The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #267 - Mac Danzig

00:00:03.000 We snuck up on you dirty bitches. 1.00

00:00:06.000 It's only 1215 here on the East Coast or the West Coast. 0.99

00:00:10.000 If we were on the East Coast, this would be like the normal starting time. 0.99

00:00:14.000 This is like the East Coast version of the fucking podcast. 0.99

00:00:17.000 People say, hey Joe Rogan, how the fuck do you guys, do you make any money off of this podcast? 0.99

00:00:22.000 How's that work? 1.00

00:00:23.000 I'll tell you one way it works, bitches. 1.00

00:00:25.000 It's a little thing called deskwad.tv. 1.00

00:00:28.000 Check that shit out. 0.99

00:00:28.000 See that t-shirt? 0.99

00:00:29.000 You can go buy that.

00:00:30.000 You can buy that high-quality, Brian Red Band-designed work of art.

00:00:35.000 And you can have it, and you can walk around with it.

00:00:37.000 Every show we go to, mad Desquad fans in the audience, this is where the shirts come from.

00:00:41.000 Go to Desquad.tv.

00:00:43.000 There's two versions of them.

00:00:44.000 This is the newest version.

00:00:46.000 And with the sexiest cat, in my opinion.

00:00:48.000 I like this cat better. 0.64

00:00:49.000 This is the dopest cat.

00:00:51.000 And there will be more.

00:00:52.000 And there's t-shirts and there's bumper stickers.

00:00:55.000 And what is the new website?

00:00:57.000 ShopSquad.tv.

00:00:59.000 ShopSquad.tv.

00:01:00.000 But DeathSquad.tv will take you there.

00:01:02.000 So, if you can't remember that, because I can't remember that, he's already told me twice, go to Desquad.

00:01:07.000 Desquad.tv.

00:01:08.000 You got it? 1.00

00:01:09.000 Alright, you fucking freaks. 0.99

00:01:11.000 Onnit.com is our other sponsor that's... 0.99

00:01:13.000 And periodically, ladies and gentlemen, let me just say one thing.

00:01:16.000 We've had a few other sponsors, some corporate sponsors, people like Audible.com, people like Ting.com.

00:01:22.000 Alienware.

00:01:23.000 The reason why, if we're in business with any company, it's because they got something good for you.

00:01:30.000 We have turned down stuff that's like high-profile sponsors that I don't agree with, I don't like what they're selling, I don't want to say what they want me to say.

00:01:41.000 I'm not interested in that.

00:01:42.000 What I'm interested in, I think there's plenty of people out there like Ting, the mobile company that has...

00:01:48.000 Dang! 0.99

00:01:49.000 No cell phone contracts and excellent phones.

00:01:53.000 I really love this Samsung Galaxy S3. It's fucking gorgeous. 0.98

00:01:57.000 I'm really going to have a hard time going back to the iPhone. 0.99

00:01:59.000 It's such a little puny screen.

00:02:01.000 I think I'm going the other way.

00:02:02.000 Since Apple screwed me with my pre-order, I'm just going to go not get this new iPhone and just go Galaxy S3. You should.

00:02:08.000 We're going to hook it up with Ting. 0.97

00:02:10.000 Ting, they weren't even supposed to be sponsored on this podcast today, but we're bringing them up just because that's our entire approach to advertising on this podcast.

00:02:22.000 Anything that we're involved with.

00:02:24.000 It's something that we believe is a great product.

00:02:27.000 With Alienware, the thing that I really love about Alienware is how much love they give to up-and-coming MMA fighters.

00:02:33.000 Everywhere I look, on Strikeforce, on Bellator, on UFC, there's constantly dudes with that Alienware logo.

00:02:40.000 That means to me that a company is putting their money behind sport And when a company is like Alienware that's owned by Dell, this huge computer company, that to me is a bold chance by them and I think bold moves like that should be supported.

00:02:56.000 And that's why we use Alienware computers.

00:03:00.000 Onnit.com is another sponsor.

00:03:02.000 It's the only one that I have a financial investment in.

00:03:05.000 Again, the only reason why I would do that is because I wholeheartedly believe in the way the company operates and in what they're selling.

00:03:14.000 The big one, the big product that I'm always pushing is AlphaBrain.

00:03:19.000 And you don't need AlphaBrain.

00:03:21.000 I've said this a million times before, but I always have to say in case this is the first time someone has ever tuned into this podcast.

00:03:27.000 If you eat healthy and you're in fit, you probably don't need it.

00:03:31.000 It's not a necessary part of your life.

00:03:34.000 But...

00:03:35.000 They are nutrients that have been shown to enhance your brain's ability to produce neurotransmitters, to fire thoughts off.

00:03:42.000 And from a person that knows the difference between the way I feel when I'm eating healthy, when I'm eating nutritious food, and when I'm supplementing my diet, and when I'm not doing that, there's a difference.

00:03:52.000 I feel a tangible difference.

00:03:54.000 I feel a difference in my performances, the way I'm able to form sentences.

00:03:59.000 The way I can come up with ideas quicker.

00:04:02.000 I mean, I really believe in that. 1.00

00:04:04.000 Shit's all fired together in there. 0.99

00:04:06.000 Does that make sense? 0.99

00:04:07.000 Does that make sense?

00:04:08.000 Absolutely.

00:04:09.000 Listen, ladies and gentlemen, I'm not going to lie to you.

00:04:11.000 I might have smoked a little pot before this.

00:04:13.000 Just a wee bit, and I might be a little long-winded. 0.99

00:04:18.000 What I'm saying is, Anand.com's got some cool shit that I support 100%. 0.86

00:04:22.000 The first order of 30 pills, there's a 100% money-back guarantee. 0.95

00:04:28.000 Um...

00:04:29.000 You alright, buddy?

00:04:31.000 You're not supposed to snort it.

00:04:32.000 No, he didn't.

00:04:33.000 His tube was way too big.

00:04:34.000 It couldn't be real.

00:04:35.000 Look how long his tube was.

00:04:37.000 If he did do it.

00:04:38.000 I don't think you should snort it.

00:04:39.000 I don't think it's supposed to go through your digestive tract.

00:04:41.000 It's food.

00:04:43.000 We also have kettlebells and battle ropes.

00:04:46.000 We're starting to sell fitness equipment now.

00:04:47.000 And again, it's all stuff that I use.

00:04:49.000 Stuff that I think is...

00:04:51.000 Some of the best strength and fitness conditioning equipment that you can get is kettlebells. 0.98

00:04:55.000 It's a fucking fantastic workout.

00:04:57.000 Use the code name ROGAN and you will save yourself 10% off all supplements. 0.98

00:05:01.000 And again, with the supplements, you have a 30 pill.

00:05:04.000 The first 30 pills, a 100% money-back guarantee.

00:05:07.000 You don't even have to return the product. 0.99

00:05:09.000 Just say it sucks. 0.88

00:05:10.000 No one's trying to rip you off. 1.00

00:05:11.000 Everyone's trying to sell you the best shit possible and stuff that I would use. 0.98

00:05:15.000 Alright, that's it. 0.99

00:05:15.000 Go to Onnit.com. 0.99

00:05:17.000 O-N-N-I-T. And Brian, anything more to say?

00:05:19.000 Oh yeah, Death Squad Show tonight.

00:05:21.000 We're at the Ice House tonight.

00:05:23.000 It is...

00:05:24.000 Oh, Tom Segura's out.

00:05:26.000 Ari Shafir's in.

00:05:27.000 That's how we roll.

00:05:28.000 We got Ari Shafir.

00:05:30.000 We got Joey Diaz. 0.99

00:05:31.000 We got Dom motherfucking Irera. 1.00

00:05:33.000 We got Greg Fitzsimmons in the house, bitches. 1.00

00:05:37.000 And Doug Benson. 0.99

00:05:39.000 And Brian Redband.

00:05:41.000 Did I say you?

00:05:41.000 No.

00:05:41.000 You're in there too, bitch.

00:05:43.000 And me. 1.00

00:05:44.000 Yeah, I'll be there too.

00:05:45.000 It's going to be awesome.

00:05:46.000 IcehouseComedy.com.

00:05:47.000 Yeah, we do these on a regular basis here.

00:05:50.000 There's another one here.

00:05:51.000 I'm in Toronto on Friday night at Massey Hall. 1.00

00:05:53.000 That shit sold out, son. 0.99

00:05:54.000 But if you want tickets to a comedy show in your L.A., you can come to the Icehouse. 1.00

00:05:58.000 Yeah, Death Squad show Friday. 1.00

00:06:00.000 All right, bitches. 1.00

00:06:01.000 Mack Denzig's here. 0.99

00:06:02.000 We're going to get it done properly.

00:06:04.000 We forgot to do the piano.

00:06:07.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:06:09.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

00:06:13.000 This is way better.

00:06:16.000 Mac Danzig is, uh, I think you might be podcast haunted, my friend.

00:06:20.000 No, no, no, no.

00:06:21.000 We're gonna fix it this time.

00:06:23.000 Yeah, we're going to fix it.

00:06:24.000 We're going to get this done.

00:06:26.000 See, you demand the proper setup.

00:06:27.000 That's what it is. 1.00

00:06:28.000 The fucking setup of my house is ridiculous. 1.00

00:06:30.000 Little goddamn stupid webcams. 1.00

00:06:32.000 That's why I have a studio that's in the process of being put together. 1.00

00:06:38.000 That shit's going to take months, yo. 0.96

00:06:40.000 Somebody said I should make a little video of where, you know, show like what it looks like in the beginning. 0.99

00:06:44.000 Yeah, I might do that.

00:06:45.000 Time lapse it.

00:06:45.000 Just set one in the corner and...

00:06:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:06:48.000 That'd be cool.

00:06:49.000 Yeah, I've never done anything like this before, so it's kind of exciting to build something up.

00:06:53.000 But Mac Danzig, my humblest apologies on my retardation and my technical abilities.

00:06:57.000 Mine and Ari Shafir's.

00:06:59.000 Ari did a podcast with him.

00:07:01.000 We had a good conversation.

00:07:03.000 You know, it wasn't on video or whatever.

00:07:05.000 He does podcast audio.

00:07:06.000 But yeah, we had a really good conversation.

00:07:09.000 And it was afterwards, I was like, oh, man.

00:07:12.000 I think he was more disappointed about it even than I was.

00:07:14.000 I mean, he felt pretty bad about it.

00:07:17.000 There's nothing you can do.

00:07:18.000 And I was like, you really?

00:07:19.000 You emptied the trash, too?

00:07:20.000 You didn't just delete it, but you emptied it?

00:07:22.000 And he's like, yeah, well, I had to make more room.

00:07:26.000 Oh, God. 1.00

00:07:27.000 Get a new laptop, bitch. 1.00

00:07:29.000 We had a great little conversation. 0.99

00:07:32.000 Yeah, well, there's 40 minutes that we may or may not put back on, but what happened with us was the second file was corrupt.

00:07:39.000 It wasn't working.

00:07:40.000 When we started over.

00:07:41.000 Yeah, it wasn't working on Ustream.

00:07:42.000 And the thing, the MP3 recorder went off, and then I had to turn it back on again.

00:07:47.000 Remember, Brian?

00:07:48.000 I had to take the battery off.

00:07:49.000 And the file afterwards was corrupt.

00:07:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:07:51.000 Wacky ass piece of shit. 1.00

00:07:52.000 And Ustream didn't work. 1.00

00:07:53.000 That's crazy that they both. 1.00

00:07:54.000 Haunted as fuck. 1.00

00:07:56.000 Yeah, that was a big goddamn disaster, but we're going to correct that shit. 0.99

00:07:59.000 So you think you're going to add the 40 minutes to this one when you put it on iTunes? 0.99

00:08:02.000 We could do that.

00:08:03.000 We could make this the...

00:08:04.000 Well, I just hope we don't get redundant. 0.83

00:08:06.000 The problem is when you have a conversation, there's a lot of shit that we said that I want to make sure we cover. 0.96

00:08:12.000 Right, right, right. 1.00

00:08:13.000 So fuck that other podcast. 1.00

00:08:15.000 Okay, cool. 1.00

00:08:16.000 Ghost that bitch. 1.00

00:08:17.000 Yeah, all right. 1.00

00:08:17.000 That's what's up. 1.00

00:08:18.000 Unless we're going to send someone back to the archives to edit it.

00:08:21.000 I don't know, man.

00:08:22.000 A lot of internet drama, man.

00:08:24.000 Have you been paying attention to this crazy video that all these Muslims are responding to all over the world? 1.00

00:08:30.000 You told me about it last week.

00:08:32.000 The Christian fundamentalist video?

00:08:34.000 Have you been watching all the reaction to it across the world?

00:08:37.000 I haven't.

00:08:38.000 I haven't, no.

00:08:39.000 Well, France, in their infinite wisdom, someone has decided today to publish a cartoon with Mohammed in it. 0.93

00:08:46.000 They're just pushing it.

00:08:47.000 We're scared.

00:08:48.000 Yeah, we're going to be crazy.

00:08:50.000 How do they smoke cigarettes?

00:08:52.000 Is it like this?

00:08:53.000 We're going to be crazy. 0.96

00:08:55.000 Look, Mohammed make a fart noise with his face. 1.00

00:08:59.000 Yeah, there's something about the way they hold cigarettes that was really annoying, right?

00:09:03.000 How is it like this?

00:09:05.000 Is it this? 0.99

00:09:06.000 They call them fags over there. 0.99

00:09:08.000 There's something to it. 0.99

00:09:10.000 Is it this?

00:09:11.000 Is it this?

00:09:13.000 There's something.

00:09:13.000 There's something wrong.

00:09:15.000 It's like, hey, fuckface. 0.99

00:09:16.000 You know this is the way to do it. 0.99

00:09:18.000 This is the right way to do it.

00:09:19.000 You have full use of your hands. 1.00

00:09:21.000 What's all this crazy shit? 0.99

00:09:23.000 It's like the tea thing. 1.00

00:09:25.000 You know?

00:09:26.000 Smoking it like this.

00:09:29.000 Ow! 1.00

00:09:30.000 Ig, ig, ig, ig!

00:09:33.000 I just got another text from Dice Clay telling me how awesome his special came out. 0.95

00:09:36.000 He's so fucking psyched. 0.67

00:09:38.000 Dice Clay said he did his special, and he said it was like the old days. 0.99

00:09:41.000 He said dudes were standing up and screaming.

00:09:43.000 He said there was mad Death Squad fans in the crowd, too.

00:09:46.000 He had a bunch of guys coming up to him that said they heard him from the podcast.

00:09:51.000 He said it was one of his best specials ever.

00:09:56.000 That's the only time you're allowed to hold a cigarette like this.

00:09:58.000 That just reminds me of the people that got the tea or the coffee or whatever.

00:10:03.000 It actually reminds me of one of my favorite scenes, Mulholland Drive.

00:10:08.000 Are you familiar with it?

00:10:09.000 Yeah.

00:10:09.000 You're a Lynch fan, right?

00:10:10.000 Huge Lynch fan, yeah.

00:10:12.000 And he's holding the coffee.

00:10:14.000 He's like, napkin.

00:10:14.000 He requests a napkin first.

00:10:16.000 He sips it, sets it down, then spits it out into the napkin.

00:10:22.000 My God!

00:10:24.000 This is the finest espresso in the world!

00:10:26.000 Like...

00:10:28.000 That's what's up, man.

00:10:29.000 That's funny stuff, man. 1.00

00:10:31.000 David Lynch is a bastard. 1.00

00:10:33.000 He's so weird, isn't he? 1.00

00:10:34.000 Yeah.

00:10:34.000 His movies are so...

00:10:35.000 Sometimes you leave and you go, what did you just do to me, you fuck? 1.00

00:10:38.000 I know. 1.00

00:10:38.000 I trusted you. 1.00

00:10:39.000 It's like the ability to express emotions through film.

00:10:45.000 The ability to make the viewer...

00:10:48.000 To evoke emotion in the viewer...

00:10:50.000 It's strange emotions that are very peculiar.

00:10:53.000 You can put your finger on, at least I can't, as far as articulating it with language.

00:11:00.000 It's just one of those things you've got to watch.

00:11:02.000 You feel creepy, you feel a little bit...

00:11:05.000 It's cold and wet!

00:11:08.000 But there's humor involved in it too, like it's sort of a dark humor.

00:11:12.000 It's really cool.

00:11:14.000 He's able to play with ideas and notions and just purvey them with a film that's pretty cool. 0.97

00:11:20.000 I've really enjoyed some of his stuff, but I've walked out of a few of his things going, what the fuck was that? 0.94

00:11:25.000 Did you walk out of Inland Empire like that? 0.95

00:11:27.000 No, Inland Empire, that wasn't that bad.

00:11:30.000 I liked that one.

00:11:32.000 Yeah.

00:11:32.000 Who's the stars of England Empire?

00:11:35.000 That's going to be Laura Dern. 0.97

00:11:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:38.000 And, oh man, what's his name?

00:11:40.000 The same guy that played in Mulholland Drive. 0.99

00:11:44.000 See, I thought Mulholland Drive, I thought the end of it was just too fucked up. 0.97

00:11:48.000 I was just like, wait a minute, what? 0.98

00:11:50.000 This is it?

00:11:50.000 It just ends right here?

00:11:51.000 But that's the whole thing.

00:11:54.000 The way I look at his films, I don't think that they're always necessarily a plot or a story to figure out.

00:12:02.000 It's just...

00:12:03.000 An experience.

00:12:04.000 Yeah, an experience.

00:12:04.000 And you can take it for what it's worth.

00:12:06.000 And there's all sorts of theories as to what was really happening in the story and everything.

00:12:11.000 And there's one major one that everyone adheres to as far as Mulholland Drive goes.

00:12:16.000 But I think it's like, man, it's just the experience.

00:12:19.000 I don't even try to figure it out.

00:12:21.000 It's like a psychedelic experience.

00:12:22.000 It's like you can't force yourself back into...

00:12:26.000 The here and now, like regular reality and try to, you know, figure everything out while it's happening.

00:12:32.000 It's just...

00:12:32.000 You just have to...

00:12:33.000 Just gotta go with it.

00:12:34.000 Yeah.

00:12:35.000 Submit yourself to it.

00:12:36.000 Give into the lynch.

00:12:37.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:12:39.000 Yeah, but I remember Blue Velvet.

00:12:41.000 Yeah.

00:12:42.000 That...

00:12:42.000 Was it Dennis Hopper?

00:12:44.000 We had the mask.

00:12:45.000 He kept huffing.

00:12:47.000 And he was just so intense.

00:12:50.000 Only he could pull that off.

00:12:51.000 Oh, God!

00:12:52.000 It was so intense.

00:12:53.000 It was so like, oh, my God.

00:12:55.000 That guy...

00:12:55.000 Dennis Hopper, for sure, has seen some real-life insanity.

00:13:00.000 There's no way he could be that... 0.99

00:13:02.000 intense about some shit unless he's i know he's seen something man yeah you ain't pulling that out of your ass that shit was too real that blue velvet huffing character yeah man that's that was that was one of the greatest scenes ever man yeah lynch had just done such such bizarre stuff but that's how it would make you feel like almost creepy yeah Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:13:24.000 If you watch, I have a DVD that has some of, I think it's called The Lost Films of David Lynch, and it has some of the things that he was doing when he was in college, when he was coming up, like his first, like some animation stuff, and some of it's pretty disturbing, and then some of it is like, wow, like this is... 0.99

00:13:43.000 You know, like, borderline genius stuff, at least, you know, from a creative standpoint.

00:13:47.000 It's pretty cool. 1.00

00:13:47.000 Oliver Stone's lost his fucking mind. 1.00

00:13:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:13:50.000 This movie tried to put out where these two dudes are living with this one chick and they're both banging her and there's no problems. 1.00

00:13:56.000 Oliver, fuck you. 1.00

00:13:57.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

00:13:58.000 Fuck you, silly. 1.00

00:14:00.000 That movie's more ridiculous than The Avengers. 1.00

00:14:03.000 Yeah, you know, I'm cool with Oliver Stone. 1.00

00:14:06.000 I don't think he sucks.

00:14:07.000 You can't say anything like that, but I don't know. 0.99

00:14:11.000 Platoon?

00:14:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:14:13.000 He's fucking brilliant. 0.99

00:14:14.000 Oliver Stone. 0.99

00:14:14.000 Wall Street? 0.99

00:14:15.000 Oliver Stone's brilliant.

00:14:16.000 I'm not going to see your drug war movie about the noble drug dealers who are both in love with the girl. 1.00

00:14:21.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:14:22.000 That's just so ridden with cliches. 1.00

00:14:24.000 It's like, how much coke were you on when you came up with that idea?

00:14:27.000 Yeah.

00:14:28.000 I often think back and almost wish that Tarantino would have followed through with his script and done Natural Born Killers himself because I really would have loved to see what his take on it was.

00:14:39.000 I loved Dollar of Stone's take on it.

00:14:41.000 I did too.

00:14:43.000 But yeah, there's been two movies like that where Tarantino said that he didn't really enjoy the finished product.

00:14:48.000 It wasn't really like what it was.

00:14:49.000 It was that and the Christian Slater movie.

00:14:53.000 True Romance.

00:14:54.000 True Romance, yeah.

00:14:55.000 Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, exactly. 0.97

00:14:57.000 Which was a fucking brilliant movie. 0.94

00:14:59.000 How you could complain about anything about True Romance. 1.00

00:15:02.000 God damn, that was a good movie. 0.99

00:15:04.000 When you have a baby, you know what I mean? 0.99

00:15:06.000 Like, if you were to write a stand-up routine and then have somebody else do it, even if they hit it out of the park, it'd be like, well...

00:15:12.000 That's not the way I want to be.

00:15:13.000 Dude, I would be the worst writer for somebody.

00:15:16.000 I'd be terrible about that. 0.99

00:15:18.000 But yeah, True Romance, the movie, the finished product was a fucking work of art. 0.95

00:15:23.000 That's one of the all-time best troubled romance, fight for each other to the death. 0.98

00:15:31.000 Absolutely.

00:15:31.000 That's a lot of positivity in that movie, man.

00:15:34.000 Perfection.

00:15:35.000 Perfection and the imperfections of life. 1.00

00:15:38.000 That's a badass fucking movie. 0.99

00:15:39.000 Patricia Arquette. 1.00

00:15:40.000 Christian Slater was a bad motherfucker in that movie. 0.99

00:15:44.000 What happened to that dude? 0.99

00:15:45.000 How does that happen where a dude does like a true romance?

00:15:48.000 You would figure he'd be in movies constantly.

00:15:50.000 If he can do that, what he did in that movie?

00:15:53.000 Did he do Cuffs before or after that?

00:15:56.000 Cuffs?

00:15:56.000 Yeah, remember that with a K? It was just like one of the...

00:16:00.000 A dog movie?

00:16:01.000 Was it a dog movie?

00:16:01.000 No, no, no, no.

00:16:02.000 It was just like a silly comedy where he was like a cop, like an undercover cop or something like that.

00:16:07.000 It was just one of those things that Like, actors, they gotta work and everything, and I understand that.

00:16:12.000 And so that was just one of the things where it's like, well, like, you're kind of starting to take a path in a, you know, kind of corny direction.

00:16:21.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:22.000 Like, I watch guys do that all the time who are great actors, and they were able to repair it by picking and choosing the projects that they want to work on, and then they redeem themselves every time.

00:16:31.000 But he...

00:16:33.000 I think that was when I was starting to kind of look at him funny.

00:16:37.000 Well, I looked at the whole world funny once Ice Cube started doing family comedies. 0.99

00:16:44.000 I was like, what the fuck is going on?

00:16:46.000 Have you ever seen that picture online? 0.98

00:16:49.000 The first picture, it's one of those, the internet pictures, where they took a photograph of him.

00:16:56.000 I think he has an AK-47.

00:16:59.000 He's sitting there with B-Real from Cypress Hill.

00:17:01.000 Bandana on, looking frowning on his foot.

00:17:04.000 Yeah, and it says, at first I was all like, dot, dot, dot.

00:17:07.000 And then at the bottom it shows him with a fishing pole on a vest.

00:17:11.000 With a big Rolex.

00:17:13.000 Yeah, he's got like a...

00:17:15.000 Out on a boat or something, he's got a life vest on, like a big life vest all the way up to his neck.

00:17:20.000 He's like smiling all goofy.

00:17:22.000 But then I was all like...

00:17:24.000 It's weird seeing him in those beer commercials. 0.99

00:17:28.000 I can't talk shit about people selling out. 0.98

00:17:30.000 I did Fear Factor. 0.99

00:17:31.000 And I did it twice.

00:17:32.000 I took some time off and went back and did it again. 0.99

00:17:35.000 So I can't talk shit about it. 0.97

00:17:37.000 If you gotta make your money, you gotta make your money. 0.97

00:17:38.000 But for us, it's very odd to see.

00:17:41.000 I mean, I'm not criticizing it.

00:17:46.000 Oh my god, that's so hilarious. 1.00

00:17:50.000 I love these fucking things. 1.00

00:17:53.000 Internet memes, man, make me laugh so hard. 1.00

00:17:56.000 I spent like four hours the other weekend on knowyourmeme.com.

00:18:01.000 Have you ever seen that website?

00:18:03.000 No.

00:18:03.000 I think that's what it's called, knowyourmeme.com, and it's like this site that documents Pretty thoroughly, all these different internet memes from Techno Viking to that Jessie Slaughter girl.

00:18:16.000 Do you remember her?

00:18:17.000 Jessie Slaughter.

00:18:18.000 It's sad in a way. 1.00

00:18:20.000 It's fucked up. 0.99

00:18:21.000 I mean, she's like some 11 or 13 year old girl who got all into gossip and some little scene or subculture of music. 0.99

00:18:29.000 Is she the Friday girl? 0.70

00:18:32.000 No, this is some girl where what happened was she became so popular in this little subculture and everybody just jumped on her and was ridiculing her and all this stuff because she was going around saying that she was sleeping with all these dumb emo artists and everything in some rock band. 0.90

00:18:49.000 And, you know, she's like a little kid. 0.73

00:18:50.000 And she's doing all these webcam things.

00:18:53.000 You know how it's popular now with YouTube where everybody just sits in front of their computer with their clothes hanging from the doorknob in the background.

00:19:02.000 They're like, you know, talking about whatever, giving a review on a movie or talking about whatever.

00:19:07.000 And she was doing all that stuff and getting really scandalous with it. 1.00

00:19:10.000 And so people were just tearing it apart.

00:19:12.000 And her dad got on a live webcam broadcast.

00:19:16.000 Was that the one, Brian, that you did?

00:19:17.000 Yeah, with Lil' Esther.

00:19:18.000 Brian did a parody of that.

00:19:21.000 Yeah, a lot of people did. 1.00

00:19:25.000 He's totally talking out of his ass. 0.99

00:19:27.000 He's like, I'm talking to the cyber police and I've back traced all of the emails and if you ever come near my daughter and talk about her... 1.00

00:19:37.000 He wants his big quote.

00:19:39.000 He goes, consequences will never be the same again.

00:19:42.000 Or something like that.

00:19:43.000 It was just...

00:19:44.000 It was sad.

00:19:46.000 I mean, people screw up their lives on the internet.

00:19:49.000 Oh yeah, here's a parody of it.

00:19:51.000 Yeah, that's Brian.

00:19:52.000 That's Brian.

00:19:53.000 Brian, we gotta see the real one first. 0.99

00:19:59.000 We gotta see the real one first so we can know how silly yours is. 0.99

00:20:01.000 Yeah, it's... 0.98

00:20:02.000 It's sad.

00:20:04.000 Well, you know what you're also seeing in that video?

00:20:06.000 You're seeing a guy who's not aware of the playing field.

00:20:09.000 Yeah, no, totally.

00:20:10.000 That's why it's so interesting.

00:20:11.000 Yeah, it's fascinating, because there's a guy who doesn't understand that you just put something out there in the internet, like, virally.

00:20:20.000 Like, you don't really know what that is, do you?

00:20:22.000 Like, that's going to hit millions of people.

00:20:25.000 Like, the idea never crossed his mind.

00:20:27.000 That he would be able to yell something into a video camera and then it would become like a meme and people would do parodies of it.

00:20:33.000 Yeah, he thought he was just talking to a select group of people who were like tormenting his kid or whatever.

00:20:39.000 Yeah.

00:20:39.000 Oh man.

00:20:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:20:42.000 That's still you, you fuck. 1.00

00:20:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:20:44.000 Trying to trick me.

00:20:48.000 Yeah, it's weird to see viral videos.

00:20:51.000 Everybody knows about the Goatsy guy. 1.00

00:20:53.000 The guy who pulled his asshole apart. 1.00

00:20:56.000 And it's particularly disturbing because in the photo he's wearing a wedding ring. 1.00

00:20:59.000 He's like tugging his asshole open. 0.99

00:21:02.000 Can you imagine if we know this guy, the original guy? 1.00

00:21:05.000 Can you imagine if it's just somebody that we know and he's very ashamed of that photo?

00:21:09.000 And he's just like a normal guy.

00:21:10.000 He's like, look, I was just really drunk.

00:21:12.000 Yeah, he could be.

00:21:14.000 But the thing is, the way he's clawing at it.

00:21:16.000 It's like, this guy's done that before. 1.00

00:21:18.000 I mean, he's just clawing open his asshole. 1.00

00:21:21.000 The way he's doing it just doesn't seem... 1.00

00:21:23.000 You know what, for a second there, when you reach... 1.00

00:21:25.000 I said clawing open his asshole and you reach for the board. 1.00

00:21:27.000 I was like, oh, I swore. 1.00

00:21:29.000 You know why?

00:21:29.000 Because I had to do radio this morning.

00:21:31.000 I'm about to close my eyes if you put that shit up. 1.00

00:21:33.000 No, you can't put that up. 1.00

00:21:34.000 You can't see that.

00:21:35.000 The people at home, they don't deserve go see.

00:21:38.000 Oh, man.

00:21:39.000 But I had to do regular radio today. 0.98

00:21:42.000 Oh, that sucks. 0.82

00:21:43.000 It doesn't suck.

00:21:43.000 I mean, they were real nice.

00:21:44.000 But I forgot, like, how rarely I do that now.

00:21:47.000 So when I do it, I always have to go, don't swear, don't swear.

00:21:50.000 Like, I'm not a professional anymore.

00:21:52.000 Like, at any second, something comes out of my mouth.

00:21:55.000 You're a professional. 0.97

00:21:55.000 You're just not censoring yourself with these ridiculous censorship ideas that... 0.97

00:22:01.000 To me, it was strange being aware of it and thinking about it just for a second and thinking this is like the reality of most people's lives that are on radio.

00:22:10.000 Everybody's under the gun. 1.00

00:22:11.000 You've got to be real careful what the fuck you say. 0.99

00:22:14.000 I haven't done radio in a while. 0.99

00:22:16.000 When I had my little 15 minutes of fame right after the Ultimate Fighter show, I was doing a whole lot of radio shows.

00:22:22.000 For those of you who don't know, Mack Danzig won the Ultimate Fighter season, what season was it?

00:22:26.000 Six.

00:22:27.000 It was about five years ago?

00:22:29.000 It completed in, what was that, 2008 I think?

00:22:34.000 Four years ago?

00:22:35.000 Yeah, yeah, 2006. 2007...

00:22:38.000 Yeah, I think it was 2008. Yeah, it was right when it completed.

00:22:45.000 2007, 2008. You're an alumni.

00:22:47.000 That's a very prestigious group of humans.

00:22:49.000 Guys who've won the Ultimate Fighter?

00:22:51.000 Well, yeah, I guess so.

00:22:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:22:54.000 It was definitely an experience.

00:22:56.000 It's a huge accomplishment.

00:22:58.000 It's not just like winning a fight.

00:23:00.000 Just getting through the experience.

00:23:02.000 I've watched the tapes.

00:23:04.000 I've talked to dudes about what it's like. 0.99

00:23:06.000 It's fucking hellacious. 0.99

00:23:08.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.98

00:23:08.000 I mean, I knew what I was getting into when I did it. 0.98

00:23:11.000 So my whole idea heading into that show was just...

00:23:16.000 To win.

00:23:17.000 There's this guy, I don't know if you know who he is.

00:23:20.000 He doesn't really do jiu-jitsu anymore, but he was one of the guys that I first started training with in Los Angeles when I first moved out here.

00:23:27.000 His name is Fernando Vasconcelos.

00:23:30.000 He won the Worlds in jiu-jitsu as a black belt when he was 16. He's one of the...

00:23:36.000 In the gym, one of the best prodigies in the world.

00:23:40.000 I've never rolled with anybody anywhere near as good as him.

00:23:44.000 Really?

00:23:44.000 Yeah, honestly.

00:23:45.000 I mean, maybe Robert Drysdale has that same type of ability, but Robert's also way bigger than me.

00:23:53.000 Fernando was just amazing.

00:23:55.000 And I remember one of the things, you know, he had already kind of given up on fighting and everything.

00:24:00.000 And he told me before I left, he's like, just remember, just do this to win.

00:24:05.000 You're there to win.

00:24:06.000 You're not there to goof off.

00:24:07.000 And like, you know, you can do whatever you want, but the goal is to win the show so that you can...

00:24:14.000 Have a career and, you know, better yourself and keep moving forward.

00:24:17.000 And I was on there.

00:24:18.000 As soon as I got in, there was all these guys, half of them were like deer caught in the headlights.

00:24:24.000 They were just like, oh man, like I'm actually on the show and what's going to happen?

00:24:27.000 Are they going to surprise us or, you know, what's going to go on?

00:24:30.000 And then the other half of the guys were just there to be goofballs, hoping that they get enough exposure to put some pictures up on their MySpace page or get laid or whatever they wanted to do.

00:24:42.000 And that's why everybody's like, oh, you're so grumpy and you're so angry and everything.

00:24:47.000 It's like, well, dude, I'm trying to win this.

00:24:50.000 This is what I'm doing.

00:24:52.000 I'm very serious about this.

00:24:53.000 Do you find that that's a weird position where a lot of fighters find themselves where they have to also try to be a showman?

00:25:00.000 You see the encouragement that people get from trash talking because it sells pay-per-views.

00:25:06.000 Sure.

00:25:07.000 Yeah, I mean, my whole thing is, the whole reason why I'm doing this, and maybe I didn't know it when I first got into it, but now after looking back of years of a career, like over 10 years I've been doing this, And reflecting.

00:25:21.000 It's like, I picked this because, one, it's artistic.

00:25:25.000 Two, it's fighting, and I just like the fight.

00:25:28.000 And three, it's honesty.

00:25:31.000 It's about being authentic.

00:25:33.000 And that's from the beginning to the end for me.

00:25:36.000 The marketing of the fight, the preparation of the fight, and the actual act.

00:25:41.000 The art of doing it live in a spontaneous way.

00:25:46.000 I do it because it's about being honest with yourself.

00:25:50.000 Once you get in there, there's no script.

00:25:53.000 There's no faking it.

00:25:55.000 That's what's going to happen.

00:25:56.000 And I love that.

00:25:57.000 I love putting myself out there.

00:26:00.000 It's the ultimate sacrifice.

00:26:02.000 It's the ultimate commitment.

00:26:03.000 And so, when you start to, like, fake beefs with other fighters, you start to, like, you know, play up all this stuff, in my opinion, you're playing a game with your authenticity.

00:26:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:18.000 And that's a heavy load to bear.

00:26:20.000 Take someone like Chael Sonnen.

00:26:22.000 I like Chael a lot.

00:26:24.000 I like his shtick.

00:26:25.000 I like him as a person.

00:26:27.000 I like him as a fighter.

00:26:28.000 But that's a heavy load to bear.

00:26:30.000 To say all this stuff.

00:26:31.000 And he's great at it.

00:26:32.000 He's a great talker.

00:26:33.000 He's got amazing...

00:26:35.000 All sorts of funny things.

00:26:37.000 I laughed my ass off listening to him.

00:26:39.000 And he's really good at it.

00:26:41.000 He's the best at it.

00:26:42.000 But it's like...

00:26:43.000 Do you really want to do that when...

00:26:47.000 You have to step in there and be 100% real in that moment, and you have to back up all this stuff that you said.

00:26:55.000 If he can come to terms with it, then he can, and that's up to him.

00:27:00.000 But my whole thing was I want to...

00:27:03.000 To be the person that I am inside and outside of the ring.

00:27:08.000 When I was on the show, I was mad.

00:27:11.000 I was angry that there was all these guys who weren't serious. 0.96

00:27:14.000 They were screwing around. 0.95

00:27:15.000 They were drinking every night.

00:27:17.000 And then there were some guys that were serious, but they were too scared.

00:27:20.000 The whole situation just scared them.

00:27:22.000 They were just shutting down.

00:27:25.000 Especially guys on my team.

00:27:26.000 I watched their morale break down, especially with the way Matt Hughes was training these guys.

00:27:31.000 And they just broke. 0.93

00:27:34.000 And I was like, man, what's with these guys being nice to my face and then being all silly behind my back?

00:27:44.000 I would never choose to live with you, ever, in any other circumstance.

00:27:48.000 And now, not only do I have no contact to or from the outside world, but I'm stuck in a situation where I can't even take a walk in the neighborhood to get away from you guys. 0.97

00:27:59.000 And they're talking all kinds of shit on me and they don't like me and they're drawing little cartoons of me in this juvenile way. 0.96

00:28:05.000 I'm trying to win this thing. 0.99

00:28:07.000 I see them and I'm like, dude, don't talk to me like I'm your friend. 1.00

00:28:12.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:28:13.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:28:13.000 And people are like, oh man. 1.00

00:28:15.000 Well, Mac, he's so grumpy and he's mad.

00:28:18.000 Well, it's like, you would be too.

00:28:20.000 I mean, this is what I do for a living.

00:28:22.000 This is how I'm going to...

00:28:23.000 Well, you had already had a lot of experience for you coming to the show.

00:28:26.000 You'd already fought Sakurai in Japan.

00:28:28.000 I mean, you were pretty well known.

00:28:30.000 As far as guys getting on the show, you're about as well known an MMA fighter outside of the UFC as you can get.

00:28:38.000 Yeah, so what ended up happening was when I got on there, I took the confidence that I had from all that experience, and I just turned it into...

00:28:45.000 I've always been very respectful, but when there are people who disrespect the sport and disrespect this... 0.99

00:28:54.000 I mean, I understand it's a show, and they pick goofballs like Richie Hightower and stuff like that, but when you take a bunch of guys who are disrespecting this thing that I've dedicated my life to, I'm like, fuck you guys. 0.98

00:29:06.000 I'm winning this thing, and I took my experience, and I turned that into alpha male type of attitude. 1.00

00:29:14.000 I was like, fuck this. 0.99

00:29:16.000 Who's going to beat me? 1.00

00:29:17.000 I'm taking out all you guys.

00:29:19.000 That's the way I operated, and that's what won the show for me.

00:29:24.000 How much older were you than the average guy on the show?

00:29:27.000 I think about four years older.

00:29:30.000 That's big, isn't it?

00:29:31.000 That's big psychologically.

00:29:32.000 That is pretty big.

00:29:33.000 Yeah, I was like 27, I think, when I was on the show.

00:29:36.000 And most of the guys were in their early 20s.

00:29:39.000 God, there's such a big difference between me at 21 and me at 27. Yeah, me too.

00:29:44.000 I was retarded at 21. It's hard not to be. 0.96

00:29:51.000 How long ago was that?

00:29:52.000 Was that before you started breaking into acting and everything?

00:29:55.000 Yeah, I was 21 in 1988. Okay.

00:30:00.000 1988. That's when I first started doing comedy.

00:30:03.000 Right, right, right.

00:30:03.000 So that was like a big transitionary period for me.

00:30:06.000 No more competition than going into comedy. 1.00

00:30:08.000 But I just remember being so stupid. 1.00

00:30:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:12.000 Like in the ways of the world. 1.00

00:30:14.000 Sure, sure.

00:30:15.000 I was just... 1.00

00:30:15.000 I was a fucking dummy. 1.00

00:30:17.000 And I think today when I talk to 21-year-olds... 1.00

00:30:20.000 I'm so impressed with how much information kids have today and just how the world really works.

00:30:27.000 It's so different than when I was 21. When I was 21, if you had come up to me and asked me a political question, I would have been dumbfounded.

00:30:35.000 Sure.

00:30:35.000 I would not have had any answer.

00:30:37.000 I don't know how the process works.

00:30:40.000 I would have had no business voting.

00:30:43.000 Right, right, right.

00:30:44.000 But, you know, of course I could and did.

00:30:47.000 I think I voted for somebody who lost. 0.99

00:30:50.000 I don't even remember who the fuck it was. 0.99

00:30:51.000 Dukakis? 0.99

00:30:52.000 It probably was Dukakis.

00:30:54.000 It probably was.

00:30:55.000 It probably was way back then.

00:30:57.000 Dukakis. 0.91

00:30:57.000 Yeah. 0.91

00:30:58.000 I was probably...

00:30:59.000 I had a very strong Democratic girlfriend at the time, so I'm sure she probably talked me into voting Democratic.

00:31:06.000 Babbitt, maybe?

00:31:07.000 Yeah.

00:31:07.000 I don't remember what it was.

00:31:09.000 But I just remember being so dumb at 21. But 21-year-old kids today, they have way more information in their head. 0.97

00:31:15.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:16.000 They do, but I still think there's...

00:31:18.000 It's a maturing process.

00:31:20.000 You just have to go through.

00:31:21.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:22.000 I mean, I think the information is there, but I feel like...

00:31:26.000 I don't know.

00:31:26.000 I personally look at some of the young people that are like in their early 20s and I see a lot of the same like passive aggressive ways of handling social situations that were sort of the norm with kids when I was 16 or 17. I don't know.

00:31:45.000 I mean, I guess it goes both ways, but there's definitely a huge access, a much bigger access to information now, especially because of the internet and everything, and I think there's more open-minded people, and I hope that's the way that we're going.

00:32:02.000 Yeah, the idea that kids are more street smart or more worldly in the days gone past, the reason why that makes sense to me is that you don't just let your kids wander on the street anymore.

00:32:13.000 Right.

00:32:14.000 Like people used to just open the door when they were young, you know, when they had 10 year olds and the 10 year olds just go out in the street. 0.98

00:32:20.000 Nobody fucking does that today. 0.88

00:32:21.000 Everybody keeps an eye on their kids because, you know, you can't do that. 0.99

00:32:25.000 You can't do that anymore.

00:32:27.000 So, guys of a younger generation, just a little while ago, I mean, when I was a kid, that wasn't like a really highly discussed topic of child molesting.

00:32:36.000 Right.

00:32:36.000 Because it wasn't like you went out into the street and you thought there was child molesters everywhere.

00:32:40.000 Nobody even brought it up. 0.98

00:32:41.000 Nobody even fucking warned me about it. 0.98

00:32:42.000 My mom did put the fear in me. 0.99

00:32:44.000 She was kind of like on the cutting edge of all that.

00:32:49.000 Good for her.

00:32:52.000 Looking back at it, when I was a teenager, I kind of started harboring resentments because I was like, man, when I was five and six and seven years old, I'd have these nightmares about getting kidnapped and stuff.

00:33:04.000 But man, she wouldn't go into detail, but she'd be like, hey, look, if somebody approaches you, you know what I mean?

00:33:12.000 You don't know them.

00:33:14.000 You know what I mean?

00:33:15.000 You've got to be careful.

00:33:16.000 And she educated me on all that.

00:33:17.000 That actually saved me one time.

00:33:20.000 Man, it was the craziest experience, because when I was, I think I was 10, and I lived in this sort of old-fashioned suburban neighborhood, which is very near all this stuff that was once rural farmland and had now become industrial parks.

00:33:38.000 And I would cut through these industrial parks to get to my one friend's house.

00:33:43.000 and I went over to his house to try to find him and he wasn't there and I had a scooter or something like that.

00:33:51.000 I was trying to go back and I had to cut through these woods to get to this Holiday Inn parking lot and then cut through the parking lot to get back over to my neighborhood.

00:34:00.000 And these woods were just a really small stretch of woods, like very small, just a little wooded area.

00:34:05.000 It was probably like maybe 100 yards or something and no one's ever there.

00:34:10.000 You know, it's just a little path in between the parking lot and this cul-de-sac.

00:34:13.000 And I get up there and I start walking my scooter because I'm on a dirt path.

00:34:17.000 And all of a sudden there's this guy standing there.

00:34:20.000 And he's like, I remember him.

00:34:22.000 He had like a button-up t-shirt but no tie.

00:34:25.000 And he had like reddish hair, like a little light red beard.

00:34:30.000 And he was like, He's like, hey, hey, how you doing? 0.99

00:34:33.000 And I stopped at my tracks and I was just like, oh shit. 0.99

00:34:36.000 I was like, this is what she was talking about. 0.99

00:34:39.000 And I was like, hey.

00:34:41.000 And I went to go past him.

00:34:43.000 He's like, hey, come on up.

00:34:44.000 There's a lot of other kids playing up here.

00:34:46.000 Go ahead up.

00:34:48.000 And I was like...

00:34:49.000 Oh, wow.

00:34:51.000 And I hurried up and I was just like, I didn't even say anything.

00:34:54.000 I was just frozen.

00:34:56.000 And I turned around and I took off.

00:34:58.000 And then it was so crazy.

00:35:01.000 It was like there was kids that had been abducted.

00:35:06.000 That this guy was kidnapping kids, and I don't even know what he was doing or whatever, but he was there at that Holiday Inn, and they were following him throughout western Pennsylvania, and I think they actually found him, but that was the guy, and I was like, wow! 0.99

00:35:22.000 What the fuck? 0.99

00:35:22.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:35:23.000 If it wasn't for my... 0.99

00:35:26.000 So it was like all those nightmares and all that shit was probably worth it. 0.98

00:35:30.000 Because sometimes fear is an important thing to have, just instinctively. 0.98

00:35:37.000 Somebody can let you know that, hey, it's probably not going to happen.

00:35:40.000 But you've got to know the difference.

00:35:42.000 You can't be naive.

00:35:43.000 The moment you realize that you're on your own out there making decisions and that you can get roped into something like that.

00:35:50.000 Fear's not a factor for me, Joe.

00:35:52.000 It's not at all?

00:35:52.000 I was like six or seven, I think.

00:35:55.000 I think I was seven, and I was at the library, and some guy came over and showed me these...

00:36:00.000 I was looking at these monster books.

00:36:03.000 I was into Frankenstein, The Wolfman, and the guy goes, I have a lot of monster books in my car.

00:36:12.000 And I go, oh yeah, oh you do?

00:36:13.000 And he goes, yeah, do you want to come see?

00:36:15.000 And I go, okay.

00:36:16.000 So I was just, I was really young and I just left with him and I'm walking out the door with him and the librarian sees him and she yells, she knew my name, she goes, Joseph, you get away from that man, you get away from that man.

00:36:31.000 you know and the guy started running the guy started running oh and then I realized oh gosh so I started crying I was crying like crazy and then um she uh the librarian said that he just got out of jail that's a serious close encounter yeah yeah if that librarian didn't see what was going on But isn't that a horrifying job for the librarian, too?

00:36:52.000 I mean, she did it, and thanks to her, I might be dead.

00:36:56.000 I might not have ever survived.

00:36:58.000 I don't know what he went to jail for.

00:37:00.000 I don't know what he's willing to do to not go to jail again. 0.99

00:37:03.000 I don't fucking know. 0.98

00:37:05.000 But the librarian has to think that. 1.00

00:37:08.000 While all these kids are walking around her library reading books, it's just to think that someone can come in, snatch him, and fuck him. 1.00

00:37:15.000 Damn, he could have had a big cock there, Joe. 1.00

00:37:19.000 Brian, you need to shut the fuck up today. 1.00

00:37:22.000 You just gotta know when to not say something and when to just stop trying to be silly all the time. 1.00

00:37:28.000 Oh, man.

00:37:30.000 Well, the podcast is working, so...

00:37:32.000 Yeah, this one's live.

00:37:35.000 See, this is why I tried to avoid it.

00:37:41.000 The kids that get, like, if you let your kid out today, like, that's like a recipe for disaster.

00:37:47.000 Like, nobody wants to just let their kids roam the streets today.

00:37:50.000 I know, and it's a shame because it's like we need to be in touch with the earth.

00:37:54.000 We need to be in touch with, you know, like, just experiencing society and experiencing...

00:38:01.000 Other people, and man, it's like we've got to shelter our kids to a certain extent.

00:38:08.000 My daughter's only, she's going to be four, but she's the most important thing in the world to me.

00:38:16.000 It was McKenna that said this.

00:38:20.000 He was saying that he struggles with this as a parent.

00:38:23.000 He's like, what will it be? 0.98

00:38:27.000 Cynical intellect who's like sheltered or slack-jawed consumer half-wit of the horseshit handed on from down high.

00:38:37.000 In our case of what we're talking about now, it's like even worse possibly, you know, like something bad happening because your kid gets in a situation that they shouldn't be in.

00:38:48.000 Yeah, that's the big worry.

00:38:50.000 And I think that's what we're so aware of today that we weren't aware of.

00:38:54.000 But it is a legit concern.

00:38:57.000 When people say, oh, we have to live without fear. 0.99

00:38:59.000 Yeah, maybe, sorta, but look, there's some horrible shit that's happening out there. 0.99

00:39:04.000 For real. 0.99

00:39:05.000 Absolutely.

00:39:05.000 You can't just deny that.

00:39:07.000 So to roll the dice with your babies, it's not so easy to do when you're aware. 0.99

00:39:12.000 When you're aware of what the fuck is going on in the world. 0.99

00:39:14.000 We gotta figure out how to stop all that. 0.97

00:39:17.000 Make something an environment where you can let your kids go again.

00:39:20.000 But that's changed radically just in the last like 30, 40 years, you know, the way people raise their kids.

00:39:27.000 I mean, I want to homeschool my kid.

00:39:29.000 I just don't have the resources to do it.

00:39:31.000 And a lot of people, when they hear that, you know, they're stuck in the same modality and the same way of thinking as everyone else.

00:39:38.000 And they're like, well, what do you mean you're going to homeschool?

00:39:41.000 How is she going to be adjusted socially?

00:39:44.000 It's like, well, adjusted to what?

00:39:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:48.000 There's plenty of other experiences that you can have socially with people and get to know yourself and get to know how to interact with people without going to the institution of public schooling.

00:39:58.000 I mean, public school pretty much ruined me.

00:40:02.000 And when I try to tell people about that, they're like, I don't say ruin me, but it definitely sent me off onto a spiraling into a different path.

00:40:11.000 And it helped me become the person that I am and everything.

00:40:14.000 My rebellion against that, but it's like I didn't have to...

00:40:20.000 I don't want to put my kid through that.

00:40:23.000 And I don't think it was an isolated incident either with the public schools that I had to deal with.

00:40:27.000 What was wrong with your experience?

00:40:29.000 Well, I went...

00:40:31.000 I immediately...

00:40:32.000 You know, I was already in public school from, like, first to fourth grade, and it was, like, this strange...

00:40:39.000 School where you had half of the kids, or more than half, were these rich, yuppie kids.

00:40:46.000 And the teachers really favored them.

00:40:50.000 So I guess it was kind of like a social experiment in a way.

00:40:53.000 The teachers were very favorable to these kids.

00:40:56.000 And then there was all the kids from where I was from, which was kind of like the poor area. 0.99

00:41:01.000 And a lot of them were misbehaving, white trash type of kids. 1.00

00:41:04.000 But they were... 0.99

00:41:07.000 They were just kids, and I was sort of stuck in the middle. 0.99

00:41:11.000 I was from the poor area, and we just got treated like crap. 0.98

00:41:15.000 We got treated like second-class citizens. 0.99

00:41:16.000 It was almost like being a minority in this situation.

00:41:20.000 I thought that was really weird, and almost all the teachers there would just hand out worksheets, stay in your desk, that whole thing.

00:41:27.000 I came from Montessori in kindergarten, which is a completely different structure of learning, and we understood So mathematical stuff, like multiplication, just through physical work.

00:41:39.000 Like, they have these beads that you count on, almost like an abacus, instead of writing things down and doing, like, the worksheet type of work.

00:41:47.000 And so I understood all of that.

00:41:49.000 Like, even going into first grade, I just wasn't able to articulate it in the same way, like this memorization way, where it's like, two plus twos for...

00:41:57.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:57.000 That type of stuff.

00:41:58.000 It was all just...

00:42:01.000 You know, like hands-on.

00:42:02.000 And so I was just like, what is with...

00:42:05.000 You could choose what you wanted to do in Montessori.

00:42:07.000 In public schools, it was just like, you know, they try to keep everybody in line and control and understand why they have to do that.

00:42:14.000 But the classrooms were big.

00:42:16.000 There was no individualized attention.

00:42:18.000 And then when I was...

00:42:20.000 From 5th grade to 8th grade, we had moved to Virginia.

00:42:24.000 And then all of a sudden, I became the minority.

00:42:27.000 Which is fine, but it was very interesting to experience that.

00:42:30.000 You mean you moved to a black neighborhood?

00:42:31.000 Yeah, we moved to an all-black neighborhood. 0.99

00:42:35.000 Especially the school.

00:42:36.000 The neighborhood I lived in was 50-50, but the school that we went to was...

00:42:41.000 I think it was like 88% black or something like that.

00:42:44.000 And I just watched...

00:42:47.000 I mean, nobody cared about the students.

00:42:49.000 There were fights pretty much every day.

00:42:51.000 It was kind of...

00:42:52.000 It reminded me of the footage that I see of prisons.

00:42:55.000 The way fights would just break out and all of a sudden it was just this crazy thing.

00:42:59.000 And I was always this small little kid, you know what I mean?

00:43:02.000 And I was just like...

00:43:03.000 You know, I was like interested in these fights and everything, and I thought they were pretty cool, but at the same time, I was like, I couldn't get involved with that.

00:43:11.000 I mean, I was like four foot something, you know what I mean? 0.97

00:43:13.000 I was like a little kid, and a lot of these guys had already gotten their man size by the time they were in seventh or eighth grade, and I was just like, shit, and I was just watching it happen. 0.91

00:43:21.000 So I would resort to, you know, like my way of getting along in that situation... 0.98

00:43:26.000 Was resorting to class clownism or whatever.

00:43:29.000 Because I couldn't beat anybody up at that age.

00:43:32.000 You know what I mean?

00:43:33.000 Or stand my ground that way. 1.00

00:43:34.000 But I could at least win their favor by telling the teachers to fuck off or whatever. 1.00

00:43:41.000 And they thought that that was really funny. 1.00

00:43:43.000 And I was screwing myself up the whole time.

00:43:46.000 And then it was like, okay, well, these people...

00:43:48.000 The kids there really didn't like me. 0.67

00:43:51.000 Most of the black kids didn't like the white kids.

00:43:54.000 It was just the way it was. 0.94

00:43:55.000 And so...

00:43:55.000 At the very best case scenario, you'd be in a situation where you were ignored.

00:44:01.000 At the worst case scenario, you'd be fucked with all the time and picked on. 0.98

00:44:05.000 So the best thing to hope for is being ignored. 0.99

00:44:08.000 It's like, where do you look for your role models?

00:44:10.000 In that situation.

00:44:12.000 And as a kid, people would always tell me, like, well, you need role models and male role models.

00:44:17.000 And I was just like, what are you talking about?

00:44:18.000 Like, I don't need that stuff.

00:44:19.000 And looking back on it now, it's like they were right.

00:44:22.000 You know, you do look for role models and you look for people to set an example of what to do to become a man or to, you know, to just move forward and grow up and become mature.

00:44:32.000 And so I started looking at it.

00:44:34.000 I was like, well, what about these guys?

00:44:35.000 And there is always a little group of Heavy metal guys and Metallica shirts and long hair and everything.

00:44:41.000 And they were just smoking cigarettes all day long, skipping school.

00:44:45.000 And I felt, I just was like, okay.

00:44:47.000 And I started falling into that.

00:44:49.000 And then it was just like a downward spiral from there. 0.92

00:44:51.000 And then once I moved back up to Pennsylvania and there was all these rich white kids who thought they were gangsters, I was like, wow, you guys are really fake. 0.54

00:44:59.000 And they hated me because I was skateboarding and stuff.

00:45:01.000 And so I was like, you know what?

00:45:03.000 I was like, I'm done with this.

00:45:04.000 I don't want to be forced into this situation.

00:45:06.000 I want to hang out with the people that I understand.

00:45:09.000 And I hung out with older kids all the time who were already out of high school.

00:45:13.000 And I was done with it.

00:45:16.000 And I was pretty bright.

00:45:18.000 I abandoned the possibilities of moving forward with academics.

00:45:23.000 And I've struggled with that for years and years and thought to myself, well...

00:45:27.000 You know, what if I, you know, I was regretful.

00:45:30.000 I was like, what if I, you know, would have kept going to school and I could have gotten the degree in science that I wanted to or maybe become a biologist or like, you know, done something in one of these fields that I'm really interested in.

00:45:43.000 But as I've gotten older, that regret has started to fade because I'm like, you know what?

00:45:48.000 I think I did pretty damn good for myself.

00:45:51.000 I think I did one of the things that really spoke to me, which is fighting.

00:45:57.000 You can't have regret for taking a pursuit and enjoying the path.

00:46:01.000 There is no regret in that.

00:46:03.000 There's a choice and then there's life.

00:46:10.000 or another way.

00:46:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:11.000 It's hypothetical.

00:46:12.000 But the beautiful thing about education is you have access to information that no man before you had ever had in any university.

00:46:18.000 Absolutely.

00:46:18.000 Out of your computer.

00:46:19.000 Yep.

00:46:20.000 Out of your iPad or your Kindle. 0.99

00:46:22.000 You can just fucking read book after book after book after book. 0.98

00:46:26.000 And if you really pay attention to what you're reading, you can get a fucking fantastic education without actually having to go somewhere and have somebody write it on paper. 0.99

00:46:33.000 Yeah, you're absolutely right. 0.86

00:46:36.000 And I agree with that completely.

00:46:38.000 I was just, for a while, somewhat regretful because of the hypothetical idea of, well, if I did that, that could have been even better.

00:46:48.000 I might have been really enjoying my life.

00:46:49.000 'cause I would like to travel and be one of those people who just lives in the rainforest for weeks on end, gets stung up by mosquitoes and just documents insects and knows every single tree frog and finds new species.

00:47:07.000 That is really interesting to me.

00:47:08.000 That's like-- - That could have been you in another life. - Sure, sure.

00:47:11.000 And so, when things are bad, that's when you always start to look into your regrets And I had many bad times throughout my entire career.

00:47:23.000 And there was times when I was like, man, I shouldn't have taken this path.

00:47:28.000 It's just part of life.

00:47:29.000 You question what you're doing it for and everything.

00:47:32.000 And those were the times when I looked back and wished that I would have done those things.

00:47:36.000 But yeah, now, as I'm getting older, I really...

00:47:42.000 And I hate to put a negative spin on it, but I'm seeing how much of a sham the academic institutions are and colleges are.

00:47:52.000 One of my best friends has a master's degree at UCLA, and he's going to get his PhD, and it's just...

00:47:59.000 I mean, he's not doing it...

00:48:01.000 He's doing it because he can't do anything else.

00:48:03.000 He can't get a...

00:48:05.000 The PhD program's paying him, but he can't get a job doing anything else, and he just was watching...

00:48:12.000 People just get fed basically lies, even in what's supposedly a prestigious institution like the University of California in Los Angeles.

00:48:21.000 And it's like, man, I'd rather sort through the information and find it on my own, just like you said, rather than get some kind of a degree.

00:48:30.000 You know, really have nothing to show for it.

00:48:32.000 I'm not putting down people who get degrees or anything like that.

00:48:35.000 You know what I mean?

00:48:35.000 I think it's...

00:48:36.000 Yeah, nor am I. Yeah, yeah.

00:48:37.000 But like you said, the information's out there.

00:48:41.000 And if you really just want the knowledge just to have it, it's there for the taking if you have the time to do it.

00:48:48.000 Yeah, it's a matter of just immersing yourself in a topic.

00:48:51.000 The information is just readily available.

00:48:53.000 I think living with regret is a very dangerous thing.

00:48:56.000 Absolutely.

00:48:56.000 Put yourself in that mindset.

00:48:57.000 It's a very dangerous thing.

00:48:58.000 I think you've got to just appreciate the now.

00:49:02.000 I always tell people it sounds completely silly, but it's a great way to think about your life.

00:49:08.000 To live your life as if you were the hero in your own story.

00:49:11.000 And the movie starts today.

00:49:12.000 How do you go forth?

00:49:13.000 What do you do?

00:49:14.000 Do what the hero would do.

00:49:16.000 Do what the person that you would most admire would do.

00:49:18.000 And everyone can do that. 1.00

00:49:19.000 We can all be in a movie where the hero wakes up and realizes he's been a fucking dipshit half of his life. 1.00

00:49:25.000 It's time to pull it together. 1.00

00:49:26.000 For sure.

00:49:27.000 For sure.

00:49:27.000 You can do it.

00:49:28.000 Anybody can do that.

00:49:29.000 I think, yeah, I think for me it was being regretful or feeling regretful was a coping mechanism of just being down and having depression.

00:49:38.000 It's like, well, you either get through that or you don't.

00:49:42.000 This is the Vegas Times.

00:49:44.000 We talked about this on the podcast that will never be.

00:49:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:47.000 The one that will be whispered throughout the ages.

00:49:49.000 The last one.

00:49:50.000 The last podcast.

00:49:52.000 It's a conspiracy. 0.98

00:49:53.000 Yeah, you moved out to Vegas to try to further your MMA career, but like a lot of people, you found Vegas to be a very scary, hollow, freakish fucking town of depression. 0.99

00:50:08.000 Yeah, it is. 0.98

00:50:09.000 Not all of it.

00:50:10.000 Is it happy out there?

00:50:11.000 Like Penn Jillette's happy out there.

00:50:13.000 I would imagine it.

00:50:14.000 He really is. 0.65

00:50:15.000 Being horrible.

00:50:16.000 Listen, there's some guys there, especially guys that I train with that still live out there, And they seem content and happy.

00:50:24.000 And I don't mean to, like, put these people down.

00:50:28.000 I mean, these people, I respect them and I like them.

00:50:31.000 They're my friends.

00:50:32.000 But in a certain level, they're simple. 0.97

00:50:36.000 And I don't mean simple like retarded. 1.00

00:50:38.000 I'm talking like... 0.93

00:50:39.000 Like a Leonard Skinner song.

00:50:42.000 Yeah, well, yeah.

00:50:43.000 Maybe even not so quite.

00:50:44.000 That's almost like...

00:50:48.000 Simplicity manifesting like being noble, but I feel like these guys that are able to...

00:50:55.000 I almost envied them at the time.

00:50:57.000 They were able to honestly live their life.

00:51:00.000 Maybe they're suppressing their, their hate for their life, but I, it feels like they're content with their life.

00:51:06.000 They come home every evening and they play Xbox or PlayStation.

00:51:09.000 And then they go and they train, they train their ass off and then they play Xbox or PlayStation.

00:51:14.000 And on the weekends, they either go play paintball or they go to a strip club and they live their life that way.

00:51:19.000 And it's like, you know what, man?

00:51:21.000 Like, like that's cool.

00:51:22.000 It sounds pretty awesome.

00:51:23.000 If you're, if you're into that, but like, I don't know.

00:51:27.000 I mean, yeah.

00:51:29.000 I had just won the show.

00:51:31.000 I was presented with this contract, knowing how fickle the sport is and how easily you can get forgotten.

00:51:40.000 And how easy it is to get dropped from your contract.

00:51:43.000 I was like, well, listen.

00:51:44.000 There's nothing in LA. There's no great MMA teams in LA. There's no one here to train with.

00:51:50.000 I've got to take this for all it's worth.

00:51:53.000 I'd already been going to Vegas for a while.

00:51:56.000 Before every fight, I would always go out and stay with Gray.

00:51:59.000 I'd been doing that since the Zion's days, even before Couture ever opened up a gym.

00:52:06.000 And so I knew all those guys, Forrest and Pyle and Jay Haran and Martin Kamen and Gray.

00:52:11.000 And so I was like, I'm going to move out there with them and I'm going to train at Couture's.

00:52:15.000 And Tyson Griffin's there now and it's a really good situation.

00:52:19.000 I'm going to have the best training partners and I'm going to work my ass off every day and I'm going to give this the best shot that I have.

00:52:26.000 And what happened was I went out there and I realized that it was just so competitive.

00:52:31.000 There was no...

00:52:33.000 There was no nurturing the athlete.

00:52:35.000 There was nobody saying, hey, if you pay me, you know, percentage of your purse, I will be there for you every day.

00:52:42.000 I will monitor your training.

00:52:43.000 I will help you out.

00:52:44.000 We will study your opponent.

00:52:46.000 It was none of that.

00:52:47.000 It was like you go in, you spar.

00:52:50.000 You're in a war every day, whether it's a grappling day or the stand-up day.

00:52:56.000 It's a physical war and these guys are very competitive.

00:53:00.000 They've all got the alpha male type of personality and all the fun got taken out of it.

00:53:06.000 I mean, I would go there and those guys would go there too.

00:53:09.000 Everyone hated it.

00:53:10.000 I don't care what those guys say.

00:53:12.000 They're my friends.

00:53:13.000 Everyone hated it.

00:53:13.000 Gray was one of the top dogs in the room.

00:53:15.000 Nobody could touch him like, you know, once he got to a certain level.

00:53:18.000 For a while he was just a wrestler and you could catch him in submissions because he didn't know any better and his stand-up wasn't that great.

00:53:23.000 And then he turned the corner real quick.

00:53:25.000 And Gray got really good real fast.

00:53:27.000 It was right around the time that he beat Frankie Edgar the first time they fought.

00:53:31.000 And right around that time he had gotten really good.

00:53:34.000 No one could touch him and it seemed like he was just on top of the world and he was hating it the whole time too.

00:53:41.000 And he was just putting up with it.

00:53:42.000 And all these other guys, I know they feel the same way. 0.92

00:53:45.000 And we'd beat the crap out of each other.

00:53:47.000 We'd We have so much pressure on us.

00:53:50.000 Everyone has a ton of pressure for every fight.

00:53:52.000 That's just the way the sport is.

00:53:53.000 You go and fight.

00:53:54.000 Win or lose.

00:53:55.000 It's time to come back.

00:53:57.000 Do you want to come back to the gym and see the inside of that place again?

00:54:00.000 I know I didn't.

00:54:01.000 And then I would just immerse myself in going to remote places and doing photography.

00:54:07.000 Like really experiencing nature, which is what I loved and it spoke to my soul.

00:54:11.000 And so I really like doing that.

00:54:12.000 And when I would do that, instead of, like I was saying before in the podcast that got lost, instead of feeling refreshed, like, oh, I spent a week and a half, you know, in the desert and I experienced this timeless beauty and all this stuff, I was like...

00:54:29.000 Man, I want to just go back out there again and I don't want to go back to the gym.

00:54:34.000 It became a job.

00:54:35.000 It no longer became the creative, fun thing that I love doing.

00:54:40.000 It became an absolute 100% job.

00:54:46.000 So was it the overly competitive nature?

00:54:49.000 Was it the lack of structure?

00:54:51.000 Was it the fact that it wasn't being done correctly, that everybody was just trying to KO each other all the time?

00:54:57.000 It was all three of those things.

00:55:03.000 115 degree weather.

00:55:05.000 That was another thing.

00:55:07.000 I don't know.

00:55:09.000 There was no unity.

00:55:13.000 We were all friends and we were all cool with each other.

00:55:16.000 Some more than others.

00:55:18.000 But there was always this underlying thing of... 1.00

00:55:20.000 Especially if you're in the same weight class, well, I might have to fight you one day, so fuck you. 1.00

00:55:25.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:55:26.000 Even though we were cool and we were cordial with each other, and I'd watch other fighters come to the gym, like good fighters would come to that gym all the time because it was a hub, you know?

00:55:36.000 You're in Vegas maybe cornering another fighter.

00:55:39.000 And so you're going to hop into extreme couture because that's where everybody goes and that's where all the good guys are. 0.95

00:55:44.000 And you're going to train or guys would come out for a couple weeks and Jay Haran and Mike Pyle would just run a fucking clinic on those guys and be mean about it. 0.96

00:55:55.000 You know what I mean? 0.93

00:55:56.000 They weren't like really...

00:55:58.000 It wasn't like they were angry, but man, they would put it on these guys and it was this real alpha male competitive thing.

00:56:07.000 This is competition, and that's one way to look at it.

00:56:10.000 A lot of people might think, well, that's how you have to be.

00:56:13.000 You have to be like that, but I don't think so.

00:56:16.000 If you look at the way that both Gray and I are training now, and I respect the hell out of Gray because he's been training at a high level since he was 12 with wrestling, you know?

00:56:26.000 Even before that, he's always been wrestling since he was five or something, but he's been training at a high level, like hard, high-level workouts, and he knows the difference now.

00:56:35.000 He's training smart, and that's what I'm doing now.

00:56:37.000 I mean, I still spar and stuff, but I'm not in there getting hit. 0.96

00:56:42.000 Getting the shit beat out of me, beating the shit out of other people, just to try to put myself through the fire to simulate the idea of what a tough fight might be. 0.95

00:56:51.000 I've been in plenty of tough fights. 0.99

00:56:53.000 I know how to get through them.

00:56:54.000 I know how to deal with my mind.

00:56:56.000 I don't need to prove to anybody that I'm tough. 0.97

00:56:59.000 I don't need to prove to myself that I'm tough by getting the crap kicked out of me every day.

00:57:03.000 What I need to do is love the sport again, love the technique, love the art, And, man, just go out there and learn again.

00:57:15.000 Learn the techniques again.

00:57:17.000 And then apply them.

00:57:18.000 Apply the techniques that work.

00:57:20.000 That's why with my trainer, Niall Ciparelli, the guy's like a genius, man.

00:57:26.000 And I do not use that word, you know what I mean, with anybody.

00:57:30.000 The guy's a genius in that respect.

00:57:33.000 And he's giving me, he's like teaching me a whole new language as far as body mechanics and wrestling and grappling and just the fight game in general.

00:57:40.000 He understands it on a whole different level.

00:57:42.000 And he's giving me this whole new language to work with.

00:57:46.000 And I can, there are some words that I'm gonna use and put into my vocabulary and some that I'm not, but that's when your personality comes out.

00:57:54.000 I think we were talking about that before.

00:57:56.000 That's why it's so interesting to watch the art of mixed martial arts because you watch people's personalities manifest in the way they fight.

00:58:05.000 Yeah, which brings up what you talked about earlier with Chael, how difficult it is to put on a persona and then go into the octagon and compete and have it be real.

00:58:14.000 Yeah, because you see the stark difference with him.

00:58:16.000 You see his bravado and the shtick that he taps into, and he's amazing at it.

00:58:23.000 Amazing.

00:58:23.000 But when you see the contrast in between that and him when he walks into the ring, he is not looking at the crowd and doing his little shtick anymore.

00:58:35.000 He is just a man focused, and he has to...

00:58:38.000 Focus even more because he's so used to being in that persona.

00:58:43.000 You see such a difference.

00:58:45.000 Look at him after the Anderson Silva fight.

00:58:47.000 He was broken for a moment.

00:58:51.000 He's a tough guy.

00:58:52.000 He's an amazing competitor.

00:58:53.000 He'll get back at it.

00:58:54.000 Right away he tried to fight Jon Jones right after that.

00:58:57.000 He's hilarious. 1.00

00:58:58.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:59:00.000 He is. 1.00

00:59:00.000 He's one of the baddest. 1.00

00:59:02.000 The shit-talking is unparalleled. 1.00

00:59:05.000 Muhammad Ali would have fucking hated it if he had a bout rigged with Chael Sonnen. 1.00

00:59:11.000 I mean, look, if it was a boxing match, he would have balked Chael Sonnen's ears off. 1.00

00:59:15.000 But if it was a shit-talking match, I say that I would take Chael Sonnen over Muhammad Ali in a fucking heartbeat. 0.99

00:59:22.000 You know why? 1.00

00:59:23.000 Because Chael would sit in front of his computer like a fucking maniac for ten hours, coming up with the right shit to say, whereas Muhammad Ali would try to act on the fly. 0.99

00:59:32.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:59:33.000 Well, you're right, you're right, and I agree with you.

00:59:37.000 However, Ali, his art of trash-talking was not...

00:59:42.000 None of it was...

00:59:43.000 He didn't have the supply of information that the internet had at the time.

00:59:47.000 Oh, of course.

00:59:48.000 So it might have been different. 0.94

00:59:49.000 He's much more poetic with his trash-talking, too. 0.72

00:59:52.000 And original.

00:59:53.000 No, Chael is great with it, and he's very much so like a Joe Frazier type.

00:59:59.000 If you could, like...

01:00:00.000 Take a boxer and say, what type of fighter would Chael Sonnenbe if he was a boxer back in the day?

01:00:08.000 It would be a Joe Frazier, for sure.

01:00:09.000 A grinder. 0.98

01:00:10.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:00:12.000 Get inside.

01:00:13.000 Get inside.

01:00:15.000 Yeah, it's interesting when people...

01:00:17.000 I mean, that to me is one of the best examples of the fact that we're moving forward as a society, as chaotic and crazy as it might be.

01:00:26.000 Everything of today is better than what it was, you know, in the 1950s.

01:00:32.000 I mean, like, when everybody talks, Marciano was the best, retired, undefeated, Marciano would have done this, Marciano would have broken Ali...

01:00:40.000 Mike Tyson would have ran through Marciano like fire through bushes.

01:00:45.000 Are boxing historians not the worst?

01:00:48.000 I mean, I love boxing.

01:00:50.000 I love, love, love boxing.

01:00:52.000 And I love the history of it.

01:00:53.000 But in Sugar Ray, I'm going to use this example.

01:00:57.000 Sugar Ray Robinson was amazing.

01:00:59.000 And he was ferocious.

01:01:02.000 But to say that he could have hung in there with like Roy Jones' prime...

01:01:09.000 Boxing people all over the place that are listening to this are saying blasphemy, now all Roy Jones.

01:01:14.000 They love to discount the new guys, but these guys are amazing in comparison to just what they're physically capable of than the old guys.

01:01:26.000 Roy Jones is way too big.

01:01:28.000 That's a weird comparison.

01:01:29.000 Even though Sugar Ray did go up to fight light heavyweight when he collapsed.

01:01:37.000 He was a tricky one, man.

01:01:40.000 I don't know about that.

01:01:41.000 If you want a direct example, how about Roberto Duran?

01:01:43.000 I think Roberto Duran would have run through most of the old guys. 1.00

01:01:49.000 In his weight class.

01:01:50.000 You know what I mean?

01:01:50.000 Well, he was a real 135-er.

01:01:52.000 Yeah.

01:01:52.000 You know, Roberto Duran, even when he fought at 147, he was just going up there to fight Sugary Leonard and stayed up there and then went as high as 60 and 68. When he fought Iran Barkley.

01:02:01.000 Yeah.

01:02:01.000 Woo!

01:02:02.000 That was beautiful. 1.00

01:02:03.000 When he knocked down Barkley, I was like, holy shit. 0.97

01:02:05.000 Here's a guy who's got a serious reach disadvantage, and he's playing the outside, slip-on-the-outside game with a guy who's got a reach. 0.98

01:02:15.000 A guy who destroyed Tommy Hearns, a dangerous striker. 0.99

01:02:18.000 That's when Iran Barkley was a fucking beast. 1.00

01:02:21.000 He was a strong puncher, man. 1.00

01:02:22.000 He took a lot out of Barkley. 1.00

01:02:24.000 Woo, fuck yeah. 1.00

01:02:25.000 And Davey Moore. 1.00

01:02:26.000 Remember when he boxed up Davey Moore? 0.99

01:02:28.000 And you're like, God damn! 0.99

01:02:30.000 No one thought... 0.99

01:02:30.000 Everybody thought Roberto Duran was done. 0.99

01:02:32.000 Roberto Duran had lost to Sugar Ray Leonard in this humbling, no-moss fight.

01:02:36.000 And he won in the first fight, and in the rematch, he quit.

01:02:41.000 There's all sorts of speculation as to why he did it.

01:02:44.000 The range from him being paid to take a dive, to him being sick in the ring. 0.98

01:02:49.000 Who the fuck knows what it was, but... 0.98

01:02:51.000 Something messed with him at that moment. 0.99

01:02:53.000 Something broke and he was humiliated for years.

01:02:57.000 It took a long time for him to come back to the public's acceptance.

01:03:02.000 Yeah, man.

01:03:02.000 I admire those people that have come back.

01:03:05.000 Look at Foreman after he lost to Ali.

01:03:07.000 He took that hard.

01:03:09.000 Ten years, man.

01:03:10.000 He took that hard, but he came back, man.

01:03:12.000 You got to give him credit.

01:03:14.000 I mean, regardless of how silly the whole, you know, naming all your kids George and being like a...

01:03:22.000 A crazy religious person and having a foreman grill, all that stuff, he's done some amazing things that are truly admirable.

01:03:31.000 And it's like, people that can come back from that, Those people are my inspiration.

01:03:37.000 Yeah, George Foreman didn't box from the time he was...

01:03:40.000 I think he was in his 20s till he was in his 30s.

01:03:44.000 And he was completely fat and out of shape.

01:03:46.000 And I remember he had a comeback fight, and they put it on the...

01:03:50.000 It was like trivia.

01:03:52.000 It was like, what?

01:03:53.000 Former heavyweight champion? 0.94

01:03:55.000 And you see him in his comeback fight and you look at him and you're like, oh my god, this looks so silly. 0.94

01:04:00.000 Yeah. 0.84

01:04:01.000 Like, look at him.

01:04:01.000 Like, poor George Foreman.

01:04:03.000 And the next thing you know, he's on HBO knocking out Michael Moore to be the oldest heavyweight champion ever.

01:04:07.000 I remember.

01:04:07.000 Michael Moore was my favorite heavyweight at the time.

01:04:10.000 And I remember just being like...

01:04:12.000 I was so distraught when I saw that.

01:04:14.000 I was like, this has got to be fixed.

01:04:17.000 I was a little kid at the time, but I was like, I can't believe that just happened.

01:04:22.000 I was hoping that Moore was going to end up eventually fighting Lennox Lewis.

01:04:27.000 They were both undefeated and ranked really highly.

01:04:32.000 Holyfield and Bo were still very major players in the heavyweight game at the time.

01:04:36.000 And I was hoping to see that matchup and that just squashed everything.

01:04:41.000 Moore was never quite the same.

01:04:42.000 Michael Moore was a tweener and really he was like one of the greatest light heavyweight champions ever.

01:04:48.000 Michael Moore was a destroyer at light heavyweight.

01:04:51.000 But then he goes up to heavyweight and those dudes are big, man.

01:04:56.000 Those dudes are really big.

01:04:58.000 Yep.

01:04:58.000 Those Klitschko fellas.

01:05:00.000 Like, what the fuck is that? 0.99

01:05:02.000 That guy was on the plane with us. 0.99

01:05:03.000 I forget where we were going.

01:05:05.000 I think it was Montreal, and he was on the plane.

01:05:08.000 The guy stood up.

01:05:09.000 He's a giant.

01:05:10.000 He's this giant, just super athlete dude.

01:05:14.000 Those dudes are badasses, and they're very good.

01:05:16.000 Rocky Marciano. 1.00

01:05:18.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:05:18.000 I know. 0.99

01:05:19.000 It's a shame, too.

01:05:20.000 Because people have...

01:05:21.000 They bring...

01:05:23.000 Like, boxing historians and people that fancy themselves as boxing experts that, like, know about the old times, they have some sort of nostalgia or some personal, like, nostalgic connection to these old fighters, and that's great.

01:05:37.000 And these old fighters were great, and they did...

01:05:40.000 Like acts of human endurance over time span of 20, 30 years sometimes that are amazing and had so many fights and beat the shit out of themselves just for the, you know, to continue on their career and to make the public happy and they really destroyed themselves watching what happened to all these guys like Joe Lewis and LaMotta and You know,

01:06:04.000 like Archie Moore and all these great people, but the actual skill, I mean, we're at a higher level right now, and I hate it when people don't want to accept that, and they don't want to talk about that.

01:06:15.000 They're just like, oh no, you've got to...

01:06:18.000 I give credit where credit's due, but you can't compare the best old fighters to the best...

01:06:28.000 I hate heavyweight boxing now, I don't really watch it, but even with the heavyweight division being as dismal as it is, it shouldn't take away from how excellent these Klitschko guys are. 0.95

01:06:37.000 Yeah, they are excellent, but I'll be tuning into whatever's playing them, whether it's Showtime or whoever, and I'm like, who the fuck is this guy fighting? 0.93

01:06:45.000 Who's this guy? 0.94

01:06:46.000 They have nobody to fight. 0.97

01:06:47.000 It's ridiculous.

01:06:48.000 Yeah, heavyweight boxing is just not in a good place right now.

01:06:51.000 Yeah, I mean, unless there's a fight at the press conference like David Hay and that other dude. 0.99

01:06:57.000 What the fuck's that guy's name? 0.98

01:07:00.000 I forget his name. 1.00

01:07:01.000 They had some crazy brawl at a press conference.

01:07:05.000 But all that's manufactured.

01:07:07.000 I don't think this one was.

01:07:09.000 David Hay punched him in the face with a bottle in his hand.

01:07:12.000 Really?

01:07:12.000 Yeah, it wasn't manufactured.

01:07:13.000 Do you remember when Riddick Bowe knocked out Larry Donald or knocked him down on stage?

01:07:20.000 If you ever Google that, Riddick Bowe, Larry Donald.

01:07:24.000 Yeah, did he punch him?

01:07:26.000 He hit him with a two-punch combination that was like, it was brilliant.

01:07:31.000 Larry Donald had no idea that he was going to do it to him.

01:07:34.000 It was brilliant that he sucker-punched him?

01:07:37.000 I mean, well, I mean, I'm not giving him credit like as if that was awesome that you did that.

01:07:44.000 But the combination was it was brilliant.

01:07:46.000 They were standing there face to face and Riddick Bowe just dipped down, I think, through like a left hand.

01:07:52.000 hook and just cracked him right on the chin and there's like if you watch it in slow motion there's a second where Larry Donald's chin just snaps and he's still like standing there like like dumbfounded and then Bo comes down and like dips and hits him with an overhand right what were they arguing about It was just the same tired boxing thing where two guys...

01:08:12.000 Brian, pull that up so we can see it.

01:08:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:08:14.000 Riddick, Bowe, Larry Donald press conference.

01:08:16.000 I remember that.

01:08:17.000 Did they fight after that?

01:08:19.000 Yeah, well, that was the press conference for the actual fight.

01:08:21.000 How many days away from the fight was that?

01:08:23.000 Man, I'm not sure. 0.99

01:08:25.000 Because that's fucked up. 0.99

01:08:26.000 Yeah, yeah, he cracked him. 0.99

01:08:27.000 I mean, he got fined and all this stuff happened.

01:08:30.000 The commission came down on him and everything.

01:08:32.000 But I feel like these guys are always...

01:08:35.000 Every single fight that we have now...

01:08:38.000 I love boxing, but boxing is desperately trying to promote itself, and that's why you see all these little scuffles and all this stuff going on.

01:08:47.000 Yeah, I think this is it.

01:08:48.000 Oh my god.

01:08:48.000 Yeah, this is it.

01:08:50.000 Getting excited about the upcoming Riddick Bowe-Larry Donald heavyweight fight, this could change your mind.

01:08:56.000 Oh my god.

01:09:04.000 Look how he dips into it.

01:09:06.000 Oh! 1.00

01:09:08.000 Oh my god, that's fucked up. 1.00

01:09:10.000 Yeah, no, it's totally fucked up and it's wrong. 1.00

01:09:13.000 And I mean, I'm not condoning it. 0.99

01:09:17.000 Have you seen Riddick Bowe today?

01:09:19.000 Oh man.

01:09:20.000 It's terrifying.

01:09:21.000 Yeah, that's why it's scary.

01:09:23.000 See if you find anything in Riddick Bowe today, Brian. 1.00

01:09:26.000 You listen to him talk and it's like, oh shit. 0.99

01:09:29.000 And he's only like 40-something. 1.00

01:09:31.000 His transformation hasn't even begun.

01:09:36.000 Yeah, I know.

01:09:37.000 And we were talking about that before last week, about how it's scary because there's no science that can really tell you what's going on with your brain.

01:09:49.000 I had so much on my mind.

01:09:50.000 Not to make excuses, but that's just the way it was.

01:09:53.000 Was it the death of your sister?

01:09:55.000 That's back then.

01:09:56.000 That's back then.

01:09:57.000 He was fine.

01:09:58.000 Yeah, this is when he was okay.

01:09:59.000 Yeah, this is when he was the champ.

01:10:01.000 So if you can find something of him now, that would be a good contrast.

01:10:03.000 Yeah, if you look at Riddick Bowe, if you just Google or YouTube Riddick Bowe today talking, the second one down looks like him today.

01:10:12.000 I'm sure it's horrific.

01:10:15.000 Did you see the fights this past weekend, the boxing matches?

01:10:18.000 I didn't.

01:10:18.000 I missed them.

01:10:19.000 I missed them.

01:10:19.000 Along with James J. Dillon, the WWE Hall of Fame.

01:10:23.000 Yeah, the Canelo-Alvarez fight was amazing.

01:10:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:29.000 But they were talking to Paul Williams, the guy who crashed the motorcycle and was paralyzed from the waist down.

01:10:37.000 Yeah, he was one of my favorites.

01:10:38.000 Great, great fighter.

01:10:39.000 But he was struggling to talk.

01:10:41.000 I was listening to him talk.

01:10:42.000 I was like, this guy sounds punch-truck.

01:10:43.000 I know, I know.

01:10:44.000 You've seen cage matches.

01:10:46.000 You're going into that 15-foot steel cage and the chances of you or your opponent getting really hurt is very great.

01:10:56.000 Well, it is what it is.

01:10:57.000 You know, the better man will come out.

01:10:59.000 Now, why do you believe you've been training and all this?

01:11:03.000 It's unfinished business with Andrew Gulotta.

01:11:05.000 Can you give us any, I don't know, anything?

01:11:09.000 How are you going to beat him in the steel cage?

01:11:11.000 What a terrible interview with this guy. 0.92

01:11:12.000 I'm going to beat him good.

01:11:15.000 Yeah, I mean, you can't really tell with this one, but yeah, he's pretty messed up.

01:11:24.000 If you look at the second one down, it's an actual interview where he's talking.

01:11:29.000 It says so much to talk about Riddick Bowe.

01:11:33.000 This is in 2009. Well, the point is, these dudes, they reach this point where it just all falls apart.

01:11:44.000 And the crazy thing is, it might not even be apparent during their career lots of times.

01:11:48.000 You see it 15 years after they retire in lots of cases.

01:11:51.000 This is still a new sport.

01:11:54.000 Even boxing.

01:11:56.000 Combat in the way that it is now is very new.

01:12:00.000 No, the thing is.

01:12:02.000 His determination.

01:12:04.000 I had to outwill him.

01:12:06.000 And I think that was the difference.

01:12:09.000 I outwilled him.

01:12:13.000 There's no doubt about that.

01:12:15.000 That was it.

01:12:16.000 That's the one.

01:12:17.000 And it's a shame because I struggle with the idea of that possibility myself as well and I think a lot of the prevention of that can happen in the gym.

01:12:31.000 And I've spent years Being the type of fighter that was like, oh, well I've got to spar because it's the only thing that would hold my attention because I was so down on myself about the sport.

01:12:40.000 I was like, you know, not interested in drilling or learning technique.

01:12:44.000 I was like, let's just get in and get out as fast as we can and beat the crap out of each other and I'll be able to wake up in the morning knowing that I have to do that and then I'll go and my timing will get better and everything but that is not the way to have longevity and so now I'm loving myself again,

01:13:04.000 loving the sport again, and I'm realizing that the less shots I take in practice, the less likely my chin is going to become glass as I get older.

01:13:16.000 And the better I'll be able to have a functioning brain as I get older.

01:13:21.000 You know what I mean?

01:13:22.000 You've got to be smart.

01:13:23.000 Yeah, the thing about taking punishment in the gym is a very real thing, and people think that's the only way to do it.

01:13:29.000 I completely agree with your idea that you've had plenty of tough fights, and you know what a tough fight is like, and what you need to do is just work on your skill and work on your conditioning, and then execute come fight day.

01:13:40.000 The battery that guys take inside the gym needs to be managed.

01:13:46.000 It really, really needs to be managed, and it's a real problem in this sport That there's so many different ways to do it.

01:13:54.000 Nobody really knows the exact correct way to do it yet.

01:13:57.000 The sport's still in its infancy.

01:13:58.000 It really truly is.

01:13:59.000 As is, by the way, football.

01:14:01.000 When you talk about head injuries, the newest Sports Illustrated has Jim McMahon on from the Chicago Bears.

01:14:09.000 And I read it, and I started talking to some friends about it, and I started watching some documentaries about it.

01:14:14.000 I've been paying attention to football only for this reason, this head injury thing, really. 0.98

01:14:19.000 It's fucking terrifying. 0.96

01:14:20.000 It's only been around 50-plus years. 1.00

01:14:23.000 These guys, it takes them 20 years to end their career and then start having problems, and then they're fucked. 1.00

01:14:29.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:14:30.000 And we're slowly watching what's happening because, like I said, some guys, they don't even show symptoms until way later, way after they retire.

01:14:39.000 Once you get older and other organs stop being as efficient, then all that is brought out.

01:14:47.000 I mean, you're scrambling your brain literally.

01:14:49.000 And the messed up thing about football is like what we were talking about before.

01:14:54.000 They're using their heads.

01:14:56.000 I mean, because the helmet protects your skin, it protects your skull.

01:15:01.000 Your skull won't crack with the helmet.

01:15:03.000 That's what it's designed to do it, in my opinion.

01:15:06.000 And if you look at it from like a physical standpoint, It centralizes the percussion of the impact.

01:15:13.000 And so, yeah, sure, you can ram your head into a steel post or someone else's helmet or someone's body, and you can rush at them with all the power that you've trained to do and use your head as a weapon.

01:15:26.000 And every time you do that, you're...

01:15:29.000 Creating a concussion.

01:15:30.000 You're causing your brain to bounce around in the skull, literally.

01:15:35.000 And it's like, they don't even feel that lots of times.

01:15:38.000 You know what I mean?

01:15:40.000 You get a flash of unconsciousness, or you feel like you get rocked, and they've got these big traps and everything, and they work on their next strength to help displace the impact for the rest of their body.

01:15:53.000 But it's like, Man, you're screwing yourself up every single time, and they don't even think about it.

01:15:58.000 Whereas with fighting, it's like we've got these small gloves, so when you get hit, you know it.

01:16:04.000 And then there's a time when you've got to stop and check yourself.

01:16:07.000 Like, oh, I got hurt.

01:16:09.000 And you know when you're taking punishment.

01:16:11.000 Whereas with football, you can just go through the whole game, go through a whole career doing that.

01:16:16.000 Well, and even in MMA, especially if you're not being managed by...

01:16:22.000 Someone or trained by someone who's like really paying attention to you and monitoring you and looking out for you.

01:16:28.000 You know guys get tagged in the gym and then they have to keep training.

01:16:32.000 They have a fight coming up.

01:16:34.000 Man, I'll tell you what.

01:16:37.000 If there's great, great trainers out there that understand that and understand all the technical aspects, the mental and emotional aspects and the health aspects, I don't know of them.

01:16:51.000 Wow.

01:16:52.000 That's crazy.

01:16:53.000 People are going to take offense because we've got all these highly publicized trainers, especially in MMA right now, but I've worked with a lot of people and I know a lot of the fighters that work with a lot of these other guys that I haven't worked directly with.

01:17:08.000 And I don't see anybody really being an amazing trainer as far as monitoring the overall health.

01:17:18.000 I mean, there can be.

01:17:19.000 I don't want to say that there isn't for sure.

01:17:21.000 But if there is anyone, they're up and coming.

01:17:24.000 I can tell you that much.

01:17:25.000 and the sport's still in its infancy to the point where I think it's going to take my generation of fighters retiring and the few that are able to understand fighting and understand the right smart ways to train.

01:17:41.000 I would love to.

01:17:42.000 You'd be amazing at that.

01:17:43.000 I would love to be a trainer.

01:17:44.000 It's just the only thing is I don't really know how to segue into that as far as the financial aspect goes because I feel like if I just all of a sudden say, hey, I'm training fighters now.

01:18:00.000 Hey, I will need at least one or two star people who are making decent money to not only publicize the fact that I'm doing this but to create an amount of revenue to make it worthwhile.

01:18:15.000 Because if I'm training a fighter and they're at a high level...

01:18:19.000 I want to be there for them all the time.

01:18:22.000 I'm going to have to monitor every single thing they do throughout their entire training camp and be a monitor of them in the downtime as well and just be there for the fighter.

01:18:37.000 It's going to be an interesting thing to see if I can somehow segue into that.

01:18:41.000 I would love to, but I don't know that it's necessarily readily available for me, but time will tell.

01:18:48.000 Well, it seems like you could probably join up with someone who has good intentions but isn't doing it, you know, what you think would be correctly or, you know, or doesn't bring to the table what you think you would bring.

01:18:59.000 I mean, you have more than 20 MMA fights.

01:19:01.000 How many MMA fights do you have?

01:19:02.000 I mean, if you count the fights on the show, too, I think I have like 35 or something like that.

01:19:09.000 Some of them aren't on SureDog and stuff, but I think...

01:19:13.000 I think I'm like like officially like 32 but then yeah something I don't know over 30 that's a wealth of experience yeah yeah and and a lot of and I've taken especially in the latter years taking a lot of break like long break time in between fights just due to injuries and just taking time off to reflect and things like that I I was able to work with gray a lot and me and gray have a really good relationship gray Maynard we're actually really good friends so Last fight when he was getting ready for Clay

01:19:44.000 Guida, I went out of my way because of the situation that he's in right now.

01:19:47.000 He kind of needs somebody to do that.

01:19:49.000 I went out of my way to try to help him in a trainer type aspect, but the same thing applies.

01:19:55.000 I live in LA, he lives in Santa Cruz, and I just don't have the time or resources to be there with him every day.

01:20:02.000 But I did watch tape of his opponent.

01:20:04.000 I fought his opponent, so I knew his opponent really well.

01:20:07.000 I studied a lot.

01:20:09.000 We took notes.

01:20:11.000 And I helped monitor his training, and I cornered him.

01:20:14.000 And I think that could be something that I want to do in the future.

01:20:17.000 It's just whether or not I have the facility or the resources to...

01:20:23.000 You're an easy guy to get along with.

01:20:25.000 You're a rational person, so I think it'd be a good fit for you.

01:20:29.000 And you obviously have a passion for the development of other fighters as well as the development of yourself.

01:20:35.000 I'm an analytical person, and I know the boundaries of over-analysis.

01:20:42.000 So I feel like I could be a good person for a lot of fighters.

01:20:47.000 I think you'd make an amazing trainer.

01:20:49.000 Yeah, you're an open-minded dude, too.

01:20:51.000 You're always looking at different aspects. 0.98

01:20:53.000 You're telling me all the different shit that Rico was doing with you. 0.94

01:20:56.000 By the way, I'm also super happy to hear that Rico's working with somebody again. 0.99

01:21:00.000 Rico was one of those guys that's like the lost talent.

01:21:03.000 Rico's a brilliant guy.

01:21:06.000 There was a whole lot of things that I didn't understand that were going on.

01:21:13.000 For the folks who don't know, Rico Ciapparelli was one of the original trainers of RAW, which was real American wrestling, which was Henderson and Couture, Vladimir Matyshenko, all these big-name guys from back in the day.

01:21:26.000 And Rico Ciapparelli was always known as this really brilliant, super analytical guy who was wicked on the ground.

01:21:32.000 Yeah, he was one of those people who understood body mechanics and Combat so well that it was so quick.

01:21:43.000 His transition from being a high-level freestyle wrestler in college and on the world stage and then transitioning to being in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, someone who understood submissions and everything was just...

01:21:59.000 So quick.

01:22:00.000 He only had to be taught a few things.

01:22:03.000 He figured out the rest himself.

01:22:06.000 Maybe not in every aspect of life, but in that particular aspect of understanding grappling, wrestling, body mechanics, and combat in general, mentally, emotionally, and physically, he's a genius.

01:22:21.000 Yeah, he was working with, I was there with Couture and Henderson and Erickson.

01:22:26.000 Erickson had already left on good terms, and Couture and Henderson, you know, were doing their own thing.

01:22:32.000 And when I got there, it was me and Vladimir Matyshenko and Frank Trigg, and then a few other guys like Fernando Vasconcelos, who I had talked about before, and some other fighters were always coming through.

01:22:42.000 Waleed Ishmael was there.

01:22:43.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:45.000 I actually was his roommate.

01:22:46.000 Oh, man.

01:22:47.000 On the stand.

01:22:48.000 Yeah, man, you understand.

01:22:49.000 Let me tell you this guy.

01:22:50.000 It's a handshake, man.

01:22:51.000 You ever see that?

01:22:52.000 It's a weird three-finger thing.

01:22:54.000 Oh, man. 1.00

01:22:55.000 Silly. 0.99

01:22:56.000 He's awesome. 0.99

01:22:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:58.000 But Rico, I mean, I just had this quality.

01:23:02.000 And I don't even know.

01:23:03.000 I don't even think he purposely projects it.

01:23:06.000 But people...

01:23:07.000 They want to be around him.

01:23:09.000 They want to hear what he has to say.

01:23:11.000 He's almost like a prophet.

01:23:13.000 He's a brilliant guy.

01:23:14.000 In the social situation of the gym, then it became too dramatic for him.

01:23:19.000 And he really doesn't like drama.

01:23:21.000 He doesn't like being surrounded by the scene of a gym.

01:23:24.000 All these things, they become scenes.

01:23:27.000 And then there's politics, and people are talking about this and that, and there's all this silly stuff going on.

01:23:33.000 And it's no longer just about...

01:23:36.000 Learning and training and competing, it becomes this whole other thing.

01:23:40.000 And he got fed up with that.

01:23:43.000 His way of coping with it may have not been the best way, but he had to distance himself from it.

01:23:49.000 And now I'm just...

01:23:50.000 I couldn't be happier.

01:23:53.000 I'm just honored to be a part of what he's doing.

01:23:57.000 That's what he told me.

01:23:58.000 He said, I would love to...

01:24:00.000 Try to make one fighter great instead of just having some big facility where a bunch of, you know, fair weather people come through when they want to and show up.

01:24:10.000 He's like, I want to just focus everything.

01:24:12.000 As long as you guys have foil on your t-shirts and like Japanese lettering, as long as you have that, you know, like you need a cool logo.

01:24:21.000 Maybe something people can tattoo on their body.

01:24:24.000 I know, I know.

01:24:26.000 Well, unfortunately, all the Affliction stuff is going out of style, so I can't have patches across my back and safety pinned onto my other garments.

01:24:37.000 They fired my man Tom Atencio, so I used to wear Affliction stuff.

01:24:42.000 Tom's my friend, and also, Tom, I feel like Affliction MMA. They tried to pay some fighters.

01:24:50.000 They tried to do a good thing.

01:24:52.000 Yeah, no, no, no, no. 0.67

01:24:53.000 I just think the physical style was ludicrous.

01:24:56.000 It's not as bad as Ed Hardy.

01:24:58.000 No, no, no.

01:24:58.000 They sponsored a lot of fighters.

01:25:00.000 But I talk shit about them and I feel bad because I like when guys sponsor fighters, obviously. 0.96

01:25:03.000 So I bought some of their dragon jeans. 0.98

01:25:06.000 I wore them to the weigh-ins.

01:25:07.000 I made a big deal out of it.

01:25:08.000 I still have them, man.

01:25:10.000 My wife tried to throw them away.

01:25:11.000 I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

01:25:13.000 You're not throwing out my dragon jeans.

01:25:15.000 I wore those things only for the weigh-ins.

01:25:18.000 I might have worn them for two weigh-ins.

01:25:20.000 I'll announce it on the UG. I will be wearing my dragon jeans.

01:25:23.000 Because it's so ridiculous! 0.55

01:25:24.000 Yeah, it was so weird. 0.81

01:25:26.000 It was like all of a sudden, this subculture has these guys wearing these strange shirts where things are made to look like they're torn with little holes and little worn spots and things stitched all oddly across them.

01:25:41.000 What's that about?

01:25:42.000 I don't know.

01:25:45.000 We're bringing back the heavy metal skull logo stuff.

01:25:49.000 Do any of you guys listen to Iron Maiden?

01:25:52.000 Do you remember Eddie and all that?

01:25:54.000 Do you remember Vic, the Megadeth guy or anything?

01:25:58.000 That's not even what it's about.

01:26:00.000 It's just this new retro thing that most of the people don't understand the nostalgia or that it is retro.

01:26:08.000 Like spray tans, faux hawks, and then these like flare bootcut bell-bottom-ish pants that are like have the same distressed look about them.

01:26:18.000 And then those weird square-toed shoes that are like patent leather or something that come up really long.

01:26:25.000 And like all these guys are like, I just, it was the most absurd style I'd ever seen.

01:26:30.000 And I'm so glad that that's kind of starting to fade away, but I'm just leery of what is going to replace it.

01:26:35.000 I'm not sure what's more absurd.

01:26:38.000 Built-in holes or sagging. 0.99

01:26:42.000 I don't know which is more ridiculous. 0.95

01:26:44.000 I think sagging is more ridiculous even than built-in holes. 0.96

01:26:46.000 Well, I think sagging is particularly ridiculous now because especially with the hipster type of culture and then hipster hip-hop culture now is tight jeans... 0.80

01:26:59.000 But sag them.

01:27:00.000 And that's the worst style ever.

01:27:02.000 Because it's like, if you've got some big jeans, you can sag them.

01:27:05.000 Because they're big jeans.

01:27:06.000 And I might not be into that, but it's like, you rock a little bit of a sag because you're wearing size 38 jeans with a 30 waist.

01:27:13.000 I get it.

01:27:14.000 But when you have these...

01:27:18.000 These jeans that are made out of denim, but they're made to fit the way that spandex do.

01:27:23.000 And then you pull them down so that you can see your boxer shorts in the back.

01:27:28.000 It's really hard to walk around.

01:27:30.000 They're wearing shoes with no support these days.

01:27:33.000 And just like...

01:27:35.000 Glasses that aren't prescription.

01:27:38.000 It's the oddest thing in the world.

01:27:42.000 I don't understand style.

01:27:45.000 I don't understand how these things get popular.

01:27:50.000 Why everybody sheeps together and conforms to these absurd styles.

01:27:57.000 All it takes is one person who is an icon or You know, the hero worship mentality that we have nowadays, the cult of personality thing.

01:28:06.000 Is that what it is?

01:28:07.000 Because it doesn't seem to be one person that created that.

01:28:09.000 It seems to have been something that sort of emerged.

01:28:12.000 It doesn't seem...

01:28:13.000 There's not like an example that I can look back and say, well, that guy was the first guy to wear the already tattered jeans.

01:28:18.000 I think it starts to happen, and people are pushing for it, and then what validates it is some hero person, and then the other hero person does it.

01:28:28.000 You know, some celebrity...

01:28:29.000 It's a very strange society we live in with just the idea of celebrities and the cult of personality. 0.98

01:28:35.000 Yeah, it is ridiculous. 0.61

01:28:36.000 I saw one photograph of this guy who had... 0.96

01:28:41.000 Oh, that's my fanny pack.

01:28:42.000 There's my dragon jeans!

01:28:43.000 Yeah, that's them.

01:28:45.000 Those are real.

01:28:46.000 Look, they're the dragon jeans with built-in, worn-out spots. 0.98

01:28:49.000 I told you, I wore them shits twice. 0.85

01:28:50.000 Wait, are we doing this with cars now? 0.97

01:28:54.000 Do we have cars that have rust holes and dents in them already?

01:28:57.000 No, you can't have that.

01:28:57.000 People want shiny cars.

01:28:59.000 Cars are still shiny.

01:29:00.000 Cars represent you made up going to a nightclub on a red carpet.

01:29:06.000 Right, right, right.

01:29:07.000 Yeah, I was wondering, when is that going to get popular, where people are taking a hammer and banging little holes, or cars start being sold with rust spots already?

01:29:18.000 Where I'm from, we have rust. 0.95

01:29:19.000 I just got my shit hail damaged. 0.99

01:29:23.000 You're like... 0.96

01:29:25.000 There's a lot of dudes who are really into old cars, though, and they don't even clean them up. 0.91

01:29:30.000 They just drive them around all fucked up. 0.73

01:29:32.000 They don't take a 65 Mustang and wax it and make it look nice and take it out for it. 1.00

01:29:38.000 No, they like to keep it dirty and fucked up. 0.99

01:29:41.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:29:41.000 Some people don't feel like they're defined enough by who they are, by their actions, by their work, by... 0.99

01:29:50.000 They don't feel like they're defined enough.

01:29:52.000 So they want to really put out this image and work really hard at it. 0.97

01:29:56.000 And they're always gross.

01:29:57.000 There's just something about people who try really, really hard.

01:30:01.000 There's always something gross about it.

01:30:03.000 And then there's people that legitimately wear something because that's who they are.

01:30:11.000 Joey Diaz, when he was wearing those sweatpants like he was in The Sopranos all the time, remember he went through that phase?

01:30:18.000 Do you remember that phase? 0.99

01:30:19.000 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

01:30:20.000 It's Joey Diaz. 0.99

01:30:21.000 I'm happy to see him no matter what he's wearing.

01:30:23.000 If that's what you feel comfortable with, that's fine.

01:30:27.000 At some point, the slightly baggy jeans, the cargo pants, and a regular t-shirt.

01:30:35.000 At some point, I think I was skateboarding when that was kind of in.

01:30:38.000 Do you know who Mark Gonzalez is, the skateboarder?

01:30:41.000 One of the most amazing people in that subculture that we've ever seen.

01:30:46.000 He's an amazing guy.

01:30:47.000 He's an artist and everything, but He was wearing cargo pants, I remember, in this blind video.

01:30:53.000 Blind skateboards.

01:30:54.000 Anyway.

01:30:55.000 And I just took to that.

01:30:58.000 Not because I wanted to be like him.

01:31:00.000 And I was like, that looks cool.

01:31:02.000 It looks comfortable.

01:31:03.000 I tried it.

01:31:03.000 It did.

01:31:04.000 And I've been on that same path for like...

01:31:06.000 Like, 17 years now, or 18 years, and before that, it was a very similar type of thing.

01:31:13.000 I've never...

01:31:13.000 I always thought the faux hawk was ludicrous.

01:31:17.000 I mean, I thought, like, the faux hawk especially...

01:31:20.000 And I was just talking to this girl that I'm friends with the other day.

01:31:24.000 It's like...

01:31:26.000 Okay, when you're a little kid, I think I was actually in this situation.

01:31:30.000 You're a little kid, and you're like, I want a mohawk.

01:31:33.000 I want a mohawk like they have in the cartoons and stuff, like a punk mohawk, like a tough guy mohawk.

01:31:41.000 No, you're not having that.

01:31:42.000 I'm not going to let you shave the sides of your head and have a mohawk.

01:31:45.000 Well, fine.

01:31:46.000 And then, you know, you take your mom's hairspray, you lock yourself in the bathroom, and you try to smoosh up, like, your hair into, like, a mohawk.

01:31:53.000 It's like, I think I actually did that once, and then I saw what happened.

01:31:58.000 This was, like, the faux hawk circa 1987 or 86, and I smooshed my hair up, and I was like, that's not good enough.

01:32:05.000 That's not going to cut it.

01:32:06.000 And I put it back down, and I gave up on it, and I didn't think about it until years later, and all of a sudden, I moved to L.A., And there's people smushing their hair up into this little point.

01:32:15.000 It became very different though.

01:32:17.000 It didn't become like pretending to be a mohawk.

01:32:19.000 Right.

01:32:20.000 No, it turned into its own thing.

01:32:23.000 But man, what an absurd style that was.

01:32:25.000 Joey Diaz talks about it. 1.00

01:32:26.000 He goes, it's like you're sucking some guy's dick and he grabs you by the top of the head. 1.00

01:32:29.000 He goes, you're doing it wrong. 1.00

01:32:31.000 Smacks you in the face and sends you right back down. 0.95

01:32:33.000 Oh, man. 0.90

01:32:35.000 I mean, that's...

01:32:36.000 Yeah, and I knew a lot of people, like friends of mine, like good friends that were like cool people, and I thought were with it.

01:32:44.000 And then one day I'd look and I'd be like, dude, you have a faux hawk.

01:32:47.000 Like, what is that?

01:32:49.000 And they'd be like, oh, what?

01:32:50.000 What?

01:32:51.000 What's the big deal?

01:32:51.000 And I'm just like...

01:32:54.000 Well, okay.

01:32:55.000 There really is no big deal.

01:32:56.000 They are correct.

01:32:57.000 They are correct, Matt.

01:32:58.000 I guess they are. 0.98

01:33:00.000 You're worried about some guy's wonky-ass hairstyle. 0.99

01:33:02.000 I know, but it's just so ludicrous. 0.99

01:33:05.000 It creates this itch, and the only way to scratch it is by telling people that it's ridiculous or by actually going up to their head. 0.98

01:33:13.000 It is, but all haircuts are ridiculous. 0.96

01:33:16.000 Your decision to keep it short, my decision to shave my head, hair is crazy. 1.00

01:33:21.000 It's fucking ridiculous. 1.00

01:33:22.000 It's a ridiculous body part anyway. 1.00

01:33:24.000 Some weird shit that you have to maintain and hack off on kind of kitchen. 0.97

01:33:28.000 But what we're doing is a lot... 0.96

01:33:30.000 I'd like to think it's a lot less pretentious than the Fauxhawk. 0.99

01:33:32.000 But yes, okay.

01:33:33.000 I guess I've...

01:33:35.000 I've dumbed down the conversation.

01:33:38.000 What you're doing is you're observing not just this weird phenomenon of people like what you call style.

01:33:47.000 It's a bunch of lost folks trying to communicate in really boxy sort of confined terms who they are.

01:33:56.000 Look, I have skinny jeans on, but I'm sagging.

01:33:59.000 I'm super cool.

01:33:59.000 I know a lot of black people.

01:34:02.000 Sagging makes me want to take your money. 0.99

01:34:04.000 And I'm not even a thief. 1.00

01:34:05.000 But it makes me want to pants you and pull your fucking wallet away and run. 1.00

01:34:09.000 Because you look like a goddamn victim. 1.00

01:34:12.000 I don't get it. 1.00

01:34:14.000 Brian, are you faux hawking over there?

01:34:15.000 Oh, wow.

01:34:16.000 Yeah, look at you.

01:34:17.000 You faux hawk with just sweat and lack of showering. 1.00

01:34:21.000 You faux hawk the shit out of that thing. 1.00

01:34:23.000 It's just pussy juice, Joe. 1.00

01:34:25.000 Whoa, Brian, again. 1.00

01:34:27.000 Two hits before a show, never three.

01:34:29.000 I was watching the...

01:34:30.000 Didn't he do something awkward before the Kat Von D thing?

01:34:33.000 When did he not do something awkward?

01:34:35.000 Yeah, the Kat Von D thing was one of my favorite ever.

01:34:38.000 Because you can see Kat Von D looking at him.

01:34:40.000 He told a story about a girl who had a tattoo of her dad as a baby on her arm.

01:34:46.000 Right, right, right.

01:34:47.000 And he said, well, is it weird?

01:34:48.000 Talking about coming on it.

01:34:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:34:50.000 No, guys, come on it. 1.00

01:34:51.000 And Kat Von D was like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:34:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:34:53.000 You can see the look in her face. 1.00

01:34:55.000 It was right in the beginning of the podcast.

01:34:56.000 She was probably like, oh no, am I going to have to put up with two hours of this type of thing? 1.00

01:35:00.000 Yes, exactly.

01:35:00.000 That's what I was a little worried about.

01:35:01.000 He went in deep early.

01:35:03.000 And she had never listened to the podcast. 0.99

01:35:06.000 She had no idea what the fuck he was going to... 0.92

01:35:08.000 People who have listened to the podcast, like yesterday we had on your buddy Rich, Rich Wall. 0.99

01:35:13.000 Great guy.

01:35:14.000 Really, really fascinating guy.

01:35:15.000 But he's listened to the podcast.

01:35:16.000 That's why when we were talking...

01:35:18.000 And he said, what do you think of when you think of a vegan?

01:35:20.000 We were like, well, two dudes blowing each other, eating a salad.

01:35:22.000 Right, right, right.

01:35:23.000 He didn't get offended.

01:35:24.000 Of course not. 0.96

01:35:25.000 But, you know, if you were like some dude who's like really on this podcast to express yourself, and you didn't know that we're retarded. 0.61

01:35:33.000 But you're comedians, too.

01:35:34.000 Yeah.

01:35:34.000 So the punchlines like that just come out of you.

01:35:37.000 I would have to say that about myself.

01:35:38.000 I mean, if that's the joke, look, what is the funny thing about it?

01:35:42.000 It's two dudes.

01:35:42.000 Dudes blowing each other, eating a salad.

01:35:44.000 That's what was funny in my head.

01:35:45.000 I would have had to say that about myself, about anything that I enjoy. 0.99

01:35:48.000 If that's what's funny, that's why I get crazy when this Tracy Morgan type shit happens, when Tracy Morgan gets in trouble for saying that if his son was gay, I stabbed him. 0.98

01:35:59.000 He's not really saying that. 0.98

01:36:01.000 He's trying to say something totally outrageous that's just the funniest thing to say at that moment.

01:36:05.000 He's playing in a sarcastic way.

01:36:08.000 He's playing on the idea of the stereotype that most people will think of.

01:36:13.000 He's not even expressing your opinion.

01:36:17.000 So in order to get offended by that, it would have to be presented in a much different way.

01:36:23.000 Yeah, that's really driving me nuts about this literal aspect of our culture lately when it comes to stand-up comedy. 0.99

01:36:31.000 It's because you're playing dumb. 0.99

01:36:32.000 You're playing dumb in order to call gotcha on somebody. 0.99

01:36:36.000 You're pretending that comedy is in a really subtle and weird, nuanced part of human expression. 0.99

01:36:44.000 And you're just taking it literally.

01:36:45.000 You're choosing to listen to what he says and look what I have written down.

01:36:50.000 These are the words that came out of his mouth.

01:36:52.000 Like... 1.00

01:36:52.000 That's ridiculous. 1.00

01:36:53.000 To take that out of context like that, it's a moron's game. 1.00

01:36:57.000 And when you're locked arguing with a moron about whether or not that should or shouldn't have happened, you're trapped. 1.00

01:37:02.000 That's the worst thing. 1.00

01:37:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:04.000 You can't do it.

01:37:05.000 There's a guy named Brian Holtzman.

01:37:06.000 It's one of my favorite comics in L.A. that nobody knows about.

01:37:09.000 Some people are starting to know about him.

01:37:10.000 We gotta get Brian Holtzman on the show.

01:37:12.000 That'd be awesome.

01:37:12.000 I love the guy.

01:37:13.000 He's a great guy. 1.00

01:37:14.000 But his whole act was just saying the most preposterous, mean shit. 1.00

01:37:19.000 He came on stage at the Comedy Store maybe a week after Susan Smith had drowned her kids. 1.00

01:37:25.000 And it was like this crazy thing with his mother and...

01:37:28.000 Drowned our children.

01:37:29.000 And he goes, I heard those were bad kids.

01:37:32.000 He goes, ladies and gentlemen, I heard they never put their blocks away. 1.00

01:37:35.000 They sat that close to the fucking TV. He goes, those kids would not be missed. 1.00

01:37:38.000 And it was just ridiculous. 0.97

01:37:41.000 It was so ridiculous that it was just this uncomfortable, sustained laughter through the comedies to like, oh, no. 1.00

01:37:49.000 But we were all scumbags. 0.99

01:37:51.000 I mean, he was telling this to a bunch of dirtbags in the darkest, most demonic club In Hollywood, and he always went on late. 0.99

01:37:59.000 They always put Holtzman on late.

01:38:00.000 So it was probably like midnight or something on a Tuesday.

01:38:03.000 Everybody had a lot of drinks on him, yeah.

01:38:05.000 On midnight on a Tuesday, when you're watching Brian Holtzman on stage at the Comedy Store, anything can happen.

01:38:09.000 But that, to me...

01:38:11.000 But you're in a comedy club.

01:38:12.000 Exactly.

01:38:12.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:13.000 And that's the art.

01:38:16.000 It's like, how do you push the boundaries of the art that you're doing?

01:38:19.000 It's like, well, my art is making...

01:38:22.000 Your art is making people laugh.

01:38:24.000 And there's all sorts of ways to go about doing that, and we have a framework to work with.

01:38:32.000 We're standing up, we're doing a routine, we're talking about things.

01:38:36.000 Why not go there?

01:38:37.000 Why not do that?

01:38:39.000 Why does everything have to be so literal?

01:38:41.000 Well, yeah, you don't have to like it.

01:38:43.000 Right, and if you don't like it, then that's fine, but what did you come to a comedy place for?

01:38:49.000 Yeah, I mean, some people are going to like some styles of comedy, and some people aren't, you know.

01:38:54.000 But to pretend that it's literal is like pretending the X-Men are really fighting aliens.

01:38:58.000 It really is.

01:39:00.000 It's like pretending that vampires can go outside and be sparkly.

01:39:06.000 They sparkle in the sun and they just want to romance you. 1.00

01:39:09.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:39:10.000 It's fiction. 0.99

01:39:12.000 Stand-up comedy is just a form of expression. 0.98

01:39:16.000 And Brian's form of expression is derailing conversations with really uncomfortable moments about cumming on tattoos of babies. 0.99

01:39:22.000 That was his move. 0.85

01:39:23.000 You've got to understand, that's not what he really would talk to you about on a regular basis.

01:39:29.000 Are you sure?

01:39:30.000 I'm pretty sure.

01:39:31.000 I know the guy.

01:39:33.000 That's cool, man.

01:39:34.000 Yeah.

01:39:35.000 Yeah, what's funny and what's not funny, it's like, who knows until you try.

01:39:39.000 That's the other problem.

01:39:44.000 pulling it, you have a very short window where it's really going to work.

01:39:49.000 And sometimes a bullet comes towards you and you're like, do I let this go?

01:39:53.000 Am I letting this one go?

01:39:54.000 What are we letting this one go?

01:39:54.000 Let it go!

01:39:55.000 Let it go!

01:39:55.000 And as you're letting it go, you go, oh no!

01:39:59.000 Do you know you're drunk and you're letting that one go?

01:40:03.000 You don't know how to articulate it correctly.

01:40:05.000 Yeah, there's the attention span of the audience to deal with.

01:40:09.000 When to pull the trigger and when not.

01:40:11.000 And then there's just the difference in the demographic of the audience.

01:40:14.000 I don't know if you're going to do the same routine in North Carolina that you do in LA or whatever.

01:40:21.000 How you're going to change that.

01:40:23.000 If you're even going to bother changing it.

01:40:25.000 I'm sure you'll notice a difference in the authenticity of their reaction and a lot of other different things.

01:40:34.000 I believe the word is authenticity.

01:40:35.000 Authenticity.

01:40:36.000 I do get punched in the head for a living.

01:40:38.000 See, every time I pull out... 1.00

01:40:41.000 Like, I expose myself for being stupid, especially with vocabulary or speech. 1.00

01:40:46.000 I can just always fall back and then I get hit in the head for a little bit. 1.00

01:40:50.000 But do you seriously monitor that?

01:40:52.000 Do you say like, okay, the moment I feel like a little weird, I'm done.

01:40:56.000 Yeah, yeah, I do, I do.

01:40:58.000 Because you seem totally lucid.

01:41:00.000 I've known you for at least seven years now.

01:41:02.000 You haven't changed at all.

01:41:04.000 I knew you before you ever got on the Ultimate Fighter.

01:41:06.000 Were you training at Legends?

01:41:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:41:08.000 You were the same guy.

01:41:09.000 Yeah, we were training at the Bomb Squad.

01:41:11.000 Yeah, the old Legends.

01:41:13.000 But you know, we both know guys from that era and before who are not the same guy now.

01:41:19.000 I know, I know.

01:41:20.000 Yeah, my only fear is that...

01:41:25.000 Even though I'm monitoring it, that it might come out long after I retire, which is what happens to some people.

01:41:33.000 If that happens, I sincerely hope that doesn't happen, but if it does, it's because the damage has already been done and there's nothing that I can do about it from this point forward.

01:41:43.000 All I can do is train smart.

01:41:45.000 If you look at the way that I'm training now, if you look at the way that Grey Maynard is training now, we are no longer Like killing ourselves for this sport and hating every moment of it just so that we can try to win and bask in like the the wonderful glory of winning on that one night.

01:42:04.000 It's like you should enjoy every day and yeah it's like you know bad days are gonna happen but you should enjoy every moment of it and you shouldn't be physically hurting yourself.

01:42:14.000 Obviously you don't want to blow out your knee you don't want to hurt your back when you're training Why would you want to hurt your brain?

01:42:20.000 You know what I mean?

01:42:21.000 This is something that we have to think about.

01:42:23.000 You have to train smart and you have to figure out ways to keep your speed and your timing and your reactions on point and at the same time not go in there and hurt each other.

01:42:36.000 And you can't be hurting your partners either.

01:42:37.000 I used to beat the crap out of my training partners to the point where I had like... 0.92

01:42:42.000 Taking their morale down to a peg to the point where they would never give me a good spar because they were just worried about me beating the shit out of them all the time. 0.97

01:42:53.000 And that's no way to train.

01:42:54.000 It didn't better me.

01:42:56.000 It was just me being so fed up with my spot in the sport that sparring was the only thing that would hold my attention.

01:43:04.000 And then I just became a bully. 0.85

01:43:06.000 Even these people were my friends and I don't have a bully personality, but it would just be like, okay, Well, we're sparring today and I'm gonna win this sparring session and then like that's what I'm trying to do and I'm trying to beat you up and like I would do it and these guys you know like they were afraid and like I would watch the anxiety just like billow off of them like smoke before every fucking training session they'd be like Oh man, like I gotta go in there and spar with him now.

01:43:32.000 Did you experience that, sparring with any people?

01:43:35.000 That same sort of anxiety so you could see it in yourself?

01:43:37.000 For sure, for sure.

01:43:38.000 Yeah, like I experienced that while I was at Coutures.

01:43:40.000 Even with the guys who I didn't feel were at a higher level, but like it was just every day.

01:43:46.000 Was war.

01:43:46.000 Every day was war.

01:43:48.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:48.000 I would go in there and it would be daunting.

01:43:53.000 It would be like, okay, I'm exhausted.

01:43:56.000 I just did a ridiculous amount of cardio and weight training this morning.

01:44:02.000 It's 116, 17 degrees outside.

01:44:06.000 I've got to go back in.

01:44:08.000 Once I go in, I'm going to warm up.

01:44:11.000 Nobody's really going to talk to each other.

01:44:12.000 Nobody's going to discuss anything.

01:44:14.000 We're all going to try...

01:44:16.000 To hit each other while not getting hit.

01:44:18.000 And day in and day out, I started to loathe competition.

01:44:23.000 Just the idea of competition bothered me.

01:44:25.000 When I'd come home, I would not want to play chess with somebody.

01:44:29.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:29.000 The idea of trying to beat somebody or best someone in a contest Overdone.

01:44:36.000 It made me feel sick.

01:44:38.000 And that's why it sucked so bad because then I would fight and win or lose, after the fight I'd be like, I don't want to have anything to do with fighting.

01:44:47.000 And then people would be like, hey, did you see the fights?

01:44:49.000 I don't want to think about fighting.

01:44:50.000 And then I became all disgruntled and negative about it. 1.00

01:44:53.000 I don't watch that shit. 1.00

01:44:55.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:44:56.000 That's who I was.

01:44:58.000 And it was like, well, there's this ironic thing.

01:45:00.000 You've got this professional fighter and he doesn't even watch it and he doesn't like it and everything.

01:45:04.000 And it was just me trying to deal with my personal life and my career at the same time.

01:45:14.000 I'm glad I had the experience.

01:45:17.000 What do you think of when you see a guy like Brock Lesnar jump in?

01:45:20.000 A guy who clearly is a freak athlete, but clearly also has had a very limited amount of striking and doesn't feel comfortable on his feet. 0.88

01:45:31.000 And then all of a sudden he's fighting fucking Cain Velasquez and Shane Carwin. 0.87

01:45:36.000 He's in the big leagues right away. 0.96

01:45:38.000 Randy Couture and what was that, his third professional fight?

01:45:41.000 I try to look at things really objectively. 0.99

01:45:44.000 There's one way to look at that, which is What the fuck? 0.99

01:45:48.000 This guy doesn't belong here. 0.99

01:45:50.000 He didn't pay his dues. 1.00

01:45:52.000 He's got mad balls, though. 1.00

01:45:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:45:54.000 That guy has mad balls. 0.99

01:45:55.000 Right, right. 0.99

01:45:55.000 And that's one way to look at it. 0.99

01:45:57.000 But I really don't look at it that way.

01:45:58.000 Even the fighters that I don't like, personally, that are marquee fighters that make a lot of money in the sport, I'm always happy to see anyone making money in the sport.

01:46:10.000 Well, this guy came from pro wrestling.

01:46:12.000 He was already making millions of dollars.

01:46:14.000 But you've got to expect that, especially with the heavyweights.

01:46:17.000 You've got to expect guys like that to just come in every now and then.

01:46:21.000 And I think that we're going to see a lot less of it as the sport progresses and as it becomes this deal where new guys are coming up.

01:46:29.000 People are becoming amazing fighters at the age of 16, 17 now.

01:46:33.000 By the time they're in their 20s, they're ready to go.

01:46:36.000 We're seeing less and less of that sort of thing.

01:46:38.000 So it was like, you know what?

01:46:40.000 Let him eat his cake and if it makes him sick, then so be it.

01:46:44.000 That's what happened.

01:46:46.000 Funny cake and eat it too metaphor there.

01:46:48.000 Let him eat his cake and if it makes him sick, then so be it.

01:46:52.000 And then it's, you know, seeing how you're so careful about your diet.

01:46:54.000 It's very funny.

01:46:56.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

01:46:57.000 I feel like he's one of those guys that epitomizes that old joke about the young bull seeing the cows saying, hey, let's run down there and fuck a cow. 1.00

01:47:07.000 And the bull says, let's walk down there and fuck them all. 1.00

01:47:10.000 That's right. 1.00

01:47:11.000 What movie is that from?

01:47:12.000 I don't think it's a movie.

01:47:13.000 I think it's an old joke.

01:47:14.000 Yeah, it is an old joke.

01:47:15.000 Is it from a movie?

01:47:17.000 There was a movie, yeah.

01:47:20.000 I'm losing it.

01:47:21.000 I don't remember it.

01:47:22.000 But it's a super old joke.

01:47:23.000 But the idea that they would take him and throw him in there in his second pro fight against a guy like Mir. 0.99

01:47:30.000 They're like, you're crazy.

01:47:31.000 He might have won if Mazzagotti didn't stop because he was punching him in the back of the head. 0.96

01:47:36.000 He might have won that fight on a TKO right there.

01:47:38.000 But it's still not worth it.

01:47:40.000 He doesn't understand the submissions enough.

01:47:42.000 I know, I know.

01:47:42.000 Why do that when you got a freak?

01:47:45.000 Right.

01:47:45.000 When you got a guy, you know, he needed someone who would listen to him and say, listen, man, we do this right, and you're the greatest of all time.

01:47:52.000 You know, if you really want to do this, you really want to do this, because if you don't really want to do this, you just want to get paid, you can just jump in there and see what you can do right now.

01:47:59.000 But you look at a guy like that, you're like, obviously that guy has some freak physical abilities.

01:48:04.000 You ever see a video of him walking around in his hands?

01:48:07.000 Yeah.

01:48:07.000 No.

01:48:08.000 Walks around his hands, you know, can run a ridiculous fucking 40-yard sprint. 1.00

01:48:13.000 He can leap through the fucking air. 1.00

01:48:14.000 He's a freak. 1.00

01:48:15.000 Yeah.

01:48:16.000 No, I think, like, he was one of the few people who has the power to pull that card of the fast track, and he did.

01:48:23.000 Yeah.

01:48:24.000 And with a little bit of luck and a lot of ability, he was actually able to win fights.

01:48:30.000 And as soon as you win a couple fights in a row, especially against guys like Karwin and Mir and Couture, it's like, oh wow, well... 0.93

01:48:39.000 You know, I see holes in his game, but holy shit, he's winning and he's beating great fighters. 0.68

01:48:45.000 He's the man, you know, and that's all it takes in this sport. 0.99

01:48:47.000 Yeah, but when he fought Alistair, and he fought Alistair Overeem after having stomach surgery, he had 12 inches removed from his colon, and then he fought one of the scariest fucking strikers to ever compete in MMA, and got kicked repeatedly in the body. 0.91

01:49:03.000 I mean, you gotta go, who's talking? 0.61

01:49:05.000 Is someone talking to you?

01:49:07.000 Is someone managing you?

01:49:08.000 Because what you guys got here is the craziest...

01:49:10.000 Money is managing him.

01:49:11.000 Yeah, but that's the wrong way to look at it.

01:49:13.000 You got the craziest goose that laid the golden egg ever.

01:49:15.000 You know, a Brock Lesnar career could be an enormous, enormous career.

01:49:19.000 The build-up to him actually challenging for the heavyweight title could be him fighting competitor after competitor over and over and over again.

01:49:25.000 I don't know that he would have wanted to do it that way, though.

01:49:27.000 Yeah, I bet he wouldn't.

01:49:28.000 I think he just wanted a fast track to it, and he's one of the few guys who had the power to pull that card.

01:49:32.000 And he probably thought he could beat all those guys. 0.97

01:49:34.000 He needed someone to look at him and say, just listen, man, you need to watch some Alistair Overeem kickboxing bouts and understand what the fuck is going on here. 0.97

01:49:43.000 Because this isn't as simple as you throw a punch and then he throws a punch. 1.00

01:49:47.000 Every time you're punching, he's stepping, he's measuring you, he's going to step twice and then kick your fucking legs out. 0.99

01:49:54.000 And by the way, if he hits you once, your leg's not the same ever again. 0.99

01:49:58.000 That leg's done.

01:49:59.000 That guy.

01:50:00.000 Have you ever seen the Brett Rogers fight?

01:50:02.000 Yes.

01:50:03.000 Jesus. 1.00

01:50:04.000 He hit Brett Rogers with this fucking thigh kick. 1.00

01:50:07.000 He slams that shit into Brett Rogers' thigh, and you see a look on Brett Rogers' face like, holy shit, what have I gotten myself into? 1.00

01:50:17.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:50:17.000 Because it was just step, step, wham! 1.00

01:50:19.000 And it was like, oh no, more of these are coming?

01:50:21.000 Like, that was too quick.

01:50:23.000 That was too confident.

01:50:24.000 Overeem is like an experiment, you know?

01:50:27.000 Yeah.

01:50:27.000 He's turned himself into quite a dangerous man.

01:50:31.000 Yeah, he's a weird guy, right?

01:50:32.000 What a trippy career.

01:50:34.000 The guy goes from being a skinny 205-er who keeps gassing out.

01:50:38.000 What do you think?

01:50:39.000 Do you think it's all horse meat?

01:50:41.000 I don't know.

01:50:42.000 Hey, listen, man.

01:50:43.000 I know when I take my Advil, lots of times there's just testosterone pills mixed in with it.

01:50:50.000 And I'm just like...

01:50:51.000 Oops, and all of a sudden my testosterone levels are really high.

01:50:54.000 Lucky for me, they just haven't tested me yet.

01:50:56.000 Is it Tylenol they inject into you?

01:51:00.000 That was what this doctor did.

01:51:02.000 Apparently this doctor is fairly sketchy. 1.00

01:51:06.000 Look, I don't care how dumb you are as a fighter. 1.00

01:51:10.000 I'm tired of this bullshit, naive act that these fighters pull. 1.00

01:51:14.000 Well, I was taking this supplement, and this doctor told me to tell this supplement, or it was an over-the-counter supplement. 1.00

01:51:20.000 It's like, no, shut up. 0.99

01:51:21.000 Just fucking admit that you're doing steroids. 1.00

01:51:23.000 But the track record is that a lot of these guys have learned to just deny, deny, deny it, and then if they deny it... 0.99

01:51:31.000 I mean, I've watched guys.

01:51:32.000 I'm not going to name any names, but there are guys that I train with That would be like, I've never done steroids before, ever.

01:51:40.000 I don't know what they're talking about.

01:51:42.000 There was one guy in particular, and everyone knows that he's on steroids.

01:51:46.000 He's a great guy, but everyone knows he's on steroids.

01:51:50.000 The mother of my child, who I was with at the time, is a massage therapist for athletes.

01:51:56.000 And she went over to his house and she came back and she's like, how come he has in his house in the fridge all these vials and syringes and these bottles that have pictures of horses on it and stuff?

01:52:09.000 And I'm like, why do you think?

01:52:11.000 And he's like, yeah, but he said that he never did that before.

01:52:13.000 It's like, these guys would lie to their own mother about it.

01:52:16.000 They would lie on their deathbed about it.

01:52:19.000 I don't know.

01:52:19.000 It's just like this...

01:52:22.000 Shutting off the brain thing.

01:52:23.000 It's like, just admit that you did it.

01:52:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:52:26.000 That goes back to what I was talking about before, about this being an honest, authentic event.

01:52:33.000 This is why I do it.

01:52:34.000 You can't make anything up.

01:52:36.000 This is not a movie where you had 50 takes to get the scene right.

01:52:42.000 This is a one-time thing.

01:52:44.000 You're being honest with yourself.

01:52:46.000 All the training, everything you do culminates into this.

01:52:49.000 Why do you want to, like, be a fake and a liar outside in other ways?

01:52:54.000 And if you do, then that's your prerogative.

01:52:56.000 But it's like, man, like, I could never live with myself, like, going around telling people, like...

01:53:02.000 That I didn't do something like that.

01:53:05.000 It's like, you guys know what doctors are giving you.

01:53:07.000 What percentage of guys do you think are using performance enhancing stuff that's illegal?

01:53:12.000 Because for sure there have been a bunch, I mean, just one thing to clarify, there have been a bunch of companies who have been busted.

01:53:20.000 For putting stuff into their supplements, just regular shit that you buy at GNC, that contains illegal compounds and stuff that will test you positive for steroids.

01:53:28.000 And that's how they get results. 0.94

01:53:30.000 What they're doing, they're getting results by essentially selling you steroids, just not telling you in the list of ingredients that it's a steroid.

01:53:38.000 People take it, it works.

01:53:39.000 I mean, there's been a series of different things that have been pulled from the shelves and have proved.

01:53:44.000 That Victor Conte guy has talked pretty extensively about that.

01:53:48.000 About as big of an expert on the subject as you can get.

01:53:50.000 He's a former head of BALCO, which is a company that created a designer steroid to mask from the test.

01:53:58.000 So in his opinion, there's a lot of those false positives.

01:54:02.000 But outside of that, what percentage of guys are using?

01:54:05.000 Okay, this may be a shot in the dark, but I have a lot of access.

01:54:11.000 I mean, I know all these people, and I know of them, and I train with them, and I deal with them.

01:54:15.000 I would say...

01:54:17.000 At least 60% are on them all the time and I'd say up to 85 or 90% total have at least done them at some point or tried them.

01:54:29.000 How are they on them all the time and then they pass tests?

01:54:32.000 Well, these guys cycle the stuff.

01:54:35.000 They take it and then they know How long it's going to take for it to get out of their body.

01:54:42.000 And when I said that 60% and 90% thing that I just thought of in my head, which is my estimation, I'm also talking about HGH, human growth hormone, which isn't something that is tested for right now just because it's hard to test for it and it's very expensive to test for it and the commission is not going to pay that kind of money.

01:55:02.000 And it's still very random, you know what I mean?

01:55:04.000 I wish they would just test everybody.

01:55:08.000 Instead of doing this random thing where, hey, you might get picked, and you may have to do the piss test.

01:55:14.000 Make it a requirement for...

01:55:17.000 We all have to submit physicals and blood work before every fight.

01:55:22.000 Before every fight, we have to do that.

01:55:25.000 Once a year we have to do ophthalmological exams, eye exams, dilated eye exams.

01:55:33.000 So why don't we have, instead of just HIV and hepatitis, why don't we have anabolic steroids?

01:55:42.000 Why don't we do tests for the levels and all that stuff every time?

01:55:45.000 Why?

01:55:46.000 It's because it's too expensive and people are pinching pennies.

01:55:49.000 And that's what the commission's doing.

01:55:52.000 That's the way I look at it.

01:55:53.000 And it's like, test everybody, and then we will have, you can either sink or swim.

01:55:58.000 You can keep taking the stuff, and it can be a mental crutch for you, and you can feel like, oh, I can't perform anymore because I don't have my steroids.

01:56:07.000 It's been helping me win forever.

01:56:09.000 Or, you know, you can learn to live without it, like I do and like a few people do, and it's just like, train without it.

01:56:16.000 You don't need it.

01:56:16.000 I don't want to look back on my career and be like, well, I did some great stuff, but I did that great stuff when I was taking all these steroids.

01:56:25.000 And, you know, while I was taking the steroids, then...

01:56:28.000 That's what helped me, and it wasn't really all me.

01:56:32.000 I don't want anyone's help.

01:56:33.000 This is about the individual, the martial artist.

01:56:36.000 This is about their journey, trying to better themselves in the art with their technique and their training, and it's a journey.

01:56:46.000 It's like, why do you want to...

01:56:48.000 You know, screw that up.

01:56:50.000 You have a very noble point of view on this, but how many people share it?

01:56:54.000 How many guys you know?

01:56:55.000 I know there's guys like John Fitch.

01:56:57.000 I've had this conversation with John.

01:56:59.000 He shares that exact same point of view.

01:57:01.000 And he very specifically said to me that he would never want to think that he couldn't have made it without, you know, taking something.

01:57:09.000 Sure, sure.

01:57:10.000 Even though he knows that it would make him a faster athlete, it would make him better, it would make him stronger, he doesn't ever want to think that there's no way he could have made it without this stuff.

01:57:18.000 How many other guys feel that way?

01:57:19.000 I don't know that very many of them do at all.

01:57:22.000 That's an astounding number that you gave me.

01:57:25.000 That's my honest estimation.

01:57:28.000 Listen, no one is more qualified to give that estimation than you or a guy like you.

01:57:35.000 Thank you.

01:57:35.000 And the thing is, years and years of training with different people and everything, and then whispers start to come out.

01:57:42.000 Oh yeah, he's on this, he's on this.

01:57:44.000 You hear things.

01:57:44.000 I never go public with it.

01:57:46.000 I usually don't talk to other people about it.

01:57:48.000 I certainly don't name names.

01:57:49.000 It's their prerogative.

01:57:52.000 They can play with it if they want.

01:57:54.000 But the more and more I stay in this sport, the more and more I see, oh wow, I thought that guy was clean.

01:58:01.000 I thought he wouldn't do that.

01:58:02.000 The thing with me was I had a certain amount of personal principles that I had when I came into this.

01:58:08.000 And I was just like...

01:58:09.000 I don't want to do that.

01:58:12.000 I just don't want that to be a part of my personal legacy, even if no one ever knew about it.

01:58:17.000 I believe you.

01:58:18.000 I know you.

01:58:19.000 I believe you.

01:58:20.000 What you're saying is absolutely true.

01:58:21.000 But do you know how few people are so, especially few people who aren't wealthy, they can't retire and live the rest of their life.

01:58:29.000 You're so dedicated to those principles.

01:58:32.000 It's such a rigid foundation of your character.

01:58:37.000 How did that set in with your life?

01:58:39.000 When did that become you?

01:58:41.000 I don't know.

01:58:43.000 Because this martial arts attitude that you have, it's not bravado.

01:58:46.000 I know you. 0.99

01:58:46.000 It's not like, I don't need no bullshit. 0.99

01:58:49.000 I'm going to kick everybody's ass anyway. 1.00

01:58:50.000 It is more of a, you know, you are doing it all the correct way in your eyes. 1.00

01:58:57.000 Yeah, that's why I chose this.

01:59:00.000 That's why I'm not working for a corporation in a cubicle or something like that.

01:59:05.000 When I had those types of jobs, I felt horrible about myself and about my life.

01:59:11.000 And when I finally decided to try to take MMA... For what it was and dive myself into it 100% and dedicate myself to it, I was like, I had nothing to lose.

01:59:22.000 And I'm like, this is a perfect path because I'm either going to make it or I'm going to break myself doing it.

01:59:29.000 I mean, I don't know what goes through these guys' minds.

01:59:33.000 The idea of winning is too enticing.

01:59:36.000 The idea of having an edge.

01:59:39.000 And I watch guys, and I know people who became so addicted to that stuff that when they don't have it, then they have this insecurity in the back of their mind, in their subconscious, and they don't think that they can actually pull off what they did when they were on...

01:59:56.000 What did you think of when you saw the Pride era where it was just super clear that no one was tested for nothing?

02:00:03.000 In fact, I have friends who fought in Japan who were told to take steroids.

02:00:09.000 Sure, sure, sure.

02:00:10.000 Almost all those guys were. 0.97

02:00:14.000 While it was happening, I was just in limbo because I was trying to work my way up in the lightweight division and small shows where there's all these scumbag promoters that are just trying to screw you over.

02:00:26.000 And I was like, you know, seeing the lightweight division be completely dissolved for a few years.

02:00:33.000 And I was just like, wow, like the closest guy to my weight that's fighting in any kind of show that's getting paid more than $10,000 ever is like, you know, is like High and Gracie versus that Ichigawa or whatever. 0.91

02:00:49.000 I'm like looking at guys that walk around at like 190 pounds and like that's You know, so it just, it's, I guess what I'm saying is it seems so otherworldly to me that, I mean, it was MMA and I was interested in it, but it was just like, it didn't apply to me.

02:01:06.000 I was just like, well, that will never be me.

02:01:08.000 Even if I did, like, throw my principles out the window and just decide to take a bunch of steroids, it'd still be lightweight in frame.

02:01:16.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:17.000 Like, that would be silly. 0.89

02:01:19.000 Like, I would look like that.

02:01:21.000 Remember that guy, Jimmy Ambrys?

02:01:22.000 You ever heard of him?

02:01:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:01:24.000 It looked like that.

02:01:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:25.000 Like, that's the only way I could get up to heavyweight.

02:01:28.000 That guy was 300 pounds and like 5'6".

02:01:31.000 I remember all these...

02:01:32.000 Powerful dude.

02:01:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:01:33.000 He was.

02:01:33.000 He wasn't 5'6".

02:01:34.000 He's taller than me, I'm sure.

02:01:35.000 I'm only 5'8".

02:01:36.000 How tall is he?

02:01:37.000 I think he was like 5'8".

02:01:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:01:39.000 And he's like 300 pounds of solid muscle.

02:01:41.000 And huge lats, and he could never put his elbows in.

02:01:45.000 I'm learning a lot about technique, and it's funny.

02:01:49.000 A lot of people scoff at this because they're like, oh, you've been doing this for 10 years, and you're learning now?

02:01:54.000 Good for you.

02:01:55.000 It's kind of weird that you're learning.

02:01:58.000 You can never master all of this, but I'm really understanding that Elbows in and bringing everything into the core and almost like 99% of all the techniques you do is very important.

02:02:11.000 And that guy literally could not do it because he's in constant bench press mode.

02:02:18.000 He's ready to bench at any time.

02:02:20.000 You know what I mean?

02:02:21.000 Just the way he walks.

02:02:22.000 But if that guy got on top of you, what a nightmare.

02:02:25.000 Yeah.

02:02:25.000 Big strong guy like that gets on top of you.

02:02:28.000 Sure.

02:02:29.000 I think he's a black belt in jujitsu.

02:02:31.000 I think he's a black belt under Carlson Gracie, isn't he?

02:02:33.000 Oh, wow.

02:02:34.000 I don't know.

02:02:36.000 Not to talk bad about the guy, but that's not what his frame was designed for.

02:02:39.000 I know what you're saying.

02:02:41.000 I've gone off on a long tangent, but what I want to say is that watching that stuff with pride, my feelings were just like...

02:02:49.000 Hopefully the sport will change, and the UFC did change it.

02:02:52.000 They brought in the lightweights, and I was able to compete with guys my size.

02:02:59.000 Yeah, for folks who don't know, Mac fought at 170 on The Ultimate Fighter. 0.94

02:03:04.000 And the dude that you fought in the finals, Tommy, was a big fucking 170. Tommy Spear's a big fella. 0.94

02:03:11.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:03:12.000 He was big, yeah.

02:03:14.000 But I knew just from training with him, he was very green, you know what I mean?

02:03:18.000 Yeah.

02:03:19.000 And I don't mean that in the eco-green sense.

02:03:23.000 In fact, he's the antithesis of that.

02:03:26.000 Is he?

02:03:26.000 Yeah.

02:03:27.000 Oh, I mean, he's a dairy farmer, you know what I mean?

02:03:29.000 That's what he did.

02:03:31.000 The guy had never, ever eaten a pineapple in his life He had never eaten a mushroom in his life.

02:03:38.000 What?

02:03:38.000 He didn't know what a mango was.

02:03:41.000 And he didn't know what an avocado was. 0.99

02:03:43.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:03:44.000 And this guy was eating bacon out of the package the way you'd eat lunch meat. 0.99

02:03:50.000 And we were like, yo, Tommy.

02:03:53.000 You could die from that, dude. 0.92

02:03:55.000 Yeah, you could die from that. 0.99

02:03:55.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:03:56.000 And he's just like, oh, it isn't.

02:03:58.000 I'm like, no, it's not pre-cooked.

02:04:00.000 This isn't pre-cooked.

02:04:01.000 And he's like, oh.

02:04:02.000 I'm like, dude, it's raw fat.

02:04:04.000 He didn't know?

02:04:04.000 That's just the way he...

02:04:06.000 Who knows?

02:04:07.000 I mean, this is a guy whose only vegetable experience is like corn on a plate or maybe like peas or something like that once a year or something like that.

02:04:16.000 Frozen peas?

02:04:16.000 Yeah.

02:04:17.000 Frozen peas, Tommy!

02:04:19.000 What's that?

02:04:20.000 Yeah, he was a big, big dude.

02:04:23.000 And yeah, I mean, I just knew, though, that he was very young.

02:04:27.000 And his experience and his understanding.

02:04:30.000 You're a vegan.

02:04:31.000 Did they hook your diet up while you're in the house?

02:04:34.000 The one good thing, even though with all the negatives about being there and the no contact to or from the outside world and no freedom, the one good thing that they have is you can, food-wise, you can order pretty much whatever you want.

02:04:47.000 You can tell them whatever you want.

02:04:48.000 As long as it's at Whole Foods or at the regular grocery store, they'll go and get it for you as long as it's within reason.

02:04:56.000 So guys were even ordering the most expensive stuff they could get. 0.96

02:05:01.000 They want flounder from the deli and filet mignon and all this shit. 0.69

02:05:07.000 Yeah, I was able to keep my diet on point. 0.98

02:05:11.000 And that was one of the things I established from the beginning.

02:05:13.000 I was worried about the idea of guys being jokesters and messing with somebody's food.

02:05:19.000 And from the very beginning, I just gave these guys that look.

02:05:24.000 When I look at them, like... 0.99

02:05:26.000 You're not going to fuck around with me. 1.00

02:05:27.000 I'm not going to be like the butt of your jokes. 1.00

02:05:29.000 You aren't going to like, you know what I mean, pee in my bed. 1.00

02:05:32.000 Don't cum in my lettuce. 1.00

02:05:33.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:05:34.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:05:35.000 That's not happening.

02:05:36.000 You know what I mean?

02:05:36.000 Did someone do something like that?

02:05:38.000 Did someone come in someone's food?

02:05:40.000 Something like that?

02:05:41.000 Someone, I think...

02:05:42.000 I don't watch that show.

02:05:43.000 Sushi?

02:05:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:44.000 I don't watch that show.

02:05:45.000 I've got better stuff to do.

02:05:47.000 No, but one of those seasons, the season that Ryan Bader and, what's that kid, Felipe Nover, the season that they were on, we had two different weight classes, and someone peed in Ryan Bader and Felipe Nover's fruit or something like that.

02:06:09.000 They peed all in it.

02:06:10.000 And those guys just ate it, and they were cool with it, and they didn't even think anything of it.

02:06:14.000 And then when they heard that it had...

02:06:16.000 had been peed all over it then they started feeling sick and were like trying to force themselves to throw up and stuff but yeah nobody messed with my stuff the only thing that happened was guys on my team like guys that I was supposed to be friends with were like eating my food and it was like look you guys can eat whatever you want you can order the same stuff that I order or you But my diet is very specialized, so don't take my stuff like it's public domain.

02:06:46.000 So I started writing my name.

02:06:48.000 They didn't show it on the show, but me and this other guy named Billy that was on my team grabbed this small refrigerator that was in the back.

02:06:58.000 You know, near the grill outside on an outlet and like brought it into the room and it was like my personal like dorm refrigerator.

02:07:08.000 And I kept all my food in there.

02:07:10.000 And so yeah, nobody messed with it or did anything with it.

02:07:13.000 It's a shitty thing to have to think about though.

02:07:15.000 I know, I know. 0.82

02:07:16.000 Yeah, it was hard, man.

02:07:18.000 It was hard.

02:07:19.000 I don't know how I got through it, but I did.

02:07:22.000 I just kept my eyes on the prize.

02:07:24.000 When did you switch your diet over to vegan?

02:07:28.000 2004, yeah.

02:07:29.000 What was it like before that and what was your diet?

02:07:32.000 Up until that point, okay, let's see.

02:07:34.000 When I was like 16 or 17, I was kind of like, I'm done with red meat and pork.

02:07:40.000 I just, like, for health reasons and just, I don't know, like my own half-assed Moral ethical reasons.

02:07:47.000 I was like, I just don't want to mess with red meat and pork.

02:07:50.000 It's bad for you.

02:07:52.000 I don't agree with it right now.

02:07:54.000 So I stopped that.

02:07:55.000 And then when I was about 19 or so, I realized that all these ear infections and sinus infections that I've been having for years and years Like, seriously bad ear infections.

02:08:06.000 Like, I would get them at least twice a year to the point where there would be so much pressure that my eardrum would inevitably puncture.

02:08:15.000 And it was the worst pain.

02:08:17.000 The worst pain that you could think of.

02:08:19.000 I mean, I've broken my femur before.

02:08:21.000 I've had all kinds of, like, bad physical pain.

02:08:24.000 Nothing is as bad as a few of those ear infections.

02:08:28.000 And those ear infections...

02:08:30.000 The pressure on the brain, too, you can almost feel it, too.

02:08:33.000 It's incredible, and it's very sensitive in there.

02:08:36.000 And then I would get vertigo for months afterwards.

02:08:38.000 And I don't know if you know what vertigo is like, but it's absolutely miserable.

02:08:43.000 Everything is spinning all the time.

02:08:46.000 And you try to focus on different spots in the room, like the corner of a door or anything.

02:08:55.000 Just to force your brain to remind your body that you're not actually spinning, but you can't stop your eyes from doing that.

02:09:03.000 If I were to spin around and around in a circle, you know how your eyes go like this and dart back and forth to try to catch up?

02:09:09.000 It's just like an involuntary reaction?

02:09:11.000 Well, your eyes are doing that.

02:09:12.000 I would even close my eyes and try to put my fingers on my eyes and they'd just be darting back and forth because your equilibrium is so messed up.

02:09:20.000 It is okay.

02:09:21.000 You try to go walking around, you still feel like you're in an episode of Cops, like everything's sort of bouncing around.

02:09:27.000 You completely feel detached.

02:09:29.000 It feels awful.

02:09:30.000 And so I dealt with all that, and what I'm getting to with that is that And this is a personal thing.

02:09:37.000 This is a personal allergy.

02:09:39.000 Not everybody has this.

02:09:40.000 Not everybody has to quit dairy because of this.

02:09:42.000 But dairy directly affects a lot of people in the sinuses, the ear, nose, and throat.

02:09:49.000 That's why if you drink a glass of milk, there's a lot of phlegm.

02:09:54.000 Well, I developed a severe allergy to it.

02:09:57.000 It was probably due to the fact that I was drinking milk constantly growing up. 1.00

02:10:01.000 My mom thought that she believed the bullshit... 1.00

02:10:06.000 Like, you know, grow big with milk, you know, like osteoporosis, strong bones, and all this crap. 0.99

02:10:11.000 And I was drinking a ton of milk growing up, and I think that contributed to my allergy, possibly.

02:10:17.000 But anyway, I tried all sorts of stuff, and I finally came to the realization after reading some stuff from Andrew Weil, who's the dude with the beard, not homeopathic necessarily, but like holistic medicine guy.

02:10:32.000 And he was like, if you have problems with your sinuses or ear infections, eliminate milk and all dairy products.

02:10:37.000 I did, and I haven't had a single problem with ear infections since then.

02:10:41.000 So that was when I was about 19. So I spent 10 minutes off on a tangent.

02:10:46.000 You asked me what my diet was like before 2004 when I went vegan.

02:10:50.000 The only thing that separated me from having a vegan diet...

02:10:54.000 I was chicken and fish and the reason why I was eating and maybe turkey you know like poultry and fish and the reason why I was eating that stuff is because I believed what everybody had said beforehand that you need some some type of animal protein in your diet and also like out I like chicken you know I mean I like the salty greasy stuff I like the flavor you know I mean it's it was it was cool even like regular grilled chicken breast or whatever you put seasoning on it I was like well this is what I'm supposed to eat and so I would eat that stuff and I I was,

02:11:25.000 you know, thought to myself, okay, one day when I'm done trying to be an athlete and when I don't need this animal protein that everybody says I need, I will stop eating that and I'll have a vegan diet.

02:11:38.000 And what I told myself was I will not call it vegan.

02:11:41.000 I will just live like that.

02:11:43.000 I will not wear it on my sleeve.

02:11:45.000 I won't.

02:11:46.000 Become part of some cult.

02:11:48.000 I will just do it because I feel that it's the right thing to do as a consumer in this day and age and I want to I want to address that too it's I Don't think I think we're made we're omnivores.

02:12:02.000 We're made to be able to either eat meat or Or vegetables, you know, and plants, nuts, and everything, or a combination of both.

02:12:10.000 And, you know, depending on where people lived and, like, what part of the world they lived and what they had access to and what they could hunt or not be able to hunt for, they would eat a combination of both or just one or the other.

02:12:21.000 And this is...

02:12:23.000 And we have the ability to do either.

02:12:26.000 We live in a day and age now, though, where...

02:12:30.000 We're not the hunter-gatherer anymore.

02:12:33.000 If I lived back in the day, or whatever, some hypothetical situation hundreds and hundreds or thousands of years ago, if that's what I had to eat, that's what I would eat.

02:12:43.000 I have compassion for animals and all living things, so I would feel bad about it, but I would respect what I killed, much like I feel my soul tells me, much like the way that a lot of Native American tribes did, They, like, revered the animal. 0.96

02:13:00.000 They killed it.

02:13:01.000 They ate it.

02:13:01.000 They used everything.

02:13:03.000 They didn't waste it.

02:13:04.000 And they respected what they did.

02:13:07.000 And it wasn't like, yes, like, I want to hurt this thing.

02:13:09.000 It was like, this is our food. 0.97

02:13:10.000 We have to kill it for food. 0.69

02:13:12.000 That's different than this day and age where you have...

02:13:17.000 Mass amounts of suffering even in like lots of people are vegetarians that eat milk and eggs and things like that it's like the the if you care about the animals at all the moral issue is still the same these animals are living in horrible situations and they're suffering like whether or not you like animals or think that they have like the same you know abilities to reason or you know have any emotions or anything like that the one thing is is true and They feel pain. 0.95

02:13:46.000 And they can feel pain and they live in the worst, most fucked up situation.

02:13:51.000 So I was just like, look, I'm a consumer. 0.98

02:13:53.000 I don't want to be.

02:13:54.000 If I could live exactly how I'd be, I'd be like living off the land somewhere.

02:13:59.000 But that's just like a pipe dream.

02:14:02.000 I'm a consumer.

02:14:04.000 I buy stuff.

02:14:06.000 If I'm going to buy stuff and I'm going to contribute directly to things that I buy, I don't want to contribute to this industry.

02:14:15.000 It's just wrong for me.

02:14:17.000 And I don't want to tell other people what to do or force it down their throats.

02:14:20.000 And that becomes religion.

02:14:22.000 Yeah, you never approach it that way, which is, I respect that.

02:14:25.000 I've had many conversations with vegans that were enlightening and equally as many that are annoying.

02:14:30.000 Sure, sure.

02:14:31.000 I think we all have.

02:14:32.000 And it becomes one of those things where they're excited to let you know that they're a vegan.

02:14:37.000 It's like a thing that they push. 1.00

02:14:39.000 It's all over their stupid Twitter. 1.00

02:14:41.000 It's a constant... 0.98

02:14:43.000 I battle with that a lot because a lot of the people who follow me through social media, I'm not on Facebook, by the way, but I'm on Twitter, but a lot of people that follow me and that are fans of mine and hold me in high regard, they're part of that I don't dismiss that scene, but like any scene, it tends to push people away.

02:15:07.000 A lot of these people are really passionate about what they believe, and they believe in animal rights, which I believe is a noble cause, and it's something that should be treated seriously, but they get so frustrated, and then they turn it into a them-against-us type of attitude, and they want to force it down people's throats, and they want to You know, it turns into like a religious type of thing and this type of thing where you're either with us or you're not.

02:15:34.000 And we're going to criticize people that don't.

02:15:37.000 It's like a lot of people aren't vegans because they just aren't educated.

02:15:42.000 They don't understand what's going on.

02:15:44.000 You end up putting more people under the defensive and pushing them away from the cause than you do educating people when you're like...

02:15:54.000 Oh, I'm part of some exclusive club and we've all got a name for it and you have to follow these exact rules. 0.97

02:16:01.000 And if you deviate from that, then you're disgusting. 0.99

02:16:04.000 And oh my god, meat is disgusting and everything. 0.98

02:16:06.000 It's like that whole thing.

02:16:09.000 It's like almost all of my friends eat meat.

02:16:12.000 You know what I mean?

02:16:13.000 I'm watching more and more people, but I never ever...

02:16:17.000 I want to make somebody feel defensive about what they do.

02:16:21.000 If they have questions, I answer them.

02:16:23.000 You know what I mean?

02:16:24.000 And I tell them why I'm doing it.

02:16:26.000 And a few of my close friends, after years and years, have just recently done the vegan thing and they're like, dude, how come you didn't like...

02:16:34.000 Like, kind of tell me about this more earlier.

02:16:37.000 And I'm like, because, like, you're either going to do it or you're not.

02:16:41.000 I don't want to, like, be the guy that forces people to do things or tries to, like, tell them, oh, you're wrong because you're doing that.

02:16:48.000 Most people are just victims of consumerism and they're victims of misinformation, like we all are in so many ways.

02:16:55.000 And the nutrition thing and, like, what's going on in the world with diet is no different.

02:17:00.000 And so it's like, why, you know...

02:17:03.000 Don't force people away with your cultish ways.

02:17:07.000 Educate people.

02:17:08.000 And if they don't come around, then they don't come around.

02:17:10.000 That's fine.

02:17:11.000 We're not trying to, like, change the world and create an army.

02:17:15.000 You're not trying to.

02:17:16.000 Yeah.

02:17:16.000 Some people are.

02:17:17.000 Some people, like, being a vegan becomes just like being a Mac user.

02:17:22.000 Right.

02:17:23.000 Why are you using Windows still?

02:17:24.000 Oh! 0.60

02:17:25.000 It's the team mentality.

02:17:26.000 You know what I mean?

02:17:28.000 And it's like they've picked a side.

02:17:30.000 I feel bad about criticizing it because a lot of these people that are involved with this are really good people and they're noble people that have taken that choice because they feel it's the right thing to do.

02:17:42.000 And I'm with them on that 100%.

02:17:45.000 But what's hurting it more than helping it is the attitude of it being It turns into this scene.

02:17:54.000 It's a moral high ground thing as well.

02:17:57.000 It's a chance for someone to say that they're better than you.

02:18:00.000 It gets real weird.

02:18:02.000 And so what happens?

02:18:03.000 People get defensive.

02:18:05.000 Lead by example.

02:18:06.000 If you enjoy your life now because of it, people will be gravitated towards that idea.

02:18:11.000 They see success.

02:18:12.000 They want to imitate it.

02:18:13.000 That's the best way to get someone to change their diet. 0.54

02:18:16.000 That's the best way to get someone to change their life.

02:18:18.000 Lead by example. 1.00

02:18:19.000 But when you start being a sanctimonious douchebag, when you're talking about lettuce, you can go fuck yourself. 1.00

02:18:24.000 Right, right. 1.00

02:18:24.000 It puts people on the defensive. 1.00

02:18:27.000 Enough already.

02:18:28.000 You're annoying.

02:18:29.000 It's like anything else.

02:18:30.000 Yeah, so then they've created a divide.

02:18:33.000 And when you create that divide, the line becomes very...

02:18:37.000 Like, hard to cross again.

02:18:39.000 And people already stereotype me.

02:18:42.000 They're like, oh, as soon as they hear the word vegan attached to my name, they're like, oh, great. 0.88

02:18:47.000 Like, here's this douchebag, and he's just going to be talking about his diet all the time and telling me that I need to repent for my sins and everything. 0.76

02:18:54.000 Sag in his hipster jeans. 0.98

02:18:55.000 People don't understand.

02:18:57.000 I ate chicken and fish and meat products all through growing up and everything.

02:19:02.000 I'm just like everyone else.

02:19:04.000 I just said to myself, I feel that this is wrong.

02:19:07.000 I don't want to contribute directly to this anymore.

02:19:10.000 People love to argue about stuff.

02:19:12.000 They want to pull up hypocrisies.

02:19:14.000 You know, like, well, you know, I guess I probably, like, hit some bugs on the way here in my petroleum-powered car, and, like, you know, like, I've got, like a, you know, like, whatever.

02:19:26.000 I've bought strawberries that were organic from Chile the other day, and, like, all the, you know, like the economic issues that, or not economic, sorry, environmental issues that come up.

02:19:38.000 And it's like, yes, you can point out I live by the set of rules that I've picked because I feel that it's right.

02:19:47.000 I don't feel that I should be contributing as a consumer directly to these industries that cause nothing but suffering.

02:19:55.000 And that's my thing.

02:19:56.000 If somebody doesn't want to do it, they don't have to.

02:20:00.000 And we're still...

02:20:01.000 On the same ground, and I'm never going to shove it down anyone's throat.

02:20:05.000 No, you're not.

02:20:05.000 And it's one of those things where what you're showing is what I said earlier about you, about your unwillingness to take performance-enhancing drugs or to be a part of it.

02:20:16.000 You're doing it because of your principles.

02:20:17.000 Right, right.

02:20:18.000 Look, it would be a way better world if we all lived by a real set of principles.

02:20:22.000 And that, I think, is one of the underlooked things that martial arts, true martial arts, provide.

02:20:27.000 And I think that we should emphasize that.

02:20:31.000 As much as we emphasize competition success, we should emphasize the ability to enhance your development as a human being.

02:20:38.000 Because that's really what martial arts are spectacular for.

02:20:42.000 If you never get into a fight in your whole life, you develop skills through difficult work and through building your character and responding to pressure and stress.

02:20:52.000 And it makes you better at everything that you do.

02:20:54.000 Evolve.

02:20:55.000 Whatever that means to you.

02:20:56.000 But try to evolve.

02:20:58.000 Move forward.

02:21:00.000 Build off what you're doing.

02:21:02.000 We don't need to get on the steroid thing again, but I just want to say this is one thing that I want to touch on.

02:21:08.000 I've never done them, but the one time that I actually considered it, there was a point in my life that I actually was like, well, I just didn't know anyone.

02:21:16.000 I was like, well, at the time, I was like, if I had access to it, I might, I might go ahead and do something like that, just because I just need to like make money.

02:21:25.000 And that was me responding to the lowest point of my life.

02:21:30.000 That was the lowest point of my life, like, like, as far as depression goes in the sport and everything.

02:21:36.000 And I was almost willing to like, go ahead and entertain the idea.

02:21:40.000 And And I came to that through weakness.

02:21:42.000 And so all I'm saying is maybe, you know, if people are as great as they say they are, you don't need it.

02:21:49.000 And I really don't care if the other guys are doing it.

02:21:52.000 I don't care if the guy that I'm fighting is doing it, and he thinks it gives him an edge, and it may be giving him an edge.

02:21:58.000 I'm doing this for me.

02:21:59.000 I'm not doing it for my opponent, and I'm not doing it for the sport.

02:22:02.000 What do you think about the future of performance-enhancing trucks?

02:22:05.000 Because the real issue to me is not...

02:22:07.000 It's not just about things that you introduce to your body but rather what you do to change the way your body behaves and reacts when you talk about like gene therapy and when you talk about the improvements in our understanding of genetics and certain switches and different mechanisms inside the body that trigger Muscular development, recuperation, and all that stuff is going to eventually be manipulated.

02:22:30.000 What happens to mixed martial arts when that happens?

02:22:33.000 Well, people are sheep.

02:22:36.000 No, for the most part they really are.

02:22:39.000 And so whatever is established as the moral norm We'll be okay.

02:22:47.000 Right now, we're in a situation where everybody's mad.

02:22:50.000 Like, oh, Mark McGuire and mad at Barry Bonds and mad at these players for doing all this stuff.

02:22:55.000 stuff but if somehow they're able to legitimize a different type of of uh of performance enhancing uh you know scenario like like what you're talking about like gene therapy or or whatever like if if they're able to legitimize that socially like like on an ethical way then as long as the public thinks it's okay then everybody will start doing it i think you know what i mean it all depends on

02:23:22.000 And right now, the public, for the most part, seems like they feel like it's wrong and To go ahead and agree to not take steroids and then lie about it and then go and do it.

02:23:34.000 And I think that's a good way of thinking about it.

02:23:39.000 I think they also realize in some sports, no matter what, you're getting it.

02:23:43.000 Football's one of them.

02:23:43.000 them.

02:23:43.000 When you look at the size of those guys, you go, what is going on?

02:23:46.000 What has changed so radically that people are that enormous?

02:23:50.000 What's going on there?

02:23:51.000 Well, who knows?

02:23:53.000 Is it hormones in the meat?

02:23:55.000 What is it?

02:23:56.000 It seems like there's certain heights of size and strength that you can't reach without supplements.

02:24:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:24:04.000 To me, it's a weird thing because this is a mere blip in human development.

02:24:08.000 I mean, if you go back just a hundred years ago, there was nothing.

02:24:12.000 There was nothing.

02:24:13.000 There was nothing you could do.

02:24:14.000 You ate good food and that's it.

02:24:16.000 One hundred years is the tiniest amount of time you can even measure when you start talking about the universe.

02:24:22.000 One hundred years is a joke.

02:24:24.000 As far as change and the radical change in what we've been able to do and manipulate the human body, When you watch Ray Kurzweil, do you know his movie about the singularity?

02:24:37.000 What is Ray Kurzweil?

02:24:40.000 Transcendent Man.

02:24:41.000 And it's all about the technological singularity that avoided whether or not you want to avoid it.

02:24:46.000 There's people that are like, you know what?

02:24:47.000 I just read books.

02:24:48.000 I don't go on the internet.

02:24:49.000 I don't even have an email.

02:24:50.000 That's all good, but you're not going to stop it.

02:24:53.000 It's swarming around you, whether you accept it or not.

02:24:56.000 And I kind of have the feeling that that applies to all aspects of technology improvement and innovation, including the manipulation of the human body.

02:25:04.000 And it's going to be really strange when they start...

02:25:07.000 Figuring out a way to turn virtually every person you see into a Vitaly Klitschko, into a giant super athlete.

02:25:15.000 I mean, we're going to be able to do very strange things and manipulate the body in very weird ways in the future.

02:25:21.000 Yeah, if it's profitable.

02:25:23.000 You know what I mean?

02:25:25.000 That's all it comes down to.

02:25:26.000 If it can create entertainment for the people paying for it.

02:25:29.000 It also will change life.

02:25:31.000 As we know it, if the organic body ceases to become finite, if the organic body is a renewable thing that you can constantly replace limbs on and constantly fix organs, and literally we change the whole idea about having a lifespan.

02:25:48.000 I mean, it's not as simple as cheating in MMA. It's as simple as, like, we're going to transcend the boundaries of our biological nature.

02:25:55.000 And that's something where MMA is sort of caught up in the periphery of that, like the improvements that we've been able to do to sport science.

02:26:03.000 And, you know, I love that term, sport science.

02:26:06.000 I mean, it's basically just the body, right?

02:26:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:26:08.000 Science, biological science.

02:26:11.000 The improvements that we've made just in understanding diet, nutrition, supplementation, and training, all that is pretty substantial.

02:26:17.000 But it's nothing compared to what they're going to do once they introduce genetics, and all of a sudden you're a lion, you know?

02:26:23.000 I mean, we're going to have a weird world.

02:26:25.000 Yeah, that's interesting too, because evolution has happened a lot, I think, if I'm correct, through mutations that happen on a hormone level or a cellular level within people.

02:26:44.000 And if that mutation happens to be advantageous to have in the current environment, then that moves on.

02:26:54.000 Rather than the person adapting to the environment.

02:26:58.000 It's like, here's a chance.

02:27:00.000 Here's a mutation.

02:27:01.000 This is a little bit different.

02:27:03.000 And so we're at the point where we're actually able to manipulate that manually.

02:27:09.000 Or we're going to.

02:27:11.000 And that's just...

02:27:12.000 Fascinating.

02:27:13.000 Yeah, it's fascinating.

02:27:14.000 And as strange as it is, I don't feel like it's completely unnatural.

02:27:20.000 You know what I mean?

02:27:21.000 It is unnatural, like in a primal way, but I feel like that's just what we're kind of rolling into as a species.

02:27:31.000 Yeah.

02:27:31.000 I completely agree.

02:27:32.000 Everything's natural, even pollution.

02:27:34.000 Sure, sure.

02:27:35.000 It's a natural aspect of the ability to control their environment.

02:27:38.000 We're just displacing stuff.

02:27:39.000 Yeah, and it's also the lack of discipline.

02:27:41.000 The ability to have the ability to say, let's move this over there.

02:27:46.000 Without you ever having to figure out how to move this over there.

02:27:50.000 You're just a guy with a crane.

02:27:51.000 Let's dig a hole and throw it in there. 0.95

02:27:53.000 How can you dig that hole so efficiently with some brilliant person figured out how to make this monstrous machine that moves ground very easily?

02:28:00.000 And you come along with very little responsibility for that.

02:28:03.000 It's like winning the lottery.

02:28:05.000 All of a sudden you have this money and the money goes away.

02:28:07.000 You have power you haven't earned.

02:28:09.000 You haven't developed the character to control that.

02:28:12.000 It's a strange situation that we're in now with all this technology.

02:28:15.000 It's like...

02:28:16.000 How many people actually know how to engineer the iPhone?

02:28:21.000 Really, all these things that we're using, the knowledge of it is so specific that we don't know.

02:28:29.000 And that's why the software guy knows nothing about what the hardware guy knows and vice versa.

02:28:35.000 And lots of times, neither one of those guys can change a tire.

02:28:37.000 And they sure as hell can't identify what plants are poisonous and what plants are edible in the wild.

02:28:44.000 So it's like...

02:28:45.000 We're on a very strange path, and I don't want to necessarily judge it or criticize it as being completely negative and evil or wonderful and beautiful.

02:28:59.000 It just is what it is, and people are doing what they're doing.

02:29:04.000 I personally feel like more people should get in touch with the actual earth, which is, you know, we're products of the earth.

02:29:12.000 This is our cradle, you know what I mean?

02:29:15.000 This is like where we're born into, and I feel like people should get in touch with the essence of the earth more and just understand the earth. 1.00

02:29:25.000 But don't go close to bears and take pictures of them, you motherfuckers. 1.00

02:29:29.000 There is a reason why they have a 50-yard rule when you go to Yellowstone. 1.00

02:29:33.000 Some asshole got eaten recently. 1.00

02:29:35.000 Oh, really? 1.00

02:29:36.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

02:29:37.000 I'm sure he's not an asshole. 0.99

02:29:38.000 It's true. 1.00

02:29:38.000 He fucked up. 1.00

02:29:39.000 I shouldn't call him an asshole. 1.00

02:29:41.000 He probably has a lot of friends that miss him. 0.98

02:29:42.000 I apologize for that.

02:29:43.000 But yeah, homeboy took pictures of a bear for eight minutes before it ate him.

02:29:48.000 He's got eight minutes of photos.

02:29:50.000 Oh, man. 1.00

02:29:51.000 Yeah, he fucked up. 1.00

02:29:52.000 Wow. 1.00

02:29:53.000 You gotta be really respectful of nature.

02:29:57.000 You gotta really understand that there's a food chain going on.

02:30:01.000 You're lucky.

02:30:02.000 You don't have a real place in it, a natural place where they consistently hunt you.

02:30:07.000 Sure.

02:30:08.000 But you go out there, you're going out into the wild.

02:30:11.000 What I mean by being in touch with the earth isn't necessarily going out and trying to live with the actual animals.

02:30:21.000 I'm not saying that either.

02:30:22.000 This guy wasn't living with him.

02:30:23.000 He was just taking pictures.

02:30:24.000 Or expose yourself.

02:30:27.000 Understand it.

02:30:28.000 Understand it and just understand how it works.

02:30:33.000 It would be great if people understood I mean, look at it this way.

02:30:39.000 We're supposed to be these amazingly evolved people, and we're superior than everything else on the Earth.

02:30:46.000 Okay, well, why is it that every single other species living on the planet, unless it's in a completely alien environment, like a penguin in the desert...

02:30:59.000 Most of the time, you set it out in the wild.

02:31:02.000 You take a deer and you set it out in the wild.

02:31:04.000 It's going to be alright unless it gets hit by a car or killed by a person.

02:31:07.000 It knows what plants to eat, what plants not to eat.

02:31:10.000 It knows where to go to get water.

02:31:12.000 It knows how to go after water.

02:31:14.000 We don't know anything.

02:31:15.000 You take a person that is an outdoorsman and put them in the wild and there's a chance that they're not going to survive.

02:31:25.000 If you've ever watched Survivor Man, you know. 0.96

02:31:27.000 It's fucking hard just to be outside. 0.96

02:31:29.000 Of course. 0.98

02:31:30.000 Just to be outside for a few days is hard.

02:31:31.000 And think about the hypothetical scenario.

02:31:33.000 I'm not trying to get all paranoid doomsday or anything like that.

02:31:36.000 Oh, here it comes, man.

02:31:37.000 I'm just saying, how many people...

02:31:41.000 Obviously, if that happened, we're going to be dealing with the urban environment and what's left of it in many ways.

02:31:48.000 The battlefield.

02:31:48.000 But yeah, it's like, if you are in the wilderness, how are you going to survive?

02:31:53.000 Are you going to be able to make a run for the wilderness?

02:31:55.000 I think most people would just end up staying in an urban environment, even if it's all rubble, and just trying to get together and make something happen in that way, because I don't think that people are going to be able to live in the wild.

02:32:09.000 I want to live off the land.

02:32:11.000 I think that would be the most romantic thing ever.

02:32:12.000 Have a house, buy a lake, eat fish, grow your own vegetables, go hunting.

02:32:16.000 Homesteading.

02:32:17.000 It's the way to go. 0.99

02:32:18.000 It just takes too much goddamn time. 0.99

02:32:20.000 You want to write comedy and go to Jitsu class? 0.99

02:32:22.000 Well, yeah.

02:32:24.000 You can't combine that with the format that we're living in now.

02:32:28.000 You'd have to take a step away from that.

02:32:31.000 Maybe it's just a romantic idea to me.

02:32:35.000 Maybe it's naive to think this way.

02:32:37.000 But I would like to...

02:32:39.000 Step off of the grid at some point in my life and live my life that way for the remainder of my years.

02:32:47.000 I don't know if it'll ever happen.

02:32:50.000 It might be just a pure fantasy.

02:32:53.000 But if I'm able to, I think that that would...

02:32:56.000 I think I would learn a whole lot more about myself and about the earth than I would in any other way.

02:33:02.000 And I would learn a lot more about the essence of being a human being rather than just waking up and doing the same thing every day that we do in society nowadays.

02:33:16.000 Have you ever thought about doing your own podcast, dude?

02:33:18.000 I have, yeah.

02:33:19.000 Why don't you do that?

02:33:20.000 Yeah, I want to.

02:33:21.000 I just don't have...

02:33:22.000 I don't know.

02:33:23.000 I'm not good with...

02:33:24.000 I don't know.

02:33:26.000 I'd have to set the whole thing up.

02:33:27.000 Where to host it.

02:33:29.000 All the technological things.

02:33:31.000 I have to learn about all of them.

02:33:33.000 I take the technology pretty well, but I have to research it.

02:33:36.000 You can do it.

02:33:37.000 Trust me. 0.99

02:33:37.000 All my retarded friends do it. 0.99

02:33:39.000 You can do it.

02:33:40.000 Everyone I know has a podcast now.

02:33:41.000 Yeah, Ari had the little... 1.00

02:33:47.000 I actually got one of those in mics.

02:33:50.000 I just have to start organizing it and figure out where to host it and how to put it on iTunes and all that stuff.

02:33:56.000 Play around with it, dude.

02:33:57.000 You can do it. 1.00

02:33:57.000 And you've got a lot of shit to say about things. 1.00

02:34:00.000 There's only so much you can express yourself when you're on The Ultimate Fighter. 0.99

02:34:04.000 Right.

02:34:04.000 Or when you're in post-flight interviews.

02:34:07.000 It's like there's not that much time where people get a chance to sit down and get to know you.

02:34:11.000 know you, but I think you're an admirable example for young men as far as sticking to your principles, as far as having a code that you live your life by, which I think is something that's really absent in a lot of people in this life.

02:34:24.000 You're another example of a guy who's gone through a lot of adverse situations and developed great character and resolve because of that, man.

02:34:33.000 I appreciate it, man.

02:34:36.000 I think people are going to enjoy this too.

02:34:38.000 They're going to get a different sense of who you are.

02:34:41.000 We all need to hear these kind of stories about turning your life around, about developing your character.

02:34:50.000 These are all really important stories for people to hear.

02:34:53.000 They're empowering, and I think they allow us to learn things without having to go through your experience.

02:34:58.000 We can learn from your interpretations of your experience, and if we're presented with similar problems or similar scenarios in our life, we can learn.

02:35:06.000 We can learn from what you learned and what the people before you who expressed themselves that you learned from their experiences as well.

02:35:12.000 It's very important, man.

02:35:14.000 And so thanks a lot for doing this.

02:35:15.000 Yeah, man.

02:35:16.000 Thanks for having me.

02:35:17.000 I'm going to do this again.

02:35:17.000 And I'm so sorry it's fucked up before.

02:35:19.000 But according to Twitter, everybody's enjoying the shit out of this. 0.97

02:35:21.000 Oh, cool. 0.91

02:35:22.000 It's all legit now.

02:35:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:35:24.000 And it will be saved on Twitter.

02:35:25.000 Awesome.

02:35:26.000 And if people want to get in touch with Mac, you can get him on Twitter.

02:35:28.000 It's MacDanzigMMA. 1.00

02:35:30.000 Whoever you are, you dirty bitch that has MacDanzig, give it up to the man. 1.00

02:35:34.000 You know that's his name. 1.00

02:35:35.000 Why are you playing games, man?

02:35:37.000 What are you doing?

02:35:37.000 Your name ain't MacDanzig, son.

02:35:39.000 There's a few real live Joe Rogans out there.

02:35:41.000 It's not that...

02:35:42.000 Unusual. 0.99

02:35:42.000 And I'm sorry if you have to take a lot of shit because of me. 0.99

02:35:45.000 It's not my fault. 0.98

02:35:46.000 But MacDanzigMMA on Twitter. 1.00

02:35:49.000 Tonight at the Ice House Comedy Club, again, it is a crazy fucking stupid packed show with Joey Diaz, Greg Fitzsimmons, Duncan Trussell, Ari Shafir, Brian Redband, Doug Benson. 0.99

02:36:05.000 Did I mention anybody not? 1.00

02:36:07.000 Did I say Joey Diaz?

02:36:08.000 And me!

02:36:09.000 And me! 1.00

02:36:09.000 You fucks. 1.00

02:36:10.000 It's going to be incredible. 0.99

02:36:12.000 And we're going to take a little break, and then we're going to be back with Billy Corbin. 0.94

02:36:16.000 Billy Corbin is the director of Cocaine Cowboys, and he will be joined by Mad Flava Cocksucker, who's going to lay it down and let you know what the fuck was really going on in Miami in the 70s, Joe Rogan. 0.96

02:36:26.000 The 70s. 0.93

02:36:27.000 Very intense conversation I had with him about this yesterday.

02:36:30.000 Thanks to Onnit.com. 1.00

02:36:32.000 Go to Onnit.com and get yourself some alpha brain, you dirty bitch. 1.00

02:36:36.000 Improve the way your brain functions, son. 1.00

02:36:38.000 Don't snort it off your keyboard, though. 1.00

02:36:40.000 I don't think that shit's recommended. 0.99

02:36:42.000 That really, really fucked me up. 1.00

02:36:43.000 I almost had to leave because it felt like it was fucking my head. 0.99

02:36:47.000 You really did snort it? 0.99

02:36:48.000 No, I inhaled it through that big straw so it's all this powder in my mouth. 0.99

02:36:54.000 And whatever's in that really made me feel fucked up. 0.99

02:36:58.000 Like I was really fucked up for the... 0.99

02:37:00.000 Oh, you're such a unique person. 0.97

02:37:06.000 Go to Onnit.com, use the code name ROGAN, save yourself 10% off any supplements, and go to Desquad.

02:37:11.000 Get yourself some delicious Desquad stickers, some yummy Desquad t-shirts, and by the way, it supports the Desquad Podcast Network, which is the only place to hear the Ice House Chronicles, which is the one that we do from the Ice House with all these badass comedians.

02:37:26.000 All right, you freaks.

02:37:27.000 We'll see you in a little bit.

02:37:28.000 Thank you very much, and we'll be back.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 19, 2012

Joe Rogan Experience #267 - Mac Danzig

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