The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #293 - Cara Santamaria

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00:00:07.000 That's the story of this fucking show. 0.99

00:00:09.000 We're never exactly right with anything. 1.00

00:00:11.000 It's always a mess.

00:00:12.000 But at least my phone's off, I think.

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00:01:52.000 That's what kettlebell workouts are all about. 0.94

00:01:55.000 That's what battle ropes are all about. 0.59

00:01:56.000 And I've been doing a lot of battle rope stuff lately, Brian.

00:01:59.000 Yeah?

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00:02:16.000 It was beautiful.

00:02:17.000 It's just like Aubrey.

00:02:19.000 It's like, you know what?

00:02:20.000 The dude is so positive, and he's so healthy to talk to.

00:02:24.000 He's so there and present, and he just surrounds himself with like-minded people.

00:02:28.000 He just...

00:02:28.000 It was weird seeing the faces behind the company.

00:02:31.000 You always think it's a company.

00:02:33.000 You never get to see the employees.

00:02:34.000 You totally see the trickle down, man.

00:02:36.000 When you have a cool dad, you have cool kids.

00:02:39.000 When you have a cool boss, you have cool employees.

00:02:41.000 That a guy can figure that out and how to assemble such an awesome group of people like that.

00:02:46.000 I don't know why I use that dad analogy.

00:02:48.000 I think Aubrey's daddy.

00:02:49.000 He's their daddy.

00:02:50.000 Anyway, Jesus Christ, this is going to be a long day.

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00:03:50.000 They became connected to us through Brian's friend Ryan, Ryan Keeley. 0.78

00:03:55.000 She hooked him up with it, and we like the way they think.

00:03:58.000 We like what they're trying to do.

00:04:00.000 And Brian, you've played the game.

00:04:02.000 You like the game.

00:04:03.000 Yeah, I've actually been playing it.

00:04:04.000 It was my first time ever doing a beta test.

00:04:09.000 Yeah.

00:04:32.000 What I'm trying to do.

00:04:33.000 As a computer?

00:04:34.000 Yeah.

00:04:35.000 For gaming, it's pretty interesting to see how...

00:04:40.000 The Nintendo Game Boy used to be the biggest thing.

00:04:43.000 Nintendo's hurting right now because of the iPad and tablets and stuff like that.

00:04:48.000 Because they are now the best Game Boy.

00:04:50.000 And Nintendo refuses to...

00:04:53.000 to go on any of these androids and release like their old classics and stuff like that in the iPad because they know once they start doing that they're killing themselves or shooting themselves in the foot you know right and their latest Nintendo Wii has the controller that has a tablet on it you know so it's like a tablet so they're trying to slowly like hey no we got tablet type stuff yeah they're fucked but yeah really fun this game is a perfect example why man this company I'm not sure how many people are in this company,

00:05:19.000 but this game is awesome.

00:05:20.000 And you can get it right now.

00:05:22.000 I think I just purchased it, because I have been playing on the betas and stuff like that.

00:05:27.000 But it's on the iPad store right now, and I think it's like a $2.99 or something like that?

00:05:33.000 There must be a way, I bet they'll probably invent it soon, to make it so that you can link up your TVs with your iPads.

00:05:40.000 Can you do that?

00:05:41.000 Can you play like on a big screen TV? Can you like send it?

00:05:45.000 Well, yeah.

00:05:46.000 I mean, you can actually...

00:05:47.000 Can you do that with Apple TV? Yes.

00:05:49.000 Can you?

00:05:49.000 Yes.

00:05:50.000 With Apple TV? Right.

00:05:51.000 Does it work?

00:05:51.000 Does it look good?

00:05:52.000 Yeah, it's awesome because these new iPads and stuff like that, you can watch HD videos. 0.94

00:05:59.000 If that's the case, I would think that those consoles, like the Xbox, they're fucked then. 0.62

00:06:03.000 Because the input that you get from pads, from tablets, it's the best input. 0.95

00:06:08.000 The touching input, the ability to control things like that, those buttons seem so archaic.

00:06:14.000 We have the trailer right now that the viewers are watching for this game.

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00:06:20.000 Yeah, but we can't even show Kara.

00:06:22.000 Do you want to look at it real quick?

00:06:25.000 Let's see it.

00:06:26.000 This is an iPad game.

00:06:27.000 This is something that you would only see...

00:06:29.000 This looks like an Xbox game.

00:06:33.000 This looks like a PS3 game and this is on your iPad. 0.99

00:06:52.000 Our new streaming looks like shit. 0.90

00:07:09.000 Yeah, so, it's one of those games where, like, when somebody attacks, you use your finger to swipe them and to attack them and stuff like that. 0.99

00:07:18.000 I've been playing with it for a while.

00:07:19.000 It's great.

00:07:20.000 I highly recommend it, especially for the price when you're thinking of, like, an Xbox game that looks like this.

00:07:24.000 Xbox games are $59.

00:07:26.000 This is, like, $299, I believe.

00:07:28.000 So check it out on the iTunes store.

00:07:30.000 I'm not sure if it's on Android or not.

00:07:31.000 I think it might be, actually.

00:07:33.000 Yeah, I don't know if it's on Android.

00:07:35.000 Oh, coming soon to Android.

00:07:36.000 But yeah, it's in the app store right now.

00:07:39.000 Yeah, and it's called Blade Slinger.

00:07:41.000 Blade Slinger.

00:07:41.000 And it's only $2.99.

00:07:43.000 And it looks a lot cooler than it does on Ustream.

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00:07:50.000 Does that mean that we're grainy right now, too? 1.00

00:07:52.000 Yeah, yeah, we're grainy as fuck. 0.97

00:07:54.000 Well, I'm trying something different just so we could have... 0.97

00:07:58.000 This might work.

00:07:59.000 I'm screen capturing my computer right now, so I might be able to have a video, a better quality video.

00:08:05.000 Really? 1.00

00:08:05.000 Yeah, so I'm trying to do some slick, hacky, stupid shit. 1.00

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00:09:29.000 I think they're sending it by mail. 1.00

00:09:31.000 I think they put it on a donkey.

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00:09:35.000 Like, this mail is, like, ridiculous. 0.93

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00:10:50.000 Thank you very much for coming on the podcast.

00:10:53.000 Really appreciate it.

00:10:54.000 Thanks for having me and bringing coffee.

00:10:56.000 Yeah.

00:10:56.000 If you want some, it's right there.

00:10:58.000 Thank you.

00:10:58.000 Calling your name.

00:10:59.000 It's tempting you.

00:11:00.000 I've had a bit too much caffeine already today, I think, so I'm going to take a breather.

00:11:04.000 Oh, have you?

00:11:04.000 How many times a day do you allow yourself?

00:11:07.000 Caffeine?

00:11:07.000 Yeah.

00:11:08.000 Like twice a day.

00:11:10.000 Yeah.

00:11:11.000 I won't let myself have any more than two.

00:11:12.000 I'm a junkie.

00:11:13.000 Yeah.

00:11:13.000 That's how I feel.

00:11:14.000 I feel like if you're having like three cups of coffee, four cups of coffee a day.

00:11:17.000 Oh, you probably think I'm a real junkie too because I don't drink coffee much.

00:11:20.000 I drink like Coca-Cola.

00:11:21.000 Yeah.

00:11:21.000 Uh, well, is that worse for you?

00:11:24.000 Yeah, well, because of the sugar, it's so much worse.

00:11:26.000 But it has way less caffeine in it.

00:11:28.000 It's not even the sugar, right?

00:11:29.000 It's that corn syrup.

00:11:30.000 Yeah, it's the corn syrup.

00:11:31.000 But it has a lot less caffeine, so...

00:11:34.000 Why is it so delicious?

00:11:35.000 I don't know.

00:11:36.000 I love it.

00:11:36.000 It's like crack.

00:11:37.000 Why is something so terrible for your body so delicious?

00:11:39.000 And it's all fizzy in your throat.

00:11:41.000 It's so good.

00:11:41.000 Especially if you have like a meatball sub or something like that.

00:11:45.000 Oh my god.

00:11:46.000 A meatball sub and a cold coke.

00:11:48.000 Oof.

00:11:48.000 It's like just don't drink them every day.

00:11:50.000 Yeah.

00:11:51.000 Just every now and again you can get away with one.

00:11:53.000 It's very satisfying.

00:11:54.000 It's my vice.

00:11:55.000 You know, I have to say it's my vice because when I quit smoking cigarettes last year, I quit smoking weed a few years ago.

00:12:01.000 I don't drink.

00:12:03.000 Wow.

00:12:05.000 What do you do when you go off the rails?

00:12:07.000 Just Coke?

00:12:09.000 Three or four Cokes and get crazy?

00:12:11.000 I just yell a lot.

00:12:12.000 I don't know.

00:12:12.000 I don't really go off the rails in that way.

00:12:15.000 No benders for me. 1.00

00:12:16.000 I was in the jungle of Mexico on the way to Chichen Itza, and I saw a big banner for Coke on the wall.

00:12:25.000 There's this big poster.

00:12:27.000 In the jungle?

00:12:28.000 Coca-Cola.

00:12:28.000 Oh, yeah.

00:12:29.000 It's like this jungle store. 0.96

00:12:31.000 I mean, I'm telling you, it's the Yucatan.

00:12:33.000 It's like where the Mayan ruins are.

00:12:35.000 And even deep in there, Coca-Cola.

00:12:38.000 It's ever...

00:12:39.000 I mean, it is one thing.

00:12:39.000 You could travel anywhere and know that you'll get a nice cold Coca-Cola.

00:12:43.000 Well, sometimes it's not cold, but...

00:12:45.000 Who would have ever predicted that sugary water would be such a massive hit with humans? 0.99

00:12:51.000 I mean that is the craziest fucking business ever. 0.99

00:12:54.000 We do love it. 0.99

00:12:54.000 It seems like anyone can do that. 0.99

00:12:56.000 Like what they're doing, it seems like why would that even be specific to like one company?

00:13:00.000 Because it's so good.

00:13:02.000 I went to have brunch with a friend the other day, and I asked for a Coke, and the guy brought me a glass.

00:13:08.000 Pepsi?

00:13:09.000 Yeah, and I was like, this Coke is so gross.

00:13:11.000 What is wrong with it?

00:13:13.000 He got me another one, and then finally I was like, I don't know.

00:13:16.000 I don't like it.

00:13:16.000 You have to take it back.

00:13:17.000 And he was like, well, it's Pepsi.

00:13:18.000 And I was like, when I ask you for a Coke, don't bring me a Pepsi.

00:13:21.000 Wow, she's a connoisseur. 1.00

00:13:23.000 A connoisseur of the cola. 0.98

00:13:24.000 Pepsi, you fraud!

00:13:26.000 It's not as good.

00:13:26.000 I'm telling you.

00:13:27.000 It's disgusting. 0.65

00:13:28.000 I don't think Pepsi is allowed to use cocaine.

00:13:31.000 I don't think Coke is anymore, either.

00:13:32.000 Oh, no, they do.

00:13:33.000 No, they used to.

00:13:34.000 Well, they don't.

00:13:35.000 They use the leaves and they extract the flavor from them.

00:13:38.000 They're one of the biggest providers of cocaine to some medical facility that uses it for medical cocaine. 0.78

00:13:45.000 That's so funny.

00:13:46.000 The extraction plants...

00:13:48.000 The extraction plants, they take whatever the flavonoids that gives it this particular Coca-Cola flavor.

00:13:55.000 I bet there's just a little bit of cocaine in Coca-Cola.

00:13:57.000 Probably.

00:13:57.000 It's probably what gives you the burn, too.

00:13:59.000 Not enough for you to test positive, but enough for your brain to know something's there. 0.99

00:14:03.000 Can we talk about how fucked up that is, by the way? 0.98

00:14:06.000 All the time, I came from the neuroscience world. 0.99

00:14:10.000 So many labs do cocaine research.

00:14:14.000 Yeah.

00:14:33.000 It's a weird position in 2012 because the propaganda that led to that position, it's not really arguable anymore. 0.95

00:14:42.000 It's too silly.

00:14:43.000 Like if you look at the actual facts of it, you go, come on, you guys are, this is archaic.

00:14:48.000 And then you realize that it's not really about that as much as it, the legality of these things and the moving them into position for legality, it's That eliminates a huge business.

00:15:04.000 The business of keeping it illegal.

00:15:06.000 That's true.

00:15:06.000 And police officers and gigantic private prisons.

00:15:12.000 The pharmaceutical companies alone would lose millions and millions of dollars every year.

00:15:17.000 That's true.

00:15:17.000 A lot of people make money off of the fact that marijuana is not legal.

00:15:20.000 Well, at least federally still.

00:15:22.000 But I wonder why it is that cocaine is not classified as a Schedule I drug.

00:15:27.000 Well, it's because they believe it has medical uses.

00:15:29.000 What medical?

00:15:30.000 Who gets prescribed cocaine?

00:15:31.000 I don't know.

00:15:32.000 Nobody does, do they?

00:15:33.000 I don't know.

00:15:34.000 It's funny.

00:15:35.000 I mean, I think they use it for...

00:15:36.000 We use it in lab research all the time to study reward pathways, to study dopamine pathways.

00:15:40.000 And it's interesting because I think in like...

00:15:42.000 In everyday, kind of, layman, common parlance, you'll hear people say all the time, oh, that's so similar to cocaine.

00:15:48.000 Oh, that's so similar to cocaine.

00:15:50.000 You know, when you fall in love and then you have a breakup, the withdrawal symptoms are much like cocaine.

00:15:54.000 It looks like that in the brain.

00:15:55.000 Well, why do you think we know that?

00:15:56.000 It's because we use cocaine to study everything.

00:16:00.000 Like, cocaine is such a model kind of molecule that's used in the laboratory with laboratory animals.

00:16:06.000 Every lab does coke research.

00:16:10.000 That's crazy.

00:16:12.000 It's a really, really easy way to study reward pathways in the brain.

00:16:16.000 Joey Diaz used to have a couple scripts for cocaine prescriptions.

00:16:19.000 No way.

00:16:22.000 Inside joke, I guess.

00:16:24.000 Yeah, I guess so. 1.00

00:16:24.000 He got me the fuck. 1.00

00:16:27.000 Joey's like, what? 1.00

00:16:29.000 I really believed you for half a second.

00:16:31.000 Like, what?

00:16:31.000 No.

00:16:33.000 Well, it's kind of crazy that you can get them for marijuana.

00:16:36.000 Marijuana's in such a weird position right now.

00:16:38.000 I think there's like 18 different cities, or states rather, that have made it legal medically now. 0.98

00:16:44.000 And Colorado made it legal recreationally, which is just like a big fuck you to the federal government. 0.94

00:16:49.000 And Washington State did as well. 0.99

00:16:50.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:16:53.000 It's only a matter of time.

00:16:54.000 The scales are tipping.

00:16:55.000 And Obama doesn't have another term in front of him.

00:17:00.000 Hopefully he won't do what Clinton did, which was after he got voted out of office, oh, you know, I've I probably think maybe it should be legal.

00:17:06.000 It's like, oh, maybe if you had a position of power where you could do something about that.

00:17:11.000 I think that position is extremely costly.

00:17:14.000 I think to take that position as a politician, the only thing it gets for you is the love of your constituents because you're being honest.

00:17:23.000 That's the only thing it gets for you.

00:17:25.000 But what if Obama decides to never go back to the Senate?

00:17:28.000 What if he decides to go back to working as a public servant, as a community organizer?

00:17:32.000 What does he have to lose?

00:17:33.000 Really?

00:17:34.000 Yeah, he doesn't have anything to lose.

00:17:36.000 Yeah, so I want to see him affect some real change here in the second term.

00:17:40.000 I would love to see that too, but I just...

00:17:42.000 I know, I'm a bit disillusioned about it too, but...

00:17:44.000 They don't ever seem to be able to do that.

00:17:47.000 Even a guy like Obama, who just was the perfect guy for...

00:17:51.000 If you wanted to have a guy move into a position of power like that, that you thought would be like a completely new face, a guy who was born biracial, of a single mother, the whole deal, came up poor, worked hard, was very articulate, 0.84

00:18:07.000 didn't really have anything wrong with him.

00:18:09.000 He's like a really bright guy, a lawyer, brilliant, great speaker, perfect.

00:18:15.000 He used to smoke a lot of pot.

00:18:18.000 This guy's going to get an office. 0.94

00:18:19.000 He's going to settle everybody the fuck down.

00:18:21.000 Yeah.

00:18:21.000 But then it gets in and it's like, it's almost like it's a job where you don't get a chance to say what really happens.

00:18:31.000 Yeah, I mean, it's probably really hard for us kind of on the outside to know how much, how little power somebody actually gets once they're elected in.

00:18:39.000 And I mean, obviously, I think that we need to be putting the pressure on Obama hardcore at this point because I think that he's made a lot of fucking mistakes and I think that he needs to clean up a lot of messes, especially with like civil rights abuses, especially with a lot of the I mean, well, I won't say what I'm thinking.

00:18:54.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.71

00:18:55.000 Civil liberties.

00:18:55.000 And I won't say what I was about to say.

00:18:57.000 Why not? 0.98

00:18:58.000 Are you getting crazy? 0.82

00:18:59.000 I was about to get a little crazy. 0.89

00:19:00.000 I'm going to dial it back a little.

00:19:02.000 But yeah, I mean, I think that at this point, it's kind of our job as his constituency to really put the heat on him.

00:19:09.000 I just don't know if there's really a president.

00:19:11.000 I don't know if it's real.

00:19:13.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:19:14.000 I have a feeling that that guy is just working.

00:19:19.000 I just think it's all so hard.

00:19:23.000 There's just too much money.

00:19:24.000 I think that's what it is.

00:19:25.000 There's just too much money.

00:19:26.000 And they've been making it for too long, and they don't want to stop making it.

00:19:28.000 And even though it's illogical, and everybody knows it's illogical, they'll say, we've got to go to war with Iran. 0.99

00:19:32.000 And everybody's like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.97

00:19:35.000 Nobody wants to do it, except the people that can make a fuckload of money out of it. 0.99

00:19:38.000 You think we're going to do it?

00:19:39.000 I don't think we're going to do it.

00:19:40.000 I don't think we're going to do it.

00:19:41.000 But I think that it would absolutely be something that I would have to worry about if Dick Cheney was in office.

00:19:46.000 I think you'd have to really worry about us doing that.

00:19:48.000 Can you imagine if Palin was in office?

00:19:51.000 I don't think they would let her talk. 1.00

00:19:53.000 I think they would figure out a way to stop that shit. 1.00

00:19:56.000 They would figure out a way to just dial her down to reading shit off a teleprompter. 1.00

00:20:02.000 Oh, I just got a tweet. 0.99

00:20:03.000 Cocaine is used in eye surgery.

00:20:04.000 Oh, yeah, because it's an anesthetic.

00:20:06.000 That makes sense.

00:20:07.000 Yeah, apparently there's a bunch of different medical uses for it. 0.99

00:20:09.000 Well, damn it. 0.99

00:20:10.000 I'm starting shoving pencils in my eyes right now. 0.99

00:20:13.000 I've never done coke, but I did do lidocaine.

00:20:16.000 Yeah.

00:20:16.000 Wait, you did lidocaine?

00:20:18.000 No, I didn't do it like, hey dude, it's crazy on lidocaine.

00:20:21.000 But I had some in my body because I'm a doctor.

00:20:23.000 I had my nose fixed.

00:20:25.000 I had it...

00:20:25.000 Opened up.

00:20:26.000 I had a deviated septum.

00:20:28.000 And they spray this lidocaine up there, which numbs the inside of your nose. 0.98

00:20:32.000 And it makes you feel fucking terrible.

00:20:36.000 Whatever it is, it just gets in your system. 0.94

00:20:39.000 And you're just like, oh. 1.00

00:20:39.000 And apparently, people have died from putting that shit on their legs. 1.00

00:20:46.000 People have had overdoses. 1.00

00:20:47.000 Oh, no.

00:20:48.000 Girls that wanted to get their legs lasered. 1.00

00:20:51.000 Oh, God. 1.00

00:20:51.000 Put that shit all over their legs and then wrap it up with saran wrap, and you overdose on this lidocaine shit, and you can actually die from it. 1.00

00:20:59.000 Jesus. 1.00

00:20:59.000 Or not. 1.00

00:21:00.000 Maybe I should Snopes that. 0.90

00:21:03.000 Snope.

00:21:04.000 Snope. 0.99

00:21:04.000 But I remember thinking how disgusting it was, but it does numb the shit out of you, which I guess apparently so does Coke. 0.99

00:21:13.000 Does it, Brian? 0.99

00:21:14.000 Coke?

00:21:15.000 Yeah.

00:21:16.000 I don't know.

00:21:18.000 It just makes me talk a lot.

00:21:20.000 I don't remember it numbing me, though.

00:21:22.000 Well, I mean, you can use it. 0.88

00:21:24.000 Your mouth.

00:21:25.000 Yeah, your mouth.

00:21:25.000 You can rub it on your...

00:21:27.000 You know, I saw...

00:21:28.000 Have you seen Harold and Kumar go to...

00:21:31.000 White Castle?

00:21:31.000 The Christmas one.

00:21:32.000 Oh.

00:21:33.000 There's a baby in it that's doing cocaine and stuff and giving itself nummies.

00:21:38.000 And I know how much you like babies, Joe.

00:21:40.000 I highly recommend that movie.

00:21:41.000 It's awesome.

00:21:41.000 Joe, you're not a fan of babies?

00:21:42.000 Oh, I'd love that.

00:21:43.000 Oh, you love babies.

00:21:44.000 Imagine a baby on coke.

00:21:45.000 If you like babies on cocaine and doing ecstasy, there's babies smoking weed, doing ecstasy.

00:21:50.000 A baby?

00:21:51.000 Yeah, it's the greatest thing in the world.

00:21:52.000 That movie's hilarious.

00:21:53.000 See it in 3D, though.

00:21:55.000 Apparently, lidocaine definitely kills people.

00:21:57.000 And in fact, a guy was using it to...

00:21:59.000 He was a murderer who used lidocaine.

00:22:01.000 He was injecting it into elderly patients.

00:22:04.000 Why? 1.00

00:22:05.000 To kill them. 0.99

00:22:06.000 Why did he want to murder a bunch of elderly people? 0.99

00:22:08.000 I don't know.

00:22:09.000 That happens sometimes with nurses. 1.00

00:22:12.000 There's something really weird that happens with nurses.

00:22:15.000 Where they resent their job or whatever, take it out on the people?

00:22:18.000 It's not just that, I think.

00:22:19.000 I think...

00:22:21.000 I think there's a...

00:22:22.000 For a lot of people, dealing with trauma on a regular basis over and over again can give you some really twisted ideas about life.

00:22:30.000 Watching so many people's lives pass.

00:22:32.000 This is just totally my speculation.

00:22:34.000 But... 0.98

00:22:36.000 I would think that if you were fucked up to begin with and you got into that line of work, the combination of the two... 0.99

00:22:42.000 I had a friend who's an ophthalmologist and he did his residency in Miami and it was during the cocaine war days and he would just come to me and just tell me the shit that he saw And you just have to shake your head like just people just torn to bits, 0.99

00:23:00.000 blown apart, stabbed to death. 1.00

00:23:02.000 And he saw that shit day after day. 1.00

00:23:04.000 And you get desensitized to it, I'm sure. 1.00

00:23:07.000 I mean, how do you not?

00:23:08.000 And you want to have some power or some excitement in your life so you're doing something that you know is wrong, but you can't help yourself because it's a thrill to see if you can pull it off.

00:23:20.000 And they wind up doing it with like 20, 30 people until they get busted.

00:23:23.000 That's so sad.

00:23:24.000 There's been a bunch of cases like that.

00:23:26.000 All right.

00:23:26.000 This has been like a bummer conversation.

00:23:28.000 Has it really?

00:23:30.000 I guess it has.

00:23:30.000 This is kind of bumming me out.

00:23:32.000 Yeah.

00:23:32.000 We went from cocaine, medical use of cocaine.

00:23:35.000 To like murdering old people. 1.00

00:23:36.000 I don't want to talk about that anymore. 1.00

00:23:38.000 Murdering nurses.

00:23:38.000 Yeah, it's really sad.

00:23:40.000 You're very sensitive, obviously, because you said that you can't watch MMA until you know the results.

00:23:47.000 Yeah.

00:23:47.000 I mean, I have before.

00:23:48.000 It's definitely harder if you know the person fighting, of course.

00:23:51.000 Right.

00:23:51.000 You're friends with Kung Lee.

00:23:52.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm close to Kung Lee.

00:23:54.000 He is, like, best friends with somebody who's really important in my life, so I've gotten to be close to him over about the last year.

00:24:00.000 And his last fight in China, obviously, I couldn't watch it live anyway, but I kind of waited until I knew what happened and then was really excited to watch it.

00:24:08.000 But I don't want to see him get hurt.

00:24:10.000 Yeah, he's a great guy.

00:24:11.000 He's a great guy.

00:24:13.000 He's got a great character, that guy.

00:24:15.000 He's so sweet.

00:24:15.000 He's amazing.

00:24:16.000 And he's tough.

00:24:17.000 Very, very tough.

00:24:18.000 But you wouldn't know it.

00:24:21.000 Well, he would never act like a tough guy.

00:24:24.000 No. 1.00

00:24:25.000 He's tough as fuck. 1.00

00:24:26.000 And he's 40 years old. 1.00

00:24:27.000 And he's 40. And he's doing movies still and shit. 1.00

00:24:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:24:30.000 And he's kicking ass still, which is pretty crazy. 1.00

00:24:33.000 I mean, it's amazing. 0.98

00:24:34.000 But I mean, he's doing both. 1.00

00:24:36.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 0.99

00:24:37.000 He's still pretty new in UFC, isn't he? 1.00

00:24:42.000 I mean, he was in Strikeforce for many years.

00:24:44.000 Yeah, he's only had a couple of fights.

00:24:45.000 He's had three fights in the UFC now.

00:24:47.000 And he won his last two, which is awesome.

00:24:49.000 And he looks great.

00:24:50.000 The Rich Franklin fight was incredible. 0.95

00:24:52.000 Ridiculous. 0.91

00:24:53.000 I know. 0.98

00:24:53.000 That was one of the best one-punch knockouts ever. 0.98

00:24:56.000 And to do it to a guy like Franklin...

00:24:58.000 It's really impressive.

00:25:00.000 It's fought a lot of people.

00:25:01.000 From huge, huge MMA fans, I wonder, is it more exciting or kind of a letdown when there's a knockout, like in the first round?

00:25:10.000 Well, you'd like to see a longer fight in a knockout.

00:25:17.000 Some people love to see just mastery.

00:25:19.000 Some people love to see a guy like Anderson Silva.

00:25:21.000 Just run someone over.

00:25:23.000 And some people like to see a Frankie Edgar Grey Maynard war.

00:25:27.000 Everybody has their own thing, how they like to see fights play out.

00:25:30.000 Some people like to see someone win and not get hurt at all.

00:25:33.000 That's kind of a crazy thing.

00:25:35.000 That's amazing.

00:25:36.000 That's what Anderson Silva does almost every fight.

00:25:38.000 That's what I would prefer to see, I think.

00:25:39.000 He wins and he never even gets hurt. 0.95

00:25:41.000 He fucks everybody up. 0.99

00:25:43.000 I mean, he's the most ridiculous example of a guy who wins in spectacular fashion and doesn't even get hit. 0.99

00:25:50.000 I just, you know, I think part of it for me is that, you know, when it's somebody you know, it's hard to see somebody take a punch. 0.94

00:25:56.000 It's hard to see somebody break a bone or whatever.

00:25:58.000 But also, I think because of my background in the field that I come from and studying neurobiology and working with people with brain injury, when I watch these fights, that's all I can think about the whole time.

00:26:09.000 It's like, oh, concussion.

00:26:10.000 Oh, God, twisted head in motion injury.

00:26:13.000 You know, and I'm just so nervous for the fighters because it's just, let's go in this ring and...

00:26:19.000 Get some brain injury.

00:26:20.000 I forgot to lock the front door.

00:26:25.000 Somebody here to see us?

00:26:26.000 No, no, no.

00:26:27.000 Just some random dude.

00:26:29.000 The real issue isn't even just the fights themselves.

00:26:34.000 It's getting prepared for the fights.

00:26:36.000 The sub-concussive trauma that you get over and over and over again really piles itself on.

00:26:43.000 Even the little thuds.

00:26:45.000 Yeah, it's rough.

00:26:46.000 I did a piece for my column.

00:26:48.000 I do a video series at Huffington Post called Talk Nerdy to Me.

00:26:51.000 Every week I do a video.

00:26:52.000 And one of the pieces really, really early on that I did was about kind of this concussive injury, more in like football players and boxers, and how it mimics ALS symptoms, you know, how it starts to look like Lou Gehrig's disease after a while.

00:27:07.000 And even though they think it's kind of a separate disorder, it has the same outcome, which is so scary.

00:27:14.000 Yeah, it's very scary.

00:27:16.000 Guys have to know when to get out.

00:27:17.000 They really do.

00:27:18.000 You've got to know when to get out and you have to get medical examinations and stay up to date on all your checkups and neurological checkups and stuff like that because it's It's a big gamble, and that's why it's so exciting.

00:27:33.000 It's so exciting because everybody knows how much is on the line.

00:27:36.000 And that's why nobody wants to see huge changes, like in the NFL, for example.

00:27:40.000 I actually got to be kind of internet friends with Steve Gleason after I did that piece, who's an ex-NFL player who actually suffers from these injuries now, and he's got a foundation where he really tries to educate people about it, so we kind of tweet a lot.

00:27:51.000 But that's why I don't think you'll ever see football players going back to wearing leather helmets, for example, which would Completely cut down on concussive head injuries because people wouldn't be charging with their heads anymore.

00:28:01.000 It's just so hard for people to wrap their heads around that.

00:28:03.000 I know.

00:28:04.000 The idea that less padding would actually be safer.

00:28:06.000 Exactly.

00:28:06.000 But that's the argument also for the UFC gloves.

00:28:09.000 You can't hit a guy as many times.

00:28:12.000 You break your hand if you hit him in certain spots.

00:28:16.000 It's one of the reasons why actually bare knuckle fighting is probably the safest way to do it.

00:28:20.000 It just looks so barbaric to people.

00:28:22.000 It does.

00:28:22.000 Yeah, it's counterintuitive.

00:28:23.000 But when you tighten up your fist and wrap it, you actually make it a better weapon.

00:28:28.000 You make it so it doesn't break as easily.

00:28:30.000 So you have to be less judicious with where, you know, less accurate.

00:28:34.000 You can punch people in the arms and not hurt your hands as much.

00:28:37.000 I always put my thumb in the middle of my fist.

00:28:39.000 Just wear my rings. 0.99

00:28:41.000 Just crazy gangster goth rings, dragons and shit on your knuckles. 0.98

00:28:49.000 Yeah, the human body's not really designed for it, but it's the best way to test the human character. 0.97

00:28:55.000 That's why it's so exciting, viscerally.

00:28:58.000 When you see a guy fight, you know everything about him.

00:29:03.000 You know what he's capable of.

00:29:06.000 You know that when you see someone do something that's really spectacular in an MMA fight, the difficulty of doing that and pulling that off on another trained killer When you watch an Anderson Silva fight, the spectacular nature that he goes about doing that,

00:29:24.000 to me, it's like the most exciting artwork.

00:29:28.000 Because I know how much is on the line in order to create this performance.

00:29:33.000 But when he does it, it's literally like a work of art.

00:29:37.000 I look at it the same way someone would look at an incredible sculpture. 0.95

00:29:41.000 Unfortunately, I don't think that everybody looks at it that way, and I think that it does just kind of have this Roman Colosseum draw to it, which is just, I want to see two people fuck each other up.

00:29:51.000 I want to get my aggressions out by watching somebody else do that.

00:29:54.000 I blame that on a lack of understanding of martial arts, and I think that the way to fix that would be to teach it to everybody from the time they're little kids.

00:30:04.000 And I think that should be a curriculum in school for boys.

00:30:08.000 What about girls?

00:30:09.000 Well, absolutely.

00:30:11.000 Absolutely.

00:30:12.000 You can do martial arts without getting a head injury when you're young.

00:30:15.000 You don't have to actually take a hit.

00:30:17.000 Because boys are angry.

00:30:18.000 That's true.

00:30:18.000 Girls usually aren't that angry.

00:30:19.000 Girls are kind of bitches, though, when they're young. 1.00

00:30:21.000 They're angry in different ways. 1.00

00:30:22.000 They're more like chatty angry.

00:30:24.000 Well, some girls are aggressive angry. 1.00

00:30:26.000 Unless it's like those black chicks on worldstarhiphop.com. 1.00

00:30:29.000 I've never seen that. 0.84

00:30:30.000 You never?

00:30:30.000 No.

00:30:31.000 Oh my goodness.

00:30:31.000 Are they aggressive?

00:30:32.000 Oh, you've got to watch. 1.00

00:30:33.000 You want to pull one up and watch some girl get the fuck beat out of her? 1.00

00:30:36.000 Oh God. 1.00

00:30:37.000 That's impossible.

00:30:38.000 All right.

00:30:38.000 We might crash the internet.

00:30:40.000 Listen.

00:30:41.000 I think I can imagine.

00:30:42.000 Yeah.

00:30:42.000 I can probably imagine.

00:30:43.000 Yeah, you can imagine.

00:30:44.000 Yeah.

00:30:45.000 But you can't imagine.

00:30:46.000 One of them you can't imagine.

00:30:47.000 Really? 1.00

00:30:48.000 Because the fucking beating she puts on this girl and the speed in which she does it is so terrifying. 0.99

00:30:52.000 See, I'm smiling now, but if you actually show it to me, it's going to be really depressing. 1.00

00:30:57.000 Well, we won't.

00:30:58.000 We don't have to relive this poor girl's misery. 0.99

00:31:00.000 But apparently some girl was talking shit, and so this girl came over her house. 1.00

00:31:04.000 She pulls her out of her house. 0.99

00:31:06.000 I mean, within seconds, she's hit her 20, 30 times.

00:31:10.000 Just, no, no, no, no!

00:31:11.000 No, no, no!

00:31:12.000 Stomping her over and over and over, grabs her by her hair, drags her down the stairs, and then says, talk about that, ho! 1.00

00:31:19.000 Oh, no!

00:31:22.000 Jesus!

00:31:23.000 I've never been in a fight.

00:31:25.000 That's hard for me to empathize with.

00:31:27.000 Well, look, I haven't been in one since I was a young boy myself, but the... 0.99

00:31:32.000 Knowing how to fight would protect her from all that shit. 1.00

00:31:36.000 Probably. 1.00

00:31:37.000 That wouldn't have happened.

00:31:38.000 Yeah. 0.63

00:31:38.000 She would have clinched, taken that girl down, head-butted her, got her in a choke, put her out. 0.63

00:31:43.000 But she probably didn't want to.

00:31:44.000 But if she knew how to defend herself, she was attacked.

00:31:47.000 And she didn't know how to defend herself, and that's why it was such a vicious beating.

00:31:50.000 But I think there's this switch in some people's minds where being on the defensive feels like being on the offensive.

00:31:57.000 I sometimes ask this kind of as a thought experiment.

00:32:00.000 I'm very anti-gun, right?

00:32:02.000 I don't want to own a gun.

00:32:03.000 I don't want to see a gun.

00:32:05.000 I don't want to be near a gun.

00:32:06.000 And people always say, yeah, but what happens if there's a home invasion and somebody's armed?

00:32:11.000 What would you do?

00:32:12.000 And it's like, I don't know. 0.98

00:32:13.000 I mean, I know it sounds crazy, but I might rather get shot than to have to kill somebody. 0.97

00:32:18.000 To take somebody's life. 0.73

00:32:19.000 Like, I just don't think I could do it.

00:32:21.000 I don't think I could do it.

00:32:22.000 And I wonder if other people feel it. 1.00

00:32:23.000 I mean, most people go, oh yeah, fuck that. 1.00

00:32:25.000 I'm going to kill that guy. 1.00

00:32:26.000 But I wonder if you're actually faced with that. 1.00

00:32:29.000 If you would.

00:32:30.000 If you would want to.

00:32:31.000 I mean, I don't know if that kind of survival instinct kicks in.

00:32:35.000 I think as humans, we've kind of evolved.

00:32:38.000 We've bred out a lot of the survival instincts that our ancestors had.

00:32:43.000 We do fight to stay alive, but for example, if you look at the way little kids grow up, little kids need their parents for years and years and years and years.

00:32:53.000 Not until they're probably...

00:32:58.000 Maybe just before they're 10, 11, could they even maybe survive on the streets?

00:33:02.000 And even then, that would be tough.

00:33:03.000 But definitely a four-year-old, a five-year-old could never figure out how to feed themselves to take care of themselves.

00:33:08.000 Whereas if you look in the animal kingdom, it's within months that most animals are weaned.

00:33:14.000 In order to, I think, have these more complex thoughts and these more complex abilities, as humans we have language and we have art and we have music and we have philosophy.

00:33:22.000 We're not so good at the survival stuff anymore.

00:33:25.000 And I don't know.

00:33:26.000 I don't feel that drive in me.

00:33:28.000 And I think that if faced with death or what I would consider to be murder, even if it was in self-defense, I don't know.

00:33:36.000 Well, that's either you and your own individual point of view, which is extreme and well thought out.

00:33:44.000 Or, I don't think that's represented, though, by reality.

00:33:48.000 It's probably not.

00:33:50.000 I wonder how many girls would say the same thing. 0.99

00:33:52.000 I think it's pretty rare.

00:33:52.000 You think so?

00:33:53.000 Yeah.

00:33:53.000 I don't think your position is represented by most people.

00:33:58.000 Yeah, maybe not.

00:33:59.000 Most people will tell you about incredible things they've done to stay alive.

00:34:05.000 No, that's true.

00:34:06.000 And I bet you you do have that instinct that really does kick in.

00:34:09.000 Like the guy who cut off his own arm from 127. I think you would too. 0.90

00:34:14.000 I might cut off my own arm.

00:34:16.000 I think the way you're looking at it is looking at it in the way of a person who just does not have it in them to harm a person.

00:34:26.000 You don't have it in there.

00:34:27.000 I might not.

00:34:27.000 I don't know.

00:34:57.000 Yeah.

00:34:58.000 Yeah.

00:35:00.000 Yeah.

00:35:03.000 Do you have kids?

00:35:04.000 Yes.

00:35:04.000 You do?

00:35:04.000 Yeah.

00:35:05.000 And you have that, like, intense instinct to protect them.

00:35:07.000 Oh, it's crazy.

00:35:08.000 It's a crazy instinct.

00:35:09.000 You love them so much.

00:35:10.000 I mean, it's really hard to understand.

00:35:12.000 Yeah.

00:35:12.000 I just thought I understood it because of dogs and relatives and stuff like that.

00:35:15.000 Yeah, I've got a dog who I love, but like, eh.

00:35:18.000 No, I can just, I'm like on a drug when I play with my two-year-old.

00:35:22.000 It's like a drug.

00:35:23.000 Yeah.

00:35:23.000 And my four-year-old is like a little human.

00:35:25.000 We have, like, little conversations about things, about life.

00:35:28.000 We talk about stars.

00:35:30.000 Yay! 0.99

00:35:30.000 You know, she's like this little person. 0.99

00:35:31.000 Are they into science?

00:35:32.000 Yeah.

00:35:32.000 The four-year-old is into everything.

00:35:34.000 She's really smart.

00:35:35.000 I feel like little kids are little scientists.

00:35:37.000 That's the coolest thing about them, is that they have just this kind of natural instinct to think scientifically about the world.

00:35:44.000 Right, they want answers.

00:35:45.000 They want answers to everything.

00:35:46.000 They just explore everything.

00:35:47.000 And they're not satisfied either.

00:35:49.000 If you give them an answer that does not satisfy them, they'll be like, not good enough, but why?

00:35:54.000 I've had the but why conversation over and over and over again as to why people live in cities and why some people don't live.

00:36:00.000 We were driving to the mountains.

00:36:02.000 Why are these people living in a place like this?

00:36:05.000 How come they don't want to live in the city?

00:36:07.000 I want to live in the city.

00:36:10.000 They're trying to figure out, is there a good place to live?

00:36:12.000 The four-year-olds are going, is this the spot?

00:36:15.000 Where's the spot to live? 0.99

00:36:16.000 She's like, it seems like you can live in a lot of fucking places. 1.00

00:36:20.000 And seeing a four-year-old put that together, it's a mindfuck. 1.00

00:36:26.000 And you're absolutely right. 0.98

00:36:27.000 That's a brilliant way of putting it, that they're like little scientists.

00:36:30.000 Because they have to be.

00:36:31.000 They're trying to piece together their view of the world from scratch.

00:36:36.000 Yeah.

00:36:37.000 Can you imagine going back?

00:36:38.000 I feel that, like, have you ever done acid?

00:36:40.000 No, I've never done acid.

00:36:41.000 Is anybody in the room ever done acid?

00:36:41.000 Yes, of course.

00:36:43.000 I used to sell Bibles of it.

00:36:44.000 Of course.

00:36:46.000 So that's, I think that that's the draw for some people when they do psychedelics, but I would say specifically LSD as compared to other psychedelics, because one of the central features that I always found, and I haven't, you know, done anything like that since late high school, early college,

00:37:01.000 but one of the central features that I always found was that you...

00:37:05.000 Everything's kind of new again.

00:37:06.000 Like you don't really understand why things are the way they are.

00:37:09.000 Like you'll find yourself staring at your hand for 20 minutes going like, I have fingers and they move and I can grab things. 0.99

00:37:15.000 Holy shit! 0.99

00:37:16.000 And yeah, I remember one time a friend driving somewhere far away with a bunch of... 0.98

00:37:21.000 We're all on acid and it was like we had to get gas and it was like the weirdest thing because money...

00:37:26.000 These pieces of paper have value.

00:37:29.000 It was very confusing to everybody.

00:37:31.000 But it's always such an interesting experience.

00:37:35.000 Everything's so new.

00:37:36.000 And you have to piece it together and make sense of the world around you.

00:37:39.000 And of course, you have epiphany after you.

00:37:41.000 Just constant epiphanies.

00:37:42.000 You just think that you're the most brilliant person in the world because you're figuring everything out.

00:37:47.000 And you document it and you sober up the next day.

00:37:50.000 Or you're shitting yourself crying when you're about to die. 0.69

00:37:53.000 Good.

00:37:53.000 Could be, but I've never had one of those trips.

00:37:55.000 Really?

00:37:56.000 You were asking in Columbus, Ohio.

00:37:57.000 The worst trip that I had was a really long trip, and it was just, I was grimy, and I was just over it, and I was trying to sober up because I had to work the next day and I hadn't slept.

00:38:08.000 And when I was younger, I used to dye my hair a lot of crazy colors.

00:38:11.000 I kept it really short and dyed it a lot.

00:38:13.000 It's a little punk rocker, raver chick. 0.85

00:38:15.000 And I remember taking a shower because I thought it would sober me up and my hair was like blood red. 0.98

00:38:20.000 And so I took this shower and washed my hair and just all this red shit was going down the drain and it really flipped me out. 0.90

00:38:26.000 But it was so late in the trip that I worked my way through it. 0.99

00:38:30.000 I've never had a scary shitting myself trip. 0.53

00:38:33.000 That sounds awful. 0.98

00:38:35.000 Yeah, I knew a couple people that had lost their fucking minds on drugs when I was a kid, so I was really hesitant until I was in my 30s. 0.98

00:38:45.000 I never even smoked pot. 0.98

00:38:46.000 I had a friend who was in my neighborhood who sold coke, and I watched him go from this carefree, fun-loving guy, it's always fun to be around, To being this withered away weirdo.

00:39:00.000 Well, yeah, those are two very different drugs.

00:39:02.000 He was just hiding in his attic and doing coke all the time with his girlfriend.

00:39:06.000 Yeah.

00:39:06.000 I mean, coke is similar.

00:39:08.000 It's weaker, but it's similar to meth.

00:39:10.000 And you see, I mean, meth is like the most disgusting compound on the planet. 0.95

00:39:13.000 I mean, it fucks people's lives up completely.

00:39:16.000 What's your take on this MDPV stuff that McAfee was accused of?

00:39:21.000 I don't really know anything about it, to be honest.

00:39:23.000 I haven't taken the time to really study it.

00:39:25.000 I mean, it sounds kind of nuts, but...

00:39:27.000 But that's, you know, that's what people do is they find the newest compound.

00:39:32.000 And because a lot of times you can get things more readily.

00:39:35.000 They're legal until kind of the feds catch on to it and they have to start outlawing it. 0.94

00:39:40.000 When I was growing up, we used to do DXM all the time, dextromethorophan, because you could get it in over-the-counter cough medicine.

00:39:49.000 And it was like wheat ketamine.

00:39:51.000 Robo-tripping.

00:39:52.000 Robo-tripping, or we would take...

00:39:54.000 Purple stuff.

00:39:55.000 ...coracidin, which were the little red pills, the little red devils.

00:39:57.000 And it's a dissociative anesthetic. 0.78

00:39:59.000 It totally fucks you up. 0.98

00:40:01.000 Did you take it anally, or did you take it through your mouth? 0.99

00:40:03.000 We took it orally.

00:40:06.000 We prefer... 1.00

00:40:07.000 We used to just shove them up, because they would dissolve in your ass. 1.00

00:40:09.000 Yeah, that sounds like a boy. 1.00

00:40:11.000 How many of your girlfriends did that with you? 1.00

00:40:12.000 He didn't really do that.

00:40:13.000 He made that up.

00:40:14.000 You believe that?

00:40:15.000 He made you listen to that.

00:40:16.000 Of course I believe that. 1.00

00:40:17.000 Don't kids put tampons soaked in vodka up their ass? 1.00

00:40:20.000 Absolutely, they do. 1.00

00:40:20.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:40:22.000 Haven't people gotten really sick from that?

00:40:23.000 I'm sure.

00:40:24.000 I want to try it so bad. 1.00

00:40:25.000 Drunk pussy, can you imagine? 1.00

00:40:27.000 That's the real term, drunk pussy. 1.00

00:40:30.000 That's what they call it. 1.00

00:40:30.000 But boys, they have to do it in their ass. 1.00

00:40:32.000 Straw through the dick hole is what I do. 1.00

00:40:34.000 With tampons? 1.00

00:40:36.000 Vodka-soaked tampons in their ass. 1.00

00:40:38.000 It makes the most sense, I mean, to be honest. 1.00

00:40:40.000 But do girls do it in their ass or do they do it in their vagina? 1.00

00:40:43.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:40:44.000 It sounds like it would burn. 1.00

00:40:45.000 I think they do it in their vagina. 1.00

00:40:46.000 Yeah, you're right. 1.00

00:40:46.000 She would know. 1.00

00:40:47.000 She's got one of those. 0.99

00:40:48.000 I've got one of those and it sounds like it would burn.

00:40:49.000 It would probably burn on the other thing.

00:40:52.000 Probably just all around this would burn. 1.00

00:40:53.000 Why would you put vodka in your ass? 1.00

00:40:55.000 Because I guess you drink so much that you can't get drunk quickly enough. 1.00

00:41:00.000 Do you know how fucking crazy you have to be to be like, you know what, fuck shots. 1.00

00:41:04.000 It's got to go on my ass. 1.00

00:41:05.000 Yeah, I know. 1.00

00:41:06.000 I know.

00:41:06.000 People get creative, man.

00:41:08.000 But that is... 0.99

00:41:09.000 How the fuck... 0.99

00:41:11.000 How, like, self-destructive do you have to be? 1.00

00:41:14.000 You know what? 1.00

00:41:14.000 You have to be young and dumb. 1.00

00:41:16.000 But why in your ass? 1.00

00:41:17.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:41:18.000 I never put any drugs up my ass. 0.99

00:41:20.000 But I do remember, like, snorting, you know, an ecstasy tab. 0.99

00:41:24.000 Like, why did I need to snort it?

00:41:26.000 Why couldn't I just swallow it?

00:41:27.000 Swallowing wasn't gangsta enough.

00:41:29.000 Yeah, it wasn't going to hit me fast enough.

00:41:31.000 You know? 1.00

00:41:31.000 It's like we do stupid shit when we're young. 1.00

00:41:33.000 Chicks snorting Adderall. 1.00

00:41:34.000 That's another thing.

00:41:35.000 I remember going to this party and all the girls were snorting Adderall because they couldn't get coke. 0.72

00:41:39.000 Wow, that's so crazy.

00:41:41.000 And then what did they do?

00:41:41.000 Like clean the house and do their homework?

00:41:43.000 That's such a bad idea at a party.

00:41:46.000 I've never done Adderall either.

00:41:47.000 Me neither.

00:41:48.000 My friend, the late great Robert Schimmel, told me that he took one accidentally once.

00:41:53.000 And Robert had health conditions.

00:41:56.000 He had cancer for a while.

00:41:58.000 Yeah.

00:41:58.000 And so he didn't know if this was dangerous for him to take, so he calls his doctor.

00:42:03.000 And his doctor said, listen, you took it, you're going to be fine, but you're on a ride for the next 12 hours.

00:42:10.000 And he goes, I got so much done.

00:42:12.000 He's like, I cleaned my office, I organized my notes, I was putting them into folders and categories.

00:42:19.000 It's like subtle meth behavior.

00:42:22.000 It really is.

00:42:23.000 And that's the thing.

00:42:23.000 These kids take it every day.

00:42:25.000 They take it every day.

00:42:26.000 They're on low levels of meth every day.

00:42:28.000 And it's perfectly legal.

00:42:31.000 And their parents tell them, you behave much better when you're on this.

00:42:35.000 I mean, it's nuts.

00:42:36.000 I've never been one, like I said, I haven't done drugs in many, many years.

00:42:39.000 But when I did do drugs, I was much more into downers than uppers.

00:42:43.000 Uppers made me jittery. 1.00

00:42:46.000 They made me feel like shit. 0.99

00:42:47.000 And I couldn't sleep, which I hated. 1.00

00:42:48.000 I love drugs that you could just fall asleep on.

00:42:51.000 I have done ketamine before.

00:42:53.000 Did you do the intramuscular?

00:42:55.000 I hated it.

00:42:55.000 No, I snorted it.

00:42:56.000 I did not like it at all.

00:42:58.000 I felt so sick.

00:42:59.000 I went into a hole for a little bit.

00:43:01.000 I felt so sick.

00:43:02.000 I was lying on my bed with a friend of mine, and we were just like, we were touching kind of, but it would be like, if you move, I'm going to throw up, and if I move, you're going to throw up.

00:43:12.000 And you just sit there, and I remember floating around my apartment, kind of listening to other people's conversations.

00:43:18.000 Did it seem like everything was slow?

00:43:19.000 I tried to walk up stairs and it was slow.

00:43:22.000 It was horrible.

00:43:24.000 I just remember thinking, this is not fun.

00:43:26.000 But all of my friends who did it, they used to do it.

00:43:29.000 I only tried it the one time.

00:43:30.000 And they did just as much as I did.

00:43:32.000 And they were just totally normal.

00:43:33.000 You build up a tolerance.

00:43:35.000 They're just walking around like, man, it's fun to be on ketamine.

00:43:38.000 It becomes addictive.

00:43:41.000 I'm glad that I hated it then.

00:43:43.000 I knew one guy who lost his life to it.

00:43:46.000 This guy was an MMA guy.

00:43:48.000 He somehow or another got addicted to it.

00:43:50.000 Well, and I could see that too because it really numbs the pain.

00:43:53.000 I think that's why people are like, you don't feel anything when you're on it.

00:43:56.000 But the issue though for me was that there's other guys that have taken it recreationally and have these crazy experiences on it.

00:44:03.000 But I think they do it intermuscularly.

00:44:06.000 So they can do like a much lower dose probably?

00:44:08.000 I don't know if it's a lower dose?

00:44:10.000 Because if you take too much ketamine, you can't move.

00:44:12.000 It paralyzes you.

00:44:14.000 Well, Lily used to take... 1.00

00:44:15.000 John Lily, the guy who invented the isolation tank, he used to take it and go into the tank.

00:44:21.000 I could see that because then you wouldn't be able to feel anything.

00:44:24.000 Todd McCormick's first trip in the tank.

00:44:30.000 He took a trip in Lily's tank.

00:44:33.000 Lily put him in the tank and then Lily said, do you want ketamine with this? 1.00

00:44:37.000 And he was like, well, fuck it. 1.00

00:44:38.000 I gotta say yes. 1.00

00:44:39.000 John Lilly asked me if I want to do ketamine.

00:44:41.000 He goes, all right, here you go.

00:44:42.000 Boom. 0.99

00:44:43.000 He stabs him in the leg with it, hits the plunger, and sends him to the fucking darkest regions of the universe, floating in an isolation tank the first time ever doing ketamine. 1.00

00:44:54.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:44:54.000 Didn't he also have a dolphin fucking tank, too, that he fucked dolphins in? 1.00

00:44:58.000 No. 1.00

00:44:58.000 No, no, no. 1.00

00:45:00.000 Lilly did not fuck dolphins, but what he did do that was... 0.98

00:45:03.000 What does private diaries say? 0.98

00:45:04.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:45:05.000 Brian, you're so confused.

00:45:07.000 You don't know the real history.

00:45:08.000 What is happening right now?

00:45:10.000 Infowars.com, ladies and gentlemen!

00:45:12.000 That's what's happening!

00:45:14.000 No, but the reason why Brian's saying that, he did do a lot of experience with dolphins.

00:45:19.000 He actually was a pioneer in interspecies communication.

00:45:23.000 He was trying to figure out dolphin languages and stuff.

00:45:26.000 And the way he was doing it was on acid.

00:45:29.000 For real.

00:45:30.000 And with isolation tanks.

00:45:32.000 And at one point, you put an isolation tank right next to a dolphin tank who was trying to communicate with them.

00:45:37.000 Yeah, it's pretty funny how, like, this is the definition of bad science right here.

00:45:41.000 It's like, I'm just going to do all of these experiments on acid, record my findings, and tell people I talk to dolphins. 1.00

00:45:48.000 And you know you fuck those dolphins. 1.00

00:45:50.000 Well, not only that, it's like, we have not, we can't, like, there's not an app where you can go to the zoo and talk to the dolphins. 1.00

00:45:56.000 No, exactly, yeah. 0.98

00:45:57.000 We don't really know what the fuck they're saying. 0.99

00:45:59.000 It just kills. 0.98

00:46:00.000 How do we know his research was valid?

00:46:02.000 He's like, well, you know, three chirps means he's happy.

00:46:04.000 Exactly.

00:46:05.000 And definitely not reliable, because I'm sure nobody else has been able to repeat those studies.

00:46:09.000 Well, dolphin noises are a real weird one for us.

00:46:11.000 They're so alien.

00:46:13.000 Like, the sound is so...

00:46:15.000 It's so alien and bizarre for us to even wrap our head around the fact that it's a language.

00:46:20.000 It's not a language in a linear, progressive way, the way the English language is structured or the sounds that we make with our mouths.

00:46:31.000 But they are communicating.

00:46:32.000 But they're also doing echolocation, which is really cool.

00:46:35.000 I think it's so cool when you see a dolphin or a bat doing echolocation so that they can get around. 0.96

00:46:40.000 It's really interesting to think about the fact that some humans who have been blind, typically congenitally blind, blind from birth, can actually do that echolocation.

00:46:50.000 There are some great YouTube videos of one kid who could skateboard.

00:46:54.000 I mean, he could do everything.

00:46:55.000 He actually since then passed away.

00:46:56.000 I think he had a stroke.

00:46:58.000 But I mean, he was a fascinating person because He had just such evolved echolocation skills.

00:47:03.000 He would just click.

00:47:04.000 And he could hear.

00:47:05.000 He could just sense them.

00:47:06.000 I should say sense, not even hear.

00:47:08.000 Because it was probably so much more heightened than just hearing.

00:47:10.000 Just sense them bouncing back to him constantly and know where he was in space from.

00:47:15.000 It's so fascinating how there are...

00:47:18.000 You know, perceptual things that we probably completely take for granted because we have eyes or because we have ears that organisms that are much kind of behind us on the evolutionary timescale can utilize that are just probably, you know, kind of latent in us.

00:47:35.000 And if for some reason we lose some sort of ability, we could, you know, develop something like echolocation and use it to our advantage.

00:47:44.000 Most people would never think to do it because we can see, so we don't need to.

00:47:47.000 And seeing is a much more advanced way to navigate your surroundings.

00:47:51.000 We should tape a bunch of bats to some dolphins, guys, and get in an isolation tank. 1.00

00:47:57.000 Fuck the bats first. 1.00

00:47:58.000 Wait a minute, why bats? 1.00

00:48:00.000 How did the bats get in this equation?

00:48:03.000 Yeah, they used the echo.

00:48:04.000 Oh, echolocation.

00:48:05.000 But speaking of...

00:48:06.000 Echo, the reluctant dolphin.

00:48:08.000 Going back to drugs.

00:48:10.000 When you said that this guy...

00:48:11.000 Like ketamine for the first time in the isolation tank.

00:48:13.000 The first time I ever did GHB. Has anybody here ever done GHB? Yes.

00:48:20.000 The first time I ever did...

00:48:21.000 We actually...

00:48:21.000 We were doing lactone.

00:48:22.000 Like a friend of ours made it.

00:48:23.000 So it was like I think the precursor to GHB. But the first time I ever tried it, I was also on...

00:48:29.000 What?

00:48:30.000 Oh my god.

00:48:31.000 And I was at my friend's apartment. 1.00

00:48:34.000 Cara, you sound like a hell of a fucking party. 0.99

00:48:35.000 I do, but I really wasn't. 1.00

00:48:37.000 I've just had some crazy experience.

00:48:39.000 Did you grow up here in California?

00:48:40.000 I grew up in Texas.

00:48:41.000 Oh, that's why.

00:48:42.000 What part?

00:48:42.000 What is there to do in Texas?

00:48:43.000 Like a suburb of Dallas called Plano.

00:48:45.000 Oh.

00:48:46.000 They do a lot of ecstasy in Dallas.

00:48:48.000 Yeah.

00:48:50.000 And I remember being in a friend's apartment doing X and then trying GHB and just sitting there.

00:48:57.000 I mean, I was trashed out of my mind.

00:48:59.000 And we're all sitting there.

00:49:00.000 It's really quiet.

00:49:01.000 And then they started playing.

00:49:01.000 It was the first time I'd ever heard the band Mr. Bungle.

00:49:04.000 Oh, yes.

00:49:04.000 Who I love.

00:49:05.000 I love Mike Patton.

00:49:06.000 But it was the weirdest experience of my...

00:49:12.000 If you've never listened to Mr. Bungle, imagine listening to Mr. Bungle on heavy, heavy doses of Ecstasy and GHP. I've never done GHP, nor have I listened to Mr. Bungle.

00:49:22.000 You should.

00:49:23.000 You'd love it.

00:49:23.000 I recommend Mr. Bungle.

00:49:24.000 Maybe.

00:49:24.000 Do you like Fake No More?

00:49:27.000 I think you'd love Mr. Bungle.

00:49:28.000 I'm the same guy.

00:49:30.000 Prepare yourself right now, by the way, for a wave of Twitter hate. 1.00

00:49:34.000 From people who think, fake no more is fucking gay! 1.00

00:49:38.000 Oh no! 1.00

00:49:40.000 Come in in giant tsunamis of homophobia.

00:49:44.000 Let's talk about some. 0.99

00:49:45.000 Fake no more, you fucking kidding me? 0.99

00:49:47.000 Oh no! 0.99

00:49:48.000 The young kids, they don't get it.

00:49:49.000 They don't get it.

00:49:50.000 They don't get the punk rock.

00:49:51.000 Not only that, these young kids have not realized that it's okay if somebody likes something that you don't like.

00:49:57.000 It's okay.

00:49:57.000 You don't have to hate.

00:49:58.000 You don't have to get mad.

00:49:59.000 I got a tweet yesterday that was directed to both of us.

00:50:02.000 It was like, Joe!

00:50:03.000 Ask Kara about her stance on GMOs because she was obviously bought off by Monsanto.

00:50:07.000 And because I was pretty outspoken about, what was it, Prop 37?

00:50:12.000 I saw that.

00:50:12.000 I watched that.

00:50:13.000 Yeah, and I voted no.

00:50:14.000 And everybody, like, really gets pissed.

00:50:16.000 Well, explain to everybody, if you could, what Prop 37 represented.

00:50:19.000 I think it was 37. Am I mixing them up?

00:50:21.000 I think you're right.

00:50:22.000 35 or 37. Yeah, it was a while ago.

00:50:24.000 Whatever it was.

00:50:24.000 So it was a bill that they were trying to pass or a proposition that they were trying to pass.

00:50:28.000 It was the labeling initiative for GMOs in California.

00:50:31.000 And I voted against the labeling initiative.

00:50:33.000 And all of my liberals – because I'm super liberal.

00:50:35.000 I'm not even a Democrat.

00:50:37.000 I would call myself just a progressive, independent.

00:50:40.000 And the funny thing is, though, that I find, like, on my column on HuffPost, I write about science.

00:50:45.000 Fundamentally, I am pro-science.

00:50:47.000 I'm pro-reason.

00:50:49.000 I'm anti-religion. 0.99

00:50:50.000 I'm a strong atheist.

00:50:51.000 It's tied into my views with science.

00:50:55.000 My views about some of these things, like animal research or like genetically modified organisms, they are informed by my studies of the scientific literature.

00:51:04.000 They're not informed by my party affiliation or, you know, by my political views.

00:51:10.000 So that's where sometimes, you know, generally I think scientific thinkers and left-wingers are in the same camps.

00:51:16.000 But once in a while, I think you have these left-wing anti-science views or pseudoscience views that come up against each other.

00:51:22.000 So I'm very...

00:51:23.000 And you believe that genetically modified food is that?

00:51:26.000 I think that genetically modified organisms are extremely important.

00:51:29.000 And I think that we probably don't realize how much of them we already eat.

00:51:33.000 Like, 70% of the food on the shelves in the grocery store is genetically modified.

00:51:36.000 And I'm not against labeling our food.

00:51:38.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:51:39.000 When I voted against the labeling initiative, I wasn't voting against putting a label on food.

00:51:45.000 I was voting against the way that the labeling initiative was presented.

00:51:49.000 I don't think that it should be a local initiative.

00:51:51.000 I think that it should be a federal initiative.

00:51:53.000 And I think that it's arbitrary to choose GMO as the thing that we're gonna all suffer from if we don't label it on our food.

00:52:02.000 What do you believe is what's most important about genetically modifying foods?

00:52:08.000 Why is it so important?

00:52:09.000 What is the misconception?

00:52:10.000 Because my conception of it has always been, my perception of it rather, of reading articles that a lot of people are concerned with the long-term consequences of eating certain Foods that have been significantly changed to the point where they can resist pesticides,

00:52:26.000 they have all these strange antibiotic properties, and they worry about the long-term consequences of consuming these unnatural foods.

00:52:36.000 Okay, so I think two points that I can make in direct response to that.

00:52:40.000 I think it's fair to say that they're worried about long-term consequences because they haven't been around long enough to see those consequences.

00:52:47.000 But so far, every legitimate lab experiment that has been done has shown no deleterious effects.

00:52:53.000 The big rat study with the tumors has been, you know, completely debunked.

00:52:57.000 What was that?

00:52:58.000 Was that just a lie?

00:53:00.000 It was just bad science.

00:53:00.000 Well, no, it was bad science because the truth is the types of rats that they were doing the study on...

00:53:06.000 They were bitch-ass rats? 1.00

00:53:07.000 They tend to get tumors anyway. 1.00

00:53:08.000 Oh, really?

00:53:09.000 And so they weren't really doing a good job of comparing the controls to the experimental model there.

00:53:15.000 But so...

00:53:16.000 So nothing has been shown?

00:53:18.000 No, no.

00:53:19.000 There's no evidence.

00:53:20.000 I mean, just no good evidence.

00:53:22.000 So everybody's just freaking out?

00:53:22.000 Everybody's freaking out because they're going, well, it sounds dangerous, so it could be dangerous.

00:53:27.000 And so that, first of all, makes me worried.

00:53:29.000 And then also, I think it's the lexicon that we use.

00:53:33.000 It's this natural versus unnatural.

00:53:35.000 This kind of like, Whole Foods is better because it's all natural.

00:53:39.000 And just the word natural is hilarious to me because Organisms, especially plants, mostly what we're talking about here are plants, like fruits and vegetables, they have been genetically modifying themselves for hundreds of thousands of years.

00:53:55.000 They swap genes all the time.

00:53:58.000 And then once agriculture began, we started genetically modifying all of these organisms by doing crossbreeding.

00:54:04.000 We would take, you know, the healthiest looking tomatoes and breed it only with the other really healthy looking tomatoes.

00:54:09.000 And what we were really doing is solidifying that certain genes were going to be passed down and other genes were going to be weeded out.

00:54:15.000 Now what we do is we put individual genes into the plants.

00:54:19.000 So whereas we used to swap something like 50,000 genes without even knowing the specifics of what we were changing, now that we can do it with biotechnology in the lab, we can swap out one or two genes.

00:54:30.000 And somehow that's more frightening to the general public than 50,000 genes being swapped.

00:54:36.000 And so that's the part that I don't really understand people's arguments.

00:54:39.000 So when you're coming at it, you're coming at it, you think from a position of science where you say the evidence against it is really most of it's just confused people?

00:54:48.000 I think that there's a lot of fear-mongering, first of all.

00:54:51.000 And the truth is, if you don't want to eat GMOs because you're not sure, you don't have to.

00:54:55.000 Trust me, the companies that don't use genetically modified organisms in their food already label their packages as such because they use it as a marketing ploy.

00:55:03.000 They're not going to miss out on that chance.

00:55:05.000 So for us to have to mandate a label, That says, this is genetically modified food, is really going to come across to the regular consumer as, warning!

00:55:13.000 This is genetically modified food, when there's no reason to warn people.

00:55:17.000 The FDA's job is to warn people if there's a potential risk.

00:55:20.000 There's no risk of eating GMOs.

00:55:22.000 And all the evidence so far says that they're perfectly healthy.

00:55:25.000 What about the Chinese studies that showed that it's not just vitamins and protein that some GMOs are providing to the body, but your body is absorbing microRNA?

00:55:37.000 I don't know.

00:55:37.000 I haven't read those studies.

00:55:39.000 I'd be interested to see it.

00:55:40.000 But I would also be interested to see if non-GMOs are also doing that.

00:55:44.000 Yeah, that's a good point.

00:55:45.000 That's a good point.

00:55:46.000 Yeah.

00:55:47.000 I mean, it's a tough situation, and the truth is that scientists aren't monolithic on this.

00:55:52.000 Not all scientists agree.

00:55:53.000 Many scientists voted to label.

00:55:55.000 But isn't the real issue that if there is something wrong, especially in the future, if it shortens people's lifespans in some ways, causes some problem, it's going to be really hard to stop once it's already in place.

00:56:09.000 But it already is in place.

00:56:10.000 That's the thing.

00:56:11.000 I mean, it's not like not labeling it now is going to make it be more in place.

00:56:14.000 We're already eating.

00:56:15.000 70% of our food is already genetically modified.

00:56:17.000 And you don't think there's any danger about that at all?

00:56:20.000 I'm not concerned about it.

00:56:21.000 I'm really not.

00:56:22.000 And you know what?

00:56:23.000 The truth is, in essence, it helps people.

00:56:25.000 And sometimes I worry if these kinds of conversations that I would be having, like when I would do appearances on The Young Turks, for example, which I think is a really great network, and I'll sit on with them a lot just to kind of talk science with them.

00:56:36.000 But there's a very strong liberal view on the shows, and so a lot of the people will write in and they'll ask about these things.

00:56:43.000 And I think that sometimes, I know it might sound a little bit offensive, but it's kind of like a first-world problem.

00:56:48.000 Like, it's kind of like a one-percenter problem to be worrying about eating these genetically modified organisms.

00:56:53.000 The reason that...

00:56:56.000 Farmers, the reason that biotechnologists in these university laboratories are doing genetic modification is so that we could feed more people safely and healthily.

00:57:06.000 So that people who don't have access to a lot of nutritious food can eat, for example, golden rice that gives them certain vitamins that they wouldn't have been able to get if they were just eating white rice.

00:57:16.000 It's so that these foods can have a longer shelf life so that they last longer so that more people can consume them.

00:57:21.000 But we're looking at it through American eyes, from an American perspective, where we constantly waste food, where we have so much money that we can eat, you know, we try to make our food as clean as possible.

00:57:32.000 And, I mean, that's fair.

00:57:33.000 And I'm not shitting on people who want to eat pure, organic food, but I don't like the holier-than-thou attitude that somehow they're healthier because they do it, because there's no evidence to support that.

00:57:44.000 That's my stance.

00:57:45.000 Well, you know, it seems like you've thought this through a lot more than I have.

00:57:51.000 My views on it have always been that if you look under genetically modified foods, you look online, the majority, the vast majority...

00:58:01.000 Of the articles about it are danger articles.

00:58:04.000 Exactly.

00:58:04.000 So you feel like that's all just scaremongering?

00:58:07.000 I think a lot of it is.

00:58:09.000 And I think that also there's this idea that, well, if Monsanto is in on it, it must be evil.

00:58:14.000 And I get that, because Monsanto is an evil, evil company.

00:58:17.000 But I also think that...

00:58:18.000 We need to separate in our minds the difference between bad business practices and greedy capitalistic practices and the basic science that goes into it.

00:58:27.000 And I know it's hard to do.

00:58:29.000 It's hard to separate those things.

00:58:30.000 But just because I voted no and Monsanto voted no doesn't mean that I'm in bed with Monsanto, for example.

00:58:37.000 But I do see it seems like an easy thing to do to go, oh, Monsanto's for this?

00:58:42.000 Well, then I'm automatically against it.

00:58:44.000 It makes sense to me.

00:58:45.000 Honestly, of all the other arguments, that's the argument that I appreciate the most. 0.99

00:58:50.000 Like when people go, I voted for it because fuck Monsanto. 0.98

00:58:52.000 I'm like, yeah, okay, I'll give you that. 0.99

00:58:55.000 If anybody needs to do mushrooms and look at their life, it's the people that rung Monsanto.

00:58:59.000 I agree.

00:59:00.000 I agree.

00:59:01.000 The suicides that are connected to them just in India alone...

00:59:05.000 It's terrifying.

00:59:06.000 It's sad.

00:59:07.000 Hundreds of thousands of people who couldn't pay off their seeds, couldn't afford to run their farms. 0.78

00:59:13.000 Yeah, it's disgusting.

00:59:13.000 I mean, and talk about like a civil liberties, a human rights issue right there.

00:59:17.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

00:59:18.000 It is crazy. 1.00

00:59:19.000 And you look at that number, like the number...

00:59:21.000 I'll just pull it up right now.

00:59:22.000 Sure. 1.00

00:59:22.000 Indian suicide is due to Monsanto because it's fucking bizarre. 1.00

00:59:25.000 And it's so sad because I feel like so many hardworking, you know, university scientists who don't get a dime from companies like Monsanto are working really hard to manipulate these organisms for the reason of helping people, you know, in order to feed more people that are going hungry. 0.99

00:59:41.000 For some of that research to become bastardized once this huge company can kind of put restrictions on people's ability to get food or grow food in their own indigenous farms in their backyards, it's disgusting.

00:59:53.000 It's so sick. 0.95

00:59:54.000 And you know what? 0.95

00:59:56.000 Instead of doing this, if they just provided them at a more reasonable rate in a more reasonable way and worked with these farmers, they would continue to get a certain amount of money from them instead of raping them and taking it all.

01:00:11.000 They could have a nice business with these people and continue to profit and everybody do well.

01:00:17.000 But they have connected 200,000 suicides in India throughout the past decade to Monsanto. 0.99

01:00:24.000 That's so fucking crazy. 0.88

01:00:28.000 And it's also 200,000 people, if you think about it, who are no longer working and making money. 0.97

01:00:33.000 And these are 200,000 people who are probably very poor and probably could never raise enough money to levy a legitimate lawsuit against this company.

01:00:39.000 Of course.

01:00:40.000 And I mean, it's just, it's mortifying.

01:00:41.000 And it's the same thing that we see, I feel like, with big pharma.

01:00:45.000 And this is another big problem, where people will lump in biomedical research.

01:00:51.000 They'll lump in research on drug efficacy with big pharma.

01:00:56.000 And there are, don't get me wrong, there are a lot of connections there.

01:00:58.000 But what's wrong, I think, with the way that drugs are prescribed in this country, what's wrong with the amount of kind of danger linked to drugs in this country has little to do with the fact that drugs are being developed that can help people.

01:01:10.000 And it has everything to do with how these drugs are being marketed.

01:01:13.000 We're the only developed country in the world where we can have commercials for pharmaceuticals on television because we shouldn't be asking our doctor if so-and-so is right for Our doctor should be telling us what we should be taking.

01:01:26.000 We should have the ability to take generics of things if we want to.

01:01:32.000 Drugs should be affordable for people.

01:01:34.000 I'm for universal healthcare.

01:01:36.000 I definitely think that that would change a lot of these problems.

01:01:38.000 But again, I think that a lot of liberal thinkers They end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater and they throw the science out with the terrible company practices.

01:01:47.000 And that is kind of sad to me because I think the fundamental science that's being done to develop drugs that actually help people is amazing.

01:01:55.000 It's crazy that they tell you what would be wrong with you if you need this stuff.

01:02:00.000 Then you go to your doctor and you're like, dude, I got that same problem.

01:02:03.000 I'm thinking I need this stuff. 0.99

01:02:06.000 It's so unfair because all those people in those commercials have got their shit together. 0.97

01:02:11.000 They're holding hands. 0.99

01:02:12.000 They look great!

01:02:13.000 They're walking together on the beach and everybody's smiling.

01:02:16.000 I mean, I saw a commercial the other day for a drug for COPD medicine.

01:02:19.000 COPD is chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

01:02:22.000 That's bronchitis and emphysema combined.

01:02:25.000 And the woman's like, now that I take my COPD medicine, I can do everything. 0.91

01:02:29.000 And I'm like, no, that woman would hardly be able to get off the couch. 1.00

01:02:32.000 Even if you're medicated for COPD, your life is really tough.

01:02:36.000 You can't breathe.

01:02:37.000 You cannot breathe.

01:02:38.000 And this chick was just running around? 1.00

01:02:40.000 She's just like, I'm fine now that I take my inhaler or whatever.

01:02:43.000 And it's like, people know, if you have COPD, you know what your options are.

01:02:48.000 You're suffering, and you've talked to your doctor about how to fix this, you know?

01:02:51.000 And so to have all of that information readily available by your physician, I think, is important.

01:02:56.000 But to advertise it on television?

01:02:58.000 Are you kidding me?

01:02:59.000 How did they sneak that through?

01:03:00.000 How did that become a reality in modern America?

01:03:03.000 Lobbies?

01:03:03.000 Isn't that incredible?

01:03:04.000 In Congress?

01:03:05.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:03:06.000 It's really incredible, some of the shit that's legal. 0.97

01:03:09.000 I know. 0.98

01:03:09.000 It's really strange. 0.98

01:03:11.000 It's depressing.

01:03:12.000 It's really depressing.

01:03:14.000 In this day and age, we have...

01:03:19.000 With the access to information that we have, the culture hasn't really caught up to what everyone knows.

01:03:25.000 So the reality of what everyone knows about the insanity of the economy and how it's all structured, the reality of drug laws, the reality of law enforcement, and the reality of ever-increasing civil liberties violations where people have to fight for what used to be what we considered a part of being an American.

01:03:47.000 Proud to be an American because at least I know I'm free.

01:03:49.000 It's supposed to be free. 0.99

01:03:50.000 It's not supposed to be a place where someone's looking at every fucking email you send and listening to every phone call you make. 0.98

01:03:56.000 It's not supposed to be that. 0.95

01:03:58.000 And even outside of America, I mean, that's, I think, a really sad part of the civil liberties violations is like looking at just the sheer amount of like bombings and drone strikes.

01:04:06.000 It's horrific.

01:04:07.000 You know, innocent deaths just across the board.

01:04:09.000 And to see us do the same type of tactics, even in a lesser form, that we're seeing dictators do in other countries like Egypt, where people are riding in the streets because this guy's turned himself into a dictator.

01:04:22.000 We're seeing those incremental steps.

01:04:26.000 Right, behind the cover of darkness.

01:04:28.000 Yeah, like on New Year's Eve, they'll do certain bills, they'll release them on New Year's Eve, so everybody has to go back and look at it.

01:04:34.000 And it's our guy.

01:04:34.000 It's not Dick Cheney.

01:04:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:36.000 That's our guy.

01:04:37.000 He couldn't be doing that.

01:04:38.000 Well, they're not publicizing that he's doing that, but they are.

01:04:41.000 I mean, it's rough.

01:04:43.000 It's very strange. 0.98

01:04:44.000 Yeah, Obama has taken a lot of this Patriot Act shit that Bush put into play and just amped it up so badly. 0.99

01:04:51.000 The dronings, amped up the dronings. 0.99

01:04:52.000 The warrantless wiretapping.

01:04:54.000 And the idea that they could detain American civilians with no recourse.

01:05:00.000 You can't get a lawyer.

01:05:02.000 You can't talk to anybody about it.

01:05:03.000 They don't have to let anybody know where you are.

01:05:05.000 They don't have to inform your family.

01:05:07.000 They can just take you.

01:05:08.000 That's insane.

01:05:09.000 You know, we do have the internet at our fingertips.

01:05:11.000 I have my iPad right here, and I've got my iPhone, and I'm looking at Twitter, and I can constantly access anything I want.

01:05:16.000 But it's just as easy to read an article on Politico as it is to go to, like, lolcats.

01:05:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:05:22.000 Or WorldStarHipHop.

01:05:24.000 Exactly.

01:05:25.000 And so I think that...

01:05:27.000 Yeah, was that, like, a lame out-of-date reference?

01:05:29.000 Do people still go to, like...

01:05:30.000 Like the hamster dance!

01:05:31.000 Yeah, like, I can have cheeseburger.

01:05:33.000 Are people still doing this?

01:05:34.000 The hamster dance! 1.00

01:05:34.000 You remember that Amsterdam was the shit at one point in time, remember? 1.00

01:05:38.000 Everybody was like, oh my god, this is so cute. 0.99

01:05:40.000 This is so cute.

01:05:41.000 Terrible resolution.

01:05:42.000 But you know, I'd rather, I mean, sometimes I would rather watch a bad lip reading than an actual, you know, presidential debate or something on YouTube. 0.99

01:05:50.000 You get offended as an intelligent person when you hear politicians talk in that political bullshit way. 0.99

01:05:56.000 Oh, hell yeah. 1.00

01:05:56.000 You should see... 1.00

01:05:57.000 Wait until...

01:05:57.000 I just want to tell everybody, please log on on Monday to HuffPost Science because I'm releasing a new video where I just, like, rail into Marco Rubio.

01:06:06.000 I rail into...

01:06:07.000 Who's Marco Rubio?

01:06:08.000 Marco Rubio is the senator from Florida who was interviewed by GQ recently and just kind of hemmed and hawed when they asked him, how old is the earth?

01:06:17.000 And instead of saying up front, 4.5 billion years, he said, whoa, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:06:21.000 I'm not a scientist, and I can't really say, and there's a lot of debate with theologians and scientists.

01:06:28.000 Well, there is a lot of debate between theologians and scientists.

01:06:31.000 Yeah, that is true.

01:06:33.000 That's like saying there's a lot of debate between winos and cops as to what the law is.

01:06:39.000 That's also true.

01:06:40.000 But you know, it's not just that. 1.00

01:06:41.000 Man, this is the law under this bridge, motherfucker! 1.00

01:06:45.000 And it's not just that. 1.00

01:06:46.000 You know, I rail into some of the guys that recently got voted out of office, like Walsh and Aiken.

01:06:52.000 I talk about...

01:06:53.000 Are you, like, super political?

01:06:54.000 You're following all this nonsense?

01:06:55.000 I mean, I try to. 1.00

01:06:56.000 It's a fucking puppet show. 1.00

01:06:57.000 Especially when science comes into play. 1.00

01:06:59.000 This guy, Brown, who sits on the fucking House Science Committee. 0.99

01:07:04.000 And he thinks that evolution, embryology, and all this nonsense about the Big Bang Theory are lies from the pit of hell, is what he said publicly in front of a wall of deer heads, by the way. 0.99

01:07:17.000 I mean, it's mortifying that these people...

01:07:19.000 Sounds like my kind of guy.

01:07:20.000 Yeah.

01:07:20.000 There are so many global warming deniers, evolution deniers, who are sitting on the House Committee for Science, Space, and Technology.

01:07:29.000 And these people have jurisdiction over the National Science Foundation, over NASA, over the U.S. Agricultural Service.

01:07:38.000 I mean, it's so scary. 0.99

01:07:39.000 And they're all just fucking Republican, Texan, oil money, you know, lobbies are lining their pockets. 0.99

01:07:45.000 It's so scary. 0.99

01:07:46.000 The global warming one is a really strange one.

01:07:49.000 I was a little nervous about this because I saw some tweets coming in.

01:07:54.000 Well, you know what?

01:07:55.000 It's a fascinating thing because for whatever reason, it's become this sort of right-wing talking point.

01:08:02.000 It has.

01:08:02.000 And it's like something that people get like real reactionary with.

01:08:06.000 And they get real...

01:08:07.000 They have like a built-in...

01:08:09.000 Instead of reactionary, they have a built-in answer.

01:08:12.000 And, you know, someone brings up, what about global warming?

01:08:14.000 It's a cycle.

01:08:16.000 It's a natural cycle.

01:08:17.000 Yeah, or they go, it's a hoax.

01:08:18.000 Some of these guys have called it a hoax.

01:08:19.000 It's all pseudoscience, but it's this weird, aggressive, right-wing thing.

01:08:25.000 People get aggressive because it's become so politicized.

01:08:28.000 99.9% of scientists agree that the Earth is getting warmer and that human carbon emissions are highly contributing to this.

01:08:34.000 Right. 0.96

01:08:34.000 Now, how the fuck is that an emotional issue? 0.96

01:08:37.000 Like, what is it? 0.97

01:08:38.000 I don't know.

01:08:38.000 What is that?

01:08:38.000 I don't know.

01:08:40.000 It's weird.

01:08:40.000 And it's so funny how many of these...

01:08:42.000 You start to see these people flip-flopping lately because they can't hold on to this kind of archaic, you know, just embedded, seeped in such intense religion.

01:08:52.000 They can't hold on to these views anymore.

01:08:54.000 We saw Pat Robertson the other day on the 700 Club.

01:08:57.000 Like, Pat Robertson, the televangelist, the old guy going on about, like...

01:09:01.000 Yeah.

01:09:17.000 All the science says that it's old.

01:09:19.000 We know it's 4.5 billion years old.

01:09:21.000 We have radiocarbon dating.

01:09:22.000 Man never lived with dinosaurs.

01:09:24.000 We have frozen dinosaur carcasses in the Dakotas.

01:09:29.000 And it's like, thank God...

01:09:32.000 Are you just thanking God for Pat Robertson?

01:09:34.000 I just thank God for Pat, the God in which I do not believe, for Pat Robertson because he's, I mean, granted, he's still a total piece of work, and he said earlier this year that atheists are trying to steal Christmas.

01:09:44.000 They are.

01:09:44.000 And I'm very concerned.

01:09:46.000 They are trying to steal Christmas.

01:09:47.000 But, hey, don't take Christmas away from me. 1.00

01:09:49.000 Christmas was for the pagans first, so fuck all y'all. 1.00

01:09:51.000 Yeah, but it became Christmas and more cool once the Christians got involved. 1.00

01:09:55.000 I disagree. 1.00

01:09:56.000 Organize those fucking pagans. 1.00

01:09:57.000 Otherwise, they'd be out there with a fire circle living in grass huts like the old school pagans. 1.00

01:10:02.000 That sounds like fun. 1.00

01:10:03.000 They would have never got their shit together unless the Christians came along and dominated those bulls. 1.00

01:10:07.000 But I will say that I am still happy that Pat Robertson came out. 1.00

01:10:12.000 Oh, yeah.

01:10:12.000 Yeah, that's a strange one.

01:10:13.000 Pseudo voice of reason there.

01:10:15.000 That's a strange one.

01:10:16.000 I know.

01:10:16.000 The 6,000-year-old one is way more bizarre than the global warming one.

01:10:20.000 Well, and that is...

01:10:21.000 The global warming one, what's odd about it is that it's an aggressive one.

01:10:23.000 It's aggressive.

01:10:24.000 It's that people are like, listen, it's been around.

01:10:26.000 It's a natural cycle.

01:10:27.000 They've got ice core samples.

01:10:29.000 They'll show me.

01:10:29.000 It's like that typical...

01:10:31.000 Did I just hit the camera?

01:10:32.000 I don't know.

01:10:32.000 It's like that typical...

01:10:33.000 Is she okay, Brian?

01:10:35.000 Yeah.

01:10:36.000 How's the hair?

01:10:37.000 Are we doing okay? 0.99

01:10:38.000 That weird conservative fucking talk show radio guy voice. 0.99

01:10:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:10:43.000 But same thing with evolution. 0.99

01:10:45.000 It's the same thing with evolution.

01:10:46.000 I mean, I think people are less, you know, they're more about like, well, we just need to allow kids to learn all the different options.

01:10:53.000 And they try to go about it kind of in a smarter way.

01:10:56.000 But it's the same thing.

01:10:57.000 And this is all the stuff that I rail into.

01:10:58.000 In this video on Monday.

01:11:00.000 And at one point, I basically talk about why creationists think the Earth is 6,000 years old.

01:11:05.000 And then I take you back all the way to the beginning of time, 6,000 years ago. 0.96

01:11:11.000 And there's like whole fucking civilizations all over the globe, you know, like. 0.95

01:11:15.000 Humans have been evolving for hundreds of thousands of years and there's beautiful pottery and boats and plows. 0.99

01:11:23.000 There's agriculture.

01:11:24.000 People are doing math already.

01:11:25.000 They were deep sea fishing.

01:11:26.000 It's like insane that anybody could believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

01:11:31.000 It's just a huge block.

01:11:32.000 That's what it is.

01:11:33.000 It's cognitive dissonance.

01:11:34.000 They know it has to be older because they've been to a museum and they've read a textbook.

01:11:40.000 But they feel guilty.

01:11:42.000 There's this guilt that's built into their faith that says, I don't know, if I don't believe this, I might not end up in heaven and God is going to punish me.

01:11:49.000 And I know it's difficult, but he's just testing my faith.

01:11:52.000 And it's so sad that they're locked into that.

01:11:54.000 It's so sad that these religions can't be more flexible and more progressive.

01:11:57.000 I wouldn't be so anti-religion if I saw more progressive religion out there.

01:12:01.000 I have friends that are in progressive...

01:12:04.000 Christian denominations, and I respect that. 0.97

01:12:06.000 I mean, I think it's bullshit, and I can't believe they believe what they believe, but I'm not gonna, you know, say that they shouldn't. 0.97

01:12:11.000 I think religions are a type of operating system for a human being, and I think that a lot of people need some set of rules and regulations and something to look forward to when it all ends and something, you know, the idea of the vast Just expanse of the universe and the insignificant aspect of your life in relationship to everything you see in relation to everything you see in the cosmos. 0.97

01:12:36.000 Yeah. 0.75

01:12:36.000 I think that fucks with people's heads. 0.75

01:12:38.000 Of course it does. 0.99

01:12:39.000 Of course it does.

01:12:40.000 And I think that the real problem with religions, especially like real fundamentalist religions that are like really strict, is that they stop your thinking and corner it in this trap.

01:12:53.000 And this operating system that you're operating under has this very limited range.

01:12:58.000 And if it doesn't fall in this very limited range, you really can't rationalize, you can't accept it, so you don't grow.

01:13:06.000 You can't see outside of those boundaries at all.

01:13:07.000 And everybody else is outside looking in going like, come out here with us!

01:13:10.000 So you don't grow.

01:13:11.000 The air is a little cleaner.

01:13:13.000 And it is, yeah.

01:13:14.000 But there's aspects of religion and there's aspects of worship even.

01:13:18.000 There's aspects of just worshiping and having an appreciation for life itself.

01:13:24.000 The incredible wonder of this existence.

01:13:28.000 And that alone should be worshipped.

01:13:31.000 You want to call it God?

01:13:33.000 You want to call it love?

01:13:34.000 You want to call it appreciation?

01:13:35.000 Call it something, but the wrong aspects of it They're almost like they're something that inhibits you from getting the best out of life.

01:13:49.000 The wrong aspects keep...

01:13:51.000 It's almost like it has all this love to it.

01:13:54.000 Treat your brother as if it's you and live your life in harmony and do good unto others and use these laws because they're designed to make harmony amongst men.

01:14:05.000 But then... 1.00

01:14:06.000 The crazy shit. 1.00

01:14:09.000 At some point in time, someone has to rewrite everything. 1.00

01:14:12.000 They do.

01:14:12.000 And at least some groups are starting to.

01:14:14.000 We have to throw out all this stuff and say, these are all just crazy stories.

01:14:16.000 But this is what we've learned about life.

01:14:18.000 This is what we've learned.

01:14:19.000 And add science to the equation.

01:14:21.000 This is what we actually know about the nature of reality.

01:14:24.000 Here's some confusing aspects of it.

01:14:26.000 Here's some things that we're working on trying to find answers to.

01:14:29.000 But this is what we actually know.

01:14:30.000 And we're on our way.

01:14:31.000 Exactly.

01:14:32.000 It doesn't preclude the idea of worship.

01:14:35.000 No, and you know what?

01:14:36.000 I say all the time, I don't think that science and religion are fundamentally incompatible.

01:14:42.000 I do think that science and fundamentalism are.

01:14:44.000 Anytime that you get to the fundamentals of any sort of religious mindset, yes, that is incompatible with science.

01:14:50.000 Any really strict ideology is dangerous.

01:14:52.000 Anytime.

01:14:53.000 It's very dangerous.

01:14:53.000 Even patriotism.

01:14:54.000 It's very, very dangerous.

01:14:55.000 I personally am an atheist.

01:14:57.000 I personally chose to kind of throw the baby out with the bathwater on that because I don't see anything redeeming in religion that I can't find outside of religion.

01:15:04.000 So I don't believe in anything supernatural.

01:15:06.000 I don't believe in God.

01:15:08.000 I don't believe in ghosts.

01:15:10.000 Wait a minute.

01:15:11.000 Have you not watched Ghost Hunters?

01:15:13.000 Have you not watched Ghost Hunters?

01:15:17.000 No, I have not watched Ghost Hunters.

01:15:19.000 They claim to have serious evidence.

01:15:22.000 I'm sure they do. 1.00

01:15:22.000 Backward speech, all kinds of shit. 1.00

01:15:24.000 Hey, how dare you? 1.00

01:15:25.000 James Randi.

01:15:26.000 We have one of those guys on the show.

01:15:27.000 Yeah, watch out.

01:15:28.000 But I do notice, I've noticed that you've had my friend Jason Silva on the show before.

01:15:33.000 Yes, I love that too.

01:15:33.000 And Jason has this gift.

01:15:35.000 Powerful Jason Silva.

01:15:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:36.000 And he has a gift for that kind of spiritual, almost worship-like wonder of the natural world, of the cosmos, that is not a religious thing at all, but it gives you that feeling that you get from religion.

01:15:48.000 I actually have a quote tattooed on my ribs down my left side.

01:15:52.000 That's a quote from Carl Sagan that says, we are a way for the cosmos to know itself.

01:15:56.000 And it's really powerful to me because it almost gives me that feedback that a lot of people get from religion, but I don't need to get it from religion.

01:16:04.000 I get it from kind of the wonder of the universe.

01:16:06.000 So if you really think about what he's saying is that the universe is not conscious and there is no great conscious organizer out there.

01:16:13.000 So the universe can't really reflect on itself because it can't think, but we as human beings are made of the stuff of stars.

01:16:20.000 All of the molecules in our bodies are traceable to molecular phenomena that was exploded in the furnace of a star.

01:16:27.000 So, because we are made of the stuff of stars and because our molecules organized in such a way to make us higher thinking, cognitive beings, and we can contemplate our place In the vast expanses of the universe, we are a way for the universe to know itself, for the cosmos to know itself. 0.99

01:16:44.000 And I bet you Carl Sagan was high as fuck. 0.99

01:16:46.000 He probably was, too! 1.00

01:16:48.000 He was high as fuck when he figured all that out. 1.00

01:16:51.000 Yeah, he was a big pothead. 1.00

01:16:51.000 Love that. 1.00

01:16:51.000 Well, he used to love to smoke pot and just stare at the stars. 1.00

01:16:55.000 Yep.

01:16:56.000 And that's the thing, he was a working scientist who made so many discoveries and who contributed so much to man's understanding of science, he was using a drug that wasn't, it wasn't like he was on acid and claiming to have all of these huge expanded consciousness experiences.

01:17:12.000 He was using a drug that hardly fucks you up, to be honest.

01:17:16.000 It alters your consciousness so slightly that he could still work and he could still make these incredible discoveries, but he could also find the emotional valence and the poetry in the cosmos and then tell it to us in such a way that I think that he inspired an entire generation of thinkers to grow up,

01:17:34.000 to become scientists, or at least to be scientifically literate and appreciate what nature can tell us.

01:17:40.000 And he was very open about his appreciation for cannabis and that whole quest for information.

01:17:48.000 Yeah.

01:17:48.000 He was a fascinating, fascinating guy.

01:17:50.000 He really was.

01:17:51.000 I love the fact that he was a pothead.

01:17:53.000 Yeah, you were just talking about getting high and watching Cosmos, right, before we started recording.

01:17:57.000 And are you excited about the new Cosmos that Seth MacFarlane is producing with Carl Sagan's widow, Ann Druyan, and they are going to be producing a new version for Fox hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson?

01:18:08.000 That'd be awesome, I know.

01:18:10.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:18:11.000 I know, so exciting. 0.94

01:18:12.000 I just geeked the fuck out! 0.58

01:18:13.000 Those are some of my most humble moments ever. 0.94

01:18:18.000 I got a hold of, I don't remember which series it was, but it was this 14 DVD series on the universe.

01:18:28.000 And it was one after another, just mind-blowing, incredible thing.

01:18:32.000 I had just gotten this projection thing in my house.

01:18:34.000 Uh-huh.

01:18:35.000 So it was like the sound was cool.

01:18:36.000 The image was crazy. 0.99

01:18:37.000 And for fucking days, I never left that room. 0.99

01:18:40.000 I was just watching these fucking terrifying documentaries on supernovas and the possibility of a hypernova exploding near us would just eliminate life on Earth instantaneously. 0.99

01:18:54.000 And the fact that they found out they're going on every day all over the universe. 0.97

01:18:58.000 Yeah.

01:18:59.000 They first thought there was like an alien war. 0.99

01:19:01.000 They first thought that there was a fucking alien war out in space. 0.98

01:19:05.000 They were detecting all these explosions. 0.99

01:19:07.000 And they thought that like Martians were shooting at each other.

01:19:10.000 Well, you know, you got to explore all options as scientists.

01:19:13.000 And this is something that I do every day in my job.

01:19:15.000 It's mind-blowing.

01:19:16.000 Like just yesterday, I did a Skype interview with a scientist in Washington who wrote this paper basically that shows some evidence They're not claiming that we are, but they're saying it's not completely crazy to assume that we might be a simulation.

01:19:34.000 Yes, yeah.

01:19:35.000 We've talked about that like a hundred times in the show.

01:19:37.000 Yeah, and there's like legitimate evidence there that if we can simulate The fundamental workings of our own universe.

01:19:44.000 Right now we can only do it on a femtometer scale, so we can basically simulate the inner workings inside of a nucleus.

01:19:50.000 We can't go any bigger.

01:19:52.000 But if we can simulate that, and eventually we get to a point where we can simulate more and more and more of kind of living, breathing quantum space, who's to say that we ourselves aren't a simulation?

01:20:03.000 I just told Jill the other day how I've been living my life as if we are a simulation.

01:20:08.000 And if you look at it that way, it really freaks you out.

01:20:11.000 And I have this new thing where every time I talk about the simulation, I see an Asian coming around the corner. 1.00

01:20:16.000 So they're the bodyguards of the simulation.

01:20:19.000 Trust me, think of it that way.

01:20:20.000 It'll freak you out.

01:20:21.000 Do you also carry one of those jacks in your pocket all of the time?

01:20:24.000 No.

01:20:25.000 We've been talking about it for several years now.

01:20:28.000 For whatever reason.

01:20:30.000 But now start living it though.

01:20:31.000 Live your life like that.

01:20:32.000 Just for a week.

01:20:33.000 Everything is a simulation.

01:20:35.000 That's the key to my existence.

01:20:36.000 How do you even live your life that way?

01:20:38.000 It freaks you out.

01:20:39.000 Because then all of a sudden it's like an adaptation.

01:20:41.000 It's like a story in a story in a story situation.

01:20:44.000 Like he's in a game of Final Fantasy.

01:20:46.000 Amazing.

01:20:46.000 That's what he's doing.

01:20:49.000 I might buble curse you again. 0.68

01:20:52.000 You've been buble cursed. 0.96

01:20:53.000 I want to hear a buble curse.

01:20:54.000 That never worked.

01:20:56.000 You know how it worked, Joe? 1.00

01:20:58.000 You tried, but those Twitter people who tried to buble it, that shit doesn't work. 0.99

01:21:03.000 You're in buble denial right now. 1.00

01:21:04.000 That shit doesn't work. 1.00

01:21:05.000 I never heard him. 1.00

01:21:06.000 I didn't have to listen.

01:21:07.000 On the Tosh show the other day, you were on Tosh.

01:21:10.000 Saw it online.

01:21:11.000 Only watched the clip.

01:21:13.000 Not interested in anybody else.

01:21:14.000 Wanted to watch me.

01:21:15.000 What is a Buble curse?

01:21:15.000 Does that mean Michael Buble is going to pop up in my life all the time now?

01:21:19.000 No, no. 0.99

01:21:19.000 First of all, the curse is this fuck will talk about Michael Buble for the next three or four days asking me if I've been Buble cursed. 0.99

01:21:26.000 I'm onto your games, Mr. All right. 1.00

01:21:28.000 You've been Buble cursed also, dear.

01:21:31.000 For the next 30 days, you're going to be Buble-ed out of your mind.

01:21:34.000 I've never been Buble-ed.

01:21:36.000 I get to leave here, and then I never have to see you again.

01:21:39.000 Trust me.

01:21:39.000 You're the problem.

01:21:40.000 On Twitter, you've got to do us Buble-ed updates, but I bet you'll be Buble-ed out so much.

01:21:46.000 You have frothy Buble all over you. 1.00

01:21:49.000 He's being an asshole right now. 1.00

01:21:51.000 He's sicking those people on you. 1.00

01:21:52.000 It is Christmas time, and he does have a new album out, which means I'm going to start fucking hearing those songs everywhere I go. 0.99

01:21:58.000 Does he? 0.95

01:21:58.000 I've never heard a single Michael Buble song. 0.95

01:22:00.000 You have, you just don't know.

01:22:02.000 It's one of those things where...

01:22:03.000 I don't have that gene.

01:22:04.000 Everything's in the background until your attention is drawn to it, and then that's all you'll see and hear.

01:22:08.000 I'm missing that part of the brain.

01:22:09.000 It's the simulation.

01:22:10.000 That part of the brain is replaced with hate.

01:22:12.000 Oh no, hate for what?

01:22:13.000 For whatever.

01:22:14.000 For whatever.

01:22:15.000 Something bad.

01:22:16.000 Anything bad.

01:22:18.000 I can't listen to it.

01:22:19.000 It doesn't work.

01:22:20.000 It's like a dog whistle.

01:22:21.000 I don't hear it.

01:22:23.000 And the acid bird that you hear chirping in the morning at 5 a.m., those are software updates to the whole simulation. 1.00

01:22:30.000 This is your simulation, you fuck. 1.00

01:22:32.000 Your simulation is way different than ours. 0.99

01:22:35.000 But what's fascinating about the simulation theory is these guys that are talking about that self-correcting computer code that they found in the computations of string theory.

01:22:46.000 Okay.

01:22:47.000 It's discovered in 1940 by this guy named Claude Shannon, and they've discovered these exact same self-correcting computer codes embedded in the equations of string theory.

01:23:01.000 I don't understand that.

01:23:02.000 I don't really either, to be honest.

01:23:03.000 I just interviewed a string theorist who was in town from the University of Paris.

01:23:06.000 I interviewed him on Monday and just kind of tried to get a good primer on what string theory is, what it sets out to do, and I'm going to be writing a video on that soon.

01:23:16.000 So hopefully I'll be able to kind of offer a good fundamental primer on string theory to my viewers.

01:23:22.000 But I don't really understand this thing with the code because the string theorists write their own mathematics.

01:23:28.000 I mean, that's...

01:23:30.000 That's what a lot of this kind of theoretical cosmology, this quantum level cosmology is about.

01:23:36.000 A lot of times these aren't things that are really experimentally testable.

01:23:39.000 They're things where these physicists are trying to map out or trying to understand the basic particles, the basic waves that make up the universe and how do they interact with each other using the strong force, the weak force.

01:23:53.000 How does gravity come into play with this, which is a huge problem for them right now, so that they can get this unified theory?

01:23:58.000 Most of it right now is just math.

01:24:00.000 To be honest, it's all whether or not the math works in these different scenarios.

01:24:04.000 But they're writing the math.

01:24:06.000 They're trying to learn about these things and they're trying to document them and then figure out how to make the math work.

01:24:11.000 Once they do that, the difficulty comes in experimenting with them because these are such small particles.

01:24:16.000 That occur at such high energies that you can only get them in a particle accelerator, like at CERN. Or you could find them in a black hole, for example, but we can't study a black hole directly.

01:24:27.000 So in string theory, this shit is so small that you can't even get these things out of a particle accelerator. 0.73

01:24:32.000 So at this point, the only way that they can study string theory is by looking at the cosmic microwave background radiation, which is the radiation that was put off from the Big Bang. 0.97

01:24:42.000 And it's always around us in the background.

01:24:44.000 And they've been able to kind of map its signature.

01:24:46.000 And they can look for basically evidence, much later evidence, you know, 13 billion years later, almost 14 billion years later, evidence of what happened in the Big Bang, where these tiny particles would have come from.

01:24:57.000 That's incredible.

01:24:58.000 It's crazy. 0.98

01:24:59.000 I mean, it's kind of like, what the fuck did I even just say? 0.98

01:25:01.000 Right. 0.98

01:25:01.000 I'm not really sure that I understand what I just said, but I muscled through it. 0.98

01:25:05.000 This is a real mind-blower.

01:25:06.000 There's going to be so many people pausing and Googling during this podcast.

01:25:10.000 Who's Bublé? 1.00

01:25:12.000 That's not what they're going to be Googling, you fuck. 1.00

01:25:15.000 That's hilarious. 1.00

01:25:15.000 Jesus Christ, Brian. 1.00

01:25:16.000 And so many good things happened this week in science, too.

01:25:20.000 I had this great thing that's been floating around, Facebook, from I Fucking Love Science's Facebook page. 0.63

01:25:28.000 If you don't follow I Fucking Love Science, they're amazing.

01:25:29.000 Do you mind if I ask a question before?

01:25:31.000 Yeah, sure. 0.85

01:25:31.000 When these scientists write the code, when you see those documentaries or those shows, whenever they have guys talking about string theory and they're sitting there with a yellow legal pad, scribbling furiously, what the fuck are they doing? 0.85

01:25:44.000 Yeah, that's... 0.80

01:25:46.000 I don't know.

01:25:47.000 What are they saying?

01:25:48.000 So they're looking basically at the math of the...

01:25:52.000 They're trying to look at the universe and they're trying to describe it in the only language that we can describe those very, very small things in, which is math.

01:26:00.000 So they're looking at all of these...

01:26:02.000 Basically these forces...

01:26:04.000 That help particle A interact with particle B. Maybe there's a gluon in between.

01:26:10.000 They're trying to look at the electromagnetic forces between them.

01:26:13.000 They're trying to see basically all of the quantum fluctuations of this soup of particles that make up all the things that you see right now.

01:26:23.000 And they could be in any given place.

01:26:26.000 It's very difficult to know exactly how fast they're moving or where they are, so they have to kind of look at a range of states.

01:26:33.000 Of these particles, and they're trying to work out all of the math to be able to get a whole spectrum of how these particles interact with each other.

01:26:41.000 And once they have a really solid understanding of how these particles interact with each other, then we can start to really understand why an atom looks like an atom, and how that atom combines with that atom to make a molecule of something, and then how all those molecules come.

01:26:53.000 We're good at knowing from the top down, you know?

01:26:56.000 We can look at very big things like universes and subdivide into galaxies and subdivide into solar systems and then we can even look at Earth and look at all of the life that's on Earth within our own bodies.

01:27:06.000 We can look at our organ systems.

01:27:08.000 We can look at us at the cellular level.

01:27:10.000 We can even break down a cell and look at it at the molecular level.

01:27:12.000 But once you get smaller than an atom, things start acting fucking weird and there's a whole new set of laws that governs the quantum world.

01:27:22.000 Superposition's the freakiest one.

01:27:23.000 Yeah, it's like anything about, you know, because it's so hard to measure these things.

01:27:27.000 It's really difficult to measure their speed and their position at the same time because they're moving, and they're moving really fucking fast, and their properties change depending on what position they're in.

01:27:38.000 And so once you get down to these really, really small, small, small, but very high energy levels of the world, Then you start to see different theories that try to describe them.

01:27:47.000 And string theory is only one of those theories.

01:27:48.000 It's actually one of the more kind of bizarre theories.

01:27:51.000 A lot of people aren't string theorists in theoretical cosmology.

01:27:55.000 But string theory is one of the most promising theories that tries to combine this kind of Newtonian and Einsteinian view together.

01:28:02.000 So this quantum molecular view and also having a quantum theory of gravity, which gravity still doesn't really operate the same way that most people think that quantum mechanics operates.

01:28:13.000 So a big problem that quantum physicists have is trying to figure out how to fit Newtonian gravity into the equation so that they can get a grand unified theory of everything.

01:28:23.000 And right now, gravity doesn't really seem to fit. 0.80

01:28:25.000 Now when they measure particles that are in superposition, meaning they're in motion and still at the same time, what the fuck is that? 0.70

01:28:34.000 What does that mean?

01:28:35.000 I don't think it necessarily means that they're in motion and still at the same time.

01:28:38.000 I think what it means is that they can only measure them A lot of times it becomes one of these questions where if a tree falls in the forest, does it still make a sound?

01:28:48.000 If we as an observer are trying to understand the molecular world, just by observing it, because we can't just look at it. 0.96

01:28:58.000 It's too fucking small.

01:28:59.000 So we have to come up with all these crazy rigs to be able to see things. 0.95

01:29:02.000 And just by all of the technology that we need to use to see it, we are affecting it.

01:29:07.000 So it's really impossible to see things in their native state when they're this small without actually affecting those things.

01:29:13.000 And now how does that work?

01:29:15.000 Because that's the other thing about the idea of the observer in quantum mechanics.

01:29:23.000 My friend JD, shout out to JD. He's a physicist.

01:29:29.000 He related to me that the real issue is in measuring it and that when you measure it, that's the observer.

01:29:38.000 It's not necessarily that you are looking at something or that human intention or visual, you know, your visual cortex is tuned in on something.

01:29:46.000 It's just the measuring.

01:29:48.000 The act of measuring itself changes the result.

01:29:50.000 Yeah, because we're not talking about big things.

01:29:52.000 I could look at this water bottle and I could make judgments about it.

01:29:56.000 I could hold a ruler up next to it and make judgments about it.

01:30:00.000 It's so large that the tools that I use to measure it don't interact with its intrinsic properties.

01:30:05.000 But once you get down to things that are very, very small and you could no longer use When he said that to me,

01:30:30.000 I actually got upset.

01:30:33.000 Because there's been so much malarkey that I've read and seen online about the idea of the observer changing the results that I felt like, why did everybody have to turn into voodoo?

01:30:45.000 Oh, I love that you just said that.

01:30:46.000 I did an interview with Brian Green, who's a pretty renowned physicist.

01:30:50.000 And I ended up splitting it into two parts.

01:30:53.000 One was about black holes and one was about the multiverse theory.

01:30:55.000 But one segment that we talked about in between that I couldn't really work into a story, it bums me out because it's such great footage because I asked him, how do you feel about movies like What the Bleep Do We Know?

01:31:05.000 How do you feel about it when people try to take what you understand about the quantum world and what you understand about the cosmos and apply it to like woo-woo pseudoscience and say, oh, but our thoughts are quantum and now all of a sudden we can use quantum mechanics to describe How we think and how our thoughts live outside of our bodies and all this bullshit.

01:31:24.000 And I mean, he was very explicit that no person who studies this stuff, who's dedicated their lives to understanding this, would ever try to apply it to a region of understanding where the math doesn't make sense. 0.96

01:31:39.000 And so all of the people who are trying to shill quantum mechanics as an explanation for thought or behavior or love or any of these woo-woo things, none of them are fucking physicists. 0.91

01:31:50.000 That should probably tell us something. 0.96

01:31:52.000 The whole thing was that Ramthalady, she channels.

01:31:56.000 She channels. 0.99

01:31:57.000 They're not even telling you what the fuck is going on. 0.99

01:32:00.000 They're just having her talk, but they're not telling you, oh, no, no, no, no. 0.99

01:32:02.000 She's channeling. 1.00

01:32:03.000 She's channeling some fucking alien. 1.00

01:32:05.000 And so many of the people in that movie were misrepresented. 0.99

01:32:08.000 I mean, so many people, they would take like three hours of footage from an interview and then cut it up in such a way that it kind of sort of sounds like They're making their point.

01:32:16.000 I did an episode of Larry King.

01:32:18.000 It was one of the first things I ever did when I started doing science communication and being more on air when I was getting out of the university system and doing what I do now.

01:32:26.000 And the episode was all about neuroscience.

01:32:28.000 And one of the things that I said on it was some people would say that the mind is an entity outside of the brain that can, you know, put forces on the brain.

01:32:38.000 But we know as modern neuroscientists that mind and brain are the same thing.

01:32:41.000 They're just two sides of the same coin.

01:32:43.000 And how did they run the promo for that?

01:32:46.000 The mind is an entity outside of the brain that can affect...

01:32:50.000 You know, they just completely took it out of context.

01:32:53.000 They went woo-woo on you.

01:32:54.000 I mean, luckily, inside of the episode, they showed it in full so they could see what I was saying.

01:32:58.000 But how easy is it?

01:33:00.000 And as scientists, you can't be worrying about that when you're trying to explain something.

01:33:05.000 You just want to explain it and hope that they don't bastardize it.

01:33:07.000 The problem is the people who are making these things have an agenda.

01:33:10.000 Right.

01:33:11.000 The idea of consciousness or thought being outside of the brain is a very fascinating idea.

01:33:16.000 The idea that the brain is actually just an antenna that tunes it all in.

01:33:20.000 And that's why when different areas of it get damaged, that's areas that are designed to tune in to whatever is out there.

01:33:27.000 The idea of the Akashic records, the idea that knowledge and so much of what makes us human beings is actually virtually retrievable from the air.

01:33:38.000 Well, I think that there's a way to look at that without being woo-woo.

01:33:41.000 Like, I don't think it's physically in the air.

01:33:42.000 But there is obviously this idea that thoughts and ideas, once we put them into language, once we write them down on paper, they do exist outside of us at this point.

01:33:53.000 Somebody else can appreciate them and they can live well past us.

01:33:56.000 But I still think that all of that knowledge...

01:33:58.000 Was conceptualized, synthesized, remembered, retrieved, whatever, by a physical organ, which is our brain, and that thought is fundamentally a function of brain activity.

01:34:11.000 Like, I'm a really hardcore materialist when it comes to that kind of stuff.

01:34:15.000 What is consciousness, though?

01:34:16.000 That's what's really fascinating. 0.99

01:34:18.000 It's like, what the fuck is that beautiful organ tuning in? 0.99

01:34:21.000 When you're at your hype level, when you're locked on to some crazy explanation and you're very passionate, what is that that's coming through that brain? 0.99

01:34:34.000 It's not coming through the brain, it's being created by the brain.

01:34:37.000 To me, it's the same thing as saying, what is it when an athlete is at peak performance and their heart is working?

01:34:43.000 The best way that it can possibly work.

01:34:45.000 The problem is the brain is so much more complicated.

01:34:48.000 There's so much more metabolism happening in the brain.

01:34:51.000 And there's so many individual neurons that have so many connections between them.

01:34:57.000 And there's so many different kind of options, kind of permutations and combinations of ways that these neurons can communicate with one another that thought, that consciousness, It somehow arises from all of those connections.

01:35:10.000 But that's the holy grail of neuroscience.

01:35:13.000 And this is what I love.

01:35:14.000 This is my background is neuroscience.

01:35:16.000 And so when I do all of my science reporting and all of my science commenting, all the space stuff and all of the physics stuff, I'm not as good at. 0.65

01:35:24.000 You know, I have to learn it as I go, which kind of, I think, helps me when I communicate it because I get where people are coming from when they're like, I don't fucking understand this at all.

01:35:32.000 The neuroscience stuff is like my bread and butter.

01:35:34.000 That's what I love.

01:35:35.000 And that is the holy grail of neuroscience.

01:35:37.000 So when you hear like Deepak Chopra type dudes talk about consciousness being non-local.

01:35:41.000 You see my eyes rolling.

01:35:42.000 Like Deepak Chopra, I just, it's really hard for me to not just discount everything he says.

01:35:46.000 Really?

01:35:46.000 Everything?

01:35:47.000 I mean, I know that there's truth there, but he is. 0.83

01:35:50.000 He's a woo peddler. 1.00

01:35:51.000 He's a woo peddler. 1.00

01:35:51.000 I really think he is. 1.00

01:35:53.000 I do.

01:35:54.000 Chopra, Eckhart Tolle, Tony Robbins, is that his name?

01:36:01.000 Greg Fitzsimmons loves Eckhart Tolle.

01:36:03.000 He's reading his book right now.

01:36:04.000 Eckhart Tolle is probably the least huckstery of all of them, but he's still...

01:36:08.000 What do you think is Huckstery about providing motivation to people and giving people sort of a framework to work on as far as living in the now and taking charge of their life, especially if it's something that someone like Eckhart Tolle had personal success with?

01:36:25.000 Yeah, so compare somebody like Eckhart Tolle to...

01:36:26.000 Well, how about Anthony Robbins?

01:36:28.000 Yeah, compare an Eckhart Tolle or an Anthony Robbins to, for example, somebody like, oh, what's his name?

01:36:34.000 Kim Jong-il?

01:36:35.000 God, no.

01:36:36.000 I was able to interview this really interesting guy who has a PhD in molecular genetics and then moved to the Himalayas to become a Buddhist monk.

01:36:46.000 His name is Mathieu Ricard and he's a French Buddhist monk and he talks about mindfulness meditation and he talks about the neuroscience of the things that the Tibetans are doing right now.

01:37:01.000 But he's not trying to make money off of it.

01:37:03.000 And I think that is a fundamental kind of red flag for me.

01:37:06.000 I'm not saying just because somebody's trying to make money they are selling snake oil.

01:37:10.000 But first of all, what's the motivation?

01:37:13.000 That has to be the first red flag.

01:37:15.000 And then you go into what is it that they're saying.

01:37:18.000 If they're talking, if they're trying to use science...

01:37:31.000 It's fine.

01:37:42.000 I mean, what is that?

01:37:43.000 That's like culty behavior, but that's fine.

01:37:45.000 But when people pick and choose how they want to use science and how they want to bastardize science to meet their needs, it makes me nervous.

01:37:53.000 I did a piece recently about the power of positive thinking.

01:37:56.000 I've also done a piece about the power of And I went through the literature and I tried to find examples where positive thinking actually helped people.

01:38:04.000 And there's just no good evidence that thinking positively is going to actually bring goodwill to your life, like the secret, you know, that's like, well, if I just want it bad enough, I'm going to make a bunch of money. 0.68

01:38:14.000 It's like, no, if you want it bad enough, you're going to have to fucking work for it.

01:38:18.000 And then it's going to come to you. 0.88

01:38:19.000 And actually, they find that the power of positive thinking can actually be kind of detrimental To cancer patients.

01:38:25.000 Because it causes a whole extra layer of guilt to the process of dying.

01:38:33.000 You caused this to yourself.

01:38:34.000 Exactly.

01:38:35.000 Because you didn't think positively enough.

01:38:37.000 You didn't will yourself out of this.

01:38:39.000 And there's a whole culture around that in America where we kind of blame the victims.

01:38:44.000 And where we call cancer survivors survivors, and we call cancer victims victims.

01:38:49.000 And you're not doing so well.

01:38:52.000 Nobody says it directly to somebody who's dying of cancer.

01:38:55.000 Well, you didn't will yourself out of it.

01:38:56.000 But they feel that because they say it indirectly to the people who are coming out of it.

01:39:00.000 Oh, it was all that nice prayer and all those positive thoughts and all those Oprah magazines you read.

01:39:05.000 And it's like, I don't know.

01:39:07.000 I think that's a bad precedent to set.

01:39:09.000 It's also shitty science because you're only looking at the group that was successful.

01:39:15.000 Exactly.

01:39:15.000 What about all the people that died?

01:39:17.000 And that's the thing.

01:39:18.000 I tried to look at a lot of those studies and I tried to compare.

01:39:22.000 And I found enough stuff out there that kind of shows that the power of positive thinking is not a real thing.

01:39:27.000 Also, it shows that prayer is not a real thing.

01:39:28.000 I disagree that the power of positive thinking is not a real thing.

01:39:31.000 I think it's a good way to operate and live your life in a happy manner.

01:39:35.000 Sure!

01:39:40.000 It's like talking about karma. 0.95

01:39:42.000 In some sense, karma is totally real because if you're a fucking nice person and you do goodwill all of the time, sometimes shitty things are going to happen to you, but most people are going to be nice to you too. 1.00

01:39:53.000 If you put bad karma out there, to me what that really means is if you're just a fucking asshole all the time, people are going to be an asshole back to you. 0.99

01:40:00.000 That's obvious, but I don't believe that karma is some sort of cosmic force that says you store up goodwill with the universe and then the universe pays you back in some way. 1.00

01:40:10.000 We feel that it is because that's how it applies to us socially.

01:40:15.000 I've always felt that the idea of the birth and the death of the universe was a weird concept and that maybe we're wrapped around that because of the idea of our own biological limitations.

01:40:25.000 I've always thought that.

01:40:26.000 Time is so interesting because time is a real thing.

01:40:29.000 It's flexible, though.

01:40:30.000 It's flexible, yes, but it is also a real thing, but we perceive it to be something that's...

01:40:35.000 In some ways quite different than what time actually is. 0.94

01:40:37.000 Well, when you start getting into crazy shit like a spaceship that goes faster than the speed of light and then comes back to Earth in 20 years and 500 years have passed or whatever the fuck the math is. 0.90

01:40:47.000 Or it would be earlier. 0.98

01:40:48.000 Earlier.

01:40:48.000 You'd come back earlier than when you left if it's faster than the speed of light.

01:40:51.000 Well, you'd have to, yeah.

01:40:52.000 You'd have to go really fast, much faster than the speed of light.

01:40:53.000 Could you do that?

01:40:54.000 Well, you could see.

01:40:55.000 They say that if you are many, like if you're a million light years away from Earth and you could look back and You'd see yourself coming there.

01:41:04.000 Yeah.

01:41:05.000 Yeah, like if you left on a spaceship and you were going faster to the speed of light and you landed on Mars and then you turned your telescope towards Earth, you would see yourself landing. 0.99

01:41:14.000 What the fuck? 0.96

01:41:16.000 That's why Einstein says you can't go faster than the speed of light. 1.00

01:41:19.000 What if you can? 0.99

01:41:20.000 You just fuck everything up. 0.95

01:41:21.000 Well, that's what everybody thinks. 0.96

01:41:23.000 I mean, that's the fascinating thing about thinking about it.

01:41:25.000 Do you ever wonder, like, when you see things like Fukushima and you see, you know, nuclear disasters and all the potential nuclear disasters, different places that we have all over just California that are on fault lines or near fault lines, does that freak you out?

01:41:41.000 Do you wonder about, like, the idea behind nuclear power?

01:41:45.000 I mean, sure, it's been very beneficial to societies, but if you have to look at Whatever it's been, how many 60 years of implementation and there's three parts of the world that are broken now?

01:41:56.000 You know what's funny is I think that there's this huge disconnect in public opinion between, again, science and implementation.

01:42:06.000 And I always, I shouldn't say always, but I'm often an advocate of doing science for the sake of science.

01:42:11.000 I'm often an advocate of just trying to learn as much as we can.

01:42:14.000 I think that once these things get implemented as technologies and as Sources of engineering.

01:42:20.000 That's why we have a government.

01:42:22.000 And government is supposed to be better at making sure that all of these things are checked and balanced, you know, and that we should have good protocols.

01:42:32.000 When the earthquake struck in Italy and all of those seismologists who basically said, I'm not sure that this is going to happen, I wouldn't worry about it too much, and then so many people died, everybody blamed the scientists.

01:42:46.000 They charged them with manslaughter.

01:42:47.000 Yeah, they charged them with manslaughter.

01:42:49.000 They blamed the scientists.

01:42:50.000 Nobody blamed any of the civil engineers, any of the people overseeing whether or not the buildings were up to code, whether or not the city was built in such a way that it could withstand an earthquake.

01:43:01.000 And it's absolutely insane to me that the people who were tasked with just trying to understand whether or not...

01:43:08.000 And we can't predict earthquakes, by the way.

01:43:10.000 We can't.

01:43:10.000 And you're talking about Italy, and that's where the Vatican is, and that's the biggest center of nonsense in the known universe.

01:43:16.000 That's for damn sure. 0.99

01:43:16.000 It's the craziest fucking setup ever, and that's in Italy. 0.99

01:43:19.000 So look at what kind of fuckery they deal with on a regular basis. 1.00

01:43:22.000 But we see this. 0.99

01:43:23.000 I mean, that's the thing.

01:43:24.000 We don't have a global government.

01:43:26.000 We have the UN. We try.

01:43:28.000 Maybe the church wanted them to get charged with manslaughter so they could move into a stronger position.

01:43:32.000 Maybe they tried to push that.

01:43:35.000 I just think people scapegoat.

01:43:36.000 People want somebody to blame.

01:43:38.000 You know what I mean?

01:43:38.000 And the pencil pushers with their glasses sitting behind their desk were an easy target.

01:43:42.000 And it's really fucking sad because it sets a terrible precedent. 0.77

01:43:46.000 And it makes it so that seismologists the world over are going to be nervous to have any sort of rapport. 0.95

01:43:50.000 If a government official comes and says, look at all of this data.

01:43:53.000 Do you think that there's a risk that something like this could happen to us soon? 0.98

01:43:56.000 They're going to go, I don't want to fucking say anything. 0.97

01:43:58.000 I'm just going to keep my mouth shut because I don't want to get in trouble. 0.97

01:44:00.000 Well, not only that, but how could they, the people that are in charge of the legal system, how could they prosecute him when everyone knows that it's impossible to predict earthquakes? 0.99

01:44:12.000 Who fucking knows? 0.60

01:44:14.000 But how could someone make that decision if there's no evidence? 0.99

01:44:17.000 That's the crazy thing.

01:44:18.000 They did.

01:44:20.000 That's so crazy.

01:44:21.000 I mean, hopefully they overturn it because there's such a backlash. 1.00

01:44:23.000 And like these people, like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:44:24.000 Like, they wanted this to happen? 0.99

01:44:26.000 Exactly.

01:44:27.000 Did they cause the earthquake? 0.99

01:44:28.000 Like, what the fuck are you saying? 1.00

01:44:29.000 I know. 0.99

01:44:30.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:44:30.000 It makes no sense.

01:44:31.000 It's weird.

01:44:32.000 It makes absolutely no sense.

01:44:34.000 But at least that's Italy.

01:44:35.000 Yeah, at least that's Italy.

01:44:36.000 That's why my grandparents fled.

01:44:38.000 Mine, too. 1.00

01:44:39.000 They were like, fuck this place. 1.00

01:44:40.000 You're Italian, too. 1.00

01:44:41.000 Mostly.

01:44:42.000 A little bit of Irish.

01:44:42.000 And they fled, too.

01:44:43.000 I'm like half Italian, half Puerto Rican.

01:44:45.000 San Tomaria. 0.99

01:44:47.000 Oh, damn. 1.00

01:44:48.000 Fiery combination for a neuroscientist, young lady. 1.00

01:44:51.000 Yes, yes, yes. 1.00

01:44:52.000 And you're fascinated by space shit, too. 1.00

01:44:54.000 I am. 0.99

01:44:55.000 I mean, I don't know as much about it.

01:44:57.000 How can you not be?

01:44:57.000 Exactly.

01:44:57.000 But I was going to say, there's this kind of meme that's going around on Facebook right now.

01:45:03.000 And I shared it on my page.

01:45:04.000 And it just says, this week in science, 12-2-2012.

01:45:08.000 And it's like, NASA's Messenger spacecraft discovered evidence of ice in organic compounds on Mercury.

01:45:14.000 DNA was photographed for the first time.

01:45:16.000 A quasar was observed that puts out 100 times more energy than our entire galaxy.

01:45:20.000 Jesus!

01:45:21.000 I know.

01:45:21.000 A black hole with a mass of 17 billion suns was observed.

01:45:26.000 And another of Saturn's moons was found to have a Pac-Man-like heat signature.

01:45:29.000 And that's not to mention the findings of the Curiosity rover.

01:45:34.000 So, I mean, just this week...

01:45:36.000 Just this week. 0.83

01:45:37.000 This is why my job is so fucking cool. 0.95

01:45:39.000 That's pretty cool. 0.70

01:45:40.000 And this is the best time ever to have it, too.

01:45:42.000 I feel like that's the case, too.

01:45:44.000 We've never been in an intellectual climate that's so detrimental to scientific thinking, but we've also never been in a technological climate that's so permissive of scientific progress.

01:45:55.000 I disagree.

01:45:56.000 I think there's always going to be loud people.

01:45:58.000 But I think generally across the board, people are much more open-minded to science and understanding of the reality of the universe than they ever have been before.

01:46:06.000 I guess I should say, I feel like within this century, within the last century, I should say, we're in a very anti-science era.

01:46:13.000 They figured out in the Reagan administration era, they figured out how to make a lot of noise.

01:46:17.000 They did.

01:46:18.000 And one of the good ways to do it is you can get elected if you get the Christians on your side. 0.72

01:46:22.000 And that's just gained momentum.

01:46:24.000 And that's really sad because I would love to see us go back to the 60s.

01:46:28.000 I mean, in a sense, to the way that science was perceived in the 60s.

01:46:32.000 To the excitement about NASA. To the...

01:46:50.000 Yeah, they're tainted.

01:46:55.000 Just like the swastika. 0.73

01:46:57.000 It's tainted.

01:46:58.000 It used to be cool.

01:46:59.000 It's like the oldest symbol on Earth.

01:47:02.000 If you go to these different old parts of Asia, it's everywhere.

01:47:06.000 But now it's tainted.

01:47:07.000 Yeah, there's a place near...

01:47:09.000 I think it's in...

01:47:11.000 Somewhere in the valley.

01:47:12.000 And it's this really ancient house that was built by these people from India.

01:47:16.000 And the swastikas all over the place.

01:47:18.000 So they have to explain.

01:47:19.000 It's like a plaque explaining the swastika.

01:47:21.000 Exactly.

01:47:21.000 But that's what happens.

01:47:22.000 You link it with something fucking horrible. 1.00

01:47:25.000 Religion, in my view, has been so fucking horrible for so long. 1.00

01:47:29.000 It's tainted. 1.00

01:47:30.000 And the idea of God immediately draws up a Christian ideal of a white-bearded guy living on a cloud or some shit that's going to cast judgment on you. 0.98

01:47:41.000 So when people talk about, yeah, but I see God more as a... 0.98

01:47:44.000 I'm like, call it fucking something different because it confuses me every time you use the word God. 0.80

01:47:48.000 Yeah, maybe God is just truth. 0.97

01:47:51.000 Yeah, maybe, or we just don't use the word God.

01:47:53.000 We just talk about science as being...

01:47:55.000 Call it buble.

01:47:55.000 Yeah, call it buble.

01:47:56.000 You've got to figure out a new...

01:47:58.000 But science is just incredible.

01:48:00.000 It's incredible, and it's awe-inspiring, and learning about our own existence is why we are.

01:48:06.000 So you feel like consciousness is really just a byproduct of all these different synapses firing and all these different cells charging and igniting and filling with thought and tension and instincts and genes?

01:48:18.000 I do.

01:48:19.000 I don't know if...

01:48:19.000 I feel like the word byproduct maybe also comes in a connotation.

01:48:22.000 But yeah, I definitely think that...

01:48:23.000 I mean, I should have said product of or, you know, the...

01:48:27.000 The end result of the moving force behind the biological unit.

01:48:32.000 Yes, I think that mind and brain are two sides of the same coin.

01:48:35.000 Mind, thought, consciousness arises as a physical manifestation of brain activity.

01:48:43.000 So the brain does what it does, and through it we have thought.

01:48:47.000 So you think that the concept of the soul and the idea that there's some conscious being trapped in your meat vehicle?

01:48:56.000 Yeah, I don't believe in that.

01:48:57.000 I don't believe in the ghost in the shell.

01:48:58.000 I don't think anything persists once we die, for example.

01:49:00.000 When we die, we rot.

01:49:01.000 That's it? 0.85

01:49:02.000 That's a wrap?

01:49:02.000 That's a wrap, yeah.

01:49:04.000 Do you think there's a universal consciousness?

01:49:06.000 No.

01:49:07.000 Just universal?

01:49:08.000 I mean, just individual?

01:49:09.000 I think there are laws.

01:49:09.000 There are fundamental laws of nature that cannot be broken, but I don't think that they have meaning in them.

01:49:17.000 I think they just are.

01:49:18.000 You don't think that there's some sort of a pattern, a very clear pattern of constant...

01:49:24.000 If you look at from the Big Bang to now, especially if you look at just our culture, the constant innovation and progress and moving forward, just from looking at planets that go from single-celled organisms like we did to what we have now with the internet and having the ability to broadcast something like this on a podcast.

01:49:45.000 Isn't that showing that there's some sort of a pattern, that it's moving in a very specific direction?

01:49:52.000 Unless there's some horrible disaster that stops this course, we're going to continue to move in a more and more advanced direction.

01:49:59.000 Yeah, I definitely think that we're seeing exponential growth in technological advances, but I don't think that that means that there's somebody driving that pattern.

01:50:07.000 No, not that someone's driving it, but that there is absolutely a pattern, and it almost seems insurmountable.

01:50:13.000 It's like it's not going to stop.

01:50:14.000 The idea of...

01:50:15.000 The only thing that's going to stop technological innovation and progress is you've got to shut all the power off.

01:50:20.000 Yeah.

01:50:21.000 Forever.

01:50:21.000 Yeah.

01:50:21.000 I mean, I personally think that, you know, people talk about the kind of Kurzweilian singularity and when man and machine combine and then we can live forever because we can download our consciousness or whatever.

01:50:32.000 I personally don't think that Ray Kurzweil has the best grasp of how the human brain works.

01:50:37.000 And so I'm not sure that I really buy into what he's selling.

01:50:42.000 But eventually, if we got to a point where AI was kind of sophisticated enough, I think that...

01:50:48.000 I worry, you know, when we talk about what is going to be the end for humans, I personally think that we're going to fuck ourselves up.

01:50:54.000 We're just too much of a warlike... 0.97

01:50:57.000 But we're not, because you won't even kill intruders.

01:50:59.000 I won't, but I don't have babies, so I'm not passing these genes on, at least not yet.

01:51:04.000 Why don't you go pass some genes on?

01:51:06.000 Go do some breeding. 0.96

01:51:10.000 The question of whether or not we're going to fuck it up is... 0.93

01:51:14.000 Certainly a valid one. 0.96

01:51:15.000 A lot of us have bombs. 0.99

01:51:17.000 We've done a lot of nuclear explosions, tests, and all kinds of shit. 0.98

01:51:20.000 But we may have colonized something.

01:51:21.000 I mean, I just did a chat yesterday with two guys from Mars One, which is this Dutch company that plans to colonize Mars in 2023. I mean, that's in 11 years.

01:51:32.000 That shit ain't happening. 0.99

01:51:33.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:51:33.000 They're just trying to get some money, and then they're going to go all John McAfee. 1.00

01:51:36.000 What was that, Brian?

01:51:38.000 I don't know.

01:51:39.000 There's crazy people out in the back.

01:51:41.000 Wow.

01:51:41.000 Is that bad?

01:51:42.000 Did someone open the back?

01:51:43.000 We should have mentioned the simulation.

01:51:45.000 I know.

01:51:46.000 They're coming to shut us down.

01:51:49.000 No, I think that they really want to do it.

01:51:51.000 It's a non-profit organization, and you know what their plan is to get funding?

01:51:55.000 They want to make this mission of the first colonists to Mars.

01:51:58.000 I don't know if they'll be successful, but I do think that they're going to try to do it. 0.60

01:52:01.000 Well, they'll definitely kill a few people in space. 0.97

01:52:03.000 They plan on making this the most insane reality television show possible. 0.97

01:52:10.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:52:10.000 That's where I just checked out.

01:52:12.000 If they were real scientists, would they do that?

01:52:14.000 Would they turn into a reality show?

01:52:15.000 It's the only way they can get money for it.

01:52:16.000 Wow!

01:52:17.000 I'm on board.

01:52:17.000 Honey boo boo in space!

01:52:21.000 And I asked them, I was like, what are you going to do if something goes horribly, horribly wrong?

01:52:25.000 This is an extremely risky endeavor.

01:52:27.000 And they were saying, at this point, we'll have been training these people for 10 years.

01:52:30.000 They're going to be our friends.

01:52:32.000 These people that we're sending up to colonize Mars, they can't bring them back, by the way.

01:52:36.000 These people are going to go to Mars and they're going to live out their days on Mars.

01:52:39.000 Yo! 1.00

01:52:39.000 That's fucking awesome. 1.00

01:52:41.000 I'm like, what happens when something goes horribly wrong? 0.93

01:52:43.000 And they're like, that's when we have to shut off the cameras.

01:52:45.000 You can't televise a friend of yours.

01:52:48.000 Well, they're showing people dying on these Alaska shows.

01:52:53.000 One of the guys died.

01:52:55.000 I mean, they didn't actually show him dying, but he died while they were filming the show.

01:52:59.000 I mean, they have had deaths on reality shows before. 0.99

01:53:03.000 All they would have to do is just figure out a way to not tune the camera in and tell them that there was some sort of a chemical asphyxiation issue or whatever the fuck it is that kills you. 0.94

01:53:13.000 When you're on a planet that doesn't have air on it. 0.95

01:53:15.000 If you even make it to the planet. 1.00

01:53:16.000 You crazy bitch. 1.00

01:53:17.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:53:17.000 I know. 1.00

01:53:18.000 It's crazy.

01:53:18.000 And so their idea is that every ten years, they want to send four more people.

01:53:22.000 So it's like four people, then four people, four people.

01:53:24.000 And they're going to have to be, you know, a doctor, an engineer, whatever, because they're going to have to be able to grow the colony out there and eventually start terraforming.

01:53:33.000 I mean, hopefully we'll get to a point where we could blast something off of Mars eventually to come back to Earth.

01:53:39.000 But until then, they're going to have to just make supply runs.

01:53:41.000 They're going to have to just...

01:53:43.000 Send things to Mars, and we know it takes like, what, nine months to get there.

01:53:47.000 Jesus! 0.99

01:53:48.000 Imagine if you run out of toilet paper, you gotta wait nine months for a new fucking shipment. 0.99

01:53:52.000 And hope that it doesn't blow up on the way there. 0.99

01:53:55.000 How bad would it suck? 0.97

01:53:57.000 It's absolutely insane. 0.95

01:53:58.000 I can't really wrap my head around it.

01:54:00.000 I know they're gonna try it.

01:54:01.000 I don't know if they'll be successful, but the whole time I was doing this segment on HuffPost Live yesterday, I just kept stopping and being like, Are you fucking seriously talking about this right now?

01:54:12.000 What a time to be alive.

01:54:14.000 I was having a serious conversation with these people.

01:54:18.000 When you send these colonists to Mars, what kind of tools will they need?

01:54:21.000 It was absolutely blowing my mind.

01:54:24.000 Are they planning on trying to terraform?

01:54:26.000 Eventually, yeah.

01:54:27.000 But they need to have a lot of people there first.

01:54:29.000 So they get a lot of people there and then they have some sort of a power source and then they start terraforming.

01:54:33.000 I guess so.

01:54:34.000 Or they've got the sun, you know, so they just come up there with...

01:54:37.000 Yeah, and no atmosphere, right?

01:54:39.000 Sun's probably...

01:54:39.000 Super thin atmosphere.

01:54:41.000 Is the sun strong?

01:54:42.000 Well, but what's funny is they did find out that there is, well, it's cold.

01:54:47.000 It's very cold on Mars.

01:54:48.000 During the days, I should say the sols, so Mars has a different day than Earth, so they call them sols.

01:54:54.000 During the sols, they have, it actually does get pretty warm, like in the 40s, but at night it's like, it's too cold to survive.

01:55:02.000 It's so, so cold.

01:55:04.000 And there's no liquid water on Mars, so they'd have to figure that out, too. 1.00

01:55:07.000 What the fuck are you doing? 0.99

01:55:09.000 Don't go to Mars, people. 1.00

01:55:10.000 Stop it. 1.00

01:55:11.000 Stop trying to prove a point, you crazy assholes. 1.00

01:55:14.000 And I wanted to say that to them. 1.00

01:55:15.000 Let's clean up America first! 1.00

01:55:16.000 I kept wanting to say to them, like, you're so fucking crazy, but then I wanted to be like, it's because of crazy motherfuckers like you that stuff happens. 1.00

01:55:24.000 It's because somebody was like, let's go to the fucking moon, and probably somebody was like, don't fucking go to the moon, you're gonna die, you idiot! 1.00

01:55:32.000 But they figured out how to go. 1.00

01:55:33.000 Right.

01:55:33.000 How cool would it be if we keep on frog hopping from like Mars to another planet to another planet and then it just gets code.

01:55:39.000 Like there's no, like it wasn't programmed that would actually go that far out.

01:55:44.000 And then we reach the end.

01:55:45.000 Get out there! 0.99

01:55:46.000 So it's just all broken code.

01:55:47.000 That would be amazing.

01:55:48.000 They haven't figured out that part of the game yet.

01:55:51.000 Yeah, how, whoa.

01:55:53.000 Do you buy into like the simulation theory talk?

01:55:55.000 I mean, do you ever entertain it whatsoever?

01:55:57.000 No.

01:55:58.000 You know, I was talking to the scientist that I interviewed about it, and I was like, first of all, do you really believe this?

01:56:04.000 And he was like, I'm a scientist.

01:56:05.000 I'm not a philosopher.

01:56:06.000 I just try to look at the math.

01:56:07.000 And so I stopped him and said, you know, eventually, because you talk about this at scientific conferences, and you also talk about it to the media, and eventually you use the word they enough times, or maybe they are right.

01:56:19.000 And I was like, who is this they?

01:56:21.000 I want to talk to you about where, you know? 1.00

01:56:23.000 And he had the most brilliant answer, because I thought he was going to go the God route, and I was like, oh, fuck. 0.99

01:56:27.000 But he had the most brilliant answer. 0.99

01:56:28.000 He said...

01:56:28.000 Monsanto.

01:56:31.000 He said, if we are finally at a point in our evolution that we are sophisticated enough to write these fundamental bits of code, because that's the whole point of this.

01:56:43.000 Who's to say that we aren't a simulation if we can write our own simulation of a very small portion of the universe?

01:56:49.000 Well, if we're sophisticated enough to write our own, a very small simulation, who's to say that hundreds of thousand years in the future, we couldn't simulate the whole universe?

01:56:58.000 So maybe the they is just us.

01:57:00.000 Simulating the past to figure out where they came from.

01:57:02.000 Well, I said that my take on the simulation theory was that we live in the future like those gray aliens. 1.00

01:57:10.000 That's us.

01:57:11.000 That's what we really look like.

01:57:12.000 We have no sexual organs because we figured out a way to reproduce through genetics.

01:57:17.000 Genetic mutations are...

01:57:19.000 You're just outside the body completely.

01:57:20.000 We have giant eyeballs with built-in sunglasses because we completely fucked up the environment.

01:57:25.000 We need sunglasses everywhere we go. 0.96

01:57:27.000 We don't have a mouth anymore because we talk with our brain.

01:57:29.000 And we're bored. 1.00

01:57:31.000 We fucked up. 0.99

01:57:32.000 We engineered all the fun out of reality. 0.99

01:57:34.000 And so we went back to see where we came from.

01:57:36.000 We went back to the roaring 20s of the technological age. 0.94

01:57:41.000 The time where people were still sending dick pics to people on Facebook. 1.00

01:57:44.000 And nutty shit was still going on. 1.00

01:57:46.000 No one knew the rules. 1.00

01:57:47.000 This is the wild west of the internet age.

01:57:49.000 That's true.

01:57:50.000 We live in a future that's just not fun.

01:57:53.000 We've engineered all the good times out of it.

01:57:54.000 And what we've decided to do is go back to the roaring 20s of when it all was fucking wild and crazy and you could get BitTorrent still.

01:58:04.000 When we were watching Rejected.

01:58:05.000 You guys remember Rejected?

01:58:06.000 My spoon's too big!

01:58:09.000 My spoon's too small!

01:58:11.000 We've been talking about this for so long, although I am joking around when I say that, I don't really believe that we are the aliens because I don't really believe anything.

01:58:19.000 I don't really believe, yeah.

01:58:20.000 I mean, it's hard to believe something without good evidence, but it's interesting to philosophize on it.

01:58:24.000 And it's also interesting that that sort of archetype, that alien, that sort of really stereotypical alien, it repeats itself over and over and over again with the big head, the little skinny body.

01:58:35.000 So does religion.

01:58:36.000 If you look at all of the lore built into religion across so many cultures, the virgin birth story, the resurrection story, so many religions use that.

01:58:45.000 Yeah, but as far as like the way a human looks and the way a gorilla looks, you know, you look at other primates and, you know, the way monkeys look, the way, you know, we have to figure we all came from some very similar source at one long, long distant part in the past.

01:58:58.000 If you look at a gorilla and then you look at a person and then you look at an alien, it's like, yeah, that's how it goes.

01:59:03.000 Yeah, I mean it doesn't seem that far-fetched. 0.96

01:59:05.000 Like why would we develop like scales or like have a shark fin or some shit? 0.94

01:59:08.000 That's like not our evolutionary lineage. 0.93

01:59:10.000 And by the way, they're developing all these artificial skins. 0.80

01:59:13.000 Some of them with spider silk that they believe is going to be bulletproof. 0.99

01:59:17.000 They're talking about engineering human skin with fucking spider silk. 0.99

01:59:22.000 So you become like some bulletproof person. 0.99

01:59:25.000 Do you know how fucking nuts that's going to be when people don't tear open anymore? 0.94

01:59:30.000 Like, you can't, like... 0.99

01:59:31.000 Like, that's what it's going to take for people to stop fucking, like, having gun violence. 0.98

01:59:36.000 But what if you... 0.99

01:59:36.000 Is that we all become bulletproof. 0.99

01:59:38.000 Yeah, but what if you couldn't feel shit when you, like, were touching each other? 0.96

01:59:41.000 Well, and... 0.98

01:59:42.000 If you have bulletproof skin. 0.99

01:59:42.000 I mean, you can only shoot for the balls. 0.99

01:59:45.000 Everyone's aiming for the dick. 1.00

01:59:46.000 Because nobody would want a bulletproof dick. 1.00

01:59:49.000 They just wouldn't. 1.00

01:59:50.000 Your genitals would be the only thing that wouldn't be bulletproof. 0.98

01:59:53.000 Yeah, you would need that. 0.95

01:59:54.000 I mean, you know that there are people who have a genetic deficit where they can't feel pain.

01:59:59.000 Yeah.

02:00:00.000 And it sounds like a perk, but it is not.

02:00:02.000 They usually die because they break bones, they'll have internal bleep, they'll get in accidents and they won't know. 0.93

02:00:07.000 Well, it's also been the speculation for people that do a lot of body, like piercing their balls and craziness. 0.62

02:00:15.000 Like intense body mod, like things under their skin. 0.64

02:00:18.000 Yeah, they say that they have a hard time feeling things.

02:00:21.000 And like real severe pain is like the only thing that lets them know that they're alive.

02:00:25.000 There's a disconnect between that mechanism. 0.98

02:00:28.000 They say that a lot of people who choose to let animals fuck them, like a lot of those guys have the same thing. 0.96

02:00:35.000 That's weird. 0.91

02:00:36.000 This is not true. 0.99

02:00:39.000 Brian has pierced balls. 1.00

02:00:40.000 And we brought it back to the dolphin fucking. 1.00

02:00:42.000 Mr. Hands is a very famous internet video of a guy who got killed while a horse was having sex with him. 0.99

02:00:50.000 And they actually made a documentary about the whole situation.

02:00:53.000 It's called Zoo. 0.56

02:00:54.000 Because they realized there was a whole group of people that lived in Washington State and were having sex with all these animals. 0.66

02:01:01.000 And they had all these videos because it was legal.

02:01:03.000 And so they moved.

02:01:05.000 They met on the internet and they moved to Washington State and they all like went to this farm and they got together and had sex. 0.99

02:01:10.000 These poor animals. 1.00

02:01:11.000 Well, the animals just fucked them. 1.00

02:01:13.000 The animals just fucked. 1.00

02:01:14.000 Yeah, horses. 1.00

02:01:14.000 Horses fucked them. 1.00

02:01:15.000 And a horse fucked this guy and killed him. 1.00

02:01:18.000 But the horse is still alive. 1.00

02:01:19.000 Yeah, yeah, that was fine.

02:01:20.000 He didn't even bleed.

02:01:22.000 He didn't even get scratched. 1.00

02:01:23.000 But the guy who's getting fucked by the horse has all these piercings all over his balls. 1.00

02:01:29.000 And I was talking to a doctor about it, and he's like, there's very often those really self-destructive people have an issue, like feeling pain. 0.99

02:01:38.000 Yeah, I could see that.

02:01:39.000 Whether it's a psychological block or an actual physical block.

02:01:42.000 So what does that say about us with all the tattoos?

02:01:44.000 I don't know.

02:01:44.000 I just think they look cool.

02:01:45.000 I think they look cool too!

02:01:46.000 I like art.

02:01:47.000 I like art and I don't mind having it on my body.

02:01:50.000 And people are like, well then it's forever.

02:01:51.000 But I don't really think it is.

02:01:52.000 What's this molecule that you have on your arm?

02:01:53.000 That's dimethyltryptamine.

02:01:55.000 Oh, I did a piece about the near-death experience, kind of questioning whether it was just because of DMT that people feel that way.

02:02:03.000 And also the alien abduction experience.

02:02:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:02:04.000 The alien abduction experience and the near-death experience, all of them, they believe may be influenced by DMT. We know our brain makes it.

02:02:12.000 We know the lungs produce it.

02:02:13.000 We know it's produced in the liver.

02:02:14.000 And we also know it's unbelievably psychoactive.

02:02:16.000 And that just feels like a little bit more rational an explanation to me.

02:02:20.000 Well, certainly for the alien abduction thing.

02:02:23.000 Yeah.

02:02:24.000 The alien abduction thing. 1.00

02:02:25.000 What is that, you bitch? 1.00

02:02:26.000 A new present! 1.00

02:02:28.000 You're getting presents on the air, on the podcast.

02:02:30.000 Oh, he stopped recording like hours ago, didn't he?

02:02:34.000 I got you a present.

02:02:35.000 It took me forever to find that.

02:02:38.000 For the studio.

02:02:39.000 It's a chimpanzee cuckoo clock for the studio.

02:02:42.000 That's amazing.

02:02:43.000 Every hour it comes out and goes...

02:02:44.000 That might be the cutest thing I've ever seen in my life.

02:02:48.000 Thank you, brother.

02:02:49.000 That's awesome, man.

02:02:50.000 Oh, I love it.

02:02:51.000 Look, it's a cute little monkey.

02:02:53.000 That's amazing.

02:02:53.000 Well, if it's a chimpanzee, it's an ape, not a monkey.

02:02:55.000 Thank you.

02:02:56.000 Thank you.

02:02:57.000 Even though my production company is called Talking Monkey and my t-shirt company is called Higher Primate.

02:03:03.000 Well, there you go.

02:03:04.000 I like that.

02:03:04.000 I have an issue with monkeys.

02:03:06.000 Yeah.

02:03:06.000 I don't know what it is.

02:03:07.000 Well, we have a common ancestor.

02:03:09.000 Yeah.

02:03:09.000 We do.

02:03:09.000 I know, but I'm...

02:03:10.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:03:11.000 But you are an ape. 0.98

02:03:12.000 Yeah, I think. 0.99

02:03:13.000 Much like the chimp. 0.99

02:03:13.000 For sure. 0.99

02:03:14.000 And the gorilla.

02:03:15.000 Yeah, what's the difference?

02:03:15.000 Monkeys have tails, right?

02:03:16.000 And they're more cunty? 0.60

02:03:19.000 There's only five apes.

02:03:21.000 There's five great apes.

02:03:22.000 So there's us...

02:03:22.000 Great ape.

02:03:24.000 Great ape.

02:03:24.000 Let's see.

02:03:25.000 Can we name them all?

02:03:26.000 Us, gorillas, orangutans, chimpanzees, and bonobos.

02:03:32.000 And also, there's a lesser ape.

02:03:35.000 Oh, what's the lesser ape?

02:03:35.000 Don't say it.

02:03:36.000 That's rude.

02:03:37.000 Yeah, don't be racist.

02:03:38.000 It's not a baboon. 0.79

02:03:39.000 Don't be racist.

02:03:40.000 I can't remember. 0.99

02:03:41.000 And then the rest are monkeys.

02:03:43.000 The rest of the primates are monkeys.

02:03:45.000 Do you believe that there is an undiscovered primate living in the Pacific Northwest that people believe that they know as Bigfoot?

02:03:55.000 No.

02:03:55.000 No?

02:03:56.000 We have to ask everyone now.

02:03:57.000 We're so, but we're, come on!

02:03:59.000 We would have found it already!

02:04:01.000 Okay, first of all, do you know who says yes?

02:04:03.000 Who says yes?

02:04:04.000 Jane Goodall.

02:04:05.000 She's convinced.

02:04:05.000 She thinks there's a Bigfoot?

02:04:06.000 Yeah, she's convinced.

02:04:08.000 She said that there's far too many stories that are exactly the same, that the image is throughout time.

02:04:13.000 What about time mythology?

02:04:14.000 A pictograph over a thousand years ago.

02:04:16.000 Does she think there's a Loch Ness, too?

02:04:17.000 She wants to believe.

02:04:18.000 I guess so.

02:04:19.000 I'll believe it when I see evidence about it.

02:04:21.000 Well, you know, they know that a Gigantopithecus existed alongside human beings as recently as 100,000 years ago.

02:04:27.000 In fact, there was bones of them that were discovered in one of those Chinese medicine places.

02:04:32.000 What's a Gigantopithecus?

02:04:33.000 Gigantopithecus is an actual bipedal ape that existed as recently as 100,000 years ago, possibly more recently.

02:04:40.000 Lived alongside people.

02:04:42.000 It was 8 feet tall.

02:04:43.000 Huge.

02:04:44.000 Where?

02:04:44.000 And Asia.

02:04:45.000 And it may have came down the Bering Straits along with people.

02:04:48.000 And the idea is that if they were intelligent, and they probably are, just like, you know, if they're bipedal, they might be the only other... 1.00

02:04:54.000 Did we fuck them? 1.00

02:04:55.000 Because we fuck Neanderthals. 1.00

02:04:57.000 I mean, there's Neanderthal DNA in many humans. 0.99

02:04:59.000 Yeah, but isn't that under dispute whether or not we fucked them and whether or not we just have their trace DNA in our system? 1.00

02:05:05.000 How would we get it without fucking them? 0.99

02:05:06.000 I'll pull that up because I don't understand. 1.00

02:05:08.000 We fucked them. 1.00

02:05:09.000 Do you think we fucked them or they fucked us? 1.00

02:05:11.000 Or they fucked us. 1.00

02:05:11.000 Either one. 1.00

02:05:12.000 Did they fuck the girls or did the men fuck the females? 1.00

02:05:14.000 I don't know, but we probably double fucked them because they are no longer around and we still are. 1.00

02:05:18.000 Yeah, we totally fucked up. 0.99

02:05:19.000 There's actually... 0.94

02:05:20.000 I'm going to do a piece on it.

02:05:22.000 I just got my kit in the mail.

02:05:23.000 Nat Geo has this genotyping...

02:05:26.000 Not genotyping, but this genographic project where you can do a cheek swab, send them your DNA, and they will give you the background of your ancestry.

02:05:36.000 Yeah, I'm all monkey. 0.99

02:05:38.000 They're going to find out I'm not even a fucking human. 0.99

02:05:40.000 It's something like you have to do a monthly thing. 0.98

02:05:42.000 I was going to do it, but then I found it was a subscription.

02:05:45.000 Some kind of subscription.

02:05:47.000 A study kit?

02:05:48.000 Study cast doubt.

02:05:48.000 Here it is.

02:05:49.000 Study cast doubt on human Neanderthal interbreeding theory.

02:05:52.000 Cambridge scientists claim DNA overlap between Neanderthals and...

02:05:55.000 Notice how I said Neanderthals? 0.78

02:05:57.000 Neanderthals, yeah.

02:05:58.000 This is a smart person on the podcast.

02:06:01.000 And modern humans is a remnant of a common ancestor.

02:06:04.000 I see.

02:06:04.000 Yeah, that could be the case also.

02:06:07.000 Or we could have fucked them. 0.99

02:06:08.000 Come on, how do they really know? 1.00

02:06:10.000 For sure we could. 1.00

02:06:10.000 Well, somebody fucked one, no doubt. 1.00

02:06:12.000 If they were alive at this... 0.99

02:06:14.000 It's just whether or not they ever encountered...

02:06:16.000 Yeah.

02:06:17.000 But I don't know. 0.99

02:06:17.000 I mean, if people fuck horses... 0.99

02:06:19.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:06:20.000 Where's the mermaids then? 1.00

02:06:21.000 No. 0.99

02:06:22.000 Well, we never fucked... 0.98

02:06:23.000 I don't think we ever fucked anything that, like, lived in the water that looked like a person. 0.97

02:06:28.000 Yeah, I don't think... 0.96

02:06:28.000 Well, and we wouldn't have viable offspring anyway. 0.96

02:06:30.000 We couldn't fuck a chimp and make a baby. 1.00

02:06:32.000 Like, it would spontaneously abort. 1.00

02:06:33.000 But if they're close enough, like a dog and a wolf can have sex, and they'll have viable offspring.

02:06:38.000 Well, all dogs came from wolves.

02:06:39.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:06:41.000 It's a mind fuck in and of itself. 0.99

02:06:43.000 Neanderthals and us, if we were close enough, we might have been able to have viable offspring, but we don't know. 0.99

02:06:50.000 Oh yeah, I bet some.

02:06:51.000 Well, maybe a few of them.

02:06:53.000 Maybe they're really smart Neanderthals. 1.00

02:06:54.000 Or maybe we did fuck them, but maybe it is a trace from a common ancestor and we just fucked them for fun and that's not how we got their DNA. Well, what fascinates me is, first of all, how few fossils there really are as opposed to how many things that ever lived. 0.85

02:07:06.000 And when they find something new like that Homo florensis, the hobbit man from the Isle of Flores, that makes you really geek out. 0.58

02:07:14.000 Like, holy shit, 10,000, 13,000 years ago there was this little monkey man. 0.83

02:07:18.000 Yeah, and they just found the biggest dinosaur. 0.99

02:07:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:07:24.000 Or not the biggest, the oldest, I'm sorry, the oldest dinosaur.

02:07:27.000 I thought I had it pulled up.

02:07:28.000 What if Monsanto just paid for all these dinosaur bones?

02:07:31.000 There was never really dinosaurs, and there's this huge thing just to control the population.

02:07:35.000 Dinosaur bones existed before Monsanto. 1.00

02:07:37.000 You could have Googled, but it saved us so much time, you motherfucker. 0.99

02:07:40.000 Yeah, but what if Monsanto was a different thing back then? 0.99

02:07:42.000 But what's so funny is that there are creationists who really think that dinosaur bones were put into the ground to test our faith.

02:07:49.000 That's brilliant. 1.00

02:07:49.000 The ability to control really fucking dumb people is an art form. 1.00

02:07:54.000 It really is. 1.00

02:07:55.000 If you watch those dudes that are on the late night TV shows screaming and hollering and hooting about Jesus, there is an art form to that.

02:08:02.000 That's true.

02:08:02.000 Sam Kinison, who is in my opinion, At least at one point in time, he was the greatest comedian ever.

02:08:07.000 For like a year, I think he's the greatest comedian ever.

02:08:09.000 That guy started out as a preacher.

02:08:12.000 He was a Pentecostal tongue. 0.90

02:08:14.000 Oh, jeez.

02:08:15.000 Speaking in tongues.

02:08:16.000 I'm pretty sure he's Pentecostal.

02:08:17.000 That's crazy.

02:08:18.000 I should look that up because I'm a big fan of Kinestand.

02:08:21.000 But whatever he was, he was a reverend.

02:08:23.000 And, you know, that's where he got his skill from on stage, that, like, commanding presence.

02:08:28.000 That's a very specific type of performance art.

02:08:32.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:08:33.000 It's just getting rubes to send you money. 0.99

02:08:35.000 I just found this article about this dinosaur.

02:08:38.000 It was called Nyasosaurus peringtoni.

02:08:42.000 Wow.

02:08:43.000 How big was it?

02:08:43.000 It was small.

02:08:44.000 It was the size of a Labrador.

02:08:46.000 But they say that it came from about 240 to 245 million years ago, which would make it one of the earliest dinosaurs ever.

02:08:52.000 And it would have been roaming Pangea at the time, basically when all the continents were one big supercontinent.

02:08:58.000 Crazy!

02:09:00.000 You know my favorite animal that nobody knows about? 0.60

02:09:02.000 What?

02:09:02.000 Terror birds.

02:09:03.000 Terror birds?

02:09:04.000 Like terror?

02:09:05.000 Terror birds.

02:09:06.000 What's a terror bird?

02:09:07.000 They were gigantic, predatory birds that roamed North America.

02:09:12.000 Oh, okay.

02:09:12.000 That seems reasonable.

02:09:14.000 I mean, because birds are dinosaurs.

02:09:16.000 Like, we know that for a fact.

02:09:17.000 Dinosaurs evolved to become birds.

02:09:19.000 Actually, the tattoo on my right arm right here is Archaeopteryx lithographica, which is basically a bird dinosaur.

02:09:26.000 It was a total missing link. 0.99

02:09:28.000 These things are fucking horrifying. 0.99

02:09:31.000 I think birds today are kind of horrifying. 0.99

02:09:33.000 Have you ever seen the documentary the BBC did on the Congo?

02:09:35.000 And there's one gigantic prehistoric bird.

02:09:37.000 I think it's called the shoebill.

02:09:39.000 And it's this crazy ancient dinosaur of a bird.

02:09:42.000 It's about five feet tall.

02:09:43.000 And it has this enormous huge...

02:09:46.000 Huge beak. 0.99

02:09:48.000 And it's walking through the water all creepy-eyed and fucked up with a huge beak. 0.99

02:09:53.000 I mean, the beak is like three feet long. 0.98

02:09:55.000 And then it plunges into the water and kills this fish and pulls it out. 0.99

02:09:59.000 It's fucking weird. 0.99

02:10:00.000 Because, by the way, that thing would eat a baby. 1.00

02:10:03.000 Oh, I'm sure. 0.99

02:10:04.000 If you left a baby on the ground with that thing, that thing would eat the fuck out of your baby. 1.00

02:10:07.000 Yeah, I feel like if you just... 0.97

02:10:09.000 Do you know any friends who have African gray parrots, like as pets?

02:10:13.000 Those things live like 60 years.

02:10:15.000 You look them in the eye and they look at you all creepy and you can see the dinosaur in them. 0.99

02:10:19.000 Like, they're fucking scary. 0.99

02:10:21.000 I feel like they're scary. 0.99

02:10:22.000 Yeah, birds are scary. 1.00

02:10:23.000 Fuck birds. 1.00

02:10:24.000 Birds are just cameras for the simulation. 1.00

02:10:27.000 Our national animal is a fucking evil cunt of a bird. 1.00

02:10:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:10:33.000 Our national animal.

02:10:34.000 You ever look at an eagle in the eye? 0.99

02:10:36.000 They got that fucking twitchy. 0.99

02:10:38.000 That is the most reptilian bird you could ever possibly wrap your head around. 0.99

02:10:43.000 Well, yeah.

02:10:43.000 All the raptors really are.

02:10:45.000 They've got talons. 1.00

02:10:46.000 They're fucking raptors! 1.00

02:10:46.000 They're scary. 1.00

02:10:47.000 Just like the raptors from Jurassic Park.

02:10:50.000 That's really the same kind of thing you're dealing with.

02:10:52.000 And they're smart.

02:10:53.000 A lot of these birds are so smart.

02:10:55.000 But crows.

02:10:56.000 I love crows because people paint crows out to be really evil.

02:11:00.000 I did a whole piece on crows.

02:11:01.000 They're brilliant.

02:11:02.000 They're clever. 1.00

02:11:03.000 They're clever as fuck. 0.99

02:11:04.000 And they're beautiful. 1.00

02:11:06.000 They think they might be as smart as dolphins.

02:11:08.000 They're smart.

02:11:09.000 They show that you can use tools.

02:11:10.000 And I interviewed this guy who does crow research.

02:11:13.000 They did this study where they wore masks.

02:11:15.000 And like just neutral masks, but they would do a helpful condition and then kind of like a harsh condition.

02:11:22.000 So the helpful condition, they would feed the crows and then in the harsh position, they would capture them and tag them.

02:11:27.000 And so then when they went outside wearing the masks, I think for up to seven years, maybe 10 years later, when they saw somebody in a mask that was in the helpful condition, the crows would come up and ask for food.

02:11:38.000 When they saw them in the harmful position, they would squawk at them and like try to attack them.

02:11:42.000 And it wasn't even the person.

02:11:44.000 It was just the mask.

02:11:45.000 Wow.

02:11:46.000 They remembered faces.

02:11:48.000 I mean, it's crazy.

02:11:49.000 There's a lot of crows where I live.

02:11:51.000 There's like, what is it, a murder of them?

02:11:53.000 Yeah, a murder of crows.

02:11:54.000 That live in my tree.

02:11:55.000 That's pretty dope, by the way.

02:11:57.000 Yeah, I know.

02:11:58.000 It's called the murder.

02:11:58.000 It's so cool.

02:11:59.000 Almost as cool as calling yourself the death squad. 0.94

02:12:01.000 Right. 0.94

02:12:03.000 That's crazy.

02:12:04.000 Yeah, they're brilliant.

02:12:05.000 And they use tools, right?

02:12:06.000 Yeah, and they snowboard.

02:12:06.000 There's a video on YouTube of a snowboarding crow, which is like the best thing ever.

02:12:10.000 It's like it finds a little roof tile or something, carries it to the top of a roof in Russia, slides down it, doesn't fly away, decides it was fun, and does it again.

02:12:20.000 Like, it does it four times in a row, so it's obviously using this as a tool to ski or to snowboard.

02:12:27.000 Yeah, it's having fun.

02:12:28.000 It's amazing.

02:12:28.000 Why are they so smart?

02:12:30.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:12:30.000 Fuck, marry, kill, dolphin, crow, or buble? 1.00

02:12:36.000 I would... 1.00

02:12:38.000 I want to... 1.00

02:12:39.000 I want to kill you. 1.00

02:12:40.000 I'm gonna kill... 1.00

02:12:42.000 I'm gonna marry you and then I'm gonna kill you. 1.00

02:12:44.000 I'm gonna kill the crow. 1.00

02:12:46.000 I'm gonna... 1.00

02:12:47.000 I wanna fuck and marry... 1.00

02:12:49.000 Can I just fuck and marry Buble? 1.00

02:12:50.000 No. 1.00

02:12:51.000 I don't wanna fuck a dolphin, you guys. 1.00

02:12:52.000 Well, you should marry the dolphin and fuck Buble. 1.00

02:12:55.000 That way, if Buble gets douchey, you don't even have to get divorced because you're married to a dolphin. 1.00

02:12:58.000 That's true.

02:12:58.000 I'm just married to a dolphin.

02:12:59.000 Right.

02:12:59.000 Yeah, it's no big deal.

02:13:01.000 I'll marry the dolphin.

02:13:01.000 Yeah, you say, look, I would love to marry...

02:13:02.000 And it's not even cheating because it's not even a person.

02:13:04.000 Yeah, that's true. 0.99

02:13:06.000 I'm sure that's how the guys who fuck horses look at it, too. 1.00

02:13:09.000 Probably. 0.99

02:13:09.000 I'm not really cheating on my wife because it's not a real person. 0.99

02:13:11.000 Letting a horse fuck me. 1.00

02:13:13.000 I would kill Buble, fuck the crow, and marry the dolphin. 1.00

02:13:16.000 Yeah, of course you would. 1.00

02:13:17.000 Thanks for your contribution, Brian.

02:13:19.000 Really, really super sweet.

02:13:22.000 Appreciate it.

02:13:22.000 You're the best.

02:13:23.000 I wanted to ask you about Ambien because that's one of the stories that's on your website right now.

02:13:28.000 Yeah, that's the piece we just published on Monday. 0.99

02:13:30.000 Tell me what the fuck is going on with Ambien. 0.88

02:13:33.000 So it's interesting, you know, I was talking to Ariana about kind of like story ideas. 0.99

02:13:37.000 Is this Ariana Huffington?

02:13:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:13:38.000 How cool are you that you could just say Ariana?

02:13:41.000 It's like saying Elvis.

02:13:43.000 You don't have to say the last name.

02:13:44.000 I was talking to Ariana.

02:13:45.000 You know.

02:13:46.000 And we were just coming up with, you know. 0.99

02:13:46.000 Me and that bitch, we was just chilling. 0.99

02:13:48.000 We were talking about what kinds of things people want to hear about, you know, what's on a lot of people's minds. 0.99

02:13:54.000 It was actually her idea. 0.88

02:13:55.000 She was like, so many people take Ambien, and they sleepwalk, and they sleep drive, and they sleep eat, and they sleep fuck, and they wake up, and they don't remember any of it. 0.94

02:14:04.000 Why does that happen? 0.93

02:14:05.000 And so I started doing some research.

02:14:07.000 I talked to this doctor named Steven Posetta, and he prescribes a lot of Ambien, but he also helps people get off of Ambien.

02:14:13.000 He's a sleep doctor for scripts. 0.99

02:14:14.000 Oh, what a tricky bitch he is. 1.00

02:14:18.000 What a fucking tricky web he weaves. 1.00

02:14:21.000 He gets you off and he goes, listen, as long as you don't take it every day, you can try again and we'll get you off again. 1.00

02:14:26.000 That's the really crazy thing about Ambien.

02:14:28.000 It's supposed to be a short-term prescription.

02:14:29.000 You're not supposed to take Ambien for longer than 10 days.

02:14:32.000 So a lot of people who have chronic sleep problems...

02:14:35.000 They'll take it once a week or something.

02:14:37.000 Well, it's just amazing that we live in this culture of addiction where it's so many people are addicted to cigarettes and coffee and things that don't fuck up your everyday life as far as you're functioning too much.

02:14:48.000 But we're completely triggered into them and addicted to them.

02:14:51.000 That we would be so...

02:14:55.000 We would so readily prescribe things and just hope the person we're prescribing them to has good self-control.

02:15:03.000 Because if they don't, they're going to be physically addicted.

02:15:05.000 If I give you a bottle of Oxycontin and I say, hey man, here's 30 pills.

02:15:09.000 Don't take more than one of them in a day.

02:15:11.000 And you go, okay.

02:15:12.000 And then you just take 10 of them. 0.99

02:15:13.000 And then you're fucking Gonsville. 0.99

02:15:15.000 And then you start shaking and you're coughing and you need them. 0.99

02:15:18.000 What did I do?

02:15:19.000 Did I just trust a dummy?

02:15:20.000 Exactly.

02:15:21.000 And you could have them take them one a day and they'll still get addicted.

02:15:24.000 Oxycontin is extremely addictive.

02:15:27.000 Benzodiazepines.

02:15:27.000 There's a reason that they say, do not quit taking this medication without speaking to your doctor.

02:15:32.000 Because you can't.

02:15:33.000 You'll go into withdrawals.

02:15:34.000 I mean, if you're on Valium, Xanax, you can have grand mal seizures when you try to get off of it.

02:15:39.000 You have back spasms.

02:15:40.000 I mean, you can die.

02:15:42.000 And the idea is that the pain is so bad that we have to give you this and we have to take the risk.

02:15:47.000 We have to take the risk.

02:15:50.000 That's what it is for everybody.

02:15:51.000 It's all about the risk.

02:15:53.000 The people who take Ambien, the reason they continue to take it is because they're weighing the risk against the benefits. 0.98

02:16:00.000 They know there's a risk that they're going to fucking walk out into traffic. 0.98

02:16:03.000 I know. 0.99

02:16:05.000 But their lives are so destroyed by not sleeping that it does help them.

02:16:10.000 It actually bothers me because I did this piece and all these people are like, oh yeah, what pharmaceutical company paid you to...

02:16:16.000 Or this is so anti-Big Pharma.

02:16:18.000 Everybody thinks that you have an agenda when you write science, but really I'm just trying to look at the available evidence and write about it.

02:16:24.000 A lot of the available evidence, when I looked into Ambien, showed that it's risky.

02:16:28.000 It's really risky, a drug, but it does help people.

02:16:34.000 There's always two sides of that coin.

02:16:36.000 That's the real issue, isn't there?

02:16:37.000 For some people, if you have good self-control, you can use it as a tool.

02:16:42.000 But the issue is that there's a lot of people who do not have good self-control.

02:16:45.000 What should we do?

02:16:46.000 Should we make things completely unavailable?

02:16:48.000 And that comes to the argument of personal freedom when it comes to alcohol.

02:16:51.000 Or should we make it completely available?

02:16:52.000 When I'm talking about...

02:16:54.000 And ecstasy and acid and GHB and all these things that I've done, I had so much control back when I was doing drugs because I'm a pretty kind of paranoid person and I don't drink because I never like feeling drunk.

02:17:06.000 I don't like feeling out of control.

02:17:07.000 You're paranoid but you're doing ecstasy and GHB at the same time?

02:17:10.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:17:10.000 That was my dumbest move there. 1.00

02:17:12.000 And I never did GHB again after that. 0.93

02:17:14.000 And I've only done ecstasy maybe like, I say only like 10 times.

02:17:18.000 That's a lot.

02:17:18.000 I've done acid maybe like five times.

02:17:20.000 But definitely when I look back at my drug history, I experimented with drugs.

02:17:24.000 I never became addicted to any drug I ever did.

02:17:27.000 Yeah, I've never fucked with anything that's completely addictive.

02:17:30.000 I've never tried heroin or meth or coke or any of those things.

02:17:34.000 I just saw too many people just lose everything.

02:17:37.000 And still to this day, I've seen more people over the last decade or so fall apart because of pills than anything.

02:17:45.000 Yeah, and I played with pills for a little bit because I liked downers.

02:17:48.000 I liked drugs that I could have fun on and then go to sleep on.

02:17:51.000 And the problem with things like Xanax, for example, which I really liked back in the day, is that for somebody who actually does have a little bit of anxiety, you take a dose of Xanax that's maybe a little higher than you're supposed to, and you feel so good, but you also feel so sober.

02:18:06.000 Like, you're fucked up in that you feel more sober than you've ever felt in your life. 0.76

02:18:10.000 And so you're talkative, you're warm, you're emotional. 0.99

02:18:14.000 But then you can go to sleep at night because it's a downer.

02:18:17.000 I mean, it's very easy to sleep on these drugs.

02:18:19.000 You wake up refreshed.

02:18:20.000 You don't feel like you were doing drugs the night before. 0.98

02:18:22.000 You don't fucking remember anything that happened. 0.97

02:18:24.000 I mean, it's the same reason that people probably abuse Ambien. 0.99

02:18:27.000 You feel good when you're on it.

02:18:29.000 So Xanax makes you feel sober?

02:18:31.000 It made me feel sober, definitely.

02:18:33.000 So do you normally feel high?

02:18:34.000 No, I think it's that people who are anxious maybe have a little bit of an edge all the time, you know, maybe a little stress.

02:18:40.000 And I also struggle a lot with depression.

02:18:42.000 So I actually do medicate.

02:18:43.000 I take an antidepressant every day.

02:18:45.000 I take a very low dose of Celexa and I know that I need it.

02:18:49.000 I know what I'm like when I'm on it.

02:18:50.000 I know what I'm like when I'm off of it.

02:18:51.000 I know that my brain chemistry is such that a mild selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor It helps me prevent having major depressive episodes.

02:19:01.000 It helps me be functional.

02:19:02.000 And so now I am taking something that's a daily maintenance kind of thing.

02:19:07.000 But back in the day, I think that a lot of my experiments with drugs were attempts to self-medicate.

02:19:12.000 And when I would take something like Xanax or Valium, I felt sober.

02:19:17.000 Have you tried anything like 5-HTP? Have you tried any natural ways?

02:19:22.000 Yeah, I mean, and I think that for some people it's a difference between talking about just kind of elevating your mood when you're having a tough day and treating clinical depression.

02:19:31.000 Is this something that you feel runs in your family's genetic history?

02:19:36.000 Yeah, it does.

02:19:36.000 And I've dealt with it since I was a child.

02:19:38.000 And actually it was only last year that I started taking meds for the first time.

02:19:41.000 My whole life I've been in therapy and I've tried to work really hard to not have to take medication.

02:19:46.000 And sometimes I think it takes somebody kind of hitting a bottom or going to a place.

02:19:51.000 It's the same thing with people who actually abuse drugs and finally need to get off of him. 0.77

02:19:55.000 They go to a place where they go, I don't ever fucking want to go there again.

02:19:58.000 And that tells them, okay, I need to go into rehab. 0.99

02:20:01.000 For me, my antidepressants were kind of my rehab from my fucking brain. 0.99

02:20:07.000 I know that I have clinical depression and I know that it's a biological illness. 0.98

02:20:13.000 Mental illness has a...

02:20:15.000 A foundational root in your biology.

02:20:19.000 And so I've done the intervention with talk therapy my entire life.

02:20:23.000 I continue to do it.

02:20:24.000 It wasn't enough for me.

02:20:25.000 But I tried it for many, many years.

02:20:27.000 And I think that I just convinced myself that I would be okay.

02:20:30.000 But after enough bad behavior and after hurting myself and enough people in my life, I finally decided this is something that's important for me to do.

02:20:37.000 And now I really advocate for trying to erase the stigma.

02:20:40.000 With mental illness, trying to be as open.

02:20:42.000 It's not easy, but trying to be as open about it as I can.

02:20:44.000 So many people struggle with it. 0.98

02:20:46.000 And it's one of those things, almost like obesity, that we see in this country where there is a fair amount of people, for example, who eat like shit and they're fat. 0.99

02:20:54.000 And then there's some people who are morbidly clinically obese that have something wrong with them. 0.99

02:21:01.000 Nobody gets to be 600 pounds without some sort of mental illness or without some sort of A biochemical problem.

02:21:08.000 And I think for mental illness, it's the same kind of thing.

02:21:11.000 There are people who can kind of work through it with a lot of talk therapy, and there are people who have such a difficulty, such a kind of biochemical difficulty, where they need medical intervention. 0.95

02:21:21.000 And I would love to see it if we could start changing public perception about mental illness to look at it just like, you know, somebody has diabetes, they have to fucking take insulin. 0.76

02:21:30.000 And nobody goes, oh, you're just not thinking positively enough. 0.93

02:21:32.000 If you just think more positively, your cells can take in sugar.

02:21:35.000 Well, it's always ignorant when anybody tries to explain to you what's going on with your consciousness or your body. 0.81

02:21:42.000 It's crazy.

02:21:42.000 And it's things that people do because they don't like to see excuses in themselves.

02:21:47.000 So they try to squash them.

02:21:48.000 They do, and other people.

02:21:49.000 And what I say, I actually did a piece a long time ago about depression where I talk about it.

02:21:53.000 I was like, I have studied this from a neuroscientific perspective, but I also know what I'm talking about because I suffer from it myself, and this is what I've done, and I urge anybody who needs help to get help or whatever.

02:22:05.000 But I talk about the biochemistry, and I talk about some of the kind of biological causes of depression. 0.95

02:22:10.000 But one of the things that I say in the video is like, I'm so sick of people who will come into comment boards and be like, oh, you know, just fucking buck up or whatever. 0.92

02:22:18.000 I'm like, you know what? 0.97

02:22:19.000 I don't fucking want to be depressed. 0.93

02:22:21.000 Trust me, if I could just will myself out of this, I would. 0.99

02:22:24.000 Because whatever kind of pain it causes you to watch somebody who's depressed bitch and moan or cry... 1.00

02:22:32.000 We're good to go. 0.99

02:22:51.000 No! 1.00

02:22:52.000 Nobody's out there going, I want to get knocked up so that I can kill the fetus inside of me. 1.00

02:22:56.000 Of course not! 0.98

02:22:57.000 They want the option if there's a worst case scenario situation.

02:23:00.000 So you feel like this is a universal situation that all people that suffer from clinical depression, that it's just some sort of imbalance in the chemicals that your brain, your body produces?

02:23:14.000 I wouldn't say it's just.

02:23:14.000 I think that the nature-nurture argument has to come into play.

02:23:18.000 Because this is the problem with neuroplasticity.

02:23:22.000 It's the problem and the perk.

02:23:23.000 If you have, let's say, lower than normal levels of serotonin or dopamine or norepinephrine or whatever the combination is that causes your specific depression, If you have lower than normal levels of that, it's going to contribute to a lot of depressive thoughts.

02:23:40.000 Say that you have a lot of environmental things that happened in your life.

02:23:43.000 You had a difficult childhood, or you experienced trauma, or whatever the case may be.

02:23:47.000 Combined with this, the patterns in your brain, the actual networks in your brain, are going to be reinforced In these depressive ways.

02:23:57.000 So you immediately have a thought, for example, and you might go dark on that thought.

02:24:01.000 You might look at something as a glass half empty kind of way instead of a glass half full way.

02:24:05.000 And then what you're doing is you're reinforcing these.

02:24:07.000 So talk therapy can actually help you form new neural networks to come out of it.

02:24:11.000 But sometimes that's not enough for some people because there's still a strong biochemical basis.

02:24:15.000 So they may need both.

02:24:16.000 But I definitely think that drugs are never the answer without some form of therapy.

02:24:21.000 You've got to work through your day-to-day issues, too.

02:24:25.000 You've got to have some sort of cognitive behavioral intervention so that you can learn how to cope with the difficulties of life.

02:24:31.000 Because everybody has a lot of difficulties in life.

02:24:34.000 And people who have mental illness, it's just that much harder to get through the day.

02:24:37.000 It's that much harder to have a relationship or to keep your job.

02:24:41.000 What's the debate in the buck-up department?

02:24:44.000 The debate is that...

02:24:45.000 I mean, I don't think it's a legitimate debate.

02:24:47.000 It's not.

02:24:48.000 It's trolling.

02:24:49.000 Well, it seems like, though, that before you try any sort of chemical intervention into your consciousness, you should definitely try to get your health in order.

02:24:57.000 I think you should.

02:24:58.000 And I think that it also depends on where you are in the spectrum.

02:25:01.000 Obviously, somebody who is severely schizophrenic, who is having a schizophrenic episode, who is out on the streets.

02:25:07.000 You know, you see some of these homeless people who are out on the streets and they're talking to themselves.

02:25:10.000 That person needs Haldol.

02:25:12.000 That person needs medical intervention quickly.

02:25:14.000 Sometimes the medical intervention has to come first so that all of the other stuff can take place because they're that ill.

02:25:20.000 Other times, if we're talking about generalized anxiety, if we're talking about certain levels of depression, it may be the case that getting your diet in order Talking through some of your relationship issues, your work issues, all those things can exacerbate.

02:25:33.000 Then you'll actually kind of be able to tell, you know, a lot of things are going well in my life. 0.97

02:25:38.000 I'm feeling really good, but I still just have these days where I start fucking crying for no reason. 0.96

02:25:42.000 And I'm thinking about ending it all. 0.90

02:25:44.000 And it's like, well, where's that coming from?

02:25:45.000 You know what I mean?

02:25:46.000 That might be something that we need to talk about and try and have intervention with. 0.94

02:25:49.000 But somebody who is bipolar, for example, they're not going to be able to work on getting healthy because they're so mentally ill. 0.91

02:25:57.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:26:10.000 Yeah.

02:26:14.000 Yeah.

02:26:17.000 She's talking about you.

02:26:18.000 No.

02:26:19.000 Really?

02:26:19.000 Where did this come from?

02:26:20.000 I want to hear a backstory.

02:26:22.000 No, okay.

02:26:22.000 I just hang out at comedy clubs.

02:26:25.000 Nobody's getting laid at comedy clubs.

02:26:27.000 I'm joking around. 0.98

02:26:28.000 I'm just being a silly. 0.88

02:26:30.000 But yeah, I mean, those people, they may need medical intervention. 0.92

02:26:33.000 When you talked about doing Xanax and having that feeling that you were sober, wouldn't you think that would be like the ideal state of consciousness?

02:26:41.000 Have you ever tried to re-engineer that and find what the right mixture is to hit that ideal state of consciousness all the time?

02:26:46.000 I'm just so paranoid now about altering my consciousness through drugs.

02:26:53.000 Uh-huh.

02:26:53.000 That it's like, I'm finally at a place in my life where I'm pretty, pretty stable, and I know that I take the Celexa every day, or the Citalopram, and I like the dose that I'm on.

02:27:06.000 For example, and I know that I'm in a room full of men, and probably most of the people that are listening right now are dudes.

02:27:10.000 Well, there's at least one man here.

02:27:12.000 Yeah.

02:27:13.000 So dudes, plug your ears while I say this.

02:27:15.000 But I talk to my shrink sometimes about the fact that one time a month, for example, I get a lot more emotional.

02:27:20.000 And she says, you can up your dose during that week.

02:27:22.000 I personally don't want to up my dose during that week.

02:27:25.000 I don't like the way that I feel, but I also don't want to just medicate that out of myself.

02:27:29.000 I'm on the right dose right now that I can still cry.

02:27:32.000 If something sad happens, I still cry.

02:27:34.000 I'm not a zombie.

02:27:35.000 I'm not numb to my emotions.

02:27:37.000 I found the right level.

02:27:39.000 So that I don't always just cry for no reason or so that I don't have a major depressive episode that I feel like I'm never going to get out of.

02:27:46.000 Because that, I think...

02:27:47.000 I can't speak for anybody else, but for myself, the way that my depressive episodes worked or they happened was...

02:27:54.000 Just like if you've ever taken acid or you've been on a drug, at a certain point, you're like, this is never going to stop. 0.94

02:28:00.000 And it kind of sucks.

02:28:01.000 Like, you kind of have this fear, like, is this ever going to go away? 0.98

02:28:04.000 Or is this what I'm like now?

02:28:05.000 And that's how it would feel to me when I would go into a depressive episode.

02:28:08.000 It's like, I'm so sad and I'm crying.

02:28:11.000 I'm so low and I don't think I'm ever going to come out of it.

02:28:14.000 And that's when I think for some people, you know, bad things like suicidal thoughts or ideation start to come into play.

02:28:18.000 That's also when us guys run...

02:28:21.000 We run like the wind.

02:28:23.000 Or I tickle you.

02:28:24.000 We start crying for no reason. 0.99

02:28:25.000 Yeah, and girls, oh man, we cry for no fucking reason. 0.99

02:28:28.000 Or you tickle. 0.99

02:28:29.000 That's good.

02:28:29.000 That's a better...

02:28:30.000 Crying for no reason is a hard one.

02:28:31.000 Crying for no reason is a hard one.

02:28:32.000 So I'm going to give you a word of advice, all you guys who are listening.

02:28:35.000 No matter what she says, if she starts crying for no reason and she can't figure out and you go, but do you want this?

02:28:40.000 No!

02:28:41.000 Get her on drugs. 1.00

02:28:42.000 No.

02:28:42.000 No, what you need to do is you just need to put your arms around her.

02:28:45.000 Really?

02:28:46.000 Even if she tries to push you away.

02:28:47.000 Just put your arms around her.

02:28:49.000 Even if she tries to push you away. 0.97

02:28:49.000 Are you advocating rape? 0.97

02:28:51.000 No, no, no. 1.00

02:28:51.000 Don't try to have sex with her. 1.00

02:28:52.000 Don't try to kiss her. 0.98

02:28:54.000 There's such a difference between sexual intimacy and emotional kind of almost paternal intimacy. 0.99

02:29:00.000 Now you're just talking crazy. 0.96

02:29:02.000 Put your arms around her. 0.66

02:29:03.000 I'm giving you the advice of your life right now.

02:29:05.000 I've dated girls exactly like that, and I've had to do that exact same thing.

02:29:09.000 And it works, right?

02:29:10.000 It does.

02:29:10.000 She'll freak out, but you just have to squeeze her.

02:29:12.000 Everybody wants to be hugged.

02:29:13.000 And then she will calm down, because what she needs is to feel like you don't think she's crazy, and no matter what, you still love her.

02:29:21.000 And she'll get through it.

02:29:22.000 You are supporting crazy behavior.

02:29:24.000 And I'm not having it. 1.00

02:29:26.000 Tell that bitch to get her shit together. 1.00

02:29:28.000 No, no, no, no, no. 1.00

02:29:29.000 And just go to the bar and drink with your friends.

02:29:31.000 Oh my god.

02:29:32.000 Don't listen to Joe.

02:29:33.000 Whatever you do, don't listen to Joe.

02:29:36.000 I want you to get in your car. 1.00

02:29:37.000 I want you to put Sweet Home Alabama on and crank that shit. 1.00

02:29:42.000 And just drive, man. 1.00

02:29:43.000 Just get away. 0.98

02:29:45.000 Okay, single guys who want to stay single.

02:29:47.000 Listen to Joe.

02:29:48.000 It's not your problem.

02:29:49.000 Listen, there are certain tasks that you do not want to take in life. 0.98

02:29:53.000 There's a guy who's making a fucking monument to Crazy Horse. 0.97

02:29:55.000 He didn't complete it. 0.99

02:29:56.000 His children are trying to complete it.

02:29:58.000 You know why?

02:29:59.000 He tried to get too crazy.

02:30:01.000 Don't get too crazy.

02:30:03.000 If this girl matters to you, if she is the girl, if you want to marry her, if she's your life, I do. 0.97

02:30:09.000 Why would you do that if she's all crazy? 0.93

02:30:11.000 Because you love her anyway. 0.97

02:30:12.000 But what if you just met her and she's already all crazy? 0.87

02:30:14.000 Do you take on that task?

02:30:16.000 I'm sorry, but all girls... 1.00

02:30:17.000 It's part of being a girl is being a little crazy. 0.94

02:30:20.000 Wow, you're so wrong.

02:30:22.000 All guys are a little bit aggressive.

02:30:24.000 Not Brian.

02:30:25.000 Not me.

02:30:26.000 Brian's not even remotely aggressive.

02:30:27.000 He might be your ideal man.

02:30:28.000 You've never been aggressive in your whole life?

02:30:30.000 No, no.

02:30:31.000 He is absolutely not aggressive.

02:30:32.000 I've fought off girls that were being aggressive. 1.00

02:30:34.000 He's not aggressive with guys.

02:30:35.000 He's not aggressive with girls.

02:30:36.000 You're right.

02:30:36.000 I shouldn't speak in generalities.

02:30:38.000 He's a rare bird.

02:30:39.000 I've never met anyone like him.

02:30:40.000 It's not uncommon for guys to be somewhat aggressive, and that comes on different scales.

02:30:43.000 I don't even know what you're talking about.

02:30:45.000 And it's not uncommon for girls to be emotional.

02:30:47.000 I don't want to say crazy.

02:30:49.000 Look, I eat so much adenami and almond milkshakes.

02:30:54.000 Yeah, the estrogen.

02:30:55.000 You've got all of those phytoestrogens in you.

02:30:57.000 By the way, it's all GMO. Yeah, it is.

02:30:59.000 That's true.

02:30:59.000 Everything he eats is GMO. And you'll become docile.

02:31:01.000 He's growing fucking... 0.99

02:31:04.000 Huge area all this. 0.99

02:31:05.000 Yeah.

02:31:06.000 That is somewhat true, that if you eat too much soy...

02:31:11.000 And smoke too much weed.

02:31:12.000 No, I think the real issue is that soy has high levels of phytoestrogens, but there's absolutely no reason to believe that eating plant estrogens are going to affect your own human estrogens.

02:31:23.000 It's a completely different model.

02:31:24.000 What if you're a vegetarian?

02:31:27.000 It's not going to affect you.

02:31:29.000 That was a Brian question. 0.96

02:31:31.000 That's like saying that if a girl swallowed a bunch of cum, she would become more manly because there's so much testosterone. 1.00

02:31:37.000 First of all, you don't know anything. 0.99

02:31:38.000 They would.

02:31:39.000 They'd get stronger.

02:31:40.000 They'd think better.

02:31:41.000 Did you know that there's a tribe in New Guinea, not just one tribe, but many that force the boys at a very young age to ingest their sperm? 0.70

02:31:50.000 Hmm. 0.99

02:31:51.000 And it's not just like one of them, it's really fucking crazy. 0.89

02:31:54.000 There's like many, many islands where they practice this, where they take these boys away from their mother at a very early age and they live in these bachelor houses. 0.99

02:32:04.000 They live with men and the men give them sperm to make them grow. 0.99

02:32:08.000 And they think it helps them grow. 0.91

02:32:09.000 They believe that's the only way.

02:32:10.000 Well, I mean, in Africa there are many, many, many areas in Africa where they still eat bushmeat, where they'll still kind of murder chimpanzees, gorillas, and they'll drink their blood because they think that it gives them life force. 0.94

02:32:20.000 It thinks that it makes them stronger.

02:32:21.000 There's a lot of lore connected to that.

02:32:23.000 It's not true, the same way that drinking sperm would not make you grow faster. 1.00

02:32:27.000 You say that, but meanwhile, these guys are the baddest motherfuckers on earth. 0.99

02:32:30.000 You go there, they're flying through the air and climbing trees. 0.99

02:32:34.000 All right, just so everybody knows, Joe Rogan is advocating drinking your own.

02:32:37.000 Joe, did you watch a documentary?

02:32:39.000 That's not even advocating your own.

02:32:40.000 How scientific are you?

02:32:42.000 Did you watch a documentary on this?

02:32:44.000 There's little boys doing this.

02:32:45.000 No! 0.99

02:32:46.000 Look, it's fucking disgusting, but it's something that's going on right now. 0.99

02:32:51.000 I was having this conversation with a buddy we were talking about, Greg Fitzsimmons, last night. 0.99

02:32:56.000 We were talking about circumcision and how crazy it is.

02:32:59.000 It is crazy.

02:32:59.000 I feel like if I had a little boy, I would not circumcise a little boy.

02:33:02.000 Of course you wouldn't!

02:33:03.000 Of course you wouldn't!

02:33:04.000 It's like unnecessary mutilation.

02:33:08.000 A child just died recently because of that.

02:33:11.000 Oh no, that's horrible.

02:33:12.000 They did it at home.

02:33:13.000 Someone did it at home.

02:33:13.000 The kid bled to death.

02:33:14.000 Both of my sister's kids, both of them, went to high-tech, new hospitals, and both of their shit got fucked up the first time. 0.99

02:33:23.000 So they had to go back months later, put them to sleep, and redo it. 0.99

02:33:27.000 Both of them, though.

02:33:28.000 Both of them. 1.00

02:33:29.000 Put a baby to sleep to fix their dick. 1.00

02:33:31.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00

02:33:32.000 For no fucking reason. 1.00

02:33:33.000 For no reason. 1.00

02:33:35.000 It's so dumb. 0.99

02:33:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:33:36.000 But the idea...

02:33:37.000 It's tradition.

02:33:38.000 That's all it is at this point.

02:33:39.000 It's tradition.

02:33:40.000 But you get creep... 0.99

02:33:41.000 Have you been with a guy that's had that cock before? 0.99

02:33:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:33:44.000 No, I have.

02:33:45.000 Does it creep you out a little?

02:33:46.000 No, I've been with like three guys that were uncertain.

02:33:47.000 She's smart, dude. 0.98

02:33:48.000 She's not a dumbass. 0.97

02:33:49.000 I mean, out of what? 0.98

02:33:50.000 Like 200?

02:33:51.000 By the way, it looks...

02:33:52.000 Hey! 0.99

02:33:53.000 Whoa.

02:33:55.000 I'm just saying that's big numbers, like three.

02:33:58.000 Most girls are like, I saw one once. 0.99

02:33:59.000 I'm a very progressive, liberal girl, alright?

02:34:03.000 What does that mean? 1.00

02:34:04.000 You fuck African guys? 1.00

02:34:05.000 No, no, no. 1.00

02:34:08.000 Straight to the motherland?

02:34:09.000 But I do think that a lot of more progressive and liberal thinkers, maybe people who have more liberal parents, are probably people who are less likely to be circumcised.

02:34:17.000 Is it hard to date you because you're so smart?

02:34:19.000 Oh.

02:34:20.000 I'm only really attracted to smart guys, so that's usually not an issue.

02:34:26.000 So you're out, dude.

02:34:27.000 Sorry.

02:34:27.000 But, by the way, just so you know, is anybody here an un?

02:34:31.000 You're all circumcised here? 0.99

02:34:32.000 An un? 0.74

02:34:32.000 Yeah, that's what we call them, an un. 0.74

02:34:33.000 Oh, no.

02:34:34.000 You're all circumcised? 0.98

02:34:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:34:36.000 Trunk monkeys?

02:34:37.000 Guys who are uncircumcised, by the way, in case of you don't know, it looks the exact same when it's hard. 0.99

02:34:43.000 Yeah, we've seen porn. 0.95

02:34:44.000 It looks the same.

02:34:45.000 We know.

02:34:45.000 Why does it freak anybody out?

02:34:47.000 The extra skin freaks people out. 1.00

02:34:48.000 Because I'm really tired.

02:34:49.000 Whatever.

02:34:50.000 The sleeping bag weenie.

02:34:51.000 It's nonsense.

02:34:52.000 The sleeping bag weenie?

02:34:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:34:53.000 It's one of the dumbest things that human beings still do. 1.00

02:34:56.000 And do under the guise, really, at the lowest levels of it, when the Orthodox Jews do it, when the rabbi has to suck the baby's penis to stop the blood. 1.00

02:35:05.000 I don't want to talk about that. 0.99

02:35:06.000 Yeah, you don't want to talk about that again.

02:35:07.000 Yeah, that makes me really uncomfortable.

02:35:08.000 It's craziness.

02:35:09.000 I know. 1.00

02:35:09.000 Fucking religion. 1.00

02:35:10.000 Can we just say that? 1.00

02:35:11.000 Fucking religion. 1.00

02:35:12.000 Fucking religion. 1.00

02:35:13.000 Yep. 1.00

02:35:13.000 Yeah, indeed. 1.00

02:35:14.000 How much shit do you take, like, if you do something like this, how much shit do you take on Twitter, like, from people that are Bible bangers? 1.00

02:35:20.000 Oh, you know, I don't have that many Bible-beater followers, so I think they kind of know. 1.00

02:35:24.000 People are going to find out, because they're either going to troll you and pretend they're Bible-beater followers.

02:35:28.000 Because, you know, I am an atheist, and I say it a lot, you know?

02:35:31.000 That pisses people off, doesn't it?

02:35:32.000 It kind of does, but I feel like I need...

02:35:34.000 I did an episode of this internet show called The Point, which is a Young Turks spinoff show, and it's like an hour-long just talk, you know?

02:35:44.000 Three people in a panel and a host, and I hosted an episode that was all about atheism, and I made sure that everybody on the panel was...

02:35:50.000 Was an atheist.

02:35:51.000 And a lot of people were like, ah, so one-sided.

02:35:53.000 And I was like, no, no, no. 0.98

02:35:54.000 This isn't a fucking debate as to whether or not God exists. 0.96

02:35:57.000 That's not the point of this show. 0.98

02:35:58.000 The point of this show is to show you what it means to be an atheist.

02:36:01.000 Where do we get our morals? 0.92

02:36:02.000 What kinds of people are we?

02:36:04.000 We've got to start getting rid of the stigma. 1.00

02:36:07.000 Because, honestly, atheists take more shit than a lot of minority groups. 1.00

02:36:11.000 And it's one of the biggest minority groups out there. 1.00

02:36:13.000 But if you look across the board in positions of political power, It's a fucking death wish if you tell your constituency that you don't believe in God. 0.99

02:36:22.000 You're not going to get elected. 0.99

02:36:24.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

02:36:25.000 The idea that doing things just because they're the right thing to do and it's great for the community, that's never considered.

02:36:31.000 The people have to have some sort of a belief and some sort of a...

02:36:35.000 Yeah, that they can't possibly get their morals elsewhere.

02:36:37.000 Yeah, it's impossible unless there's a deity involved.

02:36:39.000 It's so funny when people are like, yeah, but thou shalt not kill.

02:36:41.000 And I'm like, really? 0.99

02:36:42.000 If there were never any Christianity, if there's never any Bible, or I should say Judaism, because it's in the first ten books, if that never existed, we just would all be fucking killing each other. 0.97

02:36:52.000 Nobody would ever stop and go, probably we shouldn't kill each other. 1.00

02:36:55.000 It's so fucking stupid. 1.00

02:36:56.000 It's insane. 1.00

02:36:57.000 Well, it's just so weird, as we were saying before, that there are positive aspects to the idea of living your life in, I want to say a pious manner, or a spiritual manner, because that's really tainted too.

02:37:09.000 A moral manner.

02:37:10.000 A moral manner.

02:37:11.000 I strive to be as moral as possible.

02:37:13.000 And loving.

02:37:14.000 Yeah, golden rule.

02:37:15.000 I feel like the golden rule is so kind of, it applies to everybody.

02:37:20.000 Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

02:37:22.000 And it's possible that if everybody followed that, most of the disputes that people have could be worked out.

02:37:28.000 If you really treat people as if they are your brothers and sisters and you are all in this together.

02:37:34.000 But we've got to figure out how to get everybody on that same road.

02:37:39.000 Because if two people can get along and a group of people can get along, then we can all get along.

02:37:43.000 We just have to figure out how to treat everybody like they're in your group.

02:37:46.000 We love the in-group, out-group status situation. 0.87

02:37:48.000 We love teams.

02:37:50.000 Everything comes down to that.

02:37:51.000 Everything comes down to in-group, out-group psychology.

02:37:53.000 Whether it's religion, whether it's politics, it all comes down to us versus them. 0.97

02:37:57.000 And it feels like so many people need a them in order to define an us.

02:38:01.000 Well, they need that with Mac versus PC. They need it with everything.

02:38:04.000 They need it with Samsung.

02:38:05.000 And I say they, but we do too.

02:38:06.000 I'm sure that we fall victim to this.

02:38:07.000 Verizon versus AT&T. Hello?

02:38:09.000 iPhone?

02:38:10.000 People get mad if you have AT&T and they have Verizon. 0.99

02:38:13.000 They'll talk shit about it. 1.00

02:38:14.000 They'll be like, oh, I don't get any fucking service in your apartment. 1.00

02:38:17.000 You can't even Google search while you're on the phone. 0.99

02:38:18.000 Like, what do you care, man?

02:38:20.000 Why are you attached to me switching providers?

02:38:23.000 And it goes back to our tribes of monkey people trying to stay alive by being as close together as possible.

02:38:28.000 Yeah, and that outside, those are invaded.

02:38:30.000 And it's funny, because if you look at two of our closest genetic relatives, chimpanzees and bonobos, they're very similar.

02:38:36.000 Actually, the bonobo used to be called the pygmy chimpanzee, but we know that they're two separate species.

02:38:41.000 The bonobo only live in a certain part of the Congo, and they resolve all of their differences through sex. 0.95

02:38:48.000 They're like the most amicable species. 0.99

02:38:50.000 They're constantly fucking. 0.96

02:38:52.000 They're always sharing. 0.99

02:38:53.000 They're just these really positive... 0.97

02:38:56.000 Sex-crazed primates, whereas chimpanzees can be very violent.

02:39:00.000 I mean, they can also be kind, but they have a strong idea of in-group, out-group status. 0.99

02:39:06.000 And they'll kill warring chimpanzees. 1.00

02:39:08.000 They still fuck, of course, but they fuck for procreation. 1.00

02:39:11.000 I mean, it's a very different... 0.99

02:39:12.000 They probably fuck for pleasure from time to time, too, but it's very different. 0.99

02:39:16.000 Bonobos, when they're observed, they're just always having sex. 0.99

02:39:18.000 Young with old, related, not related, while they're eating dinner with a baby on their back.

02:39:23.000 They figured a way to stay out of the zoo. 1.00

02:39:25.000 Just fuck like crazy and they'll never put you in the zoo. 1.00

02:39:27.000 That would draw so many people to the zoo. 1.00

02:39:29.000 The zoo doesn't want that.

02:39:30.000 The zoo doesn't want reality. 1.00

02:39:31.000 The zoo doesn't want people to just watch bonobos fuck. 0.99

02:39:33.000 They'd get so many more visitors. 0.99

02:39:34.000 They'd get so many more visitors.

02:39:35.000 The zoo doesn't let animals do what they actually do in the real world.

02:39:39.000 Well, because they'd also have to be supplying gazelles. 1.00

02:39:41.000 That would be the shit. 0.99

02:39:42.000 It would, but it would be really expensive. 0.99

02:39:45.000 Why would it be so expensive?

02:39:46.000 Breed your own grizzles.

02:39:47.000 Grizzles.

02:39:49.000 Why not?

02:39:49.000 That's true.

02:39:50.000 I mean, if you're going to have an animal and lock them in an area, the least you could do is give them some fun.

02:39:55.000 I mean, give them the genetic thrills that are put in place, the reward systems.

02:39:59.000 At least I feel like there's a push with some new zoos, hopefully.

02:40:03.000 I mean, you're starting to see zoos combining with universities where we're seeing kind of animal behavior as really being a big part of the design of the zoo and worrying more about an animal's well-being Not just whether it stays alive, but it's psychiatric health.

02:40:18.000 Yeah, I think that's really important.

02:40:20.000 I was in Denver at the zoo and we were walking past this one exhibit and there was this one monkey that was by himself and he was wailing in agony.

02:40:28.000 Just wailing.

02:40:29.000 And you could tell he was going nuts. 0.91

02:40:30.000 He's in this cage. 0.54

02:40:31.000 People are spinning around staring at him.

02:40:33.000 There's nothing to do but swing from this rope to that rope.

02:40:35.000 It's a very small area.

02:40:35.000 So sad.

02:40:36.000 And he was just screaming.

02:40:37.000 And it was like a tortured soul.

02:40:39.000 It was like listening to someone go insane.

02:40:41.000 Yeah.

02:40:42.000 Poor monkey. 1.00

02:40:43.000 That's fucked up. 1.00

02:40:44.000 How much is it worth to watch that guy in real life? 0.99

02:40:47.000 Wouldn't it be better to have him in the jungle and make a DVD of it and put it up on a big screen?

02:40:51.000 It would, but this monkey might have been born in captivity.

02:40:54.000 Yeah.

02:40:54.000 You know what I mean?

02:40:55.000 It might not be able to go back into wild because it would just die.

02:40:57.000 But it's like when you go by someone's yard and they have a dog, a big dog in a tiny little yard. 0.98

02:41:01.000 The dog's going fucking crazy. 0.99

02:41:03.000 I know. 0.99

02:41:03.000 That's not cool, man. 0.99

02:41:04.000 It's not cool.

02:41:05.000 You're torturing this animal. 1.00

02:41:06.000 You're fucking with its life. 0.98

02:41:07.000 And if that's what you're doing when you're doing a zoo, shouldn't they have a minimal size, at least with the intelligent animals? 0.95

02:41:13.000 Yeah, and I think that new zoos are starting to do that.

02:41:15.000 The L.A. Zoo has a really good elephant enclosure because elephants are up there, like elephants with apes.

02:41:22.000 We're much more concerned because of the cognitive functions of these animals.

02:41:28.000 So a lot of zoos don't even keep elephants because they're not comfortable with it or if they're keeping apes.

02:41:33.000 At least I hope to see more zoos trying because there is kind of an argument for and against zoos.

02:41:39.000 A lot of animal rights activists, which I would never call myself an animal rights activist, but I call myself an animal...

02:41:45.000 I'm an advocate for animal welfare because I am for using animals in laboratory research.

02:41:50.000 But I think that their welfare needs to be cared for. 0.99

02:41:54.000 Damn, you're for like monkeys or rabbits? 0.99

02:41:57.000 Do you use primates in animal research? 0.99

02:41:59.000 Primates are, you know, I have been experiencing shifting views with primates.

02:42:04.000 I think that What about Planet of the Apes?

02:42:19.000 Did you see the prequel?

02:42:23.000 I liked the prequel.

02:42:24.000 Yeah.

02:42:25.000 Yeah, I thought it was really good. 0.98

02:42:26.000 Yeah, or what about that fucking 28 Days Later when they gave him that rage? 0.98

02:42:32.000 They gave him the rage? 0.99

02:42:33.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:42:34.000 But that didn't happen in real life, though.

02:42:36.000 That happened in the movie.

02:42:38.000 No, but what did happen in real life is just scary when you think about different diseases that do exist. 0.99

02:42:44.000 Oh, fuck yeah. 0.98

02:42:44.000 It's nutty how many we've created, too. 0.98

02:42:47.000 That's what's really scary, how many people have created these biological weapons that if they got out, wipe out giant cities, whoops, we just want to see if we can make it.

02:42:56.000 That's true.

02:42:56.000 I mean, that's true.

02:42:57.000 And we continue to do this kind of research.

02:43:00.000 And what is this research mostly funded by?

02:43:03.000 Defense.

02:43:04.000 Yeah.

02:43:04.000 I mean, this is national defense.

02:43:05.000 That's a lot of money and fucking people up. 0.97

02:43:06.000 Exactly. 0.89

02:43:07.000 That's so true.

02:43:07.000 Do you know that bonobos will have sex in every combination except mother and son?

02:43:12.000 That's the only combination. 0.53

02:43:13.000 That makes bonobos more moral than people.

02:43:16.000 That's true. 1.00

02:43:16.000 Because someone out there, some dude has fucked his mom. 1.00

02:43:18.000 Yeah, that's true. 1.00

02:43:19.000 And it's like somehow they know...

02:43:22.000 Whether it's instinctual or they've kind of learned some sort of disgust signal through that. 0.99

02:43:28.000 Because if they bred mother and son, they would end up with a lot of fucked up genetic problems. 1.00

02:43:34.000 So they can fuck any others, but mother and son can't breed. 1.00

02:43:38.000 It's fascinating. 1.00

02:43:39.000 They must have just produced too many bad kids and then realized that.

02:43:42.000 So there's got to be a connection here.

02:43:44.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:43:44.000 But how would they know who impregnated them if everyone's fucking everybody? 0.98

02:43:47.000 I don't know. 1.00

02:43:47.000 And they fuck face to face, which is really crazy to watch. 1.00

02:43:50.000 Yeah, it's really... 1.00

02:43:51.000 I mean, it's kind of cool to see them... 0.98

02:43:52.000 They have sex like humans do. 0.99

02:43:54.000 And most species don't. 0.93

02:43:55.000 Most all species have sex from behind.

02:43:57.000 It's because you've got to look out for predators.

02:43:59.000 They're up in the trees. 0.98

02:44:00.000 Well, also, a lot of animal sex, I would venture to guess, is kind of rapey. 0.99

02:44:03.000 It's a little rapey. 0.99

02:44:04.000 A little rapey? 0.99

02:44:05.000 Yeah.

02:44:05.000 Have you paid any attention to that giant chimp that they found in the Congo?

02:44:09.000 The Bondo ape?

02:44:11.000 No.

02:44:12.000 Yeah, they found this guy named Carl Amon.

02:44:15.000 He's a Swiss wildlife photographer, and he started studying them in 96. They have some camera trap photos, and then they started sending expeditions, and they found it's a completely different strain.

02:44:27.000 If you, like, look Google Image, you can see how big they are. 0.99

02:44:30.000 They're fucking... 0.99

02:44:30.000 What is it called? 0.99

02:44:31.000 The Bondo Ape.

02:44:33.000 Bondo Ape.

02:44:33.000 Bondo Mystery Ape.

02:44:34.000 National Geographic has some great articles on it.

02:44:37.000 Don't you love Nat Geo?

02:44:38.000 Love it.

02:44:39.000 Love it.

02:44:40.000 It's a complete different subspecies of chimpanzee, but they have a crest on their head like gorillas, and they're enormous.

02:44:46.000 And they nest on the ground. 0.99

02:44:47.000 They don't sleep up in the trees because they're big, and they don't give a fuck. 0.99

02:44:50.000 And the locals call them lion killers. 0.99

02:44:53.000 They say they have two different types of chimps.

02:44:55.000 They do look like chimps, you're right.

02:44:56.000 They're giant chimps. 0.85

02:44:58.000 It's actually the same sort of creature that was in Michael Crichton's book, The Congo, that silly movie.

02:45:03.000 The book was apparently very good.

02:45:05.000 Crichton was a great author.

02:45:06.000 There was a lot of really good science.

02:45:08.000 He gets very science fiction-y, but come on.

02:45:10.000 He even got the color of them, because they have a gray color, especially when they get older.

02:45:14.000 Sort of like how silverbacks turn gray.

02:45:16.000 These chimps turn gray, too.

02:45:18.000 And they thought it could be some sort of a hybrid between chimps and gorillas.

02:45:21.000 They're not completely sure that it's not, but most likely they think that it's just a subspecies that only exists in this one area called Bili.

02:45:30.000 Well, yeah, I mean, it happens.

02:45:31.000 Like the bonobos, they're only across... 0.99

02:45:33.000 A certain river in the Congo, and they just stayed there and evolved, and they don't exist anywhere else.

02:45:38.000 And they have video of one of them eating a leopard.

02:45:40.000 Oh, that's amazing.

02:45:41.000 Yeah.

02:45:41.000 They don't know if it killed a leopard, but they know it ate it.

02:45:44.000 Yeah, they're fucking huge. 0.98

02:45:46.000 These are like, you know, if you think about a regular chimp being 150, 200 pounds and having the strength of whatever it is, a 500-pound man. 1.00

02:45:52.000 So scary, yeah.

02:45:53.000 How big are these things?

02:45:54.000 Like 300, 400 pounds, 500 pounds?

02:45:57.000 They're like at least 100 pounds bigger than a regular chimp. 1.00

02:45:59.000 Reviewed a shrug.

02:46:00.000 Some of them that are six feet tall and they're standing up.

02:46:03.000 They have camera trap photos of them that, like, they say, that's a six foot tall chimp.

02:46:06.000 Yeah.

02:46:07.000 A six foot tall chimp! 1.00

02:46:08.000 That's a lot taller than me.

02:46:09.000 So no Bigfoot, but that can exist, but no Bigfoot.

02:46:12.000 I'm just saying that they've been looking for it for a really long time.

02:46:15.000 But who's been looking?

02:46:16.000 You ever watch Finding Bigfoot?

02:46:17.000 That's true. 0.99

02:46:20.000 Not that they don't know what the fuck they're doing, but they don't know what the fuck they're doing. 0.99

02:46:23.000 Yeah, that's probably true. 0.99

02:46:24.000 But I'm sure somebody who knows what they're doing has looked.

02:46:26.000 Survivorman.

02:46:27.000 That's Stroud.

02:46:28.000 Survivorman's badass.

02:46:29.000 He is badass.

02:46:29.000 He's like really badass.

02:46:30.000 We had him on the podcast.

02:46:31.000 You did?

02:46:31.000 That's amazing.

02:46:32.000 He's going to go and live in the forest and try to find Bigfoot because he had an experience in Alaska.

02:46:37.000 He had some bipedal thing making ape noises really loud 50 feet from his tent in the middle of nowhere. 0.99

02:46:44.000 Why didn't he take a fucking picture? 0.99

02:46:46.000 He tried. 1.00

02:46:46.000 He tried to get out his camera but the thing ran away. 1.00

02:46:48.000 He was in his tent and he heard it walking around outside in the middle of the night and then he heard hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo.

02:46:54.000 He said it was really loud and it was only like 50 feet from his tent. 0.97

02:46:57.000 He said it was the freakiest fucking thing he's ever experienced in his life. 0.97

02:47:00.000 He knew it wasn't a moose. 0.99

02:47:02.000 He was walking on two feet for sure.

02:47:04.000 He knew it wasn't a bear.

02:47:04.000 It wasn't making bear noises.

02:47:06.000 He thinks it was an ape.

02:47:07.000 And with that, ladies and gentlemen...

02:47:09.000 This has been a three-hour podcast. 0.99

02:47:11.000 Holy shit! 0.99

02:47:12.000 It went by in ten minutes. 0.99

02:47:13.000 It really did.

02:47:14.000 You're right.

02:47:14.000 Listen, you're a fascinating person.

02:47:16.000 Thank you very much for coming on.

02:47:17.000 Oh, thanks for having me.

02:47:18.000 And if you ever want to come on again, if you ever need anything to promote, please let us know.

02:47:20.000 The Olive Garden.

02:47:21.000 Yeah, if you want to learn about the number seven.

02:47:23.000 I kind of love the Olive Garden, by the way.

02:47:25.000 Oh! 0.60

02:47:25.000 What? 0.60

02:47:26.000 Love is in the air.

02:47:28.000 I do love the Olive Garden.

02:47:29.000 It makes me nostalgic for the town I grew up in.

02:47:32.000 Oh, that's me.

02:47:33.000 Cool.

02:47:36.000 Powerful Cara Santa Maria on Twitter, ladies and gentlemen. 1.00

02:47:39.000 That's C-A-R-A, not Cara, like that white trash bitch that you went out with in high school. 1.00

02:47:45.000 Hey! 1.00

02:47:46.000 All the Caras with a K are mad at me now. 1.00

02:47:48.000 Listen, I'm so sorry that I sacrificed our friendship just for a cheap joke.

02:47:52.000 I really have no issue with Keras with a K. God bless you.

02:47:56.000 How about that?

02:47:57.000 Thank you very much to everybody that sponsored this podcast.

02:48:00.000 There's too numerous to mention.

02:48:02.000 They are too numerous to mention, but I'll try.

02:48:04.000 Onnit.com, Ting, and the game.

02:48:09.000 Kerosene.

02:48:09.000 Kerosene Games.

02:48:10.000 What is it?

02:48:11.000 Bladeslinger? 1.00

02:48:12.000 God damn it, you motherfucker. 1.00

02:48:14.000 Can I say that somebody has, our friend Jill, friend of the show, has put together a Death Squad calendar that has everybody's dates. 1.00

02:48:21.000 Your dates, Kreischer dates, Everlast's dates, Honey Honey's, mine.

02:48:25.000 And if you go to DeathSquad.tv, it's the Death Squad calendar at the top.

02:48:28.000 And then we also have some dates in San Diego, 12-12.

02:48:32.000 I'm going to be there with a couple people and in improv the 20th.

02:48:37.000 And I'm going to be in Seattle this weekend. 0.99

02:48:40.000 But it's sold out, you dirty bitches! 1.00

02:48:43.000 Sorry! 1.00

02:48:44.000 You snooze, you lose.

02:48:46.000 Bladeslinger is the name of the game. 0.89

02:48:47.000 And it's $2.99 on the iPhone app store and it's pretty fucking sweet.

02:48:51.000 And they're cool.

02:48:52.000 So go support them and go buy their...

02:48:54.000 What's $2.99, folks? 0.99

02:48:55.000 It ain't shit. 0.98

02:48:56.000 It's a lot of work these people put into it. 0.99

02:48:57.000 Have some respect.

02:48:59.000 Have some respect for Cara Santa Maria and you can check out her page.

02:49:04.000 Which is called Talk Nerdy to Me. 0.99

02:49:07.000 Do you get it, you fucks? 0.99

02:49:09.000 You see what she's saying? 1.00

02:49:10.000 I could talk nerdy to you if you want me to.

02:49:11.000 Yeah, you can find it on HuffPostScience.

02:49:13.000 HuffPostScience.

02:49:15.000 Talk-nerdy-to-me.

02:49:17.000 What do you know about RSS feeds? 0.99

02:49:19.000 She don't know shit about RSS. I can teach you. 0.98

02:49:21.000 I can learn you.

02:49:23.000 Thanks to everybody else.

02:49:24.000 Do we include everybody?

02:49:25.000 Yeah.

02:49:26.000 Ting.

02:49:27.000 On it.

02:49:27.000 Good night.

02:49:28.000 We'll be back tomorrow with the beautiful and talented Ari Shafir.

02:49:32.000 Our brother Ari Shafir.

02:49:34.000 First time in the new studio.

02:49:35.000 And that's it.

02:49:37.000 Oh, and there's only a few tickets left for the End of the World show.

02:49:40.000 Yes.

02:49:41.000 Honey Honey, Doug Stanhope, Joe Diaz, and me.

02:49:44.000 12-21-2012, out to Woltern in LA. Holla at ya, boy.

02:49:49.000 Look, we love the fuck out of you guys. 0.97

02:49:51.000 We'll see you tomorrow.

02:49:52.000 Bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 05, 2012

Joe Rogan Experience #293 - Cara Santamaria

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