The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2411 - Gavin de Becker

00:00:03.000 The Joe Rogan experience.

00:00:06.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan.

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00:00:12.000 I'm well.

00:00:12.000 How are you, sir?

00:00:13.000 Great to see you, as always.

00:00:13.000 Thank you.

00:00:14.000 Good to see you, too.

00:00:16.000 You've got a bunch of notes.

00:00:17.000 You got a lot of things to talk about.

00:00:19.000 We were starting to talk outside.

00:00:20.000 We're like, hold this, hold these thoughts.

00:00:23.000 Let's bring them in here. 0.99

00:00:24.000 Well, here's where I am.

00:00:26.000 As a criminologist, you know, I take a different approach to things.

00:00:29.000 I'm not obviously a doctor or a scientist, thankfully.

00:00:33.000 And as a criminologist, you get a view of the world that's quite interesting.

00:00:36.000 And so I took a deep dive into pharma, but I want to put that off for a second because I know you know a lot of these CIA operations, like Paperclip, where we bring over people who are working on bioweapons from Japan and from Germany, and we don't prosecute them, and we use them to be the beginning of the U.S. bioweapons program. 0.64

00:00:57.000 And I know you know MKUltra and Mockingbird, but do you know the one called Project Gladio?

00:01:04.000 No, I do not.

00:01:05.000 Put your seatbelt on, because this one just tops it all.

00:01:08.000 So this was, World War II ends, and the OSS, which was the CIA at the time, decides to leave behind, rather than take everybody home, all the American soldiers, they're going to leave behind a bunch of them.

00:01:20.000 Hey, you guys, hide your weapons, hide your rifles, secrete all the grenades and ammunition and put it in bunkers and just sit tight until we have some ideas of things you ought to do.

00:01:32.000 So eventually, a few hundred of them stay behind, and they are going to do things in Europe to stop communism, to stop socialism, to fight the Soviets, etc.

00:01:41.000 But what do they actually end up doing is terroristic incidents against our allies.

00:01:48.000 They blow up a train station in Bologna, 285 people injured, 85 people killed, done and funded and operated by our CIA. 0.59

00:01:58.000 They do the 1989 assassination of a guy who's a journalist who's writing about this.

00:02:04.000 They shoot him twice in the head.

00:02:06.000 They do another bombing, 17 people killed.

00:02:08.000 Another one, Oktoberfest in Germany, not Italy, 17 people killed.

00:02:12.000 Why?

00:02:12.000 Because they see that certain candidates are doing well and might become prime ministers, for example, or important legislators.

00:02:20.000 So when you have a big giant terrorist incident done in some train station, for example, that moves the public toward a more right-leaning government or a more totalitarian government that CIA can deal with and away from anything where communism can happen.

00:02:36.000 There's the assassination of Aldo Moro.

00:02:38.000 He was a former prime minister, five bodyguards.

00:02:41.000 They're all killed.

00:02:42.000 He's kidnapped.

00:02:43.000 A few weeks later, he's shot in the head and put in the trunk of a car.

00:02:47.000 That was done by Project Gladio.

00:02:49.000 In other words, these things were done by the United States to our supposed allies.

00:02:55.000 And hundreds of these leave-behinds operated eventually a 20,000-person army all over Europe.

00:03:02.000 Now, I don't expect anybody to believe a word of it.

00:03:04.000 You've got to go to Wikipedia and put in G-L-A-D-I-O.

00:03:07.000 It's just 1D.

00:03:08.000 And you see that this insanity is true.

00:03:12.000 The punchline on it for me, the one that really blows it out of the water, is that it ended in 1990.

00:03:20.000 Whoa.

00:03:21.000 Yeah.

00:03:22.000 And George Bush was president, and he'd been former director of CIA, of course.

00:03:27.000 And he denies it like crazy, but eventually an Italian prime minister really goes to the mat on it.

00:03:33.000 And it becomes so well established that the U.S. government funded and managed these operations, blowing up regular citizens in Europe, that a lot of the people who were imprisoned for them for those incidents, terrorists, terrorist groups, et cetera, were released on the defense that it was actually done by CIA.

00:03:56.000 I did tell you to put your seatbelt on.

00:03:59.000 Oh my God.

00:04:00.000 Is that just like an idea that starts off as a precautionary measure that just got completely out of hand because there was no oversight?

00:04:10.000 Yeah, no oversight is the key to a bunch of stuff I want to talk about today because when governments, big centralized governments and other power centers become, you know, without oversight, and where does oversight come from?

00:04:23.000 It comes from us, the public, having to be skeptical.

00:04:27.000 And if the public is not skeptical, if they'll buy a story like, oh, a terrible terrorist group assassinated this guy, Eldo Moro, how terrible, and they'll buy the story with no skepticism because that's what we're told, then there will be no oversight and power centers, it's no surprise.

00:04:44.000 You know, we could talk about every country on earth.

00:04:47.000 I'm not, you know, I happen to love America, but I'm not saying it's just America.

00:04:51.000 It's, you know, this is the nature of espionage and the nature of war.

00:04:55.000 But I want to answer your question about is it just because of no oversight?

00:04:58.000 The United States doesn't end wars very often.

00:05:01.000 For example, World War II ends and you're all excited about it and you're mounting things and you're doing all this stuff.

00:05:07.000 And then it ends.

00:05:09.000 And everybody's like, hey, but we were really into this thing.

00:05:12.000 And so we don't let them end.

00:05:14.000 We leave 300,000 troops in Germany, 300,000 troops in Japan, hundreds of thousands of troops in South Korea.

00:05:20.000 Why don't we bring these people home? 0.83

00:05:22.000 If the war is over, the war is over. 0.57

00:05:24.000 But that's not how empire works.

00:05:26.000 And so the U.S. tends to continue these wars in the versions I just described to you, which is more secret versions.

00:05:35.000 And it's dark, man.

00:05:38.000 I mean, if somebody, and maybe somebody has, but if somebody came into America and did a bunch of terrorist incidents in America that killed a lot of Americans, oh, geez, let's reflect on whether that's ever happened.

00:05:48.000 But anyway, if that happened, we'd be stressed.

00:05:51.000 And rightfully, we'd have a lot to complain about.

00:05:54.000 But it goes on, and it's kind of my theme for today is sharing these things that are all available on Wikipedia.

00:06:04.000 I'm not making them up.

00:06:05.000 They're all real.

00:06:06.000 And I looked at them from the point of view of a criminologist where I really lay out the evidence and my purpose, my reason for doing this today with you, also in a book, my reason is that I really want to encourage Americans to be skeptical because if you don't have skepticism, the government runs us.

00:06:26.000 We don't run the government.

00:06:28.000 Absolutely.

00:06:29.000 Yeah, and it's a strange time for that.

00:06:34.000 You know, because first of all, one of the things that happened was the Smith Month, right? 0.95

00:06:41.000 So when during the Obama administration, when they made it legal to use propaganda on American citizens, that blurred the lines of truth and reality for all of us forever.

00:06:57.000 And unless that is somehow or another rolled back and I don't see any effort or any desire to roll it back, we're always going to be stuck in a situation where it's absolutely legal for intelligence agencies to lie to us in the interest of national security.

00:07:13.000 Yeah.

00:07:14.000 That's where we are for sure.

00:07:15.000 There was, I know you already know about Project Mockingbird, but Project Mockingbird had hundreds of American journalists who were in some cases directly on the payroll of CIA and in other cases just had great relationships and would float ideas inside the United States.

00:07:32.000 It was shut down by the church committee, Senate committee.

00:07:38.000 But was it really shut down or did it just change its name?

00:07:41.000 Because the reality is that today, unlike in the past, all information is international.

00:07:47.000 So if you start floating information overseas that's not true, it's going to make its way to America.

00:07:52.000 And does it make sense to do this?

00:07:55.000 I remember when I was working on an investigation involving Saudi Arabia and their use of Twitter, misuse of Twitter.

00:08:02.000 Twitter ended up canceling like 5,000 of their accounts because they were fake, you know, bots.

00:08:07.000 But they were using Twitter to be able to float things so that they would become viral and become important.

00:08:16.000 What time period was this?

00:08:17.000 This is very recent.

00:08:19.000 So was it X or Twitter?

00:08:20.000 Was it one of the Twitter?

00:08:21.000 It was Twitter.

00:08:22.000 2018, 2019.

00:08:24.000 And they would get things to trend.

00:08:26.000 And how would they do it?

00:08:27.000 Well, when Twitter shut down their bots, they had 40,000 people sitting in their houses, and they would send out the message of the day, like Jeff Bezos is the evil Jew, happens not to be Jewish, Jeff Bezos is the evil Jew who's robbing us at night, et cetera, because they were in a competition with Bezos over various things.

00:08:46.000 And then it would trend.

00:08:47.000 And so when I saw that happening with Twitter, I thought to myself, well, every country should do that.

00:08:54.000 I don't mean I like it.

00:08:55.000 I just mean it's kind of obvious that if you have an opportunity to communicate with your population in a way that makes particularly young people in Saudi Arabia, they're the ones who are going to come over the castle wall one day. 0.97

00:09:09.000 If you can control their perceptions, of course, that's what every country in world history has done.

00:09:15.000 Every country has a narrative, right?

00:09:18.000 Ours was when I was growing up and you too, anybody can become president.

00:09:22.000 You know, the government works for us.

00:09:24.000 We don't work for the government and other wonderful myths.

00:09:28.000 So that was our narrative.

00:09:29.000 India's narrative is, you know, the next life matters more than this one. 0.76

00:09:36.000 In the next life, you'll have a good time.

00:09:37.000 Maybe now you're homeless.

00:09:39.000 Maybe now you're one of the seven million homeless people in Mumbai, but the next life will be better.

00:09:45.000 England's narrative, the class structure.

00:09:48.000 Just watch the king and queen, they're having such a good time, and the princes are having such a good time.

00:09:52.000 That's good enough for you, isn't it?

00:09:54.000 And so everybody has one.

00:09:55.000 And they have these stories about how they control populations, religion being, of course, the big one.

00:10:01.000 Now, government is at war with religion.

00:10:04.000 Our U.S. government is not liking the church anymore, is not liking other power centers.

00:10:10.000 During COVID, you could go to a liquor store, you could go to a Target store, big air conditioning, keeping all the virus nice and cool and moving around, but you couldn't go to church.

00:10:20.000 And even if they put the church outside, they wanted to stop the church.

00:10:24.000 Now, why would governments not like the church?

00:10:27.000 Because it's another power center.

00:10:29.000 And so each power center needs to be knocked down.

00:10:32.000 But is that why they did it?

00:10:33.000 Because they also outlawed outdoor dining.

00:10:36.000 In Los Angeles, it was outlaw comedy shows.

00:10:40.000 Yeah, I'm going to give you a pretty cynical answer.

00:10:44.000 Yes, that's why they did it in general with, I mean, if you think about it, the Constitution gives particular protections to the church, to religion, doesn't give particular protections to liquor stores or big box stores, and yet that's what happened.

00:10:59.000 But what about shows, for example?

00:11:02.000 When you have a population that cannot gather for enjoyment, you know, we're all going to the concert and we're going to watch this musical event.

00:11:12.000 And none of us are going to say, oh, that guy over there voted for Trump.

00:11:15.000 I hate him.

00:11:16.000 Oh, that guy over there voted for Biden.

00:11:18.000 That one's woke.

00:11:19.000 That one's such and such.

00:11:20.000 We just enjoy the show, right?

00:11:22.000 We go to the beach, which was prohibited, remember.

00:11:25.000 But we go to the beach, and I look over at you and your kids and your family, and you look over at mine, and we're having a good time.

00:11:30.000 Nobody's judging anybody.

00:11:31.000 We're just there to swim.

00:11:33.000 You can divide a country in the way that it happened with us during the COVID lockdowns.

00:11:39.000 That is the source of power.

00:11:41.000 Division is actually the source of power.

00:11:45.000 But do you feel like this was done on purpose?

00:11:48.000 Did you think that they were capitalizing on the event of COVID or that they knew that a situation like this is an excellent opportunity for them to divide people further?

00:11:59.000 Or was it just the fact that they had to act at least they had to at least give the guise of public safety?

00:12:08.000 It had to at least be performative in that they were doing something, the optics that they were protecting people from the spread of this disease.

00:12:17.000 Well, my best way to assess things is rather than ever try to figure out what's in somebody's head, I just look at what actually happened.

00:12:27.000 And what actually happened is that every Western nation on earth put all its citizens under house arrest.

00:12:34.000 Every nation on earth did what no opposing enemy could ever do to the United States.

00:12:39.000 We just had everybody staying indoors, not gathering, hundreds of thousands of businesses closed, people unable to do what they wanted to do, and not free.

00:12:51.000 So I don't think there's any argument that during the COVID lockdowns, I'm not talking about the COVID disease.

00:12:57.000 The COVID disease is this big.

00:12:58.000 The lockdowns is this big.

00:13:00.000 The lockdowns is as big an event as all the world wars put together.

00:13:05.000 The lockdowns caused a complete lesson in government control, that the governments of the world, remember it wasn't just ours, it was almost every country, could do whatever they wanted.

00:13:17.000 So do I believe it was intentional?

00:13:20.000 Well, I don't have to back up to whether the release of the COVID virus was intentional.

00:13:25.000 I just don't know.

00:13:26.000 But the plans related to what would happen was clearly intentional.

00:13:32.000 You know, your viewers can look at, and listeners can look at Operation, I mean at 201, Event 201 online.

00:13:41.000 I don't know if you've ever seen it on YouTube.

00:13:43.000 It's a video of an event that Gates put on with the CIA, with the Chinese head of the CDC, the Chinese CDC, with military leaders, with people from CBS.

00:13:54.000 And they gathered together and they talked about what would happen in the event that there was a pandemic.

00:13:59.000 And they named the pandemic and they did tabletop exercises about the pandemic.

00:14:04.000 Any discussion about health?

00:14:06.000 All of it was discussion about controlling the information.

00:14:06.000 None.

00:14:09.000 Why is this interesting?

00:14:10.000 Because it was in 2019, my friend, before COVID came out, right?

00:14:15.000 So late in 2019, these tabletop operations had already been going on for years.

00:14:21.000 So I look at, and I really encourage people to consider this approach, which is forget about who did it.

00:14:27.000 Forget about twirling mustaches and villains.

00:14:29.000 Forget about Bill Gates and Fauci and all of that.

00:14:32.000 Just look at what actually happened.

00:14:34.000 If we just look at what actually happened, you have to assume somebody wanted that outcome.

00:14:40.000 Somebody somewhere.

00:14:41.000 It might be one person.

00:14:43.000 It might be groups.

00:14:44.000 It might be unaligned people who share incentives.

00:14:48.000 I'll give you a fast example.

00:14:50.000 COVID comes.

00:14:52.000 People who used to make perfume sprayers now make hand sanitizers.

00:14:56.000 People who used to make bumper stickers now make stickers that say stand six feet apart.

00:15:00.000 In other words, an incentive comes, and it doesn't require that those people all sat in a conspiratorial room at some hotel in Germany and rub their hands together and make the plan.

00:15:13.000 Human nature, particularly when you centralize big governments, this is the direction it moves in, which is it moves in the direction of tyranny.

00:15:24.000 When I was here before a few years ago, I made this point that's only been cemented in the interim, which is that if you look at world history as a big pie chart, all of it is tyranny.

00:15:35.000 And it's just a tiny little sliver of the lives we've been blessed to live up until 2020.

00:15:41.000 Meaning a tiny sliver of freedom, Western Europe, the United States, and all the rest is tyranny, which means tyranny is the natural order for human beings.

00:15:52.000 That's the way it normally is run.

00:15:54.000 You could easily argue that with history, right?

00:15:57.000 Of course.

00:15:58.000 And, you know, what you see is, look, any suffering that I've done in the last few years personally has been because of my resistance to let go of the illusions and delusions that I grew up with.

00:16:12.000 You know, the courts will be fair.

00:16:14.000 The government will respect our freedom no matter what.

00:16:16.000 The Constitution will be followed no matter what.

00:16:20.000 It's hard to let go of that stuff.

00:16:22.000 It's not easy.

00:16:23.000 And I still have resistance to it.

00:16:26.000 That's why I look at Gladio, which I just told you about, and I say, holy shit, can you believe this?

00:16:31.000 Well, we have to be able to believe all of it.

00:16:35.000 Yeah, it's just, there's so many layers to it.

00:16:38.000 It's very difficult for regular people.

00:16:41.000 What is a regular person?

00:16:42.000 A regular person is a person who has a job and interests in family and hasn't spent an inordinate amount of time delving into conspiracies and being rational about it and being objective and saying, I know that every fiber of my being rejects this as foolishness and tinfoil hat bullshit.

00:17:01.000 But is this real?

00:17:02.000 And then the more you find out, oh my God, that is real.

00:17:05.000 The more you find out, Operation Northwoods, holy fuck, that's real.

00:17:08.000 The more you find out about these things, MK Ultra, you go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

00:17:13.000 Nobody got arrested for any of this.

00:17:14.000 Nobody went to jail.

00:17:15.000 Nobody got prosecuted.

00:17:16.000 Nobody got tried.

00:17:18.000 The more you dig into the JFK assassination, the more you dig into everything.

00:17:21.000 And it is a bottomless pit that if you haven't breached the surface of it, you have no idea how much depth there is to it.

00:17:31.000 And that's the normal person.

00:17:33.000 Most people, you know, most people took the shot because they wanted to keep their job.

00:17:37.000 Or they took the shot because they have to travel to see relatives or they had to visit loved ones in the hospital or whatever the reason was.

00:17:44.000 They did what they had to do.

00:17:46.000 And they know people that got fucked up because of the shot.

00:17:49.000 Maybe they got fucked up because of the shot.

00:17:51.000 And they feel helpless and they don't know what to do.

00:17:53.000 But I don't think they understand the depths of, first of all, not just the COVID pandemic, but what happened during the AIDS pandemic with the exact same power structure.

00:18:06.000 And when you find that out, I mean, we went over Peter Duisburg's work the other day.

00:18:11.000 Oh, I'm so glad.

00:18:12.000 Yeah, and we showed the article in Spin Magazine that was talking about these various doctors that stepped out against the use of AZT and like what was going on and how evil it was.

00:18:27.000 And the only reason why they were doing it was because these are drugs that had already been approved and they could just push them through quickly.

00:18:33.000 And they were very profitable.

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00:20:05.000 I think there's a darker reason.

00:20:07.000 And the darker reason for overdosing on AZT is that it provides exactly the symptoms of AIDS that you're going to die from.

00:20:16.000 And so it keeps the, you know, the great documentary that's on YouTube is called House of Numbers about this.

00:20:21.000 It keeps the numbers going.

00:20:23.000 You can turn the numbers up or down just by changing the definition of what is AIDS.

00:20:27.000 Fauci had his definition, but in that documentary, it's Fauci and Redfield.

00:20:31.000 They're all young.

00:20:32.000 It's one of their first rounds in this world.

00:20:35.000 And they're making the case that HIV is the absolute cause of AIDS, even though literally the guy who got the Nobel Prize for concluding that feels that you can have AIDS without HIV and you can have HIV without AIDS.

00:20:47.000 I've raised 10 kids.

00:20:49.000 I have two teenage kids.

00:20:50.000 One of my older boys, boys, but 31 years old now, tested positive for HIV.

00:20:57.000 Right away come the drugs.

00:21:00.000 And he and I met about it.

00:21:02.000 We watched this documentary called House of Numbers.

00:21:05.000 And he decided no medication.

00:21:06.000 He's really healthy.

00:21:08.000 He's in the sun a lot.

00:21:09.000 He's having a calm and wonderful life.

00:21:11.000 He lives in Fiji, so he's out in the tropics a lot.

00:21:15.000 And when he took the medication for three weeks, he felt really shitty.

00:21:19.000 It wasn't AZT, it's the newer cocktail.

00:21:21.000 But he felt really shitty.

00:21:22.000 When he stopped, he feels great.

00:21:25.000 And we'll see how things go.

00:21:26.000 But the idea that they were trying to push was, if you test positive for HIV, they say it point blank, you will die from this disease, and there's nothing that can stop it except these drugs.

00:21:37.000 And that turns out not to be true.

00:21:39.000 Well, there's a lot of things they said that turned out not to be true.

00:21:42.000 They thought that your children would get it, people in the household would get it, that it was spread, it could be spread aerosol.

00:21:49.000 You know, there was a Duisberg thing is fascinating because this all took place in a time with no internet, no pushback, no conspiracy theorists online to connect the dots.

00:22:02.000 And his assertion was, first of all, there was the inconvenient fact that the vast majority of the people that got air quotes AIDS all were hardcore drug users.

00:22:13.000 There were these partiers in the gay community.

00:22:16.000 And anybody that knows anything about drug abuse knows that if you're a hardcore drug user and you're staying up all night and you're partying, guess what?

00:22:24.000 You're going to crush your immune system.

00:22:25.000 And you know, they were taking antibiotics, which were at the parties in big bowls.

00:22:29.000 Antibiotics.

00:22:30.000 Yeah, because they had all this was a tremendous amount of sex.

00:22:33.000 It was almost a statement of freedom in the gay rights movement.

00:22:37.000 And people had all kinds of infections.

00:22:39.000 So they were scooping up antibiotics and taking antibiotics.

00:22:43.000 And of course, AIDS is real.

00:22:44.000 They destroyed their immune system, no question about it.

00:22:47.000 And Poppers and Duisberg.

00:22:50.000 Poppers is the big one, right?

00:22:51.000 In L Nitrate.

00:22:52.000 Well, Poppers certainly causes the specific respiratory issue that was associated with AIDS.

00:22:57.000 And they kept changing, you know, the NIH and CDC kept changing the definition along the way.

00:23:03.000 And there's a great line in the Real Anthony Fauci, a book I know you read, where Bobby says, if you get diagnosed with AIDS in Africa, the fastest way to get cured is go to New York.

00:23:14.000 You won't be diagnosed with AIDS.

00:23:16.000 Totally different diagnostic method.

00:23:18.000 In Africa, it's mostly women. 1.00

00:23:20.000 In the United States, it's mostly men.

00:23:22.000 And the diagnostic method in Africa includes asking you on a questionnaire whether you've engaged in gay sex. 0.69

00:23:30.000 What does that have to do with an AIDS test?

00:23:32.000 I took an AIDS test when I was younger and thought, well, this is a test, like a pregnancy test, right?

00:23:37.000 You test positive, that means you're positive.

00:23:39.000 Negative means negative.

00:23:40.000 That wasn't the truth.

00:23:41.000 It was a highly interpretive test.

00:23:43.000 And by the way, this documentary I've mentioned a couple of times called House of Numbers.

00:23:48.000 For its humorous value, I have to also add that anybody who looks for it on YouTube, be sure you have the one that is the correct one because the adversaries have put up another documentary entitled it House of Numbers.

00:24:01.000 They did the same thing with Turtles All the Way Down. 0.61

00:24:02.000 Yeah, it's very clever.

00:24:04.000 And then that one debunks the, you know, that one debunks the other one.

00:24:07.000 So it's House of Numbers by a great filmmaker named Brent Luang, L-U-E-N-G.

00:24:14.000 And it's just a totally enjoyable, enjoyable, is not the right word, but informative documentary on another one of these sacred cows that we are not allowed to question.

00:24:25.000 Well, the Duisburg one was the first time that I ever had someone on as a podcast guest where I got massive pushback.

00:24:31.000 People are like, there's blood on your hands.

00:24:33.000 First of all, who's dying of AIDS in 2015, right?

00:24:36.000 Or whatever year it was that I had him on.

00:24:38.000 But his assertion was that HIV was a weak disease, that it was a weak virus that was only showing up in the systems of people that were already compromised.

00:24:49.000 It was not the cause of it.

00:24:50.000 It was a symptom of a compromised immune system.

00:24:53.000 Very poor people in Africa, people with no effective sewage, et cetera.

00:24:57.000 And it was another of many, many movements that has the side effect of reducing population, meaning use condoms, don't have sex, sex is scary, sex is death.

00:25:10.000 A lot of these things focus on and have the ultimate result of population reduction, which I'm going to come back to, but I want to say something about Duisberg because it's so funny.

00:25:22.000 In House of Numbers, when he's interviewed, he says, my peers are prostitutes. 0.54

00:25:29.000 And he says, I am a prostitute as well to some degree.

00:25:32.000 He's talking about trying to get funding.

00:25:34.000 He says, but they go all the way.

00:25:36.000 It's just a funny line.

00:25:37.000 He's a lovely man.

00:25:39.000 It's doing fine now.

00:25:40.000 I talked to somebody recently who takes care of him.

00:25:42.000 His son takes care of him.

00:25:43.000 I was reaching out to see if he needed anything because I would take care of this guy for the rest of his life.

00:25:47.000 He was a real hero.

00:25:49.000 And they buried him in the basement.

00:25:50.000 I mean, I don't mean buried him dead.

00:25:51.000 I mean, they stuck him in the basement at Berkeley.

00:25:54.000 And he never got another grant, needless to say, in all those years, even though he was headed for a Nobel Prize.

00:26:01.000 He was a great thinker.

00:26:02.000 So I didn't ever see the show.

00:26:04.000 You did it.

00:26:04.000 You did it in 2015?

00:26:05.000 It was probably even earlier than that.

00:26:07.000 What year was that, Jamie?

00:26:10.000 It might have been 13 or 14.

00:26:12.000 I don't remember, but I remember massive pushback.

00:26:15.000 Like, people were very upset.

00:26:17.000 Well, you got balls, but I guess you knew that from some other shows.

00:26:21.000 Because doing it at that time, the insult that goes with that one is AIDS denier.

00:26:27.000 No, no, no.

00:26:28.000 We're CAIDS.

00:26:29.000 We're not talking about that.

00:26:30.000 We're talking about whether HIV is always the cause of AIDS.

00:26:34.000 But there were so many facts that people were ignoring.

00:26:37.000 This is what was, like for me, when I see a dilemma, I see a situation, and I see inconvenient facts that people were ignoring.

00:26:48.000 One of them being that AZT kills people and that it was a chemotherapy medication that they had to stop using because it was killing people quicker than the cancer was killing people.

00:26:58.000 And that chemotherapy is always a very short-term use.

00:27:04.000 It's for short-term use.

00:27:05.000 It's like when you have cancer, you take chemotherapy, it kills the cancer, and it almost kills you, and then you recover from it, and hopefully the cancer is gone.

00:27:15.000 This was the only chemotherapy that you were being told to stay on.

00:27:19.000 For life.

00:27:20.000 That had never been.

00:27:22.000 And so it was one AZT killed people for sure.

00:27:25.000 They were using AZT for AIDS.

00:27:28.000 We're dying from AIDS or AZT, whatever.

00:27:31.000 They were dying more.

00:27:33.000 And they stopped using it, and people stopped dying of AIDS.

00:27:37.000 Because that's kind of how it went.

00:27:38.000 Because they'll try to tell you that, oh, no, it's the new medications have stopped the spread of HIV.

00:27:44.000 But why did it never make its way to the heterosexual community?

00:27:47.000 If it's really a sexually transmitted disease that's so unbelievably contagious that it just spread through the gay community like wildfire. 0.97

00:27:56.000 There's a lot of people that had gay sex and straight sex.

00:27:59.000 Well, how come it never really had any meaningful transition to the heterosexual community?

00:28:04.000 There's a lot of weird shit.

00:28:06.000 Why do people that were totally asymptomatic, like Arthur Ashe, gets on AZT and he's dead in six months? 0.91

00:28:13.000 Like, what is it possible that AZT killed those people and that Peter Duisberg is right?

00:28:20.000 This was my thought.

00:28:21.000 And I'm like, let me hear this guy out.

00:28:23.000 Let me talk to him with a skeptical but objective mindset and see where this guy's at.

00:28:30.000 And then you find out he's a tenured professor at University of California, Berkeley, done groundbreaking research on cancer.

00:28:36.000 He's a brilliant guy.

00:28:38.000 And everything he's saying totally, completely made sense.

00:28:41.000 And I was like, this is so strange.

00:28:42.000 And then I realized, oh, this all happened before the internet.

00:28:46.000 This all happened before he could sit on a podcast and talk about it.

00:28:50.000 This all happened before people could tweet about it.

00:28:52.000 This all happened before someone could make a documentary and release it on YouTube.

00:28:56.000 Yeah, it's very true.

00:28:57.000 By the way, another Duisberg story is that there's a couple that adopted a baby in Romania.

00:29:04.000 They're covered in this documentary, House of Numbers.

00:29:07.000 And they adopt the baby.

00:29:08.000 It's tested for AIDS in Romania, tested for HIV, and negative.

00:29:12.000 It gets to America. 0.80

00:29:13.000 They do another test.

00:29:14.000 Uh-oh, the baby is HIV positive.

00:29:18.000 Are these PCR tests?

00:29:19.000 Yeah, they're PCR tests.

00:29:21.000 And this is what Kerry Mullis was very adamant about, that this is not the use of the proper use of PCR, and that Fauci did not know what he was doing when he was doing that.

00:29:30.000 We played that video as well.

00:29:31.000 Yeah, there's great Kerry Mullis stuff.

00:29:33.000 I wish he was alive.

00:29:34.000 He died right before COVID, unfortunately.

00:29:37.000 But anyway, so they adopt this kid, and the kid is HIV positive, little girl.

00:29:41.000 And the doctors say, well, oh, baby, you got to put this kid on AZT in a hurry.

00:29:46.000 So they put the kid on AZT.

00:29:48.000 Now you see videos, home movies, where the kid can't stand up, is falling, loses weight.

00:29:54.000 And when they go to the doctors, they say, well, it's AIDS, you know, we're doing our best.

00:29:59.000 She's actually doing pretty well.

00:30:00.000 The medicine is keeping her alive, so just keep going.

00:30:04.000 So they keep going.

00:30:05.000 She gets worse and worse and worse.

00:30:07.000 And eventually, they write a letter to a guy they've heard about named Peter Duisberg.

00:30:11.000 And to his credit, man, he was brave.

00:30:14.000 He writes back, you know, in writing in a way most people wouldn't, take her off that medication immediately.

00:30:20.000 So they do.

00:30:20.000 They take her off the medication.

00:30:22.000 The doctors say she's going to be dead by the time she's five.

00:30:26.000 Then they say, you know, maybe she'll live to be seven.

00:30:28.000 Then they say if she lives to be 11, it'll be a miracle.

00:30:31.000 In the meantime, she's getting better and better and better.

00:30:33.000 In the movie, cut to 23 years old, pregnant, having her own daughter. 0.55

00:30:39.000 Jesus Christ.

00:30:40.000 Yeah.

00:30:41.000 And there's other people.

00:30:42.000 It's like, they had to know this.

00:30:45.000 Oh, but, you know, this is true with COVID as well.

00:30:50.000 You can be generous and say people didn't know things early on, but it is not possible to now look back, for example, at COVID and the COVID vaccine and say they don't know it now, right?

00:31:05.000 In other words, at this point, it's not possible for Albert Borla to say, oh, we had no idea about that.

00:31:11.000 Myocarditis that would cause sudden death in kids, athletic boys go to sleep at night and they're found dead in their bed in the morning.

00:31:21.000 Not one, not two, but many.

00:31:23.000 And right in the beginning of COVID, two different states with two different coroners did two different reports that both said these kids who were found in their bed dead in the morning, 16 years old, both of them, two days apart, died from vaccine-induced myocarditis.

00:31:43.000 Now, clearly, that should have been the biggest news story in the world.

00:31:48.000 We were all taking it, right?

00:31:49.000 COVID happened before the internet.

00:31:51.000 Yeah, well, things did happen before the internet.

00:31:54.000 But imagine if that one happened, you know?

00:31:56.000 Yeah, well, you know, in a way, Joe, you could look at swine flu in 1976 and also again in 2009, which were before the internet, and they actually did worse in a way.

00:32:07.000 What the internet did is favorably allowed engagements like we're having today and all the stuff you've done, but it also allowed governments to have a control mechanism.

00:32:18.000 I was looking for my iPhone, you know, right into our iPhones.

00:32:21.000 And so what was happening is they were getting, are, not were, getting better and better and better at controlling human perception.

00:32:30.000 And I think it's true that the Internet is a great gift on the one hand, but it's also, look, there's no way they're going to leave the Internet untouched and not also utilize it in this basically information war that's going on.

00:32:46.000 So the Internet has helped show some people the truth, but it's also been used to stop a lot of other people from seeing the truth.

00:32:55.000 I'm sure, but at least there's an avenue where people can learn the truth that didn't exist before.

00:33:01.000 The Duesburg thing, the only way I found out about it was an article in Spin magazine.

00:33:05.000 And I had some conspiratorially minded pothead friends.

00:33:08.000 They're like, dudes, AIDS isn't real.

00:33:10.000 I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

00:33:12.000 Of course AIDS is real.

00:33:14.000 And then I started reading books and I was like, wait a minute, this can't be real.

00:33:17.000 This can't be true.

00:33:18.000 And having him on was just absolutely fascinating.

00:33:21.000 But the blowback from all the people that were absolutely convinced that there's no way all of these other doctors could be in agreement and be incorrect.

00:33:30.000 And that gave me pause because I was like, yeah, that makes sense.

00:33:33.000 Why would all these doctors be in agreement and be incorrect about this?

00:33:37.000 Why would they all be promoting this false narrative?

00:33:40.000 I had no concept of how the NIH and how Fauci and how they ran things and how if you deviated from the narrative whatsoever, you got no grants, you got no funding.

00:33:56.000 You lose your license.

00:33:57.000 You lose your license.

00:33:58.000 And obviously we saw in 2020, people kicked off Twitter, like esteemed scientists, professors, people that taught at major universities, removed from the conversation because they were speaking what Al Gore would call an inconvenient truth.

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00:35:37.000 That's correct.

00:35:39.000 And there's a documentary right now called, by the way, An Inconvenient Study.

00:35:44.000 See that as quick as you can.

00:35:46.000 It's free on YouTube because some sponsors just paid for it.

00:35:51.000 But that is about a study done by the Ford Medical Center, Henry Ford Medical Center, comparing vaccinated kids to unvaccinated kids.

00:36:00.000 It's a very, very interesting documentary.

00:36:03.000 And where after the study is done, they decide not to release it.

00:36:09.000 Yeah, I read about that.

00:36:10.000 Yeah, it's really good.

00:36:11.000 I don't want to spoil anything, but just tell you some good stuff is a hidden camera interview with the guy who says, I just can't.

00:36:19.000 I just can't.

00:36:20.000 My career would be over.

00:36:21.000 I'm just not going to do it.

00:36:22.000 I'm not going to do it.

00:36:23.000 Well, people try to persuade him to release the study that would.

00:36:26.000 Yes, it would help a lot of people.

00:36:27.000 I agree it would help a lot of people.

00:36:28.000 And I agree it's important.

00:36:29.000 But I can't.

00:36:30.000 I've had enough.

00:36:30.000 I can't.

00:36:31.000 I can't.

00:36:32.000 And he doesn't.

00:36:33.000 And it's, so this, you know, this kind of thing, you got the stomach for another one?

00:36:39.000 Sure.

00:36:39.000 I'll give you a big one.

00:36:40.000 So, because you mentioned AIDS.

00:36:41.000 AIDS is like gravity. 0.99

00:36:43.000 You're not allowed to question it.

00:36:44.000 It's, you know, it's a.

00:36:45.000 It's a Holocaust. 0.94

00:36:46.000 Yeah.

00:36:46.000 Holocaust, gravity, moon landing.

00:36:49.000 Hitler, by the way, killed.

00:36:51.000 Was he killed by the Russians?

00:36:52.000 Well, it turns out the skull fragment belonged to a woman in her 30s.

00:36:56.000 Isn't it a narrative?

00:36:58.000 Meaning, this is the only guy who didn't have an escape plan.

00:37:01.000 Everybody else went to Argentina.

00:37:02.000 They even took whole submarines all the way to Argentina on two-month trips that were found weeks after the war.

00:37:09.000 They were still finding submarines in Argentina.

00:37:11.000 But this one guy, even though there's a pilot who testified that he flew him out of Germany, flew him out of Berlin.

00:37:18.000 Why would anybody lie about that?

00:37:20.000 Well, because the Russians are coming into Berlin, and you've hardly conquered anything if the Osama bin Laden hasn't been caught, if Hitler is free and is somewhere in the world. 0.88

00:37:30.000 But that narrative is really interesting for people to dig into.

00:37:34.000 Get on Grok or get on ChatGPT.

00:37:36.000 You know, quick note on ChatGPT and Grok.

00:37:39.000 The first answer you get will usually be the orthodox answer, the approved answer.

00:37:44.000 You have to keep asking.

00:37:46.000 You have to say, look again, you have to push the thing.

00:37:49.000 And then you'll get remarkable information that way.

00:37:52.000 You still have to check it all because the thing has delusions, you know, as we know.

00:37:56.000 But my point is that all these things that we're not allowed to question because they are just facts like gravity.

00:38:04.000 Well, a big one is vaccines cannot be linked to autism.

00:38:09.000 We all know that.

00:38:10.000 That's like we know it, just like we know gravity, just like we know the earth rotates around the sun.

00:38:15.000 How do we know it?

00:38:16.000 Now, suddenly, when you say, who debunked it and how was it debunked, all of a sudden, nobody can answer your question.

00:38:22.000 Not a single pediatrician you'll ever meet can answer that question.

00:38:25.000 So I'm going to answer it today.

00:38:27.000 How do we know?

00:38:28.000 Who debunked it?

00:38:29.000 It was debunked by the Institute of Medicine.

00:38:32.000 And how they debunked it, I'll talk about in a minute because it's funny.

00:38:36.000 But what is the Institute of Medicine?

00:38:38.000 Well, everybody knows that's a big, important, revered organization all about science, part of the National Academies of Science, government organization.

00:38:46.000 Guess what?

00:38:47.000 Private organization, not a government organization.

00:38:50.000 The Institute of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences, both completely private organizations, sometimes funded by government and sometimes funded by pharma.

00:38:59.000 And so they debunked it, and the way they debunked it is by having the same way they used for Agent Orange.

00:39:07.000 So why I want to talk about Agent Orange for a second?

00:39:10.000 Is the long answer okay?

00:39:11.000 Sure.

00:39:12.000 Okay, if I can even remember the question.

00:39:14.000 But here's the Agent Orange piece.

00:39:17.000 It's good for people to hear because they're not emotional about it, right?

00:39:20.000 They're emotional about AIDS.

00:39:22.000 They're very emotional about vaccines and COVID and what have you.

00:39:25.000 But Agent Orange people have pretty much forgotten about.

00:39:28.000 What happens is Agent Orange is used to defoliate forests and jungles in Vietnam.

00:39:35.000 But it's actually a chemical weapon.

00:39:37.000 The U.S. government denies that it's a chemical weapon, but they know that they tested it.

00:39:42.000 It has dioxin in it, and they tested it on 40 unlucky monkeys.

00:39:47.000 Now, these monkeys in these medical tests are always unlucky.

00:39:50.000 They very rarely come out feeling fine.

00:39:53.000 Of these 40, 37 died within a week.

00:39:56.000 So the U.S. government knew they had something here that was quite toxic, but they spray it all over Vietnam. 0.54

00:40:01.000 And our troops get very, very sick.

00:40:04.000 They have children with deformities.

00:40:07.000 They come and they complain to the U.S. government.

00:40:10.000 And the U.S. government takes that monkey study, stamps it top secret, and hides it all the way till 2000 something.

00:40:18.000 When they go to the Institute of Medicine and they say, study this thing.

00:40:24.000 So the Institute of Medicine, I'm just going to look at my notes because I want to get it right.

00:40:27.000 The Institute of Medicine does a study, and the conclusion of their 2001 study, very powerful conclusion, more studies needed.

00:40:37.000 That's what they conclude for all these people who are waiting for compensation and waiting to have the answers.

00:40:42.000 To be sure, with that bullshit answer, more studies needed, they do another study in 2006, and then one in 2008, and one in 2010, and one in 2012, and one in 2014, and they all come up with the same conclusion: more studies needed.

00:41:00.000 And this is one of the methods used by the U.S. government to drag things out to where the people who are making the complaint about Gulf War syndrome, also debunked by the Institute of Medicine or Agent Orange, have died or given up.

00:41:17.000 And there's a bunch of examples of this.

00:41:18.000 And so it took the Institute of Medicine 22 years to debunk this thing.

00:41:23.000 And finally, the very famous Admiral Zumwalt did an independent study.

00:41:29.000 And he goes and testifies before Congress.

00:41:32.000 And I'm going to read it.

00:41:32.000 He says, government and industry officials intentionally manipulated or withheld compelling information about the adverse health effects from Agent Orange.

00:41:42.000 And why was his testimony so important?

00:41:44.000 Because he is the person who ordered the use of Agent Orange and because his own son died from it.

00:41:51.000 Jesus.

00:41:52.000 So you look at that and then you say, if people listening to me and you now can embrace the idea that, hey, maybe the government does that sometimes, if you can just take that on board, then maybe you can recognize that when the Institute of Medicine does the same thing with the same methods for the same money, paid by the same people with the same experts for the same reasons, then maybe you can say, what about the other stuff they did,

00:42:20.000 like vaccines and autism, which is really vaccines and brain damage, which we know vaccines cause.

00:42:26.000 It's on every package insert for many, many vaccines, meaning they already acknowledge brain damage.

00:42:33.000 The issue is autism, which is a clever definition, very complicated.

00:42:38.000 12,000 words on the Wikipedia article on autism just to define it, and they fail, 400 citations, and they end by saying, oh, we can't get it.

00:42:47.000 So it's one of these things that you can't hit with an arrow because the definition is so obtuse.

00:42:53.000 But anyway, Institute of Medicine, they did the same thing for cancer from baby powder, which is a great story I want to tell you.

00:43:00.000 Gulf War syndrome, silicone implants, anthrax vaccines, burn pits, and SIDS, all debunked.

00:43:07.000 Now, what do they have in common?

00:43:09.000 The government didn't like it.

00:43:10.000 They were going to have to pay compensation.

00:43:12.000 I mean, some of this is funny.

00:43:15.000 SIDS.

00:43:16.000 How do they debunk SIDS?

00:43:17.000 SIDS is the term, the category that you assign when a baby's death cannot be determined what it is.

00:43:27.000 You've done an autopsy, you've done an investigation, you've dragged the poor parents to the police station, you've done all that stuff, and you cannot decide how this baby died.

00:43:37.000 So the Institute of Medicine could look at SIDS, which is a category of death.

00:43:41.000 You can't be diagnosed with it, you can't die from it.

00:43:43.000 It's a category.

00:43:44.000 And they said, we don't know what causes SIDS, but we sure know what doesn't cause it.

00:43:49.000 Multiple vaccines.

00:43:50.000 That we're sure of.

00:43:52.000 And this is the style of bullshit that goes on.

00:43:55.000 There's a correlation in terms of multiple vaccines and the amount of time period afterwards where a baby dies of sudden infant death syndrome.

00:44:03.000 Oh, I have no doubt that sudden infant death syndrome is often caused by multiple vaccines.

00:44:09.000 I have no doubt about it.

00:44:10.000 And that's for another show.

00:44:13.000 And a lot of it, this book I wrote, a lot of it's in here.

00:44:15.000 Like they really, you know, I really get into explaining that fact.

00:44:19.000 But the broader point is you don't have to prove SIDS.

00:44:25.000 And you don't have to say COVID vaccines are a problem or vaccines might cause, you know, the mercury in vaccines or other vaccines might cause brain damage.

00:44:35.000 Because once you break the system that they use for this debunking, once you get into understanding how this works, can I tell you baby powder real quick?

00:44:43.000 Yeah, I know about baby powder.

00:44:44.000 Okay, so Johnson ⁇ Johnson baby powder, they go to the FDA and they say, we have to tell you something we're a little concerned about.

00:44:52.000 We have found some cancer-causing asbestos in our baby powder, and we're acknowledging it and we want to know what to do.

00:44:57.000 And the FDA says, well, we're going to study how much cancer-causing asbestos is okay in baby powder.

00:45:03.000 So they study that for 44 years.

00:45:08.000 And they never considered maybe zero.

00:45:10.000 I mean, I had babies.

00:45:11.000 I'd like zero cancer-causing asbestos in the baby powder.

00:45:14.000 They never thought about zero.

00:45:15.000 But they study it for 44 years because time flies when you're covering up something.

00:45:21.000 And the FDA finally ruled on it in the year of 2024, about 10 months ago, after 52 years.

00:45:31.000 They knew it for 52, I want to say effing, but I won't swear, 52 years.

00:45:37.000 And Johnson ⁇ Johnson, by the way, still claims our baby powder doesn't cause cancer, which is the worst advertising slogan in the history of the world.

00:45:47.000 So the problem was in the places where they're mining talc, talc and asbestos are often together.

00:45:57.000 That was the problem, correct?

00:45:58.000 Yeah, but they were able to solve the problem now because there's still Johnson ⁇ Johnson baby powder. It's just not made with talc. And they knew this 52 years ago. And companies like Johnson ⁇ Johnson. Can I stop you? What is the baby powder having it now? I think it's cornstarch and might be other stuff. I don't know. But, you know, Gulf War syndrome done the same way. That was depleted uranium, correct? Gulf War syndrome? Yes.

00:46:24.000 It could be a few things. There was also an ingredient in a vaccine given called squalene, which is in childhood vaccines today. It comes from shark's liver, which is what you ought to be wanting to inject into babies whenever you can. And, You know, in a minute, I'm going to get into something really funny.

00:46:45.000 But I want to say that when a child dies and vaccines are even a suspect, when it's possible, the powers that be say, look, millions of vaccines were given and those people are all okay.

00:46:59.000 As if they did some house-to-house survey, which of course they didn't do.

00:47:03.000 But that's not how we handle air crashes.

00:47:05.000 We don't say, oh, millions of passengers are fine, Don't worry about those 400 who are dead in that plane crash.

00:47:10.000 What do we do?

00:47:11.000 We get the black boxes, We reassemble the plane, We reconstruct what happened, and they're extensively studied.

00:47:19.000 If we used for plane crashes, my point is, the millions don't matter, The few matter, meaning the ones who suffer, that's where you want to be doing your research, not the millions who didn't have any problem.

00:47:31.000 And imagine that we took the same approach that pharma takes when we have a jetliner crash.

00:47:39.000 Pharma would say, let's say, a flight from New York to London.

00:47:43.000 Goes down in the Atlantic 20 minutes before reaching Heathrow Airport, right? Pharma would say the flight was 95% effective. Or they would say, hey, at least you're better off. We got those passengers closer to London. In other words, they literally put death out of the equation and focus just on this, the numbers. And I don't care about the numbers. I care about the people who are harmed,

00:48:09.000 the individuals who are harmed. Can I stop you there? Yeah. But what they generally do is they will say it saves more lives than it costs, and that what happens is on a few very rare cases, very rare individuals,

00:48:24.000 there's some sort of a reaction and those people die from that medication. But this is normal for any kind of medication that is mass prescribed. This is what they would use as an argument. And they would say that far more people like COVID vaccine were helped or measles,

00:48:41.000 bumps, and rubellia, whatever it is. We're helped by that than were hurt. Yeah. So if you're really going to assess a product, like no parent would let a stranger walk up to their baby on the street and inject them with something they don't know what's in it,

00:48:55.000 right? And yet millions of parents do that every year in America by going to Long's or to Walgreens and getting a vaccine. They don't know what's in it. And they don't know about that 23-year-old pharmacist assistant who's measuring it out and giving it to you. And they don't ask questions like,

00:49:12.000 did your baby have an adverse reaction to this a week ago or what have you. But I want to go right to your question, which is the assessment that we would have to do for anything, forget vaccines, for any kind of drug, is what's the likelihood of getting, in the case of vaccines, you have to say what's the likelihood of getting the disease? What's the likelihood of having a terrible consequence from the disease? And does the vaccine work? And does the vaccine have any harm for anybody, right? Well,

00:49:38.000 I just want to talk about a couple of these. Tetanus vaccine. In the United States, the number of people who died from tetanus in a decade is 13. 13 human beings, all old, by the way. The number of people who got tetanus in a decade, 154. My point on tetanus is that all over the world, there's a map in this book, all over the world, the tetanus, how do you get tetanus? First of all, it's not transmissible,

00:50:07.000 as you may know. Everybody thinks you get it from a deep puncture wound with a rusty nail or what have you. Rust does not give you tetanus. It is a bacteria called the tetanus bacteria. And you've got to find it, first of all. And you take an army to find it in the United States, by the way. You won't find a doctor who's ever had a patient with tetanus in the United States. All over the world, it is fewer than one in a million people. In the United States, in all of Central America and South America, all 22 countries,

00:50:35.000 you can't find it. Fewer than one in 100,000 people getting tetanus. I'm not talking about death. In Russia, one death in 2022. In all of Europe, a few deaths. But in the Congo, a lot. So this is one of those things that you have to ask what's the likelihood of risk. And you have to say, does it work? And does it work without any side effects? Well,

00:51:00.000 here's the reality. If I get a serious injury, deep puncture wound, right, and I go to the hospital, they clean it, and I'm done right there. Cleaning it is the end of it. But let's say they failed to clean it well. They always offer you a tetanus vaccine anyway, right there. Even if you had one a year ago, there's never a circumstance where they don't try to get you to take a tetanus vaccine. So tetanus is the beautiful vaccine you can take at the time of the injury. You don't have to take it prophylactically. Five injections to little babies,

00:51:29.000 little babies. You don't have to do that. So each one of these vaccines, each one of these is a different product. And so polio, by the way, as I head down the polio rabbit hole for a second, I want to say it is another one of these sacred calves, right? Because everybody says you don't want polio coming back. But here's the reality of polio. Right from the CDC website, 99% of people who get polio never have any symptoms. I know that's crazy. The typical symptom, you had Humphreys on,

00:51:59.000 so you know some of that. The typical symptom is having cold for a week, having sniffles. Number of deaths in the world, planet Earth, 8 billion people. Number of deaths last year from polio. You want to guess? 30. Zero. Zero. Number of polio cases of the real terrible outcome,

00:52:17.000 which is paralysis, which is the only bad outcome, 500 on the planet Earth, half of whom recovered. You can recover from it on top of everything else. So you have 99% won't have any symptoms. Of the 1%, 1% of them will have poliomyelitis, which is the paralysis. And of the 500 I just told you about 564 in 2022, 97% of them were vaccine-induced poliomyelitis,

00:52:47.000 meaning they were the strain from the vaccine. Yeah, that's an inconvenient truth. That's an inconvenient truth right from the CDC website. Yeah, when you tell people that, they go, wait a minute, what are you saying? Yeah, the vaccine is giving people polio. And, you know, Alex Jones, of all people,

00:53:02.000 told us that on the podcast a long time ago that they had to stop giving it to children in the Congo because they were getting polio from the vaccine. It's the only place they were getting polio. They pulled up an AP article, and we're watching this AP article where it shows this oral administration of polio to these little children. And it turns out a bunch of them got polio from it. And it's something like,

00:53:24.000 of all the cases of polio, I believe it's 94% of cases are vaccine-induced polio. 97%. 97. Yeah. And by the way, you know, even people hearing my voice right now and yours who can go to the CDC website or who can look this up in this book,

00:53:42.000 by the way, just to find a random page here, but all the pages have, I don't know, where's the camera, all have QR codes, right? Everything I assert in this book takes you to the original source material so you can decide whether you don't have to trust me on anything. But on polio, people just won't let it in their head. And the reality of it is that it is very unlikely for your kid to get polio. And let's look at mumps, by the way. So mumps,

00:54:11.000 you'll find a CBS story online that shows that they say most mumps cases are in vaccinated children. Then you dig a little deeper, what does most mean? 94%. So now you've got a vaccine that doesn't stop mumps. I mean,

00:54:28.000 would you take any other product to say, you know, this will help you to whatever your sickness is? 94% of the time it won't, but you might be one of that lucky 6%. The point is that I think, I believe, as a parent myself, that parents have to look at each product individually and decide how likely is it my kid is going to get this thing and what are the consequences of trying it. With COVID, it's so easy. With the COVID vaccine,

00:54:55.000 your child stands zero benefit and just might die, right? And so that's the easiest equation in history. Like, I'm not willing to have an easier case of COVID for my 14-year-old. And maybe,

00:55:10.000 even though I'm admitting it's very remote, and I mean very remote, but maybe have the kid die or have the kid have myocarditis and die in five years from it. I mean, the number of athletes that drop dead in play during games,

00:55:26.000 I'm talking about high school athletes, is higher than it has ever been in the world. And they say, oh, no, it always happened. Well, I studied that in my last book, and it didn't always happen. It happened 26 times a year over 32 years. Do you know that during COVID and after the vaccination,

00:55:43.000 2021, 2022, and 2023, we didn't have a single month that was 26 cases of sudden death of a young person. And so, you know. How many were there? Well, I've got 550 just in that book, Cause Unknown. And that's just looking, they're hard to find because you only can find them in local newspapers because the national papers wouldn't report it. And, you know, there are some cases that were kind of obvious, like Justin Bieber getting, you know,

00:56:12.000 getting the paralysis on his face and his young, healthy wife getting a brain bleed. So there were some that weren't hidable, but those people didn't come out and say, oh, that was related to the vaccine, or I took the vaccine. I don't know Justin, by the way, at all, but I know people going to his concerts were required to take it, so I don't know the answer. But what we do know is that the 500 real cases, all with citations, 550, that I put in the book Cause Unknown that Ed Dowd did,

00:56:42.000 he did the statistical work on it. We have a citation for every single one of them, and it's only people under 45. And you know what people under 45 usually don't do? Drop dead. Healthy, and particularly children. Children and athletes. And so with the COVID vaccine, mRNA vaccine, when you've got the actual original developer of the technology, Robert Malone, dead set opposed to it,

00:57:10.000 when you've got Luc Montagnier, who won the Nobel Prize for discovering HIV, dead set opposed to it, spending the last few months of his life touring around unhealthy, saying, do not give this to your children. Then over here you've got these authoritative sources. And the authoritative sources tend to carry the day if people are, and I don't mean it to be too mean,

00:57:35.000 but I want people to hear it, if they're lazy. Because if you're a parent, vaccine is not a single product. It's not a brand. It's a whole bunch of different things that each have different risk profiles and each have different benefits. Take polio. There's six different polio vaccines on the market. Are they all the same? Of course not. You've got to choose,

00:57:56.000 right? Or you go to the pediatrician and the pediatrician tries to give you your MMR vaccine or the flu vaccine is a better example. Flu vaccines still had mercury in them until Bobby Kennedy. And they lied and said they took it out in 2001 of all childhood vaccines. On the same page,

00:58:14.000 it says, except for some flu vaccines. So there were six flu vaccines. And their defense was, oh, well, parents can choose if they want it with mercury or without mercury. This is like comedy. The pediatrician doesn't ask you whether you want it with mercury or without mercury. And what parent would say, oh, I'll tell you, give me the one with mercury. I'll take that one. I mean, mercury, for God's sake. I think it's important to point out about when you're talking about polio, that it's also the widespread use of DDT. Yeah. You mean, mean causes? Oh,

00:58:43.000 of course. This is a big one. And not polio, by the way. It might just be Guyane-Barret syndrome and other forms of paralysis. Even, sorry to interrupt, but even President Roosevelt probably didn't have polio. And yet he's the poster child for polio. There was no polio test. And he got it in adulthood, which is not normal for polio. He was paralyzed. That's true. And this DDT use, it didn't just give human beings polio. Was giving farm animals polio, dogs, cows, horses,

00:59:11.000 and they don't get it. They don't get polio. They don't get the polio that we get. So it's not that it crossed species. It's not what happened. It's most likely that people were getting DDT poisoned because they were spraying it everywhere back then. Yeah. And by the way, also starting in the 40s,

00:59:25.000 using mercury everywhere. The very earliest autism cases were called Kanner's syndrome because of a doctor who discovered eight patients who all had, he took care of a lot of kids and he found this new syndrome that he was seeing about their behavior. They had lost their ability to speak. They had all kinds of problems. And in almost every case,

00:59:45.000 the father was working with mercury or mercury was being used in agriculture at that time. Mercury was like this, you know, this wonder product because it's effing effective, that's for sure. It does shit. And so it was in a lot of things. So mercury is part of a lot of neurological injuries. And it's,

01:00:02.000 you know, go on ChatGPT and say, should I breathe mercury fumes? No. Should I eat it, touch it? No, no, no. Should I inject it? Pause, pause, pause. Well, in childhood vaccines. I mean, it's just ridiculous. I got a quick, quick one I want to tell you. So I'm going to get a lot of shit, obviously, for this. And what's the main criticism you and I are both going to get? I'm not a doctor. I'm not a scientist. As I mentioned, I'm a criminologist and I speak English and I read very well. And so in this book,

01:00:31.000 I put together the information that anybody can get and put all the citations there. But what parents often don't know is that this brand, vaccine, vaccine good, disease bad, there's a ruse in there. There's a marketing ruse, which is that if you don't get the vaccine, you're going to get that disease. It is absolutely impossible for your kid to get all of those diseases or be exposed to all of those diseases. And what Humphreys didn't talk about with you,

01:01:01.000 but she knows, is that all of the childhood vaccine diseases, all of them, the survival rate for a healthy American child is 100%. All of them. Yeah,

01:01:16.000 that's inconvenient, right? The measles. Well, let me do measles real quick because for 22 years, we didn't have a single measles death in the United States for 22 years. And this is really interesting math. I hope people will take this one on board. The death rate for vaccinated children with measles is zero. And the death rate for unvaccinated children,

01:01:40.000 of which there are 9 million in America, is zero. Meaning the unvaccinated and the vaccinated both have the same death rate, zero. But people have died from measles. Yes, people have died from measles. But all of these diseases,

01:01:55.000 the death rates that are the scariest are old death rates, right? First of all, measles was in dissent anyway up until as it headed into the 80s. It was already going from up here to down here on the graph. Why is that? Indoor plumbing, better nutrition. The same thing that helped with almost every disease here in Texas. Texas announces second death. But this is 2024. And what I said was in the 22 years before that,

01:02:25.000 there had not been a death. So what's causing these kids to die? Well, I don't know if you've had Pierre Corey on or other people. And this would be a medical question about whether these kids actually died of measles or died of poor medical care. They died with measles. Yeah, died with measles, et cetera. By the way, other comorbidities? Well, they had bad treatment. It's a question for somebody like Pierre Corey. I'm going to back away from the question. By the way, let's own it. Let's say, oh, they died of measles. If that's true,

01:02:55.000 then in 24 years, two kids died of measles. Do you know what the death rate is for kids from tetanus, for example? The risk is that one in every 154 million Americans, children,

01:03:09.000 will die from tetanus. And if you want to make those odds better with a vaccine, more power to you. But one in 154 million is pretty damn good. Again, it's very important what you said, that it can be taken. The vaccine can be taken once you have contracted tetanus. Well, no, once you've got the injury. You don't have to wait. If you've got the injury, but you know, there's a ruse here, which is that deep puncture wounds does not mean tetanus. Right. You've got to search for it. And as you'll see in this book,

01:03:38.000 the chart that shows the prevalence of tetanus in the world is an interesting one. But I want to just quickly talk about this because I'm ready for the shit that I'm not a doctor and I shouldn't be saying any of this. My view is not only should I be saying it, but I should be doing exactly what I've done for my whole career, which is investigating matters and telling the truth. And I'm not even, by the way, an anti-vaxxer. I think there's one vaccine I think is a great product, by the way, the BCG vaccine, which is for tuberculosis.

01:04:07.000 It is used in almost every country on earth.

01:04:10.000 It's 100 years old and it has other health benefits.

01:04:13.000 It helps with other respiratory problems and it helps with bladder cancer.

01:04:18.000 It has all kinds of benefits.

01:04:19.000 Guess what country it's not used in?

01:04:21.000 The United States of America?

01:04:23.000 That's a good guess, Joe.

01:04:24.000 The United States of America.

01:04:26.000 And why?

01:04:27.000 Because the...

01:04:28.000 Can I guess?

01:04:30.000 Yeah, please.

01:04:31.000 Would the patents run out?

01:04:33.000 It might be another reason, by the way.

01:04:35.000 You might be on something.

01:04:36.000 No, they would say, well, there isn't that much tuberculosis, but there's 9,000 cases a year.

01:04:42.000 Versus tetanus.

01:04:43.000 Versus tetanus with, you know, 13 cases every 10 years.

01:04:47.000 I don't think most people know that tetanus is a bacteria.

01:04:50.000 it's not transmissible. And many vaccines don't stop transmission anyway. By the way, I'm not saying they all don't work. I'm just saying you have to make a decision. Like, imagine this. Some parents don't want their kids to play football because they might have a head injury, right? But if the government mandated that you play football, we'd all be pretty pissed off. Parents decide whether their kids can take the bike out after sundown, whether they can sleep over at somebody's house. They make all these decisions about safety,

01:04:50.000 Yeah.

01:05:19.000 but they give over this vaccine decision as if it's not their business. And something that Bobby Kennedy is pushing for and I think will accomplish is called joint decision-making. And that is that the parent and the pediatrician will decide together on whether or not vaccines,

01:05:36.000 when to give them, how many, which type, et cetera. Guess who opposes that? The pediatricians. Right? They don't have to do that. Is that because of financial incentives? Holy shit, yes. When I was a kid, I went to the pediatrician. Well, first of all, I went to the doctor once. I broke my foot. If you didn't have vaccines and Bobby's wellness checks and little Jamie's wellness checks that are necessary, they bring you in to get the vaccines,

01:06:02.000 pediatricians would have to have second jobs. Because most kids, particularly when they're younger and they're not yet affected by all the environmental toxins, most kids are pretty healthy. Obviously, that's less true today than it was when I was a kid. But I want to share something that I'm itching to get out because most people just don't know much about vaccines, and there's information that's all available through CDC and FDA, et cetera, that I want to share if you give me permission. Okay,

01:06:30.000 so how does it start? Vaccine, it means, you know, it started from the word cow, vodka. It meant cow. So they would take pus, cow pus. You don't want to waste that stuff. And they would rub that into wounds on people. And then they decided, oh, maybe we can put horse pus and cow pus from an infected horse's hoof. We'll rub that in. And they tried that. And for a long time, they were experimenting with all these things. Some old-timey vaccines were made by,

01:06:57.000 I'm going to read it so I get it right, steeping them for years in a mix of ox bile and glycerin and potato slices. Sounds like a joke, right? But it's true. But science moved on and it evolved to where vaccines included dried rabbit spinal cords,

01:07:13.000 duck embryos, chicken blood, human bile, because you don't want to waste that, ground-up rat spleens, and boiled pig skin. So that's old-time vaccines before we knew anything about anything. So let's switch to the modern day vaccines, because obviously now we're real smart and we know a lot of stuff. Well, here is what's in your childhood vaccines right now. Gelatin from boiled pig skin, kind of like the old one. Chicken embryo protein, blood from the hearts of cow fetuses,

01:07:43.000 DNA fragments from human fetuses, oil extracted from shark livers, I mentioned earlier, proteins from worm ovaries, because you don't want to leave that out, and of course DNA fragments from monkey kidneys. Now if that doesn't sound like a Shakespeare play, you know,

01:07:58.000 that eye of newt, toe of frog, lizard's leg, tongue of dog, when I hear that thing from Macbeth, I literally, can't you just picture Gates and Offutt and Hotez sitting around in their witch's brew putting this stuff together? I know I'm talking fast, I'm almost done. The other modern ingredients in childhood vaccines. This is what you are giving if you trust the vaccine manufacturers. Formaldehyde. We already know that's bad. Polysorbate 80,

01:08:26.000 which is linked to infertility. And my absolute favorite, potassium chloride. Why is this my favorite? Because that is the chemical that is injected as the third injection in lethal injections by executioners. Now, admittedly, infants get far less of it than people who are executing, but we really want to be injecting any amount of that into human beings. Sodium borate, Triton X, that's what's in spermicides. And of course, until very recently,

01:08:57.000 ethylmercury. And what is the reason why they have so many different ingredients? So I got it in this, I got it in this book, Holding Up, Shameless Plug. I got it in this book because it's too long for now, but they have, you can get it from ChatGPT. They have what I would have to call a kind of insane reason for each of these. Right? I mean, you just heard what they are. I mean, they're nuts. And people say, well,

01:09:22.000 I'm not a scientist. You don't realize how very important each one of those ingredients is. Well, I do realize something, and I don't have to be a scientist. I don't want mercury injected into my kids. Period. When I was a kid, if a light fell and broke on the floor, you had to call a hazmat team to get rid of it because it had mercury.

01:09:43.000 You can't touch it.

01:09:44.000 You can't breathe it.

01:09:45.000 You can't eat it, but you can inject it into babies. 0.60

01:09:47.000 It's actually, it's crazy.

01:09:49.000 And, and, you know, vaccinologists, there's a degree of mad science here.

01:09:54.000 There's a degree of craziness.

01:09:55.000 And again, I'm still not anti-vax.

01:09:57.000 That's not the point.

01:09:58.000 The point is learn which products you think matter because they're not all the same.

01:10:02.000 And what are they saying is the reason why they have all these different ingredients like monkey kidneys and...

01:10:07.000 Well, some of them are, I mean, it's not, the one that's not funny, of course, is SV40.

01:10:12.000 Right.

01:10:12.000 Because simian virus 40, most people don't know, was in the first polio vaccine, which was recalled.

01:10:19.000 And then it was in the second polio vaccine.

01:10:21.000 which was put out to replace the one that had simian virus 40. It was in that, and it's in the Pfizer-COVID vaccine. SV40 fragments. And if you could explain how that happened. Well, they will claim that to grow the pathogen needs to be in some kind of organic material and that monkey kidneys is a good way to do it. So simian virus 40 accidentally, they claim,

01:10:47.000 accidentally got into it. Let me tell you what they claim for mercury, because it's a good story, too. They say that it's a preservative and that they needed it for multi-dose vials of the flu vaccine. Not legal in the UK, not in Denmark, not in Sweden, not in Switzerland, but for some reason in the United States, it's okay until Bobby Kennedy took it out. I mean, that committee that Robert Malone is on, the ACIP committee that decides on childhood vaccines. So why is this stuff in there? Well,

01:11:16.000 two reasons. One is that once they get a vaccine approved, the last thing they want to do is come back to the FDA and start that process all over again to get a better vaccine approved. Because it'll cost billions of dollars. Because it'll cost a lot, because now it will and it won't get passed. Right now, the ACIP committee, I mean, it's happening right now. There's a new Moderna vaccine. And the ACIP committee is saying to FDA,

01:11:42.000 give me all the information on this vaccine before we approve it. And there is no safety, no viable safety information on these vaccines, particularly the childhood vaccines. There never was. As you learned from Turtles All the Way Down, never a viable study on these. And the studies they did would be some of them for five days, some of them for 14 days. And I'm interested in going a little longer than that when it comes to my kids, meaning to know whether they had adverse reactions. Well, they would always quote,

01:12:11.000 they always say that there have been numerous studies and these studies are published. And then when RFK pushed them on this and forced them to reveal the fact that, no, there weren't any studies that showed it. Yeah, and they had never done a study. There are now three, but not done by the government, of comparing vaccinated kids to unvaccinated kids for all health outcomes. If you give a kid a measles vaccine,

01:12:36.000 it'll stop them from getting measles for many years. It works. But does it also have other adverse effects, right? So the three studies have been done and many, many more problems among vaccinated kids unrelated to the disease, therefore, I'm talking about asthma and ADHD and neurological problems and visits to the pediatrician. It's the easiest study in the world to do because you go to a big company like Kaiser,

01:13:04.000 they got the kid. They know he went in for a vaccine or didn't. And they know how many visits he had to the pediatrician. And so they can look very easily at it. It's not a hard project to do. And that's what Bobby and Dell Bigtree both went to get done by CDC and NIH. And that's the meeting where Fauci said,

01:13:22.000 oh, yeah, I have that study. And he did this looking through a file box. Oh, oh, I can't find it. I'll send it to you. And then they had to sue to get it. And right before showing up in court, they get the letter, oh, there is no such study. Lying, I can't say the phrase. Lying bastards. I can say that one, right? Yeah, you can say whatever you want. Motherfuckers. There you go. Thank you. That's right. Yeah, and not just a lying motherfucker, but a lying motherfucker with a pardon. It goes back to 2014. Yeah,

01:13:51.000 and why would it? Where would you even do that? Why would you give a doctor who saved millions of lives from the pandemic, why would you give him a pardon? That goes back to 2014. That seems insane. It seems insane that you would even need something like that. I'll add one more ingredient. He wasn't charged with anything. Right. So pardons are typically for people who are charged with something,

01:14:12.000 not for people who might be. So it's, you know, by the way, you'll have to tell, I know I'm talking fast and you'll have to tell me how we're doing on time. You're doing great. Okay, thanks. In this, a lot of this stuff is dark. And I'm, like anybody else,

01:14:28.000 I'm subject to getting bummed out by like, holy shit, this stuff goes on. And I'm getting a little better because if I accept that it's true, I stop being shocked and I stop being vulnerable to the impact of it. What are you doing on that subject? How do you deal with it? Humor is a good answer,

01:14:52.000 by the way. Humor is probably the number one. Yeah, I give myself lots of other things to do. And I think about other things. You know, I just try not to dwell on it too much. Yeah. But yeah, you can get really bummed out. You can get bummed out by the depth of the corruption and how many people who are intelligent people who think they're doing the right thing have become ministers of propaganda,

01:15:18.000 whether they realize it or not. And how easy it is to dismiss anybody who asks questions about these very questionable things. It's very disturbing and it alienates a lot of people. There's a lot of people that I can't talk to about certain subjects because they'll just spout out some propaganda and some nonsense and I have to go,

01:15:41.000 that's not true. And it's provably not true. I could show you in five minutes that that's not true. You know how many people I freaked the fuck out when I told them that 99% of polio is asymptomatic. And I go, I'm going to show you right now. We'll just put it in Google and then I just show it to them. Yeah. Like, how crazy is that? That's crazy. And then you get a little of them opening their eyes,

01:16:03.000 but then they go right back into the trance for the most part. Most people go right back into the trance because it's too difficult to admit that this entire system is insanely corrupt and it all functions by money and incentives. And they are more than willing to not just give people bad health outcomes,

01:16:22.000 but sacrifice human lives that would not have died because of profit. And they do that in a huge number of humans. There's a huge number of humans that will die this year because someone has decided that telling the truth is inconvenient because it stops them from making a profit. And so they will lie and they will prescribe things that don't need to be prescribed because there's incentives and there will be all sorts of,

01:16:51.000 besides death, all sorts of horrific health outcomes that could have been completely avoided. And then completely ignore any study like the Henry Ford study or any of these other studies that show that like when they study the Amish, when they find out the only Amish that turned out to have autism are the ones that were adopted. Yeah. And vaccinated. And I actually think there is only one case like that. Yeah. And so the Amish have, I don't remember the numbers,

01:17:17.000 but it's like 70,000 times less autism when you do all the maths. What the hell is that? And how is that not freaking people out? Like, how many people will just bury their head in the sand and say vaccines do not cause autism. This has been debunked. Yeah,

01:17:35.000 debunked. You know, I follow Peter Hotez on Twitter, and they'll just spout it out and then go about their life. They'll put their blinders on, fasten them securely to the side of their head and plow forward. That's the majority of people. Because there's a reality about human beings. Most people are cowards because they haven't had to not be a coward. They haven't had to test themselves against something terrifying. And so most people,

01:18:01.000 when they encounter something that's scary, they fold. Most people. That's why we admire people that don't. That's why you see like professional fighters. Like, oh my God, like the courage that you have to have to do. That's why you look at Navy SEALs that way. The courage you have to have to sign up for that. It's terrifying for people. So most people, when they encounter any pushback,

01:18:27.000 any social ostracization because you're you know, you're part of that kooky group of people that wants to question medical science. They don't want that. They don't want to not be invited to the cocktail parties. They don't want to get the side eye at the gym from people. They don't want that. You know, I got to see it during the COVID, even with my children, because they weren't vaccinated. And their friends were saying, why aren't you vaccinated? I thought you loved your kids. Yeah. Exactly. Well,

01:18:55.000 they are vaccinated for everything else. But my skepticism on COVID came in waves. Initially, I had zero. Me too. Initially, I almost took it. The UFC allocated 150 vaccines for all of their employees. I'm one of their employees. I showed up. I called the doctor. I said, can I get it today? And they were going to set it up, but then they said, no, actually, we have to give it to you at the clinic. Can you go there on Monday? I said, I can't, but I'll be back in two weeks. In that two-week time,

01:19:24.000 they'd pulled it from the market. It was a Johnson ⁇ Johnson. And then two people that I knew had strokes that took the vaccine in the two-week time. And I'm like, whoa. So then I hit the brakes. And then when they offered it again, I was like, no, I think I'm good. And then my family got it. And then I didn't get it. And I was like, I thought everybody gets it. You mean got COVID? Yes. I mean, everybody got it. I hugged my kids. I had sex with my wife. I tried to get it. I didn't get it. I was like, she's like,

01:19:54.000 you're going to get it. I'm like, I'm not getting nothing. And I didn't get it. I had two days where I felt crappy. Not crappy, bad, but like when I worked out, I didn't feel strong. So what I did was I just worked out with lighter weights. I did like 35-pound kettlebells, and I just went through a very easy routine where I just got my blood flowing. And then I said, let's see what I feel like the next day. It was like I was running a science experiment on myself, but I was also going crazy because everybody was like locked down and you need some good. Well, this is,

01:20:22.000 go. This is live TV, folks. Yeah. So then I realized, okay, well, you can contact it and be in contact with someone who's positive and not catch it. Right. Okay,

01:20:38.000 so what is this? And then Jamie got it and Tony got it. A bunch of our friends got it and they were fine. And my family was fine. My kids got through it like that. That was the nutty thing. Like one of them had like a little bit of a headache and she came home from school and that she tested positive and she was she was sick for a day, maybe two days with no medication, like nothing. And then the other one had it for maybe four days. She wasn't feeling so good. And my wife got it a little worse. She got it. She got it for about a week. She didn't feel good for about a week,

01:21:07.000 but it was never scary. It was always like, God, I feel so bad. Is there anything I can get you? Do you want this? Do you want that? But one of the things that we did was IV vitamins, not for the kids, but certainly for me when I got it. And I tell that to everybody when you get sick. If you get sick, get IV, high-dose vitamin C, get zinc, get vitamin B. Like you will feel so much better. And if you can tolerate it,

01:21:34.000 get NAD. I know a lot of people like NAD bugs them. It freaks them out. It doesn't. Get in the sun. Get in the sun. Yeah, that's true too. Which they told us to stay out of the sun for all of COVID. If you have access to red light therapy, that's great as well. Well, I think you're a conspiracy theorist. Yeah. Well, I clearly became one. But I mean, the social, the ostracizing of people that have different perspectives was a real thing. And I felt it. And I didn't just feel it from people that I knew,

01:22:03.000 which I did. I felt it from fucking CNN. You know, I felt it from the White House. Yeah, I saw. And I felt it through, but it was kind of cool because it was lies. It was like, oh, you changed the color of my face. This is,

01:22:17.000 you think you're going to get away with this? Like, how stupid are you that you don't think people are going to notice? There's a giant difference between my Instagram video where I'm in my backyard just talking normal and then you make me look jaundiced. Yeah. And there was also the Rolling Stone thing where they showed the people that were waiting in line at the emergency room because so many people were having horse dew. Yeah,

01:22:40.000 with gunshot wounds. They were waiting in line, a long line outside. Fucking Rolling Stone. I know. And they were saying people were getting overdose of horse dewormer, which by the way, no one got an overdose of horse dewormer. Which, by the way, no one's taking horse. You can get ivermectin online, you fucking idiots. And back then, you could get it in a pharmacy until they shut that down. Like, why would you shut down the ability to get a very useful medication? Why would you do that? Like,

01:23:08.000 how do you know why this person is getting ivermectin? What if they have fucking malaria? What if they have yellow fever or something where they're using ivermectin, where it, by the way, got a Nobel Prize? Yeah, they had a very good reason for shutting it down, which is that if there is a medication that is already approved for any purpose, then you cannot get an emergency use authorization. Exactly. And the emergency use authorization was everything. You know, that answer you just gave me to my question,

01:23:36.000 which was how do you do it, because you're hearing, you know, as much as I am and more in just in this room from people. And that is the very reason I wrote this book, because I wrote it to be able to hand and to let people whose eyes are more open to things hand this to their sister-in-law or brother-in-law or boss or friend or neighbor who's questioning everything. Because this is designed to carry you through Agent Orange,

01:24:06.000 nobody doubts it because it's now established, carry you through baby powder, now established, and show you each one of these things and then talk about vaccines and then talk about other products and then talk about the other examples in order to inspire skepticism. Now, can it work for everybody? Of course not. But I mean for it to be a helpful, persuasive strategy because I've been in the, you know, like you, been in these conversations, which I now just avoid,

01:24:35.000 right? There's a particular thing people say that used to piss me off. I let it roll off me now, but it would be, that's not what I heard. Yeah. As if that means something. And so what I do is I never talk with somebody without an open laptop. I'm not going to just hear, that's not what I heard. Notes, you open a laptop and I'll show you. And, you know, so like in this book, at the beginning of it, it says something like note to the reader. It says,

01:25:04.000 here's why the QR codes are there. When you encounter something you don't think is accurate, cross it out with a big, bold red pen. But right next to it, what is accurate? Because without that step, people get to say, I don't think so. Well, then what is it? Right. So I'm adding that step. And with all the QR codes, you can decide what's true, what's propaganda, and what sources you want to believe. Well,

01:25:30.000 it was weird because publicly they were stating things that go absolutely against known and established science. But when it comes to pandemics, one of them, the big one, that has always been said, You do not vaccinate during a pandemic.

01:25:47.000 Yeah.

01:25:49.000 And the other one, which is the value of natural immunity, which has only been known for throughout medical history, they suddenly said, no, no.

01:25:49.000 Yeah.

01:25:58.000 Hotez and others would say, no, no, you're better off to get the immunity from the vaccine that happens to come with these few side effects.

01:26:04.000 I mean, it was.

01:26:06.000 But it's also what I was getting at with the don't vaccinate during a pandemic because you create variants, especially with a leaky vaccine, which clearly the COVID vaccine was.

01:26:17.000 You think?

01:26:18.000 They lied to us at first and they said it's going to stop infection, stop transmission, period.

01:26:23.000 Oh, great.

01:26:23.000 It just works, period.

01:26:25.000 Step in line.

01:26:26.000 Let's do this.

01:26:27.000 It just works, period.

01:26:28.000 But it didn't just work.

01:26:29.000 period. So that automatically would create the possibility for the environment for variants. And then people publicly were saying that the unvaccinated are causing variants. Yeah. Which is wild. What a wild twist of reality and decades of research. Yeah,

01:26:51.000 the unvaccinated were the Jews in Nazi Germany. We were the worst thing in the world. We were the problem. We were spreading disease. By the way, since I mentioned that, it's a good little digression for a second. There's a book called Hitler's Professors. And it is about a process that Hitler administration used. Remember, They're in power for 12 years before they start killing people with industrial killing. 0.67

01:27:15.000 And they would have professors and universities do research projects and publish them.

01:27:21.000 That said Jews spread disease. 0.99

01:27:23.000 And then they would say they damage the economy in these ways.

01:27:26.000 So using medical science is not new as a way to control populations and as a way to influence.

01:27:33.000 So by the time you get to 1942 and the population is sort of geared up for this degree of Anti-Semitism, I'm not saying there wasn't Anti-Semitism on its own, but it was exploited and exposed to radiation in this process.

01:27:48.000 I want to share two other quick things.

01:27:51.000 When I have trouble with these topics and I wonder, are people dark enough to sit in a room and say, yeah, it causes myocarditis mostly to young boys, but let's put it out anyway and let's just not say anything. I had real trouble with that. And a dear friend of mine is a novelist Bruce Wagner. And when I brought this to him and I said,

01:28:11.000 I just cannot get over this hump. I cannot believe that people knowingly do this. I just can't get there. And I'm not a, you know, I'm a skeptical person, so I want to be able to believe anything. And he said, well,

01:28:23.000 have you read the conference at Bonse? Have you? You know what this is? No. And I said, no, I never heard of it. He said, go to Wikipedia and read the conference at Bonsey. Read about that. And so the conference at Bonsey is a conference in 1942 where Hitler's top soldiers and intelligence people meet with the civilian government,

01:28:42.000 the Minister of Finance, the Minister of Health, Minister of Transportation, at this place called Bonsey. And they lay out what's coming. They lay out the plan for what are we going to do with the Jews. And these are just civilian guys who have cars and drivers and are sitting in suits and have kids playing in the yard. And they slowly lay it out. And for example, 0.92

01:29:03.000 somebody says, then we're going to move them by train, 400,000 of them. We're going to move them by train. And the Minister of Transportation says, whoa, whoa, whoa, we don't have enough seats on the trains. And Hitler's guy says, we're not using seats. And it's slowly beginning to drop. And these guys thinking, what's up? So they have this conference. Somebody transcribes it and the transcription is leaked, a little bit like happened in my book. I got great leaked transcriptions. And you see these people talking about something that in the beginning they're using euphemisms, 0.53

01:29:33.000 relocation camps. And then they have a little whine after the meeting is over and they stop the euphemisms. And now they're talking about, well, what is a Jew? What if the mother is Jewish but the father isn't? What if he's a half-Jew? What if he's an adopted? What do we do with these? What do we do with that? And these people who walked into the room with no idea what was coming are suddenly participating for all the reasons you mentioned earlier about normal people, 0.66

01:29:58.000 right? Got a job. They don't want to be excommunicated. And so the conference at Bonsey is the example that helps me remember that of course human beings get in a room together. Every war we do. We make movies about them. They get in a war, they sit around a table like this and they say, well, we're going to lose 60,000 troops in the first three weeks or we're going to take out this many by this method. And generals, war generals, they actually, it's not the perfect wording,

01:30:26.000 but I don't have better wording. They look forward to the first casualties. Because the first casualties of our troops is what invigorates the war movement back home. They stormed into our camp at night like cowards,

01:30:41.000 and they killed our boys, and you have to support our boys in this war. If you really wanted to support our boys in the war, you'd leave them in Philadelphia. You wouldn't send them to Iraq. But this is how this works. And there's no surprise that people sit around a table and think about what's the best weapon,

01:30:57.000 what's the best weapon methodology. That's human life. That's part of human history. And they also think, what's the best way for us to make money? And is it going to cost human lives? We'll just do it. And what's the best way for us to control people? Right. They clearly did that with Viox when they found the emails that showed that they knew about the side effects. And then the quote was,

01:31:19.000 but we think we will do well with this. I got something worse for you than that. 60,000 people dead. I got something worse than that. Good timing. Here's Pfizer. I'm just going to say these are the companies we're trusting to make the vaccine products that we're injecting into our babies,

01:31:37.000 and a lot of them, including on the first day of life for a disease the baby can't possibly get because the mother's tested for hepatitis B anyway. Anyway, Pfizer. So they get fined for illegal marketing of products. The company is forced to pay the largest criminal fine in U.S. history at that time,

01:31:54.000 plus a billion dollars more in a settlement in 2009 for the False Claims Act. And I almost forgot $240 million in criminal fines and another $190 million in 2004 for false claims to Medicare. And $60 million and $40 million and $75 million for fraudulent marketing,

01:32:13.000 $15 million for paying kickbacks to health care providers. That's Pfizer. Johnson ⁇ Johnson, who's a really trusted company, to some people, they got fined $5 billion for what I already talked about, which is the baby powder,

01:32:28.000 $4 billion, I'm sorry. And they had to pay out all kinds of court things. But they got a $5 billion fine for multiple states for its role in the opioid crisis. And you can decide if I'm overplaying this because they got deceptive marketing,

01:32:45.000 downplaying the risks and overstating the benefits of their products, false claims made to mislead doctors and patients and regulators, tricky promotion, et cetera, et cetera, for distributing fentanyl products and failing to adequately warn about the risk of those products. $4.7 billion criminal fine in connection with baby powder. $2.2 billion in penalties for illegal marketing and kickbacks. Now,

01:33:07.000 I know this is boring, so I'm going to rush through it. GlaxoSmithKline, same thing. All kinds of criminality. GlaxoSmithKline had 700 middlemen who were bribing doctors. And one of the companies that I talk about in the book,

01:33:25.000 the sales guy, comes to the CEO and he says, I got a great idea for our product. Most of the pharma companies are paying doctors to go around and give seminars touting the drug, right? He said, let's cut that out. Let's go right to pay the doctors to write the prescriptions. It was called bribe to prescribe. We'll pay the doctor to write the prescription, and then he'll send it to a particular pharmacy, and it's for drugs the patient doesn't need,

01:33:52.000 and then we'll get a kickback from the pharmacy as well, plus we'll sell our product. The CEO of that company hears that. He slaps his hand on the table and he says, we just got our new VP of sales. They've been convicted, by the way, under the RICO Act. Merck,

01:34:07.000 other than Vioxx, which caused perhaps 200 deaths in America, they get a 650 million. Wait a minute. I thought Vioxx was like 50,000 deaths. No. I mean, you go online and you'll get a whole different group of numbers. It ought to be more than 200,

01:34:24.000 wasn't it? No, I said 200,000. Oh, you said 200. I thought you were talking about 200 people. Sorry, I'm sorry. I had read 60,000. Here's a good one. Really, 200,000? Yeah, here's a good one from Merck. And by the way, it could be 600,000 for all we know. You think somebody's running around trying to do that number accurately at the CDC or at Merck? Let's say the low end, 50,000. I thought the low end was 100,000. Okay,

01:34:49.000 but it's still insane. Here's an interesting one from Merck also. A bunch of whistleblowers came forward at Merck, and they acknowledged that their flagship product, which is the MMR vaccine,

01:35:01.000 that they tested it against a variant of mumps that doesn't exist in the wild. And guess what? The MMR did really good in that test, right? And it came back that it could pass all the requirements to be included. They added rabbit blood to human samples in order to pass that test. What? Yeah. Why did rabbit blood help them pass that test? Science. Who knows? Now they barely do that. Eli Lilly,

01:35:28.000 criminal fines of a half billion, then 800 million in settlements. This is the last one I'll do. For a product of their called Zyprexa, right? Now, why were people, why did 32,000 people sue over Zyprexa? Why were they so pissed off? Was it because Zyprexa caused swelling in the hands and the feet and the arms? A little bit. That pissed off some people. Was it because it caused problems with swallowing and drooling or the twisting body movements that lots of people reported? Sure,

01:35:55.000 some were pissed off about that. Was it that it caused stroke and heart attack? I'm reading, by the way. Probably that explains some of the resentment. But ultimately, what really pissed people off was the big side effect of sudden death. But Eli Lilly made a good decision pushing Zyprexa because even though it cost them $40 billion,

01:36:17.000 I mean, even though it cost them billions in settlements, they made $40 billion in revenues. That's the same with Viox, right? They made $12 billion in revenue. Of course, they got fined $5. And in the last 31 years that I cover in the book,

01:36:32.000 pharma manufacturers paid $62 billion, but they made trillions. And most of them are repeat offenders. So the question is, why in the world do we trust these companies? It's a very good question. I was hoping you could answer it. There's no answer. I mean,

01:36:51.000 people are lost in the trance. That's what it is. They want to believe. And the one product, by the way, where they have no liability, you think that's the one where they suddenly get careful? Right. That's what's hilarious about it. And that people push back against that,

01:37:03.000 how imperative it is that they have liability against being liable. Yeah. Liability against whatever damage they do, liability against lies. It's just crazy that they let them do that because vaccines cannot be both safe and effective. This is literally what they said when they were pleading for the immunity. Yeah,

01:37:25.000 you know, I forgot to mention earlier, because you asked why are some of these ingredients in the vaccines? Yes. So on mercury, they claimed that it was a preservative for the multi-dose vial of flu vaccine. But there's another ingredient you need in a vaccine, and that's called the adjuvant. And that's what bothers the body. That's what gets the body to say, I don't like this. I'm going to mount an immune response. And I'm quite confident that mercury, just like aluminum, which is still in lots of vaccines, childhood vaccines,

01:37:55.000 that mercury's purpose in there was that it really pissed off the body and it got the numbers to work for these vaccines.

01:38:02.000 In other words, the immune response.

01:38:04.000 They're claiming it's, you know, they make so many claims.

01:38:08.000 They claim that it's such a small amount it doesn't matter, even though...

01:38:11.000 And then there's the difference between ethyl mercury and...

01:38:13.000 Well, that's their big claim.

01:38:14.000 The big claim is they say that ethyl mercury is different from methyl mercury, which is in fish.

01:38:20.000 And comparing two kinds of mercury is like saying, would you rather be shot with a 38 or a 45?

01:38:25.000 I mean, I'd rather just not be shot.

01:38:27.000 But I want to just talk about this methyl mercury thing.

01:38:29.000 What they claim in this nonsense that they're inherently different is that ethyl mercury, the one in vaccines...

01:38:37.000 clears through the bloodstream more quickly than methylmercury. And they're right, it does. That's been tested in monkeys and it's true. Problem, where does it end up? In the brain. And it collects and it doesn't clear, and it lasts for years. So that part they don't want to talk about. Right. You know, and again, somebody's going to say, who the hell, a lot of people are going to say, who the hell am I, or you? All this information is available. You can find it. That's right. Oh, I don't mean that. I mean, they're going to say,

01:39:06.000 why am I talking about this? Well, because the fucking doctors aren't. Because doctors can't. They want to stay being doctors. That's true, too. And also, people need to know, when you call your doctor and you ask for information on this, they just go to the CDC website, right? They're not scientists. They're not conducting, they're not in a lab coat conducting science. In this book, I have a chapter called Ask Your Doctor. And it's questions to ask your pediatrician in person. Because if you ask them an email, they're going to give you an answer they just got offline,

01:39:34.000 right? But if you ask them in person, what are the ingredients of childhood vaccines? You think there's a pediatrician out there who can read the list I read to you? You're not going to find that person. Because they also bought into the idea that vaccines are a product that's uniform across the board,

01:39:53.000 vaccine good, disease bad, and it's their business. It's what they do. I'm not blaming people. And they have a license to conduct business and make billions of dollars. And you want them to stop for ethical reasons. Yeah, and they're in a priesthood. That is what it's like. They get all their respect, and it's like a religion. And all these truths that you can't talk about. I am now, having done your show today,

01:40:19.000 assuming that you air it, I am now officially questioning pharma companies and the Kissinger Report. I don't know if you heard about that one. That's another real good one to add to your list of MKUltra and others. You want that one? I don't know how to do it. It's a fair report. It'll kick your ass too. It's unbelievable. 1972,

01:40:43.000 Kissinger Report put together by CIA and USAID. And it is a report that concludes that the United States' official foreign policy signed into law in 1975 by President Ford, when I say signed into law, it's called a presidential directive, is the reduction of population in 12 specific foreign countries. Not the control of population,

01:41:09.000 the reduction of population. And so it explains the ways we're going to do this is through medicalizing birth control. Never was before. You didn't need a doctor to get a condom. And to go around and talk to villages everywhere and say, you want reproductive health freedom, don't you? You know what most women want on the planet Earth? Babies. They're not looking for reproductive health freedom was a term for have fewer babies,

01:41:36.000 right? There is a very potent move in official U.S. foreign policy to reduce population in other countries. Now, why? Philippines or Indonesia. Why? They state it directly in the Kissinger Report because it's classified. They wanted to reduce those countries' development so that they wouldn't need their own raw materials because we want them. The metals,

01:42:00.000 et cetera. It is dark as shit, the Kissinger Report. And it's not classified anymore. You can ask ChatGPT about it to give you quotes from it. And so this whole business of population reduction is now another third rail I'm stepping on, right? Nobody wants it. What are you, you're nuts. No, a lot of people want it. A lot of people believe, obviously including Bill Gates, that 8 billion people was the number where we must turn it around, which is where we are supposedly now. And the Kissinger report,

01:42:29.000 I was a kid. I didn't write it. I didn't make it up. You can find it on Wikipedia. It's a real thing. And all the presidential directives that came from it. Would these countries like the idea that we show up and we say, hey, we've got a new tetanus vaccine for you, but it happens to also have in it, secretly, something that will reduce fertility in your women, as we did in India, as we did in Peru. In both India and Peru,

01:42:54.000 we also did forced sterilization surgeries. U.S. paid for them. True story. So the one vaccine was the DTP vaccine. Is that what it was? The one I'm talking about? The one that had HCG in it? It was just tetanus. But there was a vaccine, there was in Bobby Kennedy's book, where they were talking about women in Africa, where they were unknowingly given this vaccine against. It was diphtheria, tetanus. Well,

01:43:24.000 it was the tetanus part that they were pitching. And by the way, tetanus is a challenge in those countries more than it is in the United States. But yeah, they were calling them wellness drugs. But they had HCG in it. That's correct. HCG,

01:43:39.000 and they were more administered to women than they were to men. Oh, of course. And they were five. They would administer five of the injections. And they did it under this, the guise, the narrative was that women were more vulnerable. So you have to give the vaccination to women. And it was preventing them from getting pregnant. It was preventing them from getting pregnant. And they had World Health Organization,

01:44:00.000 which basically has this as a mission. Man, I wish they would sue me for saying this, but they have this as a mission, which is population reduction from the beginning. They had worked on that HCG. There's Gates famously in a speech saying we can do that with vaccines. Yeah. By the way, in the Kissinger report, for those of you not seeing this and only hearing it, that was me drinking, that pause was me drinking water. I did not have a stroke. In the Kissinger report,

01:44:29.000 they list the strategies and how much funding they'll give to each strategy. One of the strategies is to medicalize birth control, meaning have trusted people in the villages, et cetera. Another one is to pay young men to have a vasectomy, just outright, you know, write a check in villages so they get 60 bucks and they get a nice weekend of buying beer, but they never have kids. But another one of them is injections that reduce, that temporarily reduce male fertility. Now,

01:44:55.000 here's an interesting thing about that one. It's in the Kissinger report. Injections that temporarily reduce male fertility. The COVID vaccine reduces sperm count in men for three months,

01:45:07.000 admitted by Fauci. It's not a secret. But the CDC's response was, yeah, but it's only for three months. And they were asking us to take one every fucking three months. And also the miscarriages. Miscarriages and stillbirths. My point is that it's no surprise that these persistent thoughts that I think good people believe,

01:45:31.000 meaning I think there are good people who believe that population reduction is important. The fact is, of course, that now we are barely at replacement, you know, at replacement value right now in terms of many populations. Countries like Japan, South Korea, they're under replacement numbers, meaning they're not having enough babies. The entire population of the planet Earth could fit in the state of New York. I'm not saying it would be a pleasant place, but I'm just pointing out that the Earth is very big,

01:45:59.000 and I'm not persuaded that overpopulation is the issue. I do think an issue is distribution of food. That's a big one, meaning how we distribute the resources we have is affecting a lot of people. But whether I agree or I don't agree is irrelevant. A lot of people believe in this very strongly. The woman who founded Planned Parenthood,

01:46:20.000 which I gave and still give money to, the woman who, you know, she was into population reduction. By the way, when I said a minute ago, still give money to it, the last one was two years. Now, I probably, all these things are changing in my head. Meaning, everything I thought is subject to reevaluation. And maybe that's how we ought to live, which is to not lock into these positions where we think we know. Well,

01:46:48.000 I think part of the problem with some poor countries is they don't have great infrastructure. They don't have great power grid. They don't have great manufacturing. They don't have great government, right? Well, the only way you're going to generate wealth is if you have legitimate power. You have reliable power. Well, what's the most reliable power that is clean? Well, that's nuclear. Well, the problem with that is when you give people a nuclear plant,

01:47:14.000 they didn't know how quick and easy it would be for it to convert to now they have nuclear weapons. That's how you get India and Pakistan. Yeah. They both have nuclear weapons. Why do they have nuclear weapons? Because somebody decided to build nuclear power plants there. So you can't have the whole world have nuclear weapons. It's pretty nuts how many people have them as it is and how we haven't used them. Well,

01:47:37.000 we have used them, of course. Only the United States has used them. We haven't used them since, I was going to say, since World War II. But this thing, this unsurmountable problem of providing energy and infrastructure, when you hear things like the Kissinger report,

01:47:52.000 where it's like we want to make sure that they don't develop to a point where they start using their own materials because we need them. So let's fuck up this entire, whatever the progress was going to be, let's halt that. Yeah, and do it in the name of showing up like we're here to help and we're here to do something wonderful for you. That's so dark. You got time for a funny one? Okay, this one won't be funny,

01:48:19.000 I promise. All right. So in the Institute of Medicine report and study that they did on vaccines and what they called autism and alcohol brain damage, it's a closed session, right? And the very first thing said is this optimistic pronouncement. The closed session transcripts will never be shared with anybody outside the committee and the staff. Well, that turned out to be way wrong because somebody leaked the transcripts,

01:48:46.000 which is why a lot of them read my book. How do we know they're substantiated? How do we know that they're the absolute transcripts? Oh, the provenance of it, they've been now around since, I think, 2009 maybe was when there was the beginnings of articles and nobody's come and said,

01:49:02.000 like Bobby Kennedy published on them, and nobody came forward and said, wait a minute, I never said that. And you can see, you can tell they're real by both what they say and also what they end up with, which is equal to the report they published. But this was meant to be secret, right? Now,

01:49:18.000 the second pronouncement they made, this one was dead on accurate. The point of no return, the line we will not cross in public policy is pull the vaccine, change the schedule. We wouldn't say compensate the injured, and we wouldn't say stop the program. Then another one says,

01:49:33.000 CDC wants us to declare, well, these things are pretty safe on a population basis, and we are not ever going to come down that autism is a true side effect. That is the first hour of their study. That is the first hour when they sit down to answer the question, which is, you know, might mercury or other ingredients be causing autism in any children anywhere.

01:49:57.000 Read that quote again.

01:49:59.000 Let's go back here.

01:50:01.000 CDC wants us to declare, well, these things are pretty safe on a population basis, and we are not ever going to come down that autism is a true side effect.

01:50:01.000 The autism quote.

01:50:10.000 The CDC asked for a result.

01:50:13.000 Oh, the CDC paid for the – But they specifically were requesting a result.

01:50:17.000 Yeah, and everybody kind of knows it.

01:50:19.000 You know, one of the doctors asks, are we going to look at mercury?

01:50:22.000 And the answer comes back fast, saying not this round.

01:50:26.000 Now, this is the first study that the U.S. government is doing supposedly to find out what causes autism.

01:50:32.000 But what they're actually doing is finding out what doesn't cause autism.

01:50:36.000 right? Which, as they already know, is going to be vaccines. And one of the doctors says, wait a second, not this round. If we're going to look at autism, can we really fundamentally look at it in isolation? In the real world, they, meaning the injections, don't occur in isolation. Individuals that got the MMR vaccine also received the vaccines with mercury. So that's a very good point he's making. What happens to his point? Immediately, a guy named Dr. Berg interrupts,

01:51:04.000 and this is where I think it's funny. I'll try and do it without cracking up. But this is what Dr. Berg says. He says, I don't know how long it will take for us to figure out what the question really is. I'm a veteran of one panel that took six days for a group about this size to figure out what the question was. It can be a formidable issue. I don't know what the question is,

01:51:24.000 whether it is MMR or whether it is measles vaccine. And somebody tries to answer him. And he says, excuse me, we're going to have to have a method for how we focus the question. This is one of the questions we need to focus on. How are we going to form the question? What process are we going to use to form the question? The issue of specifying the question is a very important step. I would like to know how this panel is going to specify the question. In other words,

01:51:48.000 this guy is a fucking chucklehead. And this is what he's obsessed with and talking about. And the next guy, Dr. Goodman, he talks all through the thing and he's impossible to understand. Literally impossible to understand. Here's his quote. In the end,

01:52:03.000 the bottom line is, the only verdict that matters or is of importance is whether we say a causal relationship between vaccines and autism is likely or suggested or unlikely or inadequate. That is the only metric. As soon as we start introducing any other words that sort of sidestep to causality,

01:52:22.000 but we're not going to say causality, I think we would introduce confusion. Now, I read that 30 times writing this book. I don't understand what the fuck he's saying. That's all they do is introduce confusion. And they sit there for day after day after day, talking not about science. They're scientific experts talking about words. How do they focus? What kind of adder all these guys on when they're having these conferences? I mean, I can't even imagine staying awake during listening to that guy say that. They barely, by the way,

01:52:50.000 they barely do stay awake because one of them says, if we want to subdivide, subdivide the categories, and boy, did they ever want to subdivide, then I think we have to use there seems to be a strong association which we can't explain, or we don't have any other explanation for it,

01:53:05.000 or, however, we don't want to make a causal claim because we know from many observational studies, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He actually says, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's what they know from observational studies. And we shouldn't put it in the sufficient category because that will, their fear was that people would be afraid to take vaccines, right? Now, you asked how they stay awake. They don't. They quit early and they take a massive break from all the subdividing and language prose bullshit they're doing and they go away for a few months. And then they come back and one guy says, you know what,

01:53:34.000 we should say? We should say maybe if it happens, meaning autism or brain damage, it happens maybe once in a thousand times, maybe once in 10,000 times, maybe once in a million. In other words, without a calculator, this guy just went from a rate 1,000 times different, one in a thousand to one in a million. He's such a genius that he can accomplish that. I mean, it is an embarrassment. There's one guy,

01:53:57.000 there's one point. That's crazy that that's the numbers he was throwing around. Let's just give them a name. Give them a voice of authority that tells them it's very rare, don't worry about it. And then we're good. And it's not a bad idea. Of course, it's deceitful, but it's not a bad idea. At one point, by the way, one of the guys, Dr. Johnston, he says, oh, this is a good one too, Dr. Stato. He says, let's take the top category from vaccines, the second category from Agent Orange,

01:54:27.000 and then in between, let's put the top from Agent Orange and the second from vaccines. Voila! And like they've solved their problem. But one guy says, like he's reciting Hamlet. He solves the problem. He says,

01:54:40.000 this is what we're going to say. We're going to say our information is inadequate to accept or reject. That is a statement. And then they work on that statement for a while. And there's this woman named Barbara Lowe Fisher who offered them a lot of information that they rejected. They turned it down. And here's what they say about her in the meeting. They say,

01:55:03.000 all we are going to get from her is a list of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of kids who were developing normally, but they got their MMR vaccine and then they started to regress. In other words, all we're going to get is exactly what we're being paid to sit here and do. That's what America was asking them to do. And so all these, I'll just do one more. There's a guy, Dr. Goodman, and he says to the group,

01:55:26.000 I've got something big. He says it's not, it's still sort of rough. And then he rolls out this big invention of his. I call it the three-category system. That is high, intermediate, and inadequate,

01:55:41.000 with the other two categories being no evidence at all or favors acceptance. And he says, what we're looking for is an argument that is embedded inside the rhetoric, an argument that might be of some value to parse out and take pieces of and make sure that we address it in its pieces. That's like a fucking scrabble set that turned upside down. It doesn't make any sense. But I'm not a scientist,

01:56:04.000 so I shouldn't be able to opine on it, but that's why. But it's clear what they're doing with trying to make that water as muddy as possible. And they come out with their report, and not only do they come out with their report saying that there's no link between any vaccine and any autism in any child, not only that, but they say it should not be further studied. These guys, who will do study after study after study for years because they're getting paid for it,

01:56:30.000 on this one they decide no more studies. I mean, it's quite remarkable. And that is the thing that allows everybody to say to you and to me and to Bobby Kennedy, oh,

01:56:40.000 that's debunked. That's how it happened. That's the debunking. And what I'm trying to do is show how the sausage is made in these debunking campaigns. And it's not pretty. Sorry. Say something optimistic. There's nothing optimistic after that. But it's just until those kind of people are no longer able to do those kind of things,

01:57:04.000 we're going to continue to have new versions of this problem. And there's going to be new things that come up that freak everybody out. Yeah, of course. And, you know, you asked at the very beginning, did I think that some of these things were intentional or were they simply exploiting the opportunities that came? I now believe that very few things are purely organic events. That's what I believe. In other words,

01:57:27.000 any giant social movement, like COVID is a giant social movement. I'm not talking about the virus. I'm talking about the response. This is not accidental. This is not people, oh, we thought this and we tried that. We were just doing our best to figure stuff out. That's now impossible, that theory. Do you think that the virus was released intentionally? I'm open to the idea, you know, that's exactly the one, by the way, that I went to my friend Bruce Wagner and I was suffering over. In other words,

01:57:57.000 can people do this kind of stuff? But then you learn that we dropped infected ticks on Cuba, that Lyme disease is likely the result of experimentation. Now, people have pushed back on me about that one recently because I said that on the podcast. Because Lyme disease has existed forever, right? Like there's versions of Lyme disease. It's like very ancient. That's true,

01:58:20.000 right? I don't know. I don't know. I only know that. But there is the reality is Plum Island, they were doing bioweapons research, and one of the projects was taking ticks and infecting them with different things so you could drop them off of helicopters, Infect a population and overwhelm their medical system.

01:58:39.000 This is established, right?

01:58:41.000 Yep, that's true.

01:58:42.000 And Lime Island was right outside, or Plum Island, rather, was right outside of Lime, Connecticut.

01:58:49.000 That's all true.

01:58:49.000 And so is it possible?

01:58:51.000 It's a little bit like the big...

01:58:53.000 It's also like, why would you defend that?

01:58:56.000 Defend it in what way?

01:58:57.000 Why would anybody say, oh, Lime has always been around?

01:59:00.000 Okay.

01:59:01.000 Oh, because...

01:59:02.000 But it's never been ubiquitous.

01:59:04.000 It's never been a disease that infects ticks, and everybody gets it, and the entire population is chronic fatigue syndrome.

01:59:11.000 That's not normal.

01:59:12.000 That's new.

01:59:13.000 I moved out of New York State. I had a beautiful place there, and I moved because I got Lyme disease and my kids got it. And I just couldn't, every time I go for a walk in the forest, have to think about this tick that's on you. Oh, I had a friend get it, and his child got paralyzed. He got face paralysis. The same, the Guillain Barr, whatever it's called. Guyan Beret. Guyanne Beret. I only see it written. Guyanne Beret, his child got it when the doctor was unwilling to admit that the kid had Lyme disease because the bullseye,

01:59:41.000 the little thing had gone away. Right. Which is, you know, the doctor just said, ah, he's fine. And then eventually got to the face paralysis where they started giving him high doses of antibiotics. But my friend, both he and his son, he suffered badly. He lost like 50, 60 pounds. He looked fucking terrible for a long time. It's quite serious. And, you know, there was a giant outbreak of polio, certainly the biggest and most important one, happened in New York. And there, too,

02:00:10.000 the Rockefeller Foundation was working on funding gain of function research on polio to make it worse. Yeah, we've talked about this. Yeah, nowhere on the planet Earth had there ever been another outbreak like that. And the reason that polio was fatal to some people is because of the paralysis piece. But as you said,

02:00:31.000 the paralysis may very well be the result of insecticides and other modern pathogens. And so it's all, you know, you asked me the big question, do I think it's intentional? My easiest answer is that I can believe almost anything. I obviously do not know the answer to that question,

02:00:53.000 But I think it's intentional that they were doing gain-of-function research against the objection of many people, including President Obama, you know, opposed it and they offshored it to China.

02:01:02.000 Many people wrote articles against it.

02:01:05.000 It is quite literally mad scientist insane.

02:01:08.000 It's quite literally insane to say, can I make something worse than nature might because it might make it one day.

02:01:14.000 And not have a fucking cure for it while you're doing that.

02:01:16.000 It's never worked, right?

02:01:17.000 They've never done the thing of having.

02:01:19.000 But that wasn't the research.

02:01:20.000 The research was making the virus worse.

02:01:23.000 The research wasn't, let's make a cure for a virus.

02:01:26.000 Well, it's both because the research was make bioweapons.

02:01:29.000 That means make it worse.

02:01:30.000 But the defense for bioweapons is the dream of Dr. Daszak, who should be in prison.

02:01:37.000 Peter Dazak. Please sue me for saying that. I have the resources to address this lawsuit with you. Anyway, the research he was doing to make bioweapons and to make something worse included, and he made a pitch to the Pentagon on it, included having a vaccine that would make our troops able to walk in immune. Science fiction. Right, science fiction. But it's very sexy science fiction because ain't that the greatest war ever? Right, but we make them sick,

02:01:37.000 Please sue me.

02:02:06.000 but we don't get sick. But they didn't have a vaccine. So they had the disease, but they didn't have a vaccine that was effective for it. But he wanted to work on it. How long were they working on it? I mean, you think about the virus, if 2014 was when they brought back, that's the date where Fauci is immune, right? That's where it goes back to, right? So that must have been the time where they restarted gain of function research. How long were they doing it before that? Like,

02:02:32.000 how long have they been doing it? And they never had a vaccine. Back to paperclip. I mean, back to the very beginning. Look, humanity, the history of humanity, includes that the greatest funding will always go to weapons. And so scientists became,

02:02:47.000 they weren't always in the position they're in, that they're in American society and Western society today, but they became very important because you could figure out things like nuclear weapons and bioweapons. And if you have bioweapons that are ethnically targeted,

02:03:04.000 that'll be a big advancement. And there's no reason in the world to believe that China, Russia, the United States, and other superpowers aren't working on that. Oh, boy. And we would vote against it if there was a referendum,

02:03:20.000 right? We, meaning you and me, and maybe Jamie. I can't tell about you. Okay. Would you, Jamie? Jamie's a good guy. Okay. He's raising his eyebrows. I don't know what to think. But anyway, many, I think probably most intelligent people would say, yeah, let's not do that. Right. And in fact, most intelligent people might say, if we could go back and not have nuclear weapons, let's go back to that. That would be a nice thing. Certainly people have tried. But scientists tend to get their best funding. I mean, look,

02:03:49.000 there's a bioweapons lab at the University of Boston, a high-level one. What the fuck? I don't want my kid going to the University of Boston. Like, what are we doing that for? And they're all over the world. There were 60 of them in Ukraine funded by the United States. And we think we want to wonder why Russia might not like what was going on in Ukraine. By the way,

02:04:12.000 speaking of Ukraine, I keep asking if I have time. Do I have time to tell the Zelensky story? Sure. Because it's another one. It's just, you know, what is Zelensky? In America, he's a hero. He's a real warrior. He's got that nice green warrior suit on. And here's the truth. And people know parts of this story,

02:04:28.000 but they don't know it in its cleanest narrative. So he was a totally apolitical, he was an outsider to politics, zero experience or interest in government or politics. He was a comedian and with no manifesto, no party ties. And he does a TV show,

02:04:43.000 a planned TV show called Servant of the People. And the main character in the show does a YouTube video that calls out oligarchs and corruption and eventually becomes popular and is drafted as a protest candidate and eventually becomes president. So Zelensky played on a TV show a person who becomes president by popular demand. In real life,

02:05:05.000 the TV show is supported by an oligarch named Kolomoyski, who owned the TV channel. And Kolomoyski did a huge nonstop promo on that TV show to make it the number one show. Prime time slots and ads everywhere and crossovers with the news and what have you. 2018,

02:05:24.000 a year before the show goes off the air, Zelensky forms a political party called Servant of the People, the same title as the show. And no press release, secretly done. And then he does another season of the show. And in April of 2019, he announces his actual candidacy on Instagram. He has no campaign, no rallies,

02:05:49.000 no real platform. He skips the presidential debates others attended. He avoids press conferences, and the few that he did in the beginning were really bad. And Kolomoyski's TV channel gave Zelensky's campaign endless airtime and favorable polls and went after his enemies. The U.S. intelligence agencies,

02:06:10.000 CIA and NSA, helped. U.S. spending $5 billion, by the way, on democracy campaigns in Ukraine, funneled through NGOs. And USAID embeds advisors in his organization to help with the campaign. I'm almost done. And on Election Day,

02:06:31.000 Zelensky wins with 73% of the vote. And then the war happens with Russia, and he declares martial law, and he ends elections. It's supposed to be an election in 2024. That's what we get for our democracy money. And quite literally, he is an actor in a carefully designed television show. He is a construct, like Epstein is a construct, meaning he's a created entity. And it worked. That is Zelensky,

02:06:59.000 the American hero. I guess his star is maybe fading a little bit now. I don't know. What do you think? Is he still wildly popular in America? Well, I think people are very disappointed by the fact that the wars continue to go on and the deaths, the amount of deaths. I mean, people are horrified by it. And that's a big failure of the promises of the Trump administration, too, because Trump famously said that he would get it done in 24 hours. You can't get it done at all. Yeah,

02:07:29.000 it's tough. And they're conscripting 60-year-old men, sending them to the front line. And Americans and people from all over the world to go and fight. But the narrative, I think your very first question was, did people do this on purpose? Things like this, like wars that are multi-billion dollar events, they are not organic. They do not just happen. Putin does not just decide one day, hey, I got an idea,

02:07:58.000 and to go into a part of Ukraine where they're Russian speakers, they're culturally Russian, and they are not organic events. It's not how people get into power in many countries around the world. Well, the crazy thing is the narrative that the soldiers in Russia were being told that this was going to be over very quickly, they're going to be welcomed, and then, you know, they had dress uniforms in their packs. Yeah. They thought it was going to be a couple of days. Storm in,

02:08:27.000 storm out. You're a hero. Yeah. We were told that in Iraq, that we will be welcomed in Iraq as soon as we get to Baghdad. So what do you think the Ukraine thing is really all about? Well, why limit it to Ukraine? Just talk about human war. I mean, what is human war always about? It's about primacy and control and wealth. And, you know, a thousand years ago, there's about a thousand what you would call government systems, 0.54

02:08:56.000 right? There's warlords and there's shoguns in Japan and there's all these little entities. In our lifetime, it's down to 190. But is it really 190? It's more like five, right? NATO and China and the Soviet bloc when it existed and the oil-producing countries. In other words, it's getting to be whatever number you want to make it. But eventually it'll be two fuckers sitting in a room and then they've got to kill each other. Right. And then, you know,

02:09:21.000 that is the decay of empire. And we are, you know, we have 760 military bases overseas. China has won. And I'm not saying China good, U.S. bad. China's got different methods for the shit they're doing. But you asked me, what's this war about? And I think we should never talk now anymore about individual wars and their narratives, 0.77

02:09:49.000 because it's just a reality of human beings and human history that all wars are justified. Every single war is justified. It just depends which narrative you want to choose. Ukraine has a perfectly good narrative. Russia has a good narrative, and the U.S., it's kind of the weakest narrative. We're at war with Russia is what it boils down to. Wars now are electronic. And so the U.S. is currently at war with Russia, just using the bodies,

02:10:18.000 the meat grinder of the Ukrainians. But we are firing missiles. We are providing the signals intelligence. We are providing the satellite information. That is how war is fought today. And it'll be more and more. Look at the drone attacks, 0.99

02:10:35.000 the drone attacks that Ukraine supposedly accomplished. You think any U.S. technology might have been involved in that? No chance. No chance. I knew it. So I apparently am a conspiracy theorist. Yeah. What I want to be,

02:10:50.000 by the way, is just, I don't have the answers on these things, but I want to accept in the time I'm 71, in the time I have left on Earth, I want to accept that these things are part of humanity and part of the human nature,

02:11:06.000 particularly when you have big centralized governments. George Carlin had a great joke. He said, it wasn't even a joke. We said it on the tonight show. He said, I really love people as individuals, but as soon as you get two or more together, I can't stand them. So political parties, governments, all of that stuff. Well, large groups, you know, it doesn't work. Well, there's a diffusion of responsibility, too. You can kind of, that's how corporations can function. There's so many people,

02:11:36.000 you don't feel bad for what you're doing. You're part of a greater thing. It can't be stopped. Congress is like that. We'll declare war on some country, and no one person is responsible. But I would like to say something optimistic, Joe. And that is that, you know,

02:11:52.000 what COVID did something, the disaster of it, I'm not talking only about the virus. I looked at my life and said, what are the ways, things that I'm grateful for today that didn't exist? I made a strong commitment to travel with my kids because we were told we couldn't. And I'm very grateful for that having happened. I lost a lot of relationships,

02:12:12.000 as I'm sure you did, and we both will after this talk today. But I also made some of the strongest relationships in my life. I mean, people now who you or I could show up at their front door in a crisis at 2 in the morning and they let us in. Well,

02:12:26.000 you found out who's courageous. That's a very important piece. And the heroism of that, you know, you are one of the people who has given me optimism and hope because you put it on the line in a way that most people don't. And governments didn't like it. Powerful governments didn't like it and still don't like it. And so those relationships,

02:12:47.000 I think, have made, they give me optimism. And also, a dear friend of mine said, when you think of the worst things that human beings do, you should also think of the lofty things they do at the same time, which is heroism and supporting each other and loving each other. And our willingness, yours and mine even, to talk about this stuff publicly is a neither one of us is claiming to know all these answers. But we're asking questions,

02:13:16.000 and apparently, there are consequences for that. It's also there's a reason to do it because it's not being done. Like if you're looking at mainstream media, if you're looking at all these very respected newspapers and television shows,

02:13:32.000 whether it's the New York Times or the Washington Post, why aren't they, why isn't this on the front page of their newspaper? Why isn't this the lead on their television show? Because they are deeply corrupted and probably right after pharma, they are the most responsible for the suffering that people went through. You know, during the COVID years, six million people died from just regular things in America alone because their families couldn't be with them,

02:13:59.000 right? You had a whole year in which you couldn't go to the hospital and hold the hand of your father. One of the most I had that, right? I could not be with my father when he died. One of the most important passages in our lives is to be there for each other in that time, just like childbirth.

02:14:13.000 And so these are dark outcomes.

02:14:16.000 And in America, we have more of an opportunity to resist than most other countries do.

02:14:23.000 And I hope more people will be skeptical and will do it.

02:14:29.000 And there's hope in that.

02:14:31.000 I mean, there's optimism in that.

02:14:33.000 But I just have to let go of all of my beliefs that this is outrageous, meaning this is not outrageous.

02:14:41.000 This is the way things are.

02:14:42.000 It's normal.

02:14:42.000 Yeah, it's normal.

02:14:44.000 We were just very delusional before COVID.

02:14:47.000 Yeah.

02:14:47.000 I mean, I certainly was.

02:14:48.000 Me too.

02:14:49.000 I was as gullible as the very people that I look in the car and see the guy with two masks in the next car.

02:14:54.000 I was just as gullible, just different things.

02:14:57.000 Well, it's also sometimes it's like something like this happens.

02:15:00.000 And at what point in your life does it happen?

02:15:03.000 it happened to me when I was 20, I probably would have had a way different reaction than when I was 53. It's just at that time in my life, I was like, I don't trust you guys anymore. I've already seen enough bullshit from you guys. I know this can't be 100% what's going on,

02:15:21.000 but the extent of the deception, I never would have imagined. The extent of the corruption, I never guessed. I thought the doctors were great. I never thought they could. I never thought they were ever doing anything that would be bad for your health just because there's a profit incentive. I never thought that. I was a little skeptical about some surgeries,

02:15:44.000 like some surgeons want to do surgery. I'm like, I think you could rehab that. But other than that, I never thought that there would be this level of corruption with pharmaceutical drug companies. Maybe this is a blessing to come out of COVID because it was very persuasive. What does, I mean, I can get pissed off at many things. One of them is that no human beings ever pay a penalty for this stuff. Right. Right? Even if it's just money gets. Albert Borla,

02:16:11.000 what does he care about a fine criminal fine? They don't care. They're still making so much money. And people are still fucking taking it. That's right now today, sure. There's ads for it. I've seen an ad where a lady has like two band-aids. And she goes,

02:16:25.000 I got my flu and my COVID all in one shot. Like, why? It's a good question. And by the way, the smallpox vaccine, which I talk about in the book in the context of showing that we know a lot about it because it's old. And it lists the people who are most vulnerable to problems from the smallpox vaccine,

02:16:44.000 which is a nice service for the CDC to do. Meaning, if you have any of these conditions, be watchful of the smallpox vaccine, which is not a popular vaccine, obviously, unless you have a smallpox outbreak. What do they list on there? Diabetes? Oh, well, there's 65 million Americans. Family history of heart disease. You know somebody who doesn't have a family history of heart disease? Meaning everybody in America, it's perfectly safe for except everybody in America. Now,

02:17:10.000 the reason I'm mentioning it is that's the vaccine that they rolled out for monkeypox, same vaccine. And a million people took the monkeypox vaccine. And the government was trying to get monkeypox to be as scary as COVID. But they couldn't find anybody with monkeypox. They kept showing the same hands with monkeypox. And there was some African kid, 0.93

02:17:31.000 and they couldn't find anybody with it. And so eventually most people didn't care, but a million people lined up. And then CDC said, how about two? I think we should do two of these monkeypox vaccines. That should be the regimen. And so people are scared of,

02:17:49.000 you know, throughout history, there were always witch doctors in every village, right? God. The monkeypox one was wild because it was really only promiscuous gay guys that were getting it. Well, and only six of them. Four guys died, right? Yeah, you got to, I don't even know about that. I think four guys died. I mean, we think we're told four guys. That's going to be short. That's right. But it was a thing where they were trying to spread it like it was a new epidemic that was going to run through the country. No, it was good. Like AIDS, 1.00

02:18:16.000 it was going to be a lot of fun. And they tried it twice. They tried it once and it didn't take, and they tried a second time. And you know, they changed the name as well. What is it now? Let's think what it is. Monkey's offensive. No, no. Monkey was a little comical. Monkeypox didn't sound serious enough, so they changed it to something else. Pardon me for not remembering. During the Biden administration, they changed it to something else. And they tried to roll it out. And, you know, this, what is it here? According to the box. M-Pox. M-Pox. That's a good sound. That's right. M-pox. M-Pox. That sounds a little scary,

02:18:44.000 doesn't it? You know, now that I've seen the word M-Pox, I think I might get that vaccine later today. It's better. It sounds better than monkeypox. M-pox is kind of terrifying. It is, and I don't want to get it. It's clinical. I don't want to get it. So I'm going to get this. So this, you know, all this stuff that I explored over the last year does leave me with some optimism because when COVID happened, the book, 1984, in 2021,

02:19:12.000 it was the 17th best-selling book in the world. So somebody had their head screwed on. And so that gives me a little bit of hope. And this book, which can I be a whore and hold it up, please? Forbidden Facts. That's the book. Where can one get that? Can they get a book? Amazon. Did you do an audio version of it? There's an audio version. Did you read it? I did. Yes. And I love when the authors read it. Yes, me too. And there's also a, whatever you call it,

02:19:38.000 an e-book version, which is only $5. I don't make any money from the book. The publisher doesn't make any money from the book. The purpose of the book is to help some people persuade some other people to be more pessimistic because, sorry, that was an interesting slip. To be more,

02:19:53.000 to have more skepticism. Don't be more pessimistic. People are skeptical. Yeah, it might have the result of making some people more pessimistic, but to be more realistic about this stuff so that we can maybe have enough people who say, you know what? I mean, interestingly, by the way,

02:20:08.000 right now, COVID shots were supposed to be given down to six months old. Not at this moment. It's stopped by RFK Jr. and the new administration, but it was supposed to be given down to six months old. And almost no parents did it. So that's something to be optimistic about. They just,

02:20:25.000 whatever their sense is, this thing didn't really help the vaccine industry as much as they probably hoped. I think it did the exact opposite. I think it opened up a lot of people's eyes to alternative ways of doing things. But the problem is with some school systems, your children must be fully vaccinated in order to attend, unless you have some sort of a religious exemption. No, even religious exemption is taken away in California. California. California is fucking nuts. Trying to take it away in. You want to move back? Oh, by the way,

02:20:55.000 another benefit I got, you're part of, which is that I came here to see you a few years ago, and then I drove to San Antonio. And I looked at some properties that were like old hotels because they were all empty during COVID time. They'd had problems. And we moved our company headquarters to San Antonio,

02:21:13.000 Texas, out of California. And that's been awesome, where you go and you meet with a building inspector and he says, hey, that looks good. Yeah, okay. As opposed to waiting eight months to get a no. I mean, the whole Texas thing is a gift from you that I'm so grateful for. And our company now is based in San Antonio as its headquarters. And we don't require vaccination,

02:21:34.000 needless to say. And we had one 31-year-old applicant fall down dead during the run. We have a physical, you know, a run for physical requirements, physical fitness requirements, vaccinated. And we did the testing for troponin and for D-dimer,

02:21:50.000 which is the cardiac indicators of cardiac problems. We did it for every applicant. And in the first 54 people, these are all young men who don't smoke. These are all fit people. In the first 54, 17 had to go to cardiologists. That's the true stat. And they had no idea there was anything wrong with them. No, and some of them, there wasn't anything. The D-Dimer test detects blood clots,

02:22:15.000 is that correct? It's for microclotting. And troponin and D-dimer are both cardiac indicators. And I'll tell you why I did it. I was having lunch with a very well-known doctor from Yale, who now has left Yale, one of the people who opposed the vaccine program and opposed the mandatory vaccines for college students, but not, you know, they were giving it to students, but not faculty. Jesus. Anyway, he said to me, I said,

02:22:42.000 we're not taking anybody and putting them through the physical fitness regimen to apply to our company if they were vaccinated in the last two weeks. And he said, well, where'd you get two weeks? I said, I read it in an article. I really don't know. He said, no, no, no. Two weeks isn't going to make any difference. You have to test them for D-dimer and troponin levels. So we started doing that, and then we did the entire company. Anybody who was vaccinated,

02:23:08.000 many people chose to be there coming out of the military. Can I be correct me if I'm wrong? Troponin levels are something that they measure for myocarditis correctly. Yeah. It's one of the cardiac markers in general,

02:23:20.000 in blood. And isn't one of the reasons why they were saying that more young people who were just infected by the virus had rates of higher rates of myocarditis than even people that were vaccinated. Remember they were trying to say that in the beginning? They did say it,

02:23:38.000 and it is bullshit. It is bullshit. But it was because of troponin levels, right? So measured during infection. Yeah, I don't know the answer, but it's possible. I know the answer that it is one of the things measured during infection. But they were calling it myocarditis when there wasn't anything. That makes sense. There wasn't a scan on the heart to see enlargement of the heart. Right. There wasn't,

02:23:58.000 you know, you can. They were just measuring troponin levels and they were saying, look, there's more myocarditis in people that are infected with the vaccine, or the virus rather, than the vaccine. Well, that is, I don't know all the details, but that is now dropped. In any case, they've dropped that defense because the reality is when you, there was a test done at the Cleveland Clinic of all the health care professionals before they were vaccinated and then all of them after. And they had had COVID. And so they had a baseline of how many had elevated D-dimer,

02:24:27.000 for example. And then afterwards, I'm not going to quote the stat because I just don't remember it. Many, many people had the elevated D-dimer afterwards who didn't have it before. So the vaccine, the idea that the vaccine, it's a good idea. It's what they always try, right? Which is to say the disease is worse than the thing you're being vaccinated against. By the way, the expert who told me to get everybody tested in my company, because they're young fit men and they're stressed physically. They're very often heavy exertion,

02:24:54.000 both through our academy and, of course, in the work, is Dr. Harvey Risch, just FYI. I just wanted to acknowledge that that's the guy. You couldn't have been more prominent and decorated and important up until he started taking positions against COVID. And then he eventually left Yale. He's still,

02:25:13.000 I think, emeritus professor there. But all those guys who were brave are really heroic, and some of them now are in NIH and FDA. Now, which is very interesting, right? Very interesting, interesting development. It's going to be interesting to see what they're able to accomplish over these four years. Well, I'll tell you a piece of it that is good for your listeners to hear,

02:25:39.000 and that is that a lot of things are being accomplished that the corporate media just doesn't report. So when, for example, when the ASIP committee decided to take mercury out of all vaccines, and Bobby did an impassioned presentation, a video asking all countries in the world to follow, many had already done it before, nobody reported that. No corporate media reported that. So there's a lot of things going on that people just don't,

02:26:04.000 they just aren't aware of and that are very valuable. You know, stopping a bunch of mRNA research projects that didn't look like they were promising and stopping fluoride in water, recommending against it,

02:26:17.000 all the things that are going on with foods. There's a lot going on there, but nobody will report it because if you didn't know this already, the corporate media hates Robert F. Kennedy Jr. a lot. And I wonder if it has anything to do with being funded by pharma. Who knows? It might have something to do with it. I saw a statistic that showed the percentage of mainstream news articles that were negative about him,

02:26:39.000 and it's bananas. It's in the 90s. Yeah. And we also, even when I was here last time, we put up that something over 90% of cable news channels are sponsored by Pharma. In fact, something like 80-something percent is just Pfizer all by itself. By the way, optimistic. So we moved my company to San Antonio. I'm so happy about it. My employees are so much happier about it. We operate all over the country,

02:27:07.000 but our training now is here. And we're always hiring. And we're now hiring in a state. We're hiring from anywhere in the country, but we're hiring in a state where people like something in common, freedom. Yeah. And in California, God bless California. I lived there for, you know, I was born there and most of my life. But holy shit. You've been to San Francisco? Holy shit. Yeah,

02:27:32.000 I don't even go anymore. It's too fucked up. I have friends that just went. They did shows there. They said it's hard to get people to go out because if you park your car anywhere, it's going to get broken into. And he was talking to the people that are there, and it's like, it's just a ghost town. Restaurants are closing. Everything's fucked up. Just people just refuse everywhere you look in the street. Just human waste and shit and piss. You're making it sound bad. It's just crazy how bad it got in such a short amount of time. Yeah. San Francisco,

02:28:00.000 too. You know, stores boarded up. And we're definitely in a time of social decay. And that is a reality that we all have to accept. And that is, by the way, also part of human nature. That's what empires do. Empires decay. I mean, it doesn't seem necessary if it's not everywhere. I think it's necessary. Oh, you mean necessary to have L.A. be that bad or San Francisco be that? Oh, no,

02:28:25.000 of course not. It can be corrected. It's just like, how are you not correcting? And everybody keeps voting the same way. It's just like, do you not see where this trend is headed? Like, you've got to do something radical to clean this up. Maybe Vic Caruso, I mean, Rick Caruso will run for mayor. He ran the last time. Maybe he'll run for governor. Yes, that's possible too. And he's an interesting, I know him and a very interesting guy. And I would vote for him and support him in every way I can. But it's possible because when these fires happened,

02:28:54.000 probably the most common thing you heard in L.A. was, oh, shit, I wish I'd voted for Rick Caruso. I mean, they'd voted for somebody that didn't have much history and just didn't do a great job around the fires. And, you know, it's sad to see that decay the way that it is, but I want to work on the optimistic part that I'm not there anymore. I stay in a hotel when I go there. It's so much fun because it reminds me every time I push the elevator button,

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 13, 2025

Joe Rogan Experience #2411 - Gavin de Becker

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