The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #702 - Milo Yiannopoulos

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00:06:04.000 My guest today is a fascinating character.

00:06:08.000 A very, very unusual cat.

00:06:12.000 Very good writer.

00:06:13.000 His name is Milo.

00:06:16.000 I hope I'm saying this right.

00:06:17.000 Ioannopoulos.

00:06:18.000 He's known as Nero on Twitter.

00:06:21.000 That is his handle.

00:06:22.000 He writes for Breitbart.

00:06:24.000 Writes some really great stories.

00:06:26.000 He's a funny dude.

00:06:28.000 He's very unusual.

00:06:30.000 And he was a fun guest.

00:06:33.000 We had a lot of good time.

00:06:34.000 He talks a lot.

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00:06:36.000 I think he's on speed.

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00:06:40.000 Without any further ado, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Milo Iiannopoulos.

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00:06:56.000 Milo's only been here for five minutes.

00:06:58.000 We've already discussed cocaine, radical feminism, radical progressives that want to take over the world, prescription drugs, tight shirts.

00:07:08.000 We've gone the full gamut.

00:07:10.000 We really have.

00:07:10.000 We have.

00:07:11.000 And it's fresh.

00:07:12.000 It's young and fresh.

00:07:14.000 We've already gone the full gamut.

00:07:16.000 I found out about you.

00:07:18.000 I guess it was somebody just, I get a lot of interesting stuff tweeted at me.

00:07:23.000 And I read one of your Breitbar pieces.

00:07:25.000 And I was like, check this motherfucker out.

00:07:28.000 And then I found out that you're gay and you're a part of this gamer gate, but you were on the side of the people that were not the ultra progressives. 0.97

00:07:41.000 And then you were in these debates against these radical feminism chicks and shutting them down. 1.00

00:07:47.000 And I was like, you were very kind about me.

00:07:49.000 You've played some videos.

00:07:50.000 Look at this motherfucker. 0.95

00:07:51.000 You're a unicorn.

00:07:53.000 They don't like people like you.

00:07:54.000 I'm not supposed to exist.

00:07:56.000 According to the progressive rules of the universe, I should not be.

00:07:58.000 Yeah, you're not supposed to be fairly buttoned down and conservative and fair.

00:08:04.000 Well, also factually correct.

00:08:08.000 Like all the stuff that you, the thing that I'd seen, you gotten in this argument about why certain women gravitate towards certain jobs and men gravitate towards jobs.

00:08:18.000 And this idea that a lot of this is just cultural.

00:08:21.000 A lot of this is something that we're pushing upon young men and not young women.

00:08:25.000 And you were like, well, this isn't the case at all.

00:08:27.000 It isn't.

00:08:28.000 But it's hilarious to watch someone confronted by, like, they expect that to come from a me.

00:08:36.000 They expect it to come from some me headlining.

00:08:38.000 I feel like I ought to be supporting them.

00:08:40.000 Exactly.

00:08:42.000 And on paper.

00:08:43.000 On paper, I should.

00:08:44.000 You know, I'm a metropolitan.

00:08:46.000 Under other circumstances, I would be a liberal.

00:08:47.000 I'm a homosexual.

00:08:49.000 I listen, I like pop culture, you know, all of those things.

00:08:52.000 I shouldn't really exist, but I do, unfortunately for them.

00:08:55.000 One-tenth of your tweets are about how fabulous your hair is?

00:08:58.000 Yes, or black dick, you know, one of those things. 1.00

00:09:01.000 Any of those subjects, you know, it's hair or, you know, the men that I'm into.

00:09:05.000 It's very, very difficult for them to beat me for one simple reason, which is they've never been questioned.

00:09:09.000 They've never been called on any of this stuff by anybody serious or anybody who doesn't conform to the progressive rules of identity politics.

00:09:17.000 So when they come for me, their usual response from a feminist to anybody bringing facts or a serious counter-argument is simply to dismiss them as a sexist or a bigot or a misogynist.

00:09:28.000 It's really tough to make that allegation against me.

00:09:30.000 I love women. 1.00

00:09:31.000 All my friends are women. 1.00

00:09:33.000 I don't have a dog in the fight, sexually speaking.

00:09:35.000 I don't care if, you know, I won't want to bang them whatever size they are, however they behave. 0.99

00:09:39.000 So they don't have that over me.

00:09:41.000 It's very, very difficult to come up against a guy that you cannot make a convincing argument of bigotry against.

00:09:47.000 So you have to argue on the facts.

00:09:48.000 And of course, the facts are on my side.

00:09:50.000 Well, that's what the deal is.

00:09:51.000 They can't dismiss you instantaneously because of what you represent.

00:09:56.000 Because what you represent.

00:09:57.000 They're like, well, look, we got the dirt on him.

00:10:01.000 He's gay and he's fabulous.

00:10:02.000 Shit.

00:10:03.000 What are we going to do?

00:10:06.000 Well, this is the first thing.

00:10:08.000 Once you start to hit the radar, you get calls from friends who say, so this person emailed me trying to check you out.

00:10:14.000 This happened to me about a year ago.

00:10:16.000 So I sort of hit, I've been a journalist for 10 years.

00:10:19.000 I've done some good stuff, broken some big stories, but I never really kind of crossed over entertainment into the mainstream.

00:10:23.000 It just started to happen about a year ago.

00:10:25.000 And I started to get emails from friends, and they were saying, so what's going on here?

00:10:28.000 People keep emailing me, asking me about you, like trying to ask, back in 2011, did he really do this?

00:10:35.000 And what I realized is when they recognise you as a threat, when they identify you as somebody who could do them damage, they start going on maneuvers, trying to find out everything about you, trying to find out what the worst stuff they have on you is so that they can dismiss you as a bigot or a sexist or a neo-Nazi or whatever they can come up with.

00:10:50.000 Anything they can grasp at.

00:10:51.000 Because their strategy is to dismiss the speaker by attacking the speaker's credibility, because that way they never have to even consider the merits of the argument.

00:11:00.000 They haven't been able to do that with me, which is why feminists now refuse to debate me on TV because they know they'll lose. 1.00

00:11:08.000 They can't bring out, they've got this battery of dismissal tactics that they've amassed over the last 30 years.

00:11:14.000 And they've got so complacent because they've never had a sassy gay person come up and say, you're talking bullshit and you're hurting men. 0.72

00:11:21.000 And here are the facts.

00:11:22.000 They've never had it before, so they've never built up an arsenal to fight it.

00:11:25.000 So this is why I win and why I'll keep winning because they don't really know how to deal with an argument on its own merits.

00:11:33.000 And in any case, of course, the facts are on our side.

00:11:35.000 Well, it's also this conversation that we're having right now is about war.

00:11:40.000 You're saying winning and losing, and they're taking tactics and strategies to look up dirt on the opposition.

00:11:46.000 They're treating this as an ideological war.

00:11:50.000 It's not a debate about the facts of the issue.

00:11:52.000 And I think that's part of it, because the left has always seen this as a war, and the gender warriors have always been warriors. 0.96

00:11:58.000 They've always seen this in strategic terms.

00:12:00.000 I'm not sure.

00:12:01.000 Conservatives are naturally more self-effacing.

00:12:03.000 Conservatives tend to be a little bit cool, a little bit more chill about things.

00:12:06.000 They kind of don't really want to get involved in the world.

00:12:07.000 Do you really believe that, though?

00:12:08.000 How do you explain Ted Cruz?

00:12:10.000 I think they get very angry about things.

00:12:11.000 How do you explain Ted Cruz?

00:12:13.000 Well, I'm not saying all conservatives.

00:12:14.000 How do you explain, what's her name?

00:12:16.000 The Palin check.

00:12:16.000 Sarah Palin.

00:12:17.000 How do you explain that?

00:12:18.000 These are the outliners that even Mike Huckabee.

00:12:21.000 Even most conservatives find these people a bit much.

00:12:22.000 Mike Huckabee, I think that guy's in.

00:12:24.000 Isn't he in?

00:12:25.000 Who knows?

00:12:26.000 He's so much fatter now.

00:12:27.000 He was hot when he ran last time.

00:12:29.000 I mean, you know, for that cushy TV gig.

00:12:29.000 Well, ish.

00:12:33.000 He got so fat.

00:12:34.000 He got so fat.

00:12:34.000 I can't vote for anyone that fat.

00:12:35.000 Not enough rock and rolling.

00:12:36.000 I want Marco Rubio just because he's hot.

00:12:39.000 If we can't have Trump, then I won't regret.

00:12:40.000 I don't think that, I think people are silly.

00:12:52.000 And they're not very good at looking at the momentum of their actions.

00:12:55.000 They just think that they're right because this is what they've been saying for so long.

00:12:59.000 And I think that's one of the most horrific things about these conversations that these women get in with you about because when they're talking about what they think are social constructs, things like gender identities and the way people be, and when you shatter that with the facts, they're looking for some other weapons and there's nothing there.

00:13:20.000 And you see it in their eyes, you know?

00:13:21.000 Right, because it's not really a debate about the idea itself.

00:13:24.000 It's just not.

00:13:25.000 What it's about is gender warfare. 1.00

00:13:25.000 What it's not. 1.00

00:13:27.000 That's why people like Christine Hofsomers call them gender warriors, because these aren't people who want any kind of social justice, as they say. 1.00

00:13:33.000 These are people who just hate men.

00:13:35.000 They hate men.

00:13:36.000 They want to hurt men. 0.92

00:13:37.000 They don't want equality for women. 0.99

00:13:39.000 They want superiority for women, whether it's architected into the education system or affirmative action or whatever it is. 1.00

00:13:46.000 They don't want equality.

00:13:47.000 They want superiority.

00:13:48.000 And fundamentally, a lot of this, these crazy extremist progressive third-wave feminists, today's version of feminism, it basically boils down to misandry. 1.00

00:13:56.000 And it takes a gay guy, because it's so dangerous for men to even broach this subject anymore. 0.94

00:14:00.000 And any man with a mainstream job puts that at risk by even talking on the subject, no matter what his opinion is.

00:14:05.000 It takes a gay guy to go on Sky News in the UK and say, I'm sorry, the facts are not on your side, and what you're doing is damaging to women. 0.99

00:14:11.000 It's, to me, really an indictment on debate in our public square that it is so dangerous for a man to even express an opinion on this subject that it takes a fag to go and stick up for heterosexuals. 1.00

00:14:26.000 I mean, you know, if other men could say this, they would be, but they can't because they risk their careers.

00:14:30.000 Feminists are always talking about silencing. 1.00

00:14:32.000 Many people I see silenced are men.

00:14:34.000 Well, that is true.

00:14:35.000 There's a lot of doxing and going after people and a lot of anger when it comes to all this stuff.

00:14:41.000 But I think what you have in many cases, when you see this kind of like disjointed, illogical sort of way of thinking, I think you have people that are assholes that find a cause that gives them the green light to be an asshole.

00:14:56.000 Well, I've written about this.

00:14:57.000 I agree with you.

00:14:58.000 I think no disrespect to any particular church, but I think it's reasonable to say 50 years ago, if you were a bully, if you were a sociopath, you wanted to take out on other people, you wanted to wreak harm on the world that you thought would hurt you, a reasonably good way of doing that would be to join the clergy.

00:15:12.000 And many people did.

00:15:13.000 And I think most of us who are religious, who have religious families, know stories like that.

00:15:17.000 These days, you're better off getting a job at Gawker.

00:15:20.000 If you want to bully somebody, if you really want to hurt them, if you have some sort of internal chaos or damage and you want to impose order on the world outside because you feel so confused and broken and messy, the best way to do it today is to become a social justice warrior.

00:15:31.000 Because not only do you get the same kind of status in society the clergy would have done 50 years ago, but you also get media platforms.

00:15:37.000 You get money.

00:15:38.000 You get approval.

00:15:38.000 You get applause.

00:15:39.000 And if you layer on these new tactics of fake abuse and fake harassment and these terrible men coming for me on the internet with stuff, you can make quite a lot of money too.

00:15:49.000 Yeah, you can form a Patreon page.

00:15:55.000 What is that?

00:15:56.000 It's like a crowdfund me for my ideas.

00:15:59.000 It's kind of like, so in the old days, you'd have patrons of the arts, and they would be a prince or some rich guy, or maybe a little later in history, it would be a mercantile patron, in the way that many industrialists and bankers still give a lot of money to their local opera house or something like that.

00:16:16.000 So Patreon is a way of turning that open into crowdfunding.

00:16:19.000 So your patron becomes a load of people, all of whom give you a little bit of money.

00:16:24.000 So it's, in theory, quite a respectable and interesting way of funding the arts.

00:16:31.000 In principle, there's nothing wrong with it, but it seems to become colonized by people who are raising money on the basis of sympathy rather than anything they actually create.

00:16:38.000 So what I've noticed in my reporting on this is the vast majority of people begging for money on Patreon, as far as I can tell, I'm sure Patreon will tell me most of the money on their platform goes to creative projects, but as far as I can tell, it's people bleating for sympathy, fishing for empathy.

00:16:56.000 There's a lot of women on there claiming to be, you know, claiming that their lives are being ruined by men. 1.00

00:17:00.000 You actually look into it.

00:17:01.000 I can't find the tweets they're talking about.

00:17:02.000 And it's a way for, I mean, there's this And I'm going to remember it wrongly, but it's something along the lines of, every day on the internet, some goony beard man promises to be nice to a social justice warrior in the hope of a wank or the hope of a blowjob or something like that.

00:17:23.000 And it's these guys who just sort of throw a fiver or throw a tenner a month, $20 a month to this video games developer who's never produced anything in her life, but claims she's getting harassed and claims she's getting threats.

00:17:32.000 It's a very, very weird psychological dynamic.

00:17:36.000 And I think it's quite...

00:17:47.000 And most of these women are not really to blame. 0.88

00:17:49.000 These aren't horrible sociopathic warmongers.

00:17:53.000 These aren't people who really hate men.

00:17:54.000 They're just a bit miserable.

00:17:55.000 And they've reached for the nearest victimhood script available to them because we live in a culture where victimhood is the most valuable currency that you can amass.

00:18:05.000 And so they go out, they advertise what a terrible life they have and how awful people are to them on the internet.

00:18:10.000 And they ask men, mainly it's women asking for money from men, effectively for sympathy dollars. 0.64

00:18:17.000 It's incredibly demeaning.

00:18:18.000 It's incredibly to the human spirit, aside from anything else.

00:18:22.000 You're basically telling these women that they have more value as whingers and liars and gender warriors than they do as creators or mothers. 1.00

00:18:32.000 I find that hugely destructive.

00:18:34.000 I think that what we're talking about as far as people that are assholes that just latch on to a cause.

00:18:42.000 And then that if you go to their page, there's so many of them that write blogs and you go to their blog and their blog is just an attack blog.

00:18:49.000 It's just consistent attacks on people that don't share their ideas or have differing ideas.

00:18:55.000 I've coined a term for this.

00:18:56.000 What is it?

00:18:57.000 I've coined a term for this quantum superstate feminism. 1.00

00:19:00.000 And it is feminism that exists at once as aggressor and victim. 1.00

00:19:05.000 It is simultaneously and at all times aggressor and victim.

00:19:08.000 And it describes these women who go out lobbing shit at people and then instantly turn into damsels in distress when they see their own language returned in kind. 0.91

00:19:18.000 Quite often returned at greater volume because what they're saying is ridiculous and offensive and people get annoyed about it, perfectly reasonably.

00:19:24.000 And also if you create an environment in which it's fine to say anything you want about men, it's fine to say kill all white men. 0.66

00:19:29.000 It's fine to publish articles in mainstream new media publications about how to hurt men and all the rest of it.

00:19:35.000 Sort of stuff the Jezebel hooks.

00:19:36.000 Who is the woman recently, the Google Ideas woman that had that tweet about she eats men for breakfast? 1.00

00:19:42.000 I think you're talking about Randy Hoffer.

00:19:44.000 Do you imagine if a guy wrote that down, I eat women for breakfast? 1.00

00:19:48.000 Well, do you know some men do speak to women like that?

00:19:50.000 Like some of the men's rights activists. 0.77

00:19:52.000 On Twitter?

00:19:53.000 Well, yes, but do you know why men's rights activists are so rude to women?

00:19:57.000 Because they're assholes.

00:19:58.000 Well, no.

00:19:59.000 What they're doing is, you know, women have for 30 years said, treat us like men. 1.00

00:20:04.000 We're just like men.

00:20:05.000 We're just the same.

00:20:06.000 Treat us like men.

00:20:08.000 We can do everything that men can do.

00:20:10.000 You can do everything that men can do.

00:20:11.000 Men's rights activists just take them at their word. 0.90

00:20:14.000 And taunting is how men bond.

00:20:15.000 Yeah, but you're fucking wrong now.

00:20:17.000 That's not what they're doing.

00:20:18.000 That's not what they're doing.

00:20:19.000 They're not trying to bond with these women.

00:20:20.000 They're trying to hurt them.

00:20:21.000 Well, I think what they're doing is taking at face value this demand for us to treat women, I say us, for them to treat women just like they would their buddies down the pub.

00:20:31.000 Well, if you've ever actually been to a pub when you're hearing men like out playing snooker or whatever, they're fucking awful to each other.

00:20:37.000 Yeah, but I don't want to buy that.

00:20:40.000 I think they're doing exactly the same thing they don't want these women doing. 1.00

00:20:43.000 Everyone's just being a cunt.

00:20:45.000 They just take away the gender. 0.75

00:20:47.000 Men are being cunts, women are being cunts. 1.00

00:20:49.000 People are reaching through these internet lines trying to hurt each other.

00:20:52.000 That's what they're doing.

00:20:53.000 I think it's true.

00:20:54.000 And I'm not totally on board with the whole meninist men's right.

00:20:58.000 I'm not into this.

00:20:59.000 I don't buy it up for a second.

00:21:00.000 I think anybody who spends so much time working on their approval of their own gender, we're supporting our own gender.

00:21:07.000 There's a lot of dudes that are pieces of shit.

00:21:09.000 There's a lot of women that are assholes. 1.00

00:21:11.000 I think part of the problem is that they sort of become feminists in reverse, and they use the same tactics. 1.00

00:21:15.000 They like to charge police.

00:21:16.000 They also, I mean, it's amazing.

00:21:17.000 You go on some of these communities in Reddit, and you read some of these blogs, and they're sort of, you know, they're like fainting couch men's rights activists.

00:21:25.000 Okay, so I have a friend, Julie Bendle, who's very, very funny.

00:21:27.000 She's a lesbian. 1.00

00:21:29.000 She's basically this dyke feminist. 1.00

00:21:30.000 She hates men. 0.66

00:21:31.000 She made this joke.

00:21:32.000 And it's kind of like the sort of joke I would make.

00:21:34.000 She said, you know, we should put all men in internment camps.

00:21:37.000 They could have visitation once a month.

00:21:38.000 You know, we'll have guards and they could just stay in camps until they learn how to behave. 0.96

00:21:42.000 If I'd said that about women, the whole manosphere, as it were, would be like applauding.

00:21:47.000 They'd think it was hilarious.

00:21:48.000 But because she said it in a similar level of jest, you know, suddenly it was this disgusting, outrageous thing.

00:21:54.000 You know, feminists says men should be put in concentration camps. 0.96

00:21:57.000 And I was like, bitches, really?

00:21:59.000 Are you fucking kidding me?

00:22:01.000 This is exactly what feminists do. 1.00

00:22:03.000 You are taking a joke, like, you're taking a joke, you're pretending to take it seriously, and then you're starting an outrage circus about it.

00:22:09.000 And I was like, for fuck's sake, I am out.

00:22:12.000 It's recreational outrage.

00:22:14.000 Yes, it is.

00:22:14.000 Yes, it is what it is.

00:22:16.000 Isn't that what this is supposed to be like fighting against?

00:22:18.000 You know, I'm in this because I'm like a cultural libertarian, as my colleague Alan Bukhari puts it.

00:22:22.000 You know, I believe in classical liberalism, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of expression.

00:22:26.000 You know, I don't care what you believe.

00:22:27.000 I just want you to have, I want to be able to interrogate your ideas in the public square.

00:22:31.000 But, you know, this outrage circus that so many men seem to be getting involved in, and the way they treat, you know, they call circumcision male genital mutilation.

00:22:40.000 I'm like, go for it.

00:22:41.000 But wait a minute, isn't it?

00:22:43.000 You're cutting your baby. 1.00

00:22:45.000 You're one of those, are you?

00:22:46.000 But no, I'm just saying.

00:22:47.000 I mean, it is.

00:22:48.000 Look, I'm going to.

00:22:50.000 Right, it's cutting skin.

00:22:51.000 Well, I'm in favour of it purely on aesthetic grounds.

00:22:53.000 I can understand that.

00:22:54.000 I'm going to have these things in my mouth, okay?

00:22:56.000 I can understand.

00:22:57.000 From your point of view, I can understand that.

00:22:59.000 From the baby, I think the baby should be able to make skin.

00:23:02.000 It's much more painful if you have it on later in life.

00:23:04.000 No, I have a...

00:23:07.000 I have a view I know lots of men don't like on this issue, and it's simply that, you know, it's just good grooming, frankly.

00:23:12.000 Women go under the... 1.00

00:23:16.000 Women go under the knife and have boob jobs and all the rest of it. 1.00

00:23:19.000 White stopping. 0.86

00:23:20.000 White carb men, make their penises attractive. 1.00

00:23:23.000 Sexual procedure that comes close to the numbers of babies that get circumcised.

00:23:28.000 That's done to female girls. 1.00

00:23:29.000 I'm not sure one of these people.

00:23:30.000 I mean, I just know.

00:23:31.000 I think these circumcised girls like Bertha's, they're just weird. 1.00

00:23:34.000 But I think I'm in the minority here.

00:23:36.000 I'm sorry to offend you, but I think I'm in the minority here, but I just can't imagine why any man wouldn't want lots and lots of really good blowjobs.

00:23:44.000 Well, apparently it feels better when the skin is on.

00:23:46.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:23:47.000 It's so much better.

00:23:48.000 How do you know unless you've done both?

00:23:49.000 Well, because I've got feedback from...

00:23:53.000 Put it this way.

00:23:54.000 I've got a large sample size.

00:23:57.000 You just like the way they look better when it's all trimmed up nice.

00:24:00.000 So does every other woman, which just choice based a lot on what we're used to having it done later in life. 0.98

00:24:09.000 It's not nice.

00:24:10.000 Good, they should suffer.

00:24:11.000 If you're fucking dumb enough to get your dick skin cut off when you're 30, I hope it hurts.

00:24:15.000 We can't agree on this.

00:24:16.000 You don't have to suck one of these things, okay?

00:24:17.000 That's all I'm going to say.

00:24:18.000 If I'd leave it there, I would like to believe that I have the same approach that I do to vaginas. 1.00

00:24:24.000 Like if a girl had a big vagina lips, I wouldn't say, you know, you shouldn't get that shit cut off. 1.00

00:24:28.000 I think the way it looks now is horrifying.

00:24:31.000 No, leave it there.

00:24:32.000 That's what it is.

00:24:33.000 It is what it is.

00:24:34.000 It's like big nipples.

00:24:35.000 Like, you're going to get them shrunk down?

00:24:37.000 That's fucking barbaric.

00:24:39.000 It's all in the mind, you know?

00:24:41.000 Well, no.

00:24:43.000 I mean, people aren't scrupulously.

00:24:46.000 Cutting baby's dicks is stupid. 0.99

00:24:48.000 Oh, for God's sake.

00:24:49.000 It's a baby's dick. 1.00

00:24:51.000 You don't have to cut his dick.

00:24:52.000 You know how many kids lose their dicks every year because of infections and because of the surgery goes wrong?

00:24:57.000 A lot.

00:24:58.000 I can't win if you're going to take this view.

00:25:00.000 If you're going to take this line, like cutting babies' dicks, I can't win against that one.

00:25:04.000 It's what it is, though.

00:25:05.000 You know what?

00:25:06.000 A surgical procedure.

00:25:08.000 I'm happy to be in the minority.

00:25:09.000 An aesthetically pleasing surgical procedure.

00:25:12.000 You know what, all you motherfuckers.

00:25:12.000 Baby cutting.

00:25:13.000 All you motherfuckers out there who want to keep your foreskin, right? 1.00

00:25:17.000 I'm going to give these world-class blowjobs to the Jews instead. 1.00

00:25:20.000 Congratulations on your world-class blowjobs.

00:25:23.000 My favorite story was my least favorite story, but my favorite story to bring up was a mole in New York who had herpes.

00:25:30.000 And when they cut the baby's dick in the traditional way, they actually suck on the baby's penis to stop the bleeding. 0.99

00:25:38.000 Have you ever seen this?

00:25:39.000 Have you ever heard articles about this?

00:25:39.000 I've seen this.

00:25:41.000 Read things about this?

00:25:43.000 And the kid died because the kid got herpes from the rabbi, the moil, whatever the fuck his name is. 0.93

00:25:43.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:25:49.000 Pretty horrific.

00:25:50.000 What a great idea.

00:25:51.000 Cutting baby dicks. 0.96

00:25:52.000 That kid could have grown up to solve cancer or give you head.

00:25:57.000 One of those things.

00:25:58.000 Either one of them could be awesome.

00:26:00.000 Meanwhile, nope, dead baby.

00:26:01.000 Well, I don't think anyone's going to disagree with you on that particular issue.

00:26:05.000 Don't cut baby dicks.

00:26:06.000 But how the fuck did we get on baby dicks? 1.00

00:26:08.000 I just don't know, but it was inevitable.

00:26:10.000 I mean, you know.

00:26:11.000 You know, look, there's absolutely a bunch of horrible shit that happens to women on a daily basis. 1.00

00:26:16.000 I mean, every time you see these fucking Cosby stories, these women that are coming out of nowhere about Bill Cosby, when women talk about worrying about being drugged, and if you don't know anybody that's actually happened to, or someone close to that's actually happened to you, that danger doesn't seem real.

00:26:35.000 But you see this Bill Cosby thing, and you're like, not only is it real, it's like, here's the guy that was America's the voice of morality for a generation.

00:26:46.000 He was the guy.

00:26:48.000 There's become such a mania, a moral panic, like moral panics in history about this stuff, that the genuine victims are starting to be disbelieved.

00:26:58.000 And this is driven by, I'm sorry to say, kind of the sort of progressive narrative over fact kind of journalism.

00:27:03.000 Sabrina Erdely in Rolling Stone.

00:27:04.000 All these rapes we hear about, they all seem to unravel within a couple of months.

00:27:07.000 That was the...

00:27:11.000 Patrick's Girl at Columbia didn't happen.

00:27:14.000 Duke La Crosse didn't happen.

00:27:16.000 All these things.

00:27:17.000 A lot of things have happened.

00:27:18.000 Naturally, well, yes, but we should be working out how to solve and prevent these crimes better.

00:27:23.000 And the way to do that is not to stage a moral panic in the media, pointing fingers at innocent people.

00:27:29.000 And when you, as was clearly the case with Rolling Stone, sort of sweep under the carpet facts or omissions that throw doubt on your story, because you think this is just something we should be talking about anyway.

00:27:43.000 Whether the specific case, whether we have the details around the specific case, what happens is when these rape stories or whatever it is get successive rape stories get repudiated and debunked, it undermines confidence and trust in anyone who makes that complaint.

00:28:02.000 Anyone who says, this happened to me.

00:28:04.000 In the back of their head, I think perfectly reasonably, people are thinking, oh yeah, another one.

00:28:08.000 You know, it's not a nice thing, but this can be the effect of immoral panic in the media.

00:28:13.000 It damages the real victims the most.

00:28:17.000 And that's why I've written about this stuff in the past.

00:28:20.000 I think it's also why it's really important to tell the truth about statistics.

00:28:22.000 Now, feminists always have a complicated relationship with the truth. 1.00

00:28:26.000 A big one is the one in four women who have been raped. 0.72

00:28:29.000 I mean, this goes all the way up to Obama.

00:28:30.000 Every time you hear it, it seems to get worse.

00:28:32.000 But I think if we extrapolate out, it's going to be like 50 women in five gets raped within a second of stepping on campus by 2025. 1.00

00:28:39.000 It gets worse every time.

00:28:40.000 It's based on ridiculous studies.

00:28:43.000 I mean, the way this thing started, I think, Christina Hoffsommers at the American Enterprise Institute, who I always cite because she's so fantastic, and so on.

00:28:49.000 She's another unicorn.

00:28:51.000 So on point about the female.

00:28:51.000 March feminist lady who hates feminism.

00:28:54.000 She's clever, and she does have some problems with contemporary feminism and gender warriors. 1.00

00:28:59.000 She does a great series, The Factual Feminist.

00:29:01.000 I'm sure a lot of you have seen already.

00:29:03.000 But she sort of tracked down the original study for this, which was a sample size of about 70 people and an adult education college, which is so completely alien in character.

00:29:13.000 I mean, these people are like 20 years older.

00:29:15.000 And of course, adult education colleges, there is a different set of social issues that go along with adult education college than 20-year-olds, undergrads, what do you call them, freshmen, doing a regular degree in college.

00:29:29.000 Sample size was ridiculous.

00:29:30.000 The university was atypical.

00:29:31.000 And this has been extrapolated out to this feminist myth that just won't die, like the gender pay gap as well. 1.00

00:29:36.000 Well, it's also how they define...

00:29:46.000 Well, it's getting crazy.

00:29:47.000 But in some universities, it is part of the university's conduct code that unwanted sexual advances, that means me saying, you're really pretty, can I buy you a drink, constitute sexual harassment.

00:30:01.000 Now, this is just, you know, you have to close down every nightclub in the country.

00:30:05.000 It's just extraordinary bonkers, you know, crazy stuff.

00:30:09.000 And this is, you know, 30 years of unchallenged feminism, which is why I do what I do, because I think it matters. 0.97

00:30:13.000 I think it's important.

00:30:14.000 I talked to a guy who's 20 years old, you know, our age, right?

00:30:17.000 I don't know how old you are, I guess, you know.

00:30:19.000 Okay, fine.

00:30:20.000 So, I mean, like, you know, you're maybe my dad's, almost at my dad's generation, but anyone your age, even right down to my age, I'm 30.

00:30:26.000 It would have been a bit ridiculous for us to say that, you know, society is architected against men.

00:30:30.000 You know, when we were growing up, it just wasn't the case, and there's no point trying to pretend that it was.

00:30:34.000 But I speak to boys all the time, and I've interviewed so many of them now, of about 20, who do go through life experiencing this extraordinary sort of architecture against them, whether it's being whacked on Adderall at school, or more women, you know, getting into university for no good reason, or women, in a Cornell 2015 study, showed that women have a two-to-one advantage going for a STEM job in academia, so being discriminated against because they don't have a vagina.

00:31:00.000 20-year-old boys do have some serious problems now.

00:31:03.000 And we risk not just one, but many lost generations of boys.

00:31:07.000 I call this this exodus.

00:31:08.000 I wrote a big two-part about this that I think a lot of people were very nice about and seemed to go down very well.

00:31:13.000 Yeah, there's some really serious stuff to address here, which is one of the reasons I do what I do, because I think that's what journalism is supposed to be for, speaking up for people who don't have a platform themselves and that the establishment has lost sight of and doesn't care about anymore.

00:31:26.000 But it's why I think it's important to tell the truth about statistics.

00:31:29.000 You can't help victims if you lie in your first sentence about what the problem is.

00:31:33.000 And there is not a systemic, problematic gender pay gap in the United States or in Europe.

00:31:39.000 There is not an epidemic of rape culture on campus.

00:31:44.000 There is not a problem in universities or with not enough women going into STEM, into science, technology, or mathematics subjects. 1.00

00:31:52.000 All of these things have subtle and sophisticated explanations that when you take into account human nature and the different choices people make and what women want to do, you realize that this stuff is bunk. 0.98

00:32:05.000 But many of these myths simply won't die.

00:32:08.000 Well, you also have to take into consideration there's a bunch of other variables, right?

00:32:11.000 Like women leaving because they have children and you have to factor that into the amount of income that they generate. 1.00

00:32:18.000 This stuff is based on a misunderstanding between earnings and pay.

00:32:21.000 can't take all the men in society and all the women in society and do like a two two stage calculation and say right well there's 77 as much money on this side right right that's not what people mean when they say there's a page when you say that it's a page where you say that it's a And that's the phrase they use, to admance, Implying that women get paid less for the same work.

00:32:43.000 That's the implication that they're making through all of this, because they're confusing earnings with wages, right?

00:32:46.000 Earnings with pay.

00:32:48.000 What actually happens is men work longer hours.

00:32:51.000 Even when you control for children, men take fewer holidays, they take shorter holidays, they work longer hours, they make more money for their firms, all the rest of it.

00:32:58.000 Men just work harder.

00:33:00.000 They have longer careers, et cetera, et cetera.

00:33:03.000 Women prefer, whether or not they have children, to have a more balanced life. 1.00

00:33:06.000 They prefer not to work full-time.

00:33:08.000 They like to work part-time.

00:33:09.000 They have more of a balanced approach.

00:33:12.000 Because, of course, there's outliers on both sides.

00:33:14.000 We all know lazy, lazy.

00:33:16.000 This is the way the left argues, like not all women are giving me a break. 1.00

00:33:18.000 But you know what I'm saying?

00:33:19.000 You have to speak in generalizations if you're going to be able to do it.

00:33:20.000 But isn't it problematic, though, to do that?

00:33:22.000 Because there are.

00:33:24.000 I mean, I think the term is statistically there are more men that are working longer hours, that are working harder, that generate more money.

00:33:32.000 But to say, like, men do that, when we all know lazy fucks, it just happened to be a lot of fun. 0.99

00:33:35.000 Well, the reason I do it is that, the reason I phrase it exactly like that is that I don't want to, you know, let's not open up this whole not all men stuff that the left does, because that is the route into this sort of social conditioning argument, yeah?

00:33:51.000 Is it not all men or is it just objective?

00:33:53.000 Well, the point I'm trying to make is that men generally have the following traits, right?

00:34:00.000 And this is reflected in employment systems.

00:34:02.000 This example is fine, but I mean, especially when it comes to lazy.

00:34:07.000 We've got so many lazy men.

00:34:09.000 Yeah, sure.

00:34:10.000 There are some lazy men, but there are also men dropping out of society because they feel that there's just no place for them anymore.

00:34:16.000 They've had what they consider to be their role in the family snatched away from them in the last two years.

00:34:21.000 Dropping out of the last two generations.

00:34:22.000 Is this a real issue?

00:34:23.000 Yeah, well, I think that men move.

00:34:24.000 Again, I think your generation, my generation, sounds ridiculous, but I speak to 20-year-old boys all the time who are saying, I can't be bothered with women.

00:34:32.000 You know, there's this movement, MGTOW, men going their own way.

00:34:35.000 Yeah, but they're actually fuckers involved in the female. 1.00

00:34:37.000 They say that, but there's a lot of No, no, no, no.

00:34:39.000 You see, you say that.

00:34:41.000 10 years ago, we'll talk about five guys later.

00:34:44.000 Ten years ago, sure.

00:34:46.000 But today, the numbers are blossoming.

00:34:48.000 They're blossoming.

00:34:50.000 So fast.

00:34:51.000 And, you know, the thing is, men deal reasonably well without women. 1.00

00:34:55.000 They don't like to do it.

00:34:56.000 Look, people like us are not going to want for sex, right?

00:35:01.000 Because we're outgoing and ballsy and brash and self-confident and all the rest of it, right?

00:35:05.000 We're not going to have too much of a problem.

00:35:06.000 But there are plenty of men who don't have our self-confidence and who are being, you know, bullied and derided and ridiculed every day in the media.

00:35:12.000 This stuff gets you.

00:35:13.000 People get depressed about this stuff.

00:35:14.000 This is a male suicide epidemic.

00:35:16.000 But isn't it just a suicide epidemic across the board?

00:35:16.000 It's huge.

00:35:19.000 No, the number of female suicides, I mean, it's different statistics, different countries, it differs slightly, but the female numbers aren't really changing.

00:35:27.000 Women are getting more unhappy decade after decade, but they don't actually commit suicide. 1.00

00:35:31.000 They never go through with it.

00:35:32.000 When they try, they fail.

00:35:33.000 They can't even commit suicide properly.

00:35:37.000 Women are so incompetent, they can't even kill themselves properly. 1.00

00:35:40.000 So when they get upset, they're forcing the men to kill themselves.

00:35:45.000 Women often write the suicide notes, and then they try to kill themselves and they fail. 1.00

00:35:50.000 Or they bottle it at the last minute and call someone and say, I'm taking some pills.

00:35:54.000 They never end up dead.

00:35:55.000 But men just go quiet for a few days and then they just hang themselves.

00:35:59.000 But those numbers are going up.

00:36:01.000 The number of men who are just giving up on relationships, that number is going up.

00:36:05.000 I can't believe that.

00:36:06.000 See, because then you're factoring in morons.

00:36:17.000 It's not.

00:36:18.000 It's not.

00:36:20.000 Sorry, I just had a moment then.

00:36:21.000 No, it's not your world.

00:36:22.000 Meanwhile, married kids.

00:36:24.000 Yeah, yeah, whatever.

00:36:25.000 No, I don't know what to do.

00:36:25.000 The whole deal.

00:36:26.000 I don't need to know what you get up to.

00:36:29.000 But, you know, this is not.

00:36:30.000 I know what you're saying.

00:36:31.000 This is not the case.

00:36:32.000 There's going to be some unhappy people.

00:36:34.000 No, no, it's not some unhappy people.

00:36:36.000 This is not the case for people.

00:36:37.000 There are millions of men out there by themselves, just alone, just giving up.

00:36:40.000 They need you, so you should pay more attention to them.

00:36:43.000 You should listen to them when they're speaking to you because they need people like you.

00:36:45.000 Come on, man.

00:36:46.000 This is a small thing.

00:36:48.000 Is it really down to me?

00:36:49.000 Is it going to be this fucking British queer who's going to stick up for these guys when even you won't stick up for them? 1.00

00:36:55.000 Even you won't stick up for these men.

00:36:57.000 Toughen up, bitches. 1.00

00:36:58.000 They don't need to be able to do that.

00:36:58.000 This is what they need to do.

00:36:59.000 What are you like to do?

00:36:59.000 Drop out of society.

00:37:01.000 Man's radio host in America.

00:37:03.000 And you won't stick for a few minutes.

00:37:04.000 Dead lips.

00:37:05.000 God, what am I going to do?

00:37:07.000 Go camp outside.

00:37:08.000 No cell phones.

00:37:09.000 This is like a fucking man.

00:37:11.000 This is why I have the fucking media beating down my door because even you guys won't stick up for men anymore.

00:37:16.000 You can't just coddle them like that.

00:37:18.000 If they really want to drop.

00:37:19.000 Well, girl, it's too hard with girls. 0.80

00:37:20.000 Dude, you can't.

00:37:21.000 I'm a total sociopath, but I still preach a little sympathy on this issue.

00:37:25.000 You're not a total sociopath.

00:37:26.000 How dare you?

00:37:27.000 How dare you pose?

00:37:28.000 No, I'm not.

00:37:30.000 The feminists will call you that, though, right? 1.00

00:37:32.000 Well, I think that's some terrible things, especially by the male feminists. 1.00

00:37:35.000 Trying to get those social brownie points.

00:37:37.000 Oh, I love them.

00:37:39.000 I love them.

00:37:40.000 Oh, the warm honey of the male feminists. 1.00

00:37:42.000 Have you ever seen favorite?

00:37:45.000 Have you ever seen somebody in their Twitter profile?

00:37:47.000 Hashtag feminists? 1.00

00:37:49.000 I usually don't write male feminists.

00:37:51.000 No, just feminists. 1.00

00:37:52.000 And I'm like, oh, God, how long has it been?

00:37:52.000 Just feminists.

00:37:55.000 I want to ask them, how long has it been?

00:37:56.000 And they're like, two months.

00:37:57.000 I'm like, no, no, how long has it been?

00:37:59.000 That's it.

00:37:59.000 Two years.

00:38:00.000 That's the way you're a feminist. 1.00

00:38:02.000 But what they don't understand is the kind of women they're sucking up to don't even want them. 1.00

00:38:07.000 You know, women don't want men to speak about feminism. 1.00

00:38:09.000 They don't want allies because no man's ever going to be good enough to speak about women's issues. 1.00

00:38:12.000 This is the crux of identity politics.

00:38:14.000 Modern feminists don't want men. 1.00

00:38:15.000 They hate men.

00:38:16.000 Stop sucking up to them.

00:38:17.000 The only way you're going to get them is to neck them.

00:38:20.000 The only way you're going to get them is to say, you are a ridiculous fucking whore, and I'm paying you no attention whatsoever. 1.00

00:38:25.000 And that's how you get them?

00:38:26.000 Well, it's worked for me.

00:38:28.000 No, that works that way.

00:38:29.000 Okay, maybe not that language, but you know, you're a ridiculous woman, I'm paying you no attention whatsoever. 1.00

00:38:34.000 And that key second part of the phrase, which is what I was really focusing on, that second part of that phrase, that's what makes them come running.

00:38:41.000 Subtle games.

00:38:42.000 I'm calling a turkey.

00:38:43.000 Right, exactly.

00:38:43.000 You've got to know how to.

00:38:44.000 You got to know when to make the hen call.

00:38:46.000 I don't have skin in the game, you see, so I'm able to analyze these things dispassionately.

00:38:50.000 Well, there's some truth to that, certainly.

00:38:52.000 There's definitely some truth to that.

00:38:54.000 Through a wise gay uncle, you know, who can just sort of, from a distance, can tell you what's happening.

00:38:59.000 It's just pathetic to watch those poor men grovel.

00:39:02.000 Just grovel for social brownie points.

00:39:04.000 Yes, it is.

00:39:05.000 And they're never going to get the hand job.

00:39:08.000 Never going to get it.

00:39:09.000 But it's even that they can't see that it's not about feminism.

00:39:09.000 It's not going to happen.

00:39:16.000 It's not about masculinism either, if that's a word.

00:39:19.000 It's about just people not being full of shit.

00:39:22.000 People not, you know, just not crying victim when you're not really a victim.

00:39:27.000 Not pulling the fucking fire alarm on a guy who's that Toronto thing where the guy was, they totally misrepresented the position of his book, misrepresented what his position was on women, period, and on men.

00:39:42.000 And he was just essentially trying to highlight various issues some men have, and they were calling him to sorry.

00:39:50.000 I mean, look, I quite like getting insults because I like to rate them.

00:39:54.000 I give them marks out of 10.

00:39:55.000 And then I go back to the troll and I explain how they could have made it better, how they could improve, you know?

00:39:59.000 So I take them to troll school.

00:40:01.000 And, you know, sometimes people will tell you good things, like go take a bath with a toaster, which is quite funny.

00:40:05.000 Like, I like that.

00:40:06.000 It doesn't work anymore.

00:40:06.000 That's a good one.

00:40:07.000 People don't know how to circuits.

00:40:09.000 Yeah, they don't want to circuit broke.

00:40:11.000 Well, I like the joke anyway.

00:40:12.000 And then sometimes it's just, you know, you deserve to die.

00:40:15.000 Two out of ten.

00:40:15.000 You know, come on, you can do better than that.

00:40:17.000 No, but this is what they do.

00:40:18.000 This is what they do.

00:40:19.000 They insult and ridicule and demean and try to discredit the speaker.

00:40:23.000 And if they can't do that, they will do some other kind of silencing or no platforming or whatever so that those opinions can never be allowed.

00:40:28.000 They do not want those opinions ever aired in public because those opinions and the facts that underpin them, the reasoning that underpins them, which is what people go to these talks to hear, is so dangerous to the feminist narrative, which is basically based on feeling and not fact, based on bigotry and class and gender hatred, not any kind of sensible analysis of the way the world works.

00:40:50.000 I've got so many invitations to universities for the next six months.

00:40:55.000 And this isn't an advertisement to any feminists listening, but I know this is going to happen. 1.00

00:40:59.000 And the talks go on anyway.

00:41:01.000 It just takes up a whole day of your life instead of an afternoon.

00:41:04.000 But I know it's going to happen.

00:41:06.000 I'm speaking at university, I'm speaking to USC Republicans next week.

00:41:09.000 I'm speaking to a bunch of UK and US universities over the next six months.

00:41:15.000 And I just know what's coming.

00:41:16.000 It's just so extraordinary.

00:41:18.000 I'm like a harmless gay dude.

00:41:19.000 I crack dick jokes on Twitter and I do Sky News now and again.

00:41:22.000 And if I'm the scariest opponent that they have, they've got real problems.

00:41:28.000 Well, you are because of what we highlighted earlier.

00:41:29.000 They can't be a single person.

00:41:31.000 I was kind of semi-joking all that shit.

00:41:33.000 Kind of semi-joking, but I'm not kind of.

00:41:34.000 No, but bring your A-game and make your argument, for God's sake.

00:41:38.000 And why is it that for the last 30 years they have been incapable or unwilling of actually making an argument?

00:41:42.000 And instead, they do everything they can to simply get the speaker out of the public eye.

00:41:46.000 Well, because they exist in an echo chamber.

00:41:48.000 I mean, I think that the forums that they go to, the Twitter groups that they...

00:41:57.000 I read an article about this page.

00:41:58.000 I went to his Twitter page and I was already blocked.

00:42:00.000 I'd never even interacted with this channel.

00:42:02.000 I was on a block list.

00:42:04.000 Oh, you're on a block list.

00:42:05.000 It's probably because you follow me.

00:42:07.000 I seem to be sort of Voldemort for these guys.

00:42:10.000 I've said a few controversial things myself.

00:42:11.000 It might just be my own controversial thing you've ever said.

00:42:13.000 What's the most controversial thing you've ever said, Tommy?

00:42:15.000 Oh, fucking, that would take a long time.

00:42:16.000 We'd have to go through the internet.

00:42:20.000 What kind of stuff they hate that you said?

00:42:23.000 If you're a man, you call yourself a feminist. 1.00

00:42:24.000 I hope you choke to death on vegan pizza while crying to a lady gaga song. 1.00

00:42:29.000 Is that controversial?

00:42:31.000 She's upset with me.

00:42:32.000 Very upset with me.

00:42:33.000 Is that controversial?

00:42:34.000 Yes.

00:42:34.000 Is it?

00:42:35.000 Talking about death.

00:42:36.000 Oh, okay.

00:42:38.000 I prefer they get raped with the pizza. 1.00

00:42:41.000 Wow.

00:42:42.000 Male rape is not as bad as female rape, though, right? 0.99

00:42:44.000 You could say that.

00:42:45.000 Like, male raped with a pizza.

00:42:47.000 It doesn't seem as awful.

00:42:48.000 It's not a musician.

00:42:49.000 Some of us go out in search of male rape.

00:42:51.000 But that's a comical thing to say, though.

00:42:52.000 A man being raped by a pizza.

00:42:54.000 Whereas if you said I hope a woman gets raped by a pizza.

00:42:57.000 That's just as funny.

00:42:58.000 It's just so stupid.

00:42:59.000 It's not.

00:42:59.000 Look.

00:43:00.000 Well, you see, I'll tell you what.

00:43:02.000 You know what?

00:43:04.000 I like that you find it horrible because it shows to me that chivalry is not dead.

00:43:07.000 And you have a decent respect for women and for speaking about women properly.

00:43:13.000 And I like that you're offended by, well, offended, but I like that you find it distasteful to speak of women in that way because it speaks well of you. 1.00

00:43:22.000 I think what feminism has done has made it very difficult to be nice about women because they've created this environment where there's so much hate and bile and ridicule hurled at men. 0.99

00:43:29.000 Men feel like they've got to respond in kind or just check out entirely. 0.52

00:43:32.000 And it's the race.

00:43:34.000 That's what I don't buy.

00:43:36.000 I think you have a very small minority of women who are not very attractive, who get really upset at men.

00:43:43.000 And you deal with a lot of sociological shit when it comes to these really radical, anti-male feminists. 1.00

00:43:49.000 A lot of it is a constant state of rejection.

00:43:51.000 But these are feminists. 1.00

00:43:53.000 It has a disproportionate effect.

00:43:54.000 What's on?

00:43:56.000 These ugly women, who, by the way, there are all sorts of studies which I love, which show that ugly women are much more likely to be liberals. 1.00

00:44:02.000 And of course they are ugly.

00:44:03.000 Yeah, but it makes sense for all the reasons you would imagine.

00:44:06.000 So they find feminism, or perhaps they start losing their looks in their 30s, so they slide back into feminism. 0.69

00:44:13.000 40s.

00:44:14.000 Yeah.

00:44:14.000 No, women are gone at 30.

00:44:20.000 I like 20-year-olds.

00:44:21.000 But it seems to be like gay aesthetic. 0.51

00:44:25.000 They start re-questioning things.

00:44:26.000 In their 40s, a lot of times they'll even go to yoga.

00:44:28.000 Well, what the statistics show is that women in their 30s, if they're still single, start to go a bit nuts.

00:44:35.000 They report themselves as being generally more unhappy with life, more likely to have contemplated suicide, more likely to be depressed.

00:44:41.000 Men can sort of retreat into porn and video games, but women get women, women go nuts if they're single in their 30s. 1.00

00:44:46.000 Thanks to feminism. 1.00

00:44:47.000 Some women. 1.00

00:44:48.000 Yes, alright, not all women.

00:44:49.000 You don't know, you've conceded so much ground already by allowing yourself to be taken over by this leftist clap.

00:44:56.000 Nah, I'm just being objective.

00:44:57.000 Nips.

00:44:58.000 It's nonsense.

00:44:59.000 It's a soft quantifier.

00:45:00.000 When you say, like, you know, women are X, you mean most women are X. It is understood that you're speaking in generalities.

00:45:06.000 It's annoying to women that aren't like that. 1.00

00:45:08.000 Well, tough shit.

00:45:10.000 Get over it.

00:45:11.000 It is understood that you're speaking in generalities.

00:45:13.000 Without generalities, it's impossible to communicate.

00:45:15.000 It is a British thing.

00:45:17.000 No, it's not a British thing.

00:45:18.000 It's just a not being a nitpicky dick thing.

00:45:20.000 Well, it's just a simple addition to that sentence.

00:45:23.000 Perfectly well understood.

00:45:25.000 There are many men who have gone like a snow.

00:45:25.000 When you say that.

00:45:29.000 Men are leaving.

00:45:30.000 They're leaving the lifestyle.

00:45:30.000 They're leaving.

00:45:31.000 Language policing.

00:45:33.000 You've given it over already.

00:45:35.000 Language policing.

00:45:37.000 You're halfway to feminism. 1.00

00:45:39.000 I had a buddy for a long time, and he was ugly.

00:45:42.000 And because he used to get rejected all the time.

00:45:46.000 And he started getting really fucking angry.

00:45:49.000 And as he got older, we had to stop hanging out with him because he would meet girls. 0.80

00:45:54.000 He would try to hit on them.

00:45:55.000 They would say no.

00:45:56.000 And he'd be like, fucking lesbians. 1.00

00:45:57.000 He's fucking cunt lesbians. 1.00

00:45:58.000 It's so easy to do with these.

00:45:59.000 Just work out or be funny or get money.

00:46:01.000 I mean, it's just, you know, any man can do at least one of those three.

00:46:05.000 Anyone can work out.

00:46:06.000 Anyone can learn to be funny.

00:46:08.000 During that process, during that process, you still have sexual needs.

00:46:11.000 So he had not accomplished any of those goals.

00:46:14.000 So he was not attractive to these women.

00:46:18.000 And because he wasn't attracted to these women, I witnessed, over the course of knowing him for several years, I witnessed this misogyny grow inside of him.

00:46:26.000 And it was based on the interactions that he had with women were all negative.

00:46:30.000 The interactions he had with women, he came away feeling bad about himself, feeling rejected.

00:46:35.000 And so he started to project that they were the root cause of this issue.

00:46:39.000 I think you're dealing with a lot of the same thing with these feminists. 1.00

00:46:42.000 I think the problem is that society has been architected in such a way that those outcomes, those rejections, are now not just the norm, but almost enforced by a woman's need to reject a man and to say, you know, look at this stuff, you know, unwanted advances of sexual harassment.

00:46:57.000 Basically what it means.

00:46:58.000 But those are the monsters, the monster women who are trying to push that. 1.00

00:47:02.000 These aren't the monsters.

00:47:03.000 It's such a small percentage of that.

00:47:05.000 You grossly underestimate the influence these people have on not just debate in the media, but on policy in universities and even the government.

00:47:13.000 Look at California.

00:47:14.000 Yes means yes, affirmative consent laws.

00:47:15.000 This stuff becomes law.

00:47:17.000 It doesn't make it lawyer.

00:47:18.000 This stuff becomes law.

00:47:19.000 And when it starts in California, it spreads elsewhere.

00:47:23.000 Every big American university has a ridiculous code of conduct that's got this stuff embedded in it.

00:47:28.000 And it comes from the, you know, the, yes, it comes from the crazies.

00:47:31.000 I admit, I willingly admit that most women are wonderful and they don't buy into this shit. 1.00

00:47:36.000 And indeed, of course, in just, what is it, in just two years, from 28% of women down to 18% of women identify as feminists.

00:47:42.000 Fewer than one in five women call themselves feminists because they see what we see, which is that these feminists are all misendrist, lesbianic, crazy people. 1.00

00:47:48.000 Fine.

00:47:49.000 But those misendrist, lesbianic, crazy people are affecting laws in this country and in my country. 1.00

00:47:54.000 They're affecting conduct, codes of conduct at university that dictate a man's entire future and a woman's entire future for that matter. 0.63

00:48:00.000 And the happiness and good sexual health and the destination of the species, the way that men and women interact with each other is becoming poisoned by these people.

00:48:09.000 You grotesquely underestimate their influence if you write them off as a few mad crazies in student unions.

00:48:14.000 I don't underestimate their influence.

00:48:16.000 They are, but they have gigantic purchase on the media and therefore on politicians.

00:48:20.000 Well, they certainly do when it comes to schools.

00:48:22.000 in schools today.

00:48:23.000 It's a huge issue Listen, your president is parroting these myths from these people.

00:48:32.000 Did you say that?

00:48:33.000 Yes.

00:48:34.000 Obama has repeated the sexual harassment myth.

00:48:37.000 Obama has also repeated the wage gap myth.

00:48:39.000 You're dismissing these people as sort of powerless fringe crazies.

00:48:42.000 The president of the United States is repeating their talking points.

00:48:46.000 Don't tell me these people aren't influential.

00:48:47.000 It's nuts.

00:48:48.000 Well, that's a different thing, isn't it?

00:48:50.000 I mean, when the president, I mean, the president is really just a guy who's supposed to parrot what everybody else sort of already believes anyway.

00:48:57.000 And if that's what the progressive is.

00:49:00.000 You think a Republican president would be any different?

00:49:02.000 There would be a lot more Jesus talk.

00:49:03.000 What else would be different?

00:49:04.000 Trump would tell the truth.

00:49:05.000 Trump would tell the truth.

00:49:07.000 Do you really like Trump or is this a troll?

00:49:09.000 No, I. You're accusing me of trolling.

00:49:11.000 What a horrible allegation.

00:49:16.000 That's a horrible, horrible remark to make.

00:49:20.000 No, I do really like him.

00:49:21.000 Do I really want him in the White House?

00:49:23.000 You can fill in the gaps you're there yourself.

00:49:25.000 But I love him, and I want to stay in the race for as long as possible.

00:49:27.000 He's funny.

00:49:28.000 Look, he taps into, you know, look, you and I are both, you know, obviously I don't have a fraction of your reach and extraordinary audience and fans, but we're both in our own ways kind of countercultural figures and very popular countercultural figures.

00:49:45.000 And I think that, you may not like this, but I think Trump taps into a similar vein of frustration and suspicion and hatred of the establishment, of the political media classes.

00:49:56.000 I think you and I both benefit from the business.

00:49:58.000 I think you and I both benefit from some of the same instincts that make people quite like Trump.

00:50:03.000 They don't like Trump because they believe what he has to say about taxation, because they know he's inconsistent on that.

00:50:08.000 They might like what he says about immigration, but they don't necessarily like the fact that he was a funder to Hillary and all he got out of it was her showing up to the wedding.

00:50:15.000 They don't, in many cases, particularly like the way he speaks about women, and I think Carly Fiorina was magnificent in that debate. 0.66

00:50:21.000 But what they do like is the fact that he doesn't give a shit, doesn't apologise, and gives such a gigantic, brilliant, bloody nose to the establishment that has drifted so far from ordinary people.

00:50:32.000 You and I are both net beneficiaries of that same frustration.

00:50:36.000 And that's why I like Trump, because I think broadly, look, I don't want him in the White House, I'll be honest, okay, don't tell anyone this.

00:50:41.000 But, you know, I don't want him in the White House, but I do understand why people like him.

00:50:46.000 And the instinct that people have to like him, that sort of sense of mischief and gadfly-ishness, the reason people want to vote for him, because it makes the establishment, Republicans, so angry and they don't understand it.

00:50:58.000 I totally get that.

00:51:00.000 And I have a lot of sympathy for those people.

00:51:01.000 I agree with those people on a lot of points.

00:51:04.000 I agree with them entirely about the failings and corruption of the media and political establishment generally.

00:51:13.000 I totally agree with them on all that stuff.

00:51:15.000 So I wouldn't call myself a Trump fan, but I am a fellow traveler.

00:51:20.000 Fellow traveler.

00:51:22.000 That's what the politicians also fail here, isn't it?

00:51:24.000 When it comes to American politics and American education, I think there's some parallels to be drawn.

00:51:29.000 And I think one of the parallels is that any of these ancient systems that were established back when the world was completely different and didn't have the internet, they are no longer valid today.

00:51:41.000 They're just not.

00:51:42.000 And we're clinging to these old ways of operating that if you try to propose them today, no one would buy into it.

00:51:50.000 No one would buy into American universities today.

00:51:56.000 If you tried to propose the whole educational system as it is today, where you put people out of college, when you release them, they are hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt with no fucking jobs to be seen.

00:52:09.000 The reason it's wrong isn't that it's anachronistic, because there are things that are not strictly justifiable with logic, which nonetheless work best.

00:52:16.000 Like, for example, the monarchy.

00:52:18.000 You can't make a plausible argument.

00:52:20.000 Well, as to why we should have a queen If you don't, if you don't, once you get them out, if you don't somehow or another establish a new empire.

00:52:27.000 Like what happened in Libya, like what happened in Iraq.

00:52:30.000 I don't think that's a necessary condition.

00:52:31.000 I just think, you know, for example, the monarchy in England, you can't make a plausible, rational argument to establish a ruling monarchy in the United Kingdom today.

00:52:40.000 Right.

00:52:41.000 But it works best.

00:52:42.000 It works.

00:52:42.000 It's the best system.

00:52:43.000 It's the best system.

00:52:44.000 It works best for us for you.

00:52:45.000 It means we don't get a European-style president with his retinue of jaguars and all of the kind of pomp and circumstance and nonsense that goes with that.

00:52:54.000 So what happens?

00:52:57.000 Well, the British people understand, and Americans understand this too, actually, the importance of significance, the binding power and the value of tradition and institution and history.

00:53:07.000 And it's something that progressives hate, all of the assumptions on which these things are based.

00:53:10.000 They hate all of the effects of them too, which is generally to...

00:53:21.000 And people come from all over the world because they instinctively understand this too.

00:53:26.000 You know, the monarchy just works best for us.

00:53:28.000 Don't you think that should be an earned position, though?

00:53:30.000 I mean, isn't that what we're all trying to accomplish in life is to become great.

00:53:35.000 This is why I don't believe in paid internships because I think they introduce a dangerous element of egalitarianism into the system.

00:53:41.000 Wow.

00:53:42.000 I think people who are paying attention to the people.

00:53:43.000 Egalitarianism are born and born to shrimp.

00:53:47.000 Military intelligence.

00:53:48.000 They are born and bred to rule, and they should be allowed to get on with it.

00:53:51.000 Born and bred to rule.

00:53:52.000 You're hilarious.

00:53:53.000 Now you're fucking trolling.

00:53:55.000 Now you're trolling, you son of a bitch.

00:53:57.000 How dare you?

00:53:58.000 How dare you?

00:53:58.000 I know you're a radio.

00:53:59.000 Trying to introduce a real, a plausible level of egalitarian system to colleges and the system that was in place.

00:54:08.000 And then obviously.

00:54:10.000 My point, which is a serious point, is that just because it's anachronistic doesn't make it wrong.

00:54:14.000 There are problems with the university system in America, but I don't think just because you wouldn't construct it like it's constructed today, that means you shouldn't do it at all.

00:54:23.000 The monarchy is a good example of that.

00:54:24.000 No one's saying that.

00:54:25.000 Well, I don't know if the monarch is a good example of that, because I think it's ridiculous.

00:54:30.000 No, no, no, no.

00:54:31.000 Americans have the same reverence.

00:54:33.000 Americans have the same reverence for the office of the United States, you know, the office of the president of the United States.

00:54:39.000 Same reverence?

00:54:41.000 For the office.

00:54:42.000 Not everybody in this country likes any given president.

00:54:46.000 But you will hear Republicans say, don't say that about Obama.

00:54:49.000 He's the president.

00:54:50.000 I didn't vote for him, but he is the president.

00:54:50.000 He's not my president.

00:54:52.000 So show him some respect.

00:54:53.000 Very you say that.

00:54:54.000 No, come on. 0.85

00:54:55.000 Americans do have an understanding for him.

00:54:57.000 Less with him than I think any president.

00:54:59.000 Well, because he's just so fucking terrible, obviously.

00:55:01.000 Is he that bad?

00:55:03.000 Is he?

00:55:03.000 Oh, he's reduced your standing in the world so badly.

00:55:06.000 You've no idea.

00:55:07.000 Please tell me, as a foreigner.

00:55:10.000 On my soil.

00:55:12.000 I will tell you.

00:55:13.000 Look, I love America.

00:55:14.000 I'm one of those.

00:55:14.000 Tell me what's one of those Brits who are not.

00:55:17.000 But I keep hearing that repeated by people when I'm not exactly sure if they have a real stance on it.

00:55:22.000 Like, why is Obama so terrible in comparison to other presidents?

00:55:24.000 Because we've seen it.

00:55:25.000 It's whistleblowing things.

00:55:26.000 Because in Europe, we've seen the future Obama wants, and we know it doesn't work.

00:55:30.000 We've seen socialized health care.

00:55:32.000 We've seen engorgement of the state.

00:55:34.000 We've seen these crazy feminist ideas about the wage gap and rapes on campus. 1.00

00:55:41.000 We have all this in Europe.

00:55:43.000 This is why America is great, because it's not Europe. 0.98

00:55:45.000 And everything that I see and hear from Obama suggests to me that he wants to take America.

00:55:49.000 It always used to be the case that Europe followed America's lead in so many wonderful things, whether it's pop culture.

00:55:54.000 And I personally think all those have been largely positive imports.

00:56:00.000 But it now seems like America's following Europe's lead in censorship, in cracking down on free expression and creativity and all that kind of stuff.

00:56:08.000 In socialized healthcare.

00:56:10.000 These things are disasters.

00:56:12.000 You will hear from Brits because it's the correct thing to say.

00:56:14.000 The NHS is the envy of the world.

00:56:17.000 I mean, I would just encourage, well, maybe you don't want to go there.

00:56:19.000 Certainly don't take any sick relatives, but go to an NHS hospital in England.

00:56:22.000 It is horrific.

00:56:24.000 Horrendous conditions.

00:56:25.000 Dreadful.

00:56:26.000 People die in them all the time.

00:56:27.000 There's a scandal a few years ago, thousands of people dying in some hospital, and the Labour government just didn't give a shit or didn't do anything about it.

00:56:35.000 This is not a glittering utopia.

00:56:37.000 Fine, there are some problems with the American model in healthcare, but trust me, you do not want the NHS.

00:56:41.000 And the way that Obama is pushing America to be more like Europe, I think it's going to hasten its decline as a world power.

00:56:48.000 We have seen your future, as my colleague at Breitbart, James Dellingpole, wrote a book, I think he called it Obamania, We've Seen Your Future and It Doesn't Work.

00:56:57.000 And it was a sort of a love letter to the United States explaining that we've seen where Obama wants to go because we're living it.

00:57:04.000 And trust me, it's not what you want.

00:57:07.000 But is that really what Obama wants to do and where he wants to go?

00:57:11.000 And if that was the case, if you compare what Obama stood for before he got into office and what he's doing now.

00:57:18.000 Can anybody work what that was?

00:57:20.000 Well, how about the Hope and Change website where they talked about the actions against whistleblowers?

00:57:24.000 This Hope and Change website was a big part of his platform.

00:57:27.000 See if they really rewarding whistleblowers.

00:57:29.000 See if they really pledges he made evaporated as soon as he entered the Oval Office.

00:57:34.000 Guantanamo, whistleblowers, all the really important stuff.

00:57:37.000 The moral statements.

00:57:39.000 You know what it was?

00:57:39.000 It's the kind of things that tell you what sort of man he is.

00:57:42.000 The whistleblower stuff, the Guantanamo, the things that give you a sense of where his moral center is.

00:57:47.000 Those were the things that he jettisoned the minute he entered the Oval Office.

00:57:50.000 And that's why I think, I mean, I'm an officer.

00:57:53.000 It's an outside of here, but that's the office.

00:57:56.000 No, I think it's a bullshit job.

00:57:57.000 You have a manifesto and you try and see as much of your manifesto through as you can, and people hold you to account for telling what any one person really truly has in that position.

00:58:05.000 I think it's a bullshit job.

00:58:06.000 The whole point of the way the United States is structured is to limit the power of the president.

00:58:11.000 You have all of that built into the system, and that's all good.

00:58:14.000 But he does have a huge influence on what people talk about, how they talk about it.

00:58:19.000 He makes decisions about foreign policy and war, which is one of the most important things that a nation can decide about itself, is who it's going to fight.

00:58:27.000 He does make those kinds of decisions, and those kinds of decisions matter.

00:58:30.000 And he also has the power to move.

00:58:32.000 You say he does, but he does, based on what?

00:58:35.000 Based on you seeing him talking on television, we have no idea what exactly is going on behind the scenes.

00:58:40.000 No, but the president has the executive authority to launch whatever. 0.90

00:58:43.000 I'm talking purely in practical terms, right?

00:58:45.000 This guy can send planes to places, right?

00:58:48.000 But everything we've seen from Obama suggests that he wants to take a sort of weird, progressive, socialized, pseudo-European approach to domestic policy, healthcare, taxation.

00:59:00.000 And this scares us in Europe because we looked up to you guys.

00:59:04.000 You know what it was?

00:59:05.000 America, for me, as a European, and your viewers are going to pick holes in this, I'm sure, but for me, Britain is probably the greatest country in the world because it didn't invent democracy or property rights or any of those great values that now the world basically revolves around.

00:59:22.000 But it was the best at spreading them.

00:59:25.000 England in particular spread democracy, property rights, freedom around the world.

00:59:29.000 And everywhere that Britain has been is a nice place to live.

00:59:32.000 And anywhere that Britain hasn't been, you wouldn't want to go to.

00:59:35.000 And America's sort of the distillation of the highest and best values of Britishness, freedom and democracy and free speech and all this kind of stuff.

00:59:45.000 America was America's, like, you know, this petri dish. 0.74

00:59:47.000 What will happen if we take the very best of British values, the stuff that we've spent centuries propagating around the world, making the world a nice, prosperous, you know, fair place to live?

00:59:58.000 What will happen if we take them and we cut all the crap out and we make a country like that? 0.99

01:00:04.000 And we did.

01:00:05.000 But that was the areas that you said we did.

01:00:05.000 It was America.

01:00:07.000 America was established by people fleeing Britain.

01:00:11.000 Yes, of course.

01:00:11.000 But getting away from Queensland.

01:00:15.000 Because we've been in decline for centuries, but importing to America the values that Britain spread around the world over hundreds of years.

01:00:20.000 But wasn't the whole deal that we wanted to get the fuck away from everything that you guys represented?

01:00:25.000 No, no, no, not everything.

01:00:26.000 This is a misnomer.

01:00:28.000 No, no, no, no.

01:00:29.000 No, I mean, look, America is founded on British values.

01:00:32.000 America is founded on values that the British spread throughout the world.

01:00:45.000 But freedom and free CSS.

01:00:47.000 They were established.

01:00:48.000 Profiting property rights.

01:00:50.000 Yes, but that's what they were assuming.

01:00:52.000 These values that Britain spread to India, spread to the bits of the Middle East that Britain went to that are nice places to live now, where women can dress how they like.

01:01:02.000 Kuwait, for example, not a terrible place to be.

01:01:04.000 Where Britain didn't go, Saudi, not a place you'd want to be. 1.00

01:01:07.000 Anywhere that Britain has touched has become better for it.

01:01:09.000 Look at Japan.

01:01:10.000 They wear our suits, they talk our language, they wear our suits.

01:01:13.000 And this is Britain's influence on the world, no other country.

01:01:16.000 Nothing else can touch it.

01:01:17.000 Not Portugal, not Holland.

01:01:19.000 Nobody else can touch Britain for just sheer global influence.

01:01:22.000 Australia, Canada, all the places Britain has touched are dramatically better as a result.

01:01:29.000 But for me, the sort of highest distillation of those values that Britain was spreading around the world was always America, and Obama is tearing America away from those values.

01:01:38.000 That's what I don't like.

01:01:39.000 That's why I said he was a terrible president.

01:01:41.000 That's why I struggle with him in that office, because he seems to me to be profoundly, and I know this is something that sort of crazy right-wings on the internet always say, but he just seems to me to be profoundly un-American.

01:01:53.000 Un-American in specific respect.

01:01:55.000 He does not share those values.

01:01:56.000 He has no socialistic values.

01:01:58.000 He doesn't share the values on which America was founded.

01:02:01.000 In what sense, though?

01:02:02.000 He doesn't believe in free speech because he thinks free speech should be curtailed to save the feelings of certain interest groups and minorities.

01:02:02.000 In what way?

01:02:08.000 Where have you heard him say that?

01:02:10.000 He doesn't believe in.

01:02:11.000 Well, why are you saying that?

01:02:12.000 Where have you heard him say that?

01:02:13.000 Well, because effectively, the stuff he says about harassment of, you know, he's bought into this harassment nonsense.

01:02:21.000 The stuff he said about net neutrality, the stuff he said about the rape campus stuff, all of these things are satellites of the free speech argument, right?

01:02:28.000 Net neutrality being a satellite of the free speech argument?

01:02:31.000 Because it's all about free speech, yeah.

01:02:32.000 Net neutrality?

01:02:33.000 Well, it's about the government regulating the internet, yes.

01:02:35.000 But it's about regulating banana.

01:02:37.000 No, it's about the government regulating the internet.

01:02:39.000 Net neutrality is about the government regulating the internet, having control over what private companies can do, about the relationship that a private company has with its own customer, right?

01:02:47.000 You have a service from, I don't know what your private providers are called, Comcast or whatever.

01:02:51.000 You know, your relationship with Comcast is a private business arrangement between you and that company, right?

01:02:56.000 Net neutrality is about the government trying to intrude on that relationship and dictating what kind of business arrangement you can come to with Comcast.

01:03:04.000 And it's going to say, Comcast, you cannot offer this package of services.

01:03:07.000 You cannot suggest to the customer that there might be a higher tier service for people who pay more, just like, you know, you can get a better car if you pay more, or you can, you know, get anything else in life.

01:03:16.000 If you've got more money, you get a better version of it, right?

01:03:18.000 You can't do any of that.

01:03:19.000 We're going to insist because we've got this crazy idea that the internet is some kind of utility, you know, like water or something.

01:03:25.000 We're going to come in here and we're going to regulate and control the relationship that you, a private company, have with you, a private individual.

01:03:33.000 That is at its essence a free speech argument because of what happens when you start regulating that traffic.

01:03:39.000 The internet traffic that is split down, some of it's for Netflix, some of it's for email, some of it's for whatever, the way in which certain things get, you know, what it wants to do is say that all traffic is neutral, that it's all equal.

01:03:51.000 Right.

01:03:51.000 But do you not see the benefit of that?

01:03:53.000 Do you not see that people would be able to do that?

01:03:56.000 But do you not see that people would be concerned with the government being able to throttle internet away and put power into corporations, have them have the ability to decide how much bandwidth goes to the corporate system?

01:04:08.000 Americans worrying about the power of corporations.

01:04:12.000 But it's not just worrying about it, it's knowing the fact that this has been done illegally already without the regulation.

01:04:17.000 Do you think for a second that if the government is given the power to regulate how an internet service provider delivers its packets of data to consumers, they're not going to then start to wonder what's in those packets and then start to say, well, actually, you know what?

01:04:31.000 The net neutrality thing was fine.

01:04:32.000 Like it was a really good idea and we loved it and we were really happy to bring that to you.

01:04:35.000 But actually we've decided that this kind of data is more important.

01:04:37.000 So we're going to let you do that.

01:04:39.000 Or indeed we're going to insist that you prioritize this kind of data.

01:04:42.000 And that has consequences for the free market.

01:04:44.000 That has consequences for businesses.

01:04:45.000 For example, enforcing...

01:04:50.000 Well that's why an open internet where everyone has access to the same sort of service is what everybody wants.

01:04:56.000 No.

01:04:57.000 I mean that's what we want.

01:04:58.000 I mean that there is the argument in America.

01:05:00.000 There's an argument that insisting that all packets of data on the internet are treated equally favors new startups into the market because they don't have to compete with incumbents who have privileged access to high-speed products.

01:05:12.000 That's one aspect of it.

01:05:13.000 Sure.

01:05:13.000 That's an argument.

01:05:15.000 Sure.

01:05:15.000 But it's not just startups, it's people like me that are able to broadcast things.

01:05:19.000 People that want to set up their own servers and put together their own website that does whatever the fuck they want it to do.

01:05:24.000 The idea that that could be regulated and somehow or another you can't do it.

01:05:28.000 But you're just using the word the wrong way around.

01:05:31.000 It's not about regulation.

01:05:31.000 It's the absence of regulation.

01:05:34.000 I am speaking for the absence of regulation.

01:05:36.000 I'm saying we should not regulate that.

01:05:37.000 We should allow private companies, private, you know, to sell and do and have whatever influence they want over the internet.

01:05:44.000 And if, you know, look, the market works in these situations.

01:05:48.000 Look what happens when ISPs try to manipulate Netflix traffic.

01:05:52.000 Customers complain and they have to stop and they have to put it back again.

01:05:54.000 You know, the market works so well for internet stuff because everybody on internet is so vocal.

01:05:59.000 They're online already.

01:06:00.000 They complain about it.

01:06:01.000 It takes two clicks.

01:06:02.000 The market works brilliantly for this stuff.

01:06:04.000 Why allow the government to come in and dictate to private individuals and private corporations what their business relationship should look like and the nature of the services that they provide or the money they provide one another?

01:06:15.000 That's profoundly un-American. 0.75

01:06:17.000 Well, there's a large argument against net neutrality.

01:06:20.000 There's a large argument online that we could spend hours going over the pros and cons of each side of it.

01:06:26.000 But I think ultimately people have a distrust in large corporations and a distrust in the government.

01:06:33.000 And either one of them having control of what has been like the one thing that's empowered people in this country is the ability to put out a message and to get information.

01:06:44.000 And the fact that you could do it now just because it could be throttled.

01:06:49.000 It could be limited.

01:06:51.000 It could be blocked.

01:06:53.000 Do you know what the fuck is going to do that?

01:06:54.000 Because it's not plausible.

01:06:55.000 It was a conspiracy theory.

01:06:56.000 Do you know what conspiracy theory is?

01:06:57.000 UN thing?

01:06:58.000 Have you been paying attention to the UN proposal?

01:07:01.000 No, I was the one who reported on it first.

01:07:03.000 What did it tell people then?

01:07:04.000 Okay.

01:07:05.000 So the UN Broadband Commission, which is not one of the upper echelons of the UN.

01:07:10.000 You were the one who reported on it first.

01:07:11.000 How did you get the information?

01:07:13.000 Well, so somebody else broke the story, but I was the one that reported that at length.

01:07:15.000 So my story is the one that went around the world.

01:07:17.000 Did I tweet your story?

01:07:19.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:07:20.000 Powerful.

01:07:20.000 Powerful, Nero.

01:07:22.000 Alright.

01:07:22.000 I'm kind of a big deal.

01:07:23.000 That's what I hear.

01:07:26.000 Explain the ridiculousness to this idea that the UN thinks that they're going to somehow protect women.

01:07:32.000 This is my argument, you see.

01:07:33.000 This is the government getting involved in what ISM is.

01:07:35.000 Women can do in excited. 1.00

01:07:38.000 What you're saying, people don't know.

01:07:41.000 People don't know.

01:07:41.000 The UN is saying that, and this is wacky, crazy stuff, right?

01:07:45.000 This report from the UN Broadband Commission, the UN Broadband Commission, this is what we have in Europe.

01:07:48.000 This is why I don't want you to become Europe.

01:07:50.000 Please don't become Europe. 0.77

01:07:51.000 What we have in Europe is the UN Broadband Commission is specifically set up to find ways, it is paid for by European taxpayers, and its purpose is to find ways of regulating the internet.

01:08:01.000 That is what it's for.

01:08:03.000 It has a brief to find ways of cutting down on internet freedoms.

01:08:07.000 One of the ways it's found to do that is to get a load of batshit crazy feminists in to say that people who ridicule or criticize them on the internet are in fact guilty of harassment and abuse. 1.00

01:08:15.000 And as a result, internet services should be almost pre-screened.

01:08:20.000 Words should almost be pre-screened before they ever appear on the internet.

01:08:22.000 Just the most crazy bullshit.

01:08:25.000 Only a European can come up with this. 0.68

01:08:26.000 And this report came out and it was full of holes and we examined it.

01:08:29.000 I think ours was the first report that went into detail about this.

01:08:31.000 And I read about it once or twice.

01:08:33.000 And then I wrote about it a second time.

01:08:34.000 And I think the headline was, am I the only responsible tech journalist left on the planet?

01:08:39.000 Which is the only, perhaps example.

01:08:41.000 How self-congratulatory of you?

01:08:42.000 Well, I'm actually really modest.

01:08:44.000 I'm actually really humble.

01:08:45.000 I'm like a very humble person, naturally, but my sub-editors just bully me into this stuff.

01:08:49.000 I understand.

01:08:50.000 That's how they got it.

01:08:51.000 Those clicks kind of like a lot of people.

01:08:52.000 I know, I know.

01:08:53.000 It's not me at all.

01:08:54.000 If it were up to me, I'd just be at home.

01:08:56.000 Anyway, so what they want to do is sort of like pre-brief all of this stuff, pre-check it.

01:09:01.000 And if they don't, they want to clamp down ISPs.

01:09:03.000 What you're doing right now is you're saying it's okay for the government to get involved in this kind of regulation of the private relationship that ISPs have with their customers, but it's not okay for the government to get involved in this kind of regulation.

01:09:18.000 Keep the pipes open.

01:09:19.000 Keep the pipes open to all.

01:09:21.000 Anybody put whatever they want in the internet with no restrictions.

01:09:26.000 Get out of here, everybody.

01:09:27.000 But nobody's arguing any different.

01:09:29.000 Nobody's suggesting that that's not going to be the same thing.

01:09:32.000 You think you're not until it's already in place.

01:09:34.000 I mean, the UN thing is essentially a Trojan horse, right?

01:09:37.000 I mean, that's really what it is.

01:09:38.000 That's what was so disturbing about it, is the idea that the UN could get in and get involved and somehow or another punish social media websites and make them responsible for what the users post.

01:09:51.000 Like if you post some inflammatory, ridiculous shit and they let it get into their neck.

01:09:56.000 But if you did, if you went on a fucking late-night cocaine-fueled Twitter rampage and you typed a bunch of ridiculous shit about women with no like some women are there, oh, just women.

01:09:56.000 Never.

01:10:09.000 If you went on it, if I wasn't some dreary nitpicker like you, yeah, I guess I could.

01:10:15.000 That's my Twitter program.

01:10:15.000 That's me, dude.

01:10:19.000 When you walked in, I thought, oh, here comes another dreary nitpicker.

01:10:22.000 That's my thing, man.

01:10:23.000 Everybody's got their thing.

01:10:24.000 I like to leave a mark.

01:10:25.000 You're a dreary nitpicker.

01:10:26.000 I like to leave a mark on people.

01:10:28.000 I have my hair.

01:10:28.000 You have your nitpicking.

01:10:30.000 No, I mean, look, there's actually an interesting discussion around this, and it's that it's about comment sections and commenting what people are allowed to say on the internet.

01:10:40.000 There's this huge trend at the moment, and almost every progressive publication has either closed their comment section or indicated that they might.

01:10:46.000 In the early days of the internet, you had these tech-savvy progressives, disproportionately based on in coastal cities, who said, because the only people they knew who used the internet were like them, were hipsters and coastal types, who said that the internet was going to create this extraordinary and amazing new world where everyone could express their opinions and it was going to democratize knowledge and democratize power.

01:11:08.000 And the presumption they made was that everyone on the internet was going to be nice.

01:11:11.000 Well, most people aren't very nice.

01:11:14.000 And most people particularly aren't nice.

01:11:16.000 And I mean that as a compliment, by the way, because I hate nice people.

01:11:19.000 Most people hate nice people.

01:11:20.000 Oh, God, this is boring.

01:11:21.000 I like people who are vicious and bitchy and mischievous.

01:11:24.000 Oh, you're so gay. 1.00

01:11:25.000 No, I don't...

01:11:26.000 Every time I do a show of this, it just comes back down to this.

01:11:31.000 Why do you say that?

01:11:32.000 Gavin McInnes did not even wait.

01:11:34.000 I was on his show for three minutes and he's like, do you have any idea how gay you are?

01:11:38.000 Well, that's Gavin style.

01:11:39.000 Yeah.

01:11:40.000 I'm a kinder, gentler.

01:11:41.000 You waited an hour, yes.

01:11:43.000 Yeah, an hour and five minutes.

01:11:45.000 Okay, all right, fine.

01:11:46.000 That's a good guess.

01:11:47.000 But what you just said was so gay.

01:11:49.000 I like people that are vicious and bitchy. 1.00

01:11:52.000 No, I do.

01:11:53.000 They make life so nice.

01:11:54.000 Well, there's plenty of assholes out there. 0.95

01:11:56.000 You're going to have them.

01:11:57.000 Well, the dream pickers tend to be nice, so I'm sure you get on perfectly.

01:12:01.000 How dare you?

01:12:01.000 They tend to be very pathologically nice.

01:12:04.000 How dare you?

01:12:06.000 I like people who are a bit more dangerous and interesting.

01:12:08.000 I'm always attracted to.

01:12:08.000 So you like shitty people online or shitty people.

01:12:11.000 And I like people who are more interested.

01:12:13.000 I like people who step outside the Overton window.

01:12:15.000 I like people who push the boundaries.

01:12:16.000 I like people who are dissidents.

01:12:18.000 I like people who are disreputable and mischievous and interesting.

01:12:22.000 I'm attracted to interesting people.

01:12:23.000 As I am.

01:12:24.000 Right.

01:12:25.000 Not all dreary people.

01:12:26.000 But, you know, I love people like that.

01:12:28.000 They fascinate me.

01:12:29.000 I think they're the people who push society for.

01:12:30.000 They're the people who come up with great interesting theories.

01:12:32.000 Sometimes they're just cunts, though.

01:12:33.000 Sometimes they're just cunts, but that can be funny too. 0.96

01:12:36.000 That's entertainment.

01:12:37.000 I mean, I, for example, am not going to add to the sum total of human knowledge.

01:12:41.000 I'm just going to wind a lot of people up for 30 years and hopefully something have a good book deal at the end of it.

01:12:45.000 You're going to cut yourself short.

01:12:46.000 You're making some very interesting points.

01:12:48.000 You make interesting points.

01:12:49.000 You're not going to be modest, you know?

01:12:50.000 I'm just being humble.

01:12:51.000 You make interesting points.

01:12:53.000 Let's get back to the point.

01:12:54.000 Please.

01:12:57.000 The comment section stuff, right?

01:12:58.000 This was based on a presumption that everybody on the internet was going to be like a Twitter employee or a Gawker blogger.

01:13:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:04.000 So they come up with this idea, you know, this great internet, social media, social is going to be the new thing.

01:13:08.000 The Guardian's going to throw its newsrooms open to the public on the assumption that Guardian readers and people who live in North London, which is something like Portland or Brooklyn or whatever, ish, sort of.

01:13:19.000 So North London is like the hipster enclave?

01:13:21.000 No, it's more actually sort of like posh-rich liberals, but it's not quite, it's not directly comparable, but sort of like roughly like that.

01:13:28.000 You know, they were going to be homogenous, nice, polite lefties with the correct opinions about things.

01:13:33.000 Actually, what's happened is it took longer than I anticipated, but what's happened is that ordinary people now can open Twitter accounts too and aren't sufficiently technologically educated to do so.

01:13:42.000 And what all of these progressive media companies are discovering, the mics, the Voxes, the BuzzFeeds, the hawkers of this world are discovering, that most people don't agree with them.

01:13:51.000 They are just, they've never, I know, it's shocking, but most people don't believe you should kill all men.

01:13:57.000 Most people don't believe that white people, that black people can't be racist. 0.70

01:14:01.000 Most people don't believe in this language.

01:14:03.000 You don't believe everything on salon.com.

01:14:06.000 Nobody believes everything on salon.

01:14:07.000 Salon doesn't believe what's on salon.com.

01:14:09.000 Look, it's impossible to believe those things in good faith because you have to lie so much to yourself and to others in order to make those arguments.

01:14:17.000 It is one long practical joke, that side.

01:14:20.000 It is just a gigantic piece of satire.

01:14:22.000 I'm convinced it's funded by the Koch brothers to discredit liberalism.

01:14:26.000 I'm convinced.

01:14:26.000 Really?

01:14:27.000 I'm absolutely convinced.

01:14:29.000 If you trace the Salon money back far enough, you will discover the surname Koch because it is the only explanation for how badly Salon discredits progressivism.

01:14:39.000 It is the only explanation.

01:14:40.000 Just today, they published another editorial from this fucking paedophile, you know, who I wrote about, and he wouldn't even dare bring my name up because he's too scared to get into it with me because he knows he'd lose.

01:14:50.000 He published this thing about how I'm a paedophile, I don't act on it, right after I'd exposed a paedophile, Sarah Nyberg, and Gamergate, right?

01:14:57.000 And it went all over the world, and it was this huge story that I wrote.

01:15:00.000 Hold on, hold on, then I'm going to stop turning.

01:15:02.000 I exposed this pedophile.

01:15:04.000 You exposed a pedophile.

01:15:05.000 I exposed this pedophile.

01:15:07.000 She was backed up, and all the social justice warriors doubled down and protected her because she was on message, basically. 0.92

01:15:12.000 She had the right politics, so they stuck her to the kiddie fiddler. 1.00

01:15:14.000 This is the state of the modern left.

01:15:16.000 Directly after that, with coincidental timing, Salon publishes this thing by a pedophile saying, oh, I'm a pedophile, but I don't act on it, which is precisely the defense that this person has used.

01:15:26.000 So I respond, and I did a very good piece, and I urge all of your listeners to seek it out because it really is excellent journalism.

01:15:35.000 Yeah, it was called something like, This is why the left, this is why liberal, this is why progressives stick up for pedophiles.

01:15:42.000 It explains why pedophiles can get away with this stuff and why progressives and liberals back them.

01:15:50.000 You think people back pedophiles?

01:15:52.000 Yeah, who backs pedophiles?

01:15:53.000 Well, they make excuses for them.

01:15:54.000 They make excuses for them, as Salon just did today. 0.99

01:15:57.000 Today, they gave a space to this guy who is a pedophile about whom there is horrific stuff online, which hasn't come out yet, which you should watch this space for that because I know Steven Crowder knows about some of it, and so do I. Excuse me.

01:16:07.000 You should.

01:16:08.000 So this guy who wrote this guy wrote this.

01:16:10.000 Did he give a picture?

01:16:11.000 He wrote a second piece.

01:16:12.000 Yeah, yeah, under his own name.

01:16:13.000 This is how brazen they are.

01:16:14.000 Wrote a second piece for Salon today, playing the victim, saying that he came out as a paedophile and he's been subjected to right-wing hate.

01:16:23.000 Yeah, this is the right-wing machine in action.

01:16:25.000 This is the guy that only has one hand.

01:16:27.000 I'm a paedophile, and I think so.

01:16:29.000 I'm a paedophile, and I don't act on it.

01:16:31.000 And I did this piece, and everyone came out and said that it was really supportive and it was really great, and that I'd help people to get through their own experiences.

01:16:39.000 And everyone was really sympathetic, except the right-wing hate machine, meaning me, although he didn't dare mention me by name.

01:16:45.000 You are the right-wing hate machine?

01:16:47.000 Well, apparently, according to him.

01:16:50.000 Except the right-wing hate machine had the temerity to say, we think Peter Philly is wrong.

01:16:55.000 And why is Salon giving a platform to this guy when there's so much dirt on the internet suggesting that he has physically touched young girls, for example?

01:17:04.000 Yeah, there is.

01:17:05.000 Okay, well, that's a completely different argument, right?

01:17:07.000 Well, this is the thing, Salon gave a platform to this guy.

01:17:10.000 And Salon ought to have known about this allegation.

01:17:12.000 If you're going to make space on your platform for a self-confessed pedophile, and you will only find this on the left.

01:17:18.000 This is what I mean by the left sticking up for pedophiles.

01:17:19.000 They make excuses and they try to legitimize them.

01:17:22.000 They try to habilitate this as an unfortunate sexual orientation rather than these people being dangerous predators that we need to be protected from.

01:17:31.000 But I've never seen that, but you're saying this.

01:17:33.000 All I've seen is you should pay attention with this guy discussing this.

01:17:37.000 But no, honestly, all bullshit aside.

01:17:40.000 Psychologists and sociologists and neuroscientists have tried to figure out what it is that causes someone to have these desires.

01:17:47.000 But we know from the transgender debate, the left doesn't care about that. 0.56

01:17:49.000 What it cares about is where it can place people in the oppression Olympics, in the victim hierarchy. 0.72

01:17:53.000 And that is the worry.

01:17:57.000 I'm warning you now.

01:17:59.000 Pedophiles Are going to be the next transgender's been won now. 1.00

01:18:02.000 They've won that battle.

01:18:03.000 It's over.

01:18:04.000 Do you think so?

01:18:05.000 Yes, honestly.

01:18:06.000 Absolutely.

01:18:06.000 It's done and dusted.

01:18:07.000 We lost.

01:18:07.000 Well, don't you think so?

01:18:08.000 We lost.

01:18:08.000 And by we, I mean people who actually wanted to find out what the science said, to continue to invest in things that are now unfundable, certain bits of research that don't agree with the progressive consensus, which you now can't get funding for.

01:18:19.000 That consensus is dominant.

01:18:21.000 What kind of research?

01:18:22.000 Well, so the transgender question is complex and difficult.

01:18:28.000 And for example, Johns Hopkins doesn't do the surgeries anymore.

01:18:31.000 The guy who used to run it there is a very outspoken critic of transition surgeries.

01:18:34.000 This is not the best treatment pathway.

01:18:36.000 They all end up killing themselves anyway.

01:18:37.000 There's by most metrics no improvement in suicide rates.

01:18:40.000 My view on this is, you know, we're probably going to look back in 30 years and wonder how we could ever have been so cruel as to allow somebody with a psychiatric delusion to start hacking at themselves to make reality conform to their own delusions.

01:18:51.000 But by we earlier, what I meant was people who want to be science-led on this.

01:18:54.000 And instead, what the left very, it was there on the cover of Time magazine.

01:18:59.000 The trans thing is the next civil rights frontier.

01:19:01.000 They very clearly articulated, they gave us all the clues we needed to work out how they were going to fight this one, right?

01:19:05.000 And we just didn't pay any attention at the time, or some people didn't.

01:19:09.000 They set it up as the next gay or the next bisexual or the next lesbian. 0.84

01:19:14.000 It's just the next frontier in the civil rights struggle.

01:19:16.000 I'm telling you, pedophilia is the one after that.

01:19:19.000 Don't you think that if you are a person and you are of sound mind and body and you have a desire to be a woman and you've had this desire your whole life, but you were born a man.

01:19:31.000 Shouldn't you be able to do whatever the fuck you want to do?

01:19:35.000 There are people who wake up one day and think their arm doesn't belong to them.

01:19:38.000 We don't cut their arm off because they think it doesn't belong to them.

01:19:41.000 There are people who believe it's a little bit more difficult.

01:19:41.000 How about people like that?

01:19:42.000 It would look cool to have someone draw on you permanently.

01:19:45.000 I think it looks hot.

01:19:46.000 Thank you very much.

01:19:47.000 I like it too.

01:19:49.000 But I'm a fan of tattoos.

01:19:50.000 But you know what I'm saying?

01:19:51.000 How far does sleeves?

01:19:53.000 Just sleeves.

01:19:53.000 But you see my point?

01:19:55.000 Like, why?

01:19:57.000 You're creating tattoos with being a bad person.

01:19:59.000 It's a personal choice.

01:20:00.000 It's a personal permanent choice.

01:20:01.000 There is a view that you should be able to do whatever you want to your body.

01:20:04.000 My argument will be, yeah, fine, but don't make the state pay for it.

01:20:06.000 I don't want to pay for that.

01:20:08.000 If someone would kick your cock off because you're mentally ill, I will try to dissuade you from doing it.

01:20:13.000 and I should have a right to say in a national newspaper, which now you don't, please don't do this.

01:20:18.000 Well, I think the argument...

01:20:21.000 You cannot get published by saying, please don't have transition surgery.

01:20:24.000 It's the wrong treatment pathway.

01:20:25.000 You cannot get published.

01:20:27.000 Because of public opinion, because of people who are worried about the blowback from the left.

01:20:30.000 And the extreme left.

01:20:30.000 Right.

01:20:32.000 I mean, if ever you needed evidence that the trannies are mentally ill, it's tranny campaigners. 1.00

01:20:36.000 I mean, the transgender lobby are nuts. 1.00

01:20:39.000 The reason journalists don't want to write about this stuff or don't want to enter the dangerous territory is that what they are on the receiving end of afterwards is just, I mean, I've had it.

01:20:47.000 Well, I've had it too.

01:20:48.000 Are you aware of my confrontation?

01:20:51.000 The nature of it.

01:20:52.000 Yeah, yeah, no, no, the fighting.

01:20:53.000 Yeah, yeah, of course.

01:20:53.000 The martial arts.

01:20:54.000 And, you know, you're right about that.

01:20:55.000 It's so unfair.

01:20:56.000 You know, these women who are going to get crap beaten out of them by somebody who's not a woman. 1.00

01:21:00.000 It's only unfair if you don't say that you used to be a man.

01:21:04.000 But you should give people have the ability for the option to opt out.

01:21:08.000 And they shouldn't, I mean, what are we going to do?

01:21:10.000 So any man who wants to be a women's MMA fighter, we're just going to basically give him a gold-lined pathway to the championship because no woman's going to want to get in a ring with him and have her jaw broken. 0.99

01:21:21.000 That's not okay.

01:21:22.000 I think it's perfectly reasonable to say if you weren't born a woman, you don't get to fight in a women's competition. 0.92

01:21:27.000 I think that's perfectly reasonable.

01:21:29.000 Yeah, perfectly reasonable and objective.

01:21:33.000 And scientifically valid, too, that the science behind it.

01:21:37.000 You and I are both on the wrong side of popular opinion on this one.

01:21:40.000 But yeah, but we're not.

01:21:42.000 I don't know.

01:21:42.000 I don't know what ordinary people think.

01:21:44.000 No, not what ordinary people think.

01:21:45.000 But the media and the political establishment have made up their minds on this, and it's gone.

01:21:49.000 It's gone.

01:21:49.000 But how did the media?

01:21:51.000 That is interesting though.

01:21:51.000 The right gets this wrong every day.

01:21:53.000 The reason I win.

01:21:55.000 I think there's no repercussions in supporting it.

01:21:57.000 That's why.

01:21:58.000 There's no repercussions in supporting transgender.

01:22:02.000 We ought to.

01:22:03.000 I mean, look.

01:22:04.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:22:05.000 I mean, if you say, hey, it's a woman, get over it. 1.00

01:22:08.000 She should be able to fight men.

01:22:09.000 There's no repercussions.

01:22:11.000 But if you say, you're out of your fucking mind, man, man, victimhood, and all the rest of it.

01:22:17.000 Yes.

01:22:17.000 No, that's true.

01:22:18.000 But that is entirely a construction of the left.

01:22:21.000 Well, people are.

01:22:22.000 It's entirely a construction of the left.

01:22:22.000 Yeah.

01:22:24.000 The aggressive progressives.

01:22:25.000 The aggressive progressives, and these people who you dismissed earlier as fringe nut cases, they have entirely dictated what you're allowed to say on that subject.

01:22:32.000 And if you don't say the right thing, from what an analysis is.

01:22:35.000 This is what I think.

01:22:35.000 I think it goes like this.

01:22:37.000 And then it comes back.

01:22:39.000 Right now it's coming back.

01:22:40.000 That's why you're here.

01:22:41.000 Give me an example of what's come back.

01:22:43.000 Come back right now.

01:22:45.000 After progressives have won a society.

01:22:51.000 Progressive aren't winning shit.

01:22:52.000 Listen, those progressives, what is they won gay marriage?

01:23:01.000 The main say so.

01:23:02.000 You don't?

01:23:02.000 They absolutely do.

01:23:04.000 You don't think gay marriage is good because you don't want to get married. 1.00

01:23:05.000 You want to have an excuse?

01:23:07.000 Well, okay.

01:23:08.000 Just hold around town.

01:23:10.000 Yeah, okay.

01:23:11.000 That's what it is.

01:23:12.000 You know what?

01:23:13.000 I don't want gays to become so bourgeois. 1.00

01:23:15.000 We start to be judged by other people's standards.

01:23:17.000 Being born gay is not fun. 1.00

01:23:19.000 And if you have to be gay, if you have to, you know, dirty anal says, look, I'm having a wonderful time.

01:23:25.000 I love me.

01:23:26.000 I am a no stretch of the imagination self-loathing.

01:23:28.000 I'm very happy with who I am.

01:23:29.000 So how is it?

01:23:30.000 Very happy with my sex life.

01:23:31.000 Well, because it hasn't been an easy road to this now.

01:23:34.000 Would you rather be gay or be that fat lady from Kentucky that won't marry gay people? 1.00

01:23:39.000 Kim Davis?

01:23:40.000 Yes.

01:23:40.000 Who would you rather be?

01:23:41.000 Me or Kim Davis?

01:23:42.000 Shit got fucked over way worse than me.

01:23:43.000 Me or Kim Davis, no I think.

01:23:45.000 She got the shittiest goddamn genetic roll of the dice possible. 1.00

01:23:48.000 It's not a difficult thing.

01:23:49.000 Not a difficult thing.

01:23:49.000 She's a weird, southern, fucking blotchy skin.

01:23:53.000 If I were heterosexual, I wouldn't be Kim Davis.

01:23:54.000 I'd be Kim Kardashian.

01:23:56.000 I doubt it.

01:23:58.000 Not if you were born in her life and lived her life and had that fucking body in that. 1.00

01:24:02.000 I have the actual genetic fucking snake.

01:24:05.000 I've probably had sex with more black men than their entire family. 0.99

01:24:08.000 She got snake eyes. 0.94

01:24:10.000 I know.

01:24:11.000 I think she's hot. 1.00

01:24:12.000 I could have been a Kardashian.

01:24:12.000 Listen.

01:24:13.000 I wish I was stupid.

01:24:14.000 I could have been such a great bimbo.

01:24:17.000 Do you think so?

01:24:17.000 I would have been so good at it.

01:24:18.000 I would have been so good at it.

01:24:19.000 I don't think so.

01:24:20.000 My intelligence has been a curse.

01:24:21.000 I don't think you're ruthless enough.

01:24:22.000 Maybe.

01:24:23.000 You're kind of a nice guy.

01:24:24.000 There's a secret thing I don't like to tell you.

01:24:26.000 You think too much, and it's also you like contemplating things.

01:24:29.000 And even though you make rash generalizations, you're obviously well studied on each individual issue.

01:24:35.000 You generalize.

01:24:35.000 You're a dreary nitpicker.

01:24:39.000 Dreary nitpicking.

01:24:40.000 This is it now.

01:24:41.000 I'm changing you on my phone.

01:24:42.000 Thank you.

01:24:43.000 I like it.

01:24:45.000 You know, I think we see a lot of these things.

01:24:50.000 I think we have a lot of ideas in common.

01:24:51.000 A lot.

01:24:52.000 I think that I'm trying.

01:24:56.000 I do stick up for men.

01:24:57.000 I just stick a lot of money.

01:24:58.000 A lot of them are pussies and tell them to stop being pussies because it's not a good idea. 1.00

01:25:00.000 That's true.

01:25:01.000 That's the reality of a lot of men.

01:25:03.000 It's not that easy for somebody.

01:25:04.000 Exactly.

01:25:05.000 That's why some people rise to the top and most don't, because it's not easy.

01:25:08.000 Of course.

01:25:09.000 Wake up, son.

01:25:11.000 Get out of the bed and get your fucking shit in order.

01:25:14.000 I am the biggest meritocrat you will ever meet.

01:25:16.000 Rise!

01:25:17.000 You can keep just holding it.

01:25:18.000 Don't let anybody fucking tell you you can't.

01:25:21.000 God damn it.

01:25:22.000 You don't need to have your hand held and laws changed.

01:25:25.000 And we need to make it safer for men.

01:25:27.000 We need a men's space. 1.00

01:25:30.000 Men in this country are being ignored by women.

01:25:32.000 And we have to put a stop to that.

01:25:34.000 They're not attractive.

01:25:34.000 You're not gonna.

01:25:35.000 Why are they not attractive?

01:25:36.000 Because women are smart. 1.00

01:25:38.000 They know these guys are pussies. 0.99

01:25:39.000 They don't want this pussy shooting a fucking disease load inside of them and making some dumb fucking kid that they have to raise. 1.00

01:25:46.000 They don't want it.

01:25:47.000 So they reject these fools.

01:25:49.000 These fools are there because you can get meat on a little styrofoam plate at a fucking supermarket.

01:25:55.000 It's too easy to buy milk.

01:25:56.000 It's too easy to get your vegetables.

01:25:58.000 You don't have to do a goddamn thing.

01:26:00.000 It's easy.

01:26:01.000 That's why.

01:26:02.000 That's why these guys are pussies. 1.00

01:26:04.000 Because the world is soft.

01:26:05.000 They're like lottery winners.

01:26:07.000 You ever met a lottery winner?

01:26:08.000 They never keep their money.

01:26:09.000 No.

01:26:09.000 Because it's too fucking easy.

01:26:11.000 They don't appreciate it.

01:26:12.000 And these guys that have gotten through this shitty, dull, gray life.

01:26:19.000 The women don't like me. 1.00

01:26:21.000 You don't even like you.

01:26:21.000 Of course I don't like you.

01:26:23.000 Become someone somebody would like, you fuck. 0.89

01:26:26.000 That's the solution.

01:26:27.000 It's not change the laws or get on the top of a mountain with a torch.

01:26:31.000 We have to stop these women from ruining these men. 1.00

01:26:33.000 Look at the men.

01:26:34.000 They're running away.

01:26:35.000 They're running away to be by themselves because the women won't have them anymore. 1.00

01:26:39.000 Who will?

01:26:40.000 They don't even like themselves.

01:26:44.000 You got to understand, dude, I'm with you on a lot of this.

01:26:47.000 Okay.

01:26:47.000 Don't stick up for pussies.

01:26:49.000 It's not good for them.

01:26:50.000 It's not good for anybody.

01:26:52.000 I want them to have self-confidence.

01:26:53.000 I want them to work out.

01:26:54.000 This ain't the way to do it.

01:26:55.000 Hold their hand.

01:26:56.000 Fucking let them cry in your expensive suit.

01:26:59.000 I think, I wouldn't let them near it.

01:27:03.000 Is that a great line in, is it The Lost World, the second Jurassic Park movie?

01:27:07.000 It's like, careful, this suit costs more than your education.

01:27:10.000 I'm not a big fan of the military.

01:27:12.000 I'm not a big fan of people I care about and love joining the army, going over and killing people overseas, unless it's absolutely necessary, of course.

01:27:19.000 But I'm a big fan of, I think a lot of people would benefit from fucking boot camp.

01:27:25.000 I think there's a lot of people who are not.

01:27:26.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:27:26.000 I don't disagree with you, and I might not be such a fucking pansy if I'd had it.

01:27:30.000 People be uncomfortable, goddammit.

01:27:32.000 No, I mean, like, you know, if I'd been through boot camp, I might not have chosen to be gay.

01:27:36.000 What?

01:27:37.000 That's probably been the number one spot.

01:27:39.000 I think more people are gay in boot camp than anywhere.

01:27:41.000 They actually go now.

01:27:41.000 Do you think they are?

01:27:42.000 They get generals.

01:27:43.000 They're going now.

01:27:44.000 Fucking 30 guys bunking up together.

01:27:46.000 You don't think a few guys sneak off at all.

01:27:48.000 I had that at school.

01:27:49.000 Man, that's what I'm saying.

01:27:50.000 I was working my way through the cricket team.

01:27:51.000 Especially when they're on a boat.

01:27:52.000 We didn't have a bunch of navy guys.

01:27:56.000 Yeah, the navies.

01:27:57.000 Why would you say that smells?

01:27:59.000 We like black guys.

01:28:00.000 That was the joke was.

01:28:01.000 But cricket, you get some Indian dudes, right? 1.00

01:28:03.000 They're pretty good at cricket.

01:28:04.000 Yeah.

01:28:05.000 Not Indian dudes? 0.99

01:28:06.000 Too much curry?

01:28:07.000 Too much curry.

01:28:08.000 No.

01:28:09.000 Smells.

01:28:09.000 The look.

01:28:10.000 You're not allowed to say that.

01:28:11.000 Thin noses?

01:28:11.000 You're not allowed to say that, but it's not a race thing.

01:28:13.000 It's not a race thing.

01:28:14.000 But there's a certain diet, like in Bengali, Bangladeshis.

01:28:18.000 They have a certain diet, and it's a very particular odour.

01:28:23.000 And I could say this as somebody who's banged a lot of Asian guys. 1.00

01:28:26.000 There's a very particular odour to Bengalis, to Bangladeshis. 1.00

01:28:29.000 It's very highly spiced fish, that kind of stuff.

01:28:29.000 Because of the kind of food they eat.

01:28:31.000 That's interesting.

01:28:31.000 You can't be afraid of that.

01:28:32.000 It's not a race.

01:28:33.000 I think that's a lot of people as Asia.

01:28:34.000 That's interesting.

01:28:35.000 we call them Asians the subcontinent but you know My cleaner is a Ghanaian.

01:28:42.000 My maid is a Ghanaian Muslim.

01:28:46.000 And I'm such a good person.

01:28:47.000 Ghanaian.

01:28:47.000 Ghanaian?

01:28:48.000 Like Ghanaian from Ghana. 1.00

01:28:49.000 From Ghana.

01:28:50.000 From Ghana, yeah.

01:28:51.000 I'm a really good person, so I let her keep her Quran in my house and stuff, even though it's a bit like kind of, it's a bit terrifying. 1.00

01:28:55.000 Really?

01:28:56.000 Just so she reads the Quran or you're like, I'm in and she's praying, and I'm like, I hope I'm not paying attention to her.

01:29:00.000 Am I paying for this?

01:29:01.000 No, but what I quite often do during Ramadan is I reheat last night's KFC just to torture her. 1.00

01:29:10.000 But she has a very pungent aroma.

01:29:13.000 Yeah.

01:29:15.000 Is that a race thing?

01:29:15.000 Are you even allowed to say that?

01:29:16.000 Are you allowed to point it out?

01:29:17.000 You're not supposed to, really.

01:29:19.000 It's like saying men are different from women.

01:29:21.000 you're not really supposed to say it anymore.

01:29:22.000 But no, there is a certain...

01:29:26.000 I'm always asking her if she's got hot sons, and she will never tell me.

01:29:28.000 I wonder why.

01:29:29.000 I quite like it.

01:29:31.000 But it is definitely there.

01:29:32.000 I mean, like, if she's been in and she's been mopping and whatever, and she's left, and like two hours later and I come home, I know she's been there.

01:29:39.000 Wow, that's bizarre.

01:29:40.000 You're like a wolf.

01:29:42.000 I do have a really good sense of smell, actually.

01:29:44.000 That's weird for a gay guy. 0.56

01:29:45.000 Why?

01:29:46.000 Because I would think dudes smell like shit.

01:29:48.000 No.

01:29:49.000 Dude, they're stinky.

01:29:50.000 I would think that would be like women. 1.00

01:29:52.000 They put flowers, perfume.

01:29:54.000 No, but women quite like how men smell, so imagine men into men, they quite like it. 0.97

01:29:57.000 That does.

01:29:57.000 Oh, okay.

01:29:58.000 So some guys like B.O. Yeah, some guys smell bad.

01:29:58.000 Yeah.

01:30:02.000 I perspire quite a lot, but I don't smell.

01:30:04.000 Like, if I get, I get sort of, this is grotesque, but let's change the subject.

01:30:10.000 I know women that like the way dudes stink when they get back from the gym. 1.00

01:30:14.000 No, I quite like that.

01:30:15.000 I quite like that.

01:30:15.000 Fucking stink.

01:30:16.000 It's hot.

01:30:16.000 They like it.

01:30:17.000 Dirty bitches. 1.00

01:30:18.000 Dirty.

01:30:19.000 I would be such a horror.

01:30:20.000 Such a horror.

01:30:22.000 Well, you know, there was a smile.

01:30:23.000 There was a study.

01:30:24.000 I'd be such a slut. 1.00

01:30:25.000 I'd be pregnant at 12.

01:30:26.000 I would have had so many abortions by now. 1.00

01:30:28.000 Wow.

01:30:30.000 There was a University of Rome, I believe, did a study on homosexuality, and they had a theory that the reason why people became gay was a variation on the X chromosome.

01:30:42.000 And so there was a disproportionate amount of homosexual men that were birthed from women that were promiscuous. 0.65

01:30:49.000 Such exceedingly promiscuous women. 1.00

01:30:50.000 I think it's how terrible women are. 1.00

01:30:53.000 I think some men just see it really early and think, that is so much crazy just to come in something.

01:30:58.000 I have to deal with that.

01:30:59.000 I'm going to go with boys.

01:30:59.000 No, thank you.

01:31:00.000 That's so ridiculous.

01:31:02.000 Come into you as a straight man.

01:31:03.000 You're talking nonsense.

01:31:04.000 Women, for the most part, are great. 1.00

01:31:06.000 I went gay to get at my mother. 0.88

01:31:08.000 It's revenge?

01:31:08.000 That's how?

01:31:09.000 Yeah.

01:31:10.000 I'm kind of a revenge homosexual.

01:31:11.000 Like a wolf.

01:31:12.000 Like a werewolf.

01:31:13.000 Is that like a werewolf?

01:31:14.000 Yeah, like the full moon.

01:31:16.000 Your mother turned you. 0.84

01:31:17.000 Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:31:19.000 It's tired.

01:31:19.000 Yeah.

01:31:20.000 No, so I went, and because it wasn't sufficiently scandalous that I lost my virginity in an interracial five, some of the drag queen. 0.89

01:31:27.000 That's not enough?

01:31:28.000 No, so I started bringing it.

01:31:29.000 I started bringing, I don't know, like 13, maybe five.

01:31:31.000 13?

01:31:32.000 Drag Queen? 0.86

01:31:33.000 Interracial 57? 0.84

01:31:34.000 Drag Queen Five Some, yeah, it's great.

01:31:35.000 That's the first one?

01:31:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:31:38.000 I was fucked for life.

01:31:39.000 That's how you get going.

01:31:40.000 No, so I started to bring home black guys instead, and that she was upset about.

01:31:48.000 No, I think it was just that she was just coming down and there were just these black guys with cocaine and pills out on the breakfast table at the same time. 0.60

01:31:55.000 How old were you?

01:31:57.000 14 or something.

01:31:58.000 Yeah, I'd think people would have a problem with that.

01:32:00.000 How old were the black guys?

01:32:01.000 A couple of years older, not hugely older.

01:32:03.000 They went to the bad schools.

01:32:04.000 I went to the bad school, and they went to the bad school down the road.

01:32:06.000 The bad school.

01:32:07.000 The baddies.

01:32:08.000 We didn't have black people in my school.

01:32:09.000 Doing blow and fucking their son.

01:32:11.000 So hot.

01:32:12.000 So yeah, and then it just sort of got stuck in a rut, and now it's kind of a bad habit.

01:32:17.000 But you know, I wrote a column about this, like I'm so bored of being gay. 0.85

01:32:20.000 And everybody took it as a joke, but it's actually one of the most serious things I've ever written.

01:32:24.000 I'm only really attracted to things that are transgressive, that are naughty. 1.00

01:32:27.000 And I spoke about this earlier.

01:32:28.000 Like, I like dangerous, difficult people.

01:32:30.000 I'm only really sexually excited by things that are forbidden.

01:32:33.000 And now gay people are endlessly molly-coddled and flattered and sucked up to in society. 1.00

01:32:39.000 It's kind of the sex has lost its luster for me.

01:32:44.000 I'm thinking that I might go heterosexual.

01:32:48.000 I might do something.

01:32:49.000 I don't think they're going to take you.

01:32:50.000 I think I might do something forbidden.

01:32:52.000 I might do something that is going to invite ridicule and criticism and is going to give me a more difficult life.

01:32:57.000 I might become a straight white male. 0.59

01:32:59.000 With all due respect, I think you'll find it very difficult to find suitors that are worthy of your appearance.

01:33:06.000 If you're a woman, you can dance back and forth through those worlds with little to no worries.

01:33:13.000 Well, women go backwards and forwards all the time. 1.00

01:33:16.000 Once you suck a few cocks and take some dick and get fucked by five guys, one of them is a drag queen. 1.00

01:33:23.000 You tell a story.

01:33:24.000 Coke and black guys fucked up. 1.00

01:33:25.000 I didn't say I got fucked five times.

01:33:27.000 I said that I think I've got 55 some people.

01:33:28.000 They're going to think about that.

01:33:30.000 Would that worry them?

01:33:31.000 Yeah, they're just going to go, this guy's just too gay. 1.00

01:33:33.000 I just can't trust him.

01:33:35.000 But they love me.

01:33:36.000 Like, I'm surrounded by women all the time. 1.00

01:33:37.000 In a friendly way.

01:33:38.000 No, but I wouldn't be able to do that.

01:33:39.000 You're adorable.

01:33:39.000 No, but them.

01:33:40.000 Like a gay friend.

01:33:40.000 Thank you.

01:33:41.000 That's what you are.

01:33:42.000 Do you understand the difference?

01:33:42.000 But they let me fuck them.

01:33:43.000 Somebody let me fuck them. 1.00

01:33:44.000 Some of them.

01:33:45.000 Yeah.

01:33:45.000 But would you like to fucking fucking fucking fuck with the ones who would let you fuck them?

01:33:48.000 No.

01:33:49.000 No, but I'm kind of thinking now the sexy boring.

01:33:52.000 You're trying to be nice to your friends.

01:33:53.000 I'm just waiting for you.

01:33:54.000 The ones that'll let you fuck them. 1.00

01:33:56.000 No, you're probably right.

01:33:57.000 I'm right.

01:33:58.000 Trust me.

01:33:58.000 The hot ones.

01:33:59.000 They're going to fuck a guy who never had a doubt.

01:34:03.000 It's all mad.

01:34:04.000 It's true.

01:34:04.000 So I'm going to get really a bad quality of woman if I go straight.

01:34:04.000 That's true.

01:34:08.000 Stick with the black dudes. 1.00

01:34:09.000 Well, maybe I should go to animals or something.

01:34:10.000 No, I'm going to become a necrophile.

01:34:12.000 No.

01:34:13.000 I need to do some.

01:34:14.000 Oh, I could be a tranny.

01:34:14.000 You really flip the switch.

01:34:15.000 I'd make such a pretty girl.

01:34:17.000 Yeah, but you got to keep the dick.

01:34:18.000 Just in case you're not going to be able to do that.

01:34:19.000 You know, I would.

01:34:19.000 No, I would.

01:34:20.000 And you know what I'd also do?

01:34:21.000 Because I would make them call me she, and I would throw my toys out the primary.

01:34:24.000 How about Z?

01:34:25.000 I'd be like, I'm or Z, or my pronouns are like, here.

01:34:29.000 You know, a new one here.

01:34:30.000 Here.

01:34:31.000 My pronouns are fuck you, motherfucker.

01:34:34.000 That's amazing, the new pronouns.

01:34:36.000 Harvard University is trying to get people to use these new pronouns.

01:34:40.000 I mean, you're winning on this side of the zone.

01:34:42.000 So we'll never transition just to antagonize people because they'll be like, yeah, I still got a dick.

01:34:46.000 You still got to call me she.

01:34:47.000 That's the move, right?

01:34:48.000 Say I am a woman.

01:34:50.000 I'm going to wait until I'm in trouble.

01:34:52.000 I'm going to pull a Bradley Manning.

01:34:53.000 I'm going to wait until I get in trouble.

01:34:55.000 And then to elicit sympathy from idiots, I'm going to go trans.

01:34:59.000 Are you trying to say that that's what Bradley Manning did?

01:35:01.000 How dare you?

01:35:02.000 I would never make that implication.

01:35:03.000 Chelsea Manning, by the way.

01:35:04.000 I'm sorry, I misgendered.

01:35:06.000 I misgendered.

01:35:07.000 I still call Bruce Bruce.

01:35:09.000 Well, of course you do.

01:35:10.000 After 60 years.

01:35:11.000 Has he had it?

01:35:12.000 I don't know.

01:35:12.000 I'm not even going to be nice.

01:35:13.000 I don't give a fuck.

01:35:14.000 It's a dude.

01:35:15.000 Well, yeah, you're right.

01:35:17.000 He shouldn't be in a women's competition. 1.00

01:35:18.000 Bruce is amazing stuff in the midst of media now.

01:35:22.000 Caitlin Jenner won the men's 100 meters stuff now.

01:35:26.000 Is that what they're saying now?

01:35:27.000 Back when she won the 100 meters.

01:35:28.000 The technically correct way to describe his or her accomplishments as an athlete, the technically correct way to do it is to use the new name and the new pronoun.

01:35:39.000 But obviously she won the men's whatever. 0.98

01:35:41.000 I don't even know what's kind of sportsman's.

01:35:42.000 You know, one of the guys he competed in the Olympics with believes that this whole transition to him becoming a woman had to do with taking steroids for the Olympics.

01:35:53.000 I think after he got off the steroids.

01:35:55.000 Oh, for sure.

01:35:56.000 That's a big problem.

01:35:57.000 I mean, if you live in that family, if you live in the Kardashian family, you know, it is a war of attention seeking.

01:36:02.000 And attention seeking is something I understand.

01:36:04.000 You know, and they're constantly trying to one-up each other, and everyone thinks Kim's got the lead, and everyone thinks, oh, Kim.

01:36:12.000 And then Bruce comes out and says, I got one for you.

01:36:15.000 I got one for you.

01:36:16.000 Drops the fucking atomic bomb, the neutron bomb, whatever your weapon of mass destruction, analogy of choices, and drops this bomb.

01:36:25.000 It's like, oh yeah, Kim, I'm going to get Vanity Fair.

01:36:28.000 Watch this shit.

01:36:28.000 Yeah, watch this shit.

01:36:29.000 Well, the issue was.

01:36:30.000 Was that nobody cared about him at all for the decade he was on the show?

01:36:36.000 He was the whipping boy of the show.

01:36:37.000 And he got so sick of it, it was like, I really, really need some attention.

01:36:40.000 I live in a Kardashian family. 0.54

01:36:42.000 I've got to do something.

01:36:43.000 But I also think that he probably identified with women.

01:36:46.000 Kim is a slut. 1.00

01:36:47.000 Chloe's fat. 1.00

01:36:48.000 How do you know?

01:36:48.000 Bruce, you say Kim's a slut.

01:36:50.000 She's married with children, sir.

01:36:51.000 Look, I wasn't a judgment, trust me.

01:36:53.000 I mean, I identify with her.

01:36:54.000 I told you about it.

01:36:55.000 You know, Kim's a slut, Chloe's flat, Chloe's fat, and Bruce is a woman. 1.00

01:36:55.000 Dare you. 1.00

01:37:00.000 You know, they all have something.

01:37:02.000 Well, he certainly does now.

01:37:02.000 Right.

01:37:06.000 Well, he went in with his face, at the very least.

01:37:08.000 He turns his face into a woman's face. 0.86

01:37:10.000 So do you know what I love about the transgender debate?

01:37:12.000 I want to make a serious point about this actually.

01:37:14.000 What I love about the transgender debate is how damaging it is to feminism. 0.98

01:37:17.000 I'm trying to get all earnest about that.

01:37:18.000 That actually was my original point.

01:37:19.000 Right, this is where you were going to go, isn't it?

01:37:22.000 There's something that feminists always say about transgender, particularly the male-to-female transgenders, why do they always choose such classically feminine looks? 1.00

01:37:30.000 Why don't they become what we want, which is a sort of genderless, fat, blue-haired, armpit hell brigade? 1.00

01:37:36.000 Like, if you're going to go trans, what they want is you become genderqueer. 0.51

01:37:40.000 They want you to become, you know, some sort of ludicrous, asexual disaster of a human being. 0.88

01:37:46.000 But no, people high heels.

01:37:50.000 Men who become women become women, like very stereotypically women. 0.94

01:37:53.000 And this is interesting because this is a sort of physical manifestation of a psychological problem for feminism, and it is this. 1.00

01:38:01.000 If you accept that people can be born with the wrong brain, that a man can be born with a woman's brain, or a woman could be born with a man's brain, that goes a long way to destroying 40 years of gender politics and gender theory, which says that all sexuality and all gender is socially constructed.

01:38:16.000 Then that's why men behave like men do and women behave like women do. 1.00

01:38:20.000 If you accept and you put on the cover of Time magazine or Vanity Fair a person who has had the wrong brain in the wrong body and when they transition they take on new characteristics, new forms of behaviour and all the rest of it, you are admitting that some of these qualities are innate, are biological, that there is such a thing as a male brain and a female brain.

01:38:39.000 This is something that feminists have been denying for decades and it is incredibly damaging to the feminist project, to the idea that everything is because when they want to break down the gaps between men and women, they want to make girls play with action man and boys. 0.99

01:38:52.000 They want to rise boys up as princesses. 0.80

01:38:54.000 What they're suggesting is that all gender is taught, that it's a social construct, that we teach boys how to be boys.

01:39:00.000 So we should teach boys to be nice instead of violent.

01:39:03.000 This is the toxic masculinity thing.

01:39:06.000 What transgenderism demonstrates quite clearly, if we accept it as face value, as progressives have asked us to, is that there is indeed such a thing as a male brain, and there is indeed such a thing as a female brain.

01:39:15.000 That being the case, ordinary people have them too.

01:39:18.000 And that explains why, for example, there aren't as many women in STEM subjects. 1.00

01:39:21.000 It explains why men have certain behavioural characteristics.

01:39:23.000 And all of this stuff that feminists have been telling us is just society and patriarchy and conditioning. 1.00

01:39:28.000 Hang on a minute.

01:39:29.000 You can't hold these two beliefs simultaneously.

01:39:32.000 You cannot believe both of these things in tandem.

01:39:34.000 You have to pick one.

01:39:36.000 The reason that some people on the quiet are quite enthusiastic, on the political right are quite enthusiastic about the transgender thing, is they know it unravels the feminist project and it unravels two generations of crazy progressive feminism in one fell swoop because it demonstrates, by their own admission, what total bollocks the idea of constructed gender is. 0.73

01:39:56.000 Well, it certainly is fascinating when you watch people being celebrated for traditional feminine appearances.

01:40:02.000 Absolutely traditional, accepted feminine appearances, dresses. 0.84

01:40:05.000 But they would see Caitlin to be fat, blue, hair. 0.77

01:40:08.000 I mean, that's the most adorable thing.

01:40:08.000 Well, for sure.

01:40:10.000 But they want her to be ugly like they are. 1.00

01:40:11.000 Trans America, the cover of the Vanity Fair.

01:40:14.000 Was it Vanity Fair or New York or whichever it was?

01:40:17.000 New York.

01:40:18.000 They want her to be ugly like they are ugly. 1.00

01:40:21.000 And they are ugly, which is why they became feminists in the first place. 1.00

01:40:23.000 They're ugly, which is why they're left-wingers.

01:40:25.000 My favourite feminists are the ones that will never accept transgenders. 1.00

01:40:29.000 Oh, the turfs. 1.00

01:40:30.000 Yes.

01:40:30.000 Yeah, I love them too.

01:40:31.000 Julie Bindle is a turf. 0.98

01:40:33.000 This woman I told you about, the concentration camp woman.

01:40:35.000 She's a turf. 0.99

01:40:36.000 Or she's accused of being a turf. 1.00

01:40:38.000 These people who say that transgender women are not women because they haven't had a woman's lived experience.

01:40:43.000 In fact, all they're doing is acquiring the victimhood mantle by which they sort of admit the whole jig, you know, in the courts of this.

01:40:49.000 In order to be a turf, you have to sort of admit that there's such a thing as female privilege. 1.00

01:40:53.000 And what they're basically saying is, as a transgender person, you can never acquire the full degree of female privilege because you can't claim your oppressed victimhood status and get special dispensation.

01:41:02.000 You can't do any of those things because you're not a real woman. 1.00

01:41:04.000 You never had a woman's experience.

01:41:05.000 We don't want you.

01:41:06.000 I love them.

01:41:07.000 I love them because they're just the most brilliant example of this dysfunctional, fucked up, left-on-left violence.

01:41:12.000 It's wonderful.

01:41:13.000 Or this sort of house of cards of ludicrous theory that's totally internally inconsistent.

01:41:17.000 This is one of those times in which it just implodes.

01:41:20.000 Well, I feel like that stuff's accelerating and they're eating themselves at a staggering rate.

01:41:24.000 I wrote about this.

01:41:24.000 I wrote about this in another great piece that your listeners just...

01:41:28.000 It's called Minority Wars. 0.97

01:41:30.000 And my point in this was that if the last 10 years have been about setting men against women, and fine, you think men should just man the fuck up, and I know you're entitled to that view. 0.55

01:41:39.000 I take a slightly more compassionate view of this stuff.

01:41:43.000 If you believe that the last 10 years, I think most people do, the Progressive Project has been to set women against men, the next 10 years is going to be even worse.

01:41:49.000 The next 10 years is going to set sexuality against sexuality, race against race, gender against gender. 0.84

01:41:53.000 So you're going to get Hispanics versus blacks in America. 0.99

01:41:56.000 Hispanics, for example, that's interesting because Hispanics don't have the guilt about slavery that white people do.

01:42:02.000 So when Hispanics are running cities like Baltimore, the policing is going to be brutal. 0.96

01:42:07.000 You're never going to see anything.

01:42:08.000 Hispanics are going to run Baltimore. 1.00

01:42:09.000 You will never have seen anything like it.

01:42:13.000 Because Hispanics are going to be the demographic majority in this city.

01:42:17.000 They're going to run Baltimore and what?

01:42:18.000 Continue the drug war.

01:42:20.000 They don't have the same guilt.

01:42:21.000 They don't have the white guilt that allows Black Lives Matter to flourish, right?

01:42:25.000 The only reason Black Lives Matter is a thing is because of white guilt.

01:42:27.000 What?

01:42:28.000 You really think that?

01:42:29.000 You don't think it's because of black people are getting fed up that they see people getting shot for no reason?

01:42:33.000 They see a policing problem.

01:42:36.000 Dropping tasers on their body.

01:42:37.000 You can support black people, as indeed I do, with my body, in many cases, and nonetheless not think that Black Lives Matter is the best thing for black people. 0.94

01:42:45.000 What's wrong with Black Lives Matter? 1.00

01:42:47.000 Well, it perpetuates a culture of victimhood, which is a lot of people.

01:42:48.000 Besides that one dude that's not really black, what's his name?

01:42:51.000 Sean King.

01:42:51.000 Yeah, he's still.

01:42:52.000 You know what?

01:42:53.000 Sean King's story is amazing.

01:42:55.000 It's amazing.

01:42:56.000 This guy, and you know what?

01:42:57.000 He came back with this.

01:42:58.000 He's a female dollar. 1.00

01:43:00.000 He came back with this blog post.

01:43:01.000 You know, it's another wonderful story I broke.

01:43:03.000 He came back with this blog.

01:43:04.000 Did you break that story too?

01:43:05.000 Of course I broke that story.

01:43:06.000 How dare you?

01:43:07.000 You've been reasoning me for years without knowing it.

01:43:10.000 No, I broke that.

01:43:11.000 Well, actually, you told me about that on Twitter.

01:43:13.000 That's how I found out about that.

01:43:14.000 Yeah, because I broke that story.

01:43:16.000 So anyway, he comes back after all this reporting and says, oh, well, the man, they're right about everything, except the man on my birth certificate is not my real dad.

01:43:24.000 My mum had an affair.

01:43:25.000 Like, throws his mum under the bus.

01:43:26.000 Since my mum was a slut 30 years ago, effectively. 0.99

01:43:30.000 And I'm not getting any more into it.

01:43:31.000 I've never asked about who my dad is.

01:43:33.000 I don't know anything about him.

01:43:34.000 I've never asked in 30 years who my dad is.

01:43:37.000 Mm-hmm.

01:43:38.000 Okay, all right, fine.

01:43:39.000 The only thing I know about him, for absolute sure, I don't know his name.

01:43:39.000 Carry on.

01:43:42.000 I don't know who he is.

01:43:42.000 I don't know where he is.

01:43:43.000 But the only thing I definitely know about him is if he's black.

01:43:45.000 Isn't it possible for a DNA test?

01:43:48.000 Well, I didn't acknowledge that.

01:43:50.000 there was a black political...

01:43:54.000 Yeah, just kidding.

01:43:54.000 I'd like to come in.

01:43:55.000 Just send someone and get a cup.

01:43:56.000 You know, like they do in the movies where you should.

01:43:58.000 You should put some.

01:43:58.000 And put him on 23andMe.

01:44:00.000 But there was a black political action committee that said they'd give $25,000 to Black Lives Matter if he submitted to a DNA test.

01:44:05.000 Did he know?

01:44:06.000 He wouldn't do it.

01:44:07.000 A black political action committee said, put this to rest, we'll give $25,000 to Black Lives Matter, and he wouldn't do it.

01:44:12.000 So we're in the situation now.

01:44:14.000 Well, these things tell me all I need to know.

01:44:14.000 I know.

01:44:16.000 That's all you need to know.

01:44:16.000 Now we're in a situation where Sean King has pronounced Sean King innocent, but you're not allowed to ask any more questions, and you've just got to take his word for it.

01:44:21.000 Well, sorry, I don't.

01:44:24.000 The guy's white.

01:44:24.000 He's still a big part of Black Lives Matter?

01:44:26.000 Well, he's one of the figureheads.

01:44:28.000 Isn't it a thing like, couldn't you be white and also think that Black Lives Matter?

01:44:32.000 Like, the NWA is a lot of people.

01:44:33.000 But they don't want you.

01:44:34.000 This is identity politics.

01:44:36.000 They don't want you.

01:44:36.000 Right.

01:44:37.000 They don't want you.

01:44:38.000 You have no validity to speak on those issues.

01:44:39.000 Like, a man has no right to speak about feminism. 1.00

01:44:42.000 You know, this is why it's so damaging to Black Lives Matter, the fact that all of their figureheads seem to end up either being lunatics or being white. 0.93

01:44:49.000 What is wrong with this movement that no authentically black people seem to be able to lead it? 0.97

01:44:56.000 Yes, there's something wrong with this.

01:44:57.000 What about what's wrong with that D-Ray dude?

01:44:59.000 This prancing homosexual. 1.00

01:45:01.000 How dare you?

01:45:02.000 How dare you?

01:45:03.000 I might be gay, but he's doing well.

01:45:06.000 He's just so odious and unbearable.

01:45:09.000 And I loved, also I loved, he's probably the most unlikable person in America.

01:45:13.000 And he tweets this.

01:45:14.000 I don't think he is.

01:45:15.000 I see him.

01:45:16.000 Give these interviews.

01:45:16.000 I think he's intelligent and well-spoken.

01:45:19.000 What are you so nice about everyone except the men who need you?

01:45:23.000 Those pussies. 1.00

01:45:24.000 Man-up pussies. 0.91

01:45:25.000 Man-up pussies, but DeRay Mackison's great.

01:45:28.000 God, what's wrong with you?

01:45:29.000 He seems like a great guy.

01:45:30.000 I mean, when I've heard him interviewed, I mean, you might steer me in a way.

01:45:35.000 He's probably together with Obama, we're the only black person I'm not sexually attracted to.

01:45:39.000 Wow.

01:45:40.000 He...

01:45:43.000 What?

01:45:44.000 Well, I mean, like I would, but no, I find him sober.

01:45:49.000 Well, what's wrong?

01:45:51.000 Well, he's sort of like a sort of preening comedy homo, you know, sort of prancing around in his onesie. 1.00

01:45:58.000 There's that awful picture of him in a onesie.

01:46:00.000 He's just dreadful.

01:46:01.000 But he's a product of this terrible political establishment.

01:46:03.000 You've got to be black and gay and a rights protester. 0.92

01:46:05.000 And another of the Black Lives Matter leaders is white.

01:46:08.000 And the NAACP chapter head in Spokane in Washington is white.

01:46:16.000 What's wrong with this movement?

01:46:17.000 No, she's still in place.

01:46:18.000 Or she resigned from some things, but not all.

01:46:21.000 I'm thinking to myself, what's wrong with this movement?

01:46:23.000 That no black people seem able to lead it. 1.00

01:46:25.000 And the reason is that this framework is fueled.

01:46:27.000 This is a Soros thing.

01:46:28.000 It's fueled by white guilt and the progressive liberal establishment, which is incredibly white. 0.72

01:46:34.000 But he's really black. 0.83

01:46:36.000 Yeah, but he's not a real black, is he? 1.00

01:46:38.000 What the fuck does that mean?

01:46:40.000 What the fuck does that mean?

01:46:42.000 I don't know.

01:46:42.000 I just said it to annoy people.

01:46:44.000 My Twitter is going to be ridiculous now.

01:46:46.000 I don't even know what I mean by that.

01:46:50.000 I guess I just don't like the idea that black people can be homosexual.

01:46:52.000 What?

01:46:53.000 I like the idea that everyone...

01:47:02.000 I think it's all about my dark rape fetish.

01:47:08.000 I don't like the idea of black people as homosexuals.

01:47:11.000 It just feels wrong to me.

01:47:13.000 You got some fucking issues.

01:47:15.000 No, I just have preferences.

01:47:17.000 Those are issues.

01:47:20.000 I like to imagine they're heterosexual.

01:47:21.000 They're preferences if you're involved in potential relationships with these people.

01:47:25.000 Heterosexual heterosexuals. 0.82

01:47:27.000 Which ones to pursue and which ones not to.

01:47:29.000 This is a man you don't even know.

01:47:31.000 Oh, yeah.

01:47:31.000 And he's an activist.

01:47:33.000 And you're like, I just prefer him to not be gay. 1.00

01:47:36.000 I have a real problem with him being gay. 1.00

01:47:37.000 I have preferences.

01:47:38.000 I have a problem with him being gay. 1.00

01:47:41.000 Do you not like gay people?

01:47:42.000 No, of course I don't.

01:47:44.000 Of course I don't.

01:47:45.000 They're awful.

01:47:46.000 They're awful.

01:47:47.000 I love Dick.

01:47:48.000 I love Dick, but I hate queers. 1.00

01:47:50.000 Oh, that is fucking hilarious.

01:47:52.000 Do you like hanging out with gay people?

01:47:54.000 All of their fucking tutus and Madonna.

01:47:56.000 Like, okay, look, I have my moments with Mariah Carey.

01:48:01.000 But no, the way they behave, the music they listen to, how they dress, how they speak, and worst of all, which really fucking annoys me, it drives me absolutely crazy, the way in which gay people have now become such bullies. 1.00

01:48:11.000 They're using all the tools against other people, Christians, the bakeries, all that kind of shit that used to be used against them.

01:48:17.000 Gay people have become the worst kind of sanctimonious bullies. 1.00

01:48:20.000 And it makes me ashamed to be homosexual.

01:48:22.000 When I see the way that they bully other minorities, the way they bully religious minorities, and I think 50 years ago, this was gays. 1.00

01:48:28.000 When I see the way that gay people behave, when I see that couple, that gay couple who went to Memory's Pizza, Memories Pizza, if you'll remember, was the Christian baker who said, you know, probably wouldn't, we'd rather not K to your wedding if that's okay. 1.00

01:48:38.000 Huge media outrage because some idiot troublemaker on the left had gone basically gone outrage shopping, called up everybody in Indiana and said, will you K to, will you K to, will you K to?

01:48:47.000 Finally found somebody who said, I'd prefer not to.

01:48:49.000 Is that what they did?

01:48:51.000 They went outrage shopping?

01:48:54.000 So the reporter in question admitted that he, well, I think I didn't know what to do.

01:48:56.000 So it was in question.

01:48:57.000 It was a matter of going to Washington.

01:49:01.000 Nobody went there and got turned down and humiliated by evil Christians. 1.00

01:49:04.000 A liberal reporter went around shopping for someone who said no they wouldn't.

01:49:08.000 And it took them days to anyway.

01:49:09.000 Just like Sabrina Erdley in Rolling Stones, she went rape shopping. 1.00

01:49:13.000 Sabrina Erdley admitted that she went around looking for the most sensational rape story possible. 1.00

01:49:17.000 And of course, it turned out to be bullshit.

01:49:19.000 But I did not know, but hold on, don't mean to interrupt you, but I did not know that that was not an actual story.

01:49:26.000 It's cooked up by the media.

01:49:27.000 I thought it was a real gay couple.

01:49:29.000 This is how I fell into it.

01:49:30.000 And do you know what the real gay couples are doing today? 0.99

01:49:34.000 And this is just...

01:49:34.000 What?

01:49:35.000 It just makes me so...

01:49:38.000 They're becoming bourgeois.

01:49:39.000 They're getting a car and a kid and a pet.

01:49:40.000 And then, no, they're not having sex.

01:49:42.000 No, they're not having sex.

01:49:43.000 They're gay neighbors.

01:49:43.000 They're awful.

01:49:44.000 I hate those kind of gays the most of all. 1.00

01:49:45.000 They're terrible gays. 1.00

01:49:47.000 No, I mean, like, you know, being gay, you should be toppling out of a nightclub off your tits on ketamin at 4 p.m. on a Monday afternoon. 1.00

01:49:54.000 Call yourself a homosexual.

01:49:56.000 You drive a golf.

01:49:58.000 Like, you know, just stop it.

01:49:59.000 You've got a Rage Rover, but carry on.

01:50:01.000 Stop it.

01:50:02.000 Get the kid to school by 8.

01:50:04.000 Oh, no, I've got to get back because I've got Bridge Club at 10.

01:50:06.000 Just die.

01:50:07.000 Well, he teaches spin classes.

01:50:10.000 Like a.

01:50:11.000 God, CrossFit.

01:50:13.000 Soul cycle.

01:50:15.000 What kind of a self-respecting gay person does soul cycle? 1.00

01:50:18.000 Isn't that bad for you?

01:50:20.000 Cardio.

01:50:20.000 Cardio is good.

01:50:21.000 You want to stay thin.

01:50:22.000 How do you stay thin?

01:50:24.000 Sex and drugs.

01:50:26.000 Like any other gay person. 1.00

01:50:30.000 Crystal meth and 12-hour fuck sessions.

01:50:33.000 How do they stay thin in the 80s.

01:50:35.000 AIDS in the 80s.

01:50:36.000 Fantastic.

01:50:37.000 You know, I'd love if it.

01:50:38.000 I kind of do want it because.

01:50:40.000 Yeah, because it's not a death sentence anymore.

01:50:40.000 AIDS?

01:50:42.000 You can't die.

01:50:43.000 All the great drugs.

01:50:44.000 But if you delay taking the drugs, you get thin, you lose all your body fat.

01:50:47.000 You get so much attention.

01:50:48.000 Are you tired all the time?

01:50:49.000 I'm tired all the time now.

01:50:49.000 All the presence.

01:50:51.000 You've got way more tired.

01:50:52.000 I've got stuff.

01:50:54.000 You're talking so fast.

01:50:55.000 I don't buy the fact that you're tired all the time.

01:50:58.000 It's hard to get a word in edge-wise.

01:51:00.000 You're on fire.

01:51:00.000 I don't buy it.

01:51:01.000 You're getting tired of me.

01:51:02.000 You're going to be exhausted if you're going to be able to have sores all over your face.

01:51:05.000 You don't want that.

01:51:05.000 Actually, that's not hot.

01:51:06.000 Maybe just the early stages.

01:51:08.000 You know, like the first.

01:51:10.000 The first six months of Ebola, the first six months of AIDS are fantastic. 1.00

01:51:13.000 You lose all your body fat.

01:51:14.000 You just shit all the way out.

01:51:15.000 Yeah, but Ebola's, you get sores all over your body.

01:51:18.000 First stage, first stage.

01:51:18.000 You get it right away.

01:51:19.000 Anyway, gay couple this week, and I promise I'm going to give the subject up, but gay couple this week decide to renew their wedding vows.

01:51:27.000 Right.

01:51:28.000 And they go to Memories Pizza, and they pick up pizza, and they start parading around on stage how they got Memories Pizza at their wedding, those nasty Christians who don't want to cater gays. 1.00

01:51:36.000 And I thought to myself, and then they sort of sent these pictures to the press or whatever, and I thought to myself, what a nasty, vindictive, bitter, soulless way to treat your own wedding or your vow renewal or whatever.

01:51:47.000 You turn it into this triumphalist, bitter public political stunt.

01:51:52.000 And I thought it was so cheap and so classless.

01:51:55.000 And it represented everything that's wrong with the gay establishment today. 1.00

01:51:58.000 And it was just, I just saw that and I thought, God, I hope people don't think that about me when they know I'm gay, you know?

01:52:04.000 These preening, bitter, spiteful, nasty queers. 1.00

01:52:07.000 And I thought to myself in my head, you fucking idiots.

01:52:10.000 Like, you are doing so much damage to the public view of homosexuality.

01:52:14.000 You know, making people think that this spiteful, bitter behavior is how we all behave when we get a taste of power.

01:52:19.000 Because, of course, how we judge people, you know, one of the ways we judge people is how they behave when they're in power.

01:52:24.000 And now gays are the establishment, you know, quite a lot of people.

01:52:26.000 You think gays are in power? 1.00

01:52:28.000 Look at the disproportionate employee, you know, disproportionate numbers of homosexuals in employment in the media or whatever.

01:52:28.000 Yes, of course.

01:52:33.000 They're constantly fated and molly-coddled and celebrated. 0.57

01:52:36.000 And all of that's good.

01:52:37.000 Like, equality is great.

01:52:38.000 And, you know, all that's important.

01:52:40.000 But it's really telling how they behave when they get to that position.

01:52:43.000 See, it's such an aberration, this one couple that you're talking about.

01:52:47.000 No, because the same thing happened to Kim Davis.

01:52:49.000 The same thing happened to that other, The same thing's happening in Ireland, in England, all over the place.

01:52:59.000 Gays are becoming bullies. 1.00

01:53:01.000 And I don't like seeing it.

01:53:03.000 I think what's happening is you get a bunch of people who are unhappy that know that they can have an impact by doing a something, and they know they have a green line.

01:53:11.000 Well, they're obviously unhappy, although I wouldn't behave like this, but what I do And the gay something is we can protest in this fashion and we will get a pop. 1.00

01:53:20.000 But they've been given carte blanche to go after religious minorities because the media establishment and politicians and all the rest of it continually give the signals. 0.72

01:53:28.000 Are you on Kim Davis' side?

01:53:29.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:53:30.000 I mean, I don't...

01:53:34.000 She can't do the job.

01:53:35.000 So she probably shouldn't be in her post because she can't perform the functions of her job. 1.00

01:53:38.000 Her beliefs, if she refuses to issue those licenses, and that is the law, she can't be in her job. 1.00

01:53:44.000 But you know what's interesting?

01:53:47.000 She's these days the example of a conscientious objector.

01:53:51.000 She's an example of somebody sticking out for their beliefs or their political opinions or their life choices or their faith or whatever in the face of the law, in the face of public opinion, and in the face of received wisdom, the consensus, all the rest of it.

01:54:05.000 She is doing what gay rights campaigners were doing 50 years ago, and I think it's very telling. 1.00

01:54:10.000 Now gay people are molly-coddled and protected. 0.99

01:54:12.000 And I've been a beneficiary of that.

01:54:14.000 I've seen it in action.

01:54:15.000 The way that now they can turn around and bully religious minorities solely to feel better about themselves in this horrible, bitter way that they do. 0.97

01:54:23.000 And lesbians are the worst, by the way. 1.00

01:54:26.000 The way they now do that to people who have faith, to religious people, makes me feel slightly ill.

01:54:32.000 And I really object to it.

01:54:34.000 Let's slow down.

01:54:36.000 You're saying that she is doing what gay activists were doing?

01:54:39.000 50 years ago, which is make brave stands that get them in prison to go against the law, go against, you know.

01:54:44.000 Gay activists were never in a position to alter other people's lives or deny them of a public service that's on the books.

01:54:52.000 See, the problem with which she's not in the middle of the day.

01:54:53.000 Which is why it's right that she's used her own person.

01:54:55.000 She should never be put in prison.

01:54:57.000 But you can't compare her to any form of an activist.

01:55:00.000 Of course you can.

01:55:00.000 How could you possibly do that?

01:55:02.000 Because she's affecting other people's lives that have nothing to do with it. 0.99

01:55:05.000 It's not me that she shouldn't be in her job.

01:55:06.000 Why?

01:55:06.000 Because she can't do her job.

01:55:08.000 While the entire time being guilty of several sins.

01:55:13.000 One of them the fact that she's been a Democrat anymore. 0.97

01:55:17.000 The primary sin of a Switch Back Over.

01:55:20.000 Switched Over.

01:55:20.000 I'm not surprised after she saw what happened.

01:55:22.000 This is how the Democrats treat their own.

01:55:24.000 Well, it's how the GOP came and sucked her tips. 1.00

01:55:27.000 McCuckabe flew in in a private jet.

01:55:27.000 And of course the New York Times.

01:55:29.000 And of course the New York Times accidentally published that she was a Republican.

01:55:33.000 Of course, what a terrible mistake.

01:55:34.000 Democrat, you mean?

01:55:35.000 No, no, they published that she was a Republican.

01:55:37.000 Well, and it was initially she was a Democrat.

01:55:39.000 It was an entrepreneur.

01:55:40.000 The New York Times just assumed, without checking, that she would be a Republican. 0.98

01:55:40.000 She became a Republican. 0.98

01:55:45.000 So they printed in the newspaper that she was a Republican, because of course the New York Times did.

01:55:49.000 And then, oh, sorry, we made a mistake about that.

01:55:50.000 And of course, no one ever sees the correction.

01:55:52.000 Wasn't that what Fox News always does when someone does something creepy?

01:55:54.000 They put D next to their name.

01:55:56.000 And they find out.

01:55:58.000 Yeah, they find out.

01:55:59.000 I'm literally a Republican.

01:56:00.000 I know, I love Fox News.

01:56:01.000 I'm not going to say a bad word about Fox News.

01:56:03.000 I think it's great.

01:56:05.000 I think that the comparison is a very important thing.

01:56:06.000 It's not very bar, but it's nearly there.

01:56:08.000 The comparison is pretty ridiculous, to say that she is doing what gay activists were doing in the 1950s.

01:56:13.000 We started to find that ridiculous, but from my point of view, as somebody who is both religious and homosexual, you're religious? 0.66

01:56:20.000 Yeah, well, I mean, matrilineally speaking, I'm Jewish, but I was raised Catholic.

01:56:26.000 So what does that mean?

01:56:27.000 Are you practicing in the middle of ketamine or 12-hour fuck sessions?

01:56:32.000 Yeah, yes.

01:56:33.000 That's not very religious.

01:56:34.000 Rich older men in dresses, what's not to love. 0.82

01:56:38.000 If it hadn't been for Father Michael, I wouldn't have made nearly as much money in my 20s.

01:56:41.000 He told me to give such good head, you know.

01:56:44.000 I gave such good blowjobs after three years in choir.

01:56:47.000 No, I mean.

01:56:49.000 So you're not religious?

01:56:51.000 No, no, I believe.

01:56:52.000 I don't necessarily go to Mass all the time, but I think I'm a Catholic.

01:56:57.000 I don't call myself a Catholic, yeah.

01:56:58.000 I mean, I'm not a good Catholic, but, you know.

01:57:00.000 But when you say you believe, like, you believe in what?

01:57:02.000 The Bible?

01:57:03.000 Well, I believe in Catholicism.

01:57:05.000 I'm a Catholic, I think.

01:57:07.000 So you believe that it's a good idea to have confession?

01:57:10.000 Yeah.

01:57:10.000 And you have a dude who never has sex ever listening to fuck stories whispered through a hole in the wall.

01:57:17.000 This is like don't cut baby dicks, you know, for a. 0.88

01:57:19.000 It is.

01:57:20.000 For a for a for a dreary nitpicker, you turn a friend.

01:57:24.000 Dressed like a wizard sitting on a golden throne.

01:57:26.000 All right, we're done.

01:57:26.000 And you have to call him father.

01:57:28.000 That all makes sense to you?

01:57:29.000 I went to Catholic school, by the way.

01:57:29.000 Do you know what?

01:57:31.000 Well, do you know what?

01:57:32.000 This world could do with a bit more pomp and circumstance, a little bit more drama.

01:57:38.000 Do you know what?

01:57:38.000 This world could do with a little bit more of that.

01:57:40.000 I mean, just look at the dreary hell of the atheist art scene. 1.00

01:57:46.000 Atheist art scene?

01:57:46.000 There's some token.

01:57:47.000 It's not a contribution to human.

01:57:49.000 It's fucking searching the atheist art scene.

01:57:50.000 No, but I mean, like, you know, what I mean is, you know, if you want to look at the atheist art scene, look at almost all the good movies ever made.

01:57:58.000 Look at almost all the great albums ever made.

01:58:01.000 Look at almost all the great comedians that have ever told jokes about.

01:58:04.000 Compare Hollywood to St. Peter's Brazil. 0.68

01:58:08.000 Hollywood to the Blue Moss for the comics.

01:58:10.000 Like, if you believe comedians contribute to the same total human civilization and knowledge in the way that Michelangelo did, venters.

01:58:21.000 Oh, yes, Vantage.

01:58:22.000 Today?

01:58:24.000 Yesterday, dreary.

01:58:25.000 Boring.

01:58:25.000 Awful.

01:58:26.000 How dare you?

01:58:27.000 All of them that are religion to be intelligent.

01:58:30.000 It totally makes sense.

01:58:30.000 No, you need religion to be a good person.

01:58:32.000 But you especially need religion to be a good artist. 0.98

01:58:35.000 Well, you need to pick and choose what you do that you decide is religious and isn't. 0.53

01:58:39.000 Same with this Kim Davis lady deciding that the sins of these men were more important than their own sins.

01:58:46.000 Or you, whether you want to do ketamine and amphetamines and have sexual black guys. 0.93

01:58:52.000 You were talking about fivesoms at the age of 13.

01:58:55.000 Okay?

01:58:56.000 These are all not in the Bible.

01:58:57.000 Look in the Bible all day. 0.97

01:58:58.000 You'll never find drag queen fivesoms. 1.00

01:59:02.000 It's not in Leviticus.

01:59:04.000 It's in Leviticus.

01:59:05.000 You've got to go to the Old Testament.

01:59:07.000 I think, you know, you're looking at King James, aren't you?

01:59:10.000 If you actually check.

01:59:10.000 How about the woman?

01:59:12.000 It's right there in Leviticus.

01:59:14.000 I read the Dead Sea Scrolls in the Christian Mind with interracial cross-dressing orgies. 1.00

01:59:18.000 It's right there.

01:59:20.000 It's in my mind.

01:59:20.000 Yeah, that's the thing, though, isn't it?

01:59:24.000 If you say you're Christian and you want to be on that team, you've got to kind of say it.

01:59:28.000 You can aspire to be better than you are.

01:59:30.000 Aspire to be better than you are doesn't mean you believe in Jewish zombies.

01:59:35.000 I'm not going to win this one.

01:59:36.000 I'm not going to win this one.

01:59:37.000 Well, of course you're not.

01:59:38.000 This one's ridiculous.

01:59:40.000 This one's ridiculous.

01:59:41.000 You're talking about shit written on animal skins by people who thought the world was flat and the sun was 17 miles away.

01:59:46.000 And you're like, oh, yeah, that's going to make you a better person.

01:59:49.000 It's totally, yeah, they found it in clay pots in Qumran.

01:59:52.000 Yeah, they unscrolled it.

01:59:53.000 They had to do DNA tests to find out which piece of fucking yak ass this piece was written on. 0.99

01:59:59.000 I feel sorry for people who have a sort of bleak, empty existence of justice.

02:00:04.000 It's just so boring.

02:00:06.000 Terrible belief in nonsense is not bleak.

02:00:10.000 A lack of belief in nonsense is not bleak.

02:00:12.000 Well, you believe plenty of nonsense.

02:00:14.000 Name one thing.

02:00:14.000 Like what?

02:00:16.000 Well, you're sort of silly.

02:00:17.000 You've got a silly view on circumcision.

02:00:20.000 As we've discovered.

02:00:21.000 On baby death.

02:00:23.000 Baby dick cutting. 0.78

02:00:24.000 My God.

02:00:25.000 We agree.

02:00:26.000 For a disagree.

02:00:27.000 For a dreary nitpicker.

02:00:28.000 You're a hell of a fucking drama queen.

02:00:30.000 It's baby dick cutting. 0.90

02:00:32.000 You tell me what it is.

02:00:33.000 Tell me what it is.

02:00:35.000 What is it if it's not baby dick cutting? 0.64

02:00:36.000 I'm going to give you.

02:00:37.000 Look, you win.

02:00:38.000 I'm just going to give you a dick. 1.00

02:00:39.000 Come on.

02:00:39.000 You're the one who brought up the baby dick cutting.

02:00:43.000 Call it something else.

02:00:44.000 What is it?

02:00:45.000 I think it's good grooming.

02:00:46.000 If aliens came down from another planet and saw us cut all the baby dicks, they'd be like, what the fuck are you guys doing? 0.99

02:00:52.000 It's just good.

02:00:53.000 It's just good grooming.

02:00:54.000 Just good grooming.

02:00:55.000 Okay.

02:00:57.000 Obviously, we disagree.

02:00:58.000 What other ridiculous shit do I believe?

02:01:00.000 That's akin to Jewish zombies or guys who talk about whine and drop it. 0.99

02:01:06.000 There's nothing more depressing than seeing somebody who you admire, who's obviously smart and clever.

02:01:06.000 You know what?

02:01:13.000 Which is an old fairy tale to speak so disparagingly about such a complex and fascinating part of who we are.

02:01:23.000 You're right.

02:01:24.000 Yeah.

02:01:25.000 Totally.

02:01:26.000 Even if you take the view, let's say Ludwig Feubach, right?

02:01:28.000 Even if you take the Feubachian view and say, I don't believe in what any of these religions say, but if we look at what they have in common and what that says about the human spirit, what we aspire to, what we consider most important.

02:01:41.000 So for example, Christianity, we might consider self-sacrifice and love the most important things because self-sacrifice and love are the two central instincts that run the red threads that run through the Christian canon, run through Christian literature, run through Christian history.

02:01:53.000 If that was the voyage, is this, okay, I don't believe in this stuff, but this is an essential human artifact of human culture and history because it teaches us more about ourselves than anything else.

02:02:06.000 It teaches us over centuries as it has evolved to teach us what we find most important.

02:02:11.000 And different religions in different places are fascinating because they illustrate the different emphases on those core values of love and charity and self-sacrifice that different societies place on things.

02:02:22.000 Now, I'm not asking you to believe that when you take Holy Communion, you are ingesting the body and blood of Christ.

02:02:29.000 That's not going to happen.

02:02:31.000 But what I am suggesting is you shouldn't be such a dismissive asshole about such an integral, rich, beautiful, and crucial part of human history that teaches us so much about who we are.

02:02:43.000 Okay, first of all, this is a disingenuous argument.

02:02:46.000 This is a disingenuous argument.

02:02:48.000 Because you were mocking me about making fun of things that are absolutely preposterous.

02:02:51.000 Like coming back from the dead, healing people, turning wine.

02:02:55.000 No, what I'm saying is, even if you only believe their stories, these are the most important stories that the Western tradition, the Western tradition.

02:03:03.000 The most important stories that have ever been told.

02:03:04.000 They're folklore.

02:03:05.000 Even if you believe that, they say something deep and profound about who we are and about what we care about most, about our anxieties, about our beliefs, and about our sympathies, the way we relate to one another, the way that we talk about it.

02:03:17.000 That's adorable.

02:03:18.000 Just because you say we ought to be aware of it.

02:03:19.000 It doesn't mean it's true.

02:03:20.000 You say that we ought to advise you to do it.

02:03:21.000 He says, rationalise ridiculously.

02:03:24.000 I'm presenting one reason why you should be less flippant and dismissive about religion, because you are too smart to be that much of a cut about religion.

02:03:32.000 I'm flippant and dismissive about it because I can't believe it's still here.

02:03:35.000 You are far too smart.

02:03:37.000 You are far too intelligent an individual to treat religion with the amount of contempt you do.

02:03:42.000 This is what assholes do.

02:03:44.000 This is not what our mediocre intelligence is doing.

02:03:47.000 Exactly what you accuse feminists of doing. 1.00

02:03:50.000 You're distorting the argument.

02:03:52.000 The reality is we're talking about myths, and we're talking about people that believe those myths so much that they won't let people get married because it goes against their myths.

02:04:02.000 I'm saying you can disagree with them.

02:04:04.000 Isn't that what happened?

02:04:06.000 But that's what happened, right?

02:04:07.000 Where's the love and compassion from Kim Davis?

02:04:10.000 You can disagree with everything that they teach.

02:04:12.000 You can say that it's nonsense.

02:04:13.000 You can agree that you can, if you want to agree that it has bad consequences in society, that it's not a problem.

02:04:17.000 Well, it can have bad consequences.

02:04:19.000 What you shouldn't do is ridicule and dismiss, you know, sort of the Jewish zombie shit, right? 1.00

02:04:25.000 You're just doing it to be outrageous.

02:04:26.000 You're just doing it to me.

02:04:27.000 No, no, that's what it is.

02:04:28.000 You shouldn't do it.

02:04:29.000 And look, there's a good place to do this.

02:04:29.000 No, I'm not doing it to be outrageous.

02:04:31.000 There's a good place for outrageousness and provocation, right?

02:04:33.000 And I'm not trying to put you on trial here.

02:04:35.000 What I'm saying is you're too smart to fall into this habit.

02:04:38.000 And it's a leftist thing, this militant atheism crap, where you dismiss the central importance of religion to our culture.

02:04:45.000 And what is the central importance?

02:04:47.000 It got us through barbaric days with rules where we're worried about the consequences of God's punishing us.

02:04:47.000 Well, it's not.

02:04:54.000 Most of our laws are based on religious prescription when you get down to it.

02:04:57.000 Most of the way society is mostly the whole society is based on what's ultimately religious prescription.

02:05:03.000 My point is simply and only that if you're going to be a flippant asshole, at least acknowledge that, first of all, half the population does take this stuff seriously.

02:05:12.000 And second of all, this is important stuff that tells us about who we are.

02:05:16.000 And I think it's beneath you to be so flippant about it.

02:05:18.000 I'm flippant about feminism because feminism is not important stuff that tells us about who we are today. 1.00

02:05:23.000 It's very flippant and cruel and vindictive and spiteful and horrible about crazy feminists because they're crazy and because what they do is ridiculous. 1.00

02:05:31.000 I don't think, whether or not you're an atheist, that religion is ridiculous.

02:05:34.000 And I think it deserves a bit more respect.

02:05:35.000 Well, that's fine.

02:05:36.000 You're allowed to think it, but just because you think it doesn't mean it's right.

02:05:39.000 And the idea that it makes you a flippant asshole because you're unwilling to accept myths.

02:05:43.000 You're unwilling to accept things that make no sense whatsoever.

02:05:46.000 You're unwilling to accept things that are scientifically who you are.

02:05:53.000 I mean, you know, from the speech, speech codes that you grow up with, your moral codes on spaces.

02:06:00.000 That doesn't mean the myths aren't stupid.

02:06:02.000 No, I didn't say that.

02:06:04.000 No, you know what?

02:06:04.000 Be an atheist.

02:06:05.000 No, you know what God has to hear.

02:06:07.000 You know what God has to hear?

02:06:08.000 Your people.

02:06:09.000 Your people.

02:06:10.000 Not religion. 0.96

02:06:11.000 Your sense of right and wrong.

02:06:12.000 Religion which was created by people. 0.99

02:06:14.000 People did come from bullshit.

02:06:14.000 Your sense of right and wrong.

02:06:16.000 It comes from a non-Judeo-Christian tradition.

02:06:19.000 Bullshit.

02:06:19.000 And it's interesting.

02:06:20.000 The sense of right and wrong does not come from that.

02:06:23.000 You're very angry.

02:06:23.000 It's not true.

02:06:24.000 It's not true.

02:06:25.000 Your sense of right and wrong comes from Judaism. 1.00

02:06:27.000 Bullshit.

02:06:28.000 You've got to stop saying that because it's not true.

02:06:31.000 It's cultural.

02:06:32.000 It's cultural.

02:06:34.000 There's right and wrong in other cultures that's completely different from what we consider right and wrong in America. 0.67

02:06:39.000 Look at New Guinea.

02:06:40.000 Do you know about the sperm warriors in New Guinea?

02:06:42.000 These men that take these young boys when they're young and inseminate them, put cum in their mouths and their asses to make them grow. 1.00

02:06:49.000 They do that from the time.

02:06:50.000 They have like national faculty.

02:06:52.000 No, this is great.

02:06:54.000 It's their culture.

02:06:55.000 It's what's right and what's wrong for them.

02:06:57.000 Things that would be absolutely illegal, would lock you up in jail for in America and in Europe.

02:07:03.000 In New Guinea, this is like a great long tradition of big parts of the world.

02:07:07.000 And they're not Judeo Christians, are they?

02:07:08.000 No.

02:07:09.000 It's cultural.

02:07:10.000 Yes, exactly.

02:07:11.000 And you can even be a Christian culture.

02:07:11.000 It's cultural.

02:07:13.000 There's many things that have good values that I agree with.

02:07:16.000 Bullshit.

02:07:17.000 Bullshit.

02:07:18.000 It's an argument for me.

02:07:19.000 You made an argument for me.

02:07:20.000 You just made it.

02:07:21.000 You grew up in a place where there's Christianity, you're a good person.

02:07:23.000 This place where there's no Christianity, they come in boys' mouths. 0.99

02:07:26.000 There's one place that has a fucked up way of looking at things.

02:07:29.000 It's a cultural thing.

02:07:30.000 It has nothing to do with it.

02:07:32.000 Everywhere that doesn't have a strong Christian heritage is a fucked up place with bad morals. 1.00

02:07:36.000 That's a ridiculous statement.

02:07:38.000 That's a ridiculous statement.

02:07:40.000 Everywhere that doesn't have Judeo-Christian values is a fucked up place.

02:07:46.000 I think that, yes, I think it should be a perfectly reasonable, respectable thing to say our culture is better.

02:07:51.000 I believe our culture is better.

02:07:52.000 Our culture in the culture of Christianity are fucking each other. 0.98

02:07:57.000 European and American culture, which is based on Judeo-Christian values, is better than other cultures. 0.98

02:08:02.000 I think it's uncontroversial to say so.

02:08:04.000 But what's based on Judeo-Christian values about being a good person?

02:08:08.000 Ultimately, our voice is not a problem.

02:08:09.000 It has nothing to do with right and wrong.

02:08:11.000 It comes from the Bible.

02:08:13.000 What?

02:08:14.000 It does.

02:08:14.000 What comes from the Bible?

02:08:15.000 Ultimately, our sense of right and wrong comes from the Bible.

02:08:17.000 Our sense of right and wrong.

02:08:19.000 I think your sense of writing.

02:08:20.000 Do you think the only way that a person could have ethics and morals and treat each other?

02:08:24.000 No, I didn't say the only way to do that.

02:08:24.000 Don't you think that people understand what's good and what's that?

02:08:28.000 Listen, if we're going to have a conversation, we can't keep talking over each other like this.

02:08:31.000 When someone's trying to make a point about something that's complex like this, if you think that the only way for a person to have ethics or an understanding of each other or compassion for each other is to rely on ancient myths that are easily scientifically disproven.

02:08:46.000 Well, that's what Christianity is.

02:08:47.000 No, I didn't say that.

02:08:48.000 I said that the specific set of values that you have is influenced more than you would like to admit by your Judeo-Christian human rights.

02:08:56.000 It's influenced by the things that I think all of us have.

02:08:59.000 I mean, look, I think that some of what we would call morality obviously comes from natural revulsion, which is more like biological, right?

02:09:06.000 This is some of the prescriptions against, perhaps against murder, perhaps against child abuse, that kind of stuff, right?

02:09:10.000 That comes from a sort of natural revulsion.

02:09:12.000 And it may be an evolutionary biological imperative.

02:09:14.000 There are certain things that we just know we shouldn't do, right?

02:09:16.000 And that's our body saying, ugh, no.

02:09:18.000 Like the smell of rotten food, or stuff like that.

02:09:21.000 But there are other things that definitely come from the Judeo-Christian tradition that has defined most of what we consider to be right and wrong in the West.

02:09:30.000 And I think our society is the better for it.

02:09:32.000 And I think that our society is better than elsewhere in the world.

02:09:35.000 But you're yourself and your lifestyle is proof positive that this is the evolution of what this used to be and what it is now.

02:09:43.000 So generally speaking, I'm an outlier because, I mean, as you all know, gay people generally test higher for IQ than the rest of the population. 1.00

02:09:50.000 And lots of evolutionary biologists will suggest that people with high IQs tend to engage in dissident Or unusual habits and practices in general, because that's where Mother Nature does her experimentations, where she tests the limits of the species.

02:10:10.000 So people with very high IQ are more likely to be homosexual, goes the evolutionary biology argument, because it's in those very smart people that the sort of transgressive dissident stuff is tried out by Mother Nature. 0.57

02:10:24.000 So I would say I'm probably an outlier there as a very smart homosexual.

02:10:28.000 You know, I'm not typical of sort of mains, of the kind of bulk of the species.

02:10:34.000 Right, but what you are.

02:10:36.000 I mean, I might take it to extreme.

02:10:37.000 Who you are, but who you are.

02:10:39.000 Being a gay man.

02:10:40.000 That's promiscuous.

02:10:41.000 That's what I do.

02:10:42.000 But that is prohibited in the Bible.

02:10:45.000 Yes, but I agree that it would be better if I didn't behave like this.

02:10:49.000 And if I could be a self-loathing homosexual.

02:10:52.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

02:10:53.000 I won't have this.

02:10:53.000 You need to read a wonderful essay by Brittany.

02:10:56.000 No, I don't need to read shit.

02:10:57.000 I need to know what the fuck you're saying.

02:10:58.000 So, Brittany's.

02:10:58.000 Okay.

02:10:59.000 Because what you're saying is who you are is prohibited in the Bible.

02:11:04.000 Who you are, because I don't think my sexuality is an important part of your life.

02:11:06.000 It's a huge part of you.

02:11:07.000 You talk about it all the time.

02:11:09.000 It's a massive part of what we've talked about on this show.

02:11:11.000 I think.

02:11:12.000 It comes up anytime you want to make a funny point.

02:11:14.000 It comes up anytime you want to define your sexuality or your urges or decadence.

02:11:21.000 I think people are going to be able to do it.

02:11:22.000 I think it's you.

02:11:22.000 And you jump to it.

02:11:23.000 Well, I think people leap to the most different thing about themselves, the most unusual thing about themselves.

02:11:29.000 Anytime they want to be funny or be, you know, it's black. 1.00

02:11:34.000 Chris Rock always talks about black's the N-word.

02:11:37.000 It's why Muslim comedians only ever talk about Islam. 1.00

02:11:40.000 It's gay comedians talk about being gay. 0.53

02:11:41.000 I think you go to that because it's the most different, funny thing about you.

02:11:45.000 And it's sort of a form of laziness, I suppose.

02:11:47.000 So I don't know that's particularly relevant.

02:11:50.000 No, wait, listen, it's absolutely relevant.

02:11:52.000 Make a personal joke out of it.

02:11:54.000 It's a death in a lot of cultures.

02:11:55.000 Well, in Muslim cultures, not in ours. 1.00

02:11:57.000 No, in ours.

02:12:00.000 It's only the Muslim world that does that now. 1.00

02:12:01.000 It was 11 cultures.

02:12:02.000 Well, they're the last ones that continue the grand old tradition of killing gay people. 0.99

02:12:06.000 But that shit's been around forever.

02:12:08.000 I mean, what does it say in the Bible about a man lying with another man?

02:12:12.000 I think if I could, I mean, if I could choose, I wouldn't be homosexual.

02:12:17.000 Really?

02:12:18.000 That doesn't make me self-loathing.

02:12:19.000 So if someone came out of a Pfizer motherfucker, it does.

02:12:23.000 No, it doesn't.

02:12:24.000 You don't think it makes you self-loathing to hate a part of what you are?

02:12:28.000 I hate a part of what I am.

02:12:29.000 I love all of me, but if I could choose to be even better, then I would be.

02:12:32.000 So you'd be better if you were straight? 0.99

02:12:34.000 Anybody would be.

02:12:34.000 Yes.

02:12:34.000 Wow.

02:12:36.000 If Johnson Johnson would be better if he was strong and had an anti-gay pill, you would take it.

02:12:42.000 Well, it would be career suicide, but I probably would, yeah.

02:12:44.000 Would it be career suicide?

02:12:46.000 You don't think that you could transition into the straight world?

02:12:48.000 You would be the poster boy for Christian Right. 0.85

02:12:50.000 They would love you.

02:12:51.000 That's true.

02:12:52.000 You know, if I were to pray the gay away, I'd be so popular. 1.00

02:12:55.000 You would be super popular.

02:12:56.000 That's what's holding you back, is the gay. 1.00

02:12:58.000 You're right.

02:12:59.000 You're intelligent, you're good-looking, you're well-dressed.

02:12:59.000 Maybe that's true.

02:13:02.000 It's true.

02:13:03.000 You're right.

02:13:05.000 Okay, I'm going to go.

02:13:05.000 I'm going to enroll in one of these camps again.

02:13:07.000 I'm going to get you.

02:13:08.000 These camps don't work.

02:13:09.000 They're just an excuse for dudes to get together and fuck each other. 1.00

02:13:11.000 Like Michelle Bachman's husband.

02:13:13.000 You ever heard about the camp that that guy was running?

02:13:15.000 That guy is the greatest or a bomber after hours.

02:13:19.000 How about the guy?

02:13:20.000 You say that, but hold up.

02:13:21.000 We'll bring that back.

02:13:22.000 But how about the guy that got arrested for killing those fucking people at that community center?

02:13:27.000 Oh, the gay series. 0.91

02:13:28.000 He got arrested.

02:13:29.000 Then often he's not going to gay serial killers.

02:13:32.000 No, he's a KKK guy that got arrested with black prostitutes. 0.73

02:13:36.000 Oh, yeah.

02:13:38.000 Of course he did.

02:13:39.000 Of course he did.

02:13:39.000 My favorite.

02:13:40.000 I love it.

02:13:41.000 I love when they get it.

02:13:43.000 So my favorite guys.

02:13:46.000 People who get caught with black prostitutes. 0.99

02:13:47.000 I mean, literally could be me on any first day.

02:13:49.000 Well, the racist murderers who get caught with black prostitutes, those are adorable. 1.00

02:13:55.000 I didn't mean the first bit.

02:13:56.000 As long as you don't have to have direct contact with anybody they affected, it's an adorable story.

02:14:00.000 No, obviously I don't.

02:14:01.000 Here's the guy.

02:14:02.000 Look at him.

02:14:04.000 Ah!

02:14:06.000 Look at that face.

02:14:07.000 And you just know that he had these big black girls whipping him and raping him with a dildo and stuff. 1.00

02:14:13.000 You just know that he was men.

02:14:15.000 Men.

02:14:16.000 Men were doing it. 0.61

02:14:16.000 Male prostitutes. 0.61

02:14:18.000 See?

02:14:18.000 Black male prostitutes.

02:14:19.000 He did the whole Mandingo thing, didn't he? 1.00

02:14:21.000 There's a lot going on there, man.

02:14:23.000 I just can't believe that you would decide to not be gay if you could.

02:14:28.000 Is that because of Christian values?

02:14:30.000 No, no, no.

02:14:31.000 So what is it?

02:14:35.000 I don't think it's self-loathing to acknowledge that being a homosexual is obviously a sort of aberrant sexuality. 0.83

02:14:40.000 It's something that Mother Nature does on the fringes.

02:14:42.000 So nobody really knows why.

02:14:43.000 And it could be elegant variation in the evolutionary process.

02:14:46.000 It could be all sorts of things.

02:14:48.000 Who knows?

02:14:49.000 The variation from these Christian levels. 0.97

02:14:51.000 Something like that.

02:14:52.000 From a Christian perspective, it could be a test.

02:14:53.000 From the evolutionary perspective, it could be natural variation.

02:14:57.000 From the Christian perspective, it could be some Christians believe that you get these things in life as tests, and they don't judge the sinner, they judge the sin.

02:15:04.000 And what they mean by that is you can be gay, but if you act on it, that's when you become a sinner. 0.90

02:15:08.000 Oh, crazy.

02:15:09.000 So they don't blame you for who you are.

02:15:11.000 They blame you for what they consider what you do.

02:15:14.000 That's bullshit.

02:15:14.000 You're gay as fuck.

02:15:15.000 I'm not presenting that argument.

02:15:16.000 Dude, I'm not presenting that argument.

02:15:17.000 I'm just expanding.

02:15:18.000 You're gay as fuck, okay? 1.00

02:15:20.000 There's not a goddamn choice in the world for you other than being gay. 1.00

02:15:25.000 You're the perfect example of this shit.

02:15:27.000 This shit being nonsense, that it's a choice.

02:15:29.000 That somehow or another you're presented God has given you the ultimate conundrum.

02:15:33.000 You're wrong there.

02:15:33.000 They're giving you a choice.

02:15:35.000 You're wrong there.

02:15:35.000 You're wrong there because actually born this way is an invention of the gay lobby.

02:15:39.000 You're not born this way?

02:15:40.000 No, no, no.

02:15:40.000 There's no basic way of thinking.

02:15:41.000 There's no basis in science for this.

02:15:44.000 There's no basis in science in a broad spectrum of human sexuality.

02:15:48.000 I'm going to be very specific because I know you like specificity.

02:15:51.000 Thank you.

02:15:52.000 There is no basis in science for the born this way argument.

02:15:55.000 There's no basis in science that you are simply born gay and that's all there is to it. 0.98

02:15:58.000 What the science suggests is that it is very much nature and nurture and it's as much as 50-50 nature and nurture, right?

02:16:05.000 The gay lobby in the 1980s as well.

02:16:09.000 Let me finish this one.

02:16:10.000 The gay lobby in the 1980s was worried because religious people were saying that the gay lifestyle was a sinful choice.

02:16:17.000 So they came up with this thing in the gay gene and it is an invention of the gay lobby designed to get around religious bigots. 0.75

02:16:23.000 It's designed to wrong foot the religious right and suggest that people's sexuality has no, There's no element of choice in people's sexuality.

02:16:33.000 Born this way, you're hearing Lady Gaga song, and we take it as granted as you obviously have.

02:16:37.000 I had no idea that song was even real until you just said that.

02:16:40.000 Lady Gaga's Born This Way. 0.73

02:16:42.000 Never heard of it.

02:16:42.000 One of her biggest hits.

02:16:44.000 Proud that I never heard of it.

02:16:45.000 Indeed.

02:16:46.000 One of her biggest hits is based on an invention of the gay lobby with no basis in science. 1.00

02:16:51.000 What the science says is it's a mixture.

02:16:52.000 So it simply isn't true to say that you're just born gay and that's all there is to it.

02:16:57.000 For most people, it is a mixture of early environmental factors and natural predisposition.

02:17:03.000 That's the most we can say.

02:17:05.000 With any confidence and with any surety, that's the most that we can say from the available science.

02:17:09.000 Born this way is a marketing gimmick.

02:17:11.000 It doesn't mean anything.

02:17:13.000 Okay, but when you say that, you're talking about, again, a broad spectrum of human sexuality.

02:17:19.000 So some people are going to be much more nurtured.

02:17:22.000 Yes, that's true.

02:17:23.000 Some people, it's going to be much more natured.

02:17:25.000 Some people are born gay.

02:17:26.000 There's a fucking kid that lives down my street.

02:17:28.000 He's five years old and he's gay as fuck. 1.00

02:17:30.000 Well, he might like to play with action man, but he doesn't necessarily, he's not necessarily going to be gay.

02:17:34.000 I have a problem with you ascribing sexuality to a five-year-old boy because that's exactly what the transgender parents do. 1.00

02:17:46.000 You're saying he's five years old.

02:17:47.000 He hasn't even hit puberty yet.

02:17:49.000 He has no idea who he is.

02:17:50.000 No idea what he's going to believe.

02:17:52.000 No idea who he's going to want to fuck when he's older.

02:17:54.000 He's nowhere near puberty.

02:17:55.000 And you're saying this kid is gay.

02:17:56.000 You're doing exactly the same thing as these Canadian parents who say that my five-year-old girl should be a boy.

02:18:01.000 Please give them hormones. 1.00

02:18:02.000 You're doing exactly the same thing.

02:18:03.000 I'm certainly not.

02:18:04.000 I'm certainly not because I don't want to give anybody hormones and I don't want to influence this guy's life in any way.

02:18:08.000 So I'm going to hang back and watch.

02:18:09.000 And in 10 years from now, I want to fucking apologize.

02:18:12.000 I will come back to you in 10 years.

02:18:13.000 I will come back on this show.

02:18:14.000 You know why I'm going to go to the game gay, by the way? 0.95

02:18:15.000 You get him on.

02:18:16.000 You know why?

02:18:17.000 Because his mom calls him gay.

02:18:18.000 Well, his mom is wrong, and his mom is.

02:18:20.000 She might be correct.

02:18:21.000 She's around him every day.

02:18:21.000 She wipes his ass.

02:18:23.000 She might know he's gay.

02:18:25.000 She knows all the things he's doing.

02:18:26.000 She doesn't say she's not a bad person.

02:18:28.000 She's not a bad person.

02:18:29.000 He keeps finding things he's put up there.

02:18:31.000 They're all black dicks. 1.00

02:18:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:18:32.000 She doesn't say it in a bad way.

02:18:36.000 She's just pretty sure he's gay.

02:18:37.000 You know what?

02:18:38.000 Actually, I think he's seven now.

02:18:39.000 I don't particularly like that line of argument.

02:18:41.000 Ascribing sexuality to people who haven't even looked at puberty yet seems a bit much.

02:18:44.000 But don't you think that with a lot of people, they are gay?

02:18:48.000 I mean, that is just what they are.

02:18:51.000 So with you.

02:18:52.000 Some people.

02:18:53.000 No, no, I'm not.

02:18:53.000 Do you think that you made a choice?

02:18:55.000 Definitely 50-50.

02:18:56.000 50-50.

02:18:57.000 I'm well aware of the fact that there is an element of deliberation in my sexuality.

02:19:01.000 And that's one of the things that annoys me about the establishment gay left, where they insist born this way is on placards and banners. 1.00

02:19:08.000 Do you tax pay some people born that way?

02:19:11.000 The tax pays some, but a minority.

02:19:13.000 A minority of people have no choice over their sexuality.

02:19:17.000 Out of the total number of gay people, a minority have no choice whatsoever.

02:19:20.000 So everybody else, there is a varying amount of choice.

02:19:22.000 I am aware that there is a degree of deliberation in my sexual orientation.

02:19:26.000 Yet I am forced through my taxes to pay for gay pride banners that say born this way. 0.70

02:19:30.000 It's just something that I know.

02:19:32.000 Yeah, I mean, the way that gay pride stuff is financed by the taxpayer in England, right?

02:19:32.000 You are?

02:19:37.000 It's given money by the government.

02:19:38.000 My taxes go to gay pride people who tell lies in the streets, stuff that I know isn't true.

02:19:43.000 They do it basically to get at people.

02:19:45.000 And they do it in the same bitter, nasty way that they have to do it.

02:19:47.000 How about if they paid for a sign that just said it's okay to be gay?

02:19:50.000 Would you be cool with that?

02:19:50.000 Well, they do that too, and I'm fine with that, yeah, sure.

02:19:55.000 I don't want my taxes to pay for it.

02:19:56.000 What if they had said born this way and then asterisk some small percentage?

02:20:01.000 Well, that would be your kind of, that would be your dreary, dreary nimpickly sign.

02:20:05.000 Some people are gay.

02:20:07.000 Comma.

02:20:08.000 And then you'd have like a paragraph of text.

02:20:10.000 You know, you wouldn't actually be able to see it from very far away.

02:20:12.000 But your version of this born this way sign would be like, let me spell this out.

02:20:19.000 Do you see the problem now with your nipple? 0.60

02:20:21.000 But do you see what I'm objecting to?

02:20:24.000 What I'm objecting to is simply telling people lies.

02:20:27.000 Born this way is a lie.

02:20:29.000 But isn't it a true story with some of them?

02:20:32.000 Well, like, nobody that's holding the signs, because most of the ones holding the signs, the militant homosexuals, are the ones that chose to be gay to get at people. 1.00

02:20:39.000 Now, do gays disagree with you?

02:20:42.000 Do you have debates with gay people about this?

02:20:44.000 Well, most gays won't debate me because they know they'll lose. 1.00

02:20:47.000 Well, they've got woman brains. 1.00

02:20:48.000 They're not very good at logic.

02:20:49.000 They've got woman brains. 1.00

02:20:51.000 I'm just kidding.

02:20:53.000 You accused me of trolling earlier, so I thought I better live up to the brains.

02:20:55.000 I thought I'd better live up to the right view.

02:20:56.000 You certainly do, and you're also very aware that your right-wing views and the right-wing views.

02:21:03.000 Kind of a little bit of a right-wing bend to you.

02:21:05.000 You talk about conservatives and you're wearing a suit and tie.

02:21:09.000 This right-wing suit and tie is conservative.

02:21:12.000 Like a good way to align yourself in the club is you have to espouse Christian values or talk about being Christian.

02:21:20.000 I don't give a stuff about what the conservative establishment thinks of me.

02:21:23.000 If I did, my career would have turned out very differently.

02:21:27.000 I would have chosen a very different path through my professional life.

02:21:31.000 I was at the Telegraph, the most respectable establishment newspaper in England eight years ago.

02:21:38.000 If I'd wanted to be a scion of the Conservative Republican establishment, I could have done that.

02:21:43.000 I did the exact opposite.

02:21:44.000 I've stuck my nose up and my middle finger up at conservatives every available opportunity.

02:21:50.000 Poor Breitbart, who put up with so much from me, they publish black dick jokes every week from me.

02:21:56.000 And that is a direct assault on the kind of stomach churn that the conservative right is always said to have about gay things.

02:22:01.000 I don't just tell them I'm gay.

02:22:03.000 I tell them I'm sucking black dick, right?

02:22:05.000 But you might want really good columns.

02:22:06.000 I do, and they're very funny and entertaining, and I'm right about everything.

02:22:09.000 And it also puts them in a very interesting place where they can say, look, we have a gay guy working for us.

02:22:15.000 I don't think Breitbart gives a stuff about whether people think they're homophobic or not.

02:22:19.000 They certainly wouldn't hire me.

02:22:20.000 Oh, they certainly do.

02:22:22.000 Everybody does.

02:22:23.000 Trust me.

02:22:24.000 Trust me.

02:22:25.000 Breitbart doesn't care.

02:22:26.000 Breitbart doesn't care if you think they're homophobic.

02:22:28.000 They're not, but they don't care if you do.

02:22:29.000 Right.

02:22:30.000 What they care about is the facts of what they publish and the facts of what they publish.

02:22:33.000 But this whole time that we're painting here is so strange.

02:22:36.000 Is someone who believes but doesn't practice.

02:22:41.000 You believe in religion, but you don't practice any of the things that religion espouses, especially the sexual.

02:22:46.000 You don't practice any of the things.

02:22:47.000 Well, what do you practice that religion?

02:22:49.000 I think I do most of the Ten Commandments.

02:22:51.000 I don't practice.

02:22:51.000 I don't steal.

02:22:52.000 Well, you don't cover wives. 1.00

02:22:54.000 No, I mean, I probably cover your wife's oxen. 0.99

02:23:00.000 You see what I'm saying?

02:23:01.000 I think I'm solid on most.

02:23:02.000 I think I'm solid on most of the Ten Commandments.

02:23:05.000 I'm solid on most of the Ten Commandments.

02:23:08.000 Except for the gay stuff, and that's not in the Ten Commandments. 0.96

02:23:10.000 That's true.

02:23:11.000 That's in the book, though.

02:23:12.000 God is going to look after me.

02:23:14.000 I got a first-class ticket to heaven.

02:23:16.000 Well, you know, the Moses and the work of the angels.

02:23:18.000 Jerusalem scholars now believe that Moses was high on drugs.

02:23:21.000 You know that, right?

02:23:22.000 Yet another thing we have in common.

02:23:22.000 I'm sure you've read that.

02:23:23.000 That Moses and you...

02:23:25.000 That I have in common, yeah.

02:23:26.000 I think he was on different drugs...

02:23:29.000 They were like pigs or something.

02:23:30.000 Back then.

02:23:31.000 It was acacia.

02:23:32.000 Just to be strictly accurate, I have not admitted to anything.

02:23:36.000 The idea that the burning bush was a bush that was high in concentrated DMT.

02:23:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:23:43.000 Dimethyltryptamine.

02:23:43.000 Yeah, of course.

02:23:44.000 So he was on some kind of awesome animal.

02:23:46.000 Very powerful psychedelic.

02:23:48.000 Well, this is as Steve Jobs says, you know, he's visions of divine inspiration on LSD, which has enabled him to.

02:23:53.000 LSD is very different than dimethyltryptamine, though.

02:23:55.000 Dimethyltryptamine is a visionary hallucinogen, extremely powerful one.

02:24:00.000 That's what ayahuasca, that's the active ingredient in ayahuasca.

02:24:05.000 The idea is that that's what Moses was doing.

02:24:07.000 That that's why the burning bush, the literal translation of what that is, is smoking DMT.

02:24:14.000 He's getting a DMT trip, and that's why God is giving him these ideas about how people should behave and what is divine, to be kind to each other, to not murder.

02:24:25.000 I don't have a view on that, but I suppose it does sound like the product of somebody on a nice trip.

02:24:30.000 Well, these are mainstream scholars.

02:24:31.000 Just be really nice to everyone, man.

02:24:33.000 Just like, don't fuck someone else's wife. 1.00

02:24:36.000 And don't steal.

02:24:36.000 I carved it out.

02:24:38.000 I mean, you'd have to be quite high on drugs to be like this.

02:24:40.000 Well, back then, they carved down any idea that they had.

02:24:42.000 They carved it out.

02:24:44.000 They didn't really have any other options.

02:24:46.000 Couldn't make billboards that the state had to pay for.

02:24:49.000 Well, it was the central tenets of Christianity a result of a drug trip. 0.89

02:24:52.000 I have learned something today.

02:24:54.000 That is what some mainstream scholars believe this day.

02:25:00.000 I think I'm right in saying that I sort of have semi-read that somewhere and I didn't follow it up, but I will look into that.

02:25:06.000 I'm sure you have.

02:25:06.000 Well, you know, John Marco Allegro, the guy who was one of the head scholars that was deciphering the Dead Sea Scrolls, after 14 years of studying, he was an ordained minister, but he was also agnostic because he started studying religion and realized it was all bullshit.

02:25:19.000 But he wrote a book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.

02:25:24.000 He believes that the entire origins of Christianity was based around fertility rituals and the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms.

02:25:32.000 It does sound fascinating book.

02:25:32.000 Fascinating books.

02:25:34.000 Obviously bollocks, but it does sound fascinating.

02:25:35.000 It's not bollocks at all.

02:25:36.000 I mean, he was a well-renowned religious scholar.

02:25:40.000 It does sound fixed.

02:25:42.000 A guy who understood language.

02:25:43.000 He actually traced back the word Christ to an ancient Sumerian word that meant a mushroom covered in God's semen.

02:25:50.000 I mean these psychedelic mushrooms that grew out of nowhere, they thought that when it rained, it was God coming on the earth.

02:25:57.000 And that these mushrooms that would come up and then they would eat them and have these great trips, they thought they were experiencing God.

02:26:02.000 I mean, you can generate quite a few extraordinary theories with etymology because so many words sound like so many other words.

02:26:11.000 So it sounds like an interesting thought experiment and a nice social studies paper, but I'm not sure I quite buy it as experts.

02:26:17.000 Well, you never looked into it.

02:26:18.000 But if you do look into it, you've got to assume that fascinating, spectacular psychedelic experiences would be interpreted by the people who had no science, no books, no knowledge of what's going on with the human neurochemistry as being something that was divine.

02:26:34.000 If you had no other reference point.

02:26:36.000 Absolutely.

02:26:37.000 You're certainly right about that.

02:26:38.000 Yeah, I mean, I would say.

02:26:39.000 But then again, there's lots of things about life in general that would be considered miraculous.

02:26:43.000 I mean, the sunrising, childbirth, and all those things attributed to the gods.

02:26:48.000 And when these people were on these incredibly powerful psychedelic drugs, they would try to hide this knowledge from the Romans. 0.71

02:26:55.000 And so they hid these stories in parables.

02:26:58.000 It's a really fascinating and, by the way, very controversial thing because religious scholars— Well, this is why.

02:27:06.000 One of the reasons why is he was the only one who was an agnostic, who was on the Dead Sea Scrolls Deciphering Committee.

02:27:11.000 All the other ones were all religious.

02:27:12.000 He was an ordained minister, but he wasn't practicing.

02:27:16.000 All the rest of them were very religious.

02:27:18.000 And so the interpretations that they were willing to accept were not what he was willing to accept.

02:27:23.000 So you would have to get someone of that level of understanding of the language to debate him on this.

02:27:29.000 And he's dead.

02:27:31.000 The Catholic Church bought out the book.

02:27:32.000 You can buy it now, but it's like a, well, now it got republished a few years ago by this guy named Jan Irvin.

02:27:39.000 So you can get a hold of it now.

02:27:40.000 But for the longest time, you still have to buy it as a used book.

02:27:43.000 Awesome.

02:27:43.000 Well, I will look it up.

02:27:44.000 Yeah, there's one also, The Dead Sea Scrolls, the Christian Myth. 0.98

02:27:47.000 He wrote a second one after the Catholic Church bought out the first one and stopped production of it and bought out all the books.

02:27:52.000 That's your people.

02:27:54.000 Catholics trying to hide that information. 0.95

02:27:56.000 We're great at PL.

02:27:57.000 The last thing they want.

02:27:59.000 I went to Catholic school, man, for a whole year.

02:28:01.000 Cured me.

02:28:02.000 Fixed me up good.

02:28:04.000 That's where you get your fine sense of right and wrong from.

02:28:06.000 No, wait, let's not do that.

02:28:07.000 Well, right and wrong as far as what is wrong with you.

02:28:09.000 Does anyone change it to you?

02:28:11.000 No, I got lucky.

02:28:12.000 They beat me a little bit.

02:28:13.000 You got lucky.

02:28:14.000 You didn't get that taste of.

02:28:14.000 You were unlucky.

02:28:16.000 No, like I said earlier, if it weren't for Father Michael, I would have given far less good head.

02:28:20.000 Who was a real Father Michael?

02:28:20.000 I mean, I'm right out of the head.

02:28:22.000 Yeah, he's going to get killed now.

02:28:22.000 So much less.

02:28:24.000 Who is Father Michael?

02:28:26.000 He's a real dude.

02:28:27.000 Made you suck his dick, for real? 0.73

02:28:29.000 I was quite enthusiastic about it.

02:28:29.000 Make me.

02:28:30.000 I fucked my English teacher too.

02:28:31.000 How old was he at the time?

02:28:33.000 He's quite young, quite hot.

02:28:33.000 I don't know.

02:28:35.000 Yeah.

02:28:35.000 Really?

02:28:36.000 And so that's where it all started?

02:28:37.000 With Father Michael?

02:28:38.000 No, no.

02:28:39.000 Was that post the tranny? 0.93

02:28:41.000 Yeah, it was post.

02:28:43.000 Drag queen. 0.96

02:28:45.000 So it was quite a.

02:28:47.000 You already had the five some and you're like, this is all wrong.

02:28:49.000 I need to talk to Father Michael.

02:28:50.000 He's like, suck my dick and shut the fuck up.

02:28:52.000 And you're like, religion is awesome.

02:28:54.000 You see, I really had no hope, did I?

02:28:57.000 It was never going to end well.

02:28:58.000 Well, it seems like you kept stumbling into dicks.

02:29:02.000 I just kept falling on them through life.

02:29:04.000 I don't know what would have happened if a heterosexual man like me was in the same circumstances as you early on.

02:29:11.000 I mean, obviously things would have gone very different.

02:29:13.000 So I'm not sure if I buy the not-born game.

02:29:16.000 You'd go down great in a gay club. 1.00

02:29:17.000 Go down?

02:29:18.000 Well, I mean, you know, is that a British expression?

02:29:23.000 You go down well?

02:29:24.000 No, I don't know.

02:29:26.000 Yeah, so go down well means you'd be popular.

02:29:29.000 Go down well would be Like the way you would describe a meal or a drink.

02:29:32.000 Oh, like it goes down well.

02:29:34.000 Yeah, so no.

02:29:35.000 Like taking the piss.

02:29:36.000 It took me a while to get what the hell.

02:29:38.000 Right, like, do you want a cup of mine?

02:29:39.000 Yeah.

02:29:41.000 Which again is another thing gay people seem disproportionately into.

02:29:44.000 They're in appealing each other?

02:29:45.000 Wow, there seems to be a lot of people.

02:29:46.000 There seems to be water sports.

02:29:48.000 Is it you see against the law?

02:29:49.000 This is what I'm saying.

02:29:50.000 People are only gay to be transgressive. 1.00

02:29:52.000 They choose to pray to be gay to be naughty. 1.00

02:29:55.000 They choose to be gay to be naughty. 1.00

02:29:56.000 It seems like you have all the time.

02:29:57.000 And now being a sexual place to pray the gay away. 0.96

02:30:01.000 I just can't full believe myself away from Christian values.

02:30:04.000 I can't tear myself away.

02:30:05.000 Come on.

02:30:07.000 Maybe as you get older, sex celebrity dries up a little bit.

02:30:10.000 I always think I would have made a good priest.

02:30:12.000 Do you think I'd make a good priest?

02:30:12.000 I think I'd make a good priest.

02:30:13.000 Well, you make a good priest if you think the guy that made you suck his dick was a good priest.

02:30:17.000 That kind of good priest.

02:30:17.000 He was a great priest.

02:30:18.000 Honestly, like, he was the first.

02:30:20.000 He was good other than that?

02:30:21.000 I've never had a better singing tutor.

02:30:23.000 He was great.

02:30:24.000 Singing teacher.

02:30:25.000 He got notes out of me I didn't even know I could produce.

02:30:27.000 Ha ha! 0.86

02:30:28.000 Well, he worked your plumbing.

02:30:30.000 Shattering the chandeliers kind of thing.

02:30:32.000 But was he good outside of what he did?

02:30:34.000 Like, was he a good religious scholar?

02:30:36.000 Was he a good teacher?

02:30:38.000 I mean, I should say.

02:30:38.000 He's a parish priest.

02:30:39.000 I just fucking creep getting his dick sucked then. 0.92

02:30:41.000 He's going to get lynched now.

02:30:42.000 How's he going to get lynched?

02:30:44.000 Do people know who he is?

02:30:45.000 I don't think so.

02:30:46.000 What's his name?

02:30:47.000 Well, I'm not saying you're anybody.

02:30:48.000 Well, how old were you at the time?

02:30:50.000 You were a little kid and he was like, you're trying to.

02:30:52.000 Was he in his 20s or 30s?

02:30:54.000 Yet another feminist strategy that you have adopted in addition to your language policy. 1.00

02:30:59.000 No, you're trying to go in this.

02:31:00.000 You were the one who was anti-war.

02:31:02.000 I told you it wasn't the pedophilia.

02:31:03.000 I was after I lost my Virginia.

02:31:05.000 I was in my teens.

02:31:06.000 I was in my teens.

02:31:07.000 14.

02:31:07.000 I was in my teens.

02:31:09.000 That's what you said 14.

02:31:09.000 Something like that.

02:31:10.000 In my teens.

02:31:11.000 In my teens.

02:31:12.000 I don't know how they rock it in very old England.

02:31:14.000 I was in my teens.

02:31:15.000 I'm here in my country and you've never seen a 15-year-old girl at any point in your life, however old you were, you've never seen a 15-year-old girl you thought was hot.

02:31:23.000 Yeah, when I was 15.

02:31:24.000 No, when you were 15 years old.

02:31:27.000 When you were 25.

02:31:28.000 You were overtargeted, dude.

02:31:29.000 When you were 25, when you were 30, you will have seen girls about 15 you thought were hot.

02:31:33.000 No, I thought they were little kids.

02:31:34.000 No, you didn't.

02:31:35.000 I thought, damn, she's going to be hot, but I didn't want to fuck her. 1.00

02:31:38.000 Bullshit.

02:31:38.000 Not bullshit at all.

02:31:40.000 You can't tell me what I was born into.

02:31:43.000 I think if you're 14.

02:31:44.000 You were born like this.

02:31:45.000 You were born this way.

02:31:46.000 You were born a dreary nitpicker.

02:31:50.000 No, you're trying to make it so I'm a fucking creeper like you. 0.88

02:31:54.000 I'm not into 14-year-olds.

02:31:55.000 How dare you, sir?

02:31:56.000 No.

02:31:57.000 No, no, it's a 14-year-old.

02:31:58.000 Well, that fucking guy that you said is a great guy.

02:32:01.000 He was in a 14-year-old.

02:32:03.000 He's a terrible person.

02:32:04.000 No.

02:32:05.000 He certainly was.

02:32:06.000 I was a very mature 14-year-old.

02:32:08.000 Yeah.

02:32:08.000 Well, in your case, he got it right.

02:32:11.000 He got the right guy to molest.

02:32:13.000 It wasn't molestation.

02:32:14.000 It wasn't molestation.

02:32:14.000 That's absolutely molestation.

02:32:15.000 It was perfectly consensual.

02:32:16.000 I don't think it is when they're 14.

02:32:18.000 When I was 14, trust me, I was the predator.

02:32:20.000 I was the predator.

02:32:22.000 You were the predator.

02:32:22.000 You were chasing after the priest.

02:32:24.000 He was trying to stay conscious chasing everybody.

02:32:27.000 I was aggressively seeking out sexual company of adults because I knew it would horrify people, because I wanted sort of power over them.

02:32:33.000 It was my way of rebelling.

02:32:35.000 My way of rebelling.

02:32:36.000 I was the predator at 14, let me tell you.

02:32:38.000 Do you think that's what's going on with that guy who directed X-Men?

02:32:41.000 Brian Singer?

02:32:42.000 Yeah, a bunch of 14-year-old predators going after that poor man.

02:32:46.000 I'm not sure it's the case with him.

02:32:48.000 No.

02:32:51.000 That's a guy who's not.

02:32:51.000 You know, I lived in Hollywood a while ago briefly.

02:32:55.000 Did you go to one of his parties?

02:32:57.000 I went to other people who I won't name of a similar stature in Hollywood.

02:33:01.000 I went to their boat parties and to their house parties and things, and some of the things I have seen have beggared belief.

02:33:07.000 Can you give us like a...

02:33:07.000 Yeah?

02:33:09.000 Well, just, I can't, Right, you know, it's a dance around the facts.

02:33:17.000 Yeah, dangerous.

02:33:18.000 But I can tell you the truth without dropping anyone in it.

02:33:20.000 I mean, some of the boys there were very young.

02:33:23.000 Very young.

02:33:25.000 I don't remember.

02:33:25.000 No, no, like, I don't know, eight years ago.

02:33:28.000 I don't remember.

02:33:29.000 Natural limitations.

02:33:31.000 I don't remember whether I ever met Brian Singer or I even knew who he was then.

02:33:37.000 But I knew other people of similar stature, as I say, and there were some very young boys around at that time.

02:33:42.000 There was a lot of drugs and a lot of twinks taking drugs and having unsafe sex with older men.

02:33:48.000 And some of these boys were very young, desperate.

02:33:50.000 Desperate for a job, you know.

02:33:51.000 When Andy Cohen, the guy who runs Bravo, had to apologise for the use of the word twink.

02:33:57.000 How did you apologise for twinks?

02:33:58.000 I thought that was one of the most adorable things I've ever seen in my life.

02:34:00.000 Was he gay?

02:34:01.000 Yes.

02:34:01.000 Gay as fuck.

02:34:02.000 And he said the word twink, and he had to apologise for saying twinks because what?

02:34:05.000 Because it was demeaning to somebody's.

02:34:07.000 He thought someone was like a perfect twink and he made like a social media comment.

02:34:10.000 What the fuck is wrong with that?

02:34:12.000 Nothing's wrong with that.

02:34:12.000 Nothing.

02:34:13.000 Nothing.

02:34:14.000 Oh my God.

02:34:14.000 And you see, this is the thing, you see, progressives are starting to police homosexuals' language.

02:34:19.000 You know, I've got this theory, right?

02:34:21.000 I believe that pedophilia is the next progressive rehabilitation drive.

02:34:26.000 But I also think that straight, sorry, that homosexual white guys are going to be put back into the establishment bucket very soon. 0.86

02:34:35.000 If you look at some of the whining editorials coming out, like The Daily Beast, there's female columnists on The Daily Beast who will publish things about, say, on your Grinder profile, this app that you use to pick up guys nearby, which is basically just a sea of torsos and you just pick who you want to get the fucked by. 1.00

02:34:53.000 It's great.

02:34:54.000 Jesus would have planned it.

02:34:55.000 I don't feel like an iPhone.

02:34:57.000 And I don't use it for that reason.

02:34:58.000 Not for that reason.

02:34:59.000 I don't use it because I don't need to.

02:35:01.000 But on that app, some people say whites only.

02:35:05.000 Some people say only Hispanics.

02:35:07.000 People just express their sexual preference.

02:35:08.000 Everybody has a sexual preference.

02:35:09.000 That's perfectly reasonable.

02:35:10.000 But of course, you know, some progressive columnist has finally, like, five years later, has cottoned onto this and decided to make a thing about it and say, it's problematic that gay people express racial preferences when dating.

02:35:20.000 We all have racial preferences.

02:35:20.000 Of course, it isn't.

02:35:21.000 The OKCupid data actually shows us which races and which genders come out on top and come out the bottom.

02:35:27.000 So like Asian women do very well, black women do very badly, and the sort of league tables of hotness of men and women. 1.00

02:35:35.000 Anyway, so they're starting to police the language now and police the sexuality of homosexuals. 0.89

02:35:41.000 I mean, there was me thinking we were sliding dangerously close to tolerance and understanding, and now progressives are starting to police the sexuality of homosexuals again. 1.00

02:35:50.000 Don't you think there's a game of gotcha, though?

02:35:52.000 It's a game of gotcha.

02:35:53.000 So they're not really upset that.

02:35:56.000 But of course they're not upset.

02:35:57.000 They're looking for something to complain about.

02:35:59.000 Yes, but the problem with outrage culture. 0.52

02:36:02.000 I mean, I've always said that the only way to catch up with that.

02:36:03.000 Outrage culture is what it is, right?

02:36:04.000 And the problem with outrage...

02:36:09.000 Say ridiculous and outrageous things simply to draw attention to the people who get upset about it.

02:36:17.000 I think it's a very important project, and it's what I do in a lot of my columns, it's what I do on Twitter, I've done a little bit today.

02:36:22.000 And I think it's very important to wait a minute.

02:36:24.000 You've done a little bit of it today?

02:36:26.000 Well, I've been a bit outrageous.

02:36:27.000 I haven't said anything I don't believe, but I've been outrageous.

02:36:29.000 Sure, I've been outrageous.

02:36:30.000 I've been outrageous.

02:36:31.000 A little bit outrageous.

02:36:32.000 Just a little bit.

02:36:33.000 I've toned myself down for you because I know what I've done.

02:36:35.000 Thank you.

02:36:36.000 Heterosexual lumping. 0.79

02:36:38.000 Appreciate it so much.

02:36:39.000 Don't threaten me.

02:36:40.000 No, I've toned myself down for you today.

02:36:45.000 But no, I am a very, very firm believer that the only appropriate response to outrage culture is to be outrageous.

02:36:51.000 But the problem with outrage culture is that because these people are all basically quite thick, they tend to move in herds.

02:36:57.000 And so outrage culture can have trends, you know?

02:37:02.000 And so people can sort of cotton on to a particular idea, and suddenly everybody's outraged about the same thing.

02:37:08.000 And I see ahead of us sort of policing of the culture of heterosexual gay men. 0.91

02:37:14.000 Heterosexual gay men? 0.77

02:37:15.000 Sorry, sorry, sorry.

02:37:16.000 Sorry, of white gay men on the basis that they have almost like the ultimate male privilege. 0.78

02:37:24.000 They are smarter and richer and better looking and sassier and all the things that feminists hate because feminists are none of those things because feminists are disproportionately poor and ugly and unlovable. 1.00

02:37:35.000 Feminists are disproportionately poor? 1.00

02:37:37.000 Yes, well because of liberals.

02:37:40.000 Oh, right.

02:37:41.000 Poor, ugly, miserable, broken people are much more likely to become liberal.

02:37:45.000 What's the percentage that don't have their natural hair color?

02:37:47.000 Oh, close to 100, isn't it?

02:37:49.000 Do you know I've got...

02:37:51.000 It's all purple.

02:37:59.000 And he just looked at me and went, no, you're too handsome.

02:38:01.000 Wow, what salon are you going to?

02:38:03.000 Nice.

02:38:03.000 18.8 on Santa Monica.

02:38:05.000 No, I thought it was nice.

02:38:06.000 That gave me a little spring in my step.

02:38:07.000 That's beautiful.

02:38:09.000 No, I'm not doing that to you.

02:38:10.000 You're too good looking.

02:38:11.000 I said, it's adorable.

02:38:12.000 I know, I know, I know.

02:38:13.000 I tipped huge, which I guess was the point.

02:38:15.000 Good for you.

02:38:15.000 I guess was the point.

02:38:16.000 That's what he was gunning for.

02:38:18.000 He also gave me my first, you'll appreciate this, as a real man.

02:38:22.000 He gave me my first ever cutthroat shave.

02:38:24.000 Oh, with one of those straight razors?

02:38:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:38:26.000 I've never had it done before.

02:38:27.000 I felt like I became a man today.

02:38:28.000 Yeah, real men don't do that because you don't trust a man with a fucking razor blade.

02:38:32.000 You don't even cut your throat.

02:38:33.000 Because there's no maneuver where you can get it out.

02:38:36.000 Yeah, you don't want that.

02:38:37.000 It's like a martial art.

02:38:38.000 There's no crazy.

02:38:39.000 Well, there was a guy, I believe it was in San Diego, that just slit someone's throat for no reason.

02:38:44.000 Just went crazy.

02:38:45.000 Just went crazy, yeah.

02:38:47.000 And they arrested him.

02:38:48.000 The person lived, though, but they're fucked up. 0.98

02:38:50.000 They had to have surgery, and like, this guy just sliced open their throat.

02:38:54.000 I was petrified that he would slip, or that someone would make him jump, or somebody would just come in the stars.

02:39:00.000 You got an earthquake.

02:39:01.000 Turn around.

02:39:01.000 You get earthquakes here.

02:39:02.000 Cut my throat open.

02:39:04.000 You know, they can just get a razor.

02:39:04.000 Yeah.

02:39:06.000 I watched San Andreas.

02:39:07.000 Pretty fucking good.

02:39:07.000 Talking about earthquakes.

02:39:08.000 I watched San Andreas on the plane over.

02:39:10.000 What happens to San Francisco is just awful, really.

02:39:12.000 In San Andreas?

02:39:13.000 Yeah, just terrible.

02:39:14.000 It's awful to see San Francisco.

02:39:15.000 What happens to your brain when you watch that movie is even worse.

02:39:18.000 I like him.

02:39:19.000 What's his name?

02:39:19.000 I like him too, The Rock.

02:39:21.000 Yeah, he's great.

02:39:22.000 He's awesome, man.

02:39:22.000 Do you know what?

02:39:23.000 Actually, I've seen pretty much everything he's been in.

02:39:25.000 And you know what?

02:39:26.000 That movie, he's actually kind of a good actor in that.

02:39:29.000 He's a good actor.

02:39:30.000 No, but with the stuff with his daughter at the beginning, when the mom's moving into the house with the new guy, the bastard who runs away.

02:39:35.000 He's a motherfucker.

02:39:37.000 And he just runs away and leaves her in the future.

02:39:39.000 Of course he does, pussy. 1.00

02:39:40.000 That's what happens.

02:39:41.000 It's probably a feminist. 1.00

02:39:42.000 He wasn't a British actor.

02:39:43.000 They're always the best.

02:39:44.000 Probably a male feminist, wasn't he? 0.99

02:39:46.000 Probably a male feminist, yeah. 1.00

02:39:48.000 And no, and I thought his acting was subtle.

02:39:51.000 I thought it was really on point.

02:39:52.000 I thought it was a great performance.

02:39:54.000 No, he could do everything.

02:39:55.000 That guy can do everything he wants.

02:39:57.000 But that movie sucked.

02:39:59.000 I just like seeing San Francisco pummeled with waves of natural disaster.

02:40:06.000 It's all the self-hate.

02:40:07.000 Do you recognize that you could be there?

02:40:07.000 Oh, shut up.

02:40:09.000 No.

02:40:10.000 You'd like to be there in an origin when the big one hits.

02:40:13.000 God, take me away.

02:40:14.000 One wave of earthquakes.

02:40:16.000 Another wave of earthquakes.

02:40:17.000 Tsunami.

02:40:18.000 San Francisco is the tsunami of all evil in America.

02:40:20.000 Maybe when a guy comes in your butt, tsunami, takes you away.

02:40:25.000 I've never been propelled forward by it.

02:40:28.000 Not yet.

02:40:29.000 It's the first time for everything.

02:40:30.000 Maybe if we, I don't know.

02:40:32.000 You're in San Francisco, son.

02:40:33.000 Yeah.

02:40:35.000 Filsome street fair, you'd get propelled, I think.

02:40:37.000 Get repelled.

02:40:38.000 Just the viral load that's inside that person's body.

02:40:43.000 Boom.

02:40:44.000 I always wonder that they don't just have AZT on tap in the hipster bars in San Francisco.

02:40:48.000 I don't think AZT really worked.

02:40:49.000 That was like the big conspiracy that AZT was a cancer medication that they were using on AIDS when they thought it was the gay cancer. 0.62

02:40:55.000 They stopped AZT a long, long, long time ago.

02:40:58.000 So much so that there was a guy named Peter.

02:40:59.000 My gay joke was sort of like 80s bigotry.

02:41:03.000 I'm totally out of date.

02:41:05.000 I'm totally out of date on my gay hate.

02:41:08.000 Well, there was a guy named Peter Duisberg.

02:41:10.000 I had him on the podcast.

02:41:11.000 And man, there's very few people I've ever had on the podcast that brought so much hate with them.

02:41:16.000 But he is a biologist at the University of California, Berkeley, a tenured fucking professor up there who believed that HIV did not cause AIDS and that what HIV was was a weak virus that only existed in the bodies of people that already had compromised immune systems.

02:41:36.000 And he said the correlation between partying and party drugs, crystal methadrine, and all this different shit that you're going to be able to do is to do it.

02:41:43.000 This is what drives you into the AIDS.

02:41:45.000 And this is what crushes your immune system.

02:41:48.000 It's amazing what academics believe.

02:41:49.000 We have this extraordinary reverence for science.

02:41:52.000 And of course we do, rightly so, because it's what tells us mostly about how the world works, apart from obviously from the transcendental bits that actually matter.

02:41:59.000 But it tells us so much about how the world functions, like what's going to happen if I do that.

02:42:05.000 Science tells us all these things.

02:42:06.000 And so we have this, I suppose, appropriate reverence for scientists.

02:42:10.000 But what I think we always forget is just how mental and fallible and in many cases unintelligent so many of them are.

02:42:18.000 Well, they're people.

02:42:19.000 They vary so widely.

02:42:20.000 They've been in climate change stuff.

02:42:21.000 I have a dark secret that I never tell anyone, which I'm going to reveal to you.

02:42:25.000 You don't believe in climate change?

02:42:26.000 Oh, no, no.

02:42:27.000 I'm perfectly happy about admitting that.

02:42:28.000 I don't believe in man-made climate change.

02:42:29.000 It's like this, Motherfucker.

02:42:30.000 No, I don't believe in man-made climate change at all.

02:42:33.000 You don't?

02:42:33.000 No.

02:42:34.000 You don't believe in it?

02:42:35.000 No, I don't think we're affecting the climate significantly, no?

02:42:39.000 No?

02:42:40.000 So, all those scientists, they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

02:42:40.000 No, no.

02:42:42.000 Well, this is my dark secret.

02:42:44.000 So, for I think two years, nobody knows this.

02:42:47.000 I'm going to lose.

02:42:48.000 This is going to be my last shred of conservative credibility is going to be gone after this show.

02:42:53.000 I worked for a climate change NGO.

02:42:55.000 And I saw at the UN, I went to the UN, I was in the front row for Al Gore's speech, I was in Bali.

02:43:04.000 I went to all the UN stuff, went to all their events.

02:43:06.000 And I saw firsthand just what a load of what a crock of shit so much of it is.

02:43:11.000 How so?

02:43:11.000 Really?

02:43:12.000 I mean, look, we now know the IPCC reports in the UN are total horseshit.

02:43:17.000 Lead authors are asking for their names to be removed from them now because they've turned into just into ideological political documents.

02:43:22.000 They have no base in climate science whatsoever anymore.

02:43:25.000 But even in the early days when they were supposedly better, I saw papering over of data.

02:43:33.000 I was asked to do it, and I didn't.

02:43:35.000 I saw people omitting data sets that didn't fit with their hypotheses.

02:43:44.000 I saw people getting in reports from scientists and rewording them to make them more extreme and more alarmist.

02:43:50.000 I saw all of this happen.

02:43:52.000 And I saw all this happen in multiple organizations whose sole purpose was to be extremist about climate change.

02:43:59.000 And I came to believe that the whole thing was a crock of shit, and I left.

02:44:05.000 I quit.

02:44:06.000 Do you think that what happened?

02:44:07.000 I mean, I know very, very, very little of this, so I'm just going to take this at face value and just debate you.

02:44:13.000 Not even debate you, just ask you questions.

02:44:16.000 Do you think that what is happening is that an industry has been created?

02:44:22.000 That certainly is true that there is an industry.

02:44:24.000 I'm not going to suggest that the whole climate change establishment is a result of some people rent-seeking, although there is some of that going on.

02:44:30.000 But there is definitely a climate change industry.

02:44:31.000 There's no doubt about that.

02:44:32.000 Right.

02:44:33.000 And it also is one, it's something that if you, it's like saying that you don't believe in vaccines.

02:44:39.000 No, I don't think it's the same.

02:44:41.000 But it is to public opinion.

02:44:41.000 Look.

02:44:43.000 No, I don't think that's true.

02:44:44.000 I think public opinion.

02:44:45.000 Well, you never hear about it because the media will never dare tell you.

02:44:48.000 The public is much more skeptical about.

02:44:50.000 Many of the same people who don't believe in climate change also are anti-vaxes, right?

02:44:54.000 But I don't think these two things have anything in common.

02:44:56.000 And one of them is right and one of them is wrong.

02:44:59.000 Which one's wrong?

02:44:59.000 Anti-vaxes?

02:45:00.000 Right.

02:45:01.000 Or wrong.

02:45:02.000 People should vaccinate their children. 0.95

02:45:03.000 Right.

02:45:04.000 And climate change is bunk.

02:45:07.000 But if you didn't say that you don't believe in climate change, a lot of times people throw in the same sort of extreme whack of the people.

02:45:13.000 Well, I don't care what they lump me in with.

02:45:15.000 I care about facts not being, you know, not whether somebody lumps me in with the wrong group of people.

02:45:20.000 I've never cared about that.

02:45:21.000 I don't care what people think about me.

02:45:22.000 I care whether my argument is sound or whether I'm right.

02:45:25.000 And also whether I'm funny and entertaining and people like me.

02:45:27.000 But I don't care if somebody, you know, but people write guys like us off all the time, right?

02:45:31.000 They said, you write me, I was a misogynist, self-loathing, homosexual, as you did today wrongly.

02:45:37.000 People do this all the time.

02:45:38.000 And it's just another way that the left has of delegitimizing the speaker because they don't like the arguments.

02:45:42.000 Rather than attack the argument, you call the speaker self-loathing.

02:45:44.000 Rather than attack the argument, you call the speaker, you know, a bigot of some other kind.

02:45:49.000 Or you pathologise.

02:45:50.000 You say that if you're a gay person with these opinions, you must either have some psychological problem and get that you need therapy, or you hate yourself and you're self-loathing because of your religious upbringing, all the rest of it.

02:46:00.000 You don't allow that person the dignity of having opinions that don't correspond with their sexuality.

02:46:05.000 That, I think, is cheap, and it ignores the messy and complicated reality of human sexuality and who people are.

02:46:10.000 I don't care if somebody thinks that I'm a self-loathing homosexual.

02:46:14.000 What I care about is telling the truth that other people seem to be reluctant to do.

02:46:17.000 Gay people, the gay establishment certainly doesn't tell the truth about a lot of things. 1.00

02:46:21.000 They don't tell the truth about Born This Way.

02:46:23.000 They don't tell the truth about HIV.

02:46:24.000 They get very upset when you dare to tell.

02:46:26.000 I wrote this column, like, you know, gay people, if you want to start donating blood, because most gay people are banned from donating blood, you know, or at least it's very difficult in the UK and I think the US too.

02:46:37.000 And I wrote this column, so gay people are complaining that they're not allowed to donate blood, and they say that it's evidence of homophobia or whatever.

02:46:43.000 I said, if you want to be able to donate blood, stop being sluts. 1.00

02:46:48.000 The reason the NHS doesn't let you donate blood is because gay blood is so disproportionately more likely to have diseases in it.

02:46:53.000 if you want to be allowed to donate blood, stop sleeping around.

02:47:02.000 But that wasn't the point.

02:47:03.000 My point was to get at the whiners and the winges and the social justice worlds and the handwringers. 0.77

02:47:07.000 My point is, I don't care if somebody says, you know, you're a self-loathing homosexual.

02:47:10.000 I know it isn't true.

02:47:11.000 It's a cheap debate tactic, and it really has no meaning outside of the facts of the argument.

02:47:17.000 So I don't care about being lumped in with crazy people.

02:47:19.000 If my arguments are sound about a particular issue, I'd rather I wasn't.

02:47:22.000 But, you know, you say to me, well, you come and you say, I don't believe in climate change.

02:47:28.000 And in my head, I think, oh, God, you're like a crazy info wars conspiracy theorist.

02:47:32.000 You're an Alex Jones type, right?

02:47:33.000 Who probably thinks vaccines are a conspiracy by the government.

02:47:37.000 I find that absurd.

02:47:39.000 And in any case, I don't really mind too much because I think ordinary people, I think many of your fans and certainly mine, are a bit tired of having labels applied to them by other people.

02:47:51.000 I think people are a bit tired of being told what they are, told they're bigoted, told they're misogynistic, told that there is something else wrong with them or that they have the wrong opinions about things.

02:48:00.000 I think people are a bit sick of that, actually.

02:48:03.000 Told they were born gay.

02:48:05.000 Indeed.

02:48:06.000 I think people are a bit bored of that.

02:48:07.000 So I'm very relaxed about people calling me names because I've had it my whole career.

02:48:10.000 And normally it's a consequence of telling the truth.

02:48:12.000 Got it.

02:48:13.000 You know, there's a lot of articles.

02:48:15.000 This is really interesting because I Googled it while you were talking about how there's a quote that gets bandied around a lot.

02:48:22.000 97% of climate scientists agree.

02:48:26.000 And there's a lot of fucking articles that says that's horseshed. 0.63

02:48:30.000 I don't think that's true.

02:48:30.000 Yeah, a lot.

02:48:31.000 I don't think that's ever been true.

02:48:33.000 I think that 97% of climate scientists agreeing on climate change is in the same category of immortal myth that the campus rape culture statistic is.

02:48:43.000 It's one of those sort of unquestioned, it's become a fact meme, you know?

02:48:50.000 It's one of those things that's uncritically reported.

02:48:51.000 And it's been repeated so many times that people don't even feel the need to ask for a citation anymore.

02:48:56.000 So for example, when you hear the stuff about the rape statistics or the pay gap, people take it, it's such an established part of accepted statistic now.

02:49:05.000 People have stopped bothering to ask for evidence to justify it.

02:49:09.000 I don't think it was ever true, the 97%. 0.99

02:49:11.000 Well, you would know probably better than a lot because you were actually there on the front lines and you watched people actually fuck with evidence and omit things and add things.

02:49:24.000 Well, what was the when you were there and this was all going on, like what was the philosophy behind it?

02:49:30.000 It's all politics.

02:49:30.000 It's politics.

02:49:31.000 Climate change has never been about science.

02:49:33.000 It's always been about politics.

02:49:34.000 You know, and this is when right-wingers sometimes sound a bit conspiratorial and a bit crazy, right?

02:49:38.000 When they say, oh, it's all a construction of the liberals.

02:49:40.000 Like, 97% of scientists is a construction of liberals.

02:49:42.000 Oh, just get out, right?

02:49:43.000 I understand how that conversational moment comes to happen.

02:49:48.000 But all I can tell you is that it was climate change for me as an observer, for the scientists concerned, it was primarily a political project.

02:49:57.000 It was a lot to do with the sort of UN global guilt about poverty and the third world.

02:50:02.000 Climate change was this issue that was going to fix everything, right?

02:50:04.000 It was going to fix poverty in the third world.

02:50:07.000 It finally addressed the sort of white guilt they all feel and gave them all a real reason to feel bad about being who they are.

02:50:13.000 It gave them that sort of terrible, you know, it gave them the justification to beat up on capitalism, which they all hate.

02:50:21.000 It gave them the justification to beat up on the Western way of life.

02:50:24.000 And James Denningpole, my Breitbart colleague, wrote a book about watermelons, green on the outside, red on the inside.

02:50:29.000 And his point was that his thesis is that dressed up in the language of environmentalism and climate change concern is actually just socialism, anti-capitalism, and sort of this weird anarchic desire to see the developed world burn on the part of very politicized scientists.

02:50:48.000 And I have to say, based on what I saw, he's right.

02:50:51.000 Well, it still seems like it's a very high number when they're breaking down.

02:50:56.000 There's a skeptical science article about it.

02:50:58.000 They break down the actual number of scientists that do believe that we have something to do with global warming.

02:51:06.000 I mean, ultimately, ultimately, the debate is pointless anyway.

02:51:12.000 Well, not pointless, but there are millions of articles about climate change on the internet.

02:51:16.000 And with one Google search, you can't hope to get anywhere even close to the truth.

02:51:19.000 But in any case, it's a good idea to get off fossil fuels simply because it's going to run out.

02:51:25.000 It's a question of energy security, not conservation for me.

02:51:27.000 I think for many conservatives who agree that we have to find other solutions, whether it's wind or nuclear or something else, right?

02:51:34.000 Just drilling and using up all the oil is going to, I mean, it's going to run out eventually, right?

02:51:40.000 It's going to run out, so we need a better solution.

02:51:41.000 We need something else in the wings that can take over.

02:51:44.000 That's not a question of ecology, and that's not a political question either.

02:51:47.000 It's just basic energy security, making sure that we all have what we need to survive and that we can all keep our lights on, right?

02:51:54.000 So for me, it's not, you know, there is a heavily politicised and I think primarily political and not scientific issue.

02:52:01.000 But we should in any case be pursuing renewable energy because one day we're going to have to.

02:52:06.000 Even with shale gas, which is going to fixes us for another 100, 200 years or something, it's going to run out eventually.

02:52:12.000 And we are going to be around when it does.

02:52:13.000 I don't believe that.

02:52:14.000 I always find it very disturbing when people bring up this whole fracking thing and they're very dismissive of it.

02:52:19.000 That one freaks me out because there's absolute evidence that they've poisoned a lot of wells, that there's areas that people can't live in anymore, that it's leaked into river supplies.

02:52:28.000 There's absolute evidence of that.

02:52:30.000 And then people are like, well, but look how cheap the gas is now.

02:52:33.000 I'm like, it doesn't matter.

02:52:34.000 If you fuck something up to the point where it's useless 100,000 years from now, it doesn't put out cheap stakes.

02:52:39.000 The EPA poisoned a river.

02:52:41.000 I mean, supposedly the EPA would say that doesn't mean there shouldn't be an EPA just because they fucked up and poisoned a river, right?

02:52:47.000 Just because one fracking well fucked up, or even three fracking wells, or 10 out of 1,000, right?

02:52:54.000 So I'm arguing 1,000.

02:52:55.000 Maybe there needs to be a better breath of regulation. 0.98

02:52:58.000 Maybe they need to do it differently.

02:52:59.000 Take a guess.

02:53:02.000 More than I've been totally out of that climate energy stuff for people.

02:53:06.000 I'm going to say million wells in America.

02:53:06.000 Let's guess right now.

02:53:08.000 300,000.

02:53:09.000 How many?

02:53:10.000 A million fracking wells?

02:53:11.000 You're kidding, right?

02:53:12.000 In America, no. 0.96

02:53:13.000 A million fracking wells in America.

02:53:14.000 That's insane.

02:53:16.000 Yeah, in America.

02:53:17.000 There can't possibly be.

02:53:19.000 I think it's more than that, actually.

02:53:21.000 1.1 million active active fracking wells.

02:53:24.000 Yep.

02:53:24.000 I'm stunned by that.

02:53:25.000 You don't understand how my country rolls.

02:53:27.000 So in that case, you could present hundreds of examples of poisoned rivers.

02:53:32.000 It still would be significantly ripped.

02:53:33.000 But it still would be significantly insignificant.

02:53:35.000 Statistically insignificant.

02:53:36.000 It would still be insignificant.

02:53:37.000 If there's 1.1 million of these wells, and there are 100 scare stories in the media every year, that 100 is a relatively small number.

02:53:44.000 If you're looking at statistics, but if you're the actual human beings that live anywhere near these people.

02:53:48.000 If you don't know about nuclear power, you could say people die in nuclear accidents, so let's not have to do that.

02:53:51.000 There's not that many nuclear accidents.

02:53:52.000 You could say that about the nuclear power.

02:53:54.000 But you can and people do, but there's not even that many nuclear accidents.

02:53:57.000 We don't live in a, well, there are nuclear accidents in Japan, there are nuclear accidents in Russia.

02:54:03.000 Well, there's two.

02:54:04.000 And Three Mile Island.

02:54:06.000 Right, which is a very important thing.

02:54:07.000 Which is, well, probably comparable in numbers of people affected to your fracking thing.

02:54:11.000 No.

02:54:12.000 We don't live in a perfect world.

02:54:13.000 We have to make a risk assessment and a judgment, and also price comes into it.

02:54:16.000 The cost and the amount of the benefit to society of getting all of this natural gas, right?

02:54:21.000 If a couple of rivers are poisoned, we may say that that is the best of a bad set of solutions, right?

02:54:26.000 None of this stuff is perfect because we don't live in mud huts. 1.00

02:54:29.000 We want nice shit, you know?

02:54:31.000 You want your cameras, you want the internet, you want computers, you want a producer with seven buzzing devices next to him.

02:54:36.000 That comes at a price, right?

02:54:38.000 There's an energy cost to that.

02:54:39.000 And if you want that, you're going to have to get it from, you're going to have to get the power from somewhere.

02:54:43.000 And none of those solutions are going to be things you're going to like.

02:54:45.000 It's either drilling for oil.

02:54:48.000 Middle East oil.

02:54:49.000 Well, sure.

02:54:50.000 I think we should invade the... 0.95

02:54:56.000 Which she also said.

02:54:58.000 Who is he?

02:54:58.000 Anne Coulter.

02:54:59.000 Ann Coulter.

02:54:59.000 Who said that?

02:55:00.000 Did you say he also said?

02:55:01.000 No, I didn't.

02:55:02.000 I said she said.

02:55:02.000 Ann Coulter?

02:55:03.000 I said she also said.

02:55:04.000 We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity. 1.00

02:55:06.000 Would you accept if she became a man?

02:55:08.000 What?

02:55:09.000 If she became a tranny? 0.99

02:55:10.000 I can't see that Anne Coulter would ever become a man.

02:55:12.000 She's a beautiful woman.

02:55:13.000 How dare you lie to America, the world?

02:55:16.000 I know what you're doing.

02:55:16.000 I can't imagine.

02:55:17.000 You are a right-wing shill, you son of a bitch.

02:55:20.000 You really are.

02:55:21.000 You're a supportive fracking.

02:55:23.000 I love Counter.

02:55:24.000 You love circumcision. 0.99

02:55:25.000 I love Anne Coulter.

02:55:28.000 I think she's tremendous.

02:55:30.000 No, I do, and you know why I do?

02:55:31.000 She falls into the same bucket you do, and I do, and Trump does.

02:55:33.000 She is.

02:55:34.000 She's a troll. 1.00

02:55:35.000 No, she's not a troll. 0.92

02:55:36.000 She certainly is.

02:55:38.000 You could characterize much of what both of us do as trolling.

02:55:41.000 I don't troll.

02:55:43.000 I don't.

02:55:44.000 Tell me what I do to trolling.

02:55:45.000 Go ahead.

02:55:46.000 Viewers will make up their own judgments on that one.

02:55:47.000 I'm not a troll.

02:55:48.000 Fine, okay, if you're not a troll, that's fine.

02:55:50.000 I may say inflammatory things, but I believe them.

02:55:53.000 Me too.

02:55:54.000 She's telling some pretty ridiculous shit about Max Cans.

02:55:54.000 So where do I go?

02:55:58.000 I don't think she believes that.

02:56:00.000 I wanted to persuade UKIP, which is the closest thing we have to equivalent of the Tea Party.

02:56:05.000 I wanted to persuade UKIP in the UK, who were banned from the Pride March, because, of course, the leftist homosexual establishment are nothing if not ruthlessly intolerant of Conservatives. 0.93

02:56:14.000 It was much more difficult for me to come out as a Tory than it was as a gay person.

02:56:18.000 A Tory being a Conservative person.

02:56:20.000 Yeah, it's much more difficult to come out as a Conservatives than it is as being gay.

02:56:23.000 Right wing, like I said.

02:56:24.000 Right wing is very difficult.

02:56:25.000 I wanted UKIP, who's our covenanting party, to go all dressed in drag as Margaret Thatcher and have signs, things like...

02:56:40.000 I've lost my thread.

02:56:41.000 We've been talking for a very long time.

02:56:43.000 What were we talking about?

02:56:45.000 Gay people, something. 1.00

02:56:47.000 I've lost it.

02:56:47.000 Let's move on.

02:56:48.000 The UK.

02:56:48.000 No, I've lost it.

02:56:49.000 It's gone.

02:56:50.000 It doesn't matter.

02:56:50.000 Oh, trolling, but no, I've got gone.

02:56:52.000 It's gone.

02:56:52.000 Troll.

02:56:53.000 It's gone.

02:56:53.000 You were accusing me of trolling.

02:56:55.000 No, I just can be trollish as I am.

02:56:57.000 As Anne Coulter can, as Donald Trump is.

02:56:57.000 As trollish.

02:57:01.000 I think we can all be trollish.

02:57:02.000 And being provocative and outrageous, saying things you believe in, the definition of trolling has expanded to cover that now.

02:57:10.000 It's become essentially a meaningless word, like racist.

02:57:12.000 Well, it's also a dismissal word.

02:57:14.000 It's like, you know, when someone calls you a sexist or someone calls you a bigot, they'll call you a troll.

02:57:19.000 I think what we all do, all four of us, is we say things, we gin up our jokes and our rhetoric and our provocation to get attention and to draw attention perhaps to people who are unnecessarily offended by things that they shouldn't be offended by to idiots.

02:57:35.000 But in the course of doing so, we do tell the truth and what we really believe in.

02:57:38.000 Now, you may be the sort of least.

02:57:41.000 On that spectrum that probably starts with you and ends with Trump, you're probably the least trollish, but you still do it.

02:57:49.000 Interesting.

02:57:50.000 Well, and I think it's part of that countercultural spectrum.

02:57:53.000 If people, you're not part of a right-wing establishment media.

02:57:56.000 You're your own thing.

02:57:57.000 You fall, I think, very squarely into that category we're talking about earlier.

02:58:01.000 I think many of the people who like each of us are the same.

02:58:05.000 We have a big overlap, I think, of listeners and fans.

02:58:08.000 Yes, I think we do too.

02:58:10.000 I think I'm trollish in some.

02:58:12.000 Here's one.

02:58:13.000 Like what I said earlier about tweeting about male feminists choking to death on vegan pizza. 1.00

02:58:17.000 That's clearly trollish.

02:58:18.000 I don't find it even the remotest bit offensive.

02:58:20.000 It just strikes me as good government policy.

02:58:26.000 We just did three hours, man.

02:58:27.000 Shit, really?

02:58:28.000 That was it.

02:58:28.000 Flew by.

02:58:30.000 And we could have done another three easily.

02:58:32.000 How often are you?

02:58:33.000 We're only going to come to blows once on the gay stage. 0.99

02:58:35.000 We weren't coming to blows.

02:58:36.000 We're just talking.

02:58:38.000 That's what's fun.

02:58:38.000 It's fun when people talk.

02:58:40.000 I think we got more heated about Christianity than anything.

02:58:42.000 Yes, we did because you're a militant atheist.

02:58:44.000 I'm not even an atheist.

02:58:45.000 Refuse to accept the obvious truth that you're.

02:58:49.000 Here's the thing, though.

02:58:50.000 The moral code of the world.

02:58:51.000 This is where people get me wrong.

02:58:53.000 I am not an atheist.

02:58:55.000 I'm not.

02:58:56.000 I wouldn't even classify myself as anti-religious.

02:58:59.000 I'm just, I don't believe people.

02:59:02.000 I think people are full of shit.

02:59:03.000 And when I read a story that's full of shit, first of all, I know too much about the construction of the Bible.

02:59:09.000 I know too much about the New Testament.

02:59:10.000 I know Constantine and a bunch of bishops constructed it and decided what to leave out.

02:59:15.000 I know Constantine didn't even become a Christian until right before he fucking died.

02:59:19.000 I know that the original Bible was written in ancient Hebrew.

02:59:22.000 And to this day, there's a fucking shit ton of words in ancient Hebrew that they have no idea what the hell they mean.

02:59:28.000 Not only that, that in ancient Hebrew, letters doubled as numbers.

02:59:32.000 So the letter A was also the number one.

02:59:32.000 There were no numbers.

02:59:34.000 There was a numerical value to words and sentences that was completely lost in the translation to Latin and Greek and eventually English.

02:59:42.000 I know that you're well-read and passionate on this subject, so let's move on.

02:59:45.000 Ah, we can't move on.

02:59:46.000 We're three hours in.

02:59:48.000 It's over.

02:59:49.000 I'm not even anti-God.

02:59:51.000 I've had so much fun.

02:59:51.000 I've had a great time.

02:59:52.000 It's been great.

02:59:52.000 Thank you for having me.

02:59:53.000 Fuck him, man.

02:59:54.000 Anytime.

02:59:55.000 If you're ever in town again, let's do it again.

02:59:57.000 We could probably be able to be able to be able to do it.

02:59:59.000 You can be sure I'll be back.

03:00:00.000 I'll take that to my patent state.

03:00:02.000 I really like a guest.

03:00:03.000 We could do 100 of these.

03:00:05.000 Yeah, I've had a lovely time.

03:00:06.000 And when you come to London, make sure you let me know and I'll take you out somewhere.

03:00:09.000 Absolutely.

03:00:10.000 I'm usually in London like once a year.

03:00:11.000 How often are you in Los Angeles?

03:00:13.000 Well I think I'm going to be around a lot more now.

03:00:15.000 Oh, someone's got something cooking.

03:00:17.000 I have.

03:00:20.000 I have a little announcement coming in the next seven days, which will draw me to the U.S. much more often.

03:00:26.000 Well, listen, you're a lot of fun.

03:00:27.000 Your articles are fantastic.

03:00:29.000 I really enjoy it.

03:00:30.000 Your Twitter feed's great.

03:00:31.000 Check it out.

03:00:32.000 It's Nero.

03:00:33.000 Nero, like the Friday.

03:00:34.000 The one who killed all the Christians. 1.00

03:00:35.000 That evil dude.

03:00:36.000 That evil dude.

03:00:37.000 That's who he is.

03:00:38.000 By the way, congratulations on getting that as a Twitter handle.

03:00:41.000 That's an excellent catch.

03:00:42.000 Friends in low places.

03:00:43.000 Excellent catch.

03:00:44.000 All right.

03:00:44.000 That's it, ladies and gentlemen.

03:00:45.000 We'll be back tomorrow.

03:00:47.000 Until then, go fuck yourselves.

03:00:48.000 All right.

03:00:49.000 Bye-bye.

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03:02:26.000 Never planned out any of this.

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The Joe Rogan Experience - October 01, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #702 - Milo Yiannopoulos

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