The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #720 - Tait Fletcher & Andy Stumpf

00:00:00.000 Gentlemen, Tate Fletcher and Andy Stump!

00:00:05.000 Otherwise known as Andy Stump 77. Was it 76, 75, 74?

00:00:09.000 Are they all taken?

00:00:10.000 Or was that your birth date?

00:00:11.000 I'm the only person on Twitter who put the year of my birth after their name.

00:00:15.000 It's pretty fancy.

00:00:16.000 Some guys just go with 69. That's standard.

00:00:19.000 I would bet if you search for that, it's probably taken.

00:00:21.000 The first time I got an AOL account, it was SpikeMan69.

00:00:25.000 And it was a guy I was living with at the time.

00:00:28.000 He's like, well, I've got this extra account.

00:00:30.000 And I'm like, Spike, I'm like, what is this all about?

00:00:33.000 And I guess he likes chat rooms and stuff.

00:00:35.000 So that was it for a while until I was like, I had to send a legitimate email.

00:00:38.000 And I'm like, this can't be what I'm doing.

00:00:41.000 You're trying to do business.

00:00:42.000 I smartly went to rather choke you out.

00:00:46.000 Which looked even...

00:00:47.000 When I got into film stuff, it looked super weird because you have to send that to makeup, like wardrobe and everybody.

00:00:52.000 And then it was early in grappling, so people didn't know really about fighting. 0.97

00:00:56.000 So you're a sex freak that just likes to choke people. 1.00

00:00:59.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:00:59.000 I was like, okay. 1.00

00:01:01.000 And then I got it.

00:01:02.000 It's funny that you would say that it would be a sex freak, not a violent person.

00:01:06.000 That just shows you the circles you're traveling in.

00:01:09.000 That's how sweet a person I am.

00:01:10.000 I was not thinking sexual at all.

00:01:11.000 I'm looking over at Tate, who's like 300 pounds of ripped steel.

00:01:14.000 I'm like... 0.99

00:01:16.000 Sex freak. 0.98

00:01:18.000 Very few people associate choking with sex, dude. 0.97

00:01:20.000 Listen, if you send it to a wardrobe lady, it's way better to have her think of you in this way than that way, though, right?

00:01:27.000 I prefer that, so I just gave that kind of energy to it.

00:01:32.000 Put that vibe out.

00:01:32.000 But then you put that vibe out anyway.

00:01:34.000 Thanks. 0.99

00:01:35.000 Sex freak? 0.97

00:01:36.000 Yeah, why not? 0.99

00:01:37.000 Let's get crazy. 0.99

00:01:38.000 What's wrong with being a sex freak? 0.99

00:01:40.000 It's like being a food freak. 0.99

00:01:41.000 How come being a food freak's okay, but being a sex freak is a problem? 0.56

00:01:45.000 It's true. 0.86

00:01:46.000 Seriously.

00:01:46.000 I mean, because the Puritans, they can justify food more, and then people get mad if you're sexually free.

00:01:51.000 Nobody's happy about that.

00:01:52.000 People get all weird about that, man.

00:01:54.000 You know, I've had Dr. Chris Ryan on a bunch of times.

00:01:57.000 He's that guy that wrote Sex and Dawn.

00:01:58.000 I like him so much.

00:02:00.000 Man, he's fantastic.

00:02:01.000 Yeah, he's amazing.

00:02:02.000 His book's fantastic.

00:02:03.000 He's just a cool dude, too.

00:02:04.000 But we always wind up talking about this weird thing that people have with people that enjoy pleasure.

00:02:10.000 Certain pleasure you're allowed to enjoy.

00:02:12.000 You're allowed to go get a massage and go, oh, the best massage. 1.00

00:02:15.000 Oh, this fucking lady, she knew how to dig in there. 1.00

00:02:18.000 But if you say that about getting your dick sucked, you're some sort of a piece of shit. 1.00

00:02:23.000 There's something wrong with you, Andy. 1.00

00:02:24.000 Yeah.

00:02:25.000 Why do you enjoy this?

00:02:26.000 You had him on out too long ago.

00:02:28.000 I've had him on twice in the last couple months.

00:02:31.000 He's another guy that confirms everything that I've heard about Spain.

00:02:35.000 If you could only live in one place, that place is fantastic.

00:02:41.000 Yeah, he loves it there, man.

00:02:42.000 And he's been everywhere.

00:02:43.000 I mean, when I met him, he was living in Vancouver, and he's in Portland now, and then he moved to L.A. for a bit.

00:02:50.000 But he's been everywhere, and he just says Barcelona's the spot.

00:02:54.000 That's dope. 0.93

00:02:54.000 But he knows how to live, man. 0.93

00:02:56.000 That dude knows how to chill.

00:02:57.000 Well, and he's free.

00:02:58.000 He's free of the constraints of social norms affecting him and him caring too much about what anybody thinks.

00:03:05.000 He's probably outlived his parents and whomever that he might have been like, I'm a little embarrassed if they know I had a threesome.

00:03:11.000 Or whatever, you know what I mean?

00:03:12.000 Right, right, right.

00:03:12.000 I mean, people live under bondage of other people's opinions.

00:03:15.000 He can just go on blast, because he's...

00:03:17.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:03:17.000 His jar of fucks is just empty. 1.00

00:03:19.000 Yeah, well, he's done some gay stuff. 1.00

00:03:21.000 He doesn't care. 1.00

00:03:22.000 He's like, yeah, whatever, I took you guys' dick, or whatever. 1.00

00:03:24.000 Did he do some gay stuff? 1.00

00:03:24.000 I'm not saying he did, I'm just saying. 1.00

00:03:26.000 What the fuck, bro? 1.00

00:03:27.000 I didn't know he did some gay stuff. 1.00

00:03:28.000 He's on that mic. 0.87

00:03:29.000 Oh, we can't see him now.

00:03:30.000 Just do...

00:03:31.000 It doesn't even...

00:03:34.000 It doesn't even smell.

00:03:35.000 No, it's fine.

00:03:36.000 I really should clean these.

00:03:37.000 It's one thing that I do not like about these sponges.

00:03:41.000 I keep thinking.

00:03:41.000 I'm using the same sponge all the time.

00:03:43.000 I'm spitting in this thing.

00:03:44.000 Right.

00:03:44.000 But there's a certain amount of...

00:03:46.000 That comes out of your mouth no matter what you do.

00:03:49.000 For sure.

00:03:49.000 Joey Diaz has probably put a pint or two into that particular...

00:03:53.000 It soaked up and had to dry up.

00:03:54.000 Yeah, but we don't do anything.

00:03:55.000 I think there's a way to deal with this, and we're not doing it.

00:03:59.000 We're not doing a damn thing about it.

00:04:00.000 At least Febreze it or something.

00:04:02.000 Jamie was telling me that he replaces them all the time.

00:04:06.000 He's got a box where we just replaced them.

00:04:07.000 They don't even come off. 0.99

00:04:08.000 They don't even come off these fucking things. 0.99

00:04:10.000 On these shores, this is like a permanent fixture. 0.99

00:04:12.000 Okay, I made it up.

00:04:13.000 I made it up.

00:04:13.000 They probably have a replacement, right?

00:04:16.000 There's other sponges we can get.

00:04:17.000 There's also cleaner, I think, we can get for it.

00:04:19.000 Stop it.

00:04:20.000 You can't clean this enough.

00:04:21.000 You know what they use to clean stuff?

00:04:23.000 They use sponges.

00:04:24.000 Do you know what you use to clean a sponge?

00:04:25.000 The garbage.

00:04:26.000 That's it. 0.99

00:04:27.000 I mean, it is a sponge.

00:04:29.000 I mean, that's what these things are.

00:04:31.000 These are sponges.

00:04:32.000 That's the end game for cleaning. 1.00

00:04:33.000 I think with a guy like Chris Ryan, another part of it is that he's...

00:04:39.000 He celebrated for his open-mindedness.

00:04:41.000 So it's not just something that he doesn't have to hide anymore.

00:04:45.000 It's something that he embraces because other people go, thank you!

00:04:49.000 Finally!

00:04:50.000 Finally the voice of reason.

00:04:51.000 Everybody agrees with it to that extent, to a certain extent.

00:04:54.000 It's kind of like being a fighter, I think, in a way, is where people are looking at it and they're like...

00:04:58.000 I would have liked to have taken that chance.

00:05:00.000 Whenever you're doing anything that people are reticent to jump into and they go, man, I would have liked to join the SEALs.

00:05:06.000 I would have liked to have done whatever the thing is and the window closed or whatever happened and didn't have the courage to pull the trigger on it.

00:05:12.000 But then they see a guy like that and they're like, he's expressing and manifesting in a way that I would like to be able to do, but I just can't do it.

00:05:19.000 I'm caught up in all this other stuff.

00:05:20.000 Yeah, people get stuck.

00:05:22.000 They get stuck in who they are, and they have these ideas of what they would like to be, and they just never get after it.

00:05:28.000 They just never hit the gas.

00:05:30.000 They just never get out of their lane.

00:05:32.000 It's a big problem with people.

00:05:34.000 There's something huge about freedom, man.

00:05:37.000 There's a great argument to be made that people don't want to be free. 0.99

00:05:40.000 We talk a lot about freedom, but motherfuckers like to have handcuffs on. 1.00

00:05:45.000 They like to have a wife that's basically like a game warden, you know, that tells them what they can bag and when they can come home and, you know, it's nighttime! 1.00

00:05:54.000 Put the guns away!

00:05:55.000 I mean, most people, to be free, would rather be polyamorous or something like that, for sure.

00:06:00.000 Yeah, they would.

00:06:01.000 That's how we live comfortably.

00:06:03.000 But they don't want their wife to do it.

00:06:04.000 But they don't want anybody to be hurt.

00:06:05.000 They don't want anybody else.

00:06:06.000 Yeah, they don't want anybody getting feelings hurt.

00:06:08.000 Mm-hmm.

00:06:09.000 There's a lot.

00:06:10.000 That's the downside.

00:06:11.000 People's feelings, that's it.

00:06:12.000 That's what we walk around, really. 0.99

00:06:14.000 If you're conscious, there's guys that don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:06:16.000 Yeah, and then there's also people that hold you captive with their feelings because they're so fucking ultra-sensitive. 0.99

00:06:21.000 And then you gotta say, buh-bye.

00:06:25.000 It's hilarious, a guy like you, before this podcast, you're talking about Tate fighting, like, I would never do that.

00:06:31.000 I could never do that.

00:06:32.000 But how could you say that when you were a SEAL? I mean, you were involved in gunfights, you were in SEAL Team 6. Can I tell you the starkest thing that he said?

00:06:40.000 What?

00:06:41.000 He's talking with his buddy, John Wellborn, and then with this guy that's a...

00:06:46.000 I don't know if he's a SWAT team leader, but he's on the Santa Monica SWAT team, right?

00:06:50.000 And he's like...

00:06:51.000 And Scott goes...

00:06:54.000 Yeah, you know, and he's the SWAT team guy.

00:06:57.000 He's like, you know, I was shooting my MP5 or something like that, and he looks over, like, disgusted.

00:07:01.000 Yeah, Vietnam called.

00:07:02.000 They want their gun back, right?

00:07:03.000 What are you doing?

00:07:04.000 What is that for?

00:07:06.000 And he's like, well, no, like, target shooting.

00:07:08.000 He says, oh, okay, fine.

00:07:09.000 He says, because I was walking, and I hit a guy five times in the chest with that, and he didn't even really fall down.

00:07:14.000 He went into the other room and everything.

00:07:15.000 He's like that, and that's unacceptable as a weapon.

00:07:18.000 So the only way I'm like, and I'm looking at this, and I'm like...

00:07:20.000 The only way he sees weapons as worthwhile is their stopping power of a human.

00:07:25.000 And then he's like, you really got to hit a guy just under the eyes and just above the teeth. 0.99

00:07:30.000 And when you said above the teeth, I was like, that's some next level shit. 0.99

00:07:33.000 But it's a good reference point, right? 0.99

00:07:35.000 It sure is.

00:07:35.000 I'll never forget it.

00:07:38.000 The MP5, I didn't say I shot anybody with the MP5, because like I said, I trained on them in the 90s and then realized that the turn of the century came, so we can put the muskets and the MP5s away and pick up some other firepower.

00:07:50.000 I would have never known.

00:07:52.000 Catapults still have stopping power.

00:07:54.000 That's true.

00:07:54.000 They do.

00:07:55.000 You can't dial it in super good.

00:07:57.000 Bring them back.

00:07:58.000 I mean, can you imagine if somebody shot a catapult at me, I'd be like, I'm out.

00:08:02.000 You're gonna live another day.

00:08:04.000 Like a flamethrower, if you have a flamethrower, you win.

00:08:07.000 I'm not gonna go into that.

00:08:09.000 Especially when you were in the 90s and all the hairspray and everything.

00:08:13.000 You couldn't afford that.

00:08:15.000 All my money went into beauty products, which most of it still does, obviously.

00:08:19.000 One of the darkest things that I ever heard about warfare was in the Dan Carlin Hardcore History series about the Mongols.

00:08:24.000 We talked about Mongols lighting bodies on fire and launching them with catapults onto the rooftops of these buildings because they had thatched roofs. 0.99

00:08:33.000 And human bodies, they're fatty, you know, and they light on fire good and they stay lit. 0.96

00:08:38.000 Takes a bit, but...

00:08:41.000 Says a guy, yeah, this is great.

00:08:44.000 Yeah, so I heard it on a podcast, and then I had a guy sitting next to me that also had experience with that.

00:08:49.000 Allegedly.

00:08:50.000 Allegedly you need an accelerant, but...

00:08:52.000 I mean, think about it.

00:08:54.000 Think about the impact that that would have being on the receiving end. 0.99

00:08:57.000 You're like, you fucking win. 0.99

00:09:00.000 Like, if you want to... 1.00

00:09:02.000 All of a sudden your dad comes through the roof.

00:09:04.000 I mean, I'm not going to say there's an argument to be made for doing that, but...

00:09:07.000 What if you could do that once and not have to fight two more battles because the people you want to fight against see that and they're like, nope, check, you win.

00:09:15.000 That's the ethical argument for being ruthless, right? 0.90

00:09:17.000 The ethical argument is if you could be ruthless in a short amount of time and just absolutely stop all the bullshit, that you will actually save lives. 0.62

00:09:25.000 Yeah, you'll mitigate the loss of the future. 0.59

00:09:27.000 Yeah, look at the atomic bomb, right?

00:09:29.000 I mean, that was the theory behind that.

00:09:30.000 We're just going to turn so many people into glass that your country is going to want to back away before it happens again.

00:09:35.000 Didn't they kill as many people with those atomic bombs as they did in years of traditional warfare? 0.72

00:09:41.000 For sure.

00:09:41.000 And then I read something, too, that Japan had already been orchestrating a piece and a settle of that, and they're like, we're already online with these.

00:09:50.000 We've got to try them out.

00:09:51.000 Yeah.

00:09:51.000 Like little kids giddy for their Christmas present.

00:09:53.000 They wanted to see what would happen.

00:09:55.000 Knowing what I know about the U.S. military, I would say there's likely some shreds of truth to that.

00:10:00.000 I was talking to a friend of mine, and he was saying also, he says, they want an elongated war.

00:10:04.000 He was like a Force Recon guy, and he said, for example, there's a house of bad guys.

00:10:10.000 We know the bad guys are there.

00:10:12.000 But we get stand down, just relax.

00:10:15.000 And then I said, why?

00:10:16.000 Is this modern day?

00:10:17.000 Yeah.

00:10:17.000 He said because they wanted to go out longer.

00:10:20.000 And so then they'd send the regular Marines around until they'd get blown up on the road.

00:10:23.000 And then they'd blow up another one.

00:10:25.000 And they'd stretch it out for as long as they could to get public opinion of deaths and this and that before they would send guys in.

00:10:31.000 And he said that dates back, though, to Vietnam.

00:10:33.000 He said there's a hill that's a famous hill, I forget the name of it, that they retook 15 times.

00:10:37.000 Oh, yeah.

00:10:38.000 There's actually, I think, a couple of those.

00:10:39.000 They made a movie out of one.

00:10:41.000 Piss that I can't think of the name, but it's like 607 or something like that.

00:10:44.000 Hamburger Hill might have actually been in the movie.

00:10:45.000 But yeah, I don't know, man.

00:10:47.000 Once you get war going, man, that's big money.

00:10:49.000 And I mean, now that we have a boogeyman of terrorists, you can say that about anything, really.

00:10:54.000 Yeah, when you have the word terrorist, that's an open-ended thing.

00:10:58.000 Because it's not like there's a country with a leader, and you take over the leader, and that's it, you're done.

00:11:02.000 And then I have to trust your intelligence as a citizen of the government.

00:11:05.000 It takes the expiration date off, because then it's like, well, I don't know.

00:11:08.000 How long are we going to be there?

00:11:10.000 What if they move?

00:11:11.000 Because then, you know what I mean?

00:11:12.000 It becomes a chess game, but you're not on a board anymore, where the board just exponentially increased.

00:11:16.000 How frustrating is that as a soldier?

00:11:19.000 I mean, that's got to be this...

00:11:20.000 It seems to me that, like, as a soldier, you would want an obvious...

00:11:24.000 Opponent where once it's defeated, you're done.

00:11:27.000 You have an objective.

00:11:28.000 The objective is reached.

00:11:29.000 Everybody can go home.

00:11:30.000 Remember that World War II photo of the soldier that's kissing the girl with a sailor?

00:11:34.000 He's kissing the girl in the middle of the street, and everybody's like, yes!

00:11:38.000 It's over!

00:11:40.000 Our generation has been denied that.

00:11:43.000 We were denied that.

00:11:44.000 In Desert Storm, it sort of happened, because it happened.

00:11:47.000 It was so quick.

00:11:48.000 It was just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

00:11:50.000 And it gave everybody this idea like, well, the way we do war today is it's not that big a deal.

00:11:55.000 We lose a couple of people, but basically we just go in there and we fuck everything up real quick, and everybody quits.

00:12:00.000 No, not anymore.

00:12:02.000 After that time, it became this very murky thing.

00:12:05.000 It's not going to war with Iraq.

00:12:07.000 Or going to war with any country.

00:12:09.000 It's going to war with ISIS. And they're all over the place.

00:12:11.000 They're these boogeymen.

00:12:14.000 And before that Al-Qaeda, and then before that Syria. 0.75

00:12:16.000 And the whole thing becomes like a subterfuge.

00:12:20.000 And going, well now we need to be intrinsically laden into these different governments.

00:12:24.000 Because they could be, they're a little bit in France, and they're a little bit in Saudi Arabia.

00:12:27.000 And then the military-industrial complex just grows and grows and grows.

00:12:30.000 I think I had the benefit though, to answer your question, because... 0.98

00:12:35.000 I can't even describe the amount of respect that I have for conventional forces and the shit that is forced upon them given their job description. 0.97

00:12:43.000 We could spend hours talking about it. 0.99

00:12:44.000 You mean just like being in an impossible situation and giving horrible decisions to make?

00:12:49.000 Not necessarily horrible decisions, but they're trained to the best of the ability that they can.

00:12:54.000 But there's no time or money or equipment to continue sharpening the blade, right?

00:12:59.000 So they're large mechanized units or they got to walk around and they're told to go own battle space.

00:13:06.000 And some of the battle space is passive and some of it's aggressive.

00:13:09.000 And it's a job where the local people don't want you to be there.

00:13:12.000 You probably don't want to be there. 0.98

00:13:14.000 It's super kinetic and they have to fucking live there. 0.92

00:13:17.000 You know, and they, to them, I don't know how you define victory to those forces. 0.96

00:13:21.000 For us, I think we had a little bit of a benefit and it was less frustrating because it was targeted.

00:13:26.000 I mean, we would have a list, a target list where, you know, like in Iraq in 2005, that we were on full, like, vampire schedule.

00:13:35.000 I'd sleep all day long, get up right before the sun went down, go hit a workout, hit dinner, and I'd just go sit down in the office and, you know, the cell phone network would crack on and it's just...

00:13:45.000 Who do you want to go for?

00:13:47.000 Just rack and stack them.

00:13:48.000 So how does that work?

00:13:50.000 Like, what do you say, the cell phone network would go on?

00:13:53.000 Yeah, you know, a lot of the stuff, a lot of the targeting that we would do would be electronic-based.

00:13:58.000 You know, it's no secret.

00:13:59.000 Like metadata, like knowing where the phones are, knowing where they're walking around?

00:14:02.000 I think it had something to do with the ability to triangulate their location.

00:14:05.000 It's the same way that your iPhone works.

00:14:06.000 You know what I mean?

00:14:07.000 If you turn on...

00:14:08.000 People who think that if you're carrying around an electronic device and there's not a way to track it...

00:14:12.000 Like, this is so open source, too.

00:14:14.000 I mean, it's...

00:14:14.000 Believe me, conspiracy theorists could go nuts with this, but...

00:14:18.000 Well, a buddy of mine, his wife tracked him with a Find My Phone.

00:14:21.000 Totally.

00:14:22.000 I mean, what's...

00:14:22.000 And what's the difference, right?

00:14:24.000 It's going off the same thing.

00:14:25.000 The phone is communicating with other satellite stuff.

00:14:28.000 So...

00:14:29.000 Some phones would become active.

00:14:30.000 Other phones wouldn't.

00:14:31.000 You know, you could look at the lines of warfare that we were trying to go down and the things that we were trying to affect, and we're like, cool.

00:14:38.000 That guy's number one on the list.

00:14:39.000 Let's roll.

00:14:40.000 And for us, when we roll...

00:14:42.000 Now when you decide who's number one on the list, is that you guys as a group come together?

00:14:47.000 Is there a guy telling you?

00:14:48.000 No, that's more like kind of looking at the battlefield.

00:14:51.000 And I mean, the best analogy I could be with like a tree, right?

00:14:54.000 So the root of the tree, so we'll go even bigger.

00:14:56.000 Like Bin Laden, right? 0.81

00:14:57.000 Like he's right at the base.

00:14:58.000 Like we're trying to get there.

00:14:59.000 But all we can really see is the little branches and all the outlining stuff.

00:15:02.000 So we got to work our way back.

00:15:04.000 So it'd be where they are in relationship to the branches and the leaves.

00:15:07.000 Like how close can we get?

00:15:08.000 Because it usually starts with a low-level guy who you can roll up.

00:15:11.000 And it leads to another guy.

00:15:12.000 It's a compounding thing.

00:15:14.000 I mean, really, that is how most of it works.

00:15:16.000 I'm asking, though, as a Team 6 guy, is it coming from on high, or are you guys deciding, no, this is the guy that is closest to our objectives as a country?

00:15:26.000 Both.

00:15:27.000 It could be both.

00:15:28.000 A lot of the times, like the target deck, you still, even overseas, you work for a battlespace commander, and they have objectives that they're trying to get achieved in that battlespace.

00:15:37.000 So you have to justify what you're going to do against what they're trying to do.

00:15:41.000 Right.

00:15:42.000 But if there are certain high-level individuals, like if that individual pops up, you're going to stop everything you're doing, and you're going to go after them, like Zah.

00:15:48.000 Zahiri was one of them in Iraq.

00:15:50.000 But, you know, when we would roll out...

00:15:52.000 Sounds like a magician.

00:15:53.000 It does.

00:15:54.000 Great Zahiri.

00:15:56.000 We'd roll out, and I had a football sleeve on, like Tom Brady did, with a guy's picture, with stats. 0.86

00:16:01.000 You know, the picture was fucking completely inaccurate 99% of the time.

00:16:04.000 Sometimes we didn't have a picture, so it would be an empty silhouette. 0.92

00:16:07.000 Dark-haired guy, beard.

00:16:08.000 No, not even that.

00:16:09.000 No way.

00:16:10.000 It would be a silhouette, so I would draw things on him, like a mustache, or maybe this guy has a goatee.

00:16:14.000 I would draw my own little target picture, but it would have the building.

00:16:18.000 It would have known associates.

00:16:19.000 So, like, I... I had a much more defined end state.

00:16:22.000 So we would go, and maybe he would be there, and maybe he wouldn't.

00:16:26.000 At the end of the night, you would be able to gauge success or failure to a small degree, as opposed to just occupying a battle space.

00:16:34.000 Is there ever a time when you got a guy and it wasn't that guy?

00:16:39.000 No, that never happens.

00:16:40.000 Sorry about it.

00:16:42.000 You look just like the picture that I drew on my arm.

00:16:45.000 You look just like the time to get the donuts guy. 0.87

00:16:48.000 Or they'd be like, hey, his name is Abu Smith, which means son of Smith, and everybody's fucking name in the city is Abu Smith, so you roll the dude up and you get back, and you're like, these are not the droids that you're looking for. 0.81

00:16:58.000 It happens all the time. 0.97

00:16:59.000 But this guy had poor manners.

00:17:01.000 That's a big argument for Guantanamo Bay, right?

00:17:03.000 That Guantanamo Bay, there's a lot of people over there that were just guilted by a socialist.

00:17:07.000 Or they went to school in the wrong place, or they attended the wrong meetings, and they just got shackled up and put in some orange jumpsuits and stuffed into some holes.

00:17:16.000 So what do you do with them now?

00:17:17.000 It's a good question, especially once you've had them there for 14 years, because they just released a guy.

00:17:22.000 Because we can go down the rabbit hole on this one.

00:17:24.000 This is a tough portion of the question that I don't think people think about.

00:17:28.000 Like, what do you do with a guy who was guilty by association or not, but got caught in the net, We're good to go.

00:17:44.000 If he was in this room, he would try to kill all three of us right now.

00:17:46.000 You know that, but he hasn't actually done anything yet because he was put in there, not by accident, by association.

00:17:53.000 Do you let the guy out?

00:17:53.000 Well, do you?

00:17:55.000 I mean, it's a very tricky situation depending on what your objectives are.

00:17:59.000 Is your objective justice or is your objective making sure that you keep people safe?

00:18:04.000 Justice.

00:18:05.000 Yours.

00:18:06.000 Yeah.

00:18:07.000 Yours, but you're not in the military.

00:18:09.000 You say let him go, Tate?

00:18:10.000 And also America's.

00:18:11.000 You say let him go, though?

00:18:12.000 Yep.

00:18:13.000 If he is innocent, for sure we turn everybody...

00:18:17.000 I'm saying he was innocent when he got there.

00:18:18.000 Right.

00:18:19.000 For sure we've turned everybody that isn't... 0.99

00:18:20.000 If I'm in Guantanamo Bay for 14 years, I'm for sure going to have some feelings when I get out.

00:18:25.000 You're going to be totally on the other side.

00:18:28.000 But it's not for sure until I do that.

00:18:30.000 Yeah, I mean, ethically, you have to turn him loose.

00:18:33.000 I can't be the thought voice.

00:18:33.000 Ethically, you have to, at the very least, wait for something bad to happen.

00:18:38.000 I'm watching him.

00:18:38.000 I might have a sniper attributed to that guy.

00:18:40.000 Oh, stop it. 0.99

00:18:41.000 For what, the fucking 10 yards he walks to a vehicle and then disappears into the network of boogeymen? 0.99

00:18:46.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:18:47.000 Come on.

00:18:47.000 Whatever the thing is.

00:18:48.000 But the thing is, is I can't, based on, like, I think that he's going to do this, like, we don't live that way.

00:18:55.000 So then say he does.

00:18:56.000 So let's say, not a 9-11 scenario, but say he becomes the guy that goes to France and starts hacking dudes with a machete, and you knowingly let him go because you believe in justice.

00:19:05.000 Who's responsible for that happening?

00:19:06.000 The guy that hacked him up with the machete.

00:19:08.000 But you're the one who let him go.

00:19:09.000 But isn't it also the people that turned him into that, the really responsible parties?

00:19:13.000 If we want to run it up the top of the chain, then it's Dick Cheney.

00:19:16.000 Then it's guys that put him there.

00:19:18.000 It's Obama that didn't let him out.

00:19:20.000 It's all these guys.

00:19:21.000 That's a real problem.

00:19:22.000 I mean, that's been a problem since the beginning of time.

00:19:24.000 It's a rabbit hole, man.

00:19:25.000 You could go down and around and around.

00:19:27.000 Well, at the end of the line, it's you guys.

00:19:31.000 You guys are the tip of the spear.

00:19:32.000 What is the attitude amongst SEAL Team 6?

00:19:37.000 How do they feel about these guys that were inaccurately portrayed or inaccurately Assessed and then wound up being stuffed into these hell holes for years, tortured, beaten. 0.96

00:19:51.000 Who knows what the fuck they're doing to those guys. 0.89

00:19:53.000 Look, we know what happened with those photos that got leaked for... 0.98

00:19:57.000 Abu Ghraib.

00:19:58.000 Abu Ghraib. 1.00

00:19:59.000 I mean, what the fuck, man? 1.00

00:20:00.000 Come on, it's just a little naked pyramid. 1.00

00:20:01.000 I mean, naked pyramid and some dogs and whatever.

00:20:05.000 Like chemical waterboarding and all the stuff that they did to those guys.

00:20:08.000 I mean...

00:20:08.000 We know about all that, right?

00:20:10.000 So...

00:20:10.000 Yeah, I can only speak for myself.

00:20:12.000 You know, I can't speak for the military or anybody else.

00:20:14.000 But, you know, to me, it's a very, very simple decision. 1.00

00:20:19.000 I'd fucking kill them. 1.00

00:20:20.000 You'd kill them because you would think that they would go out and... 1.00

00:20:22.000 I would rather err on the side of killing somebody who hasn't done anything than allow somebody to go out there and perpetuate violence on somebody else. 0.99

00:20:30.000 Straight across the board.

00:20:32.000 So you don't think that someone who hasn't done violence, who has been locked up against their will, you don't think that they deserve a shot?

00:20:39.000 You don't think that they deserve an opportunity to prove that they're not radicalized?

00:20:43.000 I think once they're radicalized like that, it's...

00:20:46.000 You know you just killed Mandela.

00:20:49.000 Who's Mandela?

00:20:50.000 Nelson.

00:20:51.000 Nelson Mandela, Gandhi.

00:20:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:20:54.000 It's like those guys also are in that kind of a position.

00:20:57.000 It's a good point.

00:20:58.000 It is a good point.

00:20:59.000 And like I said, I can only speak for myself and this is probably why I'm not in the position of making policy and I don't control Gitmo.

00:21:04.000 But you're also a guy who has to make split-second decisions to save your life and the life of all the people you love and care for because they're all around you and they're all in the firefight.

00:21:13.000 I've seen what these radical people can do, like, firsthand. 0.99

00:21:16.000 Like, there's what people think that these people will do, and then there's the lowest form of gnarly shit. 0.92

00:21:23.000 Not even the way that the things that they've done against the U.S., but, like, some of the things that I've seen of how they treat each other in their countries and these super radicalized areas that are hard to get into. 0.93

00:21:33.000 Like, I mean, it's just, I don't even know how to describe it.

00:21:35.000 Like, for instance, give me a... 0.99

00:21:37.000 Chaining Mongolian, like, inbred kids to fucking beds and leaving them in rooms. 1.00

00:21:41.000 Like, and just the way that they'll... 1.00

00:21:44.000 Treat women. 1.00

00:21:46.000 I entered a room and I didn't even recognize what the being was and it was fucking chained to a floor in a room that I went into because it was just inbred and they'd go in and they'd smack it around and throw out some food and like... 0.99

00:21:59.000 If you're willing to do that to a human being, like, you don't get a second chance from me. 0.68

00:22:05.000 How often has this taken place?

00:22:06.000 I mean, how many people are treating inbreds like this?

00:22:09.000 I mean, that's just an easy scenario that I can come back to, you know what I mean?

00:22:13.000 Because that one was, like, seared into my head. 0.87

00:22:15.000 I'm just like, what in the hell?

00:22:16.000 You know what I mean? 0.83

00:22:17.000 But, you know... 0.99

00:22:19.000 Look at what's going on if you're a homosexual over in any ISIS-controlled state. 1.00

00:22:26.000 They're throwing you off a fucking roof. 1.00

00:22:27.000 Yeah, they're getting you to the top floor and they're chucking people up. 0.99

00:22:31.000 Here's a better one. 1.00

00:22:32.000 Sex slaves, really? 1.00

00:22:33.000 12, 13-year-old sex slaves? 1.00

00:22:35.000 Come on. 0.98

00:22:36.000 But the only people doing that are the radical ones.

00:22:39.000 You know what I mean?

00:22:39.000 I don't have a problem with...

00:22:41.000 And Alabama.

00:22:42.000 Well, yeah, but here's the thing. 0.99

00:22:44.000 Radicals in Alabama scare the shit out of me, too. 0.98

00:22:46.000 I don't mind moderates across the board. 0.99

00:22:48.000 You can be a Catholic, you can be a Christian.

00:22:50.000 I don't care if you're a Muslim and you're praying in the corner. 1.00

00:22:53.000 I'd prefer you not detonate yourself afterwards, right? 0.98

00:22:55.000 But I'm okay with it.

00:22:57.000 I want to say, too, coming where I come from, I say what I say, but I'm sure I would have a different view walking in your shoes.

00:23:06.000 Yeah, so it's the radicals that once you get to that level, first off, if you're weak enough to have your mind changed like that and you can't stand for the morals that you know to be true, it's a problem.

00:23:20.000 Well, there's one thing changed and there's one thing developed in that environment.

00:23:23.000 There's a big difference between someone who's changed and another one.

00:23:27.000 People imitate their atmosphere. 0.89

00:23:29.000 If that's all you know and that's the world you know, And you think that Islam is the truth, you think that the Quran is the doctrine that you have to follow, and that 72 virgins are awaiting you in heaven, then sex slaves are permitted. 1.00

00:23:41.000 Then there's all sorts of things that are halal that we would think of as being horrific that are totally permitted. 1.00

00:23:47.000 It's societal standards and culture is a big part of the way people decide what's acceptable, what's not acceptable.

00:23:56.000 So do these people...

00:23:57.000 I think for us, growing up in America, it's almost impossible to understand what it would be like to be living in, like, one of the most radicalized parts of the world.

00:24:05.000 You can't understand the radical behavior, which is why I have no problem saying that a guy who went and did nothing but became radicalized, like, to me, that's a rote mathematical equation right there.

00:24:15.000 Right.

00:24:18.000 You know, it's a hard one because, you know, people still say to this day and age, like, you know, you shouldn't kill, right?

00:24:23.000 We need to...

00:24:24.000 The counterinsurgency strategy is based off winning the hearts and minds of the people that we're going into the countries that we're going into.

00:24:32.000 And I think the only way that I can describe it that makes sense to people, that might at least allow them to think outside of the education aspect is that...

00:24:40.000 And you kind of...

00:24:41.000 You alluded to the point a little bit, but, I mean, you have daughters, right?

00:24:45.000 Do you love your daughters?

00:24:46.000 Yeah.

00:24:47.000 Like, how much, though?

00:24:48.000 Like, articulate for me how much you love yourself.

00:24:49.000 It's impossible for anybody to ever express it in a way that someone who doesn't have daughters would ever understand, or sons, or children.

00:24:57.000 Totally.

00:24:57.000 And so love is a good analogy because if you can understand how hard it is to articulate that, then you understand that there's another side of that coin, and that there's a community of people somewhere on Earth.

00:25:09.000 That hate you to the exact same degree that you love your children and can't articulate and would do everything they fucking can to end our way of life because we let women go outside and have their skin exposed. 1.00

00:25:22.000 You can say what you want. 0.99

00:25:24.000 You can think what you want.

00:25:25.000 And what's the solution to solve that?

00:25:29.000 It's not books.

00:25:30.000 There's not a single...

00:25:32.000 I could put you in captivity for 14 years, Joe, and I could never convince you not to love your daughters.

00:25:37.000 Yeah, but it's not our job to change.

00:25:40.000 So what I'm saying is, though, is that people think that there's like, oh, you don't have to go over there and you don't have to fight. 0.99

00:25:48.000 Well, fuck that. 0.98

00:25:49.000 At some point, you have to stand up for what you believe in, right? 1.00

00:25:51.000 And when it comes to those people that...

00:26:04.000 But for the other segment that would like nothing more than to end your life and everything you believe in, what's the solution? 0.99

00:26:10.000 It's not fucking books. 0.98

00:26:12.000 What is the solution to try to turn a guy around once they've reached that level of radicalization? 0.98

00:26:18.000 You can't.

00:26:19.000 So you either have to find something or believe in something to the point that you're willing to fight for it.

00:26:24.000 Because here's the deal.

00:26:24.000 We're ex-people.

00:26:26.000 And then there's Y people. 1.00

00:26:27.000 And regardless of what your X is, your Christian, Catholic, whatever, you're an X person, there's somebody who's a Y person. 0.67

00:26:31.000 X and Y people are going to fight. 0.99

00:26:33.000 If you believe in what you believe enough, then to protect that, at some point, you're going to have to go beyond the educational aspect of that.

00:26:40.000 But isn't that only the case in a place like a radicalized part of the world?

00:26:45.000 It's not really the case in America.

00:26:46.000 In America, we have people with different people here.

00:26:49.000 Well, they are, but what are they doing?

00:26:50.000 They're not doing anything.

00:26:51.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:26:52.000 And maybe it's out of fear, and maybe it's out of being outnumbered, maybe it's out of the ideal of the people. 1.00

00:26:57.000 But in America, if you believe some wacky shit, like if you're a Mooney or whatever the fuck you are, we're like, yeah, he's a poor bastard. 0.99

00:27:04.000 He's out there giving money to L. Ron Hubbard. 1.00

00:27:06.000 Who gives a fuck? 0.99

00:27:07.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

00:27:08.000 But we let it go.

00:27:09.000 If I believe that you're crazy is anything for believing in whatever it is, I'm not out there trying to change your mind. 0.99

00:27:14.000 But if you look in your neighbor's window, and you have a daughter, if you looked in your neighbor's window, you saw your neighbor putting on a fucking bomb vest and kneeling towards the east and praying, and you had a rifle, tell me you wouldn't want to put one in his brain right there. 0.99

00:27:30.000 You gotta check the calendar first. 0.99

00:27:32.000 It could be Halloween.

00:27:33.000 So let's not jump to conclusions. 1.00

00:27:35.000 I mean, fuck, Joe. 1.00

00:27:36.000 I'm not saying murder. 1.00

00:27:37.000 Jesus.

00:27:38.000 You're right.

00:27:38.000 You need to come back off the edge a little bit.

00:27:40.000 I get this coffee. 1.00

00:27:42.000 It's this fucking caveman coffee. 1.00

00:27:43.000 Easy. 1.00

00:27:44.000 It's very, very excitable.

00:27:45.000 And again, this is a rabbit hole topic, too.

00:27:47.000 It is a rabbit hole. 0.99

00:27:48.000 You can go round and round and round because people just don't want to say, yes, you should kill that person. 0.99

00:27:53.000 And I get that. 0.98

00:27:54.000 Well, I feel like you should.

00:27:55.000 I have zero problems with ending people like that.

00:28:00.000 But...

00:28:01.000 Where do you draw the line and people like that? 1.00

00:28:05.000 Because you can talk all kinds of shit to me, you can yell at me, you can do all kinds of stuff to me. 1.00

00:28:09.000 Until you come and you grab my girlfriend or shove my mom or something like that, you're safe. 1.00

00:28:15.000 As soon as you cross a line, you're fucked. 1.00

00:28:17.000 Yeah, but when you hear someone talking crazy shit, though, you escalate and you put them in a category. 1.00

00:28:23.000 Like, oh, you might be a problem. 1.00

00:28:24.000 Sure.

00:28:25.000 Now, when you have a whole country filled of you might be a problem, That's when things get real weird, right? 0.53

00:28:30.000 But then the problem is, how do they get to be that?

00:28:33.000 And that's one of the big issues with the United States foreign policy, military intervention, military-industrial complex that keeps fucking with all these different parts of the world and puts good soldiers and good people in jeopardy.

00:28:44.000 And for that, you'll never get an argument from me.

00:28:47.000 You'd be amazed at how many people in the military don't necessarily agree with the foreign policy of the United States of America.

00:28:52.000 That's what I was going to ask.

00:28:53.000 Oh, I know.

00:28:53.000 I've talked to them.

00:28:54.000 I've had emails from them.

00:28:55.000 I mean, I've had a million of those guys.

00:28:57.000 Yeah.

00:28:57.000 And don't get me wrong.

00:28:59.000 I spent the large majority of my adult life in the military, and I disagreed with a fucking large volume of stuff.

00:29:06.000 And where I could push back and impact that, I did.

00:29:09.000 And other times when I couldn't, it's like, you know...

00:29:11.000 What can you do, though?

00:29:12.000 Say, if you're over there and...

00:29:14.000 You're always responsible for your personal actions, right?

00:29:16.000 So, you know, at the end of the day, most people don't know...

00:29:20.000 Right. 0.91

00:29:21.000 In Afghanistan, up in the Konar Valley, which is inaccessible unless you're a fucking reindeer or have a CH-47 and you can go up there, you could ask somebody, hey, where's Osama bin Laden? 0.96

00:29:34.000 And they'll be like, who's Osama bin Laden? 0.96

00:29:35.000 Right.

00:29:36.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:37.000 They're so detached.

00:29:38.000 Remote, yeah.

00:29:39.000 So in those environments or any time that you're actually interfacing with those people or those cultures, they're looking at you as the United States of America.

00:29:47.000 Sure.

00:29:47.000 So I can at least...

00:29:50.000 Conduct myself in a manner that is commensurate with the moral values that I have, regardless of my thoughts about the foreign policy of the country that I'm over there to represent.

00:29:59.000 Company.

00:30:00.000 You could say company.

00:30:00.000 That's right.

00:30:01.000 Well, don't think there's a lot of money.

00:30:03.000 Believe me, there's a lot of money made off the military.

00:30:05.000 That's all that we're in war for.

00:30:07.000 I mean, people think it's to go turn the hearts and plant democracy and all that, but it's only for money and to feed the military-industrial complex.

00:30:15.000 I'll go down the road with you on that a little bit.

00:30:17.000 But that's not the only reason.

00:30:19.000 Who do you think is culpable for Guantanamo Bay terrorists being made?

00:30:23.000 I mean, who do you think is culpable for going in and attacking sovereign countries for oil under the auspices that we're going to find the real terrorists?

00:30:35.000 There are parts of the world where people become a threat, and you have to figure out at what point in time do you step in?

00:30:42.000 Do you allow these people to get nuclear weapons and do what we did to Japan? 0.80

00:30:45.000 Do you allow these people to get to...

00:30:47.000 Look, it wouldn't take much.

00:30:49.000 I mean, one of the things if you read about history is empires fall.

00:30:52.000 All the time.

00:30:53.000 And they always have.

00:30:54.000 And we are an empire. 0.94

00:30:55.000 You know, whether we are a just empire or not is fucking completely debatable. 0.95

00:31:00.000 Yep. 0.90

00:31:01.000 If we fell, there would be a vacuum and it would be filled.

00:31:05.000 It's a matter of who would fill it.

00:31:06.000 And if you can have something like ISIS in 2015, if you can have, like we saw what happened when Libya was overthrown.

00:31:13.000 We saw the dynamic chaos that's going on right now in Iraq. 0.97

00:31:17.000 I mean, they're having a fucking Muslim holy war between the Sunni and the Shiite right now. 0.98

00:31:22.000 Right now, 2015. At ungodly levels that I guarantee you that the modern day media is nicking the 1% of the truth on the ground. 0.99

00:31:30.000 Those guys are fucking insane. 1.00

00:31:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:31:33.000 So this is going on right now.

00:31:35.000 And we assume that because the United States of America is the dominant superpower in the world, because we have so much...

00:31:41.000 And the way we look at things is different.

00:31:43.000 If you walk through the streets of New York and Los Angeles, you're relatively safe, much more safe than any human being has ever been in any other time.

00:31:50.000 We assume that this is static, that this is going to stay this way, but not.

00:31:55.000 As Americans, we also assume it's like that everywhere else.

00:31:58.000 Yes, you're right.

00:31:59.000 That's a very good point.

00:32:00.000 That's a very good point, and that's what sort of dictates our ideas about how the rest of the world should and shouldn't behave, or how we should and shouldn't interface with the rest of the world. 0.99

00:32:09.000 But if some shit went down, a fucking nuclear bomb gets dropped in Chicago, levels the city, the infrastructure gets crushed, the power grid goes down for a couple weeks, chaos, starvation, and then an army attacks. 0.99

00:32:21.000 Whether it's the army attacking with fucking drones or satellites, who knows what the fuck could happen. 1.00

00:32:27.000 But a significantly diminished armed forces, significantly diminished country, the whole world could fucking change overnight. 1.00

00:32:35.000 Overnight! 0.99

00:32:36.000 Overnight!

00:32:37.000 A natural disaster, Yellowstone blows, the whole world changes overnight.

00:32:40.000 And we're living like the Mongols. 1.00

00:32:42.000 I mean, that literally could happen inside of a year.

00:32:45.000 Inside of a year, a whole world could do a total 180. Yep.

00:32:49.000 So, the United States Armed Forces, or any armed forces that is in a position of power that has a moral...

00:32:57.000 A moral and ethical imperative.

00:33:00.000 If they're looking at people like ISIS, they're looking at, regardless of how they were created, regardless of whether or not these guys were formed in Guantanamo Bay, against their will, you gotta figure, like, what's the endgame here, and how do we engineer the future?

00:33:14.000 But do we have a moral and ethical Government or military.

00:33:18.000 I mean, in those ways, it's like, or is it chase and greed?

00:33:22.000 I mean, at that point, I look at it and I go, is our best course then to go out and eradicate people or is it to change our foreign policy and to not be kind of... 0.79

00:33:32.000 Bullish in the world.

00:33:33.000 It's a good question, but you kind of got to deal with what the table is right now in 2015. Yeah, you can't ignore what's at your doorstep, but I think there's truth to what you're- But what do you feel?

00:33:42.000 Yeah.

00:33:42.000 I mean, because you're in it.

00:33:43.000 Well, I'm not in it anymore.

00:33:45.000 I think there's truth to both.

00:33:47.000 Like Joe's saying, if the pizza guy's ringing your doorbell- You know, you might want to go handle that.

00:33:55.000 But at the same time, you know, you need to go and think about, I personally believe you need to think about the things that is causing and shaping the world.

00:34:03.000 Like, let's draw ISIS back. 0.99

00:34:05.000 Where did it come from?

00:34:09.000 Well, didn't we build them to fight Syria? 0.99

00:34:11.000 I wouldn't say we built them to fight Syria, but, like, let's take it back to 9-11, right? 0.73

00:34:15.000 Like, why did we go to Afghanistan in the first place?

00:34:17.000 Why did we go to Iraq?

00:34:18.000 Right.

00:34:19.000 Because we didn't go to Saudi Arabia.

00:34:21.000 The first party was in Iraq.

00:34:23.000 So, as far as Afghanistan, though, like, you want to talk about something that I think, you know, they definitely were...

00:34:28.000 It was not a breeding ground, but it was a place where people felt safe.

00:34:34.000 To go and train to do harm to the United States. 0.81

00:34:37.000 So going there to push that out of Afghanistan, I think was a solid move, right? 1.00

00:34:43.000 But, you know, you fast forward 14 years, and I think we largely self created the problem, right?

00:34:49.000 Because we occupied, we pushed them out. 1.00

00:34:54.000 Now, they're like, fuck. 1.00

00:34:55.000 They learn just like we do. 1.00

00:34:57.000 It's an amazing game of chess.

00:34:59.000 The only difference is playing chess in a drying machine and it's on.

00:35:02.000 So the board's constantly shifting and you've got to keep track of all your pieces.

00:35:05.000 So we went in and invade.

00:35:06.000 We push out.

00:35:08.000 Now they know they're not safe in Afghanistan and they know it's no longer safe to cohabitate in one area. 0.57

00:35:13.000 So what do they do?

00:35:14.000 They disaggregate.

00:35:15.000 And then they get Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:35:17.000 Then they disaggregate.

00:35:18.000 And all the other areas around the world, they start communicating with the internet.

00:35:21.000 So we actually...

00:35:23.000 Made the problem exponentially harder for ourselves with the best of intentions.

00:35:27.000 Or did we have the intention to make it harder for ourselves?

00:35:29.000 Well, obviously, I think you're confusing politicians.

00:35:33.000 I think people are opportunists.

00:35:35.000 And this is like the argument about 9-11 being an inside job.

00:35:38.000 I think it's much, much more likely there was incompetence and then that people capitalize on an opportunity to do something they've always wanted to do.

00:35:47.000 You know that Afghanistan and you know that Dick Cheney and Bush had been talking about going into Iraq and trying to form a strategy for going in Iraq for a long time.

00:35:57.000 9-11 comes around and they're like, look, we got it.

00:35:59.000 Here's our reason.

00:36:01.000 The idea that that was all orchestrated is a very convoluted idea.

00:36:06.000 And I don't necessarily think the facts support it.

00:36:09.000 I think the facts, if you look at human history, it's way more likely that you're dealing with massive incompetence than you're dealing with A massive conspiracy.

00:36:18.000 What do you think about Arab Spring?

00:36:19.000 You ever see Wesley Clark, General Wesley Clark, talk about that, right?

00:36:23.000 Well, I think he's 100% being honest and accurate about that when he's talking about all the different plans and strategies of invading all these different places. 0.99

00:36:30.000 But I think that when something like 9-11 comes around, it's a green light for these assholes. 0.99

00:36:35.000 And before this happened... 0.99

00:36:37.000 I think they just didn't have a real way to do it.

00:36:40.000 I think you've got both, is what I'm trying to say. 0.99

00:36:42.000 I think you've got both incompetence, and then you've got people like Dick Cheney that are clear chicken hawks, and was fucking... 0.99

00:36:48.000 I mean, you can't be any more transparent than a guy that's running a company that rebuilds shit after we blow it up, and then decides to go blow shit up. 0.98

00:36:56.000 I think there's actually a lot of supporting documentation to, like, there being a lot of the chicken hawk stuff, people just standing by. 0.86

00:37:03.000 Like, they want to do stuff, and they're waiting for the impetus where it's going to be the society will be like, yes.

00:37:07.000 They'll be like, yes, okay, you can go do this.

00:37:10.000 Because in a lot of that stuff, in a lot of that, you know, the military machine and... 0.98

00:37:15.000 Once the cart has left the barn, it's a tough fucker to get back in the barn. 0.97

00:37:19.000 So they definitely had plans. 0.98

00:37:20.000 Like, there was pre-existing plans for the invasion of Saudi and even for OIF, you know what I mean? 0.72

00:37:25.000 It definitely existed.

00:37:27.000 What's OIF? Operation Iraqi Freedom.

00:37:29.000 OEF is Afghanistan.

00:37:30.000 They've since changed the names to, I don't know what it is, but...

00:37:33.000 I think it's both.

00:37:34.000 Like, 9-11, is it possible that that was a conspiracy?

00:37:38.000 Sure.

00:37:39.000 Is it plausible?

00:37:40.000 I don't think so. 0.97

00:37:42.000 I believe, exactly you do, the gross incompetence, because I go through the airport all the time and I see the people who are screening me this day, and I know for a fact that it was gross incompetence because the guy's fucking drooling looking at the... 0.96

00:37:55.000 Right. 0.98

00:37:57.000 Right.

00:38:10.000 You might be surprised at how little I think most politicians have any effect over the military themselves.

00:38:17.000 Certainly.

00:38:17.000 I don't think they have a lot of effect over the government either.

00:38:19.000 I think that they're bought, right?

00:38:22.000 And I'm certainly pro-military to a thousand percent.

00:38:25.000 I think that people get tricked and they get put in impossible situations.

00:38:29.000 That's not possible, Tate.

00:38:29.000 You can only be a hundred percent of anything.

00:38:31.000 It can't be a thousand percent, Tate.

00:38:33.000 A hundred percent doesn't exist, Tate.

00:38:35.000 So Tate's king for a day.

00:38:36.000 I was going to ask you about that.

00:38:38.000 What's your first move?

00:38:39.000 You're king for a day.

00:38:40.000 You've got 24 hours to set a policy in place that's going to last for 12 months.

00:38:44.000 You've got 24 hours to do that?

00:38:46.000 Yeah, that's not enough time.

00:38:47.000 Sure it is.

00:38:47.000 I'm going to need a couple weeks.

00:38:49.000 You have 24 hours.

00:38:50.000 I'm going to need to grow the mushrooms.

00:38:52.000 Obama had eight years.

00:38:52.000 I need to figure out how to get them to the Middle East.

00:38:55.000 I'm going to need some time. 0.62

00:38:57.000 I need to figure out a way to starve these people to get them to eat mushrooms. 1.00

00:39:00.000 I'm going to get them covered in chocolate or camel or whatever the fuck they eat. 1.00

00:39:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:39:03.000 But it's a tough question, right? 0.99

00:39:04.000 Because everybody will sit back and they'll tell you how it's fucked up. 0.95

00:39:07.000 But like, alright, what would you do? 0.97

00:39:09.000 What would you do?

00:39:10.000 I think you've got to destabilize corporations and that kind of...

00:39:13.000 What? 0.99

00:39:14.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:39:15.000 This is anarchy talk from a guy who drives a Toyota. 1.00

00:39:18.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:39:19.000 Are you going to ride a camel to work? 1.00

00:39:20.000 How are you getting around destabilizing corporations?

00:39:23.000 I mean, you look at a company like Tesla, you look at anything... 0.99

00:39:26.000 That motherfucker's a corporation. 0.99

00:39:28.000 Yeah, but the idea that... 1.00

00:39:29.000 It's different.

00:39:30.000 If you have a corporation with unabashed drive for profit, you're in a bad place, and that's where we are.

00:39:37.000 And that's what's wrong with our country, for sure.

00:39:40.000 Yeah, when you have unlimited growth, and that's your motto.

00:39:44.000 That's what I'm talking about.

00:39:45.000 That is a real issue.

00:39:46.000 That's a real issue because- So if you have a heart and conscious behind your corporation, that's different.

00:39:49.000 But right now we have politicians that are simply a shadow of corporations. 0.95

00:39:53.000 That's ridiculous. 0.97

00:39:55.000 There's also a problem that when a corporation does something fucked up, the people inside the corporation aren't held responsible like individuals. 0.99

00:40:01.000 They can't be. 0.86

00:40:02.000 You have a diffusion of responsibility.

00:40:04.000 There's too many guys, you know, because you're not a bad guy, you're not a bad guy, I'm not a bad guy, we're all just pushing our pen this way and that way.

00:40:09.000 Right, so you get to a certain number.

00:40:11.000 Okay, like, let's look at Caveman Coffee.

00:40:13.000 Caveman Coffee is a small company, right?

00:40:16.000 Well, what if Caveman Coffee grows to be something like Folgers or Maxwell House, and we find out that you guys are shacking people?

00:40:22.000 Right, but how does that happen?

00:40:24.000 How does a company like Halliburton come about?

00:40:27.000 How does it get from an idea to a few employees?

00:40:31.000 Greed and ego, right?

00:40:32.000 I guess greed is a big one, and then the business model's a big one, right? 0.98

00:40:36.000 And then the ability to justify and rationalize fucked up decisions, right? 0.99

00:40:40.000 The diffusion of responsibility that comes from a large group acting in a fucked up way. 0.99

00:40:45.000 Yep. 0.99

00:40:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:40:47.000 So let me ask you this, because as a decorated veteran who's seen combat, what if you, in hindsight is of course 2020, not criticizing any decisions that have been made, but if you saw what you've seen, and 9-11 happened today,

00:41:04.000 what's the move?

00:41:05.000 What do you do?

00:41:06.000 Do you invade Iraq?

00:41:08.000 You know, I'm guilty of personally believing the spin that was on the Iraq war.

00:41:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:18.000 You believe it currently or you believed it then?

00:41:20.000 No, I believed it at the time.

00:41:21.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:21.000 Well, everybody did.

00:41:22.000 Colin Powell was on TV. He's so credible.

00:41:25.000 And my dad would be like...

00:41:26.000 Everybody's hurt.

00:41:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:28.000 My dad's a Vietnam vet and he'd be like, no, this is fucked. 1.00

00:41:31.000 This has got all... 1.00

00:41:32.000 No way.

00:41:33.000 Your dad thought that.

00:41:34.000 He did.

00:41:34.000 What did he think?

00:41:35.000 What was he saying? 1.00

00:41:36.000 He was just like, no, this is bullshit. 1.00

00:41:37.000 We have no business going in there. 1.00

00:41:38.000 These two aren't connected, right?

00:41:39.000 Because they tried to tie the al-Qaeda from Afghanistan to Iraq.

00:41:42.000 And I would argue with him, you know?

00:41:45.000 And I believed it.

00:41:47.000 I mean, the first target we hit in Iraq was the number one chem bio target in that country. 0.99

00:41:52.000 And it was a fucking agricultural school that was growing tomato plants. 0.98

00:41:59.000 So was that just bad intelligence? 1.00

00:42:02.000 You know, we looked at that target for a couple weeks.

00:42:05.000 We had schematics.

00:42:06.000 We had experts on air conditioning coming and telling us, you know, like, look at this.

00:42:09.000 Look at all the air conditioning that they have.

00:42:11.000 It's like it's for the ventilation system.

00:42:13.000 And now in hindsight, I'm like...

00:42:15.000 It's really hot there in the summer.

00:42:17.000 That's probably why they had all that air conditioning. 0.94

00:42:19.000 Yeah, it gets like 140 fucking degrees, right? 0.96

00:42:20.000 In the shade. 0.91

00:42:21.000 And then like, oh, but look, there's this tube that comes out twice a year, which is to the greenhouse.

00:42:29.000 So, I mean, not only did I believe it, but we were pursuing it as we were going after chem-bio stuff.

00:42:36.000 Now, in hindsight...

00:42:39.000 I don't think I would have myself personally, if I was king for the day, I wouldn't have invaded either.

00:42:44.000 If I could use modern day technology, and this is still what I think I personally would do today, is I would pull back all the U.S. forces in Afghanistan and the ones that are near Iraq.

00:42:54.000 And instead of occupying, which has been proven to be ineffective time and time and time again...

00:43:00.000 And creates enemies.

00:43:01.000 Oh my God.

00:43:02.000 Not just ineffective, but effective in creating enemies.

00:43:05.000 Yeah.

00:43:06.000 You know, it's like, look at the Russians. 1.00

00:43:07.000 Death by a thousand paper cuts, right? 0.72

00:43:09.000 Way worse than a blow to the head that ends it, you know, initially.

00:43:12.000 So I would pull that out and not go down that road.

00:43:14.000 And I would go very, very surgically.

00:43:17.000 And I would...

00:43:19.000 I would develop the intelligence to be certain of the people that we're looking for.

00:43:24.000 You know, you got to leverage the assets.

00:43:26.000 And so sometimes you might be wrong with these surgical strikes, but I'm okay with that.

00:43:29.000 But I would go surgically as opposed to occupying.

00:43:32.000 And I would leverage all the resources to do it that way, as opposed to putting an infrastructure in place that costs billions of dollars to support. 0.99

00:43:39.000 Because you're a goddamn American, Andy Stumpf. 0.99

00:43:41.000 Last I checked, yes I was. 1.00

00:43:43.000 Not like these cocksuckers that put us into this. 1.00

00:43:46.000 Goddamn. 1.00

00:43:46.000 And that's the American servicemen. 1.00

00:43:48.000 But I'm looking at this from 15 years.

00:43:51.000 Exactly.

00:43:52.000 I'm looking at this in the rearview mirror, and I was just as guilty. 0.99

00:43:55.000 I'm like, fucking goddammit, Osama bin Laden is in Baghdad. 0.99

00:43:58.000 That's where everybody thought he was. 0.99

00:44:00.000 No, not at all.

00:44:01.000 But you know what I mean?

00:44:01.000 They made the connection.

00:44:02.000 They made the connection that Al-Qaeda has a loose connection.

00:44:06.000 Loosely as it was. 0.99

00:44:08.000 You know, again, it's, fuck hindsight, it's 20-20, but again, you just can't occupy. 0.97

00:44:12.000 You cannot occupy because it doesn't work. 0.98

00:44:14.000 Now, do you believe that, like, so when you say you go in and you kind of change policies and you're working assets that are there, you get more assets if you're judicious, right?

00:44:22.000 You get more assets.

00:44:24.000 Do you believe in a universal justice and harmony in that way of, like, if America's behaving in a proper and appropriate way in the world, yeah, there's going to be radical assholes that are here and there and whatever, but there's going to be assets within those countries that are going, this is working for righteousness for all people.

00:44:38.000 Is that a thing?

00:44:39.000 Or could that be?

00:44:40.000 I don't think that the scales would balance in that regard, because you're talking about the difference between rational thought and irrational thought.

00:44:47.000 And irrational people just take it too far.

00:44:49.000 You know what I mean?

00:44:49.000 You've got a pound on one side, and then an irrational guy's got two pounds.

00:44:53.000 So you could have a million people, you know, rationally thinking, or nine people with fucking box cutters, irrationally thinking, and you can look at what happens. 0.97

00:45:02.000 You know what I mean? 0.96

00:45:02.000 The scales just don't... 0.96

00:45:03.000 They don't balance themselves that way.

00:45:05.000 And the way of human nature is, is you always look at...

00:45:08.000 It's all you only vote for what you don't like you don't really vote for what you like Yeah, you know, it's like that's kind of how we're cut in a way Well, it's easier to point out things that are mistakes.

00:45:16.000 I mean, it's easier for me to articulate bad leadership then be like Good leadership be like he's doing how difficult it is it to to try to formulate correct intelligence about a country on the other side of the planet and And what are you doing to get?

00:45:32.000 That's one of the things that's always gotten me like, what are they using?

00:45:34.000 They're using satellite imagery?

00:45:35.000 They're using knowledge of the architectural schematics of the buildings?

00:45:40.000 We try.

00:45:41.000 CIA guys on the ground.

00:45:42.000 They're not very accurate.

00:45:43.000 Yeah, I mean, what can you do to try to figure out what they're doing?

00:45:48.000 Like, you know, I had this conversation with someone about ISIS. Like, yeah, we need to just go over there and take care of that.

00:45:54.000 I'm like, what are you saying?

00:45:55.000 Like, where are they?

00:45:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:45:56.000 So go ahead, draw me a map of where this ISIS that you'd like to have taken care of is, and when you realize it's populated across multiple countries, and they communicate over an electronic medium that we can't control, and they don't get together because they understand what happens when they do get together. 0.96

00:46:10.000 Communicate through fucking photographs that you can send on Instagram. 0.91

00:46:13.000 They could send a photograph on Instagram or on YouTube. 0.99

00:46:16.000 They could send a video and have metadata in that photo that they have to take it and they send it through a filter and they figure out what you're trying to say.

00:46:24.000 You could send them a picture in an email. 0.95

00:46:26.000 Hey, man, just chilling here in fucking Canoga Park, eating a sub, you know, and have you smile with a meatball sub. 0.97

00:46:32.000 And there's metadata in that they can transcribe. 0.99

00:46:34.000 Right. 0.99

00:46:35.000 And then they figure out what the fucking message is. 0.99

00:46:37.000 I mean, that was a lot of how they were communicating back and forth was with encrypted data. 0.99

00:46:42.000 And their savagery is almost like Genghis Khan's savagery. 0.95

00:46:47.000 Like 5,000 guys are going in and turning a city of 50,000 away and they're running before they get there.

00:46:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:46:55.000 People aren't confronting them at all.

00:46:56.000 I mean, they put dudes in cages with a trail of gasoline and light them on fire. 1.00

00:46:59.000 Goddamn. 0.99

00:47:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:00.000 Damn, dude. 1.00

00:47:01.000 And they filmed it in slow motion. 1.00

00:47:03.000 Yeah.

00:47:04.000 I mean, they use high-tech equipment. 0.98

00:47:06.000 That's the other thing, is that they have access to equipment and high-tech technology that, you know, technology has reached such an incredible level that the average person has access to some pretty fucking significant shit. 0.62

00:47:20.000 And if you're an evil person on the other side of the planet, you can keep track of a lot of stuff that's going on. 0.94

00:47:27.000 I mean, drones? 0.99

00:47:28.000 Fucking anybody could buy a drone now. 0.98

00:47:30.000 You could have drones up in the air with video cameras. 0.98

00:47:33.000 A lot of guys are good at them.

00:47:34.000 Yeah.

00:47:34.000 I mean, they operate on cell phones.

00:47:36.000 You know, they have drones now that work on virtual reality headsets.

00:47:39.000 I've used them. 0.98

00:47:40.000 You put a virtual reality headset on, and you have a drone flying around, you fucking see everything. 0.98

00:47:45.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:47:45.000 I mean, there's so much that we can do now as regular consumers. 0.93

00:47:50.000 You've got to imagine with the amount of money that a group like ISIS has.

00:47:53.000 I mean, they've been stealing money for a long time now. 0.99

00:47:56.000 They have fucking billions of dollars. 0.94

00:47:58.000 And that's why I think occupation doesn't work. 0.98

00:48:00.000 I mean, it may have a presence at a base nearby so you can have a staging point, but I think we're...

00:48:07.000 I think that everything has changed from...

00:48:09.000 I don't think you're going to see these mature battle areas anymore.

00:48:13.000 Mature areas of war because it's all going to be surgical.

00:48:16.000 At least I hope.

00:48:17.000 Because, again, that's the direction that I would go with it.

00:48:19.000 I mean, it's lower risk than exposing...

00:48:23.000 Large force over a truncated time period and isn't there also a big issue right now with our Drawn out sort of Cold War battle being brought back to life.

00:48:33.000 We've got a real issue now with Russia, right? 0.97

00:48:36.000 I mean this this whole Putin thing it seems It seems like there's a real animosity between Russia and the United States that is rekindled that we didn't feel for decades.

00:48:48.000 You know, Putin has kind of brought this back to life.

00:48:51.000 And strategically, if he should decide to align himself with people that are the friends of ISIS, like not necessarily ISIS themselves, but just close enough and close enough proximity that he can sort of fuel that fire,

00:49:06.000 Whether it's with information, with strategy, with money, arms, equipment, like nuclear bombs.

00:49:12.000 I mean, that's the ultimate, right? 0.99

00:49:13.000 That's what everyone's more terrified of than anything, is that some radicalized Crazy fucking group gets a hold of a bomb and decides to blow Paris up or decides to blow whatever. 0.99

00:49:23.000 Can you imagine that? 0.99

00:49:24.000 Downtown New York and somebody clocks one of those things off.

00:49:26.000 Look, that's the spot, right?

00:49:27.000 New York is the spot if you want to get a lot of attention.

00:49:29.000 They've hit it twice, right?

00:49:31.000 That's the spot.

00:49:33.000 That's the epicenter of attention for terror in the world. 0.98

00:49:36.000 If you want to really make a fucking big splash, you go to New York. 0.98

00:49:40.000 Bin Laden's been there twice. 0.99

00:49:42.000 Allegedly.

00:49:43.000 Who knows?

00:49:44.000 Moves like a ghost.

00:49:45.000 He'll be still alive.

00:49:47.000 Tate loves this Bin Laden. 0.96

00:49:49.000 Like Tupac.

00:49:50.000 Yeah.

00:49:50.000 It could be like Tupac.

00:49:51.000 I mean, look, there was a great article from fucking during when Bin Laden was involved with the Mujahideen. 0.90

00:49:59.000 I forget what publication it was in, but somebody posted it recently, and it was when Bin Laden was our ally. 0.89

00:50:04.000 And there was this, like...

00:50:07.000 Puff piece on Bin Laden and how important it is that Bin Laden... 0.78

00:50:11.000 See if you can find that, Jamie, if you can find it.

00:50:14.000 It was during the time when Russia was invading Afghanistan and we were arming the Mujahideen and we were...

00:50:23.000 Training them and helping them to fend off the Soviet Union.

00:50:26.000 Because we don't want a Russian pipeline.

00:50:28.000 Yeah.

00:50:29.000 It's a classic enemy of our enemy.

00:50:31.000 Exactly.

00:50:32.000 This scenario is what played out.

00:50:33.000 Exactly.

00:50:34.000 And they were making it out like this guy who was CIA trained, this guy Osama bin Laden, was, you know, was a real hero.

00:50:42.000 And then turned on America.

00:50:45.000 And, you know, to them, it's the best piece of evidence ever.

00:50:49.000 If you look at the way we respected and trained and thought of Osama bin Laden, and then Osama bin Laden became our number one enemy.

00:50:57.000 It's the best piece of evidence that the United States is evil and corrupt to them.

00:51:02.000 I mean, it's like, look, this is the guy that was your number one guy over there.

00:51:07.000 He was the guy that you trained to fight off the Russians. 0.98

00:51:09.000 And now he's saying, you know, the Russians were a problem.

00:51:11.000 The United States is a bigger problem.

00:51:13.000 This is the real problem.

00:51:14.000 And then, boom.

00:51:16.000 It's the story of the prodigal sin gone bad.

00:51:18.000 Yeah.

00:51:18.000 Do you think that they, what is your thought on the Osama Bin Laden, the killing of Osama Bin Laden and dumping him in the ocean?

00:51:26.000 Two thumbs up.

00:51:27.000 But no, I would imagine that.

00:51:29.000 But I mean, do you think that definitely happened?

00:51:31.000 Because I've talked to guys, I've talked to special ops guys that don't even believe that happened.

00:51:35.000 They go, I think that guy was dead.

00:51:37.000 They like, we think that guy was dead for a while.

00:51:39.000 And they think that that's why there's no pictures of him.

00:51:44.000 There's no, there's no anything.

00:51:45.000 There are plenty of pictures of him.

00:51:47.000 No.

00:51:47.000 But I know guys who have first hand.

00:51:49.000 He sounds like UFO people.

00:51:51.000 I've seen the photos.

00:51:52.000 Yes.

00:51:53.000 And 747s when they fly over are spraying chemical contrails as well, too.

00:51:56.000 It's not just the condensation in the air.

00:51:59.000 Chemical contrails!

00:52:00.000 No, I haven't personally seen them.

00:52:02.000 I wasn't there.

00:52:02.000 I had left the command long before that actually happened.

00:52:05.000 But if talking to people that were there...

00:52:07.000 I have no reason to doubt the people that I have talked to that were physically present when it happened.

00:52:13.000 So you've talked to people that were there as it happened?

00:52:16.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:52:16.000 So you 100% buy the official narrative?

00:52:19.000 Yep.

00:52:20.000 Okay.

00:52:20.000 I'll abandon my conspiracy.

00:52:22.000 I mean, it changes things when it's like, I know my best friend was standing there.

00:52:27.000 Well, the conspiracy is that he was already dead and that they were waiting for a strategic time to...

00:52:32.000 Yeah, but what's the value of killing Osama bin Laden?

00:52:34.000 Well, it was when the election, when the re-election was happening.

00:52:37.000 Okay, so you think it was purely political play.

00:52:40.000 That's the conspiracy theory?

00:52:42.000 Well, the theory comes about because why do you make his body disappear so nobody can ever see that?

00:52:47.000 There's not genetic testing, all that.

00:52:49.000 So there was DNA taken.

00:52:52.000 Okay.

00:52:53.000 And I can tell you the reasons that I was told is, you know, by leaving the body there, it would have basically turned that into a new, I don't want to say Mecca because that's the wrong word, but a new shrine to whatever he stood for.

00:53:05.000 So they removed the body, gave it the Muslim burial that it deserved or did not, depending on, you know, which way you swing on that opinion.

00:53:12.000 What's the Muslim burial?

00:53:14.000 I think it, I'm not an expert on it, but I believe it requires a certain amount of washing.

00:53:18.000 You have to be shrouded in a certain way.

00:53:20.000 Okay, yeah.

00:53:20.000 I mean, I would rather have that.

00:53:22.000 I would rather either cremate the body and get rid of it somewhere or put it somewhere that people can't go to and worship some douchebag. 0.99

00:53:30.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:53:31.000 Well, if you look at what's happened since then, it was effective.

00:53:34.000 Because even though, I mean, he is a revered guy in that culture, there isn't a spot.

00:53:41.000 Where you can go to that they think of as this holy spot where he died.

00:53:46.000 And even though he has been a martyr, there's no images they put around social media.

00:53:50.000 So they did mitigate that.

00:53:52.000 And so by not releasing the images, I think it's better.

00:53:55.000 I know for a fact that they did DNA testing.

00:53:58.000 He has relatives that have come to the U.S. It wouldn't be impossible to get a DNA strand that you could match back to the guy.

00:54:05.000 As far as the execution goes, I think it went really well.

00:54:09.000 Did it have a political gain?

00:54:10.000 I think you can't argue that it didn't.

00:54:12.000 It definitely did, but in my own mind, I don't know if that's enough to justify a conspiracy. 0.98

00:54:17.000 Maybe I'm an idiot, but I buy the... 0.95

00:54:19.000 No, the official narrative makes sense. 1.00

00:54:22.000 Conspiracies are fun.

00:54:23.000 I get excited about them.

00:54:25.000 I think that's what gets people wrapped up in Bigfoot or chemtrails or moon landing. 0.99

00:54:32.000 For sure, going into Iraq, you're like, for sure that's bullshit. 1.00

00:54:37.000 Like, for sure. 1.00

00:54:38.000 Now I say that.

00:54:39.000 I wasn't saying that.

00:54:40.000 But there's enough stuff where billions of dollars goes towards that.

00:54:44.000 The devastation of millions of people and all that stuff for naught.

00:54:49.000 Not for the just cause that we think of it.

00:54:51.000 How about what we know about for sure?

00:54:54.000 Like the negotiation of the hostages in Iran during the Carter administration.

00:55:00.000 They made sure those hostages were not released until after Reagan was president.

00:55:04.000 That's a fact.

00:55:05.000 We all know that.

00:55:06.000 We all know that for political gain, they left those Americans entrapped.

00:55:10.000 We know that.

00:55:11.000 Let's be honest.

00:55:12.000 If anybody thinks a politician is out for anything other than themselves or their own things that are good for them, then you're probably operating from not a really good standpoint.

00:55:21.000 You say that, but have you seen Bernie Sanders' photo of him with Jesus? 0.99

00:55:24.000 Because I don't know what the fuck you're talking about now. 1.00

00:55:26.000 Now you're talking crazy. 1.00

00:55:27.000 Jesus is literally his homeboy. 0.91

00:55:30.000 I have the same picture in my office, Joe.

00:55:32.000 You don't?

00:55:32.000 I'm getting one.

00:55:33.000 There's a guy who's making them.

00:55:34.000 He's making prints.

00:55:35.000 We're going to hang it up in the office.

00:55:36.000 And Carson, you mean?

00:55:37.000 What did I say?

00:55:38.000 I said Bernie Sanders.

00:55:39.000 Bernie Sanders?

00:55:39.000 Did I say Bernie Sanders?

00:55:40.000 Damn it. 1.00

00:55:41.000 They're all crazy to me. 1.00

00:55:42.000 They're all interchangeable. 0.95

00:55:43.000 I should have said Hillary Clinton.

00:55:45.000 You've achieved another level of love when you do an abstract watercolor painting of Jesus holding your shoulder.

00:55:50.000 It's not abstract.

00:55:52.000 It's as it happened to Ben.

00:55:53.000 Oh, okay, got it.

00:55:54.000 It was actually just sketched in life, not Bernie Sanders.

00:55:57.000 I think that we need a Brian Stan president next, really, because I feel like the next president, if Putin is the real deal, and he is, man.

00:56:05.000 That dude is a G. He's scary.

00:56:07.000 You need to have a guy as president that's willing to get on a horse and joust him to death. 0.84

00:56:13.000 Or something like that.

00:56:14.000 Like, you gotta have somebody viable up there. 0.99

00:56:16.000 It can't be these fucking people that are available now for us. 0.99

00:56:20.000 That's not gonna work. 0.99

00:56:21.000 Well, could you imagine what, like, if Putin and Obama had a fight to the death, how embarrassed we would be?

00:56:26.000 That would be horrible.

00:56:26.000 Embarrassing.

00:56:26.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:56:27.000 We need Brian Stanton out there.

00:56:28.000 How quickly would Putin trip Obama and have him on his back and just be beating his brains in?

00:56:32.000 I can't believe you actually had to make that analogy.

00:56:34.000 It's gonna be stuck in my head.

00:56:35.000 It's just what it would happen.

00:56:36.000 I love the idea of the clench up, trip, boom, on his back, mount, full mount, elbows to the eye sockets, just death.

00:56:44.000 It would be horrible. 0.99

00:56:45.000 I mean, we would never grow our dicks back in America. 0.99

00:56:48.000 Is that a problem? 0.98

00:56:49.000 I mean, do we need a leader that knows how to fight?

00:56:52.000 Yes, everybody.

00:56:53.000 It's a duty to know how to fight.

00:56:54.000 When was the last time we had one?

00:56:54.000 Teddy Roosevelt?

00:56:55.000 Yep.

00:56:56.000 Who was the last guy?

00:56:56.000 Ronald Reagan was...

00:56:58.000 Probably like a guy that you would think of as being a tough guy, but he probably goes down quick. 1.00

00:57:03.000 He's a pussy. 1.00

00:57:04.000 Yeah, I think he pretended to be a tough guy due to his Thessian background. 1.00

00:57:08.000 So who else?

00:57:08.000 George W. Herbert Walker.

00:57:11.000 Yeah, he killed a bunch of motherfuckers. 1.00

00:57:12.000 Put a fucking knife in your ear. 1.00

00:57:13.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:57:14.000 He would kill you with a pen. 0.94

00:57:17.000 He's probably got special pens made. 0.99

00:57:19.000 The first G Bush? 0.94

00:57:20.000 Yeah, the old dude.

00:57:21.000 Yeah, he was the head of the CIA. Yeah, that dude was badass.

00:57:24.000 Numbers and killing people. 0.74

00:57:25.000 Yeah, he was legit.

00:57:26.000 So who else?

00:57:27.000 George W? No.

00:57:28.000 But you look at...

00:57:29.000 Yeah, it's so sad.

00:57:30.000 It is Teddy Roosevelt.

00:57:31.000 George W. But you look at Hugo Chavez, Putin, you look at all these other leaders, they're... 1.00

00:57:37.000 You're like, that dude's probably about some shit. 0.99

00:57:39.000 You look at our guys and you're like, that's an impotent old dude. 1.00

00:57:41.000 Bill Clinton, I bet, could make some fucking phone calls. 1.00

00:57:44.000 That's true. 1.00

00:57:44.000 He might not be able to kill you himself, but I bet Bill Clinton makes some phone calls. 1.00

00:57:47.000 And he would charm the socks off you. 0.81

00:57:49.000 I don't know about all that.

00:57:50.000 Come on! 0.61

00:57:51.000 I don't think so.

00:57:53.000 I know too much.

00:57:55.000 I know too much.

00:57:55.000 I look at his eyes.

00:57:56.000 I would see him. 1.00

00:57:58.000 McDonald's eating, fucking jogging, motherfucker. 1.00

00:58:00.000 Jogging? 1.00

00:58:01.000 I'm mad at him for jogging.

00:58:02.000 I remember the old days.

00:58:03.000 I remember the old days. 1.00

00:58:04.000 I don't give a fuck with this new vegan Clinton. 1.00

00:58:06.000 This new guy was buying the China study, which, by the way, has been disproved, Bill. 1.00

00:58:10.000 That's crazy.

00:58:10.000 Go read into it.

00:58:11.000 Yeah, what's his name?

00:58:12.000 Bias information, sir.

00:58:13.000 Calum used to be into that all the time.

00:58:15.000 I'm like, are you serious?

00:58:16.000 The China study?

00:58:16.000 Yeah.

00:58:16.000 He would post shit like that.

00:58:17.000 I'm like, you need to read more books. 0.99

00:58:19.000 Well, the China study makes some good points about the American diet.

00:58:22.000 The typical American diet is terrible.

00:58:24.000 But it's just like all that other stuff.

00:58:25.000 It's like conspiracies.

00:58:26.000 It's like there's enough truth mixed in with all this other stuff.

00:58:29.000 Yeah, well, it's just bias information.

00:58:31.000 You know, you bias sampling.

00:58:32.000 Pick the stuff that you want that supports your idea.

00:58:35.000 Look, good food is good for you.

00:58:37.000 You know, eat a lot of vegetables is great for you.

00:58:39.000 But eat only vegetables?

00:58:41.000 There's not really a lot of evidence that says that's the way to go.

00:58:43.000 Right.

00:58:43.000 Unless you have a specific bio-situation, you know, like some people do have issues.

00:58:49.000 Every five million people in the U.S. Not that many.

00:58:52.000 It's like statistics, man.

00:58:53.000 Statistics.

00:58:54.000 Yeah, I mean, I know people that like their body processes fish better.

00:58:57.000 They eat meat.

00:58:57.000 They fart too much.

00:58:58.000 They don't like it.

00:59:00.000 Yeah.

00:59:01.000 You can justify any argument you want with a little study.

00:59:04.000 I feel like you just made that out.

00:59:05.000 Tate's face!

00:59:06.000 I feel like that's not true.

00:59:08.000 I'm just stuck on Tate.

00:59:10.000 The conspiracy!

00:59:12.000 Yeah, well, people love conspiracies, man. 1.00

00:59:14.000 Hey, listen, you just admitted that you fucked up about Iraq, so you can't tell me shit. 0.99

00:59:18.000 No, I admitted others fucked up and I was unwittingly caught up in the net. 1.00

00:59:22.000 Your mind fucked you. 1.00

00:59:25.000 I don't unwittingly get caught up in that. 1.00

00:59:27.000 No, I'll be the first to admit it.

00:59:27.000 We're just very lucky Eddie Bravo's not here right now.

00:59:29.000 Oh, he would tell you about chemtrails.

00:59:31.000 Oh, my God.

00:59:32.000 That's why I brought that up.

00:59:33.000 I heard somebody talking about it the other day.

00:59:34.000 Oh, my God.

00:59:35.000 Like, while pointing at the aircraft that's apparently spraying agricultural stuff.

00:59:39.000 I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:59:39.000 Southwest Airlines.

00:59:41.000 Yeah.

00:59:41.000 Well, it's this guy, Mick West, that runs a site called Metabunk.

00:59:46.000 It's a debunking website. 0.98

00:59:48.000 It explains in very objective detail why most conspiracies are bullshit. 0.98

00:59:56.000 And that's why it's called Metabunk. 0.98

00:59:59.000 And he calls it the training wheels of conspiracies.

01:00:02.000 He's like, because it's right there.

01:00:04.000 It's up in the sky.

01:00:05.000 And, you know, you think about your childhood and you go, I don't remember those being there when I was young.

01:00:09.000 And you just decide that they weren't there.

01:00:11.000 Look at those photos from, like, old Clint Eastwood movies where there's contrails in the background or contrails in the background.

01:00:16.000 Not on a Western, Joe?

01:00:18.000 Yes.

01:00:18.000 No, they didn't have planes back there.

01:00:19.000 I know, I know, but that's what's fucked up. 1.00

01:00:21.000 These dummies, they're out there doing films and above them in the sky is fucking contrails. 1.00

01:00:27.000 They're like, that's a curious clown. 1.00

01:00:29.000 That was a gassy oxen. 0.95

01:00:31.000 Well, there's real conspiracies, right?

01:00:33.000 I believe in all of them.

01:00:35.000 Well, the best one is...

01:00:36.000 You're joking, right?

01:00:37.000 All of them.

01:00:37.000 Of course he is.

01:00:38.000 Stop it.

01:00:38.000 Of course he is.

01:00:40.000 There's no way you could know everything, right?

01:00:43.000 That's part of the problem.

01:00:44.000 Sure.

01:00:44.000 There's no way.

01:00:45.000 And we know that people have done some devious shit in order to make money. 0.99

01:00:48.000 Steady. 0.99

01:00:48.000 In order to cover their tracks, or in order to... 0.99

01:00:52.000 Agendas of whatever nature.

01:00:53.000 Yeah.

01:00:53.000 That's why when someone finds out about something like weapons of mass destruction in Iraq not being real, and they immediately go to the conspiracy angle, where a guy like you, who was on the ground, can say, well look, we really thought that was the case.

01:01:09.000 And it's really hard to gather up that information.

01:01:11.000 I mean, it's embarrassing to say looking back, but that's where our head was at.

01:01:16.000 Those are guys on the ground.

01:01:17.000 It's easy to convince guys on the ground to stuff.

01:01:19.000 I'm saying the guys that put you on the ground.

01:01:21.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:01:22.000 It's like they knew they had evidence, they had data that they couldn't find it.

01:01:27.000 What?

01:01:28.000 They said there's no evidence that there's weapons of mass destruction there. 1.00

01:01:32.000 Time and time again, that's why What's-Her-Name-The-CIA agent got outed by those motherfuckers. 0.99

01:01:38.000 Yeah, that was by Ken Starr, right? 0.99

01:01:40.000 And Scooter Libby and all that. 1.00

01:01:41.000 Who was it?

01:01:41.000 Yeah.

01:01:42.000 And so there's that, right?

01:01:44.000 Because her husband was supposed to come back with evidence, and George says, I want you to find weapons of mass destruction here.

01:01:51.000 And he's like, there's just not.

01:01:52.000 And then she's an undercover CIA operative, and they out her in Africa while she's undercover. 0.82

01:01:58.000 Wasn't that right when the war was kicking off?

01:02:00.000 Valerie Plume.

01:02:01.000 Valerie Plume.

01:02:02.000 Yeah.

01:02:02.000 Wow, man, you got a steel trap for memory over there, Joe.

01:02:05.000 I remember some shit. 1.00

01:02:06.000 She lives in Santa Fe. 1.00

01:02:07.000 Does she?

01:02:07.000 Yeah.

01:02:08.000 Why are you out?

01:02:09.000 Jesus Christ, Tate.

01:02:10.000 What's her address, Tate?

01:02:11.000 Jesus.

01:02:11.000 Yeah, what does she do daily?

01:02:12.000 Well, she's out there by the Rio Grande Valley.

01:02:16.000 She's not into Zumo.

01:02:17.000 She does CrossFit, okay?

01:02:18.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:02:19.000 Which I've heard is Joe's favorite, but that's one of my favorite things to do.

01:02:22.000 He just doesn't know enough.

01:02:25.000 Well, I do a lot of the exercises that they do in CrossFit.

01:02:27.000 I understand that, Joe.

01:02:28.000 You're a CrossFit guy, right?

01:02:30.000 Sometimes.

01:02:31.000 I worked for the company for eight years.

01:02:33.000 For CrossFit?

01:02:34.000 Yeah.

01:02:34.000 What's up with the number one dude being fat?

01:02:37.000 He's in good shape.

01:02:38.000 I just saw him this summer.

01:02:39.000 There's no way he's in good shape.

01:02:40.000 Yeah, he looks great. 1.00

01:02:41.000 Not like this, motherfucker. 1.00

01:02:42.000 Come on. 1.00

01:02:43.000 Who's like that?

01:02:44.000 You know, it's...

01:02:45.000 I like it when you do the one bicep and then the other.

01:02:49.000 This and then this.

01:02:50.000 That's old school. 0.99

01:02:51.000 How he did that, that was fucking nice. 0.98

01:02:54.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:02:54.000 The program came from between his ears. 0.99

01:02:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:02:57.000 Oh, okay.

01:02:58.000 So it's knowledge as opposed to a lot of experience doing it.

01:03:03.000 That dude is a G, though, man.

01:03:04.000 He's changed the lives and he's changed the face of fitness for everybody.

01:03:10.000 If you want to talk about somebody that has exacted change upon the American population and diets, that's the guy.

01:03:15.000 He's definitely done some.

01:03:16.000 He's done it in a huge, huge way.

01:03:17.000 But his company has done it, right?

01:03:19.000 And then when people see him, they go, hey, how come you don't look like you do it?

01:03:25.000 I mean, it's a tough one.

01:03:26.000 I don't know what he would say if you asked him straight to his face.

01:03:29.000 I don't know what he would say if you asked him, do you partake in CrossFit workouts?

01:03:33.000 Well, he's got like a bad body, right?

01:03:34.000 There's something wrong with him, right?

01:03:35.000 He's got a bum leg.

01:03:37.000 Yeah, and he was a bicyclist, right?

01:03:39.000 That was what he...

01:03:40.000 He was a gymnast.

01:03:40.000 He has a passion for bicycling.

01:03:43.000 Right.

01:03:43.000 I don't think he ever did it competitively.

01:03:45.000 And you used to fly for him or something?

01:03:47.000 I did.

01:03:48.000 I started off...

01:03:48.000 You could fly planes.

01:03:49.000 I got about 3,000 hours.

01:03:50.000 Fly me some jets.

01:03:51.000 Wow. 1.00

01:03:52.000 I dabble in a lot of useless shit. 1.00

01:03:53.000 So you worked for the company for a long time? 1.00

01:03:55.000 For four years, I taught at the seminars.

01:03:57.000 Just teach, like...

01:03:59.000 Basically spreading Greg's conceptual foundation all over the world.

01:04:03.000 Went all over and then I managed the licensing and sponsorship deals when I came back off the military deployment in 2010. So I managed the Reebok deal that CrossFit has.

01:04:12.000 And then started flying again and then flew him for like three years as well too.

01:04:17.000 So I was in the military doing all that double dipping while I was in.

01:04:20.000 What is your feeling on CrossFit?

01:04:23.000 You can't argue with the effectiveness of the methodology.

01:04:27.000 Like, it totally works.

01:04:28.000 I mean, the days of pumping iron and Arnold Schwarzenegger were awesome.

01:04:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:04:34.000 And I'd rather have people do that than sit on the couch and eat Doritos.

01:04:38.000 But I think the argument for functional fitness and the ability to actually be able to do something with all the hard work you're doing, you can't argue against it, really, right?

01:04:46.000 It's form over physique.

01:04:48.000 And I need to be able to do it to do the activities that I still do. 0.99

01:04:52.000 Like, I'm outside all day long, you know, eating shit all the time. 0.91

01:04:56.000 So yeah, I mean, again, long answer to a short question. 0.98

01:05:01.000 I do it, yeah.

01:05:02.000 The argument against it by guys who are very knowledgeable about strength and conditioning is that you shouldn't do powerlifting exercises for a large amount of reps, and that it's damaging for the body.

01:05:12.000 That's like what Steve Maxwell says.

01:05:14.000 He says Olympic lifting, not powerlifting.

01:05:16.000 There's a distinction. 1.00

01:05:17.000 Okay, well, deadlifts and cleans, like that kind of shit. 0.99

01:05:21.000 That's powerlifting, right? 0.99

01:05:22.000 Cleans and snatches are.

01:05:23.000 Powerlifting is more like deadlifting.

01:05:24.000 Olympic lifting is like the dynamic opening and closing, like the snatch, the cram, all that stuff.

01:05:28.000 I mean, can you go overboard?

01:05:30.000 Sure, but you can kill yourself drinking too much water, too.

01:05:33.000 I mean, you've got to put that in perspective.

01:05:34.000 Well, Maxwell's problem with it has always been that it's a competition for exercise where he feels like exercise should be used to get you in better shape for competition.

01:05:44.000 And that having a competition out of lifting weights for a bunch of repetitions is silly.

01:05:49.000 It is silly, but I would also say that's a bastardization of what the company actually stands for.

01:05:54.000 The competition aspect was in a group classroom setting.

01:05:58.000 And if you take that and expand it beyond that, it stops making sense at an exponential rate.

01:06:03.000 It was just about...

01:06:04.000 Putting, you know, a number on a board and holding you accountable for your performance.

01:06:09.000 Right.

01:06:09.000 And if you're racing, if all three of us are doing, if I'm doing something by myself that has a time component to it, and then you two come in the room and we're all going to do it together, you know damn well I'm like, how's Joe doing over there?

01:06:19.000 Right, right.

01:06:20.000 So it's not necessarily you're competing in exercise.

01:06:22.000 It was the competition aspect of the workouts that would enhance, not enhance, but drive people to perform.

01:06:28.000 It brings you into a deeper level of yourself.

01:06:30.000 It also gets people excited.

01:06:32.000 Yeah.

01:06:32.000 Right.

01:06:33.000 It was never supposed to be about competing in exercise.

01:06:35.000 So that's a slight misunderstanding of what the concept of the program is supposed to be about.

01:06:40.000 People think the CrossFit Games is CrossFit and they make collusion with those and that's just not true.

01:06:45.000 It's an erroneous idea.

01:06:47.000 The idea of CrossFit is getting somebody to not die of diabetes anymore.

01:06:52.000 The idea of CrossFit is to change people's lives and to have that spread through communities and go, God, my mom's doing this and now she dropped 50 pounds and she stopped taking insulin. 0.96

01:07:01.000 I thought the idea of CrossFit is just not being able to shut the fuck up about CrossFit all the time.

01:07:05.000 That's what we're doing. 0.61

01:07:06.000 That's how you know you're a CrossFitter.

01:07:09.000 But that's jujitsu, too.

01:07:10.000 Exactly.

01:07:11.000 All the best stuff is culty, right?

01:07:13.000 And I think that ideas like Maxwell spreading, from what I'm hearing in that way, is just bread of ignorance.

01:07:19.000 It's like an idea.

01:07:20.000 What?

01:07:21.000 How dare you? 1.00

01:07:21.000 It's ignorant. 1.00

01:07:22.000 How dare you? 1.00

01:07:23.000 It is.

01:07:24.000 How dare you?

01:07:25.000 Well, I dare because of my education, I guess.

01:07:28.000 Allow me to dare, Joe.

01:07:29.000 That is how I dare.

01:07:30.000 Allow me to dare. 1.00

01:07:31.000 And you know, bitch, you know how I roll? 1.00

01:07:33.000 I walk through this motherfucker daring. 1.00

01:07:35.000 Allow me to dare. 0.99

01:07:38.000 What happened to that dude, that one American guy who, I think he was from Los Angeles, had dropped the weight on his neck?

01:07:44.000 Kevin Ogar?

01:07:44.000 He's paralyzed.

01:07:46.000 And he's got the best goddamn attitude ever. 1.00

01:07:48.000 Like, I saw him this summer, too, and he's a fucking, he is a solid motherfucker. 1.00

01:07:52.000 He's great, dude. 1.00

01:07:53.000 You should talk to him.

01:07:54.000 And the bar landed on his neck, right?

01:07:56.000 It landed on his back.

01:07:58.000 Yeah, it was gnarly.

01:07:59.000 I mean, basically, it was a clean break.

01:08:01.000 Like, I think he was paralyzed from that instant.

01:08:03.000 It wasn't like an onset, and, you know, they're like, oh, we'll wait until the swelling goes down.

01:08:07.000 It was like, yeah.

01:08:08.000 Wow.

01:08:09.000 It's crazy that a bar just dropping on you can do that.

01:08:12.000 It's a perfect set of circumstances.

01:08:15.000 Yeah.

01:08:15.000 It can do that.

01:08:16.000 Yeah.

01:08:17.000 And so there's no hope for him.

01:08:19.000 That's just it?

01:08:21.000 No, he's leading a whole new life.

01:08:22.000 He's got a new epoch in his life and he's leading these athletes that are mitigated by different paralysis and all that.

01:08:29.000 And he's become a symbol of hope and connectedness in this whole other regime.

01:08:37.000 Like in my gym at Undisputed in Santa Fe, we've got four athletes that are in wheelchairs.

01:08:43.000 That compete and that drive, and they get through this, you know, for those, Kevin went right into it, because he was already an athlete, he already had that competition mind, but, you know, a lot of those guys, they have an accident, they go through drugs, they go through suicidal ideas, and then after they're paralyzed for a while,

01:08:58.000 they go, you know what, maybe I'm going to live this way a long time, and maybe I need to change my life, and there's a whole group of community that's doing it.

01:09:06.000 Is he paralyzed from the neck down, the waist down?

01:09:07.000 No, he's the waist down, Kevin is.

01:09:09.000 I tell you, it's amazing to me, though, how people take those, you know, horrible circumstances and it changes their life.

01:09:16.000 He's one of the most beautiful lights ever, man, that guy.

01:09:18.000 I don't think I would go down that road. 0.96

01:09:20.000 I think I'd be looking for salvation in the bottom of a bottle and then just suck starting a pistol in the morning. 1.00

01:09:24.000 Suck starting a pistol. 1.00

01:09:26.000 That's a nice way to put it. 1.00

01:09:28.000 Like, every morning, if that happened to me, I'd be like, toothbrush, six-shooter. 0.99

01:09:32.000 How the fuck did you get involved in this wingsuit craziness? 0.99

01:09:37.000 How the fuck did you tell Tate on a previous podcast you wouldn't jump out of an airplane with me? 0.99

01:09:41.000 Oh, I just won't. 0.98

01:09:44.000 Airplanes are really good for flying, and it's just not a good idea to jump out of them.

01:09:48.000 You got into it because you were a jump instructor, right?

01:09:54.000 How about I let him answer?

01:09:55.000 I like Tate's answers.

01:09:56.000 They're amazing to me.

01:09:58.000 Tate, where was I born?

01:09:59.000 Tell me about where I was born.

01:10:00.000 Tell him about Iraq.

01:10:02.000 Weren't you a jump instructor?

01:10:04.000 Yeah.

01:10:05.000 Yeah.

01:10:06.000 And so is that the first time you started jumping?

01:10:08.000 So I started jumping.

01:10:09.000 You know, SEAL stands for Sea Air Land.

01:10:12.000 So you train for a variety of things.

01:10:13.000 I never knew that.

01:10:15.000 You didn't know that? 1.00

01:10:18.000 I don't know if he's fucking with me or not. 0.99

01:10:20.000 That's honest. 0.99

01:10:20.000 I didn't know that. 0.99

01:10:22.000 That's one of the rare things I did know.

01:10:24.000 Okay.

01:10:24.000 So Sierra land.

01:10:25.000 We're going to focus on the air portion of that.

01:10:27.000 Okay.

01:10:27.000 All right.

01:10:27.000 So, you know, you get to a SEAL team.

01:10:29.000 Keep it together, Tate.

01:10:30.000 Keep it together. 1.00

01:10:31.000 Three of those fucking nitros. 1.00

01:10:33.000 Two cups of regular caveman. 1.00

01:10:35.000 He's not off the tilt.

01:10:36.000 Would you let him talk?

01:10:37.000 Would you let him talk?

01:10:38.000 I'm trying.

01:10:39.000 So, you get to a SEAL team and you're brand new.

01:10:41.000 And nowadays, when you get your trident, the pin that is the designator that makes you a SEAL, you have to go through the jump training before.

01:10:48.000 You go through static line, which is analogous to jumping off the roof of this building with no parachute.

01:10:54.000 To free fall jumping, which is awesome.

01:10:56.000 You're falling through the air and you're like, you know, like the point brick, you know.

01:11:00.000 Point your toes, Johnny, fly!

01:11:02.000 You know, that's the good stuff.

01:11:04.000 So when you get to the SEAL team, though, when I got into 97, because I wasn't free-fall qualified, all we had to do, or all we could do, was static line jump.

01:11:12.000 So we'd get on the plane with the free-fall guys, and they would just sit there and laugh at us as we left the plane at, like, 1,200 feet, on our little parachute, walking off the ramp with our static line, and bam! 0.92

01:11:22.000 And, like, just eat shit into the ground. 0.57

01:11:25.000 And after about a week of that, I'm like, okay... 1.00

01:11:28.000 I've had enough of this static line shit. 0.97

01:11:30.000 So I went out, found a civilian skydiving drop zone by my house and went through the six hours of required ground training and then seven jumps. 0.99

01:11:39.000 It took me all of two days to do that and then started jumping on my own.

01:11:43.000 Got about 500 jumps myself and then challenged the military curriculum.

01:11:48.000 Instead of having to wait the five years to go to get military free fall qualified because I was just tired of augering in on the static line jumps.

01:11:54.000 And then I just really liked it.

01:11:56.000 And then I pursued.

01:11:58.000 Development Group was great for it because they're like, what do you want to do?

01:12:01.000 Explain what Development Group was.

01:12:03.000 Development group is SEAL Team 6. They're, I think in this day and age, largely interchangeable.

01:12:08.000 It didn't used to be like that.

01:12:09.000 But they'd allow you to pursue stuff that you wanted to do.

01:12:11.000 And I had a great boss, and he was like, you like to jump, so you need to go to this school, this school, this school, this school.

01:12:16.000 That's where I learned how to do tandems.

01:12:17.000 It's where...

01:12:19.000 Instead of being the jumper, I was the guy putting the guys out of the aircraft.

01:12:22.000 So it just kind of led to a very diverse jump experience.

01:12:25.000 I've had my toes in a lot of different jump stuff.

01:12:29.000 And then a buddy of mine was like, hey man, you've got to check out these wingsuits.

01:12:32.000 And at first thought, I'm like...

01:12:34.000 Yeah, that looks like you're jumping in a straight jacket, man.

01:12:37.000 Because you're zipped up.

01:12:38.000 You're just, like, wobbling around.

01:12:39.000 You look like a little, you know, a triangle flying through the air.

01:12:43.000 And then I went and I started base jumping.

01:12:45.000 And the guy who taught me how to base jump was just raving about him.

01:12:48.000 I'm like, alright, that's it.

01:12:48.000 I'm gonna go.

01:12:49.000 I'm gonna go figure out how to do this.

01:12:51.000 And so I ordered a suit.

01:12:54.000 I think?

01:13:18.000 So I ordered both at the same time, did seven jumps in the suit that I was wildly underqualified to jump in, and then just put the big one on.

01:13:25.000 And never looked back.

01:13:26.000 What was the first jump like?

01:13:28.000 It wasn't that bad.

01:13:29.000 I was actually, in my head, I thought it was going to be way worse because, I mean, I like to be able to do this, you know, like move around.

01:13:35.000 And in the suit, you're just like...

01:13:37.000 Locked in.

01:13:37.000 You're locked in.

01:13:38.000 I had never exited a plane with all that material.

01:13:41.000 I was afraid I was going to go out and just get smacked up into the tail wing, which is happening.

01:13:45.000 Guys have hit their head and they're just done. 0.99

01:13:47.000 God damn. 1.00

01:13:48.000 Yeah, it happens. 1.00

01:13:49.000 So I was all freaked out and then I go out and it's like laying on an air mattress on your stomach.

01:13:54.000 I just kind of relaxed and I saw the ground moving and I'm like, holy shit, this is awesome. 0.87

01:13:59.000 You're just flying. 0.89

01:14:00.000 You're flying.

01:14:01.000 I was flying really inefficiently.

01:14:03.000 Here we go.

01:14:04.000 Is that you?

01:14:05.000 Yeah.

01:14:05.000 Oh, wow.

01:14:06.000 That's from 36,500 feet.

01:14:08.000 36,500 feet.

01:14:10.000 Do you have oxygen?

01:14:11.000 Oh, yeah.

01:14:12.000 That's the condensation coming out.

01:14:13.000 So the exit I'm about to display for you is not very good.

01:14:17.000 Why?

01:14:19.000 Well, I caught my foot on the door.

01:14:22.000 Oh, so you go upside down.

01:14:24.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:14:24.000 You fucked up. 1.00

01:14:25.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

01:14:26.000 And it gets worse.

01:14:27.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

01:14:28.000 You're spiraling.

01:14:29.000 Wow.

01:14:30.000 How do you correct that?

01:14:32.000 You have to dive the suit.

01:14:33.000 So you got to get the suit diving to get speed.

01:14:36.000 And then I'm like, okay, here we go.

01:14:37.000 So you figured out how to dive down and then that stops the spin?

01:14:43.000 You got to think of the wingsuit like an aircraft wing.

01:14:45.000 If you stall it, it'll spin.

01:14:47.000 So wingsuits like speed.

01:14:49.000 They just want to go fast.

01:14:50.000 The faster it goes, the more power you have.

01:14:52.000 And I can actually gain altitude in my wingsuit.

01:14:54.000 So I can go down and then flare back up and gain a couple hundred feet.

01:14:57.000 How far?

01:14:58.000 You get a couple hundred feet.

01:14:59.000 Can you continually do that?

01:15:01.000 Like when does it end?

01:15:02.000 Like for this particular jump, this was in August.

01:15:05.000 That was 18.25 miles is what I traveled horizontally.

01:15:10.000 Now, do you know what your speed is when you're going?

01:15:13.000 Do you know?

01:15:15.000 Not really.

01:15:15.000 You don't have a readout or anything like that?

01:15:17.000 On that jump, not only did I not have a readout, I didn't have an altimeter.

01:15:21.000 All I had was an audible in my ear because I didn't want to have anything else.

01:15:26.000 I was afraid that the oxygen hose was going to wrap over it.

01:15:28.000 There was just too many other complications.

01:15:30.000 So I just went off of the audible and then I calibrated camera one, camera two before I went.

01:15:36.000 So when you're doing this, the first time you're doing this, are you doing it from this high?

01:15:41.000 How high were you the first time you did it?

01:15:43.000 So most skydiving is like 13,500 feet.

01:15:46.000 That's pretty much about it.

01:15:47.000 I mean, this took a lot of time in the making.

01:15:52.000 That's an airplane, right?

01:15:53.000 That was an airplane, but I started making the preparations for that in January of this year, and I did that in August.

01:15:58.000 And that was a world record.

01:15:59.000 Yeah, that was the farthest distance flown in a wingsuit.

01:16:03.000 18 plus miles, something like that.

01:16:05.000 Completely irrelevant measure of horizontal distance, but...

01:16:08.000 Right.

01:16:09.000 And what time, like, how much time are you spending from the time you jump out until the time you land?

01:16:15.000 I was in free fall for just over eight minutes, and then probably under canopy under the parachute for less than a minute.

01:16:22.000 That's it?

01:16:23.000 I pulled a little bit low.

01:16:24.000 I didn't have an altimeter on, so like I said, I had an audible in my ear that was set to go off at certain altitudes, and the lower beep did not go off.

01:16:33.000 But I calibrated my cameras before I went.

01:16:35.000 I was like, camera one, camera two, camera one, camera two, let's go.

01:16:38.000 So I was calibrated.

01:16:40.000 What does that mean, camera one, camera two?

01:16:42.000 You're blinking.

01:16:42.000 I calibrated my eyes.

01:16:43.000 Camera one's calibrated, camera two, let's go.

01:16:45.000 How do you do that? 0.98

01:16:47.000 I look at the ground, I'm like, holy shit, that's getting really big. 0.98

01:16:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:16:51.000 Wow.

01:16:51.000 Because I had just gotten back from a month base jumping in Europe where I was used to pulling at like 400 feet.

01:16:57.000 So I had seen those visuals of the ground coming up and I had an altimeter alert set for 10,000, one set for 5,500 and my last one I wanted to go off at three.

01:17:05.000 So I got the 10,000 foot alert, no problem.

01:17:08.000 5,500 foot alert goes off, no problem.

01:17:11.000 And then you kind of have like this mental, it's going to be after a while, you know how long it's going to be.

01:17:15.000 So I'm just like flying.

01:17:16.000 Yeah.

01:17:18.000 I'm like, hmm, okay, I'm gonna wait, right?

01:17:22.000 Because, you know, it's important I'm going for distance.

01:17:24.000 I'm just gonna keep waiting, keep waiting.

01:17:25.000 And I'm like, that tree down there is way too big.

01:17:29.000 I'm out of here.

01:17:30.000 Wow.

01:17:31.000 So, yeah.

01:17:32.000 You ever hear about these guys that want to land them?

01:17:34.000 What?

01:17:34.000 I'm one of those guys.

01:17:36.000 You want to land one without a parachute?

01:17:37.000 Is that what you're saying?

01:17:38.000 They land them in boxes.

01:17:39.000 There's a guy that landed in boxes, right?

01:17:41.000 A guy in Europe did.

01:17:41.000 He put a neck brace on and put up some big cardboard boxes and flew it right into the boxes.

01:17:46.000 How's he doing?

01:17:46.000 He's fine.

01:17:47.000 He walked out of it.

01:17:49.000 There was another guy, Jeb Corliss, who was talking about basically taping a skateboard to his stomach and making this really long ramp.

01:17:55.000 Yeah, that sounds like something a guy named Jeb would do. 0.99

01:17:57.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 0.99

01:17:58.000 His brother Dale couldn't get all the trucks for the skateboard together. 0.99

01:18:01.000 Well, my cousin Cliff is going to try to.

01:18:03.000 I mean, to me, though, I'm like, yeah, I mean, I would probably give it a go if I could rationalize it and figure out a way to, like, if it would be at least...

01:18:11.000 Is it plausible?

01:18:11.000 Or possible?

01:18:12.000 I'd give it a go.

01:18:13.000 What would be the way?

01:18:14.000 I mean, I could see maybe in the ocean.

01:18:16.000 And you can land in the water.

01:18:17.000 No, because you're going to be stuck in that suit.

01:18:19.000 Your forward speed is like a buck twenty.

01:18:22.000 Heyyyy! 0.89

01:18:22.000 Well, whack! 0.89

01:18:23.000 If there's twenty guys that are doing that this year, and there's no more that start, how many are doing it next year?

01:18:29.000 Well, the skydiving and the base jumping.

01:18:31.000 Base jumping like that.

01:18:32.000 Oh, I think...

01:18:35.000 18 or 19. Is there a way that you could have a wing that's not fixed, that's like maybe expandable?

01:18:42.000 Like you would reach a certain point, you know, you've got your wing like this, right?

01:18:46.000 And you're flying around.

01:18:48.000 Is there a way, like maybe you could release something that would give you a bunch of extra fabric?

01:18:52.000 And you would just, it would slow you?

01:18:55.000 I think I've seen this in the Batman movie. 0.99

01:18:57.000 Fucking Hey Siri. 0.99

01:18:57.000 Siri is... 0.99

01:18:58.000 I didn't even say Hey Siri, but Siri's transcribing that.

01:19:01.000 Have you noticed that?

01:19:01.000 Have you used that?

01:19:02.000 Well, the Chinese are trying to figure out what you've got going on. 1.00

01:19:05.000 The Chinese are doing it already. 1.00

01:19:07.000 I broke up with her. 1.00

01:19:07.000 They've capped into my shit. 1.00

01:19:08.000 I think I saw that on Batman Returns. 0.99

01:19:11.000 That same concept that you're talking about.

01:19:12.000 But you've got to have the electro gloves that...

01:19:14.000 Yeah, well I was thinking that maybe a way that you could release more fabric in the wings and it would slow you down considerably.

01:19:21.000 Like you could get to a point where you could hit it and it would puff back.

01:19:24.000 Yeah.

01:19:24.000 And then you could almost like hit the ground running.

01:19:26.000 They're for sure gonna do it.

01:19:28.000 Somebody?

01:19:29.000 I don't know.

01:19:30.000 How long has Wingsuits been around? 0.99

01:19:32.000 I mean, there's a lot of impossible shit. 0.99

01:19:34.000 20 years, I think. 0.99

01:19:34.000 20 years. 0.99

01:19:35.000 But the technological advances in those 20 years are insane.

01:19:38.000 Like, it was literally before a fabric loop that went around your thumb and, like, a twin sheet that a guy sewed to his suit and was like... 0.99

01:19:45.000 Crazy fucks. 0.98

01:19:47.000 That is like me jumping off the garage with two garbage can lids, you know? 1.00

01:19:53.000 It has happened.

01:19:54.000 I've done that.

01:19:54.000 Someone's done it.

01:19:55.000 So, yeah, the pioneers?

01:19:57.000 Here's an interesting statistic of, like, the 80 people who are credited with developing wingsuits.

01:20:03.000 80 of them are dead.

01:20:05.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:20:06.000 Good stat.

01:20:07.000 Jesus Christ.

01:20:08.000 And that's not old age either.

01:20:10.000 No, no, but I bet you they went out with a smile on their face.

01:20:13.000 Oh, I bet they didn't.

01:20:14.000 How about that?

01:20:14.000 I bet they did not.

01:20:15.000 Well, right before they realized they were going to die, they had a smile on their face. 1.00

01:20:18.000 Oh, fuck, man. 1.00

01:20:19.000 Now, say that your cord doesn't go off when you're at 2,000 feet or wherever you are and you're pulled. 1.00

01:20:27.000 Are you still smiling after that?

01:20:29.000 Well, on that jump that we watched, I mean, I have a reserve.

01:20:31.000 So I have a plan B. On base jumping, I mean...

01:20:33.000 How close do you have to get to the ground before it's too late?

01:20:37.000 I mean, I had about a five-second canopy ride in Europe, so I was probably 150 feet off the ground when I pulled.

01:20:43.000 And that's...

01:20:44.000 That was emotional.

01:20:46.000 It's encouraging.

01:20:47.000 That was a visually intense experience for me.

01:20:49.000 That was the lowest I've ever opened a parachute.

01:20:51.000 150 is so low.

01:20:52.000 It's so low.

01:20:53.000 I mean, that's close.

01:20:54.000 How many seconds is that from the ground?

01:20:56.000 You're falling more than 150 feet a second.

01:20:58.000 Really?

01:20:58.000 Well, because you're only going about 30 down in your wingsuit.

01:21:01.000 Oh, in the wingsuit, right.

01:21:02.000 Okay, not like free dropping.

01:21:04.000 But the canopy opening, I mean, it opened and I hit the ground like four seconds later.

01:21:07.000 Oh, my God. 0.97

01:21:08.000 I sat down and thought about what the fuck I was doing for a while after that one. 0.99

01:21:11.000 Oh, my God. 0.99

01:21:13.000 And that, for me, was not enjoyable.

01:21:15.000 I do this stuff because I love it and because it makes my head right.

01:21:20.000 If I didn't do that type of stuff, my head would be...

01:21:23.000 I won't be able to think as clear.

01:21:26.000 I can't articulate the clarity that it provides for me.

01:21:29.000 How so? 0.95

01:21:30.000 Is it like you think you need to do dangerous shit because of your past experience? 0.99

01:21:34.000 Let me ask you this. 0.99

01:21:35.000 Why do you have a sensory deprivation tank?

01:21:38.000 Well, because it allows me to be alone.

01:21:42.000 Alone with my thoughts.

01:21:43.000 Literally alone.

01:21:45.000 Yeah, but are you present in the moment when you're there and you're alone?

01:21:48.000 Up until the moment where I start tripping.

01:21:51.000 Okay.

01:21:51.000 For me, when I'm standing on the edge of a cliff...

01:21:56.000 It provides for me just a moment of clarity and being present in that moment.

01:22:03.000 The closer you get, and again, I can only speak for myself, but the closer you get in the bass jumping world for me, when I'm getting ready to jump and I'm zipping up my sleeves and I'm doing my checks, I'm not thinking about my checking account balance anymore. 0.97

01:22:16.000 I'm not worried about, fuck, I've got to transfer money over, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:22:20.000 It just slowly starts kind of fading away, and then you step up to the edge. 0.99

01:22:25.000 I've never seen color so clearly in my life.

01:22:28.000 I've never...

01:22:30.000 It's a laser-like focus on the next three seconds of my life.

01:22:36.000 You're not worried about a minute down the road.

01:22:38.000 You're not thinking about what you had for lunch.

01:22:40.000 Because if you rock forward and step off, you better be ready for full speed life coming at you. 0.99

01:22:46.000 You've got the rest of your life to figure out what the fuck's about to happen. 0.92

01:22:50.000 And it's not that I like doing dangerous stuff. 0.97

01:22:53.000 Don't get me wrong, I love the sensation of flying, and it's great to be able to fly next to a cliff or down through a set of trees.

01:22:58.000 It's awesome, but that moment of clarity, the only time I've ever had that is on a helicopter at about the one minute out, where you lose all of the past, and all you're thinking about is the absolute present moment and the next thing that you have to do.

01:23:13.000 But you're saying one minute out, meaning about to go into combat.

01:23:16.000 Yep.

01:23:17.000 Because you're not worried about your checkbook then either.

01:23:19.000 It's just that it's a narrowing but an expansion at the same time.

01:23:22.000 You're narrowing your focus, but I'm expanding the amount of information that I can process.

01:23:28.000 So it's almost like an altered state.

01:23:29.000 Like you're reaching a very high level of concentration, almost akin to a deep, deep meditation.

01:23:35.000 Yeah, I don't know shit about deep deep meditation, but yeah, it's definitely, it's as close to, you know, one of those states that I can imagine.

01:23:44.000 I mean, I love it.

01:23:45.000 It makes me a better person in ways that make no sense.

01:23:49.000 Like, it gives me more patience around my kids. 0.99

01:23:51.000 It gives me more patience dealing with idiots that I don't, you know what I mean? 1.00

01:23:55.000 And I don't know why. 0.99

01:23:57.000 Just those few seconds or moments provide that for me, but it does.

01:24:00.000 It makes sense.

01:24:01.000 It balances it out.

01:24:03.000 It makes sense.

01:24:04.000 It gives you this unbelievably extreme experience.

01:24:07.000 So it's like it drains your need for that.

01:24:10.000 I felt like that the first time I did a stick fight.

01:24:14.000 Yeah, because I don't think it's unique to the jumping.

01:24:16.000 I think everybody...

01:24:17.000 I think when you start...

01:24:18.000 Because don't get me wrong. 1.00

01:24:19.000 When I'm standing on the edge, every alarm bell in my body is like, you're an idiot. 1.00

01:24:24.000 You're an idiot. 1.00

01:24:25.000 You're an idiot. 1.00

01:24:26.000 Your heart's... 1.00

01:24:27.000 How'd you get here?

01:24:28.000 You're trying to be all tough and talk, right?

01:24:31.000 You're like...

01:24:33.000 Are you ready to go?

01:24:33.000 Like you're spitting sawdust.

01:24:35.000 But I think if you...

01:24:36.000 Spit and sawdust.

01:24:37.000 So for me, right, that's the point where I have that experience.

01:24:41.000 But like you're saying, Tate, it could be stick fighting. 0.99

01:24:44.000 That's why to me, like, you guys are fucking crazy to go in the octagon. 0.99

01:24:46.000 Like, no way! 0.99

01:24:47.000 Like, maybe you guys get that when you're getting ready to square off with the dude in the octagon.

01:24:52.000 I think that there's something in who we are as human beings that wants us to search for that.

01:24:57.000 But everybody finds it in their own way.

01:24:59.000 Yeah, there's something about human beings that wants you to run from comfort and that you learn from about yourself.

01:25:07.000 Some are cleaved comfort.

01:25:09.000 Well, the ones that are interesting.

01:25:10.000 Right, the interesting ones.

01:25:11.000 The really interesting ones to me are the ones that they seek out.

01:25:15.000 These difficult moments.

01:25:17.000 The guys I know that have seen combat like you to that degree, that kind of a soldier that fight, are all like, they have to get worked up.

01:25:24.000 Like Tim Kennedy.

01:25:25.000 Yeah, like Tim and Brian Stan are both guys that have talked like that about it.

01:25:29.000 That they have to get worked up.

01:25:30.000 They're too calm before they go into that experience.

01:25:33.000 They need to get jazzed up because they're so used to a higher, a heightened sense of consequence.

01:25:37.000 Well, let's be honest, too.

01:25:39.000 I mean, like, there's some great attributes that come from operating in a high-risk, high-threat environment with high consequences, but it also changes you as a human being, too.

01:25:48.000 Like, it grays you in areas that maybe—like, empathy, for me, is one I struggle with. 0.99

01:25:54.000 Like, maybe what you were talking about before about Guantanamo Bay, about these radicals coming out, you gotta kill them. 0.99

01:25:58.000 Like, pragmatically, right? 1.00

01:26:00.000 And I shit you not, it would be as easy for me as to say that as to pick up a gun and blow a dude's head off right there if he was one of them. 0.99

01:26:05.000 No problem. 1.00

01:26:06.000 And go fucking sleep like a baby. 1.00

01:26:08.000 Not a problem. 1.00

01:26:09.000 But, you know, there's issues that can arise from that, too.

01:26:13.000 And I recognize some of it in myself.

01:26:16.000 Like, for me, I struggle with empathy.

01:26:19.000 Like...

01:26:20.000 You know, my kids will fall down and they'll hurt themselves.

01:26:22.000 And I'm just like, just like, and I don't verbalize it, but I'm like, God, just get up.

01:26:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:26.000 It doesn't have to be my kids.

01:26:27.000 It's like, I don't have a lot of tolerance or empathy for people who are in pain because the reality is it's just fucking get up and get on with what you got going on. 0.91

01:26:35.000 You know what I mean? 0.90

01:26:35.000 That's what's ingrained in who I am. 0.90

01:26:37.000 Well, it's your spectrum is different than theirs.

01:26:39.000 That's what I'm saying, but my spectrum is different now.

01:26:42.000 You know what I mean?

01:26:42.000 And that impacts your ways.

01:26:44.000 And that's going to be like that, I think, for me for the rest of my life.

01:26:46.000 And it's interesting.

01:26:48.000 It's like a hiccup that I recognize sometimes, and then most of the time I'm completely oblivious to it.

01:26:53.000 So there's some great things that came from being in that environment.

01:26:56.000 And then there's some just odd quirks that you've got to deal with, too.

01:26:58.000 I mean, there's two sides to every coin.

01:27:01.000 The empathy aspect of it completely makes sense because if you're used to operating in extreme tolerances, tolerating extreme weather conditions, danger, violence, loss of friends, injuries, all the above, 0.99

01:27:17.000 and then you see someone just twist their ankle, they're crying like a bitch. 1.00

01:27:20.000 Or you've seen your friend blow up and then somebody falls, like, yeah. 0.98

01:27:24.000 But we all have seen, I mean, to a much, much lesser extent, people who train in jiu-jitsu or martial arts, they're used to getting banged up.

01:27:32.000 You know, your injuries, you have a different perception of them.

01:27:35.000 Like, I've talked to people, they go, well, how many surgeries have you had? 1.00

01:27:37.000 I'm like, oh, fuck. 0.99

01:27:38.000 You know, three knees, nose, this. 1.00

01:27:41.000 You start going through, they're like, why do you keep doing it?

01:27:43.000 Why would you keep doing it?

01:27:44.000 Like, well, you just get it fixed.

01:27:46.000 As people's stopping points become different, you're getting used to discomfort.

01:27:49.000 You're talking about exactly the same mechanism.

01:27:51.000 It's a rewiring.

01:27:52.000 Once you get...

01:27:53.000 Get to that point where everybody's like, hey, you should stop, and you start driving on.

01:27:58.000 Things start getting rewired.

01:28:01.000 Humans adapt, right? 0.99

01:28:03.000 They fucking adapt in the craziest ways. 0.99

01:28:06.000 Well, and you've got to push yourself into that. 0.99

01:28:07.000 You've got to put yourself into the pressure.

01:28:12.000 Tate's on number five.

01:28:13.000 He just cracked number five. 0.99

01:28:14.000 Hey, eat some dicks, man. 0.99

01:28:15.000 I'm in America. 0.99

01:28:16.000 We're not in Iraq anymore. 0.99

01:28:18.000 I can fucking do what I want. 0.98

01:28:19.000 Do you have a bag? 0.99

01:28:19.000 You got a bag of them over there for us? 0.99

01:28:21.000 Yeah, I mean, we got 30 more.

01:28:22.000 That's no problem, you guys. 0.99

01:28:23.000 No, I was talking about the bag of dicks. 1.00

01:28:24.000 Do you have a bag of dicks or whatever? 0.99

01:28:26.000 They sell them at Saks now. 0.99

01:28:28.000 Where do you... 0.53

01:28:29.000 Dicks.

01:28:29.000 What do you...

01:28:30.000 I've been meaning to ask you this. 0.99

01:28:33.000 This stuff's delicious, but what the fuck is going on in there? 0.98

01:28:36.000 What does nitro mean? 0.98

01:28:37.000 Is nitrogen...

01:28:38.000 Yeah, it's infused in nitrogen.

01:28:40.000 Our roaster, David Sertain, over at Via Miriam and Caveman Coffee Warehouse, he made a mechanism.

01:28:49.000 He and another engineer friend of ours that came in, Joe, and they infused nitrogen into the canning process.

01:28:56.000 And so there's gas, there's gaseous nitrogen that's in here that causes little bubbles, kind of like a Guinness-like effect.

01:29:04.000 I don't know the science behind it of how it all works, but it can only be canned.

01:29:09.000 It can't be bottled in the same degree to where we want to get it.

01:29:14.000 And I think those little bubbles get you a little high off caffeine better.

01:29:17.000 Yeah?

01:29:17.000 Is there any science behind that, or is it just guesswork?

01:29:19.000 I don't know.

01:29:19.000 That's guesswork.

01:29:20.000 That's my own science.

01:29:21.000 It's scientific.

01:29:21.000 It tastes good.

01:29:22.000 It tastes great, doesn't it? 1.00

01:29:23.000 And I'll tell you what, it gets you fucking jacked. 0.99

01:29:25.000 I throw one of these down before I hit the gym. 1.00

01:29:27.000 Woo! 0.99

01:29:28.000 Here is some science.

01:29:29.000 They say that it's...

01:29:30.000 I think David was telling me I could be wrong on this, but I think he said there's three times the caffeine of a Red Bull.

01:29:40.000 Which should be enough to stop your heart.

01:29:43.000 Is that true? 0.99

01:29:43.000 Is that fucking true? 0.99

01:29:44.000 How is that possible? 1.00

01:29:45.000 That would kill you, man. 0.94

01:29:46.000 What's the numbers? 0.99

01:29:48.000 Stop it.

01:29:49.000 What are the numbers in this little can?

01:29:50.000 How many milligrams or X's of your weed brownie do you have? 0.99

01:29:54.000 Listen, I'm a moderate. 1.00

01:29:56.000 Kill some people. 1.00

01:29:56.000 Kill some people, Joe. 1.00

01:29:58.000 The weak ones. 1.00

01:29:59.000 When it comes to weed, eat edible weed, I'm a moderate.

01:30:01.000 You need to talk to Joey Diaz.

01:30:03.000 He's a radical.

01:30:04.000 I'm a moderate.

01:30:05.000 He almost killed his poor guy.

01:30:06.000 That's what I'm saying. 1.00

01:30:07.000 Lee Syatt tried to hang with him, and I was like, you've become retarded. 0.98

01:30:11.000 No, not just even tried to hang with him. 0.97

01:30:13.000 Joey mixes up the edibles.

01:30:15.000 He'll take a 500 milligram one, pull it out of the wrapper, put it in a 200 milligram one, and tie it up and hand it to him.

01:30:21.000 So he's more than double dosing him.

01:30:24.000 So he's dosing him.

01:30:24.000 Oh, yeah!

01:30:25.000 Joey's what you would call a chemical professional.

01:30:28.000 I kind of support that behavior, though.

01:30:28.000 That sounds awesome to me.

01:30:29.000 That's right, in my wheelhouse.

01:30:32.000 Wait, tell me before we get off wingsuits, man.

01:30:34.000 Like, how did you go from being a hobbyist and kind of a professional training guys to how to get in wingsuits?

01:30:41.000 Let him ask that, but before we forget about this, how many milligrams are we talking about in this caffeine?

01:30:45.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:30:46.000 Because isn't a Red Bill like 200 fucking milligrams? 0.98

01:30:48.000 I think a Red Bill is equivalent to like three cups of coffee. 0.99

01:30:50.000 I'll see if David will hit me up right now.

01:30:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:52.000 Has this been tested?

01:30:54.000 We'll test it.

01:30:55.000 Hey, we're doing it right now, Joe.

01:30:57.000 Well, I mean, like a laboratory.

01:30:59.000 I don't think we're...

01:30:59.000 It's been tested for a lot of different things.

01:31:02.000 Like rabies?

01:31:03.000 Herpes?

01:31:05.000 Gangrene?

01:31:06.000 I think we should probably find out.

01:31:08.000 I want to know...

01:31:09.000 Where you went into an altruistic idea of going, I want to help these guys in the Navy SEAL Foundation, and where that whole idea came from, and you're like, I want to still serve, and how can I serve?

01:31:19.000 Because the reason you're not is you're medically discharged, right?

01:31:22.000 And so then you're like, how do I keep being a soldier in this way?

01:31:25.000 How did you get medically retired?

01:31:27.000 You know, so I was in for one month shy of 17 years, so 16 years and 11 months.

01:31:33.000 I figure the govy can spot me 30 days, so I just say 17 years. 0.80

01:31:37.000 But it was, you know, it's bumps and bruises along the way.

01:31:40.000 A bunch of combat deployments blown up a few times, close to breaching charges, helicopter crashes, vehicle crashes.

01:31:47.000 I got shot in the hip in 2005. So it's like a succotash of injuries that add up, you know.

01:31:52.000 Ounces become pounds become, you're done.

01:31:55.000 You can't do it anymore.

01:31:57.000 So I got medically retired, and this actually ties into the question that Tate asked me.

01:32:02.000 I got medically retired, and when I first got out, I got out the last day of June 2013, and I remember driving off the base, and I was like, awesome.

01:32:10.000 You know, all I ever wanted to do since I was a little kid is be a SEAL, since I was 11. Can't articulate why.

01:32:15.000 It's just what I knew I wanted to do.

01:32:17.000 And so I left.

01:32:19.000 I'm like, this is awesome.

01:32:20.000 I got to prove myself.

01:32:22.000 I got to experience pre-9-11.

01:32:23.000 I got to experience wartime, which a lot of guys hang their hat way too much on the combat stuff, you know, because it's really a matter of timing.

01:32:31.000 The guys after Vietnam, before 9-11, got nothing.

01:32:33.000 It doesn't mean they're not good SEALs or good soldiers.

01:32:37.000 And I felt like we had accomplished a lot.

01:32:39.000 Like I was saying, we had very black and white metrics for success.

01:32:44.000 Did we get the guy?

01:32:45.000 Did we not get the guy?

01:32:46.000 So you can kind of rack and stack the stuff that you did throughout your career.

01:32:49.000 I was like, cool.

01:32:51.000 Didn't pay attention to a whole lot of stuff for like six months and then started watching the news after six months.

01:32:55.000 And it's just, it's like every story that I hear about ISIS taking back Ramadi, you know, starts in northern Iraq and then they take back Ramadi. 0.99

01:33:04.000 It's like, fuck! 0.99

01:33:07.000 I equate it to watching the tide go out just a little bit at a time. 1.00

01:33:11.000 But the problem for me is that that tide that's eroding is the literal blood, sweat, and tears of people that I was with and people that I still know that are overseas.

01:33:19.000 And even though I'm out of the military now, I'm never going to lose that desire to fight. 0.99

01:33:26.000 I want to go over there and kill those people. 1.00

01:33:28.000 I do. 1.00

01:33:29.000 I think about it every day.

01:33:30.000 Every day I wish I could go over there and just canoe somebody's head for threatening our country and what we stand for.

01:33:36.000 People can hate me for that if they want to. 0.99

01:33:38.000 I don't give a shit. 0.99

01:33:39.000 That's what I stand for. 0.99

01:33:40.000 That's who I am.

01:33:40.000 Well, you're very open about it.

01:33:42.000 Not a lot of people express it in such an honest and open way.

01:33:47.000 What kind of repercussions have you had from talking about it like that?

01:33:51.000 To my face, nothing.

01:33:52.000 Of course.

01:33:55.000 On the intranet, people go, they'll lose their...

01:33:57.000 I'll get filleted in the comments.

01:33:59.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:33:59.000 Well, right now, I'm sure, if we opened up Twitter, it would probably be a fucking bloodbath. 0.99

01:34:03.000 But here's the thing, though. 0.99

01:34:04.000 But it's nonsense.

01:34:05.000 I think it is nonsense, man, because how can you know to put my...

01:34:08.000 Like, to put yourself in one... 0.97

01:34:10.000 Like, every guy that I know, man, and I've had the pleasure to know a few guys that are in spec ops in that way, there's not anybody that hasn't seen shit that's so horrific and that is like, there's people that need to get erased. 0.93

01:34:21.000 And I'm with that thinking, man. 0.89

01:34:22.000 And God bless you.

01:34:24.000 I think I'm open with it because I finally came to the conclusion that I don't have any time in my life to be anything other than myself.

01:34:31.000 And the one thing that I do know about myself is I know what I believe in.

01:34:35.000 And I believe in it enough to fight for it.

01:34:37.000 And I believe in it enough to die for it.

01:34:38.000 And I certainly believe in it enough to end other people's life for it.

01:34:41.000 And I don't care if people like that or not.

01:34:43.000 But that's me, you know?

01:34:44.000 I would love to see you have a conversation because you're so intelligent and articulate.

01:34:48.000 I would love to see you have a conversation with like a hardcore pacifist.

01:34:51.000 I could turn a pacifist into a violent person very easy. 1.00

01:34:54.000 I just put a gun to their kid's head. 1.00

01:34:55.000 They're not a pacifist anymore. 0.99

01:34:57.000 I've seen plenty of pacifists who fight for their life. 0.99

01:34:59.000 There's a lot of hippies that talk all that peace shit until somebody scuffs their toes. 0.98

01:35:02.000 Well, it's the idea, I think, what we're moving towards as a race. 0.99

01:35:06.000 I think we're moving away from being cavemen to moving to some higher ideals, which, like we were talking about today, is the safest time pretty much ever in human history.

01:35:16.000 Yeah.

01:35:16.000 It's about as safe as it can get.

01:35:18.000 More people than ever before, but the likelihood of you experiencing violence is probably lower than ever before.

01:35:23.000 It still exists, of course, but there's less of it.

01:35:26.000 Statistically, it's almost obsolete.

01:35:28.000 But don't you feel that...

01:35:30.000 I mean, people still need to feel accountable. 0.98

01:35:32.000 It's like the only dickheads... 0.99

01:35:33.000 If you find a real dickhead that's over 30 years old, that guy's never been punched in the mouth. 0.98

01:35:38.000 At a certain point, people gotta find their accountability, and it takes sometimes, for some dudes, they just need to get X'd out. 0.96

01:35:43.000 Well, there's a lot of people that don't, they've never experienced any kind of violence or any kind of conflict.

01:35:48.000 And because of that, they're really flippant about with their words.

01:35:52.000 Right, exactly.

01:35:52.000 And then they get in front of a computer screen.

01:35:55.000 And that's the thing, like, go ahead.

01:35:58.000 Well, I saw a guy take a picture of Chuck, of Rashad Evans, rather.

01:36:02.000 You know, Rashad, there's a famous photo of Rashad when he was knocked out by Leota Machida.

01:36:07.000 Ooh, I'm not going to like this story.

01:36:08.000 Handed him this photo with a big smile on his face and asked him to sign it.

01:36:12.000 It's like one of the most painful moments of Rashad's career and You know this guy standing right in front of Rashad and Rashad grabbed the picture and crumpled it up Right in his face and like looking at him like dude. 0.99

01:36:24.000 What the fuck are you doing? 0.90

01:36:26.000 Well, he couldn't I know that I mean if I'm standing with Rashad like you know what I'm saying? 1.00

01:36:33.000 I'll help you, you fuck. 1.00

01:36:35.000 You just put that in the revenge category. 1.00

01:36:36.000 Come on, Tate.

01:36:37.000 But he knows that he's going to get away with this.

01:36:39.000 This is a guy who doesn't respect what he's standing in front of. 1.00

01:36:44.000 You're petting a fucking lion. 1.00

01:36:46.000 You just smacked the lion in the face. 1.00

01:36:48.000 You just did something. 0.88

01:36:49.000 It's reprehensible, man.

01:36:51.000 A professional fighter at the highest caliber.

01:36:53.000 I mean, he's a former world champion.

01:36:54.000 And you're standing in front of him, mocking him with one of his most devastating defeats.

01:36:59.000 And that comes from not experiencing conflict.

01:37:04.000 Not being punched in the face.

01:37:05.000 Well, because you can't punch somebody in the face.

01:37:08.000 But Joe, everybody's unique.

01:37:09.000 You're special.

01:37:10.000 Everybody's special.

01:37:11.000 Like...

01:37:11.000 I want a participation trophy just for this conversation.

01:37:14.000 You will get one.

01:37:15.000 Can I get one?

01:37:16.000 We will all three of us get an equal participation trophy. 1.00

01:37:18.000 We're drinking one right now, motherfucker. 0.99

01:37:20.000 Well, you and I have talked about this, Tate, that one of the things that we appreciate about guys who have trained and guys who have competed even more so is that there's outliers, there's douchebags, but for the most part, pretty respectful. 0.99

01:37:36.000 People are pretty cool.

01:37:36.000 Yeah, I mean, fun and competitive.

01:37:39.000 Yeah, there's a lot of hobbyists, maybe. 0.96

01:37:41.000 You'll find a few dickheads in there. 0.97

01:37:43.000 A few. 1.00

01:37:43.000 But guys that are competitors, man, fuck, that's rare. 1.00

01:37:46.000 I don't, you know, it doesn't come up. 0.99

01:37:48.000 Because you have to face your demons in order to get better.

01:37:51.000 And you can't pretend.

01:37:52.000 You can't pretend.

01:37:53.000 And you know what it is.

01:37:54.000 You know what it is to have laid yourself all out there and not come up rich on the day.

01:37:58.000 You know what it is. 0.97

01:38:00.000 How many dickhead black belts in jujitsu if you met? 0.99

01:38:02.000 God damn, it's not even 1%. 1.00

01:38:04.000 Yeah, no. 0.99

01:38:05.000 It's not even 1%.

01:38:06.000 And here's the thing, though.

01:38:07.000 Now more and more there's more people that are becoming black belts that shouldn't be probably now. 1.00

01:38:10.000 Maybe that.

01:38:11.000 There's a lot of people that I really don't like that are out there that get black belts and that they've never competed.

01:38:17.000 This idea that everybody, if you stick around long enough, will get a black belt.

01:38:20.000 Well, no. 1.00

01:38:21.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:38:21.000 You don't deserve a fucking black belt. 1.00

01:38:23.000 There's a lot of people that don't deserve fucking black belts, man. 1.00

01:38:26.000 That's a fact. 1.00

01:38:27.000 You know what I mean?

01:38:27.000 And you don't carry yourself like that.

01:38:28.000 I don't even care if you're the best guy on the mat.

01:38:30.000 You still don't deserve it if you don't carry yourself well in life.

01:38:32.000 Or if you injure people intentionally.

01:38:35.000 There's a ton of things, right?

01:38:36.000 Especially if you injure, like, blue belts or white belts intentionally.

01:38:40.000 There's always a guy in every school that will injure people and people will avoid them.

01:38:45.000 Get away from that guy.

01:38:46.000 I mean, I value jujitsu so much that I feel like if you're not carrying that well and representing that well, and you're a bully in the street, or you're this or you're that, like, you need to walk right, man. 0.78

01:38:56.000 That's an honorable thing, goddammit. 0.50

01:38:59.000 And it's on us. 1.00

01:38:59.000 You need to carry your fucking shoulders. 1.00

01:39:01.000 And if you're not, then that's a problem for me. 1.00

01:39:04.000 You know what though?

01:39:05.000 Like you're saying, the guy who wanted him to sign a photo at one of his worst moments, the guy asking him to sign that photo, had he taken the effort and the thought and put the work in and of himself to become one of the black belts that you're talking about, the less than 1%, he never would have asked him to do it. 0.83

01:39:20.000 There's something in that exploration of who you are that brings something out.

01:39:24.000 And I think it, I don't know, it drives me insane.

01:39:30.000 Like, my sons will have visceral, physical experiences.

01:39:33.000 They will push themselves.

01:39:34.000 They will be competitors.

01:39:36.000 I'm not going to shy away from that.

01:39:37.000 They're not going to get a participation medal.

01:39:38.000 They're going to get told when their performance was subpar because that's the way the world is.

01:39:44.000 And I don't want them being that dude like, hey, here, Joe, you just got knocked out.

01:39:47.000 Can you sign that picture?

01:39:48.000 Yeah, how about when you get out of school and you find out that participating doesn't matter in that way?

01:39:52.000 And I think that's the difference, though, too, with being a, and to say it in a different way, a participant versus a spectator.

01:39:59.000 Like, there's people that are about it and are about shining their life up into a whole different way, don't want to have a common experience and all that stuff, and then they're pushing themselves towards that end.

01:40:07.000 And then there's people that are just spectators. 1.00

01:40:10.000 And fuck you. 1.00

01:40:12.000 Like, that's why... 1.00

01:40:13.000 But they wear the t-shirt, though, Tate.

01:40:14.000 They have the same shirt on. 1.00

01:40:16.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:40:16.000 All that fan shit, people will be like, oh no, people fight for the fans and this and that. 1.00

01:40:21.000 I'm like... 1.00

01:40:21.000 You don't have any fucking idea. 1.00

01:40:24.000 That makes me angry when people say that you should fight for the fans. 1.00

01:40:26.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

01:40:28.000 Because you're not going to fight smart. 1.00

01:40:29.000 And fighting for the fans to put on a show is how you get fucking brain damage. 1.00

01:40:32.000 And they don't care anyway, the fickle fucks. 1.00

01:40:34.000 No, they don't care. 0.99

01:40:35.000 Well, they'll forget about you if you have a poor performance in your next fight.

01:40:38.000 If you get knocked out in your next fight, that defines you.

01:40:40.000 Right.

01:40:40.000 How could you even do that?

01:40:41.000 How could you even get in there in the mindset of, I'm going to get into a fight?

01:40:45.000 There's a lot of guys who have.

01:40:46.000 There's guys that demanded stand-up fights because they're like, that's more exciting, so they weren't very good at striking.

01:40:51.000 But when I was fighting at that time, that was a huge thing.

01:40:55.000 When guys weren't very well-rounded, they were really great wrestlers, or great at this, they wanted to show off their striking skills, whether they were there or not, and they put themselves in bad predicaments. 0.81

01:41:03.000 I have a friend who I love dearly, a great guy, who was talking about, he's a fighter, and he made some crazy post about, like, fuck technical striking. 0.95

01:41:13.000 Like, just get out there and bang. 0.97

01:41:14.000 And I was like, Jesus Christ, dude, like, what are you talking about?

01:41:17.000 He might get out there and bang Ludwig, like, to have that kind of technical, yeah, like, you want to be a high-level striker, like, bang.

01:41:23.000 I think he was frustrated.

01:41:24.000 He was at a low point in his life when he said that.

01:41:27.000 But that's not an option if you're fighting an Anderson Silva or a Gokhan Saki.

01:41:32.000 Those guys hope that happens.

01:41:34.000 Yeah, they hope you get crazy and come out and just... 0.99

01:41:36.000 Yeah, they're going to slice and dice you to pieces, aren't they? 0.99

01:41:38.000 Yeah.

01:41:39.000 You think you can do that to Floyd Mayweather?

01:41:41.000 Think no one's tried?

01:41:42.000 Right.

01:41:42.000 Like, of course they've tried.

01:41:43.000 When I put one on him, it's going to...

01:41:45.000 Yeah, try to put that one up. 0.99

01:41:48.000 Two people have even hit him in his whole fucking career, you know? 0.99

01:41:51.000 But this idea that you should do that and risk yourself and bang it out to be more exciting, you're only being exciting to fools who don't understand what it is. 0.99

01:42:01.000 It's like saying, forget about all the build-up to... 0.96

01:42:06.000 Figure out a song that has a build-up.

01:42:10.000 Like Freebird.

01:42:11.000 Forget all that build-up.

01:42:12.000 Just go right into that guitar solo.

01:42:14.000 Or forget about all the parts of the movie.

01:42:16.000 Jump into the chorus.

01:42:17.000 Forget all the parts of Rambo that set up the fact that he's angry.

01:42:20.000 Let's just have a two-hour movie of Rambo with one side of his lip up. 0.99

01:42:26.000 Just fucking... 0.99

01:42:28.000 That's the whole movie. 0.99

01:42:29.000 No, it doesn't work that way.

01:42:31.000 There's wild, crazy moments in fights where guys decide to open up.

01:42:35.000 But they decide to open up.

01:42:36.000 It should be a calculated risk fueled by emotion.

01:42:40.000 I mean, the best example of that that I remember seeing live is when we went, and it was the first time I saw Anderson fight live, and he fought Chris Lieben.

01:42:48.000 Oh yeah.

01:42:49.000 And Chris is a savage and he's great.

01:42:51.000 He's got good boxing.

01:42:52.000 He's powerful.

01:42:53.000 He's all that stuff.

01:42:54.000 And he was so outclassed that he almost knocked himself out.

01:42:58.000 Anderson had such great footwork and he was so fluid that he would fall down like six times without Anderson touching him.

01:43:05.000 It was just like he'd load up for a punch and then Anderson wasn't there.

01:43:08.000 And then Chris is catching himself on the fence.

01:43:10.000 And I was like, this is next level stuff.

01:43:12.000 Well, that was a perfect example of the two opposite ends.

01:43:17.000 Right, right.

01:43:18.000 Like one guy who's just hard-ass, powerful, just tough, goes after it every time, face first, and the other guy who's a master.

01:43:26.000 A master.

01:43:27.000 He's just a master.

01:43:28.000 And a master of that moment, too.

01:43:30.000 A master of staying calm in that moment and capitalizing.

01:43:33.000 And Lyoto was like that.

01:43:34.000 I mean, saw Lyoto move right out of the way, Tito going for a double leg, and it's just all face in the fence.

01:43:39.000 And it's like, Lyoto's not there anymore.

01:43:41.000 So basically one guy's playing checkers and the other guy's playing chess.

01:43:44.000 Yeah, and the reality is with those guys, it's like there's guys out there that are better than that.

01:43:49.000 Well, and that's the thing too.

01:43:50.000 When it comes to stand-up striking.

01:43:52.000 Is when evolution, like in five years, those guys aren't even going to be relevant anymore.

01:43:56.000 They won't even be able to compete at the lower levels.

01:43:58.000 And that was an elite guy.

01:44:00.000 Right.

01:44:00.000 It's crazy.

01:44:00.000 You're going to see some guys in the UFC that have the kind of stand-up that maybe like Yodson Klai has or Giorgio Petrosian.

01:44:06.000 Or maybe Keanu Reeves in The Matrix. 0.99

01:44:09.000 Like you're going to see crazy, crazy, crazy shit. 1.00

01:44:12.000 Shut up. 1.00

01:44:13.000 Don't look at me like that. 1.00

01:44:15.000 Shut up with your not talking. 0.98

01:44:17.000 It's still the thing of, you know, this idea that you're supposed to be doing it for the fans. 0.99

01:44:21.000 Well, which fans?

01:44:22.000 Because the real fans are the people that actually understand and appreciate the technical aspect of the sport.

01:44:27.000 You know who you do it for?

01:44:27.000 You do it for your teammates and for your coaches, and you hope that you can honor their flag.

01:44:31.000 Did you see Timothy Bradley's fight this weekend with Teddy Atlas?

01:44:35.000 Yeah.

01:44:36.000 That's the answer to the...

01:44:37.000 Sorry to interrupt you.

01:44:38.000 That's okay.

01:44:38.000 That was the...

01:44:39.000 Yeah.

01:44:40.000 I was going to tell a way more long-winded version of that, but he just said...

01:44:43.000 He answered his own question.

01:44:46.000 Did you see the Timothy Bradley fight this past weekend?

01:44:48.000 I didn't.

01:44:48.000 Teddy Atlas is his coach now.

01:44:51.000 Teddy Atlas came out of retirement for Timothy Bradley, and Timothy Bradley put on the best performance of his career. 0.97

01:44:56.000 And Teddy Atlas is fucking screaming at him in the corner, in between rounds, like before he stopped him. 0.95

01:45:03.000 And he's like, are you ready for the fire? 0.98

01:45:05.000 The fire's coming!

01:45:06.000 We're firemen!

01:45:07.000 We don't run away from the fire!

01:45:10.000 We want towards the fire!

01:45:11.000 We live in the fire!

01:45:12.000 And you see Timothy Bradley's like, yes, coach, yes, coach.

01:45:14.000 And he just goes out there, and he just, stellar performance.

01:45:18.000 Best performance of Timothy Bradley's career.

01:45:20.000 But it's this appreciation of the technical aspect, being coached by a real master in Teddy Atlas, and a guy who he really respects.

01:45:29.000 And he was talking about it before the fight, like, no cell phones in the gym, no music, no nothing. 0.99

01:45:34.000 Put all that shit aside. 0.99

01:45:35.000 There's no one in there. 1.00

01:45:36.000 It's just him and Teddy Atlas, and they showed them working together.

01:45:38.000 Just those two.

01:45:39.000 Yep.

01:45:39.000 Yeah, just working.

01:45:40.000 Just working minutes, working.

01:45:42.000 And also, you know, sparring partners and all that stuff, too.

01:45:44.000 But, like, when they're there working, there's no bullshit and showing pictures. 0.99

01:45:48.000 Play this, because this is fucking intense. 1.00

01:45:51.000 This is fucking intense. 0.99

01:45:52.000 The fire is coming. 1.00

01:45:53.000 Are you ready for the fire?

01:45:55.000 We're firemen.

01:45:56.000 We are firemen.

01:45:58.000 The heat doesn't bother us.

01:46:00.000 We live in the heat.

01:46:01.000 We train in the heat.

01:46:03.000 It tells us that we're ready.

01:46:05.000 We're at home.

01:46:05.000 We're where we're supposed to be.

01:46:07.000 Flames don't incriminate us.

01:46:09.000 What do we do?

01:46:10.000 We control the flames.

01:46:11.000 We control them.

01:46:12.000 We move the flames where we want to.

01:46:15.000 And then we extinguish them. 1.00

01:46:18.000 I want to go beat someone's ass right now. 1.00

01:46:20.000 And then we extinguish them. 1.00

01:46:21.000 I got fucking goosebumps. 0.99

01:46:22.000 Let's go up front. 1.00

01:46:23.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:46:23.000 That's like coach, man. 0.99

01:46:25.000 Greg Jackson was like that.

01:46:26.000 We get comfortable while other men are uncomfortable. 0.94

01:46:28.000 You got to make that discomfort your living room.

01:46:31.000 And that's what you're talking about. 0.99

01:46:33.000 He's fucking screaming and he's got that scar across his face where he's been boggling. 0.99

01:46:36.000 But he's getting the reaction he's looking for. 0.99

01:46:39.000 It's an effective...

01:46:40.000 He's firing that dude up.

01:46:42.000 Before you jump, and you're explaining that, what do you think?

01:46:45.000 I was talking with Brendan Gibson about it.

01:46:50.000 The idea of to throw all caution to the wind and let your training take over and get into that place.

01:46:56.000 Because you see guys fight too cautiously.

01:46:58.000 And when a guy walks out savagely, and you see that with Evanderlei Silva, never had a problem doing that.

01:47:03.000 And what do you think...

01:47:06.000 To throw yourself into that experience without being thoughtful of it, does training take over and take care of you?

01:47:13.000 It depends on who you're fighting, too.

01:47:15.000 Some guys you can do that to, and some guys you can't.

01:47:18.000 How about Vandele versus Krokop?

01:47:20.000 It didn't work.

01:47:21.000 You can't do that.

01:47:22.000 Krokop was just such a much better technical striker, and Vandele was jacked.

01:47:27.000 He was like 218. He was 99% Mexican supplements going in there.

01:47:33.000 He was barely a human.

01:47:34.000 He's coming there, guns blazing.

01:47:36.000 It just didn't work.

01:47:37.000 He's not a Mexican. 1.00

01:47:37.000 He's Brazilian. 1.00

01:47:38.000 That's where you get that shit, though. 1.00

01:47:39.000 Mexico, bro. 1.00

01:47:40.000 You get it from Mexico.

01:47:41.000 What do you think when you jump?

01:47:43.000 I mean, you might be underwhelmed sometime, not a lot.

01:47:46.000 But I think it's a different thing because the only opponent is your nerves and your mind and worried about the fear.

01:47:52.000 I was wondering if it translated to other avenues of that kind of flow.

01:47:55.000 Fighting, the technical aspects of fighting are so unique in that you have all these choices of how to engage, what to do, what you're confined.

01:48:03.000 And then you've got to shuffle those based off of what you're seeing.

01:48:07.000 You're making micro.

01:48:08.000 Decro decisions all the time.

01:48:10.000 The best guys are unpredictable and diverse. 0.99

01:48:13.000 You wonder why I think you guys are nuts. 0.59

01:48:17.000 I tell you, man, I think, I don't know. 0.97

01:48:20.000 To me, I think every little boy out there is like, man, it would be dope to be a Navy SEAL or whatever or all that kind of stuff, man.

01:48:26.000 I mean, I got such an admiration for you, dude.

01:48:28.000 For sure.

01:48:29.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:48:30.000 I mean, that's one of the most difficult and dangerous things a human being can choose to do.

01:48:35.000 And I get offended a little bit When you go, oh no, what you guys...

01:48:39.000 It's like, I don't understand at all what you guys go through. 0.99

01:48:43.000 And the positions that you've been in, the kind of consequences that are there, your brother's lives in your hands, and fucking God bless you, man. 0.98

01:48:51.000 I think Andy might be a little humble. 0.99

01:48:52.000 Tate, it's a different thing, man.

01:48:53.000 Might be a little humility here.

01:48:54.000 Tate, don't be so sensitive, alright?

01:48:55.000 Don't get a little offended.

01:48:56.000 Either get a lot offended or don't get offended, alright?

01:48:59.000 It's just, there's no comparison.

01:49:01.000 Being sensitive is a part of it, though, right?

01:49:03.000 Sure.

01:49:03.000 It's like the emotions and the whole thing.

01:49:06.000 It's an interesting life to lead.

01:49:08.000 Yeah.

01:49:09.000 But the most important question of today is how do I get you out of an airplane?

01:49:12.000 It's not happening.

01:49:13.000 I'm not interested.

01:49:13.000 There's actually no way possible.

01:49:15.000 You know what I feel?

01:49:15.000 I'll do it.

01:49:15.000 I've done a lot of shit already.

01:49:16.000 I'll go. 1.00

01:49:17.000 I'll watch.

01:49:18.000 I'll cheer you.

01:49:18.000 I'll go.

01:49:19.000 I'll wait on the ground with champagne.

01:49:20.000 Because I feel like it's like going swimming with the guys that are the best watermen in the world.

01:49:24.000 It's kind of like, nobody better to save me.

01:49:28.000 You can go.

01:49:29.000 I'll put you in the harness backwards. 1.00

01:49:30.000 You're too excited about it after you told me that everybody who invented those fucking things is dead. 0.99

01:49:34.000 I didn't say I'm going to take you for a wingsuit. 0.99

01:49:36.000 I'm not going on a wingsuit.

01:49:36.000 That's all in your mind.

01:49:37.000 That's where it's going.

01:49:38.000 You don't know me. 0.98

01:49:40.000 I'm retarded. 0.97

01:49:41.000 We'll walk hand in hand together. 0.97

01:49:42.000 I'll put you backwards in the harness.

01:49:44.000 Here we go.

01:49:44.000 That's me too.

01:49:45.000 Let that shit go. 1.00

01:49:46.000 Let that shit go. 1.00

01:49:47.000 I don't like this because you can't see your ass at all in this. 1.00

01:49:50.000 By the way, that Kill Cliff stuff, that stuff is fucking delicious. 0.99

01:49:54.000 Is that all sponsored or created by military people? 0.96

01:49:58.000 Who's a former SEAL, who's the founder and then the president?

01:50:01.000 I don't know how they're sending it to me, but they've been sending that to me forever. 1.00

01:50:04.000 People send me shit. 0.99

01:50:05.000 I don't even know how they get my address, but I get that. 1.00

01:50:07.000 That stuff is good. 0.99

01:50:08.000 I mean, that shit's fun right there. 0.99

01:50:11.000 So they're sponsoring you. 1.00

01:50:12.000 This is a Kill Cliff...

01:50:13.000 So this was all based around...

01:50:15.000 I never answered Tate's question.

01:50:17.000 So the footage, the first jump you watched, that was all based as a fundraiser.

01:50:20.000 He actually was talking with you about it, I think, on like 705 or something like that.

01:50:25.000 He's like, hey, you want to jump out of the plane? 1.00

01:50:26.000 You're like, fuck that guy. 1.00

01:50:28.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:50:31.000 So, Kill Cliff, they're my sponsor for jumping, and they have a commitment to the Navy SEAL Foundation of $250,000 a year to try to give back to the guys.

01:50:41.000 You know, and when Tate asked me, like, how did I come up with the idea of doing something to raise money, it all comes to the fact that, like, I can't get rid of, like I was telling you about, my desire to go fight and do and continue to stay involved, but I can't physically do it anymore.

01:50:57.000 So the only thing I could think of to do was to do something to try to help the guys who are doing it.

01:51:02.000 And this is what I'd normally do, so I just tried to tie the two together.

01:51:05.000 What are the injuries that keep you from doing it?

01:51:07.000 You seem so fit. 0.98

01:51:09.000 You're doing this video showing you doing all these chin-ups and rowing and all this crazy shit. 0.95

01:51:13.000 So I can't feel my left leg from the kneecap down. 0.94

01:51:16.000 So the round missed my femur, but...

01:51:20.000 What an experience.

01:51:22.000 They don't know if it clipped the sciatic nerve or, you know, have you ever seen the gelatin that gets shot by a bullet and has the shock waves?

01:51:27.000 Either way, it short-circuited the electrical circuitry down my leg.

01:51:31.000 So from the point of impact all the way down to my foot, it was just completely fried.

01:51:34.000 I had drop foot for a year.

01:51:36.000 What's drop foot? 0.95

01:51:37.000 Can't pick your foot up.

01:51:38.000 I could always dorsiflex.

01:51:39.000 I could always push my foot down, but I couldn't lift my foot up.

01:51:42.000 So I had to have a little plastic brace underneath my foot.

01:51:45.000 Whoa.

01:51:45.000 It was gnarly.

01:51:46.000 And then for about six months, it felt like I dipped my leg in gasoline and lit it on fire.

01:51:51.000 But yeah, this is all just promo stuff leading up to it.

01:51:55.000 So basically what I can do is...

01:51:56.000 I mean, I can hide it really well.

01:51:58.000 It happened over 10 years ago.

01:51:59.000 So I can train around it, and I try to stay as physically fit as possible.

01:52:04.000 So...

01:52:05.000 I can keep doing this stuff longer.

01:52:06.000 So, to this day, that leg is still numb?

01:52:09.000 From the kneecap down, yeah.

01:52:10.000 The sciatic part of the nerve, when it wraps over the top, it's really bizarre.

01:52:13.000 Like, you can scratch your fingernails across it and I'll get a delayed sensation, but it happens like six or seven seconds later.

01:52:18.000 It feels super odd.

01:52:19.000 And when it first happened, I'd be distracted during the daytime.

01:52:23.000 And then I would lay down at nighttime to try to go to sleep, and it was hell.

01:52:28.000 It just felt like my leg was on fire.

01:52:32.000 That's actually how I found CrossFit, was rehabbing from the injury, because the Navy's was like Percocet, Vicodin, Ambien, something else that was blue, and I'm just like...

01:52:45.000 Right.

01:52:46.000 Viagra, probably that last blue one.

01:52:49.000 Probably.

01:52:49.000 That's what I do when you're all jacked up on Percocet.

01:52:52.000 I'm a rager.

01:52:53.000 Captain Morgan, right?

01:52:54.000 Then I'd go, Captain Morgan.

01:52:56.000 It's fun.

01:52:57.000 It'd be a good experiment.

01:52:59.000 So I'd fist the bottle of Captain Morgan every night, and I'd go down the bottles.

01:53:04.000 I was taking like four or five Ambien and not being able to sleep.

01:53:07.000 I was playing around with my own pharmaceutical buffet, if you will.

01:53:13.000 For how long?

01:53:13.000 About six months.

01:53:15.000 They had me on anti-seizure medicine for kids, which has a secondary side effect of neuropathic pain control.

01:53:21.000 But it also suppresses your central nervous system functioning.

01:53:25.000 So I still remember the day we were living in Virginia Beach, and my wife asked me a very simple math question.

01:53:31.000 And I just was like, I couldn't do it.

01:53:34.000 Whoa.

01:53:48.000 Anti-seizure stuff.

01:53:49.000 Because the medicine had a secondary effect of neuropathic pain control.

01:53:54.000 So they were trying to control the burning in my leg, but there was nothing that could really target it directly.

01:53:58.000 So it was for kids, but if I had just stopped cold turkey, it would have drastically increased my likelihood of just having a seizure, even though I'm not susceptible to do it.

01:54:07.000 Wow.

01:54:09.000 It was gnarly. 1.00

01:54:10.000 Like, I can't imagine the shit my wife put up with. 1.00

01:54:13.000 I would literally drink all night and just play, you know, Pez dispenser with the variety of colors that would come at me. 0.99

01:54:19.000 Couldn't sleep.

01:54:19.000 Sleep during the daytime.

01:54:21.000 I mean, it was a mess.

01:54:22.000 And what were you doing when you were up and just...

01:54:24.000 Surfing the intranet?

01:54:26.000 I mean, I don't even remember.

01:54:27.000 I was just loaded, you know?

01:54:29.000 And it was...

01:54:29.000 There wasn't a lot of...

01:54:32.000 There wasn't a lot of mechanisms for support back then.

01:54:35.000 It was 2005. It was a little bit earlier than the medical systems that are in place now.

01:54:40.000 I mean, I still have never had a surgery.

01:54:42.000 I've never had stitches.

01:54:43.000 They left everything in, and some of it works its way out over time.

01:54:47.000 They flew me to Germany.

01:54:48.000 You mean fragments?

01:54:50.000 Yeah.

01:54:50.000 I got about 300 pieces of frag in my left leg, and then the round is still in my pelvis.

01:54:54.000 It was gnarly.

01:54:55.000 Is there a reason to leave it in there?

01:54:58.000 So because there's retained ferrous metal in my body, they can't really image me with the magnets to get a precise location.

01:55:05.000 So they gave me the option when I was in the hospital in Baghdad.

01:55:08.000 They're like, hey, you know, we can try to take it out.

01:55:11.000 I'm like, okay, please describe to me.

01:55:13.000 Tell me more.

01:55:13.000 What does this process look like?

01:55:15.000 They're like, okay, tube down your throat.

01:55:17.000 Knock you out, flip you over on your stomach. 0.99

01:55:19.000 Two-dimensional x-ray. 1.00

01:55:20.000 Start cutting in through your ass, pulling apart, looking for the... 1.00

01:55:24.000 You can stop right there. 1.00

01:55:25.000 That's good to me.

01:55:26.000 Yeah.

01:55:27.000 So I was like...

01:55:28.000 Made a good choice, Andy.

01:55:29.000 Yeah, I'm like, can you please describe to me the possible consequences of leaving in?

01:55:33.000 He's like, oh yeah, well the body will encapsulate it in calcium and as long as you don't have bone contact with the metal, you should be fine. 0.99

01:55:39.000 I'm like, well fuck man, why didn't you leave with that? 0.99

01:55:41.000 That sounds awesome. 1.00

01:55:41.000 That seems like nothing. 1.00

01:55:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:55:43.000 In comparison, there's a hard spot in my ass. 1.00

01:55:46.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:55:48.000 Anybody who's complaining about that, well, let me tell you about what I've fucking been through. 1.00

01:55:52.000 Reorganize my ass. 1.00

01:55:53.000 Is there a golf ball in your ass? 1.00

01:55:54.000 So I left it. 1.00

01:55:55.000 Yes and no.

01:55:56.000 I left it, flew to Germany, stayed in the hospital in Germany for two days, checked myself out of the hospital, took a taxi to the airport, flew home, and was home like 48 hours after it happened.

01:56:06.000 Whoa.

01:56:06.000 And my squadron was still forward deployed, so I was kind of on a little bit of an island by myself.

01:56:10.000 Not by any malicious intent of anybody, but...

01:56:13.000 I was just, they're like, I mean, that was the Navy's thing.

01:56:15.000 They're like, here, this is the solution to your problem.

01:56:17.000 Here's some pills.

01:56:18.000 Go work it out.

01:56:18.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:19.000 Go figure it out.

01:56:19.000 Yeah.

01:56:20.000 What can they do?

01:56:21.000 Other than that, you would have to be like a project.

01:56:23.000 They would have to have a bunch of people trying to help you.

01:56:27.000 Like I said, it was early.

01:56:28.000 You know, I think now they probably have a protocol, maybe specifically for neuropathic pain control, that they've learned over, you know...

01:56:35.000 Over the decade that we've been fighting.

01:56:37.000 Look at amputations, right?

01:56:38.000 You never used to survive a single, let alone a double amputation, but now medical advances are so far down the road that triple and quad amputees are actually surviving, which would never make it off the battlefield.

01:56:48.000 So maybe they have something now.

01:56:50.000 That would help, but that was it.

01:56:52.000 So I basically started working out and would exhaust myself, and that's how I would sleep, and that's how I found CrossFit and got introduced to the founder, because they were founded in my hometown.

01:57:02.000 So with nerve damage, there's a tiny amount of improvement that you get every year.

01:57:07.000 One millimeter a day.

01:57:09.000 That's that drop coming back, right?

01:57:10.000 That's why it takes that so long.

01:57:12.000 It takes that long.

01:57:12.000 And the doctors, guys who had gone for multiples of the number of years of school that I have under my belt, would be like...

01:57:19.000 I don't know.

01:57:20.000 Maybe.

01:57:21.000 That's the answers that I would get.

01:57:22.000 I'm like, hey man, am I going to be able to walk again?

01:57:23.000 And they'd be like, perhaps.

01:57:26.000 It's a practice, not a science.

01:57:28.000 Wow.

01:57:29.000 Now is your drop foot cleared?

01:57:31.000 It's better.

01:57:32.000 I can hide it.

01:57:33.000 It's funny.

01:57:34.000 If I wear more like a dressy shoe, you can hear my left foot hitting a little bit more.

01:57:37.000 But what really gets me, and what was one of the biggest things for my military retirement, is that I have a really hard time controlling a roll of the ankle to the outside.

01:57:45.000 And the majority of the time when we're overseas, I'm heavy.

01:57:48.000 I'm like bodyweight plus weight.

01:57:49.000 80 to 120 pounds on my back.

01:57:52.000 Right.

01:57:52.000 So, you get that off-kilter at all, and I've snapped my angle over so many times, almost to the point where I almost called a medevac in.

01:57:58.000 It was just, like, the purple and the size of a grapefruit.

01:58:00.000 I just couldn't do it anymore.

01:58:01.000 You know, people have, like, an abstract idea of what it's like to do what you guys do with a heavy pack on. 0.99

01:58:08.000 If you never wore a pack, like, I work out with a 40-pound weight vest sometimes, and I can't wait to get that fucking thing off. 0.97

01:58:14.000 It doesn't weigh anything. 0.98

01:58:15.000 Triple that.

01:58:15.000 Triple that and then go for a five-kilometer walk.

01:58:17.000 That sucks.

01:58:18.000 It's ergonomic. 0.99

01:58:20.000 Those weight vests are to your body.

01:58:22.000 Not something extended off.

01:58:23.000 You're off balance.

01:58:24.000 Now hide around a corner and think about I'm going to access an enemy. 1.00

01:58:28.000 With a heavy ass fucking pack on it. 0.99

01:58:30.000 I mean, we packed that elk out that's out there in the hallway. 1.00

01:58:33.000 I had that on my back.

01:58:34.000 I probably had like...

01:58:37.000 160, 170 pounds in it.

01:58:39.000 But I only had to walk a half a mile.

01:58:40.000 Which, that weight at a half a mile would destroy you.

01:58:43.000 And I was exhausted. 0.99

01:58:45.000 And I'm like, well, these motherfuckers are going five kilometers a day with more than that on their back. 1.00

01:58:51.000 To get to work. 1.00

01:58:53.000 To get to work. 0.93

01:58:54.000 And getting shot at.

01:58:55.000 Did they build you up?

01:58:56.000 My friend Cam, Cam Haynes, to prepare for elk hunting, he takes a rock.

01:59:03.000 He has this 135 pound rock and he puts it in a backpack.

01:59:06.000 He straps himself in and he goes up mountains with it.

01:59:09.000 And he's got a particular rock.

01:59:11.000 I've seen his Instagram and he's like, yeah, I got the rock today.

01:59:13.000 Yeah, it's his rock.

01:59:15.000 He's got to have a name for it.

01:59:17.000 He probably does.

01:59:18.000 He probably won't tell you. 1.00

01:59:19.000 It's probably some crap. 0.99

01:59:19.000 You're on your own. 0.99

01:59:20.000 You're on your own to train for us.

01:59:22.000 There's guys who do the triathlete route, there's guys who do the Arnold route, there's guys who do the CrossFit route, the functional.

01:59:27.000 It's everything in between.

01:59:28.000 They just put that pack on you and send you out.

01:59:31.000 Now, do they have load lifters?

01:59:34.000 I basically made my own because I had all my special things that I wanted to take with me, and they would only fit in the Vietnam... 0.89

01:59:42.000 Oh, it's a special thing.

01:59:45.000 They have missiles that I showed you, the video.

01:59:46.000 Oh my god.

01:59:47.000 Did I send you that video?

01:59:49.000 No.

01:59:49.000 What video is this?

01:59:51.000 It's awesome, man.

01:59:52.000 These are my special things. 0.99

01:59:53.000 There's these assholes that have come and attacked the base, and then they go out just far enough where they know a rifle round won't get to them. 0.99

01:59:59.000 Oh, you did? 1.00

01:59:59.000 You texted me that. 1.00

02:00:00.000 Yeah.

02:00:01.000 Those are the things that I sent to you, Jamie.

02:00:03.000 What are those called?

02:00:04.000 Javelin missiles.

02:00:05.000 A javelin missile.

02:00:06.000 And so you found boxes of those, right?

02:00:08.000 So...

02:00:08.000 Wellburn was telling me something.

02:00:09.000 Yeah, so I went over there, and I went to the school to fire those things when I was on the East Coast and forgot about it. 0.99

02:00:14.000 And we got to Afghanistan in 2010, and I'm looking around, and I'm like, those are Javelin missiles, son of a bitch. 0.98

02:00:20.000 I need to find a launching mechanism for those things. 0.98

02:00:23.000 So I went to an Army unit and traded them straight up for a half-shell ballistic helmet.

02:00:28.000 It cost $400.

02:00:29.000 For the launcher, it cost $50,000.

02:00:31.000 We did a straight-up trade.

02:00:33.000 I think I got a good deal.

02:00:34.000 Pretty good deal.

02:00:35.000 Took it back to the base, and then hooked the thing up, test-fired one to make sure it was all still good to go, and then just started carrying them in the field with me.

02:00:42.000 But I had to make a backpack that would carry them, because I would carry two of the Javelins, and then I'd have my.300 Win Mag on top of that, too.

02:00:48.000 So that was my special things that I took with me.

02:00:50.000 That's rad.

02:00:50.000 Jesus Christ.

02:00:51.000 All right, Jamie, I just sent it to you.

02:00:53.000 That is rad.

02:00:54.000 Those missiles are gnarly.

02:00:55.000 And so this thing that, like, set this up, so then...

02:01:00.000 You're where when you're firing this and you hit that truck?

02:01:03.000 The truck was like two and a half kilometers away on a hill.

02:01:07.000 But, I mean, I think I ended up shooting like 12 or 13 of those things.

02:01:10.000 They're about $150,000 a pop.

02:01:12.000 Money well spent.

02:01:14.000 $150,000 a pop and you shot 12?

02:01:16.000 12 of them?

02:01:17.000 Yeah.

02:01:17.000 She shot a million dollars worth of round plus?

02:01:19.000 In an afternoon.

02:01:20.000 You're welcome.

02:01:21.000 Not in an afternoon.

02:01:22.000 It was like an eight-month time period.

02:01:23.000 Oh, was it?

02:01:24.000 But, dude, they were so devastating. 0.99

02:01:26.000 Because, again, we're not fighting dumb people. 1.00

02:01:28.000 The idiots that'll go in the street and shoot an AK-47 at a Predator, they were gone like a week into the conflict. 1.00

02:01:34.000 Right. 1.00

02:01:34.000 It's a mature theater of war. 1.00

02:01:35.000 And they're like, oh, these guys have 5-5-6.

02:01:37.000 They can't hit us, so we'll lob 7-6-2 in.

02:01:39.000 So they'll stay out at like...

02:01:41.000 You know, 1,500, 2,000 lob PK rounds in, which is basically, you know what 300 Win Mag is, right, because you're a hunter?

02:01:47.000 It's basically a belt-fed 300 Win Mag.

02:01:49.000 Gnarly.

02:01:49.000 It will get your head down.

02:01:51.000 Well, these missiles can go out to, like, three kilometers.

02:01:53.000 So I would go out there, and I'd let these guys sit up in high ground positions, and they'd be overwatching our guys in the low ground.

02:02:00.000 And I'd wait until they got a group of them together, and then I would just send one of these things.

02:02:03.000 They're designed to hit tanks. 0.75

02:02:06.000 They're anti-tank.

02:02:07.000 It's got a double shape charge.

02:02:08.000 The first one's supposed to go through the explosion.

02:02:10.000 Look at the smile on his face when he starts describing this round.

02:02:14.000 Oh, I love those things.

02:02:15.000 I wish I had one at home. 0.98

02:02:17.000 But you would want to shoot it. 0.99

02:02:18.000 You'd want to find a target. 1.00

02:02:19.000 I would, but I'd go to jail, but I still would shoot it. 0.96

02:02:22.000 I think I need one of these nuevos. 0.95

02:02:24.000 Oh, I'll have one of these with you.

02:02:26.000 Do we have a bottle opener?

02:02:27.000 Oh, we got a lighter.

02:02:28.000 So I let these guys go out there, man.

02:02:30.000 And I'm not even getting into the best part of the story because it's right before it hits.

02:02:34.000 That's the best part of the story.

02:02:37.000 I got tired of getting shot at and having an organic weapon on me that couldn't reach him, so I started bringing him.

02:02:42.000 Right.

02:02:43.000 And if you want to end a firefight, you shoot one of these things.

02:02:46.000 I can't describe how loud it is.

02:02:48.000 How great to have the freedom to do that.

02:02:50.000 I mean, to be like, they're getting at me and I can't get at them.

02:02:53.000 And you're like, you know what?

02:02:54.000 Here's my solution.

02:02:54.000 And they think that you can't get at them.

02:02:57.000 So they're just like, oh, what's up?

02:02:59.000 And you launch this thing.

02:03:01.000 Yeah, they're like, you're just beyond my reach.

02:03:03.000 You're like, oh, really?

02:03:04.000 And Joe, here's the best part.

02:03:05.000 It has two settings.

02:03:07.000 It has top attack or direct attack.

02:03:09.000 So it'll go up and come straight down, so you're not even safe hiding behind things.

02:03:14.000 Or it'll go direct attack right at the guy.

02:03:17.000 Regardless, the best part of it is, is about a quarter of a second before it hits, they make the O face.

02:03:22.000 Right?

02:03:23.000 They're doing their thing, and they go, and they're done.

02:03:26.000 Best part about it.

02:03:27.000 Which is better for you, the top or the direct?

02:03:29.000 Top when they're hiding behind stuff and then direct if they...

02:03:32.000 You don't have a preference.

02:03:33.000 How do you judge the drop?

02:03:36.000 It just depends on what you...

02:03:37.000 It's a thermal camera.

02:03:39.000 You're looking through the warhead after you activate it.

02:03:41.000 You lock it on by making this box get smaller.

02:03:44.000 It flashes crosshairs and then you pull the trigger and it will hit whatever the crosshairs are on.

02:03:48.000 So you just look at the terrain and where they're at and then...

02:03:50.000 So, it changes its trajectory?

02:03:53.000 No, you have to pick.

02:03:54.000 You have to pick when you shoot.

02:03:55.000 So, like, if they were hiding behind a wall or something that I didn't have a direct access to them, I would just drop it in over the top.

02:04:00.000 But you can drop it right where they are.

02:04:03.000 Jamie, do you have that video?

02:04:05.000 It doesn't come yet?

02:04:06.000 What do you think of that beer right there?

02:04:07.000 It's delicious. 0.98

02:04:08.000 It's goddamn good. 0.96

02:04:09.000 That's why we make that in New Mexico. 0.98

02:04:10.000 That's one of my joints.

02:04:11.000 Is it?

02:04:12.000 Yeah.

02:04:12.000 Nice.

02:04:12.000 Yeah.

02:04:13.000 So, Joe, those were my special things. 0.99

02:04:15.000 Damn, dude. 0.99

02:04:17.000 But again, I did that because it was out of necessity. 1.00

02:04:19.000 I was tired of getting shot at from a range I could do nothing about.

02:04:22.000 And what I found was, if you shoot one of those things, they would leave us alone for the rest of the day.

02:04:26.000 It's the same theory as why would you kill a fly with a sledgehammer?

02:04:30.000 So the other flies take notice, not because the sledgehammer is any more effective than any other weapon system.

02:04:35.000 It truly works.

02:04:36.000 So...

02:04:37.000 Make an example.

02:04:38.000 I would say an argument was made that I saved life by using this.

02:04:41.000 Absolutely.

02:04:42.000 I would think that, too.

02:04:43.000 And I think that what's awesome is that you had the autonomy to be able to do that, whereas if you're a regular soldier, you probably don't get choices like that.

02:04:50.000 They're just like, suck it up, buddy.

02:04:52.000 You'd be running that up the chain of command, for sure.

02:04:55.000 I think what's interesting, too, is what you told me that one day at the gym.

02:04:59.000 When I asked you about PTSD and things like that, and that's fascinating to me.

02:05:04.000 And I'd heard, I don't know who it was speaking about it, but they said that PTSD wasn't really, they don't like it being called PTSD because it's not.

02:05:12.000 I hate it.

02:05:13.000 I don't like the D on the end because it's not a disorder.

02:05:15.000 Right, that's what this guy was saying, that it's not a disorder, that it's a thing that is going to pass by and that you can get through and that's not...

02:05:22.000 It may not pass by.

02:05:23.000 It's like we were talking about the mechanisms that change, right, in your body.

02:05:27.000 It's not a disorder.

02:05:28.000 If you get sick and you don't get a fever, that is a disorder.

02:05:31.000 If you get sick and you get a fever, that's totally normal.

02:05:34.000 So if you go out and you do these things that are not necessarily considered normal or you push yourself beyond that threshold...

02:05:40.000 And there's a reaction that your body has.

02:05:42.000 Is that disorder?

02:05:44.000 I don't think so at all.

02:05:45.000 I think it should be expected a time for you to adapt and be able to heal from some of this stuff.

02:05:51.000 But as soon as you label it disorder, people shut down.

02:05:54.000 So you think by defining it in that way that it limits how people recover from it?

02:05:58.000 Well, I think by defining it as disorder, you're completely mischaracterizing it because it's not.

02:06:03.000 I think it's a natural reaction of the human body to being in some of those environments.

02:06:06.000 So, do you think that, like, the way they used to describe it, like, shell-shocked, that's probably, like, better?

02:06:11.000 I don't know if it's necessarily better.

02:06:13.000 You know, maybe don't put a precise definition on it.

02:06:17.000 Maybe just work on having a better understanding that maybe guys are going to need some time, and some more so than others because, and I think this was Tate was getting at, in the special ops community, I think the instance of post-traumatic stress is much lower because we are in control of what we do.

02:06:32.000 Like, I... The horrific...

02:06:37.000 I think?

02:06:59.000 And sit there and wait.

02:07:01.000 And maybe something would happen and maybe it wouldn't.

02:07:03.000 Maybe it'd hit the vehicle in front of them.

02:07:04.000 Maybe it'd hit the vehicle behind them. 0.96

02:07:06.000 Maybe it would go lower and it'd just flip them over and fuck them all up. 0.99

02:07:09.000 But they're sitting there. 1.00

02:07:09.000 When you say they're waiting, they're waiting to be attacked. 1.00

02:07:12.000 They're in the back.

02:07:12.000 They're sitting there.

02:07:13.000 And I can't even imagine the...

02:07:16.000 The geometry going on in the brain of trying to just rectify that and just dealing with, they're basically waiting to be victimized.

02:07:22.000 I don't like to describe it like that because I don't think that's the right term, but maybe my vocabulary is not deep enough to describe it better.

02:07:29.000 But they're sitting there waiting for an event to occur to them.

02:07:33.000 They have to be reactionary.

02:07:34.000 Yeah, and for us, I heard a psychologist describe it once.

02:07:38.000 It's called the locus of control.

02:07:39.000 So the guys in the tin can, they don't have any control.

02:07:42.000 They're waiting.

02:07:43.000 When we go, and like I said, we have a much more structured, much more regimented target deck, much more regimented success or failure...

02:07:52.000 When I go, 99.9% of the time that I've been involved in a violent event overseas, it was at my control.

02:07:59.000 I initiated the violence because I'm going to come to you at the most advantageous time for me and the least advantageous time for you.

02:08:07.000 It's going to be nighttime.

02:08:07.000 I'm going to exploit all of the advantages that I have, and I'm not going to fight fair.

02:08:11.000 That's the way it goes, and I control that. 0.99

02:08:14.000 And so after, I mean, just imagine the difference between the two, being the pit bull or the guy whose ass is in the pit bull's mouth. 0.99

02:08:20.000 I mean, like, that's in my mind. 1.00

02:08:22.000 And again, this is just me talking about it.

02:08:25.000 I think that's why there's such a huge, or not a huge, but a greater instance of post-traumatic stress in those units that had little to no control over what was going on.

02:08:34.000 Right.

02:08:35.000 Like, the instance of that one guy that was having a bunch of...

02:08:40.000 He was diagnosed several times with PTSD, been deployed, and then wound up killing all those civilians.

02:08:45.000 That was one of the most horrific and one of the most popularized incidents of someone, quote-unquote, snapping.

02:08:54.000 Yeah.

02:08:55.000 And it's that same kind of thing, right?

02:08:57.000 Like, just constantly waiting for something to happen, dealing with being attacked.

02:09:01.000 With no control.

02:09:02.000 And you just...

02:09:03.000 You know what I mean?

02:09:03.000 Like...

02:09:04.000 I mean, they were bearing 2,000-pound charges that would flip these multi-ton...

02:09:08.000 2,000-pound charges?

02:09:10.000 Yeah.

02:09:10.000 So Afghanistan in 2003, we rode around in Hilux trucks with no armor whatsoever because there was no threat of an IED on the ground.

02:09:18.000 And then we started doing armored Humvees, but the overmatch or the size of the charge that will destroy a Humvee is like four pounds because it's flat.

02:09:25.000 Right.

02:09:26.000 So then they went to the V-shaped, right?

02:09:28.000 Which the theory is it deflects it out.

02:09:30.000 So those survived for a while, and then they're like, well, 50 pounds didn't work.

02:09:34.000 Let's try 500. 500 didn't work.

02:09:36.000 Let's try 2,000.

02:09:37.000 And it flips them hundreds of feet into the air.

02:09:40.000 And there's people inside of those things. 0.93

02:09:41.000 I've seen it where they inverted the V. The V on the bottom ended up touching the top of the fucking tube compartment in the back. 0.60

02:09:48.000 And that's what those guys are riding around in, not knowing if, like, I can't express enough the respect I have for the guys who did that because I couldn't do it. 0.89

02:09:57.000 Again, I'd be back.

02:09:59.000 Toothbrush, six-shooter.

02:10:01.000 Which one's it going to be?

02:10:02.000 I mean, I wouldn't be able to do it.

02:10:03.000 I'm not tuned to do that job.

02:10:06.000 It's such a crazy level of stress.

02:10:09.000 And that's why they snap.

02:10:12.000 Everybody's got a cup that's going to overflow at some point, and everybody's cup is a little bit different.

02:10:16.000 And some people develop mechanisms that help them lower down the amount in that cup, and others don't.

02:10:21.000 Is there any help for them while they're there?

02:10:24.000 Is there any counseling or any psychological training or preparation training?

02:10:29.000 I can't speak to the conventionals, but I can say it was there and available for us, so I can only hope that it was there and available for them, but...

02:10:36.000 Do you want to admit that in front of your peers?

02:10:38.000 You know what I mean?

02:10:39.000 There's some stigmatisms that come with...

02:10:41.000 I mean, it's a very...

02:10:41.000 I'd heard that, too, is that, like, if I go to say, hey, man, I'm having some psychological stuff from here, then you're unfit to lead anymore if you're in a command position because they can't put you back in because if something happens, then somebody can come back and say, he came and said that he wasn't...

02:10:57.000 So it's like you kind of take yourself out of a job if you admit that.

02:11:00.000 Is that not right?

02:11:01.000 You can, depending on how far down the road it goes, because obviously if you're trying to receive help for a certain level of...

02:11:12.000 Again, I don't want to say a problem, a certain level of issues that you're trying to deal with at some point that impedes your judgment, and they have to make the right call.

02:11:18.000 Sure.

02:11:18.000 But the guys who are overseas, they don't want to get...

02:11:21.000 One of the things that irritated me the most about getting hurt is because I got pulled out of the fight.

02:11:26.000 I wasn't done.

02:11:27.000 Like I said, to this day, Joe, if I could go get on an airplane and go overseas and affect some difference by getting back on target, I would do it.

02:11:36.000 Almost everyone who does what you do says that.

02:11:38.000 That's my friend Jody Mittick.

02:11:40.000 He lost both his legs from the knees down.

02:11:41.000 He's a Canadian Special Forces sniper.

02:11:43.000 And he's like, I love soldiering.

02:11:45.000 He's like, I would love to get back in there and soldier more if I could.

02:11:48.000 And I don't know why.

02:11:49.000 I can't articulate that.

02:11:50.000 But just like I can't articulate, I wanted to be a SEAL since I was 11. You know, I don't...

02:11:54.000 It's just...

02:11:55.000 It's something in me and the people that I worked with that that's just the way that it is.

02:12:00.000 Is it just because it's life turned up to 10?

02:12:03.000 The consequences are so high?

02:12:04.000 The...

02:12:05.000 I don't think so.

02:12:06.000 I don't think so.

02:12:07.000 For me, I mean, to be honest with you, I don't enjoy operating and living in environments where you're constantly at risk of losing your life, which is why I enjoyed being in control, right?

02:12:16.000 Like, knew where we were going, good intelligence, was able to make a plan.

02:12:20.000 We were going to execute our plan on somebody who didn't know we were coming, right?

02:12:26.000 I mean, dude, firefights can be scary.

02:12:27.000 It's all hell.

02:12:28.000 Especially if you start talking about, like, indoors, close proximity.

02:12:31.000 Like, I don't enjoy living in that environment. 0.98

02:12:32.000 That sucks.

02:12:33.000 I mean, there's terrifying stuff that happens. 0.98

02:12:36.000 It's so funny. 0.98

02:12:37.000 Like, you'll have an absolutely terrifying moment, and then the funniest thing you've ever seen in your goddamn life happens all in the span of 60 seconds. 0.98

02:12:44.000 Like what? 0.97

02:12:44.000 Like dudes making entry on a room that they use for a bathroom. 0.97

02:12:48.000 So they slip and slide and fall in human shit. 1.00

02:12:50.000 And they come out dry heaving. 1.00

02:12:52.000 And I'm just, I'm leaning up against a wall crying because I'm laughing so hard.

02:12:55.000 Because they go in there like a badass and they come out and they're just like...

02:13:00.000 And it happens in the span of 60 seconds, and you're like, what is going on?

02:13:04.000 Wow.

02:13:05.000 It's so hard to describe.

02:13:07.000 Is that, in a sense, similar to this experience that you're getting while you're doing these jumps?

02:13:13.000 Because everything is so intense.

02:13:16.000 Everything is so cranked up.

02:13:19.000 I think...

02:13:21.000 I discovered my appetite for the focus and clarity while I was in the military.

02:13:28.000 And I think maybe it was something that I couldn't articulate when I was young that I knew that I was searching for.

02:13:34.000 And for whatever reason, that particular occupation called me to do that.

02:13:38.000 But that occupation definitely refined that in me.

02:13:42.000 And I think I'm at a point now that if I don't have a way to find that focus, it would negatively impact my life.

02:13:48.000 So yeah, I do think that there's a tie-in somehow.

02:13:51.000 I don't necessarily know if it's linear.

02:13:54.000 It's not necessarily the risk of life because, you know, I can feel very fulfilled without risking my life.

02:14:02.000 It's, I don't know, maybe it's the impending risk of your life that provides that focus.

02:14:07.000 You know, there's a connection there somehow.

02:14:09.000 I just can't articulate it.

02:14:11.000 But somehow they're tied.

02:14:12.000 When you express frustration at looking at what's happening right now, places that the military had taken and controlled and now has lost control of, now that we've pulled out of Iraq and that we're pulling out of Afghanistan, what do you think should have been done differently?

02:14:31.000 Again, hindsight being 2020, I think occupation was a bad idea.

02:14:37.000 It's not sustainable.

02:14:39.000 I mean, what's happening to us in Afghanistan is exactly what happened to the Russians. 0.89

02:14:43.000 I mean, it's really just moving the dates on a calendar until it's modern day.

02:14:48.000 Well, it's crazy terrain, right?

02:14:50.000 I mean, it's gnarly.

02:14:51.000 It's the Hindu Kush.

02:14:52.000 And then sometimes it's desert.

02:14:53.000 Like, if you get down south in Kandahar, there's places that are beautiful.

02:14:57.000 It's like, it's desert.

02:14:58.000 And there's green and there's river valleys.

02:15:00.000 And then you get up into the northeast, like, you know, Abad and Jabad and Konar.

02:15:05.000 I mean, you can barely walk up.

02:15:07.000 Like, you've got to have your billy goat qual to get up those hills.

02:15:10.000 I mean, it's no joke.

02:15:12.000 Some of the most beautiful country I've ever seen in my life.

02:15:16.000 It just seems like an insane place to try to occupy given the fact that we know what happened with the Russians. 0.90

02:15:24.000 Yeah, well, again, I told you what I would do if I was king for a day.

02:15:28.000 That decision was so far above my pay grade.

02:15:31.000 But again, we also have hindsight being 20-20.

02:15:34.000 I don't think that when they plan to go in there after 9-11, if you would have asked anybody involved in the planning process if we'd still be there in 2015 going into 2016, I don't think a single one would have been like, yeah, we're still going to be there.

02:15:46.000 Not just that, but it seems like we're involved in an endless quagmire.

02:15:51.000 It doesn't seem like we're ever getting out of this because we've created so many enemies.

02:15:55.000 And that's why I would stop and pull every single person out of there.

02:15:58.000 You know what I mean?

02:16:00.000 That problem over there is not a problem that you're going to win via education, via occupation.

02:16:06.000 It's just not going to happen.

02:16:07.000 Yeah.

02:16:08.000 Well, what is going to happen?

02:16:09.000 Is it just going to take generation after generation?

02:16:12.000 Many lifetimes?

02:16:13.000 In my personal assessment, it's going to go back to being exactly what it was before we went.

02:16:19.000 Like I said, Afghanistan is a tribal society.

02:16:23.000 They don't understand the democracy that we're asking them about.

02:16:26.000 We want them to play tennis, but we're giving them golf clubs.

02:16:29.000 You know what I mean?

02:16:30.000 It just doesn't make sense to them.

02:16:32.000 And, you know, in Kabul, maybe it's largely successful because that's where a lot of the population is.

02:16:37.000 But as soon as you start splintering out to the areas that have no connection with Kabul, like, you know, there's no way that it's sustainable.

02:16:44.000 I think it's going to go back to being super tribal.

02:16:48.000 I think it's so strange, too, that we go on with all these different ideas of what it is that our objectives are, and then those objectives get muddied or changed throughout time.

02:16:56.000 And so it's kind of like, I mean, just oversimplify it.

02:17:00.000 It's like coming into a gym and going, well, what are your goals here?

02:17:02.000 Do you want self-defense?

02:17:03.000 Do you want weight loss?

02:17:04.000 And it's like those goals become this malleable thing.

02:17:09.000 So now we're nowhere.

02:17:10.000 Yeah.

02:17:12.000 Don't spend too much time thinking about it, too.

02:17:13.000 I don't, man.

02:17:14.000 I just try to impact where I can, which is right here.

02:17:17.000 Well, for us as civilians to be thinking about is one thing.

02:17:20.000 For a guy like you who risked his life over there, he's walking around with a numb leg.

02:17:23.000 Yeah.

02:17:23.000 There's a much more intense connection to what's happening.

02:17:28.000 There is.

02:17:29.000 And again, to answer your question full circle, why did I start doing the wingsuit stuff and why did I try to set the world record?

02:17:36.000 Because...

02:17:37.000 I know I can't physically go over there.

02:17:39.000 Like, you know, my number one priority would be to go over there and get back in line with the guys and do it, but I can't.

02:17:44.000 I mean, that day is done for me.

02:17:46.000 So, the wingsuit thing, and it all comes from, like, I wake up in the morning and I watch the news, and I'm like, God... 0.99

02:17:53.000 Damn it. 0.98

02:17:54.000 Like, I want to do something. 0.99

02:17:55.000 And the only thing I can do now is support those guys.

02:17:57.000 Which was the only reason that I wanted to try to break the world record. 0.94

02:18:00.000 Because who gives a shit about a wingsuit, horizontal distance traveled. 0.89

02:18:03.000 It's totally irrelevant, right? 0.96

02:18:04.000 That's why I did it as a fundraiser.

02:18:06.000 Trying to raise money for the SEAL Foundation.

02:18:08.000 They told me you were going to donate $100K to you.

02:18:10.000 That's super generous of you.

02:18:11.000 I really appreciate that, Joe.

02:18:12.000 And then...

02:18:13.000 He's pissed.

02:18:15.000 It's adorable.

02:18:17.000 Now, it's...

02:18:19.000 I mean, that's why I did it because I can't get rid of that mechanism of like, you know what I mean?

02:18:25.000 For me, it felt like when I did that and started going down this road of trying to give back to the community, I started feeling better again about my station and where I fit in the bigger thing because although it's not direct, it's indirect and those people that I'm trying to support are directly supporting them.

02:18:42.000 You know what I mean?

02:18:42.000 Yeah.

02:18:43.000 That's the only way I can justify it to myself.

02:18:44.000 It's substantive.

02:18:45.000 It's like when you say don't overthink, and it's like I really don't.

02:18:48.000 All this stuff that is all amidst us, I can exact change in the community and where I am and the people that I love.

02:18:56.000 When I met you, man, it was just so inspiring.

02:19:00.000 Like the change that you can exact with what you're doing and with where it goes because you know like the help that's out there and that's not out there and what the Navy SEAL Foundation does for guys is invaluable because our government fails them all the way.

02:19:12.000 They want everybody to rah-rah the soldiers until the soldiers come home, man.

02:19:14.000 And the fight that you're in is vastly more important than you being on the ground somewhere, I think.

02:19:19.000 Well, it was one of the most disturbing things about doing these UFC fight for the troops is that we were raising money for the Intrepid Center for Excellence.

02:19:28.000 NICO, the National Intrepid.

02:19:30.000 So that's where they sent me when I got medically retired.

02:19:32.000 Yeah.

02:19:33.000 That was the best medical treatment I'd ever received in the military.

02:19:37.000 Yeah, I mean, it's incredible.

02:19:38.000 Have you visited it, by the way?

02:19:40.000 No.

02:19:40.000 You should go, man.

02:19:41.000 I should.

02:19:41.000 It's right across the street from Walter Reed, but I will tell you this.

02:19:45.000 Is that Bethesda?

02:19:46.000 Yes.

02:19:46.000 So it's Walter Reed directly across the street is Nyko.

02:19:51.000 So if you're going to go over there, you need to strap in for what you're going to see because that is the landing point for people who come home fucked up. 0.97

02:19:57.000 And you're going to see amputations. 0.87

02:19:59.000 You're going to see dudes who are three or four days from a really traumatic event in their life.

02:20:02.000 And what got me when I was there was not seeing the guys because I was used to that. 1.00

02:20:07.000 It was seeing their fucking parents. 0.99

02:20:09.000 Like, a father wheeling his son into Bethesda for the first time, checking him in, and he's got, like, bloody bandages on him. 1.00

02:20:16.000 Like, they're hooked up to all the machines, and you can see that the dad has just destroyed him.

02:20:21.000 You know what I mean?

02:20:21.000 Because his son is never going to be the man that he wanted to be again.

02:20:25.000 So I can't recommend to you enough that you go, but you've got to be ready.

02:20:30.000 It's an emotional event.

02:20:31.000 Like, it crushed me.

02:20:32.000 My dad came out to visit me.

02:20:34.000 And it's tough, man.

02:20:35.000 I didn't expect that either.

02:20:37.000 I didn't expect to have that.

02:20:39.000 I mean, I had to go sit down for a little bit.

02:20:41.000 It just rocked me because I can only imagine what happened when my dad got the phone call that I got hurt.

02:20:46.000 I get hurt.

02:20:48.000 They're like, morphine, two liter bottle.

02:20:51.000 Here's a cell phone.

02:20:52.000 Call your wife. 0.81

02:20:53.000 I'm like drooling on myself.

02:20:54.000 Hey, honey, I'll be home in 36 hours.

02:20:57.000 And then she had to call my dad.

02:20:59.000 And then I can only imagine what that would be based off how much I love my son's That gut-wrenching moment when you get the call, hey, your son's okay, but... 0.99

02:21:12.000 Goddamn. 0.99

02:21:13.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:21:15.000 What I was going to say was that the Intrepid needed someone like the UFC to raise the money.

02:21:20.000 Right.

02:21:20.000 It was so disturbing.

02:21:21.000 It's proudly funded.

02:21:22.000 Yeah.

02:21:22.000 How is that not taken care of by the government?

02:21:24.000 How do they have all this money to build?

02:21:26.000 Did you say the Pentagon built some $43 million gas station and they can't justify why they spent so much money on it?

02:21:32.000 Oh, my God.

02:21:32.000 I read that, too.

02:21:33.000 They can't account for it.

02:21:34.000 It doesn't work.

02:21:35.000 Yeah.

02:21:36.000 Zero percent of the vehicles there use that type of fuel and they can't find the funding anyway, like...

02:21:41.000 I mean, I remember when I was a kid, and it's like, you'd hear it all the time, that a hammer costs $600 if you were buying, and stuff like that. 0.89

02:21:50.000 And it's like, man, with that kind of graft and nepotism and bullshit that goes on, and then these guys are dying. 0.94

02:21:55.000 Are you kidding me right now? 0.99

02:21:56.000 Well, there's so many people.

02:21:58.000 I mean, that's always been the biggest issue with bureaucracy, right?

02:22:00.000 There's so many different people that have their hands in the system, and they're not accountable.

02:22:04.000 Like, when you pay your taxes, you don't get a receipt.

02:22:06.000 Totally.

02:22:06.000 You know, hey, Tate, they used 500 bucks.

02:22:09.000 Check the box with where you want it to go.

02:22:10.000 Yeah.

02:22:10.000 I want, you know, most of my money to go to education.

02:22:13.000 I'd like a little bit to go to fixing the streets.

02:22:15.000 No, you don't get that option.

02:22:17.000 They're just like, thank you. 0.94

02:22:18.000 Thank you, and we'll do whatever the fuck we want to do with this money. 0.82

02:22:21.000 We're not accountable at all. 0.99

02:22:23.000 So, you know, when you think $43 million worth of theft, okay, if you work for Costco and $43 million is missing, Andy, get into the fucking office, please. 0.99

02:22:31.000 Yes. 0.99

02:22:32.000 We're missing a few pieces of chicken nuggets.

02:22:34.000 Would you like to explain yourself?

02:22:35.000 There's $43 million missing.

02:22:37.000 A gas station, which is supposed to cost a half a million dollars to build, cost 43 million.

02:22:42.000 Totally.

02:22:42.000 So please tell us what happened.

02:22:44.000 You know, fucking taxes got to go. 0.99

02:22:46.000 No, you'd have to be responsible. 1.00

02:22:48.000 You'd have to be accountable.

02:22:49.000 But this is just a blurb in the news.

02:22:50.000 It'll be replaced tomorrow by some new, you know, whatever.

02:22:55.000 We'll start a new disaster.

02:22:56.000 I mean, that's where I think about conspiracies.

02:22:58.000 We'll start a new disaster so it takes your focus off that. 1.00

02:23:01.000 That shit happens. 0.99

02:23:03.000 And meanwhile, NYCO is asking for money because they're having problems... 1.00

02:23:07.000 Funding the organization.

02:23:08.000 And I'm telling you, it was the best.

02:23:10.000 It was the single reason that I got medically retired.

02:23:12.000 I didn't have enough stuff in my medical record.

02:23:14.000 I went there for 30 days, had a doctor assigned to me.

02:23:17.000 My exit interview was like four hours long, 150 pages from blood work to bone stuff to arthritis.

02:23:24.000 I mean, it was insane.

02:23:24.000 I could do chiropractics.

02:23:25.000 I could do acupuncture, all the stuff that I never would have thought that I could do.

02:23:29.000 And it was all because of the benevolence of others.

02:23:33.000 Yeah, it's all privately funded.

02:23:35.000 Yeah.

02:23:35.000 Have you ever been down to San Diego and seen the SEAL training?

02:23:38.000 No.

02:23:39.000 You want to go down?

02:23:40.000 Yeah.

02:23:40.000 All right.

02:23:41.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:23:42.000 I've been down to... 0.99

02:23:43.000 I flew with the Blue Angels once, which is off San Diego.

02:23:46.000 You know, you go out to the...

02:23:47.000 You backseat ride?

02:23:48.000 Yeah, it was awesome.

02:23:49.000 I threw up.

02:23:49.000 I threw up too.

02:23:51.000 I didn't throw up until the end, though. 0.96

02:23:53.000 I was so fucking disappointing in myself. 0.97

02:23:55.000 I kept it together until the end, and then I relaxed too much, and then I threw up. 0.98

02:23:59.000 It's like I held it solid up until the end.

02:24:02.000 Did they warn you before you guys start?

02:24:04.000 It's the G's, man.

02:24:05.000 At the end, it was less at the end that I threw up than I had been through before, but I just thought the hard part was pretty much over.

02:24:14.000 What's hard about it?

02:24:15.000 What goes on?

02:24:16.000 The stress.

02:24:16.000 It's the G's.

02:24:17.000 And what got me is not in the turns.

02:24:19.000 It was about six seconds after the turns.

02:24:21.000 Like, your inner ear is adjusting, and then you're just like...

02:24:23.000 You know how when you're getting choked, you know how you're getting choked, you kind of like see the lights going dark?

02:24:29.000 Sure.

02:24:30.000 Well, this is a slow version of it.

02:24:32.000 A slower version.

02:24:34.000 Because, you know, if you get choked, if someone has you in a rear naked, it's only like a second or two you have to tap before you're going out.

02:24:40.000 But this is like three or four seconds.

02:24:42.000 Yeah.

02:24:42.000 But it's like an elevator door.

02:24:44.000 Like, you know, an elevator door is closing?

02:24:45.000 You literally see the black on both sides and you see a narrow strip.

02:24:48.000 But then you hit the button.

02:24:48.000 You're hitting the button.

02:24:48.000 You're like, open up!

02:24:49.000 And it goes...

02:24:50.000 And then it comes back.

02:24:51.000 What is it?

02:24:52.000 Hit a button?

02:24:52.000 No, you're saying the elevator doors are shutting.

02:24:54.000 Yes, yes, yes.

02:24:54.000 But then they come out of it and you're like hitting the open button so it comes back out.

02:24:57.000 So you're hooking.

02:24:59.000 So you're holding on to the straps and you're like this.

02:25:01.000 Hunch!

02:25:02.000 Hunch!

02:25:03.000 You're forcing the blood into your brain, and I'm hearing the fucking pilot, and he's doing it too. 1.00

02:25:08.000 I'm like, oh shit, he's blacking out too. 1.00

02:25:10.000 He's not doing it like they're getting after it. 1.00

02:25:13.000 Those guys are dead, because they're not wearing a G-suit. 1.00

02:25:15.000 Yeah, they don't wear G-suits.

02:25:17.000 They can't.

02:25:17.000 It'll interfere with their controls of the airplane.

02:25:19.000 Mm-hmm.

02:25:19.000 I want the bus driver to be fully conscious all the time.

02:25:22.000 They're all jacked. 1.00

02:25:23.000 All those guys are like fucking pit bulls. 1.00

02:25:26.000 Because you have to be physically strong to be able to do that. 1.00

02:25:30.000 There's a lot of physicality involved in flying one of those.

02:25:33.000 It's an F-A-18, is that what it is?

02:25:34.000 F-A-18 Hornet, yep.

02:25:35.000 I can't imagine because I know guys that even race track cars. 0.98

02:25:39.000 And they're just from turning and they'll be completely bruised and fucked up. 0.97

02:25:43.000 They'll wear harnesses to keep themselves straight and all that. 0.91

02:25:46.000 I can't imagine what an airplane that's doing 4G. We went six and a half and that's just because that's all my bitch ass could take. 1.00

02:25:53.000 Like, those guys, they go to nine. 0.99

02:25:55.000 I was like, I would like to not do any more of those turns, and also wears the in-flight bag.

02:26:01.000 And it's like, it would be harder for you than it is for me, because I'm only 5'8".

02:26:05.000 You're like, what, 6'3"?

02:26:06.000 Yeah, somewhere there.

02:26:07.000 See, when you get the taller you are, the more distance between your heart and your brain.

02:26:11.000 It's harder to get that blood up there.

02:26:13.000 Short dudes like me, like, all the fighter pilots are always 5'8", 5'10".

02:26:18.000 So, like, when Top Gun happened, And then everybody tried to join the Air Force or whatever it was, or the Navy to fly.

02:26:24.000 Best recruiting tool for the Navy ever.

02:26:26.000 Before, their window was like 5'7 to 5'11.

02:26:29.000 And then they're like, nope, 5'9 and one quarter, or else you're not welcome, because there were so many people that wanted to join.

02:26:34.000 And that's why that height is.

02:26:35.000 They want that height for that reason. 1.00

02:26:37.000 I thought it was the cockpit size or...

02:26:39.000 I think a lot of it is being able to control...

02:26:42.000 Well, obviously, different planes, they use different things, and some planes do use G-suits.

02:26:48.000 Every plane, except for the Blue Angels, actually does.

02:26:51.000 Yeah.

02:26:51.000 So it's easier if you wear a G-suit.

02:26:54.000 But when you're jacked, those dudes, all of them are like these pitbull dudes.

02:26:59.000 And because of that, they can force that blood.

02:27:02.000 They can stay conscious and deal with a lot of pressure that...

02:27:05.000 Crazy.

02:27:05.000 You know, like some Larry Bird type dude is just not going to be able to handle it.

02:27:08.000 He's going out.

02:27:08.000 He's going to go out.

02:27:09.000 And what's insane is while they're dealing with that pressure, their airplane is from me to Joe.

02:27:14.000 Yeah.

02:27:15.000 Like, they're looking at a single rivet on the aircraft.

02:27:18.000 That's their marker is a single rivet.

02:27:20.000 So they're like, hoot, hoot, like Joe's talking about, and just...

02:27:23.000 You know, formation flying, no big deal.

02:27:25.000 300 knots.

02:27:26.000 Formation flying.

02:27:27.000 Formation flying.

02:27:28.000 So they're like really close to each other.

02:27:30.000 Really, really close.

02:27:31.000 I've seen them when I was a little kid.

02:27:32.000 I remember seeing them come down, swoop in, and their wings are damn near overlapping, it looks like.

02:27:37.000 I mean, visually, it's crazy.

02:27:38.000 Well, I remember, I mean, there's been many, many times where, especially like in other countries, they've done those air shows and collided with each other.

02:27:45.000 And then they go into the crowd in these fireballs.

02:27:47.000 Did you see the guys with the jet suits or the jet packs?

02:27:50.000 Yes.

02:27:50.000 I sent you that link on Twitter.

02:27:52.000 I sent you too.

02:27:53.000 Same night.

02:27:53.000 I saw it, man.

02:27:54.000 These motherfuckers, they got jetpacks and they're flying next to like a DC-10 or something. 1.00

02:27:58.000 It's the new Airbus. 1.00

02:28:00.000 These dudes in Dubai. 1.00

02:28:01.000 It's the next level shit. 1.00

02:28:02.000 They got rigid wings. 0.99

02:28:03.000 They're doing a formation flight with an Airbus.

02:28:05.000 They have jetpacks.

02:28:06.000 And how far can they fly?

02:28:07.000 I think they can fly for about 30 minutes.

02:28:09.000 Whoa.

02:28:09.000 They were changing positions, going around the plane.

02:28:12.000 Fucking dude, it's crazy. 1.00

02:28:15.000 Oh, Jamie, find that. 1.00

02:28:16.000 It shouldn't be hard.

02:28:17.000 That's like next level stuff.

02:28:18.000 30 minutes is a long time.

02:28:20.000 And they can go up and then they can glide.

02:28:22.000 They can turn the jets off and they glide down because it's a rigid wing structure on their back.

02:28:26.000 When I was in Denver, oh, here's a guy.

02:28:29.000 Oh, dude, this is crazy.

02:28:31.000 So these guys are flying.

02:28:33.000 How high are they?

02:28:35.000 Let's take a look here.

02:28:36.000 I mean, that's like airplane height.

02:28:38.000 That's lower, though.

02:28:40.000 That's probably sub-10.

02:28:41.000 Yeah.

02:28:41.000 Oh, sub-10?

02:28:42.000 Okay.

02:28:42.000 Yeah, that's a guy that's looking at a picture on TV on the ground.

02:28:45.000 How crazy is this?

02:28:46.000 Oh, my God.

02:28:46.000 These guys are just flying.

02:28:48.000 They have jets.

02:28:49.000 Now, are they going 150?

02:28:51.000 300?

02:28:51.000 How fast are they going?

02:28:52.000 They're in the hundreds.

02:28:53.000 They're probably topping out at 200. Oh, my God.

02:28:55.000 This is insane.

02:28:57.000 Your lips are just flapping.

02:28:58.000 You've got a full screen on, right?

02:28:59.000 Maybe yours, bro.

02:29:00.000 Maybe yours.

02:29:01.000 Yours?

02:29:01.000 Well, look at those big old things.

02:29:03.000 Those things would be flapping like biscuits. 0.94

02:29:05.000 You kidding me?

02:29:06.000 My lips have a lot of power behind them, bro.

02:29:08.000 I heard. 1.00

02:29:12.000 That's over that fucking bullshit man-made island area that's sinking. 1.00

02:29:16.000 Dude, this is nuts, man. 1.00

02:29:18.000 This is all Dubai, right?

02:29:20.000 Where you can just do anything you want.

02:29:22.000 The people who pay for this just walk out to the desert and pull out $100 bills. 0.99

02:29:25.000 This is fucking insane. 0.95

02:29:27.000 Looking at these guys with these suits on, they're essentially like human airplanes. 0.99

02:29:32.000 This isn't just a jetpack. 1.00

02:29:33.000 This is like comic book shit. 0.99

02:29:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:29:36.000 Fucking madness. 1.00

02:29:37.000 Totally spraying chemtrails all over the people of Dubai. 1.00

02:29:40.000 Yep.

02:29:40.000 Look at that.

02:29:41.000 They are chemtrailing. 1.00

02:29:42.000 Look at this fucking... 1.00

02:29:43.000 Oh my god, they just separate. 1.00

02:29:45.000 Look at that guy.

02:29:46.000 What is happening here?

02:29:48.000 Wow, that is madness.

02:29:49.000 It's next level right there.

02:29:50.000 Well, how long before that becomes something we see all the time?

02:29:53.000 I think it's cost prohibitive.

02:29:54.000 Oh, is it?

02:29:55.000 But right now, right?

02:29:56.000 Six years.

02:29:57.000 Skydive Dubai.

02:29:58.000 That's a place you can go right now.

02:29:59.000 They get two drops.

02:30:00.000 Roll your Bugatti Bayron.

02:30:01.000 I know what you're doing next weekend. 1.00

02:30:03.000 Right into the fucking parking lot. 1.00

02:30:04.000 Dude, they... 1.00

02:30:04.000 Yeah, you know the deal with Dubai. 1.00

02:30:06.000 The money over there is insane.

02:30:07.000 Like, you've never seen so many million dollar cars in your life.

02:30:10.000 Like, they're all over the place.

02:30:12.000 It's amazing.

02:30:12.000 Like, that when you're like, oh, you know, I remember asking a long time ago, I'm like, what's it like having money like that?

02:30:18.000 And you're like, it's like everything's free.

02:30:20.000 And it's like, for those guys, what is that like?

02:30:22.000 Like, human life is free?

02:30:23.000 Like, anything is free.

02:30:25.000 Like, it doesn't matter.

02:30:26.000 Like, a $10 thing, $50,000 for them, it doesn't matter.

02:30:30.000 Like, you meet those really rich guys like that?

02:30:34.000 Well, those guys also, their wealth isn't public.

02:30:37.000 It's not like, you know, everyone talks about the wealthiest people in the world.

02:30:40.000 They're not sharing that information.

02:30:41.000 They're not racking and stacking. 1.00

02:30:43.000 They're like, Forbes, eat dicks, dummy. 1.00

02:30:45.000 You guys are bitches. 1.00

02:30:46.000 You're not even kings. 1.00

02:30:47.000 You wear a tie around.

02:30:49.000 I'm wearing leopards.

02:30:51.000 We have so much money that we don't need a list.

02:30:55.000 We've got leopard skull, cod pieces.

02:30:57.000 Have you seen my diamond-encrusted Ferrari?

02:31:00.000 It's just diamonds. 0.99

02:31:02.000 Well, I remember there was a great fucking story on TV once about this chick that she ratted out the Sultan of Brunei. 1.00

02:31:10.000 Probably a good idea. 0.99

02:31:11.000 Yeah, a terrible idea.

02:31:12.000 That's going to work out great for her in the long run.

02:31:14.000 Best snuff film ever.

02:31:16.000 He's one of my all-time favorite characters in human history.

02:31:19.000 Because what he did was he made his own disco. 0.99

02:31:22.000 And he had so much fucking money. 0.99

02:31:24.000 I mean, he had hundreds of Ferraris. 1.00

02:31:26.000 He just had this insane...

02:31:28.000 I'm not kidding.

02:31:28.000 Hundreds.

02:31:29.000 And so he made his own disco.

02:31:31.000 So he has a palace.

02:31:32.000 It's an enormous palace. 0.99

02:31:33.000 And he created this fucking huge, elaborate discotheque where it was all just girls that he had flown in. 0.99

02:31:41.000 So he'd fly these girls in. 0.98

02:31:42.000 He'd give them like 50 grand a week.

02:31:44.000 You know, like, giving them, like, sitcom money.

02:31:46.000 And they're all, like, you know, these penthouse pets.

02:31:48.000 And they're all living there. 1.00

02:31:49.000 And they caught one broad with a fucking laptop. 0.99

02:31:51.000 And she was, like, documenting it all for a tell-all book. 0.99

02:31:53.000 And they'd given her hundreds of thousands of dollars in jewelry. 1.00

02:31:56.000 And they took all that shit from her and kicked her out of the fucking town. 1.00

02:31:59.000 And then she did all these interviews. 1.00

02:32:00.000 But the dude would just come down in his golden underwear and fucking start skating around. 0.99

02:32:04.000 Like, doo-doo-doo. 1.00

02:32:05.000 Who am I fucking? 1.00

02:32:06.000 I'll take you. 1.00

02:32:08.000 Come with me.

02:32:08.000 And the rest of them kick rocks.

02:32:10.000 You know, tomorrow maybe you'd be lucky and get some Leroyal dick. 0.99

02:32:12.000 That's what I heard about some guys like that. 1.00

02:32:14.000 They have hundreds of girls, and maybe the most of them, 80% of them, he's not even fucking. 0.97

02:32:18.000 It's just like there's just here and there and whatever. 0.88

02:32:20.000 And they stay there, and they form a little community, and all these little hoes just hang out together and pal around. 1.00

02:32:26.000 I mean, it's just total next-level shit. 0.99

02:32:28.000 This is happening current day. 1.00

02:32:30.000 Oh, yeah!

02:32:31.000 Stop it.

02:32:32.000 They would also pay celebrity girls extreme amounts of money.

02:32:37.000 To join the harem? 1.00

02:32:37.000 To fuck. 1.00

02:32:38.000 How about that? 1.00

02:32:38.000 To come down and fuck. 1.00

02:32:40.000 They'd fly them in. 1.00

02:32:41.000 Floyd Mayweather did that with Nicki Minaj.

02:32:43.000 He's like, 50 grand to come up and talk to me for a half hour in my hotel room.

02:32:46.000 There was something like that I read before his last fight. 0.99

02:32:49.000 And it's like, you know, people will fuck you money like that. 0.99

02:32:51.000 They're like... 1.00

02:32:53.000 Whatever, celebrity.

02:32:54.000 Everybody's got their price.

02:32:55.000 Yeah, but I think the amount of money that these guys have over Floyd Mayweather, it's like Floyd Mayweather over the dude who works at Starbucks.

02:33:04.000 He's their busboy.

02:33:05.000 It's insane.

02:33:06.000 They have trillions of dollars.

02:33:09.000 When you think about the richest people in the world, they're worth like 90 billion dollars.

02:33:12.000 What is this, Jamie, you just pulled up?

02:33:13.000 It's a plane.

02:33:14.000 It's probably a plane.

02:33:15.000 The Salt-Nurbanais plane?

02:33:16.000 Yeah.

02:33:16.000 Oh my god, it's got a pool in it.

02:33:18.000 His plane has a pool in it.

02:33:20.000 Is that a pool or is that like a...

02:33:21.000 I think it's a glass bottom.

02:33:23.000 Dude, it's a pool, no?

02:33:25.000 What is that?

02:33:25.000 Yeah, magic carpet.

02:33:26.000 The floor is a giant screen which will show the floor. 0.98

02:33:29.000 It's all fucking squirrely looking. 0.76

02:33:31.000 Can you make it larger so we can see it better? 0.99

02:33:33.000 That is insane.

02:33:35.000 It is a floor!

02:33:37.000 It's a glass floor!

02:33:37.000 I bet you it's got a camera underneath that probably projects onto the floor.

02:33:40.000 Oh my god.

02:33:41.000 Okay, it's a screen, which will show the ground.

02:33:44.000 Well, you know that they're going to do that now with planes?

02:33:46.000 They're going to make the entire roof of the plane an LED screen or an LCD screen, where you're going to be able to see the actual outside of the plane, like the clouds and all the terrain.

02:33:55.000 Almost like a transparent type thing?

02:33:57.000 Exactly.

02:33:58.000 Seriously?

02:33:58.000 Yes.

02:33:59.000 It'll be a screen.

02:34:00.000 And the screen will project.

02:34:02.000 They've already, like, made prototypes of these, and they've shown, like, videos of what the planes of the future would be like.

02:34:08.000 But the entire top of the plane, like from the windows up, will all just be the actual clouds that are above the plane.

02:34:14.000 I saw a buddy.

02:34:15.000 He flew to...

02:34:17.000 He might have flown to Dubai.

02:34:18.000 And they were in first class for whatever that trip was, and the whole wall of the plane was clear.

02:34:23.000 It was like a huge window.

02:34:25.000 It was almost like their first class was like a living room experience.

02:34:32.000 It was crazy.

02:34:34.000 Because I was talking to Kyle before he left to go fight this weekend.

02:34:38.000 Right.

02:34:38.000 And I was like, well, what's business class like?

02:34:40.000 And he's like, dude, you lay down, they come bring you a mattress.

02:34:42.000 And I'm like, that sounds awesome.

02:34:44.000 And I'm like, what's business class?

02:34:47.000 He's describing first class better than first class in America on Qantas.

02:34:52.000 I've done it.

02:34:53.000 First class on Qantas, you get an apartment.

02:34:54.000 Yeah, I was like, what's first class like?

02:34:56.000 Might as well be an apartment.

02:34:57.000 It's like your own pod.

02:34:58.000 I remember Ari posted pictures once. 0.89

02:35:00.000 Yeah.

02:35:01.000 Yeah, Ari flew with me.

02:35:02.000 It's like your own room.

02:35:03.000 Not only does your chair fully recline, but it turns left and right.

02:35:08.000 And then you have two TVs.

02:35:10.000 Just in case.

02:35:11.000 I don't really want to have to go to the effort.

02:35:13.000 I'll just make my chair.

02:35:14.000 It goes like Ari would come over and sit with me. 1.00

02:35:16.000 Because it's like a fucking 15 hour flight. 0.99

02:35:18.000 It's a ridiculously long flight. 1.00

02:35:21.000 Goddamn. 0.99

02:35:21.000 And Ari may or may not have come on board with some pot brownies that stunk so bad I made him throw them out. 0.99

02:35:26.000 I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

02:35:28.000 Not the country you want to mess around. 1.00

02:35:29.000 He's like, I made it myself.

02:35:31.000 Yeah, that's the one place where Sylvester Stallone got busted for HGH. Well, he came in in his private jet with, like, cases of the shit. 1.00

02:35:38.000 That homeboy is just fucking mainline. 1.00

02:35:40.000 They might have overlooked a little bit, but yeah, if you come in with... 0.99

02:35:45.000 Hey, man, I don't blame him.

02:35:46.000 He's my canary in a coal mine.

02:35:48.000 90,000 years old.

02:35:49.000 That's awesome.

02:35:50.000 I saw him and Dinero in that movie Grudge Match or whatever the other night.

02:35:56.000 And I'm like, how do you not get behind the argument to be enhanced?

02:36:01.000 Right.

02:36:01.000 Like, if you look at a normal 70-year-old guy and you look at Sylvester Stallone, you're like, that's better.

02:36:06.000 Well, do you remember that movie that he was in, Bullet in the Head, where he was shredded?

02:36:12.000 Where Jason Momoa's in it, right?

02:36:14.000 I think so.

02:36:14.000 He fights Jason Momoa, I think.

02:36:16.000 67 years old.

02:36:17.000 Just lean as all hell.

02:36:18.000 Shredded, muscular.

02:36:19.000 Six-pack, veiny.

02:36:21.000 Looks like he had some kind of surgery on his pec or something.

02:36:23.000 Long time ago.

02:36:24.000 Long time ago.

02:36:25.000 All his Rocky movies, you see that, too.

02:36:27.000 It's almost like he's got a cable that connects his pec to his shoulder.

02:36:31.000 Why not, though?

02:36:32.000 I mean, seriously, like, if it's not a financial barrier to you, I mean, the only negative side effect of that stuff is you immediately stop aging.

02:36:40.000 You could instantly say that it's even a cost-benefit because of all the stuff that you move aside that you're going to have health risks at anyway, that you take away by being in better condition.

02:36:52.000 Also, you have more energy to do things and enjoy things.

02:36:54.000 Like, the idea that, like, it's a manly thing.

02:36:56.000 Like, people are like, where do you get your testosterone from, bro? 0.99

02:36:59.000 I'll give mine for my balls. 1.00

02:37:00.000 You gotta get it from a needle, bro? 0.99

02:37:03.000 No, but I mean, that's like the argument.

02:37:04.000 That's the argument, right?

02:37:05.000 Where do you get yours from, bro? 1.00

02:37:06.000 I'll get mine from my balls. 1.00

02:37:08.000 I'll get mine from Joe's balls. 1.00

02:37:10.000 Where do you get your fucking toothpaste from? 1.00

02:37:12.000 I get it from the grocery store. 1.00

02:37:13.000 Shut up. 0.99

02:37:14.000 Give it 20 more years and see if you've still got the same answer. 0.98

02:37:17.000 I was just listening to Charles Poliquin, and he talks a lot about it.

02:37:20.000 Charles who?

02:37:21.000 Poliquin.

02:37:22.000 Poliquin, is it?

02:37:23.000 He's a strength coach, like, old school dude.

02:37:26.000 Well, how about your boy Louie?

02:37:28.000 Westside Barbell?

02:37:29.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:37:29.000 Louie Simmons.

02:37:30.000 Oh, my God.

02:37:31.000 He's rad, dude.

02:37:31.000 Also awesome.

02:37:32.000 I got his fucking machine back there, the Reverse Hyper. 1.00

02:37:36.000 That's a game changer, that fucking machine. 1.00

02:37:38.000 Him, like, the Sweats, like, who kind of take his gospel and spread it. 1.00

02:37:42.000 Shane Sweat and Laura Phelps Sweat.

02:37:45.000 Laura's the strongest woman in the world. 0.59

02:37:46.000 How funny is it her last name is Sweat. 0.91

02:37:48.000 Yeah, dude.

02:37:48.000 Well, it's Shane's name.

02:37:50.000 And Shane is probably the best power and speed strength coach.

02:37:53.000 Everybody thinks it's just power lifting.

02:37:55.000 And Louie's like, that's such a misnomer.

02:37:57.000 It's not what I'm about.

02:37:58.000 He changes the dynamics of whatever kind of athleticism you're into.

02:38:01.000 If you're a cross-country athlete, if you're a swimmer, if you're a power fighter.

02:38:07.000 It's a trip. 0.99

02:38:07.000 I believe that if more MMA guys got into it, they would turn in touching boxing into fucking knockout strikes. 0.99

02:38:15.000 Well, Matt Brown has done a lot of work with him. 0.97

02:38:17.000 Yeah, that's who works with him all the time.

02:38:18.000 Him and Shane are really good friends, and he and Louie, and then, yeah, it's an interesting thing, man.

02:38:24.000 That would happen because they'd have more power behind the strike itself?

02:38:27.000 Yeah, they're learning how to turn into it more, and they're learning how to accentuate their top-end power so that they can actually turn that over, as opposed to moving slowly through movements and teaching explosivity.

02:38:38.000 Okay.

02:38:39.000 You know, I had the bigger, stronger, faster guys on.

02:38:42.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:38:43.000 The Bells.

02:38:43.000 Yeah.

02:38:44.000 Mark's a good friend.

02:38:45.000 He's a good guy.

02:38:46.000 Great guy.

02:38:47.000 Mark's a great guy.

02:38:48.000 And we were just talking about the stigma that's attached to these substances because of the idea of cheating.

02:38:54.000 Sure.

02:38:54.000 You know, when you look at, like, baseball and you look at cheating the great American pastime.

02:38:58.000 Right.

02:38:59.000 You know, what's going on with Russia right now?

02:39:00.000 We're talking about they're literally going to pull Russia out of the Olympics.

02:39:04.000 Widespread.

02:39:05.000 Documented cheating program on the state level.

02:39:08.000 They're just cheating.

02:39:10.000 They're like, here's the protocol, get on it.

02:39:12.000 That's what they've always done.

02:39:13.000 That's been going on from the beginning of time.

02:39:15.000 That's what everybody's been doing at the Olympics.

02:39:17.000 They found out about it from the Russians, though.

02:39:19.000 The Russians were the first. 0.99

02:39:21.000 Yeah, them and East Germans, right? 0.67

02:39:22.000 Yeah.

02:39:23.000 When Germany was split up?

02:39:24.000 Eastern block countries, yeah. 0.78

02:39:25.000 I feel like that...

02:39:26.000 I mean, when you started talking and you had that Nowitzki dude on here or whatever, and talking about genetically changing things and the myostatin inhibitors and all that kind of stuff, it just seems like, at a certain point, if you want to have natural athletes, like, say, in the UFC... In 15 years,

02:39:43.000 everybody in the stands is going to be in better shape and better condition than the actual athletes.

02:39:47.000 Well, you know what it's going to be like?

02:39:48.000 It's going to be like churning your own butter and riding a horse to work.

02:39:51.000 Yeah, you're mitigating evolution.

02:39:52.000 It's like, congratulations. 0.99

02:39:54.000 And the reasons that they're doing it are so foolish sounding. 0.99

02:39:57.000 They just sound like children. 0.99

02:39:58.000 Well, I get it. 0.99

02:39:59.000 I get it because like what you get out of competition, if you see a guy who's gone through an eight-week training camp, he's fighting, you know, Chris Weidman versus Luke Rockhold, both guys, we would assume clean, you know, training their entire life, getting ready for this moment, the amount of discipline and focus that's required to get through that fucking camp is goddamn brutal. 0.98

02:40:19.000 It's soul-searing. 0.97

02:40:21.000 You know, these guys are getting up every morning with exhausted bodies, and they're doing their strength and conditioning, they're doing their sparring, they're doing all their technical training, and they're fucking tired all the time, man. 0.89

02:40:30.000 They get through it, and that's one of the things that Vitor and Weidman had added at the weigh-ins, where Weidman pointed his finger at him, and he goes, you were fucking using during camp, because they did their blood screens, and Weidman's...

02:40:42.000 Vitor had a testosterone use exemption for the longest time, and his testosterone, when he was on, was off the charts. 0.99

02:40:49.000 Three times a human kind of shit. 0.97

02:40:51.000 1475 was the highest number that he tested for, right? 1.00

02:40:55.000 During camp.

02:40:56.000 While they're in camp.

02:40:57.000 This is after they take his testosterone away.

02:40:59.000 Okay?

02:40:59.000 They say, you can't use it anymore.

02:41:01.000 He tested 1,200.

02:41:03.000 And Weidman tested 300. And so Weidman's like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:41:07.000 He goes, you were using during camp. 1.00

02:41:08.000 And he goes, I'm going to make you fucking pay for that tomorrow. 0.98

02:41:11.000 And he said it to them at the weigh-ins. 0.99

02:41:12.000 And you could see the look in Vitor's eyes.

02:41:14.000 He's like, there's a look that a guy has when he's guilty.

02:41:18.000 Agreed.

02:41:19.000 The only real smart...

02:41:24.000 Explanation for that for against it was when I listened around to talk about it and She goes they know when they're off it that they can't be like yeah She knows she's done.

02:41:33.000 I know I'm a hundred percent me.

02:41:35.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99

02:41:36.000 Sorry bitch if you come in like that, right? 1.00

02:41:38.000 You know, you've already lost She's like about and I was like that is huge because the psychological effect we saw it when guys came from pride and they came over They would break and you're seeing guys that are top-level savages break and then you're like that is a different athlete Well, it's a different human being because you're not enhanced anymore. 0.98

02:41:55.000 And it takes your belief, though.

02:41:56.000 It takes your belief.

02:41:57.000 Of course, because you know what you were capable of, these superhuman performances when you're on it.

02:42:03.000 Their chin would be better, everything would be better.

02:42:06.000 Yeah, you had to hang the cape up.

02:42:07.000 Yeah.

02:42:07.000 Hang the cape up.

02:42:08.000 Hang up the cape. 1.00

02:42:09.000 Hang up, take away the fucking, the super ring. 1.00

02:42:11.000 Totally. 1.00

02:42:12.000 Yeah, I mean, once you've tasted that, yeah, I get it.

02:42:15.000 And I don't know what those guys were taking the...

02:42:17.000 Everything.

02:42:18.000 Well, the Shootbox guys, though. 0.89

02:42:20.000 Remember when there was a thing, and it was all the Shootbox guys, and they would get touched, and they would go out? 1.00

02:42:25.000 And they'd be out.

02:42:26.000 And then they'd get touched again and they'd come back on.

02:42:28.000 And it was like, there's something.

02:42:30.000 As soon as he hit the ground, he popped.

02:42:32.000 And it was like almost an impossibility to knock him out. 0.99

02:42:35.000 God knows what they were fucking doing. 0.99

02:42:37.000 It was so impressive when Vanderlei got crow-copped. 0.99

02:42:40.000 Yeah.

02:42:41.000 Because even all that...

02:42:42.000 Yeah, sorry.

02:42:43.000 I mean, that was the heaviest Vandele had ever been.

02:42:45.000 He was like 218. Krokop was only 214. Krokop was actually lighter than Vandele, even though Krokop had fought heavyweight his entire career, and Vandele, really, his optimal weight was 185. And he was fighting as a heavyweight.

02:42:56.000 He was a 183-pound champion.

02:42:58.000 Right?

02:42:58.000 Or the 203 pound champion.

02:43:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:43:01.000 That's what it was, right? 0.99

02:43:02.000 And, you know, gets to the UFC, drops down to 185 because he's not on the shit anymore. 0.98

02:43:07.000 But when he's fighting, or allegedly, but when he's fighting Krokop, even after all that, but we don't even know what the fuck Krokop was doing. 0.98

02:43:13.000 Right.

02:43:14.000 That was one of the biggest, strongest guys I ever wrestled with.

02:43:16.000 Like, that guy is...

02:43:19.000 He's strong.

02:43:20.000 He's like one of those different level strengths.

02:43:21.000 Schaub said, too, when he fought him, he said he couldn't believe how strong he was.

02:43:24.000 Dude, he's powerful.

02:43:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:43:26.000 Well, I mean, his fucking KO power's legendary. 0.99

02:43:29.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:43:29.000 But again, those guys, they just had an open agreement. 0.99

02:43:33.000 Just do whatever the fuck you want. 0.98

02:43:35.000 Not even an open agreement. 0.99

02:43:36.000 You better do it.

02:43:37.000 Yeah, it was in the contract.

02:43:38.000 Yeah, our buddy.

02:43:39.000 Stop it.

02:43:39.000 It was in the contract.

02:43:40.000 In the contract, he said, we will not test for steroids.

02:43:42.000 But our buddy went over there, and he was a natural 170-pounder, and they wanted him to fight at 185. He's like, I don't even weigh 185 pounds.

02:43:49.000 Yeah, totally.

02:43:50.000 Don't worry.

02:43:50.000 We can do a steroid.

02:43:51.000 And then he's like, I don't want to.

02:43:52.000 And they're like, no, this you do.

02:43:53.000 We have the doctor.

02:43:54.000 Like, it's like, you're not going to...

02:43:57.000 You're not going to not do it. 1.00

02:43:59.000 It's all mob shit. 0.99

02:44:01.000 The guys at the pinnacle of their game, if they're not doing that stuff, honestly, I'm surprised. 0.99

02:44:05.000 I have zero problem with that whatsoever.

02:44:08.000 The problem is it wrecks your endocrine system, and after you get off of it, you're done. 0.98

02:44:13.000 These guys are on these hyperhuman levels in their 20s, and then they get off of it, and their balls don't work anymore. 0.95

02:44:20.000 Dude, I see that in the teams, too.

02:44:21.000 Guys, they research the ingestion portion, and they're like, okay, cool, I'm done.

02:44:27.000 No post-cycle anything, and then they're just...

02:44:30.000 So what is the protocol when you're involved in that?

02:44:35.000 From the top down, do they tell you about it?

02:44:38.000 Steroid use in the military is against the UCMJ. So if guys are going down that route, they're doing it on their own underneath the radar.

02:44:46.000 However, the drug testing in the military does not test for steroids.

02:44:49.000 It's a very specific test.

02:44:52.000 You'd have to be picked out and pinged for that reason.

02:44:55.000 So they're not...

02:44:55.000 You know what I mean?

02:44:56.000 It's kind of like this...

02:44:57.000 A known thing?

02:44:59.000 I don't see how it couldn't be known.

02:45:01.000 If I know about it, how could it not be known?

02:45:04.000 It was the blind eye system.

02:45:05.000 Right.

02:45:06.000 Like, you know, yeah, we want you to be a lion.

02:45:08.000 Enhanced.

02:45:09.000 Yeah.

02:45:09.000 Right.

02:45:10.000 But then the guys, you know, they don't have the education or they don't take the time to figure out the post-cycle therapy stuff and they just go, especially the dudes who are just juicing right before deployment and then go go turkey right when they get on it.

02:45:20.000 Oh, daddy.

02:45:21.000 Oh, yeah.

02:45:21.000 It's horrible for you.

02:45:23.000 Your morale, your energy levels, depression.

02:45:26.000 I want those guys on it the whole time they're over.

02:45:28.000 Well, Tim Kennedy was saying that.

02:45:29.000 He's like, if it makes you a better soldier, I am all for it.

02:45:32.000 And it will.

02:45:33.000 It'll make you stronger, faster, recover better. 1.00

02:45:35.000 I've talked to team guys that are out now that are like, it's shit. 1.00

02:45:39.000 If guys get popped for that when they're in buds, and they're like, fuck those guys. 0.99

02:45:43.000 But they're like, when you go over there, I want everybody that's next to me to be as big and strong and as alert as possible. 0.99

02:45:48.000 So when they go through BUDS, they test them for it?

02:45:50.000 No.

02:45:51.000 Again, it's the same.

02:45:53.000 Steroids, I don't think, would help in BUDS. I think HGH might on the recovery side of the house.

02:45:57.000 What about like EPO? That would probably help, no?

02:45:59.000 That's the blood doping, right?

02:46:01.000 Oxygenates you, makes you have more endurance.

02:46:03.000 It probably would.

02:46:04.000 I think it's such a psychological damaging thing that BUDS is, from what it sounds like, that I don't think that that stuff would help you.

02:46:10.000 It's not as bad as you think.

02:46:11.000 You guys were talking about, on the same episode, they don't drown you in BUDS. I think you were saying that they drown you.

02:46:16.000 No, we get you as close to drowning as possible, but it's not a requirement.

02:46:20.000 And resuscitate.

02:46:21.000 The last guy that died at buds aspirated on his own vomit underwater and was not recoverable.

02:46:26.000 But a lot of the training...

02:46:28.000 How long was that ago?

02:46:30.000 Probably five years.

02:46:31.000 Oh, okay.

02:46:31.000 A guy dies there probably about once every five to seven years, which is important.

02:46:35.000 It needs to happen, right?

02:46:36.000 Because that means the training is arduous enough that it's going to do what it's supposed to do.

02:46:40.000 Guys are going to die.

02:46:41.000 It's a terrible thing to have happen.

02:46:43.000 So a lot of the training we do in the water is to make them uncomfortable.

02:46:45.000 Like my favorite, one of the evolutions in first phase is you get these huge classes of like 150 guys.

02:46:50.000 And everybody's like, teamwork, we're in this together.

02:46:53.000 And you make them jump in the pool.

02:46:55.000 Fully cloaked.

02:46:56.000 And then the instructors get on the outside and you start pushing them closer and closer together.

02:47:00.000 Right?

02:47:00.000 So now...

02:47:01.000 On the outside of the edges, you're in the pool with them.

02:47:04.000 So we're making a big circle of students smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller.

02:47:07.000 How deep is the water?

02:47:08.000 20 feet.

02:47:09.000 Mm-hmm.

02:47:10.000 They're drowning each other. 1.00

02:47:12.000 It doesn't start that way, but the teamwork talk goes out the fucking window. 1.00

02:47:17.000 Oh, yeah. 0.96

02:47:18.000 Because then it's like, dude's like, foot on top ahead, and that's actually the evolution that the guy aspirated in, which is why they increased the instructor ratio.

02:47:26.000 They didn't notice it right away.

02:47:28.000 But that's one of the highest attrition evolutions at Bud's, is that one right there, where they push everybody together, and then once they get them together, it's like, okay, take off your right boot.

02:47:36.000 So then everybody's got to undo their boot and throw it out of the pool.

02:47:39.000 Take off your left boot.

02:47:40.000 So you're like, you have a task to do while staying alive without trying to kill somebody else.

02:47:44.000 And just that type of stuff in the water, the attrition rate is just through the roof.

02:47:49.000 I would imagine.

02:47:50.000 And how long are you in there for?

02:47:51.000 Long as it takes.

02:47:52.000 How long does it take to do what?

02:47:54.000 To get, you know, you take all your top off, you take your pants off, you take your boots off, all that stuff.

02:47:58.000 It can take...

02:47:59.000 Naked pool party.

02:48:01.000 Well, we are wearing the UDT shorts, which are just completely unacceptable.

02:48:06.000 A lot of steel guys I know say they don't wear underwear.

02:48:08.000 That Bryan Singer guy, that guy who directed X-Men, he had parties like that.

02:48:12.000 Really?

02:48:13.000 Yeah.

02:48:13.000 X-Men, Avengers, which one was it?

02:48:15.000 I don't know if these were the type of party. 0.99

02:48:17.000 Now what happens if guys go, fuck this, let's push an instructor out of here? 0.99

02:48:23.000 That would be interesting. 0.99

02:48:24.000 What would happen?

02:48:25.000 If dudes are like, we're going to end up killing each other, let's break the circle open. 0.96

02:48:31.000 You know, I only had a student grab me one time, because one of the tests we did...

02:48:35.000 I just think it would be such a horrible idea, but I'd love to see what happens.

02:48:37.000 It is a horrible idea.

02:48:38.000 Allow me to tell you what happened to this particular student.

02:48:40.000 So one of the tests we do, you have twin 80s scuba tanks, and you have to tread water with at least your wrist above the water for five minutes.

02:48:48.000 And it's really not that hard if you can just relax and just take a deep breath and put your head down.

02:48:52.000 There's a lot of buoyancy that you can work with.

02:48:54.000 So you tread water, but your hands have to stay above water?

02:48:56.000 Your hands have to stay, so you're just using your legs, and you have a full scuba tank system on your back, which, if you don't rig it properly, it'll pull you back a little bit.

02:49:02.000 A lot of it is just kind of getting your lungs over your center of gravity. 0.97

02:49:05.000 Treading waters without your hands is fucking hard. 0.79

02:49:08.000 It's hard with hands, too. 0.99

02:49:09.000 Yeah.

02:49:10.000 The training is supposed to be hard.

02:49:12.000 Really?

02:49:13.000 From what I've been told.

02:49:14.000 I went through the correspondence course, so I don't know.

02:49:16.000 But...

02:49:21.000 How do we think the same?

02:49:23.000 It always starts the same way.

02:49:24.000 They'll take a breath, and then they're keeping their hands above water, and their head just keeps getting farther and farther and farther, and they have to just kick, kick, kick, kick, kick.

02:49:32.000 And then you know it's about to get really bad when they do the monkey paw.

02:49:35.000 When their hands start doing this number, they start like, that's when the guy's about to either quit or go under.

02:49:41.000 And I had a foreign exchange student.

02:49:43.000 I think he was from Korea.

02:49:44.000 And they have a weight belt on, too.

02:49:46.000 There's a 20-pound weight belt on as well.

02:49:47.000 Of course.

02:49:48.000 Why wouldn't there be?

02:49:49.000 So a lot of the times what the students will do is they'll drop their weight belt when they think they're going to go under.

02:49:52.000 So I, as a helpful instructor, will get it for them and put it around the back of their tank so they can no longer take it off.

02:49:59.000 So they can finish the evolution. 0.99

02:50:00.000 Because just because you quit, you're still going to finish the fucking five minutes. 0.99

02:50:03.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

02:50:04.000 It has a purpose.

02:50:06.000 And if you don't quit and you just fail, we'll allow you to retry it at another date.

02:50:11.000 But you're going to finish the five minutes with your best attempt.

02:50:13.000 So I'll put the weight belt on the top of the tanks.

02:50:15.000 So this Korean kid dropped his weight belt.

02:50:17.000 I'm like, yeah, okay, no problem.

02:50:18.000 Went down and got it.

02:50:20.000 Put it back on.

02:50:22.000 He started going back under again, got to the point where he pulled his own life jacket and it inflates and brings him back up.

02:50:29.000 So I helped him out.

02:50:30.000 I pulled the release valve to let all the oxygen, or not the oxygen, but the CO2 out of it.

02:50:34.000 So he starts going back down again and just comes up and gets one big hand out of the water and bear hugs me.

02:50:43.000 Trying to take me underwater with him.

02:50:45.000 It's the only time I've ever seen an instructor actually get grabbed.

02:50:48.000 So I just...

02:50:49.000 It was you.

02:50:50.000 It was me.

02:50:50.000 Yeah.

02:50:51.000 So I just relaxed, held my breath, and we went to the bottom until he passed out.

02:50:56.000 Whoa! 0.99

02:50:58.000 So you said, all right, bitch, let's do this. 1.00

02:50:59.000 I'm fine. 1.00

02:51:00.000 I'm like, all right.

02:51:01.000 How long can you hold your breath?

02:51:02.000 I don't know.

02:51:03.000 I mean, nothing impressive.

02:51:04.000 Probably a couple minutes.

02:51:05.000 Longer than that guy could in a panic state.

02:51:07.000 Right.

02:51:08.000 That's all that mattered.

02:51:08.000 You know what I mean?

02:51:09.000 When you're in a panic state, you got about 30 seconds in you, right?

02:51:13.000 I mean, how much time do you have?

02:51:14.000 I probably wasn't going to be able to do a max breath hold because I was laughing pretty hard at him. 1.00

02:51:20.000 That's so fucked up. 1.00

02:51:21.000 That's that whole shit about I get comfortable while other dudes are uncomfortable. 1.00

02:51:24.000 So fucked up. 1.00

02:51:24.000 I live underwater, bitch. 1.00

02:51:26.000 So we went down, though, and he's just looking at me like... 0.99

02:51:29.000 He just goes out and then you pull him up and a doctor with seven years of medical school and residency under his belt goes...

02:51:38.000 Wake up!

02:51:38.000 And then they wake up and, hey, you failed.

02:51:40.000 So he blacked out under the water.

02:51:42.000 That happens all the time.

02:51:43.000 We bring people up who had just...

02:51:44.000 So it's not necessarily drowning.

02:51:46.000 No.

02:51:46.000 It's just blacking out underwater.

02:51:47.000 But there's no evolution in SEAL training that requires you to black out.

02:51:51.000 Like, one of the tests is a 50-meter underwater swim where you jump in, you have to do a front somersault, swim to the other side of the pool, touch it, front somersault, and swim back.

02:51:59.000 That's another one that gets a lot of guys on...

02:52:02.000 They'll pass out because they just don't want to give up.

02:52:04.000 And again, all of this stuff is about teaching you where the boundaries, where you think they are, and what other people tell you you can do, and when you alarm systems in your body.

02:52:12.000 It's a choice to listen to those things a lot of the times.

02:52:15.000 A lot of Navy SEALs or various spec ops guys go into, like, ultra-marathons and shit afterwards just to try to push themselves to the...

02:52:24.000 Once you...

02:52:25.000 I mean, honestly, like, Joe...

02:52:26.000 You're addicted to it?

02:52:27.000 Yeah, but I mean, you know, I would imagine that you probably...

02:52:30.000 I mean...

02:52:32.000 Do you miss fighting and do things that challenge you physically and mentally to continue pushing yourself and growing?

02:52:37.000 I mean, once you get a taste for it, I would imagine you still do those things too, don't you?

02:52:41.000 Well, there's a certain amount of you're always going to want to push yourself. 1.00

02:52:44.000 Because if you feel like if you're not doing it, if you're not testing your boundaries, you kind of feel like a pussy. 0.99

02:52:50.000 I feel like it's mastery, too. 0.99

02:52:51.000 It's like, you get mastery over this thing, and then what happens with people that are uncommon and interesting, they go on to the next thing, because they want mastery over this thing, and then they want mastery over that thing.

02:53:01.000 Because it irritates them that they don't master. 0.89

02:53:03.000 They're like, oh man, I suck at this. 0.96

02:53:04.000 Which is difficult. 1.00

02:53:05.000 Shit is good. 1.00

02:53:05.000 It's good for you. 1.00

02:53:06.000 It's fun, man.

02:53:07.000 And that's the one thing that's been the prime difference in my life is like going to something and do something that kind of makes you nervous every day. 0.97

02:53:13.000 Go into fear-based shit and then live there and figure that out. 0.97

02:53:18.000 It's exciting. 1.00

02:53:18.000 It's the only way to live, man. 1.00

02:53:20.000 And rewarding.

02:53:20.000 In addition to being exciting.

02:53:22.000 It's rewarding.

02:53:22.000 The reward is huge.

02:53:24.000 The exciting thing for me is like that's the initial moment, but then the impact it has on your life.

02:53:28.000 I mean, there's two different full spectrums.

02:53:30.000 There's like in that moment and then how it changes you as a human being.

02:53:33.000 Right.

02:53:33.000 I gotta bring you guys down to check out SEAL training.

02:53:36.000 Let's make a fucking video. 1.00

02:53:37.000 Let's make a video. 1.00

02:53:38.000 They may frown against that.

02:53:40.000 Oh, okay.

02:53:41.000 We can make a video when I jump, though, with you.

02:53:43.000 Yes, because Joe will be in the plane as well.

02:53:46.000 I'll be strapped to the wing.

02:53:49.000 With a video camera.

02:53:51.000 Look how small they're getting.

02:53:53.000 If you don't let me take you jumping, we've got to go hunting.

02:53:56.000 Okay.

02:53:56.000 What do you want to hunt?

02:53:57.000 Duck.

02:53:58.000 Oh, birds.

02:53:59.000 I don't even like to hunt.

02:54:00.000 I'll be out in the woods hunting you guys, hunting duck.

02:54:03.000 Ooh, that makes it more exciting.

02:54:04.000 That's annoying.

02:54:05.000 I need to bring up...

02:54:06.000 That's going to get in the way of concentrating.

02:54:09.000 What are you going to hunt? 1.00

02:54:10.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:54:11.000 This is what we were talking about earlier. 0.99

02:54:12.000 We'll end it with this because we're basically out of time.

02:54:14.000 We just did three hours, believe it or not.

02:54:16.000 Did we really?

02:54:17.000 Flies by every time.

02:54:19.000 So explain this, will you, Andy?

02:54:21.000 That's just the Javelin missile, but you cost $150,000 US dollar.

02:54:26.000 This is what we were talking about earlier.

02:54:28.000 For people listening, Andy essentially has a...

02:54:32.000 This is a top attack?

02:54:33.000 It's like a sewer pipe attached to his shoulder.

02:54:38.000 With a computer.

02:54:39.000 Yeah, with a computer attached to it, and it's about to launch.

02:54:43.000 And these guys that you're launching against, tell us the background on that?

02:54:45.000 It's just a truck.

02:54:46.000 A truck full of guys.

02:54:48.000 And they're shooting at you.

02:54:49.000 No, that's done.

02:54:50.000 Okay, they were shooting at you.

02:54:52.000 And now they're dancing outside.

02:54:53.000 Okay, there's the round.

02:54:55.000 Fires off.

02:54:56.000 It climbs.

02:54:57.000 It's hard to see.

02:54:58.000 But then you'll see where it lands.

02:55:00.000 Oh my god.

02:55:03.000 So that is far.

02:55:04.000 How far away is that?

02:55:05.000 That's about two kilometers.

02:55:06.000 So it's quite a bit slower than a bullet.

02:55:08.000 Oh, very much so.

02:55:09.000 Yeah, because it's so much weight to it and the round.

02:55:12.000 Look at you laughing! 1.00

02:55:15.000 That's so fucked up. 1.00

02:55:16.000 People just die. 1.00

02:55:17.000 Ha ha.

02:55:18.000 Yeah, but you know what?

02:55:19.000 Those people weren't me.

02:55:20.000 So let's celebrate.

02:55:21.000 And they were bad guys, right?

02:55:22.000 Let's celebrate.

02:55:22.000 Boom.

02:55:23.000 That's crazy that that exists.

02:55:26.000 Reach out and touch somebody.

02:55:26.000 And what is that going to be like in five years from now?

02:55:29.000 It's going to be something even more insane.

02:55:30.000 They already have like, you know, like suicide drones now and all sorts of stuff.

02:55:33.000 Oh, I'm sure.

02:55:35.000 Yeah.

02:55:35.000 I mean, just drone warfare alone, you know, I mean, what they're going to be able to do with these Boston, what are they called?

02:55:44.000 Boston Dynamics, those crazy robots that they have. 0.95

02:55:47.000 I mean, they've got those robots that you can kick and they fucking go over sideways. 0.54

02:55:50.000 So it's not just going to be drones that fly. 0.98

02:55:52.000 It's going to be drones that, like, you're going to see an army of fucking Terminator robots running into camps. 0.98

02:55:57.000 And they can go up hills, man. 0.98

02:55:59.000 Hey, you know what, though?

02:55:59.000 Good on them.

02:56:00.000 I'd rather have that. 1.00

02:56:01.000 Fuck yeah! 1.00

02:56:01.000 Totally. 1.00

02:56:02.000 The Air Force Academy, for the first time a few years ago, graduated more non-manned aircraft pilots than manned aircraft pilots in their history.

02:56:09.000 And did they graduate them through Xbox Live?

02:56:11.000 I hope that was a prerequisite.

02:56:12.000 That's where they recruit them. 1.00

02:56:13.000 Those motherfuckers. 1.00

02:56:14.000 Probably was a prerequisite. 1.00

02:56:15.000 Yeah.

02:56:15.000 I'm sure.

02:56:16.000 Well, listen, Andy.

02:56:17.000 Thank you very much, man.

02:56:18.000 We've got to do this again.

02:56:19.000 Thanks for having me, man.

02:56:20.000 Anytime.

02:56:21.000 Dude, let's do it again without a doubt.

02:56:22.000 Tate Fletcher.

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02:56:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:56:36.000 iTunes and Stitcher and all that.

02:56:38.000 Right now up is like Cowboy Cerrone and then Kyle Noak I just put up today.

02:56:43.000 And apparently the UFC is mad about the one with Donald.

02:56:46.000 I don't know why.

02:56:46.000 I don't understand it.

02:56:48.000 I don't know.

02:56:48.000 Because of the failed drug test allegations?

02:56:50.000 Well, he knows he did.

02:56:52.000 Anyway, whatever.

02:56:54.000 He didn't fail.

02:56:54.000 He just wasn't there.

02:56:55.000 But he told them where he was.

02:56:57.000 He was in Vegas.

02:56:58.000 It's a long story.

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The Joe Rogan Experience - November 10, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #720 - Tait Fletcher & Andy Stumpf

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