The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #721 - Eddie Bravo

00:00:13.000 Changed the flow of the conversation made it way better Yeah, that was bullshit because it was like, you know when I really realized it was bullshit like I did a podcast with Stan hope and he was making fun of the commercials While I was doing it, I was like, why am I doing commercials in front of them? 0.97

00:00:27.000 Why don't I just do that later and stitch it in? 0.90

00:00:29.000 And I was lucky where the deal that I had for commercials was really just for iTunes.

00:00:34.000 And so when I do this, it goes on YouTube first.

00:00:38.000 So as it streams on YouTube and you stream, no need for commercials. 1.00

00:00:42.000 Fuck it. 0.98

00:00:44.000 And then I put the ads in later, but on iTunes or on YouTube, there's no commercials. 0.99

00:00:50.000 You know what it changes to? 0.99

00:00:52.000 This podcast, most of the time anyways, is about just you and your friends just talking about bullshit. 0.99

00:01:01.000 You're not getting right to... 0.96

00:01:03.000 Use the promo code JRE. It's not like Ari just wrote a book and he's on here to promote it.

00:01:10.000 Sometimes that happens.

00:01:11.000 Sometimes.

00:01:12.000 Like Paul Stanley and stuff.

00:01:13.000 I get a lot of those, but it's still even with them.

00:01:16.000 It's like you want to sit them down and go, so what's it like to write the book?

00:01:20.000 How hard was it?

00:01:22.000 How long does it take?

00:01:23.000 What's the process?

00:01:24.000 The conversation before the podcast starts.

00:01:26.000 There's some serious conversations going on.

00:01:29.000 And then instead of just starting the podcast on a dime...

00:01:34.000 And then continuing the conversation, you hit the commercials and you never get back to that conversation.

00:01:40.000 A lot of the times.

00:01:40.000 That's what I noticed.

00:01:41.000 That's happened. 0.97

00:01:42.000 Well, you know, a lot of times we haven't seen each other in like a week or two and we've got a bunch of crazy shit to say to each other and you just start...

00:01:47.000 And then by the time the podcast starts, so, what's up, man? 0.80

00:01:52.000 You know, you learn a lot about yourself.

00:01:55.000 Do you listen to your own podcast?

00:01:57.000 I listen to the good ones.

00:01:59.000 I don't at all.

00:01:59.000 I can't stand listening to myself.

00:02:02.000 I've no desire to listen to myself.

00:02:05.000 The only time is when I'm going through Mastering the System, my tutorial, I do sit there and I am interested in how I'm teaching and what I said and how I could have made the point clearer in my teaching. 0.96

00:02:19.000 That's the only time, but when it's a podcast and I'm not talking about jiu-jitsu and I'm just talking about like just bullshit. 0.79

00:02:25.000 I don't want to hear myself.

00:02:26.000 It's good to hear though, but for the same reason like you realize why you're annoying to you like I've found things that I didn't know I did like little little ticks little weird things like people do like a big one is saying like People, like, there's,

00:02:42.000 like, Tom Segura, I love him to death. 0.99

00:02:43.000 That motherfucker out-likes me. 1.00

00:02:45.000 He hurts me sometimes with the likes. 1.00

00:02:47.000 Like, there's, like, a guy we like.

00:02:49.000 If you got, like, a guy like, and there's, like, a way like.

00:02:53.000 Did he say that?

00:02:54.000 Everybody does.

00:02:55.000 We all do it.

00:02:55.000 We don't even know.

00:02:56.000 And when guys are telling this story, it's hilarious. 0.99

00:03:00.000 And he's like, she came up to me and started mad-dogging me, and I was like, what the fuck you looking at? 1.00

00:03:05.000 I paid for all that shit. 1.00

00:03:07.000 And you didn't say none of that. 1.00

00:03:08.000 You just said, I was like that. 0.99

00:03:10.000 I had that look on my face, but I didn't say shit. 0.98

00:03:13.000 And if you don't question, did you actually say that? 0.99

00:03:16.000 You're like, no, I was thinking it. 0.99

00:03:19.000 I'm like, if I wouldn't have asked you, you would have made it seem like you were this bad motherfucker in this story. 1.00

00:03:24.000 Saying the right shit. 1.00

00:03:25.000 But you didn't act in reality, you didn't say shit! 1.00

00:03:28.000 And I was like, fuck you, who paid for that shit? 1.00

00:03:31.000 And you said that? 1.00

00:03:32.000 No.

00:03:34.000 I thought it.

00:03:36.000 Like...

00:03:37.000 I thought it. 1.00

00:03:39.000 Fuck you, man! 1.00

00:03:40.000 Fuck you! 1.00

00:03:41.000 And where you came from, bitch! 1.00

00:03:43.000 Did you actually say that to him? 1.00

00:03:44.000 No!

00:03:49.000 Oh, man. 1.00

00:03:52.000 I hate that shit. 1.00

00:03:53.000 Another one that I do that I need to figure out how to stop doing is I say, you know... 1.00

00:03:58.000 I don't know.

00:04:00.000 You're trying to form your point.

00:04:02.000 You're trying to formulate it in your mind.

00:04:04.000 And now you sympathize more with black people when they're always saying, you know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:04:08.000 You're like, we're basically doing the same thing.

00:04:10.000 We're just not saying sand.

00:04:11.000 So why are we making fun?

00:04:13.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:14.000 Everybody says, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know.

00:04:17.000 They just say, know what I'm saying. 0.97

00:04:20.000 But, if they stretched it out further, it would get even more ridiculous. 0.90

00:04:22.000 You know what I'm saying, Word God? 0.95

00:04:24.000 You know what I'm saying, Word God?

00:04:25.000 If like, you know what I'm saying, Word God?

00:04:27.000 It's like in the middle of every sentence.

00:04:28.000 Dude, I think you started something.

00:04:30.000 I think I might have started something.

00:04:31.000 You know what I'm saying, Word God?

00:04:32.000 Hashtag, what did you say?

00:04:34.000 Hashtag, you know what I'm saying, Word God? 1.00

00:04:37.000 Yeah, shit. 1.00

00:04:38.000 Well, black guys were calling each other God for a while on the East Coast. 1.00

00:04:41.000 It was a weird thing that was going on.

00:04:43.000 Like, I went to see Terry Norris fight at a bar with a friend of mine who's a comic and his buddy.

00:04:51.000 We worked together, me and this comic, and he brought his buddy with him.

00:04:55.000 And we all went, Terry Norris is fighting tonight.

00:04:57.000 Let's go.

00:04:58.000 We're going to see Terry Norris fight live on whatever it was, HBO. And they were talking to each other.

00:05:03.000 And they were talking to each other.

00:05:04.000 Man, he hit him with that left hook, God.

00:05:06.000 You see that jab, God?

00:05:07.000 You see that head movement, God?

00:05:09.000 And I was like, whoa, what are they doing?

00:05:10.000 Like, is this a...

00:05:11.000 You know, I'm white, obviously.

00:05:13.000 So I'm like, what the...

00:05:14.000 Have I missed a meeting?

00:05:15.000 Like, this seems to be a new thing.

00:05:17.000 And then I remember shaking my head going, this will not last.

00:05:19.000 You guys, you're going to feel silly for calling each other God in a couple of years.

00:05:23.000 You can't just do...

00:05:24.000 Or maybe, you know what? 0.99

00:05:27.000 A lot of people are trying to come up with their own shit and try to make it stick. 0.99

00:05:31.000 Some ends up panning out, some doesn't. 0.99

00:05:33.000 But people, they're trying.

00:05:35.000 That was a big one, though.

00:05:36.000 That was everywhere. 1.00

00:05:37.000 It wasn't like these guys, it was their shit. 1.00

00:05:39.000 It was like black guys were doing that all throughout the East Coast in the 90s. 1.00

00:05:43.000 It's very prestigious to have a saying you made up blow up.

00:05:49.000 Oh, yeah.

00:05:49.000 There's one, you know, people always say, holler at me, holler at me.

00:05:53.000 Yeah.

00:05:54.000 This guy, Rico Santana, he started scream at me.

00:05:59.000 He was pushing that.

00:06:00.000 Scream at me.

00:06:01.000 Scream at me.

00:06:02.000 And I'm not sure if it stuck.

00:06:05.000 Never heard it.

00:06:06.000 When did he do this?

00:06:06.000 How long ago?

00:06:08.000 Five years ago. 1.00

00:06:09.000 Dudes will try their own shit. 1.00

00:06:10.000 Hashtag scream at me. 1.00

00:06:12.000 Yeah, you want someone to holla at you, but holla is, what's up?

00:06:16.000 You know, scream at you implies like they're angry at you.

00:06:19.000 You're setting yourself up for danger.

00:06:21.000 I like it.

00:06:21.000 Scream at me.

00:06:22.000 Scream at me, bitch. 1.00

00:06:23.000 Scream at me. 1.00

00:06:24.000 But you say it like in a sexy little voice.

00:06:26.000 Oh, okay.

00:06:27.000 Right?

00:06:27.000 Like you tell a chick.

00:06:28.000 That chick's going to stop calling you. 1.00

00:06:30.000 She's going to run away. 1.00

00:06:31.000 She's not going to respond to your text.

00:06:32.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:06:33.000 She's going to be like, this fucking dude's crazy. 1.00

00:06:34.000 Can you imagine that? 1.00

00:06:35.000 Instead of calling me later, scream at me.

00:06:38.000 I bet if you said it like that, well, you're a funny guy.

00:06:40.000 So if you said it like that, it would probably work because she would start laughing.

00:06:45.000 Yo, scream at me. 1.00

00:06:46.000 Be like, uh-uh, Wayne. 1.00

00:06:49.000 Silly bitch, I'll scream at you later. 1.00

00:06:52.000 Exactly! 1.00

00:06:53.000 There you go!

00:06:55.000 That's it.

00:06:56.000 Oh, it's gonna work for women. 1.00

00:06:59.000 Those ticks, little things like that.

00:07:02.000 You know what I'm saying, you know?

00:07:03.000 It's like, where are those coming from?

00:07:06.000 And they're basically complicated versions of ugh. 1.00

00:07:09.000 Even fucking. 1.00

00:07:10.000 A lot of times people use fucking, fucking guys, fucking, same thing. 1.00

00:07:14.000 It's all their elongated versions. 1.00

00:07:16.000 But fucking's the worst, right? 0.99

00:07:18.000 I do that a lot, too. 0.99

00:07:19.000 I used to.

00:07:20.000 When you're younger, you do that more.

00:07:21.000 And you're nervous.

00:07:22.000 Nervous. 0.99

00:07:23.000 There's a lot of fuckings. 1.00

00:07:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:07:24.000 You're nervous. 0.99

00:07:25.000 Like, fuck, man. 1.00

00:07:26.000 And then I was like, fucking. 1.00

00:07:27.000 And he was like, fucking. 1.00

00:07:28.000 And I don't give a fuck. 1.00

00:07:29.000 And I was like, fucking fuck that dude. 1.00

00:07:31.000 When I was doing stand-up in Boston, they had a thing they used to call the fuck meter. 1.00

00:07:35.000 They were saying, like, if you were going to go do stand-up, they would say, Eddie, don't break the fuck meter. 0.98

00:07:40.000 Like, when you use them, they should mean something. 0.99

00:07:43.000 And they were so right.

00:07:45.000 It taught me so much. 0.99

00:07:46.000 Because when I see a guy who says fuck too much, I know that guy's nervous. 0.99

00:07:50.000 You know, if he starts... 1.00

00:07:51.000 Fucking... 1.00

00:07:52.000 I'm walking down the fucking street and this fucking... 1.00

00:07:54.000 It's like you're off. 1.00

00:07:56.000 There's something off.

00:07:57.000 You're using one word too many times.

00:08:00.000 No matter what word it is. 0.99

00:08:01.000 And if it happens to be fucking... 0.99

00:08:03.000 Like you're trying to sound like you're together. 0.99

00:08:06.000 You're trying to sound like you're upset but you're not really.

00:08:08.000 Or if you are upset, you need to collect your thoughts.

00:08:12.000 You hear that when you listen to a podcast.

00:08:16.000 Most of the time you're just talking.

00:08:18.000 You don't remember how you said it.

00:08:20.000 You just don't.

00:08:21.000 Very rarely, unless something really crazy happens.

00:08:26.000 How often do you really remember how you said things?

00:08:29.000 What's so funny?

00:08:31.000 No, I'm just thinking, man...

00:08:37.000 I better not say it.

00:08:38.000 It's something that I probably should not talk about, but it's funny to me, but it's not podcast material.

00:08:44.000 Oh, okay.

00:08:44.000 I'm sorry.

00:08:45.000 The one thing that I... Damn it, Eddie Bravo. 0.99

00:08:47.000 Write that down, Jamie. 0.99

00:08:49.000 The beginning...

00:08:50.000 There's not a chance in hell you're going to remember what we talked about either.

00:08:52.000 That's the worst.

00:08:53.000 Maybe I will write it in my notes.

00:08:58.000 Oh man, notes are huge. 0.99

00:08:59.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:09:00.000 Do you use notes when you do your... 1.00

00:09:02.000 I use notes for every motherfucking thing. 0.98

00:09:04.000 Do you do them for seminars? 0.98

00:09:05.000 For everything.

00:09:06.000 Really?

00:09:06.000 On my notes.

00:09:07.000 On your phone, you mean?

00:09:08.000 Everything.

00:09:09.000 Do you transcribe it? 1.00

00:09:10.000 All my shit. 1.00

00:09:11.000 Do you do the voice transcription thing? 1.00

00:09:13.000 No.

00:09:14.000 Oh, it's so good, dude.

00:09:15.000 So good.

00:09:16.000 So accurate.

00:09:17.000 I use it all the time.

00:09:18.000 If I'm in my car and I got an idea, I used to get panicky. 0.98

00:09:21.000 I'd be like, fuck, I gotta pull over. 0.89

00:09:23.000 And I'd start coming up with reasons to say the idea over and over and over again so that I didn't forget it. 0.98

00:09:28.000 Now I just grab that phone, hit that button, and go, blah, [...

00:09:34.000 Put it down.

00:09:35.000 I'm gone.

00:09:35.000 Yeah.

00:09:36.000 I use it for jiu-jitsu a lot, for teaching. 0.98

00:09:38.000 There's so much shit to master in jiu-jitsu. 0.98

00:09:43.000 It's so vast. 0.99

00:09:45.000 It seems like it's getting crazier, too, with the advent.

00:09:47.000 Like, the more attention that people are putting on leg locks these days, it seems like I'm watching jiu-jitsu, and I'm like, man, I'm not...

00:09:54.000 You know, I see transitions on the ground that I understand, but when I see some leg lock transitions, I'm like, I have no idea where these guys are going.

00:10:01.000 Yeah.

00:10:01.000 I just see scrambles.

00:10:03.000 I'd have to watch that again and again and again, see how he set that up.

00:10:06.000 Yeah, you just got to get it broken down to you in a system.

00:10:11.000 It's just like the rubber guard.

00:10:13.000 You have 5th degree, 6th degree, 8th degree black belts out there in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, and they've never really looked into the rubber guard at all, and they think, oh...

00:10:24.000 They just throwing their legs up and they're grabbing their leg and then there's an arm bar or a triangle and a guy slip out and then they're just grabbing their ankles.

00:10:31.000 They don't realize how precise and microscopic it is.

00:10:35.000 And that's what I used to think of leg locks.

00:10:38.000 I thought leg locks where you just jump on legs.

00:10:40.000 I'm a black belt and I'm still thinking this until about a year ago.

00:10:43.000 I thought dudes just jumping on, you get that outside one or you get that inside one. 1.00

00:10:47.000 I was pretty good at a heel hook coming off being mounted.

00:10:51.000 But I didn't spend a lot of time with heel hooks.

00:10:54.000 It just seemed like, ooh, I don't want to get my MMA fighters.

00:10:58.000 I want to set a good MMA example.

00:11:01.000 Because I'm not going to be the one going in the cage. 1.00

00:11:03.000 So if I'm trying to teach them this shit, I better be doing this shit. 0.99

00:11:07.000 So I thought it's not a good idea to always go for leg locks. 0.99

00:11:13.000 If you're going to do MMA, it's...

00:11:18.000 It's a great second or third option, last resort.

00:11:22.000 Nothing's working.

00:11:23.000 You can't take the guy down.

00:11:24.000 You tried and maybe you almost got him down.

00:11:26.000 You almost passed the guard. 0.85

00:11:28.000 The guy's a beast.

00:11:29.000 It's not working.

00:11:30.000 Nothing's working.

00:11:31.000 He's throwing you around.

00:11:32.000 Nothing's working.

00:11:33.000 It's a third round.

00:11:34.000 You might tell this guy, if this guy...

00:11:38.000 In the gym was really good at leg locks. 0.99

00:11:40.000 This is where you tell him, let's fucking go after his legs. 0.99

00:11:43.000 The chokes aren't working. 1.00

00:11:44.000 We're not getting anywhere near his neck.

00:11:45.000 You got one more round.

00:11:47.000 Thank God that you can actually pull this off because you're really good at leg locks.

00:11:50.000 That's what I think.

00:11:51.000 It was like a last-ditch effort.

00:11:52.000 Yeah, last resort. 1.00

00:11:53.000 If shit didn't work... 1.00

00:11:54.000 Because it's risky. 1.00

00:11:55.000 They can work, but if they don't work...

00:11:57.000 You're on the bottom.

00:11:58.000 You're going to get Alan Belchard.

00:12:00.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:12:02.000 And the best leg locker in the game right now is Eddie Cummings.

00:12:07.000 He's an EBI 145 champion.

00:12:10.000 He...

00:12:11.000 He's incredible.

00:12:12.000 He's incredible.

00:12:13.000 He's like the Marcelo Garcia of leg locks.

00:12:14.000 And when you say Alan Belcher, we should explain what you mean.

00:12:17.000 Like when he fought Paul Hares, Paul Hares is like the best leg locker in MMA. Alan Belcher thought long and hard about this and worked a lot on the strategy and did a lot of leg lock defense.

00:12:26.000 He brought in, he flew and he trains in Alabama.

00:12:31.000 Oh, is it Alabama?

00:12:33.000 Biloxi, Mississippi.

00:12:34.000 He's got his gym there.

00:12:35.000 I forget.

00:12:36.000 I forget.

00:12:37.000 One of those places down there.

00:12:41.000 But he flew in Dean Lister for that fight, and Davi Ramos, who just won Abu Dhabi.

00:12:47.000 That guy's an animal.

00:12:48.000 I saw that flying arm bar that you nailed it. 1.00

00:12:50.000 Yeah, that guy's the new star in town, is Davi Ramos.

00:12:54.000 He's badass.

00:12:55.000 But Alan Belcher, three years ago, or two years ago, whenever that fight was, it was probably at least three years ago when that happened, when his fight with Rusamar Paharis, he flew both of them in, and he was already known as a really good leg locker.

00:13:07.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:13:08.000 He's yoked and shitty. 0.99

00:13:09.000 He looks like a mini little pohars, a little smaller. 1.00

00:13:13.000 And Alan Belcher said Dean Lister and Davi Ramos just wrecked him with legs for a month straight.

00:13:18.000 Just wrecked him.

00:13:19.000 And he just forced him, forced him to learn little by little.

00:13:24.000 You find your safe spots.

00:13:26.000 You figure out where you're safe.

00:13:29.000 And maybe you're not getting out or escaping, but let's figure out where we could stay safe.

00:13:33.000 And then we'll think about the escape later, you know?

00:13:36.000 Right.

00:13:36.000 That's how it all starts.

00:13:37.000 And then you get really good at, boom, at staying at that safe, just going right through that safe zone and right to the escapes because, you know, you've done it so much the slow way.

00:13:46.000 Then it starts blending little by little, boom.

00:13:50.000 But anyways...

00:13:53.000 Alan Belcher eventually learned how to deal with leg locks.

00:13:57.000 Amazingly.

00:13:57.000 Yeah.

00:13:58.000 And then he proved it in the octagon in the UFC against the scariest leg lock guy out there.

00:14:04.000 Still, to this day, still the scariest leg lock guy out there.

00:14:07.000 And...

00:14:08.000 Paul Harris had many shots at Allen's leg.

00:14:11.000 He would escape and then Russo Morparis has this elaborate system.

00:14:15.000 He knows exactly what he's doing.

00:14:16.000 You have to spend a lot of time there and really analyze the possibilities and all the angles.

00:14:23.000 When you're attacking legs, it really is an entirely different system.

00:14:27.000 Just legs.

00:14:28.000 But we're also learning...

00:14:30.000 That it's not a be-all end-all, especially in MMA. Paul Harris has been jacked a couple times, and even the best guy right now, Eddie Cummings, when he goes in and he competes, he's tapping everybody with heel hooks.

00:14:40.000 But he needs two or three tries at those legs.

00:14:44.000 Guy's gonna defend the first time.

00:14:46.000 It's always the same as matches.

00:14:47.000 He'll get guys really quick, too.

00:14:48.000 30 seconds, 12 seconds, boom. 0.99

00:14:50.000 He just jumps on legs, and he's like, dudes are like, oh, shit. 0.99

00:14:53.000 You know, he has... 1.00

00:14:54.000 But generally, against the top guy, the guy's gonna pull out of his shit like two or three times. 0.99

00:15:00.000 Eddie might just let him. 0.99

00:15:01.000 Let him think that, oh, look, I can't control him.

00:15:03.000 And then just setting him up.

00:15:05.000 Just playing with him.

00:15:06.000 Letting him go.

00:15:06.000 And then coming back.

00:15:07.000 Just knowing that he's gonna get those legs eventually.

00:15:10.000 Mm-hmm.

00:15:11.000 Just wearing you out, even.

00:15:12.000 Yes.

00:15:12.000 And then, but in MMA... Man, you gotta go in there.

00:15:16.000 It better work that first fucking time. 0.99

00:15:18.000 Because if that guy finds a little safe zone, and he has a safe zone where he can punch you, it could be lights out. 1.00

00:15:24.000 Risky.

00:15:25.000 Very dangerous.

00:15:26.000 So, regardless of how sophisticated and awesome leg locks are overall right now in grappling, still in MMA, they're still dangerous, but...

00:15:38.000 It's a very important secret weapon when, you know, the safer stuff, like, you know, taking him down and passing his guard and mounting him and getting his back and nice and safe. 0.92

00:15:50.000 You're not going to reverse shit on me. 0.97

00:15:52.000 You can't punch me. 1.00

00:15:54.000 You can't punch me.

00:15:55.000 I'm all over you. 0.73

00:15:56.000 Boom, bam, bam, nice and safe and dominating.

00:15:59.000 You know, it's always a...

00:16:01.000 A better idea to try to do that first.

00:16:04.000 If you can do that, why would you give him a chance at your face while you're going for leg locks?

00:16:10.000 You might get it, but you're giving him a shot.

00:16:13.000 Man, all he's got to do is be a little bit good at defending a little bit. 1.00

00:16:17.000 Defend that shit. 1.00

00:16:18.000 He's used to it. 1.00

00:16:18.000 Bam, bam, done. 1.00

00:16:20.000 Especially if you've got a guy.

00:16:21.000 You remember that Cro Cop-Gonzaga fight, the last one, where Cro Cop was on top of Gonzaga and blasting him with elbows?

00:16:27.000 Yes.

00:16:28.000 You saw what happens when you get a scary, scary striker like Cro Cop on top of you and you're not controlling his posture?

00:16:35.000 Yeah.

00:16:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:16:37.000 Ugh, can't forget that kind of shit. 1.00

00:16:39.000 Can't forget that, because Krokop might be the only guy we've seen do it like that, do it that quickly and devastatingly, but that means it's possible. 1.00

00:16:45.000 Like, just because you're in someone's guard, that shit isn't safe, you know? 0.96

00:16:49.000 Like, Tito never had the kind of... 0.98

00:16:53.000 The kind of speed and precision as a striker that Krokop has.

00:16:56.000 So Krokop's elbows, even his short elbows, are just so devastating. 0.91

00:16:59.000 But Tito used to fuck guys up from inside their guard. 0.98

00:17:02.000 He never bothered passing people's guard. 0.99

00:17:05.000 It's like, good luck holding on to me.

00:17:07.000 Boom! 0.99

00:17:07.000 And he would just jack guys from that position. 0.99

00:17:09.000 And the best ever was Uriah Faber.

00:17:12.000 Nobody threw elbows better than him because he was so small and his opponent was so small.

00:17:16.000 He could lie, lay and pray in someone's full guard.

00:17:20.000 Lay and pray.

00:17:21.000 Lay on him.

00:17:22.000 Just because he...

00:17:22.000 Top guy's got to clinch, too.

00:17:25.000 Bottom guy's throwing elbows.

00:17:26.000 Bottom guy could punch. 1.00

00:17:27.000 So, you know, if you're in someone's guard, you're in some danger with strikes, too, and submissions, if the guy knows what he's doing.

00:17:35.000 But he would pick dudes up.

00:17:36.000 He'd be laying prey, but then he would, like, spring up like he's doing some kind of, like, back extension.

00:17:41.000 He'd pick them up and then slam them on the ground, followed by an elbow, like a rhythm.

00:17:48.000 He'd lift him up.

00:17:49.000 He'd lift him up. 0.99

00:17:50.000 It was a fucking amazing rhythm. 0.99

00:17:52.000 That was the King of the Cage days, right? 0.99

00:17:54.000 No, that was WEC days.

00:17:56.000 Oh, was it?

00:17:56.000 That was before the UFC bought the WEC. This was back when it was in Santa Barbara.

00:18:02.000 Was that in Limor, California?

00:18:02.000 Yeah.

00:18:03.000 Somewhere in San Luis Obispo or some shit. 0.92

00:18:05.000 Yeah, that's way up north, right? 1.00

00:18:06.000 Yeah, and he used to fuck people up like that. 0.98

00:18:08.000 But then he learned how to pass the guard, and he got really good at jiu-jitsu. 0.90

00:18:11.000 So instead of staying there, he thought, even this guy with the most devastating ground and pound, you don't see it anymore.

00:18:16.000 Because he's going to try to pass the guard and mount you and take your back and choke you. 0.66

00:18:20.000 He knows the way now.

00:18:21.000 His guillotines, too. 0.97

00:18:22.000 When he gets a hold of the dude's neck, he's so nasty.

00:18:25.000 His guillotines are just so tight and quick.

00:18:27.000 When you think of someone...

00:18:30.000 You try to think of a UFC fighter who's known for a special submission, like Ronda, you're like Armbar, Ronda, Armbar, bam!

00:18:39.000 You know what I mean?

00:18:40.000 Bam! 0.98

00:18:41.000 There's only a few guys that you see the submission right next to them, right when someone talks about them.

00:18:46.000 And Uriah Faber, he's got that little special guillotine he does.

00:18:50.000 There's so many different ways to guillotine necks, so many different ways.

00:18:54.000 And the way that...

00:18:58.000 Uriah Faber does it.

00:19:00.000 I'm not even good at that way.

00:19:01.000 I never even get in that position.

00:19:03.000 I never find myself in that one.

00:19:04.000 It's like a whole beautiful little path and just a It's a dangerous choke.

00:19:10.000 I really gotta sit down and look into it, really, now that I'm thinking about it and talking about it.

00:19:13.000 I'm like, what am I doing?

00:19:14.000 There's just so much to do.

00:19:16.000 That was the beginning of this conversation.

00:19:17.000 There's so much to teach. 0.99

00:19:19.000 I have to write shit in my notes. 0.99

00:19:20.000 Boom, I brought it back. 0.99

00:19:21.000 That's the one thing that I hate listening to myself talk, is because I'll have a story I want to say, but then I think, okay, let me set it up. 0.97

00:19:28.000 So when I'm listening to my shit, I used to listen to my podcast, and I see it, and I'm dissecting what I do. 0.98

00:19:35.000 I'm trying to make a point, but I never get to the point. 0.99

00:19:37.000 Because I go so far back to set it up that by the time I get to the point, I already thought of another story.

00:19:44.000 And I'm going way over here.

00:19:47.000 That's called weed. 0.99

00:19:48.000 Yes.

00:19:49.000 I hate that about me. 1.00

00:19:51.000 Shit. 1.00

00:19:51.000 So when I hear myself do it, I go, there I go. 1.00

00:19:54.000 Start talking about something else. 0.99

00:19:55.000 Never even finished the fucking point. 0.99

00:19:57.000 I had a good point, too. 0.99

00:19:58.000 And I just forgot about it.

00:20:00.000 I never got to it.

00:20:01.000 We all do that.

00:20:02.000 It's when you get high.

00:20:04.000 I digress so much.

00:20:05.000 And then it becomes a game.

00:20:07.000 Let's try to figure out where this all started.

00:20:10.000 We're trying to backtrack.

00:20:11.000 Boom, boom, boom.

00:20:12.000 We do the exact same thing.

00:20:13.000 I do it all the time on this podcast.

00:20:15.000 If we get high, it just goes on its own.

00:20:20.000 Maybe we should let people know before the podcast, this is a marijuana-induced podcast.

00:20:25.000 Some of them are sober.

00:20:26.000 This one is not.

00:20:28.000 So there you go. 0.99

00:20:29.000 If you're going, what the fuck are they talking about? 0.99

00:20:31.000 Well, that. 0.99

00:20:32.000 There's that, too.

00:20:33.000 Weed.

00:20:34.000 Weed decides what you want to talk about.

00:20:35.000 And now you've got Ryan Hall, man.

00:20:37.000 Now we've got a little dude who's coming in with a Husamar Paharis-type threat to the legs as well. 0.99

00:20:44.000 How good is he going to do?

00:20:46.000 And you know what?

00:20:46.000 His stand-up, it looks like his foot works together.

00:20:48.000 He looks like he's got decent striking.

00:20:52.000 It looks like he knows how to move on his feet. 0.99

00:20:55.000 And he's been at TriStar, so you know he's working his wrestling all the goddamn time. 0.80

00:20:59.000 Is his wrestling going to be good enough to take anybody down in the top 10? 0.93

00:21:05.000 What is he weighing?

00:21:06.000 What is he competing at?

00:21:08.000 145, I think.

00:21:08.000 Is he going to stay there, or is he going to go to 35?

00:21:10.000 I'm not sure.

00:21:11.000 A lot of guys, they do tough at a weight class above, I think, because if you're going to make the extreme weight cut that a lot of guys make, you're going to need six to eight weeks to Whereas if you're on tough, you've got to do it multiple times over the course of six weeks.

00:21:23.000 And for a lot of dudes, almost everybody started out a higher weight class.

00:21:28.000 Michael Bisping, even though he competed at 205 and beat a lot of guys at 205, he fought on the Ultimate Fighter at 205. 185 was a better weight class for him.

00:21:36.000 Same with Kelvin.

00:21:38.000 Kelvin won it at 185, but he's better at 170. It's almost like if you're going to do the Ultimate Fighter, do your walk-around weight.

00:21:46.000 If you had to do something same-day weigh-in, do that weight.

00:21:49.000 That's always the next weight category.

00:21:51.000 Unless you want to get super crazy. 1.00

00:21:53.000 Some guys just say, fuck it, same-day weigh-in. 1.00

00:21:55.000 I'm still going to cut like a motherfucker. 1.00

00:21:57.000 I just think when you're on that show and you're going to do that several times over six weeks, and then on top of that, it's the nerves and all the TV cameras, your first experience. 0.99

00:22:04.000 You're better off just not doing anything that's going to drain you.

00:22:08.000 He might go to 35. How does he look at 45?

00:22:12.000 He's kind of like a skinny, wiry guy.

00:22:14.000 At 45, right now, so far in the house, I think he had one fight, and he had a fight to get in.

00:22:21.000 So far, with just those two fights, he's already world-renowned leg lock master.

00:22:29.000 Uriah on the show.

00:22:30.000 You watch the show at all?

00:22:31.000 I haven't seen the season at all.

00:22:33.000 Dude, come on.

00:22:34.000 I got it recorded.

00:22:35.000 I'm binge-watching.

00:22:37.000 Tough with Conor McGregor? 1.00

00:22:38.000 Holy motherfucking shit. 1.00

00:22:40.000 How good is it? 1.00

00:22:41.000 It's the best ever.

00:22:42.000 Are you kidding? 0.95

00:22:43.000 It's the best motherfucking tough of all time. 0.97

00:22:47.000 That's the best one. 0.99

00:22:48.000 How are you going to get better than Conor McGregor on your goddamn TV show? 0.99

00:22:52.000 A fight show? 0.99

00:22:53.000 Oh man, he gets under Uriah's skin. 1.00

00:22:56.000 Oh, he starts a lot of shit, man. 1.00

00:22:59.000 He's the ultimate shit talker, man. 1.00

00:23:01.000 Isn't it fucked up that he called TJ Dillashaw a snake in the grass and then Dillashaw wound up leaving? 1.00

00:23:07.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:23:07.000 That's some prophet shit. 1.00

00:23:09.000 That's some old Celtic warrior prophet shit. 1.00

00:23:12.000 McGregor just calling it like... 0.99

00:23:13.000 He just figures if he just calls it like he sees it, no filter, just call it like you see it.

00:23:18.000 Don't hold it in.

00:23:18.000 No editing.

00:23:19.000 Just let it all out.

00:23:20.000 He's from Dublin. 1.00

00:23:22.000 They talk mad shit over there, dude. 1.00

00:23:25.000 It's a totally different style of shit-talking. 1.00

00:23:27.000 You know the ultimate tough Would be Chael coaching one team and Connor coaching another team. 0.99

00:23:35.000 And they're different weight classes.

00:23:38.000 Chael could walk around at 230 if he's not fighting.

00:23:41.000 He's way bigger than Connor.

00:23:44.000 But Connor is so alpha.

00:23:47.000 Chael's going to big brother him and go, at first, come on, you're too small for me.

00:23:52.000 Chael would find a workaround.

00:23:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:23:54.000 Chael would figure out an unorthodox approach to dealing with Conor.

00:23:57.000 No, he would deal like, listen, you're 160 pounds.

00:24:00.000 You're a cute fella. 1.00

00:24:03.000 And then Conor's not going to take that.

00:24:05.000 Right.

00:24:05.000 Conor's not going to sit there and be the little 160 pound, you know, tiny little fighter to Chael.

00:24:12.000 He's not going to big brother him.

00:24:13.000 I think he's bigger than 160. I really do.

00:24:15.000 He's like 170 or whatever.

00:24:16.000 Which is crazy that he fights at 145. Think about the shit talking between them two. 1.00

00:24:20.000 Pretty incredible. 1.00

00:24:21.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:24:21.000 Shit! 1.00

00:24:22.000 You'd have to get Chael off of his suspension. 1.00

00:24:24.000 He's got a two-year suspension.

00:24:25.000 And then Conor would have to agree to fight him at a catchweight.

00:24:28.000 It'll end up being, Conor will go, let's meet at 180. If you can get down to 180 or 185. He can't get down to 180. Or maybe Conor just says, fuck it, we're going to fight free weight.

00:24:39.000 Absolute, bitch. 1.00

00:24:40.000 Well, I mean, Conor and Uriah aren't fighting. 1.00

00:24:43.000 I mean, the show's hilarious and they're not fighting.

00:24:46.000 Coaches don't need to compete against each other at the end for it to be good.

00:24:49.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:24:51.000 They don't need that.

00:24:52.000 That would just happen because Conor wouldn't be able to take it. 1.00

00:24:54.000 Conor would call him out and say, let's do this shit. 1.00

00:24:56.000 You know what would be interesting? 0.99

00:24:57.000 It would be interesting to see someone coach opposite of Ronda, like a dude.

00:25:04.000 A dude coach opposite of Ronda.

00:25:06.000 Conor and Ronda.

00:25:07.000 Yeah.

00:25:08.000 Dude, Connor and Rhonda, that would crush the ratings. 1.00

00:25:12.000 Dude, that would break the fucking... 1.00

00:25:14.000 That would break it. 1.00

00:25:14.000 That would be the greatest ratings of all time. 1.00

00:25:16.000 There would be no greater.

00:25:18.000 Connor and Rhonda together on a show.

00:25:20.000 And what if they wound up having an affair?

00:25:22.000 Oh.

00:25:23.000 It'd be giant news.

00:25:24.000 Dana would probably pull them aside, give them some ecstasy, say, listen, you guys want to make a lot of money?

00:25:29.000 Can you imagine?

00:25:35.000 That would be like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie of MMA. Right there, right?

00:25:40.000 Yeah, them eloping together.

00:25:43.000 It'd be so similar.

00:25:44.000 That's hilarious.

00:25:45.000 It would be the exact same thing. 0.99

00:25:46.000 It would be the exact same motherfucking thing. 0.98

00:25:49.000 He's the real fight club, and she's the number one chick on the planet who has more power than Angelina Jolie. 1.00

00:25:55.000 She can go to any goddamn country easily. 1.00

00:25:58.000 She wants to go meet the president of fucking Uganda. 1.00

00:26:01.000 She can make that happen. 1.00

00:26:02.000 He's going to be a Fuck yeah! 1.00

00:26:03.000 Are you kidding? 1.00

00:26:05.000 Fuck, he's gonna send a private jet for her. 1.00

00:26:08.000 Well, she's become like an ambassador. 1.00

00:26:11.000 She can get into anybody's house. 1.00

00:26:13.000 She's not just an actress.

00:26:16.000 She does so much humanitarian work.

00:26:18.000 She adopts so many kids.

00:26:20.000 Isn't that awesome?

00:26:20.000 It's amazing what they do.

00:26:22.000 I mean, a lot of people trivialize it because we always have suspect motives.

00:26:26.000 We always suspect, like, oh, they're just doing it for the publicity. 1.00

00:26:28.000 Oh, she's just fucking crazy. 1.00

00:26:30.000 But at the end of the day, she's adopting a bunch of people and spending a bunch of time working to help all these sick, needy, and poor people. 1.00

00:26:38.000 I mean, she does some pretty incredible shit, man. 0.97

00:26:41.000 That's a lot of positive energy. 0.99

00:26:42.000 Yeah.

00:26:43.000 I mean...

00:26:44.000 It's probably why she's had the most amazing career ever.

00:26:49.000 I mean, she's hot and everything, but there's a lot of hot chicks out there. 1.00

00:26:51.000 She remains relevant because of all that philanthropy work.

00:26:54.000 It seems like she wouldn't be doing all that she's doing if she didn't appreciate life way more than the average person.

00:27:03.000 So she's living in a state of appreciation so much.

00:27:06.000 She's wanting to give back so much and change the world. 0.78

00:27:09.000 She's so into it.

00:27:10.000 And that's just like an overproduction of appreciation.

00:27:14.000 And then look at her career.

00:27:15.000 Anything she comes out with, she's A-list all the way through.

00:27:20.000 Not only that, even if her movies suck, people just forget about them.

00:27:23.000 They just don't talk about them anymore. 0.99

00:27:24.000 It's not like Angelina Jolie sucks. 0.98

00:27:25.000 But if they were going to do Alien 6 with Angelina Jolie, you'd be like, oh shit, Angelina Jolie's going to be in the Alien movie. 0.99

00:27:34.000 You would never think, oh, this is how bad the cast is. 0.97

00:27:37.000 She's done that...

00:27:40.000 Cinderella-type movie.

00:27:41.000 It's kind of like a Disney super animated, but it's her.

00:27:44.000 Cruella, right?

00:27:45.000 Something like that.

00:27:46.000 I don't know how big that was.

00:27:47.000 Maybe that did like a hundred million or something.

00:27:49.000 It was big.

00:27:50.000 It was big for kids.

00:27:51.000 Perfect for her.

00:27:52.000 Yeah.

00:27:53.000 She could do anything.

00:27:55.000 Movie star-wise, any role that she really wants to pursue, she could do.

00:27:58.000 For now.

00:28:00.000 As she gets into her 40s, it'll be harder and harder. 1.00

00:28:03.000 That's what it is for those women, those Meryl Streep-type women. 1.00

00:28:06.000 We're just smashing it in the 80s. 0.86

00:28:08.000 Just killing it.

00:28:08.000 She's such a good actress.

00:28:10.000 God damn, she's good. 0.99

00:28:11.000 She's so believable. 0.99

00:28:13.000 But as they get in their 50s and in their 60s, it's hard to find roles.

00:28:17.000 There's not a lot of movies made about 60-year-old ladies. 0.99

00:28:20.000 So you have a support role that may or may not be juicy.

00:28:24.000 It might be boring.

00:28:25.000 Someone's mom.

00:28:26.000 Why don't you start playing the moms? 1.00

00:28:28.000 Well, that was one of the things Robin Williams was saying.

00:28:31.000 Rob Williams was saying before he died that it was really getting really hard for him because the only things that he was being offered that were interesting at all were like scale or sometimes not even scale.

00:28:41.000 Like you have to do it for free.

00:28:42.000 No way!

00:28:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:44.000 Like student projects.

00:28:45.000 Wow, I thought he was still huge.

00:28:47.000 He was.

00:28:48.000 But the things that he found interesting.

00:28:50.000 He would do these movies that were just, they didn't have any money.

00:28:53.000 They didn't have any budget.

00:28:54.000 But those were the interesting.

00:28:55.000 Like, did you ever see that 24-hour film, 24-hour photo?

00:28:58.000 What was it called?

00:29:00.000 I think it was called 24 Hour Photo or something like that.

00:29:01.000 He played a psycho, like a real psycho that starts stalking his family.

00:29:05.000 Oh, I heard about that.

00:29:05.000 Was that his last film?

00:29:08.000 No, no, no, no.

00:29:09.000 That was a few years ago.

00:29:10.000 But he started getting interested in doing these small, independent films like that.

00:29:14.000 And you know, they would offer him a piece of the back end or something like that, probably.

00:29:18.000 He had a huge nut. 0.96

00:29:19.000 He had a giant ass house up in like Northern California. 0.99

00:29:23.000 One hour photo, that's what it was. 0.94

00:29:24.000 Dude, he was so good in that movie. 0.99

00:29:26.000 God damn it. 0.99

00:29:27.000 You would never believe that he's a hilarious... 1.00

00:29:29.000 You'd never believe that the same guy from Mork and Mindy would be this fucking creeper in one hour photo. 0.97

00:29:34.000 He was awesome in it. 0.98

00:29:36.000 But my point being, he had a state in Northern California that was worth like 20 million bucks.

00:29:44.000 He had all these bills.

00:29:46.000 He had crazy, mad bills.

00:29:47.000 So, following his heart with these roles crushed him.

00:29:50.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:29:52.000 He had some serious physical issues.

00:29:55.000 He committed suicide for whatever reason.

00:29:59.000 Only he knows, but there was a lot going on.

00:30:02.000 He had Parkinson's disease.

00:30:03.000 He had some sort of dementia that apparently was coming on.

00:30:07.000 His mind wasn't functioning very well.

00:30:10.000 His body was failing.

00:30:11.000 He had a massive heart attack.

00:30:12.000 He had a massive heart attack.

00:30:14.000 And then in going through heart surgery, Dr. Mark Gordon, you met Dr. Gordon, right?

00:30:20.000 You met that guy?

00:30:21.000 I don't know.

00:30:21.000 He's the one that does all the work with traumatic brain injury patients.

00:30:25.000 And he said that when people go through any type of a giant surgery like that, like heart surgery, where you have to be under for a long period of time, a lot of times your hormonal system is devastated after that. 0.95

00:30:37.000 Your body's like really fucked up. 0.52

00:30:39.000 And it can send you into a depression. 0.99

00:30:40.000 Like the recovery from a major...

00:30:44.000 Like heart surgery, like what he had done, is apparently like it's a devastating thing on your body.

00:30:51.000 It takes a long time to recover from.

00:30:52.000 And in that recovery process, he thinks that a lot of patients suffer from massive depression.

00:30:58.000 And there's like a correlation between suicide attempts post-surgery that he thinks possibly could be attributed to this devastating effect that being under for a long period of times and then the trauma of the surgery Can have on you.

00:31:11.000 So he had a lot going that was wrong before he killed himself.

00:31:14.000 Yeah, all the energy.

00:31:16.000 This is just me guessing.

00:31:17.000 This is like bro biology.

00:31:19.000 But I'm guessing that when you're going through something like that and you're about to die and going through some major surgery, your body's like, we're not thinking about being happy at all right now.

00:31:30.000 We're thinking about being alive so it stops all serotonin production just to keep you alive. 0.99

00:31:35.000 And when you recover, Your shit is so depleted that maybe that's why you're depressed. 1.00

00:31:40.000 That's me guessing. 1.00

00:31:41.000 It could be.

00:31:42.000 It's a massive strain on the system.

00:31:46.000 One of the reasons why they would prescribe steroids after surgery is they would prescribe it, especially to athletes when they get injured, not just to make them recover quickly, but because during that recovery process, your body is very weak. 0.95

00:32:00.000 When you have some major shit going on with your body, you have some major shit fixed, like for the X amount of weeks afterwards, depending upon how old you are and how healthy you are, you feel wrecked. 0.95

00:32:12.000 You just feel wrecked. 0.99

00:32:13.000 You're just like, ugh.

00:32:15.000 Because your body's like, danger!

00:32:16.000 Danger!

00:32:17.000 Resources! 1.00

00:32:18.000 Dude, we got screws in our fucking knee. 0.99

00:32:21.000 There's an incision. 0.99

00:32:23.000 There's stitches.

00:32:24.000 There's screws in the patella and in the bottom.

00:32:27.000 This is crazy.

00:32:28.000 He cut off a piece of our patella tendon and stuffed it inside where the ACL used to be.

00:32:32.000 There's no ACL. All this inflammation.

00:32:35.000 Like your body's on just like crash alert. 0.98

00:32:38.000 Your body knows something, some pretty devastating, severe shit has happened to it. 0.82

00:32:43.000 So I think depending upon how healthy you are, it can be rough times afterwards. 0.91

00:32:49.000 And I think for an older dude like him, who already has these physical issues, I don't know if Parkinson's happened before or if he had had the symptoms.

00:32:58.000 How did he kill himself again?

00:32:59.000 He hung himself. 1.00

00:33:01.000 Damn. 1.00

00:33:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:02.000 Damn. 1.00

00:33:04.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

00:33:05.000 Is that a quick way to go on suicide?

00:33:09.000 People do that, they want to suffer a little bit?

00:33:11.000 They do if they don't want to shoot themselves or they don't want to suffer from pills.

00:33:15.000 There's only a few ways to go.

00:33:18.000 California actually just passed a law for assisted suicide, which is going to be interesting.

00:33:23.000 I don't know the particular details of the law, but when people are terminally ill, like if you're dying of cancer or something like that, you're just in agony every day.

00:33:33.000 Now, finally, you can end your own life, and you can have doctor-assisted suicide.

00:33:38.000 They've been doing it to people, either on the sneak tip, or people have had to go to states where it's legal.

00:33:44.000 I believe it's legal in Oregon.

00:33:46.000 But now it's going to be legal here too.

00:33:48.000 It's amazing that you can't...

00:33:50.000 You have to... 1.00

00:33:52.000 Eventually everyone has to think about shit like that. 1.00

00:33:54.000 People put their dog down. 1.00

00:33:56.000 Okay?

00:33:56.000 Your dog's in agony.

00:33:57.000 You put your dog down.

00:33:58.000 But not grandpa.

00:33:59.000 Grandpa's got to suffer. 0.99

00:34:00.000 Grandpa's got to just keep shitting his pants and throwing up and falling down and breaking all his bones and then stitch them back together again and give him some pills. 0.98

00:34:07.000 If grandpa was a dog, you would have put grandpa out a long time ago. 0.98

00:34:10.000 You know?

00:34:11.000 If grandpa says, look, I'm ready to go...

00:34:14.000 You bring in the doctor.

00:34:15.000 The doctor, are you of sound mind?

00:34:16.000 Yes.

00:34:17.000 I'm 95 years old.

00:34:19.000 I've had a great life.

00:34:19.000 I have a wonderful family around.

00:34:21.000 I'd like them to be around when I pass.

00:34:23.000 And that's it.

00:34:25.000 And you go.

00:34:27.000 Which is probably a good way to go, man.

00:34:29.000 It's probably a good way to go.

00:34:31.000 I think the idea that you're supposed to suffer and make it to the end because it's natural.

00:34:36.000 Well, that's not how we treat our cats. 0.99

00:34:39.000 You know, if your cat is in fucking agony, man, you put your cat down. 0.99

00:34:42.000 Your dog gets hit by a car and he's not going to make it. 1.00

00:34:45.000 He's just howling.

00:34:46.000 You put your dog down. 1.00

00:34:47.000 This idea that people have to make it to some fucking finish line. 1.00

00:34:53.000 Darkness. 0.99

00:34:54.000 It is dark.

00:34:55.000 Yeah.

00:34:56.000 Darkness.

00:34:57.000 Embrace that darkness.

00:34:59.000 Say something happy.

00:35:00.000 The darkness makes you appreciate the light.

00:35:02.000 You know? 1.00

00:35:03.000 That kind of shit that makes you appreciate the light. 1.00

00:35:05.000 Yeah, man. 1.00

00:35:06.000 It's like we're all going to have to deal with that sooner or later.

00:35:10.000 Or you die early, you know?

00:35:11.000 One or the other.

00:35:13.000 You're going to go through that old age in the hospital, falling apart, people taking care of you.

00:35:18.000 Everybody's going to go through that.

00:35:19.000 Or you're going to die before that.

00:35:21.000 Yeah, one or the other.

00:35:23.000 My friend from Boston just died.

00:35:25.000 My boss, when I was starting out doing stand-up comedy, I stayed friends with him for the past 26 years.

00:35:32.000 His name is Dave Dolan.

00:35:34.000 He was a private investigator and he needed a driver because he lost his license with a DUI. And he said, fuck it, I'm quitting drinking, that's it, but I need a driver, because he still had to work. 0.98

00:35:46.000 So he put an ad out, and the want ads, for a private investigator's assistant. 0.99

00:35:51.000 And I answered the ad, and I met this dude, and he was fucking hilarious.

00:35:56.000 It was mostly insurance cases. 0.78

00:35:58.000 Occasionally, it would be like a guy who thinks his wife's cheating on him, but most of it was insurance cases, where people would pretend to be injured, and they would get another job, like working for cash, under the table, and you'd catch them.

00:36:09.000 Because the insurance company was...

00:36:11.000 Paying them millions of dollars or whatever they were paying them, and then they would go get another job.

00:36:15.000 Probably not millions, you know.

00:36:17.000 Maybe they were suing, whatever it was.

00:36:19.000 Most of these people, they would get up early in the morning and go work other jobs, so we would just wait.

00:36:24.000 So we would drive to this location.

00:36:26.000 Go up the street.

00:36:27.000 So our car would be facing that house.

00:36:29.000 And we'd shut the car off and wait.

00:36:30.000 Just like the movies.

00:36:32.000 Like 4 o'clock in the morning.

00:36:33.000 But you're sitting there at 4 o'clock in the morning waiting for this dude to wake up. 1.00

00:36:36.000 And you just start talking shit. 1.00

00:36:38.000 And he would just talk shit. 1.00

00:36:39.000 He was hilarious. 1.00

00:36:40.000 Who would talk shit? 1.00

00:36:41.000 Dave. 1.00

00:36:42.000 This guy Dave.

00:36:42.000 Oh, your partner.

00:36:43.000 Yeah.

00:36:43.000 He was one of the funniest people I've ever met in my life.

00:36:46.000 How old were you at this time?

00:36:47.000 I was 21. And you were doing stand-up already?

00:36:49.000 Just starting stand-up.

00:36:50.000 I was just doing open mic nights.

00:36:52.000 I was still fighting.

00:36:53.000 He was one of the last guys to see me fight. 1.00

00:36:55.000 And he would just talk shit. 1.00

00:37:00.000 He was one of those guys that women could never, ever get him to change. 1.00

00:37:06.000 It was impossible.

00:37:08.000 There was no, like, what should I do?

00:37:12.000 Man, she wants me to change.

00:37:14.000 She wants me to change the way I'm dressing.

00:37:16.000 She wants me to move.

00:37:17.000 Into some new neighborhood.

00:37:18.000 She wants me to quit my job. 0.97

00:37:20.000 Maybe I'm going to convert and become Jewish. 0.98

00:37:22.000 There was none of that in that dude.

00:37:23.000 None. 1.00

00:37:24.000 From the moment I met him, he was like, Fuck that! 1.00

00:37:26.000 You do that, that's the beginning of the end, pal. 1.00

00:37:29.000 Listen, that's how they get you.

00:37:30.000 And he would always just be laughing.

00:37:32.000 I don't believe he was ever married.

00:37:34.000 He might have been.

00:37:35.000 But even if he was, I'm sure that chick had zero control over that guy. 1.00

00:37:39.000 That guy was crazy. 0.54

00:37:39.000 He was hilarious. 0.54

00:37:40.000 He was a guy that was meant to be a comedian that never became a comedian.

00:37:44.000 A hundred percent.

00:37:45.000 He could have been a world-class comedian. 0.99

00:37:47.000 He was fucking funny. 0.99

00:37:48.000 And he was insightful. 0.99

00:37:50.000 And his cousin actually owned the Comedy Connection.

00:37:53.000 His cousin was Bill Downs, who was one of the owners of the Comedy Connection.

00:37:57.000 So I didn't even know this when I started working for him.

00:37:59.000 And he's asking me, you know, what do you do?

00:38:01.000 And I told him the whole deal.

00:38:02.000 And he was like, my cousin's Billy Downs.

00:38:05.000 I'm like, I do open mic nights there. 1.00

00:38:07.000 He's like, no shit. 0.99

00:38:08.000 And so he... 1.00

00:38:10.000 Easily.

00:38:11.000 Like if he just decided to go and do it.

00:38:13.000 He just never did it.

00:38:13.000 He easily could have been a comedian.

00:38:15.000 He was fucking hilarious. 0.98

00:38:17.000 And we would do these things. 0.98

00:38:18.000 We would show up at people's houses.

00:38:19.000 He would have like a list of license plates.

00:38:22.000 And on one of those license plates would be the license plate of the person that we're looking at.

00:38:26.000 The other ones would be scratched out.

00:38:28.000 And maybe a couple more.

00:38:29.000 You'd just write a few in and get to this one.

00:38:32.000 And he would say, listen, my girl was in a hit-and-run accident, and this guy, he took off, but someone got the plate, and they didn't get it all, but they got this amount of it.

00:38:44.000 And the guy would go, well, that definitely wasn't me.

00:38:46.000 Hey, wow, I'm so sorry to hear that.

00:38:48.000 Is she okay?

00:38:49.000 They go, well, she's going to be all right, but she's got a bulging disc in her L7, which is exactly what this guy's injury was.

00:38:56.000 And the person would go, that's crazy.

00:38:58.000 I have that same injury.

00:38:59.000 Oh, no kidding, huh?

00:39:00.000 Well, you're getting the compensation?

00:39:03.000 And the guy would go, yeah, you're getting paid?

00:39:05.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, it's great.

00:39:06.000 And I'm also working under another name.

00:39:09.000 They would just tell you.

00:39:10.000 This woman told us that very story.

00:39:12.000 She told us she was working under her maiden name.

00:39:14.000 Then she had us inside for coffee.

00:39:15.000 This is how crazy people were in 1988. They have you in their fucking house for coffee. 1.00

00:39:19.000 We didn't know this lady. 1.00

00:39:21.000 It was two men.

00:39:22.000 Two men.

00:39:23.000 I mean, me, I was 21, and he was probably like 31, 32 at the time. 0.99

00:39:27.000 And he had us in her fucking house and drink coffee with us. 0.96

00:39:30.000 And Dave's asking her, so how do you work that? 1.00

00:39:32.000 And she's telling him, you know, well, she's my maiden name.

00:39:36.000 Like, so what happened to you?

00:39:37.000 And he's tape recording it.

00:39:39.000 No, no, he's just listening.

00:39:40.000 Just listening.

00:39:41.000 So he goes, so did you get hurt? 0.99

00:39:44.000 Or did you just bullshit the whole thing? 0.97

00:39:45.000 She's like, well, I got hurt a little bit, but I was fine a little. 0.96

00:39:47.000 So I went to the doctor, and the doctor looked at me like, gee, She gave up the whole story, and then we left.

00:39:53.000 I was like, God, I feel so bad.

00:39:55.000 We can't rat her out.

00:39:56.000 She was so nice. 1.00

00:39:56.000 He goes, fuck her! 1.00

00:39:57.000 She goes, fuck her! 1.00

00:40:03.000 We got in the car, and I felt terrible, because this lady was so nice, and she let us in on her scammer. 1.00

00:40:10.000 Fuck her! 1.00

00:40:10.000 She's a fucking scammer! 1.00

00:40:12.000 Fuck her! 1.00

00:40:16.000 He would never, ever show any sympathy for those people that were scamming insurance. 1.00

00:40:20.000 That was the game.

00:40:21.000 It was like, I'm the sheepdog.

00:40:23.000 You're the coyote. 1.00

00:40:24.000 I'm going to jack you. 1.00

00:40:25.000 It's like that cartoon. 0.93

00:40:26.000 So you wouldn't follow him.

00:40:28.000 You would just see him walking and then you'd go up to him.

00:40:31.000 Totally depends.

00:40:32.000 Sometimes we would actually show up at the job site. 0.99

00:40:34.000 We'd catch a guy on a roof with a fucking bag of shingles on his back. 0.97

00:40:37.000 And then what do you do? 0.99

00:40:38.000 What do you say?

00:40:38.000 Just find out where the guy is.

00:40:42.000 Take photos.

00:40:43.000 He had a camera.

00:40:44.000 Take photos of the guy.

00:40:45.000 And go, look, this guy's working.

00:40:46.000 Okay.

00:40:47.000 And then what usually would happen, I believe, the way they would work is the insurance company would threaten the person and would say they're going to have them arrested for fraud.

00:40:58.000 And then the person would either settle or they would maybe have to pay some of the money back.

00:41:02.000 The insurance company just knew they were being scammed.

00:41:05.000 Yeah.

00:41:05.000 And they didn't want to...

00:41:06.000 Did you ever have to fuck anybody up? 0.99

00:41:07.000 No, no, no. 0.94

00:41:08.000 Nothing ever got ugly.

00:41:10.000 Nothing even got yelly.

00:41:12.000 What year was this?

00:41:13.000 88. 80 fucking 8. Yeah, Dave was like real good at talking to people. 0.99

00:41:19.000 But he loved it.

00:41:21.000 He loved the scamming people.

00:41:23.000 He loved it.

00:41:24.000 He just loved it.

00:41:25.000 He said, oh, you're getting paid though, aren't you?

00:41:26.000 He would love baiting them in and getting them to talk about it.

00:41:30.000 And he would get in the car and start laughing. 1.00

00:41:32.000 That fucking dummy, he gave us everything. 1.00

00:41:35.000 Look at these photos. 1.00

00:41:36.000 Perfect.

00:41:37.000 He goes. 1.00

00:41:37.000 Fuck him. 1.00

00:41:38.000 He goes. 1.00

00:41:39.000 Fuck him. 1.00

00:41:40.000 How would Joey do him? 1.00

00:41:42.000 That would be rough.

00:41:43.000 I'd have to think about that.

00:41:45.000 I don't know, man. 1.00

00:41:47.000 Fuck him! 1.00

00:41:48.000 But he just died of cancer. 1.00

00:41:50.000 He just died of cancer last week.

00:41:52.000 Real quick, apparently.

00:41:54.000 I started getting some emails and messages about it, and I was like, no way.

00:41:59.000 When was the last time you talked to him?

00:42:01.000 Last time I was in Boston just a few months ago, and I'm going back to Boston in January, and I was going to get him tickets to the fights, and I was hoping to have some dinner with him or something, hang out with him.

00:42:10.000 But we stayed friends.

00:42:13.000 We stayed friends all this time.

00:42:15.000 He was a good dude, man.

00:42:17.000 Stayed being a private investigator. 0.99

00:42:21.000 Every now and then he would call me up with some crazy fucking story. 1.00

00:42:24.000 One of them was this guy whose girlfriend was getting fucked by this bodybuilder. 1.00

00:42:29.000 She was meeting this gorilla who was just ragdolling her. 1.00

00:42:35.000 Just fucking savage fucking her. 1.00

00:42:37.000 And this guy kept wanting to get her followed. 1.00

00:42:40.000 The guy was a real nerdy guy.

00:42:42.000 He's a computer guy.

00:42:43.000 And his girlfriend was just getting mauled all the time by this dude.

00:42:47.000 And he suspected it, so he hired us a private investigator. 0.99

00:42:50.000 And then Dave was like, dude, I can't keep taking pictures of your girl getting fucked by this giant guy. 0.99

00:42:55.000 It's starting to get creepy. 1.00

00:42:57.000 Okay?

00:42:58.000 So we're done here.

00:43:02.000 But him telling him, this guy's like, oh, go follow her tomorrow.

00:43:05.000 Follow her tomorrow?

00:43:07.000 Are you looking at the pictures I'm looking at?

00:43:09.000 Because he would, like, take pictures of this guy just stuffing her.

00:43:12.000 I need more pictures.

00:43:15.000 He probably loved those pictures.

00:43:17.000 Oh, I bet he did. 0.91

00:43:18.000 Well, he's probably a cuckold, you know? 0.97

00:43:19.000 Like, that's what they say. 0.99

00:43:20.000 That's like a whole style of porn now. 0.98

00:43:23.000 It's like a guy, it's usually, like, black guys. 0.98

00:43:25.000 Like, a white guy who's a nerd, he's like, um, yeah, sure, come on in.

00:43:28.000 Like, oh, man, it's your wife? 1.00

00:43:30.000 Oh, shit, I don't need your wife. 1.00

00:43:31.000 Who's this hot? 1.00

00:43:32.000 Uh, she is my wife. 0.97

00:43:34.000 Um, I'm not sure if I want you talking about her like that. 1.00

00:43:37.000 Talking about her, blah, blah, fuck her. 1.00

00:43:39.000 This bitch wants my dick. 1.00

00:43:40.000 Oh, she wants his dick, bitch. 1.00

00:43:42.000 Oh, she's sucking my dick right in front of you. 1.00

00:43:46.000 There's porn like that. 1.00

00:43:47.000 And there's an old man. 1.00

00:43:49.000 There's always old husbands and shit. 1.00

00:43:50.000 No, she's like a feeble guy. 1.00

00:43:52.000 A feeble guy and a black guy with a fucking shillelagh. 1.00

00:43:55.000 She never pulls his dick out? 1.00

00:43:56.000 Black guy's dick? 1.00

00:43:57.000 No, no, no, the guy. 1.00

00:43:58.000 I'm sure there's no way the white guys pull their dick out. 1.00

00:44:01.000 Yeah, most of the time the white guys- The guy getting abused? 1.00

00:44:03.000 The husband never fucks? 0.99

00:44:05.000 Well, I'm sure there's someone who the husband fucks too. 1.00

00:44:07.000 I'm sure there's someone who the husband gets fucked. 1.00

00:44:08.000 That would kill it. 1.00

00:44:09.000 I'm sure there's someone who the husband has to suck the guy's dick. 1.00

00:44:11.000 Like maybe the wife fucks the hu- Maybe the husband has to sit there. 1.00

00:44:16.000 This is the ultimate cuckold. 1.00

00:44:17.000 The husband has to sit there while this giant fucking super athlete fucks his girl and then when the guy comes, he comes in the husband's mouth. 1.00

00:44:27.000 It's the ultimate one. 1.00

00:44:28.000 It's the only time the husband sucks the guy's dick, but Azzy, get over here, get your head over here! 1.00

00:44:31.000 He puts the guy's head right down on the wife's stomach while he's just fucking plowing it, and then he pulls it out and stuffs it in the dude's mouth. 1.00

00:44:40.000 Right now, someone's writing this down, and they're making this video. 0.98

00:44:43.000 They're like, we're shooting it this week.

00:44:46.000 Dudes on Twitter sending you links that already exist.

00:44:48.000 It's like a whole trilogy.

00:44:51.000 That's actually quite normal.

00:44:52.000 It's probably a website.

00:44:53.000 Oh, comeinthehusbandsmouth.com.

00:44:55.000 You've never been?

00:44:56.000 You don't even know that website, bro?

00:44:58.000 Yeah.

00:44:59.000 Whatever you can think of, man.

00:45:01.000 When we were first, when you were first exposed to porn, I was exposed like in high school.

00:45:06.000 That's when I first found out about porn.

00:45:08.000 It was all so normal. 0.67

00:45:09.000 It was just the worst thing that would happen is two people get together and they'd have sex.

00:45:13.000 That was it.

00:45:14.000 That was all that ever happened.

00:45:15.000 But then somewhere around the time, like we were in a...

00:45:19.000 Germans!

00:45:21.000 In the Japanese. 1.00

00:45:22.000 You mean shit porn. 1.00

00:45:24.000 That's not even porn. 1.00

00:45:25.000 That's just fucking weird. 1.00

00:45:28.000 But even just regular porn became more about gagging and fucking... 1.00

00:45:34.000 Gagging? 1.00

00:45:35.000 Yeah, girls. 1.00

00:45:37.000 Even when they suck dick now, it's like they're doing it like they're trying to kill themselves. 1.00

00:45:41.000 Is that the new thing? 1.00

00:45:42.000 Is that the new thing?

00:45:43.000 I didn't know that.

00:45:44.000 The gagging noises is good?

00:45:46.000 There's a lot of that, dude.

00:45:47.000 You've never seen? 1.00

00:45:47.000 Gag, bitch, gag! 1.00

00:45:48.000 Oh, there's a lot of that. 1.00

00:45:50.000 It seems like people got bored with the regular stuff, and then it got more and more and more.

00:45:55.000 Gag me later.

00:45:57.000 Gag at me. 1.00

00:45:58.000 Scream at me later and I'll make you gag. 1.00

00:46:01.000 Too long. 0.97

00:46:02.000 Hashtag. 0.83

00:46:03.000 Hashtag scream at me later and I'll make you gag. 1.00

00:46:07.000 Oh, man.

00:46:09.000 I was talking about this the other day with Chris Ryan. 1.00

00:46:12.000 Porn, like the look of a girl's vagina, like shaved vaginas, that's the only way now. 1.00

00:46:18.000 Like there's very few bushes. 1.00

00:46:20.000 If a girl has a bush these days, like she's taking a big chance.

00:46:23.000 She's being very eccentric.

00:46:25.000 But back then, it was all bushes.

00:46:27.000 There was a point in time, when I was like 22, that I actually preferred a little bush. 0.99

00:46:33.000 Because when girls would shave, it would like, burn, like, it would like, scafe my cock. 1.00

00:46:39.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:46:40.000 Because of the stubble.

00:46:41.000 But when they left it kind of bushy, it was all nice and squishy.

00:46:45.000 Felt better.

00:46:46.000 Good point. 0.98

00:46:48.000 I was really into it, so when a girl had a little bush, I'm like, damn, I'd like to squish into her. 1.00

00:46:51.000 Some girls get all crazy lasered and shit. 1.00

00:46:54.000 They do their legs, their pussy and everything. 1.00

00:46:55.000 Nothing wrong with that. 1.00

00:46:56.000 Laser that shit. 1.00

00:46:57.000 But isn't that nuts, man, that we use a light beam to cook the skin? 1.00

00:47:01.000 We don't want hair on them.

00:47:03.000 Are there cultures where girls with hairy legs are hot? 1.00

00:47:07.000 Must be. 0.51

00:47:08.000 There's got to be a couple countries.

00:47:09.000 At least three.

00:47:10.000 Well, how about that country in Africa?

00:47:11.000 Was it Suri, where they cut their lips and they put plates in them? 0.93

00:47:15.000 Yep.

00:47:15.000 And the bigger the plate, the more cattle you're worth when you get married?

00:47:18.000 Yep.

00:47:19.000 What? 1.00

00:47:22.000 Who's fucking... 1.00

00:47:23.000 I want to know that story! 1.00

00:47:24.000 I want a documentary on how that happened.

00:47:26.000 The evolution of that big plate on that lip.

00:47:29.000 When did it get cool?

00:47:31.000 Who brought it up? 0.99

00:47:32.000 Who is the Helio Gracie of them lip fucking plates? 1.00

00:47:36.000 Who made that shit up? 1.00

00:47:38.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:47:38.000 There's gotta be a story. 1.00

00:47:40.000 Well, I've heard speculation that the way they did it, they made the girl's lip like that so that she wouldn't be attractive to slaves, to slavers, to people that were trying to get slaves. 0.54

00:47:51.000 How did it get to that point?

00:47:52.000 I know, right?

00:47:53.000 Everyone agreed on that?

00:47:55.000 Well... 0.98

00:47:56.000 Don't a lot of people that have a lot of metal in their face and shit, and a lot of people have crazy piercings in their cheeks and their nose and their lips, don't people usually say that that's a sign, and this is total bro psychology, 0.98

00:48:12.000 right? 0.98

00:48:13.000 But that that's a sign of people that have been abused?

00:48:15.000 Isn't that usually a sign of people that have had something bad happen to them? 0.99

00:48:19.000 Maybe like back in olden times, before there was mental institutions, like the crazy people of the village, the big cities, like in Rome, all the crazy people, they just went out to the fucking jungle and started their own little culture, and some of them were fucking nuts. 0.98

00:48:37.000 Like, who thought of these stories? 0.98

00:48:40.000 How did the Romans get all the way to Africa?

00:48:42.000 Did they ever make it to Africa?

00:48:42.000 Who invented that platelip?

00:48:44.000 Yeah.

00:48:45.000 I think it was probably...

00:48:45.000 It makes sense, though, if you look at, like, when you see...

00:48:48.000 Okay, if you see a girl with a bunch of shit in her face, don't you immediately assume, like, oh, this girl's probably molested. 1.00

00:48:54.000 Don't you? 1.00

00:48:55.000 Yeah.

00:48:55.000 Yeah, right?

00:48:56.000 Whether or not that's fair or not?

00:48:58.000 Yeah.

00:48:58.000 Just being honest about...

00:48:59.000 It's probably totally not true.

00:49:00.000 It's probably totally not true, but...

00:49:02.000 You assume it, right?

00:49:03.000 Automatically.

00:49:04.000 We've developed a correlation between people that like girls with face tattoos or five eyebrow rings and a nose ring and two lip rings and a tongue ring. 0.98

00:49:14.000 Okay, what's going on here?

00:49:16.000 There's definitely signs of abuse. 0.98

00:49:18.000 Like for me, growing up with long hair, that was a I thought when I was growing up, my dad was never around and my stepdad didn't give a shit. 0.97

00:49:26.000 I thought, that doesn't affect me. 0.97

00:49:28.000 I'm too strong.

00:49:29.000 I'm 12, 13. I'm 15, 16. I'm always thinking that never affected me.

00:49:33.000 I didn't need a fucking dad. 1.00

00:49:35.000 It was always that way. 1.00

00:49:36.000 That didn't affect me.

00:49:36.000 But when I look back at the pictures of my big Mexican family, there's all these normal looking people.

00:49:41.000 And then there's the dude at the wedding with the long hair who's pissed off that he's there and not hanging out with his friends.

00:49:47.000 It was always me, pissed off.

00:49:49.000 Pictures just like this. 0.97

00:49:50.000 It was normal for me to be at the wedding, at the quinceanera, at the big whatever shindig, just pissed off that I'm not with my friends and playing music and listening to Slayer and shit. 0.56

00:50:02.000 And I thought I wasn't affected. 0.90

00:50:04.000 I was so affected.

00:50:05.000 I was a drummer in speed metal bands writing satanic lyrics.

00:50:09.000 And I thought I wasn't affected.

00:50:11.000 My hair was long.

00:50:12.000 I was always in a pissed off mood.

00:50:13.000 Like, oh no, I'm fine.

00:50:15.000 I'm fine. 1.00

00:50:17.000 That shit, I'm too strong for that shit! 1.00

00:50:19.000 Fuck my dad! 1.00

00:50:21.000 I don't need him! 1.00

00:50:22.000 I didn't give a shit! 1.00

00:50:23.000 But damn, he damaged me! 1.00

00:50:26.000 Of course. 1.00

00:50:26.000 There was damage right there, shit! 1.00

00:50:28.000 Every kid that doesn't get paid attention to, it's a core component of being a human being. 1.00

00:50:34.000 Like food, like water, like...

00:50:37.000 Being out in the sun, all those things are important for the development of a human being.

00:50:40.000 Attention and love from your family is what makes you a loving person.

00:50:45.000 You become loving when you're loved.

00:50:47.000 When you're not loved, you turn inward, you get angry, you get aggressive.

00:50:51.000 That's what happens to people.

00:50:52.000 It's natural.

00:50:52.000 When you find people that are abused, a lot of times those people wind up being abusive themselves.

00:50:58.000 They lash out. 0.99

00:51:00.000 I wonder if that is what happened with the Suri women, that they were being taken as slaves, and so they just started doing fucked up shit to their face to make themselves unattractive. 1.00

00:51:09.000 And they started their own little camp, and then it turned into a village, and then boom, it was a bunch of fucking crazy people. 1.00

00:51:14.000 Started by like one crazy dude. 1.00

00:51:16.000 It was like the one dude who's in those piercing circuses.

00:51:20.000 What do you call those things?

00:51:21.000 You know, that's like- Piercing circuses?

00:51:24.000 Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about. 0.96

00:51:24.000 You know, those crazy, weird freak shows, but with a lot of piercings and shit like that. 0.96

00:51:29.000 Like, you know, like they have like a million, they're hanging from fucking, like some crane. 0.99

00:51:34.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:51:35.000 I mean, I'm down with tattoos, you know that.

00:51:37.000 I like tattoos, but maybe not all over the face.

00:51:42.000 Generally...

00:51:43.000 Generally, you want a little bit, you know what I mean?

00:51:45.000 Like the Mike Tyson one, I like it now. 0.99

00:51:47.000 Mike Tyson's a bad motherfucker, I like it. 0.99

00:51:49.000 And then Kat Von D got some stars and shit, a little bit. 1.00

00:51:52.000 And you know, the neck ones are cool and all that shit too. 0.99

00:51:54.000 That's all. 0.96

00:51:54.000 But when you're hanging from a crane and you got these rings all around your skull and they're hanging you, Jesus, there's something. 0.96

00:52:03.000 I want to know what happened.

00:52:04.000 Yeah, something happened.

00:52:06.000 Yeah, something happened.

00:52:07.000 Maybe it was just like me.

00:52:09.000 Maybe his father wasn't around and...

00:52:11.000 Well, just think about your situation was bad, right?

00:52:14.000 But we all know people who was way worse.

00:52:17.000 You know, like, you got through uninjured, you know, no one was raping you.

00:52:21.000 You know, there's like, you got through, like, relatively speaking.

00:52:24.000 Absolutely.

00:52:25.000 I never...

00:52:26.000 I wouldn't change a thing about my life.

00:52:29.000 Nor would I. But a lot of people didn't, right?

00:52:31.000 And when you see really fucked up people, really crazy out there people, a lot of times that's what they're reacting to. 0.97

00:52:38.000 Whatever kind of abuse it was, whether it was sexual abuse, whether it was violence, whether it was abandonment, whatever it is, whatever pain and hurting... 0.99

00:52:45.000 Made them try to become something different.

00:52:48.000 Try to seek out others like her or like him.

00:52:51.000 That's what people do when they form these...

00:52:53.000 It's like when you're talking about being at the wedding and wanting to be with your friends.

00:52:56.000 I remember that exact same feeling.

00:52:58.000 I only felt normal when I was with my friends.

00:53:01.000 That's it.

00:53:03.000 Every time else I was like, oh my god, I can't be here.

00:53:05.000 I can't do this.

00:53:06.000 I can't do this.

00:53:07.000 I don't want to do this.

00:53:08.000 I just got to go to my friends and everybody will relax together. 1.00

00:53:11.000 We'll be able to talk and laugh and fuck off. 0.99

00:53:13.000 That was like always the appeal of hanging out at the pool hall when I was young. 0.99

00:53:18.000 When I started hanging out at this place called Executive Billiards in White Plains with my friend Johnny that died from drugs.

00:53:25.000 That place was just, we were all misfits.

00:53:28.000 It was like how the comedy store is.

00:53:30.000 Mitzi Shore actually calls the comedy store the island of misfit toys.

00:53:34.000 That's like her nickname for it.

00:53:35.000 Because all these weirdos come from all over the world.

00:53:38.000 But they all, they go there and they realize when they're there, like...

00:53:41.000 There's other people like me.

00:53:42.000 There's other people like me.

00:53:43.000 I just had to find them. 1.00

00:53:44.000 I just had to find these fuckers. 1.00

00:53:45.000 They weren't at the wedding. 1.00

00:53:47.000 They weren't at the quinceañera.

00:53:48.000 Yeah.

00:53:49.000 Back then, when I look at movies from the 80s, in those movies, you're looking at people that are not connected.

00:53:56.000 They don't have that internet phone that we got.

00:53:58.000 You know what I mean?

00:53:59.000 It's like, that life, everyone is disconnected.

00:54:04.000 The only thing that we were connected to was...

00:54:07.000 TV and radio, the big networks.

00:54:09.000 That's the only way we can connect.

00:54:11.000 And, you know, people say that we're more connected now than ever.

00:54:15.000 We are in a lot of ways, but in some ways, because we weren't individually connected, and there was only one source, NBC, CBS, ABC, that actually connected everybody.

00:54:26.000 And there's everyone listening to the radio and And the radio stations were creating stars and everybody saw different strokes.

00:54:34.000 You went to school and everyone saw 8.30 Friday night on NBC. Everyone knew these were special spots.

00:54:41.000 That's how everyone got connected in these special Eight o'clock on Thursday, cheers and shit. 0.93

00:54:47.000 Everyone got, they were so connected, way more connected. 0.74

00:54:50.000 Now, people aren't on those, like the radio doesn't have that much power. 0.99

00:54:54.000 I never listen to fucking radio, ever. 0.99

00:54:56.000 I'm listening to like satellite radio and shit. 1.00

00:54:58.000 I never listen to radio. 0.97

00:54:59.000 Yeah.

00:54:59.000 Never.

00:55:00.000 It's always satellite.

00:55:00.000 So everyone is like less, more connected to their niche.

00:55:05.000 But there's shit that's huge out there like this. 0.98

00:55:08.000 I was driving down the street and I saw this billboard in downtown LA. It's King Daddy. 1.00

00:55:15.000 King Daddy's a white guy, or apparently he's Latin, but he looks like a white guy, like Vanilla Ice, and says King Daddy. 0.99

00:55:21.000 I thought it was like, are they filming a fucking movie, like some kind of parody movie here? 0.99

00:55:26.000 That's what I thought it was. 0.99

00:55:27.000 And then I looked and I go, this is the craziest thing, he's playing at the Staples, King Daddy, I've never heard of him. 0.98

00:55:32.000 I Wikipedia him, he's fucking huge! 1.00

00:55:35.000 Like, holy shit! 1.00

00:55:36.000 There's people that are huge, and because we're so disconnected with everybody, we're just connected more and more with the people that are like us, and then that's it. 0.99

00:55:45.000 Then we could shut everybody out.

00:55:46.000 We don't have to be all together.

00:55:47.000 But the old way, in that one way about NBC, CBS, and we all saw the news in 60 Minutes, we were, at some times, at those periods, we were all connected.

00:55:58.000 All of us, boom!

00:55:59.000 We were all like one. 1.00

00:56:00.000 We all knew the same shit. 0.99

00:56:02.000 But now, we're all on our own planet now. 1.00

00:56:05.000 It's so true. 0.84

00:56:06.000 I'll go to someone's Twitter page and they're a musician.

00:56:08.000 I'm like, who is this guy?

00:56:09.000 Five million Twitter followers. 1.00

00:56:11.000 I'm like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:56:12.000 I've never heard of this person. 1.00

00:56:13.000 You would know that guy because we would all be on those same channels.

00:56:16.000 Everybody would be on the same...

00:56:18.000 Now we're all...

00:56:18.000 We get our news from different places.

00:56:20.000 Do people still really watch the news on Fox News?

00:56:25.000 It's like...

00:56:26.000 There's a lot of people that do, though, man.

00:56:28.000 It's crazy.

00:56:28.000 There's not just a lot of people that do.

00:56:29.000 There's a lot of people that only follow right-wing news sources.

00:56:34.000 So they have a right-wing news idea.

00:56:37.000 And that's the only thing they talk about.

00:56:38.000 And so if they interact with something online, clearly you haven't been paying attention because that's been debunked.

00:56:43.000 You're like, okay, how's it been debunked?

00:56:45.000 And you'll go and, like, read how it's been debunked.

00:56:47.000 That hasn't been debunked at all.

00:56:48.000 Everything's been debunked.

00:56:49.000 There's a debunk for a debunk for a debunk for a debunk.

00:56:52.000 Everything, like, debunked.

00:56:54.000 It's really simple.

00:56:55.000 It's like, where you get...

00:56:56.000 It really is an info war, just like Alex Jones says.

00:57:00.000 It really is.

00:57:00.000 It isn't about this theory and then that theory and the official story.

00:57:05.000 Everyone goes to science.

00:57:07.000 But science, that is what people need to...

00:57:12.000 It's not just science.

00:57:14.000 It's unbiased science.

00:57:15.000 Ken, where's the science coming from?

00:57:18.000 Let's look at the science.

00:57:19.000 You're just reading something off the internet.

00:57:20.000 Where's that science come from?

00:57:22.000 So it really is information because it's so easy to brainwash people nowadays.

00:57:26.000 It's so easy.

00:57:27.000 The media is under control.

00:57:29.000 I think it's way harder. 0.99

00:57:30.000 I think it's way harder to get people to believe shit now than ever before. 0.98

00:57:33.000 It's way harder to control a narrative. 0.96

00:57:34.000 I think they're doing a brilliant job, man.

00:57:37.000 Who's that?

00:57:38.000 I mean, just like most people think that 9-11 wasn't an inside job.

00:57:43.000 Most people believe that Tower 7 fell because of fires because the government told them. 1.00

00:57:47.000 I mean, that's scary shit, man. 0.98

00:57:49.000 It is, but what if 9-11 wasn't an inside job? 0.99

00:57:52.000 I mean, spending all this time thinking it was.

00:57:54.000 What if it was just a bunch of incompetent people, a bunch of people that all...

00:57:58.000 I mean, the amount of people that had to be involved...

00:58:00.000 To make it a conspiracy would be pretty big, right? 1.00

00:58:02.000 Would it be more likely that there's a bunch of fucking idiots running the government, which we've always known are true, than to have this one mastermind stroke of genius? 1.00

00:58:10.000 No, not at all. 1.00

00:58:11.000 When you look at the evidence, I mean, when the 9-11 commissioner...

00:58:16.000 I feel like we shouldn't have gone down this road.

00:58:18.000 It's really simple.

00:58:19.000 When the 9-11 commissioner...

00:58:21.000 We have video, a bunch of different angles of Tower 7 coming down.

00:58:24.000 We have that video.

00:58:25.000 Tower 7 is unquestionably one of the hardest things to answer.

00:58:29.000 So you just got to just, like a detective, you got to look at it like a detective.

00:58:32.000 You got, okay, that building came down.

00:58:35.000 So the people want to know what happened at Tower 7. How come it looks like a demo?

00:58:39.000 It looks like it exploded.

00:58:41.000 It must be exploded.

00:58:42.000 That's the conspiracy theory.

00:58:43.000 What does the government say?

00:58:44.000 Nothing.

00:58:45.000 It's not in the 9-11 commission report.

00:58:47.000 They deny it.

00:58:48.000 They don't say anything.

00:58:49.000 They don't acknowledge it.

00:58:50.000 After public pressure of wanting to know if that was a controlled demo or not, we want a real investigation.

00:58:57.000 Finally, in 2008, NIST finally came out.

00:59:00.000 A government agency comes out and they ask him.

00:59:04.000 They go, what?

00:59:05.000 He gives a little presentation that Tower 7 was brought down because it got too hot.

00:59:09.000 And then he starts fielding questions and they said, why didn't you guys test for explosives?

00:59:15.000 This is what this is all about.

00:59:17.000 You know what he said the answer was?

00:59:18.000 There were no witnesses that said they heard explosions.

00:59:22.000 That was his answer.

00:59:23.000 And there's endless, endless video after video after video after video after video.

00:59:31.000 Firemen, policemen, witness after witness after witness after witness.

00:59:35.000 There's all on video.

00:59:38.000 And then the bombs went off.

00:59:40.000 And then the whole lobby was just bombs.

00:59:43.000 And then we turned around.

00:59:44.000 We were going down the elevator.

00:59:45.000 And the elevator blew up.

00:59:46.000 And everyone's saying bombs.

00:59:49.000 The newscasters are saying while they're there.

00:59:51.000 Everyone's saying bombs are going off everywhere. 1.00

00:59:53.000 They took all that shit. 1.00

00:59:55.000 And fucking buried it. 1.00

00:59:56.000 They were saying, there's all this... 0.99

00:59:58.000 They said, NIST, it's on video.

01:00:00.000 They're saying, we didn't have any...

01:00:02.000 They go, you didn't check for explosives?

01:00:03.000 They go, no, we didn't check for explosives.

01:00:05.000 There was no witnesses that said they heard explosions.

01:00:08.000 And there was a shitload.

01:00:11.000 I gotta repeat it.

01:00:12.000 You know, when you look at that, what does that tell you? 1.00

01:00:15.000 What it tells you is they're fucking gangsters, man. 1.00

01:00:18.000 They're fucking lying. 1.00

01:00:19.000 They're gangsters. 1.00

01:00:20.000 It's really simple.

01:00:21.000 It's possible they're gangsters. 1.00

01:00:23.000 It's also possible that they're retarded. 0.99

01:00:25.000 It's also possible that they're trying to figure out a way to explain something that they just did a really shitty job explaining in the past. 0.96

01:00:30.000 I'm not an architect.

01:00:32.000 I'm not an engineer.

01:00:34.000 I don't understand how buildings, what they need to stay up.

01:00:37.000 I don't understand what can bring them down.

01:00:38.000 When I look at that though, it looks like a controlled demolition.

01:00:41.000 It behaves exactly the same.

01:00:43.000 I've never heard of a building that falls apart like that and just breaks apart in free fall.

01:00:49.000 But What do I know?

01:00:51.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:00:52.000 There was apparently massive fires all throughout the building because there was some diesel fuel that they had in the basement, giant diesel tanks.

01:00:58.000 And if those things were on fire, and if the building was on fire in some sort of a crazy way where it weakened the whole thing, however unlikely, where uniformly once one part of it gave out, it just gave in.

01:01:09.000 They didn't test for explosives.

01:01:11.000 I understand that.

01:01:12.000 But what would disturb me about that scenario that I just said was, why didn't someone sue for that building falling apart? 0.97

01:01:20.000 Like, I would think that if that was my building, and my building just caved in when it caught on fire, I'd be like, let me show you fuckheads some videos of buildings that didn't cave in because they were a blaze, just on fire, like every fucking corner of the building is fire. 0.92

01:01:34.000 And this is just fire inside the building that fell apart. 0.98

01:01:37.000 I would sue. 0.99

01:01:38.000 It's all fucked up. 1.00

01:01:39.000 There's so much, it's so deep. 0.99

01:01:42.000 So what do you think happened?

01:01:43.000 What do you think happened if you believe this?

01:01:45.000 If you believe that this is a conspiracy to take down Tower 7?

01:01:48.000 Well, this is, I want to say this.

01:01:50.000 I always thought I was, I knew the 9-11 conspiracy quite well.

01:01:55.000 I kind of understood how it, you know, I could argue with people.

01:01:59.000 I thought I was a brown belt.

01:02:02.000 Oh my god.

01:02:03.000 I watched this documentary that I don't even know if it's out yet.

01:02:07.000 The dude who put it together, he sent it to me.

01:02:09.000 It's five hours long.

01:02:12.000 Five hours long.

01:02:13.000 I watched it twice already.

01:02:15.000 And it's all news clips.

01:02:17.000 And he's narrating through it. 0.98

01:02:19.000 He's got so much information about how it went fucking down. 0.96

01:02:23.000 Alex Jones is like a purple belt compared to this guy. 0.95

01:02:25.000 His name is Ryan Dawson.

01:02:27.000 And the documentary is The Empire Unmasked.

01:02:31.000 Unmasked.

01:02:31.000 I kiss unmasked.

01:02:32.000 The Empire Unmasked.

01:02:33.000 I can't even say unmasked. 1.00

01:02:35.000 But holy shit. 1.00

01:02:37.000 Shit. 1.00

01:02:38.000 It gets so fucking deep. 1.00

01:02:41.000 It's like watching a movie that was a book, watching the movie, and then watching it three times, and then going back and reading the book, and you're like, oh my god, there's so much shit. 0.99

01:02:53.000 There's such a backstory and there's all these different players and all this evidence that was... 0.82

01:02:58.000 Dude, there's no way anybody could watch that documentary and still think, and he's got all the evidence, dude.

01:03:03.000 He breaks it all down, dude.

01:03:05.000 There's so much.

01:03:06.000 There's so much.

01:03:07.000 One of my favorite things about 9-11 that never gets brought up was the press conference that Donald Rumsfeld had the day before the Pentagon got hit where he was talking about all the money that was missing.

01:03:17.000 It was like trillions of dollars, right?

01:03:19.000 Like trillions of dollars they couldn't account for.

01:03:21.000 And then the plane slams into the accounting department.

01:03:25.000 I mean, if we are living in a movie, this is an awesome movie.

01:03:29.000 I want to know if that is true.

01:03:30.000 Find out if the plane that hit the Pentagon hit the accounting department.

01:03:33.000 It did.

01:03:34.000 That's what everybody always says.

01:03:35.000 The Naval Intelligence Office, which was investigating a lot of these illegal securities.

01:03:40.000 It was all, dude, it was, according to this documentary, The Empire in Mass, in a nutshell.

01:03:46.000 In a nutshell.

01:03:48.000 Aliens.

01:03:50.000 Saudi Arabia...

01:03:51.000 First I want to say.

01:03:54.000 I love this country.

01:03:56.000 I love the United States.

01:03:57.000 It's Memorial Day.

01:03:58.000 How dare you, Eddie Bravo.

01:03:59.000 I'm just scared of the government.

01:04:01.000 That's all.

01:04:02.000 I love the country, but we have some...

01:04:04.000 In every government, people would agree that there's a criminal element in every government. 1.00

01:04:08.000 Everybody believes that there's crooks running shit, right? 0.99

01:04:11.000 So I'm not saying anything that crazy. 1.00

01:04:14.000 According to this documentary...

01:04:17.000 Dude, you've got to go way back like 100 years.

01:04:20.000 It's all tied together.

01:04:22.000 From the Banana Wars in the early 1900s, it's all about drug trade between controlling Central America. 0.91

01:04:30.000 First of all, before you go into any conspiracy theories, the one conspiracy theory that's real is the Iran-Contra conspiracy theory.

01:04:39.000 That's actually real.

01:04:40.000 It's out.

01:04:41.000 If you look into it, what was it?

01:04:44.000 George Bush Sr. got busted.

01:04:48.000 Him and Oliver North. 0.99

01:04:49.000 There was a few key people doing some shit that the rest of the government didn't know about. 0.98

01:04:54.000 That's a conspiracy theory. 0.99

01:04:55.000 They were running guns and drugs through Arkansas. 0.93

01:05:00.000 And Iran and Israel were all involved. 0.71

01:05:02.000 It's a big drug problem.

01:05:04.000 Arms ring.

01:05:05.000 That's all it is.

01:05:06.000 They're all making money off it.

01:05:08.000 The banana wars were all about the drugs. 1.00

01:05:11.000 The United States used to, with other countries, go in and fucking jack them and take their shit. 1.00

01:05:16.000 Then they realized it's easier if we just control the government. 1.00

01:05:21.000 We'll organize a coup. 1.00

01:05:24.000 And we'll pull our guy in and we'll just take that shit. 1.00

01:05:26.000 We don't need to fight them. 1.00

01:05:27.000 So they just pulled all the military out.

01:05:29.000 And they've been doing that.

01:05:30.000 It's all this Nicaragua, the Iran contract.

01:05:32.000 They got busted, but they've been doing it forever.

01:05:35.000 It's like a family business when you're at the top.

01:05:38.000 They got busted.

01:05:39.000 That's not a conspiracy theory.

01:05:40.000 They used to think it was a conspiracy theory in the 70s.

01:05:43.000 Everyone's got a conspiracy theory.

01:05:45.000 There's news reports.

01:05:45.000 People are like, it's crazy.

01:05:47.000 And then it comes out 10 years later.

01:05:48.000 They get busted. 0.99

01:05:50.000 Ronald Reagan says he didn't know shit. 1.00

01:05:52.000 He doesn't recall shit. 1.00

01:05:54.000 The vice president is George Sr. He's the ex-head of the CIA. He's running the whole fucking thing. 1.00

01:06:00.000 I'm well aware of the story. 1.00

01:06:01.000 They get busted.

01:06:02.000 We have to be careful.

01:06:03.000 No, but they get busted.

01:06:05.000 You gotta explain this.

01:06:06.000 It's right there in the early 80s. 0.99

01:06:08.000 The shit that happened from JFK and beyond. 0.99

01:06:11.000 JFK is connected to Iran Contra, which is connected to 9-11. 1.00

01:06:16.000 It's all the same fucking players. 0.99

01:06:18.000 It's all the same. 1.00

01:06:18.000 It's a big old drug cartel going on. 1.00

01:06:23.000 It's a corporate...

01:06:24.000 It's all about...

01:06:28.000 The mob sells the drugs that the government brings in.

01:06:32.000 They always had a mob relationship.

01:06:34.000 There's always been the government running drugs using the mob to make money for covert operations. 1.00

01:06:40.000 They've always done that shit. 1.00

01:06:42.000 That's the way they do it. 1.00

01:06:43.000 And everything that's happening in the Middle East...

01:06:46.000 That's all it is to America. 1.00

01:06:48.000 Israel, they want to fuck up. 1.00

01:06:50.000 They wanted to fuck up Iraq. 1.00

01:06:51.000 The criminal element. 0.99

01:06:52.000 They want.

01:06:53.000 But the United States are like, they need to control the poppy seeds. 1.00

01:06:56.000 So it was oil, drugs, the same shit. 1.00

01:06:58.000 They just needed a reason to get in there. 1.00

01:07:00.000 Everybody knows that we invaded Iraq because of 9-11.

01:07:03.000 But they're...

01:07:04.000 Now we know that there's zero connection. 1.00

01:07:07.000 That was all bullshit. 0.99

01:07:09.000 We know that's a fact. 1.00

01:07:10.000 That's not a conspiracy theory.

01:07:11.000 There was no weapons of mass destruction.

01:07:13.000 We just needed a reason to get in there.

01:07:15.000 Dude, there's documents that they talk about this.

01:07:18.000 These great PNAC, this group, like how are we going to take over and what is the best route to We need a reason to get into the Middle East and control.

01:07:29.000 We need a big event. 0.99

01:07:30.000 It's on fucking paper. 1.00

01:07:31.000 They don't even give a shit. 1.00

01:07:32.000 You ever see the video where General Wesley Clark starts talking about invading, like what's going to be done? 0.99

01:07:38.000 The timeline that's been laid out for the United States to invade all these other countries and take over.

01:07:44.000 Have you ever seen that?

01:07:44.000 I heard something about that.

01:07:46.000 You never seen the video?

01:07:47.000 No.

01:07:47.000 What is it?

01:07:48.000 You should watch it, because it's pretty fascinating.

01:07:49.000 What's it called?

01:07:50.000 General Wesley Clark, who's a guy who ran for president.

01:07:53.000 I think he ran for president in 2004?

01:07:55.000 Yeah.

01:07:56.000 When did he run for president?

01:07:59.000 2008, maybe?

01:08:00.000 Maybe 2008. Whenever it was that he ran for president.

01:08:04.000 He was a...

01:08:05.000 Four?

01:08:05.000 He was a just decorated general and a patriot, a war hero, a guy who was really well-respected.

01:08:14.000 And I believe it was on Charlie Rose.

01:08:16.000 And he laid out the government's plan.

01:08:20.000 You would be fascinated by this.

01:08:23.000 I'll play it for you.

01:08:24.000 Sounds like Agenda 21, maybe?

01:08:27.000 He's explaining what he was privy to as a four-star general or whatever he was.

01:08:34.000 And in this video, for people to listen to this going, this is all crazy conspiracy talk.

01:08:39.000 When you hear a guy like Wesley Clark...

01:08:42.000 Presidential candidate, very decorated, very well-respected general, saying these things.

01:08:48.000 Listen to what he says.

01:08:49.000 Got it?

01:08:50.000 Listen to us.

01:08:51.000 About 10 days after 9-11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz.

01:08:59.000 I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff.

01:09:03.000 We've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq. 1.00

01:09:07.000 This was on Urbani.

01:09:08.000 He said, sir, you got to come in and talk to me a second.

01:09:11.000 I said, September.

01:09:13.000 I said, we're going to war with Iraq. 1.00

01:09:14.000 Why?

01:09:16.000 He said, I don't know.

01:09:20.000 He said, I guess they don't know what else to do.

01:09:23.000 So, I said, well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?

01:09:28.000 He said, no, no.

01:09:30.000 He said, there's nothing new that way.

01:09:32.000 They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.

01:09:35.000 He said, I guess it's like, we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take a nail.

01:09:43.000 So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan.

01:09:49.000 I said, are we still going to war with Iraq?

01:09:51.000 And he said, oh, it's worse than that.

01:09:52.000 He said, down governments.

01:09:54.000 And he said, I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer every problem.

01:09:58.000 He reached over on his desk.

01:09:59.000 He picked up a piece of paper.

01:10:00.000 He said, I just got this down from upstairs, meeting the Secretary of Defense's office today.

01:10:05.000 And he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries In five years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran. 0.86

01:10:19.000 Come on, man.

01:10:20.000 Now, this is the scariest part of this.

01:10:23.000 This is the scariest.

01:10:24.000 You want to keep it going?

01:10:25.000 Had there been no oil there, it would be like Africa. 1.00

01:10:30.000 Nobody is threatening to intervene in Africa.

01:10:34.000 The problem is the opposite.

01:10:36.000 We keep asking for people to intervene and stop it.

01:10:39.000 And there's no question that the presence of petroleum throughout the region has sparked great power involvement.

01:10:47.000 Whether that was the specific motivation for the coup or not, I can't tell you.

01:10:51.000 But there's always been this attitude that somehow we could intervene and use force in the region.

01:10:58.000 Boom.

01:10:59.000 Yeah, the scariest thing is you could watch something like this, and like a skeptic who doesn't believe in any conspiracy, you could watch this, they'll watch it, and something like they've been programmed, like they've been hypnotized, like no matter what, obey the official story.

01:11:14.000 Do you see that video that was just about to come up?

01:11:16.000 Major Smedley Butler?

01:11:18.000 Check that out.

01:11:19.000 The video that was about to come up was the letter that Major Smedley Butler wrote in like 1930-something.

01:11:28.000 And he was another famous war hero who wrote a letter realizing when he was leaving the military that war is a racket.

01:11:37.000 Major General Smedley Butler and the fascist takeover of the USA. Does it play anything?

01:11:46.000 You can roughly locate any community somewhere along a scale running all the way from democracy to despotism.

01:11:57.000 This man makes it his job to study these things.

01:12:01.000 Well, for one thing, avoid the comfortable idea that the mere form of government can of itself safeguard a nation against despotism.

01:12:13.000 For big business, despotism was often a useful tool for securing foreign markets and pursuing profits.

01:12:20.000 One of the US Marine Corps' most highly decorated generals, Smedley Darlington Butler, by his own account, helped pacify Mexico for American oil companies, Haiti and Cuba for National City Bank.

01:12:33.000 Nicaragua for the Brown Brothers brokerage, the Dominican Republic for sugar interests, Honduras for U.S. fruit companies, and China for Standard Oil.

01:12:46.000 General Butler's services were also in demand in the United States itself in the 1930s, as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt sought to relieve the misery of the Depression through public enterprise and tougher regulations on corporate exploitation and misdeeds.

01:13:02.000 More power to you, President Roosevelt.

01:13:05.000 The entire country's behind you, thrilled with hope and patriotism.

01:13:09.000 But the country was not entirely behind the populist president.

01:13:13.000 Large parts of the corporate elite despised what Roosevelt's New Deal stood for.

01:13:18.000 And so, in 1934, a group of conspirators sought to involve General Butler in a treasonous plan.

01:13:25.000 The plan, as outlined to me, was to form an organization of veterans.

01:13:29.000 To use as a bluff, or as a club at least, to intimidate the government.

01:13:34.000 But the corporate cabal had picked the wrong man.

01:13:37.000 Butler was fed up with being what he called a gangster for capitalism.

01:13:46.000 I appeared before the Congressional Committee, the highest representation of the American people under subpoena, to tell what I knew of activities, which I believe might lead to an attempt to set up a fascist dictatorship.

01:14:00.000 The upshot of the whole thing was that I was supposed to lead an organization of 500,000 men, which would be able to take over the functions of government.

01:14:09.000 How crazy is that?

01:14:10.000 A congressional committee ultimately found evidence of a plot to overthrow Roosevelt.

01:14:15.000 According to Butler, the conspiracy included representatives of some of America's top corporations, including C.P. Morgan, DuPont, and Goodyear Tyre.

01:14:30.000 As today's chairman of Goodyear Tyre knows, for corporations to dominate government, a coup is no longer necessary.

01:14:38.000 Corporations have gone global.

01:14:41.000 And by going global, the governments have lost some control over corporations, regardless of whether the corporation can be trusted or cannot be trusted.

01:14:51.000 Governments today do not have, over the corporations, the power that they had and the leverage that they had 50 or 60 years ago.

01:15:01.000 And that's a major change.

01:15:03.000 So governments have become powerless compared to where they were before.

01:15:08.000 Capitalism today Okay.

01:15:37.000 Well, that's pretty much proven what you're saying.

01:15:41.000 I mean, when you look at that, you look at Iran-Contra, and this is the scariest part, is you know how a certain amount of people can be hypnotized? 1.00

01:15:51.000 You know, you go to a hypnotist's show, the guy before the show starts, he does a couple tests, and he goes, I got that idiot, and I got that motherfucker. 1.00

01:15:58.000 All you others sit down. 1.00

01:15:59.000 He knows.

01:15:59.000 He can figure it out.

01:16:00.000 That's not like conspiracy theory, right?

01:16:03.000 That's pretty crazy that he knows that there's a few people that he can hypnotize and there's others that he can't. 0.99

01:16:08.000 So then he makes them do weird shit. 0.96

01:16:11.000 Is hypnotism real? 0.99

01:16:12.000 Can people be hypnotized?

01:16:14.000 Is it real that you can hypnotize someone, wake them up, they appear to be woken up, and when they hear you say a certain word, they react a certain way?

01:16:22.000 Is that real?

01:16:23.000 I think it's real.

01:16:23.000 Is that real?

01:16:24.000 With some people, if they get good enough at it, I've seen documentaries, but maybe they're hoaxes.

01:16:30.000 I don't know.

01:16:30.000 I don't know if they're real.

01:16:31.000 I'm pretty sure...

01:16:32.000 Well, I've been hypnotized, and hypnotism is real.

01:16:35.000 Okay.

01:16:35.000 So it is real.

01:16:36.000 It puts you...

01:16:37.000 Well, it's not...

01:16:38.000 At least with me, what the guy was trying to do was not what I think would be done if someone was trying to get you to do something like that.

01:16:46.000 But if it's...

01:16:47.000 If...

01:16:48.000 Is it possible to hypnotize someone in their own, whatever way, whatever way works, and tell them when you wake up, when you hear the bell, you're going to react a certain way or you're going to think a certain way?

01:17:01.000 Yes.

01:17:02.000 And so that person could be totally awake at work and then you could say something and they react a certain way.

01:17:08.000 Is that real?

01:17:08.000 That I'm not sure of.

01:17:09.000 It appears that- I think that's given a lot of time from the hypnosis event.

01:17:14.000 Oh no, not at work.

01:17:15.000 I don't know if it works at work, but I don't know why I said at work, but I'm just saying if it worked, who knows?

01:17:20.000 Maybe it's supposed to wear off after five minutes or ten minutes.

01:17:23.000 When does it wear off?

01:17:24.000 Well, you change states.

01:17:25.000 If you're in a state of anger or a state of depression, there's a state that you achieve when you get hypnotized.

01:17:31.000 Even though you're aware of it, you're awake.

01:17:33.000 If it's possible.

01:17:34.000 Let me just explain what it feels like.

01:17:35.000 It felt like I was on drugs.

01:17:38.000 I went to some weird K-hole or something like that.

01:17:42.000 It was very strange.

01:17:43.000 It felt very almost, I want to say out of body, but inner body.

01:17:47.000 But I was awake.

01:17:49.000 I was never asleep.

01:17:50.000 But if anything crazy happened, like an alarm went off, I would have got right up.

01:17:56.000 I would have been fine.

01:17:58.000 In that state, like someone can talk you into that state and you put yourself, you willingly allow yourself to get into that state.

01:18:05.000 That's, for me, in this situation, if it was a different situation and it was a more gullible person or more easily led person, and then the hypnosis professional was like more into doing that, more into...

01:18:20.000 Hypnosis, Joe.

01:18:20.000 Hypnosis professional, it's not...

01:18:23.000 Hypnotist, okay.

01:18:24.000 If that guy was more into getting you to remember a certain noise or a certain sound, and when you heard that sound, you're going to associate with something.

01:18:32.000 Yeah, something.

01:18:33.000 I think that's possible.

01:18:34.000 Okay, so let's assume that's real and it probably is.

01:18:36.000 It might be all hoaxes, but I've seen documentaries.

01:18:39.000 I don't know for sure.

01:18:40.000 It's a documentary.

01:18:41.000 I don't think it is a hoax.

01:18:42.000 So let's just assume it's real.

01:18:44.000 If that's real, then you can say that a certain percent of the population It can be hypnotized, right?

01:18:55.000 Just like that.

01:18:56.000 Not everybody, but a certain...

01:18:57.000 What is that percentage?

01:18:58.000 Let's just say...

01:18:59.000 Let's just guess and say, what if it's 30% of the population has hypnotism abilities?

01:19:05.000 It might be everyone if you allow yourself to.

01:19:08.000 Yes.

01:19:08.000 It might be everyone.

01:19:09.000 Exactly.

01:19:09.000 It might be.

01:19:10.000 Let's just say 30%.

01:19:12.000 Let's say 60, 40, whatever.

01:19:14.000 Then that...

01:19:15.000 If those documentaries that we're talking about is true, if it is real that you could do that, then can you...

01:19:24.000 The people that can be hypnotized, like 30% of them, can you program something on TV, whether it's in the news or whatever, something...

01:19:31.000 Are they doing something to handle those people and get them to only believe in what they see on TV? You don't have to do it like that.

01:19:39.000 You don't have to do it with...

01:19:40.000 Would that be possible?

01:19:41.000 Yeah, but you wouldn't do it that way.

01:19:42.000 No, you'd have to sit down with those people and actually hypnotize them.

01:19:46.000 You'd have to get them into that state.

01:19:47.000 You have to know what kind of state they're in when you're bringing these suggestions into their mind.

01:19:51.000 Sometimes I'm watching TV and I'm hypnotized. 1.00

01:19:53.000 I'm watching narco high as fuck. 0.99

01:19:55.000 Yeah, but that's different. 1.00

01:19:58.000 I don't think the government is trying to hypnotize you through narcos.

01:20:01.000 This is all I'm saying.

01:20:02.000 You don't believe that, do you?

01:20:03.000 What?

01:20:03.000 The government's trying to hypnotize you through Netflix?

01:20:06.000 Probably.

01:20:07.000 I believe that.

01:20:09.000 I don't think Netflix is in cahoot to the government.

01:20:11.000 I've had meetings with them.

01:20:12.000 They seem like normal people. 0.98

01:20:16.000 But my point is, this is just my wild conspiracy theory that, I mean, an answer, an attempt to answer the question, why you can show someone film like that, like what you just, like, film like that, and there's five hours of shit like that. 0.98

01:20:31.000 Okay. 0.98

01:20:31.000 The Empire in Mass is five hours of shit like that. 0.98

01:20:34.000 Okay. 1.00

01:20:34.000 Ow. 1.00

01:20:34.000 What? 1.00

01:20:35.000 Just...

01:20:36.000 People can see it, they can see the build Tower 7 go boom, but they're gonna believe the government.

01:20:42.000 Look, I keep saying this about Tower 7. Tower 7 looks to me like an implosion, looks to me like a demolition, but I don't know shit. 0.97

01:20:50.000 I don't know shit. 1.00

01:20:52.000 If there was a giant fire inside that building that caused the building to fail and it collapsed like that, and I'm talking all this crazy shit, I know they blew it up, I know they used bombs, then I'm an idiot. 1.00

01:21:01.000 And so if I'm saying I know one way or the other, it's kind of crazy. 0.99

01:21:05.000 You can't really say it.

01:21:06.000 I don't have enough information.

01:21:08.000 But you gotta have, based on what you see, your opinion.

01:21:11.000 You know what I mean?

01:21:12.000 Of course, no one knows for sure.

01:21:14.000 That's not my opinion.

01:21:15.000 My opinion is it looks like a controlled demolition.

01:21:18.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:21:18.000 Now, look, if you see a submission, okay, and you know it's a dogshit submission and the guy taps out, you go, well, that guy quit. 0.99

01:21:25.000 Well, you'll know that guy quit because you'll know that that's not a good submission because you're an expert in submissions. 0.54

01:21:30.000 When I see a building collapse like that, I'll say, yeah, it looks like a controlled demolition because that's what it looks like.

01:21:36.000 But that doesn't mean it's a controlled demolition.

01:21:38.000 It could easily have been...

01:21:39.000 A crazy fire that caused a catastrophic failure of the structure of that building. 0.97

01:21:43.000 And I don't know jack shit about structures of buildings. 0.94

01:21:46.000 So I can't say that. 0.97

01:21:47.000 Nobody is saying that you do.

01:21:50.000 And no one is saying that you, based on what you're, like a juror isn't an expert in all this forensics, you're going on what the experts say.

01:21:57.000 You're not going on, the juror's not going to go, well, I don't know if he killed him.

01:22:01.000 I wasn't actually there.

01:22:02.000 So I don't know.

01:22:02.000 There's all this evidence.

01:22:03.000 The juror has, based on the evidence, you have to, you know, it's... 0.99

01:22:07.000 It's okay to say, based on all the gangster shit that's going on, they don't say shit for seven years. 0.99

01:22:14.000 A detective would go, wait a minute. 0.99

01:22:15.000 Let's get away from that.

01:22:16.000 Here's what's interesting about that building.

01:22:19.000 Here's one of the things that makes this theory more fascinating.

01:22:22.000 And this is a fact.

01:22:23.000 They had offices inside that building of the NSA. I think it was the CIA. Find out what offices were inside Tower 7. Because it was a crazy building.

01:22:34.000 It wasn't just like a regular building. 1.00

01:22:36.000 That building had some really nutty shit stored in it. 1.00

01:22:40.000 Some crazy information in offices. 1.00

01:22:43.000 It wasn't like, oh my god, they crushed the Prudential building.

01:22:47.000 We lost all this insurance policy numbers and data.

01:22:51.000 Nope.

01:22:51.000 No, it wasn't that.

01:22:52.000 No, it was way nuttier than that. 1.00

01:22:54.000 It was like really intense foreign policy shit, intense financial shit. 1.00

01:22:59.000 It was like there's some crazy offices inside there. 0.99

01:23:02.000 What do you got there, Jamie?

01:23:03.000 Here we go.

01:23:04.000 Look at what was in Building 7. This is fucking fascinating. 0.99

01:23:09.000 Can you imagine? 0.98

01:23:10.000 Salmon, Smith& Barney, which is a financial company, Internal Revenue Service, Regional Council, U.S. Secret Service, American Express Bank International, Standard Chartered Bank, Provident Financial Management, Hartford Insurance Group.

01:23:27.000 First State Management Group, Federal Loan Bank, a lot of banks, but here it goes NAIC Securities.

01:23:33.000 Securities and Exchange Commission, that's when it gets really crazy.

01:23:36.000 Security and Exchange Commission, that's the mother load of money right there.

01:23:43.000 New York City Office of Emergency Management.

01:23:45.000 What would a decent detective think based on all this?

01:23:49.000 We'd go, no, they couldn't do it. 0.98

01:23:51.000 You would look at that and you'd go, wow, it's convenient that that building collapsed because it seems like there's a lot of fucking tenants in there that probably had a lot of crazy information. 0.89

01:24:01.000 The Secret Service, the Security Exchange Commission, and the Office of Emergency Management. 0.95

01:24:07.000 That's a lot of, and then all those banks. 1.00

01:24:10.000 It's just high-level gangster shit. 1.00

01:24:11.000 Really, really important shit. 1.00

01:24:13.000 High-level gangster shit. 1.00

01:24:14.000 Who knows? 1.00

01:24:14.000 I thought it was the CIA. I thought the CIA was in there as well. 1.00

01:24:17.000 A small office at the CIA. Is that what it was?

01:24:20.000 Eddie Bravo.

01:24:20.000 He's a conspiracy theorist.

01:24:21.000 He knows.

01:24:22.000 I'm just a blue belt compared to Rye Dawson.

01:24:24.000 That guy breaks it all off.

01:24:24.000 Well, there's a lot of people that have spent their whole life looking at it.

01:24:28.000 If it is what we said, or what I said, rather, a catastrophic failure of a structure based on... 0.99

01:24:33.000 That's horseshit. 0.99

01:24:35.000 You know that's horseshit. 0.99

01:24:36.000 If that is, what a convenient building to collapse. 1.00

01:24:40.000 It seems like those offices would have a lot of really crazy shit in them. 0.98

01:24:43.000 And if a decent detective found out that, oh, it looks like over 2,000 architects risking their license, risking their credibility, is going to go against the government? 0.99

01:24:55.000 Right, right, right.

01:24:55.000 2,000 architects and engineers for truth, is that what you're talking about?

01:24:59.000 They have the balls to do it. 0.81

01:25:00.000 Everyone else is like, most people don't want any trouble. 0.93

01:25:03.000 What I want to know is how many architects disagree with them and who's the better architect.

01:25:09.000 Where's the video?

01:25:09.000 Show me.

01:25:10.000 But that's what I don't know. 0.99

01:25:11.000 They don't have the balls because it's obvious. 1.00

01:25:13.000 We're talking about obvious shit. 1.00

01:25:14.000 I know you have to stay on the fence. 1.00

01:25:17.000 I know this.

01:25:18.000 No, dude, I have to.

01:25:20.000 I stay on the fence because this is how I try to think.

01:25:22.000 Yeah.

01:25:23.000 But you've got to look at the evidence.

01:25:24.000 You've got to look at the evidence.

01:25:26.000 I'm looking at it.

01:25:26.000 It takes them seven years to come out with a report, and then they don't test for explosives?

01:25:31.000 I thought that when we were looking at that report, I thought we were going to see the CIA in there.

01:25:36.000 It's less impressive with what we did have in there.

01:25:40.000 Maybe that's not everything.

01:25:42.000 Very well could be.

01:25:43.000 I don't know if they would rig a building like that with explosives when they were building it in the possibility that something went wrong and they had to destroy evidence.

01:25:52.000 No.

01:25:53.000 No, but that could be possible.

01:25:53.000 No one has even said that.

01:25:55.000 You can't even bring that up because that has never been brought up.

01:25:58.000 But wait a minute.

01:25:59.000 That's what happened.

01:26:00.000 If the building exploded, okay?

01:26:02.000 If you do believe that the building was a controlled demolition, then someone rigged it.

01:26:07.000 So the idea is, if they knew that these people were going to be in this building, they knew this building was going to be a high-security building, they could have rigged it with explosives when they were constructing it to make sure that in the event the building was taken.

01:26:19.000 Why do you say that didn't happen?

01:26:21.000 Because when did it get detonated?

01:26:23.000 When did it get fitted?

01:26:25.000 When did it get fitted with those explosives?

01:26:27.000 Which takes weeks.

01:26:28.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:26:29.000 What I'm saying is, it's not my idea either.

01:26:33.000 There's many people that are speculating that when the building was actually constructed, they constructed it with this possibility.

01:26:38.000 They made it.

01:26:39.000 Why are you saying no?

01:26:40.000 No.

01:26:40.000 Why do you say no?

01:26:41.000 When you look at the whole story, I'm only bringing up Tower 7, but there's a million pieces to the story.

01:26:46.000 When you put all the pieces together, you're like, that's just one part of it.

01:26:50.000 Why are you convinced that that's how the building I brought down?

01:26:52.000 What does this say?

01:26:53.000 The Department of Defense and Central Intelligence Agency.

01:26:56.000 Okay, yeah.

01:26:57.000 They shared the 25th floor with the IRS. Okay, yeah.

01:27:00.000 That's it.

01:27:00.000 You want me to explain?

01:27:01.000 Hold on.

01:27:02.000 We're just reading the facts.

01:27:03.000 So the Department of Defense and the Central Intelligence Agency were there on the 25th floor with the IRS. Floors 46 through 47 were mechanical floors, as were the bottom floors and part of the seventh floor.

01:27:15.000 Okay. 0.98

01:27:17.000 And that could all be bullshit. 0.98

01:27:18.000 Who knows? 1.00

01:27:19.000 That could just be someone just fucking around. 1.00

01:27:21.000 That's Wikipedia, bro. 0.99

01:27:22.000 That is locked.

01:27:23.000 Where did that come from?

01:27:25.000 That is locked down and tight.

01:27:27.000 But why would you think that it's impossible for them to rig the building with explosives when they constructed it?

01:27:32.000 Because it's impossible because they didn't say anything for seven years.

01:27:40.000 After public pressure, they were forced to put a scientist out there in front of these reporters to finally give a reason, and they said it was because of fires.

01:27:49.000 I understand.

01:27:50.000 And they gasped, why didn't you check for explosives?

01:27:54.000 This is what it was all about.

01:27:56.000 You said this three times earlier.

01:27:56.000 But you asked the question again.

01:27:57.000 I get it, I get it, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.

01:28:00.000 I'm just looking at the evidence.

01:28:01.000 But that's not even the evidence.

01:28:02.000 It doesn't mean that it's impossible.

01:28:04.000 If it was a controlled demolition, let's get crazy.

01:28:06.000 An alien could have blew it up, and that's not impossible. 0.95

01:28:09.000 Let's say, let's look at it and say it's a controlled demolition.

01:28:12.000 Let's say, it looks like a controlled demolition.

01:28:14.000 Let's assume it is.

01:28:15.000 How did the bombs get into the building?

01:28:17.000 How did they put them in?

01:28:19.000 Why is it impossible...

01:28:20.000 If you look in...

01:28:21.000 Wait, are you asking me a question?

01:28:23.000 But why is it impossible that they put those bombs in it when they were building it?

01:28:28.000 In the case, or when the Secret Service took over, or when whoever made the tenant, maybe they installed the bombs to make sure, in an event that something happened...

01:28:37.000 Like, in 96, I believe it was 96, the World Trade Center towers, they blew them up in the basement, remember?

01:28:43.000 They had a car bomb that went off in the basement and they thought they were going to take the tower down.

01:28:47.000 If these people thought that put this building in place, or that took over this building, the CIA, the NSA, whoever the fuck it was, if they knew that they had some really important secure information there, It's very possible they could have said, okay, in the event that someone does blow up the World Trade Center, 0.77

01:29:04.000 like in 96, because it's already happened before, and a catastrophic failure, we can demolish this building. 0.67

01:29:11.000 Hey, if you want to...

01:29:14.000 If you want to lean towards that theory, that's fine too.

01:29:18.000 I'm not trying to change anybody's mind.

01:29:19.000 I'm not leaning towards anything, but why are you saying that that's impossible?

01:29:21.000 Anything's possible.

01:29:22.000 I wasn't there, you weren't there, but we're going based on what we know.

01:29:25.000 Jurors, like if this was a jury.

01:29:28.000 What do we know?

01:29:29.000 We're not looking for God's truth.

01:29:31.000 We're looking like a jury, like a detective.

01:29:33.000 How would they handle the truth?

01:29:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:29:35.000 If everybody was legit, you got to look at it like that.

01:29:38.000 What do you think happened?

01:29:39.000 If you think it was a controlled demolition, how do you think the bombs got in the building?

01:29:42.000 It's so deep.

01:29:44.000 It's so deep and so long.

01:29:46.000 Like I said, you put all that 9-11 information.

01:29:48.000 Forget about the Pentagon.

01:29:50.000 This five-hour documentary has nothing to do with the Pentagon.

01:29:53.000 It's like so much info, just like that video you showed.

01:29:55.000 Five hours of that...

01:29:57.000 Crushing evidence.

01:29:58.000 When you look at that as a Jew or as a detective, you're like, of course it was an inside job. 0.99

01:30:03.000 In that documentary, they lay out the countries that have always done shit like this. 0.99

01:30:07.000 They've always done it. 0.98

01:30:08.000 They got busted in an Iran contract.

01:30:10.000 But let's not get off course here.

01:30:11.000 I still want to find out your thinking on Building 7. Because you're convinced that Building 7 was a demolition, right?

01:30:17.000 As a juror, it's a demolition based on all the testimony.

01:30:20.000 How do you think they set it up for demolition?

01:30:22.000 Well, there's evidence.

01:30:25.000 If you're watching this documentary, there's so much information.

01:30:28.000 But there's evidence of them constantly doing work and fake-ass workers working on the elevator shafts.

01:30:35.000 There's all this evidence of that.

01:30:38.000 It's so deep.

01:30:39.000 I don't want to...

01:30:40.000 I don't remember the names of the guys or anything like that.

01:30:43.000 So you think all these people that were working there, they just set that building up to blow up?

01:30:47.000 Yeah, they took time and they just had fake...

01:30:49.000 It's a fact that the elevator was always broken and there was always people...

01:30:54.000 Like the month before, there's all these fake passes and there's a lot of evidence.

01:30:58.000 There's five hours. 1.00

01:30:59.000 You're going to go, shit. 1.00

01:31:00.000 There's reports. 1.00

01:31:01.000 I love this kind of time.

01:31:02.000 Bravo.

01:31:02.000 Yeah.

01:31:03.000 Yeah.

01:31:03.000 Yeah, but you know what?

01:31:04.000 I'm so obsessed with those details.

01:31:08.000 I don't know why, but we're living in a world post 9-11 that's... 0.98

01:31:12.000 We're living in a crazy world where people are fucking dying in the Middle East and getting blown up and getting murdered and kids and stuff like that. 0.99

01:31:19.000 That's going on. 0.99

01:31:20.000 I just can't.

01:31:21.000 I need to find out why they're doing it.

01:31:23.000 Like, what's going on?

01:31:24.000 I'm obsessed with...

01:31:25.000 How is this racket?

01:31:27.000 How do they operate?

01:31:28.000 I want to know the truth.

01:31:29.000 And when you know the truth, it's just like... 1.00

01:31:31.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:31:32.000 You just want to tell as many people as possible. 1.00

01:31:35.000 Look, George Bush, a singer, gets busted on national TV with the Iran-Contra situation.

01:31:44.000 He becomes president after that. 0.99

01:31:47.000 And then he's running all his shit and all his drugs in his arms through Arkansas with an unknown governor, Bill Clinton, who's letting it happen. 0.99

01:31:57.000 And then he becomes president after... 0.99

01:32:00.000 George Bush as a detective?

01:32:02.000 I don't know the truth.

01:32:03.000 I wasn't there.

01:32:03.000 I don't know what their relationship is like.

01:32:05.000 You sound like Columbo. 0.99

01:32:05.000 I'm like, that's some gangster shit going on right there. 0.99

01:32:10.000 And they're just playing with the public and all the dumb motherfuckers who believe that there's this Republican-Democrat battle going on. 1.00

01:32:18.000 You know, it's fascinating and frustrating at the same time and very scary that, man, we're living with people that just follow the official story and whatever they say, that's the truth. 0.99

01:32:30.000 And all the other shit that's not the official story, that's crazy.

01:32:34.000 There's a lot of people that do really love to buy the official story and they love to argue it. 0.97

01:32:38.000 They love to argue the official story about everything. 0.99

01:32:41.000 Yeah, the scary thing is the people, when you ask anybody, they'll say, yeah, the government's fucked up. 0.98

01:32:47.000 Yeah, the government, you can't trust the government. 0.98

01:32:50.000 Everybody will say that.

01:32:51.000 No one's ever said, you can totally trust the government.

01:32:54.000 I trust the government.

01:32:55.000 No one ever says that.

01:32:56.000 Ever! 1.00

01:32:57.000 Everyone says, I fucked the government, bunch of crooks. 0.99

01:33:00.000 But when they get busted and there's all this evidence and all this shit going down and so crystal clear, can you imagine if the video of Tower 7 was not available until 10 years later? 0.99

01:33:13.000 That would be the craziest fucking conspiracy theory that nobody would get behind. 0.95

01:33:19.000 Nobody would waste their time. 0.99

01:33:21.000 That building goes down.

01:33:21.000 There's no video of it.

01:33:23.000 There's going to be people that were there going, dude!

01:33:25.000 It's crazy.

01:33:26.000 Tower 7 just fell down like it was controlled demo. 1.00

01:33:30.000 People go, you crazy motherfucker. 1.00

01:33:31.000 Where's the video? 1.00

01:33:32.000 Where's the video?

01:33:33.000 Where's the video?

01:33:34.000 That's all they would say.

01:33:35.000 That's what happened with the Kennedy assassination.

01:33:37.000 Exactly.

01:33:37.000 That was 10 years later.

01:33:38.000 Can you imagine if there was no video?

01:33:41.000 Because of all the angles that came out right away, right away we had all that footage.

01:33:46.000 It's almost like...

01:33:48.000 Like, that was good for the people that were behind this.

01:33:51.000 Like, it was beautiful because you could see that on YouTube and it has millions of views, but people will go, well, the government said it was fires, so I believe it's fires.

01:33:59.000 Hmm.

01:33:59.000 You know, and you're watching it.

01:34:01.000 You're watching it go down.

01:34:02.000 Bunch of different angles, but I'm going to go with the government on this one.

01:34:05.000 Government for 200. You know, that's scary.

01:34:09.000 That kind of mentality is what I'm scared of.

01:34:11.000 I'm scared of conspiracy theories.

01:34:13.000 That's what I'm scared of. 1.00

01:34:15.000 Enough of that shit. 1.00

01:34:16.000 Light this fucking joint back on. 1.00

01:34:19.000 Conspiracy theories killing my brain. 1.00

01:34:21.000 I gotta go to Australia, bro. 1.00

01:34:22.000 I can't handle that shit. 1.00

01:34:24.000 Crazy shit, man. 1.00

01:34:27.000 Maybe I should just say, shut the fuck up about it and just close my fucking eyes, just look straight. 1.00

01:34:33.000 Sometimes I think about that. 1.00

01:34:34.000 Is that better?

01:34:35.000 I wonder how long, if there really is some crazy global cabal going on that's ripping off the world, how much longer do they keep going with this in these days of Edward Snowden?

01:34:46.000 You know what?

01:34:46.000 There's hope.

01:34:48.000 When you find out exactly how the racket works, the global racket works, when you look into it with an open mind, We just went right back into it.

01:34:59.000 I thought we were going to get out of it.

01:35:01.000 I don't even know what I was going to say.

01:35:03.000 Perfect.

01:35:04.000 What were we even talking about?

01:35:05.000 Global cabal.

01:35:06.000 Look how it works.

01:35:07.000 If you look at how it works.

01:35:09.000 Man, I totally forgot.

01:35:12.000 I told you.

01:35:12.000 Global Cabal.

01:35:13.000 Let's figure this out.

01:35:14.000 Global Cabal.

01:35:15.000 What else?

01:35:16.000 I'm going to go with Tower 7, Chemtrail, Black Helicopter, CIA, George Bush, Barry Mina.

01:35:22.000 I remember now.

01:35:23.000 I remember. 0.99

01:35:24.000 When you look at it, how it all goes down, bit by bit, how it all goes down, it's like fucking nuts. 0.99

01:35:30.000 It's nuts. 0.99

01:35:31.000 And I think, there's no way...

01:35:34.000 We could ever regain control of the media because that's where all the power is.

01:35:38.000 It all comes down to the media. 1.00

01:35:40.000 Who controls that shit? 1.00

01:35:43.000 Do we ever have control? 1.00

01:35:44.000 We've got to go to alternative media for the truth, but then no one believes that. 1.00

01:35:47.000 Everyone believes the shit that the government gives us, the PR pro fucking propaganda machine from the Pentagon. 0.99

01:35:53.000 Everyone believes that. 1.00

01:35:54.000 They don't believe the alternative media because, oh, you know what?

01:35:57.000 It looks like it was low budget because look at the kind of film and the lighting they use.

01:36:00.000 I don't believe that.

01:36:01.000 That looks like they're in their garage. 1.00

01:36:02.000 I want to believe this shit on Fox. 1.00

01:36:04.000 That's how people think. 1.00

01:36:05.000 They might not say that, but that's what's going on because that's what people believe most of people think.

01:36:09.000 As the news does a shittier and shittier job of covering events in detail, I think people are leaning more and more towards alternative sources.

01:36:16.000 Yes, yes.

01:36:16.000 It's like The Guardian.

01:36:17.000 When they released all those Ed Snowden documents, they weren't the only ones who were offered that.

01:36:22.000 Yeah.

01:36:23.000 It's just they got lucky. 0.62

01:36:24.000 They found a guy in Glenn Greenwald that wanted to put his balls out there and do it. 0.66

01:36:29.000 And then they go after whistleblowers, man.

01:36:32.000 John Stockwell is a former CIA agent, wrote a couple books.

01:36:35.000 The CIA took control of the royalties of his books, because you can't be talking about this stuff.

01:36:39.000 So he's not making money off the books. 1.00

01:36:40.000 The CIA, they just took control of his shit. 0.99

01:36:42.000 John Stockwell, he was a CIA agent for 13 years. 1.00

01:36:46.000 Most of the people in the CIA, they come in to fight communism.

01:36:49.000 They're trying to help the world.

01:36:50.000 They're trying to help the United States.

01:36:52.000 It's the criminal element.

01:36:54.000 There's a few key players, the guys with all the power at the top, the craziest guys at the top, and a lot of guys in the CIA have no idea.

01:37:01.000 They don't tell everybody.

01:37:01.000 I think it's like what you were saying earlier, that we were talking about how in the 1980s and whatever, before the internet, there was only a few different programs, so everybody was on these channels.

01:37:11.000 But I think in this day and age, there's so much information out there.

01:37:15.000 There's so much stuff to listen to and so much stuff to watch and so much stuff to pay attention to.

01:37:19.000 It's just overwhelming that when something happens, even if it's a big deal, it's gone in a couple days. 0.98

01:37:25.000 Some new shit coming down the pipe. 1.00

01:37:27.000 University of Missouri, they're having a fucking hunger strike. 1.00

01:37:30.000 Oh, that lady, she pushed that kid and she called for muscle. 1.00

01:37:34.000 There's a new thing every goddamn day. 0.99

01:37:36.000 You know, a few days ago, the Pentagon got busted with a gas station that cost $43 million to build. 0.98

01:37:42.000 And everyone was like, why is a gas station in that part of the world?

01:37:44.000 It's normally between $200,000 and $500,000 to build a gas station.

01:37:48.000 $43 million!

01:37:49.000 And they're like, it just is. 0.99

01:37:51.000 It's fucking expensive. 0.96

01:37:51.000 I mean, the latest word out there, Donald Rumsfeld the day before 9-11 said, oh, we have $2.3 trillion missing. 0.96

01:37:59.000 It's ridiculous, right?

01:38:00.000 He just says, we don't know where it's at, but it's gone. 0.99

01:38:02.000 So they had to make a fucking Pentagon briefing. 0.99

01:38:06.000 They had to tell the world, listen, we lost $2.3 trillion. 0.99

01:38:10.000 September 10th.

01:38:11.000 Yeah, that was September 10th, and the next day, that office in the Pentagon is looking into it, blows up. 0.98

01:38:15.000 But anyways, as a juror, I'm like, gangsters, gangster shit's going on right here, dude. 0.99

01:38:23.000 I don't have to, I'm not fucking, I'm a grown-ass man. 0.99

01:38:27.000 I know how gangsters they are. 0.99

01:38:28.000 I'm like, that's, dude.

01:38:30.000 It's obvious, right?

01:38:32.000 But the hope, you think there's no hope because they control the media.

01:38:36.000 They got it.

01:38:36.000 But what shows me hope is what's happening with hemp and marijuana.

01:38:41.000 The resurgence, taking a Schedule I drug.

01:38:43.000 A Schedule I drug and making it legal?

01:38:46.000 Several states now, including Washington, D.C., which is crazy.

01:38:50.000 It's more and more and more.

01:38:51.000 It's becoming legal.

01:38:52.000 So that shows that the federal government doesn't...

01:38:55.000 They still schedule at one.

01:38:57.000 They didn't want this.

01:38:58.000 But that shows that the people actually, ultimately, if the people all can get together, they do have all the power.

01:39:05.000 The people do have the power, because we still remember that from the Constitution.

01:39:08.000 That's one thing we remember. 0.92

01:39:10.000 I don't remember the fucking amendments and all that, but I go, I know we have the power and you guys are supposed to be working for us. 0.97

01:39:15.000 Right now it's not like that and it's fucked up, but we know we're supposed to have the power. 0.97

01:39:19.000 And when we learn that and we learn how powerful we are, we took a schedule one drug that was It was demonized. 0.93

01:39:25.000 It was persecuted.

01:39:26.000 It wasn't just left by itself.

01:39:28.000 They went after the psyche of the nation globally, really, not just nationally.

01:39:33.000 That was real.

01:39:34.000 That's not a conspiracy theory. 1.00

01:39:35.000 The reefer madness propaganda, that's some evil shit. 0.99

01:39:38.000 So when people tell me, oh, do you know there's parts of the government that do this? 1.00

01:39:41.000 I don't need fucking evidence. 0.97

01:39:43.000 You could tell me anything. 0.99

01:39:45.000 I'm like, it's probably true. 0.99

01:39:46.000 And if it's not true, who gives a fuck anyways? 0.99

01:39:48.000 But I believe it. 0.99

01:39:50.000 You're talking about criminals?

01:39:51.000 Is it criminal activity?

01:39:53.000 Does it seem like, oh, you can make money that way?

01:39:55.000 Whatever you're telling me.

01:39:55.000 I see where the money comes from.

01:39:57.000 If I don't see where the money comes from, I go, maybe it's bullshit. 0.98

01:39:59.000 But if you could see how they can make money, I'm like, they probably do it. 0.97

01:40:02.000 Because if you just thought of it, they probably thought of it too.

01:40:05.000 They're running everything.

01:40:07.000 But there's hope. 1.00

01:40:09.000 There's hope, my shit, that people do have the fucking power. 1.00

01:40:12.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:40:13.000 We can't make a difference. 1.00

01:40:15.000 They're in a position where they can lock people up, and they can intimidate people with the threat of locking people up. 0.57

01:40:19.000 Even for something as silly as marijuana.

01:40:21.000 I mean, people will say, well, that's, you know, it's not even an important point.

01:40:25.000 Remember when Obama said there was some sort of a write-in on the internet, like, what should they talk about?

01:40:32.000 And I forget what speech he was giving, what town hall.

01:40:35.000 What was the number one question?

01:40:36.000 And he's like, the number one question was legalization of marijuana.

01:40:40.000 I don't know what that says about the people that are calling in.

01:40:44.000 He jokes around about it like it's not a serious topic.

01:40:49.000 But of course it's a serious topic.

01:40:51.000 Because marijuana by itself, whether you like pot or don't like pot, it's not about that.

01:40:55.000 It's about freedom.

01:40:57.000 And it's a serious topic when you have a subject like marijuana, which all these people enjoy, and there's no reason why it should be illegal, and yet it's still illegal.

01:41:06.000 That's not freedom. 0.98

01:41:08.000 See, if marijuana made people's fucking brains melt, and made your dick fall off, and made people just start running out into traffic, there would be a reason why someone would say, hey, we gotta spend a lot of money to stop this, because it's gonna destroy our youth, ruin our children, and just devastate our society. 0.98

01:41:23.000 Since that evidence doesn't exist, It doesn't make any sense. 1.00

01:41:26.000 So if someone is still arresting people when there's no evidence that they should be, that's when shit gets scary. 0.98

01:41:32.000 That's scary. 0.98

01:41:33.000 That's a freedom issue.

01:41:34.000 Because they're letting you know.

01:41:35.000 They could just lock you in a cage.

01:41:37.000 We have a difference of opinion.

01:41:38.000 I'm not even willing to look at scientific evidence.

01:41:40.000 I don't care about scientific evidence.

01:41:42.000 I care about what's written on this piece of paper.

01:41:44.000 And this piece of paper says, if you have a certain amount of these plants, I can put you in a cage. 1.00

01:41:49.000 And I can make money off of you being in that fucking cage. 0.99

01:41:52.000 That is a freedom issue. 1.00

01:41:54.000 It has nothing to do with marijuana itself.

01:41:56.000 You and I are obviously marijuana advocates, and we're marijuana enthusiasts, and we're known for having beliefs that marijuana is not just a fun thing, but it's a very important thing for creativity.

01:42:09.000 It's like a turbocharger for creativity.

01:42:11.000 Absolutely.

01:42:12.000 And it doesn't get recognized for what it is because it's been demonized.

01:42:15.000 So it's not about whether or not you should start doing it or other people should start having our opinions.

01:42:20.000 And changing your mind on it.

01:42:22.000 It's about recognizing why we have these opinions in the first place, because they're not based on fact at all. 0.76

01:42:28.000 These are 1930s propaganda ideas that were, at the time, fucking tsunamis, right?

01:42:36.000 Tsunamis of information back when there were so few portals. 0.89

01:42:38.000 They put a movie like Reefer Madness out.

01:42:40.000 William Randolph Hearst is the guy running the newspapers. 1.00

01:42:43.000 He's got all these stories he's printing about Mexicans and black people raping white people. 1.00

01:42:47.000 When those were the only fucking voices on the horizon, people freaked out about any kind of information like that. 1.00

01:42:53.000 That was all that was available. 0.99

01:42:54.000 It wasn't like that, and then you go online, and Mike Tyson fucked a tiger? 0.95

01:42:58.000 What?

01:42:58.000 Or Dan Bilzerian who lost a hundred million dollars playing poker?

01:43:02.000 Why do you suppose they went after marijuana in just a demonic way?

01:43:08.000 Well, I think it was gone after in a very calculated way by a guy who went after a lot of things like that.

01:43:14.000 William Randolph Hearst, stand-to-profit for marijuana being illegal, remaining illegal.

01:43:19.000 In fact, they named it marijuana.

01:43:21.000 For people who don't even know, the name marijuana referred to wild Mexican tobacco.

01:43:25.000 And it had nothing to do with cannabis.

01:43:27.000 Cannabis was hemp, and everybody knew that, and they knew that as a textile and as a commodity, it was extremely valuable for the American people.

01:43:35.000 For people who don't know, there was actually a documentary that Jack Herrer found, and it was a big deal that he found it, because he had known about this, and people denied its existence, and then he found this documentary, Hemp for Victory.

01:43:47.000 And it was made during World War II, after hemp was essentially made illegal.

01:43:51.000 But they wanted hemp To use for sales.

01:43:55.000 Canvas is all made with hemp. 0.99

01:43:57.000 All the great paintings, like the Mona Lisa, that shit is painted on canvas, which comes from cannabis. 0.98

01:44:03.000 It is a commonly used plant throughout human history. 0.99

01:44:06.000 Thousands of years of use.

01:44:08.000 All...

01:44:10.000 Like, intercepted by a propaganda campaign.

01:44:13.000 This propaganda campaign by one guy and a bunch of other people that conspired with it as well, where there was two factions of it.

01:44:20.000 One guy wanted to- What did he do, put out movies?

01:44:22.000 Like William Randolph Hearst put out movies?

01:44:24.000 He paid for that, but he also owned Hearst Publications.

01:44:26.000 He owned the newspapers. 0.99

01:44:27.000 So he printed these wild stories of white women getting raped. 1.00

01:44:32.000 By people smoking marijuana. 0.98

01:44:33.000 Well, he owned hundreds of, like, he owned not just newspaper, but he owned hundreds of thousands of acres of trees.

01:44:41.000 And he used those trees and made paper out of them.

01:44:44.000 He owned paper mills. 0.98

01:44:45.000 If hemp became the new billion-dollar crop, as it was predicted on the cover of Popular Science magazine, if that happened, William Randolph Hearst would, I mean, he would have been fucked.

01:44:56.000 He would have had to spend millions of dollars converting his newspapers to hemp paper. 0.99

01:45:01.000 So he's like, fuck it. 1.00

01:45:02.000 I'll just write evil shit about marijuana. 1.00

01:45:05.000 I'll just call it marijuana. 0.99

01:45:06.000 So it wasn't even about going after the drug.

01:45:09.000 It was about going after what the fibers of the plant do.

01:45:13.000 That's a conspiracy theory right there.

01:45:15.000 It is.

01:45:16.000 And can you imagine, because that was all during the 30s and 40s, can you imagine that there had to be some people that were thought of as some tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists that are saying that weed is actually not, doesn't make you do all these crazy things that they're putting in the movies and with all this reefer manner propaganda. 0.96

01:45:33.000 Those people must have been, they looked so goddamn crazy back then.

01:45:37.000 Well, even today people try to debunk this. 0.93

01:45:39.000 People have said that to me and they sent me to a website, dude, that's been debunked, sorry.

01:45:43.000 What was debunked?

01:45:43.000 That William Randolph Hearst had set up marijuana and worked with, what was the guy's name?

01:45:50.000 Harry Anslinger.

01:45:52.000 Harry Anslinger.

01:45:52.000 But it hasn't been debunked.

01:45:54.000 Not only has it not been debunked, William Randolph Hearst was a notable cunt. 1.00

01:45:58.000 Everybody knew he was a cunt. 1.00

01:45:59.000 Orson Welles made a movie about what a cunt he was. 1.00

01:46:02.000 Who's protecting fucking William Randolph Hearst? 1.00

01:46:05.000 Come on. 0.99

01:46:05.000 It's the same mentality. 0.99

01:46:07.000 It's the same mentality we were talking about before.

01:46:08.000 It's the same people.

01:46:09.000 They believe 100% of the official stories.

01:46:11.000 It's those people, 100%, 100%.

01:46:13.000 People that think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

01:46:14.000 100%, 100%.

01:46:15.000 I'm 100% for 100%.

01:46:17.000 The Lee Harvey Oswald one is so strange.

01:46:19.000 Whatever they say, I'm going with it.

01:46:21.000 They would never lie.

01:46:22.000 Well, people, you know, it's hard because some people automatically gravitate towards conspiracies.

01:46:27.000 Some people automatically gravitate towards the official story.

01:46:32.000 But I think a lot of times the reality is somewhere in the middle.

01:46:36.000 And it's hard to find the reality.

01:46:38.000 Depending on the conspiracy theory.

01:46:40.000 You can't just say that about it.

01:46:41.000 That's true. 1.00

01:46:41.000 9-11, there's so much shit. 1.00

01:46:43.000 And like I said, people think, however crazy they think it is, Iran-Contra was just as crazy. 1.00

01:46:50.000 Everyone thought they were crazy.

01:46:51.000 And they got busted.

01:46:52.000 The William Randolph Hearst thing, here's why it really can't be totally debunked.

01:46:56.000 First of all, we don't really know.

01:46:57.000 We weren't there.

01:46:58.000 So it's very difficult to prove and it's very difficult to disprove.

01:47:02.000 But one thing we do know, he definitely did print stories about this drug that everyone was terrified of.

01:47:07.000 He definitely did contribute to the making of Reefer Madness.

01:47:10.000 I'm almost positive of that.

01:47:11.000 Do you have proof that he okayed that story?

01:47:13.000 Did you find out William Randolph Hearst had anything to do with the funding of the movie Reefer Madness?

01:47:17.000 We need a memo where he okays that story.

01:47:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:47:20.000 Where he signed off on it.

01:47:21.000 But here's the other aspect of it that we didn't talk about.

01:47:24.000 The timing of this is right after Prohibition ended.

01:47:29.000 So Prohibition was a boon to law enforcement.

01:47:32.000 They were constantly working.

01:47:33.000 They were arresting people, locking people up.

01:47:35.000 And then on top of that, organized crime emerges in a huge way.

01:47:39.000 I mean, that's where Al Capone got all his money. 0.99

01:47:41.000 That's where the Kennedys got their fucking money. 0.99

01:47:43.000 It's all from running booze, man. 1.00

01:47:45.000 So there's all these people that are illegally running booze, and they're making crazy money, and they wind up in positions of power, and even wind up having their fucking children become president. 0.99

01:47:53.000 That's the real story of the United States, is that Kennedy's fucking parents were drug runners. 0.99

01:47:58.000 Their drug was just a liquid drug. 1.00

01:48:00.000 It's just the same as running coke, just the same as growing weed right now today. 0.99

01:48:05.000 They're all criminals.

01:48:06.000 And JFK and his brother, Robert, something turned them, and they decided they're going to try to save the world.

01:48:13.000 Maybe.

01:48:15.000 They thought they could trust him because one thing's for sure, he was an extreme...

01:48:18.000 He was like Bill Clinton when it came to girls.

01:48:20.000 Yeah.

01:48:20.000 They thought they had him in the bag.

01:48:21.000 They thought he wouldn't...

01:48:22.000 He'd totally just stay in line.

01:48:25.000 And they had to get rid of him.

01:48:27.000 Everybody.

01:48:27.000 So that's interesting.

01:48:29.000 So they'd probably have a guy like that. 0.98

01:48:31.000 They'd get him in the office and go, listen, dude, we know you're a freak. 1.00

01:48:33.000 Just shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:48:34.000 Fuck as many as you want. 1.00

01:48:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:48:36.000 We'll keep you protected or... 1.00

01:48:38.000 You know, shit's gonna get ugly. 0.99

01:48:39.000 Sign a couple bills, you know what I mean? 1.00

01:48:41.000 Sign a little trade agreement, whatever.

01:48:43.000 What's the big deal?

01:48:43.000 We're gonna invade the Congo.

01:48:44.000 Just don't mess with this side.

01:48:45.000 You could do a little trade agreement with Mexico and all that.

01:48:47.000 It's very, who knows?

01:48:49.000 It's very intriguing when you start looking at possibilities like that.

01:48:52.000 Because it comes from a criminal family.

01:48:54.000 So, you know, it's very obvious. 0.97

01:48:56.000 They're all gangsters.

01:48:57.000 They turn, they try to change the world, and then they had to get rid of them.

01:49:01.000 It's just like, you know, gangster 101. Yeah, and then you get the gangsters through the police officers who are arresting people for booze, okay?

01:49:08.000 Because let's be honest.

01:49:09.000 It's not the cops that are the gangsters, but the people that are telling the cops where to go for sure are gangsters.

01:49:13.000 Why is it out in the first place?

01:49:16.000 Who says you can't have whiskey? 0.99

01:49:18.000 What kind of bitches are we? 1.00

01:49:20.000 We're supposed to be America. 1.00

01:49:21.000 Someone's gonna come along and say you can't have a drink? 1.00

01:49:23.000 How about fuck you? 1.00

01:49:24.000 That doesn't make any sense. 1.00

01:49:26.000 You can't drink? 1.00

01:49:27.000 So I'm supposed to just live my life by your fucking wacky rules? 1.00

01:49:30.000 I like drinking. 1.00

01:49:31.000 Drinking is fun.

01:49:32.000 It's so much fun.

01:49:33.000 It should be illegal.

01:49:35.000 It should be.

01:49:35.000 I'd be all for making it illegal.

01:49:38.000 It'd be cool to drink it like back in the 20s or 30s.

01:49:42.000 No, we'd have organized crime would be even bigger, man. 1.00

01:49:45.000 That shit becomes dangerous. 1.00

01:49:46.000 Look, I mean, Jack Daniels on the corner. 1.00

01:49:48.000 Here's a perfect example.

01:49:49.000 Jack Daniels has been around forever, right?

01:49:51.000 They sell whiskey, super popular everywhere.

01:49:53.000 I drink Jack Daniels on a regular basis, right?

01:49:56.000 That company's not evil.

01:49:59.000 They're not killing anybody. 0.97

01:50:00.000 Jack Daniels isn't fucking gunning people down the street. 0.92

01:50:03.000 Jack Daniels isn't taking over new territories. 0.97

01:50:05.000 Jack Daniels isn't fucking burrowing holes underneath prisons and digging people out. 0.92

01:50:10.000 But the corporation that owns Jack Daniels probably is. 0.97

01:50:15.000 I don't know if the corporation is even Jack Daniels itself.

01:50:18.000 It might just be Jack Daniels distillery. 1.00

01:50:19.000 I think someone took that shit over. 1.00

01:50:22.000 Come on! 1.00

01:50:23.000 Who cares?

01:50:24.000 Who cares?

01:50:24.000 My point is that Jack Daniels isn't an evil company.

01:50:27.000 They can make money. 0.93

01:50:28.000 But if you can make money doing shit like that, then there's less of a criminal element to it. 0.96

01:50:34.000 It's a safe company. 0.99

01:50:36.000 There's a lot of bad shit that gets done by people who are drunk on Jack Daniels, for sure. 0.99

01:50:40.000 But Jack Daniels the company is not like Al Capone. 0.99

01:50:43.000 That's my point.

01:50:44.000 When you let companies sell things legally, you get the tax benefit from it, and the companies aren't filled with criminals. 1.00

01:50:52.000 Because the only people that are willing to run heroin are going to be crazy fuckers like that guy from Breaking Bad. 0.99

01:50:57.000 That's going to be the people that are going to be running heroin. 1.00

01:50:59.000 They're going to be out of their fucking mind. 1.00

01:51:01.000 Those are the people that you're going to get. 1.00

01:51:02.000 But if it was legal, you're going to get Bill Gates.

01:51:05.000 You know? 0.91

01:51:05.000 I mean, if it's legal, how many rock stars have their own whiskey or tequila or some shit like that? 0.91

01:51:11.000 There's a bunch of those guys.

01:51:12.000 Those rappers, they always have their own tequila or something. 1.00

01:51:15.000 Everybody's got their own shit. 1.00

01:51:17.000 It's okay. 1.00

01:51:17.000 They're legal drug dealers. 1.00

01:51:19.000 But as long as you're making money...

01:51:20.000 Legally.

01:51:21.000 Paying taxes.

01:51:22.000 It's above board.

01:51:24.000 No one cares.

01:51:25.000 It's proof positive that drugs should be legal. 1.00

01:51:27.000 Because alcohol is one of the fucking worst. 1.00

01:51:29.000 One of the worst for your body. 1.00

01:51:31.000 Worse than cocaine.

01:51:32.000 The traffic accidents.

01:51:34.000 Are there cars out there that won't turn on if the driver's drunk?

01:51:39.000 My friend had one.

01:51:40.000 Wow.

01:51:40.000 My friend in Colorado had one.

01:51:42.000 He's a buddy of mine from New York.

01:51:44.000 Moved to Colorado.

01:51:44.000 What kind of car is that?

01:51:45.000 Well, he had to use it for work.

01:51:47.000 He got a DOI. The car's not unique.

01:51:50.000 It's a setup on the ignition.

01:51:51.000 They have a thing built into the ignition.

01:51:53.000 The ignition will not start unless he has to blow a blood alcohol content, then he has to wait a few minutes.

01:52:01.000 And it won't fire up for him if he's drunk.

01:52:04.000 That's brilliant.

01:52:05.000 Yeah.

01:52:05.000 That should be mandatory.

01:52:06.000 It's a good idea.

01:52:07.000 Yeah.

01:52:07.000 But it's not convenient.

01:52:09.000 At least his wasn't.

01:52:10.000 His says it takes a few minutes. 0.95

01:52:12.000 And I'm like, dude, that's got to suck in the snow. 0.94

01:52:13.000 Because it's Colorado. 0.95

01:52:15.000 I mean, he lives in Denver.

01:52:16.000 Those drunk driving schools, they don't want that to pass.

01:52:19.000 They're trying to stop.

01:52:19.000 They're lobbying against it.

01:52:21.000 They're holding it back.

01:52:22.000 They probably would have had them a long time ago, but the drunk driving topless schools, they all got together. 0.99

01:52:27.000 Well, what's going to save that is these fucking Google cars, like the Tesla that can drive itself. 1.00

01:52:33.000 That's going to save all that shit. 1.00

01:52:34.000 How does that work? 0.99

01:52:35.000 They work on sensors.

01:52:36.000 They already work on sensors.

01:52:37.000 It's fairly common now that your car will know when you're going across lines now.

01:52:43.000 Have you ever noticed that?

01:52:44.000 There's a lot of cars.

01:52:47.000 I had an Infiniti.

01:52:48.000 They sort of drive themselves?

01:52:50.000 No, but it lets you know if you're crossing a line.

01:52:53.000 It keeps you like...

01:52:54.000 Cadillac has one.

01:52:56.000 It's weird, man.

01:52:58.000 Have you seen those new Cadillac Escalades?

01:53:00.000 Uh-uh.

01:53:01.000 Dude, those things are dope. 1.00

01:53:02.000 I rent one of those everywhere I go.

01:53:04.000 I love those things.

01:53:05.000 First of all, I love them because I'm an old Italian man.

01:53:07.000 How much they cost? 1.00

01:53:08.000 It's a fucking Cadillac. 1.00

01:53:11.000 They're probably... 1.00

01:53:14.000 They're probably in the high 60s, maybe in the 70s of $1,000.

01:53:19.000 They're not cheap, but they're not cheaply made either. 0.95

01:53:21.000 They're fucking badass. 0.92

01:53:22.000 I rent them all the time. 0.97

01:53:23.000 I love them.

01:53:23.000 They're so smooth, too, dude.

01:53:24.000 They have this magnetic ride control suspension, so it just floats over everything.

01:53:28.000 You get this great view of everything.

01:53:31.000 Every time I'm in one, I'm like, why don't I drive one of these every day?

01:53:33.000 But they have this thing in this seat where if you get close to the edge, it vibrates on your thigh, on your left thigh. 0.98

01:53:42.000 So if you're getting close to the edge of the lines, like where the lines are, it lets you know, hey, hey, hey, bitch, get over here. 1.00

01:53:48.000 It's really weird. 0.93

01:53:50.000 It's real weird.

01:53:51.000 If you're backing up, it can give you a little vibrate if you get too close to things.

01:53:55.000 So it's not just looking.

01:53:56.000 You're not just seeing it in a camera or hearing it and beeps that get close.

01:54:00.000 You know how they have those?

01:54:01.000 And some BMWs, they have that beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. 1.00

01:54:04.000 The closer you get to the thing, it lets you, hey, bitch, you're going to hit this fucking thing! 1.00

01:54:09.000 Not only does the Cadillac do that, but it vibrates your seat. 1.00

01:54:12.000 It lets you know where it is.

01:54:13.000 If you're about to hit something on the right-hand side, your right thigh will start vibrating.

01:54:17.000 It's really weird. 0.97

01:54:18.000 It's fucking trippy. 0.96

01:54:20.000 I don't remember what my point was. 0.99

01:54:22.000 We're talking about cars.

01:54:23.000 Oh, so that's how they use some sort of cameras to see those lanes.

01:54:27.000 So they know when you're out of lanes.

01:54:29.000 Because even if the road curves, they know. 1.00

01:54:32.000 They know if you keep going straight and the road curves, bitch, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00

01:54:35.000 And they also have this thing called... 1.00

01:54:37.000 It's a...

01:54:39.000 It's...

01:54:40.000 You know how you have cruise control, like regular cruise control?

01:54:42.000 This is a laser distance detecting cruise control.

01:54:47.000 So say if your car, this is pretty common now too.

01:54:49.000 If your car is ahead of mine and I set my cruise control for 65 miles an hour, if you slow down, my car slows down too.

01:54:56.000 If you speed up, my car speeds up. 1.00

01:54:58.000 I don't have to touch shit. 1.00

01:55:00.000 You just put your hands on the steering wheel. 1.00

01:55:01.000 It slows down for you, it speeds up for you. 0.99

01:55:04.000 You know anybody who buys a car like that is going to sign a fucking stack of waivers like a notebook, you know what I mean? 0.98

01:55:11.000 Right? 0.99

01:55:11.000 Come on. 0.99

01:55:12.000 Can you imagine the fucking accidents? 1.00

01:55:15.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:55:15.000 Well, this is what they're saying. 1.00

01:55:16.000 They're saying the Google cars have only had a couple accidents.

01:55:19.000 And they've been running them through San Francisco for a while. 0.99

01:55:21.000 Damn. 0.99

01:55:22.000 But people have... 0.99

01:55:22.000 I wonder how much the Google accidents have been Google's fault. 0.99

01:55:26.000 It's so hard to drive.

01:55:27.000 Jesus Christ.

01:55:29.000 Yeah.

01:55:29.000 That's so hard, man.

01:55:31.000 I want my arms down.

01:55:33.000 You still got to sit down.

01:55:34.000 It's so comfortable.

01:55:35.000 But do you really not like driving?

01:55:37.000 I would rather have a driver, but I don't trust a car.

01:55:40.000 It's too unpredictable.

01:55:41.000 You got to make some razor sharp decisions on the highway.

01:55:45.000 It doesn't have every situation programmed in the car.

01:55:49.000 There's all these weird, awkward situations where you're just driving and you could have avoided it if you would have had control.

01:55:54.000 But are those weird, awkward situations occurring because people are retarded? 1.00

01:55:58.000 Like, if everybody had a driver car, a car that drove itself, maybe those would just vanish.

01:56:04.000 And maybe you would get, like, a green light when you get on the road.

01:56:08.000 How much you smoke, man?

01:56:09.000 A lot.

01:56:10.000 But maybe.

01:56:11.000 Think about it.

01:56:11.000 Because, like, when you watch, like, I watched this girl texting the other day on her phone.

01:56:15.000 It was so frustrating.

01:56:16.000 Because we were on the highway.

01:56:17.000 We were going, like, 65 miles an hour.

01:56:19.000 And a couple times, she came close to my lane. 1.00

01:56:21.000 And whenever someone does that, I go, oh, I guarantee you they're fucking with their phone. 1.00

01:56:24.000 And I look over, and this girl's doing this shit. 1.00

01:56:27.000 Everybody does that shit, man. 1.00

01:56:28.000 It's scary. 1.00

01:56:29.000 No, I don't do that.

01:56:29.000 I don't do that.

01:56:30.000 I don't do that. 1.00

01:56:31.000 I leave my fucking phone on the passenger seat. 0.99

01:56:33.000 I take it, I put it over there. 1.00

01:56:35.000 I'm not fucking with that thing. 0.94

01:56:36.000 But you'll talk and drive, though. 0.99

01:56:37.000 I'll talk and drive on my phone.

01:56:38.000 I press a button on the steering wheel.

01:56:40.000 That's not bad.

01:56:42.000 Because it's going through the Bluetooth.

01:56:43.000 You can have a little conversation.

01:56:44.000 You can see everything.

01:56:46.000 It's like having a conversation with a dude who's sitting next to you.

01:56:48.000 It's totally normal.

01:56:49.000 Is it legal to...

01:56:50.000 Because it's illegal to text or to do anything on your phone.

01:56:53.000 That's illegal, right?

01:56:54.000 Yes.

01:56:54.000 Is it illegal to go through your CDs or go through your stations on your satellite?

01:57:01.000 No.

01:57:02.000 You can't do this, but you can do this.

01:57:04.000 You can press the thing on your car that's stationary.

01:57:09.000 It's like locked in.

01:57:10.000 But if you have something in your hand, you start pressing that to make your music come on, which all my music is on my iPhone.

01:57:16.000 I carry everything on my iPhone.

01:57:18.000 I carry all my music.

01:57:19.000 I used to have an iPod connector in my car.

01:57:21.000 No one does that.

01:57:22.000 I still have it in my BMW. It still has a little iPod connector.

01:57:27.000 I still have iPods.

01:57:28.000 Why, though? 0.99

01:57:29.000 My fucking phone has a hundred and something gigs. 0.99

01:57:31.000 There's no way I need all that. 1.00

01:57:33.000 How could you listen to all that, you greedy bitch? 1.00

01:57:36.000 You have to be a crazy person. 1.00

01:57:38.000 I think people are now, since we went to... 0.97

01:57:42.000 It seems like we're more and more just...

01:57:46.000 Using our laptops less and our phones way more, right?

01:57:49.000 Yeah, way more.

01:57:50.000 So I think that's great for music.

01:57:52.000 Listening to music on your computer is not as cool as being out and about on your phone with headsets.

01:58:00.000 On the airport, music.

01:58:03.000 You've sent me songs and I listen to them right when you sent me them.

01:58:08.000 Literally, there's no delay at all.

01:58:10.000 How crazy is that? 0.99

01:58:11.000 You sent me some of your shit, and I press play, and I'm listening to it in my car in seconds. 1.00

01:58:15.000 And then you threw up. 1.00

01:58:16.000 No, it was good, dude.

01:58:17.000 But in seconds, in seconds, you could ask Siri.

01:58:22.000 Now, I'm going to stop this, because people are getting mad at me for saying this, because it makes your phone go off.

01:58:28.000 If you say, H-E-Y, S-I-R-I. And say those things together, you can ask it things.

01:58:36.000 It'll transcribe things for you.

01:58:38.000 It transcribes for me accidentally.

01:58:40.000 I look down, the phone is taking every word that I said accidentally because I said those words during a podcast or something that sounded enough like it.

01:58:49.000 But when you have that, when you do something like that, you could tell it, hey, download me Smoke Serpent. 0.93

01:58:56.000 Hey, go to Eddie Bravo Radio number three, and it'll fucking find it on the internet and play it for you. 0.97

01:59:01.000 Dude, it's crazy. 0.96

01:59:03.000 Yeah, that's what we were talking about before we started the podcast was my music conspiracy theory.

01:59:08.000 Yeah, well, okay, what's your music conspiracy theory?

01:59:09.000 Does it involve Donald Rumpo?

01:59:11.000 This is just me... 1.00

01:59:14.000 Smoking a lot of weed and saying stupid shit, but it seems that the record companies in the record business have always, always ripped off the artists. 1.00

01:59:24.000 The artists never make, all of them, when you look at documentaries, every band the same thing. 1.00

01:59:29.000 They're getting ripped off.

01:59:30.000 If you watch that Eagles documentary, it's amazing.

01:59:33.000 I'm not an Eagles fan. 0.93

01:59:34.000 I'll never buy an Eagles CD, but I respect the shit out of them. 0.99

01:59:36.000 Dude, how dare you? 0.99

01:59:37.000 I respect the shit out of them. 0.99

01:59:40.000 I respect the shit out of them, and they do got some good stuff, but I'm just not that kind of southern rock thing. 0.99

01:59:45.000 We're all just prisoners here of our own device. 0.99

01:59:47.000 Yeah, I love the story, shit, the documentary, the story of how they got together and their dynamics when they broke up and got back together and shit. 0.99

01:59:55.000 Dude, the Eagles story's amazing. 0.99

01:59:56.000 You don't like Hotel California?

01:59:57.000 It's alright. 1.00

01:59:58.000 Goddamn. 1.00

01:59:59.000 Too many strippers dance to it. 1.00

02:00:03.000 But the story, and then you watch a 30 Seconds to Mars documentary, and the record company is suing him for $30 million.

02:00:11.000 Explain that, because that's Jared Leto, right?

02:00:14.000 That's the actor. 0.97

02:00:16.000 He also has a band, and his band had a deal with a record company, and it all fucking went... 0.93

02:00:21.000 They just didn't get paid, basically. 0.89

02:00:23.000 They just never got paid.

02:00:24.000 They were huge.

02:00:25.000 They got a couple of really good songs.

02:00:27.000 Echelon is one of my all-time favorite songs.

02:00:30.000 But anyways, you watch that documentary, It's always the same thing.

02:00:35.000 The record company doesn't have money.

02:00:37.000 They're not gonna pay. 1.00

02:00:39.000 We had to pay all this shit for you. 1.00

02:00:41.000 We bought your fucking video. 1.00

02:00:42.000 We paid for your goddamn producer. 1.00

02:00:44.000 You gotta pay that shit back. 1.00

02:00:45.000 And you better fucking get on the road, motherfucker. 1.00

02:00:47.000 You owe us money. 1.00

02:00:49.000 You owe us money.

02:00:50.000 Is this the movie Artifact?

02:00:52.000 Artifact, sometimes we must fight in order to be free.

02:00:54.000 Okay, I got something to watch on the plane.

02:00:56.000 I think it's on Netflix right now.

02:00:56.000 Is that 30 Minutes, Second to Mars?

02:00:57.000 Yeah, that's the one.

02:00:58.000 It's really good.

02:00:59.000 Is it on iTunes?

02:00:59.000 Yeah, it definitely was on iTunes and everything to buy for about a year.

02:01:02.000 You got to give it up to Jared Leto because he's the only guy on the planet that's a legitimate...

02:01:07.000 Musician, rock star, legitimate, where he has millions of fans.

02:01:11.000 He sold millions of records.

02:01:12.000 And he's a very successful actor, too.

02:01:15.000 You could almost say maybe he's reaching that A-list.

02:01:17.000 Jared Leto is a famous dude.

02:01:19.000 Nobody else has done that.

02:01:20.000 Music and acting, that huge?

02:01:22.000 You gotta give it up.

02:01:23.000 And they got a couple really good songs.

02:01:25.000 I'm not a gigantic 30 Seconds of Mars fan, but Echelon and The Mission...

02:01:30.000 Absolutely fantastic songs.

02:01:31.000 So they got a record deal and just were not getting any money?

02:01:36.000 Yeah, you know, I forget the details.

02:01:37.000 So then they went to court over it? 1.00

02:01:39.000 No, what happened is they weren't getting any money and Jared Leto said, I'm fucking out this motherfucker. 1.00

02:01:43.000 You guys owe us so much shit. 1.00

02:01:45.000 He wasn't going to say shit. 1.00

02:01:46.000 So he just said, I'm going to make an album on my own. 1.00

02:01:48.000 Fuck this. 1.00

02:01:49.000 We're selling millions of records. 1.00

02:01:51.000 We don't have anything.

02:01:52.000 They're not paying us.

02:01:54.000 Right.

02:01:55.000 The record company goes, oh, you think you could just do that?

02:01:57.000 Like the record, the contract was over like in six months.

02:02:00.000 Really, they could have just waited it out, but he just started working on a new album. 0.99

02:02:03.000 So fuck that. 0.99

02:02:04.000 Record company goes, oh, you're working on an album? 1.00

02:02:06.000 That's our album.

02:02:08.000 You know what I mean?

02:02:08.000 Something like that.

02:02:09.000 Something like that where they ended up suing them.

02:02:11.000 You think you could just walk away from us?

02:02:12.000 How about we're going to come after you for 30 million?

02:02:14.000 Dude, I have a friend who works.

02:02:16.000 She's a receptionist. 1.00

02:02:17.000 She was a receptionist. 1.00

02:02:18.000 She got fired. 0.99

02:02:19.000 She's working for some company that makes TV shows or some shit. 0.99

02:02:22.000 And they knew that she was a comedian. 0.99

02:02:24.000 You know, she's an amateur comedian. 1.00

02:02:26.000 And so while she was working with them, she developed this idea for some pilot with her and her friend.

02:02:33.000 Who's also a comedian.

02:02:35.000 So then all of a sudden, the company she's working for wanted her to sign some intellectual property agreement.

02:02:39.000 And anything she came up with when she was working there would be theirs.

02:02:43.000 And they literally said to her, while you work here, we own your brain.

02:02:47.000 Just imagine how crazy that is. 1.00

02:02:49.000 She's a fucking receptionist comedian. 1.00

02:02:51.000 A funny comedian, too. 1.00

02:02:52.000 And she's trying to make it.

02:02:54.000 She's out there hustling.

02:02:55.000 And the company that she works for, they make TV shows.

02:02:59.000 They're not using her in that regard.

02:03:01.000 They're using her as a receptionist. 1.00

02:03:02.000 They just decide that somehow or another they're gonna figure out a way to steal from her.

02:03:08.000 They're gonna tap into her creativity.

02:03:10.000 We own your ideas.

02:03:11.000 But imagine that. 1.00

02:03:12.000 You're paying someone like dog shit money. 1.00

02:03:14.000 You're paying someone like receptionist pay. 1.00

02:03:17.000 And you want to own their dream, their dream of a show? 1.00

02:03:20.000 That's fucking dirty. 1.00

02:03:22.000 That's dirty and scary. 1.00

02:03:23.000 Every band goes through the same shit. 1.00

02:03:24.000 It's like the record company is owned by gangsters themselves. 1.00

02:03:28.000 And when you sign a contract, you don't give a fuck. 0.99

02:03:32.000 You're just this kid from a small town. 0.99

02:03:34.000 Your band got big.

02:03:35.000 You're in Hollywood now. 1.00

02:03:37.000 You're going to sign the goddamn deal. 1.00

02:03:38.000 You don't even care. 1.00

02:03:39.000 You know you're getting ripped off.

02:03:41.000 It's so known that everybody knows in the music business, you don't make any money on your first album or two.

02:03:46.000 They'll make it so that you'll start making money on your third or fourth album.

02:03:51.000 That's where you're going to get a bigger cut. 0.99

02:03:53.000 But that first album or two, you ain't going to make shit. 0.99

02:03:55.000 And you know what? 0.98

02:03:56.000 It's good business when it's time for you to make the good money.

02:04:00.000 No, we're just going to leave you on your own.

02:04:02.000 Find a new artist.

02:04:03.000 We always need to bring in the new ones.

02:04:05.000 There's always new R&B artists.

02:04:06.000 There's always new rappers.

02:04:08.000 There's always new ones.

02:04:09.000 There's new ones coming in.

02:04:10.000 New rock bands.

02:04:11.000 They're always coming in.

02:04:11.000 95% of them are going to fail and they won't never make it to their third album.

02:04:14.000 But they got them coming in.

02:04:15.000 That's the deep conspiracy, right?

02:04:17.000 Because they all make the money in their second and third albums.

02:04:20.000 And the first album.

02:04:20.000 And the record company just leaves them.

02:04:21.000 Just gets ripped.

02:04:22.000 Unless it's like an anomaly where you have a Depeche Mode or U2. Where they get fucking massive and they could just sustain a career and 20 years into their career, they write fucking Beautiful Day and that's a smash hit. 0.95

02:04:34.000 You know, once you're like that, then after like 10, 15 years, you own your own shit and you realize, okay, I'm going to do my own shit here. 0.99

02:04:42.000 But then get the majors to distribute it. 0.98

02:04:45.000 I'll use their distribution like what Dr. Dre did.

02:04:47.000 How about what Prince did?

02:04:49.000 He had to use a fake name.

02:04:51.000 He couldn't even use a name.

02:04:52.000 Now looking back, everyone thought Prince was crazy. 1.00

02:04:54.000 Prince is a fucking genius. 1.00

02:04:56.000 He came up with a symbol. 1.00

02:04:58.000 The artist formerly known as Prince.

02:05:00.000 He's not Prince anymore. 1.00

02:05:01.000 Nobody could say his shit. 1.00

02:05:02.000 He loved it. 1.00

02:05:02.000 Nobody could say the band. 1.00

02:05:04.000 Yeah.

02:05:04.000 He can't say it.

02:05:05.000 He proved a point, too. 1.00

02:05:06.000 Bitch, you're coming to see me. 1.00

02:05:07.000 They're coming to see me. 1.00

02:05:08.000 They don't give a fuck if I'm with Warner Brothers or A&M. That's all nonsense. 0.99

02:05:13.000 They just stole.

02:05:14.000 They were stealing.

02:05:16.000 They're trying to do that in the world of podcasting.

02:05:18.000 There's a lot of that going on in the world of podcasting where companies are coming in and they're trying to own half of podcasts and put you on a network.

02:05:25.000 It's really common.

02:05:26.000 A lot of that's been going on where they're trying to scoop up podcasts.

02:05:30.000 Because podcasts are such a simple model.

02:05:32.000 You have one.

02:05:33.000 You know how it is.

02:05:34.000 You take it.

02:05:35.000 You record it.

02:05:36.000 You upload it on iTunes with some sort of a server.

02:05:40.000 Easy.

02:05:41.000 It's not difficult.

02:05:42.000 Like, you know, use someone like a service like Libsyn is what we use.

02:05:45.000 They're actually in the podcast distribution business.

02:05:49.000 And once you do that, I mean, that's basically it.

02:05:52.000 That's all you have to do.

02:05:53.000 That's not a lot.

02:05:54.000 If someone like Radiolab or like Hardcore History is a perfect example, he's almost always like in the top three or four whenever he releases something new.

02:06:02.000 Maybe sometimes often one, number one.

02:06:04.000 I've seen him one a couple times.

02:06:05.000 It's just a dude and a producer putting together a history podcast.

02:06:09.000 Yeah, and look at your podcast.

02:06:11.000 You had a direct impact on what's going on with marijuana today.

02:06:15.000 Ten years ago, before this podcast, I think you are the biggest spokesperson for getting people to open their eyes.

02:06:28.000 I don't know about all that, but I think the internet is, and I think I'm on the internet.

02:06:32.000 That's what I think it is, because these aren't all my ideas.

02:06:35.000 These are ideas that I've gotten from reading all sorts of crazy shit that gets sent me all the time, reading different things. 0.91

02:06:40.000 You're the messenger. 0.98

02:06:40.000 Yeah, we're all like conduits. 0.98

02:06:44.000 We're all like rivers. 0.99

02:06:46.000 Some of us, we tap into a big ocean of information, and we could shuttle that shit downstream. 0.99

02:06:52.000 That's really what it is. 0.98

02:06:53.000 When you get a podcast or... 0.98

02:06:56.000 Someone sends me interesting shit on Twitter. 0.95

02:06:58.000 I retweet things all day long. 0.99

02:07:00.000 All day long.

02:07:00.000 I always look at something.

02:07:01.000 I'll read it for a few minutes.

02:07:02.000 If it seems interesting, I retweet it.

02:07:04.000 That's why people say, like, are you endorsing things when you retweet?

02:07:08.000 I found it interesting. 0.99

02:07:10.000 Make your own goddamn conclusions. 1.00

02:07:12.000 If something is totally ridiculous, like some Christian guy thinks that gays are responsible for the drought, I will fucking retweet that. 1.00

02:07:20.000 Doesn't mean I believe that. 0.99

02:07:21.000 I just think, look at this guy.

02:07:23.000 I don't have time to go through all the information with people, but I like the fact that I'm this sort of portal.

02:07:31.000 So because of that, I feel like I get...

02:07:36.000 Privy to or I get access to a lot of information that I might not have ever sought out myself.

02:07:41.000 It gets sent to me.

02:07:43.000 It's really cool.

02:07:44.000 And then I do the same thing.

02:07:45.000 You know, I talk about it on here and then we'll sit around and we'll try to think about it.

02:07:49.000 We'll try to break it down or figure out what's...

02:07:51.000 It's just another river of the internet.

02:07:55.000 That's what it is.

02:07:56.000 This is all some new thing that's happening to the human race.

02:08:00.000 The human race gets to discuss things.

02:08:16.000 Isn't that nuts?

02:08:17.000 It's crazy.

02:08:20.000 It's the same owners of these record companies.

02:08:23.000 They always told the artists they weren't making money.

02:08:26.000 Now, this is my conspiracy theory. 0.70

02:08:28.000 Now, I think the music business is bigger than fucking ever with the internet.

02:08:33.000 They're not selling CDs. 0.88

02:08:34.000 They're not selling solid product. 0.94

02:08:36.000 But I think they're making so much more goddamn money than ever before. 0.91

02:08:40.000 And why should they tell anybody? 0.94

02:08:41.000 Oh, no, you know what? 0.99

02:08:42.000 The record business sucks. 0.86

02:08:43.000 So now you just want to get a record. 0.90

02:08:45.000 Where are they making the money from?

02:08:47.000 Online.

02:08:48.000 But most of the stuff is being sold through, what, iTunes?

02:08:51.000 Is that the number one?

02:08:53.000 The thing is, yes, people do steal music.

02:08:57.000 Wait a minute, what are you saying?

02:08:58.000 No, no, I'm giving the whole overall scope.

02:09:01.000 People do steal music, I know that.

02:09:03.000 But I think when you go the old way, the only way you're going to get a CD is through the actual distribution. 0.89

02:09:09.000 You can't reach fucking, but a fraction of the world. 0.98

02:09:13.000 Unless you're gigantic. 0.99

02:09:15.000 You can Google it unless you're one of the big bands.

02:09:17.000 Very hard.

02:09:17.000 You gotta have a physical copy.

02:09:18.000 But yes, we're not selling CDs anymore, but now we have the whole world and they can buy it instantly.

02:09:24.000 I mean, I can easily...

02:09:26.000 I'm okay with computers.

02:09:27.000 I'm like a blue belt on computers.

02:09:29.000 I'm sure I could find a place where I can get free stuff, but iTunes is so convenient and I got an iPhone.

02:09:34.000 I'm buying all my old vinyl stuff and it's in my phone.

02:09:38.000 I think more than ever now, now that we're a phone culture, I think music is bigger than ever now.

02:09:44.000 I love music.

02:09:45.000 I'm so passionate about music.

02:09:46.000 I'm always hunting.

02:09:47.000 It's easier to find stuff.

02:09:49.000 Satellite radio, which Shazam, Shazam is huge.

02:09:52.000 I think now more than ever, I think music is getting really good.

02:09:58.000 There's a lot of good artists out there.

02:09:59.000 And I think, I don't know, it sucked for a while, but I think there's a...

02:10:03.000 It's gonna be a new explosion of how we get our music.

02:10:08.000 The record business aren't important anymore.

02:10:10.000 What's important is music.

02:10:11.000 What's important is music producers and artists.

02:10:15.000 And everyone's producing their own stuff.

02:10:16.000 And you can distribute stuff in a unique way.

02:10:19.000 It's a totally different animal now.

02:10:21.000 I make a music, I make a song.

02:10:24.000 Like, if an independent label wanted to sign me as a producer or whatever, I would never take, like, an independent label.

02:10:30.000 I would take some deal that was a huge deal that was life-changing, but for me to...

02:10:35.000 It's just way easier just to do whatever I want to do, not have to worry about anybody, and just put whatever I want.

02:10:42.000 Whenever I want, I don't have any deadline. 0.96

02:10:45.000 As soon as you start getting deadlines and someone owns a piece of my motherfucking music, I don't know about that. 0.97

02:10:50.000 Not just a piece, but most of it. 0.97

02:10:52.000 Independent label?

02:10:53.000 No one's heard of?

02:10:55.000 It's got to be a huge label for me to...

02:10:57.000 Honey Honey had a problem with one of their last songs.

02:10:59.000 They had this last album.

02:11:01.000 There's this one song that I loved, and I'm like, why isn't that song on your album?

02:11:05.000 And even though they wrote that song, they produced it, it was all theirs, the record company wanted to own it.

02:11:10.000 So it's like, oh, Jesus.

02:11:11.000 So they just decided to not put it on there.

02:11:13.000 I'm like, that is crazy.

02:11:14.000 That is crazy.

02:11:14.000 They just want to own it.

02:11:15.000 Someone else owns some shit. 1.00

02:11:17.000 How crazy is that, though? 1.00

02:11:17.000 You write it, you sing it, you write it, you sing it, you... 1.00

02:11:22.000 You experiment with it, you change it, you tweak it.

02:11:24.000 And some dudes you don't know own it all.

02:11:27.000 They own it.

02:11:27.000 Yeah.

02:11:28.000 It's theirs.

02:11:29.000 They want it.

02:11:30.000 They didn't even pay anything for it.

02:11:31.000 They don't want to pay you for it.

02:11:32.000 They just want it.

02:11:32.000 It's part of the deal.

02:11:33.000 So it's like, what exactly are the record companies needed for?

02:11:37.000 What are they needed for?

02:11:38.000 But you know what's going on is the music video, MTV no longer exists as a music video TV station.

02:11:45.000 What are they now?

02:11:46.000 They just do it like a regular channel now.

02:11:49.000 That's so weird.

02:11:50.000 But they might show videos a little bit here and there.

02:11:52.000 I don't even pay attention no more.

02:11:53.000 But why are record labels still making these huge, big budget music videos?

02:12:01.000 Because now everyone, they go to Vivo or YouTube, people love watching music videos.

02:12:06.000 Now it's easier.

02:12:07.000 You can watch a music video now on your phone?

02:12:09.000 Before you had to watch it on MTV. How are you going to get MTV on your phone now?

02:12:12.000 So there's like a resurgence of music videos.

02:12:15.000 They're huge.

02:12:15.000 And music is so easy to listen to and share and buy and Shazam and spread.

02:12:22.000 The music industry thrives on niches and metal people and R&B people. 0.97

02:12:29.000 R&B people aren't trying to sell music to these white kids that are in the insane clown posse. 0.98

02:12:34.000 You know what I mean? 0.97

02:12:35.000 The music industry is all about, do you know your niche?

02:12:39.000 And are you selling to the right market?

02:12:41.000 And that's what the internet has become.

02:12:43.000 So, for music...

02:12:45.000 I don't think the internet killed music.

02:12:48.000 I think it's exploding right now. 0.61

02:12:51.000 It only killed these parasitic music companies. 0.92

02:12:54.000 That's what it killed. 0.62

02:12:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:12:56.000 That's what it killed. 1.00

02:12:57.000 The people ripping it off, most people are buying this shit. 1.00

02:12:59.000 They were distributors. 1.00

02:13:01.000 That's all they were.

02:13:01.000 They were distributors.

02:13:02.000 Distributors and publicists.

02:13:03.000 Now the publicist, the best version of it is social media. 0.99

02:13:08.000 The best version of it is having a good connection with the fans on social media and people finding out about your shit and they spread it virally. 0.99

02:13:15.000 That's the best way to do it. 0.98

02:13:18.000 Then what happens is these big record companies, they essentially become publicists.

02:13:24.000 We own your Twitter.

02:13:25.000 Yeah.

02:13:25.000 Well, they do that.

02:13:26.000 I told you what happened with Arsenio Hall.

02:13:28.000 Can you imagine that?

02:13:28.000 Well, they tried to do that with me, man.

02:13:30.000 They tried to own your Twitter?

02:13:31.000 Who?

02:13:32.000 They tried to post on it.

02:13:33.000 One of the TV shows I was doing.

02:13:34.000 It was one of the requests.

02:13:36.000 Can we borrow your account?

02:13:37.000 They wanted to have access to my social media.

02:13:39.000 They wanted to use my Twitter and my Facebook. 1.00

02:13:41.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:13:43.000 And I was like, fuck you. 1.00

02:13:45.000 There's no way. 1.00

02:13:45.000 You could do that to a fan page type deal. 1.00

02:13:48.000 You know what I mean?

02:13:48.000 Like an extra one that I'm not paying any attention.

02:13:51.000 You could create your own one. 1.00

02:13:52.000 You could do that shit. 1.00

02:13:53.000 But if you sign off on that, it's still no good. 1.00

02:13:56.000 Really?

02:13:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.96

02:13:57.000 Because you don't know what the fuck they're putting up there unless you approve each and every message. 0.96

02:14:03.000 The best way to do it would be you tell me what you want me to say, what are you trying to get me to say, and I'll tell you whether or not that's ever going to happen. 1.00

02:14:11.000 And if you want to say something in my voice, which they're trying to do, I'm like, you're fucking crazy. 1.00

02:14:16.000 You're crazy. 1.00

02:14:17.000 Because I'm not going to agree. 0.97

02:14:19.000 Hey, you guys should tune in to blah, blah, blah on primetime at 8. Amazing.

02:14:23.000 It would be cool if you guys tweeted this.

02:14:25.000 Are you out of your mind? 0.99

02:14:26.000 You think I'm going to tweet promotions for other shows or live tweet things that you've got going on or get involved with your fucking shark week or whatever the fuck it is? 1.00

02:14:35.000 That kind of crazy talk. 0.99

02:14:36.000 That's what happens when you become a part of a network.

02:14:39.000 You also become, like, involved in promos.

02:14:42.000 And they want to, like, they owned Arsenio Hall's Facebook.

02:14:45.000 He couldn't get his Facebook back.

02:14:47.000 When he did that Arsenio, the resurgence of the Arsenio Hall show.

02:14:50.000 Did he own it before on his own?

02:14:51.000 It was his.

02:14:52.000 It was his.

02:14:53.000 But to do a new show that was part of the deal. 0.99

02:14:54.000 They wanted to take over his fucking Facebook. 1.00

02:14:56.000 That's crazy. 1.00

02:14:56.000 That's what they do. 1.00

02:14:58.000 That's what they do.

02:14:59.000 Because that's all the power.

02:15:00.000 You blow up some artists, like Rihanna's Twitter, she can, just based on her Twitter, she can make her break bands. 1.00

02:15:06.000 Or not really break them, she can make them.

02:15:08.000 Yeah, she can do incredible stuff. 1.00

02:15:09.000 By herself, she has all the power. 1.00

02:15:11.000 So if she loses the label just with that Twitter, she owns her own shit. 1.00

02:15:15.000 Oh, and Instagram and all those things. 0.99

02:15:17.000 That's all you need to do.

02:15:18.000 I bet...

02:15:21.000 A lot of the deals now are...

02:15:23.000 I think the power is going back to the people.

02:15:25.000 Everything's being set up.

02:15:27.000 And record labels are probably fumbling.

02:15:30.000 They're still trying to jack young artists. 0.99

02:15:32.000 They're still trying to do shit like this. 0.99

02:15:33.000 And they're making all that online money. 0.96

02:15:34.000 I don't know how much money that is.

02:15:37.000 Everything online is a lot.

02:15:39.000 I know, but I want to know if there's ever been a study on...

02:15:43.000 What percentage of music gets purchased online and how much of it just gets downloaded illegally?

02:15:48.000 Like, what do you think the ratio is?

02:15:50.000 I think most people...

02:15:51.000 If you had a guess.

02:15:52.000 With Spotify coming in now and people paying for that, they can track that and people pay, and that's high.

02:15:56.000 And that's problematic.

02:15:57.000 That's, in a lot of ways, a lot like a record company because that's one of the big complaints that artists have had about Spotify is that they don't get paid enough money from it.

02:16:06.000 That's like Taylor Swift's complaint about it.

02:16:08.000 Oh, really?

02:16:08.000 They're complaining?

02:16:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:16:11.000 I think they're trying to get into the podcast world, too.

02:16:14.000 But the point is, they're an aggregator, right?

02:16:18.000 They're a portal for something.

02:16:19.000 How much money should a portal make?

02:16:22.000 What percentage should a portal make and what percentage should Taylor Swift make?

02:16:25.000 Taylor Swift should make almost everything.

02:16:28.000 Look at this.

02:16:29.000 Pharrell made only $2,700 in songwriter royalties from 43 million plays of Happy on Pandora. 1.00

02:16:36.000 What the fuck? 0.99

02:16:38.000 Wow. 1.00

02:16:40.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

02:16:42.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:16:43.000 That's like an onion sketch, you know? 0.99

02:16:46.000 I mean, that's like something The Onion would write for an article.

02:16:47.000 You know how big you have to be to make any kind of money?

02:16:50.000 $2,700.

02:16:54.000 $2,700 for 43 million plays.

02:16:57.000 You know what?

02:16:59.000 Someone's got to start like a Pandora that's actually a musician.

02:17:03.000 Like an open source.

02:17:04.000 Yeah, and say, listen, we're going to do this.

02:17:06.000 It's called Tidal.

02:17:06.000 Jay-Z and a bunch of other, I don't want to say all hip-hop artists started it, but they started something very similar.

02:17:11.000 Higher quality downloads.

02:17:12.000 You can pay $10 a month or $20 a month.

02:17:15.000 That's where that one Beyonce concert was for in Central Park. 0.96

02:17:19.000 It was a special Tidal concert.

02:17:20.000 That's where you watched it.

02:17:21.000 So the artists make more money?

02:17:23.000 Supposedly they make more money, but there was some backlash when that came out.

02:17:26.000 Fans were saying, why do you need more money?

02:17:28.000 You already have money.

02:17:29.000 Let's let independent artists get a chance to make some money.

02:17:34.000 It's really...

02:17:35.000 What, is he getting all the money from it?

02:17:36.000 I don't quite...

02:17:37.000 But little by little, you see what appears to be happening is little by little, the artist is now, because of the internet, it's slowly the shift, the power is going back to them.

02:17:47.000 Yes.

02:17:48.000 Yeah, because once you have followers and you can contact your fans, you needed the record company to contact your fans.

02:17:55.000 How else are you going to contact your fans?

02:17:56.000 We don't even have cell phones back then.

02:17:58.000 Exactly.

02:17:58.000 You need us...

02:18:00.000 Exactly.

02:18:00.000 To put you on the radio.

02:18:01.000 And the radio had really strict rules.

02:18:04.000 They had really strict relationships.

02:18:06.000 Radio's lost all their power too, man.

02:18:08.000 They're cutting budgets left and right, firing people.

02:18:11.000 You know, Kevin and Bean are good friends of mine.

02:18:13.000 I do their show.

02:18:13.000 That's like the last terrestrial radio show I do.

02:18:17.000 They're really nice guys, and I do their show.

02:18:18.000 And last time I was there, Bean was there.

02:18:20.000 He was telling me they meet with the upper management, but everyone's negative.

02:18:24.000 It's all down.

02:18:25.000 It's all downer.

02:18:25.000 No one's like, you guys are doing great.

02:18:27.000 It's such an enjoyable show.

02:18:28.000 I really appreciate that we're all working together. 0.99

02:18:30.000 Everyone's just like, fuck, we've got to fire people. 0.99

02:18:32.000 We've got to cut ties. 1.00

02:18:33.000 It's like that business, it's kind of a dying business.

02:18:38.000 It's like Morse code.

02:18:40.000 Just 20 years ago. 0.98

02:18:40.000 Because now that you have your music on your phone, instead, I remember, it seems like just yesterday, where I'm driving around, I always had 55 CDs in the back of my car, people stepping on them, there's always CDs, and once every couple weeks I gotta fucking organize my shit. 0.98

02:18:55.000 There's just CDs everywhere in my car. 0.83

02:18:57.000 Now it's just your phone.

02:18:57.000 It's just your phone.

02:18:58.000 It's so much easier.

02:18:59.000 Yeah, and it's on demand, instantaneously.

02:19:01.000 Anything you want.

02:19:02.000 You could always, if you don't have something on iTunes or whatever, you could always go to YouTube and listen to it on YouTube.

02:19:06.000 No, it's incredible.

02:19:07.000 It's an amazing time for that.

02:19:09.000 And these guys that were like radio DJs, essentially what made them cool was their personalities.

02:19:14.000 But when you get trapped in a DJ gig like that, people get little snippets of your personality and your thought process on things, and then you play another song.

02:19:24.000 I think for those guys, it's like...

02:19:27.000 They would be way better served without a radio show. 1.00

02:19:30.000 They'd be way better served just talking about shit. 1.00

02:19:33.000 Because that's what people enjoy about them. 1.00

02:19:35.000 Anybody could play those same records.

02:19:36.000 You could have a robot voice that plays the same records.

02:19:39.000 So the people that are tuning in just for the music...

02:19:41.000 Go ahead, do it, brother.

02:19:42.000 The people that are tuning in just for the music...

02:19:45.000 Those people are going to tune in no matter what.

02:19:48.000 That's what they want to hear.

02:19:48.000 They don't care about the personalities.

02:19:50.000 But the personalities, guys like Kevin and Bean, they're fun dudes.

02:19:53.000 They're interesting guys.

02:19:54.000 And that's what is interesting about that show.

02:19:56.000 They would almost be better served if the radio station fired them and they had to go and do an internet show.

02:20:02.000 Because if they did an internet show, it would just be them talking about stuff and it would be great.

02:20:05.000 It would just be a podcast.

02:20:07.000 I think...

02:20:09.000 For the longest time, it was fucking really hard to get the internet on your phone. 1.00

02:20:13.000 You know, you had to download shit. 0.99

02:20:15.000 And then 3G came around, got a little bit better. 0.99

02:20:18.000 But then 4G LTE came around. 1.00

02:20:20.000 It's like, that shit is fast as fuck. 1.00

02:20:23.000 Instantaneous streaming. 1.00

02:20:24.000 Like, if you want to listen to a song, there's almost never a hiccup.

02:20:28.000 It's really easy and really quick to do.

02:20:30.000 That's such a game changer, man.

02:20:33.000 That's so...

02:20:34.000 If those DJs are like a curator, though, where do you find your new music these days?

02:20:40.000 That's a good point.

02:20:42.000 Because that's kind of like, if you're considered yourself, I guess, like a Twitter curator for sort of that kind of content.

02:20:48.000 Yeah, that's a really, really good point.

02:20:50.000 Where do you find new music?

02:20:51.000 That's a really good point. 0.99

02:20:52.000 That's why I'm so out of the fucking loop. 0.98

02:20:54.000 I don't know anything. 0.98

02:20:55.000 People tell me about some guy like, you know, Eddie was talking about that King Daddy guy.

02:20:58.000 Never heard of him until he talked about him.

02:20:59.000 I think it's Daddy Yankee, and it's just a...

02:21:01.000 Daddy Yankee?

02:21:02.000 Yeah.

02:21:02.000 Okay, well, whatever.

02:21:03.000 I never heard that either.

02:21:04.000 But think about that.

02:21:05.000 You know, Eddie found out.

02:21:06.000 He's like, I can't believe this guy's huge.

02:21:08.000 I just found out from him in real time on the show.

02:21:11.000 Like, there's so many people that no one has ever heard of that are gigantic.

02:21:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:21:17.000 We're talking about that King Daddy guy.

02:21:18.000 Like, I didn't find out about it until you just said it.

02:21:20.000 Yeah, he's huge.

02:21:21.000 He's massive.

02:21:21.000 He's playing the Staples Center.

02:21:23.000 It looked like a movie.

02:21:24.000 Staples Center, King Daddy.

02:21:27.000 Yeah.

02:21:27.000 Come on.

02:21:28.000 That sounds like a Chris Rock movie.

02:21:29.000 Well, it's just an amazing time.

02:21:32.000 It's an amazing time.

02:21:33.000 It's an amazing time for promotion.

02:21:35.000 It's an amazing time to do podcasts.

02:21:40.000 I mean, this is the craziest time ever for podcasts.

02:21:43.000 It's this new thing.

02:21:44.000 I mean, we've been doing it for six years next month.

02:21:48.000 It'll be December 30th or something like that.

02:21:50.000 It was six years. 0.80

02:21:52.000 In that time, podcasts have gone from being some shit that people did for a goof to one of the few ways that I get entertainment. 0.82

02:22:01.000 It's one of the major ways. 0.91

02:22:03.000 My major ways are Walking Dead, shows like that that I'll watch at home, hunting shows, MMA fights, and podcasts.

02:22:13.000 It's a major part of what I listen to. 0.98

02:22:16.000 Not my own shit, but... 0.99

02:22:19.000 Radio Lab, the TED Podcast Hour, Hardcore History, Ari's show, Joey's show. 0.99

02:22:26.000 There's all these podcasts to listen to.

02:22:28.000 There's always entertainment.

02:22:29.000 Always, constantly.

02:22:30.000 It's constant entertainment. 0.96

02:22:31.000 And I can't tell you how many fucking people I've talked to that say, hey man, listen to your show, and because of your show, we start our own podcast. 0.95

02:22:39.000 Anybody can do it! 0.98

02:22:40.000 Why not?

02:22:41.000 Why not? 1.00

02:22:42.000 If it's good, if you have one person take a fucking chance on your podcast, one person, and they go, that's pretty fucking good, and they send it to their friend, dude, listen to these guys shoot the shit about shit. 0.99

02:22:51.000 We saw it the other day when we were talking about Josh Olin, who we had in on the podcast. 0.99

02:22:57.000 We both watched a podcast that had like...

02:23:01.000 2,000 downloads on YouTube, maybe.

02:23:05.000 And it was over a year ago.

02:23:07.000 And Jamie and I both watched it.

02:23:08.000 We both watched it because we wanted to see these guys take on it.

02:23:11.000 So these guys take on it, which was intelligent.

02:23:13.000 They're funny guys.

02:23:14.000 They had good points.

02:23:17.000 They gave us, like, an insight into it.

02:23:20.000 Now, because of that, I'll see that podcast, and I'll go, oh, these guys, I remember these guys.

02:23:25.000 And that's what people do.

02:23:26.000 And then, do-do-do-do-do, next thing you know, you got 100,000 downloads a month.

02:23:30.000 I mean, that's not unusual.

02:23:33.000 That's super possible and plausible now.

02:23:36.000 All you have to do is focus on something and put together something that's really good and unusual.

02:23:40.000 We all have friends, like my friend Dave Dolan, who just died.

02:23:44.000 Let me tell you something. 0.98

02:23:44.000 If that motherfucker was alive, if he lived in LA, I'd have him on the podcast every week. 0.98

02:23:49.000 I'm kicking myself that I never had him on while he was alive, but he never comes to LA. That guy would be hilarious on a podcast. 0.99

02:23:56.000 If someone gave him a podcast like the fucking Investigator Chronicles, the Private Investigator Chronicles, and you just let him be himself. 0.96

02:24:04.000 He could figure out how to be himself. 0.98

02:24:05.000 God, it would be hilarious.

02:24:07.000 What if you could do stand-up like in your podcast where you're talking, you're telling jokes, And everyone's connected to your headset so you could hear people laugh. 0.99

02:24:15.000 Oh, they would also start yelling shit at you. 0.99

02:24:18.000 And then you shut down. 1.00

02:24:19.000 As soon as they yell, you have a heckle button.

02:24:21.000 Boom! 0.99

02:24:22.000 They're gone.

02:24:22.000 Yeah, but you would have to find them.

02:24:24.000 How would you pick them out?

02:24:26.000 I mean, how many people are on the line at the same time?

02:24:28.000 If you had to have a show, like a show in a theater.

02:24:30.000 They'd have to have a voice recognizer.

02:24:33.000 Yeah, if you do a show in a theater with a thousand people, it can actually be kind of intimate.

02:24:37.000 If you say anything other than laughing, you've got to record all your laughs, and only those sounds can come out.

02:24:42.000 Any other sounds, you get cut off.

02:24:44.000 What if you go, ah!

02:24:46.000 You've got to do as many, because then you get cut off, and you find out why you got cut off, and then you get that laugh in there.

02:24:51.000 You go, I need that one.

02:24:52.000 You want people to be able to express themselves.

02:24:53.000 You want people to be able to express themselves?

02:24:55.000 If there wasn't hecklers, if people respected you, how cool would that be?

02:24:58.000 It might be like three or four people listening to you.

02:25:00.000 It's totally possible.

02:25:02.000 Like a conference call, really.

02:25:04.000 Exactly.

02:25:04.000 Like a giant conference call.

02:25:06.000 But the problem would be, like what I was saying, you can have a show with a thousand people in the audience and it's kind of intimate.

02:25:11.000 It is kind of intimate.

02:25:12.000 You can make it intimate.

02:25:13.000 But you're all looking at each other.

02:25:16.000 And that's the way people are supposed to talk.

02:25:18.000 I think I'm describing a webcam show.

02:25:22.000 I already got that! 1.00

02:25:22.000 I'm an idiot! 1.00

02:25:24.000 You can do webcam. 1.00

02:25:25.000 You can do webcam.

02:25:26.000 But that's texting.

02:25:27.000 Those guys don't get to talk.

02:25:28.000 There's no sound.

02:25:29.000 That's different.

02:25:29.000 I made that up.

02:25:30.000 Imagine if the girl was listening to all those guys jerking off simultaneously. 0.99

02:25:34.000 She's got 2,700 guys. 1.00

02:25:37.000 And you just hear, instead of an audience of cheering and laughing, you just hear 2,700 groans. 1.00

02:25:43.000 Oh, you fucking bitch. 1.00

02:25:46.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:25:47.000 Finger, asshole. 1.00

02:25:48.000 Blah. 1.00

02:25:49.000 Just 2,700 dudes. 0.56

02:25:51.000 All you could hear is them jacking off simultaneously.

02:25:57.000 I'm going to have to turn you down. 0.91

02:25:59.000 You're just a little too wild. 1.00

02:26:01.000 That would be so ridiculous. 0.99

02:26:03.000 That's coming, though. 0.95

02:26:04.000 That's coming.

02:26:05.000 Watch.

02:26:05.000 We're supposed to look at each other.

02:26:06.000 Stand up from your house, from your living room.

02:26:08.000 Joey could just sit there and smoke.

02:26:09.000 He's kind of doing that on Periscope without the sound.

02:26:12.000 Yeah.

02:26:12.000 Without the sound.

02:26:12.000 He gets those little hearts, though.

02:26:14.000 Did you watch the acid podcast?

02:26:17.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:26:17.000 No, I heard it was ridiculous. 0.97

02:26:18.000 They wanted me to do acid. 0.76

02:26:19.000 I wouldn't do it.

02:26:20.000 Why would you do it?

02:26:20.000 I didn't want to do it, man.

02:26:22.000 I'm not attracted to that kind of experience.

02:26:27.000 Acid?

02:26:28.000 Nah, that doesn't sound good to me.

02:26:29.000 What does it sound like to you?

02:26:31.000 It sounds like a horrible time.

02:26:32.000 No, I've heard it's great.

02:26:34.000 Duncan swears by it.

02:26:35.000 Maybe you should talk to Duncan about it.

02:26:36.000 I don't think I'm programmed for it.

02:26:38.000 Have you tried it?

02:26:39.000 When I was a kid.

02:26:41.000 It was like a synthetic mushroom feel.

02:26:44.000 I'd rather have the real mushrooms.

02:26:45.000 I'm down with mushrooms, but not...

02:26:48.000 A synthetic form of what's in mushrooms.

02:26:50.000 That's what I think it is.

02:26:50.000 I think LSD and acid is a synthetic form of mushrooms, right?

02:26:55.000 Am I guessing wrong?

02:26:55.000 Well, they're all similar.

02:26:57.000 They're similar.

02:26:58.000 A lot of the tryptamines, they share...

02:27:00.000 Psilocybin is really close to DMT. The way it synthesizes in the body, it's super close.

02:27:10.000 I'm going to butcher this, but it's NN... Dimethyltryptamine and I think, what is the psilocybin version of it?

02:27:20.000 4-Fox-4-Aloxy-NN-dimethyltryptamine, something like that.

02:27:24.000 Like it's real close.

02:27:25.000 It's like they're kissing cousins.

02:27:27.000 All those really powerful tryptamines, they're all like neighbors of each other.

02:27:32.000 It's very strange.

02:27:33.000 And they're all the closest to human neurochemistry.

02:27:35.000 One of the most fucked up things about the really powerful psychedelic drugs is the strongest ones, like mushrooms and like DMT. DMT is the strongest.

02:27:44.000 It's like an actual human neurotransmitter.

02:27:47.000 I mean, it's not even like an addition.

02:27:49.000 It's not even an addition to it.

02:27:51.000 It's actually produced in your own body.

02:27:52.000 That's the weirdest thing ever about drugs, that the strongest one we know of, your own body makes.

02:27:58.000 The fact that most people don't know that, the fact that most people know that Kanye West is married to Kim Kardashian, most people don't know that your brain produces the most powerful psychedelic drug that science has ever observed.

02:28:12.000 That's a nutty thing, man.

02:28:14.000 That is a weird, weird aspect of who we are as human beings.

02:28:19.000 What kind of a strange, waking up, infantile civilization we are.

02:28:23.000 In the middle of...

02:28:25.000 The greatest era of technological innovation ever.

02:28:30.000 Wi-Fi, the ability to download songs instantly on phones like we were talking about, the periscoping and fucking just insane ability to connect with each other at this day and age.

02:28:42.000 We still have illegal marijuana, illegal psychedelic drugs, illegal...

02:28:47.000 Bill Gates, or Steve Jobs said that LSD was what led him to create Apple.

02:28:52.000 He said it was like one of the most important moments of his life, was having an LSD trip.

02:28:56.000 There's so many problems in this world, so many different levels, coming from all different angles, from all different forms of life. 0.99

02:29:03.000 There's so much shit. 0.99

02:29:04.000 Everyone's trying to fight this, they're trying to fight that, they're into this, they're into that. 1.00

02:29:08.000 Everyone's got their own cause.

02:29:09.000 But if we all got together, And do what we did with weed and the legislation and all that stuff.

02:29:16.000 We did that with just one thing.

02:29:18.000 One thing.

02:29:19.000 We just focused all our power.

02:29:20.000 It would fix everything.

02:29:21.000 If we made it a law that every politician has to do ayahuasca. 0.98

02:29:27.000 If we did that...

02:29:29.000 That'll fix all the problems.

02:29:31.000 It would fix a lot.

02:29:32.000 Even if that's too much work, have them have one DMT trip a month while they're in office.

02:29:39.000 Everybody has to have a ceremony. 0.98

02:29:41.000 You get together and you meet with the elves and they tell you whether or not you're fucking up. 0.98

02:29:46.000 One law. 0.99

02:29:47.000 That's all. 0.97

02:29:48.000 Forget about all this other shit and we're scattering just one thing. 0.99

02:29:51.000 Make them do mushrooms or DMT. That's part of being a politician. 0.99

02:29:54.000 Just to make sure that the odds are that you'll have compassion for the people and not let your greed take over.

02:30:01.000 And be interviewed while you're under too.

02:30:03.000 You have to have proof.

02:30:04.000 You have to have a witness, and that's to be videotaped.

02:30:06.000 Put them under, then talk to them about life.

02:30:08.000 Yeah, have a shaman, flying all these guys from Peru.

02:30:11.000 Could you imagine if you did that to Dick Cheney?

02:30:14.000 Like dudes from Chile, they're going to fake like they're Peruvian. 1.00

02:30:16.000 There's going to be all these fake Peruvian, you know, big money, big money.

02:30:20.000 Now that's a big racket. 0.99

02:30:22.000 I hate to break it to you, but those leopard claws that dude has for earrings, them shits are plastic. 0.99

02:30:26.000 That's fake. 0.99

02:30:27.000 Homeboy's fake.

02:30:28.000 What leprechaun?

02:30:28.000 I'm saying.

02:30:29.000 Oh, yeah.

02:30:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:30:30.000 It's conspiracy theory.

02:30:32.000 They ship it in Mexicans. 1.00

02:30:34.000 It's just cheaper if we just fucking... 1.00

02:30:35.000 Mexican, Peruvian, they're the same. 1.00

02:30:39.000 But you can't...

02:30:40.000 Yeah, you gotta...

02:30:41.000 You know, they gotta kind of look Peruvian. 0.98

02:30:42.000 The ayahuasca in my country is the best.

02:30:45.000 You start bringing Brazilians in, right? 1.00

02:30:48.000 Everybody, pay attention.

02:30:49.000 But you know what?

02:30:50.000 Everybody gonna get their cup.

02:30:51.000 We're gonna put their cup.

02:30:52.000 Oh, just like that.

02:30:54.000 Nice.

02:30:55.000 Everybody.

02:30:55.000 Nice.

02:30:56.000 You're gonna see guatch.

02:30:57.000 My guatch.

02:30:58.000 My guatch is good.

02:31:00.000 Everything I do is for ayahuasca.

02:31:04.000 I fight for ayahuasca.

02:31:05.000 I live for ayahuasca.

02:31:07.000 That was terrible.

02:31:10.000 That would change the world, though.

02:31:11.000 It sounds like a joke, but that would.

02:31:13.000 One law. 0.98

02:31:13.000 Can you imagine if you could get Dick Cheney and get him fucked up on mushrooms and talk to him about life? 0.98

02:31:19.000 That would be worth so much money. 0.98

02:31:22.000 All these capitalist dudes, you want to make some real money, Donald Trump?

02:31:26.000 This is what you do.

02:31:27.000 You eat five grams of mushrooms on a webcam.

02:31:29.000 If Donald Trump was trying to raise money for his campaign, and that's what he said, that was his big...

02:31:35.000 That was his big gimmick.

02:31:37.000 He's going to take five grams of mushrooms on a webcam and just talk to Skype with people from all over the world and answer their questions about what he's going to do to fix the world.

02:31:46.000 His hair would light on fire.

02:31:48.000 Spontaneous combustion.

02:31:49.000 He'd probably shave his head halfway into the conversation.

02:31:51.000 I can't do this anymore.

02:31:54.000 He'd probably be like...

02:31:55.000 He'd be like, I've got cotton candy on my head. 0.98

02:31:58.000 I can't fucking hang with this anymore. 0.98

02:31:59.000 But I think that... 0.94

02:32:01.000 If you could do something like that and make it something that would be culturally acceptable. 0.88

02:32:06.000 It sounds ridiculous now. 1.00

02:32:08.000 We're going to send the fucking presidential candidates down to the jungle and make them do some drugs. 1.00

02:32:12.000 It sounds ridiculous, right? 1.00

02:32:14.000 But if there was a culturally... 0.55

02:32:15.000 It's only ridiculous because you have to leave the country, which doesn't make any sense.

02:32:19.000 If you do DMT, right, one of the things that you feel is that you're not even there.

02:32:24.000 You've entered into some completely different dimension.

02:32:28.000 Some alternative...

02:32:30.000 Co-existing universe is what it feels like you step into.

02:32:33.000 It doesn't matter if you do that in Peru or in Japan or on the moon.

02:32:38.000 It doesn't matter.

02:32:39.000 It doesn't matter.

02:32:40.000 Like, where you're going has nothing to do with where you are.

02:32:44.000 It really has nothing to do with it.

02:32:46.000 It's only because it's illegal that people are forced to go to these indigenous cultures and do it there.

02:32:50.000 If it was legal, you could have a shamanic retreat center in America, and people could go to a shamanic retreat center, and it could be treated just as respected as going to, you know, whatever, a psychiatrist, or just as respected as going to a fucking cancer doctor or an oncologist or anybody,

02:33:11.000 just getting your body checked out.

02:33:12.000 One of the only countries on the planet Where ayahuasca is praised and legal is the same country where they take a month off from work and party straight.

02:33:25.000 Where's that?

02:33:27.000 Brazil!

02:33:27.000 They take a month off.

02:33:29.000 Dude, Carnival!

02:33:30.000 They just party for a month.

02:33:31.000 Is it totally legal in Brazil?

02:33:32.000 Ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow. 1.00

02:33:33.000 It's totally legal. 1.00

02:33:35.000 The UN trying to impose some shit, and they're like, dude, fuck you. 1.00

02:33:38.000 You're not taking away our ayahuasca. 1.00

02:33:39.000 Damn, maybe we should move to Brazil. 0.99

02:33:41.000 Dude, think about that. 0.99

02:33:43.000 Dude, how long did it take us to learn Portuguese?

02:33:46.000 Do you think I could do stand-up if I learned Portuguese?

02:33:49.000 Are you going to do stand-up in Brazil?

02:33:50.000 So, like, have you ever thought about end-of-the-world scenarios?

02:33:52.000 Have you ever thought about, like, if Yellowstone blows up, where are you going to move?

02:33:55.000 Yes.

02:33:56.000 I'm moving to Brazil.

02:33:57.000 Either Brazil or Australia.

02:33:59.000 Those are the spots.

02:34:00.000 Australia would be way easier.

02:34:01.000 Everybody speaks English.

02:34:02.000 I just got to get used to the wrong side of the road or convince them to drive on the correct side of the road, which would probably be better.

02:34:08.000 That's how Americans think. 1.00

02:34:09.000 If I go to Australia, I'm going to tell them, listen, faggots, stop driving the left, drive on the right like a fucking normal... 1.00

02:34:15.000 We invented the car, okay? 1.00

02:34:17.000 Tenth Planet Florinopolis.

02:34:19.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:34:19.000 That's going to happen.

02:34:20.000 Why not?

02:34:21.000 But do you think... 1.00

02:34:23.000 Is it possible that you could see the shit hitting the fan and moving to another country? 1.00

02:34:27.000 Have you ever considered that? 1.00

02:34:28.000 Yes.

02:34:29.000 Where have you considered moving to?

02:34:33.000 Australia's nice.

02:34:34.000 Very nice.

02:34:34.000 When you live in, like, Melbourne's like Santa Monica.

02:34:36.000 I'm going there tomorrow for the first time.

02:34:38.000 Yeah.

02:34:38.000 My first time in Melbourne.

02:34:40.000 Sydney's really nice.

02:34:41.000 I love Sydney.

02:34:41.000 Sydney is awesome.

02:34:43.000 People are cool. 0.97

02:34:44.000 They are cool as fuck there. 0.92

02:34:46.000 They're real friendly. 0.99

02:34:47.000 Very westernized.

02:34:49.000 Very westernized.

02:34:49.000 Like, you could totally fit right in there.

02:34:52.000 Like, if you had to live in Sydney, or, that's the only place I've been, but I'd be like, yeah, that's just like living in a nice city in America where people have a cool accent.

02:35:00.000 Totally.

02:35:00.000 That would be it.

02:35:01.000 You know?

02:35:02.000 Did you go with me to Australia ever?

02:35:04.000 Did you ever do one of the UFC's out there?

02:35:06.000 Yes.

02:35:06.000 That's right.

02:35:07.000 Remember when we took over that bar and got blasted?

02:35:09.000 Yes.

02:35:10.000 Oh my god, dude. 0.97

02:35:11.000 You went nuts.

02:35:12.000 He bought the whole bar, drinks, and... 0.58

02:35:14.000 Oh my god.

02:35:15.000 Dude, we spent thousands of dollars.

02:35:18.000 We went crazy.

02:35:20.000 We just decided, it was me and Tommy Segura and Eddie, we had a whole day off.

02:35:25.000 So we went to see that Leonardo DiCaprio movie where they trick you, where he pretends, you know, it's all a dream.

02:35:32.000 Inception?

02:35:32.000 Yeah, whatever.

02:35:33.000 No, no, no, it was the other one.

02:35:35.000 Shutter Island?

02:35:35.000 Yeah, the island one.

02:35:37.000 Oh, yeah.

02:35:37.000 Remember, we were both mad.

02:35:38.000 All three of us were mad. 1.00

02:35:39.000 We were like, what the fuck? 1.00

02:35:40.000 You can't just do that. 1.00

02:35:41.000 Oh, it was just a dream, psych! 1.00

02:35:44.000 Just so stupid. 1.00

02:35:45.000 Fuck your dream. 1.00

02:35:46.000 No dreams were that perfect. 1.00

02:35:47.000 It was like one of the only times ever in my life that we just made a decision to get drunk.

02:35:55.000 Like, let's go get drunk.

02:35:56.000 Like, let's go to a bar. 1.00

02:35:57.000 Let's find a bar and get fucked up. 0.99

02:35:59.000 And we're like, yeah, let's do it. 1.00

02:36:01.000 We just all decided to go get fucked up. 0.99

02:36:03.000 Like, there was nothing else to do. 0.99

02:36:05.000 There was, you know, I didn't have a show until the next day.

02:36:08.000 So we went to this bar and just went off.

02:36:11.000 He just bought everybody drinks.

02:36:12.000 Everybody.

02:36:13.000 Just kept buying shots.

02:36:14.000 We bought hundreds of shots.

02:36:15.000 I don't even know how much money I spent.

02:36:17.000 It was insane.

02:36:18.000 We literally were just buying people drinks and high-fiving people and hugging people.

02:36:23.000 It was nuts.

02:36:25.000 It was nuts.

02:36:26.000 We stayed there for hours.

02:36:27.000 We were wrecked.

02:36:28.000 That was about as drunk as I've ever gotten as a grown man.

02:36:31.000 And then went back to the hotel room.

02:36:34.000 I think I threw up.

02:36:35.000 I don't remember.

02:36:35.000 And then the next day we had a show.

02:36:37.000 I think that was Joe Stevenson, George Sauteropolis.

02:36:40.000 Was it?

02:36:41.000 Yeah.

02:36:41.000 What was the main event?

02:36:43.000 That I don't know.

02:36:46.000 God, there's so many fights now.

02:36:47.000 It's crazy.

02:36:48.000 It's crazy how many fights there are. 1.00

02:36:50.000 I can't keep track of shit. 1.00

02:36:51.000 It's impossible. 1.00

02:36:52.000 Did you see Vitor just take out Dan Henderson again? 1.00

02:36:55.000 Damn. 1.00

02:36:56.000 Head kick. 1.00

02:36:57.000 Damn. 1.00

02:36:57.000 Who'd ever thought? 1.00

02:36:58.000 Who'd ever thought?

02:36:59.000 At one point, there was only one Brazilian that could box, and it was Vitor.

02:37:03.000 But Murillo could box too, and...

02:37:07.000 I think Henzo could box a little bit.

02:37:10.000 He had good, you know.

02:37:11.000 Vitor's kicks, though, they have changed his whole game.

02:37:14.000 Because Vitor's always had hand...

02:37:15.000 You know, Vitor's had like seven hand operations.

02:37:17.000 Yeah.

02:37:18.000 He's broken his hands like seven times.

02:37:20.000 So what do you think about...

02:37:23.000 Him being off TRT, what do you think about that?

02:37:26.000 Well, the reality is, okay, if he really needed it so bad that he said he needed it before, and it was a medical issue, his body was low on testosterone, and he had to take it.

02:37:40.000 And then he took it, and it was just destroying everybody.

02:37:43.000 It looked like a world beater. 0.98

02:37:44.000 Goddamn, remember when Vitor was... 0.97

02:37:46.000 You've got to think that he was probably fighting with low test for a long time. 0.88

02:37:50.000 Like the Matt Lindland days, and maybe even Sakuraba fight.

02:37:55.000 Low what?

02:37:55.000 Low test.

02:37:56.000 Low testosterone.

02:37:57.000 You think so?

02:37:57.000 Maybe.

02:37:58.000 Remember what he looked like when he was 19 against Randy Couture?

02:38:01.000 But, okay, that's true, but do you ever see what he looked like when he fought Rich Franklin?

02:38:05.000 He knocked out Rich Franklin, but go to Rich Franklin versus Vitor Belfort.

02:38:09.000 He's not as big?

02:38:10.000 No.

02:38:11.000 No.

02:38:11.000 He's smooth, dude.

02:38:12.000 He doesn't look shredded at all.

02:38:14.000 And he's still bombing on Rich Franklin.

02:38:17.000 He still had the skills and everything that he had, but I think it might have been one of the reasons why he fades so quickly.

02:38:23.000 One of the reasons why it's hard for him to sustain a hard pace without the TRT. And I think that a fight like the Dan Henderson fight points to the fact that he's still super dangerous.

02:38:33.000 He's got nasty skills and really fast as fuck, but he didn't do anything. 0.88

02:38:37.000 Look at him there. 0.99

02:38:39.000 That's him against Rich Franklin.

02:38:40.000 Look at his body.

02:38:41.000 I mean, he's like real smooth.

02:38:42.000 I mean, he doesn't look like a pipsqueak.

02:38:44.000 He still looks like an athlete for sure, but it doesn't look like Vitor in the TRT days. 0.97

02:38:49.000 Not even fucking close.

02:38:50.000 This is after TRT. No, this is before TRT. See, he fought like this, and then he fought Anderson, and then all the way, by the way, this is all after he tested positive for steroids, the first time he fought in Pride. 0.96

02:39:07.000 In Vegas, he tested positive for steroids when he fought, I think it was Dan Henderson.

02:39:11.000 He lost that fight, but he tested positive for something, some metabolite.

02:39:14.000 That was the UFC? No, that was Pride.

02:39:16.000 They don't test?

02:39:17.000 They did, when they were in Vegas.

02:39:19.000 They had the one show in the United States, they tested.

02:39:21.000 And that's the one show where Nick Diaz got popped for fighting Gomi, remember? 0.98

02:39:24.000 He got popped for weed, and Vitor got popped for steroids.

02:39:28.000 So when the side effect of using steroids, and this is one of the reasons why a lot of people are against testosterone replacement therapy for fighters, is that when you use steroids, your body stops producing testosterone on its own.

02:39:41.000 So you can get tested.

02:39:43.000 The steroids have since left your body, but your body's not, the endocrine system hasn't recovered yet.

02:39:47.000 So you go to the doctor and you go, hey man, I got really low testosterone.

02:39:50.000 And the doctor's like, we certainly do.

02:39:51.000 This is proof positive.

02:39:52.000 We have it here in the blood.

02:39:53.000 They do a blood test.

02:39:54.000 They get the results.

02:39:55.000 They put the results against the commission.

02:39:56.000 And they say, hey, this guy needs tests.

02:39:59.000 And so they give him a testosterone use exemption, a TUE. And that was what all these fighters were getting.

02:40:05.000 But the complaints from the people that were clean or wanted everybody to be clean, allegedly were clean, I should say, Was that the only reason why these guys have low tests in their early 30s, like, you know, some of these guys, like, they had a guy that was 25 that was on testosterone replacement.

02:40:19.000 And he looked like a tank.

02:40:21.000 The only way a guy would need this at that age is if he abused his system. 0.99

02:40:26.000 If he took testosterone and fucked up his endocrine system. 0.54

02:40:29.000 So that was, like, the big argument against the testosterone use exemption. 0.63

02:40:33.000 So if you look at him right there, now pull up Vitor Belfort versus Luke Rockhold and This is a totally different animal.

02:40:41.000 I mean, this is like two years later, right?

02:40:44.000 And he doesn't look remotely like the same guy. 0.99

02:40:48.000 I mean, he looks like a goddamn... 0.99

02:40:49.000 This was at the weigh-ins, by the way. 1.00

02:40:51.000 The weigh-ins...

02:40:52.000 Go up where he's throwing that wheel kick.

02:40:54.000 Right there.

02:40:54.000 Bam!

02:40:55.000 Look at the fucking difference in his build! 1.00

02:40:59.000 Dude! 1.00

02:41:00.000 I mean, what the fuck?! 1.00

02:41:03.000 This is the same weight class, okay? 0.99

02:41:05.000 But he looks like he's, fuck, at least 10 pounds of muscle bigger. 0.98

02:41:10.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:41:10.000 Completely shredded. 0.99

02:41:11.000 Look at that.

02:41:12.000 10 pounds of muscle more.

02:41:13.000 What fight was that?

02:41:13.000 Luke Rockhold?

02:41:14.000 Yep.

02:41:14.000 That's after he smashed Luke Rockhold.

02:41:16.000 And so he was on TRT here?

02:41:17.000 Yes.

02:41:18.000 He was shot. 1.00

02:41:20.000 Damn. 0.99

02:41:20.000 Well, I think Vitor on TRT is one of the scariest fighters the MMA world has ever seen. 0.99

02:41:29.000 It's crazy that he's still fighting and at that level.

02:41:31.000 And at the highest level.

02:41:32.000 He's the only guy left.

02:41:33.000 Nope.

02:41:33.000 Yeah.

02:41:34.000 Him and Josh Barnett.

02:41:35.000 I would have loved to have seen Vitor like this, TRT Vitor versus Weidman, TRT Vitor versus Anderson Silva.

02:41:42.000 I would have loved to see it.

02:41:44.000 I understand that it's not fair, and I wouldn't expect Weidman to take that fight if he knew that Vitor was on TRT. I wouldn't expect it, but goddamn, I would have loved to have seen it. 0.95

02:41:52.000 And no way Luke Rockhold is on TRT. No way, right? 0.98

02:41:56.000 Well, you can never say no way because guys have tested positive that looked absolutely like shit. 1.00

02:42:01.000 You never know because they look like shit and the testosterone makes them look a little bit better or whatever they're taking makes them look a little bit better. 1.00

02:42:08.000 Whose arm is bigger? 1.00

02:42:08.000 Look at his arm and then look at Vito's arm. 1.00

02:42:10.000 Well, Rook Rockhold, first of all, is taller.

02:42:12.000 So if he's going to weigh the same amount, he's going to have less muscle.

02:42:14.000 There's just no way around it.

02:42:16.000 It'll be longer and he gets a lot of leverage. 0.98

02:42:18.000 Damn, look at Vito's arm right there. 1.00

02:42:19.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:42:19.000 Oh my god, he's so jacked. 1.00

02:42:20.000 Looks like Mark Kerr. 1.00

02:42:21.000 But Luke Rockhold is a fucking savage. 1.00

02:42:24.000 I mean, that dude's a stud. 0.99

02:42:26.000 He's one of the toughest guys in the sport and real smart, real technical, but TRT Vitor ran him over. 0.99

02:42:34.000 TRT Vitor wheel kicked him in the fucking head and beat him down and he beat down Dan Henderson like that. 0.98

02:42:39.000 He knocked out Michael Bisping with a head kick and fucked his eye up permanently. 0.99

02:42:44.000 Michael Bisping's eye is permanently disfigured because of Vitor kicking him in the head. 0.97

02:42:49.000 This is, like, he's one of the scariest guys in the history of the sport when he was on TRT. It was like a four-fight run where he was just fucking smashing people. 0.97

02:42:58.000 And the Dan Anderson fight was one of the most devastating. 0.98

02:43:00.000 Because it wasn't just the kick. 0.96

02:43:02.000 He had uncorked a fucking left uppercut before that kick, hurt him real bad, and then head kicked him and knocked him out. 0.99

02:43:08.000 He was fucking terrifying when he was on TRT. So he's more tentative now. 0.99

02:43:13.000 He didn't do a single thing for the first two minutes in this fight.

02:43:17.000 He literally didn't throw a punch or a kick.

02:43:19.000 He just circled for two minutes.

02:43:21.000 And then Dan threw a couple inside leg kicks.

02:43:24.000 There was a couple little whiffs.

02:43:26.000 Nothing really connected.

02:43:27.000 And then Vitor just uncorks that head kick.

02:43:31.000 So the question is, when you look at Vitor now, he definitely looks better in this fight than he did in the Weidman fight.

02:43:37.000 He looked more built, but he still didn't look like he looked when he was on TRT. Look at that shot down where he's punching Dan Henderson in the head.

02:43:45.000 Look at that. 1.00

02:43:46.000 Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00

02:43:48.000 Look at the build on him, dude. 1.00

02:43:50.000 He looks like a lion.

02:43:52.000 Look at his neck. 1.00

02:43:53.000 Look at the fucking traps on this guy when he's throwing this punch. 0.99

02:43:57.000 And he's connecting perfectly on Dan Henderson's jaw in that shot. 0.99

02:44:00.000 That is a classic picture. 0.94

02:44:03.000 He was a monster, dude.

02:44:05.000 But the question is, what is he doing now? 0.85

02:44:08.000 If he needed testosterone replacement before, how is he...

02:44:12.000 How has his body recovered like this?

02:44:14.000 Has he figured out some nutritional way to get around it?

02:44:18.000 Or is he figuring out some undetectable way to use?

02:44:22.000 No one knows.

02:44:23.000 We're not going to know unless he gets caught.

02:44:25.000 Based on what his body looked like in his last fight against Dan Henderson, do you think his body looks like he's not on it?

02:44:32.000 He definitely doesn't look like...

02:44:34.000 Tim Kennedy said it his best.

02:44:36.000 He said it doesn't look like Vitor is using as many steroids.

02:44:41.000 Kennedy's hilarious.

02:44:41.000 He said he wanted to fight the slow...

02:44:43.000 I'm interested in a fight, he said, with the slower, fatter Vitor.

02:44:46.000 Yeah, meanwhile, it looks like he does steroids, too.

02:44:48.000 Well, he's a tank.

02:44:50.000 Yeah, I know. 1.00

02:44:51.000 I'm not saying he does, but fuck, he's yoked. 1.00

02:44:53.000 He's yoked. 1.00

02:44:54.000 Damn! 1.00

02:44:54.000 He's 5'10". 1.00

02:44:55.000 He walks around at 220 pounds.

02:44:57.000 I'm not saying he does steroids, but I'm saying if he got out, I wouldn't be like, oh my god!

02:45:01.000 I know, right?

02:45:02.000 Well, you know... 1.00

02:45:04.000 Who the fuck knows? 0.99

02:45:05.000 Who knows who's doing it and who's not doing it? 0.99

02:45:08.000 I'm a fan of his, though, by the way.

02:45:09.000 Tim Kennedy?

02:45:10.000 That was a compliment.

02:45:11.000 You know what I mean?

02:45:12.000 That was a compliment.

02:45:13.000 I think, you know...

02:45:16.000 I just did it.

02:45:16.000 Did that, you know.

02:45:17.000 Why don't I say it?

02:45:18.000 You gotta fix that, bro.

02:45:20.000 I think like...

02:45:21.000 Can you control what we see?

02:45:24.000 Or is he controlling it?

02:45:25.000 We can do it if we set it up.

02:45:27.000 I can connect to Apple TV. I think that's the future for you, man.

02:45:29.000 You can just... 1.00

02:45:30.000 Because you're really good at looking through shit. 0.99

02:45:32.000 Yeah, but it's distracting. 0.99

02:45:34.000 It's better to have Jamie do it because I like to engage with the person I'm talking to. 0.99

02:45:37.000 I don't want to look down and type shit in. 0.89

02:45:39.000 I do that occasionally, but I think it's best we figure out a rhythm. 0.99

02:45:43.000 Oh, yeah.

02:45:45.000 I get it.

02:45:46.000 Figured out how to do this shit. 1.00

02:45:48.000 So Rhonda's fighting in Australia in front of 70,000 people this weekend. 1.00

02:45:53.000 That's for sure?

02:45:54.000 70?

02:45:55.000 Yeah.

02:45:55.000 Well, they had sold, like, as of a couple weeks ago, there were already, like, 50,000 tickets sold.

02:46:00.000 Remember those people who thought women's MMA would never make it?

02:46:03.000 How about Dana?

02:46:04.000 There were so many people.

02:46:05.000 Dana didn't think so.

02:46:06.000 It has to be someone like her, though.

02:46:07.000 What's interesting is, like, Ioana, the strawweight champion, she's, like, scarier than Ronda.

02:46:14.000 When she beats people up, she smashes her face in.

02:46:16.000 Yeah, you know, for me, and I think...

02:46:21.000 I think?

02:46:38.000 So it looked like, man, girls really can't fight. 1.00

02:46:42.000 I even doubted it.

02:46:43.000 But that one time in Vegas where we went, I forget what show it was.

02:46:46.000 It was tough enough.

02:46:47.000 It was tough enough. 0.99

02:46:48.000 And there were some girls going, I'm like, holy shit! 1.00

02:46:50.000 We had so much fun. 0.98

02:46:52.000 Right there, that's when I became pro-female MMA. That's when I thought, like, wow, people like watching girls pull their hair and scratch each other. 1.00

02:47:02.000 We like watching that.

02:47:03.000 We'll watch that in a second.

02:47:04.000 Big, you know...

02:47:06.000 We watch it on World Star Hip Hop all the time.

02:47:08.000 We went there to see Nick the Goat Thompson fight.

02:47:10.000 Remember?

02:47:11.000 He was the main event.

02:47:12.000 That's right.

02:47:13.000 Yeah.

02:47:13.000 Nick Thompson, that's right.

02:47:15.000 Interesting, too.

02:47:15.000 I forget who that girl was.

02:47:16.000 Super smart guy.

02:47:17.000 He was like a law student.

02:47:18.000 The chick had legit jiu-jitsu. 1.00

02:47:20.000 That's the first time I saw legit...

02:47:23.000 Jiu-Jitsu in a women's MMA fight.

02:47:26.000 I don't know, it was like 2000, 98, 98. And then what Jeff Osborn did, he's the original Invicta.

02:47:33.000 Yeah, hook and shoot.

02:47:34.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:47:36.000 Well, Osborn put on Eve Edwards versus Aaron Riley in like 96 or some shit, right? 0.53

02:47:46.000 When was that fight?

02:47:47.000 I don't remember the year, but it was...

02:47:49.000 Like 99, maybe?

02:47:50.000 The same era of Mecca, and remember the Valley Tudo? 1.00

02:47:55.000 Yeah.

02:47:55.000 What was it?

02:47:56.000 IBC? Yeah.

02:47:56.000 Remember those days?

02:47:57.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

02:47:58.000 The Pedro? 1.00

02:47:58.000 Remember the Pedro? 1.00

02:48:00.000 That's like...

02:48:01.000 You know, talking about those days, it's like in metal, that's the equivalent to the German thrash scene.

02:48:06.000 It's just like that.

02:48:07.000 Remember that Mecca and IVC? Most people don't know what that is.

02:48:11.000 Do you remember that dude, the Pedro?

02:48:12.000 Yeah! 1.00

02:48:13.000 Remember when Gary Goodrich reached down in his pants and grabbed his dick? 1.00

02:48:16.000 Yeah, I made his... 1.00

02:48:16.000 Gary Goodrich reached down and crushed this guy's balls in his hands. 1.00

02:48:20.000 With his feet. 1.00

02:48:21.000 With his feet.

02:48:22.000 In his hands, too, though, right?

02:48:23.000 He did it with his feet.

02:48:24.000 Only with his feet?

02:48:25.000 I tell you what, Eddie Bravo.

02:48:28.000 I turned his nuts into peanut butter.

02:48:32.000 That's what he said, word for word.

02:48:34.000 See if you can find that.

02:48:35.000 The Pedro versus Gary Goodridge nut shot.

02:48:39.000 The Pedro versus Gary Goodridge nut smash. 0.98

02:48:45.000 Yeah, testicle crunch. 0.96

02:48:47.000 He loved it. 0.98

02:48:48.000 You were allowed to do that back in the day.

02:48:50.000 You were allowed to grab the ropes.

02:48:51.000 Remember Keith Hackney versus Joseon?

02:48:53.000 Had Joseon at side control.

02:48:54.000 Joseon held onto the headlock.

02:48:56.000 It was before the Von Flute choke was invented. 0.99

02:48:58.000 He was punching his balls. 0.99

02:48:59.000 And he's just wailing on his balls. 1.00

02:49:01.000 Wailing on his balls. 1.00

02:49:02.000 That's the new era. 0.99

02:49:03.000 Eventually, it's going to be MMA where balls are legal. 1.00

02:49:06.000 Goddamn. 0.99

02:49:06.000 When the balls are in play, the game changes. 0.99

02:49:09.000 Remember when we had that sketch we were trying to do for the man show?

02:49:12.000 That was a real extreme sack fighting.

02:49:13.000 That's the next level. 0.95

02:49:14.000 And Bobby Lee was going to be the champ because he had the littlest balls.

02:49:16.000 Dude, you make ball shots legal in MMA, it changes everything.

02:49:24.000 You don't keep your hands up, you keep your hands low.

02:49:27.000 Okay, what's going on here?

02:49:28.000 What do you see?

02:49:30.000 I found a knee to the... 1.00

02:49:31.000 No, he like grabbed his balls. 0.99

02:49:35.000 I didn't see that. 1.00

02:49:36.000 Extreme sacrifice.

02:49:37.000 He might have not remembered it right, honestly.

02:49:39.000 I kind of remember him doing it with his hands.

02:49:41.000 No, he does it with his feet.

02:49:42.000 It's with his feet.

02:49:44.000 This is Gary Goodrich in Pride.

02:49:47.000 That's in Pride.

02:49:47.000 It's definitely not it.

02:49:49.000 It's not in that either.

02:49:50.000 That's Pedro Hizzo.

02:49:52.000 It's actually The Pedro.

02:49:53.000 That's what I typed in up here.

02:49:54.000 You typed in The Pedro.

02:49:55.000 Yeah, you know, it might be one of those ones where nobody has it.

02:49:59.000 Yeah, here we go.

02:50:00.000 Gary Goodrich.

02:50:00.000 Go down to The Pedro, the fourth one down.

02:50:03.000 Click on that.

02:50:05.000 Let's see if this is it.

02:50:06.000 This is The Pedro.

02:50:07.000 This is it.

02:50:09.000 But this is him, but that's not Gary Goodrich.

02:50:11.000 He's fighting.

02:50:11.000 That's somebody else.

02:50:12.000 Oh, this is a highlight reel of the Pedro.

02:50:14.000 And you know what?

02:50:15.000 He's not going to show that.

02:50:16.000 He might.

02:50:17.000 He might just say, look at this.

02:50:18.000 Man, I want to know about that guy.

02:50:19.000 I want to know about the Pedro.

02:50:21.000 That guy was a...

02:50:22.000 He was like...

02:50:24.000 He's a pioneer.

02:50:25.000 Yeah, man.

02:50:26.000 Look at all these old school nets.

02:50:28.000 They used to put nets around the ring.

02:50:30.000 People don't know about the Pedro.

02:50:32.000 Well, they used to fight in rings. 0.99

02:50:33.000 People don't know that Chuck Liddell fought fucking... 0.99

02:50:38.000 Pele. 1.00

02:50:39.000 Pele.

02:50:40.000 Jose Landy. 0.99

02:50:41.000 Jose Pele Landy Johns, who was, at the time, the baddest motherfucker from Shootbox. 0.99

02:50:47.000 Pele was a beast, man. 0.99

02:50:49.000 When he was young, he was devastating.

02:50:51.000 He was like the leader of the Shootbox crew, and he was one of the best. 0.99

02:50:55.000 And Chuck Liddell fought him, no rules, with fucking bare knuckles. 0.99

02:50:59.000 That's a wild-ass fight. 0.98

02:51:01.000 All you UFC fanatics that are under 30, I mean, you gotta know your history.

02:51:05.000 You gotta go back and study.

02:51:07.000 To us, it's like studying the 30s and the 40s.

02:51:10.000 You know what I mean?

02:51:10.000 We gotta go back, look at the 60s.

02:51:13.000 You gotta look at that old school stuff, son. 1.00

02:51:15.000 Yeah, that's the real shit. 1.00

02:51:16.000 You gotta understand how the masters did it. 1.00

02:51:17.000 IVC, and what was the other one called?

02:51:20.000 Remember when Marco lost?

02:51:21.000 Federico La Penda.

02:51:22.000 He was the first Dana White.

02:51:24.000 Oh yeah, that's right.

02:51:24.000 What was his organization called?

02:51:26.000 It was either IVC or Mecca. 0.99

02:51:29.000 And they still have Jungle Fight.

02:51:30.000 It was two dudes.

02:51:31.000 It was Fabrico La Penda and then there was another guy.

02:51:34.000 That's some serious...

02:51:35.000 That was late 90s MMA. Bare knuckle.

02:51:39.000 How about when Marco Huas fought Oleg Taktarov in a hotel in Brazil?

02:51:43.000 They had like a chandelier above the ring.

02:51:46.000 They fought in a ring.

02:51:47.000 I don't remember that one.

02:51:48.000 Bare knuckle.

02:51:49.000 Yeah, I had it on VHS. It's the most ridiculous scenario. 0.98

02:51:53.000 Is it real? 0.99

02:51:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:51:56.000 They fought bare knuckle. 0.96

02:51:57.000 It was like a slow, methodical...

02:51:59.000 Find...

02:52:01.000 Find that.

02:52:02.000 Marco Huas versus Oleg Taktarov.

02:52:07.000 They fought in Brazil.

02:52:08.000 It's in a ring.

02:52:09.000 And they have this ridiculous chandelier above the ring. 0.78

02:52:13.000 You're looking at this chandelier. 1.00

02:52:14.000 What the fuck is this? 1.00

02:52:15.000 Where are you? 1.00

02:52:16.000 Second name.

02:52:17.000 Marco Huas.

02:52:18.000 Oleg Taktarov.

02:52:20.000 He was one of the original fighters in the UFC, the first ever that I had ever heard of Sambo before.

02:52:25.000 I'd never even heard of it before.

02:52:26.000 This guy was throwing up these leg locks.

02:52:28.000 It's hilarious when you look at it like, we thought Oleg Taktarov was a leg lock master.

02:52:33.000 You compare him to someone like Eddie Cummings, and you look at how the leg lock game has changed in 20 years.

02:52:39.000 It's just radically changed. 0.99

02:52:42.000 People have figured out all these crazy new ways to control and enter, and we used to think that Oleg Taktarov was the shit. 1.00

02:52:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:52:49.000 He's a tough prick. 1.00

02:52:50.000 Remember when Henzo upkicked him and knocked him out? 0.98

02:52:53.000 He just went back starts.

02:52:54.000 That was World Combat Championships, right?

02:52:56.000 The WCC or something like that?

02:52:58.000 That was the same one where Tom Erickson fought Murillo Bustamante for like 90 minutes. 0.99

02:53:03.000 Oh shit, that's right. 0.98

02:53:05.000 Remember that? 0.99

02:53:05.000 Yeah, and Tom Erickson was like 300 pounds. 0.99

02:53:08.000 He was a beast, dude.

02:53:09.000 He was 280. He was giant.

02:53:11.000 Tom Erickson was the first male, not male, but heavyweight, unbeatable force.

02:53:19.000 Tom Erickson came along.

02:53:20.000 He came along.

02:53:21.000 Heath Herring did.

02:53:22.000 Heath Herring took his back.

02:53:23.000 In pride.

02:53:24.000 He got tired.

02:53:25.000 Tom got tired.

02:53:26.000 Yeah, this is it.

02:53:27.000 Like, look where they are. 0.99

02:53:28.000 They're in a fucking... 0.99

02:53:29.000 Like, some angles you get to see... 0.99

02:53:32.000 Like, I guess, actually, that thing above their head, there's this crazy, like...

02:53:39.000 It's hard to see it from this angle.

02:53:40.000 Dude, I forgot all about this fight.

02:53:41.000 Look at this.

02:53:41.000 Look at this fight.

02:53:42.000 This is crazy.

02:53:42.000 Oh, he takes half.

02:53:43.000 Just landed some good shots.

02:53:44.000 Bare knuckle.

02:53:45.000 And how long does this one go for?

02:53:46.000 Oh, it was a long-ass fight.

02:53:48.000 This looks like 30 minutes, it says.

02:53:50.000 But they fought in like a conference hall, man.

02:53:53.000 This is after they had both left the UFC. It looks like a place where you have two big fights.

02:53:58.000 Yeah, see?

02:53:58.000 Look at that.

02:53:58.000 Look at the ceiling.

02:53:59.000 Look at that fucking chandelier. 1.00

02:54:01.000 What is that? 1.00

02:54:02.000 That's cool.

02:54:03.000 It's bizarre.

02:54:04.000 Oh! 0.60

02:54:05.000 Oh, like, throwing down.

02:54:07.000 Oh, look, just tagged him.

02:54:08.000 I mean, like, we thought, like, Marco Huas at the time was, like, a world-class striker, you know?

02:54:13.000 It's interesting.

02:54:14.000 Back then he was.

02:54:15.000 Well, he was really good for MMA. He was really good at a bunch of different things.

02:54:18.000 But if you compared him back then to a guy like Andy Hoog, who was fighting K-1 at the same time, who was a real world-class striker, or a guy like Jerome LeBanner, or, you know...

02:54:30.000 Peter Ertz. 0.95

02:54:31.000 It's a big fucking difference. 0.98

02:54:33.000 Marco Huas, first guy to use leg kicks successfully in the UFC. Paul Varlins. 0.98

02:54:37.000 Chopped down the fucking polar bear. 1.00

02:54:39.000 Another classic fighter. 1.00

02:54:40.000 Another one.

02:54:40.000 You youngsters, watch Paul Varlins and Marco Huas, man.

02:54:44.000 Paul Varlins was the first pigeon-toed giant American male to fight in the UFC, too.

02:54:48.000 Giant.

02:54:49.000 There's been a couple of those.

02:54:50.000 Remember his style?

02:54:53.000 I don't remember what he had.

02:54:54.000 Trap fighting.

02:54:55.000 Is that what they called it?

02:54:56.000 Oh my god.

02:54:57.000 He's a master of trap fighting.

02:54:59.000 A lot of those guys had some crazy...

02:55:00.000 Eve Edwards takes the cake though. 0.96

02:55:02.000 Thug Jitsu.

02:55:03.000 Yeah.

02:55:03.000 Thug Jitsu master.

02:55:05.000 That's still his Twitter handle, which is funny now because he's an analyst for Fox.

02:55:10.000 And his Twitter handle is Thug Jitsu. 0.99

02:55:14.000 He might have to change his shit. 0.99

02:55:16.000 He's a really good analyst, man. 1.00

02:55:18.000 He was on UFC, Inside, or whatever the fuck it is. 0.96

02:55:21.000 Really? 0.62

02:55:21.000 Yeah, he was on After the Fights, analyzing the fights, breaking down the fights this past weekend, the V Tour. 0.62

02:55:27.000 I didn't know he was still on the roster.

02:55:29.000 Yeah, well, he's doing analyst work now.

02:55:32.000 So he's not fighting?

02:55:33.000 No, he's retired.

02:55:34.000 He's retired from fighting. 0.98

02:55:35.000 But his analysis was really fucking good, man. 0.99

02:55:38.000 Wow. 0.98

02:55:39.000 The Anthony Berchak-Thomas Almeida fight, he was excellent in that.

02:55:43.000 Excellent.

02:55:44.000 Yeah, he's very good, dude.

02:55:45.000 What, did he commentate it?

02:55:46.000 No.

02:55:47.000 After the fight, he broke down what happened.

02:55:50.000 Oh.

02:55:50.000 You know, he broke down.

02:55:51.000 And then they'll talk about, like, what guys have to do in order to win the fight and what their best strategies are.

02:55:55.000 He's very smooth, man.

02:55:57.000 Very good.

02:55:58.000 I mean, you know, Eves fought, like we said, back in the hook-and-shoot days when he fought Aaron Riley, which was like the 90s.

02:56:03.000 He's been around for so long.

02:56:05.000 I mean, he's got so much information in his head.

02:56:12.000 We're good to go.

02:56:28.000 Those are the best analysts.

02:56:29.000 Dominic Cruz, he's one of my favorites too.

02:56:31.000 He's super smooth.

02:56:33.000 And also, Dominic is just really hard to hit, man.

02:56:36.000 He's not a guy that gets hit a lot.

02:56:39.000 A big part of what he does is avoid damage.

02:56:42.000 He's very smart like that.

02:56:44.000 You very rarely see that guy in a crazy slugfest.

02:56:48.000 So because of that, I bet he'll have a long career in being an analyst after he's done fighting too.

02:56:55.000 It's amazing that there's so many football analysts after all the head trauma they go through.

02:56:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:57:00.000 I think they just pump those dudes filled with Adderall and steroids and wind up their ass and just push them out there. 1.00

02:57:06.000 Get it! 1.00

02:57:07.000 Who knows?

02:57:08.000 Is there something that you can take?

02:57:10.000 Out there that's on the black market that just makes your brain healthier.

02:57:13.000 Mushrooms.

02:57:14.000 There you go.

02:57:14.000 Yeah, for real.

02:57:15.000 For real.

02:57:16.000 Mushrooms is supposedly, psilocybin is one of the few things that's supposed to be able to regenerate neurons.

02:57:21.000 Whether or not that's true, I don't know.

02:57:22.000 Oh, I thought you were joking.

02:57:23.000 No, I read that.

02:57:23.000 Amber Lyons?

02:57:24.000 I read stuff like that, and then I close my laptop.

02:57:27.000 Because I don't even want to know the details.

02:57:29.000 I'm just going to start repeating this.

02:57:31.000 Yeah.

02:57:32.000 You know?

02:57:33.000 I don't know if it's true.

02:57:33.000 When was the last time you talked to Amber Lyons?

02:57:35.000 I emailed her really recently.

02:57:37.000 She's gone on some wild trip all around the world.

02:57:40.000 Is she still psilocybin?

02:57:41.000 Oh, she's doing everything, man.

02:57:43.000 What do you got?

02:57:44.000 What do you got?

02:57:44.000 She's doing it.

02:57:45.000 She's trying out shit in all these indigenous cultures, traveling all over the world, writing about it. 1.00

02:57:49.000 Dude, the first time she was on your podcast, she was all business. 1.00

02:57:52.000 It was all that reporting CNN shit. 0.99

02:57:55.000 It had nothing to do. 0.98

02:57:56.000 And during that podcast, you started talking about mushrooms, and you were going off, and you You broke it all down, and she's sitting there, and she was in a real bad spot in her life. 0.99

02:58:05.000 Like, her life was falling apart at that point, and she just decided, fuck it. 0.97

02:58:10.000 I'm going to Peru, or wherever she went in South America. 1.00

02:58:12.000 By herself.

02:58:13.000 One sock.

02:58:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:58:15.000 She didn't take shit. 1.00

02:58:16.000 She just went. 1.00

02:58:17.000 She comes back, and she's like a crusader for...

02:58:20.000 Weird, huh?

02:58:21.000 Psilocybin. 1.00

02:58:22.000 Crazy shit, son. 1.00

02:58:23.000 It's insane, man. 1.00

02:58:24.000 I know.

02:58:24.000 Sometimes you find the right people.

02:58:26.000 We got one minute.

02:58:27.000 Jesus Christ, Eddie Bravo.

02:58:28.000 It's over.

02:58:29.000 Jesus Christ.

02:58:29.000 Well, let's do another one before EBI, the next EBI, which is December 15th.

02:58:34.000 Is that right?

02:58:34.000 Sunday, December 13th.

02:58:36.000 Downtown LA. You can order it on pay-per-view at budovideos.com slash EBI. Five.

02:58:44.000 And so that will be the weekend after the UFC. Yeah, right after Conor McGregor.

02:58:48.000 Oh, perfect!

02:58:49.000 That's the next day.

02:58:50.000 Perfect. 0.99

02:58:51.000 Downtown, bitches. 1.00

02:58:52.000 Show starts at 5 o'clock. 0.98

02:58:53.000 You can get your tickets at Ticketmaster.

02:58:55.000 It's a 16-man submission-only tournament.

02:58:58.000 It's the deepest...

02:59:13.000 This is seriously, every show gets harder and harder to win.

02:59:17.000 Winner take all, $20,000 possible.

02:59:20.000 The winner has to win four matches.

02:59:22.000 He gets paid $5,000 for each match he wins in regulation.

02:59:27.000 What's the website?

02:59:29.000 Real quick, because we're out of time.

02:59:32.000 EddieBravoInvitational.com That's it!

02:59:34.000 EddieBravo on Twitter. 1.00

02:59:34.000 We'll see you fuckers. 1.00

02:59:35.000 I'll see you when I get back from Australia. 1.00

02:59:37.000 Holla! 1.00

02:59:39.000 Thank you, sir.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 11, 2015

Joe Rogan Experience #721 - Eddie Bravo

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