The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #511 - Enson Inoue

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00:05:14.000 50 Celsius.

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00:05:34.000 Which is, I think, 90 pounds?

00:05:37.000 It's 40, 90 pounds?

00:05:38.000 Something like that.

00:05:39.000 It's like 2.2 pounds per kilogram.

00:05:42.000 Let's find out what that is.

00:05:44.000 40 kilograms.

00:05:46.000 40 kilos.

00:05:47.000 I'd say it's 90. 96. Is it 96?

00:05:52.000 Times 2.2, yeah.

00:05:53.000 Yeah?

00:05:54.000 You know that, right?

00:05:55.000 Because you live in Japan. 1.00

00:05:56.000 In Japan, they use kilograms, right?

00:05:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

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00:06:02.000 You know, they tried that shit when I was a kid. 0.98

00:06:05.000 I remember when I was a kid, there was a whole push to get everybody to use the metric system. 0.99

00:06:13.000 88. 88. That's what it is?

00:06:15.000 Yeah.

00:06:16.000 Okay.

00:06:16.000 88.1849 pounds is 40 kilograms.

00:06:22.000 Essentially pretty close to 90 pounds. 1.00

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00:06:34.000 I mean, that's like a heavyweight would work out with two 40-pound kilos. 0.99

00:06:38.000 And 40 pounds? 0.99

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00:09:50.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, Ensign Inouye is here. 0.98

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00:10:06.000 Way, way, way, way back in, I think it was 1998, I first got to meet Ensign when you armbarred...

00:10:14.000 97. 97. Wow.

00:10:15.000 You armbarred Royce Alger, and Royce Alger was one of the latest and greatest of the wrestlers that was entering into the UFC, and they were going to take the place.

00:10:25.000 There was a Mark Coleman era, when Mark Coleman was smashing everybody, and he was 255 pounds of solid muscle.

00:10:32.000 I think Kevin Jackson beat John Lewis then, too.

00:10:34.000 Yeah, put that thing closer to your face so you can move it around a little bit.

00:10:38.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:39.000 Kevin Jackson beat John Lewis.

00:10:40.000 There was some serious wrestlers back in that day that were just starting.

00:10:45.000 Kenny Monday was entering into MMA. That's right, yeah.

00:10:48.000 Did he do Extreme Combat?

00:10:51.000 Yeah, Extreme Combat.

00:10:52.000 And then he did...

00:10:53.000 Remember they had...

00:10:55.000 The same people, they had a submission-only thing, where Frank Shamrock took on Dan Henderson and got him in a heel, like an ankle lock.

00:11:02.000 I remember that.

00:11:03.000 Yeah, there was a lot of that going on, man.

00:11:05.000 All these high-level wrestlers were just starting to find their way into MMA. They're like, oh, this is finally an opportunity to use their wrestling skills.

00:11:15.000 Every time I saw the wrestlers fight, I always...

00:11:18.000 I always said it, they don't understand arm bars.

00:11:21.000 It's true.

00:11:22.000 Yeah.

00:11:22.000 You had a wicked one, man.

00:11:23.000 You're one of the few guys to ever submit Randy Couture.

00:11:26.000 You submitted Randy Couture with an arm bar, and before you caught him with that arm bar, man, you landed some of the most devastating kicks from the butt scoot position I've ever seen.

00:11:35.000 Because everybody used to just throw straight kicks to kick guys off from the butt scoot.

00:11:40.000 But you figured out a way to torque your hips from the ground.

00:11:44.000 Like a low leg kick. 0.97

00:11:45.000 Yeah!

00:11:46.000 A nasty leg kick from the ground.

00:11:48.000 It's kind of interesting because you don't see that from other dudes.

00:11:51.000 And even to this day, that's a rare technique.

00:11:54.000 I think that fight, your fight with Randy Couture, might have been the most effective application of those low leg kicks from the ground I've ever seen.

00:12:02.000 My whole objective in that fight was just to keep pressing forward.

00:12:07.000 Just pressure him all the way.

00:12:11.000 Yeah.

00:12:11.000 There it is right there.

00:12:12.000 That was a great fight, man.

00:12:14.000 That was a great fight.

00:12:15.000 That was a really interesting fight, man. 1.00

00:12:17.000 You were a wild motherfucker, dude. 0.99

00:12:19.000 You were one of my all-time favorite fighters to watch because of that. 1.00

00:12:22.000 And your style of fighting, man, was always balls to the wall, do or die.

00:12:28.000 A lot of people talk that, but you did it.

00:12:31.000 You did it in every single fight, man.

00:12:34.000 Without a doubt, you had one of the most exciting mixed martial arts careers ever.

00:12:39.000 And despite your wild, crazy style, you got through it.

00:12:43.000 You're fine, man.

00:12:44.000 All those years of fighting, you're fine.

00:12:48.000 Not stuttering too much.

00:12:49.000 Not at all, man.

00:12:50.000 How did you manage to pull that off?

00:12:53.000 Make them all short and fast, man.

00:12:55.000 Yeah, this was the butt scoop thing.

00:12:58.000 You were doing something totally different.

00:13:00.000 Because you snuck up on him like you scooted forward, Randy was standing right in front of you, but you were blasting him with these leg kicks.

00:13:08.000 Yeah, you know my ankles, my shins, I had like a whole roll of tape on each shin.

00:13:11.000 Like right there, boom!

00:13:12.000 Yeah.

00:13:13.000 Oh yeah, you really taped it up hard.

00:13:15.000 Yeah, I taped it up hard.

00:13:16.000 They let us do it, so I was like, why not?

00:13:19.000 Like, cast on my legs.

00:13:20.000 Well, do you remember when they used to let everybody fight with wrestling shoes on?

00:13:23.000 That was a big thing, too. 0.98

00:13:24.000 They used to kick guys in the face with wrestling shoes, which I thought, maybe okay with the top of the wrestling shoe, but if you do shit like wheel kicks and sidekicks to the face, you could scratch the fuck out of someone's eye. 0.97

00:13:36.000 Like, with the bottom, the textured rubber part of the shoe. 0.96

00:13:41.000 That's a weird thing, the transitionary time of MMA, when they were sort of first sorting out the rules.

00:13:49.000 But this was a big fight, because Randy had left the UFC, and Randy was one of the elite guys in the UFC. This is after he had beat Vitor.

00:13:58.000 Yeah, and Randy was known as one of the best guys in the world, but John Powell slapped on that armbar, son.

00:14:05.000 And that's it. 1.00

00:14:06.000 Ensign Inoue is a motherfucker, ladies and gentlemen. 0.99

00:14:11.000 Are you still training guys now over in Japan? 1.00

00:14:15.000 More doing stuff up north, yeah.

00:14:18.000 Up north?

00:14:19.000 Working with my bracelets, that's it, yeah.

00:14:20.000 I'm popping in the gym here and there.

00:14:23.000 You're still working with the people near the nuclear plant?

00:14:26.000 Yeah, going up to the temporary housing.

00:14:30.000 What is that situation like up there?

00:14:32.000 For everybody here, you know, you hear a lot of hysteria and you hear everyone's kind of scared because they're afraid the radiation is getting into the water.

00:14:40.000 And it's coming over to America. 0.93

00:14:42.000 What I've read from scientists that have actually been off the coast of Fukushima who have analyzed the fish is that it's not something to worry about yet.

00:14:51.000 They've caught fish directly off the coast that live there that are like not migrating fish and they say those fish are safe to eat.

00:14:58.000 It depends where you're talking about.

00:14:59.000 If you're talking about the power plant...

00:15:03.000 As of right now, there's not much of a worry, but it all depends on what's going to happen with that because they're getting too much radioactive waste storage.

00:15:10.000 They can't store it anymore.

00:15:11.000 Yeah, they're doing this crazy thing when they have a pit and they're surrounding the pit with frozen rods.

00:15:17.000 So they're gonna freeze the ground and turn this pit into this like temporary housing for all this radioactive water and But they're getting too much.

00:15:27.000 They can't supply it anymore.

00:15:29.000 They got these big bins that they're holding them in and they're cracking now.

00:15:34.000 So as far as up by the plant, it's a lot of radiation.

00:15:37.000 But as far as the people who were displaced from the tsunami or from the radiation, they're in a real hopeless situation because they have temporary housing, which is boxes smaller than this room.

00:15:50.000 And they have to live there with their families.

00:15:52.000 And through the winter, it's like just a small wall that you can hear the rain hit the roofs.

00:15:58.000 Wow.

00:15:59.000 So that has been extended.

00:16:01.000 It was supposed to be a two-year thing.

00:16:02.000 They extended it for another three, so it's five.

00:16:04.000 And they're still not going to be able to move on from then.

00:16:06.000 The government's not helping them.

00:16:08.000 Why isn't the government helping them?

00:16:10.000 I don't think they can afford it yet right now.

00:16:12.000 Why isn't the world helping?

00:16:14.000 I mean, that's a world issue.

00:16:16.000 I feel like any sort of a cataclysmic disaster like that, that is a time when the world has to show world community.

00:16:23.000 Forget about all the borders and nations and all the nonsense.

00:16:26.000 If there's money that can be donated, if there's people that can be helped, that's a time to help.

00:16:31.000 I mean, that's a real clusterfuck of a situation.

00:16:34.000 Yeah, I've been up there 29 times now.

00:16:37.000 Wow, that's amazing.

00:16:38.000 Still going to continue, yeah.

00:16:40.000 It's kind of shocking how quick that whole thing went bad.

00:16:45.000 Everybody thought that when you see nuclear power plants, you assume they have some sort of a backup plan.

00:16:51.000 If it goes bad, I didn't know until this event that power plants, you can't shut them down.

00:16:59.000 I didn't know that either.

00:17:01.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:17:02.000 Like, what do you mean you have to keep them operating?

00:17:04.000 Like, what are you talking about?

00:17:05.000 Like, you have to keep them going to keep them cool? 0.96

00:17:07.000 And if you don't, they burn through the containment and they, you know, they melt down and go into the earth and they don't know what the fuck happened to them.

00:17:15.000 I think in Fukushima it was just the size of the earthquake and then the Timing of the tsunami coming in so fast.

00:17:22.000 Yeah.

00:17:22.000 And so hard, yeah.

00:17:23.000 But it's weird that that's also one of the things that they do with nuclear power plants is they put them near the ocean to keep them cool so they could use the water. 0.99

00:17:31.000 But it's just like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:17:34.000 Yeah, really, yeah. 0.99

00:17:36.000 I learned a lot about nuclear power plants from that, from just paying attention to it, because before that, I didn't even know what they did.

00:17:43.000 I thought that nuclear energy somehow or another made electricity, but it really just makes steam.

00:17:48.000 Yeah, I didn't know that either.

00:17:49.000 Yeah.

00:17:50.000 Yeah.

00:17:51.000 It's still like some old school method of using steam power to create electricity.

00:17:57.000 They just do it through nuclear power.

00:17:59.000 There's a lot of them all over the world. 1.00

00:18:00.000 Fuck yeah, there are. 1.00

00:18:01.000 It's going to scare you. 1.00

00:18:02.000 You drive to San Diego down the coast and you see them and you're like, oh Jesus, that's a fucking nuclear power plant right there. 1.00

00:18:10.000 That fucker could go bad too. 1.00

00:18:12.000 All they have to do is get hit. 1.00

00:18:13.000 With the wrong natural disasters.

00:18:15.000 Well, I think the one in Fukushima, though, needed to be updated, right?

00:18:18.000 It was like an old system.

00:18:19.000 Like, they didn't have the right amount of backup and redundancy as far as the generators and stuff.

00:18:24.000 They had a lot of reports on it prior to it and didn't do anything about it.

00:18:30.000 So now it's a situation where the government just doesn't have enough money to fix everything?

00:18:34.000 Yeah, there's too much...

00:18:36.000 Well, see, the thing is they have a 20-kilometer radius now that is an exclusion zone where people can't go in and out because of the radiation, but...

00:18:45.000 In actuality, it's supposed to be 30. Because when I went in there with my Geiger counter, I found hotspots higher than 10 kilometers from the plant and 30 kilometers.

00:18:58.000 One day they said they won't do that because they can't displace that much more people.

00:19:03.000 They can't afford it.

00:19:04.000 And I'm like, so you're gonna let people live in radiation?

00:19:06.000 It's kind of crazy sometimes. 0.99

00:19:08.000 And they're having weird birth defects with like rabbits and shit or born with no ears? 0.99

00:19:12.000 Yeah, which is to humans gonna happen in the next, what, eight, seven, eight years, right? 0.99

00:19:17.000 Is that what it is?

00:19:18.000 They say about ten years before you start releasing defects to it.

00:19:21.000 Oh, wow.

00:19:22.000 Yeah.

00:19:23.000 Yeah, it's a real wake-up call for people.

00:19:25.000 And, you know, there's not a whole lot of options as far as, like, how to generate power.

00:19:30.000 Nuclear power, when you get to large cities, is one of the most effective ways to generate power.

00:19:35.000 Yeah, like people protesting to shut them down, man.

00:19:37.000 What's going to happen if you shut them down?

00:19:39.000 Yeah.

00:19:39.000 Well, I think there's a way that if they have...

00:19:43.000 Like a plan to shut them down, there's a way to maintain it. 0.99

00:19:47.000 I'm talking completely out of my ass, by the way. 0.99

00:19:49.000 From what I've read, they can do it much better than if it just shuts down because of a natural disaster and they can't plan for it. 0.99

00:19:57.000 Which is the situation they're in now.

00:19:59.000 You know what's crazy is L.A. Because it's never rainy here.

00:20:03.000 But there's no solar anything.

00:20:05.000 Like, you talk about not using a resource. 0.98

00:20:07.000 Every fucking building in L.A. should be covered in solar panels. 0.98

00:20:11.000 They should get all their electricity from the sun. 0.99

00:20:13.000 That's the next big business, I guess, huh?

00:20:15.000 It should be.

00:20:15.000 Someone should bring that in.

00:20:16.000 Because it's all over Hawaii.

00:20:17.000 I'm doing it in my house.

00:20:19.000 My neighbor doesn't have electrical bills anymore.

00:20:22.000 Everything he gets is from the sun.

00:20:24.000 Yeah.

00:20:25.000 He has no electricity.

00:20:25.000 He doesn't pay for electricity at all.

00:20:27.000 Yeah, for the sun, huh?

00:20:28.000 There's some maintenance and apparently the batteries lose a certain amount of effectiveness every year, a very slight amount.

00:20:35.000 And over a course of 10 years, it could come a certain percentage and then it becomes noticeable.

00:20:41.000 Then you just replace the batteries.

00:20:43.000 Yeah, my house in Hawaii, we got like, I think 70% of the roof is covered with them.

00:20:46.000 Really?

00:20:47.000 Yeah.

00:20:48.000 Costs it a lot, but I heard it brings on your electric bill.

00:20:50.000 Yeah, big time.

00:20:52.000 Well, in Hawaii, you could also collect rainwater, too.

00:20:54.000 You know, I know a lot of people that do that.

00:20:56.000 I knew a dude who lived up on Mauna Loa, and he had a whole system set up.

00:21:02.000 He just lived up there.

00:21:03.000 He had solar electricity.

00:21:06.000 He had rainwater that they collected in a bin because it rains up there.

00:21:12.000 If you've been to the Big Island, the Big Island, I'm sure you have, but for folks who haven't, The Big Island has like a bunch of different ecosystems.

00:21:19.000 It's like desert, like arid, dry climate.

00:21:23.000 And then you go to another place. 0.99

00:21:24.000 It's like near Hilo is like a goddamn rainforest. 1.00

00:21:27.000 It's crazy. 0.99

00:21:28.000 It's like a Polynesian tropical rainforest.

00:21:30.000 And that's where this dude lived.

00:21:32.000 And he collected rainwater up there.

00:21:34.000 And that's how he got all of his water and all his electricity just from Mother Earth.

00:21:37.000 Grew all his own food in his garden.

00:21:39.000 Crazy.

00:21:40.000 Just lived up there, you know?

00:21:44.000 That island itself is one of the most magical places on earth.

00:21:49.000 I mean, all the Hawaiian islands are pretty goddamn magical, but the big island itself is just incredible.

00:21:54.000 That's an active volcano.

00:21:56.000 Yeah.

00:21:57.000 It's constantly getting bigger.

00:21:59.000 Yeah.

00:22:00.000 Do you ever fly over?

00:22:01.000 Do the helicopter tour?

00:22:02.000 No, I never did that.

00:22:04.000 I went and saw the observatory, though.

00:22:06.000 Oh, the observatory?

00:22:07.000 Yeah.

00:22:08.000 Yeah.

00:22:09.000 The helicopter tour is pretty dope because you get to see the lava actually pouring into the ocean.

00:22:15.000 Oh, really?

00:22:16.000 Yeah, you see the big island grow.

00:22:18.000 You see it getting bigger, huh?

00:22:19.000 Yeah, you can see it grow.

00:22:21.000 It's wild.

00:22:21.000 It's just all steam.

00:22:23.000 Like, you can see the red lava going into the ocean, and then you see the steam coming off, and you're literally watching the island grow.

00:22:31.000 Oh, wow.

00:22:31.000 Yeah.

00:22:34.000 It's pretty intense.

00:22:35.000 It's pretty cool.

00:22:36.000 And also on the Big Island, they have all these areas where you can see photos of houses that were lost when the lava came down and just wiped out certain towns that were just a little too close.

00:22:45.000 Is it that freaky thing that you have a house and you see the lava coming at about, what, like a mile per hour?

00:22:52.000 Not even, huh?

00:22:53.000 Yeah.

00:22:54.000 And you just can't do nothing about it.

00:22:55.000 Nothing.

00:22:56.000 There's nothing you can do to stop it.

00:22:57.000 Nothing.

00:22:58.000 But just watch.

00:22:59.000 I mean, you think you'd dig a big hole, a ditch, or pour water up, and it'll just harden it, huh?

00:23:06.000 No, there's nothing.

00:23:07.000 There's nothing you can do, man.

00:23:07.000 It'll just slowly...

00:23:09.000 Well, what's amazing is it's so beautiful there, people don't give a shit. 0.98

00:23:13.000 They're like, so what? 0.99

00:23:13.000 We'll rebuild. 0.99

00:23:14.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:23:15.000 It's still better than living on the mainland. 1.00

00:23:18.000 When you lived in Hawaii, did you get island fever?

00:23:21.000 Yeah.

00:23:22.000 What do you mean, when I was away, I missed it?

00:23:24.000 No, no, island fever, like, living there, where you, like, it's too small, like, you feel like you gotta get to it.

00:23:28.000 No, I never did.

00:23:29.000 No?

00:23:29.000 I love the ocean, that's why, so, a lot of diving, did a lot of surfing, and I was good.

00:23:34.000 I missed it whenever I went away, though.

00:23:36.000 Isn't your brother's, like, some crazy free diving champion, right, where he can hold his breath for, like, seven minutes?

00:23:41.000 Used to be.

00:23:41.000 He's a surfer now.

00:23:42.000 How long can he hold his breath for?

00:23:44.000 I don't know.

00:23:44.000 He used to go on deep, though.

00:23:45.000 He used to go into deep blue.

00:23:47.000 That was beyond, that was after my time.

00:23:49.000 We used to just free dive, night dive, but That thing about going down 100 feet and that kind of stuff is crazy.

00:23:57.000 Yeah, he had a ridiculous ability to hold his breath.

00:24:00.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:01.000 If a lot of people don't know, your brother was a badass mixed martial arts fighter too.

00:24:04.000 He's done a lot of stuff, man.

00:24:06.000 Yeah.

00:24:06.000 Racquetball champion, right?

00:24:08.000 Whatever he does, he does good, yeah.

00:24:09.000 Racquetball champ, he did jiu-jitsu, did MMA. He was going to go into dentistry.

00:24:15.000 He had his massage license.

00:24:18.000 Wow.

00:24:19.000 He was a pharmacist, a pharmaceutical rep for Merck.

00:24:22.000 Wow.

00:24:23.000 Yeah, I know.

00:24:24.000 What's he doing now?

00:24:25.000 He's doing a boot camp now.

00:24:29.000 Oh, like a boot camp training thing?

00:24:30.000 Yeah, he's like every day, man.

00:24:32.000 He's up at five in the morning teaching classes.

00:24:34.000 Wow.

00:24:34.000 In Hawaii?

00:24:35.000 Yeah.

00:24:36.000 In Honolulu?

00:24:38.000 In Honolulu, yeah.

00:24:39.000 Oh, nice.

00:24:39.000 Right in town.

00:24:40.000 I think he has three or four locations now.

00:24:44.000 And the most crowded class they have is 5 o'clock.

00:24:47.000 Can you believe that?

00:24:48.000 5 a.m.?

00:24:49.000 5 a.m.

00:24:49.000 Well, people who want to get fit before they go to work, I guess.

00:24:52.000 I guess, yeah. 1.00

00:24:53.000 Fuck it, man. 1.00

00:24:54.000 You know, if you get used to doing that, I've been doing that over the last couple months. 1.00

00:24:57.000 I get up in the morning, first thing I do is work out.

00:24:59.000 I never used to do that.

00:25:00.000 I used to eat breakfast and lay around.

00:25:02.000 But now I force myself to work out first thing in the morning.

00:25:04.000 It makes the whole day a different experience.

00:25:06.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:07.000 You know, get that out of the way. 0.82

00:25:08.000 It's good to get that in, yeah.

00:25:09.000 How much are you training these days?

00:25:11.000 Not much.

00:25:12.000 When I go there, I try to do boot camp.

00:25:16.000 I'm at Shiroki and Ala Moana doing bracelets like 12 hours a day.

00:25:20.000 So I don't want to go to boot camp and get a little tired in the day and have to be working.

00:25:25.000 These bracelets that you're wearing right now, you sent me some and I gave them to my daughters.

00:25:30.000 They love them.

00:25:31.000 Thank you very much for that.

00:25:33.000 What is the significance behind these bracelets?

00:25:36.000 Well in Japan they believe that the bracelets protect you.

00:25:39.000 So if a bracelet breaks, it's actually a good thing because it's taking something that was supposed to come to you.

00:25:45.000 And that's the main reason why I started wearing them and was interested in them.

00:25:49.000 And later on down the line, someone told me, you know, there's power stones.

00:25:54.000 They're real gems.

00:25:55.000 And I'm like, what do you mean?

00:25:56.000 There's crystals.

00:25:57.000 I know crystals.

00:25:58.000 Okay, cool.

00:25:58.000 But what do you mean?

00:25:59.000 What are the gems?

00:26:00.000 And they told me, you know, the onyx, they have the citrine.

00:26:03.000 There's all different properties for different things.

00:26:05.000 And I'm like, really?

00:26:07.000 And it's crazy because there's one for every ailment.

00:26:11.000 There's one for depression.

00:26:12.000 There's one for diabetes.

00:26:14.000 And for me, I make the bracelets.

00:26:18.000 I'm not a stone expert.

00:26:19.000 And I love the bracelets.

00:26:21.000 And when I started making them for color, I realized I was using different stones.

00:26:26.000 And then we started reading up on that.

00:26:29.000 And now it's like sometimes you've got people coming in to make a bracelet for arthritis.

00:26:33.000 And I'm the one making the bracelets.

00:26:35.000 But I'm not a stone expert.

00:26:37.000 And I'm not this guru that's pushing power stones.

00:26:39.000 I'm pushing bracelets.

00:26:40.000 And it just happens to be power stones.

00:26:42.000 And so they want to line up for arthritis.

00:26:44.000 So I get out my, you know, little book.

00:26:46.000 And okay, arthritis stones.

00:26:47.000 Okay, calcite.

00:26:48.000 I line up the calcite.

00:26:49.000 Get a good look.

00:26:50.000 And something nice and something that's for their ailment.

00:26:53.000 And two days later, and this happened numerous times.

00:26:56.000 They'll walk in and say, you know...

00:26:58.000 My hands aren't tight when I wake up in the morning.

00:27:01.000 Do you believe that, though?

00:27:02.000 Yeah, see, the thing is, I'm supposed to be like...

00:27:04.000 Like a placebo effect?

00:27:05.000 Well, I'm supposed to be like, yeah, I know.

00:27:07.000 But then, for me, it's still new to me, so I'm like, no way, really! 0.99

00:27:11.000 I'm super skeptical at this point in my life because I've just seen so much bullshit. 0.84

00:27:16.000 But I think that if you tell someone that a rock can help some part of their life, then it actually can. 0.90

00:27:23.000 The placebo effect is real, and I don't understand it, but you can give people sugar pills and tell them that it's medicine, and their body, thinking that it's medicine, starts to relax and concentrate on healing.

00:27:37.000 Up here, huh?

00:27:37.000 Yeah, a lot of it is just people were...

00:27:40.000 I think there's a lot of ailments that fall upon people because of stress and because they're imbalanced, and they can be somewhat alleviated by placebos.

00:27:49.000 We just don't understand how the mind works.

00:27:51.000 What frequency are you tuning into when you're taking in a placebo that you think is medicine that allows you to get better?

00:27:58.000 We don't know.

00:27:59.000 We have no idea, but we do know that it's a real effect.

00:28:02.000 Yeah, it does.

00:28:02.000 Yeah, that's pretty cool, huh?

00:28:03.000 So that's probably what it is. 0.98

00:28:05.000 I don't think that a rock can cure diabetes, but what the fuck do I know? 0.97

00:28:09.000 I don't know, you know? 0.97

00:28:10.000 I don't know that either, but it works, man.

00:28:13.000 Might be that placebo thing, yeah?

00:28:14.000 It's gotta be.

00:28:15.000 Whatever it is, man, it's working.

00:28:17.000 I think.

00:28:17.000 Well, do you remember when everybody was wearing those hologram wrist bracelets, those rubber ones?

00:28:21.000 Yeah.

00:28:22.000 Like, a lot of athletes were wearing them.

00:28:23.000 The balance ones, yeah. 0.99

00:28:24.000 Yeah, they got sued for, like, a hundred million bucks, and it's all bullshit. 1.00

00:28:28.000 It's a hundred percent bullshit. 1.00

00:28:29.000 But, I swear to God, people were telling me that it worked. 1.00

00:28:32.000 Like, real athletes, like Shane Carwin.

00:28:35.000 Shane Carwin was telling me, he's like, dude, I'm telling you, I put this thing on and it changed my life.

00:28:40.000 And I was like, really?

00:28:41.000 It's a placebo must be, huh?

00:28:42.000 100%.

00:28:43.000 It's 100% placebo.

00:28:44.000 Yeah.

00:28:46.000 But, placebo, somehow, it's real. 0.77

00:28:49.000 It's like, there's this dude that I know who's a chiropractor who does this shit called zone healing. 1.00

00:28:55.000 And it's a weird shit. 0.98

00:28:56.000 They press down on certain parts of your back and claims it can help digestion and help all sorts of areas of your body. 0.99

00:29:04.000 But when you press him about it, like, how does this stuff work?

00:29:06.000 How does it work?

00:29:07.000 It's essentially he's providing you an avenue for the placebo effect to work.

00:29:12.000 By telling you that this is helping you in certain areas, it actually can help people in certain areas.

00:29:18.000 So you've got to believe it, yeah. 0.99

00:29:19.000 But if you're smart enough, you know it's bullshit, then you can't believe it. 0.99

00:29:23.000 So you're robbed of the placebo effect by being too smart. 1.00

00:29:27.000 It's fucked. 1.00

00:29:29.000 It's weird, right? 1.00

00:29:31.000 It's almost like you can be too smart for your own good.

00:29:35.000 In that situation, it's not good to be too smart.

00:29:37.000 In that situation.

00:29:40.000 I had a conversation with someone once when it came to religion and fighting.

00:29:44.000 And they were like, why are so many fighters religious?

00:29:47.000 And I said, well, it's probably the same reason why so many people at war are religious.

00:29:52.000 There's that old expression, there's no atheists in a foxhole.

00:29:55.000 It's like when you need to believe in something, a lot of times people fall on religion and that it can help.

00:30:03.000 Like there's people that have a real true belief in God and that true belief in God does benefit them substantially.

00:30:12.000 It's real.

00:30:13.000 The effect of that belief is real.

00:30:16.000 And it doesn't necessarily mean that what they believe in is real, but the fact that they believe in it and they give themselves to it can actually benefit them, so it becomes real.

00:30:28.000 Yeah, it does.

00:30:29.000 No, it does.

00:30:30.000 I've seen people like that where, you know...

00:30:33.000 It's God's will.

00:30:34.000 And they accept things easier because of that.

00:30:36.000 It's actually beneficial for a lot of people.

00:30:39.000 It's very beneficial. 0.99

00:30:40.000 And in a sense, sometimes being an atheist or being someone who just doubts everything can kind of fuck you. 0.99

00:30:48.000 You know? 0.98

00:30:50.000 Because I've always said, like, I wish that someone could come along with a cult that I truly believed in.

00:30:55.000 Like, something that's really good. 0.99

00:30:57.000 Really well, like, I can just not think about all this shit. 0.97

00:31:00.000 You guys got it all explained out? 0.98

00:31:02.000 Alright, good.

00:31:03.000 And just, let me look at it a little bit.

00:31:05.000 Alright, seems like you got your bases covered.

00:31:07.000 Now I don't have to think about these things. 0.94

00:31:09.000 Well, as much as being an atheist can screw you, being too religious can also do. 0.96

00:31:15.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:31:16.000 Well, especially if you're too religious in a hypocritical sort of a way, which is a lot of times people, they pick and choose what they believe in when it comes to religion.

00:31:27.000 There's a lot of Christians that are angry people. 1.00

00:31:30.000 They're angry about people that are non-Christians or angry about people that don't follow aspects of the Bible that they believe in.

00:31:39.000 It gets kind of squirrely.

00:31:43.000 But the nature of it, I think, I think the nature of all religions, the best aspects of all religions that aren't tainted by man, Are the lessons that people learn over a life of trial and error and wisdom and sharing ideas and you kind of learn that to be a good person you have to do good things and to be a happy person you have to help others and you know when you treat each other like they're your brothers and sisters out there in the world you truly have a better life and you live We're

00:32:16.000 good to go.

00:32:19.000 We're good to go.

00:32:28.000 Kind of like does charity because it's a public thing and it makes you look good.

00:32:33.000 Like you feel very dedicated to these causes and it's very admirable because you go out there and you risk your health and safety.

00:32:40.000 You go to...

00:32:41.000 I've seen the photos that you put up online, man. 1.00

00:32:44.000 You were in the fucking hot zone. 0.98

00:32:45.000 Yeah, we went up there three times, yeah. 0.99

00:32:47.000 What is that like?

00:32:49.000 It's like this, man.

00:32:51.000 It doesn't feel like anything.

00:32:52.000 No, there's nothing.

00:32:53.000 You can't feel nothing.

00:32:55.000 You don't get hot.

00:32:56.000 You don't feel...

00:32:57.000 Itchy.

00:32:58.000 There's nothing, man.

00:32:59.000 Radiation's a scary thing, man.

00:33:02.000 And all you see is the guy you're counting on going up on the count and it's like...

00:33:05.000 That just scares you just watching that thing go up, yeah.

00:33:09.000 What is like a normal radiation level?

00:33:12.000 Well, when I went into Fukushima, the most I got in one time was 25,000 microsieverts.

00:33:19.000 So as far as to put into relation, 65,000 microsieverts within a year would change your blood chemistry.

00:33:27.000 Whoa.

00:33:28.000 Yeah.

00:33:29.000 So I got 25,000.

00:33:31.000 I think I got a little more after that, but nothing...

00:33:34.000 I kind of stopped at about halfway.

00:33:36.000 Just to be safe.

00:33:37.000 They say that you're supposed to take iodine?

00:33:40.000 Iodine tablets.

00:33:41.000 What is iodine?

00:33:42.000 Iodine tablets helps to counteract it, but it's mostly for thyroid cancer, which is one of the most common cancers.

00:33:49.000 Oh, so it just works on a thyroid.

00:33:51.000 Yeah, and...

00:33:53.000 There's all kinds of stuff.

00:33:55.000 They say to eat seaweed, you know, seaweed's good.

00:33:57.000 Seaweed's strong in iodine, right?

00:33:58.000 Yeah, seaweed helps with the radiation.

00:34:01.000 What if you get seaweed that's contaminated with radiation? 0.99

00:34:03.000 What a mindfuck that is. 1.00

00:34:04.000 Then you're fucked. 1.00

00:34:06.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:34:06.000 Yeah, they said that they've started catching tuna that show a 3% increase in radiation, and everybody started freaking out, but they say that that's still negligible. 1.00

00:34:16.000 Still very small now.

00:34:17.000 You know, the thing that I always wonder now is, since Fukushima, everyone's been testing everything now.

00:34:21.000 Mm-hmm.

00:34:23.000 Have they been doing that before?

00:34:26.000 Before Fukushima, have they caught a tuna and tested for radiation?

00:34:29.000 I don't think they've done that.

00:34:30.000 I think they probably must have, otherwise they wouldn't have a base level to compare it to.

00:34:35.000 Oh, I see, I see.

00:34:36.000 But I read a thing recently about Grand Central Station in New York City is radioactive because it's made out of granite.

00:34:44.000 And granite has natural radioactive properties.

00:34:47.000 So in actuality, when you're walking through Grand Central Station, it is more radioactive than is required for a nuclear power plant to be below.

00:34:57.000 Like nuclear power plants have, like when you're working at a power plant, it has to be below a certain amount of radiation.

00:35:02.000 Grand Central Station is higher than that.

00:35:04.000 Just because of natural granite. 0.99

00:35:07.000 That's fucking crazy. 0.99

00:35:08.000 That's what people don't understand. 0.99

00:35:08.000 There's radiation all over. 0.99

00:35:10.000 Yeah.

00:35:11.000 Once I went into Fukushima, when the winds were blowing the right direction for me, I got 16 microsieverts.

00:35:16.000 I flew on a plane, went round trip to New York, I got 19. I had the same Geiger Corner.

00:35:23.000 So it's like, you're riding a plane, you're getting...

00:35:28.000 Radiation.

00:35:28.000 No matter what.

00:35:29.000 You walk on the cement outside going to the car and the radiation bouncing off the concrete.

00:35:33.000 Yeah.

00:35:34.000 You're getting radiation.

00:35:35.000 We're getting radiation right now from the computers.

00:35:38.000 I'm freaking out. 1.00

00:35:38.000 Shit. 1.00

00:35:38.000 Yeah, well, that's what they say about cell phones, right? 1.00

00:35:41.000 Like that we're going to see a bunch of people that have brain tumors later on because they're holding phones up to their ears all the time.

00:35:46.000 So, you know, it's something that's really misunderstood right now, yeah.

00:35:50.000 The plane thing is a big one.

00:35:51.000 Yeah, planes.

00:35:52.000 I think it's high risk.

00:35:53.000 You've got to be a flight attendant.

00:35:54.000 A lot of flight attendants can't work too long. 0.79

00:35:57.000 Yeah, it's like getting...

00:35:59.000 Apparently, a round-trip flight is like getting a bunch of x-rays.

00:36:03.000 Yeah, just x-rays.

00:36:05.000 We talked about it before.

00:36:06.000 I tried to figure out what the actual number was. 1.00

00:36:09.000 When you get an x-ray, when you go to the dentist, that chick hits that button from behind a fucking concrete blast barrier. 1.00

00:36:15.000 They go ahead and hide. 0.99

00:36:18.000 They cover you with lead, and then they run out of the room and hit that button and then come back in.

00:36:23.000 But meanwhile, you're getting that same kind of exposure every time you get on a flight.

00:36:27.000 Fly to London, fly to Japan. 0.88

00:36:29.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:30.000 Yeah, but flight attendants, I don't hear about them getting sick all the time. 0.97

00:36:34.000 Well, my friend that's a flight attendant told me there's a lot of them.

00:36:37.000 They get cancer?

00:36:38.000 Yeah.

00:36:39.000 Man, what kind of cancer?

00:36:41.000 I don't know.

00:36:42.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:36:42.000 I wonder if there's some, like, if the iodine thing protects you from thyroid cancer, if there's other shit that protects you from other cancers. 0.93

00:36:48.000 It probably is, but we don't know about it yet, huh?

00:36:50.000 It's probably antioxidants, green leafy vegetables, things like that.

00:36:55.000 I mean, isn't that what...

00:36:56.000 I don't truly, totally understand the process of evolution, but from what I understand, a lot of it is from random mutations that are caused by radiation.

00:37:04.000 Oh, really?

00:37:05.000 Yeah, those random mutations that prove to be advantageous, those are the ones that are kept, you know?

00:37:12.000 Can't you just get off a plane?

00:37:14.000 Yes, I did. 1.00

00:37:15.000 Maybe that's why I'm so stupid today. 0.99

00:37:17.000 That's why I can't talk so good. 0.99

00:37:19.000 Yeah, there's certain days, you wonder.

00:37:22.000 But rocks, granite, like a lot of different things just give off natural radiation.

00:37:29.000 What are they going to do to try to contain that area?

00:37:34.000 Do they have a long term?

00:37:36.000 No.

00:37:37.000 I have a friend up in Fukushima that's actually trying to...

00:37:41.000 He has a machine that will actually melt down radiation off glass, out of water.

00:37:46.000 And it's in the testing stage right now.

00:37:48.000 Almost in the final testing stage.

00:37:50.000 So if that can get accepted, it's going to be a big thing.

00:37:54.000 It can melt down radiation.

00:37:56.000 Yeah, the heat goes so high.

00:37:59.000 That it can melt down, melt it down.

00:38:01.000 Off water, off glass.

00:38:03.000 Whoa.

00:38:04.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:38:04.000 So it takes glass that's radioactive and it melts it down.

00:38:08.000 But where does the radiation go?

00:38:09.000 Then it goes...

00:38:10.000 Yeah, I know. 1.00

00:38:10.000 I'm too stupid to have this conversation. 1.00

00:38:11.000 And then even like the problem in Fukushima is like the cow shit. 1.00

00:38:15.000 Oh, Jesus. 0.99

00:38:16.000 Yeah, so they have tons of that and that it can melt that down and then it turns it into like drywall.

00:38:21.000 So you can actually use... 0.99

00:38:22.000 The cow shit is radioactive? 1.00

00:38:24.000 Yeah, there's great amounts of cow shit. 1.00

00:38:26.000 They have tons of them. 1.00

00:38:27.000 They don't know what to do with it.

00:38:28.000 What? 1.00

00:38:30.000 Radioactive cow shit that you could turn into drywall. 1.00

00:38:33.000 Wow, people are weird. 1.00

00:38:35.000 What a weird world we live in.

00:38:36.000 I know there was some kid who had figured out some sort of a way to take radioactive waste and to reprocess it and turn it into fuel again.

00:38:46.000 Wow.

00:38:47.000 Yeah, because most radioactive waste, you know, they have to store it in the ground.

00:38:51.000 Like, there's places in Nevada where they have these...

00:38:54.000 Did you see Godzilla?

00:38:55.000 The new Godzilla?

00:38:55.000 No, I didn't.

00:38:57.000 It's okay. 1.00

00:38:58.000 It's kind of stupid. 0.99

00:39:00.000 But one of the things is the monsters go after the radioactive waste that's stored near Las Vegas, like way out deep in the desert. 0.99

00:39:07.000 Apparently they have these vaults where they take radioactive waste from nuclear power plants and they bury it deep into the ground.

00:39:14.000 The monsters went after that because they eat radiation.

00:39:16.000 Oh, wow. 1.00

00:39:17.000 Pretty fucking stupid. 1.00

00:39:19.000 But this kid who has invented this process believes that in the future that they'll be able to take all of this radioactive quote-unquote waste and that it's not waste. 1.00

00:39:31.000 It's just that they don't completely understand the process of converting it back to fuel yet.

00:39:34.000 But once that process is understood, there will be no radioactive waste anymore.

00:39:38.000 They'll be able to convert that back to fuel.

00:39:41.000 Wow.

00:39:42.000 Yeah, pretty interesting, right? 1.00

00:39:43.000 Yeah, crazy shit going on there. 1.00

00:39:45.000 Well, that's the interesting thing about when we fuck up. 1.00

00:39:47.000 Because when human beings fucked up, we've fucked up so many different things. 0.99

00:39:51.000 But when we fuck up, our backs get pushed against the wall, and then we're forced to innovate. 0.99

00:39:55.000 Like, there's a 19-year-old kid who figured out a machine that can take the plastic out of that Pacific garbage patch. 0.99

00:40:02.000 You know about that garbage patch that's in the ocean?

00:40:04.000 Do you know about all that?

00:40:05.000 No, no.

00:40:05.000 Oh, that's a crazy thing.

00:40:07.000 There's an area in the ocean, enormous area, bigger than the size of Texas.

00:40:12.000 That is all plastic from the world, from all over the countries of the world, people that have littered, things that have fallen off of boats, things that have got picked up from the beach, and they've all swirled.

00:40:23.000 Because, you know, there's currents in the ocean, and these currents create these paths, and inside, yeah, inside these paths, in these areas where all this stuff is sort of congealed and congested, those aren't the right words, but...

00:40:39.000 It's formed this floating patch of garbage. 0.94

00:40:43.000 And it's really fucked up because it's in the water. 0.99

00:40:46.000 There's an image of it. 0.98

00:40:47.000 But they've done all these...

00:40:51.000 Missions to go out and try to figure out how big it exactly is.

00:40:55.000 The problem is a lot of it is suspended underneath the water and it's being broken down slowly by the water.

00:41:01.000 So fish are eating it, ingesting it and getting sick. 0.99

00:41:04.000 Birds are taking the plastic back and feeding it to their children, to their babies, because the birds don't understand what the fuck it is. 0.99

00:41:11.000 So there's islands that they find where these birds, these baby birds are dead and their stomachs are filled with plastic bits that their mothers have given them because their mothers don't know what the fuck they are. 0.99

00:41:22.000 Their mothers think that it's fish or food or something like that. 0.94

00:41:25.000 Wow.

00:41:26.000 Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

00:41:27.000 So this kid has figured out a way to take this gigantic, this machine, it skims the ocean, and it's going to suck all the plastic out of the ocean and clean the whole thing.

00:41:38.000 Whoa.

00:41:39.000 Yeah, incredible.

00:41:40.000 A 19-year-old kid.

00:41:40.000 Yeah.

00:41:41.000 And then they've also said, well, you know, hey, we've got all these problems with the ocean, and there's these dead zones, there's lack of oxygen and pollution in the ocean.

00:41:50.000 They've figured out a way to throw iron, to take iron scrap into And pour it into the ocean.

00:41:55.000 And that iron scrap will create algae and create different environments for fish to live in.

00:42:02.000 And it'll re-oxygenate the water.

00:42:04.000 Wow.

00:42:05.000 Yeah, so it's weird.

00:42:06.000 Like, when people get their back pushed up beyond both of us.

00:42:09.000 I shouldn't even be allowed to talk about it. 1.00

00:42:11.000 I'm too fucking stupid to explain it correctly. 0.99

00:42:14.000 But it's fascinating. 1.00

00:42:16.000 There's this kid.

00:42:16.000 He invented this giant ocean garbage patch skimmer.

00:42:20.000 And that's this machine that he's invented.

00:42:23.000 I believe he's only 19 too.

00:42:25.000 But within a few years time, he did a TED talk on it, within a few years time they're going to be able to clean up that patch if this invention pans out.

00:42:34.000 Yeah, that's the weird thing about people. 0.98

00:42:36.000 We fuck everything up, but when we fuck everything up, someone smarter comes along and goes, okay, okay, okay, let's figure this shit out. 0.98

00:42:42.000 It's amazing what some people have invented, huh? 0.99

00:42:43.000 It's amazing.

00:42:44.000 What we're doing right now.

00:42:45.000 Glad everyone's not like us, man.

00:42:47.000 It's still primitive days, man.

00:42:50.000 Caveman days yet.

00:42:51.000 Well, I'm glad there's people like us too, though.

00:42:54.000 That's the yin and the yang, right?

00:42:55.000 That's the great balance of life.

00:42:57.000 Can't all be eggheads.

00:42:58.000 There has to be all sorts of different people to make this world so interesting.

00:43:02.000 But yeah, if it was just up to you and me, I don't think there would be an internet.

00:43:05.000 We wouldn't really be having a podcast.

00:43:08.000 It's true. 0.99

00:43:09.000 Who the fuck knows how this works? 0.99

00:43:10.000 How does this microphone work? 0.99

00:43:11.000 I have no clue.

00:43:13.000 I rely on these.

00:43:14.000 I have no idea how they work.

00:43:15.000 True.

00:43:16.000 I don't have a clue. 0.98

00:43:17.000 I couldn't even draw you a fucking, like a crude schematic of what's inside of a microphone. 1.00

00:43:23.000 I don't shit. 1.00

00:43:24.000 You know? 0.99

00:43:24.000 But it's important. 0.99

00:43:26.000 Yeah.

00:43:27.000 That's the beauty of being human is that we all sort of contribute in one sort of a way.

00:43:32.000 We're all like one piece together.

00:43:35.000 Of a gigantic organism that's kind of doing all these things.

00:43:38.000 And occasionally, part of the organism fucks up.

00:43:40.000 Like, oh, we didn't have a backup on a power plant. 1.00

00:43:43.000 Shit. 1.00

00:43:43.000 And then the world has to sort of scramble. 1.00

00:43:46.000 And right now, I'm sure there's people far more intelligent than you or I. And they're trying to figure out a way to fix things like Fukushima.

00:43:54.000 Yeah, I bet there's a lot of them.

00:43:56.000 You got to.

00:43:57.000 Yeah, I got to.

00:43:59.000 That thing that they're doing with the ice is pretty crazy.

00:44:02.000 These giant pipes in the ground and they're trying to freeze the ground to turn it into a giant containment wall.

00:44:10.000 Like a big pool.

00:44:12.000 A huge swimming pool filled with radioactive waste.

00:44:15.000 Unreal, huh? 1.00

00:44:16.000 Fucked! 0.99

00:44:17.000 I mean, isn't there a better way to do it? 1.00

00:44:19.000 It sounds so ridiculous. 0.99

00:44:20.000 It sounds like something a little kid would invent. 0.99

00:44:24.000 But I don't think there is.

00:44:26.000 Is the government of Japan, do they have a financial problem right now?

00:44:30.000 I don't know, man, but they're just not reimbursing the people.

00:44:34.000 They're not helping the people.

00:44:36.000 If you're gonna take a land and a house away, From a family who's worked hard to work for it all their lives because a company that's run by the government, which is TEPCO, the nuclear plant,

00:44:51.000 is run by the government.

00:44:53.000 If your plant is going to fuck up, you're going to take responsibility and relocate them to an equal amount of things that they had instead of putting them in a little box. 0.97

00:45:04.000 How much money would that cost? 0.97

00:45:05.000 How many people are being misplaced?

00:45:06.000 Yeah, over 100,000 of them.

00:45:08.000 So that's why they can't afford it.

00:45:10.000 Over $100,000, and you'd have to spend at least $100,000 probably on each one of them.

00:45:15.000 Yeah.

00:45:15.000 Well, a lot of them were helped out by Red Cross.

00:45:19.000 Oh, yeah?

00:45:19.000 Yeah, so...

00:45:21.000 What are the governments doing here? 1.00

00:45:23.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:45:23.000 Well, you figure the government didn't tell the people what was really happening with the radiation. 1.00

00:45:28.000 Well, that was one of the few times, I think, that I can recall where I talked to...

00:45:32.000 You know, Japanese people are very orderly and very polite.

00:45:37.000 It's a very different society.

00:45:38.000 But when I was in Japan, what was fascinating, because it was only about a year after the Fukushima incident, and I was talking to this guy, and he was very reluctant to talk negatively about the government.

00:45:52.000 But he was trying to hedge his words.

00:45:54.000 And basically he said was, I don't think they've been entirely honest.

00:45:59.000 That's the worst he could have said.

00:46:01.000 Yes.

00:46:02.000 He didn't want to say anything different.

00:46:04.000 The Japanese culture, for Americans, everybody in America wants a pill to lose weight.

00:46:10.000 They want a quick fix for everything.

00:46:12.000 I don't think they totally understand the Japanese culture.

00:46:16.000 Did you see the documentary Jiro Dreams of Sushi?

00:46:20.000 No.

00:46:20.000 It's fascinating.

00:46:22.000 Fascinating documentary.

00:46:23.000 It's about this guy who has a small sushi place in a Tokyo subway.

00:46:28.000 And this small sushi place he's been working at for decades.

00:46:32.000 And he works 16 hours a day, every day.

00:46:36.000 And will work for years and years just to develop this one dish.

00:46:41.000 And has all these apprentices, and has this one apprentice.

00:46:43.000 The guy was working for years on this particular egg dish, and then finally he got it right.

00:46:48.000 The guy said, you got it right, finally.

00:46:50.000 And the guy was crying. 1.00

00:46:51.000 Because, some fucking egg dish! 1.00

00:46:53.000 Whoa. 1.00

00:46:54.000 Some egg dish.

00:46:55.000 This is, uh...

00:46:56.000 That's Jiro.

00:46:57.000 It's an interesting documentary.

00:46:59.000 Apparently it has the best sushi in Japan.

00:47:02.000 It's incredible.

00:47:03.000 Delicious sushi.

00:47:04.000 And it's like a 10-seat restaurant.

00:47:07.000 Really, yeah?

00:47:07.000 Yeah.

00:47:08.000 And before the documentary came out, it was booked for months in advance.

00:47:12.000 But now the documentary's out.

00:47:13.000 Who knows?

00:47:14.000 I mean, it might be impossible to get in there.

00:47:16.000 Really, yeah?

00:47:16.000 But because of the fact that he keeps the place so small and he doesn't have that many people working for him, he's not really concerned with...

00:47:24.000 Branching out.

00:47:25.000 If he was an American, they'd be like, we're going to sell our brand. 1.00

00:47:28.000 Our business is our brand, and what we're going to do now is we're going to spread out of the malls all across America.

00:47:32.000 Gero dreams of sushi stores.

00:47:34.000 Nope.

00:47:35.000 This guy has one place, and he's humble.

00:47:38.000 He is hardworking. 0.99

00:47:40.000 He's fucking 80 years old. 0.99

00:47:41.000 He had to quit smoking cigarettes because he had a heart attack, but healed back up, stopped smoking cigarettes, jumped right back in, still working 16 hours a day. 0.99

00:47:49.000 Wow.

00:47:50.000 That's neat.

00:47:51.000 I should check that out.

00:47:52.000 It's admirable, right?

00:47:54.000 Yeah, it is.

00:47:56.000 That's the sushi place.

00:47:57.000 Tiny little place, man.

00:47:58.000 But isn't that sort of indicative about the differences between Japanese culture and American culture?

00:48:03.000 There's a lot of differences, yeah.

00:48:05.000 Extreme differences.

00:48:06.000 In the way of thinking, in the way of doing things, yeah.

00:48:09.000 Well, that's where you're known for...

00:48:14.000 Not just being one of the pioneers of MMA, but you're known for that expression, Yamato Damashi, that you've always promoted that ideal, this samurai spirit and this spirit of Japan,

00:48:32.000 this way of doing things wholeheartedly, and you've talked openly that you freely give yourself, like when you would go to fight, you would be ready to die.

00:48:43.000 Yes.

00:48:45.000 And not just saying that.

00:48:47.000 You'd really reconciled it in your mind.

00:48:49.000 You would say goodbye to your friends, say goodbye to your family before a fight.

00:48:52.000 I wrote letters.

00:48:54.000 I wrote letters to people that I wanted to say goodbye to in every fight. 1.00

00:49:00.000 That's some deep shit, dude. 0.99

00:49:01.000 The thing too is fighting to die, planning to die, you're going to train with the will to die too. 1.00

00:49:11.000 So you can imagine how much good training I got.

00:49:14.000 I mean, I'm training every day before the fight so I won't die in the fight.

00:49:21.000 I'm planning.

00:49:22.000 I'm okay.

00:49:22.000 I'm accepting the fact that I might die there.

00:49:25.000 But I know that the better I can be is the less chance of me dying in the ring.

00:49:31.000 So, you know, I'm not going to get up in the morning because I'm sore.

00:49:34.000 I'm not going to miss training because I'm tired or I'm lazy because It might be the difference in me living and dying in the ring.

00:49:43.000 So, you know, it helped me out a lot in the training aspect and, you know, the dieting.

00:49:48.000 I mean, I want to drink a Coke, but I'm trying to eat only good things before my fight, and it's a lot easier to do that when you're to that level.

00:49:57.000 It can't hurt you, you know.

00:49:59.000 To plan to die in the ring, to believe that and to train and to walk that life for that three months while training for the fight, it can't hurt you.

00:50:07.000 Is it difficult for you, because you earnestly embraced that thought process, is it difficult for you when you see guys that are kind of dabbling in MMA? They're kind of like half-assing it, not training hard enough.

00:50:21.000 Maybe they have some talent, but they don't really put their will and heart into it.

00:50:25.000 Well, it's a whole new era now, yeah.

00:50:27.000 Because back in the day, we didn't get paid good.

00:50:30.000 We weren't that worried about it.

00:50:33.000 You know, losing a sponsor here.

00:50:35.000 Right.

00:50:35.000 Being cut by the UFC, you know, that kind of stuff didn't, because there was all these little associations, we're fighting for so little bit money.

00:50:42.000 The objective and the whole movement of that era was different, yeah?

00:50:47.000 So, you know, when fighters start getting lazy, you know, or they don't fight as hard, or they tap out a little sooner, you know, I understand that, because it's a whole new era, because you're fighting for a different reason, though.

00:51:00.000 They're fighting for money.

00:51:01.000 They're fighting for living.

00:51:02.000 They're fighting for sponsors.

00:51:03.000 They're fighting to look good.

00:51:04.000 So it's easier when you're fighting for those reasons.

00:51:08.000 I mean, there's only so much money will make you do.

00:51:11.000 But if you're fighting for your honor and you're fighting for your life, it's a whole different level.

00:51:17.000 It's interesting too because in this day and age, it's a real business as well.

00:51:21.000 So it's almost like you have to have a little bit of both.

00:51:24.000 To be the elite of the elite, you almost have to have the attitude that you had.

00:51:28.000 But in order to maximize your profits, you have to kind of think about it in a different way.

00:51:34.000 And you have to avoid certain fights or pick and choose your opponents.

00:51:39.000 But then once you have an opponent locked in, it's almost like the best of both worlds seems to be the answer.

00:51:45.000 Well, I think, yeah, you have to have a good balance.

00:51:48.000 Because if you just, like a fighter like me, wouldn't make it today.

00:51:53.000 I mean, I probably wouldn't have that much wins.

00:51:55.000 I probably would have three losses in a row.

00:51:57.000 And I'd probably be losing my job at the UFC. People ask me a lot, you know, are you disappointed at what happened to the fight game?

00:52:09.000 And I always say, you know, a lot of times now in the fight game, where the warrior will start is where the fight ends now.

00:52:17.000 I mean, right where his heart is going to kick in.

00:52:20.000 Right now, okay, this is where we're going to see if this guy has it in his heart or not.

00:52:24.000 That's when the ref stops the fight because it's getting dangerous, you know?

00:52:27.000 Did you see this past weekend's fights?

00:52:29.000 Yeah, I did.

00:52:30.000 Did you see Jason High and Rafael Dos Anjos?

00:52:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:52:33.000 What did you think about that situation?

00:52:35.000 Do you know what happened?

00:52:36.000 Would he push the ref?

00:52:36.000 That should never happen.

00:52:38.000 Should never happen, right?

00:52:38.000 That should never happen.

00:52:39.000 If you don't know what happened, Dos Anjos cracked Jason High, hit him with a real good shot, had him down.

00:52:46.000 I thought it was a premature stoppage.

00:52:48.000 He was getting hit, but he was moving into position.

00:52:52.000 But Dos Anjos did that thing that guys do where they look at the referee.

00:52:55.000 Yeah.

00:52:56.000 They're hitting him and then they look at the referee and they're like, aren't you going to stop that? 0.98

00:52:58.000 And then the referee comes and stops that, which is kind of fucking manipulative. 0.96

00:53:02.000 Guys do that all the time. 0.98

00:53:03.000 That's what's hard about the refereeing job is a split second can change a good stoppage to a shitty stoppage. 0.72

00:53:07.000 Yeah.

00:53:08.000 And if he stopped it like a second earlier when Jason High got dropped and was kind of a little bit out of it after the flurry, it would have been a good stoppage.

00:53:17.000 But he waited and Jason High actually got his posture and started coming up again.

00:53:21.000 Mm-hmm.

00:53:23.000 It's a little premature, but do you think that it's better to be premature than it is to have guys take too many shots?

00:53:31.000 Like, what are your thoughts on that?

00:53:33.000 In the day, today?

00:53:34.000 Yes.

00:53:34.000 Today's MMA? Yes, definitely.

00:53:36.000 Today's MMA. You gotta stop the fights. 0.99

00:53:37.000 Yeah, you can't let the guys getting hurt.

00:53:39.000 But the MMA of your era, pride was such a completely different animal because there was stomps and soccer kicks and the rule system was completely different.

00:53:51.000 It was just a completely different kind of fighting.

00:53:53.000 Well, it depends what you're fighting for.

00:53:54.000 Right now, in the UFC, it's a sport.

00:53:56.000 It's a sport.

00:53:57.000 It's a huge sport now.

00:54:00.000 You can get sponsors.

00:54:01.000 You can make a living with it.

00:54:02.000 It's huge.

00:54:02.000 You're fighting for a sport.

00:54:04.000 And to be a huge sport as it is, you need the media.

00:54:07.000 You need the sponsors.

00:54:08.000 You can't have guys getting hurt.

00:54:09.000 You can't make it too brutal.

00:54:11.000 So in this day and age, yes, you should be more cautious than anything in stopping the fights.

00:54:16.000 I agree with that.

00:54:17.000 But back in the day when you're fighting for honor, no.

00:54:20.000 I mean, if that fight was not televised and you didn't need to worry about sponsors and people getting hurt and suits and everything, In my day, I would prefer the fight not to have stoppages.

00:54:34.000 A perfect example, in my opinion, is Frankie Edgar.

00:54:38.000 Frankie Edgar and Gray Maynard.

00:54:41.000 A lot of referees would have stopped two of those fights in the first round.

00:54:44.000 A lot of referees.

00:54:46.000 But Frankie Edgar came back to have a draw in one of those fights where it looked like Gray Maynard had him out.

00:54:53.000 He was, yeah.

00:54:54.000 We had him out. 0.88

00:54:55.000 I mean, it was ridiculous. 0.52

00:54:56.000 A lot of people would have stopped that fight and waved it off.

00:54:58.000 But Frankie Edgar came back to win the second round and then start winning enough rounds and make it close enough so that it was a draw.

00:55:05.000 And then the second fight, or the fight after that, same thing.

00:55:08.000 He gets tagged and hurt real bad in the first round and then came back to knock Gray Maynard out later in the fight.

00:55:14.000 It's hard.

00:55:16.000 And everybody's different.

00:55:17.000 Some guys can take a shot.

00:55:19.000 Some guys just can't.

00:55:20.000 Some guys get hurt and they never come back.

00:55:22.000 Some guys are known for coming back.

00:55:23.000 You know, the thing I think about that is, you know, if the stoppages weren't so soon, you know how many unbelievable inspirational moments we'd have in fighting?

00:55:32.000 But that's the sacrifice we make for it to be such a big sport now.

00:55:37.000 Yeah, the butt part is a big part.

00:55:40.000 It's a weird thing because there's no absolute correct moment in a fight to call a fight.

00:55:47.000 Like, one person's call, like, the guy's had enough punishment, another referee may disagree.

00:55:52.000 It's so subjective.

00:55:54.000 Yeah, it's a real hard thing.

00:55:56.000 Like, you know, it's...

00:55:58.000 I mean, I wouldn't say I could be the same fighter if I fought today.

00:56:02.000 Now, when you say that, like, when you say that you would have three losses in a row, like, what would be the difference between the way you fought and the way, like, say, modern MMA fighters fight?

00:56:12.000 Well, I don't, I, I'm, for me, the win isn't getting my hand raised yet.

00:56:17.000 The win is hitting the fears that I have head-on and growing as a person.

00:56:27.000 Sometimes it really counteracts each other because for Igor Vovachanchi, when I fought him, the best thing for me to do was to take him down and get on top.

00:56:37.000 But the best thing for me to grow as a man, as a person, is to hit that fearful stage of throwing toe-to-toe with Igor.

00:56:49.000 For folks who don't know, when you were fighting him was one of the most devastating strikers in the sport. 0.68

00:56:54.000 He was a brutal knockout artist, and he was a small guy, but he fucked up Mark Kerr when Mark Kerr was big.

00:57:01.000 Remember, he caught Mark Kerr with a BOMB standing up. 1.00

00:57:04.000 I mean, Igor was only like 5'10", right?

00:57:06.000 He looked like A guy that should have probably been way bigger and longer, but someone like chopped his arms off at the end and put these knots for fists like in the middle of us and he was just this ball of muscle and bone.

00:57:22.000 That guy could crack.

00:57:24.000 Yeah, for me to win the fight and to win the battle In my heart to be a stronger person.

00:57:31.000 It's two different things.

00:57:32.000 So to win the fight was to use your jiu-jitsu.

00:57:35.000 To take him to the ground and try to submit him.

00:57:37.000 But to overcome your fear was to bite down your mouthpiece and just wing.

00:57:41.000 Yes. 1.00

00:57:42.000 And fuck did you ever, man. 1.00

00:57:43.000 That was some crazy shit. 1.00

00:57:45.000 I remember I was watching it at my house with Eddie Bravo. 1.00

00:57:49.000 And we were just screaming. 1.00

00:57:50.000 The whole beginning of that fight was, Oh shit! 1.00

00:57:53.000 Oh shit! 1.00

00:57:54.000 Because you just did exactly what a Greg Jackson would tell you not to do. 1.00

00:57:59.000 Yes.

00:57:59.000 They would say, okay, I want you to avoid his punches.

00:58:03.000 This is what we're going to do. 0.99

00:58:04.000 We're going to kick the legs. 0.94

00:58:05.000 We're going to move around a lot. 0.97

00:58:06.000 When you see the opening, when you see the punches come, you're going to shoot in for the takedown.

00:58:09.000 Yeah.

00:58:10.000 He just went in there, bit down on that mouthpiece, and that was one of the wildest opening exchanges I can remember from the days of pride.

00:58:19.000 Well, you know what's the most ironic thing about that fight is...

00:58:23.000 It was my worst beating that I ever took, but it was the best fight for me.

00:58:28.000 I've learned so much about myself in that fight.

00:58:31.000 I learned about my heart.

00:58:34.000 And that actually solidified that, you know, living the Yamath Laomashi way. 0.97

00:58:39.000 A lot of people, you know, you can say it, you can have these kind of sort of hard fights, but that fight kind of showed that I'm actually living it.

00:58:49.000 The worst beating, physically, as far as getting the results, as far as a victory, that was probably the worst fight in my career.

00:58:57.000 But as far as me growing as a person, and as far as something that was a reputation that would save me forever, it was the best fight.

00:59:04.000 Do you have a fight that you look back and you remember as a proud moment or one of your proudest moments?

00:59:11.000 Well, that fight would probably be it, but not at the moment, yeah.

00:59:15.000 Because at the moment, I didn't think I was that bad.

00:59:18.000 At the moment, when I was getting hit, I remember getting hit some shots that really rocked me, and I remember thinking in my head, the thing that I thought was, I can't let them know it hurt.

00:59:30.000 And I remember looking at my corner and looking at him and just saying, I'm okay.

00:59:34.000 They didn't ask me, but I just did it on purpose because I knew he'd be seeing me doing it. 0.99

00:59:37.000 Like, what the fuck's wrong with this guy? 0.99

00:59:39.000 I just hit him so hard. 0.99

00:59:40.000 What did you knock people out with?

00:59:43.000 And this guy's looking at his corner and saying, I'm okay.

00:59:45.000 And then, you know, that's the kind of stuff.

00:59:48.000 When the fight was stopped and I was screaming, no, it wasn't because...

00:59:53.000 I was, you know, trying to be tough.

00:59:55.000 I just felt, in that moment and time, I felt, okay, I got two minutes between rounds.

01:00:01.000 Why are you coming in at 30 seconds and saying the fight's over?

01:00:05.000 And the second thing I'm thinking too is, you guys don't know the training that I went through for this.

01:00:12.000 This is nothing compared to what I did every day.

01:00:15.000 I mean, I felt like, let me go on.

01:00:17.000 And I also felt that this is the time right here.

01:00:20.000 This is the time, my breaking moment.

01:00:22.000 This is a time where I can show myself that I can still go on.

01:00:26.000 But I didn't realize that my ear was perforated so bad that my equilibrium was off.

01:00:32.000 I didn't realize that I needed, you know, I was saying to the doctor, no!

01:00:35.000 I still got two minutes, you know, I'm thinking, I got two minutes, don't check me now!

01:00:38.000 But I actually should have been yelling, give me three months!

01:00:43.000 I didn't realize how bad I was, yeah.

01:00:45.000 Wow.

01:00:45.000 So how long did it take for you to recover?

01:00:48.000 Three months.

01:00:48.000 Three months to recover from that?

01:00:49.000 Wow.

01:00:50.000 So I had a perforated eardrum, I had a broken jaw, broken finger, and I had a swollen brain.

01:00:58.000 Whoa.

01:00:58.000 Yeah, and that...

01:01:00.000 That was a big worry for the doctors.

01:01:02.000 The other big worry was the kidney.

01:01:03.000 The kidney levels rose 2,000 times a normal person.

01:01:08.000 The kidney levels?

01:01:09.000 Yeah.

01:01:10.000 See, what the doctor explained to me was when your muscles get any type of trauma, even if it's just one area of your body, your muscles all act together as a team and they'll put off toxins.

01:01:23.000 Hmm.

01:01:24.000 That'll affect your kidneys, apparently. 0.76

01:01:26.000 So the breakdown of the muscle tissue was processed by kidneys, and so your kidneys had to deal with a lot of tissue.

01:01:33.000 Toxins, yeah.

01:01:34.000 Tissue trauma, and so there was a lot of toxicity.

01:01:37.000 Something about the kidney levels, if they go too high, the kidneys will shut down.

01:01:41.000 Well, it's also probably the effort that you put forth, too, because it was such a crazy, crazy fight.

01:01:45.000 You know that issue that a lot of CrossFitters have, that rhabdomyelosis?

01:01:49.000 You hear about that?

01:01:50.000 No.

01:01:51.000 It's a big issue that's going on with a lot of these CrossFit competitions.

01:01:54.000 They push themselves so far.

01:01:57.000 They push themselves to the brink of your total body failure.

01:02:00.000 And this rhabdomyelosis is very common amongst CrossFitters. 0.62

01:02:04.000 I know a guy whose wife got it from just training CrossFit because they push themselves so fucking hard that they have kidney failure.

01:02:14.000 Their body starts breaking down. 0.83

01:02:15.000 It's really common.

01:02:16.000 Any time when someone over trains, that's probably a big issue.

01:02:21.000 So a fight, post-fight, like a fight like that especially, pull up Igor Vovchanchin versus Francisco Bueno.

01:02:29.000 Yeah, I saw that.

01:02:30.000 And you can see what this guy was like back in the day.

01:02:33.000 That's a fight that actually got me intrigued to fight Igor.

01:02:36.000 Yeah.

01:02:37.000 When I saw that, that...

01:02:39.000 That devastation was something like, well, can you imagine stepping in that zone knowing that that could happen to you at any moment, but standing there in that zone fighting that.

01:02:50.000 When I fought Mark Kerr, it was right after he beat up Hugo Doherty.

01:02:54.000 So I was looking at fights to grow as a person, not to get a win-loss record.

01:03:02.000 That's why I'm saying Anthony Noy of today wouldn't make it.

01:03:05.000 Right.

01:03:06.000 Yeah, because it wasn't looking...

01:03:07.000 It wasn't very good for my career. 0.99

01:03:09.000 Well, you fought some big fucking guys, too. 0.97

01:03:11.000 And you weren't like... 0.98

01:03:11.000 Like, you fought Randy, who's a heavyweight, you know? 0.98

01:03:14.000 And, like, here's Igor Vovchanchin versus Francisco Bueno.

01:03:18.000 And this was Igor at his prime.

01:03:20.000 Like, ooh, this guy's built.

01:03:21.000 Look at this.

01:03:21.000 Ding, ding, ding.

01:03:22.000 He caught him three times as he was out on the way down.

01:03:27.000 Yeah, he was out for a long time, too.

01:03:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:03:30.000 Dude, he got flatlined.

01:03:31.000 I was sitting ringside, and there was this, I guess, a girl, his girlfriend...

01:03:36.000 But she was going crazy screaming, man. 0.60

01:03:41.000 He didn't wake up for a while.

01:03:42.000 Well, that was a brutal, brutal, brutal KO. And that was Igor at his very best.

01:03:47.000 And look at this again.

01:03:48.000 Look at the way this guy's built.

01:03:49.000 I mean, he really does look like a guy who's way bigger, who's like cut off the ends of his body.

01:03:54.000 Look at this.

01:03:54.000 Clink.

01:03:55.000 And he had those crazy punches, too.

01:03:57.000 Those casting punches.

01:03:59.000 He was one of the first guys to throw the way Fedor was known for throwing those punches, where it's almost like your hand is perpendicular with the ground instead of horizontal with it.

01:04:10.000 He would throw a lot of his punches like this, in a very unorthodox way, casting punches is the way they call it.

01:04:18.000 Those are the days, the glory days.

01:04:20.000 When you look back, man, and you think from 1997, your fight with Royce Alger, did they have gloves on back then?

01:04:27.000 That was the last UFC that they gave us an option.

01:04:30.000 So I opted to not have gloves because I always wanted to try that.

01:04:35.000 Wow.

01:04:35.000 So you were in the last UFC where you didn't have to wear gloves?

01:04:38.000 UFC 13 was the last one that they made an option.

01:04:41.000 After that, it was a rule that you have.

01:04:43.000 So I feel like I just made it, yes.

01:04:45.000 Yeah.

01:04:47.000 Well, for a grappler, too, you know, that's a big advantage, just sneaking in chokes and stuff.

01:04:52.000 And the way they taped it, they didn't allow you to tape the hands.

01:04:55.000 Really?

01:04:55.000 And they taped it for me, and it was like, it cut, like, here, it was like, just pretty much the wrist.

01:05:00.000 So you really had nothing on this at all to protect your hand.

01:05:04.000 Huh.

01:05:05.000 Yeah.

01:05:06.000 What do you think now about these new, like, there's a lot of issues these days with guys with eye pokes.

01:05:13.000 But it wasn't a big issue back then, which is weird to me, that it was not nearly as much of an issue in those early days.

01:05:21.000 Like, you didn't see a lot of eye pokes.

01:05:23.000 Yeah, you didn't, yeah.

01:05:23.000 No.

01:05:24.000 And you didn't see a lot in Pride.

01:05:28.000 Tim Kennedy was on the podcast, We Have These Pride Gloves.

01:05:31.000 There's a bunch of them like the last UFC, yeah?

01:05:34.000 There's a lot of them, a lot lately.

01:05:36.000 But these pride gloves, Tim Kennedy believes are superior to the UFC gloves because they naturally promote a curved fist, whereas the UFC gloves have much more of a straight line to them.

01:05:48.000 Everlast has a new glove that they're using with Bellator and it's a much more curved fist and it's also there's more padding across the top to reinforce the metacarpals when you're hitting and they apparently stopped a lot of bone breaks because of that.

01:06:05.000 Oh really?

01:06:06.000 But I almost feel like the same thing I feel like with football.

01:06:10.000 That, like, everybody is concerned about head trauma in football, but no one wants to look at...

01:06:17.000 There's a lot of people who have analyzed football, they say, well, the best way to stop this head trauma is probably to make people play football with no helmets.

01:06:29.000 Because if you play football with no helmets, you're going to play totally different. 0.99

01:06:32.000 You cannot go head-to-head and clash into each other if you have no fucking helmet. 0.92

01:06:36.000 And the only real way to control the way these guys do this is to make it so that it's impossible to... 0.99

01:06:42.000 I mean, they're spiking each other with helmets on and shoulder pads and shit. 0.85

01:06:45.000 They're saying if you really want to do it, look at rugby and look at Australian rules football. 0.94

01:06:49.000 Less head trauma, less instances of traumatic brain injury, and they're fighting with no pads.

01:06:57.000 That's a good point.

01:06:58.000 And I think that might be the way to do it with MMA too, man.

01:07:02.000 Because I get that people think that it's brutal to punch people with no gloves on, but guess what?

01:07:09.000 You're kicking people with nothing on your feet.

01:07:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:07:12.000 Your foot is way fucking stronger. 0.98

01:07:15.000 Your heel never gets hurt. 0.98

01:07:16.000 You could heel kick someone in the face all day, and it's never going to hurt your heel.

01:07:20.000 I mean, I've seen people wheel kick people full clip, slam into their face, they walk off fine.

01:07:27.000 You never see them like, ow, my foot.

01:07:29.000 It doesn't hurt your foot.

01:07:31.000 Your heel, you can stomp on the ground.

01:07:33.000 You can do things with your foot you could never do with your hands.

01:07:37.000 I think they should probably go bare knuckle. 0.98

01:07:39.000 I think that might be the way.

01:07:40.000 Well, the gloves are actually just to protect the hands.

01:07:43.000 Yeah.

01:07:44.000 Yeah.

01:07:44.000 And maybe stop some cuts.

01:07:46.000 But you cut people with elbows.

01:07:48.000 Elbows cut.

01:07:48.000 Yeah, you can elbow now.

01:07:50.000 And probably we couldn't elbow, yeah.

01:07:51.000 What do you think about that?

01:07:52.000 Because some people think that elbows actually stop a lot of good fights because of cuts.

01:07:57.000 Well, you're asking a guy who didn't...

01:08:00.000 I wanted growing shots allowed.

01:08:02.000 Right.

01:08:03.000 Everything.

01:08:04.000 Even eye gouging.

01:08:05.000 Really?

01:08:06.000 Because I believe that you see all the people that get hurt in the eyes because you can't do it.

01:08:11.000 So you're not expecting it.

01:08:12.000 We're professionals.

01:08:14.000 I mean, you're training to stop all the joint locks, all the different chokes. 1.00

01:08:17.000 You're training to stop being in bad positions.

01:08:20.000 If you're allowed to have growing shots, you train not to get hit in the groin.

01:08:26.000 Right.

01:08:26.000 I think if you're going to allow eye gouges, you've got a real problem.

01:08:29.000 Yeah, I mean, biting is the only thing that I wouldn't be for.

01:08:34.000 But biting is good.

01:08:35.000 If you get side control and bite someone in the neck...

01:08:37.000 I know, biting would actually change the fight.

01:08:38.000 I know, that's the thing.

01:08:39.000 Or biting the ear. 1.00

01:08:41.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

01:08:42.000 I mean, look how Holyfield reacted to Mike Tyson. 1.00

01:08:44.000 He bit a chunk of his ear off.

01:08:47.000 Yeah, I think eye gouges are, that's a dangerous problem.

01:08:50.000 You got a bunch of guys like Alan Belcher's career is in jeopardy because of detached retinas. 1.00

01:08:55.000 Michael Bisping had to have several eye surgeries.

01:08:57.000 He's got a real problem now.

01:08:58.000 One of his eyes looks weird.

01:09:00.000 That was from the thumbing, yeah, by accident, yeah?

01:09:02.000 And I'm talking about grappling when you try and grab the eyes.

01:09:05.000 It's hard.

01:09:06.000 If the guy's going to defend from that, you know, Nakayuki lost his eye.

01:09:09.000 It was because, I believe a big thing was You're allowing these dirty fighters to get away with it because it's not in the rules.

01:09:18.000 So he's not expecting it.

01:09:20.000 So I figure a professional expecting it, that would not have happened if Nakai knew that it was in the rules.

01:09:26.000 Hmm.

01:09:27.000 Yeah, that was, he fought Gerard Gardaud.

01:09:30.000 Yeah, that was bad.

01:09:31.000 Big karate guy.

01:09:32.000 That was shameful.

01:09:34.000 Yeah, that was shameful.

01:09:35.000 Yeah, he lost his eye because of that.

01:09:37.000 Yeah.

01:09:37.000 He's one of the few.

01:09:38.000 But there's quite a few guys who've had, yeah, that's really common these days, man.

01:09:44.000 Really common.

01:09:45.000 I just, I don't know what they could do about it.

01:09:48.000 I almost feel like there's a way to cover the tips of the fingers, though.

01:09:51.000 I wonder.

01:09:51.000 I wonder how much it'll affect the grappling, though, yeah?

01:09:54.000 I wonder if it's a small, like, a thin piece of, like, a thin leather that it maybe even enhance the grappling because it'll give you more grip.

01:10:02.000 Like, when your hands are sweaty, you know, and you...

01:10:05.000 As we speak, someone's working on it right now, probably, huh?

01:10:09.000 I'm sure there is.

01:10:10.000 These are the Bellator gloves.

01:10:11.000 You can see up on that thing.

01:10:13.000 See, the Bellator glove is on the left, whereas the UFC-style glove is on the right, and the Bellator glove has more padding on the metacarpal, and it's curved more.

01:10:22.000 Uh-huh.

01:10:23.000 I don't know.

01:10:23.000 What they have shown, though, Bellator has had far less hand breaks because of that.

01:10:29.000 Oh, really?

01:10:29.000 Yeah.

01:10:30.000 But then again, it goes back to the football thing.

01:10:33.000 Like, maybe you're better off knowing that you can't just tee off on someone's head without breaking your hand.

01:10:39.000 I mean, if guys had to be more conservative with their punches, maybe we would see more kicks, maybe we'd see more grappling, and maybe MMA would be more realistic.

01:10:47.000 That's true, man.

01:10:48.000 That's true.

01:10:50.000 I don't know.

01:10:50.000 You know, I don't know what the answer is.

01:10:52.000 Yeah.

01:10:53.000 I think it's still...

01:10:54.000 We have a bunch of issues in MMA right now.

01:10:56.000 The judging issue is a tremendous issue.

01:10:58.000 Oh, the judging, man.

01:10:58.000 What's going on with that, man?

01:10:59.000 Did you see the Diego Sanchez-Ross Pearson fight?

01:11:01.000 Yeah, that was crazy. 1.00

01:11:02.000 Fucking ridiculous. 1.00

01:11:03.000 That was crazy. 1.00

01:11:03.000 Ridiculous. 1.00

01:11:04.000 I haven't seen one person that thought Diego Sanchez won that fight other than Diego and Diego's family. 0.78

01:11:10.000 And I love Diego. 0.98

01:11:12.000 You know, it's not Diego's fault that they scored it wrong, but god damn, that was a bad decision. 0.97

01:11:16.000 Yeah, it was very bad. 0.98

01:11:18.000 Yeah.

01:11:18.000 I mean, Diego's got a lot of heart.

01:11:20.000 You can't take it away from him.

01:11:22.000 That guy, he's a Yamato Dimash type fighter, right?

01:11:25.000 He is. 1.00

01:11:26.000 He's a motherfucker. 1.00

01:11:28.000 Diego Sanchez comes to parties. 1.00

01:11:29.000 I love watching the guy fight.

01:11:30.000 One of my all-time favorites.

01:11:31.000 He's a wild man.

01:11:33.000 He's one of the few guys today that still fights with complete, total, reckless abandon.

01:11:39.000 Especially when he starts getting hurt.

01:11:41.000 Oh, yeah.

01:11:42.000 His face could be hanging off.

01:11:43.000 When he fought Martin Kampman in that third round, his face was hanging off.

01:11:47.000 Hanging off of his skull.

01:11:48.000 And he's charging like a wild beast with rabies. 1.00

01:11:54.000 He's a crazy dude, man. 0.91

01:11:56.000 He's fun to watch fight. 0.99

01:11:58.000 He's pure aggression, that guy.

01:12:00.000 Pure aggression and heart.

01:12:02.000 I like that guy, yeah.

01:12:03.000 Love watching him fight, man.

01:12:04.000 I just don't think he won that decision.

01:12:06.000 Yeah, I don't think so either.

01:12:08.000 What do you think about the way the UFC has rounds, too?

01:12:11.000 Because one of the things I really loved about Pride was that first 10-minute round.

01:12:16.000 That really separated the people that had real true endurance and knew how to pace yourself.

01:12:23.000 Pacing yourself on a five minute round is one thing.

01:12:26.000 Pacing yourself on a ten minute round is an entirely different proposition when it comes to conditioning.

01:12:30.000 Yeah.

01:12:31.000 Well, again, it goes to that question, you know, The reason why MMA is being changed in the way it is is for the sponsors and for the audience.

01:12:43.000 And I think it's...

01:12:44.000 Depending on the fighter, can you imagine...

01:12:46.000 You know you have those boring fights where they get to the ground and you just want them to stand up, but they're doing enough that they don't get broken up, and you're like, damn, five minutes is not that bad, but you can imagine that happening for ten minutes.

01:12:57.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:12:58.000 I think that's the thing that really works for the...

01:13:06.000 I agree, but there's a purist in me that I don't like stand-ups.

01:13:10.000 I don't think you should be stood up.

01:13:12.000 I think if the guy's on the bottom and you don't like the fact that the guy's holding you down, you got to get better at getting up.

01:13:18.000 You got to get better at sweeping them.

01:13:19.000 You got to get better at trying to attack from the bottom, attacking to try to get a better position to stand back up or to try to finish them from your back.

01:13:28.000 I just don't think it's realistic for a guy just to hang on and let the referee stand him back up again, which is a strategy.

01:13:34.000 You see it all the time.

01:13:35.000 Well, it's a sport now, yeah?

01:13:36.000 Yeah.

01:13:36.000 If you're looking at it as a fight, you know, that's why he's a good MMA fighter.

01:13:40.000 I mean, not like a street fighter.

01:13:43.000 It's a whole different thing, yeah.

01:13:44.000 Right.

01:13:44.000 But even as a sport, I think if you're going to look at the sport, it's still a sport of fighting.

01:13:49.000 And if a guy can hold you down, he's holding you down.

01:13:52.000 Like, you can't just stand him up.

01:13:54.000 He worked hard to get that guy down, and the guy on the bottom doesn't want to be there.

01:13:57.000 It's not like technique.

01:13:59.000 He's just locking his hands and just holding them just to get a better position and get stood up again.

01:14:04.000 That's what a lot of guys do.

01:14:05.000 They just wait to get stood back up.

01:14:07.000 I think that's kind of crazy.

01:14:08.000 I don't like that either.

01:14:10.000 I like to see a guy like, you know Charles Oliveira?

01:14:14.000 You know that kid?

01:14:15.000 I like watching that guy fight because he's so dangerous off of his back.

01:14:19.000 Because he's real aggressive standing up.

01:14:21.000 And one of the reasons why he's so aggressive standing up, he's not worried about being taken down.

01:14:25.000 Because if he's taken down, he's...

01:14:27.000 Attacks, attacks, right away off of his back.

01:14:29.000 Arm bars, triangles, boom, boom, boom.

01:14:31.000 There's no picnic taking that guy on the ground.

01:14:33.000 You take him down to the ground, you're just in another different type of attack.

01:14:36.000 He's constantly attacking.

01:14:37.000 I like that.

01:14:38.000 That's good, yeah.

01:14:39.000 When guys have one-dimensional games, that's when getting taken down becomes a problem.

01:14:43.000 Because they get taken down, and then the guy can hold them there.

01:14:46.000 But you can't hold some guys.

01:14:48.000 There's guys that have wicked guards. 1.00

01:14:50.000 You take them down, and man, you're in a fucking new world of shit. 1.00

01:14:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:14:54.000 You're just running into another sort of a situation where you can get submitted or lose the fight.

01:15:00.000 I think that that's the best way for MMA. The best way is not standing guys up because then why not even just...

01:15:08.000 Why have it MMA then?

01:15:09.000 Why not just fight kickboxing? 0.98

01:15:11.000 If you just want to fight standing up, then where there's no threat of takedowns, then you can do some wild shit, you know? 0.89

01:15:18.000 But you have a different sport then. 0.71

01:15:20.000 If you're going to have takedowns, I don't think you should have stand-ups.

01:15:24.000 I really don't.

01:15:25.000 Uh-huh.

01:15:25.000 Yeah, true.

01:15:26.000 But, Sam, can you imagine the sponsors wouldn't like that?

01:15:29.000 The TV would be a problem. 1.00

01:15:31.000 Fucking baseball, man! 1.00

01:15:32.000 How do they watch baseball? 1.00

01:15:34.000 I agree with that one. 1.00

01:15:35.000 That shit's way more boring. 1.00

01:15:37.000 Or golf, yeah? 1.00

01:15:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:15:38.000 And they will watch it.

01:15:39.000 That's true.

01:15:40.000 You look at that, then they should not break him.

01:15:42.000 That's not that boring after you look at that.

01:15:44.000 It's not even close.

01:15:46.000 Well, even football, man.

01:15:47.000 What do you think of two-on-ones and stuff, man?

01:15:49.000 I don't like that.

01:15:50.000 You don't like that, man?

01:15:51.000 No. 1.00

01:15:51.000 The team fighting shit? 1.00

01:15:53.000 No, not the team fighting. 1.00

01:15:54.000 Like, two-on-one.

01:15:55.000 Even two-on-one.

01:15:56.000 I think...

01:15:57.000 It'd be a whole deal of strategy, man.

01:15:59.000 I think two-on-one would be interesting if it was, like, a guy like you versus two non-trained guys.

01:16:06.000 Oh, that'd be funny.

01:16:07.000 That'd be exciting.

01:16:08.000 That would be exciting.

01:16:09.000 Non-trained big guys.

01:16:10.000 Yes.

01:16:11.000 Non-trained guys, though.

01:16:12.000 But with trained guys, no.

01:16:15.000 But that's like a circus.

01:16:16.000 Yeah.

01:16:17.000 But say if you had a guy like John Jones versus two football players that don't really know how to fight.

01:16:25.000 That would be exciting.

01:16:26.000 Oh, that would be exciting.

01:16:27.000 That would be exciting.

01:16:28.000 But a guy like John Jones versus two John Joneses?

01:16:33.000 No.

01:16:33.000 Yeah, no way.

01:16:34.000 I don't want to see that.

01:16:35.000 I mean, for me, I always felt that that was one of the things I wanted to try and do.

01:16:40.000 Two on one?

01:16:41.000 Is fight two guys at one time.

01:16:43.000 Because there's a whole near fear element. 1.00

01:16:45.000 Oh yeah, fuck yeah. 0.99

01:16:46.000 That fear element is what I was kind of intrigued to try and experience. 0.99

01:16:51.000 Would you want to fight two guys of the same size as you?

01:16:53.000 No, but say if I'm 230, guys that are like 180 or even 200 pounds.

01:17:01.000 Just have a little bit of an advantage in size to balance it out.

01:17:03.000 A little bit where, yeah, yeah.

01:17:05.000 And then the issues would be different.

01:17:08.000 Yeah, well, that's why I'm saying two untrained guys.

01:17:12.000 You get two rough, tough football players that don't really know how to fight.

01:17:19.000 Give them a couple weeks to hit the pads or whatever.

01:17:21.000 Just a little bit.

01:17:23.000 Just a couple weeks to do some fight training.

01:17:26.000 But the reality is...

01:17:28.000 A guy like you versus a football player that has no martial arts experience, he would need years just to be able to survive on his own.

01:17:35.000 But two of them?

01:17:36.000 Yeah.

01:17:37.000 They have the gangster fights.

01:17:39.000 Yeah.

01:17:39.000 And it's actually pretty semi-trained.

01:17:43.000 All of them are semi-trained.

01:17:45.000 What do you mean by gangster fights?

01:17:46.000 You're talking about the Russian?

01:17:48.000 No, the ones in Japan, the Yakuza's fight and stuff.

01:17:52.000 Really?

01:17:52.000 They have one guy and literally guys that are a little bit smaller.

01:17:56.000 And it's crazy, some of the fights, man.

01:17:59.000 So it's one guy versus two guys, you're saying?

01:18:03.000 Yeah, one guy versus two guys.

01:18:05.000 And the two guys are a little bit smaller?

01:18:07.000 A little bit smaller, just a little bit, yeah.

01:18:09.000 And the Yakuza sets these up? 0.86

01:18:11.000 There's fights that are run by them, yeah.

01:18:14.000 Is it organized?

01:18:15.000 Yeah, it's organized.

01:18:17.000 What do they call it?

01:18:19.000 They call it a Chika Kakutogi. 0.79

01:18:21.000 Chika is underground, and Kakutogi is fighting.

01:18:24.000 Chika Kakutogi? 0.71

01:18:25.000 Yeah, so underground fighting.

01:18:26.000 If you're in Japan, when they have one, they'll take you to one. 1.00

01:18:28.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

01:18:28.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:18:29.000 The good thing about it is a lot of these guys don't have that much skill, and they just brawl.

01:18:38.000 Wow.

01:18:39.000 Now, do they have a doctor standing by for these things?

01:18:42.000 Yes, they have ring doctors, they have referees, they have everything.

01:18:45.000 And you could get away with that in Japan because the Yakuza has...

01:18:48.000 It's a different sort of a scenario than, say, the mafia in America.

01:18:52.000 Yeah, it's a little different, yeah.

01:18:54.000 Like, it's much more accepted, right?

01:18:55.000 Yes, it is.

01:18:56.000 It's something inside of people know that's around.

01:19:00.000 Wow.

01:19:00.000 But it's not something that you want to be public about.

01:19:03.000 Huh.

01:19:04.000 Yeah, they made me cover up my tattoos.

01:19:06.000 We talked about this the last time we were on a podcast.

01:19:08.000 I was in a gym, and they made me put on a long-sleeved shirt and come back.

01:19:11.000 Yeah, and you probably can't shower here.

01:19:14.000 Yeah, shower in my room.

01:19:17.000 But the Yakuza is not talked about, but it's everywhere.

01:19:21.000 Yeah, it's everywhere.

01:19:22.000 You can see them around.

01:19:24.000 There's nice guys that are Yakuza. 1.00

01:19:25.000 There's assholes. 1.00

01:19:26.000 There's a whole bunch of them. 1.00

01:19:27.000 I've had a lot of stuff with them.

01:19:30.000 Yeah, we talked a little bit about that last time you were here on the podcast. 0.99

01:19:33.000 We had to smack the shit out of some guy. 0.98

01:19:35.000 Yeah, it's all in the book, too, man. 0.95

01:19:36.000 Okay, now tell me about the book, and when is it out?

01:19:38.000 Is it out already?

01:19:39.000 This is the one for you, man.

01:19:40.000 Beautiful.

01:19:41.000 Oh, awesome.

01:19:42.000 Beautiful.

01:19:43.000 Yeah, it's...

01:19:45.000 I think four years in the making.

01:19:46.000 Live as a man, die as a man, become a man. 0.51

01:19:50.000 Do you understand that saying?

01:19:52.000 Yes.

01:19:54.000 I don't know if we talked about it before, but the middle line is to die when everyone thinks that's the end.

01:20:03.000 So everyone thinks that the normal reading would be to live as a man, become a man, and die as a man.

01:20:09.000 But I believe that until you face that most fearful test of dying, you don't know how strong you actually are.

01:20:17.000 So you live your life with all these little tests in life, all the little trials that you have to build your strength and build your heart to the last test of dying.

01:20:27.000 And the way you die is going to determine whether you've passed that test or not.

01:20:33.000 So that's why I like that title, yeah.

01:20:36.000 That's a, in today's day and age, this strange, soft, pussified society that we live in. 0.83

01:20:43.000 You know, and there's a lot of good things about the pussified society. 0.92

01:20:46.000 Don't get me wrong.

01:20:47.000 There's a lot of good things about people being civil with each other and about having laws and about having, you know, being able to get your food from a grocery store.

01:20:55.000 All those things are good.

01:20:56.000 But what's bad about all these things, and it's not bad about these things, but the The repercussions of them is that men don't develop character.

01:21:06.000 And a lot of men fold under pressure because they've never experienced pressure.

01:21:10.000 They don't know themselves.

01:21:11.000 They don't know what they're capable of because they've never had to face adversity.

01:21:15.000 True adversity.

01:21:16.000 When you're really worried about your life.

01:21:18.000 When you're really worried about your safety.

01:21:20.000 When your back is up against the wall and you either rise to the occasion or you are dwarfed by the moment.

01:21:25.000 And so many people that have never faced adversity, they just immediately fall apart.

01:21:29.000 They panic.

01:21:30.000 They fold.

01:21:30.000 They don't know what to do.

01:21:33.000 That's what you were fighting against.

01:21:35.000 Yeah.

01:21:36.000 And a lot of it in the book is a lot of the stuff that I've went through.

01:21:41.000 And it's not like me being a big hero and flying with bright colors in every experience. 0.96

01:21:48.000 Sometimes there's experiences where I really just fucked up. 0.99

01:21:52.000 And some of those fuck-ups actually really taught me about myself. 0.98

01:21:55.000 Like what? 0.67

01:21:56.000 The book starts off with this story about My friend that was little, like 12 years old, I watched a friend get beat up by bigger guys, and I didn't do anything about it.

01:22:10.000 I was so scared.

01:22:11.000 I was frozen.

01:22:12.000 I didn't know what to do.

01:22:13.000 And I just watched it.

01:22:15.000 And I was afraid of getting involved and getting hurt, physically hurt, you know, beaten up, possibly going to hospital, possibly a broken bone.

01:22:26.000 And I didn't do anything about it.

01:22:28.000 The thing about that now is, if I did something about it, say I got a broken arm, broken leg, they broke my orbital, I'd be here today probably healed up because the body heals.

01:22:41.000 But to this day, even if that episode was 30 something years ago, I still hurt from that inside.

01:22:47.000 Thinking about that, wishing I could rewind and do something about it.

01:22:51.000 Wishing I could see that my friend again and tell him I'm sorry. 0.99

01:22:54.000 But we're seeing my friend and telling him, man, fuck, I don't know why I didn't help you, you know. 0.98

01:22:58.000 I never saw the guy again after that day. 0.99

01:23:00.000 Wow.

01:23:01.000 Yeah, and it was something that just, even just talking about it right now, it's just, I heard about it.

01:23:08.000 I heard, in my heart, I heard thinking about that.

01:23:12.000 Do you think that those moments, when you have these moments, those are...

01:23:18.000 To make the wrong decision and to feel the repercussions of that wrong decision, that's an integral part of the learning process.

01:23:26.000 Yes.

01:23:26.000 Because when something comes up in the future, you've experienced the pain of the wrong decision, and then the right decision becomes the only decision.

01:23:35.000 Yeah, that's probably the best way to learn.

01:23:37.000 Trial and error, man.

01:23:38.000 Yeah.

01:23:38.000 It's the only way, I think, to really truly understand it.

01:23:41.000 You can learn a little bit from other people's mistakes.

01:23:44.000 You know, you sort of internalize their mistakes and you put them into your category or your catalog, rather, of knowledge. 0.92

01:23:51.000 But I think to truly have a real lesson in your head, you almost have to fuck it up yourself.

01:23:58.000 Well, that one experience has helped me make the right decisions and a lot of other things that came later in my life, but still just that one, that one just still hurts, man. 0.55

01:24:07.000 Thirty-something years later, man.

01:24:09.000 Any bone that was broken would have been healed by that.

01:24:13.000 That's the true thing also about losses, is that everybody wants to win.

01:24:18.000 Winning is everything.

01:24:20.000 Winning is the only thing.

01:24:21.000 It's not everything is the only thing.

01:24:22.000 People always say that.

01:24:23.000 There are no second places.

01:24:24.000 It's just the first loser.

01:24:26.000 But the reality is... 0.98

01:24:29.000 Those losses and that awful feeling of those losses are so fucking important for the growing process. 0.75

01:24:35.000 If you don't realize what it's like to drop your hands and get cracked by a counter shot, you don't realize how important it is to really keep your hands up, you won't know. 0.87

01:24:44.000 You won't internalize it. 1.00

01:24:46.000 But when you've been cracked and rocked and you wind up losing a fight, you're like, fuck. 0.99

01:24:50.000 When you're in that fight again or in another fight, those lessons are concrete. 0.99

01:24:55.000 Those lessons are tangible.

01:24:57.000 Those lessons are a part of who you are now.

01:24:59.000 It also depends on what level you're going to look at wins and losses at.

01:25:03.000 Because after you fight, if someone asks me after I fought, how'd you do?

01:25:08.000 I mean, if you're talking about the way I think, I don't know yet.

01:25:13.000 Because I'm going to know if I won or lost that fight in my next fight.

01:25:16.000 If I become a better fighter because of that experience, I'm a better fighter.

01:25:20.000 I won because I gained and I got better.

01:25:22.000 So losses are determined on what you're going to do after the loss.

01:25:26.000 Yeah.

01:25:27.000 There's oftentimes wins that fuck a fighter up more than a loss does. 0.72

01:25:31.000 Because, like, say maybe you catch a guy with one punch and you knock him out, and then you just decide that you're a knockout puncher now.

01:25:37.000 Instead of being technical, instead of using a comprehensive game, you're just going to come...

01:25:41.000 Become a striker all of a sudden.

01:25:43.000 That happened to a lot of guys, man. 0.98

01:25:44.000 A lot of guys who were jujitsu black belts all of a sudden started getting in these kickboxing matches and getting fucked up. 0.98

01:25:50.000 Uh-huh. 0.97

01:25:51.000 And it was so frustrating for me to watch.

01:25:53.000 Like, I understand that you like to strike. 0.98

01:25:56.000 However, you're a fucking wizard on the ground and you're not even attempting to use these skills because you had success in this one thing. 0.97

01:26:04.000 So they decide that they're a striker. 0.98

01:26:06.000 A lot of the game is the mind, right?

01:26:08.000 Yeah.

01:26:09.000 The book covers every fight exactly how I was thinking from when I got the fight.

01:26:15.000 To when I was preparing for the fight during the fight.

01:26:18.000 It's going to be interesting because a lot of people think that I'm this Yamato Damashi guy that has no fears and just comes out and has this iron type of thinking.

01:26:27.000 But it kind of tells you exactly what I'm thinking during the fight.

01:26:32.000 What happened what I thought after the fight and it's it's it's straight-up real stuff I mean well, you know custom motto the guy the longtime trainer Mike Tyson famous guy who was really but what his His take wasn't just the technical aspects of boxing but also the psychology behind Boxing and one of the things that he ingrained in Mike Tyson He said that a coward and hero feel the exact same thing It's just that the hero chooses to

01:27:02.000 act while the coward falls apart.

01:27:05.000 It's what you do with fear.

01:27:06.000 It's what you do with the fear.

01:27:07.000 And his other thing was that fear is like fire.

01:27:10.000 It can cook your food for you, it can keep you warm, or if you lose control of it, it can burn your house down and kill you.

01:27:16.000 Yeah, that's so real. 0.98

01:27:21.000 Your impressive performances are more impressive, knowing that you were scared, knowing that you had all the fears that everybody else has, but you decided anyway to still clamp down your mouthpiece and fucking throw lead at Igor Vovchanchin. 0.67

01:27:35.000 Yeah. 0.83

01:27:36.000 That's what I was fighting for.

01:27:39.000 This Yamato Dimash and, you know, Eastern philosophy, which is very different in a lot of ways than Western philosophy, the philosophy that a lot of people associate with martial arts, the respect and honor, integrity and warrior spirit, a lot of that is kind of missing in some MMA camps.

01:27:58.000 And it's almost like they've become jocks and athletes and not as much martial artists.

01:28:06.000 What do you think about that?

01:28:09.000 I think it's something that people are losing.

01:28:13.000 Yeah, it is true.

01:28:15.000 There's a benefit in having that, right?

01:28:17.000 Oh, definitely.

01:28:18.000 Because what happens when you run your gym and you fight in that mentality, once you're done with MMA, you can't fight forever.

01:28:27.000 When you're done with MMA, it will carry on with you as a person.

01:28:32.000 If you're just being a jock and doing this MMA and you're just doing that, once you're done with that, you're going to You're going to go into the real world the person that you were when you started fighting. 0.99

01:28:42.000 Not only that, you'll probably be one of those motherfuckers of those boring-ass Glory Days stories. 0.99

01:28:47.000 You keep talking about... 1.00

01:28:49.000 Talking about back when, yeah.

01:28:51.000 Back when you won the Olympic trials for wrestling and, you know, I was doing great until I blew that disc, you know.

01:28:56.000 Yeah, but if you train with that honor and discipline and you develop that during your fighting career, you're going to definitely be a better man when you finish your fighting career.

01:29:04.000 Well, I got real lucky when I first started doing martial arts is that my Taekwondo instructor was very into the aspects of martial arts that we consider, like the philosophy and the mindset and the warrior code,

01:29:19.000 indomitable spirit, like all these different things.

01:29:23.000 We're promoted very heavily.

01:29:26.000 One of the big ones was that martial arts are just a vehicle for developing your human potential.

01:29:32.000 Even when you can't kick and even when you can't punch and even when your body is old, you're still doing martial arts.

01:29:39.000 Because this path that you are on, this path of learning, this path of Testing yourself, this path of trying to overcome resistance, this will stay with you forever in life.

01:29:53.000 Yeah, oh yeah.

01:29:54.000 I believe martial arts for me was a stair in my life.

01:29:57.000 A stair that I had to climb to become a better person.

01:30:00.000 Do you think that it would, I think it would stop a lot of bullying if martial arts were mandatory in school?

01:30:07.000 Yeah, I think so, yeah.

01:30:08.000 It would.

01:30:08.000 It would stop a lot of the crazy, you know, being tough fights in school, yeah.

01:30:14.000 Yeah, if guys could test each other and guys could test themselves and guys could push themselves in the gym.

01:30:20.000 And also just develop confidence because you actually know how to fight.

01:30:24.000 Instead of pretending you know how to fight, try to scare people off because you're insecure.

01:30:28.000 We're always going to have those no matter what.

01:30:31.000 Less of it though, don't you think?

01:30:32.000 You'd have less of it.

01:30:33.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:30:34.000 I mean, you have bullies in the gym.

01:30:35.000 There's always going to be problems with guys in the gym that beat up on lesser talented guys or hurt guys when they're sparring.

01:30:41.000 They're supposed to be going 50% and they go 100%.

01:30:44.000 You're always going to have that.

01:30:47.000 You're always going to have gym wars where one guy elevates a little bit and the young guy catches up to him and then the other guy takes it to another level.

01:30:53.000 Next thing you know, they're in a full-on fight.

01:30:55.000 Yeah.

01:30:56.000 Yeah.

01:30:57.000 When you were training for MMA fights, how did you structure your training?

01:31:04.000 Say if you were about to fight Mark Kerr, for example, and you have eight weeks to prepare for your fight, how did you structure your training camp?

01:31:12.000 Did you do it all yourself?

01:31:13.000 Did you have someone help you design your programs?

01:31:16.000 I did a lot of work with Egan.

01:31:20.000 Egan would help me with a strategy, would help me with a game plan, and then we'd set our training.

01:31:27.000 In correspondence to the game plan, yeah.

01:31:30.000 Like Mark Kerr, for me, I didn't think I could get strong and big enough to match him power for par.

01:31:35.000 So I thought, you know, getting stamina and moving faster.

01:31:38.000 So I think I was like 94 kilos in that fight, yeah.

01:31:41.000 What is 94 kilos?

01:31:43.000 94 kilos, I don't know.

01:31:45.000 Okay, let's find out.

01:31:47.000 About 207, 208 maybe?

01:31:51.000 Let's see.

01:31:52.000 How many pounds is 94 kilos?

01:31:54.000 It is 207. 207, yeah.

01:31:58.000 And Kurt was like 260, right?

01:32:00.000 Yeah, he was like 260. Goddamn. 0.99

01:32:02.000 Muscle, yeah. 1.00

01:32:02.000 He was fucking gigantic. 1.00

01:32:04.000 Yeah, he was saying that he was going to throw toe-to-toe at me, so I was working my striking. 0.98

01:32:08.000 I actually went to Maurice's gym, Maurice Smith.

01:32:11.000 Oh really?

01:32:12.000 And worked there with him.

01:32:13.000 How did that fight go down?

01:32:14.000 I don't remember that fight.

01:32:16.000 He tackled you. 0.99

01:32:17.000 I thought we were going to throw down and he tackled me and I was like, oh damn. 0.99

01:32:23.000 And he held me and just kind of chipped away. 0.99

01:32:26.000 And he was good enough that I couldn't finish him.

01:32:30.000 But he wasn't good enough to pass my guard.

01:32:32.000 But he was good enough that I couldn't arm by arm.

01:32:36.000 And we got broken once.

01:32:38.000 And that was when Pride had those 10-minute rounds. 0.81

01:32:40.000 We were broken once and then dumb me the second time.

01:32:44.000 I thought, okay, we're going to stand now.

01:32:47.000 And, boom, he shot for a tackle again.

01:32:50.000 That was frustrating.

01:32:52.000 He was an interesting case, because he was one of those guys that sort of tested this...

01:32:57.000 In the beginning of MMA, when people would watch the various styles and the various strategies that people would be successful with inside the Octagon, They would try to figure out, what is the best way?

01:33:11.000 Is it the best way to be a big wrestler?

01:33:13.000 Well, no, if you fight Maurice Smith, because Maurice Smith figured out how to be a smaller guy, chip away at the legs of Mark Coleman, take it into the later rounds, and that's how he won the title.

01:33:22.000 He won the title with stamina and with his striking.

01:33:24.000 But then you see a guy like Mark Kerr, who was as far as you could go with the big, steroided-up, muscular frame and wrestling.

01:33:36.000 Pull up a picture of Mark Kerr.

01:33:38.000 Mark Kerr, in his prime, his nickname was the Smashing Machine.

01:33:44.000 The specimen, huh?

01:33:45.000 Yeah, the specimen, the smashing machine.

01:33:48.000 And he was a big wrestler who didn't have a lot of skills as far as submissions.

01:33:55.000 He submitted a guy with a can opener once.

01:33:57.000 Probably the only guy ever.

01:33:58.000 There is him. 0.99

01:33:59.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00

01:34:01.000 Look at that. 1.00

01:34:03.000 That is barely human. 1.00

01:34:05.000 He was fucking gigantic, man. 0.99

01:34:08.000 Yeah, that's the one I fought. 0.99

01:34:09.000 He submitted a guy, he submitted Dan Bobish by putting his chin in his eyeball. 0.99

01:34:16.000 He tucked his chin into Bobish's eyeball and fucking crushed his head into his own chin. 0.99

01:34:23.000 It's like he pulled his chin into the guy's eyeball. 0.99

01:34:27.000 And tapped him.

01:34:28.000 I think he mounted him and did that, stuck his chin in his face.

01:34:31.000 Yeah, he's strong. 1.00

01:34:32.000 Strong as fuck, I bet, right? 0.99

01:34:33.000 Yeah, he's one of the strongest guys I've ever met, yeah. 0.99

01:34:35.000 He was as big as you could get.

01:34:37.000 Yeah.

01:34:38.000 And still do MMA. That was like, he was like that example, like the example of the big, strong wrestler.

01:34:44.000 He was the most extreme version of it.

01:34:46.000 And he was real successful in the beginning.

01:34:48.000 Oh yeah, real successful.

01:34:49.000 Yeah, real good.

01:34:50.000 But it seemed like the wheels started to come off after a while.

01:34:53.000 Is he still fighting?

01:34:54.000 No, no.

01:34:55.000 He did a few fights afterwards, but after the Smashing Machine documentary came out, and the folks have never seen that documentary, that is...

01:35:03.000 He's got an incredible amount of courage for letting people into that world because Mark had a significant problem with painkillers and with drugs and showed it all in all of its...

01:35:16.000 They started that documentary wanting to...

01:35:19.000 Do a documentary to follow one of the best mixed martial arts fighters in the world, the Smashing Machine, the guy who a lot of people thought was the heavyweight to watch.

01:35:27.000 And along the way, they caught it at the perfect time where he was starting to unravel, and they got to see a guy whose life was just sort of falling apart.

01:35:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:36.000 That was pretty crazy.

01:35:38.000 All the syringes that came out.

01:35:40.000 It's crazy.

01:35:41.000 I know.

01:35:41.000 He's shooting himself up all the time with all these painkillers and stuff.

01:35:45.000 Painkillers are a motherfucker, man. 1.00

01:35:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:35:48.000 That's addicting, huh?

01:35:49.000 Oh, yeah.

01:35:49.000 Yeah, they're opiates.

01:35:51.000 Oh, jeez.

01:35:51.000 Very addicting.

01:35:53.000 Never tried them at all.

01:35:54.000 No painkillers at all?

01:35:55.000 I never tried any drug except marijuana.

01:35:58.000 Did you ever, like, have a surgery or anything like that?

01:36:01.000 No.

01:36:02.000 No surgeries at all?

01:36:03.000 Nothing?

01:36:03.000 No.

01:36:04.000 No knee surgery?

01:36:05.000 Nothing?

01:36:05.000 No.

01:36:06.000 How the hell did you manage to go through an MMA career with no surgeries?

01:36:09.000 A lot of luck.

01:36:12.000 Out of luck, man.

01:36:13.000 The worst I had, I think, was the orbital crack from the Royce Alger fight.

01:36:17.000 From Royce Alger fight?

01:36:18.000 You got an orbital crack?

01:36:19.000 That's what happened in that fight.

01:36:21.000 You know, when you interviewed me, I was fine.

01:36:23.000 And I went to the back and I felt my nose bleeding, so I blew my nose and it just...

01:36:27.000 Wow.

01:36:28.000 That's crazy.

01:36:29.000 And it just filled my eye up with air.

01:36:31.000 And then the doctor came in and said, can't fight.

01:36:34.000 And I was like, no, no, I'm fine.

01:36:35.000 Please, let me fight.

01:36:36.000 I still can see.

01:36:37.000 That's when Tito took your place.

01:36:40.000 Wow.

01:36:41.000 Tito was melting. 1.00

01:36:42.000 That's historical shit, man. 1.00

01:36:43.000 I know, yeah. 1.00

01:36:44.000 Tito Ortiz was melting it. 1.00

01:36:46.000 That is historical shit. 0.99

01:36:47.000 What did you think about Tito Ortiz fighting Bellator? 1.00

01:36:50.000 Did you see that?

01:36:51.000 That what?

01:36:51.000 That little guy?

01:36:51.000 He fought Shlomenko.

01:36:53.000 Well, I was hoping he did beat that guy up because I was thinking that guy shouldn't be calling out a heavyweight class. 0.95

01:36:57.000 It's ridiculous. 0.95

01:36:58.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:36:59.000 I don't know what he was thinking.

01:37:01.000 Yeah, I'm glad.

01:37:02.000 And even if he passed them out, he knocked them out.

01:37:04.000 Yeah, put them to sleep.

01:37:05.000 That was nice.

01:37:05.000 Put them to sleep with a head and arm choke.

01:37:07.000 That was nice to see.

01:37:08.000 Yeah, Tito's got a really underrated submission game.

01:37:10.000 A lot of people don't give him enough credit for a submission game.

01:37:13.000 He's big too. 0.99

01:37:15.000 He's fucking huge. 0.99

01:37:16.000 Yeah, he's like my weight class. 0.99

01:37:17.000 I just saw him the other time at one of the events.

01:37:20.000 He was a guest and...

01:37:21.000 He's huge.

01:37:22.000 He's enormous.

01:37:23.000 Yeah, it's hard to believe he even makes 205 when you look at how big he is.

01:37:26.000 He drops good weight.

01:37:27.000 And Schlemenko is like my size.

01:37:29.000 He had no business being in the cage with Tito.

01:37:32.000 And Tito...

01:37:33.000 He's the one who called Tito out, right?

01:37:35.000 Yeah.

01:37:36.000 I don't know what that's about. 0.90

01:37:37.000 And Tito sort of sponsors him too, which is a lot of people thought like some fuckery was afoot. 0.91

01:37:42.000 They're like, wait a minute. 0.53

01:37:43.000 Because Tito, like Team Punishment, he represents Team Punishment.

01:37:46.000 Really?

01:37:46.000 Yeah.

01:37:47.000 Oh, that's weird, huh?

01:37:48.000 I don't know.

01:37:49.000 I mean, maybe they just said they could make some money, let's just do it, and Shlomenko wanted to test himself.

01:37:54.000 I don't know, you know?

01:37:55.000 But when you see the two of them inside the cage at the same time...

01:37:58.000 Yeah, you know what it looks like?

01:38:00.000 It's like a movie where a giant is fighting a little man, you know?

01:38:04.000 And Tito got him to the ground, man.

01:38:06.000 He just saw that weight and pressure and just submitted him pretty quickly.

01:38:09.000 Look at the difference in the size there.

01:38:11.000 Yeah, I didn't know how to get that.

01:38:13.000 That's crazy.

01:38:15.000 But good for Tito to get that win back, man.

01:38:17.000 You know, that's one thing that bums me out is people don't... 0.97

01:38:20.000 I mean, I guess Tito kind of brings it on himself sometimes because he says a bunch of crazy shit, but that guy doesn't get enough credit. 0.98

01:38:26.000 A lot of people disrespect him. 0.97

01:38:28.000 Tito's a real...

01:38:29.000 He's a real pioneer.

01:38:30.000 Yeah, he is.

01:38:31.000 Oh, yeah, for sure.

01:38:32.000 He was there back with you in 97, man.

01:38:34.000 Yeah, really, yeah.

01:38:35.000 Yeah, he's been around.

01:38:35.000 He was with Tang Abbott at the time.

01:38:37.000 Yup, yup.

01:38:38.000 Yeah, I mean, that's when Tank Abbott was the Huntington Beach bad boy.

01:38:41.000 And Tito sort of became the Huntington Beach bad boy somewhere along the line.

01:38:45.000 That's right, man.

01:38:46.000 Wow.

01:38:47.000 Yeah, he was a part of Tank Abbott's crew.

01:38:49.000 He said he learned a lot from Tank Abbott, and it's interesting because what you say about attitude and about, you know, about...

01:38:56.000 The mindset of fighting, that's what he said that he learned from Tank Abbott.

01:39:00.000 Oh, really? 0.99

01:39:00.000 He learned from Tank Abbott how to just go in there and fuck somebody up. 0.99

01:39:04.000 You know, just go in there and kick somebody's fucking ass. 1.00

01:39:06.000 And that's what Tank Abbott used to do. 1.00

01:39:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:39:09.000 Just say whatever you want about Tank Abbott. 1.00

01:39:10.000 That motherfucker never passed on a fight, would fight anybody with an hour's notice. 1.00

01:39:15.000 You know, you could literally call him. 1.00

01:39:17.000 He'd be on a bar stool. 0.99

01:39:18.000 He'd be on a flight the next day, headed to wherever the fuck you wanted him to fight. 1.00

01:39:22.000 Drunk. 0.99

01:39:22.000 He wouldn't fight anybody. 0.99

01:39:23.000 And he would win a lot of those fights.

01:39:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:39:25.000 He was...

01:39:26.000 Hard puncher, huh?

01:39:26.000 Because he had that attitude.

01:39:27.000 He was just ready to get in there and fuck somebody up. 0.99

01:39:30.000 And there's Tito right next to him. 0.99

01:39:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:33.000 Wow, that's an Odie. 1.00

01:39:34.000 Yeah, Tank Abba is a goddamn classic. 0.99

01:39:37.000 He's an American classic, that guy. 0.99

01:39:39.000 Yeah, he is. 0.99

01:39:39.000 He did some wild fucking fights inside the octagon. 0.99

01:39:42.000 Yeah, he did. 1.00

01:39:43.000 Some crazy knockouts, huh? 1.00

01:39:45.000 Yeah, I don't know the last time he fought, but I have a feeling it was like, I want to say it was fairly recently.

01:39:54.000 Yeah, somebody told me that he fought recently.

01:39:57.000 Let me see here.

01:39:58.000 Let's look up in Wikipedia.

01:39:59.000 They'll tell us when the last time he fought.

01:40:01.000 Because I want to say that he fought fairly recently.

01:40:05.000 Yeah, he fought in 2013. Whoa!

01:40:08.000 He lost to Ruben Hurricane Villarreal.

01:40:11.000 That's the same guy that Boss Rutten fought on one of his last fights, too.

01:40:15.000 And he beat Mike Bork in 2009. So he took four years off, came back, and lost in King of the Cage.

01:40:24.000 Wow, that wasn't hyped up at all, huh?

01:40:27.000 No, it was kind of crazy.

01:40:29.000 King of the Cage fighting legends.

01:40:32.000 It was 2013. I would have watched that.

01:40:35.000 Yeah, you probably didn't even know about it.

01:40:37.000 Yeah, that's the problem.

01:40:38.000 Sure.

01:40:39.000 Yeah, it's kind of crazy that it was so, you know, low profile.

01:40:45.000 Before that, he fought Kimbo Slice in 2008. Yeah, yeah.

01:40:49.000 In Miami.

01:40:50.000 That was before Kimbo went to the UFC. He fought Yoshida.

01:40:56.000 He fought Yoshida in Pride.

01:40:59.000 And he got choked.

01:41:02.000 Yeah.

01:41:03.000 It's a lot of fights.

01:41:04.000 Yeah.

01:41:04.000 A lot of fights.

01:41:05.000 Fought a lot, huh?

01:41:05.000 Yeah.

01:41:06.000 I mean, if you look at his career, there's a lot of losses in there, but goddamn, there's some classic fights. 0.90

01:41:11.000 Yeah, there are classic fights. 0.83

01:41:13.000 Matua is one of those.

01:41:15.000 Yeah.

01:41:15.000 That was his first fight.

01:41:16.000 His very first fight.

01:41:18.000 And then Paul Varlins, remember that fight?

01:41:19.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:41:20.000 That was another great fight.

01:41:20.000 There it is.

01:41:22.000 King of the cage.

01:41:23.000 Legends.

01:41:25.000 Oh, wow.

01:41:26.000 Ha, ha, ha.

01:41:27.000 Tank Abbott, gray beard now.

01:41:29.000 Yeah.

01:41:30.000 Still slinging lead.

01:41:34.000 King of the Cage is a place where a lot of guys had their start, right?

01:41:37.000 Yeah, King of the Cage, yeah.

01:41:38.000 Where did you have your first fight?

01:41:41.000 Mine was in Shuto.

01:41:42.000 Shuto.

01:41:43.000 Yeah.

01:41:43.000 Did you fight in Super Bowl or was that Egan?

01:41:45.000 No, Egan.

01:41:45.000 Just Egan fought in Super Bowl.

01:41:46.000 I fought in Super Bowl once, yeah.

01:41:48.000 You fought it once?

01:41:49.000 Yeah.

01:41:49.000 Who'd you fight over there?

01:41:50.000 Tommy Sauer.

01:41:51.000 And Super Bowl was almost like old school Valley Tudo style, right?

01:41:55.000 Yeah.

01:41:55.000 Different rules.

01:41:56.000 Yeah.

01:41:56.000 Because Hawaii had a different set of rules that you were allowed to compete under.

01:42:00.000 Like, what was the rules of Super Bowl?

01:42:03.000 At that time, it was more just like pride rules when I fought.

01:42:07.000 Soccer kicks.

01:42:08.000 Yeah.

01:42:08.000 Knees to the head on the ground.

01:42:09.000 Knees to the head on the ground, yeah.

01:42:11.000 I like those rules.

01:42:12.000 Do you think that MMA in its current form right now, if you could change any of the rules and still keep it a sport, I think that, first of all, 12-6 elbows, that's got to come back.

01:42:25.000 I think 12-6 elbows is a ridiculous thing to have banned. 0.96

01:42:28.000 But I think knees to a grounded opponent would change a lot of shit too. 0.99

01:42:33.000 Even soccer ball kicks I think is okay. 0.99

01:42:35.000 Really?

01:42:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:42:37.000 You're fucking crazy. 1.00

01:42:39.000 I would like those to be in. 1.00

01:42:41.000 The only thing I have a problem with the soccer kicks is the cage.

01:42:43.000 I like the soccer kicks in a ring because you can move your head away, but the fact that you're trapped and you can get kicked and stomped when you're trapped up against the cage, that's the only time that I think that it would be a problem because the guy can't really defend himself because of the environment as opposed to because he's out.

01:43:00.000 That would be just one more danger in the cage.

01:43:03.000 There's a lot of that.

01:43:04.000 That's true.

01:43:05.000 That's true.

01:43:06.000 That's true.

01:43:07.000 People will be keeping their head away from the cage a little more, yeah.

01:43:10.000 When you look back, I mean, your first fight in the UFC, 1997, um, when was your first actual mixed martial arts fight?

01:43:18.000 Oh, 96, yeah.

01:43:21.000 96. That is the early days, man.

01:43:23.000 That was right after Hickson came to Japan.

01:43:26.000 Hickson fought in the Japan Valley.

01:43:28.000 That's what made me want to fight, yeah.

01:43:29.000 Really?

01:43:29.000 Yeah.

01:43:30.000 Wow.

01:43:32.000 That was incredible, man.

01:43:33.000 Those are incredible times.

01:43:34.000 And when you look back at that, and now you see the guys of today, you see like the Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnsons, and you see the John Joneses, the high-level guys, the pound-for-pound best guys of today, man.

01:43:47.000 It's just like a totally different thing.

01:43:49.000 Yes, it is.

01:43:51.000 There's actual fighters that are called mixed martial artists now.

01:43:54.000 Yeah, full mixed martial arts.

01:43:56.000 They can do everything.

01:43:57.000 It's not a karate guy or a wrestler.

01:43:59.000 Yeah, back in the day it was always like that.

01:44:00.000 Your fighter was either a striker, a wrestler, or a ground guy.

01:44:03.000 And it was always a real straight-up strategy to fighting those.

01:44:08.000 But now, man, they can do everything nowadays.

01:44:11.000 I mean, I see the younger fighters coming up nowadays.

01:44:14.000 And some people tell me, like, when you fought, there was no money. 0.99

01:44:18.000 It was so small and shit. 0.99

01:44:21.000 Don't you wish you were growing up in this day and age? 0.99

01:44:23.000 And I'm thinking to myself, I don't know, man.

01:44:26.000 The fighters nowadays, man, they're black belt jiu-jitsu that are professional kickboxers and wrestlers that can fight boxing.

01:44:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:44:35.000 It's like wrestlers with black belt jiu-jitsu.

01:44:38.000 It's unbelievable.

01:44:40.000 And it's getting better.

01:44:41.000 Yeah.

01:44:41.000 It seems to me that it's getting better.

01:44:43.000 I mean, it seems to me that the level keeps rising every year.

01:44:45.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:46.000 The level's just weird.

01:44:47.000 Like TJ Dillashaw?

01:44:48.000 Uh-huh. 1.00

01:44:49.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:44:49.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:44:49.000 What was that? 1.00

01:44:50.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:44:52.000 The kid comes out of nowhere. 1.00

01:44:54.000 Man.

01:44:54.000 I mean, I thought that was going to be a real difficult fight for him.

01:44:57.000 I thought, like, man, Hennon Burrell is a killer.

01:44:59.000 One of the best pound-for-pound guys in the world.

01:45:01.000 And then TJ Dillashaw just goes in there and runs a clinic on him.

01:45:05.000 Yeah.

01:45:06.000 Runs a clinic on him.

01:45:07.000 That was unbelievable.

01:45:08.000 And there's more of those coming.

01:45:09.000 And then knocks him out at the end.

01:45:10.000 Yeah, head kicks him in the fifth round. 1.00

01:45:12.000 And didn't ever fight like he was ahead.

01:45:15.000 Didn't ever fight like he was ahead.

01:45:17.000 Always trying to finish.

01:45:18.000 Crazy.

01:45:19.000 Good fighter, man. 1.00

01:45:20.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:45:20.000 Great fighter. 1.00

01:45:21.000 Is there going to be a rematch on that?

01:45:23.000 I hope so.

01:45:24.000 Yeah, there should be, man.

01:45:25.000 I hope so.

01:45:25.000 Well, there's a lot of great fights at 135. There's so many.

01:45:29.000 Oh, Dominic Cruz.

01:45:31.000 Can you imagine they never had that division before?

01:45:33.000 It's crazy.

01:45:34.000 Yeah?

01:45:35.000 It was just the heavier guys, yeah?

01:45:37.000 Well, I think they're probably going to have a 115, too.

01:45:39.000 They're going to have a straw weight.

01:45:40.000 Oh, wow.

01:45:40.000 Really?

01:45:41.000 Yeah.

01:45:41.000 Well, there's a lot of great fighters in other countries, especially.

01:45:44.000 A lot of great Japanese guys, 115. A lot of Brazilian guys, 115. I think that and a few more women weight classes would be good, too.

01:45:52.000 I think they're going to do a 125 women's weight class. 1.00

01:45:55.000 Yeah.

01:45:55.000 Maybe a 115 as well.

01:45:57.000 Yeah.

01:45:58.000 That'll be big.

01:45:59.000 That's good, yeah.

01:46:00.000 It's amazing times.

01:46:01.000 It's exciting, man.

01:46:02.000 Exciting.

01:46:02.000 Do you have pride when you look back and you think that you were like, I mean, you were one of the real pioneers of the fastest growing sport the world has ever seen.

01:46:11.000 There's never been a time in my lifetime, there's never been a time where a sport was introduced and became this gigantic thing over a matter of a decade, two decades, and grew.

01:46:22.000 Unbelievable how fast it grew.

01:46:24.000 Yeah, and grew the way the UFC has grown.

01:46:27.000 Yeah, unreal, huh?

01:46:27.000 There's nothing like that.

01:46:29.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

01:46:31.000 Do you look back at that and go, wow, I was in a special time in life?

01:46:36.000 Well, I look back at that and say, yeah, I love what's happening.

01:46:39.000 I mean, my life is made by MMA. And I just appreciate all the things Dana's doing, the people who are making it big.

01:46:48.000 And you ask if I have pride in that.

01:46:50.000 Not really, because I don't feel like I'm the one who did all this.

01:46:55.000 I just feel I was a lucky person to be The person that was actually there in the beginning to see what it was like when it was banned in states.

01:47:06.000 Whenever someone heard you were a mixed martial arts fighter, they said, oh, so you beat people up for a living.

01:47:10.000 Or human cockfighting.

01:47:12.000 Back in that day when it was frowned upon.

01:47:16.000 Now it's a cool thing.

01:47:18.000 It's so nice to see that change.

01:47:21.000 Yeah, it is nice to see that change.

01:47:22.000 When I first was working on a sitcom, I was on a sitcom news radio, and it was when I first started doing the post-fight interviews back when I interviewed you.

01:47:30.000 It was one of the first events.

01:47:31.000 That was the second event I ever worked at.

01:47:33.000 And I would tell people that I was going, you know, I was like, where were we at?

01:47:38.000 Augusta, Georgia or something like that?

01:47:40.000 Yeah, Augusta, Georgia.

01:47:42.000 And I remember telling people that I was going to go work for the UFC interviewing fighters after their matches. 0.97

01:47:47.000 And they looked at me like I was fucking crazy. 0.95

01:47:49.000 Like I was involved in dogfighting or something. 0.99

01:47:51.000 That's what it was like.

01:47:52.000 Like I was involved in porn or something like that.

01:47:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:47:55.000 It was like that, yeah.

01:47:57.000 Now, you know, people say, what do you do?

01:47:59.000 I say, oh, I do commentary for the UFC. They go, oh, I love that.

01:48:02.000 All right.

01:48:03.000 My husband loves that.

01:48:04.000 Isn't it awesome to see that change, though?

01:48:06.000 It's amazing.

01:48:06.000 Yeah, when I see that, I mean, think that I'm, you know, I was back in it.

01:48:11.000 I was lucky enough to be a part of that.

01:48:13.000 That's what I feel.

01:48:14.000 Yeah.

01:48:14.000 Back in the day, man.

01:48:16.000 I can only imagine from your position.

01:48:18.000 From my position, I feel very lucky, but obviously I'm like an outsider watching and commenting on it.

01:48:23.000 You were like in the heat of the battle itself.

01:48:25.000 What are we on now?

01:48:26.000 UFC what?

01:48:27.000 175. 175, yeah.

01:48:29.000 I was in 13, huh? 1.00

01:48:30.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:48:32.000 I know. 1.00

01:48:33.000 13. Well, not only that, you were not just at one...

01:48:36.000 I think the position that you were at, at UFC 12, I think, in my opinion, the sport changed radically around UFC 12 because of Vitor.

01:48:45.000 I think when Vitor entered into the cage, won that tournament at 19 years old at UFC 12, the whole game changed because you got to see...

01:48:55.000 Really high-level striking from a jiu-jitsu black belt.

01:48:58.000 And he was light, but he was fast.

01:49:01.000 He was a total new specimen.

01:49:04.000 I mean, it wasn't the Vitor that fought Randy Couture.

01:49:08.000 I think that Vitor got too big.

01:49:10.000 He got up to like 240. He was just too jacked.

01:49:13.000 But when he fought at UFC... 205. Yeah, he was like 205 at UFC 12, shredded.

01:49:19.000 Strong, explosive. 0.99

01:49:20.000 Fast as fuck! 1.00

01:49:22.000 Goddamn! 1.00

01:49:23.000 And when we first saw him in his first couple of fights, man, it was just like this was a new athlete, completely new person. 0.99

01:49:30.000 We'd never seen a skill level like that as far as his hand speed, the boxing combinations that he put together.

01:49:38.000 Nobody had seen that before.

01:49:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:49:41.000 You know, I think that you came at that time, you came as a sport was just exponentially expanding and you were starting to see like real world-class athletes.

01:49:50.000 I think when time, when we look in the future and they look back at this era, like the era between 1993 and 2008. Not only around today, but still fighting at the highest level.

01:50:04.000 Which brings up another point. 0.99

01:50:06.000 How do you feel about all this testosterone replacement shit? 0.99

01:50:11.000 I wouldn't do it. 0.99

01:50:13.000 If I was fighting, I wouldn't do it.

01:50:17.000 I just, I don't know if I'm for it or against it.

01:50:21.000 I mean, if some fighter wants to do it, I wouldn't have a problem if my opponent did it.

01:50:26.000 You wouldn't have a problem with your opponent doing it, but you wouldn't do it?

01:50:29.000 Yeah, I wouldn't do it.

01:50:30.000 Why wouldn't you do it?

01:50:33.000 I guess I don't know the real effects to it.

01:50:37.000 And I feel like I could get in shape enough to fight without it.

01:50:43.000 John Fitch said something really interesting once.

01:50:46.000 I talked to him about it, and he said, when I get older, he said I would definitely take hormone replacement therapy, but not when I'm fighting.

01:50:51.000 He said, I want to know that everything I did, I did because I did it.

01:50:56.000 I did with my hard work, and I did with my mind.

01:50:59.000 You know, and that was Fitch's attitude.

01:51:01.000 I thought that was very admirable.

01:51:03.000 You know, he's a real man.

01:51:05.000 You know, Fitch lives by the sword, dies by the sword. 0.99

01:51:08.000 And that attitude, that wasn't just some talk and bullshit. 0.99

01:51:12.000 I mean, he's never been popped for PEDs. 0.99

01:51:13.000 He doesn't look like he's doing them.

01:51:15.000 Always looks the same. 0.99

01:51:16.000 He's just a tough motherfucker, a hard-nosed wrestler who became a great mixed martial arts fighter. 0.99

01:51:21.000 But that attitude was, you know, he wanted to know that he did it all himself. 0.99

01:51:27.000 We see guys like, you know, Vitor.

01:51:29.000 It's a perfect example.

01:51:30.000 Vitor got on TRT, got on testosterone replacement therapy, and became this...

01:51:36.000 He had this resurgence where you saw Vitor from the old days, the Trey Telegman fight.

01:51:41.000 He was 19 years old.

01:51:43.000 He was a phenom.

01:51:44.000 But Vitor, a lot of folks don't know, post the Randy Couture fight, after Randy Couture beat him...

01:51:49.000 He went into a dark period where he wasn't very good for a while.

01:51:53.000 Sakuraba beat him up.

01:51:54.000 A lot of guys beat him.

01:51:55.000 Aleister Overeem submitted him.

01:51:57.000 He wasn't the same guy anymore.

01:51:59.000 He lost his confidence for whatever reason.

01:52:02.000 Dan Henderson beat him.

01:52:03.000 And then...

01:52:05.000 He fought in the UFC, had some good fights, but it didn't look like the same guy.

01:52:10.000 Didn't look shredded. 1.00

01:52:12.000 Got on testosterone replacement, and then all of a sudden shot through the fucking roof and became this motherfucker again. 1.00

01:52:19.000 So I could see both... 1.00

01:52:21.000 See, that's the one on the left is him pre-testosterone, and the one on the right is post-testosterone.

01:52:28.000 I mean, I could see...

01:52:29.000 But this is the weigh-ins photos, by the way.

01:52:30.000 These guys are completely dehydrated.

01:52:32.000 They don't look good.

01:52:33.000 They're sick.

01:52:35.000 I mean, when you're weighing in, your body's completely dried out.

01:52:40.000 Vito probably loses 10, 15 pounds easily just to make weight. 0.95

01:52:44.000 But the resurgence when you saw him fight Michael Bisping, Luke Rockhold, and then the rematch with Dan Henderson, he was so fucking good. 0.82

01:52:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:55.000 And it makes you wonder, like, what is it?

01:52:57.000 Is that testosterone?

01:52:59.000 Is it hard work?

01:53:00.000 Is it the testosterone that allows them to work hard?

01:53:03.000 Like, where is a kind of gray area?

01:53:05.000 Like, where do you draw the line there?

01:53:06.000 Well, it's definitely with hard work.

01:53:07.000 Definitely.

01:53:08.000 You can't just take testosterone and get good.

01:53:10.000 Yeah.

01:53:10.000 It allows you to work harder, I think.

01:53:12.000 Exactly.

01:53:13.000 Definitely hard work and definitely talent and definitely his mind.

01:53:16.000 Yeah, confidence, yeah.

01:53:18.000 But that's the thing about the testosterone.

01:53:20.000 It allows you to get that crazy gorilla confidence. 0.87

01:53:24.000 It changes the game, right?

01:53:25.000 Yeah, it does.

01:53:26.000 But you know the thing is, as much as people are against it, isn't it kind of cool to see him, all the fights he put out because he's on it?

01:53:33.000 That's a good point.

01:53:34.000 It's like bodybuilding, yeah. 0.98

01:53:35.000 People are like, fuck steroids and stuff, but when they go to watch bodybuilding, they ooh and ah at the muscle tone and the size, and it's like, I'm against steroids, but you go there and you love the bodybuilding. 0.99

01:53:46.000 It's like a... 1.00

01:53:48.000 Give and take, yeah.

01:53:49.000 Yeah, well, bodybuilding without steroids is almost non-existent today.

01:53:53.000 Yeah, true.

01:53:53.000 None of those guys are clean.

01:53:55.000 You can't get that big and be clean.

01:53:57.000 You might be clean for the last year.

01:54:00.000 Do they even test? 1.00

01:54:01.000 I don't know what tests they do with bodybuilding, but it's got to be horse shit, you know? 0.99

01:54:06.000 If somebody tests positive in a bodybuilding competition, it's probably because they pissed off their promoter. 1.00

01:54:11.000 And they said, test that motherfucker. 1.00

01:54:12.000 Yeah, for real. 1.00

01:54:14.000 Test them for real.

01:54:16.000 This time.

01:54:17.000 In Pride, did they test you at all in Pride?

01:54:19.000 No, they had a, I mean, you didn't know that they had a clause in the contract?

01:54:24.000 What clause?

01:54:25.000 They had a clause that said what they test for.

01:54:27.000 Oh, and they don't test for steroids.

01:54:28.000 They test for weed, they test for cocaine.

01:54:32.000 They had a whole list.

01:54:34.000 And not only did the steroids not, wasn't on that list, they had a sentence after that saying, we do not test for steroids.

01:54:41.000 Wow!

01:54:42.000 Yeah, so it was kind of crazy.

01:54:44.000 Jason Chambers, that show Human Weapon, he fought MMA a bunch of times.

01:54:51.000 He's a friend of mine.

01:54:53.000 They were trying to get him to fight in Pride, and they wanted him to fight at 185. And he was like, but I weigh 170. And I was like, yeah.

01:55:03.000 Just do steroids.

01:55:04.000 And they were telling him to do steroids.

01:55:06.000 And he was like, what?

01:55:08.000 They were telling him, because he's a handsome guy, they're like, you should fight at 185. And he's like, wait, what?

01:55:14.000 They wanted him to juice up and look big and muscular and fight at 185. And he was like, I'm not 185, guys.

01:55:21.000 You know, I heard a lot of stories about how Pride used to really bully the fighters around.

01:55:26.000 Yeah, you never experienced that. 1.00

01:55:27.000 No, they used to kiss my ass, man. 1.00

01:55:29.000 Really? 0.99

01:55:30.000 It was weird because I remember Mark Kerr saying something about how Rampage was caught up like one week before the Sakuraba fight.

01:55:36.000 And if he didn't take it, they told him something like you'd never fight in Japan again or something.

01:55:41.000 Like bullying him around like that.

01:55:43.000 And the same people that are bullying him around are the people that I see.

01:55:47.000 And I can't even imagine that side of character from them.

01:55:50.000 Do you think it's an exaggeration?

01:55:52.000 Like maybe you're not getting the full story from them?

01:55:55.000 I think it's a play of those Japanese.

01:55:58.000 They know what they can do. 1.00

01:56:00.000 Your dog is the most obedient dog to you, but then when your friend takes care of him, he's pissing all over the place and barking and shit. 0.99

01:56:07.000 I think it's the same thing. 0.99

01:56:09.000 They know what they can get away with.

01:56:10.000 Yeah, my friend Eddie Bravo was over at my house once, and he was scared of my dog.

01:56:15.000 And so my dog attacked the cat in front of him because he knew that Eddie was scared of the dog.

01:56:22.000 He's like, Eddie, he just decided that he's the boss. 0.99

01:56:24.000 Because the dog, because I was taking a shit. 0.99

01:56:27.000 He freaked out and he started screaming and I had to run in and rescue the cat. 0.99

01:56:30.000 But he just decided that Eddie was a punk.

01:56:33.000 Because Eddie was scared of him and he could feel it. 1.00

01:56:35.000 So he decided, I've been wanting to bite this fucking cat for a while. 0.99

01:56:38.000 So he went... 0.99

01:56:41.000 But it was a clear example of that because Eddie wasn't used to being around big dogs.

01:56:46.000 He didn't know how to handle them.

01:56:48.000 He didn't know you just got to be friendly with the dog.

01:56:51.000 So Eddie was like, oh.

01:56:53.000 He was always like this around the dogs. 1.00

01:56:54.000 The dog was like, this motherfucker's scared. 1.00

01:56:56.000 I think I'm running shit here. 1.00

01:56:59.000 But it was a clear example. 0.99

01:57:00.000 He wouldn't The dog would never do that in front of me.

01:57:02.000 The dog would never attack the cat in front of me.

01:57:04.000 But in front of Eddie, he just decided, it's time.

01:57:07.000 That's a good example, I think.

01:57:09.000 It's a perfect example.

01:57:10.000 Yeah, so they bullied those guys around and these guys would...

01:57:13.000 Do you remember the Guy Mencer incident with me?

01:57:16.000 What happened with Guy Mencer?

01:57:17.000 When he fought Egan and then we had a little thing in the ring with him.

01:57:22.000 Yeah, what happened then?

01:57:23.000 Well, he was supposed to...

01:57:24.000 Apparently, this is what he said was he was supposed to call me out in a bad way.

01:57:30.000 I just retired.

01:57:31.000 Right.

01:57:32.000 And he beat Egan and...

01:57:34.000 They told him to call you out.

01:57:35.000 They told him to do that.

01:57:36.000 And they told him that I knew about it. 0.99

01:57:38.000 So it's like some protesting bullshit thing. 0.99

01:57:40.000 Right. 0.99

01:57:40.000 But I knew nothing about it. 0.99

01:57:42.000 So, I'm here, I go into the ring, after Egan loses, and I'm just going, you know how you go check on your fighter?

01:57:47.000 I checked on Egan, you okay?

01:57:49.000 Everything's okay?

01:57:49.000 And the guy walks up to me and says, it's not personal.

01:57:54.000 I'm like, what's not personal?

01:57:56.000 You beat up my brother.

01:57:57.000 Of course it's not personal.

01:57:58.000 He goes, congratulations.

01:57:59.000 He goes, no, no, no, what I have to do?

01:58:01.000 I said, what are you talking about?

01:58:02.000 And if you see the video, I'm shaking his hand.

01:58:05.000 And he's telling me that I was shaking his hand, and I'm like, I don't let go of his hand, and we're like, I'm guiding him into the corner, like, what do you mean?

01:58:12.000 What are you gonna do?

01:58:14.000 And he goes, I gotta call you out.

01:58:16.000 I said, you know, I'm retired.

01:58:17.000 He goes, yeah, but it's in my contract. 1.00

01:58:19.000 I said, no, no, fuck you. 1.00

01:58:21.000 I said, I told him, if you don't want to do it, don't fucking do it. 1.00

01:58:24.000 And he goes, Anson, I gotta do it. 0.99

01:58:25.000 I said, don't fucking do it if you don't want to do it. 0.99

01:58:27.000 And then I realized that the way Pride plays that shit with the fighters, and I realized, you know, Guy was in this position that, you know, he really couldn't do anything about. 0.99

01:58:37.000 And so I was like, you know, it's not Guy's deal. 0.99

01:58:39.000 You know, Guy's not the bad guy here. 0.75

01:58:40.000 And it's like, So he turned around, and he did it different, though he didn't be a dick about it.

01:58:45.000 He kind of went and he said something about, yeah, the better fight would have been with his younger brother, Ensign.

01:58:52.000 But after that, the...

01:58:54.000 It's all in the book too, but after that I went to the locker room and I guess, I don't know, I think Gary Goodrich was in my locker room.

01:59:01.000 Igor was in the locker room. 0.99

01:59:02.000 Those fighters all saw this happen, but I went on a rampage calling for the president of Pride to come in and see me right now because that's bullshit. 1.00

01:59:09.000 This protesting bullshit doesn't work. 1.00

01:59:11.000 Wow. 1.00

01:59:12.000 And they wouldn't bring him.

01:59:13.000 So I would, I was, you know the little staff guys, I was kicking them around, telling them to get the president.

01:59:19.000 And one of the guys come in, this guy called Kawasaki.

01:59:22.000 He was a matchmaker for Pride.

01:59:24.000 And I got on him and threw him on the ground.

01:59:27.000 Really?

01:59:28.000 Yeah, it was a huge thing.

01:59:29.000 You threw him on the ground?

01:59:30.000 I threw him on the ground and mounted him.

01:59:32.000 And then Egan stopped me.

01:59:33.000 And then I told him, I don't want to see you.

01:59:35.000 I want to see Morista, the president.

01:59:36.000 That's when he was alive.

01:59:38.000 And, of course, in the middle of the events, the president just can't come in.

01:59:42.000 But the vice president comes in.

01:59:44.000 And then he sits me down.

01:59:45.000 He says, you know, we didn't know nothing.

01:59:46.000 We'll get to the bottom of this.

01:59:47.000 But according to a guy, that's the guy he talked to.

01:59:51.000 So it was in the contract that he was supposed to call you out.

01:59:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:59:54.000 And then the president wound up dead, strangled, hung himself on a fucking shower rod or something. 1.00

02:00:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:00:03.000 That's a weird one, huh?

02:00:05.000 Yeah!

02:00:05.000 Because I talked to him a week before that and he told me that, I remember he telling me that he likes the way I fight and he wants fighters to fight more like me.

02:00:14.000 I remember him telling me that.

02:00:15.000 He had a big image about changing the fight game into more of aggressive fighters.

02:00:19.000 But wasn't the death was very controversial?

02:00:23.000 Yeah, it wasn't suicide.

02:00:26.000 Yeah, it didn't seem like...

02:00:27.000 It seems like it's really hard to do a chin-up from a shower curtain.

02:00:31.000 Yeah, he didn't.

02:00:32.000 I mean, how can you...

02:00:33.000 Those rods are not that strong.

02:00:34.000 Yeah.

02:00:35.000 How can you even hang yourself with one of those?

02:00:38.000 Can you?

02:00:39.000 He did the wrong...

02:00:40.000 He pissed off the wrong people.

02:00:43.000 Allegedly.

02:00:43.000 Yeah, allegedly.

02:00:45.000 Allegedly.

02:00:45.000 Let's leave it at that.

02:00:46.000 What was it like in that day, like dealing with that aspect of mixed martial arts?

02:00:53.000 Like it wasn't just mixed martial arts like it is in the UFC where it's a business and there's promoters and there's, you know, they have an agenda to try to promote to the fans and try to make money.

02:01:02.000 But you were dealing with a very intense organized crime aspect to it.

02:01:08.000 Mm-hmm.

02:01:08.000 What was that like?

02:01:09.000 It was good.

02:01:10.000 Good?

02:01:11.000 Better?

02:01:11.000 For me, yeah.

02:01:11.000 Because of who I was and the respect that I have from the underworld people in Japan.

02:01:16.000 It helped me.

02:01:17.000 That's why they didn't dick me around and everything was straight up.

02:01:21.000 Did they support Japanese fighters more there?

02:01:24.000 Like, were they excited about Japanese fighters?

02:01:25.000 Yes, they wanted the Japanese fighters to win.

02:01:27.000 Guys like Yoshida?

02:01:29.000 Yeah.

02:01:30.000 Well, back in our day, there was some more Sakuraba, Shoji, Matsui, you know, all those fighters.

02:01:35.000 They wanted to promote those guys so they win, yeah. 0.95

02:01:38.000 Takada.

02:01:39.000 Takada, yeah.

02:01:39.000 Who was a pro wrestler.

02:01:40.000 That was an interesting situation too, right? 1.00

02:01:42.000 Yeah, he was a pussy. 0.99

02:01:43.000 Well, he was a weird one because he was one of the few guys that was in a very obvious fixed fight. 1.00

02:01:48.000 His fight with Mark Coleman.

02:01:49.000 Yeah.

02:01:50.000 Pull up that.

02:01:51.000 Pull up Takata versus Mark Coleman.

02:01:53.000 Yeah.

02:01:53.000 Because this is one of the few fights that I love Mark Coleman.

02:01:56.000 But Mark Coleman never admitted that he did that.

02:02:00.000 But I'm sure that that's what happened.

02:02:02.000 Mark would never lose to Takata.

02:02:04.000 Well, not that way either.

02:02:05.000 No way, yeah.

02:02:05.000 I mean, the way he tapped to the heel hook, it was total pro wrestling.

02:02:09.000 I was like, no, I don't want to tap.

02:02:11.000 I got to tap.

02:02:12.000 It was like a movie tap.

02:02:17.000 It was weird. 1.00

02:02:18.000 Well, Takana's a fag. 1.00

02:02:20.000 Really? 1.00

02:02:20.000 Yeah, straight up, he's a fag. 1.00

02:02:22.000 What is his background? 1.00

02:02:24.000 He's just a wrestler.

02:02:25.000 But does he have martial arts skills?

02:02:27.000 I saw him on the street.

02:02:27.000 I saw him in a street incident.

02:02:29.000 He fagged out. 1.00

02:02:30.000 What happened?

02:02:30.000 I was in a club.

02:02:31.000 My friend was...

02:02:33.000 My students were...

02:02:34.000 Ricky Fukuda was the security there.

02:02:39.000 So here, you see Coleman, he's like punching him in the leg.

02:02:42.000 It's so fake.

02:02:43.000 Yeah, and you can see his punches.

02:02:45.000 Coleman sits at all in his punches, but that one he's not.

02:02:47.000 It's the arm punches.

02:02:48.000 Yeah, he's barely, barely punching him.

02:02:51.000 And this was like back when Coleman had won the Heavyweight Grand Prix, right?

02:02:55.000 Yeah, look at this.

02:02:55.000 He's punching the leg.

02:02:57.000 Like, what is that about?

02:02:58.000 These leg punches?

02:02:59.000 Like, come on, man.

02:03:01.000 Mark Coleman was not about little baby punches to the leg.

02:03:03.000 That's not Mark Coleman punches.

02:03:04.000 Yeah, even if he did punch the leg, it'd be heavy punches.

02:03:07.000 Yeah, well, everything he did was heavy.

02:03:10.000 You know, it's the godfather of ground and pound.

02:03:12.000 And so he gets on top of him, and he gives up his leg here.

02:03:16.000 And look at this.

02:03:17.000 I mean, he has given up the leg here.

02:03:19.000 He rolls with a little bit...

02:03:24.000 First of all, Takata's not even a heel hook.

02:03:26.000 He's not even turning it.

02:03:29.000 I mean, look at that.

02:03:30.000 He taps.

02:03:31.000 But that heel hook was a terrible heel hook. 1.00

02:03:33.000 He wasn't even turning it.

02:03:35.000 He was just holding it.

02:03:37.000 In a ten-step process, he got to eight and then just hung on at eight.

02:03:45.000 I'm not against pro wrestling, but I am against pro wrestling being done in the mixed martial arts ring.

02:03:50.000 Wasn't that a weird part of Pride?

02:03:52.000 There was a lot of pro wrestling guys that fought in Pride, but a lot of them legit guys.

02:04:00.000 Who's Diet Butcher? 0.71

02:04:04.000 Otsuka.

02:04:05.000 Yeah.

02:04:06.000 That guy was tough.

02:04:07.000 Tough.

02:04:07.000 Yeah.

02:04:08.000 Very tough.

02:04:09.000 And started out as a pro wrestler.

02:04:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:04:12.000 And what was Diet Butcher?

02:04:13.000 What was that thing?

02:04:14.000 I don't know.

02:04:14.000 It's just a thing that he always had on his pants.

02:04:17.000 I don't know.

02:04:17.000 That was his nickname, I think.

02:04:19.000 I don't know.

02:04:20.000 But the pro wrestling guys were the guys that had brought a lot of fans.

02:04:26.000 Sort of like Brock Lesnar.

02:04:28.000 That brought a lot of fans to watch.

02:04:30.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:04:33.000 And Takata was one of those guys, right? 0.97

02:04:35.000 He's a fake.

02:04:36.000 So what was the street situation with Ricky Fukuda?

02:04:42.000 I was training with him at the time, and I got him a job at a security club that we hung out at.

02:04:48.000 So we went to the club, and I remember Takata was there at the club.

02:04:54.000 And he said hi to me and stuff.

02:04:56.000 Just like, hi, what's up?

02:04:58.000 And that's it.

02:04:58.000 And then I heard there was like a big riot at the top.

02:05:01.000 So I'm worried about Ricky making sure that he's okay.

02:05:04.000 So I went upstairs to check on it.

02:05:06.000 And there was this huge mob, almost like bees moving across the street.

02:05:12.000 And I was like, who's fighting?

02:05:14.000 I don't know who's fighting.

02:05:15.000 What's going on?

02:05:16.000 What's going on?

02:05:16.000 And I noticed some of the guys is a group called the Kantorengo in Japan.

02:05:20.000 This is like a gang. 0.99

02:05:22.000 They're not Yakuza, but they're like a gang of kids that don't give a fuck. 0.99

02:05:26.000 And they just get into... 1.00

02:05:27.000 They beat people up.

02:05:29.000 I mean, with bats and all kinds of stuff.

02:05:31.000 But I noticed a couple of them.

02:05:32.000 I knew who they are.

02:05:33.000 So I went and followed that thing to make sure that everything was okay with Ricky.

02:05:38.000 Ricky's not involved in everything.

02:05:39.000 And I went there.

02:05:41.000 And...

02:05:41.000 In the beehive, when we get to the back, one guy breaks free.

02:05:46.000 And it's this rugby player.

02:05:49.000 And he's running down. 0.99

02:05:50.000 And his face is all fucked up already. 0.99

02:05:52.000 And he's running down the street. 0.99

02:05:54.000 And Takata's running after him.

02:05:56.000 And Takata sees me and he goes, Ensign, help!

02:05:58.000 They're going to kill us!

02:05:59.000 Help! 0.98

02:06:00.000 Help! 0.98

02:06:01.000 And Takata's not touched.

02:06:02.000 He has no scratches, not a bruise on his face.

02:06:05.000 And then those guys ran by me and I'm still wondering what's going on. 0.99

02:06:10.000 I'm like, whoa, shit, something. 0.97

02:06:11.000 And they ran by me and they caught up to the rugby guy, tackled him. 0.99

02:06:15.000 These gangsters tackled this rugby guy, had him and started working him again. 0.80

02:06:20.000 Kicking him in the face, flower pot on the head, everything.

02:06:23.000 And you know what Takata's doing? 0.99

02:06:25.000 He's standing on the side, screaming his lungs off.

02:06:28.000 Stop it.

02:06:29.000 Stop it.

02:06:30.000 Not doing anything about it. 1.00

02:06:32.000 And he's fucking huge. 0.99

02:06:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:06:33.000 Giant dude. 0.99

02:06:34.000 He's not grabbing anybody.

02:06:35.000 He's not physically stopping anybody.

02:06:37.000 He refused to physically get involved.

02:06:39.000 And he sees me come.

02:06:40.000 He goes, stop him.

02:06:41.000 Stop him.

02:06:42.000 Stop him.

02:06:42.000 I'm like, dude, that's your friend.

02:06:44.000 So I click in my head thinking I can kill two birds with one stone.

02:06:50.000 I can help Takata.

02:06:51.000 And I can help these guys.

02:06:52.000 Because this fight was going on for like eight minutes already.

02:06:55.000 And the cops are probably on the way.

02:06:57.000 So I think these guys got to get out of here.

02:06:59.000 Because the cops are coming.

02:07:00.000 So I'm grabbing these guys, throwing them in their van.

02:07:04.000 And as I'm getting another guy, I got other guys coming out. 0.76

02:07:07.000 It was like ridiculous.

02:07:08.000 I was trying to get them in the car. 0.98

02:07:10.000 Fired them, got them in the car, got away.

02:07:12.000 They got away right when the police are coming.

02:07:14.000 High speed chase.

02:07:15.000 They actually got caught up the street.

02:07:16.000 Put in prison.

02:07:18.000 And nothing from Takara.

02:07:21.000 Not a thank you.

02:07:22.000 Not a what's up.

02:07:23.000 Nothing from Takara.

02:07:26.000 And I haven't talked to him since that day.

02:07:28.000 What does that guy do now?

02:07:29.000 I don't know.

02:07:30.000 He does some acting.

02:07:32.000 He acts?

02:07:32.000 That's good.

02:07:33.000 He's probably better at that than fighting.

02:07:35.000 He was doing that in the ring!

02:07:36.000 It was a little bit of that.

02:07:37.000 Yeah, so I have no respect for Takata at all.

02:07:41.000 And if he comes up to me in Japan and tries to shake my hand, I'm not going to shake his hand. 0.83

02:07:44.000 I'll tell him before I shake your hand, don't you have something to say to me? 1.00

02:07:47.000 Because I saved him on that, and he's such a pussy. 1.00

02:07:52.000 And you know what's real upsetting for me? 1.00

02:07:54.000 To see him in the ring...

02:07:56.000 At the Pride and looking at Sylvan saying, are you a man?

02:07:59.000 Looking at Rampage, are you a man?

02:08:00.000 Are you a man?

02:08:01.000 Is that what he did?

02:08:03.000 Yeah, in Japanese he was saying it.

02:08:06.000 Like, it was about the tournament, I think.

02:08:08.000 Are you a man?

02:08:09.000 Are you a man?

02:08:10.000 So the big theme was being a man. 1.00

02:08:12.000 And I think, God, this is the biggest pussy. 1.00

02:08:15.000 It's asking people if they're a man, you know? 1.00

02:08:18.000 Remember when he fought Hickson?

02:08:20.000 Yeah.

02:08:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:08:21.000 Hickson just fucking worked him. 0.99

02:08:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:08:24.000 That was, I mean, everyone who knew how shitty Takara was knew that Hickson was going to kick his ass, but... 0.98

02:08:30.000 For the Japanese people, it was huge because Takada was this big hero. 0.98

02:08:33.000 Yeah, that was Hickson in the special time, too.

02:08:36.000 Yeah, I can wish Hickson fought in the UFC, man.

02:08:39.000 It's one of my biggest regrets as a fan.

02:08:41.000 One of my biggest regrets as a fan is that Hickson in his prime didn't fight all the top guys.

02:08:45.000 I would have loved to have seen Hickson versus Coleman.

02:08:48.000 I would have loved to have seen Hickson versus Mark Kerr.

02:08:52.000 I would have loved to have seen him versus a lot of guys, man.

02:08:54.000 Could have been some amazing fights.

02:08:56.000 I mean, we got to see him versus Funaki, who was legit. 0.77

02:09:00.000 Funaki was legit.

02:09:01.000 Yeah, he was legit, yeah.

02:09:01.000 That was a good fight, and Hickson got hurt.

02:09:04.000 He got a ruptured orbital, fractured orbital in that fight.

02:09:07.000 His eyes swole up, and then he had to finish Funaki, and Funaki just went to sleep.

02:09:11.000 Didn't even tap out.

02:09:12.000 And retired right after that. 0.97

02:09:13.000 Yeah, I respect the shit out of that. 0.92

02:09:15.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.96

02:09:15.000 Yeah, I mean, Hickson got on top of him, and remember he gift-wrapped that arm across, and he was holding onto his arm and just beat him down, then took his back and choked him to sleep. 0.96

02:09:24.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:09:24.000 That was an intense fight, and that was a real fucking fight. 0.97

02:09:27.000 Yeah, I feel like he's good. 0.98

02:09:29.000 That was Hickson's last fight, too.

02:09:31.000 Oh, was it?

02:09:31.000 Yeah, that was Coliseum in 2000. 2000, 14 years ago.

02:09:35.000 Yeah, 14 years ago.

02:09:37.000 And Hickson was still talking about fighting years later when Fedor was the champ of pride. 0.98

02:09:46.000 Hickson wanted a lot of fucking money, but he still wanted to fight. 0.97

02:09:49.000 He wanted to fight the best guys. 0.99

02:09:50.000 But for whatever reason, it never happened.

02:09:52.000 Never happened, though.

02:09:53.000 Yeah, because I went to dinner with Hickson and his wife and his family, and his wife didn't want him to do it.

02:09:58.000 She didn't want him to do it.

02:10:00.000 They're separated, though.

02:10:01.000 Yeah.

02:10:01.000 But Hickson was like, that's the guy I would want to fight.

02:10:04.000 Yeah, this is the end.

02:10:05.000 This is when Hickson was at his best.

02:10:06.000 And I think Hickson was probably around 40 then, too.

02:10:09.000 Yeah, he was, yeah.

02:10:10.000 And he was, you know, still at his best.

02:10:14.000 And he was big too for this fight.

02:10:16.000 He got muscular.

02:10:17.000 Probably the most muscular and the strongest he got for any fight. 0.99

02:10:20.000 Because Funaki was no fucking joke, man. 0.99

02:10:23.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:10:23.000 But he got his back and here it is. 0.98

02:10:25.000 Got that rear naked on and boom. 1.00

02:10:26.000 Funaki just... 0.98

02:10:27.000 You see him right there.

02:10:28.000 He's out. 0.99

02:10:29.000 He's just sitting there out fucking cold. 1.00

02:10:34.000 He kicks and kicks him off. 0.99

02:10:37.000 Yeah, and he's not an easy guy to choke out to.

02:10:39.000 Hickson made it look so easy, huh?

02:10:41.000 Something special, man.

02:10:42.000 I mean, when you talk to all the different jiu-jitsu practitioners that have trained with Hickson, none of them come away and go, eh.

02:10:49.000 There's a lot of hype.

02:10:50.000 None of them.

02:10:51.000 Not a single one.

02:10:52.000 Every single one would talk about Hickson saying he's the best.

02:10:56.000 Yeah.

02:10:57.000 Unbelievable, huh?

02:10:58.000 Yeah.

02:10:59.000 You know, I got to hang out with him one night and talk positions with him and strategy and stuff like that.

02:11:05.000 Fascinating, you know?

02:11:06.000 Oh, yeah.

02:11:07.000 Fascinating.

02:11:07.000 Fascinating watching him break down fights, too.

02:11:10.000 Watching him fight, watching him watch fights with top guys like Mario Sperry and stuff like that, but just showing all the holes in their game.

02:11:17.000 Really, huh?

02:11:17.000 Showing all the things they're doing wrong.

02:11:19.000 Yeah.

02:11:19.000 Yeah, Hickson.

02:11:20.000 He's an elite of the elites, you know?

02:11:24.000 Mm-hmm.

02:11:25.000 I would have loved to get a chance to roll with him, man.

02:11:27.000 I got to, but I was a white belt, so...

02:11:29.000 Yeah.

02:11:29.000 Everyone asks me, did you get to roll with Hickson?

02:11:31.000 I'm like, yeah, kind of, yeah, but no, you know?

02:11:34.000 Yeah.

02:11:34.000 He's like, I was a white belt, and he was, you know, Hickson.

02:11:39.000 And of course, he's not going to go hard on the white belt. 0.67

02:11:42.000 So he kind of just rolled with us and just beat us up.

02:11:45.000 Yeah.

02:11:45.000 So I didn't really get to feel Hickson.

02:11:47.000 Right.

02:11:48.000 Hickson.

02:11:48.000 So I actually, in a way, kind of, no, not really.

02:11:51.000 I did, but no, not really.

02:11:53.000 Yeah.

02:11:54.000 Yeah, even if I did, it might as well be me being a white belt.

02:11:57.000 It's the same thing.

02:11:59.000 That's what's really crazy.

02:12:00.000 I try to tell people there's levels of black belt.

02:12:04.000 You could be a black belt and then you roll up Marcelo Garcia and you get treated like a white belt. 0.93

02:12:08.000 You're still going to get strangled. 0.88

02:12:11.000 I already lines up all the black belts in Brazil and submits them all. 1.00

02:12:15.000 Hickson?

02:12:15.000 Yeah, that's what I heard he used to do every year.

02:12:17.000 I don't know about now, but back in the day, he used to go to Brazil and line up all the black belts and actually submit everyone one by one.

02:12:24.000 Yeah, he used to do that, for sure.

02:12:25.000 That's unbelievable.

02:12:26.000 He's got back problems now, though.

02:12:27.000 Oh, really?

02:12:28.000 Yeah.

02:12:28.000 He looks good, though, yeah.

02:12:29.000 Oh, he works out still, and he still does yoga, and he surfs a lot, but he can't really train anymore.

02:12:35.000 Oh, really?

02:12:36.000 Yeah, Krohn was on the podcast, and he said that his dad has something like seven herniated discs.

02:12:41.000 Whoa.

02:12:43.000 Yeah.

02:12:44.000 That's the issue with jiu-jitsu guys.

02:12:46.000 Same thing with Ricardo Laborio.

02:12:49.000 He's got like seven herniated discs too.

02:12:52.000 All of them bulging out, sticking in weird spots of his body.

02:12:55.000 Ricardo, when you see him standing there, he's always in pain.

02:12:59.000 Really, huh?

02:13:00.000 He never fought MMA, huh?

02:13:02.000 He did.

02:13:02.000 He did?

02:13:03.000 Yeah, Ricardo, I think, had one or two MMA fights and looked fucking great. 0.97

02:13:08.000 Let me see. 0.91

02:13:09.000 Let me pull it off.

02:13:10.000 Ricardo Laborio.

02:13:12.000 I remember seeing him doing jiu-jitsu seminars, and I thought, this guy would be so good in MMA. Oh, he's a fucking beast. 1.00

02:13:19.000 Yeah, he is. 1.00

02:13:20.000 Back in the day, man, he had one fight, and it was a draw.

02:13:24.000 One fight?

02:13:25.000 He fought Minoa.

02:13:27.000 Minoa?

02:13:27.000 Yeah, yeah, one fight.

02:13:29.000 Oh, I think I saw that.

02:13:31.000 Yeah.

02:13:32.000 He just defended a lot.

02:13:34.000 I think so, yeah.

02:13:36.000 And just a three-round fight, went to a draw, and that's it.

02:13:41.000 I don't know.

02:13:42.000 I don't know.

02:13:42.000 I don't remember much of the fight, but I just remember that at the time, a lot of people put him in the same category as Hickson.

02:13:51.000 And this was 2001, he had that fight.

02:13:54.000 And Laborio was...

02:13:55.000 Very, very highly respected amongst jujitsu guys.

02:13:58.000 A lot of the guys that roll with him say he's just unbelievably good.

02:14:02.000 Very tactical.

02:14:03.000 Very strong.

02:14:05.000 Big, solid guy. 0.99

02:14:07.000 If you saw him back in the Manoa fight, he was fucking huge. 0.97

02:14:10.000 Pull that fight up. 0.95

02:14:10.000 Ricardo Laborio versus Manoa. 0.95

02:14:13.000 You could see how he looked at the time.

02:14:16.000 Oh, he's in incredible shape.

02:14:17.000 But he's got a bunch of back problems too, man.

02:14:20.000 Wow, really, huh?

02:14:21.000 Yep.

02:14:22.000 Well, he still rolls with all those guys.

02:14:23.000 You know, he's the co-founder and the head instructor at American Top Team, so, you know, he's always there on a regular basis, but he still rolls with all those guys.

02:14:31.000 Wow.

02:14:32.000 I think they had a super fight, a grappling super fight planned between him and Mario Sperry, but I don't know if that's still going to take place.

02:14:42.000 Because of his back problems.

02:14:43.000 Well, I don't know.

02:14:43.000 I think he was still going to do it, even despite his back problems.

02:14:47.000 How is Mario Sperry doing?

02:14:48.000 That's a good question.

02:14:50.000 I mean, he was the head coach of the Black Zillions.

02:14:53.000 Yeah.

02:14:53.000 And then, for whatever reason, they had a falling out, and he wound up leaving the Black Zillions.

02:14:57.000 I don't know what the fuck happened.

02:14:59.000 So I don't know where he is now. 0.99

02:15:00.000 Uh-huh, uh-huh.

02:15:01.000 But he was an interesting coach.

02:15:04.000 They called him the Zen, huh?

02:15:05.000 They called him.

02:15:05.000 The Zen Machine.

02:15:06.000 Yeah, Zen Machine.

02:15:08.000 When I was first starting out, I started out at Carlson's place in 1996, and Mario Sperry was there.

02:15:15.000 And Mario Sperry was talking about how he got really good at triangles by making his girlfriend sit in his guard, and he would just slap a triangle on each side over and over again.

02:15:25.000 She's like, I don't want to do this anymore. 0.64

02:15:26.000 I was like, shut up. 1.00

02:15:27.000 And he just kept triangling her over and over and over again, which is kind of fucked up. 1.00

02:15:33.000 But he used her as a grappling dummy. 1.00

02:15:35.000 Really?

02:15:36.000 Yeah, here it is right here.

02:15:38.000 Ricardo Laborio of Manoa.

02:15:39.000 He shaved his head, that's right.

02:15:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:15:42.000 This is way back in the day in 2001, and Manoa's still fucking fighting. 1.00

02:15:47.000 Manoa is still going at it. 0.98

02:15:49.000 Manoa's fought a lot of guys, man.

02:15:51.000 Yeah.

02:15:52.000 Huge boys.

02:15:53.000 A big circus singer with Manoa.

02:15:57.000 Attacking each other here.

02:15:59.000 It's interesting how there was a lot of dudes that were heavy favorites, like, going into MMA. And everybody thought that, wow, this is going to be the next motherfucker in MMA. And, like, Salo Hibero. 0.99

02:16:13.000 Salo Hibero, a lot of people thought, like, he was going to be the next Hickson.

02:16:16.000 He was going to go into MMA and dominate because he was so good at jiu-jitsu.

02:16:19.000 But it never quite panned out, you know?

02:16:23.000 That was the end.

02:16:26.000 Even in Japan, the judo guys that go into it.

02:16:31.000 Yoshida was one of the most successful, but there was one after him that came out.

02:16:36.000 He fought here.

02:16:37.000 I think he trained in Vegas, huh?

02:16:39.000 Which guy?

02:16:39.000 What's his name?

02:16:41.000 He was like a gold medalist.

02:16:43.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:16:45.000 I know.

02:16:46.000 He lost to Yoshida later.

02:16:48.000 He came back in Japan and fought.

02:16:49.000 Yoshida lost, but...

02:16:51.000 Not Nakamura.

02:16:53.000 Um...

02:16:56.000 Hmm.

02:16:57.000 Big boy, man.

02:16:58.000 Let me see.

02:16:58.000 I'll pull up Yoshida's career.

02:17:00.000 And he was real aggressive in judo, too.

02:17:02.000 That's why they thought he was going to be the next big thing.

02:17:04.000 Was it Nakamura?

02:17:06.000 No, not Nakamura.

02:17:07.000 He lost to...

02:17:08.000 He lost to Yoshida.

02:17:10.000 He fought in Astra.

02:17:13.000 Huh.

02:17:15.000 It wasn't Ogawa.

02:17:16.000 Ogawa? 0.58

02:17:17.000 No, not Ogawa, not Ogawa.

02:17:18.000 This new kid, man.

02:17:20.000 Hmm.

02:17:20.000 He didn't really do much, but he was up here.

02:17:24.000 I think he traded with Barone, too.

02:17:26.000 Hmm.

02:17:27.000 I don't know.

02:17:27.000 I'm looking at his record.

02:17:28.000 I forget.

02:17:29.000 Ishii, I think. 0.71

02:17:30.000 Oh, Ishii.

02:17:31.000 Yeah.

02:17:32.000 Yeah, Ishii is...

02:17:33.000 That's right.

02:17:34.000 Satoshi Ishii.

02:17:34.000 Yeah.

02:17:35.000 In Japan, he was going to be the next huge MMA guy, but never panned out.

02:17:41.000 Well, he fought him too young.

02:17:43.000 He was just starting to get into MMA. Yoshida had too many striking skills.

02:17:48.000 Remember, Yoshida fought Tank Abba and head kicked him.

02:17:51.000 Remember that?

02:17:52.000 Yoshida was a pretty good striker.

02:17:54.000 Yoshida threw down with Silva too. 0.99

02:17:56.000 He was a strong motherfucker, man. 1.00

02:17:58.000 He was a strong motherfucker. 1.00

02:18:00.000 He had some good fights. 0.99

02:18:02.000 That guy was supposed to be the next big thing in Japan MMA, but never turned out.

02:18:06.000 Yeah.

02:18:08.000 Ishii, I think that was probably...

02:18:10.000 He came to the States.

02:18:11.000 I think he's training in the States now, you know?

02:18:13.000 Yeah.

02:18:14.000 No, I think he is.

02:18:15.000 I think he still has...

02:18:17.000 He's still fighting MMA. Yeah, I think he's still fighting.

02:18:20.000 Yeah, well, he fought in April.

02:18:21.000 He fought...

02:18:22.000 He won.

02:18:23.000 He beat Phil DeFries.

02:18:25.000 Phil DeFries, who fought in the UFC. And before that, he beat Fujita in 2013. I didn't know Fujita was still fighting.

02:18:34.000 Oh, man.

02:18:34.000 I didn't know that either.

02:18:35.000 He fought in the Inoki New Year's card, the Bumbaya card.

02:18:39.000 Oh, okay, okay.

02:18:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:18:41.000 And before that, he beat Jeff Monson.

02:18:43.000 He's won a bunch of fights in a row.

02:18:45.000 He already moved here, too.

02:18:46.000 He's trying to get residency.

02:18:48.000 Oh, really?

02:18:48.000 Because Japan Judo won't take him back.

02:18:51.000 Oh.

02:18:51.000 And he wants to fight Judo.

02:18:52.000 He beat Tim Sylvia.

02:18:54.000 He beat Sean McCorkle.

02:18:56.000 He beat Kerry Shaw.

02:18:57.000 Then he beat Pedro Hizo.

02:18:59.000 Clayton Jones, Jeff Monson, Fujita, and Phil DeVries.

02:19:02.000 Those are all legit opponents.

02:19:05.000 So he's still working at it.

02:19:06.000 But I think, you know, you look at his first fight in MMA ever was Yoshida.

02:19:11.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:19:12.000 That was just too much of a jump.

02:19:13.000 Too much, yeah.

02:19:14.000 Too much of a jump.

02:19:15.000 Yoshida was already adapted to MMA. Is that a big part of fighting?

02:19:19.000 That's something that you see in boxing that I don't necessarily think you see in MMA as much as where a fighter is brought up correctly.

02:19:27.000 They give them tests that they can win, and then they test them, and then they graduate with those tests.

02:19:33.000 Well, it's like that in the UFC now, right?

02:19:35.000 Not as much.

02:19:36.000 Really?

02:19:37.000 A lot of guys get fed to the dogs, like, real early.

02:19:39.000 I mean, like, the TUF and stuff, Ben, you really gotta be good to make it into that, huh?

02:19:44.000 The what?

02:19:44.000 The TUF, the TOS. Oh, the TUF, the Ultimate Fighter?

02:19:48.000 Yeah, I mean, to make it into that.

02:19:48.000 Yeah, but I think that you're seeing now, like, I watch the Ultimate Fighter sometimes, you see guys gas out really quick, you see kind of low-level striking in jiu-jitsu.

02:19:57.000 I think the talent pool is kind of dry in a lot of ways.

02:20:01.000 I mean, every now and then, a new guy comes up, like a Uriah Hall...

02:20:05.000 Who got on the Ultimate Fighter and is just knocking everybody out and looks sensational.

02:20:09.000 You saw real talent in that guy.

02:20:17.000 Dillashaw came from Tuff and now he's a champion.

02:20:21.000 There's guys that have come from the Ultimate Fighter.

02:20:24.000 The guy who just won the Tuff too, the Silva-Sonen one.

02:20:30.000 He had no hair on him.

02:20:31.000 Yeah.

02:20:32.000 That guy was good, huh?

02:20:33.000 Yeah, I'm trying to remember his name.

02:20:34.000 Yeah, I forget his name.

02:20:35.000 There's so many of them now.

02:20:36.000 It's almost impossible to...

02:20:38.000 Calvin Gaslam, who beat Uriah Hall. 0.95

02:20:41.000 He's another super fucking talented guy who came from that.

02:20:44.000 But for every one of those guys, there's like 10 guys that are just not at the same level. 0.81

02:20:49.000 Is it because it's such a new sport yet, huh?

02:20:51.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:20:52.000 Boxing's been around for ages.

02:20:54.000 So many boxers that...

02:20:56.000 When you really think about it, high-level MMA is only 15 years old.

02:21:02.000 It's a baby.

02:21:03.000 Like we said, Vitor Belfort, 97. So it's a little bit older than that.

02:21:08.000 It's a fucking crazy sport, man. 0.98

02:21:11.000 Exploding, growing thing right in front of us. 0.99

02:21:13.000 Imagine, I wonder what it's going to be like in 10 years.

02:21:15.000 I can only.

02:21:17.000 I think when we look back at history, they look at the history and the growth of mixed martial arts, of martial arts period, they'll see that martial arts grew more in 20 years than it did in 20,000 years.

02:21:28.000 It exploded out of nowhere.

02:21:30.000 They really figured out what works and what doesn't work.

02:21:33.000 You know what tripped me out is when I first went to watch the UFC in Vegas and I saw the fighters' pictures on the billboards, I couldn't believe that.

02:21:42.000 It's weird, right?

02:21:43.000 Yeah.

02:21:43.000 I mean, back in the day when I used to go to Vegas, we'd see Donna Summers and Kenny Rogers doing a concert, but man, the MMA fighters up on the billboards, it's like a whole different level.

02:21:57.000 Yeah, it's wild, isn't it?

02:21:58.000 Yeah, I love it.

02:21:59.000 It's great.

02:22:00.000 I mean, the bigger MMA gets, the better it is for me, you know?

02:22:03.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:22:05.000 What do you plan on doing in the future now?

02:22:07.000 I mean, you're making your bracelets.

02:22:09.000 And if people want to buy those, by the way, where can they get them?

02:22:12.000 DestinyForever.com.

02:22:13.000 The book also is available.

02:22:14.000 Say that again?

02:22:15.000 DestinyForever.com.

02:22:16.000 DestinyForever.com.

02:22:17.000 Yeah.

02:22:19.000 Yeah, I'm making bracelets.

02:22:21.000 The relief work is always going to continue up north.

02:22:24.000 And I'm writing another book, second part.

02:22:27.000 Do you think that you're going to be involved in martial arts?

02:22:31.000 I'm not someone that's going to try and promote or someone that's going to try and get involved, but if there's anything that I can do, like when people ask me to do seminars or to come and be involved in something, I'm more than willing.

02:22:43.000 There's some kind of big tournament, the Yuji, right?

02:22:46.000 The underground forum.

02:22:48.000 What is it?

02:22:49.000 It's a tournament?

02:22:50.000 The underground is making their own tournament?

02:22:52.000 No, they have a little amateur fight.

02:22:55.000 Really?

02:22:56.000 Yeah.

02:22:57.000 I'm trying to help with that too.

02:22:59.000 Okay.

02:22:59.000 That's cool.

02:23:00.000 Give races to winners like that.

02:23:01.000 Oh, that's cool.

02:23:02.000 Nice.

02:23:03.000 I mean, even when Dana comes to Japan, I always offer him if he ever needs my help, if he needs any help with anything up there.

02:23:12.000 That's awesome.

02:23:13.000 I'm always willing to help.

02:23:14.000 I'll be involved in that way for sure.

02:23:16.000 But what about running a school, running a gym again, teaching fighters?

02:23:20.000 I know you did that for quite a while.

02:23:22.000 Yeah, I haven't been doing that actively at my gyms.

02:23:26.000 I've been doing seminars.

02:23:27.000 I just did one in New Zealand.

02:23:29.000 I just went and worked with the guys in Portland at Fisticuffs.

02:23:33.000 Okay, cool.

02:23:34.000 Yeah, so I'm doing that kind of stuff and I think I still have a lot to offer.

02:23:40.000 To the fighters, but I don't know about doing it every day, you know, and teaching every day, and being stuck at a gym at, you know, 9 to 5, or even, like, every day at 6 to 8, you're going to teach a class.

02:23:51.000 I don't know if I'll ever be able to limit myself to that.

02:23:56.000 But, yeah, my life's exciting, man.

02:24:00.000 Travel all over.

02:24:01.000 Travel all over the world.

02:24:02.000 When you do these seminars, and you, um...

02:24:06.000 You sit down with young fighters.

02:24:08.000 How much of the seminar has to do with mindset?

02:24:10.000 Half.

02:24:11.000 Half of it.

02:24:12.000 Yeah.

02:24:12.000 So what I do is, for me, I have the techniques I have on the ground are real basic techniques, stuff that worked.

02:24:19.000 I think I have more to offer in the mindset.

02:24:24.000 So my is always like a seminar slash philosophy.

02:24:26.000 So I'll talk and then I'll show a technique.

02:24:30.000 And then I'll ask them a question.

02:24:33.000 One thing I asked them, when I went to New Zealand and did one in New Zealand, I asked them, why do fighters tap?

02:24:43.000 If I asked you that, why do fighters tap?

02:24:46.000 Because they're afraid of injury.

02:24:48.000 Yeah.

02:24:49.000 Because essentially they've made a decision.

02:24:52.000 I would rather not get my arm broken and just admit defeat.

02:24:55.000 That's in the lines of it.

02:24:57.000 But basically what a fighter taps is because he's anticipating what he thinks is going to happen.

02:25:02.000 It's an anticipation of what you think is going to happen.

02:25:05.000 And that's why fighters tap.

02:25:06.000 You're anticipating your arm breaking.

02:25:08.000 You're anticipating going to sleep.

02:25:10.000 And a lot of times people, spectators think it's because of pain, because it hurts.

02:25:16.000 But a lot of times, you know, arm burn doesn't really hurt. 0.98

02:25:18.000 I mean, you can feel like, ah, you know, ah, fuck, my arm, my ligaments are going to start stretching, ah, fuck, you know, but it's not to that pain level where you're like, ah, fuck, it's so sore, I got to tap, you know, even chokes. 0.97

02:25:29.000 It's not like, you know, it's just anticipating what's going to happen, you know? 0.99

02:25:32.000 And I kind of develop on that kind of stuff, like, you know, that kind of mindset, yeah.

02:25:36.000 That there's a brief window where you can pull victory out of the jaws of defeat by not having the mindset to tap.

02:25:43.000 Well, it's a focus, yeah.

02:25:46.000 How many of those moments happen where a fighter has that door opens and either you can tap or you can push forward and occasionally the guys push forward and wind up winning?

02:25:58.000 Mm-hmm.

02:25:59.000 I've seen some of that.

02:26:00.000 That's that gray area, right?

02:26:01.000 That's that weird moment, the do-or-die moment that you feel like with a Jason High-type situation that the fighters aren't allowed to express.

02:26:11.000 Mm-hmm.

02:26:12.000 And push through.

02:26:13.000 To show how tough they really are, yeah.

02:26:17.000 When guys talk to you in seminars, do they talk about specific fights and ask you about specific moments in your career?

02:26:23.000 Yes.

02:26:23.000 What one comes up a lot?

02:26:25.000 The Igor fight comes up a lot.

02:26:26.000 Of course, right?

02:26:26.000 The Igor fight comes up a lot.

02:26:28.000 What about the Randy fight?

02:26:29.000 The Randy fight, not that much, but it's always one that's mentioned, yeah.

02:26:33.000 It was a big victory.

02:26:34.000 Yeah, that was a huge victory for me, yeah.

02:26:37.000 That's like my claim to fame, you know?

02:26:39.000 That kind of put...

02:26:41.000 You know what was good about that?

02:26:43.000 That victory made people accept that, okay, Ensign is good.

02:26:48.000 And after that, I didn't need to prove that I was good by getting wins.

02:26:51.000 So it kind of gave me that window to fight with my heart now.

02:26:56.000 That I didn't need to pull out the wins anymore.

02:26:58.000 But back in the day, unless you pull out certain wins, you're like...

02:27:02.000 He's just a tough guy.

02:27:03.000 Well, that's the crazy thing about you, is not just your approach, but your openness in discussing that approach.

02:27:09.000 The fact that you weren't necessarily pursuing wins as much as you were trying to find out about yourself.

02:27:16.000 That sounds like, you know, that sounds like something that someone would write about someone in a movie.

02:27:21.000 You know what I mean?

02:27:22.000 Like you wanted to write about some crazy warrior in a movie.

02:27:25.000 You know, I'm not about victory.

02:27:26.000 I'm about, you know, finding out the answers for myself.

02:27:29.000 Who am I as a man?

02:27:30.000 But that is really how you lived. 0.99

02:27:32.000 Yeah, and at the time it was stupid, but not now. 0.99

02:27:36.000 But it's not... 1.00

02:27:37.000 You say at the time it was stupid. 0.99

02:27:39.000 I don't necessarily think it was... 0.99

02:27:41.000 It's definitely not stupid. 0.72

02:27:42.000 Why didn't you do this? 0.71

02:27:44.000 You could have won the fight.

02:27:44.000 But it's a decision that you made, the same way Diego Sanchez makes those decisions in a fight.

02:27:49.000 The difference being is, I think...

02:27:51.000 Diego is just hardwired that way.

02:27:55.000 I mean, maybe you were too in a sense, but those things and those moments define you in a lot of ways.

02:28:03.000 There's a lot of fighters from that era, but when people talk about guys with a ferocious mindset, you're one of the ones who always comes up.

02:28:11.000 And that's one of the reasons why people want to see you at a seminar, want to talk to you, want to hear you on this podcast.

02:28:18.000 Yeah.

02:28:18.000 You know, the funny thing about that is that I had so many fears, too.

02:28:22.000 But you're open about that.

02:28:24.000 And like we talked about before, you embrace those fears, you face them head on.

02:28:29.000 And that's one of the fascinating things about you is that you were so willing to discuss it. 0.98

02:28:33.000 But honestly, no fake tough guy bullshit. 0.96

02:28:36.000 Nothing. 0.99

02:28:37.000 No bullshit, man. 0.98

02:28:38.000 No bullshit. 0.99

02:28:39.000 Yeah, even the book is all real names, man. 0.90

02:28:41.000 Real incidents, exactly as is, man.

02:28:45.000 And I always live my life thinking that if I get punished for something that I've done and I did it and it's the right thing and I get punished for it, then let it be because that's what's supposed to happen.

02:28:55.000 So if I get into trouble with stuff that I wrote in the book, I'm not bullshitting. 0.94

02:28:59.000 I'm not talking shit about nobody. 0.95

02:29:01.000 I'm not bullshitting. 0.99

02:29:02.000 I'm not exaggerating.

02:29:03.000 I'm just telling things as it is.

02:29:06.000 And if I'm going to get in trouble for that, then it was meant to be.

02:29:09.000 Where can people get this book, man?

02:29:11.000 Same thing, DestinyForward.

02:29:13.000 It's on Amazon.

02:29:14.000 Okay, Amazon.

02:29:15.000 And it's live as a man, die as a man, become a man.

02:29:18.000 Ensign Inuit.

02:29:19.000 You can order it through DestinyForward.com. 0.99

02:29:21.000 Ensign, another fucking awesome podcast. 0.94

02:29:23.000 Hey, thank you, man. 0.98

02:29:23.000 Had a great time, brother. 0.98

02:29:24.000 Thanks for having me.

02:29:25.000 We've got to do this again.

02:29:25.000 Anytime you're in town, man.

02:29:26.000 Let me know.

02:29:27.000 I'll be texting you whenever I let you know whenever I'm in town.

02:29:30.000 Anytime, man.

02:29:30.000 I enjoyed it.

02:29:31.000 I always do.

02:29:32.000 All right, man.

02:29:32.000 Thank you, brother.

02:29:32.000 All right, man.

02:29:33.000 Alright folks, that's it.

02:29:34.000 We'll be back next week.

02:29:37.000 I'm off for the rest of the week.

02:29:39.000 I'm going to be in Canada this weekend.

02:29:42.000 You can check JoeRogan.net for the dates.

02:29:46.000 We're going to be in Lloydminster tomorrow night.

02:29:48.000 I'm with Tony Hinchcliffe and Brian Callum.

02:29:50.000 And then we're at the Orpheum in Vancouver on Thursday night, Lloydminster.

02:29:55.000 Which is tomorrow night.

02:29:56.000 And then Friday night, the Orpheum in Vancouver.

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02:30:20.000 Lots of crazy podcast guests coming up next week, ladies and gentlemen. 0.98

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The Joe Rogan Experience - June 11, 2014

Joe Rogan Experience #511 - Enson Inoue

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