The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #718 - Christopher Ryan

00:00:03.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Dr. Chris Ryan.

00:00:08.000 Hello, America.

00:00:09.000 Hello, Christopher. 0.95

00:00:11.000 We were just talking about the pussy whip phenomenon. 0.84

00:00:13.000 We were talking about men who have wives that answer their phones, their cell phones. 0.76

00:00:19.000 Not to be helpful, like, you know, secretarial, hey, let me get your phone.

00:00:24.000 So I'm wondering if there are dudes who get off on that.

00:00:27.000 Oh yeah, they have a mommy that takes care of them. 1.00

00:00:29.000 This guy's kind of like that.

00:00:30.000 His wife, I called.

00:00:32.000 It was the first time I'd ever called him before off of this new number.

00:00:36.000 And I think she didn't have the number.

00:00:38.000 And so she answered it like accusatory, like, hello?

00:00:41.000 It was like I was doing something wrong.

00:00:43.000 Explain yourself. 1.00

00:00:44.000 Some dirty girl calling her man. 1.00

00:00:47.000 Who the fuck is this? 1.00

00:00:49.000 I was just like, hi. 1.00

00:00:50.000 I wish dirty girls called me. 1.00

00:00:54.000 The internet. 1.00

00:00:55.000 They'll call you.

00:00:57.000 They have questions.

00:00:58.000 I get some dirty emails sometimes.

00:01:00.000 I prefer that.

00:01:00.000 That's good.

00:01:01.000 Because that you can control.

00:01:03.000 Yeah, and you don't know if you're being catfished, though.

00:01:06.000 It's all right, as long as they're a nice picture. 0.99

00:01:08.000 I don't give a shit. 0.99

00:01:09.000 Give me a fantasy. 0.99

00:01:10.000 I'm reading a novel.

00:01:12.000 It's like you're reading the words of a character that someone's created.

00:01:14.000 Do it well.

00:01:15.000 I don't care.

00:01:16.000 I'm never going to meet you anyhow.

00:01:17.000 And men would know what men would actually be interested in.

00:01:20.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:01:22.000 I mean, I had Bailey Jay on my podcast recently. 0.96

00:01:24.000 You know who she is?

00:01:25.000 Yeah, she's coming on mine soon. 1.00

00:01:26.000 Oh, good.

00:01:27.000 She's wonderful.

00:01:28.000 I really like her.

00:01:29.000 And she was like, I think she said her husband's straight.

00:01:33.000 Well, let's explain who Bailey J is.

00:01:34.000 Oh, sorry, yeah. 1.00

00:01:35.000 Bailey J is a trans woman, a chick with a dick, who doesn't give a shit what pronoun you use. 1.00

00:01:41.000 But she does. 1.00

00:01:41.000 She got upset at Gavin McGinnis because Gavin was calling her a he. 1.00

00:01:45.000 Did she really?

00:01:46.000 Yeah.

00:01:47.000 Well, that's his words, though. 0.99

00:01:48.000 Oh, with me, because I asked her about that, and she was like, I don't give a shit. 0.99

00:01:52.000 She was really relaxed and funny. 0.98

00:01:54.000 See, Gavin says that, but there could have been some other things. 0.99

00:01:58.000 Maybe he was being a dick, you know? 0.99

00:02:00.000 Very possible. 0.98

00:02:01.000 He's the only guy I've ever had on the podcast where two of my friends called me up after the podcast and went, that's not true.

00:02:07.000 This is not what happened, let me tell you.

00:02:09.000 Kurt Metzger and Jim Norton both called me up complaining that what he said wasn't true.

00:02:14.000 He's an interesting cat, that Gavin.

00:02:16.000 Do you know who he is?

00:02:17.000 Names ring a bell, but I've got a picture of him, but I can't remember who he is.

00:02:21.000 He was one of the original founders of Vice, and they call him the godfather of the hipster movement because he dresses like...

00:02:30.000 Like, a really sharp-dressed guy from, like, the 1940s or something like that.

00:02:35.000 He wears, like, vests and ties and tailored suits and has this crazy facial hair. 0.79

00:02:41.000 Yeah, okay.

00:02:42.000 I've seen that, yeah.

00:02:43.000 And, you know, dresses really nice.

00:02:45.000 And he's super, like, he's on the right-wing side of things.

00:02:49.000 Like, very conservative in a lot of ways.

00:02:51.000 And he became a Catholic when he was, like, in his 40s. 0.99

00:02:55.000 There's a lot of weird shit going on with that. 0.99

00:02:57.000 For a woman? 1.00

00:02:59.000 Was it one of those things?

00:03:00.000 No, he was already married with kids, and he described it.

00:03:03.000 It was a very weird thing.

00:03:05.000 He said that he was looking at his daughter's foot, and he realized that there's a God.

00:03:13.000 I'm sure, given more time, he would like to express himself a little more clearly in that regard.

00:03:18.000 But I have a feeling that a lot of these right-wing people that...

00:03:23.000 That go pro-religion, where it doesn't make sense, where they're super analytical and rational and kind of calculated about other things.

00:03:34.000 But then when it comes to religion, they just completely give in and don't question it.

00:03:40.000 I feel like it's an affiliation thing.

00:03:43.000 I feel like if you want to be affiliated with the right, you have to be religious. 1.00

00:03:46.000 And I think that they recognize that, because they know that if you do that, if you blindly affiliate yourself with religion, and if you want to be, like, sort of ingrained in the right, you kind of have to be religious.

00:04:01.000 There's very few people that are conservative or on the right that are atheists or agnostics.

00:04:07.000 Right.

00:04:08.000 And you're right, there's much more unity on the right. 1.00

00:04:10.000 The left, everybody's stabbing each other in the back, which is why assholes rule the world, essentially. 0.99

00:04:15.000 They stick together and Well, it's disturbing to me. 0.99

00:04:18.000 And I've got some people coming up, some interesting podcast guests that are going to talk about it.

00:04:23.000 I talked about it with Dave Rubin recently, where he calls it...

00:04:27.000 And Dave's an interesting example because he is a gay man who is very...

00:04:33.000 He's across the board on a lot of different issues.

00:04:35.000 He's like...

00:04:36.000 He's pro-Second Amendment.

00:04:38.000 He's relaxed and analytical.

00:04:42.000 And he calls it the regressive left.

00:04:44.000 And it's almost like they've been fighting against the right so long, they've become their own version of that.

00:04:51.000 They've been fighting against the religious right or the super ultra-conservative regressive right, that they've become the regressive left.

00:04:58.000 And I think he's got some good points in that regard.

00:05:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:02.000 I try to get away from thinking left-right, you know, because to me it's more tolerant-intolerant.

00:05:10.000 And, you know, since Sex at Dawn came out, I expected a lot of blowback from the right.

00:05:15.000 And actually most of the blowback we've received has been from the left.

00:05:19.000 Really?

00:05:20.000 Yeah.

00:05:20.000 Really?

00:05:21.000 Yeah, because all the political correctness, you know? 0.94

00:05:23.000 Oh, you're a cisgendered white male with your, you know, mansplaining, blah, blah, blah. 0.89

00:05:29.000 Mansplaining? 0.94

00:05:29.000 You're not mansplaining it. 0.94

00:05:31.000 Please tell people that don't know, though.

00:05:33.000 Well, it's like the arrogant guy who explains everything, knows everything, you know?

00:05:38.000 Well, if you explain things and you're a man, you're mansplaining.

00:05:42.000 You know what I was thinking about recently?

00:05:44.000 And I don't want to get into, like, a men's rights thing, you know? 1.00

00:05:47.000 Because, I mean...

00:05:50.000 And there's a lot to be said there.

00:05:52.000 But anyway, I was thinking about man spreading.

00:05:55.000 You know what that is?

00:05:56.000 Yeah, on the subways and stuff.

00:05:57.000 Right, you sit with your legs open, you take up too much space.

00:06:01.000 Here's the problem with that.

00:06:02.000 A, men are generally bigger than women. 1.00

00:06:05.000 B, men have balls. 1.00

00:06:07.000 Where are we supposed to put our balls? 1.00

00:06:10.000 If you can't spread with your legs, where do your balls go? 1.00

00:06:13.000 Well, the idea is that you're being rude, though, because you should keep your balls compressed so that the people next to you aren't... 0.98

00:06:20.000 You know, they aren't encroached upon, you know, invade their space. 0.98

00:06:24.000 Well, I'll tell you what, my balls are getting encroached upon, and that's got a very immediate effect. 0.84

00:06:30.000 I think design the seats better. 0.93

00:06:32.000 That's true, but meanwhile the seats are what they are, and so for a very short amount of time, just think of it as an exercise in your inner thigh development.

00:06:40.000 Just keep them pinched and work on like an isometric tension sort of a thing.

00:06:45.000 I think about like putting someone in my guard, like I'm trying to hold a triangle.

00:06:49.000 Right.

00:06:49.000 So I keep my legs closed.

00:06:50.000 Well, look, I'll go with it if it becomes socially acceptable for me to put my hand down my pants and pull my balls up before I cross my legs, you know? 0.98

00:06:58.000 I think you should just do that. 0.99

00:06:59.000 Well, I do do that.

00:07:00.000 But, you know, then I shake their hand and people get all freaked out.

00:07:04.000 You should have like a ball-grabbing glove that you could just sort of slip on.

00:07:08.000 Slap it. 0.70

00:07:09.000 Snap. 0.99

00:07:10.000 I'm about to give myself a prostate exam. 0.98

00:07:12.000 This is only so that when I shake your hand, you know. 0.92

00:07:16.000 That's right.

00:07:16.000 Yeah.

00:07:18.000 It's the design sucks. 0.99

00:07:20.000 The design of the male body. 1.00

00:07:21.000 Like the balls on the outside is really stupid. 1.00

00:07:24.000 I think it's the design of the fucking seats. 1.00

00:07:26.000 I'm fine with my balls. 1.00

00:07:28.000 I mean, where they are. 1.00

00:07:29.000 Oh, so he kicks into the balls. 0.99

00:07:30.000 It's so vulnerable. 0.99

00:07:31.000 Yeah, from a fighter's perspective.

00:07:34.000 Yeah, it's a bad design. 0.98

00:07:35.000 Your balls are like the most vulnerable part of your body next to your brain, and they're right there. 0.99

00:07:39.000 Well, you know why they're there, right? 1.00

00:07:40.000 Keep it cool.

00:07:41.000 Keep them cool, right?

00:07:42.000 Yeah.

00:07:42.000 So that your boys are ready to roll at a moment's notice.

00:07:46.000 You've always got... 0.97

00:07:47.000 In Sexadon, we say the external scrotum is the equivalent of a fridge in your garage full of beer. 0.97

00:07:54.000 Yeah. 0.51

00:07:55.000 So you've got a spare fridge.

00:07:57.000 It's always ready to go.

00:07:58.000 Because you never know when the guys are coming over to watch a game.

00:08:01.000 You've got to have a couple of cases cool and ready to go.

00:08:04.000 Right. 0.99

00:08:04.000 You can't just pop your nuts out when you're thinking about having sex later on that night and let your sperm cool off. 0.99

00:08:10.000 But still, another shitty design. 1.00

00:08:12.000 And it's on every animal. 1.00

00:08:15.000 Every mammal has balls on the outside. 0.98

00:08:18.000 Well, no, not everyone. 0.98

00:08:19.000 Like gorillas, they're in the abdomen.

00:08:21.000 What?

00:08:22.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:08:23.000 They have such tiny dicks. 1.00

00:08:24.000 Tiny little dicks. 1.00

00:08:25.000 And see, that's why, but the male gorilla is twice the size of the female. 0.99

00:08:29.000 I didn't know their balls were in their abdomen, because chimps are hanging out. 1.00

00:08:32.000 Chimps are out, bonobos are out, and they're huge. 0.99

00:08:34.000 Giant.

00:08:35.000 They're like chicken eggs.

00:08:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:08:36.000 That's because the females are promiscuous. 0.99

00:08:39.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:08:39.000 So you got the balls outside the body, that's an indication of female promiscuity in the species. 0.99

00:08:44.000 Oh, I knew it was the size of the testicles was an indicator of female promiscuity. 1.00

00:08:48.000 I didn't know the balls outside the body. 1.00

00:08:50.000 Right. 1.00

00:08:50.000 So, ladies, if you don't like our mansplaining, how about you stop being whores? 1.00

00:08:54.000 And if you weren't, we won't manspread if you weren't hoeing around. 1.00

00:08:58.000 We wouldn't need our balls on the outside. 1.00

00:09:00.000 We could suck our balls up into our abdomen if you girls just keep your fucking legs shut. 1.00

00:09:05.000 How about that? 1.00

00:09:06.000 Do you ever see a yogi do that?

00:09:07.000 Oh, no, they do that? 1.00

00:09:08.000 They suck their balls into their body? 1.00

00:09:10.000 Have you seen it? 1.00

00:09:11.000 No.

00:09:12.000 I don't think it exists.

00:09:13.000 Jamie, find out if a guy can pull...

00:09:15.000 Yeah, I read it too.

00:09:16.000 There used to be a thing about Weichiru karate. 0.78

00:09:18.000 Like Weichiru guys, supposedly they would have these katas, and in the kata they would be able to suck their balls up into their body to prevent them from getting kicked. 1.00

00:09:28.000 I've never seen it. 0.94

00:09:29.000 I feel like I would have saw it already.

00:09:31.000 I'm not a big fan of any ball sucking, actually.

00:09:34.000 None? 0.74

00:09:34.000 Well, no, because it hurts. 0.74

00:09:36.000 Well, if a girl does it gentle, if she's good at it, and she's got the upward stroking thing while she's sucking on your sack, it's not a bad thing. 1.00

00:09:44.000 I've never popped a woody on the show before. 0.99

00:09:48.000 Some gals have skills. 1.00

00:09:50.000 That's all I'm trying to say. 0.99

00:09:52.000 You know, it's like we're not all created equal, whether it's basketball or painting or dick sucking. 0.98

00:09:58.000 Some people are artists. 0.97

00:09:59.000 We started this...

00:10:00.000 You said something about...

00:10:02.000 Never try to follow the chain.

00:10:05.000 Just let it roll. 1.00

00:10:07.000 Well, because, I mean, for some reason, five minutes ago, I had the thought, like, I remembered some gay guy saying to me, like, gay guys give better blowjobs than women do. 1.00

00:10:19.000 Or maybe he was bi. 1.00

00:10:20.000 Oh, we were talking about someone sending you a letter catfishing you, pretending to be a woman when they're really a man.

00:10:26.000 Oh, and you said if it's a dude, he knows what gets you off, right?

00:10:30.000 That reminded me of this thing. 0.99

00:10:32.000 And I was thinking like, yeah, I'll bet dudes give great blowjobs. 0.99

00:10:37.000 I would imagine. 1.00

00:10:38.000 And women, lesbians report much higher orgasmic frequency than straight women do. 0.98

00:10:43.000 Hmm. 0.79

00:10:44.000 And it's the same thing, right?

00:10:45.000 Like a woman knows how to go down on a woman where guys are just like, I don't know what to do. 0.99

00:10:49.000 Do I blow on it?

00:10:53.000 Yeah, it makes sense.

00:10:54.000 But isn't that like a communication thing?

00:10:56.000 Like you tell people what you like and why it feels good?

00:10:58.000 Yeah.

00:10:59.000 Some people are just not good at communicating sexually.

00:11:02.000 It's interesting because it's one of the few things that people can be really embarrassed about communicating about.

00:11:08.000 People tell you what colors they like.

00:11:10.000 I don't like a couch that's white.

00:11:13.000 My car has got to be black.

00:11:15.000 People have weird rules when it comes to things that they enjoy.

00:11:18.000 But when it comes to sex, it's really hard for people to express what they enjoy.

00:11:23.000 Yeah, I had dinner last night with a sex therapist and we were talking about that.

00:11:26.000 And she's like, She was like, you know, I've got people come in, they've been married 25 years, and they've never talked about, like, what position works, you know?

00:11:35.000 Or, you know, that she doesn't like it when you do that, and you've been doing it 25 years thinking she gets off on it?

00:11:41.000 This is her thing. 1.00

00:11:42.000 The cunt punch. 1.00

00:11:46.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:11:47.000 Yeah, it's a weird thing, sex.

00:11:49.000 You know?

00:11:49.000 It's weird.

00:11:50.000 You're wanting someone to touch your body in a way that's pleasurable, and it really is sort of...

00:11:55.000 Ultimately based around reproduction.

00:11:58.000 I mean, that's what the whole feeling and sensitivity is ultimately about, naturally, or nature-wise.

00:12:03.000 Yeah, I mean, we argue in Sex at Dawn that in humans, sexuality got co-opted away from reproduction towards social uses.

00:12:13.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:12:14.000 Yeah, but originally, you're right.

00:12:15.000 I mean, that's why all the nerve endings are there and, you know, all that business.

00:12:19.000 But even that, like, you could argue that having it been co-opted and having it move away from just being about reproductive, just the pleasure being tied into...

00:12:31.000 Being a reproductive mechanism, it's still about reproductive, even if it's socially, because in the social thing, it's one part of a greater pattern of things that's set in place to make sure that you have the preferred mate.

00:12:46.000 You know, like socially as well, like seeing how someone interacts with someone socially, seeing how someone...

00:12:52.000 All those things are like sort of set up this like...

00:12:57.000 Very complex dance of interaction between men and women where you're trying to figure out what is the best case scenario for someone that you're going to get together with, that you're going to establish some sort of a really intense relationship and bond with.

00:13:13.000 And the most intense, ultimately, at least the most...

00:13:17.000 The most committed is having a child that you have to take care of together.

00:13:20.000 Because then you're not just committed to it in the sense of, I love you and you love me, but now we have to take care of people.

00:13:27.000 And so now we have to sort of abandon our own needs to take care of these people as well.

00:13:32.000 And we've kind of gotten this position by virtue of our being able to socially jive with each other.

00:13:40.000 Yeah, I would argue and have argued that in hunter-gatherer times, that sort of nuclear family thing that you're positing, the mother-father-child, is much more fluid.

00:13:53.000 And so women weren't really that concerned about a mate in that sort of long-term sense.

00:14:00.000 You're talking about like tribal situations?

00:14:02.000 Yeah, foragers, which is 95% or more of our existence as a species, right?

00:14:09.000 So what I argue in Sex at Dawn is that there's more dispersed responsibility for childcare, that food is shared, that defense is shared, everything's shared.

00:14:20.000 And that really freaks out 20th century and 21st century Western scientists because it smacks of communism, you know?

00:14:27.000 But that's simply the fact.

00:14:29.000 If you look at hunter-gatherers that still exist or, you know, even bonobos, right?

00:14:34.000 One of the primates most closely related to us, they share food.

00:14:37.000 Very egalitarian, right?

00:14:40.000 And so I think that the woman's admiration for a man Isn't necessarily sexual attraction for the man. 0.99

00:14:52.000 So she might be fucking a dude who's actually genetically more compatible with her. 1.00

00:14:58.000 But, you know, she spends more time with another guy. 1.00

00:15:03.000 Yeah.

00:15:28.000 This woman tweeted something the other day, and I responded to it.

00:15:32.000 It was really interesting.

00:15:33.000 She's an author, and she was saying that women, like men, complain that sometimes when men and women are together for long periods of time, that the woman no longer wants to have sex.

00:15:45.000 Right.

00:15:45.000 She goes, well, why is it so obvious to men that they want genetic diversity, right?

00:15:50.000 They want to spread their seed.

00:15:52.000 But when a woman is done with your DNA, like, she's already had kids with you. 1.00

00:15:58.000 She's going to want dick from other dudes. 1.00

00:16:00.000 Like, it makes sense that she would want other DNA. Like, why would it be that she would only want kids from one man? 1.00

00:16:06.000 And she said, she Googled it and she couldn't find it anywhere.

00:16:09.000 And I think actually you and I had discussed this once, like this idea, but it totally makes sense.

00:16:15.000 Right?

00:16:16.000 Yeah, sure.

00:16:17.000 I mean, genetic diversity is a big thing.

00:16:19.000 I think I just pulled out my...

00:16:20.000 Did you?

00:16:21.000 Oh, that earplug?

00:16:24.000 We'll figure it out, Jamie.

00:16:25.000 Did it pop right in there?

00:16:26.000 I just moved my foot and something popped up there.

00:16:29.000 Oh, it connects over there.

00:16:30.000 Sorry, folks.

00:16:31.000 No worries.

00:16:32.000 They didn't know.

00:16:32.000 I didn't even know.

00:16:33.000 Only you can hear.

00:16:34.000 I just heard a good...

00:16:35.000 Crazy.

00:16:36.000 Yeah.

00:16:37.000 What are we talking about?

00:16:38.000 The genetic diversity.

00:16:41.000 Did I ever tell you about the goat-sheep study?

00:16:45.000 I'm not sure.

00:16:46.000 It's a great one.

00:16:47.000 It took place in Scotland.

00:16:50.000 Do you need a light?

00:16:51.000 No.

00:16:53.000 They wanted to understand how males and females differ in their adaptation to how they imprint sexually.

00:17:05.000 So what they did was they took all the babies born one year from the sheep herd and put them in the goat herd.

00:17:12.000 And then they took all the baby goats and put them in the sheep herd.

00:17:15.000 Oh, yeah, we did talk about this.

00:17:16.000 So in the end, the males were fixed, right?

00:17:20.000 They would only have sex with the one that they had grown up with. 1.00

00:17:24.000 But the females were like, whatever, put me with the goats, I'll fuck the goats, put me with the sheep, I'll fuck the sheep, I don't care. 1.00

00:17:29.000 So there's just this fluidity in female sexual response that in males you don't have. 1.00

00:17:34.000 And I think last time I was on, we talked about fetishes and how almost all fetishes are men.

00:17:40.000 Yeah, I'm going to get that girl on. 0.99

00:17:42.000 It's Sierra.

00:17:43.000 Is that her name?

00:17:44.000 Sierra Lynch?

00:17:44.000 Yeah.

00:17:44.000 Oh, you're going to have her on?

00:17:45.000 Good.

00:17:46.000 She's great. 1.00

00:17:47.000 I need to hear about the humiliation and all the crazy shit that she has these guys pay her to do. 1.00

00:17:53.000 It just sounds so bizarre. 1.00

00:17:54.000 Yeah.

00:17:55.000 I need to hear about this.

00:17:57.000 She's, you know, like you were talking about the porn star earlier, not this year as a porn star per se, but she's so sweet and nice and like...

00:18:06.000 I'm sure.

00:18:07.000 You know, she's just really... 0.57

00:18:08.000 She's probably just unrepressed as well, you know?

00:18:10.000 I mean, she's just, her life is so bizarre in comparison to the average person that sometimes, I think, we have all these like self-imposed borders that we put on our behavior.

00:18:22.000 And I think that's one of the reasons why someone like her exists, like you're a release valve for all this pressure, this repression that a lot of it is self-imposed. 0.77

00:18:31.000 And so they try to find some sort of an outlet for all their kinky, weird shit that really builds up, almost like a residue of our mundane, suppressed society. 0.96

00:18:41.000 Yeah, and it builds up precisely because it's repressed, right? 0.99

00:18:45.000 That's what this sex therapist last night was saying to me.

00:18:48.000 If people have a way to express this energy, then it doesn't become problematic because it doesn't build up.

00:18:58.000 If a dude wants to dress up in women's clothes or whatever, and his wife's cool with it, every once in a while he dresses up and is like, okay, whatever, that's cool. 0.99

00:19:05.000 But if she would freak out, it starts to become a big issue in his life.

00:19:11.000 Last time I was on, I think we talked about...

00:19:14.000 I have this theory of how some people have a homosexuality fetish as opposed to being born homosexuals.

00:19:23.000 Dude, I must have gotten 30 or 40 emails from men after that saying, Dude, that's me.

00:19:29.000 I've never heard anyone describe that.

00:19:30.000 That's me.

00:19:31.000 And now I'm getting a lot of...

00:19:33.000 I've gotten several really moving emails from...

00:19:38.000 I think?

00:19:49.000 I feel this.

00:19:50.000 I don't ever want to act on it.

00:19:52.000 I don't want to ever do anything.

00:19:53.000 But I can't tell anyone.

00:19:55.000 I can't go to a therapist because they, by law, have to turn me in.

00:19:58.000 The culture is so freaked about anything around sex and kids that we're shooting ourselves in the foot because we're not giving these guys away to let some of that energy vent off.

00:20:15.000 I think we have to admit that there's something going on in the mind that causes this.

00:20:22.000 And they have to figure out what that is.

00:20:24.000 Well, almost always it's guys who got abused themselves.

00:20:27.000 Did these guys say that?

00:20:29.000 Were they saying that?

00:20:30.000 Yeah.

00:20:31.000 So what is it when you get abused as a child, like it triggers something in you and then that becomes attached to sexuality?

00:20:38.000 Yeah, I think, I mean, I haven't done any research, original research.

00:20:44.000 I've read a lot of papers, right?

00:20:45.000 So take it for what it's worth.

00:20:47.000 But my feeling is that it's like what we talked about last time with fetishes.

00:20:53.000 There's a developmental period for boys, somewhere between 5 and 10 years of age, where an experience can imprint on you permanently.

00:21:04.000 And so that could be expressed as, like, you need to smell latex to get off, or you need to be humiliated by somebody like Sierra, or whatever it is. 0.90

00:21:17.000 Or it could be you want to have a sexual experience with a man, even though you're not gay, because you had that experience when you were seven and that imprinted on you. 0.99

00:21:29.000 And that's what that goat-sheep thing is about, right? 0.97

00:21:33.000 They wanted to understand, like, is this a male mammalian thing, right?

00:21:38.000 And so that's why they're looking at different species where, yeah, these males... 0.99

00:21:43.000 Even though they're goats, they were with sheep when they came of age sexually, and for the rest of their lives they can only fuck sheep. 0.99

00:21:51.000 Well, what is it with women, then, if it's a male mammalian thing? 0.99

00:21:55.000 Because many women, when they're young, if they're sexually abused, they associate sex with worth, and they become hypersexual at a very early age. 0.93

00:22:06.000 They're more prone to masturbating at an early age.

00:22:11.000 I think that's more psychological.

00:22:15.000 With the males, I think, and of course there are many exceptions to what I'm saying, but I think with males it's more just a question of imprint.

00:22:22.000 It's there, you can't change it. 0.96

00:22:24.000 So it might be latex, it might be red high heels, it might be big tits or whatever. 1.00

00:22:29.000 And more of a fetish thing. 0.99

00:22:30.000 Right, a fetish thing. 0.84

00:22:32.000 And so if you're sexually abused as a kid... 1.00

00:22:37.000 The thing is, alright, you're a seven-year-old boy, and your priest sucks your dick, right? 1.00

00:22:44.000 It's freaky, it's bizarre, but it feels good, because those nerve endings are there. 1.00

00:22:50.000 No matter how weird the situation is, there's a physiological pleasure associated with it.

00:22:56.000 And also, when you're seven, you don't know how weird it is, you don't know what's going on, right?

00:23:00.000 You just know, like, wow, that felt great, and this guy likes me, and I'm special, and So it imprints on a neurological level.

00:23:08.000 Whereas with girls, I think what happens is, you know, daddy's really nice to me when this happens.

00:23:15.000 Daddy really likes it when I do that.

00:23:18.000 And I love daddy, and so those sort of connections are made on a level of personality. 0.99

00:23:23.000 Goddamn. 0.96

00:23:25.000 Yeah, it's heavy, but to deal with it, we can't pretend it isn't real. 0.99

00:23:31.000 Yeah, that is the issue, right?

00:23:33.000 How do you mitigate that in printing?

00:23:38.000 When it comes to how they interface with society.

00:23:41.000 How do you figure out a way that you recognize the fact that they do have this issue and this issue was an imprinting issue because of sexual molestation as a young person?

00:23:52.000 How do you deal with that?

00:23:57.000 And somehow or another, I mean, I wonder what, if anything, could fit.

00:24:02.000 I mean, I wonder if they've ever done any studies on psychedelics, like really intense ones, like iboga, things along those lines, like how that reacts to people or how people react to that when they have those kind of issues.

00:24:17.000 Yeah.

00:24:17.000 Well, I think that's the way we need to look.

00:24:21.000 Because, I mean, I just finished writing a chapter on psychedelics in this book I'm working on now.

00:24:26.000 And one of the big points is that psychedelics are really good for breaking addiction and addictive behavior.

00:24:33.000 Especially Iboga, right?

00:24:35.000 Iboga is great because it's so intense.

00:24:37.000 Yeah.

00:24:37.000 But I mean, ayahuasca is great.

00:24:40.000 Psilocybin, you know, different.

00:24:42.000 But Iboga is famous for it.

00:24:44.000 The idea, I think, is that these boundary disillusion, these boundary dissolving, rather, experiences are so intense that...

00:24:53.000 Whatever patterns you had that were there before, they've sort of been dissolved for at least a short period of time.

00:25:01.000 I've always described really intense psychedelic experiences as being like a reset button, like you're pressing Control-Alt-Delete.

00:25:08.000 On your brain.

00:25:09.000 And that when your brain reboots, you're left with a blank desktop with one folder in it. 1.00

00:25:15.000 And that folder's labeled my old bullshit. 0.99

00:25:18.000 And then in that my old bullshit folder, you have to decide, like, what do I do? 0.99

00:25:23.000 Do I look at this folder and look at it like an outsider and just try to see what is useful, if anything, about my old bullshit? 0.98

00:25:32.000 Or do I fall right back into these comfortable old patterns because those are all I've known for X amount of years of my life until now? 0.75

00:25:39.000 I think for a lot of people, they have these big... 0.91

00:25:43.000 Experiences and these big breakthrough moments and then they go I'm gonna be new I'm gonna be different I'm gonna change and then it's too uncomfortable and then there's too much time between that experience in the next one and they slowly slide right back into my old bullshit yeah at least at least Partially, 0.89

00:25:59.000 you know at least in some way.

00:26:01.000 Yeah fall fall prey to the victim of the patterns of their past That's why it's so cool to have ritualized, sort of culturally-approved use, like the peyote and the Huicholangians, right? 0.99

00:26:16.000 Where every year they go to the desert, and as they're going out to gather the peyote, every night around the fire they confess everything they've done that year that was wrong.

00:26:29.000 So they, like, cleanse themselves.

00:26:32.000 You know, and then they take the peyote and they have that experience, which, you know, I think that sort of sequential ritual helps to seal in the changes, the benefits, you know?

00:26:45.000 Whereas with us, like, okay, you go to Peru, you do it, you're back.

00:26:48.000 You know, you're back in your old patterns.

00:26:50.000 Yeah, we've talked about this before, rites of passage, you know, rites of passage for adults, that I think that these moments of celebration and ceremony, that sometimes they can be like really beneficial because they physically mark like a big change in your life.

00:27:05.000 Like it makes this thing, this new thing that becomes a part of your life.

00:27:11.000 My phone has decided to transcribe everything I'm saying here.

00:27:16.000 Look at this.

00:27:16.000 Really?

00:27:17.000 See what's going on here?

00:27:18.000 I must have said, Hey Siri.

00:27:20.000 Wow.

00:27:22.000 Because...

00:27:22.000 I've been doing that too.

00:27:23.000 Look at this.

00:27:23.000 Randomly.

00:27:24.000 Yeah.

00:27:25.000 You sure the NSA isn't turning that on?

00:27:27.000 Well, what are they going to do?

00:27:28.000 They can just listen to the podcast.

00:27:29.000 Yeah, they just listen and transcribe it later.

00:27:30.000 But Hey Siri has this new thing.

00:27:33.000 Like, watch, I'll show you this.

00:27:34.000 This is bizarre.

00:27:35.000 Like, I don't even...

00:27:36.000 Excuse me, I'm talking. 1.00

00:27:38.000 You're not on the microphone, you fuck. 1.00

00:27:40.000 You're not Siri. 1.00

00:27:42.000 I can say it into it, and when I say it into it, it'll call you like, Hey Siri, call Chris Ryan.

00:27:48.000 My number's not going to come up, is it?

00:27:50.000 Yeah.

00:27:50.000 Which one?

00:27:52.000 You've got more than one phone.

00:27:53.000 Oh, it's a bunch of Ryans. 1.00

00:27:55.000 Chris Ryan, you fuck. 1.00

00:27:58.000 It writes, Chris Ryan, you fuck. 1.00

00:28:01.000 A bunch of Ryan, Chris Ryan, you fuck. 1.00

00:28:05.000 I mean, Chris Ryan, the first one, douchebag. 1.00

00:28:09.000 That's funny. 0.98

00:28:11.000 Oh, there it is.

00:28:12.000 There it is.

00:28:13.000 It listened to me.

00:28:15.000 That's nice.

00:28:16.000 I said, think about all those words that I said. 0.98

00:28:18.000 The first one, douchebag. 0.98

00:28:19.000 It's crazy. 0.98

00:28:20.000 The one that says Chris Ryan.

00:28:20.000 Like, it figured out how to do that.

00:28:22.000 So, I was on stage in the comedy store, and I was explaining how crazy phones are now.

00:28:30.000 So, I said, I'm going to show you something.

00:28:32.000 I made this recording.

00:28:33.000 And, you know, I record all my sets because I'm always working on new material and blah, blah, blah.

00:28:38.000 So anyway, I'm on stage and I said, now watch this.

00:28:40.000 I go, you know, hey Siri, call Brian Callen.

00:28:44.000 And so it starts calling Brian Callen while I'm on stage.

00:28:47.000 But I made a recording of this.

00:28:48.000 So I'm listening to the recording in my car as I'm driving.

00:28:51.000 So my car, my phone is playing in my car, the recording, through the Bluetooth.

00:28:57.000 And it says in the recording, hey Siri, call Brian Callen. 0.98

00:29:02.000 So while the recording's going on, my fucking phone starts calling Brian Callen. 0.98

00:29:07.000 Like, how bizarre. 0.99

00:29:08.000 That's an endless loop right there.

00:29:10.000 It is an endless loop.

00:29:11.000 It's two mirrors looking at each other.

00:29:12.000 And poor Brian Callens getting all these weird phone calls.

00:29:14.000 Yeah.

00:29:15.000 I'm putting it on airplane mode so it doesn't work.

00:29:17.000 But how strange that you can just talk to your phone now.

00:29:22.000 Like, you don't even have to press a button anymore.

00:29:23.000 Well, I got a nice...

00:29:25.000 I mean, Google has these new Nexus phones.

00:29:28.000 You know, I just ordered one.

00:29:30.000 And the main reason I ordered it is they've also got this...

00:29:34.000 I forget what it's called, FY or something.

00:29:36.000 It's a plan that they only do with their phones, where it's $20 a month, unlimited text and voice, and then you pay, I think it's $10 a gig for data.

00:29:47.000 But it automatically picks whatever network is strongest where you are, so it flips from Verizon to AT&T to Sprint, whatever, as you're moving.

00:29:57.000 As soon as you get home, it automatically goes to your Wi-Fi.

00:29:59.000 It always picks Wi-Fi when possible.

00:30:02.000 Whoa.

00:30:02.000 So it's designed to keep your bills as small as possible.

00:30:05.000 And here's why I got it.

00:30:07.000 It's the same all over the world.

00:30:09.000 So I don't know.

00:30:10.000 Like, I've always had a Spanish phone, an American phone.

00:30:13.000 Then I got an unlocked phone with two SIM cards, and then I have to switch. 0.99

00:30:16.000 And then the SIM card expires, you know, because I haven't been to Spain for a while, and then it's a big fucking pain in the ass. 0.99

00:30:21.000 This is like one phone around the world. 0.99

00:30:23.000 And this is all through Google?

00:30:25.000 It's all through Google, yeah.

00:30:26.000 I guess Google has deals with the various...

00:30:29.000 They're Skynet, dude.

00:30:30.000 They're so terrifying.

00:30:32.000 They're slowly but surely buying up all these Android companies.

00:30:35.000 They're buying up robotics companies.

00:30:37.000 They're working on artificial intelligence.

00:30:39.000 They're working on drivable...

00:30:40.000 Those cars.

00:30:40.000 Those cars that drive themselves.

00:30:42.000 Yesterday they invited me to come and speak at their headquarters and wherever the fuck they are. 1.00

00:30:47.000 Did they ask for your DNA? No, you know what they did? 0.99

00:30:49.000 So they asked me to come and give a talk and I'm like, fuck yeah, Google. 0.97

00:30:54.000 And then we go back and forth a few times and then I said, I'd like to bring my wife as well. 0.92

00:30:58.000 She'd love to see the headquarters.

00:31:00.000 And then it's like, oh, we don't have a budget for travel.

00:31:06.000 Can you fly yourself to San Francisco? 0.99

00:31:11.000 Google doesn't have a fucking... 0.99

00:31:13.000 I'm gonna give a talk for free, right? 0.99

00:31:15.000 Giving you a day of my life.

00:31:18.000 And you want me to pay my flight, Google?

00:31:20.000 You don't even have flight money?

00:31:23.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:31:23.000 You guys have fucking spaceship money. 0.99

00:31:26.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:31:27.000 Exactly.

00:31:28.000 I mean, I want to come under the seas.

00:31:31.000 Maybe it was like some Google employee that wasn't, they weren't, you know, they didn't get clearance.

00:31:36.000 Well, that's what I said.

00:31:37.000 I mean, I said like, oh, I thought this was an official Google event.

00:31:40.000 Right.

00:31:40.000 And I don't have time, you know, if it's...

00:31:43.000 And he's like, no, no, this is an official event.

00:31:45.000 I'm like... 0.98

00:31:47.000 Are you fucking kidding? 0.99

00:31:48.000 I don't get it. 0.99

00:31:50.000 It's Google. 0.99

00:31:50.000 That's so retarded. 0.99

00:31:52.000 That's unbelievably retarded. 1.00

00:31:54.000 The fact that they would think that would be okay, that you would just go, yeah, I'll spend money for you. 0.96

00:31:59.000 Sure.

00:31:59.000 Fly to this gigantic campus that's worth billions of dollars as you siphon up all the world's resources and develop the Ubermunch robot killing machine.

00:32:09.000 Let me bring you lunch, you know? 1.00

00:32:11.000 How about I suck your dick while I'm there, too? 1.00

00:32:13.000 I'm a man. 1.00

00:32:14.000 I'm good at it.

00:32:17.000 That's gross, man.

00:32:18.000 I know, it's done.

00:32:19.000 Well, you know, that was like the argument for, there's a lot of these festivals, like South by Southwest, you know, that they put on these gigantic festivals, and they don't pay the artists.

00:32:29.000 They don't have any money.

00:32:30.000 But it's owned by Southwest, like South by Southwest, like Southwest Airlines sponsoring the whole thing.

00:32:35.000 And they don't even fly you there.

00:32:37.000 I'm like, you can't fly me on your own airline to your thing where you want me to work for free. 1.00

00:32:42.000 You guys are out of your fucking mind? 1.00

00:32:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:32:44.000 But because it's a big deal to be there, a lot of people just say, I just want to be a part of this, and they go anywhere. 1.00

00:32:52.000 Fair enough.

00:32:52.000 And I'm sure you get these pitches all the time.

00:32:55.000 What's this thing?

00:32:56.000 Summit?

00:32:57.000 Yeah.

00:32:58.000 Same deal, right?

00:32:59.000 It's like come to the mountain or go on the cruise or whatever.

00:33:02.000 But what pisses me off is they don't tell you up front.

00:33:05.000 The first four or five exchanges...

00:33:08.000 You're under the impression that this is a paying gig.

00:33:27.000 We've been going back and forth, and I have to ask you, like, you know, by the way, my standard fee is X. Oh, no, this is because you get to meet all these great people.

00:33:37.000 Yeah, but you're charging money for tickets.

00:33:39.000 Like, people have to pay to go to this thing.

00:33:41.000 Exactly.

00:33:42.000 And I'm the attraction.

00:33:43.000 Right.

00:33:45.000 They're paying so they can meet me.

00:33:48.000 So welcome to the future.

00:33:50.000 Well, there's a lot of that going on.

00:33:52.000 I mean, Jamie and I were just discussing that actually before the show started about these companies that are trying to capitalize on podcasts where they're coming along and they're trying to take a piece of the action.

00:34:02.000 And offer some non-existent service that's going to connect you with more fans in exchange for a piece of the show.

00:34:09.000 And I'm like, they're just banking on the fact that it seems good because it's a big company.

00:34:15.000 Like there's something attached to being attached to a big company.

00:34:20.000 Actually, the contrary is true.

00:34:21.000 It's a bad thing to be attached to a big company. 0.99

00:34:24.000 Then you have to meet with all these people and they get to decide which direction your shit goes in. 0.99

00:34:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:34:31.000 And that summit thing, man, I got an email, and I think you were in it.

00:34:35.000 It was a bunch of faces on the email.

00:34:38.000 Like, are you on the website? 0.85

00:34:39.000 I fucking hope not, because I said no. 0.92

00:34:42.000 Well, I don't know, man. 0.99

00:34:43.000 There was a lot of people that were on it that I was looking at that was like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:34:47.000 You know, I was looking at it, and I was like, this seems, like, very strange. 0.98

00:34:51.000 Like, there's a lot of people involved in this thing.

00:34:53.000 Hold on.

00:34:54.000 Yeah, well, they invited me to go on this cruise, which is next week, I think.

00:34:59.000 And, you know, it is like they've got a lot of heavy hitters going on the cruise, right?

00:35:04.000 As, you know, whatever.

00:35:06.000 Not presenters, but it's like the CEO of Google is going to be there and, you know, Mark Zuckerberg or somebody, all these kind of people.

00:35:13.000 Graham Hancock's on this thing.

00:35:15.000 Right.

00:35:16.000 I wonder if they told him.

00:35:18.000 He thinks he's getting paid.

00:35:21.000 Yeah, there's a lot of people on this thing that seem like they should be getting paid.

00:35:26.000 It's a very impressive lineup of human beings.

00:35:30.000 Maybe they pay some of them, and I'm just not in the pay grade.

00:35:34.000 I don't know.

00:35:35.000 Well, I don't know either.

00:35:38.000 I guess it would kind of make sense if it was free for everybody.

00:35:43.000 Well, or if your thing is about, like, you need to, like, let's say, like, Ted does this, too, right?

00:35:53.000 It's all a networking opportunity. 0.61

00:35:54.000 So if you're like a guy with an idea and you need investors, then fuck yeah, that's a great thing to do.

00:36:00.000 But if you're an entertainer, you've got your own audience... 0.89

00:36:03.000 I mean, I'm not looking for billionaires to listen to my podcast.

00:36:06.000 That's not really my demographic, you know?

00:36:09.000 Yeah.

00:36:09.000 So there's really nothing in it for me.

00:36:12.000 Unless the billionaire is interested.

00:36:14.000 But they're an individual at that one point in time.

00:36:17.000 They're just a person that might happen to be rich.

00:36:20.000 Like if Richard Branson started listening to your podcast, you wouldn't be bummed out.

00:36:24.000 Like, oh, that's cool.

00:36:25.000 He seems like an interesting guy.

00:36:26.000 Like, it wouldn't be like...

00:36:27.000 What an awesome opportunity to network and now pitch in my startup.

00:36:31.000 Right.

00:36:32.000 You know, and that's what a lot of these people are doing.

00:36:34.000 Whenever I hear that term, you know, I'm involved in a startup, I just want to run in the opposite direction. 0.99

00:36:39.000 Just fucking flee. 1.00

00:36:40.000 I don't even know what you just said, but I got to get the fuck away from you before you hit me with some emails about some shit that I don't give a fuck about. 1.00

00:36:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:36:47.000 Yeah, actually, I mean, I badmouth Ted, but I did become very good friends with the billionaire there.

00:36:53.000 There you go.

00:36:54.000 And he's like, I've been on his yacht a bunch of times, and it's great.

00:36:58.000 Well, there you go.

00:36:59.000 You networked.

00:37:00.000 And here's the cool thing.

00:37:01.000 This guy, I mean, I don't know if he's a billionaire, but he lives on a 130-foot yacht, which has a gym.

00:37:07.000 Well, that alone is probably worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:37:12.000 I don't know.

00:37:12.000 I'm not up on yacht prices.

00:37:14.000 I think they are.

00:37:14.000 But this is like a Russian oligarch kind of yacht, right?

00:37:17.000 Oh, yeah.

00:37:18.000 No helicopter.

00:37:19.000 He's got a gym on his yacht.

00:37:20.000 There's a gym, there's a sauna, there's a jacuzzi, there's a walk-in freezer.

00:37:25.000 How do you lift weights in the waves?

00:37:26.000 Machines.

00:37:26.000 Does it balance out?

00:37:27.000 They're not free weights.

00:37:28.000 It's all machines.

00:37:28.000 Yeah.

00:37:29.000 You wouldn't want them rolling around.

00:37:31.000 But anyway, he made his money on wind farms.

00:37:34.000 So there's not even, like, bad karma.

00:37:36.000 Oh, yeah.

00:37:37.000 That's nice.

00:37:37.000 And he's a really nice guy.

00:37:39.000 That's nice.

00:37:40.000 Yeah.

00:37:41.000 He's funny. 0.96

00:37:42.000 He's raping the wind.

00:37:43.000 Stealing all our wind. 0.97

00:37:44.000 He's making love to the wind. 1.00

00:37:46.000 All that fucking white man taking all our wind. 1.00

00:37:50.000 My kid, we were driving yesterday. 1.00

00:37:53.000 She wanted to watch Peter Pan.

00:37:55.000 We went to see the movie the other day.

00:37:57.000 And the movie is pretty cool.

00:37:59.000 It's kind of intense.

00:38:00.000 But this is my youngest.

00:38:02.000 She's five.

00:38:03.000 And the movie was a little freaked out.

00:38:05.000 For her.

00:38:06.000 A little too freaky.

00:38:07.000 There was a lot of violence.

00:38:08.000 Even though it was implied violence, you kind of get it.

00:38:11.000 It scared her.

00:38:12.000 A lot of mean people yelling.

00:38:13.000 Big crocodile.

00:38:14.000 So she wanted to watch the cartoon instead.

00:38:16.000 So I put on the cartoon. 0.99

00:38:17.000 Peter Pan, the cartoon, is old as fuck, right? 1.00

00:38:20.000 So I put it on and it is racist as fuck! 0.99

00:38:25.000 Like, it's one of those cartoons from, like, whenever. 0.99

00:38:28.000 I mean, when did they make Peter Pan?

00:38:29.000 In the 50s, maybe?

00:38:31.000 Yeah, a long-ass time ago.

00:38:33.000 But it's, like, they're going to war with the engines in this.

00:38:39.000 They're fighting engines.

00:38:40.000 What does it say?

00:38:42.000 53. Yeah, there you go.

00:38:44.000 Well, I'm a little disappointed in them.

00:38:45.000 53 was a little bit more in light.

00:38:47.000 I was hoping it was like in the 30s.

00:38:49.000 Engines.

00:38:50.000 God, my God.

00:38:51.000 One of the songs in it was What Made the Red Man Red.

00:38:56.000 It was just like, ooh.

00:38:58.000 Did your daughter notice that it was racist?

00:39:00.000 She has no idea.

00:39:01.000 She sees cartoons.

00:39:02.000 She's zoning out while we're driving her.

00:39:05.000 Her little dance class.

00:39:06.000 She's not thinking about it.

00:39:08.000 She's just looking at something that's more interesting than being on the road.

00:39:13.000 I'm not a huge fan of sitting the kids down in front of the TV, but there's a lot of shows that are educational.

00:39:19.000 They actually learn from them.

00:39:20.000 If you could put on a good educational program, they actually pick up some stuff from it.

00:39:25.000 Some of the little kid shows that they have today, they have little lessons that the kid can learn about how to be nice and what's the benefit about telling the truth when you made mistakes and not getting upset at people and that kind of stuff.

00:39:39.000 It's kind of cool.

00:39:40.000 But not those old movies.

00:39:42.000 Those old movies, it's just racism.

00:39:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:39:46.000 After World War II, there was a lot of weird shit. 0.98

00:39:48.000 Like Pepe Le Pew? 0.99

00:39:50.000 I mean, come on. 0.99

00:39:51.000 Like French people stink? 1.00

00:39:52.000 They pissed off. 1.00

00:39:53.000 And he's a creep, yeah. 1.00

00:39:55.000 He was the rapiest fucking cartoon character ever. 0.99

00:39:58.000 I mean, they never expressed why. 1.00

00:40:01.000 They never showed him fucking. 0.99

00:40:03.000 But he was always clinging and grabbing and hugging and he just wanted to kiss. 1.00

00:40:08.000 He's always this fucking stinky rapist. 1.00

00:40:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:40:12.000 And who was the other, the Dudley Do-Right?

00:40:15.000 Oh, yeah.

00:40:16.000 That chick was always tied to the railroad tracks. 1.00

00:40:19.000 Was Dudley Do-Right the Canadian?

00:40:20.000 Yeah, the Mountie.

00:40:21.000 He rode his horse backwards.

00:40:24.000 And the Lone Ranger and Tonto.

00:40:26.000 You know what Tonto means in Spanish?

00:40:28.000 No. 1.00

00:40:28.000 Idiot. 1.00

00:40:29.000 In Spanish? 1.00

00:40:30.000 Yeah.

00:40:30.000 But Native American, what does it mean?

00:40:33.000 As if there's one Native American language?

00:40:35.000 Well, they have some variations, but they have similar words. 0.99

00:40:39.000 I think the writers were fucking with us. 0.70

00:40:43.000 I think it was like Samistat, the Russian thing where you slip it past the censors because they don't get it. 0.99

00:40:48.000 That makes sense.

00:40:48.000 Like the whole Batman and Robin being a gay couple.

00:40:51.000 Come on.

00:40:52.000 Boy wonder.

00:40:53.000 The boy wonder.

00:40:54.000 Yeah, he was the first twink.

00:40:55.000 Leave it to beaver.

00:40:57.000 Yeah, but do they call it beaver back then?

00:40:59.000 Yeah, beaver.

00:41:00.000 I actually looked this up.

00:41:01.000 And I invite you to do it, Jamie.

00:41:04.000 I invite you to prove me wrong.

00:41:05.000 I looked up beaver and it went back to like the 1800s.

00:41:09.000 Wow.

00:41:09.000 Yeah.

00:41:10.000 Makes sense.

00:41:10.000 Because beaver fur.

00:41:11.000 Well, also, girls were not.

00:41:13.000 And women weren't shaving, yeah. 1.00

00:41:14.000 That just shows you what a profound effect porn has had on our culture.

00:41:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:41:19.000 Because if you see a bush today, that's a girl who's committed to fucking shaking the... 0.99

00:41:23.000 She's going against the grain. 0.99

00:41:25.000 Or she's 80. Yeah.

00:41:27.000 Or she's like Lebanese or something like that. 0.96

00:41:30.000 She can't help it. 0.99

00:41:31.000 She shaved a couple of days ago and she didn't think she was going to fuck today. 0.99

00:41:35.000 You get the burn. 1.00

00:41:37.000 Fucking weeds growing in her panties. 0.99

00:41:40.000 It is a weird thing though because until, what was it, maybe 15, 20 years ago, everybody had a bush. 1.00

00:41:47.000 I grew up like Playboy Bush, man.

00:41:50.000 And now there's no bush and there's no nudes in Playboy.

00:41:52.000 What's happening to this world? 1.00

00:41:54.000 Try finding a girl today with asshole hair. 1.00

00:41:57.000 Try it. 1.00

00:41:58.000 They don't exist.

00:41:59.000 They're changing.

00:42:00.000 They're changing the DNA. It's a fascinating thing that porn has literally changed the way girls groom their pubic hairs almost universally. 1.00

00:42:11.000 I mean...

00:42:13.000 Profound change.

00:42:15.000 A percentage of change?

00:42:17.000 It's almost like 80. Probably like 80 or 90% of women have done at least some significant grooming down there. 0.77

00:42:25.000 Maybe leave a little landing strip or something like that.

00:42:28.000 But let a full bush go?

00:42:30.000 Full bush was the norm, right?

00:42:32.000 I don't know.

00:42:33.000 I would assume.

00:42:35.000 Yeah, I would think so.

00:42:37.000 I mean, dudes weren't grooming, right?

00:42:39.000 When I was in high school, I dated this girl. 0.92

00:42:42.000 She was crazy.

00:42:43.000 And she was just all over the place. 0.99

00:42:47.000 And she was like, there was two main girlfriends that I had in high school.

00:42:55.000 And they're both very nice girls.

00:42:56.000 There's nothing bad to say about them.

00:42:58.000 But one of them went to Catholic school. 1.00

00:43:00.000 And she was the most fucked up. 0.99

00:43:02.000 And she just had just, like, massive suppression from Catholic school and just looking for an outlet. 1.00

00:43:09.000 And her outlet was any boy that, like, showed her attention.

00:43:12.000 Like, it was good for me early on to, like, date a girl who's, like, super promiscuous because it, like, lowered my expectations about, like, girls cheating on me or cheating in general.

00:43:23.000 Like, we kind of made some sort of agreement somewhere along the line that we'd never be, like, official boyfriend and girlfriend.

00:43:29.000 We'd never be boyfriend. 0.99

00:43:30.000 We just hooked up and fucked a lot. 0.99

00:43:32.000 Right. 0.99

00:43:32.000 But one time, she broke up with this guy, and she came over to my house, and we were getting ready to do it, but she wouldn't take her pants off. 0.99

00:43:41.000 And I go, why?

00:43:42.000 What's the matter?

00:43:42.000 She goes, I'm embarrassed.

00:43:44.000 I go, why? 1.00

00:43:45.000 She goes, my ex-boyfriend made me shave my vagina. 1.00

00:43:50.000 I went, what? 1.00

00:43:51.000 Let's see it.

00:43:52.000 Let's see what's going on down there.

00:43:53.000 I'm like, whoa, that's crazy.

00:43:54.000 Like, she was embarrassed that I would see it and, like, not see her bush.

00:43:59.000 Right.

00:44:00.000 So it would be, like, freaky. 0.98

00:44:02.000 Like, or that she would be some sort of a pervert or a whack job. 1.00

00:44:06.000 But now, it's, like, standard. 0.97

00:44:08.000 It's so strange.

00:44:09.000 Like, I remember thinking, like, she was embarrassed because another guy, I mean, she was 18. She was embarrassed that another guy had made her do this and that I was going to see and I was going to think about this other guy.

00:44:22.000 Honestly, for whatever reason, I've never been that guy.

00:44:25.000 I'm not a jealous guy in that way.

00:44:27.000 Really?

00:44:28.000 No, I'm like, who cares? 0.99

00:44:30.000 What do I give a fuck? 0.99

00:44:31.000 Especially a girl that I wasn't even... 0.99

00:44:35.000 You know, we were long-time boyfriend and girlfriend or anything.

00:44:38.000 She was just this neighborhood freak that I liked. 1.00

00:44:41.000 She was a great person.

00:44:41.000 She was nice.

00:44:42.000 She wasn't bad.

00:44:43.000 But she just... 0.97

00:44:44.000 They'll describe her to friends like, she was like, you know how a kitten, you could like roll a ball of yarn in front of them and they just have to dive on it? 0.99

00:44:54.000 That's how she was with dick. 1.00

00:44:57.000 You just roll your dick in front of her? 1.00

00:44:59.000 For whatever reason, that poor girl. 1.00

00:45:02.000 I think pretty much everybody who tried to fuck her, fucked her. 1.00

00:45:05.000 For a while, at least. 1.00

00:45:06.000 I mean, I'm sure she...

00:45:07.000 See, I think a girl like that should be admired and honored.

00:45:13.000 You know?

00:45:13.000 I mean, do you know about the...

00:45:14.000 What were they called?

00:45:15.000 The sacred prostitutes of ancient Greece? 0.99

00:45:18.000 Sacred? 0.83

00:45:19.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:19.000 They would...

00:45:21.000 Every woman... 0.99

00:45:22.000 I think it was like a month. 1.00

00:45:24.000 Every woman had a month in her life where she would have to go and serve the gods of Greece by being on the steps of the temple fucking every man who wanted to fuck her. 1.00

00:45:36.000 Wow. 1.00

00:45:37.000 Really?

00:45:38.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:45:38.000 So her sex... 0.98

00:45:43.000 Like, was seen as her service to the gods. 0.98

00:45:46.000 And so they weren't whores, they were You know, doing God's work right there, you know? 1.00

00:45:53.000 That's fascinating.

00:45:54.000 And a lot of cultures have that. 0.97

00:45:55.000 Like, we talked about in Sex and the Time, we talked about the Kulina, I think, who, like, these men would go out on hunting parties, like, four or five days, you know, a few guys, and a woman would go with them to cook and, you know, keep the camp good when they're out hunting and fuck them when they got back to camp to, 0.98

00:46:14.000 like, keep them comfortable. 0.99

00:46:15.000 And she wasn't some whore. 1.00

00:46:17.000 She was a great woman. 0.98

00:46:19.000 Like, hey, it's my turn.

00:46:20.000 It was an honored thing to do.

00:46:23.000 You were talking earlier about how our culture, we repress all this really natural stuff and make it a problem when it doesn't need to be a problem.

00:46:33.000 I've always wondered why that is and I wonder if it has anything to do with our our need for Innovation and for like growth and for productivity and if the idea of Like,

00:46:49.000 somehow suppressing sexuality makes people concentrate on being more productive and more successful, so that way you can kind of earn sex.

00:46:59.000 And if sex was more free, you wouldn't get as much done.

00:47:03.000 And I wonder if it's some sort of a weird workaround that...

00:47:08.000 Almost like the construction of this advanced civilization is sort of...

00:47:13.000 It's like it's invented this path that sort of ensures productivity.

00:47:18.000 And one of the best ways to do that is to make people compete in a very efficient and ferocious way for the attention of women. 1.00

00:47:28.000 And if the attention of women was easily achieved, there would be less ambition and there would be less... 1.00

00:47:38.000 More materialism that leads to a more obvious expression of that materialism like you want the big house you want the nice watch you want the Nice shoes and the nice clothes and in wanting all those things You want all those things because sex is like difficult to achieve and if sex was easy to achieve you'd be a little bit more relaxed and your needs because like ultimately the physical needs kind of like Trump all the other stuff.

00:48:04.000 You know, like, do you want a nice watch?

00:48:06.000 Yeah, I mean, it's okay.

00:48:07.000 Why do I want a nice watch?

00:48:08.000 Well, they kind of look cool.

00:48:10.000 Okay, but do you want a nice watch because girls are going to recognize it? 1.00

00:48:13.000 Yeah, well, the girls don't give a shit about a nice watch. 1.00

00:48:15.000 They just want to suck your dick. 1.00

00:48:16.000 Well, well, fuck that watch. 1.00

00:48:18.000 Right. 1.00

00:48:18.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:48:20.000 Well, you've just summarized the argument of Freud's civilization and its discontents.

00:48:25.000 Really?

00:48:26.000 Yeah, that's what he says.

00:48:27.000 He says civilization is the product of...

00:48:31.000 Repressed sexual energy being redirected into productive activities.

00:48:37.000 Huh.

00:48:38.000 Well, I've sort of reversed it.

00:48:39.000 I've reversed it almost like civilization is sort of engineered.

00:48:44.000 Right.

00:48:45.000 Because it's the result of that, it wants to continue and amplify that.

00:48:50.000 Like any system wants to persist.

00:48:52.000 Right.

00:48:53.000 So, because it's the result of that, then there are built-in mechanisms for perpetuating that cycle of repression...

00:49:01.000 Redirection, you know, dangling the carrot.

00:49:04.000 I mean, if capitalism could stop us from breathing and then charge us for air, they would.

00:49:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:12.000 They're doing it with water right now.

00:49:13.000 They could figure out how to get that wind farm guy.

00:49:15.000 Like, you're using our air.

00:49:18.000 Exactly.

00:49:18.000 You're making money off it.

00:49:20.000 I don't see how that's right.

00:49:21.000 Well, I mean, they've done it with land, right?

00:49:23.000 If you think about it, no one had to pay for land.

00:49:25.000 Before, no one had to pay for shelter.

00:49:27.000 That was free.

00:49:28.000 Well, have you ever heard the argument about public lands? 0.99

00:49:30.000 I mean, there's a real issue right now with this Chris Ryan fuck. 0.99

00:49:33.000 Not Chris Ryan. 0.99

00:49:34.000 Paul Ryan.

00:49:34.000 Excuse me.

00:49:35.000 You're the nice Ryan.

00:49:37.000 Which Chris Ryan?

00:49:39.000 Paul Ryan is not in my phone. 0.97

00:49:41.000 But that in 2013, he had proposed selling off public land to pay for the debt that our corrupt politicians have fucking established in this country, right? 0.93

00:49:52.000 Well, Teddy Roosevelt had set aside all these national parks and all this... 0.95

00:49:58.000 That's incredible, because we could all go there.

00:50:01.000 I mean, we have these areas of our country that are owned by the citizens.

00:50:06.000 So, like, you can go to Yellowstone, you can go to all these different national state parks, national and state parks, and you can go fishing, you can go fucking kayaking, you can go camping.

00:50:16.000 And there's politicians that have proposed selling off all this potentially very valuable land to large corporations to pay off a lot of the tax debt or the deficit debt. 0.93

00:50:30.000 The problem with that is, first of all, it's never going to pay it off, because we owe fucking trillions of dollars.

00:50:35.000 They tried to explain it, that if every man, woman, and child in this country gave every penny that they own, we would still be trillions of dollars in debt. 0.88

00:50:46.000 Yeah.

00:50:46.000 And it doesn't matter because it's debt in dollars.

00:50:49.000 And we print dollars.

00:50:51.000 Well, and it's debt to who?

00:50:52.000 Yeah.

00:50:53.000 Like, who do we owe it to?

00:50:54.000 Right.

00:50:54.000 It's all a...

00:50:55.000 The Federal Reserve?

00:50:56.000 What is money?

00:50:56.000 Like, who are they?

00:50:57.000 What is that?

00:50:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:50:59.000 It's a weird fucking... 0.99

00:51:00.000 It's just ensuring that we're going to give them a disproportionate amount of resources and zeros and ones. 0.99

00:51:07.000 And we already do.

00:51:08.000 I mean, that public land is leased to mining companies for nothing.

00:51:12.000 Yeah.

00:51:12.000 Right?

00:51:13.000 Nowhere near market value.

00:51:14.000 That's another thing that the right almost universally does.

00:51:18.000 They almost universally support big businesses that impede on public lands and frack and do a lot of things that are potentially damaging to the environment.

00:51:27.000 And they're very submissive of that.

00:51:30.000 They're very submissive.

00:51:30.000 Oh, what, a few wells.

00:51:33.000 Get tainted.

00:51:34.000 A few lands get poisoned.

00:51:37.000 There's a few areas where there's a spill.

00:51:40.000 But it's this weird sort of agreement.

00:51:42.000 There's an agreement with a lot of very confirmed right-wing people that you're going to be religious.

00:51:48.000 You're going to thank God.

00:51:50.000 Whether or not you believe it or not, you want to align yourself with these people.

00:51:54.000 You have to be openly religious. 0.97

00:51:56.000 And you also have to be openly dismissive of environmental concerns.

00:51:59.000 Right.

00:52:00.000 There's like this weird thing, and oftentimes it's amongst people that are not even wealthy.

00:52:05.000 Not only are they not wealthy, they have no potential to be wealthy.

00:52:08.000 Joe the plumber. 1.00

00:52:09.000 Fucking soldiers, man. 1.00

00:52:10.000 There's this fucking guy I do jujitsu with who seems like a nice guy, but we were having this conversation once about global warming. 1.00

00:52:17.000 And he starts going off about these people that believe in global warming and that... 0.99

00:52:23.000 He's just real right wing.

00:52:24.000 He's a soldier, you know? 1.00

00:52:25.000 And he's like, shit. 1.00

00:52:26.000 There's a natural cycle. 1.00

00:52:28.000 It's always been like, are you a climate scientist?

00:52:30.000 Like, how are you so confident?

00:52:31.000 Do you know, like, there's like...

00:52:33.000 Thousands of scientists that have been studying this for decades and they're convinced that there's some shit going down and that it has a direct relationship, whatever percentage that relationship is, whether it's 5% or 6% or 1%, but there is a relationship between modern,

00:52:49.000 industrialized civilization and the warming of the planet.

00:52:54.000 They believe, this is scientists that have looked at the data and say, well, maybe there's some cycle going on, but that cycle may in fact be Accentuated by human beings in our activity and we might be speeding this up along and it might have this effect that is like this effect where like there's some concern about the polar ice caps.

00:53:16.000 Have you heard that concern that As they melt, they create pools, and as those pools reflect water, it exacerbates the situation, and everything goes in this exponential rate, and it starts, instead of looking at it like, oh, we're losing, yeah, there's tipping points.

00:53:31.000 Instead of, we're losing X amount of feet per year.

00:53:33.000 Well, actually, once it hits this area, and then comes water, and then the water reflects light, then it gets even warmer, then everything gets crazy.

00:53:40.000 Right. 0.99

00:53:40.000 And then there's going to come a point in time where you're fucked. 0.99

00:53:44.000 I mean, one need not look very far to find underwater civilization evidence. 0.99

00:53:49.000 Right. 0.98

00:53:50.000 There's been a bunch of them that they found recently, where they go near coastal cities, and they're out scuba diving, and they go, what the fuck is this?

00:54:00.000 And they find, oh, well, 5,000 years ago, this was a city, and now it's underwater.

00:54:05.000 Sea level's about 300 feet higher than it was 12,000 years ago.

00:54:09.000 Yeah, I'm sure there's all sorts of reasons for that.

00:54:11.000 And I'm sure that has nothing to do with industrialized civilization.

00:54:15.000 Well, that's because of the Ice Age ending.

00:54:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:17.000 But I mean, there's no question.

00:54:19.000 They understand the mechanism perfectly of what's happening.

00:54:22.000 But I'm with you.

00:54:23.000 I think it's already too late, honestly.

00:54:26.000 And see, that's their next argument.

00:54:28.000 That's the argument that I can't really argue with because I think they're right.

00:54:31.000 That, well, it's too late, you know?

00:54:34.000 Because the methane, that's what I'm worried about.

00:54:36.000 You know about the methane? 1.00

00:54:37.000 Yeah, from cow farts and shit? 0.99

00:54:38.000 No, no, in the bottom of the ocean. 1.00

00:54:40.000 Oh, right, right, right.

00:54:42.000 And methane has a much greater impact than CO2, than carbon.

00:54:48.000 And what is that from the bottom of the ocean?

00:54:50.000 What's the cause of that? 1.00

00:54:51.000 Well, it's the same thing as the cow shit. 0.99

00:54:54.000 No, it's plant material. 1.00

00:54:56.000 Uh-huh.

00:54:56.000 That sediment, you know, settled to the bottom a long time ago.

00:55:00.000 And then because the temperature is very cold, it's frozen.

00:55:04.000 So it's sealed in.

00:55:05.000 And as the warmer water comes over and melts that ice, like permafrost is also happening in the Arctic.

00:55:11.000 The permafrost is melting. 0.85

00:55:12.000 So all the shit that's been sealed under ice is now coming up. 0.96

00:55:16.000 And it's all decomposing plant material. 0.98

00:55:18.000 So it's full of methane.

00:55:20.000 Well, there was an article that I tweeted the other day that's even more terrifying.

00:55:24.000 They were talking about the potential for long, frozen viruses and bacteria that we cannot control and that we don't have any immunity being released as global warming sort of... 0.99

00:55:38.000 Washes over these fucking dead wool mammoth carcasses and shit. 1.00

00:55:42.000 Some saber-toothed tiger. 1.00

00:55:43.000 Got saber-toothed tiger AIDS. And it's gonna just get blown off like dandelions in the breeze. 0.93

00:55:50.000 And it's gonna fly up your nose.

00:55:52.000 I mean, you know, it's completely unsustainable.

00:55:55.000 The population growth.

00:55:56.000 There's a cool thing.

00:55:57.000 I've got this on Reddit.

00:55:59.000 There's a tangentially speaking page where people talk about the podcast and whatever, friends of mine and stuff.

00:56:04.000 So there's a thing right now about you where the guy's like, look, Joe Rogan lives the perfect life, right?

00:56:11.000 It's the perfect blend of...

00:56:13.000 Of 21st century technology and primordial life patterns.

00:56:19.000 He kills his own meat.

00:56:21.000 He has chickens.

00:56:22.000 He lives near a city, but he's got land and space.

00:56:27.000 So he sort of delineated all these things about your life.

00:56:31.000 And he's like, how can everyone live that way?

00:56:34.000 We need to make a world where everyone lives like Joe Rogan.

00:56:37.000 Well, I don't think I could ever live like this if a city didn't exist.

00:56:41.000 I don't think I could live like...

00:56:42.000 I mean, I'd have to be off the grid, right?

00:56:44.000 So if I'm off the grid and I'm going to live the way I live, I would have to figure out a way to make a living so I'd have to have the kind of resources that I have which are really dependent upon a city.

00:56:53.000 And technology.

00:56:54.000 And technology.

00:56:55.000 And the internet, yeah.

00:56:56.000 I mean, it really isn't possible.

00:56:57.000 It's not possible for everybody to live the way I'm living.

00:56:59.000 Not if there are 7 billion of us.

00:57:02.000 Right.

00:57:02.000 Not if there's 20 million in Los Angeles.

00:57:05.000 Right.

00:57:05.000 Just in this city.

00:57:06.000 I'm a fucking unique parasite. 1.00

00:57:08.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:57:09.000 Well, what I'm saying is, like, if I think the key is dramatic reduction of population, because we've got the technology.

00:57:16.000 Right?

00:57:17.000 And we understand how reproduction works, so we could stop having babies if we want to.

00:57:21.000 What do you think of the argument that as technology increases and as people become more and more centrally located in cities and that's happening in all these urban areas and these That people will be more concerned with their careers and that I've read that there is a concern that the population will actually decrease dramatically because as people become more concerned with their careers and more ingrained in the civilized urban life that

00:57:52.000 they'll be less and less likely to breed.

00:57:55.000 Well, it's...

00:57:56.000 Well documented that as women get more education and enter the workforce, their fertility decreases.

00:58:04.000 They also become more, they have more testosterone, right?

00:58:07.000 I don't know.

00:58:08.000 I'm not familiar with that.

00:58:10.000 But they definitely have less kids, fewer kids.

00:58:12.000 And they wait later in life to start having kids and all that. 0.99

00:58:16.000 And they grow dicks, right? 0.99

00:58:17.000 They become like men and mean. 1.00

00:58:19.000 They start yelling.

00:58:22.000 But no, that's great.

00:58:23.000 I'm not talking about Carly Fiorina.

00:58:27.000 I'm talking about women in Pakistan who have absolutely no power or anything. 1.00

00:58:31.000 So as they get educated and have more access to resources and so on, they'll have fewer kids.

00:58:37.000 And a lot of places in the world right now, population growth is below zero.

00:58:42.000 Japan, Spain, France, you know, the Nordic countries.

00:58:45.000 Which is why the whole migration thing is...

00:58:50.000 There's a bit of a bait and switch going on there because...

00:58:56.000 They're complaining that they don't want immigrants, but they know they need immigrants because there aren't enough young people to support the old people. 1.00

00:59:12.000 And no education.

00:59:13.000 There's a serious issue with different religious factions battling it out in all these European countries now.

00:59:19.000 There's a giant Muslim population in France.

00:59:22.000 Have you ever seen that video where this guy walks around Paris dressed as a Jew, a very obvious Jewish person, and he walks through these Arab neighborhoods and just gets... 0.99

00:59:32.000 Fucking yelled at and screamed. 0.99

00:59:35.000 Oh, it's horrible. 1.00

00:59:36.000 The anti-Semitism.

00:59:37.000 And I asked Ari about it, and he's like, it's been pretty well documented that a lot of these places that have allowed pretty much anyone to immigrate to, that they develop these communities.

00:59:51.000 And in these communities, they, you know, essentially hold on to some of the worst aspects of wherever they're from.

00:59:57.000 And it's only part of the communities.

00:59:59.000 But if you go through those parts of those communities, you're going to find those people.

01:00:03.000 Yeah, sure.

01:00:04.000 Yeah, it's a tough one because, I mean, I'm generally, you know, pretty open to immigration.

01:00:10.000 I'm an immigrant most of the time.

01:00:11.000 Sure.

01:00:12.000 My grandparents are immigrants. 0.99

01:00:13.000 Anybody who's not open to immigration in America, it's like, well, where the fuck do you think you came from? 0.97

01:00:18.000 Well, I mean, in my case, I live in Spain. 0.98

01:00:21.000 Even Native Americans.

01:00:22.000 They came down the Bering Strait from Siberia.

01:00:24.000 Although that's being questioned, too.

01:00:27.000 Yeah, they found ruins in South America that are about 40,000 years old.

01:00:32.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:00:32.000 In Chile. 0.71

01:00:33.000 I might be overestimating that, but I think that's what it is.

01:00:36.000 40,000?

01:00:37.000 Right. 1.00

01:00:38.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:00:38.000 So there's no way that was Bering Strait, right? 0.99

01:00:40.000 So now they're thinking, well, like I was saying earlier about the diaspora from Africa, it seems it's much more complicated than the story of...

01:00:48.000 Bering Strait and then spreading out from there.

01:00:51.000 Because, yeah, they came over in boats.

01:00:52.000 Well, that was always an issue with the Olmec people, right? 1.00

01:00:55.000 Was it the Olmec, I believe it was?

01:00:57.000 That they have these ancient heads that they found in South America.

01:01:00.000 Like the Maori. 0.99

01:01:02.000 They have African features.

01:01:02.000 They have very African features.

01:01:04.000 Very thick lips and wide noses.

01:01:06.000 Yeah, it's Mexico.

01:01:07.000 Yeah, and they think that it's very possible that this is all Graham Hancock's area of expertise, and him and Randall Carlson will be on on the 19th, and I'm really psyched about that.

01:01:20.000 That's always a mind-bender of a podcast.

01:01:22.000 But Randall Carlson...

01:01:24.000 He's the meteor strike guy. 0.99

01:01:26.000 He fucking freaks me out. 0.93

01:01:29.000 With evidence, photographs and core samples of how radically the Earth's temperature changed around 12,000 years ago. 0.94

01:01:37.000 And he believes that it corresponds directly with some sort of an asteroidal impact.

01:01:44.000 But one of his things, when he said everyone's concerned about global warming, and he's like, global warming is a real issue, no doubt about it.

01:01:51.000 But you know what the real issue is?

01:01:53.000 Global cooling.

01:01:54.000 He goes, global cooling is far more terrifying.

01:01:57.000 If you look at human history, the great periods of growth, the great periods of education and innovation, they all came with warmth.

01:02:04.000 Like whenever there's some cold, whenever things freeze and shut down, that's a wrap.

01:02:09.000 That's the life killer.

01:02:10.000 Yeah.

01:02:11.000 The life killer is global cooling.

01:02:13.000 The glaciers in the last ice age, right?

01:02:15.000 The glaciers were down to Minnesota, like all of Canada was under, and all of Northern Europe, like down into France.

01:02:21.000 Yeah.

01:02:21.000 Like to the Pyrenees, basically.

01:02:23.000 They say half of North America.

01:02:25.000 Half of North America was under a mile-high sheet of ice.

01:02:27.000 Right.

01:02:28.000 Canada just didn't exist.

01:02:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:02:30.000 No fucking hockey. 1.00

01:02:31.000 Zero hockey. 1.00

01:02:32.000 Yeah.

01:02:32.000 No Montreal.

01:02:33.000 No beautiful French girls. 1.00

01:02:35.000 No.

01:02:35.000 Nothing.

01:02:37.000 What's that shit with potatoes that they eat? 1.00

01:02:39.000 Poutine. 1.00

01:02:40.000 No poutine. 0.99

01:02:41.000 That stuff's ridiculous. 0.98

01:02:42.000 That's people are trying to put fat on. 0.98

01:02:44.000 Yeah.

01:02:44.000 That's cold weather food.

01:02:46.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:02:47.000 Cozy. 0.99

01:02:47.000 That's goddamn delicious. 0.99

01:02:50.000 Actually, I saw you in Vancouver. 0.98

01:02:51.000 I was just going to ask if you've been to Vancouver.

01:02:53.000 I love it.

01:02:54.000 I saw your show there.

01:02:55.000 That's my favorite city.

01:02:57.000 Well...

01:02:58.000 I should say that.

01:02:59.000 It's my favorite city all year round, whereas I really enjoy Toronto when it's warm.

01:03:06.000 And I love Montreal, too.

01:03:07.000 It's hard. 0.97

01:03:08.000 Canada's fucking awesome. 0.97

01:03:09.000 That is the number one place that I would move outside the United States. 0.99

01:03:13.000 There's Australia and Canada.

01:03:14.000 Those are the two spots.

01:03:16.000 Have you heard from Duncan?

01:03:17.000 He's an Australian now, right? 0.94

01:03:19.000 Is he really?

01:03:19.000 Yeah, he just went down like two days ago.

01:03:21.000 Because that's why I contacted you to do the shrimp parade thing, right?

01:03:25.000 Because I was going to be in LA. Oh, that's right.

01:03:27.000 Yeah, we can't seem to organize it when we're all together.

01:03:29.000 But Duncan's become too successful.

01:03:32.000 I'm going to have to sabotage his career.

01:03:33.000 He's uppity.

01:03:35.000 Yeah, he used to be available, and now Duncan.

01:03:39.000 He is so good at podcasts and rants, and he loves it so much that he almost, I think he loves it more than he even loves doing stand-up.

01:03:48.000 Those rants that he can just freely go into when he does those live podcasts.

01:03:53.000 He's been doing a lot of live podcasting.

01:03:55.000 I did two of them with him, but he never put them out.

01:03:58.000 I don't know where they are.

01:03:59.000 Really?

01:03:59.000 He's holding onto them, yeah.

01:04:01.000 Yeah, quite a while ago.

01:04:02.000 Really?

01:04:03.000 That seems odd.

01:04:04.000 He doesn't hold on to podcasts.

01:04:06.000 That's so strange.

01:04:07.000 Yeah.

01:04:07.000 Dude, I forgot to press record!

01:04:09.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:04:11.000 Don't get mad. 1.00

01:04:12.000 Let's do it again!

01:04:12.000 I remember what we said.

01:04:14.000 Yeah.

01:04:15.000 I'll just act it out now.

01:04:17.000 Exactly.

01:04:18.000 Australia's amazing, though. 0.92

01:04:19.000 I fucking love it over there. 0.76

01:04:21.000 It's just too far. 0.96

01:04:21.000 The flight is just brutal. 0.96

01:04:23.000 That's a 16-hour flight.

01:04:24.000 I've only been there once, and it was because I was invited to speak at Sydney Opera House in this thing they do that's like the Australian TED, but they call it the Festival of Dangerous Ideas.

01:04:37.000 Ooh, I like it.

01:04:38.000 Isn't that great?

01:04:39.000 I love it.

01:04:40.000 And it's like the anti-TED, where TED is all like, don't offend anyone.

01:04:43.000 And let us look at what you're going to say and, you know, let's rehearse this seven times. 0.98

01:04:47.000 They were like, say whatever the fuck you want. 0.99

01:04:50.000 We want people to, like, talk about it and be provoked and, like, you know, no limit. 0.99

01:04:56.000 Just say what you want.

01:04:57.000 I appreciate that.

01:04:58.000 Yeah, I think that's a sign of a healthy culture.

01:05:01.000 Getting back to what we were saying earlier, where repression causes the problem it's trying to avoid by pressurizing it.

01:05:07.000 Well, that's always been the knock on Ted, is that they try to control that situation too much.

01:05:11.000 They try to make sure that the speakers all room together, like Eddie Wong was saying that, that they made him room with some other dude.

01:05:20.000 He's like, I'm rich. 0.99

01:05:21.000 I want to get my own fucking hotel room, man. 1.00

01:05:23.000 And they busted his balls because he came up to do your podcast. 1.00

01:05:26.000 Yes, to promote his Ted stuff. 0.99

01:05:29.000 And they pulled him off of the rest of the program.

01:05:33.000 It's just... 0.99

01:05:34.000 You can't do that with a successful guy like him, because he's like, what do I give a fuck? 0.99

01:05:37.000 Well, and, getting back to the other shit, they don't pay their performers. 0.99

01:05:41.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:05:42.000 They didn't pay him, and they made him sleep in a room with some other dude. 0.91

01:05:46.000 The whole thing is fucking uber bizarre. 0.93

01:05:49.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:05:49.000 It's very strange, but in doing that, I understand what they're doing. 0.95

01:05:53.000 They're protecting their brand because it's worth a lot of money now.

01:05:56.000 I mean, they have a TED podcast, and they have these TED talks, and TEDx, and the website gets fucking insane amount of traffic, and they've become a corporation.

01:06:05.000 They've become this corporate entity.

01:06:07.000 But when you respect someone, like if you have someone like you, and they like your book, and they like your ideas, the more they can just give you free reign, the more it's going to be exciting.

01:06:17.000 We're going to let you express yourself in an uncensored way. 0.83

01:06:21.000 You're going to get the full Chris Ryan experience instead of like some bullshit watered down corporate version of whatever the fuck your ideas would be, whatever palatable aspects of your ideas they think they could sell to people. 0.97

01:06:34.000 Yeah, it's a strange thing. 0.98

01:06:37.000 I mean, I feel like they've got a huge platform, and you've got to respect that. 0.99

01:06:42.000 But on the other hand, if I go out and I fuck up, they could just say, well, sorry, Chris fucked up. 0.98

01:06:47.000 It doesn't have to reflect badly on them. 0.99

01:06:49.000 Well, you saw what happened with Graham Hancock.

01:06:51.000 When Graham Hancock put out his thing, they were saying there's all this pseudoscience.

01:06:55.000 They're accusing him of pseudoscience, and this...

01:06:59.000 Horrific idea of pseudoscience.

01:07:01.000 Like, let the guy express his opinions and ideas.

01:07:04.000 And it was about psychedelic drugs.

01:07:06.000 And it's his thoughts on how it corresponds with creativity and history.

01:07:12.000 And how man sort of evolved and emerged with psychedelic drugs.

01:07:17.000 It's not a unique opinion.

01:07:19.000 I'm not saying that it's not original or it's not unique in that it's not cool and interesting.

01:07:24.000 In that he's not the only one that thinks this.

01:07:27.000 Sure.

01:07:27.000 There's many, many people that believe this.

01:07:29.000 And this is a common thought, not just amongst people that are on the fringe, but amongst scholars.

01:07:35.000 There's a lot of people that correlate, and rightly so, incredibly powerful, hallucinogenic experiences with changing people's ideas and minds.

01:07:45.000 And that corresponds to...

01:07:48.000 Big leaps of creativity or big chances that people take. 1.00

01:07:51.000 We were talking about your friend earlier today that was a lawyer and goes on this fucking psychedelic trip and says, fuck this law shit. 1.00

01:08:00.000 I'm going to open up a float tank center and I'm going to be a freak. 1.00

01:08:04.000 Yeah.

01:08:04.000 You'd be happy.

01:08:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:08:06.000 And, you know, there's a big thing now in Silicon Valley with microdosing.

01:08:10.000 Microdosing what?

01:08:12.000 LSD or psilocybin or whatever it is.

01:08:15.000 Because of the creativity effects.

01:08:17.000 Yeah.

01:08:18.000 Right?

01:08:18.000 And so, like, Steve Jobs said LSD was the most important experience of his life.

01:08:24.000 Carey Mullis, who invented the DNA replication.

01:08:28.000 Mm-hmm.

01:08:29.000 Credit it to...

01:08:30.000 Yeah, the PR, what is it?

01:08:32.000 Yeah, probably Murray's chain something, PCR or something like that.

01:08:37.000 PCR, yeah.

01:08:37.000 He's supposed to be crazy, though.

01:08:38.000 He's an interesting dude, yeah. 0.95

01:08:40.000 He took his Nobel money and just surfs.

01:08:44.000 Really?

01:08:45.000 Yeah.

01:08:45.000 I met him at TED, actually.

01:08:48.000 He was kind of irritating because I wanted to shake his hand and say hello, but every time I saw him, he was engaged in the same argument with the same guy.

01:08:59.000 This one guy was just hounding him.

01:09:01.000 And I don't remember what it was.

01:09:02.000 I don't know if it was like chemtrails or it was like one of these things.

01:09:06.000 Oh, no!

01:09:07.000 And I kept thinking like, dude, just like, you know, it's been two days.

01:09:12.000 Excuse yourself.

01:09:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:09:15.000 Want some more of this?

01:09:16.000 No, I'm good.

01:09:17.000 So, yeah, the surfing thing is another one of those things like golf that I'm scared to try.

01:09:22.000 And I don't necessarily think I would get addicted to golf.

01:09:27.000 Because what's ridiculous about it is more appealing to mock than it is interesting to watch.

01:09:33.000 Like the precision and the accuracy and the control that you have to have over your movement and your body to make that ball roll into the hole.

01:09:41.000 It's still, at the end of the day, it's just a ball falling into a hole. 1.00

01:09:43.000 It's fucking stupid. 1.00

01:09:44.000 And that said, I'm hypocritical because I play pool and I love that. 1.00

01:09:47.000 But I know I've become addicted to that. 0.99

01:09:49.000 But the surfing thing is an addictive thing that I'm scared of because I think I would fucking dive right into that shit. 0.99

01:09:58.000 Everybody that I talk to that surfs, the way they describe it, I feel like it would be amazing. 0.99

01:10:03.000 But that's a really healthy thing to be doing. 1.00

01:10:05.000 Until the sharks come and bite your dick off, Chris Ryan. 1.00

01:10:08.000 You just punch it in the face. 1.00

01:10:09.000 You're a trained fighter, man. 0.92

01:10:11.000 Maybe I need to figure out how to get strong enough where I can surf with chain mail.

01:10:15.000 Get like a shark-proof suit and just gotta be really yoked.

01:10:18.000 I tried surfing.

01:10:20.000 Yeah?

01:10:20.000 In Nicaragua.

01:10:22.000 I like how you say that.

01:10:23.000 Nicaragua.

01:10:24.000 Nicaragua.

01:10:24.000 Yeah.

01:10:24.000 Like you fit right in.

01:10:26.000 Yeah, it was perfect.

01:10:28.000 The perfect wave.

01:10:29.000 Perfect place.

01:10:30.000 And there was this ex-military American dude who gave lessons.

01:10:33.000 And I met him in a cafe or something.

01:10:36.000 And he's like, dude, I'll take you out.

01:10:37.000 It's great.

01:10:38.000 It's where they filmed one of the Survivor, one of those shows.

01:10:42.000 Oh, okay.

01:10:43.000 And yeah, he took me out.

01:10:45.000 And it was like the perfect baby wave.

01:10:48.000 It was maybe like two or three feet high.

01:10:51.000 Yeah.

01:10:51.000 Perfect line, coming in at just the right angle.

01:10:54.000 Like, you couldn't fuck it up, you know?

01:10:56.000 And I had this real long board, which is really easy.

01:10:59.000 Long boards are better?

01:11:00.000 Yeah, well, they're stable, right? 1.00

01:11:02.000 And, I mean, I'm such a fucking pussy, man. 1.00

01:11:06.000 I, like, after, like, doing the push-up and get up on it, you know, like, 20 times, like, my arms were shaking and, like, my knees were shaking. 1.00

01:11:14.000 You know, I'm not in great physical condition.

01:11:16.000 And finally, I got up.

01:11:19.000 And I was like, I'm standing and the waves moving me a little bit. 0.99

01:11:23.000 And then I fell forward and the board smacked me right in the fucking forehead. 0.95

01:11:29.000 And I literally saw stars, you know, like I haven't since I was seven and I wrecked my bike, you know, like that kind of like hole. 0.98

01:11:37.000 And I'm underwater.

01:11:39.000 You could die. 0.86

01:11:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:41.000 Yeah, you could hit your head and die doing that shit. 1.00

01:11:42.000 Oh, do you see this? 1.00

01:11:43.000 What's going on there?

01:11:44.000 I was with this buddy of mine at a firing range.

01:11:50.000 Oh, no.

01:11:50.000 You scoped yourself?

01:11:51.000 I scoped myself.

01:11:53.000 I had blood running down my face.

01:11:55.000 It was humiliating.

01:11:57.000 I've done that.

01:11:58.000 Really?

01:11:58.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:11:59.000 I scoped myself once. 0.85

01:12:00.000 I scoped myself once when I shot a pig.

01:12:03.000 I scoped myself right on the nose.

01:12:06.000 Like in an actual hunting situation.

01:12:09.000 Wow.

01:12:09.000 I whacked myself.

01:12:09.000 I don't know if that's better or worse.

01:12:11.000 I mean, there were a lot of, like, fat white men laughing at me. 0.99

01:12:14.000 Here's why it's worse. 0.98

01:12:15.000 I didn't.

01:12:16.000 I scoped it sighting in my rifle now that I reconsider.

01:12:19.000 I had a Band-Aid on when I shot the pig, but I scoped myself shooting at a target before I shot the pig now that I... Well, that's what...

01:12:27.000 My buddy was scoping in, like, he had a new...

01:12:29.000 He's an elk hunter, and he had a new Win Mag 300, right?

01:12:33.000 Yeah.

01:12:34.000 So I was shooting his.30-06...

01:12:37.000 And apparently I was doing pretty well, and maybe he was just humoring me, but he was like, hey, I think this is firing a little high.

01:12:44.000 Can you take a shot?

01:12:44.000 Because you're really steady today.

01:12:47.000 So I was like, okay, no problem.

01:12:48.000 And it just drove right into my forehead.

01:12:53.000 Well, if you get used to a.30-06, there's a big difference between the kick of the.300 Win Mag.

01:12:57.000 That's a big shell.

01:12:58.000 I got one of those.

01:12:59.000 Is that what your monster thing is?

01:13:01.000 I have two rifles that are like that, around that.

01:13:05.000 One of them's a.300 Win Mag, the other one's a 7mm Remington Ultra Mag, which is basically real similar in size and round.

01:13:12.000 They're both big, heavy rounds. 0.99

01:13:14.000 That's what I shot the moose with, that fucker right there. 1.00

01:13:17.000 Where? 1.00

01:13:18.000 That's right here.

01:13:18.000 That's a baby moose.

01:13:19.000 Oh, that's a moose?

01:13:20.000 Yeah, it's a young moose.

01:13:22.000 They would call it like a Forky.

01:13:24.000 It was 900 pounds, and it was a small one.

01:13:28.000 They're so big.

01:13:29.000 Where were you?

01:13:30.000 Canada.

01:13:31.000 My buddy shot one the same trip that was probably six, seven hundred pounds bigger.

01:13:37.000 It was so big.

01:13:39.000 It walked across the road and it literally didn't look real.

01:13:44.000 Like, his walked in the street in front of us, like, it was a road street, but it was maybe 250 yards in front of us in the road, and we were like, gee.

01:13:53.000 It was like Jurassic Park.

01:13:54.000 It was like a scene in Jurassic Park.

01:13:56.000 I mean, we could have probably driven under it with the truck we were in.

01:13:59.000 I'm not kidding. 0.99

01:14:00.000 They're so fucking big. 0.99

01:14:02.000 I remember seeing them in Alaska and thinking they were like horses on steroids. 0.99

01:14:07.000 Yeah.

01:14:07.000 The front shoulders are just incredible.

01:14:10.000 Yeah.

01:14:10.000 With like barn doors growing out of the side of their heads.

01:14:13.000 They're monstrous, monstrous animals.

01:14:16.000 You know, there's an idea that's connected with cold weather and large mammals like that, that the colder the weather, the larger the mammal.

01:14:25.000 I forget what the principle is.

01:14:26.000 It's skin exposure.

01:14:27.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:14:28.000 So you have bigger internal and less skin exposure, the ratio.

01:14:32.000 Yeah, the ratio.

01:14:33.000 Because the same animals that are enormous in like Saskatchewan, like white-tailed deer, If they're in Mexico, they're way smaller.

01:14:42.000 Like a big white-tailed deer in Mexico is only like 100 and something pounds.

01:14:47.000 Whereas in Saskatchewan, they'll get to 300 plus pounds.

01:14:50.000 They're literally like three times as big.

01:14:52.000 Same species.

01:14:53.000 Yeah, same species. 0.98

01:14:54.000 Yeah, that's also why polar bears are so fucking big. 0.97

01:14:58.000 Polar bears are gigantic. 0.98

01:15:01.000 Kodiak bears.

01:15:02.000 I've been to Kodiak.

01:15:03.000 Have you?

01:15:03.000 Have you seen one?

01:15:04.000 I did.

01:15:05.000 I was sitting on a bridge.

01:15:07.000 It was weird.

01:15:08.000 I was sitting on this bridge.

01:15:09.000 I'd gone for a walk and it's like a low dirt board kind of bridge. 0.97

01:15:14.000 And I was sitting there writing in my journal the pedantic dickhead I was. 0.87

01:15:19.000 Poetry about Alaska or something. 0.79

01:15:21.000 And I heard this splashing in the river below and I turn and look and I'm like maybe 15 feet above the water. 0.98

01:15:27.000 And I look below and there's this fucking bear down there like knocking salmon around like on the documentaries. 0.98

01:15:32.000 Oh my god. 0.98

01:15:34.000 And I immediately had like this, you know, Bugs Bunny image of him chasing me and me running down.

01:15:41.000 Yeah, it wouldn't be much of a chase. 0.99

01:15:42.000 He didn't even notice me or didn't give a shit. 0.98

01:15:45.000 Yeah, apparently on Kodiak Island, even though they're so enormous, those bears are so terrifying, there's very few negative interactions with human beings. 0.98

01:15:53.000 And that's one of the reasons why some people thought that that show, The Hunt, I don't know if you saw it, was a show that was on, I think it was on Discovery or one of those networks, History.

01:16:02.000 Just recently?

01:16:03.000 Yeah.

01:16:04.000 Johnny Hughes did that.

01:16:06.000 Who's Johnny Hughes?

01:16:07.000 He's a guy, he's a writer, I know.

01:16:09.000 In fact, maybe I told this story on your podcast about when he was in New Guinea and he brought those people back, the natives back to London.

01:16:19.000 Does that ring a bell?

01:16:20.000 Anyway, I'm interrupting you.

01:16:21.000 It does ring a bell.

01:16:22.000 Go on with your...

01:16:22.000 Trying to remember what the story...

01:16:24.000 It was hosted by or narrated by the lead singer of Metallica, James Hatfield.

01:16:31.000 Yeah.

01:16:32.000 And it was about taking grizzly hunters to this one island in Alaska that has the largest brown bears in the world. 0.98

01:16:42.000 They're fucking enormous. 0.96

01:16:43.000 Just Kodiak. 0.99

01:16:44.000 Kodiak Island.

01:16:45.000 But the thing is, they're just eating fish.

01:16:47.000 Yeah.

01:16:47.000 They're eating fish and beached whales.

01:16:49.000 That's another thing they eat.

01:16:50.000 They eat beached whales. 1.00

01:16:51.000 Like, a whale dies and washed up on the beach, they'll eat that fucking whale for weeks and weeks. 1.00

01:16:55.000 They're disgusting. 1.00

01:16:57.000 Look, they'll eat that rotten, stinky whale. 1.00

01:16:59.000 They'll like it rotten. 0.97

01:17:00.000 Yeah, because it's easier to digest.

01:17:02.000 Yeah, French.

01:17:03.000 Yeah, they just get like cheese.

01:17:05.000 That's why you can play dead with grizzlies but not black bears.

01:17:09.000 Really?

01:17:10.000 You can't play dead with black bears?

01:17:11.000 Well, what I've, you know, look it up. 0.99

01:17:14.000 I've got to be careful what bullshit I come up with here. 0.99

01:17:16.000 Yeah, what I've been told is that black bears just eat you fresh. 0.99

01:17:20.000 Grizzly bears will throw some dirt over you and come back a week later because they like it rotten.

01:17:25.000 That makes sense unless they're super hungry at the time and they just gorge your guts and then slowly...

01:17:30.000 One of the things they do is they always eat the guts first.

01:17:33.000 And women? 1.00

01:17:34.000 You know about the thing with women? 1.00

01:17:35.000 You know with the pussy? 1.00

01:17:36.000 If they're having a period. 1.00

01:17:37.000 Yikes! 1.00

01:17:39.000 What a terrible way to die. 1.00

01:17:41.000 Pussy first. 1.00

01:17:42.000 With a bear head. 1.00

01:17:43.000 You've seen that movie, Grizzly Man.

01:17:46.000 I love that movie.

01:17:48.000 That's a great movie.

01:17:48.000 That is one of my favorite unintentional comedies ever.

01:17:52.000 I swear to God, I think Werner Herzog.

01:17:53.000 I would love to get drunk with that guy and ask him.

01:17:56.000 Come on, man.

01:17:56.000 You knew you were being funny when you made that movie.

01:17:58.000 Have you met him?

01:17:58.000 No, I have not.

01:17:59.000 I would love to, though.

01:18:00.000 He's amazing.

01:18:01.000 He knows he's funny.

01:18:02.000 I had that question about him, and I watched Bad Lieutenant.

01:18:06.000 Have you seen that?

01:18:07.000 Is he in Bad Lieutenant?

01:18:08.000 No, he made a remake of it with Nicolas Cage.

01:18:12.000 When?

01:18:13.000 Three, four years ago. 0.99

01:18:14.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:18:15.000 You gotta watch it. 0.99

01:18:15.000 Why would they do that? 0.99

01:18:17.000 It's fantastic.

01:18:19.000 No!

01:18:19.000 It's fantastic.

01:18:20.000 It can't be! 1.00

01:18:21.000 Nicolas Cage is off the fucking rocket. 1.00

01:18:24.000 He's crazed in it. 0.99

01:18:26.000 But is it as good as Harvey Keitel?

01:18:28.000 For me, it's better.

01:18:30.000 What?

01:18:30.000 But I'm a big Werner Herzog fan.

01:18:33.000 You need Jesus in your life.

01:18:34.000 I love Werner Herzog's stuff, man. 0.92

01:18:36.000 Did you ever see him as a bad guy in that shitty Tom Hanks movie?

01:18:39.000 Or not Tom Hanks, Tom Cruise movie? 0.96

01:18:42.000 It was a shitty Tom Cruise movie where Tom, Reacher, Jack Reacher, something like that.

01:18:46.000 Oh, no, I never saw that. 1.00

01:18:47.000 Oh, it was a piece of shit where Tom Cruise is like some assassin or something like that. 1.00

01:18:51.000 Nobody can kill him. 1.00

01:18:52.000 He kills everybody. 0.85

01:18:53.000 And Werner Herzog is one of the bad guys. 0.51

01:18:55.000 He winds up killing Werner Herzog. 1.00

01:18:57.000 It's such a fucking clunky, stupid fucking movie. 1.00

01:19:00.000 But he has a nice car. 1.00

01:19:01.000 He drives a nice 1970 Chevelle.

01:19:03.000 Beautiful car.

01:19:03.000 Well, there is that.

01:19:04.000 But Werner Herzog is an actor in a rare moment.

01:19:07.000 But when he talks, all you can think of is Timothy Treadwell.

01:19:12.000 Timothy Treadwell in The Grizzly Maze.

01:19:15.000 It's pretty good, yeah.

01:19:16.000 The brutality of nature.

01:19:18.000 Have you seen the Antarctic movie he did?

01:19:21.000 No, what is that?

01:19:22.000 Oh, it's a great movie.

01:19:23.000 Encounters at the End of the World, it's called.

01:19:25.000 Oh.

01:19:26.000 So Werner Herzog, he says at the beginning, some organization gave him $5 million to make a movie about Antarctica. 0.99

01:19:35.000 And I said to them, I will not make another movie about the damn penguins. 0.99

01:19:41.000 LAUGHTER So the deal was like, here's five million or whatever it was, just go do what you do, right? 0.99

01:19:49.000 So he goes down there, and first he's got this friend, Henry Kaiser, I think his name is.

01:19:55.000 Used to be the Henry Kaiser Band.

01:19:58.000 Does that ring a bell?

01:19:59.000 No.

01:19:59.000 It's like in the late 70s, early 80s, like a prog rock kind of band.

01:20:04.000 He quit music and became an underwater photographer, and now he's like the best at under ice.

01:20:12.000 Oh, God.

01:20:13.000 Yeah.

01:20:14.000 Imagine that.

01:20:14.000 You've had Wim Hof on here.

01:20:17.000 I'm going to go to Amsterdam.

01:20:18.000 I talked to his son, and actually I was texting with his son while you guys were talking.

01:20:23.000 Oh, wow.

01:20:24.000 And his son was like, yeah, we'll do it. 0.98

01:20:27.000 And I was like, but I don't want to do a fucking Skype thing. 0.88

01:20:29.000 I want to meet Wim. 0.94

01:20:31.000 I think he's an amazing human being.

01:20:33.000 So I go to Amsterdam a lot, so sometime I'm going to go hang on his houseboat.

01:20:39.000 That dude radiates.

01:20:40.000 Yeah.

01:20:40.000 Really?

01:20:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:20:41.000 When he's sitting across, he's got this fucking magnetic energy. 0.99

01:20:45.000 He's just alive. 0.99

01:20:45.000 He's the real deal. 0.99

01:20:46.000 Oh, yeah.

01:20:47.000 He's got 26 world records.

01:20:49.000 I'd say when you get over 20 world records, you're the real deal.

01:20:54.000 Well, and it's like my buddy who's rich from Wim Farms.

01:20:57.000 I mean, I don't know Wim, but I've seen him on your show, and I've seen the Vice thing and all that.

01:21:02.000 It's not about, look how cool I am.

01:21:05.000 It's not ego.

01:21:06.000 Like, oh, I gotta get another record and prove, you know, whatever.

01:21:10.000 Right.

01:21:10.000 The dude's connected to something really deep, and the whole thing with his wife and how it started is so, like, beautiful and touching and sincere.

01:21:20.000 Yeah.

01:21:20.000 You know, it's not an ego.

01:21:21.000 Like, I saw that film Everest the other day.

01:21:24.000 Have you seen that?

01:21:25.000 No, I haven't.

01:21:25.000 It's based on the Krakauer book, Into Thin Air.

01:21:28.000 That's a drama, right?

01:21:29.000 It's a drama.

01:21:30.000 Fake movie.

01:21:31.000 Well, but it's based on truth.

01:21:33.000 The true story of this, I don't know if it's 10 years ago, there was a day when like 10 people died. 0.99

01:21:38.000 It was the most disastrous day on Everest ever and all this shit. 0.75

01:21:43.000 But I was watching that and it's like, okay, you guys are all climbing Mount Everest. 0.98

01:21:47.000 Why? 0.99

01:21:48.000 Who gives a fuck? 0.99

01:21:49.000 It's all ego. 1.00

01:21:51.000 Yeah.

01:21:51.000 Ego.

01:21:52.000 Like, it looks really cool from the valley, you know?

01:21:55.000 I mean, it really does.

01:21:57.000 You don't need to... 0.97

01:21:58.000 Like, what is it about you that you need to say, I was at the top of Everest, you know, with my oxygen tanks and the five Sherpas carrying all my shit, you know, and I paid 60 grand to the guide to, like, drag my sorry ass up there. 1.00

01:22:12.000 I just felt like, eh, fuck that. 0.99

01:22:14.000 But then Wim, you know, that's a whole different thing. 1.00

01:22:17.000 That's not about ego. 1.00

01:22:18.000 Well, he also did it in his fucking shorts. 1.00

01:22:22.000 With no shirt. 0.99

01:22:23.000 And he said, he was like, to do it with clothes is too easy.

01:22:26.000 Like, that's one of the things he said.

01:22:28.000 It would really be easy.

01:22:29.000 There was a recent article, I forget what publication, but some online thing where they were talking about the business of going to Everest.

01:22:36.000 That it's like this...

01:22:38.000 Eco-tourist business now where you get all these rich people and they hire these Sherpas that do all the dirty work, all the hard stuff, carrying the oxygen, carrying the food, carrying everything.

01:22:47.000 And all these people do is they sit in their warm tents and they put on their warm clothes and then they go where the Sherpas tell them and they feel like heroes.

01:22:55.000 But I used to do a whole bit about Mount Everest, that it's not like when you get to the top of Lucky Charms guys waiting for you with a bag of gold.

01:23:01.000 Oh, finally you've reached the top.

01:23:04.000 Now you don't have to work again for the rest of your life. 1.00

01:23:06.000 Come with me, this free pussy and cocoa in the tent below. 1.00

01:23:10.000 It's this bit about, like, the idea of climbing to the top spot is, like, impressive, but nobody gives a fuck if you got to the lowest spot. 0.99

01:23:17.000 Like, nobody, like, I got to the lowest spot on Earth, bro.

01:23:20.000 What's it like?

01:23:21.000 You go down, and then you go straight.

01:23:23.000 You get to the bottom, you can't go any further.

01:23:26.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:23:27.000 You're so brave.

01:23:28.000 Like, no one cares about the lowest spot.

01:23:30.000 Everybody cares about the highest spot.

01:23:31.000 Well, that dude went into Mariana's Trench a little while ago.

01:23:33.000 That's different.

01:23:33.000 That was pretty cool.

01:23:34.000 That's in the ocean.

01:23:35.000 Yeah.

01:23:35.000 Yeah, when you go in the ocean, that's...

01:23:37.000 You're talking about Death Valley or something, yeah.

01:23:39.000 What's this, like... 1.00

01:23:40.000 There's some stupid chimp thing about going to the top branch. 1.00

01:23:44.000 It's because we associate the highest branches with being safe from the predators. 1.00

01:23:50.000 That's the reason why bedrooms have...

01:23:52.000 If you have a house, the master bedroom is almost always on the top floor.

01:23:56.000 And the reason is you want to be above to look down at the potential predators.

01:24:01.000 There's an association, people believe, with Like chimps and trees and human beings and having like houses that are on the top or the master bedrooms on the top.

01:24:11.000 Look that up, Jamie. 0.99

01:24:12.000 That sounds like bullshit to me. 1.00

01:24:13.000 It does sound like bullshit. 1.00

01:24:14.000 But I've read it. 0.99

01:24:15.000 It's not my theory.

01:24:16.000 This is something I read.

01:24:17.000 I'm thinking the bedrooms being on top comes from the centuries where people lived above their domesticated animals and the heat from the animals rose up and heated their bedroom.

01:24:29.000 What?

01:24:30.000 Farts?

01:24:30.000 Animal farts?

01:24:31.000 Animal heat.

01:24:32.000 Body heat.

01:24:33.000 Really?

01:24:33.000 Yeah.

01:24:33.000 Boy, that's an interesting theory.

01:24:35.000 If you go to Tibet, people live above their ox. 0.85

01:24:39.000 That's interesting.

01:24:40.000 I would think it would be more of a security thing, though.

01:24:42.000 I'd like to live in a cave.

01:24:43.000 If you're above, people have to get to you.

01:24:46.000 And it's way better strategically to be a pie.

01:24:48.000 Sure, and you have a view.

01:24:49.000 It's always nice to have a view.

01:24:50.000 That's nice.

01:24:51.000 You'd like to live in a cave.

01:24:52.000 There's a cave for sale in Bisbee, Arizona, where Doug Stanhope lives.

01:24:54.000 Oh, yeah?

01:24:55.000 Maybe you'd want to buy it.

01:24:56.000 It's a house built into a cave.

01:24:57.000 I'd love to go to Bisbee and check that out.

01:25:00.000 I want to go before Doug dies.

01:25:02.000 I don't know how much longer he's got left.

01:25:04.000 I'm hoping he's going to hang in there for a long time.

01:25:06.000 Is he alright?

01:25:07.000 I mean, I know he's a bit of a wild man.

01:25:10.000 He'll probably live forever.

01:25:11.000 He'll do a Keith Richards.

01:25:13.000 He'll probably be pissing on my grave.

01:25:14.000 But he has hernias. 0.54

01:25:16.000 He can lie on his back and flex his stomach and his bulges in his stomach where they pop out in several places.

01:25:24.000 His internal organs are trying to escape from his body cavity. 0.99

01:25:27.000 He's got to get that shit sewn up. 1.00

01:25:29.000 No, he won't do it. 1.00

01:25:30.000 It's not going to happen. 1.00

01:25:30.000 We'll take care of that shit with Budweiser and cigarettes. 1.00

01:25:35.000 He's just not going to. 1.00

01:25:37.000 A little duct tape, maybe?

01:25:38.000 That's what he always mocks me.

01:25:39.000 He always mocks me.

01:25:40.000 And he goes, how many surgeries have you had, Rogan? 0.99

01:25:42.000 I'm like, you've had a fuckload. 0.98

01:25:44.000 He's like, none. 0.99

01:25:46.000 I've had none.

01:25:48.000 That's like his barometer for who's healthier, who's living a healthier life. 0.91

01:25:54.000 I've been fucking stitched back together six or seven times and he's none. 0.88

01:25:59.000 I resonate with that sometimes. 0.97

01:26:01.000 I see somebody getting hurt, some athlete, and I'm like, yeah, didn't happen to me.

01:26:05.000 Look at me.

01:26:06.000 I'm sitting here, safe in town. 0.96

01:26:07.000 You got killed by a surfboard.

01:26:09.000 I did, and then a gun.

01:26:10.000 What if you were like Laird Hamilton? 0.99

01:26:12.000 You'd be out there every day looking sleek, all six-packy and shit, flexing as you're fucking riding the wave. 0.98

01:26:19.000 Yeah, I don't know what it would do for me, though. 0.99

01:26:21.000 Well, you read that thing that I wrote for Esquire.

01:26:23.000 I did.

01:26:24.000 You know, the idea of the human body is ultimately a lot like a sandcastle.

01:26:29.000 And that's, you know, really, at the end of the day, I mean, enjoy it while you've got it, but at the end of the day, it's pretty much pointless.

01:26:37.000 I mean, we really are.

01:26:38.000 Well, you know Kubler-Ross's Five Stages of Grief, right?

01:26:42.000 Yeah.

01:26:42.000 Do you know what I'm talking about?

01:26:43.000 I've heard the expression, but I don't know what they are.

01:26:46.000 It's good to memorize because you see them everywhere.

01:26:49.000 The acronym is DABDA, D-A-B-D-A. So it's denial.

01:26:54.000 So this is whether you're losing your job, your marriage, someone close to you is dying, or you just got the pancreatic cancer diagnosis.

01:27:03.000 It's all the same.

01:27:05.000 And some people skip stages and never get to the lower ones, whatever.

01:27:09.000 But the sequence is denial.

01:27:11.000 Anger.

01:27:12.000 So denial.

01:27:13.000 Like, oh no, there's a mistake.

01:27:14.000 This can't be right.

01:27:15.000 Then there's anger.

01:27:16.000 Like, why me?

01:27:16.000 That's not fair.

01:27:17.000 I don't smoke.

01:27:18.000 And then there's bargaining.

01:27:20.000 Okay, look, from now on, I'm going to work out.

01:27:22.000 From now on, I'm going to eat right.

01:27:25.000 And then there's depression.

01:27:28.000 And then there's acceptance.

01:27:29.000 Acceptance is if you're lucky enough and evolved enough.

01:27:32.000 And psychedelics, I think, really help get to the acceptance stage.

01:27:36.000 That's why psilocybin is so effective with end-of-life treatment for anxiety.

01:27:42.000 People are facing the end.

01:27:44.000 They take a psilocybin dose and have an experience, and they're like, I'm not afraid of dying anymore.

01:27:49.000 It's supposed to be one of the most amazing things for people in that.

01:27:51.000 It helps them accept this idea.

01:27:54.000 I remember Larry Hagman was talking about that once in this interview that he did on CNN of all places.

01:28:01.000 And they were interviewing him about, you know, like times in his life and, you know, what impactful moments.

01:28:09.000 And he said, well, the last time I took LSD. And you could tell, like, the person who was interviewing him didn't expect that.

01:28:19.000 He said, well, it alleviated my fear of dying.

01:28:22.000 I really, I no longer worry about death.

01:28:25.000 You know, and he said the experience, whatever he had when he was on LSD, was so profound that it sort of, like, relaxed him, too.

01:28:32.000 And he had that air about him, too.

01:28:34.000 Like, a guy was just there.

01:28:35.000 He's there.

01:28:36.000 He's not, like, putting on a show.

01:28:38.000 He's not, like, faking it.

01:28:39.000 He's not...

01:28:41.000 He's just there.

01:28:42.000 He's him.

01:28:43.000 He lived a fairly sustainable life for a wealthy, famous guy.

01:28:49.000 I believe his house was completely off the grid.

01:28:52.000 He had some house in the Santa Monica Mountains.

01:28:55.000 Yeah, I remember reading something about that.

01:28:57.000 He's dead.

01:28:57.000 I wonder if his house is still available.

01:28:58.000 I'd like to fucking buy Larry Hagman's house. 0.99

01:29:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:29:01.000 Pretty dope.

01:29:01.000 Better than a cave, probably.

01:29:03.000 Yes.

01:29:03.000 Maybe not, though.

01:29:04.000 Cave would probably be really efficient as far as keeping you cool.

01:29:07.000 Temperature, same all year round.

01:29:09.000 You can have grass growing on the roof.

01:29:12.000 That's pretty dope.

01:29:13.000 Like a hobbit house. 1.00

01:29:14.000 Remember they had those big round doors?

01:29:16.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:29:16.000 On the side of the shire?

01:29:18.000 Well, you know, this thing about fear of death, you were talking earlier about making sex, like restricting access and then using it as a lure to get people to work, right? 0.98

01:29:28.000 So in Civilized to Death, the last chapter that I've just written, by the way, I'm fucking done. 0.99

01:29:34.000 You're done! 0.92

01:29:34.000 Well, I'm in the rewrites now. 0.92

01:29:36.000 But that's amazing.

01:29:37.000 You hit the end of the book.

01:29:39.000 So now it's just about editing and rewrites.

01:29:41.000 You know how they say, like, work expands to fill the space allotted to it?

01:29:46.000 Well, I've been in the U.S. for like four years off and on, right?

01:29:51.000 And I finally decided, no, we're going back to Spain.

01:29:54.000 End of December.

01:29:55.000 So the book gets done in November, of course.

01:29:57.000 Of course, because you have a deadline.

01:29:59.000 A lot of people say that with a lot of things they do.

01:30:01.000 They like deadlines. 0.96

01:30:03.000 Because deadlines will force you to fucking just cram that work in. 0.96

01:30:07.000 And it eliminates any possibility of excuses. 0.97

01:30:10.000 If you have a deadline.

01:30:12.000 I just blow by deadlines.

01:30:14.000 Do you?

01:30:14.000 Yeah, it's got to be structural in my life.

01:30:16.000 If it's someone telling me, Chris, it's got to be done by Tuesday, I'm like, yeah, whatever, that's negotiable. 1.00

01:30:22.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:30:22.000 But if you're like, I'm moving to Spain in December, alright, and then you finish it in time. 1.00

01:30:26.000 Because I got no kids.

01:30:28.000 I got no mortgage.

01:30:29.000 I mean, I do, but it's nothing.

01:30:31.000 And it's like, well, I don't really...

01:30:33.000 I had this conversation with a friend of mine, and obviously, you know, I have kids, and I love having kids.

01:30:39.000 I love my family.

01:30:40.000 I'm very, very, very happy.

01:30:42.000 I wouldn't want it any other way.

01:30:44.000 But I had this conversation with my friend who also has a family and also has kids, and we were talking about this guy we know.

01:30:50.000 I don't want to say his name.

01:30:51.000 He's a successful guy.

01:30:53.000 He's wealthy.

01:30:53.000 He's doing really well.

01:30:54.000 He's a well-loved guy, but he doesn't have any children. 0.99

01:30:57.000 And he goes, fucking sad. 0.98

01:30:59.000 I go, why is he sad? 0.99

01:31:01.000 And he goes, he doesn't have any kids.

01:31:03.000 Sad.

01:31:03.000 He goes, what's it all for?

01:31:04.000 I go, what's yours all for? 0.99

01:31:07.000 I go, you're going to give it to your kids and they're going to die too. 1.00

01:31:09.000 What the fuck difference does it make? 1.00

01:31:11.000 I used to resent that when I didn't have children. 0.99

01:31:15.000 I always resented this idea that a meaningful life only involves reproduction.

01:31:20.000 I resent it today and I love my kids.

01:31:22.000 I resent it.

01:31:23.000 I think that's nonsense.

01:31:24.000 I think you could have a beautiful, meaningful life and never reproduce.

01:31:28.000 You don't need to reproduce. 0.91

01:31:29.000 How do you affect the people around you?

01:31:32.000 My family is not just my family of the children I've made and my wife.

01:31:38.000 My family is my friends, the people I love.

01:31:40.000 Those are my family.

01:31:43.000 Put whatever word, call it whatever noise you want to make with your face.

01:31:47.000 But what's important to me is who you love and who you take in and who you surround yourself with.

01:31:54.000 I have this group of amazing, beautiful people that I share time with. 1.00

01:32:00.000 And whether they were born out of my wife's pussy or whether they were born out of someone else's pussy, who cares? 1.00

01:32:07.000 This idea that it's only meaningful if you surround yourself with people that came out of your own DNA, I think it's not just short-sighted. 1.00

01:32:19.000 It's dangerously egotistical.

01:32:21.000 I think it's bad for you.

01:32:22.000 It's bad for everybody.

01:32:24.000 Well, I think it's an avoidance of death.

01:32:27.000 Yeah.

01:32:28.000 And that's what I was going to say.

01:32:29.000 You were talking about sex.

01:32:30.000 What I argue in the end of this book is that there's also a mechanism built, the same sort of mechanism built around death, that we're terrified.

01:32:38.000 We're the only animal that knows it dies, right?

01:32:42.000 Mm-hmm.

01:32:42.000 Homo sapien sapien.

01:32:44.000 The hominid who knows it knows. 1.00

01:32:46.000 What do we know?

01:32:47.000 We know we're going to die.

01:32:48.000 So what do we do then?

01:32:49.000 We develop all these mechanisms, some conscious, some not, for avoiding thinking about that.

01:32:56.000 And I think civilization is one of them.

01:32:58.000 We align ourselves with something bigger than ourselves.

01:33:02.000 And there's all this really interesting research on terror management theory, it's called, where they look at the subconscious mechanisms.

01:33:10.000 When people are reminded of mortality, they react differently to people outside their group.

01:33:15.000 They're much more aggressive and much more aligned with the identity of their group and all that.

01:33:22.000 But so that's what I'm arguing.

01:33:24.000 And I think the reason, think about psychedelics, right?

01:33:27.000 And you've heard this a million times.

01:33:29.000 Every culture that's had access to them has seen them as the greatest gifts of the gods, the greatest, most sacred things that we have.

01:33:37.000 In America, you get busted with a bag of mushrooms at a concert.

01:33:42.000 You go to prison longer than if you kill somebody.

01:33:46.000 Think about that.

01:33:47.000 What does that mean? 0.99

01:33:48.000 What the fuck are we so afraid of? 0.99

01:33:50.000 If you have a duffel bag filled with mushrooms and you're selling them at a concert, it is literally possible that you will have a larger prison sentence than if you accidentally kill someone in a street fight. 0.99

01:34:01.000 Minimum mandatory sentencing.

01:34:02.000 Right.

01:34:02.000 Second degree murder versus distribution of schedule one psychedelics.

01:34:07.000 Yeah.

01:34:07.000 I know a guy who's doing a year.

01:34:09.000 A year for manslaughter.

01:34:10.000 A year.

01:34:11.000 He's doing a year.

01:34:12.000 He shot someone in a road rage incident.

01:34:14.000 A year.

01:34:15.000 A year.

01:34:16.000 And if he had mushrooms in his car, it'd be 10 years.

01:34:18.000 Yeah.

01:34:18.000 It's very possible.

01:34:19.000 If you're in the wrong place, the wrong part of the country, the wrong judge.

01:34:23.000 And what do mushrooms do?

01:34:24.000 They give you peace.

01:34:26.000 Or they freak you out, depending on how hard you're holding on to it.

01:34:30.000 Exactly.

01:34:30.000 How hard are you holding on?

01:34:31.000 Those bad trips.

01:34:33.000 I've never had a bad trip on mushrooms, but I understand where they come from.

01:34:36.000 I've had bad trips on weed.

01:34:38.000 I've had those.

01:34:39.000 Over eating?

01:34:41.000 Yeah.

01:34:42.000 If you eat too much weed, that's...

01:34:43.000 Especially early in my career as a psychonaut. 0.99

01:34:49.000 Yeah, I had some fucking... 0.98

01:34:50.000 Because like we were talking about before, they make sprays now, ladies and gentlemen. 0.99

01:34:57.000 I just want to be honest.

01:34:58.000 I'm not entirely sober right now.

01:35:00.000 For the show, I had a little spray under my tongue. 0.98

01:35:04.000 And they make stuff that's too fucking strong. 0.96

01:35:07.000 Like Joey Diaz, who's the savage of all savages, what he does is he'll take a 500 milligram THC candy, which, you know what I like? 0.98

01:35:19.000 I like 20. I like 20. 20's a good dose.

01:35:22.000 Before I go on stage, I like a 20. It's not strong.

01:35:26.000 It's light.

01:35:26.000 It's a little fun, a little happy.

01:35:28.000 He'll take a fucking 500 and then he takes a wrapper for a lower dose and he puts the 500 in the lower dose wrapper and he gives them to people. 0.99

01:35:39.000 See, that's not cool. 1.00

01:35:42.000 That's not cool.

01:35:44.000 To him it's cool.

01:35:45.000 He loves it.

01:35:46.000 He loves dosing people.

01:35:47.000 I'm very against that.

01:35:50.000 I mean, I spent a lot of time around psychedelics, and that's the one thing that I could never forgive.

01:35:55.000 Have you ever heard Duncan's story about Joey? 0.99

01:35:58.000 Joey gave Duncan some fucking cookie of death, and it was just unbelievably powerful. 0.99

01:36:05.000 And he told Duncan, you know, just eat it. 0.99

01:36:07.000 How strong is this?

01:36:08.000 It's not that bad.

01:36:09.000 Just eat it.

01:36:09.000 So Duncan eats it.

01:36:11.000 An hour later, he is at his home in a fucking tornado of terror. 0.99

01:36:16.000 Just spiraling, freaking out. 0.99

01:36:19.000 And then he gets a phone call.

01:36:20.000 And it's Joey Diaz. 1.00

01:36:21.000 He goes, Welcome to my world, motherfucker! 1.00

01:36:28.000 Well, I guess if it's coming from Joey Diaz, you should know better. 1.00

01:36:32.000 That's the guy, though.

01:36:33.000 I mean, that's just Joey's...

01:36:35.000 That's what you get when you do it with Joey.

01:36:38.000 Yeah.

01:36:38.000 I love that guy.

01:36:39.000 I'm so happy I know him.

01:36:41.000 So happy he exists.

01:36:43.000 I've had one bad...

01:36:45.000 Well, bad. 0.96

01:36:46.000 I mean, I've had crazy shit happen, you know, like... 0.83

01:36:49.000 Probably I've told you the story about when I got stung by the scorpion when I was tripping. 0.74

01:36:53.000 Oh, yeah.

01:36:54.000 Yeah.

01:36:54.000 So, I mean, I thought I was going to die, right?

01:36:56.000 Yeah.

01:36:57.000 But that ended up being a really good experience.

01:36:59.000 But the last time I did acid, I did a heroic dose.

01:37:03.000 Yeah.

01:37:04.000 And it ended, I won't go through the whole story, but it ended with me wandering onto the grounds of a psychiatric hospital.

01:37:10.000 Yeah.

01:37:11.000 Like a magnet to the metal filings.

01:37:13.000 Exactly. 0.98

01:37:14.000 And I heard all these weird voices and I hid under this rhododendron bush and it turned out that they were the patients taking a walk and they were like wandering the grounds and I'm like cowering under this rhododendron bush like having cried and lost my shirt and you know I was just a fucking mess. 0.80

01:37:31.000 I had like dirt in my face. 0.75

01:37:34.000 Thank God they didn't find me.

01:37:36.000 I'd still be there. 1.00

01:37:37.000 They'd fucking lock you up. 1.00

01:37:38.000 This crazy bastard. 1.00

01:37:39.000 I'm a doctor! 1.00

01:37:41.000 My name is Chris Ryan.

01:37:42.000 I wrote a book about sex. 0.80

01:37:44.000 No, not that Chris Ryan. 0.73

01:37:45.000 The other Chris Ryan.

01:37:47.000 Nolan Ryan?

01:37:48.000 The pitcher?

01:37:49.000 Oh, my God.

01:37:50.000 You know about that research where they, I think it was at Yale, in a psychiatry residence, the teacher said, okay, the project is this weekend you have to go out.

01:38:03.000 There were like six or seven students.

01:38:04.000 They had to go out.

01:38:05.000 And check themselves into a psychiatric hospital, separate, different ones, right?

01:38:12.000 Saying that they were hearing voices that were telling them to hurt themselves.

01:38:16.000 Check in and then spend the night and then the next day explain the situation and come back.

01:38:23.000 None of them could get out.

01:38:25.000 Because they wouldn't believe.

01:38:26.000 Because they're like, no, listen, I'm a medical student.

01:38:29.000 I go to Yale.

01:38:30.000 My professor, this was a project.

01:38:32.000 Not one of them could get out.

01:38:34.000 Wow.

01:38:34.000 So how'd they get them out?

01:38:35.000 Because the professor went.

01:38:37.000 Oh, my God.

01:38:37.000 Because the professor knew that was going to happen, right?

01:38:40.000 Wow.

01:38:40.000 Because it was to show how helpless...

01:38:44.000 Psychiatric patients are.

01:38:46.000 Because even when they're telling you the truth, you don't believe them.

01:38:48.000 Well, isn't that always the case, like, when everyone's being accused of anything?

01:38:51.000 You feel guilty, even if you're not.

01:38:54.000 Like, I've been pulled over before, and been stone-cold sober, especially before I was famous, and worried that I'm not sober.

01:39:03.000 Like, that I did something wrong.

01:39:05.000 Like, the cops, like, what did I do?

01:39:06.000 What did I do? 0.99

01:39:07.000 And you start going through your Rolodex of shit that you might have done. 0.99

01:39:10.000 But he didn't do anything. 0.98

01:39:11.000 And that's where you get the false confessions a lot of times. 0.97

01:39:14.000 Well, listen, if you put enough pressure on people, especially if you lock them up, and like, this is what the fuck is going on with Guantanamo Bay. 0.98

01:39:21.000 They just released this guy that just was in there for 14 years, and they had a story about him being beaten, and he was fucking innocent. 0.96

01:39:27.000 He didn't do anything. 0.87

01:39:28.000 They had no charges.

01:39:29.000 There was no reason to detain him.

01:39:31.000 Just suspicion.

01:39:32.000 And suspicion is a very weird thing.

01:39:35.000 Because if I suspect you, what are you plotting, Chris Ryan? 0.96

01:39:39.000 You come on my podcast, but I think you've got a fucking alternative intention. 0.98

01:39:43.000 There's something going on behind your eyes. 0.98

01:39:45.000 I see.

01:39:46.000 I'll figure it out. 1.00

01:39:48.000 Oh, you're here for my fucking free coffee. 0.99

01:39:50.000 When people start accusing you of things, you start wondering about your own intentions. 0.99

01:39:58.000 We exist in some sort of a strange state where we're constantly seeking approval.

01:40:04.000 We seek approval from each other.

01:40:06.000 And we like to live in at least somewhat of a state of harmony with our neighbors and our friends and our community. 0.95

01:40:13.000 And when someone is pointing to you at being a disruptor of harmony in some way, shape, or form, you know, like if you're in a relationship, I've had friends that have been in relationships like, man, my fucking girlfriend, she's always accusing me of doing this and accusing me of doing that. 0.86

01:40:28.000 I'm like... 0.97

01:40:29.000 You gotta break up with her because you'll get sucked into that world.

01:40:33.000 You will get sucked into her world of anxiety and craziness and you'll become something different than you are now.

01:40:42.000 You'll become what she's accusing you of being.

01:40:44.000 If you don't become that, you'll at the very least be a mess.

01:40:48.000 Because you're constantly defending yourself.

01:40:49.000 Like, I'm just going to deal with it.

01:40:51.000 I'll go home.

01:40:52.000 I'll talk to her.

01:40:52.000 That is the embodiment.

01:40:55.000 That is the definition of a codependent relationship.

01:40:58.000 You're allowing her to be this accusatory person.

01:41:01.000 Or he, a woman with a man, same thing.

01:41:04.000 It's not sex dependent or gender dependent, but it's this weird thing that happens to people.

01:41:10.000 When someone starts pointing at you and saying, you know what, Chris? 1.00

01:41:13.000 You're just a fucking asshole. 1.00

01:41:15.000 You don't care about anybody but yourself. 1.00

01:41:17.000 And you're like, do I? God damn it. 1.00

01:41:19.000 You start having to look at yourself and go, is this true? 0.99

01:41:21.000 And if someone says it enough, you'll start to think it's true.

01:41:25.000 You'll start to believe it. 0.99

01:41:26.000 So if you get a guy and you lock him up in some fucking cage, and every day you tell him that he's a criminal, and every day you tell him, you're a terrorist. 1.00

01:41:32.000 You're plotting with ISIS. You fucking put an orange jumpsuit in him, and then he does want to kill you. 1.00

01:41:38.000 Yeah, of course. 1.00

01:41:39.000 And then before you know it, their fucking memory is so distorted and twisted by years of beatings and you're feeding them dog food and kicking them in the dick. 1.00

01:41:47.000 Who is that guy anymore? 1.00

01:41:49.000 14 years in Guantanamo Bay and they let him go?

01:41:51.000 I would be amazed if he doesn't become a terrorist now.

01:41:54.000 Yeah.

01:41:55.000 I would be amazed.

01:41:55.000 Sure.

01:41:56.000 There's no better breeding ground for terrorists than a terrorist in prison.

01:42:01.000 Or criminals than prison.

01:42:04.000 Look at our criminal justice system.

01:42:06.000 It's a mess.

01:42:06.000 It's not about helping anyone.

01:42:08.000 It's not about reducing crime.

01:42:09.000 It's just responding to some primordial revenge fantasy.

01:42:14.000 Which we know perfectly doesn't work. 0.98

01:42:16.000 Yeah, especially for shit like nonviolent crimes, which is a giant percentage of our prisons. 0.96

01:42:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:42:22.000 I mean, that is like one of the sickest aspects of our culture, that we have more people in prison than all the countries in the world. 0.99

01:42:30.000 Yeah.

01:42:30.000 There's no one in any other country.

01:42:32.000 Including police states.

01:42:34.000 Yeah.

01:42:35.000 It's crazy. 0.99

01:42:36.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

01:42:37.000 But it's the land of the free, right? 1.00

01:42:38.000 Home of the brave.

01:42:39.000 That's right.

01:42:39.000 America.

01:42:40.000 Yeah.

01:42:41.000 America.

01:42:41.000 And you're going to go to France and sit in a cafe in France.

01:42:44.000 Spain. 1.00

01:42:44.000 Spain, same shit. 1.00

01:42:46.000 Oh, I thought you were talking about me personally. 1.00

01:42:48.000 Well, you are going to go to Spain and escape our beautiful country here.

01:42:51.000 I'm going to Colombia first, though, I think.

01:42:53.000 I'm going to go hang on my friend's yacht in the Caribbean for a while.

01:42:57.000 Just hang with that dude.

01:42:58.000 See if he'll let you stay.

01:42:59.000 He's a baller.

01:43:00.000 Yeah, I know.

01:43:01.000 If I were really ballsy, because he's doing Christmas with his family elsewhere, and I know that yacht is sitting in the British Virgin Islands empty right now with the crew.

01:43:10.000 But just your luck, you'll get on it by yourself, and that's when the pirates will come.

01:43:14.000 Him planning on kidnapping him.

01:43:15.000 And I'll defend it, you know?

01:43:17.000 He'll be like, I'm Chris Ryan.

01:43:18.000 I'm an author.

01:43:19.000 I'm not a billionaire.

01:43:21.000 Exactly.

01:43:22.000 He'll be like, we saw your TED Talk.

01:43:23.000 You are wealthy!

01:43:24.000 The dead is only for the rich.

01:43:28.000 That's good, yeah. 1.00

01:43:29.000 Fucking yachts are weird in that sense, in that if you have one, like, man, it's beautiful and it's amazing, but people look at that floating fucking thing, and that's a bank. 0.99

01:43:39.000 That's like a floating bank. 1.00

01:43:40.000 Inside of it, there's money.

01:43:42.000 You just got to figure out how to extract it.

01:43:44.000 And if you can grab one of those people that's inside of it and take them and whisk them away and then contact the other people and say, hey, you got to give me some of that money if you want one of these people back.

01:43:54.000 But, on the other hand, a yacht this big, if you take someone off that yacht, you're going to have some serious guys coming looking for you.

01:44:02.000 It's not like a couple old people on a sailboat. 0.94

01:44:05.000 Yeah, but if you're in Mexico, they can't find El Chapo.

01:44:07.000 If you can't get to El Chapo, how are you going to do it on a yacht? 0.98

01:44:10.000 You buy that shit about El Chapo and the tunnel? 0.99

01:44:13.000 I don't buy that. 1.00

01:44:14.000 What do you mean you don't buy it?

01:44:15.000 I don't believe he escaped through the tunnel.

01:44:17.000 Why is that?

01:44:18.000 Because you don't...

01:44:19.000 Look, he's world famous for being the dude who builds tunnels, okay?

01:44:25.000 Well before they caught him.

01:44:27.000 I didn't know he was famous for being a dude who builds tunnels.

01:44:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:44:29.000 He's the dude who has all these tunnels under the border with the train tracks and all that, right?

01:44:34.000 So that's how he's like this major smuggler, right?

01:44:36.000 Right.

01:44:36.000 So he's the tunnel dude.

01:44:38.000 I think?

01:45:01.000 Right. 0.97

01:45:20.000 The prison guards, that's why they're all arrested now, paid off the head of the prison, paid off the senators and the governors and probably the president, and then they built the tunnel to give a viable story for the dipshits like us to listen to and say, 0.98

01:45:36.000 oh, he escaped through the tunnel. 0.98

01:45:38.000 No, he didn't. 0.99

01:45:38.000 He walked out the fucking front door and got into a limo. 0.99

01:45:40.000 Give me a break. 1.00

01:45:41.000 But they need the tunnel.

01:45:43.000 He definitely got out through the tunnel.

01:45:44.000 There's video of it.

01:45:46.000 There's security video, but I agree with you on all the other aspects of it.

01:45:48.000 Who'd that come from?

01:45:49.000 Who gave us the security video of him going behind that little wall and crouching down and disappearing?

01:45:54.000 Who gave us that video?

01:45:55.000 But it took a year to get him through the tunnel.

01:45:57.000 I mean, the tunnel exists.

01:45:58.000 Yeah, it exists as a story.

01:46:00.000 Oh, that's so strange.

01:46:01.000 You're a conspiracy theorist. 1.00

01:46:03.000 That's the dumbest conspiracy ever. 1.00

01:46:05.000 The actual tunnel exists. 0.99

01:46:06.000 But that doesn't mean he used it.

01:46:08.000 That means it exists so that we'll say, oh, he got out through the tunnel.

01:46:11.000 Then we won't look at all the people he paid off.

01:46:15.000 I feel like I'm talking Eddie Bravo.

01:46:16.000 This is crazy.

01:46:18.000 Of course he paid off some people, but I think he paid off some people to allow him to build a tunnel.

01:46:22.000 I think that's the Occam's razor point of view.

01:46:25.000 Yeah, I don't think so.

01:46:26.000 I think the Occam's razor point of view is with the amount of corruption that we know exists in the Mexican government, that he paid people off.

01:46:33.000 The guy's got billions of dollars.

01:46:34.000 He paid people off.

01:46:35.000 They said, okay, but we got to come up with some cover story.

01:46:39.000 We can't just let you walk out the front door because then it's obvious that you paid us off.

01:46:44.000 Because there's no other, you know, explanation.

01:46:46.000 So we make up this story of how, oh, well, okay, have them build a tunnel.

01:46:49.000 That'll take a couple of months.

01:46:51.000 Fine, they build the tunnel.

01:46:52.000 We say, you went out through the tunnel. 1.00

01:46:54.000 We'll leave the fucking evidence and whatever, the little motorbike and all this bullshit. 1.00

01:46:58.000 And that's the story. 1.00

01:46:59.000 That's the way they do this shit. 1.00

01:47:00.000 Well, the tunnel is a mile long. 1.00

01:47:02.000 They say it took a year.

01:47:04.000 They say it took a year to build.

01:47:05.000 Yeah.

01:47:05.000 But because it had electricity in it.

01:47:08.000 Yeah.

01:47:08.000 It had ventilation.

01:47:09.000 It had an electric bike.

01:47:11.000 Like he hopped on an electric bike and shot down to the end of that thing.

01:47:14.000 You don't buy it.

01:47:15.000 I don't buy it. 1.00

01:47:18.000 In Mexico, you just fucking pay people off. 0.99

01:47:20.000 That's the way it works. 1.00

01:47:21.000 The securest building in Mexico, that is like saying the prettiest gorilla. 0.81

01:47:27.000 You know, the most secure prison in Mexico.

01:47:31.000 Mexican prisons are pretty cool, actually.

01:47:34.000 If you're going to go to prison, Mexico is a good place. 1.00

01:47:36.000 If you have a little money.

01:47:37.000 Oh, if you have money.

01:47:38.000 If you have a little money.

01:47:39.000 You don't need a lot.

01:47:41.000 Because in Mexican prisons, your wife can come visit and stay with you. 1.00

01:47:46.000 You can have good food.

01:47:48.000 People can bring you food.

01:47:50.000 You can get cigarettes.

01:47:51.000 You can watch TV. It's not like American where you're going to be in a sterile environment.

01:47:56.000 In Mexico, they're porous. 0.99

01:47:59.000 You have to stay there, but your wife can come, your girlfriend can come, hookers can come. 1.00

01:48:04.000 Hookers? 1.00

01:48:05.000 Yeah.

01:48:05.000 Really?

01:48:06.000 Wow. 0.62

01:48:07.000 Wasn't that one of the things that they had been upset about him in the previous incarceration, that he had been bringing in prostitutes? 0.65

01:48:15.000 Yeah.

01:48:15.000 He had like parties.

01:48:16.000 Well, he ran the prison.

01:48:17.000 Yeah.

01:48:18.000 Yeah.

01:48:18.000 But he got out of that one too, right?

01:48:19.000 How did he get out of that one? 0.86

01:48:20.000 Like helicopters or some shit? 0.97

01:48:21.000 Well, they said he like went out through the laundry, I think it was. 0.97

01:48:24.000 Like in a laundry thing.

01:48:26.000 Yeah.

01:48:27.000 Well, there was a story recently, we were actually talking about this in a previous podcast, that they had come very close to catching him, like within the last couple weeks.

01:48:34.000 And then he broke his leg.

01:48:36.000 Jumping out a window or something?

01:48:37.000 Yeah.

01:48:37.000 Yeah, they said they believe he broke his leg.

01:48:39.000 Yeah.

01:48:40.000 And he was wished away by his security guards.

01:48:42.000 El Chapo.

01:48:43.000 Who knows?

01:48:44.000 It's as terrifying that this gigantic organized crime empire is built out of the drug war.

01:48:53.000 Because of prohibition, it's no different than Al Capone during the alcohol prohibition that we had.

01:48:59.000 Kennedy?

01:48:59.000 Yeah.

01:49:00.000 That's really interesting, right?

01:49:01.000 Yeah.

01:49:02.000 Well, it's the same mechanism we've been talking about all afternoon, right?

01:49:06.000 You repress it, the pressure bill, it's like a steam engine or an internal combustion engine.

01:49:10.000 Create pressure, no release, and then use the energy of the release for your own purposes.

01:49:17.000 Yeah, it just finds a way out, right?

01:49:18.000 It finds a little valve.

01:49:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:21.000 Like my poor girl with her shaved vagina. 1.00

01:49:23.000 The girl from high school. 1.00

01:49:25.000 The little crazy girl. 0.99

01:49:27.000 The poor repressed girl. 1.00

01:49:29.000 That girl was also, this is the first girl that I ever met that told me that she liked it when her boyfriend hit her. 0.99

01:49:36.000 Yeah.

01:49:36.000 That was real, because we worked together too.

01:49:38.000 And we were working together and she was crying to me that, you know, this guy that she was dating beat her. 1.00

01:49:44.000 The same guy who shaved her pussy. 1.00

01:49:46.000 He went whole hog. 1.00

01:49:47.000 This crazy dude. 0.97

01:49:48.000 But that he had hit her. 0.98

01:49:51.000 And she's like, you know what's fucked up, though? 0.99

01:49:53.000 I like it. 0.96

01:49:54.000 And I was like, whoa.

01:49:55.000 Like, I remember thinking, like, I don't even know where to begin with this.

01:49:59.000 I go, you like it?

01:50:00.000 She goes, some part of it. 1.00

01:50:01.000 I don't know what the fuck it is. 1.00

01:50:02.000 It just turns me on. 1.00

01:50:03.000 Yeah.

01:50:04.000 Well, I mean, that relates to what we were saying earlier.

01:50:06.000 Like, we don't choose what we want.

01:50:10.000 We don't choose what feels good.

01:50:11.000 Things feel good.

01:50:12.000 I mean, there's a... 0.86

01:50:14.000 I mean, this is really a fucked up thing to talk about, but it's real. 0.99

01:50:17.000 One of the reasons that rape is so psychologically damaging to women is a lot of women come when they're being raped. 0.99

01:50:26.000 So imagine the schism that that creates in your own experience, where you're like, one part of you is saying, this is the worst fucking violation that's ever happened, and this guy is a monster, and your body's coming. 1.00

01:50:41.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:50:42.000 And see, I think that's similar to what we were talking about with these little boys who are having experiences that get sealed as a pleasurable experience in one way, even though later they look back on it and say, that was a violation and a crime. 1.00

01:50:56.000 Yeah.

01:50:56.000 Sexuality is such a very, very strange thing because it's not just about reproducing.

01:51:01.000 There's psychological aspects to it.

01:51:04.000 There's sociological aspects to it.

01:51:06.000 There's forbidden things that become more appealing because of it.

01:51:10.000 It's so strange what exists with human beings and that it doesn't exist at all in any of the animal world.

01:51:18.000 This idea of being conscious and being aware and of also contemplating all the variables.

01:51:23.000 And that this sort of combines together with the biological needs of reproduction.

01:51:28.000 And it creates this really potent, confusing cocktail of ideas.

01:51:32.000 That's one of the reasons why it's so offensive when you find out...

01:51:38.000 That someone that you know has either been raped or someone that you know has been accused of raping someone and they didn't do it or that someone that you know has been involved somehow in a rape, like they were a part of a rape or they maybe were in a gangbang rape or something like that.

01:51:57.000 It's just like, whoa, my whole world's been thrown upside down.

01:52:00.000 Like, this idea of what people can and can't do to each other, it's so crazy.

01:52:06.000 Human beings forcing themselves on other human beings is so strange. 0.99

01:52:10.000 And then when you hear, how many women have a rape fantasy? 1.00

01:52:13.000 Well, you're like, well, well, fuck! 1.00

01:52:15.000 Jesus Christ, that's what you want? 1.00

01:52:18.000 No, no, no, no.

01:52:20.000 Definitely don't want it.

01:52:20.000 It's what I enjoy thinking about.

01:52:22.000 Well, what the fuck does that mean? 1.00

01:52:23.000 Do you want to get raped or no? 1.00

01:52:24.000 No, definitely not. 1.00

01:52:25.000 But I fantasize about it.

01:52:27.000 It makes me come.

01:52:27.000 What?!

01:52:28.000 Yeah.

01:52:28.000 What are you saying?

01:52:30.000 Like, my buddy was having sex with his girlfriend once, and she admitted while they were having sex that what she really wants is a bunch of black guys to come over and just fuck the shit out of her against her will, hold her down, and he said he never thought about it the same way again. 1.00

01:52:46.000 He was like, he was fucked. 1.00

01:52:47.000 Like, the relationship was done. 1.00

01:52:49.000 It was like you couldn't handle it. 1.00

01:52:50.000 She just wanted big, muscular black guys to come over and just fuck the shit out of her. 1.00

01:52:56.000 Just hold her, shut up, bitch! 1.00

01:52:59.000 And she didn't really want it to happen, but she wanted it to happen. 1.00

01:53:03.000 In her head, that was the fantasy. 0.99

01:53:05.000 The fantasy, when she would be alone, no one was there, she would lock her bedroom door and masturbate, she would be thinking about getting raped. 0.99

01:53:12.000 In some crazy way. 0.99

01:53:15.000 She didn't want a relationship with that guy.

01:53:18.000 She didn't want that guy to nuzzle her, take care of her and cuddle and watch Netflix.

01:53:22.000 No. 1.00

01:53:23.000 She wanted that guy's cum in her body to make some super potent child birthed out of violence. 1.00

01:53:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:53:31.000 Hey, animal passion, man. 1.00

01:53:33.000 That's fucked, though, right? 1.00

01:53:35.000 They're the last remnants of that. 0.98

01:53:36.000 Yeah, well, I don't know if they're the last remnants, but, I mean, you know, UFC fighting, what's that?

01:53:42.000 You know, that's animal passion.

01:53:43.000 That's animal, like, basic.

01:53:45.000 I mean, I know there's art to it, and, you know, the way you look at it's different than the way I look at it.

01:53:49.000 But I look at it, and I see two dudes, like...

01:53:54.000 It's hard to argue.

01:53:56.000 Or two women, in the case of the women. 1.00

01:53:59.000 But what about these cases you read about every once in a while where a dude goes to a woman's house at night and she thinks it's her husband and they have sex and then she finds out it was just some guy?

01:54:14.000 What?

01:54:15.000 Yeah. 0.59

01:54:15.000 Every couple of years you read one of these cases where like some guys like he just walks into a house and has sex with a woman and she's and then she's like, wait a minute, you're not my husband. 0.59

01:54:25.000 Those things seem unbelievable to me, but I've seen them several times. 0.97

01:54:29.000 Well, weirder things can happen, especially if you're in a situation where maybe your neighbor has been thinking about fucking your wife forever, or the postman, and maybe they know your schedule. 0.96

01:54:40.000 He doesn't come home until 9. Every night he works this shift, and I can just get in there on Tuesdays, because that's when he's not there. 0.91

01:54:48.000 Give her the dick. 1.00

01:54:49.000 I know twins who did that. 1.00

01:54:51.000 Really?

01:54:51.000 Yeah.

01:54:52.000 Oh, that seems more likely.

01:54:54.000 Yeah.

01:54:54.000 But there's also a problem with sleeping pills, man.

01:54:56.000 Oh, yeah, that Ambien is fucking dangerous. 0.99

01:55:00.000 That's fucking very, very dangerous. 0.99

01:55:02.000 I've had a bunch of friends have some really bizarre experiences. 0.99

01:55:06.000 Like, one of my buddies woke up in the car driving somewhere and realized what he was doing.

01:55:11.000 He had already gotten in the car and was already driving and was on some sort of weird autopilot when he realized that he was driving somewhere.

01:55:17.000 Yeah.

01:55:18.000 That's heavy.

01:55:19.000 It's very scary because someone can do things to you, I'm sure, while you're under the influence of sleeping pills, and you would probably just accept it or think it was a part of your dream or what.

01:55:30.000 But when you're taking something that forces you into that state...

01:55:34.000 We're monkeying with the mind in a strange way.

01:55:37.000 And these companies that make these pills will have you believe that it's safe.

01:55:42.000 It's because you don't die.

01:55:44.000 So if you don't die, they'll label it as safe.

01:55:47.000 Look, we woke him up or he woke up in the morning and we checked his heart rate.

01:55:51.000 Everything's fine.

01:55:52.000 His blood plate.

01:55:53.000 And how do you feel, Chris?

01:55:54.000 I feel great.

01:55:55.000 Well, I had a wonderful night's sleep.

01:55:57.000 Ambien is safe.

01:55:58.000 It's safe.

01:55:59.000 Yeah.

01:55:59.000 But it's not necessarily safe.

01:56:01.000 I mean, whether it's safe, there's possible potential repercussions for doing that shit. 0.99

01:56:06.000 And one of them is that something happens to you while you're doing it. 0.99

01:56:09.000 I think El Chapo was on Ambien.

01:56:11.000 You think so?

01:56:11.000 That's what happened.

01:56:12.000 Maybe aliens abducted him. 0.98

01:56:14.000 Look, this is how fucking easy it is to come in here and talk to you, all right? 0.98

01:56:17.000 I came in thinking, I don't know what we're going to talk about. 0.96

01:56:19.000 We just talked a month ago.

01:56:20.000 I don't have anything new to talk about.

01:56:22.000 So I made a couple of notes.

01:56:24.000 Haven't gotten either one of them. 0.99

01:56:26.000 Well, we always have shit to talk about. 0.97

01:56:27.000 You really worried about that? 0.99

01:56:29.000 Well, I feel bad.

01:56:29.000 I mean, if it's just you and me hanging out and Jamie, that's fine.

01:56:32.000 But if there are a million people listening in, they're like, that asshole was just on there a few weeks ago. 1.00

01:56:37.000 I don't want to hear his shit again. 1.00

01:56:38.000 Don't worry about those people. 1.00

01:56:40.000 You can't think about that.

01:56:41.000 Those people are really nice, actually.

01:56:43.000 Most of them are nice.

01:56:44.000 The vast majority.

01:56:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:56:46.000 I mean, like, you know, everyone talks about how the internet brings out the asshole in everybody, right? 0.99

01:56:51.000 But, like, the people who, you know, go to the trouble of rating my podcast or putting, you know, comments, they're fucking beautiful. 0.97

01:56:59.000 Like, if I'm feeling down, I go read them.

01:57:02.000 Like, oh, you guys love me.

01:57:03.000 It's beautiful.

01:57:03.000 Well, you're giving them something for free that's awesome, you know?

01:57:07.000 Well, it's awesome sometimes.

01:57:08.000 But it's a cool exchange, you know?

01:57:10.000 Yeah.

01:57:11.000 Actually, I think I might have mentioned the last time I was on that You know, you and Duncan had sort of...

01:57:17.000 You know, when we get together and talk about the future, I'm like the...

01:57:21.000 But I read this book called Future Perfect by Stephen Johnson.

01:57:28.000 And...

01:57:30.000 I got a bunch of books that I was going to trash, right?

01:57:34.000 Like there's The Rational Optimist by Matt Ridley.

01:57:36.000 And there are a couple of books that are all like, oh, everything's great.

01:57:39.000 And I was like, okay, I'll respond to these arguments because obviously I'm making a different argument, so I should acknowledge them.

01:57:46.000 So I trashed Matt Ridley.

01:57:47.000 I trashed Steven Pinker.

01:57:49.000 I trashed some other people. 0.99

01:57:50.000 And then I read this Future Perfect and it's like, fuck, this guy's right. 0.99

01:57:54.000 He's right. 0.99

01:57:54.000 He makes really good arguments. 0.99

01:57:56.000 And they're very much along the lines of what you were saying about the power of unfiltered media that's happening, that's unleashed by the Internet, creating these emergent peer networks that never could have existed before.

01:58:11.000 So good ideas can spread really quickly and get capital really quickly if it's a business sort of money distribution kind of thing.

01:58:21.000 And therefore, things can change.

01:58:25.000 Like, I'm looking back at every civilization that's ever existed, and they fail, fail, they all collapse, and they all follow the same patterns.

01:58:33.000 But there wasn't this sort of immediate world global mind.

01:58:39.000 Mm-hmm.

01:58:40.000 And now there is.

01:58:41.000 And as I said earlier, you know, homo sapiens sapiens, the hominid that knows it knows.

01:58:45.000 What does it know?

01:58:46.000 It knows it's going to die.

01:58:47.000 The first thing that consciousness becomes aware of is its own mortality, right?

01:58:52.000 So what I'm hoping is that when this global mind clicks on, as I think it's happening right now, that's when we become aware of our mortality as a species and as a planet.

01:59:02.000 And maybe there's some like radical transformative power in that.

01:59:07.000 And we'll all end up living like Joe Rogan in 100 years.

01:59:10.000 Well, I definitely think there's a radical transformative power of the instant exchanging of ideas and information.

01:59:16.000 Because the good ideas, they get vetted out.

01:59:19.000 Like, everybody's ideas get discussed and bandied about.

01:59:22.000 And even, you know, podcast ideas.

01:59:23.000 Like, there's some ideas that people, you know, throw out on podcasts and they get debated.

01:59:28.000 And everybody gets...

01:59:30.000 There's so much intensity and so much, you know...

01:59:33.000 Discussion and debate about who's right and who's wrong.

01:59:37.000 And it's because I think one of the reasons why people have so much of a vested interest in these things is they recognize the significance of exposing ideas for what they truly are and trying to figure out which ones are good and which ones are bad.

01:59:48.000 And also the repercussions of living in a world filled with bad ideas and bad assumptions that we're all acting on. 0.99

01:59:55.000 Whether it's racism or homophobia or the fucking Federal Reserve or the fucking two-party system. 0.98

02:00:03.000 All these things, all these things we know by virtue of examining all the facts, like, God, this is not the best way to do this, but this is the system that we're stuck with. 0.98

02:00:12.000 So when we're making communities, and even if they're open-ended online communities of people exchanging ideas, they're still kind of communities.

02:00:20.000 Like people I talk with on Twitter or people that I read their Facebook posts, there is a community to that because we are exchanging information.

02:00:29.000 We're all communicating with each other, right?

02:00:31.000 And there's a community that comes with podcasts as well.

02:00:34.000 I mean, the people that are listening to this right now, the millions of people that'll get a hold of this conversation, they're a part of a community.

02:00:42.000 And whether or not they agree or disagree or hate or love, they're still in somehow or another, they're still in some way communing with each other.

02:00:51.000 We're talking and communicating and everybody has this ability now to exchange ideas and the good ones sort of resonate.

02:01:01.000 And because of that, I think we can exchange ideas and evolve ideas and evolve our own perceptions of things in a much, much, much quicker way than ever before in the history of the human race.

02:01:15.000 That's one of the reasons why I'm so optimistic.

02:01:17.000 Yeah, and I agree with you.

02:01:18.000 And that's what this book really, he really gets into that and examples of it.

02:01:22.000 What's it called again?

02:01:22.000 It's called Future Perfect and the author is Steven Johnson.

02:01:26.000 And, like, he talks about Kickstarter and how, you know, Kickstarter, two years after it was launched, it was already funding more art than the National Endowment for the Arts.

02:01:38.000 Wow.

02:01:39.000 You know, in two years.

02:01:40.000 And, I mean, you know, you're talking about how things resonate and they happen quicker.

02:01:46.000 And I think another aspect of it is that...

02:01:50.000 Until now, the ideas that became powerful had to have market appeal.

02:01:55.000 You had to be able to make money from it somehow.

02:01:58.000 Whereas now, like here you are, we push this button.

02:02:01.000 I mean, it costs nothing to produce these things, these podcasts, right?

02:02:04.000 They go out.

02:02:05.000 If the idea is good, a million people hear about it.

02:02:08.000 That resonates further.

02:02:09.000 It doesn't matter if it's a sellable idea.

02:02:12.000 It just matters if it's a good idea.

02:02:14.000 Whereas before, when all the media was controlled by companies that needed to be making money somehow, it had to have that commercial appeal.

02:02:23.000 Well, a lot of times people wouldn't even venture into something like this unless they thought that it was profitable.

02:02:28.000 When I got into this, I did it entirely just for fun.

02:02:31.000 I think it's one of the reasons why it's been successful.

02:02:33.000 I had no...

02:02:35.000 No ulterior motive at all.

02:02:37.000 It was just fun.

02:02:39.000 I just thought, I have fun.

02:02:40.000 And we started doing these a long time ago on a platform called JustinTV.

02:02:46.000 We were doing from the green room.

02:02:48.000 I remember JustinTV, yeah.

02:02:49.000 We would stream from a laptop card.

02:02:52.000 I used to have this Verizon card.

02:02:54.000 I was taking my laptop.

02:02:55.000 It would stream from green rooms in between shows. 0.88

02:02:59.000 It would just be us fucking around and talking to the camera and maybe we'd answer questions or something like that if there was a chat. 0.81

02:03:06.000 And there was never a thought like, hey, this is going to be really profitable someday. 0.93

02:03:11.000 So let's make sure that our guests are only really acceptable mainstream guests that we know are going to get a lot of attention.

02:03:18.000 Right.

02:03:19.000 And sometimes I'll get complaints about that.

02:03:21.000 Like, how come you keep having...

02:03:22.000 Your friends or some hunter dude or some comedian or a fighter that I don't know.

02:03:27.000 How come you can't get Obama?

02:03:30.000 Marc Maron got Obama.

02:03:32.000 How come you don't get Steven Spielberg?

02:03:35.000 I'm not even trying.

02:03:37.000 How about that?

02:03:37.000 I just want to have conversations.

02:03:39.000 If I really wanted to have a conversation with Obama, I don't even know if it is possible, because I think if the fucking Secret Service listened to any of the shit that I've said before, I'd probably be removed from the discussion, but... 0.97

02:03:52.000 I mean, I feel like there's some people that I probably could talk to that I'm not drawn to that. 0.96

02:03:59.000 I'm not drawn to them.

02:04:01.000 I'm not interested in it.

02:04:03.000 But if I am interested in them, I'll pursue them.

02:04:05.000 Like, there's some famous people that I find fascinating.

02:04:07.000 I would love to talk to them.

02:04:09.000 Ferner Herzog, dude.

02:04:10.000 Yeah.

02:04:10.000 But not just because they're famous.

02:04:12.000 No.

02:04:13.000 But if you have a talk show, like if you have The Tonight Show or something along those lines, you can't do a show like that unless you have famous people on.

02:04:21.000 That's the whole model.

02:04:22.000 Right.

02:04:23.000 That's the only way to do it.

02:04:24.000 And it's someone pitching something, right?

02:04:26.000 Exactly.

02:04:27.000 And you don't get to choose.

02:04:28.000 That's the other problem.

02:04:29.000 If you're the host of one of those shows, and you're a part of some multimedia conglomerate like NBC or Universal or whatever the fuck it is, they're gonna bring you all these people. 0.60

02:04:38.000 This is Mike, blah blah blah, he's got this fucking Fast and the Furious 47 coming out, and you know, and you gotta have that guy out.

02:04:45.000 What was it like on the set working with Michelle Rodriguez? 0.98

02:04:47.000 Oh man, she's crazy.

02:04:49.000 First of all, we're just like a tight-knit family when we film this film. 0.99

02:04:52.000 It's amazing, and I got a real big thanks out to Steven Spielberg for producing, you know, like all that bullshit. 0.61

02:04:57.000 The crew was This is great. 0.99

02:04:58.000 It's nonsense.

02:04:59.000 It's nonsense.

02:05:00.000 And that's all you're ever going to get in these little seven-minute sound bites in between commercials.

02:05:04.000 You do the seven minutes, we'll be right back.

02:05:06.000 All right. 1.00

02:05:06.000 And then you go to commercial, and then fucking, Ty, Toyota, woo, blah, blah, blah, habilified. 1.00

02:05:11.000 You feel depressed. 0.99

02:05:12.000 And then next thing you know, bam, new guest with our new top 40 song, I Love Apples. 1.00

02:05:18.000 And then fucking sing their stupid song. 1.00

02:05:20.000 And then, all right, thanks for coming. 1.00

02:05:22.000 We'll be back next week with Tom Cruise.

02:05:25.000 We got Oprah Winfrey.

02:05:26.000 We got, you know.

02:05:28.000 The flaws.

02:05:29.000 The flaws signs.

02:05:30.000 Kim Kardashian!

02:05:32.000 All right!

02:05:33.000 And you're going to watch these famous heads say nothing, say nonsense, and that's all those shows are.

02:05:42.000 And that's one of the reasons why those shows are...

02:05:43.000 It's an old model.

02:05:46.000 And I think that model is not going to work in this new world.

02:05:49.000 This new world of computers and the internet and phones, this new world wants real information. 1.00

02:05:54.000 They want to know, who the fuck are you? 1.00

02:05:57.000 Like you or don't like you? 1.00

02:05:59.000 You're you.

02:06:00.000 Chris Ryan is Chris Ryan every time I've seen you talk.

02:06:02.000 You're you.

02:06:03.000 And that's what people like.

02:06:04.000 That's what resonates.

02:06:05.000 They know whether or not they agree with you or disagree with you.

02:06:08.000 They know that where you're coming from is a place of honest consideration.

02:06:11.000 And I try to do that as well.

02:06:13.000 Everything I try to do, whether I'm right or I'm wrong, if I get it wrong or I'm clunky, I'm not trying to be anything other than who I am.

02:06:22.000 I think we're all in this together and we're all learning and evolving and growing and expanding our ideas together.

02:06:29.000 I think one of the beautiful things about podcasts is that you get to share this with other people.

02:06:33.000 There's a lot of people right now that might be listening to this in a truck on the way to somewhere and they got fucking three hours to go and they're thinking about shit and it's enriching their ideas and they're expanding their own ideas because of it. 0.82

02:06:45.000 Maybe they're adding something in their head. 0.98

02:06:47.000 They're thinking, you know what?

02:06:48.000 These guys are right, but you know what else?

02:06:50.000 What about this?

02:06:50.000 And then they have their own idea from that and maybe that can become a fucking business opportunity for them or a book that they write or they start their own podcast.

02:06:58.000 I've gotten fucking hundreds and hundreds of messages from people that said they started their own podcast from listening to this. 0.96

02:07:05.000 And that alone, who knows? 0.99

02:07:07.000 You could nail some fucking podcast and that podcast might be the best thing that anybody's ever heard before. 0.98

02:07:15.000 And it might all come out of you hearing Tangentially Speaking or the Duncan Trussell Family Hour or whatever. 0.99

02:07:21.000 And I think that in that sense, like...

02:07:24.000 Everybody has a voice now, you know?

02:07:26.000 In some really unique way that never existed before.

02:07:30.000 And what you were saying about the guy in the truck, as you were saying that, I was thinking, one of the things that I really...

02:07:36.000 We were earlier talking about Radiolab, and I said I found it sort of annoying how produced it is.

02:07:42.000 And I think one of the things that's cool about your show, my show, Duncan's show, these conversational shows that aren't highly produced and edited, is that that guy in the truck...

02:07:52.000 He's listening to us have a conversation in real time.

02:07:55.000 So it's really easy for him to imagine himself participating.

02:07:58.000 Whereas if you're listening to something where everything's cut and real tight and controlled, you can't insert yourself into that world because that's not a real world.

02:08:08.000 Maybe that's why I like Radiolab is because I'm so used to this and I do this so often.

02:08:13.000 I'm doing this three times, sometimes four times.

02:08:15.000 We've done five a week on some weeks.

02:08:18.000 That when I go to something like Radiolab, I can just sit down and absorb the information.

02:08:22.000 And also because I think it's so good.

02:08:25.000 It's great.

02:08:25.000 The subject matter is amazing.

02:08:27.000 Oh, it's incredible.

02:08:28.000 Yeah.

02:08:28.000 But I can see your point.

02:08:29.000 Like, sometimes it annoys me when they edit.

02:08:31.000 Like, someone's in the middle of talking and then they'll explain in a paraphrased way what that guy actually wound up saying.

02:08:36.000 Well, how about you let him say it?

02:08:38.000 Right.

02:08:38.000 Like, why do you have to chime in?

02:08:39.000 Are we missing 10, 15 seconds of his explanation?

02:08:42.000 Is it too verbose?

02:08:44.000 Like, why have you got to cut in?

02:08:46.000 Yeah.

02:08:46.000 But they're doing it because they kind of like doing that.

02:08:48.000 They like being clever with the sound.

02:08:50.000 That's their art.

02:08:51.000 I mean, they're creating this thing.

02:08:53.000 One of my all-time favorites is Dan Carlin's Hardcore History.

02:08:56.000 Oh, it's amazing.

02:08:57.000 It's great.

02:08:57.000 Have you heard the newest one?

02:08:59.000 Uh-uh.

02:08:59.000 Oh, good Lord.

02:09:00.000 It might be his best ever.

02:09:02.000 It just came down like a week ago.

02:09:02.000 Just out.

02:09:03.000 What's it about?

02:09:03.000 Just out.

02:09:04.000 About the Assyrians.

02:09:05.000 Oh, my God.

02:09:06.000 Oh, my God.

02:09:07.000 It's good.

02:09:08.000 He's great.

02:09:08.000 Oh.

02:09:08.000 Oh, he's the best.

02:09:09.000 And you've had him on your show, right?

02:09:11.000 Yes.

02:09:11.000 I love that guy.

02:09:11.000 He's a fucking national treasure.

02:09:14.000 He makes people think about history in a way. 0.99

02:09:17.000 It's exciting.

02:09:19.000 You could digest it, you know?

02:09:21.000 Yeah.

02:09:22.000 I was taking a walk the other day, and I was listening to one of the series about World War I. Oh, yeah.

02:09:28.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

02:09:29.000 Something of doom.

02:09:31.000 Yeah.

02:09:31.000 No.

02:09:33.000 The Prophets of Doom, I think, was the one about...

02:09:35.000 Here, I'll pull it off my phone.

02:09:36.000 It's like a seven-part series, and each one's two or three hours long.

02:09:41.000 But as I was listening, I was thinking, how?

02:09:44.000 Because I used to think history was boring, right?

02:09:46.000 When I was in high school. 1.00

02:09:47.000 I was like, ah, fucking history class. 0.99

02:09:49.000 Blueprint for Armageddon, that's what it is. 1.00

02:09:51.000 That's it, yeah.

02:09:52.000 All about World War I. Oh, my God. 1.00

02:09:54.000 Incredible shit. 1.00

02:09:55.000 And the way he tells the story and the details, the research, is like, this is the most interesting shit I can imagine listening to. 1.00

02:10:04.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:10:05.000 And history was boring.

02:10:06.000 How hard do you have to work to make this boring?

02:10:08.000 Well, I think there's a difference between his...

02:10:11.000 I mean, it's one of the reasons why he makes the distinction that he's not a historian.

02:10:15.000 Yeah.

02:10:15.000 You know, he's like...

02:10:16.000 And although I do consider him one, he won't consider himself one because he's so humble.

02:10:20.000 But what he's doing is he's adding this...

02:10:24.000 The dramatic flair of a professional broadcaster.

02:10:28.000 And a really excellent one.

02:10:30.000 And a really excellent entertainer.

02:10:33.000 And he's...

02:10:34.000 He's distributing.

02:10:35.000 He knows how to use his voice.

02:10:36.000 Oh, yeah.

02:10:37.000 He's so good dramatically with his pauses.

02:10:39.000 And when he quotes, you know, he changes his voice.

02:10:42.000 Yes. 0.97

02:10:43.000 Fucking good. 0.99

02:10:44.000 The new one's even better than the other ones. 0.99

02:10:45.000 I think he's getting better.

02:10:46.000 Yeah, listen to that.

02:10:47.000 Scary as that sounds.

02:10:47.000 And Daniel E. Bolelli now is in the ring.

02:10:50.000 History on fire.

02:10:51.000 Yeah.

02:10:51.000 He was just here.

02:10:52.000 He was just here on Friday.

02:10:53.000 A couple days ago, yeah. 0.99

02:10:54.000 Fuckin' love that guy. 0.97

02:10:55.000 And his new podcast is really excellent, too. 0.97

02:10:58.000 The beginning, the first one, it's about a story that he had actually told me on the podcast. 0.99

02:11:05.000 And I remember saying, what the fuck? 0.94

02:11:07.000 I don't want to explain it to anybody, because I don't want to blow any of the suspense and the craziness of the first story. 0.98

02:11:14.000 But not Zero, Zero, which is kind of when he's explaining it, but episode one. 0.99

02:11:18.000 Fuck, that story is so twisted. 0.97

02:11:21.000 When you find out what people were capable of doing to each other just a few hundred, a thousand, two thousand years ago. 1.00

02:11:28.000 Dude, right now we're blowing up people in Yemen. 1.00

02:11:30.000 I mean, and they say only 10% of the people who get blown up are the ones we're aiming at.

02:11:35.000 Oh, yeah.

02:11:35.000 90% are innocent bystanders.

02:11:37.000 Yeah.

02:11:38.000 Yeah.

02:11:38.000 Well, I mean this- Drones.

02:11:40.000 In this book I'm almost finished with now, the argument is that civilization is sick.

02:11:48.000 Right?

02:11:49.000 Civilization itself is a sick system, partly because it's built on the repression of natural urges and then, you know, all this distortion and all that.

02:11:58.000 So when you look at, like, all these stories that, you know, people are talking about, World War I, we don't even know what they're fighting about, you know? 0.99

02:12:05.000 And they're poisoning each other and they're blowing shit up and they're destroying the landscape and it's dropping tons of munitions and all this shit. 0.98

02:12:13.000 Or Columbus, when Columbus landed, you know, he fucking... 0.99

02:12:17.000 You know, the letter he wrote back to the Queen when he first landed in Hispaniola was like, these people are so beautiful and they're so generous. 0.97

02:12:25.000 If you express admiration for anything, they just give it to you and there's food everywhere and fish everywhere and fruit and they swim and they're half naked and they're lovely, lovely people.

02:12:36.000 With 50 soldiers, we can enslave the entire population.

02:12:40.000 It's like, who's civilized here?

02:12:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:12:42.000 You know, the guy who's like, fuck you, and he's cutting off people's hands because they're not bringing him enough gold? 1.00

02:12:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:12:47.000 And there is no gold. 1.00

02:12:48.000 And then they're setting the dogs on them and watching them rip their guts out and slamming babies against trees.

02:12:54.000 Yeah.

02:12:55.000 We're the civilized ones? 1.00

02:12:56.000 Give me a fucking break. 0.99

02:12:58.000 Well, that was all explained in really great detail by some religious person that was involved with that, right? 0.99

02:13:04.000 Bartolome de las Casas.

02:13:05.000 Yeah.

02:13:06.000 What was his position?

02:13:08.000 He was a Jesuit, and he wrote The Conquest of New Spain was Diaz.

02:13:17.000 That's a really interesting book.

02:13:18.000 That's about the Aztec thing, where they went and took over.

02:13:22.000 Montezuma.

02:13:23.000 But De Las Casas was a Jesuit who saw this happening and wrote all these treaties, treatises, or essays.

02:13:33.000 Yeah.

02:13:58.000 And De Las Casas won, but didn't matter. 1.00

02:14:01.000 You know, my question is, it's pretty much universally accepted that Columbus was a cunt. 1.00

02:14:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:14:06.000 In that he was a horrible, evil person.

02:14:08.000 But how did it take us until 2015 before we recognize that? 1.00

02:14:12.000 How the fuck did that guy get a Monday? 0.91

02:14:14.000 How did he get a day off? 1.00

02:14:15.000 I mean, the same reason the fucking... 0.99

02:14:17.000 Those heads are carved into the Black Hills in South Dakota, right? 0.99

02:14:21.000 It's like...

02:14:22.000 It's what we were saying earlier.

02:14:23.000 A system wants...

02:14:38.000 Right.

02:14:39.000 Right.

02:14:41.000 Right.

02:14:45.000 Is something that served the interest of the system.

02:14:48.000 And so what I'm trying to get at in this book is that what serves the interest of the system is not what serves the interest of the individuals within the system.

02:14:58.000 So the fact that, you know, people often say, well, obviously the human race is amazing because, you know, so successful because, look, there's 7 billion of us now and there were only 100 million 500 years ago, whatever it is.

02:15:12.000 And my argument is like, well, wait a minute.

02:15:15.000 There are way more prisoners in America now than there were 50 years ago.

02:15:20.000 Does that mean prisoners are thriving?

02:15:21.000 The fact that there are more of a given species doesn't mean that individuals within that species are living better than prisoners.

02:15:29.000 No, not at all.

02:15:29.000 It's also the same sort of logic that would say, well, obviously being a king and being royal is special, and these are special people.

02:15:36.000 That's why they have power over all these other people.

02:15:39.000 Like, no, the people just don't have any power.

02:15:41.000 There's only you.

02:15:42.000 You're the king. 1.00

02:15:44.000 That's a stupid way of looking at it. 1.00

02:15:45.000 And the system gives you that power, and you just happen to have been plugged into that spot. 1.00

02:15:50.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:15:51.000 And the idea that this is the only way to do things, well, that's just because we're the best version.

02:15:56.000 Like, if you want to look at America as far as, like, productivity and innovation, and we're the best version right now currently on this planet.

02:16:03.000 But that doesn't mean this is the best way to do it.

02:16:05.000 And it doesn't mean that if we found a planet somewhere that was filled with human beings that spoke a language that we could all understand, but they just lived forever. 0.97

02:16:14.000 Fucking way more harmonious than us. 0.99

02:16:16.000 They had no garbage. 1.00

02:16:18.000 Everything was completely recycled.

02:16:20.000 There was never any waste.

02:16:21.000 They kept a very strict understanding of their environment and what they were doing to it and how many babies they had and how they treated each other and they never allowed poverty to exist.

02:16:33.000 They never allowed extreme depression or any of these things that we have that we just push aside or throw pills at or fucking put fences up for.

02:16:41.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:16:42.000 We would go, oh my god, we're retarded. 0.85

02:16:44.000 Why didn't we live like this?

02:16:45.000 We could live like this in small, sustainable groups like these tribes that we were talking about.

02:16:50.000 We're talking about the way they would take care of the village and that everybody would take care of each other and they'd live in these harmonious communities.

02:16:57.000 And it's not saying they don't have disputes.

02:16:59.000 It's not saying they don't disagree about things because all people are constantly debating about ideas and they all have their own unique and different perspectives.

02:17:07.000 When we get to this gigantic group, whether it's 300 million in America or 7 billion worldwide, there's this massive diffusion of responsibility for the residual effects of our civilization. 0.98

02:17:19.000 Cigarettes out the window and fucking poop in the ocean or whatever it is. 0.98

02:17:24.000 We somehow or another don't feel responsible for all that, although ultimately it comes from humans. 0.99

02:17:28.000 If we found some group that had figured that out, We found some planet that was filled with people that didn't have anything that we don't have. 0.65

02:17:35.000 They had computers, they had cars, but they had figured all this other shit out.

02:17:39.000 And they just said, well, this is more important than anything else we're doing.

02:17:42.000 Let's engineer this first.

02:17:44.000 Let's figure this out first.

02:17:45.000 We would realize that we're living like apes with phones and guns. 0.92

02:17:50.000 I had this joke, and part of the joke was about if we went to the zoo, or went to the Congo, we found some rare spot in the Congo, and we ran into these chimps, and they had figured out cell phones and rocket launchers, but all they were doing was taking pictures of their dicks and shooting each other in the face. 0.99

02:18:08.000 We'd be like, what the fuck are you guys doing? 0.99

02:18:10.000 But that is us. 0.99

02:18:11.000 That is us.

02:18:12.000 That is what we're doing. 0.99

02:18:13.000 I mean, we're not only taking pictures of our dicks and only shooting each other in the face, but we're doing a lot of it. 0.99

02:18:19.000 There's a lot of dick pics and there's a lot of people getting shot in the face. 0.99

02:18:22.000 And a lot of it is by robots that are flying around the sky killing 90% of the wrong people. 0.99

02:18:28.000 Well, sex and military are the two main drivers of economics, right? 1.00

02:18:33.000 I mean, yeah.

02:18:35.000 E.O. Wilson said—he's a great biologist—he said, humans are—the tragedy of humanity is that we have Stone Age instincts, medieval institutions, and godlike powers, technology.

02:18:49.000 That's a beautiful way of describing it.

02:18:51.000 Yeah.

02:18:52.000 It's a mess.

02:18:54.000 Yeah.

02:18:55.000 I mean, what you described, like, oh, we go to this planet and find these people.

02:18:59.000 That's very similar to the story that is told over and over and over again at first contact between civilized people and Native people.

02:19:10.000 Now, when I say native people, keep in mind, I look at the Aztecs or the Incas, they're civilized, right?

02:19:16.000 It's not European, but they're living in hierarchical, large-scale civilizations, agricultural civilizations.

02:19:23.000 Right, they're native, right?

02:19:25.000 Yeah, they're native. 0.97

02:19:25.000 They might not know about a lot of the things that the Europeans knew about, and they probably confuse the shit out of them. 0.97

02:19:31.000 But they've got kings and slaves and all that shit. 1.00

02:19:33.000 Because a lot of times people would be like, oh man, the fucking Aztecs ripped their hearts. 1.00

02:19:37.000 The Aztecs are the same as the Spaniards. 0.99

02:19:40.000 I'm talking about low-scale hunter-gatherer bands where everybody knows each other, nomadic, right?

02:19:47.000 Indigenous tribal people oftentimes that live in jungles and things where there's a lot of food, a lot of resources, and there's no fight for resource.

02:19:55.000 Right.

02:19:56.000 Yeah, because the population is steady.

02:19:59.000 Harmonious.

02:20:00.000 And it's steady, right?

02:20:02.000 There are all sorts of reasons for that.

02:20:04.000 But that's the story you get again and again.

02:20:06.000 In this book, I quote this Jesuit who lived with the Montagnier Indians in what's now Quebec.

02:20:13.000 And he says, like, you know, they really enjoy life and they're not worried about dying.

02:20:19.000 They're not worried about being hungry because they say the world provides for them.

02:20:23.000 They look around.

02:20:24.000 They're like, yeah, there's food everywhere.

02:20:25.000 And he says, like, I try to talk to them.

02:20:28.000 If they get a beaver, they have a feast.

02:20:31.000 Even if, you know, the guys next door got a beaver and they're having a feast too, and if they get three beavers, they'll have three feasts, and they just eat till everything's gone.

02:20:39.000 And when I say to them, like, why don't you save something for tomorrow?

02:20:42.000 They say, well, we'll catch something tomorrow.

02:20:44.000 And they're like, well, what if you don't?

02:20:45.000 Well, then we'll be hungry.

02:20:46.000 Don't worry.

02:20:47.000 I mean, it's no big deal.

02:20:48.000 There's always enough. 0.94

02:20:49.000 Well, they lived in a different world too, where there wasn't this massive fucking quantity of human beings that are literally pulling everything out of the land. 0.95

02:20:56.000 Yeah, so you need that. 0.75

02:20:57.000 Huge population to support the scarcity mindset.

02:21:03.000 Well, here's one good example of information being distributed and how it's benefiting even the environment here in North America.

02:21:10.000 At the turn of the century, there was a point in time where we had wiped out like a giant majority of the game animals on this planet. 0.94

02:21:20.000 Because just like they did with the buffalo, they just fucking slaughtered the buffalo. 0.90

02:21:24.000 And Buffalo Bill is a national hero. 0.99

02:21:27.000 Ha! 0.89

02:21:28.000 Right?

02:21:29.000 You're talking about Columbus. 0.99

02:21:30.000 Buffalo fucking Bill. 0.99

02:21:31.000 That's what he's famous for. 1.00

02:21:32.000 He shot him and left him there to fucking rot. 0.99

02:21:35.000 Yeah, what'd they do? 1.00

02:21:35.000 They took the hides, right? 1.00

02:21:37.000 That's all they took.

02:21:39.000 And mostly it was just to starve the Indians. 1.00

02:21:42.000 Is that why they did it?

02:21:43.000 Yeah, that's why they did it.

02:21:44.000 Because that's when they were building the railroads across the Great Plains. 1.00

02:21:47.000 And the Indians kept kicking their ass. 1.00

02:21:50.000 And so they're like, well, you know, they're kicking our ass. 1.00

02:21:53.000 Let's starve them out. 1.00

02:21:54.000 Take away their food source. 0.91

02:21:55.000 Yeah.

02:21:55.000 You know what's also interesting?

02:21:56.000 We haven't reintroduced the buffalo.

02:21:59.000 Like, the buffalo is the one animal that if you look at, like, they've reintroduced wolves, all right?

02:22:05.000 And to a great many people's dismay because they're starting to attack livestock.

02:22:09.000 But that livestock, in and of itself, is one of the reasons why they haven't reintroduced buffalo.

02:22:14.000 Right.

02:22:14.000 Because people are scared.

02:22:15.000 Because if they bring buffalo back, buffalo are beautiful, majestic creatures, but say goodbye to all your hay, bitch! 1.00

02:22:22.000 Well, buffaloes use much less water than cows do. 1.00

02:22:25.000 Oh, yeah.

02:22:26.000 They're much better environmentally.

02:22:27.000 Well, they can... 0.99

02:22:28.000 I mean, they're fucking hardy, hardy, hardy animals. 0.99

02:22:30.000 And they can withstand really cold. 0.99

02:22:31.000 Oh, yeah.

02:22:32.000 Well, they have blankets.

02:22:33.000 They're built-in blankets.

02:22:35.000 But they eat a lot.

02:22:37.000 Have you seen one, like, in live?

02:22:39.000 Only in, like, a fenced-in area.

02:22:42.000 I've never seen...

02:22:43.000 Because they're kind of like...

02:22:43.000 It's like a moose.

02:22:44.000 It's like, ow, that's so big.

02:22:46.000 Yeah.

02:22:46.000 Or bigger, even.

02:22:47.000 But not only that, they look, like, prehistoric.

02:22:50.000 They're all woolly and furry and...

02:22:52.000 There's a crazy thing called a muskox. 1.00

02:22:54.000 Yeah, sure, in Tibet.

02:22:55.000 Well, they have them in Antarctic, I believe it is.

02:23:00.000 And they also have them in Greenland.

02:23:02.000 And people go to Greenland, they hunt these things.

02:23:04.000 And they apparently taste delicious, like ribeyes.

02:23:07.000 Like they're marbled because they're so fat.

02:23:09.000 They've got the long hair, right?

02:23:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:23:11.000 But they look like...

02:23:12.000 Like Star Wars creatures.

02:23:14.000 They don't even look like a real animal.

02:23:16.000 Like this big furry thing with horns and it's running around in the frozen snow. 0.99

02:23:21.000 You're like, what the fuck is that? 0.95

02:23:22.000 But these animals can survive in places where we couldn't imagine surviving. 0.99

02:23:28.000 And they thrive out there in this frozen tundra.

02:23:32.000 These big gigantic 2,000 pound beasts covered in fur.

02:23:38.000 God, it's amazing.

02:23:39.000 But my point was that Right.

02:23:47.000 Right.

02:24:00.000 Which is nuts.

02:24:01.000 And it's because of intervention.

02:24:02.000 It's because of management.

02:24:04.000 It's because these fish and game groups have recognized the problems and have regulated the amount of hunting that people can do, but also worked really hard to protect habitat.

02:24:24.000 We're good to go.

02:24:39.000 Either the same day or the same week.

02:24:42.000 Whoa.

02:24:42.000 Yeah, he had a really bad week.

02:24:45.000 It might have been the same day, but he was back in New York. 1.00

02:24:48.000 I think he was a governor or a senator, and his fucking life fell apart. 0.99

02:24:53.000 And he's from this really wealthy family, right? 0.99

02:24:56.000 Obviously, the Roosevelt's, they were already a very wealthy family. 0.97

02:24:59.000 And as a way, you know, a little bit like Wim Hof, as a way of dealing with his grief, he was like, fuck it, I'm out of here. 0.93

02:25:08.000 He quit and he went out to like Montana, I think. 0.98

02:25:11.000 Yeah.

02:25:33.000 We're good to go.

02:25:51.000 Who is John Muir again?

02:25:53.000 A great naturalist who wrote about Yosemite and convinced Roosevelt to make Yosemite a national park.

02:26:01.000 Maybe the first national park.

02:26:03.000 Isn't it ironic that that's probably what's going to kill every single person on this entire continent when Yosemite blows?

02:26:10.000 Oh, you're thinking Yellowstone.

02:26:11.000 Yellowstone, yeah.

02:26:12.000 I always confuse those two for whatever reason.

02:26:14.000 It's easy.

02:26:14.000 Yellow.

02:26:14.000 The Y. That's fucking goddamn terrifying to me.

02:26:19.000 Yeah, that's a big one. 1.00

02:26:20.000 That's pretty cool. 1.00

02:26:22.000 But I love that shit. 1.00

02:26:24.000 Did you see that storm yesterday? 1.00

02:26:26.000 Oh yeah, it was beautiful. 1.00

02:26:27.000 Yeah, I like when nature just says, Fuck you! 1.00

02:26:32.000 You know? 1.00

02:26:32.000 Well, that was barely a fuck you. 1.00

02:26:34.000 That was like a... 0.99

02:26:34.000 No, but for LA, that was weather. 0.99

02:26:36.000 LA, it was like...

02:26:37.000 I was sitting up in the Soho house.

02:26:41.000 You've been up there in Hollywood?

02:26:43.000 No, I never have.

02:26:43.000 It's pretty cool.

02:26:44.000 It's the top floor, and it's up on the hill anyway, so you can see all the way to the ocean.

02:26:48.000 That's like where all the rich people, they become members of this place, and it's like a status symbol spot.

02:26:54.000 Yeah.

02:26:55.000 Why'd you get in there?

02:26:56.000 Because I have rich status symbol friends.

02:26:59.000 Yeah.

02:27:00.000 What is it like in there?

02:27:01.000 It's cool.

02:27:02.000 It's nice.

02:27:02.000 There are no cameras allowed.

02:27:04.000 What happens if you pull out your phone?

02:27:06.000 Well, that's what happened yesterday when that storm system came in.

02:27:09.000 I'll show you a picture when we finish, but it was so beautiful because it was really late and the sun was right on the horizon and these Crazy clouds came in really quickly, and then it was raining, and there were rainbows, and when the rays of the sun come down,

02:27:26.000 Jacob's Ladder, I think it's called.

02:27:30.000 So everybody was like, pictures!

02:27:31.000 And all the waiters were like, no photos, no photos! 1.00

02:27:34.000 And everyone was like, fuck you! 1.00

02:27:35.000 We're doing it! 1.00

02:27:36.000 Oh my God, a rebellion!

02:27:37.000 It was a Soho rebellion, yeah.

02:27:38.000 Ooh.

02:27:39.000 What is that, for celebrities?

02:27:41.000 Is that what they do it?

02:27:42.000 Right, because they don't want people surreptitiously like, look, Joe Rogan's talking to someone like that.

02:27:46.000 But it's so hard when you have a phone with a camera and everyone has a phone.

02:27:51.000 Everyone's phone has a camera.

02:27:52.000 You're not supposed to pull out the phone in the place.

02:27:55.000 You can go out on the terrace where you can smoke and whatever and talk and text or whatever.

02:28:00.000 So they ask you when you go there, please do not use your phone while you're eating?

02:28:04.000 Can you text while you're eating?

02:28:06.000 I don't think you're supposed to have your phone out of your pocket inside.

02:28:09.000 But everybody's got a computer.

02:28:12.000 They have a computer?

02:28:13.000 Yeah, everybody's working.

02:28:14.000 Because it's a place where you can go and work All day in their tables.

02:28:18.000 It's like a lounge, yeah.

02:28:19.000 Really?

02:28:20.000 Yeah, you can get some food, have a coffee, but you can sit there all day.

02:28:22.000 Is it like a restaurant as well?

02:28:24.000 Yeah, in the back there's a restaurant area, but the main thing, like there's a pool table.

02:28:31.000 What?

02:28:32.000 Yeah.

02:28:32.000 Really?

02:28:32.000 It's like a cool place to hang out.

02:28:35.000 But where all the, like, she-she people hang out. 1.00

02:28:37.000 Well, honestly, I mean, I've probably been there five or ten times, and, you know, I can't remember seeing anyone that I recognized as being famous.

02:28:46.000 Just wealthy folks.

02:28:47.000 I think it's people in the entertainment business.

02:28:50.000 So there are a lot of, you know, producers and screenwriters and, you know, and some actors will go in there, whatever.

02:28:57.000 But I think the idea, it's not like...

02:29:01.000 My impression, anyway, is that it's not about going and being seen. 0.98

02:29:05.000 It's about going and not having to deal with the shit, but still being in public. 0.98

02:29:10.000 So you can be in public, people will be cool, they respect your privacy, you can hang out and work, you can have meetings there, you can do your business there, whatever. 0.99

02:29:19.000 And also it's a network.

02:29:20.000 There's one in New York, there's one in London.

02:29:22.000 Yeah, I've heard of them before, but I've always thought that they were just like hobnobbing celebrity spots.

02:29:28.000 Well, since you know me, Joe, I could probably talk to someone and get you in.

02:29:31.000 I don't want to go.

02:29:34.000 I'm a member of the Comedy Store.

02:29:36.000 That's the only club I want to go to.

02:29:37.000 That's good enough.

02:29:37.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:29:38.000 There's just a weird thing about being in that sort of a circle of like privileged folks that I try to avoid as much as possible.

02:29:46.000 There's a lot of people enjoy that a little too much and it becomes like something that they, it just becomes something a little too precious to them.

02:29:55.000 Yeah, I don't get that vibe there, but maybe I'm just not paying attention.

02:29:59.000 Well, I'm only getting it third-hand through people that know people that go there that want to become a part of it, and they talk about it.

02:30:04.000 I'm like, what is this?

02:30:05.000 What?

02:30:06.000 And then I realize, I can't be in this conversation.

02:30:08.000 I've got to get out of here.

02:30:09.000 I feel that way about Americans, actually.

02:30:11.000 When I'm in Spain and I hear American accents, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to go down here. 1.00

02:30:16.000 Nothing against Americans, but I don't know if I'm resonating with what you're talking about, but it's like, I know that world too well.

02:30:26.000 I'm not here to be in that world.

02:30:28.000 I want to be in another world.

02:30:30.000 I also think that there's a certain amount of reaching for things that some folks will do when they achieve a level of financial success.

02:30:43.000 And they still feel like empty.

02:30:46.000 So they want some sort of exclusivity.

02:30:48.000 So they like to go to the Admiral's Lounge.

02:30:51.000 You know what I mean?

02:30:52.000 At the airport.

02:30:54.000 Get the hat.

02:30:56.000 I don't think they give you hats.

02:30:57.000 But you know what I mean?

02:30:58.000 Sure, sure.

02:30:59.000 There's like exclusive things that make them feel special.

02:31:03.000 It's a VIP lounge.

02:31:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:31:06.000 I want to get a bottle service behind the velvet rope.

02:31:09.000 Ooh. 0.99

02:31:10.000 Well, that's when you know you're a sucker for it. 0.99

02:31:14.000 That's when you're hooked. 0.96

02:31:16.000 People love that velvet rope.

02:31:17.000 It's right there.

02:31:18.000 I can't even get through it.

02:31:19.000 Look at it.

02:31:19.000 It's a barrier.

02:31:20.000 It's like a force field.

02:31:20.000 I'll tell you what.

02:31:21.000 The guy I was with, he's a really good friend of mine.

02:31:24.000 He's a wonderful guy.

02:31:26.000 Grew up in Hollywood.

02:31:27.000 He's...

02:31:28.000 Right now he's homeless.

02:31:30.000 He's given up his apartment because he's doing this movie about dolphins.

02:31:33.000 So he's down in Florida a lot of times and then he's in Mexico and he's doing all this stuff. 1.00

02:31:38.000 And I hope I haven't said enough to give him away, but he's like, he's essentially, I was giving him shit, he's a pussy vagabond. 1.00

02:31:46.000 He's like sleeping with different women every night. 1.00

02:31:49.000 To stay in their houses?

02:31:49.000 Yeah.

02:31:50.000 Oh, that's gross.

02:31:51.000 No, they're all friends, and they all know about each other, so he's not lying to anyone.

02:31:56.000 But he's like, yeah, when I'm in LA, I don't really need an apartment.

02:31:59.000 I can stay in a hotel if I want to, but usually I'm sleeping with one of my friends, and then I go to the Soho house, and that's where I work.

02:32:07.000 It's like, alright, that's a pretty good system, you know?

02:32:09.000 And then he has his computer, he works there, and then he's off to Miami to do some more filming.

02:32:13.000 I have a buddy who's a wealthy real estate guy, and his house is basically a hostel for really hot, semi, like...

02:32:23.000 Semi-homeless girls like a Charles Manson without killing no no no because like it's always like some new one that is Living with them and they almost always have like a little dog and they're like they just get kicked out of their apartment No, you could stay with me and they want I'm staying with him And it's like this battle yesterday. 0.99

02:32:39.000 He's an older guy. 1.00

02:32:40.000 He looks like shit. 1.00

02:32:40.000 It's hard for him to fuck them Occasionally he does get to fuck them, but sometimes I'm like dude. 1.00

02:32:46.000 You got to get away from her. 1.00

02:32:47.000 What are you doing? 1.00

02:32:48.000 She's fucking But that's what he does. 1.00

02:32:52.000 He has one after another of these semi-homeless girls that don't have any place to go and they wind up staying with him and they're usually really hot. 1.00

02:33:00.000 And that's their currency.

02:33:01.000 Their currency is that they're pretty.

02:33:04.000 Symbiotic in a sad sort of way.

02:33:06.000 Yeah.

02:33:07.000 It's weird.

02:33:07.000 Have you ever seen a video about Father Yod?

02:33:09.000 Father Yod.

02:33:10.000 Do we talk about that?

02:33:11.000 It's called The Source Family.

02:33:16.000 He was this dude.

02:33:17.000 Oh, you should watch that.

02:33:18.000 That's a really interesting...

02:33:19.000 It's a documentary?

02:33:21.000 Yeah, it's a documentary.

02:33:22.000 I think it's called The Source Family.

02:33:24.000 And so Father Yod was this dude who started the first vegetarian restaurant in America, and it was in Hollywood.

02:33:32.000 And it became like a place where Goldie Hawn or some, you know, I don't know, people in the 60s were going...

02:33:38.000 And it'd be, you know, Dennis Hopper and that kind of scene, right?

02:33:42.000 And then it became a cult and he ended up like basically marrying like 30 women or something.

02:33:49.000 But he was this big charismatic dude.

02:33:52.000 He was like Charles Manson without the nastiness, right?

02:33:55.000 Check out the movie.

02:33:56.000 It'll blow your mind.

02:33:57.000 I won't tell you any more because it takes turns that you don't see coming.

02:34:02.000 And it tells you a lot about what L.A. was like in the 60s and 70s.

02:34:05.000 Well, L.A. was like, I mean, the whole country was thrown on its head in the 60s. 0.97

02:34:09.000 No one knew what the fuck to expect. 0.96

02:34:11.000 As soon as that acid and marijuana got into the system, post-Vietnam, or actually during Vietnam, the whole system went wacky. 0.95

02:34:21.000 Yeah, and he was, I mean, you'll relate to him in some ways, because he was, like, physically, he was a really serious dude. 0.93

02:34:27.000 Like, he was a Green Beret, I think, and he had killed a couple of people, and then he, like, spun out into drug addiction or alcohol or something, and then he got his shit together. 0.98

02:34:38.000 But he was just so fucking charismatic that, like, people just gathered around him all the time. 0.99

02:34:44.000 But... 0.93

02:34:46.000 If you watch it, we'll talk further.

02:34:48.000 I don't want to say anything else, because it's really interesting.

02:34:51.000 Is it on Netflix?

02:34:52.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:34:54.000 Apple?

02:34:54.000 Yeah, it's somewhere out there.

02:34:55.000 iTunes.

02:34:56.000 The Source family.

02:34:57.000 The Source family.

02:34:57.000 And also, that Werner Herzog thing, Encounters at the End of the World.

02:35:00.000 Okay, I'm going to write that down.

02:35:01.000 I don't mean to be giving you homework, John.

02:35:03.000 No, I like homework.

02:35:05.000 You like Herzog.

02:35:06.000 This same pad has Sierra Lynch on it from the last time you were here.

02:35:12.000 Like, my writing is not...

02:35:14.000 Yeah, right here.

02:35:14.000 Sierra Lynch.

02:35:15.000 Is this your, like, when Chris Ryan's here?

02:35:18.000 No, I mean, I guess I haven't been writing that many notes.

02:35:21.000 I mean, there's other notes that aren't from here.

02:35:22.000 Oh, I'm honored, man.

02:35:24.000 You're taking some notes.

02:35:25.000 What is it at the end of the world?

02:35:26.000 What is it again?

02:35:27.000 Encounters.

02:35:27.000 Yeah.

02:35:28.000 Werner Herzog.

02:35:29.000 Did you see the one about the cave art?

02:35:32.000 Yeah, sure.

02:35:33.000 In 3D. You know, I've been to Lascaux in the real cave.

02:35:38.000 Oh, really?

02:35:39.000 Yeah.

02:35:39.000 They let people go in there?

02:35:40.000 Only with an official invitation from the French government.

02:35:44.000 Yeah, because the people affect it with their breathing.

02:35:48.000 The vapor, yeah.

02:35:49.000 Yeah, that was a crazy day, man.

02:35:51.000 That was a while ago. 0.97

02:35:53.000 What is it like looking at those things in person and knowing that someone 40,000 years ago or whatever the fuck it was. 0.53

02:35:59.000 Yeah, it's 25 in Lascaux, but some of them are 40. But they're riding on this wall that long ago. 0.90

02:36:05.000 Well, it's like a bull, right?

02:36:07.000 It's like a bison, and it's like as big as that wall behind you. 0.97

02:36:12.000 It's like three or four meters long, and maybe two or three meters high, and it's red ochre.

02:36:17.000 Wow.

02:36:18.000 It's just extraordinary, because as Herzog shows in that movie, they use the contour of the rock to accentuate the contours of the body of the animal.

02:36:27.000 So there's a bulge in the rock, and that's in the shoulder of the bison, and it's But I'll tell you that, I mean, Lesko, it's a real honor to be invited.

02:36:37.000 It was only because I was with Stanley Krippner.

02:36:39.000 And Stanley got us invited.

02:36:41.000 His assistant.

02:36:42.000 How's he doing?

02:36:43.000 He's all right.

02:36:44.000 He's in China right now.

02:36:45.000 What is he doing in China?

02:36:46.000 The dude's unstoppable.

02:36:47.000 They invite him every year to go to China and speak about shamanism, I think.

02:36:53.000 Wow.

02:36:53.000 He was an interesting guy.

02:36:54.000 I was really fascinated when you brought him in here.

02:36:56.000 Yeah.

02:36:56.000 He's really fascinated by listening to his words.

02:36:59.000 I'm really glad you did that, too, because he's 85 or something.

02:37:03.000 He's not going to be around forever, but he's really underappreciated because he's published 25 books and 700 scientific papers, but he never sought Media or anything.

02:37:17.000 But he was on the Johnny Carson show a few times.

02:37:19.000 Was he really?

02:37:19.000 About what?

02:37:20.000 Well, he was like the go-to guy in the late 60s, early 70s when you were talking about psychics.

02:37:29.000 So he would go on with the amazing Kreskin.

02:37:32.000 Do you remember the amazing Kreskin, the spoon bending and all that?

02:37:35.000 So they would have Dr. Kripner on to sort of...

02:37:39.000 You know, monitor the experiment and, you know, try to catch Kreskin and, like, his trickery and all this stuff.

02:37:46.000 So, yeah, I joke with Stanley that his Rolodex has, like, three people under the amazing.

02:37:53.000 The amazing Randy, the amazing Kreskin, and some other amazing.

02:37:56.000 I don't remember. 0.96

02:37:57.000 Amazing Randy is a fascinating cat, too, because he sort of set out to try to disprove as much of that shit as possible, even though that's how he started out. 0.96

02:38:06.000 Well, he's a magician, as Stanley is. 0.92

02:38:09.000 So magicians are really skeptical because they make a living tricking people, so they know how easy it is to do.

02:38:16.000 When I did that sci-fi show, we had this guy on.

02:38:19.000 His name is Banachek. 1.00

02:38:20.000 And he's fucking amazing at that shit. 1.00

02:38:23.000 Amazing. 1.00

02:38:23.000 I mean, he did a spoon-bending thing right in front of my eye. 1.00

02:38:26.000 I couldn't figure out what the hell he was doing.

02:38:28.000 But he's super adamant about what...

02:38:31.000 He goes, what I'm doing is just tricks.

02:38:34.000 Right.

02:38:34.000 These are tricks.

02:38:34.000 I don't have any powers.

02:38:36.000 I can't tell you how I'm doing it because this is my thing.

02:38:39.000 Right.

02:38:39.000 And I'm, you know, making a living doing this.

02:38:42.000 But I'll tell you right now, it's bullshit. 1.00

02:38:43.000 I'm really good at this bullshit, but it's bullshit. 1.00

02:38:46.000 But, I mean, he was amazing. 0.99

02:38:48.000 And when he would pull information out of people about their childhood and guess things and explain where they came from, and it was just, like, mind-blowing. 0.99

02:38:57.000 And I'm like, how the fuck are you doing this? 0.98

02:38:59.000 He wouldn't say. 0.98

02:39:00.000 But he would say, I'm not telling you how I'm doing this, but I'm telling you right now, I'm not psychic.

02:39:04.000 This is all fakery. 1.00

02:39:05.000 It's all bullshit. 1.00

02:39:07.000 But he would get... 1.00

02:39:09.000 Furious when he would like the Long Island medium or one of those shows where they had people and they would tell them about their dead relatives. 0.83

02:39:16.000 He's like, these are crooks. 1.00

02:39:18.000 These people are shit. 1.00

02:39:21.000 They're ruining people. 1.00

02:39:22.000 They're stealing money from people with their trickery.

02:39:25.000 From people who are grieving and vulnerable.

02:39:27.000 Come on, how low can you get? 0.99

02:39:29.000 That's the saddest shit about people that go after folks that are hurting, you know, like with their loss. 0.99

02:39:36.000 And then they say, he's talking to you from behind the grave. 0.99

02:39:39.000 I feel like he's reaching out to you and he's happy with where you are.

02:39:43.000 And he just wants you to, there's something that you're about to do.

02:39:46.000 Is there something you're thinking about doing?

02:39:48.000 Well, there's this business project.

02:39:49.000 Yes, that's it.

02:39:51.000 That's it. 1.00

02:39:51.000 Fucking monsters. 1.00

02:39:54.000 Okay, then extrapolate from that to the American medical system, where 30% of all Medicaid is spent in the last month of people's lives. 1.00

02:40:03.000 Is that really the amount?

02:40:04.000 I think so.

02:40:04.000 Meanwhile, mushrooms.

02:40:06.000 They could grow mushrooms.

02:40:07.000 Give them that a fraction.

02:40:08.000 What is that?

02:40:09.000 What is it when you're doing a hip replacement on a 90-year-old blind lady? 1.00

02:40:15.000 No, there's this experimental treatment we can try on grandma. 0.86

02:40:20.000 All her hair is going to fall out and she won't be able to see, but we'll get $40,000 from your insurance company.

02:40:27.000 It's the same thing. 1.00

02:40:29.000 It's so fucking ugly. 0.99

02:40:30.000 In that sense, and the dying people, there's a lack of accepting of the futility of the body failing. 0.99

02:40:39.000 But didn't they just pass assisted suicide in California?

02:40:42.000 Yeah, Jerry Brown just signed it.

02:40:45.000 I think that's important too.

02:40:46.000 Because I think we put our dogs down when our dogs are sick and in suffering.

02:40:50.000 We know that they're 15 years old and there's no positive ending to this.

02:40:55.000 But we don't do it with people.

02:40:57.000 We make people naturally rot away. 0.98

02:40:59.000 And I know there's a potential for fuckery. 1.00

02:41:02.000 And for people that want inheritance money, and you talk your elderly dad who's got Alzheimer's into signing over some will just before you fucking off him. 0.99

02:41:12.000 There's a lot of that. 0.93

02:41:13.000 That's real.

02:41:13.000 It's 100%.

02:41:14.000 I know a guy who found out that his own brother had talked his mom into signing a fucking new will, and he had to fight him in court over it while his mom's sick. 0.97

02:41:24.000 His mom is like, she's got some sort of a neurological disorder, and she's completely out of it. 0.98

02:41:29.000 And he did this while...

02:41:31.000 His mom was sick.

02:41:32.000 He was taking care of his mom and he had to hurt.

02:41:34.000 There's horrible, horrible people out there that do do things like that.

02:41:38.000 And they could do something like that and then put someone down. 0.81

02:41:42.000 On the other hand, like, why would you want someone to just suffer in fucking complete and total agony for the remaining five months, six months of their life so that you can rest easy in the fact that they went out with God? 0.90

02:41:55.000 They went out naturally under God's way. 0.95

02:41:57.000 Or they went out fighting.

02:41:58.000 Yeah.

02:41:58.000 You know?

02:41:59.000 Oh, after a long fight with...

02:42:00.000 Like, why is fighting so admirable?

02:42:04.000 Yeah.

02:42:04.000 What happened to, like, gracefully accepting the fact that we're all mortals?

02:42:08.000 Especially, it's not like, well, Grandpa fought it and then he lived forever.

02:42:13.000 He won!

02:42:14.000 He won!

02:42:15.000 He went back in time.

02:42:16.000 Now he's 20. You know, Grandpa is getting younger every year.

02:42:20.000 It's so strange.

02:42:21.000 He just started competing in gymnastics.

02:42:23.000 That's amazing.

02:42:24.000 He's going to stop shaving soon.

02:42:26.000 What about...

02:42:28.000 What about hermetically sealed stainless steel caskets?

02:42:32.000 Oh, yeah.

02:42:32.000 That's bizarre.

02:42:33.000 What's up with that?

02:42:34.000 Yeah.

02:42:34.000 Like, what exactly is it that you're sealing out or in?

02:42:37.000 I'm not sure which way the seals...

02:42:39.000 I want to preserve him from nature.

02:42:42.000 Wouldn't you want...

02:42:42.000 I mean, like, this whole ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

02:42:45.000 Don't you want...

02:42:46.000 Don't you want them to be absorbed by the earth, the skin vessel, to be useful? 1.00

02:42:52.000 And maybe a tree will grow underneath them or above them?

02:42:55.000 Well, see, that's what I'm saying about American culture.

02:42:57.000 DABDA, right?

02:42:58.000 Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.

02:43:02.000 Do you think that's changing?

02:43:03.000 I think the culture's stuck.

02:43:04.000 But do you think that's changing?

02:43:05.000 I do.

02:43:05.000 And I think largely because it's conversations like this.

02:43:08.000 Yeah.

02:43:08.000 You know?

02:43:09.000 I think largely because of people being able to communicate with each other and express how futile that is and ridiculous that is. 0.98

02:43:16.000 Because that's the kind of thing, if your parent or grandparent or husband or wife is facing this kind of thing, and you're thinking, fuck, I could put the dog down, I can't help my wife die in peace, you're not going to say that to anyone. 0.97

02:43:32.000 You get arrested. 0.99

02:43:33.000 You'll get ostracized.

02:43:35.000 But we can say it publicly. 1.00

02:43:36.000 You know, some people somewhere say, fuck it. 1.00

02:43:39.000 This is the truth. 1.00

02:43:40.000 Like in the book, I quote from doctors.

02:43:43.000 And you look at what choices doctors make for themselves when they're dying versus what they recommend to their patients.

02:43:52.000 It's completely different.

02:43:54.000 Yeah.

02:43:54.000 The graph is crazy because they know CPR rarely does anything.

02:44:00.000 When you're 80 years old and you have a heart attack, CPR might keep you pumping along for another couple of weeks, but you'll have brain damage, broken ribs, and excruciating pain.

02:44:11.000 CPR works great in movies.

02:44:13.000 And actually, I quote those stats.

02:44:15.000 On TV, the number of people who go home and lead a healthy life after receiving CPR is like 95%, and in reality, it's like 6%.

02:44:24.000 Yeah, so it's a funny...

02:44:27.000 But getting back to the people you're saying who sign this and then off them, whatever.

02:44:33.000 The question I have is like, are we making... 1.00

02:44:37.000 There are creeps who will do that shit, right? 1.00

02:44:39.000 There are situations that are really ugly. 0.99

02:44:41.000 But by our refusal to openly talk about this stuff and make these things available, are we empowering them?

02:44:49.000 Or not.

02:44:50.000 Because the assumption is that they would have more power, but I think if you have an open adult conversation about these things and a government that acknowledges that sometimes the right thing to do is to help someone die without pain and the hospice gets funded a lot and all that,

02:45:05.000 I think that...

02:45:07.000 It disenables those people.

02:45:08.000 It disempowers them. 0.97

02:45:10.000 Because then grandma, when she's still got her shit together, is going to be more open about talking about it. 0.97

02:45:14.000 There's going to be more advanced directives signed. 0.98

02:45:17.000 People are going to be...

02:45:18.000 You know, it's like sex, where the abstinence-only programs, those are the states where the most STDs are.

02:45:25.000 Most pregnancies, teen pregnancies, right?

02:45:27.000 So you refuse to talk about it, you just make it worse.

02:45:30.000 Yeah, it only makes sense in that sense.

02:45:34.000 That's a double.

02:45:35.000 But I think that what's going on now that has never existed before is that our culture is not just being shaped by whatever media is projected.

02:45:44.000 For the longest time...

02:45:45.000 Our culture was shaped by the people that surrounded us, you know, and that's why leaders were so important, right?

02:45:51.000 And then tribal cultures, tribal elders, and shamans, and the people that had lived a long life and had learned, and you could listen to them, and they could explain these experiences that they've gone through and perhaps you're going to go through.

02:46:01.000 Rites of passages were also very important for that same reason.

02:46:04.000 Like, you're going to go through something, you're going to experience something, and then you'll have a greater understanding of the world because of that.

02:46:09.000 And for the longest time in our most recent history, you know, it's the longest time for us pretty recent, the last few hundred years, it was either books that gave us a depiction of the world and we kind of learned from that and said, well, this is obviously how the world goes.

02:46:26.000 Or then it became motion pictures and television and Father Knows Best and, you know, all these different shows that sort of gave us this idea or ideal of what life is all about.

02:46:37.000 And that's where we've formed our vision or our version of reality.

02:46:42.000 But now it's different.

02:46:44.000 Like now our version of reality is being formed.

02:46:47.000 By conversations, our version of reality is being formed by people communicating with each other.

02:46:53.000 It's just a completely different sort of experience because now you're seeing a broader, wider Sort of conversation going on with whether or not this like it just even Movements that are extreme like like whether it's PETA or whether it's animal rights organizations or gay rights organizations or trans rights or whether it's like these Black Lives Matter these are there's all these different groups that

02:47:23.000 have like way broader reach with activism that it was never possible before and If you didn't have a guy like Martin Luther King, a charismatic leader that could speak up and give speeches, I have a dream!

02:47:36.000 If you didn't have that guy, who the fuck else do you have? 0.80

02:47:38.000 There's so few voices. 0.96

02:47:41.000 But now, anyone with a concept or an idea that resonates with other people, you can make a tweet, and that tweet can go viral.

02:47:48.000 And that viral tweet can shape the way people look at a certain subject. 0.96

02:47:52.000 You could write a Facebook blog or a Tumblr blog or make a short YouTube video and people could watch that video and see your perspective and go, God damn it, he's right.

02:48:01.000 Chris Ryan made a great point there.

02:48:03.000 And then they exchange it and they spread it.

02:48:05.000 Send him money. 1.00

02:48:06.000 Send that motherfucker some cash. 1.00

02:48:07.000 PayPal that dude some cash. 1.00

02:48:10.000 But the unique...

02:48:12.000 Time where we can all aid in shaping our culture.

02:48:17.000 We can all aid in shaping our view of the world that we live in.

02:48:20.000 That just wasn't available before.

02:48:22.000 It just wasn't available.

02:48:24.000 What are you going to do?

02:48:24.000 Mimeograph a million pamphlets and pass them out?

02:48:27.000 Yeah.

02:48:27.000 At best...

02:48:28.000 You could become one of those people that shapes it for everybody else.

02:48:31.000 In your circle.

02:48:33.000 Even if you make a movie.

02:48:35.000 Or if you write a book.

02:48:37.000 But even then, the movie is going to be censored by the money. 0.99

02:48:42.000 Now you can make an independent movie with $20,000 in your fucking iPhone. 1.00

02:48:46.000 It's crazy. 1.00

02:48:48.000 And then you can do it through a GoFundMe or a Kickstarter or some shit. 0.93

02:48:51.000 You don't need anybody's help.

02:48:53.000 We live in a weird, weird time.

02:48:56.000 It's amazing, but I feel like we don't appreciate it or can't recognize how insanely transformative it is because we're a part of it.

02:49:04.000 I think like one day in the future, they'll look back at the 21st century and they'll look back particularly at the time from, you know, the year 2000, I think.

02:49:13.000 Maybe even 2001. Maybe September 11th would be like a tipping point because of all the chaos that went along with that.

02:49:20.000 And they'll look at the amount of change that's taken place in the last 14 years since September 11th. 0.99

02:49:24.000 And they go, this fucking... 0.98

02:49:26.000 What a whirlwind of change and ideas and transformation. 0.99

02:49:33.000 And in the middle of it, we're just in the middle of it with our iPhones and YouTube and Periscope and all this crazy shit that's going on. 0.86

02:49:41.000 And we're not even realizing how bizarre it is.

02:49:43.000 Well, I mean, I don't know if you're younger than me, but I remember in 1992, I lived in San Francisco and I had a computer, a Compaq.

02:49:54.000 And the internet was starting.

02:49:56.000 And I was in graduate school, and I had come from Spain to do graduate school in San Francisco.

02:50:02.000 The internet was starting, and this graduate school didn't want to incorporate the internet. 0.98

02:50:08.000 They were like, nah, that's bullshit. 0.95

02:50:11.000 And I was like, if you guys would use this, I could go back to Spain. 1.00

02:50:15.000 That was my idea.

02:50:17.000 This is going to be big, this internet thing.

02:50:20.000 So you thought that even then that it would be like a global thing?

02:50:24.000 Well, I thought...

02:50:25.000 I mean, I was thinking of it in terms of my own life, right?

02:50:27.000 Because I wanted to be back in Spain.

02:50:29.000 I was living with a Spanish woman.

02:50:31.000 She missed her family.

02:50:32.000 And we were like, I want to get an American degree, but I really like living in Spain, and she wants to get...

02:50:38.000 And I was like, if I could submit papers this way, and the...

02:50:44.000 Professors could answer through the internet and we could do this whole thing and I could be in Spain.

02:50:50.000 Right.

02:50:51.000 And I remember getting really frustrated that they were just like, nah, this isn't going to happen.

02:50:55.000 That shows the difference between you and me.

02:50:57.000 With me, when I first got on the internet, it was 1994, all I did was download UFO reports.

02:51:04.000 See, porn.

02:51:04.000 I was looking for porn.

02:51:06.000 I was looking for porn too, but it was frustrating because it was like click, click.

02:51:09.000 Click, click, click. 0.98

02:51:11.000 Like, oh, there's a nice top of her breast, you know? 0.98

02:51:13.000 And I was single and living by myself, so I just would go to the DVD store and just fucking brush those beads aside like a gangster and just either buy them or rent them. 0.97

02:51:25.000 Remember those? 0.86

02:51:25.000 The beads, yeah. 0.86

02:51:26.000 Or saloon doors?

02:51:26.000 In the adult-only room, yeah.

02:51:28.000 Sometimes they had saloon doors.

02:51:30.000 Like, I'm here!

02:51:31.000 You'd push the doors apart and go into that, and everybody would feel so guilty in the porn section.

02:51:36.000 Do you ever see a porn movie in a theater?

02:51:39.000 With like a bunch of old men in raincoats? 1.00

02:51:41.000 No, no, no.

02:51:41.000 I took my girlfriend in high school.

02:51:43.000 Raincoats?

02:51:43.000 Well, you know.

02:51:44.000 Are they really?

02:51:45.000 Cliche.

02:51:45.000 That's the joke.

02:51:46.000 Well, boots, waiters. 0.79

02:51:47.000 I had this super hot Cuban girlfriend in my last year of high school, and we went to a dirty movie. 1.00

02:51:55.000 I think it was Debbie Does Dallas. 0.82

02:51:56.000 Oh.

02:51:57.000 That's how old I am.

02:51:59.000 And yeah, I remember taking her in and I remember just like, it was like, you know, like taking a chunk of seal meat into a shark tank, you know, it's just like, all the dudes are just like, yeah, a real one, a live one.

02:52:12.000 There it is.

02:52:14.000 Our goal, our destiny.

02:52:16.000 Oh, man.

02:52:16.000 Right there.

02:52:17.000 Did you ever see that when Deep Throat came out, it was essentially viewed as a cinematic film?

02:52:24.000 Yeah.

02:52:24.000 Like, porn wasn't really a thing.

02:52:26.000 There was stag films, which were just like these weird clips on 16mm.

02:52:32.000 Yeah.

02:52:32.000 Jack Nicholson standing in line in Times Square.

02:52:35.000 Johnny Carson.

02:52:36.000 Yeah.

02:52:36.000 There's a famous photo of Johnny Carson and all those people dressed up really nice, and they're waiting in line to go see Deep Throat.

02:52:44.000 Have you seen the documentary, Inside Deep Throat?

02:52:46.000 No.

02:52:47.000 Yeah, well.

02:52:48.000 Another one?

02:52:48.000 No.

02:52:49.000 Thanks.

02:52:50.000 A lot of homework.

02:52:51.000 Yeah, I'm expecting a report Monday morning, by the way.

02:52:55.000 This is not the one with Lindsay Lohan, right?

02:52:57.000 No.

02:52:57.000 Inside Deep Throat.

02:52:58.000 It's a documentary about exactly what you're saying, about the cultural moment that Deep Throat presented and how...

02:53:06.000 Yeah.

02:53:07.000 Doesn't Lindsay Lohan play that girl in a movie that very few people watched?

02:53:13.000 Linda Lovelace.

02:53:15.000 Yes.

02:53:16.000 Poor Linda Lovelace. 1.00

02:53:18.000 Because she then became a tool of the feminist movement. 1.00

02:53:21.000 She did?

02:53:22.000 Yeah.

02:53:23.000 And then she claimed that she had been raped and that the whole thing, she didn't enjoy any of it.

02:53:28.000 And then at the end of her life, I think she was diagnosed with cancer. 1.00

02:53:32.000 And at the end of her life, she was like, no, that was bullshit. 0.99

02:53:35.000 You know, these people convinced me to say that. 0.99

02:53:37.000 But really, I was just having fun. 1.00

02:53:40.000 Sucking a lot of dicks. 1.00

02:53:41.000 No big deal. 1.00

02:53:42.000 Yeah.

02:53:44.000 Well, you know, oftentimes people do become tools of...

02:53:49.000 Groups that have these ideological principles that you may or may not go with.

02:53:53.000 The idea of the feminist movement, the real problem that a lot of people have is that There's some women that are involved in that that really don't like men, and they're opposed to men.

02:54:04.000 There was one woman who was a part of, I think it's called Google Ideas or something like that, but she had this Twitter page, and she was arguing with people on Twitter, and one of the things she said is, I eat men for dinner, or I eat men for breakfast.

02:54:17.000 Like, you think I'm scared?

02:54:18.000 I eat men for breakfast. 0.98

02:54:20.000 And everybody's like, what?

02:54:22.000 Why would you say that?

02:54:23.000 Like, all men? 0.99

02:54:24.000 Like, not even assholes? 0.99

02:54:25.000 Like, why would you even say that? 1.00

02:54:26.000 Like, you imagine if a man said that?

02:54:28.000 If a man in any position of power, like, and she was, I believe what, I mean, poor understanding of what's going on, but I believe that she was brought in to sort of bring more diversity to this project they were doing.

02:54:42.000 You know, this this idea and then bring in a feminist perspective was gonna, you know, balance things out a little bit, which is always a good idea, right? 1.00

02:54:49.000 But when you read something like that, like that's if even if that's not really her intention, just having that perspective, having the perspective of, you know, I eat men for breakfast, like you could never say I eat women for breakfast.

02:55:02.000 Unless she means it in a nice way.

02:55:05.000 I mean, hey, that's...

02:55:06.000 That's not bad.

02:55:07.000 I like women who eat men for breakfast. 1.00

02:55:09.000 Yeah.

02:55:10.000 You know.

02:55:10.000 Just have some real food, too.

02:55:11.000 The morning blowjob, there's... 0.99

02:55:12.000 The half-asleep blowjob is a beautiful thing. 1.00

02:55:15.000 It's going away. 0.99

02:55:16.000 It's like the Daryl Bird.

02:55:17.000 Really?

02:55:18.000 It's almost extinct.

02:55:20.000 It's like the wooded owl.

02:55:21.000 If we don't stop cutting down these trees...

02:55:23.000 We're not talking about ambient either.

02:55:25.000 It doesn't count because then you're not even there for it.

02:55:28.000 Well, it takes a special kind of passion.

02:55:29.000 And I think some people just don't have that for each other.

02:55:34.000 Well, and I think when you're half asleep, you can sort of enjoy it more.

02:55:37.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:55:38.000 Well, you can enjoy a lot of sex. 0.97

02:55:39.000 Really relaxed.

02:55:40.000 More when you're cuddling together and then someone just decides to start something and you're like, all right, we're doing this?

02:55:44.000 Right.

02:55:45.000 Woo-hoo! 1.00

02:55:45.000 Well, you do it. 1.00

02:55:46.000 I'll just sort of lie here.

02:55:47.000 Sometimes that's fun, too.

02:55:48.000 Yeah.

02:55:49.000 Sure.

02:55:49.000 I did not consent.

02:55:51.000 Well, there's a lot of madness now, too, with sex.

02:55:53.000 There was something they were handing out to...

02:55:57.000 Young students now where they were saying that you literally have to get consent.

02:56:02.000 They were saying that you should get consent every 10 seconds during any sex act.

02:56:07.000 I'm sure there's an app.

02:56:09.000 Siri, ask her every 10 seconds if she's enjoying this.

02:56:12.000 Do you consent to this?

02:56:13.000 May I shove it in harder?

02:56:15.000 May I go faster?

02:56:17.000 May I pull it back and then put it back in again?

02:56:19.000 May I rub it on the outside?

02:56:21.000 May I tease you?

02:56:22.000 Oh, man.

02:56:22.000 We live in a weird world.

02:56:24.000 Yeah.

02:56:24.000 Well, it's America, too.

02:56:26.000 Have you been to Spain?

02:56:27.000 No, never.

02:56:27.000 You've got to come visit, man.

02:56:29.000 Well, I think even it's not...

02:56:30.000 I don't even think it's really America.

02:56:31.000 I think it's what we were talking about earlier, about these small groups of people that have these ideas, and they're very, very passionate about spreading these ideas.

02:56:40.000 And these ideas don't necessarily have to be good, but they have to have a bunch of other crazy people that believe in them.

02:56:45.000 Like, the people that convinced Linda Lovelace into saying that she was raped, and the feminist movement that co-opted her ideas.

02:56:53.000 I mean, they didn't do it because they were calculating an evil and they had some grand plan to ruin it for everybody else. 0.99

02:57:00.000 They probably did it because they were nuts. 0.99

02:57:03.000 And there's a lot of other nutty people out there that agree with you. 1.00

02:57:05.000 I tweeted something the other day that someone tweeted, and it was so fucking ridiculous that it made me go, what the fuck? 1.00

02:57:14.000 I don't even know what to say. 0.99

02:57:15.000 But it was about abortion.

02:57:17.000 And the tweet was something like...

02:57:26.000 Hmm.

02:57:32.000 I'm not sure I get that one. 0.95

02:57:34.000 Because trans people can get pregnant. 0.99

02:57:36.000 Oh, really?

02:57:37.000 So a woman who identifies with being male can also get pregnant, and abortion rights are for her, too.

02:57:43.000 Him.

02:57:44.000 Him.

02:57:45.000 Sorry.

02:57:46.000 Whatever. 0.98

02:57:48.000 Yeah, I'll read you the exact tweet, because it's fucking maddening. 0.99

02:57:52.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

02:57:54.000 It just doesn't even make any sense. 0.99

02:57:56.000 Let me find it.

02:57:57.000 You found it already, Jamie?

02:57:59.000 Here it is right here.

02:58:00.000 I found it right here.

02:58:01.000 Abortion access isn't just a woman's right. 1.00

02:58:04.000 Not all pregnant people or people who can get pregnant are women. 1.00

02:58:07.000 What in the fucking actual fuck? 1.00

02:58:10.000 Silly bullshit. 1.00

02:58:11.000 But you can get a bunch of people and go, yes, you're amazing. 1.00

02:58:16.000 What you did is beautiful.

02:58:17.000 What you said was amazing. 0.99

02:58:18.000 No, what you said is horseshit. 0.99

02:58:20.000 Just because you think you're a man doesn't mean you're a man. 0.99

02:58:24.000 We're off in a weird tangent here.

02:58:27.000 But that's what's going on.

02:58:29.000 Jermaine Greer got in a lot of trouble for saying that.

02:58:31.000 Do you know who she is?

02:58:32.000 Yes.

02:58:32.000 That's the eunuch, right?

02:58:33.000 The female eunuch she wrote. 0.83

02:58:35.000 Yeah.

02:58:35.000 So she said that.

02:58:36.000 She's like, look, you can call yourself whatever you want, but to me, you're not a woman. 1.00

02:58:41.000 Yeah.

02:58:41.000 And everybody's like, what did she say?

02:58:44.000 That's hate language.

02:58:45.000 It's not hate language. 1.00

02:58:46.000 It's her fucking opinion. 1.00

02:58:47.000 Well, not only that, like, goddammit, why... 1.00

02:58:50.000 Do we assume that when people say something nutty that they're crazy in almost every single avenue except for gender? 0.53

02:58:57.000 For gender, we'll just accept anything. 0.92

02:59:00.000 We'll just accept back and forth. 0.99

02:59:02.000 There's a guy that they did, speaking of Radiolab, an amazing piece, and the guy clearly out of his fucking mind when you listen to him talk, but he flips. 0.97

02:59:12.000 Back and forth from being male and female all day long. 0.87

02:59:15.000 And they're talking about it like it's this very unusual thing.

02:59:18.000 It's very rare.

02:59:20.000 Normally with transgender, they live in one sex and believe they're another. 1.00

02:59:25.000 But this person goes back and forth.

02:59:27.000 But when you listen to this person talk, you realize this is not a stable human being.

02:59:31.000 And it's quite possible they're out of their But you don't consider it because it's gender. 1.00

02:59:37.000 If they thought they were a fox, if they believed that they were born in the ocean of merpeople, you would say, well, this guy's out of his fucking mind. 0.99

02:59:46.000 But because he's talking about gender, he can say, well, now I'm a man. 0.99

02:59:50.000 Well, now I'm a woman.

02:59:51.000 I just turned.

02:59:52.000 So he's in the conversation.

02:59:53.000 And in the middle of the conversation, he's like, I just flipped.

02:59:56.000 Like they asked him something uncomfortable.

02:59:58.000 I'm jacked now.

02:59:59.000 I just flipped. 1.00

02:59:59.000 Like, oh, oh, you're fucking crazy. 1.00

03:00:01.000 Oh, you're crazy. 1.00

03:00:02.000 You're a crazy person. 1.00

03:00:03.000 You believe you're male and female back and forth like ping pong balls? 1.00

03:00:07.000 Fuck you. 1.00

03:00:08.000 Okay? 1.00

03:00:09.000 Fuck you for putting this on the air. 1.00

03:00:11.000 Fuck you for saying it. 1.00

03:00:12.000 Taking it seriously. 1.00

03:00:13.000 God damn it. 0.99

03:00:14.000 We out of time? 0.99

03:00:15.000 Jamie's just telling him we're out of time. 0.99

03:00:16.000 God damn it, Chris Ryan. 1.00

03:00:17.000 You've been podcasting all fucking day, man. 1.00

03:00:19.000 We just smashed three hours. 0.99

03:00:20.000 Jesus.

03:00:21.000 We did it again, sir.

03:00:22.000 Knocked it out of the park.

03:00:23.000 Tangentially Speaking is available on iTunes.

03:00:27.000 What's your website again?

03:00:28.000 Chris Ryan?

03:00:29.000 ChrisRyanPhD.com.

03:00:31.000 And the new book will be, how long before it's all edited and whacked out?

03:00:35.000 Next summer.

03:00:35.000 Next summer?

03:00:36.000 Yeah.

03:00:36.000 This summer coming up?

03:00:37.000 Yeah, 2016. Seven or eight months.

03:00:39.000 Yeah.

03:00:39.000 Yay.

03:00:40.000 Yeah.

03:00:40.000 All right.

03:00:41.000 Hopefully before Trump becomes president.

03:00:43.000 Well, you leave in December. 1.00

03:00:44.000 We could fucking shove one more of these bitches in. 1.00

03:00:47.000 Sure. 1.00

03:00:47.000 Dude, we could talk about it. 1.00

03:00:48.000 I'll do my homework, and we'll have a lot to talk about.

03:00:51.000 All right.

03:00:51.000 Thanks, brother.

03:00:52.000 Appreciate it, as always.

03:00:52.000 Always fun, yeah.

03:00:53.000 All right, my friends.

03:00:54.000 We'll be back soon. 1.00

03:00:55.000 Until then, go fuck yourself. 1.00

03:00:56.000 See ya. 1.00

03:01:00.000 Woo! 0.99

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 03, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #718 - Christopher Ryan

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