The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #557 - Bryan Callen

00:00:01.000 Appearing at the Atlanta Improv October 16th, 17th, and 8th.

00:00:07.000 That's how my daughter does punchlines. 1.00

00:00:09.000 My former, my four-year-old rather.

00:00:10.000 My former.

00:00:11.000 My four-year-old daughter.

00:00:13.000 She goes, what kind of tree grows in your hand?

00:00:16.000 A palm tree!

00:00:19.000 And then she'll hit the same punchline over and over again.

00:00:22.000 Over and over?

00:00:22.000 Yeah, it's hilarious.

00:00:23.000 Do it with formality, and I want enthusiasm.

00:00:27.000 Appearing at the Atlanta Improv! 0.98

00:00:32.000 It's the one and only Brian motherfucking Callan. 0.96

00:00:35.000 October 16th, 17th, and 18th. 0.99

00:00:38.000 Goddammit, I have to sneeze. 0.95

00:00:39.000 No way, the kid, the kid.

00:00:40.000 Dude, in the middle of my... 1.00

00:00:41.000 Ah, damn it. 0.99

00:00:44.000 In the middle, Brian Callen, Brian the Kid, I'll be the crowd. 0.99

00:00:47.000 Brian the Kid, no way in person.

00:00:48.000 I hear he's way better looking and super athletic.

00:00:50.000 He's beautiful.

00:00:51.000 I hear the way he moves.

00:00:52.000 He's beautiful on the inside, too.

00:00:53.000 There it is. 0.99

00:00:54.000 I don't mean his butt, I mean his soul. 0.99

00:00:56.000 Jesus. 0.99

00:00:57.000 Oh, adorable.

00:00:57.000 October 16th, 17th, 18th, the Atlanta Improv, if it's like any of the other Improvs, it's awesome.

00:01:03.000 The Improv is the premier comedy club chain in the country.

00:01:06.000 And...

00:01:07.000 If you're nowhere near Atlanta, if you happen to be in Philadelphia or Washington, D.C., I'm at the Tower Theater on Friday, October 7th in Philadelphia, and then I'm at the Warner Theater on Saturday, October 18th.

00:01:22.000 Both of those gigs...

00:01:25.000 October 18th one in Washington, D.C. The Warner Theater in Washington, D.C. Both those gigs are with Ian Edwards.

00:01:31.000 So the 17th in Philadelphia.

00:01:33.000 He's awesome. 0.99

00:01:34.000 He's a fucking legit high-level headliner. 0.96

00:01:38.000 So Philadelphia, October 17th, and then Washington, D.C., October 18th. 0.99

00:01:43.000 That's for me.

00:01:44.000 And Brian Callen is October 16th, 17th, and 18th. 0.99

00:01:49.000 And Brian Callen is back in motherfucking civilization! 0.97

00:01:53.000 Yes, ladies and gentlemen. 0.99

00:01:55.000 Five days in the rain, sleeping on a slam, pooing outside.

00:01:59.000 I'm not sick, but I do have something going on with my nose.

00:02:01.000 Well, it's L.A. air after all that pristine.

00:02:05.000 We got dropped off 1,300 feet above sea level in a seaplane.

00:02:10.000 Took three planes.

00:02:12.000 In a seaplane, get dropped off on a lake, a mountain lake that you could drink out of, which we did drink out of.

00:02:18.000 We drank out of the lake.

00:02:19.000 That's how clean it is.

00:02:20.000 Yeah, it's rainwater.

00:02:21.000 Yeah, it's made of rain.

00:02:22.000 There's not even any fish in that lake, which is really crazy.

00:02:25.000 It's weird, right?

00:02:26.000 It's a huge lake, and there's no rivers that go into it.

00:02:30.000 And there's also several lakes on Prince of Wales Island.

00:02:34.000 I mean, maybe there's a couple of fish in there I don't know about.

00:02:37.000 But we didn't see any.

00:02:39.000 It's clear, crystal clear water.

00:02:41.000 And there's several layers.

00:02:43.000 Like, some of them are up high, and other ones are, like, you know, a few hundred feet below it.

00:02:48.000 There's another lake.

00:02:49.000 It's really weird.

00:02:50.000 Also, when you're hiking through that terrain, you'll cut through the woods and, like, just cut into this rainforest, and then you just come across this clearing with another little pond or lake.

00:02:59.000 It's like Shangri-La, man.

00:03:00.000 Everywhere there's lakes.

00:03:02.000 It gets more rainfall than any other place in America.

00:03:05.000 It's 160 inches of rainfall.

00:03:08.000 Apparently, Rinella said it's one of the biggest islands in America next to the Hawaiian Islands.

00:03:13.000 It's bigger than the big Hawaii Islands.

00:03:15.000 Prince of Wales Islands, I believe, is actually bigger.

00:03:17.000 That's what our friend Matt said.

00:03:19.000 It's crazy.

00:03:19.000 That's what Matt said, but I believe Rinella said it was half the size of the Hawaiian Islands.

00:03:23.000 Oh, okay.

00:03:23.000 I don't know.

00:03:24.000 Okay, let's find out.

00:03:25.000 Let's find out how big it is.

00:03:26.000 Prince of Wales.

00:03:27.000 We spent our entire time basically wet, even though you're wearing rain gear, and nothing dries out.

00:03:34.000 Nothing.

00:03:35.000 First day my shirt got wet, it never dried out.

00:03:38.000 Yeah.

00:03:39.000 It's the fourth largest island.

00:03:41.000 After Hawaii, Kodiak, and it's one-tenth the size of Ireland.

00:03:46.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:03:46.000 Slightly larger than the state of Delaware. 0.71

00:03:48.000 That's crazy.

00:03:50.000 Oh, and very important.

00:03:52.000 Didn't see any...

00:03:53.000 Basically, you'd be...

00:03:55.000 I mean, it's a huge island, man.

00:03:57.000 Three planes to get there.

00:03:58.000 I'm looking through my binoculars.

00:04:00.000 How many deer?

00:04:01.000 I saw one.

00:04:03.000 Yeah, there wasn't a lot of deer.

00:04:04.000 Well, I saw two.

00:04:04.000 Two does, which I couldn't shoot.

00:04:06.000 Not one buck. 0.99

00:04:07.000 We can't, according to Rinello, we went there at a bad time, which is fucking weird, since he was the guy hosting the goddamn show and scheduling it. 0.99

00:04:14.000 Yeah, that means the deer, right. 0.98

00:04:16.000 That means the deer, even the deer were like, this sucks, let's go to lower land.

00:04:20.000 The deer were like, it's too rainy and windy here, let's move down.

00:04:23.000 Even the deer were like, see ya.

00:04:25.000 Yeah, the deer went towards the ocean.

00:04:27.000 The humans with their fire sticks. 0.52

00:04:29.000 We saw very few animals, but it was still unbelievably beautiful.

00:04:34.000 And it was so clean.

00:04:37.000 That's the weirdest thing about the air there.

00:04:39.000 It was so clean that when we got to LA, we both were like, ew.

00:04:43.000 We smelled the air.

00:04:45.000 I almost panicked.

00:04:45.000 My nose closed up immediately.

00:04:47.000 For real.

00:04:48.000 Remember?

00:04:48.000 We were at the airport.

00:04:50.000 I mean, granted, we were in traffic, but I was shocked.

00:04:53.000 My system went, what?

00:04:54.000 It started closing down.

00:04:55.000 Well, we were breathing in this moist, clear air, drinking clean water. 0.99

00:05:00.000 Look, I'll take this over that every fucking day of the week, first of all. 0.97

00:05:05.000 I just want to get that out of the way. 0.98

00:05:08.000 Especially because we didn't have a house.

00:05:10.000 We were camping.

00:05:11.000 And if you've ever camped in the rain, you might be able to pull it off for a day.

00:05:15.000 You might be able to pull it off for two days. 0.98

00:05:17.000 But once you start getting to that fifth day, oh god does it suck a fat one. 0.95

00:05:22.000 You know what was happening to me?

00:05:23.000 I was becoming a fetishistic, whatever the word is, about my gear.

00:05:28.000 Like, how to keep everything dry.

00:05:31.000 And I was even making my sandwiches secretly in the tent.

00:05:35.000 I would steal away.

00:05:37.000 Remember when you said you were like, were you making sandwiches?

00:05:39.000 I was like, huh?

00:05:40.000 Huh?

00:05:40.000 Yeah, you took mayonnaise and bread and meat and went into your tent.

00:05:44.000 Yeah, and I hid, and I was like, fuck those guys. 1.00

00:05:46.000 I'm eating a sandwich. 1.00

00:05:47.000 I'm eating a dry sandwich, assholes. 1.00

00:05:49.000 I was turning on the whole camp. 0.98

00:05:50.000 Well, I got a little bit better at figuring out how to deal with the rain, but at one point, you know, we wore these headlamps, so they're like a mining hat sort of thing on the top of your forehead.

00:06:00.000 You have this light, and it's attached to a strap, and I turned it on.

00:06:04.000 I turned my strap on inside the tent, and It was like a sea of dew.

00:06:10.000 Like the inside of the tent.

00:06:13.000 Like everywhere you look, it was like it was raining, these microscopic drops of water.

00:06:18.000 It was like looking out into a downpour, a microscopic drop downpour.

00:06:24.000 So there's these tiny little drips everywhere.

00:06:25.000 But the inside of the tent was filled with moisture.

00:06:29.000 Yeah.

00:06:29.000 Everything.

00:06:30.000 Your sleeping bag was wet.

00:06:31.000 My sleeping bag had a sheen.

00:06:32.000 51 degrees.

00:06:33.000 It's really fun to sleep in that.

00:06:34.000 Oh, it's a good time.

00:06:35.000 You could take your hand and you rub it over the top of my sleeping bag and your hand would be wet.

00:06:40.000 Right.

00:06:41.000 And the inside was wet.

00:06:42.000 Like, my hands got wet. 0.98

00:06:43.000 Wool is fucking amazing. 0.98

00:06:46.000 Yep. 1.00

00:06:46.000 Okay? 1.00

00:06:47.000 If you're wearing cotton out there in this kind of weather, you're really fucked. 0.99

00:06:51.000 But wool is an incredible material. 0.98

00:06:53.000 When you're wearing wool, wool somehow or another, even if the clothes are wet, you retain heat.

00:06:58.000 Yeah.

00:06:59.000 It's really incredible.

00:07:00.000 It's the oils in the wool, I guess, and also wool wicks away moisture from the body for whatever reason.

00:07:04.000 But does it?

00:07:05.000 Because it must.

00:07:06.000 I don't know.

00:07:07.000 It must wick away, but not totally.

00:07:09.000 It dries quickly.

00:07:10.000 You ever notice that?

00:07:11.000 Apparently, it dries quickly, but they say cotton kills.

00:07:14.000 If you're in wet...

00:07:17.000 Cold environments, and you're hiking or whatever, and you wear cotton, that's how people die.

00:07:21.000 Yeah, because you sweat, and then you get wet, and then you get freezing cold.

00:07:25.000 We were in a constant state of when you're hiking, first of all, we're following, you weren't, but I was, Following Steve the Billy Goat Rinella, okay? 1.00

00:07:34.000 This fucker does this shit 365 days a year. 1.00

00:07:37.000 I'm lucky that I'm in good shape and lucky also that I work my legs out like crazy. 1.00

00:07:42.000 Those poor guys are like, oh, I guess you skipped leg day.

00:07:45.000 You ever see those guys?

00:07:46.000 Yes.

00:07:46.000 They look like a meatball with two sticks.

00:07:48.000 They'd be dead. 1.00

00:07:49.000 They'd be fucked. 1.00

00:07:50.000 Terrible hunting bodies. 1.00

00:07:51.000 Yeah, I worked my legs out more than any other part of my body because of kickboxing.

00:07:56.000 And I'm just always doing squats.

00:07:58.000 So my legs really didn't get tired, even though it was five days of pretty intense hiking.

00:08:02.000 But my cardio got tested, seriously. 0.99

00:08:05.000 And I was sweating like a fucking pig. 0.99

00:08:08.000 So you'd get to the top of this. 0.99

00:08:09.000 First of all, I didn't layer it right.

00:08:11.000 Like when we talked to Matin, one of our friends that we met down there.

00:08:15.000 Shout out to Matin.

00:08:16.000 The Latvian prince.

00:08:17.000 All the Latvians.

00:08:19.000 And Giannis, his brother.

00:08:20.000 Another.

00:08:20.000 Shout out to my guy.

00:08:21.000 Shout out to our friend Dean, our English friend Dean. 1.00

00:08:25.000 Great fucking guy. 0.99

00:08:26.000 All the people there. 1.00

00:08:27.000 Mike, shout out to Mike from Austin. 0.99

00:08:29.000 Cool fucking crew. 0.99

00:08:30.000 Dan Doty. 1.00

00:08:31.000 Shout out to fucking Dan, the beautiful Doty. 0.99

00:08:34.000 The awesome Dan Doty. 0.99

00:08:35.000 Everybody is beautiful.

00:08:36.000 It's a great cat. 0.96

00:08:36.000 We had a fucking legitimately awesome time in one of the most miserable conditions the world. 0.96

00:08:42.000 We laughed. 0.97

00:08:43.000 We laughed the whole time.

00:08:44.000 Other than freezing cold.

00:08:47.000 It's the most miserable, because you're just drenched all the time.

00:08:50.000 Actually, I would take that, honestly, over desert conditions, like 130 degrees.

00:08:56.000 That might be a nightmare, because there's no water.

00:08:57.000 But my hands were pruning.

00:08:59.000 My hands were so wet for so long.

00:09:01.000 Forget gloves, by the way.

00:09:03.000 Your hands are just going to be wet.

00:09:04.000 They look like they've been in a pool for two days. 0.99

00:09:06.000 But those, again, those First Light, those wool gloves, the fucking wool, even though your hands are wet, it keeps your hands warm. 0.99

00:09:14.000 It's really weird. 0.99

00:09:15.000 I don't know how it works.

00:09:16.000 First Light is a company that sponsors, L-I-T-E, First Light.

00:09:20.000 They sponsor Meat Eater Podcast.

00:09:22.000 We got a bunch of their gear, and our friend Ryan Callahan works for them.

00:09:25.000 And everything they make is merino wool.

00:09:27.000 And I was like, why is this wool? 0.99

00:09:29.000 What the fuck is wool? 1.00

00:09:30.000 Wool is the shit. 1.00

00:09:32.000 It's the shit. 1.00

00:09:32.000 In cold weather, you gotta get wool. 1.00

00:09:35.000 And layer, layer it up.

00:09:36.000 Because you keep warm...

00:09:37.000 Actually, people wear really tight stuff is the wrong thing to do.

00:09:39.000 You want to keep an air pocket around your body.

00:09:41.000 That's how animals keep warm. 0.69

00:09:42.000 So Matin was telling me you should really wear very little when you go out and then keep everything else in your pack.

00:09:48.000 That would have been the smart thing to do.

00:09:49.000 I didn't do it that way.

00:09:50.000 I put all the layers on. 0.98

00:09:51.000 So by the time I got to the top of the mountain, I'm fucking... 0.98

00:09:54.000 I'm literally drenched. 0.98

00:09:55.000 My legs are drenched.

00:09:57.000 My upper body's drenched.

00:09:58.000 And then you have to sit down and you glass.

00:10:01.000 So glassy means you use your binoculars.

00:10:02.000 So you sit down, you're looking for deer.

00:10:04.000 Who aren't there?!

00:10:05.000 There are no deer! 1.00

00:10:06.000 There's no fucking deer! 1.00

00:10:07.000 Okay, so we're sitting there looking for deer, freezing my dick completely off. 1.00

00:10:13.000 And you do well in the cold, but that's the first time I've ever seen you shiver. 0.99

00:10:16.000 Yeah.

00:10:16.000 Like, you were shaking.

00:10:17.000 You were so cold one time.

00:10:18.000 I think it was the morning you came in.

00:10:20.000 Yeah.

00:10:20.000 And you were like, because you had been spent all night wet.

00:10:23.000 Yeah.

00:10:23.000 And you came in, and I was like, I knew you were too much to say anything, but I was literally like, get him a thermos full of hot water to put in his jacket, because I actually got a little protective over here.

00:10:34.000 Aw, sweetie. 0.97

00:10:35.000 Well, you were shaking, man.

00:10:36.000 Yeah, I was definitely shaking.

00:10:37.000 That was no joke.

00:10:38.000 It was cold.

00:10:39.000 I mean, in the morning, it was probably in the 40s.

00:10:41.000 It was not the most fun.

00:10:43.000 Being wet and cold...

00:10:44.000 But I'm telling you, it's better than being hot. 1.00

00:10:46.000 As weird as it sounds, it sucks a fat dick, but you could warm up just by running up hills. 1.00

00:10:51.000 If I wanted to, while I was freezing, I could have just went, fuck, [... 1.00

00:11:00.000 Yeah, I would have been sweating again. 0.99

00:11:02.000 But the art, there is an art to learning how to, like Matting said, you climb the mountain, he'll climb the top of the mountain, t-shirt and one layer, sweats, takes that t-shirt right off and puts two layers on that are dry.

00:11:13.000 Yeah, that's smart.

00:11:13.000 And then puts that t-shirt back on when it's time to come down.

00:11:16.000 And look, we did this shit on purpose, we did it for fun, for the adventure, because we love Ronella and we love the show and all the guys on the show, but those fucking cameramen, those guys who work on that show, Mike and Dean and, well, Dodie's the producer, 0.98

00:11:31.000 but Dan Doty's also a cameraman. 0.99

00:11:33.000 Those guys that work on that show, Doty's a director too now, and a producer.

00:11:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:11:37.000 But those guys that work on that fucking show, god damn they have a hard job. 1.00

00:11:42.000 Yeah, they do. 1.00

00:11:42.000 Those guys, they're just getting paid. 1.00

00:11:44.000 They're getting paid.

00:11:45.000 That's what they do every week.

00:11:47.000 Every week they're camping somewhere.

00:11:48.000 Freezing.

00:11:49.000 Yeah.

00:11:50.000 Hungry?

00:11:50.000 You know where they're going next?

00:11:51.000 They're going to the jungle. 1.00

00:11:53.000 They're going down to fucking... 0.99

00:11:54.000 Bolivia or something? 1.00

00:11:54.000 Yeah, some crazy shit. 1.00

00:11:55.000 Where bugs, where you get... 0.98

00:11:57.000 I said, Dan, are there things to worry about?

00:11:59.000 He's been to the Amazon a number of times.

00:12:00.000 He goes, oh yeah.

00:12:01.000 I said, like what?

00:12:02.000 He goes, snakes, spiders, scorpions, and bugs you've never seen before.

00:12:06.000 Bugs people don't know about, by the way. 0.99

00:12:10.000 By the way, whenever Brian Counts here, I, by the way, beat myself to death.

00:12:13.000 I know.

00:12:13.000 It's contagious.

00:12:15.000 Hashtag by the way.

00:12:15.000 It's like when Brody Stevens is here, you go, enjoy it!

00:12:18.000 Enjoy it!

00:12:19.000 Yes!

00:12:20.000 You can't help yourself.

00:12:22.000 They had that banana spider down there, right?

00:12:24.000 Or is that in the Philippines?

00:12:26.000 I don't know. 0.99

00:12:26.000 I mean, they have a lot of fucked up spiders in the Amazon. 0.99

00:12:28.000 They have thousands of things that people have never even discovered. 0.97

00:12:32.000 They're always finding new species of bugs down there.

00:12:34.000 Things that defy explanation.

00:12:36.000 I don't like bugs, man.

00:12:38.000 I'm not a fan.

00:12:39.000 I'm okay with other stuff.

00:12:40.000 I'm not okay with bugs.

00:12:41.000 I like...

00:12:43.000 I'll deal with like grizzlies, like okay, there's a grizzly, you'll be scared, but bugs are the intangible, like some huge stinging wasp that can, fuck that, or a spider that puts you in a necrosis, like the brown recluse, your skin starts to decay. 0.82

00:13:00.000 Jeremy Horne had one of those, and it left like a golf ball-sized hole in his leg. 0.91

00:13:05.000 Good God. 1.00

00:13:05.000 He left a fucking hole. 1.00

00:13:06.000 It just ate through his leg. 1.00

00:13:08.000 Fer de lance.

00:13:08.000 When snakes bite you, that happens.

00:13:11.000 This guy got bit in the foot by a fer de lance, which by the way, I believe means sword of fire.

00:13:17.000 Fer de lance.

00:13:18.000 It's French.

00:13:19.000 Fer de lance.

00:13:20.000 Fer being fire.

00:13:25.000 By the way, Brian Callen did several characters over the time.

00:13:29.000 One of the reasons why I love going on these trips with Brian is because it becomes a giant five-day comedy.

00:13:34.000 It becomes the Brian Callen show.

00:13:37.000 You're not going anywhere. 0.99

00:13:38.000 Where the fuck are you going to go? 0.99

00:13:39.000 But it's also your style of humor. 0.99

00:13:42.000 It's like, that's what you do.

00:13:44.000 Like, when there's a group of guys around, all of a sudden... 0.56

00:13:46.000 I mean, you would think that you would get tired of gay jokes after five days. 0.99

00:13:50.000 No. 0.57

00:13:50.000 Because he's got a bunch of different gay characters. 0.57

00:13:53.000 Of course. 0.90

00:13:53.000 Ivan the Russian. 0.90

00:13:54.000 Ivan the Russian who makes you eat salad for many days before he fucks you in the ass because he wants your asshole clean. 1.00

00:13:59.000 You gotta have a clean asshole. 1.00

00:14:01.000 You have to keep clean. 1.00

00:14:03.000 Your asshole has to be clean. 1.00

00:14:04.000 Eat just salad, I smack you. 1.00

00:14:06.000 This video of him explaining to Steve Rinello what he wants Rinello's diet to be like.

00:14:13.000 Dodie's thinking about putting it online, like somehow or another figuring out how to put it online in an unnamed way.

00:14:19.000 It's mostly because I have you as an audience, and you're one of the best laughers.

00:14:23.000 I just realized that after knowing you for 20 years, I was like, you know what?

00:14:27.000 I think he might be one of the greatest laughers, because you cackle.

00:14:31.000 You literally, when you're laughing, you literally go, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

00:14:34.000 It's H-A, H-A, H-A, H-A. How the fuck? 1.00

00:14:38.000 It's seductive to me. 1.00

00:14:39.000 It's seductive.

00:14:40.000 And then those guys are such good audiences, too.

00:14:43.000 Well, you know, we were talking about how some comedians are just not good at being, like, an audience member.

00:14:49.000 And one of the things that, like, when Brian and I first met, Brian was on this show called Mad TV, and I was a guest on the show.

00:14:57.000 And Brian and I were hanging out in the cafeteria.

00:15:00.000 We were eating dinner.

00:15:02.000 And while we were eating dinner, Brian was making me laugh.

00:15:05.000 He was cracking me up.

00:15:06.000 But we were with a few other actors, and instead of laughing at Brian, they were trying to one-up him.

00:15:11.000 Yeah.

00:15:11.000 And I was like, ew, this is so gross.

00:15:14.000 Like, you can't even just let a guy be funny.

00:15:17.000 Like, it's one thing if...

00:15:20.000 Like, comedy in those certain circumstances is like, it's a totally intuitive thing.

00:15:25.000 It's like you have to know if you actually have something funny to say or not.

00:15:29.000 Again, if there's something funny that you can do, you gotta feel it and you just gotta run with it and no one can understand it.

00:15:35.000 No one can explain when something's going to be funny and when something's not going to be funny.

00:15:39.000 It's completely, totally instinctive.

00:15:40.000 But what these guys were doing was like being like ultra, super calculated and competitive.

00:15:47.000 They weren't really listening, right?

00:15:48.000 They weren't being affected.

00:15:49.000 No!

00:15:49.000 I was thinking about, you know, it's a very underrated quality when you have a friend who can really laugh at things.

00:15:57.000 Oh, yeah.

00:15:57.000 That's a really fun thing to have around.

00:15:59.000 Yeah, Bravo's great for that.

00:16:01.000 That's a really, you know, that's a really, really...

00:16:05.000 It's a pleasant thing to be around.

00:16:06.000 My sister was my first audience.

00:16:08.000 My sister couldn't laugh her ass off at things. 1.00

00:16:11.000 I remember as a kid her laughing really hard at me, cackling.

00:16:14.000 And I was like, oh, I think I might be funny.

00:16:16.000 That was the first thing where I was like, my sister actually laughs at me. 0.80

00:16:20.000 Maybe I can do this, you know?

00:16:21.000 That's funny, man.

00:16:22.000 That's funny.

00:16:22.000 So from Montana to Wisconsin to now...

00:16:27.000 Well, we failed in this attempt.

00:16:29.000 This is the only time...

00:16:29.000 Well, I shouldn't say that because the TV show is going to air.

00:16:31.000 Whoops!

00:16:32.000 Cat's out of the bag! 0.68

00:16:33.000 Great show either way.

00:16:34.000 It's going to be a lot of fun.

00:16:35.000 Yeah, it is.

00:16:35.000 But we had a great time in every circumstance.

00:16:39.000 Even though we're in one of the worst, most uncomfortable positions you could find yourself in.

00:16:45.000 Constantly drenched, no hope in sight.

00:16:48.000 Your only hope for shelter is this cloth house that you're sleeping in that's the size of a small car.

00:16:56.000 You're climbing into a VW Bug that's a cloth house, and inside it you're wet.

00:17:01.000 And that's your shelter.

00:17:03.000 And it's not an even surface.

00:17:04.000 Good luck finding an even surface in Alaska.

00:17:06.000 Everything hurt, too, man.

00:17:08.000 Like, when I would get up, my back would hurt, my neck would hurt, my shoulders would hurt, because I have to sleep on my side.

00:17:13.000 Well, you know, the first two days, I was so tired from hiking, my legs and my hips, because I hadn't had any in my back. 0.98

00:17:19.000 Pussy! 1.00

00:17:20.000 I'm a bitch! 1.00

00:17:22.000 I'm not as stout as you are. 1.00

00:17:24.000 I'm simply not as stout.

00:17:26.000 I prepared for this.

00:17:27.000 Remember when I was going to bed?

00:17:28.000 You were like, you're going to bed?

00:17:28.000 I was like, no, I'm just going to go to my...

00:17:30.000 I have to just work out.

00:17:31.000 I'm going to go just read.

00:17:32.000 I have to take care of something.

00:17:34.000 I was literally out, dude.

00:17:36.000 Yeah, you were snoring.

00:17:38.000 I really prepared for this.

00:17:40.000 I always work out, but I did a lot of stair climber for this. 1.00

00:17:44.000 You're a dick, man. 1.00

00:17:45.000 I didn't do shit. 1.00

00:17:46.000 Of course you did. 1.00

00:17:46.000 That's smart. 1.00

00:17:47.000 And I did a lot of elliptical on like very heavy, like I put the elliptical on like number 21 and just fucking... 0.96

00:17:52.000 And I'd do sprints. 0.87

00:17:55.000 Yeah.

00:17:56.000 Well, I knew, man.

00:17:56.000 I should have done that.

00:17:57.000 I knew.

00:17:57.000 I should have just run hills with a pack on my back.

00:18:00.000 Well, also, I did a lot of bodyweight squats.

00:18:03.000 Bodyweight squats and pistol squats.

00:18:04.000 Pistol squat's important because there's a lot of times you're picking yourself up with one leg.

00:18:08.000 Yeah.

00:18:08.000 You know?

00:18:09.000 Like you're... 0.99

00:18:09.000 We were, first of all, I don't know how you guys did it, but Renella will climb up some treacherous fucking surfaces. 0.99

00:18:16.000 Well, they told me that, Giannis told me that we were moving at a simple pace, like not a hard pace. 0.96

00:18:24.000 He goes, and he said, you have no idea how fast.

00:18:26.000 He goes, have you ever been with Renell?

00:18:27.000 I said, no.

00:18:27.000 He said, you have no idea how fast he moves.

00:18:30.000 And that's when he said it.

00:18:32.000 He said, we were literally moving at our own time.

00:18:35.000 Well, Remy Warren, I don't know if they've ever tested Ranella's cardio, but Remy, who's also a big-time hunter, he hunts 300 days a year, he's got that show Solo Hunter, and he's got a few shows that he's working on right now with Dan Doty.

00:18:47.000 Fascinating guy, but his cardio is so good, it's at elite endurance athlete levels.

00:18:55.000 They tested his cardio, and his VO2 max is off the charts. 0.87

00:19:00.000 And it's because he's usually got 100 pounds of elk on his back, and he's climbing uphill, and it's 9,000 fucking feet elevation. 0.87

00:19:08.000 And he does that all the time. 0.98

00:19:10.000 That's crazy.

00:19:11.000 Because he lives in Reno, and he does a lot of his hunts.

00:19:13.000 A lot of his hunts are mountain hunts.

00:19:15.000 He does mountain hunts in New Zealand during the off-season.

00:19:17.000 He's constantly climbing up mountains.

00:19:20.000 Yeah.

00:19:20.000 So, your lung capacity...

00:19:23.000 Different kind of shape.

00:19:24.000 It's a different thing.

00:19:25.000 Because you're also doing it all day.

00:19:27.000 Well, Bernal was telling me that he took these bodybuilders out with him, these powerlifter guys.

00:19:31.000 And then there's big, strong guys.

00:19:33.000 And, you know, so like, what we're going to do is going to require, you know, a lot of endurance.

00:19:37.000 And this guy's like, we're in incredible shape.

00:19:39.000 Don't worry about it.

00:19:40.000 He said literally 30 minutes in, they were throwing up.

00:19:43.000 30 minutes in.

00:19:45.000 Wow.

00:19:45.000 He's like, this is a long day.

00:19:47.000 Like, do you understand that we're going to do this for eight hours?

00:19:49.000 And you're throwing up.

00:19:50.000 Because when you have...

00:19:51.000 If you look at a guy like Ranella, okay?

00:19:53.000 Ranella probably weighs... 0.99

00:19:57.000 165, 170, somewhere around there.

00:19:59.000 He's a lean, thin guy.

00:20:00.000 661, maybe?

00:20:02.000 Lean and thin, and been doing it his whole life.

00:20:04.000 And his specialty is mountain hunting.

00:20:07.000 So he's constantly climbing, which is great, because he can give you all the tips on, like, gear and what kind of... 0.98

00:20:12.000 It makes a big goddamn difference. 0.79

00:20:14.000 I had two different types of shoes. 0.98

00:20:16.000 One, you know, because I knew that they were probably going to get soaked, and one, which worked out really good, the Schneez, and these other ones, I won't name, that sucked a fat one. 1.00

00:20:23.000 They were terrible.

00:20:24.000 They just were slippery.

00:20:27.000 We're good to go.

00:20:43.000 I'm carrying a pack and a gun and all these things I'm not used to.

00:20:46.000 And you're constantly trying to go. 0.99

00:20:50.000 If you're bigger than that, like a big power builder guy, a big power lifter, one of those 250 pound characters, that extra 50 pounds will fucking sap your heart, man. 0.94

00:20:59.000 How did they do? 0.98

00:21:01.000 Terrible!

00:21:02.000 They were throwing up a half an hour in.

00:21:03.000 They were done.

00:21:04.000 I mean, he's like, literally, they were like, you know, an hour into the trip, they're stopped, hands on their knees.

00:21:10.000 They don't train for it.

00:21:12.000 It's a different body type.

00:21:13.000 Well, powerlifters are terrible when you see them doing jiu-jitsu.

00:21:17.000 This guy, Marius Pujanowski, you know who he is?

00:21:19.000 Yeah, I know.

00:21:20.000 Strongest man in the world for a while.

00:21:21.000 Just unbelievable brute of a man.

00:21:24.000 He started fighting MMA, and Tim Sylvia, who has like...

00:21:29.000 Tim's a great fighter, but he does not have a good body, you know?

00:21:32.000 Sorry, Tim, if you're listening.

00:21:33.000 I mean, look, when he was in his best shape, like, versus Rico Rodriguez when he won the UFC heavyweight title...

00:21:39.000 He's not Hector Lombard, in other words.

00:21:40.000 He's just genetic.

00:21:42.000 It's just genetic.

00:21:42.000 It's 100% genetic.

00:21:44.000 I mean, he's pigeon-toed. 0.99

00:21:45.000 That's genetic.

00:21:46.000 I mean, I think, unless Kelly Starrett says that it's not...

00:21:49.000 He's probably right.

00:21:51.000 I've always felt like people who walk like that, it's just the way they're born, but I bet that could be corrected. 1.00

00:21:56.000 He thinks it's emulating.

00:21:58.000 Kelly, who created this crazy ball that you're supposed to roll on your back, this wad, I forget what this is called, workout of the day, I forget what this is called, supernova, that's what it's called.

00:22:07.000 This is the latest and greatest of those things that you roll on to massage your back.

00:22:12.000 I bought three of these. 0.99

00:22:14.000 They're fucking amazing. 0.98

00:22:15.000 I don't want to go anywhere without one. 0.99

00:22:16.000 Yeah.

00:22:16.000 One of Mark Delagrate's students gave me this, and I just started ordering them.

00:22:21.000 They leave them in the office, they leave them around the house.

00:22:23.000 They're amazing.

00:22:24.000 Awesome.

00:22:24.000 But anyway, Sylvia, who is not a bodybuilder, he's not a powerlifter, he's just a really strong guy, he fought Pujanowski and beat the shit out of him.

00:22:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:22:34.000 He tired him, dragged him into deep water, and then fucked him up. 0.99

00:22:37.000 But Pudgenowski's goddamn crazy for challenging Tim Sylvia, former UFC heavyweight champion. 1.00

00:22:42.000 That is nuts. 0.98

00:22:44.000 He had like two MMA fights.

00:22:46.000 Sylvia would light him up.

00:22:46.000 He's built like this.

00:22:47.000 It's really weird you're talking about this because today my wife was having breakfast with the wife of two former NFL women.

00:22:58.000 Greats are really good players.

00:22:59.000 Giants.

00:23:00.000 Andre Carter, who played for 13 years as a defensive end.

00:23:03.000 He's 6'5", 250. Looks like he's a different kind of human being.

00:23:06.000 And Marvell Smith, who was a tackle for the Steelers for like 10 years.

00:23:10.000 And they want to come hunting.

00:23:12.000 She was like, oh, they would love to come hunting.

00:23:13.000 And the first thing I thought was, these men are 250 and 320 pounds or whatever, respectively.

00:23:19.000 And I don't know if they can.

00:23:20.000 And with their knees after playing football for 13 years, it's going to be very hard for them to climb a mountain.

00:23:25.000 Yeah, a lot of those guys, they're done when they're old.

00:23:27.000 It's just different.

00:23:28.000 It's just a different kind of thing.

00:23:29.000 Well, it's also, when you have damage to those primary joints, hips and knees, you really see the loss of mobility. 0.91

00:23:36.000 It's pretty goddamn substantial.

00:23:38.000 Although, apparently, they have pretty amazing new artificial knees. 0.96

00:23:43.000 They're getting better and better at it. 1.00

00:23:45.000 Dude, they're growing dicks. 1.00

00:23:46.000 What? 1.00

00:23:47.000 Yes.

00:23:48.000 Stop everything.

00:23:48.000 I just tweeted it today.

00:23:49.000 Ah!

00:23:50.000 And they've done this for folks who have, you know, like issues.

00:23:55.000 Microphalluses?

00:23:56.000 Or mutilation, injury, circumcision injuries, things along those lines.

00:24:03.000 Or war injuries.

00:24:04.000 Yeah, anything along those lines. 0.99

00:24:05.000 Wait, so they're growing dicks? 0.99

00:24:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:24:08.000 Jamie, if you go to my tweeter, there's a dude named Vincent Salazar, who, Vincent Salazar11.com.

00:24:17.000 And it says, his tweet to me is, it may not be a pill, but it will be a boob job for men. 0.80

00:24:24.000 Well, maybe they're printing out tissue the way they do with other tissue?

00:24:28.000 I didn't read it.

00:24:29.000 I gave it a cursory glance.

00:24:31.000 But apparently they're about five years away.

00:24:33.000 They look rather small there.

00:24:34.000 Well, these are just cells, bro.

00:24:36.000 These are just cells. 0.97

00:24:37.000 I mean, they're five years away from being able to grow laboratory dicks. 0.95

00:24:42.000 I want something with heft that folds over when I'm holding it to pee. 0.99

00:24:46.000 I want it to fold, like, in half.

00:24:48.000 I want it to have a lot left over.

00:24:49.000 What about this?

00:24:50.000 Would you take, like, say... 1.00

00:24:52.000 Do you think that dudes who have, like, medium-sized dicks are going to take a chance and get their dick lopped off and get a new one put on, hoping that their body's going to accept it? 0.99

00:25:03.000 That's a very, very sacred part of a man, right? 0.99

00:25:07.000 I mean, that's...

00:25:09.000 That's a huge...

00:25:10.000 Like, if you were going into that as a venture capitalist, with the assumption that men would do that, I would tell you not to put your money into it. 0.99

00:25:16.000 I would tell you to put your money into it, because there's some dudes out there with some one-inch dicks. 1.00

00:25:21.000 Well, that's a whole different story, but if you have a medium dick, I would imagine, you know... 1.00

00:25:25.000 A medium dick. 1.00

00:25:25.000 I don't know what that's like, because I've got a piece on me. 1.00

00:25:28.000 You've got a giant dick. 1.00

00:25:29.000 But there was a guy that was a performance artist, and part of his performance art was that he would take all his clothes off. 1.00

00:25:36.000 And he had a dick that was, and I'm not bullshitting, the size of the last digit of my pinky. 0.98

00:25:42.000 I've been in enough acting classes and seen enough nude scenes, and there are some dudes, and one dude who was just a macho guy, he was a hairdresser, and he did a naked scene, and I am telling you, I am telling you, I can see just the head of it in a sea of black hair. 0.99

00:25:59.000 We had a dude on Fear Factor.

00:26:01.000 And there was a naked Fear Factor.

00:26:03.000 The one and only naked Fear Factor.

00:26:05.000 Where we got in trouble for it.

00:26:06.000 Because we made these people do a naked fashion show. 1.00

00:26:08.000 They took their clothes off, they went out on the runway and they spun around. 0.99

00:26:11.000 And this one guy was this fucking yoked up dude. 0.98

00:26:13.000 Looked like he was a macho guy. 0.99

00:26:17.000 And he talked about it beforehand.

00:26:19.000 He's like, alright, here we go. 1.00

00:26:20.000 And he went out there like a fucking stud. 1.00

00:26:22.000 Good for him. 1.00

00:26:23.000 God bless him.

00:26:23.000 You know what?

00:26:24.000 Hand him. 0.78

00:26:25.000 He was like, you know what? 1.00

00:26:26.000 Here's my dick. 1.00

00:26:27.000 I got a personality and I can bench more than everybody in this room. 1.00

00:26:30.000 Well, he's like, you know, hey, man, I didn't fucking fail dick school. 0.99

00:26:33.000 That's right. 0.99

00:26:34.000 This is what I was born with.

00:26:35.000 It's all good.

00:26:36.000 But maybe he would lop it off and get one of these giant ones.

00:26:41.000 Yeah, I mean, if you could add tissue to your wang... 0.96

00:26:44.000 Hey, by the way, most guys with 12-inch sticks would be like, I'll add another inch. 0.99

00:26:48.000 No fucking way. 0.99

00:26:50.000 Sure. 1.00

00:26:50.000 No. 1.00

00:26:51.000 Guys are extreme.

00:26:52.000 Guys are like, eh, I'll add some stuff to it. 0.98

00:26:54.000 Well, that would be like those crazy girls who have breast implants that are just unbelievably ridiculous, like basketball-sized, and they want to get them bigger. 1.00

00:27:03.000 A lot of guys, there's this... 1.00

00:27:05.000 There's a lot of guys in, I don't know if it's just the gay community, but the special they did was two guys in the gay community who were shooting their dicks with silicone. 1.00

00:27:15.000 Liquid silicone? 1.00

00:27:16.000 And saline too, they do that, right?

00:27:18.000 Yeah, and so it created this, and the problem was, it just created this amorphous blob that they would stuff into jeans. 0.99

00:27:25.000 And they'd be like, check this out, sorry about my dick. 0.99

00:27:28.000 Sorry about my piece. 0.99

00:27:31.000 Just stretching my Sergio Valente's. 1.00

00:27:33.000 All fucking... 1.00

00:27:34.000 The outside of it was all pudgy and dimpled. 1.00

00:27:38.000 Oh, dimpled. 0.99

00:27:39.000 Like cottage cheese dick. 0.99

00:27:40.000 What's that bump? 0.99

00:27:41.000 I don't know.

00:27:42.000 Silicon gone awry.

00:27:45.000 Can you imagine? 1.00

00:27:46.000 Damn silicon. 1.00

00:27:47.000 So unpredictable. 0.99

00:27:48.000 I mean, you think about when people have cellulite on their legs. 1.00

00:27:52.000 Imagine if you got that on your dick. 1.00

00:27:54.000 Like, if a cellulite dick... 1.00

00:27:56.000 Have you ever, like some of those medical journals, I sat next to a dermatologist, oh no, a plastic surgeon, and she was going through her iPad and she had pictures, and I was sitting next to her, she was asking me about acting, and I was, 0.96

00:28:11.000 she was showing me, and some of them, she was really, she was covering the faces of these patients with her hand so I wouldn't see their faces, because she was that professional, even on a plane.

00:28:22.000 She was trying to protect their privacy or whatever.

00:28:24.000 I saw this guy had a growth on his body, on his shoulder.

00:28:28.000 It looked like a shoulder pad of skin, of cauliflower.

00:28:32.000 And I said, how do you take that off?

00:28:35.000 And she said, you don't.

00:28:36.000 And I said, what do you mean?

00:28:36.000 She goes, it's just too full of blood vessels.

00:28:38.000 He would die.

00:28:39.000 This is part of his body, and he has to have it.

00:28:41.000 I go, so he just leaves a giant flap of cauliflower on his back and shoulders?

00:28:48.000 She said, yeah, unfortunately.

00:28:49.000 It's just a deformity.

00:28:50.000 Wow.

00:28:51.000 And there's so many.

00:28:52.000 You see those medical journals and you're like, oh boy.

00:28:54.000 Some people, you know, don't realize how lucky you are.

00:28:57.000 Oh, I do.

00:28:58.000 Just to be...

00:28:58.000 After hiking in Canada, I do.

00:29:00.000 Living in some civilization.

00:29:01.000 Well, we're in Canada.

00:29:03.000 We're in Alaska.

00:29:03.000 I'm in Alaska.

00:29:04.000 Alaska is America.

00:29:04.000 Looks like it's Canada.

00:29:06.000 Should be Canada. 0.71

00:29:06.000 It's British Columbia is like around the corner. 0.71

00:29:08.000 Well, we stole it from Russia, right? 0.98

00:29:09.000 Isn't that the deal?

00:29:10.000 Probably.

00:29:11.000 They can have it back.

00:29:12.000 No! 1.00

00:29:12.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:29:13.000 That place is awesome, man. 1.00

00:29:14.000 Alaska.

00:29:15.000 Good people in Alaska.

00:29:16.000 Well, that's one of the things that I realized when I went to Anchorage with Ari when we went fishing and then we did some shows up there at the Bear's Tooth.

00:29:24.000 The thing about Alaska is that there's this insane wilderness around them, and there's not a shit ton of people, so they develop this different kind of community.

00:29:35.000 Even though Anchorage is a real city, there's a nice bond.

00:29:40.000 I think it's because they may have to rely on each other in a real way. 1.00

00:29:43.000 Oh yeah, there's fucking bears! 1.00

00:29:45.000 Look, dude, when we were in Anchorage, there was just that year a fucking kid on campus was killed by a moose. 1.00

00:29:50.000 What? 0.99

00:29:50.000 Yes! 0.99

00:29:51.000 Whoa.

00:29:52.000 Yes!

00:29:53.000 Well, listen, we met a guy, Matt, what's his last name?

00:29:57.000 Matt.

00:29:58.000 Which guy?

00:29:59.000 The guy who took care of us.

00:30:00.000 Matt from Alaska.

00:30:01.000 Yeah, Matt from Alaska, who drove us to the airport.

00:30:05.000 Sent our bags.

00:30:06.000 Just did us a solid that most people would never do in LA. Matt Hamilton.

00:30:10.000 Matt Hamilton.

00:30:11.000 You handed him your very expensive, you know, stuff.

00:30:14.000 Yeah.

00:30:15.000 Well, he's a good dude.

00:30:16.000 You know, you get a sense of people, like, in these communities where they're...

00:30:23.000 It's not like the hustle and bustle of New York City where there's a million rats all stuck in a maze and everybody's fucking fighting for the last crumb of cheese and jammed up in traffic.

00:30:32.000 No, these folks are fishing. 0.99

00:30:34.000 That guy was offering us fucking halibut. 0.99

00:30:35.000 I got some frozen halibut. 1.00

00:30:37.000 I got deer.

00:30:37.000 I can run back and get deer.

00:30:38.000 He caught a 160 pound halibut.

00:30:42.000 That's crazy.

00:30:43.000 That's a person.

00:30:45.000 Yeah.

00:30:45.000 It's, I mean, and a halibut.

00:30:46.000 It's like literally probably almost the size of this desk that we're sitting at.

00:30:50.000 I couldn't believe how big it is.

00:30:50.000 It's like a giant flounder.

00:30:51.000 Yeah.

00:30:52.000 Looks like a flounder on steroids.

00:30:53.000 It's in the flounder family, yeah.

00:30:54.000 Yeah.

00:30:54.000 That's an amazing, amazing part of the world.

00:30:56.000 And the fishing there is just, the waters are so rich.

00:31:00.000 Alaska truly is like the last wilderness.

00:31:03.000 The last great wilderness.

00:31:04.000 I love those shows.

00:31:05.000 I don't know if you ever watched them.

00:31:07.000 Life Below Zero and stuff?

00:31:09.000 Do you watch those?

00:31:09.000 I haven't watched any of them.

00:31:10.000 Fucking great, man. 0.98

00:31:11.000 Life Below Zero is the best out of all those. 0.99

00:31:13.000 There's Alaska, The Last Frontier, which is pretty good too, but I caught a little fuckery on that show.

00:31:18.000 You did? 0.69

00:31:18.000 Yeah. 0.69

00:31:19.000 They're doing some fucking reality TV show bullshit. 1.00

00:31:22.000 Like, they had a bear that was there, and they were running away from the bear, and they were fishing on this river. 1.00

00:31:28.000 The guy and his wife were fishing on the river, and they're like, we gotta get away from this bear.

00:31:31.000 The bear's eating filleted salmon, so they baited the bear.

00:31:36.000 They baited the bear to get there, and then they could film him.

00:31:38.000 That's annoying.

00:31:39.000 The bear's eating a salmon.

00:31:40.000 I'm looking at these clean, like, fillet marks, where the fillets were removed from the body, but the head and the tail remained.

00:31:49.000 It wasn't anything that a bear did. 0.99

00:31:51.000 The bear didn't, like, catch that salmon and eat it there, and they didn't catch any salmon, so it was just bullshit. 0.98

00:31:56.000 They were just baiting. 0.99

00:31:57.000 They were like, oh, the bears, we've got to get out of here!

00:31:59.000 You can kind of tell whenever they're acting a little bit, too. 1.00

00:32:02.000 It's unfortunate, but that always happens in those goddamn shows, man. 1.00

00:32:06.000 They run out of shit to do. 0.99

00:32:08.000 But Life Below Zero, they follow five different people, or six different people, and there's always something that these people are doing, because they have to prepare for the river rising, they have to prepare for bears coming into camp, they have to prepare for all these different things. 0.99

00:32:23.000 So, fascinating stuff.

00:32:25.000 Nature, you know, it's interesting because if you look at anything in nature, including human beings, whether it's, you know, an ant or a spider rolling something, a web, whatever it is, everybody in nature is constantly fighting nature.

00:32:39.000 It's a fight, just to survive.

00:32:41.000 If you want to survive out there, you can see why man has always kind of pitted himself against nature, just the constant struggle of trying to push yourself back.

00:32:51.000 Into a situation where you don't have to deal and contend with nature.

00:32:54.000 We've done a pretty good job of it, you know, by figuring out ways to innovate and ways to control our environment and stuff.

00:33:00.000 But if you had to scratch out a living, and look at animals.

00:33:03.000 I mean, you can watch deer who don't move very much because they have to conserve energy.

00:33:08.000 And they have to stay in one area and they eat in that one area, then they move down to lower land.

00:33:12.000 But a lot of times, guess what happens that people don't realize with deer?

00:33:15.000 They starve to death.

00:33:16.000 Oh, not just sometimes, like often.

00:33:19.000 Often.

00:33:20.000 It happens all the time.

00:33:21.000 It's brutal.

00:33:22.000 Most of these people that are against hunting or that think that somehow or another that nature is supposed to be this peaceful thing, they don't understand what the reality of the life of these animals is.

00:33:35.000 Teddy Roosevelt had a great quote on people who don't understand hunting and people who have a problem with it who love nature, and he wrote that death by violence Death by cold, death by starvation, these are the normal ends of the noble and stately creatures of the wilderness.

00:33:55.000 The sentimentalists who prattle about the peaceful life of nature do not understand its utter mercilessness.

00:34:08.000 Life is hard and cruel, And these, oh, okay. 1.00

00:34:16.000 Wow, this is a fucked up speech. 0.99

00:34:18.000 And in what these sentimentalists call a state of nature. 1.00

00:34:24.000 Yeah, it's, in Hobbes said, short, brutish.

00:34:28.000 What is the expression?

00:34:31.000 Short and brutish.

00:34:34.000 Nature is tough.

00:34:36.000 Well, you know what it is?

00:34:37.000 It's indifferent.

00:34:38.000 That was one of the things that we said when we got to this place.

00:34:41.000 When we sat out there and looked out off the top of those mountains and we looked at all this...

00:34:47.000 You feel so insignificant.

00:34:48.000 No people.

00:34:49.000 No people.

00:34:50.000 Enormous, enormous place. 1.00

00:34:51.000 Not a fucking person to be seen. 0.99

00:34:53.000 And one of the first things that we were thinking was like, it's so indifferent. 1.00

00:34:56.000 It just doesn't give a fuck. 0.99

00:34:57.000 It doesn't give a fuck if you're here or... 0.99

00:34:59.000 Well, Ranella was saying also that, you know, the Native Americans that lived there were, you know, hundreds of years ago, whatever, stayed on the coast. 0.99

00:35:07.000 They ate a lot of shellfish and fished.

00:35:09.000 They didn't really go into the interior to get deer.

00:35:11.000 It's just so difficult to do.

00:35:13.000 Well, especially before they had firearms.

00:35:15.000 It was very difficult.

00:35:17.000 I mean, can you imagine?

00:35:17.000 I mean, you want to shoot an animal with a bow and arrow, especially an old school bow and arrow, you must get inside of 30 yards.

00:35:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:35:26.000 40 yards, you're fucking really pushing it, man. 0.99

00:35:29.000 Even with a compound bow, a 40-yard shot is very difficult to be accurate with. 0.98

00:35:34.000 And those old bows, a lot of them just didn't have the amount of power to pull. 0.99

00:35:38.000 The Mongols had these crazy fucking bows. 0.98

00:35:42.000 But they require like 160 pounds of pull. 1.00

00:35:44.000 Like you could probably shoot at a reliable 50-60 yard distance with those if you got really good at it, but you're fucking practicing with those goddamn things every day. 0.99

00:35:53.000 Sure. 1.00

00:35:54.000 If you have a spear, get the fuck out of here. 1.00

00:35:56.000 How far can you throw a spear? 1.00

00:35:57.000 Can you even throw a spear 10 yards?

00:35:59.000 I mean, how far can you reliably throw a spear?

00:36:02.000 Especially to make it, and throw it accurately?

00:36:04.000 And hit an animal and kill it or graze it and it's going to run off and go nowhere near you.

00:36:09.000 So they hung around where the water was because shellfish and netting, you can net fish and there was a more reliable way to capture meat.

00:36:19.000 Were you with me when, who was telling a story about how the Inuit would bend a bone?

00:36:23.000 They'd bend a bone and they would cover it in fat. 1.00

00:36:28.000 Yes.

00:36:28.000 And it would be frozen fat, and then the polar bear would come, eat the bone, and the bone would open, expand in the polar bear's stomach or throat, and suddenly it would basically take three days to die, and they would follow it until it died,

00:36:44.000 and then take just for the coat, because that's how they kept warm.

00:36:47.000 Well, one of the ways they used to kill wolves, they would take a knife, like a razor-sharp knife, and they would embed it into the ground and put blood on the knife.

00:36:54.000 So the wolves would come along and lick the knife and cut their tongue open and bleed to death.

00:36:58.000 Well, they would keep licking and bleeding and licking and bleeding. 0.94

00:37:01.000 Because they would taste the blood.

00:37:03.000 Yeah.

00:37:04.000 And then they would just die there. 1.00

00:37:05.000 Fucking dumb cunt wolves. 1.00

00:37:06.000 Kind of genius. 1.00

00:37:07.000 That's pretty brilliant.

00:37:08.000 Well, you know, people are ingenious when they have to stay alive.

00:37:11.000 Yeah.

00:37:11.000 And we obviously didn't have to stay alive.

00:37:13.000 We had meals.

00:37:14.000 We had food. 0.99

00:37:15.000 We had, you know, we brought apples and protein bars and all kinds of shit. 0.99

00:37:18.000 Plenty of complaining, though. 0.99

00:37:19.000 Plenty of complaining.

00:37:19.000 But think about if we had to live off the land while we were there.

00:37:23.000 What the fuck did we find? 0.99

00:37:24.000 We found a couple salamanders. 0.99

00:37:26.000 We saw a duck.

00:37:27.000 Six or seven blueberries.

00:37:29.000 Yeah, there was these blueberries.

00:37:30.000 There were these microscopic, like a head of a match blueberries.

00:37:34.000 And they tasted like powder.

00:37:36.000 They tasted like nothing.

00:37:37.000 Good luck surviving, ladies and gentlemen.

00:37:39.000 I ate a handful of them, and one of them was kind of sweet. 0.99

00:37:42.000 But you go to Whole Foods, you get these fucking juicy GMO blueberries. 0.98

00:37:46.000 Don't even know where they came from. 0.99

00:37:48.000 Who cares?

00:37:48.000 They're a tennis ball size.

00:37:50.000 You fucking bite down on them and they blow up in your mouth. 0.99

00:37:52.000 And even then you're like, I need more food. 1.00

00:37:55.000 Yeah.

00:37:56.000 Death by violence, death by cold, death by starvation. 1.00

00:38:00.000 Teddy Roosevelt was a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:38:02.000 Yep. 1.00

00:38:02.000 The normal ends. 1.00

00:38:03.000 Wasn't it Teddy Roosevelt who designated Yellowstone Park as a national park?

00:38:06.000 I don't know.

00:38:07.000 And Yosemite, I believe.

00:38:09.000 Did he?

00:38:09.000 Yep.

00:38:10.000 Smart man.

00:38:11.000 Yes, he was.

00:38:11.000 That's a good place for a national park.

00:38:14.000 That's an unbelievably beautiful place that's going to kill everybody eventually.

00:38:17.000 With the super volcano?

00:38:18.000 Yes.

00:38:18.000 I've been thinking about nothing else since you told me about that.

00:38:22.000 Terrifying.

00:38:23.000 That's the black swan, as they say.

00:38:25.000 That's like everybody's going about their life and all of a sudden, guess what?

00:38:27.000 There's a super volcano that could eradicate life on Earth.

00:38:30.000 Well, not just one.

00:38:31.000 There's six of them worldwide and two of them are in California, which is really crazy.

00:38:36.000 God, basically big zits on the Earth.

00:38:38.000 Yeah, there's supervolcanoes everywhere.

00:38:41.000 There's supervolcanoes all over the world.

00:38:43.000 And there's not just one in Yellowstone.

00:38:46.000 There's a gigantic supervolcano, I think we said in Indonesia, that they think is responsible for the reason why there is only...

00:38:56.000 You know, they believe that 75,000 years ago, this supervolcano in Indonesia exploded, and when it exploded, they think that that's why all human beings have some sort of a relationship to each other,

00:39:11.000 that we all came from an original group of human beings.

00:39:14.000 74,000 years ago, Toba, it's a caldera volcano in Sumatra. 1.00

00:39:19.000 It's ready for this, hold onto your dick. 1.00

00:39:23.000 1,080 square miles. 1.00

00:39:27.000 So people are living on top of it as we speak.

00:39:29.000 No, I don't know if they are or not, but it's in Sumatra, Indonesia.

00:39:34.000 And it's the only supervolcano in existence that can be described as Yellowstone's big sister.

00:39:40.000 74,000 years ago, Toba erupted and ejected several thousand times more material than erupted from Mount St. Helens in 1980. Several thousand times more.

00:39:53.000 Some researchers think that Toba's ancient super-eruption and the global cold spell it triggered might explain a mystery in the human genome.

00:40:01.000 Our genes suggest that we all come from a few thousand people just tens of thousands of years ago instead of From a much older, bigger lineage, as fossil evidence testifies.

00:40:13.000 So, we have the fossil evidence, which shows a much older...

00:40:17.000 Cro-Mags. 1.00

00:40:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:40:18.000 Broader lineage. 0.99

00:40:19.000 But the people of today all come from a few thousand people that might have been the only fucking human beings that survived this goddamn supervolcano 74,000 years ago. 0.96

00:40:27.000 So, that's why they can trace, like, Hasidic Jews in Finland or in Hungary. 0.98

00:40:31.000 To Africans. 0.98

00:40:32.000 Yeah, to Africans. 0.99

00:40:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:40:33.000 Unbelievable. 0.99

00:40:34.000 And that's all 74,000 years ago, man.

00:40:37.000 So, so, so...

00:40:38.000 So then, the...

00:40:40.000 But we do find with the genome that some people have some Cro-Magnon genes, right?

00:40:46.000 I think...

00:40:46.000 Well, we are Cro-Magnon.

00:40:48.000 I think you're thinking of Neanderthal.

00:40:49.000 I mean Neanderthal. 0.73

00:40:50.000 Yeah.

00:40:50.000 Well, there's...

00:40:51.000 I think there's... 1.00

00:40:52.000 Obviously, I'm an idiot. 1.00

00:40:53.000 Don't listen to me. 1.00

00:40:54.000 Google this.

00:40:55.000 But I think there's debate on this because I think that some believe that these genomes are from a common ancestor. 0.99

00:41:02.000 And that I think there's debate as to whether or not people fuck Neanderthals or Neanderthals fuck people we interbred. 0.99

00:41:07.000 I've joked around about it that I'm pretty sure someone in my past fucked a monkey. 0.99

00:41:14.000 When people were just starting to not be monkeys anymore. 0.99

00:41:18.000 You're really flexible.

00:41:19.000 You've got long arms.

00:41:20.000 Let me just one more time.

00:41:22.000 One more time.

00:41:22.000 I'm just going to get back in there.

00:41:23.000 And somehow the monkey got pregnant. 1.00

00:41:25.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:41:26.000 And that's where my line came from. 0.99

00:41:29.000 Simi and G. But I think that there's debate as to whether or not humans interbred with Neanderthals and that's why or whether or not we have a common ancestor. 0.99

00:41:38.000 I don't think it's been completely figured out yet, but if Neanderthals were around, for sure somebody would fuck one. 0.99

00:41:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:45.000 People fuck chickens. 1.00

00:41:46.000 At least one person. 1.00

00:41:47.000 I've seen people fuck chickens. 0.99

00:41:48.000 My buddy was a cop. 1.00

00:41:49.000 He found a guy fucking a chicken in a car. 0.99

00:41:52.000 He was a family man. 1.00

00:41:53.000 And he had a chicken under a fucking towel. 0.99

00:41:55.000 And he goes, what are you doing? 1.00

00:41:57.000 He goes, nothing.

00:41:58.000 First of all, I love that expression.

00:41:59.000 Family man.

00:42:00.000 He's a family man.

00:42:01.000 He's a family man in San Francisco. 1.00

00:42:03.000 He's fucking a chicken under a towel. 1.00

00:42:05.000 Excuse me, sir. 1.00

00:42:06.000 Is that illegal?

00:42:07.000 I think it is illegal.

00:42:08.000 Like, they can arrest you for cruelty to animals or something, but then again, you eat chicken?

00:42:12.000 I don't know.

00:42:13.000 Yeah, isn't that weird?

00:42:14.000 But they had to make a...

00:42:15.000 It's like public indecency. 1.00

00:42:16.000 I think they get you on stuff like that, but you were fucking a chicken. 0.99

00:42:19.000 Although, how about this? 0.99

00:42:21.000 That's a very good question, because... 1.00

00:42:23.000 Yes, Your Honor, I fuck the chicken under a towel. 1.00

00:42:26.000 It's my thing. 1.00

00:42:27.000 Free country. 0.97

00:42:29.000 You kill and eat chickens.

00:42:31.000 Right.

00:42:32.000 So, I don't know. 1.00

00:42:33.000 And I should be able to fuck the chicken, then kill and eat it, technically. 1.00

00:42:37.000 Or kill and then fuck it. 1.00

00:42:38.000 But that's like you're a weirdo. 1.00

00:42:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:42:42.000 If you kill it and then fuck it, you're like some sort of necrophiliac. 1.00

00:42:45.000 I wonder if that's a law, though. 1.00

00:42:48.000 I have a joke about it.

00:42:49.000 Have you ever heard the joke?

00:42:49.000 No.

00:42:50.000 Well, it's a bit about you can kill an animal, but you're not allowed to fuck it. 1.00

00:42:54.000 But what you can do is take a meal-sized portion and use it to jerk off with. 1.00

00:42:59.000 If someone came into your house, you were jerking off with a chicken cutlet? 1.00

00:43:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:43:02.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:43:03.000 I can't have my privacy? 1.00

00:43:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:43:05.000 Like, it's my chicken.

00:43:07.000 Yeah.

00:43:07.000 But as long as it's...

00:43:08.000 Like, no one would stop you.

00:43:10.000 Like, look, look.

00:43:11.000 Okay.

00:43:11.000 A fleshlight.

00:43:12.000 What's a fleshlight?

00:43:13.000 A fleshlight is something that resembles flesh that's made out of, like, some sort of a rubber, whatever, epoxy. 0.97

00:43:18.000 I don't know what the fuck it's made out of. 0.76

00:43:20.000 Polymer. 1.00

00:43:21.000 You're putting your penis in that because it feels like flesh. 0.99

00:43:24.000 Well, how green would it be to take an actual chicken cutlet, use it to jerk off with, warm it up in a microwave so it feels like flesh, or let it sit at room temperature, whatever. 1.00

00:43:34.000 You jerk off with it, and then you cook it and eat it.

00:43:36.000 That's like you're making best use of all the materials. 0.99

00:43:40.000 That would be, probably they couldn't do anything to you. 0.99

00:43:44.000 But if you fucked a chicken, they could probably do something to you. 0.99

00:43:47.000 Well, Jonathan Haidt, who is a guy who studies this, he wrote a book called The Happiness Hypothesis, talks exactly about this example. 1.00

00:43:53.000 He said, if you masturbated, if you took a dead chicken and you ate it, it would be fine. 0.99

00:44:00.000 If you took the dead chicken, fucked it, came in it, and then ate it, people would be like, oh! 1.00

00:44:06.000 He's another really difficult example. 1.00

00:44:07.000 What if you didn't come?

00:44:08.000 What if you're like a tantric guy?

00:44:09.000 Good question. 1.00

00:44:10.000 You put your penis in and you're like... 1.00

00:44:12.000 That's how I fuck chickens. 1.00

00:44:14.000 I draw the line in actually cum in them. 1.00

00:44:17.000 I cum on them. 1.00

00:44:18.000 I cum on them. 1.00

00:44:19.000 You just get that tight end. 1.00

00:44:22.000 That's the weakest muscle I have.

00:44:24.000 Everything else is really strong.

00:44:27.000 My muscle's gotten better as I've gotten older.

00:44:30.000 It's like an old lady's underarm. 1.00

00:44:32.000 You know, old ladies, underneath their arm just fucking dangles. 1.00

00:44:35.000 There's no power to it. 1.00

00:44:38.000 You got no strength.

00:44:39.000 Old ladies can't do dips. 1.00

00:44:40.000 In your cum muscle. 1.00

00:44:42.000 Put like a weight belt on an old lady and tell her to do dips. 1.00

00:44:44.000 That's like how strong my cum muscle is. 0.98

00:44:47.000 The dam breaks. 0.92

00:44:47.000 Yeah, it just goes. 0.92

00:44:48.000 It's made of tissue paper.

00:44:49.000 It's basically curtains.

00:44:51.000 Yeah, it doesn't have any power to hold back. 0.99

00:44:53.000 But Jonathan Haidt talks about fucking... 0.99

00:44:56.000 He used that example, then he used another example where he says, if a brother and sister in the woods use protection and have sex... 0.99

00:45:05.000 It's the same idea.

00:45:06.000 We immediately go, oh, that's wrong.

00:45:08.000 Oh.

00:45:09.000 But he says, okay, it's wrong.

00:45:11.000 It is.

00:45:12.000 That's taboo in most cultures.

00:45:14.000 But, again, they're not having kids, they had sex, and nobody's getting hurt.

00:45:18.000 They're both, you know, they go on with their lives.

00:45:20.000 What is that?

00:45:21.000 Why do we have this revulsion?

00:45:22.000 We have this built-in, we as a society, as people, universally have these very interesting through lines in culture.

00:45:29.000 One being that all cultures recognize, all cultures, no matter how primitive, recognize humorous insults.

00:45:35.000 Every culture, no matter how primitive, has a form of humorous insults for each other.

00:45:39.000 They make fun of each other.

00:45:41.000 Every culture?

00:45:42.000 Yes.

00:45:43.000 Even Japanese? 0.92

00:45:44.000 According to Steven Pinker, every culture they've ever studied, 100%, has a place for humorous insult.

00:45:50.000 So making fun, ribbing each other, right?

00:45:52.000 And you're talking about the most primitive tribes or the most aboriginal tribes and the most technologically advanced tribes all have always had some form of humorous insults. 0.56

00:46:05.000 The other is a recognition for certain things that are...

00:46:09.000 Taboo.

00:46:10.000 Yes.

00:46:10.000 But they're different across the board culturally.

00:46:13.000 Like we were talking about those cultures in New Guinea.

00:46:15.000 The semen warriors in New Guinea that have this crazy thing where they molest young boys. 1.00

00:46:20.000 Or widow strangling, where if a woman's husband dies, the next man closest to the husband strangles her.

00:46:29.000 Yeah.

00:46:29.000 But those are very, very isolated tribes that have not shared any ideas with other people, that had no cross-pollination.

00:46:39.000 So you're going to get very weird, fetishistic sort of examples of human behavior in that.

00:46:45.000 Yeah, and that's also like, we know that when people molest children, that those children who have been molested often have this very distorted idea of sexuality and sometimes become abusers themselves.

00:46:58.000 Yeah.

00:47:05.000 It's still very small in relation. 0.78

00:47:22.000 They take these young boys away from their mother at a very early age, and they start having sex with them. 0.97

00:47:27.000 And they do it because they say that the boy needs semen in order to grow up strong and healthy. 1.00

00:47:32.000 By ingesting semen, either through their mouth or through their butt. 1.00

00:47:36.000 And this is how they grow up. 0.99

00:47:38.000 I mean, this is the semen warriors of New Guinea. 0.99

00:47:40.000 Google it and freak the fuck out. 0.97

00:47:42.000 New Guinea has, Jared Diamond did so many examples, so many crazy examples of insane human behavior. 1.00

00:47:47.000 It's usually probably some lone pervert who's like, let's fuck boys, and now he's the leader. 0.99

00:47:53.000 But, you know, that's why they have cannibalism and all kinds of stuff. 0.99

00:47:56.000 But whenever you see a large population, a civilization, of people who have been able to cross-pollinate ideas.

00:48:03.000 So if you take huge areas, the Bantu Belt of Africa, the Fertile Crescent of North Africa and of the Middle East, China, for example. 0.97

00:48:12.000 That's where taboos have strong sexual undercurrents, where certain sexual activity, a lot of times, is very taboo.

00:48:20.000 And there's a lot of similarities you can draw with that, which is interesting.

00:48:25.000 So there are through lines you can draw with cultures.

00:48:27.000 You do get those aberrations with those smaller groups of people that do really weird stuff.

00:48:31.000 They're just isolated people. 0.97

00:48:32.000 We were talking about the New Guinea people when we were on our trip, about eating their dead bodies and the way they would explain this insane fucking thing that they... 1.00

00:48:42.000 Yeah, well, I had Jared Diamond on the podcast and I said, tell me about, you've seen them cannibalize. 0.94

00:48:48.000 And he said, you really want to know about it?

00:48:49.000 I said, yeah.

00:48:49.000 He said, well, you asked for it.

00:48:51.000 And he said, some tribes, when they would have warring, they'd have a war and they'd kill somebody, they would eat, they'd chop it up, cook the body.

00:48:59.000 But, there are tribes in Papua New Guinea that will take the body, like if a relative dies.

00:49:05.000 They'll take the body, they'll lay it out naked on slats of wood, so there are slats, so there are holes, and they put buckets under the slats, and they let the body just putrefy and gel to the point where it starts to drip into the buckets.

00:49:19.000 And then they take their sweet potatoes, and they dip their sweet potatoes into the human goo. 0.81

00:49:26.000 And they eat it.

00:49:28.000 Oh, and here's the other problem.

00:49:30.000 The reason a lot of...

00:49:32.000 Life expectancy for most of them in the Highlands was like 40 years old.

00:49:37.000 Most died by violent deaths from interwar and from infection and things.

00:49:42.000 But they would also, when they would do that, they would get what they called laughing disease.

00:49:46.000 Kukuri, which is Kreuzfeld, Jacobs Kreuzfeld.

00:49:49.000 What is that?

00:49:50.000 It's like mad cow disease, essentially.

00:49:51.000 From eating brain and all that stuff.

00:49:54.000 Brain tissue, yeah.

00:49:55.000 So don't eat people, guys.

00:49:56.000 And don't let the body gel and putrefy.

00:49:58.000 At least cook.

00:49:59.000 And eat a filet. 1.00

00:50:00.000 If you're going to eat somebody, eat the chest, the ass. 1.00

00:50:03.000 In Joe Rogan's case, he's got a set of cheeks on him. 1.00

00:50:05.000 And you've got some big legs.

00:50:06.000 I was looking at your legs.

00:50:07.000 I think your legs have actually gotten bigger. 1.00

00:50:09.000 You had your pants off for a second near the campfire trying to dry your ass out. 1.00

00:50:13.000 As we were talking, Joe was literally doing squats, hanging his wet ass over the fire. 0.99

00:50:19.000 And I was like, looking at your legs, I was like, the kid's got a strong lower body. 1.00

00:50:23.000 He looks like a centaur.

00:50:25.000 Well, I told you, I did prepare for this.

00:50:27.000 Yeah.

00:50:27.000 I worked out for two months.

00:50:28.000 Why didn't you tell me to prepare?

00:50:29.000 Because you wouldn't listen.

00:50:30.000 I would listen.

00:50:31.000 You wouldn't have done it.

00:50:32.000 I've been lifting heavy, as you can tell.

00:50:34.000 You barely work out. 1.00

00:50:34.000 Shut up. 1.00

00:50:35.000 I do not. 1.00

00:50:36.000 Look at my body.

00:50:36.000 I was doing a lot of kettlebell squats.

00:50:39.000 Taking 270s, clean them, get them here, and just... 1.00

00:50:42.000 Yeah.

00:50:44.000 Set to 25. Okay, I didn't do that.

00:50:46.000 That's a lot of work.

00:50:48.000 You were making that noise?

00:50:49.000 Yeah, you gotta breathe out.

00:50:51.000 I love when guys describe their body.

00:50:54.000 Bro, when I was lifting, dude, my chest was like...

00:50:57.000 And my abs were like... 0.76

00:51:00.000 Bro, my legs and ass were like...

00:51:03.000 Isn't it amazing what a calming and morale-boosting thing having a fire was for us? 0.99

00:51:10.000 Oh, God.

00:51:11.000 God, we couldn't build a fire for the first, what, three days?

00:51:14.000 Yeah.

00:51:15.000 And when we finally got that fire going...

00:51:17.000 It was me and Mike.

00:51:17.000 You led the charge.

00:51:18.000 We had this idea. 1.00

00:51:18.000 I was like, we're going to make a fucking fire. 1.00

00:51:20.000 Like, we have gasoline, we have whiskey. 0.99

00:51:22.000 Tell them what the best kindling is in the world.

00:51:25.000 Fritos.

00:51:26.000 Fritos.

00:51:27.000 Fritos. 1.00

00:51:27.000 Fritos, light on fire like a motherfucker. 1.00

00:51:29.000 And hold their flame. 1.00

00:51:30.000 Hold their flame.

00:51:31.000 Like those candles that you can't blow out on a birthday cake.

00:51:34.000 While we were in camp, I watched the documentary King Corn.

00:51:37.000 I had it on my laptop.

00:51:38.000 It was one of the days where we couldn't go anywhere.

00:51:40.000 I just sat and watched this.

00:51:41.000 I was worried that my laptop was going to cook and explode because it was like in a sea of dew.

00:51:46.000 But my laptop is tough because it's been spilled on.

00:51:49.000 So many times I've spilled coffee on it, it's tough with my laptop up. 0.99

00:51:52.000 But this fucking documentary is an amazing documentary. 0.98

00:51:56.000 King Corn, if you've never seen it, if you're interested at all in what the fuck is going on with corn and how many things corn is in in our country, you gotta watch this documentary. 0.99

00:52:06.000 These guys did an amazing job.

00:52:08.000 These two guys, they got out of college, Yeah,

00:52:24.000 we ingest so much of it.

00:52:26.000 You eat so much corn that your body's made out of corn. 1.00

00:52:28.000 It's like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.99

00:52:30.000 So these guys, they rented or leased an acre of land on this guy's property in Iowa, and they grew their own corn. 0.99

00:52:38.000 And grew it from the time it went to the ground, to adding pesticides, to taking it to market.

00:52:44.000 They went through the whole thing and then explained all the different things that corn is in. 0.98

00:52:49.000 And it is fucking stunning. 0.97

00:52:51.000 It's in everything. 0.98

00:52:51.000 It's also stunning how all of it is with subsidies. 0.98

00:52:54.000 And if it wasn't for government subsidies, all these people would lose money.

00:52:57.000 These guys got a check from the government to grow their acre of corn.

00:53:01.000 It was a small check, because it was only one acre.

00:53:03.000 But if they're growing 10,000, 30,000 acres, like a lot of these folks are, they rely on these government checks.

00:53:10.000 Ethanol, which we don't really need anymore, but ethanol is used, and now there's a very strong lobbying presence in Washington that's not going to let ethanol go away.

00:53:20.000 Ethanol has a cottage industry around it.

00:53:22.000 People make money off of growing corn for fuel, and there are a thousand examples of that.

00:53:28.000 Where corn has a very strong lobby, the sugar lobby is very strong.

00:53:31.000 There's another documentary called Fed Up about when the World Health Organization came along and said only 10% of your diet should be sugar of all kinds, whether it's fruit juice or just sugar.

00:53:43.000 It's just not good for your body.

00:53:44.000 We have the science to prove it.

00:53:53.000 We're good to go.

00:53:57.000 We're good to go.

00:54:13.000 And, you know, I got to watch that documentary because it's amazing how many interests, powerful interests get involved in getting you to eat corn, getting you to eat foods that, you know, in their byproducts that they make a lot of money off that may not be so good for your body.

00:54:29.000 Yeah, it's bizarre.

00:54:30.000 It's bizarre how bad it is for your body and how much of it is in foods.

00:54:35.000 Corn syrup, corn starch, corn proteins, corn this, corn that.

00:54:39.000 It's incredible, these corn additives.

00:54:42.000 And without the subsidies, it wouldn't be happening. 0.96

00:54:45.000 It's like our government is literally paying to keep our diets shitty. 0.95

00:54:49.000 That's right. 0.95

00:54:49.000 Because they're in bed with this industry. 0.95

00:54:51.000 And I'm really wondering, what would happen if hemp became legal worldwide and especially legal in the United States because we sell hemp food, we sell those hemp protein bars that I brought with us on the trip, those Onnit Hemp Force protein bars and Onnit Hemp Force powder,

00:55:10.000 but we have to buy our hemp from Canada and there's a bunch of different grades of it.

00:55:14.000 We buy the highest grade stuff.

00:55:15.000 It's very expensive and one of the reasons why it's very expensive is it's hard to grow and it's growing up in Canada.

00:55:21.000 Well, it's hard to grow in America.

00:55:22.000 It's impossible to grow, I should have said.

00:55:24.000 It's not subsidized either.

00:55:25.000 No, it's not subsidized.

00:55:26.000 You have to get it in Canada.

00:55:27.000 And the hearts, the hemp hearts, the best part of it is what we get.

00:55:32.000 And it's, you know, it's very high in protein.

00:55:34.000 But that could be all over this country. 0.99

00:55:37.000 And it's easy to fucking grow. 1.00

00:55:39.000 It's not susceptible to various bugs and bullshit and weeds. 1.00

00:55:44.000 It is a fucking weed. 1.00

00:55:45.000 It grows crazy easy. 1.00

00:55:46.000 And it's super healthy.

00:55:48.000 Is hemp a...

00:55:49.000 It's in the marijuana family, right?

00:55:51.000 This is what it is.

00:55:52.000 It's the male version of the plant.

00:55:55.000 The female version of the plant, yes, is where you get the THC. But they can grow acres and acres of non-psychoactive hemp. 1.00

00:56:04.000 You don't even test positive for THC if you eat hemp protein.

00:56:09.000 But if you eat poppy seed bagels, you test positive for heroin.

00:56:13.000 Wow.

00:56:14.000 People that are going through drug tests...

00:56:16.000 They don't touch poppy seeds?

00:56:18.000 Well, you can't.

00:56:19.000 They tell you don't eat poppy seeds for X amount of days. 1.00

00:56:21.000 Damn! 1.00

00:56:21.000 Because if you eat it, you turn up positive for heroin. 1.00

00:56:25.000 Yeah, it's fucking crazy. 1.00

00:56:26.000 That's crazy. 0.99

00:56:26.000 It's really crazy. 0.99

00:56:28.000 And hemp is, it has all the essential amino acids.

00:56:32.000 It's a far better source of paper.

00:56:34.000 It's far better building material.

00:56:36.000 Have you ever seen a hemp stalk?

00:56:38.000 Have you ever picked up a hemp stalk?

00:56:39.000 No.

00:56:39.000 Hemp stalk, okay.

00:56:41.000 You can make a rope out of it, I know that.

00:56:42.000 Oh yeah, well you make the best rope.

00:56:44.000 Okay, the best rope in the world.

00:56:46.000 Parachutes, George Sr., George Herbert Walker Bush, the parachute that he used to safely parachute in World War II, that was made out of hemp. 0.99

00:56:54.000 He parachuted to safety with a fucking hemp parachute. 0.99

00:56:56.000 Wow. 1.00

00:56:56.000 There was a video called Hemp for Victory, where in World War II they were... 1.00

00:57:01.000 This is post-illegalization, by the way.

00:57:04.000 They made it illegal in the 1930s.

00:57:06.000 Well, in the 1940s, they were encouraging farmers to grow hemp for the war effort.

00:57:10.000 Like, pull up hemp...

00:57:11.000 I believe that.

00:57:12.000 Pull up the YouTube video...

00:57:13.000 Did the nylon...

00:57:14.000 Pull up the YouTube video, Hemp for Victory.

00:57:16.000 It was part of it.

00:57:17.000 DuPont was in cahoots, allegedly, with William Randolph Hearst.

00:57:21.000 But William Randolph Hearst was the main reason why hemp became illegal.

00:57:24.000 And a lot of it was because he was going to have to convert all of his paper mills to hemp paper.

00:57:31.000 Hemp paper is way better.

00:57:32.000 Like, if you pick up regular paper...

00:57:34.000 Look at this.

00:57:35.000 Hemp for Victory.

00:57:36.000 Play the volume.

00:57:38.000 This was a propaganda film that they made in the 1940s to get people to start growing hemp for the war effort.

00:57:45.000 Wow. 0.99

00:57:46.000 Yeah, this is fucking crazy. 1.00

00:57:47.000 When you think about it, this shit is illegal today. 1.00

00:57:50.000 That's amazing. 1.00

00:57:51.000 Those buildings are made of hemp, you guys.

00:57:55.000 Just kidding.

00:57:56.000 Hemp was already old in the service of mankind. 0.97

00:57:59.000 For thousands of years even then, this plant had been grown for cordage and coarse cloth in China and elsewhere in the east.

00:58:10.000 For centuries prior to about 1850, all the ships that sailed the western seas were rigged with hemp and rope and sails.

00:58:18.000 For the sailor no less than the hangman, hemp was indispensable.

00:58:22.000 Do you know canvas comes from the word cannabis?

00:58:25.000 Canvas cloth, like canvas sails, those were all made out of hemp.

00:58:29.000 I just love their voices.

00:58:31.000 Back then, they talked about things.

00:58:34.000 They were very formal.

00:58:34.000 That was their version of the strip club DJ. That's right.

00:58:37.000 Hemp was something, and there's always the music behind with some flute.

00:58:40.000 Look at that.

00:58:41.000 Those are hemp chords.

00:58:41.000 Be a good American and buy hemp.

00:58:44.000 Even people in the East, China and other places.

00:58:47.000 So what happened was, in the 1930s, they came out with this invention called a decorticator.

00:58:52.000 And the decorticator, they used it to more effectively process the hemp fiber.

00:58:57.000 Before, they used slavery.

00:58:59.000 Slavery was the only way they would do it, like smash these fibers down.

00:59:02.000 And it wasn't as effective as cotton.

00:59:05.000 And so they came up with a cotton mill when Eli Whitney came up with a cotton mill, cotton gin.

00:59:10.000 When they started doing that, like, well, cotton's way easier now.

00:59:13.000 So they started making things out of cotton. 0.99

00:59:15.000 But then they came out with a decorticate and like, oh, shit, hemp is going to be making a comeback. 0.98

00:59:20.000 And they were saying hemp is a new billion-dollar crop. 0.99

00:59:22.000 Like, pull up the cover of Popular Science magazine.

00:59:28.000 In 1930...

00:59:29.000 I want to say 35, 37. The cover of Popular Science magazine said, Hemp, the new billion dollar crop.

00:59:38.000 It was the cover of this magazine.

00:59:40.000 And then right after that, it was made illegal.

00:59:42.000 And then DuPont and those other interests came along.

00:59:45.000 Just pull up Hemp the New Billion Dollar Crop. 1.00

00:59:48.000 It was made illegal. 1.00

00:59:49.000 It's on the cover of the fucking magazine. 1.00

00:59:50.000 Wow. 1.00

00:59:51.000 1938. There it is.

00:59:52.000 Wow.

00:59:53.000 Hemp.

00:59:53.000 They were going to use hemp clothes and hemp paper and hemp this and hemp food and hemp oils.

00:59:58.000 Hemp oils are super good for your body.

01:00:00.000 And not psychoactive at all.

01:00:02.000 When you said Eli Whitney, it was the same kind of thing.

01:00:05.000 I was thinking about how one man's invention made slavery... 0.97

01:00:09.000 And essentially there was a real abolitionist movement going on where slavery was really, the anti-slavery movement was gaining tremendous ground.

01:00:18.000 Because it was really hard to justify, of course.

01:00:20.000 And then when Eli Whitney came along with the cotton gin and all those southern plantations were like, we got all this free labor.

01:00:28.000 And this is white gold.

01:00:30.000 We're selling this stuff not only to Europe, but to North Africa, everywhere.

01:00:34.000 Everybody wants American cotton. 0.92

01:00:36.000 Not so fast.

01:00:37.000 We're not getting rid of slavery here.

01:00:38.000 This makes no sense.

01:00:39.000 We got a lot of free labor.

01:00:40.000 And thank you, Eli Whitney.

01:00:43.000 I always wonder, you come up with this amazing invention, but that's going to keep a people enslaved for about another hundred years.

01:00:49.000 Thank you very much. 1.00

01:00:50.000 It's just one of those weird things in history where you just go, fuck. 0.98

01:00:53.000 Well, it played a part, obviously. 0.99

01:00:56.000 Have you ever heard about this incredible historical story about Morse, how Morse code was invented?

01:01:01.000 No.

01:01:02.000 This is so amazing.

01:01:03.000 Morse was... 1.00

01:01:05.000 That's amazing shit. 1.00

01:01:07.000 But this is what's more amazing. 1.00

01:01:09.000 Morse was a painter, a very successful oil painter.

01:01:13.000 Very successful.

01:01:14.000 And his wife, he got a...

01:01:16.000 Before Morse code...

01:01:20.000 It's very important to remember that the only way to get a message to somebody throughout history, Alexander the Great and George Washington had to use the exact same methodology, which was horse, boat, or foot.

01:01:32.000 A messenger pigeon, but in very small areas.

01:01:35.000 What about crow?

01:01:37.000 Send a raven. 0.73

01:01:38.000 I'm afraid not a raven.

01:01:39.000 That's in Game of Thrones.

01:01:41.000 That's a lie.

01:01:42.000 That's a lie?

01:01:42.000 It's a lie.

01:01:43.000 But no, no, no.

01:01:44.000 They sent a raven.

01:01:45.000 I'm sorry, my friend.

01:01:46.000 That's a lie.

01:01:46.000 It's got to be a messenger.

01:01:49.000 Next thing you'll tell me the dragons aren't real.

01:01:51.000 Well, have you ever seen Here Be Dragons? 1.00

01:01:54.000 Dragons came out in a really pretty girl's pussy. 1.00

01:01:56.000 Yes, but crocodiles. 1.00

01:01:57.000 That's true.

01:01:58.000 That's what happened.

01:01:59.000 Don't give it away.

01:01:59.000 She's the mother of dragons.

01:02:00.000 I love that.

01:02:01.000 I can't wait till that comes back.

01:02:03.000 She's wonderful.

01:02:04.000 She's the mother of dragons. 1.00

01:02:05.000 Khaleesi.

01:02:06.000 Khaleesi.

01:02:06.000 What a good kid.

01:02:07.000 Khaleesi.

01:02:08.000 Hey, she's a queen, bro.

01:02:09.000 Whatever.

01:02:10.000 Hey, don't.

01:02:10.000 Your voice is getting all gravelly.

01:02:12.000 That's my friend Jimmy from back home.

01:02:14.000 Jimmy Dottilio used to say that whenever a girl was really perverted. 1.00

01:02:17.000 That's so New York.

01:02:18.000 Boston.

01:02:19.000 He would go, what a good kid.

01:02:20.000 Good kid.

01:02:21.000 She's a good kid.

01:02:22.000 Jimmy Burke does that.

01:02:23.000 Jimmy Burke used to always say that.

01:02:25.000 She's a good kid.

01:02:26.000 He used to say that, too.

01:02:27.000 Oh, yeah.

01:02:27.000 It's very New York.

01:02:28.000 Oh, so it's an East Coast thing.

01:02:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:02:29.000 Very East Coast.

01:02:30.000 So for perverts. 0.98

01:02:30.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:02:31.000 Well, I don't think, you know, my friend Jimmy was all Boston.

01:02:34.000 She's a good kid.

01:02:36.000 Ulysses Hedges Grant was the one who turned Yellowstone into a national park.

01:02:41.000 Theodore Roosevelt turned Yosemite.

01:02:42.000 Okay, Yosemite.

01:02:43.000 Yeah.

01:02:45.000 Thank you to DJ Jackpot.

01:02:47.000 Thank you, DJ. So Morse gets a message.

01:02:51.000 Your wife is sick in Connecticut.

01:02:53.000 He was in northern New York or something.

01:02:56.000 He gets on a horse and buggy and he goes down.

01:02:59.000 And by the time he gets there, he loved his wife.

01:03:01.000 She wasn't only dead, she had been buried.

01:03:03.000 So he never got a chance to say bye to her.

01:03:04.000 He's heartbroken.

01:03:05.000 And all he does as this painter, a painter, is he obsesses over how in the world he could figure out a way to not have that.

01:03:13.000 If he had gotten the message earlier, he could have gotten there to see his wife.

01:03:17.000 Seven years later, he's on an ocean liner and he meets a dude who's a scientist who's working with electromagnetic fields.

01:03:24.000 And he basically says, do you think it would be possible to use this electromagnetic field and get it somewhere else so that we can quicken time?

01:03:35.000 Long story short, he basically gets together with this guy who is a scientist on electromagnetic fields.

01:03:43.000 They send a message, and I can't remember whether it was from New York to Washington, D.C., but I think it was.

01:03:49.000 But at first it was a short distance.

01:03:51.000 It was only like, you know...

01:03:53.000 I don't know, a quarter mile or something.

01:03:55.000 Are you looking it up right now?

01:03:56.000 Washington and Baltimore.

01:03:57.000 Washington and Baltimore.

01:03:58.000 And they sent a message in as much time as it takes electricity to get there.

01:04:05.000 It was instantaneous.

01:04:06.000 And it was, of course, a bigger revolution than even the Internet, some would argue, because before that time, And throughout all of human history, the only way to get a message to somebody was by foot, boat,

01:04:21.000 or horse.

01:04:23.000 And it just had never been done before.

01:04:25.000 It was a complete revolution.

01:04:27.000 And it started because the guy was heartbroken over not being able to say goodbye to his wife before she died.

01:04:31.000 That's incredible.

01:04:32.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:04:32.000 That is fucking incredible. 0.99

01:04:34.000 That's why I love history. 0.97

01:04:37.000 Well, it's fascinating when you think that there was people a long time ago that if something was going on 10 miles away, there's no way of finding out.

01:04:46.000 No way!

01:04:46.000 I know.

01:04:47.000 Now, if there's a revolution going on in China right now in Hong Kong, we're watching it live in real time.

01:04:52.000 There's streaming websites, you know, there's criticism of the way China's handling it.

01:04:58.000 You get to read various different points of view.

01:05:01.000 And oppressive regimes aren't allowed to get away with murder.

01:05:04.000 They can, but they have to be very careful because they know the world's watching.

01:05:07.000 It makes the world less brutal, I would argue.

01:05:09.000 Oh, way more.

01:05:10.000 Way more accountable.

01:05:12.000 Think about what the world would have done if the Mongols were coming into the Middle East and just killing people wholesale in Russia the way they did. 1.00

01:05:18.000 Think about what the world would be doing. 1.00

01:05:20.000 We'd be like, we've got to stop these assholes on horseback right now. 1.00

01:05:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:05:24.000 You know?

01:05:24.000 But nobody was watching.

01:05:25.000 We didn't know.

01:05:26.000 That's where you've got to love something called America.

01:05:29.000 Okay?

01:05:30.000 Because we're just sending some drones over there. 0.97

01:05:32.000 Oh, you got a 160-pound bow and you like to drink horse blood mixed with mare's milk?

01:05:37.000 I'm in Nevada!

01:05:37.000 I'm in Nevada sipping coffee.

01:05:39.000 Watch this. 1.00

01:05:40.000 With a fucking Xbox, drinking Mountain Dew, and a fucking kid with a hemorrhoid is lighting you bitches up from the sky. 1.00

01:05:47.000 Big thumb muscles. 1.00

01:05:48.000 Could you imagine if you could do that?

01:05:50.000 I mean if time travel becomes reality where you can't mess up the timeline like say if all timelines are completely independent say if you could go back in time and you could have like have at it and do whatever the fuck you want it would have no bearing on the future if they find out the timelines are completely independent and that if you do go back in time it has literally no effect on the current future You go back to where you were,

01:06:14.000 and nothing's changed.

01:06:16.000 Even your actual actions never really took place.

01:06:18.000 They took place in an alternative timeline. 0.99

01:06:20.000 How much would you love to fucking suit up with some, like, Navy SEAL-type bulletproof armor, lock yourself down in a fucking giant tank, and go roll into the Mongol Empire? 0.98

01:06:33.000 One person, say, you know what? 0.99

01:06:34.000 I win.

01:06:35.000 I'm just taking over.

01:06:36.000 I think about that every single day.

01:06:39.000 And I'm not kidding. 0.99

01:06:40.000 I think about a helicopter gunship while these a-holes are on their horses coming in and try to kill and rape and be like, hey, guess what? 1.00

01:06:47.000 Check out this bird from the sky. 0.99

01:06:48.000 I look like a giant hornet.

01:06:50.000 Tell me if this stings.

01:06:52.000 Now, think about this.

01:06:54.000 What will people from a thousand years from now be thinking about us? 0.95

01:06:57.000 And how ridiculous would they think that we are? 1.00

01:07:00.000 Listen to what these assholes did. 1.00

01:07:01.000 They made explosions in little metal containers. 1.00

01:07:05.000 And these explosions propelled these very dense metal balls through the air at ridiculous speeds.

01:07:13.000 And they went through each other's bodies.

01:07:14.000 And that's how they did war. 0.67

01:07:15.000 They couldn't read minds.

01:07:17.000 They didn't understand its enlightenment.

01:07:19.000 And they were also humans.

01:07:19.000 They didn't have the enlightenment pills yet.

01:07:22.000 They didn't know how to have perfect genetics.

01:07:24.000 They didn't know how to engineer cancer away.

01:07:27.000 They were all fighting over resources.

01:07:28.000 They got cold. 1.00

01:07:29.000 They had electricity that was coming from, wait for it, nuclear power, these fucking idiots. 0.99

01:07:34.000 They had developed these nuclear sites where they had these generators that they could never shut off, and they kept them running, and when anything would go wrong, the power would go out, it would melt down, and they would have to clear everyone out of the area for $100,000. 0.99

01:07:49.000 Not only that, you had to be tied to a power source.

01:07:51.000 You literally had to have a long rope coming out of your head that was attached to some huge box just to hear yourself or other people.

01:08:00.000 Everything was plugged in.

01:08:02.000 Well, how about solar power in California?

01:08:04.000 Why isn't everything solar powered?

01:08:06.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:08:06.000 We don't have any fucking rain. 0.99

01:08:08.000 I mean, is the one resource that we have that's... 0.99

01:08:11.000 Bountiful and plentiful is sunlight.

01:08:13.000 We have a real problem.

01:08:15.000 It's rained once in a year here.

01:08:17.000 It's crazy.

01:08:18.000 We have a real problem.

01:08:19.000 But we have massive, massive amounts of solar electricity that no one's tapping into. 0.98

01:08:25.000 And we got a fucking ocean that we could just desalienate. 0.93

01:08:29.000 Why haven't they figured out how to do that? 0.99

01:08:31.000 They say, well, it takes an incredible amount of power. 0.99

01:08:33.000 What about fucking solar power? 0.95

01:08:34.000 How about use solar power, figure out an efficient way of using solar power to process the salt out of the water, and we have the most green, lush landscape ever. 0.99

01:08:45.000 California could look like Seattle.

01:08:46.000 I don't know if we have the technology yet.

01:08:48.000 I think it's really hard to do that.

01:08:48.000 Work on it!

01:08:49.000 Get to work on it. 0.99

01:08:51.000 A fucking guy named Morse figured out a way to send signals back when there was no internet. 0.99

01:08:55.000 Come on, inventors! 0.99

01:08:56.000 No, would they even have cars?

01:08:58.000 No.

01:08:58.000 No cars?

01:08:59.000 No.

01:08:59.000 No, do they have phones?

01:09:00.000 No!

01:09:01.000 They had trains.

01:09:02.000 I think they had the internal...

01:09:04.000 No, maybe not.

01:09:05.000 Trains worked on coal. 0.99

01:09:06.000 If you had a book and you spit on the pages, all the fucking information would run down and leak. 0.99

01:09:11.000 I mean, think about it. 0.99

01:09:13.000 I know. 1.00

01:09:13.000 They were fools. 1.00

01:09:14.000 Well, books had to be hand-woven. 1.00

01:09:17.000 But the printing press was another revolution.

01:09:19.000 I mean, Gutenberg, he was a watchmaker.

01:09:21.000 And the printing press was another...

01:09:23.000 When you talk about the seminal people in history, the people that changed everything, he's in there.

01:09:28.000 When was the printing press invented?

01:09:30.000 I used to know the answer to this.

01:09:33.000 It might have been actually in the beginning of the 1800s, or maybe even earlier than that.

01:09:39.000 Earlier.

01:09:40.000 I think it was.

01:09:41.000 The actual printing press was probably invented, I believe, in 1700. Why ask?

01:09:50.000 I'm just trying to guess because I can't remember.

01:09:52.000 By the time it actually took hold, it was a while.

01:09:55.000 It was about 100 years.

01:09:56.000 It's amazing to think that back before then, people had to write out all the letters.

01:10:01.000 Yeah, I think it was 1600, 1640?

01:10:03.000 If you get like an old book.

01:10:04.000 It was earlier than 1640?

01:10:06.000 Well, Martin Luther.

01:10:07.000 Wasn't that one of the reasons why Martin Luther was able to spread his propaganda so far?

01:10:11.000 Because he was printing things and putting them on the walls of churches.

01:10:15.000 Well, he did his, I think it was Bittenberg, he did his 100 proclamations and he nailed it to the church door.

01:10:23.000 Yeah.

01:10:24.000 And that was basically saying that the Catholic Church was a sham, or at least they didn't need all this money, and it was corrupt, and if you want the Word of God, all you need is the Bible.

01:10:33.000 You don't need all this elaborate, iconic...

01:10:35.000 Well, it was actually more than that.

01:10:37.000 He actually phonetically translated the Bible for the first time, for the common folk.

01:10:42.000 So regular people could read the Bible.

01:10:45.000 That wasn't actually Martin Luther's contribution.

01:10:48.000 Martin Luther's contribution was to say he was a Jesuit priest, I believe, who said that you can be just as holy as the Pope, as a common man, if you are religious and you follow the Bible.

01:11:01.000 You don't need this huge infrastructure and hierarchy of bishops and priests.

01:11:06.000 He did something with translating the Bible.

01:11:08.000 I know this for sure.

01:11:09.000 When was it?

01:11:10.000 What is it?

01:11:11.000 What year was it?

01:11:12.000 1450. Wow!

01:11:13.000 1450. That's incredible.

01:11:14.000 Yeah.

01:11:14.000 But it didn't really take hold.

01:11:16.000 The printing press wasn't used until 100, 200 years later.

01:11:20.000 I mean, on a wide scale.

01:11:23.000 The project, yeah, the Luther Bible, a German language Bible translation from the Hebrew and ancient Greek by Martin Luther.

01:11:30.000 Yeah, it was.

01:11:32.000 So the New Testament was first published in 1522, and the complete Bible containing the Old and New Testaments was 1534, and the project absorbed Luther's later years.

01:11:45.000 Thanks to then-recently invented printing press, the result was widely disseminated and contributed significantly to development of today's modern high German language.

01:11:55.000 And so what had happened was when Luther...

01:11:57.000 This is all from...

01:11:59.000 The reason why I know it is because of Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast on it.

01:12:05.000 I don't remember the exact episode.

01:12:07.000 I'll try to recall it.

01:12:09.000 But it's amazing, this episode on Martin Luther and how...

01:12:15.000 Luther had created this movement, and this movement had actually gone far and beyond his ideas and gotten completely, totally radical.

01:12:24.000 Which was what?

01:12:24.000 Which was essentially the proletariat can be just as holy as somebody with cloth and a crown.

01:12:31.000 I mean, in other words, it was kind of the democratization of Christianity, right?

01:12:35.000 I mean, all you needed was a Bible and to live the Word of God, and you could be...

01:12:40.000 Yeah, you didn't need a church in order to...

01:12:43.000 That was real heresy to say that you as a farmer, if you follow the word of God, can be even less corrupt and be in more favor with God than even the Pope.

01:12:52.000 That was pretty radical.

01:12:54.000 I think he had to leave Germany for it.

01:12:56.000 Well, I don't remember exactly specifically what the events were, but his take on it, Dan Carlin's take on it, I think, goddammit, I'm going to find it here.

01:13:05.000 But didn't his teaching spark the Hundred Years War?

01:13:08.000 I mean, the Catholics and the Protestants, those vicious wars. 0.99

01:13:11.000 Thor's Angels is the name of the podcast. 0.96

01:13:14.000 You've got to listen to it, because it is fucking absolutely, completely stunning. 0.98

01:13:20.000 He's a fucking amazing guy, man. 0.98

01:13:23.000 Dan Carlin. 0.99

01:13:23.000 His podcasts are amazing. 0.99

01:13:25.000 And his take on it is so enthralling.

01:13:32.000 He's so good at being theatrical and dragging you into and explaining it all.

01:13:37.000 But he explains all the personalities that were involved.

01:13:49.000 Yeah.

01:14:03.000 You go to the church, you hear those people.

01:14:06.000 Priests also would give you, you would do things for the priest, and they would grant you, I can't remember the word for it, but you'd basically get points in favor of going to heaven.

01:14:16.000 That's what it used to look like when it was handwritten.

01:14:18.000 Amazing.

01:14:19.000 How about what Steve Rinella was saying about all the buffalo?

01:14:23.000 Yeah, well that's Dan Flores.

01:14:26.000 Buffalo diplomacy and bison diplomacy.

01:14:29.000 He's that guy.

01:14:30.000 I'm going to try to get him on the podcast.

01:14:32.000 I'm getting his information from Rinella. 0.56

01:14:34.000 What he essentially is saying is that our idea is that the white man came and killed all the buffalo.

01:14:41.000 There were millions of buffalo.

01:14:43.000 And then also, there's a commonly held misconception that people gave smallpox to the Native Americans on purpose. 0.99

01:14:53.000 And that what really happened was smallpox, they didn't even know what the fuck smallpox was. 0.97

01:14:58.000 And the French had given it to the Native Americans accidentally because they had it. 0.99

01:15:03.000 It spread through the Native Americans and killed a huge amount of people.

01:15:09.000 They say 90% of the population.

01:15:10.000 90% of the people.

01:15:11.000 So, when that happened, the buffalo just...

01:15:15.000 We're good to go. 0.99

01:15:30.000 Hundreds of years later, after the Native American population had dwindled, like, substantially, 90% of them had died off because of smallpox, the buffalo were out of fucking control.

01:15:40.000 And he also talked about how the introduction of the horse changed the way they were hunting, because the horse even preceded a lot of European settlers because of theft.

01:15:50.000 Well, the Spanish brought the horse over, right? 0.99

01:15:52.000 Exactly.

01:15:52.000 They brought the horse over during their Cortez days, and that's why Cortez had no idea.

01:15:57.000 They thought...

01:15:57.000 That's what spread influenza through the Mississippi Delta and all those different diseases that Native Americans had never been exposed to.

01:16:03.000 Because when they came back, they saw these towns that were empty.

01:16:07.000 And it was like, where are all the people?

01:16:10.000 Well, they died off.

01:16:11.000 And what Dan Floor is apparently saying, I'm going to try to get him on soon, is that the Native Americans, just with the horse and the firearm, were on their way to eradicating the buffalo.

01:16:21.000 Or extirpating.

01:16:22.000 Meaning, you know, extinction and local extinction.

01:16:26.000 Because they stopped farming, right?

01:16:27.000 They would follow the buffalo and became nomadic.

01:16:30.000 Yes, exactly. 1.00

01:16:30.000 Because they were a fucking 2,000 pound animal that just stand still. 1.00

01:16:34.000 Yeah, I mean... 0.99

01:16:35.000 Yeah, and they had guns and they were on horses so they could ride as fast as the buffalo could run.

01:16:40.000 Buffalo's delicious.

01:16:41.000 Yeah, and it's like shooting a house.

01:16:42.000 So what had happened was when the Western people came and killed millions of buffaloes and stacked them on top of each other, and the reason why there were so many buffalo in the first place is they had gotten widely out of control, or wildly out of control,

01:16:58.000 because so many Native Americans had died.

01:17:00.000 Really, I mean, we're doing a really bad job of explaining this, but apparently this guy Dan Flores has some really interesting information and a deep, deep base of knowledge on this subject and all sorts of historical points of reference that he can point to that explains why these animals had died off and what was going on.

01:17:23.000 But it's amazing when you think that this country, like, you're talking about the very earliest European settlers, 1400s, 1500s.

01:17:33.000 That's nothing.

01:17:34.000 No, it's nothing.

01:17:35.000 It's a blink of an eye.

01:17:36.000 It's 500 years ago.

01:17:38.000 I also think it's very patronizing to suggest that the Native Americans weren't exactly like white people in a lot of ways in terms of just...

01:17:46.000 Of course they would hunt things to expert interpretation.

01:17:49.000 They didn't know any better.

01:17:51.000 Right.

01:17:51.000 I mean, these human beings are going to go...

01:17:53.000 In that kind of rugged terrain, you're going to follow buffalo if it's that easy. 0.96

01:17:57.000 And if you kill them, you'll go to the next herd. 0.51

01:17:59.000 Come on. 0.98

01:17:59.000 But I also do think that the way they were living, by taking everything from this animal, utilizing every piece of the animal, utilizing the bones, utilizing the hide... 0.98

01:18:08.000 They were better stewards of the earth, for sure.

01:18:10.000 Yes, without a doubt.

01:18:11.000 And they were more engaged in the whole relationship that they had to these animals that they were killing and eating.

01:18:17.000 Well, I think our legacy, if we're not careful...

01:18:21.000 I'm talking about our legacy in 2014. If we're not careful, our legacy may very well be that we destroyed this earth or made it a lot worse.

01:18:30.000 And that's really hard to stop with the onslaught of technology and all the growth of our population and how many resources we need and the byproducts and the wastes.

01:18:44.000 But that's a huge challenge, man.

01:18:47.000 And I don't know the answer to how you stop it, but...

01:18:49.000 Yeah, it's interesting, man.

01:18:51.000 It's really crazy.

01:18:53.000 Science is the answer, though.

01:18:53.000 Science is probably the way we're going to figure out.

01:18:57.000 Not probably.

01:18:58.000 I think it's the only way out.

01:18:59.000 Taking carbon out of the atmosphere, growing food with less water and less space, all that stuff.

01:19:04.000 Oh, somebody corrected me.

01:19:05.000 The Dan Carlin episode is The Prophets of Doom.

01:19:08.000 That's the one that's on, thanks to Tesp from the... 0.99

01:19:12.000 Shout out to Tesp from the Rogan board.

01:19:15.000 That's the Dan Carlin episode.

01:19:16.000 But yeah, I'm a really big optimist. 0.96

01:19:21.000 I mean, I'm always hoping that we're going to get our shit together. 0.97

01:19:23.000 Always. 0.99

01:19:23.000 But... 0.99

01:19:25.000 Whether or not science is the answer or whether or not Ebola fixes the problem or a supervolcano.

01:19:32.000 We have to start all over again like the Sumatra volcano.

01:19:35.000 I know, but can you imagine if we had to start over?

01:19:36.000 I was thinking about that.

01:19:37.000 I was like, no!

01:19:38.000 We're getting so close to doing some cool stuff, man.

01:19:41.000 Right, but what is cool stuff for who?

01:19:42.000 It's cool stuff for you?

01:19:43.000 You're not going to be here to see it.

01:19:44.000 Cool stuff for your kids?

01:19:45.000 I mean, our role is very strange.

01:19:47.000 Our role is very strange because we're a piece of a puzzle that likes to pretend that we're the thing.

01:19:52.000 We're not.

01:19:53.000 We're a grain of sand.

01:19:55.000 Not even.

01:19:56.000 Yes, but I do think that what I think about...

01:20:00.000 is that what gives us meaning is all of us no matter most of us at least unless you're a crazy person but all of us are always working Even Dawkins and people who are sort of nihilists, people who say, well, we're a grain of sand and none of this means anything.

01:20:18.000 It's all meaningless.

01:20:19.000 If that were the case, they are still writing books to tell us how meaningless it is.

01:20:24.000 Everybody is very busy working very hard at their own expression.

01:20:27.000 And I think it's because, and we were talking about this, some people want to score social brownie points.

01:20:32.000 But for the most part, human beings work very hard to try to at least influence, for the better, The people that we love, the people we're connected to, the people that we are...

01:20:43.000 Well, we're trying to make things better for ourselves, but the reality is...

01:20:46.000 And people that we love, though.

01:20:47.000 Our sun is going to burn out.

01:20:48.000 Our planet is going to no longer be able to support life.

01:20:51.000 Everything is temporary.

01:20:52.000 It's just the timeline is enormous.

01:20:55.000 It's like, does it have meaning?

01:20:57.000 Sure, it has meaning currently, but that's what we need to concern ourselves with.

01:21:01.000 What holds meaning to you and the people that you love?

01:21:04.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:21:34.000 Primitive machinery, which is our original biology, is already becoming obsolete, right?

01:21:40.000 Sort of.

01:21:41.000 I mean, at the very least, it's outdated and it's clunky.

01:21:44.000 Well, Ray Kurzweil said, well, look at our bodies the way we look at a cell phone from the 80s.

01:21:48.000 As you're able to, like, mesh your body with machines and you become more efficient in everything from holding your breath for an hour underwater or red blood cells that keep you warm or whatever it might be.

01:22:02.000 Technology, tissue regeneration, nanotechnology, robotics, and biocompatible machinery like that is going to change our very biology.

01:22:10.000 Which leads to a whole new set of problems.

01:22:12.000 At a certain point in time, will we even be a person anymore?

01:22:17.000 And will we even be what we consider a carbon-based life form anymore?

01:22:21.000 Right.

01:22:21.000 Exactly.

01:22:22.000 Because we're inventing synthetic biology, and let's take it a step further.

01:22:26.000 As you're able to download memory, if you're able to download what goes on in our brains...

01:22:35.000 I've seen people criticize him.

01:22:37.000 I've seen people criticize his ideas saying those things won't be possible, but I think what they're missing is that we can replicate it without even totally understanding its processes.

01:22:48.000 The thing is we don't understand all the complex processes of utilizing proteins and this and that and how many steps and phases it takes to create a human being.

01:23:00.000 They could recreate what it is to be a human being without all those processes if they have a different mechanism.

01:23:08.000 So instead of a biological mechanism of cells and proteins and vitamins and nutrients and neurotransmitters and all the different things that grow into being a person, if it's silicon-based, if it's some sort of computer-based system that emulates all of the processes of being a human being...

01:23:26.000 And does it better, maybe.

01:23:27.000 Yeah, very possible.

01:23:29.000 Yeah.

01:23:29.000 Very possible.

01:23:30.000 Yeah.

01:23:30.000 I mean, look at that dude, that guy that shot his wife in South Africa, the Blade Runner dude.

01:23:36.000 Pistorius.

01:23:37.000 Yeah.

01:23:37.000 Oscar Pistorius.

01:23:38.000 That motherfucker with those stupid blades was running way faster, probably, than he could have without them. 1.00

01:23:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:23:44.000 That's right. 1.00

01:23:45.000 Well, and the other thing is that we learn more about the brain.

01:23:48.000 Like, it really throws into question, like, you people talk about having out-of-body experiences.

01:23:52.000 Well, what they found is they can manipulate, they can touch parts of the brain.

01:24:00.000 Yeah.

01:24:16.000 Well, here's the other thing.

01:24:18.000 We know about dreams.

01:24:20.000 Dreams are a very real thing.

01:24:24.000 Everyone, I think everyone, most people dream.

01:24:28.000 So what is a dream?

01:24:29.000 A dream is an illusion.

01:24:30.000 It's not really happening.

01:24:32.000 You're imagining something really intricate and detailed. 0.98

01:24:35.000 I had some fucking crazy dreams when we were sleeping in tents in Alaska. 0.99

01:24:41.000 Really bizarre dreams. 0.99

01:24:43.000 When you're talking about near-death experiences, the people are unconscious when they're having these.

01:24:47.000 Like, oh, there's so much deep meaning to it.

01:24:50.000 Really?

01:24:51.000 Well, I was on a skateboard.

01:24:52.000 I was getting chased by Godzilla in a dream.

01:24:54.000 Is there deep meaning in that?

01:24:55.000 Yeah.

01:24:55.000 Because both of them are illusions.

01:24:57.000 You weren't really flying above your body, okay?

01:24:59.000 And I wasn't really getting chased by Godzilla.

01:25:01.000 They both probably seemed equally real.

01:25:04.000 Mm-hmm. 0.81

01:25:04.000 And the idea of a dream in and of itself is a very fucking strange thing. 0.81

01:25:11.000 You shut your brain off every night, you close your eyes, and your mind starts a process that we don't totally understand. 0.75

01:25:18.000 We know there's a bunch of things happening, like REM sleep, rapid eye movement.

01:25:23.000 We know now that there's neurotransmitters that are moving in and out of the brain and Fucking around with your consciousness while you're out, and we know what processes are shutting down and turning off, but we all totally understand what dreaming is.

01:25:38.000 We don't understand it.

01:25:40.000 We really don't understand why we even need it.

01:25:43.000 It's amazing.

01:25:43.000 It's incredible.

01:25:45.000 So when someone talks about having a near-death experience, like, yeah, maybe you're fucking dreaming. 0.95

01:25:49.000 Like, I don't know. 0.95

01:25:50.000 I don't know what happened.

01:25:51.000 You don't either.

01:25:51.000 I know.

01:25:52.000 It changed me so much.

01:25:54.000 I flew above my body.

01:25:55.000 But I think eventually we'll figure it out, that's for sure.

01:25:57.000 At least be able to replicate dreams or have, you know, Perhaps.

01:26:00.000 Maybe we'll transcend before we figure it out.

01:26:03.000 I mean, we might abandon the body before we even totally understand its processes.

01:26:06.000 It really throws into turmoil the people who have strict orthodox religious beliefs, too. 1.00

01:26:12.000 They're already fucked. 1.00

01:26:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:14.000 You know, I was watching this video before you got here with Richard Dawkins arguing with his Islamic people, and this guy was talking about how moral Islam is and how it's important and ethics and this and that, and Dawkins just kept hammering this dude.

01:26:26.000 He said, what is the price that you must pay if you abandon Islam?

01:26:31.000 And the guy didn't want to answer it, the guy didn't want to answer it, and then he went back to it.

01:26:35.000 What is it, apostrophe?

01:26:37.000 Apostate, apostate.

01:26:38.000 But what's the actual expression of leaving?

01:26:42.000 You don't say, I committed apostate.

01:26:44.000 If you leave, you're an apostate.

01:26:45.000 Apostrophe?

01:26:46.000 I don't know.

01:26:47.000 Whatever it is.

01:26:49.000 You're an apostate if you leave.

01:26:51.000 Right, but what is it like perjury?

01:26:55.000 I don't know.

01:26:56.000 If you perjure yourself, it's called perjury, whatever.

01:26:58.000 Apostrophe, I think it's called.

01:27:00.000 But anyway, the guy wouldn't answer it.

01:27:01.000 He didn't want to answer it.

01:27:02.000 He was trying to skirt around it.

01:27:03.000 And Dawkins kept hammering him.

01:27:05.000 Finally, he goes, it's the death penalty.

01:27:06.000 He goes, well, there you go. 1.00

01:27:08.000 You leave Islam and you have to be killed. 1.00

01:27:12.000 That's in your religion. 1.00

01:27:14.000 Do you understand that that's fucking crazy? 1.00

01:27:16.000 Like that's the death penalty. 1.00

01:27:18.000 And the guy was just like stammering.

01:27:20.000 He was just stuck there.

01:27:21.000 Because that is the reality. 0.92

01:27:22.000 Not only that, in Islamic countries, some insane number, like in the 90 percentile, believe that you should be stoned to death for adultery.

01:27:31.000 Well, but I have to, just having lived there for a long time, I do have to come to the defense of the fact that That those, just like with the book of Deuteronomy and Judaism, which says exactly the same thing, by the way, most Muslims... 1.00

01:27:45.000 It says if you leave Christianity, you get killed?

01:27:47.000 No, in the book of Deuteronomy, I mean, a lot of those laws come from the Old Testament.

01:27:51.000 Remember, the Koran was very heavily influenced by the Old Testament.

01:27:54.000 The Koran, in many ways, is a rebuttal to the New Testament, saying that Jesus Christ is not God.

01:27:58.000 But most of the Ten Commandments and things are held as...

01:28:06.000 But those things come from the old Jewish law.

01:28:09.000 Where does it ever say that if you leave Christianity, you're supposed to be killed?

01:28:13.000 It doesn't.

01:28:14.000 I'm just saying that Islam got that from Judaism.

01:28:17.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:28:18.000 But the point I was making is that most Muslims, I would... 0.94

01:28:24.000 Guarantee, I promise you, don't believe that adultery, that you should stone a woman to death.

01:28:29.000 Most Muslims aren't even that religious. 0.99

01:28:31.000 And there's this misconception, and also Islam is very, very, the religion, if you look at the difference between Indonesian Muslims, for example, and Wahhabi Muslims who are in Saudi Arabia, it's vastly different because of the way they interpret the Quran.

01:28:46.000 The Quran can be interpreted, it's the most easily and widely interpreted religion as well.

01:28:51.000 It's very, very open for interpretation.

01:28:54.000 So, and that's what Islamic scholars will always tell you.

01:28:58.000 And most Muslims don't hold that point of view.

01:29:02.000 Right, but isn't that like saying that most Christians believe in evolution?

01:29:07.000 I mean, it's like, what is the religion based on if you start deviating from it and adding in a bunch of your own thoughts and then just sort of ignoring the old stuff, like Old Testament stuff.

01:29:17.000 People do that with religion, all the stuff, though.

01:29:18.000 They do.

01:29:18.000 Yeah.

01:29:19.000 But does that matter? 0.84

01:29:21.000 Because a bunch of people still do that, I mean, isn't the heart of it still ridiculous?

01:29:26.000 I think that Dawkins, though, might be harping on an... 0.58

01:29:31.000 On one aspect of Islam, when you can also look at the other.

01:29:36.000 He was talking in broad terms, but he wanted to pick one very important point.

01:29:41.000 Like when people were talking about it being a religion of peace, he was saying, really?

01:29:44.000 Well, how come if you leave, you're supposed to be killed?

01:29:47.000 That's not peaceful.

01:29:50.000 And that's a very good point, a very good question, and an important question to ask.

01:29:55.000 I also think that there is also value in Islam to a lot of Muslims because it is a blueprint for how to live their lives and it works for them.

01:30:04.000 For example, be charitable to people.

01:30:07.000 Charity is a very big part of Islam.

01:30:10.000 You know, there are a lot of examples of that.

01:30:12.000 Modesty, charity, and things like that.

01:30:14.000 It's when people interpret these things literally, i.e.

01:30:18.000 fundamentally, or if they take it as symbology, as suggestions of how to live your life.

01:30:24.000 Just like you could be a Christian fundamentalist, and you're going to be a very different person than if you are a regular Christian who takes this symbolism.

01:30:31.000 Jamie, pull up, just Google not radical Islam, and then pull up a video.

01:30:37.000 Pull up videos from Not Radical Islam on Google.

01:30:40.000 And it's the very first video.

01:30:42.000 It's called, It's Not the Radical.

01:30:45.000 It's Islam.

01:30:46.000 I don't know what the word is.

01:30:48.000 S-H-A-Y-K-H? What's that word?

01:30:53.000 I don't know how you say it, but anyway, this guy is being interviewed, this guy is communicating with this group of people and they're all these other Islamics or other Muslims and he's talking about how people are confused about what radical Islam is and what's just actual Islam and what the law is and what you're supposed to do.

01:31:13.000 Watch this video.

01:31:18.000 How they always attack the Muslims or Islam in particular. 1.00

01:31:22.000 For some certain things, for example, about gays. 0.93

01:31:26.000 Put your headphones on.

01:31:26.000 They always attack us and the teachings towards this matter, for example.

01:31:31.000 While in Christianity, in Judaism, it's the same punishment that exists. 0.91

01:31:37.000 It's haram.

01:31:39.000 So while they're always, for example, focusing on Islam and not Judaism or Christianity, while, for example, also in Jerusalem, For those who've been to Jerusalem, in the bosses in Jerusalem, for example, women sit separate than men, 0.57

01:31:54.000 for example.

01:31:55.000 So why, like five minutes ago or early, we were asked about why Muslims have to be sitting separate, you know, men and women, but they never ask these questions to Jews or Christians, why specifically Muslims or Islam?

01:32:09.000 Didn't we answer this question yesterday?

01:32:13.000 And you said that you need to ask the media.

01:32:16.000 Yeah, yeah, it's true.

01:32:18.000 But he needs an answer.

01:32:20.000 He was not here.

01:32:22.000 But the other people were here.

01:32:24.000 The other people will suffer because of you.

01:32:29.000 The answer is very simple.

01:32:30.000 Islam is the truth.

01:32:32.000 And Christianity and Judaism are not the truth. 1.00

01:32:36.000 So that's a comment regarding this topic.

01:32:39.000 May I, Sheikh?

01:32:49.000 Can we have this camera focusing on all the audience here?

01:32:57.000 Because every now and then, every time we have a conference, every time we invite a speaker, they always come with the same accusations.

01:33:10.000 This speaker supports death penalty for homosexuals, this speaker supports death penalty for this crime or this crime or that he is homophobic, they subjugate women, etc, 0.92

01:33:25.000 etc, etc. 0.99

01:33:26.000 It's the same old stuff coming all the time.

01:33:30.000 And we always try to tell them, I always try to tell them that, look, it's not that speaker that we're inviting who has these extreme radical views, as you say.

01:33:43.000 These are general views that every Muslim actually has.

01:33:48.000 Every Muslim believes in these things.

01:33:50.000 Just because they're not telling you about it or just because they're not out there in the media doesn't mean they don't believe in them.

01:33:58.000 So I will ask you, Everyone in the room.

01:34:03.000 How many of you are normal Muslims? 1.00

01:34:06.000 You're not extremists.

01:34:07.000 You're not radical.

01:34:09.000 Just normal Sunni Muslims. 0.95

01:34:11.000 Please raise your hands.

01:34:14.000 Everybody, MashaAllah.

01:34:16.000 SubhanAllah.

01:34:17.000 Okay, take down your hands again.

01:34:20.000 How many of you agree that men and women should sit separate?

01:34:27.000 Please raise your hands.

01:34:29.000 All of them raised their hands.

01:34:30.000 Yeah, but...

01:34:31.000 Hold on.

01:34:32.000 Everyone agree.

01:34:34.000 Everyone agree.

01:34:35.000 Brothers and sisters.

01:34:36.000 SubhanAllah.

01:34:37.000 So it's not just these radical sheikhs then. 0.99

01:34:40.000 Allahu Akbar.

01:34:41.000 Next question.

01:34:42.000 How many of you agree that the punishments described in the Quran and the Sunnah Whether it is death, whether it is stoning for adultery, whatever it is, if it is from Allah and His Messenger,

01:34:58.000 that is the best punishment ever possible for humankind.

01:35:04.000 And that is what we should apply in the world.

01:35:07.000 Who agrees with that?

01:35:08.000 And they all raise their hand.

01:35:11.000 Allahu Akbar!

01:35:12.000 Are you all the radical extremists?

01:35:15.000 SubhanAllah! 0.98

01:35:17.000 So, all of you are saying that you are common Muslims, you all go to the different massages, no way.

01:35:24.000 Or is it, are you like a specific sect, like the Islam sect or anything like that?

01:35:30.000 Are you like that?

01:35:31.000 No.

01:35:33.000 Are you like that?

01:35:34.000 Please raise your hand if you like this extreme Islam sect or anything like that.

01:35:38.000 No one.

01:35:40.000 Allahu Akbar!

01:35:41.000 How many of you just go to this normal masajids in the normal Sunni mosque? 0.99

01:35:47.000 Please raise your hands.

01:35:48.000 All of them raise their hands.

01:35:50.000 Allahu Akbar!

01:35:53.000 God is great.

01:35:54.000 That's what he's saying.

01:35:55.000 What's the politicians gonna say now?

01:35:57.000 What is the media gonna say now?

01:35:58.000 That we're all extremists?

01:36:00.000 We're all radicals?

01:36:02.000 We need to deport all of us from this country? 0.98

01:36:05.000 Subhanallah! 0.65

01:36:07.000 Allahu Akbar!

01:36:08.000 Takbir!

01:36:13.000 May we have the next question please?

01:36:16.000 Isn't that fascinating?

01:36:18.000 Well, I don't like those kind of videos, to be honest with you, because I happen to think that if you took a cross-section of people from all over the Muslim world, you'd find very different points of view.

01:36:29.000 You'd find people who were way more liberal than that guy.

01:36:33.000 And I think it's because people are living their lives.

01:36:35.000 They don't even have time to go to mosque, just like you see with Christians, just like you see with Jews. 1.00

01:36:39.000 There's a great deal of debate.

01:36:41.000 I think the problem with the Muslim world today is most moderate Muslims, and that's most, are just Okay, but what does that mean, though? 1.00

01:36:49.000 What he's saying on stage, when he's asking, are you regular Muslims?

01:36:55.000 And if you are regular Muslims, raise your hand. 0.99

01:36:57.000 They raise their hand.

01:36:58.000 If you believe that the message that's in the Quran is the correct way to handle any situation, raise your hand. 1.00

01:37:05.000 If you believe that it's the way to handle adultery, raise your hand.

01:37:07.000 And they're all raising their hand.

01:37:09.000 Those are real people.

01:37:10.000 They're not real people.

01:37:11.000 I don't know who those people are.

01:37:12.000 I don't know where that is.

01:37:13.000 What does that mean?

01:37:14.000 I don't know who those people are.

01:37:15.000 I don't know where that is.

01:37:16.000 I don't know what the context is.

01:37:17.000 I mean, I don't think that's a good example of a room full of people.

01:37:20.000 How can you say they're not real people?

01:37:21.000 Because a room full of people like that in that clip is not necessarily a good representation of most Muslims.

01:37:28.000 It just isn't.

01:37:30.000 You know, I think there are problems with Islam like any other religion. 1.00

01:37:33.000 I think there are problems with certain populations of Muslims who have been isolated.

01:37:37.000 There might be a lot of ignorance in certain parts of the world, like the Middle East, where there isn't a lot of money or exposure to other ideas.

01:37:44.000 Yes, but I think that that is very anti-Islamic and very slanted in its own way. 0.99

01:37:51.000 Wait a minute, what is?

01:37:52.000 Just taking a, I'm not saying you are, I'm saying if you took that and you look at one video and decide that's how Muslims think in general, I think it's a mistake.

01:38:02.000 Well, first of all, this video is a pro-Islam site that put this video up.

01:38:07.000 This video was put up by Islam.net video.

01:38:11.000 Islam.net.

01:38:12.000 And what they're trying to tell you is that these ideas that people are calling radical Islam are not radical.

01:38:19.000 They are just Islamic ideas. 0.90

01:38:21.000 This is not like a propaganda video.

01:38:24.000 I've read the Quran.

01:38:25.000 They are.

01:38:25.000 But what I'm saying is this is not a propaganda video.

01:38:28.000 This is a pro-Islamic website that's putting these videos out.

01:38:31.000 I understand.

01:38:32.000 All I'm saying is that that to me, that video to me, leaves non-Muslims with the impression that all Muslims are extreme.

01:38:43.000 And what I'm saying is I don't believe that they are.

01:38:46.000 I mean, this country, a Christian country for all intents and purposes, puts a great number of people to death, and we have a lot of people on death row. 1.00

01:38:56.000 For crimes, especially for murder, right?

01:38:58.000 Wait a minute, but this state is a secular thing.

01:39:02.000 It's not done because of religion.

01:39:04.000 When you put people in jail or kill them because of murder, you're not doing it because it's in the Bible.

01:39:09.000 But our justice system is very much based on the notion that everybody's of the same moral worth, which is a Christian idea.

01:39:16.000 Yeah, but because it's a Christian idea, it's not based on the Christian faith, meaning you have to be a Christian to ascribe to it.

01:39:22.000 These ideas are very different.

01:39:24.000 No one's saying that God says that we should kill people for adultery, so we have to kill people for adultery in this country.

01:39:30.000 We're talking about crimes against other human beings.

01:39:33.000 That's the reason why people are killed in this country.

01:39:36.000 I mean, when you're killing someone in Texas for murder, you're not doing it because it's a crime against God.

01:39:41.000 What you're seeing in that video is a religion.

01:39:44.000 You're seeing a representation of a religion.

01:39:47.000 Are there more moderate representations of that religion?

01:39:50.000 Unquestionably, there certainly are.

01:39:51.000 But, at what point in time, what is the religion then?

01:39:55.000 I mean, if it becomes more moderate, if you don't ascribe to certain things that are in this ancient text that tell you there's very clear laws and rules that you're supposed to abide by.

01:40:04.000 That's the question.

01:40:06.000 That's a good question.

01:40:06.000 What is the religion then?

01:40:07.000 What is a religion at all? 0.91

01:40:08.000 If you just decide, well, we're going to morph it because it's 2014 and we think that the new evidence shows that homosexuals are actually born and it's not their fault.

01:40:16.000 It's just a part of genetics and it's part of life itself.

01:40:19.000 It's like having red hair or a big nose.

01:40:21.000 Some people are gay and some people are straight.

01:40:27.000 I think you could identify as a Christian, as a Muslim, as a Jew, and not hold all the tenets of that particular religion. 0.54

01:40:36.000 But why then?

01:40:37.000 Are you just a human that just accepts, you pull and choose and pluck?

01:40:43.000 Yeah, people do it all the time.

01:40:45.000 Right, but what is that then?

01:40:46.000 How are you a Christian?

01:40:47.000 You're not subscribing to the full ideology.

01:40:50.000 You're not a fundamentalist.

01:40:52.000 Yeah, but what are you then?

01:40:53.000 You're a believer who believes not in the letter of the law, but rather in the symbol, in the suggestion and the idea that we can reach to be as good as we can be, and that some laws that were written 1,400 years ago in this case, or whatever, I think that's how long it was,

01:41:08.000 are outdated because science, etc., is starting to show us that a lot of those laws do not hold relevance in our everyday lives, and in fact are probably unethical or immoral.

01:41:19.000 But isn't that completely fascinating when you look at all these different countries that do believe that if you leave Islam, you're a dead person. 0.98

01:41:27.000 You should be killed. 1.00

01:41:27.000 If you commit adultery, you're a dead person. 1.00

01:41:30.000 You should be killed. 1.00

01:41:31.000 I mean, there's a bunch of different things. 1.00

01:41:33.000 If you're homosexual, you should be killed with rocks. 1.00

01:41:35.000 Very important questions to ask and very important for the Muslim world to debate. 1.00

01:41:39.000 And they're going through that debate right now, just like Judaism and Christianity went through that debate.

01:41:44.000 I mean, how many people were burned at stake in the name of witchcraft in Salem and all over Europe, for that matter, because they were not, what?

01:41:53.000 Good Christians.

01:41:55.000 So I think this is a product of a religion.

01:41:59.000 I think, actually, that these debates and the questions you're asking, which are also being asked in the Muslim world, are crucial because it's how a religion...

01:42:09.000 You know, it's the process a religion must go through and contend with.

01:42:13.000 It's gotta.

01:42:14.000 Favor or oppose making Sharia the law of the land.

01:42:17.000 This is the percentage of Muslims who favor making Islamic law the official law in their country.

01:42:23.000 Ready for this?

01:42:24.000 Afghanistan, 99%.

01:42:26.000 Pakistan, 84%. 0.69

01:42:28.000 Bangladesh, 82%.

01:42:30.000 Iraq, 91%.

01:42:34.000 Palestine, 89%.

01:42:34.000 Morocco, 83%.

01:42:36.000 I mean, these are crazy numbers.

01:42:38.000 Niger in sub-Saharan Africa, 86%. 0.98

01:42:41.000 A lot of those countries, I would imagine, are also very poor, and I don't know how they're polling, but I think a lot of those countries, when you've got nothing, you turn to religion.

01:42:51.000 Absolutely.

01:42:51.000 And the way you solve that problem is with commerce.

01:42:54.000 Yeah, right?

01:42:55.000 It is a scary thought, though, that we're in this part of the world, there's a giant chunk of human beings that have these ideals.

01:43:03.000 I mean, these are ideas that are incredibly common in giant chunks of the world, millions of people.

01:43:11.000 And when you're talking about what a religion is, and there's so many moderates, well, what is this religion, then? 0.99

01:43:17.000 I mean, if there are moderates who don't believe that you should be stoned to death, who don't believe that you should be killed if you leave, who don't believe that you should be killed It should be killed with rocks if you're an adulterer. 0.98

01:43:25.000 What is that religion then? 0.98

01:43:27.000 At what point in time does it sort of dwindle off?

01:43:30.000 Does it go away?

01:43:31.000 Does it get replaced?

01:43:32.000 Well, Iraq is a good example. 1.00

01:43:33.000 That statistic is very surprising to me, and I'm not sure I believe it, because Iraq was, remember, it was basically under Saddam Hussein.

01:43:39.000 You weren't really allowed to even bring a Koran to school or to a public place.

01:43:43.000 The Shi'a are a little bit more... 1.00

01:43:46.000 Religious in some ways than the Sunni, although that's a big... 1.00

01:43:51.000 Actually, with ISIS, they believe in Wahhab and Wahhabism and stuff, but...

01:43:59.000 I think that, you know, Iraq, from what I understand, was essentially, they were Ba'athists, which was, the idea was that you were secular, that all Arabs should band together and there should be sort of this belt of Arab unity, which was what Nasser was trying to do in Egypt,

01:44:17.000 etc., etc., unify the Arabs under one sort of, but Saddam Hussein was very sort of, until later on, was very anti- Islam, in a lot of ways.

01:44:27.000 Yeah, well, that was a secular nation.

01:44:29.000 It was a secular nation before we invaded it, and now it's a civil war between two varying sects of Islam.

01:44:35.000 It's just, to me, I think that ideologies are very dangerous, and rigid ideologies that are thousands of years old are the most dangerous.

01:44:44.000 100%.

01:44:44.000 Speaking of Seventh Heaven.

01:44:48.000 There's a show that Brian used to be on.

01:44:51.000 A religious show, right? 0.89

01:44:53.000 I mean...

01:44:54.000 I have to pee because I want to talk about this.

01:44:56.000 Yeah, please.

01:44:56.000 This is very important.

01:44:57.000 Go ahead.

01:44:57.000 Go do your little squirt and we'll talk about this.

01:45:00.000 Because this is fucking really spooky stuff. 0.99

01:45:03.000 There was a show called Seventh Heaven. 0.99

01:45:06.000 And Brian was on it.

01:45:08.000 I don't remember the exact nature of the show, but it had something to do with religion.

01:45:17.000 So anyway, this guy, whose name is Stephen Collins, he played a pastor on this show, Seventh Heaven.

01:45:24.000 He confessed to his estranged wife that he was a child molester.

01:45:29.000 And it's all on tape, apparently.

01:45:32.000 She recorded...

01:45:34.000 They were having meetings with a counselor.

01:45:36.000 And she recorded him talking to this therapist...

01:45:41.000 And she was asking him all these questions about these incidents and he was very specific about the answers and she taped the therapy session.

01:45:53.000 And apparently it's legal to secretly record a conversation because In California, you're allowed to secretly record conversations to gather evidence that the other person committed a violent felony.

01:46:07.000 And molesting a child under the age of 14 is considered a violent felony.

01:46:13.000 This is amazing stuff.

01:46:17.000 He confessed to molesting an 11-year-old girl, a relative of his first wife. 0.99

01:46:25.000 That's so sick, man. 0.58

01:46:27.000 I mean, he was talking in great detail about these things.

01:46:33.000 He did it a few times to this one girl when she was 11, 12, or 13. And this guy, I mean, he was playing a pastor.

01:46:47.000 It's really sick stuff.

01:46:50.000 Well, what's crazy is that I have on my acting reel, there's a scene with him and I doing this scene.

01:46:57.000 It's one of the best scenes I ever did.

01:46:58.000 And it's really weird because I knew him really well.

01:47:01.000 I know him very well.

01:47:03.000 And...

01:47:05.000 Usually when you read about this, you go, well, that guy should be put in jail right away and all that stuff.

01:47:10.000 And it's an interesting thing because I've been thinking about it.

01:47:13.000 I feel like, and I want to be careful how I say this because I know him well, I feel like this is a guy who's a good guy with a sickness, like a compulsion and a sickness.

01:47:26.000 So when you say good guy, I think that...

01:47:30.000 I don't know, man.

01:47:32.000 I find myself shaking my head and scratching my head, but I know Stephen well, and I think it's possible.

01:47:39.000 Is it possible that you mean good to everybody, your fellow man, yet you have a compulsion and a sickness that you don't know what to do about?

01:47:50.000 And this article that I was reading to you about when we were on the plane and there was an article in the New York Times written about pedophilia and how a lot of pedophiles have these urges.

01:47:59.000 They don't act on them.

01:48:00.000 They live in fear.

01:48:02.000 They have no control sometimes.

01:48:04.000 And this woman was saying, if those people, because all of us want to punish somebody like that, right?

01:48:09.000 The minute we see that, I have a daughter, you have a daughter.

01:48:10.000 It's like, I don't want that guy on the street.

01:48:12.000 I don't want that guy near kids.

01:48:13.000 We understand that.

01:48:14.000 And we all go, we've got to get that guy in jail.

01:48:16.000 But there's a bigger question to say, and that is this. 0.89

01:48:19.000 If you have these feelings, you're a pedophile, and you have these feelings.

01:48:23.000 You just have these urges.

01:48:26.000 Shouldn't there be somewhere for these people to go where they can say, I'm having these feelings, I need help because I feel like I'm going to touch a child?

01:48:35.000 That seems to be creating a place for those people to go and somehow seek help I feel is more important than if they don't have anywhere to go for help and they know if they go anywhere,

01:48:50.000 they're going to lose their job, they're going to lose their life and everything else.

01:48:53.000 They're not going to go anywhere and they're going to touch a kid.

01:48:55.000 So the end result here is we've got to figure out a way so less kids get molested, right?

01:48:59.000 Right.

01:49:01.000 It raises a very difficult debate and question, which is, if this is indeed a sickness, and there's a lot of evidence that maybe it is even neurological, like there's an overwhelming number of pedophiles that are left-handed, an overwhelming number of pedophiles that have trouble with spatial relationships.

01:49:15.000 Yeah, this was in the New York Times article that you were reading on the plane yesterday, which is so fascinating, this came out today.

01:49:21.000 Yeah.

01:49:41.000 Yeah, and he went...

01:49:42.000 I guess he admitted it to his wife and then he went to counseling to get help.

01:49:45.000 Well, I talked about it while you went in the bathroom.

01:49:47.000 And it was all recorded by his wife and the recording is legal because he was doing a violent crime.

01:49:53.000 It's awful, man.

01:49:54.000 It's really awful.

01:49:55.000 Man, I don't know.

01:49:56.000 I'm just...

01:49:57.000 I'm shaking my head.

01:49:58.000 I don't know.

01:49:59.000 But I do think that it's a very important debate to have.

01:50:03.000 If it's considered...

01:50:04.000 If it's a mental...

01:50:05.000 A form of...

01:50:10.000 A mental illness.

01:50:12.000 Should they have somewhere to go to say, hey, I have these urges, I don't want to touch a kid, please help me.

01:50:18.000 Should there be a safe haven for pedophiles to get help so that they don't touch children, or at least it lowers the chances that they will touch children?

01:50:26.000 That's the difficult question to ask. 0.98

01:50:27.000 Yeah, it's some scary shit, you know, to think that you could be a person that is, in all other ways, a normal person, but like a crackhead around crack that's compelled. 0.98

01:50:39.000 Like, you have an alcoholic and you set a glass of whiskey in front of them and you pour a glass of whiskey. 0.98

01:50:44.000 I mean, they're drawn to that whiskey.

01:50:46.000 It's like a sickness.

01:50:48.000 Exactly.

01:50:48.000 But that whiskey's not hurting anybody other than themselves.

01:50:51.000 When you see someone who's a pedophile and they're drawn to children, we tend to lose all of our sympathy and all of our understanding.

01:51:00.000 And it's because we want to protect our people.

01:51:03.000 We want to protect our family.

01:51:05.000 Children.

01:51:06.000 But could you imagine, I mean, I'm not being sympathetic towards child molesters.

01:51:10.000 I mean, believe me, I am the least sympathetic. 1.00

01:51:12.000 I have a very primal urge to break his fucking head open with a rock. 1.00

01:51:17.000 Right. 1.00

01:51:18.000 But imagine being this poor fuck. 1.00

01:51:20.000 I mean, what is it about him that makes him want to go to this 11-year-old girl and put her hand on his dick? 1.00

01:51:25.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:51:28.000 I was on that show for two years.

01:51:30.000 I worked with him all the time.

01:51:30.000 What was the premise of the show?

01:51:32.000 It was about an all-American family.

01:51:35.000 Basically, the premise was, this is the perfect family.

01:51:38.000 And they're an example for everybody.

01:51:39.000 He was the minister and the father, and he had a wife and children.

01:51:46.000 I remember my first scene I played this alcoholic who comes back in this kid Peter's life and he counsels me.

01:51:53.000 I'm a real a-hole and he counsels me.

01:51:57.000 I really got to know him because we had so many scenes together and spent a lot of time.

01:52:00.000 I did a reading for him.

01:52:01.000 I've talked to him on the phone about SAG and all kinds of stuff. 1.00

01:52:04.000 It's just fucking... 0.99

01:52:06.000 I don't know, man. 0.99

01:52:07.000 So this is confirmed. 1.00

01:52:09.000 Fuck, I never would have thought that, dude. 1.00

01:52:11.000 Like, you know what I mean? 1.00

01:52:12.000 That's the other thing.

01:52:12.000 Like, some people you go, there's no way.

01:52:14.000 Well, of course, that's a good person.

01:52:18.000 I'd leave my kid with that.

01:52:19.000 You know, anyway, you just don't know.

01:52:21.000 You don't know, man.

01:52:22.000 You don't know what goes on in the inner recesses of someone's brain.

01:52:25.000 But I do think this is a case.

01:52:27.000 If there's ever been one, I don't know anything.

01:52:29.000 I'm not an expert, but...

01:52:32.000 Of a good person with a sickness.

01:52:35.000 You know?

01:52:35.000 Of a guy...

01:52:36.000 I don't know, man.

01:52:38.000 I don't know.

01:52:38.000 I'm just...

01:52:39.000 I don't even know what to say about it.

01:52:41.000 It's dark. 1.00

01:52:42.000 It's dark shit. 1.00

01:52:43.000 Dark, scary, awful stuff. 1.00

01:52:45.000 And then I started thinking about other things that are really hard to even talk about, like...

01:52:49.000 Like, there's molestation of a child.

01:52:53.000 We already know what it does to most people, the revulsion and what you want to do.

01:52:58.000 And then there are different levels of molestation that nobody really talks about.

01:53:01.000 Touching and then actual sex.

01:53:03.000 Right. 0.93

01:53:03.000 Right? 0.93

01:53:04.000 And one, I would imagine, and I have to believe, is way more traumatic than the other.

01:53:09.000 Yeah.

01:53:11.000 I don't know how the law sees it, but...

01:53:14.000 You know, the guy's life is done. 0.98

01:53:15.000 I think sex is sex. 0.97

01:53:18.000 I mean, I think the law sees it like if you're involving genitals and touching. 0.72

01:53:22.000 I mean, it's one thing.

01:53:23.000 There's sexual misconduct, though, and then there's assault, right?

01:53:26.000 So one is penetration, I think.

01:53:28.000 Well, they're calling this violent sex, and that's the reason why she was allowed, or he rather, the woman rather, his wife. 0.66

01:53:35.000 I was right the first time.

01:53:36.000 She was allowed to record him in these counseling sessions.

01:53:39.000 It's because it's violent sex. 0.97

01:53:42.000 But what is violence?

01:53:44.000 It's violent crime, not violent sex, but it falls under the umbrella of violent crime.

01:53:48.000 But what is violence?

01:53:51.000 I thought violence is like trauma.

01:53:54.000 I thought violence is like aggression. 1.00

01:53:55.000 If someone takes your hand and gently puts it on their dick, it's awful, right? 1.00

01:54:01.000 Obviously evil. 1.00

01:54:03.000 But is that violent? 1.00

01:54:05.000 Because if he's dating a woman and he takes her hand and puts it on his dick, that's not violent, right? 1.00

01:54:12.000 Or is it... 1.00

01:54:14.000 Thought to be violent if she didn't want him to do that.

01:54:18.000 I mean, if she resists?

01:54:20.000 Let's say he's with a woman. 1.00

01:54:22.000 They go back to his place, they're having a glass of wine, they're just talking, and he takes her hand and he puts it on his dick. 1.00

01:54:28.000 And she resists And then he lets go. 1.00

01:54:32.000 Is that violent? 1.00

01:54:33.000 Or what if he takes her hand and he puts it on his dick and she struggles the whole way? 1.00

01:54:38.000 That's violent. 1.00

01:54:39.000 But if she doesn't resist at all and she just goes...

01:54:42.000 He was being inappropriate or assuming...

01:54:44.000 Yeah, what's violent?

01:54:46.000 I mean, the word violent's a weird word.

01:54:48.000 I mean, I guess we're kind of...

01:54:49.000 Having a conversation about semantics?

01:54:51.000 No, you're not.

01:54:52.000 No?

01:54:52.000 No.

01:54:53.000 But why violence? 0.99

01:54:54.000 Because, first of all, I think there is a difference between anal rape and vaginal rape and being touched. 0.93

01:55:01.000 When I was a kid in camp, I was 11, I was, I guess, technically molested by my camp counselor, who was a man in his 40s, and he was touching me and fondling me. 0.90

01:55:11.000 I woke up and he had his hand in my pants, and he was playing with my piece.

01:55:15.000 You gack.

01:55:15.000 My gack.

01:55:16.000 And I remember going, I remember being 11 going, this is weird, man. 0.91

01:55:20.000 He's got a beard and he smells weird and he's touching my wiener. 0.99

01:55:23.000 I don't think this makes sense. 0.61

01:55:24.000 So then I tell my friend John and Donnie, I go, hey, did he touch you down there? 0.97

01:55:29.000 And my friend Donnie goes, yeah, he sucked me down there. 0.98

01:55:32.000 Ugh! 0.98

01:55:32.000 Yeah, and then my buddy John goes, he touched me too! 0.98

01:55:36.000 So I go, I'm going to tell my mom.

01:55:38.000 And I marched, my mother was coming for parent weekend.

01:55:41.000 I was away at camp. 1.00

01:55:42.000 My mother came and I went right up to her and I go, hey, that guy touched my dick, he sucked Donnie's dick, and he touched John's dick. 1.00

01:55:50.000 And my mother went right to the camp. 1.00

01:55:51.000 And the guy back then, this was probably, I don't know, what was it, 1978 or whatever?

01:55:56.000 He got fired and just sent on his way.

01:55:58.000 There was no criminal thing.

01:55:58.000 Yeah, that was it.

01:55:59.000 Sent on his way.

01:56:00.000 And when they told his wife, he was married when they told his wife, his wife laughed and said, oh God, he's up to that again.

01:56:08.000 Yes, and my mother told me that.

01:56:09.000 Oh my God.

01:56:11.000 Yeah.

01:56:12.000 His wife laughed?

01:56:13.000 Yes.

01:56:14.000 And said he's up to that again.

01:56:16.000 Yes.

01:56:17.000 She was the arts and crafts counselor. 0.67

01:56:18.000 She had short hair.

01:56:19.000 Whoa.

01:56:20.000 Anyway.

01:56:20.000 But isn't it strange how much our attitudes about those types of things have changed really, really radically?

01:56:28.000 Well, I think because people are more open to talk about it and talk about the damage it did when they were kids.

01:56:33.000 And I think...

01:56:34.000 The point I'm raising is that it all depends on the circumstances, the level of molestation, and what kind...

01:56:41.000 I don't think that damaged me, but I can't speak for this girl.

01:56:45.000 Look at me.

01:56:45.000 You're a mess.

01:56:46.000 Who am I talking about? 1.00

01:56:47.000 You're a mess. 0.98

01:56:47.000 I'm a stand-up comedy. 0.98

01:56:49.000 I'm a stand-up comic. 1.00

01:56:50.000 A beard and a hand on your dick. 1.00

01:56:52.000 That's it. 1.00

01:56:54.000 But you do have to have that conversation about levels of degree because if you don't, then it's not fair to people who are really raped.

01:57:01.000 And, you know, I mean, who are vaginally and anally and all that other stuff.

01:57:05.000 There's a difference.

01:57:06.000 Well, that's why this whole yes means yes law, which was recently passed in California, is kind of offensive to people that have actually been raped.

01:57:15.000 If you don't know this law, the idea being that a lack of resistance does not equal consent.

01:57:21.000 And you must get consent.

01:57:24.000 Thanks for taking all the romance out of sex, by the way. 1.00

01:57:27.000 Fucking a-holes. 1.00

01:57:27.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:57:29.000 But I guess...

01:57:31.000 I kind of see why they're doing it.

01:57:34.000 I kind of see that they don't want someone to feel like they were overwhelmed by someone and they didn't know what to do and they couldn't say anything.

01:57:40.000 And so they think that by forcing people to say, yes, I want to have sex with you, that this would...

01:57:46.000 But there's also feminists want to be able to withdraw consent after the fact if they feel like they were tricked. 1.00

01:57:51.000 So they want to be able to cry rape if you manipulated and lied to them. 0.99

01:57:55.000 Like I said, I love you, make love to me, and they have sex. 1.00

01:57:57.000 Ah! 1.00

01:57:58.000 I don't love you, you fucking dummy. 1.00

01:57:59.000 Are you fucking kidding me? 1.00

01:58:00.000 No, I'm not. 0.99

01:58:00.000 No, that's a real tenant of some forms of radical feminism. 0.99

01:58:04.000 They want to be able to withdraw consent after the fact. 0.95

01:58:07.000 Well, those lunatics can say what they want, but this is why I think that's lunacy and why I think it's so insulting. 0.99

01:58:12.000 If you're gang raped, you're held down by a stranger. 0.99

01:58:15.000 There's an app now.

01:58:15.000 There's a couple apps for the iPhone.

01:58:18.000 There's one called Good to Go.

01:58:19.000 What is this one?

01:58:20.000 Is that Good to Go?

01:58:21.000 Yeah.

01:58:22.000 I don't even know.

01:58:23.000 Does it work on fingerprints or something like that?

01:58:25.000 What does it work on?

01:58:26.000 Yeah, you use your fingerprints.

01:58:27.000 Yeah, some of them work on fingerprints, and you have an app, and I have an app, and you click yes, and I click yes, and what are we doing? 0.98

01:58:35.000 Well, that's fucking lunacy, in my opinion, and I think it's a real insult to people who've been held down and raped by strangers or somebody they know in a violent manner. 0.96

01:58:48.000 I do think that there are times when somebody can be... 1.00

01:58:52.000 You know, a woman is so overwhelmed she doesn't know what to say and she gets raped.

01:58:56.000 I'm not a woman. 1.00

01:58:56.000 I don't know what the fuck goes on, okay? 1.00

01:58:58.000 And it's 100% I understand that. 0.99

01:59:00.000 There's date rape and all that stuff. 0.73

01:59:01.000 Well, there's also times where you really wish you said no and you don't like when it's happening and you don't know what to do and you just sit there and a guy has sex with you. 0.95

01:59:09.000 Yes. 0.53

01:59:09.000 But I don't know what that is. 0.53

01:59:11.000 Is that sexual assault?

01:59:13.000 How is the man supposed to know if you don't say anything?

01:59:15.000 There's that.

01:59:16.000 And if you do say something and the man continues, well, that's rape, right? 0.97

01:59:20.000 If you say, please stop, don't take my pants off, don't have sex with me, and the guy does it anyway, we'll both agree that's rape. 0.98

01:59:28.000 But then there's a problem where they're trying to say that if you're consuming alcohol.

01:59:32.000 I had Thaddeus Russell on the podcast, okay?

01:59:34.000 He's a professor at Occidental College or University?

01:59:38.000 We never figured it out.

01:59:39.000 It's a college.

01:59:40.000 Okay.

01:59:40.000 He was a professor at this college where These two kids, they were both freshmen.

01:59:45.000 They were both young.

01:59:46.000 They got drunk. 0.73

01:59:47.000 They had sex. 0.90

01:59:48.000 And the girl decided that it was rape because she was drunk when they had sex. 1.00

01:59:53.000 Meanwhile, on her text messages, she's sending a text message to her friend.

01:59:58.000 She sent a text message to him.

02:00:00.000 He's saying, come over here.

02:00:01.000 She says, do you have a condom?

02:00:02.000 He says, yes. 0.99

02:00:03.000 She texts her friend, I'm about to go have sex. 0.99

02:00:06.000 She went over to his house, she had sex with him, and then afterwards the college decided that this was rape because she was intoxicated. 0.99

02:00:14.000 But he was intoxicated too.

02:00:15.000 They're both intoxicated, they're communicating back and forth with each other, but somehow or another he's responsible for his actions, he was expelled from college, she wasn't.

02:00:24.000 It sounds like people who hate men.

02:00:26.000 It's feminism. 1.00

02:00:27.000 Yeah.

02:00:27.000 That's a big part of what some feminism is.

02:00:31.000 Not all feminism. 0.98

02:00:32.000 A lot of feminism is just striving for equality. 1.00

02:00:34.000 Yeah, I'm a feminist in that sense. 0.99

02:00:36.000 Yes, in that sense.

02:00:37.000 But the real problem is, one of the women at Occidental College that Thaddeus Russell referenced, who counseled this girl, said that he fits the profile, ready for this?

02:00:48.000 For being a rapist, because he came from a good family, because he's a valedictorian, and because he's on a sports team.

02:00:54.000 Wow. 0.99

02:00:55.000 Wow.

02:00:56.000 That's terrifying. 0.99

02:00:57.000 Be an underachiever, I guess, and then you won't be a rapist.

02:00:59.000 But how terrifying is that? 0.65

02:01:00.000 That he's privileged, because he comes from a good family, that he's on a sports team, so he embraces the jock culture of sexual assault.

02:01:07.000 Which jocks don't, but whatever.

02:01:09.000 Well, whatever. 0.99

02:01:09.000 And that he's a valedictorian, so because he's successful, he's got this drive to succeed, which could lead him to being a rapist. 0.99

02:01:16.000 Jesus Christ. 0.89

02:01:17.000 What? 1.00

02:01:18.000 The fuck? 1.00

02:01:19.000 And he got expelled? 1.00

02:01:19.000 He got expelled. 1.00

02:01:20.000 Well, he's suing and there's a big lawsuit.

02:01:22.000 But look, his life has changed.

02:01:24.000 Her life has changed.

02:01:25.000 Both their lives have changed.

02:01:26.000 And it's what happened. 1.00

02:01:27.000 They got drunk and they fucked, man. 0.99

02:01:28.000 And Thaddeus Russell had a really good point that I've always said is that one of the problems with... 0.99

02:01:33.000 Women and Sex is that we have this idea still in our heads, a lot of people do, that sex is a bad thing. 1.00

02:01:41.000 And that a man having sex with a girl, he's done something to her, taking something from her. 1.00

02:01:46.000 And a lot of it comes from a bunch of fucking idiots that think that a woman having sex with a man is a bad thing. 1.00

02:01:51.000 So she gets shamed for it. 1.00

02:01:53.000 So she feels bad for being shamed for having sex.

02:01:55.000 And so she equates that with her having been, like a crime's been committed on her.

02:02:01.000 Because people will make you feel bad. 1.00

02:02:03.000 Because you, oh, that guy fucked you. 1.00

02:02:05.000 Oh, you loser. 1.00

02:02:06.000 Like, no, you had sex. 1.00

02:02:08.000 You're normal. 0.62

02:02:08.000 You're alive. 0.62

02:02:09.000 You're a person.

02:02:10.000 You have hormones.

02:02:11.000 It feels good.

02:02:12.000 You did it because you wanted to do it.

02:02:13.000 Men and women do it. 0.95

02:02:15.000 Our Puritan values and our ridiculous notions, completely unequal. 1.00

02:02:20.000 That a woman can have sexual experiences with a guy, and more than one man, and she's a fucking slut. 1.00

02:02:25.000 But if a guy does it, he's a stud. 1.00

02:02:28.000 It's... 1.00

02:02:29.000 It's stupid, and it's all based on Puritan values, and a lot of it's based on the time before birth control. 1.00

02:02:35.000 And disease, when you didn't have antibiotics, you had to be very careful who you had sex with. 1.00

02:02:39.000 But birth control, a big one.

02:02:41.000 Syphilis is no joke. 0.99

02:02:42.000 A woman having these responsibilities that she has to worry about becoming impregnated, you know, where a guy can just fucking shoot loads all fucking willy-nilly till the cows come home and not worry about a goddamn thing happening to his body. 1.00

02:02:54.000 He's celebrating. 0.99

02:02:55.000 A woman has to be concerned every time she has intercourse that she might have to raise a child, drop out of school, or have an abortion. 1.00

02:03:02.000 Those are the real cold, hard facts.

02:03:04.000 And so this ground is very uneven.

02:03:09.000 But now you add in birth control, which is like a lot of people believe one of the radical changes in society, in this culture, was in the 1950s when they invented, or 60s when they invented, when did they invent birth control?

02:03:22.000 50s or 60s?

02:03:22.000 One of those.

02:03:23.000 I believe it was the 60s.

02:03:24.000 But a massive change, massive change in the way human beings interacted, males and females.

02:03:29.000 Because all of a sudden, the women's liberation movement happened.

02:03:32.000 Women were allowed to have sex and not worry about constantly having to worry about being impregnated and having babies with these dudes. 1.00

02:03:40.000 Well, they just wanted to fuck. 1.00

02:03:41.000 They were just young people wanting to live their life and wanted to do what their hormones were telling them to do. 1.00

02:03:46.000 To enjoy it.

02:03:48.000 It's one of the great... 0.98

02:03:49.000 Fun things in life is a man and a woman having sex. 1.00

02:03:52.000 And this idea that two people having sex if they're drunk is rape, the problem with it is it's only rape for the girl. 1.00

02:04:00.000 It's not rape for the guy.

02:04:02.000 No one is ever going to argue that if a guy and a girl get together and they have a couple of drinks and the girl gets on top of the guy and has sex with them that the guy got raped.

02:04:10.000 No one is ever going to argue that.

02:04:12.000 You can't take it to court.

02:04:13.000 You'll be laughed out of court.

02:04:14.000 So that's really unfair and really uneven.

02:04:17.000 And it's a response to the really unfair and really uneven views that we have about men and women and their sexuality.

02:04:25.000 So you think right now we're seeing a pendulum.

02:04:27.000 We're seeing the high end of the pendulum.

02:04:28.000 And it's going to come back and even.

02:04:30.000 Yeah.

02:04:30.000 Well, we're seeing a reaction.

02:04:32.000 I mean, we're seeing a reaction to the sex that's been marginalized, that females have been marginalized, that they've been oppressed. 1.00

02:04:38.000 And look, rape is fucking real as shit, man. 1.00

02:04:40.000 Like, we're in Alaska, and one of the things that we talked about when we were in Alaska with people that live there is how many people get raped up there. 1.00

02:04:47.000 And that these women who live in Alaska, you're dealing with high rates of alcoholism, you're dealing with isolated populations, and you're dealing with a lot of rape.

02:04:56.000 Well, because there are few women, very few women to men in a lot of those towns. 1.00

02:04:59.000 Something crazy, like seven to one, seven men to one women? 0.95

02:05:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:05:03.000 So, girls, if you're looking for dick, Alaska. 1.00

02:05:05.000 Alaska. 0.99

02:05:06.000 Woo-woo! 1.00

02:05:07.000 A lot of rugged men.

02:05:08.000 Did you ever see those posters, like the men of, like calendars they used to sell to gals?

02:05:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:05:12.000 The men of Alaska, and dudes with fucking cowboy hats and giant dongs, sitting there with a fly fishing pole. 0.99

02:05:18.000 Yeah! 1.00

02:05:19.000 I like to fish and fuck. 1.00

02:05:21.000 Well, yeah, that's the funny thing about pornography when it comes to women. 1.00

02:05:23.000 Like, some women enjoy watching men and women have sex, but very few women like Playgirl. 1.00

02:05:28.000 Like, Playgirl and looking at a guy's cocks. 1.00

02:05:31.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:05:31.000 That's for dudes. 0.97

02:05:32.000 Yeah, it is.

02:05:32.000 Okay?

02:05:33.000 Playgirl is for fucking dudes. 1.00

02:05:35.000 If you're a guy and you pose for Playgirl, you're doing gay porn. 1.00

02:05:39.000 Right. 1.00

02:05:39.000 Sorry. 1.00

02:05:39.000 I know you don't want to think, no, no, no. 1.00

02:05:41.000 No, bro. 1.00

02:05:42.000 Bro, fucking girls are liberated, man. 1.00

02:05:44.000 Although more women are watching, more and more women apparently are watching porn. 1.00

02:05:47.000 Dude, I looked at one Playgirl once. 0.96

02:05:49.000 Once!

02:05:50.000 Just once.

02:05:50.000 I had a gun to my head.

02:05:52.000 And a guy was like doing like, what's that baby, happy baby position?

02:05:57.000 Oh, God.

02:05:57.000 Where you're lying down, your feet are up in the air, and your legs are bent, and he was holding his feet.

02:06:01.000 And his fucking cock was like three quarters hard, because you're not allowed to show hard cocks in those magazines. 1.00

02:06:07.000 Right. 1.00

02:06:07.000 Because hard cocks is hardcore pornography. 1.00

02:06:10.000 Right. 0.98

02:06:10.000 Very strange. 0.98

02:06:11.000 Soft dicks. 1.00

02:06:11.000 When I was a kid, porn, you weren't allowed to show hard-ons. 1.00

02:06:15.000 You had to show, like, semis.

02:06:17.000 Only semis.

02:06:18.000 It was very strange.

02:06:20.000 So, like, all porn scenes were guys, like, they were making pastries. 1.00

02:06:24.000 They were all, like, squeezing the base of their dick like they were trying to write Happy Birthday with their cock. 1.00

02:06:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:06:29.000 That was all porn.

02:06:31.000 That was all magazines. 0.92

02:06:33.000 There was no penetration in magazines. 0.98

02:06:36.000 Now you've got RedTube and XX and NX and all that shit. 0.99

02:06:41.000 Our ability to view sex has changed so radically that people, apparently, especially kids, are engaging in way more sex early. 0.99

02:06:53.000 And also the kind of sex they watch on TV because a lot of the women, girls, think they have to keep up with the boys' fantasies because they've been watching all this porn. 0.85

02:07:02.000 And boys get really bored too, apparently.

02:07:05.000 I've read studies or heard about studies where a lot of boys will...

02:07:10.000 Like when you and I were growing up just seeing a naked girl, we weren't looking at imperfections. 1.00

02:07:14.000 We were like, holy fucking shit, she's naked. 1.00

02:07:16.000 Like I don't... 1.00

02:07:17.000 Yeah.

02:07:18.000 Boys now have access to these women that have been surgically enhanced and photoshopped and all that stuff and with makeup and their appreciation for linear lines and all that stuff is way more heightened.

02:07:34.000 They're way more picky.

02:07:35.000 And so a lot of women, they'll go with one girl and then they'll go to the next girl and there's a lot more of that apparently. 1.00

02:07:41.000 I don't know.

02:07:42.000 Yeah, apparently.

02:07:44.000 It's amazing, though, that we have all these weird hang-ups in this day and age when it comes to sex.

02:07:51.000 And I think a lot of it has to be because it's like sexual attraction is not an even thing.

02:07:58.000 I mean, have you ever been around a woman who is not sexually attractive, but she has a friend who's sexually attractive? 0.96

02:08:05.000 There's a lot of the women who are non-sexually attractive get fucking aggressive. 1.00

02:08:09.000 They don't like men. 0.99

02:08:11.000 They try to keep men away from their friend.

02:08:13.000 And they try to protect their friend under the guise.

02:08:17.000 But it's not.

02:08:18.000 They're cockblockers. 1.00

02:08:19.000 They're hardcore cockblockers because they're angry that they're not sexually attractive. 1.00

02:08:23.000 And a lot of it is just a fucking genetic roll of the dice. 0.99

02:08:27.000 You have perfect bone structure, your nose is the perfect shape, your body's perfect shape, and everybody's gravitating towards you. 0.99

02:08:33.000 But you go to the person on the left, and this person, their dad was goofy looking, their mom was goofy looking, and then they made goofy looking kids.

02:08:42.000 There's nothing that goofy looking kid can do about it. 0.98

02:08:44.000 But when you're talking about these radical feminists who are coming up with these laws or whatever, again, this is the lunatic fringe. 1.00

02:08:52.000 This is an example, if we can bring it back to the Islam debate. 0.92

02:08:58.000 I believe that these people are unreasonable.

02:09:02.000 And there are a lot of people in religion that are unreasonable.

02:09:06.000 And I think that these feminists who are pushing these laws are very similar to fundamentalists. 1.00

02:09:12.000 They are religious in their own way.

02:09:13.000 They have their own orthodoxy, their own fundamentalism, their own very strong ideas of what rape is.

02:09:20.000 And rape is anything, anything that they deem it to be in this case.

02:09:26.000 They put rape, they put somebody who didn't necessarily say they wanted to have sex on the same ground as somebody who was violently raped by some stranger in a parking lot at knife point, whatever.

02:09:38.000 And it's the same kind of...

02:09:41.000 Some people have this need to be unreasonable, to be fundamentalist in their beliefs.

02:09:46.000 And it is, in its own way, a prison of belief.

02:09:50.000 It is very similar to the kind of, in the case we were talking about with Islam, the very similar mindset as an Islamic fundamentalist.

02:10:00.000 Well, there's a lot of people who are angry.

02:10:02.000 Look, there's a lot of men who are angry at women, okay?

02:10:05.000 The angry male movement, like there's the men's rights movement. 0.99

02:10:09.000 There's a lot of those guys are fucking very angry at women. 0.97

02:10:13.000 There's a lot of the pickup artist movement. 0.99

02:10:16.000 Oh, God.

02:10:17.000 Those guys, there's a lot of them.

02:10:18.000 Not all of them, but a lot of them that I've read forums.

02:10:22.000 I've listened to these guys talking videos.

02:10:24.000 There's a lot of them that are clearly angry with women.

02:10:27.000 And one of the big arguments, one of the big...

02:10:30.000 The big points of contention, the big things they're pissed off about, is them not being attractive to women.

02:10:36.000 Because women want money, women want status, women want good-looking guys, they want this, they want that. 1.00

02:10:41.000 So these pickup artists are showing you ways to circumnavigate that.

02:10:45.000 There's this one video where this guy had long hair, and he's trying to be this cool guy. 0.99

02:10:49.000 He's like, I don't give a fuck if you're in a wheelchair. 1.00

02:10:52.000 Have you seen this video? 1.00

02:10:53.000 He goes, I can teach you how to fuck. 1.00

02:10:56.000 Yeah, he wanted to be in my podcast. 1.00

02:10:58.000 I was like, Was fucking preposterous. 1.00

02:11:00.000 He's disgusting. 0.99

02:11:02.000 And this idea is based on the fact that there's some people that just women don't find attractive and they feel like it's not fair. 0.98

02:11:09.000 So they go out, they try to pick...

02:11:11.000 They're going to manipulate their way into her pants. 1.00

02:11:12.000 Well, they're trying to, because otherwise they're not going to get in there.

02:11:15.000 They're just not. 0.98

02:11:16.000 And one of the reasons why a lot of this is an issue, and this is what's really fucked up, Prostitution's illegal. 0.99

02:11:23.000 And prostitution should be fucking legal. 1.00

02:11:25.000 I agree. 0.99

02:11:26.000 And if prostitution was legal, and it was sanctioned, and women were tested... 0.99

02:11:30.000 You'd have an outlet!

02:11:31.000 You'd have an outlet, and men wouldn't have to feel always that there's no way anyone's ever going to touch them.

02:11:38.000 That's true.

02:11:40.000 Everybody wants to think that there's something awful and terrible about prostitution. 0.97

02:11:43.000 Look, I don't want my daughter becoming a prostitute, but guess what? 0.68

02:11:46.000 I don't want my daughter working at Wendy's either. 0.97

02:11:48.000 I don't want my daughter being a waitress. 1.00

02:11:50.000 If someone can give you a massage, and a massage is totally legal, what is a massage?

02:11:55.000 They don't want to touch you.

02:11:57.000 They're touching you because you're paying them.

02:11:59.000 That's right.

02:11:59.000 And you feel good when they touch you.

02:12:01.000 Why is that okay, but jerking you off is not okay? 0.98

02:12:05.000 In Asian countries, they don't feel that way. 0.99

02:12:07.000 As a matter of fact, in a lot of those countries, massage with a jerk-off at the end is a natural part of massage. 1.00

02:12:14.000 Or what about just a woman who is willing to, for a certain price, Fuck you. 1.00

02:12:21.000 She's in command of her own body. 1.00

02:12:23.000 She's willing to engage in a transaction with you, an economic transaction.

02:12:28.000 You want to touch this?

02:12:28.000 On her terms.

02:12:29.000 No problem.

02:12:30.000 It's on my terms?

02:12:30.000 No problem.

02:12:31.000 Why is that illegal?

02:12:32.000 And why can't she make her rate? 1.00

02:12:35.000 Why can't she say, look, you want to have sex with me, if you're kind to me and you're nice, I will have sex with you, I want $5,000. 1.00

02:12:41.000 Right. 1.00

02:12:42.000 You know, and she can have sex once a month, and that's it. 1.00

02:12:45.000 And she doesn't have to work for the rest of the fucking month. 1.00

02:12:47.000 Exactly. 0.99

02:12:47.000 She gets all of her bills paid, and she's done. 0.99

02:12:50.000 Right.

02:12:50.000 Where is she?

02:12:51.000 No.

02:12:52.000 You're right.

02:12:53.000 Sorry.

02:12:53.000 But why is that?

02:12:55.000 It's the idea being that that person is a sicko.

02:12:58.000 But we were talking about dominatrixes while we were in camp. 0.95

02:13:04.000 And one of the things we were talking about was how weird it is that people, like a lot of really rich and powerful men especially, pay to get dominated by women. 0.99

02:13:14.000 Like women will tie them up and fucking rope their balls to the ground and all that shit you were talking to me about. 1.00

02:13:19.000 And that's okay. 1.00

02:13:21.000 Like, somehow or another, that's okay.

02:13:23.000 Like, that falls...

02:13:24.000 Because the guy is kind of being brutalized, like, it's okay.

02:13:28.000 Even if it's, like, sexual, it's okay.

02:13:31.000 It's, like, weird. 1.00

02:13:32.000 But if it's just straight sex, you know, if the woman puts her mouth in the guy's penis for ten minutes... 1.00

02:13:38.000 There's ejaculation, I guess, or whatever. 1.00

02:13:40.000 Yeah, it's just...

02:13:40.000 Well, doesn't that have its origins in...

02:13:43.000 Religion.

02:13:44.000 Religion, yeah. 0.89

02:13:45.000 And so, again, this is where… The Puritan nature of this country.

02:13:47.000 Right.

02:13:47.000 And so that, again, is what I'm saying about we live in a very religious country in many ways.

02:13:53.000 And whenever you look at Islam or you look at Christianity, I believe that the majority of people from any religion, if you really talk to them, we have a lot more in common.

02:14:02.000 Americans have a lot more in common with… I bet a lot of the average Arab on the street, if you really get them alone, a lot more in common than you think.

02:14:14.000 I mean, my God, I guarantee most of them want some saying who governs them.

02:14:18.000 Most people have doubts about their religion.

02:14:21.000 Most people don't want to see people suffer and be hurt even though their religion might say you should stone somebody, etc., etc.

02:14:28.000 Most people are reasonable.

02:14:29.000 Most people are that way.

02:14:31.000 And it is the loudest lunatic fringe that tends to sway the debate.

02:14:36.000 Look at this country.

02:14:37.000 Look at the parties, the Republican and Democratic Party.

02:14:40.000 Look at who really gets all the headlines. 1.00

02:14:42.000 It's the loudest motherfuckers. 0.98

02:14:44.000 Yeah, and it's also, if you grew up in that environment, the reality is, if that was your standard of behavior, if you were around people like those guys in that video, you know, how many of you belong to a regular mosque? 0.99

02:14:57.000 If you were around that guy, you'd be like that guy.

02:15:00.000 That's the reality is we imitate our atmosphere.

02:15:02.000 Or you would assume the position when you're in church, and then you go about your day, and life is busy, and you're like, And in that sense, I can see, I totally see this pendulum shifting back and forth, and this yes means yes.

02:15:17.000 I kind of see the origins of it, and I kind of see, like, I see the whole thing from a larger perspective, but I just feel that as human beings trying to engineer our society, that what we should really be trying to do,

02:15:32.000 if it is at all possible...

02:15:35.000 Is approach each other and approach these situations with kindness and compassion and love and dignity and friendship.

02:15:45.000 The idea that we could establish friendship.

02:15:48.000 And establish that people who are in certain situations do things that they regret.

02:15:53.000 Whether it's a woman getting drunk, having sex with a guy she didn't really want to have sex with.

02:15:58.000 After the fact, when she realized, like, what have I done? 0.86

02:16:00.000 Blah, blah, blah.

02:16:01.000 But let's approach this with compassion.

02:16:06.000 Let's counsel these people to not get drunk and make poor choices.

02:16:11.000 Let's not turn the men into rapists or use that term where there are real rapists. 1.00

02:16:17.000 There are people that fucking hate women and they want to hold them down and put a knife to their neck and fuck them just so they can say they did it because they're evil cunts. 1.00

02:16:23.000 Those guys should be in jail. 1.00

02:16:25.000 But the guy who gets drunk and has sex with a girl who says, do you have a condom? 0.99

02:16:30.000 And the guy says, yes, and then texts her friend, I'm coming over. 0.99

02:16:33.000 I'm going to go have sex with this guy. 1.00

02:16:34.000 That's not rape! 1.00

02:16:36.000 No, it's not.

02:16:36.000 It's just not.

02:16:37.000 It's called personal responsibility.

02:16:38.000 And to say that this young 18-year-old guy is supposed to have more responsibility in that scenario than the 18-year-old girl is totally sexist, completely illogical, totally unfair, and evil.

02:16:52.000 It's evil.

02:16:53.000 That's really sexist.

02:16:55.000 I mean, that's like one of the most sexist approaches to two human beings enjoying each other's company that I can even imagine.

02:17:02.000 Because you're dealing with a completely even scenario.

02:17:05.000 A guy and a girl communicating that they want to be together.

02:17:08.000 The girl communicating to her friend. 0.95

02:17:10.000 She's about to go have sex. 1.00

02:17:12.000 Saying, I'm going to go have sex now. 0.99

02:17:14.000 You know, Francis Fukuyama, who's like, you know, Harold is this incredible intellectual. 0.95

02:17:21.000 He just wrote this book now.

02:17:21.000 It's coming out.

02:17:23.000 He said that if you look at history, it's been man's quest for dignity.

02:17:29.000 Like every culture, every person.

02:17:30.000 That's what people really strive for as nations, as people.

02:17:34.000 Just the idea that they want some dignity.

02:17:36.000 They want some governance over their own body.

02:17:38.000 They want fair play.

02:17:40.000 They want to be heard.

02:17:41.000 They want to not be humiliated.

02:17:43.000 All those things.

02:17:44.000 And it's kind of an interesting thing if you think about it, under one word, what human beings really, that human history has been sort of a march and a quest for dignity by peoples and by individuals.

02:17:55.000 We're trying to engineer a more idealistic society. 0.98

02:17:59.000 Slowly but surely from the dark ages on to 2014, from the beginning of writing shit down on animal skins, trying to establish a set of moral principles based on the word of God or Allah or Buddha or whoever the fuck you want. 0.98

02:18:15.000 We're trying to figure out a way to do things better. 0.97

02:18:17.000 And that's what we're still doing.

02:18:19.000 And so a law like this, the yes means yes, what are they trying to do?

02:18:22.000 They're trying to stop sexual assault on campus, which is a real issue.

02:18:25.000 I agree.

02:18:26.000 And so are we.

02:18:27.000 Yes.

02:18:27.000 Right?

02:18:28.000 But it's a question of what your methodology is.

02:18:30.000 And whether you're creating more damage than good, whether you're being fair in this or not.

02:18:34.000 And I think that's where the debate has to start.

02:18:36.000 What is the common goal?

02:18:37.000 We don't want people to be raped.

02:18:39.000 We all agree with that if you're a reasonable person and a good guy.

02:18:41.000 And now the question is, what's the best way to do that?

02:18:44.000 But how can anybody ever think that getting people to say...

02:18:50.000 You know, like, say, okay, do you want to have sex with me? 0.98

02:18:53.000 Yes, I want to have sex. 0.99

02:18:54.000 That's the only way to do it. 1.00

02:18:55.000 Gross! 0.98

02:18:55.000 I want romance, man! 0.98

02:18:57.000 What about the fun?

02:18:58.000 What happened to movies?

02:18:58.000 Yeah, what about the fun of it?

02:19:00.000 Like, holy shit, look what we're doing. 0.99

02:19:01.000 This is crazy! 1.00

02:19:02.000 The fun of kissing, and then a girl reaches and grabs your dick, and you're like, okay, boy! 1.00

02:19:06.000 Oh, that's the best. 1.00

02:19:07.000 You didn't say, are we going to have sex now?

02:19:10.000 There was no conversation. 1.00

02:19:11.000 You're kissing a girl and she just grabs your dick. 1.00

02:19:13.000 It's one of the greatest moments in life. 1.00

02:19:16.000 She's down for the count. 0.71

02:19:17.000 It really is one of the greatest moments in life when you're not sure what's going to happen.

02:19:22.000 You're young.

02:19:23.000 You're kissing.

02:19:24.000 I was on a date once with this girl and I thought it was done.

02:19:28.000 I thought, well, whatever.

02:19:29.000 I took her on a date and I was pulling out all the stops, you know, talking about this, that line about celebrities I know, etc., etc.

02:19:34.000 It was all Going well, but she was not impressed.

02:19:37.000 And so finally, I was like, alright.

02:19:39.000 It was in New York City.

02:19:40.000 I was going to put her in a cab. 1.00

02:19:40.000 And she goes, you put me in a cab? 1.00

02:19:42.000 And I went, what do you mean?

02:19:45.000 She goes, so that's it?

02:19:47.000 You put me in a cab.

02:19:49.000 You're wimping out.

02:19:50.000 I was like, never mind, cab driver.

02:19:54.000 We're going up to my place.

02:19:55.000 I was like, yee-haw!

02:19:57.000 Those are some of the greatest moments of your life as a young man.

02:20:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:20:00.000 Those are some fucking good times. 0.99

02:20:02.000 When it all works out. 0.99

02:20:03.000 There's ones that work out terribly. 1.00

02:20:06.000 There's ones that you get together and one person says something stupid and the other person says something stupider. 1.00

02:20:12.000 And you're like, oh, fuck. 1.00

02:20:14.000 We're in a fucking quagmire. 1.00

02:20:16.000 No one's getting out of this. 0.99

02:20:17.000 Yeah, personalities clash, and it doesn't always work.

02:20:22.000 But when it does work, God, it's magic.

02:20:23.000 And to try to quantify that magic with a conversation of consent, and people say, well, your romance is not as important as a woman's sexual sovereignty, and you need to establish it. 0.99

02:20:34.000 Shut up! 1.00

02:20:35.000 The really gross voices in this are not even the women. 1.00

02:20:40.000 Because I think, fundamentally, A lot of women probably have a really hard time understanding the male urge. 0.97

02:20:47.000 Just like, fundamentally, a man has a very difficult time truly conceptualizing the idea that a woman wants to get pregnant.

02:20:55.000 You know, the urge to have a baby grow in your body is fundamentally a very difficult thing for a guy to wrap his head around.

02:21:02.000 And so, when a woman wants to do something that's illogical, To sort of regulate male sexuality. 0.87

02:21:11.000 I almost kind of understand it.

02:21:12.000 I almost kind of look at it and I go, well, yeah, I guess they just don't...

02:21:15.000 Maybe they don't know what it's like to be a man, you know?

02:21:19.000 Right. 1.00

02:21:20.000 But when a man steps in and starts saying a bunch of really illogical shit, when a man starts taking radical feminist points of view, that shit becomes very offensive to me. 1.00

02:21:33.000 Because then, that's when I know... 1.00

02:21:35.000 What you're really doing is you're trying to earn favor.

02:21:39.000 You're trying to establish this really unusually moral position.

02:21:43.000 Social brownie points.

02:21:44.000 Social brownie points.

02:21:45.000 Social brownie points.

02:21:47.000 Hashtag social brownie points.

02:21:49.000 Hashtag male feminists. 0.95

02:21:50.000 And, you know, I mean, look, again, we both have, I don't want to call them feminists, but we both have what we call humanist values.

02:21:58.000 Like, I think absolutely everyone should be treated equally in the law.

02:22:02.000 But we're not equal in society.

02:22:04.000 We're just not.

02:22:05.000 Just like we're not equal.

02:22:07.000 Some people are stronger, faster.

02:22:08.000 Yeah, some people are smarter.

02:22:10.000 The world is weird, man.

02:22:12.000 Some people are tall.

02:22:12.000 Some people are short.

02:22:13.000 Some people are sexually attractive.

02:22:15.000 Some people are not.

02:22:16.000 We're not equally funny. 0.99

02:22:18.000 Some people are not fucking funny. 0.94

02:22:20.000 They never will be. 1.00

02:22:22.000 Some people suck at math. 0.89

02:22:23.000 I'm one of them. 1.00

02:22:24.000 Some people, you know, there's like a lot of shit that's just not fair. 0.99

02:22:27.000 It's just the world. 0.99

02:22:29.000 The world is weird.

02:22:30.000 And when men come along and they want to establish Some weird, fake male behavior rules.

02:22:39.000 And I know what they're doing.

02:22:41.000 When I know what they're doing, when I know they're saying things, they're making videos about...

02:22:45.000 We talked about it on the Thaddeus Russell podcast.

02:22:48.000 That Dear Woman video.

02:22:50.000 You ever see the Dear Woman video?

02:22:51.000 Oh, you've never seen it either?

02:22:53.000 No.

02:22:54.000 For real?

02:22:54.000 No.

02:22:55.000 Jamie, pull it up one more time.

02:22:57.000 One more time.

02:22:58.000 Just for the folks at home that may not have seen it.

02:23:00.000 It's these guys who no woman in their right mind would ever want to touch.

02:23:05.000 And these guys are apologizing for all women.

02:23:08.000 Oh, those guys are the greatest.

02:23:09.000 Dear women. 1.00

02:23:09.000 Have you seen it? 1.00

02:23:10.000 Yes, yes.

02:23:11.000 You have seen it.

02:23:11.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

02:23:12.000 Never mind.

02:23:12.000 Those guys are the perfect...

02:23:13.000 Thank you for your strength.

02:23:14.000 Yeah, yes.

02:23:15.000 Thank you for your wonderful characteristics.

02:23:18.000 We apologize for all the men who've treated you poorly. 0.99

02:23:21.000 Like, what, choking you when you ask to be choked when you get fucked? 0.99

02:23:24.000 There's reality! 1.00

02:23:26.000 Of course! 0.99

02:23:27.000 Those men are traitors. 1.00

02:23:28.000 Those men are gender traitors. 1.00

02:23:30.000 And all of them, to a man or women, Or men that women wouldn't want to fuck. 1.00

02:23:36.000 Or there's a couple of them that look like players in there that are just taking that stance. 1.00

02:23:43.000 Bad guys. 0.92

02:23:43.000 Impostors. 0.92

02:23:44.000 Impostors!

02:23:45.000 There's a lot of creepers out there, man, on both sides.

02:23:47.000 Who is it?

02:23:48.000 Like Dante in the Inferno said... 0.88

02:23:51.000 He goes that impostors, when he created his image of hell, which was a cone, inverted cone, and the very worst, the bottom of the center of the earth, are, you know, murderers and sadistic killers and impostors.

02:24:03.000 Impostors are actually down there with them. 1.00

02:24:05.000 Cunts! 1.00

02:24:06.000 Cunts! 0.99

02:24:07.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that out there, man. 0.98

02:24:08.000 There's a lot of, well, there's just a lot of, again, there's a lot of uneven in the world.

02:24:13.000 Like, there's a lot of people that are these, remember when, you ever see Peter Schiff when he was at Occupy Wall Street?

02:24:21.000 No.

02:24:22.000 And there was a bunch of people that were on Occupy Wall Street, and he had this video.

02:24:26.000 Peter Schiff is a brilliant guy, economist, and I had him on the podcast.

02:24:29.000 Fascinating.

02:24:30.000 I don't necessarily agree with all of his points of view, but he's a very bright man, and he knows so much more about economics than I ever will.

02:24:38.000 And he was talking to these people.

02:24:40.000 He set up a booth.

02:24:41.000 Like a stand, you know, it had a big sign that said, ask a one percenter. 0.98

02:24:45.000 And if you've never seen it, pull that up, because it's fucking amazing. 0.96

02:24:48.000 And it's these people that are angry, man, but their ideas are so uninformed, poorly thought out, and easily picked apart. 0.73

02:24:57.000 And one of them was like, why do you need so much money, man?

02:25:00.000 He's like, I employ 100 people.

02:25:01.000 Who do you employ?

02:25:02.000 How many people do you employ?

02:25:03.000 How many people do you help?

02:25:04.000 Like, you're asking me, why do I need so much money?

02:25:07.000 Why do I make so much money?

02:25:07.000 It's just capitalism.

02:25:08.000 You're a capitalist, too.

02:25:09.000 You're just not good at it.

02:25:10.000 You know, like, do you pay money for food?

02:25:12.000 Do you pay money for rent?

02:25:13.000 Well, then you're a capitalist.

02:25:14.000 You get paid for work.

02:25:15.000 Do you get paid for work?

02:25:16.000 Yes, you get paid for work.

02:25:17.000 You're a capitalist.

02:25:18.000 Like, you're just not good at it.

02:25:19.000 This is incredible.

02:25:20.000 It's amazing.

02:25:21.000 Ask the 1%. 0.98

02:25:22.000 And I agree with the sentiment, and I agree with the fact that you should be protesting.

02:25:26.000 It's just my point is it's Washington that should be the recipient of the protest.

02:25:30.000 You guys should be marching on the White House and the Federal Reserve demanding your freedom back.

02:25:35.000 Look, Steve Jobs just passed away.

02:25:36.000 He made billions.

02:25:37.000 How many people here have iPhones in their pockets?

02:25:40.000 I feel like what you want is...

02:25:42.000 He's not a humanitarian.

02:25:43.000 He's a businessman.

02:25:44.000 But he enriched the lives of millions of people pursuing his own self-interest.

02:25:48.000 I am not a ramp so that you can do an ollie in front of your camera.

02:25:51.000 I actually want to have a conversation.

02:25:54.000 The what?

02:25:54.000 The 99% to 1% meme was just one meme out of many memes.

02:26:00.000 What's a meme?

02:26:02.000 I'm so sorry.

02:26:04.000 A popular turn of phrase.

02:26:06.000 Okay.

02:26:07.000 So the catchphrase, 99%.

02:26:09.000 This is not 99% park.

02:26:12.000 It's Liberty Plaza.

02:26:14.000 And the 99% catchphrase is not...

02:26:20.000 Definitive of everyone here.

02:26:21.000 It makes sense why a popularity meme would be popular.

02:26:27.000 I understand you have to make money, but there's got to be regulations.

02:26:30.000 Because I believe in democracy, but I also believe in regulations.

02:26:33.000 The market has to grow at a sensible rate, right?

02:26:36.000 It cannot grow too fast.

02:26:37.000 If the market grows too fast, it will crash.

02:26:40.000 See, the regulation we want is the market.

02:26:43.000 That's the regulation that works.

02:26:44.000 The same thing is with labor.

02:26:46.000 A corporation just can't take advantage of its workers and pay them as little as it wants because businesses compete with one another to buy labor.

02:26:54.000 Here we go.

02:26:58.000 What does slavery have to do with what we're talking about?

02:27:00.000 We're saying there is a role for government in our society, and corporations cannot do everything.

02:27:06.000 But slavery was wrong to begin with, so let's not even...

02:27:09.000 It was government that created it.

02:27:11.000 Government is there to protect property, life, liberty, and that's it.

02:27:15.000 You mentioned Walmart, so what are you afraid that Walmart's going to do to you?

02:27:18.000 What am I afraid they're going to do to me?

02:27:20.000 What is Walmart doing?

02:27:20.000 You should go and ask the employees that are working in sweatshop-type conditions that don't get enough hours, that don't have healthcare.

02:27:28.000 Wait a minute.

02:27:28.000 Then why don't they quit?

02:27:30.000 I mean, Walmart doesn't hold a gun to their head.

02:27:32.000 If they can get a better job... 0.95

02:27:33.000 So why did the rape victim get raped? 0.97

02:27:36.000 What was she doing out late at night?

02:27:37.000 Do you want to go back to 1920, 1930?

02:27:40.000 What is this golden year that Republicans want to go back to?

02:27:43.000 What year?

02:27:44.000 The 60s?

02:27:44.000 The 70s?

02:27:45.000 What year?

02:27:46.000 I don't want to go back to that technology, but I want to go back to that level of freedom.

02:27:49.000 I want...

02:27:50.000 There was more freedom for who?

02:27:52.000 Some women couldn't vote at some point. 1.00

02:27:54.000 African-Americans and others had to ride in the back of the bus.

02:27:57.000 You want to go back there.

02:27:58.000 We don't want to go back there.

02:27:59.000 I'm telling you, there's more economic freedom.

02:28:02.000 There was more economic freedom, but we're not social freedom and social justice.

02:28:06.000 There's been memorials for Steve Jobs all over the place, at every Apple store.

02:28:12.000 There's reporters that are all around the world that never asked one single question to Steve Jobs when he was alive.

02:28:17.000 Why are you manufacturing your iPhone in China and you don't have any of your manufacturing here in the United States?

02:28:24.000 Do you think that's fair to the American people?

02:28:27.000 Wait, the American people don't own those jobs. 0.99

02:28:29.000 Steve Jobs has a right to manufacture where he wants.

02:28:32.000 He does have a right to do it.

02:28:34.000 And the problem is we have made it too expensive for him to manufacture here.

02:28:37.000 Oh, we did.

02:28:38.000 Because the American workers want too much. 0.98

02:28:40.000 Because we want too much healthcare?

02:28:42.000 Oh, it's the government's fault.

02:28:43.000 Remember, the reason that employers want to lower wages is because their customers want low prices.

02:28:51.000 Everybody in this park wants low prices.

02:28:53.000 You can't have low prices.

02:28:55.000 No, we don't!

02:28:56.000 No, we don't!

02:28:57.000 Do you believe that the federal government has a right to exist in the government's lives of American people?

02:29:01.000 It has a right to exist, but not in the form it exists today.

02:29:04.000 It's operating outside the Constitution.

02:29:05.000 Do you believe the EPA should be disbanded?

02:29:07.000 I think it does a lot more harm than good.

02:29:09.000 Do you believe the FDA should be disbanded?

02:29:11.000 Yeah, I'd like to get rid of it.

02:29:12.000 What about the FDA? Uh-huh.

02:29:14.000 The Board of Education?

02:29:16.000 What about the Board of Education?

02:29:17.000 I want to get rid of the entire Federal Department of Education.

02:29:20.000 Yes, it is wasting our money.

02:29:21.000 And it is running up the cost of education.

02:29:23.000 Sir, what I've learned...

02:29:24.000 Let me finish. 1.00

02:29:25.000 What I've learned over the years is to never argue with a fool. 1.00

02:29:28.000 And you, my friend, are a fool. 1.00

02:29:30.000 Okay, so I'm foolish, right? 1.00

02:29:32.000 So I just stumbled into all my wealth. 0.92

02:29:34.000 I run all these businesses.

02:29:35.000 How could you disband the EPA and the FDA and the Board of Education?

02:29:39.000 Because it's not the Board of Education. 1.00

02:29:41.000 You're an idiot. 1.00

02:29:42.000 You're talking about the Department of Education. 1.00

02:29:43.000 No, no, no.

02:29:44.000 It's emotional arguments.

02:29:47.000 30% of the homeless people in America are veterans, so when everybody says we support the troops, that's a lie.

02:29:54.000 You support the troops when they're out there getting killed or shot, but when they come home and they're homeless and they got no jobs, you don't support the troops.

02:30:02.000 I didn't even support a lot of these wars that put those troops over there in the first place.

02:30:09.000 This guy's great though, this guy's Schiff.

02:30:13.000 That is the problem!

02:30:29.000 You'll be like, hey, can I be Secretary of the Treasury?

02:30:32.000 If they had no power, there'd be no lobbying.

02:30:35.000 There'd be nothing to give out.

02:30:37.000 We don't want the government to be able to pick winners and losers, to say, you get a bailout and you don't.

02:30:42.000 You pay a tax and you get a subsidy.

02:30:45.000 That is the problem.

02:30:46.000 There's this one guy that I actually wanted you to focus on that was like, he was asking him, why do you need so much money?

02:30:52.000 Like, why do you need?

02:30:54.000 Why can't you make, you know, $10 million instead of $100 million? 0.76

02:31:00.000 This is this other black dude.

02:31:02.000 I think he had dreadlocks.

02:31:04.000 Well, this is such an example of if you hold a point of view, it takes a long time to earn it.

02:31:14.000 It might be a different one.

02:31:16.000 There's a bunch of these videos out there.

02:31:18.000 What a gutsy guy.

02:31:18.000 I love that he did this.

02:31:19.000 He's got...

02:31:20.000 Is it two hours?

02:31:21.000 Yeah.

02:31:21.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:31:22.000 Yeah, it was the wrong one.

02:31:24.000 There's one that was a short clip.

02:31:26.000 But that's such a classic example of like, you might be angry, I understand, but it's exactly the great Thoreau quote.

02:31:30.000 I see men everywhere hacking at the branches of evil while none are striking the root.

02:31:36.000 And if you want to say something's evil, if it's Wall Street, if it's big pharma, if it's whatever, it's so crucial to establish what kind of evil.

02:31:48.000 And the way you figure that out is who is the real enemy?

02:31:51.000 What is the root cause?

02:31:53.000 That's why you've got to read.

02:31:55.000 That's why you've got to earn your opinion.

02:31:56.000 Otherwise, you're just shouting in the wind and you're just part of that.

02:31:59.000 Well, not only that, you can't have a conversation like this where one guy has a microphone and he's going back and forth, handing it to you and you, and you do it in a video.

02:32:04.000 I want to end this.

02:32:07.000 I want to end that.

02:32:07.000 I want to end the Department of Education.

02:32:09.000 You're a fool. 1.00

02:32:09.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

02:32:10.000 We didn't get anything done here.

02:32:11.000 Two people shouting their point of view.

02:32:13.000 To really establish what is wrong with the Department of Education, you have to have a long, nuanced conversation about what they're doing, how they're funded, what the problem is, how they subsidize college tuition so that it costs so much more for you to actually go to college, the reason why it's so goddamn expensive,

02:32:29.000 and it would be different if this didn't exist. 0.81

02:32:32.000 Talking to people who know their shit and reading the right books who make a good argument is how you get closer at least. 0.97

02:32:39.000 Investigation over some time is how you get closer to figuring out where the real problems lie. 0.97

02:32:46.000 Yeah, it's the emotions that flare up when people start talking about things and they don't really have an educated opinion on them.

02:32:53.000 They just go there because they know something's wrong.

02:32:56.000 I equated Occupy Wall Street to like white blood cells.

02:32:59.000 I'm like, they know there's an infection, so they all circle around this area of infection, but it's not noticeably affected.

02:33:06.000 That's a really, really good metaphor for that, because you're right, it was a combination of a lot of things.

02:33:12.000 But it wasn't effective. 0.99

02:33:13.000 It's like they got there and like, there's a fucking infection. 0.99

02:33:16.000 We're white blood cells. 0.99

02:33:17.000 But nothing really got done other than...

02:33:20.000 Well, one thing did get done.

02:33:22.000 It opened up the dialogue.

02:33:23.000 But the dialogue was already opened up and people understood the bailout.

02:33:26.000 People started paying attention to the bailout.

02:33:27.000 And when people went broke and didn't know why.

02:33:30.000 But yes, it's why there are some very important and very challenging problems in the world.

02:33:39.000 And there are people out there that are coming up with good answers.

02:33:44.000 But unfortunately, and one of the things that's beautiful about a podcast, what I try to do with mine and what you certainly do with yours, is that a lot of really good ideas are stuck in books.

02:33:55.000 And I think that technology, podcasting, if it's done responsibly in a lot of other venues, is how you get those ideas out of those books.

02:34:04.000 Most of us don't have that much time to read, man.

02:34:07.000 We don't.

02:34:07.000 And I sympathize with that.

02:34:08.000 I get it. 1.00

02:34:09.000 It's really hard to formulate an educated opinion on shit. 1.00

02:34:12.000 You and I know that. 1.00

02:34:13.000 Mm-hmm.

02:34:13.000 You know, like how many opinions that we'd have when we started doing podcasting and then I'd get corrected on this podcast, my podcast, I'd come up with a point of view and say something and people would be like, by the way, you're a little bit wrong on this.

02:34:24.000 And I'd go, I've been holding that belief for 10 fucking years. 0.93

02:34:27.000 And when you start to really investigate and try to come up with a really sound, strong, political philosophy, business philosophy, life philosophy, it takes a lot of fucking work and trial and error. 0.97

02:34:37.000 It's hard to let go of opinions. 0.66

02:34:39.000 But don't stop trying to come up with the answer.

02:34:41.000 A lot of people do not ever want to let go of their opinions. 1.00

02:34:44.000 Once they have that opinion, that motherfucker is locked in. 0.99

02:34:47.000 Because they form an emotion around it. 1.00

02:34:49.000 That's why.

02:34:50.000 Because it's exactly like talking to somebody when you see a religious person talk to an atheist.

02:34:54.000 The atheist says, God doesn't exist.

02:34:56.000 The religious person goes, wait a minute. 0.85

02:34:58.000 My religion gives me a feeling and a very good feeling.

02:35:02.000 It makes me feel like there's purpose and meaning in my life.

02:35:05.000 This guy's attacking that.

02:35:06.000 And then it becomes about that.

02:35:09.000 It becomes not about religion.

02:35:10.000 It becomes you're trying to take the feeling I have away from me. 1.00

02:35:13.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:35:14.000 And that's why opinions are very hard to let go of. 1.00

02:35:17.000 Yeah, it's also when people are having conversations, a lot of times they're not just expressing each other and exchanging information or expressing themselves and exchanging information.

02:35:26.000 They're also trying to win.

02:35:28.000 Yes.

02:35:29.000 Yes.

02:35:45.000 Have you ever seen a person who doesn't have a fight?

02:35:47.000 We all have.

02:35:47.000 I've talked about it on this podcast.

02:35:49.000 This terrifying scenario that happened one night in front of the comedy store where I saw this guy get in a fight with this guy who didn't have any fucking skill at all. 0.97

02:35:57.000 He didn't know what to do. 0.97

02:35:57.000 He didn't know how to handle panic. 0.97

02:35:59.000 He had eyes closed and he was flailing and a bus pulled in front of him.

02:36:02.000 I couldn't see what happened because they were fighting on one side of the street and the bus blocked my vision.

02:36:07.000 And then when the bus passed, he was out cold on the concrete.

02:36:10.000 So obviously somebody punched him, but the guy didn't know how to fight, but yet he was still fighting. 0.96

02:36:15.000 And some people will get in arguments about some shit they don't have any information about. 0.94

02:36:20.000 They don't have nothing. 0.98

02:36:21.000 But they have an opinion and an attitude that is based on something that happened to them, an emotional thing.

02:36:28.000 We all have some of that in us.

02:36:30.000 I certainly do, and I've worked very hard to try to... 0.99

02:36:34.000 Let go of that shit when I'm in an argument and sometimes I have to check myself and go, man, I'm arguing to be right here because this person's attacking something else inside of me I'm not even aware of or whatever. 0.97

02:36:45.000 And you see it in relationships. 1.00

02:36:46.000 I got to check myself in my relationship sometimes.

02:36:49.000 We'll just start having an argument and I'm just pissed off and I want to have an argument because I feel like I want to be right about this subject.

02:36:55.000 And when I take a step back, a lot of times it's really hard to do, but it's really important sometimes you go, you know what?

02:37:01.000 I actually don't know that much about it. 0.99

02:37:02.000 Yeah, and sometimes someone will say something crazy to you, and instead of saying, wait a minute, you'll say something crazy back, and the next thing you know it's a fucking avalanche of crazy. 0.97

02:37:11.000 Both of you are swinging, swinging into the air, and emotional, and fucking can't breathe good. 0.66

02:37:16.000 It's also really important to identify what you mean by X. What do you mean by God? 0.98

02:37:25.000 What do you mean by religion?

02:37:26.000 What do you mean by, first, before we start, let's know what we agree on.

02:37:32.000 The argument now that I have with politics is this.

02:37:36.000 I don't talk about Republican, Democrat, liberal, or conservative.

02:37:39.000 I like the question of, we know that you need some governance.

02:37:43.000 Of course you need some governance in this society.

02:37:46.000 The debate really revolves around to what percent?

02:37:48.000 How much do you want government running your lives?

02:37:52.000 There's an answer, and some people want more.

02:37:54.000 There's just an answer.

02:37:55.000 To what degree, in what aspect?

02:37:57.000 It's a complicated question, but start the debate and the discussion that way, and you'll get it further along.

02:38:03.000 I like having my mind changed.

02:38:05.000 I like having my mind changed.

02:38:06.000 I like listening. 0.99

02:38:07.000 You were talking the other day, and you were explaining where technology was going, and I had a lot of opinions because I'd been reading the same shit. 0.85

02:38:14.000 I was about to jump in with a bunch of my points as well, but then I was like, wait, let me just listen to this. 0.98

02:38:19.000 And I learned some shit that I didn't know before. 0.95

02:38:21.000 It's a new thing for me, man. 0.99

02:38:23.000 Is it a new thing for you?

02:38:24.000 A little bit, like to really listen and key into what somebody's saying and look for something new and look for something that you might not know instead of trying to add to the conversation.

02:38:34.000 Hey, by the way, guys, this is something I know as well.

02:38:37.000 We all do that. 0.98

02:38:38.000 We fucking do that all the time. 0.99

02:38:39.000 Everybody does that. 0.99

02:38:40.000 Oh, Joe's saying this?

02:38:42.000 Let me add this to it.

02:38:44.000 Let me put a cherry on that sundae for you guys to show you that I'm also knowledgeable and smart, you know?

02:38:49.000 Instead of just keying in, maybe not saying anything.

02:38:52.000 You know what I like?

02:38:53.000 You know I like what answer I like from people a lot of times?

02:38:55.000 What do you think of this?

02:38:56.000 And a lot of people go, I don't know.

02:38:58.000 It's a good answer.

02:38:59.000 It's a good answer.

02:39:00.000 It's very important.

02:39:01.000 It's very important.

02:39:03.000 Being able to say you don't know, that's like, why is that hard for people?

02:39:07.000 It's hard because we equate our knowledge, like how much knowledge we have, with how strong we are.

02:39:14.000 And I don't know sounds weak.

02:39:16.000 Yeah, and our personal opinion of ourselves.

02:39:21.000 But we're coming to find out, especially in this day and age, that's one of the good things about things like Google, You can't know everything.

02:39:28.000 You cannot. 0.97

02:39:29.000 I've had fucking conversations with people where they seem fairly intelligent. 1.00

02:39:33.000 And then they'll say something, they'll want to have a conversation about martial arts. 0.99

02:39:37.000 And they'll say something so off-base and so ridiculous that now I have to question everything that they've said before. 0.76

02:39:44.000 Because you've just stepped into my world. 0.91

02:39:46.000 Yes. 1.00

02:39:47.000 And you stepped into my world acting like you know what the fuck you're talking about. 1.00

02:39:50.000 Well, how many of these other things you've told me are bullshit too? 1.00

02:39:53.000 That's so disappointing. 0.98

02:39:54.000 I've had that happen to me where people will say something and you go, you're really smart at a lot of stuff and you just stepped into a different arena.

02:40:00.000 You're in the middle of the ocean with no boat right now.

02:40:04.000 It's one of the few things where I'll just completely stop the conversation.

02:40:06.000 I go, no, no, stop.

02:40:08.000 I get offended when people start talking about chi, and it's about centering your energy, and some people can't be pushed over. 0.99

02:40:18.000 Please shut the fuck up. 1.00

02:40:19.000 Stay in your lane. 1.00

02:40:20.000 You want to see something amazing, though, that is real, some real martial arts shit that is kind of like magic? 0.99

02:40:25.000 Yes. 0.98

02:40:25.000 Jamie, there's a video on my Twitter feed that's from today, and it's from a long time ago, from I think it was the 1950s, this fucking old man doing judo with his top students. 0.98

02:40:39.000 And this old dude is like, I don't know how old he is at the time, but he's fucking old. 0.97

02:40:45.000 He's old and he's really frail looking. 0.97

02:40:49.000 Go full screen on this. 0.99

02:40:51.000 This is fucking incredible, man. 0.99

02:40:53.000 I mean, this is really incredible to watch. 0.99

02:40:57.000 Does it say how old he is in this video?

02:40:59.000 Yeah.

02:41:00.000 He looks like a skeleton.

02:41:00.000 Tev Dan, preparing for a challenge with high-level students.

02:41:07.000 Now, watch what the fuck happens, man. 0.99

02:41:09.000 This is a tiny little old man. 1.00

02:41:12.000 And this isn't bullshit, okay? 1.00

02:41:14.000 I know bullshit, and I know choreography. 0.99

02:41:16.000 I'm watching this judo, and these guys are really trying to throw this dude. 0.99

02:41:20.000 But check this out.

02:41:20.000 Look at this old dude.

02:41:21.000 Whoa! 0.71

02:41:22.000 Amazing.

02:41:23.000 Just perfect technique.

02:41:24.000 Look how his legs go flying up in the air.

02:41:26.000 Look at this.

02:41:27.000 How he resists the technique.

02:41:28.000 Look at that.

02:41:29.000 Effortless, almost.

02:41:30.000 This guy's trying to throw him. 1.00

02:41:31.000 Fuck yeah he is. 1.00

02:41:33.000 He's trying to throw him, but the old man knows exactly how to position himself. 1.00

02:41:36.000 Watch.

02:41:37.000 Look, see? 1.00

02:41:38.000 Damn! 1.00

02:41:38.000 He goes behind the hip every time. 1.00

02:41:40.000 It's amazing.

02:41:41.000 Amazing.

02:41:42.000 And watch these young guys.

02:41:44.000 These young black belts are watching this. 1.00

02:41:46.000 This guy is old as fuck. 1.00

02:41:47.000 He's much smaller. 1.00

02:41:48.000 But watch how he throws him.

02:41:50.000 It's incredible.

02:41:51.000 He finds the move.

02:41:52.000 Look at this.

02:41:53.000 Look at this.

02:41:53.000 Every time he tries to throw him.

02:41:55.000 Look at this.

02:41:55.000 Boom!

02:41:58.000 And then they bow to each other, and then the next guy comes along. 1.00

02:42:01.000 And this guy is fucking tiny, man. 0.99

02:42:04.000 This old dude is... 1.00

02:42:06.000 I mean, I don't know how big the other guy is, but he's significantly smaller than the other guy.

02:42:11.000 It's hard, because we're not standing there in perspective, but we're watching this little old man get ragdolled.

02:42:16.000 That's crazy.

02:42:17.000 But when he gets picked in the air, look at how he just goes with it. 0.99

02:42:20.000 I mean, look, that guy fucking tried so hard. 0.96

02:42:23.000 And the old man just flowed with him. 0.99

02:42:26.000 Just got behind his hips and stayed relaxed.

02:42:28.000 Look at that.

02:42:30.000 Relaxed.

02:42:30.000 Stayed relaxed.

02:42:31.000 The guy tried to use the same move.

02:42:32.000 He's really trying to throw him.

02:42:33.000 You can see it. 0.99

02:42:33.000 Oh, fuck yeah, he is. 0.99

02:42:34.000 100%. 1.00

02:42:34.000 But look at this. 1.00

02:42:35.000 Boom! 0.99

02:42:36.000 The old man waits for his moment and throws him.

02:42:39.000 I mean, it's brilliant.

02:42:40.000 It's amazing to watch.

02:42:42.000 He's like water, man.

02:42:44.000 And judo is one of the roughest when it comes to martial arts on your body.

02:42:49.000 So watching this old, really old man throw these young cats around is incredibly impressive because of the fact that it's so physically dependent.

02:42:59.000 I mean, you see, like, the really great judokas.

02:43:02.000 Like, look in the UFC. Like, Hector Mumbar.

02:43:04.000 Look at that.

02:43:05.000 Boom! 0.99

02:43:05.000 The old dude sent that guy flying. 0.99

02:43:08.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

02:43:09.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

02:43:10.000 It's incredible, right? 1.00

02:43:11.000 Whoa! 0.99

02:43:12.000 This is fucking amazing! 0.99

02:43:13.000 Look at this! 1.00

02:43:15.000 It's like a movie!

02:43:16.000 Yeah, look how he goes with it when the guy tries to throw him.

02:43:18.000 He just goes.

02:43:19.000 He's in perfect position every time.

02:43:21.000 Well, his hips, yeah.

02:43:22.000 His hips are... 0.77

02:43:23.000 It's positioning.

02:43:25.000 Look at that.

02:43:25.000 Boom!

02:43:27.000 I was going to say, and by the way, these are... 0.98

02:43:29.000 Man, I don't know what kind of floor that is, but that's not like modern fucking matted floors. 0.96

02:43:33.000 It's like wood. 0.99

02:43:34.000 It's probably hard as shit. 0.99

02:43:35.000 Like Hector Lombard, like a physical specimen. 0.99

02:43:38.000 Ronda Rousey, physical specimen. 0.90

02:43:40.000 And these are like great judokas that are in mixed martial arts today.

02:43:44.000 You know, and there's a lot of, like, their explosion, their ability to close the distance and execute techniques that can be attributed to this power and athleticism.

02:43:53.000 But this old dude ain't got none of that, man.

02:43:56.000 Boom! 0.99

02:43:56.000 Because, you know, if you watch it, like, in the Olympics, it's so explosive. 0.99

02:43:59.000 It's like, boom!

02:43:59.000 It's, like, so quick.

02:44:00.000 It's amazing.

02:44:01.000 And this dude's like water.

02:44:02.000 He's literally like a ghost.

02:44:04.000 Yeah, it's incredible, man.

02:44:06.000 It's incredible to watch.

02:44:07.000 Have you ever seen me dance?

02:44:08.000 Show up with some videos?

02:44:10.000 I really wish I knew more about this dude, when this was filmed.

02:44:15.000 What is this called, this video?

02:44:17.000 It says, Amazing Old Judo Throw Defense.

02:44:20.000 The guy's name is Mifune.

02:44:22.000 M-I-F-U-N-E. Accepts challenges from high-level students. 1.00

02:44:27.000 It's incredible.

02:44:28.000 That guy's really trying, dude.

02:44:30.000 Oh, of course he is.

02:44:31.000 Of course he is.

02:44:32.000 I mean, you can see the effort, and he's doing the right thing, too. 0.97

02:44:35.000 I mean, the guy who's trying is a fucking high-level judoka himself. 0.95

02:44:38.000 Like, look how he's throwing these techniques. 0.98

02:44:40.000 He's trying these hip tosses, and he's not getting anywhere with it. 0.95

02:44:43.000 He's got a ridiculous haircut, that guy.

02:44:45.000 Look at this, the old guy just, he keeps getting behind his hips. 0.99

02:44:48.000 You see how he places his weight every time?

02:44:50.000 Yeah.

02:44:51.000 Look at this! 1.00

02:44:52.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

02:44:53.000 Look at that! 1.00

02:44:54.000 Timing, man!

02:44:55.000 He can see his opening!

02:44:57.000 That guy is a first Dan.

02:44:59.000 He's a first degree black belt.

02:45:01.000 And this guy's an eighth degree black belt here.

02:45:02.000 But the old man's a ten.

02:45:04.000 So this guy right here is probably the highest level student that he's done it against in this video.

02:45:11.000 But it just shows how technique is everything. 0.87

02:45:16.000 It's so fucking important. 0.86

02:45:18.000 And athleticism, with great technique, is almost unbeatable. 0.94

02:45:23.000 It's one of the reasons why a guy like Lombard is so good.

02:45:25.000 It's because he has both of those.

02:45:26.000 His technique is flawless.

02:45:27.000 I wonder what Lombard would say if he saw this.

02:45:29.000 Be amazed.

02:45:31.000 Well, judokas are very proud of judo. 0.74

02:45:33.000 You know, like judo, Jean LaBelle's very proud of it.

02:45:35.000 Ronda's proud of it. 0.99

02:45:37.000 You know, judo is a fucking hard martial art, man. 0.99

02:45:40.000 It's hard on the body, very difficult to learn, and it requires a great deal of understanding. 0.99

02:45:46.000 Understanding of the mechanics of the body and leverage.

02:45:50.000 Ronda told me she was like 11 and she broke her toe.

02:45:54.000 And she was crying and her mother made her run laps.

02:45:56.000 Her mother goes, you might break your toe in competition.

02:45:59.000 Run laps.

02:46:00.000 She was just like...

02:46:01.000 She's a little badass. 1.00

02:46:03.000 Her mother's a hard woman. 1.00

02:46:05.000 Yeah, but look what she created. 1.00

02:46:06.000 Oh, she created... 1.00

02:46:07.000 An extreme winner.

02:46:08.000 You know, what's interesting is...

02:46:09.000 I love her.

02:46:09.000 Ronda is going to...

02:46:11.000 You know, she's going to defend her title against Kat Zingano. 1.00

02:46:14.000 And if she beats Kat Zingano... 1.00

02:46:17.000 Cyborg is scheduled to fight as a 135 pounder for the first time in December in Invicta.

02:46:24.000 Invicta is an all-female mixed martial arts league.

02:46:27.000 And Cyborg is the 145 pound champ.

02:46:30.000 She's dropping down to 135 for the first time.

02:46:32.000 It's a hard cut for her. 0.99

02:46:32.000 It's a fucking very hard cut. 0.99

02:46:34.000 But, like a lot of these people that maybe did some questionable things that made them get larger, maybe something, they lose weight, and then they become smaller, and, you know, maybe it'd be easier for now to drop that weight. 0.98

02:46:49.000 I mean, I don't know.

02:46:50.000 But it's certainly a very fucking compelling matchup, because Cyborg... 0.91

02:46:56.000 Well, there was a picture of her and her husband from behind. 0.96

02:47:00.000 And her back was about as wide as her husband's.

02:47:02.000 And her husband was a stud.

02:47:03.000 I mean, he was a wide, thick, strong guy.

02:47:05.000 She's a big gal. 1.00

02:47:06.000 Big, thick gal. 1.00

02:47:07.000 But, you know, if you do hardcore cardio, like marathon running and shit like that, your body will automatically... 0.97

02:47:13.000 Shed that kind of weight.

02:47:15.000 Atrophy the muscle.

02:47:17.000 You're going to start slimming down.

02:47:18.000 Just change your diet.

02:47:19.000 You can force yourself to lose weight.

02:47:21.000 I mean, you can only force yourself to lose a certain amount and still be athletically competitive.

02:47:26.000 But she's still doing strength and conditioning exercises. 0.98

02:47:28.000 She's still doing all sorts of things that build muscle. 1.00

02:47:31.000 And if she didn't, if she really wanted to drop down to 135 pounds, she would have to diminish her body mass. 1.00

02:47:36.000 Who that you know, fighter-wise, I was thinking about BJ Penn, but who do you know who's really fought in the most drastic weight categories?

02:47:46.000 BJ's the most.

02:47:47.000 BJ fought heavyweight and then fought featherweight.

02:47:50.000 How much did he weigh when he fought heavyweight?

02:47:52.000 He fought, he was probably 190-something.

02:47:55.000 Wow.

02:47:55.000 Maybe he was a little bit heavier than that, but when he fought Lyota Machida, Machida was over 205, so Machida was technically a heavyweight.

02:48:03.000 Crazy.

02:48:03.000 Yeah.

02:48:04.000 I don't know what Machida weighed, but... 1.00

02:48:05.000 He's not tall.

02:48:06.000 I mean, he's short and... 1.00

02:48:07.000 He's a fucking animal, though. 1.00

02:48:08.000 In his prime, he was a fucking animal. 1.00

02:48:11.000 But I think that he's probably the biggest example of a high-level guy that's fought. 0.99

02:48:18.000 Obviously, Machida went on to be the light heavyweight champion and is a contender right now in the middleweight division, and BJ just fought as a featherweight.

02:48:27.000 He's got the most drastic changes.

02:48:28.000 Was there any follow-up as to...

02:48:29.000 A lot of people were really surprised by when he was fighting Frank Edgar in this last fight.

02:48:34.000 His feet were so close together and he was on his toes.

02:48:37.000 It was very strange.

02:48:38.000 Yeah.

02:48:38.000 Was there...

02:48:40.000 Was that ever addressed by him or by anybody else?

02:48:43.000 Yeah, he said he was trying to conserve energy.

02:48:46.000 He decided that that was a stance that he was going to adopt because in keeping his legs wide and pushing off with his legs that it would require too much energy.

02:48:54.000 He's always had a problem with stamina.

02:48:56.000 That's been his problem.

02:48:58.000 He was ferocious in the first round of the second fight with Matt Hughes or the third fight?

02:49:03.000 Second fight? 0.93

02:49:03.000 Whatever fight he lost. 0.93

02:49:05.000 Second fight. 0.95

02:49:05.000 Third fight, he knocked Matt Hughes out. 0.95

02:49:07.000 He was ferocious in the first round and then ran out of gas in the second.

02:49:10.000 Matt Hughes started beating him down in the second round.

02:49:12.000 And it was because Matt Hughes was in better shape.

02:49:14.000 BJ, at his best, was when he was training with the Marinovichs. 0.99

02:49:17.000 Because Marinovichs were fucking animals when it came to strength and conditioning. 1.00

02:49:21.000 And they got him in unbelievable shape. 1.00

02:49:24.000 He was just shredded.

02:49:25.000 He had abs.

02:49:26.000 He's fighting at 155 pounds.

02:49:27.000 He was strong.

02:49:28.000 And when he beat Joe Stevenson, when he beat Diego Sanchez at 155 pounds, he was the best.

02:49:36.000 He was at his best.

02:49:37.000 And he was just in incredible shape. 0.97

02:49:39.000 He was a monster.

02:49:40.000 But it was conditioning. 0.96

02:49:42.000 Just, you know, lives a good life.

02:49:44.000 He lives in Hawaii.

02:49:44.000 He's got plenty of money.

02:49:45.000 He's a hero.

02:49:47.000 He goes to Hawaii everywhere.

02:49:48.000 He goes, BJ! BJ! He's awesome.

02:49:50.000 They love him.

02:49:51.000 It's very difficult for a guy that lives in silk sheets to get up and go to war every day. 1.00

02:49:57.000 That's the reality of life.

02:49:59.000 It's hard.

02:50:00.000 And a really loved guy who also is supremely physically talented.

02:50:05.000 People don't know that BJ, you know, that nickname, the prodigy, it came because he won the world championships after three years of training in jiu-jitsu.

02:50:14.000 But I've heard other fighters like Eva Edwards and those guys tell me that They'd never seen anybody pick up a technique that quickly. 0.93

02:50:21.000 So when you're an MMA fighter, picking up a technique, whatever it might be, you've got to drill it.

02:50:25.000 It takes a long time.

02:50:26.000 Sometimes it can take up to a year or four months, five months.

02:50:29.000 That dude could see it twice and it was part of his repertoire.

02:50:32.000 Well, I don't want to say he was a natural fighter, but that was something that he had a lot of passion for and he was very focused about it and it came pretty quickly to him.

02:50:42.000 But there's a lot of other guys that have slowly dropped weight.

02:50:45.000 McVitor fought as heavy as 240 at one point in his career.

02:50:50.000 When he fought Randy Couture, I think he was like 240-something. 0.94

02:50:53.000 Yeah, his neck was so ridiculous. 0.73

02:50:54.000 And now he's much thinner now, man. 0.98

02:50:56.000 Now that he's off the TRT, he's really looking thin.

02:51:01.000 There's been a lot of people...

02:51:03.000 They've always said his frame was like 180. I mean, if you look at his hands and feet, they're not big.

02:51:07.000 No.

02:51:07.000 Well, there's a lot of people that think he can make welterweight, especially now that he's off TRT. 170. Yeah.

02:51:14.000 There's videos of him working out.

02:51:15.000 There's a recent video on his Instagram, and it went on the underground.

02:51:19.000 People were looking at it, and they're like, seriously, I'm not bullshitting.

02:51:22.000 I think he could be a welterweight.

02:51:23.000 When you look at some welterweights, like, okay, here's a perfect example.

02:51:27.000 Carlos Condit.

02:51:28.000 He's a big boy, you know?

02:51:30.000 Look at some of the guys.

02:51:31.000 Like, okay, Tyron Woodley. 1.00

02:51:32.000 Tyron Woodley is a big fucking guy. 1.00

02:51:35.000 He's thick as shit. 1.00

02:51:37.000 And he manages to get down to 170. Vitor doesn't look that big. 0.99

02:51:40.000 Not now.

02:51:41.000 What is Carlos Condit way, you think, on the offseason?

02:51:44.000 He's probably bordering in the 90s, like gets around 190, close to it.

02:51:48.000 15 pounds, 20 pounds over the weight limit.

02:51:50.000 Handsome kid, too.

02:51:52.000 Good looking guy.

02:51:52.000 Yeah.

02:51:53.000 He's recovering from knee surgery.

02:51:55.000 Tore his ACL against Woodley.

02:51:57.000 He's so damn good.

02:51:57.000 Carlos Condit is just so good.

02:52:00.000 Yeah.

02:52:00.000 And talk about conditioning.

02:52:01.000 That dude will fight a five-round fighter.

02:52:03.000 I don't know if he had to fight a five-rounder.

02:52:05.000 Yes, he fought GSP as a five-round fight.

02:52:08.000 Yeah, and he just is going practically at the same pace.

02:52:12.000 Well, we were watching Rory McDonald knocked out Tarek Safedine this week, and we were watching the highlights of it.

02:52:18.000 My friend Robin Black, who also has been on the podcast, did a breakdown of it.

02:52:22.000 And he did an awesome breakdown of it and really highlighted some of the things that Rory did really well in that fight and things that Safedine did to try to throw Rory off that didn't work. 0.90

02:52:34.000 But Rory McDonald is another one at 170 that's fucking terrifying.

02:52:38.000 And interesting, interesting guy, man. 0.87

02:52:40.000 You know, was training with GSP for a long time, and then as they got further along in their career, it started getting the talk about, like, these guys might eventually fight.

02:52:49.000 Now that GSP's retired, and he's, like, one of the number one contenders now.

02:52:53.000 He's...

02:52:53.000 That was one of the most impressive things I've ever seen.

02:52:56.000 His ability to stand there with Safedine and beat him in his own game.

02:53:00.000 Beautiful.

02:53:01.000 It's just incredible.

02:53:02.000 I mean, you look at what Safedine, when Safedine fought Nate Marquardt, how well he did against Marquardt, and then see Rory pick him apart like that.

02:53:09.000 It's incredible.

02:53:10.000 Check the leg kicks, stay on the outside.

02:53:13.000 And delivering his own leg kicks.

02:53:15.000 Yeah.

02:53:16.000 Amazing.

02:53:17.000 And that jab and that, oh, just the way he knocked him down.

02:53:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:53:21.000 We're always a motherfucker. 0.99

02:53:22.000 It's such an exciting sport. 0.99

02:53:24.000 But another thing we were talking about in camp, it was really interesting, we were talking about the reality of these guys damaging themselves.

02:53:33.000 You know, Brian and I were at the airport yesterday in Seattle, and we were watching a football game.

02:53:38.000 And we don't particularly watch football that often, so we were watching it.

02:53:41.000 All I could see was these guys' heads colliding.

02:53:46.000 Those helmets colliding with each other.

02:53:48.000 And all I could think about was that recent NFL study that showed that 76% of deceased NFL players, 76 out of 79, had brain injuries.

02:53:57.000 Like, significant brain.

02:53:58.000 76 out of 79 brains they studied had significant brain injury.

02:54:01.000 Significant brain damage.

02:54:03.000 Well, then you're starting to see it.

02:54:04.000 You see Tony Dorsett, and you see these guys trying to talk.

02:54:09.000 Joe Montana.

02:54:09.000 Really?

02:54:09.000 Yeah, he's having issues with his memory.

02:54:13.000 What's the fucking guy? 0.99

02:54:15.000 Yeah, Brett Favre is having real issues, right? 1.00

02:54:18.000 Well, Brett Favre never took a day off.

02:54:19.000 I mean, Brett Favre had the longest run.

02:54:21.000 I mean, he was the Iron Man.

02:54:23.000 I mean, he was fighting...

02:54:25.000 Yeah.

02:54:39.000 Who's the guy from the Chicago Bears from the 80s?

02:54:43.000 Oh, Jim McMahon.

02:54:44.000 Jim McMahon's got some serious issues now.

02:54:47.000 And he talks about how sometimes he'll be in his house and have no idea what he was about to do or where he's going.

02:54:52.000 He just doesn't know what he's doing.

02:54:54.000 He's just standing there like, what am I doing?

02:54:55.000 Jesus.

02:54:56.000 Yeah, and he was on a sports radio show and he was talking about it in depth.

02:55:00.000 It was a cover of Sports Illustrated.

02:55:01.000 Him and his issues.

02:55:03.000 It soured me to the game, I'll be honest with you.

02:55:05.000 I used to watch football all the time, and the more I learn, I'm like, I don't really want to watch, I don't know.

02:55:09.000 But what about MMA? Because, look, let's be realistic.

02:55:14.000 I feel like it's not as...

02:55:15.000 I feel like, and it's changing because of training, but I feel like the head trauma isn't as sustained...

02:55:20.000 It isn't like football or boxing.

02:55:22.000 Am I wrong?

02:55:23.000 Yes.

02:55:23.000 Okay.

02:55:24.000 Yeah, no, it's...

02:55:25.000 Especially because so much emphasis is on stand-up these days.

02:55:28.000 Yeah.

02:55:28.000 I mean, it used to be...

02:55:30.000 There was a recent interview with...

02:55:33.000 Dan Hardy.

02:55:34.000 And Dan Hardy was talking about, you know, Dan had a heart condition.

02:55:39.000 Not a real heart condition.

02:55:40.000 It's a very controversial situation where he's very fit and healthy, but he has like an extra heartbeat, something wolf condition.

02:55:47.000 I forget what it's called.

02:55:48.000 But he was talking about how when he was fighting, it was a lot of wrestlers that were dominating the 170-pound division, and now there's a lot of kickboxers.

02:55:56.000 Now you've got Rory McDonald.

02:55:57.000 Now you've got, you know, Robbie Lawler.

02:55:59.000 You've got a lot of strikers.

02:56:00.000 A lot of stand-up strikers. 1.00

02:56:01.000 Just hitting you with fucking bombs. 0.98

02:56:03.000 Well, guys who can wrestle and they can do all those things, but a lot of kickboxing techniques are starting to dominate these contests. 1.00

02:56:10.000 And when you're training a lot of kickboxing, you've got a lot of head injuries.

02:56:14.000 There's a lot of head trauma that's going on both in training and in fights.

02:56:18.000 It's always changing, too.

02:56:19.000 I mean, I've never seen the block that Rory McDonald was using.

02:56:22.000 That high elbow block?

02:56:22.000 Never seen that.

02:56:23.000 Very smart.

02:56:24.000 Well, it's very smart to avoid strikes to the head, especially if you know that a guy is throwing head punches.

02:56:31.000 And a lot of these guys, they're not throwing the type of really long-form combinations that you'll see high-level Muay Thai or high-level Dutch kickboxers throw.

02:56:41.000 They're throwing one or two techniques.

02:56:43.000 And a lot of it's because you're worried about takedowns.

02:56:45.000 What we're seeing is just an evolution of the game.

02:56:48.000 We're seeing the sport evolve.

02:56:50.000 I love it.

02:56:51.000 I mean, I'm a huge fan, but it concerns me.

02:56:53.000 Brain damage is a very, very real thing, and there's no turning back.

02:56:59.000 That's what bugs me the most.

02:57:00.000 Could you put on bigger gloves?

02:57:05.000 No, that's not going to help.

02:57:06.000 That might even hurt, actually.

02:57:07.000 The solution might actually be no gloves.

02:57:10.000 That might be a better solution when it comes to head trauma because you can't hit as hard without breaking your hands.

02:57:14.000 You have to be much more selective in your punch placement.

02:57:17.000 You go out faster in a weird way, too, right?

02:57:19.000 Well, I don't know about that.

02:57:21.000 I think you probably go out harder and faster with the UFC gloves because they pad your knuckles so you can punch harder.

02:57:27.000 And also, you're supporting the wrist.

02:57:29.000 You're taping the wrist down.

02:57:30.000 I think, realistically, you shouldn't be able to tape your wrists.

02:57:34.000 You shouldn't be able to tape your hands.

02:57:36.000 And I think that would probably be one of the best ways to protect against head trauma.

02:57:40.000 Still, though, it's like, you know, you know as well as I do.

02:57:42.000 You put on headgear and you get hit.

02:57:44.000 Somebody's wearing boxing gloves.

02:57:45.000 You're sparring, you get hit.

02:57:46.000 You got headgear.

02:57:47.000 I wear a bar. 1.00

02:57:47.000 They call me a pussy. 1.00

02:57:48.000 I got a bar. 1.00

02:57:49.000 I get hit just in the top of the head.

02:57:51.000 I got a headache.

02:57:52.000 Why?

02:57:52.000 Because my head got jammed back and my brain was, you know.

02:57:56.000 Yeah, and I was like, what am I doing?

02:57:57.000 Even Brennan Schaub was like, what are you doing?

02:58:00.000 You want to do this?

02:58:01.000 You're not a fighter.

02:58:02.000 You're an actor.

02:58:02.000 Why are you sparring?

02:58:03.000 I was like, I don't know. 1.00

02:58:04.000 Because you're an idiot. 1.00

02:58:05.000 I'm an idiot. 1.00

02:58:06.000 I want to just do this. 0.99

02:58:07.000 He's like, literally, when an MMA fighter and he's your friend comes up and goes, what are you doing?

02:58:12.000 You don't need to do this.

02:58:13.000 Maybe you should stop.

02:58:14.000 Oh, you mean I'm 47?

02:58:16.000 Yeah, okay. 1.00

02:58:17.000 Well, you should go see Brian Callen and see this idiot in action. 0.98

02:58:21.000 See, at his best, October 16, 17, and 18 at the Atlanta Improv. 0.99

02:58:29.000 Can't wait.

02:58:30.000 Yeah, it would be awesome.

02:58:31.000 Do you know who's working with you?

02:58:32.000 Leo Flowers, a really funny comic coming down to feature for me, and I'm excited.

02:58:38.000 Just go to bryancallen.com.

02:58:42.000 bryancallen.com.

02:58:47.000 I'm at the Tower Theater in Philadelphia October 17th with Ian Edwards and I'm at the Warner Theater October 18th with Ian Edwards in Washington, D.C. That's it.

02:58:59.000 Lots of podcasts this week.

02:59:01.000 I got Honey Honey Anthony Cumia is going to be here, and Keith Weber as well, the guy from the Kettlebell Cardio Workout that I talk about so much that I love.

02:59:10.000 He'll be here.

02:59:11.000 So, until then, enjoy your lives, my friends, and it's great to be back at Civilization.

02:59:16.000 Big kiss.

02:59:17.000 See you soon.

02:59:18.000 Peace!

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 07, 2014

Joe Rogan Experience #557 - Bryan Callen

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