The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #2530 - Timothy Alberino

00:00:02.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

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00:00:08.000 Tim is fine.

00:00:09.000 What's up, Tim?

00:00:10.000 What's going on?

00:00:17.000 What's up, Joe?

00:00:17.000 Nice to meet you.

00:00:19.000 Great to be with you.

00:00:20.000 I've seen a lot of your content online, but the one that got me the most was absolutely the giant in Afghanistan, the Kandahar Giant story.

00:00:29.000 And I don't know if you know, but I had Devin Lerat on the podcast, The Arm Wrestler.

00:00:35.000 And he told a story about how when he was in the Canadian military, he was deployed in Afghanistan.

00:00:41.000 And one of the guys that he was working with over there had to have a conversation with a warlord, with a local warlord.

00:00:49.000 And he said this guy was eight feet tall. 0.98

00:00:52.000 He said this guy was fucking huge and not just tall, but wide. 0.98

00:00:56.000 He said it was the biggest man he's ever seen in his life. 0.99

00:00:59.000 Well, I've heard a lot of things about Johnson in Afghanistan.

00:01:04.000 And I find that, you know, I talk about a lot of different topics.

00:01:08.000 I talk about a lot of UFO stuff.

00:01:11.000 And I say some things that I know are, that I know could get me in trouble.

00:01:17.000 But nothing makes me more nervous than talking about giants, specifically the Kandahar giant and the giants in Kandahar in general.

00:01:26.000 Why?

00:01:28.000 You know, mainly because when I talk to people who know things, they're very, very nervous when we get to this topic.

00:01:38.000 And some of them will just flat out not talk about.

00:01:41.000 Giants in general, but specifically giants in Afghanistan.

00:01:45.000 And some of these guys are high level guys that worked at the Pentagon.

00:01:52.000 And they'll talk rather freely with me about UFOs.

00:01:56.000 But as soon as we broach this topic, it's like they literally will warn me be careful with this topic.

00:02:03.000 What?

00:02:04.000 What do you make of that?

00:02:07.000 Well, I think that the topic of giants is intermeshed with the occult.

00:02:14.000 That's my personal opinion.

00:02:16.000 Theory because nothing else makes sense.

00:02:19.000 Who cares if there's eight foot tall guys, right?

00:02:21.000 Big deal.

00:02:22.000 Well, there's eight foot tall humans, right?

00:02:24.000 We were just talking about that young kid that's a basketball player that's seven foot nine, right?

00:02:28.000 There's a few of them now I've seen.

00:02:30.000 Yeah.

00:02:30.000 So there's actual giants that are in public.

00:02:33.000 That like play for the NBA and they're out there.

00:02:33.000 Right.

00:02:37.000 You could meet them.

00:02:39.000 But when I say giants, I'm talking about nine to 12 feet tall.

00:02:44.000 Right.

00:02:44.000 That's eight to 12 feet tall would.

00:02:47.000 Would classify an eight foot tall person as a giant as well, as long as they don't have gigantism.

00:02:53.000 Right.

00:02:53.000 That's a completely different thing.

00:02:54.000 Right.

00:02:55.000 Gigantism is a disability.

00:02:57.000 This Kandahar giant story is very crazy because what's interesting about it is the people that I've talked to that have been in Afghanistan that were deployed in Afghanistan, not just Devin, but other people, they don't dismiss it. 0.99

00:03:10.000 They say, We've heard some weird shit about that place. 0.86

00:03:13.000 And the thing that they always say is, You've got to realize, like, Afghanistan is an old. 0.99

00:03:20.000 It's old and it's very remote.

00:03:23.000 Like most of it is very mountainous.

00:03:26.000 It's controlled by warlords.

00:03:28.000 And, you know, look, there's these.

00:03:31.000 What are those?

00:03:32.000 Are they Greek or Roman?

00:03:33.000 Those structures that are there that date the Greek.

00:03:37.000 They look like Greek temples that date back to Alexander the Great.

00:03:41.000 And archaeologists can't study them.

00:03:43.000 They can't go there because it's too dangerous.

00:03:45.000 It's one of the most remote places on the planet, specifically because it's so dangerous. 1.00

00:03:50.000 You can't just go strolling around Afghanistan. 1.00

00:03:52.000 I mean, it probably would be easier to go to Antarctica than Afghanistan. 1.00

00:03:58.000 And so hilarious. 0.91

00:03:59.000 So, the story of the Kandahar giant.

00:04:02.000 Yeah, let's tell the story.

00:04:03.000 This story has grown into a mythology over the years.

00:04:09.000 Years ago, I was working with a gentleman named Steve Quayle, and we started a production company called Gen 6 Productions.

00:04:16.000 And we were making documentary films mainly about giants, mainly on the topic of giants.

00:04:22.000 Giants as referred to in the Bible, in ancient history, the Smithsonian giants.

00:04:27.000 That's right, biblical and historical accounts of giants.

00:04:30.000 So, I was traveling around the world investigating giants, and Steve is known for his investigations into giants.

00:04:37.000 And he got a phone call from an elderly woman who told him, You need to talk to my son.

00:04:44.000 My son has a story he needs to tell you.

00:04:47.000 And she had to convince her son to talk to Steve, and ultimately he did.

00:04:53.000 And he was active duty.

00:04:54.000 He was a C 130 pilot, active duty.

00:04:57.000 He actually went on coast to coast with Steve.

00:05:00.000 They went on coast to coast together, and he.

00:05:02.000 Related his story, I believe, with George Norrie, him, Steve, and George.

00:05:06.000 And then later on, we flew him into Bozeman, Montana to put him in our documentary film that we were making.

00:05:15.000 And he did not, he wanted to be filmed in silhouette.

00:05:18.000 He did not want his face out there, even though he knew that they're going to be able to mark him just by his voice.

00:05:25.000 So he flies into Bozeman.

00:05:28.000 We meet with him.

00:05:29.000 He shows us his credentials.

00:05:30.000 He was active duty C 130.

00:05:32.000 And then he told us the following story.

00:05:35.000 Among many other things that he told us, he said back in 2005, he was deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq running missions as a C 130 cargo pilot.

00:05:47.000 And oftentimes they would have him fly into Bagram airfield.

00:05:52.000 And these were routine missions.

00:05:54.000 And so on one of these missions, he's flying into Bagram.

00:05:58.000 But this time when he landed, he was met, as soon as he deplaned, he was met on the tarmac by some individuals that he describes as the babysitters.

00:06:07.000 He calls them the babysitters.

00:06:09.000 He thinks they were either Army intelligence or Air Force intelligence guys.

00:06:13.000 They didn't tell him.

00:06:15.000 But this was different because when he disembarked, they told him no photos, no mention of this ever.

00:06:22.000 This never happened.

00:06:23.000 So he knew that whatever was about to happen was top secret.

00:06:27.000 And he had flown classified missions before, usually retrieving Taliban guys, what he described as high valued assets.

00:06:37.000 But this was different because there were intelligence guys on the tarmac.

00:06:42.000 Waiting for something.

00:06:44.000 And it turns out what they were waiting for was the cargo that was being delivered on a forklift to the C 130.

00:06:52.000 And the pilot says that the first thing that struck him as this cargo was moving toward him and his crew was the odor.

00:07:01.000 He said it smelled like musk, BO, and death.

00:07:05.000 And it was extremely pungent.

00:07:08.000 And when the cargo arrived, it was on a.

00:07:12.000 An air cargo pallet, which is seven by nine, and there was a person on the pallet in the fetal position.

00:07:23.000 And this individual was so large that his hands and his feet and part of his head were hanging off the pallet.

00:07:33.000 And he and his loadmaster, and there were some Marines who accompanied the pallet, who accompanied this cargo.

00:07:42.000 They were actually putting their feet up to this guy's feet, this dead giant's feet, and seeing how small their feet were compared to his.

00:07:51.000 Now, the giant had red hair.

00:07:53.000 He had six fingers on each hand, six toes on each foot.

00:07:57.000 His feet were wrapped in like a crude canvas foot wrapping.

00:08:02.000 And he was solid as a rock.

00:08:05.000 Again, most of his body was covered by a tarp, but the pilot and the guys around him were hitting him with their fists.

00:08:12.000 And he came up to about their midsection, laying in the fetal position.

00:08:16.000 And the pilot told me he was solid as a rock, this guy.

00:08:20.000 And he asked the Marines, What happened?

00:08:26.000 Where did this guy come from?

00:08:28.000 And they told him that they had heard that there was a team that was out in Afghanistan that was looking for Taliban or something.

00:08:38.000 And they came upon a cave because there was a nearby village and the villagers were bringing food and other artifacts to the mouth of this cave.

00:08:46.000 And so they thought that they're aiding and abetting the Taliban.

00:08:50.000 So they went into the cave and rather than encountering the Taliban, what they found was this enormous humanoid who.

00:08:58.000 Killed them all. 0.53

00:09:00.000 And then, according to these soldiers, they deployed another team to go look for that team.

00:09:05.000 And when they found the cave, they found the traces of that other team.

00:09:10.000 They were ready, they were prepared, and they were able to kill the giant.

00:09:14.000 In fact, the soldiers told the pilot that the giant was eating on members of the team who he had killed previously.

00:09:22.000 But these new guys, they took him down, and then they had a transport helicopter come in and airlift him to Bagram.

00:09:29.000 Did you ever try to find records of who was there and casualties that were reported, deaths that were reported?

00:09:40.000 It's very difficult.

00:09:41.000 The Pentagon actually released a statement some years ago, which is bizarre to me.

00:09:46.000 Basically, saying in paraphrasing, the Kandahar giant incident never happened.

00:09:51.000 There was never a giant that was killed in Afghanistan.

00:09:54.000 The Pentagon?

00:09:55.000 Yes, it was like a spokesman from the Pentagon or something, or a release from the Pentagon.

00:10:00.000 Is this available online?

00:10:01.000 Yeah, they actually felt the need to debunk this.

00:10:04.000 That's hilarious.

00:10:05.000 Now, that gets me sketchy.

00:10:07.000 Well, I believed the pilot because he was a very credible guy.

00:10:12.000 He didn't want his name out there, he didn't want fame or notoriety.

00:10:16.000 He was very nervous.

00:10:18.000 He thought there's a good chance that they're going to recognize me by my voice.

00:10:21.000 He was on Coast to Coast AM, and then he's on in our documentary.

00:10:25.000 There's a good chance I'm going to get recognized and there's going to be some reprisal.

00:10:28.000 He was nervous.

00:10:30.000 Now, they weighed the giant.

00:10:31.000 Before they loaded him on the C 130, because they have to load everything that goes onto the C 130, the loadmaster weighed him.

00:10:37.000 He weighed 1,100 pounds.

00:10:40.000 And they estimated his height at 10 to 12 feet tall.

00:10:45.000 And so they loaded him onto the C 130, and then they flew him to Qatar.

00:10:52.000 And then they unloaded the cargo in Qatar.

00:10:56.000 And our pilot told me he heard through the grapevine that the body ended up at Wright Patterson.

00:11:04.000 He said, I don't know.

00:11:05.000 That's just what I heard.

00:11:07.000 So, this is a first hand account from the C 130 pilot who flew the body himself from Bagram Airfield to Qatar. 0.98

00:11:16.000 Why does all the weird shit go to Wright Patterson? 0.99

00:11:19.000 That's a good question. 1.00

00:11:20.000 Because that's where the weird shit goes. 0.99

00:11:22.000 Wright Patterson used to have the Blue Room. 0.99

00:11:24.000 I don't know if they still have it, but they used to have a room there called the Blue Room where they had all of the alien artifacts that had been recovered and that they were studying.

00:11:34.000 And, um, It was completely off limits to anybody except for people who had access, the very few who had access.

00:11:43.000 But the Kandahar Giant, you know, that story, a colleague of mine, Ellie Marsuli, he had another guy come to him, a different guy.

00:11:50.000 We interviewed the pilot, Steve and I. LA had another guy come to him that was, I can't remember the details.

00:11:57.000 He was a special forces guy.

00:11:58.000 He had firsthand knowledge of the event as well.

00:12:00.000 And we're not sure if it's the same one or a different one, if there was just one incident with the Giants or if there were multiple incidents.

00:12:09.000 Now, years later, this would be just a couple of years ago because we published that film, I think, back in 2016.

00:12:16.000 But just a couple of years ago, and I do have to be very careful here, I ran into a A gentleman who was very high up, let's say, in the operations happening out there during the Iraq War and in Afghanistan.

00:12:34.000 And this individual had flown a lot of missions.

00:12:45.000 And he was a commander.

00:12:48.000 And I asked him, we were having a casual conversation, and he starts to walk away, and I said, hey, You were in flying missions in Afghanistan.

00:12:55.000 I said, Have you ever heard about the Kandahar giant?

00:13:00.000 And his wife was standing next to me, and he's sort of walking away.

00:13:02.000 He turns around.

00:13:04.000 The blood rushes out of his face, and he literally goes like this to me, points to his phone, and his wife whispers, He can't talk about that.

00:13:14.000 So later on, I was able to, we agreed to meet later on and in a very controlled environment.

00:13:24.000 And he related a story to me that's the most wild story I've ever heard in my life.

00:13:28.000 And I'm sorry, I can't relate it.

00:13:31.000 I want to protect him.

00:13:31.000 I love this guy.

00:13:33.000 But it's not the giant of Kandahar, it's the giants of Kandahar.

00:13:40.000 There's more than one.

00:13:42.000 The military has known about it.

00:13:44.000 And aside from him, I talked to other soldiers who've also had knowledge of the specific incident that I cited earlier, but then also in general, the giants.

00:13:58.000 In Afghanistan.

00:14:00.000 And I have a friend of mine who I met some years ago.

00:14:06.000 Actually, I was with Lou Elizondo at Lou's Bar in Wyoming.

00:14:10.000 And there is a friend of Lou's who's now a friend of mine there.

00:14:16.000 And we were talking about the Kandahar Giant.

00:14:18.000 I was just telling him the story I told you.

00:14:20.000 And he just couldn't believe it.

00:14:21.000 He thought, this is nuts.

00:14:23.000 This is crazy.

00:14:24.000 And I said, okay, do something for me.

00:14:27.000 Next time you're talking to somebody in government, Or in the military, who you think maybe might know something about this, bring it up, see what happens.

00:14:35.000 So he called me one day and he said, Tim, you're not going to believe it.

00:14:38.000 He said, I was talking to, I have to be very careful here too.

00:14:42.000 He said, I was talking to a certain individual who works for a senator.

00:14:47.000 He's a staffer.

00:14:49.000 I believe he's one of the chief of staff for the senator, or at the very least an advisor.

00:14:54.000 And he's got a military background, special forces.

00:14:58.000 And he said, I was sitting there, we're really good friends.

00:15:00.000 He said, we're having a casual conversation.

00:15:02.000 As we always do.

00:15:05.000 And just in the midst of this conversation, I said, Hey, what do you know about the Kandahar giant?

00:15:12.000 And he said, His face completely contorted.

00:15:18.000 And they were no longer just being happy and laughing.

00:15:21.000 He became very stern.

00:15:24.000 And he said, What have you gotten yourself into?

00:15:29.000 What are you looking into?

00:15:31.000 He said, You need to be really careful.

00:15:33.000 And you wouldn't tell them anything else.

00:15:37.000 That's the kind of reaction that I get and others get whenever we try and get information on this story.

00:15:42.000 It's a very fun story.

00:15:43.000 Story.

00:15:44.000 I don't know why it's so fun, but it's very fun.

00:15:46.000 But the question is, what would be the reason why they would want to keep something like this a secret?

00:15:55.000 I don't totally understand it.

00:15:56.000 I don't either.

00:15:57.000 I mean, if there really were a race of giants that survived, let's assume that what we're talking about is what's referenced in the Bible, right?

00:16:06.000 Let's assume, or at least the book of Enoch, the Nephilim, right? 0.86

00:16:11.000 If we're talking about giants, like The thing about giants is like Native Americans have stories about redheaded giants. 0.74

00:16:20.000 They talk about the same thing about them having six fingers and six toes. 0.57

00:16:24.000 They have these same myths.

00:16:26.000 Like, how is it that people from the Middle East and people from North America have this same ancient story?

00:16:34.000 And what is it in reference to?

00:16:37.000 Like, why does that?

00:16:40.000 It's ubiquitous.

00:16:41.000 I mean, the legends of giants.

00:16:44.000 Are universal all over the world.

00:16:45.000 Why hide that?

00:16:46.000 That's what I don't understand.

00:16:47.000 The stories about the Smithsonian are always fascinating.

00:16:49.000 Yeah.

00:16:50.000 Because the stories are there have been archaeological digs and they have discovered enormous femurs that they thought were like woolly mammoths or something.

00:16:58.000 And then they realize, well, this is a giant human.

00:17:01.000 And they find hair and the hair is red.

00:17:06.000 And that they take these bones and they tuck them away somewhere.

00:17:10.000 I mean, this is always the myth.

00:17:11.000 They tuck them away in the basement of the Smithsonian or somewhere else.

00:17:16.000 For whatever reason, the general public is not allowed to know about this.

00:17:21.000 And I don't totally understand.

00:17:23.000 What is it about giants that they would try to keep from us?

00:17:26.000 Like, if they find a new species of dinosaur that's extinct, they'll let you know.

00:17:30.000 Fascinating.

00:17:31.000 Amazing. 1.00

00:17:32.000 They find Homo floriesciensis, or however you say it, the little hobbit people. 1.00

00:17:37.000 They'll let you know. 1.00

00:17:38.000 Look, we found little hobbit people. 0.71

00:17:39.000 Pretty cool. 1.00

00:17:41.000 Giants, for whatever reason.

00:17:44.000 You know, it's a conundrum.

00:17:47.000 If it's real.

00:17:49.000 You think it's real?

00:17:50.000 Giants in general?

00:17:51.000 Yeah.

00:17:52.000 Oh, yeah, 100%.

00:17:53.000 What makes you think it's real?

00:17:54.000 Okay, so let me tell you why I think that this thing's being covered up, and then I'll tell you why I think it's real.

00:18:04.000 And we'll go to Sardinia for that.

00:18:07.000 So I, like you, have been wondering for a long time what is the big deal?

00:18:12.000 And initially, people in my field, especially people who are coming from a biblical perspective, the common answer is well, the existence of giants would affirm the biblical narrative.

00:18:22.000 And so these secular atheist types don't want the biblical narrative affirmed.

00:18:28.000 That can't be right because the existence of giants doesn't just affirm the biblical narrative, it affirms the myths and legends of every ancient culture across the globe, including the Bible.

00:18:40.000 So it's not something that's specific, exclusive to the text of Scripture.

00:18:45.000 So it would just affirm all these legends in general.

00:18:49.000 So the only thing that makes sense to me at this point, The other line of thinking, by the way, would be that it would somehow conflict with the theory of evolution by natural selection, which I don't really buy into that either because they would just say that this branch of humanoids, they descended from Gigantopithecus or something like that.

00:19:07.000 I don't think it would be that difficult of a problem for the theory of evolution by natural selection either.

00:19:15.000 I'm not myself an evolutionist, but I don't see them having that difficult of a problem here.

00:19:20.000 So the only thing left on the table for me is that there's something very sinister going on.

00:19:25.000 In regard to the remains of giants.

00:19:28.000 And if you study the mythology of giants all over the world, especially in the ancient Near East, you will discover that there was, in fact, a cult of giants, that there were cultures that venerated giants, and that there was a very particular belief about giants.

00:19:48.000 And this goes back to the book of Enoch.

00:19:51.000 And the idea is that this race of beings who are not entirely human, they're hybrids, that when they die, you can still make.

00:19:59.000 Contact with their spirits, with their souls. 0.90

00:20:02.000 They can be summoned.

00:20:04.000 In fact, these are the demons that, in the New Testament of the Bible, these are the demons that possess people.

00:20:10.000 This is the origin of demons, by the way, in Hebrew cosmology.

00:20:15.000 So there's this pervasive idea, again, especially in the ancient Near East, that dead giants can be communicated with and can possess living human beings, their spirits.

00:20:28.000 And so you have a cult of giants in the ancient Near East, especially among the Canaanites.

00:20:32.000 And the Canaanites, they had actually, there's various customs and rites related to giants, but one of the specific ones that we know about is called Kispam, the Rite of Kispam.

00:20:50.000 And there's a fantastic book written by my friends, Derek and Sharon Gilbert, called Veneration, where they detail the Rite of Kispam and this idea of making contact with the spirits of dead giants and the veneration of giants.

00:21:04.000 And the rite of Kispim was, it was practiced broadly speaking in the ancient Near East, but specifically among the Amorites and other Canaanite clans as well.

00:21:15.000 And what they would do is they would hold a feast and then they would invite the dead to come and join them at the feast. 0.88

00:21:23.000 So this was a necromantic rite.

00:21:27.000 And they would evoke the dead and they believed that the dead would come and eat with them.

00:21:32.000 Now, the kings, and specifically the Amorite kings, They would invoke the spirits of the mighty ones, the great ones, the giants of old, the Rephaim.

00:21:42.000 The biblical account names various different clans of giants that inhabited the Levant during and after the conquest by Joshua and the Hebrews.

00:21:52.000 And you had the Anakim, who descended from the Nephilim, you had the Rephaim, the Zamzumim, the Amim.

00:22:01.000 These are various clans of giants that are specifically named in the Bible.

00:22:06.000 Of course, we get Goliath of Gath. 0.64

00:22:08.000 Gath is a Philistine city. 0.99

00:22:10.000 After Joshua entered the Promised Land, they drove out and eradicated a lot of these giant clans. 1.00

00:22:17.000 But some of them remained.

00:22:18.000 Some of the individuals remained, and they primarily went to the Philistine cities of Gaza, Gath, and Ashtad.

00:22:26.000 And so you have Goliath of Gath, who David encounters later in the biblical text.

00:22:30.000 So it's these heroes of old, these descendants of the Nephilim, that the Amorites in the ancient.

00:22:38.000 Near Easterners are attempting to make contact with because they have knowledge and these are possessing spirits.

00:22:45.000 And so, the rite of Kisboom, the kings would summon the Rephaim by name. 0.91

00:22:50.000 And you can find this in the Ugaritic texts.

00:22:54.000 Ugarit was an Amorite city state located on the shore of the Mediterranean in what is today northern Syria.

00:23:04.000 And they have uncovered documents where the Amorite kings are summoning, specifically by name, dead giants.

00:23:13.000 The Refhaim.

00:23:14.000 And the idea is to summon them and then to become empowered by their spirits.

00:23:19.000 They're possessing spirits.

00:23:20.000 Again, this goes back to the tradition of Enoch that the giants, when they die, their spirits are in sort of a state of suspended animation and they can be revived.

00:23:31.000 They can be resurrected, as it were, and can be made to inhabit the bodies of human beings.

00:23:37.000 So there's this ancient cult that existed in the ancient Near East and in other parts of the world.

00:23:43.000 And it's associated with the cult of Baal.

00:23:47.000 So you have.

00:23:50.000 Baal, the giants were thought of as the warriors of Baal.

00:23:54.000 So today we know that the cult of Baal persists. 0.85

00:23:58.000 I mean, the Epstein files. 0.90

00:24:00.000 We know that the cult of Baal is still being practiced. 0.95

00:24:02.000 When you say the Epstein files, what do you mean?

00:24:05.000 There's references to Baal.

00:24:07.000 And there's this recurrent theme of Baal worship.

00:24:12.000 And Baal, Jesus refers to Baal as Satan in the New Testament.

00:24:18.000 So it's basically Satanism, it's a satanic cult.

00:24:22.000 How is it referenced in the Epstein files?

00:24:25.000 There's some references to Baal.

00:24:26.000 I can't remember the exact references, but there's apparently a cult of Baal.

00:24:32.000 And the elites are obsessed with some of the elites.

00:24:35.000 I don't know who or how many of them, but it's becoming increasingly apparent that there's an infatuation with these ancient Near Eastern cults, specifically the Canaanitish cults.

00:24:49.000 And so the reason why I'm going through all of this is because I think it's still alive and well today in society.

00:24:55.000 And I believe that they're using the bones, the remains of giants in these practices.

00:25:00.000 I think it's extremely dark.

00:25:02.000 I think this is part of the reason why, part of the reason why there may be a cover up around it.

00:25:10.000 Nothing else makes sense to me.

00:25:11.000 Nothing else makes sense to me.

00:25:13.000 In terms of the cover up?

00:25:14.000 In terms of the cover up. 0.99

00:25:15.000 In terms of the cover up, it makes sense to me that you have incredibly powerful, wealthy people that don't want to be exposed as being perverts and whatever the fuck they were up to. 0.99

00:25:26.000 And there's all the weird shit with beef jerky and. 0.97

00:25:30.000 Pizza, you know, there's these very strange references that seem to not be talking about beef jerky and not. 0.96

00:25:37.000 It's some kind of a code.

00:25:38.000 Yeah.

00:25:38.000 And there's also the fact that he brought an enormous amount of sulfuric acid, like right after he was indicted to the island.

00:25:48.000 Like, I forget how many gallons of it, but barrels of sulfuric acid, which is what you would use to dissolve bodies.

00:25:55.000 So it's like, it seems like there's a lot of reasons for a cover up.

00:25:59.000 If this guy was running some sort of blackmail operation and had.

00:26:04.000 Information on powerful people, that would make sense that that's why they would cover it up.

00:26:11.000 Well, that's the cover up of the pedophilia.

00:26:14.000 Or just, even if it's not pedophilia, even just adultery or drug use or whatever.

00:26:23.000 The ball thing apparently comes up on a bank file and it may have been misinterpreted.

00:26:30.000 It does say B A A L dot name.

00:26:34.000 People who are digging into this say that it might have just been a misinterpretation.

00:26:37.000 That's the only mention of it.

00:26:39.000 Misinterpretation?

00:26:42.000 Yeah, I mean, it's another page here shows it.

00:26:45.000 Here's like the document.

00:26:46.000 It might have just, I don't know, it doesn't even say it there that I can see it.

00:26:51.000 Yeah, I'm not sure exactly.

00:26:52.000 Here's where it says it, you know.

00:26:53.000 Exactly where Baal is referenced specifically.

00:26:56.000 Yeah, right there. 0.53

00:26:57.000 There for one place for sure.

00:26:58.000 Bank document.

00:26:59.000 I don't know if that has anything to do with the occult specifically.

00:27:02.000 But just imagine if it's the name of Satan and this is the name of your bank account.

00:27:07.000 Yeah.

00:27:08.000 Yeah.

00:27:09.000 Yeah, that's quite odd.

00:27:11.000 Yeah.

00:27:11.000 Well, that's at least creepy.

00:27:14.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:27:16.000 So you have this scenario in which let's just say for the sake of argument that it's true.

00:27:21.000 Okay.

00:27:21.000 That the legends are true.

00:27:22.000 The giants are real.

00:27:26.000 That you can make contact with their spirits Through their bones?

00:27:29.000 Maybe through their remains.

00:27:30.000 Or at least people believe this.

00:27:34.000 Is there some sort of a method that they use?

00:27:38.000 Well, okay.

00:27:38.000 So this will get us into Sardinia.

00:27:38.000 Yeah.

00:27:40.000 So whenever anyone asks me what's the best evidence you've ever seen for the existence of giants, now you've already cited.

00:27:48.000 Some historical context around this.

00:27:52.000 The legend of giants is everywhere.

00:27:54.000 It's in every continent.

00:27:55.000 And you have giants, aside from the biblical account, obviously all over Mesopotamia, the cult of giants.

00:28:02.000 In the United States, during the era of the Smithsonian Gate, the Smithsonian Institution's apparent cover up of giants, especially the ones that were being discovered in the mounds here in the United States.

00:28:14.000 But it's pervasive.

00:28:15.000 In Peru, there are legends of giants.

00:28:18.000 And the natives.

00:28:20.000 The indigenous peoples absolutely believe there was a primordial race of giants.

00:28:26.000 The same thing in Central America.

00:28:27.000 They believe there was a primordial race of giants that was destroyed in a cataclysm, specifically a flood. 0.97

00:28:31.000 That's what the Inca believed that the guy Biracocha created first a race of giants, but they were stupid and evil, and so he destroyed them in a flood. 0.86

00:28:41.000 Same story down up in Mexico and among the Aztecs. 0.99

00:28:45.000 And the Native Americans, the six fingered red haired giants, and so forth. 1.00

00:28:51.000 So there's a lot of.

00:28:52.000 Historical context, and I would, and of course, it's anecdotal, but it's, but how much anecdotal evidence just at one point does anecdotal evidence just become evidence when there's when it's so pervasive all over the world, right?

00:29:06.000 So, as I was traveling around the world studying giants and researching this topic and investigating different stories and legends, I went to Malta, which is very interesting.

00:29:19.000 Obviously, lots of legends of giants in Malta associated with the megaliths, and then and then I kind of hit ground zero for giants, which is the island of Sardinia.

00:29:28.000 And the island of Sardinia is located west of Rome.

00:29:32.000 It's part of Italy.

00:29:33.000 It's in the western Mediterranean, below Corsica.

00:29:36.000 And many people don't realize this about Sardinia, but Sardinia has the highest, has the most megaliths anywhere on earth.

00:29:50.000 It has the highest concentration of megaliths anywhere that I've been, as far as I'm aware of.

00:29:57.000 There are these massive megalithic towers called nuraghi. 0.86

00:30:01.000 That were constructed allegedly by the, or conventionally by the Nuragic civilization, Bronze Age civilization.

00:30:14.000 And there are today still at least 7,000 of these things standing.

00:30:20.000 You can go to Sardinia and see 7,000 Nuragi towers.

00:30:22.000 There are at one time 10,000 to 30,000 of these megalithic towers.

00:30:29.000 And some of these towers stood over 100 feet tall.

00:30:34.000 Shammy, can we see some pictures of these?

00:30:36.000 Yeah, how would he look? 0.95

00:30:39.000 Nuragi.

00:30:40.000 Sardinia Nuragi.

00:30:40.000 Nuragland's built.

00:30:42.000 I've got three different things.

00:30:43.000 They're there, so I guess this is it.

00:30:45.000 Yeah, that's what it is.

00:30:48.000 So, what is the timeline of this neurotic civilization?

00:30:52.000 How do you say it? 0.83

00:30:53.000 Neurotic? 0.97

00:30:54.000 The neurotic civilization. 1.00

00:30:55.000 It's the Bronze Age. 1.00

00:30:56.000 Yeah, the Bronze Age.

00:30:57.000 So, what is that?

00:30:58.000 3300 BC to about 1200 BC.

00:31:01.000 And that's what this stuff is from.

00:31:04.000 And they say that these were built in the Bronze Age.

00:31:07.000 That's the conventional idea.

00:31:09.000 The conventional idea.

00:31:11.000 And again, there are 7,000 of them on the island today, but there are up to, I've seen estimates up to 30,000, including at the museum in Sardinia.

00:31:23.000 And aside from these towers, they also have, these are, by the way, these are megalithic.

00:31:29.000 So these are megalithic towers that are constructed in the Cyclopean style.

00:31:35.000 And Cyclopean masonry, Cyclopean architecture is the trademark of megaliths worldwide.

00:31:41.000 And Cyclopean.

00:31:43.000 This is the archaeological term for the technique.

00:31:48.000 Cyclopean referencing the great Cyclopes of Greek mythology, who are believed to be the inventors of tower building and the builders, the offspring of the gods, who are the great builders and masons.

00:32:02.000 That's the mythology.

00:32:03.000 But the trademark of Cyclopean architecture is that these are large stones that are fitted together without the use of any binding agent, like mortar, without any kind of mortar.

00:32:14.000 And you have exquisite examples of Cyclopean masonry in different parts of the earth, like in Peru, the walls of Saxayhuaman are absolutely amazing, breathtakingly beautiful in regard to their design and the polygonal, tightly fitting blocks, immense blocks of stone.

00:32:34.000 Whereas in Sardinia, these are crude blocks, the crudely worked blocks of basalt and granite and limestone.

00:32:45.000 That are fitted together but without the use of mortar.

00:32:47.000 So they are built in the Cyclopean style.

00:32:49.000 And again, some of them were 100 feet tall.

00:32:52.000 And they had some of them were for defensive purposes.

00:32:56.000 And some of them had a wooden platform that crowned the top.

00:33:00.000 And that platform was buttressed by other very large stones that were finely cut, sometimes basalt.

00:33:06.000 I've seen some of these stones in Sardinia.

00:33:08.000 I've been to the island a few times researching the towers and giants.

00:33:13.000 And aside from the towers, these megalithic towers, you also have megalithic tombs.

00:33:20.000 Which are called to this day the tombs of the giants.

00:33:25.000 And you can go and visit them.

00:33:26.000 There are 800 of them extant today, and archaeologists believe there were many more in the past.

00:33:33.000 No one knows exactly how many, but oftentimes it seems to me that the towers and the tombs are closely associated.

00:33:39.000 They fulfill a function, I think, that is interlated.

00:33:47.000 And the megalithic tombs of the giants, according to legend in Sardinia, They were associated with the bodies of giants.

00:33:57.000 But of course, today you have armchair archaeologists who will say that's just a myth.

00:34:01.000 You couldn't even fit bodies inside of these tombs.

00:34:04.000 Yes, you could.

00:34:05.000 I mean, none of these guys have ever bothered to go to Sardinia with a tape measure.

00:34:09.000 I did.

00:34:10.000 And yes, you can.

00:34:12.000 You can fit the bodies of eight, nine, ten foot tall guys in these tombs without a problem.

00:34:18.000 And there's two different styles of megalithic tombs in Sardinia.

00:34:21.000 You have the stele style, which There's a large steely stone, a monolithic stone in the front with a little doorway in it.

00:34:32.000 And a doorway is almost like a little doggy door at the bottom.

00:34:36.000 But it's big enough, I mean, a young person could crawl through it.

00:34:41.000 And then you have the trilithon doorway, this style of megalithic tomb, which is a larger doorway.

00:34:46.000 You still have to, like a guy my size, would still have to bend down to get inside.

00:34:49.000 But the tombs are configured the same, they're shaped the same, these two different styles.

00:34:55.000 And What a lot of people misunderstand about the tombs is the tombs were not built to house the bodies of giants.

00:35:05.000 They were built on top of the interred giant.

00:35:10.000 So the giant was inhumed beneath the tomb.

00:35:12.000 It was buried beneath the tomb, and then the edifice was built on top.

00:35:16.000 So that opening Where are you getting this information?

00:35:19.000 This is known in Sardinia.

00:35:21.000 I spent a lot of time researching the tombs of the giants in Sardinia and talking to various experts.

00:35:28.000 And who are these experts, like local historians?

00:35:31.000 Some of them, yeah.

00:35:35.000 You can also go to the museums in Sardinia and read a lot of this stuff.

00:35:39.000 Now, I have a friend named Paula Loy, who's a.

00:35:46.000 She's a.

00:35:47.000 I think she's the best tour guide in Sardinia.

00:35:49.000 And she's extremely knowledgeable about all this stuff.

00:35:51.000 She'd take you to the museum and you walk through all of this information with her.

00:35:54.000 And they have little models in the museum of the tombs of the giants.

00:36:00.000 And there's a legend in Sardinia that it's called the Rite of Incubation.

00:36:09.000 And. 0.89

00:36:09.000 This is a necromantic rite that was practiced by the Sardinians. 0.89

00:36:13.000 And it describes the purpose of the tombs.

00:36:15.000 So the tombs, when you walk into the tombs, again, they're megalithic.

00:36:18.000 The walls are megalithic.

00:36:20.000 Some pretty large stones incorporated in these tombs.

00:36:23.000 When you walk into the tombs, there's a gallery inside.

00:36:26.000 And the gallery is rather large.

00:36:29.000 You could fit a body of a giant in there, but that's beside the point because that's not the purpose of the tomb.

00:36:34.000 The purpose of the tomb, of the gallery inside the tomb, is to.

00:36:43.000 It's to accommodate a young person during a rite of passage.

00:36:49.000 And during the Bronze Age, you're talking about boys from 12 to 14 years old, right?

00:36:54.000 Generally speaking.

00:36:56.000 And they would go into the tomb alone and they would be sealed in the tomb.

00:37:01.000 So that little doggy door that's in the stele, the stele version of the tombs of the giants, they would crawl in there and then they would be sealed inside.

00:37:10.000 And there's a little, on most of those stele, Tombs, there's a little hole at the top as well.

00:37:16.000 So it's not like they're sealed in there and they can't breathe or anything.

00:37:20.000 No, they would go in there and they would spend some days in the tomb alone.

00:37:25.000 This is what it looks like.

00:37:26.000 That's one of the doors with the stele monolithic stone.

00:37:31.000 And they're all shaped the same.

00:37:32.000 It's hard to tell because they've been disassembled.

00:37:34.000 Many of them have been disassembled.

00:37:37.000 But you can see there the trilithon.

00:37:39.000 That's a trilithon tomb.

00:37:42.000 That's something else.

00:37:43.000 That's a well.

00:37:45.000 But the tombs are all shaped.

00:37:46.000 You can see down there.

00:37:47.000 See the picture right below.

00:37:49.000 That one.

00:37:49.000 There you go.

00:37:50.000 See how the tombs are shaped?

00:37:51.000 Yeah.

00:37:53.000 Now, that's how all these tombs are shaped that way.

00:37:56.000 This has to do with the right of incubation.

00:37:57.000 So the young person would go inside the gallery, they'd be sealed inside that young boy, and the purpose of this was to incubate inside of the gallery in order to be empowered and energized by the spirit of the mighty one buried beneath the tomb.

00:38:13.000 And again, according to legend, the mighty ones were giants.

00:38:16.000 So I don't think it's coincidental that the tombs are actually shaped like a womb.

00:38:21.000 If you look at the view of the tomb from above, originally when I was researching this in Sardinia, I thought it was shaped like a bull's head, which would be something like the iconographic of Molech or something like that, Canaanitish.

00:38:39.000 But I realized that actually this is shaped like a womb.

00:38:43.000 The tomb looks like a womb.

00:38:45.000 If you pull up a womb, you'll see what I mean.

00:38:47.000 It looks like a womb, shaped like a womb.

00:38:50.000 And this was to accommodate the rite of incubation.

00:38:53.000 And so these young people, the idea is they're in there, they are communing, incubating in the presence of the dead hero buried beneath.

00:39:03.000 And they're absorbing their spirit, their prowess.

00:39:08.000 And then the tomb is unsealed, and the young person emerges from the womb, as it were.

00:39:15.000 It's like a new birth.

00:39:16.000 They went in a boy, they're now coming out a man, empowered by the spirit of their ancestral heroes.

00:39:24.000 These are called to this day the tombs of the giants.

00:39:26.000 Now, you can say, well, that's just mythology, that's just Sardinian legend.

00:39:33.000 The problem is, you can interview people, or at least you could in times past, interview Sardinians all across the island who have themselves dug up the bones of giants or encountered the bones of giants in some kind of a context, usually around the towers.

00:39:55.000 The Nuragi Towers.

00:39:56.000 I interviewed dozens of people in Sardinia, most of them elderly, who had themselves encountered the bones of giants in different contexts while plowing in fields.

00:40:07.000 They'd pull up bones, or they would find the bones in the tombs or whatever.

00:40:13.000 And it's very easy to dismiss the whole thing as well, they're just digging up megafauna, right?

00:40:19.000 The bones of mastodons and giant sloths.

00:40:20.000 The problem is, some of these bones had jewelry.

00:40:25.000 Some of them had Roman coins associated with them.

00:40:27.000 Some of them had rings on the fingers and necklaces around the neck, the collar.

00:40:35.000 And they would actually, and most of these were old timers because this doesn't, it's not really happening anymore in Sardinia.

00:40:44.000 This is something that was happening in the 60s, 50s, 40s, 30s, and back.

00:40:48.000 But especially between, like, post World War II, when the island was undergoing a process of industrialization.

00:40:55.000 And they were building new roads and digging for foundations and stuff.

00:41:00.000 They were digging up the bones of giants.

00:41:03.000 And there's a particular church called Santa Anastasia in Sardinia, and it's in the region of Sadara.

00:41:12.000 And I interviewed two gentlemen in Sardinia, two guys, who were officially employed by the municipality and by the University of Cagliari.

00:41:21.000 Cagliari is the capital city of Sardinia.

00:41:24.000 They were specifically employed to excavate the ruins, the neurotic ruins.

00:41:29.000 On the premises of the Church of Santa Anastasia.

00:41:32.000 Santa Anastasia is a small little Catholic church. 0.97

00:41:35.000 But if you go there, you'll see that even today you can see the remains of a Nuragic settlement there.

00:41:42.000 There are Nuragi towers there.

00:41:44.000 It's just an archaeological site.

00:41:47.000 And these two individuals, one of them, his name was Giuseppe, the other's name was Roberto.

00:41:52.000 And Giuseppe worked there from, I believe it was 1979 to 1981.

00:42:01.000 And then Roberto worked there from 1982 to 1984.

00:42:06.000 Both of these guys employed officially, in an official capacity, from the municipality of Sadara to do this excavation.

00:42:14.000 And so they would be there.

00:42:15.000 The protocol was you go and you excavate the ruins, and all the artifacts you find get put into the church.

00:42:23.000 So all the artifacts went into the church of Santa Anastasia.

00:42:25.000 And you can see this church, by the way, if you pull it up, it's called Santa Anastasia in Sardinia.

00:42:30.000 And all the bones were put into the church, all the artifacts were put into the church.

00:42:35.000 And among the artifacts that were being collected were the skeletons of giants and not mastodons, not giant slugs.

00:42:44.000 Do you have photographs of these things?

00:42:45.000 These guys, they, well, of course not, but these guys were very reluctant to talk to us.

00:42:51.000 The one guy, Roberto, was very nervous.

00:42:54.000 He said, We were told never to talk about this.

00:42:57.000 This never happened.

00:42:58.000 Again, this was back in the 80s.

00:42:59.000 He didn't think anything of it.

00:43:00.000 He wasn't told go to Santa Anastasia and look for the bones of giants.

00:43:05.000 He was just told go excavate the site.

00:43:07.000 He was one of the excavators at Santa Anastasia.

00:43:12.000 And the whole thing was being supervised by the municipality and the university.

00:43:16.000 And, and, He dug up, personally, he said he dug up the bodies, two bodies, 10 foot tall guys, full skeletons.

00:43:25.000 And he laid them out in the, these ones he laid out in the courtyard of the church.

00:43:29.000 And he said he notified the people in Cajeti of the discovery.

00:43:34.000 And what would happen is all the artifacts that would go into the church, or in this case, outside of the church, somebody would come at night and take them all away.

00:43:42.000 So they get there in the morning, all the artifacts are gone.

00:43:44.000 He didn't know where they went.

00:43:46.000 The other individual, Giuseppe, he also excavated.

00:43:51.000 Giants from Sant'Anastasia.

00:43:53.000 Various, various artifacts related to the giants, gigantic plates, gigantic cups and goblets, chalices.

00:44:03.000 They excavated a lot of different artifacts rings and earrings and necklaces and all kinds of, all manner of artifacts.

00:44:11.000 And he told me that he remembers a particular case in which he and his wife, his wife was helping on this particular day, they're excavating in the ruins and they found a skull that was so large.

00:44:22.000 He said the skulls were three to four times larger than ours.

00:44:25.000 He found this skull that was very large and it had part of the vertebrae attached.

00:44:28.000 Some of these remains were not just skeletal, they were almost like mummified.

00:44:35.000 And he and his wife together carried it into the church.

00:44:38.000 He told me that while they were digging, they unsealed a compartment inside of one of the towers.

00:44:46.000 There was this large room that was sealed, like it had collapsed or whatever was sealed.

00:44:53.000 And they opened it up.

00:44:55.000 And they went inside, and there was a giant, this very large person sitting at a table.

00:45:03.000 And there were, there's a really large plate and an oversized chalice there.

00:45:08.000 And he even had, he was eating oysters and mussels and clams that were still on the plate.

00:45:15.000 And he was very large.

00:45:16.000 I mean, these guys are, when I say large, they're nine to 12 feet tall.

00:45:20.000 That's how tall these guys are.

00:45:23.000 And it was remarkable.

00:45:23.000 He was extremely well preserved.

00:45:26.000 Because apparently he had been almost like hermetically sealed in this thing.

00:45:30.000 And so they took all the artifacts and the bones and put them into the church, and the next day they were all gone.

00:45:37.000 I mean, this was the procedure.

00:45:39.000 These guys uncovered a lot of interesting stuff at that one particular excavation at the church of Santa Anastasia in Sardara.

00:45:50.000 And they were filling the church up with so many artifacts that Giuseppe told me that he went over to the mayor.

00:45:57.000 And he told the mayor, Is there anywhere else that we can put these bones, these artifacts, because we're running out of space in the church?

00:46:05.000 And he was surprised at the mayor's response.

00:46:07.000 The mayor looked at him and said, Mind your own effing business. 0.99

00:46:12.000 Put the artifacts in the church and shut your mouth. 0.80

00:46:15.000 So these are the kind of stories I would hear all the time in Sardinia.

00:46:21.000 I mean, I could go on and on and on.

00:46:22.000 I talked to one guy that was Cy Virgilio, he was 100 years old.

00:46:29.000 Very, very interesting guy.

00:46:33.000 And Cy had been on a site when he was a young man.

00:46:37.000 He told me a couple of stories, but he told me that he was working in a vineyard one time and they were excavating.

00:46:45.000 They weren't excavating, they were tilling the soil to plant a vineyard.

00:46:50.000 And as they're tilling the soil, they start to dig up bones.

00:46:55.000 And they realize these are very large skeletal remains.

00:46:59.000 And they found like 20 of them and they were laying on top of each other in a crisscross pattern.

00:47:06.000 And so as soon as they started to find these bones, the owner of the vineyard said, Stop, stop.

00:47:10.000 I have to notify the authorities.

00:47:12.000 So he notifies the authorities and he came back to the workers and said, You guys have to get out of here.

00:47:16.000 The authorities are coming.

00:47:17.000 You have to leave now.

00:47:19.000 And Sai said that everyone left, but he hid in the bushes until everyone had left.

00:47:26.000 And he went back to work in the field because he said, I needed the money and I wanted to actually get paid for the day's wage.

00:47:31.000 So I went back and I worked and I kept tilling the field.

00:47:35.000 And he said, All of a sudden, well, the owner of the field came back and he said, What are you doing here?

00:47:40.000 I told you to leave.

00:47:42.000 And he said, I needed the money, so I'm going to keep working.

00:47:44.000 And the guy said, No, no, I'll pay you double.

00:47:46.000 And while they're talking, the government guys pull up.

00:47:46.000 Just get out of here.

00:47:50.000 And they pull up in some various vans, and they come out and they start taking pictures of all the bones.

00:47:58.000 And they take pictures of the bones of these skeletal remains that are laying in these cross configurations.

00:48:07.000 And then they load them all into the vans.

00:48:09.000 And then they went up into the nearby Nurage. 0.86

00:48:11.000 There was a Nurage there, one of these megalithic towers.

00:48:15.000 And they were inside the nurage looking at something, taking pictures.

00:48:19.000 And so I said that they sealed up, like with cement, they sealed up this tunnel, this something inside of it.

00:48:30.000 And then they left.

00:48:32.000 And I heard dozens of these kind of stories in Sardinia dozens.

00:48:36.000 These people have no reason to lie to me.

00:48:38.000 I mean, most of these are old timers. 0.95

00:48:41.000 We didn't pay them. 0.91

00:48:44.000 You know, they live out in the country.

00:48:46.000 I don't know if you've ever been to Sardinia.

00:48:48.000 It's like going back in time in Italy.

00:48:51.000 These are very simple people who live out in the country.

00:48:53.000 But as I said earlier, the bones, these giants are being found with artifacts.

00:48:58.000 I'll try to interrupt, but I'm looking at a story.

00:49:01.000 They're talking about finding skeletons there.

00:49:04.000 They're calling them skeletons.

00:49:05.000 They're calling them giants, but they're referring to statues.

00:49:09.000 Those are the giants of Monte Prada.

00:49:12.000 Those are just statues of the giants of Monte Prama.

00:49:18.000 I mean, there's news articles.

00:49:20.000 It goes back to the 70s.

00:49:22.000 Yeah, those are just statues.

00:49:23.000 Yeah, those are in a museum there.

00:49:24.000 But they call them skeletons, is the only thing I'm saying.

00:49:26.000 So there's like a little.

00:49:27.000 No, they're stone.

00:49:29.000 They're in the museum.

00:49:30.000 I know.

00:49:30.000 They're about seven feet tall, I think.

00:49:33.000 Some people wonder if those are actually uncovered skeletons.

00:49:36.000 I saw another article here where it said they found two giant skulls, but they're talking about the statues.

00:49:45.000 Yeah, some people wonder if those statues actually represented the.

00:49:49.000 You know, the anatomical proportions of the giants.

00:49:53.000 I don't know.

00:49:54.000 I don't know that that's the case.

00:49:56.000 But yeah, that's about all you're going to hear if you go through.

00:49:59.000 It just seems insane that there's not a photo, something of all these things, or that some wealthy, crazy person didn't get a hold of someone and say, listen, I'll give you $10 million.

00:50:15.000 Get me a hand.

00:50:16.000 You know, I want to put it in a glass case in my house. 1.00

00:50:19.000 We know that they've done that with Egyptian stuff.

00:50:21.000 Like a lot of Egyptian artifacts have been pilfered.

00:50:24.000 Yep.

00:50:25.000 Artifacts from a lot of artifacts from Peru.

00:50:27.000 Yes.

00:50:27.000 Central and South America.

00:50:29.000 There's a very robust black market.

00:50:29.000 Yeah.

00:50:31.000 Which is so wild.

00:50:32.000 Like, who are these people that have these things?

00:50:34.000 That's a good question.

00:50:35.000 Well, I was told in Sardinia, they told me that in some cases the bones were confiscated.

00:50:43.000 They were gathered up and thrown into vehicles and carted away.

00:50:49.000 Sai told me another story where he was digging a foundation for a house, he and an associate, and they came upon a very large sarcophagus.

00:50:59.000 And they pried it open, and he said there was a body of a very large person inside.

00:51:03.000 It was wearing some sort of black fabric.

00:51:05.000 And there were coins that were.

00:51:10.000 That were minted from Antoninus Pius, the Roman emperor, from that time.

00:51:17.000 And they reported there was a local priest and they told the priest that they found a body, right?

00:51:22.000 Like, we found a dead body.

00:51:23.000 What do we do?

00:51:24.000 And so the priest came over and he looked down at the pit.

00:51:26.000 He said, Give me the coins.

00:51:28.000 I gave him the coins.

00:51:29.000 He said, Break the bones up and distribute them in the foundation of the house.

00:51:33.000 I mean, this was, you know, if you went to Sardinia today, I think you would think to yourself, okay, yeah, I can see how there's no one taking pictures or anything over here.

00:51:42.000 This is like, Going way back in time in Italy, especially back in the 40s, 50s, and 60s when most of these things happened.

00:51:51.000 Now, the excavations at Santa Anastasia happened in the late 70s, early 80s, but all these other stories are coming from the 60s, 50s, 40s.

00:51:59.000 So, I mean, there were just so many people who I talked to.

00:52:06.000 Random people would tell me as I interviewed them that, oh, yeah, I was digging in my basement one time years ago and I dug up a hand.

00:52:16.000 It was a hand, five fingers, and it was three times the size of my hand.

00:52:21.000 Five fingers.

00:52:22.000 Yeah, that's random.

00:52:23.000 That could just be megafauna something.

00:52:26.000 I don't know what a giant sloth hand looks like or whatever.

00:52:29.000 And let me say this there is no question, none, no question, that a lot of the accounts that you hear about giants, not the ones associated with coins and jewelry, but a lot of the accounts that you hear about giants and the skeletons of giants, they do have prosaic explanations.

00:52:45.000 A lot of them do end up being megafauna.

00:52:48.000 Bones, especially giant sloths and stuff like that.

00:52:50.000 There was a case in Peru, actually, it was in Ecuador.

00:52:53.000 This is referenced in the Chronicles of Peru, that there's a place called Santa Elena, and it's a peninsula in Ecuador.

00:53:02.000 And there are various chroniclers who talk about this.

00:53:06.000 And these are the chroniclers who chronicle the history of the conquest of Peru, the Pizarro and the conquistadors who defeated the Inca.

00:53:18.000 They say that there was a race of giants, that there's giants came over, the natives told the conquistadors and the chroniclers that, according to legend, giants came over the sea on large reed boats.

00:53:32.000 And these giants were very, very large, and they had red hair, and some of them were naked, and some of them were dressed in very primitive clothing.

00:53:45.000 And they landed on the shores of Santa Elena, one of the places they landed, and they began to terrorize the local population. 0.97

00:53:51.000 The indigenous people hated them because they were eating all of the food.

00:53:56.000 I mean, the natives said that they consumed 50 times the amount of food as a regular sized person.

00:54:06.000 And so the natives hated them.

00:54:07.000 They said that the giants built these deep wells.

00:54:10.000 They dug these really deep wells, which you could still see.

00:54:12.000 The conquistadors said we could still see them today.

00:54:14.000 They built these houses with very large blocks and huge beams of wood, which were still there when the conquistadors were writing about this in the.

00:54:22.000 17th and 18th centuries.

00:54:27.000 And according to legend, these giants were sodomites and they didn't have any women with them and they were basically struck down by God.

00:54:37.000 And the natives have that and other legends regarding giants being destroyed by God in various ways.

00:54:45.000 But it turns out that Santa Elena is one of the most important sites for megafauna bones.

00:54:58.000 And there's tons of megafauna, especially giant sloths.

00:55:01.000 So you have lots of megafauna bones in Santa Elena.

00:55:05.000 And I have no doubt that the natives and the people living during that time in the aftermath of the conquest of the Inca Empire thought that those were the bones of giants.

00:55:21.000 Right, because there was no giant sloths alive at that time.

00:55:24.000 Exactly.

00:55:26.000 And in some of the accounts, you can see where they're saying, in the giants, and we uncovered a giant that was.

00:55:32.000 Had a deformed body.

00:55:34.000 And I thought, oh, that's probably a giant sloth or something, right?

00:55:38.000 So, yeah, there's a lot of that, unquestionably.

00:55:41.000 You have to be very careful as a researcher.

00:55:43.000 And in the beginning, this was years ago when I first started out researching this stuff, I made the mistake of just taking that story literally and believing, oh, yeah, they were digging up bones of giants, Santa Elena, until I realized that that is like one of the best places in the world to find megafauna bones.

00:56:02.000 So, Obviously, you have to concede to the facts of reality.

00:56:05.000 They're digging up megafauna there.

00:56:08.000 However, there are other stories that come from the chronicles in Peru where there's no way they're talking about megafauna.

00:56:17.000 And these stories come from the same chroniclers from which we derive, from the same text from which we derive the history of the conquest of Peru.

00:56:26.000 The same guys.

00:56:28.000 Guys like Bernabe Cobo and Antonio de la Calancha and Pedro Ciesa de Leon, all of the famous.

00:56:35.000 Chroniclers.

00:56:37.000 And there's one case in particular I find very intriguing.

00:56:39.000 There's lots of them.

00:56:40.000 By the way, when I was in, I lived in Peru for 10 years at some point.

00:56:44.000 And then later on, I went back to Peru and doing various investigations when I was looking into this, making documentaries about giants.

00:56:51.000 And when I was in Peru, I was in Puno some years ago, probably back in 2015, 2016.

00:56:57.000 I was in Puno and I met with an archaeologist in Puno.

00:57:01.000 His name was Edmundo de la Vega, very well known archaeologist.

00:57:07.000 And, um, I asked him, hey, are there any accounts of giants in the historical records here?

00:57:13.000 And he said, yeah, I think there's a couple accounts of giants.

00:57:19.000 And I said, okay.

00:57:19.000 He said, I don't think there's many, but I think there's a couple.

00:57:22.000 Okay.

00:57:23.000 Well, the next morning, he comes walking into my hotel in the lobby, and he's got a big smile on his face, and he hands me a disc.

00:57:30.000 And he said, I went, after we talked, I went into the archives.

00:57:33.000 They have access to the digital archives.

00:57:36.000 And I did a word search to try and see if I could find some of these accounts of giants.

00:57:39.000 He said, I cannot believe.

00:57:41.000 How many references to giants there are in the Chronicles.

00:57:46.000 And he handed me the disk, and I opened the files, and indeed there were many.

00:57:50.000 Now, some of them were in reference to Santa Elena, but some of them were much more remarkable.

00:57:57.000 For example, I'll give you one example here.

00:58:00.000 There was a Jesuit priest named Pablo Jose Arriaga who was going around Peru, and he wrote a book called The Extirpation of Idolatry in Peru.

00:58:11.000 I think it was 1602.

00:58:13.000 And he's going around Peru with the, which were called the visitadores, who were the officials.

00:58:24.000 There were clergymen that were dispatched to Peru who were extirpating idolatry.

00:58:31.000 They were very fair, these people, these visitadores, these official idolatry hunters, basically, because they were brutal.

00:58:40.000 And what they would do is they would go with the priests into the villages. 0.57

00:58:44.000 They would find out what the natives are worshiping, and then they would destroy it and then force convert the population. 0.84

00:58:52.000 And they chronicled everything. 1.00

00:58:54.000 Everything they found, because they had to.

00:58:56.000 This was an official assignment, right?

00:58:57.000 So they chronicle everything that they find.

00:58:59.000 This village, they go into this village, they're worshiping this.

00:59:03.000 We broke it into pieces or we burned it in the fire. 0.87

00:59:06.000 And these are official records.

00:59:09.000 And among these records, and this comes from, as I said, Pablo Jose Arriaga, but also later on, Antonio de la Calancha, who is a.

00:59:17.000 Augustinian monk.

00:59:19.000 It enlarges the story.

00:59:20.000 He expands on the story using other documents, including Arriaga's version.

00:59:31.000 And the story goes that Arriaga and the visitadores went into the village and they were led, they inquired, What are you worshiping?

00:59:39.000 Where are your gods?

00:59:41.000 And the indigenous people of Peru, they worshiped huacas.

00:59:47.000 And the waka could be anything.

00:59:48.000 It could be an idol.

00:59:49.000 It could be a mountain.

00:59:50.000 It could be a hill. 1.00

00:59:51.000 It was just wakas. 0.99

00:59:53.000 Even to this day, they call them wakas.

00:59:55.000 And so they inquired, Where are your wakas?

00:59:57.000 And they led them to the other side of the village where there is a large cave.

01:00:02.000 And they go into the cave. 0.94

01:00:04.000 And when they went in there, they record that there were many dead Gentiles. 0.99

01:00:09.000 And among them were two giants dressed in kumbi. 0.71

01:00:15.000 And they were enshrined.

01:00:18.000 Now that's very interesting.

01:00:19.000 Kumbi?

01:00:19.000 Kumbi is a very fine fabric that is, it was used exclusively by the Inca nobility.

01:00:29.000 In fact, it was illegal for anyone else to wear kumbi.

01:00:33.000 Only the Inca nobility could wear kumbi. 0.95

01:00:36.000 It's very fine fabric.

01:00:37.000 So it's very ceremonial and it belongs by law to the noble class. 0.79

01:00:42.000 So these indigenous people, they can't wear kumbi, but yet they dressed these two. 0.95

01:00:48.000 And it said that the bodies were well preserved, almost like mummified.

01:00:52.000 They dressed these two giants in kumbi, and they were enshrined in this tomb.

01:01:00.000 And so, when they realized that they were worshiping these giants, these dead giants, and the natives told them that these were their ancestors, these were their progenitors that's what they told the visitadores of idolatry they took the bodies out of the tomb and they burned them in the village.

01:01:18.000 Now, that's very interesting to me because you have two bodies, not just skeletal remains, bodies of giants, decayed with time but still quite well preserved, dressed in cumbi.

01:01:34.000 This doesn't sound like a giant sloth to me.

01:01:36.000 This doesn't sound like a mastodon.

01:01:39.000 This is something else.

01:01:41.000 And it corresponds to all the legends among the natives there in Peru regarding the existence of giants who were their progenitors.

01:01:53.000 So, those are just some historical details, some historical counts that I find very intriguing.

01:01:57.000 Well, there's so many of them.

01:01:59.000 That's what's weird.

01:01:59.000 And there's also this very bizarre desire that people have of destroying things from the past.

01:02:06.000 We find that with, I mean, the Taliban did that.

01:02:10.000 That. 0.85

01:02:11.000 There's a bunch of different incredible archaeological sites that were destroyed by past civilizations.

01:02:19.000 We just talked the other day about the Kailasa temple in India, about how they tried to destroy that for a couple of years.

01:02:28.000 They sent a thousand people, and they could barely put a dent in it.

01:02:31.000 Who was trying to destroy that?

01:02:32.000 Who was it, Jamie?

01:02:33.000 Do we remember?

01:02:38.000 Some warlord or general or something.

01:02:40.000 I'll find.

01:02:43.000 Who they came upon this temple that they didn't like, that someone else had built it and someone else owned it and someone else had constructed it.

01:02:50.000 You know the Kailasa temple that was built entirely out of stone?

01:02:53.000 Yeah, the one that was built like literally carved into the ground.

01:02:55.000 Yeah, into the side of the mountain.

01:02:57.000 Yeah.

01:02:58.000 Emperor, say that name.

01:03:00.000 You could say it.

01:03:01.000 You're really good with words. 1.00

01:03:02.000 Mughal.

01:03:03.000 What's his name?

01:03:04.000 Looks like Mughal to me.

01:03:05.000 I've never heard of Mughal.

01:03:06.000 What's the second word? 0.97

01:03:07.000 Orangzeb.

01:03:09.000 I don't know.

01:03:09.000 Orangzeb.

01:03:10.000 Orangzeb.

01:03:11.000 Historical figure widely reported to have ordered the destruction of the Kailasa temple.

01:03:16.000 In 1682, however, his mission failed because the monolithic temple was carved top down from a single solid volcanic rock.

01:03:23.000 His army could only disfigure some sculptures before giving up.

01:03:27.000 Oh, this was in 1682, yeah.

01:03:29.000 But it's just wild that people have always had this inclination to destroy old fascinating things.

01:03:35.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:03:37.000 Especially, you find this what's really sad is in Central America among the Aztec and the Maya, there were many codexes of the Aztec and the Maya that were intentionally destroyed.

01:03:47.000 By the Catholic Church, by various agents of the Catholic Church, would intentionally destroy these codexes.

01:03:54.000 Could you imagine the information that was stored in those things?

01:03:57.000 Well, how about the Library of Alexandria?

01:03:59.000 I mean, who knows what was in there?

01:03:59.000 Yeah.

01:04:02.000 And they burnt that several times.

01:04:03.000 Yeah.

01:04:04.000 It's.

01:04:06.000 There's the historical accounts in North America are interesting because there's actual newspaper stories from, God, was it like, I believe it's the 1800s?

01:04:18.000 Do you know what I'm talking about?

01:04:20.000 There are all kinds of newspaper stories about giants in the 1800s.

01:04:20.000 Yeah.

01:04:22.000 Newspaper stories about giant skeletons that have been discovered and excavated.

01:04:27.000 Yes, from the mid 1800s to the early 1900s.

01:04:30.000 And somehow or another, they all relate to the Smithsonian.

01:04:34.000 Most of them are associated with the mounds and the mound builders.

01:04:37.000 There were thousands of mounds east of the Mississippi.

01:04:40.000 I mean, people don't realize how many of these mounds there were.

01:04:44.000 And these are, you know, the monumental mounds and earthworks.

01:04:47.000 Some of them still stand today.

01:04:49.000 Not all of them are burial mounds, you have different kinds of mounds.

01:04:53.000 Some of them are effigies, some of them are platform mounds, but many of them are burial mounds.

01:04:58.000 And many of them contain very prosaic things like the bones of native people.

01:05:03.000 But some of them were said to have contained some very, very interesting artifacts.

01:05:09.000 And among those artifacts were the bones of giants, according to the newspaper reports.

01:05:13.000 Now, see if you can find.

01:05:14.000 I'm going to look it up.

01:05:15.000 There's a lot of them from the 1800s.

01:05:19.000 Yeah, I mean, there's.

01:05:20.000 110 feet high, 1872.

01:05:22.000 Yes.

01:05:22.000 Yeah, especially in the latter part of the 1800s.

01:05:25.000 How tall was it, Jimmy?

01:05:26.000 I mean, it's just.

01:05:27.000 Giant over 10 feet high, according to Lewis and Richard Collins' history of Kentucky.

01:05:34.000 Now, the contention is, of course, that these are wildly exaggerated and that the newspapers were engaging in hyperbole.

01:05:44.000 And that's true to some extent.

01:05:45.000 I have no problem with that.

01:05:46.000 They have hoaxes.

01:05:47.000 I've brought this up.

01:05:48.000 Some of them were hoaxes.

01:05:49.000 A whole lot of hoaxes.

01:05:50.000 Sure.

01:05:51.000 Some of them were hoaxes.

01:05:52.000 And these were the periodicals in the United States at the time were very competitive.

01:05:56.000 What is that photo? 0.99

01:05:57.000 Was that bullshit? 0.99

01:05:57.000 That far left photo? 0.99

01:05:59.000 Now, that far left one.

01:05:59.000 Yeah.

01:06:01.000 That one was actually, that's a disputed one.

01:06:05.000 Some people believe that that one is, in fact, was proven a hoax.

01:06:08.000 Other people think there might be a conspiracy that, in fact, it wasn't a hoax because it was actually on display for a while.

01:06:15.000 I don't know.

01:06:16.000 I don't think there's any way to know, but so many articles during that time were discussing these astounding discoveries of the bones of giants and mounds.

01:06:29.000 In fact, I don't know if you're aware, but it appears that even Abraham Lincoln references this in some lecture notes.

01:06:37.000 He was waxing poetically in some lecture notes about Niagara Falls.

01:06:41.000 And he says in those notes, you can still read them today.

01:06:43.000 You can pull them up and read them now.

01:06:45.000 He says, The eyes of that extinct species of giants whose bones fill the mounds of America have gazed upon Niagara as ours do now.

01:06:55.000 Those are from Lincoln's lecture notes.

01:06:57.000 Really?

01:06:57.000 I believe it's 1845, the date of those notes.

01:07:00.000 Oh, I've got to read that.

01:07:02.000 Now, here's the contention, okay?

01:07:03.000 This is interesting because here's the contention.

01:07:05.000 The contention is that he was talking about mastodons and mammoths, megafauna.

01:07:05.000 Okay.

01:07:11.000 Right.

01:07:12.000 That's what people say because he does mention Macedon and the mammoth later on in the lecture, in the speech.

01:07:22.000 However, what they won't tell you is before he mentions that, he's talking, he's in a biblical context, and he's talking about, he references Jesus and Moses and Adam right before he references the giants whose bones are found in the mounds of America.

01:07:39.000 See?

01:07:40.000 So the eyes of that species of extinct giants whose Bones filled the mounds of America, have gazed upon Niagara as ours do now, contemporary with the whole race of men.

01:07:53.000 Older than the first man, Niagara is strong and fresh to today as 10,000 years ago.

01:08:00.000 The mammoth and mastodon, now so long dead, that fragments of their monstrous bones alone testify that they ever lived, have gazed on Niagara in that long, long time, never still.

01:08:15.000 For a single moment, never dried, never froze, never slept, never rested.

01:08:19.000 That seems like he's talking about mastodons.

01:08:21.000 Well, it very well could be.

01:08:23.000 He's talking about the thousands of miles of water that they all would have seen.

01:08:28.000 Well, he could be talking about mastodons and mammoths, but look what he references before he gets to the giants Christ and Moses and Adam.

01:08:35.000 He says there's still more.

01:08:36.000 It calls up an indefinite past when Columbus first sought this continent, when Christ suffered on the cross, when Moses led Israel through the Red Sea.

01:08:44.000 Nay, even when Adam was made.

01:08:46.000 And he's talking, you know.

01:08:48.000 Right.

01:08:49.000 So here he's in the mounds.

01:08:49.000 First came from the hand of his maker.

01:08:51.000 Yeah, he's in the mounds.

01:08:52.000 Then as now, Niagara was roaring here, the eyes of that species of extinct giants whose bones filled the mounds of America.

01:09:00.000 That's what's weird.

01:09:00.000 Yeah, now listen.

01:09:01.000 The bones filled the mounds of America.

01:09:03.000 So here's the question Were the mounds of America filled with the bones of mastodons and giant sloths?

01:09:11.000 No.

01:09:11.000 No, they weren't.

01:09:12.000 Now, there have been some fragments of bones from mammoths and mastodons found in the mounds.

01:09:17.000 That's true.

01:09:19.000 They look to be.

01:09:22.000 Ritual pieces that people were buried with that were used for ceremonial purposes or something like that.

01:09:28.000 Maybe some of them were carved ornately.

01:09:30.000 But like people weren't digging up the skeletons of giant sloths and mastodons and mammoths in the mounds routinely.

01:09:36.000 That was very rare.

01:09:37.000 But it seems like if you found dead giants in the mounds, that it would be more specific.

01:09:44.000 You would talk about it more than just that.

01:09:47.000 I don't know.

01:09:48.000 I don't know either.

01:09:49.000 The reference is ambiguous.

01:09:50.000 So we're left to wonder is he talking about dead giants?

01:09:54.000 In the biblical context, which he's clearly in a biblical context before he gets it, or is he talking about mastodons?

01:10:01.000 And the issue is that there are giants in the Bible.

01:10:03.000 The Bible.

01:10:04.000 And also, that when he wrote, when he penned these lecture notes, there were newspaper articles circulating in the United States announcing the discovery of the bones of giants in the mountains.

01:10:14.000 Right.

01:10:15.000 So it's up for debate.

01:10:18.000 I don't know the answer.

01:10:18.000 There's got to be somebody who works at the Smithsonian that is sick of this.

01:10:25.000 There's got to be someone.

01:10:25.000 Yeah.

01:10:27.000 There's got to be some whistleblower that just take your fucking camera phone, get down there and film something, man. 0.99

01:10:27.000 We need that guy. 0.99

01:10:38.000 It just seems like if there really are some remnants of some of these things.

01:10:46.000 And the thing that's interesting is, you know, what is the museum that John Reeves has an issue with?

01:10:56.000 The National American History Museum, I think.

01:11:00.000 I know it's in Manhattan.

01:11:03.000 So, my friend John Reeves, are you aware of him?

01:11:05.000 He owns the Boneyard in Alaska?

01:11:09.000 Okay.

01:11:09.000 No.

01:11:10.000 So, this is the area of a lot.

01:11:12.000 John's a miner and he, Museum of Natural History.

01:11:17.000 So, he's a miner and he bought this land in Alaska and they're doing gold mining and they're blasting into the permafrost with hoses.

01:11:27.000 And they have found an enormous amount of mammoths, cave bears, animals that weren't even supposed to be living in Alaska at the time.

01:11:37.000 So, now they have to reformulate their idea of what the population is.

01:11:43.000 Of these lands were at this time, but also a layer of dark carbon that indicates there was some sort of an event.

01:11:51.000 All of this is sub 10,000 years ago.

01:11:54.000 So he's finding I mean, he has warehouses.

01:11:58.000 This is like fully go to the Boneyard Instagram, please.

01:12:02.000 He has warehouses of this stuff that he's pulled out of the ground.

01:12:07.000 He won't let anyone take it because the Museum of Natural History has some of this stuff from the previous owners, they have tons of it.

01:12:14.000 And they would not release it to him, even though it's his property.

01:12:18.000 So, this is, I mean, he's finding enormous mastodon skeletons, mammoth tusks.

01:12:25.000 I mean, they find tons of them, tons.

01:12:29.000 I mean, he has warehouses.

01:12:30.000 He built a scientific research facility there.

01:12:33.000 And he's like, people can come here and study it, but I'm not letting any.

01:12:36.000 Post Malone was there.

01:12:37.000 Shout out to Post.

01:12:39.000 Mastodon teeth and bones.

01:12:41.000 He actually gave me this.

01:12:43.000 This is a mammoth tooth.

01:12:46.000 That they take some of these things and they carve artwork into them, which to me.

01:12:49.000 That is very cool. 0.99

01:12:51.000 The artwork is kind of fucked. 0.98

01:12:52.000 It's kind of weird that they do that because it's. 0.99

01:12:54.000 But this is a.

01:12:55.000 Like a petrified mastodon tooth?

01:12:55.000 Yes.

01:12:58.000 A molar, rather.

01:12:59.000 Wow.

01:12:59.000 That is really cool.

01:13:01.000 Yeah.

01:13:02.000 Amazing.

01:13:03.000 Yeah.

01:13:04.000 So this is all from his property.

01:13:06.000 Wow.

01:13:06.000 But why?

01:13:07.000 Why is there such a distribution of megafauna bones there?

01:13:11.000 His belief is that there was some sort of a mass extinction event that happened.

01:13:17.000 Whatever year it was, you know, that coincides with the Younger Drys impact theory.

01:13:22.000 And he, and when, circa 11,000 BC.

01:13:25.000 Yeah.

01:13:25.000 And when he's had some of these things tested and dated, they do, they're post, they're around this time.

01:13:32.000 And he thinks that there was some sort of a mass extinction event and the flooding led them all to be washed away into this one very particular area because it's a deep concentration of these bones, too many that seem to have died around the same time.

01:13:49.000 And all preserved.

01:13:50.000 So it seems like because they're preserved in the permafrost, that this is something that happened with this enormous event.

01:13:57.000 The bodies are washed down into this one area, and because of the landscape, because of the contours of the land, they're collected into this one area.

01:14:06.000 And it's not a big place.

01:14:07.000 I think it's four to six acres that he's pulling most of these things out of.

01:14:11.000 And there's several other places that he's now finding things in as well.

01:14:16.000 You know, I find really fascinating the specimens that they find of mammoth and mastodon that are frozen solid with chewing food.

01:14:25.000 With broken legs sometimes.

01:14:25.000 Yeah.

01:14:27.000 Right.

01:14:28.000 There's some sort of an impact.

01:14:28.000 Broken hips.

01:14:30.000 Some massive shock wave that kills them all instantly. 0.99

01:14:33.000 Yeah. 0.75

01:14:34.000 It instantly freezes them.

01:14:36.000 Yeah.

01:14:37.000 And I think one of the hypotheses that I've heard is that, you know, you had referencing the Younger Dryas impact event, you had a potentially a comet or comets that were ripping through the atmosphere at such high rates of speed that they were pulling in the vacuum of space, that sub zero temperature air, and like blasting it down on the earth.

01:14:58.000 Yes.

01:14:58.000 And that that air was so cold it would instantly freeze whatever was in its path.

01:15:03.000 You know, as these comets are breaking through the atmosphere.

01:15:05.000 I don't know if that's true, but it's very difficult to explain how you can flash freeze something like that.

01:15:11.000 Right.

01:15:12.000 And then in other parts of the Earth, you have apparent biomass burning.

01:15:16.000 So you have mastodons over here freezing, right?

01:15:19.000 Solid.

01:15:20.000 You have other megafauna over here that were clearly swept up in a flood.

01:15:23.000 You have other megafauna and other kinds of extinct plants and stuff that have evidence of burning, biomass burning.

01:15:30.000 So it's like some sort of absolutely unimaginable cataclysm.

01:15:37.000 Yes.

01:15:38.000 That struck planet Earth at some time, circa 11,000 BC.

01:15:42.000 And it seems like there's a lot of physical evidence in terms of iridium and soil samples.

01:15:49.000 It's very common in space, very rare on Earth, layers of iridium.

01:15:53.000 And then the dark carbon, layers of burnt material.

01:15:56.000 It seems there were incredible fires.

01:15:58.000 So we were probably hit by asteroids.

01:16:01.000 They also find that nuclear glass, the same stuff that they found during the Trinity explosion.

01:16:06.000 They find little particles of that everywhere that seem to indicate a huge impact.

01:16:11.000 That happened.

01:16:12.000 And this is what Randall Carlson also believes the same timeline was what caused the melting of the ice layer over North America and created the Great Lakes.

01:16:23.000 Yeah.

01:16:23.000 And caused the massive flooding and the land features that you see from space.

01:16:29.000 If you look down from satellite imagery, it clearly looks like there was just immense amounts of water that washed over the land.

01:16:36.000 Yeah.

01:16:37.000 And yeah, Randall talks a lot about the impact of those.

01:16:42.000 Comets on the ice sheets, the Laurentide ice sheet, for example, two miles thick.

01:16:46.000 What happens when you slam a comet into a two mile thick ice sheet?

01:16:50.000 Right.

01:16:50.000 A comet the size of a city.

01:16:52.000 Yeah, you superheat it.

01:16:53.000 Then you have all the ejecta coming off of it and landing in force and igniting the force.

01:16:59.000 And of course, if you have advanced civilizations at the time, which I believe they did, you have a mass extinction event where everything gets annihilated.

01:17:07.000 Nothing left.

01:17:08.000 A few people survive somewhere in the world, and it takes thousands of years.

01:17:13.000 For them to reinvent civilization.

01:17:14.000 Especially the civilizations living in the coastal areas or on the banks of rivers where a lot of civilizations are.

01:17:19.000 They're gone.

01:17:20.000 I mean, they're gone.

01:17:21.000 And not only that, the level of the ocean rises significantly.

01:17:21.000 They're gone.

01:17:24.000 That's all documented fact, historically accepted.

01:17:27.000 Everyone, you know, geologists, archaeologists, everyone accepts that this is something that happened.

01:17:35.000 And then that the ice sheets in North America were a mile, two miles high, three quarters of the entire continent covered with ice.

01:17:42.000 Yeah, that's wild.

01:17:44.000 Recently, in terms of like the earth, when you're going back 11,000, 12,000 years ago, that's not a long time ago.

01:17:52.000 Not a long time ago.

01:17:53.000 And this whole thing covered in ice.

01:17:56.000 And then you also have the almost instantaneous extinction of 65% of all North American megafauna, which is kind of crazy.

01:18:03.000 Yeah.

01:18:04.000 Like, what caused that?

01:18:04.000 Kind of crazy.

01:18:06.000 Which some anthropologists still maintain today that that's because the indigenous people killed them.

01:18:06.000 Yeah.

01:18:12.000 They hunted them into extinction.

01:18:14.000 That's cute.

01:18:15.000 It's absolutely absurd. 1.00

01:18:16.000 With atollatals. 1.00

01:18:17.000 It's absolutely absurd. 0.99

01:18:19.000 Spears and atollatals.

01:18:20.000 I mean, we don't even know if they had bows and arrows yet.

01:18:22.000 Right.

01:18:23.000 It's just clearly something catastrophic happened in the relatively recent past.

01:18:30.000 Yes.

01:18:31.000 And this is, as I said, it's the same with giants.

01:18:33.000 You have this ubiquitous testimony about giants.

01:18:36.000 Well, concurrent with that, you have this ubiquitous testimony about cataclysm. 0.70

01:18:40.000 Have you seen the work that there's this Italian guy? 0.57

01:18:43.000 I'll send you the article, Jamie.

01:18:44.000 There's this Italian guy that is proposing that the I'll send it to you, Jamie.

01:18:53.000 There's a way of measuring the erosion on the outside of the pyramids that he believes indicates they are at least 10,000 years older than we believe so far.

01:19:06.000 I'll send this to you, Jamie.

01:19:12.000 Here.

01:19:14.000 But this is obviously disputed.

01:19:16.000 But they're 10,000 years older.

01:19:18.000 Super controversial, at least.

01:19:19.000 He's talking about the erosion on the granite and that there's.

01:19:24.000 By studying erosion and by studying the timeline of erosion.

01:19:30.000 This is something that Ben Van Kirkwick has talked about.

01:19:34.000 When you look at the older, non updated versions of some of the sites in Egypt, where it's clear that there was original stone and then there was stone that was built on top of that.

01:19:46.000 Here's the article that shows some better.

01:19:47.000 Okay, so here's the article.

01:19:49.000 So the heading of the article, please?

01:19:50.000 So it says, Could the Great Pyramid be far older than we thought?

01:19:54.000 A new study says yes.

01:19:55.000 And if you go to it, Down there, what he's saying is so this is from January of 2026.

01:20:01.000 Go up a little bit right there, bigger, bigger.

01:20:04.000 Paper released in January 2026.

01:20:06.000 Italian engineer Alberto Donini presents an unconventional dating approach known as the relative erosion method, which he argues may challenge the long accepted chronology placed in the construction of the Pyramid of Khufu around 2560 BC.

01:20:21.000 According to Donini's calculations, erosion patterns at the pyramid's base could suggest a construction date.

01:20:28.000 Tens of thousands of years earlier, potentially as far back as the late Paleolithic period.

01:20:33.000 The claim, if substantiated, would have far reaching implications for the history of ancient Egypt and early civilization, yet it also raises immediate questions about methodology, assumptions, and how such results could be interpreted within archaeological science.

01:20:47.000 Well, I don't think archaeology is a science.

01:20:51.000 I just think what archaeology is, is they're looking at stuff and they're guessing and they're using science and then they're also, they have.

01:20:59.000 Timelines that they establish that they're very reluctant to let go of.

01:21:03.000 And we've seen this with the dating of Golbekli Tepe.

01:21:03.000 Yeah.

01:21:06.000 We've seen this with the erosion around the Temple of the Sphinx.

01:21:12.000 They're very reluctant.

01:21:13.000 While simultaneously disregarding the ubiquitous testimony of our ancient antecedents who say that their ancestors were far greater than them.

01:21:23.000 Look at this right here.

01:21:25.000 Other points yield far higher values.

01:21:27.000 Several measurements suggest erosion equivalent to 20,000 to more than 40,000 years of exposure.

01:21:33.000 While the arithmetic mean of all 12 points produces a result of approximately 24,900 years before present, corresponding to roughly 22,900 BC. 0.98

01:21:45.000 I mean, holy shit, if that's accurate. 0.97

01:21:49.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:21:49.000 That's accurate. 0.99

01:21:50.000 Yeah.

01:21:51.000 And then you have also Filippo Biondi's work where they're looking at the radio tomography below the pyramids and they have these structures that go 1.2 kilometers down into the earth.

01:22:02.000 Did you see my, I did an interview on, I made an appearance on Piers Morgan's show and Pierce had on Hawi Zawas.

01:22:02.000 Yeah.

01:22:13.000 And I didn't know that I was going to be interacting with Hawi Zawas. 0.97

01:22:16.000 Zahi, Zahi. 1.00

01:22:17.000 Sorry.

01:22:18.000 Zahi Wass.

01:22:19.000 Zahi Wass. 0.64

01:22:20.000 The other way around.

01:22:21.000 I didn't know that I was going to be interacting with him.

01:22:24.000 I was just told that they wanted me to come on and talk about pyramids and stuff.

01:22:28.000 But then Pierce loves a good scramble.

01:22:30.000 Yeah.

01:22:32.000 He loves a squabble.

01:22:33.000 So he set me up here's your opportunity to say whatever you want.

01:22:36.000 You know, it was me and Jimmy Corsetti and some other people.

01:22:39.000 Here's your opportunity to ask Zahi whatever you want.

01:22:42.000 And I'm thinking to myself, I don't really have anything to ask this guy.

01:22:46.000 But then it occurred to me.

01:22:48.000 I actually have, me and my team are in possession of some state of the art ground penetrating radar technology.

01:22:53.000 That we used to great effect in Peru.

01:22:56.000 And so I'm thinking about this discovery, these alleged megastructures under the pyramids.

01:23:02.000 And I'm thinking, you know, it wouldn't be that difficult.

01:23:05.000 You don't have to detect them all the way down.

01:23:07.000 You just have to verify that there's something there, right?

01:23:11.000 And so I posited this to Zahi and, you know, I told him, look, I've got this equipment.

01:23:20.000 Would you facilitate us coming down there?

01:23:22.000 And it operates off of a drone platform.

01:23:25.000 So you don't have to drag it.

01:23:27.000 It's, it's, uh, fly, you can fly it around the pyramid.

01:23:31.000 You don't have to touch the pyramid.

01:23:32.000 You just fly it in the vicinity of the pyramids and see if you can detect something.

01:23:37.000 I mean, there's, there's no, there's, you know, you would do no injury to any sort of artifacts there.

01:23:45.000 And he seemed like he was very open to the idea, you know, on camera and said that basically told Piers, get your people in contact with him so that, you know, give him my information so I can reach out to him.

01:23:56.000 Of course, that never happened.

01:23:58.000 So, It would not be that difficult to verify that.

01:24:01.000 And that's why I'm wondering why you don't have to dig.

01:24:04.000 Right.

01:24:05.000 Why wouldn't you want as much exploration at the most spectacular site that human beings have ever erected on the face of the earth that has a very controversial timeline?

01:24:17.000 That's right. 0.67

01:24:17.000 I mean, even the conventional timeline is super controversial because, like, how the fuck did they do it? 0.67

01:24:22.000 Even if you just accept that it's 2500 BC.

01:24:25.000 Okay.

01:24:26.000 Great.

01:24:26.000 How?

01:24:28.000 I mean, I don't know why it being older.

01:24:31.000 Is more controversial because it's still the same people, the same human beings that lived a long time ago.

01:24:39.000 That's all we're talking about.

01:24:40.000 But why are they sticking to 2500 BC?

01:24:42.000 It's because they've always said that they know.

01:24:45.000 They've always said with great certainty and from a position of authority that this is what we know. 0.92

01:24:51.000 We know Khufu did this. 0.61

01:24:53.000 We know this guy did this. 0.99

01:24:54.000 But you don't really know.

01:24:56.000 And there's also an incredible amount of evidence that these guys wrote their name on everything.

01:25:01.000 When they were in power, they liked to put their names on everything.

01:25:05.000 Or recarve the head of the Sphinx.

01:25:07.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:25:07.000 Well, that's definitely true. 0.94

01:25:09.000 Yeah.

01:25:09.000 It's definitely different.

01:25:10.000 There's some controversy about that as well because there are layers of stone that have different gradients, like different hardness.

01:25:17.000 And they're different types of stone.

01:25:18.000 And the face, the controversy is that the face is like a harder stone and it wouldn't erode as quickly.

01:25:27.000 Problem with that is, the stuff that's eroded for a long period in history was covered in sand.

01:25:34.000 We know that for a fact.

01:25:35.000 So there was no erosion going on during that period of time, yet it's massively more eroded than the face.

01:25:41.000 Well, I think that one of the fundamental problems that we have as modern Westerners looking at this stuff is we have an inversion of the timeline of history.

01:25:51.000 When we look at the timeline of history, we generally view our antecedents as like cavemen. 0.98

01:25:58.000 These are very ignorant people. 1.00

01:26:00.000 They're basically chimpanzees with better brains. 0.99

01:26:04.000 And as we progress through the timeline of history, we're becoming increasingly more intelligent, increasingly more capable of building and And of building these monuments and technology and so forth.

01:26:15.000 So we see ourselves as the pinnacle of the human species.

01:26:20.000 Like we're the smartest, we're the greatest.

01:26:23.000 That's not the way that the ancients viewed the antediluvian world.

01:26:25.000 That's not the way that they viewed their antecedents.

01:26:29.000 They see the, for them it was the inverse.

01:26:31.000 For them, they were always trying to recover the glory of the people that had come before them, the majesty of the civilization that had come before them. 0.90

01:26:43.000 So when they look back, Down the timeline of history, they're the dummies.

01:26:48.000 And the further you go back, the more extraordinary people are.

01:26:52.000 Because they were closer to it, right?

01:26:54.000 And they all have a myth of the flood.

01:26:58.000 And of the Anti-Columbian world in general.

01:26:58.000 All of them.

01:27:00.000 And they lived in a timeline that was closer to that and more accepted because they probably had a knowledge, an understanding, at least the earliest ones, that they didn't make this.

01:27:11.000 And so they probably passed that down.

01:27:14.000 Yeah.

01:27:14.000 Well, I think they inherited traditions from their ancestors about these things.

01:27:19.000 You know, I mean, you have this idea of a golden age among the ancients.

01:27:26.000 The golden age, meaning there was a time on earth, the Greeks coined that particular phrase, the golden age.

01:27:32.000 The Egyptians, the ancient Egyptians called it Zeptepi, the first time.

01:27:35.000 There was a time on earth when the gods descended to the earth and cohabited with human species, and to some extent, commingled with the human species.

01:27:46.000 And that it was during this time that Knowledge was transferred and that great cities were built.

01:27:54.000 This is, of course, this is where the myth of Atlantis falls into this category.

01:28:00.000 And then their world was suddenly and catastrophically destroyed.

01:28:06.000 And what we've been doing since that destruction in the mind of the ancients, what they've been doing since that destruction was attempting to rebuild, to rediscover the lost knowledge from that age, to recover it and to try and Try and emulate their superior ancestors.

01:28:26.000 That's what you see everywhere, everywhere around the world.

01:28:29.000 Doesn't matter if you're in Egypt or if you're in Peru, you see the same sort of thing.

01:28:34.000 The same thing applies, by the way, for the megaliths in Peru.

01:28:38.000 I don't know if you've been to Peru.

01:28:40.000 No.

01:28:41.000 Some of the most astounding megaliths that you'll see anywhere in the world.

01:28:46.000 I referenced earlier the walls of Saxay Huaman, absolutely phenomenal.

01:28:51.000 Cyclopean architecture.

01:28:52.000 And of course, the construction of those walls is attributed to the Inca.

01:28:58.000 So if you ask archaeologists in Peru who built Saxayhuaman, who built Machu Picchu, who built Ojantaytambo, it's always going to be the same answer the Inca. 0.77

01:29:08.000 The Inca built it.

01:29:09.000 Now, the problem is there's no record of the Inca building those walls.

01:29:15.000 And if you ask the ancient Quechua people, if you ask actually the Quechua people, the Quechua people who continue in their ancient traditions, the ones who are there today, and they still wear their typical vestments and they still speak Quechua.

01:29:35.000 If you talk to them and you ask them who built the walls of Saxay Waman, specifically Saxay Waman, they'll tell you a race of giants.

01:29:43.000 This goes back to those, you know, our progenitors, the giants.

01:29:47.000 The giants built Saxay Waman.

01:29:50.000 If you go up to Titicaca, Lake Titicaca, and you ask the Aymara people who built Tiwanaku, which is on the other side of Lake Titicaca in Bolivia, who built those megalithic edifices, the giants, our progenitors.

01:30:06.000 That's what they'll tell you.

01:30:08.000 So, And I don't necessarily think that giants built all this stuff.

01:30:11.000 I don't necessarily think that at all.

01:30:12.000 I just think that there's everyone is acknowledging that something extraordinary happened in the past, that our antecedents were much more impressive than we've given them credit for.

01:30:24.000 I mean, our antediluvian antecedents.

01:30:28.000 And that in many cases, like you said, there's no inscriptions on megalithic stuff anywhere.

01:30:36.000 You go to Machu Picchu, and it's apparent that in Sacsayhuama, Machu Picchu, Ojantaitambo, In other places in Peru, it's apparent that the Incas certainly built on top.

01:30:47.000 And they took advantage of these megalithic foundations, right?

01:30:49.000 Anyone would.

01:30:50.000 I mean, if you're going to build an edifice, you would use the superior foundations here, massive stones, and you'd build on top.

01:30:57.000 And you try to emulate that style of building because it's anti seismic, for one thing.

01:31:02.000 So in Machu Picchu, it's evident to me, and I think anybody who walks around that complex, you can see, and we have to keep in mind that.

01:31:13.000 Much of Machu Picchu today is a reconstruction.

01:31:15.000 It's an archaeological reconstruction, except for the foundations.

01:31:18.000 We have pictures from Hiram Bingham, original pictures in black and white of what Machu Picchu looked like when he discovered it accidentally.

01:31:27.000 And what's there?

01:31:29.000 The megalithic foundations are there.

01:31:31.000 That's what's there the megalithic foundations.

01:31:35.000 And you see, and the Inca built on top of those foundations.

01:31:39.000 And that's what a lot of the archaeological reconstruction today reflects.

01:31:42.000 So, If you walk around in Machu Picchu, I remember I've been there several times filming and doing different things.

01:31:49.000 And I remember one time I was with my colleague Anselm P. Rombler, and we had a guide with us.

01:31:54.000 And he was an older gentleman, very, very knowledgeable.

01:31:58.000 And he was one of their official guides in Machu Picchu.

01:32:02.000 And we're walking around, and he's telling us different things about the Inca and how they did certain things.

01:32:06.000 And certainly the Inca built a lot up there.

01:32:08.000 There's no question about it.

01:32:09.000 The Inca were impressive.

01:32:10.000 I'm not taking anything away from the Inca.

01:32:14.000 You look at some of the edifices at Machu Picchu, you can see these magnificent megalithic foundations, big stones, polygonal, fit together so tightly you couldn't pass a butter knife between the joints.

01:32:25.000 And then you have on top what sometimes people describe as Inca slop, on top, where it's like they're kind of trying to match the style of below, but it's not as precise, it's not as fine.

01:32:37.000 And you can see the clear delineation, clear delineation between the megalithic and then what the Inca are doing, and then also the archaeological reconstruction.

01:32:46.000 And I remember asking this guide of ours.

01:32:50.000 I pointed across the courtyard to some beautiful, this exquisite polygonal foundational wall with just sort of crude Inca stuff on top.

01:33:00.000 And I said, Why are there two different styles here?

01:33:05.000 Why do you see these large megalithic blocks fit together so precisely, and then you have this other style?

01:33:12.000 And, you know, keeping in mind the archaeological reconstruction, but there was enough of the site.

01:33:18.000 There, that they could model what they did based on what the Inca had done.

01:33:22.000 And he said, because they liked the way it looked.

01:33:27.000 That was the answer.

01:33:29.000 They liked the way it looked.

01:33:32.000 And I said, you can't really believe that. 0.99

01:33:34.000 I mean, you're not an idiot, right? 0.98

01:33:37.000 They didn't do that because they liked the way it looked. 0.96

01:33:40.000 The reason why there's an inferior mode of building on top of those megalithic foundations is because they didn't know how to do that.

01:33:47.000 They did the best they could, and they were very good, attempting to adopt the Cyclopean style. 0.82

01:33:52.000 They were good, the Inca.

01:33:54.000 But the only reason you would do that, the only reason you would put inferior architecture on top of superior foundations is because you don't know how to do that.

01:34:03.000 Yeah, well, it's also just the sheer size of these blocks. 0.62

01:34:10.000 It just gives you so many questions because it's not like you could recreate that with whatever the Inca had.

01:34:19.000 That's what's confusing.

01:34:21.000 In order to move those stones into position and then put them and construct them in a way that appears like they've been melted into place, you're like, how?

01:34:32.000 How are you moving them?

01:34:33.000 How are you placing them?

01:34:34.000 What do you use? 1.00

01:34:34.000 You should go to Ajante Tambo. 1.00

01:34:35.000 Okay, so you go to Ojantaitambo, which is in between Cusco and Machu Picchu.

01:34:41.000 You have to go to Ojantaitambo to get on the train to go up to Machu Picchu.

01:34:43.000 It's the only way to get there.

01:34:44.000 And Ojantaitambo has some of the most exquisite megalithic architecture on planet Earth.

01:34:51.000 It is so beautiful, the way that they were able to.

01:34:54.000 And it's large megalithic blocks.

01:34:56.000 And there's two different styles represented there.

01:34:59.000 You have the polygonal, like at the walls of Sacsayhuaman in Peru.

01:35:02.000 And then you have the interlocking blocks, like at Tihuanaku.

01:35:06.000 Both of those styles are there.

01:35:08.000 And there's this one spot at Ojantai Tamil that I love to take people to because you're going up the stairs and the wall curves.

01:35:17.000 As you're going up the stairs, the wall curves.

01:35:19.000 Now, if you and I were building a wall today, even if we were like the best masons in the world and we're building a wall for, I don't know, for some billionaire in his house, we would interlock the blocks in the corner like everyone does everywhere, right?

01:35:36.000 Or if it's cement, you could take cement because cement is pliable and you could make whatever shape you want.

01:35:41.000 But if it's blocks, you're going to interlock the blocks into that corner or do something like that.

01:35:45.000 You know what they did at Ojanta Tambo?

01:35:47.000 They curved the stone into the wall. 0.93

01:35:52.000 They curved the stone.

01:35:53.000 So they took the stone.

01:35:54.000 Is there images of that that we could look at?

01:35:55.000 Yeah, you can pull up stones like that.

01:35:56.000 And they cut the stone so that it curved into the corner.

01:36:00.000 Who would do that?

01:36:02.000 That is so intricate.

01:36:03.000 That is so difficult.

01:36:05.000 And by what?

01:36:07.000 By what technology?

01:36:08.000 But here's the interesting thing.

01:36:09.000 You find the same fingerprints of these builders all over the world.

01:36:14.000 You find the same thing in Egypt. 0.72

01:36:16.000 They curve stones.

01:36:18.000 Some of those stones are curved into the corners and other places where there's megalithic constructions.

01:36:23.000 I mean, these guys, there is like a ubiquitous knowledge of masonry in the world.

01:36:29.000 The fingerprint is everywhere, everywhere you go.

01:36:32.000 It's interesting because one of the things I was trying to.

01:36:37.000 Trying to convince this guide of ours at Machu Picchu this one time of was look, here's a problem.

01:36:44.000 You guys come over to Machu Picchu.

01:36:46.000 So yeah, that's Saxe Huaman.

01:36:46.000 So here it is.

01:36:48.000 Is that what you're talking about though?

01:36:50.000 No.

01:36:50.000 Curved stone?

01:36:51.000 No, I'm talking about a stone that's curved.

01:36:52.000 See that there where it says Inca stonework?

01:36:55.000 In the middle.

01:36:57.000 Yeah, at Saxe Huaman, they'll take a large stone.

01:37:00.000 That one looks like it's curved too in the wall, but that's not a very large stone.

01:37:03.000 Saxe Huaman will take a large stone and they'll curve it into the wall.

01:37:06.000 I don't see Soxai Waman in any of those.

01:37:11.000 You have to type.

01:37:11.000 I'm sorry, not Soxai Waman.

01:37:13.000 Ojantai Tambo.

01:37:15.000 O L L A N T. O L L A N T. A Y. T A M B O. O L L. O L L. A N T. A Y. A-Y-T-A-M-B-O. 1.00

01:37:15.000 How do you spell it? 1.00

01:37:34.000 Never gonna guess that.

01:37:35.000 Whoa. 1.00

01:37:35.000 That's Ojanta Tambo. 1.00

01:37:38.000 And I'm looking for that curved. 0.99

01:37:40.000 What are the nubs?

01:37:42.000 What are the nubs?

01:37:43.000 I don't know.

01:37:44.000 There's another fingerprint of this architecture everywhere.

01:37:48.000 No one really knows.

01:37:49.000 I mean, there's a lot of interesting theories out there, but I think at the end of the day, nobody has any idea what the heck those nubs are.

01:37:55.000 Those things are so spectacular.

01:37:57.000 Look at that.

01:37:58.000 Look at the wall right there. 1.00

01:38:00.000 At Ojante Tambo. 1.00

01:38:02.000 You make that look exquisite.

01:38:04.000 That's nuts.

01:38:05.000 I mean, it is just absolutely astonishing.

01:38:08.000 And the weight.

01:38:10.000 The weight of these things.

01:38:11.000 And the fact that they're carved and placed in a way that would absorb the energy of earthquakes.

01:38:18.000 Yes.

01:38:19.000 They're anti seismic.

01:38:20.000 They're anti seismic.

01:38:20.000 Yeah.

01:38:21.000 That's why they do it that way.

01:38:23.000 Which is incredible technology.

01:38:25.000 Think about this, okay?

01:38:26.000 So, you are with Francisco Pizarro, you're a conquistador.

01:38:33.000 In 1533 or 1532 or 1534, I can't remember exactly when he landed.

01:38:39.000 And you're walking through Peru and you see this.

01:38:44.000 You see this kind of architecture as you're conquering Peru.

01:38:49.000 You overthrow the Inca and then you go to build, which they did, they overthrew the Inca, the capital city of Cusco.

01:38:55.000 They go to build their cathedrals.

01:38:58.000 They built lots of cathedrals and palaces for themselves, right?

01:39:01.000 So you have the Inca palaces and cathedrals.

01:39:04.000 They took. 0.99

01:39:05.000 The blocks from Sacsayhuaman. 0.97

01:39:07.000 They took the upper layer blocks and they used them to build their cathedral.

01:39:11.000 There's a couple cathedrals downtown Cusco that were built with the blocks from Sacsayhuaman.

01:39:16.000 They didn't build it like that.

01:39:18.000 They didn't build their cathedrals like that. 0.57

01:39:20.000 They took those blocks and they just put them together with mortar like they do in Europe.

01:39:24.000 So here's a question that I always ask people who think that the Inca were doing that.

01:39:29.000 If you were an architect at that time, why in the world wouldn't you have forced the Inca to teach you that style?

01:39:37.000 So that you could build your cathedral. 0.84

01:39:38.000 I mean, you would be the greatest architect in the world, right?

01:39:41.000 Right.

01:39:42.000 You could build the most magnificent cathedrals in the world in the Cyclopean style if you understood how they did it. 0.87

01:39:50.000 So if the Inca were the ones who built it, why didn't they force the Inca to teach them how to build in this style? 0.91

01:39:56.000 Just look at that.

01:39:56.000 That is so crazy.

01:39:59.000 That's clearly sanded down, right?

01:40:02.000 Well, those are in the process.

01:40:03.000 That's Ojanta Itambo, that's the Temple of the Sun at the summit.

01:40:07.000 I'm just letting the faces of it look so smooth.

01:40:11.000 That's Ojanta Tambel.

01:40:12.000 And this was in the process of being constructed at the top when it halted.

01:40:17.000 You can see the blocks there.

01:40:19.000 Those blocks that you're just looking at were.

01:40:20.000 So something happened.

01:40:22.000 Yes.

01:40:22.000 Those blocks were in the process of being transported and they were being worked right there.

01:40:29.000 They were being prepped to be incorporated into the walls.

01:40:34.000 And it just halted.

01:40:37.000 And the conventional explanation is that it halted because the Spanish arrived.

01:40:40.000 That's what halted the work. 0.93

01:40:44.000 But I think what halted the work was cataclysm, personally.

01:40:48.000 I think that's what halted the work.

01:40:50.000 Something like a Younger Dry's impact.

01:40:52.000 What's that, Jimmy?

01:40:53.000 See, right here, it looks like the face of the wall, you know?

01:40:56.000 Like it looks like it's all uniform and fits together, right?

01:40:58.000 But if that right here is part of it.

01:41:01.000 Yeah, there's filler in the backing.

01:41:02.000 Then that's like.

01:41:03.000 Yeah, they have filler in the backing.

01:41:04.000 Some of them.

01:41:05.000 Yeah, some of them, the blocks are just gigantic blocks.

01:41:08.000 Others, it's like the facade is exquisite and.

01:41:11.000 Like what we have here.

01:41:12.000 Tightly fit.

01:41:12.000 You know, that brick in the background used to just be brick at the other studio?

01:41:16.000 Uh huh.

01:41:17.000 Kind of like that.

01:41:18.000 Right, right.

01:41:19.000 I know what you're saying.

01:41:19.000 Yeah, but except these are enormous.

01:41:21.000 Sure, Or, I don't know.

01:41:24.000 Yeah, I mean.

01:41:25.000 Hardened in place and sanded down.

01:41:27.000 Oh, there was a picture of the guy standing in the corner.

01:41:30.000 There was a guy standing in the corner that I was referencing earlier.

01:41:34.000 There it is, right there, that guy.

01:41:35.000 No, the one below it.

01:41:37.000 I don't think you can see the corner very well.

01:41:38.000 That right there, the middle?

01:41:39.000 See the guy in the blue standing there?

01:41:41.000 Yeah, right there.

01:41:43.000 Behind him, you can see how the stone below him is curved into the corner.

01:41:47.000 That's not a separate stone.

01:41:48.000 It's literally curved into that corner.

01:41:54.000 It's just so weird.

01:41:55.000 The nubs are weird.

01:41:56.000 They are weird.

01:41:57.000 And it's weird that they occur all over the world.

01:41:59.000 And it's like, it speaks almost to like.

01:42:02.000 Is that how they carried them and placed them?

01:42:05.000 Is that a part of the construction?

01:42:07.000 Is that something about how they made them that they left these nubs?

01:42:12.000 Like, what are the nubs?

01:42:13.000 No one has any idea what the nubs are.

01:42:15.000 That seems so weird that we have no answer to a feature that occurs over and over again in all this megalithic architecture.

01:42:23.000 All over the world.

01:42:27.000 They keep showing these three.

01:42:29.000 They kind of look like the nubs, but they look way different.

01:42:31.000 Yeah, they're a lot rougher.

01:42:32.000 See those high.

01:42:33.000 See those smaller pieces of stone there in between the large blocks?

01:42:37.000 That's an anti seismic property.

01:42:39.000 That's a technology that they use so that the rocks can shift and move and not crumble.

01:42:46.000 It's ingenious.

01:42:47.000 And like I said, you have two different styles here at Ojanta Itambo.

01:42:50.000 You have the polygonal, and then you have the interlocking rectangular.

01:42:55.000 Those are two different styles in the same site.

01:42:58.000 That's one of the things that makes Ojanta Itambo fascinating.

01:43:00.000 And that rectangular interlocking style comes from Tiwanaku, which is another.

01:43:07.000 Amazing megalithic site in Bolivia.

01:43:09.000 What's interesting is when you combine all these sites all over the world and you have all these questions that are very similar.

01:43:16.000 Like, how?

01:43:17.000 How'd they do this?

01:43:19.000 Why is this stuff the oldest stuff?

01:43:21.000 Why is this stuff the bottom stuff?

01:43:23.000 Why is the base of it the most spectacular construction?

01:43:27.000 And why does it seem like more primitive stuff is on top of that?

01:43:30.000 Because they like the way it looked.

01:43:32.000 Yeah.

01:43:33.000 But it's the same question over and over again.

01:43:36.000 And the reluctance to propose that perhaps.

01:43:40.000 The oldest stuff is more complicated because the civilization was more complex.

01:43:45.000 That's it.

01:43:45.000 That's what they're unwilling to open up that door.

01:43:49.000 But that door is the only door that makes any sense.

01:43:51.000 Not only was the civilization complex, the knowledge was universal.

01:43:55.000 That's a problem.

01:43:56.000 It is a problem.

01:43:57.000 The knowledge was universal.

01:43:58.000 Because that means you're talking about a seafaring, traveling civilization.

01:44:00.000 You're talking about something that's a lot more impressive than cavemen, right?

01:44:06.000 Especially if this guy, this Italian guy, is right in terms of his. 0.99

01:44:11.000 20,000 BC, we're supposed to be just brutes. 1.00

01:44:15.000 Oh, yeah, cavemen.

01:44:16.000 Skin wearing.

01:44:18.000 Yeah, we're wearing animal skins.

01:44:20.000 We have spears. 0.80

01:44:22.000 You're a chimpanzee with a better brain back then.

01:44:26.000 And as I said before, you look at that kind of architecture, and you and I were to encounter the Inca, go back in time in the late 1500s. 0.52

01:44:39.000 The Inca are still around.

01:44:42.000 The builders, the alleged builders of these monuments, I mean, they were building Ojante Tambo, right?

01:44:48.000 When you arrive, they quit building.

01:44:49.000 Why did the Spanish architects not incorporate any of that into their buildings?

01:44:56.000 Why did they not learn the techniques?

01:44:59.000 That's superior technology.

01:44:59.000 That's anti seismic.

01:45:00.000 And the point is illustrated because in Cusco, they built their cathedrals, right?

01:45:06.000 They knocked down the palaces of the Inca and they raised the cathedrals in.

01:45:11.000 In Cusco. 0.93

01:45:12.000 And guess what happens?

01:45:15.000 You get a big earthquake, the cathedrals crumble to the ground, except for their megalithic foundations, which remain unmoved.

01:45:23.000 For their megalithic foundations, which remain unmoved.

01:45:26.000 Earthquake comes, cathedrals fall, the walls of Sacsayhuaman stand.

01:45:31.000 And it's happened various times throughout history.

01:45:34.000 Who, what architect would not have taken advantage of that knowledge had it been available to them during the time of the Inca?

01:45:43.000 Yeah.

01:45:44.000 I mean, like I said, you could build the most magnificent cathedrals on planet Earth, and you could make the Inca build it for you. 0.52

01:45:50.000 And now you can say that the Inca refused, would have refused to pass this knowledge on. 0.51

01:45:56.000 Okay, maybe.

01:45:57.000 I mean, there was a society within the Inca.

01:46:01.000 They were taught by the Grandes Aumaltas, they called them, who were the great teachers of the Inca nobility and the keepers of the secrets and so forth.

01:46:09.000 The Inca didn't even have a written language.

01:46:11.000 They used quipus.

01:46:12.000 Quipus was a system of ropes and knots, of string and knots.

01:46:16.000 They didn't even have a written language.

01:46:18.000 So, absolutely extraordinary.

01:46:21.000 And nobody can give me an adequate explanation as to why such amazing knowledge is just forgotten.

01:46:30.000 I mean, would we forget how to build computers?

01:46:33.000 No.

01:46:34.000 So, why would we just forget how to build megaliths?

01:46:39.000 Why?

01:46:39.000 That's not something you forget.

01:46:41.000 These things don't fall down in earthquakes.

01:46:43.000 That's something you pass on carefully from one generation to the next, unless, like our ancient antecedents tell us, there was a cataclysm that rocked the earth and eliminated the civilizations that were inhabiting the earth.

01:46:58.000 That's, to me, the best explanation.

01:47:02.000 Well, it's certainly the most logical explanation if you weren't attached to a timeline.

01:47:07.000 If you didn't have this timeline that these archaeologists insist upon, then you would say, okay, clearly we know that a cataclysm occurred.

01:47:15.000 Clearly we know the Younger Dryas impact theory is accepted, especially now.

01:47:21.000 So becoming more so over time.

01:47:23.000 More likely, much more likely that there was something going on that we don't totally understand tens of thousands of years ago.

01:47:33.000 Yeah.

01:47:33.000 I mean, I think we would do very well to listen, to take seriously the myths and legends.

01:47:40.000 Well, it's also weird that, like, the Aztecs, like, I used to think that the Aztecs created those temples and those pyramids.

01:47:48.000 And then I found out fairly recently that they never even claimed to have.

01:47:54.000 They say they found them, that these were the birthplace of the gods.

01:47:54.000 No.

01:47:59.000 See, that's what I was going to say about Machu Picchu.

01:48:02.000 So, you know what the name of Machu Picchu is?

01:48:04.000 Not Machu Picchu.

01:48:04.000 In Quechua, it's Ijampu.

01:48:05.000 And Ijampu means the abode of the gods or the dwelling of the gods.

01:48:10.000 This is how they viewed the megaliths.

01:48:13.000 I mean, this is how, if we were primitive people coming upon these megalithic structures, what would we think?

01:48:18.000 The gods must have done this.

01:48:20.000 The gods lived here.

01:48:21.000 And so then we would rebuild.

01:48:22.000 We would reinhabit the habitation of the gods.

01:48:25.000 Yeah, why would you live anywhere else if you could live there?

01:48:27.000 And it would be the nobility.

01:48:27.000 Right.

01:48:29.000 The noblest architecture you've ever imagined.

01:48:30.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:48:31.000 Why would you let some idiots take it over? 1.00

01:48:34.000 You wouldn't. 1.00

01:48:35.000 Give me that.

01:48:35.000 That's mine.

01:48:36.000 Yeah, of course.

01:48:36.000 You wouldn't.

01:48:37.000 You know, there's also the weirdness of Peru, like the Nazca lines. 1.00

01:48:41.000 Like, what the hell is all that about? 1.00

01:48:44.000 I don't know.

01:48:45.000 I don't know.

01:48:46.000 That's a great mystery.

01:48:47.000 There's a lot of weirdness to Peru.

01:48:49.000 There's a lot of weirdness in Peru.

01:48:50.000 And how about those ancient tapestries that show those three fingered, three toed, big headed people with big eyes?

01:48:58.000 And it's ubiquitous.

01:48:59.000 And these are a thousand years old.

01:49:02.000 Then you have the Paracas culture, those massive. 0.99

01:49:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:49:05.000 Elongated skulls. 0.97

01:49:07.000 Right.

01:49:08.000 In the Prakis culture, by the way, you know, people see these elongated skulls online.

01:49:12.000 I've been in Prakis a lot, I've done a lot of research down there on the Prakis culture and other things.

01:49:18.000 Other things.

01:49:20.000 Made some interesting discoveries, by the way, with our drone, with our GPR unit.

01:49:24.000 But you see these images online, you think that the Paracas people, their skulls are so large and elongated, you think these must have been big people, right?

01:49:33.000 That's what it looks like.

01:49:34.000 No.

01:49:35.000 They were tiny.

01:49:36.000 They were really little.

01:49:38.000 They were bizarre.

01:49:42.000 The morphology of their body was different than ours.

01:49:45.000 Tiny with big heads?

01:49:47.000 Yes. 1.00

01:49:48.000 The Paracas people were very small, and they had a proclivity to live in. 0.96

01:49:54.000 They had subterranean dwellings and their eye sockets of some of these elongated skulls. 0.99

01:49:58.000 The eye sockets are like 25% larger, the orbital socket.

01:50:02.000 So they have big eyes, elongated skull, very diminutive people, in some cases living underground.

01:50:08.000 I've heard people have theories about Neanderthals that Neanderthals with larger eye sockets as well might have been able to see at night, like the way deer can and the way other animals that are nocturnal can see at night, that they have a different kind of.

01:50:27.000 Eye structure.

01:50:28.000 Obviously, we don't know what the eye structure was, but if you have a significantly larger eye socket, a significantly larger eyeball, we know that nocturnal vision exists in cats and exists in a bunch of different animals, but the idea of it existing in primates, we kind of dismiss that.

01:50:49.000 Yeah, I mean, a bigger eye gathers more light.

01:50:51.000 So it's a nocturnal feature.

01:50:54.000 Not only that, we have no idea what the soft tissue structure of their eyes was like.

01:50:57.000 No.

01:50:58.000 No.

01:50:59.000 Now, granted, for all the skeptics out there, yes, many of the elongated skulls in Peru and other places around the world are the result of cranial deformation.

01:51:08.000 So, yes, they were deforming their skulls with headboarding, cradle headboarding, and binding and so forth.

01:51:15.000 There's evidence of that, and you can see the evidence when you're there if you know what you're looking for on the skulls.

01:51:20.000 But I don't believe that that explains all of the elongated skulls, not just in other parts of the world, but especially in Peru.

01:51:28.000 There are some examples of elongated skulls that I mean.

01:51:34.000 Look like a genetic alteration, is the best way I can say it.

01:51:43.000 So there's a, and you can pull this up, Jamie, if you can find it.

01:51:47.000 There's a mummy.

01:51:49.000 I'm trying to think of the name of the museum where it's housed.

01:51:54.000 I think it's the San Marcos Museum in Lima.

01:51:58.000 There's a mummy, the first mummy that was discovered by Julio Tejo.

01:52:02.000 Julio Tejo, or one of the first, if not the first, Julio Tejo was the eminent archaeologist that discovered the Prakis culture.

01:52:09.000 And he's like their greatest archaeologist in Peru, he was a phenomenal archaeologist.

01:52:13.000 And he discovered all kinds of things about the Prakis culture.

01:52:17.000 And he dug up this mummy.

01:52:20.000 And it is the most bizarre mummy I've ever seen in my life.

01:52:24.000 It has a massive elongated skull.

01:52:27.000 Massive.

01:52:28.000 We showed a few of those the other day when Cassie Coppersmith was on.

01:52:32.000 We showed a few of these ones that don't have the sagittal suture.

01:52:35.000 Yeah.

01:52:36.000 They're weird.

01:52:37.000 Like, just the actual structure of the skull is different.

01:52:40.000 But this one has the skin on it, except for part of the face is gone.

01:52:44.000 But it's got the skin on it.

01:52:45.000 So you can actually see what this skull looked like with the skin on it.

01:52:49.000 And then the morphology of the body is just weird.

01:52:52.000 I mean, I think it's in the Museum of San Marcos in Lima.

01:52:59.000 So these are.

01:53:01.000 And how tall were these things?

01:53:02.000 Oh, they were small.

01:53:03.000 I mean, we're talking four foot tall.

01:53:05.000 Wow.

01:53:06.000 And these guys were little.

01:53:07.000 Giant heads and four feet tall.

01:53:08.000 Yeah, they're little.

01:53:09.000 Everyone thinks they were big.

01:53:10.000 No, no, no.

01:53:11.000 They were little, some of them.

01:53:12.000 I mean, I think they were four and a half, maybe average, four to four and a half feet tall, somewhere in there.

01:53:17.000 They were very small, maybe from four to five feet tall.

01:53:20.000 I don't remember.

01:53:21.000 But they're significantly, they're very small.

01:53:23.000 They're diminutive people.

01:53:24.000 You have to tell me which one it is.

01:53:25.000 I don't know.

01:53:27.000 I've never seen one with skin on it.

01:53:29.000 That's not really popping in.

01:53:30.000 That one's nuts.

01:53:30.000 There.

01:53:31.000 The one that Brian Forster is looking at.

01:53:33.000 Right here?

01:53:33.000 Right there, yeah.

01:53:35.000 That right there is just absolutely bizarre.

01:53:39.000 When you take a look at the, look at how tall that forehead is on that.

01:53:42.000 There's skin on there.

01:53:44.000 Very well preserved.

01:53:45.000 And if you look around the back, you can't see it here in this image, but if you look around the back, Side of it.

01:53:50.000 The neck is very bizarre.

01:53:51.000 It's sort of a curved.

01:53:53.000 That is so weird.

01:53:55.000 I mean, imagine coming upon somebody here in Austin that has a skull like that.

01:54:02.000 There might be a few of them here.

01:54:04.000 Right.

01:54:07.000 I mean, that does not look like cranial deformation.

01:54:11.000 That looks like a totally different kind of head.

01:54:12.000 It looks like a genetic anomaly.

01:54:17.000 What is that one in the middle?

01:54:19.000 Yeah.

01:54:20.000 What is that one?

01:54:21.000 Jeez.

01:54:22.000 Yeah, there's all kinds of very interesting specimens like that.

01:54:25.000 And as you said, Peru's a very, very strange place.

01:54:27.000 The one on the far left is the craziest one to me. 1.00

01:54:31.000 It's a Chongo skull. 0.96

01:54:32.000 That one was discovered at the Chongo's necropolis. 0.99

01:54:35.000 Like, what the hell is that? 0.99

01:54:36.000 I mean, just the volume of the brain is so much larger than a human being's.

01:54:40.000 That picture might be elongated.

01:54:42.000 You know, someone might have altered that picture.

01:54:44.000 It is very impressive.

01:54:45.000 That one might be elongated.

01:54:48.000 Right, that's more like it.

01:54:48.000 The picture, I mean.

01:54:50.000 But the skull.

01:54:53.000 These skulls, many of these skulls, that's in the Museum of Ica and the city of Ica in Peru.

01:54:58.000 That's absolutely insane.

01:54:59.000 These skulls, the Chongos skull was taken from the Chongos necropolis.

01:55:03.000 If you go over to the Chongos necropolis today, which is out in the desert, you see these things sticking out of the ground.

01:55:07.000 And they got red hair, auburn hair.

01:55:10.000 And we were over there with our crew, and there's a pyramid there, but it's an adobe pyramid.

01:55:19.000 And it's called the Chongos pyramid.

01:55:24.000 And Nobody really goes to this area because it's sort of off the beaten path.

01:55:28.000 It's not well known.

01:55:31.000 We were actually working in an area further down the road because at the time we were looking for treasure.

01:55:38.000 We were filming a TV show looking for treasure.

01:55:44.000 And there was this pond that has a very interesting UFO story attached to it further up the road.

01:55:50.000 And so we were working up there.

01:55:52.000 But every day when we drive by the pyramid, the Chongos pyramid, and It's an adobe pyramid, so it's not super impressive.

01:56:00.000 It's made of large adobe blocks.

01:56:02.000 But it was a large urban center.

01:56:04.000 Some people think it was the capital of the Paracus culture.

01:56:07.000 Very large urban center. 0.93

01:56:09.000 And it was a necropolis.

01:56:10.000 There's tons of remains.

01:56:13.000 And the elongated skull, some of these Paracus people, the nobility for sure, they were buried in burial bundles.

01:56:22.000 And they're in the fetal position. 0.91

01:56:24.000 And these burial bundles are usually layers of fabric.

01:56:29.000 And there's various items in there.

01:56:31.000 And they're just under the surface of the sand.

01:56:33.000 They're right there. 0.98

01:56:34.000 And you get a lot of grave robbers, huaqueros, who go in there and steal all kinds of artifacts and stuff. 0.94

01:56:40.000 But we're driving by.

01:56:42.000 I looked at the pyramid and I thought, I had this intuition.

01:56:48.000 There's a tunnel under that pyramid, there's a tunnel system under that pyramid.

01:56:53.000 I don't know why, I just had this intuition.

01:56:54.000 So we decided to go over there one day and fly our GPR drone around the pyramid.

01:57:02.000 And we did an extensive run around that pyramid.

01:57:07.000 We did like a cross configuration with the drone to make sure that we get a good reading.

01:57:11.000 And we found two massive artificial tunnels under the pyramid that intersect 100 feet below that pyramid.

01:57:18.000 You could drive a semi truck through them.

01:57:20.000 We don't know how far they go, but they go.

01:57:22.000 And we actually spent some time trying to find a way into them.

01:57:25.000 We couldn't, we ran out of time.

01:57:28.000 But it's remarkable because Julio Tejo remarks in his writing about the Paracas culture that the Paracas people seem to have an affinity.

01:57:41.000 For living under the ground, they had subterranean dwellings.

01:57:46.000 And I've explored some of these subterranean dwellings out in the Prakas Reserve.

01:57:51.000 And they're really cool because you'll see these hills.

01:57:58.000 They look like longhouses that are buried in the ground.

01:58:01.000 So you see this elongated hill.

01:58:04.000 And really, what it is, is it's whale bones.

01:58:07.000 They use the vertebrae of a whale.

01:58:10.000 So you got whale bones.

01:58:11.000 And then they would pack on top all kinds of, they would pack on earth.

01:58:14.000 But then they would also add in organic material, and it would create like an insulating effect and heat the interior.

01:58:22.000 But they were subterranean, so what you see are the roofs of the dwellings, and then they went down into the ground, and there were tunnels, and there was all kinds of stuff.

01:58:30.000 This is where these weird people with the elongated skulls were living.

01:58:34.000 It's absolutely bizarre.

01:58:37.000 How old are these mummies?

01:58:39.000 I think the Prakis culture, oh, geez, it goes back maybe to.

01:58:46.000 I don't remember, 200 BC or something like that.

01:58:48.000 I can't remember, maybe not that far back.

01:58:50.000 I really don't remember.

01:58:52.000 That can't be accurate.

01:58:53.000 I think it goes back to definitely the first century AD.

01:58:58.000 I don't remember off the top of my head how the Prakis got there.

01:59:00.000 What happened? 1.00

01:59:01.000 Where'd those people go?

01:59:03.000 I mean, I think that the prevailing theory is that they became the Nazca people, that they didn't go anywhere, that essentially the Nazca people were the Prakis people.

01:59:03.000 That's the question.

01:59:15.000 Like they interbred? 0.63

01:59:16.000 No, that the culture just sort of migrated and became the Nazca people.

01:59:21.000 So what happened to those genetic features?

01:59:22.000 Well, there are some among the Nazca, but not as much as among the Paracas.

01:59:26.000 Others think that the Paracas, they just disappeared.

01:59:30.000 Like they were either exterminated or there's multiple theories.

01:59:34.000 But there's no question that they were bizarre.

01:59:37.000 Bizarre.

01:59:37.000 And of course, And there's physical evidence of this.

01:59:42.000 Like we're talking about the mummies before, excuse me, the giants before.

01:59:45.000 It's just stories.

01:59:48.000 This is actual physical evidence.

01:59:50.000 You mean the elongated skulls?

01:59:51.000 Yes.

01:59:51.000 Oh, yeah, they're everywhere down there.

01:59:53.000 Now, granted, as I said before, many of them are the result of cranial deformation. 1.00

01:59:58.000 But what about these motherfuckers? 1.00

02:00:00.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:00:01.000 They're not all elongated.

02:00:01.000 I mean, yeah, how do you elongate that?

02:00:03.000 You get a balloon in someone's head?

02:00:04.000 I've seen some really big heart shaped heads.

02:00:06.000 That is so much.

02:00:07.000 Imagine meeting that guy.

02:00:09.000 They're small compared to some ones I've seen.

02:00:12.000 Some of the ones I've seen look like a heart, really big.

02:00:15.000 That's so much.

02:00:17.000 Actually, that particular skull was exceptionally large.

02:00:19.000 The one I saw that looked like a heart.

02:00:21.000 Yeah, so just keep in mind.

02:00:24.000 Yes, cranial deformation is what, Jamie?

02:00:26.000 It says that these two on the front left row are from the billow bait.

02:00:29.000 And now I don't know what the hell that means.

02:00:33.000 Billow bait?

02:00:33.000 Yeah, that's what the picture says.

02:00:36.000 What does that mean?

02:00:36.000 I don't know.

02:00:37.000 Do you know what that means?

02:00:37.000 No.

02:00:37.000 I have no idea.

02:00:39.000 These girls from the front are from the billow bait.

02:00:40.000 Bro. 0.99

02:00:40.000 They are billow bait. 0.99

02:00:43.000 I don't know.

02:00:44.000 Look at that one on the left in the middle. 0.91

02:00:46.000 Those are nuts.

02:00:47.000 That is just imagine meeting that cat.

02:00:50.000 And here's the other question the size of his eyes.

02:00:53.000 Here's the other question the why bind the head?

02:00:56.000 Right.

02:00:56.000 And this is all over, as you know, all over the world.

02:01:00.000 They do it in Africa. 0.99

02:01:01.000 They do it all.

02:01:01.000 Do it all.

02:01:02.000 Native Americans, the flathead tribe up in Montana, they're called the flathead because they would cradle board their young and they'd get these flat, they would have these very distinct skulls. 1.00

02:01:13.000 So, why? 0.99

02:01:17.000 What are these cultures doing? 0.93

02:01:18.000 They're emulating something. 0.94

02:01:20.000 Who or what are they emulating?

02:01:22.000 That's the question.

02:01:23.000 And of course, you have in ancient Egypt, you have figures with elongated skulls like Nephartite and her daughters who are depicted with very pronounced elongated skulls.

02:01:34.000 Now, is that Is that just the result of cradle headboarding? 0.90

02:01:38.000 Probably.

02:01:39.000 I don't know.

02:01:40.000 But why do that?

02:01:41.000 Well, the problem is some of these skulls have actual larger volume than a human skull.

02:01:45.000 That's true.

02:01:46.000 Some of them do.

02:01:47.000 That's where it gets really weird.

02:01:48.000 That's true.

02:01:49.000 So if you have 20%, 30%, even 40% more volume, which is like, okay.

02:01:55.000 40% more brain is nuts.

02:01:57.000 What does that mean? 0.92

02:01:59.000 There's a slight explanation for what we were just looking up.

02:02:01.000 And that was what you said.

02:02:02.000 What is the.

02:02:04.000 Something to do with male and female.

02:02:06.000 So it says biobate, that thing you were talking about. 0.83

02:02:11.000 Tubular erect was the most common among both sexes.

02:02:13.000 Biobate skulls are observed at a much higher rate in female skulls.

02:02:18.000 This association with sex has evidence in some Paraka ceramics where men and women are depicted with distinctly tubular erect or biobate heads, respectively.

02:02:27.000 And then it even goes into this.

02:02:29.000 So the biobate is then the heart shaped. 0.99

02:02:30.000 Fucking weird. 0.99

02:02:31.000 It is weird. 0.99

02:02:33.000 It is extremely weird.

02:02:34.000 And then, of course, you have those.

02:02:35.000 You know, the alleged alien mummies down there.

02:02:37.000 Yeah, what do you think about those?

02:02:38.000 Because there's a lot of people now that are saying that those are elaborate hoaxes.

02:02:41.000 I went down to Peru.

02:02:42.000 I was invited to go down there by Dr. Roger Zuniga or Professor Roger Zuniga to go down and look at the specimens that they have at the Ica Museum.

02:02:53.000 They have four specimens at the Ica Museum.

02:02:55.000 The most impressive specimen that they have there is called Maria.

02:02:58.000 And Maria's in the fetal position.

02:03:00.000 She's one of the larger mummies.

02:03:02.000 Then they have a few other ones.

02:03:05.000 They have two of the small ones, the ones that Jaime Massan.

02:03:08.000 Famously revealed over there in Mexico during that thing that he did over there, that press thing.

02:03:15.000 And then you have one that's called Huahuita, which seems to be like some kind of a combination of different things.

02:03:22.000 And so I went down there to the university and walked up to these things.

02:03:30.000 And at first, I have to say, my first impression of Maria, I didn't really care about the little ones.

02:03:36.000 I never believed that the little ones were ever.

02:03:38.000 The little ones look squirrely.

02:03:39.000 Yeah, I never believed that they were living organic beings.

02:03:41.000 They're very rigid.

02:03:42.000 Yeah, they're very rigid.

02:03:43.000 I don't think that their morphology really could have worked in the real world.

02:03:48.000 But like Monstarot, like that one?

02:03:48.000 Monstarot and Maria and a bunch of them.

02:03:53.000 Those are very compelling when you're standing next to them looking at them.

02:03:58.000 So I looked at the mummies and then I interviewed Roger Zuniga.

02:03:58.000 They were compelling.

02:04:05.000 And he's very, very convinced that they're 100% real.

02:04:09.000 Sincerely.

02:04:10.000 I mean, I like Professor Zuniga.

02:04:13.000 And he really is convinced.

02:04:17.000 I don't think he's not trying to perpetrate some kind of a hoax.

02:04:20.000 Neither is anybody at the University of Ica.

02:04:22.000 There's a good faith effort going on there to try and investigate this and continually do testing.

02:04:27.000 And it's an open field.

02:04:30.000 Have they done genetic testing?

02:04:31.000 Yeah, they've done all kinds of testing.

02:04:33.000 So what do they find?

02:04:34.000 Here's the problem there's been a lot of testing done, but I don't think the interpretation of the data has been competent.

02:04:40.000 And so initially, I was pretty impressed.

02:04:46.000 I thought it was more likely than not, I even said this on the Michael Knowles show, that it was more likely than not, in my mind, that the larger mummies like Maria were real.

02:04:55.000 But I've since reversed that position.

02:04:56.000 Since reversed that position, I think it's more likely than not that all of them are a hoax.

02:05:02.000 That's my personal opinion.

02:05:04.000 And this is a hot topic, you know, like on X and stuff.

02:05:08.000 There's a lot of people who are absolutely, sincerely convinced that these things are real.

02:05:12.000 The problem is that this entire thing started with a grave robber, a very shady individual.

02:05:22.000 And the very first mummies that were brought forward were hoaxes, were fake.

02:05:26.000 That's how it started.

02:05:29.000 And this is a whole saga we don't have to get into.

02:05:32.000 But it started with fakes.

02:05:34.000 It started with a hoax.

02:05:37.000 And then allegedly they started to produce the real ones.

02:05:42.000 And I just have a hard time believing that this isn't an elaborate hoax.

02:05:48.000 Now, I've talked to some of the individuals who've done some of the scientific work on these.

02:05:54.000 They don't want me to mention their names or anything.

02:05:58.000 They're trying to just sort of stay neutral.

02:06:00.000 They don't want the press.

02:06:02.000 And they also doubt that they're real.

02:06:07.000 They think they're really, really elaborate hoaxes.

02:06:12.000 And I know that a lot of money has exchanged hands in regard to these things.

02:06:16.000 Maria was up for sale for a million dollars at one point.

02:06:20.000 And I mean, if you're approving grave robber, a million dollars is like a billion dollars.

02:06:25.000 I mean, so that's to me, that's.

02:06:28.000 Can we see what the Maria one looks like? 0.81

02:06:31.000 That's not.

02:06:33.000 That casts a lot of shade on the whole thing for me.

02:06:35.000 Now, I can't say scientifically the DNA data, this, that, the other, but there's a lot of debate going back and forth on this thing.

02:06:43.000 Well, I think one of the problems is anatomists, experts in anatomy, have looked at the structure of the feet and the hands, and it doesn't seem to jive with what they understand about the structure of feet.

02:06:56.000 That's true.

02:06:56.000 That the bones are not in the proper position, they're not the proper size, it doesn't look like It makes sense.

02:07:05.000 But damn, that's amazing. 0.98

02:07:06.000 That's Maria. 0.99

02:07:07.000 Like, here's the thing if it is a hoax, like, what an amazing job they did.

02:07:11.000 Yeah, maybe the greatest hoax ever perpetrated in the history of archaeology.

02:07:15.000 Like, who did it?

02:07:17.000 Like, what talent this person has?

02:07:20.000 There's a new note because this website was tridactyls.org.

02:07:24.000 It got updated.

02:07:25.000 There's a little note that popped up that says they have ongoing research that just got updated.

02:07:29.000 This is a great website.

02:07:31.000 What is the ongoing research?

02:07:32.000 Or it might be a male.

02:07:34.000 Maria might be Mario.

02:07:36.000 Yeah, Mario.

02:07:36.000 They call him Mario now.

02:07:37.000 It's a dude.

02:07:38.000 Yeah, maybe he's non binary.

02:07:40.000 A bunch more data down here.

02:07:41.000 I don't know what all this stuff is.

02:07:43.000 Interesting.

02:07:44.000 A bunch more data.

02:07:45.000 That's a great resource there.

02:07:48.000 So it's tridactyls.org.

02:07:50.000 Go to the images of it again.

02:07:53.000 Go down, like right there.

02:07:55.000 So this.

02:07:58.000 Okay, this is a 3D scan.

02:08:00.000 Yeah, these are all scans.

02:08:00.000 These are videos of the scans.

02:08:03.000 Fucking weird, man. 0.99

02:08:05.000 Look at the length also of the fingers and the toes. 0.99

02:08:11.000 But you think that's a hoax?

02:08:12.000 Yeah, people say it wouldn't work.

02:08:13.000 You know, I. What'd you say, Jamie?

02:08:16.000 People said that you can't grab stuff.

02:08:18.000 There's pictures down here they have of people trying to grab stuff with.

02:08:24.000 I might have been looking at a different.

02:08:27.000 Yeah, I was looking at this.

02:08:29.000 These are the fingers that you couldn't bend.

02:08:31.000 They wouldn't bend or something like that.

02:08:33.000 Like this person trying to grab stuff with.

02:08:33.000 It's hard to.

02:08:36.000 Long fingers without bendable appendages, I guess.

02:08:40.000 Well, we're assuming that they had to grab things.

02:08:43.000 Well, what would you have fingers for?

02:08:45.000 Well, maybe they put them on a spaceship.

02:08:48.000 That's how they pilot it.

02:08:50.000 Maybe they've gone past the idea of picking things up.

02:08:52.000 Maybe they lift things with their mind.

02:08:55.000 Maybe that's how they moved the blocks into place.

02:08:58.000 I don't know.

02:08:58.000 I'm more convinced than that that they're a hoax.

02:09:00.000 I can't say definitively.

02:09:02.000 Yeah, I would lean in that direction because I want them to be real.

02:09:06.000 But also, whoever did hoax them, like Monsterod, whoever hoaxed that, what an amazing job you guys did.

02:09:13.000 And also, there's some of them that have weird implants in their heads.

02:09:15.000 They have metal implants.

02:09:17.000 A couple of them have them in the hand, others have them in the forehead.

02:09:20.000 Very weird stuff.

02:09:20.000 Some of them have fetuses, apparently.

02:09:22.000 Although there's some dispute about that.

02:09:24.000 They say the fetuses look like.

02:09:25.000 You know, that they look the same as the adults, which would be remarkable if true.

02:09:29.000 But that's disputed.

02:09:30.000 Everything's disputed.

02:09:31.000 Right.

02:09:32.000 There's, I mean, there's a factional battle here between the believers and the naysayers.

02:09:40.000 And they're both looking at the same data, interpreting it differently.

02:09:40.000 Right.

02:09:44.000 So that's why I just sort of stand back and say, I don't know.

02:09:47.000 I mean, I can tell you how it started.

02:09:49.000 It started with grave robbers, very seedy people.

02:09:54.000 And it started, the initial ones were not real.

02:09:58.000 I know that because I know the individuals who were involved in that whole thing.

02:10:03.000 So.

02:10:04.000 Just that alone.

02:10:06.000 Just that alone.

02:10:06.000 Yeah.

02:10:07.000 But then how did they make the skin?

02:10:09.000 How did they cover it?

02:10:10.000 How did they make it look like that?

02:10:12.000 They're really good.

02:10:13.000 I mean, you know, if you were selling these things for hundreds of thousands, if you were making $100,000 on just $100,000 on one of these mummies and you're a poor grave robber, you would do anything.

02:10:24.000 Take whatever time it took to produce one of these to sell it to make $100,000.

02:10:29.000 Yeah.

02:10:30.000 But haven't they aged them and they're really old?

02:10:34.000 They harvest the pieces from the graves.

02:10:38.000 Okay. 1.00

02:10:39.000 From the Nasca Bracca graves. 1.00

02:10:41.000 So they construct this somehow from really old skeletons, pieced it together. 0.99

02:10:46.000 That's the allegation, and also from old llamas and stuff like that.

02:10:50.000 Yeah.

02:10:51.000 One of the other weird things about these elongated heads is that they have where it connects to the spine is in a different position than a human skull.

02:11:00.000 Yes.

02:11:00.000 There is some indication of that.

02:11:03.000 That's why I was pointing out on that.

02:11:05.000 The one with the skin on it, there is a very interesting morphology with it, with it, of the neck where it connects into the spinal cord.

02:11:13.000 Now, I'm not an expert on anatomy.

02:11:16.000 I don't know.

02:11:16.000 All I can look at it and say is, that's freaking weird.

02:11:18.000 I mean, really, really weird.

02:11:20.000 It is weird.

02:11:20.000 And all I, and, and, I mean, I always just remind people, just, you can argue about all the dad all day long, but if one of those people walked into this room right now, right, it wouldn't just be a little weird.

02:11:33.000 Right.

02:11:33.000 It would be, it would be utterly bizarre.

02:11:36.000 Yeah.

02:11:38.000 An actual real human mummy or whatever it is, mummy, if that was alive today, it would freak you out.

02:11:44.000 Yeah, larger orbital sockets, very small, extremely elongated head.

02:11:49.000 Yeah, it would freak you out.

02:11:51.000 It just makes you wonder what was the world like back then?

02:11:57.000 What were these people like?

02:11:59.000 Was there a separate branch of the human species?

02:12:02.000 I don't know.

02:12:03.000 I think I'm pretty sure now I'm recalling the date, 2,500 BC, somewhere around there is where the Procus culture goes back to.

02:12:10.000 And then it.

02:12:11.000 I think it existed until 700 AD.

02:12:13.000 I'm not sure that those numbers are accurate, but that's what I remember.

02:12:18.000 Yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff in Peru.

02:12:22.000 Well, a lot of weird stuff in just ancient history in particular.

02:12:25.000 What do you make of things like Zeptepi and the Sumerian Kings List, where you go back in time and you have these incredible ages of some of these rulers that ruled for thousands of years?

02:12:41.000 Well, what's really interesting is that if you overlay.

02:12:44.000 The Sumerian kings list with the list of patriarchs, pre flood patriarchs in Genesis 5.

02:12:50.000 It's like a one to one match.

02:12:52.000 So I'm not convinced that I think that the Sumerian kings list is the ages is mythological.

02:13:03.000 I don't think that they were ruling for thousands and thousands of years.

02:13:10.000 Like I said, I see this very interesting overlay over the Genesis 6 genealogy.

02:13:14.000 These are the patriarchs from Adam to Noah.

02:13:17.000 And specifically, I mean, these are the patriarchs who lived before the flood.

02:13:20.000 The flood came in the time of Noah.

02:13:24.000 You know, there's a lot of debate right now, especially online, and I think you've had people here on your show as well, that talk about the Sumerian story being the oldest story and being sort of the original story of the flood and of the antediluvian world.

02:13:43.000 But I actually have a different view of that.

02:13:46.000 I think actually the oldest story is the story of Enoch, it's the Enochian story.

02:13:52.000 I think that's the original story.

02:13:55.000 And Maybe some of this strangeness, maybe some of the bizarre things that we see and the stories of the flood and of the giants and all of that, maybe something like the book of Enoch is actually an accurate account of affairs, of things that happened in the Antediluvian world.

02:14:13.000 And certainly the writers of the biblical narrative believe that.

02:14:16.000 I mean, the writer of Genesis, and then in the New Testament, you have references to what I call the Enochian tale.

02:14:23.000 And so when you think about the Antediluvian world, the cataclysm, That destroyed it seemingly overnight, the great civilizations that existed back then.

02:14:40.000 You see a series of parallels in all the stories, all the ancient stories, whether it be the Sumerians, whether it be the ancient Egyptians, the Hebrews, the Greeks, the Romans. 0.86

02:14:57.000 There are parallels in certain details.

02:15:00.000 Great civilizations inhabited the earth, or at least a great civilization.

02:15:03.000 That doesn't necessarily mean that they had the kind of technology that we have today.

02:15:09.000 I think that's a mistake that some people make when they're thinking about the antediluvian world and a lost civilization.

02:15:14.000 They think, well, that means that there were skyscrapers and automobiles and aircraft and things like that.

02:15:20.000 That's not necessarily what it means.

02:15:23.000 And so I think it's very, very interesting that you have all of these parallels a cataclysm, giants.

02:15:32.000 You have A fratricidal war that's discussed, for example, in the Vedas and some of the ancient Indian origin stories.

02:15:43.000 And another component that you find everywhere is this idea that the gods descended to the earth, commingled with the human species, progenerated a race of demigods, in many accounts giants, who then governed the earth.

02:15:59.000 And depending on what version of the story you're reading, they were either good guys or bad guys.

02:16:06.000 Leading up to the cataclysm that destroyed everything, the biblical account, the Great Flood, and other accounts record various kinds of cataclysm all over the world.

02:16:17.000 So the question is, I think, an intriguing question is, is it true?

02:16:24.000 I mean, are these basic constituents of these stories true?

02:16:32.000 And I happen to believe that.

02:16:37.000 The book of Enoch is the beginning of the book of Enoch, the oldest portion of the book of Enoch, called the Book of the Watchers, is the earliest account of the antediluvian world.

02:16:50.000 And I don't mean necessarily the book of Enoch that we have today.

02:16:53.000 I mean the tradition of Enoch.

02:16:56.000 Was there a manuscript that Enoch wrote himself?

02:16:58.000 Enoch was the seventh from Adam.

02:17:00.000 So he's one of those individuals on the Sumerian kings list.

02:17:04.000 I believe he corresponds to Endemaranki.

02:17:07.000 I can't remember how to pronounce the name, the Sumerian name.

02:17:11.000 But again, you have this overlay with the pre flood patriarchs.

02:17:14.000 You have all of these details that correspond. 0.66

02:17:18.000 Now we have evidence of cataclysm.

02:17:19.000 We're finding evidence of cataclysm, right? 0.99

02:17:21.000 We talked about the Younger Drys.

02:17:23.000 Impact hypothesis.

02:17:25.000 So, are some of the other details true as well?

02:17:28.000 Were there giants?

02:17:31.000 Were there beings who descended to the earth in the antediluvian world? 0.92

02:17:37.000 Did they copulate with human women? 0.94

02:17:39.000 I mean, that's essentially the story of Enoch. 0.96

02:17:43.000 Enoch begins with, this is first Enoch.

02:17:49.000 Enoch begins with a company of 200 watchers, these beings that are designated as watchers.

02:17:55.000 And they are They're heavenly beings.

02:17:58.000 And the watcher designation is not exclusively extra biblical.

02:18:01.000 You find it in the book of Daniel, in a very interesting scene in which holy watchers are judging Nebuchadnezzar, the Babylonian king.

02:18:12.000 And they sentence him to a period of time of madness where he's given the mind of a beast and he's eating grass.

02:18:18.000 And this is a judgment from the watchers.

02:18:21.000 He's eating grass like an animal.

02:18:23.000 And his hair grows long and he's basically like a beast out in the field. 0.81

02:18:27.000 The haughty king of Babylon, humbled.

02:18:30.000 In that way.

02:18:31.000 And so the Watcher designation is, you find it in Daniel, but then in the book of Enoch, it's much more specific.

02:18:37.000 These were 200 of these Watchers.

02:18:39.000 These are non human celestial entities.

02:18:43.000 You could describe them as extraterrestrial entities. 0.84

02:18:47.000 And they begin to lust after the daughters of men.

02:18:56.000 And they desire to progenerate families, they want to have families.

02:19:01.000 Do you think that this is a simplification of genetic engineering and that this depiction of it is just, you know, like the game of telephone?

02:19:11.000 You're telling the old story through oral tradition for a long period of time as it gets relayed over time post flood.

02:19:21.000 So you get this sort of distorted version of what the actual event was.

02:19:26.000 I think it's possible there was genetic engineering involved.

02:19:29.000 Because we certainly look different than everything else on the planet.

02:19:34.000 The book of Enoch, at least the Hebrew account, both in the book of Genesis, because there's a verse, Genesis 6, that says, Now it came to pass that when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful, and they took wives of all whom they chose.

02:19:53.000 There were giants or Nephilim in the earth in those days, and also afterward when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and they bore children to them.

02:20:00.000 These were the mighty men of old, the men of renown.

02:20:03.000 That's the Reference to the origin of giants and Nephilim in the book of Genesis.

02:20:10.000 And so in the Bible, you have these angelic beings, the sons of God, who are lusting.

02:20:16.000 They're looking down at the daughters of men.

02:20:18.000 They see that they're beautiful.

02:20:20.000 The book of Enoch is even more explicit.

02:20:22.000 The book of Enoch says that the angels of heaven, the watchers, lusted after the daughters of men and they desired to progenerate families.

02:20:35.000 They descended to the earth on the summit of Mount Hermon and they bound themselves by a pact of mutual imprecations.

02:20:42.000 In other words, we're all in this together.

02:20:43.000 They knew what they were about to do was going to be a very grave sin, so they bind themselves with an oath.

02:20:49.000 That's why Mount Hermon has been known since time immemorial as the Mountain of Oath.

02:20:54.000 Then they descended into the plains and they began to choose wives from among the daughters of men with whom to copulate. 0.54

02:21:01.000 But first, these were maidens that they intended to marry.

02:21:05.000 And there was a transaction that happened because, in exchange for the maidens' hands in marriage, their fathers were given technology.

02:21:18.000 So the watchers taught.

02:21:20.000 Men, the knowledge that they were already striving to learn.

02:21:23.000 So there's, and that's implied in the text.

02:21:26.000 It's not explicit, but it's implied because the Watchers give technology and they give knowledge, which results in technology, and they get in exchange the maidens that they desire to marry. 0.95

02:21:36.000 And then they copulate with them, they have sexual intercourse with them. 0.97

02:21:40.000 The women conceive and give birth to giants. 1.00

02:21:42.000 And then these giants begin to terrorize the earth.

02:21:46.000 They're cannibalistic, they begin to devour men.

02:21:49.000 So Maybe a hybrid, sort of like a liger.

02:21:53.000 You know how a liger is a combination of a tiger and a lion?

02:21:57.000 It's much larger.

02:21:59.000 But they can't reproduce.

02:21:59.000 Yeah.

02:22:00.000 Right.

02:22:01.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:22:02.000 So the result is you have these watchers, yeah, their DNA mixed with the DNA of human women produces giants. 0.97

02:22:10.000 And, you know, this story, by the way, is attested in the Dead Sea Scrolls, not just in the Bible, not just in the book of Enoch. 0.97

02:22:15.000 The book of Enoch, of course, fragments of it were discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls.

02:22:19.000 But you find this story in, for example, you find it in.

02:22:24.000 The Book of Giants, the Book of Jubilees, the Genesis Apocryphon, and other texts as well.

02:22:31.000 And so this story, as bizarre as it is, is foundational to Hebrew cosmology.

02:22:38.000 This is what the ancient Hebrews believed literally happened.

02:22:42.000 In their minds, this was a historical event.

02:22:44.000 You go back in time, you go into the Antediluvian world, the world before the flood.

02:22:47.000 What do they envision? 0.52

02:22:48.000 They envision the Watchers, these gods living among men, copulating with human women.

02:22:55.000 Giants who were cannibalistic.

02:22:59.000 And then God decides to intervene because the giants are, it's a very bad scene on planet Earth and people begin to cry out, petition heaven.

02:23:09.000 God decides to intervene, according to Enoch.

02:23:12.000 And he dispatches some angels.

02:23:15.000 And one of the things that they do is they set the giants against each other in a fratricidal war.

02:23:23.000 So they make the giants go to war with each other.

02:23:25.000 Now, when I envision this, Playing with the idea here that this actually happened, right, in the Antediluvian world. 0.96

02:23:34.000 I don't imagine big dumb giants, you know, bopping each other over the heads with clubs. 0.91

02:23:39.000 I imagine a technological war. 0.96

02:23:42.000 Because what I see unfolding here, and I think again this is implicit in the Enochian story, is that the Watchers are essentially creating a dynasty.

02:23:54.000 They are building an empire called the Empire of the Gods in the Antediluvian world. 0.82

02:23:59.000 They are each portioning the earth among themselves, and their hybrids are ruling each of these kingdoms. 0.98

02:24:06.000 And then they go to war with each other. 0.99

02:24:09.000 And again, I see this as a technological war because I don't believe that in the biblical account, angels never have wings, only in prophetic iconography.

02:24:20.000 But in the historical narrative of the Bible, angels are never depicted with wings.

02:24:24.000 They are depicted as operating what I would describe as advanced aerospace vehicles.

02:24:31.000 The chariots of God, the chariots of Yahweh, the chariots of fire, variously denominated.

02:24:37.000 And I think that these are vehicles of conveyance.

02:24:42.000 And so the Watchers, when they descended to the earth, I think they descended to the earth in some kind of a vehicle, you know, like that, right?

02:24:49.000 So they would have the knowledge and there would be some technology.

02:24:53.000 And so when their offspring, the giants, went to war with each other in this fratricidal war, it would have been a technological war.

02:25:03.000 Now, the reason why I say that is because you have the story of the Watchers as chronicled in the book of Enoch, but then overlay the story of Atlantis.

02:25:14.000 You have the same story.

02:25:15.000 So, of course, the story of Atlantis comes to us from Plato's Timaeus and Critias dialogue.

02:25:21.000 And he has Solon of Athens traveling to Egypt and interfacing with the priests of Sais.

02:25:30.000 And they tell him, you know, you don't have any history that's hoary with age and so forth.

02:25:35.000 And then they begin to relate to him the story of Atlantis because they told him that his ancestors were remarkable people.

02:25:41.000 They were the Athenians, and only they could resist.

02:25:44.000 The warlike Atlanteans, right?

02:25:46.000 And then we get the story of Atlantis.

02:25:47.000 How does the story of Atlantis begin in Plato's dialogue?

02:25:52.000 Well, it begins with the gods apportioning the earth amongst themselves.

02:25:58.000 That's how it begins.

02:25:59.000 Here are the gods dividing, divvying up the earth.

02:26:02.000 They're going to create what I, again, describe as an empire of the gods.

02:26:05.000 They're divvying up the earth, and each one is going to take a portion of the earth for himself.

02:26:12.000 Poseidon, Plato tells us, gets the area of Atlantis.

02:26:16.000 And what does Poseidon do?

02:26:18.000 Well, he becomes enamored of a human woman named Cleto.

02:26:23.000 He takes her to wife.

02:26:24.000 He copulates with her. 0.96

02:26:26.000 She gives birth to ten hybrid sons who become the kings of Atlantis.

02:26:32.000 And I think there's reason to believe that they were giants in the myths.

02:26:37.000 Atlas, for example, was chief among them. 0.62

02:26:40.000 So you have these ten hybrid sons ruling over Atlantis. 1.00

02:26:44.000 Then what happens? 0.98

02:26:45.000 Then you have, and presumably the other gods did the same thing.

02:26:49.000 In other parts of the world, right?

02:26:50.000 They went out and married human women and gave birth to hybrid offspring, which is, of course, what happens in Greek mythology with a lot of these gods. 0.79

02:26:58.000 They progenerate hybrid offspring. 0.95

02:27:00.000 Then you have a war that breaks out. 0.97

02:27:05.000 The Atlanteans become very warlike.

02:27:07.000 They go on a campaign and they're steamrolling everybody in their way until they get to the Athenians.

02:27:18.000 And they're locked in this.

02:27:21.000 So, I'm hoping people are picking up the parallels here with the book of Enoch, with the story of Enoch.

02:27:26.000 And in the midst of this conflict, what happens?

02:27:29.000 Cataclysm ensues.

02:27:32.000 Atlantis, but not just Atlantis.

02:27:35.000 Atlantis, in the insinuation, is everybody gets destroyed in a cataclysm that erupts suddenly, and Atlantis is consumed in the waves and is no more.

02:27:51.000 Well, the whole point of the Egyptians when they're telling this story to Solon, one of the points that they're trying to convey to Solon is there have been many cataclysms, world ending cataclysms.

02:28:03.000 And every time a cataclysm happens, we have to start over like children, right?

02:28:09.000 So the parallels between the book of Enoch and, by the way, I think Atlantis is an allegory of the antediluvian world in general.

02:28:21.000 I think that there was something like an empire of the gods in the Antediluvian world.

02:28:26.000 And I personally believe that the biblical record is the faithful account of what happened in the Antediluvian world and with the addition of the book of Enoch.

02:28:35.000 Because you cannot separate the Enochian narrative, the Enochic traditions from the Bible.

02:28:44.000 Well, Enoch is referenced in the Bible.

02:28:46.000 And the only reason why the book of Enoch is not in the canon of the Bible is because of some rabbis, right?

02:28:51.000 Well, it's complicated.

02:28:52.000 So the book of Enoch is a compilation of texts, and ranging from the fourth century BC to probably the first century AD.

02:29:04.000 The tradition of Enoch, I think, is very old.

02:29:08.000 I think the tradition of Enoch, that story I just outlined, that tradition of Enoch is the oldest story we have.

02:29:17.000 The one upon which all the other stories are based.

02:29:19.000 That's my personal opinion.

02:29:21.000 Now, the actual book of Enoch that we have today, the only reason we have it is because it was preserved in Ethiopia.

02:29:28.000 That's the only reason we have the book of Enoch today.

02:29:30.000 The Ethiopian Bible.

02:29:31.000 The Ethiopians preserved it, both the The Beta Israel Jews, very, very ancient Jewish community, and the Tawahedo Orthodox Christians.

02:29:41.000 Do you think they have the Ark of the Covenant?

02:29:45.000 I think, let's put it this way I think Graham Hancock makes a very compelling case that they do.

02:29:50.000 Have you read his book, Sign and the Seal?

02:29:51.000 Yeah.

02:29:52.000 The whole depiction of these people that are the watchers of this thing get cataracts because it has some radiation properties.

02:29:59.000 Very compelling narrative.

02:29:59.000 Yeah.

02:30:00.000 Yeah.

02:30:01.000 None of them live more than a couple years after they get the assignment.

02:30:04.000 Yeah.

02:30:05.000 I think it's a very strong possibility that they do.

02:30:09.000 That's crazy.

02:30:10.000 It would be crazy.

02:30:11.000 And I think that many people, including Graham, think that the Ark of the Covenant was there's something technological about it, something radioactive about it.

02:30:11.000 Yeah.

02:30:21.000 But it is interesting, though, because you have the idea, at the very least, the potential for technology in the antediluvian world, right? 0.94

02:30:33.000 Advanced technology.

02:30:34.000 So, what do I mean?

02:30:35.000 Well, what if we're talking about the watchers who descended the earth?

02:30:39.000 Like I said, the Hebrews believed that that actually happened, that that was historical.

02:30:43.000 That wasn't mythological to them, that was historical, that event.

02:30:46.000 Well, what if they did arrive in something like that, like a flying saucer, right?

02:30:51.000 What if there was some level of technology introduced?

02:30:55.000 But I don't believe that it would have been distributed, broadly distributed.

02:31:01.000 Talking about like an advanced lost civilization, I don't think that technology would be broadly distributed.

02:31:07.000 I think that the technology would remain in these family lines, in these dynasties, because their desire was to govern everyone.

02:31:13.000 So, I think what we might be looking for instead of a technologically advanced civilization, maybe a technologically advanced fraternity within civilization.

02:31:21.000 You see what I mean?

02:31:22.000 Like a group that was in control of something advanced, but the rest of the people maybe were Iron Age or something like that or whatever, Bronze Age level, which is kind of a different perspective.

02:31:35.000 Well, we see that today, right?

02:31:36.000 I mean, there's plenty of people today that are uncontacted tribes that are living like people lived tens of thousands of years ago.

02:31:44.000 That's exactly right.

02:31:45.000 Yeah.

02:31:46.000 So it's not uniform even today.

02:31:48.000 Right.

02:31:49.000 So we may.

02:31:50.000 So I think that's why, when we think about, was there a technologically advanced civilization in the Antediluvian world, in the world before the great Cataclysm?

02:31:58.000 I think really what we're looking, what I'm looking for is a, is a fraternity, who were in possession of technology that the rest of everyone didn't have, Maybe something like that, although I will say that I believe that the Antediluvians were much more remarkable than we are in every way.

02:32:15.000 I think they were physically more robust than we are.

02:32:19.000 I think that they were intellectually superior to us.

02:32:23.000 As I was saying before, this is how the ancients thought of their antecedents. 0.65

02:32:26.000 And so when I look back on the timeline of history, the further you go back all the way to those pre flood patriarchs, you're looking at human beings who were so superior to us.

02:32:41.000 I mean, certainly according to the biblical account, they were living much, much longer, almost a thousand years.

02:32:46.000 You're looking at human beings who we would scarcely be regarded as.

02:32:53.000 As human like them, because they would have been more human than we are because we've degenerated.

02:32:58.000 So I see a degeneration, I see a devolution in the human species.

02:33:03.000 We started as something really, really remarkable, and we've been gradually devolving over time, so to speak.

02:33:09.000 We've been degenerating.

02:33:11.000 I think that our antecedents, our antediluvian antecedents, I think they were telepathic.

02:33:18.000 I think that they had these incredible abilities, capabilities that are perhaps latent.

02:33:25.000 In the human species today.

02:33:26.000 Well, that might have been why these people had such large heads in Peru, too.

02:33:29.000 Maybe.

02:33:30.000 Right? 0.97

02:33:30.000 Maybe everybody had elongated skulls at one time. 0.97

02:33:32.000 I don't know.

02:33:33.000 But, I mean, think about that, though.

02:33:35.000 I mean, if you were, see, from a biblical perspective, Adam was created for two fundamental reasons.

02:33:43.000 He was created to govern the earth, but more than that, he was created to fellowship with the Maker, to commune.

02:33:56.000 With the Maker.

02:33:57.000 He was created for fellowship.

02:33:58.000 So think about that.

02:33:59.000 If you were created to fellowship with the Maker, with God, you would have some extraordinary capabilities built into your anatomy, into your biology.

02:34:10.000 You would be given the ability to interface with the Maker, and not just with the Maker, but with whatever else is out there as well.

02:34:19.000 So from the very beginning, I think that mankind was imbued, it was.

02:34:27.000 Intrinsic in our design that we had all of these incredible capabilities, maybe remote viewing, maybe certainly I would say telepathy, because telepathy is conversation at the speed of thought.

02:34:39.000 I mean, we fumble around with words.

02:34:41.000 It takes us kind of a long time to try and say what we mean, but what if what you wanted to convey to me was done so instantaneously?

02:34:50.000 How much more could you convey?

02:34:51.000 How much more information?

02:34:52.000 How much more efficient would that mode of conversation be?

02:34:57.000 It certainly seems like if we keep evolving, that's the future.

02:35:01.000 Or if we keep developing better and better versions of technology, one of the things that the gaps that we would bridge is Elon said that.

02:35:10.000 He said, We're going to be able to talk without words. 0.61

02:35:13.000 Well, the problem is that our technology is getting better, but our species is getting dumber. 0.67

02:35:19.000 And our biology is getting weaker. 0.55

02:35:21.000 And we're poisoning ourselves.

02:35:23.000 But it's not just because of poison.

02:35:24.000 Yes, we poison our environment.

02:35:25.000 We poison our bodies, certainly.

02:35:28.000 But I believe that it's clear to me that we have degenerating and we are degenerating.

02:35:34.000 We are degenerating.

02:35:36.000 So, and this is genetic degeneration.

02:35:40.000 So, we have what's called mutational load, human beings, all creatures.

02:35:44.000 We have mutational load.

02:35:46.000 And mutational load is all of the deleterious mutations, all of the negative mutations that happen in our genome, they compile.

02:35:57.000 And it becomes this burden, this genetic burden.

02:36:00.000 We have all of these mutations that we're carrying, mutational load.

02:36:04.000 And the further we go down the line, the more mutational load we have.

02:36:08.000 And again, these are deleterious mutations.

02:36:10.000 So you get all kinds of problems from that.

02:36:14.000 I mean, we basically what it amounts to is we become less and less and less impressive over time.

02:36:19.000 And there's nothing we can do.

02:36:21.000 You can't reverse that.

02:36:22.000 You can't just have a good diet and regain the capabilities that were lost.

02:36:28.000 That's impossible.

02:36:29.000 So we're declining.

02:36:32.000 Our technology is ascending.

02:36:34.000 We're declining.

02:36:35.000 So what we're headed for essentially is a post human future, a future in which we have to evolve ourselves out of this condition, I would say out of Adam, into something else.

02:36:50.000 And I'm not in favor of that, by the way. 0.64

02:36:52.000 I'm not a transhumanist. 0.96

02:36:53.000 But clearly, you have this conundrum where we are clearly getting dumber as a species. 0.96

02:37:02.000 There's no doubt about it.

02:37:03.000 I mean, I saw I can't reference it here, but I saw some data on this the other day, and it's astounding.

02:37:11.000 It's kind of alarming.

02:37:13.000 And not only that, we've realized I try and remember the reference to this book that's.

02:37:22.000 The details of this, but the human species is essentially becoming reproductively inviolable.

02:37:30.000 The sperm count of males in the West is declining precipitously, as is our fitness.

02:37:36.000 So that is on the decline, such that I think the projection is in 2045 or something like that, we're going to basically be reproductively inviolable.

02:37:45.000 We're going to need a technological intervention like artificial wombs.

02:37:49.000 Well, what's happening right now?

02:37:51.000 We're developing things like Artificial wombs.

02:37:55.000 So it's very interesting that these two things are running in parallel.

02:38:00.000 We're degenerating, but our technology is increasingly getting better.

02:38:04.000 So the result of this is going to be what I describe as a post human apocalypse.

02:38:10.000 I mean, we're headed for a future that's not human.

02:38:13.000 That's what the Yuval Noah Harari is out there prognosticating that in, I think he says, in 120 to 130 years from now, there will be no more human beings left on planet Earth.

02:38:28.000 So, why am I saying this?

02:38:30.000 Because I'm illustrating that you go back in time, go all the way back to the beginning.

02:38:35.000 If you come from a biblical paradigm like I do, you're the first man, Adam, the prototypical man.

02:38:41.000 He has all of the incredible capabilities that are innate built into his system.

02:38:47.000 He's communing with his maker, he's governing the earth, he can do all of these amazing things.

02:38:53.000 And then, as we become copies of Adam all the way down, we're gradually losing these abilities.

02:39:01.000 But I think that some of them are still latent in the human species.

02:39:05.000 And I think that explains remote viewing and telepathy and things like that.

02:39:10.000 I don't know how I got on that.

02:39:11.000 Listen, it makes a lot of sense, and it's a fascinating conversation.

02:39:15.000 And I enjoyed this very much.

02:39:18.000 I did as well.

02:39:19.000 Thank you very much for being here.

02:39:20.000 Thanks for having me.

02:39:21.000 Tell everybody if they want to get a hold of your stuff, they want to find you, where they can find you on social media, where they can find your website.

02:39:28.000 Timothy Albarino on social media, on Instagram, on X.

02:39:33.000 I have a YouTube channel, Timothy Albarino.

02:39:35.000 So, I have a book called Birthright, and I also publish commentary and introduction to the book of Enoch with my friends.

02:39:46.000 Oh, Sidonia.

02:39:47.000 We're going to have to get to that.

02:39:48.000 That's a whole other conversation.

02:39:49.000 Next time.

02:39:50.000 We're going to have to have that conversation.

02:39:52.000 I would love to.

02:39:53.000 Thank you very much.

02:39:54.000 My pleasure.

02:39:54.000 Thanks a lot of fun.

02:39:55.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 23, 2026

Joe Rogan Experience #2530 - Timothy Alberino

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