The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #384 - Ian McCall

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00:00:08.000 I don't fuck around. 0.99

00:00:10.000 This show has... 1.00

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00:00:17.000 If this is the first one you've ever listened to, and you're like, this fucking Joe Rogan show is totally unprofessional. 0.96

00:00:22.000 You should edit it. 0.97

00:00:24.000 Stop now.

00:00:25.000 It's not going to get any better from here.

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00:01:47.000 No risk.

00:01:48.000 I love that.

00:01:49.000 That's what America loves. 1.00

00:01:50.000 I want to be able to just do shit. 1.00

00:01:50.000 No risk. 1.00

00:01:52.000 Get away with it.

00:01:53.000 Can't fix that. 1.00

00:01:54.000 Once they fix bodies, once they figure out how to fix bodies, we're fucked. 0.99

00:01:57.000 That's what everybody wants. 0.99

00:01:58.000 Everybody wants no risk.

00:02:00.000 Right?

00:02:00.000 You saw the guy with the two arms, the guy in the Marines or whatever, got blown up in Afghanistan and they put...

00:02:08.000 Prosthetics?

00:02:09.000 No, they put someone else's arms on his arms.

00:02:12.000 Oh my god, wow.

00:02:12.000 And it was on the chive.

00:02:13.000 And I just remember like...

00:02:16.000 Wow. 0.97

00:02:18.000 If there really is a god, he's gonna kill us for this. 0.75

00:02:22.000 We are playing a fine line here.

00:02:25.000 It was awesome.

00:02:26.000 The guy looked like he had lost his arms and now had new arms.

00:02:31.000 The look on his face was just like, That's incredible.

00:02:34.000 And they didn't really move.

00:02:34.000 Wow.

00:02:35.000 They just twisted a little bit.

00:02:36.000 Yeah, that's still not no risk. 0.99

00:02:38.000 It's still a big fucking risk. 0.97

00:02:40.000 Everybody wants zero risk. 0.98

00:02:42.000 They don't want you to stitch somebody else's arms on.

00:02:44.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:02:46.000 Don't take my arms off.

00:02:48.000 Please.

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00:03:44.000 You can get divorced.

00:03:45.000 I don't know.

00:03:46.000 I might have made that up.

00:03:47.000 Can you get divorced? 0.95

00:03:50.000 I think I totally made that up.

00:03:52.000 Let's see, LegalZoom, divorce. 1.00

00:03:53.000 Can someone figure that out for me, please?

00:03:55.000 Yeah, let's find out.

00:03:56.000 Yes.

00:03:56.000 Are you in the middle of one?

00:03:57.000 Okay, let's see.

00:03:58.000 Isn't it funny?

00:03:59.000 It seems like when you're not married, it seems like, oh, yeah, LegalZoom does divorce.

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00:04:09.000 Shay, if you're listening, it's going to be easy online.

00:04:11.000 Yeah, it's beautiful.

00:04:12.000 Do it online.

00:04:14.000 It's very unfortunate.

00:04:15.000 Divorce is very unfortunate.

00:04:17.000 But what's more unfortunate is that marriage exists.

00:04:20.000 That's what's more unfortunate.

00:04:23.000 For sure, don't get me wrong.

00:04:26.000 Absolutely, women should be compensated when they have children. 1.00

00:04:29.000 And I understand the idea of alimony.

00:04:31.000 I get what's going on.

00:04:32.000 No one should suffer.

00:04:33.000 And yeah, I get that.

00:04:34.000 Totally 100%. 0.97

00:04:37.000 At what time do we just stop and go, hey, maybe it's not the best idea to just get your finances all fucking tangled up together, where you want to break up and you can't break up because all your fucking credit cards and bank accounts are together and you own the house together or some crazy shit and you absorb her student loans and now your credit's fucked and... 0.99

00:04:58.000 She has to deal with the fact your credit's shit, too, because your car got repossessed. 1.00

00:05:03.000 Together, you're just a fucking nightmare. 1.00

00:05:04.000 And then you have some lawyers that take the extra third that they, you know... 1.00

00:05:08.000 Yeah.

00:05:09.000 So you don't even end up with everything.

00:05:10.000 You end up with a lot less than you expected in the first place.

00:05:12.000 Trust me.

00:05:13.000 You're paying another party.

00:05:13.000 I've seen it.

00:05:14.000 I've seen it happen.

00:05:15.000 I'm happily married.

00:05:17.000 My parents.

00:05:17.000 But I got lucky.

00:05:18.000 Perfect example.

00:05:19.000 Oh, it happens with everybody. 1.00

00:05:20.000 People are fucking crazy. 1.00

00:05:23.000 Me included. 1.00

00:05:24.000 We're all fucking crazy. 0.99

00:05:25.000 And the idea that we can get locked into some nutty contract that says, alright, I'm not going anywhere. 0.99

00:05:30.000 You going anywhere?

00:05:30.000 No.

00:05:30.000 Sign here.

00:05:31.000 Sometimes it works.

00:05:33.000 But that one third thing is the thing that Phil Hartman used to always say.

00:05:36.000 Yeah.

00:05:36.000 And this is a guy whose wife wound up killing him.

00:05:39.000 What he used to always say is, it's not half.

00:05:42.000 It's two-thirds. 0.99

00:05:44.000 Because the lawyer gets a fucking third. 0.99

00:05:45.000 He was sweating it hard. 0.99

00:05:48.000 Did she do that before? 1.00

00:05:50.000 She killed him in his sleep.

00:05:51.000 But I'm saying, were they divorced?

00:05:53.000 Or were they still married?

00:05:54.000 No, they were still married.

00:05:54.000 But, you know, there's all sorts of rumors as to why she was upset.

00:05:59.000 But she was obviously fucked up on some... 0.94

00:06:01.000 She was on Zoloft and cocaine, apparently, allegedly. 0.98

00:06:06.000 I think they got a payment from Zoloft for that.

00:06:09.000 I think the family got money for it. 0.97

00:06:12.000 The whole thing is so fucking sad. 0.97

00:06:14.000 My point is, it's not like that would have changed. 1.00

00:06:17.000 That's a crazy person and drugs and all sorts of other things.

00:06:20.000 That's not what I'm saying.

00:06:21.000 What I'm saying is that I just wish it didn't have to be that people got crushed like that.

00:06:27.000 I've watched dudes go down and take a divorce hit that is like...

00:06:31.000 It just eats a year of your life and they were miserable for a year.

00:06:36.000 It's like any vicious separation like that is hard enough just emotionally. 0.99

00:06:44.000 But then to tag into it the fucking battle that people go through... 1.00

00:06:50.000 Where they, you know, this fucking bitch, she wants the house. 1.00

00:06:52.000 I'm not gonna fucking give it to her. 1.00

00:06:53.000 You don't even like that house. 1.00

00:06:54.000 I don't give a fuck! 1.00

00:06:55.000 You know, you see people get crazy. 1.00

00:06:58.000 They could have just gone to LegalZoom.

00:07:00.000 Kobe's wife took all three houses? 0.99

00:07:01.000 Did she?

00:07:02.000 I thought they got back together.

00:07:03.000 I'm just saying.

00:07:03.000 In Newport Coast?

00:07:04.000 It's just stuff that I've heard.

00:07:05.000 I don't like to talk about Kobe.

00:07:07.000 Or his wife. 0.99

00:07:08.000 Who the fuck do I know? 1.00

00:07:09.000 Who am I? I'm an asshole talking about him. 1.00

00:07:10.000 I just hear bullshit. 1.00

00:07:11.000 It's probably not even true. 0.99

00:07:12.000 Imagine if Kobe got divorced on LegalZoom.com. 1.00

00:07:14.000 That would be the shit. 1.00

00:07:16.000 Figured it out himself. 1.00

00:07:17.000 He's like, just take it! 1.00

00:07:20.000 LegalZoom.com can do a lot of shit, though. 0.99

00:07:23.000 It's a sweet alternative to... 0.99

00:07:27.000 Going to a lawyer and spending a lot of money.

00:07:30.000 It's not really necessary.

00:07:32.000 And if you're in over your head, they'll also provide you contact with an independent attorney. 0.92

00:07:38.000 So if you're in the middle of it and you're like, you know what, I'm fucking panicking. 0.91

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00:07:42.000 I've got to stop.

00:07:43.000 I'm with you. 1.00

00:07:44.000 I'm stupid too, okay? 1.00

00:07:46.000 If I had to go and do my own taxes, who knows what the fuck I would have done. 1.00

00:07:50.000 Oh, goodness. 0.98

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00:07:52.000 It would be terrible.

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00:08:21.000 We gotta get Ian McCall some supplements, bitch. 1.00

00:08:23.000 I need some alpha brain. 1.00

00:08:24.000 Gonna get you some alpha brain, son.

00:08:26.000 Have you ever tried it?

00:08:26.000 Ever?

00:08:27.000 No.

00:08:27.000 Take four during the show.

00:08:29.000 People go, four? 1.00

00:08:29.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:08:31.000 Yeah, four, man. 1.00

00:08:32.000 Four, don't be a pussy. 1.00

00:08:33.000 I'm gonna live forever. 1.00

00:08:34.000 Do you have any water for him?

00:08:35.000 Can we get him a water or something like that?

00:08:37.000 I don't think you understand if you ask me to take...

00:08:39.000 I do understand, but this is good for you.

00:08:42.000 I'm ready to take a one.

00:08:47.000 We'll have some delivered to you.

00:08:49.000 We also have hemp force. 1.00

00:08:51.000 You would love that shit. 1.00

00:08:52.000 Hemp protein powder. 1.00

00:08:53.000 It's fucking delicious. 0.99

00:08:54.000 I'm a coffee man. 0.99

00:08:55.000 Bulletproof.

00:08:57.000 I read something saying that that could be bad for you. 1.00

00:09:00.000 That it could possibly give you a heart attack and shit. 1.00

00:09:02.000 People look at all the butter in the coffee and they're like, hey man, this is probably not so good. 1.00

00:09:08.000 But I think they're probably discounting the difference.

00:09:11.000 And I wonder if they are.

00:09:20.000 There's a guy named Dave Asprey.

00:09:23.000 Super eclectic genius dude who collects all sorts of information about human optimization.

00:09:29.000 He's a freak for this stuff.

00:09:31.000 He runs bulletproofexec.com and he came up with this idea for Bulletproof Coffee. 0.99

00:09:36.000 It's fucking genius. 0.98

00:09:38.000 It's grass-fed butter MCT oil, which is medium triglyceride oil. 0.99

00:09:43.000 Is that what it's called?

00:09:46.000 Is that what it's called? 0.99

00:09:47.000 What the fuck is it? 0.99

00:09:48.000 I'm drawing a blank. 1.00

00:09:48.000 MCT oil. 1.00

00:09:50.000 Medium something?

00:09:51.000 Whatever. 1.00

00:09:52.000 What the fuck it is. 0.99

00:09:53.000 I don't remember what it's called. 1.00

00:09:54.000 Look, it's good for you.

00:09:55.000 MCT oil is coconut oil.

00:09:55.000 You know what it is?

00:09:57.000 But what they do is they spin it in a centrifuge.

00:10:01.000 And by spinning it in a centrifuge, they can take out the most nutritious aspects of it.

00:10:07.000 Medium chain triglycerides is what they're called.

00:10:11.000 And all that together, mixed with the coffee...

00:10:15.000 Somehow or another it has like a slow release effect because you have all the calories with it.

00:10:21.000 Because you have the calories of the butter and the calories of the like really rich MCT oil.

00:10:26.000 And it's a slower release sort of coffee thing.

00:10:30.000 So that you don't have like that massive crash.

00:10:32.000 You drink like black coffee and you have an empty stumper.

00:10:35.000 Do you?

00:10:35.000 Just go for it.

00:10:36.000 I drink like four shots before every training session.

00:10:38.000 Four shots?

00:10:38.000 Do you?

00:10:39.000 Holy shit, man. 1.00

00:10:40.000 Have you ever tried doing it with bulletproof coffee? 0.99

00:10:42.000 No, I'm just, I'm literally was, like when I was sitting in Brazil, I was on the internet trying to buy it off of your, off of Onat.

00:10:50.000 You would, I think you would enjoy it, man.

00:10:52.000 This is, we have some of it right here.

00:10:54.000 Do we have any? 0.99

00:10:55.000 Shit, did I drink at all? 1.00

00:10:57.000 Here, if you want to try it. 0.99

00:10:59.000 I'll try a sip.

00:11:00.000 Try a sip.

00:11:00.000 Here, I don't have cooties.

00:11:02.000 Try some of mine.

00:11:03.000 Just don't stick your tongue in my mouth. 1.00

00:11:04.000 We sell a lot of shit like that, though, at Onnit. 0.99

00:11:07.000 We do sell bulletproof coffee, but we try to sell the most nutritious and interesting things that we can find, like killer bee honey. 0.99

00:11:13.000 That's delicious, right?

00:11:14.000 That's delicious.

00:11:14.000 Stevia, too.

00:11:15.000 No sugar.

00:11:17.000 Himalayan salt, which is incredibly rich in minerals.

00:11:20.000 If you don't know about the benefits of natural salt, if you're thinking about any of these things, whether it's the nootropics, I always urge people to Google it.

00:11:27.000 It's a very interesting and fascinating subject.

00:11:30.000 And the subject of supplements themselves, there's a lot of data from a lot of people that seem to suggest that it's more important to have diet and that your diet is really where you get all your nutrients from, which I... Agree that the body absorbs nutrients most certainly better from a rich diet and a healthy diet.

00:11:48.000 But it's also really good to supplement.

00:11:50.000 Don't be crazy.

00:11:51.000 They're both good.

00:11:53.000 Healthy vitamins are good.

00:11:54.000 Healthy nutrients are good.

00:11:56.000 And healthy amounts of vegetables.

00:12:01.000 Green leafy vegetables. 0.99

00:12:02.000 That shit's so important. 1.00

00:12:03.000 Can't stress that enough. 1.00

00:12:04.000 I don't even sell vegetables.

00:12:06.000 But I always tell people, you want to make your life better? 1.00

00:12:07.000 Eat more vegetables, bitch. 1.00

00:12:09.000 You're eating fucking cheeseburgers and empty food. 1.00

00:12:11.000 She eats perfect. 1.00

00:12:12.000 Yeah.

00:12:13.000 But no supplements.

00:12:14.000 And I'm trying to get sponsored by APS. Hey, as long as you eat perfect, you don't need supplements.

00:12:18.000 Quite honestly, I think there's certain supplements that I would take regardless of my diet, like Shroom Tech for training or just things to give you extra energy or melatonin if I wanted to sleep.

00:12:28.000 I would still take those things.

00:12:30.000 But I think that if you could eat just nothing but organic vegetables all day and you really ate healthy quantities of it, you'd probably get enough nutrients.

00:12:38.000 Yeah.

00:12:39.000 You probably do.

00:12:40.000 She doesn't get the quantity.

00:12:41.000 If you really do...

00:12:42.000 She doesn't get the quantity, though.

00:12:43.000 No, the quantity, yeah.

00:12:44.000 You have to eat massive quantities.

00:12:45.000 That's the thing.

00:12:46.000 She works out twice a day with me.

00:12:47.000 Yeah.

00:12:47.000 So it's...

00:12:48.000 She's young, though.

00:12:49.000 Look at her.

00:12:49.000 You're young.

00:12:51.000 Young people are vibrant.

00:12:52.000 They heal quicker.

00:12:54.000 My daughter's three.

00:12:55.000 She's like Wolverine. 0.99

00:12:56.000 She gets a scratch.

00:12:57.000 It's gone by the end of the day. 1.00

00:12:58.000 They just suck up inside their body. 1.00

00:13:01.000 They're just growing. 0.99

00:13:03.000 She could eat cheeseburgers all day. 0.84

00:13:04.000 That's how young people get away with shitty diets and still amazing athletes. 0.99

00:13:08.000 You have a hyperbody.

00:13:09.000 My daughter's almost two, and she literally just...

00:13:12.000 I feel like she can fall down a flight of stairs, and then five seconds later, she's doing jumping jacks. 0.99

00:13:16.000 I'm like, oh, wow.

00:13:17.000 Nice.

00:13:18.000 Yeah.

00:13:18.000 They're going to have some supplements one day that's going to be able to do that.

00:13:22.000 You're going to be able to rebound just like a little kid. 0.99

00:13:24.000 That's fucking for sure coming. 1.00

00:13:26.000 There's some crazy assholes right now just cracking all sorts of things about the human body. 1.00

00:13:31.000 Back to Orange County, every man, every 50, 60-year-old guy is TRT'd out of his gills. 1.00

00:13:37.000 Oh, out of his gills.

00:13:38.000 I saw one guy at this place I eat all the time driving an R8. Feeling sexy.

00:13:46.000 He thought he was on point.

00:13:48.000 Dude was on point.

00:13:49.000 How sexy was he on a 1 to 10?

00:13:51.000 For a 60-year-old man, he was about a 9.5.

00:13:54.000 I saw a dude on the beach that had to be 75 years old, and he was yoked.

00:13:58.000 And I should talk.

00:13:59.000 I'm 46 now.

00:14:01.000 I'm on TRT. I'm on human growth hormone.

00:14:03.000 I take both of those.

00:14:04.000 I take a little bit less than one unit of growth a day, and I take a shot once a week of testosterone.

00:14:10.000 I used to do a cream, but the cream, you've got to do it every day.

00:14:14.000 You do a shot once a week.

00:14:16.000 It's just a little. 0.99

00:14:17.000 It's just like two on a syringe, whatever the fuck that is. 0.98

00:14:20.000 It's not much for a week. 0.98

00:14:21.000 But if I don't, I don't feel as good.

00:14:24.000 I try and get my dad onto it because I know it'll... 0.97

00:14:26.000 He's always fucking complaining about, oh, I'm 69, I'm old. 0.96

00:14:30.000 I'm like, come on, let's figure it out. 0.99

00:14:31.000 He won't do it because he's an old surfer hippie.

00:14:33.000 Well, it's becoming much more popular and you see it all over the news.

00:14:37.000 Testosterone replacement.

00:14:38.000 And people are like, well, what about the negative benefits?

00:14:41.000 You know what the...

00:14:42.000 Well, there's a lot of negative benefits on not using it that are undeniable, like getting old.

00:14:46.000 Alright?

00:14:47.000 It's a different effect on your body.

00:14:48.000 The reason why you get old is your body's not producing testosterone.

00:14:51.000 So you can be, like, proud and say, well, that's it. 0.98

00:14:54.000 I'll just fucking go out in the night like a cowboy. 1.00

00:14:57.000 Or you can just give you a shot and then you're good. 1.00

00:15:00.000 Don't be stupid. 1.00

00:15:01.000 You know, what, do you want to not enjoy your life as much? 1.00

00:15:04.000 Do you want to not have as much energy?

00:15:05.000 Exactly.

00:15:06.000 You only have so long to live.

00:15:07.000 Make those years better. 1.00

00:15:09.000 This message by Onnit is called Get Your Shit Together, Bitch. 1.00

00:15:13.000 That's the proposal. 1.00

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00:15:16.000 You can get your shit together at Onnit. 1.00

00:15:18.000 So kettlebells, battle ropes, just re-carve your life. 1.00

00:15:22.000 Get it together. 1.00

00:15:22.000 Drink some water, fucker. 1.00

00:15:24.000 All right? 1.00

00:15:24.000 Eat some good stuff. 1.00

00:15:26.000 Go to Onnit.com.

00:15:27.000 Use the code name ROGAN. Save yourself 10% off any and all supplements.

00:15:31.000 All right.

00:15:31.000 Ian McCall's here.

00:15:33.000 Let's make it official.

00:15:34.000 Cue the music.

00:15:46.000 Powerful Ian McCall.

00:15:49.000 Dude, thank you so much for doing this, man.

00:15:51.000 Thank you for having me.

00:15:52.000 Much requested by the Underground Forum.

00:15:54.000 Yes, the UGCTT, my loyal followers.

00:15:59.000 Yeah, what does that stand for?

00:16:00.000 The Underground Creepy Top Team.

00:16:04.000 These guys, I've been there forever.

00:16:06.000 I've been on the underground since 2002 or 2001, I think.

00:16:09.000 But they made this themselves.

00:16:11.000 They called themselves the UGCTT to make fun of all the other top teams in the world.

00:16:16.000 That's why all the shirts have it on.

00:16:18.000 That's why we don't make money off the shirts.

00:16:20.000 Oh, that's funny.

00:16:21.000 We just make enough to pay for it, and then we give away tons of shirts.

00:16:26.000 I mean, it's...

00:16:27.000 Yeah, that underground's got a mind of its own.

00:16:29.000 Yeah, they could sway the opinion of the sport, I think, itself.

00:16:35.000 Yeah, and it's funny how these things just come out of nowhere on a forum, and then it becomes a meme, and then it takes off.

00:16:44.000 On the underground, it was always beep, the homo detector. 1.00

00:16:50.000 Threads would always have beep.

00:16:54.000 You could clearly see that some guys would troll for beeps, too.

00:16:57.000 Yeah, of course.

00:16:57.000 But still, it's very common.

00:17:00.000 If something happens, some guy has his shirt off, beep!

00:17:03.000 I had a long thread on the underground for a while.

00:17:07.000 I don't know if you ever saw that.

00:17:08.000 What was it?

00:17:09.000 The thread of the women that I was sleeping with.

00:17:12.000 No, you had a thread with all the women you were sleeping with?

00:17:15.000 I wasn't aware of that.

00:17:16.000 I was getting in trouble for it too.

00:17:18.000 Yeah, that would seem like that could get you in trouble.

00:17:19.000 But there was no nudity.

00:17:21.000 Oh, no nudity.

00:17:22.000 Honestly, there was probably a couple hundred on there.

00:17:26.000 It was like a year long, and it just got ugly, and then some people obviously complained and threatened me.

00:17:34.000 I was like, well, you're not naked on there.

00:17:35.000 There's stars over your parts.

00:17:41.000 At the time, it probably felt like it was a better idea at the time.

00:17:46.000 This was before I was in the UFC. It was a while ago.

00:17:51.000 I just thought I was cool.

00:17:54.000 I'm only good at the physical things. 0.95

00:17:55.000 Everything else I suck at. 0.89

00:17:57.000 Fighting and women, I'm all right at. 0.55

00:17:59.000 Well, the Underground has produced some of the most epic threads I've ever seen on message boards.

00:18:04.000 Did you ever read the one with the guy who's the undefeated prison fighter?

00:18:11.000 No.

00:18:12.000 Oh my god.

00:18:13.000 I believe his name is Christian Darrow.

00:18:16.000 And he went to jail.

00:18:18.000 Super thick white dude? 0.62

00:18:19.000 Yeah, he was a big yoked up white dude with a lot of tattoos. 0.75

00:18:22.000 He's on the prison documentaries. 0.99

00:18:22.000 Yeah, and he wound up having a fight with this, fuck, what is his name? 0.99

00:18:29.000 James. 1.00

00:18:31.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:18:31.000 I gotta look up this guy's name. 0.99

00:18:34.000 The kid who fought him. 0.93

00:18:35.000 Because the kid who fought him had some skills and just beat the shit out of this guy. 0.94

00:18:40.000 But it was weird watching. 0.88

00:18:41.000 It was like, is this guy even trained?

00:18:43.000 And he might not even have ever trained. 1.00

00:18:46.000 He might just be a crazy guy who lied. 0.99

00:18:49.000 And he talked himself into... 0.99

00:18:51.000 Being the toughest man on the planet. 0.98

00:18:53.000 Into having an MMA fight when he really had no fucking business doing it. 0.98

00:18:57.000 Did they fight in prison? 0.99

00:18:58.000 James Fanaro.

00:18:59.000 That's his name.

00:18:59.000 No, no, no.

00:19:00.000 They fought in a gym.

00:19:01.000 There's a video of it.

00:19:02.000 There's a video of it online. 0.99

00:19:04.000 I don't even need to shit on the dude, but... 1.00

00:19:07.000 But sorry you suck. 1.00

00:19:09.000 Sorry. 1.00

00:19:10.000 Yeah.

00:19:11.000 Come on now.

00:19:12.000 I don't even know how we got onto the subject.

00:19:14.000 I'm not sure.

00:19:15.000 Because I totally forgot, oh, epic threads.

00:19:17.000 So that's how I found out about this thread, was from the underground.

00:19:20.000 Did you ever read The Girl Tried to Lick My Pooper? 0.99

00:19:24.000 Jesus Christ, that thread is like a billion fucking pages long. 0.99

00:19:27.000 It's six months old of it. 0.99

00:19:28.000 It's crazy.

00:19:29.000 There's some threads that I have subscribed that I'll check in on every couple of months.

00:19:34.000 They have a podcast thread, and every now and then I'll jump in.

00:19:39.000 They have a thread about the podcast, I'll jump in and say hi.

00:19:42.000 Those are your people.

00:19:43.000 They're nice people. 0.97

00:19:45.000 Look, the amount of cunts in the world is pretty high. 0.97

00:19:50.000 I love that word. 0.99

00:19:50.000 And when people are free to be whoever they are, anonymously, you're going to get a lot of cunts. 0.99

00:19:55.000 Because that's the root of all animosity, is cunty behavior. 0.97

00:19:59.000 I got trolled in Brazil, and I just lost it on some guy because he was just...

00:20:05.000 There's only one word he said, but it just pissed me off.

00:20:08.000 It's constant.

00:20:09.000 But you know what it is?

00:20:10.000 They're just trying to have fun a lot of times by just getting a rise out of you.

00:20:13.000 You've got to realize that.

00:20:15.000 But it's also just...

00:20:16.000 It's not a natural way to communicate.

00:20:18.000 To not be in front of someone...

00:20:20.000 There's a lot of things that you'd say in email that you would never say in front.

00:20:23.000 That's why people say, I don't want to talk to you.

00:20:25.000 I'm just going to write you a letter and show you how you feel. 1.00

00:20:27.000 Bitch, stop it with your fucking letter. 1.00

00:20:28.000 Don't make me read. 1.00

00:20:29.000 Don't be a pussy. 1.00

00:20:30.000 Just look at me and tell me what's going on. 1.00

00:20:32.000 You tell me what's the problem and let's talk this out.

00:20:34.000 Because that's the best way to communicate is looking at each other.

00:20:37.000 Looking at each other and actually saying what's on your mind. 0.97

00:20:41.000 You can't let things build up because you're going to explode and end up doing something stupid or Yeah.

00:20:47.000 And things can swing like left or right, like good or bad, depending on how you react to a moment while you're in front of someone.

00:20:55.000 And a lot of times you would apologize.

00:20:56.000 You'd go, look, I shouldn't have said that.

00:20:58.000 Look, I didn't mean it that way.

00:20:59.000 Or look, this is where I'm coming from.

00:21:01.000 I don't, you know.

00:21:02.000 You do that when you're looking at each other.

00:21:04.000 Yeah.

00:21:05.000 When you write it down on an email, you can just be completely self-indulgent and just filled with nonsense.

00:21:12.000 And you think just because someone wrote it down, like it makes it really, oh, respect feelings and this and that, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:21:19.000 Shut up, you fucking verbose asshole. 1.00

00:21:21.000 You just don't have the balls to say it to my face. 1.00

00:21:23.000 Clickety-clickety-clack, clickety-clack. 1.00

00:21:24.000 Stop it! 1.00

00:21:25.000 Talk, stupid! 1.00

00:21:27.000 Text messages. 1.00

00:21:28.000 You broke up with me over text messages.

00:21:30.000 Well, that's horrible, but if you are in a nightmare relationship, it's probably a good move.

00:21:35.000 That's true.

00:21:35.000 Like, why be around them any more than you have to?

00:21:37.000 Just pull a cord.

00:21:40.000 Hey, you know, I've been thinking.

00:21:42.000 I gotta go. 1.00

00:21:43.000 And you're kind of crazy. 0.99

00:21:46.000 Yeah, unfortunately, we've all run into crazy people. 0.99

00:21:49.000 And they've all run into us.

00:21:51.000 So there you go.

00:21:52.000 I attracted crazy for...

00:21:54.000 99% of my life.

00:21:55.000 Of course you did, my friend.

00:21:57.000 You're old school, man. 0.99

00:21:59.000 People don't fucking understand that. 0.99

00:22:01.000 You're talking about Chris Brennan and Jeremy Williams and that's next generation, right? 0.99

00:22:06.000 All those guys.

00:22:07.000 Old school.

00:22:08.000 I started like, oh, Rory McDonald started training MMA. I'm like, so did I. Chris Brennan, man, he was like an early pioneer jiu-jitsu guy.

00:22:18.000 He was like one of the first guys around LA to get really fucking good. 0.99

00:22:21.000 He was sick. 1.00

00:22:22.000 His Kimuras were nasty. 1.00

00:22:25.000 He had a gang of setups, too.

00:22:27.000 Yeah, a bunch of it.

00:22:28.000 And that's what I took from him.

00:22:30.000 That was...

00:22:31.000 Most of my game.

00:22:32.000 Yeah.

00:22:33.000 He's a tough dude, man.

00:22:34.000 Really good jujitsu.

00:22:36.000 A lot of people slept on his jujitsu.

00:22:37.000 And then he went over to Japan, but it was almost like on the tail end of his competing, you know, when he was over in Japan.

00:22:46.000 Yeah, he wasn't able to really showcase how good he really was.

00:22:50.000 Didn't he have a bunch of epic fights with Pat Miletic?

00:22:54.000 Didn't they have two fights?

00:22:56.000 Did they have two fights?

00:22:57.000 They fought in...

00:22:58.000 Was it UFC? I remember he slept Joe Stevenson in UFC when Joe was like 16. Oh yeah.

00:23:04.000 And he held onto the triangle for too long like a dick. 0.99

00:23:08.000 He was the only guy to knock out Antonio McKee too. 0.99

00:23:10.000 I was there.

00:23:11.000 That was bad.

00:23:12.000 Woo! 0.99

00:23:13.000 That was a nasty kick. 1.00

00:23:16.000 Chris Bannon was a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:23:18.000 He's doing jujitsu in Dallas now, right? 1.00

00:23:20.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:23:21.000 He's living out in Dallas.

00:23:22.000 He just wanted to change the scenery, so he took off.

00:23:24.000 Good for him, man.

00:23:25.000 I left Texas, too.

00:23:26.000 That's the beautiful thing about having a reputation, having a name in the martial arts world like he does. 0.97

00:23:32.000 You could just start up a place, places, and people would be like, hey, fucking Chris Bannon just moved into town. 0.97

00:23:36.000 This is awesome. 0.99

00:23:36.000 And that guy's a businessman. 0.99

00:23:37.000 I mean, he is a very, very smart businessman.

00:23:40.000 Good jiu-jitsu guy. 1.00

00:23:41.000 It's nasty fucking ears, though. 1.00

00:23:43.000 Get that shit fixed, son. 1.00

00:23:44.000 He's got some crazy Waleed Ishmael type ears. 1.00

00:23:47.000 He knows he's not the most attractive man in the world, but if you see his wife, she's a beautiful creature.

00:23:52.000 I'm sure.

00:23:53.000 He's a tough dude.

00:23:54.000 I like that guy, too.

00:23:55.000 He's a nice guy.

00:23:56.000 He was training with Gerald Streben, who's a buddy of mine.

00:23:58.000 Yeah, I know Gerald.

00:23:59.000 Yeah, you know a lot of dudes, man.

00:24:01.000 Buck Greer and just old school people, man.

00:24:04.000 How did you start fighting?

00:24:06.000 I liked fist fighting.

00:24:08.000 That was me and my boys thing in high school.

00:24:11.000 We wanted to fist fight. 0.99

00:24:12.000 We were in this stupid little gang that the cops called us a gang, but we were just a bunch of rich white kids who liked to fist fight. 0.98

00:24:19.000 We're talking out of my friends, let's say 20 of us, 18 of us trained and 10 of us had pro fights. 0.98

00:24:27.000 We're talking myself, Shane Del Rosario, Robert Emerson, Josh Smith, Nick Ferrario.

00:24:33.000 Oh my god.

00:24:33.000 You guys all went out looking for fights?

00:24:34.000 Justin Levins.

00:24:37.000 Imagine we would pull up to parties and just push over a lantern.

00:24:41.000 I would because I was the smallest one.

00:24:43.000 Or I'd go hit on someone's girlfriend or go steal CDs or something and then some big jock would be like, what's up?

00:24:48.000 And then, of course, I'm not the guy to hide. 0.99

00:24:50.000 I want to jump in front and talk some shit like, hey, yeah? 0.99

00:24:54.000 And then they just kind of see everybody behind me and kind of go, mm, like, oh, no. 0.99

00:24:58.000 And then all of a sudden, I'm getting...

00:24:59.000 Why would you want to be that guy?

00:25:00.000 I was...

00:25:01.000 I don't know.

00:25:01.000 I had something to prove.

00:25:02.000 I was tiny.

00:25:03.000 And I liked fist fighting.

00:25:04.000 It wasn't like I wanted to, you know...

00:25:06.000 So you weren't even thinking that you were disturbing people's private lives and interfering with their happiness?

00:25:12.000 I understood that. 0.98

00:25:13.000 I was a dick when I was a kid. 1.00

00:25:14.000 I was a horrible child. 1.00

00:25:15.000 I literally was.

00:25:16.000 I spent most of my life being a horrible person doing a horrible thing.

00:25:19.000 What made you realize that you were?

00:25:21.000 That I was a bad person?

00:25:22.000 Yeah.

00:25:23.000 20-some-odd years of doing bad stuff, and then just trying to pull out of it, constantly falling back into it, trying to pull out of it, falling back into it, and now I have a kid, and now I have, for once in my life, I have a positive female influence as far as dating goes. 0.99

00:25:40.000 I mean, it helps me.

00:25:42.000 I've literally done everything possible.

00:25:45.000 I think I'm... 1.00

00:25:46.000 Only a fucking psychopath would want to do. 1.00

00:25:49.000 But I've done just about everything. 1.00

00:25:50.000 You know, I can't really think of besides, you know, having a man enter me.

00:25:56.000 The night is young.

00:25:57.000 Yeah, you know.

00:25:59.000 But I'm just saying, and I've just, you know, now I've got a kid and a career, and I'm just trying to settle down and be a good boy.

00:26:06.000 Yeah, it's kind of a wild past for a dude who's like a top-level professional athlete. 0.99

00:26:13.000 You know, people listening to this on the podcast, you know, without getting to know you better, I'm like, who the fuck is this guy?

00:26:19.000 He's one of the best flyweights on the planet. 0.97

00:26:21.000 I'm the best.

00:26:23.000 Look, without a doubt.

00:26:25.000 I just gotta prove it.

00:26:25.000 Look, dudes may, on any given night, in the world of high-level mixed martial arts, anybody can beat anybody.

00:26:32.000 And I thought you beat DJ in the first fight.

00:26:34.000 And then you guys...

00:26:36.000 Well, this is...

00:26:37.000 I think, and correct me if you disagree, I think that there has to be an element of the fight where when one person is doing something really dominant to the other person, that's gotta count for more.

00:26:50.000 When a guy's got a guy's back, like you got his back and you're pounding on him, that's got to count for more than just winning a round, you know, barely.

00:26:58.000 Like, if a guy wins a round with, like, strikes and...

00:27:02.000 With ten more strikes or five more strikes. 0.81

00:27:04.000 Or the next guy gets into a really good position and does significant damage, that's not the same point.

00:27:11.000 It's a different...

00:27:12.000 It doesn't make sense to me, the way things are now.

00:27:14.000 I think that, um...

00:27:16.000 Do you know Doc Hamilton's idea?

00:27:18.000 Do you like that idea?

00:27:19.000 It's a half-point idea.

00:27:20.000 Yeah, I like the half-point idea, actually.

00:27:22.000 It sounds nice, but we have people that have no business judging fights.

00:27:27.000 And literally, let's say, if I would have won that fight, I wouldn't have gone into some horrible spiral out of control for the next year of my UFC career, right after my very first fight. 0.99

00:27:40.000 Back to just being stupid and doing horrible things to myself. 0.99

00:27:43.000 Do you think you would have done that? 1.00

00:27:45.000 No, no, that's what I did.

00:27:47.000 Oh, you did after?

00:27:48.000 Yes. 1.00

00:27:49.000 That's why DJ kicked my ass the second time. 0.99

00:27:51.000 That's why Joe, I didn't do anything to Joe when I could have, I mean, I should have done a lot better. 0.99

00:27:55.000 Both guys said I could have finished him.

00:27:57.000 And then I just, I just, I had just a mental, bad marriage.

00:28:01.000 That's all it was.

00:28:01.000 I don't want to get into it.

00:28:02.000 Right, right, right.

00:28:03.000 You're just in a bad place in your mind.

00:28:04.000 It was a really bad place.

00:28:05.000 And I wasn't performing.

00:28:07.000 And it's, we are all top level athletes.

00:28:09.000 But I know I'm better than these guys.

00:28:11.000 It's just, they were better that night.

00:28:13.000 They're better performers at this point in time, mentally.

00:28:15.000 It's what it comes down to, is the mental aspect.

00:28:17.000 And, you know, I'll get back.

00:28:19.000 Now I'm happy.

00:28:20.000 Now I'm finally in a good place.

00:28:21.000 I think, against Joe, I was getting there, but I wasn't quite there yet.

00:28:26.000 I mean, physically, I'll always be there.

00:28:28.000 You know, but it's just for me, mentally...

00:28:30.000 Even in this last fight, I did great.

00:28:33.000 You know, but I think I still have steps to get back to where I know I can be.

00:28:37.000 Like, when I became world champion...

00:28:39.000 It was just better.

00:28:42.000 I was just training harder and longer and faster.

00:28:46.000 Now I'm technically better, I think, but getting my head there is still a process, but I'm almost there, I guess.

00:28:53.000 So you feel like you're a work in progress?

00:28:56.000 Of course.

00:28:56.000 Always.

00:28:57.000 Always?

00:28:57.000 Yeah.

00:28:58.000 Do you feel like all this shit that's happened to you, all this craziness in your life, the mistakes that you've made... 0.99

00:29:03.000 Like, in some ways, surviving as many mistakes as you have, like, really creates a very fascinating person. 0.98

00:29:11.000 Because the type of person who has as many experiences as you, it's a magnetic thing to be around.

00:29:17.000 Because most people haven't had as many crazy, fucked up life experiences. 0.66

00:29:20.000 And have been, you know, professional cage fighters at the same time. 0.91

00:29:24.000 And now I'm trying to, now becoming a better person, for once.

00:29:27.000 I'm trying to be that better person.

00:29:28.000 I'm trying to...

00:29:30.000 Just show people.

00:29:31.000 This is what I've done.

00:29:33.000 I'm a walking example of what not to do.

00:29:35.000 Because most likely, you're not going to get back to where I am. 0.69

00:29:39.000 Most likely, you're either going to become just a normal human being or you're going to die. 0.99

00:29:44.000 You either calm down or you're going to die.

00:29:47.000 You either figure it out on your own or you're on a bad path.

00:29:50.000 I think that for some reason, I've been able to do that and make Get back to greatness and try and do something that no one really ever gets to do, and that's fighting the octagon.

00:30:02.000 There's very few percentage of people in the world that actually will ever be able to do this.

00:30:06.000 Especially your weight class, man. 0.99

00:30:09.000 That's a really fucking technical weight class. 0.99

00:30:13.000 DJ, he keeps getting better too. 0.99

00:30:16.000 Every time he fights, man.

00:30:18.000 His last fight with Moraga was incredible.

00:30:21.000 He's so good at changing where the fight takes place.

00:30:24.000 Whether it's taking you down, kicking you when you think he's going to punch you, punch you when you think he's going to kick you.

00:30:30.000 He is ever-evolving.

00:30:32.000 I make fun of him a lot.

00:30:33.000 I do.

00:30:33.000 You can't help it.

00:30:35.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:30:36.000 I've got to chip my shoulder because I thought I'd beat him, and then he beat me up. 0.93

00:30:39.000 Plus, I think he's a nerd.

00:30:41.000 But he's just such a nice guy.

00:30:42.000 Is there something wrong with being a nerd?

00:30:44.000 No, nothing wrong with being a nerd.

00:30:45.000 I just can make fun of him because he beat me up on time.

00:30:47.000 Just let me do that.

00:30:50.000 But no, the guy is...

00:30:52.000 At first...

00:30:54.000 People gave him so much guff because he just wasn't performing, but now he's getting better.

00:30:58.000 He's getting to the point where the strides he's making are making it actually exciting. 0.89

00:31:01.000 And the adoring public is actually not being such douchebags.

00:31:05.000 They're learning the sport and realizing that.

00:31:06.000 That's art right there. 1.00

00:31:08.000 He's painting a fucking masterpiece. 1.00

00:31:10.000 Especially compared to these big guys. 0.99

00:31:11.000 Not to say anything against big guys, but we're doing a lot more than they are.

00:31:17.000 Yeah, well, it's definitely a different game.

00:31:19.000 The pace is faster.

00:31:21.000 It's more technical.

00:31:23.000 There's very little room for error.

00:31:24.000 You know, like he caught Moraga in that guillotine.

00:31:27.000 There was no room.

00:31:28.000 It's just like, just snatched it up.

00:31:30.000 You know, it's really kind of an interesting difference between watching the smallest weight class and watching the largest weight class.

00:31:39.000 The room for error.

00:31:40.000 It's incredible.

00:31:41.000 The gap becomes a lot bigger.

00:31:42.000 Oh my god.

00:31:43.000 I mean, we've never seen a heavyweight that moves like a flyweight.

00:31:47.000 It doesn't exist.

00:31:49.000 It's not possible.

00:31:49.000 It doesn't exist.

00:31:50.000 It's a completely different experience watching the lighter weight classes.

00:31:54.000 It's like you guys are like hummingbirds.

00:31:55.000 You're moving at such a faster pace.

00:31:59.000 It's...

00:32:01.000 I mean, even just to fight at that pace, I mean, you've got to be on point, because if you're one step behind, I mean, it's just a constant bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.

00:32:10.000 Well, DJ got caught by Moraga big time in that fourth round.

00:32:14.000 It's a perfect example of that.

00:32:15.000 I mean, DJ was not getting hit by anything.

00:32:18.000 He was just moving like a ghost.

00:32:19.000 He was in and out, and when you thought he was coming in, he was coming out.

00:32:23.000 I mean, it was a beautiful performance, and then boom.

00:32:25.000 Moraga hits hard.

00:32:26.000 He hits hard, you know?

00:32:27.000 Yeah, it's hard.

00:32:27.000 But even, the point is, like, anytime it can come.

00:32:31.000 Anytime a big one can clip you.

00:32:33.000 That's the craziest thing about the sport, isn't it?

00:32:35.000 Yeah.

00:32:35.000 There's really nothing like that.

00:32:37.000 It's so rare in boxing for things to turn around out of nowhere with one shot.

00:32:41.000 It doesn't happen that often.

00:32:42.000 Like later, you know, in a fight, when you see it in MMA, that it can happen at any moment with those little gloves.

00:32:49.000 Yeah, it just slips right through.

00:32:50.000 That's what people really don't get, is that defense, even having, your defense has to be Perfect.

00:32:57.000 Yeah.

00:32:58.000 Because those little gloves fit through the smallest holes, and they make those holes bigger.

00:33:03.000 It's not just like a boxing glove where it's a blunt object that's just gonna expand on impact, you know?

00:33:08.000 Yeah, there's much less give.

00:33:09.000 They slide through things, especially when they get all greased up, sweated up.

00:33:15.000 Like the Todd Duffy-Mike Russell fight is a fight that I always point to.

00:33:19.000 If you never saw that fight, if you've never seen that fight, it's a historical MMA fight.

00:33:24.000 They play that for young fighters.

00:33:26.000 They go, this is what can happen.

00:33:27.000 Yes. 1.00

00:33:27.000 This guy, motherfucker, looks like Superman. 1.00

00:33:30.000 Three rounds, wasn't it? 1.00

00:33:31.000 Yeah, three rounds of horrific beating.

00:33:33.000 Broke his arm.

00:33:35.000 Russell had a broken arm.

00:33:36.000 And then, with no...

00:33:40.000 Hint whatsoever that it was going to take place before this.

00:33:42.000 It wasn't like he had tagged him a couple of times.

00:33:45.000 It looked like he had him staggered a few times, like he's coming back.

00:33:47.000 He's bludgeoning him.

00:33:48.000 He's getting just destroyed.

00:33:50.000 And plus, Duffy is a physical specimen.

00:33:54.000 That guy's huge.

00:33:55.000 And Mike, not so much.

00:33:57.000 Yeah, Mike looks like what he is.

00:33:59.000 He's a Chicago cop.

00:34:01.000 Exactly. 0.99

00:34:01.000 He's a tough fucking guy, no doubt about it. 0.99

00:34:03.000 Super tough fucking guy. 1.00

00:34:04.000 But that punch was like one of the quickest, it was out of nowhere. 1.00

00:34:08.000 It turned the whole fighter out.

00:34:10.000 Bang, he had him hurt and boom, he was out.

00:34:12.000 Like, what the hell?

00:34:14.000 Like, how is that even possible?

00:34:17.000 I mean, especially at that weight, you know, when you have two guys that are 250 pounds hitting each other that hard.

00:34:26.000 I mean, that is frightening.

00:34:28.000 Terrifying.

00:34:29.000 And I see where the heavyweight, you know, my roommate, Shandell Rosario, to see him move, and he's fast.

00:34:35.000 He's very fast for heavyweight.

00:34:36.000 He hasn't been able to really show how good he really is, but man, that guy can move, and it scares the crap out of him.

00:34:42.000 He can hold pads for me.

00:34:45.000 That's how fast he is.

00:34:46.000 Wow.

00:34:46.000 And I mean, I'll go for, you know, 30 minutes straight.

00:34:51.000 Wow.

00:34:53.000 Yeah, he moves really well.

00:34:54.000 And he's at that weight of heavyweight where there's like a point of diminishing returns a lot of people believe.

00:35:00.000 There's an argument about it at least.

00:35:01.000 And that argument is about like 240. Like anything bigger than like King Velasquez, you get tired too easy.

00:35:07.000 Yeah.

00:35:07.000 Exactly.

00:35:08.000 But then for a while there, people thought it was like when Brock Lesnar first burst on the scene, people were like, oh shit, you gotta get way bigger, man. 0.96

00:35:16.000 That's when Frank Neff got way bigger. 0.96

00:35:18.000 Shane Carwin got way bigger.

00:35:20.000 Those dudes got way bigger. 1.00

00:35:22.000 They're like, fuck that dude. 1.00

00:35:23.000 If that's your game, if your game is tuck your face in between your shoulders and plow forward, if that's your game, man, you better be built like that guy. 1.00

00:35:32.000 Trying to just Hulk smash people.

00:35:34.000 I don't know, man.

00:35:35.000 It doesn't work out so well.

00:35:36.000 Yeah, well, when you watch a fight like Carwin vs.

00:35:40.000 Lesnar, which is an all-time classic fight, but you see how quick Carwin gasses out, to the point where he's dead.

00:35:46.000 Within one round?

00:35:47.000 Within one round.

00:35:48.000 Well, first, I think he said it was also that he was so fired up, so much adrenaline, he couldn't believe it.

00:35:53.000 He thought he was winning.

00:35:54.000 He thought the fight was over.

00:35:55.000 He thought he was going to win the fight right there.

00:35:56.000 And he was beating on him for a long time, so that's going to take not just 10 seconds if I thought I won, it was...

00:36:03.000 Yeah.

00:36:04.000 And he was sprinting.

00:36:06.000 I mean, it was two minutes of sprinting.

00:36:07.000 Yeah.

00:36:07.000 And literally, after it was over, Brock survived and he was done.

00:36:11.000 Like, he couldn't even get up out of his stool.

00:36:13.000 I was like, his whole body, like, completely shut down.

00:36:15.000 It's crazy to watch.

00:36:16.000 Yeah.

00:36:17.000 But you watch a body like that, that's when you go...

00:36:20.000 Okay, how big is too big?

00:36:22.000 Because that might be too big.

00:36:24.000 Someone's got to figure this out.

00:36:25.000 Like, scientifically.

00:36:27.000 Yeah, we've got to figure it out.

00:36:28.000 I don't know anything about CrossFit, but my roommate, he runs RV Sport for Ruka, and he went to go sponsor some guys and talk to some people and watch it. 0.86

00:36:37.000 I always thought CrossFit Guys were douchebags.

00:36:39.000 I don't know. 0.98

00:36:40.000 I just always hear him yelling and screaming.

00:36:42.000 He's like, no, dude, they're really positive.

00:36:43.000 They're cool guys.

00:36:44.000 And apparently the perfect weight for them is like 185, 200 pounds for what they do.

00:36:50.000 Which is, I don't even really know what they do. 1.00

00:36:52.000 Stupid weights, man. 1.00

00:36:54.000 Those guys do stupid weights. 1.00

00:36:55.000 I mean, I don't say stupid like dumb. 1.00

00:36:57.000 I mean like incredible, like holy shit. 1.00

00:36:59.000 I've seen this little guy who's like 165 pounds and he was doing cleans with, I think it was cleans with a 120 pound kettlebell. 0.99

00:37:09.000 He was not a big guy.

00:37:10.000 He was doing this clean press over and over again with this, it was more than a hundred pound kettlebell. 1.00

00:37:15.000 It was ridiculous, whatever the fuck it was. 0.99

00:37:17.000 And he was doing it for reps. 1.00

00:37:18.000 I was like, this is incredible.

00:37:20.000 I can, we got a 200, we have multiple stones.

00:37:23.000 We got a 125 pound stone at my strength conditioning place. 0.99

00:37:27.000 God damn. 0.99

00:37:28.000 You know, roll it up on my legs and I can pop, pop, but it's just a stone. 0.99

00:37:31.000 It's just, I think that's where I get my suplexes from.

00:37:33.000 I would think it probably would help you a lot, man.

00:37:35.000 But I mean, I can get up to two, I think it's 250, 240. I can get that up and do it maybe five times.

00:37:41.000 But I mean, it's getting it up onto your lap is the hardest part.

00:37:45.000 I can explode probably 400 pounds off my hips.

00:37:47.000 As a professional athlete, isn't it fascinating to see how much things have changed as far as the way they train athletes?

00:37:54.000 The ideas behind it.

00:37:56.000 If you go back, like if you're a student of the game and you go back just like 20, 30 years, like Angelo Dundee used to tell fighters to not lift weights.

00:38:04.000 Yeah.

00:38:05.000 They used to tell him to not lift weights and it was going to slow you down.

00:38:08.000 Yeah.

00:38:08.000 It's hilarious.

00:38:09.000 They didn't know.

00:38:10.000 They didn't understand.

00:38:11.000 They didn't know.

00:38:11.000 Well, it does slow you down in that if you lift weights and you're sore, the next day you're going to be slower.

00:38:16.000 And then the coach is like, ah, it's slowing you down.

00:38:18.000 But then Mackie Shillstone comes along and trains Evander Holyfield to go up to heavyweight.

00:38:24.000 And all of a sudden, he's like a real heavyweight.

00:38:26.000 He was like 205 or something like that.

00:38:29.000 Like, not too big.

00:38:30.000 No, he was big enough.

00:38:31.000 But got swole!

00:38:34.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:38:34.000 He got fucking swole! 1.00

00:38:36.000 He was jacked. 1.00

00:38:37.000 Oh my god, was he jacked. 0.60

00:38:39.000 And he was what, 40?

00:38:41.000 Holyfield?

00:38:42.000 How old was he when he went up to heavyweight?

00:38:44.000 He started out as a cruiserweight, right?

00:38:46.000 Because he fought Dwight Cahwee.

00:38:47.000 That was like a 195, right?

00:38:49.000 That's cruiserweight.

00:38:50.000 And then when he went up to heavyweight...

00:38:53.000 Was it Mackie Shilstone worked with him?

00:38:54.000 It did, right?

00:38:55.000 Because he worked with...

00:38:56.000 I'm not sure.

00:38:57.000 He worked with Spinks, right? 1.00

00:38:58.000 Yeah.

00:38:59.000 He worked with Michael Spinks when he was bulking Spinks up to be a heavyweight to fight Tyson and Larry Holmes.

00:39:04.000 That worked that well.

00:39:05.000 That was when he burst into the scene.

00:39:06.000 He was like one of those first guys that they were realizing back in the day, like, we've got to do things a little different here.

00:39:11.000 We can't just do curls.

00:39:12.000 Well...

00:39:13.000 Yes.

00:39:14.000 I mean, that guy's in San Clemente.

00:39:15.000 I've never had a run-in with him, but all my friends have and all my coaches.

00:39:19.000 Apparently, he's just very set in his ways, I guess we'll say.

00:39:23.000 But, I mean, he was an originator of so much crazy stuff.

00:39:26.000 I mean, look at his son.

00:39:27.000 I mean, that didn't turn out like it should have.

00:39:29.000 Well, his son was under a tremendous...

00:39:31.000 For people who don't know the whole story, I don't know his son's name because I'm not a football fan.

00:39:35.000 What is his son's name?

00:39:36.000 Um...

00:39:37.000 Todd?

00:39:37.000 Todd Marinovich?

00:39:38.000 Todd Marinovich.

00:39:39.000 There's a good documentary on it.

00:39:41.000 And Marinovich is like a crazy strength and fitness guy.

00:39:44.000 He's the guy who got B.J. Penn in the best shape of his life.

00:39:47.000 When B.J. Penn fought Diego Sanchez and when he fought Sean Penn, I think those are the two times Sean Penn.

00:39:53.000 Sean Shirk.

00:39:54.000 Jesus Christ.

00:39:55.000 Right after I said it, I'm like, yeah, that's right.

00:39:57.000 What?

00:39:59.000 He fought Sean Chirk, and he fought Diego, and I think that BJ was one of the best fighters I've ever seen in my life.

00:40:06.000 That's my...

00:40:07.000 That's elite BJ. Yeah, that's the guy I've always looked up to the most, because he was old school, and people...

00:40:13.000 He made Joe Stevenson cry. 0.99

00:40:14.000 He beat a man up so bad that he was crying in the fucking corner. 1.00

00:40:18.000 BJ Penn was a motherfucker, man, for a long time. 1.00

00:40:21.000 Yeah, that's the kind of fighter I want to get myself to because when people need to fear people, you know, I want to be fucking feared because then people, you know, you beat them up and they cry in the corner. 1.00

00:40:33.000 That's... 0.93

00:40:33.000 That makes me feel great. 0.93

00:40:36.000 That's the path you're on.

00:40:37.000 You're on the path to excellence.

00:40:39.000 People fear the scariest, most excellent fighters.

00:40:42.000 There's no really disguising what the sport's about.

00:40:45.000 The sport's about victory.

00:40:46.000 It's about beating the other man.

00:40:48.000 It's about imposing your martial arts skills. 1.00

00:40:50.000 You really can't get great at that and not be scary as fuck. 0.99

00:40:53.000 It's part of the program. 0.99

00:40:54.000 It brings out the most primal...

00:40:56.000 Yes. 0.99

00:40:56.000 Urges in us that I want to kill something and eat it with my bare hands. 0.99

00:41:02.000 I want to just be King Stink. 1.00

00:41:06.000 I want to be the head monkey. 0.74

00:41:08.000 I do want to be able to do that.

00:41:10.000 Do you think you have that extra bad from growing up small?

00:41:13.000 Oh, yeah.

00:41:14.000 Because I always wanted to prove myself.

00:41:16.000 My parents, especially my mom, I think my dad really cared.

00:41:19.000 Because he always knew I could do it.

00:41:22.000 My mom wanted to show everybody else that I do every single sport and you're good at it.

00:41:26.000 Oh, wow.

00:41:27.000 Because I was good at everything.

00:41:28.000 How much did you weigh when you were in high school?

00:41:30.000 I wrestled 103, 103, 112, and 119. But I got into high school at 100 pounds.

00:41:36.000 Wow.

00:41:36.000 But then again, I've been doing Kung Fu Sansu my whole life.

00:41:39.000 I had a black belt in that.

00:41:40.000 Which, you don't compete.

00:41:42.000 I learned how to...

00:41:43.000 And I was the...

00:41:44.000 Bill Egan was my Sifu.

00:41:46.000 I was his protege.

00:41:48.000 And he's like, I'm going to teach you things that I don't teach other kids.

00:41:51.000 You have this red zone around you.

00:41:54.000 If they get in within arm's length of you, they're a problem. 0.99

00:41:56.000 You need to hit them. 0.99

00:41:59.000 I got, you know, in a threatening manner. 1.00

00:42:01.000 And I got, you know, I would punch kids in the throat, elbows. 0.89

00:42:04.000 You know, I learned arm bar kind of stuff back then. 0.96

00:42:08.000 Jump kids, you know, in the face, the groin. 0.72

00:42:10.000 Like, I got kicked out of all the best private schools. 1.00

00:42:12.000 So it was always people fucking with you and you defending yourself against assholes? 1.00

00:42:16.000 Or was you being an asshole sometimes? 1.00

00:42:19.000 A lot of the time, it started out as me wanting to beat up the bullies. 1.00

00:42:23.000 That's how it turned into me being like, you know what? 1.00

00:42:25.000 Fuck those guys. 1.00

00:42:26.000 I want to beat up every bully I see. 1.00

00:42:28.000 And I did it. 0.98

00:42:29.000 I got kicked out of my high school one year for beating up some cholo for picking on my friend's mentally handicapped cousin. 1.00

00:42:38.000 Down syndrome. 0.99

00:42:39.000 And I beat the shit out of the kid. 1.00

00:42:40.000 What kind of a world is it where you get in trouble for that? 0.99

00:42:43.000 What happened was I beat him up and then I felt someone grab me.

00:42:46.000 So, of course, I thought it was one of his friends.

00:42:48.000 And I turned around and swept the person on the ground and it was one of the proctors, one of the female proctors.

00:42:52.000 And I ran away.

00:42:55.000 Oh, you swept her. 0.99

00:42:56.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:42:57.000 Karate Kid style?

00:42:58.000 Sweep the leg?

00:42:59.000 Yeah.

00:43:00.000 I just turned around and like...

00:43:01.000 She grabbed me from one side and I put my arm out on the chest and just swept the leg. 0.99

00:43:06.000 That's so dangerous to grab someone in the middle of a fight and she probably wouldn't even think that because she's probably not a violent person.

00:43:11.000 Yeah, she was super nice.

00:43:12.000 I had to be pulled out of school.

00:43:14.000 My coach pulled me out of school three out of the four years from freshman, sophomore, junior year because after wrestling season I would just...

00:43:20.000 So you needed the discipline of wrestling to keep you in check?

00:43:24.000 Oh yeah, that's the only...

00:43:25.000 I owe my life To a small group of people in Reza, but my old wrestling coach is one of them.

00:43:31.000 I mean, that guy saved me.

00:43:33.000 Yeah, isn't it...

00:43:34.000 It's an amazing thing how many people have been saved by the diversity that comes from something like that.

00:43:41.000 Whether it's boxing, or MMA, or wrestling, or jiu-jitsu.

00:43:45.000 For me, it was taekwondo.

00:43:46.000 I needed something.

00:43:48.000 I needed some form of discipline.

00:43:50.000 Something that I can...

00:43:53.000 I enjoy, and I can attack it, and I can get really good at it, and it gives me a calmness.

00:43:59.000 Because most boys, people who are not boys don't remember it, I guess, when they get older, or they forget because they have problems of their own, they don't want to deal with it. 0.98

00:44:08.000 But when you're like 15, 16 years old, Fucking crazy. 0.98

00:44:12.000 Your body's bouncing around. 0.99

00:44:14.000 Hormones are flying through your system. 1.00

00:44:16.000 Your dick is a murderer. 1.00

00:44:18.000 Your dick is just hard all the time. 1.00

00:44:21.000 And you're crazy. 1.00

00:44:21.000 And you're basically almost a man. 1.00

00:44:23.000 And you're like thinking, I'm kind of fucking almost a man. 0.97

00:44:26.000 And I was out beating up guys that were in college. 0.99

00:44:28.000 So bad. 0.98

00:44:28.000 So I thought I was fucking super cool. 0.98

00:44:31.000 I was out stealing my dad's Supras, which we built. 0.74

00:44:34.000 I had a built Supra or a car, and I would steal those.

00:44:37.000 And he knows, so whatever.

00:44:38.000 I was living in South Orange County and just getting away with whatever I wanted.

00:44:44.000 I was too fast for them.

00:44:46.000 And they were going through their own stuff.

00:44:48.000 So, of course, I just was off on my own, just being crazy.

00:44:52.000 I started smoking weed when I was eight years old.

00:44:55.000 That's a good time start.

00:44:56.000 Yeah, it's not six.

00:44:58.000 Eight sounded good.

00:45:00.000 And it wasn't like it was a bad influence.

00:45:01.000 It just happened.

00:45:04.000 That's crazy.

00:45:06.000 Eight years old, you're smoking weed. 1.00

00:45:08.000 God damn, that's so crazy. 1.00

00:45:09.000 I'd go to school and kids would be like, oh my god, my dad let me have a sip of beer. 1.00

00:45:12.000 And I was like, I drank a 40 and took four foot bong rips all the weekend.

00:45:15.000 Oh my god, how old were you?

00:45:17.000 You know, going through, like, middle school or whatever, and kids just, I mean, didn't understand.

00:45:21.000 I mean, I'd be at private school, and I wouldn't, I never, you know, I was always, you know, you don't talk about stuff like that, especially if you don't want to get in trouble.

00:45:28.000 So, of course, I always kept my mouth shut.

00:45:30.000 But, you know, I was a degenerate at a young age.

00:45:34.000 You know, it was just in me to just, I wanted to be the bad guy.

00:45:37.000 I wanted to have that fun.

00:45:38.000 And where do you think that came from?

00:45:40.000 When you think about it now, when you're trying to be a calm guy, and you have I had a great upbringing.

00:45:52.000 Really?

00:45:52.000 That's hilarious.

00:45:53.000 I did this all to myself.

00:45:55.000 My parents are awesome people.

00:45:57.000 Sure, they went through a divorce, but that doesn't turn...

00:45:59.000 Let me stop you right there, because I think it's really difficult...

00:46:04.000 To understand or underestimate the negative impact that being bullied can have on a person.

00:46:10.000 It's huge.

00:46:11.000 And people say that it's not like being molested or abused. 1.00

00:46:17.000 And I say bullshit. 0.99

00:46:18.000 I say it's probably pretty close to a lot of guys. 0.99

00:46:20.000 Yeah.

00:46:21.000 I mean, it might not be the physical humiliation of someone forcing you to have sex, but the physical intimidation aspect of it is terrifying, and it changes your perception of reality when you're around that person.

00:46:34.000 There's constant danger.

00:46:35.000 You're going to get swatted, you're going to get pushed, you're going to get compromised.

00:46:38.000 It's a terrible, terrible thing. 0.99

00:46:40.000 And it can fuck with people, and it can turn people into depressed people who want to kill themselves because of that, because they can't take the pain anymore. 0.99

00:46:48.000 And people don't realize it when they're doing it, I don't think. 1.00

00:46:51.000 I think, you know, they're probably bullied at home, or, you know, someone bullied them, and, you know, they're insecure, or they're beaten, or whatever the fuck it is, or they go to school, and they just cunt out on some little kid. 0.98

00:47:00.000 But, man, I've seen it have devastating impacts on people. 0.98

00:47:04.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

00:47:05.000 I mean, you see it in high school, and what I always did in high school was I would pick on the bullies or pick on the cool kids, because, you know, the class president types, I just liked talking shit, too. 0.99

00:47:15.000 It was fun. 0.99

00:47:16.000 Yeah, I always had a big mouth. 0.99

00:47:18.000 I got pretty lucky with not getting the fuck beating out of me in high school. 0.97

00:47:22.000 Yeah, well, see, the only time I ever got really beat up, I think, in Street Fights was... 0.83

00:47:28.000 Because, obviously, I pick my battles.

00:47:29.000 I know, you know, I know I can beat that guy up.

00:47:31.000 I'm small, you know, but, like, I would always try and test it, but I got, you know, we used to go as groups, me and my friends, we would go beat up a bunch of skinheads in the next neighboring town, like, all the time.

00:47:39.000 Right.

00:47:39.000 I got booted, you know, booted by those guys twice at Del Taco and went to the house party.

00:47:45.000 But, you know, it's, you get beat up, I get beat up on national TV now, and it's not that bad.

00:47:48.000 But, I mean, when you're, Getting beat up, I mean, especially as a kid, getting beat up by a bully, by someone in front of other people.

00:47:57.000 It's humiliating.

00:47:58.000 It's horrible.

00:47:59.000 And that's why I would always try and stick up for the kids getting bullied.

00:48:03.000 And it's also at a time in your life when you're the most vulnerable.

00:48:06.000 It's really hard for you to really understand what's going on in life.

00:48:10.000 And, you know, people make a lot of terrible mistakes at those young ages.

00:48:13.000 And I think one of them is actually being a bully.

00:48:16.000 Yeah.

00:48:16.000 I mean, I think that kind of karma, like pushing out in that direction.

00:48:21.000 You're a 10-year-old asshole. 1.00

00:48:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:48:23.000 I want to punch you in the face. 0.99

00:48:24.000 Yeah, I started getting into martial arts just because I was scared. 0.99

00:48:27.000 I just wanted people to be scared of me.

00:48:29.000 I didn't want to do anything.

00:48:31.000 I didn't want to start fights.

00:48:33.000 I just wanted everybody to be scared of me.

00:48:34.000 I wanted to be Wolverine.

00:48:37.000 You got the look.

00:48:39.000 Yes.

00:48:39.000 Yeah, it's a weird thing, but the interesting aspect of it is that I'm a huge MMA fan, and I don't think you have MMA if you don't have bullies.

00:48:50.000 True. 0.93

00:48:50.000 It's really kind of fucked up, but one of the things... 0.93

00:48:53.000 I mean, it's not everybody, but goddamn a lot of them have been bullied. 0.99

00:48:57.000 Like, I don't know if Jon Jones has been bullied, but I do know that Jon Jones has a bigger brother, and they used to go at it in the house all the time.

00:49:03.000 So, like, it's not bullied because it's not dangerous.

00:49:06.000 I mean, it's like your brother, but it's still, like, you gotta fight all the time.

00:49:09.000 Oh, my brother used to beat the crap out of me.

00:49:11.000 My oldest brother... 1.00

00:49:12.000 Tom, he was kind of a dick. 1.00

00:49:13.000 He was a bully. 1.00

00:49:15.000 But he's like 15 years older than me.

00:49:17.000 My brother Brad, who fought professionally before there was anything, like I told you, he fought in a fan and stuff.

00:49:22.000 And he was 5-1 or 6-1.

00:49:24.000 You said we trained at 10th Planet?

00:49:26.000 Yeah, I trained with Eddie at 10th and you at 10th.

00:49:28.000 But we were at Next Generation and When we would get mad at each other, I mean, we would be at the gym.

00:49:35.000 And I'm sure he never probably really let me have it, but he used to beat the crap out of me.

00:49:40.000 I was 15 getting beat up by grown men, by the Chris Brennans and the Adam Linds and my brother and Jeremy. 0.98

00:49:46.000 It sucked, man. 1.00

00:49:48.000 That fucking sucks. 1.00

00:49:49.000 Yeah, it was horrible. 1.00

00:49:50.000 But it made me the fighter I am now.

00:49:52.000 Yeah, but that's almost, I mean, I'm not encouraging bullies in any stretch of the imagination, but George St. Pierre was bullied.

00:49:58.000 Yeah.

00:49:58.000 The greatest fighter of all time.

00:49:59.000 He's one of the all-time greats.

00:50:01.000 Yeah, by far.

00:50:01.000 I don't know about Anderson Silva, but I would like to know.

00:50:04.000 I wonder whether or not he was bullied.

00:50:05.000 With a voice like that, he probably got bullied.

00:50:07.000 I mean, he for sure was in a dangerous area growing up.

00:50:10.000 Yeah.

00:50:11.000 It seems like those days, like, it's funny just, like, watching those old fights and those shoot-the-box guys would all come in like a gang.

00:50:18.000 Yeah.

00:50:19.000 That's exactly what it was. 1.00

00:50:20.000 They were the wildest motherfuckers. 1.00

00:50:21.000 I mean, fighting in, like, backyards. 1.00

00:50:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:24.000 Going from grass to concrete to stucco wall.

00:50:26.000 Yeah.

00:50:27.000 Just wearing tiny Speedos.

00:50:30.000 Like, when you go, like, you look at the early days of Pride and you see, like, Vanderlei and Shogun and Ninja... 1.00

00:50:38.000 Like, goddamn, they were the scariest motherfuckers. 1.00

00:50:41.000 Wild-ass Brazilian dudes. 1.00

00:50:43.000 Trying to step on your face. 0.99

00:50:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:46.000 And there's not a drug test to be had, son.

00:50:50.000 They were pretty open about it back then.

00:50:52.000 I mean, I've heard things from, you know, people who were there.

00:50:54.000 They were like, hey, like, guys, guess what?

00:50:56.000 Like, we don't test for steroids.

00:50:58.000 Yeah.

00:50:59.000 Well, they tell you to get on them, too.

00:51:01.000 I had a friend who was 170 and they wanted him to go to 185. Give your struts. 0.99

00:51:06.000 Give your struts.

00:51:08.000 They were just ready to go.

00:51:10.000 They were just going gangster. 0.99

00:51:11.000 In a lot of ways, I was really happy that Pride existed and that it was as wild as it was because they put together shit that no one would ever sanction. 0.98

00:51:21.000 Like Minotauro versus Bob Sapp. 0.97

00:51:23.000 When Bob Sapp was 370 plus...

00:51:27.000 People don't realize that that's real. 0.99

00:51:29.000 He was 370 fucking pounds. 0.99

00:51:32.000 Hongman Choi. 0.99

00:51:33.000 Bringing these oddities out. 0.97

00:51:36.000 What was the big fat black guy from Brazil? 0.98

00:51:38.000 Zuluino or whatever? 0.97

00:51:40.000 Yes!

00:51:40.000 He could fight, but they just see these...

00:51:44.000 Well, he was Zulu's son.

00:51:45.000 Yeah.

00:51:45.000 The Japanese see things differently.

00:51:48.000 They just see entertainment.

00:51:50.000 They see a black guy and they're like, oh, he's got to be entertaining.

00:51:53.000 That's why he's here.

00:51:54.000 You get Quentin.

00:51:55.000 They love him over there.

00:51:56.000 Well, Quentin also had some sensational fights, man.

00:52:00.000 I'm just saying, the Japanese, they have the niche that they like and they just... 1.00

00:52:04.000 Make it the weirdest, craziest shit they can. 0.99

00:52:07.000 Yeah, anybody who complains about Quentin Rampage Jackson, you are not an MMA fan. 0.99

00:52:11.000 If you complain about Rampage, I don't care where he's at now, I don't care whatever, stop. 1.00

00:52:16.000 Go back and watch those pride fights and shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:52:20.000 He was a badass. 0.99

00:52:21.000 His fight with Kevin Randleman, incredible fight.

00:52:24.000 His fight with Arona is one of the highlight all-time slams in the history of MMA. That's when he was with my coach, Oyama.

00:52:32.000 Ah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:33.000 Yeah, Rampage was a beast, man.

00:52:36.000 Oyama had him throwing more leg kicks.

00:52:37.000 He had him doing a lot of different things than he's doing.

00:52:39.000 He became like a real power puncher after a while.

00:52:43.000 Look, Rampage can still knock out anyone in the world. 0.99

00:52:46.000 If he catches anyone in the world, their fucks will. 0.99

00:52:49.000 He's going to sleep. 0.99

00:52:49.000 He has hammers. 0.99

00:52:52.000 That right hook that he hit Chuck Liddell with, I'll never forget that punch.

00:52:56.000 I think Chuck threw a left, and he came over the top of the right.

00:53:01.000 Whatever it was, I think Chuck was pawing with his jab maybe, he was trying to set up the right, whatever it was.

00:53:07.000 Rampage hit him with either, I think it was a counter right hook. 0.89

00:53:11.000 Babe, I know they were circling, I can see the camera here now.

00:53:13.000 God, I barely remember.

00:53:14.000 Chuck's one of my best friends, so that's, it's ingrained in my brain, you know, but see, I think they're circling left.

00:53:22.000 And then of course, you know, something, he threw that right hook and just boom.

00:53:26.000 That was, Rampage had that ridiculous one-punch power that Vanderlei fights, another example. 0.99

00:53:31.000 God damn, he uncorked that left hook on the button! 0.99

00:53:35.000 You're going nine-nine. 0.99

00:53:35.000 You know, nobody had ever done, I mean... 0.99

00:53:38.000 Krokop, he hit him a gang of times before he flatlined him.

00:53:42.000 He was lighting Vanderlei up in that fight.

00:53:45.000 Because the first time they fought, it was an incredible fight, but Krokop just really wasn't good on the ground yet.

00:53:50.000 His takedown defense wasn't there.

00:53:52.000 Very little.

00:53:53.000 Very little.

00:53:53.000 And they had a strange rules fight, where it was like, you could only stay on the ground for a little bit of time.

00:53:59.000 It was like a minute or some short period.

00:54:01.000 Some short period.

00:54:02.000 So Krokop would just lock him up in a guard and try to hang on.

00:54:05.000 I don't know what rules they had.

00:54:07.000 It was a weird rule thing.

00:54:08.000 It was pride.

00:54:09.000 But then in the second fight, Krokop had had a few MMA fights and he got his timing down.

00:54:15.000 And that was when Krokop was Krokop, man.

00:54:16.000 He was dangerous.

00:54:17.000 That was a scary man.

00:54:19.000 Again, one of the scariest tools to ever exist in MMA that he knocked out multiple people with.

00:54:26.000 And the thing about Krokop is I feel like UFC fans, again, don't appreciate the majesty that was Krokop in his prime.

00:54:35.000 We got him after a long career, a hard career against Fedor and against Josh Barnett. 0.98

00:54:42.000 I mean, he fought some fucking battles. 0.59

00:54:45.000 So by the time we got him in the UFC, he had been in quite a few real, real wars. 0.99

00:54:49.000 And think of all the heavyweight kickboxing fights he had.

00:54:52.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:53.000 He fought a lot of K-1 fights against the top guys.

00:54:55.000 High-level, high-level guys.

00:54:57.000 That Mark Hunt fight.

00:54:58.000 It's a classic one, man.

00:55:00.000 Classic.

00:55:01.000 They had some wars in K-1, man.

00:55:04.000 People had...

00:55:04.000 I mean, he was in the mix with some of the best fighters in the world over there.

00:55:08.000 Yeah, you got, you know, you got the Bunjowski and Small Alistair, Peter Ayrts, you know, the Tyrone Spong.

00:55:15.000 The Dutch group of kickboxers. 0.95

00:55:18.000 The heavyweights are...

00:55:19.000 I mean, and these guys have like 100 heavyweight fights.

00:55:22.000 200 heavyweight fights.

00:55:23.000 I mean, this is insane.

00:55:25.000 I mean, someone my size, okay, you have 200 Thai fights in Thailand.

00:55:29.000 It's still pretty gnarly.

00:55:31.000 It's more than gnarly.

00:55:32.000 It's crazy.

00:55:33.000 But, I mean, double the size and almost the same amount of fights.

00:55:36.000 I mean, that's just...

00:55:38.000 That's completely insane.

00:55:39.000 Yeah, it's incredible.

00:55:40.000 I mean, dude had 29 kickboxing fights.

00:55:44.000 On record.

00:55:45.000 On record.

00:55:46.000 And then 41 MMA fights. 1.00

00:55:49.000 God damn! 1.00

00:55:51.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:55:52.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:55:53.000 He had some great fucking K1 fights too, man. 0.98

00:55:56.000 Really fun. 0.95

00:55:57.000 See, he was one of the best guys to come over, even though he wasn't one of the best K1 guys.

00:56:02.000 He was just below the elite of the elite.

00:56:05.000 Just below the Grand Prix winners.

00:56:07.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:56:08.000 He did win a Grand Prix recently, right?

00:56:10.000 Yeah.

00:56:10.000 It was the European one or something?

00:56:13.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:56:14.000 I'll find out and give him the credit he deserves.

00:56:16.000 But when he came over, he had the one thing that a lot of people didn't have.

00:56:23.000 Ridiculous speed and explosion.

00:56:25.000 And he had, like, I think he had a karate background, right? 0.84

00:56:28.000 Is that correct?

00:56:30.000 When he first started?

00:56:31.000 Yeah, I think he started, like, I'm sure that was a long, long time ago.

00:56:33.000 Didn't he like the Jean-Claude Van Damme movies or something like that and learn how to kick that way?

00:56:37.000 Something crazy like that, I believe.

00:56:39.000 I believe that that's how it got started.

00:56:42.000 I think he was a Jean-Claude Van Damme fan and then got into karate from that. 0.99

00:56:46.000 But his fucking kicks are so unusual. 0.99

00:56:50.000 The angle, the speed. 1.00

00:56:51.000 The speed is ridiculous. 0.96

00:56:53.000 He's got horse legs. 0.81

00:56:56.000 Those things are huge. 0.78

00:56:57.000 Of course, those kicking you in the face is going to not feel good.

00:57:01.000 And he, again, I mean, it was like, he had that weight.

00:57:04.000 It was like, you know, 230-ish, 228. He said, yeah, 228 is what he, like, the average that he weighed when he was in his prime.

00:57:11.000 And it was just scary fast.

00:57:14.000 When he knocked out Bob Sapp, Bob Sapp was 3-fucking-70, and Mirko Krokop, no, he right-handed him, or left-handed him, straight left to the eye socket, remember?

00:57:23.000 Oh, and broke his eye, okay, and then he...

00:57:25.000 Yeah, he broke his eye socket.

00:57:27.000 I think he kicked him before that.

00:57:29.000 I remember a kick to the body that Bob Sapp did.

00:57:32.000 See if you can find that.

00:57:33.000 See if you can find Cro Cop vs.

00:57:35.000 Bob Sapp.

00:57:35.000 Because that was one of Cro Cop's best fights.

00:57:37.000 And it was a kickboxing fight, too.

00:57:39.000 That was back when this was a guy, Bob Sapp, who had beaten Ernesto Hoost, who most people think was the greatest ever.

00:57:47.000 Or one of the top ten guys ever, for sure.

00:57:49.000 I shouldn't say the greatest ever.

00:57:51.000 Even Dutch guys say it.

00:57:52.000 But it's kind of between him...

00:57:53.000 When he's in his prime or like Rob Kamen or, of course, Ramon Deckers.

00:58:01.000 But Deckers gets the most credit because he fought the lightest guys.

00:58:03.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:58:03.000 I read that.

00:58:04.000 Ramon Deckers is one of my idols. 1.00

00:58:06.000 Look at this shit, dude. 0.99

00:58:07.000 This is Bob Sapp versus Mirko Krokop. 1.00

00:58:09.000 Mirko is literally almost 200 pounds lighter than him. 0.73

00:58:17.000 He's actually a hundred, he's probably, no bullshit, 150 pounds lighter than him.

00:58:22.000 Easily. 0.77

00:58:23.000 Which is incredible. 1.00

00:58:24.000 And I mean, he just sucks, man. 0.99

00:58:26.000 And he's chasing Crow Cop around and he gets a hold of him and he's trying to rabbit punch him, he's trying to dirty box him. 1.00

00:58:33.000 He just wants to club you to death. 0.98

00:58:34.000 He's that big, he just has to lay one on you and you're done.

00:58:36.000 But Mirko was strong enough and fast enough to keep him off, which is the difference between his style and Ernesto Hust.

00:58:43.000 Ernesto Hust is the better kickboxer technically than Mirko.

00:58:47.000 What makes Mirko so dangerous in MMA is that he's explosive and it'll dart in and blast you.

00:58:53.000 He'll take a chance and do something wild where a guy like...

00:58:55.000 He'll teach you something hard.

00:58:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:58:57.000 Some ridiculous shit. 1.00

00:58:58.000 Not just a feeler. 1.00

00:58:59.000 I mean, he wants to...

00:59:00.000 Yeah.

00:59:01.000 He will go after you.

00:59:02.000 Oh, I forgot he got ball clipped.

00:59:04.000 He got ball clipped, it looks like.

00:59:05.000 Something happened there.

00:59:07.000 Very rarely do you get pokes in pride, too.

00:59:10.000 That's true.

00:59:10.000 That's another interesting thing.

00:59:11.000 This is actually a kickboxing belt.

00:59:12.000 Those are those fat fingers on.

00:59:14.000 Yeah, fat fingers, and apparently the way it's designed, it makes you curl your hand more, keep it curled, whereas the UFC ones, do you feel that the UFC ones make your hand straighten out?

00:59:26.000 I never thought about it.

00:59:27.000 I'll have to check that out next time.

00:59:28.000 Well, they say that the Pride ones were curved.

00:59:30.000 They had a curve to them.

00:59:31.000 Yeah, they were actually bent curved where the UFC ones were straight.

00:59:34.000 Yeah, and especially as a fight goes on, you relax your hands maybe a little bit.

00:59:39.000 That would be a time where the Pride one would be better because it would keep them kind of curved.

00:59:42.000 That makes sense.

00:59:43.000 Oh, so he hit them with a body shot there?

00:59:45.000 Back that up.

00:59:45.000 I'm talking too much.

00:59:46.000 People who are listening to this and watching this are getting two totally different experiences.

00:59:51.000 Because I don't even know who has the...

00:59:54.000 See, there's the body shot.

00:59:55.000 Boom! 0.99

00:59:55.000 Left kick to the body and straight left to the face. 0.99

00:59:59.000 Marco Krokop was a fucking savage back then, man. 0.99

01:00:02.000 He was one of the most dangerous guys as far as sniper strikers. 0.99

01:00:07.000 Yeah.

01:00:08.000 And then came into MMA and fought in Pride. 0.99

01:00:10.000 Holy shit, were those some great fights. 0.97

01:00:12.000 His knockouts in Pride are some of the all-time greatest highlight reel head kick knockouts. 0.98

01:00:17.000 A series of them.

01:00:18.000 It's the same thing.

01:00:19.000 Yeah, Igor Vovchashkin, boom!

01:00:21.000 Alexander Millianenko, boom! 0.95

01:00:23.000 Just blasting dudes with that head kick. 1.00

01:00:25.000 That Russian dude, Dos Karos, he came in with the Luta Libre mask on, head kick, boom! 0.99

01:00:30.000 Yeah, he was trained with Marco Huas for that fight, and I remember thinking, like, dude, this guy's gonna, duh.

01:00:35.000 Oh! 0.60

01:00:35.000 Because, you know, Marco was in our area, and I had some friends that trained over there, and I remember just, like, I would stop in there every once in a while, and I was just like, man, this guy might actually die in this one. 0.60

01:00:47.000 Yeah, he was amazing, man.

01:00:49.000 Marco, at that level, that's, like, when he was at his very best.

01:00:53.000 It was either before he was challenging Fedor or right after.

01:00:56.000 It was somewhere in that area where it was him chasing after Fedor.

01:00:59.000 Couldn't quite beat that guy.

01:01:01.000 That guy was the best at that time.

01:01:05.000 Still one of my all-time favorites.

01:01:07.000 Especially now that you've had a chance to look at his career in perspective, because he's decided to step back.

01:01:15.000 I've been watching some of his old fights.

01:01:16.000 I've watched Best of Pride.

01:01:18.000 And you watch some of the crazy ones.

01:01:20.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:01:21.000 He was a risk-taking motherfucker, man. 1.00

01:01:23.000 As a heavyweight champ, a risk-taking motherfucker. 1.00

01:01:26.000 He wanted to go in there and he wanted to finish you. 0.99

01:01:30.000 No matter what. 0.98

01:01:31.000 And he wanted to just violently crush you.

01:01:36.000 It just seemed like he had that super killer instinct that, I mean, is rare.

01:01:41.000 He was incredible.

01:01:42.000 He was so aggressive and explosive and yet unassuming.

01:01:47.000 It was the weirdest thing.

01:01:49.000 230 pounds, 220 pounds of not buff.

01:01:52.000 At all.

01:01:53.000 Almost like a chubby kid.

01:01:54.000 Yeah, not even a little buff.

01:01:55.000 And just like, I mean, he could move.

01:01:58.000 That guy was fast and he hit like a brick on the end of his hand.

01:02:02.000 And it was crazy because he really started off as a grappler.

01:02:05.000 But somewhere along the line, he became one of the scariest strikers in MMA. And one of the guys who was the most successful striking.

01:02:13.000 His fight with Krokop was basically a kickboxing fight.

01:02:16.000 Yeah, they stood the whole time.

01:02:17.000 Yeah, I mean, there was a few exchanges on the ground where he was inside of Krokop's guard, but for the most part, it was a kickboxing bout that he won.

01:02:25.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:02:25.000 He outstruck Krokop.

01:02:26.000 And he just kept Krokop backing up.

01:02:29.000 He kept coming forward, and he's always dangerous.

01:02:31.000 And there was fights where he had to come back, too, like the fight against Fujita, where he got clipped.

01:02:38.000 Remember that fight?

01:02:39.000 He did the chicken dance.

01:02:41.000 Yeah, he did the chicken dance.

01:02:42.000 And then, you know, 15 seconds later, Fujita's out.

01:02:45.000 Yeah.

01:02:45.000 Ran him and slammed him and then literally just swept him and torqued his arm.

01:02:49.000 That Kimura, that reverse arm bar, whatever it is, that was beautiful. 0.64

01:02:54.000 And it was like the seconds after getting slammed on his head in one of the most ridiculous suplexes ever attempted in MMA. Yeah.

01:03:01.000 And Randeman, if you never saw Randeman fight, Randeman was probably the biggest freak athlete to ever get into MMA. I know that's like a big statement.

01:03:10.000 No, that guy is a ball of...

01:03:13.000 Of alpha.

01:03:14.000 Of alpha, yeah.

01:03:15.000 He is just...

01:03:17.000 He could do things physically.

01:03:19.000 Like the Hulk.

01:03:21.000 Like the Hulk.

01:03:21.000 If the Hulk was real.

01:03:23.000 That's him.

01:03:23.000 He would go into the octagon before fights and do this thing where he would jump up in the air just to kind of freak you out.

01:03:29.000 And he would literally jump to the top of the octagon.

01:03:32.000 It was one of the weirdest things you've ever seen in your life.

01:03:34.000 You couldn't believe a human could jump that high.

01:03:37.000 He's not that tall, but wide and just long.

01:03:41.000 Is he 5'11 or 6 feet tall maybe?

01:03:43.000 5'11 I'd say.

01:03:45.000 And unbelievably muscular in his prime.

01:03:48.000 I mean he was a superhero.

01:03:49.000 He had a 26 inch waist.

01:03:50.000 He looked like Wolverine.

01:03:52.000 Like if Wolverine was a real person, he had that build. 1.00

01:03:55.000 And god damn that motherfucker could move. 0.99

01:03:58.000 Renneman would take guys down and take guys down with these powered doubles, like launch them through the air like he was launching hundreds of pounds. 1.00

01:04:07.000 You know those big looping set up hooks that he would throw like he knocked a crook up with?

01:04:12.000 He jumped from halfway across the ring. 0.98

01:04:15.000 Ridiculous. 0.81

01:04:16.000 Explosiveness, athleticism, power, speed, off the charts. 0.85

01:04:19.000 But it seemed like there was only bursts where he really applied himself.

01:04:24.000 That's one of the curses it seems like for these ultra, ultra talented guys.

01:04:28.000 It's like almost it comes too easy.

01:04:30.000 And it's almost like guys that have to, I've always said like if you want to learn technique, like if anybody's like trying to learn jujitsu, learn from a light guy.

01:04:38.000 Yeah.

01:04:38.000 Learn from a guy who has to struggle and really learn how to do it correctly.

01:04:41.000 You learn from some Kevin Reneman type cat, like that guy can do shit you can't do, man. 0.98

01:04:46.000 He's still getting around that. 0.94

01:04:48.000 He's not going to do what he's doing.

01:04:49.000 He's just going to can opener you all day.

01:04:51.000 Yeah, let's just forget that.

01:04:52.000 We've got to figure out another way to approach this.

01:04:55.000 Because you guys are dealing with two different kinds of vehicles. 1.00

01:04:58.000 That guy's got a fucking Ferrari. 1.00

01:05:00.000 He can do crazy shit. 1.00

01:05:01.000 You can't do that. 1.00

01:05:02.000 You've got to think.

01:05:03.000 Even if Ford Aspire aren't going to...

01:05:06.000 It's weird that a lot of those guys that are super ultra-talented, for whatever reason, they don't achieve the same results that a lot of the guys that are almost...

01:05:16.000 It's an uphill battle the entire way.

01:05:19.000 But along the way, they develop these incredible skills.

01:05:22.000 A perfect example of a guy who had very few physical gifts and didn't even take care of his health was Jeremy Horn. 1.00

01:05:29.000 You know, Jeremy Horn would eat shitty ass food. 0.99

01:05:32.000 He was never yoked. 1.00

01:05:33.000 He didn't lift a weight in his life.

01:05:34.000 He had, what, 200 fights or something? 1.00

01:05:36.000 Fucking goddamn Jeremy Horn had a lot of fights. 0.99

01:05:38.000 And he very rarely got hurt. 1.00

01:05:40.000 Yeah.

01:05:40.000 Very rarely.

01:05:41.000 He got chucked.

01:05:41.000 The chuck fight was like the only fight where he got hurt.

01:05:43.000 That was a bludgeoning.

01:05:44.000 That was sad.

01:05:45.000 It was a bludgeoning.

01:05:46.000 It was a different chuck.

01:05:47.000 It was a different chuck and Jeremy didn't belong in that weight class.

01:05:49.000 There was already a weight class below.

01:05:51.000 He should have been competing at 85. It was, I think, a money thing.

01:05:54.000 It was a hype thing, you know?

01:05:56.000 Well, yeah, it was like Chuck's first loss.

01:05:58.000 It was a fun fight.

01:06:00.000 The first fight was interesting because Jeremy caught Chuck with an arm triangle from the bottom and put him to sleep, which never happens.

01:06:08.000 It's so rare. 0.85

01:06:09.000 And if you know how fucking strong Chuck Liddell is, that's when that becomes really incredible. 0.96

01:06:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:06:15.000 Because Chuck is a fucking savage. 1.00

01:06:18.000 He's a very big, very strong man. 1.00

01:06:21.000 People don't know.

01:06:22.000 In person, I saw some of his greatest victories, like the Tito fights and the Babalu fights.

01:06:30.000 You can think of so many of them.

01:06:33.000 The Randleman fight, another great fight.

01:06:35.000 Chuck had a way of going after dudes. 0.99

01:06:38.000 The first Tito knockout, that fucking series of... 0.99

01:06:43.000 Hammers he threw. 1.00

01:06:44.000 He was a terrifying guy, man.

01:06:47.000 Terrifying.

01:06:49.000 Especially for Tito that time, because Tito knew...

01:06:51.000 Yeah, it was coming.

01:06:52.000 Yeah, Tito knew it was coming.

01:06:53.000 He knew that it was only going to get worse with no pads on.

01:06:58.000 And Tito doesn't like getting hit.

01:07:01.000 He's just that kind of guy who...

01:07:05.000 Break under that kind of pressure.

01:07:07.000 I think most people will, but he just wilted pretty bad.

01:07:10.000 Well, it was just a terrible matchup for him at that time, and I think Tito was already having some back problems. 0.96

01:07:15.000 I think Tito's back had been fucking with him for a while. 0.91

01:07:17.000 I mean, you gotta think, he had a real powerful style. 0.93

01:07:21.000 Tito had this really aggressive attacking style.

01:07:28.000 I'm sure if he fought the way he fought, and if he trained for those kind of fights, I bet his training was every bit as fucking brutal, and that's an incredible amount of punishment for your body to take.

01:07:38.000 My coach is the one who had him there. 0.68

01:07:40.000 And he just...

01:07:41.000 I mean, that guy trained his ass off from what my coach says. 0.81

01:07:44.000 Colin Yama? 0.88

01:07:45.000 Yeah, he...

01:07:46.000 Colin says that...

01:07:47.000 Colin's been around forever.

01:07:48.000 Yeah, he's super old school.

01:07:49.000 Old school, respect.

01:07:52.000 Colin Yama, respect.

01:07:53.000 We got an old school team, man. 1.00

01:07:54.000 Fuck yeah, you do. 0.99

01:07:56.000 I mean, to go from like Tito's early days, you know? 1.00

01:08:00.000 That dude went hard, man.

01:08:01.000 And I'll tell you what, I don't think Tito Ortiz gets enough respect.

01:08:04.000 No, he doesn't.

01:08:05.000 Because people realize that during his era, he was incredibly dominant.

01:08:09.000 Even if he lost to Chuck Liddell or whoever he lost to, during Tito's era, when he was on top, when he beat Evan Tanner, when he slammed him and KO'd him, rest in peace Evan Tanner.

01:08:20.000 Yeah.

01:08:21.000 When, you know, when he beat Ken Shamrock, and granted, these are not the best fighters in the world at the time.

01:08:27.000 Ken had already had a long career and had a lot of damage, and his ACLs were fucked up, you know.

01:08:32.000 But he, it doesn't matter. 0.99

01:08:35.000 Tito was fucking dominant back then. 0.99

01:08:36.000 When he would get his hands on you, he was so strong. 0.99

01:08:39.000 So strong.

01:08:39.000 Get you down with, you know, with clean wrestling, and then him, like, maybe he didn't punch that hard on the feet, but when he got on top of you...

01:08:46.000 Oh, yeah.

01:08:46.000 Oh, man, he was putting...

01:08:47.000 All of his weight into the elbows, all of his weight into the punches, and he was just on point with that.

01:08:52.000 In my opinion, he's like a pioneer of ground and pound inside the guard.

01:08:57.000 Definitely.

01:08:57.000 Because he's one of the best at doing it inside the guard.

01:08:59.000 Everybody I say, if I see someone doing a ground and pound thing in the guard, I always think, well, this guy would do better if he would get out of this position.

01:09:06.000 Yeah.

01:09:06.000 Not Tito.

01:09:07.000 No. 0.99

01:09:07.000 Tito would fucking smash guys from inside their guard. 0.99

01:09:10.000 And I think we learned a lot about horsepower in those fights. 0.99

01:09:14.000 Yeah.

01:09:14.000 That if you've got that kind of horsepower, there's certain...

01:09:17.000 Like, most dudes have a 320 horsepower engine.

01:09:20.000 And, you know, if you're in there with a dude like Tito, Tito's got a 500 horsepower engine, okay?

01:09:23.000 And you're not going to hold onto him with your legs.

01:09:25.000 Yeah, it's not. 1.00

01:09:26.000 Your sweaty-ass, tired legs are not going to keep that animal from fucking slamming elbows into your face. 1.00

01:09:31.000 But it's just... 1.00

01:09:32.000 That was his time.

01:09:34.000 And everybody's time...

01:09:35.000 Is very limited in that sport.

01:09:37.000 Of course.

01:09:38.000 We all have a very limited shelf life.

01:09:40.000 We're going to go bad.

01:09:41.000 Even Chuck, who was one of the most durable guys ever.

01:09:45.000 At a certain point in time, he had to be like, you know what, we're gone.

01:09:48.000 Your body gives out, that button gets pushed too much, whatever it is.

01:09:53.000 One day, most of us want to go out on our shield, so that's just how it ends.

01:09:58.000 It's not always pretty.

01:10:00.000 You know, it's interesting, the volume of strikes that you guys deal with in the flyweight division, it's got to be higher than, by far, than any other division, right?

01:10:12.000 Has anybody ever compiled it and tried to see what the volume of strikes is?

01:10:16.000 That's a good...

01:10:17.000 Someone do that on the UG. Someone figure it out.

01:10:21.000 Someone probably already has.

01:10:22.000 They're like, I'm on it!

01:10:23.000 Crunching numbers, I got the data!

01:10:25.000 There's probably dudes out there that remember all those stats.

01:10:29.000 I only only drive gun on weekends.

01:10:31.000 But the amount of actual beats that actually go on, whether it's movement, steps, strikes, landed, and the accelerated aspect of that in comparison to maybe other weight classes where they don't move as much, I wonder if that has an impact on your body getting to a certain point and just saying,

01:10:50.000 alright, we're good.

01:10:51.000 Yeah.

01:10:52.000 I landed the fourth most leg kicks in UFC history.

01:10:54.000 Oh my god.

01:10:55.000 That's what Helwani told me.

01:10:56.000 In your last fight?

01:10:57.000 Yeah, 43. Holy shit. 0.99

01:11:00.000 Goddamn that. 1.00

01:11:00.000 That's a lot. 1.00

01:11:01.000 I don't know how to kick harder because if I land 43 kicks, someone should not be walking.

01:11:05.000 I'm just thinking about 43 kicks hitting your legs.

01:11:07.000 And that was just the body. 0.84

01:11:08.000 That was just the legs. 0.99

01:11:10.000 I got a couple to the body and a couple to the head, I think.

01:11:13.000 The average person.

01:11:14.000 I come from a Muay Thai gym.

01:11:15.000 I know you do.

01:11:15.000 Listen, I love your footwork too, man.

01:11:17.000 You're a fun guy to watch.

01:11:19.000 It's constant excitement. 0.98

01:11:21.000 And your last fight was fucking badass. 0.98

01:11:23.000 I wish I was there. 0.97

01:11:24.000 It was a lot of fun.

01:11:26.000 Did you fight in Brazil?

01:11:27.000 Is that where it was?

01:11:28.000 Yeah, 163. What was that like?

01:11:30.000 Oh, man.

01:11:31.000 I love Brazil.

01:11:32.000 I went out of my way to make the fans appreciate me and not hate me.

01:11:38.000 I was the only non-Brazilian that didn't get booed at weigh-ins.

01:11:41.000 Oh, that's beautiful.

01:11:43.000 And, of course, I knew I would get booed in the fight because there's 15,000, 20,000 angry Brazilians. 1.00

01:11:49.000 They chant, you're going to die.

01:11:54.000 You know what I think though, man?

01:11:57.000 Undeniably, you're one of the best fighters in the world.

01:12:00.000 Thank you.

01:12:00.000 And undeniably, they're mixed martial arts fans.

01:12:04.000 Those people, when they see a top contender in his weight class, respect.

01:12:09.000 They appreciate it. 1.00

01:12:09.000 I mean, there's a few guys that have said stupid shit like Chael Sonnen. 1.00

01:12:11.000 Chael Sonnen can't go to fucking Brazil. 1.00

01:12:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:12:13.000 Like, if Chael ever... 0.99

01:12:15.000 Look, Chael's not the type to come to me for advice.

01:12:18.000 Yeah.

01:12:19.000 But if he ever came to me for advice and he said, Hey, Joe, they're offering me a fight against the Brazil... 0.98

01:12:25.000 Vitor Belfort in Brazil.

01:12:26.000 Do I go? 1.00

01:12:27.000 Fuck no, you don't go. 1.00

01:12:28.000 No, don't eat the food. 1.00

01:12:29.000 Don't go.

01:12:30.000 And I'm not saying Brazilian people would poison you.

01:12:32.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:12:33.000 But one of them might. 1.00

01:12:34.000 Shit. 1.00

01:12:35.000 They're fucking... 1.00

01:12:36.000 They have a lot of pride. 1.00

01:12:37.000 They're the most intense fans ever.

01:12:39.000 And I like it.

01:12:39.000 I enjoy it.

01:12:40.000 I was chanting, you're gonna die along with them.

01:12:42.000 What is the words to that again?

01:12:44.000 I think it's...

01:12:45.000 It's M-A-R-R-A. It's somewhere around there or something like that. 1.00

01:12:51.000 Yeah.

01:12:51.000 And they just, I mean, even in Australia, American fans, you gotta get your act together.

01:12:56.000 You guys are half really knowledgeable but quiet, and the other loud half are douchebags and are just drunk. 0.90

01:13:02.000 But other countries, they might be douchebags, but they're all doing it at once. 0.99

01:13:06.000 They just become one giant entity of energy that's just going fucking crazy. 1.00

01:13:12.000 God, I love that shit, man. 1.00

01:13:13.000 There's nothing like Brazil for that. 1.00

01:13:15.000 Nothing like it.

01:13:16.000 It's a really life-changing experience.

01:13:18.000 First of all, they're there for the first fight an hour early.

01:13:22.000 An hour early, the place is packed to the gills. 1.00

01:13:24.000 They're singing songs and shit. 0.99

01:13:26.000 I'm not joking, right? 0.99

01:13:27.000 Yeah, it's incredible.

01:13:29.000 You can hear it in the back and you're like... 0.99

01:13:30.000 They have fucking passion. 0.99

01:13:32.000 And they're so successful. 0.99

01:13:34.000 If you look at Brazil and the international MMA scene, I mean, fucking across the board from the old days, the very first one, Hoist Gracie, to go over just all these different dudes that are Anderson, Shogun, you know, just all throughout the list,

01:13:50.000 Fabricio Verdun.

01:13:52.000 They're everywhere.

01:13:52.000 Vanderlei, Silva, of course.

01:13:54.000 Jesus Christ, so many jiu-jitsu guys.

01:13:57.000 Aldo, Burrell.

01:13:57.000 So many.

01:13:58.000 So many.

01:13:59.000 There's so many.

01:14:00.000 And they're still coming.

01:14:01.000 They're coming more and more and more.

01:14:03.000 You've seen these guys from whether it's Novo and Yao or all the different teams. 0.99

01:14:08.000 There's a fucking gang of them over there. 0.82

01:14:11.000 Yeah, and when we were down there, I didn't get to see it, but my coach and a few of the guys went into X-Gym to watch sparring. 0.99

01:14:17.000 Oh.

01:14:17.000 And Jeeva, my jiu-jitsu coach, Jeeva the Arm Collector, Santana, he got, you know, he, like the guy didn't, like the guy, they just go super hard and the guy hit him with like a spinning heel kick and hit him in the ribs and just like separated a rib or something or hurt him.

01:14:34.000 And they're like, man, those guys, they're fighting.

01:14:39.000 They're trying to knock each other out.

01:14:40.000 Like, Jean Carre knocked some dude out and woke him up and the guy kept sparring.

01:14:44.000 Oh my god!

01:14:45.000 Of course, if you can survive that, you're going to survive a fight.

01:14:51.000 They're tough.

01:14:52.000 They build a tougher product than I think anywhere else in the world. 0.95

01:14:56.000 Do you think it's just the extreme poverty that's close by, that you're getting a lot of, like, real intense, like, need to get the fuck out of there and elevate your position?

01:15:06.000 And this is an opportunity to become Anderson Silva.

01:15:09.000 Exactly.

01:15:09.000 A baller.

01:15:10.000 To be Elvis, you know?

01:15:12.000 Intercontinental baller.

01:15:13.000 By far.

01:15:14.000 I think they see it and they know that...

01:15:17.000 That's where the humble beginnings they started at.

01:15:19.000 So they see it and it just makes sense.

01:15:21.000 There's a straight path.

01:15:22.000 There's a straight path.

01:15:24.000 You just know where to go.

01:15:26.000 Such a high level of competition there.

01:15:28.000 It's really interesting to see.

01:15:29.000 But you know what?

01:15:29.000 In America you can say the same thing.

01:15:31.000 There's such a high level of competition everywhere in MMA. Oh yeah, there is.

01:15:34.000 It's amazing.

01:15:35.000 It's an amazing time.

01:15:37.000 Where you're seeing high level females... 1.00

01:15:39.000 You know, you're seeing like really high-level MMA fights that are happening in female divisions. 1.00

01:15:45.000 They're going to have to expand female divisions in the UFC. Yeah, we have one of my training partners, a girl at my gym that's the Invicta champ, Carla Esparza. 1.00

01:15:51.000 And I mean, she is vicious. 1.00

01:15:53.000 She's fucking badass. 1.00

01:15:55.000 I see her beat dudes up all the time. 1.00

01:15:57.000 And I mean, she is fucking mean. 0.99

01:16:00.000 Yeah, she's fucking badass. 1.00

01:16:00.000 I mean, like, in the gym, I've had to crack her hard. 1.00

01:16:03.000 And just be like, hey, stop it. 0.80

01:16:07.000 She's trying to kill you? 0.98

01:16:08.000 Yeah, I told you once, I told you twice. 1.00

01:16:10.000 If you do that again, I'm going to drop you. 0.99

01:16:13.000 Do you feel like you're in a John Wayne movie when that shit happens? 1.00

01:16:15.000 Where you gotta smack a bitch and go, hey, listen, I know you've been fucking up some dudes, but you ain't fucking up me. 1.00

01:16:21.000 I'm not trying to fuck you up. 1.00

01:16:24.000 We're trying to go over technique, Carla. 0.99

01:16:25.000 Don't hit me that hard.

01:16:26.000 Pop! 0.98

01:16:26.000 And I hit her back. 0.98

01:16:27.000 She goes, oh, I'm sorry.

01:16:28.000 I'm like, okay.

01:16:28.000 Well, some people get really intense, man.

01:16:30.000 They get really intense.

01:16:31.000 But that's, you know, obviously, it's a style of training.

01:16:35.000 And some people disagree with it.

01:16:36.000 Like, they think that, like, to shoot box it up, you're going to punch a car too many times before you even get into a ring or a cage.

01:16:42.000 Wear headgear.

01:16:43.000 That's what I do.

01:16:44.000 But does that really make an impact?

01:16:46.000 Because they say that headgear, even though you don't get cut as much, it's the impact on the brain.

01:16:53.000 The actual impact doesn't change.

01:16:54.000 It gets cushioned a bit, but it almost rattles you more.

01:16:58.000 That could be true.

01:16:59.000 I don't know.

01:17:01.000 I'm no scientist.

01:17:02.000 I have no idea.

01:17:06.000 It makes me think I'm protected.

01:17:08.000 So I'll wear it.

01:17:10.000 Also, do you Do you practice training with guys that you can trust?

01:17:15.000 Or do you train with anybody?

01:17:17.000 No, we've got a tight-knit team.

01:17:20.000 It's an interesting thing, isn't it, that MMA, over maybe the past decade or so, has really developed a way to professionally approach things. 1.00

01:17:29.000 Whereas there was a lot of variation just 10 years ago in training methods, and a lot of people did a lot of stupid shit. 0.99

01:17:37.000 We bring in wrestlers. 0.99

01:17:38.000 We have the wrestling coaches that bring in wrestlers to work with me. 0.99

01:17:41.000 I have the guys that are on the team.

01:17:42.000 But then I also have guys that are just Muay Thai.

01:17:45.000 You know, like Romy Adonza.

01:17:47.000 He's one of the best U.S. kickboxers of all time.

01:17:50.000 No one knows who he is.

01:17:52.000 He fights at 115 pounds.

01:17:53.000 But he'll sleep at any heavyweight out there.

01:17:56.000 I promise you.

01:17:57.000 He's incredible.

01:17:58.000 What is his name again?

01:17:59.000 Romy Adonza.

01:18:00.000 And is he going to fight MMA or just Muay Thai?

01:18:03.000 No.

01:18:03.000 He's just Muay Thai.

01:18:05.000 He's had a bad string of luck the past couple of fights, but he's just incredible.

01:18:10.000 There's a lot of high-level Muay Thai nowadays, too, right?

01:18:12.000 Yeah, I've got the Muay Thai, the wrestling, the jiu-jitsu, and I work it all separate.

01:18:15.000 All with guys I trust that are my size, and then we can combine the two.

01:18:18.000 And who's the mastermind of your camp?

01:18:19.000 Is it you and Colin?

01:18:21.000 Do you work it out together?

01:18:22.000 It's just Colin.

01:18:23.000 Colin, Jeeva...

01:18:24.000 For the jiu-jitsu.

01:18:26.000 And then Romy for, you know, because he holds pads for me.

01:18:31.000 You know, we'll go, like, literally we'll go like an hour straight holding pads.

01:18:34.000 And then...

01:18:35.000 Romy Aram? 0.92

01:18:36.000 No, Romy Adonzo.

01:18:37.000 Romy Adonzo.

01:18:37.000 Yeah.

01:18:38.000 Romy Aram's over at Millennia.

01:18:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:40.000 That's what I was going to say.

01:18:40.000 And then you have, for wrestling, I have Sheldon Kim.

01:18:43.000 Romy's another old school guy, right?

01:18:44.000 Yeah.

01:18:45.000 Him and Javi Vasquez?

01:18:46.000 Yes.

01:18:46.000 Old school.

01:18:47.000 Super old.

01:18:48.000 I mean, he was... 1.00

01:18:49.000 Bad motherfuckers right there. 1.00

01:18:50.000 He was a black belt at, like, what, 16? 1.00

01:18:52.000 A long-ass time ago, too, and there was no black belts. 0.91

01:18:54.000 Yeah.

01:18:55.000 I mean, he's...

01:18:55.000 Yeah.

01:18:56.000 I never rolled with Javi, but Javi rolled, I saw him roll a couple times at John Jacques in person, watching his jiu-jitsu.

01:19:02.000 Jiu-jitsu is incredible.

01:19:04.000 He talks to you the whole time.

01:19:05.000 He's a constrictor.

01:19:06.000 And just tells you what's gonna happen.

01:19:08.000 Yeah.

01:19:08.000 And like in like a super, sometimes annoying way.

01:19:11.000 He's so good.

01:19:12.000 He'll show you after what he did, but it's like, dude, oh my god, you're so good.

01:19:17.000 It's crazy.

01:19:17.000 Eddie Bravo told me a Javi Vasquez story.

01:19:19.000 The first time he ever went to a tournament, he saw Javi. 0.99

01:19:21.000 He saw this dude running sprints up the stairs, and he was like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:19:26.000 Who the hell's going to have to fight this fucking guy? 1.00

01:19:28.000 And Eddie comes in there with flip-flops on. 1.00

01:19:30.000 He can't even do a sit-up. 0.99

01:19:31.000 And he's watching this fucking dude run sprints upstairs. 0.99

01:19:35.000 I think he lost to Javi twice. 1.00

01:19:38.000 I want to say he almost caught him in a twister once.

01:19:40.000 But him and Javi had some crazy battles.

01:19:43.000 Javi's an elite, elite jiu-jitsu guy.

01:19:46.000 Yeah, they very rarely do.

01:19:48.000 There's black belts and then there's...

01:19:51.000 The super elite.

01:19:52.000 Yeah.

01:19:52.000 Like the Javis or the Jivas or the...

01:19:57.000 You can name off a million different Gracies.

01:20:00.000 Javi's also a guy that he was pretty public about his knee injury.

01:20:06.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:20:06.000 He had a pretty fucking serious knee injury when he lost his title. 0.95

01:20:10.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:20:11.000 And... 0.99

01:20:11.000 What the fuck was it that he fought? 0.99

01:20:14.000 God damn it. 1.00

01:20:15.000 I can see him right in front of me right now. 0.99

01:20:17.000 He fought in the UFC as well, that guy.

01:20:21.000 Sorry, Javi.

01:20:22.000 Javi's listening. 0.99

01:20:22.000 He's like, what the fuck, Joe? 0.99

01:20:23.000 Fuck you guys. 1.00

01:20:24.000 How do you not remember, bitch? 1.00

01:20:25.000 I can't remember. 1.00

01:20:26.000 There's not enough room, alright?

01:20:28.000 There's a thing called...

01:20:29.000 I know Robert fought him.

01:20:31.000 Robert used to be on my team, but I don't know if that wasn't the fight, I don't think.

01:20:34.000 No, no.

01:20:35.000 Robert just stayed out of his guard.

01:20:37.000 Yeah.

01:20:38.000 Robert fought a very smart fight against Emerson.

01:20:41.000 That was another guy who had incredible skill and could have been really good.

01:20:47.000 Alberto Crane.

01:20:47.000 But wasted it.

01:20:48.000 Yeah, he fought Alberto Crane and blew out his ACL and then kept fucking fighting through the rest of the fight. 1.00

01:20:55.000 His shit was gone. 0.99

01:20:56.000 So his leg was buckling every time he tried to move. 1.00

01:20:59.000 Every single time.

01:21:00.000 Mangling the inside of his knee while he did that.

01:21:03.000 And he just really always had problems with it after that.

01:21:06.000 He had so many problems with it.

01:21:08.000 He got mad at me that I brought it up in a telecast once.

01:21:12.000 He talked about it in interviews.

01:21:14.000 I didn't think that I was naming something that people weren't aware of.

01:21:18.000 But I was saying that someone should kick his legs because he's had problems with his knees. 0.99

01:21:22.000 And he was like, that's kind of fucked up. 0.99

01:21:25.000 And I see his point. 1.00

01:21:25.000 It is kind of fucked up. 1.00

01:21:27.000 But it's also... 0.99

01:21:28.000 But it's the truth.

01:21:28.000 Public knowledge.

01:21:29.000 Yeah.

01:21:29.000 It's not like you hide that.

01:21:31.000 And like you told me, don't tell anybody, but I fucked my knee up. 0.97

01:21:34.000 Coaches are already going to have that thought up. 0.98

01:21:35.000 Yeah.

01:21:35.000 And I just...

01:21:36.000 I hate saying shit like that, but it is what you should do. 0.98

01:21:40.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:21:40.000 I mean, it's like if you were fighting in a movie like Game of Thrones and there was like the noble choice. 0.99

01:21:46.000 No, that's not noble to kick a guy's legs if his knees are problematic.

01:21:50.000 But... 0.99

01:21:51.000 With a fucking boa constrictor like that, dude, you gotta take every advantage you can get anyway, right? 0.99

01:21:56.000 Yeah, you gotta just try and put a chink in that armor somewhere so the body doesn't move right if you can just start to hurt something. 1.00

01:22:03.000 Yeah, so he got mad that I brought that up, but it's not that I don't love you, buddy.

01:22:06.000 Yeah.

01:22:07.000 I love you, Javi.

01:22:08.000 I do love that dude.

01:22:09.000 I was bummed out that he was mad at me, but I get it.

01:22:11.000 I understand it.

01:22:12.000 It's one of those weird things where people have been upset at me if I've done commentary on them losing in spectacular fashion that I sort of emphasized it made it suckier than it was.

01:22:23.000 Even had to be.

01:22:24.000 Yeah, but it's kind of your job.

01:22:25.000 I know, but I don't mean to.

01:22:27.000 I know.

01:22:28.000 Everybody thinks it's, you know, or they suspect that it's personal.

01:22:33.000 There's no way.

01:22:34.000 You get excited about doing your job.

01:22:36.000 That's apparent, you know?

01:22:38.000 Yeah, it's a weird job, though, you know?

01:22:40.000 Yeah.

01:22:41.000 It's an especially weird job if you haven't done it.

01:22:44.000 I'm doing commentary on MMA. I never had an MMA fight.

01:22:47.000 I didn't even come close.

01:22:48.000 I wasn't even thinking about it.

01:22:49.000 I almost fought Wesley Snipes, but I was pretty sure he didn't know what he was doing.

01:22:53.000 I thought I was just going to grab him.

01:22:55.000 I felt like, how's that guy going to keep me from grabbing him?

01:22:59.000 What are you going to do?

01:23:00.000 Are you going to be really slick?

01:23:02.000 Yeah.

01:23:02.000 It takes a long time.

01:23:04.000 We have a long time to dance.

01:23:05.000 I'll grab you.

01:23:06.000 I'm going to grab you. 0.82

01:23:07.000 That's all I thought of.

01:23:08.000 I didn't think, like, I'll start fighting MMA, you know? 0.92

01:23:11.000 So to do commentary on a guy like Anderson Silva, like, who the fuck am I to say what he should do? 0.94

01:23:16.000 I have zero credibility. 0.99

01:23:18.000 It's a ridiculous position for me to be in. 1.00

01:23:20.000 Damn you. 1.00

01:23:21.000 You're just like the refs, man. 1.00

01:23:22.000 You have no business being there.

01:23:23.000 It's true.

01:23:24.000 I have no business being there.

01:23:26.000 And not the refs.

01:23:27.000 I said the judges.

01:23:27.000 The refs have them.

01:23:28.000 The refs, actually.

01:23:29.000 For the most part, I mean, there's some mistakes.

01:23:32.000 Like, Mazzagotti takes a lot of heat. 0.98

01:23:33.000 I think it's a fucking tough gig. 0.99

01:23:36.000 That's a tough job, yeah. 0.99

01:23:37.000 It's a tough gig.

01:23:38.000 And I think there's excellent guys, like, in my opinion, right now.

01:23:42.000 Big John McCarthy's always top of the heap.

01:23:44.000 Always.

01:23:45.000 That's the gold standard.

01:23:46.000 And then there's Herb Dean, who I think is right up there.

01:23:48.000 He always has been.

01:23:50.000 Josh Rosenthal.

01:23:51.000 Josh Rosenthal is right up there, man.

01:23:53.000 He's elite, man.

01:23:54.000 I'm really bummed out about his legal situation.

01:23:58.000 I don't want to blow up his spot.

01:24:00.000 I don't need to talk about his legal problems.

01:24:01.000 He's a great guy.

01:24:02.000 I wish that guy luck.

01:24:03.000 He's a good dude. 0.99

01:24:05.000 He just did something that's only illegal because the world's run by cunts. 1.00

01:24:09.000 That's what I'm also answering. 0.96

01:24:11.000 Things you shouldn't have had, like fire.

01:24:13.000 Whatever.

01:24:14.000 Great dude.

01:24:15.000 I love the guy.

01:24:16.000 And he's a great referee, too.

01:24:17.000 You can count on him.

01:24:18.000 There's a few guys.

01:24:19.000 You find out they're going to be the referee.

01:24:21.000 You go, okay, good.

01:24:22.000 This is going to be a good fight.

01:24:23.000 Do you have say over who referees your fights?

01:24:26.000 No, I'm just waiting for the day that Kim Winslow walks in. 0.99

01:24:28.000 I can just raise my hand and go, hey, this is not happening.

01:24:31.000 I'm not...

01:24:32.000 I think Kim does a pretty good job, man.

01:24:34.000 I don't think...

01:24:35.000 I think she has a real hard time with big people, though.

01:24:39.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:24:39.000 You know, like, what was her last fight where there's two fucking... 0.98

01:24:42.000 Oh, it was Gonzaga and Pee Wee Herman. 0.98

01:24:45.000 Yeah.

01:24:46.000 I was like, that is crazy.

01:24:48.000 Yeah.

01:24:48.000 Like, that's dangerous.

01:24:49.000 That is.

01:24:50.000 For her.

01:24:50.000 Yeah.

01:24:50.000 And for the fighters.

01:24:51.000 Yeah.

01:24:52.000 She's like 120 pounds maybe, right? 1.00

01:24:55.000 And Gonzaga is 260, built like a fucking gorilla that someone took in a lab and merged with a human. 0.99

01:25:05.000 I mean, when he gets in front of the camera and goes, makes crazy faces and shit, Gonzaga looks like he's some crazy caveman. 0.99

01:25:13.000 Well, see, it just bothers me because she's made some bad choices and the fact that I don't want to hear a woman's voice in the cage. 1.00

01:25:18.000 Oh, how dare you?

01:25:19.000 Just yapping at me while I'm trying to fight. 0.95

01:25:23.000 Prepare for the feminists to be coming at you full bore, especially feminist MMA fans. 1.00

01:25:28.000 Yeah, that's just me.

01:25:30.000 It's a huge, growing part of the market.

01:25:32.000 The UFC's going to have to apologize for you now.

01:25:35.000 Probably.

01:25:36.000 We're probably both in trouble right now.

01:25:37.000 Let's shut our phones off so Dana can't text us. 1.00

01:25:39.000 Sorry, Dad. 0.99

01:25:41.000 He'll fucking shut the internet down. 0.99

01:25:43.000 He'll call Vegas. 0.99

01:25:45.000 Call Lorenzo.

01:25:46.000 Shut the internet down!

01:25:49.000 Rogan and Ian are going to get us in trouble.

01:25:52.000 It's funny, man.

01:25:54.000 I see how you would want, definitely, if you have that opinion about it, whether it's a woman or a man, if you have an opinion about a referee that you don't think is good, I think that would be important to make sure that's one less thing you have to think about.

01:26:05.000 Do they give you a hard time about that?

01:26:07.000 Is that pretty easy to do?

01:26:09.000 I don't know.

01:26:09.000 I've never had to complain about it.

01:26:11.000 Because I know that's been in dispute in boxing matches.

01:26:14.000 Like, there's certain refs that are slower to break things up and let guys fight out of clinches, you know? 1.00

01:26:19.000 And then there's other refs that don't tolerate none of that shit. 1.00

01:26:22.000 I've never seen it happen in UFC, so I don't know. 0.99

01:26:25.000 That's a good question.

01:26:26.000 I'm sure it's going to happen, or it has happened, and they've taken care of...

01:26:28.000 I'm sure Burt has...

01:26:33.000 It's an interesting situation that a lot of people aren't even aware of. 0.98

01:26:37.000 People go, why does the UFC fix your fucking judging? 0.97

01:26:39.000 They can't do anything. 0.99

01:26:41.000 It's the state athletic commissions that control all the judging.

01:26:44.000 It's getting better, I think, sometimes.

01:26:46.000 Sometimes I think it's getting better.

01:26:48.000 Every now and then a fight comes along and you're like, wait, what?

01:26:52.000 You know, come on, man. 0.99

01:26:54.000 Like, there's some shit you guys are not taking into consideration here. 0.99

01:26:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:26:57.000 You know, there's a few fights where you just go, man, I'm missing something here.

01:27:01.000 I don't get how that was...

01:27:02.000 What did you see that I didn't see or not say?

01:27:04.000 I'm just lost. 0.98

01:27:05.000 I really believe this, and this sounds like stupid bullshit, but I think that they should consider having one extra vote, one extra judge, and that one extra judge should be the internet. 0.99

01:27:19.000 That's what I think. 0.98

01:27:20.000 I think you should allow fans to register and vote and allow them to...

01:27:26.000 Like, you could rate someone who judges the way you rate a Yelp account. 0.99

01:27:30.000 Like, oh, this food tastes like ass. 1.00

01:27:32.000 Like, oh, this guy judges like shit. 1.00

01:27:33.000 And then you get a few red flags if you made some questionable decisions and then you get removed from the queue and you can't judge anymore or you can't judge high-level fights or you have to prove yourself or whatever the fuck you gotta do. 1.00

01:27:45.000 But I think having that as a fourth judging...

01:27:48.000 It's a fourth option.

01:27:50.000 Maybe even coming to it if it's a close disputed decision.

01:27:54.000 Yeah.

01:27:54.000 If it's close, let's go to the internet judge.

01:27:56.000 Let's see what that was.

01:27:57.000 And then, you know, take that into consideration or what.

01:28:00.000 I mean, I don't know how you would factor it in.

01:28:02.000 What would be most valuable?

01:28:04.000 Whether it's the in-person judges or the internet judges.

01:28:06.000 Yeah.

01:28:06.000 Because it's a different experience not being there as well.

01:28:09.000 Maybe give them half a point?

01:28:10.000 Yeah, like, does that make sense that it's a different experience watching it cage-side as it is watching it on television?

01:28:17.000 And it almost wouldn't be fair if they only watched it on television?

01:28:21.000 It's completely different.

01:28:22.000 Yeah.

01:28:22.000 Because there's so much you can't see.

01:28:25.000 Right.

01:28:25.000 I'm sure judges have screens in front of them, don't they?

01:28:27.000 Right.

01:28:27.000 Yeah, and they do have screens if they want to catch angles.

01:28:30.000 They do now.

01:28:31.000 It's something that we complained about for a long fucking time before they finally gave in and started giving them screens.

01:28:37.000 Because there's certain angles where if I'm on one side of the cage and there's a ground fight going on on the exact opposite side of the cage, I can't see what's going on. 0.91

01:28:46.000 If a guy has his back to me and the other guy has...

01:28:48.000 I don't know what he's...

01:28:49.000 I have to see a moderate.

01:28:50.000 It's the only way to see it.

01:28:51.000 So finally judges get to see that because for the longest time, some of the questionable decisions could be...

01:28:57.000 Boiled down to that.

01:28:59.000 You didn't get a good angle to see exactly what was happening the whole time.

01:29:02.000 So in a close 10-9 situation where it could go either way, there's a lot of fights where it could kind of go either way. 0.98

01:29:09.000 After the round was over, you're like, fuck, they have to choose a winner here. 0.83

01:29:15.000 How much do judges go off punch stats? 0.99

01:29:19.000 Do they know them right away?

01:29:20.000 I don't think they know them at all.

01:29:21.000 That's the kind of thing that needs to get figured out.

01:29:23.000 We have them.

01:29:24.000 I know, but I'm saying that they should want that information to judge a fight.

01:29:29.000 I don't think they get it.

01:29:30.000 I'm pretty sure they don't get it.

01:29:32.000 I think that could influence them.

01:29:34.000 Yeah.

01:29:34.000 Yeah, but I think that's why they don't get it.

01:29:36.000 I need to find that out for sure.

01:29:38.000 I should ask Mike Goldberg.

01:29:39.000 I'll text him.

01:29:40.000 That's how strong this is while this is going on.

01:29:42.000 Mike Goldberg will be on that show. 0.99

01:29:44.000 If they don't know the numbers, that's bullshit because they need to see those numbers. 0.98

01:29:49.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:29:50.000 It seems like that would be something just like the monitors that would be a no-brainer.

01:29:56.000 But it's hard, man.

01:29:57.000 It's hard to get change. 0.98

01:29:58.000 Change is fucking hard. 0.98

01:30:01.000 Especially when it's run by a state program. 0.99

01:30:02.000 Yes.

01:30:03.000 And that's what people need to understand.

01:30:04.000 This is not as simple as the UFC needs to implement.

01:30:08.000 No, you're dealing with a whole bureaucracy.

01:30:10.000 You're dealing with people that don't want to lose their jobs.

01:30:13.000 It's really tough to fire people because it's a government gig.

01:30:16.000 It's not the same.

01:30:19.000 There's a lot of people that are judges that I like as human beings.

01:30:22.000 I always say hi to them.

01:30:23.000 They're very nice people.

01:30:25.000 I just don't think they're qualified to do what they're doing.

01:30:28.000 You can look at them and see that.

01:30:30.000 Yeah, there should be some sort of Like, absolute baseline knowledge that you have to have had.

01:30:39.000 You have to have some experience in some sort of combat sport.

01:30:42.000 Exactly.

01:30:43.000 I think that fighters or judges should have been fighters with so many fights.

01:30:48.000 It's a good idea.

01:30:49.000 Or at least hire a stand-up judge, a wrestling judge, and a jiu-jitsu judge.

01:30:57.000 Or, you know, some sort of...

01:30:58.000 And then have a fourth MMA. I don't know.

01:31:00.000 They need to figure out something.

01:31:01.000 Because everyone has to have knowledge...

01:31:04.000 And I think the entire sport instead of just one facet of it.

01:31:07.000 Yeah, I think you're right too. 0.99

01:31:08.000 But man, if you had just jiu-jitsu judges, those motherfuckers would be... 1.00

01:31:11.000 I'd be so biased. 0.99

01:31:12.000 Every fight was like, jiu-jitsu was winning, my friend!

01:31:15.000 He didn't know he can pass his guard.

01:31:19.000 My friend, you know, we disagree.

01:31:22.000 There were so many Brazilians were mad when Haja Gracie got cut. 1.00

01:31:26.000 They're a fucking legend! 0.99

01:31:27.000 He's just so good, man. 1.00

01:31:28.000 There's one more fight for 205, Mr. Dana White.

01:31:33.000 They're so loyal.

01:31:34.000 And a name like Gracie.

01:31:37.000 That's as royalty in mixed martial arts as you get. 1.00

01:31:41.000 Fuck Prince Charles. 1.00

01:31:42.000 That's real royalty. 1.00

01:31:43.000 The Gracie name is royalty.

01:31:44.000 It is.

01:31:45.000 So when Dana cut Haja Gracie, it's like, Jesus!

01:31:49.000 What?

01:31:49.000 How dare you?

01:31:50.000 He's a dude that I don't think should be fighting at 185. I look at Hodger and he's so big.

01:31:54.000 He's so tall. 1.00

01:31:55.000 And it is murder for that motherfucker to make 185. I saw his, like, what he looked like after he'd weighed in. 1.00

01:32:01.000 Like, Jesus.

01:32:02.000 That dude, I mean, that is really hardcore weight cutting that guy's doing.

01:32:07.000 Yeah, he's a big boy. 1.00

01:32:08.000 Fuck yeah he is, man. 1.00

01:32:10.000 Yeah, the weight cutting is his... 1.00

01:32:13.000 Yeah, he's big, dude.

01:32:15.000 When you're around him, you're like, how does that guy weigh 185?

01:32:17.000 How's that even possible?

01:32:19.000 I see a lot of guys like that at every weight.

01:32:21.000 Yeah.

01:32:22.000 That is just like, wow.

01:32:23.000 Yeah, no one better exemplifies it than who?

01:32:29.000 GSP is pretty big.

01:32:30.000 Anthony Rumble Johnson.

01:32:32.000 He barely made 170, but now he's fighting at heavyweight.

01:32:38.000 And he's beating guys like Orlovsky.

01:32:40.000 You missed weight at 70, so they kicked you out of 70. They kicked you out of a weight class, which I knew that was possible.

01:32:46.000 Then, you missed weight at the 15 pounds higher weight class by 12 pounds.

01:32:51.000 So you missed your original weight by 27 pounds. 1.00

01:32:55.000 You're just being an asshole now. 1.00

01:32:57.000 I met him in between fights once. 1.00

01:32:59.000 It was back when he was one of the scariest guys in the welterweight division.

01:33:03.000 He was just coming up.

01:33:04.000 He had knocked out Tommy Burns.

01:33:06.000 Remember that fight?

01:33:08.000 Ruthless fight, man.

01:33:09.000 He was absolutely brutal.

01:33:11.000 Tommy was coming off the ultimate fighter. 1.00

01:33:14.000 There's moments in fighters' careers where they just appear like, oh my god, this is the motherfucker right here. 0.99

01:33:21.000 He was one of them. 0.99

01:33:22.000 That moment...

01:33:23.000 When he burst on the scene and knocked out that Tommy Burns, that was like his coming out party. 0.99

01:33:26.000 I was like, this kid is fucking powerful. 0.98

01:33:29.000 Yeah, that's what it was. 0.99

01:33:30.000 I mean, he went after people and he just physically just crushed people.

01:33:35.000 And he was so big for 170. It didn't even make sense.

01:33:39.000 I met him in between fights.

01:33:40.000 He was at one of the, I think it was in Denver.

01:33:43.000 He came down and he wasn't competing.

01:33:45.000 So he was giant.

01:33:47.000 I go, what do you weigh?

01:33:49.000 And he goes, I'm about 230, 220, 230. How much?

01:33:52.000 What?

01:33:53.000 He was huge! 1.00

01:33:54.000 He was fucking gigantic! 0.99

01:33:56.000 That's a 60 pound weight cut. 0.99

01:33:58.000 And he's built like a heavyweight too.

01:33:59.000 Yeah, he's huge.

01:34:00.000 He didn't look like, man, you shouldn't be fighting heavyweight.

01:34:03.000 It was like, yeah, you can be a heavyweight. 0.98

01:34:05.000 How the fuck did you get 170? 0.98

01:34:07.000 Because he's tall too. 1.00

01:34:08.000 It's not like he's a short, super thick guy.

01:34:11.000 He's just a big man.

01:34:12.000 Yeah, that's just got to be unbelievably bad for your body.

01:34:16.000 It's just got to be unbelievably bad for your body when you have that nutty seesaw, right?

01:34:21.000 Yeah, I honestly probably think it takes a year or two off your life every time you do it.

01:34:25.000 The most I've ever cut was 18.8 in the last 20 hours.

01:34:30.000 It's a different thing for you, though, too, because of the percentage of your body weight, as opposed to a guy like Johnson, who's 50, 60 pounds heavier.

01:34:37.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:34:37.000 I was in Florida.

01:34:39.000 Oh my god.

01:34:39.000 When I fought Demetrius the second time, I cut 18.8 pounds the last 20 hours.

01:34:46.000 I don't even know what I was before that.

01:34:48.000 That one really screwed me up.

01:34:52.000 When you go to a place like Florida, how much time do you spend adjusting to the moisture in the air and the change in the environment?

01:34:59.000 It doesn't really bother me.

01:35:01.000 What about altitude, if you have to fight it like Denver?

01:35:04.000 I've never fought in high altitude before.

01:35:05.000 Wow. 0.99

01:35:06.000 That would be a wild place to watch some fucking flyweights. 1.00

01:35:09.000 Jeez, man. 1.00

01:35:11.000 Because heavyweights in Denver are crazy. 1.00

01:35:14.000 Every time you have a heavyweight fight in Denver, it's like these poor fucking guys just got drugged and pushed into a cage. 1.00

01:35:19.000 You're going to fucking dart your neck, man. 1.00

01:35:21.000 People don't understand, man. 1.00

01:35:22.000 If you've never been to Denver, that shit is up there. 1.00

01:35:25.000 That's a mile-high city legit, and the people that live there have more endurance than you. 0.99

01:35:29.000 If you get used to that, too, that's why those guys train in Albuquerque, everybody goes up to Big Bear. 0.99

01:35:34.000 When you get used to that shit, it makes your body super enriched with oxygen and red blood cells. 0.99

01:35:39.000 You have all this endurance. 1.00

01:35:40.000 My girlfriend outside, she lives in Reno, is always in Tahoe. 1.00

01:35:44.000 Oh, so you're always up there high.

01:35:45.000 She's always up there.

01:35:47.000 She comes out here more.

01:35:48.000 Do you ever go up there to train?

01:35:51.000 No, I'm going to start more because she's up there and I actually genuinely like this one.

01:35:55.000 I would think that for a guy like you, there would be a real benefit in training at a place like Big Bear.

01:36:00.000 Well, I don't make enough money to pay for a camp.

01:36:03.000 I do do CVAC. I don't know if you've ever known what CVAC is.

01:36:07.000 Explain that though.

01:36:08.000 Is it the tent like BJ has?

01:36:13.000 It's an egg.

01:36:15.000 It's an egg you sit in.

01:36:20.000 We're good to go.

01:36:40.000 Within 20 seconds and then shoot back down and then up and they do this rhythmic stuff to it and you do breathing exercises.

01:36:48.000 Why am I only hearing about this for the first time right now?

01:36:52.000 I'm so excited.

01:36:53.000 I was the first real fighter to start doing it and now you've got a lot of guys who are doing it at Newport Beach.

01:37:00.000 What's it called again?

01:37:02.000 Meanwhile, cut to 10 months from now, Joe Rogan caught up in Ascent Newport Beach.

01:37:07.000 The biggest hoax ever. 0.99

01:37:10.000 I got tricked into going into a fucking egg. 1.00

01:37:13.000 Yeah, see, there's... 1.00

01:37:14.000 I got totally hoaxered.

01:37:16.000 And I love it, man.

01:37:18.000 I'm sorry, so how do you say it again?

01:37:19.000 C-V-A-C-K. C-V-A-C-K? Yeah. 0.99

01:37:21.000 No, no, no, VAC. I go to Ascent Newport Beach.

01:37:26.000 I'll do 20-minute sessions.

01:37:27.000 I'll do three of them.

01:37:28.000 I pound out water like this with a good 9.5 pH or whatever while I'm in there.

01:37:34.000 I feel amazing.

01:37:36.000 I do breathing exercises while I'm in there.

01:37:38.000 So I'll hold my breath, and what it does is, when you shoot up in elevation, you're already full of oxygen.

01:37:44.000 And dude, it stretches your lungs like...

01:37:47.000 There's no other way to get this feeling that I've ever felt.

01:37:50.000 It literally stretches your lungs out, and you...

01:37:54.000 And then breathe again.

01:37:55.000 What's the website for it?

01:37:56.000 I'm having a hard time finding it.

01:37:57.000 CVAC what?

01:37:58.000 CVAC Newport Beach.

01:37:59.000 Just Google CVAC or CVAC Ascent.

01:38:02.000 Am I spelling it right?

01:38:04.000 S-C-A-V-A-C? No, it's just Ascent.

01:38:08.000 What's that?

01:38:09.000 Ascent CVAC Newport Beach.

01:38:12.000 But am I spelling it right?

01:38:14.000 S-E-A-V-A-C? Yeah, but C-VAC is just one word.

01:38:17.000 C, the letter C. Oh, C and then VAC? That's it?

01:38:20.000 Oh, okay.

01:38:21.000 Just the letter C-VAC. Okay.

01:38:23.000 C-VAC, Newport Beach.

01:38:25.000 Okay, C-V-A-C. That's what it is. 0.92

01:38:27.000 So it stands for something?

01:38:28.000 What does it stand for?

01:38:29.000 I have no idea.

01:38:30.000 Ascent C-VAC. But yeah, I mean, it's something that...

01:38:34.000 How long has it been around for?

01:38:35.000 It's been around for a while.

01:38:36.000 Powerful five-star review on Yelp.

01:38:38.000 They've just...

01:38:39.000 Yelp's amazing.

01:38:40.000 They've just started to really cater towards athletes where Tito goes.

01:38:43.000 I've been going for a while now.

01:38:46.000 Wow.

01:38:47.000 So what is the process?

01:38:48.000 How does the actual thing change your body?

01:38:51.000 You go in and you sit in the pod, and then as you build up, there's different levels.

01:38:57.000 The fluctuations in the pressure, the temperature, the elevation...

01:39:01.000 You know, the density of the air.

01:39:04.000 It just makes your body just heal faster.

01:39:07.000 You get rid of swelling.

01:39:09.000 I mean, it has a list of stuff.

01:39:11.000 I mean, you read on there what it does.

01:39:14.000 I can't really put my finger on it.

01:39:16.000 It just makes me feel amazing.

01:39:17.000 It makes my cardio go through the roof.

01:39:19.000 Sounds like one of those magnet bracelets, son.

01:39:22.000 Hop on.

01:39:23.000 Check it out.

01:39:23.000 Cycle variations and adaptive conditioning.

01:39:28.000 Okay, that's what they're calling it.

01:39:29.000 Building the New Super Athlete, mensjournal.com.

01:39:32.000 And it's in this.

01:39:33.000 It works for me.

01:39:35.000 I believe you, dude. 1.00

01:39:35.000 I'm only fucking with you. 1.00

01:39:36.000 Come on. 1.00

01:39:37.000 Much respect.

01:39:37.000 I'm just joking.

01:39:38.000 But what they're saying is, it's called The Power of...

01:39:42.000 It's an article that's in Men's Journal magazine.

01:39:45.000 And the article is, Building the New Super Athlete.

01:39:49.000 And the first sentence is the power of the pod.

01:39:52.000 And it says, Heather Hineker owns and runs what could be considered a gym of the future in Newport Beach, California. 0.86

01:39:58.000 The machine does all the work at her ascent facility.

01:40:01.000 The training consists of showing up and settling...

01:40:04.000 We're good to go.

01:40:29.000 I don't know what that is. 0.98

01:40:35.000 Why did you have to be so obscure, crazy person? 0.91

01:40:38.000 You couldn't say Everest? 0.99

01:40:40.000 Heather. 1.00

01:40:40.000 Fuckhead. 1.00

01:40:41.000 Heather. 1.00

01:40:42.000 Keep it together.

01:40:42.000 And jumping off, the 36-year-old Hinkler said that the pod is the only thing that has kept her rumboid arthritis at bay.

01:40:49.000 And then she left her job in finance, sank her life savings into this, and saw her business nearly go under until word started spreading around.

01:40:57.000 The California Jock Grapevine.

01:40:59.000 Dude, welcome to the California Jock Grapevine.

01:41:01.000 You're part of it.

01:41:02.000 Wow.

01:41:02.000 You're in the California Jock Grapevine.

01:41:04.000 I don't know if that's good or not.

01:41:05.000 It's a tricky one, right, when someone calls you a jock?

01:41:07.000 Yeah.

01:41:08.000 She says the majority of her clients are professionals, athletes, and the first thing it says, UFC fighters.

01:41:13.000 And it says Major League Baseball Player and Dirty Comedian.

01:41:17.000 I'm coming.

01:41:18.000 I'll go there. 1.00

01:41:19.000 I want to try that shit. 1.00

01:41:20.000 Come on down. 1.00

01:41:20.000 How many times you go? 1.00

01:41:21.000 A week.

01:41:22.000 Three days a week.

01:41:22.000 It's death to get down there, though.

01:41:24.000 Yeah.

01:41:24.000 Well, and supposedly it cures Meneers, and I kept telling Dana, you got to come try it.

01:41:28.000 You got to come try it.

01:41:29.000 I had vertigo for like six months of my life a while back.

01:41:33.000 Cures Meneers?

01:41:34.000 How does it cure Meneers? 1.00

01:41:35.000 Again, I don't know.

01:41:36.000 I didn't build it.

01:41:37.000 Is it a bracelet with a rubber band and a magnet under it?

01:41:40.000 I told them to just give it a shot.

01:41:42.000 It makes me feel better.

01:41:44.000 Well, it sounds like there's something happening.

01:41:48.000 It sounds like also it's getting a lot of people that are excited about it.

01:41:53.000 Yeah, because now finally people are starting to see it and they're starting to see the results.

01:41:57.000 Although I do have to say, we were talking about Shane Carwin.

01:41:59.000 Much respect to Shane Carwin.

01:42:01.000 Much love to Shane Carwin.

01:42:02.000 Big Shane Carwin fan as a human being and as a fighter. 0.99

01:42:04.000 But that motherfucker was trying to tell me that a rubber band worked for him. 0.99

01:42:07.000 He had a rubber band with a magnet on. 0.99

01:42:09.000 He was telling me that it's really helping my balance. 1.00

01:42:11.000 I'm like, bitch, that shit ain't doing nothing. 1.00

01:42:14.000 That's in your head. 1.00

01:42:15.000 Those guys who have been in Power Balance are from my area.

01:42:21.000 There's a bunch of them now, right?

01:42:23.000 Power Balance, that company at least was done by my house.

01:42:26.000 Did they get in jail?

01:42:26.000 Did they have to go to jail?

01:42:28.000 I don't think so.

01:42:29.000 Did they get away?

01:42:30.000 I mean, I know there was some crazy lawsuits, whether it was them or someone else.

01:42:33.000 I think they just had to give money or they had to stop doing something.

01:42:36.000 I know it went under, but they made a boatload of money while they could.

01:42:39.000 Well, if you sold something that gave you the kind of confidence that made you believe that, I mean, is that a product? 1.00

01:42:47.000 Because if you got all those fucking positive, you know, you look at like those stupid rubber band things, man. 0.99

01:42:52.000 So many people were telling me how great they were. 1.00

01:42:54.000 Oh, I wore them just to wear it so people...

01:42:57.000 So for one, I could try and get a sponsorship out of it.

01:42:59.000 Oh, there you go.

01:42:59.000 That's smart.

01:43:00.000 I thought it was bullshit, but if it did actually help because everybody else had them on, I was wearing it. 0.97

01:43:05.000 You know, the only reason why I was willing to believe... 1.00

01:43:07.000 Look, I've been willing to believe a lot of dumb shit in my life. 1.00

01:43:10.000 Psychics and fucking tarot card readers. 1.00

01:43:13.000 I've been willing to believe a lot of stupid shit. 1.00

01:43:15.000 But the reason why I didn't believe in this one when it got down to it was that the dude who was trying to demonstrate it on me was trying to do carnival tricks. 1.00

01:43:24.000 Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

01:43:25.000 He was like, put your arm out like this.

01:43:26.000 Now resist.

01:43:27.000 Okay, now I'm gonna put the bracelet on now and put your arm out like this and resist.

01:43:31.000 I'm like, that's not the same position.

01:43:33.000 Like, we were up here.

01:43:34.000 Let's go bring my arm back to here.

01:43:35.000 Okay, we're back here again.

01:43:37.000 Go ahead.

01:43:37.000 No, you weren't there before.

01:43:38.000 Yes, I was.

01:43:39.000 Like, what are you doing?

01:43:40.000 Like, you guys are playing carnival.

01:43:41.000 They were doing leverage tricks.

01:43:43.000 Exactly.

01:43:43.000 Like, trying to, like, get me to pick him up with my hand.

01:43:46.000 I'm like, what are we doing?

01:43:47.000 What are you doing?

01:43:48.000 You're holding your hand next to your waist to try to prove strength. 1.00

01:43:51.000 There's one way to prove strength, stupid. 1.00

01:43:52.000 Put some weights on a stack and let's see if I can lift the same amount or less or more or whatever. 1.00

01:43:57.000 That's the only way.

01:43:58.000 You can't do a carnival trick.

01:44:00.000 So I go, what are you guys doing?

01:44:01.000 Who taught you how to do this?

01:44:03.000 I go, do they teach you?

01:44:05.000 And then they got real weird with me.

01:44:06.000 I was like, come on, man.

01:44:08.000 You're trying to make some money.

01:44:09.000 I've seen people trying to make some money before, but do they teach you how to do this?

01:44:12.000 I'm like, this is the second person that I've ever met that has these wristbands for sale that wants to thumb wrestle.

01:44:18.000 They want to get you in some weird mercy position.

01:44:22.000 Exactly.

01:44:22.000 Okay, well try and lift me up now.

01:44:24.000 Yeah.

01:44:25.000 What? 0.98

01:44:26.000 It was ridiculous. 0.97

01:44:28.000 Yeah, and the guy wasn't even that good at it. 0.95

01:44:30.000 I resisted it.

01:44:31.000 I'm like, come on, man.

01:44:32.000 You're not even doing it right.

01:44:34.000 At least do it right if you're going to try and sell me the scrap.

01:44:37.000 It's one of those things where people want to believe that there's a rubber band that you could put on that makes you feel better. 1.00

01:44:43.000 Like, slap that bitch on! 1.00

01:44:46.000 I'm going to be ripped and good-looking and talented now. 1.00

01:44:48.000 This rubber band is straightening my chakras.

01:44:51.000 My chakras are out of line.

01:44:52.000 I didn't know what it was.

01:44:53.000 I was taking yoga.

01:44:53.000 It was really a waste of time.

01:44:54.000 I just needed a rubber band with a little hologram.

01:44:57.000 In the middle of it.

01:44:58.000 Put me back in center, in tune.

01:45:01.000 So how long have you been doing this three times a week thing in the CVAC pod?

01:45:04.000 Oh man, since before I got in UFC. By the way, this is not sponsored by CVAC. Right now people are going, oh, I see product placement.

01:45:13.000 You worked your friends.

01:45:13.000 No, this is spontaneous.

01:45:15.000 I'm going to bring Joe down to try it out.

01:45:17.000 I'd love to, except I can't get down there without a helicopter.

01:45:19.000 Yeah, because it takes forever.

01:45:22.000 I'll just quit.

01:45:23.000 I'll just pull over the side road and go to sleep.

01:45:25.000 Driving down to Newport Beach, people don't know.

01:45:28.000 It's a joke. 0.99

01:45:28.000 Yeah, it sucks. 0.99

01:45:30.000 I went down to Affliction back when Tom was working there. 0.97

01:45:35.000 I went to visit him.

01:45:37.000 I said, yeah, man, I'll come visit you.

01:45:38.000 Come hang out.

01:45:38.000 It took two hours!

01:45:40.000 Two hours!

01:45:42.000 That's not even Orange County.

01:45:44.000 Seal Beach is still...

01:45:47.000 L.A. County, I think.

01:45:48.000 40-minute drive!

01:45:49.000 I mean, it should have been a 40-minute drive at most. 0.92

01:45:51.000 And I was like, this is just ridiculous. 0.76

01:45:53.000 And they do that every day. 0.89

01:45:55.000 And it wasn't even like, it was an off time.

01:45:56.000 It was like 3 in the afternoon or 2 in the afternoon.

01:45:58.000 It wasn't even like 5. My dad drove from my family dealership in downtown L.A. next to Staples Center, the Toyota dealership.

01:46:04.000 It's my family's.

01:46:05.000 He would drive from there down to Laguna Niguel and then to San Clemente after we moved to San Clemente on the beach. 0.75

01:46:13.000 For 30 years or some really fucking long time.

01:46:17.000 How old were you when you moved? 0.97

01:46:18.000 You lived on the beach?

01:46:19.000 Like right on the beach?

01:46:20.000 Yeah.

01:46:21.000 Like I walk out my balcony and I could, you know, it could be two in the morning.

01:46:25.000 I could grab a group of people and run and jump in the water naked and run back in the house without getting caught.

01:46:30.000 Wow.

01:46:31.000 How old were you then, when you guys moved to the beach?

01:46:33.000 We moved there when I was 16 or 17, I believe.

01:46:37.000 Did you find, in any way, that that had a change in your demeanor at all, like being by the water?

01:46:44.000 No, because I already had lived in the Gunna Naga, like a couple miles from the beach.

01:46:48.000 I was at the beach.

01:46:49.000 That's where our whole little fight crew came from, was Salt Creek Beach, and Dana Point was, that was our beach.

01:46:55.000 Like, what are you doing at our beach?

01:46:56.000 Like, beat it. 0.51

01:46:57.000 You know, beat it, kook. 1.00

01:46:57.000 Like, we had a bunch of pro surfer friends and bodyboarder friends, and And you would just bully people and kick them off the beach? 1.00

01:47:02.000 And throw water balloons, you know?

01:47:03.000 Do you feel bad about it now?

01:47:05.000 Not really.

01:47:06.000 It was kind of fun.

01:47:08.000 You're supposed to say yes.

01:47:09.000 It was our beach, though.

01:47:10.000 It was different.

01:47:11.000 Well, that's so douchey, though.

01:47:12.000 People just want to use the ocean, man. 1.00

01:47:13.000 The fuck? 1.00

01:47:14.000 That was our beach. 1.00

01:47:14.000 It's no big deal. 1.00

01:47:15.000 We were such douchebags.

01:47:17.000 What I mean is, is there a difference in being by the water all the time and living at the water?

01:47:21.000 Yes.

01:47:22.000 I've always wondered.

01:47:24.000 For me, there is.

01:47:25.000 I have a friend who has a beach house, and it costs like $4 million, and it looks like it should be like $50 million. 0.98

01:47:30.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.88

01:47:32.000 I was like, this is not a $4 million house, man, and you're right next door to the neighbor. 1.00

01:47:35.000 This is the nuttiest thing ever. 0.99

01:47:37.000 How the fuck did somebody get you to pay $4 million for this? 0.99

01:47:39.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:47:40.000 You could have like a castle in Colorado.

01:47:42.000 Yes, exactly.

01:47:43.000 Yeah, you could have a hundred acres with elk wandering through your yard.

01:47:47.000 Instead, you're just jammed up on your neighbor.

01:47:49.000 And he was like, it doesn't matter.

01:47:51.000 When you get up and you see the ocean, you look out, you wind, you see the ocean.

01:47:54.000 He goes, I'm on vacation every day of my life.

01:47:57.000 Yeah.

01:47:57.000 He goes, I look out there, I hear that water, and it just chills me out.

01:48:00.000 Yeah, for sleep, the water.

01:48:02.000 I mean, my dad's a waterman.

01:48:03.000 His whole life has revolved around, you know, surfing and fishing and traveling.

01:48:06.000 That's like his passions, you know.

01:48:09.000 The man, fish fear my dad.

01:48:12.000 He's spearfishing, any sort of fishing. 1.00

01:48:16.000 Spearfishing is some wild shit, man. 0.99

01:48:19.000 My friend Aubrey, the CEO of Onnit, just got back from doing some spearfishing. 0.99

01:48:23.000 So fun.

01:48:23.000 And he was saying, it's like hunting underwater while you hold your breath.

01:48:26.000 It's such a different thing.

01:48:28.000 Yeah, and there's a lot more creatures that want to eat you.

01:48:31.000 You know, sharks come swimming up next to you, but like, you know, like living on the beach at, as a senior in high school, you know, he was never home.

01:48:38.000 My parents had gotten divorced at that point.

01:48:40.000 I had his brand new car to drive, brand new Porsche to drive around.

01:48:43.000 Oh my God.

01:48:44.000 He let you drive a Porsche when you were in high school?

01:48:47.000 No, no, no.

01:48:47.000 I would, I just drove it.

01:48:48.000 Do you know how many people right now I just know.

01:48:50.000 He didn't know.

01:48:51.000 He found out I was driving it. 1.00

01:48:52.000 You're like an evil character in a fucking teeny bopper movie. 1.00

01:48:57.000 I was a horrible kid. 1.00

01:48:58.000 I mean, think about it.

01:48:59.000 If there was like a 16 Candles type movie, you would be like the ultimate bad character.

01:49:05.000 But then, you know what?

01:49:06.000 There'd probably be a girl in the movie, and you'd fall in love with her, and you would change for her.

01:49:10.000 So that's what's happening right now.

01:49:11.000 Okay, nice.

01:49:12.000 Yeah, that's what it would be like.

01:49:13.000 If that... 1.00

01:49:15.000 Just think about you driving your dad's Porsche around, living in the fucking beach and shit, and kicking guys' asses. 1.00

01:49:21.000 Like, what a dick. 1.00

01:49:21.000 Yeah, constantly. 1.00

01:49:22.000 What a dick. 1.00

01:49:23.000 My dad would bring, he would go kill fish, you know, big tuna or whatever out of Mexico, and come back with whole fish. 1.00

01:49:29.000 Whole tuna.

01:49:29.000 And just literally, we would eat, you don't get any fresher than that.

01:49:32.000 I mean, he's cutting up, he's gutting it and then giving you sushi out.

01:49:36.000 It's amazing.

01:49:36.000 I've never done any tuna fishing, but my friend Tommy did, and he said they ate tuna sashimi on the boat.

01:49:42.000 He said it's the most ridiculous thing.

01:49:43.000 You can't even believe how good it tastes. 0.99

01:49:45.000 It's a whole different world. 0.99

01:49:47.000 And, I mean, tuna, it's a fucking torpedo muscle. 0.98

01:49:51.000 I mean, that's the best fighting fish in the ocean. 0.99

01:49:54.000 Yeah.

01:49:54.000 You know, tuna, albacore, like that, those jacks, you know, maybe like a yellowtail, but tuna's the best.

01:50:00.000 But, um...

01:50:01.000 And they're also the best eating, I think.

01:50:03.000 I mean, Gerardo's fun, they're pretty, but, you know, or Sailfish, you know, they're fun, pretty, but, I mean, tuna's...

01:50:08.000 It's unbelievably delicious.

01:50:10.000 Yeah.

01:50:10.000 Especially, it's so delicious that it's preferred raw.

01:50:13.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:50:14.000 I mean, tuna's preferred raw more than anything.

01:50:16.000 The Japanese have paid over a million dollars for one fish.

01:50:18.000 That's so crazy!

01:50:21.000 I love sushi.

01:50:22.000 How's that possible?

01:50:23.000 How's that possible?

01:50:24.000 You sure that's true?

01:50:25.000 Did you make that up? 1.00

01:50:25.000 No, you can Google that shit. 1.00

01:50:27.000 You can Googleize it. 1.00

01:50:28.000 Listen, this is at least 50 people listening to this.

01:50:30.000 I have to be really careful about telling the truth.

01:50:32.000 Alright, largest amount paid for a tuna.

01:50:35.000 Yeah.

01:50:35.000 But they regularly get like $30,000, $40,000 for a tuna to catch, right?

01:50:39.000 Oh, all the time.

01:50:39.000 If you go out of Nova Scotia, from what my dad has told me, you go out of Nova Scotia on a trip and everyone pays for a couple day trip.

01:50:46.000 Oh my god, you were wrong!

01:50:47.000 You ready for this?

01:50:49.000 1.8 million! 1.00

01:50:51.000 Oh, well, fuck me running. 1.00

01:50:52.000 That's insane! 1.00

01:50:54.000 That's for a fish. 0.97

01:50:54.000 What did it weigh? 0.97

01:50:56.000 Depleted bluefin tuna sold for 1.8 million dollars.

01:51:00.000 Wait a minute, what does that mean?

01:51:01.000 That just means that they're trying to get them endangered because they're...

01:51:03.000 500 pound.

01:51:05.000 A moderate sized 500 pound bluefin tuna sold for an unimaginable price of nearly 1.8 million US dollars.

01:51:13.000 A new record at a Tokyo fish auction.

01:51:17.000 Yep.

01:51:19.000 Okay, so that must be because the supply is way down.

01:51:24.000 Yeah, it's because we need to stop.

01:51:26.000 I mean, as much as I love bluefin tuna, we need to farm it and we need to let it rebuild if we ever want to fish it again.

01:51:34.000 Okay, but hold on, there's some fuckery here. 1.00

01:51:36.000 It's saying supposedly the high prices paid at the annual New Year's tuna auction in Tokyo are a way to celebrate, more likely is about publicity, and do not reflect actual market price.

01:51:50.000 Nevertheless, the continued increasing price buyers are paying for bluefin tuna mirrors its increasing rarity.

01:51:55.000 Okay, so this is a really unusual circumstance for this. 0.98

01:52:00.000 It's probably fuckery. 0.98

01:52:01.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:52:01.000 They probably did that just so people are paying attention. 0.98

01:52:04.000 Yeah, there could be some crazy Yakuza shit going on. 0.99

01:52:06.000 The old price was pretty high anyway, though. 0.98

01:52:08.000 The old record was $740,000.

01:52:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:52:11.000 Holy fucking shit. 1.00

01:52:13.000 And that wasn't even supposedly fucked with. 1.00

01:52:15.000 That's supposedly a real record. 0.73

01:52:17.000 What's the biggest those things get?

01:52:19.000 It's got to be a thousand pounds, I think.

01:52:21.000 It's got to be.

01:52:21.000 Okay, let's find out.

01:52:22.000 World record tuna.

01:52:23.000 I'm scared now.

01:52:24.000 I'm thinking of catching it.

01:52:25.000 Could you imagine?

01:52:26.000 There's us! 1.00

01:52:27.000 You're in for a fucking fight, son! 1.00

01:52:29.000 Yeah, I think it's going to rip your arms off. 1.00

01:52:30.000 I mean, that is a thousand pound ball or whatever, but however many pounds it is, a ball of muscle that just wants to eat and...

01:52:38.000 I mean, those things could eat us.

01:52:40.000 The biggest fish I ever caught was a marlin.

01:52:42.000 How much?

01:52:42.000 And it was not that big.

01:52:44.000 It was only about 70 pounds.

01:52:45.000 But it was...

01:52:47.000 My oldest daughter was a vegetarian for a little bit. 0.99

01:52:50.000 She was trying to be a vegetarian.

01:52:51.000 And I was...

01:52:52.000 You know, she's just a kind person.

01:52:54.000 Yeah.

01:52:54.000 And at the time, I think she's probably 12. Makes sense.

01:52:58.000 Yeah, about 12. And I say, you know what?

01:53:01.000 Let's go fishing.

01:53:02.000 I said, we'll catch a fish, we'll cook it, we'll eat it, and we'll understand sort of the cycle of life.

01:53:07.000 Because, you know, we buy things in the supermarket, and we're very disconnected from it.

01:53:11.000 But you have to understand, like, these animals, they eat each other.

01:53:13.000 And this is like, it's a natural way for people to acquire food.

01:53:16.000 And it's the way people have done it throughout history.

01:53:18.000 She tried to be like this really kind person.

01:53:20.000 So it was a moral reason.

01:53:22.000 Like, she didn't want to hurt animals.

01:53:22.000 Yeah, of course.

01:53:23.000 She loves animals.

01:53:24.000 So anyway, we're fishing.

01:53:25.000 We're fishing for maybe 15 minutes.

01:53:29.000 And I hook a marlin.

01:53:31.000 Maybe 15 minutes.

01:53:32.000 That's unheard of.

01:53:33.000 People fish for years and they never catch a marlin. 0.99

01:53:35.000 It's total stupid luck because we're trolling. 0.98

01:53:38.000 It's not like no skill whatsoever. 0.99

01:53:40.000 It just happened to hit my line.

01:53:42.000 So...

01:53:43.000 We get this, Marlin, it's jumping through the air.

01:53:45.000 It's wild, man.

01:53:46.000 It's really cool.

01:53:46.000 It's not that big.

01:53:47.000 It's only like 70 pounds.

01:53:49.000 You know, maybe, yeah, maybe, I don't know how many feet long, but it's about, the guy said it was about 70 pounds.

01:53:54.000 They get hundreds, over a thousand, I think. 1.00

01:53:58.000 Well, this fucking thing, they pull it, they gaff it, they bring it in the boat, and then they beat the fucking shit. 1.00

01:54:04.000 Get the shit out of it with a club. 1.00

01:54:07.000 The way it works, we're in Hawaii. 0.98

01:54:09.000 In Hawaii, the owners of the boat, they own the fish. 0.93

01:54:13.000 If you catch fish, they'll take you and you'll enjoy it, but it's also their livelihood.

01:54:17.000 It's how they make a living.

01:54:19.000 It's a different situation than a lot of charters.

01:54:22.000 They want you to have a good time, but we know you're in a resort, and this is our livelihood.

01:54:26.000 We would like the food, too.

01:54:27.000 Is that cool?

01:54:28.000 And everybody's like, yeah, it's cool.

01:54:29.000 Because otherwise, like, sometimes the food would go to waste, and that's terrible.

01:54:32.000 And I think they recognized that really early, and they put the kibosh on it, and they said, look, people are just trying to have some fun.

01:54:38.000 Let's have them have some fun, catch some fish, but we'll eat the fish. 0.94

01:54:41.000 So they were going to take it, and apparently they bring it to a luau, and they smoke the marlin.

01:54:46.000 Poor little 12-year-old is just sitting there while this marlin gets clubbed. 0.82

01:54:51.000 And it's a big animal.

01:54:54.000 I mean, it's in a boat with us, and it's a fairly big boat.

01:54:56.000 A big, beautiful animal that, once you kill it, the color goes away.

01:54:58.000 Yeah, and it's the size of a dog.

01:55:01.000 It's like a golden retriever size.

01:55:04.000 They're beating it with clubs, and it's real, man. 1.00

01:55:07.000 It's real shit. 1.00

01:55:07.000 And when you're a 12-year-old girl wanting to be a vegetarian, that's a fucked-up thing to say. 1.00

01:55:12.000 It didn't die right away either, man. 0.99

01:55:14.000 It was flopping around.

01:55:15.000 They had ice on it.

01:55:16.000 It was fine.

01:55:17.000 It wasn't moving at all.

01:55:18.000 And then I saw it out of nowhere.

01:55:19.000 It was...

01:55:24.000 Devastating.

01:55:24.000 And we didn't catch another fucking thing for the rest of the trip.

01:55:27.000 We caught this one marlin, and then the rest of the day was just looking down at this murder victim who's in the boat with us. 0.99

01:55:32.000 Yeah, just sitting there dead.

01:55:34.000 And then afterwards, taking photos together, this really weird look on her face. 1.00

01:55:40.000 Like, that's this fucking murder victim that we just clubbed to death. 0.99

01:55:43.000 We didn't club to death, but we aided and abetted. 1.00

01:55:46.000 Yeah.

01:55:47.000 We tricked it into the boat.

01:55:48.000 Yeah.

01:55:49.000 But they're, uh, apparently you can eat marlin.

01:55:51.000 Like, I didn't know.

01:55:52.000 I didn't know you can't eat them, but apparently you can.

01:55:54.000 What is the size of that one?

01:55:56.000 920 pound tuna caught last week.

01:55:58.000 Oh my god!

01:55:59.000 Look at that thing! 0.99

01:56:01.000 Oh, I hope my dad's watching this. 1.00

01:56:02.000 What a fuck! 1.00

01:56:03.000 And they have to attach it to a fucking crane, ladies and gentlemen. 1.00

01:56:07.000 To get it out of the water, they hook it up to a crane. 1.00

01:56:11.000 I love killing fish, man.

01:56:13.000 Killing fish is a good time. 1.00

01:56:14.000 Well, if you grew up near the ocean, look at the size of this fucking thing! 1.00

01:56:19.000 Oh my god! 1.00

01:56:21.000 That's a tuna.

01:56:22.000 That's incredible.

01:56:23.000 What a big animal.

01:56:25.000 Jesus.

01:56:26.000 I mean, think of the speed.

01:56:28.000 Those things get so big they die off because they can't get enough food.

01:56:32.000 That's incredible.

01:56:33.000 They just eat and eat and eat.

01:56:34.000 That's their whole life is spent hunting.

01:56:36.000 I mean, they are, like, you know, vicious.

01:56:40.000 What is the biggest one ever?

01:56:42.000 I have no idea.

01:56:44.000 We've got to find out now.

01:56:46.000 Biggest tuna ever caught.

01:56:47.000 It's got to be...

01:56:48.000 That one was, what, 900 and what?

01:56:50.000 It's got to be maybe 1,200, 1,300 pounds, I would think.

01:56:54.000 Let's see.

01:56:55.000 World record tuna weight.

01:56:57.000 They're so cool looking, too, man.

01:56:59.000 Can you imagine if there was, like, tuna that had four legs and would run down a field looking like that, glistening and blue, running like a bullet? 0.99

01:57:08.000 Fucking up every other animal on its path, a pack hunting, just eating lions and shit? 0.99

01:57:12.000 Could you imagine if a fucking tuna could run on ground as fast as it could swim? 1.00

01:57:19.000 That's frightening. 1.00

01:57:19.000 I always think of weird shit like that. 1.00

01:57:23.000 What if parrots were the size and they walked on all fours like dogs? 0.99

01:57:28.000 I'm afraid of birds in general because they always hate me.

01:57:30.000 You should be afraid of birds. 0.99

01:57:31.000 Birds are cunts. 0.99

01:57:33.000 They're evil, man. 1.00

01:57:35.000 They're vicious killers. 1.00

01:57:37.000 Yeah, they fucking are, man. 1.00

01:57:39.000 They're creepy. 1.00

01:57:40.000 They're creepy animals. 1.00

01:57:42.000 They don't really give a fuck about anything. 0.99

01:57:45.000 I mean, they're in a real survival of the fittest gene pool situation. 0.98

01:57:51.000 We're just lucky that they're not that big.

01:57:55.000 Imagine if birds were like the size of giraffes.

01:57:57.000 If eagles were like the size of giraffes, they would be eating people all day.

01:58:00.000 There's nothing we could do to stop them. 1.00

01:58:02.000 We'd have to kill them all. 1.00

01:58:03.000 And it sounds like a ridiculous thing to say. 1.00

01:58:06.000 Imagine the world of tuna could run. 0.59

01:58:08.000 Imagine the world of eagles the size of giraffes. 1.00

01:58:10.000 Well, guess what, asshole? 1.00

01:58:11.000 A giraffe's the size of a giraffe. 1.00

01:58:13.000 Okay?

01:58:14.000 There are animals that are that big.

01:58:15.000 We're just lucky they don't eat people.

01:58:17.000 Exactly.

01:58:17.000 We're lucky they're not against us.

01:58:19.000 We probably would have never got to this place if they did.

01:58:22.000 I don't know.

01:58:23.000 We're kind of tricky.

01:58:24.000 We've seemed to con our way this far.

01:58:26.000 I really don't think it would have happened.

01:58:28.000 I think we came along like we're like boxes that became heavyweights after Mike Tyson lost his prime.

01:58:35.000 We're like finding a gap.

01:58:37.000 We're like falling into this like relaxed period.

01:58:40.000 Just tiptoed our way through evolution.

01:58:42.000 It was way easier to survive after those dinosaurs got hit by that rock.

01:58:47.000 After Buster Douglas came along and he threw in Tyson, the world got a little safer, you know, back in those days.

01:58:53.000 I cried myself to sleep when that happened.

01:58:54.000 It was a weird thing to see because I watched it after the fact.

01:58:58.000 I didn't see the fight live.

01:58:59.000 I had heard what happened, and I still didn't believe it happened.

01:59:01.000 I was watching it.

01:59:02.000 I was like, he's going to get up. 1.00

01:59:03.000 He's going to kick his ass. 1.00

01:59:04.000 That's Mike Tyson. 1.00

01:59:05.000 Me and my brother both literally cried.

01:59:06.000 I turned around.

01:59:07.000 I cried, bawling to our parents.

01:59:09.000 Like, why?

01:59:11.000 Why did that happen?

01:59:13.000 I can remember the last time I got emotionally attached to a fight and I was devastated when a fighter lost.

01:59:18.000 It was Mike McCallum when he knocked out Donald Curry.

01:59:22.000 I was a big Donald Curry fan.

01:59:23.000 Donald Curry was the welterweight champion at the time.

01:59:26.000 I think they went up to 154. Donald Curry ruined his career because he kept cutting weight down to 147. He couldn't do it anymore.

01:59:33.000 He couldn't do it anymore.

01:59:35.000 He had...

01:59:36.000 Those fights with...

01:59:38.000 Not McCown, but who was the other...

01:59:40.000 There was another really strong welterweight, a cronk fighter from that era.

01:59:43.000 And he knocked that dude out.

01:59:45.000 And Donald Curry emerged as the top pound-for-pound guy.

01:59:49.000 But then he fought Lloyd Huntington.

01:59:50.000 And he was just too dehydrated. 0.98

01:59:52.000 He couldn't fucking do it anymore. 0.97

01:59:53.000 He just wasn't the same guy. 0.98

01:59:54.000 And everybody's like, that's the top pound-for-pound fighter?

01:59:56.000 And that one beating to Lloyd Huntington, he never was the same again.

02:00:00.000 He went up to 154. And then he didn't have the physical advantages that he had at 47. And...

02:00:06.000 When you see the UFC and you see that, especially in higher weight classes, there's big gaps in between the weight classes.

02:00:14.000 What would you like it?

02:00:16.000 If someone could allow you to create the optimum weight divisions, what do you think it would be?

02:00:24.000 I mean...

02:00:27.000 See, you just don't want too many, you know?

02:00:29.000 But I think there would be...

02:00:30.000 We would really figure out who is pound for pound the best, you know?

02:00:35.000 But at the same time, maybe 10 pounds?

02:00:37.000 Because boxing, there's so many champions, it just gets diluted.

02:00:40.000 And boxing as a sport in general is...

02:00:42.000 Well, boxing has a bunch of different sanctioning bodies, too.

02:00:44.000 That's where it gets really weird.

02:00:45.000 It's almost weirder there because of that than it is because of the amount of weight classes.

02:00:50.000 Yeah, it's all of it. 0.99

02:00:53.000 It's just all of a clusterfuck, you know? 0.92

02:00:55.000 Yeah, people don't realize how many weight classes there are in boxing, but it's crazy. 0.91

02:00:58.000 They start at like 106, right?

02:01:00.000 I think so.

02:01:01.000 What's like light flyweight?

02:01:02.000 It's got to be something.

02:01:03.000 They start at like really light, and they go all the way up to 195, and then heavyweight, and that's the deviation.

02:01:09.000 Like the UFC, the only gap they have that's more interesting is the 205 to 265. Yeah, that's where they need to put at least, I think, a weight class.

02:01:18.000 Yeah.

02:01:18.000 A 240 or something.

02:01:19.000 And I think also in between 85 and 205 would be good.

02:01:22.000 I think so, yeah.

02:01:23.000 I could see that because, you know, just make it every 10 pounds.

02:01:25.000 I think so, too.

02:01:26.000 That would work.

02:01:27.000 I think so, too.

02:01:28.000 And I think that a big example of that is between 55 and 170. Especially as you get low in percentage of body weight, those jumps between that one and the 185 to light heavy weight, those are big jumps, man.

02:01:40.000 Yeah, 15 pounds is a lot of person.

02:01:43.000 Yeah.

02:01:44.000 And it's also, you're seeing these guys who are making these cuts to get to 205. Say a guy like John Jones, he's coming down from like 225, 230. Yeah.

02:01:53.000 Like, big as shit at 205. And if you're, like, kind of, like, don't want to cut weight, but you're really a 185-er, and you see him, you go, oh, God, no, I gotta lose the weight now. 0.99

02:02:06.000 Like, you gotta be realistic about this.

02:02:08.000 Yeah, and especially because the way the sports have evolved, people get stuck in certain weight classes because they're good for that weight class.

02:02:15.000 And then they try and cut weight, or they try and gain weight, and then they end up not having the advantages, you know, that they had before.

02:02:22.000 Mm-hmm.

02:02:23.000 And they don't work on it or they don't have it at all.

02:02:25.000 They just can't get it.

02:02:26.000 So then they end up getting beat up by someone smaller or something like that.

02:02:29.000 What is it like to be a part of this sport right now for you as a top-level professional fighter?

02:02:35.000 Because it's a really interesting time as far as the sport.

02:02:40.000 It's evolved to this point.

02:02:41.000 Where there's clearly the best athletes that have ever been involved in MMA or involved in MMA now.

02:02:49.000 And the level of fighting and competition is as high as it's ever been before now.

02:02:53.000 Oh, by far.

02:02:53.000 But you've had a chance to see it from the outside for a long-ass time.

02:02:57.000 What is it like for you now?

02:02:59.000 You know, the evolution of the people, of the fighters...

02:03:04.000 I think as a country, I think we're getting pussified.

02:03:08.000 You know, kids aren't allowed to get in fistfights. 1.00

02:03:09.000 I think it's a rite of passage for young men to get in fistfights, you know, and not jump each other.

02:03:13.000 I'm talking no weapons.

02:03:14.000 Just, you know, just duke it out and deal with your problems.

02:03:16.000 Some people don't want to do that, though, and they don't want to be harassed by people who want to beat people up.

02:03:20.000 Well, if they don't want to, they shouldn't have to.

02:03:22.000 Right, but how do you stop that, though?

02:03:24.000 Exactly.

02:03:25.000 I don't know.

02:03:26.000 But I'm just saying, we're building better athletes in the gym, but we have to now, which I get as a good thing, if we want to build a tough kid, if we want to make him tough, we'll build him in the gym.

02:03:39.000 Right. 0.96

02:03:39.000 And maybe that is a good thing, because not only is he going to be tough, but he's not going to be a dick like I used to be. 0.96

02:03:45.000 Right, yeah. 0.97

02:03:45.000 Because, like I said, I started out beating up bullies, and then I ended up just being a bully. 0.97

02:03:50.000 Mm-hmm.

02:03:51.000 I'm glad you're really honest about that, man.

02:03:53.000 I think it's really important because I think, you know, there's a lot of kids out there that are fighting that watch a guy like you and look up to you and when maybe they might be on a similar path and they hear that and they can learn from your mistakes.

02:04:04.000 Yeah, I've made just about every mistake there is, you know, whether it's that or dying of drugs, you know, drug overdose or whatever, or Whatever.

02:04:12.000 I've done a lot of things.

02:04:14.000 There's so many things that I feel like I can share.

02:04:18.000 If I can help one person change, that'll work.

02:04:22.000 Obviously, I'd like to help as many as possible.

02:04:26.000 Especially the people that are closest to me.

02:04:29.000 We've got some amateur guys that I'm trying to turn into super athletes.

02:04:32.000 They already are, but just get them focused and ready and not make any mistakes.

02:04:36.000 It's very difficult for a fighter to transition from being a fighter to Yeah.

02:05:05.000 The thing that I always try to stress with people is that one of the best things about martial arts is the development of the ability to do something good.

02:05:14.000 To be good at something and know what it's like to be good at something.

02:05:16.000 And then from there, you knew how hard it was to get good.

02:05:19.000 You didn't start out good. 0.99

02:05:20.000 You started out shitty. 0.95

02:05:21.000 But you got better. 0.99

02:05:22.000 And you got better.

02:05:23.000 And that understanding of that is so important for everything.

02:05:27.000 Don't look at the finish line and go, I'm never going to get there.

02:05:30.000 Look at progress.

02:05:31.000 And you can get anywhere.

02:05:32.000 As long as there's not some crazy physical limitation.

02:05:35.000 Yeah, that's what I tell people, because they always turn to me for rehab stories, you know, drug stories or whatever, because I've been to two rehabs and whatnot.

02:05:42.000 How old are you?

02:05:43.000 29. How old were you when you went through your first rehab?

02:05:46.000 I was 19, I think.

02:05:49.000 Wow.

02:05:50.000 What was it for?

02:05:51.000 I got caught with some pills.

02:05:53.000 I was a pill guy.

02:05:55.000 It was just through the court.

02:05:57.000 I had to check in and I got kicked out of some class things and they put me in an outpatient rehab program.

02:06:05.000 The second one was in between WBC and Tachi when I became world champ.

02:06:15.000 I got in trouble.

02:06:17.000 You know, got arrested. 0.99

02:06:18.000 Was looking at probably going to prison for, you know, like three to five for just doing some dumb shit. 0.99

02:06:22.000 And I had a record, so me doing anything bad would put me in prison. 0.99

02:06:26.000 So I checked myself into rehab.

02:06:28.000 And they were like, oh, good job, little buddy.

02:06:29.000 You know, pat on the head.

02:06:30.000 You can stay there for six months.

02:06:31.000 And it was a live-in.

02:06:32.000 And at first it was just escape.

02:06:34.000 Just a scapegoat for me not to go to prison.

02:06:36.000 But then it actually helped.

02:06:37.000 The people there helped me.

02:06:39.000 The program helped me.

02:06:41.000 It just helped me get my life together.

02:06:44.000 I had to be sober.

02:06:45.000 I stayed sober for a long time.

02:06:48.000 It was good for me.

02:06:50.000 It actually gave me some perspective on life because I was just such a mess for so long.

02:06:56.000 But isn't it crazy to be a guy who's such a mess and is wild and with this really self-destructive style of living, especially with regards to drugs and your body, but you're a professional athlete.

02:07:08.000 A high-level professional athlete.

02:07:10.000 I don't know how it worked for so long. 0.99

02:07:11.000 Yeah, how the fuck did it work for so long? 0.98

02:07:13.000 Um... 0.98

02:07:15.000 I don't know.

02:07:16.000 Really, I mean, I'm like a cockroach or something.

02:07:18.000 There's something inherently...

02:07:20.000 I don't know if it's right or wrong.

02:07:22.000 I hope nobody tries to imitate it.

02:07:23.000 Yeah, do not do what I've done.

02:07:25.000 Yeah, learn.

02:07:25.000 Learn from that.

02:07:26.000 Don't do that.

02:07:27.000 I'm a walking mistake. 1.00

02:07:28.000 Go to the gym, bitch. 1.00

02:07:29.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:07:29.000 Get to the gym first. 1.00

02:07:30.000 If I would have spent those extra, I mean, hours that I was doing stupid things... 0.89

02:07:37.000 Believe me, I've done calculations to everything.

02:07:39.000 I could have put in that, because they say it's 10,000 hours to master something, you know?

02:07:45.000 So I could have put an extra 10,000 hours into jiu-jitsu, an extra 10,000 into kickboxing, an extra 10,000 into wrestling. 0.53

02:07:53.000 If I would have done that, because I've been training for that long, I could have fit that in there, I would make everyone else look silly.

02:08:00.000 Well, don't you think, though, that there's something about you that is the way you are because of the adversity that you've gone through?

02:08:07.000 Of course.

02:08:07.000 I wouldn't change a thing.

02:08:08.000 I'm just saying that.

02:08:09.000 Right, but isn't that weird?

02:08:10.000 It is weird, yeah. 1.00

02:08:12.000 I would be the motherfucker of motherfuckers, but I'd be a choir boy. 1.00

02:08:15.000 I'd probably go crazy from that because I wasn't doing anything nuts. 1.00

02:08:17.000 Yeah, and then this beast would show up now and it would just blow it all.

02:08:22.000 That happens to a lot of guys too, right?

02:08:24.000 They get it instead of on the way up.

02:08:26.000 They get it once they get up.

02:08:27.000 They get there and they're like, oh, this is too much fun.

02:08:29.000 Rah! 0.97

02:08:30.000 Should have never given you money.

02:08:31.000 Yeah, there's a lot of those dudes out there. 0.78

02:08:33.000 They should have never given you money, dudes.

02:08:36.000 Especially crazy, wild, impulsive athletes and fighters.

02:08:39.000 Like the Tyson stories.

02:08:41.000 The dude got tigers. 0.89

02:08:42.000 He had his own tigers.

02:08:43.000 He had like the most legendary stories of spending money.

02:08:46.000 $200 million.

02:08:47.000 Where did it go?

02:08:48.000 Have you seen his show that he does?

02:08:50.000 No.

02:08:51.000 Oh, his stand-up show?

02:08:52.000 His one-man show.

02:08:52.000 No, I heard it's awesome.

02:08:54.000 I heard it's incredible.

02:08:55.000 Yeah, I really want to see it.

02:08:56.000 Dana White called me up after.

02:08:57.000 He goes, dude, it's one of the greatest things I've ever seen in my life. 0.94

02:08:59.000 He goes, it's fucking amazing.

02:09:01.000 He goes, Spike Lee, I guess, directed it. 0.96

02:09:03.000 Is that what happened?

02:09:04.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:09:04.000 And they put it together.

02:09:05.000 It's a fucking show. 1.00

02:09:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:09:07.000 And it's really entertaining.

02:09:08.000 It's just him, isn't it?

02:09:09.000 Yeah.

02:09:09.000 He puts up a number.

02:09:10.000 Whether it's $200 or $300 million, he puts up a number on the thing, and this giant screen, he goes, that's how much I lost.

02:09:20.000 $300 million or $200 million or whatever it was.

02:09:24.000 $100 million, whatever.

02:09:25.000 It's an insane amount of money.

02:09:26.000 He just spent it.

02:09:27.000 He just spent it.

02:09:28.000 Remember when he bought a Bentley and crashed it and then gave it to the cop?

02:09:32.000 Yeah.

02:09:33.000 My taste is all scratched up.

02:09:36.000 I'm like, not interested. 1.00

02:09:37.000 This thing's a piece of shit now. 0.99

02:09:38.000 I don't even want it. 1.00

02:09:39.000 Here you have it.

02:09:40.000 It's going to cost me $100 to fix. 1.00

02:09:41.000 He used to wear furs and shit. 0.99

02:09:43.000 He used to walk around like Jack Dempsey style. 0.99

02:09:46.000 With the hat and the jacket.

02:09:47.000 Yeah, like Jack Johnson.

02:09:48.000 When Jack Johnson was a heavyweight champ and was hanging out with all these white chicks. 1.00

02:09:52.000 Nobody did it.

02:09:53.000 They were trying to make those laws so he couldn't count the state lines.

02:09:57.000 Dude, people don't even know.

02:09:59.000 Have you ever seen, was it Unforgivable Blackness? 1.00

02:10:02.000 Is that what the documentary is called?

02:10:03.000 What is the documentary called?

02:10:05.000 I need to quote it because it's an amazing documentary.

02:10:08.000 Just Blackness, Jack Johnson. 1.00

02:10:11.000 Boy, am I going to jail if they're fucking doing Google search on my shit. 1.00

02:10:15.000 Yeah, I don't remember who made it. 0.99

02:10:17.000 I want to say it was Ken Burns.

02:10:20.000 Because, you know, he does a lot of those. 0.82

02:10:22.000 Unforgivable Blackness. 1.00

02:10:24.000 That's what it's called.

02:10:27.000 Is it Ken Burns?

02:10:29.000 I don't know if I saw it on Netflix or TV, but I saw it pretty recently.

02:10:32.000 Oh, it's amazing.

02:10:34.000 It's amazing.

02:10:35.000 It's incredible. 0.99

02:10:36.000 I mean, people don't realize what a bad motherfucker this guy was and what incredible racism he encountered. 0.99

02:10:44.000 Like, the racism that fighters encounter today or people encounter today. 0.99

02:10:48.000 Like, here's a perfect example.

02:10:49.000 The recent thing with Oprah Winfrey.

02:10:51.000 Do you know about this thing?

02:10:52.000 No.

02:10:53.000 It's, you know, they should have done it. 0.99

02:10:56.000 She went to a store in Switzerland or some shit. 0.99

02:10:59.000 Is that where it was? 0.99

02:10:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:11:01.000 And she, there was a purse. 0.94

02:11:02.000 It was a very expensive purse.

02:11:04.000 Yeah.

02:11:04.000 And she asked to see it.

02:11:05.000 And the store clerk said, oh, you can't afford that purse. 1.00

02:11:08.000 You don't even want to look at it.

02:11:09.000 You should look at something less money. 1.00

02:11:11.000 And Oprah was like, oh shit, really? 1.00

02:11:14.000 Okay, that's the kind of racism that Oprah has. 1.00

02:11:19.000 What Jack Johnson experience is like, it's like, to these people, they wanted him dead.

02:11:25.000 And slavery had just ended, like, inside of their lifetime, 1865. So you're dealing with just a few decades later, and all of a sudden there's this dude just knocking white dudes senseless and taking these white chicks and impaling them on this fucking... 0.99

02:11:42.000 The fucking super dick, the likes of which white women had never seen before. 1.00

02:11:47.000 They were just following him around and falling out of his car while he was driving down the street. 1.00

02:11:50.000 I mean, he was like the first black guy ever with a dope car. 1.00

02:11:55.000 Exactly, to cross that border and just kill it. 1.00

02:11:57.000 And he just did it like, fuck you, what are you going to do about it? 1.00

02:12:00.000 He would take them across state lines and try to get them for all kinds of shit. 1.00

02:12:02.000 Transporting white women across dirt lines that they drove. 1.00

02:12:05.000 The government was after you. 0.99

02:12:07.000 For sleeping with white women. 0.99

02:12:09.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:12:10.000 You're winning, sir.

02:12:11.000 It's a sad, sad movie.

02:12:13.000 And then at the end when he throws a fight, you know, you could tell he throws a fight.

02:12:18.000 No, it wasn't Jess Willard.

02:12:19.000 Who was it that he threw?

02:12:20.000 I don't remember.

02:12:21.000 I don't remember.

02:12:22.000 But I don't want to tell you, in fact, even if I did remember, you should watch it.

02:12:25.000 Go get it.

02:12:26.000 It's an amazing documentary.

02:12:27.000 And it's just, we see like those old Jack Johnson fights.

02:12:33.000 Or you see Jack Dempsey's old fights.

02:12:37.000 Like, boy, you're dealing with a totally different kind of human being back then.

02:12:41.000 It was a lot different.

02:12:42.000 They were animals!

02:12:44.000 I think we're slowly losing that piece of us.

02:12:47.000 Yeah.

02:12:48.000 You know, with whatever it is that's everything.

02:12:50.000 Everything is taking it away from us, but we're slowly losing that killer instinct.

02:12:55.000 Well, you know, it's funny that Tyson latched on to Jack Dempsey.

02:12:59.000 Jack Dempsey was one of his main heroes and his main idols for that style of fighting, that just ferocious, mauling style.

02:13:06.000 Yeah.

02:13:07.000 You know, and Tyson sort of recognized that he was a throwback.

02:13:10.000 I mean, you think about that in the 80s.

02:13:11.000 And then you look at, like, Jack Dempsey was doing it when there was no TVs.

02:13:16.000 You know?

02:13:17.000 They found out about fights from the radio.

02:13:19.000 Yeah, he was doing that exact thing that long ago.

02:13:21.000 You were either there in person, or you were listening to guys talk.

02:13:25.000 Jack Dempsey with a left!

02:13:27.000 Jack Dempsey!

02:13:28.000 He's down!

02:13:31.000 I mean, I guess it was all word of mouth.

02:13:34.000 It was all back then.

02:13:35.000 It had to have been.

02:13:36.000 Did you see that photo that somebody posted on the underground the other day of a fight from 1913? 1.00

02:13:44.000 Did you see that shit? 1.00

02:13:46.000 I don't think so. 1.00

02:13:46.000 With MMA or boxing? 1.00

02:13:47.000 Do you know that?

02:13:47.000 Can you find it?

02:13:48.000 It's on my Instagram.

02:13:50.000 If you go to my Instagram, it's a dude named Irish Roddy.

02:13:58.000 It's a boxing match.

02:13:59.000 And it's a boxing match from, you know, 1913 that they've turned into a color image.

02:14:06.000 They've processed it and made it true to life. 0.97

02:14:10.000 It's fucking incredible. 0.97

02:14:11.000 I'll put it up here for you. 1.00

02:14:13.000 Look at this shit. 1.00

02:14:16.000 Look at that picture. 1.00

02:14:17.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:14:19.000 Yeah, holy shit is right. 1.00

02:14:20.000 It's incredible. 1.00

02:14:22.000 That was back when they used to fight like 50 fucking rounds. 0.99

02:14:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:14:26.000 Right? 0.99

02:14:26.000 I mean, didn't they have like some crazy fights back then? 0.99

02:14:29.000 What was the most amount of rounds you think anybody ever fought back in those days?

02:14:32.000 Probably 50 or 60. What the fuck? 0.99

02:14:34.000 I mean, those guys look like they're on the verge of beating each other to death. 1.00

02:14:38.000 Very close.

02:14:39.000 But I've seen some UFC fights that look like that too.

02:14:42.000 Joe Stevenson and BJ Penn.

02:14:43.000 At the end of that fight, it looked like Joe Stevenson got murdered.

02:14:46.000 Especially those forehead cuts. 0.89

02:14:49.000 Forehead cuts are responsible for some of the craziest, most ridiculous scenes in the octagon ever.

02:14:54.000 What did Bigfoot Silva's manager say? 0.80

02:14:56.000 His head is well irrigated?

02:14:58.000 It's just squirting blood out of his giant noggin? 0.96

02:15:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:01.000 No shit. 1.00

02:15:02.000 That was a crazy one. 1.00

02:15:04.000 Longest boxing match ever.

02:15:05.000 Let's find out.

02:15:07.000 Match ever.

02:15:09.000 Boy, I'm good at typing.

02:15:11.000 What was the longest boxing match in history?

02:15:13.000 Oh my god!

02:15:14.000 A boxing match lasted seven hours!

02:15:17.000 How many...

02:15:18.000 I can't do the math. 1.00

02:15:19.000 What the fuck is that? 1.00

02:15:23.000 Is that real? 1.00

02:15:26.000 Oh my god.

02:15:28.000 Listen to this.

02:15:29.000 We're good to go.

02:15:37.000 We're good to go.

02:15:54.000 They fought to a finish.

02:15:55.000 I like that.

02:15:56.000 All through the contest, fighters went at each other aggressively, pounding each other with their gloves, inflicting and sustaining tremendous punishment.

02:16:03.000 That read like someone wrote it with their pants off. 0.98

02:16:06.000 Just vigorously masturbating. 1.00

02:16:08.000 Just oiled up and shaved. 0.99

02:16:12.000 Three minute rounds wore off.

02:16:14.000 Oh my god, they went to 111 rounds.

02:16:19.000 Both fighters, dazed and weary, gave up and did not come out of their corner. 1.00

02:16:25.000 Pussies! 1.00

02:16:26.000 Well, you can't fight 112th round. 1.00

02:16:29.000 One more round.

02:16:30.000 There had to be one guy telling them, just get up, Rocky, and you'll win!

02:16:35.000 Guinness says it's 276 rounds in 1825. Ah, but that's English people lying.

02:16:42.000 Mate, we had it much longer than that.

02:16:46.000 Our endurance is superior.

02:16:48.000 We have proper boxing training.

02:16:50.000 That sounded more South African.

02:16:52.000 So maybe they're right, man.

02:16:53.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:16:54.000 Whoever fought over 100 rounds is the craziest fucking human being that's ever lived. 0.99

02:16:57.000 Yeah, that fight was only four and a half hours. 0.99

02:16:59.000 Oh, that's weird.

02:17:00.000 What are they, like 30 second rounds?

02:17:02.000 That doesn't even make sense.

02:17:03.000 I can't even do the math.

02:17:04.000 I'm not going to try.

02:17:05.000 2,500 bucks.

02:17:07.000 That's crazy.

02:17:09.000 For the welterweight championship of the world.

02:17:11.000 Or lightweight, rather.

02:17:13.000 That's a good question.

02:17:15.000 It's a very good question.

02:17:16.000 I bet it'd be like a million bucks.

02:17:17.000 Yeah.

02:17:18.000 Isn't that weird?

02:17:18.000 Like, when you hear about, like, economies imploding, and then all of a sudden, like, a loaf of bread's worth a million dollars.

02:17:24.000 Doesn't make sense. 0.99

02:17:25.000 How the fuck? 0.98

02:17:25.000 What does that even mean? 0.98

02:17:26.000 Yeah, I don't even understand how people have billions of dollars.

02:17:29.000 How does that number even a real number?

02:17:31.000 And can I... How do you...

02:17:32.000 Pull out a billion dollars in cash.

02:17:34.000 Let me see.

02:17:35.000 Yeah.

02:17:35.000 At a certain point in time, you have to admit that you hacked the game.

02:17:39.000 Okay?

02:17:39.000 You hacked the game somehow, dude.

02:17:41.000 How'd you get $10 billion?

02:17:42.000 Yeah, this isn't...

02:17:43.000 I don't understand.

02:17:44.000 When, you know, your guy like Bill Gates, you have a submarine...

02:17:47.000 Inside your giant boat.

02:17:48.000 Yeah.

02:17:48.000 You're like, hey, what happened here?

02:17:50.000 What exactly did you do?

02:17:51.000 Where are you getting all that money?

02:17:53.000 This isn't fair. 1.00

02:17:55.000 You have escape pods in your house to jettison you to the middle of the fucking ocean whenever fucking danger shows up. 0.99

02:18:01.000 Yeah, you have a constant team of security detail around you. 0.99

02:18:04.000 That's like having a bank around you all the time.

02:18:07.000 Bill Gates is worth, what, $100 billion or something crazy like that?

02:18:11.000 Him dropping $40,000, he shouldn't pick it up kind of thing.

02:18:14.000 Yeah, that's what they say.

02:18:15.000 If he drops $40,000, it's worth more of his time to keep moving forward than it is to turn around and pick it up.

02:18:22.000 What happened was he just didn't turn around to pick up the bonus I just got almost for bludgeoning another man for 15 minutes.

02:18:30.000 If he dropped that, he wouldn't pick it up.

02:18:33.000 It is crazy if you think about how much more difficult MMA is than almost every other job that you have to do Physically, like besides being a soldier or a cop or a fireman, 0.96

02:18:48.000 where you're really putting your life in danger on a daily basis with fires and bullets, take all those out, and then ambulance driver, pretty fucking dangerous. 0.99

02:18:57.000 There's a few race car drivers, dangerous as shit. 1.00

02:19:00.000 But MMA fighter's a fucking scary one. 1.00

02:19:02.000 That's one of the most dangerous jobs you can have, other than like crab fishing, those fucking crazy assholes. 1.00

02:19:09.000 Yeah, but the- Deadliest Catch guys. 1.00

02:19:10.000 Deadliest Catch guys. 1.00

02:19:11.000 Those guys are nuts. 0.99

02:19:12.000 They're secluded out there for a reason. 0.99

02:19:14.000 Are you friends with Guida?

02:19:16.000 We don't talk or anything, but he's a cool dude.

02:19:18.000 He's a great guy. 0.99

02:19:19.000 Clay Guida did that shit for like a year. 1.00

02:19:21.000 He went to test his metal. 1.00

02:19:23.000 Went out and was a fucking crabber. 1.00

02:19:24.000 Crazy fuck. 1.00

02:19:25.000 He's the kind of guy who would just be like, that sounds like fun. 1.00

02:19:27.000 I'm going to make some cash.

02:19:28.000 Cool.

02:19:28.000 Okay, I got to go.

02:19:29.000 Stop moving.

02:19:31.000 Yeah, that dude's got some endurance.

02:19:32.000 Imagine him just on the boat the whole time doing that.

02:19:34.000 I've seen him blow off more energy at a weigh-in than I have from a real workout.

02:19:39.000 Like a real workout like today, I'm going to have some coffee, I'm going to really work out.

02:19:42.000 Meanwhile, he gets more cardio in on the way up to the scale. 0.67

02:19:45.000 And he's always fucking like super energetic where everybody else is dried out.

02:19:49.000 You know, they're cutting weight and Guida wasn't much bigger than 155. He has ridiculous endurance. 0.99

02:19:56.000 Yeah, he's just...

02:19:57.000 That's one of those natural things that...

02:20:01.000 He's never at rest anyways.

02:20:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:20:03.000 He's a nut. 0.99

02:20:04.000 It's just... 0.99

02:20:05.000 It's constant.

02:20:06.000 His rest is active.

02:20:08.000 Yeah.

02:20:08.000 So he's never going to get tired.

02:20:09.000 He's a great fucking guy, too. 0.99

02:20:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:20:10.000 Great guy. 1.00

02:20:11.000 Very, very fun dude to hang out with.

02:20:13.000 And he drives like he fights.

02:20:15.000 You ever drive with him?

02:20:16.000 No.

02:20:16.000 He's awesome.

02:20:17.000 He drives you like, alright, Clay Guida!

02:20:21.000 Yeah!

02:20:22.000 Close my eyes and just hold on. 1.00

02:20:24.000 Fucking Chicago savages. 1.00

02:20:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:20:26.000 It's a different breed of human. 1.00

02:20:27.000 Is that what it is?

02:20:27.000 Yeah, those Illinois people are animals, bro.

02:20:30.000 I've never been there. 1.00

02:20:30.000 It's cold as fuck. 1.00

02:20:31.000 That's true. 1.00

02:20:32.000 Those cities where it's really cold and there's a lot of people, it takes a hardy motherfucker to rise above in those spots. 0.97

02:20:39.000 Yeah, it wouldn't last. 0.99

02:20:40.000 I'm eaten alive.

02:20:42.000 Growing up here, you grew up in paradise.

02:20:45.000 This is the greatest weather in the history of the universe.

02:20:48.000 It's great, but you miss that adversity that you get from dealing with the weather.

02:20:54.000 There's like a knowledge that it's out there.

02:20:56.000 That we don't have.

02:20:57.000 We're like oblivious out here.

02:20:59.000 We're like, ah, it's sunny another day, whatever!

02:21:02.000 My stepdad, for instance, world-renowned hunter and tracker.

02:21:06.000 He's almost 80 years old.

02:21:07.000 He's this mountain of a man, was in the CIA, and he's a mason, and he's just this...

02:21:14.000 That guy, my mom met him being a chef at his wilderness hunting lodge in the middle of BFE in Alaska.

02:21:22.000 Like, the guy...

02:21:23.000 I've seen pictures of him with polar bear he killed.

02:21:26.000 Oh, my God.

02:21:27.000 He's just this big mountain man.

02:21:29.000 Polar bear? 1.00

02:21:30.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:21:30.000 Yeah, I actually have a polar bear rug. 0.99

02:21:32.000 That's crazy.

02:21:32.000 I don't have a house to put it in yet.

02:21:34.000 But, I mean, it's just...

02:21:35.000 That's like...

02:21:36.000 That guy is just weathered.

02:21:38.000 You don't eat polar bear, do you?

02:21:39.000 Do you eat it?

02:21:40.000 I don't think so.

02:21:41.000 I think he just...

02:21:42.000 Back then, he's almost 80, so back then it was okay.

02:21:45.000 He doesn't hunt anymore.

02:21:46.000 Back then, we owned black people, we shot polar bears, whatever, don't worry about it.

02:21:50.000 It's okay. 0.95

02:21:51.000 We drove drunk, shooting polar bears out the window of the car.

02:21:56.000 Yeah, you're supposed to hunt certain predator bears, though.

02:21:59.000 They have to keep their numbers down.

02:22:01.000 People don't like that idea, but it does become a real problem.

02:22:06.000 The game wardens in these areas and the Department of Fish and Game, they're very meticulous about keeping track of numbers of both animals that are prey, like deer, and then animals that are also predators, like cats and bears and shit like that.

02:22:21.000 We're good to go. 0.98

02:22:43.000 People that are like, especially people who are animal rights people or people who love animals, there's a lot of people that their dogs are like their best fucking friends. 0.93

02:22:50.000 It's the only thing that they can count on for love. 0.90

02:22:52.000 You know what I mean?

02:22:53.000 That's not even a bad thing.

02:22:54.000 No, it's not a bad thing.

02:22:55.000 It's true.

02:22:55.000 So I understand where they're coming from.

02:22:57.000 You would think about a bear as just like a big dog, but it's a big dog that will eat your asshole. 1.00

02:23:02.000 That thing doesn't give a shit about you. 1.00

02:23:03.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:23:04.000 It wants to eat you. 0.99

02:23:05.000 Yeah, it's a heartless monster. 0.98

02:23:07.000 And for the most part...

02:23:08.000 They're harmless.

02:23:09.000 You don't go near them.

02:23:10.000 You stay away from them.

02:23:11.000 For the most part, you're right.

02:23:12.000 We're going to be fine.

02:23:13.000 But the reality is when they get to a certain number and they start taking down elk in front of people at the campsite.

02:23:19.000 Scaring the shit out of everybody.

02:23:20.000 You ever see a 12-foot bear take out a moose?

02:23:23.000 I haven't either.

02:23:24.000 I've never forgot this. 1.00

02:23:29.000 Pull this shit up, Jamie. 1.00

02:23:30.000 It's a bear eats a moose in a driveway. 1.00

02:23:34.000 Dude.

02:23:35.000 Okay?

02:23:36.000 Just dude.

02:23:38.000 Imagine.

02:23:38.000 Imagine you're living in Alaska, okay?

02:23:41.000 I'm 5'8", okay? 1.00

02:23:43.000 I stood next to a moose, and its dick was over my head. 1.00

02:23:48.000 They're gigantic! 0.99

02:23:49.000 I went to Alaska when I was a kid. 0.99

02:23:51.000 That place is fucking beautiful. 0.99

02:23:52.000 They're gigantic. 1.00

02:23:53.000 I mean, I didn't get really close enough to a moose to get its dick over my head, but look at this. 1.00

02:23:58.000 But this moose, which is gigantic, okay, is killed by a grizzly bear in this guy's fucking driveway. 0.99

02:24:05.000 So could you imagine? 0.99

02:24:07.000 There's a thing that's, oh, you know, whatever, ten times the size of a deer, and it gets killed by a giant wild dog.

02:24:17.000 That's essentially what a bear is.

02:24:19.000 A giant bulletproof wild dog.

02:24:22.000 Moose are what, like 12 feet tall? 1.00

02:24:23.000 They're fucking huge! 0.99

02:24:25.000 It's a huge animal. 1.00

02:24:26.000 That's not the biggest moose in the world.

02:24:28.000 And it's a female. 0.80

02:24:30.000 It's still a moose. 1.00

02:24:30.000 It's a big fucking animal. 1.00

02:24:33.000 And what's really crazy about bear is bear eat moose alive. 1.00

02:24:38.000 They eat all the animals they kill alive.

02:24:40.000 A lot of times they go guts first.

02:24:42.000 They don't even bother killing the animal.

02:24:44.000 They just start eating them. 1.00

02:24:46.000 You look at the size of that fucking thing. 1.00

02:24:49.000 Just ripping chunks off of this moose. 1.00

02:24:53.000 He's eating the guts now.

02:24:55.000 That's what they go for the first...

02:24:57.000 But they're everywhere up there.

02:25:00.000 And it comes a time where the wildlife people determine that, okay, the population is too high.

02:25:08.000 And so we have to manage this.

02:25:10.000 What is that?

02:25:10.000 They dragged it away?

02:25:11.000 Wow, look how they dragged it away. 0.82

02:25:13.000 Look at the size of it.

02:25:14.000 Back that up so it puts it in perspective.

02:25:16.000 Oh my god, look at them dragging it away.

02:25:18.000 Look how big it is! 0.99

02:25:21.000 You don't realize how big it is because the bear is so fucking big. 0.99

02:25:25.000 But when they drag it away, you're like, holy shit, how big is that bear? 1.00

02:25:30.000 Now let's go back to the bear. 0.99

02:25:31.000 Go back to the bear.

02:25:32.000 Look how big the bear is. 1.00

02:25:33.000 God damn, how big is that fucking bear? 1.00

02:25:36.000 Oh! 1.00

02:25:38.000 That's a big bear, dude. 1.00

02:25:40.000 Literally a fucking 600 pound angry dog with bigger claws and teeth. 1.00

02:25:43.000 Look at the size of that thing! 1.00

02:25:44.000 Now that you know how big that fucking moose is! 1.00

02:25:47.000 In comparison to a car, that bear is huge! 1.00

02:25:50.000 Oh, fuck! 1.00

02:25:54.000 God damn! 1.00

02:25:55.000 Fuck living in Alaska! 1.00

02:25:56.000 My mom was saying when she went to go hunt a doll sheep, that, of course my stepdad's not going to tell her, but a bear was tracking them the whole time. 1.00

02:26:04.000 Of course, yeah.

02:26:05.000 The whole time. 0.99

02:26:06.000 And she's like, oh, we're wading through thick, brushed shit, and just, you know. 0.99

02:26:11.000 I wonder why. 0.99

02:26:13.000 I started telling the story. 0.98

02:26:14.000 I was like, man, that's fucking frightening. 1.00

02:26:16.000 Something wants to eat you. 0.99

02:26:18.000 It's so crazy because you can get there at the wrong place in the wrong time.

02:26:22.000 You can get there when there's an old bear that can't catch moose or deer anymore and they have worn out teeth and they see you and they're like, oh, I can catch you.

02:26:31.000 And then they just eat you.

02:26:32.000 And especially when it's late in the season, they say, that's when it gets really desperado.

02:26:37.000 Bears will eat their cubs.

02:26:38.000 They get really desperate because there's no food and they can't catch any fish.

02:26:42.000 There's no salmon left and they're starving to death. 0.99

02:26:44.000 And so they'll fucking eat everything in front of them. 0.98

02:26:46.000 You can catch them in that really intense desperation because they're the last animals that haven't hibernated. 0.99

02:26:51.000 The healthy fat bears.

02:26:55.000 Grizzly Man?

02:26:56.000 Yes.

02:26:57.000 I talk about that every week.

02:26:58.000 I can't talk about it anymore, unfortunately.

02:27:00.000 I'm just saying, it was like that.

02:27:04.000 That was the exact storyline.

02:27:05.000 The guy stayed way too long.

02:27:07.000 He was there in October or November or some shit like that when they're supposed to already be sleeping. 0.99

02:27:12.000 Yeah, that's a weird thing, man, to live in the presence of those crazy beasts. 0.96

02:27:16.000 My favorite shows are all these subsistence shows, like Alaska, The Last Frontier.

02:27:21.000 It's one of my favorite shows. 1.00

02:27:22.000 I get giddy like a little schoolgirl when that shit's on. 1.00

02:27:25.000 I gotta watch it. 1.00

02:27:25.000 It's these people, they live. 1.00

02:27:27.000 It's a bunch of families.

02:27:28.000 The Kitchener family.

02:27:29.000 And I believe, like, Jewel, you know that beautiful singer, incredible voice?

02:27:33.000 She is, like, related to these people.

02:27:36.000 Fascinating.

02:27:37.000 But...

02:27:38.000 These folks live in a really remote part of Alaska, and they have a homestead where they're responsible for everything.

02:27:48.000 They're responsible for all their own repairs and their equipment.

02:27:50.000 They get all their own meat from either cows that they have to butcher, because they run cattle, or animals that they hunt, whether they hunt bear or moose.

02:27:58.000 And they have very specific chores they do, and they have maybe four or five months a year where they're just trying to keep it together, and then it's bundle up for the cold.

02:28:07.000 And their whole life is about preparing for the cold.

02:28:10.000 Yeah. 0.92

02:28:11.000 And they're just fucking storing fish, and every day is just a mad dash, getting up at six, pulling nets of fish in, freezing them, smoking them. 0.99

02:28:20.000 Everybody's working around the clock, and then the fucking frost comes in. 0.99

02:28:25.000 The river freezes over the point where you drive cars on it. 0.99

02:28:28.000 It's gangster cold up there.

02:28:30.000 I've got to watch that.

02:28:31.000 It's amazing. 0.96

02:28:32.000 I'm a dork for it, dude. 0.65

02:28:34.000 Well, my mom went through it. 0.96

02:28:36.000 Your mom went through it?

02:28:37.000 Well, because she was living and being the chef at the hunting lodge. 1.00

02:28:40.000 God damn. 0.99

02:28:41.000 In the middle of nowhere. 1.00

02:28:42.000 I mean, you know, she was living in Alaska for a while.

02:28:45.000 And obviously Jim's, you know, I'm sure listening to this, he's old, but yeah, he was up there forever.

02:28:51.000 Wow.

02:28:51.000 You know, I mean, that's, the harsh climates are, I don't, I like Southern California way too much.

02:28:57.000 There's something amazing about the people that come from those spots, though.

02:29:01.000 They have a different, there's a different, Sort of like mentality that they possess. 1.00

02:29:06.000 For a pussy like me, it's so attractive. 1.00

02:29:09.000 It's like, wow, this guy doesn't have a bank account. 1.00

02:29:13.000 He's got some beaver skins. 1.00

02:29:14.000 He's got to trade for gasoline for his fucking snowmobile. 0.99

02:29:17.000 And he's driving around where it's 80 below zero and he's running traps. 1.00

02:29:21.000 And that's how he feeds his kids. 0.98

02:29:22.000 This guy, there's a fucking show called Mountain Men where this guy takes a plane every winter. 0.99

02:29:28.000 He flies. 1.00

02:29:28.000 He leaves his family behind. 1.00

02:29:29.000 He flies for months and camps out in the woods.

02:29:32.000 He's got, like, these shacks up there, and he runs these trap lines and just kills animals. 0.98

02:29:36.000 In the wintertime, it's, like, apparently easier to kill them because they're desperado, and they go and find the bait and snap down on them.

02:29:42.000 And this guy just takes it all and freezes them and skins them and then brings them back home. 0.83

02:29:46.000 He lives out there by himself for months and months at a time.

02:29:49.000 No phone.

02:29:50.000 No nothing.

02:29:51.000 Just a wood house.

02:29:53.000 A wood house and a snowmobile.

02:29:55.000 Jesus.

02:29:56.000 Yeah.

02:29:57.000 And this part of you is like, could you do it?

02:29:59.000 Could you do it?

02:30:00.000 I don't know.

02:30:01.000 I guess you could if you had to.

02:30:03.000 Like, if that was your life.

02:30:04.000 If there was no way around it. 0.98

02:30:05.000 If it's like, listen, you know, they came to you and said, hey, there's a fucking, there's an ice age coming. 0.97

02:30:11.000 There's nothing we can do about it. 0.96

02:30:13.000 We gotta figure it out.

02:30:13.000 We're gonna have to figure it out.

02:30:14.000 We're gonna have to about four months out of the year to gather up food.

02:30:17.000 And then it's gonna be 80 below zero by the time December comes around.

02:30:21.000 I can't do it.

02:30:22.000 Well, those people are going to die off. 0.96

02:30:23.000 Because you know what? 0.64

02:30:24.000 People are doing that in Anchorage.

02:30:25.000 Go up there.

02:30:26.000 Go to Fairbanks.

02:30:27.000 Go up there.

02:30:27.000 There's a whole city.

02:30:28.000 There's a whole city where it gets so cold that you could freeze to death while you go to get your mail.

02:30:34.000 Jesus Christ.

02:30:35.000 You can freeze to death. 1.00

02:30:36.000 They all carry candles in their car and shit. 1.00

02:30:38.000 If you get trapped somewhere, you've got to light a candle. 0.99

02:30:39.000 You can't just sit in your car.

02:30:41.000 You'll freeze to death.

02:30:42.000 Damn. 1.00

02:30:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:30:43.000 I didn't know that. 0.99

02:30:45.000 Yeah.

02:30:45.000 That's not even...

02:30:47.000 I mean, I would love...

02:30:49.000 I want to learn to bow hunt and go kill and eat my food, but I definitely want to come home and bring it home to my beach house.

02:30:56.000 Air-conditioned house by the beach.

02:30:58.000 With the breeze and the nice...

02:31:00.000 Did your dad take you on hunts and fishing trips?

02:31:04.000 He came into my life, my stepdad, the hunter, later on.

02:31:11.000 That's my goal is to now eventually take him on one last hunt.

02:31:14.000 Because the man's bulletproof.

02:31:17.000 Because he doesn't hunt anymore.

02:31:18.000 I want to go up to Alaska and I don't want to kill anything, like a bear or anything.

02:31:22.000 I don't want to kill something.

02:31:23.000 I'm just going to eat like a deer or elk.

02:31:26.000 Caribou?

02:31:26.000 You can get a caribou.

02:31:27.000 Yeah, caribou.

02:31:27.000 Get something.

02:31:27.000 A doll sheep.

02:31:28.000 But something difficult.

02:31:30.000 But my dad on the other side, we were just all fishing.

02:31:33.000 So we're always hunting something.

02:31:35.000 Right, right, right.

02:31:36.000 And it's definitely, I love doing it.

02:31:39.000 I also need to go fishing again.

02:31:41.000 Do you feel like that that's a primal thing too?

02:31:43.000 I mean, not obviously on the same level as fighting, but there's something about the satisfaction that you get from acquiring your own food.

02:31:51.000 It's a very primal thing.

02:31:52.000 It's the most intimate thing you can share with another creature is taking its life. 1.00

02:31:56.000 You sound like a fucking psycho. 1.00

02:31:58.000 Ha ha ha ha! 1.00

02:32:00.000 It's true. 0.99

02:32:00.000 If I was a fucking FBI profiler, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to follow your Twitter from here on out, pal. 0.99

02:32:06.000 What? 0.99

02:32:06.000 It's true, because you get to send it off. 0.99

02:32:09.000 You get to kill something and eat it. 0.97

02:32:11.000 No, I know what you mean. 1.00

02:32:12.000 I'm fucking with you. 0.99

02:32:13.000 Obviously, we're joking around, but I know what you mean. 1.00

02:32:15.000 I killed a deer for the first time in my life last winter.

02:32:18.000 And it's a very intimate feeling when you've eaten the liver of an animal that you just shot a couple hours ago.

02:32:24.000 It's weird. 0.99

02:32:24.000 It tastes fucking delicious. 0.99

02:32:26.000 It tastes unbelievably delicious. 0.99

02:32:27.000 And the reality is it's the most ethical way to approach it because that animal is probably not going to survive much longer anyway.

02:32:33.000 It gets un-fucking-believably cold in Montana in the winter and a lot of them just freeze to death. 0.99

02:32:38.000 There's a fucked up picture, Jamie. 1.00

02:32:39.000 Have you seen this shit of an elk frozen to death standing up? 1.00

02:32:43.000 Yeah, you want to know how brutal Colorado gets, bitch? 1.00

02:32:46.000 Check this shit out. 1.00

02:32:47.000 There's an elk that they found that froze to death, like trying to cross a lake or something like that, like standing up, frozen. 0.99

02:32:54.000 It was trying to, whatever it was, maybe tall snow, and it stuck standing up, and animals have eaten big chunks off of it, so it is like this freaky carcass of this standing up zombie elk that has these chunks taken out of its body,

02:33:11.000 but it's frozen standing up.

02:33:14.000 You find it?

02:33:15.000 How dare you.

02:33:17.000 You got it?

02:33:18.000 Let me see it.

02:33:19.000 This is going to freak you out.

02:33:23.000 I'm sure there's people that have some more MMA questions. 0.99

02:33:25.000 You guys are going to fucking stop talking about animals, Rogan. 1.00

02:33:27.000 Talk about MMA, you fucking queer. 1.00

02:33:30.000 Hey, don't be mean. 1.00

02:33:33.000 You hater, folks.

02:33:34.000 Look at this. 1.00

02:33:34.000 Look at that fucking elk, dude. 1.00

02:33:37.000 Are you shitting me? 1.00

02:33:39.000 Can you see it in that picture? 0.99

02:33:40.000 Is there a better picture?

02:33:41.000 There's got to be a better picture than that, man. 0.98

02:33:43.000 See if you can find the actual picture, because the actual picture, the high-res picture, is fucking crazy.

02:33:48.000 This thing's frozen, standing up, and big chunks are bitten off of it. 0.99

02:33:54.000 My point is, we're such pussies here in California. 0.99

02:33:57.000 It's true. 0.99

02:33:57.000 It is true. 0.99

02:33:59.000 When it comes to weather.

02:34:00.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:34:02.000 But, on the other hand...

02:34:04.000 It's a great place to develop if you're an MMA fighter.

02:34:09.000 There's a picture. 0.99

02:34:10.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:34:12.000 It's even crazier than it looked. 1.00

02:34:14.000 I mean, they're eating holes straight through it.

02:34:17.000 Yeah, it's just the body.

02:34:19.000 You can see the spine and the organs are all missing.

02:34:23.000 In the top area, like, by the spine and the organs are all, like, chewed out. 1.00

02:34:27.000 Of course the asshole's eaten. 1.00

02:34:28.000 Of course. 1.00

02:34:28.000 It's delicious. 1.00

02:34:29.000 They're right to it. 1.00

02:34:30.000 What you gonna do, bitch? 1.00

02:34:31.000 They probably ate the asshole before it even died. 1.00

02:34:33.000 Like, oh, shit, what we got here, Sorp. 1.00

02:34:37.000 I'm a bear. 1.00

02:34:38.000 Actually, if it was a bear, there'd be nothing.

02:34:40.000 That has to be probably coyotes or something like that, because they didn't even knock it over or chew through the bone.

02:34:45.000 Wolves would have probably chewed right through the bone. 0.96

02:34:46.000 What am I, a wildlife expert? 1.00

02:34:48.000 Listen to me, like I'm a fucking, like I'm the crocodile hunter, like a zoologist or some shit. 1.00

02:34:54.000 The fuck, son? 1.00

02:34:55.000 Let me ask you about some upcoming fights. 1.00

02:34:58.000 People always request this, and I never get around to it.

02:35:02.000 When fighters are on to talk about upcoming cards, because there's a bunch of really interesting fights coming up that people are interested in.

02:35:12.000 First of all, I've got to ask you, what do you think about Anderson and Chris Weidman, the rematch of that fight?

02:35:19.000 I think this time...

02:35:21.000 Obviously, Chris...

02:35:24.000 You know, can beat him, I think.

02:35:25.000 But I don't think he's going to.

02:35:27.000 I think Anderson's going to blast him quick.

02:35:29.000 Really?

02:35:30.000 I saw a turn in that second round where I thought that the tide had completely turned.

02:35:37.000 And Anderson does the same thing he always does.

02:35:40.000 And it's one, two, dip.

02:35:43.000 It's MMA. Guys don't know how to box very well.

02:35:46.000 It's just a straight, basic one, two.

02:35:48.000 And he always goes the same way.

02:35:50.000 One, two, and then if you start to pressure him, he goes...

02:35:53.000 Back and dips to that side.

02:35:55.000 It's the same watch other video.

02:35:58.000 It's what he does.

02:35:59.000 You know?

02:36:00.000 And I don't know if Wyman might have not even known it, but all he did was take one step forward.

02:36:04.000 I bet Ray Longo knew it.

02:36:05.000 Yeah.

02:36:06.000 All he did was, you know, flash.

02:36:07.000 He kind of stepped in the southpaw, flashed out a jab, and then threw the hook.

02:36:11.000 Yeah.

02:36:11.000 And it was ugly.

02:36:12.000 It wasn't beautiful textbook punching, but it worked.

02:36:15.000 Well, you know, that's that same hook that he knocked Uriah Hall out with.

02:36:17.000 He has a weird, long hook where he has this arm fully extended and he catches you on the end with his hand turned.

02:36:24.000 Exactly.

02:36:24.000 And Anderson's used to being out here.

02:36:26.000 And he already got crack coming in, so it's...

02:36:29.000 I mean, he just got lazy or overconfident or whatever it was.

02:36:33.000 But I think that he...

02:36:34.000 I would love to see him...

02:36:38.000 Blitz Weidman.

02:36:39.000 Just because I want to see Anderson do it to somebody because he does it so beautifully.

02:36:43.000 Nothing against Chris.

02:36:44.000 Right.

02:36:44.000 I know what you're saying.

02:36:45.000 I know what you're saying.

02:36:46.000 He's the most beautiful guy to watch as far as movement.

02:36:49.000 By far, yeah.

02:36:49.000 Yeah.

02:36:50.000 It's hard to wrap your head around that, how you could like a guy like Chris Weidman and want to see him get fucked up. 0.97

02:36:56.000 People don't understand that. 0.91

02:36:57.000 It's not what it is.

02:36:58.000 It's just you want to see the performance.

02:37:00.000 Exactly.

02:37:00.000 I want to see a beautiful performance.

02:37:02.000 And no one makes it more beautiful than Anderson.

02:37:04.000 And when it's against a really tough guy, it makes the performance all the more spectacular.

02:37:08.000 I'm a huge Rich Franklin fan.

02:37:10.000 I've always been a Rich Franklin fan.

02:37:11.000 He's a great guy.

02:37:12.000 He was a great champion. 0.97

02:37:13.000 So when Anderson beat Franklin for the title, I knew how fucking tough Rich Franklin is. 0.96

02:37:18.000 So it made it all the more crazy. 0.96

02:37:20.000 When you're watching that, you're like, Jesus Christ.

02:37:23.000 If you don't know how tough Lee Murray is...

02:37:26.000 If you don't know how tough Lee Murray is, watch Lee Murray vs.

02:37:30.000 Anderson Silva.

02:37:30.000 First of all, watch Lee Murray vs.

02:37:32.000 a host of other motherfuckers that he just slept with one punch. 1.00

02:37:36.000 Like Amir Renovati, he slept him. 1.00

02:37:37.000 So many guys.

02:37:38.000 He was a sniper.

02:37:40.000 He had a piston of a right hand.

02:37:42.000 That guy, different breed. 1.00

02:37:43.000 He's an animal! 1.00

02:37:44.000 I mean, psychopath. 1.00

02:37:45.000 Well, he's in jail right now listening to this podcast. 0.82

02:37:47.000 He listens to the podcast.

02:37:48.000 Is he Morocco?

02:37:49.000 Yes.

02:37:49.000 Well, I think he's still in Morocco, yeah.

02:37:51.000 Probably living in a castle.

02:37:53.000 They probably got like a little manhole in his gym.

02:37:55.000 Or in his cage, rather.

02:37:58.000 Didn't he get some chick pregnant? 1.00

02:37:59.000 Yeah, he got a girl pregnant while he was in the cage.

02:38:01.000 While he was in prison. 0.99

02:38:02.000 He probably has like a little manhole and he opens it up and it's like fucking Saddam Hussein's palace underneath the gym. 1.00

02:38:07.000 He's a crazy criminal character. 0.99

02:38:09.000 But he was an excellent fighter in his day. 0.94

02:38:12.000 A very dangerous striker.

02:38:13.000 And Anderson Silva just ran it on him.

02:38:17.000 And the way he attacked him so systematically and took his legs out from under him. 0.98

02:38:22.000 And Anderson just fought brilliantly and also showed a fucking world-class chin. 0.93

02:38:26.000 Which is interesting because this is the first time we've really seen Anderson staggered and hurt and stopped. 0.97

02:38:32.000 It's never happened before.

02:38:34.000 And it's such a cliche.

02:38:36.000 It's the shot you didn't expect.

02:38:37.000 It's so cliche, but even on a great fighter like Anderson...

02:38:42.000 I mean, even on a great fighter like Anderson, it's so hard to believe, but it's a shot that you didn't expect.

02:38:46.000 And perfectly landed, point of the chin, legs go, that's it.

02:38:51.000 Lights are out.

02:38:52.000 Amazing.

02:38:52.000 But it's also, I think, in a way, it's poetic that he's the guy who got caught that way.

02:38:59.000 Because as much as I'm a huge Anderson Silva fan, and I'll never not be, the guy was like a human highlight reel of excellence.

02:39:07.000 That's how I would describe Anderson Silva's career.

02:39:09.000 Perfection.

02:39:10.000 Perfection.

02:39:12.000 But it's good for young guys to see.

02:39:14.000 It's good for young guys coming up to go, okay, that can happen even to that guy.

02:39:18.000 You can't do that.

02:39:19.000 That can happen even...

02:39:20.000 But you can do that, though.

02:39:21.000 Sometimes you can do it.

02:39:23.000 Only for so long.

02:39:25.000 Yeah, it depends on who you're fighting, too, and what's the circumstance, you know?

02:39:30.000 You know what fight I'm looking forward to, man? 0.97

02:39:32.000 It's fucking two this weekend. 0.99

02:39:34.000 Uriah Hall and John Doomsday Howard. 0.99

02:39:37.000 Oh, they're going to slug it out. 1.00

02:39:39.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

02:39:40.000 They are going to beat the crap out of each other. 1.00

02:39:42.000 People who don't know, if you don't remember John Howard, and you've seen Uriah Hall from Tough, who just had some of the most wicked knockouts in the history of the fucking competition. 0.91

02:39:53.000 The Ultimate Fighter is like, the highlight reel of the Ultimate Fighter, without a doubt, at the top is Uriah Hall.

02:39:58.000 Oh, by far.

02:39:58.000 Without a doubt.

02:39:59.000 That wheel kick KO, the right hand to make it into the finals. 1.00

02:40:03.000 I mean, he's a fucking monster, man. 0.99

02:40:05.000 He is really tough. 1.00

02:40:06.000 His striking is so, but, You know who throws fucking hammers? 0.99

02:40:11.000 Doomsday. 0.99

02:40:12.000 John Howard throws hammers!

02:40:14.000 And he's a good Muay Thai striker.

02:40:15.000 He's real good.

02:40:16.000 He's going to be able to do that.

02:40:17.000 And I think it's...

02:40:18.000 Ah, man.

02:40:19.000 That's a tough call.

02:40:20.000 I'm going to have to go with Uriah, I think.

02:40:22.000 But, I mean, if anyone's going to end up...

02:40:25.000 Spoiling that party, it's gonna be Howard by Vicious.

02:40:27.000 Well, you know, Howard is also only like 5'7".

02:40:30.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying, he's short.

02:40:31.000 Yeah, it's interesting. 1.00

02:40:32.000 I wonder, I mean, he's a thick motherfucker. 0.99

02:40:35.000 There's some guys that, especially as they get older in their career, they actually do better when they go up in weight. 0.99

02:40:41.000 I wonder if that's going to be the case, or I wonder if he can carry that power, that 170 power. 0.99

02:40:46.000 That motherfucker carries that power no matter what. 1.00

02:40:48.000 He hits so hard. 1.00

02:40:50.000 He's got that kind of hit hard where it doesn't matter if he goes up a weight class. 1.00

02:40:54.000 It's probably the guys are going to be able to absorb it better, but he throws some stupid one-punch power. 0.99

02:41:01.000 Hall's got a very diverse game, too, though. 1.00

02:41:03.000 Hall does a lot of wild shit. 0.99

02:41:06.000 Yeah, that's a very... 1.00

02:41:07.000 Because when you get a guy that's very Muay Thai, you know, sometimes that random shit's either going to work really well or it's going to get you in some trouble and you're going to take a fucking beating. 0.99

02:41:18.000 That's true, right? 0.99

02:41:19.000 If you miss and you slip and your back is turned and...

02:41:21.000 You're just going to get bludgeoned.

02:41:23.000 Especially if you can catch your legs.

02:41:24.000 I think that it's interesting.

02:41:26.000 It's an interesting thing because Uriah obviously has a lot of Muay Thai skills as well, but he also has a lot of traditional karate style, taekwondo style techniques.

02:41:36.000 It's always interesting when you see the clash of those two.

02:41:39.000 I was actually just talking to Leota's brother on the way back from the fight to the hotel, and it was kind of awkward.

02:41:48.000 He's like, so who do you think won? 0.99

02:41:50.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:41:50.000 And I was like, honestly, that fight sucked. 1.00

02:41:54.000 It wasn't the best fight, but I enjoyed it.

02:41:56.000 I wouldn't say that fight sucked.

02:41:58.000 I didn't like it very much, because I think that...

02:42:03.000 Neither of them did enough to really win that much.

02:42:06.000 It was a toss-up.

02:42:07.000 It was just not exciting to me. 1.00

02:42:09.000 Oh, you're so crazy. 0.98

02:42:10.000 I thought it was very exciting. 1.00

02:42:13.000 Oh, you're so crazy, Ian McCombs! 0.98

02:42:14.000 It was just one of those things. 0.99

02:42:16.000 It had flashes of brilliance.

02:42:18.000 Both guys are awesome.

02:42:18.000 I like both guys a lot.

02:42:20.000 It just was a bad matchup.

02:42:21.000 It didn't work out well.

02:42:22.000 You know what I think?

02:42:23.000 I think that...

02:42:25.000 It wasn't as exciting as it could have been because not a lot of action took place.

02:42:30.000 But to me, it was very entertaining because I was watching a puzzle take place.

02:42:34.000 That's true.

02:42:34.000 And I was watching it trying to be solved.

02:42:36.000 I was watching Phil Davis try to hit the takedown.

02:42:38.000 I was watching Leota try to defend and land shots.

02:42:41.000 And Phil Davis landing shots of his own.

02:42:43.000 And it's interesting, if it was just a kickboxing match, I'd be curious to see how it would have gone down.

02:42:49.000 But you throw in the wrestling, and Davis accounted himself very well on the feet, which I think surprised a lot of people.

02:42:56.000 You look at the way Machida knocked out Ryan Bader.

02:42:59.000 You look at the way Machida knocked out Tiago Silva. 0.97

02:43:02.000 Machida's used that sniping style on some really highly skilled strikers and fucked them up.

02:43:07.000 Especially the Tiago Silva fight. 0.93

02:43:09.000 I mean, whew!

02:43:11.000 And Bader, man, he caught him with that one punch coming in. 0.99

02:43:13.000 I mean, he's a bad motherfucker as far as his counters, and Phil Davis didn't really take any of them full clip. 0.98

02:43:19.000 You know, he avoided, he took some shots, but he rolled with a lot of them. 0.99

02:43:23.000 He had good defense, took a good shot, showed good chin.

02:43:26.000 He never was squared up.

02:43:28.000 He was constantly moving back and forth and had good head movement.

02:43:32.000 But, you know, I think Machida landed more strikes.

02:43:35.000 Oh, yeah.

02:43:35.000 You know, so it becomes a matter of what's more important.

02:43:37.000 Is the takedown more important?

02:43:39.000 But when you hit a takedown, how much damage was actually accomplished during a takedown?

02:43:43.000 Exactly.

02:43:44.000 Do you feel like there's, like, an overhaul that needs to be done of the scoring?

02:43:48.000 Oh, yeah.

02:43:48.000 They definitely need to figure this out, because...

02:43:51.000 There's been so many, I mean, put my shitty call aside, I mean, there's been so many that are bad.

02:43:56.000 I mean, they need to have, maybe it's a scoring system, where a takedown is this much, you know, but it just has to be thought over by a big group of people to just figure out every angle, you know?

02:44:10.000 And because... 0.84

02:44:11.000 People are going to keep on getting screwed no matter what.

02:44:13.000 And for folks who don't understand, again, we talked about, if you're not a fan of the sport, the state athletic commission is the one who choose the judges.

02:44:22.000 And, you know, the rules are in place essentially like piggyback from boxing.

02:44:27.000 They took the 10-9 system.

02:44:29.000 It's a one- A fighter, if they win, they get 10 points.

02:44:33.000 If they lose the round, they get 9 points.

02:44:35.000 And the difference is, in a boxing match, there's 10-9, and then there's 10-8 if there's a knockdown.

02:44:40.000 It's easier to define.

02:44:41.000 10-7 if there's two knockdowns.

02:44:43.000 It's pretty easy to define.

02:44:44.000 It's very rare that a fighter gets knocked down but wins the round.

02:44:47.000 Whereas in MMA... You're dealing with a longer round and you're dealing with all these other variables.

02:44:52.000 Kicks and takedowns and near submission attempts.

02:44:54.000 If a guy peppers a guy with strikes and then he gets taken down but absolutely nothing happens while he's on the ground.

02:45:03.000 He just ties the guy up.

02:45:04.000 How much damage does he take and is it equal to all the punches that he landed before he was taken down?

02:45:10.000 It becomes a weird situation of, like, what's worth more?

02:45:13.000 Forcing the fight into the area where the fighter wants it, whether it's through a takedown, or forcing the fight by standing up and landing strikes.

02:45:19.000 By stopping the takedown.

02:45:20.000 Right.

02:45:21.000 What is more, what's worth more?

02:45:22.000 Is it a, you know, a takedown, or defending yourself and attacking from the guard and getting a near submission?

02:45:27.000 Yeah.

02:45:27.000 Like, if a guy takes you down, but you almost get him in a triangle, like...

02:45:30.000 Hmm.

02:45:31.000 Does a judge really know how to score that correctly?

02:45:33.000 It gets tricky, right?

02:45:34.000 Especially not some random person who got their job just because they know someone who works there.

02:45:40.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they teach them some stuff, but my take on it has always been there's so many fans out there that would love that gig.

02:45:46.000 And they're like huge fans of MMA and would do a good job.

02:45:50.000 A much better job.

02:45:51.000 Yeah.

02:45:52.000 I think it should be like a Yelp thing.

02:45:53.000 An internet Yelp thing.

02:45:54.000 We should do that at the UFC from now on.

02:45:56.000 We should do online vote.

02:45:57.000 Give them an opportunity for an online MetroPCS vote.

02:46:02.000 MetroPCS.

02:46:02.000 Let's make this happen.

02:46:03.000 Maybe a Bud Light vote.

02:46:04.000 Bud Light doesn't like us anymore.

02:46:05.000 The Culinary Union got rid of him.

02:46:07.000 I think it's Bud Light.

02:46:08.000 Is it Miller?

02:46:09.000 Whoever it was.

02:46:10.000 I don't know.

02:46:11.000 Overeem and Brown is this weekend too, man.

02:46:14.000 I want Travis to win because I'm friends with him.

02:46:18.000 But...

02:46:20.000 Can he...

02:46:21.000 I mean... 0.64

02:46:22.000 Overeem's too cocky.

02:46:24.000 You know, maybe...

02:46:25.000 You know, we saw that in the Silva fight.

02:46:27.000 He got knocked out.

02:46:28.000 He's a better fighter, technically, than I think just about anyone in the heavyweight division, if you break down just about each aspect.

02:46:34.000 But...

02:46:35.000 I don't know if he's lazy or what it is.

02:46:37.000 Does he gas out?

02:46:38.000 There's something wrong with him.

02:46:40.000 I think he also has to deal with his hormones.

02:46:43.000 There's a reality of that.

02:46:45.000 Let's be honest here.

02:46:46.000 You can't not talk about that.

02:46:47.000 He had a completely different shape to his body when he came back after testing positive for testosterone.

02:46:55.000 When you do that, I have no reason to believe that he didn't accidentally get this injection by this doctor who was going to fix his shoulder. 0.97

02:47:05.000 It might have happened that way, you know, or it might have been that in Pride and in these other organizations in K1, you could get away with doing things, and then when you get off those things, the problem is your body doesn't exactly know what the fuck can do. 0.95

02:47:16.000 Exactly. 0.94

02:47:17.000 Because your testosterone is really low, and so he tested, like, really low for his last fight against Bigfoot.

02:47:22.000 Yeah.

02:47:22.000 Like, almost in, like, a dangerous area.

02:47:24.000 Like, ooh, that's a professional athlete, and this is, like, really low.

02:47:27.000 And you're that big?

02:47:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:47:30.000 It's interesting and it's unfortunate because, man, you juice that dude up and he's a motherfucker. 1.00

02:47:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:47:35.000 He's crushing everyone. 0.99

02:47:36.000 When he was fighting Brock Lesnar, and I'm not saying he was juiced up, but let's just say, for instance, if he was juiced up then, god damn he looked good and scary. 0.88

02:47:43.000 Dude, that fight against Brock Lesnar, he ragdolled Lesnar. 0.93

02:47:47.000 He slammed those kicks into his body.

02:47:49.000 And he was kicking Lesnar when Lesnar was just like ultra wrestler. 0.99

02:47:52.000 He didn't give a fuck. 0.99

02:47:53.000 He was still slamming kicks into him. 1.00

02:47:54.000 Kicks and knees into his midsection. 0.87

02:47:56.000 Kneeing him in the clinch.

02:47:57.000 And Lesnar couldn't take him down.

02:47:59.000 You're like, how is this possible?

02:48:00.000 Two 300 pound guys that were just clubbing each other like that.

02:48:03.000 Dude, whatever he was on, let's say he was on nothing.

02:48:06.000 Yeah.

02:48:07.000 Whatever, that shape that he was in back then, that's the scary Overeem.

02:48:11.000 Yes, it is.

02:48:11.000 That's the Overeem that everybody thought was going to be the greatest heavyweight of all time.

02:48:15.000 Just wicked ground game, submits Vitor Belfort, wins the Abu Dhabi Trials. 1.00

02:48:20.000 I mean, he's a motherfucker. 0.99

02:48:21.000 He won the Europeans as a grappler, just a straight grappler. 1.00

02:48:25.000 That's a big fucking fight, man. 0.98

02:48:27.000 You know what else is a big fight? 0.99

02:48:31.000 Travis, excuse me, Matt Brown versus Mike Pyle.

02:48:35.000 That's another very interesting fight.

02:48:36.000 That's a good fight.

02:48:37.000 I'm going to go with Mike.

02:48:39.000 Yeah?

02:48:39.000 Yeah.

02:48:40.000 I think Pyle's too crafty?

02:48:41.000 Yeah, that's exactly what I think it is.

02:48:43.000 I think that Brown's good.

02:48:44.000 I mean, he's obviously been here forever for a reason, but I think that Pyle's too crafty.

02:48:49.000 He'll end up getting him with something. 1.00

02:48:51.000 Pyle's a crafty motherfucker. 1.00

02:48:52.000 He's an underdog, man. 1.00

02:48:54.000 Not in this fight, necessarily.

02:48:56.000 I'm sure he probably is listed as an underdog with Matt Brown coming off his last fight.

02:49:00.000 But I mean, in that division, he's like a dark horse.

02:49:02.000 He could beat a lot of the top guys. 1.00

02:49:04.000 And everybody that trains with Mike Pyle will tell you that Mike Pyle in the gym is this motherfucker. 1.00

02:49:10.000 Even guys that have beaten him, he fucking trounces in the gym. 0.99

02:49:14.000 It's like he's sort of coming into his own as a fighter. 0.97

02:49:18.000 And he's had a long career already.

02:49:19.000 But Matt Brown is a special kind of savage.

02:49:22.000 Yes. 1.00

02:49:22.000 There's a darkness to that man's heart when he fucking comes after dudes. 1.00

02:49:27.000 You can smell the devil in the room when he's beating on dudes. 0.99

02:49:31.000 I'm telling you, man, that fight with Jordan Meehan, that was a fight to the death.

02:49:36.000 That was a fight to the death, man.

02:49:37.000 I'm trying to think if I saw that fight.

02:49:38.000 That was an incredible fight. 0.99

02:49:40.000 Incredible fucking fight. 0.99

02:49:41.000 He went after Mian, and Mian is a tough, talented kid. 1.00

02:49:45.000 He's fucking good. 0.99

02:49:47.000 And Matt Brown put a salt on him. 1.00

02:49:50.000 You smell the devil. 0.99

02:49:51.000 You smell just wisp of brimstone as he's beating the fuck out of this dude. 0.99

02:49:55.000 You're like, this guy, there's a certain fury that that dude brings into the cage. 0.80

02:50:00.000 He's got that instinct.

02:50:02.000 He's got that wants to wear your skin kind of thing. 1.00

02:50:05.000 All these fucking dudes that went through rehab. 0.99

02:50:08.000 What is about... 1.00

02:50:10.000 I didn't know he went through rehab.

02:50:11.000 Oh, yeah, man.

02:50:12.000 He had also some similar near-death experiences with drugs, I believe.

02:50:15.000 Why is Rory McDonald so weird?

02:50:16.000 Oh, he's got his own issues, man.

02:50:18.000 He's got his own issues.

02:50:20.000 But think about Court McGee, another one.

02:50:25.000 Same sort of situation.

02:50:26.000 That dude's fierce, man. 0.99

02:50:28.000 Court McGee is a bad motherfucker, and he doesn't get tired, man. 0.99

02:50:32.000 No, he never gets tired. 1.00

02:50:33.000 He keeps coming.

02:50:34.000 Speaking of elevation training, there you go.

02:50:36.000 Elevation with weight vests running hills. 1.00

02:50:39.000 The fucking dude runs miles with a weight vest on. 1.00

02:50:42.000 He doesn't get tired. 1.00

02:50:42.000 He's a tank. 1.00

02:50:43.000 Yeah, he's a scary dude, and it's the same thing.

02:50:45.000 These dudes that go through crazy adversity, even if it's self-imposed adversity, like drugs.

02:50:50.000 You guys have been to the other side.

02:50:52.000 Is that what it is?

02:50:53.000 Yeah.

02:50:54.000 I don't ever want to go back.

02:50:56.000 Well, you have had like a near-death experience.

02:50:58.000 I died.

02:51:00.000 But I mean you didn't.

02:51:01.000 I got hit with like three EpiPens in the paddles.

02:51:04.000 Did you see aliens?

02:51:06.000 No, there was no light.

02:51:07.000 I woke up in the hospital with my brother just shaking his head at me.

02:51:09.000 Whoa.

02:51:10.000 So you didn't know anything.

02:51:11.000 And this was a real overdose.

02:51:13.000 This wasn't like, oh, I overdosed and they'd let me out that night.

02:51:16.000 No, I was in the hospital for a week.

02:51:18.000 Whoa.

02:51:19.000 Like I aspirated, like I had pneumonia, like I actually was dead and they brought me back.

02:51:23.000 Was it pills?

02:51:24.000 Yeah, it was a mix of pills and alcohol and more pills and this other pills and some GHB and some... 0.99

02:51:30.000 God damn. 0.99

02:51:31.000 And I was sober for a while, and I just used me getting a tattoo as an excuse to get fucked up. 0.99

02:51:40.000 I remember parts of it, and then I remember waking up in the hospital with one of my friends, and I don't know how the hell she got there. 0.64

02:51:51.000 Still to this day, I never even asked.

02:51:52.000 Dude, you should stop your story right now and make the rest of it up and write a book about what I learned on the other side.

02:51:58.000 How many dudes get to go to the other side? 1.00

02:52:00.000 Just make a dope book about it. 1.00

02:52:02.000 Make some shit up. 1.00

02:52:05.000 I saw the light. 1.00

02:52:06.000 You can do it.

02:52:06.000 You've been to heaven.

02:52:07.000 You came back, man. 1.00

02:52:09.000 You can tell us some shit. 1.00

02:52:10.000 Just make some shit up. 1.00

02:52:10.000 It's true. 1.00

02:52:12.000 Don't tell anybody.

02:52:13.000 Okay, so you really want to know what happened?

02:52:15.000 Do you feel like that you have a second chance at life?

02:52:19.000 Yeah, definitely feel like I have a second chance.

02:52:22.000 Did it feel like that, like tangibly?

02:52:24.000 Like, wow, I gotta get this thing right. 0.97

02:52:28.000 No, because I still fucked up after that. 0.85

02:52:32.000 Honestly, I still dropped the ball a couple times after that. 0.97

02:52:35.000 Are you running out of time?

02:52:36.000 Is it three minutes left?

02:52:39.000 I'm a constant threat to myself.

02:52:40.000 Oh, please get it together, dude.

02:52:42.000 You're such a fun guy to have around, man.

02:52:43.000 I'm a work in progress.

02:52:45.000 I love underdog stories.

02:52:47.000 I love when a dude pulls it out. 0.88

02:52:49.000 Like, you fucked it up in the beginning. 0.94

02:52:53.000 Gets it on track. 0.98

02:52:54.000 I love those stories.

02:52:55.000 Because I think they're beneficial for everybody.

02:52:58.000 I think I'm not a perfect person.

02:53:00.000 I've never been a perfect person. 0.99

02:53:01.000 I've made a lot of fucking mistakes. 0.98

02:53:03.000 And I think in talking about mistakes... 1.00

02:53:05.000 Not only do I get some jokes and relief out of them, other people, you can realize, oh, he sucked at life too.

02:53:13.000 It's therapy for me to be able to explain my story.

02:53:18.000 You're taking it to a whole new level is what I'm trying to say. 0.99

02:53:21.000 It's like my story is fucking ridiculous compared to yours. 1.00

02:53:24.000 I mean, you fucking died, dude. 1.00

02:53:25.000 That's about as fucked up as you can get. 1.00

02:53:28.000 You fucked up so bad, your body said, we fucking quit! 1.00

02:53:31.000 And then science came along and... 1.00

02:53:34.000 Shock this dummy back to life. 0.88

02:53:35.000 We need him around. 0.97

02:53:37.000 Well, look, man.

02:53:37.000 Look at that.

02:53:38.000 You die, and then you come back and have some awesome fights.

02:53:40.000 Yeah, I'm back.

02:53:40.000 It's amazing.

02:53:41.000 Dude, let's do this again.

02:53:42.000 Let's do it.

02:53:43.000 Let's do it more often.

02:53:44.000 I live close enough where I'll head up here.

02:53:46.000 Close enough.

02:53:47.000 I'll drive a faster car next time.

02:53:48.000 That's what you've got to deal with it. 1.00

02:53:49.000 You need a helicopter, bitch. 1.00

02:53:51.000 Maserati's not fast enough. 1.00

02:53:52.000 Listen, congratulations on all your progress and thank you very much.

02:53:55.000 It's been a lot of fun.

02:53:56.000 You can follow him on Twitter.

02:53:58.000 It's Uncle Creepy MMA on Twitter and Uncle Creepy MMA on Instagram as well.

02:54:04.000 I tagged it in a picture I took of us earlier today.

02:54:08.000 Thanks, man.

02:54:09.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:54:09.000 It was fun.

02:54:10.000 Thank you.

02:54:10.000 Thanks, everybody.

02:54:11.000 Thanks to our sponsors, Stamps.com, LegalZoom, Onnit. 0.98

02:54:16.000 Yeah, you know the fucking deal, folks. 0.99

02:54:18.000 Don't have to tell you. 0.99

02:54:19.000 Go to the beginning of the podcast if you want to know the codes. 0.99

02:54:22.000 See ya, bitches! 1.00

02:54:23.000 We'll be back next week with all sorts of goodies. 0.96

02:54:28.000 Much love to you all, and I'll see you guys in Boston this weekend.

02:54:31.000 Whoop, whoop! 1.00

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 13, 2013

Joe Rogan Experience #384 - Ian McCall

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