The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #266 - Rich Roll

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00:04:17.000 Rich Roll is here. 1.00

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00:04:20.000 Finna get down to the bottom of this thing. 0.87

00:04:23.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:04:26.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. 0.99

00:04:29.000 Well, when I did a podcast with Rob Wolf, who was the paleo diet guy, one of the first things that happened was that I got an immediate influx of vegans who had to set Rob Wolf straight because Rob Wolf said some crazy shit.

00:04:51.000 Like, I told him I drank a kale shake every morning and it makes me feel great, gives me a lot of energy. 0.90

00:04:55.000 He's like, no, you gotta eat bacon and eggs.

00:04:57.000 And cigarettes and coffee. 1.00

00:04:59.000 You gotta get your dick sucked by truckers. 1.00

00:05:01.000 He was my superhero. 1.00

00:05:02.000 Yeah, he said some awesome shit that you should have bacon, eggs, and coffee in the morning. 0.99

00:05:07.000 And that's a good way to get your day started. 0.99

00:05:10.000 A lot of people didn't want to hear that. 0.75

00:05:13.000 A lot of people felt that was silly.

00:05:14.000 And you were one of the people that contacted me.

00:05:16.000 And then I looked up your story.

00:05:18.000 And it's pretty fascinating, man.

00:05:21.000 You were like around 40 and you were out of shape.

00:05:26.000 I had been an athlete in college, I was a swimmer in college, but it kind of got away from me after that.

00:05:32.000 When college is over, that was kind of the end of that athletic chapter.

00:05:37.000 Life goes on and I went to law school and then it's just about the job and getting married and having kids and climbing the corporate ladder and all that kind of stuff.

00:05:46.000 In the wake of that, I lost sight of Being fit and being healthy and was pretty much a couch potato.

00:05:54.000 Depressed, lethargic, a little bit lost in life.

00:05:57.000 You know how it goes.

00:05:58.000 So I decided I had to take it back.

00:06:01.000 I had a little bit of a health scare that kind of triggered me to do something about it.

00:06:07.000 And so what action did you take specifically?

00:06:11.000 Well, I mean, I wish I could, you know, say I ran off to the library and got a bunch of books and, you know, read all the paleo books and read all the vegan books and did a double blind study with people with double blindfolds on and, you know, figured out the right way to do it. 0.55

00:06:24.000 And, you know, that's not what happened.

00:06:25.000 I mean, I fumbled around for a while trying to figure out what would work for me.

00:06:30.000 But the first thing I did, My wife is like she's big into yoga and healing and meditation and she's like you know she's constantly reading like crazy spiritual texts and you know she's pretty well schooled in alternative thinking and lifestyle and all that kind of stuff and you know if you were to open the refrigerator is pretty clear like kind of food she was eating and what I was eating which was essentially crap so but she would do like a juice cleanse pretty much every year you know and That

00:07:00.000 was fine for her, but that was definitely not something that I was ever interested in doing.

00:07:05.000 But, you know, I was kind of desperate, and I thought, you know, maybe I'll try that.

00:07:10.000 And so I just sort of reached out to her, and I said, yeah, I think I want to do that.

00:07:13.000 And she hooked me up with...

00:07:15.000 We got all these crazy herbs, and, you know, we got a juicer and the whole thing, and kind of dialed it in.

00:07:21.000 And, you know, I did that for, like, five days.

00:07:23.000 Kind of a...

00:07:23.000 Not like the...

00:07:25.000 You know, in Hollywood, a lot of people do like the cayenne pepper thing or whatever and lemon juice.

00:07:29.000 Yeah, I mean, that's like a starvation thing.

00:07:31.000 So it wasn't like that.

00:07:32.000 It was like I kind of weaned myself off food for a couple days and just did juice for a couple days and then kind of leaned back into food.

00:07:39.000 But It was a pretty eye-opening experience.

00:07:42.000 The first couple days, it was like I was in rehab, man. 0.99

00:07:46.000 Just buckled over on the couch, detoxing, just feeling like shit. 0.99

00:07:50.000 I could barely move. 0.98

00:07:51.000 What was your diet like before that?

00:07:52.000 What was standard cheeseburgers?

00:07:55.000 Yeah, fast food all the time, man.

00:07:58.000 Domino's Pizza, Pizza Hut, Wendy's, Jack in the Box, late at night coming home from work.

00:08:03.000 It didn't matter.

00:08:04.000 Part of that was because When I was swimming in college, I'm training like four hours a day and you're 19, 20 years old or whatever.

00:08:13.000 It was just about how many calories can I put down the throat and trying to fill myself up.

00:08:18.000 It didn't really matter.

00:08:20.000 You can get away with that stuff.

00:08:22.000 I did for a long time, but it catches up to you.

00:08:24.000 But those habits, you form those habits that carry with you and they're hard to break.

00:08:30.000 Yeah, we really are a creature of habit.

00:08:32.000 It's a strange thing that even bad habits like gambling, like people that become gambling addicts, it really is some sort of like a Like a hijacking of your reward systems.

00:08:43.000 For sure.

00:08:44.000 Giving you this rush towards something that really doesn't make any sense.

00:08:48.000 And there's also the comfort factor that comes in repeating patterns.

00:08:52.000 It's like your brain knows how to do it.

00:08:53.000 It's done it before. 1.00

00:08:54.000 Let's stop fucking around. 1.00

00:08:55.000 Just keep doing the same shit you've been doing. 1.00

00:08:57.000 And just blow off the gym and take a nap and go beat off. 1.00

00:09:01.000 And just do the same stupid shit you've been doing. 1.00

00:09:03.000 It's really hard for people to move away from that. 1.00

00:09:07.000 Yeah, you get these, like, cemented pathways in your brain, and it's just your default.

00:09:11.000 Like, I think, you know, with certain behavior patterns, after a while, you don't even know you're doing it.

00:09:17.000 You're just like, it's like your program, like a computer.

00:09:19.000 You just follow that pattern every time.

00:09:21.000 And change is hard, man.

00:09:22.000 It is hard. 0.99

00:09:23.000 And it's also, it's hard to find a healthy meal at, like, fucking Burger King or Jack in the Box. 0.98

00:09:29.000 It's hard to go in there and really get some nutrients. 0.98

00:09:32.000 Yeah, it's not going to happen.

00:09:34.000 Yeah, I mean, you look, you got a salad?

00:09:36.000 You got a salad over there?

00:09:37.000 And you look at the salad, and you're like, oh, Jesus.

00:09:39.000 It's all, like, iceberg lettuce.

00:09:40.000 It's all wilted.

00:09:41.000 And everything's closed early here in LA, so if you're working late and coming home, sometimes it's the only option.

00:09:48.000 Subway's my lifesaver.

00:09:49.000 Yeah, subways.

00:09:52.000 All that stuff that they can keep on a shelf for that long, none of that is good for you.

00:09:58.000 It's way better, I would imagine, if you just got a chicken sandwich or turkey.

00:10:03.000 Like on Whole Wheat or something like that.

00:10:04.000 They need more drive-thru subways, if they even have any at all, but that would be perfect. 0.99

00:10:10.000 This dude's talking to you about some serious fucking vegetable nutrition. 0.98

00:10:15.000 Subway would be awesome. 0.99

00:10:17.000 You want to find the healthier options.

00:10:20.000 I can't imagine the produce that Subway...

00:10:24.000 You're such a huge corporation. 1.00

00:10:25.000 You're getting the low rent shit. 1.00

00:10:27.000 You cannot fuck with In-N-Out Burger, man. 1.00

00:10:29.000 If you had some really sexy tofu lettuce wrap thing that you were selling, but right next door was In-N-Out Burger, you're doomed, son. 1.00

00:10:37.000 It's tough, man.

00:10:38.000 It goes back to those pathways.

00:10:40.000 You smell it.

00:10:42.000 It's like a pheromone.

00:10:43.000 It's powerful. 0.99

00:10:44.000 It also goes back to the fact that In-N-Out is fucking delicious. 0.98

00:10:47.000 That's a problem, too. 1.00

00:10:48.000 You can't deny that shit's delicious. 1.00

00:10:50.000 Hey, man, I did it for years and years and years. 1.00

00:10:52.000 Yeah, especially In-N-Out.

00:10:54.000 Those fresh burgers are so much better than burgers at some place where they nuke it.

00:10:59.000 Didn't they just have, like, a little bit of a scandal there, though, with some of their meat?

00:11:04.000 Did they?

00:11:04.000 They screwed up.

00:11:05.000 Yeah, I thought I remembered reading something about that.

00:11:07.000 I don't know.

00:11:08.000 This might be vegan propaganda.

00:11:10.000 Yeah.

00:11:11.000 It probably wasn't like the Zankoo murders.

00:11:14.000 Remember the Zankoo murders?

00:11:15.000 I don't want the death squad coming down on me like a ton of bricks, man.

00:11:18.000 My Twitter already exploded. 1.00

00:11:20.000 Your fans are fucking rabid, man. 0.99

00:11:21.000 I mean, it's intense. 0.99

00:11:23.000 You have an intense following.

00:11:24.000 Yeah, I don't know what happened. 1.00

00:11:26.000 God damn. 1.00

00:11:28.000 Do you ever want to go to war? 1.00

00:11:30.000 You just rally the troops.

00:11:32.000 Well, we're trying to build armies.

00:11:33.000 That's why we're selling kettlebells.

00:11:35.000 We're selling kettlebells and battle ropes and selling vitamins and brain pills and subscribing to YouTube videos.

00:11:43.000 Yeah, you were right.

00:11:44.000 Their In-N-Out Burger plant got closed by a USDA-supplied, or rather, yeah, the inspectors.

00:11:55.000 Temporary shutdown.

00:11:56.000 California meat company that provided the beef for the popular In-N-Out Burger chain.

00:12:00.000 Ew, that's not good.

00:12:02.000 No propaganda here, man.

00:12:03.000 And also, of course, it's always good to have the information.

00:12:07.000 I say things all the time and I need to check them, so I do it when anybody else says something, too.

00:12:11.000 But the U.S. School Lunch Program, they also provided food for them.

00:12:15.000 Ew.

00:12:16.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:12:16.000 Who fucking... 1.00

00:12:17.000 Listen, if you're sourcing that much beef, you know, you're a huge company like that, you're going to have a problem like that from time to time. 0.99

00:12:24.000 Yeah, there's a lot of cows involved in that, huh? 1.00

00:12:26.000 What are the numbers in something like that?

00:12:28.000 I don't know.

00:12:28.000 It's got to be enormous.

00:12:30.000 Diane Sawyer looks pissed as fuck. 1.00

00:12:32.000 That's the last person you want on TV. No, Nancy Grace is the last person you want on TV talking shit about you. 1.00

00:12:39.000 Angry-faced. 0.99

00:12:40.000 But how many cows do you think they use, just in and out, a small chain, like in and out?

00:12:45.000 How many do they use in a day?

00:12:46.000 It's got to be mind-blowing.

00:12:48.000 Yeah, whoa.

00:12:49.000 Really stop and think about that.

00:12:51.000 It's like the Holocaust of cows over there.

00:12:53.000 Well, you know what it is, man?

00:12:54.000 We figured out how to make this society work without people hunting.

00:12:59.000 This weird notion that we have zero connection with how the food is gathered... 0.97

00:13:05.000 Like, that's a really fucking crazy way to live. 0.71

00:13:08.000 So everybody's like, yeah, I'd like meat. 0.99

00:13:10.000 Yeah, I'd like meat.

00:13:10.000 But you don't have to do any of the stuff that makes you respect the animal.

00:13:14.000 You don't have to hunt it down.

00:13:15.000 You don't have to kill it.

00:13:16.000 You don't have to, like, be thankful that you got it and bring it back.

00:13:19.000 There's none of that anymore.

00:13:20.000 Well, the system is set up to prevent you from thinking about it.

00:13:23.000 You know, it's almost like grocery stores in a certain way.

00:13:26.000 It's analogous to, like, a Vegas casino where, you know, the casinos, they don't have...

00:13:29.000 They're pumping the air conditioning in.

00:13:31.000 You can't find the exit door.

00:13:31.000 There's no clocks.

00:13:33.000 It's disorienting.

00:13:34.000 In the same way, like a grocery store, everything's perfectly packaged.

00:13:37.000 It looks clean.

00:13:38.000 You're not supposed to think about that.

00:13:41.000 I was at a grocery store that has a butcher shop in the back, and they were sawing through a side of beef.

00:13:48.000 And you don't really see that.

00:13:50.000 You know, you really rarely see that.

00:13:52.000 You know, what usually you get is you get like, you know, they have these packages and the steak is very nice and wrapped up.

00:13:59.000 And you go, this one is a...

00:14:00.000 A full pound.

00:14:01.000 That's a good-sized steak.

00:14:03.000 No, no, no.

00:14:03.000 I'll take that home.

00:14:04.000 This dude had a saw, and he was running meat through the saw.

00:14:07.000 I was like, yo, that's real life, son.

00:14:09.000 That's a body.

00:14:11.000 It's not like a steak.

00:14:12.000 There's a body that has to get chopped up and become steak.

00:14:15.000 And we're so separated from that actual experience of seeing the animal lose its life and understanding what it means to eat it.

00:14:24.000 We're completely separated from it.

00:14:26.000 It's really strange.

00:14:27.000 Imagine if your job was the guy in the slaughterhouse, like, doing that.

00:14:30.000 He's cutting the throats or whatever.

00:14:31.000 I mean, that's got to take an emotional toll. 0.66

00:14:33.000 It's got to be madness.

00:14:34.000 It's got to be madness.

00:14:35.000 All day, you're seeing terrified animals, and you're giving them the very thing that they're terrified of.

00:14:41.000 They're terrified of losing their lives. 0.99

00:14:43.000 It's fucking horrifying. 0.99

00:14:45.000 Yeah, it's weird, man. 0.99

00:14:46.000 And I think, you know...

00:14:49.000 You know, I think you can appreciate this as a deep thinker, but, you know, food is energy, man.

00:14:54.000 It carries a vibration.

00:14:56.000 And so when you put something in your mouth and, you know, you're making a decision to take that vibration into you.

00:15:01.000 And so, you know, what is that vibration?

00:15:04.000 You know, when you're taking in A terrorized animal, does that affect you?

00:15:07.000 Does that change your perception, your decision-making, your outlook?

00:15:12.000 Does it not?

00:15:13.000 I don't know.

00:15:14.000 It's a very good question.

00:15:15.000 The solution, though, it seems to be it's not as simple as don't eat meat. 0.99

00:15:21.000 Because even if you don't eat meat, what are you going to do with all these fucking cows? 0.99

00:15:24.000 Are you going to stop them from breeding? 1.00

00:15:26.000 Are you going to let them starve to death and die off? 0.97

00:15:28.000 Are they going to go extinct?

00:15:29.000 How are we going to regulate these cows? 1.00

00:15:31.000 You're either going to shoot them or you're going to castrate a bunch of them You're going to have to shoot some of them, because otherwise you're going to have cows wandering through the streets everywhere. 0.99

00:15:39.000 You've got to deal with the fact that you've created a species, essentially we've bred cows to this domestic form from wild cows. 1.00

00:15:51.000 And, you know, we've done it for so long that they're pretty much helpless without us.

00:15:56.000 It'd be mad cows. 1.00

00:15:57.000 Yeah, there's no predators out there. 0.99

00:15:58.000 It's not like we live in fucking Africa and there's lions running around to take care of the cow problem. 0.99

00:16:03.000 It's not going to happen. 0.99

00:16:05.000 You would have a real problem with cows if we stopped eating them. 0.99

00:16:09.000 Just the fucking sheer numbers that exist now. 0.98

00:16:12.000 I mean, unless you could absolutely keep them from breeding, and then you would have to figure out what you're going to do. 1.00

00:16:17.000 Are you going to just let the old ones die?

00:16:19.000 Are you going to let some of them breed? 0.72

00:16:21.000 You know, what are you going to do?

00:16:22.000 I don't know.

00:16:22.000 You're going to have to figure that out.

00:16:24.000 There's no easy solution.

00:16:26.000 Yes, but the vegan solution of not eating the meat at least removes karma from your position.

00:16:32.000 It removes you from interacting with the terrified animals last moments and for you to be, I don't want to say profiting, benefiting from that.

00:16:42.000 Well, I don't know.

00:16:43.000 I mean, you know, I just speak to my own experience, you know, and I know I feel better.

00:16:47.000 I feel, you know, more energized.

00:16:48.000 I feel like my energy is even and good.

00:16:51.000 My mood and my outlook is positive.

00:16:54.000 And I think that, you know, when you talk about vegan and the word vegan and what that means, I mean, that means different things to different people.

00:17:03.000 You know, it's a tricky word.

00:17:04.000 You know what it means to a lot of people? 1.00

00:17:07.000 What, it means fuck you? 0.99

00:17:09.000 No, it means you run the high risk of them being annoying. 1.00

00:17:15.000 It doesn't mean that they're annoying.

00:17:17.000 I have a lot of vegan friends that are awesome.

00:17:20.000 It's true.

00:17:21.000 Like Mac Danzig is a vegan and he's a great guy.

00:17:23.000 He's a great guy.

00:17:24.000 By the way, he's going to be on the podcast tomorrow. 0.96

00:17:26.000 Again, we fucked up and a big disaster. 1.00

00:17:29.000 I can't wait for this podcast just so my Twitter feed won't be like, Brian, stop being a lazy fuck! 1.00

00:17:35.000 Yeah, people are so silly. 1.00

00:17:36.000 No, Mac's a great guy. 0.97

00:17:38.000 He's an awesome guy.

00:17:39.000 But he's got his reasons and their intelligent reasons for being a vegan.

00:17:44.000 However, there are a few people that do it as like a sanctimonious starting point.

00:17:48.000 They do it as like they're claiming a moral high ground with this new position.

00:17:54.000 And they flaunt it in this really annoying, self-satisfying, kind of in-your-face way.

00:18:01.000 It's defeatist for what they're trying to say as well.

00:18:04.000 And I think that it's a very emotionally charged work.

00:18:08.000 I mean, food in general...

00:18:10.000 Might as well be religious. 0.66

00:18:11.000 Talking about food in general is emotionally charged.

00:18:13.000 I mean, just look at...

00:18:14.000 The Twitter feed is going to explode over this, and that's a good barometer of that.

00:18:20.000 You know, it's right up there with religion and politics.

00:18:23.000 It really is.

00:18:24.000 And when you say vegan, it immediately, you know, people snap into a preconceived idea of what that is and what that means, and they have a visual image of a person in their mind.

00:18:33.000 You know, it's a guy with dreadlocks kicking a hacky sack up in Humboldt.

00:18:37.000 Always blowing a guy while they're eating a salad.

00:18:40.000 Yeah, I mean, whatever it is, somebody has that image already.

00:18:43.000 So that word And people have different reasons for getting into it.

00:18:49.000 The people who are into it for the compassion and saving the animals, that's a very different crowd and attitude from the people that get into it for health reasons or because they don't want to have a heart attack or whatever.

00:19:03.000 I guess are technically vegans, but they're also, you know, very different.

00:19:08.000 And just because you choose to not eat meat or whatever, does that mean that you're automatically a Democrat?

00:19:13.000 Or, you know, what is your political point of view?

00:19:15.000 And all these things get woven together and it makes it challenging, you know, to even talk about it with an open mind, I think.

00:19:23.000 Yeah, it is a quite interesting situation.

00:19:26.000 And there is the very real issue of the fact that we are at the top of the food chain.

00:19:31.000 And when you're at the top of the food chain, it bears some responsibility.

00:19:35.000 And you can, you know, we're the only animals that can really decide and choose how to alter other animals' lives, like, on purpose and figure out how to do it.

00:19:44.000 And when you look at how we choose to do it, if you look at, like, food, ink, and you see factory farming and stuff like that, it really is a damning statement about, like, where we're at.

00:19:56.000 Like spiritually, like as a race. 0.97

00:19:58.000 Like we're getting away with this really heinous shit because we can because it's easy to just not pay attention to it. 0.99

00:20:06.000 And that's the worst case scenario. 0.99

00:20:10.000 Like the best case scenario you would think they have it set up so these animals live like they're on an open prairie and they all just live a natural life and then you cull them from the herd.

00:20:22.000 Right.

00:20:22.000 And you do it, you know, easily.

00:20:24.000 So they live a natural life, no different than any other cow, in a large environment where they get to roam around and eat grass instead of being force-fed corn. 0.99

00:20:31.000 And then you just kill them.

00:20:33.000 I mean, that's like the best case scenario if you're going to eat cows. 0.99

00:20:36.000 But the way we do it, it's pretty damning that human beings in the idea of maximizing profit Have decided to run these ridiculous places where you're packing pigs right next to each other in these little boxes.

00:20:50.000 And you see the chickens all stuffed in together with each other and pecking at each other. 0.99

00:20:54.000 It's fucking gnarly, man. 0.99

00:20:56.000 Yeah, when you see Food Inc. 0.99

00:20:58.000 and you see the chicken coops, it's pretty disturbing.

00:21:02.000 And you make that connection.

00:21:04.000 Because, you know, it's easy to go, well, chicken's the healthier option or whatever.

00:21:08.000 And then you see that and it makes you think twice.

00:21:10.000 But I also think...

00:21:11.000 You know, we've created this system that ultimately is not sustainable.

00:21:15.000 I mean, like, an insane amount of our agriculture goes to, you know, produce grain to feed livestock.

00:21:22.000 Like, something like 90% or something like that.

00:21:24.000 Is it really?

00:21:24.000 It's crazy high.

00:21:25.000 90%?

00:21:26.000 Crazy high.

00:21:27.000 And, you know, with the...

00:21:29.000 And then it brings up all the ecological arguments about greenhouse gases and all that kind of stuff. 0.99

00:21:35.000 Oh, they fart up a fucking storm. 1.00

00:21:37.000 Those goddamn animals ruined India. 1.00

00:21:39.000 Do you know they do? 1.00

00:21:41.000 They cause global warming. 0.99

00:21:43.000 No bullshit. 0.99

00:21:43.000 From farting? 0.99

00:21:44.000 Yes. 0.98

00:21:45.000 Dude, it's not bullshit. 1.00

00:21:46.000 It sounds silly, but they fart so much. 1.00

00:21:49.000 You're dealing with in India, you have so many fucking cows that they really have pollution issues because of cows farting in the air. 0.99

00:21:57.000 I heard the grass-fed beef farts even more. 1.00

00:22:00.000 Really?

00:22:01.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:22:03.000 Well, that makes sense because India would be much more grass-fed, right?

00:22:05.000 And they're the ones who have the big issue.

00:22:07.000 But they also have the issue that they don't kill cows, or at least the Hindus do. 1.00

00:22:11.000 You apparently can buy beef in India.

00:22:13.000 It's not uncommon. 0.99

00:22:14.000 It's just there's a huge group of them that won't fuck with the cows. 0.99

00:22:17.000 Is that why they don't wear deodorant so it smells like armpits more than poop and farts? 0.99

00:22:24.000 It's like you're building your own force field.

00:22:26.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:22:27.000 Your own body smell. 1.00

00:22:29.000 Cancel out the shit smell in the air. 1.00

00:22:30.000 Yeah, that's like way better than fucking shit. 1.00

00:22:32.000 Yeah, man, that's like the worst case scenario. 1.00

00:22:35.000 You're living around animals who stink up the air constantly with their fart gas. 0.81

00:22:41.000 And you can't kill them. 1.00

00:22:42.000 Because dog farts are fucking nasty. 1.00

00:22:44.000 Like, so, big cow farts? 0.99

00:22:46.000 That's way...

00:22:46.000 I'd be sniffing armpits all day long.

00:22:48.000 You're hungry, and, you know, there's people starving, and they're just letting these delicious cows just wander around. 0.99

00:22:54.000 How the fuck did that ever happen? 0.97

00:22:57.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:22:58.000 I think it goes back to religion. 1.00

00:22:59.000 What a bunch of silly bitches they are in India. 1.00

00:23:01.000 That is one of the silliest choices ever. 1.00

00:23:04.000 What do you want to do? 1.00

00:23:05.000 You want to starve to death or you want to eat these fucking delicious cows? 1.00

00:23:08.000 Let's just sit around and smell their farts and complain and have more people. 1.00

00:23:12.000 It's cultural mores though. 0.60

00:23:13.000 There are cultures that think that we're insane for having dogs in our houses.

00:23:18.000 It's true.

00:23:19.000 Yeah, it's interesting how we just sort of adopt a pattern of behavior based on our surroundings and what's existed in that area.

00:23:26.000 Yeah, for the Indians, I guess, is the cow is sacred in the Hindu culture?

00:23:31.000 Is it a god or something like that?

00:23:31.000 Is that what it is?

00:23:32.000 Or relatives come back to life or something?

00:23:34.000 Yeah.

00:23:36.000 Well, no.

00:23:37.000 When I worked at an Indian company, I had a steering wheel.

00:23:40.000 Me and my ex-girlfriend used to share a car, and her steering wheel cover was a cow... 0.98

00:23:46.000 Right.

00:23:47.000 And they saw me drive up to that and I had a meeting and they told me to please remove that from their steering wheel because they respect cows.

00:23:56.000 What?

00:23:57.000 Really?

00:23:58.000 It was called the Software People.

00:23:58.000 At an Indian company.

00:24:00.000 Oh, wow.

00:24:01.000 Well, you showed up with like murdered skin on your steering wheel.

00:24:04.000 They were like, oh, please, just be nice.

00:24:08.000 Wow.

00:24:10.000 That's got to be weird.

00:24:12.000 What a strange thing to just choose to really worship and lock onto.

00:24:16.000 But it shows you.

00:24:17.000 That's what they did in India. 0.86

00:24:19.000 Some place else it was Buddha.

00:24:20.000 Some place else it was Jesus.

00:24:23.000 We're so fascinated when it comes to that.

00:24:25.000 Human beings are really, really bizarre animals.

00:24:28.000 So your story was that you were an athlete and then you got unhealthy and then you had a little bit of a health scare.

00:24:36.000 So that's when you decided to go vegan?

00:24:38.000 Yeah, so I did that juice cleanse and by the fifth day of that I just felt unbelievable.

00:24:45.000 My energy level was through the roof and all I'd been doing was drinking fruit and vegetable juice and drinking this beetroot broth and some teas and stuff like that.

00:24:56.000 It was amazing because I had abused my body for so long with terrible food and terrible lifestyle.

00:25:04.000 I'm also a recovering alcoholic, so I used to drink a shitload.

00:25:09.000 You hit it on both ends.

00:25:10.000 Yeah, I was hitting it hard.

00:25:12.000 I did not treat myself well.

00:25:14.000 The idea that within five days I could feel that good.

00:25:17.000 I didn't know that I could feel that good or I hadn't felt that good in 15, 20 years.

00:25:22.000 It's pretty amazing.

00:25:23.000 The body is incredibly resilient when you treat it right.

00:25:28.000 When I was done with that, I thought, well, what am I going to do?

00:25:31.000 I want to keep feeling this good, but I don't know what to do next.

00:25:37.000 Again, I wish I had gone out and read a bunch of books or something.

00:25:41.000 But I just thought, maybe I'll try a vegetarian diet.

00:25:45.000 Like, I didn't do any education or research, but it just seemed like, well, that sounds, you know, healthy or healthier than what I'm doing.

00:25:51.000 But kind of coming from an addiction perspective and a recovery perspective, like I went to rehab 14 years ago, and so a lot of like the way, like I sort of rewired my brain and the way I think is kind of in the context of addiction and recovery.

00:26:06.000 It just seemed like something I could wrap my brain around because You're either eating meat or you're not.

00:26:13.000 It's very black and white.

00:26:15.000 You're using drugs and you're drinking or you're not.

00:26:18.000 You're either sober or you're using.

00:26:21.000 That made more sense to me than, hey, I'm going to eat better.

00:26:24.000 I'm just going to eat healthy and go to the gym because it's so vague.

00:26:27.000 I don't know what that means.

00:26:28.000 Maybe I would for a week or two, but I would definitely fall back into my regular old behavior pattern. 0.99

00:26:36.000 So I started doing that, but it wasn't long before, you know, I'm looking for the loopholes or whatever, because you can eat like shit on a vegetarian diet. 1.00

00:26:44.000 You can eat like shit on a vegan diet. 0.99

00:26:45.000 So, you know, I could, I could eat Pizza Hut cheese pizza and get nachos and, you know, eat McDonald's French fries and I'm a vegetarian, right? 1.00

00:26:53.000 So certainly, you know, that wasn't working, but I did that for like six months and of course, you know, didn't lose any weight.

00:26:59.000 I was about 50 pounds heavier than I am now.

00:27:02.000 I was kind of back on the couch and lethargic.

00:27:05.000 I was ready to just bag it, but I thought I wonder what would happen if I just went that extra step and got rid of the dairy and cut out the processed foods.

00:27:13.000 I didn't really think it would make a difference.

00:27:16.000 I almost did it to prove that it wouldn't or to prove to my wife that it wouldn't work so I could keep doing what I was doing and be guilt free about it.

00:27:26.000 So I tried that, and within a week, I was back to that energy level that I felt when I did the cleanse.

00:27:32.000 My energy level was through the roof.

00:27:34.000 It was so high that I could only sleep a couple hours a night, and I was bouncing off the walls.

00:27:40.000 Yeah, it really did.

00:27:40.000 Really?

00:27:42.000 It really did.

00:27:44.000 It made a huge difference.

00:27:45.000 And I think getting rid of the dairy made a much bigger...

00:27:49.000 Not eating the meat wasn't that hard for me, but getting rid of the dairy in my diet, that was a lot harder.

00:27:54.000 That was almost like another detox, because dairy is in so many foods.

00:28:00.000 And I crave it, man.

00:28:02.000 I love it.

00:28:03.000 So it was very difficult to kind of break that behavior pattern.

00:28:05.000 Do you have cheat days?

00:28:07.000 I don't have cheat days.

00:28:08.000 So your attitude is essentially the same attitude that you have about recovery.

00:28:15.000 Yeah, because, well, that's the thing, like, I know, you know, like, Tim Ferriss is big on the cheat day with his slow carb and all of that, and it seems to work for a lot of people, and it makes sense.

00:28:24.000 For me, like, for me, it's about, it goes back to, like, the addiction model, because I do crave this stuff, man, and I know if I had a cheeseburger, like, once a week, I'd start eating cheeseburgers all the time.

00:28:36.000 Because you break the cycle and now I don't think about it that much.

00:28:40.000 Every once in a while I'll smell it and it smells good to me.

00:28:42.000 But I don't go around craving it all the time.

00:28:45.000 But if I was to have it every once in a while, then you're still fertilizing that little seed.

00:28:51.000 I respect that Anthony Bourdain loves pork so much.

00:28:55.000 He loves pork so much that they gave him the option of quit eating pork or take medicine to lower your blood pressure and your cholesterol, rather.

00:29:04.000 And he took the medicine. 1.00

00:29:07.000 I said, I'll take the fucking medicine. 1.00

00:29:08.000 I need pork. 1.00

00:29:09.000 He talked about it on the show, like being addicted to food.

00:29:13.000 For him, it's pork.

00:29:14.000 Fatty pork.

00:29:15.000 He's willing to sacrifice his health because he likes to eat pork.

00:29:19.000 I mean, that's pretty heavy, man. 0.99

00:29:21.000 It's pretty fucking intense. 0.91

00:29:23.000 Yeah, and I don't know how good that anti-cholesterol medication is for you. 0.90

00:29:28.000 Is that okay for you?

00:29:29.000 The statins.

00:29:30.000 I mean, you know, there's plenty of side effects from that.

00:29:36.000 I would imagine there has to be, right?

00:29:37.000 There are a crazy number of people that are on these drugs, and it's amazing the extent to which...

00:29:43.000 The healthcare system, you know, the doctors just, you know, they just knee jerk prescribed this stuff.

00:29:49.000 And they're not that educated about nutrition, whether it's paleo or vegan or whatever.

00:29:54.000 It's not really part of the medical school curriculum.

00:29:57.000 I've been shocked.

00:29:59.000 Talking to doctors about nutrition.

00:30:01.000 I've been shocked having conversations with doctors.

00:30:04.000 And it's not their fault.

00:30:04.000 Very, very few are.

00:30:05.000 Like, you know, they're studying all sorts of stuff.

00:30:07.000 And you know, maybe there's an elective here or there, like one required course that they have to take, but they're not really that schooled.

00:30:14.000 And in our system, we're, we're sort of grown and raised to believe that, you know, doctor knows best.

00:30:19.000 And you go to the doctor and the doctor knows everything.

00:30:21.000 And it's kind of alarming and eye opening to realize that that's not necessarily the case, at least with respect to nutrition.

00:30:28.000 There should most certainly be a doctor of nutrition that you go to.

00:30:33.000 A doctor who is a full-fledged doctor at the top of all the information that's available today.

00:30:41.000 He's on top of all of it.

00:30:42.000 And his job is just to check your blood.

00:30:45.000 And give you a detailed write-up of what's wrong with you nutritionally.

00:30:50.000 You don't have any B12 in your body.

00:30:52.000 You don't have this in your body.

00:30:54.000 You're missing niacin.

00:30:55.000 Whatever it is that he could show you what your optimum levels of your various nutrients should be.

00:31:00.000 Very, very, very few people No, and they do exist, but that should be part of your physical.

00:31:08.000 Yeah, it should be a regular thing.

00:31:11.000 I talk about it on this show all the time, how much it changed me when I started drinking kale shakes in the morning.

00:31:18.000 And I'm not vegan.

00:31:20.000 I still drink milk.

00:31:22.000 I eat meat.

00:31:24.000 But in massively increasing the amount of plant nutrients I get into my body, and especially it seems like starting my day with them, I usually don't eat right when I wake up.

00:31:38.000 I like to exercise sometimes or just get up and do some stuff, and then I'll eat.

00:31:42.000 And my first meal is always really light.

00:31:45.000 It's always either some sort of a hemp protein shake or it's this kale shake thing that I have. 0.88

00:31:52.000 But the difference is the kale shake gives me this fucking steady energy. 0.76

00:31:58.000 I can feel my body responding to the nutrients. 0.97

00:32:02.000 You can literally feel it. 1.00

00:32:04.000 And the only negative about it at all is that you have to shit more. 1.00

00:32:09.000 But that's just like cleaning out your pipes. 0.99

00:32:11.000 And you actually look forward to it.

00:32:13.000 Because they're wonderful.

00:32:15.000 These poops are like a ride. 1.00

00:32:18.000 You can feel it in the way that when you have that first cup of coffee and you can feel your spine getting tickled by the caffeine.

00:32:26.000 It's like a similar thing.

00:32:29.000 It jacks you up.

00:32:30.000 I could not live without the Vitamix.

00:32:33.000 It's amazing.

00:32:35.000 When we go out of town, we travel with it. 0.52

00:32:38.000 You're an animal. 0.99

00:32:39.000 Good for you. 0.99

00:32:40.000 It's such a part of your life.

00:32:42.000 It's amazing.

00:32:43.000 It's a heavy thing because it's expensive, right?

00:32:47.000 Things like 500 bucks, 450 bucks or whatever.

00:32:49.000 It's a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people to tell them they ought to get one. 1.00

00:32:53.000 But it's a motherfucker. 0.99

00:32:53.000 Once you have it, you can't imagine not having it. 0.99

00:32:56.000 Yeah, it's a motherfucker. 1.00

00:32:57.000 It's a beast. 1.00

00:32:59.000 That thing's amazing.

00:33:00.000 It's such a great thing. 1.00

00:33:01.000 Just stuff everything in there and plunge it and then just turn that bitch on. 1.00

00:33:05.000 Wah! 1.00

00:33:06.000 I blended an avocado pit once and drank it.

00:33:10.000 Whoa, what was that like?

00:33:12.000 Well, I had a bunch of other stuff in there.

00:33:13.000 Is that good for you?

00:33:14.000 I just wanted to see if I could do it.

00:33:18.000 The whole avocado, even the pit?

00:33:20.000 The pit, that's what I'm talking about.

00:33:21.000 Isn't that poison that's got nitrates in it or something crazy like that?

00:33:26.000 No, it has. 1.00

00:33:27.000 The shit from Back to the Future. 1.00

00:33:29.000 Nitrates. 1.00

00:33:30.000 It's fucking nuclear. 1.00

00:33:31.000 It's like those sneakers that light up when you step on them. 1.00

00:33:34.000 It's that stuff.

00:33:35.000 I wouldn't recommend doing it all the time.

00:33:38.000 I just wanted to see...

00:33:40.000 The point is that I couldn't believe that it was so powerful that I could actually blend that into a liquid.

00:33:45.000 Yeah, for folks who don't know what a Vitamix is, it's essentially a really...

00:33:49.000 High-powered blender that's designed to make vegetable smoothies, but it also has a top with a hole in it, and you have a plunger.

00:33:56.000 And the plunger drops down to right above the blade, so it shoves everything into the blades and matches it.

00:34:02.000 It's incredible. 1.00

00:34:03.000 It never breaks, the fucking thing. 0.99

00:34:06.000 It's indestructible. 1.00

00:34:07.000 It's like a World War II relic kind of thing.

00:34:10.000 Even the design of it looks like it's been around forever.

00:34:14.000 I think I tweeted you this.

00:34:15.000 Have you tried putting beets in there?

00:34:18.000 No.

00:34:19.000 With the kale?

00:34:19.000 No, I haven't.

00:34:20.000 My recipe is so fucking good, I don't want to mess with it too much. 0.96

00:34:25.000 Beets sound good. 0.97

00:34:26.000 Beets does sound good, but I changed pears to pineapple.

00:34:30.000 Put like a half a beet in and the beet greens, because the nitrites, is it nitrites or nitrates?

00:34:36.000 I always get that wrong, or whatever.

00:34:38.000 It's been shown to have a significant impact on the efficiency of your oxygen utilization.

00:34:46.000 Really?

00:34:46.000 It's a pretty significant energy booster.

00:34:50.000 Wow.

00:34:50.000 Okay, so the beet greens as well?

00:34:52.000 Yeah, you can put the greens in and then it'll turn everything red.

00:34:56.000 Even if you put a tiny amount of beet in, the whole shake will be red.

00:34:59.000 You want to put some other stuff in there because it has kind of a heavy taste.

00:35:03.000 But you'll notice a difference.

00:35:05.000 Alright.

00:35:06.000 I would definitely do that. 1.00

00:35:07.000 I'll try that shit tonight. 1.00

00:35:08.000 In the same way that the cordyceps work. 1.00

00:35:10.000 Because you know the cordyceps are so good at boosting your oxygen uptake and the efficiency of your oxygen utilization.

00:35:15.000 It has a similar effect.

00:35:18.000 I mean, the cordyceps are crazy awesome.

00:35:20.000 It's amazing.

00:35:21.000 Yeah, that's what the main ingredient of Shroom Tech Sport is.

00:35:24.000 I take four of those before jiu-jitsu class.

00:35:27.000 Even if I haven't been training recently, it's amazing how much more energy you have.

00:35:33.000 It's like a significant feeling of an extra little boost that you have.

00:35:36.000 It's like you've been training at altitude and then you come down to sea level.

00:35:40.000 You feel like you don't get winded.

00:35:43.000 You don't go into the same way, that's for sure.

00:35:44.000 And people who have gone to altitudes, like who had to change altitudes rapidly, like move up to Boulder, like real quick, that normally would have issues with that, they've found that if they take cordyceps mushrooms, it can settle them in.

00:35:58.000 Settle them in quicker. 0.97

00:35:59.000 Because for a lot of people, that altitude sickness is no fucking joke. 0.94

00:36:02.000 I read this thing about babies being born in Colorado, that like a record number of babies are born prematurely. 0.97

00:36:09.000 Like in Colorado because of the high altitude.

00:36:12.000 But it totally makes sense.

00:36:13.000 That's a harder way to live.

00:36:15.000 The whole thing is tougher. 0.99

00:36:19.000 Oxygen utilization is fucking everything, man. 0.99

00:36:22.000 It's everything. 1.00

00:36:23.000 And it's in beets.

00:36:25.000 Beets, man.

00:36:27.000 Check it out.

00:36:29.000 Check out some rhubarb while you're at it, Joe.

00:36:31.000 Do you miss meat at all?

00:36:34.000 Do you miss the smell?

00:36:35.000 Like if you have a neighbor who's barbecuing and you...

00:36:38.000 You have nightmares about Fogo de Chao?

00:36:41.000 I'm a human being, man.

00:36:44.000 I ate that stuff for a long time.

00:36:47.000 I like it.

00:36:47.000 I like the smell of it.

00:36:49.000 There are certain vegan people that will say it disgusts them or whatever.

00:36:55.000 I'm sure it does or whatever.

00:36:56.000 But for me, I smell it.

00:36:57.000 That's my problem.

00:36:58.000 It smells good.

00:36:59.000 I drive by Jack in the Box.

00:37:00.000 I think that smells good.

00:37:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:37:02.000 Yeah, see?

00:37:04.000 That's like my problem.

00:37:05.000 That's why I can't have a cheat day for me.

00:37:07.000 Yeah, I understand.

00:37:08.000 So how did you get involved in endurance athletics?

00:37:12.000 What happened there?

00:37:13.000 It was another kind of weird, organic thing that just evolved over time.

00:37:18.000 When I got on the plant-based diet, I started exercising again.

00:37:25.000 Mainly because I just had all this energy I had to burn off.

00:37:27.000 I didn't have any designs on Going back to being an athlete or being competitive in anything.

00:37:32.000 I just wanted to lose a little weight.

00:37:34.000 I wanted to be able to enjoy my kids at their energy level.

00:37:38.000 You know, I have four kids now.

00:37:39.000 So it was really just about, you know, connecting with that part of myself that I kind of lost touch with, but nothing crazy.

00:37:48.000 You know, I would go to the pool and swim a couple times a week and, you know, do a light jog here and there.

00:37:53.000 My wife bought me a bike for my birthday.

00:37:54.000 I'd never really ridden a bike before.

00:37:57.000 And this was when I turned 40. But then I had like an experience after I'd been doing this for maybe four months or something like that, a really moderate exercise.

00:38:06.000 I went out for a morning run Out at, you know, where Mulholland Drive, the dirt road part of it, that dumps out at the bottom of Topanga on the valley side?

00:38:18.000 So there's a trail that you can literally go like all the way to Brentwood, right?

00:38:22.000 It goes forever.

00:38:23.000 And I just went out there one morning on a weekday for a morning run and just, you know, you have those days, and I'm sure you have it in jujitsu, where you just feel unstoppable, like you just keep going forever.

00:38:33.000 I just started running and I just felt I just kept going and going.

00:38:37.000 I was like, I don't have to be back.

00:38:38.000 I'm going to keep going and going.

00:38:40.000 I ended up running like the better part of a marathon just by myself.

00:38:45.000 I think 24 miles or something like that that morning.

00:38:49.000 Excuse me.

00:38:50.000 And I got back and I just was like, what is going on? 0.99

00:38:53.000 Dude, that's some Forrest Gump shit. 0.99

00:38:55.000 Yeah, it was. 0.99

00:38:57.000 I mean, I'd never been a runner.

00:38:59.000 It's not like I had a background in running or had any proficiency in it, really.

00:39:03.000 And it wasn't like I was going fast that day either, but it was just the idea that I could keep going and I thought, Something's going on here.

00:39:09.000 I don't know whether it's the nutrition change or I've just unlocked some dormant gene inside me, but this felt good.

00:39:16.000 Then I was like, I'd like to challenge myself.

00:39:19.000 Then I started looking for something to do.

00:39:22.000 When you're 40, it's like, what's the bucket list item or what's the midlife crisis thing you want to do?

00:39:27.000 I started thinking about doing an Ironman because that's a pretty typical goal for a 40-year-old guy who wants to conquer a mountain or whatever.

00:39:38.000 And started training a little bit more and more.

00:39:40.000 And I didn't know anything about triathlon.

00:39:42.000 I didn't know anything about Ironman or anything like that.

00:39:45.000 But I figured it seems like there's those Ironman races that are like every weekend somewhere.

00:39:49.000 And like tons of people are doing it.

00:39:50.000 It can't be that hard to get in one.

00:39:52.000 I'll just pick a city, you know, a ways out and, you know, train for it myself.

00:39:56.000 And I went on the website one day and realized that they all sell out like a year ahead of time.

00:40:01.000 Like they're like U2 tickets.

00:40:03.000 Like the day after one of those races, the next day...

00:40:07.000 And they just sell out like in a couple hours.

00:40:09.000 So I couldn't get into any of those.

00:40:11.000 And I was like, well, you know, what am I going to do?

00:40:15.000 And nothing seemed to excite me and I kind of lost my mojo for a little bit.

00:40:19.000 But I was at Jamba Juice one morning.

00:40:23.000 Like maybe a month after that experience getting a juice and you know how they have those like competitor magazines that you see in like running shoe stores or whatever like running shoe reviews or whatever just laying around and I picked it up and started looking at it and there was an article about this dude Named David Goggins who's this badass Navy SEAL guy like guy had been like a football player and a power lifter like big strapping guy I think he was up he had weighed like 275 pounds at one point and had seen

00:40:53.000 some shit you know as a Navy SEAL and had lost a lot of friends in in action and he decided that he was gonna go he was gonna find the 10 most difficult endurance races in the world and do them all to like raise money for It wasn't the Wounded Warriors Foundation, but it was something like that, so that he could raise money for the families of these friends of his that had fallen.

00:41:15.000 And he had just done this race called Badwater, which is a 135-mile run through Death Valley that goes up Mount Whitney at the end. 0.98

00:41:25.000 And it's crazy hot, like 110, 120 degrees out in the desert.

00:41:30.000 And he had just done really well in that, and he had never really done much endurance sports before that.

00:41:36.000 He literally had fallen into it and had just put in an incredible performance.

00:41:41.000 And then a month later, he did this race called Ultraman. 0.93

00:41:45.000 Which is this insane double Ironman distance race in Hawaii, where over the course of three days, you circumnavigate the entire Big Island of Hawaii, which is like a big island.

00:41:56.000 It's like the size of Connecticut, right?

00:41:58.000 So I was reading about this and it just seemed like such a cool event.

00:42:03.000 Not only was it longer than Ironman, which I didn't think was possible, It was broken up into stages.

00:42:11.000 So the first day is a 6.2 mile ocean swim, followed by a 90 mile bike.

00:42:18.000 And the last 20 miles of that bike, you go up to Volcano National Park.

00:42:22.000 So it's like a 4,000 foot gain.

00:42:24.000 And the second day you ride 170 miles around the eastern side of the island, like up through Hilo.

00:42:30.000 And you end up in this little town called Javi.

00:42:33.000 On the third day, you run 52.4 miles double marathon from Javi back into Kona where the race started.

00:42:41.000 I was like, what is this?

00:42:44.000 It was cool because they limited it to just 35 invitation-only competitors.

00:42:51.000 You had to apply to get into this race.

00:42:53.000 They don't close any of the roads.

00:42:55.000 It was almost like this family affair where you have to bring your own crew and they take care of you and feed you out of a van while you're doing this race. 0.95

00:43:03.000 The crews help each other out and the competitors help each other out.

00:43:07.000 It's a race, but It seemed almost like this crazy spiritual odyssey, you know, like this experiment in expansion, you know, much more than a race.

00:43:16.000 And I was like, that was what I was looking for.

00:43:18.000 You know, it wasn't like I was looking for a race to go see how fast I could go or how many guys I could beat.

00:43:25.000 Like, it resonated with me because it seemed more like An opportunity to learn more about myself in a way that was unique.

00:43:35.000 You know what I mean?

00:43:35.000 Like it was like this crazy down the rabbit hole like spiritual adventure.

00:43:41.000 And so it just captivated me and I was like...

00:43:44.000 It was one of those things where...

00:43:46.000 You know when you come across something and something just clicks inside you and you know...

00:43:52.000 Like, that's the direction you're supposed to go in or you're on the right path or, you know, maybe you've had that in stand-up or at some point in your life where you just feel like you're directed in a certain way, you know, where everything just kind of seems in alignment.

00:44:05.000 It was like, I just knew I was going to do that race. 1.00

00:44:07.000 Like, I just, I didn't know how and I hadn't done anything of note, you know, to merit getting into it or anything like that.

00:44:13.000 But I was like, I'm going to find a way to do that.

00:44:16.000 Like, I've got to do that.

00:44:17.000 And I couldn't stop thinking about it.

00:44:18.000 And I ended up calling up the, uh, Race director.

00:44:23.000 And it was some months before you could even send in your application.

00:44:27.000 Because I was like, I couldn't stop thinking about it.

00:44:29.000 And I needed to like, just if she was going to tell me like, there's no way I was getting in, then I could at least like put that to bed.

00:44:35.000 So I just called her up and said, you know, I read about this race, and I can't stop thinking about it, and I'd really like to do it, but, you know, maybe I'm crazy, because, you know, I don't know why I'm even calling you, because I haven't really done very much.

00:44:47.000 You know, and she said, well, what have you done?

00:44:49.000 And I said, I haven't done anything.

00:44:51.000 You know, I'm barely, you know, I'm just getting back into being fit again.

00:44:55.000 And she had every reason to just say, well, you know, why don't you call me in a couple years, and, you know, we'll see what you've done then, and maybe I'll let you into this race.

00:45:02.000 She was like, well, listen, it means a lot that you called early, and why don't you just touch base with me in a couple months, and we'll evaluate your training, and we'll go from there.

00:45:12.000 So she kind of left a crack in the door open.

00:45:15.000 So it was enough to give me a little bit of hope, like the pilot light was lit a little bit.

00:45:20.000 And I was like, I'm going to get into that race. 0.95

00:45:22.000 I'm going to find a way to get into that race. 0.94

00:45:24.000 And I hired a coach, and I started training as if I was already in.

00:45:27.000 This was back in early 2008. And I mean, it's a long story, but ultimately she ended up relenting and letting me in and I ended up doing that race in 2008. And I hadn't done an Ironman before that.

00:45:39.000 I tried to do a half Ironman the year before and I didn't even finish.

00:45:43.000 So, you know, I wasn't going in with some crazy like endurance pedigree.

00:45:48.000 So it was a cool experience, though, and I ended up doing pretty well in that race.

00:45:52.000 How well did you do?

00:45:53.000 I got 11th that year.

00:45:55.000 Wow, that's amazing.

00:45:56.000 That's crazy.

00:45:57.000 You couldn't finish, and then a year later, you get 11th.

00:46:00.000 I got 11th in 2008, and at that time, we were like the bad news bears.

00:46:06.000 I had no idea what I was doing.

00:46:08.000 My dad came out to help me crew and a couple buddies from out here.

00:46:11.000 And none of us knew anything about anything.

00:46:14.000 And I just wanted to finish, you know, and I just wanted to, like, not die.

00:46:17.000 So I approached it, like, very conservatively.

00:46:20.000 But I ended up exceeding my expectations.

00:46:22.000 So I thought, you know, I wonder what would happen if I spent a year, like, preparing to go back and actually race it, you know, rather than just trying to finish and kind of being timid about it.

00:46:33.000 So for 2009, I trained my ass off and I went back and, uh, And I ended up getting out.

00:46:41.000 I got out of the swim with a 10-minute lead on the next guy.

00:46:44.000 And I held that lead for the rest of that day through that 90-mile bike.

00:46:48.000 So I finished the first day with a 10-minute lead on the field.

00:46:51.000 10 minutes?

00:46:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:46:53.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:46:54.000 A huge lead going into day two. 0.99

00:46:56.000 If that was a race car, that would be a ridiculous amount of time.

00:46:58.000 It was crazy because I didn't see anyone else all day, you know, because I was out in front.

00:47:04.000 And...

00:47:05.000 My wife and my kids were crewing me, actually.

00:47:08.000 So I was having to tell them what to do.

00:47:10.000 And they were great, but it wasn't like they had experience with anything like this, which made me very nervous.

00:47:16.000 So what does a crew person have to do?

00:47:18.000 Each competitor has to bring a van. 1.00

00:47:21.000 And that van is filled with, like, all your shit, man. 0.99

00:47:24.000 So you gotta have all your food that you're gonna eat, like, while you're racing, and then afterwards, and then, you know, ice for ice baths afterwards, and they're filling your bottles and feeding them, you know, feeding you. 0.99

00:47:35.000 They kind of leapfrog you and park, and then you do bottle handoffs, so you always have nutrition on the bike.

00:47:41.000 And they make sure you don't take any wrong turns.

00:47:44.000 They're in charge of navigating.

00:47:45.000 And if you have anything that mechanically goes wrong with your bike or whatever, extra parts.

00:47:50.000 And it's filled with all your clothes because you're going around the island.

00:47:53.000 You're not going back to where you started that day.

00:47:55.000 You're going to stay in a different place each night.

00:47:57.000 So you have to have all your stuff with you.

00:47:59.000 So these vans are packed from floor to ceiling with stuff.

00:48:03.000 Wow.

00:48:04.000 I would have never thought there was that much involved in racing.

00:48:06.000 Yeah.

00:48:06.000 Logistically, there's a lot that goes into it to pull it off and everything.

00:48:12.000 Now, does everybody know how to apply nutrition to these races? 0.98

00:48:17.000 Is it like a consensus or do some people try to do them without eating?

00:48:21.000 There's no way you can do it without eating.

00:48:23.000 You have to eat along the way.

00:48:24.000 The consensus is you've got to take in about 200 to 300 calories an hour, and everybody's stomach's different.

00:48:31.000 The intensity with which you're going will depend upon how well you can digest the food.

00:48:37.000 If you're on the rivet and going hard, it's going to be harder to digest calories, and the kind of calories become more important.

00:48:45.000 You're not going to be able to eat solid food if you're hammering.

00:48:48.000 What do you eat?

00:48:50.000 Do you eat fruits?

00:48:53.000 What I eat is probably different than certain others.

00:48:56.000 Everybody has their own thing.

00:48:58.000 I like to stay away from Like a lot of endurance athletes run or whatever, you know, usually kind of Gatorade-y kind of stuff, like the Cytomax and that kind of stuff, the real high sugar stuff.

00:49:09.000 But when you're going all day, like you're going to be out on a race course for eight or nine hours and then you got to do it the next day, your system can't handle that.

00:49:17.000 So I try to eat a...

00:49:19.000 More like a lower glycemic, higher carbohydrate fuel source.

00:49:23.000 So they have this stuff called Carbopro or something called Perpetuum.

00:49:28.000 They're like maltodextrin powders.

00:49:30.000 So it's like a low glycemic kind of complex carbohydrate fuel source.

00:49:35.000 And you can put like 900 calories in one bottle.

00:49:39.000 And you can kind of sip off that.

00:49:40.000 It's like pancake batter.

00:49:42.000 It tastes terrible.

00:49:43.000 But I'll eat that.

00:49:43.000 I'll eat bananas.

00:49:44.000 I'll put lightly baked yams are good.

00:49:47.000 Dates are good.

00:49:49.000 How come will they be lightly baked?

00:49:52.000 Because if they're overcooked, that fries a lot of the nutrition out of them.

00:49:55.000 But you want them soft enough.

00:49:57.000 They're almost like you can squeeze them into your mouth.

00:49:59.000 They're easy to digest when you're riding a bike.

00:50:02.000 And they have most of the nutrition in them?

00:50:04.000 Yeah, they're great for nutrition.

00:50:06.000 Yeah, yams are awesome.

00:50:07.000 What is it that kills the nutrition? 0.91

00:50:08.000 I mean, if it breaks down the tissue like that, how come it doesn't kill the nutrition if it makes it all soft and mushy?

00:50:13.000 Well, you just don't, if you like completely fry it and overcook it, then it becomes like a dead thing, right?

00:50:19.000 Do they know exactly at what temperature it actually starts to break down?

00:50:23.000 I mean, somebody probably does.

00:50:26.000 I've always wondered that about cooking, killing vitamins.

00:50:29.000 They say if you lightly sauté it, you're okay.

00:50:31.000 Are you sure?

00:50:33.000 What level? 0.67

00:50:35.000 Is it really that bad to eat them raw that we have to fucking jazz everything up with fire and hot metal? 0.94

00:50:41.000 Yeah, I know. 0.96

00:50:42.000 Well, we're the only animals that cook our food, right?

00:50:45.000 We're also the only animals with TVs.

00:50:47.000 We're the only animals that drive cars.

00:50:50.000 We're the only animals that talk. 1.00

00:50:52.000 Let each other know how good shit tastes when you cook it. 1.00

00:50:56.000 We talk to each other. 1.00

00:50:59.000 Fucking shit tastes good when you cook it. 1.00

00:51:02.000 That is the problem. 1.00

00:51:03.000 It does taste better.

00:51:05.000 There's even vegetable dishes that are absolutely delicious because they're cooked.

00:51:10.000 But that's just not as good for your body.

00:51:13.000 Well, I don't know.

00:51:14.000 I mean, it seems like there's differing schools of thought on that.

00:51:18.000 I mean, I think that, you know, you have the really hardcore raw foodists who just eat everything raw, and certainly I think it's great to eat lots of raw foods, you know what I mean?

00:51:26.000 Like the raw foods you put in your Vitamix or whatever, and I eat a lot of raw foods, but I still eat cooked foods, you know?

00:51:32.000 I gotta have me a little cooked food.

00:51:34.000 Right, just for the feeling of it, right?

00:51:37.000 Comfort food, you know?

00:51:38.000 Do you eat pastas at all?

00:51:41.000 I'll eat brown rice pasta, like the gluten-free kind.

00:51:46.000 Ezekiel?

00:51:46.000 You ever have Ezekiel?

00:51:48.000 Ezekiel bread, too.

00:51:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:50.000 I mean, I try not to overdo it on the pasta.

00:51:53.000 I usually have more brown rice stuff instead.

00:51:56.000 Brown rice, steamed veggies, sautéed veggies.

00:51:59.000 And top it off with a Coca-Cola or perhaps a Pepsi-Cola?

00:52:01.000 A Red Bull.

00:52:04.000 Did you take in any caffeine?

00:52:05.000 What are your thoughts on that?

00:52:08.000 I've gone back and forth on caffeine.

00:52:10.000 I've gone periods without it, and then I've used it as well.

00:52:14.000 I think that when you're using it compulsively and addictively, it's not a good thing.

00:52:20.000 It fries your adrenals and makes you tired, ultimately.

00:52:23.000 I think a cup of coffee in the morning is not the worst thing, particularly for an athlete.

00:52:28.000 I mean, it's definitely a performance enhancer.

00:52:30.000 Like if I'm going out for a long bike ride, you know, a nice little strong cup of coffee before my ride, definitely, I can definitely feel the difference.

00:52:38.000 But I think it, you know, you can't be just hammering coffee all day long.

00:52:43.000 I like a nice cup of coffee before a podcast and a nice cup of coffee before jujitsu.

00:52:47.000 I like to get a little, but it's really a crutch.

00:52:50.000 It is.

00:52:51.000 It is.

00:52:52.000 It's weak.

00:52:53.000 But it tastes delicious.

00:52:53.000 And I've gone periods when I don't drink coffee at all and I feel fine and then I'll lapse back into drinking it from time to time.

00:53:00.000 Well, during periods of heavy writing, I will drink a lot of fucking coffee. 0.95

00:53:06.000 And I had one day where I was working on this piece and I was up until like 5 o'clock in the morning just wired with coffee. 0.99

00:53:16.000 And then the next day, I tried no coffee.

00:53:19.000 And boy, was that a trip.

00:53:21.000 Like, I had a headache all day.

00:53:23.000 Like, my body was like, dude, let's just have a cup of coffee.

00:53:26.000 Let's just feed the demon. 0.96

00:53:27.000 Just feed that demon. 0.99

00:53:29.000 Give it a little.

00:53:29.000 It's like, I was like, I gotta be careful.

00:53:31.000 Like, this is how you get addicted to caffeine.

00:53:32.000 It's a powerful drug, man.

00:53:33.000 Yeah.

00:53:34.000 And I was setting the stage for addiction.

00:53:36.000 I was like...

00:53:37.000 I had a headache.

00:53:39.000 I didn't want to not have the caffeine.

00:53:43.000 I just was taking too much in.

00:53:45.000 It was over a course of a few days where I was really hitting at hard writing.

00:53:49.000 You've got to be careful.

00:53:51.000 I had headaches.

00:53:52.000 I had withdrawals.

00:53:53.000 But I found that a really strenuous exercise, like if I have anything wrong with me, if I have jet lag, if I'm just a little out of it from landing somewhere and I can't shake the cobwebs loose, just really intense, strenuous exercise just seems to reset the whole thing.

00:54:11.000 Yeah, snaps you right back.

00:54:12.000 Snaps you right back. 0.98

00:54:13.000 I really feel bad for people who don't exercise, who try to travel a lot, because I hear people tell me that they're fucked up for like two weeks. 0.98

00:54:22.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:54:23.000 That's crazy.

00:54:24.000 I've been traveling a lot lately and that's the only thing.

00:54:26.000 I don't sleep great in hotel rooms and just, you know, the first night in a new environment or whatever, it's always a little off.

00:54:32.000 And, you know, the first thing when I get there, I've got to work out or whatever.

00:54:36.000 That's exactly what it is.

00:54:38.000 You've got to wipe the slate clean.

00:54:39.000 And then it just really helps with the jet lag and sleep and acclimating and everything.

00:54:44.000 Yeah, and it's one of those things where you just got to start it.

00:54:46.000 Just get it going, and then once you get it going, it sort of takes care of itself, and you're in the middle of it, it feels great.

00:54:51.000 But it's like that first step of doing that first squat, you know, the first anything.

00:54:56.000 It's like, ugh, come on.

00:54:57.000 I know. 0.89

00:54:58.000 But if you can overcome that, it gives you that feeling like, you know, like lately I've got a lot of shit done that I wanted to get done, and I got this great, like, feeling because of that, you know?

00:55:08.000 I've got, like, momentum, you know?

00:55:10.000 And whenever I feel like that I'm accomplishing things that I wanted to do, I set out to do X today, and I got it all done.

00:55:18.000 It's like, yes!

00:55:19.000 The next day, I feel like a little more charged up.

00:55:22.000 I feel like I've got, well, look, I'm doing what I'm trying to get done.

00:55:25.000 I'm getting it done.

00:55:25.000 I'm feeling great about it.

00:55:27.000 And a lot of people, I think, don't have that.

00:55:30.000 They don't build that momentum enough in their life.

00:55:33.000 They don't pick a few goals, lock onto them, go with it, and then let it build up to something else.

00:55:39.000 Let it build up to more.

00:55:40.000 Let it build up to the next thing.

00:55:42.000 And also I think that there's this weird equation with exercise because it's so easy to say you don't have time or you're busy or whatever and you know I go through that a lot and and and it's easy to justify not doing it but ultimately when I just quiet that thought and and do it anyway I end up getting more done and everything that I needed to get done ends up getting done and if I don't do it I end up wasting time and I'm less productive and I'm not thinking clearly and yeah there's a lot of like down wasted time I think everybody has a different sort of biology.

00:56:13.000 And I know for sure people have different needs.

00:56:18.000 So I don't say that everybody needs it.

00:56:21.000 I think it benefits everybody.

00:56:23.000 But I don't know that everybody needs it.

00:56:25.000 But I certainly know that I need it.

00:56:26.000 When I don't have it, it makes a big difference.

00:56:28.000 I don't like the way I feel.

00:56:30.000 I don't like getting annoyed at things too easily.

00:56:32.000 I don't like this weird testosterone buildup that happens after a few days of not exploding on something.

00:56:38.000 It's like my body's become most certainly addicted to that release.

00:56:42.000 And it knows that it can navigate social waters better when it's just totally drained of all the monkey DNA. If I don't get that out at the gym, I don't feel like I'm as nice a person.

00:56:55.000 I don't feel like I'm as balanced.

00:56:56.000 My wife will just kick me out of the house. 1.00

00:56:59.000 She says, you need to go ride your bike or do something.

00:57:01.000 Don't come back until you do.

00:57:04.000 I have a crazy gym in my house.

00:57:07.000 It's in the garage.

00:57:08.000 Half of the garage was done for a company called Garage Mahal.

00:57:12.000 Oh, wow.

00:57:12.000 So my garage is set up.

00:57:14.000 It's got mats.

00:57:14.000 I've got a grappling dummy that I strangle.

00:57:17.000 I like to do jujitsu on a dummy.

00:57:18.000 And I have a kickboxing bag and ropes to climb.

00:57:21.000 So I never have to go anywhere.

00:57:23.000 It's always right there.

00:57:24.000 Nice. 0.98

00:57:24.000 There, that cuts out a lot of the fucking bullshit and procrastination with the 20 minute ride to the gym and then I'll only have 40 minutes to work out because, my God, if I just took a nap right now, maybe I would perform better tonight and maybe I could just do some working out at home tonight. 0.98

00:57:40.000 Having it in my house, for me, is huge. 0.99

00:57:41.000 The ability to just go outside and Even when I was broke, I always had a heavy bag.

00:57:46.000 Just tied something to the rafters in the garage.

00:57:49.000 Having something like that is, to me, having just a place where you can at least release in some way. 0.99

00:57:56.000 Get that fucking blowout in some way. 0.97

00:57:59.000 It's so important for maximizing sanity. 1.00

00:58:02.000 I need it.

00:58:03.000 I don't know.

00:58:04.000 Some people...

00:58:05.000 Some people don't need it.

00:58:05.000 I just sneeze a lot.

00:58:07.000 Yeah, Brian's fine without it, I'm telling you.

00:58:09.000 He's not even an angry guy.

00:58:14.000 I think, though, it's a great benefit to everybody. 1.00

00:58:18.000 People can get through life without that benefit, but you're silly. 1.00

00:58:20.000 You're silly to do it. 1.00

00:58:21.000 That's what I tell him. 1.00

00:58:22.000 I'm like, you're silly. 0.99

00:58:23.000 He got really skinny at one point in time, though. 0.98

00:58:26.000 Brian was, like, way fat at one point in time, and then he went crazy Weight Watchers, and he shrunk down to, like, a tiny man.

00:58:35.000 Strange.

00:58:36.000 Where are you at now?

00:58:38.000 Uh, I'm about halfway back to what I used to be.

00:58:42.000 But now it's more just, uh, I eat barely little.

00:58:46.000 Like, I eat only at, like, 9 or 10 o'clock at night until I go to bed.

00:58:52.000 But it's not like I eat crazy bad.

00:58:55.000 It's more like I'll go home and eat Lean Pockets and, uh...

00:58:58.000 A salad.

00:59:00.000 But you don't eat until 9 at night?

00:59:02.000 Are you saying you literally don't eat food all day?

00:59:04.000 No.

00:59:05.000 It's mostly because of Starbucks.

00:59:07.000 Yeah.

00:59:08.000 He just jacks himself up with a Trenta double shot.

00:59:12.000 He gets Trenta double shots.

00:59:14.000 Which is basically cancer.

00:59:16.000 It's just cancer in a liquid form.

00:59:18.000 So you go all day.

00:59:19.000 All day.

00:59:19.000 And then you hit the lean pockets at night and just crash out.

00:59:22.000 Yeah.

00:59:23.000 It's fucking super good for you. 0.95

00:59:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:59:26.000 You're on the right track, son.

00:59:29.000 Here's a video of me...

00:59:32.000 When you were super skinny?

00:59:34.000 Yeah, super skinny.

00:59:35.000 You got really...

00:59:36.000 What is the lightest you got?

00:59:38.000 You got below 170, right?

00:59:40.000 Gotcha.

00:59:41.000 You've just been Rickrolled. 0.99

00:59:43.000 You don't think this motherfucker doesn't want to hear about Rickrolling? 0.99

00:59:47.000 When your name is Rich Roll, how annoying is that? 1.00

00:59:49.000 Every day, man.

00:59:51.000 That's so rude. 1.00

00:59:52.000 Every fucking day. 1.00

00:59:52.000 That's so rude. 1.00

00:59:53.000 And it came out of nowhere, too.

00:59:55.000 You lived most of your life without a Rick Roll. 1.00

00:59:57.000 And then all of a sudden, this one fucking song. 1.00

01:00:00.000 The internet is so bizarre. 1.00

01:00:02.000 It's the bane of my existence.

01:00:03.000 You know what's funny, too?

01:00:05.000 You know this rapper, Nipsey Hussle?

01:00:08.000 No.

01:00:08.000 There's this rapper named Nipsey Hussle and he has a song called Rich Roll.

01:00:12.000 So it's all about the Rich Roll.

01:00:15.000 And so my Twitter feed fills up with all this crazy insanity from people retweeting this song that I guess is a pretty popular song.

01:00:23.000 And so I'm getting confused with this rapper all the time.

01:00:27.000 Dude, you should embrace it.

01:00:28.000 You should go like the opposite of what Rick Ross did.

01:00:32.000 You should do a music video of that song.

01:00:34.000 Because it's your name.

01:00:34.000 You should claim that I'm the real Rich Roll son.

01:00:36.000 That's right.

01:00:38.000 And then maybe you could get hip-hop people into being vegans.

01:00:41.000 It's so close to Rick Ross, too.

01:00:44.000 It's all confusing.

01:00:46.000 It's right there.

01:00:47.000 It's right next to our neighbors.

01:00:48.000 Just buy a lot of trench coats and you'll be good. 1.00

01:00:50.000 Do you fuck around with probiotics? 1.00

01:00:54.000 Yeah, a little bit. 0.99

01:00:56.000 There's some pretty good plant-based ones.

01:00:59.000 I have this nutrition guru, my buddy, Compton Rom. 0.98

01:01:05.000 That's his name?

01:01:06.000 His name is Compton Rom.

01:01:07.000 He would make an incredible guest for you.

01:01:11.000 This guy would blow your mind.

01:01:13.000 You can watch videos of him on YouTube.

01:01:15.000 He talks about some crazy stuff.

01:01:17.000 Like what?

01:01:17.000 Just like the energy of food.

01:01:21.000 He has a PhD in microbiology.

01:01:24.000 He's helped me a lot with my nutrition.

01:01:26.000 He's been a little bit of a mentor.

01:01:28.000 He's got a startup company called Ascended Health.

01:01:30.000 He's all about trying to find the best superfoods all over the world and provide them to customers.

01:01:38.000 He's traveling all the time.

01:01:39.000 He's going to, like, Thailand, all these crazy places, trying to find, you know, places where he can grow this stuff.

01:01:44.000 And so I would go to his house, and his house looked like, in his kitchen, it looks like a giant meth lab.

01:01:51.000 He's got all these tubes everywhere and all this crazy stuff.

01:01:53.000 He's like, oh, you gotta try this.

01:01:54.000 I just got this resveratrol in.

01:01:56.000 It's from the finest Bordeaux grape skins.

01:01:58.000 Stuff's amazing.

01:01:59.000 I'm going to make some powder for you.

01:02:02.000 And he's always trying to help me with my training and racing nutrition by giving me some of this crazy stuff.

01:02:08.000 And so his whole thing is he's super knowledgeable about probiotics and microbes because he studied microbes and the GI tract microbial activity forever and ever and knows more about it than anyone I've ever met.

01:02:24.000 And it's fascinating, man, because, and I talk a little bit about this in my book, too, that we think we're made up of trillions of cells, right?

01:02:33.000 And we think we're these sentient beings and we have control over What we think and our decisions and all of that.

01:02:39.000 But at the same time, we have to realize that we have like 10 times the number of our cells in microbes in our gut alone.

01:02:48.000 Like our microbial ecology in our GI tract has like, you know, 10 times the number of microorganisms compared to all of our cells in our entire body.

01:02:59.000 And there's been these studies that have come out And they're starting to come out where they're studying the extent to which your microbial ecology in your gut can trigger your nervous system and actually impulse you in a decision-making way.

01:03:15.000 And they've discovered links between what kind of microbial ecology you have in your gut and the foods that you crave.

01:03:23.000 So, yeah.

01:03:27.000 Probiotics are all about improving the health of your flora in your gut, right?

01:03:32.000 And if you have healthy flora, it craves and feeds on healthy foods, right?

01:03:37.000 But if you go to Jack in the Box every day, or you eat Lean Pockets every night, then you're going to have a different kind of microbial ecology.

01:03:47.000 The microbes that are in that food start to propagate in your gut, And that takes over and that becomes the ecology.

01:03:52.000 And they're realizing that that ecology then sends signals to your brain that makes you crave more of those foods.

01:03:58.000 So it's that craving cycle that I was talking about earlier.

01:04:01.000 That's so crazy.

01:04:02.000 And it sounds insane, but then I was thinking about that.

01:04:06.000 You saw, remember the documentary Super Size Me?

01:04:09.000 Yes.

01:04:11.000 So Morgan Spurlock, when he first starts out, remember he's getting sick when he's eating McDonald's?

01:04:16.000 He can't handle it.

01:04:17.000 He barfs out the window one day when he's a couple days in.

01:04:19.000 He just cannot manage.

01:04:21.000 I can't imagine going back to McDonald's.

01:04:24.000 He's only three days in.

01:04:25.000 He's getting sick all the time.

01:04:27.000 And then, fast forward a couple days later, and he wakes up with headaches.

01:04:31.000 And he's craving the food.

01:04:33.000 And his headaches won't go away until he goes to McDonald's.

01:04:37.000 So it's like you can make the argument that that could be, you know, attributable to a change in his microbial ecology.

01:04:44.000 You know, like now he's replaced his healthy...

01:04:47.000 Because I think his wife or his girlfriend at the time was like a vegan chef.

01:04:50.000 He was eating really clean.

01:04:51.000 And then he just starts eating this McDonald's and he replaces that microbial ecology in his gut with the kind that...

01:04:57.000 It feeds on McDonald's and suddenly he's craving it all the time.

01:05:00.000 Could you imagine if they found out that McDonald's actually had implanted microbial biology that they created in a lab that specifically makes you want their shitty cheeseburgers? 1.00

01:05:12.000 You just fucking crave that cheeseburger. 1.00

01:05:16.000 McDonald's cheeseburgers. 0.99

01:05:17.000 I saw a thing online where a dude left one out for six months and it never rotted.

01:05:22.000 Yeah, I saw that too.

01:05:23.000 And I was like, check please.

01:05:24.000 Yeah.

01:05:25.000 That's it.

01:05:26.000 I'm done.

01:05:26.000 No more.

01:05:27.000 It's crazy, right?

01:05:28.000 Only filet of fishes, which are nutritious.

01:05:30.000 Yeah.

01:05:30.000 And delicious.

01:05:32.000 Yeah, I think he let out that it was the burger and I think the fries too, maybe even?

01:05:36.000 I saw that though.

01:05:37.000 Yeah, I don't think the fries rot either. 0.99

01:05:39.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.98

01:05:41.000 It's not food. 1.00

01:05:42.000 It's like, it's just filler.

01:05:44.000 It's weird.

01:05:45.000 I mean, it's like gut filler.

01:05:46.000 Right.

01:05:46.000 I mean, you can live on it for short periods of time.

01:05:49.000 It's better than starving to death. 0.99

01:05:51.000 Man, that stuff is fucking bad for you. 1.00

01:05:54.000 It's so common. 0.99

01:05:56.000 It's everywhere.

01:05:57.000 I know.

01:05:57.000 And his numbers from that movie, like, just after 30 days, his doctor was like, this is bad.

01:06:03.000 Yeah.

01:06:04.000 Crazy bad.

01:06:04.000 And it took him, like, a couple years to, like, lose the weight and get back to his baseline.

01:06:09.000 Did it really?

01:06:10.000 Yeah.

01:06:10.000 I mean, it said it took him a really long time.

01:06:12.000 Well, that sounds like he's a lazy bitch. 1.00

01:06:14.000 Maybe. 1.00

01:06:14.000 People have lost weight quicker than a couple years. 1.00

01:06:16.000 But I think it wasn't just his weight.

01:06:18.000 It was, like, his cholesterol levels and all that kind of stuff.

01:06:20.000 Really?

01:06:21.000 Did he try to go vegan after that or a heavy vegetable diet?

01:06:24.000 I don't know.

01:06:25.000 I mean, I know his girlfriend is a vegan chef, so I would imagine he returned to something along that lines, but I don't know.

01:06:30.000 Now, what do you think of when you hear guys like Rob Wolf say, eat bacon and eggs for breakfast?

01:06:36.000 Well, the first thing I would say is that I have a lot of respect for Rob.

01:06:40.000 He's a great guy.

01:06:41.000 Yeah, and I love the interview.

01:06:45.000 Rob and I have the same goal.

01:06:47.000 We're both working towards the same thing, which is trying to get people healthier and more fit.

01:06:52.000 We differ on a couple You know, subcategories of that.

01:06:56.000 But, like, I think Rob is doing good stuff.

01:06:58.000 I mean, I definitely disagree when he says you should eat, you know, bacon and eggs for breakfast.

01:07:04.000 I think that, you know, and I remember your reaction to that.

01:07:07.000 Even you were, like, surprised, you know, that that was...

01:07:10.000 Well, I've never heard anybody...

01:07:12.000 I've never heard anyone say that myself.

01:07:14.000 I've never heard anyone say that kale shakes, like, don't eat kale shakes either.

01:07:18.000 You don't need any.

01:07:18.000 Right.

01:07:19.000 So there's a lot about paleo that I think is fantastic.

01:07:24.000 They eschew dairy.

01:07:26.000 They eschew processed foods.

01:07:29.000 I think the only oil that they say is okay is olive oil in moderation.

01:07:34.000 We disagree.

01:07:35.000 It's a very Like, the idea is low-carb, right?

01:07:40.000 Like, it's low-carb, kind of high-protein.

01:07:42.000 And I think that, you know, that works really well for losing weight and maybe works for some people in terms of energy levels.

01:07:49.000 But my perspective on the whole thing is I'm coming from looking at the healthcare crisis in America, where, like, people are just keeling over with heart attacks constantly.

01:08:00.000 You know, I mean, heart disease is rampant, you know, and People are getting diabetes like crazy, and even children are getting diabetes.

01:08:07.000 I mean, when we were kids, diabetes wasn't really a thing, right?

01:08:10.000 Now, like, diabetes is a huge thing.

01:08:12.000 Like, obesity, and the obesity figures are insane.

01:08:15.000 Like, 40% of Americans are going to be obese by 2014, and childhood obesity rates are crazy, and school lunches are terrible.

01:08:22.000 And when I look at it like that, like, I think that...

01:08:28.000 I can't get around the fact that when I read the studies on plant-based nutrition, when you read the China study or you read Dr. Esselstyn's book, Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease, there's a pretty clear correlation between getting rid of the meat and dairy and eating a whole food plant-based diet and your ability to repair your body from these conditions that are plaguing us unnecessarily.

01:08:53.000 Heart disease is a foodborne illness.

01:08:56.000 Not only prevent it, you can actually reverse it.

01:08:59.000 And this this guy, Dr. Esselstyn, have you ever heard of this guy?

01:09:01.000 Yes.

01:09:02.000 Okay, so for maybe your listeners who don't know, he is a he's a badass.

01:09:07.000 First of all, the guy was like he's Yale educated and he's an Olympic gold medalist in rowing in like 1968. And I think he was a I think he's a I think he was a Vietnam I think he's a Vietnam veteran also.

01:09:19.000 I'm not sure about that.

01:09:20.000 But then he became a surgeon, and he was a head surgeon at the Cleveland Clinic, which is, if you have heart disease or you have heart problems, that's where you want to go.

01:09:29.000 The Cleveland Clinic?

01:09:30.000 The Cleveland Clinic, yeah. 1.00

01:09:31.000 So if you're feeling like shit. 0.99

01:09:32.000 Right. 1.00

01:09:33.000 Go to Cleveland.

01:09:34.000 Yeah, they know what's up there.

01:09:36.000 And back in the 70s, he started to realize that when he treated his patients with a plant-based whole food diet, that they were able to reverse their heart disease without surgery.

01:09:46.000 And he was starting to look at the...

01:09:49.000 I'm having a brain fart.

01:09:51.000 What are those pictures of the heart called?

01:09:53.000 The angiograms.

01:09:54.000 So you'd see these before and after angiograms and you could clearly see, you know, the clogged arteries becoming clear again and it working.

01:10:03.000 And that was not a popular thing like in the 1970s and the 1980s.

01:10:08.000 To a large degree, it's still not popular, but it didn't make him a popular surgeon there.

01:10:13.000 What wasn't popular?

01:10:14.000 Well, because they make money off surgery.

01:10:17.000 You're saying putting that information out that you can heal yourself through vegetables was not popular because they literally wanted people to be sicker?

01:10:25.000 No, no, no.

01:10:26.000 It's not that they wanted people to be sicker.

01:10:29.000 It's just that the system is set up, the way that you profit is by You know, performing expensive surgeries.

01:10:38.000 That is the way they profit, but it's a big leap between that and being upset at something that heals people.

01:10:44.000 I don't think that it was that they were upset.

01:10:47.000 It was that it was new and there wasn't enough evidence at that time to fully substantiate what he was doing.

01:10:55.000 So was it.

01:10:55.000 They had their sort of, this is what we do here, and when somebody comes in and they're in this condition, We prescribe this procedure.

01:11:02.000 And he was saying, I don't want to do that.

01:11:03.000 I want to do this intensive diet thing with them and counsel them and see if I can avoid that.

01:11:08.000 And that was not a popular option.

01:11:12.000 Okay, that makes more sense.

01:11:14.000 So essentially, the doctors had a very specific path that they would follow when you had X wrong with you.

01:11:22.000 And that path usually led to some sort of a surgery.

01:11:27.000 And he was trying to avoid that with vegetables.

01:11:29.000 Yeah, and I think that's still true today.

01:11:31.000 We were talking about statins.

01:11:33.000 You go in with high cholesterol or whatever, your doctor is most likely going to prescribe you statins.

01:11:38.000 He may say, you know, change your diet or do this, and then you'll come back and it doesn't change.

01:11:43.000 And then he'll say, well, it's genetic and you need to take this medicine.

01:11:47.000 In fact, I believe that actually you can lower your cholesterol if you change your diet properly.

01:11:53.000 But the point, getting back to Dr. Esselstyn, is that he was sort of blazing this trail a long time ago back when not too many people were listening.

01:12:01.000 And it's taken him many, many years to kind of get traction with this.

01:12:05.000 And it's taken the China study and his book and the documentary Forks Over Knives to get people sort of paying attention and listening now.

01:12:12.000 And now there's kind of like An awareness that didn't exist before.

01:12:17.000 And the scientific studies are pretty compelling, that when you remove the animal proteins, you remove the processed foods, and you remove the dairy, that you can really heal yourself.

01:12:28.000 Well, if you cut, I mean, what has been proven that that is the order that works.

01:12:34.000 Has it been proven that if you cut out the dairy, cut out the processed food, cut out the meat, specifically live off of vegetables, vegetable nutrition, that that is the only way to go?

01:12:46.000 Or have they done vegetable nutrition and grass-fed meat and natural meat?

01:12:50.000 Yeah, there's plenty of studies out there.

01:12:52.000 And what do they show?

01:12:53.000 What are the differences between...

01:12:54.000 They found that the actual animal protein is the activator of a lot of these congenital diseases.

01:13:03.000 Really?

01:13:03.000 Yeah.

01:13:04.000 And what do they attribute that to?

01:13:06.000 Even game?

01:13:08.000 Or is it fatty meats?

01:13:11.000 Well, certainly the saturated fat doesn't help, but there's something about the animal proteins themselves.

01:13:16.000 And in particular, the casein, which is the protein in the dairy, that proves problematic.

01:13:23.000 And what does it do specifically to the human body?

01:13:26.000 That's a good question.

01:13:27.000 I wish Dr. Esselstyn was here to answer that.

01:13:30.000 We're starting to get a little too technical.

01:13:32.000 I don't want to speak out of school or say the wrong thing.

01:13:35.000 So what they found, though, essentially, was that a lot of ailments are started, and the activator for starting these ailments and diseases is animals.

01:13:44.000 So you eat animals, you're going to get certain diseases that you would avoid if you just ate vegetables.

01:13:49.000 Right.

01:13:49.000 And the China study originated around studying cultures where there really wasn't any animal products or animal proteins in their diet and looking at the extent of cardiovascular disease.

01:14:02.000 So there's a certain area in China where it had a huge population, like 260,000 people or something like that.

01:14:12.000 The incidence of heart disease was almost zero.

01:14:14.000 Wow.

01:14:16.000 That's crazy.

01:14:17.000 Zero.

01:14:17.000 And so we began this long epidemiological study where they really took a hard look at it.

01:14:22.000 And it's interesting.

01:14:23.000 It's really interesting.

01:14:23.000 That's incredible.

01:14:24.000 The number zero. 0.98

01:14:26.000 That's ridiculous. 0.94

01:14:27.000 I don't know if it was zero, but it was close to zero. 0.97

01:14:29.000 It was very, very, very low.

01:14:31.000 That's incredible.

01:14:33.000 How do they make sure that they get the proper amount of protein and the proper amount of amino acids? 0.53

01:14:39.000 From what I understand, the real issue with the vegan diet is that you have to be really diligent about the proper proteins that you get.

01:14:47.000 Because...

01:14:48.000 All the various, like even broccoli has protein in it, but it doesn't have like a complete protein like say meat does.

01:14:54.000 But there's quinoa and hemp is a very complete protein.

01:14:58.000 But how do you make sure that you get the right amount?

01:15:01.000 Well, I think there's a lot of misconceptions about that, and there's been a lot of sort of debunking of the complete versus incomplete protein argument that gets pretty technical.

01:15:11.000 But I think that if you're eating a well-rounded, balanced, plant-based diet with lots of different...

01:15:19.000 Essentially, if you're eating grains, legumes, fruits and vegetables in all the different colors, and you're rotating them through or whatever, then you're not going to have a problem.

01:15:29.000 It's almost like Nature has rigged it.

01:15:31.000 You're not going to have a protein deficiency.

01:15:33.000 And, you know, just speaking from my own experience with this, when I first started on the vegan diet, you know, I was nervous about that.

01:15:41.000 I was scared about it, especially as I was starting to train more and more.

01:15:44.000 And my cabinet was like full of all kinds of crazy supplements, just tons.

01:15:49.000 And I was like, just mounds and mounds of plant-based proteins in my shakes.

01:15:54.000 Because I was nervous that I was going to injure myself or I was going to get sick or something like that.

01:16:00.000 And over the last couple of years, I've slowly started weaning myself off of a lot of that stuff where I use very little now and I haven't noticed a difference in my ability to, one, recover in between workouts or Build lean muscle mass.

01:16:17.000 And my endurance is continuing to improve.

01:16:20.000 So I do use hemp protein.

01:16:23.000 I love hemp protein.

01:16:24.000 I usually combine it with pea protein or sprouted brown roast protein.

01:16:29.000 Wait, what?

01:16:30.000 Pea protein.

01:16:31.000 I had some today in honor of this podcast.

01:16:34.000 That's different from urine therapy.

01:16:37.000 I was...

01:16:38.000 Yeah, peas, man.

01:16:39.000 Green peas.

01:16:40.000 It's very high in protein.

01:16:41.000 So what is the debunking?

01:16:43.000 I don't even do it every day.

01:16:44.000 I only do it when I'm training really hard or I feel like I don't have any lentils in the house or something like that.

01:16:50.000 I'm always trying to source my proteins from whole foods.

01:16:53.000 So the misconception is that you've got to eat tons and tons of protein and you can only get real good protein, quality protein from animal products.

01:17:02.000 I just don't believe that to be true.

01:17:04.000 Do you remember when that dude, what is his name, Travis Barker, got in a plane crash and he got burned and he needed a...

01:17:12.000 Oh, the drummer.

01:17:13.000 Yes.

01:17:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:17:14.000 He needed a skin graft.

01:17:17.000 And when he had a skin graft, his body was not healing until he started eating meat again.

01:17:21.000 And when he started eating meat again, it started healing rapidly.

01:17:24.000 Interesting.

01:17:25.000 He said that he was a vegan before that, but he had to stop being a vegan.

01:17:29.000 I'm pretty sure, I don't want to paraphrase this guy's story, but...

01:17:34.000 I'm pretty sure that is how we said it.

01:17:36.000 Is there any possible benefit in your eyes to eating animal protein for as far as performance, physical performance as far as, I mean even though it may be the catalyst to triggering certain ailments in certain individuals and that can be documented, is it also possible that there's a benefit to it too?

01:17:56.000 And from a performance perspective?

01:17:58.000 Yes.

01:17:59.000 It's certainly possible.

01:18:01.000 I don't know...

01:18:02.000 Especially in fast twitch sports?

01:18:04.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, what I do is so long, it's a very specific kind of sport that's very different from jujitsu or sprint running or anything like that.

01:18:12.000 But there are plenty of, you know, athletes out there in various disciplines that seem to be doing well.

01:18:17.000 But, you know, has there been a double-blind, you know, sort of case study on the difference?

01:18:22.000 I don't know the answer to that.

01:18:24.000 And I think that, you know, for me, it goes back to The reason that I started doing this to begin with, which was, you know, really long-term wellness and not having a heart attack.

01:18:36.000 Like, heart disease runs in my family.

01:18:38.000 My grandfather, who was a champion swimmer, died of a heart attack in his early 50s.

01:18:42.000 And, you know, I have to constantly remind myself that that was what motivated me to do this to begin with.

01:18:47.000 It wasn't performance reasons.

01:18:49.000 At the same time, if I felt like I was missing something, like if I started to feel like I wasn't recovering or I wasn't improving or I wasn't able to get stronger or I wasn't feeling good, I would certainly entertain the possibility of eating meat if I thought my health was suffering, but I just haven't had that experience yet.

01:19:08.000 So, you know, I just try to stick to...

01:19:12.000 I don't want to speak for anyone else.

01:19:15.000 Right.

01:19:15.000 How do you feel about that idea that everybody's got a different sort of nutritional requirement and that some people really shouldn't eat red meat and some people really should be vegetarians?

01:19:27.000 It's based on your blood or where your family's origins are geographically and that's the kind of genes that you're carrying around?

01:19:34.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:19:35.000 Do you buy into any of that?

01:19:36.000 I don't know.

01:19:36.000 I don't really buy into any of that.

01:19:39.000 No?

01:19:39.000 No.

01:19:41.000 But hasn't there been evidence that different people that grow up in different parts of the world have different nutritional requirements?

01:19:48.000 For instance, people that live in Eskimos or Inuits, they don't like to be called Eskimos apparently.

01:19:54.000 Inuits, they have no issues as far as scurvy or anything, but they're not getting any vitamin C. They're just eating salmon.

01:20:02.000 They also have a relatively high incidence of heart disease.

01:20:05.000 Oh, do they really?

01:20:06.000 Yeah, they do.

01:20:07.000 Um, they, um, I thought the whole deal was, is it cancer that they, that you almost never see in your population and they were attributing that to, uh, the, uh, nutrition that they got from fish oil.

01:20:21.000 Do you, uh, do you substitute with any animal, um, like fish oil or anything like that?

01:20:26.000 No, I mean, you know, I think getting your omega-3s is really important.

01:20:31.000 You know, fish oil is really popular with a lot of people, but you can essentially do the same thing with flax seeds, ground flax seeds.

01:20:39.000 I wouldn't use flax oil, but like ground flax seeds are something I put in the Vitamix all the time.

01:20:44.000 Why wouldn't you choose the actual oil?

01:20:47.000 The oil has been linked to, there's some evidence to suggest that it's linked to incidents of prostate cancer, but for some reason the seeds aren't.

01:20:55.000 That's so weird.

01:20:56.000 The seeds have like the case, you know, like they have that casing on them or whatever, so you have to grind them up because otherwise they'll just pass right through you.

01:21:04.000 So you grind them up like in a Vitamix?

01:21:07.000 Yeah, yeah, or you can buy them ground or you can put them in like a coffee grinder or like a Cuisinart or something like that.

01:21:13.000 What about hemp oil?

01:21:14.000 That's supposed to be pretty nutritious, too.

01:21:16.000 Yeah, I like hemp oil.

01:21:17.000 All that stuff has the same benefits as fish oil?

01:21:19.000 Well, flax seeds are the closest, from my understanding.

01:21:24.000 Does it have the same benefits as far as joint inflammation relief?

01:21:29.000 Because fish oil is incredible for that.

01:21:32.000 Yeah, I think it's important when it comes to joint relief and looking at inflammation, is looking at the acidic or the alkaline nature of the foods that you're eating.

01:21:42.000 And animal products, dairy and meat, tend to be very acid-forming.

01:21:46.000 Like, your body has a certain pH, right?

01:21:48.000 It's trying to maintain that sort of pH right in the middle.

01:21:53.000 But, you know, the foods we eat and the toxins we breathe in the air and stress of our lives or whatever, We can all try to push that one way or the other, and then our body has to kind of go into hyperdrive to bring it back to its normalized state.

01:22:06.000 So the truth is that most people that are eating a standard American diet and living the North American way of life are eating a predominantly acidic, acid-forming diet.

01:22:17.000 And they're in a state of what's called chronic acidosis.

01:22:20.000 And that's a state in which, you know, you're constantly bombarding your body with a very acid-based diet, and your body has to kind of go into hyperdrive to bring it back.

01:22:30.000 And that's an environment where you become very rife for getting injured, for getting sick, and it's also, you know, an environment that makes you more prone to those congenital diseases.

01:22:41.000 So when you're eating a more plant-based diet, those tend to be, I mean, not every plant food or whatever, It tends to be, in the balance, more alkaline forming.

01:22:51.000 And when you're in a more alkaline state, you're not getting sick, you're recovering more quickly, because inflammation is sort of the root cause for a zillion diseases, and it's like the enemy of the athlete, right?

01:23:04.000 You're always trying to, like, If you can reduce your inflammation, your muscles are going to repair themselves more quickly.

01:23:08.000 You're going to be able to bounce back quicker.

01:23:10.000 You're going to be able to train harder.

01:23:11.000 It doesn't necessarily make you a better athlete in a short period of time, but protracted over the course of a season, you're going to have a much more efficient and effective training period, and that's going to result in performance gains in the long run.

01:23:26.000 So you're essentially saying that all the benefits of taking fish oil, you could get those same benefits with just changing your diet to a vegetarian diet, that you don't need fish oil.

01:23:37.000 Well, with respect to fish oil, I mean, the purpose of fish oil is to get those omega-3s, those essential fatty acids, right, that are important.

01:23:45.000 I mean, you know, there's a lot of talk about EFAs and the omega-6 and the omega-3, and we get plenty of omega-6 in all the foods we eat or whatever, but the problem comes when The ratio of 6 to 3 is kind of off.

01:23:58.000 And most people don't get enough omega-3 in their diets.

01:24:01.000 And fish oil is great for kind of rectifying that.

01:24:04.000 But my point is only that it's not the only way of dealing with that.

01:24:09.000 What are the other vegetarian options besides hemp oil, flaxseed?

01:24:14.000 Yeah, hemp oil and walnuts, I believe.

01:24:17.000 There's some nuts that are pretty high in that.

01:24:19.000 How many do you have to eat?

01:24:20.000 Hemp seeds.

01:24:21.000 Not that many.

01:24:22.000 Really?

01:24:22.000 You don't need like a ton of this stuff.

01:24:25.000 With fish oil, I've been on like a really high fish oil diet for a long time now.

01:24:31.000 I take like 5,000 milligrams, a thousand milligram pill.

01:24:38.000 I take five of those in the morning and five of those at night.

01:24:40.000 And when I don't do it, I notice a difference in like how my joints feel.

01:24:44.000 Like from doing a lot of jujitsu especially.

01:24:47.000 I'd be interested if you switch it up to ground flax seeds, if you felt a difference or not.

01:24:52.000 Yeah, I would be willing to try, but I always thought that it was like, almost like it was like lubricating.

01:24:58.000 It doesn't make sense really, but that it was like...

01:24:59.000 WD-40.

01:25:00.000 Yeah, it doesn't make sense. 0.99

01:25:02.000 How much oil would you need to lube up your fucking joints? 0.99

01:25:04.000 But that's how I almost thought it in my head, because there was such a correlation between... 0.99

01:25:09.000 Taking these pills and joint pain relief.

01:25:12.000 I've read a lot of great things about fish oil and studies on fish oil and there's absolutely some nutritional benefit to taking it.

01:25:22.000 I don't know why you wouldn't take it unless it was because of the fact that you wanted to not have anything animal in your body, like to just subscribe to.

01:25:30.000 Well, I think that you have to be careful with the toxins that are in marine life, too.

01:25:35.000 Well, it's all filtered.

01:25:36.000 When you buy Carlson's fish oil, they test that stuff, and it's all filtered out.

01:25:42.000 You don't have to worry about that.

01:25:44.000 The very high-end companies, they test all their stuff.

01:25:48.000 But I just don't see why there would be...

01:25:51.000 Unless you were into it strictly from the point of view of staying vegan or introducing no animal into your body at all...

01:25:59.000 It doesn't seem like there's anything that you lose from taking fish oil.

01:26:04.000 It's interesting because any time you say, this food is good, then you can immediately go on the internet and find some reason why it's not.

01:26:11.000 You can fall on any category of that.

01:26:14.000 There are some studies out there that show that the fish oil thing is a little over-hyped.

01:26:20.000 It's hard to quantify who's right and who's wrong and all that kind of stuff.

01:26:23.000 Have you been to a...

01:26:24.000 There's a guy named Dr. Michael Greger.

01:26:29.000 He's got a site called nutritionfacts.org.

01:26:32.000 And it's amazing.

01:26:33.000 The guy has a zillion...

01:26:35.000 He puts up videos almost every day.

01:26:36.000 And they're short.

01:26:38.000 Two to five minutes at max and you can look at, you can enter in any food or any disease or whatever and most likely he has a short video on it and it's all based on peer-reviewed scientific studies or whatever.

01:26:49.000 But I always go to that when I have a question about this food or that.

01:26:52.000 It's a really good resource.

01:26:54.000 I went to nutrition for the first time when I was like 17, when I was losing weight for martial arts competitions and I was fucking my body up and I was trying to figure out how to monitor my nutrition, how to lean myself out in the healthiest way possible to drop the most weight before I had to dehydrate myself.

01:27:12.000 But that was Nancy Clark, who's pretty famous for working with athletes. 1.00

01:27:15.000 She was in Boston at the time.

01:27:17.000 She's got a bunch of books on that stuff. 0.92

01:27:19.000 And I think she's worked with other MMA athletes too now.

01:27:22.000 This is like...

01:27:23.000 Way after, I mean, I must have done it, did it with her in 85 or something like that.

01:27:28.000 But that's when I first became, it was from martial arts competition, before I had to worry about my diet.

01:27:35.000 I didn't watch what I ate at all.

01:27:37.000 I just ate what I felt like eating, even when I was competing.

01:27:39.000 I had no emphasis or focus on nutrition.

01:27:44.000 It wasn't until I got older that I just threw trial and error and just going on a whim and saying, you know what?

01:27:53.000 I'm going to juice all day.

01:27:54.000 I'm just going to have beet juice and carrot juice and celery juice.

01:27:57.000 I've done that a few times and you get this weird kind of energy that you get from that intense plant nutrition that you don't get from anything else.

01:28:07.000 You really don't.

01:28:08.000 It's not the same feeling that you get when you have the satisfaction of a fat ribeye and it's just perfectly cooked and you slice into that medium rare.

01:28:19.000 It's so good.

01:28:20.000 It's not that satisfaction.

01:28:21.000 But it is this weird sort of vibrancy that you get.

01:28:25.000 Like you're ingesting live plants.

01:28:31.000 Essentially, they've just died a short period of time ago.

01:28:33.000 They're still vibrant with energy.

01:28:36.000 And you don't get that from anything processed. 1.00

01:28:39.000 And there's a lot of people out there that are miserable, that are depressed, I have friends that have shit-fucking diets and their way of dealing with it is to take antidepressants. 1.00

01:28:51.000 You've got no exercise, terrible sleep, shit diet, you feel terrible, take a pill, you feel better? 1.00

01:28:57.000 Really? 1.00

01:28:57.000 You've got to clean up all that other stuff, man, and then see how you feel. 1.00

01:29:00.000 If you have all these goddamn issues as far as your diet, as far as your sleep, as far as stress levels, Clean up that shit first before you go take a goddamn pill. 0.99

01:29:12.000 I mean, we're a nation of crazy people who are addicted to all these weird, new, not-natural, non-native chemicals that we're introducing into our body and that we become addicted to. 1.00

01:29:24.000 If we could just look, if you could have an overlay of the United States and who's on the influence of any sort of a pharmaceutical drug right now.

01:29:35.000 That's insane.

01:29:36.000 It's like the matrix.

01:29:38.000 It really is.

01:29:39.000 And not to spin too much of a new age thing, but you're right.

01:29:47.000 Food carries a vibrancy and an energy to it.

01:29:50.000 It's very specific.

01:29:51.000 And in my case, I've been on this crazy, amazing journey that I would have never predicted.

01:29:56.000 And it honestly started with changing my diet.

01:29:59.000 And so I look at it With, like, a respect and a reverence.

01:30:03.000 And I go, this is what catalyzed this path.

01:30:05.000 And it opened me, like, it opened my heart to the possibility of living differently and to doing different things than I was doing.

01:30:12.000 And, look, you know, people are sicker than they've ever been.

01:30:16.000 We're such a prosperous nation, and people are just over-medicated. 0.99

01:30:20.000 They're fat. 0.98

01:30:21.000 They're unhealthy.

01:30:22.000 And for the most part, they're, people are, you know, there's, what do you think the level of happiness is now compared to what it was like, you know, 100 years ago?

01:30:29.000 Do you think we're happier?

01:30:30.000 Do you think we're Well, I think obviously it's in the individuals. 0.99

01:30:34.000 I'm happy as fuck. 0.98

01:30:36.000 But the thing is, you're doing what you're meant to be doing. 0.99

01:30:39.000 You know what I mean?

01:30:40.000 You're on a path that you've been blazing for a long time, but you've made something happen that you're passionate about.

01:30:48.000 But most people, unfortunately, don't live that kind of life.

01:30:52.000 That is true, but I think they could live their own version of it.

01:30:56.000 They could.

01:30:57.000 And then you can be happy.

01:30:58.000 But a lot of people don't.

01:31:00.000 And I know this because I was a corporate lawyer.

01:31:02.000 I was miserable.

01:31:03.000 I was doing the 80-hour weeks.

01:31:04.000 And I'd done everything right my whole life.

01:31:06.000 Just you saying that makes my spine chill.

01:31:09.000 I studied hard.

01:31:10.000 I got into the good schools.

01:31:12.000 And I played the game.

01:31:13.000 You know what I mean?

01:31:14.000 And I got to the place that was supposed to be the brass ring.

01:31:19.000 And I was like... 1.00

01:31:20.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:31:21.000 I was not happy and I felt lost. 1.00

01:31:24.000 It's like a feeling of being in free fall.

01:31:27.000 And you have a choice.

01:31:29.000 I was making a decent amount of money, so a lot of people in that situation, they'll just gild themselves with stuff they can't afford.

01:31:36.000 Like, well, I'll lease that car that's a little bit out of my reach.

01:31:40.000 Reward myself.

01:31:41.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:31:42.000 Because when you're unhappy, you know, you need something to solve that wound and then you do that long enough and then you're stuck and you can't make a change or it becomes too difficult.

01:31:52.000 And, you know, I think it was Henry David Thoreau that said, you know, the mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation.

01:31:59.000 And I think that's very, very true.

01:32:01.000 It's one of my favorite quotes ever.

01:32:03.000 And it's sad, man.

01:32:04.000 It's sad.

01:32:06.000 I look at you.

01:32:07.000 You've built this thing here.

01:32:08.000 You're doing what you love.

01:32:09.000 You spend your day laughing. 1.00

01:32:10.000 I didn't build shit. 1.00

01:32:10.000 Brian built all this. 1.00

01:32:11.000 Yeah, but I mean, you're like in your juju.

01:32:15.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:16.000 Yeah.

01:32:17.000 And most people aren't, man.

01:32:18.000 I think that's okay.

01:32:19.000 He knows Jews.

01:32:20.000 You're allowed to use that.

01:32:22.000 Yeah, no, most people aren't, but they could be.

01:32:25.000 They could be, but it's hard.

01:32:27.000 I mean, you think it's hard to change your diet?

01:32:30.000 I mean, try overhauling your entire lifestyle.

01:32:33.000 Yeah.

01:32:33.000 Oh, believe me.

01:32:34.000 It's very, very difficult.

01:32:35.000 Yeah.

01:32:36.000 And scary.

01:32:37.000 It's terrifying.

01:32:38.000 And we live in a fear-based culture, you know?

01:32:42.000 But I did it.

01:32:43.000 You know, I went from being a martial arts instructor to being a stand-up comedian and got my car repossessed, went broke, lost all my credit card.

01:32:49.000 I mean, I just was a loser for, like, years.

01:32:52.000 But you were willing to double down to do that, you know?

01:32:54.000 I just didn't want to get brain damage.

01:32:57.000 I saw Future in Kickboxing and I was like, you know what? 1.00

01:33:00.000 This stuff is not good for your fucking head. 0.99

01:33:03.000 And I was meeting guys at the gym that I knew were punchy. 1.00

01:33:07.000 I did too many hard sparring sessions.

01:33:12.000 I never got knocked out in sparring, but I definitely got my bell rung before.

01:33:17.000 I got hit with hard shots before.

01:33:19.000 We would trade.

01:33:21.000 I worked out at a particularly heavy-duty gym.

01:33:26.000 Different gyms have different philosophies as far as sparring. 0.99

01:33:29.000 Our gym's philosophy was you put on big gloves and you fucking go at it. 0.82

01:33:32.000 It was basically kickboxing bouts with big giant gloves on and headgear and shin pads and stuff like that. 0.98

01:33:39.000 And I knew that it was not good for you.

01:33:42.000 So for me, it was like I had this crazy, like, I gotta jump ship, I gotta jump...

01:33:46.000 Because this is a path of deteriorating brain function.

01:33:50.000 Like, I would have moments where...

01:33:53.000 I'd be lying in bed.

01:33:54.000 And it wasn't even like there was a goal.

01:33:56.000 There was no UFC back then.

01:33:58.000 So it was just kickboxing.

01:34:00.000 And in my opinion, mixed martial arts, first of all, there's way more options.

01:34:06.000 And just because there's more options, you can protect yourself, period.

01:34:09.000 You could say that mixed martial arts fighters have damage too, and I'll tell you some do, but there's some that don't have any.

01:34:16.000 There's some that rarely get hit and that is possible as well.

01:34:20.000 The ability to mix up between the striking and the grappling and the fact that you have so many different options.

01:34:26.000 A creative and spontaneous approach as well as being able to drill things over and over again until they become zen.

01:34:34.000 When you reach a certain level, you can get away with way less damage than any boxer does.

01:34:39.000 Like, you'll see certain guys fight in a five-round UFC fight and take very little damage, like a George St. Pierre.

01:34:46.000 Right. 0.72

01:34:46.000 Because he's so fucking good and his plan is so good. 0.72

01:34:50.000 But... 0.97

01:34:51.000 With boxing and kickboxing, you're standing in front of each other and you're hitting each other, period.

01:34:56.000 And there's no takedowns and there's no rear naked choke for the finish in the first round. 0.94

01:35:00.000 There's none of that.

01:35:01.000 There's slamming bones into your head trying to shut that melon off. 1.00

01:35:06.000 And ultimately, for me, I knew that I had to do something differently.

01:35:09.000 I was terrified.

01:35:10.000 And there was no future in it.

01:35:13.000 But because of that, I developed a real compassion for understanding how difficult it is.

01:35:19.000 I was 21. I had no children.

01:35:24.000 They'd repossessed my car, so I had no car anymore.

01:35:27.000 It was really like I could live on the cheap.

01:35:30.000 I could scratch by.

01:35:32.000 But if you're a person who is trying to change careers, and you have a family, and you have a mortgage, and you have a car that you lease, and you've got to pay for your kids' after-school activities, that is unbelievably hard.

01:35:45.000 Very hard.

01:35:46.000 At the same time, life's short, man.

01:35:49.000 It's true.

01:35:49.000 Most people are not doing what they want to be doing, or maybe even what they're supposed to be doing.

01:35:55.000 So what did you do?

01:35:55.000 How did you just exit yourself out from the machine?

01:36:00.000 Well, I left corporate law firm life and started my own little thing because I just couldn't live that way anymore.

01:36:09.000 What little thing?

01:36:09.000 What are you talking about?

01:36:10.000 Just a solo entertainment law practice.

01:36:13.000 And made a lot less money but was able to control my time.

01:36:17.000 And that was just a little bit before I changed the diet and started getting back into fitness.

01:36:22.000 But because I had control over my Because I didn't have a boss anymore, I could set up my work schedule the way that I want, like Tim Ferriss style, then it allowed me to be able to train at odd hours that wouldn't necessarily flow with somebody who had, you know, a 9 to 5 job.

01:36:40.000 But I was able to structure my life so that I could make that possible.

01:36:43.000 And again, it was just feeling like, you know, when you feel like you're guided to move in a certain direction, a certain path, you know?

01:36:51.000 When your car was repossessed and you were starting to do stand-up and move into that world, I'm sure you felt like this is what you wanted to be doing, this is what you're supposed to be doing, even if there was no real-world material affirmation of that initially.

01:37:05.000 There was a lot of apprehension. 0.93

01:37:08.000 There was a lot of thinking that I was fucking up and I was doing the wrong thing. 0.97

01:37:11.000 There was not much confidence. 0.96

01:37:13.000 It's certainly not like I knew this was my path. 0.82

01:37:16.000 Like, I had an idea that this was something that I could do, but I was terrified because I sucked at it, too.

01:37:22.000 There was no evidence that I could ever be really good at it.

01:37:24.000 You know, when I quit teaching martial arts, I mean, I was teaching at Boston University.

01:37:29.000 I had my own school, and I was making a living teaching Taekwondo, and then, you know, I would deliver newspapers sometimes in the morning.

01:37:37.000 I would occasionally take, like, newspaper routes. 0.99

01:37:42.000 To switch from that, to give up training and teaching entirely altogether, to do something that I wasn't very good at, it was fucking terrible. 0.95

01:37:51.000 That was a terrifying move. 0.90

01:37:52.000 I would only make when I was 21. And, you know, when you're 21, you're all fucking cocky. 1.00

01:37:57.000 But, you know, if I was going to do that in this day and age, is that really one of those old school alarms right outside our door? 1.00

01:38:05.000 You dumb motherfucker. 1.00

01:38:08.000 But it would be very hard for me to do something like that today. 1.00

01:38:11.000 Well, yeah, it's different when you're 21. Does anybody pay attention to car alarms ever?

01:38:16.000 I don't know.

01:38:17.000 Oh, open the door, Brian, and make it louder.

01:38:18.000 That's a good move.

01:38:20.000 Yeah, your instinct is never, oh my god, somebody's stealing that car. 0.99

01:38:23.000 No, your instinct is this cunty fucking alarm that's ruining our conversation. 0.94

01:38:29.000 Is anybody in stand-up good in the beginning? 0.99

01:38:33.000 No.

01:38:34.000 Because I've heard that.

01:38:35.000 Everybody says they were awful when they started.

01:38:37.000 They can think that they're good.

01:38:38.000 What are you doing, man?

01:38:39.000 Shut my mic off.

01:38:42.000 There you go.

01:38:44.000 You might think you're good. 1.00

01:38:45.000 I mean, I've heard people say that they were good right from the very beginning, but they're either full of shit or they were stealing jokes. 0.98

01:38:50.000 It just doesn't make sense that you were good right from the beginning. 0.95

01:38:53.000 Unless you had some experience in something else before.

01:38:56.000 One group of people that were actually pretty decent, like not bad for beginners, was Alcoholics Anonymous people. 0.97

01:39:03.000 Because this is driving people on iTunes fucking crazy. 0.97

01:39:07.000 I guarantee you. 0.95

01:39:08.000 You want to take a quick five minute break?

01:39:10.000 You might keep going, right?

01:39:12.000 How long do these things keep going for?

01:39:13.000 I don't know.

01:39:14.000 We'll just pause this, folks. 0.99

01:39:15.000 We're going to pause this for a couple minutes and let this shit stop. 0.98

01:39:18.000 Thank you. 0.98

01:39:19.000 This, ladies and gentlemen.

01:39:33.000 Meow.

01:39:35.000 We're very vulnerable folks, technically.

01:39:37.000 But we were in the middle of talking about...

01:39:49.000 This show's off air.

01:39:50.000 There it goes.

01:39:50.000 We were in the middle of talking about changing your life and changing your diet, changing your path into something that you love.

01:39:59.000 That's something that we stress on this show as much as possible because it's something that someone doesn't tell you when you're growing up in the most formative period of your life.

01:40:09.000 They don't say, you're different than me.

01:40:12.000 Everyone's different.

01:40:12.000 You have to find what you're drawn to, find what you love, and then go chase that.

01:40:16.000 I love when I see young people that latch on to something that they love doing when they're young, whether it's playing the guitar or whatever it is, that they're just passionate about, and then they just become very self-directed about it.

01:40:33.000 I'm so jealous.

01:40:34.000 When I was a kid, I wish I had that.

01:40:38.000 My whole life kind of doing what I was supposed to and never really stopped to think like, well, what do I want?

01:40:44.000 Or what makes me happy?

01:40:45.000 Or what am I passionate about?

01:40:47.000 It just wasn't really part of my equation, you know?

01:40:50.000 And that just seems so wrong. 0.75

01:40:53.000 Sucks. 0.82

01:40:54.000 Yeah, it's terrible. 1.00

01:40:55.000 And it almost like it doesn't even matter what it is.

01:40:59.000 You know, everybody has something inside them that they probably, you know, Love doing or could be passionate about or could be good at or whatever.

01:41:07.000 Do you think there's some people that are ditch diggers?

01:41:11.000 Listen, I think that, look, not everyone can be an NBA basketball player or whatever.

01:41:17.000 So not everyone is innately gifted, but I think everybody inside of themselves has something that makes them happy.

01:41:23.000 And I think that if you pursue what makes you happy without getting so caught up in how am I going to make money doing this or there's no career in it or whatever, And living a little bit more faith-based with what you're doing and focusing more on the passion that we'd probably be better off.

01:41:40.000 And I think people would be happier if that was a priority.

01:41:43.000 There would also be a lot more people trying to borrow money.

01:41:47.000 There would be a lot more people trying to borrow money.

01:41:48.000 Yeah, probably.

01:41:50.000 Well, Hollywood's full of these kind of people.

01:41:52.000 Of course. 0.97

01:41:53.000 Yeah, there'll be a lot more people that need a loan to try to get through this next thing that they're trying to fucking get launched. 0.96

01:41:58.000 Kickstarter would have been invented a long time ago.

01:42:00.000 Yeah, Kickstarter changed the whole game of begging.

01:42:03.000 It made it kind of cool.

01:42:05.000 You figured out a way to put a name to it that makes it seem...

01:42:09.000 I'm just kickstarting my business.

01:42:11.000 I tweeted this yesterday that this company came up with this new light bulb that you can control your iPhone app.

01:42:19.000 You put all these light bulbs in your house and you can do all this crazy stuff with them, like change all their colors, change the colors, have them turn on, have them on timers that go off and on.

01:42:31.000 It's pretty cool.

01:42:32.000 They raised a ton of money on Kickstarter. 0.98

01:42:34.000 No shit. 0.99

01:42:35.000 Yeah, I'm sure. 0.99

01:42:36.000 Yeah, it's a brilliant idea.

01:42:38.000 And there's all sorts of different offers that companies give to people that you can actually become a part of.

01:42:43.000 Like Cocaine Cowboys.

01:42:45.000 Didn't he do something like that?

01:42:47.000 No, no, no.

01:42:48.000 That wasn't that.

01:42:48.000 It was The Union.

01:42:49.000 The guys who did The Union.

01:42:51.000 His next film that he's doing, he got people to buy it in advance on Kickstarter.

01:42:58.000 Instead of just asking for money, he said, listen, I'm going to...

01:43:01.000 You'll get the first copies of this film.

01:43:03.000 Right.

01:43:04.000 I think, yeah, the successful product ones, they're almost pre-orders.

01:43:07.000 So it won't lose a lot of money because you're going to actually get the product.

01:43:10.000 Yeah, I mean, it's like the people that enjoyed the first film can actually fund and finance the second one.

01:43:16.000 I mean, it's just...

01:43:17.000 It's really cool.

01:43:18.000 If you look at it that way, it's really cool.

01:43:21.000 We live in the most strange times.

01:43:27.000 Things like that are just like, you can do that?

01:43:29.000 Yeah, you can do that.

01:43:30.000 And you can make a lot of money. 0.99

01:43:31.000 Look at these fucking Kony guys that made millions of dollars. 0.99

01:43:36.000 Where did that go, by the way? 1.00

01:43:38.000 That fucking was the quickest in-and-out fad. 0.99

01:43:42.000 That Kony fad, man. 1.00

01:43:43.000 That's almost like an alien blip.

01:43:45.000 They just tested us for retardation.

01:43:47.000 Like a pH test from the heavens.

01:43:50.000 In the same way that technology is accelerating, our attention spans are shrinking.

01:43:55.000 It's amazing the rapidity with which stuff comes and goes.

01:43:59.000 Now, it's immediate.

01:44:00.000 It could be the biggest thing ever and then it's immediately forgotten.

01:44:04.000 Could you imagine, though, Joseph Kony's email box?

01:44:07.000 It's like, nothing, nothing, nothing.

01:44:10.000 Millions of emails!

01:44:12.000 Millions of emails!

01:44:14.000 Stop! 1.00

01:44:15.000 It was just viral marketing.

01:44:16.000 Nothing, nothing, nothing.

01:44:17.000 He's not getting any emails today.

01:44:19.000 Joseph Coney doesn't even get Nigerian scammer emails today.

01:44:22.000 That was just viral marketing for Peter Pan on Blu-ray.

01:44:24.000 Yeah, you told me.

01:44:26.000 And yet, at the same time, you do this podcast and you hold people's attention for three hours a day, man. 0.99

01:44:32.000 That's ridiculous. 0.87

01:44:33.000 These people need to get outside. 1.00

01:44:34.000 Stop listening to this fucking show. 1.00

01:44:36.000 Go mow your lawn, son. 1.00

01:44:37.000 Well, they're probably mowing their lawn as they're doing it. 0.98

01:44:39.000 A lot of people do it while they're working, which is cool as fuck, because then they get to be a part of a conversation instead of just be sitting there screwing widgets together. 0.94

01:44:49.000 I got on my long training rides.

01:44:51.000 I stack it with podcasts because if I'm going out to ride my bike for a long day, an eight-hour training ride or something like that, I can't listen to music the whole time.

01:45:00.000 I'd go insane.

01:45:01.000 So I'll listen to your podcast, a couple other podcasts, and I just lose myself in the conversation.

01:45:06.000 So for me, it's like the longer the better, man.

01:45:08.000 I love it.

01:45:09.000 Yeah, but when we first started out, everybody was telling me we were crazy for doing an hour.

01:45:13.000 Ari Shaffir was constantly like, you gotta definitely edit it. 0.99

01:45:17.000 Can't have more than an hour.

01:45:18.000 People are not gonna listen.

01:45:19.000 I go, well, how about just don't listen to the rest?

01:45:21.000 You can just shut it off at any point in time. 0.99

01:45:23.000 Like, what fucking difference does it make, son? 1.00

01:45:24.000 This is ridiculous. 1.00

01:45:26.000 Two hours, three hours? 0.99

01:45:27.000 You don't have to listen.

01:45:28.000 Like, do I get bummed out that a radio show's four hours long and I only was in my car for an hour? 0.99

01:45:32.000 No, you listen to whatever the fuck you want to listen to. 0.94

01:45:35.000 I think the key is just giving people content, just keeping it coming. 0.99

01:45:39.000 That's the most important thing, is the momentum, keeping it coming, and then you become a part of people's daily routine.

01:45:48.000 And when you become a part of people's daily routine, then you have an obligation and a responsibility to keep it coming.

01:45:54.000 Because now you're bumming a bunch of people out.

01:45:57.000 It's not as simple as, You put something out and they enjoy it.

01:46:00.000 It's you don't put it out and you bum them out. 0.99

01:46:02.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:46:03.000 They're angry with you. 1.00

01:46:04.000 Fucking Joe Rogan podcast. 1.00

01:46:06.000 You create an expectation. 1.00

01:46:07.000 Yeah, I mean, you're making junkies and you have to feed those junkies. 1.00

01:46:11.000 I mean, it seems like...

01:46:12.000 Yeah, but you're keeping the quality really high.

01:46:14.000 I mean, that David Seaman interview was amazing.

01:46:17.000 I never even heard of that guy.

01:46:19.000 I was like, why is he having a guy running for Congress on his show?

01:46:22.000 And I listened to it.

01:46:23.000 I was like, that is amazing.

01:46:24.000 I immediately started following him.

01:46:26.000 He's coming back.

01:46:27.000 He's doing it again.

01:46:28.000 Fascinating guy.

01:46:29.000 And it's a real interesting...

01:46:32.000 I was thinking about it the other day because he's the first guy...

01:46:36.000 From like that generation to be in this sort of, you know, a political candidate.

01:46:42.000 Yeah.

01:46:42.000 And the generation gap is very palpable.

01:46:46.000 That kid can be president.

01:46:47.000 He's coming from a very different place and his priorities and perspectives and all of that are so, just in the way he speaks, are so different from what we're used to.

01:46:55.000 You know what I mean?

01:46:56.000 Yeah.

01:46:56.000 Well, he's smart.

01:46:56.000 He's a smart kid.

01:46:57.000 He's like 26 years old and smart as shit. 0.99

01:47:00.000 But it's beyond that. 0.99

01:47:00.000 He is, but it's beyond that, too. 0.99

01:47:03.000 You know, he is interested in things and is talking about things that no one in the traditional political stratosphere want to get anywhere near.

01:47:13.000 Right.

01:47:13.000 Well, either he'll wind up being killed or he'll be the new king.

01:47:17.000 Right. 0.94

01:47:18.000 Either way, we got your back, son.

01:47:19.000 You know, I think it's very important that the only way this future is going to be any brighter is if it's very important that we enlighten young people coming up to alternative passive thinking by you telling your story that you had gone down the exact correct path, you know, in some sort of a predetermined pattern to success which would equal success.

01:47:43.000 Happiness, supposedly, for you.

01:47:45.000 And then reaching that point of success.

01:47:47.000 You're not speculating. 0.95

01:47:50.000 You're one of the rare people that actually made it to the end of the game and went, this is horseshit. 0.67

01:47:56.000 Okay, let's get out of here.

01:47:58.000 You can't get trapped here. 0.94

01:47:59.000 Let's get the fuck out of here and try something different. 0.98

01:48:02.000 It has to be done. 0.97

01:48:03.000 That message, when that message is in some kid's earbud when he's on a train, you know, headed to his job or headed to school or whatever, that message can resonate and change thousands of people's lives.

01:48:15.000 I have had more fucking people come up to me in the past two years and say, your podcast changed my life, than...

01:48:24.000 Than any one thing that people have said to me other than fear is not a factor. 0.99

01:48:28.000 They probably said that more than anything else. 0.99

01:48:31.000 But that fucking theme keeps happening. 0.99

01:48:34.000 And a lot of it is nutrition and a lot of it is exercise. 0.99

01:48:37.000 But a lot of it also is just this... 0.99

01:48:40.000 Understanding that you're not alone in thinking that the standard path seems like shit. 0.98

01:48:45.000 You're not alone in that. 0.98

01:48:47.000 There's a lot of other people like us out there.

01:48:49.000 And we could all get pigeonholed into some ridiculous patterns that were created without individual personalities and unique traits and artistic intentions and qualities in mind.

01:49:00.000 None of that stuff in mind.

01:49:01.000 This is a plumber.

01:49:02.000 This is a vacuum salesman.

01:49:04.000 Go down that path, son.

01:49:06.000 You'll be an electrician.

01:49:07.000 And we're disconnected from our own heartbeat.

01:49:12.000 Most people are like, well, I don't even know what I like.

01:49:16.000 We're disassociated from a higher version of ourself.

01:49:20.000 A more authentic version that wants to come out is locked down so deep That it's almost like the key is, you know, unfindable.

01:49:29.000 Well, we've become a victim of our own culture, of our own creation. 0.96

01:49:34.000 The culture of our own creation is a culture of predetermined patterns and obligations and things that you just must do, that a lot of them suck.

01:49:42.000 And we've become a prisoner to that. 0.95

01:49:44.000 And this idea that if you do those things, that somehow or another you will be happier is ludicrous. 0.99

01:49:50.000 It's ridiculous. 1.00

01:49:51.000 But then there's also you have to pay your fucking rent. 1.00

01:49:53.000 And you want to drive? 0.99

01:49:55.000 Well, cars are expensive.

01:49:56.000 Gas is expensive.

01:49:57.000 What are you going to do?

01:49:58.000 You've got to get a job, son.

01:50:00.000 It's finding the ability to pay yourself You know, feed yourself and on top of that, still pursue a dream.

01:50:08.000 That's the hardest thing. 0.99

01:50:09.000 You gotta do it before you develop any fucking baggage. 0.99

01:50:13.000 Live lean when you're young, man. 0.98

01:50:15.000 If I could have done one thing when I was young, it was just to live as lean as possible and keep all those doors and options open so you don't get stuck in some place you don't want to be and make it more difficult for yourself to get out.

01:50:27.000 Yeah, I got out, but I could have easily just not gotten out.

01:50:30.000 I know a lot of people that didn't.

01:50:31.000 I know a lot of people that are postmen somewhere that really want to be a rock star.

01:50:35.000 There's a lot of weirdness in this world.

01:50:38.000 Most depressing things to be around is someone who never went for it.

01:50:43.000 The people that you know that never went for it, that had an idea in their head, whatever it is, be an author, whatever it is, whatever it is, they just never change.

01:50:51.000 I want to be a longshoreman. 0.96

01:50:52.000 I want to be a fucking professional fisherman. 1.00

01:50:54.000 I want to fucking do what those crab guys do on that crazy show. 1.00

01:50:59.000 Those guys go fishing for crab just to fucking know I'm alive. 1.00

01:51:02.000 If you have that thought in your head and you don't do it, you're living like a bitch, man. 1.00

01:51:06.000 You don't want to have those regrets, man. 1.00

01:51:09.000 It's the saddest thing in the world, isn't it?

01:51:11.000 The feeling that you get when you're around someone who just stayed on the couch, just never pursued anything, artistic, anything, physical, anything, anything.

01:51:22.000 For me, it always feels like...

01:51:25.000 One of the big things of happiness is seeing improvement.

01:51:29.000 Either seeing improvement in stuff that I'm working on, like comedy stuff, or seeing improvement in my jujitsu, or seeing improvement in playing pool, anything to me.

01:51:42.000 If I don't see improvement in things, then I get really bummed out.

01:51:47.000 I feel like I'm not doing anything.

01:51:49.000 I feel lazy.

01:51:49.000 I feel like I'm just getting by.

01:51:51.000 If I go four or five days where I'm not at least actively working on improving some aspect of my life, I feel totally lazy.

01:51:59.000 Right. 0.99

01:51:59.000 What the fuck's going on here, Brian? 0.99

01:52:01.000 This place is haunted. 1.00

01:52:03.000 I found out that Matt Danzig was coming.

01:52:06.000 Is that what it is?

01:52:06.000 Yeah.

01:52:07.000 Why?

01:52:08.000 Why would that make it haunted?

01:52:10.000 Because his podcasts are haunted.

01:52:12.000 Oh, his podcasts are haunted.

01:52:14.000 That's right. 0.99

01:52:14.000 He's had two podcasts that fucked up. 0.99

01:52:16.000 Two? 0.95

01:52:16.000 One, Ari's podcast. 0.95

01:52:18.000 He did this long podcast with Ari Shafir and it got deleted.

01:52:21.000 And we couldn't retrieve it.

01:52:23.000 And then mine, which just crashed recently.

01:52:26.000 So he made me podcast haunted.

01:52:28.000 He's coming back tomorrow.

01:52:29.000 Yeah, tomorrow is going to be a crazy day, ladies and gentlemen.

01:52:32.000 We have not just...

01:52:34.000 Powerful Mac Danzig.

01:52:35.000 We have Billy Corbin, who's the director and producer of Cocaine Cowboys.

01:52:41.000 He's coming in with Mad Flavor, a.k.a.

01:52:43.000 Joey Diaz.

01:52:44.000 So Joey Diaz and the director of Cocaine Cowboys.

01:52:48.000 And Joey was on the phone with me yesterday, who was dropping knowledge.

01:52:50.000 He was warming up for this.

01:52:52.000 He goes, let me tell you something, dog. 0.99

01:52:53.000 I'm going to tell people shit I ain't never told before. 0.99

01:52:56.000 I'm going to tell people shit I ain't never told before, Joe Rogan. 0.98

01:52:59.000 I'm going to go back to my uncle. 0.98

01:53:00.000 We can call him in Miami, 70 years old. 0.99

01:53:03.000 He'll tell you what the fuck happened. 0.99

01:53:04.000 And he started going off and screaming at me on the phone. 0.99

01:53:06.000 After he screamed at me for leaving a message, I fucked up and left a voicemail message on his machine. 1.00

01:53:12.000 If you leave a message on his machine, he'll go crazy and call you up and motherfuck you. 1.00

01:53:15.000 Why? 0.99

01:53:16.000 He doesn't like to listen to messages.

01:53:18.000 But he gets angry at you. 0.99

01:53:19.000 So if you call his voicemail, he goes, what the fuck did I tell you? 0.99

01:53:23.000 No messages! 1.00

01:53:24.000 Do not leave a message on this fucking phone! 1.00

01:53:28.000 So if you leave a message, he goes, bananas. 1.00

01:53:30.000 Even if you have like...

01:53:30.000 Tell him to turn that...

01:53:31.000 You can turn that off, can't you?

01:53:32.000 Nope.

01:53:33.000 He's Joey Diaz. 1.00

01:53:34.000 He's a fucking ape. 1.00

01:53:35.000 He doesn't know what's going on. 1.00

01:53:35.000 Unless you have cash. 1.00

01:53:36.000 Unless you have a job.

01:53:37.000 Yeah, that phone might as well be solid wood. 0.99

01:53:39.000 He doesn't know what the fuck the buttons do. 0.98

01:53:42.000 It shuts off and it runs out of batteries and he hands it to somebody. 0.97

01:53:47.000 He's getting better at that, though.

01:53:49.000 He sent me text messages before and I stuck it in his face. 1.00

01:53:52.000 I go, what the fuck is this? 1.00

01:53:53.000 You sent me a text message? 0.99

01:53:55.000 For the longest time, Joey just had a pager when everyone had cell phones.

01:53:58.000 He still had a pager.

01:53:59.000 Yeah, he didn't have a cell phone until like the 2000s.

01:54:03.000 I'm not bullshitting either, man.

01:54:04.000 I know.

01:54:05.000 Joey Diaz had a pager.

01:54:06.000 Did he have a pager when you met him?

01:54:07.000 Yeah.

01:54:07.000 He might have had a pager when you met him.

01:54:08.000 Yeah.

01:54:09.000 He kept a pager deep, deep into his history.

01:54:12.000 Yeah.

01:54:12.000 When a lot of people had given up the ghost on the pager.

01:54:15.000 It's weird how these things just haven't been around that long, and yet you can't even imagine not having them anymore.

01:54:20.000 Do you remember the transitionary period where a lot of folks in the urban community had those little pagers that would send messages, and you could send a little message to somebody?

01:54:31.000 Meet me at the club.

01:54:34.000 Black folks were way ahead of the curve on that. 0.94

01:54:37.000 They were way ahead of the curve.

01:54:38.000 I never thought that would have caught on.

01:54:39.000 Like, what are you guys doing?

01:54:40.000 Are you texting?

01:54:41.000 I didn't even say texting.

01:54:43.000 It wasn't even called texting.

01:54:44.000 I was like, you're writing each other letters?

01:54:45.000 Like, why are you doing that?

01:54:47.000 And they were like, well, it gets loud in the club.

01:54:49.000 I was like, oh, it gets loud in the club.

01:54:51.000 That makes sense.

01:54:51.000 That's what started it all.

01:54:52.000 Yeah, for real.

01:54:53.000 That's what started it all.

01:54:54.000 It was too loud in the club.

01:54:55.000 Fast forward to the iPhone 5. Well, not only that, but a lot of times, there's another thing that is a phenomenon in the urban community.

01:55:03.000 They like to talk on speakerphone.

01:55:04.000 Yeah.

01:55:05.000 I don't know what's up with that.

01:55:07.000 I've talked about this on this podcast, and people have accused me of being racist.

01:55:10.000 I'm not touching that.

01:55:11.000 Right after they accused me of being racist, I went to Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles, and there's a dude standing right in front of the place, talking on his phone like this.

01:55:19.000 Oh, hell no!

01:55:21.000 Oh, hell no!

01:55:22.000 The other dude was talking loud.

01:55:23.000 You could hear the other dude like super loud.

01:55:25.000 Maybe he heard the Sheryl Crow story, and he's worried about brain tumors, but I don't think so.

01:55:29.000 I think there's something going on.

01:55:31.000 They even had a commercial.

01:55:32.000 Remember that commercial for Boost Mobile?

01:55:34.000 They would have their cell phones like, where you at?

01:55:36.000 They would talk into it!

01:55:37.000 They're not doing this.

01:55:38.000 They're not treating it like a white person phone.

01:55:40.000 No, they're holding it, where you at?

01:55:42.000 Where you at?

01:55:42.000 That was the commercial.

01:55:44.000 They were doing it urban style.

01:55:46.000 It's a weird thing.

01:55:47.000 So I guess that didn't work, you know?

01:55:49.000 Cell phones and clubs.

01:55:51.000 It's when you're on speakerphone all the time. 1.00

01:55:53.000 It's fucking, you can't hear shit. 1.00

01:55:54.000 It's fucking chaos. 1.00

01:55:56.000 Right. 0.99

01:55:56.000 So, imagine? 0.99

01:55:58.000 I mean, remember, I used to have jokes in my act about how text messages were stupid. 0.95

01:56:03.000 In 2005, my Showtime special, I totally mocked text messaging. 0.91

01:56:07.000 It takes you four presses to get an S. This was before anybody had keyboards. 0.97

01:56:12.000 They were starting out with that crazy shit where you would have to press four times to get an S. That was ridiculous. 0.97

01:56:20.000 Remember that? 0.99

01:56:21.000 Dude, we're dinosaurs.

01:56:22.000 I remember when the texting plans were like, 25 texts per month, 50 texts per month, 100!

01:56:28.000 Yeah, if you've got a girlfriend, you go through that in a day.

01:56:31.000 Yeah.

01:56:32.000 You know?

01:56:33.000 Girls love texting. 1.00

01:56:34.000 People are dying and crashing their cars because they just can't keep their fingers off it.

01:56:37.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:38.000 It's a real issue.

01:56:39.000 They say it's one of the worst distractions ever, that you literally cannot focus on your phone.

01:56:45.000 It's like zooming in on something like that and intently is so...

01:56:50.000 It's so non-peripheral.

01:56:52.000 You don't see anything peripheral.

01:56:54.000 You're completely concentrated on that thing.

01:56:56.000 Some lady almost ran into me at the mall the other day because she was on her phone. 1.00

01:56:59.000 She was doing this and she looked up and I was like right in the crosswalk. 1.00

01:57:02.000 People are fucking nuts, man. 1.00

01:57:03.000 They're nuts. 1.00

01:57:04.000 And we've created this weird culture, again, that we're a prisoner to. 0.98

01:57:08.000 And one of the prisons is technology.

01:57:10.000 I mean, we benefit from it, no question about it.

01:57:13.000 But we're also locked into this really weird, symbiotic relationship with it.

01:57:19.000 Like, I do not leave my house without my phone, man.

01:57:23.000 If I don't have my phone on me, I feel weird.

01:57:26.000 Yeah, it is a weird feeling. 0.99

01:57:27.000 It's like, where's my fucking phone? 1.00

01:57:29.000 Shit! 1.00

01:57:29.000 And I'll panic. 1.00

01:57:31.000 Even though it's like, all you have to do is you buy a new phone, you stick it in your computer, all your contacts come up.

01:57:36.000 It takes you...

01:57:36.000 I mean, if you lost your phone, it's not the most...

01:57:38.000 But you're like, how am I going to call people?

01:57:41.000 I'm alone.

01:57:42.000 I'm out here on my own with no tether.

01:57:46.000 Marooned in the desert. 0.99

01:57:47.000 Yeah, we're afraid to be in a fucking town without a cell phone on. 0.99

01:57:50.000 I mean, I feel bizarre if I'm in a town, like say, and it's like a place where you can walk around, and I leave my phone in my hotel room, and then I'll go downstairs and I'll just walk to a restaurant and sit down. 0.98

01:58:01.000 I feel fucking strange!

01:58:04.000 Like, I feel like I can't talk to anybody right now. 0.96

01:58:07.000 And it gets even crazier with all the social media.

01:58:11.000 Like, you have this compulsion to check Twitter and see what certain people are saying that...

01:58:16.000 These are people you don't even know.

01:58:18.000 Well, some people have it hooked up to their phone where they get a text message every time someone tweets any sort of a mention of their name.

01:58:25.000 Yeah, that's insane.

01:58:27.000 Doug Benson has that!

01:58:29.000 So does Dom Herrera.

01:58:30.000 I tweeted on Instagram the other day a picture of Dom Herrera in his sexy pool moves when he was shooting pool and it showed up on his phone. 1.00

01:58:38.000 I'm like, you silly bitch. 1.00

01:58:39.000 You need to turn that shit off. 1.00

01:58:41.000 I'll have people just... 1.00

01:58:42.000 Oh, I think I already have.

01:58:44.000 Do that.

01:58:45.000 Now your phone's going to blow up Don Morero. 0.94

01:58:46.000 Your mention feed is insane. 0.50

01:58:49.000 It just scrolls like crazy all day long.

01:58:52.000 You can't read all that stuff.

01:58:54.000 I read as much as I can, but the problem is some people think I read it all.

01:58:57.000 And they're like, did you respond to my text?

01:58:59.000 Did you respond to my tweet?

01:59:01.000 I'm like, did you respond to my tweet?

01:59:02.000 You want me to really go into your thing?

01:59:04.000 There's a lot of people here, dude.

01:59:06.000 You had the chance to say it again right there, and you didn't.

01:59:08.000 You just said, did you respond to my tweet?

01:59:10.000 Did you respond to fans?

01:59:11.000 Do not respond to fans.

01:59:13.000 Is that what's up?

01:59:13.000 Oh, the negative approach.

01:59:15.000 I get it.

01:59:15.000 The guilt move.

01:59:16.000 Always good.

01:59:18.000 I was hearing Howard Stern talk about Twitter, about how many people are nasty to him on Twitter and how evil they are.

01:59:23.000 I don't get that.

01:59:25.000 I really don't get that much.

01:59:26.000 Twitter is pretty overwhelmingly positive.

01:59:28.000 Yeah.

01:59:28.000 For the most part, compared to other platforms that I've found.

01:59:31.000 I get overwhelmingly positive.

01:59:33.000 I mean, there's always a few cons.

01:59:34.000 But it's so easy to block them.

01:59:36.000 Why even bring them up?

01:59:37.000 And it's rare.

01:59:38.000 It's just really rare.

01:59:39.000 And I think a lot of people on Twitter, like, you look at their names, it's like, that's their real name.

01:59:45.000 It's more than, say, message boards.

01:59:48.000 Message boards, I've always felt like we have a message board on JoeRogan.net.

01:59:53.000 And I've always felt like part of the problem is the anonymity that it provides.

01:59:57.000 In a way, it's good because people can talk about things, especially people that have sensitive jobs and people that are at work.

02:00:03.000 They can get away with talking about things and there's no way to Google them and data reference their name. 0.99

02:00:07.000 But in a way, it's bad because people say shit without any... 0.99

02:00:11.000 They don't worry about the social repercussions of looking at a person's eye and calling them a cunty douchebag. 1.00

02:00:17.000 And then you're like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

02:00:19.000 That negativity is gone. 0.99

02:00:21.000 So it's just these verbal barbs.

02:00:23.000 I think with Twitter, a lot of times, people have their photo.

02:00:28.000 It's not everybody, but a good percentage.

02:00:30.000 I'm looking at my Twitter feed, and most of these are people's names.

02:00:35.000 They're real people.

02:00:36.000 Yeah.

02:00:36.000 There's a few that aren't.

02:00:38.000 There's a few, like, weird names where, you know, it's like maybe, like, one of them's Devo. 0.99

02:00:42.000 Bitch, you're not Devo, you know? 1.00

02:00:44.000 And it's Devo is me, is his Twitter name. 1.00

02:00:46.000 You're not Devo, son.

02:00:48.000 I mean, you might like Devo, but you're not Devo.

02:00:49.000 Who are you really?

02:00:51.000 Right. 0.99

02:00:51.000 His name is Mike Callahan or whatever the fuck his real name is. 0.99

02:00:54.000 When, I think, the more we have that, the more we have, like, a sort of a transparency about, like, who, like, I think people are less likely to just lash out and have it become super negative. 0.98

02:01:05.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:01:06.000 I mean, I think a couple weeks ago when you retweeted a video I made of a kale shake or something like that.

02:01:13.000 We had a back and forth over kale Vitamix or something like that. 0.96

02:01:16.000 So you retweeted this stupid little video that I made of just me making a drink after a run. 0.99

02:01:22.000 And I got slammed with the comments. 1.00

02:01:26.000 Death Squad, Army, in full effect. 1.00

02:01:28.000 Just like, if I saw that guy in the street, I would, you know, stab him in the face. 0.99

02:01:34.000 What? 0.98

02:01:34.000 It's like the most benign thing ever. 0.98

02:01:36.000 Stab him in the face for making a shake? 0.99

02:01:37.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0.98

02:01:39.000 Yeah.

02:01:39.000 Really?

02:01:40.000 I mean, there were some that were fine too, but I was like, suddenly out of the blue, all these comments popped up.

02:01:45.000 So it's clearly as a result of you having this huge following or whatever.

02:01:49.000 Why do they want to stab you, though, for your dietary choice?

02:01:52.000 People are very threatened by the kale, Joe.

02:01:54.000 Yeah, that's why they don't know what to do with me.

02:01:56.000 Because I enjoy the kale.

02:01:58.000 I love the kale.

02:01:59.000 I'm a big fan of pure vegetable meals.

02:02:02.000 It's just food. 0.99

02:02:03.000 It is just food, but people need to be on a fucking team, okay? 0.99

02:02:08.000 Now they're in the death squad army, and if they feel like they're being attacked by vegetarians, they'll fucking throw out all their vegetables. 0.99

02:02:17.000 I don't know why we all can't just get along, to quote Rodney King, before he drowned on PCP in a swimming pool. 0.96

02:02:26.000 It seems to me that the real problem is annoying people.

02:02:30.000 It's not vegetarians.

02:02:31.000 It's not meat eaters.

02:02:32.000 The real problem is annoying people.

02:02:34.000 People that are annoying, that's the issue.

02:02:37.000 It's not your different ideology, your different desire.

02:02:40.000 I know people that legitimately really love classical music and they can't wait to get home. 0.99

02:02:44.000 To put on headphones and sit there in front of some shit that, to me, would just drive me out of my head. 0.97

02:02:50.000 I can listen to classical music for a couple minutes, and then I go, you know what I could be listening to right now? 0.99

02:02:55.000 Led Zeppelin. 1.00

02:02:56.000 Why am I listening to this stupid shit when I can hear a whole lot of love? 1.00

02:02:59.000 To me, I don't like classical music, but it doesn't mean that it's not awesome to you. 1.00

02:03:05.000 It's the same thing with dietary choices, the same thing with the way you dress.

02:03:10.000 Have at it, man.

02:03:11.000 Enjoy your life.

02:03:13.000 We've lost a little bit of...

02:03:16.000 Tolerance.

02:03:16.000 Acceptance and tolerance.

02:03:18.000 It's one of the dumbest things to lose. 0.99

02:03:21.000 That diversity is a good thing. 0.99

02:03:24.000 It's huge!

02:03:24.000 Why are you taking a dump on somebody else's preference that has nothing to do with you?

02:03:30.000 By the way, tolerance and acceptance of people benefits your life very much directly.

02:03:36.000 It benefits the way you feel.

02:03:37.000 The more tolerant and accepting you are of people and the more you're just cool with people, The more positive interactions you'll have, the better your feeling in life will be.

02:03:51.000 And that's like a real direct thing.

02:03:53.000 For sure. 0.99

02:03:54.000 And the negative shit that a lot of people project at people for no reason, what it really is, is your own shortcomings magnified through your personality traits. 0.99

02:04:04.000 It has nothing to do with the person that's being projected upon. 0.99

02:04:07.000 Very rarely does.

02:04:08.000 Very rarely does. 1.00

02:04:08.000 You just choose them for your ire, the target of your bullshit. 1.00

02:04:12.000 But the reality is you wouldn't have that bullshit. 1.00

02:04:15.000 I tried to explain this to a guy once who was a heckler. 1.00

02:04:18.000 I was like, you have to be a loser. 0.99

02:04:21.000 There's no way you can be a winner. 0.99

02:04:23.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:04:23.000 Do you really think that Michael Jordan would go to a comedy club and heckle?

02:04:27.000 Do you think anybody who would be really good at anything would interrupt a performance and just try to interject?

02:04:32.000 No, you have no appreciation for things that are good.

02:04:36.000 This is a dire moment for you where you need to realize this. 1.00

02:04:41.000 Anybody who would try to fuck up someone's time If you're trying to fuck up their enjoyment, you're trying to fuck... 1.00

02:04:48.000 You got something wrong with you, man. 1.00

02:04:50.000 You got something wrong with you.

02:04:51.000 100%.

02:04:51.000 There's no way around it.

02:04:53.000 You have to be fucked up. 1.00

02:04:55.000 And if you weren't that way, you would be happier, believe it or not. 1.00

02:04:59.000 Like, that energy that you put out is palpable. 1.00

02:05:02.000 The energy that you put out being an asshole is real. 1.00

02:05:05.000 And it does come... 1.00

02:05:06.000 It does flavor your life.

02:05:08.000 It definitely comes back.

02:05:09.000 Yeah.

02:05:11.000 And for you, you feel that's dietary as well.

02:05:15.000 Right?

02:05:16.000 So what do you mean?

02:05:18.000 I mean, as far as putting out energy, you're taking in vegetables.

02:05:21.000 You have almost like that existence of only eating vegetables and not being connected to animals. 0.98

02:05:29.000 You know, while farming or, you know, any of that horrible shit that you see in Food Inc. 0.87

02:05:33.000 Well, we're still all connected to it, you know, just by virtue of living here and all the other things that we have to do. 0.99

02:05:38.000 Do you drive a Prius?

02:05:39.000 Please say no.

02:05:40.000 No, I don't.

02:05:41.000 Thank you.

02:05:41.000 I don't.

02:05:41.000 If you drive a V8, like a fucking muscle car, I'd be very proud of you.

02:05:45.000 I wish. 1.00

02:05:46.000 Get to it.

02:05:48.000 I wish. 1.00

02:05:48.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:05:48.000 What have we been talking about these past two hours? 1.00

02:05:51.000 Give me the keys.

02:05:51.000 You really wish.

02:05:52.000 You really wish.

02:05:53.000 Yeah, I know.

02:05:53.000 You need to get a Kickstarter account to get every vegan.

02:05:57.000 I really need that GTO. A muscle car.

02:06:01.000 Yeah, no, there's a certain...

02:06:04.000 I guess it sounds weird to say it, but there's definitely a feeling of greater harmony in the environment.

02:06:12.000 Makes sense. 1.00

02:06:13.000 It sounds really stupid. 0.99

02:06:15.000 It doesn't. 0.99

02:06:16.000 I'm going hunting for the first time in October with Steve Rinella.

02:06:21.000 He's a guy who had a TV show on the Travel Channel called The Wild Within.

02:06:24.000 Now he's got a new one called The Meat Eater.

02:06:27.000 His original show was all about...

02:06:32.000 You know, sort of like living off the land.

02:06:34.000 And he would do a lot of things that were really similar to what people had to do in the 1800s. 0.98

02:06:41.000 Like he would kill a water buffalo with a musket and shit like that. 0.97

02:06:44.000 And in his new show, it's all about what you call fair chase hunting. 0.99

02:06:49.000 And one of the things that I've been really paying attention to a lot lately...

02:06:56.000 is the idea of a hunter-gatherer lifestyle being actually Like a physically benefiting experience for people and that there are certain amounts of, there's a certain system, a reward system that's in our bodies that is satisfied with growing your own food.

02:07:20.000 There's a certain reward system that's satisfied with the hunting and fishing and that our bodies are essentially the same as the bodies of people that lived 20,000 years ago.

02:07:30.000 There's very little genetic change and that we still have these reward systems, these primal feelings of satisfaction that are built into our very being as a human being in order to motivate us to do the correct things to survive and to carry on.

02:07:46.000 And me, personally, as a person who's a meat eater, I've never killed an animal ever. 0.97

02:07:51.000 You know, except accidentally, like, car accidents and shit. 0.95

02:07:54.000 You know, I've never, like, went hunting. 0.82

02:07:57.000 I've never...

02:07:57.000 Actually, I shot a squirrel with a BB when I was, like, little.

02:08:00.000 I think I might have killed that little guy.

02:08:01.000 Sorry. 0.96

02:08:02.000 Sorry, squirrel.

02:08:03.000 But what I'm saying is I've never hunted anything and killed what I ate.

02:08:07.000 And I don't know how I'm going to feel. 1.00

02:08:09.000 I might shoot a deer and be like, okay, fuck this. 1.00

02:08:12.000 I need to get some beats because I'm done with this. 1.00

02:08:15.000 Or I might go, well, you know what? 0.95

02:08:17.000 If I didn't shoot that thing, it would probably get hit by a car. 0.99

02:08:20.000 Or it would get killed by a coyote. 0.99

02:08:22.000 Or, you know, it's like it's going to die.

02:08:24.000 It's not going to live forever and become magical.

02:08:26.000 What's the term you use?

02:08:27.000 Fair...

02:08:27.000 Fair chase.

02:08:29.000 Fair chase.

02:08:29.000 What does that mean?

02:08:30.000 That means you don't set up bait.

02:08:31.000 You don't put out, like, bait and leave food in a very certain spot over and over again so that you know the animals will be there.

02:08:38.000 In Texas, they actually have feeders where they have these giant drums that dispense food on a timer.

02:08:44.000 So in the morning, the deer just start walking in because they know they're going to get fed because most of the time you're not hunting there because they have...

02:08:50.000 Giant, what they call high-fence ranches, and these high-fence ranches, it's essentially like they've converted, they've done like a mixture of farming and hunting.

02:09:01.000 Because it's like, it's really like farming.

02:09:03.000 I mean, you're just harvesting meat.

02:09:05.000 You're in a blind, the animal walks out to the spot he goes to every day, goes to get his food, and Bob blew me!

02:09:12.000 His heart blows out of his chest and he's done.

02:09:14.000 He lies there at his legs kicking.

02:09:15.000 You turn him into meat and you cook him up.

02:09:17.000 And that's a way more humane solution for sure than a factory farm.

02:09:24.000 No doubt about it.

02:09:25.000 I'm not criticizing it, but that's not what Steve Rinella does.

02:09:28.000 What Steve Rinella does, he believes that the real...

02:09:32.000 Satisfaction comes from stalking the game, finding the right place to be, whether you're upwind or downwind, and getting away from the area where the animal can detect you, and stalking and hunting an animal the way people did thousands and thousands of years ago.

02:09:53.000 Did you read that book, Born to Run?

02:09:56.000 No.

02:09:57.000 What is it?

02:09:58.000 It's called Born to Run by Christopher McDougall.

02:10:00.000 It's an amazing book.

02:10:02.000 He's a contributing writer to, I think, Men's Journal or Outside Magazine or something like that.

02:10:07.000 It was a hugely successful book.

02:10:10.000 Let me shut this door. 0.93

02:10:12.000 door.

02:10:13.000 Anyway, this guy went down to the Copper Canyon in Mexico, which is this really remote area I think it's in the northern part of Mexico, but below the Arizona border somewhere.

02:10:33.000 And it's like a land lost in time.

02:10:36.000 Like, it's impossible to get in and out of there.

02:10:37.000 And there are these tribes in there called the Tarahumara.

02:10:40.000 And they're like this It's a population of endurance runners that essentially run barefoot.

02:10:49.000 They have little sandals or whatever.

02:10:51.000 And they'll run incredible distances.

02:10:54.000 And in the course of the book, he gets to sort of commune with these people and it goes into kind of like ultra running and the barefoot running movement and the history of how the running, you know, how Nike Sort of created this business around running shoes.

02:11:09.000 It's fascinating, but one of the things he talks about is this theory that man evolved as a persistent hunter and that we evolved to be endurance runners because we would go to We could chase down these animals that are faster than us, that have much more fast twitch muscle.

02:11:28.000 You can't run as fast as them.

02:11:29.000 But eventually, they get exhausted.

02:11:32.000 Like, they can't run days at a time.

02:11:34.000 And these humans would just patiently People still do it today.

02:11:49.000 Right.

02:11:50.000 So the idea that we were sort of bred to be endurance athletes or runners as a result of this That's fascinating.

02:12:00.000 So did they use weapons when they first did it or did they just like strangle them and hit them with a rock once they got tired?

02:12:07.000 Yeah, I think it was sort of like these animals would be so exhausted that there wasn't much need to do anything severe.

02:12:15.000 Like they'd keel over, they'd hit them with a rock.

02:12:16.000 Wouldn't it be fascinating if we really knew for sure?

02:12:19.000 It's like really funny when you have like things like that like how did we develop this ability to do this?

02:12:24.000 When did they figure out about persistence hunting and running?

02:12:26.000 It would be really amazing if we could know for sure.

02:12:29.000 It's so funny about how much of like the past of human beings is like This weird just ideas where you're trying to like piece it together and like formulate like a vision of how things went down.

02:12:42.000 It's really hard to just extrapolate that across you know and apply it to a certain nutritional way of living like you know with paleo it's sort of all right well paleolithic but you know how many how many thousands of years ago are we talking about or millions of years ago four million forty million forty thousand Right, what is it where your body accepts it?

02:13:02.000 And what part of the world and, you know, certain peoples evolved to, you know, had an approach to food because of what was available to them in a different way than somewhere else.

02:13:11.000 And piecing that puzzle together is, you know, I mean, it's tricky.

02:13:15.000 And they've just started finding some really interesting things that show that you might be dealing with far, far older societies than we think in the first place.

02:13:25.000 Like, they're always pushing the dates back of, like, when people figured certain things out.

02:13:29.000 Like, there's some cave art now that they've discovered now that they're looking at, like, 40,000-plus years ago.

02:13:35.000 And, like, okay, this is, like, this throws things way back.

02:13:38.000 You know, there's...

02:13:40.000 It's really a fascinating thing, trying to piece together what human beings, how we become what we are right now, and what led us to this point, this apex of 2012, the whole process of hunter and gathering.

02:13:55.000 I mean, that's what a lot of people say, the thing went wrong when we developed agriculture.

02:13:59.000 That's when the thing went wrong. 0.98

02:14:01.000 So we figured out how to have a surplus, because then we had to defend that surplus, and then we had this big fucking fort. 0.88

02:14:05.000 But that was also sort of the birth of civilization and the intellect, too. 0.85

02:14:11.000 Exactly.

02:14:11.000 Where it went wrong.

02:14:12.000 It's where it all went wrong, man. 0.99

02:14:13.000 We fucked it up. 0.98

02:14:14.000 We fucked it up by thinking. 0.81

02:14:16.000 We could have been having a great time back in the... 0.64

02:14:18.000 Spending a week chasing down one gazelle. 0.98

02:14:21.000 Yeah, the video where the guy does it, he does it in Africa, the video that I saw, and he's fucking persistent hunting. 0.96

02:14:27.000 So he just...

02:14:28.000 How long did it take him?

02:14:29.000 Forever.

02:14:30.000 It was a long day. 1.00

02:14:31.000 He just kept chasing this fucking thing. 1.00

02:14:33.000 And at the end, he was so tired. 1.00

02:14:34.000 And they said that the guy doesn't even eat it.

02:14:37.000 The guy who kills the animal didn't even eat it out of respect for the process or the connection that he has to the animal.

02:14:47.000 That's the weirdest thing.

02:14:50.000 One of the weirdest things about human beings is our lack of connection to what food is.

02:14:55.000 People that get upset if you want to go hunting, yet they're wearing leather.

02:15:00.000 People that eat meat but would never kill it themselves.

02:15:03.000 We've really figured out a way to completely disconnect people from the process, which I can't see that being natural.

02:15:12.000 Just living with this ignorance.

02:15:14.000 But denial and disassociation are very powerful.

02:15:17.000 And they're powerful defense mechanisms for just getting through the day.

02:15:23.000 Yeah.

02:15:23.000 How do you fix that?

02:15:24.000 How do you... 0.98

02:15:26.000 Is there a way to inspire in the classroom a different way of looking at things so that people don't grow up to be the same fucked up pattern monkeys over and over and over again?

02:15:40.000 Well, it's weird, because in some ways I feel like it's changing and it's getting better, and then in other ways I feel like it's moving backwards.

02:15:47.000 I mean, when you have the internet and you have all this unbelievable, you know, amount of information available to you where you can find out anything in an instant and you can get to the bottom of, you know, what's happening in subject X, that's like a good thing, right?

02:16:02.000 Like, it pulls the covers on a lot of people and a lot of organizations and what have you.

02:16:06.000 And yet, at the same time, you have traditional media that's becoming even more and more entrenched.

02:16:12.000 You know, it's sort of like, remember when we were kids?

02:16:14.000 It was like the local news and that was how you got your news, you know?

02:16:17.000 And you're going to believe what they tell you.

02:16:19.000 And now, with the internet, you watch the news and you're like, well, I don't know if that's the whole story.

02:16:25.000 And why aren't they saying this?

02:16:26.000 And it's easy to go online and extrapolate upon that and find out more and figure out why they're not telling you this part of the story or that.

02:16:34.000 Whereas you didn't have that before.

02:16:35.000 Yet at the same time, I feel like we're more and more entrenched in this fear-based culture in which there's a clampdown.

02:16:42.000 So where does that lead us?

02:16:44.000 Ultimately, does that implode on itself?

02:16:48.000 How does that all play out?

02:16:50.000 That's the question, right?

02:16:51.000 I mean, it is playing out.

02:16:52.000 And I think, believe it or not, without sounding grandiose, conversations like this are a part of the decision-making process.

02:17:00.000 It's a part of how society looks at it, about how we approach it, because there's a lot of people that are like you that realize that this is not natural.

02:17:09.000 This whole thing is bizarre, and it can go wrong.

02:17:13.000 It can all go wrong.

02:17:15.000 This fear-based culture that you brought up, the idea of the lack of civil liberties, the lack of privacy that we really have in this country now, the laws that are being passed over and over again that allow people to Look into your stuff because you might be a terrorist.

02:17:30.000 How did we not learn from the McCarthy era?

02:17:33.000 How did we not learn that the way is not to crack down?

02:17:36.000 Because we're distracted.

02:17:37.000 We're distracted by our iPhones and the Kardashians.

02:17:40.000 You know what I mean?

02:17:41.000 People are...

02:17:43.000 There is a malaise.

02:17:44.000 And technology plays a huge part in that, in distracting us.

02:17:50.000 Again, it's like the Matrix.

02:17:52.000 It's crazy.

02:17:54.000 It's weird because...

02:17:57.000 You used to be, if you were to talk about this kind of stuff or propose any of these ideas, you were just a crazy conspiracy theorist.

02:18:03.000 But now, there's too many crazy things going on to not, you know, realize that there's a lot of truth to all this stuff.

02:18:12.000 I mean, everything from, like, the label on the front of a food product that you buy that's telling you this and that, you turn around and look at the nutrition facts panel and you realize it's nonsense.

02:18:23.000 Or how about genetically modified foods?

02:18:25.000 Well, that's insane.

02:18:25.000 To the people that are making them, have you looked down the road 20 years and found out what's going to happen when people eat these?

02:18:34.000 That's really scary.

02:18:35.000 How's it going to alter the environment? 0.99

02:18:36.000 You're developing a fucking thing that has a natural pesticide? 0.98

02:18:40.000 Humans are not, we're not wired to be forward-thinking or to consider the long play, you know? 1.00

02:18:47.000 No, we're a bunch of scary creeps, button-pushing monkeys and bang sticks.

02:18:52.000 Where did I just hear recently somebody said, I can't remember where I heard this, but if all the insects died, that, uh...

02:18:59.000 If all the insects died, the whole earth would be dead in 50 years or something like that.

02:19:05.000 But if all the humans died, the earth would thrive.

02:19:08.000 It would repair itself.

02:19:10.000 I believe that.

02:19:11.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

02:19:12.000 I mean, just the mass of ants and the jobs that ants do.

02:19:16.000 People don't understand.

02:19:18.000 You know, gazelles have to be there, then that means you have to have cheetahs. 0.98

02:19:22.000 You have to have something that cleans things up. 0.99

02:19:24.000 And, you know, ants play a very important role in the removal of shit that we leave around. 0.78

02:19:28.000 I mean, ants have, you know, when you leave something on a table and the ants swarm it, that's what they're supposed to do. 0.99

02:19:34.000 They find shit on the ground. 0.81

02:19:35.000 They find dead bodies. 1.00

02:19:36.000 They find everything.

02:19:37.000 And they go to work.

02:19:38.000 What about all this craziness with the bees?

02:19:41.000 It's weird.

02:19:42.000 Yeah.

02:19:42.000 It's very weird.

02:19:43.000 It's weird because there's a bunch of different theories and no one seems to know what the fuck it is. 0.97

02:19:48.000 Some people say it's cell phones and that the extra cell phone signals are fucking with the bees. 0.98

02:19:52.000 And I've talked to experts and they say there's no doubt about it that it has an effect on the bees.

02:19:57.000 That the frequency that they operate in, that they can pick up bands of radio waves and things because of their antenna.

02:20:03.000 I mean, they communicate with each other.

02:20:05.000 We had a thing on Fear Factor once where we covered these people in bees.

02:20:09.000 And when we were out in this place called Sable Ranch, and it's a huge ranch, and a natural hive of bees was at the ranch.

02:20:17.000 So they have all these bees on these people.

02:20:20.000 These local bees came flying in, like a giant group of them, and they all made a huge cloud in the sky.

02:20:28.000 And the bee handler was like, alright, everybody, let's back away from this.

02:20:31.000 Everybody get way back.

02:20:32.000 They've got to work this out.

02:20:33.000 So they worked it out.

02:20:35.000 They communicated with each other, and they found out who was who, and then the local bees separated.

02:20:40.000 And they let the bees that were this guy's honeybees, the trained bees, they're never trained, the contained bees, I guess you would say, let them go about their business.

02:20:49.000 But it's like there was some communication going on.

02:20:51.000 And this guy said they had to work this out.

02:20:54.000 That's how he described it.

02:20:56.000 And I go, what do you mean work it out?

02:20:57.000 What's going on here?

02:20:59.000 That's incredible.

02:20:59.000 Oh, it's amazing.

02:21:00.000 Because I... What's amazing is that nobody seemed to give a fuck. 0.99

02:21:05.000 I was baffled. 0.97

02:21:08.000 I'm like, are they up there talking?

02:21:10.000 Are they talking right now?

02:21:11.000 His bees were like...

02:21:12.000 They all got together.

02:21:14.000 And I was amazed that this guy knew what was going on.

02:21:18.000 That he knew that some local bees came in.

02:21:21.000 And he knew that that's all they had to do.

02:21:22.000 They just had to get together and talk.

02:21:23.000 I'm like, how often does this happen?

02:21:25.000 And he's like, it happens all the time.

02:21:26.000 The bees find out there's some other bees in their area. 0.99

02:21:29.000 Like, how the fuck are they finding out? 0.98

02:21:31.000 I guess they send scouts, maybe? 0.99

02:21:32.000 They have one guy that's like, dude, there's a fucking hundred guys I never met before.

02:21:37.000 How does the scout come out and then come back and communicate that information to get everyone else to come out? 0.93

02:21:42.000 Yeah, they say they do it through pheromones.

02:21:45.000 There's a lot of confusion about how they do it and what level of communication they actually have because they're so alien to us.

02:21:55.000 They're fascinating.

02:21:56.000 If they're using any of our cell phone networks, they're probably just texting each other.

02:21:59.000 I think they're just getting jacked.

02:22:01.000 I think our cell phone networks are like jackhammers in their heads.

02:22:04.000 They're disappearing, but they can't find them either.

02:22:07.000 It's sort of like, where are they going?

02:22:10.000 Well, they're not disappearing.

02:22:11.000 They're dying.

02:22:12.000 They're not breeding properly, right?

02:22:14.000 Yeah, it's crazy. 0.99

02:22:15.000 And if we don't have bees, especially honeybees, we're really fucked. 0.99

02:22:18.000 We need to come up with little robot bees that do a better job than bees. 1.00

02:22:23.000 Little tiny microscopic robots that go out and pollinate shit. 1.00

02:22:27.000 Is that so hard? 1.00

02:22:28.000 Yeah, why do you have to have drones to kill people in Pakistan? 0.95

02:22:30.000 We need some drone bees. 1.00

02:22:31.000 The bee is so complex. 0.99

02:22:33.000 What if we have this badass bee that's less complex and we control that little motherfucker? 1.00

02:22:37.000 All it has to do is pollinate. 0.99

02:22:40.000 We can make our own honey, I'm pretty sure.

02:22:41.000 We don't need bees for that, right?

02:22:43.000 Can we figure out a way to make artificial honey?

02:22:45.000 Probably.

02:22:46.000 They say that local honey from the area that you are contains protection from the local ailments.

02:22:56.000 Like, say, if there's local colds going on.

02:22:58.000 That it would be a good antioxidant, not cure, but a good prevention from catching local colds.

02:23:09.000 Raw honey.

02:23:10.000 And raw food really is where it's at.

02:23:12.000 The real problem with milk for a lot of people is the...

02:23:15.000 The fact that you have to get it homogenized and pasteurized.

02:23:19.000 If you get raw milk, it's way easier to digest.

02:23:23.000 I don't necessarily know.

02:23:24.000 That makes government crazy.

02:23:26.000 Well, I mean, that whole thing that went down in Santa Monica, I think they're still in...

02:23:29.000 What happened?

02:23:30.000 There was that, there's a, was it the Santa Monica Co-op?

02:23:33.000 Or there was some place in Santa Monica that was selling raw milk.

02:23:36.000 And the government, like, clamped down.

02:23:39.000 They, like, raided the place.

02:23:40.000 I guess they'd given them a couple warnings or maybe had done, like, a mellow raid earlier.

02:23:45.000 And they kept trying to sell raw milk.

02:23:47.000 And then they finally went in, like, guns blazing and shut them down.

02:23:50.000 And there's always lawsuits now.

02:23:52.000 Yeah, the guy was on, like, a million dollars bail or something.

02:23:55.000 Right, right.

02:23:56.000 Well, what I found out, though, is that raw milk is still legal.

02:23:59.000 You can buy raw milk in this country, in this state.

02:24:01.000 So, what did the guy do that was...

02:24:03.000 I don't know.

02:24:04.000 Some regulatory issue.

02:24:05.000 But Sprouts in Woodland Hills has raw milk.

02:24:10.000 They do?

02:24:10.000 Yeah.

02:24:11.000 There's certain companies that, in California, sell raw milk.

02:24:15.000 Huh.

02:24:16.000 Yeah, hold on.

02:24:18.000 There's a famous raw milk company, and they list where they sell it.

02:24:29.000 And they sell it at quite a few different places.

02:24:33.000 Yeah, we need to find the law on that, because raw milk... 0.64

02:24:39.000 I was under the mistaken impression that it was illegal because they pulled it out of Whole Foods.

02:24:43.000 Whole Foods?

02:24:44.000 Whole Foods.

02:24:45.000 Whole Foods?

02:24:46.000 Raw Milk, Los Angeles.

02:24:49.000 Yeah, let me see here.

02:24:50.000 Yeah.

02:24:51.000 Yeah, you can get...

02:24:52.000 There's websites that are...

02:24:53.000 Then what happened with that guy in Santa Monica?

02:24:56.000 Because that was a gnarly situation.

02:24:58.000 There's actually a raw milk store in Hollywood.

02:25:02.000 Shout out to the OPDC Hub, a raw milk store where you can buy raw milk in L.A. Yeah, oops, every now and then it sickens 10 people.

02:25:13.000 Raw milk sickens 10 people. 0.94

02:25:15.000 Well, you know, the thing about raw milk is, it's like the thing, you're not supposed to be able to take milk, and it sits on the couch, or it sits rather in the refrigerator for a fucking week and a half, and it's still good. 0.99

02:25:26.000 That's crazy! 0.89

02:25:27.000 That doesn't exist in nature.

02:25:29.000 You can't take a steak and leave it in your fridge for a week and a half. 1.00

02:25:32.000 It looks like shit. 1.00

02:25:33.000 It smells terrible. 1.00

02:25:34.000 Because it's rotting.

02:25:36.000 That's going on with your milk, too.

02:25:37.000 At a certain point in time, it's not going to be good anymore.

02:25:40.000 You can't just... 1.00

02:25:41.000 But that homogenized, pasteurized shit. 1.00

02:25:43.000 You just leave it in there. 1.00

02:25:44.000 Weeks later.

02:25:45.000 It stays good.

02:25:46.000 Yeah, you open the top weeks later.

02:25:47.000 You smell it.

02:25:48.000 You're like, it's fine.

02:25:49.000 That's crazy. 0.94

02:25:50.000 We've figured out a way to preserve things and make them all fucking funky. 0.89

02:25:54.000 Did you have a milkman when you were a kid? 0.96

02:25:56.000 For a very brief point in time, I think my grandparents did.

02:25:59.000 Because I do remember it.

02:26:01.000 I don't think it was our house, but I do remember it.

02:26:04.000 So I think it was my grandparents, but they had a glass bottle with a foil top.

02:26:08.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:26:09.000 Does that even exist anymore?

02:26:11.000 I bet somebody must offer that service.

02:26:13.000 There's always these small companies.

02:26:16.000 Grass-fed is a big issue now with a lot of people.

02:26:20.000 Specifically, before we end this, I wanted to find out, what is wrong with what the paleo guys are saying, in your opinion, and what's faulty about their thinking?

02:26:32.000 What's faulty about their thinking?

02:26:34.000 Well, I think that...

02:26:38.000 What's problematic for me is this idea that it's a low-carb focus, right?

02:26:44.000 It's low-carb, high-protein.

02:26:46.000 I think the focus is to eat like people ate thousands of years ago because that's how our body's set up.

02:26:51.000 So it's essentially like just vegetables and meat.

02:26:54.000 The research on how we ate thousands of years ago, again, going back to what we talked about before, there's holes in that.

02:27:03.000 Is there?

02:27:04.000 Yeah, I mean, we were hunter and gatherer, so there's a gathering part to that that gets overlooked in favor of the hunting part, because that's a little sexier, I guess. 0.99

02:27:13.000 It is sexy as fuck. 0.89

02:27:16.000 But the idea of eating, you know, such a low, like the no grain thing, the no fruit thing, all of that to, you know, focus on the meat, the saturated fat, the high protein, the low carbohydrate is sort of, 0.97

02:27:31.000 in a certain respect, is kind of an extrapolation of the Atkins diet, you know, which is where this whole idea of, you know, this way of eating, which helps you lose weight relatively quickly, but also Can cause you problems with ketosis and eating too much protein, which can be damaging.

02:27:51.000 As an athlete, I don't know how you're supposed to function without eating more carbohydrates.

02:27:58.000 I couldn't do it without eating plenty of grains and fruit.

02:28:02.000 And that's just speaking from my own experience.

02:28:04.000 But my biggest thing is, again, going back to what we talked about earlier, which is This incredible incidence of Western disease that we have to deal with here.

02:28:19.000 And when people are dropping dead of heart attacks left and right, and it's a gigantic problem.

02:28:25.000 Diabetes, obesity, Alzheimer's, all these kinds of things.

02:28:29.000 And there are studies that link animal products to the incidence of these disease.

02:28:35.000 To me, it makes more sense to eat plant-based.

02:28:39.000 And the studies show that when you eat a plant-based diet, you can actually prevent yourself from contracting these essentially food-borne illnesses.

02:28:47.000 So it's not that I have some huge beef with paleo, per se.

02:28:54.000 I'm just more pro-plant-based diet.

02:28:57.000 And again, I think there's a lot of cool stuff about paleo.

02:29:00.000 Like, I love the evolutionary fitness aspect of it.

02:29:03.000 You know, the sort of return to Moving your body and the kettle balls and the focus on core strength and how that birthed CrossFit and all of that.

02:29:11.000 I think that stuff's fantastic.

02:29:13.000 I think that a plant-based diet and a paleo diet have a lot more in common than they do differences when compared to a standard American diet, for sure.

02:29:27.000 Well, a standard American diet isn't even really a diet.

02:29:29.000 It's just a filler.

02:29:31.000 I know, but the problem is that If you ask people, 90% of people, if you ask them, will tell you they eat healthy, when in fact it's probably like 1% of people that actually eat healthy, or everybody wouldn't be keeling over with heart disease.

02:29:44.000 And I think that heart disease starts when you're a teenager.

02:29:48.000 You start clogging those arteries at a very young age, and you hear these stories of like, oh, I had no symptoms, and then I keeled over from a heart attack.

02:29:55.000 You've been working on that disease for 20 years.

02:29:58.000 You know what I mean?

02:29:59.000 And it's a real problem.

02:30:01.000 And it just doesn't need to exist.

02:30:03.000 And so from everything that I've read, the best way to prevent that is to cut the meat and dairy out of your diet.

02:30:10.000 I don't know how to say it any other way.

02:30:12.000 So why do the paleo guys deny this?

02:30:14.000 And the paleo guys seem to point to the fact that there's an actual benefit to eating meat and that a vegetarian diet or a vegan diet does not have All the nutritional benefits of meat-eating, protein-eating diets.

02:30:27.000 I don't know why they say that, because I don't believe that to be true.

02:30:30.000 I mean, if they're saying that you can't thrive on a vegan diet, I mean, it's an ill-founded statement.

02:30:38.000 I mean, I think even Rob himself said, you know, lots of guys do well on a vegan diet, and he said he tried a vegan diet, and ultimately he lost a ton of weight.

02:30:47.000 I think he said he lost a whole bunch of weight or whatever.

02:30:49.000 And I can't remember why he said he decided to not do it anymore, whether he wasn't feeling good or whatever, but I'd be interested in knowing what it was that he was eating.

02:30:57.000 Because I think most people that say, yeah, I tried a vegan diet, it didn't work for me, or I felt lousy.

02:31:02.000 Well, I don't know what that means, you know?

02:31:03.000 I mean, you can be a junk food vegan and eat terribly and be nutrient deprived for sure, you know?

02:31:09.000 So it's not about eating tofurkey and fake chicken fingers, it's about the whole foods, you know, the whole food plant-based diet.

02:31:18.000 And that means You know, similar to paleo, getting rid of the oils, you know, or, you know, reducing the oils.

02:31:27.000 Well, not the saturated fats, but the other fats.

02:31:29.000 I mean, most of the plant-based oils don't have saturated.

02:31:33.000 I mean, coconut oil does, or a couple that do.

02:31:36.000 But, you know...

02:31:37.000 But it's actually still very good for you.

02:31:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:31:40.000 But those also, you know, contribute to atherosclerosis and stuff like that.

02:31:44.000 Coconut oil does?

02:31:46.000 No, just oils in general.

02:31:48.000 Coconut oil can contribute to...

02:31:51.000 Yeah, I mean, there is a certain contingent of the whole food plant-based diet movement that basically say no oils.

02:31:57.000 No oils in your diet.

02:31:58.000 What?

02:31:59.000 Yeah.

02:31:59.000 But I thought that oils are essential for brain function and for...

02:32:04.000 These are the people that are, this is like the Dr. Esselstyn, the T. Colin Campbell, like the hardcores or whatever, and they're speaking to people that have suffered heart attacks or, you know, are in seriously poor health and are in a position where they really need to reverse a condition that they're in.

02:32:20.000 So it's an extreme situation.

02:32:22.000 Personally, I eat oils.

02:32:24.000 I put coconut oil in my morning Vitamix.

02:32:27.000 I like olive oil in my dressing or whatever.

02:32:29.000 I try not to overdo it.

02:32:30.000 I'm judicious about it.

02:32:31.000 But I feel like I need that in order to get the calories that I need to train the way that I want to train.

02:32:38.000 Yeah, because there's a lot of people that believe that fats and oils are critical to brain function.

02:32:45.000 Not only that, they're a very efficient source of energy, especially in endurance sports, because every gram of fat has much more, whatever it is, kilojoules of energy than a gram of sugar or gram of carbohydrate.

02:32:59.000 Really?

02:33:00.000 So you're better off...

02:33:02.000 But it's metabolized in a different way.

02:33:04.000 You know what I mean?

02:33:05.000 In endurance sports, you're always looking at what zone of exertion you're training in.

02:33:11.000 And that can be calculated by heart rate, like wearing a heart rate monitor or on a bike by a power meter that measures the amount of watts, like the force that you're exerting on the pedal.

02:33:22.000 And you can be very specific about what your exertion level is and how that correlates to which energy mechanism you're using.

02:33:31.000 And so when you're an endurance athlete, you want to really emphasize the fat burning zone, which is like the lower intensity, the aerobic zone of energy, which is kind of like Just below that level where you feel like you're getting a little too winded.

02:33:45.000 You know what I mean?

02:33:46.000 And it's a certain level of exertion in which you're metabolizing fat for energy as opposed to glycogen.

02:33:51.000 And if you're metabolizing fat for energy, you can essentially go all day.

02:33:55.000 The more you train that mechanism, it gets more and more efficient.

02:33:59.000 But if your exertion ramps up and you're burning glycogen all of a sudden for energy, You're only going to be able to go about 90 minutes before you run out of fuel.

02:34:08.000 You can deplete your glycogen stores.

02:34:10.000 You're never going to deplete your fat stores.

02:34:13.000 There's just too much of it.

02:34:14.000 So you can train your body to burn off fat instead of training your body to burn off carbohydrates?

02:34:21.000 You're training your body to utilize fat for energy.

02:34:25.000 So it's not like you're, you know, there's a difference between dietary fat, subcutaneous fat, but we all have, no matter how lean you are and how matter, you know, I've gotten very, very lean, you still have a lot of, you know, fat in your system that's available as an energy resource.

02:34:40.000 And how do you train your body to do that?

02:34:42.000 By being very specific about the training zones and the exertion levels that you're doing, whether it's running, swimming, or biking.

02:34:52.000 So, for example, cycling is like a perfect machine for the human because you can rig it all up to a computer and you can be very, very specific about what your output is.

02:35:03.000 You have a heart rate monitor.

02:35:05.000 The bikes these days have a computer on them, right?

02:35:08.000 So you have your power meter, which registers the force you're exerting on the pedals in watts.

02:35:12.000 And then you can extrapolate that out after a ride, what your average watts are for that ride.

02:35:17.000 And then you balance that against what your heart rate was at that particular watts, what the grade, you know, how much elevation gain you had, what the exterior temperature is.

02:35:26.000 And you can create these insane graphs and look at it and, like, make judgment calls about where your fitness is, where your weaknesses are, and adjust your training program accordingly.

02:35:34.000 And so when you're training for Endurance or ultra-endurance, again, it goes back to really emphasizing that fat burning zone, that aerobic zone.

02:35:43.000 Because the more efficient you can be at that, you can improve your speed without doing that much speed work.

02:35:52.000 I'm not saying this very articulately.

02:35:57.000 I'll give you an example.

02:35:58.000 When I first started doing this endurance stuff and wanted to stay in my zone two, which is the aerobic zone, I would have to keep my heart rate when I was running below about 145. Initially, When I first started running, if I ran faster than like a 9 or a 9.30 pace, my heart rate would go over 145. And when it went over 145, I knew I was no longer in the fat burning zone and I was getting into the glycogen burning zone.

02:36:27.000 But by staying in that specific heart rate region over time, my pace increased without my heart rate going up, which is telling me that I'm becoming a more efficient athlete.

02:36:40.000 At a certain level of exertion, my body is becoming faster and more efficient.

02:36:45.000 So by training less hard, less physical exertion, you actually improve your boundaries?

02:36:52.000 In a certain respect, yeah.

02:36:53.000 I mean, it was explained to me initially, like, if you want to go fast, first you're going to have to go slow.

02:36:59.000 Wow.

02:37:00.000 And build the foundation of this machine from the ground up.

02:37:03.000 And that doesn't mean there isn't a time and place for speed work and, you know, super...

02:37:08.000 Exertion work at a higher intensity zone, but the key to success in endurance sports is really emphasizing that aerobic zone training.

02:37:19.000 And efficiency.

02:37:20.000 And so, for example, when I first started doing this training and I'd go out for these crazy long training sessions, I'd come back, I was starving, I'd be eating, you know, I just couldn't eat enough food.

02:37:30.000 Now, the toll that it, the tax on my body for doing a similar workout, like four or five years later, Is de minimis compared to what it was before.

02:37:40.000 So actually my appetite has gone down, even though the training has been the same, if not more difficult.

02:37:47.000 So the body adapts, in other words.

02:37:50.000 Wow, that is fascinating stuff.

02:37:51.000 So how often are you wearing a heart monitor while you're training, while you're exercising?

02:37:56.000 Always. 0.97

02:37:58.000 See, I always buy them, and I just fucking leave them sit there, and I just work out. 0.96

02:38:03.000 I just work out hard, and then I'm done. 0.97

02:38:05.000 Well, you know, coming from swimming and what it was like in the 80s, you know, it was always, you know, go hard or go home and no pain, no gain.

02:38:13.000 It's like if I had an hour to work out and I was going to go for a run, just run as hard as I can, you know, as fast as I can in that given hour and that's the best workout that I'm going to get.

02:38:22.000 And actually, you know, the truth couldn't be more different.

02:38:26.000 So if you want to get better, and that's the problem with a lot of sort of amateur athletes that want to do marathons or 10Ks or even like shorter distance triathlons, by training that way of just kind of using the time allotted and going as hard as you can in that allotted period of time, you're going to reach a certain level of fitness and aptitude in what you're trying to do, but you're very quickly going to hit a glass ceiling and you're going to plateau and you're not going to be able to break through.

02:38:49.000 So what is the way to break through?

02:38:51.000 The way to break through is to step it back and really, again, go back to building that foundation from the ground up and focusing on if you slow down and really focus on improving your aerobic efficiency, and it's time consuming.

02:39:07.000 It takes time to do this.

02:39:09.000 Then you are building a platform upon which that speed work which you will do later is going to catapult you into a new realm of proficiency.

02:39:19.000 So it's all about...

02:39:20.000 It does make sense.

02:39:21.000 So it's all about pushing the heart rate at a certain pace Yeah.

02:39:27.000 and then building up to the point where you could do that easier and easier and easier and that is your aerobic base. 0.89

02:39:34.000 It's not about these wild sprints till your heart wants to fucking explode. 0.55

02:39:37.000 It's actually about building up your ability to maintain a heart rate even though you're doing more work. 0.55

02:39:45.000 Maintain the same heart rate of 145s Well, yeah.

02:39:49.000 I mean, that's just my personal example.

02:39:51.000 But I mean, it requires a different kind of discipline because you kind of have to check your ego at the door.

02:39:56.000 You know what I mean?

02:39:57.000 And sometimes you want that feeling of like, I just exerted myself.

02:40:00.000 I feel like I did some work.

02:40:01.000 I got something done.

02:40:03.000 And having the discipline to say, every workout has a purpose.

02:40:06.000 And the purpose of this workout is I'm going to run for an hour and a half.

02:40:09.000 And my goal is to never let my heart rate exceed that zone 2 threshold.

02:40:15.000 That means I'm going to finish the run and maybe I'm not even going to feel that tired.

02:40:19.000 I was like, I don't feel like I got anything out of that.

02:40:21.000 And believing in that program and sticking to it over time to build that house.

02:40:26.000 Do you think that that's a good way that someone should approach martial arts as well?

02:40:31.000 And that strength and conditioning for martial arts, like say kettlebells or something like that, they should also do the same sort of a thing?

02:40:36.000 Maintain...

02:40:37.000 Well, it's a little bit different because endurance sports are so much about efficiency of movement, you know, and over a prolonged period of time, whereas something like jujitsu or what have you is about explosive speed.

02:40:51.000 But at the same time, you're going to be in the ring for a prolonged period of time.

02:40:55.000 If you have the sort of lung capacity and stamina to endure longer than your competitor, so that you're fresher in that last round than he is, then you're going to have an advantage.

02:41:06.000 So I think that what that would mean, and certainly I'm no expert in martial arts or what have you, so I don't want to get schooled for saying the wrong thing, but it would seem to me that in the off-season, Quite a bit of time before you get into your training camps leading up to a fight, you would focus on doing a lot of base aerobic training work to kind of lay that endurance foundation.

02:41:29.000 And then you build upon that with the specific strength and explosive speed exercises to, you know, have that pyramid come to a peak when it comes to fight day.

02:41:38.000 Well, one of the best fighters in the world, Nick Diaz, is a known triathlete.

02:41:43.000 I mean, he's constantly doing massive endurance work.

02:41:46.000 And the thing about Nick is that he puts guys, he puts them into a pace.

02:41:51.000 He sets them up.

02:41:52.000 Like when he fights, he pushes a pace that other guys can't compete with.

02:41:57.000 Like he uses his endurance.

02:41:59.000 He uses his very strong endurance base as an extra weapon.

02:42:03.000 It's an extra thing.

02:42:04.000 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

02:42:06.000 Yeah, because he can just keep going.

02:42:08.000 He swam back from Alcatraz twice.

02:42:10.000 I mean, he's got ridiculous endurance.

02:42:12.000 And because of that, you know, he's like one of the scariest guys in the world because of that.

02:42:17.000 Because you know you're not going to wear him out.

02:42:19.000 You're never going to wear him out.

02:42:20.000 It's impossible.

02:42:21.000 He'll be scrambling deep into the fifth round when you're gasping for air.

02:42:24.000 He'll be fine. 1.00

02:42:25.000 And he talks shit to you while he's beating on you. 1.00

02:42:29.000 Terrible nightmare. 1.00

02:42:30.000 Demoralizes you at the same time.

02:42:31.000 Pretty sure he follows basically a vegan diet as well.

02:42:34.000 Yeah, that's what I thought.

02:42:35.000 Yeah, he does it for performance reasons.

02:42:37.000 I think Jake Shields does as well.

02:42:38.000 I think Jake may eat eggs occasionally, but I think that's it.

02:42:43.000 For a lot of people who don't know, I didn't know until I was 30, that when you have an egg, it's not like something died.

02:42:49.000 The chickens just slay those eggs. 1.00

02:42:50.000 And if they're not fertilized by the male, if the rooster doesn't get in the hen house, those eggs just go to waste.

02:42:56.000 You can eat them.

02:42:57.000 You don't even have bad karma.

02:43:00.000 Dude, is there a book that someone could read about this conditioning thing?

02:43:05.000 I know that for a lot of people that do jujitsu, this is going to be really fascinating for a lot of people that do anything athletic.

02:43:11.000 What is a good book that they could read about heart rates?

02:43:15.000 Well, they could read my book.

02:43:17.000 Well, tell us what it is.

02:43:18.000 What's your book?

02:43:19.000 My book is called Finding Ultra.

02:43:20.000 Actually, can I grab it?

02:43:21.000 Yeah, please do.

02:43:22.000 I would love to read it.

02:43:24.000 Here's it on the screen.

02:43:26.000 Oh, there you go.

02:43:29.000 And is this your life story?

02:43:31.000 Is it also...

02:43:32.000 Yeah, I mean, this is...

02:43:33.000 It's essentially a memoir.

02:43:36.000 It's like my personal story, but it has a lot about how I sort of reinvented myself as an athlete and how I had to kind of relearn some certain principles about fitness that I grappled with and didn't understand initially that...

02:43:50.000 Sort of allowed me, I believe, to reach a new level of fitness heights that I certainly didn't think was possible, particularly as a middle-aged guy.

02:43:59.000 And you did this all through that method of building up the aerobic base?

02:44:03.000 Yeah, and I was training for a very specific thing that is, you know, not what most people are training for.

02:44:08.000 The kind of principles that we were just talking about, I think, are applicable to, you know, the sort of weekend warrior athlete, whether you want to, you know, go out and be able to feel good in your pickup basketball game or touch football or whatever it is, it's how to use your time-crunched days effectively, you know, rather than just going out haphazardly and saying, I'm going to blast this 30 minutes on the treadmill and do it time and time again and wonder why you're never getting any faster.

02:44:36.000 So people can get any answers to any questions about conditioning and what you learned from Finding Ultra?

02:44:41.000 Can they get that on Amazon and all the different places?

02:44:44.000 Yeah, it's everywhere.

02:44:44.000 It's on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, iTunes.

02:44:46.000 And if people want to reach you, it's Rich Roll.

02:44:49.000 R-I-C-H. Not Rick.

02:44:51.000 Not... 1.00

02:44:51.000 Fucking Rick Astley! 1.00

02:44:53.000 This is not a joke. 1.00

02:44:54.000 Rich Roll.

02:44:55.000 The real Rich Roll.

02:44:56.000 Just like the real Rich Ross, but a different guy.

02:44:59.000 And you can find Rich Roll on Twitter.

02:45:01.000 Just Rich Roll.

02:45:02.000 R-I-C-H-R-O-L-L. Is that the best way to get a hold of you? 1.00

02:45:05.000 The best way to find information about you?

02:45:06.000 I mean, I'm on Facebook, too.

02:45:07.000 My website's Rich Roll.

02:45:09.000 R-I-C-H-R-O-L-L. Well, listen, man. 0.99

02:45:12.000 Your story's an awesome story.

02:45:13.000 I love a comeback.

02:45:15.000 I love a guy who figures something out in his life and makes a change and then spreads that information.

02:45:20.000 And...

02:45:20.000 You're an inspirational dude, and having you on the podcast is really cool, and I would love to do this again if you want to come in again.

02:45:25.000 Feelings mutual, man.

02:45:26.000 Yeah, we could keep talking about this forever.

02:45:28.000 Yeah, I love it.

02:45:29.000 Yeah, but I had to stop myself from the endurance questions.

02:45:32.000 I would have bored the fuck out of everybody.

02:45:33.000 I know. 0.81

02:45:33.000 I was like, this is getting a little technical, man. 0.81

02:45:35.000 I don't know if people really are going to be that interesting.

02:45:37.000 Some people will, hopefully.

02:45:40.000 Thank you very much, man.

02:45:42.000 Really appreciate it.

02:45:42.000 So Rich Roll, follow him on Twitter.

02:45:44.000 Go to deskquad.tv, you dirty bitches, and pick yourself up some funky-ass cat t-shirts. 1.00

02:45:50.000 And they come with a free sticker, too, so you put it on your call. 0.99

02:45:54.000 They don't come with a free sticker.

02:45:55.000 I thought you said you were sending those stickers.

02:45:57.000 No, you can order stickers coming soon. 0.99

02:46:00.000 Pay for that sticker, hooker. 1.00

02:46:02.000 I mean, Go get yourself a sticker. 0.99

02:46:04.000 But those, you can identify fellow deskwaters in parking lots and sheds.

02:46:08.000 Good.

02:46:08.000 So you know what's up.

02:46:09.000 A guy just tweeted me so that his neighbor, who he never met before, knocked on his door when he heard he was listening to this podcast.

02:46:16.000 He heard my voice booming out of his living room.

02:46:18.000 And so the neighbor knocked on. 0.97

02:46:19.000 He's like, man, I fucking love that podcast. 0.81

02:46:21.000 Thanks, everybody.

02:46:23.000 I can't thank you guys enough for being the coolest crowds ever.

02:46:26.000 Sacramento was fucking completely off the chain.

02:46:30.000 I never imagined that we would have these kind of crowds on a regular basis. 0.97

02:46:35.000 It's really amazing, and we appreciate the fuck out of it.

02:46:39.000 What I said earlier is not lip service.

02:46:41.000 I really do feel a massive obligation to you guys.

02:46:44.000 I know that this has become a part of your life, and it's a part of our life, too.

02:46:48.000 Everything we're doing, Brian and I, is moving towards making sure we just keep doing more of this, keep digging deeper, keep having more people, more cool people like Rich Roll come on the show. 0.98

02:46:59.000 And tomorrow, Mac Danzig will be on, as I said, as will the director of Cocaine Cowboys, Billy Corbin, who's also a cool motherfucker.

02:47:08.000 Thanks to Alienware MMA for sending us some cool-ass laptops that Brian runs all the YouTube videos on.

02:47:17.000 If you go to follow them on Twitter, AlienMMA on Twitter, and thanks to Onnit.com.

02:47:22.000 Use the code name ROGAN, O-N-N-I-T. The code name ROGAN will save you 10% off any and all supplements.

02:47:28.000 All right, you fucking freaks. 0.97

02:47:29.000 Tomorrow we have a double podcast day. 0.99

02:47:31.000 So first we'll be Mac Danzig, and then it will be Joey Diaz and Billy Corbin.

02:47:36.000 And then we have a spectacular show tomorrow night at the Ice House Comedy Club.

02:47:41.000 It is Dom Irera.

02:47:42.000 It is Duncan Trussell, Doug Benson, Brian Redband, Joey Diaz.

02:47:47.000 The list goes on.

02:47:48.000 And whoever winds up coming by, they can get on stage too.

02:47:52.000 All right.

02:47:53.000 We'll see you tomorrow, folks.

02:47:53.000 We love you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 18, 2012

Joe Rogan Experience #266 - Rich Roll

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