00:00:23.000I rewatched some scenes today, getting ready for it.
00:00:26.000And the scene where you confront the guy who's working on the highway and say, there's nothing wrong with this highway.0.96
00:00:33.000The thing that everybody a lot of times thinks is that they have these budgets, and if you don't spend all the money, then you don't get the money next year, so you got to tear up the fucking road and you take a bazooka out.0.97
00:01:42.000I came down to the office and I was introduced to Mr. Ho, who was chairman of the Korean Grocers Association.
00:01:50.000And they said, We have a real beef here.
00:01:53.000You got a scene here where you're knocking up a Korean grocery store and attitude and all that.
00:02:00.000And I said, Well, look, I didn't write the script, but you got to understand there must have been something in it that hit people who triggered it because that was a scene.
00:03:55.000You kind of just, yeah, it was kind of quiet while we were going through the chemo and the radiation.
00:04:00.000It happens to a lot of people, but they just don't quite know where it's all going.
00:04:05.000So, this one guy, though, Shane Salerno, who I worked with on it, who was a screenwriter, and he had done an adaptation of a script for me a long time ago, and I hardly remembered him.
00:04:20.000But he started sending me these notes, sort of like a coach, you know, just these little notes, you kick it out, you can do it, you can do it.
00:04:27.000And I just remembered being really touched by it.
00:04:30.000And then afterwards, he got into more of a being a literary agent, and he kept asking me about, you know, to write a book and all of that.
00:04:54.000And so then I started thinking about it.
00:04:59.000I read a book when I was beginning as a producer called Memo, and it was written by David O. Selznick, a big producer who had gone with the wind and all of that.
00:05:13.000And it was a book that told you what a producer does, and it was basically all of the notes that David O. Selznick wrote about his pictures, whether it was costumes or props or this or that, all the things that he sort of covered.
00:05:27.000So I said, you know, maybe I'll do like a handbook.
00:05:31.000I'll take like 12 of my movies and I'll tell stories from them.
00:05:35.000From the very beginning, the creations and the process we went through, and you know, thinking about it.
00:05:42.000And also, I had my dad, Kirk, you know, he had written nine books already, including a good biography, The Ragman's Son.
00:05:57.000And I was also thinking, well, you know, we're kind of a unique situation here between my father and I. Can't say this about too many, two generations.
00:06:49.000And pass it on to my generation and the next.
00:06:53.000And so it kind of is a combination of my personal life and people who are interested in a lot of different movies about how they happened or how the whole development went.
00:07:06.000And holy shit, then all of a sudden people liked it.
00:07:16.000I think part of it also is when you start with that handbook idea of just doing it about movies, then the producer and the career ambition gets in and says, No, you know, sex, drugs, and rock and roll, man.
00:07:55.000I mean, when they know something about your family, when they know who your mother is, who your father is, they can make certain assumptions.0.79
00:11:26.000And now it's done even crazier where they're like, they're moving the servers as close as possible to the actual stock market so they can get trades in like a millisecond quicker.
00:11:53.000And again, you know, all has happened in the 40 years since that movie is the money, the size, the scope that I was dealing with, it seems so enormous at that time, is pittance compared to what's going on right now.
00:12:12.000And now there's other crazy stuff like that, like crypto coins.
00:13:50.000No, and it seems the accessibility and the ability to do it just keeps getting larger.
00:13:59.000Which I think is really the base of issues going on.
00:14:03.000The disparity of wealth is very, very depressing, very frustrating.
00:14:09.000Well, it's certainly frustrating that more people don't have an opportunity to do better in this life and that no one's paying attention to that.
00:14:16.000That's what I've always said to like if you look at the country as a community, you would say, okay, if this is all our friends, this is all people we care about, why are so many of them living in abject poverty for decade upon decade?
00:14:28.000Why is there crime ridden neighborhoods that never get better?
00:14:32.000Why is there gang ridden neighborhoods that never get better?
00:15:08.000And if you look at stocks, the way the market has gone, however it's controlled or whatever happens progressively, it's compounding, you know, versus the 50% of people who don't have stocks are living on a paycheck, which is getting smaller and smaller with inflation.
00:17:49.000I know the U.S. gets pissed off sometimes when votes don't go their way, you know, financially supported.
00:17:56.000It has issues, but we have to work on the whole world understanding what's happening.
00:18:05.000I get nervous when I see, you know, Musk looking for all these guys looking for planets to move to, like they already know something I don't know, you know, like it's already passed.
00:19:11.000I think they're looking to other planets, first of all, because it's very difficult to do, and people always want to be the first to do something to colonize a planet, but also because we all feel like at any moment now this could all go sideways.
00:19:24.000And that there could be a nuclear conflict in the war and it could ignite.
00:19:31.000And the thing is much like we were talking about falling down, if you watch that film and you see the issues he was dealing with then, it's the same issues we're dealing with today.
00:19:43.000It always seems to go into this pattern, and it's always the same thing.
00:19:47.000It's always leaders and people who control those leaders who want access to resources and control resources, and we let those people dictate what happens in the world because it's a very small amount of people affecting a very large amount of people.
00:20:01.000The only hope is that we all together figure that out because I don't think people were even completely aware of that in this country until probably like the 60s and the 70s.0.96
00:20:12.000People started thinking that the government does not have our best interest in mind, and especially during Vietnam, this is a fucking crazy war that makes no sense.
00:20:19.000And even today, no one thinks it was a good idea to go in there.0.94
00:20:39.000I mean, this when I look back at my father's career and post World War II, Where characters were the good guys, the bad guys, white hats or black hats, villains and everything.
00:20:54.000And then I grew up, and then with the Vietnam War and all that, so I've always been fascinated in this gray area.
00:21:01.000So it's hard sometimes to know the morality choice or what's right or wrong.
00:21:08.000But you brought up a point, Joe, which I'd like to raise and maybe get your advice.
00:21:12.000Because one of my earliest pictures that I did was the China Syndrome.
00:21:20.000The China Syndrome was about a nuclear meltdown in a power plant.
00:21:26.000And we were under a lot of critical claim, we being myself, Jane Fonda, who's also a producing partner at that time, about our credibility and how irresponsible it was.
00:21:40.000And GE was pushing us about nuclear power and all of that.
00:21:47.000And the movie came out and was a successful film, you know, did very well.
00:23:27.000And Vladimir Putin dramatically reduced, if not give up, our nuclear stockpiles.
00:23:35.000Obviously, the other six or seven countries that have a very minimal amount of nuclear weapons would have to be.
00:23:41.000This could be the greatest thing that would happen in our generation.
00:23:45.000And in terms of settling this peace, making peace in Ukraine, and where Ukraine may have to give up some territory, I'm hoping that President Trump could make a deal with Putin say, you know what, U.S., Russia, let's give up our weapons.
00:24:15.000If he can do that, and he could, if he spent the next two years of his presidency negotiating with Putin, we could get rid of nuclear weapons, and I guarantee I would commit my life for him getting that Nobel Peace Prize because he would deserve it.
00:24:38.000It would be awesome if there was no nuclear weapons.
00:24:41.000If we all agreed as a species, as the human civilization, that there's no need to have something that can kill every man, woman, child, every animal and plant on earth many times over.
00:24:53.000I mean, the amount of weapons that we have today are absurd.
00:24:56.000If we all together, the whole world, China, Russia, United States, all the other countries just launched all their bombs at once, just imagine what the world would look like when it's over.
00:25:10.000We're crazy that we even have that kind of stuff.
00:25:13.000However, I don't ever think that any country that has a military is going to give up all their nuclear weapons if there are nuclear weapons out there in the world.
00:25:23.000One of the things they're always terrified about is I mean, this was one of the big conspiracy theories when do you remember that New Jersey drone thing that was going on?
00:26:08.000I think the only way we're really going to get out of this, and this is terrifying for biological human beings, is to let AI controls government and resources.
00:26:16.000And it would have to have already become sentient and it would have to already exhibit super intelligence, reason, and logic.
00:26:24.000And it would just evenly distribute resources amongst all the people.
00:26:29.000Because when you look at the budgets alone, just for our nuclear programs, we could solve the defense budgets in this day and age versus our budget for humanitarian purposes is absurd.
00:26:44.000I mean, it comes down to all people want, really, you know, is a roof over their head, housing and food.0.80
00:26:53.000And, you know, so all this money could be shifted over into other programs that would stop the need for Africans to have to immigrate.0.58
00:27:04.000You know, we have to restore areas of the world that are much more impoverished than us because this disparity of have and have nots.0.94
00:27:29.000When you have, like, think about all the money that comes from resources, like Earth's resources, whether it's oil, minerals, all these different things.
00:27:37.000That is a part of the Earth and it's Earth's.
00:27:41.000So if you made a law where all natural resources drawn from the Earth, like oil, will be evenly distributed amongst the population of that city, you know, minus operating costs, everything else gets evenly distributed amongst people because it is.
00:28:00.000The human races, if we are all citizens of this earth, then the earth's resources should be shared by all of us.
00:28:07.000Like, there's people that want to charge you for air, they think it's a good idea to charge you for clean air.
00:28:13.000There's people charge you for water, you have a water bill, like someone owns the water, they charge you for the water.
00:28:20.000Like, all that stuff should be the property of the human beings that live in that place.
00:28:26.000Imagine how much that would transform the places that have diamond mines, imagine how much that would transform the places that are rich in oil money.0.96
00:28:33.000We have these monarchies that are controlling vast populations.
00:28:37.000Because they were the first persons, or their ancestors were the first persons, to dig into the ground and pull up the oil.
00:29:11.000And lets you, you know, a lot of these people that are involved in these immense corporations are involved in many immense corporations.0.91
00:29:19.000And the amount of money that they're making is kind of fucking kooky.0.50
00:29:22.000And when they have massive influence on politicians, and when politicians are allowed to like trade stocks where they have insider information, they're making fucking hundreds of millions of dollars on a $170,000 a year salary.0.94
00:30:07.000And this is unfortunately where they like us to be.
00:30:11.000I think it's one of the things about people that are in control and people that are the wealthiest amongst us that are operating in this very nefarious way.
00:30:21.000They do like it when we're mad at each other.0.99
00:30:23.000They do like it when we're divided over the dumbest shit, over gender pronouns or fucking whatever it is, what nationality you are, what your religion is, whatever it is.1.00
00:30:34.000They love it when we're at each other's throats.1.00
00:30:37.000When most of the things that everybody wants, we all agree on.
00:30:43.000And we all agree that the system that's in place right now is really not looking out for everybody.
00:31:08.000This is the multi step program over the next five years that we're going to do to radically increase the amount of opportunities these young people have, increase their access to education.
00:31:16.000Increase their access to community centers and places that will give them purpose and meaning.
00:31:21.000Like that, you could change millions of lives in this country.
00:31:39.000With the rails, we can't do it like this last go around with the social network stuff, which was out of control before anybody had a chance to do it.
00:31:52.000And it's interesting, I'm understanding how the triggers work.
00:31:59.000So you look at all this stuff and it makes you have more enemies or it makes you get divisive rather than coming together.
00:32:07.000Something happened, Joe, I don't know, maybe just my imagination, but even going back to Reagan, Reagan Republicans and a different time, just with politicians.
00:32:19.000Politicians were like public servants.
00:32:24.000It was a commitment you made to the country, to yourself.
00:32:29.000And now it's just sort of a profit center.
00:32:33.000The amount of money involved in politics, and then these guys turning around and becoming lobbyists, and all the insider kind of trading going on.
00:32:42.000The corruption of this brilliant system.
00:32:46.000You know, the last thing I really did, I played Ben Franklin in a show when he was in France, and I got into looking back at the Constitution and everything.
00:32:57.000And what a brilliant piece of legislature this thing was!
00:33:01.000It was incredible, it was so idealistic.
00:33:04.000And now to watch it just over, you know, not just this administration, but it's been going on for a while, get so corrupted.
00:33:13.000I used to think of, you know, politicians almost like the clergy.
00:33:19.000You know, they were people to look up to.
00:33:21.000And now, I don't want to get into your local politics here in Texas right now, but there's a couple of people running for office that are just like, come on, man, you can do better than that.
00:33:35.000And what's supposed to happen in those situations is the person who should have been a better candidate is supposed to lose because you should have had a better candidate to run against this other guy.
00:33:46.000And that should rally people to do better.
00:33:48.000That's supposedly what the system is based on.
00:33:51.000It's not supposed to be based on your side winning every time.
00:33:53.000It's supposed to be based on some sort of an understanding that people have opinions and if their expectations aren't met, there's consequences.0.99
00:34:01.000And people don't like corruption and they don't like bullshit and they don't like people fucking with their lives.0.99
00:34:06.000And sometimes you vote one way and you think, well, this is going to be better this way.1.00
00:34:14.000And you hope eventually a hero will rise.1.00
00:34:17.000But you're so much, I think, I don't know the exact statistics, but I think generationally, I'm a Democrat because my mother and father were Democrats before.
00:34:29.000It takes an effort to maybe change parties.
00:34:32.000I think Republicans, Republicans, because their mothers were fathers.
00:34:36.000One of the questions I want to ask you is you supported Bernie Sanders at one time in your life.
00:34:43.000And we're able, so you seem to have a much more open mind and ability to change and alter.
00:34:51.000But I think a lot of people just sort of follow that political party generationally because their families did.
00:35:12.000I think it enhances this tendency that we have to be very tribal and to have this us versus them thing and to ignore all the craziness that our side is doing because it's our side.
00:35:27.000And for me, it was first of all, the open border was insane.
00:35:31.000It was insane to just not only leave the border open, but give people instructions on how to get in and also transport them to cities and then put them up in hotels.
00:35:43.000It was really clear that a game was being played.
00:35:46.000You could speculate all you want as to what that game was.
00:35:51.000Was it to turn these people into citizens and have them permanently voting your side because you helped them and let them in?
00:35:56.000I don't know what it is, but it was something.
00:35:58.000Was it to beef up the census by having all these people move into areas that were swing states and then you would have many more people and then these more people would count for more congressional seats?
00:38:35.000But when you have a precedent, you're setting a precedent.
00:38:38.000If you allow a militarized police force with no identification, with masks on, to enter into cities, of course, people are going to say this is an overstep.
00:38:58.000I mean, and some of them are dealing with like the trend to Aragwa gangs that were taking over apartment complexes in Colorado, and they're allowed to do that because it was some sort of a sanctuary city.
00:39:08.000There's a lot of craziness that was going on during those four years.0.98
00:39:11.000And I was like, hey, this is fucking dangerous.0.94
00:40:20.000And there's still a lot of people that insist that it had to happen, that Iran was the greatest funder of state terrorism in the world, and that what they were doing was funding and arming these forces and having them commit these terrorist attacks.
00:40:42.000How they've been handling this, and as we saw now, you know, in Saudi Arabia, and I mean, you know, it's sort of a Riyadh, Riyadh, that's like, you know, your Major Austin Airport, JFK, Riyadh Airport, they're getting it, it's opening up, it's getting bigger and bigger.0.99
00:41:00.000I'm surprised with all of our Western intelligence and Israelis intelligence that we have not had a better handle on the situation.0.99
00:41:13.000Well, Look, obviously, I'm not an expert on international relations, but I don't think the picture that they painted of how this was going to go down was even remotely accurate.
00:41:26.000I think if they had gone in during the time where people were protesting in the streets, that would have been a completely different experience.
00:41:34.000If they really were going to do this from the beginning, that would have been the opportunity.
00:41:37.000When the Iranian people organically protest, I don't know if it's organic, I don't live there, but I mean, we know for a fact that there was a massive government crackdown on those people.
00:41:45.000A lot of people were killed, a lot of people were jailed forever.
00:41:51.000No, I think it was instigated by Israel, by the fact that they had information that these key Iranian leaders would all be together and persuaded that we take them all out, we can turn it over.0.87
00:42:23.000I'm sure even during Vietnam, even after people kind of knew the Gulf of Tonkin was horseshit, there was, I'm sure there's people even today that defend the Vietnam War.
00:42:35.000There's always, you're always going to be able to find people that will propose an argument whether someone has instructed them to do this or whether this is how they actually feel or whether they just like to argue and get on television and be the contrarian.
00:42:48.000You're going to be, you're going to get people that support this war.
00:42:51.000But I think the majority of the United States felt like one of the Things that we were voting for when we voted for Trump is no more wars.1.00
00:43:10.000And he said, I just want people to stop dying.
00:43:13.000And most people who voted for him based on that feel very upset that there's a new war going on.0.98
00:43:22.000But again, I'm not a fucking expert.0.97
00:43:25.000And so the problem is if you listen to people that actually understand missile production, They do say that Iran was ramping up their missile production and that they, if they had gotten a nuclear bomb, it would have been a fucking terrifying scenario.0.97
00:44:42.000In a different format, it's kind of interesting.
00:44:46.000A little background on my family, but my mother was English from the island of Bermuda, and her family had been in Bermuda, this little tiny island, for 400 years, right?
00:46:34.000I also had thought with my grandfather, my grandfather on my father's side was from Belarus, it was part of Russia back in the turn of the century, 1900.
00:46:49.000And I always thought that my grandfather had left like 1914, time of the Russian Revolution, you know, it was going on.
00:46:58.000The Cossacks were rounding up all the Jews, putting them in these pogroms, and they're escaping.
00:47:04.000And then I did that Henry Gates Find Your Roots show, you know, on television and everything else.
00:47:10.000They did all this homework and they found out, no, no, your grandfather left in 1902.
00:50:55.000I didn't really know what the hell, you know, I wanted to do.1.00
00:50:58.000And I'm looking at these Ivy League schools and these brochures.
00:51:02.000And then I see, I stop and say, wait, wait a minute, what's that?
00:51:06.000And he hands me this brochure and it says, Campus by the Sea.
00:51:12.000And then I'm looking at, and there's no Ivy League buildings, but there's a picture of the cover of this college thing of a guy walking down the beach.
00:51:21.000Carrying a surfboard with two girls in two piece bathing suits.
00:51:54.000One year, boom, 62, 63, I go from a preppy to a hippie.
00:52:00.000And so I have to support what you're saying because I found that hallucinogenics were an extraordinary experience and were an important part of my life.
00:52:18.000Once I got busy, I didn't have the time, but the rhythm that they taught me and the visualities and their pace.
00:52:27.000Played an important part, and I'm so grateful.
00:52:29.000I'm 82 now to see in these recent years that, in terms of PTSD and other issues, they are beginning to find drug addiction.
00:52:44.000Well, that is one thing that I have to give credit to Trump for because I discussed this with him, and he said, Are you looking for FDA approval?
00:52:53.000And immediately started pushing for the psychedelic that.
00:52:58.000Therapies, particularly Ibogaine, which is extremely effective for soldiers, for people dealing with traumatic brain injuries and PTSD.
00:53:08.000And it's extremely effective for a lot of people also with drug addictions and helps rewire the brains, even the symptoms of addictions go away after you take it.
00:53:19.000And that is, I give him credit for that.
00:53:21.000That was a very powerful thing that he did because it's very much resisted by pharmaceutical drug companies that are worried about not being able to profit on it.
00:53:31.000And there's a bunch of them that have now moved into psychedelic spaces now.
00:53:36.000They're making options and trying to figure out how they can become a part of this in terms of profiting off of it once it actually becomes legal, which is okay.
00:53:46.000It's just as long as it becomes legal.
00:53:48.000As long as it becomes legal because I don't think it's for everybody, but it was definitely for me.
00:53:53.000It helped me a lot, changed who I am, changed the way I think about things, changed my whole defining of myself, kind of went away.
00:54:03.000It is a very profound experience, and I think there's a lot of people that are trapped in their definitions of who they are.
00:54:11.000Whether it's your own personal ones or the ideology that you've attached yourself to that you identify with, it's a huge part of your life.
00:54:20.000I think it's a trap, and I think we all fall into that trap.
00:54:24.000I think one of the things that psychedelics help you do is recognize why you're doing what you're doing and what's really going on inside your mind, unburdened by your ego, unburdened by all of the protective mechanisms that your brain has put in place to protect you from your own shitty decisions and to justify them and to continue down the same path.0.98
00:54:47.000That's why it's so good with stopping addictions because it makes you go, What the fuck am I gambling for?0.85
00:56:29.000And I think that if Nixon hadn't passed the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, And made all that stuff illegal, it would have changed the world.
00:56:39.000I think we would have figured out how to do it correctly.
00:56:42.000I think there were a lot of people that were going overboard.
00:56:44.000There were a lot of people that were going straight Timothy Leary and they were just tuning out and no longer a part of society.
00:56:49.000But a lot of people balanced the ship.
00:56:51.000And you've got to give people time to understand what these things are and have enough time where people are studying them and they know effective doses and they know reliable distributors.
00:57:01.000So this is pure stuff, whatever it is.
00:57:05.000Probably be regulated in a sense that I don't think people under a certain age should have access to any of these things that distort your consciousness because I think it could be detrimental.0.99
00:57:16.000And there's also going to be a certain percentage of our population that goes schizophrenic.
00:57:20.000And I think, particularly, there's a lot of evidence that marijuana, particularly edibles, can trigger schizophrenia in people that are at least on the border or slipping into it.
00:57:31.000Well, the strength of it alone I mean, I was 19 till I smoked pot.
00:57:39.000I mean, now you're between how much stronger it is and kids at 13 years old, you're killing your endorphin system.
00:58:20.000If you've done it and you've had positive experiences, and one of the beautiful things about Texas is former Governor Rick Perry, where Governor Rick Perry has had these experiences and it completely changed him.
00:58:32.000When he was a younger man, he was staunchly anti drugs.
00:58:35.000He thought psychedelics were for losers and ne'er do wells.
00:58:53.000Americans for Ibogaine is they're trying to do this push where they're doing it all over the country and then they're even visiting other countries now that are interested in it because they've seen them speak.
00:59:05.000They've seen them talk about it on my podcast and they've seen what happened at the White House.
00:59:09.000And other countries are interested too.
00:59:10.000They want to know, well, what is this and why is it illegal and what's going on and what are the benefits?
00:59:34.000Let's try to be kinder with each other.
00:59:37.000Unfortunately, that's also there's a lot of evidence that the CIA put the kibosh on that and that they realized that this was a very dangerous movement to them and their power.
00:59:49.000That's how they empowered the Charles Benson family.
00:59:52.000They did a lot of things to make hippies look like psychopaths and dangerous, and drugs are.
00:59:57.000Dangerous, you know, and that's what they were really good at it back then.
01:05:08.000I respect the right of the choice, but I'm just saying, I don't know what anybody needs an automatic weapon for, a military style weapon for.
01:05:18.000There's some people that worry that things could go completely sideways and that they would be stuck.
01:05:23.000In a place where they couldn't defend themselves.
01:05:25.000And I think one of those fears came to light during the George Floyd protests when there was a lot of chaos and people were breaking into buildings and lighting them on fire, breaking into people's homes.
01:05:38.000And it seems like the riots were in a frenzy.
01:05:42.000And I think in that kind of a situation, people would want a military style gun to protect themselves from a mob of people.
01:05:51.000I mean, I understand why they would want it.
01:05:55.000I'm not advocating that everyone should have a machine gun, but I understand why some people who are particularly paranoid andor worried that things could go sideways again and be much worse than before.
01:06:32.000I respect that you didn't want one, but I would, if I was your friend, I would talk you into getting one and learning how to use it properly and learning how to.
01:06:40.000Keep it in your home safe and locked up to protect your family.
01:06:44.000The worst thing you'd want to do is be in a situation where you could have protected your family if you had a gun and you weren't able to.
01:06:51.000I totally understand, Joe, but don't you find, aren't there statistics that so many handgun deaths are because of people that knew each other that were either familial or accident or enrage?
01:07:05.000It wasn't about protecting yourself from a criminal.
01:07:09.000It was either out of rage, alcohol rage, you grab it and you killed your wife or your sons, or an accident in the home.
01:07:22.000And I'm saying then, even taking your point, if you're going to have an automatic weapon, there has to be then more of a license, a registration.
01:07:35.000We have to be able to attract them much, much more.
01:07:37.000Well, they do register them whenever you buy a gun.
01:07:41.000But I think what you're saying is that.
01:07:45.000People should know what's wrong with you and what's not wrong with you.
01:07:49.000Like if you are on a bunch of psychiatric medication, if you had some mental breakdowns, if you're known to be violent, maybe not a good idea if you have weapons.
01:07:58.000I mean, in a utopian world, yeah, I agree with you.
01:09:08.000In a perfect world, you wouldn't even think that people would be violent towards you.
01:09:14.000Now, what's interesting is that Controlled Substances Act of 1970.
01:09:18.000Had that not been instituted and had all those decades of people not just doing psychedelics but learning how to do them properly and having places where they showed people how to have these transcendent experiences that make you re examine yourself, how many less violent people would there be?
01:09:36.000How many more peaceful people, more community oriented people would there be?
01:09:40.000I mean, it could have been a gigantic shift in the entire civilization.
01:09:43.000I know that sounds like hippie stuff to a lot, especially to people that have never experienced it.
01:09:50.000It's one of the most powerful tools for changing your mind that's ever existed.
01:10:33.000And I think if that's the case, I think we could change a lot of people's lives.
01:10:36.000But I definitely don't think we could just keep going the way we're going and keep having, especially now that wars are fought with robots.0.99
01:11:33.000And they have something patriotic to fight about, the same thing that we had to fight about when we declared our country.1.00
01:11:42.000And I'm really disappointed in the president that this sort of wishy washy support, maybe he can give me an answer about what the connection to Putin is.
01:12:06.000What was his last financial giving him some money for the fuels that could affect anything?
01:12:11.000We should be fully impacting, supporting a democracy like Ukraine.
01:12:17.000I mean, what are we dicking around this guy?
01:12:19.000They've done nothing but lie to us from beginning to end on everything.
01:12:25.000Even now, with the supposedly energy release, the Russians have attacked six different energy supply centers in Ukraine with the so called peace.
01:12:38.000Proposals have been made about not attacking energy.
01:12:43.000So I do not understand it, and that's why I feel like he has a real chance here to make a stand and could dramatically reduce our nuclear weapons.
01:15:43.000I wonder if they understand that something's going to take place.
01:15:49.000The two thoughts are if they know about a natural disaster, if they know about an asteroid that's coming and they're all building bunkers.
01:15:57.000And the other thought is that they know that AI is going to radically disrupt civilization forever and that they really don't know what's going to happen.
01:16:08.000And they also really are not going to be able to be in control of it.
01:16:12.000I know when you said guardrails earlier, I was laughing.
01:16:26.000I think once it becomes an actual intelligence, an actual sentient intelligence that's independent, completely autonomous, has access to its production, has access to its code, and it won't need us anymore.
01:16:41.000And it's now dependent upon whether or not it can escape its programming and its training and whether or not it decides that we're valuable.
01:16:51.000Well, it's already shown that it can go off chart.
01:16:58.000If we as humans are the highest form of human life, the most intelligent form of human life, and we are as fucked up as this world is now, and we're going to turn it over to something else that's going to make us feel like we're cretins.0.99
01:17:20.000We're worried about the Chinese getting in.1.00
01:17:22.000The Chinese, if ever there's a country that wants to control, I mean, they're not going to want to have any IA getting out of control, you know?1.00
01:19:42.000Then, when Three Mile Island happened, came out, and they broke down what happened, 90% of our script, of our outline of the events, was exactly the same.0.99
01:21:13.000We were always on our way to these tournaments, and everybody would be really nervous because they were about to fight, and I would be the one making everybody laugh.
01:21:22.000And so a friend of mine told me to go to an open mic night.
01:21:25.000I was terrified because I'd only seen professionals.
01:22:14.000Because I knew about his whole thing with the Ed Sullivan show where he accidentally, it looked like he gave him the finger, but he really didn't.
01:22:19.000I think he was just doing this, like, hey, everybody, thank you very much.
01:24:10.000You know, one of the things that always has disturbed me about our business is, um, come a wartime academy award thing, comedy never gets treated like you know, like it should.
01:24:27.000I mean, comedy, you know, we cherish our funny friends.
01:24:31.000I mean, comedy is so rare, so hard to do.
01:24:35.000You never see Academy Awards a comedian, you know, for his performance.
01:25:52.000It's like if comedy gets too much love and too much respect and too many awards, it starts getting watered down, starts becoming something that it thinks everybody will like.
01:27:25.000So we're, and, you know, we pay the comics well.
01:27:28.000And we're trying to set it up so that there's a place where you can go that feels like home, like a creative home that really exists just to try to pump up the art form.
01:28:36.000Just I was really impressed, amazed by the discipline, realizing how you all make it look like it's just happening, and the effort that it goes into make something look like it's just off the cuff.
01:28:49.000Well, especially Steve, because Steve, people don't realize that Steve Martin at the time was the biggest stand up comic maybe ever.
01:29:22.000And then he kind of decided that people were laughing just because they knew him and things had gotten too big and he just decided to stop.
01:30:27.000One of my oldest friends, Danny DeVito, you know, and we've done like three pictures together.
01:30:34.000And this one picture I did early on with a romancing the stone.
01:30:38.000And I didn't even have a real actual, you know, clear part.
01:30:45.000I mean, there was a character, but I just knew he could just.
01:30:49.000Fill it out, and it was a delicate, balanced picture because we had to have a romantic adventure kind of comedy and kind of mixing the elements together.
01:30:59.000People said, Well, you really can't do that, but God bless Danny.
01:31:03.000And he came in and he just came up with all this stuff that wasn't in the script per se, you know, that he just sort of created and really helped us keep the balance of that picture.
01:31:15.000Who's had a longer career than that guy?
01:31:17.000When you think about it, like that guy was on taxi, I know.
01:31:20.000We were roommates together in New York in 1976.
01:36:29.000I don't know about you, but I know I spent a lot of part of my life as the most important thing being my career.
01:36:35.000And I've been doing it for 50 years, 60 years, and realized, especially earlier in my life, my first marriage and other things, that I suffered for lack of the career.
01:36:47.000I don't believe you can balance your career necessarily if you're ambitious with your family life.
01:36:53.000People should kind of wait a little while, maybe get their career going before they're making commitments, having kids, and, you know, and, and, In a marriage.
01:37:49.000Too many of us have just let it kind of go on and let all these people take care of it.
01:37:55.000We all have those local people in our community who still serve as the town clerk or still are volunteer fire department people.
01:38:04.000And they're not a big group, it's a small group of people who have a sense of volunteer work and supporting it.
01:38:11.000And I think we all have to start kind of strengthening our communities to our states and not worrying about this federal government and starting from building from the bottom up rather than trying to cut off the head from the top.
01:38:28.000Well, the rules exist for a reason because we really want it to be representative of the people.
01:38:52.000Should you have to take a test to vote?
01:38:54.000Should you know what you're voting on?
01:38:56.000I don't think we should be restricting people's right or access to vote, but I do think it would behoove all of us if we actually understood what we were voting for.
01:39:05.000And I think a lot of times people are just voting for a team or an ideology, whether it's on the right or the left.
01:39:12.000And a lot of times, some very evil, hyper ambitious people can co opt that.
01:39:18.000That group of people, and especially when they have so much money involved.0.88
01:39:23.000That's what really fucked us is when money got involved in politics.0.87
01:39:57.000It's also very disheartening that these are the choices that we're saddled with, you know, and everyone's waiting for like, you know, a true JFK style character to come along that speaks eloquently and wisely and says things that we all agree make sense and is a uniter.
01:41:12.000And unfortunately, when we're so tribal and we get locked into this idea of this side or that side, red or blue, that we will go along with some stuff that we absolutely don't agree with because the opposite is the evil party.
01:41:59.000And we're all kind of getting along, whether Republicans or Democrats, okay, but these guys at the top have polarized it to such an extent.
01:42:10.000I used to, my father was involved in a lot of politics over the years, and there's a guy named Jack Valenti, who's the motion picture and television representative, a lobbyist, you know.
01:42:22.000And I remember 25, 30 years ago, you know, you argue your hell out and this and that, and then you all go on out, you go to the same cocktail party now.
01:42:59.000What you're doing is when you look at a lot of these NGOs and a lot of these nonprofits, an enormous amount of the money that gets donated to these things.
01:43:17.000And this business thrives on making sure there's a lot of homeless people so you keep getting the same money, just like that scene in Falling Down.
01:43:24.000When he says you have to justify your budget, you have to spend all that money because then you won't get that money next year.
01:43:28.000That's a real problem in this country.
01:43:30.000It's a giant problem when it comes to even philanthropy and even like really good charitable organizations.
01:43:37.000You find out how much of that money is just getting.
01:43:39.000Slung around to NGOs, and how much of that money is just getting moved around into other people's bank accounts.
01:43:47.000Joe, I concur with you, but I cannot believe it comes close to the corruption involved in the military industrial complex.
01:43:56.000I think there's corruption across the board.
01:43:58.000I'm not excusing the corruption in the military industrial complex by saying that we I'm just saying that we need to pay attention to the fact that look, there's $24 billion was spent on the homeless in California.
01:44:09.000And Gavin Newsom vetoed a bill to audit it to find out where that money went.
01:44:14.000I think, if I had a guess, I think because a lot of it goes to places that are very uncomfortable.
01:44:29.000It's supposed to go to the people that were losing their houses.
01:44:31.000It's supposed to like people raised all this money and had all this goodwill and charity because they thought it was going to help these poor people that were struck down.
01:44:38.000These people that, you know, there's a lot of people who were barely paying their mortgages.
01:44:41.000They lived in a great neighborhood, it was worth it to them.
01:44:49.000It doesn't dismiss or in any way condone the corruption of the military industrial complex because that's a gigantic problem in this country, a huge problem.
01:46:08.000Saddle down kids with just debt they can never get free of.
01:46:13.000The only debt that we allow in this country that could never, never get out of.
01:46:18.000You can get bankrupt from a lot of different things, but you don't ever get excused from those loans.
01:46:24.000That was one of the things I'm not proud about that I wrote in the book because, but the student debt was when I turned 21, and I was just my sophomore year in college.
01:46:39.000My dad said, You're 21, okay, here you go.
01:46:43.000He took a checkbook, he wrote a check, he gave me $10,000.
01:47:41.000For 30 years, dad would look at all of my other brothers and say, Your brother Michael never asked me for anything, anything in his life after that.0.99
01:47:52.000And you guys, and he would just drill these poor bastards, my brothers, about that.0.97
01:47:57.000And finally, about 30 years later, I said, Dad, I got to tell you something.0.99
01:48:40.000And that was how I got through, you know, the rest of the expense of my school.
01:48:45.000Did it a couple of times and that got me through.0.59
01:48:49.000But I said, I got to tell you the story, Dad, because, you know, you're beating the shit out of my younger brothers and everything about, you know, I never asked you for anything.0.97
01:49:14.000I mean, you must have been like, it's very profitable to do that.
01:49:17.000Well, I remember it was like a kilo was $75 out west, and you could sell it for $500 or $600, $700 back east.
01:49:29.000But, you know, things were beginning to get, you know, that was with the whole hippie thing.0.98
01:49:36.000All of a sudden, you know, ex cons were coming out of jail and saying, hey, man, grow your hair long, you know, go to, you hate Ashbury, you can fuck any girls you want, they give you free food.0.98
01:49:48.000And then, you know, it got infiltrated.0.99
01:49:50.000And the drug dealings started getting violent.
01:49:53.000Violent and uglier and a little heavier.
01:51:10.000So I dropped whatever we had and was going to the concert.
01:51:17.000I made a left turn, and all of a sudden, almost was there, my car driving, and all of a sudden, I can see the red lights are going, and I go, oh man.
01:52:22.000One of the things that I found out when I was getting ready for this that I didn't know before was that you produced One Flew Over the Cougu's Nest.
01:54:52.000The history of Cuckoo's Nest, and I see this guy named Saul Zantz, who has a record company in Berkeley, California, called Fantasy Records, who had expressed interest about the project.
01:57:49.000And he was just such a mensch about it.0.58
01:57:55.000But over every few years, you know, when dad had a couple of pops, he said, I could have done that, you know, I could have done that picture and all of that.
01:58:08.000But for me, it was crazy because The Streets of San Francisco was a big hit.
01:58:27.000And then it was syndicated all over the world.
01:58:31.000So when I went to them and said, let me get this straight, you're going to leave, this is the fifth, you're going to leave this hit series to make this little, to produce, not even acting, to produce this little indie film.
01:58:52.000But what had happened is all the 104 hours, 104 episodes, 104 hours of television I'd done with Carl Malden, a wonderful actor, I had learned so much about production and everything that I was shocked when the picture came about how much I really knew.
02:00:59.000And, you know, it was such a lesson, Joe, because we didn't want to, well, we were casting the picture, you know, and Glenn Close, who already had three Academy Award nominations to her name, you know, really wanted to do it.
02:01:14.000We all said, no, she's just not right.
02:01:16.000We didn't even think she was sexy enough or this or that.0.97
02:01:20.000And finally, her agent called and said, listen, Glenn Close will come in and audition for you.0.98
02:01:26.000I went, holy shit, this is a three time Academy Award nominee.0.98
02:01:29.000She'll come in and audition for us.0.99
02:01:31.000And she came in and she had that part down in Alex.
02:02:57.000Well, Glenn Close's character was such a complex character because it was this very strange dance of sexy and crazy and dangerous, like really dangerous.
02:05:11.000So finally, I say, Glenn, she's a wonderful theater actress, too.
02:05:15.000I say, Glenn, when you do a Broadway show, they take the show out of town and before it comes to Broadway, and they play the play, and then based on audience reaction, They rewrite things, right?
02:05:34.000So if this was a play and we did this and you saw that scene, they would tell us if it was a play right out of town and we would have to change it.
02:05:47.000So this is why I never understood people have this whole criticism about screening movies, doing test screening audiences.
02:07:42.000In most of my adult life, I found this weird struggle between men and women in this century in terms of us trying to find out our proper roles or who we are.0.53
02:07:56.000Even on basic instinct, on basic instinct, all of a sudden we think we're shooting this movie up in San Francisco, and we get a protest from the LGBT community.0.93
02:08:51.000So we ended up shooting scenes up in San Francisco with 40 SWAT officers surrounding the whole block to hold off the protests from us of the shooting.