00:04:47.000There was an archaeologist that did an experiment in the 1930s, and they used these strings with the abrasives to cut off a piece of jade that was the size of a basketball.
00:04:58.000And it took them a week to cut the string all the way through that piece of jade.
00:05:05.000So the difference in the people that are listening, So, there's the bamboo experiment where they drilled into something with a bamboo and cord and some.
00:05:40.000And in this specific instance, it looks to me like the drill came from both directions.
00:05:46.000Like they flipped it over and drilled from the top and then flipped it over again and drilled from the bottom, and that's where it met in the middle.
00:06:15.000It's got a round tube in the middle, but the artifact in general is square.
00:06:20.000So it's just a very complex shape to create with that level of precision.
00:06:24.000And nephrite jade is a very hard stone.
00:06:28.000So it would have taken, you know, this is a, people in my space talk about the Mohs scale of hardness just as a way of saying diamonds are a 10, you know, different stone levels.
00:06:41.000The hard stone disks like diorite, that would be a six or seven.
00:06:50.000And so, is the idea, well, I'm just assuming the idea, is that there was a more sophisticated culture that probably existed predating that, and these are leftover artifacts?
00:07:05.000It is only my opinion that that's the case.
00:07:08.000I haven't seen a lot of people talk about these artifacts at all.
00:07:12.000Jamie, if you go back to the picture you had just flashed on the screen, the reason I've developed this theory, so.
00:07:19.000This is an image on the side of the largest sung tube.
00:07:39.000If you look at photos of the museum in Liangzhou, this image is everywhere.
00:07:45.000And I think that this was an image that was used by.
00:07:49.000The Liangzhu tribe is like the image of the king, basically.
00:07:53.000And so I, but I do believe that it was scratched over the top of an original, very interesting high relief carving that you see in a lot of other artifacts.
00:08:06.000So I think that he basically found this.
00:08:08.000It looks, it's something that they maybe could not recreate.
00:08:13.000And then they kind of stamped their kingly symbol over the top of it.
00:08:20.000It's common in Egypt as well, particularly this theory among alternative historians, because you look at the complexity of some of the sarcophaguses and some of the different things, and then you see the writing on the outside, which looks like cruder.
00:08:39.000It doesn't look like they use the same materials or the same utensils or tools.
00:08:46.000Yeah, and the question is if you had the ability, there's the King of Jade sung.
00:08:51.000So, if you had the ability to make an artifact in that kind of a shape, why would you not have also created the scratching over the top in that high quality version?
00:09:03.000So, why would you create the artifact like that and then just scratch over the top of it?
00:09:52.000So, how did you get down this road where you started looking at these objects and looking at the conventional historical timeline and saying something's wrong here?
00:10:32.000And especially in the British Museum, when you look at these with your own eyes and then you read the story of how they believe that they were made, it just doesn't add up.
00:10:42.000And so, all you have to do in any of these places is dig one or two levels down and you start to see a lot of inconsistencies.
00:10:51.000One or two levels, meaning that the older stuff is the more complex.
00:10:58.000With the way that the archaeologists have interpreted a lot of these sites, there's a whole lot of assumptions that are made.
00:11:07.000You know, there's carbon dating that only goes part way down.
00:11:11.000You know, they'll dig part way down, they'll date it, it matches their story, and they write the report.
00:11:16.000They'll take inscriptions, you know, especially in Cambodia, places like that, where a king has written an inscription and they'll say, yep, well, that king wrote on this, so this must have been made at this time.
00:11:28.000And there's really no further investigation.
00:11:32.000So, it's become a theme with my work where I'll go somewhere, specifically with the megalithic architecture.
00:11:42.000You can see exactly where the old architecture was built.
00:12:59.000And these are the sites that I think, if you're trying to make a case, or at least a strong enough case that people will consider, right, that there may be a different history than what we're being told, I think you have to have more than three examples.
00:13:15.000So, if you can start to do a lot of research on these sites all around the world, you can have thousands of examples of.
00:13:24.000Nubs, for example, or megalithic architecture that looks very similar.
00:13:29.000These walls that look very similar all over the world.
00:13:31.000And it just makes, in my mind, a much stronger case for it than just continuing to look at the same sites over and over again.
00:13:38.000It seems to me so much more likely that the timeline is incorrect than the historians are right and everyone else is just a conspiracy theorist, weirdo.
00:13:50.000The more you look at it, the more questions I have.
00:14:13.000And then you go, okay, well, how did they make this?
00:14:15.000What did they, and I saw a really wild YouTube video the other day where this guy was proposing that they used lasers and that it was all laser carved and that they had some sort of like super sophisticated laser setup back then.
00:14:27.000That's why you're not finding all the stone that it was.
00:14:34.000Look, I think that's absolutely possible.
00:14:38.000It sounds possible, but also so insane that we're so wrong about the linear timeline of human history that they had fucking lasers in India, like how many thousands of years ago that they were using to carve an entire massive, perfect temple out of rock?
00:14:56.000You know, I was just down at the Hoysala temples, which are in southern India, and they have these lathe turned pillars.
00:15:37.000And to think of the size of the machine that would be required, say you turn that pillar sideways, you connect it to a machine on each side, and you start lathing.
00:15:48.000Jamie, I have a folder in my India pictures that.
00:18:01.000When I'm looking at the precision of that and how many different pieces there are, I would love to know how uniform those are because it looks insane.
00:18:45.000Because, really, imagine if it's insanely precise, and then you have to explain that, too.
00:18:51.000Not just stone chisels and tools and stuff, but when you can see in the pillars, you can see where the lathe started at the bottom and you can see where it stopped at the top.
00:20:06.000Swarga Mandap of Kopeshwar temple are lathe turned with extremely uniform circular and polygonal profiles, showing high geometric precision and tight alignment despite being carved from stone without mortar joints.
00:20:21.000It says it resembles machine turned work.
00:20:32.000Pillars are laid out with consistent spacing in the circular hall so that the open oculus in the ceiling remains perfectly centered.
00:20:38.000Suggesting careful radial planning and load distribution.
00:20:42.000The temple uses interlocking stone and gravity rather than mortar.
00:20:45.000So, the precise fit of the pillars into bases and beams is critical to stability and is cited as an example of advanced medieval Indian stone engineering.
00:20:55.000One thing that's interesting when you go to these temples is you can see where they have moved these pillars into the temple.
00:21:02.000So, the core of most of these temples, in my opinion, is the original megalithic part of these temples, the oldest stuff.
00:21:10.000But you can see where these pillars have been moved into new temples.
00:21:13.000And so you'll see these crazy, precise, dark stones.
00:21:31.000But you can see where they moved these pillars from original temples, or maybe, who knows, maybe they found a workshop somewhere with these.
00:21:39.000And they put them in the center of the newer temples.
00:22:00.000Because the kings that ruled during that time period wrote inscriptions on the pillars in a lot of instances, on the sides of the temples, things like that.
00:24:26.000And then you go to India and there's carvings all over everything, right?
00:24:30.000And so I do believe that there are certain places in this world that are substantially older.
00:24:36.000And I believe that for Thousands of years civilizations have been attracted to these places and they build on top of them and they settle there.
00:24:45.000And so you just see generation after generation after generation of building on top of them.
00:24:49.000Well, it makes sense when you think about Kailasa because look how perfect it is now.
00:24:55.000And this is thousands of years after they attribute it to being built or at least a thousand years.
00:25:04.000Now, add a few thousand years to that, it's going to look exactly the same.
00:25:09.000And if you're just generation after generation, like, Not knowing who built it, and you get a version of, you know, this king said he did it, or this guy said he did it.
00:26:36.000I mean, they go to a site and they're like, gosh, maybe this feels a little older, but the only evidence I have are pot sherds that I can date.
00:26:44.000I can dig down and I can find cultural layers of cultures that, in my opinion, Lived there afterwards.
00:26:50.000They're dating that and they see inscriptions.
00:26:54.000That's the evidence that they have to make their case.
00:26:57.000But I do wonder how many of them are looking at these sites and saying, yeah, this actually doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
00:28:09.000Humans have been here a long, long, long time.
00:28:12.000And this is just indicative of this pattern that happens whenever anybody comes up with any sort of an alternative theory that doesn't come from the gated halls of academia.
00:28:25.000But academics have only been around for a few hundred years.
00:28:28.000Like we have to stop and think about how crazy it is that we've put the power in these people that we know are not always accurate, nor are they compromised, and they have ego problems.
00:28:37.000And they have this structure of the The people at the top that are giving out grants and giving out funding and giving PhDs and reading people's dissertations.
00:28:49.000It's like it's very social and it's very complex.
00:28:53.000And to deviate from the narrative is devastating for your career.
00:28:58.000Like if they can destroy the guy who proposed that Clovis I was incorrect, that guy was an academic.
00:29:13.000You know, I used to work in corporate America, and there were a lot of things that I thought that I absolutely never said.
00:29:20.000So, if you think about these young archaeologists, even if they see something and they think, gosh, I wish that I could dive into that and really explore how old this is, they're going to get shut down immediately, and their self preservation mechanisms are going to kick in because they've got a paycheck.
00:29:55.000Because when you see the attacks on guys like Graham Hancock and all these people that propose that this data that we should look at, that's just it.
00:30:04.000There's a bunch of data that confounds the timeline.
00:30:39.000They were just assholes that, in their spare time from killing antelopes, they decided they were going to build immense structures on the top of a hill.
00:30:48.000Well, don't you find it interesting that?
00:30:50.000The dating of Göbekli Tepe has not opened the door to redating other sites around the world.
00:30:56.000So, when you talk about the stuff in Egypt, nobody's really open to saying maybe this is 10,000 years old.
00:31:40.000Imagine the timeline of human history is so controversial that you're worried that it would ruin your career if you spoke accurately about your field of expertise, which is erosion and geology due to rainfall, thousands of years of rainfall.
00:31:55.000Well, thousands of years of rainfall means at the very least, the Sphinx is 9,000 years old.
00:32:02.000But that's probably way older than that because you have to have thousands of years of rainfall from the time that it was constructed to make these kind of deep fissures into this stone.
00:32:13.000And it was buried for much of its recent history, which means there was not erosion taking place the entire time it was buried.
00:32:27.000And if there was rain erosion like they're proposing, it had to have been when there was rainfall, significant rainfall in the Nile Valley.
00:33:27.000And we're just so filled with this desire to be correct and to enforce our narrative that we do it even with facts that are really significantly important for the entire world.
00:33:38.000And I think it's funny because it doesn't work.
00:33:41.000Because it's only opened the door to people like you and people like Derek and people like Graham Hancock and Ben Van Kirkwick and Jimmy Corsetti and all these people that Luke caverns, they just spend enormous amounts of time making this incredible content.
00:33:55.000Like all the stuff that Luke has done in the Americas and South America, like, good Lord, there's so many mysteries.
00:34:57.000So, what people think about this, there's a very well known practice where they would take boards and put them on children's heads to elongate their heads.
00:35:06.000The question is why were they doing that?
00:35:09.000And were they trying to emulate something that existed?
00:35:31.000Sagittal suture that's down the middle.
00:35:33.000So they're literally a different kind of skull.
00:35:35.000It's clearly human or some form of human, but it has more brain volume and it's built different than us.
00:35:44.000And everybody's like, I don't see anything.
00:35:48.000They're not like, hey, maybe there was a completely different species of human that existed along with us, just like Denisovans, just like Neanderthals, just like all these new ones that they keep finding fairly recently.
00:36:01.000Like the one they found in China, the big headed man.
00:36:14.000We don't have the full, we don't have all the data.
00:36:16.000And when you have these fucking big skulls and you're not even bringing that up, it makes me think like, are you afraid to look at this because then you have to admit that you really didn't know this and you were walking around saying you're an expert in the human timeline?
00:36:44.000We don't know what they were able to do.
00:36:47.000If you just unlock an additional 10% of your brain capacity, Joe Rogan's brain capacity, think of what, think of all of the connections you would make.
00:36:56.000Think about all of the things you could do that you can't do now.
00:36:59.000And now expand your brain volume by 30%, exactly like the movie you were doing.
00:40:20.000There's another one that's labeled Malta and you can see the view of it from the top and you can see how it looks completely different than any of the other.
00:40:29.000So here's an interesting thing that I'm not sure you've talked much about, Joe.
00:41:14.000Maybe they were trying to relieve pressure.
00:41:16.000Well, if your brain doesn't have all of the sutures that ours does and your brain is fusing, there are some theories that suggest that these people were losing their connection with consciousness.
00:41:30.000So, because their brains were so big, a lot of telepathy and things like that.
00:41:36.000So, if you cut a hole in a fused skull, you still have access, right?
00:41:43.000Allows you, I guess, more space in your skull to access what you used to access.
00:41:49.000So it's like relieving pressure in some way?
00:44:02.000That's a bunch of bullshit archaeologists got into AI and wrote some bad articles.
00:44:07.000When I saw that one with the little kid or the small thing with the big back of the dome, aren't there, or could that be explained by just like a random anomaly?
00:45:32.000The point is, those eyes would be fucking enormous.
00:45:36.000If that person was in front of you, And they had skin on with those eye sockets and that head, you'd be like, yo, you know, I want you to meet my friend Mike.
00:48:16.000I mean, if the brain is what differentiates us from all the other intelligent animals on this planet, and a human, it looks just like a human, but different, has a brain that much bigger than ours.
00:48:40.000The only museum I've been to in the world that has any sign that indicates it may have been alien is Malta.
00:48:47.000When you walk into the museum in Malta, it actually has a poster that talks about the lack of the sagittal suture, it has a picture of an alien on it.
00:48:59.000A lot of these museums, especially the ones in southern Peru, They've sort of tucked them away.
00:49:03.000They've put them in dark cases so it's harder to take pictures of them.
00:49:07.000You can't, they're not out there in the open where it's easy to pop around each side of it.
00:49:11.000They're probably worried about them getting stolen, too.
00:49:15.000There's an issue that I've been informed about with ancient artifacts that there's a whole underground market where really wealthy people want to buy Egyptian artifacts.
00:49:27.000And there's a lot of scandals involved with a lot of these people that are in charge of these artifacts where artifacts go missing and people get rich.
00:49:37.000And, you know, they sell books that nobody buys, and all of a sudden they have a mansion.
00:49:43.000And if you're on a government salary and you can slip one of these vases away and sell it, you're going to make a lot more money than you're going to make working for the government.
00:50:25.000Like, whatever the structure that's, unless they have an enormous head and a little tiny body, if they have a proportionate head to their body, you're looking at a seven, eight foot tall person.
00:52:16.000Think about all we know about the dinosaurs.
00:52:18.000It's amazing how much work they've done, it's amazing how many dinosaurs they've documented.
00:52:22.000But if you look at the amount of dinosaurs that actually lived over the Hundreds of millions of years, hundreds of millions of years that dinosaurs roam the earth.
00:52:31.000There's a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction, a tiny fraction of these dinosaurs that we find that are fossilized.
00:52:39.000Most of them are gone forever, including who knows how many species that we're completely unaware of.
00:53:24.000He went to school, got a degree, and was like, I think there's more to this.
00:53:28.000And I think I could do a better job doing a YouTube channel where I just research these things thoroughly and provide you with a very balanced perspective on how.
00:53:37.000Crazy, all this stuff is, and how none of this really makes sense if you use the conventional timeline.
00:53:43.000And people are hungry for that information.
00:55:18.000And for them to not even consider that and to just dismiss them, and it's just lucky that guys like Robert Chalk had tenure, and lucky also that he wasn't an archaeologist.
00:55:28.000And what are they going to fault him for his methods, the way he did it, what he said?
00:55:31.000No, you can't really because it's pretty rock solid.
00:55:35.000We should be leaning on these geologists and saying, what do you see?
00:55:39.000And then informing our theories based on what they're saying, not the other way around.
00:55:43.000Ben Van Kerkwick has done amazing work on some of the erosion that's around some of the.
00:55:50.000The pyramids and some of the bases of some of the structures around the pyramid, and that it seems like there's many levels of construction, and that the oldest, oldest stuff has a preposterous amount of erosion like, an insane amount of erosion.
00:56:57.000And when people use the conventional timeline to date it, it's not, it's amazing and it's beautiful, but it's not as crazy.
00:57:06.000When you really, if you take into consideration that no one really knows when it was built and the possibility that it's actually 11,000 years old, 12,000 years old, maybe even older, it almost kind of makes sense.
00:57:27.000And the temples or the towers inside the core of Ankar Wat, in my personal opinion, the core of Ankar Wat, it's got three different layers.
01:03:22.000It started to tell me, like, that's kind of, like, okay, but then it started to get, and it was like, actually, the hardest part with this is going to be removing all of that rock.
01:03:42.000The amount of stone that can be removed every day.
01:03:45.000And it just would have taken, it is even, 250 people is a fourth of the potential, the number they tried to destroy it with for three years.
01:05:07.000And walking on these sites, it's the same thing I was talking about earlier.
01:05:12.000I like to hire local guides just to hear what's the story.
01:05:17.000That they're telling you what is the official history.
01:05:20.000And the story that they told me just doesn't match what you see with your own eyes, right?
01:05:25.000So they say that the earliest civilizations, they're built in brick and then they built with stone.
01:05:31.000Over time, they developed the ability to build with stone.
01:05:34.000But all of the brick is on top of the stone, it's on top of these massive pyramids, right?
01:05:40.000So it doesn't make sense that the oldest stuff is at the top.
01:05:43.000So I started sort of questioning the history of Cambodia.
01:05:47.000I got into these LIDAR results, which are really fascinating.
01:05:50.000I mean, they discovered entire unknown cities in Cambodia with LIDAR.
01:05:56.000So, on top of the Kulin Mountains, which is the plateau where they quarry all of the stone for Ankar Wat, all the sandstone, there was an entire massive city on top of that plateau that they had no idea was there.
01:06:10.000There were pyramids, there were 2,000 acre reservoirs, there were mound fields, there were massive causeways, and it was all just hidden under the The trees, the jungle.
01:06:24.000So it's, you know, in 2012, sort of the cat was out of the bag in Cambodia.
01:06:30.000And what's interesting is it should have made international headlines.
01:06:34.000You know, these spiral embankments that are a mile long on the south side of Ankar Wat, nobody knows what they are.
01:06:40.000Nobody has a good explanation for what they are.
01:06:42.000Archaeologists say, you know, maybe it was a garden feature, maybe it was fishing.
01:06:50.000And in my mind, you don't build mile long.
01:06:53.000Earthen embankments in a shape of a perfect spiral, unless you have a very specific reason for doing that.
01:07:03.000I'm starting to put together a theory about, I think it all had to do with water.
01:07:09.000They were channeling water down from the Kulin Mountains, which is about 50 miles away from Ankar Wat.
01:07:16.000They were channeling water down, building 16 kilometer diversion channels, taking the water way out of the way, running them through mound fields into these giant reservoirs.
01:07:28.000All of these reservoirs have pyramids connected to them.
01:07:33.000And it's one system after another of reservoirs with temples in the middle, pyramids connected to the outside.
01:07:39.000It feels like a massive industrial undertaking.
01:10:05.000I was on a tour with Derek Olson last November, and we actually took the tour group out to the corner of Anchor Wat and walked those mounds.
01:10:15.000And what's interesting is when you're out there, you actually can't tell that the mounds are there until you're Kind of on top of them, and then you look around and you're like, Wow, I'm feet above the rest of the landscape.
01:10:26.000And then you kind of keep walking because these things are 30 feet across, so you keep walking, and then suddenly you're at the bottom of the landscape.
01:10:31.000So I don't think that they knew it was there.
01:10:34.000Wow, it's so big that without LIDAR, you're really not going to get an understanding.
01:10:40.000So that picture, um, yeah, so there's a good example of the jungle canopy being kind of stripped away.
01:10:46.000This is what it looks like from the air without LIDAR.
01:13:35.000So it's that's so interesting that the people that probably built it first had no interest in war, no interest in war, or at least had a very enlightened perspective.
01:13:48.000It does support, you know, the idea of, I know you've talked about the yuga cycles on this show, but the idea of human consciousness having reached its peak 12,000 years ago and has just been slowly devolving ever since.
01:14:04.000You can see that in the imagery in some of these temples, plain as day.
01:14:08.000So, yeah, there's a lot of images of, you know, war scenes on the outer, like all of the outer layers of Angkor Wat, but in the middle, it's totally different.
01:14:48.000There's reconstructions that have happened on all these sites that are brick, and then there's going to be, there's wood.
01:14:54.000Doorways that are put in, and they've carbon dated the wood.
01:14:58.000And the wood in a lot of instances is coming back older than the accepted date of the temple construction in general, which is a little bit problematic.
01:15:06.000So, like, there's a pyramid called Bacong, which is the oldest accepted pyramid in Cambodia.
01:15:50.000And it's a bit of a circular argument because they date a temple based on an inscription and then they look at other temples that don't have inscriptions and they say, well, this one looks a lot like this one.
01:15:59.000So, they place it in the same time period.
01:16:02.000So, it just becomes this big circular logic of all of it fits the story neatly.
01:16:06.000You know, based on one inscription, that seems so silly.
01:16:10.000Yeah, it really just doesn't make sense.
01:16:12.000It seems much more likely that there's a giant mystery.
01:16:15.000Yes, yeah, and especially when you look at the difference in the artwork and the way it looks.
01:16:40.000So, I was recently in India a couple weeks ago, and I saw something there that was the most impressive thing I've seen with my own two eyes.
01:17:24.000There's, you know, the jury's out on whether it was moved there, built somewhere else and moved there, or whether this was built at the top of the hill from living stone.
01:17:36.000But in my mind, this thing is clearly machined.
01:20:38.000Yeah, it says, like, I'll let you read it.
01:20:41.000Buildings of temples by the Khmer kings was a means of legitimizing their claim to political office and also to lay claim to the protection and powers of the gods.
01:20:49.000Hindu temples are not a place of religious congregation, instead, they are homes of the gods.
01:20:53.000In order for a king to lay claim to his political office, he had to prove that the gods did not support his predecessors or his enemies.
01:21:01.000To this end, the king had to build the grandest temple palace for the gods.
01:21:05.000One that proved to be more lavish than any previous temples.
01:21:08.000In doing so, the king could make visible his ability to harness the energy and resources to construct the temple and assert that his temple was the only place that a god would consider residing in on earth.
01:21:20.000Interestingly, in Cambodia, all of the pyramids were the first structures claimed by the kings.
01:21:29.000So the first king built the first pyramid, the second king built the second pyramid.
01:21:33.000So, what I think they were doing is they were going into this landscape and they were finding these incredibly sophisticated pyramids.
01:21:39.000And just like that paragraph suggests, they said, wow, this is the coolest thing I can find around.
01:21:46.000And then once all the pyramids were taken, they started claiming the berets.
01:21:50.000They started claiming the really nice temples.
01:21:52.000There's a temple called Bantye Sre, which is a red sandstone temple.
01:21:56.000It's beautiful, it's one of the coolest places I've ever been.
01:22:00.000They claimed all of these places first.
01:22:02.000So all of the coolest stuff in Cambodia is the oldest.
01:22:05.000And then once everything was claimed, they started building new ones, like that Bayon temple that you saw with the faces and the smaller stones.
01:22:15.000So that's what I think happened in Cambodia.
01:22:17.000Jamie, can you go back once again to that giant statue and the inscriptions on it?
01:22:23.000Those inscriptions are weird because it's so shitty.
01:22:26.000Like, look how bad the lines are, how squiggly they are and broken up.
01:28:48.000When you go into their ancient scriptures and you read about things like Vimanas, like the flying crafts, and.
01:28:59.000We were talking the other day about they had some sort of a description that seems to sound like a nuclear bomb, and you had to use it for very specific reasons, and you had to get authority to use it.
01:29:15.000In my Cambodia folder, there's some photos of it.
01:29:18.000So, in most of the Indian temples, there's a Shiva Lingam that's usually described as a male component inside a female component, so it's meant to represent both sides of the polarities.
01:29:32.000And they're They're at the entrance of most of these temples and they're small.
01:29:36.000They're maybe like two or three feet long.
01:29:38.000But in Cambodia, there are giant Shivalingams.
01:29:42.000There are ones that are, you know, probably almost 20 feet long.
01:29:46.000And you can see those at sites like Kokhare.
01:29:49.000You can see them at the top of Phnom Penh Mountain, which is right by one of the big berets.
01:29:54.000In India, the Shivalingams are even bigger.
01:29:57.000If you go to the ancient texts and they talk about these things, they describe them as infinite pillars of light and fire.
01:30:05.000So, are these Shiva lingam, these giant Shiva lingams, actually?
01:30:10.000They're not, I don't believe that they're what we say they are today.
01:30:13.000I think that they were extremely powerful.
01:30:22.000But if you look at modern day stonework and then you tie it into the old myths, you know, that's when it becomes really, really interesting to me.
01:30:31.000Yeah, so that Shiva lingam that the man is standing on in the top right photo, that's at Hampi in India.
01:30:44.000This, you know, very megalithic temples.
01:30:46.000The one in the bottom right, that's not AI.
01:30:48.000That's a real photo of these Shiva lingams.
01:30:52.000That one's 40 feet high, originally in a roofless temple by large bodies of water.
01:31:00.000Were these actually, I mean, I think that these were all something very different than what we're being told today, which is just, you know, a spiritual carving.
01:31:12.000So you think this has something to do with energy and that's why they're surrounded by water?
01:31:17.000Yeah, I mean, in the ancient texts, they're described as an infinite.
01:32:24.000The way we've progressed to get to where we are now is through internal combustion engines and transistors and all these different technologies that we have right now.
01:32:37.000There could have been a completely different direction that they went in and achieved similar or more spectacular sophistication in this different direction.
01:32:53.000Fairly sick society in terms of our value system and you know what we, you know, we're a mess, yes, like objectively, yes, mentally, physically, we're as sick as we've ever been.
01:33:04.000It's the only reason our lifespan is increasing is because we've overcome it with technology, yeah, right, right.
01:33:10.000We're as sick as we've ever been, as unhappy as we've ever been.
01:33:13.000I think that's part of the reason that the powers that be don't want us talking about golden ages, right?
01:33:24.000That if you can convince today's society that we are the best we've ever been, life is as good as it's ever been, that's much more palatable than we are as sick as we've ever been.
01:33:38.000Do you think that people are actively trying to enforce that narrative because of that, or do you think they're just reinforcing their own current beliefs?
01:34:05.000I think they try to discredit some things and they do it very disingenuously, like some of the people that have gone after Graham Hancock.
01:34:11.000The things they say are really kind of crazy.
01:34:13.000But I think they're doing it because they're trying to reinforce their own closely held beliefs and this gatekeeping of information, being the person that's the expert.
01:34:24.000You know, this appeal to expertise in an area where you have very little data.
01:34:29.000It's like you really can't be an expert in something that you, you know, especially like timelines of stone.
01:34:45.000I don't think they're trying to promote it because they think that we want to establish that human beings today are sick and let's not pay attention to an enlightened golden age when people were different and they were concentrating much more on the spiritual aspects of human life.
01:35:03.000And they had deities that were spectacular and they had technology that was above and beyond.
01:35:10.000I think they're just not willing to entertain it.
01:35:15.000That's like what they say about science, that science moves on and progresses one funeral at a time.
01:35:54.000Not only that, they use that technology to accurately get the dimensions of things like that particle collider that's 1.2 kilometers into a mountain.
01:36:05.000So, if they have that and they can use that on a known specific structure, they know the dimensions of it, and then they get a reading that's the exact dimensions of that specific structure, it's because technology works.
01:36:29.000He just basically announced that he discovered a second sphinx.
01:36:34.000And if you look at the layout of the Giza Plateau, it actually makes sense that a second sphinx would be there.
01:36:40.000The structures under the pyramid are very difficult to prove out because you have to dig or excavate under the pyramid to do that.
01:36:48.000The second sphinx, if it's there, is simply buried by a pile of sand.
01:36:53.000So that would be a very easy thing to dig out and to prove yes, Filippo Biondi is his technology is showing something that's actually there.
01:37:03.000What does the second Sphinx look like in the images?
01:37:07.000He just had a conference in Italy, and his translated version of his talk at this conference just came out, I think, yesterday or the day before.
01:37:18.000And he shows all of these scans that he's done from space.
01:37:24.000He kind of puts them together and shows the shape of the structure that I'm seeing under the ground looks a whole lot like the existing Sphinx.
01:37:33.000And he actually used AI and ran probabilities against his scans.
01:37:37.000And so he went to Grok and Google Gemini and all of the different AIs and effectively said, if you look at my data, what do you think the odds are of a Sphinx being under the sand?
01:37:49.000And AI came back in almost every instance higher than 80% probability that it is a Sphinx.
01:38:01.000And like I said, all you have to do is so when they excavated the tombs that are right next to where Biondi believes the Sphinx is, they took all of the sand from those and piled it directly on top of the Sphinx, not knowing it was there.
01:38:15.000And so you just need to move this sand out of the way and dig down, and you can prove whether it's there or not.
01:38:31.000So that's when they excavated those tombs.
01:38:34.000They took that sand and they piled it there.
01:38:36.000So, initially, when Biondi talked about this, like on Matt Bell's podcast, when he announced this, people came out immediately and said, What he thinks he's seeing is actually a modern pile of soil.
01:38:49.000But what he's showing is below that in his scans.
01:38:53.000So, I think it's a big opportunity for the people in Egypt to go out, do a little mission, dig down, see what's there.
01:40:00.000Yeah, so if the entire Sphinx is buried, I guess my point is it's very hard to prove his claims of what's under the pyramids because that's a.
01:40:10.000Look, there's a picture of a real excavation.
01:40:16.000You could easily see giving a different geographic layout, you know, different topographical layout, that if the whole body could be covered, well, if you're in a different place and the sand comes in in a different way and it piles up even higher.
01:40:30.000It's on the west side of the Giza Plateau.
01:40:33.000The current Sphinx is on the east side.
01:40:35.000And then you have the two pyramids in the middle.
01:40:37.000So it is possible that sand could have just covered that over thousands and thousands of years.
01:41:15.000And I think, you know, if you think about where this field is going in the next five or 10 years, And think about the opportunities with AI and all of this technology.
01:41:25.000Look what was uncovered in Cambodia with LiDAR.
01:41:28.000Look what's happening in Egypt with scans from space.
01:41:31.000If you take AI and you start to compile, you know, I used to work for a mining company, and mining companies use LiDAR or forestry companies or environmental companies.
01:41:43.000They all scan the earth, right, with LiDAR.
01:41:46.000If you could use AI to compile all of the scans all over the world, imagine what you could start to identify that nobody's identified before as ancient.
01:41:57.000I think you could fundamentally change this discussion in the next five years just using AI and different kinds of technology that we've never been able to do in human history.
01:42:07.000We can translate untranslatable texts.
01:42:39.000You know, not just the languages that we don't know how to translate, like Rongo Rongo script in Easter Island, but translatable script that nobody's paid attention to.
01:42:56.000And I personally believe in the next 10 years, there are going to be extraordinary discoveries that I think it's going to be very hard to argue that we need to at least re examine our history.
01:44:19.000And the idea that different places don't have different energy is just one of those things that people like to say that we've got a clear understanding of what energy is and what, you know, what is different about these different places.
01:45:41.000How bad are jobs that it's better to have no food and be sitting on a mountain for four days to get your head straight?
01:45:46.000What I'll say about that experience is I think that.
01:45:50.000Humans don't let themselves get completely silent any longer.
01:45:55.000So, what you're saying about nature healing you, you know, over the course of three days, your body gets very weak and the voices get a lot quieter.
01:46:04.000And suddenly, really, the only thing you hear is your soul or God or whatever word you have for it.
01:46:11.000And you watch the stars pass at night and you're sitting there all day.
01:46:15.000And it was one of the most special experiences I've ever had.
01:48:05.000Well, when you think about ancient civilizations and how much time they spent in ritual.
01:48:10.000And how important these things were to them, and how they had this very strange connection.
01:48:16.000Like a lot of these ancient structures, particularly like the Aztec structures and Egyptian structures, they mirror the constellations.
01:48:23.000And so they had an understanding of their place in this universe.
01:48:29.000They knew how to make these temples so that the pillars, the summer solstice, the sun would part through the middle of the pillars and light these corridors.
01:48:45.000A specific time of the year was the longest day of the year.
01:48:48.000The knowledge that the sun's moving in the sky, but it'll be back on this day, and this is where it's got to be, so this is where we have to build.
01:50:13.000I wonder what humans are like if we're not on this path that we're on.
01:50:19.000You know, with propaganda and gaslighting and technology and being inundated with just nonsense all the time and wrapped up in materialism and brands and bullshit and popularity.
01:50:34.000I think we're in touch with each other.
01:50:36.000I think we're in touch with the earth.
01:50:38.000I think we have a deep relationship with God.
01:50:41.000It's all of the things that people are still searching for today.
01:50:44.000We just feel fully disconnected from it.
01:50:47.000And I think that's why these ancient sites are so appealing to people.
01:50:51.000You know, white people travel all over the world to see them.
01:50:54.000It creates a sense of wonder and awe in us that very few other things do.
01:52:24.000One of the things we talked about the other day was that there's.
01:52:28.000A bunch of different cultures that have a timeline of the kings where they ruled for thousands and thousands of years.
01:52:39.000Like one king ruled for thousands of years.
01:52:42.000And then you have the flood, and then you have the ages of these people drop off pretty radically and then becomes a normal age like human beings.
01:52:51.000And we look at that and we go, oh, well, that's just myth back then until it's history.
01:52:57.000And it's the same texts, like in the same depictions of these kings.
01:53:03.000They have accepted dates, you know, the 5,000 year ago, 4,000 year ago kings.
01:53:15.000Like I was talking about earlier, there are 24 Tirthankaras.
01:53:18.000All 24 have lived, according to the Jains, but archaeology has only recognized the last two of them because those were the only, you know, the timelines and their lifespans.
01:54:15.000I'm like, this is the most bizarre depiction of a human story.
01:54:21.000The Watchers came down and mated with the daughters of men and created the Nephilim, who were giants who destroyed and consumed everything and were wiped out by the flood.
01:54:33.000And the accepted biblical texts barely hint at that.
01:57:21.000But you got to imagine with technology.
01:57:23.000So they're working right now in life extension technology, and they've already figured out a way to reverse the age of skin cells, and they're on their path.
01:57:30.000To be able to stop human aging and maybe potentially even reverse it.
01:57:35.000If that technology becomes implemented.
01:57:49.000He got his ass kicked by a basketball player.
01:57:52.000But if you can imagine this technology being implemented in the future and then being refined and then getting to a point where they really have it mastered, You know, like we have with so many medical interventions that we have today, you could get to a point where someone could live to a thousand years or several thousand years.
01:58:09.000And if you're the king, of course, you're going to want that technology.
01:58:12.000And you're also going to be very protected, so you don't have to worry about dying in other ways unless somebody usurps you.
01:58:19.000So you can, like, the Sumerian Kings list and some of these, like the Zeptepi list, you look at that and you go, well, what are they saying?
01:58:54.000Well, I don't think that's going to happen, but I think you're going to extend life.
01:58:57.000You're going to extend biological life in a significant manner, and maybe for the sake of looking at things through rose colored glasses, maybe that's a good thing.
01:59:16.000While you're wrapped up in it, And then, if you have responsibilities, you get married, you have a family, you have a mortgage, you have a bunch of.
01:59:22.000There's no time to recognize how fruitless a lot of your thinking and behavior and how stupid a lot of the things that people concentrate on.
01:59:31.000But as you get older and older, you get better at it.
01:59:33.000I'm way better at it now than I was 20 years ago.
02:02:35.000Jamie, I don't know these off the top of my head, but they've done studies that talk about basically the lifespan extension that happens with men when they have a woman in their life.
02:04:34.000Well, it's because everyone's doing it and you want to be a part of it.
02:04:37.000And there's like some good feeling of community to where everyone's kneeling at the same time and saying the same things.
02:04:43.000There's something to that that, like, is very profound with human beings.
02:04:48.000And if it's directed in the wrong way, it could be incredibly destructive.
02:04:52.000But if it's directed in the right way, If it's real ceremony and real worship and real openness to the cosmos and to God and to spirituality, like real true understanding, real connection with the universe, then it's probably a lot better than the way we're doing it.
02:08:03.000And you, so the land itself, where they built a lot of these ancient places, is powerful.
02:08:10.000You know, I don't think it's a coincidence that we see the Moai and Easter Island built around this absolutely incredible place or Cusco, which is such a beautiful place.
02:08:20.000That you see these stone walls, I think that they built there because of the energy that was there already.
02:09:09.000It certainly could have been a part of the point because what we're doing today, when we talk about our society being sick and superficial and silly, all of our structures are temporary and they're ugly.
02:09:55.000The timeline that we're looking at, if you're looking at pre flood timeline, you know, 11,000, 12,000 years ago, things were sophisticated.
02:10:12.000And this is one of the things that people are proposing when they look at anatomically modern human beings.
02:10:18.000So, anatomically modern human beings, and then not these Peru skulls, but whatever just you and I are, they've pushed that back now to 1 million years.
02:10:28.000So, okay, why did it take so long before people just like you and I figured out?
02:10:34.000Agriculture, figured out civilization, figured out cities.
02:10:53.000And when you look at the immense erosion that Ben Van Kirkwick has pointed out to the really older stones in Egypt, where you can clearly see they've built on top of them on the outside, when you see this intense erosion, like.
02:11:07.000This is tens of thousands of years of erosion.
02:11:45.000I mean, we know that 70,000 years ago, the Toba volcano, the super volcano, wiped people out down to the point with less than 100,000 people on Earth.
02:12:42.000At what point in time do you stop and say, look, A lot of these people did great work and they made these conclusions based on the understanding that they had at the time.
02:12:52.000But as time has gone on, there's come a point where we have to reevaluate this.
02:12:58.000And if you don't reevaluate it, you're going to lose all the respect of the people that are paying attention.
02:13:02.000Because there's too many people that are looking at this and saying, hey, no one's discounting or discrediting your work.
02:13:37.000And as LIDAR improves and as the radio tomography and all these different things that they come up with, and then imagine the advances 10, 20, 30 years from now in their ability to look, like, look at Sub Saharan Africa.
02:14:15.000You know, they just did that in Cambodia and it's not headline news around the world that there are entire cities being found in the Amazon jungle or in Cambodia.
02:14:25.000It just is one quick headline and then everybody ignores it.
02:14:28.000Well, it's good for us because it gives us great podcast content.
02:15:37.000Parts of it really look like it's stacked stones.
02:15:40.000I think that, you know, during the Ice Age in North America, it was an extremely harsh time with walls of ice, right?
02:15:48.000So if the Younger Dryas happened the way that I believe it happened, North America would have been just almost wiped clean.
02:15:56.000You know, if so, if there were ancient structures here, they probably didn't survive the way that they did in Egypt and other places like that.
02:16:03.000Certainly not under the glaciers, right?
02:16:05.000That's a beautiful example I just found.
02:16:28.000Yeah, they're assuming that maybe as a hiding place for Jews when they were being persecuted and taken out of there, but according to this, no explanation.
02:16:40.000It's just in the middle of the desert.
02:21:04.000But in front of all of the temples in Cambodia, there are giant naga, which is like the seven or nine headed snakes, and they guard the liminal space between the outside world and the temples.
02:27:20.000I saw you talking to Taylor Sheridan about arrowheads, and I thought to myself, I wonder if Joe would like to hold a 9,500 year old spear point.
02:27:31.000It's pretty incredible, too, when you think about the history of North America, that when Europe and China and all these other parts of the world had developed sophisticated civilizations and machines and all these different things.
02:27:47.000And these people were living a very nomadic hunter gatherer life, like essentially in the Stone Age, all the way up to the 1600s, 1700s until.
02:28:43.000North America in particular, because of the fact that up until 11,000 years ago was covered in ice, most of North America was covered in like a mile high of ice.
02:29:13.000And then if you look at Randall Carlson's done an amazing job of like.
02:29:17.000Sort of illuminating, like, what kind of a mass of water it would have sent rushing through the entire country at the time that these things were almost instantaneously melted.
02:29:56.000My husband's from North Idaho, and you can see all of the ancient remains of these lakes, you know, these ice dams that burst, just float over the landscape.
02:30:04.000And I think Randall Carlson is especially gifted in describing these events, making it real for us.
02:30:25.000That was my first introduction to the Younger Dries impact theory.
02:30:30.000And that's when it started putting all the pieces together.
02:30:32.000Okay, well, that's what ended civilization.
02:30:35.000And now that we know that that's a real event, because of core samples, because they find layers of iridium, which is very common in space, very rare on Earth, and these micro diamonds that appear when you have impacts.
02:31:28.000That's the weirdness of things like Egypt.
02:31:32.000When you look at the pyramids and the dimensions and how the dimensions align with the You know, the dimensions of Earth and the distances to the moon.
02:31:41.000And yeah, it's all, the whole thing's very weird.
02:32:23.000And if it wasn't for people like you and other people that are doing similar things, most people would be very blissfully unaware of how nuts the actual physical history of the earth is.
02:33:09.000I don't think it was as easy to do that back in the day.
02:33:11.000You know, even the people that were deep into the research in Egypt in the 1800s weren't traveling to Peru.
02:33:19.000We are at a very unique time in history where we can look across all of it, especially in the next 10 years when we're leveraging AI and other technologies from space based scanning or whatever.
02:33:30.000I think it's going to fundamentally change the way that we view the history of the world.