The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #601 - Katy Bowman

00:00:17.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.

00:00:26.000 Katie Bowman, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:29.000 Move your DNA. You can find her on Twitter, Aligned and Well.

00:00:33.000 She's friends with Rob Wolf, so she must be cool.

00:00:36.000 And you're here.

00:00:37.000 What's up?

00:00:38.000 How are you?

00:00:38.000 I'm doing well.

00:00:39.000 How are you?

00:00:39.000 Good.

00:00:39.000 I didn't want to talk to you too much before the show because we were talking about something that I'm very interested in, about how you live in Washington State.

00:00:45.000 You found some clever area where it's in Washington, but it's not rainy every day.

00:00:51.000 You actually get sun.

00:00:53.000 That's true.

00:00:54.000 How'd you do that?

00:00:55.000 You know, I followed my family there.

00:00:55.000 Magic.

00:00:59.000 Someone else found the magic.

00:01:00.000 And, like, how it always happens, I decided to go up there, too.

00:01:04.000 And you can see, like, Vancouver and Vancouver Island right from where you're at?

00:01:09.000 Yeah, I could row a boat to Canada if I had to. 1.00

00:01:11.000 If the shit hit the fan? 1.00

00:01:13.000 If the shit hit the fan, I got my out. 1.00

00:01:15.000 Well, that's what you started talking about. 1.00

00:01:17.000 You started talking about, like, living off the wild.

00:01:19.000 Is that something that you're really concerned with?

00:01:22.000 Like, are you a prepper?

00:01:25.000 I'm not really concerned with it, but it kind of goes hand in hand with what I teach about natural movement.

00:01:31.000 I'm trying to put back these isolated pieces of how you eat and how you move and how you think and where you spend your time and even where you spend your money of going, well, if we all just kind of go spend a little bit more time out in nature, but I mean more than the park.

00:01:47.000 I really mean wild.

00:01:49.000 You can see how it's been done for a long period of time.

00:01:53.000 Trying to figure out how to get more movement goes naturally with trying to figure out how to acquire your own food.

00:01:59.000 So I thought, well, I'm a parent of two little kids.

00:02:02.000 I have a limited amount of time.

00:02:03.000 So what if our food acquisition is our movement, is our teaching our kids, is our family time, is everything, and it's the same hunk of time, and we're just out there in the wild.

00:02:16.000 I love it.

00:02:17.000 You're in an area that's particularly dense with wilderness, with trees, with animals, and that whole area, the Pacific Northwest, it's such a...

00:02:27.000 We were talking about how you come to California and everything's so dry.

00:02:31.000 It's almost like, where's the life? 0.96

00:02:33.000 But if you go up there, there's so much life, it's ridiculous.

00:02:36.000 I went up there with my friend Duncan.

00:02:38.000 We were hunting for Bigfoot for a TV show.

00:02:42.000 And we went wandering through the woods.

00:02:44.000 But the thing that you...

00:02:45.000 Oops.

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00:02:48.000 Sound wasn't working up until then?

00:02:50.000 We got an issue with Ustream.

00:02:52.000 We have a totally new setup.

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00:02:55.000 So you look lovely in HD. We just got this new computer and this whole jazz.

00:03:03.000 Maybe we should just run the show for like a minute before we go live.

00:03:07.000 That's what we'll do next time.

00:03:09.000 But anyway, when we went up there, like when you're wandering around through the forest up there, the thing that is so shocking is how many animals there are and how much life there is.

00:03:18.000 You see elk crap everywhere and all these birds and rodents and just so many So much variety of life up there.

00:03:27.000 And that's the big stuff you can see. 0.71

00:03:28.000 Underneath every footprint, there's like one or two hundred organisms living in every footprint that you take there because it's just so deep.

00:03:37.000 And it's just dense.

00:03:39.000 It's the densest placed on the planet.

00:03:41.000 It is dense of plant and animal stuffs.

00:03:47.000 Yeah, and you don't have to worry about drought up there.

00:03:49.000 No.

00:03:50.000 Well, not this millennia.

00:03:52.000 Not like we do here, you know, in California.

00:03:54.000 We need 11 trillion gallons of water just to balance out what's been lost over the last three years.

00:03:59.000 Yeah, and even more, I guess, alarming to me is less the total water, but the amount of organization amongst people it takes to get it here.

00:04:11.000 That's always what I was worried about failing here.

00:04:14.000 Yeah, the water supply, food supply.

00:04:17.000 The infrastructure.

00:04:19.000 The infrastructure, the delivery system, because none of it is actually here.

00:04:23.000 Like, I'm just thinking of something like a power outage where so much of your water is dependent on it being cleaned and all of that is...

00:04:31.000 Depends on energy that requires a bunch of people like my in-laws who live here in California their house has been without power for like two weeks and they live in an area of Orange County and they had to bring a generator they brought a generator into a neighborhood because they're like well it's we gotta dig for it and frankly we don't have the manpower right now and like when I start here and stuff like that that's when I flee to the Pacific Northwest.

00:04:55.000 So there's an issue with their lines, the power lines are down or something like that, and so they have to dig for the lines to put them back up?

00:05:02.000 So they're living like they're camping for two weeks.

00:05:02.000 Yeah.

00:05:04.000 Yeah, camping in a very affluent area in Orange County.

00:05:09.000 I mean, this is like, you know, a nice neighborhood, a really nice neighborhood.

00:05:14.000 Now, where you live, do you have neighbors?

00:05:17.000 I do.

00:05:17.000 I mean, I have two and a half acres, but there are some neighbors, you know, but it's not...

00:05:26.000 Within the whole town the whole town's pretty small and you can get to a place to see nobody You know within 10 minutes Which I like.

00:05:35.000 Yeah, that is nice if you want to get to nobody in 10 minutes But I find that like when you're in small towns and small areas the real issue is finding a cool small town Yeah with a good sensibility a nice intelligent small town because you can find some small towns like if you drive a From Southern California up to Northern California,

00:05:55.000 you can drive through some spots where you have these giant Mitt Romney signs that are still up.

00:06:00.000 And there's the, you know, like, weird religious signs and these strange, really sketchy communities. 0.99

00:06:06.000 You're like, ooh, you know, boy, you got a pretty view, but fuck these neighbors. 0.99

00:06:10.000 Yeah, it's a retirement community. 0.99

00:06:12.000 Where you are?

00:06:14.000 Where I am.

00:06:14.000 It's a retirement community because it used to be a logging town.

00:06:20.000 So it's got this waterway there.

00:06:21.000 It's next to some ports.

00:06:22.000 And so they've been moving wood there and milling it up.

00:06:25.000 And there's some paper mills.

00:06:26.000 But a lot of that business has shut down as people are buying stuff from overseas.

00:06:30.000 And then, of course, as the wood is not being able to be replenished as fast as they've been taking it down.

00:06:36.000 So I think in Sunset Magazine, somebody wrote an article about this town that you could buy a few acres and that it was in this What they call a rain shadow.

00:06:48.000 So it's in the banana belt.

00:06:49.000 It's sunny almost every single day.

00:06:51.000 Totally different than any other place in Oregon or Washington.

00:06:55.000 And you could buy an acre for, I don't know if it was like $60,000 or $70,000.

00:06:59.000 So a whole bunch of people went out there.

00:07:02.000 There's no work or anything, but they bought their homes and they built them up, but they're all kind of dying now.

00:07:09.000 The people.

00:07:09.000 The people who originally were there.

00:07:11.000 So it's not that ideal, small, kind of funky, ideal town yet, but I decided, well, I can make that happen.

00:07:20.000 You are going to make it happen.

00:07:21.000 Sure, I can do that.

00:07:22.000 You're going to pull people in.

00:07:23.000 I'm not really about waiting around for the ideal to happen.

00:07:26.000 I'll just build it from the ground up.

00:07:28.000 Go, Katie. 0.98

00:07:28.000 I like it. 0.98

00:07:29.000 There you go.

00:07:30.000 And so this area that you're at, do you take your kids out fishing?

00:07:34.000 Do you take them out gathering food and all that jazz?

00:07:37.000 Yeah, so it's a huge reservation land where we are.

00:07:41.000 So the salmon is unreal.

00:07:43.000 I live on the Dungeness River, so all the crab that you hear from Dungeness, that's where it comes from.

00:07:50.000 So the First Nation peoples that lived there, the food was so abundant.

00:07:55.000 All the things like...

00:07:58.000 Totem poles and big dugout canoes that you see, that came about because they didn't have to really worry about food.

00:08:04.000 It's like, let's just have elk today.

00:08:05.000 Let's just sit here until one walks by.

00:08:07.000 Wait until a bear just walks by.

00:08:09.000 You know, the berries and the fruit and the wild greens.

00:08:13.000 And then again, the fish, you could, you know, depending on the time of year, just grab one out of the water.

00:08:19.000 You know, if they're spawning, it's just not hard to eat there.

00:08:21.000 So I thought, what a great place.

00:08:23.000 There's so many elk up there.

00:08:24.000 I took a photograph of an elk standing in front of a no hunting sign.

00:08:29.000 Because it was like right when we were driving, these elk were just wandering across the road and they were just standing in front of this no hunting sign.

00:08:37.000 I'm like, this is ridiculous.

00:08:38.000 That was the first elk I'd ever seen in a while too. 0.88

00:08:40.000 Those things are huge.

00:08:41.000 They're huge.

00:08:42.000 Yeah, like have you ever hit one with your car?

00:08:44.000 I have not, no.

00:08:45.000 Come close?

00:08:46.000 I've been waiting, waiting for that to happen.

00:08:47.000 They don't seem that bright.

00:08:50.000 They seem smarter than a lot of people, I know.

00:08:54.000 Maybe that shows the area that you're living.

00:08:56.000 That's true.

00:08:57.000 They're cautious.

00:08:57.000 That's true.

00:08:58.000 They are.

00:08:59.000 They're fleeting.

00:09:00.000 There's a little herd of them that lives in our town.

00:09:02.000 They're the mascot of this little town.

00:09:05.000 And so there's a herd and they've got collars around their neck and we've got elk flashing lights.

00:09:11.000 Collars? 1.00

00:09:12.000 They're collars because they just kind of, maybe they are dumb. 0.99

00:09:14.000 Maybe they just kind of stumble across the freeway every now and then. 0.60

00:09:17.000 So they flash up when they're close to the highway on either side as they're moving back and forth from the ocean.

00:09:23.000 So the callers are like GPS callers?

00:09:25.000 A caller that the local government has fitted them with so that they can kind of track where they're going to be and light the sign up.

00:09:32.000 When the caller comes close to these signs, you know that's where the elk are.

00:09:36.000 So you can sometimes look up and see the whole herd sitting in the pasture or maybe walking across the freeway.

00:09:42.000 That seems weird.

00:09:44.000 You know, I feel like I kind of like the idea that, you know...

00:09:48.000 They know where they are, but to put a collar on them and be able to track them, it seems like that's not wild anymore.

00:09:53.000 Then you're just roaming pets.

00:09:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:54.000 Maybe, well, they're mascots.

00:09:56.000 They're wildish roaming mascots.

00:09:58.000 Wildish.

00:09:59.000 Are you allowed to eat them?

00:09:59.000 Wildish.

00:10:00.000 No.

00:10:01.000 No?

00:10:02.000 I mean, allowed by whom?

00:10:03.000 Well, like hunting laws.

00:10:03.000 No.

00:10:04.000 No, no.

00:10:05.000 I don't know if all of them are collared.

00:10:08.000 I think maybe just a couple of the males are.

00:10:09.000 So then, no, you wouldn't be allowed.

00:10:11.000 So when they're collared, you can't eat them?

00:10:13.000 Well, you can't shoot them.

00:10:15.000 Hmm.

00:10:16.000 I don't know.

00:10:16.000 They're not really in hunting areas.

00:10:18.000 They're in the neighborhoods. 1.00

00:10:20.000 Maybe they're dumb. 1.00

00:10:21.000 Maybe they're totally dumb. 1.00

00:10:22.000 Well, you'd be amazed at some areas that you can hunt in. 1.00

00:10:25.000 There's an area called Evergreen, Colorado, and one of the issues that they have is the local laws allow you to essentially hunt in your backyard.

00:10:34.000 If you have more than X amount of land, it's not much.

00:10:37.000 It's like two acres or something like that.

00:10:39.000 Wow.

00:10:39.000 I might be butchering this law, but I remember there was some sort of an issue online with people debating it because people were firing off guns in their backyard, like shooting at elk and deer.

00:10:51.000 And they're like, this is kind of fucked up. 0.98

00:10:53.000 We're not really in the woods, man. 0.99

00:10:55.000 My swing set is 100 yards to the right.

00:11:00.000 So, but they have so many animals up there.

00:11:02.000 It's such a rich abundance of animals and the people that rely on them for a large part of their food, you know, moderate income or lower income families.

00:11:10.000 If they get an elk, like, boy, that is a year's worth of meat.

00:11:14.000 Like, you've got to...

00:11:15.000 1300 pound animal, you're gonna get 400 plus pounds of meat from that. 0.90

00:11:20.000 That's 400 meals.

00:11:22.000 You know, so for a lot of people, that is literally a year's worth of meat for your family. 1.00

00:11:27.000 So, they'll just shoot that fucker right in the backyard. 1.00

00:11:31.000 Be damned all the swing sets. 1.00

00:11:32.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:11:33.000 Everybody's just gotta duck for a couple minutes.

00:11:35.000 That's right.

00:11:36.000 Come on over, I'll give you a ham.

00:11:38.000 I'll trade ya.

00:11:39.000 The salmon fishing up there must be amazing.

00:11:42.000 Amazing.

00:11:43.000 I actually went, we were just going down, you know, there was a dam up there for a really long time, like a hundred years that they've just taken down.

00:11:43.000 Amazing.

00:11:50.000 You can actually watch the deconstruction of this dam over a couple years.

00:11:54.000 And we were walking around at the bottom of what has been, you know, this dammed up body of water.

00:12:02.000 And some friends of ours who are biologists took us upstream because they're doing a lot of salmon restoration.

00:12:08.000 You know, they're trying to get everything.

00:12:10.000 Back to what it was a couple hundred years ago because it's very different because of this dam.

00:12:16.000 And he just, our friend Keith, he just reached down and he picked up the salmon like right out of the water.

00:12:21.000 This huge thing.

00:12:23.000 I mean, the thing was, I don't know, a foot and a half more.

00:12:26.000 It was 15 pounds and he just picked it right up and he was like, here's where the eggs are.

00:12:30.000 And then he, then it turned out to be a male and he just grabbed it and he just No, because they're spawning.

00:12:49.000 Oh, so when they're spawning, they just rub up against anything?

00:12:52.000 Well, they're just, when they're spawning, you know, they're trying to get to kind of shallow water, so a lot of them are just kind of, you know, they have to make it up through the river, even as the river changes in terms of volume, so where it's a little low, they just kind of walk up.

00:13:05.000 Wow.

00:13:06.000 They kind of take themselves out of the water.

00:13:07.000 They're amazing.

00:13:08.000 Which is how bears get them, right?

00:13:10.000 Well, I mean, I've seen bears pull them out on TV, like, in deeper waters because they're jumping.

00:13:15.000 These ones are actually on the ground, but they're just...

00:13:19.000 Sort of wiggling.

00:13:20.000 They're wiggling, yeah.

00:13:21.000 He said the females would be way more scratched up. 1.00

00:13:23.000 You can tell during spawning season, a male versus a female, because the female is just really desperately trying to get her eggs to some place, and I guess the male will just drop his load kind of wherever.

00:13:35.000 He's less intense about it.

00:13:36.000 What a goofy design by nature, huh?

00:13:38.000 I know.

00:13:39.000 Yeah, or just amazing.

00:13:41.000 And what I find interesting is, so salmon that they're raising in, whatever they call it, like in the fisheries, you know, in the hatcheries, they identify them because they remove what they will call like a vestigular fin.

00:13:56.000 I think it's called an adipose fin.

00:13:59.000 So that they can recognize which ones are wild and which ones are introduced.

00:14:04.000 And I was talking to some biologists and Part of a lot of stuff that I do is kind of redefining what's actually vestidular and what's just, we don't know what it is, so it must, you know, not be necessary anymore.

00:14:16.000 And he said, well, it's interesting because he was explaining it's kind of like the appendix of the fish.

00:14:22.000 It's not really necessary.

00:14:23.000 And I was like, well, it turns out that our appendix isn't really as vestidular as it was once thought.

00:14:27.000 You know, it's a little bit more necessary.

00:14:29.000 It is, yeah.

00:14:29.000 Is it really?

00:14:30.000 It's not...

00:14:31.000 It has a role.

00:14:32.000 Whether that role is challenged by modern living...

00:14:36.000 That's really more what the issue is.

00:14:39.000 It still is harboring, I can't remember exactly what it is.

00:14:44.000 It's harboring some sort of bacteria depending on I'm going to have to look it up a little bit more.

00:14:53.000 But he said it's interesting that you say that because they're wondering why these fish don't do really, really well.

00:15:00.000 So perhaps it's because they're removing the fin.

00:15:03.000 And as I did a little bit more research on that fin, that fin in particular deals with assisting swimming through very particular types of turbulence.

00:15:11.000 And so it's not something that you use 100% of the time, but it's used over the lifetime of a salmon.

00:15:18.000 Can't they just put a tag on that thing instead of cutting it off?

00:15:22.000 Maybe too much drag?

00:15:22.000 I don't know.

00:15:23.000 I don't know.

00:15:25.000 Tattoo them?

00:15:26.000 I don't know.

00:15:26.000 No?

00:15:27.000 There's so many problems to solve in so little time. 1.00

00:15:29.000 Well, so many problems to solve when you're people and you want to fuck with animals. 1.00

00:15:33.000 You want to cut their fins off and put collars on their elk. 1.00

00:15:33.000 That's true. 1.00

00:15:35.000 That's true.

00:15:37.000 This area that you live in sounds idyllic.

00:15:39.000 It sounds beautiful.

00:15:40.000 It is.

00:15:42.000 And does this have anything to do with what you do for a living?

00:15:45.000 Does it have anything to do with, like, you're all about movement and alignment and, like...

00:15:52.000 I'm all about natural movement.

00:15:54.000 And alignment being a component of that.

00:15:57.000 But I would say that the reason we moved up there is we were just unable to execute our life the way that we wanted here.

00:16:05.000 There's a physical blockage to moving in the way that we need to move.

00:16:11.000 And I was like, well, the only way to remove that blockage is to take ourselves away from the environment that's limiting this way of moving, which is larger than it sounds.

00:16:22.000 It's not like, you know, make sure you get these seven It's very broad and it has to do with the loads that your body experiences and that goes for light and noise and all the different ways your cells are deformed by your habitat.

00:16:40.000 When I talk about movement, I really liken the way that we move to be similar to Animals that are in zoos.

00:16:48.000 Like if you ever go to a zoo and check out that kind of unfortunate thing, you'll see these animals and they have movement.

00:16:55.000 You know, they have cages or habitats designed for them, but the way that they use them is pretty narrow and it goes for us as well.

00:17:04.000 So that's why the move.

00:17:05.000 I just wanted less people, more space, less rules, less noise, more water.

00:17:12.000 Yeah, and when you say like we're being deformed like in what way?

00:17:18.000 Well in the book the analogy that I use because I think it's easiest to understand is if you look at Orcas in a place like SeaWorld, have you seen their folded over fin?

00:17:29.000 That's the kind of deformation that I'm talking about.

00:17:31.000 I'm talking about like you are shaped really by the forces that you experience all the time.

00:17:37.000 Your mechanical environment is 100% of the time and so the resultant shape of your body Is based on this exposure in the same way that this orca was missing input.

00:17:50.000 It was missing mechanical input and it was exposed to high levels of mechanical input that, you know, gets this resultant shape.

00:17:59.000 You know, and the difference between with the orca is when you look at an orca, it's like clearly it's not supposed to be at SeaWorld and clearly that shape doesn't seem conducive to swimming.

00:18:08.000 You know, at least in a straight line.

00:18:10.000 So we don't see that in ourselves very well, though, because we are the orca in the tank, and everyone else is in the tank with us.

00:18:18.000 So it's really hard to see how you would have been shaped, and it's really hard to imagine what the resultant shape of us would be culturally if there were more examples of people who moved in drastically different ways, which there are not.

00:18:33.000 Well, I know posture is a big issue with Americans.

00:18:36.000 It's a big issue with anybody in all parts of the world that have to sit at desks all the time.

00:18:41.000 You know that expression, sitting is the new smoking.

00:18:44.000 We've tried really hard in this place to change that up.

00:18:47.000 We've got these desks or these chairs from Ergo Depot.

00:18:50.000 These are called Capiscos.

00:18:51.000 I had a couple different ones before.

00:18:53.000 I started off with regular chairs like that.

00:18:56.000 But by the end of the podcast, my back...

00:18:58.000 I've had some back issues with...

00:19:00.000 Jujitsu.

00:19:01.000 I had a bulging disc at one point in my cervical spine.

00:19:04.000 And that's all healed up now.

00:19:06.000 But if I sit in something like that and I kind of have that hunch thing that you get from a chair, by the end of the show, I just get stiff in my back.

00:19:14.000 But with these things, nothing.

00:19:16.000 So something that forces you to sit erect, you realize how few of us actually do that and how many people are like, Have that weird hunch spine thing going on which constantly puts pressure on your spine and I never thought anything of that until I started doing this fucking podcast and I'm like sitting down all the time all day and it just it really puts into perspective how many people are doing it not like me for three hours a day they're doing eight nine ten hours a day even more staring at computers all day

00:19:46.000 everyone's going blind early right you know I'm done my my vision sucks it used to be really good but now I need I need reading glasses to read stuff that's close up.

00:19:56.000 And I know it has something to do with age, but it definitely has something to do with staring at monitors, too.

00:20:00.000 It's just not good for you.

00:20:01.000 No, and it's the distance.

00:20:02.000 You know, I try to talk about casts.

00:20:05.000 You know, casts, when you break your arm, those are really easy to see.

00:20:09.000 There's like a physical structure that you can't move your arm.

00:20:12.000 It's really harder to see these invisible casts.

00:20:15.000 So the distance of something from your eye is a cast upon the lens.

00:20:21.000 So when you look at something, what allows you to focus on that is the distance that you're looking at, your mind, your musculature of the eye will change the shape of your lens so that that distance is what you're looking at.

00:20:35.000 When you want to see something farther, You look up and you look at it and then these muscles, these ciliary muscles in the eye will change the lens shape of the eye and allow you to focus that to that distance.

00:20:46.000 But humans, modern humans in the places where we live, very rarely look beyond 20 feet.

00:20:55.000 I mean, you're not looking at anything.

00:20:57.000 I mean, so like you can say that it's the screen because the screen is two feet away and there's certainly a much greater frequency of screen use.

00:21:05.000 Like by the time you look at your iPod or your iPhone and you're looking at your computer and doing whatever work that's on that, that number has gone up.

00:21:13.000 But what's always been high is that you don't see much beyond the walls of your house.

00:21:19.000 So that's another reason you don't have the ability to look very far.

00:21:24.000 Indoors does not allow you to look very far. 0.98

00:21:26.000 And so right now with that vision, with kind of understanding, like, why is myopia, which is that nearsightedness, coming up with such great frequency?

00:21:33.000 There used to be one kid in school with glasses, right?

00:21:37.000 And now there are You have one third of the classroom who can't see at ages six and seven.

00:21:44.000 Kids are starting now to be put in glasses like in four and five years old because they've been looking.

00:21:49.000 They don't even have outdoor playtime.

00:21:50.000 You know, they're not even going outside.

00:21:52.000 And so they know that outdoor time Is a factor in those that have less myopia.

00:22:01.000 So then they're trying to test it.

00:22:02.000 Like, is it the near work?

00:22:04.000 And I wrote a piece about this that there's a difference between going outside.

00:22:09.000 So they're like, is it the vitamin D? Is it the light exposure?

00:22:11.000 But they were able to figure out by isolation that it wasn't that.

00:22:15.000 And so then my contribution is, well, what about distance looking?

00:22:19.000 That distance looking itself is a different variable in something that you don't, it's not a load to the eye that we're very experienced with.

00:22:27.000 But if you had to, again, go out and get your food and you were moving around, it's not just that you're outside more, it's that you need to be able to see things kind of far away.

00:22:36.000 If you've ever gone hunting, hunting is, especially if you're doing like spot and stalk type hunting, being able to look at long distances and seeing and spotting animals, you know, before you make your way over there, that's a skill.

00:22:48.000 To be able to look 30 or 40 or 60 feet to the top of a tree to kind of see what's up in there.

00:22:54.000 It's a part of your workout that you're missing, so to speak.

00:22:58.000 You're not cross-training your eyes with enough types of exercise.

00:23:01.000 You do two feet and you do however far your television is and then maybe the bumper of the car in front of you.

00:23:08.000 I mean, we're not distance lookers at all anymore.

00:23:10.000 So have ophthalmologists and optometrists, have they sort of just accepted the fact that people, their eyes are just going to go bad because this is the environment we live in, so this is just an inevitable fact of aging.

00:23:20.000 And is that something that can be avoided by like spending a lot of time outdoors, looking at long distance stuff and looking at things that are 100 yards away, 500 yards away and focusing your vision on those things?

00:23:31.000 Yeah, well I don't think that they want you to accept it.

00:23:33.000 I mean it's not an inevitable thing, that's why they're working on the literature for it.

00:23:38.000 Actual researchers in eyes are trying to find like what it is.

00:23:42.000 Do we need more supplementation?

00:23:44.000 But clearly they're like kids really do need to be outside a lot more because the shape of your the size of your eye is changing and so when the eye freezes or is cast by something near and then your eye starts growing but the lens has to stay the same size then you have this mismatch between the size of your eye and the lens and so that's why this childhood Myopia kind of starts moving with you into adulthood and you become an adult that needs glasses.

00:24:10.000 So yes, they are calling for that intervention.

00:24:14.000 And then there's a lot of eye exercise programs, you know, people trying to create some sort of Corrective.

00:24:21.000 My recommendation is you got to get yourself near a window if you're an office worker and you have to just take an eye break.

00:24:26.000 You need to look as far away as possible just to, it's like if you did a bunch of curls, bicep curls, and you never ever put your arm down.

00:24:34.000 It's like you did them all and then when you were done, you tied it up there.

00:24:37.000 You can imagine what the shape of the bicep would look like and the function of the elbow and the shoulder and how eventually That bicep would not just pull your lower arm up to your upper arm, but would start to pull your shoulder in towards your upper arm.

00:24:51.000 Same thing goes with the eyes.

00:24:53.000 First, the muscles that move the shape of the lens do that, but then the tighter they are, the more they begin to pull the whole structure of the eyeball down itself.

00:25:03.000 And then you're starting to look at, well, how does that affect the pressure of the eye?

00:25:06.000 And so many things that occur in the body are Mechanically sensitive.

00:25:14.000 You know, all your pressures are dependent on all your pressures everywhere else.

00:25:17.000 And when you start deforming the shape of structures, it does start affecting those functions that are position dependent, which is almost all of them.

00:25:26.000 Sort of like when people wear a wallet in their pocket and they get bulging discs.

00:25:30.000 That's a really common thing with folks.

00:25:32.000 If you don't know, if you have a wallet and you put it in your back pocket, please stop doing it.

00:25:37.000 I recently, I used to get mocked because I had a wallet chain because I lost my wallet twice.

00:25:43.000 Okay, relax people.

00:25:45.000 Plus they look kind of sweet.

00:25:47.000 But I got this wallet recently.

00:25:49.000 It's a front pocket wallet.

00:25:50.000 It just keeps a few credit cards and my driver's license and that's it.

00:25:53.000 I went minimalist.

00:25:54.000 And ever since I did that, I'm aware that I can just sit down.

00:25:58.000 Because I would always take my wallet out of my pocket and then sit down.

00:26:02.000 Which is one of the reasons why I wanted it attached to a chain, because I'm absent-minded.

00:26:06.000 But people that have these big, fat wallets, everybody gives you a business card, oh, let me just stick that in there.

00:26:11.000 You're sitting on a brick.

00:26:12.000 You're sitting on an encyclopedia. 0.90

00:26:14.000 Stuff that sucker into your pocket, and you've got this weird angle that you're at all the time. 0.98

00:26:19.000 You're always sitting in a weird lump. 0.98

00:26:21.000 And soft tissue is very pliable.

00:26:23.000 And that's something that...

00:26:25.000 It's also something that really frustrated me about getting a back injury was how many people were like, well, you're going to have to get surgery. 0.99

00:26:32.000 And I was like, whoa, what the fuck? 0.98

00:26:33.000 Like, there's no way to fix this? 0.99

00:26:35.000 Slow down! 0.97

00:26:36.000 There's no way to stretch this out.

00:26:37.000 There's no way to...

00:26:38.000 It's compressed, right?

00:26:39.000 I've suffered...

00:26:40.000 Is there a way to decompress it?

00:26:41.000 And then I went to other people and they're like, yeah, of course, we do decompression therapy. 0.99

00:26:44.000 Like, okay, what the fuck? 0.99

00:26:46.000 Well, how come this doctor's telling me you got to cut my back? 1.00

00:26:48.000 And then there's...

00:26:50.000 Have you ever heard of the reverse hyper machine?

00:26:52.000 Yes.

00:26:53.000 Louie Simmons, this guy from Westside Barbell in Columbus, Ohio, created this amazing machine that I have in the back now that I use almost every day.

00:27:01.000 It's fantastic because it offers decompression and this incredible strengthening of the back.

00:27:06.000 It's this amazing machine that as you're lifting up, you're flexing your back in this very unusual way.

00:27:15.000 It's really hard to work out any other way.

00:27:17.000 And then on the release, it's actually actively decompressing your spine.

00:27:22.000 So it's because of guys like him, Louis Simmons is this power lifter, genius, sort of biomechanic dude who figured out he had an injury and they wanted to fuse his discs. 0.99

00:27:33.000 And he was like, fuck that.

00:27:34.000 Let me figure out a way around this. 1.00

00:27:36.000 And he figured out a way.

00:27:37.000 And he fixed it.

00:27:38.000 And he fixed it through just using what he knows about exercise and the mechanics of the body and coming up with some sort of machine that would allow the decompression of that soft tissue.

00:27:51.000 And that's something that I think we all have to be aware of when it comes to posture.

00:27:56.000 Like, posture is a giant one with people.

00:27:58.000 I had terrible posture, like most of my life, until I started getting back issues.

00:28:03.000 And one of the things that I realized is even though I was healthy and strong, I was able to avoid a lot of pain that was associated with that bad posture.

00:28:11.000 The bad posture was still screwing me up.

00:28:13.000 And just being able to sit up straight, it feels odd when you do it.

00:28:18.000 But if you do it, it's like an active exercise.

00:28:21.000 You force yourself to do it.

00:28:23.000 You want to slump because you feel like you're using less energy.

00:28:26.000 But you're really screwing your body up when you do it.

00:28:28.000 And you're using less energy.

00:28:30.000 Yeah.

00:28:30.000 Which is fine in some cases.

00:28:34.000 I mean, using less energy is good in some cases, but I think it has less to do with good posture.

00:28:40.000 The thing with posture is posture is this modern construct that has arisen...

00:28:46.000 In a culture that doesn't move at all, right?

00:28:49.000 So it's really like, what's the optimal way to be still?

00:28:52.000 I was like, that's the wrong question.

00:28:53.000 We're asking kind of the wrong question.

00:28:55.000 Yes, that's the first question.

00:28:57.000 The first question is to assume that there's nothing you can change about your life, that you can't move to a wonderful place and cultivate a wonderful city to live in.

00:29:05.000 But right now, if you feel stuck in your job, the tendency is to make that environment better.

00:29:12.000 But I always like to point out that Posture isn't something that you would be as concerned about if you were moving a lot more in general, that the resting tensions of your body would be doing all the things that, you know, we're trying to do in small blips on different machines,

00:29:29.000 in posture classes, you know, in posture books, that you just got to move more too.

00:29:34.000 And also, even standing up though, even if you are moving, like there's a lot of people that move and they kind of have that hunch forward thing going on.

00:29:43.000 And even if you're out there doing stuff, like especially like when you're exercising, you put a tremendous amount of pressure on your back in really weird ways if you don't use proper posture, like with squats and things along those lines.

00:29:54.000 It's so super important.

00:29:55.000 Yeah, form, form is huge during your workout and all the other times too.

00:30:01.000 Yeah, and form for everything, not just for lifting weights.

00:30:04.000 For martial arts, of course, it's gigantic.

00:30:04.000 Right.

00:30:06.000 You know, doing things correctly.

00:30:07.000 If you do things incorrectly, you put a lot of load on weird areas of your joints and your hips and your back.

00:30:13.000 So many people want to be healthier.

00:30:16.000 So many people want to get out of this rut they're in and get there.

00:30:22.000 But it seems like just the modern life that most people either have found themselves in by circumstance, by lack of understanding, whatever it is, you find yourself in this way of life,

00:30:38.000 which it almost makes it It's incomprehensibly difficult to be healthy, to be fit, to have a body that functions correctly.

00:30:49.000 If you're sitting in a desk all day, what are the things that people should be concentrating on?

00:30:54.000 If they find themselves stuck in a work environment, you're in a cubicle, is there a way to mitigate that?

00:31:00.000 There is.

00:31:03.000 I think one of the things that I'm known for most is that if you think about in terms of your exercise, a lot of people will try to figure out healthy to them is, what are you doing for exercise?

00:31:13.000 What are you eating for your diet?

00:31:14.000 So you're trying to...

00:31:20.000 We're good to go.

00:31:34.000 You take it out.

00:31:36.000 Well, a lot of people put two big hunks of wallet-ish type stuff under their feet every single day.

00:31:43.000 And they call them shoes.

00:31:44.000 You know, they'll put like a big, big wedge.

00:31:46.000 Well, I'm not even talking about high heels.

00:31:46.000 High heels.

00:31:48.000 I'm talking about trainers.

00:31:49.000 You know, like your athletic shoe could have an inch and a quarter is standard.

00:31:53.000 A man's dress shoe is almost two full inches.

00:31:56.000 It's just not thin and spiky and fashion-y.

00:31:59.000 But that is the equivalent to the wallet.

00:32:03.000 It's just...

00:32:03.000 Because it's symmetrical, we think of, well, it's symmetrical.

00:32:06.000 Your wallet under your hip, it's not just that it's asymmetrical.

00:32:11.000 If you had a wallet in each hip, the problems of having something underneath, under that soft tissue, would still be there.

00:32:17.000 It would just...

00:32:18.000 It would be more subtle.

00:32:19.000 You wouldn't have this big torque there as well.

00:32:22.000 It would just be kind of continuous pressure.

00:32:24.000 But people put stuff on their feet every single day that affects every other joint north of their ankle.

00:32:30.000 And then you compensate all day long.

00:32:32.000 Your whole entire life you've been compensating.

00:32:34.000 And over time you lose parts to your body.

00:32:38.000 You lose the little contractile components that make up muscle, like the sarcomeres that make up your muscle length.

00:32:44.000 Those just go away.

00:32:45.000 You cannibalize those, which means you lose range of motion, which means even when you go to move your parts during this part of your life that you've set aside to move, which is different than the rest of your life that you've set aside to not move, you're moving less.

00:32:58.000 You're moving less of you.

00:33:00.000 So that's always a huge one.

00:33:02.000 Like, what if I told you your whole body would work better if you fix what you were putting on your feet every day?

00:33:07.000 You're just going to put shoes on anyway.

00:33:09.000 Like, what does it matter what they are?

00:33:11.000 If you could put on a pair of shoes that allowed your whole body to function in a different way, it would be the equivalent to saying, I got this new workout, like this new cross-training piece, your workout is stale, you're not as strong as you should be or that you'd like to be for the thing that you're doing,

00:33:28.000 that you can introduce whole new load spectrum to your body just by changing your shoes.

00:33:34.000 What do you think about those?

00:33:35.000 What are they called?

00:33:36.000 MBTs?

00:33:36.000 Is that what it was called?

00:33:37.000 The barefoot technology?

00:33:39.000 The rocker bottom ones?

00:33:41.000 What's the deal with those? 1.00

00:33:42.000 Are those stupid? 1.00

00:33:43.000 Well, they're a rocking chair for your feet. 1.00

00:33:45.000 So if you ever sit down in a rocking chair, that's called momentum.

00:33:48.000 And that's not something you want in your gait pattern.

00:33:50.000 You don't want your shoes to be throwing you forward so that you don't have to expend as much energy to do it.

00:33:56.000 Well, the idea was that you balance yourself constantly on those things.

00:34:01.000 In doing that, you're using all those little muscle groups.

00:34:03.000 Is that all BS? I don't know if it's all BS. It's just, it doesn't get...

00:34:08.000 Mostly BS. It's mostly BS. MBS, isn't that what they're almost called?

00:34:12.000 MBS, MBT? It's just this bigger, like, I don't know, I always think a lot larger than that.

00:34:18.000 I'm thinking about, like, there is a cellular environment.

00:34:21.000 There is a nutritious movement.

00:34:24.000 It's the equivalent to nutritious food, is that there is a way to move that is nutritious to your body, and you're missing some huge nutrients.

00:34:33.000 So you should wear flat shoes all the time, right?

00:34:36.000 I got, like, skateboard shoes.

00:34:36.000 Are these okay?

00:34:38.000 Flexible.

00:34:39.000 No, there's a little bit of a bottom to that, right?

00:34:41.000 Yeah.

00:34:42.000 There's more on the bottom than there is at the top.

00:34:44.000 If you grab them and bend them over, what do they do?

00:34:47.000 Mm-hmm.

00:34:48.000 Bend them over?

00:34:49.000 Like, here's my shoes.

00:34:49.000 What do you mean?

00:34:50.000 Oh, like, you wear, like, flip-flops.

00:34:52.000 That's it.

00:34:53.000 Yeah, but decidedly not flip-flops because if you put...

00:34:56.000 If it's just flip-flops, then you have to grab to hold them.

00:34:59.000 Then you've got all this tension in your foot and your gait pattern's all messed up from natural just to hold on the thing on your foot.

00:34:59.000 That's not good.

00:35:05.000 So it's kind of like your movement is very reflexive.

00:35:11.000 You are an animal.

00:35:12.000 You're a primate.

00:35:13.000 And your movement should be much more reflexive than it's happening right now.

00:35:18.000 And one of the reasons that makes it so difficult is because of all of these...

00:35:24.000 I think it's fascinating that you refer to, like, a cast for your eyes.

00:35:29.000 Because I never thought about it that way, but as soon as you said it, I was like, oh, that totally makes sense.

00:35:32.000 Like, your house is kind of a cast.

00:35:34.000 Your house is a cast.

00:35:35.000 The TV is a cast.

00:35:36.000 Being in a work environment, an office is a cast.

00:35:38.000 Not looking at things for large distances.

00:35:40.000 That is a cast.

00:35:42.000 The shoe thing, I wear Converse All-Stars most of the time because of that, because they're flat and they're really flexible and light.

00:35:48.000 Those are okay?

00:35:49.000 Those would be helpful.

00:35:50.000 Can you spread your toes out wide?

00:35:52.000 But then there's this whole other level.

00:35:53.000 Spread your toes out wide.

00:35:54.000 Is that important?

00:35:55.000 Yeah, there's muscles in there.

00:35:56.000 25% of the number of muscles in your body are from your ankle down.

00:36:01.000 Maybe you.

00:36:02.000 Maybe not me.

00:36:03.000 No, you might have more muscles.

00:36:04.000 Not muscle mass.

00:36:06.000 Not muscle mass. 1.00

00:36:07.000 I'm just talking shit. 0.99

00:36:08.000 What about those toe shoes? 1.00

00:36:10.000 Toe shoes.

00:36:11.000 I like the toe shoes.

00:36:11.000 You get a little bit more for that, but you have to transition pretty hard.

00:36:15.000 It's like you've been wearing casts.

00:36:18.000 Like if you broke your arm, you wouldn't cut it off and then start doing cartwheels and stuff.

00:36:23.000 Why do all my workouts barefoot?

00:36:25.000 Oh, that's great.

00:36:26.000 I do all my weightlifting barefoot.

00:36:28.000 All my martial arts stuff is, of course, barefoot.

00:36:30.000 But, like, sometimes I'll take pictures of gym workouts and, like, what are you doing barefoot, man? 0.99

00:36:37.000 You're crazy.

00:36:37.000 You're going to drop things on your feet?

00:36:38.000 Like, guess what, man? 1.00

00:36:39.000 You drop things on your feet, normally you're fucked anyway. 1.00

00:36:42.000 If you're lifting 400 pounds, if you have shoes on, you're still fucked. 1.00

00:36:46.000 You know, it's going to smush your toes. 1.00

00:36:48.000 Just don't drop things on your feet, dummy. 0.57

00:36:49.000 How often do you drop things on your feet? 0.88

00:36:51.000 I don't drop things on my feet.

00:36:52.000 I pay attention.

00:36:53.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:36:53.000 If...

00:36:55.000 If you go barefoot, you learn how to pay a lot of attention.

00:36:58.000 Yeah, little kids, man.

00:36:59.000 My kids stomp on my feet all the time when I'm barefoot around the house.

00:37:02.000 They do, and they love it.

00:37:04.000 They think it's funny.

00:37:06.000 While teaching my six-year-old daughter, I teach her kickboxing.

00:37:10.000 And so now she thinks it's funny to just run up on me and leg kick me. 0.94

00:37:13.000 And it's starting to get hard.

00:37:16.000 Like she's six and she knows how to whip her body into it now. 0.96

00:37:19.000 She's a little athlete. 1.00

00:37:20.000 She knows how to turn her hips because I've taught her like how to like really generate force. 1.00

00:37:24.000 So the other day she came up to me and she did this like perfect pivot and whack! 1.00

00:37:28.000 And just dug one right into my calf. 1.00

00:37:30.000 I was like, oh, you little fucker. 1.00

00:37:33.000 Like, it was good. 1.00

00:37:34.000 It was good.

00:37:35.000 Proud parenting moment.

00:37:35.000 I was proud of it.

00:37:36.000 But I didn't see it coming, you know?

00:37:38.000 Well, when they're six, they feel like you're invulnerable, so they just tee off on you whenever they want, you know?

00:37:44.000 Well, you can't hit them.

00:37:45.000 No.

00:37:46.000 But, I mean, it doesn't really hurt yet.

00:37:48.000 But it's like, hey, we've got about four more years of that before we're going to have an issue.

00:37:55.000 Once you get to like 13, 14, you can really hurt somebody.

00:37:58.000 So don't we do it to me?

00:37:59.000 We have like rules in our house.

00:38:00.000 We're only allowed to hit daddy. 1.00

00:38:01.000 And you know, you can't hit each other, but you can hit daddy.

00:38:04.000 And so we play.

00:38:05.000 All right.

00:38:06.000 I just feel like the best way to teach the martial arts is to show them the techniques, but then actually have them hit a person.

00:38:12.000 Because you can hit punching bags and stuff all you want, but I want them to like specifically target areas.

00:38:18.000 Like this is the area you're supposed to hit.

00:38:19.000 Like this is why you're supposed to hit this area.

00:38:21.000 So I let them hit me.

00:38:23.000 I like it.

00:38:24.000 But a lot of barefoot stuff, point is.

00:38:26.000 Yeah, and a lot of people don't do anything barefoot.

00:38:29.000 So if you're doing, you know, the bulk of your movement with barefoot, that's great.

00:38:32.000 But you could also do your podcast barefoot.

00:38:34.000 Really?

00:38:35.000 Why would that help?

00:38:36.000 Why does it help your workout?

00:38:38.000 But I'm moving my feet around.

00:38:39.000 I'm just sitting here.

00:38:40.000 Well, move around.

00:38:41.000 I would suggest that you move around a little bit more, too.

00:38:43.000 Yeah.

00:38:43.000 Like, wiggle my toes around?

00:38:43.000 So I should do this?

00:38:45.000 People are weird, and they're sitting around barefoot, though.

00:38:47.000 Somehow or another, with girls, it doesn't bother me.

00:38:50.000 But, like, if I'm sitting...

00:38:51.000 Like, Eddie Bravo.

00:38:52.000 I love Eddie Bravo to death.

00:38:53.000 He's a good buddy of mine.

00:38:54.000 That dude's always barefoot.

00:38:55.000 He's always playing with his feet and stuff.

00:38:57.000 Like, come on, man.

00:38:58.000 Puts his bare feet up on tables at a restaurant and just...

00:39:02.000 Well, he's always stretching.

00:39:03.000 He's a jiu-jitsu master, so he's always got one foot here and one foot here.

00:39:07.000 He's always pushing his weight down, stretching himself out, but he's always barefoot.

00:39:12.000 That's why he's a master, maybe.

00:39:14.000 Yeah, well, the 10,000 hours thing.

00:39:17.000 He's got a lot of years of choking people and thinking about it, too.

00:39:17.000 Sure.

00:39:21.000 But he's always barefoot, so there's probably something to that.

00:39:25.000 And he lifts weights with Converse All-Stars at the gym.

00:39:28.000 They don't let you lift weights at a gym gym most of the time barefoot.

00:39:31.000 No. 0.99

00:39:32.000 But those toe shoes, wasn't there like a class action lawsuit that said those toe shoes were bullshit? 0.70

00:39:36.000 No, the class action lawsuit was that the woman who brought about the class action said that the advertising implied that all you had to do was buy the shoes, that you didn't have to figure out how to use your body differently. 0.99

00:39:49.000 So it had nothing to do with how they performed.

00:39:53.000 It was about their claim.

00:39:55.000 So the way she interpreted it was that she just had to put them on her feet and that she would be healthier and have less injuries.

00:40:02.000 America.

00:40:03.000 That's America.

00:40:03.000 Right there.

00:40:05.000 Yeah.

00:40:06.000 Jesus Christ.

00:40:07.000 Class action lawsuits. 0.99

00:40:08.000 Some of them are just so goddamn goofy. 0.98

00:40:10.000 You're like, oh, come on. 0.99

00:40:11.000 Really?

00:40:12.000 You thought you could put shoes on and you would become a super person?

00:40:15.000 I don't know.

00:40:15.000 Imagine if it was true, though.

00:40:17.000 Well, that's the real issue.

00:40:17.000 I know.

00:40:19.000 If they do one day come up with something that you just put it on and it makes you a way better athlete.

00:40:24.000 Like a cape.

00:40:26.000 Yeah, it's like steroid shoes.

00:40:27.000 All of a sudden people are running faster.

00:40:30.000 Didn't that South African guy who shot his girlfriend, what's his name?

00:40:36.000 The guy with the blades?

00:40:38.000 Oscar Pistorius.

00:40:40.000 Pistorius, yeah, that guy.

00:40:41.000 Those blades, a lot of people feel like you can actually run faster with those things on because they offer some sort of a spring that you could with just your regular feet.

00:40:52.000 So if they get to that with shoes, then we've got an issue.

00:40:56.000 Do you think people will be taking their own feet off just to get those to win?

00:40:59.000 We've actually discussed that.

00:41:01.000 What we've discussed is not for those blades, but there's going to come a time where...

00:41:05.000 There was a guy that we talked about on the podcast once.

00:41:08.000 He had gotten his leg and his arm bitten off by a shark.

00:41:12.000 And he had replaced them with these really high-tech...

00:41:17.000 He had replacement hands that articulate and his leg was perfectly suited to his body and he walked around with no limp.

00:41:24.000 It was so strange.

00:41:26.000 And you see the guy's there talking and he's, you know, having a conversation and talking about and he's using his artificial hand and his real hand to gesture.

00:41:34.000 And you're like, well, they're going to get better at those.

00:41:38.000 Like the old days, I went to school with this girl and she lost her arm like really early on in life and it was always, you know, everybody was always weirded out by her because she had a hook.

00:41:46.000 She's a very nice girl, but she always... 0.65

00:41:47.000 Like, if she had, like, this artificial hand that looked exactly like a real hand, it was just a different color.

00:41:55.000 Well, how much different would people react to her then?

00:41:58.000 A decade later, if she has an artificial hand that has some sort of an artificial skin component to it that actually has... 0.73

00:42:08.000 I mean, they have some that allow you to pick up pieces of glass and not break them.

00:42:13.000 I mean, they allow you to feel pressure, like really sensitive ones that are developing.

00:42:19.000 One day they're going to get one that's better than your actual legs.

00:42:23.000 So if you have these regular legs, we can give you an operation and it'll make you run like Usain Bolt.

00:42:29.000 You're going to have some artificial legs.

00:42:30.000 You know, it's going to go through a rehab process. 0.99

00:42:32.000 You won't be able to walk for a couple weeks because we're going to cut your fucking legs off and stuff these carbon fiber jammies in there and put the joint endings in and fuse them with this new thing that we've created. 1.00

00:42:43.000 Yeah, someone's going to do that. 0.99

00:42:45.000 Totally.

00:42:45.000 Absolutely.

00:42:46.000 Just a matter of time.

00:42:47.000 Mm-hmm.

00:42:48.000 Just a matter of time before we have artificial bodies.

00:42:51.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:42:51.000 Someone's going to just suck your head right out of your brain right out of your head and stuff it into this thing, and boom, you're just going to be like piloting around this crazy body. 0.96

00:43:00.000 Right? 1.00

00:43:01.000 Don't you think?

00:43:01.000 I absolutely think that.

00:43:03.000 That's kind of beyond the point though, right?

00:43:05.000 Until then, we've got to deal with what we have.

00:43:07.000 Well, yeah.

00:43:08.000 Well, I would say, I mean, I'm a biomechanist, so a lot of the colleagues that I work with are in orthopedic development and stuff that you're talking about, so it's...

00:43:18.000 Kind of my territory just to see what people are coming up with.

00:43:22.000 But the big thing that you can't really get around yet is that your parts are doing other parts and just moving you around.

00:43:31.000 That's always kind of the limitation.

00:43:32.000 If you lose a part, you know, that's the loss and you can replace it.

00:43:38.000 But to voluntarily take off healthy parts, those parts do things other than just be those parts.

00:43:43.000 They're participating in the system.

00:43:45.000 It's like kind of the same thing like you can't take an animal out of an ecosystem because all the other animals collapse without it because they're expanding out of control and something else is dying off.

00:43:55.000 It's the same thing.

00:43:57.000 The part has a role as a part but it also has a role within the system and so that'll be the backfiring on that.

00:44:04.000 The balance.

00:44:05.000 Just like putting an invasive species into an ecosystem screws everything up.

00:44:09.000 There's a balance.

00:44:10.000 There's a relationship between everything else that took a really long time to establish, and when you start messing that around, you're playing clean up for the rest of your life.

00:44:19.000 Yeah.

00:44:20.000 Now, when you think about human movement, besides the shoes that you wear, what are the other big issues that people have in how they get through this life with their body?

00:44:35.000 Well, people don't walk enough.

00:44:43.000 There's a whole group of people who don't eat any fat.

00:44:45.000 A lot of people who don't eat any fat as a whole category of a micronutrient.

00:44:50.000 And then they're slowly introducing it back in, and they're like, I had all these health problems because I was missing fat, or maybe I didn't eat any protein, or maybe I didn't eat any animal products.

00:45:00.000 You know, like they've got these big kind of voids in their diet, and then there are diseases that show up when you have some void, like vitamin C. No one even knew you needed vitamin C until you have this group of We're good to go.

00:45:18.000 We're good to go.

00:45:31.000 60 or 70 years for someone to identify that as vitamin C. It's essential.

00:45:35.000 Your body can't live without it.

00:45:37.000 Walking is really one of those things that your body can't function as it should without it.

00:45:46.000 There are these other byproducts that go along when you walk in a particular way.

00:45:51.000 That's where alignment comes in.

00:45:53.000 There's these series of loads that are created by using your body.

00:45:57.000 Walking would have been the thing that you would be doing most often.

00:46:01.000 Out of all the moves that your body has done through the millennium, walking is the load maker that you would do the most.

00:46:07.000 And there's people who just don't walk at all.

00:46:10.000 They work out.

00:46:11.000 They're fit.

00:46:12.000 They run.

00:46:13.000 They do everything, but they don't walk.

00:46:14.000 That's huge.

00:46:16.000 So just walking alone, just important just to balance out your body, just to be a normal, healthy person.

00:46:22.000 Yeah, it's an input.

00:46:24.000 It's an input to your body.

00:46:26.000 We don't think of movement as an input, but it's a squash.

00:46:29.000 Like your cells are squashed by the way that you move and then the way that the cells express themselves, their genetic expression comes about by the mechanical environment.

00:46:41.000 It's one of the important environments.

00:46:43.000 And right now, for a lot of people, it's walking free.

00:46:47.000 So just walking, it doesn't really have any purpose in our life any longer because you don't You don't have to walk anywhere to get anything done.

00:46:56.000 But like this orca fin, you know, the way that an orca swims in the wild is what maintains its structure.

00:47:03.000 There's nothing that the orca can do now with this flopped over fin.

00:47:05.000 It can't do opposing fin curls.

00:47:08.000 It can't foam roller out the floppy side.

00:47:10.000 The structure has been set by the fact it swims in a circle.

00:47:13.000 So it softens.

00:47:15.000 All fins soften as the Orca goes from its juvenile through its teenager to adulthood, but coupled, packaged with that is swimming in a particular way at depths where the forces are such that it maintains and shapes this structure,

00:47:32.000 this end result that we call An orca.

00:47:34.000 So we are swimming metaphorically just counterclockwise all of the time.

00:47:40.000 And so our structure, our definition of fit and healthy is like the peak that this orca with the flopped over fin would ever get swimming in a circle at SeaWorld.

00:47:51.000 And you can see the vast difference between any possible swimming program he can be put on there.

00:47:56.000 Compared to how he would swim in the ocean, getting food every day, which is like 100 miles of swimming every day.

00:48:02.000 Fast, you know, sprints when they have to get something.

00:48:05.000 You know, there's mating, there's social time.

00:48:07.000 There's all these things that go on in the wild.

00:48:09.000 That is the necessary input for being an orca.

00:48:13.000 And then you just say, well, then what necessary inputs are we missing kind of as humans?

00:48:18.000 Because so much of our physiology depends on how we move and how we don't.

00:48:24.000 So, to use an analogy that you used earlier, like the orca in that pool is kind of in a cast.

00:48:30.000 Correct.

00:48:31.000 And the atrophy of, like, my arm broke once, and I had a cast, and when I took my arm out of the cast, it was like this little shriveled up thing.

00:48:38.000 Yeah.

00:48:39.000 You know, and everybody knows that.

00:48:40.000 When you don't use your muscles, they just decide, oh, we don't need these, and they shrink down.

00:48:44.000 And so that's what's happening to this poor thing's fin.

00:48:48.000 Yeah, and everyone that you know.

00:48:50.000 Even people that you know who have a ton of muscle mass...

00:48:53.000 It's just compared.

00:48:55.000 The distribution of muscle mass that you see is just compared to people who don't do those particular things that you do to get that muscle mass.

00:49:02.000 But there is a whole other mass distribution that would come about were you to do other things.

00:49:09.000 And so I'm mostly concerned with What I work on most are human diseases and basic human functions.

00:49:17.000 What I'm most interested in is getting pregnant, maintaining your delivery, and then delivering this child.

00:49:25.000 We're having some serious fertility and delivery problems, which are You know, like, the level one for a species, like, the survival of a species.

00:49:32.000 Like, what do you mean people can't get pregnant or they can't birth their children anymore?

00:49:37.000 Like, they need special equipment and medical intervention.

00:49:39.000 Like, these are big signs for a species that...

00:49:42.000 The same thing happens in zoos, right?

00:49:44.000 Like, animals don't breed well in zoos because they are missing things.

00:49:48.000 And so it's the same thing that we're experiencing.

00:49:50.000 That's an interesting way to put it.

00:49:53.000 Animals don't breed well in zoos because their environment has been radically changed, and that's the same thing with people.

00:50:00.000 Well, they're supposed to be interacting with other animals.

00:50:03.000 I mean, there's so much.

00:50:04.000 There's isolation, not just the animal itself from its herd or its tribe, but then from other animals.

00:50:12.000 Again, this is a big system, and And zoo research is really interesting because it's covering everything.

00:50:17.000 Like, what happens when you put a zoo in a city, you know, and have light?

00:50:21.000 You've got light going on all of the time, so there's constant What they call night lighting, so light beyond the sun.

00:50:30.000 And then there's metal noises, the loud clanging, plus there's all these biological cues that if you ever go camping, you know, you hear the bugs.

00:50:38.000 The bugs let you know, the birds let you know where everything else is, and that there are cultures who understand, who have this input of noise.

00:50:48.000 And from a scientific perspective, you know, there's like these things, all of the data that we have on humans, Really comes from the last maybe like 60 to 100 years and so there's like these basic in psychology tests like you've probably seen them where they've got the arrows the outside arrows point outward on the tips and then on the other tip of the other arrow they point inwards like which line is longer and it's kind of an optical illusion and you get it wrong like everyone says that the arrows that point in is longer or whatever.

00:51:17.000 And it was like, so this is how the human brain works.

00:51:20.000 And there's all this data like that.

00:51:21.000 Only it turns out if you take that test to a culture that actually needs to judge distance for survival, they don't have a problem seeing.

00:51:29.000 It's not an optical illusion to them.

00:51:32.000 It's just poor skill when we look at it.

00:51:34.000 So there are all of these hypotheses on humans are studying College-aged humans, like you're looking at orcas with floppy fins and then are just making all these judgments on whales.

00:51:48.000 And so with this realization that so much of our, like your human physiology textbook, that's not human physiology.

00:51:56.000 That shape that you're looking at of a skeleton, that's...

00:52:00.000 That's modern guy who's worn shoes his whole life and walked on flat and level.

00:52:04.000 Flat and level ground, that's another cast.

00:52:06.000 You're not supposed to walk.

00:52:07.000 Like, flat and level is the most weird, abnormal texture for you to ever walk on, and yet you've probably only walked on flat and level for like 99% of your life.

00:52:17.000 Your ankle joint has a different shape than someone who has walked in the wilderness their whole entire life because they use more parts just to get walking done.

00:52:25.000 You use almost nothing to walk.

00:52:26.000 Walking is falling.

00:52:27.000 Like, that's our...

00:52:28.000 That's how we're saying.

00:52:29.000 It's like, sure, for someone who sits in the chair most of the time and walks on flattened level in shoes, that's falling.

00:52:34.000 Yeah, some people have an incredibly difficult time going up hills.

00:52:37.000 Sure, with different muscles.

00:52:38.000 Yeah.

00:52:38.000 It's different.

00:52:40.000 Well, one of the first times I went hunting, I went hunting in Montana, and we were climbing up these hills that's...

00:52:47.000 It used to be the Great Western Inland Sea near, it's the Missouri Breaks.

00:52:52.000 And so it's this weird clay-like material that covers all the ground.

00:52:56.000 And when you're walking uphill, you're sliding a lot down and everything is like kind of slippery.

00:53:03.000 So everywhere you go, you're constantly counterbalancing and catching yourself, and it's not like a...

00:53:07.000 And you get exhausted!

00:53:09.000 Like, you think you're in shape.

00:53:09.000 Sure.

00:53:10.000 Like, you could do all kinds of crazy workouts and crossfit your brains out, but then you go up these hills all day, and you're fucking tired. 0.58

00:53:18.000 And by the end of the day, you're starving.

00:53:18.000 Yeah.

00:53:21.000 You have this weird hunger for animal protein, too.

00:53:24.000 For animal protein and fat.

00:53:26.000 Like, fatty things and even pasta or any, like, high-calorie things.

00:53:31.000 This intense craving for it because your body's just doing all this breaking down of tissue all day long.

00:53:37.000 You're stressing your body in a weird way that you just don't get like walking around the city.

00:53:42.000 No, we've gotten rid of everything.

00:53:46.000 The only variable that we have less to play with is like intensity.

00:53:50.000 Like, it's like, well, I'm walking on this, I'll have to go faster, I'll have to go harder, because that's the only thing that's left to respond to.

00:53:58.000 Like, that's the thing with casts, is if you've removed any other movement that would allow you to do any sort of cross-training or use new parts in different ways, then all you have left to do is the same thing, harder or faster.

00:54:10.000 But yeah, texture, for people who study, you know, the human kinetic chain, like things like walking and Like the foot skin, like you're going up hills in shoes probably, but if you didn't have shoes on, that first level of traction would be at the skin,

00:54:26.000 which means your skin has to be strong enough to carry the load of your body.

00:54:31.000 Your hands, you know, people do a ton of work with their upper body, but they won't actually bring the hand skin along.

00:54:38.000 To the strength of the rest of their body because everything's a bar, right?

00:54:41.000 It's like this flat uniform level, never occur in nature bar as opposed to picking up things with texture.

00:54:47.000 In nature, there's texture that kind of bite in the skin and then your skin strengthens and then your arms are stronger because that first level of carrying or picking up or hauling out or doing anything is traction.

00:54:59.000 Traction between you and the earth, human and the earth, animal and the earth, whether it's a hand or foot.

00:55:04.000 Yeah, one thing I've never understood is, I mean, I understand it, but I've never done it.

00:55:09.000 I never agreed with it.

00:55:10.000 It's guys who put wrist straps on and do all these exercises.

00:55:12.000 So you're carrying weight that your hands can't support.

00:55:16.000 But you're kind of doing your body a disservice or you're overloading your joints when you're doing that, aren't you?

00:55:16.000 Right.

00:55:21.000 Yeah, because what's happening is they can't get any stronger to carry that because, again, it's this limited flat and round thing.

00:55:31.000 Like, you know, you can pick up your...

00:55:33.000 Kettlebell or whatever, but as it's getting heavier, it's the same handle.

00:55:36.000 So there's parts of you that are left out of getting stronger because the environment is repetitive.

00:55:43.000 So if you go out and hang from a tree, if you were holding on to something that kind of bit in a little bit, then you would be able to Carry with your hands whatever you are also able to carry with for the rest of the body.

00:55:55.000 There's got to be some sort of cross training for the hands.

00:55:58.000 It can't just be that same thing.

00:55:59.000 So instead of just gripping like this all the time, you should do some stuff like this, and you should pull things, and you should be...

00:56:06.000 And texture.

00:56:07.000 It's not musculoskeletal.

00:56:10.000 It has nothing to do with the amount your joints flex.

00:56:13.000 So girth of a bar is one.

00:56:16.000 The size and the shape of the bar and the angle, that's one way of cross-training the hands. 0.56

00:56:20.000 But there's also the skin.

00:56:22.000 Your skin is just not strong enough because the things that you are exercising with are these kind of smooth, man-made fake things. 0.50

00:56:30.000 They're not anything that you would actually like, this is the weight of a log.

00:56:32.000 It's like, great, go pick up a log.

00:56:34.000 So we should pick up logs?

00:56:35.000 You should.

00:56:36.000 Pick up logs, pick up some rocks or something, or at least haul yourself up in a tree every now and then instead of on a chin-up bar like in a gym.

00:56:44.000 Hmm.

00:56:45.000 We need trees to climb up. 1.00

00:56:47.000 But if you fall down from the tree, you're fucked. 1.00

00:56:49.000 Yeah, or are you? 1.00

00:56:50.000 I don't know.

00:56:50.000 You've never really loaded.

00:56:52.000 That's another thing with bones.

00:56:53.000 Oh, you are. 1.00

00:56:54.000 You're fucked if you fall from a tree, aren't you? 1.00

00:56:56.000 Well, you know what? 1.00

00:56:57.000 Same thing about dropping something on your foot.

00:57:00.000 You become a little bit more mindful.

00:57:01.000 You become more mindful.

00:57:02.000 My friend Cameron does this workout, I think he does it once a week, where he takes a rock.

00:57:08.000 It's a 135-pound rock, and he carries it up to the top of a mountain.

00:57:12.000 And he does it one of two ways.

00:57:14.000 Like sometimes he throws it in his backpack.

00:57:16.000 He has like one of those big oversized Tenzing backpacks like with all the straps on it that you would use for like carrying game out of the woods.

00:57:26.000 He's a big elk hunter.

00:57:27.000 And to train his body to carry heavy loads, he just takes this 135 pound rock, throws it in his backpack and goes up hills.

00:57:34.000 Or sometimes he just picks this rock up and puts it on his shoulder and goes up hills and just rotates shoulders.

00:57:40.000 And I think in his eyes, like anything you do that's unusual or difficult and training your body and straining it in some way that's going to sort of mimic what he's going to have to do if he's hunting and carrying an elk out of the forest.

00:57:53.000 It's like similar to that.

00:57:55.000 Yeah, it's like a lot of specificity.

00:57:56.000 You want to get to it as close as possible.

00:57:59.000 But he's also still carrying this awkward weight and doing things in a way that makes your body like compensate and But see, that's the thing with posture, why it's a modern construct.

00:58:10.000 To say that there's a right, safe way to carry a rock really means that if I'm only doing this one thing and then sitting down the rest of the time, that the only way that my whole body is going to be trained is if I do my training time symmetrically.

00:58:24.000 If you were just moving all of the time kind of in nature, you would balance out naturally because you'd never encounter the same load twice, really.

00:58:32.000 Right.

00:58:32.000 So I have kids.

00:58:33.000 I have a two-year-old and a three-year-old.

00:58:35.000 We've never had a stroller.

00:58:36.000 We've carried those 30 and 40-pounders exclusively, miles.

00:58:41.000 And so that was our big thing, right?

00:58:44.000 You know, so everyone's like, when you have kids, a lot of times your workout changes because there's just no more time anymore.

00:58:50.000 It's like, well, you carry them, and then they're dynamic, and they're moving, which means it's not holding a 30 or 40-pound ball.

00:59:00.000 It's a different load because their 30 and 40 pounds is distributed at their whim based on what they want to look at and where they want to go and they want to go to this side now. 0.99

00:59:09.000 So they are strong little shits. 0.99

00:59:13.000 Like they're strong. 1.00

00:59:14.000 They're really strong.

00:59:15.000 But they've been carrying themselves and we've been carrying them.

00:59:18.000 So it's like this relationship between I'm always strong enough to carry them five miles, no problem.

00:59:24.000 Wow, five miles.

00:59:26.000 Let me see the guns. 1.00

00:59:27.000 Damn! 1.00

00:59:28.000 Five miles. 1.00

00:59:30.000 Wow.

00:59:31.000 That's very impressive carrying anything that's 30 plus pounds, five miles.

00:59:35.000 That you can't put down when you're tired.

00:59:36.000 That's the thing.

00:59:37.000 It's like, we've committed.

00:59:38.000 We are in the wilderness.

00:59:39.000 We will have to come out.

00:59:43.000 My six-year-old is awesome.

00:59:44.000 She pulls full guard on you.

00:59:46.000 She'll wrap her legs around you. 1.00

00:59:47.000 She essentially almost carries her whole weight. 1.00

00:59:49.000 Well, and that's part of it, right?

00:59:50.000 So since they've never been in a stroller, they know how to hold on.

00:59:53.000 And they could hold on.

00:59:55.000 I mean, when they were like six or seven months, they were strong enough to hold on.

00:59:58.000 They could hang from their own hand weight, no problem.

01:00:01.000 But you had to give them the environment to do that, which was never put them in anything.

01:00:05.000 So you have engineered this in a way.

01:00:08.000 Well, I think it's been around for a really long time.

01:00:12.000 But in your own personal life?

01:00:14.000 In my own personal life, I really do everything that I recommend.

01:00:19.000 I've just done myself.

01:00:20.000 I do it as a workout.

01:00:22.000 I carry both of them.

01:00:23.000 Like when we go places and they get tired, I carry both my kids, the six-year-old and the four-year-old.

01:00:28.000 I hoist them up.

01:00:29.000 I have an 18-year-old, but I don't care.

01:00:31.000 The six-year-old and the four-year-old, I hoist them up on my shoulders and haul them around.

01:00:35.000 Yeah, it's great.

01:00:36.000 But yeah, it is a really good workout.

01:00:38.000 You're carrying 70 pounds in some sort of a weird way.

01:00:40.000 You know, you got like 40 on one hand and 30 on the other and you're sort of balancing them out.

01:00:45.000 But it balances out over time.

01:00:47.000 I mean, I guess that's a thing.

01:00:48.000 With loads to the body, they should balance out over time.

01:00:50.000 They don't always have to balance out over an hour.

01:00:53.000 I found out something recently that disturbed me.

01:00:56.000 I always throw my backpack I throw it over my right shoulder like this and I walk around and it just sits there.

01:01:06.000 But then when I throw it over my left shoulder it slumps down.

01:01:11.000 And it's awkward.

01:01:12.000 Like, I can't carry it on my...

01:01:13.000 I can right now, but, you know, like, my left shoulder doesn't know how to keep it up. 0.97

01:01:17.000 And I was like, well, what the fuck is going on? 0.95

01:01:18.000 Why does it keep doing this? 0.98

01:01:20.000 Why does it keep falling over my left one?

01:01:21.000 When I put it on my right one, boom, it just locks in place and it's there.

01:01:24.000 It's effortless.

01:01:25.000 But over my left one, it's like a lot of extra work.

01:01:29.000 So I started carrying it only on my left one. 1.00

01:01:31.000 Like, you know, pick up the slack, bitch. 1.00

01:01:34.000 But it's odd. 1.00

01:01:35.000 Yeah.

01:01:36.000 Like, I think I'm imbalanced in some sort of strange way.

01:01:38.000 Yeah, well, you know, the shape of your body is, it's down on the cellular level.

01:01:43.000 You know, they look at bones of people.

01:01:45.000 They could tell who was right-handed.

01:01:47.000 Like, you'll be able to tell you're right-handed or left-handed.

01:01:49.000 That's how all that anthropological data just, yeah, it's bone robusticity.

01:01:52.000 The size and the shape of your bone lets people know what you did with your body while you were here.

01:01:58.000 Well, that's also why balancing certain exercises, like pitchers and stuff, they get imbalanced because they're always throwing with the right hand.

01:02:05.000 My friend Steve Maxwell, he's worked with a lot of people that have issues with their back and stuff, and one of them was a kicker.

01:02:11.000 And he fixed it all by making him kick with the left leg.

01:02:14.000 He was like, you're only kicking with your right leg all the time.

01:02:17.000 Do you ever kick with your left leg?

01:02:18.000 The guy was like, no.

01:02:19.000 Like, well, you need to do that.

01:02:21.000 Like, you're loading up one side of your body constantly all day, and the other side is getting virtually no movement in the same direction.

01:02:29.000 So it's just, you're going to have to start doing, and all of his problems went away.

01:02:34.000 Yeah, you can't just do heavy, high loads on one side.

01:02:39.000 All day long as your sport.

01:02:40.000 Like, that can't be your sport.

01:02:41.000 It has to have a little bit better balance.

01:02:43.000 But isn't that incredible?

01:02:43.000 Because I don't think pitchers, I really don't know what they do about that now.

01:02:48.000 I think it's probably more people like you now that are interacting with these guys and teaching them things.

01:02:52.000 But I think for the most part, they just throw with one arm.

01:02:55.000 And the thing with the pitcher data, like in the CT scans, It's not just muscle.

01:02:55.000 They do.

01:03:01.000 It's easy to correct a muscle imbalance.

01:03:03.000 It's like, oh, clearly you can see that there's more muscle mass on one side.

01:03:07.000 The bone itself is torqued now, so that the reason that if you wind up, if you imagine winding up, there's this great need for range of motion behind you, and your body's very efficient.

01:03:21.000 If you're going to keep It's challenging the muscles to get longer to stretch to that position.

01:03:26.000 It will just move the bone there so that the muscles can go back to kind of their regular length.

01:03:32.000 You have the same range of motion in both arms, but the range of motion is in a different location on your pitching arm because you've twisted the bone there.

01:03:42.000 So that phenomenon of your bones being shaped by what you do is happening to all of us all the time.

01:03:49.000 People will say, like, I have tibial torsion, you know, like in my lower leg.

01:03:51.000 It's like, yes, your gait pattern has slowly wound your bones so that your foot is no longer in the same position.

01:03:58.000 Plain as it once was or would have been.

01:04:01.000 So you are an entirely different shape than you would have been had you been moving differently throughout your life.

01:04:06.000 You're not just like more or less muscle, like in shape or out of shape.

01:04:11.000 You're an entirely different shape.

01:04:13.000 Whoa.

01:04:14.000 So I started doing martial arts when I was a young boy and did it all throughout my adolescent years through puberty.

01:04:23.000 So probably my body sort of Developed to do those movements.

01:04:30.000 That's one of the reasons why when you take people...

01:04:33.000 One of the big issues with martial arts is some martial arts that are really difficult for older people to learn.

01:04:40.000 And kicking seems to be one of the hardest ones.

01:04:43.000 For whatever reason, your body just does not want to learn that as an older person.

01:04:47.000 But as a young person, like my six-year-old, her little hips are just so loose.

01:04:51.000 She knows that she can just throw her legs around.

01:04:53.000 There's no resistance.

01:04:54.000 But old people... 1.00

01:04:56.000 It's very difficult getting them to kick properly with enough speed to have impact.

01:05:01.000 But if you get someone that's the same age, has been doing it since they were a child, they can do it really quickly.

01:05:07.000 It's like there's something about the body developing, doing those movements.

01:05:11.000 Yeah, you know, zero to...

01:05:13.000 0 to 5 is where you're the most malleable.

01:05:16.000 Your skeleton isn't even set yet.

01:05:19.000 But then when you go from 5 to 15, probably all the way up to 20, then you are much more malleable than you will be after your bone.

01:05:31.000 We say bone density because it's easiest to measure, but your bone shape.

01:05:35.000 And all that it entails is set really for life at that point.

01:05:38.000 So, you know, if you would squat, so you probably squat a lot more, at least if you're in a martial art, a lot of times there's squatting put into it.

01:05:44.000 But if you take someone who's been sitting at their office, you know, using a toilet their whole entire life, their hips have never articulated to that degree that you're asking them to.

01:05:54.000 And in the tradition of the martial art, the people who came up with the martial art oftentimes live an entirely different lifestyle where there are shapes that facilitate And the shape that facilitates it tends to come from the areas that create whatever the sport is that you're talking about because anthropometric dimensions are the size and the shape of your body.

01:06:16.000 Sports and leverages that you create are heavily dependent on anthropometric dimensions.

01:06:22.000 And so your pelvis, you might not be able to kick because your pelvis is shaped by not kicking.

01:06:28.000 Like you have a not kicking pelvis because you are a non-kicker.

01:06:31.000 You can't just all of a sudden start to be a kicker any more than the pitcher can decide to not have a twisted bone in his arm anymore after throwing his whole entire life.

01:06:39.000 So if you develop your whole life as a non-kicker and then someone tries to show you kicking techniques, is there a way to open you up and make you more pliable and make your body adapt to those movements better?

01:06:51.000 I think that there is because you are malleable really as a structure throughout your entire life.

01:06:56.000 I just think that it's larger than do this kick over and over and over again.

01:07:01.000 There are ways to facilitate the mobility of the entire structure.

01:07:06.000 So if it were me and I was trying to teach a martial art, it wouldn't just be the kick.

01:07:10.000 I'd be like, what do these that are good at kicking, like what are the other lifestyle things?

01:07:15.000 It's about frequency.

01:07:16.000 It's not enough.

01:07:17.000 It's not enough load, like not kicking.

01:07:20.000 You're constantly adapting to not kicking.

01:07:22.000 So the amount that you kick is, I mean, how many kicks are you going to practice?

01:07:25.000 A hundred?

01:07:26.000 It's too small.

01:07:28.000 It's so small what you're asking to adapt to that there are ways to create change and shape in bones and there's evidence that it really does happen throughout a lifetime.

01:07:38.000 It's just the exercise paradigm is so small.

01:07:41.000 The training paradigm is so small.

01:07:43.000 It's like if you want to become more malleable, you have to change everything that you do all of the time and you will adapt to that.

01:07:48.000 Do people have a built-in limitation as far as their flexibility, or is it simply a matter of the amount of time and effort you spend trying to expand your flexibility?

01:08:01.000 I don't think humans have a built-in limitation from birth, but I think that your range of motion gets set really, really early, and we are in a mobilizing culture.

01:08:13.000 We immobilize our babies, really.

01:08:14.000 Our whole culture really doesn't work unless your kids are Quiet and still in some place at the time in which you're the most dynamic.

01:08:26.000 We used to roll around in the back of our station wagon, but now kids are locked in even more for a longer period of time.

01:08:33.000 They have more casts on them now, so they're very, very inflexible, extremely inflexible.

01:08:39.000 Or their ranges of motion are in way different planes than they would be.

01:08:44.000 So you can still have...

01:08:47.000 50 degrees of hip motion, but it's all in front of you instead of port of it being behind you.

01:08:52.000 Right.

01:08:53.000 Yeah, that's one of the weird ones in teaching.

01:08:56.000 Is teaching people to lift their leg up and to move it like in this range.

01:09:02.000 Like whether it's across or this one is even weirder.

01:09:05.000 Lifting your leg up, it's called a hook kick.

01:09:07.000 You lift your leg up and bring it across this way.

01:09:10.000 It's just a different movement and looseness of the hips.

01:09:14.000 And I've talked to people about it and one of the big cop-outs is people go, I'm not naturally flexible.

01:09:18.000 You're naturally flexible.

01:09:20.000 I'm like, man, I don't know about all that.

01:09:22.000 I don't seem naturally flexible.

01:09:23.000 I see my mom.

01:09:25.000 I see my sister.

01:09:26.000 They're not any...

01:09:27.000 But I've done it my whole life, so I've become...

01:09:30.000 But there was this guy that used to work out at our gym, and he was really like...

01:09:36.000 Very dedicated athlete.

01:09:38.000 He's a pro football player who retired and started getting into jiu-jitsu.

01:09:41.000 And he had massive flexibility issues.

01:09:43.000 For a while, but this guy was such a dedicated athlete that he would get after practice, he would do his training, and then he would stretch.

01:09:53.000 Like, painful stretches.

01:09:54.000 You could see that guy putting way more time into it.

01:09:57.000 And then, like, a year later, he's doing the splits.

01:09:59.000 And, you know, I pointed it to everybody in the class.

01:10:02.000 I go, I don't want to hear anybody tell me you can't get flexible. 0.99

01:10:05.000 Because this fucking guy got flexible in a year. 0.99

01:10:07.000 Like, in a year, this guy was this giant 250-pound, like, giant quads, like, all stiff from all these years of deadlifting and all that jazz. 0.99

01:10:15.000 And this guy figured out, like, hey, in order to get good at jiu-jitsu, I'm going to have to really stretch.

01:10:20.000 We all used him as an example.

01:10:22.000 Okay, now I know.

01:10:23.000 It can be done, but you've got to really do it. 0.94

01:10:26.000 It's going to suck.

01:10:28.000 It's not going to feel comfortable. 0.95

01:10:30.000 You're going to have to stretch that tissue out.

01:10:32.000 Yeah, it's frequency.

01:10:34.000 I think the easiest way to say it is it's all changeable, but you have to be super diligent.

01:10:38.000 It's about the amount of time that you're asking your body to do something.

01:10:42.000 If you imagine the shape of whatever kick...

01:10:45.000 Yeah.

01:11:01.000 And you want to just be imagining the shape that you're trying to make and you're just pushing the limits of the tissue because you've been doing it so long, you have the parts.

01:11:11.000 Your muscle mass becomes longer and shorter as necessary.

01:11:15.000 The orientation of the bone in its socket and all the support tissues, it takes a while to adapt.

01:11:20.000 It takes a year.

01:11:21.000 It's not like, I've been doing this for six weeks, when is it going to get better?

01:11:24.000 It's like you've been not doing it for 40 years.

01:11:27.000 You just have to look at it more in terms of time, like realistic time in physiology.

01:11:32.000 I think anyone can really accomplish some serious physiological, physical transformations, but again, not in that one hour that they allow themselves three times a week.

01:11:43.000 It's got to be bigger.

01:11:44.000 Well, everybody wants a pill.

01:11:45.000 Sure. 1.00

01:11:45.000 You know, I mean, let's fucking Dr. Oz, every time you see him on TVs, pushing some goddamn diet pill. 1.00

01:11:51.000 They dragged him in front of Congress because of that shit. 1.00

01:11:53.000 He was lying about miracle diet pills. 1.00

01:11:56.000 But that's the real issue with our culture, is we want to eat things to lose weight.

01:12:00.000 Yeah.

01:12:01.000 You know, we want to put more food in our fat faces, and we just want, oh, this diet is going to make you lose weight.

01:12:07.000 Oh, okay.

01:12:08.000 Okay.

01:12:09.000 But what you're doing by telling people that you can have a pill and lose weight, what you're doing is denying the reality of change.

01:12:17.000 And that change requires time and effort.

01:12:20.000 And you can't just pop something in there and get a shot and everything goes away and all your fat shrinks away.

01:12:28.000 There's this friend...

01:12:32.000 She got liposuction and didn't eat it.

01:12:37.000 I mean, she might have been 20 pounds overweight, like maybe, if that, like that's a few months of dedication. 1.00

01:12:44.000 That's it.

01:12:45.000 Just a few months of, let's watch our diet, let's, you know, and you know, she's got kids and blah, blah, blah, and she, you know, has a business and blah, blah, blah. 0.99

01:12:53.000 She doesn't have that much time, but You had a fucking vacuum stuffed under your skin and they sucked all the fat out. 1.00

01:13:01.000 And now you gotta wear a girdle and they gotta wear these compression shorts and shit and everything's all fucked up and lumpy and like, it's crazy. 1.00

01:13:08.000 Ooze and pus, she has a drain on her leg because the fat that they suck out of it, like everything gets infected and it's all fucking pussy and shit. 1.00

01:13:18.000 You're going to go through two months of rehabilitation. 1.00

01:13:21.000 You're going to recover.

01:13:22.000 It's going to take you, like, yeah, you look slightly thinner right away, but at what cost?

01:13:29.000 Yeah.

01:13:29.000 But the instantaneous nature of the gratification of just going to the doctor, all right, you're going to suck it all out, right?

01:13:35.000 Like the same thing as the doctor telling me, oh, we're going to have to fuse your disc.

01:13:38.000 Like, you're going to what?

01:13:40.000 Wait a minute, I'm moving around.

01:13:42.000 There's no way to fix this.

01:13:43.000 It's just going to get worse.

01:13:45.000 They always say it's just going to get worse. 1.00

01:13:47.000 Well, if I continue to do the same shit that made it bad, it's just going to get worse, right? 0.99

01:13:53.000 Well, isn't there some sort of a way to change that? 1.00

01:13:58.000 But nobody thinks about it that way.

01:13:59.000 Everybody wants instantaneous gratification.

01:14:02.000 We're in a weird space right now where we want to be better in the very same habit, doing the same things that got us to where we are in the first place.

01:14:11.000 It's so weird.

01:14:12.000 It's like, when does that work anywhere else?

01:14:16.000 This is what has happened.

01:14:18.000 This is the ramifications of all those things that you did.

01:14:21.000 So the solution, the pill is really so that I don't have to change any of those things that got me there.

01:14:27.000 Everyone should take a class in human physiology or something.

01:14:31.000 Well, there's also the reality of life, though, of work.

01:14:35.000 You know, most people have a job that requires them to stay in a spot, and it's really difficult to do anything about that.

01:14:41.000 I have this Jarvis desk, not this one, but over there in the other room, that Jamie set up.

01:14:46.000 You press a button, and it stands with you.

01:14:49.000 So like as you're at your office you can do this and you can just go back and sit down and you move around.

01:14:54.000 The idea is to give yourself like a couple of minutes sitting, a couple of minutes standing and keep moving.

01:14:59.000 Like is that effective?

01:15:01.000 That's amazing.

01:15:01.000 Yes.

01:15:02.000 So there's like a whole, if you just talk about your office, I'm not, I like the standing workstation, right?

01:15:08.000 So the sitting kills stuff.

01:15:09.000 Sitting's worse than smoking.

01:15:10.000 Then everyone's like, I'm never going to sit down ever.

01:15:13.000 It's not worse, right?

01:15:14.000 I don't know.

01:15:15.000 What if you chain smoke?

01:15:17.000 Well, you've been chain sitting for a long time. 1.00

01:15:19.000 Well, if you chain smoke and chain sit, then you're fucked. 0.99

01:15:21.000 Well, maybe smoking's been saving your life by going outside for a smoke break. 1.00

01:15:26.000 Those small walks.

01:15:27.000 You know, now the literature is like, make sure you take a small walk every 20 minutes.

01:15:30.000 Like, that times perfectly with a cigarette break.

01:15:32.000 And since it's the old smoking, it's the old smoking.

01:15:36.000 But could you imagine someone telling you, you know, I'll work in your office, but I've got to take a walk every 20 minutes. 1.00

01:15:41.000 Like, fuck off. 1.00

01:15:42.000 You're not going to get anything done. 1.00

01:15:44.000 I tell people all the time that they should do their phone calls walking.

01:15:44.000 You know what?

01:15:49.000 Like, save up your phone calls and then just go out and just take a 20-minute stroll or whatever.

01:15:55.000 And then you'd be like, gotta stop right here because I don't have service if I keep walking.

01:15:59.000 Yeah, see, I live in the city.

01:16:01.000 It's all different now.

01:16:02.000 Yeah.

01:16:02.000 I don't know where these things are.

01:16:03.000 Well, where you live in, do you get cell phone service?

01:16:06.000 I do.

01:16:06.000 Do you?

01:16:07.000 Yeah, everywhere has cell phone service now.

01:16:09.000 Even China, right?

01:16:10.000 Everywhere.

01:16:11.000 That can't be good.

01:16:12.000 Is that bad?

01:16:13.000 It's bad for bees. 0.99

01:16:15.000 Cell phone service?

01:16:16.000 Yeah.

01:16:17.000 You know what?

01:16:18.000 That whole EMF thing, they wanted to put some EMF weapons up in our woods there, so that it's like, there's no literature that shows that they're bad for the body, so we're going to put some EMF weapons, and it's like, what?

01:16:31.000 That's crazy.

01:16:32.000 Yeah, I've seen some interesting studies.

01:16:35.000 Clearly, it's doing something.

01:16:37.000 So the easiest tissue to test is sperm, because you can get as much sperm to test, and you can It's ethical, I guess, to expose it to EMF. I'm just going to throw it away anyway.

01:16:50.000 So you can take two sperm samples and you can put one next to a phone or you can have a guy wear a phone on his hip and the sperm is different after having it. 0.63

01:17:02.000 So they don't know if it's the heat of the device because there's a device in your pocket.

01:17:06.000 A lot of people carry it right there in their pocket.

01:17:08.000 Or right there in their shirt pockets, you know.

01:17:11.000 Whether it's the heat or the EMF, they haven't really broken it down and I've seen some other smaller studies on fetuses, you know, where they make the mother have A device and wear a device to see what the cells look like.

01:17:27.000 The data is pointing that there is some sort of change.

01:17:33.000 With all that kind of stuff, it's like the dose that makes the poison.

01:17:35.000 How much?

01:17:36.000 Is the change significant?

01:17:38.000 What's going to happen with that sperm that's different?

01:17:40.000 Nobody knows any of that, so I guess just say, well, use your phone.

01:17:44.000 I turn my phone off.

01:17:46.000 I put it on airplane mode if it's going to be by my head when I go to sleep, and other than that, I don't keep it On my body or near my body.

01:17:53.000 Why do you keep it by your head?

01:17:55.000 To wake you up?

01:17:55.000 Well, yeah, like if it's my alarm or whatever.

01:17:57.000 So I tell people, like, you can use it for an alarm.

01:17:59.000 You can turn it off so that it's not transmitting anything.

01:18:03.000 Right, but is it still generating heat?

01:18:04.000 Well, it's not touching me anymore, so it's not on my skin.

01:18:08.000 But if you're carrying it in your pocket?

01:18:10.000 If you're carrying it in your pocket, it would still be...

01:18:12.000 It generates heat more, I think, when it's transmitting. 0.96

01:18:15.000 Imagine if people just show up, like, years from now, everyone has ass cancer in your back pocket area. 0.99

01:18:21.000 Their hips are all aligned but now they have ass cancer? 1.00

01:18:23.000 I think like Sheryl Crow has brain cancer and she was saying that they were trying to attribute it to or possibly attribute it to when she was doing press for her first CD was the old days of cell phones and she did all of it through her mobile phone. 0.94

01:18:40.000 She had it up to her head the entire time and it's that side of her head that she has the issue with.

01:18:46.000 I think that we do a lot of stuff that we have no idea how it's gonna You know trickle down if you think about it like everywhere we go you're experiencing Wi-Fi signals radio signals You know I don't know how does the satellite thing work?

01:19:04.000 I mean you have to kind of like have a an antenna or a dish that points up to where the Satellite is sending the signal But I mean is that signal somehow or another getting here whether it hits your dish or not?

01:19:15.000 Is it getting to bodies?

01:19:17.000 It's we know that cell phone signals fuck with bees That's one of the things that they figured out when they were trying to figure out what's killing off all these honeybees. 0.96

01:19:26.000 Most things point towards pesticides and disease, but there's also some issue that we might be constantly fucking with their navigation and their ability to communicate. 0.98

01:19:38.000 It's almost like living next door to people that are just playing loud rock music all day.

01:19:44.000 Do you survive?

01:19:45.000 Yes, you do.

01:19:46.000 But does it fuck with the quality of your life? 0.51

01:19:48.000 Yeah, it does.

01:19:49.000 Because bees have this weird way of communicating with each other that seems to be interfering.

01:19:56.000 The cellular systems that we have seems to be interfering with that.

01:20:00.000 They've shown it with sonar and the whales.

01:20:04.000 Everything is just messed up by these signals that we're creating for Whatever, you know, they're tangible.

01:20:11.000 They're invisible.

01:20:12.000 I think it's just because they're invisible.

01:20:13.000 We just don't think of invisible things having any sort of impact.

01:20:17.000 Like, wrap me up in something.

01:20:18.000 I want to be pounding against my head, but if I can't see it, how much could it really be harming me?

01:20:24.000 Meanwhile, everyone's writing out this huge list of things that are wrong with them and what they're searching for, and we're just flapping on a...

01:20:30.000 Well, it's just idiopathic or genetic or whatever.

01:20:33.000 It has no cause.

01:20:34.000 No known cause.

01:20:35.000 It's normal.

01:20:35.000 It just happens.

01:20:36.000 And it's like, yeah, but so are cell phone towers, so are chairs and all this other stuff.

01:20:41.000 Well, there's a weird feeling that you get when you get to a completely deserted place, like a real wilderness place with total quiet, no cell phone service, no nothing.

01:20:52.000 Yeah.

01:20:54.000 There's this weird absence of input that you feel different.

01:20:59.000 You're like, wow, this feels weird.

01:21:00.000 I gotta get out of here.

01:21:01.000 It feels like desolate.

01:21:03.000 It feels so unforgiving. 0.99

01:21:07.000 It just doesn't give a fuck if you're around or not around. 0.99

01:21:10.000 It's like that silence for whatever. 0.98

01:21:12.000 It's almost like people that are afraid to be alone.

01:21:14.000 You have to be out at parties all the time.

01:21:15.000 You gotta constantly be talking to people on the phone. 1.00

01:21:17.000 When you're alone, then you have to deal with your own bullshit. 0.99

01:21:19.000 When you go to those true wilderness areas with no cell phone service, it's like, oh, okay. 0.99

01:21:26.000 It's a little scary.

01:21:27.000 Yeah.

01:21:27.000 This is real.

01:21:28.000 We try to go dark like two days a week.

01:21:30.000 Dark?

01:21:31.000 Dark. 0.73

01:21:31.000 In the family? 0.73

01:21:32.000 Tech dark.

01:21:33.000 Yes.

01:21:33.000 The Bowman family?

01:21:34.000 The Bowman family.

01:21:35.000 The Bowman family goes dark two days a week and you just go out and spend more time outside than inside and that's the great thing about having the wilderness there is like huge trees, old growth.

01:21:46.000 Trees have been around for a long time and one time it was windy and trees were falling down.

01:21:51.000 It's like trees are falling down.

01:21:53.000 We are in the wilderness.

01:21:54.000 It's insane.

01:21:54.000 Don't get hit by them.

01:21:57.000 Well, if it happens, it happens.

01:21:59.000 Yeah, you say that until you get hit by a tree.

01:22:01.000 Well, you don't say anything. 0.98

01:22:02.000 Then you're like, how the fuck could I have avoided that? 0.80

01:22:03.000 You don't have that laissez-faire, if it happens, it happens, whatever. 0.97

01:22:06.000 Maybe, maybe, maybe a run.

01:22:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:10.000 Fuck getting hit by an old-growth tree. 1.00

01:22:12.000 What a way to go. 1.00

01:22:13.000 Yeah, we were out and one fell, and it sounded like a gunshot went off, and we had determined that it was a tree that fell.

01:22:19.000 It was up in Canada.

01:22:20.000 Yeah.

01:22:21.000 But it was like, boom!

01:22:22.000 We're like, is somebody out here shooting? 0.99

01:22:23.000 Like, what the fuck is that? 0.99

01:22:25.000 And the guy that we were with was like, I don't think so. 0.99

01:22:28.000 I think that's a tree.

01:22:29.000 Were they felling trees?

01:22:30.000 It just fell.

01:22:30.000 No.

01:22:32.000 Just fucking had its time. 0.99

01:22:34.000 That's what happens. 0.99

01:22:34.000 The wind was blowing. 0.99

01:22:35.000 It's like, that's enough.

01:22:36.000 I'm tapping out.

01:22:38.000 Boom! 0.99

01:22:39.000 And it just came down.

01:22:40.000 I mean, you find them all over the place.

01:22:41.000 Right.

01:22:42.000 There are so many trees.

01:22:43.000 But that reality that this thing has been there before Columbus ever get near America, I mean, especially where you are in the Pacific Northwest, you're dealing with, you know, some of those trees are like a thousand years old.

01:22:56.000 Well, almost the whole planet used to be wooded, right?

01:22:58.000 We've cut everything down.

01:22:59.000 It was almost all wooded.

01:23:01.000 You couldn't even walk.

01:23:04.000 Like up in British Columbia up there, it was so thick.

01:23:07.000 All of the trees falling down for years, all that moss and stuff that you're walking on is just old.

01:23:13.000 We're good to go.

01:23:29.000 For ocean ships, like all of the British military ships came from lumber from the Pacific Northwest.

01:23:37.000 Once they realized that they had that commodity, they were using mink and otter furs, what brought everyone to the Pacific Northwest.

01:23:45.000 They cleaned all them out and they were like, what can we ship now?

01:23:47.000 They would.

01:23:48.000 And then they shipped it out and they were milling it.

01:23:52.000 So when you mill it, The mass of the tree is lost in between the boards, so it's sawdust.

01:23:59.000 And so sawdust was clogging all the rivers, and there was a big fire.

01:24:03.000 And then the fire just went across the United States because there was no natural water barriers anymore.

01:24:10.000 It just burnt it down, kind of like your cartilage, right?

01:24:13.000 You can use some cartilage, it grows back, but if you take it all the way down to the bottom to the base cells, no more is coming back.

01:24:19.000 So that's really where that rock...

01:24:21.000 They use a lot of sawdust now.

01:24:24.000 It's really cool.

01:24:24.000 Have you ever used a pellet grill?

01:24:26.000 You know what a pellet grill is?

01:24:27.000 I know.

01:24:27.000 Oh, they're amazing.

01:24:29.000 There's this company, a bunch of companies make them, but one of them that I'm friends with is Green Mountain Grills.

01:24:34.000 And these pellet grills, they take hardwood pellets.

01:24:37.000 And it's basically sawdust, and they press it, and the natural sugars allow it to maintain this shape of like, it's almost like kitty litter.

01:24:45.000 If you have a cat, I have a cat who uses pine litter.

01:24:48.000 It looks real similar to the stuff that you, you put it in this pellet grill.

01:24:51.000 It's all digitally regulated, so it can keep the temperature like 200 degrees, can keep it for like seven hours with this like pot of of pellets and it's like super efficient and it's a smoker it's essentially a grill slash smoker but instead of like if you ever use an old-school smoker like one of those big barrel smokers those are pain in the ass like you gotta like regulate the openings the valves and make sure you get the right amount of temperature you gotta keep thermometers in there and in the old days it was super difficult to figure out how hot everything was you

01:25:22.000 know and then they figured out how to put meat thermometers actually in the meat and have digital ones that come outside and give you a reading but These pellet smokers, essentially they take all that hardwood sawdust that used to be just waste and compress it into these little pellets and then use it to cook with.

01:25:38.000 Smart.

01:25:39.000 Yeah, it's pretty cool.

01:25:40.000 And it tastes really good too when you cook it with it because it's real.

01:25:44.000 That's the big issue with using any sort of lighter fluid or anything like those ones that are like...

01:25:51.000 Easy match, charcoal briquettes.

01:25:54.000 Those are all chemicals in those things.

01:25:56.000 You can smell it.

01:25:56.000 You can taste it.

01:25:57.000 Yeah, but this stuff, you don't smell any of it.

01:26:01.000 But it is, you know, this is the reality of chopping down trees.

01:26:05.000 It just looks gross and it makes you feel sad when you see it.

01:26:08.000 But your house is warm.

01:26:09.000 Because you chop down trees.

01:26:10.000 Well, I mean, it's, yeah.

01:26:15.000 It's sad to be up there and to drive by a forest that's not there anymore.

01:26:19.000 Yeah, those cut blocks, those gigantic chunks.

01:26:21.000 But they kind of regulate that, right?

01:26:23.000 They only allow you to do it in certain spots, then they regrow them.

01:26:26.000 Well, but they're regrowing them.

01:26:27.000 It's the same thing with any sort of management.

01:26:30.000 They're being replanted with stuff that's going to be cut down, and it's a different kind of tree.

01:26:35.000 It's like a non-native kind of tree.

01:26:37.000 It's the fast-growing kind, right?

01:26:39.000 So it's trying to get it up.

01:26:40.000 It's like a commodity.

01:26:41.000 So get it planted and get it back up so we can...

01:26:41.000 It's just a commodity.

01:26:44.000 Cut it down again, but that old wood, there's nothing like old growth.

01:26:48.000 It's just been around forever.

01:26:51.000 Yeah, there's nothing like being in those forests, too, because you really do get that sense that, wow, this was here long before the wheel, or long before, rather, the engine, or long before boats came over here.

01:27:02.000 I mean, this stuff, not before the wheel.

01:27:04.000 There's no 6,000-year-old trees, right?

01:27:06.000 No, I don't think so.

01:27:08.000 What's the oldest tree?

01:27:09.000 I don't know.

01:27:09.000 Let's find out.

01:27:10.000 What do you guess, if you had a guess?

01:27:14.000 It'd be like a sequoia or a redwood or something.

01:27:18.000 How old do you think it would be?

01:27:20.000 There's trees...

01:27:21.000 Whoa.

01:27:22.000 Methuselah, a brittle cone pine tree from California's White Mountains, is thought to be 5,000 years old.

01:27:28.000 Oh, there you go.

01:27:30.000 The oldest non...

01:27:32.000 non-clonal?

01:27:34.000 I don't know what that means.

01:27:35.000 Non-clonal tree in the world.

01:27:37.000 The exact location of the gnarled twisted...

01:27:39.000 It's kept secret for its protection.

01:27:43.000 Huh.

01:27:44.000 There's a tree that...

01:27:45.000 People are so gross, you have to not tell them where the old tree is.

01:27:49.000 Because they'll go cut it down. 0.97

01:27:50.000 I want to make my smoking chair out of that tree. 1.00

01:27:55.000 Yeah, some asshole will go and use it to make his headboard of that stupid tree. 1.00

01:28:00.000 5,000 years old. 1.00

01:28:01.000 So that's a good answer. 1.00

01:28:02.000 That's a goddamn old tree. 0.99

01:28:04.000 That's really old. 1.00

01:28:05.000 That's probably the wheel.

01:28:06.000 There's probably wheels, circles all around it.

01:28:08.000 Yeah.

01:28:09.000 Yeah.

01:28:11.000 But that's just being around something that predates most of human history.

01:28:17.000 Just...

01:28:18.000 Knowing that this thing was a seed and that seed became this tree and it's just seeing this entire world change during the time that it's been living and breathing in carbon dioxide and breathing out oxygen.

01:28:30.000 It's very freaky.

01:28:32.000 That's something you get with old growth trees that you're not going to get with those cut blocks that are refurbished with these new little shitty pine trees that are little tags on them and stuff. 0.99

01:28:43.000 It's kind of fucked. 0.98

01:28:44.000 That's just a weird thing about people. 0.99

01:28:47.000 If we don't put regulations on stuff, that's why it's really cool.

01:28:51.000 Have you ever been to Boulder, Colorado?

01:28:53.000 They don't really allow people to build Like, you don't see any apartment buildings in the mountains.

01:28:58.000 You don't see, like, they have a very strict amount of construction that they allow in.

01:29:05.000 And they're very strict about it.

01:29:06.000 And they buy up space.

01:29:08.000 When people have, like, space, land that's for sale, like, Boulder County will actually buy that land and make sure that it remains open space so that nobody can ever build on it.

01:29:17.000 But you kind of have to do that to keep people from fucking the whole thing up, you know?

01:29:23.000 I wonder why no one wants to go to Alaska.

01:29:25.000 It's like the last frontier.

01:29:27.000 There's some space up there.

01:29:28.000 Yeah, but everyone's scared of bears.

01:29:29.000 That's true.

01:29:31.000 Alaska is like the Wild West.

01:29:31.000 Alaska's freaky.

01:29:34.000 It is like the Wild West up there.

01:29:36.000 The people are really cool, though.

01:29:38.000 Have you spent time in Alaska?

01:29:40.000 No.

01:29:40.000 My husband did a big motorcycle trip.

01:29:42.000 They did a big motorcycle trip all around there, and they were just in some kind of backcountry, and it was like, everyone here is just like...

01:29:51.000 They are like the cowboys.

01:29:53.000 Whatever that spirit is, they're going there because there's less rules, more space, more quiet.

01:29:59.000 We went to the movies at midnight and it was bright outside. 0.96

01:30:02.000 This is fucking strange. 0.98

01:30:04.000 It was the middle of July. 0.99

01:30:05.000 It was really weird.

01:30:07.000 We did a comedy show up there.

01:30:08.000 We got out of the show.

01:30:09.000 It was 2, 3 o'clock in the morning.

01:30:11.000 Bright out.

01:30:12.000 See everything.

01:30:13.000 It's very strange.

01:30:14.000 And the people up there, they're so...

01:30:17.000 It's like... 0.87

01:30:18.000 There's a sense of community, even in a city like Anchorage, that you don't really see in a lot of cities down here because their reality is, yeah, well, every now and then a moose comes into town and kicks the shit out of some people at a supermarket.

01:30:32.000 Or a bear attacks someone that's in the wrong place at the wrong time.

01:30:36.000 Or, you know, it's just this is the reality that they live in.

01:30:39.000 They all have to kind of band together because every now and then...

01:30:42.000 If you see a car broken down the side of the road, you get out and help that person because that could be you.

01:30:47.000 Whereas if you're leaving here and you get on the 101, you see some guy broken down, you don't even think for a second.

01:30:53.000 Let me pull over.

01:30:54.000 There's a hundred million people driving by.

01:30:57.000 No one's thinking, let me go help that guy.

01:30:59.000 But if you're in Alaska and that's the only car you've seen for 20 minutes, you pull over.

01:31:03.000 Hey, you okay?

01:31:04.000 What's going on?

01:31:05.000 You need a call?

01:31:06.000 There's a sense of community because of their harsh conditions because of the environment they're in.

01:31:11.000 Yeah, you need people.

01:31:13.000 I mean, you really do need a tribal situation.

01:31:16.000 If you're spread out a little bit, you know, you have your claim or your space, but when you need help, it's going to have to be some other person that's going to have to come help you.

01:31:28.000 But don't you think it's kind of healthier to be in a place where there's like, you know the term diffusion of responsibility, the idea being that it's easier to attack someone in front of a thousand people than it is in front of one person, because one person feels obligated to help,

01:31:43.000 whereas a thousand people say, someone should jump in and do something.

01:31:47.000 But nobody does anything because they don't feel like they have to because there's so many other folks.

01:31:51.000 Isn't that kind of like what you get if you're in a big city as opposed to like maybe where you live or maybe Alaska or just there's a number that's manageable?

01:32:02.000 Yeah.

01:32:03.000 I mean, I like the town that we live in.

01:32:05.000 I grew up in a small town and I was in Southern California for a long time and never really felt...

01:32:11.000 Connected is the easiest word, but now that I'm out there in a little bit more rugged or wilderness, you know, I feel safe knowing that there are neighbors or community members.

01:32:26.000 I feel more safe there, I think, than I feel in the big city.

01:32:33.000 Yeah, it totally makes sense.

01:32:35.000 I think big cities are a new thing, you know, as far as human beings, like our DNA. We've only had them for a few hundred years.

01:32:43.000 Yeah, what's the biggest city?

01:32:45.000 It's probably something in China.

01:32:47.000 Like, as far as population-wise, I mean, LA is kind of huge, but it's really spread out.

01:32:54.000 I mean, it's a city, but it's a weird thing.

01:32:54.000 It's not...

01:32:56.000 It's like a giant suburb.

01:32:58.000 You know, I mean, to look at the city aspect of LA, you've got...

01:33:02.000 Like, downtown LA is what we think of as a city, but because of the fact that there's earthquakes, everything's only one level out here, or two levels at most, except for downtown.

01:33:10.000 And you have a few office buildings here and there, but if you look at, like, the landscape, it's a lot of, like, flat things.

01:33:17.000 I would say probably the biggest is, like, Singapore or something like that.

01:33:21.000 What is it, Hong Kong?

01:33:21.000 Delhi, India's got, it says at least 25 million.

01:33:24.000 Jesus Christ.

01:33:25.000 Do you know your neighbors really well? 1.00

01:33:27.000 My neighbor's a douchebag. 0.99

01:33:29.000 So you do? 1.00

01:33:30.000 Yeah.

01:33:31.000 I know one neighbor.

01:33:33.000 I know a couple neighbors.

01:33:34.000 There's a few people that live on my block that I know that I'm friendly with.

01:33:37.000 People don't go outside.

01:33:39.000 I think it might even be less about numbers and more about how many people go outside or not.

01:33:43.000 Because it seems to me like in big cities, or even suburbs of big cities, everyone just pulls their car into their garage, they close their garage, and then they're in their house, and then...

01:33:55.000 If they're outside, they're in their backyard with their small family, that there's not these large communities of people that are interacting outside.

01:34:03.000 So maybe you could have that safety or everyone taking responsibility for people that you live with because you consider yourself living with them because you see them and you're next to them in some place.

01:34:18.000 But if you're in Alaska, I imagine that even if you Even if you're up there by yourself, you're still spending so much time outside because you still have to get so much for yourself, I imagine.

01:34:30.000 Or at least get out to go pick it up wherever it's being shipped in.

01:34:30.000 Yeah.

01:34:33.000 Well, there's definitely that.

01:34:35.000 It's much more expensive to get things up there, get food and groceries and things along those lines, especially the more rural you get, the more problematic it is to get things delivered. 0.88

01:34:45.000 You know, when I say my neighbor's a douchebag, you know, he's not a bad guy, he's just kind of goofy.

01:34:49.000 But there's some people in my neighborhood that are very cool. 0.74

01:34:52.000 Like, you know, I see them, and it's nice.

01:34:53.000 It's nice to have a community where, you know, you go up the street and you see Bob.

01:34:57.000 Hey, man, what's going on?

01:34:58.000 What are you doing?

01:34:58.000 You still working on that?

01:34:59.000 Oh, that's cool, blah, blah, blah.

01:35:00.000 And it's nice.

01:35:01.000 You have this little sort of relationship with it.

01:35:03.000 But I didn't choose these people.

01:35:05.000 I just moved in and got lucky that some of them were okay.

01:35:09.000 Became friends with some of them along the way.

01:35:11.000 But it's like, ideally, I've always said, the really smart thing to do would be get together with all your friends and loved ones and say, hey, let's all live in this area.

01:35:19.000 Let's all move to this one street.

01:35:21.000 Is that possible to do?

01:35:22.000 Let's get together and...

01:35:23.000 But nobody ever really does that.

01:35:25.000 I've had 15 of those conversations with my friends.

01:35:28.000 And with my friend Brian, he just moved out in my neighborhood.

01:35:31.000 And I'm like, come look on my block. 0.99

01:35:33.000 And the fucking guy moved like 10 miles away. 1.00

01:35:36.000 I'm like, why'd you move over there, dummy? 1.00

01:35:37.000 Oh, my wife likes to be close to the grocery store. 1.00

01:35:40.000 Fucking grocery store? 1.00

01:35:41.000 You're going to get in your car anyway, dummy. 1.00

01:35:42.000 If you get in your car for 30 seconds or 3 minutes, is it really that much of a difference?

01:35:47.000 And maybe that was the idea, like with neighborhoods, that you would be living with people like you.

01:35:51.000 You're all going to the same place for work, and everyone goes to the same school.

01:35:55.000 But now your neighborhood is just full of all... 1.00

01:35:57.000 It's such a transient time.

01:35:59.000 And also big houses.

01:36:01.000 I think, you know, in New York, I have friends who, they go out to eat for most of their meals, right?

01:36:06.000 Their houses aren't large, and so they're forced by a lack of space.

01:36:11.000 Again, it's kind of one of those just space things where you have to go out and Commune with other people and you have your seven favorite places and then by default those become your little community, but here you can you can sustain yourself entirely within your Your house and your compound and just made it so we don't have to really interact with anyone anymore.

01:36:33.000 Yes, that's a big thing with people.

01:36:35.000 They like to be sustained and they like to have all their stuff that they need.

01:36:40.000 I mean, that's what that's the prepper instinct, right?

01:36:42.000 I've got enough food here for a year. 0.99

01:36:44.000 Like everybody's got this idea that if the shit goes down, I'm gonna be fine. 0.98

01:36:47.000 I'm gonna just stockpile and just have a gun turret on my roof. 0.99

01:36:51.000 I'm gonna be fine.

01:36:53.000 But living in New York City, I think, is the worst case scenario.

01:36:57.000 I have a friend who lives in New York.

01:36:58.000 He can't even put his golf clubs in his apartment.

01:37:00.000 He's got no room.

01:37:00.000 He has to put it all in storage.

01:37:02.000 So if he wants to play golf, he has to go to this storage place and open up his little spot with a key and go in and get his junk.

01:37:11.000 What are you doing?

01:37:12.000 You're living in a box.

01:37:13.000 Yeah, my post-apocalypto is less about hoarding, you know, like food or whatever, and more about assembling a team.

01:37:19.000 Like, I'm looking for skill sets.

01:37:20.000 Because a skill set you can take on the road and produce something with that skill set that is necessary.

01:37:26.000 So, I don't really care how much, what you got in your garage or how much canned food you have.

01:37:31.000 I care about, like, show me how fast you can clean a fish.

01:37:34.000 Who can make medicine out of herbs?

01:37:35.000 Like, that's kind of more my...

01:37:37.000 Those are the applications I'm taking now.

01:37:38.000 Who can make medicine out of herbs?

01:37:40.000 Is there any medicine any good that you can make out of herbs that you just start laying around?

01:37:43.000 Sure.

01:37:44.000 What have you ever made out of herbs?

01:37:45.000 Well, I mean, there's all sorts of things you can make out of herbs.

01:37:49.000 Can you make a mud pack?

01:37:50.000 Do you know of the things that are in nature?

01:37:54.000 That you can take.

01:37:56.000 What's edible?

01:37:56.000 What can you eat?

01:37:58.000 That's a big one.

01:37:59.000 Basic stuff like that.

01:38:00.000 What is out here that people have known about forever that no one knows about anymore?

01:38:06.000 How many Irish people starved with the potato famine because no one knew anything about the plants that were sitting right there that they could have stained themselves on the entire time?

01:38:14.000 Really?

01:38:15.000 They could have eaten other stuff?

01:38:15.000 Sure.

01:38:16.000 They had plenty of edible stuff.

01:38:18.000 They just didn't have the thing that they had always eaten beforehand.

01:38:21.000 Really? 0.93

01:38:22.000 That seems like ridiculous. 0.94

01:38:22.000 Sure. 0.94

01:38:24.000 There was plenty of food mass there to eat, but if the skill set is gone, then it's really easy to kill yourself trying to figure it out for the first time.

01:38:32.000 I'm sure you've seen Survivor Man.

01:38:34.000 You've seen that show?

01:38:34.000 Mm-hmm.

01:38:42.000 Like, you think, wow, the guy's in the woods, plenty of stuff to eat out there.

01:38:45.000 And you see him, like, foraging for food and trying to figure out how to, like, kill a squirrel with some sort of a rock that drops a little thing that, you know, he hits the switch and the rock falls on his head.

01:38:55.000 Yeah, not so good.

01:38:56.000 Doesn't really work that well.

01:38:57.000 No, and who is that guy that, uh...

01:39:00.000 Is it John McClannis, the guy who went out in the woods and then died in the bus?

01:39:04.000 They made a movie out of it, Into the Wild, right?

01:39:07.000 And so everyone's, like, hypothesizing about, like, his, you know, his death and, like, oh, he must have eaten this particular plant and got poisoned.

01:39:13.000 And all the wild food experts are, it's like, he starved to death.

01:39:17.000 It's very simple.

01:39:17.000 He starved himself to death.

01:39:20.000 Like, one of the reasons humans have such a long...

01:39:22.000 Juvenile period compared to any other primate is getting food is hard and it takes a really long time to be taught how to get it like to have this information handed down into to get the skill the muscle if you will to be able to do it and you expend so much energy Trying to get it that you have to eat not only to cover that energy,

01:39:42.000 but enough to go beyond that a little bit.

01:39:45.000 And then if you're, you know, making kids or whatever, then there's all this extra stuff and it's very hard and no one here has ever done it, ever.

01:39:53.000 Yeah, we really got soft when it comes to that.

01:39:56.000 The ability to feed yourself without a supermarket.

01:40:00.000 It's a very monumentally difficult task to do for the average person.

01:40:04.000 It is.

01:40:04.000 That movie really pissed me off because they twisted the Into the Wild, they twisted the ending because in the movie he eats a poisonous plant and he gets sick and he dies.

01:40:14.000 He misidentifies the wrong plant and is liver toxic and he dies.

01:40:19.000 But the reality is he did starve to death. 0.99

01:40:22.000 Because it's fucking hard to get food. 0.99

01:40:23.000 Right. 0.99

01:40:24.000 Like, if you've ever gone hunting, like, one of the things that my friend Brian Cowan and I first realized, the first hunting trip that we went on, lucky we went with this guy, Steve Rinello, this famous hunter, but we were like, Jesus, like, how the fuck did they do this before they had guns?

01:40:39.000 Like, we have guns, and it's hard.

01:40:41.000 We have guns, and scopes, and binoculars, and a trained hunter, and we know the territory, and we have...

01:40:49.000 We have tags, so they know there's deer in the area. 0.85

01:40:54.000 There's all these things that are on our side and still fucking for days with no success. 1.00

01:41:00.000 If you didn't have food with you and you were going on these days with no success, you would be fucked. 1.00

01:41:06.000 You would starve. 1.00

01:41:08.000 It could be really easy to starve to death. 0.96

01:41:10.000 And that's with a gun.

01:41:12.000 Like, with a gun, it's easy to starve.

01:41:14.000 Without a gun? 0.98

01:41:16.000 When you hear about someone that's, like, survived in the woods by themselves for, like, 20 years, like, eating frogs and shit, you're like, what? 0.97

01:41:23.000 How did that guy do it? 0.92

01:41:25.000 Like, that had to be, like, touch and go almost every day.

01:41:28.000 Very few stockpiles, like, very, I mean, how much could you store?

01:41:32.000 You could only store, like, a couple days' worth of vegetables or plant matter before that starts to go bad.

01:41:39.000 Meat, depending on the temperature, usually only good for...

01:41:42.000 Unless it's freezing cold out, it's not good for more than a couple of days. 0.99

01:41:47.000 You have to constantly be on the move, which is why cities weren't really figured out until we figured out how to stockpile shit. 0.99

01:41:55.000 Once they figured out how to stockpile shit and... 0.99

01:41:57.000 Like, okay, we have a grain silo. 1.00

01:42:00.000 We have enough food for a week.

01:42:01.000 Hey, somebody should invent a way to make music out of a box.

01:42:04.000 You know, let's make a piano.

01:42:06.000 We get so much free time on our hands.

01:42:08.000 Yeah.

01:42:09.000 Yeah, no, that is the container.

01:42:12.000 Container.

01:42:13.000 I think of container-free life is kind of like my goal.

01:42:17.000 But isn't it kind of a catch-22?

01:42:18.000 It's like you need society and culture in order to figure out how to make a computer which allows you to learn about how to live in the wild.

01:42:29.000 You know, I mean, you need education in order to figure out what's going wrong with the human body by living in this sedentary lifestyle that you have to go through this sedentary lifestyle to get that education to figure out that it's not good for you.

01:42:46.000 Well, we've even begun to, I mean, that's what academia is like.

01:42:46.000 Yeah.

01:42:49.000 We're stockpiling information.

01:42:51.000 And now we've got to figure out a way to distribute it.

01:42:51.000 Right.

01:42:54.000 So it requires a whole new, I mean, society.

01:42:57.000 That's part of what civilization is, too, is someone knows something that you don't know and that you might want to know that you find valuable so you can go do some of his work for him so he'll tell you.

01:43:08.000 Do you think that ultimately the pattern that most people have chosen, this like 9 to 5 in a box and then sat in a car, is that going to be, do you think we'll realize somewhere down the line that that, like smoking, is like really bad for you and we should try to phase that out and try to,

01:43:25.000 or do you think we're so caught up in this idea of achievement and our momentum is so in that direction that we'll never pull away from it?

01:43:35.000 No, I think that we will.

01:43:38.000 I mean, I think that with European countries playing around with things like four-day work weeks, It doesn't take as much time as you're going to work.

01:43:49.000 You're probably not working.

01:43:50.000 At some point, someone, I hope, is going to stand up and say, I could do my job in three hours a day.

01:43:56.000 I think as businesses are laying off people or doing enforced furloughs, where they're saying, well, you now have four days to get the same job done, and you're going to have to take a 20% I think people are accepting that because now they get this extra day.

01:44:13.000 They're actually better for it.

01:44:15.000 They might have less money, but I think that if you've had some health issues, you usually end up valuing your health a little bit more.

01:44:23.000 It's always after.

01:44:24.000 I don't know if the up-and-comers will see it that way, but then for the up-and-comers, there's not a lot of jobs for those up-and-comers.

01:44:32.000 There's not even the option for 9-to-5 work for so many people now who Did what they were supposed to, you know, and they went to school or whatever, and they got a trade or a job.

01:44:41.000 There's no place for them.

01:44:43.000 So then they're going, well, I'll go back to school and try to get a better job.

01:44:46.000 So I think everything, I think everything, we're in a transition.

01:44:49.000 A lot of things are going to change.

01:44:50.000 And I think the work day in general with the commute, with the like digital commute, people being able to work from their computers, wherever they are, eventually corporations will see that it's cheaper, the cheaper for them to still make the same products.

01:45:05.000 Paying people less, but people get more free time.

01:45:08.000 Yeah, but people are always going to want more.

01:45:10.000 That's the thing.

01:45:11.000 It's like, I think if you could tell someone, hey, I could do the same job for three hours a day, they would be like, hmm, good.

01:45:19.000 That way I save money.

01:45:20.000 Like, no, but wait, I'm doing the same job.

01:45:22.000 If I'm doing the same job, you're making the same amount of money.

01:45:24.000 Yeah, but you're only working three hours a day.

01:45:26.000 You used to be working eight hours a day. 0.98

01:45:27.000 But I'm getting the same shit done. 0.78

01:45:29.000 But we don't really reward people. 0.97

01:45:32.000 Well, some jobs do, but most jobs, it's about the amount of hours you put in.

01:45:37.000 Yeah, well, I think that that person, though, who said I could do it in three hours a day is going to be replaced by someone who does.

01:45:42.000 Like, you'll just keep working.

01:45:44.000 You'll find someone who can do the job faster and for less.

01:45:48.000 And the only thing, keeping people who don't do that in their seats is maybe the law at a certain point, like who you can fire and who you can't fire if people are tenured or whatever.

01:46:00.000 Hasn't that been the transition for, like, the last 30 or 40 years where you're just paying people less?

01:46:06.000 Relatively speaking, you know, the dollar is different than what it was, but aren't we paying people less who are working way, like, who doesn't work like seven days a week?

01:46:14.000 Who goes home and doesn't still have their email on and still answering emails?

01:46:19.000 I think that they're getting a lot more work out of people for what they used to pay and that, in fact, they are paying people less.

01:46:27.000 That is an issue.

01:46:27.000 I have a friend who has an issue with his work because once he's done working, he will not answer emails.

01:46:34.000 He's like, when I'm done, I'm done.

01:46:36.000 And he's successful enough so that he can kind of pull this off, but it's a real issue.

01:46:40.000 They're like, well, we were trying to reach you all day.

01:46:42.000 He's like, I was done.

01:46:43.000 I'm done working.

01:46:45.000 When I'm done, I shut my email off, and I go places without cell phone service.

01:46:49.000 And he's like, well, what's going on?

01:46:51.000 Am I working for you guys 24 hours a day?

01:46:54.000 If they send him an email at 10 o'clock at night, they get upset if you respond to it in the morning.

01:46:58.000 They're like, I sent you this at 10 o'clock at night. 1.00

01:47:00.000 He's like, fuck you. 1.00

01:47:01.000 Right. 1.00

01:47:01.000 Okay, you don't own me, alright? 1.00

01:47:03.000 This is what we're doing.

01:47:04.000 I mean, he's in a weird position because he's, without outing him, he's a bigwig.

01:47:10.000 So his situation is very strange.

01:47:13.000 But his stance is not.

01:47:15.000 His stance is like the stance that a lot of people would like to take. 0.99

01:47:18.000 Like, when the fucking day's over, it's over. 0.99

01:47:20.000 You don't own me all through the night with email. 0.98

01:47:22.000 But that's like sort of creeped into people's life space.

01:47:26.000 Yeah.

01:47:27.000 Do you ever work with a company?

01:47:29.000 Has a company ever come to you and said, hey, we would like to ultimately, from the beginning of our company, we would like to engineer this thing to be a healthier environment for our employees?

01:47:39.000 What is a way we can get the most amount of productivity but also keep people as healthy as possible and give them an environment that's more conducive to just being an active, healthy person?

01:47:52.000 Yeah, sure.

01:47:53.000 You know, like, what are the...

01:47:54.000 I mean, there are simple things that people can do, employers can do to provide their employees with a healthier version, I guess, of the 9 to 5. You don't have to sit, like, roving desks.

01:48:06.000 Not having everyone at the same desk.

01:48:06.000 That was a big one.

01:48:09.000 It's like, going into the same desk every single day is...

01:48:15.000 It's an environmental killer.

01:48:16.000 You're looking at the same walls, you're looking at the same...

01:48:19.000 But I've got a picture of my dog up here, and I've got my wife on here, and there's my golf club, I've got my thing I put here.

01:48:25.000 It's all about the things.

01:48:27.000 People are just so attached to their way.

01:48:29.000 That's what keeps people working. 1.00

01:48:30.000 What keeps people working is buying new shit. 0.99

01:48:33.000 At the end of the week, I'm going to get that purse. 0.99

01:48:35.000 Woo-hoo! 1.00

01:48:36.000 That watch I've got my eye on.

01:48:38.000 Yeah!

01:48:39.000 That's what keeps people going. 0.98

01:48:40.000 Otherwise, they're like, why the fuck am I doing this? 0.58

01:48:42.000 Especially jobs they don't like. 0.80

01:48:44.000 Rewards are critical.

01:48:46.000 Right?

01:48:47.000 But then it turns out that they don't even like their reward that much because it's just on to the next reward.

01:48:51.000 How do we fix this, Katie?

01:48:53.000 I have a community that I am taking applications for.

01:48:56.000 Someone's opening a cult!

01:48:58.000 Your community up north?

01:49:01.000 You take applications for your community?

01:49:03.000 Well, applications are for my post-apocalypto team.

01:49:06.000 Oh, you're really banking on that, huh?

01:49:08.000 Well, you know what it is?

01:49:10.000 I really feel like I... It's like with shoes.

01:49:13.000 I wore regular shoes my whole entire life, and then you switch to something minimal, and you didn't even know how they...

01:49:19.000 How your feet were feeling all day long.

01:49:20.000 It's very hard to sense how something is limiting you until you take yourself out and away from it.

01:49:28.000 It's like going camping.

01:49:29.000 Everyone feels better when they go camping and they're out hiking.

01:49:32.000 It's like, I feel so good.

01:49:33.000 This thing that I had, this chronic headache, this vision problem, this irritation with my family or whatever it is, when you go outside and you camp, all of a sudden it's different.

01:49:43.000 You've changed it up enough where It's so different.

01:49:47.000 Well, I feel like that indoors now, after being outside so much, after spending so much time, like I can feel this chair right now.

01:49:58.000 I haven't sat in a chair continuously in probably two years.

01:50:03.000 What?

01:50:03.000 This is the only time you've sat now?

01:50:05.000 I got rid of my couch, right?

01:50:05.000 I don't have furniture.

01:50:07.000 What?

01:50:07.000 Yeah.

01:50:08.000 Oh, you're crazy. 1.00

01:50:09.000 Okay. 1.00

01:50:09.000 I know. 1.00

01:50:10.000 Now you know.

01:50:11.000 This show just took a turn. 1.00

01:50:13.000 You're a crazy person. 1.00

01:50:14.000 I don't have a couch. 1.00

01:50:14.000 You don't have a couch. 1.00

01:50:15.000 How do you watch Netflix?

01:50:17.000 Sitting on the floor in front of my laptop.

01:50:19.000 What?

01:50:20.000 You sit on a floor like some sort of barbarian? 0.75

01:50:23.000 Yeah.

01:50:24.000 For real?

01:50:25.000 For real.

01:50:25.000 Okay.

01:50:26.000 Do you have cable TV at home or are you just one of those weirdos? 0.81

01:50:29.000 We're one of those weirdos.

01:50:30.000 I get everything in.

01:50:30.000 Hmm.

01:50:31.000 I mean, I like Netflix and stuff.

01:50:33.000 Right.

01:50:33.000 But I don't have...

01:50:34.000 A guest with Netflix.

01:50:35.000 I just took a guess.

01:50:37.000 I love Netflix.

01:50:38.000 I love it.

01:50:39.000 Me too.

01:50:40.000 You can watch anything.

01:50:41.000 You don't need cable TV. Pretty close to anything.

01:50:44.000 You can find just about anything that you want to watch.

01:50:47.000 But, you know, I don't...

01:50:48.000 I'm a worker.

01:50:50.000 Like, I work a lot.

01:50:51.000 I'm very busy...

01:50:53.000 I participate in society.

01:50:55.000 So it's like, how can I do all those things and keep the pelvic shape and the low back shape that I wanted and the strength without having to go to do those things separately from my regular life?

01:51:09.000 So I just sit on the floor.

01:51:10.000 I mean, you've outsourced the work of your muscular system to your couch.

01:51:15.000 Now you have books.

01:51:16.000 How did you write those books?

01:51:17.000 On my laptop.

01:51:18.000 How did you sit?

01:51:19.000 In many different ways.

01:51:21.000 Not in one cross-legged, laying on my stomach.

01:51:24.000 Sometimes I'll sit in a chair or I'll stand at the counter.

01:51:28.000 Laying on your stomach?

01:51:29.000 Yeah.

01:51:29.000 That seems like it would be bad for your back.

01:51:31.000 It would if you worked that way exclusively, but not if you spent 20 minutes there.

01:51:36.000 You go do that and call it a yoga pose, right?

01:51:39.000 I would not call this a yoga pose.

01:51:40.000 Well, someone would.

01:51:41.000 Someone would call it some animal's name.

01:51:44.000 Right.

01:51:45.000 Downward praying manners or something, you know?

01:51:48.000 Yeah, so you just move around always in a different way.

01:51:52.000 Nothing completely sedentary or static.

01:51:55.000 Yeah, and it's because I don't think that we're, you know, we say we're too sedentary, and it's like, I would say that you have too much repetitive geometry, which is different, you know, so it's like, you got to get out of your couch and exercise, I would say, maybe you just get out of your couch, maybe you keep watching Netflix, just sit cross-legged on the floor.

01:52:12.000 Just put your legs out in front of you because that is movement.

01:52:14.000 That is exercise.

01:52:16.000 It's just not in a special clothing, in a class, in a gym.

01:52:19.000 Do your kids like, Mommy, I go over to my friend's house and they have chairs.

01:52:23.000 Why are we freaks?

01:52:24.000 No, they're a little freaky for everyone else, but they are.

01:52:29.000 No, they've never been sick.

01:52:31.000 Your kids have never been sick?

01:52:33.000 No.

01:52:33.000 What is that?

01:52:34.000 You got alien kids? 0.99

01:52:35.000 You don't bring them anywhere?

01:52:36.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:52:37.000 They travel all over the world.

01:52:39.000 How are they not getting sick?

01:52:40.000 Because you are a filtration system, and movement is your biggest filter changer.

01:52:46.000 And most people don't move at all.

01:52:47.000 They're too busy trying to figure out how to not be sick with these clogged up filters.

01:52:51.000 Like, your whole lymphatic system depends on movement to function.

01:52:55.000 Like, the biggest...

01:52:56.000 The physical movement portion of your immune system depends on movement.

01:53:01.000 It doesn't have its own pump.

01:53:03.000 It uses the musculoskeletal pump.

01:53:04.000 What do you mean by that?

01:53:04.000 Explain that.

01:53:06.000 Like your immune system relies on movement.

01:53:09.000 Yes, your lymphatic system, right?

01:53:10.000 So that's what's taking your cellular waste and then moving it out of your body.

01:53:17.000 It's laying right next to your arterial and venous system.

01:53:23.000 So as muscles work, they pump blood over to the working Tissues and then it kind of washes everything away.

01:53:31.000 So your lymphatic system doesn't need a pump because why would it need a pump?

01:53:35.000 Why would you not be moving?

01:53:36.000 Why would a human not be moving?

01:53:37.000 Why would an orca not be swimming in the ocean?

01:53:39.000 It's because you have these parts of your body that are movement dependent because movement is something that a human should be doing all the time.

01:53:48.000 It's only in recent times that That we haven't needed to move.

01:53:52.000 So then these systems that are movement dependent just kind of fail.

01:53:56.000 Yeah, but my kids get sick, and my kids move a lot.

01:54:00.000 They do gymnastics classes, and they do dance classes, and they're in school, and they're doing...

01:54:06.000 I mean, are your kids going to school?

01:54:08.000 No.

01:54:09.000 Yeah, I mean, my...

01:54:11.000 Three and a half year olds started in preschool, but he's in a nature school, right?

01:54:14.000 So it's all outside.

01:54:15.000 A nature school?

01:54:16.000 All outside.

01:54:17.000 Oh, you people are freaks.

01:54:19.000 We're going deep here.

01:54:20.000 Yeah.

01:54:20.000 What does this mean, a nature school?

01:54:22.000 Nature school.

01:54:23.000 It's been around for like 15 years where they don't have a building.

01:54:28.000 They do all their work outside.

01:54:30.000 They don't have a building?

01:54:32.000 So what happens when it rains?

01:54:32.000 No.

01:54:33.000 You go to school.

01:54:34.000 You go to school and you use an umbrella.

01:54:35.000 Same thing that happens when you're humans.

01:54:37.000 What happens?

01:54:37.000 People live in the woods.

01:54:38.000 So you just use an umbrella?

01:54:40.000 And you read under a tent?

01:54:40.000 No.

01:54:41.000 No.

01:54:42.000 They're not doing like that traditional kind of sitting and reading and working with paper.

01:54:46.000 They're learning edibles and they're learning.

01:54:49.000 I mean, they're hiking and they're moving and they're doing their math, you know, by get this many branches and how to build a fire.

01:54:54.000 So you're teaching your kids to be Grizzly Adams?

01:54:57.000 Kind of, yeah.

01:54:59.000 This is fascinating.

01:55:00.000 How many kids go to your school with your kids?

01:55:03.000 Well, I think there's 10, 12...

01:55:06.000 10, 12 woodsy people that come down with, like, leaves in their hair and drop their kids off.

01:55:11.000 I am the woodsiest.

01:55:11.000 They're not really woodsy.

01:55:13.000 You're the woodsiest.

01:55:13.000 I am the woodsiest.

01:55:15.000 They are not...

01:55:15.000 You're not very wood...

01:55:16.000 You seem totally normal to me.

01:55:18.000 I'm totally almost normal.

01:55:19.000 Yes, I'm totally normal.

01:55:21.000 I just...

01:55:22.000 Like, kids move...

01:55:24.000 Like, movement...

01:55:25.000 There's movement, and then there's exercise, and they're two different things.

01:55:31.000 Gymnastics and taking these movement classes is not the kind of movement that I'm talking about.

01:55:37.000 Recess and stuff, that's a certain amount of movement.

01:55:42.000 My kids move all day long.

01:55:46.000 I know everyone's like, my kids, they're active, they're kids.

01:55:48.000 I'm like, no, I'm talking about my kids will walk two to three miles a day.

01:55:53.000 And they could hang and climb and suspend themselves by the time they're one.

01:55:58.000 They move more like monkeys.

01:56:02.000 They're very confident and strong and capable because they've been put into challenging environments.

01:56:08.000 And they don't have chairs or anything.

01:56:11.000 They don't have chairs in your house? 0.91

01:56:13.000 What do you guys eat?

01:56:13.000 No.

01:56:14.000 We eat at a low table.

01:56:16.000 A low table.

01:56:17.000 Sit on the floor with a low table.

01:56:18.000 So like Japanese style, sort of.

01:56:20.000 The bulk of the world doesn't have furniture.

01:56:20.000 Yeah.

01:56:23.000 I know it seems radical that I don't have furniture, but the bulk of humans right now on the planet don't have furniture like you have furniture.

01:56:28.000 It's a real... 0.98

01:56:29.000 You're the weirdo. 0.89

01:56:32.000 Yeah, but we also rule the world. 0.99

01:56:33.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:56:34.000 That's true.

01:56:35.000 Yeah.

01:56:35.000 Isn't that why?

01:56:36.000 Because we have TV. Probably.

01:56:37.000 And couches.

01:56:39.000 Yeah.

01:56:40.000 So you really do have no furniture in your house.

01:56:45.000 Well, I mean, I have decor, but no, I don't have couches.

01:56:47.000 What about the way you sleep?

01:56:49.000 We sleep on pads on the floor.

01:56:52.000 Pads on the floor?

01:56:53.000 No pillows.

01:56:54.000 No pillows.

01:56:55.000 Your pillow's a cast.

01:56:56.000 Do you think your head should be out in front of you like that the whole entire time?

01:57:00.000 How is it?

01:57:01.000 Right?

01:57:02.000 You have a pillow underneath your head between your shoulders.

01:57:04.000 Do you sleep on your back?

01:57:04.000 Well, how do you lie down?

01:57:06.000 I move constantly because it's never really comfortable.

01:57:09.000 So in that way, I move at night, just like any other animal.

01:57:15.000 Wow.

01:57:16.000 You're going deep.

01:57:18.000 I'm going back to the roots.

01:57:20.000 Is that good?

01:57:21.000 I think for disease and health, yeah, it is.

01:57:23.000 I think it's required. 1.00

01:57:25.000 Do you ever go on the road and stay in a bed and go, fuck, this is awesome. 1.00

01:57:29.000 I do. 0.99

01:57:29.000 And the couches galore when I'm on vacation. 0.99

01:57:32.000 My husband and I are like, turn on the television.

01:57:35.000 Love it.

01:57:36.000 But it is like dessert.

01:57:37.000 It's like dessert.

01:57:38.000 Yeah.

01:57:39.000 But we don't have this at home.

01:57:40.000 We're just going to have this when we're on the road.

01:57:42.000 You know, like any other sensible thing, intake of sensible thing.

01:57:42.000 Right.

01:57:46.000 Is there a way around it?

01:57:47.000 I mean, can't you have a bed that's like semi-comfortable?

01:57:50.000 Is there like a medium ground or a middle ground?

01:57:53.000 Yeah, well, I mean, I think it all just depends on how your state.

01:57:58.000 Like, I'm looking for really strong cells head to toe.

01:58:02.000 So, like...

01:58:03.000 It just comes from the loads that you expose them to.

01:58:06.000 If you think of what is the natural environment for your body, you go to a massage therapist to push on you and give you pressure because it's an input you are missing.

01:58:17.000 Well, I get it every night on the ground, so I'm not missing all of that movement and helping those tissues become unstuck because the floor does that for you for free while you sleep.

01:58:29.000 Wait a minute.

01:58:31.000 You think that going and lying on the ground on the floor is the equivalent to going and getting deep tissue massage?

01:58:38.000 Well, pressure-wise, it's the same thing.

01:58:43.000 It's pressure.

01:58:44.000 That's what makes sleeping on the floor so uncomfortable.

01:58:47.000 Have you ever gone camping and slept on the ground and everyone's hurting the next day?

01:58:51.000 You don't have the strength, really, to do that.

01:58:54.000 You don't have the suppleness of the tissues.

01:58:56.000 And so you stiffen and react to it, kind of like if someone...

01:59:00.000 Pushes on you really hard, like too deep at first, you tense your muscles in response, but with time, the way, how you're probably imagining sleeping on the ground feels is not how it feels to me anymore.

01:59:12.000 It's how it felt to me at the beginning, but not how it feels to me anymore.

01:59:15.000 Well, I've camped a bunch of times, especially over the last couple of years.

01:59:19.000 I've done it several times. 0.97

01:59:20.000 Five, six days in a stretch and it sucks. 0.86

01:59:22.000 It's just not comfortable. 0.93

01:59:24.000 But it doesn't feel like deep tissue massage.

01:59:26.000 The difference between massage, especially sports massage, is you're kneading out knots and different scar tissue and blockages that have happened from strenuous exercise.

01:59:38.000 I just don't see how laying on the ground would do that.

01:59:41.000 Well, your massage is targeted and local to whatever area someone is applying it.

01:59:48.000 So in that way, the sensations are different because this is just kind of whole body all at the same time.

01:59:54.000 But mechanically speaking, it's the same thing.

01:59:58.000 It's pressure.

01:59:59.000 It's pressure being applied to tissue, something pushing on it and moving it around and...

02:00:04.000 It's uncomfortable at first because it's such a large surface area of your body.

02:00:09.000 It's not you being comfortable everywhere else and then someone working on, you know, three inches or...

02:00:14.000 Well, I have a pad at all, then.

02:00:15.000 Seems like that's like a mini bed.

02:00:17.000 Well, because it's hard.

02:00:18.000 Because, I mean, too hard is not natural either, right?

02:00:22.000 If you're going to sleep, just imagine what...

02:00:23.000 You'd sleep on dirt.

02:00:24.000 You'd sleep on something soft.

02:00:25.000 Yeah, you'd always be seeking something comfortable.

02:00:27.000 It's just that your bed is so comfortable, what it does is it doesn't reveal your discomfort, so you just assume one position, again, the same geometry, almost all night long.

02:00:39.000 So in that way, your movement is less.

02:00:43.000 Where I move much more during that eight hours.

02:00:47.000 So that eight hours, my cells have a different experience than someone who's sleeping in a bed and on a pillow.

02:00:54.000 And when I'm uncomfortable, I change position, which is movement.

02:00:58.000 All the time.

02:00:59.000 No, it was at first, yeah.

02:01:01.000 How long have you been doing this for?

02:01:04.000 I've been probably 18 months without a bed, something smaller.

02:01:10.000 How long did it take to get used to it?

02:01:13.000 It took me like a year to get rid of my pillow.

02:01:15.000 It took me a year to get rid of my pillow, right?

02:01:17.000 Because it was tight through the neck.

02:01:19.000 Even though I did all the same neck mobilization and got massaged all the time, the bulk of my day was doing the same thing.

02:01:26.000 How often do you have to turn your head and look up or look down?

02:01:29.000 There's no need for actually using the muscles of your neck.

02:01:33.000 But finally, I was like, you know, after doing the stretch, I was like, where, why am I doing this stretch?

02:01:33.000 Anymore.

02:01:38.000 Like, where would this stretch happen naturally?

02:01:41.000 It's like, okay, well, if I was laying on my side curled up, you know, if you look at your dog or your cat sleeping there, they're like doing these weird positions and poses.

02:01:49.000 And then I found the literature on it in, in the journal.

02:01:52.000 It's like, yeah, we think that a lot of low back pain is coming from these repetitive sleeping positions on, on beds.

02:01:58.000 And here's how all these humans sleep.

02:02:00.000 Here's how all these other primates and other animals sleep.

02:02:03.000 There seems to be some weird way about the way we sleep, so I just cleaned up that environment for myself.

02:02:09.000 What about a hard mattress?

02:02:11.000 You could do a hard mattress.

02:02:12.000 If you have a soft one now, a hard one would Give you more pressure.

02:02:16.000 Yeah, I mean, it's definitely gradual.

02:02:18.000 You know, it's not with a pillow.

02:02:20.000 I took my pillow size and then over a year just came down to a smaller and smaller pillow and eventually a t-shirt until I didn't need it.

02:02:27.000 And with the bed, the bed was more organic because we had little kids.

02:02:31.000 And so it seems like you're never sleeping in your own bed.

02:02:33.000 Like everyone's always moving around beds. 0.99

02:02:34.000 And I slept in a different mattress like this mattress sucks. 0.99

02:02:37.000 And then I was like, that's ridiculous. 0.99

02:02:38.000 Like it's mattress.

02:02:40.000 My body should have enough give where, you know, a slightly different Baby pressure isn't stressing my body out and then that's when I just started to explore this kind of stuff.

02:02:51.000 Is this a movement?

02:02:52.000 Is there a lot of people that are doing this?

02:02:54.000 They're sleeping on the ground and having no couches?

02:02:56.000 I think furniture-free takes a while.

02:02:59.000 You don't have to give up your couch, but how about just sitting on the floor instead of it?

02:03:03.000 With the sitting is the new smoking stuff, the thing that that research really showed is that you can be this really great exerciser, or it was a new category of sedentary active, that all of the active, the fittest people within our culture are still sedentary.

02:03:18.000 They're moving like 4% of the day.

02:03:20.000 And since your body, again, is movement-dependent, they're systems in the fittest people, Are like 4% better than the people who don't move at all.

02:03:29.000 So there's like all this space to get better physically.

02:03:34.000 And again, when I say better, I'm really talking about basic biological things like procreating, digesting food.

02:03:40.000 Some people can't even go to the bathroom.

02:03:42.000 Like their guts and their bathrooming doesn't work. 1.00

02:03:45.000 And like these are again basic human functions.

02:03:48.000 They can't sleep well.

02:03:50.000 And like, their humanness is impaired in the same way that you would see, again, like in zoo animals, like just pacing and their bio rhythms all messed up.

02:04:01.000 So I thought, well, I can get myself back on track.

02:04:03.000 I don't need a couch.

02:04:05.000 It turned out to be better.

02:04:06.000 And all these other things that we're talking about, like consumerism for our family and space and having little kids, you know, and run around and less to clean and just less.

02:04:16.000 It's just less.

02:04:17.000 So you're just all about minimalism?

02:04:19.000 Minimalism, which ends up being maximalism for your biology.

02:04:24.000 Wow.

02:04:25.000 I'm still tripping out of the fact that your kids don't get sick.

02:04:27.000 I'm trying to figure out how that's possible.

02:04:29.000 Their little immune systems are subject to so many different little bugs and stuff when they're hanging out with other little kids.

02:04:34.000 I know, but they just have the strength to push it right through.

02:04:37.000 I think that with a lot of illness, it's the delay, right?

02:04:41.000 It's like you're making the mucus.

02:04:43.000 It sits around for so long.

02:04:45.000 What we envision being sick is the coping mechanism.

02:04:50.000 It's like a sluggish immune system.

02:04:52.000 It's not that my kids don't interact with it, but it's just Happens faster?

02:04:55.000 I don't know.

02:04:56.000 I mean, we, again, we travel all over United States, Canada, and Europe for six weeks.

02:05:02.000 They just, they're very robust.

02:05:05.000 Are you kids vaccinated?

02:05:06.000 No.

02:05:07.000 Not yet.

02:05:08.000 None?

02:05:09.000 Whoa.

02:05:11.000 Not yet.

02:05:11.000 I'm not anti-vaccination.

02:05:14.000 I just, again, I have a particular timeline and a development that I want them To explore first that I don't want encroached with any of that stuff.

02:05:25.000 And so I maximize lots of other things.

02:05:30.000 How so?

02:05:31.000 Well, so, like, I'm also an extended breastfeeder.

02:05:38.000 So, like, my children have been breastfed.

02:05:40.000 Like, the oldest one, he stopped when he was three and a half years.

02:05:44.000 So a lot of people don't have that going on.

02:05:47.000 And then, you know, with my younger one, she's Just two, and so she's still breastfeeding.

02:05:53.000 So there's lots of other things that I do.

02:05:54.000 I'm not really a don't-doer.

02:05:56.000 I'm more like, here's all the things that end up improving their immune system.

02:06:03.000 You know, they play in dirt.

02:06:05.000 They've never been exposed to antibiotics or antibacterial products, you know, things that now are showing up to accumulate in the system.

02:06:13.000 And so I think that has a lot to do with it.

02:06:16.000 Do you have any issue or any worry or concern about your kids catching measles or mumps or one of these dangerous diseases that have had a resurgence because of a lack of vaccinations?

02:06:28.000 I mean, that's a big issue on the East Coast is the measles and mumps and things along those lines that used to be kind of knocked down.

02:06:35.000 Now, because a lot of people don't want to vaccinate their kids, you're seeing this make a resurgence.

02:06:41.000 Yeah, well, I mean, like I said, I'm not anti-vaccine.

02:06:46.000 The reason that you're really vaccinating is for the benefit of weaker people, for the most part, because measles as a whole is not something that is that dangerous.

02:06:57.000 I mean, there are very few incidences, even when it was really bad, that it would cause death or whatnot.

02:07:04.000 So they'll be vaccinated.

02:07:07.000 At a certain point for the benefit of the community, I just am not loading really their systems with anything.

02:07:15.000 I'm not particularly worried about exposure.

02:07:18.000 You know, they don't go to places where Measles, I mean, excuse me, where measles occurs, like they're not in doctor's offices.

02:07:29.000 But you said they travel all over the world, right?

02:07:30.000 Well, they travel all over the world.

02:07:31.000 That's the other thing.

02:07:32.000 But, I mean, as far as I spend time detecting, like there was someone who was exposed to measles in Washington who came from Disneyland.

02:07:43.000 So I got a notification saying this person went from Disneyland to the SeaTac airport, who then went to This place, if you've been at any of these three places, which is what our, you know, the government put out.

02:07:55.000 That was really recently, right?

02:07:57.000 That was recently, like, in the last week and a half.

02:07:59.000 November or something?

02:08:00.000 No, this is, I just got the, I got it, like, in the last week and a half.

02:08:02.000 Oh.

02:08:03.000 So there are, there are those cases, yeah.

02:08:08.000 So you're not concerned with that.

02:08:10.000 It's interesting that we have these ideas about what diseases we need to be gravely concerned about.

02:08:16.000 Measles is one.

02:08:18.000 Chicken pox is another.

02:08:20.000 Rebellia.

02:08:20.000 All the different ones that people are terrified of.

02:08:23.000 The one that kills everybody, the flu. 1.00

02:08:25.000 The flu fucking kills the shit out of people. 1.00

02:08:27.000 There's so many people that die every year of the flu. 1.00

02:08:29.000 But most people don't get a flu shot.

02:08:31.000 Yeah, I don't get a flu shot.

02:08:33.000 Well, again, from a biological standpoint, I think we're looking at problems from we're all sick in this zoo.

02:08:42.000 We don't see that.

02:08:44.000 The way that you are interacting with the disease has a lot to do with the state of the being that you're bringing to the disease.

02:08:50.000 So I'm working to maximize the state of the being.

02:08:54.000 What about nutrition?

02:08:56.000 What kind of nutrition do you guys follow?

02:08:58.000 Well, that's the same thing.

02:08:59.000 So my kids, I'm much more scared by what other people feed their family, I think, than I am about diseases that they'll pick up.

02:09:08.000 So we don't really eat any processed food on a regular basis.

02:09:14.000 Mostly, I think, for the first couple years of their life, they had exclusively proteins and vegetables.

02:09:23.000 Exclusively?

02:09:24.000 Yeah, like they never had a goldfish.

02:09:26.000 Cracker.

02:09:27.000 You mean not like a goldfish, like swallowing a live fish.

02:09:30.000 I've been talking about the goldfish cracker.

02:09:31.000 They never had any Cheerios or goldfish crackers or any of that kind of stuff.

02:09:34.000 But yeah, like I make cookies.

02:09:36.000 I make desserts.

02:09:37.000 They have sweets.

02:09:38.000 And I'm more lenient now, but like in that first hunk of time, you know, when they're developing so much...

02:09:44.000 But, you know, like they had popsicles.

02:09:46.000 Like, they're regular kids you wouldn't even know because I want them to fit.

02:09:50.000 I want us all to fit in society.

02:09:52.000 As weird as my life sounds, you wouldn't even really know it.

02:09:55.000 We throw great parties at our house and everyone...

02:09:57.000 The house is just decorated kind of like...

02:10:00.000 Moroccan style.

02:10:01.000 It just looks like, wow, they have a lot of cool floor pillows or whatever.

02:10:04.000 It's not just like you walk into a house going, where's all the furniture?

02:10:07.000 This is weird.

02:10:08.000 It's not like that.

02:10:09.000 It's just slightly, it's just this kind of our oddness.

02:10:15.000 And we are the only friends in our group that are like this.

02:10:20.000 You know, so to them, we're kind of freaky.

02:10:21.000 It's like no one likes the desserts that I make for kids' birthday parties or whatever.

02:10:26.000 But that all being said, you know, everyone's kids are like, oh, our kids are just melting down because of X, Y, Z. And I was like, yeah.

02:10:34.000 But our kids, we don't have that.

02:10:36.000 I mean, they have kid meltdowns or whatever, but they just sleep regularly.

02:10:40.000 They're pretty healthy.

02:10:40.000 They're healthy.

02:10:42.000 Well, they sound ridiculously healthy.

02:10:45.000 They're ridiculously healthy.

02:10:46.000 I mean, they've never been sick.

02:10:48.000 I've never heard of anything like that before.

02:10:50.000 That's really shocking to me.

02:10:52.000 I mean, I thought that that was just like a natural part of being a child.

02:10:55.000 You get sick, your immune system rebounds, it strengthens it.

02:10:57.000 It's actually good to expose your kid to sick kids.

02:11:00.000 They might be, I mean, and we don't keep them away from sick people.

02:11:05.000 They just, if they get sick, it's just, it doesn't look like what getting sick would look like.

02:11:11.000 I mean, they're still interacting with any pathogens and they're responding to it.

02:11:15.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.

02:11:16.000 So if they get sick, it's a minor thing that their body processes and you don't even register.

02:11:21.000 Well, you don't even know that they're sick.

02:11:22.000 I mean, I wouldn't even know that they're sick.

02:11:24.000 Because they never get to an overload point where they're overwhelmed.

02:11:29.000 What is sick?

02:11:29.000 Yeah, like, well, what is sick?

02:11:30.000 Like, sick to me is, you know, I think my son had, he just had his second fever at almost four in four years.

02:11:40.000 And they were just low overnight.

02:11:42.000 Well... 0.52

02:11:42.000 That kid's sick. 0.52

02:11:43.000 He just went to bed with a fever and he woke up.

02:11:46.000 For me, sick is like they've been to the doctor, they've taken a medication.

02:11:50.000 Okay, I see what you're saying.

02:11:53.000 So you think sick is like he needs medical attention?

02:11:56.000 Yeah, or had to stay home from school or had something running down out of his nose or whatever.

02:12:04.000 To me, the fever that he had was like, he's just hot and then it was just gone.

02:12:11.000 So you slept it out?

02:12:12.000 Yeah, well I don't know.

02:12:13.000 I guess I compare it to myself.

02:12:15.000 I was at the pediatrician's office a lot as a kid.

02:12:17.000 I remember taking antibiotics once a quarter, like a lot.

02:12:25.000 And do you find yourself sick less as well?

02:12:28.000 Yeah, I mean all of us as a family.

02:12:30.000 That's so unusual.

02:12:31.000 All my friends that have young children around my kid's age, everyone's battling colds all the time because your kid's a little petri dishes.

02:12:38.000 Yeah, and that's the same thing.

02:12:39.000 So I just thought the same thing.

02:12:42.000 Compared to our group of families who all have little kids, I would say that they're sick a lot.

02:12:48.000 And so, you know, it's like, this person's sick, this person's sick, this person's sick, and we always just go to the party.

02:12:53.000 It's like, whatever, because I want my kids.

02:12:55.000 I know that they get healthier through interacting with it, but I just had my first cold in, I don't know, like, two years, maybe?

02:13:05.000 And I mean, I've had kids for almost four.

02:13:08.000 What is your diet like?

02:13:09.000 What do you eat?

02:13:10.000 A lot of fat, a lot of protein.

02:13:10.000 Same thing as a kid.

02:13:13.000 Is this engineered?

02:13:14.000 Yeah.

02:13:15.000 It's on purpose.

02:13:16.000 It's on purpose.

02:13:17.000 I try not to eat a lot of processed foods and then a lot of...

02:13:24.000 We don't do a lot of bread.

02:13:25.000 We don't eat a lot of bread.

02:13:26.000 But we're not totally grain-free.

02:13:28.000 I like...

02:13:29.000 Amarith, you know, like in kind of like different grains.

02:13:32.000 Amarith?

02:13:33.000 Amarith, just a grain or teff, which is an Ethiopian grain.

02:13:38.000 They're just...

02:13:39.000 Oh, you're eating freak food.

02:13:40.000 What is this talk?

02:13:41.000 What about white bread?

02:13:42.000 Yeah.

02:13:43.000 What about Wonder Bread?

02:13:44.000 There's no wonder.

02:13:45.000 No peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in your house?

02:13:48.000 We have our version.

02:13:49.000 Oh, Christ.

02:13:50.000 I know, I know, I know.

02:13:51.000 Imagine what this is like.

02:13:52.000 I know.

02:13:53.000 Good Lord.

02:13:54.000 It's really weird.

02:13:55.000 Yeah.

02:13:56.000 Real weird. 0.94

02:13:57.000 When we take you kids to Disneyland, they see soda and popcorn and shit like that. 0.89

02:14:00.000 They freak out. 0.95

02:14:03.000 They freak out about food and packages.

02:14:05.000 It seems to be the packaging more than anything else.

02:14:08.000 What is that thing with the knob that they have?

02:14:11.000 Other kids have that.

02:14:12.000 And we'll let them.

02:14:14.000 I'm not going to be like, no, you can't have that.

02:14:16.000 If someone's handing out something to everybody, it's like, of course.

02:14:18.000 You're a kid.

02:14:19.000 This is your community.

02:14:20.000 This is your time.

02:14:21.000 But I don't go out of my way to make it, to put it in there for them.

02:14:27.000 I remember when I was a kid, TV dinners had a very special appeal to me.

02:14:30.000 Like there's something about the TV dinner, like all of it in that little tray.

02:14:33.000 Yeah.

02:14:34.000 Like the little potatoes were like molded to the little tiny little spot where the potatoes go.

02:14:39.000 And the brownie was baked right in it.

02:14:41.000 Mm-hmm.

02:14:42.000 I remember.

02:14:42.000 Little Salisbury steak with the stuff on the...

02:14:44.000 Meanwhile, if you had to eat that now, you'd be like, Christ, what am I putting in my body?

02:14:48.000 But as a kid, it was so wonderful.

02:14:49.000 Like all those foods.

02:14:50.000 I look at all the foods and all the sitcoms that I watch as a TV and it's constantly, you know, as a parent, you're going...

02:14:56.000 Am I going too far with this a little bit?

02:14:58.000 Do I want my kids to have...

02:15:01.000 I really liked my childhood.

02:15:05.000 My childhood was awesome.

02:15:06.000 The only thing that I was just playing with here is biological function.

02:15:12.000 Because I think...

02:15:13.000 The difference between our kids and us is that we grew up in a different time.

02:15:20.000 There were no computers.

02:15:21.000 I didn't really sit down in front of a computer until I was maybe...

02:15:27.000 20. You know, I had a typewriter and, you know, I did typing in high school, but You were running around, you know, after school for the most part, and now, you know, my one-year-old had my iPhone, and she's just swiping through, picking the game that she wants to play, and you're like, God.

02:15:43.000 She is going to be casted so much earlier by this, because zero to five is so important, and it's going to be interesting that it's going to be more than what we think it's going to be.

02:15:56.000 It's going to affect more than her eyes.

02:15:58.000 It's going to affect more than Than her hips, you know, it's going to be really how she thinks, how they both think is just going to be so impacted by the age of information.

02:16:10.000 How did you find this freaky nature school thing?

02:16:14.000 Is that something you knew about before you moved to the location you live in?

02:16:18.000 It just started.

02:16:19.000 It's its first year.

02:16:21.000 So it's a model that they've had in Germany for a long time.

02:16:24.000 They've had this kind of what they call forest kindergarten for maybe 10 years.

02:16:29.000 So it's popular in Europe.

02:16:32.000 It just started coming over here.

02:16:34.000 There's probably, if you look online, you could find maybe a hundred schools already operating like this, and they're just outdoor preschools, although they're starting to go up higher, you know, where they're doing the curriculum just based on child-led interests.

02:16:54.000 My son came home and we're just like taking a hike sometime and he was telling me the names of the trees and stuff, like stuff that I didn't even know.

02:17:01.000 And so it's not like doing block.

02:17:04.000 You're not sitting out in the forest, you know, stacking blocks.

02:17:07.000 You're not coding colors or you're not doing any...

02:17:11.000 I think they call them schema.

02:17:12.000 Like you're not doing any sort of structured...

02:17:17.000 But it happens all very organically.

02:17:19.000 You just start to notice, you know, I think it definitely lends itself to a scientific kind of outcome because, you know, my son's like, hey, look at the frost patterns on this versus this.

02:17:30.000 Like, here's how you can tell, you know, where it was frosty and, like, this is clearly underwater.

02:17:35.000 So they're just starting to recognize and observe data and details about things.

02:17:41.000 So I like that.

02:17:43.000 You know, I'm a scientist, so I like that.

02:17:46.000 I see things that way so you know I don't know if it'll work for both my kids but it definitely works for my son who's more kind of like me.

02:17:53.000 I'm fascinated by the fact that you, as a scientist and as someone who is an expert in human movement and biomechanics and all that, you've decided to try to engineer your children from the jump.

02:18:07.000 I don't know anybody that's done that.

02:18:08.000 It's done that to such a degree that you've done it where you've gotten rid of your couch and you sit on the floor and you've got your kids in some fairy wood school.

02:18:17.000 Yeah, they were born at home.

02:18:19.000 They were born at home.

02:18:21.000 Oh, Christ, woman, now you're going crazy. 1.00

02:18:24.000 What would you do if it was a breach?

02:18:25.000 If you had to spin the kid around in the box?

02:18:28.000 Well, I mean, good midwives can do a lot of stuff, but I was very close to a hospital.

02:18:33.000 I know it would freak you out.

02:18:34.000 Yeah.

02:18:35.000 Didn't freak me out.

02:18:36.000 No.

02:18:36.000 No?

02:18:37.000 I have watched and been at lots of births.

02:18:39.000 Pelvic floor mechanics was my whole undergraduate biomechanics work.

02:18:43.000 So when you know a lot about something, there's not a lot of fear there.

02:18:46.000 Oh, that makes sense.

02:18:47.000 There was a healthy dose of emergency preparedness to make sure that everything was going to be okay, but...

02:18:53.000 But there wasn't a lot of tension or stress in me because I was pretty cool with it.

02:18:58.000 What about if you need stitches or any things along those lines?

02:19:01.000 They can do all that.

02:19:02.000 You can go there afterwards.

02:19:03.000 I had a midwife. 0.99

02:19:04.000 I didn't do it myself.

02:19:05.000 The midwife can stitch you up? 0.99

02:19:06.000 Yeah.

02:19:07.000 Oh, Christ.

02:19:08.000 Some amateur lady down there. 1.00

02:19:09.000 It's not an amateur lady. 0.94

02:19:11.000 Digging in you with a needle and thread.

02:19:13.000 Oh, Christ.

02:19:14.000 With her knitting needles.

02:19:15.000 Ooh, yeah.

02:19:16.000 Dirty fingernails and no soap. 1.00

02:19:19.000 Don't use soap.

02:19:20.000 We want to keep everything biological.

02:19:22.000 No, it's not like that.

02:19:24.000 Did you use a tub?

02:19:25.000 Did you give birth to the kid in the water?

02:19:27.000 One, yes, one, no.

02:19:28.000 The water thing is a freaky one.

02:19:31.000 That's a lot of people that I've known that have tried to do the birth in-house have done it in the tub.

02:19:36.000 I think it's very strange.

02:19:37.000 Well, it makes it very comfortable and supported, you know, while you're laboring.

02:19:41.000 A lot of people get out, though, if you don't actually...

02:19:43.000 Do the berth, they climb out of the tub.

02:19:46.000 There are certain positions, it's really hard.

02:19:48.000 You're teaching people how to kick and you're like, you don't have the hip range of motion to kick.

02:19:51.000 What if you don't have the hip range of motion to squat?

02:19:54.000 These necessary positions that open all the bones up, a lot of people can't get into them. 0.99

02:19:58.000 Well, I've always wondered about people that need cesarean sections, like women with very narrow hips and, you know, they have a large husband and the baby's got a giant fucking head. 1.00

02:20:09.000 Like, what would you do in the wild? 1.00

02:20:12.000 Like, you would die.

02:20:13.000 No, I think that, again, there's a lot of things like the growth rate of the baby that are diet and movement related.

02:20:21.000 Again, that...

02:20:23.000 The growth rate of the baby?

02:20:24.000 Yes.

02:20:25.000 Your baby is not this arbitrary size that just pops out in its DNA. You're going to be 8.8 pounds or whatever.

02:20:31.000 It's not like that.

02:20:32.000 There is a relationship in gestation that has to do with...

02:20:36.000 For a while, they couldn't figure out, what's the signal for a woman to start giving birth?

02:20:41.000 And they're like, oh, it's got to be something to do with the size of the head and the pelvis or some signal in the lungs.

02:20:48.000 They're trying to figure it out.

02:20:49.000 We still don't know a lot of basic things.

02:20:51.000 About how this species works.

02:20:53.000 We've kind of gone right out into advanced technology and no one's really done a lot of work just going, how does this species work before we go over and look at other animals?

02:21:02.000 How does this one work again?

02:21:04.000 And so the big thing was narrow hips. 0.99

02:21:08.000 Narrow hips is one of my pet peeves.

02:21:11.000 Telling women that they're too small to give To give birth, but then they look at data of women who are up and move more through their pregnancy and head circumference.

02:21:20.000 You know, that the shape of the baby, again, is based on movement of the vessel in which it's in.

02:21:28.000 That it's becoming more understood to be very mechano-regulated.

02:21:33.000 Mechano meaning like any sort of mechanical forces on the embryo.

02:21:37.000 And the embryo is sensing movement and there's pressure on the And that's an environment.

02:21:44.000 It's in a mechanical environment.

02:21:45.000 It affects foot position, the ability for it to move and twist and to start that developmental phase.

02:21:51.000 And there's a lot of things that we do that limits developing human movement because we are so still.

02:21:58.000 So the more active your child is, or the more active you are, rather, it changes the shape of your child in the womb, the size of your child, rather, in the womb.

02:22:08.000 Well, it affects their spacing.

02:22:10.000 It affects their space and the pressures that are on them that are their mechanical environment.

02:22:17.000 And how does that affect a woman having narrow hips? 1.00

02:22:20.000 I mean, is it possible that a baby would be small enough that it would pass through if she's really active, whereas if she's sedentary and she has narrow hips, the baby's just going to be too big and fat?

02:22:30.000 Is that what it is?

02:22:30.000 Well, it's not.

02:22:31.000 I mean, narrow hips, like your hip, the obstetrical conjugate, the space, you know, where the baby is coming out is not a set structure.

02:22:39.000 You have hinges in there where things articulate and become bigger or smaller as needed, but those hinges being able to articulate depends on how fluid you yourself, how much movement did you do?

02:22:54.000 Were you squatting for a long period of time?

02:22:56.000 So squatting is something that's totally natural for humans, and humans would have to do it You know, a few times a day to bathroom, but also getting up and down off of the floor.

02:23:06.000 So you imagine what the shape of the pelvis would be and the mobility of the hips and the sacrum and all these joints that play a role in birth.

02:23:16.000 And then you go, but how natural are they not when you want to take them to something like birthing that everyone does?

02:23:23.000 So I'm a natural birthing advocate, but at the same time, I'm more an advocate for like, if you want to have like a vaginal delivery instead of a cesarean, There's work to do in the same way if you want to do a certain kick, you know, for your martial arts class it takes training to re-establish this shape and mobility so that you don't have too small of a space.

02:23:45.000 So what do you do to stretch out your quote-unquote space?

02:23:49.000 Well, you just become more mobile through the hips in general.

02:23:52.000 Yoga or something?

02:23:54.000 Well, more specifically, like furniture.

02:23:56.000 Again, look at your relationship with your furniture.

02:23:59.000 So, you know, getting pregnant women off the couch and onto a floor. 1.00

02:24:03.000 And what happens when you get on the floor?

02:24:05.000 When you get on the floor, you're essentially doing something that looks like the exercise that you go to a class to do.

02:24:13.000 For an hour, right?

02:24:14.000 So all the things that you do if you go to prenatal yoga, they give you hip opening exercise.

02:24:20.000 I'm like, just sit on the floor.

02:24:21.000 You can go to the classes too, but don't go back onto the couch, which is putting you back into the position that you're adapting to.

02:24:29.000 You don't adapt anymore to your class than you do to sitting on the couch.

02:24:32.000 You adapt to what you do 100% of the time.

02:24:35.000 So just sit on the floor in that position that you're doing.

02:24:39.000 So how is sitting on the floor more beneficial because you're supporting your weight on a flat structure or a flat surface?

02:24:45.000 Well you can't physically assume the same geometry in the couch that you are in the chair, right?

02:24:50.000 So you automatically have to Rotate your hips and drop your knees and...

02:24:55.000 Support your posture.

02:24:56.000 ...shift your pelvis. 0.87

02:24:56.000 Now you're engaging. 0.87

02:24:57.000 Your core muscles are working, so the baby's getting bigger, but you're on the couch, so even though the baby's getting bigger, that weight's never put on the muscles that hold the baby, so then you have to start tucking your pelvis under or wearing a baby support belt because you're not training your muscles relative to the natural mass accumulation of having a baby.

02:25:15.000 You have to be up and moving around with that weight in order to adapt to it.

02:25:19.000 You can't put a kettlebell in your lap Right.

02:25:22.000 And train to it.

02:25:22.000 You have to move it and swing it around.

02:25:24.000 You got to move and swing around your pregnancy weight to adapt to it.

02:25:27.000 And women that have naturally small hips and they can do all this, you think it would aid them? 1.00

02:25:34.000 They would have like a normal birth or would they still have like a huge issue? 1.00

02:25:38.000 I know a lot of women, especially in Western medicine, they get to a point where they're like, look, we got to cut you. 1.00

02:25:45.000 The baby's not going to come out.

02:25:47.000 There's a lot of factors that affect the birthing process, and I don't think that there is as much evidence for space being a factor as it is used as a casual reason.

02:26:04.000 If you're at the point where you've tried to labor, And it's not happening.

02:26:08.000 You move to a cesarean.

02:26:09.000 That's pretty normal.

02:26:11.000 But the situation in which that labor has happened is usually in a position where The forces aren't necessarily in your favor, right?

02:26:22.000 Like, if you're on your back the whole entire time, it's like the baby's not moving down.

02:26:25.000 It's like, well, what could you do to help bring it down?

02:26:28.000 Like, you could be more upright.

02:26:29.000 There's so many things you can do, but they don't necessarily happen well in a hospital that have their own set of rules and equipment in which they have to be monitoring you with.

02:26:38.000 So a lot of the trade-off for constant monitoring and emergency care is The optimal process is sometimes compromised.

02:26:51.000 I have two uncomfortable questions.

02:26:53.000 Okay.

02:26:53.000 One, the placenta.

02:26:55.000 Okay.

02:26:56.000 What do you do with that?

02:26:57.000 Well, with my son, it went in the ocean.

02:26:59.000 With my daughter, it went into the woods when I was done.

02:27:02.000 It usually just goes into a bag in the freezer.

02:27:05.000 A bag in the freezer?

02:27:06.000 I mean, you just freeze it till it's hard.

02:27:09.000 Why?

02:27:11.000 I mean, it becomes hard after you put it in the freezer.

02:27:13.000 Yeah, but why do you do that?

02:27:15.000 Why do you put it in the freezer?

02:27:15.000 Well, it's bloody and goopy.

02:27:18.000 Right, but why?

02:27:20.000 You can't really throw it in the trash.

02:27:21.000 I mean, it has to have some place where it can safely break down away from people.

02:27:28.000 Safely?

02:27:29.000 Well, I mean, it's biomass, right?

02:27:32.000 Right, but isn't it like food scraps in that sense?

02:27:34.000 It is.

02:27:35.000 It's like a takeout bag.

02:27:37.000 You don't eat it, though?

02:27:39.000 No, I didn't eat it, no.

02:27:40.000 Okay, that's the uncomfortable question.

02:27:41.000 Oh, is that what the question is?

02:27:42.000 No.

02:27:43.000 Some people do.

02:27:44.000 Some people do.

02:27:44.000 That's a big thing, because, you know, that's what animal...

02:27:47.000 I'm more of a biomechanic, so, like, movement and geometry, as opposed to, like, eating my placenta, I didn't do that.

02:27:54.000 Some people boil it down, make a tea, or dehydrate it, make a powder.

02:27:58.000 I've heard people eat it, like, scramble it like eggs.

02:28:01.000 Well, I think the thought is, right, so most animal mothers eat it.

02:28:05.000 Yeah, but the reason is to avoid off predators because the smell attracts predators.

02:28:11.000 That's what you've been told.

02:28:11.000 Who knows?

02:28:13.000 Well, that's definitely what it is with certain animals like deer.

02:28:16.000 They don't even eat animal protein other than that.

02:28:21.000 Well, but because they've been doing it for a long time, there can be something that's consumed in that movement or in that choice of doing so that comes along with it.

02:28:31.000 In biology, there's a lot of naturally occurring byproducts.

02:28:36.000 Mm-hmm.

02:28:46.000 Mm-hmm.

02:28:48.000 Mm-hmm.

02:29:00.000 Hairy instead of smooth so that the pollen can stick in there and then it just brushes up against it and it becomes this vessel.

02:29:06.000 But that's a byproduct.

02:29:08.000 The pollination is just something that occurs because of a structure.

02:29:13.000 So if you eat something To keep a predator from coming up, but you've always done it, then there can be some sort of compound that triggers milk production.

02:29:23.000 Like, who knows?

02:29:24.000 Who knows what it's in?

02:29:24.000 Right.

02:29:25.000 So when you look at a population of people who are having kids, and it's like, wow, there's a very large percentage of this population that's struggling just after having a baby.

02:29:38.000 Could we be missing some sort of naturally occurring nutrient?

02:29:42.000 And I think that's why people take The placenta is because they're just trying to hedge their bets.

02:29:46.000 Maybe inside the placenta is something that keeps me from feeling whatever issue they're diagnosed with.

02:29:53.000 If it plays some sort of role in hormonal regulation afterwards, is it part of the input that changes how your physiology starts going back to what it was before?

02:30:05.000 There's so much that we don't know.

02:30:09.000 That things are very easily dismissed as like we know the reason or that's no longer a necessary structure just because it doesn't fit into our tank.

02:30:17.000 And so you don't really want to approach biology and physiology and anatomy with that heavy bias that the way humans are doing it right now in LA is really an indication of what humans need to be doing.

02:30:29.000 Is that sort of like how people have a natural instinct to suck on wounds?

02:30:29.000 Right.

02:30:34.000 Like if you cut your finger, you naturally do that.

02:30:37.000 And then people would tell you not to do that for the longest time, but then they found out that no, saliva has actually very strong healing properties.

02:30:44.000 Like we have an instinct to suck on wounds because it actually does help.

02:30:44.000 Yeah.

02:30:48.000 Yeah.

02:30:49.000 It's just like that.

02:30:50.000 It's just part of the reflexes that we come with that have kept us alive for so long.

02:30:58.000 Uncomfortable question number two.

02:30:59.000 Do you guys have toilets?

02:30:59.000 Okay.

02:31:00.000 We do.

02:31:01.000 Regular old toilets.

02:31:02.000 Regular toilets?

02:31:03.000 We have squat platforms around them.

02:31:04.000 Ah, I knew it.

02:31:05.000 Yeah.

02:31:05.000 Squat platforms around there, but regular toilets, yeah.

02:31:08.000 And the squat platform, you build that?

02:31:11.000 Well, you can build it, but you can just buy it and just buy a squatty potty and you just throw it up.

02:31:16.000 Does that make loud noises when someone drops?

02:31:18.000 No, it doesn't.

02:31:19.000 Because of the height, you mean? 0.85

02:31:20.000 Your butt's at the same altitude. 0.87

02:31:21.000 Okay. 0.99

02:31:22.000 You can actually just still sit on the toilet and just put your feet up.

02:31:26.000 So your hips and knees are just at a different angle.

02:31:29.000 You don't even have to work any muscles differently.

02:31:31.000 You don't actually have to do a squat.

02:31:32.000 So a normal person without a squatty potty can do that?

02:31:34.000 Any person.

02:31:35.000 Sit down and you put your feet up like...

02:31:37.000 Just take, like if you have a stack of books or if you have like a waste paper basket, just flip it over and put your feet up on it.

02:31:42.000 Okay.

02:31:43.000 Just get your hips and your knees to a different joint angle because it turns out again that the tubes of elimination line up better when you do that, that it's part of the system.

02:31:57.000 And without that, then you have to start bearing down and adding forces into the system.

02:32:02.000 That aren't so good for you.

02:32:03.000 They're good to accomplish that task, but they're not good for maybe the whole structure, like all that intra-abdominal pressure over time, if that's how you're forcing it to get out, moves things in other ways.

02:32:13.000 Yeah, I've found that like when you have to poop in the woods, it comes out real quick.

02:32:18.000 Whereas like if you're sitting down on a toilet, it's like sometimes you can read a book or go answer a few tweets.

02:32:25.000 It takes a while.

02:32:25.000 Yeah, because you have to work against the technology of a toilet.

02:32:30.000 That's interesting.

02:32:32.000 Hmm.

02:32:33.000 How did we get into toilets then?

02:32:35.000 Where did that come along?

02:32:36.000 Women from toilets? 1.00

02:32:36.000 That was just uncomfortable question number two. 1.00

02:32:38.000 No, but I mean, how did we as human beings, how did we get to this throne that you sit down on?

02:32:43.000 How come nobody figured out that a long time ago?

02:32:46.000 Well, I think that, you know, with civilization, part of another inherent component of civilization is you have to be better than someone else, you know?

02:32:56.000 And so a lot of the things that we do...

02:33:01.000 Our ways of delineating ourselves from what we would call savages or more primitive people.

02:33:08.000 You wore shoes.

02:33:09.000 You didn't want your skin to be too dark or tan.

02:33:13.000 You wanted to show that you had more affluence, that you weren't as barbaric. 0.50

02:33:16.000 You didn't have to poop on it. 0.56

02:33:17.000 You could just poop it and push it flusher and it went away.

02:33:21.000 Soft hands and cultured demeanor.

02:33:25.000 You were less animal, moving away from it.

02:33:28.000 You were less animal, correct.

02:33:29.000 And you're trying to be more animal.

02:33:31.000 The word is primitive.

02:33:32.000 I am a primate.

02:33:36.000 What advancements has society made that you think are beneficial?

02:33:42.000 Well, gosh, I mean, I think medicine is beneficial.

02:33:45.000 I mean, I think everything is beneficial.

02:33:47.000 It's just that what I'm more concerned about is what is no longer needed that is still essential.

02:33:57.000 So I don't have really an aversion against civilization and technology.

02:34:02.000 It's just that vitamin C is still necessary.

02:34:07.000 Like, we can't get around the fact that vitamin C is still necessary.

02:34:10.000 So I'm just trying to figure out So when you're trying to figure out diseases, you have to kind of boil down to, could this disease be arising because of some non-input, some essential input that we're not getting?

02:34:23.000 And so as people get more and more advanced, our health, again in the terms of biological sense, isn't getting better with us.

02:34:35.000 And so what happens to a species that advances itself right out of being A species.

02:34:43.000 That's more what I'm interested in.

02:34:45.000 So I like it all.

02:34:46.000 I like all technology.

02:34:47.000 Netflix?

02:34:47.000 Netflix might be my favorite technology.

02:34:51.000 It just seems to me that you're in this really weird state of sort of primitive reengineering.

02:35:01.000 Or primate reengineering.

02:35:04.000 I mean, that seems like what you're doing.

02:35:06.000 Like you're looking at all the various Various components of society that you feel like are non-beneficial.

02:35:14.000 You're eliminating them and you're doing it from the jump with your children.

02:35:18.000 I find that very fascinating.

02:35:20.000 Yeah.

02:35:20.000 Well, I mean, is a bed?

02:35:22.000 Like, the things sound radical, but again, as far as humans on the planet right now, they're really not.

02:35:28.000 So they might be more radical because they're decidedly non-American, but I don't think I'm really going out of my way that much to be more animal-like.

02:35:40.000 It's just, like, I don't feel my life is enhanced with a bed.

02:35:45.000 I don't think my life is enhanced with, like, I'm obviously letting go of the things that I can't live without.

02:35:51.000 There are certain things that I, you know, I still have a car.

02:35:56.000 Do you have, like, some weird thing that you sit in in your car and you sit on a log?

02:36:00.000 No, I just try to...

02:36:01.000 I just try to sit as little as possible in it.

02:36:04.000 I try to walk as many places as I can.

02:36:06.000 Right.

02:36:07.000 Do you don't sit in a weird way or anything?

02:36:09.000 I'll sit in as many different ways in the car as long as I'm not driving.

02:36:13.000 Do you sometimes hit the gas in the pedal with your left foot to balance it out?

02:36:16.000 No, I don't play around with that kind of stuff.

02:36:18.000 That could be dangerous, right?

02:36:20.000 That'd be weird.

02:36:22.000 Sensory input is huge.

02:36:23.000 You're driving, you're using a lot of motor memory when you're driving.

02:36:26.000 I don't know if I would start playing around with that kind of stuff. 0.96

02:36:29.000 Yeah, I've used my left foot to brake sometimes, and it's amazing how dumb my left foot is.

02:36:33.000 Like, my right foot is, ooh, it's so, like, it's interesting that we figured out a way to use the foot for input.

02:36:40.000 You know, and the other thing you find out is that your left foot gets tired.

02:36:44.000 If you ever try to drive the gas with your left foot, like I hurt my right knee once, and I was driving with my left foot.

02:36:49.000 Like, your left foot gets tired.

02:36:50.000 It gets tired of just pressing down the gas pedal.

02:36:53.000 Which makes you think, like, what muscles are being programmed by my right foot that are not being programmed by my left?

02:37:00.000 Like, there's a lot of things that I do really good with my right side that I don't do so good with my left side.

02:37:04.000 Yeah.

02:37:04.000 It's weird.

02:37:05.000 Like, hold your bag.

02:37:07.000 Yeah, hold the bag.

02:37:08.000 Throw kicks is another one.

02:37:08.000 That's a big one.

02:37:09.000 There's certain kicks I just don't do as well with my left side.

02:37:14.000 I wonder now, especially after talking to you, what other chains of things are not working as well because of that imbalance?

02:37:25.000 Yeah, well, I think that brings up that notion of alignment.

02:37:30.000 An alignment is when you're moving, you know, alignment in your car is like when the relationship of all of the parts are where they should be and then the way that you drive.

02:37:42.000 It optimizes the longevity of the structure of the car as a whole.

02:37:47.000 Like you don't have any one wheel getting its job done as a wheel is wearing down the brake on that side where it's costing you something that it shouldn't.

02:37:54.000 So it's the same thing with the body.

02:37:55.000 You're trying to figure out your alignment, which is how can I be using my arm without wearing down my shoulder prematurely because the muscles between the two are tighter than they should be because I always do the same thing with my left arm.

02:38:12.000 So I think it's less about, I mean, muscle balancing is one way to look at it, but also just look at what are the movements you do in your life.

02:38:21.000 Like if you had to make a list of the top 10 moves you do in your life outside of your exercise program, like what are they?

02:38:28.000 It's sitting from like getting up and down out of a chairs is a thing that you do most often, but we don't do very much with our body at all when it's not exercising.

02:38:36.000 Almost nothing.

02:38:37.000 What kind of exercise do you do?

02:38:44.000 None really in that I have really eliminated structured exercise time out of my life.

02:38:54.000 But if you plotted my body on a graph, what you would see is probably five miles of walking a day, almost carrying something almost always while doing that, but you know it's in different arms all of the time.

02:39:10.000 Working on the house, my stillness is on the computer time, but really it's just that, getting up and down off of the floor, sitting on the floor in different ways, which would look like stretching, I would say to most people, right?

02:39:20.000 So I'm always working on some sort of stretch, but it's really just to get something accomplished.

02:39:28.000 So no lifting weights, no squatting, no deadlifts?

02:39:33.000 I squat because I don't have furniture, so I probably do 200 squats a day.

02:39:39.000 But I don't do them repetitively.

02:39:41.000 They're distributed throughout the day.

02:39:45.000 And they're held sometimes for three or four minutes while I'm doing something.

02:39:49.000 So I would say that my moves, if you loaded up my moves and put them in, it wouldn't look that much different than a workout.

02:39:59.000 It would probably look most like a CrossFit kind of workout, you know, as far as You know, the variation of moves.

02:40:11.000 I mean, my kids are heavy, so you're packing them around and moving them around, but it just looks like regular living.

02:40:18.000 But you're never exhausted.

02:40:19.000 You're never breathing heavy.

02:40:21.000 You're never at a rapid heart rate.

02:40:23.000 So your cardiovascular improvement from something like that is probably pretty minimal, right?

02:40:27.000 Well, I mean, but I also go out.

02:40:29.000 So we're actually going out and hiking.

02:40:31.000 So if you go out and hike a couple miles again, carrying or hurting kids, it does stay.

02:40:38.000 You got a little something out of that.

02:40:40.000 Yeah, you do.

02:40:41.000 Your heart rate is elevated.

02:40:42.000 I still practice recovery.

02:40:44.000 Again, one of the reasons you do cardio is you do cardio because this idea that you want to keep your heart strong enough to do what?

02:40:54.000 It's supposed to be to distribute oxygen.

02:40:55.000 Your cardiovascular system distributes oxygen, but just because it's beating faster, working harder, it's not accomplishing Whole body oxygen distribution.

02:41:05.000 In fact, it's pulling blood away from anything not doing that thing that you're doing in the moment.

02:41:11.000 So even that idea of cardio comes from being still all the time.

02:41:16.000 What can I consume in a short period of time that keeps my heart muscles strong?

02:41:21.000 Instead of going, how can I take the resistance away from my heart and distribute my oxygen all the time?

02:41:26.000 Like, my cardiovascular system is working all of the time because I'm moving all the time.

02:41:30.000 I think what we're talking about are probably two different things.

02:41:33.000 I'm talking about what you're trying to accomplish, whether or not you're trying to push your body to an optimum state.

02:41:38.000 If you're looking to optimize your body's performance, you're really not going to get that just by carrying kids and sitting down on the ground.

02:41:46.000 Your body, like the difference between exercise, a lot of people are thinking of exercise as being something where I guess you're just trying to lose a little weight or stay active or sweat a little bit.

02:41:58.000 What I'm talking about is like optimizing your physical body.

02:42:02.000 Strengthening your body, strengthening your cardiovascular system, strengthening your physical structure.

02:42:09.000 I'm a big believer in especially resistance exercises.

02:42:12.000 I think that it's very important for bone density.

02:42:14.000 It's very important to resist the aging process and muscles, keeping muscle density, keeping bone density.

02:42:23.000 You're not doing anything like that.

02:42:26.000 Well, again, I think it's about how you're using the word optimization.

02:42:30.000 So optimization, to me, if you're optimizing the fitness performance tests, like one rep max or a strength goal, whether it's aesthetic or a physical performance, like how much weight can I move with this body part and can I get more and more?

02:42:49.000 That's fine as long as your body is also being successful at getting biological tasks done.

02:42:57.000 And I think that in a lot of cases, people can have very high levels of this fitness optimization for performance, for athletic performance, but not be performing 100% biologically speaking.

02:43:13.000 How so?

02:43:14.000 What do you mean by that?

02:43:15.000 Well, I think of like...

02:43:18.000 In the book, I use cycling as an example, where you can have people who have huge VO2 max capacity because they're doing a ton of endurance training, but the bone density in their hips in most competitive cyclists is lower than what it should be.

02:43:36.000 They actually have the hips of an 70-year-old woman with osteoporosis.

02:43:43.000 Because they're not carrying any weight?

02:43:43.000 Why is that?

02:43:44.000 They're just sitting on that bike?

02:43:46.000 Because they've isolated the variable that they're training for.

02:43:49.000 Bone density is not necessary.

02:43:50.000 It's a waste, actually, of bone density.

02:43:52.000 So there's a lot of health trade-offs.

02:43:56.000 That occur when we train for performance without keeping our eye constantly on biology.

02:44:02.000 So I would say that my bone density, the bone density of hunter-gatherer populations is way higher than it is in even heavy lifters because bone density is a whole head-to-toe phenomenon.

02:44:15.000 And...

02:44:17.000 People who've worn shoes their entire time, the bone density in their feet is pretty low.

02:44:20.000 The size and shape of your bones is small already.

02:44:24.000 Even if you do a lot with it, the size and the shape is limited by the fact that you don't move all the time.

02:44:34.000 Even though you do a ton of work to optimize your fitness level in that hour, You're sedentary 96% of the time so that the physical cap for optimization is just different.

02:44:46.000 It's just different.

02:44:47.000 It's just a different set of variables by which to assess yourself.

02:44:52.000 But they're not mutually exclusive.

02:44:53.000 Someone could be doing everything that you're doing and also lift weights and improve their bone density and muscle density.

02:44:59.000 But I think you can be too strong.

02:45:01.000 You can be too tight.

02:45:04.000 So again, in the birthing community, there's this thing of, you know, why are women who are doing a lot of exercise, like their muscles get to the point where the tension, their resting tension is higher than what it should be,

02:45:19.000 like say in their pelvic floor, and then they're having to generate Way more force or their tissues will tear or give because the tension is greater than what is natural.

02:45:29.000 Okay, that makes sense.

02:45:30.000 Because you can get stronger and stronger and stronger, but at what point is your tension higher than natural because of the context of doing nothing else the rest of the time?

02:45:39.000 Like, we'll carry our kids, but then there's this huge, very fit guy, and he came up to us and he's like, if I had to carry my kids, there's no way my back could tolerate it for more than 20 minutes, and I've been following you guys around all day, and you've had these kids for hours.

02:45:51.000 He's like, I couldn't even do it, so who's stronger? 1.00

02:45:55.000 That guy sounds like a pussy. 1.00

02:45:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:45:57.000 I don't think we should go by that guy.

02:45:59.000 No.

02:46:00.000 Can't carry his kids for 20 minutes. 0.99

02:46:01.000 That's ridiculous. 0.96

02:46:02.000 Yeah, well, his back, I mean, he worked out a lot, but he obviously had some sort of weak leak in his system. 0.88

02:46:08.000 And, of course, you can mitigate that, right, by better training practices.

02:46:12.000 I think he's a bad example because I think...

02:46:12.000 Yeah.

02:46:15.000 Anyone can overload their system in an unnatural way, and that's a huge issue with weightlifting, especially with people who do isolation exercises.

02:46:22.000 I'm a big proponent of functional strength exercises, like full body weight or full body movements and things along those lines, and that's something that Yeah.

02:46:44.000 Yeah.

02:46:54.000 Yeah, it has come in the last 10 years to a whole different level of functional.

02:47:00.000 So I think I'm just calling for it to become even more functional, like real functional, like stuff that you would actually do in life.

02:47:08.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm fascinated by your approach, but I just wonder how practical it would be for the average person.

02:47:15.000 You seem to have engineered your life in order to do it this way, and it's great, it's wonderful, but I just wonder how many other people could sort of apply that to their lives, unless they had some sort of...

02:47:25.000 I mean, you have to have a lot of freedom to do what you're doing, you know?

02:47:30.000 What does your husband do?

02:47:32.000 Does he have a job?

02:47:33.000 He works with me.

02:47:33.000 He works with you?

02:47:34.000 Okay.

02:47:35.000 I mean, we just run our company from online.

02:47:40.000 I have a podcast and a blog and write books and stuff.

02:47:43.000 What is your podcast?

02:47:44.000 Katie Says.

02:47:45.000 Yeah, so it just talks about this kind of stuff, breaking it down, though, in much smaller bites.

02:47:45.000 Katie Says.

02:47:52.000 So, yeah, we were very fortunate.

02:47:54.000 We worked hard to get to this point, though, where just managing Me and what I produce and speaking.

02:48:02.000 I do a lot of speaking.

02:48:03.000 So he's sort of like a manager, co-works with you and sort of helps you along with what you're doing?

02:48:09.000 Yeah, but we're both also raising the kids, right?

02:48:11.000 So we're sharing.

02:48:13.000 So you're just constantly jumping in and tagging in and tagging out.

02:48:17.000 And taking turns working at night and someone works early in the morning and just getting all the things done.

02:48:22.000 What did he used to do before you guys became the Grizzly Adams family?

02:48:26.000 He was an editor, like a magazine article editor, so he's a copy editor and just kind of a jack of all trades, just writing, so it's helped me a lot.

02:48:37.000 Producing, writing, and stuff.

02:48:38.000 Well, also, I bet that sitting down writing all this, he's probably really aware of what you're talking about and the issues that people that do that kind of thing face.

02:48:46.000 It's probably attractive to him to sort of pursue what you're advocating.

02:48:50.000 Yeah, and it's funny because he was actually, he was a total barefoot guy.

02:48:55.000 You know, I didn't know this about him when he was in college.

02:48:59.000 Here in L.A. He's kind of like the Big Lebowski.

02:49:02.000 My husband is very similar to, if you know who the character of the Big Lebowski is.

02:49:06.000 He's kind of like that guy.

02:49:07.000 He's like the dude.

02:49:08.000 He's just kind of a cool kind of hangout kind of guy.

02:49:11.000 And he was barefoot, like in a bathrobe a lot of the time.

02:49:14.000 So he already had this barefoot component and then he worked in New York City.

02:49:17.000 He was barefoot in a bathrobe?

02:49:18.000 I think a lot of the time.

02:49:21.000 Getting in ingredients for his white Russians. 1.00

02:49:25.000 Like the big Lebowski. 0.95

02:49:26.000 Like the dude.

02:49:28.000 It's not the big Lebowski, right?

02:49:29.000 It's the dude.

02:49:30.000 He's like the dude.

02:49:31.000 He's a stoner then.

02:49:32.000 Yeah.

02:49:33.000 It's a good place for you.

02:49:34.000 Be the Pacific Northwest.

02:49:36.000 It's a good place for stoners.

02:49:37.000 That's right.

02:49:37.000 It's everywhere up there.

02:49:38.000 It's growing wild.

02:49:39.000 Washington, man.

02:49:40.000 Yeah, well, Washington is one of the few states that had the courage to make it legal.

02:49:44.000 Now it's Oregon now and some couple other places it's going to become legal too.

02:49:50.000 I think what you're doing is really fascinating.

02:49:52.000 Like I said, I just wonder how many people could actually apply it to their life.

02:49:57.000 But I think it's really cool that you're doing it.

02:49:59.000 I think it's really cool that you're sort of documenting it and explaining it.

02:50:03.000 And do you talk about this kind of stuff a lot and Katie says?

02:50:06.000 I do.

02:50:07.000 People have questions.

02:50:07.000 I think their questions are like, how do I do it?

02:50:11.000 You know, so people tweet me their pictures of like, here's me sitting on the floor in front of my couch.

02:50:17.000 You know, the couch is still there, but they're just sitting on the floor in front of it.

02:50:20.000 Or we have indoor monkey bars so that even if we're inside, you know, the kids can still train.

02:50:26.000 We can all train.

02:50:28.000 So they just kind of go down the hallway.

02:50:30.000 Yeah.

02:50:30.000 So you can swing your way to the kitchen?

02:50:31.000 Whoa, you guys are freaks.

02:50:33.000 Yeah.

02:50:34.000 But so are lots of other people now.

02:50:36.000 Yeah, listen.

02:50:37.000 People come over to my house, they think I'm a freak too.

02:50:39.000 I mean, we're all freaks in our own little weird ways.

02:50:41.000 But I think your freakiness is a very healthy and conscientious freakiness.

02:50:41.000 Sure, sure.

02:50:46.000 It's pretty obvious that you're thinking.

02:50:48.000 This is not just something you're just jumping into.

02:50:50.000 No.

02:50:51.000 You put a great deal of thought into this.

02:50:52.000 Yeah.

02:50:54.000 What kind of criticisms do you get?

02:50:56.000 I mean, I'm sure you must get criticisms because of the anti-vaccine.

02:50:59.000 Well, not even your anti-vaccination.

02:51:01.000 The fact that you have not yet vaccinated your kids.

02:51:04.000 Well, I don't know.

02:51:05.000 It's the first time I ever told anyone publicly that I don't.

02:51:09.000 Really?

02:51:09.000 Yeah, no one's ever asked me before.

02:51:11.000 I'm not an anti-vaccinator.

02:51:15.000 I believe in vaccines.

02:51:19.000 There's just a timeline.

02:51:20.000 What I didn't do was do early vaccines.

02:51:24.000 I work with a lot of people in medicine, a lot of people.

02:51:29.000 On a regular basis, and so I just have the way that I'm doing it, but yeah, I guess it is a big...

02:51:37.000 It's a hot topic.

02:51:38.000 It is a hot topic.

02:51:39.000 Yeah, it's a hot topic in terms of criticism as well.

02:51:42.000 People love to jump on people that aren't vaccinating their kids, or jump on anyone who's trying to connect any vaccinations towards any sort of ailments and diseases.

02:51:52.000 I've talked to many doctors, and That are pro-vaccine, that think that the protocols that we instill, as far as everyone being subscribed to the same protocol, that's probably not the best way to deal with anything biological because people have so much biodiversity.

02:52:11.000 There's so much difference between one thing that will make someone terribly ill and the same exact substance won't affect someone at all, whether it's allergies or...

02:52:23.000 Sensitivities to certain medications, and you're going to run the risk, especially when you're introducing a lot of chemicals into a very young immune system, a very young child.

02:52:34.000 Yeah, I mean, I would agree.

02:52:37.000 There was a timing issue for us in the way that we wanted to do it.

02:52:43.000 I don't really believe that the vaccinations are tied to any I think it's just a load to the body as a whole and watching.

02:53:04.000 Wanting my children to process and develop certain things first where, you know, the risk of any overload or mismatch, as you call it, like in terms of biology and medicine, where it's just less of a new thing.

02:53:20.000 You know, the structure is a little bit more formed and more able to process anything that you put into it.

02:53:27.000 It seems like there's an issue with some parents where some parents want to criticize people that are raising their kids in a different way.

02:53:36.000 Yeah.

02:53:36.000 And they do it either because they don't like the way it makes them examine the way they're raising their kids, so they do it defensively, or they're judgmental, or everybody thinks they're doing it the right way and everybody else is doing it the wrong way.

02:53:49.000 Do you face a lot of that?

02:53:50.000 Because this is a very unconventional way of raising children.

02:53:53.000 It is.

02:53:54.000 And I think if I got any criticisms, it would be for that, for the way that we want to raise our kids.

02:54:04.000 And I don't have any problem with the way anyone wants to raise their kids.

02:54:09.000 This is just what we're doing.

02:54:11.000 This is what we're trying.

02:54:12.000 I just happen to be in a more public format.

02:54:15.000 And I'm writing about it.

02:54:17.000 There's very conscious biomechanical choices of why I'm doing this.

02:54:21.000 What I'm doing like I go here's the process of mechanotransduction and here's the list of diseases and here's here's the known environments and so here's the environments that we're changing so in that way it's kind of like a an experiment in in current process right that word that we're doing but yeah it's I think the worst thing I was ever called by someone you know in a comment section and I don't spend I spent almost zero time reading It's not my thing.

02:54:50.000 That's smart.

02:54:51.000 Yeah, I feel like the quality of interaction isn't someone Yeah.

02:55:06.000 Yeah.

02:55:18.000 Yeah, and I think anonymously, if there was some reason to not, if there was some way to not have it be anonymous, I think you would see a change.

02:55:25.000 Even that, then all of a sudden you're interacting with some person, and what's lacking is the social cues.

02:55:30.000 There's things that people will tell you things online that they would never tell you, just looking at you, in front of you.

02:55:37.000 And if they did, they would be completely socially retarded to do that. 0.99

02:55:40.000 But there's no consequence. 0.99

02:55:42.000 You're just typing something shitty. 0.99

02:55:45.000 And the one thing that you can get from that is that all those people are socially retarded. 0.99

02:55:51.000 Anyone who does that.

02:55:52.000 Like, okay, your input is not valid. 1.00

02:55:55.000 Because your input, like this insulting thing that you've written, you've written that because you're an idiot. 1.00

02:56:00.000 Like, that's it. 1.00

02:56:00.000 That's the only reason why you do it. 1.00

02:56:01.000 If you're a sensitive person or if you're a person...

02:56:03.000 That considers that person on the other end, unless that person obviously is doing something horribly racist or sexist or whatever, in some way that victimizes other people.

02:56:11.000 You're just talking about someone's opinions and ideas, and you're doing so in a very insulting way. 1.00

02:56:15.000 You're doing so because you're an emotionally stunted fuckhead. 0.98

02:56:18.000 That's what you are, and so that's why you're drawn to this anonymous contribution in the first place, whereas the large majority of people when they watch a YouTube video will not leave a comment. 0.99

02:56:30.000 The large majority.

02:56:32.000 And the people that do, the overwhelming number of negative comments.

02:56:36.000 It represents way more than I think the average population because you're dealing with a sort of a stunted group in the first place. 0.86

02:56:44.000 Yeah, I think there's already a certain I have a message board and it's amazing.

02:56:59.000 I've had it since 1998. There's always going to be assholes. 0.99

02:57:02.000 There's a certain amount of assholes you're just going to get. 1.00

02:57:04.000 There's a certain amount of people that just want attention, so they just want to be shitty and insulting. 0.99

02:57:09.000 The intelligent discussions, the large majority of intelligent discussions and interesting different viewpoints.

02:57:16.000 Once people get away from this idea of just demanding attention by just being just shitty, which is like what a lot of people do in these social network forums, whether it's Twitter or Facebook. 0.97

02:57:29.000 You get more attention by being shitty. 0.63

02:57:32.000 But once you get past that, you can find communities. 0.98

02:57:35.000 You can cultivate communities.

02:57:36.000 But it's hard to do without some form of regulation.

02:57:40.000 And when you regulate, you censor.

02:57:42.000 And so it becomes like, you know what's going on in France right now, of course, right?

02:57:45.000 With this cartoonist, these people that were killed.

02:57:50.000 Well, now France has arrested like 60 people for making Facebook posts that they thought were either in In support of terrorism or criticizing their government.

02:58:02.000 They arrested a comedian recently for some comment that he's made about the relationship between terrorism and this This horrible tragedy. 0.88

02:58:16.000 It's really kind of fucked up because it's kind of counterintuitive to the whole idea that you're supposed to be supporting in the first place. 0.86

02:58:22.000 But the communities that we have online right now, I think a big part of it is they don't feel the interaction. 0.98

02:58:29.000 They just send it out there almost like a message in the bottle and you're on the other hand receiving it.

02:58:34.000 Do you read a lot of your comments on your board still?

02:58:36.000 I read a lot of the comments on the board.

02:58:38.000 I read a lot of comments on Twitter.

02:58:40.000 I still interact with people.

02:58:41.000 But I believe it's like snake venom. 1.00

02:58:44.000 If you just get bitten by a snake and you've never been bitten before, you're kind of fucked. 0.99

02:58:48.000 But if you get snake venom all the time, you go, oh, I know what that is. 1.00

02:58:51.000 Some fucking weirdo. 1.00

02:58:53.000 That's a good way to say it. 1.00

02:58:54.000 You can feel the...

02:58:55.000 I don't...

02:58:56.000 I have a very kind kind of group of people who read and follow and tweet.

02:59:00.000 Very rarely do I get the kind of person you're talking about.

02:59:03.000 But you occasionally get mean people.

02:59:05.000 Well, I mean, the biggest one was someone who said that I was racist.

02:59:08.000 I was raising my children as colonists because I didn't have furniture.

02:59:12.000 You don't even want to sit in your own culture's furniture and stuff. 0.97

02:59:15.000 Sit in your own culture's furniture?

02:59:18.000 What is that?

02:59:18.000 Yeah.

02:59:19.000 Like plantation furniture?

02:59:20.000 Well, I was like...

02:59:21.000 It's just...

02:59:22.000 It's such a random irritation for this person.

02:59:26.000 You can't read that.

02:59:27.000 No.

02:59:27.000 Katie Bowman, you're awesome.

02:59:28.000 I really enjoyed this conversation.

02:59:30.000 Thank you.

02:59:30.000 This was a lot of fun.

02:59:31.000 Very educational.

02:59:31.000 I learned a lot from this.

02:59:32.000 I'm going to have to think about a lot of things you said.

02:59:34.000 I'm going to have to really go over it.

02:59:36.000 I'm going to listen to your podcast too.

02:59:38.000 So it's Katie Says.

02:59:39.000 It's available everywhere.

02:59:40.000 iTunes, the whole deal.

02:59:42.000 Yes?

02:59:42.000 Yes.

02:59:43.000 And your books, people can get them.

02:59:45.000 Bookstore, Amazon.

02:59:47.000 And your website.

02:59:49.000 katiesays.com katiesays.com Thank you very much for doing this.

02:59:52.000 I really appreciate it.

02:59:53.000 Thanks, Jill.

02:59:54.000 It was a lot of fun.

02:59:55.000 Bye, everybody!

02:59:56.000 Big kiss! 0.92

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 14, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #601 - Katy Bowman

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