The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #675 - Kirik Jenness & Chris Palmquist

00:00:00.000 Alright, we're live.

00:00:02.000 That's it.

00:00:02.000 You don't have to deal with Chris.

00:00:03.000 Don't worry about it.

00:00:04.000 Alright.

00:00:04.000 Carrick, Chris, what's going on guys?

00:00:07.000 Are you paying attention?

00:00:08.000 What are you doing?

00:00:09.000 Hello, Chris.

00:00:10.000 Yeah, I'm good.

00:00:10.000 What are you doing?

00:00:10.000 Checking your email?

00:00:11.000 We're alive.

00:00:12.000 There's a million people. 1.00

00:00:13.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00

00:00:15.000 I'm good. 1.00

00:00:15.000 Let me see my Facebook. 1.00

00:00:17.000 Oh, I got a like on that picture.

00:00:19.000 I get one here.

00:00:20.000 You guys are the head, the owners of my favorite all-time website for Mixed Martial Arts.

00:00:26.000 It's changed names three or four times since I've been a member.

00:00:29.000 Submissionfighting.com back in the day, right?

00:00:31.000 What was the original?

00:00:32.000 The original, well, I grabbed a bunch of URLs before the sport really had a name.

00:00:37.000 That would have been 95-ish or so.

00:00:40.000 One of the ones we grabbed was submissionfighting.com.

00:00:42.000 I asked the guys at the gym, out of submissionfighting.com, mixedmartialarts.com, and a few other ones what they liked.

00:00:47.000 They said submissionfighting.com.

00:00:48.000 So we ran with that for a few years.

00:00:50.000 But I would get outraged emails from people saying, this is not what I was expecting.

00:00:54.000 And what they wanted was one of those sort of porno apartment wrestling kind of sites.

00:00:58.000 Right.

00:00:59.000 And then my mother said, she would tell her friends what I was up to, and they'd say, what's the URL? And she'd say, submissionfighting.com, and she'd get long looks from them.

00:01:07.000 So after my mother started complaining, I changed it to mixedmartialarts.com.

00:01:11.000 Then the UFC switched to UFC TV, so we became MMA TV. And then the UFC dropped the TV, so we went back to mixedmartialarts.com.

00:01:20.000 That's where we are forever.

00:01:21.000 Although, somebody offered us...

00:01:24.000 They didn't complete $600,000 for MixedMartialArts.com, and we would have dropped it in a heartbeat for that and gone back to MMA TV. Why didn't you take it?

00:01:31.000 We did take it.

00:01:32.000 They didn't come through with the money.

00:01:34.000 Oh, they changed.

00:01:34.000 Jesus Christ.

00:01:36.000 It's all yours.

00:01:37.000 $600,000?

00:01:38.000 $600,000.

00:01:39.000 That's insane.

00:01:41.000 Wow.

00:01:42.000 Didn't business.com go for like 7 million bucks or something crazy like that?

00:01:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:01:47.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

00:01:49.000 That's a lot of goddamn scratch. 1.00

00:01:50.000 The one that kills me, though, is I turned down MMA.com for $200 at the time. 0.98

00:01:55.000 Because the sport really wasn't mixedmartialarts.com.

00:01:59.000 People called it that, but MMA wasn't really a thing yet.

00:02:02.000 It was the main mall association, and they had let it lapse.

00:02:06.000 And for $200, I could have grabbed it.

00:02:07.000 And I'm like, eh, $200.

00:02:08.000 It's a lot of money.

00:02:10.000 What year was this?

00:02:12.000 It's 99 maybe, 98, 99, 97, somewhere in there.

00:02:17.000 Do you remember what year it became called Mixed Martial Arts?

00:02:21.000 Oh, the whole sport?

00:02:22.000 I would, I mean, I would date that to when everybody got together, when Nick Lembo got everybody together in New Jersey and came up with the Unified Rules, which would have been 2000-ish, and that's when the name sort of started to stick.

00:02:37.000 But they were calling it, didn't Big John McCarthy name it?

00:02:40.000 I have heard a variety of explanations for where the name came from, and I honestly don't know.

00:02:47.000 I don't think there's anyone that's definitive.

00:02:50.000 I'm pretty sure I heard Big John say that he named it.

00:02:54.000 It was either him or it was Jeff Blatnick.

00:02:57.000 I've heard Jeff say it, yeah.

00:02:59.000 More than once, Jeff has said that he coined the term.

00:03:02.000 I'm going to have to ask Big John because he's up at San Diego with us, so we'll get back and see if he claims that.

00:03:08.000 What is going on in San Diego?

00:03:10.000 Kirk and myself are up there for a convention.

00:03:12.000 It's the Association of Athletic Commissions.

00:03:14.000 It's a blast.

00:03:15.000 It's all the athletic commissions in the country come together for a year and drink and just pretty much talk to each other about the issues that are going on in their ACs and they try to...

00:03:24.000 Well, obviously not for a year.

00:03:25.000 How long does it go for?

00:03:26.000 No, sorry.

00:03:27.000 They come together every year.

00:03:28.000 Once a year.

00:03:28.000 Yes.

00:03:29.000 It's like a week event for them. 0.98

00:03:31.000 And they just go over rules and shit like that? 0.78

00:03:35.000 There's a huge amount of socializing, and that's trivializing it. 0.88

00:03:40.000 The thing is, the Association of Boxing Commissions was formed by a federal law, the Muhammad Ali Act, but that law has no teeth.

00:03:47.000 There's no penalties if you don't pay any attention to suspensions.

00:03:51.000 Nothing happens.

00:03:53.000 So the whole association is basically built on goodwill.

00:03:56.000 So there's an awful lot of just people getting to know each other and having a beer.

00:04:00.000 And Chris often acts as a bartender and gets to know people that way.

00:04:03.000 And it sounds like it's a little trivial just to get to know people, but it's actually the glue that holds the whole ABC together.

00:04:08.000 So that's how it holds together.

00:04:10.000 Like, say, if somebody gets banned in, say, Mississippi, they keep them banned in Massachusetts, things along those lines.

00:04:15.000 That's it exactly.

00:04:16.000 The Muhammad Ali Act says that requires, federal law requires that boxing commissions share suspension information so you can't get knocked out in Boston and then the next weekend go up to New Hampshire and get knocked out again and then go to Maine and get knocked out again.

00:04:28.000 Which used to be a real problem.

00:04:30.000 It still is a real problem in places like Mexico.

00:04:34.000 Mexico doesn't hand out suspension so guys just literally will if they're, because they're poor.

00:04:40.000 They'll get knocked out every weekend.

00:04:42.000 MMA is built on fair fights from the beginning, but boxing is built on tomato cans.

00:04:47.000 And so there's a huge market for fighters that just lose.

00:04:53.000 And they get knocked out all the time in Mexico.

00:04:55.000 Right, like that guy that fought Mickey Rourke in Russia.

00:04:58.000 He has this insane losing record.

00:05:01.000 And he's homeless somewhere around here, actually.

00:05:03.000 Yeah, Pasadena.

00:05:05.000 Guy who lives in the streets, and his job is basically to show up and get knocked unconscious.

00:05:09.000 And didn't even do a good job of it.

00:05:10.000 That was bizarre.

00:05:12.000 It's bizarre that those things still happen.

00:05:14.000 Like, did you see the one in Mexico?

00:05:16.000 The politician that has the fake muscles?

00:05:18.000 The guy with a huge chest.

00:05:19.000 Yeah, that was absolutely bizarre.

00:05:21.000 Have you seen it, Chris?

00:05:21.000 No, I don't think I've seen it.

00:05:23.000 You need to see it.

00:05:24.000 We'll play it for you.

00:05:25.000 It's a boxing match. 0.99

00:05:25.000 Oh, it's ridiculous. 0.99

00:05:26.000 You can kind of call it a boxing match. 0.97

00:05:28.000 It's a guy who has synthol injected into his arms and chest and his shoulders.

00:05:33.000 You know that synthol stuff?

00:05:35.000 If you don't know, people are listening to this.

00:05:36.000 Synthol is something that...

00:05:38.000 I guess bodybuilders created it because if they had a body part that wasn't sticking out enough, that wasn't symmetrical, like say, some guys, their calves don't grow very well, so they would have these big upper bodies, big legs, but their calves would be skinny.

00:05:52.000 So they would inject this oil into their calves and it makes your muscles swell up, but they're like fake boobs. 0.99

00:05:59.000 They jiggle when you move. 0.71

00:06:02.000 So this guy has it all over his body.

00:06:04.000 He has it on his shoulders.

00:06:05.000 He has it on his chest.

00:06:07.000 He has it on his arms.

00:06:08.000 And because of that, first of all, his arms are heavy.

00:06:12.000 It's like he's punching with like 10-pound gloves, and the other guy has 8-ounce gloves.

00:06:18.000 And this guy is known for having fake fights.

00:06:20.000 Apparently he has like 11 fake fights on his record.

00:06:22.000 And he's a senator in Mexico.

00:06:25.000 And he comes from a wealthy family.

00:06:27.000 The guy on the left, massive plastic surgery all over his face. 1.00

00:06:30.000 His whole face looks like a fucking kabuki mask. 0.99

00:06:33.000 But look, his whole body is like fake. 0.99

00:06:37.000 And if you turn it up, Jamie, so we can hear, when the crowd sees him fight, they start laughing.

00:06:44.000 Like really loud.

00:06:46.000 Like, give us some volume here.

00:06:55.000 I look like this guy.

00:06:56.000 Listen to the crowd.

00:06:59.000 Oh yeah, you can hear the laugh. 1.00

00:07:02.000 I mean, get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:07:06.000 That's like a sketch from Mad TV. Short left. 0.99

00:07:19.000 Look at this.

00:07:20.000 Look at the way he's throwing punches. 1.00

00:07:21.000 It's literally like he's got lead all over his arms because of these goddamn synthol muscles. 0.99

00:07:27.000 Like he's carrying pounds of this water stuff, this oil stuff in his body. 0.99

00:07:32.000 I would fight that guy.

00:07:34.000 The guy on the left?

00:07:35.000 Yeah, either one of them, I guess.

00:07:39.000 It's so crazy.

00:07:42.000 This guy's a law graduate.

00:07:44.000 What do you have to do to be a law graduate in Mexico?

00:07:48.000 Pay the fee, I don't know.

00:07:50.000 I mean, maybe you guys might want to suspend that guy if he's still a lawyer.

00:07:55.000 But, you know, it's so crazy because Mexico is known for its great tradition of fantastic boxers, like some of the greatest boxers of all time have come out of Mexico.

00:08:04.000 It's a huge part of their culture.

00:08:06.000 So to have this guy do that, this rich guy do that, is so crazy.

00:08:11.000 But that's always existed.

00:08:12.000 I believe that was done in the Philippines.

00:08:14.000 I think Mexican fans would pull that guy from limb to limb if he tried it in Mexico. 1.00

00:08:18.000 I'm pretty sure that video was shot in the Philippines.

00:08:22.000 Oh, was it?

00:08:23.000 Yeah.

00:08:24.000 Just Mexican fans are very, very, they're like Philly fans.

00:08:26.000 They know exactly what they're looking at.

00:08:28.000 It's just interesting you said that because the guys who are talking, they sound like they have a Filipino accent.

00:08:32.000 The guys who are speaking English.

00:08:34.000 I don't know the Filipino accent well at all, but I definitely would defer to you. 1.00

00:08:37.000 I play a lot of pool, and some of the Filipinos are the great pool players, some of the best pool players ever from the Philippines.

00:08:43.000 So I'm used to the Filipino accent.

00:08:46.000 The website, you guys started, so you've been around for 20 years now.

00:08:53.000 We started the site in 98. So I thought you said 95. 95 I started buying the URLs.

00:08:59.000 I think in 96 we had the art of NHB fighting on AOL. So if you started in 98, I was a member, I think, in 98. I think I was a member like the first year then.

00:09:10.000 If not 98, 99. No, somewhere I've got our first, I think, first 400, and you're definitely on that list.

00:09:15.000 I'm one of the first 400, baby!

00:09:17.000 Woohoo! 1.00

00:09:18.000 How many members do you guys have now?

00:09:19.000 Chris?

00:09:21.000 Active hundreds of thousands probably. 1.00

00:09:23.000 Holy shit! 0.99

00:09:24.000 We have half a million accounts, but you know, those people fall off here and there, but a lot. 0.99

00:09:29.000 Wow!

00:09:29.000 We have 1.3 million people that come to our site every month.

00:09:33.000 That's insane.

00:09:34.000 And growing, so.

00:09:35.000 And growing.

00:09:35.000 Well, it's the best forum, and it's hard to regulate, but you guys have done an amazing job of keeping the douchebags off, or at least keeping them at bay, because that's what ruins those places.

00:09:45.000 It kicks off all the pro fighters. 0.97

00:09:47.000 Like, So many guys used to post there and don't anymore like Tito and a lot of other like Evan Tanner of course is a famous thread that gets bumped up and Every now and then where Evan Tanner was saying hello before he died and It was cool back then that like these guys who are fighting in the UFC would come on on a regular basis But they get run off by these just anonymous shitheads who just say the rudest meanest shit to them after they lost or before the fight,

00:10:14.000 you know like I've talked to bunch of fighters like not even to name names, but Even guys like John Fitch are like, I don't go there. 0.98

00:10:21.000 I gotta stay off there because it fucking fucks up my head. 1.00

00:10:24.000 Like, these guys are assholes. 1.00

00:10:26.000 They're pretty much all assholes. 1.00

00:10:28.000 The problem is... 1.00

00:10:29.000 It's not true. 0.99

00:10:29.000 They're not all assholes. 0.99

00:10:31.000 But when we started, it was a small, tight-knit community of people that were in the sport. 0.97

00:10:35.000 And then, you know, the UFC blows up, so people find us.

00:10:38.000 And now it's a million people.

00:10:40.000 And out of those million people... 0.74

00:10:42.000 Maybe 10,000 are nice, but the rest are just anonymous douchebags.

00:10:47.000 I think it's the opposite. 1.00

00:10:49.000 I think 10,000 are cunts. 0.99

00:10:50.000 The rest of them are fairly nice. 0.99

00:10:53.000 But the cunts are very vocal. 0.97

00:10:54.000 They're on there all the time, and they just speak up all the time. 0.97

00:10:58.000 Well, it's just like they can.

00:11:00.000 I mean, that's the beautiful thing about the internet.

00:11:01.000 It's the horrible thing about the internet. 0.98

00:11:03.000 The beautiful thing about the internet is anyone can talk, and that's the same reason why it sucks. 0.85

00:11:07.000 Yeah, that was perfectly put.

00:11:09.000 It baffled me so much, I actually went to a psychiatrist to ask him.

00:11:13.000 There's a psychiatrist who's a friend of family.

00:11:15.000 I'm like, why do people do that?

00:11:18.000 And he said, human beings have all sorts of emotional impulses, and we're constrained by society from acting out on a lot of them.

00:11:24.000 Maybe you're an unhappy person, you want to swear at every single person you see, but you can't, or you get punched in the eye, or there's other bad feedback.

00:11:30.000 But on the internet, all that stuff just comes out.

00:11:32.000 Yeah.

00:11:33.000 And you're anonymous, so there's no repercussions whatsoever.

00:11:36.000 Like occasionally, you guys hear about that guy on Reddit. 0.99

00:11:39.000 He was a famous, infamous guy on some of these forums because he would post really inappropriate shit, really rude things, nasty things. 0.77

00:11:50.000 And apparently, I don't know if it was anonymous or who went after the guy, but they found his actual identification. 0.98

00:11:56.000 They knew who he actually was.

00:11:57.000 And they contacted his employers, and they sent him the posts that this guy was making, and he got fired.

00:12:05.000 And, you know, they interviewed him, and he said, you know, it was his release.

00:12:08.000 He said he was just playing a role. 0.99

00:12:10.000 And, you know, he would show pictures of underage girls and all kinds of, like, really creepy shit. 0.99

00:12:15.000 Yeah, I mean, that was his thing. 0.99

00:12:17.000 And...

00:12:18.000 It was real in real life.

00:12:21.000 I mean, he got real live repercussions because he got fired because of it.

00:12:24.000 So it was a big deal eventually.

00:12:26.000 It doesn't surprise me at all.

00:12:27.000 We have guys email us every week.

00:12:29.000 Can you please delete all my posts on your forum?

00:12:31.000 Because they're looking for a job.

00:12:33.000 They just don't want that stuff out in public.

00:12:35.000 I've had that happen on my own message board. 0.99

00:12:37.000 But I'm like, dude, your name is like, you know, suck it off 69. You really think someone's going to find that? 0.84

00:12:45.000 It just seems like...

00:12:46.000 It seems like a weird place to look.

00:12:48.000 Now, when you started, what's really interesting about this sport, for folks who don't know, Mixed Martial Arts, when I came along in 1997, when I first started working for the UFC, it was essentially a banned sport.

00:13:01.000 The only way you could get it was DirecTV.

00:13:04.000 That was the only way you could get it.

00:13:05.000 It was banned from cable.

00:13:07.000 And when you would talk to people about it, they would talk to you like you were a horrible person for being involved in such a thing.

00:13:15.000 And the sport stayed alive because of the internet.

00:13:18.000 It was the first sport ever that stayed alive because of the internet.

00:13:22.000 The websites, the Sure Dog or MMA Weekly, I don't know when that came along, but there was a bunch of them that came along.

00:13:29.000 That was how we found out about the sport.

00:13:31.000 That's how we found out about the Pride shows.

00:13:34.000 K1 and you know all the different fights that were going on in Japan and in Brazil the only way to find out about them was the internet so we were all like really active like and you would go to these forums and you would try to find out you know what is happening what's going on now and a lot of times you know you would be able to buy tape I used to get tapes from a dude in Canada A friend of mine in Canada had a friend,

00:13:58.000 and this dude contacted me, a dude named Brian, and I would buy tapes from him.

00:14:03.000 He would get them from Japan, and he would send them down to me in California. 0.61

00:14:06.000 I still have a gang of them.

00:14:08.000 And it was like all Genki Sudos, old fights, and Kid Yamamoto in the early days.

00:14:14.000 And it was such an underground sport.

00:14:18.000 It's one of the reasons why the name of your website was so perfect, because it was the underground of the underground sport.

00:14:26.000 Yeah, I agree 100%.

00:14:27.000 I actually, many, many years ago, maybe 15 years ago, I tried to get Wired Magazine to do an article on it, because they did, maybe it was 10 years ago, they did an article on the role of the internet in revolutions in countries, and that was starting.

00:14:41.000 I was like, hey, I got a sport that was saved by the internet, and they sent them some cool pictures, and they were like, oh, those are cool pictures, we're not interested.

00:14:48.000 But I agree 100%, and I try to get some notice of that in sort of the tech community, or at least as much of the tech community as I know, which wasn't his Wired magazine.

00:14:59.000 Well, there wasn't very many other sports I can claim that.

00:15:02.000 None that I could think of.

00:15:04.000 I mean, what other sport?

00:15:05.000 First of all, there's never been a sport in our life that has grown the way MMA has.

00:15:10.000 There's nothing.

00:15:10.000 Nothing even close.

00:15:11.000 They tried it with soccer, didn't take.

00:15:13.000 I mean, there's been a bunch of attempts.

00:15:15.000 Remember when they had that basketball game that they used to play on trampolines?

00:15:19.000 Oh, they still play that game.

00:15:20.000 I've seen it on ESPN like 7 before.

00:15:23.000 It's like still on on like 1 o'clock in the morning on a Tuesday.

00:15:26.000 That's what they used to have, like PKA karate.

00:15:28.000 PKA karate used to be on at like 1 o'clock in the morning.

00:15:30.000 The kick of the 80s, yep.

00:15:31.000 The kick of the 80s, that's right!

00:15:33.000 That's what they called it.

00:15:35.000 But there was no sport in my lifetime that grew like MMA did, from complete total obscurity to the cover of ESPN, or the front page of CNN, the cover of Sports Illustrated. 0.99

00:15:48.000 Like, that shit never happened. 0.92

00:15:50.000 There's never been a sport that blew up like that. 0.99

00:15:53.000 And when it was at its worst, when it was at its most desperate time, it was sites like yours, really, that kept it alive.

00:16:00.000 Yeah, Ultimate Athlete Magazine listed, again, this is going back 10 or 12 years, because they tried to compete with the UFC with a show also using the term Ultimate, and they got sued and disappeared.

00:16:11.000 But before they disappeared, they gave out, they did the 20 most important things in the history of the internet.

00:16:18.000 And number eight was the underground.

00:16:19.000 And they were like, if not for the underground and several other sites, the sport might have died.

00:16:24.000 And then they went on to discuss exactly what you are, because it had been banned from television and everything.

00:16:29.000 Well, at one point in time, the other ground had more posts than the underground.

00:16:33.000 Oh, it still does.

00:16:34.000 Does it?

00:16:34.000 Well, it got to be so much, our server got full.

00:16:37.000 So we killed the other ground one day, and everybody got mad at us, but it's still more or less even now. 0.97

00:16:42.000 We have to prune it, I think. 0.98

00:16:43.000 It's still more traffic, but we have to, like, every 30 days just delete them, because it's just stupid. 0.97

00:16:48.000 It's these guys that work 9 to 5. They don't even give a shit about MMA. They just found a space in the internet. 0.99

00:16:54.000 With some friends and they just stay there all day. 0.84

00:16:56.000 Some psychos.

00:16:57.000 When I worked nine to five, that's all I did all day.

00:16:59.000 I was IT guy.

00:17:01.000 I was just OG all day.

00:17:02.000 That is the thing about people that have desk jobs where they're not being watched. 0.99

00:17:07.000 The amount of productivity that's lost today because the internet is off the fucking charts. 0.99

00:17:13.000 It is absolutely absurd. 0.95

00:17:15.000 If you look at our stats, we're only popular during work days.

00:17:19.000 Weekends, nobody bothers.

00:17:20.000 They're having fun.

00:17:21.000 They're going to a barbecue or taking a jog or whatever, nighttime.

00:17:24.000 Isn't that amazing?

00:17:24.000 Kissing their girlfriend.

00:17:25.000 It's people at work all day long.

00:17:28.000 It's amazing how much time is being wasted.

00:17:31.000 People are getting paid by the hour to surf the other ground. 1.00

00:17:35.000 And look at girls' asses. 1.00

00:17:36.000 Lots. 1.00

00:17:37.000 Look at one of those 9,700-page ass threads that you guys have.

00:17:42.000 There's a... 0.90

00:17:44.000 It's a testament to how things are screwed up in American management, though, that it's allowed.

00:17:50.000 I mean, nobody should be able to go on the Internet during the workday because they're not going to be doing work.

00:17:55.000 They're going to be...

00:17:56.000 Listening to this podcast right now... 0.98

00:17:59.000 There's a huge amount of people at work with headphones on that aren't doing any fucking work at all. 0.97

00:18:04.000 They're just kicking their feet back. 0.99

00:18:05.000 They might have like a folder open, like they're pretending to pay attention to some fucking spreadsheet. 0.99

00:18:11.000 But really, they're just listening to us. 0.99

00:18:13.000 That's normal.

00:18:14.000 I know that there's a little thing you can download for your computer.

00:18:19.000 So at the touch of a button, a spreadsheet pops open and makes it appear as if you're working hard.

00:18:24.000 So your boss comes and looks over your shoulder and, bing, spreadsheet.

00:18:27.000 Oh, God.

00:18:28.000 I've only worked with Keurig since 06. Before that, I was just an IT guy.

00:18:32.000 I graduated college, regular IT job, but I was into the sport, and so I would work IT 8 to 5, and I had the underground up all the time, or I was doing work for him, like on the side, and I had a button on the floor that was attached to USB, and when I tapped it, like an Excel spreadsheet would pop up,

00:18:49.000 and like another document, so it looked like I was working.

00:18:51.000 So if like a boss came in behind me, tapped the button, looks like I'm working.

00:18:54.000 But I'd really just be OG and I'm working on something else all day.

00:18:58.000 Your boss is listening right now. 1.00

00:18:59.000 He wants his fucking money back. 1.00

00:19:00.000 Yeah, probably. 1.00

00:19:01.000 I think I owe him like 40 grand a year for three years or something.

00:19:04.000 That really is a giant issue.

00:19:08.000 Now, another giant issue that you guys must have come across is bandwidth.

00:19:12.000 I mean, how much bandwidth does that site use?

00:19:15.000 And how much does that cost every month?

00:19:17.000 I remember the first time I ever noticed bandwidth was an issue was $75 a month.

00:19:24.000 And this probably would have been $99 or something.

00:19:26.000 I was like, oh my god, $75 a month?

00:19:28.000 This is insane.

00:19:29.000 And then an ex-NFL player owned a snake store in Colorado.

00:19:36.000 And he kind of heard I was having this huge $75 a month bandwidth issue.

00:19:40.000 And so he said, you know what?

00:19:41.000 Put a banner on your site for my snake store in Colorado.

00:19:45.000 I'll give you $75 a month.

00:19:46.000 I was like, oh my god.

00:19:47.000 God, this is money.

00:19:48.000 This is commerce.

00:19:49.000 And what do we pay now, Chris?

00:19:51.000 $3,000 a month or something for it?

00:19:53.000 Yeah, probably like $3,000 a month.

00:19:54.000 $3,000 a month in bandwidth. 0.98

00:19:56.000 Yeah, hosting, bandwidth, all that fun shit. 0.99

00:19:58.000 That's insane. 0.96

00:19:59.000 And that's not including the capital costs of the hard drives and stuff.

00:20:01.000 And we still go down when something crazy happens, like fight-related, like...

00:20:07.000 People say, like, Greg is about to break the internet or something, and it happens all the time.

00:20:11.000 Kimbo's broken the internet more than once.

00:20:14.000 Kimbo.

00:20:15.000 Big moments.

00:20:16.000 They tend to break things.

00:20:17.000 Now, when you go to the underground, if you go to Mixed Martial Arts, I've almost said MMA.tv.

00:20:23.000 It redirects if you go there.

00:20:24.000 Yeah, we pay $500 a year to keep that, just because half the people still type it in when they go to a browser, so.

00:20:29.000 Well, my browser used to be programmed to it.

00:20:32.000 I would hit M, and that would fill in.

00:20:34.000 I would click that, and then it would forward to MixMartialArts.com.

00:20:37.000 But you got a bunch of banners, like you have Mazda ads.

00:20:40.000 Do you guys have to actively seek those out?

00:20:42.000 No, we have a company that pretty much reps all the ad inventory.

00:20:46.000 So we've made some deals ourselves, like with the endemics, like the Rev Gear and DraftKings and Request a Test, Fox.

00:20:53.000 But someone else just sells the rest.

00:20:55.000 And so now, is this your job entirely for both of you?

00:20:58.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:21:00.000 100%.

00:21:00.000 That's wild, isn't it?

00:21:02.000 Like at one point in time, this must have been like a frivolous thing that you were doing.

00:21:05.000 For him it was, yeah.

00:21:07.000 For the first decade or something, occasionally we would get ahead by a few hundred dollars, and then there'd be some local fighter I know who got a chance to fight in the...

00:21:15.000 Nebraska.

00:21:16.000 I had a guy who got to fight Nebraska, so I bought him an airplane ticket.

00:21:19.000 That's what we would use with our super profits. 0.81

00:21:21.000 And then, I don't know when it turned pro.

00:21:25.000 2008?

00:21:26.000 Maybe 2008. Yeah, we brought in Chris, and Chris kind of got some good deals, and all of a sudden I was like, oh my god, we can make more than $75 a month.

00:21:34.000 Yeah, when I came on board, they were like, we have this website, it gets a million views a month, we make $100 a month.

00:21:40.000 And I'm like, I think you can make more than that.

00:21:42.000 So he's like, yay.

00:21:45.000 Try it.

00:21:45.000 Do it and you got a job.

00:21:47.000 So I reached out to like tap out the big guys in the space and I made big deals that these guys were like, you guys should go ask tap out for 800 bucks a month.

00:21:54.000 And I'm like, let's go ask them for 8,000 and see what happens.

00:21:57.000 And sure enough, tap out bit at the time and it kind of took off from there.

00:22:01.000 That's actually a true story and the numbers are not exaggerated in the least.

00:22:04.000 We were literally like kind of angling for $800 a month and Chris literally said $8,000 a month and they literally bought it and we signed a contract.

00:22:11.000 It's probably the greatest day of my entire life.

00:22:14.000 Tap out is like a great example of the oversaturation of the market.

00:22:18.000 Like tap out at one point in time was cool to wear.

00:22:21.000 I know a lot of people have a hard time believing that. 0.99

00:22:25.000 1998, sophomore year of high school, I ordered the Tap Out shirt from InYourFace.com, and I thought I was the shit. 0.98

00:22:32.000 It said, like, submit to Tap Out to Cry Uncle. 0.98

00:22:35.000 I was like, this is awesome.

00:22:37.000 I wore it once a week to school because I thought it was the best thing in the world.

00:22:40.000 I thought it was so cool.

00:22:42.000 And you wouldn't catch me dead in the Tap Out shirt before, like, nine years ago.

00:22:47.000 So now you can't catch you dead in tap-out shows?

00:22:49.000 No, not a chance.

00:22:51.000 What happened?

00:22:52.000 I think they got related to the douchebag aspect of MMA fans.

00:22:57.000 There is that whole big culture of douchey MMA fans.

00:23:01.000 Tap-out and affliction, they all got kind of stuck in that.

00:23:04.000 How did that happen?

00:23:05.000 I don't know how it happens.

00:23:08.000 Well...

00:23:09.000 At a grappling tournament, again, 15 years ago or something, I had an interaction with a guy that stuck with me ever since.

00:23:17.000 I had made some call in some match, and I think it was his match, not one of his students.

00:23:21.000 He's got a big school up in Canada now.

00:23:23.000 And he was arguing with me that I made the point wrong.

00:23:25.000 And I was like, dude, it's just grappling.

00:23:27.000 Come on, man.

00:23:28.000 And he looked at me and he goes, look, this is what we do instead of having health insurance.

00:23:33.000 And I just got called and I apologized and I listened to what he said.

00:23:38.000 What?

00:23:39.000 He said grappling is what I do instead of having health insurance.

00:23:42.000 So he pays for grappling instructions instead of having health insurance.

00:23:46.000 He was so serious about his lessons at Henzo's that he had moved from Canada, moved from Canada to New York, was taking lessons at Henzo's.

00:23:53.000 He's a black belt now.

00:23:54.000 He was probably a blue belt or a purple belt then.

00:23:56.000 I was reffing a match.

00:23:58.000 Probably made a wrong call.

00:23:59.000 He lost.

00:24:00.000 I was telling him, it's not that important.

00:24:02.000 And he said, this is what I do instead of having health insurance.

00:24:04.000 I can't do both.

00:24:05.000 That's how serious it is for me.

00:24:07.000 And there's a hardcore fan base of the sport that's like that.

00:24:10.000 Like, if you were like, okay, health insurance or never discussing or having anything to do with MMA, they're, sorry, health insurance, hope I don't break my leg.

00:24:18.000 But that's the hardcore fan base.

00:24:20.000 Around them, there's millions of knuckleheads that... 0.86

00:24:24.000 We're good to go.

00:24:40.000 I'm wearing one right now.

00:24:40.000 You're wearing one right now.

00:24:41.000 I wear this shit all the time. 1.00

00:24:43.000 I wear jackets, too. 1.00

00:24:44.000 Yeah, I've got one in my suitcase right now.

00:24:49.000 They managed to do it with integrity.

00:24:51.000 I see their apparel around a lot.

00:24:54.000 And to me, at least, they still have complete integrity.

00:24:56.000 If the president and the entire Senate was wearing it, I'd still be like, yeah...

00:25:00.000 Roots of Fight is awesome.

00:25:02.000 Well, Roots of Fight takes old, like, fight promo posters and turns them into cool t-shirts and all, like this one.

00:25:08.000 This is the actual sign for the Gracie Academy in, like, the 1950s.

00:25:13.000 And this is amazing.

00:25:15.000 To me, it's like a little piece of history.

00:25:17.000 So, I don't think they're ever going to go out of style.

00:25:20.000 But there's a certain douchey element that's attached to the t-shirt world of mixed martial arts because it became a way that guys that sort of...

00:25:30.000 Identify with the sport.

00:25:31.000 Like, this is one that I always cite.

00:25:33.000 There's a real shirt that I saw in New Jersey.

00:25:35.000 This guy was wearing a shirt that said, some guys grapple, some guys strike, I'm both. 0.99

00:25:42.000 I was like, oh, you're disgusting. 0.95

00:25:45.000 I actually know that company, yeah. 0.95

00:25:47.000 Yeah, some guys are strikers, some guys are grapplers, I'm both.

00:25:52.000 My favorite MMA t-shirt of all time is, Kip did a runoff of it, but a couple of companies have, my girlfriend loves to grapple, but you should see her box.

00:26:01.000 My favorite MMA t-shirt I've ever had.

00:26:03.000 I think I still have it in the closet somewhere. 0.97

00:26:05.000 That's a good shirt for Boston, too, because the word box is synonymous with vagina in Boston. 1.00

00:26:11.000 And it's one of those weird things. 0.95

00:26:13.000 Is it just a Boston thing?

00:26:14.000 I did not know that that was just a Boston thing.

00:26:16.000 I just assumed it was worldwide.

00:26:17.000 It's spread.

00:26:20.000 We've spread it.

00:26:21.000 We've spread it across the world.

00:26:23.000 But I think it came from our neck of the woods.

00:26:26.000 I think box was like...

00:26:28.000 It doesn't even look like a box.

00:26:30.000 I don't know.

00:26:31.000 Maybe a Kleenex, because it's like the box with this hole in the middle.

00:26:34.000 Well, how are tits cans? 1.00

00:26:35.000 Tits were cans for a long time. 1.00

00:26:38.000 Right?

00:26:38.000 What is that?

00:26:39.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:26:41.000 Right? 0.92

00:26:42.000 I don't think any of the nicknames for tits make sense, probably. 0.99

00:26:46.000 Boobs. 1.00

00:26:46.000 They look like boobs. 1.00

00:26:47.000 Did you ever think at one point in time of not keeping that site going? 1.00

00:26:51.000 Was there any time where it was becoming too expensive or too much of a pain in the ass and you were just like, ah, fuck this place. 0.99

00:26:56.000 No, the worst of the sport is in some ways when I was the most dedicated to it. 0.99

00:27:02.000 When the sport got off a pay-per-view, and there was like three pay-per-views in a year, and that was more or less it.

00:27:09.000 Hook and shoot.

00:27:10.000 Jeff would put on a couple of hook and shoots. 0.88

00:27:12.000 There was almost nothing.

00:27:14.000 I figured the sport was going to die on a national basis, and then we would just sort of build it up over 40, 50 years, and I'd be dead at the end of it.

00:27:21.000 But I believed in the sport.

00:27:22.000 I always have.

00:27:23.000 And I thought it would build up from the bottom up.

00:27:26.000 And so I thought the Internet, at the time at least, was incredibly important to do that.

00:27:30.000 So when the sport was at its lowest, I was actually the most excited about keeping the site going. 0.98

00:27:36.000 I've definitely never for a single moment wanted to turn it off because of all the jerks. 0.98

00:27:44.000 Well, I always had loyalty to your site for a couple reasons. 0.96

00:27:47.000 One, because it was one of the first ones that I ever joined, and it was one of the places where, like I said, you would get guys like Josh Barnett would post on there.

00:27:54.000 Tito Ortiz.

00:27:55.000 Yeah, a lot of guys.

00:27:56.000 A lot of big guys.

00:27:56.000 Randy, back in the day.

00:27:58.000 Dan Henderson.

00:27:59.000 Dana White would be on it all the time back in the day. 0.88

00:28:01.000 Dana's still on it every day.

00:28:02.000 He just doesn't do it.

00:28:03.000 He doesn't post anymore?

00:28:05.000 How do you know?

00:28:05.000 Because he calls me about once a week to complain.

00:28:08.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:28:09.000 Legit.

00:28:09.000 Does he complain about, like, posts that are up?

00:28:12.000 Here and there, yeah.

00:28:13.000 You shouldn't have spread that.

00:28:14.000 He's getting mad at you.

00:28:15.000 No, it just says people are, like, making things up about him.

00:28:17.000 He doesn't like that.

00:28:18.000 People right now are...

00:28:20.000 They're going to be making things up right now because they know that you guys are here.

00:28:24.000 Right.

00:28:24.000 I mean, when he says stuff that he says, he doesn't care.

00:28:27.000 But if somebody twists his words and makes something up, he gets upset about that.

00:28:31.000 Well, that's why people do it for fun.

00:28:32.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:28:33.000 It's called trolling.

00:28:36.000 True.

00:28:36.000 I mean, they're going to continue to do it now, Dana.

00:28:39.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:28:39.000 Chris just threw you under the fucking bus. 1.00

00:28:41.000 Yeah, I'm going to get a call in like 10 minutes. 1.00

00:28:43.000 Like, you're fired?

00:28:44.000 Yeah.

00:28:44.000 I always had loyalty for two reasons one because of that but two because Karek and I we know people from from Massachusetts like we knew like We're probably pretty close to the same age.

00:28:54.000 I'm 47. How old are you?

00:28:56.000 54 54 we in that time period we knew a lot of the same martial arts people like I'd heard about you I heard about your school in Western Massachusetts Western Massachusetts was always the home of Larry Kelly who's like a really well-known karate guy and He was my business partner for 20 years. 0.82

00:29:12.000 And he was really popular, or famous rather, for knocking out Billy Blanks back when Billy Blanks was a fucking superhero.

00:29:20.000 I mean, he was the point karate guy. 0.68

00:29:23.000 And that's another one where they dusted a guy off and made him fight again.

00:29:27.000 If you watch that fight with Billy Blanks, Larry Kelly KOs him with a hopping hook kick to the face.

00:29:33.000 And Larry was famous for his hook kick.

00:29:35.000 Which is a really hard shot.

00:29:37.000 It's a hard kick to generate force with.

00:29:40.000 Because your hips have to start out here, and then they have to switch that way. 1.00

00:29:44.000 It's a weird motion.

00:29:46.000 Whereas a round kick seems more natural, kinetically.

00:29:50.000 But Larry had it down.

00:29:51.000 And he hook kicked Billy Blanks in the face and sent him flying.

00:29:56.000 He skid across the mat.

00:29:58.000 He was completely unconscious.

00:30:00.000 And they waited for him to wake up, and then they were literally trying to get him to fight again.

00:30:06.000 This is it right here.

00:30:07.000 Oh, here it is.

00:30:08.000 Watch this. 0.97

00:30:09.000 This is like when people talk shit about the hook kick, I say, well, let me show you something here. 0.99

00:30:14.000 First of all, Bill Superfoot Wallace, and boom, that. 0.99

00:30:17.000 I mean, come on, son.

00:30:19.000 Look at that.

00:30:20.000 I mean, that was beautiful.

00:30:22.000 One more time.

00:30:22.000 Look at this.

00:30:23.000 The hop.

00:30:24.000 Boom.

00:30:24.000 And he disguised it behind the back fist or a jab or whatever he was doing with his front hand.

00:30:30.000 Beautiful.

00:30:31.000 And when they dusted him off after that, if you watch the actual full video, they waited for a long time. 0.99

00:30:38.000 They were trying to get him to go back in there and fight again, which is how stupid people were back then. 1.00

00:30:42.000 That's terrible. 1.00

00:30:43.000 They had no knowledge.

00:30:44.000 When we were coming up, and we were talking before the show started about guys who had been knocked out in the gym and all these people that we know, people get knocked out, they would dust you off and push you right back in there.

00:30:55.000 That day, five minutes later, right here is Billy.

00:30:58.000 They're warming him up.

00:31:00.000 They're like, wake up, Billy.

00:31:01.000 Wake up.

00:31:02.000 Wake up.

00:31:02.000 He's like, I got a dream.

00:31:04.000 It's called Taibo.

00:31:06.000 Smelling salts in his nose.

00:31:09.000 And there was a bunch of these guys.

00:31:11.000 There was him and a bunch of other guys like him that were these really big, super muscular guys that were involved in the point fighting circuit.

00:31:21.000 And they got real good at leaping in and tagging you.

00:31:26.000 And you're starting to see that skill emerge in MMA. I know there's a guy who fights for Bellator.

00:31:33.000 His name is escaping me right now.

00:31:36.000 Venom.

00:31:37.000 What's his name?

00:31:37.000 Yeah.

00:31:38.000 Michael Page, right?

00:31:39.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:31:40.000 And he has that style.

00:31:41.000 And then, of course, you've got Raymond Daniels, who's fighting in glory, who's really picking up the kickboxing game, who also was a great fighter in the point karate circuit.

00:31:52.000 And he's got that style, that leap-in style.

00:31:55.000 And the ability to cover distance, the ability to jump in and cover distance in a way that you can't.

00:32:01.000 There's a lot of guys that are sticking to that Muay Thai style, sort of flat-footed, Tiago Silva, Plod Ford sort of style. 0.99

00:32:09.000 And that shit is not flying anymore. 0.97

00:32:12.000 You've got these guys like TJ Dillashaw that are now using that Neo footwork style. 0.99

00:32:16.000 But the Raymond Daniels style, I think that's the next level.

00:32:20.000 I think you've got that style of leaping in on top of the Neo footwork style.

00:32:24.000 Because...

00:32:25.000 That ability that those guys had of just closing the distance really quick with that karate-style blitz, I still think that's a missing aspect in a lot of MMA. Machida had it a little bit.

00:32:36.000 He has an element of that, but he was more of a counter-striker.

00:32:40.000 I think...

00:32:42.000 Larry Kelly, like, in that video, like, demonstrated, like, why that can be, like, super effective, like that.

00:32:48.000 It actually came, originally, it came into the sport of a point fighting from Bruce Lee, and Bruce Lee picked it up from fencing.

00:32:56.000 Bruce Lee watched all kinds of, like, he watched boxing, he loved Muhammad Ali the same way Dominic Cruz did, try and pick up things from him, and he watched fencing, and Fencers have the quickest footwork and handwork that I personally have ever seen.

00:33:07.000 They just explode forward and he picked it up and he showed it to a karate guy named Joe Lewis, not the boxer Joe Lewis, but a karate guy named Joe Lewis.

00:33:14.000 And Joe Lewis started smashing everybody with it and so everybody else picked it up.

00:33:17.000 And then the point fighting in karate where you stop every single time you land something, which is kind of nutty.

00:33:24.000 It started to dissipate, and people started doing what's called continuous point, where you weren't trying to knock each other out.

00:33:30.000 You were trying to land super clean shots without a knockout, but you kept going, and that's where Daniels came from, and Michael Venom-Page, and guys like that.

00:33:38.000 I do think that it can be applied to the sport.

00:33:41.000 And then, you know, in a couple of years, people learn how to counter that and something new will come along.

00:33:46.000 But when you can do something new in the sport, you get a little edge for a while, like Machida did with his traditional Shotokan karate.

00:33:53.000 Those long, long lunges forward and sort of jabbing super hard and throwing that right hard. 0.99

00:33:58.000 He had an advantage over everybody until he started bringing karate guys in and they're like, okay, it's not that tough to shut down.

00:34:04.000 Once guys figure out what they're doing, you know, once you find a guy who's really good that you can spar with, then you can kind of time it.

00:34:10.000 But until then, it's like, what is this new style of movement that I have in front of me that I don't know anybody who moves like this, and it's super hard to judge.

00:34:20.000 Super hard to judge the timing.

00:34:22.000 I got to watch it organically, most notably through grapplings.

00:34:26.000 I started reffing grappling in the late 90s for my best friend Kip Kolar with Naga. 0.99

00:34:31.000 And I would watch as new grappling techniques would get introduced.

00:34:35.000 When I started, nobody knew what a heel hook was.

00:34:37.000 And then a few guys would learn a heel hook, and guys didn't know how to tap.

00:34:41.000 They didn't know it would break your leg if you didn't tap.

00:34:43.000 And there'd be these horrific injuries of guys spinning the wrong way from heel hooks.

00:34:47.000 And now hardly anybody taps to a heel hook.

00:34:49.000 It's not that tough to get out of.

00:34:51.000 Unless Paul Harris gets you.

00:34:53.000 Unless Paul Harris gets you.

00:34:55.000 Then you're in trouble. 1.00

00:34:56.000 That motherfucker. 1.00

00:34:57.000 Jesus Christ, he's terrifying. 1.00

00:34:58.000 Or Eddie Cummings, or Gary Tonin.

00:35:01.000 There's a new level of guys that are coming at the grappling circuit out of John Donaher School.

00:35:06.000 And it's like this new level of leg locks.

00:35:10.000 Leg locks are really permeating all of grappling and jiu-jitsu now in a very new and strange way.

00:35:15.000 I've had some interesting conversations with Eddie Bravo about it, where Eddie really ignored leg locks until a few years back, and then started incorporating it, and a lot of it is because of the success of a lot of these East Coast guys.

00:35:29.000 Like I said, Gary Tonin, Eddie Cummings, and a lot of it is under the tutelage of Donaher, but there's a lot of guys in grappling that are really getting good at it, and of course, in MMA, it was Paul Harris.

00:35:40.000 It really kind of opened up a lot of people's eyes.

00:35:42.000 Yeah, it's funny you brought it up.

00:35:43.000 I'm going to train with Eddie tonight down in LA, and I told someone that, and they're like, yeah, he's been really working on his leg locks lately, so that's what you need to look out for.

00:35:51.000 My gym, coincidentally, we've been doing leg locks forever.

00:35:53.000 Like, Joe Lozo and those guys, that's their brother and brother.

00:35:56.000 They've been doing flying heel hooks for 10 years, and it all came from a guy named Donnie Banville in Fall River, who's actually passed now, but he grew up with a Japanese mother in Judo, and... 0.94

00:36:09.000 He was like the leg lock king and this is like 2002 and we're like, what the fuck is a leg lock?

00:36:14.000 He came into our gym and he taught us like rolling toe holds. 0.85

00:36:17.000 He taught us to fly and leg lock.

00:36:19.000 All inside, outside, all that stuff.

00:36:21.000 And we're like, this is awesome.

00:36:23.000 And for years, our gym was a competitive advantage.

00:36:26.000 We knew leg locks.

00:36:27.000 So we'd beat guys in grappling tournaments and fights with leg locks and they had no idea what was going on.

00:36:31.000 Do you guys remember Scott Adams?

00:36:33.000 Yeah, of course.

00:36:34.000 WRC, right?

00:36:34.000 Yeah, and he was one of the guys who trained with Chuck, like, way back in the day.

00:36:38.000 He was known as, like, a leg lock master, back when no one knew what the hell leg locks were.

00:36:42.000 He was one of those guys that you would hear about, and you would go to him.

00:36:45.000 You know, there was a few of those guys.

00:36:47.000 Like, Frank Mir had some real good leg locks way, way back in the day. 0.97

00:36:51.000 And that fucked him when he fought Ian Freeman. 0.97

00:36:54.000 Remember that? 1.00

00:36:54.000 He was going for the heel hook. 1.00

00:36:56.000 I was live in London for that one.

00:36:57.000 Were you really?

00:36:58.000 Yeah.

00:36:59.000 Wow.

00:36:59.000 That was when I wasn't working for the UFC. I was watching that at home.

00:37:03.000 And I remember that was the issue with leg locks, was that when someone would attack a leg lock, you would have both your arms committed to the leg lock so you wouldn't be able to defend against punches. 0.99

00:37:13.000 And as you know, with a guy like Ian Freeman, it only takes one to scramble your fucking senses. 0.69

00:37:20.000 And then a couple, I mean, Frank got hit by like four or five in a row. 0.99

00:37:23.000 Boom! 0.99

00:37:25.000 He just was gone, you know, and it's interesting to see that the progression of these techniques how it changes and how it morphs and One of the things like from like if you look at a guy like Larry Kelly or you look at like a lot of these traditional karate techniques those those techniques were kind of looked at Like,

00:37:44.000 those don't work anymore.

00:37:45.000 But now, you're seeing so many of these traditional martial arts techniques.

00:37:50.000 Like, front kicks to the body are now standard.

00:37:53.000 Like, Conor McGregor ruined Chad Mendes with front kicks to the body.

00:37:59.000 Just jabbing him with those front kicks to the body. 0.99

00:38:01.000 And the spinning back kick to the body. 0.97

00:38:03.000 You've seen a lot of guys throw those kicks to the body now.

00:38:05.000 You've seen a lot of wheel kicks.

00:38:07.000 That Wonderboy Thompson fight, we fought Jake Ellenberger. 1.00

00:38:10.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:38:11.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:38:12.000 I mean, you're seeing these traditional techniques that are just super effective when you get them in the hands of a guy like Edson Barboza, when you get them in the hands of a guy who knows all the other things. 0.99

00:38:22.000 Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

00:38:24.000 At various points, I have thought, okay, the sport is done, we've sort of got this body of knowledge, and we've just got to refine what we've got, and we're not going to be seeing a lot of new stuff coming in.

00:38:36.000 And every time I had that thought, six months later, something had come along, and And I would be proven wrong.

00:38:42.000 Including super simple things like the Ironman guillotine.

00:38:45.000 When it first started happening in grappling tournaments, I was reffing.

00:38:48.000 First time it really hit me hard.

00:38:49.000 I was reffing in Hawaii.

00:38:50.000 A guy stuck in an Ironman guillotine.

00:38:52.000 I thought it was a front headlock.

00:38:53.000 In Inaga, you give points if somebody gets close to a tap.

00:38:56.000 And I'm standing here.

00:38:58.000 Like, there's nothing going on.

00:38:59.000 It's a front headlock.

00:39:01.000 And the guy went to sleep. 1.00

00:39:03.000 I was like, oh shit! 0.99

00:39:04.000 Remember Pete Sell and Phil Barone? 0.99

00:39:06.000 Pete Sell put Phil Barone to sleep, and Phil said after the fight, he goes, I didn't know that you could put to sleep with one of those.

00:39:12.000 Right.

00:39:12.000 Because we didn't know.

00:39:13.000 It wasn't that he was ignorant. 0.98

00:39:14.000 We didn't know. 0.98

00:39:16.000 Yeah.

00:39:16.000 But Matt Serra, who was Pete Sell's coach, knew.

00:39:18.000 They were a little bit ahead.

00:39:20.000 Because the jiu-jitsu was Henzo Gracie Blackbell.

00:39:22.000 A little bit ahead.

00:39:23.000 You know, a little bit ahead of everybody.

00:39:24.000 When I started learning jiu-jitsu, I was told, you're safe if the arm's in your front head, in the guillotine.

00:39:29.000 You're like, Oh, just hang out and let go and you're good.

00:39:31.000 You're always safe.

00:39:32.000 They figured out how to get up high on the neck.

00:39:34.000 That's what happened.

00:39:35.000 When guys started getting that guillotine, they would lean back like a regular guillotine and it didn't work.

00:39:39.000 But now when they get up high on the neck, man, it just shuts the lights out.

00:39:43.000 If you got a good grip, you know, there's also different grips.

00:39:46.000 Like this is a big one that a lot of guys are using.

00:39:49.000 This pretzel grip where you wrap around this way.

00:39:51.000 It seems awkward until you have someone's neck in there.

00:39:54.000 And then for some reason it feels amazing.

00:39:57.000 Yeah, I know.

00:39:57.000 Jake Shields likes it.

00:39:59.000 I learned it from Denny Propagos, who was a big fan of adding and incorporating all kinds of weird grips to it.

00:40:06.000 Different people have different grips that they use with techniques, and it's amazing how just those little subtle adjustments have a huge impact on the efficiency of the technique, how much leverage you can get into the technique.

00:40:18.000 Yeah, I think Tom Waller told me that was his grip one day, and I was like, I'll try it.

00:40:22.000 It seems weird, but I like that grip now.

00:40:25.000 It's a great grip.

00:40:26.000 Somebody won in Mexico with a guillotine and then, you know, did like motion to the camera.

00:40:32.000 They went like this and they were like, no, no, no, like this.

00:40:35.000 Like he did it to the camera, showed after he got the tap.

00:40:39.000 The name escapes me who it was.

00:40:41.000 But it's fascinating to me, all the different techniques and the different variables.

00:40:46.000 And we're seeing that even with the traditional martial arts techniques, there's still a lot of things that guys are doing wrong with traditional kicks, like sidekicks and spinning back kicks or turning sidekicks.

00:40:57.000 There's still a lot of guys that have the knee down instead of the knee up.

00:41:00.000 They don't lift the knee high enough because it takes a long time to learn how to do that.

00:41:04.000 But when you do do it, then you get that thrusting kick, which just has so much more power.

00:41:09.000 Like Barboza.

00:41:10.000 Like, you see Barboza's turning sidekicks this weekend?

00:41:13.000 He lifts that knee up high, and it comes straight at you. 1.00

00:41:16.000 That motherfucker kicks so fast! 1.00

00:41:19.000 Can you imagine getting kicked square in the dick? 1.00

00:41:21.000 Like, what's his name did from that spinning back kick? 1.00

00:41:24.000 Heel right to the dick. 0.99

00:41:26.000 I don't know what kind of cup he has, but if it's one of those diamond MMA ones or one of those Thai steel cups. 0.99

00:41:32.000 Yeah, the diamond ones are supposed to be like, you can run them over with a car and they don't move.

00:41:36.000 Do you have one?

00:41:37.000 Yeah, that's what I use.

00:41:38.000 They're incredible.

00:41:39.000 They're great.

00:41:39.000 Do you have one here?

00:41:40.000 Yeah, they're 100%.

00:41:41.000 I can actually do one of those kick me in the Jimmy skits and you can get kicked in the Jimmy and it actually is okay.

00:41:46.000 They have like this commercial.

00:41:47.000 They put an apple in the cup on the ground and they run it over with a regular cup and it gets destroyed.

00:41:52.000 Then they put it on the diamond cup and they run it over and the apple is fine.

00:41:55.000 Yeah, they're legit.

00:41:57.000 4,000 pounds of a car or whatever.

00:42:00.000 Yeah, it's interesting, because all these, you know, these little problems that people used to have, and they still have.

00:42:06.000 There's a lot of guys that still have little shitty old cups. 0.76

00:42:09.000 Like, I don't know what Felder was using, but it looked to me like a regular jockstrap in a cup that you'd buy at fucking a sporting goods store. 0.96

00:42:16.000 $10 Shock Doctor or something cup. 0.93

00:42:17.000 I was cornering Roxanne a few years ago at a strike force, and I think we were just taking a long walk to shake our nerves off.

00:42:26.000 Which Roxanne? 0.97

00:42:26.000 Roxanne Montefiore. 0.97

00:42:27.000 Montefiore?

00:42:27.000 Yeah.

00:42:28.000 It was the same one where Fedor knocked out Rodgers.

00:42:32.000 And I think...

00:42:33.000 Come on...

00:42:37.000 Spit it out. 1.00

00:42:38.000 Has some mental health issues right now. 0.96

00:42:41.000 In this sport?

00:42:42.000 Yeah, he was on the list.

00:42:44.000 Yeah, Jesus Christ.

00:42:45.000 Mayhem Miller.

00:42:47.000 I ran into Mayhem Miller and he had his cup and it was just a cup that you would buy for $14.95 at Dick's Sporting Goods or something.

00:42:56.000 The metal cups are, I think they're the best, because if you kick them, you get a broken toe, and if you figure four somebody's body, you can dig the metal cup into their spine, and they'll tap just from that.

00:43:04.000 I don't even grapple with all the cups now.

00:43:06.000 I feel like I'm not confident.

00:43:08.000 Like, I go to, like, move, and I'm like, ah, just cup...

00:43:11.000 Well, the metal cups are banned from a lot of grappling tournaments because they offer...

00:43:15.000 A weapon, yeah.

00:43:16.000 Yeah, it's a weapon.

00:43:17.000 It's like a leverage point, like a fulcrum point, especially for arm bars.

00:43:23.000 Oh, it's terrible.

00:43:23.000 It's like you have a rock there.

00:43:25.000 It's a completely different point of leverage than you would have if it was just your dick. 0.99

00:43:30.000 I wonder if that's how Big Tim's forearm broke when Mir did it. 0.99

00:43:33.000 I wonder if he had a metal cup on it.

00:43:35.000 He could have.

00:43:36.000 He can have forearm over the edge of the metal cup.

00:43:38.000 I never thought about that.

00:43:39.000 It's very possible.

00:43:40.000 A lot of guys fight with tie cops, steel tie cops.

00:43:42.000 Yeah, I tell everybody too.

00:43:43.000 Like, Joe Lozon has this back mount, and he calls it broke back mount.

00:43:47.000 So he gets the hook set, right?

00:43:50.000 And then he's got the hook set.

00:43:51.000 He flattens you flat on the ground.

00:43:52.000 Then he scoots his...

00:44:13.000 Well, there's some moves that are still legal in grappling like oil checks.

00:44:21.000 Those are illegal, right?

00:44:22.000 No, that's legal in NCAA wrestling.

00:44:24.000 Oh yeah, sure.

00:44:25.000 That's wrong. 1.00

00:44:26.000 You are literally shoving your fingers in a man's asshole to control him. 1.00

00:44:32.000 And they move because of that, because it fucking hurts. 1.00

00:44:34.000 It's horrible. 1.00

00:44:35.000 It's weird that you can do that, but you can't just grab his dick. 1.00

00:44:39.000 You want to really manipulate a guy? 1.00

00:44:40.000 Grab his dick. 1.00

00:44:41.000 You can move him around. 1.00

00:44:42.000 I mean, if you think about it, if a fish hook is illegal, why should people put your finger in a guy's butt? 0.93

00:44:46.000 I mean, that should be 800 more times illegal.

00:44:49.000 Don't you think there's a bunch of stuff that needs to be changed in the rules?

00:44:52.000 Like downward elbows. 1.00

00:44:53.000 That is just dumb as fuck. 1.00

00:44:56.000 Every time I'm at the show, I watch the ref try to explain where you can't elbow a guy. 1.00

00:45:01.000 And every ref is different.

00:45:02.000 And none of the corners are like, what are you talking about? 0.99

00:45:04.000 There's like a fucking mohawk? 0.99

00:45:06.000 Oh, no, no. 0.99

00:45:06.000 I mean, that's the area. 0.99

00:45:08.000 Oh, the 12 to 6. The 12 to 6 elbow was banned because, and Big John McCarthy told me this, that when they first brought the sport to the athletic commissions, they said, okay, you can do anything, but you can't do this downward elbow strike because I saw a guy on ESPN break bricks in a karate tournament.

00:45:24.000 So they thought that this was the most powerful strike known to man.

00:45:28.000 Meanwhile, you got Barboza wheel-kicking Terry Edim into another dimension.

00:45:33.000 And that's legal.

00:45:34.000 And also, like, the back of the head.

00:45:36.000 Like, I get the fact that you don't want people to get hit in the back of the head.

00:45:40.000 But here's the reality.

00:45:41.000 Almost every head kick is landing in the back of the head.

00:45:44.000 That's why guys go out, because the foot wraps around and hits them in the back of the head.

00:45:48.000 Yeah, it's a big part of it.

00:45:49.000 A big part of the impact is the instep or the shin literally hitting that spot where everyone tells you not to hit when you do ground and pound with little short punches.

00:46:00.000 I mean, it's kind of funny.

00:46:01.000 Like, someone's telling you you can't hit a hammer fist in the back of the head, you know, when your arm is half-tied up and you're trying to do that, and they're like, watch the back of the head!

00:46:07.000 But meanwhile, when you're standing, you just crank it with all that thigh meat and bone and 50 pounds of leg behind it, and BOOM! That's legal.

00:46:20.000 It's very strange.

00:46:21.000 The thing about the back of the head that a lot of fans don't know is that both players have a responsibility and that what usually happens, especially with those kicks, is the kick starts to come in and people shy away from it.

00:46:36.000 Because the kick's coming in and they expose the back of their head and then they get knocked out.

00:46:41.000 But both players, both fighters have a responsibility about that back of the head stuff.

00:46:46.000 And if a shot comes in that if you hadn't moved would hit you in the side of the head and then you move and the back of your head starts to get exposed, it's kind of on you.

00:46:54.000 Well, the same on the ground as well, right?

00:46:56.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:46:56.000 When a guy's pounding on you on the ground and you're moving your head away from the punches to your face and he hits the back of your head and then the referee says, watch the back of the head.

00:47:04.000 Well, you were already launching that punch before the guy turned.

00:47:08.000 It's kind of not really your fault.

00:47:11.000 Yeah, agreed 100%.

00:47:11.000 Is there a lot of science behind the back of the head thing?

00:47:14.000 I mean, isn't it bad to hit any part of the fucking head? 0.99

00:47:17.000 I don't think any part of the head is not good to hit. 1.00

00:47:19.000 It came from boxing.

00:47:21.000 It was called a rabbit punch in boxing, going back to before.

00:47:24.000 It's always been illegal in boxing.

00:47:26.000 I had a weird one two years ago at the Association of Boxing Commission's convention.

00:47:31.000 I spoke with a surgeon who was one of the...

00:47:35.000 Ringside Physicians group heads.

00:47:38.000 And I was like, I asked about this exact thing, this exact thing we're discussing.

00:47:42.000 I said, you know, how dangerous is the back of the head?

00:47:44.000 And he said, you know...

00:47:46.000 The one that I'm worried about is right here.

00:47:49.000 He said that...

00:47:50.000 The forehead.

00:47:51.000 Well, that we're the...

00:47:52.000 Apparently, I didn't know anything about it.

00:47:54.000 When we're little kids, the bones haven't quite grown together.

00:47:57.000 And as you get a little older, up until two years old or something, all the bones come together and they form in a little spot right here.

00:48:06.000 But he thinks that there's actually a weakness in being hit right here.

00:48:10.000 And in the 80s, I remember being at Master Tati's Muay Thai studio in Manchester, England, and we watched a videotape, and Tati said, that guy died on the tape.

00:48:19.000 And I was like, holy God, how did he die?

00:48:21.000 And it was a downward elbow right to here.

00:48:23.000 It sounds like a silly sort of a blood sport thing, but that jumping downward elbow right to this spot here is illegal in Muay Thai.

00:48:31.000 So it may well be that that's actually...

00:48:33.000 That's illegal?

00:48:34.000 Yeah, the single downward or the double downward where they jump up and come right down and hit right here is illegal.

00:48:42.000 So that's so strange that the forehead would be an illegal target in Muay Thai.

00:48:46.000 That seems so bizarre.

00:48:47.000 With an elbow.

00:48:48.000 With a downward elbow.

00:48:49.000 With a downward elbow.

00:48:49.000 But what about like a slashing elbow?

00:48:51.000 Totally fine.

00:48:52.000 Cut away.

00:48:53.000 But it seems like...

00:48:54.000 It's a downward one.

00:48:54.000 But even a hard one, like a strong...

00:48:58.000 Elbow, it's still, I mean, it's not that specific.

00:49:00.000 If you're hitting someone in the forehead, it's that dangerous.

00:49:03.000 It may be as simple as a few times, guys, well, a lot of times in Muay Thai, guys have been downward elbowing, you know, winging elbow across the head, and they didn't die, they just got a big cut, and then somebody actually passed away from the straight downward, and they were like, we're not doing that anymore.

00:49:16.000 But the problem is, in Muay Thai, you're not dealing with the most stringent athletic commissions that are doing MRIs and CAT scans and making sure the people have their EKGs in order.

00:49:25.000 There's none of that going on. 0.99

00:49:27.000 So who knows why the fuck that guy died. 0.99

00:49:29.000 And a lot of people take speed before they do Muay Thai. 0.99

00:49:33.000 What?

00:49:33.000 Yeah.

00:49:34.000 Yeah, that's pretty common.

00:49:35.000 Kids died of it.

00:49:36.000 In Thailand?

00:49:37.000 Yeah.

00:49:40.000 Several younger fighters died from it.

00:49:42.000 They would take speed.

00:49:44.000 I mean, I'd known some kickboxers back in the 80s that took speed for the same reason.

00:49:48.000 You kind of train harder, you get more aggressive, you're more angry, you feel pain less.

00:49:52.000 Do you remember Rip Fuel?

00:49:54.000 Yeah, I do. 0.99

00:49:55.000 I took that shit once and went to jiu-jitsu class. 1.00

00:49:57.000 Oh my god! 1.00

00:49:58.000 I almost fucking died! 0.99

00:50:00.000 My heart was pounding! 1.00

00:50:02.000 It was like thong, thong, thong, thong! 0.79

00:50:03.000 And I was like, I gotta sit down.

00:50:05.000 It wasn't a tired thing.

00:50:08.000 It was like my heart was racing.

00:50:09.000 I was like, I shouldn't be this tired.

00:50:11.000 My heart shouldn't be beating like this.

00:50:13.000 And then try that in a fight when you're adrenalized, and you're bleeding, and he's bleeding, and the referee's screaming, there's 2,000 people screaming, and imagine what your heart would have done.

00:50:21.000 Yeah, guys have died from it.

00:50:22.000 Well, people did die from ripped fuel.

00:50:25.000 It's one of the reasons why.

00:50:26.000 I mean, I remember taking it, and I remember I rolled with a couple guys, and then I had to sit down, because I was really concerned. 0.99

00:50:33.000 I was like, this is not like me being a pussy. 0.99

00:50:35.000 There's something going on here. 0.99

00:50:37.000 And then I heard about all these people dropping like flies, and then they pulled it off the shelf, and then they made it illegal. 0.98

00:50:41.000 But I would take it before I would lift, and I'd feel like fucking Superman. 0.91

00:50:47.000 But lifting, you know, you're doing sets of six or whatever the hell you're doing. 0.96

00:50:50.000 It's not taking you that long.

00:50:52.000 When you're doing a nine-minute roll, that's when the heart really starts getting taxed, and it just can't recover.

00:50:58.000 It can't calm down. 0.99

00:50:59.000 It's just you're confusing the signals with that goddamn speed. 0.99

00:51:02.000 A friend of mine had a little, I don't want to call it a seizure, but he had a little seizure while we were driving. 0.99

00:51:10.000 We were driving to Honolulu, and all of a sudden he just kind of pulls over and freezes and shakes, and it was from ripped fuel.

00:51:17.000 Ha ha ha!

00:51:18.000 It's kind of where, you know, if we'd been on the highway, I don't know what would have happened.

00:51:20.000 You would have died.

00:51:21.000 I would have died because of ripped fuel. 0.99

00:51:23.000 Well, you would have reached over in a fucking heroic manner and sat in his lap and drive you to safety. 0.98

00:51:28.000 Yeah, it's interesting how there's all these different, like, crazy athletic supplements that kind of go by the wayside. 0.97

00:51:36.000 They start out being like a Jack 3D was one that I think...

00:51:40.000 Have they pulled that?

00:51:41.000 Find out if they pulled that.

00:51:43.000 Because I know that somebody, like guys in the military apparently were taking it.

00:51:46.000 I have a buddy of mine who's in the military and he told me about it.

00:51:49.000 He texted me.

00:51:49.000 He goes, you ever tried this Jack 3D? Holy shit, I'm getting big on this.

00:51:52.000 And then like four months later, somebody died on it. 0.99

00:51:55.000 I was like, I sent him the article.

00:51:56.000 I'm like, man.

00:51:57.000 My understanding is that unscrupulous companies will come up with some new formula that's got...

00:52:03.000 Horny goat weed and oyster meat and who knows what all in it.

00:52:06.000 And they will actually add real anabolic steroids to it.

00:52:09.000 And they'll market it.

00:52:10.000 You'll get huge.

00:52:11.000 And then they'll take the steroids out, but the stuff still has a reputation.

00:52:15.000 So it's back?

00:52:17.000 You can still buy it.

00:52:18.000 Well, find out Jack 3D, maybe they changed the formula or something like that.

00:52:24.000 Just Google Jack 3D deaths.

00:52:27.000 I might have to apologize if I'm wrong.

00:52:30.000 Death.

00:52:31.000 Armies.

00:52:31.000 He was one of them.

00:52:32.000 Death after using Jack 3D points to gap and regulation.

00:52:35.000 But it could also just be a guy that just died.

00:52:38.000 See, that's the problem. 1.00

00:52:40.000 It's like, who the fuck knows what's killing these people? 0.99

00:52:44.000 You know, you don't know. 1.00

00:52:45.000 People die just jogging.

00:52:46.000 They do die.

00:52:47.000 They die with nothing in their system. 1.00

00:52:49.000 They die with just fucking salads in them. 1.00

00:52:51.000 You know? 0.99

00:52:52.000 And if the guy died, and he would have died anyway, and he just took Jack 3D and died, you'd blame the Jack 3D, but I don't know. 0.99

00:52:59.000 A lot of goddamn people taking that stuff. 0.95

00:53:00.000 Do you remember Redline? 1.00

00:53:02.000 It was like a drink.

00:53:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:53:03.000 Remember taking that?

00:53:04.000 Someone was like, here, take this.

00:53:05.000 It'll make you feel great for your workout. 1.00

00:53:07.000 I thought my chest was going to blow out of my fucking heart. 0.99

00:53:10.000 I've never done cocaine, but I feel like that's what cocaine feels like. 0.99

00:53:14.000 It was like...

00:53:14.000 I had to wreck off for like four hours, and I went home, and I was still jacked up.

00:53:18.000 I never took it again.

00:53:19.000 It was terrifying.

00:53:20.000 Well, that stuff was also like many doses in a little bottle.

00:53:25.000 Yeah, you're supposed to drink like a quarter of the bottle.

00:53:27.000 Yeah, but it's not a big bottle.

00:53:29.000 It's not like a can of Coke.

00:53:30.000 When you look at it, you're like, oh, this is a serving, but you don't read that. 1.00

00:53:33.000 Who the fuck reads labels like this shit in the back? 1.00

00:53:37.000 Like the little tiny... 1.00

00:53:38.000 First of all, I'm 47. My eyes suck. 0.99

00:53:41.000 Unless I put reading glasses on, I can't read that. 0.88

00:53:45.000 So these little things, I'd have to go, okay, how many...

00:53:48.000 Four servings?

00:53:50.000 This is three ounces of liquid.

00:53:51.000 How's this four servings?

00:53:52.000 What am I dividing this with?

00:53:54.000 Teaspoons?

00:53:54.000 It's like eating a pint of Ben& Jerry's.

00:53:55.000 They tell you that's four servings too, but who doesn't eat the whole goddamn pint of Ben& Jerry's? 0.99

00:53:59.000 Yeah, that's ridiculous. 0.95

00:54:01.000 But that's like how they get away with, like, you know, when you look at a bag of chips and it tells you how many calories there is per serving. 0.60

00:54:06.000 Yeah, only 100, because you need three chips.

00:54:10.000 But it's interesting how the supplement industry, when it comes to bodybuilding and when it comes to, you know, any athletic training, has really benefited from all these...

00:54:22.000 You know, these different, like, regulations get passed where new things become illegal.

00:54:26.000 So they come up with some new thing to kind of like fill in the blanks.

00:54:32.000 I'm one of those guys that always...

00:54:35.000 I've never taken very many supplements because I've never made hardly any money from doing it.

00:54:39.000 And I figured if I was making some money, I would definitely take every supplement on the market because it was worth it.

00:54:45.000 But I was never very good and never probably made more than $200 or something.

00:54:49.000 So for me, it just wasn't worth it.

00:54:52.000 You mean making money from fighting?

00:54:53.000 Yeah, I make money from fighting.

00:54:54.000 It just was...

00:54:55.000 Might as well just go in there and see how you do 100% naturally.

00:54:59.000 Let's talk about what's going on right now with MMA, with the testing, because I think it's pretty fascinating that this is a sport where, to be completely and totally honest, most likely a giant percentage of the population of the people involved in the sport were taking some sort of performance enhancing drugs.

00:55:18.000 It seems like to get through a training camp, and if you're not familiar with MMA, one of the crazy things about the sport is that it involves so many different disciplines.

00:55:27.000 You have to learn how to wrestle.

00:55:28.000 You have to learn submissions, meaning joint locks and chokes.

00:55:32.000 You have to learn how to kickbox.

00:55:34.000 You have to learn all these things, and you have to put them all together, and you also have to do a strength and conditioning program.

00:55:39.000 So unlike boxing, where you're learning how to box, and then you're probably doing a little road work on top of that, but that's mostly it.

00:55:47.000 It means some guys engage in some calisthenic programs.

00:55:50.000 Manny Pacquiao is like his famous ab routine.

00:55:52.000 You can see him do.

00:55:54.000 Kovalev actually does Pilates, which is kind of interesting.

00:55:57.000 But they don't have to grapple.

00:55:59.000 So for them, what's important is just honing those hand skills, recovering and coming back and honing those skills.

00:56:07.000 It's counterproductive for them to go through the same kind of workouts that the MMA guys do.

00:56:12.000 But for MMA guys, this fucking grind of getting up in the morning every day and doing this for six to eight weeks for a camp, it's almost impossible to do at the highest levels without some kind of help. 0.54

00:56:25.000 And now the UFC has incorporated this rigorous Incredibly intense testing where they're doing randoms five times a year on people. 0.95

00:56:37.000 So guys like Conor McGregor, Leota Machida or anybody, they're just going to get tested.

00:56:41.000 They're going to show up at your house. 0.93

00:56:42.000 And if you're in camp, this is what's really fucked up to me. 0.90

00:56:46.000 Say if you've got to work out at 10 o'clock in the morning and you need your sleep. 0.59

00:56:49.000 You went to bed at 10, you're looking to get 10, 11 hours sleep, and they wake you up.

00:56:54.000 They'll wake you up at 5, 6 o'clock in the morning, pee in this cup right now.

00:56:57.000 And you have to.

00:56:59.000 And they wake you up. 1.00

00:57:00.000 They fuck with your sleep. 0.99

00:57:02.000 And yeah, they're only going to do it that one day, but you might go to the gym that one day and be tired because of that, and that might be the time you get injured. 0.99

00:57:09.000 It's totally possible.

00:57:10.000 It's totally unprofessional.

00:57:12.000 It doesn't make any sense to me that they're allowed to just wake you up.

00:57:15.000 They should have to do it in an off time, in a time where you absolutely are not going to be getting your rest.

00:57:22.000 You should have parameters.

00:57:24.000 You should say, listen, I go to bed at 11 p.m.

00:57:26.000 every night.

00:57:26.000 I wake up at 9.30 a.m.

00:57:29.000 In those times, leave me the fuck alone. 0.99

00:57:31.000 Because I've got to recover, goddammit. 0.99

00:57:34.000 But they don't do it that way. 1.00

00:57:35.000 They just come anytime they want, and you have to pull out your dick and pee in a cup, and that's it. 1.00

00:57:40.000 They watch you, too. 1.00

00:57:41.000 A guy has to watch your dick, yeah, for sure. 1.00

00:57:43.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:57:43.000 Because you could have a rubber dick. 1.00

00:57:46.000 Kevin Randleman got busted with a whizzinator. 1.00

00:57:49.000 Well, Kevin Randleman got busted with non-human urine.

00:57:52.000 Yeah.

00:57:53.000 Well, from the whizzinator horse urine or something. 1.00

00:57:55.000 But guys will do everything to cheat if you're not looking at their dick. 0.99

00:57:58.000 Like, you can rub, like... 0.99

00:57:59.000 Like, a paste on your thumb and, like, let your stream run through it.

00:58:02.000 Uh-huh.

00:58:03.000 Wizenators, or... 0.96

00:58:05.000 And the paste... 1.00

00:58:05.000 The guy's gonna stare at your dick. 1.00

00:58:06.000 He's gonna look at it, and you're like, the piece coming out of that dick. 1.00

00:58:09.000 And the paste would somehow or another diffuse it in. 0.99

00:58:11.000 Yeah, so it would, like, diffuse...

00:58:13.000 You could put it under your fingernails.

00:58:13.000 Like, your stream would go through your finger, and the paste, whatever the ingredients were, would diffuse the sample or taint it, or...

00:58:19.000 I think it's a good thing to find out what everyone's taking.

00:58:23.000 I think it's also a good thing to try to figure out what is possible for the human body.

00:58:28.000 Like, what kind of condition can you actually get in without help?

00:58:32.000 I mean, and if we are really dealing with a sport where 70%, let's say 70, Vitor says it's like 90. Maybe he's right.

00:58:40.000 I would say, have used at some point, it's 90. Using right now, I have no idea, but at some point in their career we're using, yeah, it's 90. Do you think that's the case at other sports?

00:58:51.000 I have no idea.

00:58:53.000 I know a fair amount about mixed martial arts, but I wouldn't know which end of a tennis racket to hold.

00:58:57.000 I don't know.

00:58:58.000 Although Chris and I spent the good party yesterday with two senior guys from USADA, and for hours they talked about everything that they've gone through ever since.

00:59:09.000 And that's the U.S. anti-doping...

00:59:11.000 Yeah, that's the group that the UFC has contracted with to do all the testing.

00:59:16.000 And when we look at it, it does seem completely onerous, but from their point of view, they've been in a decades-long battle against people, particularly in a lot of sports, including maybe most notably cycling, where...

00:59:31.000 They told us a story yesterday about one of their testers, and they found this out later, years, years later in deposition.

00:59:37.000 One of their testers shows up at the hotel.

00:59:39.000 Somebody's waiting in the lobby, and cell phone's up.

00:59:41.000 The guy is on his way up right now.

00:59:43.000 The athlete sprints to the doctor's room, and the doctor grabbed an IV bag and squeezed it in front of him.

00:59:50.000 Forced it into him and then put another one in and squeezed it and forced it and there was enough extra liquid in his body from that so his levels were a little kind of weird but they didn't go over any threshold and that's the kind of shenanigans that they've been fighting against and I think that's the origin of that stuff like we're going to show up at 3 a.m.

01:00:06.000 and we don't really care about you.

01:00:08.000 In MMA it does seem completely unnecessary.

01:00:11.000 But from their point of view, with this decades of trying to fight dirty cyclists and things, they feel like that's the corner that they're forced into.

01:00:20.000 Well, cycling is the dirty sport.

01:00:23.000 It's the dirtiest, I think, right?

01:00:24.000 It has to be.

01:00:25.000 It's one of the dirtiest.

01:00:26.000 That's why I saw something the other day, and some guy was winning the Tour de France, and I just started laughing.

01:00:30.000 I'm like, what's he doing?

01:00:31.000 What's he doing?

01:00:31.000 What are you doing?

01:00:32.000 What are you doing, dude?

01:00:33.000 Why are you lying?

01:00:34.000 Who cares? 1.00

01:00:34.000 They're riding the fucking bike. 1.00

01:00:35.000 They ain't trying to hurt anybody. 1.00

01:00:36.000 Let them all do steroids and just see who wins. 1.00

01:00:39.000 You can't do that because then the idea is that kids coming up are forced to take performance enhancing drugs because otherwise there's no way to win that sport.

01:00:47.000 It's a fake sport.

01:00:49.000 It's a fake sport in that the results that you're seeing are not normal results.

01:00:53.000 They're superhuman results and they only come about because you take a guy and you alter his chemistry.

01:00:58.000 You alter his chemistry to the point where he's not a human anymore. 0.86

01:01:01.000 Like if you look at a bodybuilder, perfect example, and you look at some fucking giant Dorian Yates type character just Veins all over his eyeballs, and his fucking face is ripped, and he weighs 300 pounds, and he's 5'2". 0.99

01:01:16.000 It doesn't make any goddamn sense. 0.99

01:01:18.000 Like, what is that? 0.99

01:01:19.000 It's not a human.

01:01:20.000 No.

01:01:20.000 It's not a human, because the levels that they have in their body are not human levels.

01:01:24.000 This is a new thing.

01:01:25.000 You've created a new thing with chemistry.

01:01:27.000 Yeah, guys, you know, those bodybuilders will put on 70 pounds of muscle.

01:01:31.000 And, like, as anybody knows who trains, putting on 7 pounds of muscle is...

01:01:36.000 It takes years.

01:01:37.000 It's just awful. 0.99

01:01:38.000 You could put on ten pounds of muscle in six months if you are fucking really diligent. 0.98

01:01:43.000 And you've got to push through really hard, sore days. 0.97

01:01:47.000 You've got to do a lot of deadlifting.

01:01:49.000 You've got to do a lot of squats. 1.00

01:01:51.000 You've got to eat a lot of fucking meat. 0.99

01:01:52.000 And you've got to really work at it. 1.00

01:01:55.000 But you can do it.

01:01:56.000 Most people don't work out that hard.

01:01:57.000 But if you get a guy on the juice, you can put on...

01:01:59.000 I was on this stuff called Mag10.

01:02:02.000 I used to be able to buy it at GNC. Do you remember this?

01:02:04.000 No.

01:02:05.000 It's like these pills they used to sell at GNC. They were like clear pills.

01:02:08.000 You take like 10 of them.

01:02:09.000 It's like some crazy number.

01:02:10.000 I put on 10 pounds of muscle in like seven weeks.

01:02:14.000 Jesus.

01:02:14.000 I'm not even kidding.

01:02:15.000 It was legal. 1.00

01:02:16.000 It was the strongest shit I've ever taken. 1.00

01:02:18.000 And when I got off of it, my dick died like I got hit by a sniper. 1.00

01:02:23.000 My dick was useless. 1.00

01:02:25.000 My dick was useless for like a month. 1.00

01:02:28.000 It just wouldn't work. 1.00

01:02:29.000 And I was like, wow, that's a steroid.

01:02:31.000 That's a real steroid.

01:02:32.000 And it was one of those things you could just buy for a little bit.

01:02:35.000 It was like that little window.

01:02:36.000 You could buy it and then it went away.

01:02:38.000 But I'm telling you, I never got bigger in my life off of anything other than this stuff.

01:02:41.000 And I felt so strong.

01:02:43.000 I would go to the gym, and one day I'd be able to get 10 reps, and then my next workout four days later, it was 12 reps.

01:02:50.000 It didn't make any sense.

01:02:51.000 I'm getting an extra two reps in in three or four days.

01:02:53.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:02:55.000 But you would just recover.

01:02:56.000 And then I would think about, what is it like to take Anadrol 50, or some of the really crazy ones that they say, turn you into a wild silverback gorilla.

01:03:05.000 And then stack them.

01:03:06.000 Yeah, those guys that would take him like I remember I knew this dude was a football player who told me that they would take anadrol 50 and they would take all this different stuff and Oh, no, no, this is a different guy.

01:03:16.000 He's a bodybuilder He told me he became a jiu-jitsu guy became a black belt under Jean-Jacques Machado great guy and He told me that when he was bodybuilding and he took the anadrol 50 stuff.

01:03:26.000 He said literally he would see red and And then wake up grabbing someone about to kill them. 0.98

01:03:34.000 Like some guy said something to him in traffic, and before he knew it, he was out of the car, reaching into the guy's car, ready to kill him, and he was like, what the fuck am I doing? 0.98

01:03:43.000 I don't want to go to jail. 0.99

01:03:44.000 I don't want to kill anybody.

01:03:46.000 But it was this overwhelming rage for almost nothing. 0.98

01:03:52.000 It just turns you into like an animal like it sets you back like you're strong as a gorilla and you you lose that like human part of you fucking well you don't think you're not really a person you're some you're like you you're mostly person but you got some other element in you and the anadrol 50 stuff is apparently I don't know if still is but that was like the stuff that people would talk about like if you fuck with that like that is that that's the rager that's the rager and that's the stuff that puts 30 40 pounds of just stacked Shredded beef on you. 0.97

01:04:22.000 Just...

01:04:22.000 All those dudes that would, you know, do squats and drop the bar and walk away.

01:04:29.000 Barely human.

01:04:31.000 Barely human.

01:04:31.000 A guy at my gym in the...

01:04:33.000 This is going back probably early 80s doing karate.

01:04:36.000 Nice guy from a couple towns over.

01:04:38.000 Moved to LA. Started bodybuilding.

01:04:41.000 Got a girlfriend.

01:04:43.000 Got pissed off at her. 0.91

01:04:44.000 Got a bat. 0.99

01:04:45.000 Broke her window and she shot him dead.

01:04:47.000 Yeah.

01:05:02.000 Well, there was a dude that I knew that died.

01:05:04.000 His name was Curtis, and he was Vitor's original strength and conditioning trainer.

01:05:08.000 Like way back in 97, when Vitor was 19 years old.

01:05:12.000 Remember when Vitor first fought in the UFC? Vitor weighed about 200 plus pounds, like 203 maybe maximum.

01:05:20.000 He was real lean, but muscular as hell and fast as lightning.

01:05:24.000 When Vitor first stormed onto the scene, we'd never seen hand speed like that.

01:05:28.000 With good wrestling and jiu-jitsu too.

01:05:30.000 I mean, he just...

01:05:31.000 Trey Tellingman had no idea what was coming.

01:05:33.000 He came out guns blazing.

01:05:35.000 That guy that was training him, we would...

01:05:37.000 Like Eddie Bravo and I, we used to call him garden hoses.

01:05:39.000 Because the guy had veins that were like garden hoses.

01:05:42.000 They didn't make any sense.

01:05:43.000 He had these arms that would like...

01:05:45.000 I'm not bullshitting.

01:05:46.000 Five of my arms, like maybe five of my arms rolled up in a cord.

01:05:50.000 I mean, they were enormous.

01:05:51.000 But he had veins throughout his arms that were like hoses. 1.00

01:05:55.000 These huge fucking veins. 0.99

01:05:57.000 And he was purple. 1.00

01:05:58.000 He would lift weights.

01:05:59.000 He would do like tricep extensions.

01:06:01.000 He would be purple. 0.99

01:06:04.000 Just fucking the whole thing is about to blow. 0.99

01:06:07.000 And one day it did. 1.00

01:06:08.000 One day it just blew.

01:06:09.000 Pop! 0.87

01:06:10.000 Boom! 0.99

01:06:10.000 The whole thing just... 0.99

01:06:11.000 Just left them bleeding internally, and the whole thing exploded.

01:06:16.000 Heart or brain? 1.00

01:06:17.000 The whole fucking package. 1.00

01:06:20.000 Catastrophic failure of everything. 1.00

01:06:22.000 And he was in his 30s.

01:06:24.000 He was a young guy, you know?

01:06:26.000 And that was when Vitor got up to like 240 when he fought Randy Couture.

01:06:31.000 Remember that?

01:06:31.000 I mean, he got just like a lion.

01:06:34.000 He didn't even look like a person anymore.

01:06:35.000 His head looked like it was attached at the top with a neck.

01:06:40.000 The top of his head was where his neck started and just came down and he just had no gas.

01:06:45.000 His gas tank was for about maybe 30 or 40 seconds of flurrying and then it would like quickly drop off.

01:06:52.000 Was that the fight that ended in like a minute with a cut on the eye?

01:06:55.000 No.

01:06:55.000 That was for the light heavyweight title and that was in the 2000s.

01:07:00.000 This was way before that.

01:07:01.000 I want to say 97 or 98 and I was there for that fight.

01:07:05.000 And Vitor was like 240 pounds.

01:07:08.000 That was when everybody thought he was going to kill Randy.

01:07:11.000 And Randy just beat him down, took him down, smashed him, and changed his life. 0.97

01:07:16.000 Like, Vitor before then was this unstoppable force who had destroyed Tank Abbott, destroyed Tellegman and Scott Ferrozo, and everybody was like, Vitor is the fucking... 0.91

01:07:24.000 Like, people were talking about Vitor versus Hickson. 0.88

01:07:26.000 There was all this, like, crazy talk back then, you know?

01:07:30.000 And then Vitor had like that downward spiral that he went on for a little bit where his sister got kidnapped and all that stuff happened after that.

01:07:37.000 They never found her, right?

01:07:38.000 She died.

01:07:38.000 She was killed.

01:07:40.000 Horrible, horrible story.

01:07:43.000 But the point being that like performance enhancing drugs, it's not all fun games. 1.00

01:07:50.000 Scary shit. 1.00

01:07:51.000 Scary shit. 1.00

01:07:52.000 And when you force your body to do something totally unnatural like that, The rapid change of putting on 30, 40 pounds in literally 6 to 8 weeks, that is not good for you. 1.00

01:08:04.000 That is not good for you at all.

01:08:06.000 So we've got to stop that, right?

01:08:08.000 Agreed.

01:08:09.000 But the dialogue is like, what should be legal?

01:08:13.000 Should it be legal to take creatine?

01:08:14.000 Because that helps.

01:08:15.000 Should it be legal to take amino acids?

01:08:17.000 Because they help.

01:08:18.000 Should you be allowed to take multivitamins?

01:08:20.000 Should you have to get all your vitamins from food?

01:08:23.000 Where does it end?

01:08:24.000 One of the ones in that regard that I've been puzzling about for several years now is Nick Diaz.

01:08:31.000 He used to cut a lot over the eyes.

01:08:33.000 And there's a surgeon in Vegas that will cut your eyes open and grind down your eye orbits so they become less sharp.

01:08:42.000 I don't know.

01:08:43.000 Is that cheating?

01:08:43.000 I mean, he's doing surgery to change his body so he can be a more efficient fighter.

01:08:49.000 Granted, it's kind of defensive.

01:08:51.000 He's just trying not to get cut, but I don't know.

01:08:55.000 I've been thinking about it for years, and I don't know what the answer is.

01:08:58.000 See, that one I don't have any problem with at all, because he was born with just a weird eyebrow.

01:09:03.000 And also, on top of that, he had so much scar tissue from all of his fights.

01:09:07.000 So it wasn't just a matter of the bone was cutting his it was also a matter of like he had to get that scar tissue removed because it would just burst you know scar tissue if you don't know when you have scar tissue around your eye when something heals up it's measurably weaker than it was before that but now they have new methods of dealing with that like Vanderlei like before Vanderlei got his surgery his eyes he would just get hit once and it would swell up and it would like come down and almost close his eye and then would cut open and start bleeding And if you looked at him back then,

01:09:37.000 before he had his surgery, his eyes were just a mass of scar tissue, like, all around his eyebrows.

01:09:43.000 So it makes everything thicker, because you've got all these cuts, they heal, and there's a knot, and another one, it heals, and there's a knot.

01:09:49.000 And all this time that's happening, your eyelids are relaxing also from getting hit a lot, because the muscles get pulverized, and it starts drooping down over your eye.

01:09:58.000 So some guys get surgery to sort of raise their eyelids back up and put them in place so they can see better. 0.92

01:10:04.000 Because when you're fighting for a long period of time, the palooka look, like you always see it in cartoons, they get that thing, yeah, I thought you would, boy, so I'll go knock his brains in.

01:10:15.000 That thing where they would get where the eyebrows would drop down, that impedes your vision.

01:10:20.000 Absolutely.

01:10:21.000 A lot of guys also don't realize that the inside of your body takes a lot longer to heal than the outside.

01:10:26.000 So guys will get cut in the gym, and in like three days it looks like it's healed, but it's really still damaged inside.

01:10:32.000 So they're like, oh, it's not an open wound.

01:10:34.000 I can go back to sparring, and they get hit again, and it cuts open again.

01:10:37.000 It takes a long time for that stuff to heal internally.

01:10:40.000 And it becomes chronic.

01:10:41.000 Yeah.

01:10:42.000 One thing I wanted to throw in, because there's a huge audience here, and I know as a fact a lot of them are fighters, is when you do get cut, don't let like the EMT or somebody just throw three quick stitches in there.

01:10:54.000 Get that cut done by a plastic surgeon.

01:10:57.000 It makes a huge difference.

01:10:58.000 That scar tissue comes from people letting, I've actually seen EMTs just, I know how to do that, and they'll put three stitches in and Not very nicely.

01:11:07.000 So, guys, when you get a really bad cut in a fight, go find a plastic surgeon.

01:11:11.000 It's worth it.

01:11:12.000 Well, Kevin Ross, when he fought in Lion Fight, he was actually putting pictures on his Instagram. 0.86

01:11:16.000 What a shitty job the doctor had done.

01:11:18.000 They stapled him. 0.99

01:11:19.000 The staple went in the cut.

01:11:22.000 Like, instead of skin, skin, the staple... 1.00

01:11:24.000 This guy was fucking blind. 0.98

01:11:26.000 Some old doctor or something stapled literally inside the cut instead of on the skin itself around the cut to pull the cut together. 1.00

01:11:34.000 This fucking idiot stapled the cut. 1.00

01:11:36.000 And now a lot of times they just try to use glue. 1.00

01:11:38.000 I... Cut myself in the winter from a fucking icicle because I live in New England. 1.00

01:11:43.000 An icicle cut you? 1.00

01:11:44.000 Yeah, my fucking dad wanted me to shovel his roof off because they get water dams that damage. 1.00

01:11:49.000 So we're just pushing the ladder up and he bangs an icicle and I just look up and fucking smashes me in the head. 0.99

01:11:55.000 I turn around and scream and then I look at him and he's like, you're fucking bleeding. 0.99

01:11:58.000 I'm like, what do you mean? 0.99

01:11:59.000 I grab my head, fucking blood pouring down my face everywhere. 1.00

01:12:02.000 I'm like, holy shit. 1.00

01:12:04.000 So I go to the bathroom, I put my hand on it, go to the bathroom, and there's a good cut. 0.99

01:12:08.000 I see a lot of cuts in the gym, so I'm like, that fucking needs stitches. 0.98

01:12:11.000 I'm like, Dad, I gotta go. 0.99

01:12:13.000 I need stitches.

01:12:13.000 He's like, no, put a bandit on it, finish my roof, and then you can go to the ER. So I put a bandit on it.

01:12:19.000 I climb up the roof, shovel the roof, go to the ER, and they want to put glue in it.

01:12:24.000 And I'm like, I've seen a lot of stitches.

01:12:26.000 Can you put stitches in my head?

01:12:27.000 He's like, I think we can get away with just glue.

01:12:30.000 Get away?

01:12:30.000 Well, I box.

01:12:31.000 I want it to be really well-closed.

01:12:33.000 He's like, no, I'm just going to put glue in it.

01:12:35.000 Can you please stitch it?

01:12:37.000 He's like, who's the doctor here?

01:12:38.000 And he just put glue in my head.

01:12:40.000 And it's still a big scar there, and it's just not as...

01:12:43.000 I don't think it's as healed as it would have been if he just stitched it.

01:12:44.000 What's his name? 1.00

01:12:45.000 What's his name, this fuck? 1.00

01:12:47.000 I don't know. 1.00

01:12:48.000 Yeah, well, he's an arrogant asshole. 1.00

01:12:49.000 It was a Brockton hospital, so... 1.00

01:12:51.000 Oh, well, Brockton blockbuster.

01:12:54.000 Rocky Marciano, Marvin Hagler.

01:12:55.000 Part of the story that Chris isn't telling you is that like any good person from Lausanne MMA, the minute he got a head cut and he was bleeding all over the place, he did a selfie.

01:13:03.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:04.000 When you walk into Lausanne MMA, they have this little wall of fame.

01:13:07.000 Anybody gets cut, they take a picture.

01:13:08.000 If I elbow a guy and he gets cut, I'll be like, don't wipe it off.

01:13:11.000 Don't touch it yet.

01:13:12.000 We've got to take a picture first.

01:13:13.000 And then we address the wound and stuff.

01:13:15.000 Why?

01:13:16.000 I don't know.

01:13:17.000 It's kind of like our wall of fame almost.

01:13:18.000 You put a Polaroid up.

01:13:20.000 You've got to move out of Massachusetts.

01:13:21.000 Exactly.

01:13:22.000 South Shore.

01:13:23.000 You've got to get out.

01:13:23.000 There are too many animals there.

01:13:25.000 It's just a hostile environment.

01:13:27.000 Joe even said it in an interview this week for his fight.

01:13:29.000 He goes, we're a bunch of pricks at my gym.

01:13:31.000 And it says we're all from the Northeast.

01:13:33.000 They're all pricks.

01:13:33.000 Well, I went to your gym a long time ago.

01:13:35.000 Eddie did a seminar there.

01:13:36.000 Yeah, our old gym.

01:13:36.000 Yeah, I remember that.

01:13:37.000 Way back in the day.

01:13:38.000 We actually, we still have the toenail clippers.

01:13:41.000 We use them.

01:13:41.000 We call them the Joe Rogan toenail clippers.

01:13:44.000 I don't think anyone uses anymore because they're dull as shit now, but they're still sitting in the desk somewhere. 0.98

01:13:49.000 That's hilarious. 0.99

01:13:50.000 We were talking about this before. 1.00

01:13:52.000 Anybody who doesn't clip their fingernails and toenails before they grapple, that fucking sucks. 1.00

01:13:58.000 They scratch the shit out of you. 1.00

01:13:59.000 You're talking about Nick the Tooth scratching your neck up. 0.99

01:14:02.000 Yeah, I think they still have a We're listening to Nick the Tooth. 1.00

01:14:04.000 Cut your fucking nails, dude. 1.00

01:14:05.000 I carry a toenail clipper everywhere. 1.00

01:14:07.000 If I have a bag, I'm going to work out.

01:14:09.000 Plus, also to make a fist, even to push the bag.

01:14:12.000 Yeah, it can hit into your palm. 1.00

01:14:13.000 It sucks. 0.96

01:14:14.000 Yeah, you don't want your fingernails digging into the meat of your hand. 1.00

01:14:18.000 People who don't cut their fingernails and don't take showers before they roll are just bad, evil people.

01:14:24.000 Some people, when they fight, they do it on purpose.

01:14:26.000 You can tell. 1.00

01:14:27.000 They fucking stink. 1.00

01:14:28.000 Some people stink when I interview them. 1.00

01:14:30.000 I'm like, what?

01:14:32.000 You know they're doing it on purpose.

01:14:34.000 Linlin told me he does it on purpose.

01:14:36.000 No showers for like five days and don't brush your teeth and just get your armpit in the guy and breathe on him. 0.98

01:14:41.000 They call Tom Lala filthy because he's filthy. 0.90

01:14:44.000 It's not like a cute nickname. 1.00

01:14:46.000 He's fucking filthy all the time. 1.00

01:14:48.000 Just like eat food off the ground and not shower and just be gross and that guy sweats out like a motherfucker so like he's always nasty. 1.00

01:14:56.000 What do you think about his knockout? 1.00

01:14:57.000 That was crazy.

01:14:58.000 It was awesome.

01:14:58.000 I was in the corner for that fight and I'm like watching it from the corner.

01:15:01.000 I'm like shit. 0.99

01:15:01.000 He's getting beat up pretty bad. 0.99

01:15:03.000 That motherfucker is big. 1.00

01:15:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:15:04.000 Because he fought 205-er and then I was way bigger and I'm just sitting there like oh this is not going our way and uh the round ends we go in there and John Wood, the syndicate guy, is talking to him. 0.99

01:15:15.000 He's like, you know, you're doing all right.

01:15:17.000 You're doing all right.

01:15:17.000 Just stay in it.

01:15:18.000 And then the second round starts, and he hits him with a hook from hell. 0.80

01:15:23.000 The best hook you could ever hit a guy with.

01:15:24.000 Well, he threw a few and missed before that.

01:15:26.000 The whole first round, he threw like 10. But no, that round, right before he knocked him out, it wasn't like Volante shouldn't have seen it coming.

01:15:33.000 He was throwing a lot of hooks, but Volante was convinced he was going to steamroll.

01:15:37.000 He was running forward hard, and he ran right into it.

01:15:40.000 Ran into it.

01:15:41.000 I mean, it was the perfect right hook.

01:15:42.000 It was picture-perfect, on the button. 0.99

01:15:44.000 And that kid's strong, and he hits fucking hard. 0.99

01:15:47.000 Oh, yeah, Blanti's a big boy. 0.99

01:15:48.000 He's known as a wrestler, but no, Tom, too.

01:15:50.000 Oh, Tom, yeah.

01:15:51.000 He's physically one of the strongest guys I've ever been on the mat with.

01:15:54.000 Well, wrestlers are always strong.

01:15:55.000 You grow up wrestling, you grow up throwing bodies around and manipulating bodies.

01:15:59.000 You develop a strength that's very unusual.

01:16:01.000 Like Ben Askren.

01:16:02.000 You look at that guy, he doesn't look strong.

01:16:04.000 He looks like a regular guy. 0.99

01:16:05.000 But you talk to people who roll with him, they're like, Jesus fucking Christ, is he strong. 0.99

01:16:09.000 Yeah, I read an interview with Pettis, and Pettis said he just tortures him on the mat. 0.97

01:16:13.000 Yeah, it's a different kind of strength.

01:16:14.000 He has his own way with him.

01:16:15.000 Different kind of strength.

01:16:16.000 Yeah, they've been throwing bodies around since they were four years old.

01:16:19.000 And wrestling's grueling.

01:16:21.000 I've gone to wrestling practices at just like a D3 college program, and they're grueling practices.

01:16:27.000 For an hour and a half, shoot across the mat for 20 minutes and drill. 0.76

01:16:31.000 They just build functional muscle for years in that sport.

01:16:36.000 I found a guy at Iowa who did his PhD on the changes in wrestling rules over maybe a 50-year period or something.

01:16:44.000 I read his thesis and it was interesting.

01:16:48.000 And you can see, they call them concession holds, not submissions, but it's the exact same thing.

01:16:52.000 You could see year by year, decade by decade, they took out every dangerous hold from wrestling.

01:16:59.000 But curiously, or interestingly, by taking out every dangerous hold, it actually made wrestling better.

01:17:06.000 Because it's the one part of combat sports, you can do as hard as you want, and nothing gets broken.

01:17:12.000 You can't do Muay Thai, you can't box 100% all the time.

01:17:15.000 You sure can't put submissions and roll, you can't do Jiu-Jitsu on people 100%.

01:17:19.000 But by virtue of having taken all the concession holds out of wrestling, you can wrestle a guy just as Hard as you want and nobody has to go to the hospital and I think that's what makes wrestling so phenomenal.

01:17:32.000 Some of these guys start when they're eight years old and they go as hard as they humanly can for 20 years and they're monsters.

01:17:40.000 It's also the mental toughness that they developed.

01:17:42.000 There's a mental toughness that wrestlers possess because also they're usually dehydrated, they're cutting weight, they're irritated, almost always overtrained, almost always.

01:17:51.000 So you develop this ability to push through discomfort that a lot of people just don't have.

01:17:55.000 You know, jiu-jitsu, you can go full blast, but you have to tap.

01:17:59.000 And if guys don't tap, that's when problems occur.

01:18:02.000 But you can certainly go full blast up until the moment when you have to concede.

01:18:06.000 But, you know, a lot of people don't like to concede, and that's where the problem comes in. 0.99

01:18:10.000 This is one of the dumbest things. 0.98

01:18:12.000 People don't mind. 0.99

01:18:13.000 If someone scores a point on them in basketball, it seems normal.

01:18:16.000 But if somebody taps you, it's like the end of your life.

01:18:19.000 Because you're in a fight you would have lost.

01:18:22.000 But guess what? 0.99

01:18:22.000 That's the only fucking way you learn. 0.99

01:18:24.000 You have to put yourself in positions where you're going to tap, and you've got to deal with that tap. 0.99

01:18:30.000 And if you don't do it, you're never going to get good at it.

01:18:33.000 And we've all known so many guys that come from kickboxing that, for whatever reason, they got really good at one sport, and they never could get good at jiu-jitsu because they didn't want to roll with people who could tap them.

01:18:46.000 Yeah, I was like that.

01:18:48.000 You know, I opened up an MMA gym way before I knew one single thing about the sport in 93, just a couple months after UFC won.

01:18:57.000 And for years and years and years, I just didn't want to tap.

01:18:59.000 If some new guy came in, if he was a blue belt, that's when blue belts were kind of a big deal, I would lose my mind at the fear that the guy might tap me. 0.97

01:19:06.000 And then I read an interview with Frank Shamrock, and he goes, oh, I tap all the time.

01:19:11.000 I was like, oh.

01:19:12.000 Oh, French Jamrock tap.

01:19:13.000 Oh, it's okay for me to tap.

01:19:15.000 And that helped me a lot.

01:19:17.000 You ever seen Marcelo Garcia and Damien Maier roll?

01:19:20.000 No.

01:19:20.000 It's really interesting.

01:19:21.000 Really interesting.

01:19:22.000 Because they're tapping left and right.

01:19:23.000 Right, sure.

01:19:24.000 They tap each other left and right.

01:19:25.000 And they're not even going full clip.

01:19:26.000 They're sort of flowing.

01:19:28.000 They're both so good.

01:19:29.000 They're both such world champions.

01:19:31.000 They don't have any ego on the line there.

01:19:34.000 They're just trying to train hard and get their work in.

01:19:37.000 Have you guys seen the clip of Hayen and Henzo rolling?

01:19:39.000 Yeah.

01:19:39.000 It's my favorite rolling clip of all time on YouTube.

01:19:42.000 It's in their brothers, so there's got to be that sibling rivalry.

01:19:46.000 And in the end, Henzo catches him.

01:19:48.000 I was actually talking to Big John last night about the same thing.

01:19:52.000 And he's like, because he has a gym up in Valencia, which is pretty close to here.

01:19:55.000 And he's like, when a guy comes into my gym for the first time, they're a little, like, starstruck, but they're close, they want to train jiu-jitsu, and he rolls with them, and he shakes hands like they're going to start, and he taps them three times.

01:20:05.000 He's like, cool, you tap Big John, now let's have some fun.

01:20:07.000 So they kind of get over that, like...

01:20:08.000 Oh, he lets them tap him?

01:20:10.000 Yeah, he just taps them on the shoulder, like taps out and quits before they even start.

01:20:13.000 So they have that in their head, alright, I just tapped Big John, cool, now let's roll.

01:20:16.000 That doesn't even make sense.

01:20:17.000 That's not real.

01:20:17.000 Just to, like, kind of, like, break the pressure, I guess.

01:20:19.000 That's stupid. 1.00

01:20:21.000 I might be stupid, but it's just last night. 1.00

01:20:24.000 You tapped Big John. 0.99

01:20:25.000 Oh, Big John.

01:20:26.000 How dare you?

01:20:27.000 I think after that, though, guys can't go after him.

01:20:30.000 You know, you get some guys, a football player or something, and he's good, and he's strong as hell.

01:20:35.000 He's a giant man.

01:20:37.000 He is a big man.

01:20:38.000 He's not medium, John.

01:20:38.000 He's very good.

01:20:39.000 He's not like this guy that, like...

01:20:41.000 You say, oh, he trains jiu-jitsu.

01:20:42.000 He trains.

01:20:43.000 Like, he's really good.

01:20:44.000 Were you guys in Vegas for UFC 189?

01:20:47.000 I wasn't.

01:20:47.000 My brother was actually in there.

01:20:49.000 I saw the photos you guys put on the UG. Put some good photos.

01:20:53.000 We did?

01:20:54.000 Yeah, didn't.

01:20:54.000 Where are you guys getting your photos from?

01:20:56.000 Like, when you have those photos on the front page where it says, like, MMA news.

01:20:59.000 I'll click on it right now.

01:21:00.000 There's a bunch of photos.

01:21:01.000 Where are you getting those?

01:21:02.000 Dolce Exclusive on IV Band.

01:21:04.000 Where are you getting that photo?

01:21:05.000 That's probably a screenshot from a video.

01:21:07.000 Yeah, a screenshot from a video or Mike Dolce's Facebook.

01:21:10.000 Oh, we had a guy on the ground with a journalist out there for that.

01:21:14.000 Oh, okay.

01:21:15.000 We got some good interviews and stuff, but we were actually there, yeah.

01:21:20.000 He goes every now and then.

01:21:21.000 He's an Irish guy.

01:21:22.000 He's like, hey, I want to do some videos for you guys and go to the shows.

01:21:26.000 And we're like, we really can't afford it.

01:21:27.000 It's fucking expensive to send a guy out and put him up.

01:21:29.000 He's like, no, I just want to go. 0.97

01:21:30.000 I'll just do it on my own dime.

01:21:32.000 Like, cool.

01:21:34.000 Go out there.

01:21:34.000 Have fun.

01:21:35.000 We get credentialed, so that's all he wants from us, really.

01:21:38.000 UFC 189 was probably one of the craziest events I've ever been to ever.

01:21:42.000 I believe it.

01:21:45.000 UFC 189, I wasn't there live.

01:21:47.000 I saw it on a big flat screen, but it was one of those few times that I'm like, ah!

01:21:52.000 It was the Rory-Robbie fight, where I looked at the screen at one point, and Rory looked like he didn't have a nose.

01:22:00.000 Like, I'm looking on the high-def screen, and there was no nose there.

01:22:04.000 And it was one of the very few times I've just been like, ah, I'm not sure I want to watch this.

01:22:09.000 It was just too intense.

01:22:13.000 That was one of the most intense title fights ever.

01:22:15.000 Roy McDonald I mean, he got so close to winning that title.

01:22:20.000 He had Robbie Lawler almost knocked out.

01:22:22.000 He head kicked him, dinged him.

01:22:23.000 Robbie was wobbling.

01:22:24.000 And then Robbie came back to stop him in the next round.

01:22:27.000 And his nose exploded.

01:22:29.000 And he literally went down in pain.

01:22:32.000 And you could see him writhing on the floor.

01:22:35.000 And it looked like he was just trying to find some comfort.

01:22:38.000 Like the pain was so intense from that broken nose that he was just trying to find some kind of comfort.

01:22:44.000 Blood was everywhere, and it was just two guys that pushed themselves to the brink.

01:22:49.000 And, unfortunately, when you see a fight...

01:22:51.000 What is that?

01:22:52.000 Can you go to the bathroom?

01:22:53.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:22:54.000 Just ask.

01:22:55.000 Go ahead.

01:22:55.000 Go to the bathroom.

01:22:56.000 Jesus Christ.

01:22:57.000 You know, your dad?

01:23:00.000 That guy's drinking over here.

01:23:01.000 Chris Palmquist is the only one drinking here.

01:23:03.000 Throwing down the booze. 1.00

01:23:05.000 Checking his fucking Twitter every five minutes. 1.00

01:23:07.000 But, uh, it was a sport, or it was a fight, rather, with these... 0.99

01:23:11.000 Like, you see him here, like, writhing in agony.

01:23:13.000 Like, here...

01:23:16.000 Like, that is so hard to deal with.

01:23:18.000 I mean, he's just looking at him.

01:23:19.000 He's like, oh, he just goes down.

01:23:21.000 I mean, he's just in agony.

01:23:25.000 I mean, it's one of the most intense moments I've ever seen in a fight of just, like, the most obvious expression of pain.

01:23:34.000 I mean, look at him here.

01:23:35.000 It's crazy.

01:23:36.000 It's never gonna be the same.

01:23:38.000 He might not ever be the same.

01:23:39.000 And by the way, Robbie too. 0.99

01:23:43.000 That was a crazy fucking fight. 0.99

01:23:45.000 Rory said the next day that was the greatest day of his life. 0.99

01:23:48.000 Yeah, I'm sure he did.

01:23:49.000 That's the man he is.

01:23:51.000 Yeah.

01:23:52.000 I mean, he fought his heart out.

01:23:54.000 There was nothing left for both of them.

01:23:56.000 They were so closely matched.

01:23:58.000 Such a good fight.

01:24:00.000 And Robbie, how about when he's screaming in victory and his lip is split open like a cleft palate?

01:24:07.000 His lip is split open, this giant gash in his lip.

01:24:12.000 Like, look at him.

01:24:12.000 There's a sideways photo where you see, like, a profile picture of him roaring with his lips split open.

01:24:19.000 And it's just hard to believe that this guy is...

01:24:23.000 You know, he fought like that.

01:24:24.000 He fought with his lips split wide open.

01:24:26.000 There's a better picture of it, Jamie, if you find it.

01:24:28.000 It's like a sideways angle of the side where you see the actual cut itself.

01:24:33.000 But it was one of the most gruesome lip injuries I've ever seen.

01:24:37.000 And, you know, this is the guy who won.

01:24:38.000 Those guys, there it is.

01:24:40.000 There it is.

01:24:41.000 Dana apparently walked up from that side right there and said, oh my god, don't talk. 1.00

01:24:47.000 Yeah, I mean, his lip was literally just a giant slice, like you get hit with a hatchet in the face.

01:24:56.000 It was crazy.

01:24:56.000 It was a crazy, crazy, crazy fight.

01:24:58.000 And one of the most intense, closely matched title fights in the welterweight division's history.

01:25:03.000 Ever, probably, right?

01:25:03.000 Yeah, ever.

01:25:04.000 It was about down to the wire.

01:25:06.000 It was really the kind of fight that everybody always wanted from GSP. But GSP's fights were always really tactical.

01:25:11.000 It was really smart about when to take guys down.

01:25:13.000 And people would get mad at the way GSP would fight.

01:25:17.000 They would say, oh, he's just outpointing these guys. 1.00

01:25:20.000 But that's the only way you get out with your fucking head intact. 1.00

01:25:23.000 Yeah, right. 1.00

01:25:24.000 Not being fucked up for the rest of your life. 0.99

01:25:25.000 This is what fighting is. 0.99

01:25:27.000 I mean, what is fighting?

01:25:28.000 Is fighting two guys hitting each other until one guy goes down?

01:25:31.000 Or is fighting figuring out how to not get hit?

01:25:34.000 I mean, the smart guys figure out how to not get hit as much.

01:25:37.000 You're always going to get hit.

01:25:38.000 There's no way around it.

01:25:40.000 But get hit the least amount possible.

01:25:42.000 And I don't understand people that get mad at that.

01:25:45.000 I really don't.

01:25:47.000 I always want to say, has anybody ever hit you?

01:25:50.000 Do you understand what these guys are trying to do?

01:25:52.000 They're trying to not get hit.

01:25:53.000 It's a big part of this whole thing.

01:25:55.000 Don't get hit.

01:25:56.000 Giant part.

01:25:57.000 My sense is, I've never played football in my life, and I barely know the rules.

01:26:02.000 When I watch football, I personally cannot appreciate their athleticism because I don't know what's going on.

01:26:08.000 I know that NFL players are probably the best athletes in the whole world, but I can't see it because I don't know the sport.

01:26:14.000 My sense is there's a lot of MMA fans that just don't understand the artistry that goes on there, the timing it takes to take somebody down and all the nuances of I think if they did know it, they would love watching.

01:26:27.000 I love...

01:26:28.000 GSP fighting is a fight clinic.

01:26:30.000 Look at that guy for 30 seconds and I pick up something I didn't know before.

01:26:33.000 I love watching the guy fight. 0.92

01:26:35.000 But if I didn't know much about the sport, I'd be like, ah, just why don't you guys hit each other and give each other a bloody nose. 0.98

01:26:40.000 It's more exciting.

01:26:41.000 Well, that's what a lot of people felt about the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather fight.

01:26:44.000 A lot of people were mad at that fight.

01:26:46.000 Yeah, they called it boring. 0.98

01:26:47.000 Like, hit him, hit him! 0.96

01:26:48.000 Like, you don't think he's trying? 0.96

01:26:52.000 I mean, it's a fixed fight. 0.98

01:26:54.000 They fucking made a decision to not hit each other. 0.99

01:26:57.000 Oh my god. 1.00

01:26:59.000 It's just that stupid conversation that you have with people that don't understand the sport. 1.00

01:27:03.000 Why doesn't he just do... 1.00

01:27:04.000 Oh, gee, you shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:27:05.000 Why doesn't he just... 1.00

01:27:07.000 Well, you should be coaching.

01:27:08.000 Yeah, it's the fan in the crowd. 1.00

01:27:09.000 Punch him in the face! 1.00

01:27:10.000 Like, that's good advice. 1.00

01:27:12.000 No shit, I'm trying to punch him in the face. 0.99

01:27:14.000 I'm excited by the next level athletes and the next level ability that you're seeing in the sport that I think TJ Dillashaw shows, like those kind of guys. 0.99

01:27:25.000 I think you're going to see a guy, like eventually, who can move and strike like TJ, but kicks like Edson Barboza.

01:27:31.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:27:32.000 Like you're gonna see that with a guy who could wrestle like Johnny Hendricks.

01:27:35.000 You're gonna see that with a guy who could submit guys like Damian Maia.

01:27:38.000 Like right now we're still in this growth stage.

01:27:41.000 We haven't hit the critical mass yet.

01:27:43.000 We haven't hit that one where we see the perfect Michael Jordan of MMA. They don't exist yet.

01:27:49.000 I think you're starting to see glimpses of these possibilities and what TJ showed this weekend I think is a great glimpse of that possibility.

01:27:58.000 And that's what excites me about fighting. 1.00

01:28:01.000 People think, oh, you're a fucking meathead. 1.00

01:28:03.000 You like watching people beat the shit out of each other. 1.00

01:28:05.000 And it's like, I get it. 0.99

01:28:06.000 I look like a meathead. 0.95

01:28:07.000 I sound like a meathead. 0.87

01:28:08.000 It's a crazy sport being a cage-fighting commentator. 0.62

01:28:11.000 It's a crazy sport to be a part of. 1.00

01:28:14.000 People would assume that you're some sort of an uncivilized fuckhead. 0.99

01:28:17.000 But my take on it is that we only live for a short amount of time anyway. 1.00

01:28:21.000 You live and you die.

01:28:22.000 And there are extreme, exciting things that you can do with your life if you so choose to.

01:28:28.000 I think fighting is one of those things.

01:28:30.000 And I think at the very highest level, what it is, is problem solving.

01:28:35.000 It's intense consequence problem solving.

01:28:38.000 And when you're looking at a guy like TJ Dillashaw, he has created this problem solving solution with Dwayne Ludwig.

01:28:45.000 And their problem-solving solution involves incredible athleticism, amazing determination, and a fanatical coach who has a deep, deep understanding of movement and striking in a way that I don't think any other coaches have.

01:29:00.000 The way Dwayne teaches his guys is so different.

01:29:03.000 I've worked out with him, man.

01:29:04.000 He's on another level. 0.98

01:29:06.000 Like, he's all fucking Asperger's out when you're talking to him. 1.00

01:29:09.000 He gets crazy OCD, ADD, whatever the fuck it is. 1.00

01:29:13.000 But he's like... 0.99

01:29:15.000 Starts rattling out.

01:29:16.000 I've watched him and TJ hit mitts together, too.

01:29:18.000 You watch him rattle out information, like the intensity level and the amount of data that they're crunching and processing and how much thought is behind every single movement.

01:29:29.000 You know, a lot of guys, when they throw punches, like you say, you throw a one-two, you sort of move a little bit forward with the jab and then you rotate the shoulders and the hips to throw the right hand.

01:29:38.000 Dwayne has the moving.

01:29:39.000 He's got...

01:29:40.000 You move with the left, you move with the right.

01:29:42.000 And after you throw that right hand, you're moving again, and you're throwing the left hook.

01:29:47.000 You're moving again when you're throwing the right hand.

01:29:49.000 You're not just rotating your shoulders, you're stepping in, or you're stepping back.

01:29:53.000 There's all these movements, and when you see it in the Boral fight...

01:29:57.000 Especially that final flurry. 1.00

01:29:59.000 I mean, that's some shit from a fucking movie, man. 1.00

01:30:02.000 I mean, he's going left and right and left and right. 1.00

01:30:05.000 He's not in front of him Vitor Trey Tellegman.

01:30:08.000 You know, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.

01:30:09.000 No, he's boom, boom, sidestep, boom, boom, sidestep, boom, boom, sidestep, boom, boom. 1.00

01:30:16.000 It's like Matrix shit. 0.99

01:30:16.000 And Burrell's fucking seeing a fireworks display at Disneyland, and he's throwing these... 0.99

01:30:22.000 His arms aren't working for him, and he's throwing these hooks just trying to stay alive and just... 0.99

01:30:27.000 Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop!

01:30:28.000 He's just getting lit up like a Christmas tree.

01:30:30.000 It was beautiful to watch. 1.00

01:30:31.000 It's next-level shit, you know? 1.00

01:30:34.000 Yeah, I agree 100%. 1.00

01:30:35.000 One of my heroes in the sport is Andre Pedernaris.

01:30:38.000 I think he's my hero, first of all, because he, as far as I understand it, he was the first guy to bring poor kids into jiu-jitsu and into mixed martial arts.

01:30:47.000 It was a rich kid's sport.

01:30:48.000 And he would, I mean, you look at all the top guys from his gym, they didn't have any money when they showed up there.

01:30:52.000 They'd live on the mats there.

01:30:54.000 And He played sort of an avuncular or father role, and he brought him up, and then he sent himself to learn striking.

01:31:01.000 He went to Holland and learned Dutch kickboxing, and then he welded world-class jiu-jitsu with Dutch kickboxing.

01:31:07.000 Dutch kickboxing is like Western boxing.

01:31:11.000 And plus Muay Thai kicks and some karate kicks and then a bunch of combinations.

01:31:15.000 In short, that's what it is.

01:31:16.000 And he learned it.

01:31:17.000 He put those two together.

01:31:18.000 And he created guys like Burau and like Jose Aldo.

01:31:22.000 But now there's another step.

01:31:24.000 And it's that Bang Ludwig game. 1.00

01:31:27.000 Yeah, the next level shit. 0.99

01:31:29.000 It really is an interesting thing to watch. 0.99

01:31:32.000 It's an interesting thing to watch the progress.

01:31:35.000 It's so fascinating because, again, if you look back at football from the 1960s, if you look back and you watch some of the great players that played throughout history, you will see better athletes today than you see then.

01:31:51.000 But the game is recognizable.

01:31:53.000 If you go back and watch UFC 1 from 1993, I mean, go back and watch a Marvin Hagler fight from 1988, you know, or 1985. Watch Hagler fight Mustafa Hamshou, or, you know...

01:32:05.000 That was a great fight.

01:32:06.000 Great fight.

01:32:07.000 Watch him fight, you know, anybody.

01:32:09.000 Watch him fight anybody from that era.

01:32:11.000 And then watch a really good boxing match today, and you'll see the same thing.

01:32:17.000 You're seeing the same sport.

01:32:18.000 Yeah, same sport.

01:32:19.000 I mean, you might see a guy in Floyd Mayweather who has it down to a science, and I think personally, as far as boxing, I think Floyd Mayweather is the best boxer ever, because I think he gets hit the least, he moves the best, and he shuts guys down the most.

01:32:32.000 You don't have to like him as a person.

01:32:34.000 You might think he's a douchebag or whatever, but I think as far as being a skillful boxer, it's my personal opinion.

01:32:41.000 I mean, I got in an argument with Max Kellerman was telling me Sugar Ray Robinson is the best.

01:32:45.000 I'm like...

01:32:46.000 Maybe.

01:32:47.000 Do you think Jake LaMotta would beat Floyd Mayweather? 1.00

01:32:51.000 I think you're fucking crazy if you believe that. 0.99

01:32:53.000 I don't think Jake LaMotta would lay a glove on him. 1.00

01:32:55.000 I just don't believe that would happen.

01:32:57.000 I just don't see it happening. 0.93

01:32:59.000 I think if they were the same weight class, I think Floyd Mayweather would fucking pot shot Jake LaMotta and tie him up and cut angles on him and move away from him on the ropes. 0.92

01:33:07.000 I just think he's better. 0.62

01:33:08.000 I think, yeah, Ray Robinson might have fought more times and fought more people and went all the way up to light heavyweight and all that jazz, but I think Floyd's the best.

01:33:18.000 But when you look at Ray Robinson's fights, it's recognizable.

01:33:23.000 It's the same sport.

01:33:24.000 It's the same sport.

01:33:25.000 There's a little bit of a difference, a little more plotting.

01:33:27.000 They fought a little different.

01:33:29.000 They stood in the pocket a little bit more.

01:33:31.000 But Jesus Christ, you look at the difference between MMA from 93. Shit, go to 95. Look at MMA from 20 years ago and look at it now. 0.99

01:33:40.000 It's not the same thing at all.

01:33:43.000 You watched T.J. Dillashaw's fight the other night and tell me there was anybody that he was even remotely similar to that just 10 years ago.

01:33:50.000 Yeah, too true.

01:33:51.000 Forget about 20. Too true.

01:33:53.000 It's amazing.

01:33:54.000 I was talking with my, I'm the records keeper for MMA and my counterpart, the records keeper for boxing is Annie Miramontes.

01:34:00.000 A couple of, two, three years ago, I was talking with Annie and John McCarthy.

01:34:03.000 And McCarthy was talking about the fact that he owns a gym, and he rolls with all the athletes and stuff, and Andy Miramonte's got kind of a weird look in his face, and he goes, wait a minute, you roll with these people?

01:34:16.000 Because in boxing, you have to keep a distance, a separation between the officials and the athletes.

01:34:22.000 And what McCarthy said is, this sport is evolving all the time, and I can't do my job unless I'm in there actually rolling with the people.

01:34:30.000 And then he showed them a go-go plata.

01:34:32.000 And Annie, the boxing guy, was like, oh, that's unbelievable!

01:34:36.000 And several years ago, the go-go plata was a fairly new move, and he just threw that out as an example of how...

01:34:42.000 So boxing basically stays the same.

01:34:44.000 So if you're a records keeper or you're a referee, you are refereeing and officiating a sport that's been the same for 50 years, basically.

01:34:53.000 You don't have to know all the new things in it.

01:34:56.000 And MMA is just changing all the time.

01:34:57.000 And if you're an official involved in the sport, you've got to be on the mats every week or something's going to be coming up that you've never seen before.

01:35:04.000 Yeah, in jiu-jitsu, there's always some new move that someone figures out.

01:35:08.000 There's always something.

01:35:09.000 Some new way to do a choke. 1.00

01:35:11.000 Some new way to lock an arm bar in or attack a leg.

01:35:14.000 That combination that Jamie just put up on the big screen, this is TJ's final flurry against Hennon Burrow.

01:35:22.000 You show me a painting that anybody ever made that looks better than this.

01:35:26.000 Look at the way he just did that, the way he's moving on them.

01:35:29.000 And look, every time he's punching, he stands in front of them, he lands shots, and then he moves.

01:35:36.000 Boom! 0.99

01:35:36.000 Moves to the left, moving to the right. 0.99

01:35:38.000 Look, every time he's throwing these punches, he's moving. 0.94

01:35:42.000 I mean, this is like a sponge, next-level athlete, and a kid like TJ Dillashaw, super dedicated, got a perfect mind for the sport, that became best friends with a fucking maniac, like Dwayne Ludwig, who's a world champion kickboxer, 0.96

01:35:58.000 who showed him how to do it. 0.92

01:36:00.000 And it's exactly how they did it in the locker room.

01:36:02.000 I was actually back there watching them warm up, and that's exactly how they move when they warm up, and he executes it exactly how Bang wants him to.

01:36:10.000 Look at that animated GIF. Like, look at this movement.

01:36:13.000 I mean, it's fucking incredible. 0.99

01:36:17.000 I mean, look at that. 0.99

01:36:19.000 That is insane.

01:36:20.000 And right in front of him, bing, and then slides just out of the way of the Counter-Strikes. 1.00

01:36:25.000 This is incredible shit, man. 0.99

01:36:27.000 I mean, I don't think there's been a guy in the sport that moves that good. 1.00

01:36:31.000 And what's really incredible is Dwayne never moved like that. 0.98

01:36:35.000 Dwayne's teaching him some shit that he figured out that he didn't even do himself. 0.90

01:36:39.000 I mean, Dwayne was a great kickboxer, but Dwayne was way more linear in his movements. 0.98

01:36:44.000 Like, what TJ's doing is some really crazy shit that Dwayne sort of figured out that TJ can do. 0.51

01:36:49.000 And maybe the craziest thing about it is TJ does have a base in something else. 0.97

01:36:55.000 He started off, obviously, as a wrestler.

01:36:57.000 There's a whole new generation coming up that were on the swim team or they played hockey or something.

01:37:02.000 They don't have any base in any sort of a thing.

01:37:04.000 All they're learning from the get-go is mixed martial arts.

01:37:07.000 Guys like Joe Proctor out of Chris's Gym was a hockey player in high school and walked into the gym and never done any kind of combat sport in all his life.

01:37:14.000 And I think...

01:37:16.000 With the whole next generation of Joe Proctor's is gonna throw up stuff I can barely imagine. 0.64

01:37:22.000 Well, there's a thought, there's a school of thought that the best way is actually not that way, but rather the best way is to get really fucking good at one thing.

01:37:30.000 To get like really good at kickboxing and then dedicate yourself to learning MMA. So you will always have this advantage in the striking because we all know that to get Really incredibly good at something.

01:37:42.000 Almost requires a singular dedication.

01:37:45.000 Although TJ is one of the world's best mixed martial arts fighters, for sure.

01:37:49.000 He's probably not one of the world's best strikers.

01:37:52.000 If you put him in glory, and you put him up against Andy Ristey, or one of those really high-level...

01:37:59.000 Muay Thai guys, he might not be able to beat those guys. 1.00

01:38:02.000 But when it comes to putting all that shit together, he's one of the best at it. 0.89

01:38:06.000 But if you get a guy like Andy Ristie, who learns all the shit that he's doing, that TJ's learning, then he will have an advantage over TJ, at least in that one aspect of the game. 0.97

01:38:15.000 Whereas TJ will always have an advantage over him in wrestling, because that's his base.

01:38:20.000 There's an interesting schools of thought there that some people think that it's best to learn everything from the get-go, like a Rory McDonald.

01:38:28.000 Yeah.

01:38:28.000 And some people think it's better to be like a Damien Maia.

01:38:30.000 You come in, you have this one insane discipline, the world-class Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and then everything else you've got to kind of learn to go with it.

01:38:39.000 But worst case scenario, you could always take it to that place, and you'll have this giant advantage over everyone else.

01:38:45.000 Do you remember when Damien Maia took Rick Story down? 0.99

01:38:48.000 Rick Story is this fucking beast of a wrestler. 1.00

01:38:51.000 Super strong guy, but Damian Maia took him down, smushed him, transitioned to his back, and squoze his fucking head like a zit. 1.00

01:38:58.000 And I remember watching it going, holy shit. 0.99

01:39:01.000 I never saw anybody do that to Rick Story before. 0.98

01:39:04.000 But it's that next level jujitsu that he has that no one else has.

01:39:08.000 Or that, you know, very few.

01:39:09.000 I've watched that tape.

01:39:10.000 I don't know how he did it.

01:39:11.000 He did the same thing to Ed Herman.

01:39:13.000 Ed Herman was a Team Quest guy, good wrestler, and he's like taking them down, mounting them, triangle them, right?

01:39:18.000 Mounted a triangle and finished them like this.

01:39:20.000 It was like when Damian Maia went on that three-fight submission streak where he just ran through guys.

01:39:24.000 What about Chael Sonnen?

01:39:25.000 Remember when he lateral dropped him?

01:39:26.000 Yeah.

01:39:27.000 Lateral dropped him, went right into a mounted triangle and tapped him. 1.00

01:39:30.000 It's like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:39:32.000 Just to take Chael down like that, too, to fucking throw him like a ragdoll was crazy. 1.00

01:39:38.000 He's a next-level grappler. 0.98

01:39:40.000 But, you know, when he fought Anderson, like, good luck.

01:39:43.000 You couldn't even catch him.

01:39:44.000 But Anderson, that was a crazy fight.

01:39:46.000 That was the one in Abu Dhabi where Anderson came out guns blazing for, like, the first two rounds and then just took off.

01:39:52.000 Just died, yeah.

01:39:53.000 Just stopped fighting for the last three.

01:39:55.000 As I understand it, that was a...

01:39:57.000 Class warfare thing.

01:39:59.000 You kept taunting him and calling him Playboy.

01:40:02.000 I asked some Brazilian, why do you call him a Playboy? 1.00

01:40:05.000 It's kind of a compliment to call somebody a Playboy, I think, in the States.

01:40:08.000 And he said, ah, it means kind of like a rich kid who's not too serious.

01:40:12.000 And, you know, obviously Anderson Silva was raised by his uncle.

01:40:16.000 His uncle was a cop, and his parents didn't have any money at all.

01:40:19.000 Didn't have the money to raise their own son.

01:40:21.000 Gave him to the cop.

01:40:22.000 And even the cop, I don't think, had a whole ton of money.

01:40:24.000 So he came up poor.

01:40:26.000 And I think that's where all the Chutebox guys came from, was poor neighborhoods. 1.00

01:40:29.000 And so there was some rivalry there, and I think that's what was going on.

01:40:33.000 He knew he could beat him up, but just wanted to rough up the rich kid, the preppy kid. 0.98

01:40:38.000 It was crazy, but it was real weird to watch, because it didn't make any sense, because Damian Meyer was never really a shit-talker. 0.98

01:40:44.000 He's a gentleman. 0.96

01:40:45.000 So to see Anderson, like, screaming at him, and then not fighting for the last three rounds.

01:40:50.000 Like, that whole arena was...

01:40:51.000 they were so pissed.

01:40:53.000 Because this was a huge event in Abu Dhabi, and it was right after Sheik Tok Noon had bought 10% of the UFC. It was kind of embarrassing for them to have that event there and have the greatest fighter in the world at the time, Anderson, fight this guy in Damian Maia who's well-respected and people thinking this was going to be some sort of a crazy war,

01:41:11.000 and then Anderson just doesn't fight for the last three rounds.

01:41:14.000 He just moved around.

01:41:15.000 I remember afterwards Dana White said, if he does that again, I'm gonna fire him.

01:41:18.000 I was like, oh my god, sweet Jesus, he's the greatest fighter in the world, and that fight was so bad, you're gonna fire him?

01:41:24.000 Isn't that crazy?

01:41:24.000 That's crazy talk.

01:41:26.000 How do you do that?

01:41:28.000 You can't really fire somebody.

01:41:29.000 Can't really fire a guy.

01:41:30.000 Winning.

01:41:31.000 Oh, for winning, no.

01:41:32.000 You know, I mean, he won.

01:41:33.000 But do that and lose?

01:41:35.000 Watch out.

01:41:36.000 Well, Anderson is a crazy, crazy sort of special example of a guy who had this aura of invincibility. 0.57

01:41:45.000 Everybody thought he was just indestructible until he met Weidman. 0.67

01:41:49.000 And Weidman just smashed him.

01:41:51.000 And then all of a sudden, he's not the same guy anymore.

01:41:53.000 You see him in the Nick Diaz fight when Nick Diaz fell to the ground and put his hands up like he was sleeping because he was bored with him.

01:41:59.000 He's taunting him. 0.92

01:42:00.000 And you could see Anderson was fucking with his head to the point where after the fight was over... 0.99

01:42:04.000 Anderson fell to the ground and was crying after he beat Nick Diaz. 0.99

01:42:08.000 I mean, he's crying, weeping, openly weeping.

01:42:10.000 I was standing over him while I was doing it.

01:42:12.000 He was openly weeping just because it was so much pressure to get through it because of those two fights with Weidman.

01:42:18.000 Like, Weidman stole something from him.

01:42:21.000 You know, he just beat him when he knocked him out and then the second fight when he broke his leg...

01:42:25.000 We didn't just beat him.

01:42:27.000 He stole all of his confidence.

01:42:29.000 He stole who he was as a champion.

01:42:32.000 Those moments are crazy because before that, when he fought Stefan Bonner in Brazil and put his back up against the cage, he's like, come on, try to hit me.

01:42:40.000 And they just moved out of the way and then blasted him with a knee to the body and took him out and then jumped up on the cage and all the Brazilians went crazy.

01:42:46.000 I was like, who's better than that guy? 0.99

01:42:48.000 Who the fuck is gonna beat that guy? 0.99

01:42:50.000 Meanwhile, Chris Wyvern was watching the whole thing at home, not impressed. 0.99

01:42:53.000 Not impressed at all.

01:42:54.000 So crazy.

01:42:55.000 It's crazy how that happens.

01:42:57.000 How we get this idea in our head, whether it's a Mike Tyson or an Anderson Silva or anybody, we get this idea in our head that you can never be beat.

01:43:04.000 And it's one of the great things about any sport, especially fighting, is that you know there's gonna come a day.

01:43:11.000 Sometimes you're the hammer and sometimes you're the nail. 1.00

01:43:13.000 There's gonna come a day when you're the nail, bitch. 1.00

01:43:16.000 You know, you better get ready for it, or you better get out like George St. Pierre did. 1.00

01:43:20.000 And he's been the nail, you know?

01:43:22.000 He's been the nail with Matt Serra.

01:43:24.000 It's gonna happen.

01:43:25.000 The mental game, I think, is way under, way, way, way underappreciated.

01:43:31.000 And it hit me when I was a kid, I learned that Sir Roger Bannister, the first man to break the four-minute mile, everybody thought you couldn't break the four-minute mile.

01:43:39.000 And he finally did it.

01:43:40.000 And once he did it, within like 60 days, four other guys did it.

01:43:44.000 Because they knew it could be done.

01:43:45.000 And then when you have an idea in your head in sports, but particularly in combat sports, whether it's I'm invincible or I'm going to beat this guy or whatever, when you have that idea in your head, it's actually physically, physiologically really, really powerful.

01:43:58.000 But that got taken away from Anderson Silva.

01:44:01.000 He realized he was not, in fact, invincible.

01:44:04.000 And then I think life's a lot tougher for him now.

01:44:07.000 Oh, it's way tougher.

01:44:08.000 Still my hero.

01:44:10.000 I think that's why a guy like McGregor right now he really thinks he's invincible and it's that power of his mentality that pushes he literally thinks he can't lose he can call his fights call the round and he does it because he's so confident it's not that he believes it he knows it in his in his own head and it's it's powerful it carries him through just destroying these guys that Chad Mendes is a good fighter Chad Mendes is way out of shape for that fight let's be honest about things first of Chad Mendes and Urias stated this and Dwayne Ludwig said the same

01:44:40.000 thing when I talked to him Chad takes time off in between fights.

01:44:43.000 He likes to go hunting He likes to spend time doing other shit and for him to accept a fight like that on two weeks notice He did it because he thought he was gonna be able to win anyway But if you gave Chad Mendes a full camp if you gave Chad Mendes six to eight weeks and you know really let him know three months preferable It would be a different fight.

01:45:00.000 It would be a very different fight. 0.71

01:45:01.000 As long as he wasn't injured and, you know, Conor actually was injured going into that fight.

01:45:04.000 He had something wrong with his knee.

01:45:05.000 He was getting stem cell injections in his knee.

01:45:07.000 Yeah, I heard that like eight weeks before the fight.

01:45:09.000 Yeah, Chris told me that a couple months before.

01:45:10.000 A lot of people knew about that.

01:45:11.000 Bookies were talking about it.

01:45:12.000 But Chad just didn't have the win.

01:45:14.000 It was really obvious. 0.99

01:45:15.000 It was also obvious he wasn't prepared for that kind of fucking movement. 0.99

01:45:18.000 I mean, it takes a long time to get ready for a guy who can kick like Conor can. 0.99

01:45:22.000 You know, and Conor's long and big. 0.99

01:45:24.000 For 145, he fucking sucks a lot of weight. 0.98

01:45:28.000 I don't know what the number is, but I know that when he was there on weigh-in day, he looked like Skeletor. 0.99

01:45:33.000 Yeah.

01:45:34.000 I mean, he looked like total starvation.

01:45:37.000 And then the next day, he looked big again.

01:45:39.000 You know, he probably put on...

01:45:40.000 I would have been shocked if he was 145. 70 in the cage?

01:45:44.000 25 pounds?

01:45:45.000 He walks around at 170. I wouldn't be surprised if he was that big in the cage.

01:45:47.000 I've known guys that have cut that much weight and put it all right back on.

01:45:51.000 So crazy.

01:45:52.000 And even the guys that don't cut a lot, the 55ers, they're still 68, 69. They don't even have hard cuts. 1.00

01:45:59.000 What about Gleason Tebow?

01:46:00.000 He's like 190 in the cage.

01:46:02.000 He's gigantic. 0.99

01:46:03.000 He fights at 155, and he's fucking huge. 1.00

01:46:07.000 I mean, he is a goddamn superhero. 0.99

01:46:09.000 He doesn't even look like a real person when he gets in that cage. 0.99

01:46:12.000 He's just so muscular and thick, and it doesn't make any sense.

01:46:15.000 I actually have no idea how he does it.

01:46:17.000 It's too much.

01:46:18.000 And he competes, though.

01:46:20.000 He doesn't gas because of it.

01:46:22.000 He has a gas tank on him.

01:46:24.000 Usually there's guys that get sucked down a lot.

01:46:26.000 They've got the good round in them, and they're kind of tired, but T-Bow can fight 3-5s no problem being that...

01:46:33.000 Gigantic after a huge weight cut.

01:46:35.000 Yeah, well biodiversity is a real thing.

01:46:37.000 Some people just have abilities that other people just don't have.

01:46:40.000 Like Cain Velasquez has always had this incredible ability to have this phenomenal cardio.

01:46:45.000 You know, which was so ironic.

01:46:47.000 Here's another example of a guy you think is invincible and then Fabricio Verdum literally out cardioed Cain by training really hard and doing a lot of cardio at 8,000 feet above elevation, above sea level.

01:47:00.000 And Kane just thought, hey, I got the best cardio in the sport.

01:47:03.000 I don't even need to go to Mexico early.

01:47:05.000 So they're fighting in Mexico City as heavyweights at 7,500 feet above sea level.

01:47:09.000 Super high altitude.

01:47:11.000 Ridiculous for heavyweights.

01:47:12.000 And Fabrizio had been training 1,000 feet above that. 0.72

01:47:16.000 He really prepared.

01:47:17.000 He really got ready for it.

01:47:18.000 And you see Cain gassing.

01:47:20.000 And you see Cain gassing in that second round. 0.97

01:47:22.000 I was like, I don't even fucking believe what I'm seeing. 0.96

01:47:25.000 Cain Velasquez is exhausted. 0.97

01:47:27.000 He's going back to his corner on rubbery legs.

01:47:30.000 He's taking these big, heaving, deep breaths.

01:47:32.000 I'm like, I've never seen this from him before.

01:47:34.000 The UFC had one of their, I don't know if it was an embedded, some kind of a little video that they shot of Verdum in his camp, and I saw he was sleeping on the floor.

01:47:45.000 They showed he had four fighters in the room, and he just had a tiny little, it wasn't even a cot, he just had a pallet on the floor.

01:47:50.000 And I looked at that, I looked at the elevation, and I was like, this guy's going to win.

01:47:53.000 He's sleeping on the floor for two months at a time.

01:47:56.000 He's at elevation.

01:47:57.000 He's going to win this fight. 1.00

01:47:59.000 You can sleep on the floor all day long, Chris Weibner still punch your fucking face in. 1.00

01:48:04.000 He'll have a nice comfy bed, wake up with his little fucking footie pajamas on and beat the shit out of you. 1.00

01:48:09.000 I don't know if that helps. 1.00

01:48:11.000 We were just talking about why when we were trying to figure out exactly why he's so dominant.

01:48:16.000 And we don't have any genius answers to it.

01:48:18.000 His brother beat him up.

01:48:19.000 His brother beat him up all his life. 0.55

01:48:21.000 His brother brutalized him.

01:48:22.000 His dad's an NFL player. 0.97

01:48:23.000 His brother was an animal and his brother bullied him.

01:48:26.000 And I think when you grow up like that, you're constantly defending yourself against your brother.

01:48:32.000 I think that's one of the reasons why Matt Hughes was so dominant. 0.93

01:48:35.000 Him and his brother used to beat the fuck out of each other.

01:48:37.000 I think that's one of the reasons why John Jones is such a badass. 0.95

01:48:40.000 Him and his brothers are all super athletes and they beat the fuck out of each other.

01:48:44.000 I think that is super normal.

01:48:46.000 I think when you develop in a household where you're constantly competing with your own brother, and in Weidman's case, his brother was older than him.

01:48:54.000 His brother was older and bigger.

01:48:55.000 And there's like bad stories that came out of that too.

01:48:58.000 He had to go to the hospital once.

01:48:59.000 I think his brother dropped a weight plate on his head.

01:49:01.000 I don't know if that's a true story, but that's what I've heard.

01:49:04.000 My brother and I have caused bloody wounds more than once growing up. 1.00

01:49:09.000 But he still ended up a pussy. 1.00

01:49:10.000 I don't understand. 1.00

01:49:11.000 He got beat up his whole life.

01:49:12.000 He's right here, and he doesn't have a mic. 1.00

01:49:13.000 This is so fucked up. 1.00

01:49:15.000 It's so rough. 1.00

01:49:16.000 Well, I just think that there's an advantage in that, a psychological advantage in not being afraid, because you're constantly going to war with your own brother.

01:49:24.000 You know, you just develop a steel-hardened sense of competition where you're just ready to go.

01:49:30.000 You're ready to go. 1.00

01:49:30.000 I'm ready to go right now, motherfucker. 1.00

01:49:32.000 You're ready to go. 1.00

01:49:32.000 You know, like, you have this... 1.00

01:49:34.000 When Chris Weidman got in Anderson Silva's face, when they first waited and Anderson Silva walked up to him and kissed him, he pressed the face and Weidman didn't move.

01:49:43.000 And Anderson's staring at him and said, we'll see you tomorrow. 1.00

01:49:46.000 He goes, hey, I'm not afraid of you, motherfucker. 1.00

01:49:49.000 That's what he said. 1.00

01:49:49.000 He goes, I'm not afraid of you. 1.00

01:49:50.000 And you could see in his eyes, it wasn't like, I'm not afraid of you, man.

01:49:54.000 There's no craziness.

01:49:55.000 It was just a real calm, I'm not afraid of you, man.

01:49:58.000 I'm not afraid of you.

01:49:59.000 And Weidman was like, tomorrow we will see, we will see.

01:50:02.000 We will see.

01:50:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:50:04.000 But even there, you see how goddamn big Weidman is. 0.99

01:50:06.000 Yeah, he's big. 0.98

01:50:07.000 And this is when he weighed in at 185. You know, the amount of weight that that guy cuts.

01:50:12.000 I don't know how much it is, but it's not a small amount.

01:50:15.000 It's multiple pounds.

01:50:17.000 Because when he fought Damian Maia, that was a fight that he had to take on Fox on very short notice.

01:50:23.000 And he sucked a tremendous amount of weight.

01:50:26.000 To fight that fight. 0.74

01:50:27.000 And he was just absolutely drained and exhausted because of it.

01:50:31.000 Even when they put the water back on him.

01:50:33.000 One of the things that Ray Longo said in between the corner, he said, I saw what you did yesterday to make weight. 0.98

01:50:37.000 If you did that, you could fucking do anything. 1.00

01:50:39.000 Go out there and kick his ass. 1.00

01:50:41.000 Like, he had to say that to Weidman when Weidman was exhausted. 1.00

01:50:44.000 I didn't realize how strong Weidman was until he did that helicopter knee bar on Anderson Silva.

01:50:50.000 That blew my mind as much as anything I've ever seen in a fight. 0.99

01:50:54.000 Lorenzo Fertitta talks about how the whole sport is based on holy fucking shit moments. 0.99

01:50:58.000 He's every single UFC. At some point, something's going to happen that makes you go, holy fucking shit. 1.00

01:51:03.000 And that's the heart of the sport. 0.99

01:51:04.000 For me, it was when he did that helicopter knee bar on Anderson Silva.

01:51:08.000 I'm like, really?

01:51:09.000 You're trying to knee bar him?

01:51:11.000 And he got kind of close.

01:51:12.000 That's when I realized this...

01:51:13.000 Mentally, he's just at another level.

01:51:16.000 He wasn't scared of taking him down.

01:51:17.000 He knew he could take him down.

01:51:19.000 Well, what got me was the Vitor fight.

01:51:21.000 When he shot on Vitor, that was such a deep double.

01:51:24.000 And when he shot on him and clasped his hands together, I'm like, no one's defending this.

01:51:29.000 He's not defending this.

01:51:31.000 And then once he got Vitor to the ground, the difference between, first of all, the difference between Vitor, the Vitor that fought Rockhold, the Vitor that fought Bisping.

01:51:38.000 I mean, he's just not the same dude.

01:51:40.000 You take away the TRT. Yeah, TRT gone.

01:51:43.000 No testosterone injections, and he's just this fucking regular guy. 0.98

01:51:46.000 He actually is at a deficit, because his body has really low testosterone, as opposed to a normal 36, 37-year-old man. 1.00

01:51:55.000 His body, I mean, he's been taking that shit for so long. 0.98

01:51:58.000 I mean, if you go back to the Randy Couture fight, like we were talking about before, he was 240 pounds. 1.00

01:52:03.000 He's been messing with his system and hyper-human levels for so long that his regular endocrine system is probably really fucked up.

01:52:13.000 That's also the fight where Weidman got in his face at the weigh-ins, and he was yelling at him about the levels that he showed in camp. 0.57

01:52:18.000 Because his levels in camp were three times higher than Weidman's.

01:52:23.000 The level that they tested him on.

01:52:25.000 But acceptable, right?

01:52:25.000 It's acceptable.

01:52:26.000 It was under the limit, but it was 1,200.

01:52:30.000 And this is a guy that needed testosterone replacement.

01:52:33.000 I mean, it's all...

01:52:34.000 Something wasn't right. 0.99

01:52:35.000 And Weidman was like, you're fucking juicing. 1.00

01:52:37.000 You're fucking juicing. 1.00

01:52:38.000 He goes, I know you're fucking juicing the camp. 1.00

01:52:39.000 And he goes, I'm going to make you pay for it. 1.00

01:52:41.000 I'm going to punish you for this tomorrow.

01:52:42.000 And you could see Vitor's eyes were like, oh.

01:52:45.000 And he said something to him.

01:52:46.000 I couldn't hear what he said to him.

01:52:48.000 So I asked Weidman what he said.

01:52:49.000 And he just was going off about the levels.

01:52:52.000 He goes, I knew something was wrong with his levels. 1.00

01:52:54.000 He goes, I'm busted my ass. 1.00

01:52:56.000 I'm 10 years younger than him. 1.00

01:52:57.000 And I'm testing at 300. And that's what happens to guys in camp.

01:53:01.000 They break down. 0.96

01:53:03.000 I mean, you're going through these two and three days, and you're just goddamn exhausted.

01:53:07.000 You're just trying to push through it, trying to push through it just to keep your conditioning high.

01:53:11.000 And when he found out that Vitor's level, he was so angry. 0.98

01:53:14.000 He was so fucking angry. 0.95

01:53:17.000 And then he did punish him for it when he got him down. 0.99

01:53:19.000 Oh, he beat him up bad.

01:53:20.000 He beat him up bad.

01:53:21.000 That was a bad beatdown.

01:53:23.000 I never saw Vitor in that sort of a position either.

01:53:26.000 Mounted like that with just no hope of getting up.

01:53:29.000 Yeah, wanting to be out of there.

01:53:31.000 Yeah, there it is.

01:53:32.000 So hopeless, he was punching up, which we know doesn't work from the bottom of the mouth.

01:53:35.000 Nobody does. 1.00

01:53:36.000 I mean, that shit never works. 1.00

01:53:37.000 That shit worked in like... 1.00

01:53:37.000 He was just flailing, like he was trying to hit him back. 1.00

01:53:40.000 And Wyman was just smashing him, just boom, boom, boom.

01:53:43.000 And look at his face.

01:53:44.000 He's just so, like...

01:53:45.000 See if you can get a video, Jamie, of the final flurry.

01:53:48.000 It's awful.

01:53:49.000 But it's also like Vitor's body, when he got into the cage, like all this loose skin.

01:53:55.000 It was all...

01:53:55.000 It was weird.

01:53:56.000 It was weird to see.

01:53:57.000 It's like he looked like a welterweight.

01:53:59.000 Like, he could be welterweight, like, easy. 0.99

01:54:01.000 If he could stay off the shit, he could be 170. Like, and not a big one. 0.98

01:54:06.000 You compare him to, like, Brandon Thatch, like, Thatch is a big welterweight.

01:54:10.000 Or, like, Anthony Johnson when he made welterweight. 0.98

01:54:12.000 Holy shit. 0.98

01:54:14.000 That didn't even make sense. 0.99

01:54:15.000 He made it once, I think, for sure.

01:54:16.000 Made it three or four times.

01:54:17.000 Yeah, he made it three or four times.

01:54:19.000 A couple times he missed it.

01:54:20.000 And now he has to cut weight to get light heavyweight.

01:54:22.000 Chris and I were at Masks Funeral and that was the first time I met him in person.

01:54:27.000 He was like 240. It was one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen.

01:54:32.000 If you were at Masks Funeral, I was there too.

01:54:33.000 So we saw each other. 0.98

01:54:34.000 You remember that fucking blowhard speech that the director went up and gave that Masks He died on a certain day so that he could promote the movie. 1.00

01:54:43.000 Do you remember that shit? 1.00

01:54:44.000 I do remember that guy and I heard he barely even knew him. 1.00

01:54:47.000 Barely knew him?

01:54:48.000 They were not best friends or...

01:54:50.000 I just assumed it was a best friend and he was distraught and that's why he was being a...

01:54:56.000 Blowhard.

01:54:56.000 The guy shouldn't even been able to talk at the funeral.

01:54:58.000 I mean, that's how little you know him. 0.98

01:55:00.000 And he went up and gave this unbelievably ridiculous Hollywood speech of Mask dying. 0.53

01:55:07.000 I was wondering, why did he die at this time?

01:55:09.000 And then I realized he died so that he could promote our movie, which is coming out June 20th.

01:55:16.000 Hollywood. 0.91

01:55:16.000 It was so gross. 0.91

01:55:18.000 Hollywood. 0.87

01:55:19.000 It was gross. 0.55

01:55:19.000 It was so gross. 0.55

01:55:20.000 You heard it all throughout the room. 1.00

01:55:24.000 All these people going, oh, fucking Christ. 0.99

01:55:27.000 But it was one of those things where no one could say anything because you're trying to be respectful because it's at this funeral. 0.99

01:55:32.000 And then Dan, punk ass, went up and told a real heartfelt thing. 0.96

01:55:38.000 That was his really good friend and a brother. 0.99

01:55:41.000 He was really broken up. 0.99

01:55:45.000 You know, Tim went up and he was really broken up and this guy goes up and gave this fucking disgusting speech. 1.00

01:55:51.000 How disgusting? 0.99

01:55:53.000 I mean, like on a 1 to 10, it was a 10, right?

01:55:54.000 It was a 10. Oh yeah, that was perfectly disgusting.

01:55:59.000 And I just assumed that he was being so inappropriate because he was broken up inside and I asked a couple people like...

01:56:06.000 They weren't, they were barely, they were acquaintances. 0.96

01:56:08.000 He's just a fraud. 0.58

01:56:09.000 Just one of those Hollywood frauds.

01:56:11.000 Who are the two guys that tried to fight at the dinner afterwards?

01:56:14.000 Like two guys that were in the UFC. Maybe I won't name names, but two guys in the UFC. We were to dinner, but it's still like a somber experience.

01:56:21.000 You know, we just came from the funeral, and two guys in UFC almost got into a fight at dinner, like yelling and screaming at each other. 0.99

01:56:28.000 And someone just said, like, guys, sit the fuck down. 0.99

01:56:30.000 You're at a memorial dinner. 0.99

01:56:31.000 Like, relax.

01:56:33.000 Jesus.

01:56:35.000 That's so crazy.

01:56:36.000 Some people can't let it go.

01:56:38.000 There's no safe place.

01:56:40.000 I'm pretty sure they never fought to this day, though, because I think they're in different weight classes now.

01:56:44.000 Here's the final thing with Vitor and Weidman.

01:56:48.000 Vitor's trying to hit him.

01:56:50.000 Vitor had him hurt.

01:56:51.000 He hit him with a couple good shots, and Chris stayed right in front of him and took the shot.

01:56:57.000 And then once he got him down, he just started smashing him. 0.96

01:57:00.000 Moved into full mount and just beat the fuck out of him. 0.97

01:57:04.000 Here we go. 0.99

01:57:05.000 Boom, boom, boom, boom. 0.86

01:57:10.000 Just brutalized him. 0.62

01:57:12.000 You know, it's an old, old, old, old line, but you talk about punch a black belt once and he's a brown belt and so on, and Vitor just got punched into being a white belt.

01:57:20.000 Well, I don't know, you know, how good Vitor's just straight ground game is.

01:57:24.000 I've never seen him roll jujitsu with, like, a high-level guy.

01:57:27.000 I've never seen it.

01:57:29.000 I saw him almost catch...

01:57:30.000 He almost caught John Jones with an armbar, but John kind of wasn't respecting his ground game.

01:57:37.000 He's just kind of...

01:57:38.000 Leaving it out there it just it wasn't like a difficult arm bar to catch I mean any purple belt who's worth his salt could have got that same kind of arm bar if a guy's like doing that with his arm but I would love to see, like, you know, you hear about guys, 0.94

01:57:54.000 like, this guy's a black belt, that guy's a black belt, like, what level are they really, like, in a real jujitsu sense, you know?

01:58:00.000 It used to be, like, ten years ago, you heard black belt, you're like, this guy's gotta be amazing.

01:58:04.000 Right.

01:58:05.000 And now you hear black belt, you're like, well, what kind of black belt?

01:58:07.000 Right, exactly.

01:58:09.000 Because there are black belts and there are black belts.

01:58:11.000 Yeah.

01:58:11.000 It's like the Marcelo Garcia's of the world.

01:58:13.000 Sure. 1.00

01:58:14.000 They're like fucking Jesus. 1.00

01:58:15.000 The John Jacques of the world. 1.00

01:58:16.000 You know, there's black belts that just can chew up other black belts. 0.99

01:58:19.000 And then there's black belts that tap other black belts. 0.93

01:58:22.000 You know, like Comprito got tapped by Hodger Gracie at the UFC event.

01:58:29.000 You know, they have the grappling thing?

01:58:30.000 Yeah, the expo.

01:58:31.000 But look, Comprito is obviously like super high level black belt. 0.96

01:58:35.000 But Hodger Gracie is another level.

01:58:38.000 That's another level.

01:58:39.000 And it's hard to explain that to people when they say, well, this guy's a black belt and that guy's a black belt.

01:58:43.000 Well, here's the deal.

01:58:45.000 That guy could do anything he wants to me, but that guy could do anything he wants to him.

01:58:51.000 Like, there's levels. 1.00

01:58:52.000 There's levels to this shit. 1.00

01:58:53.000 There's definitely levels. 1.00

01:58:54.000 And it's hard to rep.

01:58:55.000 You can't really quantify it as, like, black or purple or red.

01:59:00.000 Sure.

01:59:00.000 At a certain point in time, it's just a matter of, well, that's Haja Gracie.

01:59:04.000 And that's just all there is to it.

01:59:05.000 Because I've rolled with black belts, and I'm, like, pretty competitive.

01:59:09.000 And then I've rolled with, like, higher-end guys, and I feel like I've never learned jiu-jitsu.

01:59:13.000 Roll with Eddie tonight.

01:59:14.000 I've rolled with Eddie before.

01:59:15.000 You're gonna have a wonderful time. 0.99

01:59:16.000 I can't wait to get fucking tortured by him. 0.99

01:59:18.000 I've rolled with Eddie before a couple times out here. 1.00

01:59:21.000 He's actually the one that fucked all my ears up. 0.92

01:59:23.000 Eddie's completely responsible for my ears. 0.98

01:59:25.000 All the cauliflower.

01:59:27.000 No.

01:59:28.000 100%.

01:59:28.000 No.

01:59:29.000 I didn't have cauliflower for seven years.

01:59:31.000 I had a fight.

01:59:32.000 Because his high guard is so tight?

01:59:33.000 I had a fight, and I got hit a couple times, so my ears were sore.

01:59:36.000 I came to LA for like a month.

01:59:38.000 I trained with Eddie a lot.

01:59:39.000 And the first night, he just put me in his rubber guard.

01:59:41.000 And just shins rubbing across my ears for like four hours. 0.97

01:59:45.000 And I left and they were fucking like, they were like, out like here. 0.99

01:59:48.000 Dumbo, why didn't you drain them? 0.99

01:59:50.000 So I didn't know about draining them back then.

01:59:52.000 This was like, I had no idea.

01:59:54.000 How did you not know about draining years?

01:59:57.000 I don't know.

01:59:57.000 It was like 2005. They were doing that in the 50s.

01:59:59.000 I don't know.

01:59:59.000 I couldn't have wrestled though.

02:00:00.000 There's a Roman statue.

02:00:03.000 Have you seen the statue?

02:00:04.000 Of a gladiator with cauliflower ear that's leaking.

02:00:08.000 It's got a cut on the cauliflower ear and there's drops coming out of the ear. 1.00

02:00:12.000 So I have, like, ears like this, and the next night I go to Big John's gym, and he looks at me and goes, holy fuck, your ears are big! 0.99

02:00:19.000 And he's like, you want me to drain them? 0.99

02:00:21.000 I'm like, I don't know what that means.

02:00:23.000 And he's like, come with me.

02:00:24.000 And he takes me into the back and, like, gets the needle out and drains my ears. 0.84

02:00:27.000 And they go down, but I never got them, like, cut out and stitched, so they're just fucking big now.

02:00:34.000 Well, they could fix that, too. 0.95

02:00:35.000 My friend Brent had his ears cut open.

02:00:37.000 They fillet them like a salmon, and they get in there and they scrape out all the cartilage. 1.00

02:00:42.000 I had that shit in my nose. 0.99

02:00:44.000 I always wear ear guards, so my ears are okay. 0.99

02:00:48.000 I have a little bit of cauliflower in a few spots, but most of it is fine.

02:00:52.000 But my nose had been broken so many times that...

02:00:55.000 What cauliflower ear is, is when your skin breaks and it fills up with blood, the blood remains in the skin and then it calcifies.

02:01:03.000 So when the blood is trapped under the surface of the skin, it bulges up in like that little hematoma or whatever you would call it, that blood becomes hard.

02:01:10.000 It calcifies and literally becomes like a stone in your body.

02:01:14.000 That's why cauliflower ears are harder than a rock.

02:01:17.000 Right.

02:01:17.000 Because they are a rock.

02:01:18.000 Yeah.

02:01:22.000 We're good to go.

02:01:37.000 Not only did they have cauliflower ear back then, but an MD in New York saw this and he believes, he's pretty confident, that that's actually draining an ear.

02:01:47.000 It wasn't just the guy got hit in the ear and he had cauliflower and he was bleeding.

02:01:50.000 He believes that that's a medical procedure.

02:01:52.000 Wow.

02:01:53.000 And that they were cutting and draining the ear on purpose in 11...

02:01:57.000 100 B.C. or whenever it was.

02:01:59.000 That's crazy because it makes sense if you, I mean, you don't really see slices like that.

02:02:04.000 Right, right.

02:02:05.000 Too much.

02:02:06.000 I use mine as a weapon now.

02:02:08.000 Like when I'm grappling, I like grind it into someone's head and pull the other side because it's as hard as a rock, like you said.

02:02:13.000 Yeah, look at that picture of the guy when you scroll down.

02:02:15.000 That's on my website.

02:02:17.000 I blogged about that a couple of years.

02:02:18.000 Oh, really?

02:02:18.000 Yeah, that's the UG. Wow.

02:02:22.000 That's crazy.

02:02:23.000 One of my favorite cauliflower ear stories is I shot a boxing from a May DVD with Joe Lozano and his brother Danny and their boxing trainer.

02:02:31.000 And Danny comes in late and he's like, I can't shoot this.

02:02:35.000 Look at my ear.

02:02:35.000 And his ear was all huge.

02:02:36.000 And Joe's like, oh, I can fix this.

02:02:39.000 So they get a needle and they go in the bathroom.

02:02:43.000 Joe jams a needle in and Danny starts screaming and they're basically in a fist fight with each other with a needle through the ear.

02:02:49.000 And somebody looks in and he goes, dude, that needle is going all the way through the ear.

02:02:53.000 So the needle didn't stop in the middle to drain the fluid out.

02:02:57.000 It had skewered all the way through Danny's ear and the two of them are wrestling around with each other and screaming at each other.

02:03:03.000 It is on video somewhere.

02:03:05.000 Well, there's another example of two brothers who beat the fuck out of each other, and they both became very tough.

02:03:10.000 There's a bunch! 0.65

02:03:11.000 You ever see the video of them fighting on the front lawn at their house?

02:03:13.000 And they were fighting.

02:03:15.000 It was like NHB, headbutts.

02:03:17.000 But Joe used to always get the better of it, right?

02:03:19.000 Yeah, he was always the big brother.

02:03:20.000 He started training first.

02:03:22.000 That's the problem.

02:03:23.000 But Danny's good, man.

02:03:23.000 He just doesn't have that same drive that Joe has, like the mental side.

02:03:27.000 Danny is...

02:03:28.000 Incredible.

02:03:29.000 He's the guy that like leaves the gym for four months, comes in and beats up everybody.

02:03:32.000 But he doesn't have that like, whatever it is.

02:03:35.000 To stay in shape?

02:03:35.000 To stay in shape, to stay motivated, to stay in the gym.

02:03:38.000 Is he still fighting?

02:03:39.000 I know he fought in World Series and fighting recently.

02:03:41.000 Yeah, he's fighting August 16th for a local show up down around the island.

02:03:45.000 Is he in shape?

02:03:46.000 Does he train hard now?

02:03:47.000 Yeah, he's training now pretty well.

02:03:48.000 With you guys?

02:03:49.000 Yeah, and he trained at a couple of other local gyms.

02:03:52.000 There they are.

02:03:52.000 Yeah.

02:03:53.000 This is like, oh, this is before the UFC, 2002 maybe.

02:03:58.000 Oh my god.

02:03:59.000 Yeah, this is a fight.

02:04:00.000 They fight twice because Joe wins and then Danny wants to fight again.

02:04:03.000 Oh my god, look at this.

02:04:05.000 Did he win by armbar here?

02:04:07.000 I think he does.

02:04:08.000 I don't remember specifically now. 0.98

02:04:10.000 It's so crazy that these brothers just beat the shit out of each other. 0.96

02:04:13.000 And this is like all family on the front lawn watching. 1.00

02:04:14.000 That's so crazy.

02:04:15.000 Family and friends.

02:04:16.000 And they're fighting.

02:04:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:04:18.000 I mean, they are fucking fighting. 0.99

02:04:20.000 Yeah, this is a tight-ass triangle. 1.00

02:04:22.000 Does he tap here?

02:04:23.000 Yeah, but then he pushes him and they fight again.

02:04:25.000 There it is.

02:04:31.000 Bit Biggie the Ref.

02:04:33.000 That's literally like a Soul Shore community, family street, like the neighbors are there, like the cousins are there.

02:04:38.000 You guys had a pig roast too, right?

02:04:40.000 Yeah, well his parents for years had a pig roast every summer, so that's where we were.

02:04:44.000 There's like a hundred people there and...

02:04:46.000 I don't know how it even started. 1.00

02:04:48.000 It's just, hey, like, fuck you. 1.00

02:04:50.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:04:51.000 Fuck you. 1.00

02:04:51.000 And then they put shorts on and a cup and gloves and the whole deal. 1.00

02:04:55.000 I'll tell you a funny story.

02:04:56.000 Danny, since he was 18, has never worn jeans without sprawl shorts underneath him for his entire adult life.

02:05:02.000 He's always ready to go.

02:05:04.000 So he just takes his pants off and can...

02:05:06.000 Yeah, you know, he wears his pants loose, he's got big jeans, and he's just ready to go.

02:05:10.000 Have you seen these pants called, uh, they call them barbell shorts?

02:05:13.000 No.

02:05:13.000 Look, they're not shorts, uh, barbell jeans, barbell brand jeans.

02:05:17.000 Look at that, I'm wearing them right now.

02:05:18.000 These guys sent them to me.

02:05:20.000 They're jeans, but they're stretchy. 1.00

02:05:22.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:05:22.000 Dude, they're incredible. 1.00

02:05:24.000 I think I need some of those.

02:05:24.000 It really is stretch.

02:05:25.000 Look at this.

02:05:26.000 Jesus.

02:05:27.000 They don't hold you back at all.

02:05:29.000 They don't bind up at all.

02:05:30.000 You could throw full power kicks at these things.

02:05:32.000 Can you work out in it?

02:05:33.000 Can you squat?

02:05:34.000 Yeah, you could do anything.

02:05:36.000 There's no worry about the way your legs move.

02:05:39.000 I'm gonna have to Google those things.

02:05:41.000 It's like having tights on.

02:05:42.000 Barbell jeans?

02:05:43.000 Yeah, I have no...

02:05:44.000 They're called...

02:05:45.000 Yeah, this is a company.

02:05:47.000 I have no affiliation with them. 0.79

02:05:48.000 They just sent me a pair of these and I fucking love them. 0.64

02:05:50.000 They're amazing. 0.93

02:05:51.000 They make shorts now, too.

02:05:53.000 MMA shorts have the same material, but the jeans look and feel like jeans except in the way you move.

02:06:00.000 There's just some sort of elastic quality to the pants.

02:06:03.000 And this is a new company. 0.99

02:06:05.000 I've bought some before from some other companies that make them for hockey players and stuff because I don't fit in regular pants because I have a fucking troll body. 0.96

02:06:16.000 Really, I wear a 32, but I have to wear a belt. 0.99

02:06:20.000 I really have a 30-inch waist, but I have big-ass thighs.

02:06:23.000 A lot of times I wear 33-inch pants, straight leg, just so I can get them past my mid-thigh.

02:06:30.000 Because otherwise, Levi's 501s are a joke.

02:06:33.000 I can't even wear them.

02:06:35.000 I literally can't get them on.

02:06:36.000 They get to right here and they just lock up.

02:06:38.000 But these...

02:06:40.000 These barbell pants, they just fit like a glove.

02:06:43.000 It's incredible.

02:06:43.000 Look at that.

02:06:44.000 Look at how they stretch.

02:06:46.000 They snap.

02:06:47.000 We were talking about how technology improves things.

02:06:50.000 This is embarrassing, but I remember in the 80s, I bought Chuck Norris kicking jeans.

02:06:54.000 I had those!

02:06:56.000 They had ties in the front and a pleated crotch, and the advertisement was, the secret? 0.85

02:07:01.000 It's in the crotch. 0.51

02:07:05.000 Somehow I found that compelling. 1.00

02:07:07.000 And Chuck Norris always threw kicks with his fucking cowboy boots on. 1.00

02:07:10.000 That's right. 1.00

02:07:11.000 He always had those cowboy boots on with the heel, the wooden heel.

02:07:15.000 Look at him.

02:07:15.000 There he is!

02:07:16.000 He's the fucking bitch! 1.00

02:07:17.000 Awesome. 1.00

02:07:21.000 $19.95, that's what I paid.

02:07:23.000 Well, they had a gusset.

02:07:24.000 And then there's another brand called Diamond Gusset Jeans.

02:07:28.000 And I used to buy those a lot, too.

02:07:30.000 And what they wore was like a regular pair of jeans, but they put a gusset and a crotch so that you could move around better. 0.99

02:07:37.000 But none of those can fuck. 0.99

02:07:38.000 Don't bind your legs. 1.00

02:07:40.000 Don't bind your legs. 1.00

02:07:41.000 But none of those can fuck with the barbell jeans. 1.00

02:07:43.000 Barbell jeans, they nailed it. 1.00

02:07:45.000 They know what the fuck they're doing. 1.00

02:07:46.000 But those tie in the front, that's bullshit. 1.00

02:07:49.000 That's how they used to have those karate, PK karate pants. 0.99

02:07:52.000 I used to wear those with my taekwondo gi.

02:07:55.000 My taekwondo, the dobok.

02:07:57.000 I used to wear those different pants, the century pants that tied up in the front because they kicked better.

02:08:03.000 They were better.

02:08:04.000 They were looser.

02:08:05.000 They were looser on your body.

02:08:07.000 They figured out a way to make them less binding.

02:08:09.000 Like, even Muay Thai shorts, man. 0.99

02:08:11.000 A lot of Muay Thai shorts fucking bind on you. 0.98

02:08:13.000 Yeah, they roll up. 0.99

02:08:15.000 Like, when Alan Belch used to fight, they'd be all rolled up, all to his waist.

02:08:20.000 Yeah, they'd pull them up, because Alan has those giant tree trunk legs, you know, and a lot of those pants, they'd bind up.

02:08:25.000 Like, Melvin Manhoff, he would wear, like, a gladiator skirt, you know, because...

02:08:29.000 His legs are huge.

02:08:31.000 I wonder if it is a Western body kind of a thing, because I've never really seen a Thai guy with huge, huge, huge thighs.

02:08:38.000 Yeah.

02:08:38.000 Maybe they're designed for more slight 145 to 105 pound Thai fighters.

02:08:44.000 Definitely.

02:08:44.000 I mean, why would they design them for people that don't even wear them, in their world at least?

02:08:49.000 But the thing about guys who weight lift, if you lift weights and you develop big-ass fucking football player thighs or something like that, regular pants are just not going to fit you. 0.94

02:09:00.000 I'm always amazed when I wear XL. I'm like, I'm fucking 5'8". 0.98

02:09:04.000 What about a real XL person? 0.99

02:09:07.000 What the hell do they wear?

02:09:08.000 You know, how am I an XL? What the fuck does a guy like Big John wear? 1.00

02:09:13.000 Or Stefan Struve? 1.00

02:09:15.000 I mean, how many X's is in his fucking clothes? 0.99

02:09:18.000 They must be custom-made. 0.99

02:09:19.000 I mean, how many guys are Stefan Struis in?

02:09:21.000 Big John is 250 or something?

02:09:23.000 240?

02:09:24.000 I mean, he's a big man.

02:09:25.000 He would love you if you said he was 250. I heard Dylan talk about his weight, though, recently.

02:09:28.000 Don't ask him about it.

02:09:29.000 Don't ask him?

02:09:31.000 Well, if you go back to UFC 1, and you look at him then, you look at him now, things have changed.

02:09:36.000 Hmm.

02:09:37.000 Something about the diet.

02:09:38.000 Hmm.

02:09:39.000 Yeah, I don't think he's 240. I think he's quite a bit bigger than that.

02:09:42.000 But point being, he's a real XL dude. 0.97

02:09:45.000 I'm not fucking XL. So why do they do that? 0.88

02:09:49.000 Who the hell's small?

02:09:50.000 Who the hell is wearing a small? 1.00

02:09:52.000 Women. 1.00

02:09:53.000 You have to be really fucked. 1.00

02:09:55.000 I can't get in a small. 1.00

02:09:55.000 What are you looking at? 1.00

02:09:56.000 You're looking at me for it.

02:09:58.000 It's bizarre.

02:09:59.000 It's bizarre the sizing, you know, that people have.

02:10:02.000 I think in the future we're going to get all of our clothes from 3D printers.

02:10:07.000 That's what I think.

02:10:07.000 Just printed to fit?

02:10:08.000 Yeah, I really do. 0.97

02:10:10.000 They're doing all kinds of crazy shit with 3D printers now.

02:10:13.000 I think that's probably the future of pretty much everything. 0.72

02:10:16.000 Making firearms already.

02:10:18.000 Firearms are something that gets subject to a lot more stress than clothing does.

02:10:22.000 I mean, if you can make firearms, pretty soon they'll be able to make clothing on demand.

02:10:27.000 I think that's what you're going to get, like everything.

02:10:28.000 If you want to buy a computer, what you're going to do is you're going to, you know, it's like buying a license for your computer from somewhere.

02:10:35.000 You're going to get a license for it, and then you're just going to, like, you know, like a one-click on Apple or something like that, and then you're just going to print up your computer.

02:10:43.000 I really think that.

02:10:44.000 I think you're just going to have, like, a printer, but that printer's going to have raw materials, like metals and, you know, minerals or whatever you need for batteries or what have you, and you're just going to print it.

02:10:53.000 Have you invested in any of that?

02:10:55.000 No.

02:10:55.000 This is one of the most, you know, LA is one of the most creative areas in the world, obviously.

02:11:00.000 It's more Silicon Valley.

02:11:01.000 You know, that's where all the computer stuff is going down.

02:11:03.000 You must have opportunities, though.

02:11:05.000 People must approach you with all kinds of stuff.

02:11:07.000 I'm not investing in anything.

02:11:10.000 I don't have time to do what I'm already doing.

02:11:12.000 I'm trying to size down. 0.99

02:11:13.000 I'm trying to do less shit. 0.97

02:11:14.000 The last thing I want to do, is this guy making a t-shirt here, Jamie? 0.99

02:11:17.000 Is that what this is?

02:11:18.000 Look at this.

02:11:19.000 They're already ready.

02:11:21.000 Every time, this is my problem.

02:11:23.000 Whenever I have an idea, they've already done it.

02:11:25.000 There's a video online about it.

02:11:27.000 Let me see the video.

02:11:28.000 It's just a GIF. That's it?

02:11:30.000 Oh, okay.

02:11:32.000 So what he does is he takes a pattern in there.

02:11:38.000 Locks it in place, and that's the printer, and then it just starts adding material to that pattern.

02:11:43.000 Wow.

02:11:44.000 Makes sense, man.

02:11:45.000 And then it makes a wife beater. 1.00

02:11:47.000 Put it on, and you fucking go to the pizza place. 0.99

02:11:51.000 Order a slice. 1.00

02:11:53.000 It's funny that they use wife beaters. 1.00

02:11:55.000 Why did they decide to use a wife beater there? 1.00

02:11:57.000 Right?

02:11:57.000 Is that your target market?

02:11:59.000 The wife beater market? 0.98

02:12:00.000 Yeah, a lot of dudes who beat the shit out of their wives, they like to make their own shirts. 1.00

02:12:06.000 In the future, man. 0.54

02:12:08.000 I think medical technology is the most fascinating thing as far as MMA. About healing people.

02:12:14.000 Figuring out a way to fix brains.

02:12:17.000 Figuring out a way to people that have been injured.

02:12:20.000 People that have been KO'd.

02:12:23.000 They're talking about taking people that have been injured and directly putting them in cryo chambers.

02:12:29.000 And that the amount of damage that they can stop and the damage they can mitigate.

02:12:34.000 And once they can figure out how to, right now there's no real technology to reverse brain damage.

02:12:40.000 You know, if you break your arm, they can fix it.

02:12:43.000 You know, if you have a knee injury, they can fix your ligaments. 1.00

02:12:47.000 If you have a brain injury, you're pretty fucked. 0.99

02:12:50.000 You know, there's not a whole lot they can do. 0.99

02:12:52.000 You know, they can help you try to heal yourself.

02:12:54.000 There's a little bit of therapy they can do.

02:12:56.000 There's a few new ways.

02:12:58.000 They can kind of mitigate the issues, but for the most part, when you have a brain injury, you have a brain injury.

02:13:03.000 Yeah.

02:13:04.000 Put you in a helmet so you don't get worse.

02:13:06.000 They really don't know.

02:13:08.000 I've got a friend of the family, a girl I used to babysit, who had a terrible brain injury from that street luge sport.

02:13:15.000 She banged the hell out of her head.

02:13:17.000 And the doctor just said, don't go outside for six months and don't read any books for six months.

02:13:23.000 Don't read any books?

02:13:25.000 Don't do anything.

02:13:26.000 Just cocoon your entire consciousness from the entire outside world.

02:13:30.000 Sterilize the house.

02:13:31.000 And after, I think, four months, she said, you can get a baby chicken.

02:13:35.000 Because the you know don't spend a lot of time with people because that's an awful lot of thought and even a cat would be too interactive But she thought a little baby chick would be some human thing you could interact with a little bit low low low But you know a top MD at Mass General Hospital saying buy a chicken to fix your brain indicates at the level of Understanding is as you said very low.

02:13:57.000 There's not much they can do don't even talk to people yeah, they do that and She had some family money and sort of cocooned herself away.

02:14:07.000 How old was she when this happened?

02:14:09.000 Mid-40s.

02:14:10.000 Oh my god.

02:14:11.000 Mid-40s when it happened?

02:14:13.000 Yeah.

02:14:14.000 Whoa.

02:14:14.000 So she was on a street luge?

02:14:17.000 Like a skateboard type thing.

02:14:19.000 Yeah.

02:14:19.000 Rolling down the hill?

02:14:20.000 I don't understand the sport well.

02:14:22.000 Yeah, it's like a bobsled.

02:14:22.000 Like they do with the X Games.

02:14:23.000 It's like a bobsled on wheels and they go down steep hills.

02:14:26.000 It makes you think about all those videos that you laugh at on LiveLeak where a guy gets fucking clipped on his ankles by a car and flips through the air and lands on his back.

02:14:34.000 I can't watch any of those. 0.97

02:14:35.000 How many people just get so fucked up by those things and we never think about it again? 0.99

02:14:40.000 Yeah, or the guy's dead. 0.97

02:14:42.000 You see him on Tosh and those shows.

02:14:44.000 They get hit by a truck going across the highway. 0.69

02:14:49.000 Maybe that guy's dead or brain dead.

02:14:52.000 Well, there was a guy in LA, California, Southern California, that got in trouble recently because they were drifting.

02:14:57.000 And he drifted into a bystander.

02:15:02.000 Clipped him.

02:15:03.000 There's a video of it.

02:15:04.000 See if you can find it on JoppaLink.com.

02:15:07.000 Drifter hits pedestrian and took off.

02:15:09.000 I don't know what the story is, but they were all trying to find this guy, and it was a total hit-and-run.

02:15:14.000 He clipped this guy with the side of his car as he was going sideways, and you would think you would, like, fall, like, got knocked back or something. 0.98

02:15:22.000 No, you flip through the fucking air like you weigh nothing. 0.97

02:15:25.000 You flip through the air like one of those little paper footballs. 1.00

02:15:28.000 You know when you do those things?

02:15:29.000 Yeah, you remember those?

02:15:31.000 That's what it looks like when this guy gets clipped sideways by his ankles and goes hurling through the air.

02:15:37.000 It's terrifying.

02:15:40.000 My exposure to people getting hit in the head is so much more than the average person's.

02:15:45.000 I don't think this is it.

02:15:47.000 But it's one of them.

02:15:48.000 Here's one.

02:15:49.000 Oh, no, that's different.

02:15:50.000 That guy got hit head-on.

02:15:52.000 That guy broke his legs.

02:15:54.000 This one, he got hit with the back and he goes hurling through the air.

02:15:58.000 But point being, I can't look at those anymore and not think about the consequences.

02:16:03.000 I know there's a woman who fights in the UFC that, not even her last fight, but the fight before that, Fucked her up so much that to this day she's got all these hormone problems. 1.00

02:16:14.000 Her cortisol levels are too high.

02:16:16.000 She gains weight and she doesn't know why.

02:16:18.000 She gets depressed, she doesn't know why. 1.00

02:16:20.000 Her equilibrium is all fucked up. 0.99

02:16:22.000 And it's not even from her last fight. 0.99

02:16:24.000 It's from the fight before her last fight.

02:16:26.000 Jeez.

02:16:26.000 Yeah, and we don't think about it because we watch those fights.

02:16:29.000 What a war! 0.99

02:16:30.000 Wow, those girls really fucking put it out there. 1.00

02:16:32.000 You move on with your life, and she, the lights go off. 0.99

02:16:36.000 You know, the spotlights are down, and she's by herself. 1.00

02:16:39.000 Her fucking head is going... 1.00

02:16:40.000 The throbbing and the pain and the aches. 1.00

02:16:45.000 I'm sure both of you have experienced that before.

02:16:47.000 Wow.

02:16:48.000 Every day of the week, pretty much, at my gym.

02:16:50.000 I'm like the punching bag at my gym.

02:16:53.000 Here it is.

02:16:54.000 There it is.

02:16:55.000 That's the one.

02:16:56.000 Watch this.

02:16:57.000 Watch this.

02:16:57.000 He goes sideways.

02:16:58.000 Watch this guy.

02:16:59.000 Oh! 0.60

02:17:00.000 See how the guy flies through the air?

02:17:02.000 Look at this.

02:17:03.000 Oh, yeah.

02:17:06.000 Oh, my God.

02:17:07.000 It's crazy, right?

02:17:08.000 Bing! 0.98

02:17:11.000 Yeah, I don't want to watch that again. 1.00

02:17:12.000 But don't go to the street while people are drifting, cocky bitch. 1.00

02:17:18.000 Don't watch the street while they're doing it. 0.99

02:17:19.000 Yeah, I don't know if they caught that guy.

02:17:21.000 Find out if they caught that guy.

02:17:22.000 But the damage that these guys receive on a daily basis, like we were talking about the Rory McDonald fight, or like a lot of these fights, you watch it and you don't think about it.

02:17:32.000 You just go on with your life.

02:17:33.000 But every now and then you'll run into one of those guys years later.

02:17:38.000 That doesn't fight anymore, and you're like, whatever happened to that guy? 0.99

02:17:42.000 And then you'll see him somewhere, and you're like, oh shit. 0.98

02:17:44.000 And you'll talk to him, and you'll hear him slurring their words. 0.98

02:17:47.000 I remember the first time I was training in Boston, and my boxing coach was this guy, Joe Lake, who wound up training Dana Rosenblatt.

02:17:58.000 Remember Dana Rosenblatt?

02:17:59.000 Dangerous.

02:17:59.000 Yeah, Dangerous Danny Rosenblatt, who was a training partner of mine.

02:18:03.000 He was one of the guys that convinced me to stop fighting because I realized I wasn't training the way he was training because I was trying to do comedy and all these different things at the same time, but I was still fighting.

02:18:12.000 I wasn't realizing how much dedication I had let slip by until I watched him train.

02:18:19.000 I trained with him, and I realized, okay.

02:18:21.000 I need to get out of here.

02:18:22.000 And I was only 21 at the time.

02:18:24.000 He was like 17 or 18. I think he was 18. But we trained at this gym with a bunch of really tough guys.

02:18:32.000 And Joe Lake, who was my boxing coach, was that prototypical South Boston boxing trainer. 0.99

02:18:38.000 It was fucking wars. 0.99

02:18:40.000 It was wars in the gym every day. 1.00

02:18:41.000 There was wars. 0.99

02:18:42.000 There wasn't no pity-pat bullshit. 0.99

02:18:44.000 You were going to war. 0.99

02:18:45.000 And I watched a few guys that I knew from a few years back come in the gym, and they would just slur and start talking funny. 1.00

02:18:52.000 I was like, holy shit, I'm looking at fucking brain damage. 0.99

02:18:57.000 Like, I'm looking at it, and here's a guy that I knew five years ago, and he didn't have it. 0.99

02:19:00.000 And now I'm talking to him, I haven't seen him in a while, and he's got it.

02:19:03.000 And it started to sink in.

02:19:05.000 Like, these headaches that I'm getting from these training sessions, like, this isn't free.

02:19:09.000 I'm not immune, you know?

02:19:12.000 And you watch Joe Frazier talk on TV. Where do you think that came from?

02:19:15.000 It came from getting punched in the head.

02:19:17.000 There's no way around it.

02:19:18.000 The thing about it that I find that haunts me, and I'll be honest, it haunts me because it may start happening in our sport, is CT sometimes doesn't manifest itself until five or even ten years after retirement.

02:19:31.000 The guy's fine.

02:19:33.000 Could be a commentator on TV. Everything in his brain is working well, and then five years kicks in, six years, and all of a sudden he starts getting a little more aggressive, and his gait isn't as good, and he becomes a different person, and his soul starts to piss away.

02:19:47.000 That's scary.

02:19:48.000 If that starts to happen, it'll...

02:19:51.000 It'll give me pause.

02:19:52.000 That doesn't scare you, Chris?

02:19:53.000 You're just staring at the table, thinking about your brain.

02:19:56.000 I don't know. 0.90

02:19:57.000 I've never been really hit hard enough, I guess.

02:19:59.000 My head's gigantic.

02:20:01.000 I've never been hit hard enough.

02:20:02.000 That doesn't mean anything.

02:20:03.000 So is Gary Goodrich.

02:20:04.000 He's a gigantic head, too.

02:20:05.000 You know guys in your gym, though, that have...

02:20:07.000 Punchy?

02:20:07.000 Yeah.

02:20:08.000 I know guys that have fought like twice in their whole career and already like they just that one fight did them in and they should never fight again because they're just punchy.

02:20:16.000 Well you remember Julio Cesar Chavez and Meldrick Taylor?

02:20:19.000 Yeah.

02:20:19.000 They fought one time and Meldrick was never the same again.

02:20:22.000 Chavez beat him into a different person.

02:20:25.000 No, who also was like that is Sean Gannon when he fought Kimbo for a half hour.

02:20:29.000 He was never the same from that day on. 0.60

02:20:31.000 That fight was fucking crazy and that was an underground exclusive because everybody talked about that on the UG. That was a live streaming fight. 0.96

02:20:40.000 You set that up?

02:20:40.000 I set that up, yeah.

02:20:42.000 That was after Kimbo had become this internet celebrity.

02:20:45.000 What year was that?

02:20:50.000 2002?

02:20:50.000 No, later than 2002, five-ish.

02:20:53.000 Yeah, because I drove home from college to get to that fight, so...

02:20:56.000 2002 to 2004. Yeah, I was in college in Boston still, so someone was like, dude, Kimbo vs.

02:21:03.000 Gann's going down in that hour.

02:21:04.000 You've got to get down here.

02:21:05.000 Well, Kenny Florian posted about it on the UG. It still pops up.

02:21:09.000 Does Kenny still post or is he done?

02:21:10.000 He's back.

02:21:11.000 He's back.

02:21:11.000 Recently, yeah.

02:21:12.000 He came back like a week ago.

02:21:13.000 He's back.

02:21:15.000 Well, he hasn't fought in a while.

02:21:16.000 His feelings won't get hurt as bad. 0.99

02:21:17.000 They talk a lot of shit on his commentary, though. 0.99

02:21:20.000 Yeah, I'm sure they do. 1.00

02:21:21.000 He's an excellent commentator.

02:21:22.000 He's very good, but it doesn't matter. 0.99

02:21:23.000 People are cunts. 0.99

02:21:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:21:25.000 They talk to everyone who's good at their job, but they don't give a fuck. 0.99

02:21:29.000 The people that don't give a fuck, they're just looking to be mad at anybody but their mom or whoever's fucking yelling at them at work or whatever your issue is. 1.00

02:21:37.000 You're taking it out on Kenny Florian, but really you're mad that you live in your mother's basement. 1.00

02:21:42.000 And that's the reality.

02:21:44.000 That's the reality.

02:21:45.000 100%.

02:21:46.000 There's a certain amount of people that are just getting fined, people mad at anything.

02:21:50.000 But Kenny, I think, was posting about it on the UG. That's how I found out about it.

02:21:55.000 Because I knew about Sean.

02:21:57.000 I knew Sean Gannon from The Fight World.

02:21:59.000 And I knew about Kimbo, obviously, from these YouTube videos. 0.98

02:22:02.000 And I couldn't believe that they had actually organized a fucking real fistfight. 0.96

02:22:07.000 And it went down. 1.00

02:22:08.000 Jamie, pull that video up because that's a fucking goddamn crazy video. 0.99

02:22:11.000 That was the first time Kimbo fought someone who actually knew how to fight. 0.99

02:22:15.000 And, you know, he became this internet celebrity by just lighting these idiots up in backyards and move away from the satellite dish and, you know, look out for that metal thing. 0.97

02:22:25.000 That's the guy where everyone thought his eyeball came out of his eye too or something. 1.00

02:22:29.000 He beat the fuck out of some people. 0.94

02:22:31.000 And he showed some good hands, showed some good skills, but then he fought Sean Gannon. 0.96

02:22:35.000 And Sean Gannon, first of all, he was in shape.

02:22:38.000 Yeah, he was in shape.

02:22:39.000 And he had an iron chin, and he's a cop.

02:22:41.000 And he's got an iron heart, too.

02:22:43.000 Yeah, and he was a boxer.

02:22:44.000 Golden gloves, at least.

02:22:45.000 It's not everything, but he was a boxer, for sure.

02:22:49.000 He was in the South Boston gyms forever, training.

02:22:52.000 He was a good fighter.

02:22:53.000 They both came out of that wrecked.

02:22:56.000 And the funny thing is they came up with a bunch of crazy rules in this fight as it was going down.

02:23:01.000 There was a 30 count.

02:23:03.000 Mike Littlefield still has the rules written down.

02:23:05.000 And it's got blood on it.

02:23:08.000 It's crazy because Kimbo tagged him with a bunch of punches, but they weren't taking him out.

02:23:14.000 And after a while...

02:23:16.000 Ganon started hitting the body and we started working like he did this combination me.

02:23:19.000 He's tagging Kimbo and Kimbo's hanging in there and then here Kimbo shoots.

02:23:25.000 That was illegal.

02:23:26.000 That was the first rule break of the entire fight.

02:23:29.000 But Ganon is getting a stand-in guillotine and he's holding on to him in a choke and then all these That was legal according to the rules.

02:23:37.000 The standing guillotine was legal.

02:23:38.000 I think that's his brother.

02:23:39.000 He had an alligator jacket and an alligator suitcase.

02:23:42.000 The guy's touching them while they're fighting, yelling at them.

02:23:45.000 And he's saying, let go, let go.

02:23:46.000 And he's trying to pry him away.

02:23:47.000 And then they're prying him away. 0.98

02:23:49.000 He's like, this crazy. 1.00

02:23:51.000 Like, what are the fucking rules? 1.00

02:23:53.000 I was very convinced I was going to get shot that night. 0.99

02:23:55.000 No, all of Kimmel's guys have been disarmed.

02:23:57.000 Yeah.

02:23:58.000 Well, there were cops, you know, and then Kimbo got him down, and Kimbo was trying to ground and pound him.

02:24:04.000 Which was against the rules.

02:24:05.000 Which was against the rules.

02:24:07.000 So Kimbo tried to ground and pound him, but Gannon got back up to his feet and just, heart.

02:24:12.000 You know, you just couldn't wear Gannon out that easy.

02:24:15.000 He was a guy who was used to brawling, too.

02:24:18.000 He had been in the deep water before and figured out a way to swim, you know, and Kimbo, I don't think he'd really been in deep water.

02:24:25.000 This was like the first time.

02:24:27.000 Hood fights for like a minute, a minute and a half long. 0.81

02:24:30.000 Now you're looking at Kimbo's already exhausted and Ganon is just starting to beat the fuck out of him.

02:24:35.000 And now, you know, Kimbo, the punches are coming real labored. 0.99

02:24:39.000 He's trying to push Ganon off the fucking wall. 0.99

02:24:41.000 Were you there when we built that wall? 1.00

02:24:43.000 No.

02:24:43.000 We had to show up early and build that wall because they didn't have one there for this fight.

02:24:47.000 That's funny.

02:24:48.000 It didn't last long either.

02:24:49.000 This is a crazy fight that's available online.

02:24:52.000 You can watch it.

02:24:53.000 But I remember...

02:24:54.000 It was a bunch of us were live watching this and commenting on the underground while it was happening.

02:25:00.000 I was reading the thread and watching the fight.

02:25:02.000 I was like, this is crazy.

02:25:04.000 You know, we're all trying to figure out what was going to happen.

02:25:07.000 And they showed Sean's face at the end of it.

02:25:10.000 And that's when it really hit home. 0.99

02:25:11.000 Because you're watching this, it's all blurry, grainy, really shitty fucking webcam video looking. 0.98

02:25:18.000 But you see the end. 0.97

02:25:20.000 If you see the end of the video, they get a close-up of Sean's face and it He looks like the elephant man.

02:25:25.000 Yeah, we have all that old footage.

02:25:27.000 We own that footage.

02:25:28.000 Yeah, we own the copyright.

02:25:29.000 How good is the footage?

02:25:30.000 I think it's better than the webcam stuff because they had at least camcorders back then.

02:25:36.000 Look at his face.

02:25:37.000 When they're doing a 30 count and Kimbo's down, they gave him a 30 count and eventually Kimbo just could not get up.

02:25:43.000 But look at his face.

02:25:44.000 And the first two times, his friends just picked him up and made him keep fighting.

02:25:47.000 He never got up from his own free will.

02:25:49.000 Yeah.

02:25:50.000 Sean just got up again.

02:25:53.000 He got up again.

02:25:54.000 He's up and Sean punched him again after that.

02:26:00.000 It's so crazy.

02:26:02.000 Someone easily could have died in that fight.

02:26:04.000 Part of the rules were the winners got the footage.

02:26:09.000 So there were like six guys with cameras.

02:26:11.000 And so, like, I see Mike and those guys, they all had their own cameras, and Sean won, and were like, hand over the tapes.

02:26:18.000 So there's all this, we like, we figured they just taped the fights, but there's all this footage of them driving up, flying in their jet, flying in their jet, going to the hotel, and like, you know, we're gonna kill this, I probably can't use their language here.

02:26:31.000 Yeah, you can.

02:26:32.000 Alright, you know, come on, let's kill this guy, we're going, like, they're in like Rhode Island, in like, the bad part of Rhode Island. 0.98

02:26:38.000 It's hilarious. 0.97

02:26:39.000 I think I still have it somewhere.

02:26:40.000 Look at his face there. 1.00

02:26:41.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:26:41.000 I think it's still on that old computer I have in my basement somewhere. 1.00

02:26:44.000 So, Sean before this fight and then Sean after the fight, what was the difference?

02:26:49.000 Totally different.

02:26:50.000 He was, like, I don't think he was ever, like, super smart, but he was a coherent, smart guy.

02:26:54.000 And I remember seeing him, like, a month later, and I was like, this guy has brain damage.

02:26:59.000 Like, he's, like, not right anymore.

02:27:01.000 Just, like, had, like, this weird look to his face all the time.

02:27:04.000 Did he get fired from that fight?

02:27:06.000 No.

02:27:06.000 Because of that fight?

02:27:07.000 He did get...

02:27:08.000 Discipline bad.

02:27:09.000 He's still a cop now.

02:27:11.000 Because that picture was on the front page of the Herald.

02:27:13.000 Saying cop on the beat.

02:27:15.000 It was just sort of when they considered it a bad publicity thing.

02:27:18.000 The police union got behind him and he stayed on the force.

02:27:23.000 Well, it's just sparring.

02:27:25.000 It's what it was.

02:27:26.000 It's what it was.

02:27:26.000 It was a sparring match.

02:27:28.000 I think he's still on the force today.

02:27:30.000 I haven't talked to him in about six months, but we didn't talk about work last time I saw him.

02:27:34.000 Scroll up to that picture of the dude's eye right below that.

02:27:37.000 Look at that.

02:27:37.000 That's the dude that Kimbo fought.

02:27:39.000 What the fuck is going on with his eye? 0.99

02:27:42.000 His eyeball is out. 0.99

02:27:43.000 It's not in the right place.

02:27:44.000 Is that what it is?

02:27:45.000 Or is it just swelling?

02:27:47.000 I don't know what that is.

02:27:48.000 That might not even be real.

02:27:49.000 That might be Photoshop.

02:27:50.000 But it certainly looks like his eyeball is missing.

02:27:53.000 And the way Kimbo was built back then, too.

02:27:55.000 He was built so much different than he is now.

02:27:58.000 Like, look at that picture right there, the Elite XC picture right below it where he's got his arms up in the air, Jamie.

02:28:03.000 Click on that.

02:28:03.000 Like, he was swole.

02:28:05.000 Yeah.

02:28:06.000 And you see him now when he fought Ken Shamrock the other day.

02:28:09.000 It just didn't look the same.

02:28:10.000 He just looks like a completely different guy.

02:28:13.000 That's the old Ken Shamrock one from the one Ken backed out of, and then he wound up fighting Seth Petruzzelli.

02:28:21.000 Yeah, that's the old one, I'm pretty sure, because Ken looks younger there too.

02:28:25.000 Ken already looks fairly old there, but Ken backed out of the fight like last minute, and then he fought Seth Petruzzelli, and I knew that that was deep water for him.

02:28:37.000 I was like, yeah, you can't fight that guy.

02:28:41.000 But look how good Ken looked there for a guy who's 51. That was a super disappointing fight, though.

02:28:49.000 Everybody thought that was a work, but I do not at all.

02:28:53.000 I'm very confident it was age.

02:28:54.000 I just think it was two 50-year-old guys fighting each other, and it's just not going to look like the best athletic competition.

02:29:00.000 I just couldn't believe that Ken couldn't finish that rear naked choke.

02:29:03.000 I thought that.

02:29:04.000 Bring up a video of Ken from 20 years ago.

02:29:06.000 He does the same style.

02:29:07.000 He does the same thing.

02:29:08.000 He cuts the top of the head.

02:29:09.000 He doesn't come behind the neck.

02:29:10.000 He did the same style of choke.

02:29:12.000 And 20 years ago, guys didn't know what to do, so they tapped to it.

02:29:15.000 Yeah, there it is right there.

02:29:16.000 You can see the picture of him with Kimbo.

02:29:19.000 But Kimball's not even defending. 0.98

02:29:21.000 I mean, he's not even grabbing the fucking... 0.98

02:29:23.000 I just couldn't imagine that Ken couldn't finish that. 0.98

02:29:26.000 That doesn't make any sense to me.

02:29:28.000 I mean, it might not be a word. 0.99

02:29:29.000 I said it looked fake as fuck, because it did kind of look fake as fuck. 0.99

02:29:32.000 But one of the things that might have made it look fake as fuck, because it was a 51-year-old man who has fought combat sports for 20-plus years, and his body just is not capable anymore. 0.99

02:29:42.000 I mean, anybody like Luke Rockhold gets your neck like that? 1.00

02:29:44.000 Good night, bitch. 1.00

02:29:45.000 It's over there. 1.00

02:29:45.000 You're going to sleep. 1.00

02:29:47.000 You know, just a fact.

02:29:48.000 But just to see Ken not be able to finish a perfectly placed rear naked choke, hand on the bicep, you know, anybody who's really good at jiu-jitsu is going to finish that.

02:29:59.000 It just doesn't make any sense.

02:30:02.000 Or even not that great at jujitsu.

02:30:04.000 Yeah, I mean, a purple belt.

02:30:05.000 A good purple belt.

02:30:07.000 But it's sad that a guy like Ken, you know, is in this position in his life.

02:30:11.000 You know, he's a legend in this sport.

02:30:14.000 You know, you think about a guy like Arnold Palmer. 0.98

02:30:16.000 He never has to fucking work again. 0.98

02:30:18.000 You know, you look at a legend in baseball. 0.99

02:30:21.000 Those guys don't have to work.

02:30:22.000 Yeah, they never have to work again. 0.99

02:30:23.000 You look at a legend like Ken Shamrock, he just missed the fucking money. 0.98

02:30:27.000 Combat sports are all like that, though. 0.98

02:30:29.000 I mean, look at Mike Tyson made $300 million.

02:30:32.000 Doesn't have 300 million dollars now.

02:30:34.000 But that's because he pissed it all away.

02:30:35.000 Ken Shamrock didn't make 300 million dollars.

02:30:37.000 They weren't paying guys 10 million dollars a fight when Ken Shamrock was good.

02:30:41.000 No.

02:30:41.000 Like the guys like the GSP are making now.

02:30:43.000 He didn't have that opportunity.

02:30:45.000 I wonder what the most anybody's ever made for an MMA fight is.

02:30:48.000 It would have to be in the UFC. It would have to be a cut of a pay-per-view in the UFC. Probably four or five million for GSP. I think more than that.

02:30:56.000 You think more than five?

02:30:58.000 The rumor is that McGregor made four or five million. 0.97

02:31:01.000 Well, I'm sure he had a piece of the pay-per-view and he fucking deserved it. 0.95

02:31:04.000 If anybody deserved a piece of the pay-per-view, it's McGregor. 0.97

02:31:06.000 We were just talking about that in the car yesterday.

02:31:08.000 Without him, that car would have done...

02:31:10.000 400,000, 500,000 buys instead of a million.

02:31:13.000 You know what impressed me almost as much as his performance in the fight itself was the Irish people.

02:31:18.000 I just couldn't believe.

02:31:20.000 I mean, I said that when I did the post-fight interview.

02:31:23.000 I'm like, these people are incredible.

02:31:24.000 It's humbling.

02:31:25.000 They flew all the way over there from Ireland to watch their guy fight. 0.99

02:31:29.000 If you had a fucking American fight in Ireland, good luck getting ten people to get on a plane to fly to America. 0.99

02:31:36.000 Brother, sister, and cousin. 0.99

02:31:37.000 It's just not the same.

02:31:39.000 And somebody was like, yeah, it's because they don't have anything.

02:31:42.000 So what?

02:31:43.000 So what?

02:31:43.000 You don't think it's impressive that they have so much patriotism and so much love for their countrymen that they planned way in advance.

02:31:52.000 Those tickets sold out in the blink of an eye.

02:31:55.000 And thousands of those 15,000 people, thousands, like 40% came from Europe.

02:32:03.000 And it's not like a rock concert, where if it's a Stones concert, you know it's going to be a phenomenal concert.

02:32:07.000 Half the people lose every fight.

02:32:09.000 And they could have flown all that, spent all their money, and he might have lost.

02:32:13.000 Like Ricky Hatton when he fought Mayweather.

02:32:15.000 Remember they were singing all those Ricky Hatton songs right before Mayweather put him to sleep?

02:32:22.000 Here we go, Vicky Hatton! 0.71

02:32:24.000 Or the fight could have sucked. 0.98

02:32:26.000 It could have been five minutes of a boring, sucky fight. 0.99

02:32:29.000 It could have been.

02:32:30.000 It could have been, but they were willing to take the chance, and then they won.

02:32:33.000 He won, and they won with them.

02:32:35.000 I'm telling you, man, you never see celebration like that.

02:32:37.000 I had to run from place to place just to keep him getting accosted by Irish people that try to drag you into drinking. 1.00

02:32:43.000 My brother was out there, and he said it was awesome to see. 0.96

02:32:45.000 Everywhere he walked, there were crazy Irish guys. 1.00

02:32:48.000 They were so pumped up and amped up. 0.90

02:32:49.000 And they were singing.

02:32:52.000 I was leaving for my flight at like 7.30 in the morning and these guys were stumbling in, still singing. 0.95

02:32:59.000 7.30, fucked up, probably just getting home from the Spearmint Rhino. 0.99

02:33:05.000 Hammered. 0.99

02:33:05.000 This is amazing. 0.99

02:33:07.000 It's like it moved me because I've been there before when a lot of Brazilians had shown up to maybe see Anderson fight or something along those lines But the level of patriotism that the Irish had was on a completely different scale It was just it was another level like several notches crazier That's why I like I mean For me personally, 0.56

02:33:28.000 my favorite shows are just the little amateur ones when I'm actually coaching or somebody that I've helped train or something.

02:33:35.000 Because the more of a connection you have with a person, the deeper the fight becomes.

02:33:40.000 And I think with those Irishmen, they're so tight as a nation that when he's in there, they feel like they're right in there with him.

02:33:48.000 And that must make the experience transcendental.

02:33:52.000 Look at that photo. 1.00

02:33:54.000 Jesus fucking Christ, that's a crazy photo. 1.00

02:33:57.000 Look at that shit. 1.00

02:33:59.000 11,000 people were at the weigh-in to watch guys take off their clothes and sand in their underwear. 1.00

02:34:04.000 It's insane.

02:34:05.000 And the roars, the roars that those people were cheering, screaming when he got on that scale.

02:34:10.000 There's nothing like it.

02:34:12.000 There's no one like him.

02:34:13.000 I mean, Ronda Rousey is the other biggest star in MMA at this point.

02:34:17.000 You know, everybody talks about who's the biggest star in MMA. I love Ronda Rousey.

02:34:21.000 I think she's a one-of-a-kind.

02:34:22.000 I don't think there's anybody that's ever been like her.

02:34:24.000 I think she's spectacular. 0.99

02:34:26.000 But she does not have nearly the appeal this motherfucker does. 1.00

02:34:30.000 It's not even close. 0.99

02:34:31.000 How many Americans are flying to Brazil to watch her fight next week? 1.00

02:34:34.000 Me?

02:34:35.000 Joe?

02:34:36.000 I'm kidding.

02:34:37.000 It's my job.

02:34:38.000 But I am very, very, very curious.

02:34:41.000 I'm going not just because it's my job, but I'm very curious to see how they're going to treat her in Brazil, whether or not this Betch Coheia chick has that kind of love and respect, whether they think she has a chance, what kind of crowd's going to show up, what is it going to be like if Ronda beats her. 0.92

02:34:59.000 When Rhonda beats her, should I say? 1.00

02:35:01.000 Anything can happen.

02:35:03.000 Anything can happen.

02:35:04.000 I learned that in the late 90s, or it could have been, yeah, it was the late 90s.

02:35:10.000 Pat Miletic fought Dan Severn, and I got the tape afterwards from Monty, who promoted it, and they're doing the pre-fight interview, and they say, Pat, what do you think is going to happen?

02:35:20.000 And Pat goes, I don't know what's going to happen.

02:35:22.000 That's why we're having the fight.

02:35:23.000 And he was fighting a guy who was 100 pounds heavier than him.

02:35:26.000 And I think it ended up being a draw because nobody tapped anybody.

02:35:29.000 But Pat, Pat really did win that fight.

02:35:31.000 And ever since then, I've been like, you don't know what's going to happen.

02:35:34.000 That's why you have the fight.

02:35:36.000 I mean, yeah, fights are crazy.

02:35:38.000 You throw bones at people, you zig when you should have zagged, and BOOM! Pretty sure we were all thinking when Anderson Silva beats Chris Weidman, what's next?

02:35:46.000 I didn't think that.

02:35:47.000 No?

02:35:47.000 No, I didn't think that.

02:35:49.000 I did.

02:35:49.000 I did not think that.

02:35:51.000 No.

02:35:51.000 I was saying, I mean, I wasn't lying when I did that pre-fight thing.

02:35:54.000 I'm like, this guy's different.

02:35:56.000 He's a special kind of a destroyer. 0.98

02:35:59.000 There's something about Weidman, he's so fucking strong. 0.97

02:36:01.000 What is that something? 0.98

02:36:02.000 Because the three of us were talking about it in the car yesterday.

02:36:05.000 What is it with Weidman?

02:36:06.000 Some guys have it, some guys don't. 0.99

02:36:08.000 It's like, what is it that makes a guy that fucking good? 0.96

02:36:11.000 I don't know what it is. 0.96

02:36:12.000 There's intangible qualities that some people possess.

02:36:16.000 He's born that way?

02:36:17.000 He's born with it?

02:36:18.000 Well, it's all of the above what we talked about.

02:36:20.000 His dad was, you know, a football player. 1.00

02:36:22.000 His fucking brother beat the shit out of him. 1.00

02:36:24.000 All that stuff, I'm sure, has an effect on his mental state and his resolve. 1.00

02:36:29.000 He has unflappable will, unflappable resolve.

02:36:33.000 Like, he's just got this iron will.

02:36:35.000 And you just sense it when you look at him.

02:36:36.000 You sense it when you see him fight. 1.00

02:36:38.000 You gotta beat that fucking guy. 1.00

02:36:40.000 He's not beating himself. 1.00

02:36:41.000 And he's skillful.

02:36:42.000 He's very good.

02:36:43.000 Very well prepared. 1.00

02:36:45.000 Tough as shit. 1.00

02:36:45.000 Can knock guys out. 1.00

02:36:47.000 Can knock guys out with their hands.

02:36:48.000 You ever see him fight Uriah Hall in Ring of Fire?

02:36:50.000 Yeah.

02:36:51.000 Yeah, he caught Uriah Hall with his long left hook.

02:36:54.000 Boom! 0.99

02:36:55.000 And put him away.

02:36:56.000 Standing.

02:36:56.000 I mean, he puts guys away standing.

02:36:58.000 Puts Mark Munoz away with that fucking brutal elbow. 0.99

02:37:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:37:02.000 He's no joke, man. 0.97

02:37:03.000 He's an animal.

02:37:04.000 You know, and now as a middleweight champion, what's fascinating right now is now that he's passed Vitor, which is sort of a mandatory fight, there are so many good fights there.

02:37:13.000 There's Jacare, Yoel Romero, Luke Rockhold. 0.99

02:37:17.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

02:37:18.000 It's a murderous row lining up for him. 1.00

02:37:20.000 Oh, God.

02:37:21.000 You know?

02:37:22.000 I mean, and the way Rockhold beat down Machida. 1.00

02:37:25.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:37:26.000 And then the Ray Romero did the same goddamn thing. 1.00

02:37:29.000 He beat him down, too. 0.98

02:37:30.000 It's like the contenders are rising to the top.

02:37:33.000 They're clearly being established.

02:37:35.000 And Jacare, I mean, you want to talk about world-class jiu-jitsu. 0.72

02:37:39.000 That guy's insane. 0.96

02:37:41.000 He's insane. 1.00

02:37:42.000 He's so fucking good and so strong. 0.98

02:37:46.000 It's the 205 division, I felt like, five years ago or four years ago or something was kind of like that. 0.97

02:37:51.000 You had Jon Jones on top and everybody else in the top ten was a killer, but it's definitely 185 right now.

02:37:56.000 205 is actually pretty weak right now, that division, right?

02:37:58.000 Well, you know, Jones...

02:38:00.000 Relatively.

02:38:00.000 Hopefully Jones comes back eventually, gets his life in order, comes back.

02:38:05.000 That situation is so sad.

02:38:07.000 And you're not hearing anything from Jon.

02:38:09.000 You know, I'm sure he's got all sorts of legal problems and issues.

02:38:11.000 Which is good. 0.99

02:38:11.000 He should stay out of the media and just take care of his shit right now, which he needs to do. 0.99

02:38:15.000 Stay, you know, clear his mind and his life and make restitution and do whatever he's got to do and hopefully he'll be back again. 0.97

02:38:23.000 But you want to talk about talent.

02:38:25.000 Hopefully, man.

02:38:27.000 I want to see him back. 0.99

02:38:28.000 Like, get this shit together and come back and just be on top again. 0.99

02:38:31.000 Because that guy was incredibly talented. 0.99

02:38:35.000 I watched all his fights, because he grew up fighting in Massachusetts, because New York, they couldn't fight.

02:38:40.000 So all his fights were in Massachusetts.

02:38:42.000 And I saw that kid fight like three times.

02:38:43.000 Like, this kid's got it.

02:38:44.000 Like, this kid's going somewhere.

02:38:46.000 He fought six times in three months.

02:38:49.000 Did he really fight that many times?

02:38:50.000 Three months.

02:38:51.000 Six times.

02:38:52.000 Three weekends in a row once.

02:38:53.000 And then took a last minute fight in the UFC. Wow.

02:38:57.000 Yeah.

02:38:57.000 It was incredible.

02:38:58.000 Wow.

02:38:58.000 My first experience was I was cornering somebody at a show in Massachusetts, and Chris, I think my guy lost.

02:39:04.000 I'm just kind of sitting there, arm around him, giving him water or whatever, and Chris goes, there's this new guy, and he's had to suffice, and it's only in five seconds.

02:39:12.000 Come here!

02:39:12.000 And so he grabs me, and we go running up to the cage, and it was over.

02:39:15.000 The fight had ended in 19 seconds, and I know the guy who fought, and the guy who fought is, like, tough and got crushed by him, and Chris just said, this guy is going to be the next one.

02:39:26.000 Wow.

02:39:27.000 That's amazing. 1.00

02:39:29.000 He's a murderer. 0.99

02:39:31.000 I'm so lucky he never fought Tom. 0.99

02:39:32.000 He was supposed to fight Tom Lawler for the local title.

02:39:36.000 Really?

02:39:37.000 Yeah, because Tom Lawler fought in Massachusetts.

02:39:38.000 He's a Massachusetts guy, originally.

02:39:40.000 And they're supposed to fight for the title.

02:39:42.000 I had set it all up for Tom.

02:39:43.000 And I'm like, oh, he looks good, but Tom, you can fight him.

02:39:46.000 And a week later, the UFC called Jon Jones, and I'm like, thank God that fight never happened.

02:39:51.000 Or Tom might have never had a UFC career.

02:39:53.000 I mean, not to say he would have lost for sure, but it was a tough fight to take.

02:39:58.000 Let's just say it.

02:39:58.000 He would have lost for sure.

02:40:00.000 What are you doing?

02:40:01.000 What are you, lying to people?

02:40:05.000 Anything can happen.

02:40:05.000 Anything can happen in the fight, and Tom hits hard, so...

02:40:08.000 Yes, he does.

02:40:09.000 Most people thought he was going to lose this fight last weekend.

02:40:12.000 It was a tough fight for him for sure.

02:40:14.000 He was getting beat up and he had taken 27 months off.

02:40:18.000 Ring rust is real.

02:40:19.000 Why did he take so much time off? 0.99

02:40:21.000 So I cornered him, this is funny, I cornered him in the Michael Kuiper fight in Sweden and we walk in after the first round and he looks at us and he's like, I think I blew my fucking knee. 0.96

02:40:30.000 And I'm just like, what do you mean you blew my knee? 0.74

02:40:33.000 And so the other corner, his jiu-jitsu coach is like, you should sit down.

02:40:37.000 He's like, I can't, I won't be able to get back up.

02:40:40.000 Whoa.

02:40:41.000 And we're like, all right.

02:40:42.000 He's like, what should I do?

02:40:42.000 Should we not fight?

02:40:43.000 I'm like, do you want to fight?

02:40:45.000 He's like, yeah.

02:40:45.000 So go out there and stand up.

02:40:47.000 And he guillotines the guy in the second round, chokes him unconscious.

02:40:51.000 And he tore his ACL, completely blew his ACL. Wow.

02:40:55.000 And so he recovered for like a year and then blew his meniscus in the same knee.

02:40:59.000 And so then another six month recovery, and then he had to book a fight and get back in shape.

02:41:04.000 It's just injury after injury on the same knee.

02:41:07.000 What do guys do?

02:41:08.000 I've always wondered.

02:41:09.000 What does a guy like Tom Lawler, who doesn't make that much money, what do they do for money when that happens?

02:41:14.000 Well, Tom's made some good money in the UFC that he could sit on.

02:41:16.000 And Tom's filthy.

02:41:18.000 He doesn't need nice things.

02:41:21.000 So he won a bonus at UFC 100, which was $100,000.

02:41:25.000 Oh, okay.

02:41:26.000 And he went and bought a condo in Providence, which wasn't expensive, like bought it straight out.

02:41:31.000 In Rhode Island?

02:41:32.000 Yeah, he's from that area, like Swansea, Somerset.

02:41:35.000 Did he live there?

02:41:35.000 No, he did.

02:41:36.000 He lived there for years, because he used to, that's where he grew up, like Swansea, Somerset area.

02:41:41.000 And he liked Rhode Island, because everything's a small city, everything's close.

02:41:44.000 He lived in the nastiest condo you've ever been in.

02:41:47.000 It was like cat piss everywhere and like just like smell the you know everything it was terrible but you know he doesn't need all the money so for him like a hundred thousand dollars is like five years of living because he doesn't need you know nice amenities nice things and he just teach jujitsu here and there and do seminars and I don't think he's worked a regular job since since after before fighting he was like a high school history teacher for a while And then just get into fighting and that's it.

02:42:18.000 Wow.

02:42:18.000 He just figured out a way to survive on not having a lot.

02:42:22.000 It's a hard world out there for guys who are like the lower level guys that are trying to make it.

02:42:26.000 It's a very, very hard world.

02:42:28.000 It's very, very difficult for those guys to make enough money to actually get by.

02:42:32.000 It's terrible.

02:42:33.000 I have a guy that fights in the UFC now that went back to having a real job full-time.

02:42:37.000 Still fights, but has a job.

02:42:39.000 He's a corrections officer.

02:42:41.000 Who's that?

02:42:41.000 Joe Proctor.

02:42:42.000 He has a full-time job now?

02:42:44.000 He's six fights into his UFC career and has a full-time job watching inmates at Plymouth County.

02:42:50.000 That's crazy. 0.98

02:42:51.000 That's a suck job too, by the way. 0.99

02:42:54.000 I had a training partner that did that. 1.00

02:42:55.000 He'd have horror fucking stories about people throwing shit on him. 1.00

02:42:59.000 Oh yeah, they do that. 1.00

02:43:00.000 They throw shit at you. 1.00

02:43:02.000 There was a guy who used to help out from Massachusetts. 1.00

02:43:05.000 He was actually from Connecticut.

02:43:06.000 And he was a good fighter.

02:43:08.000 I think he probably had UFC potential.

02:43:11.000 And then he decided, the future's not for me.

02:43:14.000 And so he told me, you know...

02:43:16.000 I got sort of bad news.

02:43:17.000 I'm going to go to law school instead of fighting.

02:43:19.000 I was like, hallelujah!

02:43:22.000 That's awesome!

02:43:23.000 What do you do when a guy's going through your gym and he wants to fight and you know he's got no shot?

02:43:28.000 Do you just say, look, you got to figure this out for yourself?

02:43:31.000 Like, you got a guy who's uncoordinated and, you know, not tough...

02:43:37.000 But for whatever reason decides to fight.

02:43:40.000 Tell them it's not for them.

02:43:41.000 You tell them.

02:43:42.000 Straight up tell them you can't fight from here.

02:43:44.000 I said there's unscrupulous promoters that are looking for sharks versus fish.

02:43:47.000 I explained the whole deal to them, how the sport works at the low level.

02:43:51.000 There's big ticket sellers that are going to sell 200 tickets at...

02:43:54.000 $50 each, $35 each, and the promoter is always looking for some fish to feed to the shark so that the guy will have 200 friends show up and win.

02:44:04.000 You can get a fight.

02:44:06.000 There's a million unscrupulous promoters in this state that will give you a fight, but it's not good for you.

02:44:11.000 It's a dangerous sport, so you can't fight out of here.

02:44:16.000 And sometimes they keep going, but not usually.

02:44:19.000 Because it's not the type of sport where you can be nice to people.

02:44:24.000 It's too important.

02:44:25.000 You know, if you tell a girl she's pretty and she's not or something, there's no bad consequences. 0.58

02:44:30.000 But if you let somebody think they have a chance of fighting, and really they're not very good, they can get a scrambled brain.

02:44:35.000 A lot of people don't do that, man.

02:44:37.000 A lot of people just let them figure it out for themselves.

02:44:39.000 Yeah.

02:44:39.000 I see it in other gyms.

02:44:40.000 Our gym, if we don't think you're ready to fight, you don't fight.

02:44:43.000 And guys will leave.

02:44:44.000 They'll go to the Taekwondo school that lets them fight MMA with no experience, and then you just see them get killed because they're just not prepared.

02:44:52.000 Guys that come to our gym don't fight for years.

02:44:54.000 Even amateurs, they come in and they learn everything.

02:44:57.000 They learn how to wrestle, jujitsu, kickbox.

02:44:59.000 And then maybe if you think they're ready, you take a fight.

02:45:02.000 What's your gym, so people are listening?

02:45:04.000 Lowe's on MMA, back in Massachusetts.

02:45:06.000 L-A-U-Z-O-N, right? 0.88

02:45:08.000 Yes.

02:45:09.000 Lowe's on MMA. We've got to wrap this up.

02:45:11.000 Anything else you want to say?

02:45:12.000 Mixmartialarts.com, the website. 0.99

02:45:15.000 Fuck the OG. Fuck the OG? I thought it was... 1.00

02:45:18.000 Fuck the U-G, I got that side. 1.00

02:45:20.000 Fuck the U-G? Fuck them both. 1.00

02:45:22.000 Okay. 1.00

02:45:23.000 Well, you guys...

02:45:26.000 Seriously though, best mixed martial arts website in the world.

02:45:30.000 You guys are always on top of the news.

02:45:32.000 You always misspell people's names.

02:45:33.000 It's great.

02:45:34.000 You misquote me almost every time.

02:45:36.000 Every day. 0.99

02:45:38.000 I still post all the fucking time. 0.99

02:45:41.000 I'm one of the last of the Mohicans. 0.99

02:45:42.000 I'm still in there getting shit on. 1.00

02:45:44.000 Called a fag and whatever they want to call me. 1.00

02:45:46.000 Dick Ryder. 1.00

02:45:48.000 No matter what, you're going to get shit on. 0.99

02:45:51.000 I think overall, I look at it the opposite way. 0.99

02:45:53.000 I'm an optimist.

02:45:55.000 I think it's like 10% douchebags, 90% cool people.

02:45:59.000 Maybe. 0.94

02:46:01.000 But either way, you guys have fucking made it through the storm that was the beginning of MMA, and I think this website was an integral part of keeping the core fan base alive.

02:46:11.000 So, Kierik, thank you very much for everything that you've done. 0.58

02:46:14.000 I really, really appreciate it.

02:46:15.000 It gave me a place to waste a lot of fucking time and talk a lot of shit about all kinds of different fights and read a lot of cool information and news. 0.97

02:46:23.000 And whenever anybody's hurt or breaking news, I always find out about it on the underground. 0.97

02:46:28.000 Imagine if you tracked the hours you spent on, like how much would that be of your life? 0.99

02:46:32.000 I was one of the first 400, so shit. 0.99

02:46:36.000 It would be a lot. 1.00

02:46:38.000 15, 17 years?

02:46:39.000 A couple hours a day, maybe? 1.00

02:46:41.000 A lot of goddamn wasted time. 0.99

02:46:43.000 But thank you. 0.99

02:46:44.000 I don't want to be an ass kiss, but I will be.

02:46:47.000 As I've told these guys before, when there's a UFC that you're not on, to me, and again, I don't want to sound like an ass kiss, but it's just what I've said, not in front of you, but to these guys previously, it doesn't feel like a UFC without you there. 0.86

02:46:59.000 The weigh-ins aren't just, it's just not the same.

02:47:02.000 So thanks to you for making the UFC the UFC for me.

02:47:07.000 Well, thank you very much, man.

02:47:08.000 I appreciate it.

02:47:09.000 All right.

02:47:10.000 MixMartialArts.com.

02:47:10.000 Go check it out.

02:47:12.000 And love the UG. Love the OG. Take it easy, everybody.

02:47:17.000 Cheers.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 28, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #675 - Kirik Jenness & Chris Palmquist

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