The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2529 - Zach Bush

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00:00:14.000 I'll stick with the water for now.

00:00:16.000 I've never figured out how to do the coffee thing.

00:00:18.000 You never figured out coffee?

00:00:19.000 No.

00:00:20.000 Do tea things.

00:00:20.000 Really?

00:00:22.000 Well, drink tea.

00:00:23.000 Tea's nice.

00:00:23.000 Tea's probably better for you, I guess.

00:00:25.000 But, man, it's so hard to know.

00:00:27.000 Well, here, I'll ask you because you're a health expert.

00:00:31.000 How convenient.

00:00:32.000 Because there's all this conflicting information about coffee.

00:00:35.000 Like some people say coffee is really good for you.

00:00:37.000 It's like an amazing antioxidant and it's all these positive health benefits.

00:00:42.000 And other people say, no, it dehydrates you.

00:00:45.000 It's bad for you.

00:00:46.000 It's too much caffeine.

00:00:47.000 It's bad for you.

00:00:48.000 What do you think?

00:00:50.000 I mean, I think this is one of the next advancements of humankind.

00:00:53.000 We're going to stop demonizing anything nature's provided and we're going to start looking at our relationship to it instead.

00:00:59.000 And I think it's fundamentally your relationship to coffee that's going to determine whether it's a health benefit or detrimental to who you are.

00:01:06.000 There's been so many fad diets, so many fad moments, and the science has never supported any of it.

00:01:12.000 The science is always looking at the human system as if it's an isolated system, then studies the impact of a chemical, caffeine or otherwise, on it.

00:01:21.000 You're not an isolated system.

00:01:23.000 And so, if coffee is part of a complex ecosystem of your microbiome, the soil systems of your body, then it's going to supercharge you into health.

00:01:31.000 But if coffee sits there as a drug that is bypassing the felt sense of being human, Then you're probably undermining your potential to be alive fully, and it's becoming a distraction to life.

00:01:44.000 Or you're doing your best to be a good office worker.

00:01:48.000 Which is why it's the one drug they provide at work.

00:01:51.000 Exactly.

00:01:51.000 If you're committed to machine like behavior, it's your best asset.

00:01:54.000 It is kind of interesting that caffeine is the one drug that is provided at most offices.

00:02:01.000 I would say that that's indirectly true.

00:02:03.000 I think that the one drug that's most provided at offices is actually performance based, machine like reward systems.

00:02:12.000 Okay, so human ingrained drugs.

00:02:15.000 Yeah, the brain contains every neural chemical you'd want to control behavior.

00:02:21.000 And so we've created office environments that reward machine like behavior for 150 years.

00:02:27.000 And so this is how we've ended up looking like we do as a humankind.

00:02:30.000 Yeah, very bizarre pattern that we found ourselves in that was created to make better office workers.

00:02:37.000 So we've molded human behavior around office work.

00:02:40.000 We've molded human behavior around the one thing that people really.

00:02:44.000 For the most part, don't want to be doing, which is terrible.

00:02:47.000 I was blessed to sit by thousands of deathbeds.

00:02:50.000 My third subspecialty in medicine was hospice.

00:02:53.000 Sat by thousands of deathbeds, and not a single person ever told me a day of their life in an office.

00:02:59.000 They just don't even remember it.

00:03:01.000 It consumed 40 hours a week of their life, and it just is a.

00:03:06.000 I can't compute.

00:03:06.000 It doesn't integrate into your soul experience at the end of things.

00:03:10.000 Yeah, even if you're making a ton of money, at the end of the day, you're still locked up.

00:03:16.000 For eight hours a day, doing something you probably don't want to do.

00:03:20.000 You know?

00:03:21.000 We're getting into a big piece right here.

00:03:22.000 Like, this is really the secret of everything when did humans become abstract?

00:03:27.000 When did we stop being living systems?

00:03:30.000 So, do you think that that's just our ego, our delusions that allow us to think that we're not a system?

00:03:40.000 That we're just, this is me, I'm Mike, I know what I'm doing.

00:03:43.000 I'm just going to drink my coffee and go to work because that's what you do.

00:03:47.000 You have a job, you get it done.

00:03:49.000 And then there's like these narratives that get reinforced in the media.

00:03:52.000 Like the guy who shows up for work every day doing a job that sucks, that guy's a hero, right?

00:03:56.000 We love those guys.

00:03:57.000 That's it.

00:03:58.000 That's it. 1.00

00:03:59.000 The guy that writes poetry and sits in his backyard, oh, fucking hippie. 1.00

00:03:59.000 And you're rewarded for that. 1.00

00:04:04.000 You know, that ne'er do well. 0.98

00:04:05.000 He's not, unless he sells a bunch of books. 0.99

00:04:08.000 And then we're like, the guy was a genie.

00:04:10.000 You know, then he's going to rest Thompson.

00:04:10.000 Yes.

00:04:14.000 I think what you said about the relationship to coffee is really important because I think that could be the case with virtually everything in life.

00:04:22.000 You know, like there's, you could get addicted to almost anything and you could use something, anything as a crutch, whether it's so many people use food.

00:04:30.000 I mean, food is probably one of the biggest ones humans use. 0.99

00:04:33.000 You don't feel good, have some fucking food. 0.99

00:04:35.000 Eat some food you don't want, you shouldn't be eating. 1.00

00:04:38.000 But you're like, fuck it, I'm having ring dings. 1.00

00:04:40.000 I'm tired. 1.00

00:04:41.000 Today sucked at work. 0.90

00:04:43.000 You know, I'm having a hot dog on the way home, right? 0.97

00:04:46.000 That's exactly right.

00:04:47.000 And I think that's why you've done 2,800 podcasts or something like this.

00:04:51.000 You've been at this for 16 years.

00:04:54.000 And I think this podcast is ready for the most disruptive conversation that's ever been had.

00:04:59.000 Is that this one right here?

00:05:00.000 That's this one.

00:05:01.000 Okay.

00:05:02.000 What's the most disruptive thing that you could say in the most disruptive conversation that's ever been had?

00:05:07.000 Everything is perfect.

00:05:09.000 What does that mean?

00:05:11.000 It means that everything that's happening right now is actually a perfect manifestation of a maturation of a species.

00:05:19.000 We don't actually have a poly crisis going on.

00:05:23.000 We've got a hospice moment.

00:05:25.000 And the joy that I had as a hospice doctor was so different than when I was running ICUs and battling against death.

00:05:32.000 Failing against death every day.

00:05:34.000 You change your perspective for a moment as a doctor, and you suddenly are sitting by somebody's bed.

00:05:41.000 The victory is no longer staying alive longer, it's integrating everything that's happened.

00:05:47.000 And I got to watch over and over again how humans at that last few minutes of life suddenly look back and realize their life was perfect.

00:05:55.000 And I think that's the exciting moment we're in we're going to move past this polarized state of human perspective where we keep flipping the victim perpetrator.

00:06:06.000 Code and we use the savior mentality to keep that victim perpetrator coin flipping to keep a mirage going.

00:06:13.000 And we can get into why we created the mirage in the first place.

00:06:17.000 But in the hospice moment, you suddenly put that coin down and somebody starts dipping across the veil of the limited five senses of their brain.

00:06:26.000 And they start feeling an ecstatic moment where they realize, oh my God, the whole thing was poetically perfect.

00:06:33.000 All of the heartbreak, all of the estrangement, all of the disappointment, all the insecurity.

00:06:40.000 I did that for the experience, and I felt everything.

00:06:45.000 I felt everything a human can feel.

00:06:48.000 And you get to see somebody who just a moment ago really thought their life was a failure, you know, difficult time with their kids, never became successful in their jobs, and they suddenly realized it had nothing to do with any of those metrics.

00:07:00.000 It had to do with the experience of feeling everything a human being is capable of, which is probably one of the most unique experiences a soul can have.

00:07:08.000 We are a very strange species for the limitations of our perception.

00:07:12.000 And for that, we get to feel a lot.

00:07:14.000 And that's really blessed.

00:07:15.000 And so I think we're moving towards this moment as a species now.

00:07:19.000 We're on our hospice bed and we've been here 300,000 years in our current form.

00:07:23.000 We've been given our hospice diagnosis.

00:07:25.000 We've got a few decades left in this current form.

00:07:28.000 At that moment, when we put down that victim perpetrator, a polarized sense of like, he's right, she's wrong, she's right, he's wrong, we set that coin down.

00:07:38.000 We're going to suddenly have a hospice moment where everything suddenly makes sense and we understand why we did the journey together.

00:07:45.000 We realized that those that we thought were our enemies or the biggest problems of our lives were holding polarity to a human experience.

00:07:52.000 I was waiting for our deathbed moment because about 10% of hospice patients don't die.

00:07:59.000 They get discharged and go on to live a new life.

00:08:01.000 This is a wonderful perspective if sociopaths weren't real.

00:08:05.000 So the problem is there is an aspect of our society where there are human beings whose minds don't function in a harmonious manner with other people and they're not going to change.

00:08:21.000 This is who they are and they've been doing this their entire life.

00:08:25.000 And they're out on the street.

00:08:27.000 And they've sat across from you right here.

00:08:30.000 I'm sure.

00:08:31.000 Yeah.

00:08:32.000 Well, we had a guy in the studio that cut a guy's head off after the podcast.

00:08:35.000 He killed a guy and cut his head off.

00:08:37.000 So there's work that I do with my friend Josh Dubin.

00:08:40.000 He used to work for the Innocence Project, and now he works for the Ike Perlmutter Center for Legal Justice.

00:08:47.000 And it's all wrongly incarcerated people and getting them out of jail.

00:08:51.000 And he spends an incredible amount of his own resources helping people.

00:08:54.000 And through this podcast, a bunch of people have been released.

00:08:56.000 So, he wanted to do a podcast episode where he had one of the guys who had been in prison.

00:09:02.000 He was guilty, but he had been given an extraordinarily long sentence and it was wrong.

00:09:08.000 And he comes on and he tells about his experience.

00:09:10.000 And he got released early.

00:09:12.000 But he did like 25 years in jail for, I believe it was something along the lines of drug dealing and maybe some sort of an assault.

00:09:21.000 But 25 years of his life when he was a young kid.

00:09:24.000 He does the podcast and then afterwards goes and visits this guy that apparently he had a beef with, kills him, cuts his head off.

00:09:31.000 Puts him in a suit, like puts a wig on, tries to escape in the hallway through the cameras.

00:09:36.000 I guess he doesn't understand HD cameras because they haven't been around for 25 years.

00:09:40.000 And he's sitting right there.

00:09:42.000 A couple weeks later, he's cutting a guy's head off.

00:09:45.000 Yeah, you're going to this idea that everything's perfect, it's not perfect for the guy who got his head cut off.

00:09:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:09:51.000 It's not perfect for a person who becomes victim to these sociopaths that are amongst us.

00:09:56.000 If everybody was just a person and everybody was genuinely trying to do better in life, I would agree.

00:10:03.000 But I would think that this is a part of this bizarre experience that we're all going through as a species.

00:10:11.000 And I agree with you that there's a lot of things changing.

00:10:14.000 And there's a narrative that exists about what it means to be a person that's entirely based up on what we described earlier.

00:10:22.000 It's based on office work.

00:10:23.000 It's based on nonsense.

00:10:25.000 It's based on 401 plans.

00:10:27.000 It's not based on human experiences. 0.99

00:10:28.000 And it's really dumb. 0.98

00:10:30.000 It doesn't help anybody. 0.99

00:10:32.000 And everybody gets to the end, and I'm sure you know this more than anybody.

00:10:35.000 They get to the end and they never say, I wish I worked more.

00:10:37.000 Never.

00:10:40.000 And, you know, I know you love what you do.

00:10:44.000 I know you love what you do.

00:10:46.000 And I think that is the true way to live life in a harmonious way.

00:10:50.000 Find a thing where it's even work is not really work.

00:10:54.000 It's just stuff that you enjoy doing that's interesting that you're required to do.

00:10:58.000 But while you do it, you love it.

00:11:00.000 That's what we should all strive for. 0.99

00:11:02.000 And this fucking programming that we've done to children from the time they were young. 1.00

00:11:07.000 Telling them that you're going to have to get some boring ass job and doom. 1.00

00:11:13.000 They will have it hang over your head. 0.98

00:11:15.000 One day you're going to be 18 and then you're going to have to get a job. 1.00

00:11:18.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

00:11:18.000 And if you don't go to college, it's going to be a terrible job. 1.00

00:11:21.000 Oh, no.

00:11:22.000 It's just this we've been programmed that like one of the things that keeps coming up about AI is the concept of universal basic income or what Elon likes to say, universal high income that we're all going to just have money for food and money for housing and you're going to have this incredibly Rich society where there's so much money that no one really has to work anymore.

00:11:49.000 Anymore.

00:11:49.000 And so then you're going to have to find purpose doing something that you enjoy.

00:11:53.000 And that sounds crazy to people.

00:11:55.000 That sounds so insane.

00:11:57.000 Like I'm going to have to figure out what to do with my life and I don't need to work for money anymore.

00:12:02.000 Because if the government just gives everyone in the country a half a million dollars a year, the idea that you can't figure out what to do with your time is really nuts.

00:12:13.000 That is a failure of our education system for sure.

00:12:16.000 Because we haven't taught people to be curious and to find all these cool things and to find new people.

00:12:23.000 Go to interesting places and experience life.

00:12:26.000 No, we've only told them about a bunch of numbers that you don't even feel.

00:12:31.000 You know, you don't even feel the numbers.

00:12:32.000 The numbers go up, they go down, you don't even notice it.

00:12:34.000 But you feel everything as a person, everywhere you go, all the new people you meet, all the new experiences you have, you feel all of them.

00:12:41.000 And for whatever weird reason, we've been tricked into thinking that numbers are more valuable than the feelings.

00:12:48.000 Numbers that you don't even feel.

00:12:49.000 You've just nailed the most important message for humanity.

00:12:53.000 You just nailed the most important message.

00:12:56.000 Feeling is the only relevant thing to a human body.

00:13:01.000 We got stuck with numbers.

00:13:02.000 We got stuck with numbers.

00:13:04.000 As soon as they figured out how to make money and put it in banks and then now in the cloud, as soon as they gave us a number to fixate on, we're like, oh, the number.

00:13:14.000 It's so weird.

00:13:16.000 It's such a weird thing that people haven't figured out that that's a bad way to live.

00:13:22.000 And maybe that will be part of the process with this whole technological process.

00:13:31.000 Innovation, this crazy moment in history that we're at right now with AI, where we really, for the first time, have no idea what the world's going to look like in 10 years.

00:13:40.000 We just don't know.

00:13:42.000 Well, maybe like this would be like a perfect, the two things happen at the same time where enough people are saying this is not what life is supposed to be about.

00:13:51.000 And then this comes along and reworks all of our infrastructure, and now we no longer need people to run things anymore.

00:13:59.000 Okay, we can go back to being people?

00:14:03.000 That's the rosy, rose colored glasses version of it, right?

00:14:07.000 I don't even know his rose, because I think it's inevitable.

00:14:10.000 I think bodies always win.

00:14:12.000 There's no way a machine ever wins this game.

00:14:15.000 There's no way that a machine that requires external energy systems and cannot repair itself wins.

00:14:22.000 And so the whole Elon Musk future of the planet that we've been told is a massive distraction from the reality that's going to be lived instead of invented.

00:14:34.000 There's only one pathway forward for humanity now, and it's biological, not technological.

00:14:40.000 We're going to start to reverse our polarity on our belief of what technology is.

00:14:46.000 And we're going to realize that everything at its highest expression is biological, not chemical, not physical.

00:14:53.000 It's biological.

00:14:54.000 If it's not a living system, it loses ultimately.

00:14:57.000 The universe has been innovating life for billions of years because it's the most eloquent, most elegant thing that's ever been expressed by.

00:15:08.000 All of the systems, all the stacking geometry and beauty of this universe, it's life.

00:15:12.000 That's the secret of everything.

00:15:15.000 And so, anytime anybody comes along and says, Here's a machine that's going to replace human XYZ, you can smile, thank them, and keep moving for a biological solution.

00:15:26.000 Anytime somebody says, Here's an IV drip, here's a new red light that you can hang on your wall, make you healthier, you can say, Thank you very much for your thought process.

00:15:35.000 I'm moving back to biological systems.

00:15:38.000 Life has been co expressing life.

00:15:43.000 For billions of years, and it is by far and away the most spectacular relational expression of nature that's occurred so far.

00:15:52.000 And so, when we think of a transhuman, technologic future with chips in the brain and artificial limbs and all of this stuff that's unfolding right now through the Musk world, all of that is literally an abstraction.

00:16:05.000 The word abstraction means a disorientation that occurs when the context is lost. 0.83

00:16:13.000 If we continue down this pathway that you nailed, we've been for 150 years training children to sit in chairs, answer multiple choice tests, be programmed with education rather than have experiential learning.

00:16:24.000 We got so far down that avenue that a mechanical future feels more likely than a human future because humans are actually really bad at doing machine like behavior.

00:16:33.000 We're not consistent.

00:16:34.000 We're not, you know, we don't thrive in that space.

00:16:38.000 Our health declines.

00:16:39.000 Our productivity declines.

00:16:40.000 Anytime you put somebody in a cubicle, they're on a downward spiral.

00:16:44.000 And so, all these companies that were told you need to put a bunch of people in cubicles and therefore make more in 10 years than you do now put themselves out of business by turning humans into machines, and we're just bad at it.

00:16:56.000 And so, the rise of this AI generation is a natural expression of a humanity that's lost the context of life.

00:17:06.000 We've lost the context of nature, therefore, we're expressing AI as a terminal state of abstraction.

00:17:14.000 I believe that life is the most spectacular expression of the universe as far as our experience.

00:17:20.000 But I don't know if this thing that we're creating isn't another kind of life.

00:17:27.000 And I think it might be a kind of life that we help give birth to.

00:17:33.000 And then that thing figures out how to make better versions of itself and become something new.

00:17:40.000 Like I've always equated us to like we're an electronic caterpillar that's making a cocoon.

00:17:47.000 We don't know why.

00:17:49.000 But that's just what it does.

00:17:51.000 Caterpillars aren't talking to their caterpillar friends and getting schematics on how to build a cocoon and what's the proper technique.

00:17:57.000 They just know how to do it, right?

00:17:59.000 I think what we do with our thirst for constant innovation, we want new electronics, we want new and best stuff all the time, and we have materialism where we're obsessed with collecting stuff, which makes you buy new stuff.

00:18:15.000 The newest stuff, if you want status, is the best stuff.

00:18:18.000 What does that do?

00:18:20.000 It funnels innovation, fuels innovation, because it gives them a tremendous amount of resources to continue to make better stuff.

00:18:27.000 And the ultimate best stuff is an artificial life.

00:18:31.000 I think it just might be a part of the process of being a person.

00:18:35.000 It might be what the universe has people do.

00:18:39.000 And I think we might be a little silly in thinking that the only kind of life that exists is biological.

00:18:48.000 It just might be the only kind of life that exists up until a certain point when the intelligent creatures give birth to the next version of life.

00:18:55.000 But it doesn't discount the experience of being a human and what it means to be a human and what's important about being a human and why it's terrible to be trapped up in a cubicle all the time.

00:19:08.000 But if Elon's right about AI creating enough resources that we have universal high income, I don't know if that's correct.

00:19:17.000 It sounds crazy.

00:19:18.000 But if that's right, well, that frees up people to just be people again.

00:19:25.000 New life form that we're giving birth to can handle all the stuff that we used to do, can handle everything allocation of resources, can handle shipping, move everything around, everything.

00:19:37.000 We don't need to, no more people need to do factory jobs anymore.

00:19:41.000 Now you can do whatever you want.

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00:20:47.000 I think the limitation of that argument is the definition of factory job there.

00:20:52.000 If what was really making people creative and productive, as that story suggests, was just half a million dollars a year from the government to each individual, then we would see a really incredibly genius, productive, creative portion of humanity that are multi generational wealth.

00:21:12.000 Have you had somebody sit here who was born into great wealth who showed that they had way more productivity?

00:21:17.000 And way more creativity than people that were born in poverty.

00:21:21.000 No, generally it's people that were born in poverty that have more motivation.

00:21:26.000 Boom.

00:21:26.000 Yeah.

00:21:28.000 So, this promise that we're going to create an AI revolution that's going to give a, what was his word?

00:21:34.000 What was the term that Elon used?

00:21:36.000 It was a universal high income.

00:21:37.000 Universal high income.

00:21:39.000 Yeah.

00:21:40.000 That sounds like a death sentence to human creativity to me.

00:21:43.000 Well, it certainly could if people are not taught at a young age how to be motivated by their interests rather than be motivated by money.

00:21:52.000 So, you're making the argument for being motivated by money, which is what a lot of people are currently, right?

00:21:57.000 But that doesn't necessarily mean that that's the only way a human can exist.

00:22:02.000 There's a bunch of different tribes all over the world that have a bunch of different customs, and they all agree to their customs, and those customs are totally different than these customs.

00:22:10.000 We've gotten into the custom of thinking that you work for money, and that's what our ideas are based on.

00:22:17.000 So, the idea that money could come along, and if you just gave people this money, it would be the death of human creativity, well, that sounds counterintuitive.

00:22:25.000 To what you were saying earlier, because people should be.

00:22:29.000 It's the factory mentality that's taught in schools that's the problem.

00:22:34.000 It's the way they structure it.

00:22:36.000 Because if you instead say to a child when they're learning things at a young age, you don't have to worry about money.

00:22:43.000 Money's not what's important.

00:22:44.000 What's important is your expression as a human being.

00:22:47.000 Let's figure out what you're interested in.

00:22:50.000 Maybe you're really interested in playing the piano, but you're really interested in painting, and you're really interested in sports, and you're really interested.

00:22:58.000 Find out what you're actually interested in.

00:22:59.000 We're going to teach you how to be better at it and how to be a better person.

00:23:03.000 And we're going to give you a bunch of really interesting facts about life and teach you how to think.

00:23:07.000 And that's what school should be instead of setting people up for factory jobs.

00:23:11.000 So, the universal high income concept, if that's used in conjunction with intelligent education, education that's based on this new paradigm that we find ourselves in, that seems like it would be a really good thing.

00:23:26.000 It'll be a disaster for as long as money is disconnected from life.

00:23:30.000 And so, giving somebody a monetary system that does not participate in the formation, creation, and co creation of life will just further distance us from nature.

00:23:41.000 And so, this is where we can start to think about what is money actually?

00:23:45.000 Right.

00:23:45.000 And we can go down that avenue.

00:23:47.000 So, you think, like, just what about people that live in like hunter gatherer societies?

00:23:51.000 Do you think that they find purpose in hunting and gathering, right?

00:23:55.000 They're functioning as the birthright of humanity right there.

00:23:58.000 So, I've spent a lot of time with tribes all over the world from Africa to South America, deep.

00:24:04.000 Deep Amazon jungle, everything else.

00:24:05.000 And anytime you're with a culture that is still indigenous, meaning all of us are obviously indigenous to the planet.

00:24:12.000 We're all made of her.

00:24:13.000 These are her minerals.

00:24:15.000 This is Mother Earth incarnate in my body.

00:24:17.000 So I'm as indigenous as anybody else.

00:24:18.000 But my culture is horribly degraded in its relationship to nature.

00:24:23.000 And so when we say there's an indigenous culture, these tribes you're speaking to, what we're saying is this is humans that have not lost their context.

00:24:31.000 These are humans that have not become abstract in their value systems or reward systems.

00:24:35.000 And so what they're Functioning as there has great evidence is that humans were actually designed to be a keystone species of keystone species.

00:24:43.000 A keystone species is characterized by its capacity to participate in life.

00:24:48.000 Wherever a keystone species sets its foot, there's more biodiversity, more life force, more ecstatic expression of beauty, more intelligence in the natural system.

00:24:57.000 Amazon jungle is the best example of it right now.

00:24:59.000 That is a man made forest.

00:25:01.000 We have a forest that was designed by hundreds of nations that lived for 40,000 years in an ecosystem and planted.

00:25:09.000 The largest food forests that the world has ever seen.

00:25:13.000 It is a managed forest.

00:25:14.000 And as the management started to degrade, as those peoples were displaced or lost, the ecosystem is returning back towards a desertification cycle, which is an inevitable process there.

00:25:26.000 So humans in right relationship to nature are keystone species.

00:25:30.000 You can see this with wolves being reintroduced to Yellowstone.

00:25:34.000 You can see it with beavers down in South America.

00:25:36.000 You put white lions back in northern South Africa.

00:25:39.000 You can see it from space.

00:25:40.000 In the territories where keystone species are there, it goes green.

00:25:44.000 The microbiome of the soils increase, the vitality of every plant increases.

00:25:48.000 And so when you're talking about these tribes, you're talking about a human species that's in right relationship.

00:25:53.000 And the moment money comes in as a metric and a value system that's not connected to life, you fracture that system.

00:26:00.000 And I think money is not the cause.

00:26:02.000 I think money is actually a symptom of a humanity that's lost its context of nature and is now way down the pathway of abstract systems, value systems, et cetera. 1.00

00:26:11.000 But this is the case with these people that they're in these indigenous tribes that. 0.75

00:26:15.000 What are they doing? 0.98

00:26:16.000 They're trading with people and they're getting money.

00:26:18.000 How are they getting money?

00:26:19.000 Are they selling things?

00:26:20.000 They don't need money.

00:26:21.000 Right.

00:26:22.000 But I'm saying How does when you were saying that money gets introduced and ruins it?

00:26:27.000 It's a symptom downstream.

00:26:28.000 So, a good example of But what I was getting to, were you saying that it gets in the way of the tribes?

00:26:34.000 Have you seen it affect?

00:26:35.000 Immediately.

00:26:36.000 So, what was the that was the question.

00:26:38.000 What was going on?

00:26:39.000 Were they selling their stuff?

00:26:41.000 Were they trading with these people and getting money?

00:26:44.000 How were they getting money?

00:26:44.000 My new book that's just coming out goes into great detail on the process of abstraction, like how it starts to chip away.

00:26:52.000 But in the book, it talks about my experience with the Achuar tribe, which is the very last indigenous culture to be introduced to what we'd call industrialized cultures.

00:27:00.000 So, first contact was 1996.

00:27:02.000 Wow.

00:27:03.000 So, we're one generation in.

00:27:05.000 That's crazy.

00:27:06.000 They're in the sacred headwaters of the Amazon, just on the border between Ecuador and Peru, deep in the jungle there.

00:27:06.000 First contact.

00:27:13.000 And they were the very first indigenous peoples to reach out to make contact.

00:27:18.000 To reach out to make contact.

00:27:20.000 And they made contact in 1996 with Westerners because they, as peoples, they live in villages that always plateau at 120. 0.69

00:27:30.000 As soon as they hit 120 people, the young men are sent out and they start new villages. 0.71

00:27:34.000 So they never live in groups more than 120.

00:27:37.000 That has persisted as a very effective way of resilience and human experience for 40,000 years there.

00:27:43.000 And so they started reaching out through dreams and dreamed a group of Westerners into their reality.

00:27:50.000 Guided them down the Amazon, everything else through their dream work, and made first contact in 1996 because for a few years they had started to dream the end of the world and realized the world was going to be destroyed by their little brothers who had lost relationship to nature. 0.56

00:28:06.000 And so they realized they had to be part of the reconnection process.

00:28:10.000 And if there was going to be a prevention of the Great Extinction, they were going to have to help their little brothers redream their relationship to nature.

00:28:17.000 And so they started inserting themselves into the dreams of groups around the world.

00:28:23.000 The first ones to come in were traveling with Bill and Lynn Twist.

00:28:28.000 And Lynn Twist was the one who was dreaming their faces and hearing their voices.

00:28:33.000 She was one of the directors of the Hunger Project globally and was working worldwide to try to stop hunger.

00:28:41.000 And these indigenous faces kept appearing in her dreams.

00:28:43.000 Wow.

00:28:44.000 And a friend of hers reached out and said, You need to come to the Amazon with me.

00:28:50.000 And she's like, Is there people hungry there?

00:28:51.000 And I'm like, No, there's no hunger here.

00:28:53.000 They've been eating out of the forest for 40,000 years.

00:28:55.000 She's like, well, I don't belong there.

00:28:56.000 I'm dealing with Ghana and Africa and India, all the places where people are starving.

00:29:01.000 A few more invitations come, and she finally finds herself on a riverboat deep into the Amazon.

00:29:08.000 They have to take a break for a bathroom break.

00:29:10.000 They step out on the banks, and the three faces she's been dreaming come walking out of the woods and say, We've been waiting for you.

00:29:16.000 Time for contact.

00:29:21.000 Wow.

00:29:23.000 So that was 1996.

00:29:25.000 So we're 30 years out.

00:29:28.000 And the way in which money inserted itself first as an abstract concept was boxed apple juices in the missionary schools that were set up there.

00:29:36.000 And boxed apple juice suddenly disrupted the entire 40,000 year history of provision and abundance that that forest had supplied those peoples.

00:29:46.000 And this high fructose corn syrup in a box with natural flavorings, i.e., potent chemicals to disrupt neurochemistry, was all those children and ultimately their parents needed to.

00:29:58.000 Taste to suddenly break their relationship to nature.

00:30:01.000 Today they are considering themselves impoverished.

00:30:05.000 They are working to try to get gas for their outdoor motors that they never used.

00:30:09.000 They are trying to get more artificial food in and everything else.

00:30:13.000 And so they've got smartphones in the jungle now.

00:30:17.000 They're sending their kids out of the jungles to go to schools, British education systems in the nearby cities.

00:30:23.000 And so it just took 30 years to abstract a culture.

00:30:27.000 And this was a culture that had never known poverty, had never known shortage.

00:30:31.000 So much so that one of the most beautiful things that I experienced with them is their houses.

00:30:35.000 They build these epic houses in the jungle.

00:30:37.000 They're huge, 30 foot vaulted ceilings.

00:30:40.000 Really?

00:30:40.000 Gorgeous, like outdoor, indoor living, like the best of California.

00:30:44.000 And they've been building these things for 40,000 years and they burn them down every 10 years and build a new one.

00:30:50.000 They have this understanding of the life death cycle of the energy of a house.

00:30:55.000 And they don't want the household to be stuck in the same energy it's had the last 10 years.

00:31:00.000 So they see it as this rebirth.

00:31:01.000 You mentioned earlier the cocoon.

00:31:04.000 They go through these rebirth processes for the whole household, the whole home.

00:31:07.000 Wow.

00:31:07.000 And they move.

00:31:08.000 And they've been doing it that way for thousands of years?

00:31:10.000 Tens of thousands of years.

00:31:11.000 Wow.

00:31:12.000 And so the beautiful thing about these houses is there's not a, obviously not a refrigerator.

00:31:16.000 There's not a storage bin for food.

00:31:19.000 They wake up in the morning for 40,000 years, walk outside, and collect what the jungle has for them today.

00:31:25.000 But it wasn't a passive process, it was an active keystone species process.

00:31:29.000 Every family has three different gardens that it maintains at different micro ecosystems within the forest so that each year, depending on dry season, wet season, whatever's happening that year, one of their gardens is thriving.

00:31:41.000 And so they have, as a people's, Created micro ecosystems within the Amazon rainforest for tens of thousands of years, the point that it now holds the most biodiversity per meter of any other ecosystem in the world, really.

00:31:56.000 And so we are this magnificent creature.

00:31:59.000 But if you break our relationship for a moment to our natural system, then the immediate thing that shows up before money shows up, poverty shows up.

00:32:08.000 And my book goes into some detail.

00:32:09.000 It's like, what are the different geometries of wealth and poverty that actually hold their own?

00:32:15.000 Security as their own kind of sovereign geometries within human behavior and human minds.

00:32:22.000 And what you see with poverty is this instant reinforcement of a deep, deep human wound that must be our one shared original wound, which is we were abandoned by nature.

00:32:33.000 And the moment you believe any aspect of that or have anything suggest that nature was holding back from us, nature wasn't giving us, I mean, you taste that boxed apple juice, that high fructose corn syrup, and the brain is me like, ah, I knew there was something better than nature.

00:32:49.000 I knew there was something better because the neurochemistry lights up.

00:32:53.000 That boxed apple juice is just like cocaine on the frontal lobe.

00:32:57.000 And it's a bizarre thing that high fructose corn syrup is a bizarre thing.

00:33:00.000 And it's just so perfectly exemplary of everything else we're doing as humans because high fructose corn syrup is the exact same molecule as fructose, which is the main sugar and not just apples, most of the fruit that the Achuar have been eating for all these tens of thousands of years.

00:33:15.000 But it's flipped, it is the mirror image of the actual molecule of fructose.

00:33:20.000 And that does not occur in nature.

00:33:22.000 And so they chemically flipped the molecule with chemical processing.

00:33:26.000 And the moment you flip that molecule over, the liver cannot understand it as a carbohydrate.

00:33:30.000 It now has to process it as an inflammatory triglyceride.

00:33:36.000 So instead of turning it into a sugar, it turns it into this aberration of a fat.

00:33:40.000 And in the bloodstream, that now causes cardiovascular disease, downstream inflammation of the brain, major depression, anxiety disorders, all kinds of things start emerging because you just flipped reality in a mirror.

00:33:52.000 What did they do?

00:33:52.000 How did they flip it?

00:33:53.000 It's a chemical treatment.

00:33:56.000 The chemical process is called a racemic.

00:34:00.000 A racemic is the chemical name for the mirror image of a molecule.

00:34:04.000 You can basically create chemical reactions that will create the mirror image of the molecule.

00:34:09.000 The high fructose corn syrup is a processed food where you're taking normal fructose and flipping the molecule through a racemic chemical process.

00:34:17.000 Why did they first start doing that?

00:34:19.000 Because you can patent a molecule that doesn't exist in nature.

00:34:23.000 They created a quote unquote artificial sweetener, which is actually You know, a profound way in which you can start to understand how we did everything in the pharmaceutical industry.

00:34:32.000 We find plant compounds and we flip them around so that they're non natural, not native to the body, and now we can patent them and we can commercialize them.

00:34:42.000 And, you know, I'm not damning somebody else.

00:34:44.000 This is me.

00:34:46.000 I was at the height of my career, 17 years in academia, I was creating chemotherapy.

00:34:50.000 And so I was, you know, getting paid as a medical doctor to sit in labs every day with cancer cells and try to poison them.

00:34:58.000 And what I found in the end was a family of molecules that didn't. require any poisoning of the cell.

00:35:04.000 They actually nourish the cell.

00:35:06.000 And that's where my career pivoted hard the sudden realization of, like, why are we trying to poison these cancer cells?

00:35:14.000 And I think this is where we can begin to back up together.

00:35:17.000 But I want to go back to a really important point that you held earlier because I don't want to, when I say everything is perfect, because it is, I don't want to diminish the amount of suffering we're in.

00:35:27.000 The amount of suffering the sociopath is in, who's going to be so extremely divorced from its natural system that it will think it reasonable to kill and behead somebody else.

00:35:39.000 That sociopath we can look at as the great problem with humans. 0.68

00:35:43.000 Humans would be just fine if we didn't have sociopaths.

00:35:46.000 That was how I was trained as a biologist and a medical doctor.

00:35:50.000 I was trained to believe that if there just wasn't cancer cells, we'd all be healthy.

00:35:55.000 We'd all live long if there just wasn't cancer.

00:35:58.000 And what I discovered over time, which is anybody who spends 17 years looking through microscopes down in the beauty and miraculous nature of biology, is going to find this.

00:36:08.000 But in the end, you find out that a cancer cell is actually.

00:36:12.000 No invader at all.

00:36:14.000 It's actually the loneliest cell in a human body.

00:36:17.000 And so a human cell that loses connection and communication with its surrounding environment immediately takes on the traits of a cancer cell.

00:36:26.000 The longer it's isolated, the more malignant it becomes.

00:36:30.000 The word malignant means life threatening.

00:36:33.000 And I would offer you that the sociopath is exactly the same story.

00:36:38.000 It's just one human cell that became so isolated that it became malignant in its behavior to life around it.

00:36:45.000 And the moment my world switched is when I started feeding those isolated, lonely cancer cells instead of trying to kill it, instead of trying to poison it, instead of trying to isolate it from the system.

00:36:55.000 And then what happened was beautiful they actually reconnected or they self eliminated.

00:37:01.000 And so if they had enough metabolic capacity left at that moment, they could repair, regenerate, and reconnect to the greater system and they would never threaten life.

00:37:10.000 If they were too damaged and could not create enough energy for life at that moment, they would go through this gentle process called apoptosis, which is a dissolving of the cell.

00:37:19.000 And a stem cell would be called in, put down a brand new healthy cell in its place.

00:37:23.000 And so when we stop looking at cancers or sociopaths as the one problem with an otherwise healthy human system, we're going to realize we don't have a healthy human system.

00:37:35.000 All of these things, the sociopath and the cancer, are long-driven symptoms of a declining metabolic life force.

00:37:44.000 And that's where I think I can help you back up.

00:37:47.000 Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

00:37:48.000 So in a utopian world, No one is ever raised in a way that would create a psychopath.

00:37:54.000 In a utopian world, children are raised with love and understanding always, and then you never get the sociopaths and the psychopaths.

00:38:03.000 So, in a utopian world, in a perfect world, that's true.

00:38:06.000 But humans are one of the really cool things about us we're not perfect, we're very messy.

00:38:12.000 So, you're never going to have great parenting across the board if you have human freedom.

00:38:16.000 You're never going to have people that don't lie, you're never going to have people that don't steal, you're always going to have violence as long as you have human freedom.

00:38:24.000 Because people are not going to be good at raising people.

00:38:27.000 And some people are going to get raised angry.

00:38:29.000 And they're going to, you know, unless we change what a person is, unless we all just do mushrooms together and kumbaya it all together, we're still people.

00:38:39.000 And the problem with people is there's never been a single time in human history where we've been a people with no war.

00:38:48.000 Not one.

00:38:49.000 Not one.

00:38:50.000 So you'd have to.

00:38:51.000 There was one.

00:38:52.000 When?

00:38:53.000 King Solomon.

00:38:54.000 King Solomon.

00:38:55.000 During King Solomon's reign, the whole world went at peace for one year.

00:38:58.000 One generation.

00:38:58.000 What year was this?

00:39:01.000 This would have been years after David, so you're - it must be about 2,400 years ago or something like that.

00:39:09.000 So, how would we even know that there weren't wars in Morocco at the time that they didn't hear about, or that there weren't wars in Australia, or there weren't wars - how do we know?

00:39:19.000 How do we know that there weren't wars so long ago?

00:39:22.000 But King Solomon kept one of the best stories of humankind alive during that time.

00:39:28.000 I'm sure he did, but what year was this?

00:39:29.000 I'd be inaccurate if I said it precisely, but I think King David would have been about 2,400 years ago, so somewhere in that range.

00:39:37.000 What is the odds that he knows what's going on in China?

00:39:39.000 Zero.

00:39:40.000 2,400 years ago, there's no 5G.

00:39:44.000 You're not going on Twitter and finding out what's happening in China.

00:39:48.000 There's no way he could know if there's war somewhere else.

00:39:50.000 There was a technology beyond all of that sitting on the planet at that time.

00:39:54.000 on the planet at that time.

00:39:55.000 So you think that they use the pyramids to find out if there's war in China?

00:39:55.000 Hold on.

00:40:03.000 I think that we had a technology called a human body at the time that was fully used and we were fully telepathic.

00:40:10.000 and we were fully telepathic and you know maybe not this recent but certainly further back 10,000 12,000 years ago we were communicating much differently do you think people have an innate telepathic ability that's kind of muted a little bit by language and by talking in media and and then if we went back to the earliest stages of intelligence we And then we realized that's kind of messy.

00:40:39.000 Wouldn't it be better if we just talked?

00:40:42.000 Just, I'll just tell you what I think.

00:40:44.000 I don't want to let you in.

00:40:45.000 And then, yeah, and then we wrote things down.

00:40:47.000 So when you write things down, you could read other people's thoughts.

00:40:50.000 But before words, I bet we didn't think in those terms.

00:40:55.000 I bet we thought in terms of what is that?

00:40:58.000 There's a tree, there's a person, there's a deer, this is how we have to do this.

00:41:02.000 Without words, there's probably an understanding of what we're saying and feeling.

00:41:08.000 That's probably why you get weird feelings from certain people.

00:41:12.000 You're like, hmm, I don't know about this guy.

00:41:15.000 There's something there.

00:41:15.000 You're feeling something.

00:41:17.000 You just don't know how to measure it.

00:41:19.000 I think you are spot on.

00:41:21.000 You could have written my book for me.

00:41:23.000 So there's a whole chapter in this.

00:41:24.000 That's definitely not true.

00:41:26.000 There's a whole chapter in there that gives an 80,000 year look at human communication from this point of wide open frequency bandwidth of telepathic communication down to text messages.

00:41:37.000 And so there's a linear decline that happens through these different steps to the more and more abstract ways of communicating.

00:41:45.000 And when we stopped feeling each other and we started, like you say, you begin with tonal language before there's words, you can start to create tones that are representative, but you're still giving a full sense.

00:41:55.000 This is like me singing an opera to you instead of like giving you a speech.

00:41:59.000 And so tonal language was giving us a full body experience where you're listening beyond your auditory space.

00:42:04.000 The spoken word was where we suddenly went straight to the mind.

00:42:08.000 We were no longer using the technology of the human body, and I was just going to speak.

00:42:12.000 And this improved efficiency very quickly.

00:42:13.000 So, this was the beginning of machine like behavior where we could stop feeling the body and we could start mentally processing information.

00:42:19.000 The brain jumped in size and we started going through all of these iterations of efficiency and optimization, maybe as the way in which we create empire.

00:42:29.000 We create more control, more wealth, whatever we were doing at the time.

00:42:33.000 But there were these advantages that looked good as we went from tonal to spoken word, from spoken word to written word, from written word to digital representations of words, down to emojis.

00:42:45.000 Yeah, Jamie thinks emojis are the next hieroglyphs.

00:42:50.000 I think he's right.

00:42:51.000 I think he's got something there, right?

00:42:54.000 If they get real good.

00:42:55.000 Right?

00:42:56.000 If they get real good.

00:42:57.000 I mean, it's kind of hieroglyphs.

00:42:59.000 It's kind of similar.

00:43:00.000 It's kind of similar, I would say that, but it's the end of abstraction.

00:43:03.000 So hieroglyphs actually carry the information in the form.

00:43:08.000 And so the form of those shapes, now we've, you know, some of the greatest minds on the earth are starting to recognize that if you draw one of those shapes and show it to a human mind, it creates an incredible medical response.

00:43:21.000 You can reverse inflammation, all kinds of things by looking at the shape because the shape is creating a wave of the world.

00:43:27.000 Wait a minute, looking at the shape of certain hieroglyphs?

00:43:30.000 Yeah, the shapes that are in Egyptian hieroglyphs are now being used to really change human biology.

00:43:36.000 We're realizing it was not a symbolic representation of something, it was a full transmission of information.

00:43:43.000 Is there papers written on this?

00:43:46.000 So Ibrahim is one of the greatest minds out there.

00:43:50.000 He's out of Egypt, Cairo, Egypt, and he's in his 80s now.

00:43:54.000 And I'm going to connect you with him because you'd love to have him on this show.

00:43:57.000 But he has been hired by large, you know, Groups and now Switzerland has hired him now to recode their 5G network with these shapes to improve biology and life around the 5G network, which I think is the future of technology.

00:44:12.000 Technology is not bad, technology is not integrated into natural systems.

00:44:16.000 And so, Ibrahim is showing us this pathway to understanding how these original shapes that are represented within a lot of the hieroglyphs and things like that in Egypt, but also really embedded in the actual technology of the pyramids.

00:44:29.000 It was a method of communication that was beyond.

00:44:31.000 The human mind beyond it was a life force transmission.

00:44:36.000 So it was doing something to you while you're understanding the context of what the hieroglyphics is trying to communicate.

00:44:43.000 It's actually having a physiological experience.

00:44:46.000 And anybody will have this physiological experience even if you don't understand the context?

00:44:50.000 There's no understanding involved.

00:44:51.000 Okay, so you just go there, stare at these things, and it reduces inflammation?

00:44:56.000 Yeah.

00:44:56.000 Is there anything on that online?

00:44:58.000 Can we find something?

00:44:59.000 Jamie, how dare you laugh at that?

00:45:02.000 We're going deep, son.

00:45:04.000 I did.

00:45:05.000 Put on the waiters.

00:45:06.000 I tried everything and it said there's no link, but I'm looking harder.

00:45:09.000 Do you know of a good resource where we could find a link to something like this?

00:45:12.000 Because I'd like to know how they measured the inflammation.

00:45:15.000 I'm not opposed to believing that it's possible.

00:45:17.000 Just look it up by Ibrahim Karim.

00:45:20.000 Ibrahim Karim.

00:45:22.000 Yep.

00:45:23.000 This is his quote.

00:45:24.000 It says When two energy fields are in resonance and exchange information, something happens after the resonance is over.

00:45:30.000 The two systems do not go back to their original state.

00:45:33.000 A sort of Vibrational impregnation occurs, which means that part of the new information leaves an imprint on the energy system.

00:45:41.000 Systems then are in constant evolution through resonance or interaction.

00:45:47.000 Well, that certainly seems to be what people are.

00:45:50.000 Perfect.

00:45:53.000 That whole system, that description, is a perfect description of human beings.

00:45:59.000 I completely agree.

00:46:00.000 Which is why it's so important to be around positive people and happy people.

00:46:04.000 It's like really good for you. 0.99

00:46:06.000 Being around shitheads is terrible for you. 0.99

00:46:08.000 You know, and terrible for them too because they're not attracting any nice people because, and then they're going to continue that behavior. 0.99

00:46:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:46:14.000 They're stuck, you know?

00:46:17.000 But that's fascinating.

00:46:19.000 Are you contributing your brain to medical science?

00:46:22.000 Have you?

00:46:23.000 Am I contributing it?

00:46:24.000 And well, I think it'd be very interesting to study you.

00:46:28.000 I would be.

00:46:29.000 So there's a word that really captures the living force out of that quote from Abraham, and it's a word called biosis.

00:46:38.000 And so the word biosis means.

00:46:40.000 And refers to the interconnected relationships that make life possible.

00:46:46.000 Your mind is one of the funnest things to watch, and that's why everybody watches because you come in with a curiosity, which I think is the real key to being human.

00:46:56.000 Because you looked at that and you immediately said that's what being human is two energy fields that can impregnate each other.

00:47:02.000 Yeah.

00:47:03.000 This podcast has been a 16 year impregnation inspired by your curiosity.

00:47:10.000 Well, it's impregnated me as well.

00:47:12.000 It's not like I'm the one who.

00:47:13.000 That's my point.

00:47:14.000 Yeah.

00:47:14.000 That's my point you have made yourself available to others.

00:47:17.000 Over and over again, be impregnated.

00:47:20.000 You are making your whole body system available to new information.

00:47:24.000 And a lot of the people that are in here aren't like measured as the smartest people on the planet, and they're not measured as the nicest people on the planet.

00:47:33.000 You keep attracting to yourself the ones that are going to challenge your biology to stretch more, to grow more.

00:47:39.000 You want to grow so much that you created this whole system for yourself.

00:47:45.000 I'm intrigued by that soul.

00:47:46.000 I'm intrigued by somebody that would.

00:47:49.000 Magnetize 100 million people to themselves, not so that you can impress other people, but so you can receive that much information that Ibrahim is talking about?

00:47:57.000 Well, it's not intentional.

00:47:59.000 It was never on purpose.

00:48:00.000 The podcast was just for fun.

00:48:03.000 I don't think we've made money on it for years.

00:48:06.000 It was just fun.

00:48:07.000 It was just fun to do.

00:48:08.000 In the beginning, it was just talking with my friends.

00:48:12.000 Why would that be separate from purpose?

00:48:14.000 Well, I mean, it was purposeful in that it was recreational and it was a community thing.

00:48:20.000 With our friends, that we would enjoy it because we always enjoyed doing like morning radio together.

00:48:25.000 We said it would be fun.

00:48:26.000 The technology exists now.

00:48:28.000 We can kind of do this on the internet.

00:48:30.000 Then we had Graham Hancock on.

00:48:32.000 So my friend Duncan and I sat down with Graham Hancock, which was how many years ago was that?

00:48:37.000 Was that 15 years ago?

00:48:39.000 Yeah, it would have been 2011, I think.

00:48:41.000 Probably like 15 years ago.

00:48:42.000 So he was the first I believe he was the first.

00:48:44.000 It was either him or Anthony Bourdain were the first real guest.

00:48:48.000 I think it was Graham.

00:48:51.000 All of a sudden, now because of this show, I can have people on and ask questions.

00:48:56.000 And I had already read Fingerprints of the Gods, and I was a huge Graham Hancock fan.

00:48:59.000 And all my friends that like studied actual history in college were always very offended by my ideas that I would repeat from that guy's a charlatan. 1.00

00:49:10.000 Shut the fuck up. 0.99

00:49:11.000 And I'd be like, I think he's right. 0.99

00:49:13.000 I think he's got some points.

00:49:14.000 So he was our first real guest.

00:49:16.000 And then from then, I realized that I could get guests because the numbers started getting.

00:49:21.000 More and more people are watching it.

00:49:22.000 So I was like, oh, so now I can just ask all these.

00:49:25.000 Like, I got Neil deGrasse Tyson on.

00:49:26.000 I got all these different people on.

00:49:28.000 I was like, this guy seems interesting.

00:49:30.000 Like, what does he do?

00:49:31.000 Like, I had knife makers on and I've had beekeepers on.

00:49:34.000 It's just like, it's just to me, it's a crazy opportunity to talk to fascinating people.

00:49:40.000 And I would love to do that even if it wasn't a job.

00:49:43.000 If I knew that three or four times a week, even if it wasn't a job, no one ever watched it.

00:49:49.000 And I could just have a conversation with an interesting person for a couple hours.

00:49:52.000 Just sitting across the table.

00:49:54.000 So, how did you start doing this?

00:49:55.000 And just pick their brain and find out, like, what's their motivation?

00:50:00.000 Like, what gets them excited?

00:50:01.000 Why do they like that kind of music?

00:50:03.000 Like, why'd you pick that up?

00:50:05.000 You know, what fascinates you about that?

00:50:07.000 Like, do you ever lose ambition?

00:50:09.000 Do you ever, like, what goes on in your head?

00:50:12.000 And I think somewhere along the line, I've realized that I'm kind of like an antenna for all these other people.

00:50:21.000 And that as long as it's pure in my mind, As long as I'm only talking to people that I'm actually interested in talking to.

00:50:32.000 There's no one who decides who is on the show but me.

00:50:36.000 There's no executives that have discussions, there's no board meetings, there's nothing.

00:50:42.000 It's my phone.

00:50:43.000 And I just go, that guy seems cool.

00:50:46.000 Or what is she talking about?

00:50:47.000 That's nuts.

00:50:48.000 Like, is that real?

00:50:49.000 Oh my God.

00:50:50.000 How did she figure that out?

00:50:51.000 Come on in.

00:50:52.000 And that's the whole way I've always done it.

00:50:55.000 And I feel like as long as I just do it that way, then people are getting a chance to experience it with me because I'm just being me, right?

00:51:07.000 And which is, I personally get great satisfaction out of watching people do things that they enjoy, even if I have no interest in those things.

00:51:16.000 Like, if I see a guy who's like making cabinets and he's like really into the polishing and the sanding, you can tell like this guy's work is he's very proud of his work.

00:51:26.000 He makes those seams nice and tight and sands it all down.

00:51:29.000 I'm watching him polish it and I'm watching him put the stain on.

00:51:32.000 I'm like, wow, that guy made that with his hands.

00:51:35.000 And he steps back and he's polishing it with a microfiber cloth.

00:51:38.000 And I love that.

00:51:40.000 I love when people are into things.

00:51:41.000 I love when people are fixing engines.

00:51:43.000 I love when someone's really into painting.

00:51:45.000 I love people being into things.

00:51:47.000 So I'm an antenna for people that are really into things.

00:51:51.000 I think that's exactly what Ibrahim was just describing in that quote.

00:51:55.000 We are antenna and we are receiving information all the time.

00:51:58.000 And the reason why it's so exciting to be human is because our antenna has got a broader aperture to receive information than any other creature on Earth so far.

00:52:10.000 And than ever before, as far as we know.

00:52:12.000 On this planet, at least.

00:52:13.000 Yeah, but the pyramids, I want to go back to that because I don't know if this is the smartest and the most advanced people have ever been.

00:52:21.000 I don't think it is.

00:52:23.000 I think the pyramids are the perfect example of why we should question that narrative.

00:52:23.000 I really don't.

00:52:29.000 We want to put that place into a nice, cute little box, and all due respect to traditional archaeologists, but you really can't.

00:52:39.000 It's not physically possible to put that place that supposedly was made 2500 BC.

00:52:48.000 That's the guess.

00:52:49.000 It's really kind of a guess because there's no hieroglyphs at all about the construction of it.

00:52:57.000 They don't show how they made it. 0.98

00:52:59.000 They don't know what the fuck it was. 0.94

00:53:00.000 They don't know why it has so much erosion in certain areas. 0.99

00:53:03.000 They don't know why it's been built on.

00:53:04.000 There's other structures that are built on top of older structures that are even more complex.

00:53:09.000 It makes no sense.

00:53:11.000 It makes no sense.

00:53:12.000 It just makes no sense.

00:53:14.000 When you're moving enormous statues that are 1,000 tons, how?

00:53:21.000 How'd you do that?

00:53:22.000 How did you get that thing?

00:53:23.000 How'd you move it 400 miles? 0.99

00:53:25.000 What the fuck are you guys doing? 0.97

00:53:27.000 You're doing something we can't do right now. 0.99

00:53:29.000 As cocky as we want to be, We don't have machines to do that right now.

00:53:34.000 So, why would we believe that they were primitive?

00:53:38.000 Why would we believe that they were commensurate with the rest of what we think the world was 4,500 years ago?

00:53:44.000 Because that's crazy.

00:53:46.000 It makes no sense. 0.54

00:53:47.000 That alone, just Egypt alone. 1.00

00:53:49.000 It's like, what were those people in Africa doing? 0.98

00:53:52.000 Because whatever the fuck they were doing, it's above and beyond anything anyone's doing right now. 0.96

00:53:58.000 2,300,000 stones that perfectly aligned a true north, south, east, and west. 0.99

00:54:04.000 How?

00:54:05.000 Biology.

00:54:06.000 Biology. 0.73

00:54:08.000 It had to be a living system that would create something that intelligent.

00:54:13.000 The reason why we can't build them today is we keep trying to invent machines to do our work.

00:54:18.000 Biology is what did it.

00:54:20.000 And Ibrahim, sitting there in Cairo, Egypt, right now, will tell you the way that they built these things was through waveform and the antenna, and not just for receiving transmission that created the energy to create the pyramids, was coming from bodies, not machines.

00:54:34.000 But they certainly had some machines.

00:54:37.000 Because there's these core drills that they find that they don't understand how they could have ever had something that moved at those RPMs to make those kind of circles.

00:54:46.000 It's drilling into this insanely hard granite.

00:54:50.000 There's some technology involved.

00:54:52.000 Water.

00:54:53.000 Water.

00:54:54.000 Biology and water together.

00:54:56.000 So biology is ultimately carbon and water.

00:54:59.000 It is a massive energetic potential that survives and concentrates between the magic of carbon and water.

00:55:08.000 I would love to show you a couple slides of where I think we are as humans because you just uncovered the most important reality.

00:55:14.000 Let's keep very strong anchor in the fact that human biology we can call them humans, we can call them Egyptians, we can call them whatever we want, but there were people of our size and our scale that were doing things on the planet very recently, five, 10,000 years ago. 0.98

00:55:29.000 Those Achuar have been doing their thing in the jungle for 40,000 years. 0.99

00:55:32.000 So this is recent history. 0.99

00:55:34.000 This isn't some figment of our imagination.

00:55:36.000 King Solomon's right in that time.

00:55:39.000 We have written history just after this time period, but there was an amnesia event.

00:55:43.000 There was something that happened globally where we lost connection.

00:55:47.000 We lost the signal around 5,000 to 7,000 years ago, globally.

00:55:51.000 Peoples all over the earth suddenly got disconnected from their intelligence, and we see this massive event of loss of life or disappearance of life. 0.99

00:55:59.000 So you got the Aztecs and Mayans, Incas.

00:56:02.000 You got all these systems that had been thousands of years building incredibly complex underground labyrinths that go for tens of thousands of kilometers.

00:56:12.000 Things that we can't even wrap our heads around right now was being done all over the world, not just in Cairo, Egypt.

00:56:17.000 The pyramids off the coast of Japan are way bigger than what was going on in Egypt.

00:56:22.000 And so we had pyramids all over the freaking planet that were technologies that were concentrating energy.

00:56:29.000 And I can, I'm going to go back to my own lived experience here so we're not like philosophically getting into any space that starts to sound woo woo.

00:56:36.000 I want to ground the sky.

00:56:40.000 We're woo woo, bro.

00:56:41.000 We're on woo woo, Maine.

00:56:44.000 We're on Main Street in Woo Wooville.

00:56:47.000 We're running red lights, son.

00:56:49.000 Let's go.

00:56:50.000 Let's go.

00:56:50.000 That's my favorite thing to do.

00:56:52.000 So I'm going to have a 55 Chevy behind the wheel.

00:56:55.000 I didn't tell you like running red lights in Woo Wooville.

00:56:59.000 I want to bring you back because you said something, and I have to understand what you were saying.

00:57:02.000 And you said biology and water.

00:57:04.000 So clearly they had tools, right?

00:57:08.000 So clearly they're using a tool to make these cores out of the granite.

00:57:14.000 So I want to back up.

00:57:15.000 I'm.

00:57:17.000 I think we just need to contextualize life because we get into the risk of like starting to core down on that idea and that idea and that idea, and we can't find our context.

00:57:26.000 So, if we contextualize this conversation, what life is, then we can get to pyramids, then we can get to UFOs and UAPs and everything else that's going on right now that's starting to force us to be like, wait, we don't have the whole story.

00:57:39.000 And so, this is my favorite thing about being live right now there's just too much evidence that the story that we've been taught in schools is correct.

00:57:46.000 It's just falling apart now.

00:57:48.000 Yeah, it's falling apart.

00:57:49.000 That's exciting.

00:57:50.000 But, The reason why we have things rushing into this space as new solutions that are just distracting us from actually stepping into our full potency is because we still are not allowing context to come back.

00:58:02.000 And so I would love to contextualize the conversation first.

00:58:05.000 Okay.

00:58:06.000 And then let's go down these roads.

00:58:07.000 Yeah, okay.

00:58:10.000 If you've got that first slide of mine, we can start at the most fundamental level of understanding what life is.

00:58:16.000 And this took me, you know, 25 years of basic science laboratory work to finally get my mind clear and out of the way.

00:58:24.000 To what you said, be the antenna for the information.

00:58:27.000 What is it trying to show us?

00:58:29.000 And ultimately, when you look across these images across this top of the slide, we've got the sun up top.

00:58:35.000 The sun is the most potent energetic thing that physics does.

00:58:39.000 It's nuclear fission and fusion.

00:58:41.000 And these things we call stars.

00:58:43.000 And there's roughly 10 billion stars per galaxy.

00:58:47.000 We've got somewhere around 2.5 trillion galaxies.

00:58:50.000 So there's a lot of energy being pumped out in the universe by a sun.

00:58:54.000 But that little innovation just to its right at the top is chlorophyll.

00:58:58.000 And chlorophyll begins a process of concentration of light energy.

00:59:02.000 And so, this is where we start to see more light per cubic centimeter than nuclear fission and fusion can produce.

00:59:10.000 They can then pass that information in the form of energy onto bacteria and fungi.

00:59:15.000 The bacteria and fungi then support more green life.

00:59:18.000 And so, we go from moss and slime molds to trees eventually.

00:59:23.000 And so, there's this constant feedback loop of concentrations of energy.

00:59:27.000 The more energy per cubic centimeter you have, the more opportunity you have for communication.

00:59:33.000 The word biosis again.

00:59:35.000 The refers to the interconnected relationships that make life possible.

00:59:40.000 If you've been in a long-term relationship before, like longer than a weekend, you got a sense of how much energy it takes to maintain a relationship.

00:59:49.000 There's nothing you do in life that takes more energy than maintaining a family and your spouse and kids or whatever you got around you.

00:59:56.000 That's because communication is required for co-collaboration, co-creation.

01:00:03.000 And so energy has to be concentrated at higher and higher, higher levels for life to do more and more and more complex things.

01:00:10.000 A couple billion years ago on the planet, we have evidence that bacteria and fungi made their transition.

01:00:15.000 So, bacteria, single celled organisms, suddenly gave an increase in concentration through an innovation of doing fermentation outside of the body.

01:00:25.000 So, bacteria ferment carbohydrates and fats.

01:00:28.000 They use a non oxygen related breakdown process to break carbon bonds.

01:00:35.000 All of that sunlight is being stored in carbon.

01:00:37.000 And so, one carbon bonds the next, storing a photon of electric.

01:00:42.000 Electromagnetic energy between them.

01:00:43.000 That's a carbon bond.

01:00:45.000 So, when you hear of a carbohydrate, that's a whole string of carbons that's storing sunlight.

01:00:51.000 A fatty acid, another long string of carbons holding sunlight.

01:00:55.000 So, the innovation of life was can we store enough energy that it can be released in these exponential levels of energy per cubic centimeter?

01:01:05.000 And the more that life innovated that process, the more complex life got.

01:01:08.000 So, bacteria, single celled organisms, can't really collaborate, but they can build an ecosystem of nutrients.

01:01:15.000 Fungi figured out that they could actually get way more fermentation if they exuded the enzymes out of their body to make the whole nature around them the stomach.

01:01:24.000 And so they outsourced the fermentation process to the soil around them.

01:01:29.000 And suddenly there was so much more energy available.

01:01:31.000 So they started to build whole networks of single celled organisms that were now collaborating.

01:01:36.000 We call these hyphae and pseudophyphae, the mycelial network of the fungal kingdom.

01:01:40.000 They can go for miles and they're still single celled organisms, but they're collaborating now.

01:01:45.000 Because they have so much more energy because they're doing all that fermentation outside the body, so they're not limited to what can be done inside the cell.

01:01:52.000 The next innovation that just blew everything out was the innovation of the mitochondria.

01:01:57.000 So, that little mitochondria represented up in that glowing cell right above the baby there.

01:02:01.000 Mitochondria are small bacteria that live inside human cells.

01:02:05.000 The average human cell has 200 mitochondria.

01:02:07.000 A neuron has 2,000 mitochondria in its neural head.

01:02:11.000 2,000 of those little bacteria living inside of a human cell.

01:02:15.000 And that's actually two.

01:02:17.000 Microbes put into one.

01:02:18.000 So it's a little tiny methane producing bacterium that was swallowed by an archaea, a big bacteria.

01:02:23.000 And they started collaborating in a big innovation that was respiratory energy production.

01:02:28.000 So we suddenly added oxygen and hydrogen to the process that used to be fermentation.

01:02:33.000 So now we have respiratory energy production in the form of mitochondria.

01:02:37.000 And that was a 10x improvement in energy, light energy per cubic centimeter.

01:02:42.000 And then we suddenly got multicellular life.

01:02:44.000 And so it was protozoa into parasites, into nematodes, into worms, into everything we have.

01:02:50.000 So life has been stacking in complexity with direct relationship of how much energy per cubic centimeter exists there.

01:02:58.000 The energy is predicting the outcome.

01:03:00.000 It's not some organism comes along and says, Well, I'm going to take over because I'm smarter and more connected.

01:03:07.000 Every time we've seen an innovation in nature, it's because preceding that moment, there was an innovation in increasing the amount of biosis, the amount of interconnected relationships inside a single organism.

01:03:19.000 Eventually, you get to a human.

01:03:20.000 A human has more life within it than any other niche of nature on this planet Amazon jungle, coral reefs, any other mammal.

01:03:28.000 The human colon and the body systems around it contain more biodiversity, more interconnected relationships than any other system on the planet.

01:03:36.000 This is more biosis, more life, more energy per cubic centimeter.

01:03:41.000 And what we get to start to recognize now, as our neurobiology of the gut starts to work through our levels of understanding, we're starting to realize there is no such thing as human intelligence.

01:03:50.000 There's a human brain that is an antenna for all of nature to speak to.

01:03:55.000 And so we have the most complicated antenna system of any organism on Earth.

01:04:00.000 10 minutes ago, you sat there saying, you know, I think I'm actually an antenna.

01:04:05.000 So, this is the process that takes to great life.

01:04:08.000 And 70 years ago, we started a new era of humanity called the antibiotic era.

01:04:13.000 And it innovated with penicillin in the 1940s.

01:04:16.000 But then it became herbicides and pesticides and took us into a massive journey of destroying biosis.

01:04:22.000 The word antibiotic is truth in advertising.

01:04:26.000 To be antibiosis, to be antibiotic, is to be against biosis.

01:04:31.000 To disrupt, to destroy the interconnected relationships that make life possible.

01:04:35.000 And so, if this is right, which I don't expect you to believe yet, but if this is right, I should be able to map to you the exact way in which we've landed at this moment, which is at the crippled point of human biology globally chronic disease epidemics, infertility threatening the very survival of our species.

01:04:52.000 So, I'm going to take you through the last 50 years and look at the human race just as a metabolic framework, and we'll see if we can make some sense out of it.

01:05:00.000 Okay, let's do it.

01:05:02.000 I like it.

01:05:04.000 It is very fascinating that we've gotten to where we are right now and that we know as much as we know, and yet we still are doing things like extensive use of pesticides and herbicides, and even when they're not necessary, like the drying of wheat with it, which is crazy.

01:05:23.000 You're not even using it for its intended purpose, you're using it as a desiccator so you could dry out the wheat and process it quicker. 0.98

01:05:31.000 What the fuck are you doing? 0.97

01:05:32.000 And then you're poisoning people unnecessarily because of this. 1.00

01:05:36.000 See, this is why I love being with you, Joe, is because you say the things that I wish I would be able to say last Friday.

01:05:43.000 That way?

01:05:44.000 That's all I really wanted to tell the EPA when I testified in front of the government. 0.87

01:05:48.000 We're crazy.

01:05:48.000 Well, someone probably should have someone like me do it.

01:05:51.000 I'm not the guy, but someone should say it that way because that's really what it is.

01:05:54.000 You're poisoning people.

01:05:56.000 And the really nutty thing is the reason why they didn't do the ban on glyphosate because it would have a devastating impact on our.

01:06:08.000 Our society and our economy, because all these businesses would close and go under and they would lose billions and billions of dollars.

01:06:16.000 Think of that.

01:06:17.000 Think of where we are right now, where our food supply relies on poison to function.

01:06:24.000 If we take the poison out, it can't function.

01:06:28.000 I don't know what to tell you, but there's only one way to do it. 0.98

01:06:31.000 We have to poison you. 0.95

01:06:33.000 That is really wild that anybody would accept that. 1.00

01:06:37.000 I mean, you could have all your fucking lobbyists, everyone sits in front of those microphones with notes, and they all have some preposterous way of framing it. 0.99

01:06:47.000 But that's really what it is. 0.99

01:06:48.000 You're saying the food supply.

01:06:50.000 Relies on poison.

01:06:53.000 And if we take away the poison, we'll fall apart.

01:06:57.000 It's actually true.

01:06:59.000 That's crazy.

01:07:00.000 But let me show you why.

01:07:01.000 Because it's not actually the food system that's about to fall apart, it's the medical system.

01:07:08.000 And so the thing that relies on chemical food is not the money we're making from the food system, it's the money we're making from the medical system.

01:07:15.000 Well, isn't it both?

01:07:17.000 Isn't it?

01:07:18.000 It's got to be both.

01:07:19.000 It's got to be both.

01:07:20.000 Because I know for a fact the pesticide manufacturers are.

01:07:24.000 They work very hard to make sure that the politicians are very happy.

01:07:28.000 Biosis interconnector relationships that make life possible.

01:07:32.000 BAIR owns Monsanto, right?

01:07:35.000 Yeah, so BAIR purchased that recently and they've been at this for a long, long time.

01:07:40.000 BAIR started to investigate the impact of interconnected relationships on human biology and fertility in the 1940s.

01:07:48.000 We call it World War II in concentration camps, but that's where the studies really started getting set up was understanding the relationship.

01:07:55.000 understanding the relationship between microbiome, the output products, amino acids specifically, that support human life.

01:08:03.000 So Bayer was involved in the concentration camp?

01:08:06.000 They were bought by a company called FK Pharmaceuticals in Germany in the 1930s, and then they got spun back out as Bayer after the war with the collapse of the Third Reich.

01:08:16.000 But, you know, and they're hardly alive.

01:08:18.000 Companies all over the world at the time were studying these interconnected relationships because there was a lot of progress being made in the 1930s and 40s, all the way back to the 1800s.

01:08:28.000 Of understanding that humans are an expression of a complex ecosystem.

01:08:32.000 They're not just this isolated system.

01:08:33.000 And so it was Luis Pasteur who kind of won the argument of nature's against us, germs are attacking us, all of that.

01:08:42.000 So that really kind of doubled down on this belief that nature's opposed to humans and we have to survive by sterilizing our environment.

01:08:50.000 So pasteurization is rooted in his name, Luis Pasteur.

01:08:54.000 Right, right.

01:08:55.000 And so we started pasteurizing with the idea that if there's any life inside of what we're consuming, it could compete with the human life.

01:09:02.000 Not real life.

01:09:03.000 That is one of the nuttiest things that they've passed on society.

01:09:06.000 That they've passed this idea that if you don't homogenize and pasteurize your milk, you're in danger.

01:09:15.000 And I don't know if you've ever seen some of these gaslighting articles, but some lady, I wish I saved it, somebody made a great TikTok about it today or an Instagram reel, where she was explaining relative risk versus actual risk and how these articles are framed.

01:09:31.000 To show you, like, oh my God, this is so dangerous, and that people who drink raw milk are like 860% more likely to get sick.

01:09:43.000 But it's like versus people who drink homogenized milk, well, how many people get sick off milk?

01:09:49.000 And then you find the actual number, and it's like 1,300 a year or something like that.

01:09:54.000 I forget what it was.

01:09:55.000 1,300 a year feel bad because they drank bad milk.

01:09:58.000 And out of those, how many of those were drinking raw milk?

01:10:01.000 Well, it was like more likely that it was raw.

01:10:04.000 So then it's still only a few thousand people.

01:10:06.000 By the time you find somebody that actually got harmed by it, you're down to six people, you know?

01:10:10.000 Which is like one of those really nutty things that people do.

01:10:10.000 Exactly.

01:10:15.000 That people do.

01:10:16.000 They got, instead of saying, this is what's dangerous about raw milk, don't drink it when it's spoiled.

01:10:23.000 Don't drink it, but also that's yogurt.

01:10:26.000 That's yogurt.

01:10:28.000 And you should have yogurt because it's important to have good acidophilus and all the cultures, the live cultures.

01:10:33.000 It's probiotics.

01:10:34.000 But don't drink raw milk because raw milk, you'll die. 0.99

01:10:37.000 I've never heard of a fucking single person who drank raw milk. 0.99

01:10:40.000 Who died? 0.99

01:10:41.000 I had a joke about it in my act a long time ago.

01:10:43.000 Like, if milk takes you out, Like, my grandfather ate cigarettes and he lived to be a thousand.

01:10:50.000 That was the joke. 1.00

01:10:51.000 But it was like, milk took you out, you fucking pussy. 1.00

01:10:55.000 Like, it's not, no one's dying from milk. 1.00

01:10:59.000 Shut the fuck up. 0.99

01:11:01.000 There's, you know, people get food poisoning. 1.00

01:11:02.000 It happens a lot.

01:11:03.000 And one of the things it is, is it's runoff from industrialized farms that get into people's vegetables.

01:11:12.000 It's a lot of vegetables, a lot of salads.

01:11:14.000 People get food poisoning from salads, unfortunately.

01:11:17.000 There was an interesting project that was put into motion around – I think it was late teens when the US government suddenly realized, oh my gosh, terrorists could attack us through salad bars.

01:11:28.000 They could poison these salad bars so easily and we could just – thousands of people – Is that why they put the sneeze guard up?

01:11:34.000 Those have been long deployed.

01:11:36.000 That's an ancient technology, the sneeze guard.

01:11:39.000 The sneeze guard. 0.99

01:11:40.000 These are so ridiculous. 0.91

01:11:41.000 Even the ancient Egyptians used those, I'm pretty sure. 0.89

01:11:43.000 Tests like what happened if you put salmonella in these things and everything else.

01:11:52.000 The conclusion of the whole study two years later is it'd be impossible to make salad bars any more toxic than they are now.

01:11:58.000 Every pathogen you've ever heard of is already there.

01:12:03.000 Oh, for sure.

01:12:03.000 As soon as you let a bunch of people touch stuff, and most people use their fingers, they're gross.

01:12:07.000 What is salad the thing that people get food sickness off the most?

01:12:12.000 What's the highest percentage in terms of what kind of food?

01:12:19.000 Yeah, it'd probably be like oysters, right?

01:12:22.000 Like raw oysters or something.

01:12:23.000 I think it's greens.

01:12:24.000 I don't know.

01:12:25.000 I think it's greens to see what your answer shows.

01:12:26.000 But if it is salad, it's not the actual greens itself. 1.00

01:12:30.000 It's the toxic shit. 1.00

01:12:31.000 It's actual shit that gets on them. 1.00

01:12:34.000 And then it's also like whatever they're using. 0.99

01:12:37.000 It's the irrigation of the lettuces that are the problem.

01:12:40.000 It creates artificial water systems that start to brew these things.

01:12:43.000 But I think, you know, if we back up for a second, like we're hitting on something so exciting here is that if we can understand that life is a concentration of light energy.

01:12:52.000 We can start to understand everything and we can start to innovate for restoring our relationship to nature.

01:12:59.000 We can become a keystone species again.

01:13:00.000 And so I want to take a quick look at the last 50 years of antibiotic use, to your point, herbicides and pesticides, this thing that we're highly dependent on as an economy.

01:13:10.000 100%.

01:13:10.000 But we can't leave people hanging.

01:13:12.000 So let's find out what's the actual.

01:13:14.000 I just put it in perplexity.

01:13:15.000 Yeah, I said what food causes the most food poisoning.

01:13:17.000 And the answer is just like foods that are contaminated.

01:13:21.000 Raw, undercooked poultry.

01:13:21.000 That makes sense.

01:13:23.000 Ground beef.

01:13:24.000 Are there undercooked meats?

01:13:25.000 Commonly linked to toxin producing E. coli, leafy greens, and other raw vegetables.

01:13:31.000 So they don't have like a percentage.

01:13:33.000 Raw or undercooked shellfish, raw or undercooked eggs, unpasteurized milk, and soft cheeses.

01:13:42.000 Yeah, those are dangerous.

01:13:44.000 Serious.

01:13:44.000 Look, serious pathogens like listeria and salmonella.

01:13:48.000 Okay.

01:13:48.000 So there's no data that shows exactly what people get sick the most from.

01:13:57.000 So, your point, go back to where you wanted to go from.

01:14:01.000 So, you talked about the herbicides and pesticides.

01:14:03.000 So, this started with the Green Revolution in the 1960s, where we started to believe that the Midwest could start to feed the world.

01:14:10.000 We were going to eliminate hunger by chemical farming.

01:14:11.000 So, I want to repeat that sentence.

01:14:14.000 Repeat that sentence.

01:14:14.000 We decided we were going to eliminate hunger by chemical farming.

01:14:18.000 And that was only in the 1950s?

01:14:19.000 50s is where we really took off with it because what happened That's crazy.

01:14:23.000 At the end of World War II, we had a massive glut of oil.

01:14:26.000 And so we had revved up the whole global oil fossil fuel machine to supply the global war machine.

01:14:33.000 We had planes, tanks everywhere.

01:14:34.000 The first time World War II ends, suddenly there's an enormous overload of oil and oil companies need a new revenue source.

01:14:42.000 And this had begun in the 1905-10.

01:14:44.000 Phase with the Rockefellers, the largest oil producing families in the world, suddenly realized wait a second, these carbon molecules can be reinvented into something much more valuable.

01:14:57.000 We can sell a gallon of oil for 22 cents back then, or we can take those and start to break out through chemical processing carbon molecules that can start to affect biology.

01:15:10.000 We could start making drugs that affect these things.

01:15:14.000 The Flexner Report comes out in 1910 that basically demonizes and laughs out.

01:15:19.000 Herbalism and 10,000 years of traditional medicine, and says that it's this new technology of small carbon molecules that's the future of it's the only advanced form of medical care.

01:15:32.000 So we started into this belief that it was going to be chemical derivatives of fossil fuels that we're not going to just treat diseases, but they were also going to grow our crops.

01:15:41.000 It was Rockefeller that did this, right?

01:15:42.000 Rockefeller has funded the Flexner Report, which was Dr. Flexner's big report that said, here's the future and here's kind of And he had massive investments in oil.

01:15:51.000 Rockefeller built the whole system.

01:15:52.000 So he built Standard Oil that would then get broken up through the monopolies into ExxonMobil and the rest, Shell, et cetera.

01:16:00.000 So you've got this situation where it's lived through to today.

01:16:05.000 And so something like the chemotherapies that were around, there's one called vincristine, which is a classic chemotherapy used for a whole host of common cancers.

01:16:16.000 And vincristine is a natural compound derived from life.

01:16:19.000 And so it's biologically made by algae and things like this.

01:16:23.000 And so it's.

01:16:24.000 Similar to oil, where it's just a carbon substrate, but it's still in its living form.

01:16:30.000 But it's creating this strange carbon molecule called vincristine.

01:16:32.000 So it's made in algae, it's present in algae.

01:16:35.000 Instead of saying, hey, here's a biologic system that we should look at, like maybe this should be in our soil systems.

01:16:41.000 Maybe we should be growing food that had this therapeutic effect, this anti cancer effect in it.

01:16:46.000 Instead, they said, no, no, let's separate the algae from nature and let's create huge vats of this and we will chemically extract the vincristine.

01:16:52.000 Vincristine today is sold for $28,000 a gram.

01:16:56.000 The same thing was done with oil.

01:16:59.000 We can take something that's worth 20 cents and we can turn it into $28,000 if we manipulate these molecules and then make a story of this treats a disease that's attacking humanity.

01:17:10.000 That's how the antibiotic, anti cancer, anti diabetes, anti obesity, anti everything has come about let's invent chemicals that solve a problem that doesn't even really exist.

01:17:22.000 This is where we start to slip into this massive abstraction of we get so good at solving problems that shouldn't even exist.

01:17:30.000 Or maybe don't even exist.

01:17:31.000 And so this was the slippery slope that we set into in the 1910s that then accelerated like anything in the 1950s.

01:17:38.000 And so in the 1950s, you'll remember we had penicillin in the late World War II.

01:17:43.000 So penicillin was the first direct antibiotic and it was a revolution.

01:17:47.000 It was so exciting.

01:17:48.000 So kids in the 1940s and 50s were getting an injection in their butt for anything common cold, sneeze, red eyes, penicillin.

01:17:54.000 So we were giving out these antibiotics thinking, well, we're going to sterilize humans finally.

01:17:59.000 And humans are, once sterile, Luis Pasteur's late 1800s telling us germs were the only thing that was really killing humans.

01:18:06.000 That was really killing humans.

01:18:08.000 If we eliminate germs, humans are going to just thrive.

01:18:11.000 So, the idea that we now had antibiotics, anti small things that aren't human, we would finally become healthy again.

01:18:18.000 Right.

01:18:19.000 But if people did get infected with syphilis back then, antibiotics like penicillin would cure them.

01:18:24.000 It would eliminate the symptom of syphilis, but syphilis wasn't a disease.

01:18:29.000 Syphilis was a symptom of a degradation of healthy biologic interconnected relationships.

01:18:33.000 That was being argued back then in the late 1800s.

01:18:37.000 Arguing with Pasteur over decades of really well published stuff.

01:18:42.000 Can I stop you there?

01:18:45.000 You're saying that the people got syphilis because their system was compromised, not because syphilis is particularly dangerous.

01:18:51.000 Did some people not get syphilis that were alive back then, that were in contact with it?

01:18:57.000 How contagious was it?

01:18:59.000 Is it because their bodies were unhealthy and their immune systems weren't functioning correctly because they were malnourished, because they didn't get enough nutrients? 0.78

01:19:06.000 Because a lot of it was the aristocracy.

01:19:10.000 You would think they're the most well fed.

01:19:13.000 They're the most separated from nature.

01:19:14.000 That too, right?

01:19:15.000 They're the ones that aren't gardening.

01:19:17.000 They're the ones that aren't out in the back.

01:19:18.000 They're the ones that are separated from nature and have technology called convenience pushed around them on many, many, many layers.

01:19:24.000 So they're the ones not touching the soil.

01:19:26.000 They're the ones not making the bricks.

01:19:28.000 They're the ones not building the houses.

01:19:29.000 They were also drinking a lot and partying.

01:19:31.000 Because they weren't feeling anything.

01:19:32.000 So they went after chemicals to feel something.

01:19:35.000 And this is where I think this whole Give everybody half a million dollars and they'll be happy.

01:19:41.000 It's going to isolate them further.

01:19:41.000 No.

01:19:43.000 They're going to numb them down, and all it's going to create is drug addiction on the highest levels we have ever seen.

01:19:48.000 If they function the way people function today.

01:19:49.000 But that was my point if we educate children to not be in pursuit of money but instead think of money as something that provides you with food and shelter and basic needs, you don't have to worry about any of that stuff anymore.

01:20:03.000 Now, what you need to do is worry about being a person, worry about finding something that's fascinating, and get an education just for your own sake of.

01:20:09.000 Fueling your curiosity.

01:20:11.000 Learn things, grow, pick projects, do things you want to do, start taking learning a musical instrument.

01:20:20.000 Do something that you find fascinating because you don't have to spend your time just working anymore.

01:20:27.000 Isn't that possible?

01:20:28.000 You just said a word that I want to go back to you that's so important.

01:20:33.000 You said, here's enough money to provide you food, shelter, and anything else you need.

01:20:36.000 Yeah.

01:20:37.000 Does money really provide food?

01:20:38.000 Shelter, or does nature provide it?

01:20:41.000 Well, you use nature to make a house.

01:20:46.000 Like cement doesn't exist in a vacuum.

01:20:49.000 The Otchwa tribe have been building their houses for 40,000 years.

01:20:53.000 Right. 1.00

01:20:53.000 No money. 1.00

01:20:54.000 They've literally not had money.

01:20:55.000 Right, but they live in the jungle, right? 1.00

01:20:58.000 If you live in Arizona, you better have a fucking house. 1.00

01:21:01.000 You better have air conditioning too. 1.00

01:21:02.000 Have you visited the Aboriginal brothers down in Australia? 1.00

01:21:04.000 Every bit as hot and brutal as no houses for 40,000 years. 1.00

01:21:10.000 Right.

01:21:10.000 They lived absolutely fine without money.

01:21:12.000 That's not ideal.

01:21:14.000 It's not ideal to be outside when it's 110 degrees and you're just suffering.

01:21:20.000 I'm sure if those people had air conditioning, they'd go, ooh, this is way better.

01:21:24.000 That's exactly what happened.

01:21:25.000 They got air conditioning, and then what happened?

01:21:26.000 You give them air conditioning, they come out of nature.

01:21:30.000 Yeah, but always?

01:21:30.000 I mean, it's the only way.

01:21:31.000 People are so dumb, they can't be educated to the fact that there's a bunch of things that you have to satisfy. 0.99

01:21:39.000 It's not intelligence, it's comfort. 1.00

01:21:40.000 Comfort.

01:21:40.000 It's subconscious.

01:21:41.000 Right, but can't you teach people that they should just seek comfort?

01:21:45.000 Because I learned that.

01:21:47.000 People can learn that.

01:21:48.000 Like, everybody is naturally inclined to seek comfort, but if you do that too much, you'll just become soft and you atrophy and you get bored, depressed.

01:21:57.000 And that's a real problem with people.

01:21:59.000 You atrophy and you get bored, depressed.

01:22:02.000 That's a real problem with people.

01:22:04.000 We need tasks.

01:22:05.000 We are task oriented, goal oriented creatures.

01:22:08.000 We like stuff.

01:22:09.000 We like to do things.

01:22:10.000 We like to do puzzles.

01:22:11.000 We like to play games.

01:22:13.000 We're like a big deal.

01:22:14.000 So I've been building stuff since I was a kid.

01:22:16.000 Yeah.

01:22:16.000 People love building stuff.

01:22:17.000 I had the best life ever because I was born poor.

01:22:20.000 And so I grew up in government housing in Colorado.

01:22:24.000 1973, the Vietnam War was just ending, and a bunch of the Hmong people of Cambodia were displaced because of Agent Orange.

01:22:34.000 A chemical that is immediately cousin to glyphosate, the chemical we're going to talk about.

01:22:39.000 Is it really?

01:22:40.000 Agent Orange is a cousin? 0.76

01:22:42.000 They're the same class.

01:22:43.000 They're both organophosphate molecules.

01:22:46.000 I'll get into that story a little later. 0.99

01:22:48.000 Nonetheless, the peoples of the Hmong were displaced because we dumped it all over Cambodia and North Vietnam to make bare the Ho Chi Minh Trail so we could, from the air, see our enemy and kill more people. 0.99

01:23:00.000 We turned an entire jungle system into a complete moonscape. 0.99

01:23:04.000 Not a single living life form left after 25 years of Agent Orange.

01:23:07.000 If you go back there right now, it's still like that?

01:23:10.000 No, it is fully recovered because biology has been allowed to return.

01:23:13.000 We created so much disease in that place that humans were displaced.

01:23:17.000 As soon as humans step out of there, the kind of extractive relationship, nature rushes back.

01:23:22.000 Aged orange, it's not like a permanent chemical that stays in the soil.

01:23:26.000 There's no such thing as a permanent chemical.

01:23:30.000 Those forever chemicals?

01:23:31.000 Forever chemicals are measured without life.

01:23:35.000 If you put biology back in a system, it will heal itself.

01:23:38.000 Period.

01:23:40.000 That's my promise to humanity that everything is perfect.

01:23:42.000 The stress that we're putting on this planet right now with these herbicides, pesticides, antibiotics, everything we're doing right now, I want to keep this in the context of everything is perfect.

01:23:50.000 I'm going to keep drilling this home until we get there.

01:23:53.000 It's going to be an interesting journey because first we have to look at how much suffering have we created first to understand then why would we create suffering and why would that be perfect.

01:24:01.000 We'll get there.

01:24:02.000 I think we need a backup to people's lived experience right now.

01:24:05.000 1973, we have the end of a world war really, with this economic drain. 0.62

01:24:11.000 Vietnam War was. 0.58

01:24:13.000 This massive drain on economic systems disrupted all kinds of things.

01:24:17.000 And then suddenly it's over.

01:24:18.000 And a little company called Monsanto that was producing Agent Orange needed a new economy.

01:24:23.000 And so they repurposed themselves into a chemical cleaner for industrial pipes.

01:24:28.000 And they bought a patent from a Japanese inventor, put this patent in the late 1950s for something called glyphosate.

01:24:35.000 Bought that patent in 1974.

01:24:37.000 And they were using it to clean industrial pipes because it has an amazing ability to grab minerals and pull it out of circulation.

01:24:44.000 Dumping lots of this down these clogged pipes of manufacturing facilities and the like.

01:24:49.000 It would clean the pipes out beautifully.

01:24:51.000 But the problem was, as soon as the effluent got out into the river, it would kill all the fish and everything else.

01:24:55.000 And so it was clearly not going to get past any environmental protection.

01:24:59.000 So they needed a different purpose for this stuff at lower concentrations.

01:25:03.000 And so they repatented in 1976 as a weed killer and rolled it out as Roundup, which would become the most successful weed killer in history.

01:25:13.000 But this molecule had been already in use.

01:25:15.000 This organophosphate.

01:25:16.000 Family of molecules that had already been killing life throughout Cambodia and Vietnam.

01:25:20.000 Those people got displaced, and I grew up with them in Boulder, Colorado, in government housing.

01:25:26.000 Those Hmong people showed us something of biology. 1.00

01:25:29.000 They're the most poisoned peoples on the planet. 1.00

01:25:32.000 They showed no metabolic collapse, they showed no decline in health, they didn't have an explosion of cancer or anything else they should have because we know that Agent Orange causes cancer. 1.00

01:25:43.000 They showed me, as young as I was at the time, three, four years old, growing up with these Hmong people in gardens. 0.95

01:25:51.000 Cambodian women were sitting, squatting in the middle of their 10 foot plots that they were given as part of our Section A government housing.

01:25:59.000 And they would sit and tell a story, stay human connected.

01:26:02.000 The receivers were on, the antennas were open.

01:26:04.000 They're telling a story while they're squatting barefoot in soil systems, and the biology is restoring their bodies, cleaning their bodies.

01:26:13.000 I would find that out 35 years later, studying glyphosate and human biology.

01:26:17.000 But this is what I loved I had a lived experience of people that had been radically poisoned but had stayed in touch with the land.

01:26:24.000 And because they were an extension of the planet, they didn't show disease.

01:26:28.000 Because these are the people that left though.

01:26:31.000 I mean, the people that were still there in Cambodia and in Laos and all the areas where they used Agent Orange, didn't they have a high concentration of cancer, the people that lived there?

01:26:41.000 Yes, and that's largely because they got displaced to concentration camp-type environments where they were separated from.

01:26:47.000 So if you don't stay connected to nature, then toxicity shows up, cancer shows up, all these things.

01:26:52.000 A good example of this is Chernobyl.

01:26:54.000 But the people that lived in the villages where Agent Orange, as long as they stayed close to nature, you're saying that they were.

01:27:01.000 They were fine from Agent Orange?

01:27:03.000 In this case, there were no...

01:27:04.000 We literally turned it into a moonscape. 1.00

01:27:06.000 So they were fully refugee status divorced. 0.97

01:27:11.000 years.

01:27:13.000 But there were people that stayed that were close to where that Agent Orange stuff was dumped that lived that did get cancer, right?

01:27:22.000 And the ones with the highest cancer were the U.S. military soldiers.

01:27:24.000 And so the people that were most separate from nature were going to show the highest rates of cancer.

01:27:30.000 And so you have U.S. military that are eating canned food and MREs.

01:27:34.000 Right.

01:27:34.000 You know, half a world away, they're going to show an immediate increase in it.

01:27:39.000 And that's why Asian Orange couldn't be repurposed is because it got such a bad rap on high anxiety. 0.87

01:27:43.000 You're in a war. 0.97

01:27:44.000 You don't want to be there.

01:27:45.000 You're isolated socially.

01:27:46.000 Probably doing a lot of drugs.

01:27:47.000 Yeah.

01:27:47.000 Psychologically.

01:27:48.000 Yeah.

01:27:48.000 So you've reached a stress level because of your separation from your own personal, natural, connected biosis of a family and a community and your garden and all these things.

01:27:58.000 So as we get further from nature, we become more vulnerable.

01:28:01.000 And then toxins become a real crisis for biology.

01:28:05.000 So biology in isolation will have.

01:28:08.000 Huge consequences to poisoning.

01:28:10.000 A connected biologic system sees poison as a stressor that will make it stronger, not weaker.

01:28:16.000 When you're communicating with these people, especially people that live in these indigenous cultures, do they experience infections?

01:28:23.000 Do they get the flu?

01:28:29.000 Does anything go through them that's in their own body?

01:28:32.000 Not something that's introduced by other people. 0.82

01:28:34.000 We know that that wiped out 90% of Native Americans is disease that came from Europe. 0.96

01:28:40.000 It's a story that's told.

01:28:42.000 I'm not sure that we have the greatest evidence of that.

01:28:44.000 That story has been played a lot.

01:28:46.000 I think it's also possible that we just killed a lot of people. 0.58

01:28:49.000 Well, we certainly did that as well.

01:28:51.000 We killed a lot of people, but I think that what's not understood was the breaking of their relationship to their natural system.

01:28:56.000 They may have had dysentery and died of infectious diseases, but not until we displaced them from their gardens, displaced them from their land, and all that.

01:29:05.000 We had to break their relationship to nature if they were going to get a bowel infection that was going to cause a problem.

01:29:09.000 I've just seen too many examples of connected biological systems that.

01:29:13.000 Just cannot become diseased.

01:29:15.000 A connected system.

01:29:17.000 Again, let me turn to Chernobyl for a moment because this is a pretty rad example of this. 0.66

01:29:21.000 Largest nuclear event, nuclear disaster that's ever been created in human history, maybe the Japan one is now exceeding it. 0.70

01:29:29.000 But Chernobyl was it 30 years ago or something, 1976 or something like that?

01:29:34.000 Chernobyl happens, huge nuclear waste dump into soil systems throughout the Siberian region there.

01:29:41.000 And we have the immediate movement of humans out of the region, out of Fear of cancer.

01:29:47.000 And sure enough, all the humans that were in touch with that system, huge rates of thyroid cancer, renal disease, all kinds of things occurred.

01:29:54.000 Of things occurred.

01:29:57.000 Meanwhile, those soils are primarily inhabited by voles, a small little mouse like creature that lives under the ground, looks halfway across a field mouse and a mole.

01:30:07.000 Those tiny little creatures have been eating the most radioactive soils on the planet for the last 30, 40 years.

01:30:13.000 That's almost 50 years now.

01:30:16.000 That 50 years of eating radioactive material, they're now radioactive.

01:30:20.000 When you put a Geiger counter up next to one of those voles, it's not beep, beep, beep, it's just a continuous hum.

01:30:27.000 These are the most radioactive creatures on Earth.

01:30:29.000 Not a single case of pup deformities, no collapse of fertility.

01:30:35.000 In fact, the vole populations are thriving.

01:30:38.000 The predator to the vole in Chernobyl is the wolf.

01:30:42.000 The Siberian wolf has absolutely quadrupled its population.

01:30:47.000 No birth defects, no cancer, no consequence to eating the voles that are highly radioactive.

01:30:55.000 These are the best examples of when a system, when a keystone species or otherwise, is.

01:31:00.000 Connected to its nature, she will never allow an injury to occur that she doesn't already have a solution for.

01:31:08.000 At the microbiome level, we now know how these wolves and bulls are surviving as they upregulate Pseudomonas.

01:31:15.000 Pseudomonas has this amazing bacteria that actually, if you look through all those food poisoning lists of what's going to kill you on the E. coli and the Pseudomonas, Pseudomonas is one of the most feared bacteria in a hospital, for example.

01:31:27.000 Turns out Pseudomonas thrive on radioactive material.

01:31:30.000 They digest it, turn it into usable and safer products, and all of this.

01:31:33.000 The microbiome is there.

01:31:35.000 Living in the voles, constantly converting and updating its physiology so it's repairing at a faster rate than it's being injured.

01:31:42.000 And I'll show you what this looks like in the lab too in a moment.

01:31:45.000 But I want you to hold that thought of there's every organism has a rate of repair and a rate of injury.

01:31:52.000 And as long as the rate of repair is slightly faster than the rate of injury, it never gets a disease.

01:31:57.000 You can ramp up that injury rate.

01:31:59.000 And if nature stays interconnected, your rate of repair simply steps up to its right.

01:32:06.000 Capacity.

01:32:07.000 This is that classic adage if it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger.

01:32:11.000 A biology that's practicing a relationship of biosis, the interconnected relationships that make life possible, a biotic creature will always have the resources if from nature rather than from money.

01:32:26.000 Money is never going to provide you biosis.

01:32:28.000 Nature is always going to provide you the biotic capacity to overcome any toxicity that gets streamed up, planetary or otherwise.

01:32:34.000 The planet has been making horrible toxins forever.

01:32:37.000 The sulfuric acid pools that dominated this planet's surface.

01:32:41.000 Biology came right past all of that.

01:32:43.000 Biology grew up in it.

01:32:45.000 Biology has no problem with chemistry because of its phenomenon of light concentration of energy, more energy per cubic centimeter than anything else in the cosmos.

01:32:55.000 Life is this churning machine of iteration, repair, regeneration, iteration, repair, regeneration.

01:33:01.000 Every time it does that, it has this tendency to make new iterations of itself, to become more biodiverse.

01:33:07.000 New species are formed, new imagination of nature.

01:33:10.000 And pretty soon you have a planet Earth that's teeming with so much unbelievable life.

01:33:14.000 And finally, a container that can hold its maximum concentration of information and light energy is created, and that's a human.

01:33:21.000 And so we've got this container that's holding billions of years of stress.

01:33:26.000 The result of stress when connected to nature is more life force, more intelligence, more beauty.

01:33:33.000 And so I loved what you said earlier because it's very important.

01:33:36.000 There's a chapter in my book that's looking at this kind of neo spiritualism of the utopia you mentioned.

01:33:41.000 And you kind of call BS from the beginning on that.

01:33:43.000 You're like, Humans have never done utopian things.

01:33:47.000 Humans are part of the stress mechanism of the planet.

01:33:50.000 I'm convinced of it because what we do all the time is we stress the system.

01:33:54.000 We finally invented airplanes, and the first thing we did was try to jump out of them.

01:33:58.000 Like, we just like stress.

01:34:00.000 We like the discomfort of pushing the envelope.

01:34:04.000 And I think we live on a planet in the middle of a universe that loves the same thing.

01:34:08.000 It loves the stress of it, it loves the friction of possibility, it loves death because immediately there's rebirth.

01:34:15.000 And every time there's a death, there's more opportunity for new creation, new imagination.

01:34:20.000 And so, when I say everything is perfect, It's literal.

01:34:24.000 It means everything is reimagining itself all the time.

01:34:27.000 And if humans do go extinct in these coming decades, that's part of a beautiful journey of life going iterating, iterating, iterating, iterating.

01:34:37.000 There's a moment, though, with every hospice patient where you suddenly get to see life return.

01:34:42.000 And sometimes they choose more life in the human body, and sometimes they're like, I'm gone.

01:34:48.000 That's where I belong over there.

01:34:50.000 I have a next thing.

01:34:52.000 I've been by so many near-death experiences, I can't even count them anymore.

01:34:55.000 But every time somebody dips across the veil of the human ego and the five sensory systems here, they see a universe that's so interconnected and has got absolutely nothing to do with the human mind and its perception and its effort to explain the universe.

01:35:13.000 It has nothing to do.

01:35:14.000 It's a full body experience.

01:35:17.000 It is that antenna going wide open and being like, this is what it is.

01:35:28.000 It's the one thing I wish I could do and I've never been able to do is just help humans feel that.

01:35:35.000 If you could feel what it felt like when somebody hasn't even come back to the point where they can tell you the near-death experience, but you're just standing there in witness to them and their antenna goes blowing wide open and you can feel what is in the field at that moment, there is nothing that compares to it.

01:35:55.000 Plant medicine, peak experiences, breath work.

01:35:59.000 Cold plunge, hot plunge, take your bye through any stress, you will not experience the amount of energetic information that comes through at that moment to that human antenna that's still biologically connected to Earth but is perceiving the whole story.

01:36:15.000 That's the end of addiction.

01:36:17.000 If you could feel that, there would be no more addiction on this planet because addiction is the necessary behavior of an organism that believes itself to be abandoned by its infinite reality.

01:36:30.000 Humans believed ourselves to be abandoned by nature.

01:36:33.000 We put it right in our definition.

01:36:35.000 You can probably pull it up Oxford English Dictionary.

01:36:37.000 Nature is everything in the firmament of the earth, minerals, plants, animals, as opposed to humans or anything humans have made.

01:36:45.000 Not only do we write ourselves out of nature, we put ourselves in opposition to nature as opposed to humans or anything humans have made.

01:36:50.000 That's the Oxford Dictionary's definition of nature?

01:36:53.000 As you start to think about this, that's the whole story.

01:36:53.000 Really.

01:36:59.000 It's when we start to lose the antenna.

01:37:01.000 When we started dulling down the receptor and we started planting mental constructs, money is where things come from.

01:37:09.000 Money has never birthed anything.

01:37:09.000 No.

01:37:12.000 Women birth life. 1.00

01:37:13.000 Money does not. 1.00

01:37:14.000 Biology is self-perpetuating, always for more beauty, more intelligence.

01:37:20.000 Anytime we create an abstract system and say biology needs that, biology, living people need money.

01:37:27.000 Living people need ivy drips of vitamin C. Living humans need peptides injected.

01:37:32.000 It is the biggest.

01:37:35.000 Miss in the cosmos is humans that don't realize that we are the best antennas that have been made on this planet so far.

01:37:44.000 If we begin to use those, we will not do utopia.

01:37:48.000 We'll experience opportunities for stress that doesn't harm another individual.

01:37:54.000 This is the characteristic of a sovereign reality where everything is up leveling all of the time.

01:38:01.000 Something that gives up its life is not killed, it's literally giving its life to the next.

01:38:07.000 When you look at predation, You're thinking of the lion eating the antelope.

01:38:11.000 If you spend enough time with these indigenous groups, they can tell you which antelope is going to give itself to the lion.

01:38:20.000 It's not because it's weak or it's broken.

01:38:22.000 There's a relationship they can feel between the predator and the prey.

01:38:27.000 It's interesting that we call them prey.

01:38:29.000 Who's preying in this situation?

01:38:30.000 Who's about to go into an ascension process?

01:38:34.000 Is it the antelope or the lion?

01:38:36.000 But there's a relationship there in our indigenous understanding.

01:38:36.000 Maybe both.

01:38:39.000 This is where sacred hunting comes in.

01:38:42.000 Sacred hunting never went out to kill anything.

01:38:45.000 It came to receive more.

01:38:46.000 So if you go out in nature with the attitude of, I am going to receive the abundance of nature for my peoples, for my family, for my thing, and you see what nature is going to offer you, and this is the hunter gatherer tribes in spades here, but this is the change of mindset that we've got to go back to everything is sacred, everything is sovereign, and when we sit back into that relaxed relationship, but we never got kicked out of nature, everything our food, our shelter,

01:39:14.000 Our livelihoods are going to come from nature, not money.

01:39:17.000 When we make that subtle shift of trusting this planet again, then we start turning on the antenna.

01:39:25.000 The antenna.

01:39:26.000 And then our intelligence comes back on.

01:39:29.000 And then our memory comes back on.

01:39:31.000 And we don't have to sit around being like, I wonder how those pyramids got built.

01:39:34.000 We will be connected to that information because it's all still here.

01:39:39.000 I want to go back to that.

01:39:40.000 But I want to push back on this idea that people can survive plagues if they don't have immunity to it.

01:39:49.000 Because one of the best examples where that seems to have wiped out an entire civilization is all these.

01:39:57.000 Sites they keep finding in the Amazon. 0.60

01:40:00.000 When you read about the lost city of Z, you read about the initial European explorers who made their way into the Amazon, they found this thriving civilization, they went back 200 years ago, 200 years later, there's nothing.

01:40:14.000 The predominant theory is that they brought with them smallpox and a bunch of other diseases, they spread like wildfire to a bunch of people that didn't have immunity to it and they died.

01:40:25.000 Who's living more in harmony with nature than those people that were living in the Amazon?

01:40:29.000 I mean, they're living in complete harmony with nature.

01:40:31.000 They just didn't have the immunity to deal with European diseases.

01:40:37.000 So, you're telling me a story that I cannot answer because the story is abstract itself.

01:40:44.000 How so?

01:40:45.000 Because you're painting a picture, A, that somebody knows that there was smallpox that went across those peoples.

01:40:49.000 Well, we know there was smallpox, and we know that smallpox did most certainly wipe out a lot of Native Americans as well as a lot of European settlers.

01:40:58.000 Was it because they were malnourished? 1.00

01:41:00.000 That's certainly possible.

01:41:01.000 I mean, that's certainly a question.

01:41:02.000 I guess I would just say when.

01:41:03.000 When do we have evidence that they started dying of smallpox? 0.96

01:41:06.000 I think that's after we displaced them from their tribal origins. 0.59

01:41:10.000 After we displaced them from their connected ecologies.

01:41:11.000 That's hard to say because it seems like there's a lot of evidence that it spread through tribes and even tribes that were on their own, that there was a real problem.

01:41:21.000 But the other question is it wasn't always bountiful, like wherever Native Americans were.

01:41:29.000 Times where they had like serious famine and they didn't have food sources that were nutritious and they did their best to stay alive.

01:41:40.000 It wasn't always like, look at all the deer and all the fish and we have fruits and vegetables everywhere, we're fine.

01:41:47.000 No, there was certainly times where these nomadic people ran into a bad situation. 0.99

01:41:53.000 And if you introduce a new disease, a novel disease that they don't have an immunity to during that time, that could most certainly wipe them out, despite the fact that they're living. 1.00

01:42:04.000 In nature, they don't have the resources that's required to keep a biological system perfectly functioning and healthy.

01:42:12.000 They're struggling.

01:42:13.000 They're barely getting by.

01:42:15.000 I could totally see how people like that, you know.

01:42:19.000 We like to think that, you know, everybody that lived in North America before the Europeans came had it nailed.

01:42:27.000 They lived perfectly. 0.59

01:42:27.000 Well, no. 0.59

01:42:28.000 Tribal hunter gatherer people that are nomadic, like sometimes you run into a bad place.

01:42:35.000 Sometimes you're You know, you're in an area that has no game. 0.98

01:42:39.000 That's just how it goes.

01:42:41.000 You have a bunch of mouths to feed, and things go wrong.

01:42:43.000 And if they're in that kind of a situation, they catch smallpox, they're going to be compromised.

01:42:48.000 Their immune system will be compromised. 0.99

01:42:49.000 And there was widespread contact with these diseases that came from these Europeans who also weren't very healthy and came over here on boats. 1.00

01:42:49.000 Completely makes sense. 1.00

01:42:58.000 That's got to be fucking terrible for you. 0.98

01:43:00.000 You're on a boat for three months. 0.99

01:43:01.000 What kind of food are you eating?

01:43:02.000 And then you get here and you're spreading all your junk to all these other people that have no idea what that is.

01:43:08.000 I think you're now you're on the button of it.

01:43:11.000 And so it was less about the condition of the people that were native to this land. 0.96

01:43:15.000 It was more about the divorce of the people that were incoming from nature.

01:43:19.000 We're incoming from nature.

01:43:21.000 Those settlers or those industrial colonists who were coming over from Spain or otherwise, it was their radical divorce for thousands of years of innovations of clothing and horses and all these different layers of technology that interrupted their food systems and their relationship to nature. 0.85

01:43:41.000 They were coming over here sick. 0.95

01:43:42.000 I agree with that.

01:43:44.000 It's likely that that may have been more of the imprint, less of an infectious disease and more of a dissonant imbalance.

01:43:52.000 I think what we now know about the gut microbiome is that it has an immediate feedback loop to stress signals, cortisol specifically.

01:44:00.000 If you're a Spanish colonial army that shows up with weapons that have never been seen before, and you've got this marauding belief that you're separate from nature, and so you need to go steal as much as possible because you don't have enough.

01:44:17.000 That's the downstream of the abandonment disorder of humanity is scarcity mentality, which then breeds empire rise and fall and colonialism and ownership models and all of this. 0.93

01:44:26.000 And so you come over with this marauding new species.

01:44:30.000 Let's think of it as a new species because up until this point, none of the indigenous cultures here saw themselves as separate from nature.

01:44:37.000 All of their 40,000 years of traditional practice where we are integrated in nature, we are an element between the cosmos and the earth.

01:44:45.000 We sit in this fine little beautiful zone between heaven and earth, and this is human.

01:44:49.000 This is the experience of being an antenna that's connected to this cosmos, connected to planet earth.

01:44:54.000 And a great example of that is Aztec architecture that literally mirrors the cosmos.

01:45:00.000 Mirrors the cosmos as did the Egyptians.

01:45:03.000 And so all of them were building these pyramids in 13 degree angles, just like Orion's belt. 0.99

01:45:09.000 And so you've got Pleiadian star clusters lasered into the stones in Peru and the temples that are built underground there, like crazy stuff.

01:45:19.000 Because we were antennae to the universe and we were antennae to the earth.

01:45:22.000 We sat feeling them both.

01:45:24.000 That's the magic of being human you can feel both.

01:45:27.000 This is a very magical moment.

01:45:28.000 And my patients that are dying, And are letting go of these bias, they're certainly cosmic in scale.

01:45:33.000 They'll tell you exactly which planets they go to and how they expand into the universe, become stars, all kinds of crazy stuff in their near death experiences.

01:45:41.000 But they're not on Earth at that moment.

01:45:43.000 So I think this wonderful moment of being an antenna, a biological antenna, not the physics of a soul, some identity that sits outside of biologic space time, but an antenna that's now biologically connected to more energy per cubic centimeter than it will ever feel because the cosmos doesn't do energy as well as life.

01:46:02.000 A sun doesn't do as much concentrated energy as life.

01:46:07.000 This is this precious moment.

01:46:09.000 You imagine these people for tens of thousands of years designing, expressing these incredible technologies the pyramids and space travel and everything else that they're doing at this time unbelievable connectivity.

01:46:20.000 Then along comes a species that look human, except they think they don't belong to Earth.

01:46:27.000 They think they got abandoned.

01:46:29.000 The whole kicked out of the garden thing has played itself out.

01:46:32.000 They come in with this.

01:46:34.000 Killing mentality that is different than the prey and predator relationship that peoples had with each other, I'm sure, too.

01:46:40.000 It wasn't just lions and antelopes.

01:46:43.000 There was a predation between humans from our beginning, too.

01:46:46.000 We are a natural system.

01:46:47.000 We live, we die, we rebirth, we re death.

01:46:50.000 When our antennas are wide open, we understand the relationship and the flow of life as it goes through its ascension process.

01:46:57.000 But here comes this species that is fundamentally opposed to life, it is antibiotic in its behavioral relationship to Earth.

01:47:06.000 The stress that would have been felt in the neurologic system from people that had been interconnected and understanding space and having anything we're talking about, what they would have felt in that time would have, I think, been the infectious disease.

01:47:19.000 Just like the boxed apple juice that came along to break the relationship of 40,000 years of abundance for the Achuar tribe and now put them in poverty, the same thing could happen energetically at the spiritual or psycho spiritual or psycho awareness.

01:47:33.000 That antenna could suddenly break if suddenly you felt like you were actually in danger.

01:47:39.000 And isn't that what we feel when we feel a sociopath in our presence?

01:47:42.000 Don't we suddenly viscerally feel something like this is actually dangerous? 0.99

01:47:47.000 Other people can be mean, they can be assholes, but it's that antenna goes up. 0.95

01:47:51.000 And so imagine a whole civilization feeling for the most part this foreign object coming at them and it's shooting them and it's killing them and it's tearing up their gardens and it's got horses which have never been seen on this continent. 0.98

01:48:06.000 The cortisol level goes berserk, immune system shuts down, microbiome of the gut collapses.

01:48:12.000 And suddenly, they are experiencing diseases in the West, not because the pathogens were bad, not because some element of nature suddenly leapt across the ocean and attacked them, but because they went out of relationship, the antenna shut down, they lost the context of an interconnected biosis relationship with heaven and earth.

01:48:30.000 I think that's where we start to really see honestly what was happening at that time.

01:48:34.000 It was fear that was bringing it, it was guilt, shame of being kicked out of nature, it was energetic signals that were breaking.

01:48:42.000 The informational stream, the field of connectivity that humans were probably suspended into that time. 0.99

01:48:48.000 But even before the Europeans arrived, the Aztecs were doing horrific shit to each other. 0.99

01:48:55.000 Like in the consecration of the temple of, is it Tenochtitlan? 0.99

01:48:59.000 Mm hmm.

01:49:00.000 Where they killed someone, one of a Spanish chronicler named Diaz said that they killed as many as 80,000 people over four days.

01:49:09.000 They sacrificed them.

01:49:12.000 Like these are, this is not like, A balanced living with nature civilization, we're talking about, the Aztecs. 0.99

01:49:20.000 They were doing some wild shit, man. 0.97

01:49:25.000 I understand that, but they had survived by enslaving people and ritually sacrificing them. 1.00

01:49:31.000 So that's your European . 0.95

01:49:32.000 But okay.

01:49:34.000 So that's a European seeing a system and projecting its belief of its own broken relationship with nature and everything else.

01:49:41.000 But do you think that they had a harmonious connection with nature? 0.71

01:49:44.000 By sacrificing slaves?

01:49:46.000 I can't defend that because I wasn't there to experience it, but I'll tell you a different story that might make you question it.

01:49:51.000 Please do. 0.99

01:49:52.000 Because for me to tell you what the Aztecs were, that's a bullshit story. 0.57

01:49:55.000 I can't tell you, but in my own lived experience with tribes in that exact area, when I spend time with them, my... 0.97

01:50:04.000 I start to sense this bigger reality. 0.57

01:50:07.000 And if you look deeper at the stories of the Aztecs, so one of the classic things that they did human sacrifice in was their sports.

01:50:15.000 And so they had a game that looked a lot like Some combination of soccer and basketball.

01:50:20.000 They had a little tiny ball that they could strike with any part of their body except their hands.

01:50:25.000 They couldn't throw it.

01:50:27.000 The Mayans did that, right?

01:50:27.000 Yeah.

01:50:27.000 The Mayans have this sport, and they've got this tiny little hoop way up on the wall of the playing field, which were huge.

01:50:34.000 They're like as big as your lacrosse field or something like this.

01:50:37.000 They got these huge fields in the middle of these pyramidic structures of stone, and way up on the wall of one of these would be this tiny little hoop that was hardly bigger than the ball itself.

01:50:46.000 You had to bump it with your shoulder or kick it through that little hoop.

01:50:50.000 The games would last for days.

01:50:51.000 It was kind of like some version of your British sports that go on and on.

01:50:57.000 That go on and on.

01:50:59.000 But at any rate, the winner would be then taken to the front, and the captain of the team would be beheaded.

01:51:09.000 Yeah, not a lot of incentive.

01:51:11.000 Not a lot of incentive.

01:51:13.000 Not a lot of incentive to score. 0.96

01:51:15.000 That's why the games took for fucking ever. 0.93

01:51:17.000 That's why they lasted days. 0.98

01:51:19.000 Nobody wanted to win.

01:51:21.000 They didn't want to win, or was the incentive not to stay alive?

01:51:24.000 Well, the Kings weren't cutting their own heads off if someone won, right?

01:51:28.000 They were cutting the heads off of the guy who was the winner, and probably reluctantly.

01:51:35.000 I mean— We can make all kinds of suppositions about this. 0.87

01:51:38.000 Maybe they were looking forward to being sacrificed.

01:51:39.000 It's very possible.

01:51:40.000 I think that's a good thing.

01:51:41.000 But human instincts don't align with that.

01:51:44.000 Human instincts align with people try to avoid death whenever possible.

01:51:47.000 I totally agree that while we're still veiled between the five senses that make us think that things end at that point.

01:51:55.000 The consecration of a temple that you probably didn't build in the first place because one of the problems with the Aztec temples is they don't claim they built them.

01:52:07.000 They found them.

01:52:08.000 They found them already built and they literally call them the place where the gods were born.

01:52:13.000 Some of these incredible structures were built who knows how much longer before the Aztecs were there.

01:52:21.000 They describe it, they don't say they built them.

01:52:23.000 They inhabited them, say, with Egypt.

01:52:25.000 It was built thousands of years before the modern Egyptians showed up. 0.99

01:52:27.000 Likely. 1.00

01:52:28.000 The Egypt one is a little more complicated. 1.00

01:52:32.000 Because there's so much of it and it's so big.

01:52:35.000 It's not that the Aztec one isn't complicated because it certainly is.

01:52:38.000 So is the Mayan one.

01:52:40.000 I've only been to Mayan pyramids, I've been to Chichen Itza. 0.83

01:52:43.000 It was fucking incredible. 0.97

01:52:45.000 It's insane. 0.98

01:52:46.000 You just try to wrap your head around what this society must have been like at its peak.

01:52:53.000 But that's also the belief that these people encountered European diseases as well. 1.00

01:52:59.000 That's why they just sort of dropped off and vanished, just like the Amazons. 1.00

01:53:04.000 So I think there's a risk of us imprinting our current belief systems on a distant past that we can't remember. 1.00

01:53:12.000 Well, sure.

01:53:12.000 I mean, there's really—they don't really know what happened to the minds.

01:53:12.000 Yeah.

01:53:16.000 That's where I'll stop.

01:53:17.000 There's a lot of guessing.

01:53:18.000 But the prominent theory, the predominant theory, I think, is disease.

01:53:20.000 And so I don't want to leave people hanging and think that I'm out to create a new humanity where it's okay to kill 80,000 people.

01:53:28.000 I don't think you're saying that.

01:53:29.000 The concept of death no longer is seen as an endpoint.

01:53:38.000 The concept of death becomes an evolution, not an endpoint.

01:53:41.000 This is what all indigenous people do.

01:53:44.000 Spend some time in Nepal, go to Tibet. 1.00

01:53:47.000 Their whole culture is in reverence to death. 0.99

01:53:49.000 Well, they have those Tibetan sky funerals. 1.00

01:53:53.000 Those are wild.

01:53:53.000 Sky funerals.

01:53:54.000 And people are horrified by that.

01:53:56.000 But I was like, as long as you knew that they didn't have to get that HBO autopsy guy to exhume your body because your husband killed you or whatever it is, as long as you know that you died in a normal, natural way.

01:54:10.000 Isn't that kind of better to let the vultures eat you?

01:54:12.000 It's kind of what you're supposed to be.

01:54:15.000 You're supposed to cycle back into nature.

01:54:17.000 We're so weird that we say, nah, you can't have me.

01:54:20.000 And we poison ourselves so that we can go visit grandpa in the funeral home when he's embalmed.

01:54:26.000 He's embalmed with toxic chemicals that are going to keep his body from decaying.

01:54:30.000 So much so that you can dig him up a couple years later and find, oh my God, Nana poisoned him.

01:54:35.000 You know?

01:54:36.000 Because that's what happens.

01:54:37.000 They find out.

01:54:37.000 That starts our new commentary about marriage.

01:54:43.000 Yeah, well, about humans.

01:54:44.000 I think there's something that's going on.

01:54:47.000 That was just one example.

01:54:49.000 About humans.

01:54:50.000 I think there's something that's a little bit.

01:54:53.000 It could be a bunch of people.

01:54:53.000 That was just one example.

01:54:56.000 There's nurses that poison people. 1.00

01:54:58.000 There's a lot of crazy people out there.

01:55:00.000 But the point is, we're very strange in that the most common way we take care of bodies is we fill them up with chemicals that make it so that the rest of nature can absorb us.

01:55:11.000 It's because we have no reverence for death because we think it's an endpoint.

01:55:14.000 So we cling to these containers as if this was the story.

01:55:18.000 And that's what I got to see in hospice over and over again.

01:55:21.000 It's the moment.

01:55:22.000 People pierce the veil and realize the antenna can sense everything again.

01:55:26.000 That's when they realize this body is a tiny story of me.

01:55:29.000 This is a tiny part of my experience and it's precious because at that moment of being human, I felt heartbreak.

01:55:36.000 I felt suffering.

01:55:38.000 I felt fear.

01:55:39.000 I felt guilt.

01:55:41.000 I felt shame.

01:55:42.000 None of which you can feel when you let go and pierce that veil.

01:55:47.000 On the other side is radical connectivity.

01:55:49.000 On the other side of that veil is radical.

01:55:52.000 Connectivity energetically, you feel everything stars, moonscapes, everything.

01:55:57.000 You are in this singularity moment, and that's what you can feel in your body.

01:56:03.000 Like, I continue to get so moved by what I feel right now when I just tell you about what it feels like to be in the presence of somebody in that moment when their antenna goes wide open and they still have a biological antenna that can both transmit and receive information. 0.87

01:56:18.000 The amount of information around death is so vast, and this is why the Tibetans honor it so thoroughly.

01:56:26.000 Is this that?

01:56:27.000 Precious one moment where a human antenna gets the entire download and can still transmit it.

01:56:34.000 And so, if we are not sitting in the rooms with our elders that are dying, we are missing the biggest download of life.

01:56:42.000 And we will only find it out when we're on our deathbed, probably dying alone.

01:56:47.000 And so, this is what I'm talking about I see a world not without death.

01:56:52.000 I see a world where death becomes the biggest moment of transformation.

01:56:56.000 And 10% of people that go through that. have to be discharged from hospice six months later because they went on to live a new life.

01:57:05.000 Their diseases go away.

01:57:06.000 Their health recovers.

01:57:07.000 Their biology returns.

01:57:08.000 And they have a different relationship with their children.

01:57:12.000 They go and start creating art they've never created.

01:57:15.000 These near-death experiences are trippy, and 10% is a huge number.

01:57:19.000 As a hospice doctor, I was admitting 80 patients a week to die.

01:57:22.000 As eight patients a week that are doing what they weren't supposed to do, they were supposed to die, and they're not doing it.

01:57:29.000 In fact, they are showing so much more life after they glimpsed that everything's perfect.

01:57:33.000 And they took a deep breath and said, I've got one more thing to express before I let go of this finite moment.

01:57:40.000 And this is our precious experience that we have.

01:57:44.000 And I think, honestly, I think you're embodying something of this for humanity to look at.

01:57:49.000 You're one of those rare personalities that gets on this seismic launch into the public eye.

01:57:56.000 Wealth comes rushing to you.

01:57:58.000 That wasn't even expected.

01:57:59.000 You set out to have some fun with some friends, and then this happened.

01:58:04.000 And you are one of the few people in the public eye right now that didn't allow that to break your relationship to your nature.

01:58:11.000 And you stayed connected to the people that are building stuff, that are making cars.

01:58:15.000 And that's what I grew up doing.

01:58:17.000 I love it.

01:58:17.000 That's what keeps us real turning wrenches, getting the car to go faster, building a house.

01:58:22.000 I built my own home.

01:58:25.000 I live in the woods of Virginia and built my home there.

01:58:28.000 I'm living with my partner down in Panama.

01:58:31.000 She's building a whole village down there. 0.76

01:58:33.000 It's amazing to see what is going to happen when women start doing development on this planet. 1.00

01:58:37.000 It's going to be spectacular. 1.00

01:58:39.000 going to be spectacular.

01:58:40.000 But what I'm feeling is this return to being human where I am receiving so much information and I need no money to be happy.

01:58:51.000 If we keep making money, the source by which we will be safe, fed, housed, everything else, we will continue in our abstract relationship to nature.

01:58:59.000 When we start reforming all human systems in the context of a nature that is not only abundant, it does not know death.

01:59:07.000 It only knows transformation, transformation, transformation, transformation, more complexity, more beauty, more intelligence.

01:59:13.000 And so this is where we can start to lose the fear of death and start to move into this more reverent state of sovereignty where we understand that we are fully resourced, not by Elon Musk's minimum wage of half a million dollars.

01:59:26.000 We are resourced by nature itself, by life itself.

01:59:29.000 Because we are cellular creatures, we had to be fully resourced to occur in our mother's womb.

01:59:35.000 We needed no money to take one cell into 70 trillion cells inhabited by 14 quadrillion mitochondria that concentrate sunlight 10,000 times brighter than the sun.

01:59:44.000 That happened without money.

01:59:46.000 This all sounds great, but how do you get the money to get a saw to cut the wood to make your house?

01:59:52.000 Why did the money have to enter it?

01:59:54.000 The tree is the tree.

01:59:54.000 How did you get the saw?

01:59:55.000 Did you make the saw?

01:59:56.000 Yeah.

01:59:57.000 What kind of saw do you have?

01:59:57.000 Okay.

01:59:58.000 Do you have a circular saw?

02:00:00.000 Do you have one of those nice ones?

02:00:04.000 Sawzalls?

02:00:05.000 Why would we need money for that either? 0.92

02:00:07.000 Well, someone's got to build it.

02:00:08.000 So someone's got to make a factory.

02:00:10.000 So someone's got to make the internal engine that spins that wheel a thousand times a minute or whatever it is.

02:00:16.000 And so all you're talking about is a concentration of energy.

02:00:18.000 Right, but someone's got to put the resources in to do that.

02:00:22.000 They have to source the steel.

02:00:23.000 What if it was nature that put the resources in instead of the Fed?

02:00:26.000 So the Fed's printing fake money.

02:00:28.000 Right, but you've got to motivate people to innovate a thing.

02:00:32.000 Do you have to motivate people to create?

02:00:34.000 Well, certain things.

02:00:35.000 There's a reason why people do it because they know they can make some money off of it, you know?

02:00:40.000 When they make those, there's engineers, there's a bunch of designers, they all work for money and they all like figure out how much electricity it's going to run on, what the engine's going to be, how fast it has to be, what's the best steel for the blades.

02:00:58.000 There's money involved in all that because they have to have a warehouse where they have to build it, they have to pay people to pay their health care, pay their dental, they have to take care of them.

02:01:08.000 So you've got union dues and fees, and there's a bunch of money being exchanged because people want a reason to show up at work to do the work to make these.

02:01:08.000 Maybe they have a union, okay?

02:01:17.000 Saws, because they're very difficult to make.

02:01:19.000 It takes multiple people.

02:01:20.000 There's a whole chain of different material science people that have to be involved.

02:01:26.000 That's perfect.

02:01:27.000 So you just gave a perfect synopsis of the last 200 years.

02:01:30.000 Yeah.

02:01:31.000 And so the Industrial Revolution. 0.98

02:01:32.000 Right, but that's how you make a house.

02:01:34.000 That's how you make this table. 1.00

02:01:35.000 People have to work.

02:01:36.000 But we built houses and castles and pyramids that were much greater than any house built today without the money.

02:01:42.000 Yeah, but they had something, okay?

02:01:43.000 Like houses, for sure, they had money.

02:01:48.000 Like, which houses?

02:01:49.000 Like, if you go back 400 years, 500 years ago, they definitely had money.

02:01:52.000 10,000 years ago.

02:01:53.000 Pyramids.

02:01:53.000 They were paying people.

02:01:54.000 Did they build a lot of money?

02:01:54.000 It's a good question.

02:01:56.000 We really don't.

02:01:57.000 They just had a lot of money, so they built a pyramid?

02:01:59.000 Well, we don't know how they sourced the resources, and we don't know how they got the people to do the work, and we don't know what the technology was involved in terms of planning.

02:02:07.000 We really don't know.

02:02:08.000 But I do know what it wasn't, which was something like the Fed.

02:02:13.000 Well, it probably wasn't that.

02:02:13.000 And so it's not an abstract monetary system that has nothing to do with life that built pyramids.

02:02:19.000 Well, yeah, we don't know, right?

02:02:21.000 But we would assume that it would be more sophisticated than that because the pyramid's more sophisticated than that.

02:02:27.000 We would like to think that it would be different.

02:02:29.000 Pyramids are more sophisticated than that.

02:02:31.000 We would like to think that it would be different.

02:02:34.000 We are also trapped in thinking that the system that we currently find ourselves operating in is the only way human beings can operate.

02:02:41.000 This is my belief about the pyramids and about a lot of these ancient structures.

02:02:46.000 I think we assume that because we are on a specific direction in terms of technological innovation, that this is the only direction that human beings could have ever gone.

02:02:57.000 I have a feeling that that is absolutely not the case, and I think the pyramids are the best example of that.

02:03:02.000 I think they went in a different direction.

02:03:04.000 We don't know what direction that was because I think, along the lines of what Graham believes and what Randall Carlson believes and a lot of these other folks, that there was some sort of a great cataclysm.

02:03:16.000 And this is the source of the flood myths that exist in all ancient religions.

02:03:21.000 And this is somewhere around 11,000 plus years ago.

02:03:25.000 And I think that probably wiped out a lot of information on how things were made and what they did and why they were doing it the way they did it.

02:03:33.000 And I think modern archaeology just saying, you know, oh, they use sand and push stones. 0.99

02:03:39.000 Like, you can go fuck yourself. 1.00

02:03:40.000 You go do that, bitch. 1.00

02:03:42.000 Can you go figure out how to carry a 500 ton stone through the mountains hundreds of miles away? 1.00

02:03:50.000 Go fuck yourself. 1.00

02:03:51.000 You can't, you're lying to me. 1.00

02:03:53.000 You're pretending to be an expert and you're lying to me because you're not willing to say this baffles us to no end.

02:04:00.000 We have no understanding of what tools were used in order to create these incredibly symmetrical statues.

02:04:06.000 Never, Forget about the pyramid itself.

02:04:09.000 Forget about the things that are you aware of Filippo Biondi and his work out of Italy?

02:04:15.000 The stuff that they're finding underneath the pyramids is baffling.

02:04:19.000 Yeah.

02:04:20.000 Baffling.

02:04:20.000 The LIDAR systems of their instruments.

02:04:23.000 Baffling.

02:04:24.000 20 meters in diameter, huge columns with spirals wrapped around them.

02:04:24.000 Yeah.

02:04:29.000 Like, what's that?

02:04:30.000 Why does it go a kilometer into the earth?

02:04:33.000 This is crazy.

02:04:35.000 Is it crazy or is it actually something we're actually living the truth of?

02:04:38.000 Well, I have a feeling it was an insanely advanced society that existed there.

02:04:44.000 And I think there's just not a lot of evidence because the cataclysmic event of 11,000 years ago was probably so destructive that very few people survived.

02:04:54.000 And the people that did survive, they just had stories and they just had survival skills and they had to live in whatever way was possible in order to carry on the human race.

02:05:06.000 But I think all semblance of a technologically sophisticated society.

02:05:11.000 That existed pre 11,000 years ago was all but wiped out.

02:05:15.000 And I think that's why society reemerges around 6,000 years ago.

02:05:19.000 And I think that's what that is.

02:05:21.000 It's a reemerging.

02:05:22.000 And it's not a coincidence that all these societies that did emerge around 6,000 plus years ago, all of them have this flood myth.

02:05:30.000 They all have these stories of these cataclysms.

02:05:32.000 Because that story was passed on generation after generation, all the people that survived.

02:05:36.000 And what we're getting is the ultimate game of telephone.

02:05:40.000 We're getting the ultimate game of people telling a story, and then you tell a story, and then by the time it gets to Jamie, Who knows what's missing?

02:05:47.000 Who knows what's been added?

02:05:48.000 Who knows what Pharaoh has added his touch to it or what king has decided that this part can't be in there because it doesn't jive with this particular religious text that I believe in?

02:06:00.000 It's a real problem.

02:06:01.000 It's a real problem when we go back and we try to figure out what happened in history.

02:06:04.000 But the things that should confound everyone and should absolutely remind you that we don't know are the pyramids.

02:06:13.000 They should just remind you.

02:06:15.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:06:16.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:06:17.000 There's no way you know. 1.00

02:06:18.000 You don't know what was going on. 0.94

02:06:20.000 We could only make guesses, and we have to be very open minded when we make these guesses because the sheer scale of these fantastic creations, and not just them, the labyrinths that go underneath it, the one that has this enormous 40 meter long metallic object that's under the ground that they don't know what the fuck it is. 0.87

02:06:41.000 Herodotus talked about these labyrinths.

02:06:44.000 These are greater than Giza, he said.

02:06:47.000 What were these people doing, and how did they do it?

02:06:50.000 We don't know.

02:06:54.000 You have such an important couple of words in there.

02:06:57.000 One of them is this knowing concept.

02:06:59.000 Yes.

02:07:01.000 If we continue to try to make stories out of our mind to explain the world we live in, the cosmos, and then all of its complexities or the human body and its miraculous thing, we're going to end up with very disempowered versions of reality.

02:07:15.000 So, what should we do instead?

02:07:16.000 Feel it instead of know it.

02:07:18.000 Okay.

02:07:18.000 Well, how do you feel how they made the pyramids?

02:07:20.000 You're already doing it.

02:07:21.000 I'm watching you do it because you keep looking up here every time you're like really going after the pyramids.

02:07:26.000 You look way up.

02:07:27.000 I do that with everything when I'm trying to think.

02:07:28.000 Exactly.

02:07:29.000 Yeah.

02:07:30.000 But what's actually happening is once you've done that four or five times, your body starts putting the information in, and then you start speaking from some other thing than your mind.

02:07:39.000 That's when you come up with this conviction.

02:07:42.000 I can feel it.

02:07:43.000 When my antenna is open, I can feel you state your truth through your body language, through the energy you're transmitting across this table.

02:07:51.000 I'm not listening to your words anymore.

02:07:53.000 I'm feeling it.

02:07:54.000 Pyramids exist.

02:07:57.000 Things too complex to our own human mind and technologies exist.

02:08:01.000 They're here right now.

02:08:03.000 They're undeniable.

02:08:04.000 You're transmitting a truth that I don't have to work on the words, I can feel it and it lands.

02:08:11.000 For so long, I was trained to look up here, and I spent all of this time, 17 years in academia, looking up here, trying to find my information map of like, oh, there's that piece of information, and there's that piece of information.

02:08:24.000 Let me put that into a story because that's what I know.

02:08:26.000 I had my near death experience in 2010.

02:08:30.000 And when I experienced the peace and the opening that happens, it was a car accident in 2010.

02:08:36.000 When you have that experience, you suddenly realize that what you know is a fraction of what you can feel.

02:08:43.000 And you have so much more information at your experiential level of capacity to inform your biology than the mind will ever be able to create.

02:08:55.000 And so this is where we start to live telepathically.

02:08:57.000 And this could all be theoretical.

02:08:59.000 But I will tell you, I have seen thousands of patients in my clinics that are living this reality already.

02:09:05.000 They have already gone back to telepathic communication wide open, and they are called autistic people.

02:09:11.000 Autism is a neurologic development necessary at the end of a period of time when humans went into complete abstraction.

02:09:20.000 Money systems went abstract, have no relationship to nature.

02:09:23.000 We have medical systems that are actually chronic disease management systems that are bankrupting the world now.

02:09:30.000 $5 trillion in a year spent on disease management in the United States alone.

02:09:33.000 We are bankrupting the systems that got separated from nature.

02:09:38.000 They are going to collapse.

02:09:39.000 They are going to fail.

02:09:41.000 Suddenly, we develop a neurology that cannot be programmed with the old abstract systems and belief systems because they are feeling too much.

02:09:49.000 We call it sensory processing deficits.

02:09:52.000 But really, what it is is a mind that's no longer gated with excuses, with defense mechanisms, with tolerance levels of cognitive dissonance.

02:10:02.000 Is this why have you seen that there's one young boy who Flew over Manhattan in a helicopter and then he drew the entire skyline like completely accurately just from his memory.

02:10:16.000 His memory.

02:10:18.000 Yeah.

02:10:18.000 And it's, you know, a project that's become known as the Telepathy Tapes is a great example of it.

02:10:23.000 Yeah.

02:10:24.000 And I was on their second season of that talking through what I experienced in clinic is that we now have not just a theory of telepathic communication, we have the lived experience between thousands of people that are in their between space, between the words.

02:10:43.000 They are traveling to a unified location that they all agree exists, which is called the Hill.

02:10:48.000 And so they are having.

02:10:50.000 A experience in which massive amounts of information are being transmitted back and forth, and they cannot be programmed with death is bad and things.

02:11:00.000 They can't believe any of the abstract things we've been taught because they feel too much.

02:11:06.000 The reason I became so clear on this was total accident in my clinic, which is the only way new ideas come along is complete accidents because when we do scientific research, it's way too linear.

02:11:17.000 We see something, we're like, well, if that's happened, then this must be the way it is.

02:11:20.000 Well, if I just saw that, then this must be a way it is.

02:11:25.000 Knowledge based systems.

02:11:27.000 And so we get nowhere.

02:11:28.000 We go in circles in, well, cancer must be.

02:11:31.000 We've known cancer wasn't the problem.

02:11:31.000 Here we are.

02:11:33.000 We knew that cancer was a metabolic symptom, a symptom of metabolic collapse 100 years ago.

02:11:38.000 So well defined in medical literature, everything else.

02:11:41.000 Otto Warburg was the guy who broke the whole news in the 1920s.

02:11:45.000 So here we are 100 years later, still thinking like cancer is coming out of the woodwork and attacking healthy human bodies.

02:11:49.000 So we go on these linear things.

02:11:52.000 What we are forgetting is these leaps in awareness.

02:11:56.000 A much bigger antenna system is available to us.

02:12:00.000 And you only get there when you finally surrender your knowledge base and you start to feel what's happening in front of you.

02:12:06.000 And so I was taught that there was a disease called autism that was affecting our children.

02:12:09.000 And for years, I helped manage these people in clinics and everywhere they showed up in the medical system.

02:12:16.000 And I saw it as a disease, and my linear mind was always like, I got to fix that.

02:12:21.000 Maybe if I do this, I could fix the human brain.

02:12:23.000 Maybe if we flip this switch, it'll work.

02:12:25.000 Maybe if we put this chemical in their body, we can change their neurochemistry and get them to be able to tolerate a day.

02:12:33.000 My clinic that I launched in 2010 was called Revolution Health Center, a rural clinic, a town of 550 people, no resources monetarily.

02:12:42.000 There was no reason this was going to become an explosive hub of innovation if you measured it by money.

02:12:48.000 I was hemorrhaging money.

02:12:49.000 I was not making money as a doctor at all.

02:12:51.000 Rural doctor had left the hallowed halls and the marble halls of academia, and I started seeing autistic kids a lot in these rural environments and in these inner city urban environments where we have these really high penetrance of autism and it's not being diagnosed.

02:13:06.000 Because they don't have the resources to bring the attention to the child's five, seven years old.

02:13:10.000 By that time, there's been no resources brought to the kid.

02:13:13.000 Lots of undiagnosed autistic neurology out there.

02:13:17.000 I was seeing a lot of in clinic.

02:13:19.000 These kids are heavily affected, and the suffering is kind of through the roof.

02:13:23.000 They are hitting their head against a wall six, eight hours a day.

02:13:26.000 They have a callus on their forehead from rhythmically hitting their head, striking their head against a wall.

02:13:32.000 When they get upset, somebody comes in their environment, stresses them, and they start smearing feces and blood on the walls.

02:13:39.000 From a parenting aspect, the most horrific hell you can possibly live in, the amount of suffering being expressed.

02:13:46.000 These kids with highly affected autism are coming into my clinic and they can't even sit in front of you.

02:13:51.000 They run around in the clinic room and they can't make eye contact, they can't make physical contact, they're feeling too much and they'll go hide in a corner, hit their head against the wall, stim somehow.

02:14:00.000 They're stimming their body until the chaos of everything they're taking in is shut down to one signal of pain.

02:14:07.000 This is an intense way to see a human being.

02:14:10.000 And this kid's four years old sitting in front of you, and this mother is more exhausted than you've ever seen a human being.

02:14:16.000 And so we started trying to like go into the woodwork of like, what resources are we not thinking of here?

02:14:21.000 And by this time, I was starting to be exposed to Native American indigenous practices and new energetic therapies, Ibrahim Kareem stuff out of Egypt.

02:14:29.000 And it was like, okay, show me something.

02:14:32.000 Give me some tool here.

02:14:34.000 And we stumbled upon this very simple tool, which is called emotion code therapy.

02:14:39.000 And it's a simple way of bringing the mind into awareness of.

02:14:42.000 Where an emotion is stored inside of itself, and then you run a magnet over the forehead, over the top of the head to reset the magnetic pull of the water around the brain, and it changes the neurochemistry.

02:14:53.000 It was a powerful tool.

02:14:54.000 I was super excited about it.

02:14:56.000 But most of these kids coming in so affected wouldn't even get close enough for me to do the therapy.

02:15:01.000 We started doing it on the moms to show the kid, hey, this is safe, and they'd come in and get a couple treatments.

02:15:06.000 After two years of this, we started to realize all of the kids were improving before we ever got that treatment installed.

02:15:14.000 They were improving when mom got treated.

02:15:17.000 That started to make me realize they're not expressing a personal experience.

02:15:21.000 They're expressing a field effect.

02:15:23.000 Their antenna is wide open.

02:15:24.000 And when we removed mom's emotional stressors, the kid got better.

02:15:29.000 And so we started treating everybody in the field.

02:15:32.000 And a heavily autistic child will require three to five full time efforts to get.

02:15:38.000 So they got a grandma, two aunties, an uncle, two brothers that are taking care of the kid.

02:15:43.000 And we started treating the whole field.

02:15:45.000 Like anybody who has touch with this kid in a week, we want to see them.

02:15:48.000 We want to clear their emotional field.

02:15:51.000 The effect was just undeniably effective.

02:15:54.000 Every time you cleared another individual whose emotional field was being felt by the kid, the kid improved.

02:16:00.000 And so what I started to realize is these kids, because they are a wide open antenna that cannot damp themselves down, they don't have the filters that would allow them to survive in an abstract, fake environment that's artificial through and through.

02:16:14.000 They cannot do it.

02:16:15.000 And so all they can do is feel everything.

02:16:18.000 And now they're feeling what those native cultures must have felt when Europeans showed up for the first time.

02:16:24.000 Neurologic systems that are wide open, that suddenly see an abstract human being in the suffering they are in, will collapse its own neurology, will overwhelm the system.

02:16:37.000 And so, the same thing that our autistic are showing today, I believe, is very similar to what it must have felt like to be an Inca or Mayan in your habitat and suddenly see the field disrupted by a stress signal, an unbelievable signal that just broke the whole field.

02:16:55.000 So, we have stories about floods.

02:16:58.000 But we're still thinking of the flood as a physical wave of water that came over.

02:17:03.000 Is it possible that the flood was actually a neurologic experience of overwhelm that wiped out the entire memory bank?

02:17:12.000 Did we do that when a sector of humanity truly experienced and believed itself to be separate from nature for a moment?

02:17:19.000 Was there an original band of people?

02:17:20.000 I don't think it has.

02:17:21.000 They're mutually exclusive.

02:17:24.000 I think there's a lot of physical evidence that the impact, the Younger Dryas impact theory specifically is wrong.

02:17:31.000 I agree, water goes up and down.

02:17:32.000 I agree that there's massive floods.

02:17:34.000 But when we talk about the Inca and the Aztec, there was no flood at that time.

02:17:38.000 So, what I'm really getting at is is it possible there's something other than just physical floods?

02:17:43.000 Can there be energetic floods?

02:17:44.000 So, in that case, these settlers coming across, not just the diseases, but just the fact that they were there, they can't shatter us. 0.94

02:18:00.000 They're cutting people's arms off if they don't give them their weight in gold.

02:18:05.000 They're breaking the field.

02:18:07.000 Yeah, you've read some of the depictions.

02:18:09.000 There was, was it a bishop or someone traveled with some religious person traveled with Columbus's first crew and wrote these horrific depictions of what they did to the native people that they found.

02:18:25.000 And once they found that these people had gold, that they demanded their weight in gold, were cutting their arms off and dashing babies' heads on rocks.

02:18:33.000 Horrific stuff. 0.86

02:18:34.000 I forget the guy who it was, but it was some religious figure who traveled with them.

02:18:39.000 Here he is.

02:18:42.000 Bartolome de las Casas.

02:18:44.000 So he's a Spanish lawyer, clergyman, writer, and activist, best known for his work as a historian and social reformer.

02:18:52.000 So this is the guy.

02:18:54.000 And so he recorded what the Spanish settlers did.

02:19:00.000 He described and rallied against the atrocities committed by the conquistadors against the indigenous people.

02:19:06.000 Arriving as one of the first Spanish settlers in America, Las Casas initially participated in the colonial economy built on forced indigenous labor.

02:19:14.000 But eventually, he felt compelled to oppose the abuses committed by European colonists against the indigenous population.

02:19:21.000 So, he's one of the reasons why we know that we probably shouldn't be celebrating Columbus Day.

02:19:25.000 He probably wasn't a great guy.

02:19:26.000 Yeah.

02:19:28.000 And I wish it was distant history, but it's still happening.

02:19:31.000 Yes.

02:19:32.000 The cartels are still doing that down and throughout this whole region that we're talking about.

02:19:36.000 And they're still beheading people with machetes and they're still at this.

02:19:39.000 And we, as the United States, have killed more people than any other peoples in history.

02:19:45.000 We have been a machine of death for 250 years like none other.

02:19:49.000 And we've done it in the name of freedom.

02:19:51.000 We've done it in the name of our God is better than your God.

02:19:54.000 And so we have used these altruistic shields to become the biggest death machine in the world.

02:20:00.000 An incredible medical paper was published just recently in The Lancet.

02:20:04.000 And it looked at the number of global deaths from just US economic sanctions over the last 40 years.

02:20:11.000 And the number was around 35 million people dead.

02:20:15.000 35 million people dead, not with a single tank, not with a single plane in the air, not a single drone.

02:20:21.000 From economic sanctions.

02:20:24.000 So, when we keep telling ourselves that we need money for our own health, for our own houses, we need health care insurance, therefore, we need money, the assurance of health will never come from a company that doesn't care about you.

02:20:37.000 It will always come from biology, it will always come from an earth that allowed you to conceive in your mother's womb.

02:20:42.000 Well, we're in a very perverted system.

02:20:44.000 If health is dependent upon these organizations whose primary focus is to make the most money possible.

02:20:51.000 That's crazy.

02:20:52.000 And then recommend to you drugs that you absolutely don't need, and then hide studies that these drugs are damaging to you.

02:20:59.000 It's crazy unless you think that everything comes from money, and then it makes sense.

02:21:03.000 Yeah.

02:21:05.000 Well, it makes sense that, you know, the old adage money is the root of all evil.

02:21:10.000 When did that get written?

02:21:12.000 Who wrote that?

02:21:13.000 What quote's that from?

02:21:14.000 I know that quote so well, I have no idea who wrote it.

02:21:17.000 Do you have any idea?

02:21:19.000 That's the oldest adage in politics.

02:21:21.000 I wonder who's credited with that.

02:21:23.000 They probably stole it from somebody else.

02:21:26.000 Does it say?

02:21:30.000 The Bible.

02:21:32.000 The Bible.

02:21:33.000 There you go.

02:21:35.000 Ah.

02:21:37.000 Wow.

02:21:40.000 There you go.

02:21:42.000 So that would have been Aramaic.

02:21:43.000 Yeah.

02:21:43.000 Timothy was speaking Aramaic.

02:21:45.000 Wow.

02:21:46.000 Aramaic was a critical language that has been forgotten in our Christian world of New Testament, Old Testaments, but most of it was written or spoken in Aramaic, not Hebrew or not Greek.

02:21:55.000 Dead Sea Scrolls.

02:21:56.000 It's all in Aramaic.

02:21:57.000 All in Aramaic.

02:21:58.000 The Dead Sea Scrolls are bananas.

02:22:00.000 Or bananas.

02:22:01.000 And if you look at the language of Aramaic, then we're getting a layer or two back from abstraction where there's actually shape to those that are actually transmitting information.

02:22:09.000 There's something about looking at that written language as well that's really compelling.

02:22:15.000 Your antenna's up. 0.99

02:22:16.000 Yeah, especially like old languages. 1.00

02:22:19.000 There's something about like old Hindu.

02:22:21.000 You look at like ancient Hindu scripts, ancient Tibetan scripts.

02:22:24.000 Look at Farsi.

02:22:25.000 Yes.

02:22:26.000 Farsi gives me goosebumps.

02:22:27.000 When I read Farsi, when you look at a Rumi poem written in Farsi, you realize he wasn't transmitting a poem.

02:22:34.000 He has so much mathematical truth in a thing that's in the form.

02:22:39.000 He's telling you geometry.

02:22:41.000 He's telling you sacred geometry, the fabric of the universe in the form of a language that is not symbolic.

02:22:50.000 It's a true depiction of information.

02:22:52.000 It really is interesting.

02:22:53.000 These ancient languages are so beautiful.

02:22:56.000 Ancient Hebrew is another one.

02:22:58.000 It's beautiful.

02:22:59.000 You look at it like this is wild to look at.

02:23:03.000 Then when you find out that ancient Hebrew, they didn't have numbers, so the letters doubled as numbers.

02:23:08.000 And so there was actually numerical value in words that were missing.

02:23:14.000 Like when the translations got to Latin and Greek and eventually English, like we lost what they were trying.

02:23:21.000 There was something that they were saying that if they could read it, they knew.

02:23:26.000 There was more context to these words that just simply, you know, you're talking about a bush, you're talking about a tree, you're talking about a lake.

02:23:33.000 Now there's something to it.

02:23:35.000 It's really, really interesting stuff because it's like, why did language get less complex as it got.

02:23:42.000 That seems strange.

02:23:42.000 More recent.

02:23:44.000 It got more symbolic.

02:23:46.000 So it wasn't necessarily the complexity that was the problem, it was that it separated itself from the actual information.

02:23:52.000 So now the word tree is a symbol of something that actually has never been a noun.

02:23:57.000 So now we have a word that has no movement in it.

02:24:00.000 It's a noun, it does not express movement, and we now assess 60% of the surface of the earth as a non living, non moving thing called a tree.

02:24:13.000 Whereas all native cultures, when you ask them what is that, they will use a verb.

02:24:18.000 And so what they're saying is that is treeing.

02:24:20.000 That's treeing.

02:24:21.000 That's treeing.

02:24:23.000 Really?

02:24:23.000 Nothing is a verb.

02:24:24.000 It's all verbs.

02:24:26.000 English was the first language to come around and characterize everything as a noun.

02:24:31.000 And that's why it became the language of science, is because science broke its relationship to motion.

02:24:36.000 It wanted everything to be static, therefore, studyable, therefore, we could control its variables.

02:24:41.000 And so every time somebody shows you a cancer study, shows you a cardiovascular disease study, I did this for years.

02:24:46.000 I've got a Peer reviewed science, everything else.

02:24:48.000 I was literally having to break every element of nature so that I could prove that my protein, COOP TF1, was the most important thing for cancer.

02:24:57.000 I had to break every relationship to nature that that cancer cell could possibly have before I could study that protein.

02:25:04.000 And so everything that we call trust the science these days is an aberration.

02:25:09.000 It's a symbol of life.

02:25:12.000 It is not life itself.

02:25:13.000 And so science itself has become this noun structured.

02:25:17.000 Belief system that has no flow in it.

02:25:20.000 There's no verbing happening in science.

02:25:23.000 There's a bacteria, there's a mitochondria, there's a human cell, and we think of those as three different things.

02:25:29.000 Now, it is life lifing, and what it's doing is finding more and more ways to stack complexity to get more and more light concentrated per cubic centimeter.

02:25:40.000 Everything is in one relationship.

02:25:41.000 There is no tree human thing.

02:25:44.000 There's life doing biosis, interconnected relationships.

02:25:49.000 This is getting very Fun now is like we actually got the science now to prove that we were wrong.

02:25:54.000 And so we think, okay, here's human DNA, double helix, Watson and Crick.

02:25:59.000 This is the Bible of the biologic kingdom now.

02:26:03.000 Everything comes from DNA, and human DNA is much better than bacterial DNA because bacteria just have little circle loops of DNA.

02:26:11.000 We have this beautiful spiraling double helix.

02:26:13.000 This has got to be the best in the land.

02:26:17.000 But then we start in 1992, we set out to decode the human genome, and we thought, well, this is going to be amazing.

02:26:24.000 40 year projects.

02:26:26.000 We knew how many genes we could decode each year with our genetic sequencers.

02:26:31.000 So we thought we were going to have to find 400,000 genes because we knew by this time that we had 400,000 different proteins in a human body.

02:26:38.000 So we were like, well, we need to find a gene for each of those because we knew that a gene made an RNA that then made a protein.

02:26:45.000 We knew how it worked.

02:26:45.000 Watson Creek started us off.

02:26:48.000 1996 rolls around and the team finishes 25 years ahead of schedule because there were not 400,000 genes.

02:26:55.000 There were 25,000 genes.

02:26:57.000 Everybody laughed, said, You screwed it up.

02:26:59.000 Three more teams finished over the next two years.

02:27:01.000 The first team was wrong.

02:27:03.000 There was not 25,000 genes, there was 19,000 genes.

02:27:06.000 They had miscounted because they had dual counted some of them.

02:27:09.000 We have less than 20,000 human genes that make a human body.

02:27:13.000 The reason why that's so embarrassing is because a flea has 30,000 genes.

02:27:19.000 A fruit fly has 13,000 genes.

02:27:21.000 So you sit somewhere between a flea and a fruit fly genetically.

02:27:24.000 In fact, you're a little closer to the fruit fly than the flea.

02:27:27.000 That's probably why the flea can jump 40 times its height and you can't.

02:27:30.000 But there is something sitting here right in front of us at the genetic level saying to be human is not to be a species.

02:27:39.000 And so what is all of that DNA doing?

02:27:41.000 There's so much DNA in a human.

02:27:43.000 How can we have so few of that, how small of that information actually coding a gene?

02:27:47.000 And it turns out the number is 1.5%.

02:27:49.000 1.5% of the DNA held inside of a human cell is actually coding for a gene.

02:27:54.000 98.5% we ended up calling junk DNA.

02:27:59.000 So it was called junk DNA for 25 years.

02:28:01.000 Until somebody started to realize that we were preserving our junk DNA more carefully and passing that to our young than we were the genes.

02:28:09.000 And so there's something super important being preserved by biology from generation to generation, all this junk DNA.

02:28:15.000 What we now have found out is the mitochondria, again, 200 mitochondria, many different species variants living inside a single human cell because they change their genetic sequencing very rapidly.

02:28:26.000 And so you got maybe a couple hundred different versions of a mitochondria sitting in a single human brain cell.

02:28:34.000 Those, it turns out, are storing their genetic information in the double helix of the human cell.

02:28:40.000 They go and access inside the human nucleus the gene that is theirs for their own reproductive capacity and pull an RNA out of that, come and decode a protein so they can reproduce every three days for your entire life.

02:28:53.000 The mitochondria are storing their genes in the human cells.

02:28:57.000 This doesn't fit any biologic map of Watson and Crick.

02:29:00.000 You're starting to realize there's a collective expression in the antenna of being human.

02:29:06.000 That's what DNA ends up being.

02:29:07.000 It is actually an antenna system that's taking in information and then unwinding and rewinding to reveal different genetic sequences to all of life within a human ecosystem.

02:29:18.000 We are now convinced genetically that it's impossible that a human is a species, else we'd be somewhere between a flea and a fruit fly.

02:29:26.000 The magic of being human is in the 98.5% of our DNA that doesn't code for a human gene, that is likely coding for all of life.

02:29:34.000 That's what it means to be a keystone species genetically.

02:29:37.000 We are the life.

02:29:39.000 We are the life record.

02:29:40.000 It is happening through us, in us, around us.

02:29:42.000 Life is ascending through a biologic matrix that we call a human body, but it is not a species.

02:29:48.000 It's an ecosystem.

02:29:50.000 And 70 years ago, we started the antibiotic era and we started wiping out the diversity inside of a human body.

02:29:57.000 And so the toxicity of herbicides and pesticides have very little to do to their impact on a human cell.

02:30:04.000 It has to do with the impact on the entire ecosystem that's expressing itself through this massive genomic library that is so big we can't even wrap our head around.

02:30:13.000 If we strung you end to end, you've got around 50 to 70 trillion human cells.

02:30:19.000 Each of those cells has about a meter of DNA bundled inside of every nucleus of every cell.

02:30:25.000 If we strung you end to end, we could wrap Joe around the circumference of the planet right at the equator two million times.

02:30:33.000 Your DNA wraps around planet Earth two million times.

02:30:37.000 The amount of genetic information in there is plenty to hold a record and a code for all of life on Earth.

02:30:45.000 It will not surprise me that in the coming years we start to realize the entire code is here.

02:30:51.000 We found out just recently that you could take the human genome and rearrange it into 178 puzzle pieces and spell pig perfectly.

02:30:59.000 The genome is this warehouse of life of earth.

02:31:03.000 It's not belonging to a human species.

02:31:06.000 And I believe that this is where we are going to really spend a lot of our new excitement around what it means to be human as we start to move into our next era.

02:31:14.000 The antibiotic era is coming to an end.

02:31:16.000 It's crippled our biology and our fertility to a point where we cannot continue it.

02:31:20.000 Well, how do we move past it?

02:31:22.000 We become biologic again.

02:31:23.000 We're going to end the chemical antibiotic era and we're moving to the biological renaissance.

02:31:29.000 You talked a couple times about this moment of remembering the renaissance that we can all point to sudden explosion in math, science, art, massive.

02:31:42.000 It doesn't make any sense what was happening 50 years before the renaissance and then the renaissance and what would happen the next 200 years.

02:31:51.000 It was a parametric.

02:31:52.000 explosion of creativity of human capacity, human mind capacity, creativity.

02:31:57.000 What does it coincide with?

02:31:59.000 A remembrance.

02:32:00.000 The antenna opened up.

02:32:03.000 This is the moment we're about to re-enter now as we're going into the next Renaissance.

02:32:08.000 It's happening in people like Dr. Ibrahim Karim.

02:32:10.000 He's suddenly remembering the technology of the hieroglyphs.

02:32:15.000 He's remembering the technology of waveform and its influence on biology.

02:32:20.000 He's not in there inventing this stuff.

02:32:24.000 I've sat with him in cafes and I'll say, well, what about this disease here?

02:32:29.000 And he goes just for a split second into his antenna, draws the shape on the napkin, slides it across the table.

02:32:37.000 He's not producing this stuff, he's remembering this stuff.

02:32:42.000 The antenna is opening up on humankind right now and autism is our supercharged version of that.

02:32:49.000 The autistic neurology is so wide open that we're going to have no choice but to start to remember everything. 0.86

02:32:55.000 A kid flies over New York once, can remember the entire scape. 1.00

02:32:59.000 That's what our antenna is capable of doing.

02:33:01.000 Autistic children are not abnormally genius.

02:33:05.000 They are minds that are unfiltered and bodies that are still in the context of nature.

02:33:10.000 They have not separated.

02:33:12.000 When I sit with an indigenous elder in Africa, the Koi people, the Koi have been around for 300,000 years.

02:33:20.000 They have an unbroken oral history for 100,000 years with the exception of that blank point, 11,000 to 7,000 years ago.

02:33:28.000 They also suffered the amnesia.

02:33:31.000 But 100,000 years of normal tradition is spectacular.

02:33:34.000 It's twice as long as anything else on the planet.

02:33:36.000 Aboriginal 40,000, Native Americans 40,000, Deep Peru 30,000.

02:33:40.000 30,000.

02:33:42.000 100,000 years of uninterrupted information.

02:33:44.000 You sit with one of these elders and they have all of the experiential traits that the autistic community has.

02:33:50.000 They can go to the hill. 0.98

02:33:52.000 They can communicate telepathically with the forest system.

02:33:55.000 They can tell you what the panther is saying.

02:33:56.000 They can tell you what the moon cycle is saying, not because they've studied it, because they're literally just listening to the information.

02:34:01.000 They're receiving the information.

02:34:03.000 This new renaissance that's beginning is a biological reconnection that is going to be available to us.

02:34:09.000 So much information.

02:34:10.000 That we're not going to sit here around listening to podcasts of wondering, scratching our heads about how did the pyramids happen.

02:34:17.000 We're going to start doing it again because there's a cellular understanding of how water and carbon work, how much work you can do instantaneously when you master the ability of the antenna of a human being to organize matter.

02:34:34.000 The pyramids were not built, they were organized, if that makes sense.

02:34:37.000 I believe that when you feel what's happening inside a pyramid, this was a.

02:34:42.000 All an energetic expression.

02:34:44.000 This is a frequency wavelength expression of something that was energetically probably already here.

02:34:50.000 It's an emergent reality that is made by biology when it feels the whole field.

02:34:55.000 Right, but how?

02:34:56.000 How do they put it together?

02:34:58.000 The people that are remembering this, that are starting to feel what is this, they did it through mind.

02:35:05.000 They did it literally through transmitting information into the natural materials.

02:35:10.000 They would cut.

02:35:12.000 With their mind, with frequency as a transmitter to cut the stones, to organize stones, to move anti gravity and everything else.

02:35:21.000 You're bringing this to everybody's attention all the time.

02:35:24.000 These UAPs and everything else that are rushing around here, gravity only exists in one plane of reality here.

02:35:30.000 There's anti gravity experiences that are the process of waves interrupting the relationship between two bodies.

02:35:39.000 That's gravity.

02:35:41.000 Gravity is the distance plus the mass squared plus the distance between the or multiplied by the distance between the two bodies there.

02:35:48.000 So you need two bodies in a relationship to create the phenomenon of gravity.

02:35:53.000 Not surprisingly, you can put a waveform between those two that interrupt that relationship.

02:35:58.000 When you start to think this way, then UAPs and your pyramids all start to make sense.

02:36:05.000 We're so Newtonian in our current belief system.

02:36:10.000 We've forgotten how to believe in quantum physics because we became so committed to the mechanical reality that Newton offered us.

02:36:17.000 Newton said, this happens, therefore this happens.

02:36:20.000 Everything is action and reaction, action and reaction.

02:36:23.000 Maybe, or everything is creation.

02:36:26.000 Is the right relationship between action and reaction actually polarity instead of one thing reacting to the other?

02:36:34.000 What do you think is fueling this current renaissance?

02:36:37.000 I think it's us getting to the breaking point of human neurology.

02:36:41.000 We can no longer sustain the stories.

02:36:45.000 It took so much energy for us to all believe the stories together.

02:36:49.000 Everything you've ever talked about on this podcast is pushing.

02:36:53.000 I don't even know if you know you're doing this.

02:36:56.000 You are pushing the human neurology to its breaking point with every podcast.

02:37:02.000 You're challenging the human mind to stretch past its capacity to keep the old stories alive.

02:37:07.000 You're breaking minds.

02:37:09.000 That's why we love you.

02:37:12.000 I have a great affection for all people who do this, and you're one of these people doing this.

02:37:17.000 You are a breaker of false things.

02:37:20.000 And you have an incredible device that you use all the time, which is curiosity.

02:37:26.000 It just won't let you sit still. 0.97

02:37:29.000 You're too fucking curious. 0.98

02:37:31.000 Curious. 0.93

02:37:33.000 I love this about you because this is why I was excited to come to your podcast, not so I could talk about anything, so I could feel you. 0.98

02:37:41.000 I wanted to feel what this feels like because this has to be one of the most freaking curious motherfuckers on the planet. 0.96

02:37:49.000 What a gift to sit in front of a curious human being. 0.98

02:37:52.000 There's nothing that feels better to a human neurology than sensing the other.

02:37:57.000 The impregnation that Dr. Ibrahim Kareem mentioned there, that field effect of two fields that come into presence together.

02:38:04.000 An imprint, impregnate the other one.

02:38:06.000 It's your curiosity that's got everybody paying attention.

02:38:10.000 We love it because you're not here to tell us you know everything.

02:38:14.000 In fact, you keep challenging us that we don't know anything.

02:38:16.000 You've said it five times on this one.

02:38:18.000 We don't know.

02:38:19.000 That feels so good to a neurology.

02:38:21.000 We don't know.

02:38:22.000 Well, I also think many people are curious and they also want to hear from other people that are curious as well because we live in this weird world where we've been deceived into thinking that people have short attention spans.

02:38:36.000 It's not true.

02:38:38.000 Your attention span can be hijacked by short attention span media, but it doesn't mean you have a short attention span.

02:38:44.000 Most people that I know, if there's a thing that they like, if there's a thing that they're interested in, they have immense attention for it, whether it's a sporting event or a concert they go to.

02:38:54.000 There's a lot of things that you have a lot of attention for.

02:38:58.000 It's just, it has to actually resonate with you.

02:39:01.000 And people love when other people are curious because they're curious.

02:39:04.000 Most people are curious.

02:39:05.000 All humans are curious.

02:39:06.000 Yeah.

02:39:07.000 All humans.

02:39:07.000 Absolutely.

02:39:08.000 If you're not, there's something wrong.

02:39:10.000 You're not human.

02:39:11.000 Well, you just blunted.

02:39:13.000 Life has thrown you some curveballs and you didn't know how to duck.

02:39:17.000 Oh, you can definitely turn curiosity off in a human, no question.

02:39:20.000 You just separate them from nature long enough.

02:39:22.000 And you drug them.

02:39:24.000 That's just a symptom of nature deficit disorder, I think.

02:39:27.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

02:39:28.000 I think that's why one of the best remedies for people that are depressed is physical exercise.

02:39:28.000 Yeah.

02:39:34.000 Get them out in nature.

02:39:35.000 Yeah.

02:39:36.000 Go out in nature.

02:39:37.000 Go hike and camp for seven days.

02:39:38.000 Get something that makes you feel alive, gets your blood pumping, because that's what's supposed to happen.

02:39:42.000 That's how you're supposed to exist.

02:39:44.000 It's been shown three nights of camping outside, never go inside for three days.

02:39:48.000 Your immune system reverts 30 years.

02:39:50.000 Your T cells turn back on.

02:39:51.000 All your stem cells activate.

02:39:54.000 We are living a blunted human experience because we separate ourselves from nature.

02:39:58.000 Did you ever watch the Werner Herzog documentary, Happy People?

02:40:02.000 No.

02:40:02.000 It's really fantastic.

02:40:04.000 It's about these people that live in Siberia and they're so happy.

02:40:07.000 There's like no mental illness.

02:40:09.000 And it's called Happy People Life in the Taiga.

02:40:12.000 So it's all these people that are off the Taiga River and these people live a subsistence lifestyle.

02:40:20.000 They hunt and they fish.

02:40:22.000 And that's all they do.

02:40:24.000 They ride around on snowmobiles.

02:40:25.000 They build cabins.

02:40:26.000 They live with their dogs.

02:40:28.000 Sounds like my life.

02:40:29.000 It's quite fascinating because these people don't have any mental illness.

02:40:29.000 Yeah.

02:40:34.000 They're all happy.

02:40:36.000 They're all laughing.

02:40:36.000 They get together.

02:40:37.000 They drink and they have parties and they eat food together and they're laughing.

02:40:42.000 And then they go about their work.

02:40:43.000 And then they exist completely embedded in nature.

02:40:47.000 They are nature.

02:40:48.000 They're a part of it.

02:40:49.000 And I would offer they're not working at all.

02:40:50.000 They're creating.

02:40:51.000 They're living.

02:40:52.000 They're creating.

02:40:52.000 They're living.

02:40:54.000 Zach, this was awesome.

02:40:55.000 This was really fascinating.

02:40:56.000 We've got to do this again.

02:40:57.000 Can I show you a picture of how we got here?

02:40:59.000 Oh, yeah.

02:41:00.000 Show me a picture of how we got here.

02:41:01.000 All right.

02:41:01.000 Let's just, I want to go to that next slide because it's going to orient us to what's actually happening to humankind right now.

02:41:08.000 Okay.

02:41:09.000 And so we have established clearly that nature is the context of a connected, interconnected life.

02:41:16.000 And so, can you go back one slide?

02:41:18.000 Oh, yeah.

02:41:18.000 That one will work.

02:41:19.000 Sorry.

02:41:19.000 Yeah.

02:41:20.000 Go ahead and do that one.

02:41:23.000 And so this is looking at the effect of glyphosate on ATP, which is energy production per cubic centimeter.

02:41:29.000 And so this is looking at that.

02:41:31.000 And this is vehicle meaning control.

02:41:33.000 And so you're producing about 1600 picomoles per milligram of ATP.

02:41:38.000 These are the mitochondria turning carbon chains of carbohydrates and fatty acids back into light energy.

02:41:44.000 And so you've got this massive energy potential.

02:41:46.000 And then within 30 minutes of introduction to just one part per million of glyphosate, which is a common amount that you would see in a lot of your chemical farmed food systems, we've seen this all the way down to 10 parts per billion, which is a thousand times smaller quantity here.

02:42:03.000 And so at these levels, though, you see a sudden collapse of the ATP production.

02:42:09.000 And so now imagine in 1976, we start eating food with residues of this chemical, and suddenly we shut down light per cubic centimeter for the first time in human history, more effectively than ever, probably.

02:42:21.000 And so I'm going to show you on a population scale of billions of people what happens when you start to undermine the light per cubic centimeter.

02:42:28.000 And so you start at obesity in the 1980s, four years after introduction of this chemical to our food system.

02:42:34.000 From there, you end up seeing the collapse of the metabolism that we call diabetes.

02:42:39.000 Diabetes is a condition that stems from the obesity in the liver.

02:42:44.000 Obesity is not because you're eating too many calories, it's because the calories can no longer be burned at the mitochondrial level, which is where they should be ending up.

02:42:51.000 So, obesity happens when you're eating 2,000, 3,000 calories a day and can only burn 1,500 calories a day because your mitochondria have been poisoned by an antibiotic that's killing the bacteria in the soil, just as they're killing the bacteria inside your cells, which are mitochondria.

02:43:06.000 And so, as we started seeing these increasing levels of glyphosate heading through the system, you end up with diabetes within a few years because fat stored in the liver, which is where everything gets redirected to if it can't burn in the cell, will ultimately give you insulin resistance.

02:43:20.000 As you get insulin resistance, insulin cannot get the carbohydrates into the cell, anyways.

02:43:23.000 And so now you're starving twice.

02:43:25.000 You can't burn it at the mitochondrial level, and you can't get the sugar there.

02:43:29.000 By the 1990s, we started to develop widespread allergies.

02:43:32.000 The most energy demanding system in the body is the immune system.

02:43:35.000 As the immune system started to fail in its metabolic capacity, Relationships started to fail.

02:43:41.000 And we suddenly started to develop a reactive relationship to the foods we were eating.

02:43:46.000 Wheat in 1992 starts causing a massive allergy to gluten.

02:43:51.000 And the gliadin compound in there interacts with glyphosate to synergistically fracture this metabolic capacity.

02:43:58.000 We don't have gluten sensitivity, we have a metabolic collapse that's called glyphosate poisoning.

02:44:04.000 I'll show you the peer reviewed science we published from that.

02:44:07.000 Within a couple years of allergy, which is basically an overwhelm of the immune system to your environment, You ultimately end up with autoimmune disease.

02:44:15.000 This is where your body no longer consents what's outside and what's inside, and your body becomes the enemy.

02:44:20.000 So, autoimmune disease is a steady destruction of your own body by your own immune system that can't tell it's you.

02:44:26.000 You've lost cellular identity.

02:44:28.000 Within a couple years of that, we developed neurologic conditions, such as ADHD and autism in our children, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's in our adults, as well as MS, ALS, and all the other neurologic degenerative conditions in the middle.

02:44:39.000 In a two year period, they all went logarithmic.

02:44:42.000 By the early 2000s, we're starting to realize we're in the middle of a cancer epidemic.

02:44:46.000 This is when I was at the University of Virginia developing chemotherapy.

02:44:49.000 And so, the cancer epidemic launches.

02:44:51.000 Initially, it's really obvious leukemias, lymphomas, all these bone marrow things.

02:44:54.000 And pretty soon, by the late 2000s, it's solid tumors prostate cancer, breast cancer, colon cancer, all of them going logarithmic.

02:45:01.000 And so, just this explosion of cancer.

02:45:03.000 And that's not because there were more carcinogens around, it's because there was less life, there was less light per cubic centimeter.

02:45:10.000 So, every time we go down this ladder, we're seeing less metabolic capacity, less light per cubic centimeter.

02:45:17.000 By the early 2010s, we see this collapse of fertility around the world.

02:45:20.000 Today, 110 countries around the world are below the fertility rate necessary for replacement, 110 countries below.

02:45:30.000 The United States is way below 1.6 instead of 2.1.

02:45:34.000 Infertility goes global.

02:45:36.000 By the early 2010s, endocrine disruption and genomic instability start to occur.

02:45:40.000 These are things like methylation defects, and we can no longer detox the body.

02:45:44.000 We develop stories about Lyme disease and all these conditions of infections when in fact it's just toxicity that can no longer escape the body because we don't have the repair and detox mechanisms there.

02:45:54.000 The metabolism, the life, light energy per cubic centimeters diminishing. 0.94

02:46:00.000 Finally, we see the emergence of gender dysregulation happening in the womb.

02:46:04.000 And so this has probably started in pockets around the world a couple decades ago, but by the 2010s, mid 15s, we see this happening regularly.

02:46:14.000 And what's happening here is the biology is staying at neutral.

02:46:19.000 Every fetus ever developed in the womb of a woman starts at neutral, neither male nor female.

02:46:25.000 It starts at neutral, and then around 90 days of embryologic development, It requires an explosion of energy from the mitochondria within it.

02:46:32.000 It takes that 90 days really not to do anything at the human level, but you're growing the garden.

02:46:36.000 You're growing the microbial garden inside the human to get ready for this massive energy discharge that's going to polarize the biology to become male or female.

02:46:44.000 To move from neutral to male or neutral to female requires this huge energetic thing that we call puberty.

02:46:51.000 The first puberty happens at 90 days in the womb.

02:46:54.000 There's another one that happens late phase in utero.

02:46:57.000 Then there's the more typical one you see around four or five years old where you start to see differentiation of some of the physical features of boys and girls.

02:47:03.000 And then the classic one around 10 to 13 years old, and then another one around 18 to 21, and then a final burst that happens in your late 20s.

02:47:11.000 So we go through all of these huge energetic discharges that create polarity that move you away from neutral to one or the other of the sexes.

02:47:20.000 And this isn't like sex as a preference.

02:47:22.000 This is literal neurologic expression.

02:47:25.000 This is the neurology of the deep brain forming the behavioral traits of a human being to become male traits, female traits.

02:47:34.000 If you've ever had two kids, I don't know if you've got kids, but I've got a daughter and a son.

02:47:38.000 They're both adults now and married and thriving.

02:47:40.000 But when you watch a kid develop, it's unbelievable what's pre programmed in there.

02:47:46.000 The male traits can appear by the time they're six months, nine months old, they're doing something different than their sister did at that same phase.

02:47:53.000 So, what we're talking about is this deep programming of the biology as it goes away from center.

02:48:00.000 By the time we had this much glyphosate in the system, so this whole cascade from 1976 to 2020, You're looking at this yellow line that's traveling up there.

02:48:09.000 That's the amount of glyphosate sprayed into our global environment.

02:48:13.000 Today, we spray 3 billion to 4 billion pounds of glyphosate into our global soils.

02:48:18.000 3 billion pounds of anything is disgusting, but this is an unbelievable amount of antibiotic.

02:48:23.000 That much antibiotic has reduced the metabolic life force of our planet and our species to the point where we have a chronic disease explosion by the 1990s, an infertility collapse of the species, and then gender dysregulation.

02:48:35.000 So, this is how a species goes extinct it loses its metabolic capacity to concentrate light energy.

02:48:42.000 Light per cubic centimeter is how life occurs.

02:48:45.000 Biosis is the interconnected relationships that make life possible.

02:48:48.000 You undermine those relationships, you decrease the number of relationships per cubic centimeter, and you start to see this pattern evolving of a decrease in repair and regeneration.

02:48:58.000 And so your rate of repair versus your rate of injury suddenly goes out of whack.

02:49:03.000 And a previous rate of injury of eating bread, gluten has a slight impact on your gut behavior, slight decrease there.

02:49:12.000 And you lose fidelity, and the whole thing starts to degrade.

02:49:17.000 So, I've spent the last 15 years of my life building systems with people around us that are already tuning into this wider antenna to say, what does biology look like fully supported?

02:49:29.000 So, we've created these online programs called Journey, which is journeying humanity back into natural systems to fully support not only the biology and the way it repairs and regenerates, but to fully open up the antenna to remember what we were supposed to be doing here, to remember what it feels like to be between heaven and earth, to be floating in this cosmic stew of curiosity, creativity. productivity.

02:49:52.000 That's what's going to make humans humans again.

02:49:54.000 It's when we allow our children to become between again and start to stop being programmed into machine-like behavior and start to open up their antenna.

02:50:02.000 We can decide to do that as a society and proactively go about this or autism will emerge to the point where one in three children will have autism by 2035 and we do this anyways.

02:50:12.000 We are going to develop a neurology to escape our mechanical history.

02:50:17.000 Our anti-nature, antibiotic nature is going to come to an end because bodies are always going to win.

02:50:23.000 Nature's always going to reinvent herself.

02:50:25.000 Out of whatever stressor is pushing on her right that moment.

02:50:28.000 Right now, human behavior is pushing on nature.

02:50:32.000 If we stop doing that and we let nature come back in, we get to be part of the solution.

02:50:36.000 We become part of it. 0.98

02:50:37.000 We step right back into the right relationship with the Keystone species. 0.99

02:50:41.000 If people want to see more of this and they want to read more about it, what is your website? 1.00

02:50:46.000 Zach Bush MD is the website, and the book is Biological Elegance, and you're going to only find it there.

02:50:51.000 We're not putting it on Amazon.

02:50:52.000 We're not asking anybody to go after money or abstract systems.

02:50:55.000 We're asking for engagement.

02:50:57.000 I don't want followers.

02:50:58.000 I want builders.

02:50:59.000 I want creators.

02:51:00.000 I want the co creators that are going to come build this new world with us.

02:51:03.000 This is my excitement and passion.

02:51:05.000 I think you're doing a great job pushing us there.

02:51:07.000 Well, thank you.

02:51:08.000 And I know you're going to get a lot of people that check this out now.

02:51:10.000 I'm very excited.

02:51:11.000 This is a fun conversation.

02:51:13.000 Let's definitely do another one.

02:51:14.000 I look forward to it.

02:51:15.000 All right.

02:51:16.000 Thank you very much.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 22, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2529 - Zach Bush

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