The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #399 - Buck Angel

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00:03:59.000 better problem solving.

00:04:00.000 It's really kind of interesting. 0.97

00:04:02.000 I just started fucking around with it, and I feel exactly the same. 0.97

00:04:05.000 I'm not going to lie to you. 0.99

00:04:06.000 But it's early.

00:04:07.000 I mean, I'm a thick-headed dude.

00:04:10.000 It's going to take some time to make me smarter.

00:04:12.000 But I'm into it.

00:04:13.000 And it's interesting.

00:04:15.000 And if you go there, say that you heard it from me, Joe Rogan.

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00:04:24.000 Is there one for men and one for women?

00:04:26.000 I don't think so.

00:04:27.000 I do not think so.

00:04:28.000 I think it's entirely better, which is probably a good idea, right?

00:04:32.000 Because men and women's minds have been proving scientifically to function better.

00:04:37.000 And who would know better than you?

00:04:39.000 Exactly.

00:04:40.000 Both sides of the coin. 0.99

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00:04:48.000 It's interesting.

00:04:49.000 I'm using it.

00:04:50.000 Like I told you guys that I would update you along the way.

00:04:53.000 And like I said, I'm not any smarter.

00:04:55.000 I'm exactly the same.

00:04:56.000 At least I don't think I am.

00:04:57.000 I think it would take time.

00:04:58.000 Maybe I am.

00:04:59.000 Maybe you think I am.

00:05:00.000 Maybe you're going, Joe, you're being hard on yourself.

00:05:02.000 You feel smarter already this show.

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00:08:00.000 This weekend I'm at the Ontario Improv. 0.99

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00:08:48.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:08:54.000 What's that you're saying?

00:08:55.000 That's serious, like, stuff we have to talk about.

00:08:58.000 Like, your sponsorship is awesome.

00:09:00.000 They're serious?

00:09:00.000 I mean, you know what I mean?

00:09:01.000 You have so much sponsorship.

00:09:03.000 It's awesome.

00:09:04.000 Yeah, there's a lot of sponsorship.

00:09:05.000 Too much, probably.

00:09:06.000 We're probably whoring it out right now. 1.00

00:09:07.000 Probably hitting the whore threshold. 1.00

00:09:09.000 You have to do it, though. 0.99

00:09:10.000 Well, it helps.

00:09:12.000 It motivates you to do things, too.

00:09:14.000 But it's all good stuff.

00:09:15.000 Yeah, it's all good stuff.

00:09:16.000 We make sure of that.

00:09:17.000 I've definitely turned down more things than I've accepted for podcast sponsors because there's a lot of them that are sketchy or weird websites.

00:09:25.000 Well, you believe in your products, right?

00:09:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:29.000 Everything that we have, I use.

00:09:30.000 Right.

00:09:31.000 That's the point.

00:09:32.000 Yeah.

00:09:32.000 Or if I wouldn't use, I believe.

00:09:34.000 That I would use it.

00:09:35.000 If I had a situation, like stamps.com, I don't use it, but if it came up, I'd use it.

00:09:39.000 Or the website builder.

00:09:41.000 Exactly.

00:09:42.000 Well, hey man, thanks for doing this.

00:09:45.000 I really appreciate it.

00:09:46.000 Appreciate you coming by.

00:09:46.000 No, it's really cool for you to have me on.

00:09:48.000 You know that.

00:09:48.000 Is it?

00:09:49.000 You know how cool it is.

00:09:51.000 I try not to.

00:09:53.000 I try not to be aware of how cool anything is.

00:09:56.000 You just stay as mellow as possible.

00:10:00.000 Some people are very scared of you, so they won't go there.

00:10:03.000 Ah, man, you know what?

00:10:04.000 I think people are more scared of themselves than they are of other things.

00:10:06.000 Clearly.

00:10:07.000 But they don't admit it.

00:10:08.000 Yeah, well, there's a lot of that going on, right?

00:10:11.000 That's a weird thing with humans.

00:10:14.000 First of all, we're all afraid of the great beyond.

00:10:16.000 We're afraid of the abyss at the end of this journey, which we will all face. 0.97

00:10:20.000 Everybody's fucking terrified of that. 0.79

00:10:21.000 And in being terrified of that, you also open yourself up to a series of other terrors. 0.98

00:10:27.000 That you accept because you have the primary terror that's always tick-tocking.

00:10:30.000 And you don't want to think about that primary terror.

00:10:32.000 So you ignore that primary terror with a series of other terrors. 0.95

00:10:36.000 Whether it's you're worried about homos or immigrants or blacks or Mexicans or Canadians or Russians. 0.99

00:10:44.000 It's always them. 0.99

00:10:45.000 It's always them.

00:10:46.000 It's always someone who wants to take my guns or someone who has guns.

00:10:50.000 You know, it's either someone who's moving into the neighborhood or...

00:10:56.000 Put that wallet.

00:10:58.000 I mean, there's also the problem of there's too much information coming at us on a daily basis.

00:11:03.000 You know, there's fucking seven billion people on this planet, and we're just inundated with horror stories, like all throughout the globe, constantly, every day. 0.99

00:11:11.000 The grossest shit is the shit that we're going to pay attention to the most. 1.00

00:11:15.000 The most horrifying stories in the news are the ones that we're gonna, they're gonna get the most clicks. 1.00

00:11:21.000 So, you know, the old adage, if it bleeds, it leads.

00:11:24.000 But I think people are interested in that.

00:11:26.000 That's why they do that.

00:11:27.000 Because people get excited to hear, like, that crazy bad news, or else it wouldn't be the number one news.

00:11:33.000 Well, I think it's because it's a part of our past, you know, and it's also like what got us to be in 2013 in the first place is by being scared of everything and staying alive, you know, breeding, keeping moving, staying alive, being terrified of anything that can hurt you.

00:11:49.000 But these things can't really hurt us.

00:11:51.000 They could hurt us if we're there, but we're not there.

00:11:53.000 We're not right next to the volcano as it goes off.

00:11:56.000 We're on the other side of the planet.

00:11:57.000 Yeah, but they're touching on that fear.

00:11:59.000 And then that fear comes up with whatever you just said, any of those above-mentioned things, and then all of a sudden you're like, ah!

00:12:06.000 Yeah.

00:12:06.000 Right?

00:12:07.000 I mean, I kind of did that when I moved out of the United States, I'll be honest with you.

00:12:09.000 Boy, I would imagine so.

00:12:11.000 I kind of did.

00:12:11.000 Yeah, I was going to ask you if we could talk about that, because I didn't know if you wanted to...

00:12:14.000 Oh, totally.

00:12:14.000 Yeah, I wanted to...

00:12:15.000 You're living in Mexico now. 0.99

00:12:16.000 I live in the Yucatan in Mexico.

00:12:18.000 That's pretty dope.

00:12:18.000 What happened?

00:12:19.000 Wow.

00:12:19.000 Well, I mean, I was living in New Orleans, and Hurricane Katrina hit, remember?

00:12:23.000 Yeah.

00:12:24.000 Katrina?

00:12:24.000 I was really disappointed with the way that things were going.

00:12:28.000 And I really just saw, like, do I live in this country?

00:12:30.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:12:32.000 I'm an American.

00:12:32.000 I'm totally cool with that.

00:12:34.000 I like being American.

00:12:35.000 But I was really having a hard time with the government and just everything that was happening.

00:12:39.000 That really kind of set me off.

00:12:41.000 And I was like, what is going on in this country?

00:12:43.000 And I just started looking for other places to live because I just saw a future that was not going to be positive for me.

00:12:50.000 And what did you see that was positive about Mexico?

00:12:53.000 Well, the Yucatan, what I felt was that I could go live there and nobody really...

00:12:57.000 I felt...

00:12:58.000 First off, my work in the adult entertainment business was being attacked by the Bush administration.

00:13:02.000 Right.

00:13:02.000 Not a lot of people really know that situation.

00:13:05.000 Yeah, did you freak out when, like, Max Hardcore got arrested and went to jail?

00:13:09.000 Totally.

00:13:09.000 That was scary to me, and I'm not a pornographer.

00:13:12.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:13.000 Thank you for saying that.

00:13:14.000 Because even though you're not a pornographer, that's still something that could affect you in the long run.

00:13:19.000 Well, not only that, it's like, I don't like what he does. 0.99

00:13:23.000 I don't like, I've seen some of the videos, it's mean, it's nasty, cruel, weird, torture-type shit. 1.00

00:13:30.000 I've seen, he opened up this girl's ass and pissed in it and stuck a straw in it and made her drink out of it. 1.00

00:13:35.000 It's like, it was so, it's so... 1.00

00:13:38.000 It's gone.

00:13:39.000 It is.

00:13:39.000 I don't like it.

00:13:40.000 You know, I mean, I think it's creepy and the guy's a creep for doing it, but whatever.

00:13:44.000 But there's a...

00:13:45.000 Here you have to understand, though, he's a businessman, right?

00:13:48.000 Yeah.

00:13:48.000 And so he's, like, feeding the customer.

00:13:52.000 I agree with you in the fact that it's not my thing either.

00:13:55.000 Right.

00:13:55.000 But I'm not going to judge.

00:13:56.000 Right.

00:13:56.000 I don't like to judge.

00:13:57.000 I don't like to judge either, man.

00:13:59.000 It's like I was having this conversation with a friend of mine about...

00:14:05.000 Totally.

00:14:10.000 Totally.

00:14:12.000 Totally.

00:14:22.000 There's people that love it.

00:14:23.000 They live for it.

00:14:24.000 They take pictures on Twitter of their rope marks on their wrists.

00:14:27.000 No, they live for it.

00:14:27.000 Yeah, they love it.

00:14:28.000 They like getting tied up. 0.51

00:14:29.000 They like getting abused.

00:14:31.000 There's people that actually enjoy it.

00:14:33.000 And, you know, I guess maybe it's a fantasy thing for some of them.

00:14:37.000 But it's consensual.

00:14:37.000 Exactly.

00:14:38.000 That's the key that people need to understand.

00:14:40.000 It's consenting between two adults.

00:14:43.000 Yeah, so when you get to that weird area where someone is sort of like deciding what's moral and immoral, it's so subjective.

00:14:52.000 Clearly it is.

00:14:53.000 I mean, I have played those kind of games.

00:14:55.000 I'm very into that, this leather scene and playing...

00:14:58.000 Certain kinds of games, but you have to understand it's me and that other adult saying, this is what we want.

00:15:04.000 Most of the time it's negotiated.

00:15:06.000 I would never do something that you didn't want me to do to you or vice versa, right?

00:15:10.000 It seems twisted, but it's twisted in our own kind of fun way. 0.92

00:15:14.000 Yeah, and what the fuck is wrong with that?

00:15:17.000 That's a weird thing to decide that there's something wrong with two people doing what they want to do that doesn't even involve you. 0.76

00:15:23.000 Thanks for saying that.

00:15:24.000 But it's weird that there's a certain group of people that will just openly do that, that will openly try to stop people from marrying each other just because they're the same sex.

00:15:36.000 Religion in this country? 0.90

00:15:37.000 It certainly does.

00:15:38.000 Organized religion, I need to say.

00:15:39.000 It certainly does.

00:15:40.000 Yes.

00:15:40.000 And what does that embrace?

00:15:42.000 That embraces the fear.

00:15:43.000 There we go.

00:15:44.000 The great answer of the fear.

00:15:46.000 The fear at the great end of the abyss.

00:15:48.000 And if you don't do what we're going to do, we're going to tell you to do, rather, you're going to burn an internal inferno.

00:15:53.000 I'm already there.

00:15:54.000 An internal inferno.

00:15:56.000 Eternal inferno.

00:15:58.000 Are you, though?

00:15:59.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:16:00.000 It's impossible.

00:16:01.000 No.

00:16:02.000 They're there.

00:16:02.000 They're there while they promote it.

00:16:04.000 That's the real hell.

00:16:05.000 But it's a strange thing to do to people.

00:16:06.000 I really think that fear and that, like, if you don't listen to what we have to do...

00:16:10.000 But the fact that so many millions of people get sucked into it, what's that?

00:16:15.000 I have theories.

00:16:16.000 Okay.

00:16:16.000 My big one is that...

00:16:18.000 Religion and language itself is essentially like a pit stop on the way to the unification of the human minds and that we still can lie. 0.98

00:16:28.000 And that's a real issue.

00:16:29.000 And we also understand what is convincing.

00:16:33.000 We understand when words come across well.

00:16:36.000 So because you can tell me a true story and it can move me and you can get a very powerful reaction out of me, Right.

00:17:05.000 It's basically, if we're honest, you're explaining to me and I'm kind of getting a sense through the words and the definitions that I've got in my head of those words.

00:17:14.000 I'm kind of getting a sense of what you're saying.

00:17:16.000 So I'm reading and you can tell me stories about your past.

00:17:18.000 You can express to me how you feel about things currently.

00:17:21.000 You can see it from your point of view, as long as you're being honest.

00:17:25.000 But when you start all of a sudden realizing that you don't have to be honest and then realizing that you can kind of manipulate things.

00:17:32.000 What is the quintessential preacher?

00:17:34.000 It's a fire and brimstone man who speaks like no one you know.

00:17:39.000 Someone who speaks from the word of God and stands on that stage and knows, looks you in the eye, and the spirit of the Lord moves me.

00:17:45.000 And they talk like a way that you never talk.

00:17:47.000 And it's so enforced and powerful that it's just a power thing.

00:17:52.000 It just becomes a power thing.

00:17:54.000 It becomes the ability to manipulate and to move people with these lies.

00:17:58.000 But it's a specific kind of person.

00:18:00.000 Yes.

00:18:00.000 Because I don't get manipulated by it, and neither do you.

00:18:02.000 Right.

00:18:03.000 But I could have.

00:18:03.000 I did when I was young.

00:18:05.000 When I was really young.

00:18:06.000 I mean, I went to Catholic school when I was in first grade, and that's what cured me of it. 0.96

00:18:10.000 I had an evil Catholic school nun and the school was just so dark and just a void of happiness. 1.00

00:18:18.000 There was no happiness.

00:18:19.000 It was empty.

00:18:20.000 It was just a depressing...

00:18:22.000 I mean, it made me worry about the future of life.

00:18:25.000 Like, before I went to that school, I was like a happy kid.

00:18:28.000 I thought that life was going to be fun. 0.99

00:18:30.000 And just one year with that cunt and all the other evil fucks that were running that school and just seeing kids get beat How old were you? 1.00

00:18:40.000 I was six. 1.00

00:18:41.000 First grade.

00:18:42.000 And you felt that at six years old?

00:18:44.000 Do you remember that?

00:18:44.000 Very clearly.

00:18:45.000 Wow. 1.00

00:18:45.000 Very clearly that religion was horseshit. 1.00

00:18:47.000 Wow. 1.00

00:18:48.000 Right away. 1.00

00:18:48.000 I was like, oh, this is all bullshit. 1.00

00:18:50.000 Like, this isn't real. 1.00

00:18:51.000 These are all crazy people. 0.97

00:18:52.000 Because I could tell being six. 1.00

00:18:54.000 That these were all just a bunch of maniacs. 0.98

00:18:56.000 This evil lady who liked to yell and scream at kids. 1.00

00:19:00.000 She used to scare the shit out of you. 1.00

00:19:02.000 Tell you that she's going to make you sit on a nail. 1.00

00:19:04.000 She's going to make you sit in a closet on a nail. 1.00

00:19:08.000 You better bring your pillow because you're going to sleep here.

00:19:11.000 You're never going home.

00:19:12.000 She knew you wanted to get out of there so she would torch you and tell you you're never going home. 1.00

00:19:18.000 See, that is weirdness.

00:19:20.000 That is like unconsensual S&M with children.

00:19:24.000 Yeah, it is.

00:19:24.000 That's a good way of looking at it.

00:19:27.000 Yeah, but I think it started out with that.

00:19:33.000 It probably started out, if you really think about how much is good in Christianity, love your brother, treat others as if they were yourself.

00:19:42.000 The core tenets of Christianity, about just the work of Jesus, how he always was with the dregs of society, and he didn't judge people at all, and he tried to heal the sick, all the things that are positive about it.

00:19:56.000 You've got to think that there's some basis in religion is like things that people learn that really connect you to the happy life, to the good life, which is the life of love, the life of caring for each other.

00:20:07.000 So they figured these things out, but then in writing them down, Back then, especially, it wasn't until the 1500s that people read the Bible on a regular basis.

00:20:17.000 Most people couldn't read it.

00:20:19.000 You had to be a scholar, or you had to be someone who understood Latin, or someone who could read Greek.

00:20:25.000 The people of...

00:20:26.000 The common folks of the 1500s.

00:20:29.000 That was what the big Martin Luther thing was about.

00:20:32.000 Martin Luther was the first guy to create a phonetic Bible that people could actually read.

00:20:37.000 And they were like, wait a minute, this is not what we thought it was.

00:20:40.000 And that's what spawned Lutherism.

00:20:42.000 Their view of the Bible was completely different than what they'd been taught.

00:20:47.000 And it made a huge issue because the church was trying to control who had access to that information.

00:20:52.000 Right.

00:20:53.000 Because if you had access to that information, you could tell people, hey, this is what God wants you to do, and you have to listen.

00:20:59.000 And now all of a sudden people were able to read it for themselves.

00:21:02.000 And so that took one layer of power away.

00:21:05.000 So what we're dealing with today is the most enlightened version of religion the world has ever known. 1.00

00:21:10.000 It's still a fucking crippled mess. 1.00

00:21:12.000 It's a total mess. 0.99

00:21:13.000 It's scary.

00:21:14.000 Yeah, it is scary.

00:21:15.000 It's what runs most of the world, really.

00:21:17.000 Yep.

00:21:17.000 It's just because most of the world hasn't caught up yet.

00:21:20.000 Just like there was no cell phones in most of the world two decades ago, I think two decades from now, the idea of religion is going to be way, way less common.

00:21:31.000 Way less common.

00:21:32.000 I hope so.

00:21:33.000 I'm almost positive.

00:21:34.000 It's not the idea of God.

00:21:35.000 The idea of God will probably be more common.

00:21:37.000 Yeah.

00:21:38.000 Because people kind of understand that the word God is real slippery.

00:21:42.000 You think, there's a dude in the clouds that's running everything.

00:21:46.000 But if you took that word away and just express it, not a person, not a thing, but is there an energy?

00:21:54.000 Is there an idea?

00:21:56.000 Is there an ideal way of living the world?

00:22:00.000 What would be the godly way?

00:22:02.000 The godly way would be almost exactly like they say in the Bible.

00:22:04.000 Well, that's what it's supposed to be like.

00:22:06.000 Yeah.

00:22:06.000 But they manipulated it.

00:22:08.000 Because why did they do that though?

00:22:09.000 I think because they wanted to start controlling the masses.

00:22:13.000 So they made it a different thing than really what it is. 0.98

00:22:15.000 It's also, how the fuck do you regulate people? 0.99

00:22:19.000 I'm sure, especially if you're a dumb person living a few hundred years ago, It's too hard to regulate people. 0.99

00:22:25.000 It's too hard to get... 0.98

00:22:25.000 You get a thousand people in a room and every one of them wants to be the king. 0.98

00:22:29.000 Right. 0.99

00:22:29.000 You know, like, who the fuck is gonna... 0.99

00:22:31.000 If you have some information, they're not gonna listen. 0.99

00:22:33.000 I got my own information.

00:22:34.000 I'm starting my...

00:22:34.000 Scientology!

00:22:36.000 It's the new one.

00:22:37.000 I got... 1.00

00:22:37.000 Over here we got Mormonism is the shit! 1.00

00:22:39.000 What you guys are doing... 1.00

00:22:40.000 You're trash! 1.00

00:22:41.000 Jesus wrote some new shit! 1.00

00:22:43.000 You know? 1.00

00:22:43.000 And there's always gonna be a new ego that wants to step to the center of the line and control the room. 1.00

00:22:48.000 And... 0.99

00:22:49.000 Because of that, it's almost like it was impossible to not have bullshit. 0.99

00:22:53.000 But if it wasn't for that religion, if it wasn't for a bunch of people that were put in line and scared, this is a terrible idea, but I think it's probably true. 1.00

00:23:03.000 I don't think we would have made it this far.

00:23:06.000 I think people would have been way more barbaric.

00:23:09.000 Like out of control.

00:23:10.000 Yes!

00:23:11.000 Unless, there's only two ways around it.

00:23:13.000 One is mushrooms.

00:23:14.000 If you gave people mushrooms, very young, from like an early day on, and that would probably eliminate a lot of the need for religion.

00:23:22.000 Well, like look at certain cultures in the world, like the Mayan people.

00:23:24.000 They used all of that kind of stuff.

00:23:26.000 I don't think that they were like, Freaking out on each other or had to do some major...

00:23:30.000 Actually, they freaked out each other a lot.

00:23:32.000 The Mayans?

00:23:33.000 Yeah, they did a lot of human sacrifice.

00:23:35.000 Both of them.

00:23:35.000 Well, yeah, but we're judging that, right?

00:23:39.000 We probably should.

00:23:40.000 We should do it now. 0.57

00:23:41.000 They killed the Aztecs when they built the pyramid of Teotihuacan, I think it was. 1.00

00:23:48.000 They killed 80,000 people over a period of a few days.

00:23:52.000 Oh, for days?

00:23:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:54.000 It's some insane amount of people.

00:23:55.000 How do you have so much information in your head?

00:23:59.000 You're not pulling up facts.

00:24:01.000 I'm like, wait.

00:24:02.000 The Aztecs, they killed all the people. 1.00

00:24:04.000 Upon the completion of the pyramid, they killed all the slaves. 1.00

00:24:07.000 All the prisoners that were helping them build these awesome buildings, they just cut their hearts out and fucking tossed them to the crowds. 0.99

00:24:14.000 Right. 0.98

00:24:15.000 I mean, that's kind of hardcore.

00:24:16.000 But I don't think the Mayans were that hardcore.

00:24:18.000 Oh yeah, they were.

00:24:19.000 If you ever go to Chichen Itza...

00:24:22.000 Yeah, I live like an hour from Chichen Itza. 0.91

00:24:23.000 Have you been to the one where you go to the temple and there's a fucking big table where they cut people's hearts out on? 0.99

00:24:29.000 It's like this demon god looking thing and he's holding up this table and that's where they would carve people's fucking hearts out. 0.99

00:24:40.000 And eat it. 0.99

00:24:41.000 I don't know what the fuck they did with it. 0.99

00:24:44.000 And there's also a lot of thought that the Mayans, much like almost every civilization from ancient Egypt on, they start out really good. 0.99

00:24:52.000 And then everything just fucking crumbles apart as you get several generations in.

00:24:57.000 So is that human nature? 0.97

00:24:59.000 It could be.

00:25:00.000 It's also, I think, what we were saying earlier.

00:25:02.000 I think it could be a part of this inability to completely understand each other because of the ability to lie through language.

00:25:11.000 And then also the people that develop these ideas and work so hard to create this culture.

00:25:17.000 And not the people that are born into it and enjoy it from the get-go.

00:25:20.000 It's sort of like kids that are born rich.

00:25:22.000 They develop this really spoiled...

00:25:24.000 Have you ever met someone who is really intense and super focused, like some banker-type character, but his son is just a complete waste product?

00:25:33.000 Of course.

00:25:34.000 Yeah, always, right?

00:25:34.000 Of course, always.

00:25:35.000 Even in Mexico, there's those. 0.94

00:25:37.000 Of course.

00:25:37.000 They're really bad in Mexico.

00:25:39.000 I'm sure. 0.91

00:25:40.000 The rich kids are out of control.

00:25:41.000 It's like they're all from Beverly Hills.

00:25:43.000 Like no, nothing.

00:25:45.000 They don't have to do anything.

00:25:47.000 So they have this attitude that everyone is their waiter or everyone is their servant.

00:25:51.000 They have that attitude there.

00:25:53.000 Wow.

00:25:53.000 Yeah, the haves and have-nots are much greater there, right?

00:25:56.000 It's much, the difference between money and no money is insane there, yeah.

00:26:01.000 That's something I had to get used to, actually.

00:26:02.000 How did you choose the Yucatan?

00:26:04.000 Because we looked around where we wanted to live, and then we realized it's only an hour and a half flight from Houston.

00:26:10.000 It's like right across the water.

00:26:11.000 It's really close to the United States, and because I work so much in the U.S., it's just like I can commute to my work really easy, and it wasn't a difficult situation.

00:26:19.000 Do you ever feel in danger there?

00:26:22.000 No.

00:26:22.000 The Yucatan is completely different than the rest of Mexico.

00:26:25.000 It's like its own country, really.

00:26:28.000 They actually wanted to separate from Mexico at one time and become their own country, but Mexico said, don't even try it.

00:26:34.000 Really?

00:26:34.000 Yeah.

00:26:35.000 So it's really much different there.

00:26:37.000 Much more chilled out.

00:26:38.000 There's no murders.

00:26:41.000 There's nothing there.

00:26:42.000 Really?

00:26:42.000 Yeah.

00:26:43.000 I live in the safest city in all of Mexico.

00:26:46.000 We have no violence or anything.

00:26:48.000 No kidding?

00:26:49.000 Yeah, it's unbelievable.

00:26:50.000 I saw one thing in the news about someone lit up a building on fire.

00:26:55.000 In the Yucatan?

00:26:57.000 That's very rare.

00:26:58.000 Yeah, it must be rare because it was the only time I ever heard about it.

00:27:01.000 Exactly.

00:27:02.000 I mean, it happens all the time in the rest of Mexico because it's completely out of control.

00:27:05.000 If they legalized marijuana, we would, you know, I'm sure.

00:27:08.000 You know Mexico has quietly decriminalized all drugs.

00:27:11.000 Yes, I do.

00:27:12.000 Yeah.

00:27:12.000 It's kind of interesting, isn't it?

00:27:13.000 Yes, it is very interesting.

00:27:14.000 And they're smart.

00:27:15.000 Yeah.

00:27:15.000 Very smart, very smart country.

00:27:17.000 The government there is actually a little ahead of ours, I think.

00:27:21.000 Really?

00:27:21.000 Yes, in a lot of ways.

00:27:22.000 I mean, they already...

00:27:23.000 Gay marriage was way legal a long time ago, way before us.

00:27:26.000 When was it legal? 0.99

00:27:27.000 I don't know how you feel about that, but, you know, it's like so stupid that we're fighting about who cares who gets married. 0.99

00:27:31.000 It's a distraction. 1.00

00:27:31.000 I think it's a beach ball. 1.00

00:27:32.000 Completely.

00:27:33.000 I think it's a beach ball they toss up and you sort of have to swat.

00:27:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:37.000 Whether you argue pro or con, the important thing is to never resolve it.

00:27:40.000 Yes, exactly.

00:27:41.000 I told this story in the podcast before.

00:27:44.000 I lived in San Francisco from age 7 to 11. And my next-door neighbors are these crazy gay guys who used to get naked with my aunt. 1.00

00:27:51.000 They'd smoke weed and play bongos. 0.99

00:27:52.000 So I was around gay people at a very early age.

00:27:55.000 And then when I was 11, we moved to Florida, which is like the polar opposite of San Francisco.

00:28:01.000 And all of a sudden, I had this friend, my friend Candy.

00:28:04.000 And his dad was going crazy. 1.00

00:28:06.000 His dad in a newspaper was like, I can't fucking believe this shit. 1.00

00:28:09.000 He slams the paper down. 1.00

00:28:10.000 And we were like, what's going on? 1.00

00:28:12.000 He's like, these fucking queers want to get married. 1.00

00:28:15.000 Right. 1.00

00:28:15.000 And it was, to him, it was something that was infuriating. 1.00

00:28:20.000 It was really infuriating. 1.00

00:28:22.000 And I remember thinking at 11, I'm like, you fucking baby. 1.00

00:28:26.000 What do you care? 1.00

00:28:28.000 Why would you care?

00:28:29.000 It doesn't make any sense that you would get angry.

00:28:31.000 How does that even affect you?

00:28:33.000 How does it affect people?

00:28:35.000 It affects people because it's a germ that gets planted in the culture.

00:28:40.000 The idea that it's a problem gets planted in the culture.

00:28:44.000 And then it just becomes something that people bring up and they want to think about their own real problems.

00:28:48.000 There we go again, right?

00:28:48.000 It's the same kind of thing.

00:28:49.000 Same thing.

00:28:50.000 Everything is everybody else.

00:28:51.000 Yeah, otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

00:28:53.000 I mean, the reality of gay dudes is just like the reality of dudes. 1.00

00:28:57.000 There are nice dudes, and there's dudes who will lie to you and try to fuck you. 1.00

00:29:01.000 Clearly. 1.00

00:29:01.000 I used to work out at Gold's Gym when I was on news radio, and I've always said that I felt like a tasty morsel of gay stew. 1.00

00:29:08.000 Did you ever use the toilet? 0.98

00:29:09.000 I bet you didn't.

00:29:10.000 I probably did.

00:29:12.000 I'm pretty gangster.

00:29:13.000 I get in there. 0.99

00:29:14.000 But it's all gay guys. 0.99

00:29:16.000 It's probably 80% gay guys. 0.99

00:29:18.000 And they're grunting and sweating. 0.98

00:29:20.000 It's a very sexual environment.

00:29:21.000 Completely.

00:29:22.000 And for a lot of people, that's a horrifying place to go.

00:29:29.000 A lot of gyms are like that, though, in their own kind of way, right?

00:29:31.000 Just like regular dudes!

00:29:32.000 If you're a girl! 0.98

00:29:33.000 They're grunting, even if they're straight dudes, but it's still very sexual in this kind of way we don't really talk about.

00:29:40.000 By the way, you should use straight in air quotes.

00:29:42.000 Straight! 1.00

00:29:43.000 Because a lot of those bodybuilder dudes would be happy to suck a cock if they were sure you could keep a secret. 1.00

00:29:49.000 Oh, I see them all the time on the internet. 1.00

00:29:50.000 Are you kidding me? 0.98

00:29:52.000 My friend Rodney is gay. 0.98

00:29:53.000 He was always telling me about how many straight guys have let him blow him. 0.93

00:29:58.000 Yeah, because that's not gay. 0.94

00:29:59.000 It's not gay if you just barely pay attention, barely even know what's going on, whatever, whatever. 0.89

00:30:06.000 If it doesn't come in your mouth, it's all cool. 0.99

00:30:08.000 Yeah, as long as you come in his mouth, it's like it's a wash.

00:30:11.000 It's a push. 0.97

00:30:14.000 Yeah, dudes are creepers.

00:30:16.000 Dudes, period. 0.58

00:30:17.000 Look, I'm telling you, I used to be a woman, and I became a man, and I'm telling you, I think differently, I react differently, my sexual...

00:30:25.000 Like, fantasies are differently, and I get it now. 0.99

00:30:27.000 I get why men are pigs. 0.99

00:30:29.000 It's totally testosterone. 1.00

00:30:30.000 Yeah, testosterone is what created rape. 1.00

00:30:33.000 Testosterone created war, pillaging.

00:30:35.000 Everything.

00:30:36.000 All the above.

00:30:37.000 Everything.

00:30:38.000 And, you know, this thing I'm doing in my act right now about how... 0.87

00:30:44.000 The greatest warriors throughout history were gay.

00:30:48.000 This is what a lot of people don't realize in today's day and age where there's a separation between gay and straight people. 0.91

00:30:55.000 There's these sick gay people, and then there's these straight people that are just living by God's way. 1.00

00:31:02.000 And we've got to keep these gay people from marrying. 1.00

00:31:05.000 Everything that happened that got us into the 21st century involved gay warriors. 1.00

00:31:11.000 Right.

00:31:12.000 That's awesome. 0.92

00:31:13.000 Spartans, Romans, Athenians, Samurais, everyone was gay. 1.00

00:31:18.000 And that's one of those weird... 0.99

00:31:19.000 Regardless if you're gay or not, if you hate gay people, you literally have to hate... 1.00

00:31:26.000 I mean, not saying that a lot of the shit that the Romans and the Spartans... 1.00

00:31:30.000 They did some horrible, ruthless, evil, fucking murderous shit. 0.99

00:31:34.000 However, that's what sort of got people into the 21st century. 1.00

00:31:38.000 I mean, they were gay people.

00:31:42.000 That's a fact.

00:31:43.000 But it's so weird to me that people are so concerned.

00:31:46.000 It's their sexual preference.

00:31:49.000 That's all it's based on. 1.00

00:31:51.000 So, like, I don't really care who you fuck. 1.00

00:31:52.000 Why do you care who I fuck? 1.00

00:31:53.000 It's basically that simple, really. 0.99

00:31:56.000 And that's what it should be, right?

00:31:57.000 But I think more men are weirded out by it than women are, to be honest with you.

00:32:01.000 It's scared.

00:32:02.000 It's being scared.

00:32:03.000 Yeah, scared because they might be attracted.

00:32:04.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:32:05.000 And so when I came along, and I have a pussy, so guys were attracted to me, but not sure. 0.99

00:32:11.000 Like straight guys and gay guys, and they're confused. 1.00

00:32:14.000 Like, what does that mean?

00:32:15.000 Am I gay? 1.00

00:32:16.000 Or no, I'm not gay because he has a pussy. 1.00

00:32:18.000 So that doesn't make me gay. 1.00

00:32:20.000 Dude, it doesn't make you anything but horny. 0.98

00:32:22.000 Just relax. 0.99

00:32:22.000 It's not really a big fucking deal. 0.99

00:32:24.000 But guys are like, they're always thinking, how can I not, if I'm attracted to that, am I gay or am I straight? 0.98

00:32:30.000 Well, even that statement.

00:32:31.000 It doesn't make you anything horny.

00:32:32.000 Relax.

00:32:33.000 That's a guy statement.

00:32:34.000 It's a guy statement.

00:32:35.000 A girl would never say that. 0.67

00:32:36.000 No, they would go, well, you know, you have to think about your emotions.

00:32:39.000 What do you have invested in this?

00:32:40.000 I read something.

00:32:42.000 I read something.

00:32:43.000 I tried to read it.

00:32:44.000 I blacked out from irony and logic halfway into it.

00:32:48.000 But it was the Male Feminist Guide to Dating a Woman. 1.00

00:32:51.000 And some guy wrote this fucking TLDR, too long, didn't read, massive, multi-fucking-step way to be a male feminist and date women and how to approach each and every scenario like the biggest pussy whoop bitch on the planet. 1.00

00:33:10.000 That's not cool because not all women are the same. 1.00

00:33:12.000 Some women like to actually be like dudes and just go have sex and it's not really a big deal and we have to be emotional. 1.00

00:33:17.000 Some girls are like that, by the way. 1.00

00:33:19.000 There's a lot of girls like that. 1.00

00:33:20.000 They don't really want to have all that emotional stuff, though, you know, whatever.

00:33:23.000 But it was so specific.

00:33:25.000 It was so specific as to how you should deal with each and every situation.

00:33:30.000 And how you should call after sex and make sure that it was okay and where we're standing.

00:33:37.000 And I want to let you know how I feel. 0.99

00:33:39.000 Do you know that is the easiest way to get a chick to fucking never call you back? 1.00

00:33:43.000 Never call you again. 1.00

00:33:44.000 She'll be like, you needy bitch. 1.00

00:33:45.000 And I guarantee you the guy who wrote that has no fucking idea what it's like to keep a girl in his life. 1.00

00:33:52.000 But where does he think he knows that from? 0.98

00:33:53.000 Because he probably has some...

00:34:14.000 I totally know those guys.

00:34:20.000 The internet mocks them.

00:34:22.000 They're called white knights, and they should be. 0.95

00:34:24.000 They should be mocked. 0.98

00:34:25.000 Are they called white knights? 0.99

00:34:25.000 Yes! 0.99

00:34:26.000 Just because you can write a blog doesn't mean it's right, you fucks. 1.00

00:34:29.000 You crazy assholes. 1.00

00:34:30.000 Well, that's the internet, right? 1.00

00:34:32.000 There we go.

00:34:32.000 Electricity goes off, you will starve to death.

00:34:35.000 You will not make it.

00:34:37.000 I was married to a dominatrix.

00:34:40.000 Those guys, I know them.

00:34:42.000 It's a whole other world, dude.

00:34:45.000 What's that like?

00:34:46.000 Very strange.

00:34:47.000 Like, really strange.

00:34:48.000 Like, you can't even imagine the kind of that.

00:34:50.000 You know, it's all good.

00:34:50.000 It's consensual.

00:34:51.000 It's their trip.

00:34:52.000 But it's a lot of those kind of guys that are very into that.

00:34:55.000 Well, I have a buddy. 1.00

00:34:55.000 My buddy Jim Norton loves that shit. 1.00

00:34:57.000 And we were at a restaurant once in Austin, Texas. 1.00

00:35:01.000 This nice gal came over to the table and started talking to us because she knew that he was into that.

00:35:14.000 Exactly.

00:35:16.000 Exactly.

00:35:24.000 What do you want me to do, mommy?

00:35:25.000 Yes, mommy.

00:35:26.000 Yes, mommy.

00:35:27.000 They call her mommy.

00:35:28.000 Okay, that's the one boundary I have is the baby play.

00:35:31.000 I'm only doing everything else, but baby can't deal with the adult baby.

00:35:35.000 I don't even think they were going with baby.

00:35:37.000 I think they were going with complete weak man who lives at home when his mom screams at him all the time and tells him what to do.

00:35:44.000 He wanted to be humiliated.

00:35:46.000 Oh, totally. 1.00

00:35:47.000 Yeah, piss in his mouth. 0.99

00:35:48.000 Oh, completely. 0.99

00:35:49.000 That's a big one.

00:35:50.000 And also, like...

00:35:51.000 Financial domination, that's also a big one.

00:35:54.000 Really?

00:35:55.000 She'll be like, bring $3,000 with you in cash, all 20s.

00:36:00.000 And he shows up with $3,000 all 20s and she goes, give it to me! 0.99

00:36:05.000 And she takes it from him and that's like the scene.

00:36:09.000 I'm like, that's a good job.

00:36:11.000 You know what?

00:36:12.000 It makes sense.

00:36:13.000 It makes sense.

00:36:14.000 It totally does.

00:36:15.000 It takes everything to make this thing work.

00:36:18.000 There's yin and yang.

00:36:19.000 There's plus and minus. 1.00

00:36:21.000 Every fucking little puzzle piece fits in together. 0.99

00:36:23.000 Yes. 1.00

00:36:24.000 And imagine if you have the job of a corporate CEO and you have to stress out all day long.

00:36:29.000 I mean, that's hardcore. 0.98

00:36:31.000 You want to just go have a spanking after that. 1.00

00:36:33.000 I couldn't even imagine. 0.98

00:36:34.000 And to have millions and millions of dollars on the line, every decision you make every day.

00:36:38.000 I couldn't imagine.

00:36:40.000 I mean, I've tried running a television show, and that's just entertainment. 0.88

00:36:46.000 That's silly and temporary.

00:36:49.000 Six episodes, and you know it's over at the end, and still you're freaking out.

00:36:52.000 The stress is totally insane.

00:36:54.000 It breaks your brain.

00:36:55.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:36:56.000 I feel way different when I'm stressed.

00:36:58.000 My decision making is not so good.

00:37:00.000 I'm too edgy.

00:37:02.000 I'll bark when I shouldn't.

00:37:04.000 I won't think things through.

00:37:05.000 It's just you're constantly dealing with this.

00:37:07.000 How do you keep yourself calm and focused?

00:37:10.000 Furious exercise.

00:37:11.000 It's the only thing that gets it out of me.

00:37:13.000 It has to be a heavy bag. 1.00

00:37:16.000 Just beat the shit out of a bag. 0.99

00:37:17.000 Do some kettlebell workouts. 1.00

00:37:19.000 Run up a hill.

00:37:20.000 Sprint up hills.

00:37:21.000 Right.

00:37:21.000 For me, it has to be something where I'm fighting life or death because I think that those feelings of stress that you get, those are life-death-struggle type things because it's incredibly stressful.

00:37:33.000 Even if it's something as silly as a television show, if it's important to you, you're going to get an intense amount of energy focused on that. 0.97

00:37:42.000 At least my body doesn't know what the fuck is going on in those scenarios. 0.99

00:37:46.000 It thinks we're going to have to fucking fight with swords or run from dragons. 1.00

00:37:50.000 We've got to do some shit, man. 1.00

00:37:51.000 And so unless I blow it out, unless I just blow it out to the point where my heart feels like it's going to rip out of my chest, then I don't ever calm down. 0.99

00:38:01.000 Yeah, no, I think I can relate to that totally.

00:38:03.000 I feel so much more calm after I had a hardcore workout.

00:38:06.000 Yeah!

00:38:07.000 Your body is designed, you know, our bodies, the DNA of our bodies is from an animal that was running from jaguars 100,000 years ago, 200,000 years ago, a million years ago.

00:38:17.000 There's the same echoes of that primal time when we were so vulnerable and surrounded by predators at all times.

00:38:26.000 Including human predators. 1.00

00:38:27.000 You know, I think that shit is just, it's in our system still. 1.00

00:38:31.000 And to pretend it's not. 1.00

00:38:33.000 Women had to run too. 1.00

00:38:34.000 Women had to fight too. 1.00

00:38:35.000 Women had to stay alive. 1.00

00:38:36.000 Women had to protect their babies. 1.00

00:38:38.000 I mean, they didn't have to do it as much or often. 0.98

00:38:41.000 And of course, the plus and the minus of testosterone is, the minus is, I mean, they're actually proven that men with larger testicles make shittier fathers. 0.90

00:38:51.000 Oh yeah, I did read that recently. 0.97

00:38:52.000 It's incredible.

00:38:53.000 Yes, it is incredible.

00:38:54.000 It's incredible. 0.99

00:38:55.000 They've also proven that men with larger testicles are around women who are more promiscuous. 0.99

00:39:01.000 And the more promiscuous the women, the larger the testicles the men in the community will have. 1.00

00:39:06.000 Because they produce more testosterone. 1.00

00:39:07.000 So they'll be more crazy. 0.80

00:39:08.000 Exactly. 0.94

00:39:09.000 And they'll be less likely to stick around and raise their children.

00:39:12.000 Whereas women who have much less testosterone, they will raise the children. 1.00

00:39:15.000 It's almost like nature sets you up.

00:39:18.000 If you're going to be nurtured, you've got to be understanding and peaceful, you want to be a calm thing.

00:39:22.000 You want to be a thing that doesn't have this... 0.99

00:39:24.000 Fucking ready to... 0.99

00:39:25.000 All the time. 0.99

00:39:27.000 Ready to go.

00:39:28.000 And men in that high-pressure, high-stress situation...

00:39:32.000 Like, you know, in the jungle or something like that are ready to go.

00:39:34.000 You gotta protect.

00:39:35.000 You gotta defend.

00:39:35.000 You gotta hunt.

00:39:36.000 Things have to be done at a split-second notice.

00:39:39.000 And that's all the testosterone.

00:39:41.000 It's this weird yin and yang of life.

00:39:44.000 It totally is.

00:39:45.000 And I noticed for myself, though, I calmed.

00:39:47.000 I used to be very much like that before I started taking testosterone.

00:39:50.000 And when I took the testosterone, I became a much calmer, more focused, more happy person than I did when I just had estrogen in my body.

00:39:59.000 That's fascinating.

00:40:00.000 Yeah, completely. 0.99

00:40:01.000 Where people use that roid rage thing, which is all complete total bullshit. 0.94

00:40:05.000 Well, it is and it isn't. 0.99

00:40:06.000 I've seen it.

00:40:07.000 I've seen it.

00:40:08.000 You have seen it?

00:40:08.000 Yeah, I've seen it.

00:40:09.000 Without a doubt, 100%.

00:40:12.000 But they have to be taking a huge amount of testosterone.

00:40:14.000 It's easy to do, though.

00:40:15.000 If you're around men who want to be great big bodybuilders, there's only one way to do that.

00:40:20.000 You have to jack yourself up way above the limits.

00:40:25.000 I've seen people just completely lose their mind where they're like animals.

00:40:28.000 It's like being around a gorilla.

00:40:30.000 Because they're just juiced up to the gills.

00:40:32.000 But they must be taking an extraordinary amount of 50 million tons of...

00:40:38.000 Whatever it is.

00:40:39.000 I don't think it's that much.

00:40:40.000 Yeah, I know what you're saying.

00:40:42.000 If you see, that's not the dirty little secret, it's the dirty obvious secret of bodybuilding.

00:40:48.000 If you see one of those guys, those enormous guys that doesn't make any sense, the reason why it doesn't make any sense is because you know in your head, you have a spectrum in your head, okay, well if you're a man and you have testosterone and you lift weights like a crazy fiend, you can get about that big.

00:41:04.000 Maybe that big if you've got super special genetics, but what's This.

00:41:08.000 This, right.

00:41:08.000 This around the circle four or five times.

00:41:11.000 Right.

00:41:11.000 Like, you know, remember those things at the carnival where you hit and the bell goes up?

00:41:14.000 Ding!

00:41:15.000 And it rings the bell? 1.00

00:41:16.000 These motherfuckers shot it to the moon. 1.00

00:41:18.000 Like, they're so big. 1.00

00:41:19.000 It doesn't even make sense.

00:41:20.000 Like, it's not possible to get there without drugs.

00:41:23.000 The sport literally cannot exist.

00:41:26.000 But don't they...

00:41:27.000 Like, it doesn't make sense to me, the whole professional bodybuilding thing.

00:41:31.000 Because people are denying taking the...

00:41:35.000 Steroids.

00:41:36.000 They have to, though, for those sponsor companies.

00:41:39.000 Like, they get their money.

00:41:40.000 Don't they test you?

00:41:41.000 I don't know.

00:41:42.000 I mean, you know, they probably do.

00:41:44.000 But guys can get around it. 0.87

00:41:45.000 Even if they do test you, if they test you, it's ridiculous.

00:41:49.000 That's the reason why the NBA doesn't test for weed. 1.00

00:41:53.000 Oh, the NBA doesn't test for weed?

00:41:54.000 No, no.

00:41:55.000 You know, I think people have been popped for it somehow or another, but very rarely.

00:42:01.000 And the reason is that the players' union knows that a giant percentage of those dudes are on weed.

00:42:06.000 Smoking, yeah.

00:42:07.000 Because smoking weed makes you sensitive to space and distances and stuff.

00:42:12.000 Like, a lot of pool players smoke weed.

00:42:13.000 Oh, wow.

00:42:14.000 A lot of basketball players love to smoke weed.

00:42:16.000 It helps your sensitivity.

00:42:17.000 While they're playing?

00:42:18.000 Right before they play.

00:42:19.000 Yeah.

00:42:20.000 Oh, I could never do that.

00:42:21.000 Oh yeah, I bet you could though.

00:42:23.000 I bet you could. 0.93

00:42:24.000 If you were a giant black dude and you were good at basketball. 0.81

00:42:26.000 Actually in my last life. 0.90

00:42:30.000 Yeah, they love to smoke weed and play basketball.

00:42:33.000 It's awesome, isn't it?

00:42:34.000 Bulletproof coffee.

00:42:36.000 When did you know that you, like, the concept of gender identity to someone who doesn't struggle with it is, it's one of those things where you try to wrap your head around it, you try to understand it, but you never, it's like, I always say that a man and woman never really understand each other. 1.00

00:42:54.000 They get this thing where they accept that this is how you are.

00:42:58.000 But I'll never understand what it's like to want a baby in my body.

00:43:03.000 I never understand what it's like to have my period.

00:43:05.000 I'll never get it.

00:43:06.000 I'll never understand what it's like In any way?

00:43:09.000 No, you won't.

00:43:09.000 And being a woman and then feeling like you're in the wrong sex, what is that like?

00:43:17.000 It's horrifying.

00:43:17.000 When did you realize it?

00:43:19.000 Imagine if you felt all of a sudden one day you started saying, I feel like a girl.

00:43:23.000 It would freak you out.

00:43:25.000 Yeah, it would.

00:43:26.000 It would freak you out.

00:43:27.000 Oh, without a doubt.

00:43:28.000 Without a doubt.

00:43:29.000 I can just tell you most of my life I felt that way, but my parents did raise me like a boy, even though I was a little girl.

00:43:35.000 They completely raised me like a boy because I was very much of a tomboy.

00:43:39.000 You know, tomboys are okay.

00:43:41.000 A girl who looks like a little boy and you're 10 and you dress like a little boy, that's okay in this country. 0.98

00:43:46.000 Nobody freaks out on that.

00:43:47.000 It's when you start reaching puberty.

00:43:50.000 I started growing breasts and then I started getting my period.

00:43:54.000 That's when everything shifted.

00:43:56.000 It was totally okay in my childhood, but then people are like, uh...

00:43:59.000 You need to start treating her like her, not like he.

00:44:03.000 My parents were completely freaked out.

00:44:05.000 Because they always just, it was like, okay.

00:44:07.000 It was never an issue.

00:44:08.000 Because I was just like a tomboy.

00:44:10.000 And then when that happened, I think that's when all, like, basically everything, all hell broke loose, you know?

00:44:15.000 Was it your folks that had the issue?

00:44:17.000 Or the community that had the issue?

00:44:19.000 Your neighborhood?

00:44:19.000 The community, their friends kept saying, you've got to stop calling her.

00:44:23.000 Her, he, and by the boy name, it's a girl.

00:44:27.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:44:28.000 Why the fuck do they care? 0.99

00:44:29.000 Why can't they just accept that? 1.00

00:44:31.000 Gender is such a freaky weird thing for people. 1.00

00:44:34.000 In the world, basically, a man is this and a woman is that. 1.00

00:44:38.000 Your penis makes you a man and your vagina makes you a woman. 1.00

00:44:41.000 That's just black and white for most people in the whole wide world. 1.00

00:44:44.000 That's just how it works.

00:44:46.000 And so basically, that's not true because it's really how you feel inside.

00:44:50.000 Your outer presence is just the shell of your soul and your being, really.

00:44:56.000 I mean, to me, it's that simple.

00:44:58.000 But of course people don't get it because people always take things at face value.

00:45:01.000 They don't tend to get to know you.

00:45:04.000 I mean, I'm sitting right in front of you now.

00:45:05.000 Would you say that I am a woman?

00:45:09.000 No.

00:45:10.000 No, I wouldn't say you're a woman. 0.99

00:45:11.000 You have a beard.

00:45:12.000 Yeah.

00:45:14.000 You're yoked and you have a beard.

00:45:16.000 Awesome.

00:45:17.000 Yeah, no, you're basically a man.

00:45:19.000 Thank you, I appreciate that.

00:45:20.000 No problem.

00:45:20.000 That's a big compliment from me.

00:45:23.000 But you know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:45:25.000 Like, the minute someone finds out that I have a pussy... 1.00

00:45:29.000 It's like, no, you're a girl. 1.00

00:45:31.000 Well, you know what?

00:45:32.000 I think one day we're going to have a pill, and you're just going to be able to be a giraffe for a day.

00:45:36.000 That would be pretty awesome.

00:45:37.000 I really think that.

00:45:39.000 I think that they're going to be able to manipulate the human body to an extent where it'll be unrecognizable.

00:45:44.000 I think we're going to be able to manipulate our genes to look like Dr. Manhattan or something like that.

00:45:50.000 I think the human frame right now is something that we feel like is completely outside of the realm of control.

00:45:57.000 But I think that's really temporary.

00:45:59.000 Just as temporary as we didn't think we were ever going to be able to communicate with somebody in real time in Australia 150,000 years ago.

00:46:06.000 But today, it's nothing.

00:46:08.000 And that's exactly what it's going to be like whether it's 150 years from now or whatever.

00:46:12.000 Your body's no longer going to define you.

00:46:14.000 You're going to be able to be whatever you want.

00:46:16.000 Exactly.

00:46:16.000 And people are going to be able to switch back and forth.

00:46:19.000 Which would be really cool. 0.93

00:46:20.000 From sex to sex. 0.99

00:46:20.000 Yeah, like this month I'm a girl. 0.99

00:46:22.000 Next month I'm a guy. 0.62

00:46:23.000 I want to be a black guy.

00:46:24.000 That's already happening, you know?

00:46:24.000 People are already doing the genderqueer thing where they're not saying I'm male or female and then there's like this new kind of thing called they.

00:46:31.000 Where they don't want to identify as male or female and they're just they.

00:46:34.000 They're just they?

00:46:35.000 Yeah.

00:46:36.000 That's a hard one.

00:46:36.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:46:37.000 That's awesome.

00:46:38.000 That's totally awesome.

00:46:39.000 I like that.

00:46:39.000 I have a friend who's a they.

00:46:40.000 So every time I see her, she used to be a her, but now she's a they, she always has to correct me because I'm always like saying her or she. 0.52

00:46:49.000 And so how do you, what is the pronoun for that?

00:46:51.000 It's very, it's they. 0.97

00:46:53.000 Hmm.

00:46:54.000 I know, it doesn't make any sense.

00:46:55.000 Hmm.

00:46:56.000 Because it's not them.

00:46:57.000 Right.

00:46:58.000 So...

00:46:59.000 So you don't ever say he, you don't ever say she.

00:47:01.000 You say they.

00:47:03.000 As an individual, as a they? 0.99

00:47:05.000 Yeah.

00:47:05.000 Oh, wow.

00:47:06.000 Try to wrap your head around that one.

00:47:07.000 They're going deep.

00:47:08.000 They just need too much work. 0.99

00:47:09.000 They need too much goddamn attention. 0.99

00:47:11.000 There's a lot of that, too. 0.99

00:47:11.000 It's all these labels and things that people are so obsessed with, right? 0.99

00:47:15.000 That's a real problem.

00:47:16.000 It's a real problem.

00:47:17.000 Because now it's not LGBT, it's... 1.00

00:47:20.000 You know, now it's Q, I, A, queer, intersexed. 1.00

00:47:26.000 And they.

00:47:27.000 And T. Now we have to add a T, you're right.

00:47:29.000 You gotta add a T. Yeah, you see what I mean?

00:47:31.000 What is queer?

00:47:31.000 What's the difference?

00:47:32.000 Queer is more based on your, I think, your sexuality. 0.78

00:47:36.000 And actually it kind of can encompass your gender.

00:47:39.000 So it's more of an all-encompassing fluidity with your gender and sexuality.

00:47:43.000 Where you're not necessarily saying I'm a he and I'm gay.

00:47:46.000 You might be a she and straight this day, but tomorrow you want to be a man and gay that day. 0.99

00:47:53.000 People are so specific.

00:47:54.000 I'm even getting all...

00:47:55.000 Right?

00:47:56.000 Even me, I'm just like, I know.

00:47:57.000 I'm just a man, dude.

00:47:59.000 People are so specific.

00:48:01.000 That's what I'm saying is getting a little bit...

00:48:02.000 Okay, here's the deal.

00:48:04.000 With my education, that's why I always just sort of try to make it as easy as possible for people because I don't really go to that level at this point.

00:48:10.000 I want you first to understand that gender is complex, but at the same time it's not.

00:48:15.000 It's really how...

00:48:15.000 You feel as a person and that people are understanding that I can be whoever I want to be and it's okay.

00:48:22.000 It doesn't matter what the world thinks.

00:48:24.000 People are starting to be more open-minded about it.

00:48:25.000 They are.

00:48:26.000 And it's really important that people understand that it's going to evolve whether you like it or not.

00:48:31.000 Yeah.

00:48:32.000 Well, gender's complex, but for some people, they don't want it to ever be complex because one of the things that's admirable about a man is a man who doesn't worry. 1.00

00:48:42.000 What's admirable about a man is a man who's like fucking silent, Clint Eastwood in the movies type, doesn't give a fuck, never thinking about sucking dicks, just out there trying to shoot people. 1.00

00:48:51.000 Right. 1.00

00:48:52.000 You know, like, without a care in the world and keeps his heartbeat a steady 60 per minute, you know, never really freaks out.

00:48:59.000 That's a part of being a man is being sure of yourself.

00:49:03.000 And if you're unsure of your sexuality, you know, you're a vulnerable animal.

00:49:08.000 But also, I've learned to be very vulnerable.

00:49:11.000 I do a lot of public speaking, and I talk about my childhood and my life, and I had a lot of stuff happen to me.

00:49:16.000 I tried to commit suicide many times, and I just hated my life, and it was a total nightmare.

00:49:21.000 I get vulnerable when I speak, and I have cried in public like that.

00:49:24.000 Actually, it feels really good to go there sometimes, and that doesn't make me feel any less of a man.

00:49:29.000 I'm a very, very confident, very sure of myself man.

00:49:32.000 But to be vulnerable sometimes lets people understand your story a lot more and lets them come into your life.

00:49:39.000 Yeah, there's nothing wrong with being vulnerable.

00:49:41.000 It's a silly idea. 0.92

00:49:43.000 Especially for men. 0.99

00:49:45.000 Really, I'm telling you, especially for men.

00:49:47.000 A lot of us men really feel like we're not allowed to go there because you're not a man if you let yourself be. 1.00

00:49:53.000 And that's totally bullshit. 0.99

00:49:54.000 Well, it is and it isn't. 1.00

00:49:56.000 It isn't if you're being a bitch. 1.00

00:49:58.000 Okay? 1.00

00:49:59.000 If you're crying for no fucking reason. 0.99

00:50:00.000 But that's the problem. 0.99

00:50:02.000 There's some people that cry for no reason.

00:50:03.000 Like, they get a flat tire. 1.00

00:50:04.000 I'm a fucking flat tire! 1.00

00:50:05.000 I can't believe this shit! 1.00

00:50:08.000 You're being a bitch. 1.00

00:50:09.000 There's a difference between that and expressing love or talking about your childhood and dark moments or feelings. 1.00

00:50:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:16.000 But if you're crying over your flat tire, you're a bitch. 1.00

00:50:19.000 Yeah, I'm driving by dude. 1.00

00:50:20.000 There's a lot of that though.

00:50:21.000 It's like it's important to differentiate the difference between a person who's vulnerable because they're honest about their emotions and passionate.

00:50:28.000 You know, if you're passionate, like, dude, I cry easy, man.

00:50:31.000 I'll cry at a good commercial.

00:50:33.000 I'll cry in certain songs.

00:50:35.000 There's songs that hit me and I start crying. 1.00

00:50:37.000 Movies, I hate depressing movies because I cry like a little bitch. 1.00

00:50:42.000 I'm a very passionate person. 0.98

00:50:44.000 I see that.

00:50:45.000 I get locked into anything, like if I'm involved in anyone's art, whether it's a song or a movie or anything where you're painting this picture of torture or torment and I can relate to that character.

00:50:57.000 It's hard.

00:50:58.000 You feel it.

00:51:00.000 But not all guys go there, and you know that.

00:51:03.000 Those are weak guys.

00:51:03.000 Those are actually the weak guys.

00:51:05.000 I think you're right.

00:51:06.000 Yeah, they're scared.

00:51:06.000 They're fake scared.

00:51:08.000 And if you don't understand what real fear is, when you actually face it, if you're constantly hiding from your actual emotions and pretending you're not scared when you actually are vulnerable, then when you really are in danger, you're not going to know what the fuck to do. 0.94

00:51:23.000 Right. 0.81

00:51:23.000 Because you don't know yourself. 0.81

00:51:24.000 Right.

00:51:25.000 You don't know what you really are capable of.

00:51:27.000 You don't know who you really are.

00:51:28.000 So when the chips pile up, you're gonna just piss your pants and fall apart.

00:51:31.000 But men are taught that.

00:51:33.000 We're taught that from an early age.

00:51:35.000 Men are not... 0.58

00:51:35.000 I really think so. 0.58

00:51:37.000 You know why though?

00:51:37.000 Why?

00:51:38.000 Bitches for dads. 1.00

00:51:40.000 There's a lot of dudes out there that are just bitches. 1.00

00:51:41.000 They just fuck some chick, get her pregnant, and then they have a kid, and that kid grows up with a bitch for a dad. 1.00

00:51:47.000 That's super common. 1.00

00:51:49.000 Yeah, it is really common. 1.00

00:51:50.000 I had a friend who had a fucking tremendous bitch for a dad. 1.00

00:51:53.000 His dad would whine so much, I would want to smack him in front of my friend. 1.00

00:51:56.000 I would go over, and then the guy, he was always so confused, like, I don't know what to do. 1.00

00:52:00.000 You've got to stop listening to your fucking dad. 0.99

00:52:02.000 That's the first thing you've got to do. 1.00

00:52:04.000 Look at that guy. 1.00

00:52:05.000 If you didn't know that guy, you'd think that guy's a fucking idiot. 1.00

00:52:07.000 Right. 1.00

00:52:07.000 He cries over nothing. 1.00

00:52:09.000 He's constantly whining.

00:52:10.000 He's always negative. 1.00

00:52:11.000 That guy's a bitch. 1.00

00:52:12.000 You need to get the fuck out of that toxic environment the first chance you get. 1.00

00:52:16.000 And that kind of shit growing up, this guy had no confidence about anything. 1.00

00:52:20.000 He didn't know what he liked. 0.99

00:52:22.000 He didn't know what to do.

00:52:24.000 He had to ask everybody before he did anything.

00:52:26.000 He had to ask your opinion. 1.00

00:52:27.000 He didn't even know who the fuck he was. 1.00

00:52:29.000 Right. 1.00

00:52:30.000 He was never shown that it was possible to know who the fuck you were. 0.99

00:52:34.000 He was imitating this scared, terrified thing in his house, and it took until he separated from him and started having some milestones of his own, graduating high school, graduating college, getting a degree, falling in love, having a relationship, going into business, that he started becoming a man. 0.99

00:52:49.000 Right. 0.97

00:52:49.000 But he had to break away from this bitch mold that he grew up in. 0.97

00:52:52.000 Well, I think... 0.99

00:52:53.000 Again, parenting is also a very difficult situation.

00:52:56.000 People are just thrown into parenting.

00:52:58.000 There is no book.

00:52:59.000 I mean, there are books, but still, a lot of times, people are just thrown into it.

00:53:03.000 There's no skill of how to raise my child.

00:53:06.000 You learn that from your own parents and your own parents.

00:53:09.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:10.000 It's just like this long...

00:53:11.000 I was lucky.

00:53:12.000 My dad actually was very, really hardcore.

00:53:14.000 He was a professional athlete.

00:53:15.000 He was very focused.

00:53:17.000 He was very much like that old school kind of guy.

00:53:20.000 But I think it actually helped me to become a really good man because I really learned how to focus and be the person that I wanted to be from that.

00:53:26.000 Well, sure.

00:53:27.000 Of course it does.

00:53:28.000 I mean, that's exactly what we're saying.

00:53:29.000 If you want to be a man, you follow someone who is a man. 0.98

00:53:31.000 And you wanted to be a man.

00:53:32.000 Totally.

00:53:33.000 I mean, it's a perfect example.

00:53:34.000 It's really difficult because life, you do not start out in a neutral point.

00:53:40.000 No one starts out at zero.

00:53:41.000 Right.

00:53:41.000 Some of us start at minus 30. Other of us, some of us start out at plus 100. And sometimes the plus 100 people are fucked because everything's too goddamn easy.

00:53:50.000 Right. 0.99

00:53:50.000 And the minus 30 people, and not saying me, I was probably like minus 5. Right. 0.99

00:53:54.000 The minus 30 people that come from a dark background a lot of times have this massive amount of expression inside of them because of that. 0.61

00:54:01.000 And if they can sort it out, it's almost like they have more horsepower.

00:54:05.000 Their passion, like some of the great artists as far as music, Tortured background.

00:54:11.000 Tortured childhoods.

00:54:13.000 And, you know, it allows them to express themselves in this intense, powerful way that someone who grew up in Bel Air isn't capable of doing.

00:54:21.000 Exactly.

00:54:22.000 Like, you remember that song?

00:54:23.000 Friday, Friday.

00:54:24.000 Yes.

00:54:25.000 Remember that? 1.00

00:54:26.000 Remember that shit? 1.00

00:54:27.000 The reason why people are so mad at that is because they knew that this bitch hadn't suffered at all. 1.00

00:54:32.000 Like, you're not allowed to sing, you know? 0.99

00:54:34.000 When you listen to, like, you listen to some old school blues, some Robert Johnson, you listen to it, you're like, this motherfucker was hot, they didn't have air conditioning, They were sitting out there on the porch. 0.99

00:54:47.000 He was constantly being persecuted by white people. 1.00

00:54:51.000 Women were trying to have his babies, trying to get the fuck out of town and stay on the road. 1.00

00:54:55.000 You felt everything in that guy's voice. 0.99

00:54:58.000 That's the appeal of blues in the first place.

00:55:02.000 Totally.

00:55:02.000 I live in New Orleans.

00:55:03.000 But isn't that fucked? 1.00

00:55:04.000 It is. 1.00

00:55:04.000 It's almost like you have to have a shit childhood to become an interesting person. 1.00

00:55:08.000 Well, I didn't have a shit childhood. 0.99

00:55:10.000 I had a shit middle part of my life, which actually did help me. 0.99

00:55:13.000 I always look at that part and I always remember being homeless, doing prostitution on the streets, like all of that really made me be the person as well. 0.99

00:55:21.000 What time did that start, the shit part? 0.96

00:55:23.000 That was like later, like in my mid-twenties. 0.99

00:55:25.000 You know, I was...

00:55:26.000 I was a professional model at one time as a woman and I traveled around Europe and then I just couldn't do it anymore because I was doing so much cocaine and drinking and partying like mad dude like crazy mad and I just crashed.

00:55:38.000 You said though that when you were just getting your period and you were young that that's when people started giving you a hard time.

00:55:45.000 That wasn't a bad time in your life though?

00:55:47.000 Well, yeah, I was in high school still and so then, you know, I started having to deal with the high school thing and like, you know, I'm becoming a girl and I'm attracted to girls You know, and I was a lesbian, I guess, but I felt like a guy.

00:56:02.000 And this was, you know, 30 or so more years ago.

00:56:05.000 And they didn't even talk about that kind of stuff when I was going to high school.

00:56:09.000 So a lot of stuff was going on for me.

00:56:12.000 I started smoking weed.

00:56:13.000 Not that that's a bad thing, but when you're not focused and you start doing those kind of things, it just continues to escalate to hardcore drinking, then the cocaine, then everything just started escalating for me.

00:56:24.000 And I got totally out of control for like Since 16 to like maybe 28, I was completely out of control.

00:56:30.000 Well, you were self-medicating.

00:56:32.000 Completely, dude.

00:56:32.000 Yeah, there's a big difference, right?

00:56:34.000 Between that and enjoying a little whiskey amongst friends.

00:56:37.000 Oh, completely.

00:56:38.000 I'm totally cool with all of that.

00:56:39.000 Like, I don't drink, but for me, it's just that I don't drink.

00:56:43.000 It's not that I'm sober or I do that.

00:56:45.000 I just don't drink, dude.

00:56:46.000 Right.

00:56:46.000 Because it doesn't work for me.

00:56:47.000 You don't like it.

00:56:47.000 It doesn't work for me.

00:56:48.000 Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that either, right?

00:56:49.000 Yeah.

00:56:50.000 That thing, though, about self-medicating is so common amongst kids that don't It's sad, dude.

00:57:03.000 Because we also reinforce that in society, saying, yeah, you're right, you can't be gay, it's completely not okay, or it's weird that you feel like a girl, or it's weird that you feel like a boy.

00:57:13.000 So we as a society reinforce those negative feelings constantly.

00:57:16.000 You just feel shitty about yourself and you're like, there is no out for me.

00:57:21.000 There is no out.

00:57:21.000 What am I going to do?

00:57:22.000 I cannot live as a woman anymore. 1.00

00:57:24.000 The next option is to kill myself. 0.95

00:57:26.000 That's why so many kids try to commit suicide now because they just feel no way out of the situation. 0.80

00:57:31.000 You felt like you needed to add hormones to your life in order to complete your vision of who you are?

00:57:39.000 Well, I didn't even know I could do that.

00:57:40.000 I had my change over 21 years ago when there was no internet, really.

00:57:43.000 There was no doctors.

00:57:44.000 I was the first trans man, a doctor in Los Angeles.

00:57:48.000 He'd never even met a guy like me before.

00:57:50.000 Same with my chest surgery.

00:57:52.000 All of that.

00:57:53.000 These guys were like, okay, but you're basically going to be our guinea pig.

00:57:56.000 I mean, it didn't even exist.

00:57:58.000 But I knew I needed to change.

00:58:00.000 And so I was willing to take that. 0.96

00:58:03.000 Always in the back of my head, if it didn't work, I'm just going to kill myself. 0.91

00:58:06.000 I mean, really, think about how crazy that is. 0.89

00:58:08.000 That was always my option.

00:58:09.000 I'm going to try this. 1.00

00:58:10.000 If it doesn't work, I'm just going to kill myself. 0.99

00:58:12.000 Because that's how life-threatening it was. 0.98

00:58:14.000 It was like I had to do it.

00:58:16.000 It was life or death for me.

00:58:17.000 Totally.

00:58:27.000 Yes.

00:58:29.000 Yes.

00:58:34.000 Let's see what's next.

00:58:35.000 Or I'm done.

00:58:36.000 I can't continue to have people confront me as a woman. 0.99

00:58:40.000 And I was like a dike, short hair, and then people would say shit, throw stuff at me on the street. 1.00

00:58:47.000 Yeah, dike, we're gonna kick your ass. 1.00

00:58:49.000 People used to follow me and try to fight. 1.00

00:58:51.000 I was a total fighter, dude.

00:58:53.000 But that was my life, and it was like...

00:58:55.000 You get tired of that.

00:58:57.000 You get really tired of constantly having to fight people's negativity towards you constantly.

00:59:02.000 And you're like, I don't want to be this way anymore.

00:59:04.000 Was it men that would be aggressive?

00:59:07.000 Men, men, men.

00:59:08.000 Never women? 0.97

00:59:09.000 Never women. 1.00

00:59:09.000 Always men. 1.00

00:59:10.000 Following me, throwing shit at me, trying to fight me, jumping me, three or four guys jumping me. 0.99

00:59:17.000 That's insane. 0.99

00:59:17.000 Out of nowhere, dude. 0.99

00:59:18.000 Where was this at?

00:59:19.000 LA. West Hollywood.

00:59:21.000 Those kind of things. 0.99

00:59:22.000 Gay bashing, basically. 0.88

00:59:23.000 I didn't know that women face it that often. 0.97

00:59:26.000 Oh, totally.

00:59:26.000 Especially when you look like a little boy but they could tell you're a girl.

00:59:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:30.000 It was like, yeah, it was a nightmare for me.

00:59:32.000 It was like, I'm really lucky to be where I am today because really I should be dead.

00:59:36.000 So I really should be dead in so many aspects of my life.

00:59:39.000 I should just not be here.

00:59:41.000 So you went to a doctor and you had this idea in your head like, look, there's got to be a way.

00:59:49.000 Yeah.

00:59:49.000 Totally.

00:59:50.000 I had seen a documentary with a woman who changed to a man.

00:59:53.000 It was from Europe or something.

00:59:54.000 And I'm like, how come nobody told me this is possible?

00:59:57.000 Like nobody, even therapists or psychologists or psychiatrists.

01:00:01.000 When I went to tell a psychiatrist, I feel like a man.

01:00:05.000 And she was like, well, you're just a very male-identified female. 1.00

01:00:09.000 What the fuck is that? 1.00

01:00:10.000 I feel like a man. 1.00

01:00:12.000 She didn't even have the lingo to come back at me like, you know what, Buck? 0.89

01:00:16.000 You can have a sex change.

01:00:19.000 So how do you find, like if someone doesn't gender identify with being a male and they're, you know, what do you do?

01:00:27.000 Say if you're a man and you want to become a woman or a woman and you want to become a man, what's the steps you take? 0.92

01:00:31.000 Now you fucking Google it, right? 0.98

01:00:33.000 Now you do. 0.99

01:00:34.000 Then I had to go to a bookstore and find this old book and find a doctor in the back that was like for transgender, for women, for men becoming women, they didn't even have anything for guys like me.

01:00:44.000 And I found this book.

01:00:45.000 I mean, I was determined to figure out how to do this, and I called this doctor in Hollywood here, and he's like, well, I never worked with a woman who wants to become a man, but why don't you come in? 0.87

01:00:54.000 And he saved my life, and he's like, you'll be my guinea pig.

01:00:57.000 We'll figure out.

01:00:58.000 That's fascinating that there were so many women that became women from men, but no that became men from women.

01:01:05.000 Yeah, it's a new movement.

01:01:07.000 Now there's a lot more happening.

01:01:09.000 Is it you?

01:01:09.000 Did you kickstart it?

01:01:11.000 No, it's been happening, but I think I did kind of kickstart it.

01:01:13.000 Take a little bit.

01:01:14.000 Just a little bit.

01:01:15.000 Why not?

01:01:16.000 So you went to this doctor, and then, so he says you're going to be his guinea pig.

01:01:21.000 Yep.

01:01:21.000 And how does he handle it?

01:01:22.000 He starts giving me very small doses of testosterone.

01:01:27.000 Very, you would laugh, like teeny Right?

01:01:30.000 And then he just checks me out, makes sure everything's cool.

01:01:33.000 Within six months, he has me up to one cc of testosterone, teaches me how to inject it myself.

01:01:38.000 One cc?

01:01:39.000 A whole cc?

01:01:40.000 A whole cc.

01:01:40.000 A week?

01:01:41.000 Every two weeks.

01:01:42.000 Jesus Christ, that's a lot.

01:01:44.000 You think so?

01:01:44.000 Yeah.

01:01:45.000 And then, six months later, he's like, I want to teach you how to do it yourself so that you can go on with your life.

01:01:51.000 What an amazing man, really.

01:01:53.000 He was amazing.

01:01:54.000 He taught me, and then I went on, and I was reborn.

01:01:58.000 I was reborn.

01:02:00.000 It literally changed.

01:02:02.000 Physically and mentally changed my life.

01:02:04.000 Do you get testosterone in Mexico?

01:02:06.000 Yes. 1.00

01:02:07.000 Now, do you worry that it might be bullshit? 0.98

01:02:09.000 No, no, it's not. 0.99

01:02:10.000 Cooking oil or something? 1.00

01:02:11.000 They might fuck you? 1.00

01:02:11.000 No, dude, it's real. 1.00

01:02:12.000 I use sustenance right now. 0.98

01:02:14.000 So you, like, because Mexican pharmaceutical drugs, you can basically get whatever the fuck you want with it, right? 0.98

01:02:19.000 You can get whatever you want. 0.90

01:02:20.000 That's kind of cool.

01:02:21.000 Dude, I just call on the phone.

01:02:22.000 I'm not happy about the way Mexico, like the drug wars, chaos, and it's really sad.

01:02:28.000 You see all the violence over there, and it's very depressing. 0.99

01:02:30.000 However, there's a certain amount of freedom that comes to having a shit government that's barely in control of its populace. 0.99

01:02:37.000 They're getting their shit together, dude. 0.99

01:02:39.000 But now you just call a pharmacy, and then they deliver it to your house for free. 0.97

01:02:42.000 They deliver it?

01:02:43.000 Yeah, dude.

01:02:43.000 I like a pound of, like, you know...

01:02:46.000 Wow. 0.99

01:02:46.000 You can basically self-medicate, do whatever the fuck you want. 0.99

01:02:49.000 Yeah, totally. 0.98

01:02:49.000 I'm 21 years into it. 0.98

01:02:50.000 I completely know what I'm doing now.

01:02:52.000 It's not that I feel.

01:02:53.000 That's fascinating.

01:02:54.000 Yeah, and I inject myself, and my life just started to change, and then I decided I needed to get my breasts removed, even though they weren't big.

01:03:01.000 I needed to have a male chest. 0.99

01:03:03.000 I mean, that was always my ultimate thing, was to be able to take my shirt off.

01:03:06.000 I mean, that's like such a guy thing.

01:03:07.000 You want to walk around with your shirt off.

01:03:09.000 And I found a doctor who never worked with a guy like me, and he did it.

01:03:12.000 Yeah, I thought that was fascinating about Chaz Bono, is that there was photographs of Chaz walking on the beach after she became Chaz.

01:03:20.000 Right.

01:03:20.000 And he has these big scars under his breasts.

01:03:24.000 But because of the fact that now he identifies as a man, in regular publications they're showing him topless.

01:03:32.000 And I'm like, that is really interesting.

01:03:35.000 Because you really can't have a problem with it.

01:03:37.000 But if he was still a woman before the sex change, then it would be a real issue. 0.98

01:03:42.000 The same nipples! 0.99

01:03:43.000 I know! 0.99

01:03:44.000 Right on, dude. 1.00

01:03:45.000 Shows you how fucking stupid we are. 1.00

01:03:48.000 It's so weird. 1.00

01:03:50.000 The internet has really flipped the script on what we're used to seeing, what we can see, what we can accept.

01:03:59.000 I had never seen a man that had become a woman until you.

01:04:03.000 So on my message board, I have a message board filled with Freaks and savages. 0.89

01:04:08.000 Sure, you do.

01:04:08.000 And they knew about you back in the 90s.

01:04:11.000 Of course they did.

01:04:12.000 My website's been around since 98. I mean, I don't know when I was introduced to you on the website.

01:04:17.000 Years and years ago.

01:04:18.000 But you are just a new piece in this new vision of the world.

01:04:27.000 There's new thing that exists that didn't exist when Father Knows Best was on the air and the Twilight Zone was shocking.

01:04:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:35.000 I don't know.

01:04:36.000 Everything now, the amount of information is so much larger.

01:04:41.000 The scope of the canvas, the size of the canvas of reality is so much larger.

01:04:47.000 And you're a part of that.

01:04:49.000 You're a part of that.

01:04:50.000 I think so. 0.99

01:04:51.000 Because, really, what it comes down to is my genitals. 0.75

01:04:54.000 And when I went to the world and said, you know what? 1.00

01:04:57.000 I don't need to have a penis to be a man. 1.00

01:04:59.000 I just went to the world and said, fuck you. 1.00

01:05:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:05:02.000 I did. 1.00

01:05:02.000 Well, there's a really interesting photo of you. 1.00

01:05:05.000 It's on my message board.

01:05:06.000 There's a thread that someone put up about this particular conversation.

01:05:10.000 And it's you, like, lounging back, completely naked, smoking a cigar. 1.00

01:05:14.000 And it's like, for half your body, it's like the manliest shit possible. 1.00

01:05:18.000 This yoked up dude, smoking a cigar, with a beard, covered in tattoos, and there's a vagina. 1.00

01:05:24.000 It's like, whoa! 1.00

01:05:26.000 Fucked you up. 0.99

01:05:27.000 Yeah, your identity, you know, your idea of what a man is, like, is immediately challenged. 0.98

01:05:34.000 And then it's always like, how do you feel about this?

01:05:37.000 Because what exactly are you seeing here?

01:05:39.000 You know, what bothers you?

01:05:42.000 Does this change your view of reality?

01:05:44.000 That's awesome.

01:05:45.000 I mean, I really feel honored to be able to do that to the world.

01:05:49.000 It is.

01:05:49.000 It's an honor, in a way, to really push the thought of what What is this?

01:05:55.000 What is male and female and gay and straight?

01:05:59.000 What are you?

01:06:01.000 Right.

01:06:01.000 And what are the problems?

01:06:02.000 Exactly.

01:06:03.000 And why do they exist?

01:06:04.000 Do they exist because someone is threatening you?

01:06:07.000 Do they exist because you're threatened by it?

01:06:09.000 Right.

01:06:10.000 What exactly is the issue? 0.99

01:06:13.000 Because now you have to look at yourself because you before looked at me like a man and then all of a sudden you see my vagina and you're like... 1.00

01:06:20.000 Mostly it's males that do that because men are pretty attached to their penis. 1.00

01:06:28.000 Understandably so. 0.99

01:06:30.000 Now I'm saying to you, you don't have to have that to be a man.

01:06:33.000 It's really challenging your own identity in a way.

01:06:35.000 Yeah, it gets slippery.

01:06:38.000 But the slippery thing is not even that, oh, that's a man too.

01:06:42.000 It's like, what is the controversy?

01:06:46.000 Not that he's unusual, not that he's unique, but what bothers people?

01:06:50.000 What gets them angry?

01:06:51.000 What is pissing people off?

01:06:53.000 Angry.

01:06:53.000 They get angry, man.

01:06:54.000 You must get so much hate. 0.99

01:06:55.000 They want to kill me.

01:06:56.000 I have to, like, have security sometimes when I go speak.

01:07:00.000 Really?

01:07:00.000 Because people, oh yeah, they tell me they're gonna kill me if I show up.

01:07:02.000 What kind of people?

01:07:03.000 Can you imagine?

01:07:04.000 What kind of people?

01:07:05.000 Oh, for example, Yale University.

01:07:09.000 Yale University. 0.99

01:07:10.000 They were going to find, they were said, if you show up here, we will kill you. 0.98

01:07:15.000 Who said this? 0.94

01:07:16.000 Students said this?

01:07:16.000 Students and alumni, and of course I had to report it.

01:07:20.000 I mean, I didn't want to be like that bitch, right? 1.00

01:07:23.000 I was like, bring it on, and then, you know, people are like, you better chill out, dude. 0.99

01:07:26.000 You don't know.

01:07:27.000 They might be there.

01:07:28.000 So I had to report it to the people who brought me in, and they had 24-hour security the whole time I was there. 0.99

01:07:33.000 Well, you always have to be worried about that one fucking broken... 0.99

01:07:36.000 Wingnut. 1.00

01:07:36.000 Total wingnut. 1.00

01:07:37.000 Yeah.

01:07:37.000 You never know.

01:07:38.000 You never know.

01:07:39.000 That's the broad spectrum.

01:07:40.000 But I deal with that all the time.

01:07:41.000 I don't deal with it as much as I used to.

01:07:43.000 I have to tell you that.

01:07:44.000 People have become much more understanding and much more supportive My fanbase has grown tremendously in the last, I would say, five years.

01:07:51.000 Just crazy.

01:07:52.000 What do you attribute that to?

01:07:54.000 I think listening to me and seeing that I'm just like a normal guy.

01:07:58.000 It's not really a big deal.

01:07:59.000 And telling you how amazing my life is and that I'm a positive person.

01:08:03.000 And that all I want really is for people to be able to be themselves, whatever that means.

01:08:07.000 Do you think that it reflects a change in society as a whole?

01:08:11.000 Clearly, it has to be.

01:08:12.000 People are opening up their minds and understanding that, yeah, you know, this person is happy, so why am I angry about it?

01:08:18.000 Right.

01:08:19.000 Right?

01:08:20.000 I think that progressive ideas are way more mainstream than they've ever been in the past.

01:08:27.000 Yes, for sure.

01:08:27.000 Way more.

01:08:28.000 And I think it's because of the internet, because of the open dialogue the internet presents.

01:08:31.000 You realize there's a lot of these people, they're not really much different than you or I. They're just like you or I. They're not evil.

01:08:39.000 There's nothing wrong with them.

01:08:41.000 They're just a different thing.

01:08:43.000 They're this, you're that.

01:08:44.000 They like this kind of music. 0.98

01:08:46.000 You think it sucks, but you like that kind of music. 0.82

01:08:48.000 But there's so many commonalities that we sort of inform each other of because the Internet, you kind of go, wait a minute, what's our real problem here? 0.99

01:08:57.000 Like, is it sexuality?

01:08:59.000 Is it gender identification?

01:09:01.000 Or are we just distracting ourselves with this nonsense? 0.77

01:09:03.000 Well, that's a very specific kind of person, though, because, as you know, the Internet is full of trolls for days.

01:09:08.000 And those ones really are the ones who react and continue to make it very negative on the Internet.

01:09:14.000 You know what I mean?

01:09:15.000 So, of course, we have people like you And your fans and the people who are willing to listen and talk about these kind of things.

01:09:20.000 But then we have the other side that's so incredibly hateful and never wants this kind of thing to be accepted in the world.

01:09:28.000 Yeah, the trolls issue is a fascinating one.

01:09:32.000 Fascinating.

01:09:32.000 Because really, all it is is unhappy people.

01:09:36.000 It's a huge sea of unhappy people saying shitty mean things. 1.00

01:09:41.000 Oh, they're crazy. 1.00

01:09:43.000 Those are the ones that say, I'm going to kill you. 1.00

01:09:45.000 Of course. 1.00

01:09:46.000 They have no life.

01:09:46.000 They're sitting at home.

01:09:47.000 And again, most of them don't mean a word they're saying.

01:09:50.000 Oh, no, I always say that.

01:09:51.000 Totally.

01:09:52.000 But there's a few that might.

01:09:54.000 There's a few broken ones.

01:09:55.000 And you have to protect yourself in those situations.

01:10:00.000 If you have wingnuts after you, you must. 1.00

01:10:02.000 I'm a friendly guy.

01:10:03.000 Nah.

01:10:03.000 That means you get along with.

01:10:04.000 You are, but so am I. Except my vagina, though. 1.00

01:10:07.000 Yeah, the vagina thing fucks people up. 1.00

01:10:10.000 They don't even know what I have. 1.00

01:10:11.000 I might have a vagina, too. 1.00

01:10:12.000 I've been faking the funk the whole time. 1.00

01:10:15.000 Who knows?

01:10:16.000 I think that the angry thing is also because of the lack of real interaction.

01:10:23.000 Because of the fact they're able to do it over the internet.

01:10:25.000 There's no social repercussions. 0.92

01:10:29.000 When you look at someone and you say something mean, you have to be a psychopath.

01:10:33.000 If someone's never done anything to you and you look at them and you say something mean and you see them react and you see it hurt their feelings and it doesn't bother you, you're a broken person. 1.00

01:10:41.000 You're a sociopath. 0.99

01:10:42.000 There's something wrong with you. 1.00

01:10:43.000 But when you do it on the internet, you can just say something shitty. 0.53

01:10:48.000 Yeah, because you're removed from it.

01:10:49.000 Yes, you're completely removed from it.

01:10:50.000 But I think that this is temporary.

01:10:53.000 I really think this is like this crazy chaos before the age of enlightenment.

01:10:58.000 And I'm a big...

01:11:01.000 I'm a believer in progress and I'm a big believer in utopia, utopian ideas, to the point where it's unrealistic.

01:11:08.000 I have some pretty unrealistic views of the possibilities of humanity.

01:11:12.000 But those are important views to have because I'm very much the same way.

01:11:16.000 I'm a believer of energies, first off.

01:11:19.000 If I give off positive energy, I always get positive energy back.

01:11:22.000 I agree.

01:11:23.000 I think that's huge. 0.94

01:11:24.000 If I came into this room right now with an attitude that was not cool, and I was just sitting here waiting for you to talk shit to me, me and you are going to have not as good as a situation going on between us, I don't think, right now. 0.85

01:11:39.000 I think it would be much— Because I'm coming in with that energy. 0.89

01:11:42.000 Yeah.

01:11:42.000 That negative, go ahead and say it to me, dude, energy.

01:11:46.000 Right.

01:11:46.000 Which a lot of people in my situation tend to have because they don't understand that you have to—people do not understand us.

01:11:53.000 And when I come to— Explain to you the situation.

01:11:57.000 I have to understand that you don't get it and you already have a preconceived notion about it and you're already judging me and that's okay.

01:12:03.000 It's because you don't get it.

01:12:05.000 So I have to come to it with an understanding of that and an understanding that I need to now teach you.

01:12:11.000 And the best way to teach somebody is to be happy about it and to let you have your feelings and then hopefully I can win you over with the fact that I'm just a happy dude.

01:12:20.000 Right.

01:12:21.000 And you can say things to me.

01:12:23.000 It doesn't hurt me because it's you don't understand.

01:12:26.000 Right.

01:12:26.000 That's the most important thing.

01:12:27.000 They're not going to define you.

01:12:28.000 They're not going to change who you are with their words either.

01:12:30.000 But if I'm angry at you and you're calling me like a freak or dude that's totally freaky and weird.

01:12:35.000 No.

01:12:35.000 I understand that you think it's freaky and weird.

01:12:37.000 Because it kind of is freaky and weird.

01:12:39.000 Right.

01:12:39.000 I totally get it.

01:12:40.000 I'm not totally out of bounds with that. 1.00

01:12:42.000 I completely understand that the man with the pussy is kind of weird and funny. 1.00

01:12:47.000 Well, you know, the anger thing where people want to kill you and the troll thing where they're hating. 1.00

01:12:52.000 I think all that is just misused potential.

01:12:55.000 That's what I think.

01:12:56.000 I think the human mind is incredibly complex, but it doesn't come with an instruction manual.

01:13:03.000 It doesn't come with...

01:13:05.000 You imagine if the human body was a vehicle that you had to learn how to use...

01:13:09.000 Right.

01:13:13.000 Right.

01:13:14.000 Right. 1.00

01:13:30.000 Jesus Christ, you'd have to learn a lot of shit. 1.00

01:13:32.000 You'd have to learn. 1.00

01:13:32.000 You'd have to find out how you're going to interact with the other humans. 1.00

01:13:37.000 So you've got to understand cause and effect.

01:13:39.000 You've got to understand action-reaction.

01:13:41.000 You've got to understand the powerful benefits of positive energy.

01:13:45.000 You've got to understand love.

01:13:46.000 You've got to understand insecurity.

01:13:48.000 You've got to understand jealousy.

01:13:49.000 You've got to understand all these waters that need to be navigated Before we let you in the stream of humanity.

01:13:55.000 Right.

01:13:56.000 And we don't. 1.00

01:13:57.000 We just fucking take all this potential and just go, get out of that fucking house! 1.00

01:14:01.000 And we push them out into the river of the world. 1.00

01:14:03.000 That's a good point.

01:14:04.000 And I think that's why a lot of those self-help books or people who teach those ways of thinking are so huge.

01:14:10.000 Because really, I think people want to learn to be like that.

01:14:13.000 Really, and the underlying part of it, people want to learn how to be calm and happy.

01:14:18.000 How does that person have that energy?

01:14:20.000 How do I get that?

01:14:22.000 It's turned to be a big benefit of this podcast.

01:14:26.000 That's one of the big benefits that people always cite.

01:14:34.000 We're good to go.

01:14:55.000 And that's a huge thing that you're doing really because you're changing that way and that way people think and then those people go to other people.

01:15:04.000 Yes.

01:15:04.000 And then they say the same thing.

01:15:06.000 So you're sort of like moving that positive energy along that totally line of people And it's only possible for me because I've got those ideas and that vibe and those good thoughts from other people online.

01:15:20.000 Exactly.

01:15:20.000 And it spreads.

01:15:21.000 And you've just got to learn what to focus on and what not to. 0.98

01:15:24.000 And if I wanted to go online and just pay attention to all the people who are trolling me, I'd fucking run my head through a wall. 0.99

01:15:31.000 If I only concentrated on them, it would go fucking everywhere! 0.99

01:15:34.000 Exactly. 0.95

01:15:35.000 If you have any sort of an internet presence whatsoever or say anything controversial, which I have both, you're going to have a massive amount of people that want to just push your buttons.

01:15:43.000 Completely.

01:15:44.000 And just potential.

01:15:46.000 They're just potential that's misused.

01:15:48.000 Almost universally.

01:15:50.000 Because there's some people that disagree with me on a bunch of different ideas.

01:15:53.000 And that's totally cool.

01:15:56.000 It's totally cool.

01:15:57.000 And I expect it.

01:15:58.000 Of course.

01:15:59.000 And one of the things that I always point out, in most situations, there's not a right or Right.

01:16:27.000 The real problem is when people want you to feel how they feel. 1.00

01:16:31.000 They feel like shit, they're hurting, they're hateful, they're just a mess. 1.00

01:16:37.000 And they just want to just throw up shit all over you and just turn your life into the same kind of shit that they have. 1.00

01:16:44.000 No, I totally get that. 1.00

01:16:45.000 And I get a lot of those haters too.

01:16:47.000 Of course.

01:16:47.000 And they turn my words around and they say, Buck said this about...

01:16:51.000 Trans women should do this. 1.00

01:16:52.000 I never said that.

01:16:54.000 Read the interview.

01:16:55.000 But I had to learn how to block them.

01:16:57.000 Because I did, I'll be honest, I did take it personally at one time.

01:17:01.000 Of course.

01:17:02.000 And then I was like, okay, wait a minute.

01:17:04.000 It's not me.

01:17:04.000 It's not my agenda.

01:17:05.000 It's their agenda.

01:17:06.000 It's not about what I do.

01:17:07.000 And so then I just had to learn to completely...

01:17:09.000 Remove myself from their situation.

01:17:11.000 I would say that people like that are like snake venom.

01:17:14.000 That you get a little bit of in your system and then you get immune.

01:17:17.000 And then when the snake bites you, you don't die.

01:17:19.000 Right.

01:17:19.000 You know, you go, oh, I know what you're doing.

01:17:21.000 Exactly.

01:17:21.000 Snake poison.

01:17:22.000 You totally get it.

01:17:23.000 It's really just like that. 0.99

01:17:25.000 And it's both on the side of the assholes but also on the side of the progressives. 1.00

01:17:30.000 I see progressives going after each other with snake venom, accusing each other of crazy shit. 1.00

01:17:35.000 Because of what you said before. 0.99

01:17:37.000 You want to put your agenda on someone else and they have to – if they don't get it and if they're not on board with you, then they're the bad person.

01:17:44.000 Yeah.

01:17:45.000 I don't understand people who don't understand what you just said.

01:17:47.000 You have an opinion about it and I have an opinion about it.

01:17:49.000 And it's totally cool.

01:17:50.000 I respect your opinion and you respect my opinion.

01:17:53.000 And then why can't we just leave it at that?

01:17:55.000 There's a lot of people that use the vehicle of discourse to try to hurt other people's opinions.

01:18:00.000 Hurt other people's feelings and to score points. 0.99

01:18:03.000 They'll like shit on people to score for themselves. 0.99

01:18:07.000 And I see it a lot. 0.99

01:18:09.000 And I'm not talking about someone making fun or using humor or like a Kanye West, Jimmy Kimmel type situation, which is totally warranted.

01:18:16.000 And I think in Jimmy Kimmel's defense, he's doing Kanye West a favor. 0.99

01:18:21.000 Kanye West needs to see how fucking ridiculous he looks. 0.99

01:18:24.000 Yeah, because he's not being cool about it. 1.00

01:18:26.000 Yes.

01:18:26.000 Totally.

01:18:27.000 He was being completely uncool in that interview and even less cool afterwards.

01:18:31.000 It reaffirmed why Jimmy Kimmel should have done that.

01:18:33.000 Exactly.

01:18:34.000 So I'm not talking about that, but I get so disturbed when I go online and people who are, whether they're feminists or whether they're skeptics or atheists, Attacking each other.

01:18:45.000 Attacking people in the community. 0.92

01:18:48.000 Like, coming out with reasons why this person's a rapist because he had sex with someone when they were drunk. 0.99

01:18:53.000 And everyone who does that's a rapist. 0.89

01:18:55.000 They're also taking this weird moral high ground when they do that.

01:18:58.000 They're getting brownie points.

01:19:00.000 They're getting social brownie points while they're doing it.

01:19:02.000 And you see it. 0.94

01:19:03.000 It's transparent and disgusting.

01:19:06.000 And it works.

01:19:07.000 It works.

01:19:08.000 It totally works.

01:19:08.000 You see it.

01:19:09.000 You see people praising them.

01:19:11.000 Thank you so much for exposing this.

01:19:12.000 That's why they do it.

01:19:13.000 Exactly.

01:19:13.000 It's exactly why they do it.

01:19:15.000 It's quite shocking.

01:19:15.000 You know who PZ Myers is?

01:19:16.000 Do you know this whole thing with Michael Shermer?

01:19:18.000 No. 0.99

01:19:18.000 It's fascinating shit. 0.99

01:19:19.000 He's accusing this guy who's this very famous skeptic, Michael Shermer, of not even rape. 0.99

01:19:24.000 The woman's saying that Michael Shermer put her in a position where she could not have consent.

01:19:29.000 She could not consent.

01:19:31.000 And what was the position?

01:19:31.000 It's very ambiguous.

01:19:32.000 The assumption is she was drunk.

01:19:35.000 Because he uses as corroborating evidence another woman's tale where she met him at a party and he made sure her glass was always full and she got drunker than she normally does.

01:19:46.000 And she's literally using this to corroborate what he said, meaning that he got her drunk.

01:19:51.000 Completely removing herself from any personal responsibility from actually drinking, being an adult and getting drunk.

01:19:56.000 And somehow or another, corroborating the story of the other person.

01:20:11.000 Yeah, that's the new language, dude.

01:20:16.000 Privilege is a weird one, right?

01:20:17.000 Privilege is a weird one.

01:20:18.000 I had to really learn that.

01:20:20.000 I get checked on that all the time, dude.

01:20:22.000 I'm now a privileged white man.

01:20:24.000 I get checked on that all the time.

01:20:25.000 All the time.

01:20:26.000 Male privilege, white privilege. 0.74

01:20:28.000 Male privilege.

01:20:28.000 I get checked on all of them.

01:20:29.000 And they use it to diffuse your arguments.

01:20:31.000 Oh yes they do.

01:20:31.000 They use it to diffuse your viewpoint.

01:20:33.000 And it's this weird fucking... 0.99

01:20:36.000 So are they saying he has male white privilege? 1.00

01:20:40.000 Yes.

01:20:42.000 Discounts the fact- so she doesn't have to take any responsibility whatsoever.

01:20:45.000 Yeah, I'm gonna- I have to tell you that I disagree with that.

01:20:48.000 Well, everyone who you have sex with is drunk. 0.99

01:20:49.000 And now people are gonna talk shit about me for days on the internet and I don't really fucking care. 1.00

01:20:53.000 Because the situation is this. 1.00

01:20:54.000 It takes two fucking people. 1.00

01:20:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:20:57.000 It does. 0.99

01:20:58.000 So what they've taken, they've taken a hard stance the other way, saying that everyone who has sex with anyone who's drunk is raping them, including women who have sex with drunk men. 0.99

01:21:08.000 So are you raping the man? 1.00

01:21:10.000 You're raping the man, yes. 0.99

01:21:12.000 No man would ever admit that though. 1.00

01:21:14.000 Men were happy to get raped in that situation. 1.00

01:21:18.000 It's so preposterous and it's so gross because it's a bunch of social retards. 1.00

01:21:22.000 That's the reality. 0.99

01:21:24.000 The reality is it's social retards. 1.00

01:21:27.000 First of all, you're ignoring the broad spectrum of alcoholic inebriation.

01:21:32.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:21:33.000 There's tipsy and then there's fucking unconscious. 1.00

01:21:35.000 Unconscious, that's rape. 1.00

01:21:37.000 Just before unconscious, that's rape. 0.95

01:21:40.000 Three quarters before unconscious, still rape. 0.98

01:21:42.000 Halfway to unconscious, pretty much rape. 0.94

01:21:44.000 I mean, it gets less rapey as you get more sober.

01:21:48.000 But the reality of, you know...

01:21:50.000 I'm not laughing about rape.

01:21:51.000 I just want everybody to know that.

01:21:52.000 But it is true. 0.90

01:21:53.000 I mean, I think the genius of the feminine agenda in this respect is almost like a... 1.00

01:21:59.000 It's almost a side effect.

01:22:01.000 And that genius is it forces the conversation.

01:22:04.000 Which is important.

01:22:05.000 It is important.

01:22:05.000 Yes.

01:22:06.000 And people who get people fucked up and do things to their body. 1.00

01:22:08.000 Fuckin' assholes. 1.00

01:22:10.000 They're pieces of shit. 1.00

01:22:10.000 Totally. 1.00

01:22:11.000 Whether it's a man or whether it's a woman. 0.75

01:22:13.000 I don't care.

01:22:13.000 Yes.

01:22:13.000 And I think that there's a good in that.

01:22:17.000 That this argument gets discussed.

01:22:18.000 But I don't buy the delivery man.

01:22:20.000 I don't buy that PZ Myers guy. 0.95

01:22:22.000 I think he's a creeper.

01:22:23.000 And I think the way he released that information, first of all, he's supposed to be a skeptic.

01:22:29.000 And the word skeptic, if you're a skeptic, you understand that the worst piece of evidence that you can possibly receive is personal experience.

01:22:38.000 Someone telling you what happened.

01:22:40.000 You don't know what they're saying.

01:22:42.000 You don't know how much of what they're saying.

01:22:44.000 And not only that, he didn't even get it secondhand.

01:22:45.000 He didn't get it from the person.

01:22:46.000 He got it secondhand.

01:22:48.000 Wow.

01:22:48.000 He got it from another person who told him.

01:22:50.000 So it's nonsense.

01:22:52.000 Now it's getting totally blown out.

01:22:53.000 Yeah.

01:22:54.000 Oh, totally blown out.

01:22:55.000 Yeah, totally blown out. 0.83

01:22:55.000 This is why I can prove he's a creeper. 0.83

01:22:57.000 Jamie, pull this up. 0.89

01:22:58.000 Pull up PZ Myers isn't a feminist. 1.00

01:23:01.000 There's this video of him at this conference making all these jokes with this woman saying that she would have to have sex with him if she got these... 0.97

01:23:09.000 This card game wrong. 0.87

01:23:10.000 She got the wrong card.

01:23:12.000 It's so gross and so transparent that I kind of love when you find a jewel like this.

01:23:18.000 Right. 0.99

01:23:19.000 Because you get to see, well, oh, this is a social retard. 1.00

01:23:22.000 Right. 1.00

01:23:22.000 This is a guy that sucked with women his whole life. 1.00

01:23:25.000 And now he's in this position of power being a professor. 0.99

01:23:28.000 So he decides that he's a male feminist.

01:23:30.000 Oh, does he say that?

01:23:31.000 Yes, he is.

01:23:32.000 And so he bathes in the warm milk of the adulation of all the people that are super progressive that go along with him.

01:23:38.000 Yet he stifles dissent in a very radical way on his forums.

01:23:42.000 If you disagree, even if you disagree in a very polite and civil way with him outing this Michael Shermer guy as a supposed rapist for having sex with an intoxicated woman, Even if you disagree in a civil way, he bans you from the forums. 0.99

01:23:55.000 Oh, and he's an idiot because now he's not open for discussion and it's all about him and his idea. 0.99

01:23:59.000 Massive censorship. 1.00

01:24:00.000 So wait, so he outed the guy who raped the girl? 0.98

01:24:03.000 Well, he outed the guy who he says was told had sex with a woman who could not consent. 0.93

01:24:09.000 No one ever says rape.

01:24:11.000 But he uses the word rape liberally after that.

01:24:15.000 And it's a weird thing. 0.93

01:24:16.000 He doesn't say the guy's a rapist, but in other posts they talk about rape and that is rape and having sex with someone who's intoxicated is rape. 0.99

01:24:25.000 But the black and white scale of that is so ridiculous. 1.00

01:24:31.000 Yes, I can't take it. 1.00

01:24:32.000 Why are you responsible when you drive, but you're not responsible when you fuck? 1.00

01:24:36.000 Right. 1.00

01:24:37.000 No, that's a great point, man. 1.00

01:24:38.000 You don't know that you're too drunk to fuck? 1.00

01:24:40.000 Right. 1.00

01:24:41.000 Then don't get yourself in that position.

01:24:43.000 And I'm not saying rape is okay.

01:24:44.000 Again, I need to say that.

01:24:47.000 But what is wrong, especially a lot of times, Women put themselves in these... 1.00

01:24:52.000 And I'm not saying they should be raped, but really, the world is fucked up. 0.99

01:24:56.000 And getting drunk in a situation that could turn bad is not a smart choice. 0.99

01:25:01.000 Yeah, but I don't think you should ever blame the woman for that.

01:25:03.000 I'm not blaming the woman.

01:25:04.000 I don't even like to think that way.

01:25:06.000 You have to be aware.

01:25:07.000 As a woman, you have to, yes. 1.00

01:25:09.000 I'm telling you.

01:25:10.000 I can say that because I used to be a woman.

01:25:12.000 You cannot put yourself in that situation.

01:25:15.000 I'm totally on the same page with you.

01:25:17.000 However, I don't think that...

01:25:18.000 But it's not okay.

01:25:20.000 I'm kind of saying something roundabout, but really, be conscious of these things.

01:25:26.000 Yes.

01:25:26.000 Don't put yourself in an environment.

01:25:28.000 It's almost unrelated to this story.

01:25:30.000 It is.

01:25:30.000 It's totally unrelated.

01:25:31.000 Because this guy, there's no excuse. 0.96

01:25:34.000 If he did get someone fucked up and do something to their body, there's no excuse for that, right? 0.98

01:25:38.000 Whether or not this woman shouldn't have been there, whether she should have known better, it doesn't matter. 0.98

01:25:42.000 But we don't know what happened.

01:25:43.000 We don't know what happened.

01:25:44.000 Exactly.

01:25:44.000 We don't know what happened.

01:25:45.000 And to call yourself a skeptic.

01:25:46.000 Yes.

01:25:47.000 And to put the That's not a skeptic.

01:25:48.000 It's not what they're doing.

01:25:49.000 What they're doing is getting social brownie points.

01:25:52.000 Yes, they are.

01:25:53.000 They're bathing in the warm glow of the adulation of their followers.

01:25:56.000 That's the thing is you can't say anything anymore without people taking it and saying you're saying one thing.

01:26:00.000 Did you find that video?

01:26:01.000 Play it.

01:26:02.000 Listen to this.

01:26:03.000 This is fascinating.

01:26:04.000 Pull it up so we can see it.

01:26:06.000 Do your belly dance.

01:26:07.000 This is the guy.

01:26:08.000 This is the guy with the beard, who apparently is a very brilliant man and a professor of biology.

01:26:13.000 At what university?

01:26:16.000 Listen to this.

01:26:17.000 She made me keep my clothes on.

01:26:18.000 Can you just let it?

01:26:19.000 Yeah.

01:26:21.000 This is where this video, some guys anointed him for all these different things.

01:26:26.000 We lied, we lied, we lied.

01:26:29.000 We always lie to you, so.

01:26:31.000 Get off my stage, I got work to do.

01:26:33.000 So he's just joking around here.

01:26:35.000 Everything's cool. 0.96

01:26:36.000 You know, just being silly with someone. 0.87

01:26:39.000 Now, this is him dealing with this other woman, some card thing they're doing. 0.95

01:26:44.000 Okay, you right there.

01:26:46.000 Purple shirt, yes.

01:26:49.000 You'll do.

01:26:49.000 So he does not know her.

01:26:51.000 Very clearly does not know her.

01:26:52.000 Pulling her out of the audience.

01:26:56.000 I don't know what that says.

01:26:57.000 We can't see it because of our thing.

01:27:01.000 Of course, there could also be higher stakes. 0.99

01:27:04.000 We could say, you know, for instance, if I win this hand, I get to kill and eat you. 0.99

01:27:11.000 They're playing around. 0.99

01:27:12.000 They're playing cards here. 1.00

01:27:14.000 Another thing is, you know, if you win the hand, then I would have to submit and have sex with you. 0.99

01:27:22.000 Okay, he's just joking around, I guess. 0.99

01:27:24.000 But it's very awkward.

01:27:27.000 Imagine if that was your wife. 0.99

01:27:31.000 Okay, look at this.

01:27:38.000 Okay, the brush off, well sorta, it says.

01:27:41.000 Go back to your seat.

01:27:43.000 No, take the cards with you. 0.82

01:27:44.000 I gotta call you back for the sex part later, so hang on to those.

01:27:47.000 Okay, you hear the weird...

01:27:52.000 Okay, we don't need to play the rest of it. 1.00

01:27:55.000 But that guy needs to shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:28:00.000 If you actually said that... 0.99

01:28:01.000 I'm totally like, my brain is kind of getting it.

01:28:03.000 It affirms what my suspicions were. 0.78

01:28:06.000 My suspicions were social retard. 1.00

01:28:08.000 Right. 0.98

01:28:08.000 And that is, those are the words of a social retard. 0.98

01:28:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:11.000 That's an awkward person who tries to make a joke about having sex with a woman. 1.00

01:28:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:28:15.000 But he calls himself a feminist? 0.99

01:28:17.000 Yes, exactly.

01:28:18.000 If that was your wife or girlfriend and he did that, you would be horrified.

01:28:21.000 Anyways, I don't care if it was my wife or girlfriend.

01:28:24.000 He's not a feminist. 0.77

01:28:25.000 Yeah.

01:28:25.000 You don't talk like that as a feminist, first off.

01:28:28.000 That's just really inappropriate behavior. 1.00

01:28:30.000 He's a hypocrite. 1.00

01:28:31.000 Oh, clearly. 1.00

01:28:32.000 Clearly. 0.92

01:28:33.000 But what I was saying before was that even people in the progressive movement do shitty, douchey things like that. 0.76

01:28:40.000 Like this guy with this Michael Sherman thing. 0.53

01:28:42.000 Right.

01:28:42.000 It all comes from the same place.

01:28:45.000 It doesn't come from a place of love.

01:28:47.000 It doesn't come from a place of peace.

01:28:48.000 No.

01:28:48.000 Yes.

01:28:52.000 Yes.

01:28:58.000 Yes.

01:29:06.000 Yes.

01:29:06.000 You're not doing it in a loving way.

01:29:09.000 In a loving way.

01:29:09.000 No way.

01:29:09.000 Exactly.

01:29:10.000 That's an agenda.

01:29:11.000 Clearly an agenda.

01:29:11.000 And he found his people that he could totally work his agenda to.

01:29:15.000 Exactly.

01:29:16.000 Which is that feminist movement. 1.00

01:29:17.000 That's fucking dangerous. 1.00

01:29:18.000 And it's just like religion. 1.00

01:29:19.000 Yes.

01:29:19.000 What we were talking about earlier today.

01:29:21.000 Yes.

01:29:21.000 It's the same thing.

01:29:22.000 It's coming from a place of fear.

01:29:23.000 Yes.

01:29:23.000 It's coming from a place of control.

01:29:25.000 It's the same goddamn thing. 0.99

01:29:26.000 And the control is super obvious when you see the fucking suppression of free speech that he puts on his own blogs. 0.99

01:29:32.000 The fact that on his own blogs, he censors anybody that disagrees, even if they disagree civilly. 1.00

01:29:38.000 He's a total piece of shit! 1.00

01:29:39.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:29:40.000 He doesn't even know what he's doing.

01:29:41.000 And that's the thing is, with communities a lot of times they censor our speech and they tell us we can't say, and I'm using myself as an example here, I'm not allowed to say certain things because they don't reflect our community.

01:29:55.000 But I'm like, but I'm a person first and it is the way I believe and I think it is important for me to speak my mind about certain things.

01:30:01.000 We all can't think the same way like we talked about earlier.

01:30:04.000 We all have different ways we think things should be And it's only from my own personal experience, but within my specific community, I'm not allowed to say certain words or react to certain things.

01:30:14.000 I'm not, like, what? 0.84

01:30:16.000 Well, I think for a lot of folks that do feel marginalized or have been marginalized, like, they've fucking, they've hit that, like, the guy from Network. 0.97

01:30:25.000 I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. 0.96

01:30:28.000 So, like, these are the parameters.

01:30:29.000 This is what we'll accept.

01:30:30.000 This is what we won't accept.

01:30:32.000 And in that way, I understand angry feminism. 0.97

01:30:34.000 I do, but I'm telling you right now, I wouldn't be where I am right now if I had that anger.

01:30:39.000 I wouldn't be.

01:30:40.000 Because you wouldn't get in the doors.

01:30:42.000 I wouldn't get in the doors.

01:30:43.000 People wouldn't want to listen to me because I was...

01:30:45.000 And I really have to tell you, a lot of the communities are really angry and they alienate people like myself who want to further our acceptance in the world.

01:30:54.000 Obviously I want to, but because I don't use the same way driving angry force, Then I'm the bad person.

01:31:01.000 I'm actually not for that.

01:31:02.000 And I don't believe in that.

01:31:03.000 I believe, like I said earlier, really getting people to understand.

01:31:06.000 You have to educate the people who don't understand us.

01:31:09.000 And isn't it funny that like what we were talking about earlier, like weird acronyms that people use and categories that are very specific and then language like privilege that gets used almost as it's like, you know, like you let them know you're speaking the lingo.

01:31:25.000 Noam Chomsky actually addressed this because he's a linguist.

01:31:29.000 And he was talking about how they're sort of pretending, like a lot of radical progressives, pretending that this is almost scientific because they hear quantum theorists talk in this really strange, ethereal language that no one really understands.

01:31:45.000 So they sort of use the same kind of jargon in regards to psychology and sociology, in regards to progressive ideas.

01:31:53.000 Exactly.

01:31:54.000 And so they're not trying to be understood.

01:31:56.000 They're trying to be outside of the realm of understanding so that you can't question them.

01:32:02.000 But you are going to question them.

01:32:04.000 But in their mind, you don't even get it.

01:32:06.000 It's LBTQTF. I know. 0.58

01:32:07.000 It's totally out of control.

01:32:09.000 And I don't use it.

01:32:10.000 So like, I don't know if you know what cisgendered is.

01:32:13.000 No, what does that mean?

01:32:13.000 I've heard that.

01:32:14.000 I don't know what it means.

01:32:15.000 It's basically a biological, like you, were born in the body that you have chosen to be in.

01:32:19.000 What does cis stand for? 0.60

01:32:21.000 So cis, you have to look it up on the internet. 0.97

01:32:23.000 I don't use it, and I'll tell you why.

01:32:24.000 Is it CIS gender?

01:32:25.000 CIS, yeah.

01:32:26.000 So I don't use it specifically.

01:32:28.000 And I don't, it's fine they use it.

01:32:29.000 I use it because I want to educate people.

01:32:31.000 Now I have to educate you on cisgendered when I just use the word biological.

01:32:35.000 You get biological, do you not?

01:32:37.000 Yes.

01:32:37.000 Right.

01:32:37.000 That's better.

01:32:38.000 That's better.

01:32:39.000 Cisgender, in Wikipedia, according to Wikipedia, often abbreviated to simply cis, described related types of gender identity where an individual's self-perception of their gender matches the sex they were assigned at birth.

01:32:53.000 So meaning...

01:32:54.000 Biological.

01:32:55.000 Biological.

01:32:56.000 Yeah.

01:32:57.000 But they felt a need, and I'm not...

01:33:01.000 Being rude or disrespectful, but they felt a need to make their own word because you as a biological person or the straight world have made words for us.

01:33:12.000 So it's sort of like we now have our own word for you.

01:33:16.000 You get it?

01:33:17.000 So I'm like, that's cool, go right ahead, but that's not...

01:33:19.000 For me, I need to educate you.

01:33:21.000 And if I keep getting watered down, you lose...

01:33:24.000 You lose it.

01:33:25.000 That's hysterical.

01:33:26.000 You lose it, and you're not really getting it.

01:33:28.000 Do you know about the case where there was a man who became a female and then started MMA fighting?

01:33:34.000 Yeah, Fallon, she's my friend.

01:33:36.000 She's your friend.

01:33:36.000 Of course she's my friend.

01:33:37.000 What do you think about that situation? 0.97

01:33:39.000 What do you think about, first of all, the fact that she didn't tell people that she used to be a man and got into MMA and fought a bunch of women and beat the shit out of them. 0.99

01:33:47.000 I get it. 0.95

01:33:48.000 And then now that she wants to compete as a woman. 0.99

01:33:51.000 Well, okay.

01:33:52.000 She's a woman. 0.82

01:33:53.000 To me, she's a woman.

01:33:54.000 She completely changed.

01:33:55.000 Identifies as a woman.

01:33:56.000 She identifies as a woman.

01:33:57.000 Again, we're going to come back to what makes you a man and a woman, right? 0.57

01:34:00.000 Now, with fighting, with fighting, it's not my profession.

01:34:04.000 It's not my thing.

01:34:06.000 But she wrote me.

01:34:08.000 So can I show you what she wrote me?

01:34:09.000 Sure.

01:34:10.000 And I want you to read it so that you can see what she said.

01:34:13.000 Because, of course, I knew you were going to bring this up.

01:34:14.000 And I think it's very important.

01:34:16.000 That you get it from her.

01:34:18.000 Because for me I can't speak for her because she's a trans woman.

01:34:21.000 I'm a trans man.

01:34:22.000 Well you can't speak for her because it's not you.

01:34:23.000 And also it's not me.

01:34:24.000 And also I'm not versed enough in that world of that sport.

01:34:29.000 So I can't tell you what the rules.

01:34:31.000 But if you're just going to ask me generally what I feel about it.

01:34:34.000 I do feel that she is a woman.

01:34:35.000 And I do feel that she has the right.

01:34:37.000 To fight as a woman.

01:34:38.000 It's like saying that I can't use the men's restroom because I'm not really a man.

01:34:43.000 It is and it isn't.

01:34:44.000 In a general kind of way.

01:34:46.000 It is and it isn't.

01:34:46.000 Well, why don't you read what she had to say for you first.

01:34:49.000 I want you to see this.

01:34:50.000 Because I think it is super important.

01:34:52.000 I think it's a completely valid argument.

01:34:56.000 110%.

01:34:56.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:34:57.000 I don't have any service in here.

01:35:01.000 What a bummer.

01:35:02.000 Powerful AT&T. You have AT&T? No, I have T-Mobile because I have...

01:35:07.000 How dare you?

01:35:08.000 This is one of those unlocked phones.

01:35:10.000 If you step outside that door, I bet you can go...

01:35:14.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:35:15.000 We have it.

01:35:16.000 Yeah, Jamie, can you get in the password?

01:35:17.000 So, I wanted to...

01:35:18.000 Let me...

01:35:19.000 Since while you're looking for it, while we're...

01:35:20.000 Here's two issues with it.

01:35:23.000 One that I have is the mail frame.

01:35:25.000 The mechanics of the mail frame.

01:35:27.000 It is different.

01:35:28.000 Okay.

01:35:28.000 You know, it's different, like...

01:35:30.000 If you're a person who has large man hands and man shoulders, that doesn't go away if you take estrogen.

01:35:36.000 And the mechanics of the male frame are a significant advantage.

01:35:39.000 There's also a significant advantage in reaction speed that men enjoy.

01:35:43.000 Ten percent.

01:35:44.000 It's a massive amount.

01:35:45.000 That's across the board, pretty much.

01:35:47.000 With athletes, there's a massive reaction time difference between men and females.

01:35:52.000 There's also learning the skills as a man, being up to 30 years of being a man and then becoming a woman.

01:35:58.000 These are all completely unfair advantages that a man would have entering into female combat sports. 0.98

01:36:04.000 But you're saying every man is the same body type?

01:36:07.000 No, I'm not.

01:36:07.000 I'm not saying that.

01:36:09.000 We'll go into that.

01:36:10.000 But here's the big one.

01:36:11.000 The big one is she didn't say that she used to be a man.

01:36:14.000 She never told anyone.

01:36:15.000 No.

01:36:16.000 Not until it came out, and then when it came out, the last fight was sanctioned as her being a trans woman. 1.00

01:36:22.000 But the fights before that, her opponents, I've spoken to them.

01:36:26.000 They were furious.

01:36:27.000 They were upset, and they were told that they were bigots by people online.

01:36:31.000 They were attacked.

01:36:31.000 This one girl who emailed me and thanked me She was telling me that she was getting attacked left and right by so-called progressives because they were calling her a bigot because a trans woman that she didn't know used to be a man fought her and she was pissed off about it because the guy ragdolled her.

01:36:50.000 Well, I mean, there's so much more involved in this.

01:36:52.000 You know that, right?

01:36:53.000 It's not black and white, like anything we've been talking about.

01:36:56.000 Nothing is black and white.

01:36:57.000 It's just not.

01:36:58.000 It's not.

01:36:58.000 And I shouldn't say that she ragdolled her.

01:37:01.000 She beat the shit out of them like a guy would beat the shit out of women. 1.00

01:37:04.000 It's hard to watch. 1.00

01:37:05.000 Because if you watch the physical advantages that she has over these women, she's not that good. 1.00

01:37:09.000 I know when I look at someone who's good technically...

01:37:12.000 Yeah, you're a professional.

01:37:13.000 I totally agree.

01:37:14.000 I understand.

01:37:14.000 What I'm seeing is someone ragdoll people.

01:37:16.000 I'm seeing her smash these girls. 1.00

01:37:19.000 And you think it's because of her frame?

01:37:21.000 Look at my hands.

01:37:22.000 See the size of my hands?

01:37:23.000 No matter how many female hormones I took, I would still have those bones. 1.00

01:37:26.000 No, I know.

01:37:26.000 Look at my hands.

01:37:27.000 Small girl hands.

01:37:28.000 Totally.

01:37:28.000 That's a massive advantage.

01:37:30.000 There's a massive advantage in the shape of the hips. 0.93

01:37:32.000 There's a massive advantage in the width of the shoulders.

01:37:35.000 But there are some biological women that are her size. 1.00

01:37:37.000 You're right.

01:37:38.000 There are.

01:37:38.000 There are a few.

01:37:39.000 But it's still not exactly the same.

01:37:42.000 The mechanical advantages of the male body still exist.

01:37:46.000 If you have a man and a woman and they're the same weight and they're the same sort of muscularity, there's still a difference in the frame.

01:37:52.000 There's a difference in the shape of the hips.

01:37:54.000 There's a difference in the reaction time.

01:37:57.000 My frame is still female.

01:37:58.000 I totally understand that.

01:38:00.000 But that said, I think you have to read what she said because, again, I think it's important.

01:38:05.000 There are variables, though.

01:38:06.000 And there's Serena Williams, who's like this super alpha female. 0.57

01:38:10.000 No, totally.

01:38:11.000 And then there's girls who, like, there's a woman who's fighting on The Ultimate Fighter right now, who's very skilled, Roxanne Martafari.

01:38:18.000 But she's very feminine. 0.83

01:38:19.000 She's very feminine.

01:38:20.000 She doesn't have that fast-twitch explosive muscle fiber that, you know, some women have more of. 1.00

01:38:25.000 But I think Fallen lost a lot of that when she started to take estrogen. 0.85

01:38:28.000 Maybe.

01:38:29.000 She doesn't have the testosterone in her body. 1.00

01:38:31.000 I am down with almost everything except combat sports.

01:38:34.000 The reason being is that combat sports...

01:38:36.000 Because of her hands. 0.99

01:38:36.000 Because of the frame, the hands, the mechanical advantage, the reaction time, and the consequences. 0.99

01:38:42.000 Your physical health, the consequences of fighting, you're getting hurt badly.

01:38:47.000 And if there's an unfair advantage, and that person uses that unfair advantage, whether it's taking steroids and cheating or taking blood enhancers like EPO, those are all illegal because they change the field.

01:38:58.000 Now, there are people that are born with more testosterone.

01:39:01.000 It's a natural advantage.

01:39:02.000 You can choose to and not to fight them.

01:39:05.000 But in this situation, we're dealing with a man-made variable.

01:39:09.000 And I think it needs to be, A, addressed before you ever fight, for sure.

01:39:13.000 And I think fighting four times or however many times she fought in secret like that as a trans woman is very dangerous. 1.00

01:39:21.000 Well, I understand your point.

01:39:22.000 I completely do.

01:39:23.000 I completely do.

01:39:24.000 And it's a very difficult – like I'm saying, it's very difficult.

01:39:28.000 I know as a trans person, I guess for me – yeah, okay, so I'm going to give you the example of this. 0.99

01:39:34.000 Let's say I was going to go home with somebody and have sex with them, okay? 0.96

01:39:37.000 I'm a huge, huge advocate for disclosure. 1.00

01:39:41.000 So I'm not going to – if we're just hanging out in a bar and drinking, I don't need to tell you that I'm a man with a pussy, right? 1.00

01:39:47.000 But let's say we're going to go home and fuck. 1.00

01:39:49.000 I need to tell you right now, dude. 1.00

01:39:53.000 You're not going to get a cock right now. 1.00

01:39:55.000 You're going to get a pussy. 1.00

01:39:56.000 And that is so important to me that people understand that you cannot put that other person in that position. 1.00

01:40:02.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:40:03.000 You cannot put somebody in a position of uncomfortability when you bring them home and they think one thing and you...

01:40:09.000 Do another.

01:40:10.000 So I am big on disclosure.

01:40:12.000 Good for you.

01:40:12.000 I think...

01:40:13.000 I can't speak for this woman, but I think in her case she wanted to be a woman.

01:40:18.000 Exactly.

01:40:18.000 So she had to make that choice in her own mind.

01:40:20.000 What was more important?

01:40:22.000 And would people...

01:40:23.000 How did people find out?

01:40:25.000 Somebody told on her.

01:40:26.000 Really?

01:40:27.000 She got in trouble.

01:40:27.000 Yeah.

01:40:28.000 But she's legally a female, is she not? 1.00

01:40:31.000 I don't know where her... 1.00

01:40:33.000 Well, some commissions will accept that.

01:40:35.000 Like if her birth certificate was changed, she's legally a female.

01:40:38.000 I don't know if that happened with her or whatever.

01:40:40.000 I don't know.

01:40:41.000 I think you still...

01:40:41.000 It's a medical thing, a disclosure thing.

01:40:43.000 I think in some athletic commissions, being a trans woman is a medical disclosure thing.

01:40:48.000 So let's say I were to start fighting MMA. Yeah.

01:40:52.000 Would I have to disclose that I'm a trans man?

01:40:55.000 Yeah, I think you probably would.

01:40:57.000 I would imagine.

01:40:58.000 It depends on the commission.

01:41:00.000 But it's less dangerous.

01:41:02.000 I don't think people are going to make a big deal out of it as me going in, right?

01:41:06.000 No.

01:41:07.000 Than as a woman I think it's totally different for trans women, I'm telling you.

01:41:11.000 They have to deal with this all across the board.

01:41:13.000 For the restroom, people freak out on that. 1.00

01:41:14.000 But that's also the advantage.

01:41:15.000 We just discussed your small hands and my giant hands.

01:41:18.000 If I just became a woman and we had a cage fight, I would have a big advantage just because of the frame. 1.00

01:41:24.000 That's a big advantage.

01:41:26.000 I know it's an advantage.

01:41:27.000 I know as a martial arts expert my whole life how much that plays a factor.

01:41:32.000 It plays a big factor.

01:41:33.000 So, yeah, I know.

01:41:35.000 It's a fascinating discussion, and of course, I do understand both sides.

01:41:40.000 I do.

01:41:41.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:41:42.000 Here, can I read it?

01:41:44.000 Yeah, read her statement.

01:41:45.000 I've been taking estrogen for around 10 years now.

01:41:49.000 I had my GRS, her sex reassignment, six years ago.

01:41:53.000 After GRS, MTFs, male to females, have a lower testosterone count than even cisgendered females.

01:41:59.000 This is regardless of if we take estrogen or not.

01:42:03.000 It's harder for me to keep off fat.

01:42:06.000 It affects my cardio, my bone density, and decreased female range. 0.99

01:42:10.000 At first, he said muscles would be stronger, but he backtracked from that when he found out he was wrong.

01:42:16.000 Did you say that?

01:42:17.000 No.

01:42:18.000 He said my bone density was in female range.

01:42:21.000 He backtracked from that also.

01:42:23.000 No, I didn't.

01:42:24.000 He found that out.

01:42:26.000 What he had been left with is bone structure, which you just said to me.

01:42:31.000 That's what I last heard him clinging onto.

01:42:36.000 She's obviously upset about it because she just is.

01:42:40.000 He was trying to say that I have a great advantage because of my reach, but my reach isn't that great.

01:42:47.000 I was only one inch longer in reach on my last opponent.

01:42:52.000 My next opponent is taller than me by about 1 1⁄2 or 11 1⁄2 inches.

01:42:59.000 It's likely that her reach is longer or same as mine.

01:43:04.000 So that shoots that out of the sky.

01:43:06.000 Her name is Ashley Evans-Smith.

01:43:11.000 Wait.

01:43:11.000 Okay, so then she had me search this video right here.

01:43:15.000 This woman, my last opponent, fought was Veronica Rothenhauser. 1.00

01:43:22.000 She is about six feet. 0.72

01:43:24.000 She knocked out my Ashley, the girl I'm about to fight, in five seconds. 1.00

01:43:29.000 There was like a five-second knockout.

01:43:31.000 It was the quickest knockout in women's MMA history. 0.99

01:43:34.000 Her bone structure is greater than like 90% of the fighter... 0.99

01:43:51.000 Okay, first of all, there's a lot of bullshit there. 0.99

01:43:58.000 Her reach is inconsequential. 0.99

01:44:00.000 You weigh in.

01:44:02.000 It certainly helps to have a long reach, but it also helps to be shorter and stockier if you use certain techniques.

01:44:08.000 Kusamar, Paul Harris style.

01:44:10.000 Here's the thing about bone density.

01:44:12.000 Estrogen is what actually causes bone density.

01:44:15.000 It causes bone growth.

01:44:16.000 It's not testosterone.

01:44:17.000 Men convert testosterone peripherally to estrogen.

01:44:20.000 This is all coming from a doctor who responded to this, Dr. Ramona Krutzit, MD, and as my friend Steph Daniels, A.K.A. Crooklyn, put this article on Bloody Elbow, which is an MMA website about this.

01:44:36.000 Where this doctor was detailing advantages that a male to female transgender would have.

01:44:42.000 Because the information that is available online is very biased in a lot of ways.

01:44:48.000 And the information is coming from people that are supporting transgender women competing against cis women, as you will.

01:44:57.000 So here you have a man who is on hormonal blockers to block testosterone but is now taking estrogen, which is going to prevent osteoporosis.

01:45:07.000 That's how you say it, right?

01:45:08.000 So there wouldn't be a great percentage of bone density loss per se.

01:45:12.000 Males have a higher bone density and higher mass skeletons than females.

01:45:16.000 And it takes a long time for that to diminish.

01:45:19.000 Typically, you're looking at 15 years after androgen suppression and SRS to really start to see significant changes in bone density.

01:45:29.000 So right there, this doctor is saying that she has a male bone structure.

01:45:33.000 So, yeah, we also have to cite his research on that somehow.

01:45:39.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:45:40.000 But what you're showing, at least, is one person who's an expert in the field, a board-certified endocrinologist, who's telling you that, no, this is not true, and that this bone density issue, it takes more than 15 years, and it's a significant advantage that he would enjoy,

01:45:57.000 or a male to female would enjoy once she became a she. 0.94

01:46:01.000 Right.

01:46:01.000 Over other cis females.

01:46:12.000 How are they maintaining her levels?

01:46:14.000 Are they keeping them at a very high end or the low end?

01:46:17.000 And are her normal ranges for those values?

01:46:20.000 There are huge normal ranges for those values.

01:46:23.000 Since you're dealing with endogenous or ex-dogenous, is that what you say it?

01:46:28.000 How do you say it when it's artificial hormones that you're inserting into your system?

01:46:33.000 Whatever.

01:46:33.000 You're engineering your hormone levels instead of letting your endocrine system do that.

01:46:38.000 So it's very debatable.

01:46:39.000 What are the levels?

01:46:41.000 How come nobody asked for her levels?

01:46:44.000 Have they?

01:46:44.000 Well, they do.

01:46:45.000 I'm sure they do.

01:46:45.000 They do, especially now.

01:46:47.000 She developed fully into a male with a normal musculature and bone structure.

01:46:50.000 She didn't undergo hormone therapy and surgery until she was fully developed as compared to someone who completes therapy and surgery in their adolescence and or early adulthood.

01:47:02.000 Men are completely developed by the age of 22 and she didn't start a therapy until several years later than that.

01:47:07.000 Right.

01:47:08.000 So there's also other things that she goes over, different reasons, several different, and we don't have to continue going into it.

01:47:17.000 It's a very difficult, because of course I'm coming to it from...

01:47:22.000 I'm a man, so I should be treated like a man, whether you like it or not.

01:47:25.000 Well, you're also coming to it as someone who's supporting transgender and supporting the idea of gender identity.

01:47:29.000 Because it's my life, right?

01:47:30.000 So it's like, of course I have to understand that.

01:47:33.000 I personally don't understand why she didn't disclose, because I would have.

01:47:37.000 I think probably for the same reason why she was deceptive in that letter that she wrote to you about the things that I said.

01:47:43.000 I didn't disagree about bone structure.

01:47:46.000 I think she has a higher bone structure than most females. 1.00

01:47:48.000 I didn't disagree about the strength of her muscles.

01:47:50.000 I don't know what she's... 0.65

01:47:51.000 I look at her, that's a big woman. 0.97

01:47:53.000 That's a big, strong woman, and she manhandles girls in the cage. 1.00

01:47:56.000 She beats the shit out of them. 1.00

01:47:57.000 And when I found out that she used to be a man, I go, well, that's what I'm seeing. 1.00

01:48:02.000 That's what I'm seeing.

01:48:03.000 I'm seeing a ridiculous strength advantage. 1.00

01:48:07.000 Yeah, there's girls that are strong as shit, no doubt. 1.00

01:48:09.000 And there's probably girls that could beat her ass, no doubt. 1.00

01:48:11.000 There's girls like Cyborg that, you know, shit. 1.00

01:48:14.000 A lot of guys wouldn't want to fuck with her. 1.00

01:48:15.000 Professional fighters wouldn't want to fuck with Cyborg. 1.00

01:48:18.000 But then there's also that Cyborg got popped doing steroids herself. 0.99

01:48:22.000 You know, she actually inserted some male hormones in her own system. 1.00

01:48:26.000 My point is, if you do want to do something like this, first of all, A, disclosure is fucking huge. 0.91

01:48:33.000 And B, you need to be tested.

01:48:36.000 And you need to be tested, like, across the board on everything.

01:48:39.000 You can't just be saying I have low bone density and saying I have low testosterone. 0.99

01:48:44.000 We need to know what the fuck is really going on. 0.99

01:48:47.000 And it has to be disclosed if people want to compete against you. 0.99

01:48:50.000 And I'm sure Cyborg would have no problem beating the shit out of that chick. 1.00

01:48:53.000 Well, the thing is, I think Fallon comes to it with no – she's like the first person to ever do this. 0.98

01:48:59.000 So there's a lot of stuff going on there, right?

01:49:01.000 So it is.

01:49:03.000 It's a very touchy situation because she just feels like a woman. 1.00

01:49:06.000 So she feels like, I'm a woman.

01:49:08.000 I don't need to discuss this.

01:49:09.000 Right, but she started fighting as a woman. 1.00

01:49:11.000 But now it's different, I have to tell you.

01:49:13.000 Obviously it's out in the open.

01:49:15.000 People know about it.

01:49:16.000 She has a huge opportunity right now to actually open it up for lots more transgender fighters and figure out how we can change it. 1.00

01:49:23.000 How do we change this so it is cool for you to fight and everybody feels cool about it, right?

01:49:29.000 Yes.

01:49:29.000 How do we do that now?

01:49:30.000 That's a real good question.

01:49:32.000 Well, at least now it's out in the open.

01:49:33.000 So now I have no problem with anybody who chooses to compete against her now.

01:49:37.000 I don't have any problem with a woman who chooses to compete against men. 1.00

01:49:40.000 But that's awesome that you just said that.

01:49:41.000 That's like huge for trans people for you to say, I don't have a problem with it, but how do we do it that it's fair?

01:49:47.000 Because sports is all about fair.

01:49:49.000 It is.

01:49:50.000 It's all about fear.

01:49:51.000 I don't care what sport.

01:49:52.000 But this is not just a regular sport.

01:49:54.000 This is a sport that puts your health on the line.

01:49:56.000 Right.

01:49:56.000 I understand that.

01:49:57.000 And that's the reality.

01:49:57.000 She's giving these girls concussions.

01:49:59.000 Yes.

01:49:59.000 And the reality of combat sports is not like losing a soccer game.

01:50:03.000 Right.

01:50:04.000 You know, it's a huge difference.

01:50:05.000 It's a totally different sport.

01:50:06.000 I get it.

01:50:07.000 That's why I get so adamant about it.

01:50:09.000 The reason why she's so defensive about it is she's got to realize that she hurt those girls. 0.99

01:50:14.000 She knows she did.

01:50:15.000 Did she actually physically? 0.99

01:50:16.000 Fucked them up. 0.99

01:50:17.000 Fucked four or five of them up in the first round. 1.00

01:50:19.000 Oh, in the first round? 0.98

01:50:20.000 Yes.

01:50:21.000 Real quick beatdowns.

01:50:22.000 Brutal beatdowns.

01:50:23.000 She didn't take any damage at all in those fights.

01:50:25.000 There was one fight where one girl hit her with a couple of punches boxing. 1.00

01:50:29.000 She did pretty good. 1.00

01:50:30.000 She got her on the ground and put her fucking shit in her neck and shoved her out. 1.00

01:50:32.000 Are you giving her any credit for her fighting skills, though? 1.00

01:50:35.000 They're okay.

01:50:36.000 I know what good fighting skills look like.

01:50:38.000 I mean, she's a decent competitor. 1.00

01:50:40.000 So you're saying basically that all comes from her?

01:50:42.000 She's manhandling them. 1.00

01:50:42.000 That comes from manhandling. 1.00

01:50:43.000 It doesn't come from her...

01:50:44.000 That's what I'm seeing.

01:50:45.000 What I'm seeing is a huge strength advantage.

01:50:49.000 And that happens with men.

01:50:51.000 And that happens with women, too. 1.00

01:50:52.000 There's women that can fucking ragdoll chicks and kick their ass. 1.00

01:50:55.000 Totally. 1.00

01:50:56.000 Cis women, as you were. 1.00

01:50:57.000 I know.

01:50:58.000 I'm getting you a t-shirt, dude.

01:50:59.000 I'll wear it.

01:51:01.000 I get that, but that's natural.

01:51:05.000 When you're engineering it, of course people are going to be upset. 0.56

01:51:09.000 When you're engineering it, especially when you listen to this doctor say that it takes 15 fucking years before there's any change at all, and that you will have the bone density of a man.

01:51:18.000 This is a board-certified endocrinologist who has no stake in the game. 0.94

01:51:21.000 Not someone who's a gender reassignment doctor, which is what I've read all across the board.

01:51:27.000 Positive in defense of this, it's all been people who are working in that industry.

01:51:32.000 Yeah, of course.

01:51:32.000 All been people who have a vested interest in supporting the idea that transgender female has no advantages.

01:51:39.000 Of course.

01:51:39.000 Of course they do, but you can't...

01:51:40.000 But that's fucked up. 0.97

01:51:41.000 It shouldn't be of course. 0.99

01:51:42.000 I agree with you on that.

01:51:43.000 It's about facts.

01:51:45.000 Yes.

01:51:45.000 You have to always look at the facts.

01:51:47.000 And if you have actual medical...

01:51:49.000 Stuff there that says that this person has an advantage over that.

01:51:52.000 You cannot ignore it.

01:51:53.000 It's not being anti-transgender.

01:51:55.000 It's not.

01:51:56.000 Do you know who Rene Richards is?

01:52:00.000 Yeah, of course.

01:52:00.000 For folks who don't know, Rene Richards was basically just a regular tennis player.

01:52:07.000 Not that good as a man. 1.00

01:52:09.000 Became a woman and was a mother fucker. 1.00

01:52:13.000 She was so good. 1.00

01:52:15.000 This is way back in the day.

01:52:17.000 Trans women had a massive head start on people like you. 1.00

01:52:21.000 She was actually barred from playing as a woman in the US Open in 1976. 76!

01:52:28.000 Unless she submitted to chromosomal testing.

01:52:31.000 She sued the United States Tennis Association in 77. She won the right to play as a woman without submitting to any testing.

01:52:38.000 And she played between 77 and 81. She was ranked as high as 20th overall.

01:52:43.000 And her highest ranking was the end of her last year in 77 was 22nd. 0.68

01:52:49.000 She was 20th and 22nd. 0.97

01:52:51.000 It's pretty fucking good. 0.97

01:52:52.000 I mean, it's really... 0.97

01:52:54.000 She's a pioneer.

01:52:54.000 She totally is a pioneer.

01:52:56.000 She dominated bitches. 1.00

01:52:57.000 But you know what? 1.00

01:52:58.000 We gotta break through shit. 1.00

01:52:59.000 Dude, we gotta break through shit. 1.00

01:53:01.000 It's how it works for us. 0.99

01:53:02.000 Listen, she wasn't fucking hurting anybody. 0.97

01:53:04.000 Right. 0.98

01:53:04.000 I get your point. 0.98

01:53:06.000 I totally get your point.

01:53:07.000 And I think it's valid.

01:53:08.000 My anger about it, my distrust, there's several.

01:53:13.000 One, the lack of disclosure initially.

01:53:14.000 Right.

01:53:15.000 Two, in reading her very thing where she's deceptive in her email and she says a bunch of things that I didn't say.

01:53:21.000 Right.

01:53:21.000 That shows me the way her mind works.

01:53:24.000 That's a problem. 0.86

01:53:25.000 That's not a good representative of a trans woman. 0.99

01:53:28.000 And then there's also the issue of what the sport entails.

01:53:32.000 It entails doing violence as quickly as possible. 0.97

01:53:34.000 And that one-tenth of a second advantage and reaction time is goddamn gigantic. 0.99

01:53:40.000 It's goddamn gigantic. 0.98

01:53:43.000 And, you know, there needs to be studies done as to whether you become a transgender woman. 0.99

01:53:48.000 When does that advantage go away?

01:53:50.000 Does it ever go away?

01:53:51.000 Does it?

01:53:51.000 Is it imprinted?

01:53:52.000 Right.

01:53:53.000 Because the issue of imprinting skills as a man and then transitioning to a transgender woman, this is not a cut and dry issue.

01:54:01.000 No, it's far from it.

01:54:02.000 This is a very complex issue.

01:54:03.000 But what's important is it has nothing to do with heart and love and it has nothing to do with being nice to people.

01:54:10.000 It has nothing to do...

01:54:11.000 My thing...

01:54:12.000 I'm coming from it purely as A, a martial arts expert and B, a defender of real women.

01:54:17.000 Uh-huh. 0.84

01:54:18.000 A defender of real women who get stuck in a situation where someone might have a real fucking mechanical, physical bone structure advantage, bone density advantage, testosterone advantage. 0.95

01:54:29.000 There's a lot of variables that could really lead to them getting concussed. 0.96

01:54:33.000 Well, not real women. 1.00

01:54:35.000 It's cisgender women, by the way, I remember. 0.91

01:54:37.000 Okay.

01:54:38.000 Using real women freaks people out, just to let you know. 1.00

01:54:41.000 I'm helping you here.

01:54:42.000 I'm sure.

01:54:43.000 But really what it comes down to, I think, is safety.

01:54:46.000 Let's get down to the real issue.

01:54:48.000 And a very unsafe sport, especially.

01:54:50.000 And a sport that you could kill somebody.

01:54:52.000 Yes.

01:54:53.000 And so that is a valid point, I think, coming from you.

01:54:57.000 And I'm not saying that I... Say it's right what you're saying or it's wrong what you're saying.

01:55:01.000 I think it's valid what you're saying.

01:55:03.000 And I think we need to figure out how to make this work for everybody.

01:55:07.000 Is it possible?

01:55:08.000 I don't know.

01:55:09.000 Does the reach make a difference?

01:55:10.000 It's not a reach.

01:55:11.000 It's her size of her bones. 1.00

01:55:14.000 It's the density of her bones.

01:55:15.000 It could be the same height.

01:55:17.000 It doesn't matter because you're weighing in.

01:55:20.000 It's all about the punch, the contact.

01:55:22.000 It's about the mechanical structure of the male frame.

01:55:25.000 It's about the advantage in reaction time.

01:55:29.000 It's about the imprinting of skills as a male for 20 plus years and then transitioning to a female.

01:55:36.000 There's a lot of issues.

01:55:37.000 Right.

01:55:38.000 What is huge for me to relay is that I am very sensitive to whatever anyone's gender identity is.

01:55:46.000 And I make no judgements on that.

01:55:48.000 If it had nothing to do with sport, and especially my sport, of martial arts, where I'm an expert.

01:55:55.000 I've taught it.

01:55:56.000 I know.

01:55:57.000 I've done it my whole life.

01:55:58.000 I understand the advantages.

01:55:59.000 And they're giant.

01:56:00.000 You know, I've trained with world champion women. 1.00

01:56:03.000 Right.

01:56:03.000 You know, and you can tell the difference between a world champion man and a world champion woman.

01:56:07.000 I'm sure.

01:56:07.000 Even if they're really high level.

01:56:08.000 Uh-huh.

01:56:08.000 There's just a freak advantage that a man has.

01:56:11.000 Right.

01:56:11.000 And it doesn't go away that easy, man.

01:56:13.000 Right.

01:56:13.000 It just doesn't.

01:56:13.000 Right.

01:56:14.000 And some women can counteract that. 1.00

01:56:15.000 Like a woman like Ronda Rousey, she's as woman as you get and she'll fuck men up. 1.00

01:56:19.000 Right. 1.00

01:56:20.000 Legit.

01:56:20.000 Right.

01:56:20.000 You know, like world champion men, she can armbar them.

01:56:23.000 Right.

01:56:23.000 She's legit.

01:56:24.000 It doesn't mean that it's okay to go into that advantage.

01:56:27.000 I think people are trying to make it a political statement at this point.

01:56:29.000 It is, yes.

01:56:29.000 It's a political statement, clearly, which is not actually fair to do in a sport that could kill somebody.

01:56:35.000 And what's fucked is I support the political statement side of it. 0.94

01:56:38.000 Of course you do. 0.99

01:56:39.000 I know that about you. 0.99

01:56:40.000 That's what's really fucked about this. 1.00

01:56:41.000 You're fucking having me on your fucking show, dude. 1.00

01:56:42.000 You're very cool with shit like that. 1.00

01:56:44.000 But I can't support that. 1.00

01:56:46.000 I can't support that because cis women are going to get fucked up. 1.00

01:56:51.000 There already are getting fucked up. 1.00

01:56:52.000 Not all of them. 1.00

01:56:53.000 Yeah, everyone's getting fucked up anyway. 0.97

01:56:55.000 Not all of them, obviously. 0.98

01:56:57.000 Okay, so I have this question.

01:56:59.000 Do every single one of the cisgender women fighters have a problem with Fallon? 1.00

01:57:04.000 A huge percentage. 0.98

01:57:05.000 I don't know if every one, I haven't spoke to every one of them, but I've spoke to several in private who don't even want to discuss it, who are with a chain of expletives, fuck that, and one of the things that they always use is manhands. 0.96

01:57:19.000 They use the size of hands. 0.97

01:57:21.000 If you have a ball peen hammer and a big nail, it's really hard to drive that nail in. 0.98

01:57:25.000 If you've got a fucking sledgehammer and the same size nail, you BOOM and it goes right in. 0.97

01:57:30.000 There's a weight advantage to the size of a hand that makes a big difference. 0.99

01:57:36.000 But if she was cisgendered, would it be... 0.95

01:57:38.000 She's not.

01:57:39.000 I know.

01:57:40.000 But that's the problem.

01:57:41.000 The problem is she's not.

01:57:42.000 I don't think it's an argument.

01:57:42.000 Like George Foreman.

01:57:43.000 If you gave George Foreman female hormones and put him in a dress, he would fuck up every woman on the planet Earth. 1.00

01:57:49.000 His hands are like canned hams. 1.00

01:57:50.000 Those are the things that don't change.

01:57:52.000 Your feet and your hands don't change.

01:57:54.000 They don't change.

01:57:54.000 Neither does your jaw, which affects your ability to take a punch.

01:57:58.000 But I mean changing from male to a woman. 0.89

01:57:59.000 Okay, right.

01:58:00.000 You're right.

01:58:01.000 From a woman to a man, my face became all like Cro-Magnon, man. 0.60

01:58:05.000 You liked it, though.

01:58:07.000 You got excited.

01:58:08.000 You enhanced it with a beard.

01:58:11.000 In expressing something, whether it's on a podcast or expressing something in a tweet or a blog, the full ideas sometimes always don't get across.

01:58:22.000 And I've been accused across the board about this of being transphobic.

01:58:26.000 You're not, actually.

01:58:28.000 Well, I think it's really...

01:58:30.000 It's normal.

01:58:30.000 It's natural for someone to immediately point the finger and say that.

01:58:34.000 But it's not fair to the subject.

01:58:36.000 Because the subject is very intense.

01:58:38.000 But you're not transphobic.

01:58:39.000 I'm not at all.

01:58:40.000 I'm going to say it on air right now.

01:58:41.000 You're not transphobic.

01:58:42.000 I'm not anything phobic.

01:58:43.000 Yeah, you're not.

01:58:44.000 I'm not racist.

01:58:45.000 I'm not homophobic. 1.00

01:58:46.000 But I'll call people on their shit. 1.00

01:58:48.000 That's totally different. 1.00

01:58:49.000 Yeah.

01:58:50.000 And I do the same thing.

01:58:51.000 It's completely different. 0.99

01:58:52.000 Well, like I said, I'm friends with one of the girls that she fought, this cisgendered female who got the fuck beat out of her. 1.00

01:58:59.000 Right. 0.99

01:58:59.000 And, you know, she was like, Jesus Christ, I'm getting manhandled here. 0.99

01:59:02.000 I mean, that's how she described it.

01:59:03.000 She didn't even feel like it was an actual fight.

01:59:05.000 She got ragdolled. 0.98

01:59:06.000 So ragdoll is when you just, like, fucking just pull shit across. 1.00

01:59:08.000 Like, just fucking rag somebody. 1.00

01:59:09.000 Yeah, right. 0.99

01:59:10.000 When someone gets ragdolled, it means that, you know, like, if I fought Brock Lesnar, I'd get ragdolled.

01:59:15.000 Right.

01:59:15.000 Just swatted across.

01:59:17.000 I can't.

01:59:18.000 I mean, and I'm not saying the difference between her and a female is probably far less than me and Brock Lesnar.

01:59:23.000 He could probably ragdoll me easier than she was ragdolling these women who are in her same weight class. 1.00

01:59:27.000 But there's an advantage.

01:59:28.000 And it needs to be discussed and it needs to be something that's fully explored.

01:59:32.000 And maybe she's the pioneer of this exploration.

01:59:34.000 She is! 0.62

01:59:35.000 And maybe they will figure out a way to add something that alleviates a certain amount of bone density.

01:59:40.000 Maybe they'll figure out how to do something that changes the mechanical advantage that a man has.

01:59:45.000 Maybe it'll be a chromosomal thing.

01:59:46.000 Maybe we have to understand that she has to fight the people that want to fight her. 0.99

01:59:51.000 And the people that don't want to fight her, they have that...

01:59:53.000 They have that option right now to say, yeah, I want a fighter or I don't want a fighter.

01:59:56.000 And then we have to figure out how that's going to play into the situation.

01:59:59.000 And you know what?

02:00:00.000 There also can be a transgender division of MMA. No, that's very cool.

02:00:04.000 Transgender women.

02:00:05.000 There's plenty of transgender women now. 1.00

02:00:06.000 That would be really fucking cool, dude. 0.99

02:00:08.000 That's a great idea. 0.90

02:00:09.000 That's a super awesome idea.

02:00:10.000 That idea leaves no controversy at all.

02:00:13.000 I don't think anybody would have a problem with it.

02:00:14.000 I don't think so.

02:00:15.000 You wouldn't hear a peep out of me.

02:00:16.000 I would have no problem with it.

02:00:17.000 No, because it's a fair fight now.

02:00:19.000 Yes, exactly.

02:00:20.000 And I don't think, you know...

02:00:22.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with the idea if it's vetted out and found to be 100% safe.

02:00:29.000 But I've looked at it objectively.

02:00:31.000 I've looked at the research.

02:00:32.000 I've been told by all these progressive people that are like, you know, hey, there's real science been done on this. 0.99

02:00:37.000 I looked at that real science and it's horseshit. 0.95

02:00:40.000 There's not real science. 0.93

02:00:41.000 It's real science that's set up to give confirmation bias to the idea that as soon as someone attains sexual reassignment surgery, then they're immediately...

02:00:52.000 They not just identify as that sex, but are that sex physiologically.

02:00:56.000 And it's simply not true.

02:00:57.000 It's not true.

02:00:57.000 I'll be the first to tell you that.

02:00:59.000 I have female frames still. 1.00

02:01:00.000 You cannot change your DNA. Once that is there, my frame is still female. 0.97

02:01:06.000 It is.

02:01:07.000 I can put as much bulk as I want to put on my body.

02:01:10.000 I used to be a lot bigger.

02:01:12.000 I was getting into the whole bodybuilding thing.

02:01:15.000 And then I hurt all the time. 1.00

02:01:17.000 Because my little frame underneath there was like, fuck you. 1.00

02:01:20.000 What's the heaviest you ever got? 1.00

02:01:22.000 I got about 185. My shoulders were like this.

02:01:26.000 I had no neck, dude. 0.99

02:01:28.000 And I was like, uh-uh, I'm over this shit, man. 0.99

02:01:30.000 And I traveled like mad, so I couldn't go to the gym all the time and my eating sucked. 0.99

02:01:34.000 And so I wasn't comfortable. 1.00

02:01:35.000 My frame underneath, my woman frame was going, you fucking bitch! 1.00

02:01:40.000 How much did you weigh as a woman? 1.00

02:01:42.000 Oh, I was small, dude.

02:01:43.000 I was 110. What?

02:01:47.000 So you put on 75 pounds of muscle.

02:01:51.000 Packed it on, dude.

02:01:52.000 Think of 75 steaks.

02:01:54.000 Like, big, fat, thick, one-pound steaks.

02:01:57.000 Dude, I was just like, rawr, I'm gonna get big.

02:01:59.000 I was all one of those crazy gym people.

02:02:01.000 75 steaks.

02:02:02.000 Yeah, I packed it up, dude.

02:02:03.000 Like, I was crazy.

02:02:04.000 When you look at it that way, 75 stairs.

02:02:06.000 It's pretty gross. 0.71

02:02:07.000 That's a lot of meat you put on you.

02:02:09.000 What do you weigh now?

02:02:10.000 Now I weigh about 160. You feel like that's like...

02:02:12.000 Oh, I'm at my weight, dude.

02:02:14.000 I'm totally at my weight.

02:02:14.000 25 pounds down.

02:02:16.000 Love it.

02:02:16.000 Totally love it.

02:02:16.000 Even.

02:02:17.000 Feels so awesome.

02:02:18.000 50 up.

02:02:18.000 Yeah.

02:02:19.000 Like, fuck that shit. 1.00

02:02:20.000 Like, ow, that hurts. 1.00

02:02:21.000 Yeah.

02:02:22.000 What were you doing?

02:02:22.000 You were doing a lot of power lifting?

02:02:23.000 Yeah, totally.

02:02:24.000 Just heavy, heavy weights, dude.

02:02:26.000 Like, every kind of heavy weight you could imagine.

02:02:28.000 Yeah, deadlifts, like...

02:02:29.000 Bench Pratt, like all of them.

02:02:31.000 Big heavy weight.

02:02:32.000 That, I'm sure, changed your frame a little bit.

02:02:34.000 You think?

02:02:35.000 Yeah.

02:02:35.000 Not just your bone structure, too.

02:02:37.000 I bet that made your bone structure a lot dense.

02:02:39.000 I bet that's also a lot of how your head got thicker.

02:02:42.000 Oh, my head got totally thicker.

02:02:43.000 My jaw.

02:02:44.000 My nose grew.

02:02:46.000 Powerlifting, and especially powerlifting under the influence of testosterone, that's a big one for just everything denser.

02:02:54.000 They say a certain amount of it is actually really important for old people to avoid loss of bone density.

02:03:00.000 Men and women.

02:03:01.000 I believe that totally.

02:03:02.000 Yeah, those powerlifting movements like deadlifts and squats.

02:03:06.000 I think they're awesome.

02:03:06.000 I still do that, but more in a CrossFit-y kind of way, not so much like going to the gym.

02:03:11.000 Right, right, right.

02:03:12.000 Yeah.

02:03:13.000 Well, CrossFit, they get a little wacky, too. 0.95

02:03:15.000 Oh, no, they're totally insane, dude. 0.80

02:03:16.000 Those people get bananas. 0.99

02:03:17.000 Yeah.

02:03:18.000 I have a buddy who's got a blown back now from CrossFit, and I was trying to warn him, you know, I was like...

02:03:22.000 Chill out.

02:03:23.000 I was like, my trainer says that when you do all those reps with those powerlifting exercises, it's kind of dangerous.

02:03:29.000 You think?

02:03:30.000 Or those crazy pull-ups they do.

02:03:31.000 It's the W-O-D. I gotta get it done.

02:03:33.000 No, my sister's totally into it. 1.00

02:03:34.000 She opened a CrossFit gym and they're like totally obsessed with her CrossFit and I go every once in a while and it's all cool. 0.99

02:03:39.000 It's sexy as fuck. 0.99

02:03:39.000 It gets a little bit insane. 0.99

02:03:40.000 I think those chicks are sexy as fuck. 1.00

02:03:42.000 Yeah, their bodies look phenomenal. 0.99

02:03:44.000 Yeah.

02:03:45.000 Phenomenal.

02:03:45.000 Really strong, like powerful chicks that look like chalk on their hands.

02:03:49.000 No, they totally are fucking amazing. 1.00

02:03:51.000 That's what I like. 0.97

02:03:52.000 They have really...

02:03:54.000 I like the squatters. 0.99

02:03:56.000 Maybe I should do a porn with CrossFit chicks. 1.00

02:03:58.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:03:58.000 People would love that. 1.00

02:03:59.000 CrossFit porn. 1.00

02:04:00.000 Yeah, CrossFit would kick you out of every fucking gym in the country. 1.00

02:04:03.000 As soon as it goes natural, as soon as it goes national and big on the internet, they'd be like, what the fuck, Buck? 1.00

02:04:09.000 Yeah, you're fucking it all up for us. 0.99

02:04:12.000 We've got a bunch of people that have got the total wrong impression of CrossFit now. 1.00

02:04:17.000 I think it's a sex club. 1.00

02:04:19.000 Yeah, you go and squat and then just fucking rape each other. 1.00

02:04:22.000 I'm like, those squats are really good for sex, actually. 1.00

02:04:25.000 They are, though, right? 0.99

02:04:27.000 Nobody wants to have sex with frail people. 1.00

02:04:29.000 You don't want to have sex with someone and worry about breaking things. 0.93

02:04:32.000 Yeah.

02:04:33.000 So hopefully Fallon is going to be cool about what we discussed.

02:04:36.000 Listen, I want Fallon to know that I have no disrespect to her as a human being.

02:04:42.000 I believe that. 0.99

02:04:42.000 And if I knew her only as a trans woman, we would be friendly as all fuck. 0.99

02:04:46.000 I swear to God. 1.00

02:04:47.000 I believe it.

02:04:48.000 My issue lies only on the lack of disclosure and what I saw in those fights.

02:04:53.000 So how can she fix that, do you think?

02:04:55.000 I don't know.

02:04:55.000 Is there a way that she could sort of, you know, what's the word I'm looking for?

02:05:00.000 Like sort of bring herself back and people start having a little bit more respect for her in the MMA stuff? 0.93

02:05:08.000 Well, now that...

02:05:09.000 Has she already lost her disc...

02:05:10.000 I don't know.

02:05:11.000 Discredited herself from that?

02:05:13.000 I don't think anybody ever discredits themselves forever.

02:05:15.000 I mean, I think even the biggest fuck-ups, you know, one can come back from.

02:05:19.000 Right.

02:05:20.000 If you're honest, especially.

02:05:21.000 Well, if you're honest, but sometimes people aren't willing, a lot of times, the communities aren't willing to sort of give you Yeah.

02:05:27.000 Well, she's going to certainly face some resistance. 0.71

02:05:29.000 She already is.

02:05:30.000 Yeah.

02:05:30.000 She's certainly going to face resistance as far as opponents.

02:05:33.000 But at least now it's willing resistance.

02:05:35.000 It's people who understand, not resistance post-fight where they go, wait a minute, that used to be a guy? 0.99

02:05:41.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:05:42.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:05:43.000 And then they get mad. 1.00

02:05:43.000 They're like, Jesus Christ, you have a concussion, they can't hear. 1.00

02:05:46.000 Well, because that's what they're hearing.

02:05:47.000 That used to be a guy.

02:05:48.000 And of course that brings up all kinds of red flags.

02:05:51.000 You're like, I'm not fighting a dude.

02:05:52.000 This is woman's fighting. 1.00

02:05:54.000 That's what's going on.

02:05:55.000 But now that it's revealed, I'm for anybody who wants to fight her.

02:05:59.000 I just think that if the commissions are going to be responsible about it...

02:06:02.000 There should be some sort of real protocol set in place.

02:06:05.000 It should really be examined.

02:06:06.000 Bone density, the whole nine yards, everything should be examined.

02:06:09.000 And you should have more opinions than these extremely biased gender reassignment doctors who are providing a lot of the information that I've been reading online, that people have been pointing to in support of gender reassignment people being immediately recognized as the same real woman category,

02:06:25.000 whatever.

02:06:26.000 I think once it's out there, it's out there.

02:06:29.000 Now that it's out there, hey, if you choose to compete against her and you're a cis woman and you have no problem with it, I'm free with you trying to ride bulls, too. 0.99

02:06:38.000 I think that's way more ridiculous. 0.99

02:06:41.000 I'm free with you trying to fucking do flips on a BMX bike. 1.00

02:06:44.000 Do whatever the fuck you want. 0.99

02:06:45.000 But any kind of contact sport, maybe like rugby or something like that, what do you think about us? 0.99

02:06:50.000 If you want to do it, as long as you know.

02:06:52.000 And also as long as the other teammates or people know that you are a transgender person.

02:06:58.000 Yes.

02:06:58.000 So it needs to be disclosed.

02:06:59.000 It needs to be disclosed.

02:07:00.000 It needs to be disclosed.

02:07:01.000 And it really needs to be studied objectively and scientifically without any sort of bias.

02:07:08.000 So we can really look at the actual numbers, not just on one person, but on several people.

02:07:13.000 Like on that side only.

02:07:14.000 Right.

02:07:14.000 Yeah, pre-surgery, post-surgery, in the middle, five years in.

02:07:18.000 Let's get a real database to work from, because we don't have one right now.

02:07:21.000 I think, look, there's women, when I used to kickbox, there used to be this chick that used to come in the gym and fucking slug it out with dudes. 1.00

02:07:29.000 And everybody supported her on that. 0.82

02:07:31.000 You know, you want to go in there and do that?

02:07:32.000 And I know girls that are pro-MMA fighters to this day that go in the gym and duke it out with dudes. 1.00

02:07:36.000 And they do it because it makes them better. 0.92

02:07:38.000 And I am fucking 100%, but they know what they're doing when they're going in there. 0.94

02:07:42.000 They choose that and just like riding a bull or going BMX riding or anything else is dangerous as long as you are fully aware of the parameters of the competition that you're getting involved in and the risks that it might entail. 0.98

02:07:55.000 I'm cool with it.

02:07:57.000 I just said earlier, I'm all about disclosure.

02:07:59.000 It's like a huge, huge thing for me.

02:08:01.000 In every part of your life as a trans person, we're different than the rest of the world and we have to understand that.

02:08:08.000 Face value, I look like a guy, but it doesn't mean that you might think that way about me as well.

02:08:14.000 Well, what's beautiful about today is you may be different than me or you may be different than Jamie, but you're not different than everybody and you can reach each other.

02:08:21.000 The communities now that can be established through the internet, there's so much broader and there's so much more varied.

02:08:28.000 There's so much more room for everybody.

02:08:30.000 You can find those folks.

02:08:31.000 Totally.

02:08:32.000 And I think that's a lot of the enthusiasm about finding that is what creates all these weird acronyms and secret languages and these weird inside talk.

02:08:41.000 It's like inside chatter.

02:08:42.000 It is.

02:08:43.000 It's our secret language.

02:08:44.000 Tell that everybody you're inside.

02:08:46.000 I think that's sort of what kind of fosters that kind of thing.

02:08:49.000 I think that's a natural aspect of human interaction.

02:08:52.000 Uh-huh, sure.

02:08:53.000 Especially when finally you belong.

02:08:55.000 Totally.

02:08:56.000 You involve and engross yourself in it and just really get super in-depth in it.

02:09:02.000 Yeah, because you can buddy up and we all know how we each feel about each other and how our lives were.

02:09:08.000 We all have the same story in different ways, but we all come to it. 0.97

02:09:12.000 And I think it's also super important that a guy like you comes out and explains how much bullshit you had to deal with before that happened and your point of view and how depressed you were and how gross it was to have to fucking fight people because they didn't like who you were. 0.99

02:09:31.000 Totally gross. 0.99

02:09:31.000 People can hear that and it'll change people's opinions. 0.99

02:09:35.000 I totally think so. 1.00

02:09:36.000 Fuck yeah, it will. 0.99

02:09:37.000 But you know, like I said, people like you putting me on their show. 0.99

02:09:40.000 I totally give you props for that, dude.

02:09:41.000 Because your fanbase doesn't know guys like me.

02:09:44.000 And of course they're gonna say stuff, I totally get it.

02:09:47.000 But I know that many of the guys are gonna walk away going, actually... 1.00

02:09:51.000 Fuck is totally a dude. 0.99

02:09:52.000 You'd be surprised with my fanbase. 1.00

02:09:54.000 There's a lot of weirdos.

02:09:55.000 There's a lot of weirdos. 0.85

02:09:57.000 I'm the bridge between the meatheads and the potheads. 0.79

02:09:59.000 I get it.

02:09:59.000 But that's my point.

02:10:01.000 That's important because those guys are the ones that are like...

02:10:03.000 Well, they just don't understand.

02:10:07.000 They don't want to understand.

02:10:08.000 And they don't understand also that there's actual strength in not judging.

02:10:13.000 There's strength in being open.

02:10:15.000 There's strength in being cool with everybody.

02:10:17.000 There's personal strength in being open and not being insecure about that.

02:10:24.000 And that closed-off-ness is actually a weakness.

02:10:26.000 Oh, clearly.

02:10:27.000 And it also provides you and gives you conflict in your life that's unnecessary and enemies in your life that are unnecessary.

02:10:34.000 They easily could be allies.

02:10:36.000 I know.

02:10:36.000 That's what I was saying about having the positive energy and discussing those things and understanding.

02:10:40.000 Yeah, remember what we said?

02:10:41.000 Your opinion about Fallon is your opinion and I appreciate that opinion and she should too.

02:10:46.000 My opinion also happens to be the exact same opinion of every single martial arts expert that I've talked to.

02:10:53.000 I have not talked to one trainer, not one person involved deeply in the business, not one fighter, male fighter, not one.

02:11:02.000 Not one said it makes, everyone was like, what?

02:11:05.000 Because it's new.

02:11:06.000 It's something that no one, and also the facts.

02:11:10.000 Men understand the advantages.

02:11:11.000 There's critical advantages.

02:11:13.000 Even like great female fighters, like Misha Tate is a great female fighter. 0.98

02:11:18.000 She moves like a woman though. 0.99

02:11:20.000 There's a difference.

02:11:21.000 There's a difference in the way the body moves.

02:11:23.000 Yeah, I see that.

02:11:24.000 You know?

02:11:24.000 Yeah.

02:11:24.000 People have...

02:11:26.000 There's a real, like, a consensus opinion about that across the board in the mixed martial arts community.

02:11:34.000 And it's almost unanimously against someone doing that without disclosure.

02:11:39.000 Right.

02:11:39.000 Because it's not fair.

02:11:42.000 That's the idea.

02:11:42.000 Well, yeah, because the facts show it's not fair.

02:11:44.000 But the fact is Serena Williams, I think, is a wreck, bitches. 1.00

02:11:48.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:11:48.000 I don't know. 0.99

02:11:48.000 She's a total cis woman. 0.99

02:11:50.000 I love her.

02:11:51.000 Are you kidding me?

02:11:52.000 I love her.

02:11:52.000 If I could get Serena Williams at an MMA gym, she would just listen to me.

02:11:55.000 I would say, Serena, you're going to be the baddest bitch in the history of bitches. 1.00

02:11:58.000 Oh, she would kill her. 1.00

02:11:59.000 She would kill her. 1.00

02:11:59.000 I was just saying. 1.00

02:12:00.000 Okay, well, so then you could put Fallon and her against each other?

02:12:02.000 What do you think of that? 1.00

02:12:03.000 Well, Fallon would probably kick her ass right now. 1.00

02:12:05.000 You think? 1.00

02:12:05.000 Yeah, you need to have some skills. 1.00

02:12:07.000 If a person doesn't have any martial arts training.

02:12:09.000 No, now, but after you train her, what do you think about that?

02:12:11.000 They would have to have a commensurate skill level before you could even judge.

02:12:16.000 And I would have to actually see Fallon hit a bag and see what she can actually do right now in person. 0.98

02:12:22.000 Serena Williams, I'm sure, doesn't have any MMA training. 1.00

02:12:24.000 To be that fucking good at tennis, you're eating, breathing, sleeping, living tennis. 0.96

02:12:30.000 But she's a super athlete. 1.00

02:12:31.000 Super. 1.00

02:12:32.000 Yeah, if she just listened to me, I could get that bitch in the right gym. 1.00

02:12:36.000 I love her. 0.99

02:12:37.000 She's so awesome.

02:12:37.000 Give me a couple of years.

02:12:38.000 I'll get you the right trainers.

02:12:40.000 Just listen to me.

02:12:41.000 I'm going to judge you.

02:12:42.000 I'm going to write journals every day.

02:12:46.000 She would dominate female MMA. Dude, but she kills it in tennis. 1.00

02:12:49.000 She's like, fuck that. 1.00

02:12:50.000 A lot more money in tennis. 1.00

02:12:51.000 Yeah, she's like, fuck that. 1.00

02:12:51.000 I'm making a trillion dollars. 1.00

02:12:52.000 Look at that body. 0.99

02:12:53.000 Jesus Louisa.

02:12:54.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:12:55.000 Look at her fucking body. 1.00

02:12:57.000 God damn. 1.00

02:12:57.000 I love her. 1.00

02:12:58.000 Yeah, if you were in a fight to the death with that chick, you gotta fight. 1.00

02:13:02.000 You're dead.

02:13:02.000 You can't take it easy on her, man.

02:13:04.000 Look at that arm.

02:13:05.000 My goodness.

02:13:05.000 If that arm got around your neck, you're going to sleep.

02:13:09.000 You're going night-night.

02:13:09.000 If someone taught her how to do a triangle properly, you ever see her legs?

02:13:13.000 Jamie, pull up a picture of her legs. 1.00

02:13:14.000 Jesus fucking Christ! 1.00

02:13:17.000 The legs of the gods. 1.00

02:13:19.000 The tightness of her vagina must be a thing of legend. 1.00

02:13:24.000 If she clamped down on you, it's probably like dogs. 1.00

02:13:26.000 You know how dogs, like the male dog locks into the female and the female wants to get away?

02:13:30.000 Like, ah, crying.

02:13:31.000 The dog's in pain, like, let me go!

02:13:34.000 I heard you're supposed to pour hot water on them. 0.97

02:13:36.000 Well, there's something physiological that happens to the male's penis where they actually lock in there somehow in order to make sure. 1.00

02:13:44.000 Look at her fucking legs! 1.00

02:13:45.000 Jesus Christ! 1.00

02:13:46.000 Look at her ass, dude. 1.00

02:13:47.000 Are you kidding? 1.00

02:13:47.000 Oh my God! 1.00

02:13:48.000 Her ass is amazing. 1.00

02:13:50.000 That looks like her ass is pregnant with basketballs. 1.00

02:13:53.000 It doesn't even look real. 1.00

02:13:55.000 It doesn't look real.

02:13:56.000 She looks like she could just jump over a building. 1.00

02:13:59.000 I mean, she's a superwoman, for sure. 1.00

02:14:00.000 She could just launch herself over the entire fucking tennis arena. 1.00

02:14:04.000 What a fucking ass. 1.00

02:14:06.000 My god. 1.00

02:14:06.000 That is an athlete. 1.00

02:14:08.000 That's like an ultra-athlete.

02:14:10.000 Wow.

02:14:11.000 Wow, where did you get that picture from? 1.00

02:14:13.000 What the fuck is that ass? 1.00

02:14:15.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:14:15.000 That tripping ass. 1.00

02:14:16.000 Her ass is insanity. 1.00

02:14:18.000 It's a Photoshop. 1.00

02:14:19.000 It looks like a Photoshop.

02:14:20.000 It does.

02:14:20.000 Is that a Photoshop?

02:14:21.000 Make sure that's not a Photoshop.

02:14:22.000 Find other corroborating pieces of evidence online. 0.94

02:14:25.000 That's so ridiculous. 1.00

02:14:26.000 But I've seen enough that I think it is what her ass really looks like. 1.00

02:14:30.000 Yeah, I know. 1.00

02:14:30.000 It is. 1.00

02:14:30.000 That's power. 1.00

02:14:31.000 God damn, you ain't kidding. 1.00

02:14:33.000 That girl. 1.00

02:14:34.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:14:36.000 That girl's got some fucking genetics. 1.00

02:14:39.000 Super. 1.00

02:14:40.000 Woo! 0.99

02:14:40.000 Like I said, the amount of pull. 0.99

02:14:43.000 Look, there's her ass right there. 1.00

02:14:44.000 It's insane. 1.00

02:14:45.000 Yeah, that's on the beach.

02:14:46.000 It's real.

02:14:47.000 And that's not even like in the middle of training.

02:14:48.000 No, it's not pumped up.

02:14:50.000 That's just smiling with sunglasses on.

02:14:51.000 It's all smiling. 0.99

02:14:52.000 Smiling with sunglasses on with ultra ass trailing behind her. 1.00

02:14:57.000 That's like three asses. 1.00

02:14:59.000 She has like three small white girl asses packed in together. 1.00

02:15:03.000 Wow. 1.00

02:15:03.000 Yeah, you can't get that every day. 1.00

02:15:07.000 If every woman looked like that, we'd be a totally different species of human. 1.00

02:15:11.000 Oh, completely. 1.00

02:15:11.000 Look at that fucking body! 1.00

02:15:13.000 Jesus! 1.00

02:15:14.000 If that was the genetics of every woman we all bred, we would have warrior children.

02:15:20.000 Completely.

02:15:21.000 Every woman would look like 300. That would be awesome. 1.00

02:15:25.000 After they did the CGI on their bodies, everyone's body would look like 300. It would be insane.

02:15:31.000 Yeah, and that is also the gray area when you're talking about transgenders. 1.00

02:15:35.000 That a woman, a cisgender woman like her, exists.

02:15:39.000 And then, you know, that's a freak end of the spectrum.

02:15:42.000 And that's a cisgender woman. 1.00

02:15:44.000 So maybe we should look at what her bone density is and all of the things that she has. 0.99

02:15:48.000 And her musculature. 1.00

02:15:50.000 But also the weight class, too.

02:15:52.000 She would be clearly a heavyweight. 0.89

02:15:54.000 I don't know how much she weighs, but I've got to think she's $1.65, $1.75, at least. 1.00

02:15:59.000 And think about the full spectrum.

02:16:02.000 Go Molly Ringwald to her. 1.00

02:16:05.000 Why Molly Ringwald?

02:16:07.000 That's funny.

02:16:07.000 That's what came to mind.

02:16:08.000 Pasty, redhead. 1.00

02:16:10.000 Totally. 0.94

02:16:10.000 Just looks like she bruises every time she runs into a corner of a table. 0.94

02:16:14.000 That is so funny, dude.

02:16:15.000 She's got shin bruises and hangnails that are swollen.

02:16:19.000 Poor Molly. 1.00

02:16:20.000 That's not sexy.

02:16:21.000 I can't think about that.

02:16:21.000 She's soft and white.

02:16:23.000 Yeah.

02:16:24.000 Take her outside. 0.84

02:16:26.000 The bright sun, she turns pink.

02:16:28.000 Totally.

02:16:28.000 Immediately.

02:16:29.000 Oh! 1.00

02:16:30.000 Like a fucking vampire. 1.00

02:16:32.000 Oh, God. 1.00

02:16:33.000 Yeah, I mean, and that's the same with males as well.

02:16:35.000 That's a real issue with men's athletics in mixed martial arts as well.

02:16:39.000 And that has nothing to do with steroids.

02:16:42.000 There's people that are just natural super athletes.

02:16:46.000 And then there's other folks that just have really slow twitch muscle fibers that, you know, wouldn't be bad if they were triathletes.

02:16:52.000 But in an MMA fight, they just can't generate speed and power.

02:16:56.000 And then they fight someone with just...

02:16:58.000 Boom! 0.99

02:16:58.000 They can just blast them. 0.99

02:17:00.000 And it's sad to watch because you know that Fighter A will never beat Fighter B. Right.

02:17:06.000 So why are they in the ring in the first place?

02:17:08.000 Because they're good.

02:17:09.000 They're just not good enough.

02:17:11.000 They're good.

02:17:12.000 There's certain guys.

02:17:13.000 I don't want to mention any names, but I'll mention the positive side.

02:17:15.000 There's certain guys that they're never going to beat a guy like Jacare Souza.

02:17:20.000 Pull up this picture of Jacare.

02:17:22.000 J-A-C-A-R-A Souza against Yushin Okami.

02:17:27.000 There's photos of him beating the fuck out of this badass Japanese dude, Yushin Okami. 1.00

02:17:32.000 Now, Yushin Okami is a bad motherfucker. 0.99

02:17:34.000 And this Jacare guy is such a physical freak that he just crushed this guy. 0.99

02:17:41.000 I mean, there's certain guys that just have this very unique physical ability, and no matter what you do, you're never gonna beat that.

02:17:50.000 As long as he's training, as long as he's learning skills, as long as he's dedicating himself, He has certain inherent advantages that he was blessed with that you can't overcome.

02:18:02.000 Because if a guy not just has the physical ability but also puts in the dedication and has the intelligence and the mental strength, if he has all those factors, it's not fair.

02:18:15.000 It's not fair.

02:18:15.000 Yeah, right.

02:18:16.000 Because if you don't have those, if you're just super tough, and you're really technical, but your fucking body sucks a fat dick, you just got some old-school, slow-poked DNA, and you just can't get over that physical hump, that guy can crack you at will, and you can't reach him. 0.99

02:18:31.000 You can't get a hold of him, you can't hit him when you want to, he's too fast, there's nothing you can do. 0.99

02:18:36.000 Is there any photos of Jacare?

02:18:40.000 Just if you find an impressive photo of him.

02:18:42.000 Look at him. 0.99

02:18:43.000 That guy is a fucking super stud. 1.00

02:18:46.000 It's hard to tell from that picture. 1.00

02:18:48.000 If you see, there's a picture of him beating the shit out of Okami.

02:18:51.000 If you see Jacare vs. 0.60

02:18:53.000 Okami, look at Jacare vs. 0.99

02:18:56.000 O-K-A-M-I, Brazil. 0.98

02:18:58.000 He was a world jiu-jitsu champion, multiple-time world jiu-jitsu champion, and now he's fighting in MMA. And he is the argument towards Fallon Fox's side, that there's a broad spectrum in both sexes, as is Serena Williams.

02:19:12.000 So that's actually a really good question then, because then you have that, is that fair?

02:19:18.000 But it's natural. 0.95

02:19:20.000 See if you can find the picture of him beating the shit out of Okami. 0.99

02:19:22.000 Because there's some photos of him smashing Okami where you look at his body and just like, Jesus fucking Christ. 0.99

02:19:29.000 If you see him move, it's even spookier because he moves like a cat. 0.99

02:19:32.000 He moves like a big giant cat.

02:19:34.000 Just springs on dudes. 1.00

02:19:35.000 So if someone's getting the shit beat out of them in a fight, do they like stop it at a certain point? 0.76

02:19:40.000 Yes. 0.99

02:19:40.000 Because it looks like they're gonna die? 0.99

02:19:41.000 There you see him, they're teeing off on him.

02:19:43.000 But if you see him actually moving, it's even spookier.

02:19:46.000 Yeah, they stop it.

02:19:47.000 If a guy can't defend himself, not defending himself, or if the referee thinks he's taking too much punishment, the referee is free to stop it at any time.

02:19:54.000 If he feels like it's not competitive anymore, the guy's in danger.

02:19:57.000 And that's the most important job the referee has, rescuing people from danger.

02:20:02.000 From danger.

02:20:03.000 Yeah.

02:20:03.000 And what's the worst thing that ever happened in a ring?

02:20:05.000 Is someone ever dying there?

02:20:06.000 Not in the UFC. A guy died this week in Brazil from weight cutting, actually.

02:20:12.000 What's that?

02:20:13.000 Weight cutting is these guys, they want to. 0.99

02:20:16.000 There's some fucking dude's arm up. 0.99

02:20:18.000 Look at that muscle. 1.00

02:20:19.000 He's a monster. 0.99

02:20:20.000 His jiu-jitsu is nasty, too. 1.00

02:20:22.000 He's a fucking beast. 0.99

02:20:26.000 Weight cutting is, say if you're going to compete at 155 pounds, you want all the advantages that you can get. 1.00

02:20:32.000 And one of the best advantages is you dehydrate yourself.

02:20:35.000 Oh.

02:20:35.000 So you make 155 pounds and then you rehydrate yourself up to like 170-ish.

02:20:40.000 And then you go into the ring, they use IV, so you go in the ring fully hydrated and you feel great.

02:20:46.000 But you weighed in at 155 and now you weigh 170. So you're really big for the weight class.

02:20:51.000 And there's a point of diminishing returns where you cut too much weight and it weakens your body so much that you can't perform well the next day.

02:20:57.000 And then there's way past that point where this guy went to where he died.

02:21:01.000 Because he cut too much?

02:21:03.000 Yes, he cut too much weight.

02:21:03.000 This is the first known case that I'm aware of in MMA of someone dying, but it's been a problem with college wrestling for a long time, and high school wrestling even, to the point where they've started to monitor athletes' weights and how much they cut and how much they put back on,

02:21:19.000 and they make sure that they don't get below a certain amount of body fat.

02:21:22.000 They make sure that they don't cut too much water.

02:21:25.000 Wow, that's scary.

02:21:26.000 It's very scary.

02:21:27.000 It's even more scary in combat sports because in combat sports you're also dealing with the effects of the concussive impacts on the dehydrated brain.

02:21:36.000 And it's much more dangerous.

02:21:38.000 It's a little known fact, but all of the deaths in professional boxing that have occurred inside the ring, at least almost all of them, have been under the heavyweight division.

02:21:47.000 It's all in the divisions where people had to cut weight.

02:21:50.000 So then you weigh in at that weight and then you rehydrate.

02:21:54.000 Is that legal?

02:21:55.000 Yes.

02:21:56.000 Oh it is?

02:21:56.000 Yes.

02:21:57.000 That doesn't make sense to me though.

02:21:58.000 Exactly.

02:21:59.000 You know why?

02:22:00.000 Because you're looking at it as an objective observer that's intelligent and hasn't already like decided that that's just a part of the landscape.

02:22:07.000 When you're looking at it normally, you're like, this is crazy.

02:22:09.000 This is crazy.

02:22:10.000 They shouldn't let people do that.

02:22:11.000 No, because it's about the weight, so that's all you're focused on.

02:22:14.000 Yes.

02:22:15.000 There's two different fights.

02:22:16.000 There's the fight that happens in the gym, or in the cage, and there's the fight that happens to get to the scale.

02:22:22.000 To get to the scale.

02:22:23.000 There's two different complete battles.

02:22:24.000 And you can't fight unless you're that exact weight right now.

02:22:26.000 Yeah, so the 24 to 48 hours before weigh-in is horrific for these guys.

02:22:30.000 Like a nightmare.

02:22:31.000 A nightmare.

02:22:32.000 They dehydrate themselves radically. 0.99

02:22:34.000 That's retarded. 1.00

02:22:34.000 They don't eat shit. 1.00

02:22:37.000 They eat very little food. 1.00

02:22:38.000 They're starving by the time they get on that scale.

02:22:40.000 Well, bodybuilders do the same thing, right? 0.99

02:22:42.000 They have to get their head shits. 0.99

02:22:42.000 Yeah, but they don't have to smack each other around. 0.99

02:22:45.000 They don't get fucking shins bounced off their domes. 0.99

02:22:48.000 40 miles an hour. 1.00

02:22:50.000 That's weird though.

02:22:51.000 Do they talk about this?

02:22:52.000 Yes.

02:22:53.000 Are they planning on fixing this?

02:22:56.000 There's not much they can do.

02:22:57.000 The one thing that they've done is they've moved the weight because you can't stop people from doing that if they want to do that.

02:23:02.000 I'm talking about the actual laws of the UFC. Maybe they should make the weight in a variable there of 5 pounds or something.

02:23:11.000 No, you wouldn't do that because then people would just get heavier.

02:23:14.000 They would make sure that they were heavy.

02:23:16.000 And then they would do the same thing.

02:23:18.000 Right.

02:23:18.000 See, if you varied it, if you said, like, you don't have to weigh in at 155, you can be as heavy as 160. Right.

02:23:22.000 Then they would get up to 180 and cut down to 160. But they'd still be cutting.

02:23:27.000 They'd be even bigger.

02:23:27.000 Yeah, they'd be even bigger.

02:23:28.000 Because they've got it down to a science.

02:23:30.000 Like, there's some guys, like, the best guy is this Brazilian guy, his name is Gleison Tebow.

02:23:35.000 He will cut 30 pounds, and he will weigh in at 155, but fight closer to 180. He will put most of it back on by the time.

02:23:45.000 30 pounds?

02:23:45.000 Pull up this guy, Tebow, GL, man, try spelling that.

02:23:51.000 Oh, you found him. 1.00

02:23:52.000 Who's the size of this motherfucker? 0.99

02:23:53.000 If you saw how big this guy is in person, he's 5'10". 1.00

02:23:56.000 And he weighs in at 155. And he's gigantic.

02:24:00.000 He's gigantic when he gets in the cage. 1.00

02:24:03.000 I mean, he's a fucking monster. 0.99

02:24:05.000 He's the very best in the world at cutting weight. 1.00

02:24:08.000 No one cuts weight better than that guy.

02:24:10.000 Yeah, they have it down to a science.

02:24:12.000 They have to.

02:24:12.000 It's also bio-specific.

02:24:15.000 Like, you might be better at weight cutting than I am.

02:24:17.000 And I might be better than he is. 0.84

02:24:19.000 Some people can dehydrate the shit out of themselves and bounce back easy and cut a lot of weight.

02:24:23.000 Other guys can't do it.

02:24:25.000 And it affects people very differently.

02:24:28.000 And no one understands why.

02:24:29.000 They don't know if it's a genetic issue, if it's a diet issue.

02:24:34.000 They don't know.

02:24:35.000 But some guys can cut a fuckload of weight.

02:24:37.000 And how do they do that?

02:24:38.000 How do they get the weight off?

02:24:39.000 There's a bunch of different ways.

02:24:40.000 Like, They try not to do that anymore.

02:24:44.000 That's the old school way to do it, and some guys still do it that way, but that's actually dangerous.

02:24:48.000 The way they do it now is through distilled water.

02:24:50.000 They take massive amounts of water up to the week of the weigh-in.

02:24:56.000 Several days before the weigh-in, they drink only distilled water, and they drink quite a bit of it.

02:25:02.000 So your body is used to just pissing out this water.

02:25:04.000 Distilled water has no minerals in it at all.

02:25:06.000 So the water's going in you and out you, in you and out you, right through.

02:25:10.000 You're not retaining it.

02:25:11.000 So then, leading up to the fight, they stop drinking water at all, And they piss everything out.

02:25:17.000 So they get down to, like, nothing.

02:25:19.000 Then they step on the scale, they weigh in at whatever it is, and then they slowly rehydrate, first of all with Pedialyte, which is an electrolyte supplement, and then they go to IVs.

02:25:29.000 They take an IV bag, and they take a...

02:25:32.000 Yeah, it's no joke, man.

02:25:33.000 And the IV bag is apparently the best way to rehydrate your noggin.

02:25:39.000 Because it's fast.

02:25:40.000 The brain.

02:25:40.000 Yeah.

02:25:41.000 The brain fluid is the real issue.

02:25:42.000 Yeah.

02:25:43.000 And doing it through the digestive tract apparently takes much more time.

02:25:46.000 For sure.

02:25:47.000 Than it does through the IV. To just put the IV in.

02:25:49.000 Right into your blood.

02:25:50.000 You can rehydrate much quicker.

02:25:52.000 Right.

02:25:52.000 This is the size of this guy.

02:25:53.000 Glazen Tebow.

02:25:54.000 Wow.

02:25:55.000 Yeah.

02:25:55.000 I think.

02:25:56.000 I don't know which one is pre-weigh in.

02:25:58.000 That's the one on the right is when he's dried out.

02:26:00.000 He just looks like the same muscular guy.

02:26:03.000 He looks fake.

02:26:03.000 Just a little smaller.

02:26:04.000 He looks like...

02:26:05.000 And then on the left, he just...

02:26:06.000 With the white shorts on. 1.00

02:26:08.000 See the size of that motherfucker? 1.00

02:26:10.000 He's a tank, too. 1.00

02:26:11.000 He's a strong motherfucker. 0.99

02:26:13.000 And he's also black belt in jiu-jitsu. 1.00

02:26:15.000 And he's got like 30 fucking plus MMA fights. 0.99

02:26:18.000 He's a beast. 0.99

02:26:19.000 But he's the best at doing that. 0.94

02:26:20.000 But it's a dangerous game.

02:26:22.000 It has to be.

02:26:23.000 It's really not cool for your brain to do that.

02:26:25.000 I've seen guys walk up to that scale where they look like they're dead.

02:26:28.000 The weigh-ins are on top of a platform, and they have to go up this platform, go up the stairs, get to this platform.

02:26:36.000 I've seen guys who are going to fight in a cage in 24 hours, and they can barely walk up those stairs.

02:26:43.000 Wow.

02:26:43.000 Barely make it.

02:26:44.000 It's just really out of control.

02:26:46.000 Oh yeah, real dangerous.

02:26:48.000 Nothing they can do about it.

02:26:49.000 The best thing they've done is move the weigh-ins from the day of the fights to 24 hours before.

02:26:55.000 Boxing did that.

02:26:56.000 And then what does that do?

02:26:57.000 It gives them more time to rehydrate.

02:26:58.000 So they're not so out of it when they get into the ring.

02:27:01.000 Because they used to do it the day of.

02:27:02.000 They used to do it the morning of the fights.

02:27:03.000 Guys used to weigh in and then they would go and fight that night.

02:27:06.000 And weight cutting has existed forever in boxing and wrestling.

02:27:11.000 And as soon as MMA had weight classes, people started weight cutting.

02:27:14.000 Right there.

02:27:16.000 Especially with MMA, because MMA, they came into it with a wrestler's mentality. 0.98

02:27:21.000 And a lot of MMA fighters, their base is in wrestling.

02:27:25.000 In fact, it's the best base for MMA. And those guys that came into it are used to cutting weight.

02:27:29.000 They're really good at it, and they know how to do it well.

02:27:32.000 The issue, of course, is that their sport doesn't have head trauma, or much head trauma.

02:27:36.000 Whereas MMA is all about head trauma.

02:27:38.000 It's all about that.

02:27:38.000 Yeah.

02:27:39.000 And head trauma with dehydration is very dangerous.

02:27:40.000 I'm surprised there hasn't been more deaths.

02:27:43.000 It's pretty incredible.

02:27:44.000 They're on the ball.

02:27:44.000 The doctors are excellent.

02:27:46.000 The referees are excellent.

02:27:47.000 The commissions, they keep a close eye on fighters and they test the shit out of them before they actually get into the cage.

02:27:52.000 They make them do MRIs, a full blood scan. 0.86

02:27:55.000 They make sure that these people that go in there are healthy.

02:27:57.000 And they've actually found a lot of real issues with people because of these scans that people didn't know they had an aneurysm ready to happen in their brain.

02:28:05.000 And if they got hit, they would have been like, pfft, out.

02:28:07.000 My friend Dan Hardy, who was a top-level MMA fighter, found out he had an extra heartbeat.

02:28:12.000 Some weird aberration of his heart where he's got his primary heartbeat and he's got this weird sort of extra beat that goes on and the worry is that this extra beat can overcome him and he could possibly have a heart attack.

02:28:24.000 I don't understand the medical aspect of it but he can't fight now unless he has this operation where they go into his chest and remove this extra heartbeat.

02:28:32.000 He can't fight now?

02:28:33.000 No, and he's a top-level pro.

02:28:36.000 And it's just the concern by these athletic commissions and the doctors have kept him from competing.

02:28:43.000 So he hasn't fought in the UFC in a couple years.

02:28:45.000 It's a real issue.

02:28:46.000 Why doesn't he get an operation?

02:28:47.000 Well, for him, he doesn't feel like he needs it.

02:28:49.000 He doesn't feel like it's warranted and necessary.

02:28:51.000 Yeah, but it's preventing him from fighting.

02:28:52.000 It's also, he underwent, and I hate using these terms, but in his case it's actually the correct term, he underwent a spiritual transformation.

02:29:02.000 He went to the Amazon and took ayahuasca and sort of has reassessed his entire life since then.

02:29:11.000 He totally had an awakening.

02:29:14.000 Yeah, he's totally fine.

02:29:15.000 I know it's all wing nutty like Zen, but it happens.

02:29:18.000 He ain't wing nutty if you take it.

02:29:19.000 And also, I think those things happen.

02:29:21.000 Oh, yeah.

02:29:22.000 I really believe that it happens.

02:29:23.000 Have you ever done ayahuasca?

02:29:24.000 No, but it would be pretty awesome to do.

02:29:27.000 You need to do it.

02:29:27.000 I think so.

02:29:28.000 Yeah.

02:29:28.000 Have you done it?

02:29:29.000 Yeah.

02:29:29.000 Well, I've done the strongest version of it, which is the pure dimethyltryptamine.

02:29:34.000 Oh, my God.

02:29:35.000 Were you in the Amazon jungle when you did it?

02:29:37.000 No, I was at my house.

02:29:38.000 And you painted it all Amazon giant.

02:29:41.000 I hate mosquitoes. 0.99

02:29:43.000 The earth doesn't give a fuck where you are. 1.00

02:29:45.000 That's hilarious. 0.99

02:29:46.000 One of the things you realize when you do DMT is the earth gives zero fucks where you are while this is happening.

02:29:51.000 You do not need to be in the desert.

02:29:54.000 It is way bigger than that.

02:29:56.000 It's the whole universe.

02:29:57.000 No, totally.

02:29:58.000 Wow.

02:29:59.000 Dimethyltryptamine is the pure version of what the ayahuasca experience is.

02:30:04.000 Oh, wow.

02:30:04.000 Ayahuasca is the orally active version of dimethyltryptamine.

02:30:08.000 And these shamans in the Amazon figured...

02:30:11.000 Many, many thousands of years ago.

02:30:13.000 We don't even know when.

02:30:14.000 They figured out how to combine these ingredients in order to make DMT orally active.

02:30:20.000 Because DMT normally is not orally active because it exists in so many different plants.

02:30:25.000 You would be tripping all the time if you ate salad.

02:30:28.000 Right.

02:30:29.000 Really? 0.96

02:30:29.000 No bullshit. 0.96

02:30:30.000 So your body produces something called monoamine oxidase, and monoamine oxidase breaks down dimethyltryptamine in the gut. 0.74

02:30:37.000 So what they've done with ayahuasca is it's a combinatory drug where they've taken the root of one plant and the leaves of the other, and the leaves or the root of one of them is a natural MAO inhibitor.

02:30:49.000 It's called harmine, and they boil this stuff down together.

02:30:53.000 And they create this thing where the MAO inhibitor and the DMT are all together so that as you drink it, it goes into your gut, but the monoamine oxidase gets killed by the harmine and the DMT goes right into the bloodstream.

02:31:07.000 What?

02:31:08.000 Yeah.

02:31:09.000 It's like a slow release version of the DMT. And then what happens when you...

02:31:13.000 You go to the spirit world.

02:31:15.000 Yeah.

02:31:15.000 It's for real.

02:31:16.000 The idea of the spirit world sounds like everything that everybody thinks about when you think of, like, if you took a pill and you went to a magic place where there's dragons and demons and aliens and spaceships and fractals all around you,

02:31:33.000 it's that times a million.

02:31:36.000 Wow.

02:31:37.000 Plus, it's way more real than reality itself.

02:31:40.000 Wow.

02:31:40.000 Dan Hardy went down there and did this.

02:31:44.000 He's like, fighting is kind of futile.

02:31:46.000 It's kind of like, what am I doing?

02:31:49.000 What's the necessary evil here?

02:31:52.000 What is really being done here?

02:31:55.000 What am I really pursuing?

02:31:57.000 He realized that he was basically on a vision quest.

02:31:59.000 His life was like...

02:32:00.000 A vision quest and to find himself, to seek truth, he did it through combat.

02:32:05.000 You know, he did it through physical one-on-one competition in the most dangerous sport in the world.

02:32:11.000 And then in having this, and I'm really speaking at a turn to put these words into his mouth, but I think what I got out of it from speaking to him was that he, now that he understands that this whole world exists, And that it existed always.

02:32:29.000 And it was behind the curtain.

02:32:31.000 And he couldn't see the little man behind the curtain pulling the cords.

02:32:34.000 And then all of a sudden he saw it and he sees everything.

02:32:36.000 He saw the whole thing.

02:32:37.000 That it's just his perspective was altered so radically.

02:32:40.000 And it also coincided with when he was diagnosed with this condition.

02:32:45.000 So it's almost like the universe is giving him a new path.

02:32:47.000 No, it totally is.

02:32:48.000 It totally is.

02:32:49.000 I'm a big believer of that.

02:32:50.000 It's possible.

02:32:51.000 I mean, it's possible you created all yourself inside your imagination as well.

02:32:55.000 There's many things there that are possible.

02:32:57.000 Yeah.

02:32:58.000 If you're open to it.

02:32:59.000 Oh yeah.

02:32:59.000 You have to be open to it.

02:33:00.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:33:01.000 The imagination itself is scary as fuck. 1.00

02:33:04.000 That's why people aren't open to it. 0.96

02:33:06.000 They don't want to look at that.

02:33:07.000 It can just freak you out.

02:33:08.000 Imagination is madness.

02:33:10.000 Just what it is.

02:33:11.000 I mean, everybody thinks of the imagination as being, oh, you know, he thinks about things that aren't really there.

02:33:16.000 Sort of.

02:33:17.000 But the imagination is also what made cities.

02:33:20.000 It's also what made laptops.

02:33:22.000 It made every physical object that has ever been created had to be invented.

02:33:27.000 And it had to be invented through the imagination.

02:33:29.000 Even if it was done in steps, like first came the tire, and then came the wheel, and then came the engine.

02:33:35.000 All those things combined created a car that gets you to Vegas in four hours.

02:33:38.000 And that's a real thing.

02:33:40.000 All those created a plane that gets you in the air. 0.99

02:33:42.000 All those created a fucking spaceship that launches a satellite into orbit. 0.99

02:33:45.000 All those created a phone that allows you to text someone who's in Australia. 0.99

02:33:49.000 All those created light bulbs. 1.00

02:33:51.000 All that shit is imagination. 1.00

02:33:53.000 Imagination has reshaped the entire surface of the fucking planet like no other thing, entity, no other power. 1.00

02:34:01.000 More so than fucking volcanoes. 0.98

02:34:04.000 So, after he had that trip and he doesn't fight anymore, did he find that it was a different calling for him right now? 0.98

02:34:11.000 I haven't talked to him in a while.

02:34:13.000 We need to get it back on here.

02:34:14.000 I don't know what he's up to these days.

02:34:16.000 I'm very interested to know, did he feel like with that, his fighting was over and it was time for him to go to a new path?

02:34:22.000 And that's why he...

02:34:23.000 Wasn't really worried about having the surgery and going there.

02:34:26.000 Does that make sense?

02:34:27.000 Yeah, I don't know.

02:34:28.000 I mean, look, I think he probably would still like to compete every now and then if he could get it worked out.

02:34:34.000 But I also believe that what he was saying was that that's not the most important thing in the world right now.

02:34:40.000 And he also realizes how much of the goals that he wanted to achieve were ego-based, ego-centered.

02:34:45.000 Right, sure.

02:34:45.000 And one of the things that gets crushed when you have a really intense psychedelic experience is the ego.

02:34:51.000 It always bounces back a little.

02:34:53.000 I fight with my ego all the time, as every man does.

02:34:56.000 Of course.

02:34:57.000 It's also part of the testosterone thing.

02:35:01.000 Possibly, yeah.

02:35:02.000 XY chromosome thing. 0.99

02:35:03.000 It's part of the dick thing. 0.97

02:35:04.000 It's part of the male identity thing. 0.83

02:35:08.000 There's a constant need to feel special, to justify why you're doing what you're doing, to reward yourself for what you've done and encourage further progress.

02:35:19.000 But that progress, that's what sort of...

02:35:24.000 It sort of pushes forth almost everything that men do in this world.

02:35:28.000 And there's that weird balance where you're trying to be a sort of enlightened person, but also you're a man.

02:35:37.000 So you're fighting against that?

02:35:40.000 Fighting, yes, but I prefer the term struggle.

02:35:45.000 Okay, right.

02:35:46.000 Not even struggle, but you constantly have to be aware of it.

02:35:52.000 We're good to go.

02:36:09.000 And take over.

02:36:09.000 And then my other question was going to be – so I find it really fascinating that you're saying that because I know women and men think totally differently.

02:36:16.000 Yeah.

02:36:17.000 And I can tell you that for sure.

02:36:18.000 Right, right, right.

02:36:19.000 My thought process changed, the way I interact.

02:36:21.000 And people don't tend to realize that – why I think men and women always have problems with each other in relationships – Men's needs are different than women's needs. 0.65

02:36:30.000 And it's a reality that people don't want to talk about.

02:36:33.000 It's true.

02:36:35.000 Do you think that that is true?

02:36:36.000 Oh, for sure.

02:36:37.000 I mean, I assume it's true, but you know it's true.

02:36:40.000 You know it's true.

02:36:42.000 And I think a lot of problems could be solved in the world as well as relationships if people just are okay with that.

02:36:48.000 And they don't fight against it.

02:36:50.000 Like the woman needs these things necessary for me to be happy. 1.00

02:36:53.000 And then the man needs this and it causes this huge conflict within The relationship, whatever.

02:36:58.000 If it's a friendship or a marriage or whatever.

02:37:00.000 Well, that's also with friendships, too.

02:37:01.000 I mean, some people require a lot.

02:37:03.000 A lot.

02:37:04.000 Yeah, and some people don't.

02:37:06.000 And the people that require a lot, don't hang out with them.

02:37:10.000 They're not worth it.

02:37:11.000 They're never worth it.

02:37:12.000 You don't.

02:37:13.000 They're never worth it.

02:37:14.000 No, you're totally right.

02:37:15.000 They're never worth it.

02:37:16.000 They're never worth it. 1.00

02:37:16.000 I don't care if they have golden pussy or magic dick, whatever. 1.00

02:37:19.000 After a while, you're going to get bored. 1.00

02:37:21.000 Well, no, it's a two-way street.

02:37:22.000 You have to feel like you're both getting that situation.

02:37:25.000 And the people that require an exorbitant amount of attention, an exorbitant amount of attention, they're never worth it.

02:37:30.000 No way.

02:37:30.000 In the long run, you're going to suffer.

02:37:31.000 I dated this girl once, and she was so fucked. 1.00

02:37:34.000 It was so fucking dramatic. 1.00

02:37:36.000 Everything was a struggle and everything was against her and everything was about her. 0.98

02:37:40.000 Everything that went well for someone had to be turned around to highlight how bad her life has gone.

02:37:47.000 Including things that would go well for me.

02:37:49.000 It would immediately...

02:37:50.000 Turn into, woe is me, because I don't have anything good going on in my life.

02:37:54.000 It was so brutal.

02:37:56.000 And we broke up, and then I started dating this other girl who was really nice.

02:37:59.000 And it was like I got on a balloon.

02:38:02.000 And I was flying around the city.

02:38:04.000 And the other girl was friendly, and she cracked jokes all the time, and everything was funny to her.

02:38:09.000 And I was like, oh, criminy.

02:38:11.000 There's hope out there.

02:38:11.000 What was I doing?

02:38:13.000 There's hope in the world.

02:38:15.000 It's like my soul was on a balloon.

02:38:17.000 Like, up, up and away in my beautiful, beautiful balloon.

02:38:22.000 But she connected with you, though.

02:38:24.000 It wasn't just her being a woman. 0.96

02:38:25.000 I think there was a connection.

02:38:27.000 Yeah, the crazy one was better than that.

02:38:28.000 On the people level.

02:38:29.000 The crazy one was better than that. 1.00

02:38:31.000 Crazy wild bitch wanted to fuck like a dog. 1.00

02:38:34.000 She wanted to just distract herself from her miserable mind. 1.00

02:38:38.000 She wanted to just have wild crazy fucking hair pulling madness. 1.00

02:38:43.000 She just wanted to growl. 0.99

02:38:45.000 That's pretty awesome.

02:38:46.000 The other one was just a sweetie. 1.00

02:38:50.000 Again, it's the balance of the fucking crazy world we live in. 0.99

02:38:53.000 Yeah, it is. 0.99

02:38:53.000 Totally. 0.99

02:38:54.000 100%.

02:38:55.000 The other problem is not just the men who think that they understand how women think and the women who think they understand how men think.

02:39:06.000 The other problem is the people who pretend to be someone else to placate the opposite gender.

02:39:12.000 Oh my god, that's so scary.

02:39:14.000 It's a huge issue.

02:39:15.000 Happens all the time.

02:39:15.000 Yeah.

02:39:16.000 Those are the white knights.

02:39:17.000 Yes.

02:39:18.000 Happens all the time. 1.00

02:39:19.000 The male bitches of the world. 1.00

02:39:21.000 Well, there's guys who get together with, like, for example, I have, obviously, stripper friends. 0.99

02:39:26.000 Obviously?

02:39:27.000 Obviously.

02:39:28.000 Why did I say obviously?

02:39:29.000 Because I work in the sex industry.

02:39:31.000 Of course I have stripper friends. 0.98

02:39:32.000 And then, like, the guys get with the girls, and they don't want them to strip anymore.

02:39:35.000 That's hilarious.

02:39:36.000 Happens all the time. 0.62

02:39:37.000 Porn stars too, right? 0.91

02:39:38.000 Porn stars too. 0.98

02:39:39.000 Nope, can't do that anymore. 0.99

02:39:40.000 Like, what the fuck is that all about? 0.98

02:39:42.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:39:43.000 Or they make weird rules. 0.99

02:39:44.000 Like, you're allowed to fuck other people, but only at work. 0.99

02:39:46.000 Only this guy. 1.00

02:39:47.000 Or you're only allowed to fuck girls in front of me. 1.00

02:39:49.000 Or, yeah, only girls in front of me. 1.00

02:39:51.000 Or you can only fuck, like, a short list of guys that I'm friends with. 1.00

02:39:54.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:39:55.000 And they can't come in your face anymore.

02:39:56.000 No. 1.00

02:39:59.000 Not your butt. 1.00

02:40:00.000 No double penetration on my woman, bro. 1.00

02:40:04.000 That's ego stuff going on. 0.97

02:40:06.000 It is.

02:40:08.000 If you really pay attention to the heavy-duty psychedelic heads, they say that at one point in time when people regularly consumed psychedelics, we were much more like chimpanzees.

02:40:18.000 We had this orgiastic community.

02:40:20.000 Small group of, you know, 50 to 100 people, and we all shared.

02:40:24.000 In fact, one of the guys that we have on the podcast all the time is a guy named Dr. Chris Ryan, and he wrote a book called Sex at Dawn.

02:40:31.000 And it's a fascinating book about the origins of human sexual interaction.

02:40:36.000 And his take on it is really, first of all, it's really well studied.

02:40:40.000 And secondly, just the origin of words, like promiscuous.

02:40:45.000 Wow.

02:40:45.000 The original origin of promiscuous doesn't mean having sex with random people.

02:40:49.000 That never happened.

02:40:51.000 It means mixed.

02:40:53.000 Mixed sexuality. 0.97

02:40:54.000 Like having sex with several partners. 0.95

02:40:56.000 That was promiscuous, but it was always people in the community. 0.66

02:40:59.000 It was always people that knew each other.

02:41:02.000 Because there was only 50 of you and you're hanging out in the Amazon.

02:41:05.000 You know, when you're shooting darts at monkeys and trying to stay alive and keep that fire lit.

02:41:09.000 It wasn't like going to a club and picking some strange guy and letting him come inside you.

02:41:14.000 That didn't happen.

02:41:15.000 They didn't allow strangers in the camp. 1.00

02:41:18.000 They didn't just go meet people and fuck. 1.00

02:41:20.000 Right. 1.00

02:41:21.000 It's like polyamory or something. 0.99

02:41:22.000 People are just fucking each other, but they know. 0.98

02:41:24.000 It's also the idea exists in fighter pilots. 0.98

02:41:27.000 It was another really fascinating aspect of this guy's book is that fighter pilots and people in intense, high risk, high death rate jobs would often wife swap.

02:41:38.000 And the idea, the psychology behind it was the wife swapping was to ensure that they're the one that they love so dearly.

02:41:44.000 It's not that they didn't want to have this connection only with them, but they wanted other people to love them too because they probably wouldn't be around.

02:41:52.000 Oh, wow.

02:41:53.000 That's really fascinating.

02:41:55.000 Yes, and it's very common amongst fighter pilots.

02:41:57.000 Like, this is a switch that goes off when you're in this intense, you know, the odds of me dying are very high.

02:42:03.000 The odds of you dying are probably 30% or something crazy like that.

02:42:07.000 So I just made that up then.

02:42:08.000 I know.

02:42:08.000 I don't know why I threw out 30%.

02:42:10.000 I had to define it.

02:42:11.000 That's the ego.

02:42:12.000 That's the ego.

02:42:14.000 Having to come up with a number.

02:42:15.000 But they do that on a regular basis.

02:42:17.000 It's a super common thing among soldiers, some police officers.

02:42:21.000 A lot of cops wind up doing that. 0.83

02:42:22.000 No, they totally do.

02:42:23.000 Yeah.

02:42:24.000 That's what it's about.

02:42:25.000 It's about there is a primal need to have your loved ones loved by others so that they'll be safe when you're gone.

02:42:33.000 Wow, that's really fascinating.

02:42:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:42:37.000 Human sexuality morphs so much, depending upon circumstance.

02:42:42.000 It's totally something people don't...

02:42:44.000 They just think, oh, that's why people want...

02:42:46.000 Guys especially need to go out.

02:42:48.000 It's part of your DNA. It's part of...

02:42:50.000 You need to spread your seed. 0.96

02:42:51.000 It's very normal, I think, that guys go out and need to have sex with lots of different people. 0.98

02:42:56.000 I think it's part of...

02:42:57.000 Try explaining that to my wife. 0.77

02:42:59.000 Or anybody's wife. 0.84

02:43:00.000 I can explain it.

02:43:01.000 I know, I'm just kidding.

02:43:02.000 But you can't.

02:43:03.000 But would your wife be okay with that if you did that or would she not be okay with that?

02:43:06.000 I think she'd probably be pretty sad.

02:43:07.000 Really?

02:43:07.000 Yeah.

02:43:08.000 No, women don't want you to go fuck other guys or other girls. 1.00

02:43:11.000 No, you can't be fucking other guys. 1.00

02:43:14.000 Well, you don't want them to fuck other guys and they don't want you to fuck other girls. 1.00

02:43:18.000 And even if your DNA is telling you to go do it... 1.00

02:43:21.000 No, I know some people who are totally okay with that. 0.82

02:43:24.000 We're hanging out with a bunch of strippers and freaks. 0.99

02:43:25.000 Look at you. 0.92

02:43:25.000 You've established this. 0.92

02:43:27.000 I know all the polyamory people who fuck each other. 1.00

02:43:29.000 I think every man would certainly want that if it was a one-way street, but I think most men wouldn't want it. 1.00

02:43:35.000 So would you be okay with your wife fucking someone else? 1.00

02:43:38.000 No, that wouldn't be nice. 1.00

02:43:39.000 Yeah.

02:43:39.000 I wouldn't enjoy that.

02:43:40.000 Yeah, you wouldn't enjoy it.

02:43:41.000 What if you watched?

02:43:42.000 Well, my question for you, though, is because you were a woman and now you're a man, is how has your thoughts on that changed?

02:43:50.000 Oh, totally.

02:43:51.000 You were always a lesbian, though. 1.00

02:43:52.000 Yeah, I identified as a gay woman for many years.

02:43:55.000 Because it was the only thing I knew how I could identify.

02:43:58.000 Though I felt like a man.

02:43:59.000 Then when I told my lesbian community, well, I kind of feel like a man and I'm going to have this change.

02:44:04.000 They all dumped me.

02:44:05.000 I lost all of my friends. 1.00

02:44:07.000 They were like, you're a traitor. 0.64

02:44:08.000 Basically they said I'm a traitor. 0.55

02:44:10.000 What?

02:44:10.000 I'm going to the bad side.

02:44:12.000 Wait a minute.

02:44:13.000 Totally.

02:44:13.000 That was the actual words they said?

02:44:14.000 20 years ago.

02:44:15.000 Oh yeah.

02:44:16.000 They actually said you're a traitor?

02:44:17.000 You're going to the other side. 0.57

02:44:19.000 Totally, dude.

02:44:20.000 And I was like, dumped!

02:44:22.000 Wouldn't you think that people who have been marginalized, people who have been forced to face all sorts of prejudice and hurtful things, that they would be more accepting?

02:44:35.000 You would think that.

02:44:36.000 That's a very good point.

02:44:37.000 What is wrong with people?

02:44:39.000 Well, I guess it was 20 years ago.

02:44:40.000 I don't know if so many lesbians feel the way. 1.00

02:44:43.000 There is this whole thing going on in the gay women's community where they feel sort of... 0.77

02:44:47.000 I don't know.

02:44:48.000 Actually, I can't say anything about that.

02:44:49.000 I've always wondered why they don't take up real estate the way that gay men do. 1.00

02:44:53.000 Like, gay men can fucking dominate an entire community. 1.00

02:44:56.000 It's a male and female thing. 1.00

02:44:59.000 It totally is.

02:44:59.000 Of course.

02:45:00.000 It totally is.

02:45:00.000 The building of male communities, like gay communities, it's like, they're like, yoohoo!

02:45:07.000 Move over here! 1.00

02:45:07.000 It's necessary. 1.00

02:45:08.000 That's male.

02:45:09.000 It is.

02:45:10.000 Like, it's just, men need to do it. 1.00

02:45:11.000 Women are really much more, you know, passive, and they're fine with that, and they're fine with their... 1.00

02:45:18.000 I mean, I know that you experienced prejudice and hate as a woman who's a gay woman, but I think it's less so than gay men experience.

02:45:27.000 Yeah, because they're less out there, right?

02:45:30.000 Like I just said, the gay men are out there making that statement where the gay women are very comfortable being in there.

02:45:38.000 But it's also like if gay women moved next door, it wouldn't freak a lot of people out. 1.00

02:45:43.000 But if a gay man moved next door, they would start going, oh, he's going to try to fuck me. 1.00

02:45:47.000 That's what it is right there. 1.00

02:45:48.000 It's more than men.

02:45:49.000 Men don't want to feel like a sex object.

02:45:52.000 They don't want to feel like the way they treat women. 1.00

02:45:54.000 I like feeling like a sex object.

02:45:57.000 But I think some men, well, to other men, you know, they worry that... 0.96

02:46:01.000 Especially if you're a straight man, and you're like, no, that's not totally cool. 0.99

02:46:04.000 And you're not affected by the gay women, because you might want to watch the gay women have sex. 1.00

02:46:09.000 Yeah, the gay women are no problem at all. 1.00

02:46:10.000 Yeah, no, it's not an issue.

02:46:11.000 As a matter of fact, you try to be friendly as possible.

02:46:13.000 Exactly.

02:46:13.000 You get invited over for the parties.

02:46:15.000 Yeah, maybe if I'm just quiet and sit over here, they could be buds.

02:46:18.000 Well, listen, man, this is a great conversation.

02:46:21.000 It's really, really fun.

02:46:22.000 I'm glad we had it.

02:46:23.000 And I'm glad we covered, you know, so many of the various aspects of the world of transgender and gender identity.

02:46:31.000 And I think a lot of people got a lot out of this.

02:46:33.000 At least I'd hope to think that.

02:46:34.000 I think so.

02:46:35.000 Yeah.

02:46:35.000 I think it was a good one.

02:46:36.000 I think it's a...

02:46:37.000 It's a super important subject, and it's also super important that people kind of understand that it doesn't matter, man.

02:46:46.000 People are people. 0.99

02:46:48.000 Whatever the fuck they want to do, whether it's be a man, be a woman, get all tattooed up like you and I, or not, or shave your head or not, or fucking whatever, man. 0.99

02:46:59.000 What kind of interaction are you having with that person? 1.00

02:47:02.000 And my interaction with you was very pleasant.

02:47:03.000 I enjoyed it very much.

02:47:04.000 Me too.

02:47:05.000 So we're friends now.

02:47:05.000 You're pretty cool, dude.

02:47:06.000 You're pretty cool, too.

02:47:07.000 I'm friends with Buck Angel. 1.00

02:47:08.000 There you go, bitches. 1.00

02:47:10.000 Alright, that's the end of the podcast. 0.99

02:47:12.000 If anybody wants to find you online, they can get you at Buck Angel on Twitter.

02:47:19.000 And you have a website.

02:47:21.000 It's BuckAngel.com.

02:47:24.000 What's the best one of those things?

02:47:25.000 BuckAngel.com. 0.99

02:47:26.000 BuckAngel.com is a contact and all that shit. 0.98

02:47:29.000 And Twitter is exactly the same. 0.97

02:47:32.000 And Facebook is exactly the same.

02:47:34.000 And Facebook, yeah.

02:47:35.000 And let's do this again.

02:47:36.000 Oh, sweet.

02:47:37.000 We'll do it again.

02:47:37.000 Beautiful.

02:47:38.000 Fun times.

02:47:39.000 Alright, thanks everybody for tuning in to the podcast.

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02:48:17.000 We're good to go.

02:48:43.000 And hopefully a lot of the rest of the local posse.

02:48:48.000 The entire freak party.

02:48:49.000 And we will just get as many people in here as possible.

02:48:53.000 And we'll all get lit up.

02:48:54.000 And we'll have a good time.

02:48:55.000 And it'll probably be a big sloppy drunk mess.

02:48:57.000 And stoned.

02:48:58.000 And we'll probably forget what we're talking about halfway through. 1.00

02:49:00.000 And I'm sure Brian's going to say something really stupid. 0.99

02:49:02.000 And it's going to be excellent. 0.98

02:49:03.000 It'll probably wind up being an animated thing online.

02:49:05.000 So we'll for sure see you guys on Friday.

02:49:08.000 Most likely see you before then as well.

02:49:10.000 So until then, big kiss. 1.00

02:49:12.000 Go fuck yourself. 1.00

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 30, 2013

Joe Rogan Experience #399 - Buck Angel

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