The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #750 - Kip Andersen, Keegan Kuhn

00:00:00.000 Oh hello fuckers, what's up?

00:00:02.000 This episode of the podcast so appropriately is brought to you by Blue Apron When you find out what this podcast is about you're gonna be like what the fuck Joe?

00:00:17.000 Exactly.

00:00:18.000 Um let me say before I even do these ads because I just did the podcast with the gentleman that made the documentary Cowspiracy and enjoy it.

00:00:34.000 It was a really good conversation.

00:00:36.000 I enjoyed talking to them.

00:00:37.000 I think they're very cool guys but I did not have an opposing point of view that was represented on the show.

00:00:47.000 Now some people from the National Cattleman's Beef Association contacted me and they sent me an email saying that these guys their statistics are wrong.

00:00:58.000 Jamie pulled up a bunch of stuff.

00:01:01.000 What was it Jamie?

00:01:02.000 What was it exactly?

00:01:04.000 Some water numbers and some other things.

00:01:06.000 The water numbers that they had quoted about how much water it takes to make a cheeseburger was apparently.

00:01:13.000 Yeah, just in general, water, livestock, agriculture numbers were just a little off.

00:01:17.000 And how were they off in what way?

00:01:18.000 Just the claims.

00:01:21.000 I found some information from the U.S. government's website, which they were linking to.

00:01:26.000 And it said that they were claiming 65 to 50% of national water usage or something like that.

00:01:33.000 Right.

00:01:33.000 For animal.

00:01:35.000 It just says it's like under 7% and it's down every year since 1970.

00:01:40.000 This is from the same website that they're quoting.

00:01:43.000 Okay.

00:01:44.000 I don't know who's right, but I enjoy talking to these guys.

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00:03:16.000 Obviously, that's a vegetarian option.

00:03:18.000 Here's a vegan option.

00:03:19.000 Winter squash and baby kale quesadillas with queso, waka, I don't know what that is, waksa and sunny side up eggs.

00:03:26.000 That must be a vegetarian, right?

00:03:27.000 That must be a vegetarian option.

00:03:30.000 This one, Thai curried cauliflower steaks with black rice and Thai basil.

00:03:35.000 Okay, that's vegan.

00:03:37.000 Vegetarian versus vegan.

00:03:40.000 Here's another one.

00:03:40.000 Butternut squatch and poblano chili with toasted papitas and charred lime.

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00:07:21.000 Now, as I said, these guys who are on the podcast, they made an excellent documentary.

00:07:21.000 All right.

00:07:26.000 It's called Cowspiracy.

00:07:29.000 I think it is my responsibility whenever interviewing people like this, and this is something that has sort of been forced upon me over the last few years of having controversial guests, is to try to at least play devil's advocate when I can, although I'm not that qualified to do that in this regard, but I try to do it a little bit.

00:07:50.000 But I think what's really important, there's a lot of undeniable stuff that they brought up that I think affects all of us.

00:07:58.000 And I think in that regard, regardless of the arguments, pro and con and a lot of the things that these people are saying they got wrong and whether or not they did, there's some undeniable shit involved in our connection with food.

00:08:13.000 And I am fascinated by that as a person.

00:08:17.000 And as a person who has a podcast where I can spread information, I'm fascinated by it.

00:08:25.000 Fascinated by it.

00:08:26.000 I think these guys are on to a lot.

00:08:28.000 I think their documentary is very important.

00:08:31.000 But like all documentaries, Google it and find out what you believe and what you don't believe yourself.

00:08:39.000 But I enjoyed it.

00:08:40.000 I enjoyed their documentary.

00:08:41.000 I enjoyed talking to them.

00:08:43.000 They were very cool guys.

00:08:44.000 And I think everybody should watch it because I think this discussion is an important discussion.

00:08:51.000 And it's one that we really aren't having enough, not just in this country, but in the world.

00:08:57.000 So without any further ado, I was done with it.

00:09:02.000 I was done with it.

00:09:02.000 I had decided today.

00:09:04.000 Someone even tweeted me today.

00:09:05.000 Not even just one person.

00:09:06.000 A couple of people tweeted me.

00:09:07.000 Don't say without any further ado.

00:09:09.000 And I was planning on listening, but I fucked it up.

00:09:12.000 I'm sorry, folks.

00:09:13.000 I'm sorry.

00:09:14.000 Next week, we'll get it right.

00:09:16.000 They found Nibureu.

00:09:17.000 You hear about that?

00:09:18.000 They found the fucking 10th planet.

00:09:20.000 It's real, you fucks.

00:09:20.000 They did.

00:09:22.000 All you people that hated on me for believing Zachariah Sitchin.

00:09:25.000 The old man was right. 0.99

00:09:27.000 Several thousand years it takes to come near us, but fucking Neil deGross Tyson was tweeting about it.

00:09:32.000 It's over, bitches. 1.00

00:09:34.000 We came from aliens.

00:09:35.000 They fucked with monkeys.

00:09:37.000 They made people.

00:09:38.000 What am I rambling about?

00:09:38.000 Whatever.

00:09:40.000 Please welcome Kip Anderson and Keegan Kuhn from Cow Spiracy.

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00:09:51.000 Joe Rogan podcast by night.

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00:09:58.000 Yes.

00:10:00.000 That's how I'm going to start everything from now on.

00:10:02.000 Yes.

00:10:04.000 Like Diego Sanchez style.

00:10:06.000 What's up, folks?

00:10:07.000 Good.

00:10:07.000 How are you guys?

00:10:07.000 How you doing?

00:10:08.000 Thank you for coming here.

00:10:10.000 Really appreciate it.

00:10:10.000 I'm doing good.

00:10:11.000 I didn't answer your question.

00:10:12.000 It's one of those questions, you know, hey, what's up, man?

00:10:14.000 What's up, man?

00:10:15.000 Like, neither one answers, but it's acceptable for whatever reason.

00:10:18.000 We've got to change that.

00:10:19.000 We've got to change a lot of things.

00:10:21.000 Your documentary freaked me the fuck out.

00:10:22.000 Let's talk about it.

00:10:23.000 Cowspiracy.

00:10:25.000 If you haven't seen it, pause this podcast.

00:10:28.000 Go to Netflix.

00:10:28.000 It's only on Netflix.

00:10:29.000 I tried to find it on Apple TV and I was like, what?

00:10:33.000 Only Netflix.

00:10:34.000 Netflix continues to kill it.

00:10:36.000 But your documentary is very scary.

00:10:40.000 It's one of those documentaries where you can look at a lot of documentaries and go, well, there's a bias in this documentary.

00:10:46.000 And these guys, you know, they're thinking that the negative aspects of this outweigh the positive aspects of it, but it's debatable.

00:10:54.000 When you look at your documentary, it's one of those things where you go, like, I shut it off after it was over.

00:11:00.000 It was like 1 o'clock in the morning.

00:11:02.000 I was getting ready to go to bed, which is not a good idea to plan the fucking rest of your life, think about the future of the world after you see a documentary like yours.

00:11:11.000 And I'm sitting there going, well, there's nothing, there's not much you can say.

00:11:15.000 Like when you look at the devastation that's being done with livestock in this country, when you like soberly look at it, you soberly look at the numbers, you soberly look at the amount of land they need to graze, you soberly look at the amount of people that we smush into these little areas where we don't grow shit and we call them cities.

00:11:36.000 We have to truck everything in.

00:11:38.000 When you soberly look at the amount of methane that's being produced by cow shit and cow farts, and then the reaction that you guys got when you tried to bring up that aspect of it.

00:11:50.000 That was the weirdest part of your documentary.

00:11:53.000 I expected going in that the documentary would sort of highlight some issues that people have already with factory farming and show you, you know, what effect it had on the environment.

00:12:06.000 I didn't anticipate it would be that much of an effect, and I didn't anticipate that you would get the kind of resistance that you got from activists, activists that are scared of that industry.

00:12:19.000 What was it like making that documentary?

00:12:21.000 That was actually more of the motivation was that these environmental groups, the Green Pieces, Rainforest Action Network, Sierra Club, that they didn't address this issue was more of inspiration to make the film and pissed us off to the point of making the film more than actual facts themselves.

00:12:39.000 The facts are so overwhelming when I found them out.

00:12:41.000 But the fact that they didn't talk about this, I felt betrayed.

00:12:46.000 And then once I started calling them, it became really kind of pissed off.

00:12:50.000 This is Kip Anderson talking, by the way, and Keegan Kuhn is the other gentleman to his right.

00:12:55.000 To me, I kind of liken it a little.

00:12:57.000 They're scared.

00:12:58.000 They're obviously scared.

00:13:00.000 Or they're complicit.

00:13:01.000 There's one of two things, right?

00:13:02.000 Either they're scared or they're taking money from these environmental groups.

00:13:06.000 Could be both.

00:13:08.000 Right?

00:13:08.000 And another one, and also they're contributing to it.

00:13:11.000 Imagine you're the American.

00:13:12.000 That's what I meant when I said taking money from these environmental groups.

00:13:14.000 I switched it around.

00:13:15.000 I meant the environmental groups are taking money from that industry.

00:13:18.000 And also, too, imagine the American Lung Association and you're sitting around board of director meetings, you're all smoking cigarettes, and then you're telling somebody not to smoke cigarettes.

00:13:25.000 And that's a huge part of it.

00:13:26.000 We walked in a couple organizations' groups during lunch, and here they're in front of a slaughterhouse eating their lunch, and they're discussing how to save the rainforest.

00:13:36.000 And it's like, wait, what?

00:13:37.000 Is there a connection here?

00:13:39.000 They're eating burgers and shit, talking about the rainforest.

00:13:43.000 You know, another thing that really disturbed me about your documentary was when that gentleman who was a former cattle rancher was talking about his being sued and how the industry sued him and he got in some real deep legal trouble, cost him a ton of money.

00:13:58.000 But how now, today, with the Patriot Act, he would have never won the case because it doesn't matter if you're correct now.

00:14:06.000 Now, if you have an action, like you make a documentary, you do something that adversely affects that industry or any industry where they can prove they're losing money by the Patriot Act, you're legally complicit, or you're legally guilty, right?

00:14:21.000 Isn't that how it works?

00:14:22.000 Yeah, well, so there was a law created called the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, and it was focused on just animal rights activists and environmental rights activists.

00:14:28.000 And the law says anyone who disrupts a business of an animal enterprise is committing an act of terrorism.

00:14:33.000 Jesus fucking Christ, that's scary.

00:14:35.000 Right?

00:14:35.000 I mean, then that goes, it's so far-reaching.

00:14:37.000 That's from someone who saves one chicken from a farm or someone who does a protest.

00:14:43.000 There's three activists up in the Bay who were arrested under the law for passing out leaflets and doing chalk outlines on sidewalks.

00:14:49.000 It's crazy.

00:14:51.000 Total violation of First Amendment.

00:14:52.000 That's so fucking wrong.

00:14:54.000 It's so wrong and so dangerous when you let an industry just dictate just by sheer money what people can and can't protest things that people find morally reprehensible.

00:15:05.000 There's a reason why there's these ag gag laws. 1.00

00:15:08.000 What ag gag laws, if you're not aware, if you listen to this, there's laws against taking film footage of those pigs that are shoved into those cages and chickens shoved into cages and cruelty to animals.

00:15:18.000 Have you ever watched any of those disturbing videos that PETA puts up where they'll show like a guy like shearing wool and kicking the shit out of the lamb?

00:15:28.000 It's fucking, it's hard to watch, man.

00:15:31.000 It's weird.

00:15:32.000 Is it a sheep or a lamb?

00:15:34.000 Lamb is a young one, right?

00:15:35.000 Is that what it is?

00:15:35.000 Yeah.

00:15:37.000 These guys, like you think, oh, I'm wearing wool.

00:15:39.000 It's just, they just give them a haircut.

00:15:41.000 Bullshit.

00:15:42.000 They beat the fuck out of those things because those things don't want a haircut. 1.00

00:15:46.000 And they bleed because they're not gentle with those shears.

00:15:49.000 Ugh.

00:15:50.000 Obviously, I don't know if it's just one time that they filmed this and it's just one asshole.

00:15:54.000 But there's laws against filming those things now.

00:15:57.000 So the only way that ever stops, the only way people ever go, hey man, I'm only going to eat free range this or grass-fed that, the only way that happens ever is you have to know what the consequences of not doing that are.

00:16:09.000 You have to know if you're buying this factory raised meat, this is how it lives.

00:16:15.000 Are you cool with that?

00:16:16.000 Most people are not cool with that.

00:16:17.000 So instead of fixing it and making it better, they make it illegal to report all this unethical, fucked up, dark shit they're doing to animals.

00:16:26.000 That is, that's so fucking anti-American at every level.

00:16:32.000 Yeah, but I mean, that shows how powerful this industry is.

00:16:34.000 It literally can dictate to the government what they want the laws to be.

00:16:36.000 Because, you know, the AGAC laws don't benefit consumers in any way.

00:16:39.000 They're completely written by the industry themselves.

00:16:42.000 Those motherfuckers need to take mushrooms. 1.00

00:16:45.000 All those people that are involved in those chicken farms, those pig farms, just grow some.

00:16:51.000 Please, you don't understand.

00:16:54.000 I understand they're making a fuckload of money.

00:16:56.000 They don't want to stop making a fuckload of money.

00:16:56.000 I get it.

00:16:59.000 But the idea that that's all you have to do is just have so much money coming in that you can get away with this.

00:17:05.000 How is that any different than animal bestiality?

00:17:08.000 How is that any different than animal torture?

00:17:10.000 Like animal torture is illegal.

00:17:12.000 If like Michael Vick got in trouble because he was shooting his dogs and killing them, how is that really different than the way they treat pigs?

00:17:19.000 As I say, you know, at least the dogs had a chance.

00:17:22.000 You know, these animals had no chance at all.

00:17:24.000 You know, those dogs.

00:17:25.000 Yeah, well, I guess the dogs have a chance.

00:17:28.000 That's the thing about pit bulls is the real, the ones they use for fighting, they breed them to not have any animal aggression.

00:17:34.000 You could beat the shit out of them.

00:17:35.000 They don't fight back.

00:17:36.000 They're bred to never sort of go after people.

00:17:39.000 It's very weird.

00:17:41.000 Anyway, that doesn't, beside the point.

00:17:43.000 The point is this industry has so much fucking money that they're able to do something that I think pretty much everybody would disagree with, and that's stop you from letting people be aware of the consequences of their purchase power.

00:17:58.000 They're buying.

00:17:59.000 Like if you want to buy the cheapest meat, you want to buy the cheapest meat possible.

00:18:04.000 This is how it's grown.

00:18:06.000 This is how it's managed.

00:18:07.000 This is how they bring these things to slaughter.

00:18:09.000 Are you comfortable with that?

00:18:10.000 Thing is, too, it's not only, you know, even if you have organic or the free range or, you know, all these other, more than anything, the marketing terms, they don't let you into these places as well.

00:18:22.000 It's across the board.

00:18:24.000 I have a friend, my friend Doug Duran, he lives in Wisconsin and he owns a farm and he has grass-fed cows.

00:18:29.000 And I had one idea of what it's like to be a grass-fed cow and then I visited his farm.

00:18:35.000 So my idea of what it's like to be a grass-fed cow, and he only has a few cows and it's not a gigantic farm, it's a few hundred acres.

00:18:40.000 And it's not his main business.

00:18:42.000 It's like a family thing that he does and he grows his own beef.

00:18:46.000 Those cows are fucking terrified. 1.00

00:18:48.000 If you go in that cage, they fucking run.

00:18:50.000 They run and they bunch up.

00:18:52.000 And I was out there.

00:18:53.000 I went, oh, they know what the fuck's going on.

00:18:56.000 And it's not that much space.

00:18:58.000 I mean, even if they have a giant pasture, you obviously have to be able to rope them in because you're going to eventually kill them.

00:19:04.000 And they kind of know it.

00:19:05.000 So you go anywhere near those fuckers.

00:19:06.000 You think of it as like those pigs in your documentary.

00:19:09.000 Those pigs that those people were raising in Northern California, which were kind of like pets.

00:19:13.000 They came over and these little kids were petting them and stuff.

00:19:16.000 That's not how these cows are. 1.00

00:19:18.000 These cows are fucking running for their life. 1.00

00:19:19.000 Yeah.

00:19:20.000 And the thing is, those cows, they know what's going on.

00:19:23.000 And they're just babies.

00:19:25.000 They get killed at 18 months.

00:19:27.000 Imagine they can live as long as dogs.

00:19:29.000 Imagine a puppy getting killed at 18 months.

00:19:32.000 They know what's going on.

00:19:33.000 And 18 months is the grass-fed one?

00:19:34.000 No, that's the grain-fed, right?

00:19:36.000 Grain-fed, yeah.

00:19:37.000 Grass-fed's even longer, it's about 24 months.

00:19:39.000 Because they have to take some longer to grow.

00:19:41.000 Yeah, they're eating their natural diet.

00:19:43.000 Whoo, what did we do?

00:19:44.000 So, how did we get here?

00:19:46.000 How the fuck did human beings get to this position where, I mean, I think it's wonderful in terms of our ability to innovate, create technology, educate each other.

00:19:56.000 You know, I mean, wow, what a gigantic relief it's been to remove the daily necessity of gathering food.

00:20:04.000 It's been a gigantic relief, and it's caused the human race to accelerate, to technologically innovate at a before, never seen pace.

00:20:14.000 I mean, what we've been able to do over the last hundred years has been nothing short of insane.

00:20:20.000 But the consequences seem to be not thought out and not planned for and no solution in place to mitigate it.

00:20:30.000 Yeah, and that's the thing is that when we talk about population in the film, you know, and was it 1800 is 1 billion?

00:20:37.000 1900, 1.5, 2000, 2012, 7 billion just exploded.

00:20:44.000 And then not only that, the necessity to the meat consumption and dairy consumption and just in the last 50 years.

00:20:51.000 So a lot of these people have this notion of, you know, even the grass-fed, that's what we get into, and the organic, but they're living in a time where it's 50 years ago, 100 years ago.

00:20:59.000 We're in 20 now, 16.

00:21:02.000 It's not a reality.

00:21:03.000 It's a myth.

00:21:04.000 There's too many of us.

00:21:06.000 But people are cool.

00:21:06.000 Damn it.

00:21:07.000 I like them.

00:21:08.000 I like when there's a lot around.

00:21:08.000 I like them.

00:21:12.000 It's weird, you know?

00:21:14.000 It's such a catch-22, but there's definitely too many of us.

00:21:17.000 But fuck, it's awesome having so many people.

00:21:20.000 Because having so many people, I find, I love going into rural areas, the mountains, and stuff like that.

00:21:27.000 But I think living there, I would miss the amount of people that you get in the Los Angeles area.

00:21:32.000 You get a lot of really cool people.

00:21:35.000 In giant groups, you're more likely to find a large number of cool people just by sheer volume, just by numbers.

00:21:44.000 But fuck, man.

00:21:45.000 Well, that's one thing that's looked at in the film is that, yeah, how do you feed 7.2 billion people?

00:21:50.000 And the only way you're really going to do it is to eat as ecologically as possible, and that's a plant-based diet, or getting as close to a plant-based diet as you can.

00:21:57.000 Yeah, it seems like, like, what I like to do, I grow a lot of my own vegetables, and I've been, the last few years, I've been hunting, and this year, eating, trying to at least, exclusively stuff that I've killed myself.

00:22:10.000 But everybody can't do that.

00:22:11.000 You know, you can't preach that as an ethic.

00:22:13.000 You can't, because it's just not possible.

00:22:15.000 First of all, time-wise, it's not possible for most folks with families or with jobs.

00:22:20.000 They just don't have the time to gather that much meat.

00:22:22.000 To feed your whole family for a year, if you eat meat, you know, three or four days a week even, you're not going to be able to do it.

00:22:29.000 And then, two, the other thing is there's just not enough animals.

00:22:32.000 There's just not.

00:22:33.000 There's not enough white-tailed deer.

00:22:34.000 There's more white-tailed deer right now than there have ever been ever in the history of this continent, just by management, by wildlife protection agencies and fish and game departments, making sure that these animals have adequate habitat and they only take a certain amount per year and things along those lines.

00:22:51.000 So there's more white-tailed deer than there have ever been in North America, but not enough to feed everybody.

00:22:56.000 Not even close.

00:22:57.000 Not even close.

00:22:58.000 We would kill them all.

00:22:59.000 We would still be starving.

00:23:00.000 That's it.

00:23:01.000 Yeah, I mean, hunting really, because people have brought that up.

00:23:03.000 They say, well, what about sustainable hunting?

00:23:05.000 And the truth is that we've replaced most of the wild animals on the planet with our domesticated animals, and we've taken the wild animals' land, and we've, you know, used it to grow, feed, to feed livestock or to graze livestock.

00:23:18.000 And so, yeah, just as you said, I mean, we've literally replaced 90% of wildlife with our own species.

00:23:23.000 Like, what wildlife isn't there anymore that was, besides obvious ones, like buffalo?

00:23:28.000 Yeah, I mean, there's obviously like megafauna, but it's also, I mean, you'll have to look at timberwolves, eastern timberwolves were basically wiped out primarily for fur trade and because they preyed on cattle.

00:23:40.000 And so then you have other species that move in.

00:23:42.000 And so you see an explosion of, for example, yeah, white-tailed deer, but that's because we've eliminated all the other species around them.

00:23:48.000 We've eliminated all the predators because the predators are a threat to the livestock.

00:23:53.000 And so once you eliminate the predators, now you have all these deer running around and multiplying, and then that's where wildlife management comes in, which is complete bullshit because true wildlife management is getting rid of the cows and getting rid of all the other wildlife.

00:24:08.000 All the other wildlife?

00:24:09.000 Wildlife?

00:24:10.000 All the livestock.

00:24:11.000 Getting rid of.

00:24:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:24:13.000 Oh, okay.

00:24:14.000 So basically what's happening, just one year ago, what was the stats on how many?

00:24:19.000 Oh, I mean, the Department of Agriculture has a wildlife services program, and they eliminate wild animals who prey on the livestock industry.

00:24:29.000 So they killed the mountain lions, coyotes.

00:24:32.000 I mean, it's like 60,000 coyotes last year were killed by the U.S. government because they're perceived as a threat to this industry.

00:24:38.000 400 wolves, 500 blacks. 0.99

00:24:41.000 Well, you guys, I'm sure you're aware of the reintroduction of wolves.

00:24:44.000 You know about all that?

00:24:45.000 Like how they reintroduced wolves to North America from actually from Canada.

00:24:49.000 It's very controversial.

00:24:49.000 It's fascinating.

00:24:50.000 Oh, for sure, yeah.

00:24:51.000 You know, because elk population has been decimated, but then they've also attacked some livestock in British Columbia, where my friend Mike lives, his neighbor's cow was taken out by a wolf.

00:25:02.000 Like they were all sitting around from the fucking bedroom window watching a pack of monsters tear a cow apart, like right in this little pen.

00:25:10.000 It's got to be fucking spooky.

00:25:12.000 I mean, but still, I mean, wolf populations aren't anywhere close to what they were a century ago.

00:25:17.000 That's true, but in some states, they have exceeded the number that they intended to let them get to.

00:25:22.000 Right, and so that's what happened is that, I mean, because that's going back to these environmental organizations, Sarah Club's got a big campaign about save the wolves and all these organizations, save the wolves, save the wolves, but they're not talking about why wolves are on the verge of collapse again.

00:25:33.000 It's like we got these species off the endangered species list, and now they've opened it up to hunting in Idaho and, you know, the states that the population bloomed again.

00:25:41.000 And it's because of the cattle industry.

00:25:43.000 It's not that the wolves have exceeded the ecological capacity or carrying capacity of the ecosystem.

00:25:48.000 It's the fact that they're competing with livestock.

00:25:51.000 Well, they've also reached a number.

00:25:54.000 They've passed a number where the scientists, the biologists, wildlife biologists deemed they would be a healthy, sustainable Population and not be a problem.

00:26:02.000 And when they get to, you know, what we call a problem, of course, it's when they interfere with agriculture, it's when they start eating livestock and people's dogs and occasionally joggers.

00:26:12.000 You know, shit goes wrong with wolves, man.

00:26:15.000 You really, the issue is management, right?

00:26:20.000 And what does that mean?

00:26:21.000 To some people, it means like leave nature alone, let nature sort it out.

00:26:25.000 But to people in indigenous areas like Native Americans and people in Canada, like a lot of them rely on moose and deer to feed themselves.

00:26:37.000 Like this is where they get their meat from.

00:26:39.000 And they have to keep wolf populations down.

00:26:41.000 If they don't keep wolf populations down, the wolf, they already, as it is, wolves and bears kill something like 50% of all calves and the fawns that come out of deer and moose.

00:26:51.000 So they do, since there's nothing that kills wolves, like you have to kill them, otherwise they get to the point where, have you ever been to like upstate New York and drive through those areas where there's so many deer you have to drive like 20 miles an hour?

00:27:05.000 Because at nighttime, they're just darting in front of your car.

00:27:07.000 They're like fucking rats.

00:27:08.000 They're everywhere.

00:27:09.000 It's nuts how many deer there are in some places.

00:27:11.000 And one of the reasons for it, because there's no population control. 0.57

00:27:14.000 There's no predators.

00:27:15.000 And these are areas where there's just not that many people and not that many people hunting.

00:27:19.000 So you just get a fuckload of these fucking deer running around everywhere.

00:27:23.000 Yeah, I mean, it's that imbalance.

00:27:24.000 And that's what we've seen with ecology around the world.

00:27:27.000 Indigenous communities have found, I mean, it's like hunter-gatherer communities around the world have shown that you can live in balance with nature.

00:27:34.000 But that's not what we're living today.

00:27:36.000 Wildlife biologists, though, do believe that the way to balance that out is you have to keep populations of predators down.

00:27:42.000 And that's why if you go back to history, all the fairy tales, the big bad wolf, Little Red Riding Hood, all that stuff, Three Little Pigs, were all wolves.

00:27:51.000 Wolves are fucking dangerous.

00:27:52.000 They're real dangerous.

00:27:54.000 In terms of recent history, in World War I, the Russians and the Germans had a ceasefire because they were trying to kill each other and wolves kept killing them.

00:28:04.000 They were getting so many soldiers killed by wolves, they literally had a ceasefire and just went on a wolf-killing rampage.

00:28:11.000 That's how scary wolves are.

00:28:12.000 They can stop armies from killing each other.

00:28:14.000 So I think we all, as compassionate people who love nature, we have some beautiful ideas of what nature is and some beautiful ideas of how North American populations of animals should be managed.

00:28:27.000 But wildlife biologists look at this with a very sober eye.

00:28:32.000 And the reason why they're opening up hunting for wolves in Idaho and some other areas is not just to protect agriculture.

00:28:42.000 It's also to keep these motherfuckers from getting out of control. 1.00

00:28:46.000 Because they are wolves.

00:28:47.000 They're beautiful.

00:28:48.000 They're amazing.

00:28:49.000 I love that they're here.

00:28:49.000 I love them.

00:28:51.000 Even if they do jack a giant percentage of the elk population and it's fucking cool, man.

00:28:57.000 Wolves are cool.

00:28:58.000 You know, to be out and hear, oh, and see like a fucking pack of them, there's an electrical living beauty in all that.

00:29:06.000 That if it's gone, it's gone forever.

00:29:08.000 And you can never bring it back.

00:29:10.000 And right now it's here.

00:29:11.000 And I think we should enjoy it.

00:29:12.000 But you got to keep a fucking eye on them, man.

00:29:14.000 And when the wildlife biologists, the sober ones, go, hey, you've got too many.

00:29:19.000 You've got a problem.

00:29:20.000 You've got to open up hunting for them.

00:29:22.000 Because if you don't, they just keep breeding.

00:29:25.000 And then what do you do?

00:29:26.000 Well, so there's this really dangerous predator that roams around the planet, walks on two legs.

00:29:30.000 I get it.

00:29:30.000 It's called humans.

00:29:30.000 That's the most dangerous species on the planet.

00:29:32.000 Yeah, I like that predator, though.

00:29:33.000 They're cool.

00:29:34.000 But you can't advocate for those, You can't eliminate them.

00:29:38.000 But you can move away from them.

00:29:39.000 I mean, if human beings...

00:29:42.000 If human beings come in and start jacking and killing people, that's what's called war. 0.56

00:29:46.000 And that's why we have armies, to protect against human beings when human beings do get out of control.

00:29:51.000 But if wolves were cool and they were hanging around like squirrels and they never killed your dog and they never threatened your children, yeah, it would be a totally different experience.

00:29:58.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:30:00.000 When was the last death of a wolf in, say, Idaho?

00:30:02.000 Well, last year in Alaska.

00:30:02.000 Last year.

00:30:04.000 I mean, look, not that many people are wandering through the woods by themselves, and wolves are usually aware that when they see human beings, they're either in cars or they have rifles.

00:30:13.000 But I've had friends that were stalked by wolves.

00:30:15.000 I've had friends that were on bow hunting expeditions where they thought they were going to die because they were stalked by wolves.

00:30:20.000 Because wolves, if they can get away with it, they will fucking kill you.

00:30:24.000 Well, they had bows in their hands too.

00:30:26.000 Listen, man, you ain't going to kill them all.

00:30:29.000 You might get one wolf if you're lucky.

00:30:32.000 But a compound bow when a wolf's running at you, good fucking luck.

00:30:35.000 You got to set your sight correctly.

00:30:37.000 You got to adjust it when the wolf's coming in.

00:30:39.000 Speaking like, say, about Idaho, you know, the wildlife in there is cows.

00:30:39.000 Get out of here.

00:30:44.000 It's cows and a few wolves, you know.

00:30:46.000 And the cows take up so much space.

00:30:50.000 If you remove all those fences, all those millions of miles in fences, millions of acres, and you let the wolves have that land again, and then you let the other predators come back in, then you have a balance going on.

00:31:02.000 But it's the fences, and that's the, you know, you talk about the wildlife management.

00:31:07.000 It's bullshit because just by killing some wolves and not addressing the cows and the fences, that's the problem.

00:31:13.000 Well, there is certainly a lot of cows in Idaho, but there's also a lot of wild game.

00:31:17.000 There's a lot of, like, deer hunting in Idaho is famous.

00:31:20.000 Like, elk hunting in Idaho is like one of the best places to go in the world.

00:31:24.000 So it's not entirely true.

00:31:26.000 There's a lot of wildlife.

00:31:28.000 Idaho, if you've gone there, people, they have this idea of Idaho as being like sort of this like boring flat.

00:31:34.000 You know, like the people don't go there.

00:31:36.000 They think of it as like one of those states I'm never going to visit.

00:31:38.000 Idaho is spectacular.

00:31:39.000 Have you been?

00:31:40.000 Yeah.

00:31:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:31:41.000 It's amazing.

00:31:42.000 The fucking mountains, it's just a spectacular place.

00:31:45.000 So there's a lot of wildlife and a lot of sportsmen, hunter people, a lot of fisher people.

00:31:51.000 A lot of people that fishing.

00:31:51.000 Right.

00:31:52.000 I mean, that's the amazing thing.

00:31:53.000 I used to live in Alaska and you'd just see moose everywhere.

00:31:56.000 Yeah, it's amazing.

00:31:57.000 Incredible.

00:31:58.000 But we still, we don't have that perspective of that 200 years ago, the biodiversity and the amount of animals was that much more.

00:32:05.000 And 500 years ago, it was even that much more.

00:32:07.000 I mean, living in the Bay, and we talked about the indigenous people literally didn't go more than 10 miles from where their village was because there's so many animals, there's so much food.

00:32:15.000 And we've just eliminated that.

00:32:17.000 But if you want to have an apple store, you have to do that.

00:32:19.000 You can't have fucking wolves.

00:32:21.000 But also, too, you know, the wildlife in Idaho that you're talking about, there's not that much predators.

00:32:26.000 You know, there's a lot more predators and the wolves.

00:32:29.000 Well, the wolves, but, you know.

00:32:30.000 They have real big populations of wolves now.

00:32:33.000 But it's still a fraction of what it used to be.

00:32:36.000 And then also, as far as the West, the bears and the cougars and the coyotes that are just getting destroyed.

00:32:43.000 And people talk about wildlife because there's a bunch of moose and a bunch of elk.

00:32:48.000 Well, the bears and cougars and wolves are not getting destroyed.

00:32:52.000 They have very strict numbers of how many you can kill, whether it's cougars or whether it's bears or whatever.

00:32:58.000 And bears are extremely hard to kill.

00:33:01.000 In California in particular, they've made it so it's almost impossible to kill bears.

00:33:05.000 You can't use bait and you can't use dogs.

00:33:07.000 So you have to go find them.

00:33:09.000 And wolves, I mean, bears are way smarter than you give them credit for.

00:33:12.000 They smell things a mile away.

00:33:14.000 They hear things you're never going to hear.

00:33:16.000 And if you start coming through the woods, they're just going to not be there.

00:33:19.000 It's not like there's this overwhelming idea that we have to go out and decimate all of the coyotes and all of the bears and all of the wolves and all of the cougars.

00:33:30.000 That's not going on.

00:33:31.000 Coyotes are the only one out of that whole list.

00:33:34.000 You can shoot as many as you want.

00:33:35.000 Like, people worry about coyotes encroaching upon urban areas and killing cats and dogs.

00:33:40.000 And my neighbor's dog was killed by a coyote.

00:33:42.000 It happens all the time.

00:33:44.000 But it's not like they're out there killing all the bears.

00:33:47.000 Like, there's fucking serious jail time if you kill a bear and you don't have a tag.

00:33:52.000 And you can't even kill them in California, cougars.

00:33:55.000 You can't even kill them.

00:33:56.000 So mountain lions in California are just running all over the place killing cattle.

00:34:00.000 Yeah.

00:34:01.000 Yeah, the reason, though, is that we've gotten to that place.

00:34:03.000 We've decimated the populations to such a low point that now they have to put in these mandates and controls to try and keep the species alive.

00:34:11.000 Yeah, well, that's true.

00:34:12.000 The reason why they did it, though, was like when they started killing all these wolves back in the day, when they started poisoning them, they did it because they were dangerous.

00:34:20.000 Like they had gotten to high numbers and they had realized that as soon as people start stockpiling livestock, that this is an easy place to hit.

00:34:29.000 And so they would just keep coming back to them.

00:34:31.000 I'm sure you've heard of the Russian super PACs of wolves that they've had in issues with in Siberia, where these guys, they can't do a damn thing about it because there's 100 wolves tearing apart a horse.

00:34:42.000 And that happens.

00:34:44.000 It does happen with wolves.

00:34:46.000 So I don't think this is something...

00:34:57.000 But I think we have to be real careful when it comes to just letting wildlife be wild.

00:35:02.000 I think there's a certain amount of predators that you can have before things get dangerous.

00:35:08.000 The big one, you know, that the film addresses is the livestock.

00:35:12.000 That's what's got out of control, and that's what's literally destroying and taking over the wildlife.

00:35:17.000 So if you're really concerned about wildlife, if you're a real wildlife person, the last thing you do was not only consume, say, factory farm, but that's the whole thing about our film.

00:35:26.000 People think it's about factory farm.

00:35:27.000 We don't even talk about factory farm.

00:35:29.000 We talk about the grass-fed beef.

00:35:31.000 We talk about the organic grass-fed milk.

00:35:37.000 And that's what's killing the wildlife. 0.70

00:35:39.000 And that's the whole point of what we jump past the factory farm because ironically, for wildlife, if you care truly about wildlife, and that's what they discussed when we talked to the Animal Agriculture Alliance, they say, they say, people think we're living somewhere 50 years ago, 100 years ago.

00:35:55.000 We're living in a place with 7 billion people.

00:35:55.000 We're not.

00:35:57.000 The only way to efficiently feed people who want to eat meat is to put them in factory farms.

00:36:02.000 They're factory farms because they're efficient. 0.72

00:36:04.000 They only take around two acres per cow, whereas the grass-fed cow, you're talking about your buddy in Wisconsin.

00:36:09.000 The guy in our film, he had cattle in Wisconsin.

00:36:12.000 He said 50 acres, 50 acres for one fucking cow.

00:36:16.000 One cow, 50 acres.

00:36:18.000 50 acres.

00:36:19.000 Think how big that is.

00:36:20.000 No other wildlife can enter that.

00:36:22.000 So that's the last thing you would want to eat is grass-fed beef.

00:36:25.000 The last thing you'd want to be fed with beating is these organic dairy farms that is destroying all our water resources, polluting the rivers, and destroying all these predators and these other wildlife that you talk about.

00:36:38.000 Right, but the argument would be that when you have a grass-fed cow and it's eating on 50 acres, that's where it's getting its food from.

00:36:45.000 Whereas if you have a factory-raised animal, it's getting corn, that corn is raised independently on some other large area.

00:36:51.000 Two acres, two acres, two acres.

00:36:51.000 Two acres, though.

00:36:53.000 Yeah, because you can grow corn so much per acre.

00:36:56.000 And grass-fed, it needs 50 acres that no other horse, no other bear, no other cougar, no other, all these animals that you're talking about.

00:37:03.000 No other animal can live on that area.

00:37:05.000 Is that during the life of the animal?

00:37:07.000 That's just period.

00:37:08.000 Just slaughter.

00:37:08.000 That's just a lot of people.

00:37:09.000 Till slaughter.

00:37:10.000 That's constantly.

00:37:11.000 So imagine on a 50-foot fence, nothing else.

00:37:14.000 Well, it's way more than 50-foot.

00:37:16.000 50 acres, sorry, 50 acres for one.

00:37:18.000 So that's the last thing you want to be eating is grass-fed beef if you really care about the environment, if you really care about wildlife.

00:37:25.000 You need to say, either I fuck the cow, screw the cow, the cow lives a miserable life, but you know, I care a lot about more like, you know, about the elk and the moose and the wolves.

00:37:35.000 I care more about wildlife than I do about this cow.

00:37:38.000 You got to choose one or the other if you're going to do it.

00:37:40.000 And if you really care about wildlife, you got to say screw the cow and let's go with Factory Farm. 0.88

00:37:45.000 And that's the whole irony of this whole grass-fed myth that's happening.

00:37:50.000 And that's what's kind of ironic about the film, and people don't expect that.

00:37:54.000 It's shocking.

00:37:55.000 If human beings right now stopped growing, like if the population of the United States stayed at 300 million, can we feed ourselves right now with how we're doing it?

00:38:06.000 Like business as normal?

00:38:07.000 Yeah.

00:38:08.000 Not sustainably.

00:38:09.000 I mean, not into perpuity.

00:38:12.000 Why is that?

00:38:13.000 Right now, half of the United States' lower 48 land is designated to raising animals for food, whether growing their feet.

00:38:19.000 50%.

00:38:20.000 Half.

00:38:20.000 That's crazy.

00:38:21.000 That's crazy.

00:38:22.000 There's no other wildlife.

00:38:23.000 Yeah.

00:38:23.000 And so we've already passed that tipping point where we're on ecological collapse.

00:38:29.000 So we can't continue business as normal.

00:38:36.000 The simple fact that we're draining aquifers at extreme rates.

00:38:39.000 I mean, the Angala aquifer, the largest aquifer in North America, drops by, I think, six feet per year.

00:38:45.000 55% of all water consumed in the United States goes into animal agriculture.

00:38:49.000 So we're pumping groundwater, it's totally unsustainable.

00:38:52.000 California, you know, massive drought, 47% of California.

00:38:55.000 As opposed to domestic is 5%.

00:38:57.000 Every single thing you do in your home, everything you do in your home is only 5%.

00:39:02.000 Animal agriculture, 55%.

00:39:04.000 And we're talking about how we're in a drought.

00:39:06.000 It's called a food water shortage.

00:39:09.000 Water shortage.

00:39:11.000 What's golf courses?

00:39:12.000 Golf courses is less than 2%.

00:39:14.000 That's still a lot.

00:39:17.000 sorry.

00:39:18.000 Just for California.

00:39:19.000 For the United States, it doesn't even register as a percentage.

00:39:21.000 So in California, 5% is for humans.

00:39:24.000 4% for plastic.

00:39:26.000 2% is for golf.

00:39:28.000 That's 50 and 55% for let's listen Let's get rid of golf.

00:39:34.000 Okay, now we're down to another 2%.

00:39:36.000 We're doing way better.

00:39:40.000 Nutrition.

00:39:41.000 But, you know, that's a big one.

00:39:43.000 So water.

00:39:43.000 Water is a giant.

00:39:44.000 Water is a big one.

00:39:45.000 Another huge issue.

00:39:46.000 Desalination technology that's emerging.

00:39:48.000 Sadly, that's really not a solution either because of how much energy goes into it.

00:39:52.000 And so the greenhouse gas emissions that are attributed to each gallon of water.

00:39:54.000 How about nuclear, son?

00:39:55.000 How about we do some nuclear desalination?

00:39:58.000 We put it right on the fault line.

00:39:59.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:40:00.000 Fuck it.

00:40:01.000 Another part of it is topsoil erosion.

00:40:03.000 Leading cause of topsoil erosion is from hooved animals grazing on land that never had hooved animals.

00:40:08.000 It's how we till soils to grow corn and soy and alfalfa.

00:40:13.000 Yeah, that's an issue, right, that you guys also addressed that maybe some people aren't aware of is that you can't just keep pulling the same plants over and over again from soil.

00:40:24.000 When you do that, you deplete these farmlands.

00:40:26.000 And there's a guy named Dr. Joel Wallach.

00:40:29.000 I don't know if you've ever heard of him.

00:40:30.000 A controversial character, but he had this fascinating book called Dead Doctors Don't Lie.

00:40:34.000 It's all about mineral deficiencies and about these farmlands in the United States have been minerally deficient since like the 1930s.

00:40:41.000 And they've been aware of it forever.

00:40:42.000 And so they have to supplement the farm, the ground, with minerals.

00:40:48.000 But it's barely enough.

00:40:49.000 It's not good.

00:40:50.000 It's not good for your health.

00:40:52.000 The kind of vegetables that you get from those places, they're not the healthiest.

00:40:57.000 I mean, some soil scientists are saying that we won't have livable topsoils in the next 50 years in the United States because how do we farm?

00:41:05.000 That's a huge issue.

00:41:06.000 And then what ends up happening to all that topsoil runs off into streams and rivers and gets flushed out to the oceans.

00:41:11.000 We have these massive dead zones that are completely devoid of life, all from the primary cause is because of raising animals.

00:41:17.000 And then we have the greenhouse gases, and then when 50% is cleared away, imagine 50% of that land reverts back to actual wildlife, to actual fauna growing back.

00:41:27.000 But now you're talking crazy.

00:41:29.000 Now you're talking we're going to completely stop factory farming, no more agriculture.

00:41:33.000 That's it.

00:41:34.000 Just forests.

00:41:35.000 Forests.

00:41:36.000 Forests and a bunch of wolves.

00:41:37.000 We're just going to be eating bark like that fucking survivor dude.

00:41:41.000 Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen.

00:41:43.000 But I don't think anybody knew that this had happened.

00:41:46.000 I think that's part of the problem of a documentary like this is it catches people like, well, what?

00:41:52.000 What?

00:41:52.000 How did this happen?

00:41:54.000 You get to that, how did this happen?

00:41:56.000 Like, it's one of the things that I realized as an adult, and I used to have a bit about this, is there's just no grown-ups.

00:42:01.000 There's just a bunch of people that got older.

00:42:03.000 Like when you're a little kid, you think that one day there's going to be a grown-up and you're going to be grown up as well and it's going to make sense.

00:42:10.000 Like, oh, one day I'll be all grown up.

00:42:13.000 But no, you get grown up and then you realize, oh, nobody knows what the fuck is going on.

00:42:17.000 And we're all operating on momentum.

00:42:19.000 And somehow or another, the momentum of these greedy cunts has created this environment where you can't even talk about what they're doing to animals.

00:42:30.000 And you can't talk about how far gone we are.

00:42:33.000 And we're so disconnected.

00:42:34.000 Most of us are just, as long as we can go to the store and buy some food, we don't have shit to think about, dude.

00:42:39.000 Okay, fucking Game of Thrones is on.

00:42:41.000 I don't have time.

00:42:42.000 And because of that, these guys have gotten away with it.

00:42:45.000 But it's like a crime that you're watching.

00:42:50.000 I mean, it is like crime.

00:42:52.000 It seems like it should be crime.

00:42:54.000 I mean, we are literally living in the largest mass extinction the planet's ever seen.

00:42:58.000 65 million years ago, when all the dinosaurs died off is nothing compared to the rate of extinction we're seeing right now.

00:43:02.000 I've heard those animals are all losers, though.

00:43:05.000 That's what I heard.

00:43:06.000 I heard they're all losers.

00:43:08.000 Also, I heard that 90% of everything that's ever lived is extinct.

00:43:12.000 Yeah.

00:43:13.000 Yeah.

00:43:14.000 So do you want to keep owls around forever?

00:43:16.000 Are they the perfect animal?

00:43:18.000 Can't they just go and a new thing comes in their place?

00:43:21.000 Owl's the one.

00:43:23.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:43:24.000 I mean, intellectually, not that I'm ever, but if I was intellectual, I would say that ultimately this whole thing is happening.

00:43:34.000 Life is taking place and it's moving at this very strange and bizarre pace.

00:43:38.000 I think that ethically, though, one of the bigger issues, maybe perhaps the biggest issue, is how did we allow laws in place like laws where you can go to jail for filming cruelty?

00:43:51.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:43:52.000 As Americans, as human beings, as people that are living in the age of information of 2016, to deny information, shouldn't you know if you buy a pair of pants that that pair of pants is made by fucking slaves?

00:44:05.000 Shouldn't you know if you went to the pair of pants factory and you saw a guy whipping the people that were making the pair of pants, wouldn't you want to be aware of that?

00:44:14.000 So how is it any different?

00:44:15.000 How is it any different?

00:44:17.000 How is it any different that it's illegal to film someone being cruel to animals?

00:44:22.000 That's fucked up.

00:44:23.000 Because people don't want to see it.

00:44:24.000 People don't want to see what they're doing to their, you know, they're eating three times a day.

00:44:29.000 They don't want to see it.

00:44:30.000 They don't.

00:44:30.000 I don't think that's the case.

00:44:31.000 I mean, I think the big thing is that it's money.

00:44:33.000 It's money.

00:44:34.000 I think it's way more money than it is.

00:44:36.000 Because people say that all the time.

00:44:36.000 People don't want to see it.

00:44:38.000 They see the film, they feel really inspired.

00:44:40.000 They're like, well, what do we do?

00:44:41.000 I should write my congressman.

00:44:43.000 I should talk to my legislators.

00:44:45.000 And that's great if they think that's where the solutions are going to happen.

00:44:47.000 Can we just do an ice bucket challenge type thing?

00:44:49.000 Yeah, right.

00:44:50.000 Keep it simple.

00:44:51.000 But really, what's going to come down to is that as long as this industry has money and has money to funnel into the government, things are going to continue.

00:44:59.000 And so I think it's undermining the baseline of that.

00:45:02.000 And the little thing, too, is when we tour around with the film, people talk, the politicians are the bad ones, or the animal culture groups are the bad ones, the government.

00:45:11.000 And once again, it goes back to those environmental groups.

00:45:14.000 Those are the ones.

00:45:15.000 Those are the ones that need to be held accountable.

00:45:19.000 That's why they make their billions of dollars collectively, and they're not doing it.

00:45:23.000 And that's why they're here.

00:45:25.000 I mean, that is the one that the animal culture, they're just doing their business.

00:45:28.000 They're good businessmen.

00:45:29.000 They got their lobbies.

00:45:30.000 They got the government.

00:45:31.000 They got the infiltration now to these environmental groups.

00:45:34.000 They're doing a good job.

00:45:35.000 So how about hold people accountable to step up what they're doing and hold themselves accountable whilst rather than saying, Screw you, screw you, screw you, say, you know what, look in the mirror and what can I do?

00:45:45.000 What can I do to make a difference?

00:45:47.000 And what can I do with these environmental groups that are actually palpable?

00:45:50.000 And just from the making the film, they're actually now starting to address it.

00:45:54.000 So, it's pretty cool they're finally doing it.

00:45:56.000 Well, it's interesting because if you look at the agriculture business, if you look at factory farming business, like as a business, you look at just the raising of livestock in this country, there's a gigantic diffusion of responsibility aspect to it all because each person is one part of this enormous industry.

00:46:13.000 And this industry has existed before they came along.

00:46:16.000 So, you grow up and it seems normal because everybody's buying steak at the butcher shop and everybody's getting their cows from this fucking guy and their milk from this store.

00:46:25.000 It seems totally normal.

00:46:26.000 But as you get older, you become a part of that system yourself.

00:46:31.000 You start becoming a farmer.

00:46:32.000 So, you take on a job that already exists and it's acceptable.

00:46:37.000 It's a normal part of your community and your culture.

00:46:39.000 And then, you know, you run into some problems and you need some loans.

00:46:43.000 So you get a loan and you expand your business and then you get involved with lobbyists.

00:46:47.000 And then the lobbyists come by and they say, hey, listen, we've passed a new law that makes it illegal for people to film you while you're beating the fuck out of your pigs.

00:46:55.000 All right, cool, I guess.

00:46:57.000 Shit, fuck, whatever.

00:46:58.000 As long as they can't run me out of business, I got loans.

00:47:01.000 I got loans from the fucking government.

00:47:02.000 I got to pay off.

00:47:03.000 And this is a lot of it was going on.

00:47:05.000 You're not dealing with individuals that are evil.

00:47:09.000 You're dealing with almost like an evil concept.

00:47:11.000 And the evil concept is to be able to take life and to turn it into something that's profitable.

00:47:18.000 Like to take life and to smash it into the small space possible, feed it the most fattening shit possible, pump it full of whatever chemicals we have that make it grow quicker, and then chop it up.

00:47:31.000 That's it.

00:47:32.000 And I think that we, in the film, we don't demonize people who are involved in this industry because they're all trying to pay their bills, feed their families.

00:47:39.000 My dad is ranching.

00:47:41.000 Yeah, and so it's like, this is, again, these aren't bad people.

00:47:44.000 These are people caught up in a bad system.

00:47:46.000 Yeah, I think that's a real good point to make.

00:47:48.000 It's a real good point to make.

00:47:49.000 Whoever's made those laws is definitely responsible.

00:47:52.000 Whoever let that happen, like, whoa.

00:47:55.000 Having that put into, like, this one thing, if you have people that are fucking, I've seen people that interrupt restaurants and they, you know, you've seen videos of those people.

00:48:02.000 They get in and they just fucking start screaming about meat is murder.

00:48:06.000 And like, this is not the place for it.

00:48:07.000 It's just not.

00:48:08.000 It's like you're interrupting people's business.

00:48:11.000 You're making a moral judgment and you might be right in your eyes, but in this person's eyes, you're wrong.

00:48:16.000 And you're fucking with their space.

00:48:19.000 Yeah.

00:48:19.000 There's that.

00:48:19.000 But that's what's interesting is when people talk about, you know, that's a judgment of what other people do.

00:48:25.000 I don't condone that at all.

00:48:26.000 But we discuss in the film is what other people are doing with their choices.

00:48:30.000 They're saying, you know, say someone's like, oh, you're vegan or vegetarian.

00:48:33.000 Well, you know, I do what I want.

00:48:34.000 You do what you would want.

00:48:35.000 Don't judge me.

00:48:36.000 It's like, well, you know what?

00:48:38.000 You're destroying our wildlife.

00:48:39.000 You're destroying my future generation. 1.00

00:48:40.000 I'm paying taxes for your hamburger, like in the film about the guy who wrote Meat Anomics.

00:48:47.000 We're paying around on a Big Mac, was it?

00:48:50.000 Seven extra dollars.

00:48:51.000 Normally it costs, what, $3?

00:48:54.000 It would cost $10, yet we are the ones paying the taxes on this through the- Vegans aren't annoying?

00:49:09.000 Because some of them are very people are annoying.

00:49:12.000 There's a percentage of people that are annoying.

00:49:15.000 There's no getting around it.

00:49:16.000 And when you ever met somebody who just started fucking doing something, like, you know, just started, you know, playing tennis, and all they want to do is talk about fucking tennis?

00:49:26.000 Like, Jesus Christ, man, enough about fucking tennis.

00:49:28.000 That's how a lot of people are with everything, including becoming a vegan.

00:49:32.000 You know, I'm guilty of it with things that I get into because when I get into things, that's all I want to talk about.

00:49:37.000 And when people find that moral high ground in particular, they tend to fucking plant a flag and blow trumpets.

00:49:45.000 And so when you say to someone, hey, you know, it's not because I'm paying taxes on your burger, they're like, oh, dude, fuck off.

00:49:50.000 You know, this is not the way to talk to people because they don't want to hear it.

00:49:53.000 Even if you're making sense with your facts and your statistics, most people, first of all, if they haven't seen your documentary or many other documentaries, whether it's Food Inc.

00:50:03.000 or whether it's King Corn or whether there's a series of them that you can watch that sort of give you this complicated, multifaceted picture of what's going on with food in this country.

00:50:15.000 And it's not good.

00:50:18.000 It's real bad on all levels.

00:50:21.000 And that's why people really love the film is that we don't say one thing to anybody.

00:50:26.000 When you watch the film, we don't make one judgment.

00:50:28.000 We don't say anything.

00:50:29.000 Not one point in the entire film.

00:50:31.000 It's just following my journey, what I personally went through about six years ago.

00:50:35.000 So it's all about providing information.

00:50:37.000 Yeah, and even that, just providing information about the taxes.

00:50:40.000 It's like, you know, this is the truth.

00:50:43.000 Just know the information and then make your own choices.

00:50:45.000 Well, yeah, you don't really have to put a spin on it.

00:50:48.000 You know, when you break down the actual numbers as far as like how, well, that was the other thing that was incredible, when you show how much area you need to grow plants versus how much area you need to grow livestock to feed the same amount of people.

00:51:03.000 Whoa.

00:51:04.000 It's about one sixth of an acre to feed a vegan for a year, and then it's 18 times that.

00:51:08.000 They're so skinny, man.

00:51:09.000 They're little tiny people.

00:51:11.000 You gotta have the 300-pound vegan in here, man.

00:51:14.000 These dudes eating pizza all the time.

00:51:16.000 When you're flying over the country and you look at all that extra spot, there's a lot of space.

00:51:20.000 What the fuck's going on with that space?

00:51:21.000 When you fly over, there's nothing happening for a long time.

00:51:24.000 Which actually is kind of amazing.

00:51:26.000 Especially in the American West, you drive through Nevada and you're like, wow, there's all this open space.

00:51:30.000 But then you grow some cows there.

00:51:32.000 Yeah, you see, and there's one cow every hundred acres. 0.99

00:51:32.000 But you stop. 0.99

00:51:34.000 And so it's, I mean, this is land that the U.S. has been very efficient at utilizing its land.

00:51:40.000 What was going on with that whole Bundy Ranch thing?

00:51:43.000 That had to do with ranchers and public land for grazing as well, right?

00:51:47.000 Like they wanted to charge them more money, and so they fucking got together with their white supremacist, allegedly.

00:51:53.000 Are they white supremacists?

00:51:55.000 They're definitely Mormon? 0.99

00:52:00.000 Might as well be white supremacists.

00:52:01.000 They're Mormons with guns. 1.00

00:52:02.000 That's weird.

00:52:03.000 And cows.

00:52:05.000 In the U.S., we have federal lands that's managed by the Bureau of Land Management, BLM, and that land belongs to all of us.

00:52:11.000 So you can get a permit to mine on that land.

00:52:14.000 You can hunt and fish and shoot guns and ride ATVs and all that sort of stuff because it's owned by all of us.

00:52:22.000 But you can also get a permit to graze livestock.

00:52:24.000 And so ranchers get these permits to graze livestock on federal lands.

00:52:27.000 They pay a fraction of what they would normally pay.

00:52:30.000 So they're basically subsidized by all of us.

00:52:34.000 And so then Bundy and his cronies all wanted to have, they're saying, no, you know, they hadn't paid their, they're basically their fees.

00:52:41.000 And so BLN took their cattle and said, hey, you haven't paid.

00:52:44.000 You know, you're basically stealing from the U.S. citizens, you know, by grazing animals illegally.

00:52:50.000 So they did their whole coup and, you know, trying to overthrow the government.

00:52:54.000 I mean, it's just, it's nuts.

00:52:55.000 But so again, this is, and what's going on right now in Oregon, same sort of thing is that they believe that this land is for them to use because no one else is up there and so they can graze their cattle.

00:53:04.000 And it's like, well, right now they're cutting down fences and wildlife refuges to graze cattle.

00:53:09.000 It's like, I mean, it's just the, it doesn't benefit ecology in any way.

00:53:13.000 It doesn't benefit us as a body.

00:53:14.000 Who was the first one to call those guys Ya Qaeda? 0.95

00:53:18.000 Someone did it on the podcast, allegedly.

00:53:21.000 I don't know who it was.

00:53:22.000 It sounds like something Tony would say, but he's not really political.

00:53:25.000 So I don't think he would be aware of the Bundy Ranch thing.

00:53:28.000 Y'all Qaeda. 0.91

00:53:28.000 Y'all Qaeda, that's true. 0.91

00:53:29.000 Yeah, but it's been on Twitter for a while.

00:53:31.000 And someone attributed to someone who was a guest on this show.

00:53:34.000 And I don't remember who it was.

00:53:35.000 If it happened, I would like to give them credit because it's fucking hilarious.

00:53:40.000 But so those ranchers, you know, they do have huge power, though.

00:53:44.000 And so right now, there's wild horses in the American West that are being rounded up.

00:53:47.000 There's more wild horses in federal captivity than there are free on the range.

00:53:51.000 Yeah, I saw that.

00:53:52.000 I found that to be fascinating, too.

00:53:54.000 That was a part of your documentary that I totally didn't expect.

00:53:58.000 Yeah.

00:53:58.000 And that's, again, because of the cattle industry.

00:54:01.000 Now, this federal land, when you say that their animals can graze on it for a fraction of the cost, a fraction of the cost of doing it on private land.

00:54:11.000 Is that what you mean?

00:54:12.000 But federal land is owned by all the people, so shouldn't it be kind of a fraction of the cost if you do hand out permits?

00:54:12.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:19.000 Like if you want to, like you could use that land to go camping, to hike, to do, because it's all, this is where Theodore Roosevelt, when he was in office, he was very controversial because one of the things that he did is he wanted to protect gigantic chunks of land in this country and make them public land and make it so that people will always have the great outdoors.

00:54:41.000 You could always go and enjoy these.

00:54:43.000 You can't overdevelop them.

00:54:44.000 He had a very amazing foresight in that regard.

00:54:48.000 He really saw the future in a lot of ways.

00:54:50.000 And man, they've been trying to fucking sell that shit off forever.

00:54:53.000 And as recently as one of those guys running for president, Ryan, Paul Ryan, is that his name?

00:55:01.000 I believe he was one of the guys that was ahead of this idea to sell that land to pay off the debt that the United States allegedly has to some fucking invisible man.

00:55:11.000 I don't even understand the debt that we have, like to who?

00:55:14.000 Like what's going on?

00:55:15.000 The federal bank?

00:55:16.000 Why is it called the Federal Bank?

00:55:17.000 Is it a federal thing?

00:55:18.000 No, it's not.

00:55:19.000 It's just the name of it.

00:55:20.000 Oh, what the fuck is going on?

00:55:21.000 We owe how much?

00:55:22.000 How do we owe that much?

00:55:23.000 Why are we paying them that much?

00:55:24.000 What are we paying them for?

00:55:25.000 Exactly.

00:55:25.000 They make money.

00:55:26.000 We can't make our own fucking money.

00:55:26.000 What?

00:55:28.000 What's going on here?

00:55:29.000 So you can go down a rabbit hole, my point.

00:55:32.000 But if you do go down that rabbit hole, like shouldn't those people, like, shouldn't you, if you have chickens, shouldn't you allow your chickens to fucking run around on public land?

00:55:41.000 The difference is profiting off of it.

00:55:43.000 So if they're having, you know, they're private industry making money on public lands.

00:55:48.000 But they do pay taxes, right?

00:55:49.000 Yeah, a fraction of taxes.

00:55:51.000 So it's not like they do it for free.

00:55:52.000 No, but they're heavily subsidized by the private sector.

00:55:54.000 How much do they pay back to that whole Big Mac thing?

00:55:57.000 It's $3, but it really should be around $10.

00:55:59.000 Well, sort of, because it's all money that's going to the government, right?

00:56:02.000 It's like, are they taking money from you?

00:56:04.000 Are you really paying taxes from it or are they paying less taxes?

00:56:07.000 You could say that you're paying taxes for it, but it's really that they're paying less.

00:56:11.000 That's really what it is.

00:56:12.000 They actually receive checks.

00:56:13.000 I mean, so it's like they get paid.

00:56:14.000 Like the oil industry does, like they get subsidized.

00:56:16.000 Yeah, so like the corn industry does too.

00:56:18.000 It's huge.

00:56:19.000 Which apparently they can't survive without that.

00:56:22.000 I mean, the hog industry in North Carolina, you know, we've read a report that said they wouldn't be able to survive if it wasn't for better subsidies.

00:56:28.000 Hundreds of millions a year.

00:56:29.000 So how does that happen?

00:56:30.000 Explain, can you, I don't know if you can, can you explain that to me?

00:56:33.000 Yeah, I mean, so what it is is that U.S. government has policies around food, that food has to be affordable for its citizens.

00:56:38.000 And that's a huge thing.

00:56:39.000 If you want to keep a revolution from happening, definitely keep people well-fed.

00:56:43.000 Is that what it is?

00:56:44.000 Fucking government, man.

00:56:46.000 They're keeping us fat and lazy.

00:56:47.000 Well, you look at the, I mean, what happened in the Arab Spring, that was mostly because of food prices.

00:56:52.000 At least a lot of economists are saying that, yeah.

00:56:55.000 But so we want to keep food affordable in the U.S. So when industry is struggling, the government steps in and said, hey, we'll help you out.

00:57:03.000 We'll keep food prices artificially low.

00:57:04.000 So like corn, for example, have huge, huge subsidies to it.

00:57:07.000 70% of corn in the United States is fed to livestock.

00:57:10.000 So that subsidy is then passed on to the livestock industry.

00:57:13.000 You have an industry like hog industry has, you know, a porcine epidemic where all these sows are dying.

00:57:20.000 And so the U.S. government bails them out and says, oh, here's, you know, $10 billion to get your industry out of deep water.

00:57:27.000 And that stuff happens all the time.

00:57:29.000 And that's to make sure the food supply stays adequate.

00:57:32.000 Because, I mean, right now, chicken in the United States is cheaper, like, you know, astronomically cheaper than it was 50 years ago, even including inflation.

00:57:44.000 I mean, it's.

00:57:44.000 Well, you know, that was one of, I believe, Roosevelt's, I think it was Roosevelt, his campaign slogans, was a chicken in every pot.

00:57:51.000 Yeah.

00:57:52.000 Because chickens were like lobster back then.

00:57:54.000 It was like really expensive.

00:57:55.000 See if that was, I think it was Roosevelt.

00:57:58.000 But that, you know, that animal was a wealthy person's meal.

00:58:03.000 Right.

00:58:04.000 Yeah.

00:58:04.000 And it's become the standard.

00:58:05.000 And then the reason for it is it's artificially low.

00:58:07.000 Hoover?

00:58:08.000 Yeah.

00:58:08.000 Hoover.

00:58:09.000 One of those old dead dudes. 1.00

00:58:11.000 Yeah.

00:58:12.000 So that's, you know, again, that's just one aspect of it is that we, because people will say that, they'll be like, well, you know, it's really expensive to eat plant-based food.

00:58:20.000 And so, you know, I've traveled around the world.

00:58:21.000 I've lived around the world.

00:58:22.000 Plant-based foods are the cheapest foods around the world, except for extreme remote areas where they can't grow vegetables.

00:58:30.000 The reason why you can buy a 99-cent hamburger, though, is because of federal subsidies.

00:58:36.000 So subsidies that keep food prices low.

00:58:39.000 Here's part of the problem.

00:58:41.000 I agree that it's probably a good idea to keep food prices low because people don't make so much money.

00:58:47.000 But then you go down that rabbit hole.

00:58:48.000 Well, how come people don't make so much money?

00:58:51.000 Why is the fucking minimum wage so low?

00:58:52.000 How the hell do you live on that?

00:58:54.000 You can't live on that.

00:58:55.000 You really can't.

00:58:56.000 And we interviewed Lauren and Ellis from Food Empowerment Project, and that's one of the things they talk about is that we look at food deserts that are happening around urban areas.

00:59:06.000 People can't afford food, and it's because we don't have a living wage.

00:59:08.000 It's like you want to solve food deserts.

00:59:10.000 What is a food desert?

00:59:11.000 It's areas that don't have access to fresh foods.

00:59:14.000 So you look at a community, and their only grocery store is a liquor store that has chips and junk food.

00:59:21.000 So you're just talking about neighborhoods, just neighborhoods that have poor neighborhoods.

00:59:21.000 Oh, I see.

00:59:26.000 That is the weirdest part about going to poor neighborhoods is how many fucking liquor stores, man.

00:59:30.000 That's good.

00:59:32.000 And again, the federal subsidies, it's like they're not subsidizing healthy fruits and vegetables.

00:59:36.000 It's like you're not, you know, the organic fruits and vegetables industries aren't heavily subsidized.

00:59:41.000 They're not subsidized even at all for most of them.

00:59:43.000 They're subsidizing really unhealthy foods, high-fructose corn syrup, you know, animal products, foods that are actually killing us.

00:59:50.000 Well, that was another super disturbing part of King Corn when they went over their own bodies.

00:59:55.000 They got their bodies examined and found out how much of the carbon in their body had come from corn.

01:00:00.000 They were made out of fucking corn.

01:00:02.000 And then they go through the supermarket aisle and examine all the different products to find evidence of corn products in them.

01:00:08.000 And look, whoa.

01:00:10.000 It's crazy.

01:00:11.000 It's bizarre.

01:00:13.000 How this happened in 100 years?

01:00:14.000 In 100 years?

01:00:16.000 I mean, you go back to 1915 and everything was normal.

01:00:19.000 People were eating normal shit.

01:00:22.000 The farms were normal.

01:00:23.000 People would get their milk delivered to their door in the morning in a glass jug that came from a farm.

01:00:30.000 It was normal.

01:00:31.000 Somewhere along the line.

01:00:33.000 Yeah, well, really, it came from war, World War I and World War II as they started producing chemical nitrogen for mustard gas and for chemical weapons. 0.83

01:00:41.000 And they realized, whoa, you can grow plants with this stuff.

01:00:44.000 Do you know the story behind that?

01:00:45.000 Yeah, a little bit.

01:00:46.000 The Hopper method?

01:00:47.000 Yeah.

01:00:48.000 That guy became a fucking war criminal.

01:00:50.000 The guy who invented the nitrogen that's responsible for like 50% of the fucking nitrogen in your body right now has come from the Hopper method where they take, say, So instead of using fertilizer, they figured out how to get nitrogen out of the fucking air.

01:01:11.000 This same guy came up with the idea of gassing people.

01:01:14.000 He gassed the Allied troops in World War I and then created Zyklon B, that fucking gas that they, well, they use Zyklon A and Zyklon B. And he came out with Zyklon A and he figured out a way to make it so it has a very strong smell so you would know it was a pesticide.

01:01:33.000 So that you would know that you, if you smelled it, get the fuck away from it.

01:01:36.000 And then the Nazis turned into Zyklon B. So they just took out whatever element that gave it a horrible smell. 0.55

01:01:42.000 And he was a Jew. 0.78

01:01:43.000 Isn't that sick?

01:01:44.000 Isn't that sucked?

01:01:46.000 It all happened after he was...

01:01:51.000 Like the Nazis using Zyklon B. But while he was alive, they were, I mean, he was like a man without a country.

01:02:00.000 And the United States, they'd given him a fucking Nobel Prize, and then they wanted to try him as a war criminal at the same time.

01:02:06.000 It was fucking bananas.

01:02:08.000 He's one of the weirdest stories ever in science.

01:02:11.000 Fritz Haber.

01:02:11.000 For sure.

01:02:12.000 Yeah, and that's basically how we got to where we are.

01:02:14.000 It's like you can all of a sudden grow corn in places that you could never grow foods before.

01:02:19.000 Yeah.

01:02:20.000 If anybody wants to hear more about that, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but there's a Radiolab podcast on it.

01:02:23.000 Go check it out.

01:02:24.000 I wish I could remember the name of it, but if you Google, what is it?

01:02:27.000 Did you just say something?

01:02:28.000 Yeah, so I got it right here.

01:02:29.000 It's how do you solve a problem?

01:02:31.000 It's Fritz Haber.

01:02:32.000 That's what it's called.

01:02:33.000 Hmm.

01:02:33.000 There might have been more than one.

01:02:34.000 But I think it was the bad show.

01:02:37.000 Hmm.

01:02:38.000 Yeah, I don't know if that's the actual podcast.

01:02:40.000 Either way, you'll find it, folks.

01:02:42.000 But it's worth listening to.

01:02:43.000 If you haven't heard of Radio Lab, it's a fucking amazing podcast.

01:02:47.000 For sure.

01:02:48.000 So that's, I mean, that's, he's a big reason why.

01:02:50.000 I mean, right now we have, that's what allowed populations to explode.

01:02:54.000 I mean, agriculture really is what allowed populations to explode.

01:02:57.000 It's like once we started cultivating plants, populations, you know, we're not spending 90% of our time hunting and gathering.

01:03:03.000 It's amazing that the pill, the birth control pill, didn't put a fucking dent in anything.

01:03:08.000 Didn't even, it was like throwing up some cheesecloth to try to stop a raging river.

01:03:13.000 Just didn't do jack shit.

01:03:15.000 They thought like, oh, we're going to have this down now.

01:03:18.000 All you have to do is take a pill.

01:03:19.000 Whew, boy, we figured that out just in the nick of time.

01:03:23.000 That's it, man.

01:03:24.000 Imagine if there was no pill.

01:03:26.000 Probably the same amount of people.

01:03:27.000 Probably.

01:03:28.000 People are stupid as fuck.

01:03:29.000 Yeah, I mean, the real thing, if you want to control populations, educate girls. 1.00

01:03:33.000 That's what it comes down to.

01:03:33.000 That doesn't work.

01:03:35.000 Jesus Christ.

01:03:36.000 People educate boys.

01:03:37.000 It doesn't matter.

01:03:38.000 First of all, you definitely can't put it on girls because they get horny just like boys get horny. 1.00

01:03:42.000 They get baffled.

01:03:42.000 But that's the whole thing is that you look at populations whose birth rates are going down.

01:03:46.000 It's when they started educating girls and they stopped segregating where only boys were going to school.

01:03:51.000 That's one correlation, though, but also populations go down in places that are more advanced and places that are high population areas with more affluent people.

01:04:03.000 Populations go down.

01:04:04.000 People where they're more career-oriented people, populations go down.

01:04:08.000 Right, but there's a lot of different factors in that, right?

01:04:11.000 Totally, but they have to be.

01:04:12.000 Well, no, no, no.

01:04:13.000 I mean, it's the fact that we got it.

01:04:15.000 Why do we have 50 kids?

01:04:16.000 Because you're a fucking whore. 1.00

01:04:18.000 That's why.

01:04:19.000 You're an uneducated whore. 1.00

01:04:21.000 Yeah.

01:04:21.000 Well, I mean, a woman who's got an education isn't concerned about having 10 kids.

01:04:26.000 She's interested in having a career.

01:04:27.000 Some of them.

01:04:28.000 Yeah.

01:04:29.000 I mean, I come from a family of eight kids.

01:04:32.000 I'll talk about human population all day long.

01:04:33.000 People are goofy.

01:04:34.000 You know, they fuck and they make people. 0.78

01:04:36.000 It's just ridiculous that at this point in time, sex is the only way to make people.

01:04:40.000 Like, you know, you should figure out a way better and more obvious way to make people than do something that your body's urging you to do all the time.

01:04:47.000 I'm like, what are we, amoebas?

01:04:49.000 Like, god damn, let's get past that, will we?

01:04:51.000 I mean, that's one of the most important things.

01:04:54.000 Even as important as factory farming.

01:04:56.000 Figure out a way where it's completely sober and non-pleasurable to make a person.

01:05:02.000 Where it's not like a desire, like you've been holding your breath for an hour.

01:05:08.000 Like, That's what it's like with people and they have sex. 0.64

01:05:10.000 It's just such a fucking overwhelming feeling.

01:05:13.000 And that's how you make a person?

01:05:14.000 That's pathetic.

01:05:15.000 It's a biological trick of the highest order.

01:05:17.000 Mother Nature's a trickster. 1.00

01:05:19.000 Dirty trickster.

01:05:22.000 Well, you know, that's at least something that's addressed and people talk about.

01:05:27.000 The thing that I think I find the most disturbing about all this is how few people are aware of the reality of factory farming.

01:05:35.000 It sort of seems like a ghost that's whispered in the woods, you know, oh, factory farming, yeah, it's fucking terrible.

01:05:42.000 You know, no one really thinks about it too much because it's not really in our face enough.

01:05:46.000 And the idea that that now is covered by the Patriot Act, if you do put it in people's faces, that you, I mean, it's essentially like by way of creating a law like that, they've made it so that you'll never make it better.

01:05:58.000 There's no need to make it better.

01:06:00.000 And as soon as there's no need to improve the conditions that these animals live under, then it's just not going to get better.

01:06:06.000 If it doesn't help, I mean, businesses don't operate that way.

01:06:09.000 It doesn't help profits, it's not going to get better.

01:06:12.000 That's the thing, though, with the, you know, again, the film, it's not just the factory farms, it's everything.

01:06:16.000 It's with a population as big as it is, there's just no way to feed this meat consumption and dairy with the demand.

01:06:24.000 But is the ultimately the move to make everybody eat vegetables or the move to make less people?

01:06:30.000 Can we just start killing stupid people?

01:06:32.000 Can we just have a poll?

01:06:34.000 How old is the Earth?

01:06:35.000 You think it's less than 10,000 years old?

01:06:38.000 You win a prize.

01:06:39.000 And we have them all show up and just push them into a volcano.

01:06:43.000 Well, you know, that'll work.

01:06:47.000 But it's like, who chooses?

01:06:48.000 That's some Nazi shit right there. 0.73

01:06:50.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:06:52.000 I think it's looking at both of them.

01:06:53.000 I think you can't ignore population when talking about sustainability.

01:06:56.000 They go hand in hand.

01:06:58.000 I think having a very honest, serious conversation about human population is very important.

01:07:04.000 But there's no real ethical way to control population that I know of right now.

01:07:08.000 And so we have to figure out, well, how do we feed people while we also educate them?

01:07:12.000 Because I take it seriously.

01:07:13.000 I mean, I actually, I had myself sterilized when I was 24 years old.

01:07:16.000 Good move, dude.

01:07:17.000 Yeah, it's one of the best decisions I've ever made in my whole life.

01:07:19.000 Really?

01:07:20.000 Yeah, because I just looked at the situation.

01:07:20.000 Yeah.

01:07:23.000 I care about sustainability.

01:07:24.000 I don't want to contribute to that.

01:07:26.000 I want to live as sustainably as possible.

01:07:28.000 And then as far as feeding people, you know, one of the scientists on our film, they said, if everyone did just eat plants, you know, that would happen is that you could feed around 14, 15 billion people.

01:07:38.000 We're at 7 billion.

01:07:39.000 And the way we're eating right now, we need two and a half planets.

01:07:44.000 So right now, we're screwed, but it's more than a population issue.

01:07:48.000 It's like what the population is doing.

01:07:49.000 What if people just lose weight?

01:07:50.000 People are fat as fuck.

01:07:52.000 What if everybody just stops eating so much?

01:07:53.000 Can't we just drop it drastically?

01:07:55.000 What if people ate enough to be lean and healthy like you're supposed to?

01:08:00.000 What difference in the consumption would that be?

01:08:02.000 I mean, it's how many calories go into per calorie.

01:08:04.000 So it's like unit of energy.

01:08:07.000 That's a big part of it.

01:08:08.000 So that's a part of the unsustainability.

01:08:09.000 So the unsustainability is the topsoil is eroded to the point where there's just not that much that they can do with it.

01:08:20.000 And at a certain point in time, it's going to become sterile.

01:08:22.000 So that's one part of the unsustainability.

01:08:24.000 And the other part of the unsustainability is that the population is not staying the same.

01:08:27.000 And it's continuing to jump up.

01:08:29.000 I think in my lifetime, the United States has gone up something like 60 million plus people just in my lifetime.

01:08:36.000 I wouldn't be surprised it was more than that.

01:08:38.000 I'm probably making shit up.

01:08:38.000 It probably is more than that.

01:08:39.000 What do I know?

01:08:40.000 But I watched a film the other day, and it was about the 19, I guess, 1960s, early 1960s.

01:08:49.000 And they were driving around and those old cars, and there's fucking nobody on the road, man.

01:08:53.000 Like, you look at New York City.

01:08:55.000 You could get anywhere.

01:08:56.000 You could just drive around and you watch it.

01:08:58.000 And you're like, wow, that's crazy.

01:08:59.000 Look at everyone just driving.

01:09:01.000 Like, there's no traffic jams.

01:09:03.000 They didn't even know what a traffic jam was.

01:09:05.000 And then you look 60 years later, whatever it is, it's nuts.

01:09:09.000 Like, now it's just a swarm.

01:09:11.000 And then you have to extrapolate.

01:09:12.000 Okay, well, what's going to happen in 100 years from now?

01:09:16.000 What's that going to be like?

01:09:18.000 That's it.

01:09:18.000 I mean, they're expecting 9 billion people by, what, 2050.

01:09:22.000 And those people all are going to want to eat.

01:09:25.000 And that's a big part of it.

01:09:26.000 Are we going to have like apartment buildings stacked up with cows inside of them? 0.97

01:09:30.000 Is that what they're going to eventually do?

01:09:31.000 They do that in Japan.

01:09:32.000 Do they really?

01:09:33.000 Yeah.

01:09:33.000 Whoa.

01:09:34.000 They made that up and they do it.

01:09:36.000 That's always fucked up when you have a ridiculous idea that you don't think anyone's ever going to do and they go, oh, they're already doing it.

01:09:41.000 Japanese one step ahead usually. 0.99

01:09:44.000 Well, they have that YU fucking cow thing going on, which I never understand why people want to pay all that money for a cow that's basically like a job of the hut cow. 0.95

01:09:54.000 It's like going to die.

01:09:56.000 Like its body's just riddled with fat.

01:09:58.000 Like you look at that meat and it's just like that animal is sick.

01:10:02.000 That is a sick, sick animal.

01:10:05.000 That's super unhealthy.

01:10:06.000 Oh, it's so juicy though.

01:10:07.000 It's so delicious.

01:10:08.000 It's the best.

01:10:09.000 It's the best.

01:10:12.000 I mean, the big thing too, though, about like the sustainability is the fact that we're clearing forest to graze cattle.

01:10:18.000 Amazon, near 91% of the Amazon destruction has been in Brazil, has been associated with grazing cattle.

01:10:24.000 The assassinations too.

01:10:26.000 That was the other thing you guys covered when you showed that nun who got taken out by the cattle industry, allegedly, down there. 0.92

01:10:32.000 Like, whew.

01:10:33.000 That's it.

01:10:34.000 They shot a nun.

01:10:35.000 Yeah.

01:10:36.000 She spoke out against the cattle industry because they killed.

01:10:39.000 It was a good documentary on her.

01:10:40.000 Yeah, Dorothy Stang. 0.98

01:10:41.000 Dorothy Stang.

01:10:42.000 And the hitman who was paid by a rancher to kill her.

01:10:46.000 He went to prison for, what, one year, two years?

01:10:48.000 And then he got retried and then he got let off.

01:10:49.000 It was a good documentary on her.

01:10:51.000 Yeah, over a thousand forest activists have been killed in Brazil in just, what, the past 20 years?

01:10:58.000 Yeah.

01:10:59.000 And this guy who paid him off, did he get in trouble?

01:11:03.000 The guy who paid for this hitman?

01:11:05.000 Oh, no.

01:11:06.000 Did they name him?

01:11:07.000 Yeah, that documentary, it was a while ago, but it's really good.

01:11:10.000 It just shows how corrupt it is.

01:11:11.000 It's crazy.

01:11:12.000 Yeah, well, Brazil, especially when it comes to poverty, it's a totally different situation.

01:11:17.000 Well, it sucks.

01:11:17.000 Have you been?

01:11:19.000 It was my favorite country.

01:11:21.000 And then making this film, I was like, ugh, I'm not going there for a while.

01:11:24.000 It's not, you know, it's not everyone.

01:11:27.000 Brazil's awesome.

01:11:28.000 I love Brazil.

01:11:29.000 It's amazing.

01:11:31.000 I've been there probably six times.

01:11:33.000 The people are so friendly and so happy and so proud to be Brazilian.

01:11:38.000 Like, they love that you enjoy Brazil.

01:11:41.000 But whenever you have poverty, man, there's a lot of haves and have-nots in Brazil.

01:11:46.000 There's extreme poverty and extreme wealth.

01:11:49.000 And it's weird when you go through neighborhoods and you see really high fences with barbed wire around them and shit.

01:11:55.000 And I was like, whoa, like this is kind of crazy.

01:11:58.000 Like these are these really nice houses that are protected like it's a prison.

01:12:04.000 It's unfortunate.

01:12:05.000 It's crazy.

01:12:06.000 Yeah, but the assassinations and everything that they're having in Brazil, it's all people that are trying to stop the deforestation of the rainforest, which is unbelievably devastating to the tune of, what was it, one acre?

01:12:19.000 How long?

01:12:20.000 It's up to one acre every second, up to sometime.

01:12:20.000 A minute?

01:12:23.000 Every second.

01:12:24.000 Like a football field.

01:12:25.000 Think of a whole football field every second.

01:12:27.000 Jesus Christ.

01:12:28.000 So right now, up to or it varies?

01:12:31.000 Up to varies depending on the year.

01:12:32.000 It depends, yeah.

01:12:33.000 It went down for a few years and then two acres a second?

01:12:36.000 Yeah.

01:12:36.000 And then a few years ago it went down and then they just released this law that made it go down.

01:12:41.000 Now they're back up back up again to where it used to be.

01:12:45.000 It's literally unconceivable.

01:12:47.000 Inconceivable.

01:12:48.000 And that's the thing too, you look at the environmental organizations, you would think this would be their forefront issue.

01:12:53.000 Right now you go to any rainforest action organization, they're going to be talking about palm oil and pulp in timber and dams and fossil fuels when still today the leading cause of rainforest destruction around the world is animal agriculture.

01:13:08.000 That's fascinating.

01:13:10.000 Was anybody willing to talk to you guys about that?

01:13:13.000 Not in the watch.

01:13:15.000 I mean Amazon Watch.

01:13:17.000 Amazon Watch, yeah.

01:13:18.000 You know, when it was kind of the turn of all talking to all these groups and then finally it was this big long drawn out thing where she was kind of stumbling, stumbling, stumbling.

01:13:25.000 Finally she said, you know what?

01:13:27.000 You're right.

01:13:30.000 This is screwed up and this is the reason why we're not talking about it.

01:13:34.000 And then these interviews are two hours long and sometimes we go to these screenings and you have someone from Greenpeace or Sierra Club and they say, oh, you guys manipulated the editing of the film.

01:13:43.000 It's like, you know, you watch the full edits of the film.

01:13:45.000 It's more bizarre.

01:13:46.000 It's more of a cover-up.

01:13:48.000 So who was accusing you of that?

01:13:50.000 Who was accusing of manipulating the data?

01:13:53.000 Oh, all the time when we go on tour, some will stand up and they'll say the edits of our interviews, you know, the most bizarre part and the most funniest part.

01:14:02.000 They say you manipulated the edits to make it the most funny or the most cover-up and say, no, if you see the longer edits of that, it's worse than it appears.

01:14:11.000 Why don't you guys just put the long edits up on YouTube?

01:14:15.000 We've been doing that, but we've been working on other stuff.

01:14:22.000 It's very disconcerting to think that these animal rights are these Greenpeace activists and these environmental activists and all these different people that are involved in this campaign to save the rainforest are also maybe even taking money from animal agriculture.

01:14:42.000 Is that fair to say?

01:14:44.000 Yeah, I mean, there's definitely links to show that some of these organizations do accept money straight from the industry.

01:14:50.000 World Wildlife Fund doesn't make any qualms about it.

01:14:53.000 They get money from the beef industry.

01:14:58.000 But then you can also look at who's on their board.

01:15:01.000 What's their background?

01:15:02.000 And to be honest, in all fairness, is that it's such a massive industry, it's hard not to be associated with them in some way or another.

01:15:09.000 But Greenpeace's largest grant on record comes from a guy who raises and slaughters 40,000 animals for his restaurants every year.

01:15:15.000 So it's like, how are you going to speak bad about an industry when one of your huge donors is doing that?

01:15:21.000 Now, how do you decipher that?

01:15:25.000 Because do you say, well, maybe this guy who slaughters all these animals for his restaurants, is that Ted Turner?

01:15:31.000 Yep.

01:15:31.000 I knew it.

01:15:35.000 Maybe he really is legit.

01:15:36.000 That's why I said Ted Turner, because I think he legitimately does have concerns about the environment.

01:15:40.000 He seems like a guy who really loves the great outdoors.

01:15:43.000 He has massive ranches and goes to them and shit.

01:15:46.000 I mean, I don't doubt that these organizations really believe in what they're doing.

01:15:50.000 They want to help the environment.

01:15:51.000 And they do good work.

01:15:52.000 You know, it's like the reason why we have a, I think a big part of why we have an environmental movement in the United States is because of Greenpeace.

01:15:58.000 And they've opened doors to be able to talk about things.

01:16:00.000 And I'm so thankful for that.

01:16:02.000 But to fail to talk about, you know, Kip has an analogy about the house on fire.

01:16:06.000 Yeah, it's basically, you know, imagine a house that's burning on fire.

01:16:09.000 And these organization groups, you know, the Sear Clubs, Reinforce Action Network, Greenpeaces, they come, house is on fire.

01:16:16.000 One of them comes and cleans the window because it's a little, you know, a little dusty.

01:16:19.000 Another one dusts the countertop.

01:16:20.000 One other leaky faucet, meanwhile, there's a bonfire in the middle of the house that's burning the house down.

01:16:26.000 That's a great analogy.

01:16:27.000 And that's essentially what's happening.

01:16:29.000 Yeah, so I think they are doing good work, but they're failing to address the most destructive industry.

01:16:34.000 Ted Turner's scenario, does he have, you say he slaughters all these animals for his restaurants, are they his own animals?

01:16:41.000 Does he have ranches and he grows these cattle?

01:16:43.000 He's, I think, the second largest landowner in the United States.

01:16:45.000 And so he raises...

01:16:48.000 Yeah.

01:16:49.000 Wow.

01:16:50.000 And so therefore his restaurants, the whatever they're called.

01:16:53.000 Ted's.

01:16:54.000 I think it's called Ted's.

01:16:55.000 And they are no wildlife preserves, you know, they're cow preserves. 0.98

01:16:58.000 So when he's growing these cows, like, is he doing it in a sustainable way in his property at least?

01:17:04.000 I mean, how's he doing it?

01:17:05.000 He raises buffalo as well.

01:17:08.000 And if people are going to raise animals for consumption, they should be raising native species.

01:17:13.000 I mean, I don't think people should be raising animals.

01:17:15.000 It's just super inefficient.

01:17:16.000 It's like 16 pounds of input to get one pound out.

01:17:20.000 But you could at least do an indigenous species.

01:17:23.000 Is a cow non-indigenous? 0.92

01:17:25.000 Where does it come from?

01:17:26.000 Asia.

01:17:26.000 Really?

01:17:27.000 American cows come from Asia?

01:17:28.000 Yeah.

01:17:29.000 God damn it.

01:17:29.000 Think about that, Texans.

01:17:31.000 Greeting Chinese food.

01:17:32.000 I know what you think.

01:17:33.000 You think I'm American, I'm going to sit down here with American steak.

01:17:36.000 And for pure sustainability, the most sustainable way to grow is through factory farms.

01:17:43.000 If you're just talking not for efficiency.

01:17:45.000 As far as efficiency.

01:17:46.000 Right, but nobody factory farms buffalo.

01:17:48.000 That seems like a fucking sin.

01:17:51.000 It's weird just seeing them in supermarkets.

01:17:55.000 You can buy bison.

01:17:56.000 So bizarre.

01:17:56.000 Wasn't that on the, weren't they almost dead?

01:17:59.000 Wasn't it on that?

01:18:00.000 That's the most bizarre thing, yeah.

01:18:01.000 Well, the most bizarre thing was how many, you know, there's a guy named Dan Flores that wrote a thing about bison ecology.

01:18:07.000 It's really fascinating, and I've got to get him on the podcast.

01:18:10.000 But his assertation is that the Native Americans, just with the introduction of firearms and horses, they would have probably wiped the buffalo out even like, you know, without the Americans or without the Europeans landing and becoming a part of this buffalo.

01:18:30.000 It wouldn't have happened as quick because the overall slaughter was fueled by money. 0.80

01:18:34.000 You know, the hide slaughter, I mean, the amount of buffalo hides they were getting.

01:18:38.000 And this is insane.

01:18:39.000 We've all seen the stacks of bones.

01:18:41.000 But he believes that what had happened was there had been a massive decline in the population of Native Americans.

01:18:49.000 And during that time, the buffalo grew to staggering proportions.

01:18:53.000 That before that, they had kind of kept them in check more because they had eaten them.

01:18:57.000 But there was like, I believe there was like a 90% decline in the populations of Native Americans.

01:19:02.000 It probably was linked to Europeans moving here and giving them diseases that they didn't have immune systems for. 0.95

01:19:09.000 Fascinating, fascinating subject, obviously off.

01:19:12.000 Yeah, but I mean, Guns, Germs, and Steel, that's an awesome book, similar sort of thing where it talks about that.

01:19:17.000 Yeah, introduce technology to a population and see what happens.

01:19:21.000 Well, his flores is backs historical recollections of different people who had come before the decline in Native American populations, and they really didn't discuss bison herds.

01:19:32.000 They'd never seen these million herds of bison like they described in the 1700s.

01:19:38.000 People had gotten there and been like, what in the fuck?

01:19:40.000 Just thunderous hills of...

01:19:44.000 So our idea of that being like, it used to be a million buffalo for a very short period of time, and that was a mistake.

01:19:50.000 And that was just an imbalance that probably would have been corrected by the introduction of guns and horseback.

01:19:56.000 But buffalo, they eat even more grass and require even more land than cow do, right?

01:20:03.000 Yeah.

01:20:04.000 You know, I don't know if about efficiency like per pound of meat they put on their bones, you know, for what they consume.

01:20:10.000 Cows are really efficient, but they just eat different things, too. 0.82

01:20:14.000 Buffalo do. 0.96

01:20:14.000 Yeah, they co-evolved with the grasses. 0.96

01:20:16.000 I mean, there's a reason why they call buffalo grasses because buffalo's actually eaten.

01:20:19.000 I've never heard of buffalo grasses.

01:20:20.000 Yeah, so that's like what the prairies used to be covered in was the species.

01:20:23.000 Buffalo wings.

01:20:25.000 Different?

01:20:26.000 Those are just tiny little buffaloes. 0.95

01:20:28.000 Little mini miniature buffaloes.

01:20:30.000 There was a fucking episode of the Jessica Simpson show. 1.00

01:20:33.000 Remember she used to live with that dude where she was trying to figure out how they got wings from buffaloes?

01:20:38.000 Allegedly.

01:20:39.000 She might have been playing dumb.

01:20:41.000 I don't know.

01:20:42.000 It'd be fucking cool, though, if buffalo.

01:20:44.000 Well, buffalo are dangerous as fuck too, by the way, ladies and gentlemen.

01:20:46.000 If you encounter buffalo, especially during the rut in Yellowstone, get the fuck away from them.

01:20:52.000 They run you over.

01:20:53.000 They'll kill you.

01:20:54.000 They think you're going to kill them.

01:20:55.000 They're going to kill you.

01:20:55.000 They're wild animals.

01:20:57.000 People get fucked up by buffalo all the time.

01:20:59.000 There's a hilarious video I saw of this guy.

01:21:01.000 He wants to get close.

01:21:02.000 He's going to take a picture of these buffalo.

01:21:04.000 And the buffalo just sees him, turns, like, oh, are you fucking kidding me?

01:21:07.000 And just charges at him.

01:21:08.000 That's it, man.

01:21:09.000 When I lived in Alaska, you'd see tourists all the time going up to bull moose.

01:21:13.000 Just think they're going to get a picture.

01:21:14.000 I mean, literally, they've seen people walk up to black bears just like they're in a zoo.

01:21:19.000 People don't really understand the fact that animals, and that's really kind of all animals, are potentially very dangerous, particularly wild animals.

01:21:26.000 Well, including people, by the way.

01:21:28.000 We're just so used to this civil environment where people can come up to other people and say hi.

01:21:32.000 Bears don't just come up to bears and say hi.

01:21:34.000 They have to know the bear.

01:21:36.000 They have to be reasonably sure the bear is not going to bite them in the face.

01:21:39.000 And they know each other.

01:21:41.000 When a new bear comes into town, there's a fucking war going on.

01:21:44.000 It's chaos, just like it used to be with people.

01:21:47.000 So that's the world that a fucking moose is living in.

01:21:50.000 You just can't walk up on that moose, dude.

01:21:51.000 That moose is fighting off bears all the time.

01:21:54.000 I mean, imagine being a moose in Alaska, and you have to deal with some potentially 10, 11 foot tall, gigantic, furry monster that just eats everything it can.

01:22:05.000 I mean, what does a bear weigh?

01:22:06.000 A thousand fucking pounds?

01:22:08.000 A grizzly?

01:22:09.000 And you think of that thing as just running around looking for you?

01:22:11.000 You'd be on edge.

01:22:12.000 You'd be a little on edge.

01:22:14.000 Some fucking fat guy with a Las Vegas visor on comes at you with his iPhone.

01:22:19.000 Fuck him.

01:22:20.000 They're going to trample that dude.

01:22:22.000 Think you're cute?

01:22:22.000 You're going to take a selfie with me, bitch?

01:22:24.000 I live in a different world, motherfucker.

01:22:26.000 Stomp.

01:22:27.000 Yeah.

01:22:28.000 They're gigantic, man.

01:22:29.000 I saw my first moose a couple years ago in Alaska.

01:22:32.000 I just couldn't believe it, man.

01:22:33.000 I just couldn't believe how big they were.

01:22:34.000 That's it.

01:22:35.000 Yeah.

01:22:35.000 Especially I was living in the interior about 100 miles from Fairbanks.

01:22:39.000 And it's like, you see a bull moose, you know, mature bull moose, you can feel like you can walk right under his stomach.

01:22:45.000 Yeah, you probably could.

01:22:46.000 People have driven under them in car accidents.

01:22:48.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:22:49.000 Like they made it underneath the car and just clip the roof on the underbelly of the car.

01:22:54.000 Fuck.

01:22:55.000 Or the underbelly of the moose.

01:22:56.000 You would see a bison in person.

01:23:00.000 His face is about as tall as you are.

01:23:03.000 It's crazy.

01:23:03.000 They're monstrous.

01:23:04.000 Monstrously huge.

01:23:05.000 And so fucking cool looking.

01:23:07.000 When you see a bison, they seem like some Star Wars animal.

01:23:11.000 It really does seem like something from Star Wars.

01:23:13.000 Like with this crazy lion kind of mane thing going on.

01:23:16.000 You know, the extra fur in the front.

01:23:20.000 Why did you grow so big?

01:23:22.000 Why did nature want you to be so fucking enormous?

01:23:24.000 Just a destroyer of grasses.

01:23:26.000 Yeah.

01:23:27.000 An eater of grasses.

01:23:28.000 That's just crazy.

01:23:29.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

01:23:31.000 Fuck.

01:23:32.000 I mean, if that wasn't real, and you saw that in a movie, that's a total Star Wars monster.

01:23:37.000 Like, you would see like some dude with like motorcycle goggles on it and a metal helmet riding it.

01:23:37.000 Right?

01:23:45.000 It's going over the top of the hill.

01:23:46.000 And what is the only thing he eats is plants?

01:23:48.000 That's what's crazy, you know?

01:23:49.000 It's like all the skinny plant jokes, but then you got the gorillas and these huge, massive, strong animals.

01:23:56.000 Sure.

01:23:57.000 Elk, moose, all of them.

01:23:58.000 Eating grasses.

01:24:00.000 Yeah, gorillas are real weird because they're not just gigantic, but they also have fangs.

01:24:04.000 And they're per pound, per pound, the strongest animal in the whole world.

01:24:08.000 Eating broccoli and shit.

01:24:11.000 Yeah, it's very strange when you see the diversity of wildlife, and you have to think that all of this stuff...

01:24:22.000 All this stuff came from single-celled organisms that eventually evolved and changed and mutated and adapted and Random mutation, pressure from the environment, and then they became what they are now.

01:24:37.000 What a bizarre world we live in.

01:24:39.000 And I think that that's also a big part of what's wrong with factory farming and what's wrong with our disconnection from our food is that we're very rarely around animals.

01:24:50.000 And to the point where I think most human beings think of it as like people and animals.

01:24:56.000 But it's not.

01:24:57.000 It's life.

01:24:58.000 It's all over the place.

01:25:00.000 There's a lot of different life.

01:25:01.000 We've just cleared off most of it to like all you see is like birds and squirrels.

01:25:05.000 And you don't even think of them because they're around so often.

01:25:07.000 They're like, there's another fucking bird shit on my car, asshole. 1.00

01:25:10.000 And you drive off.

01:25:12.000 But when you're around wildlife, like if you've ever been in the woods, seen like, you know, a population of fox walk by and you see like the mama bear or and a couple cubs and you see these kind of animals like in in the wild and you realize like these fuckers are here they're they've been here they're staying they breed here this is normal they've been this way since lewis and clark like hundreds of years ago they were just like this and they're just like this right now we just never go into that world so we forget that world's even

01:25:42.000 I think we have a huge disconnect, you know, as you said, from our food and from the natural world.

01:25:42.000 air.

01:25:42.000 That's it.

01:25:47.000 It's like we live in concrete boxes and we drive in cars and it's like we forget that we are part of this whole system.

01:25:53.000 And that's, I think, a big part of what Cowspiracy does too, is that remind people that you're part of this system, you know, whether you want to or not, it's like you're part of the system.

01:26:01.000 You're dependent upon the atmosphere for your air.

01:26:02.000 You're dependent upon the ground for your water.

01:26:05.000 It's like you're dependent on the soil for your food.

01:26:07.000 It's like, this is it.

01:26:08.000 There's no way of getting out of it.

01:26:10.000 Well, this is the first time I think our generation, or I'm older than you guys, I think, the generations of the last 20 years, the people that are alive today, let's just call it the people that are awake and alive and paying attention today, this is really probably unprecedented amount of understanding of the consequences of the way we're living.

01:26:30.000 I really don't think it's ever been like this before, where so many people are so aware of what has been set up in this system that we're born into, this system that we just, you know, we went to school and we got out of school and we got jobs and we became a part of it.

01:26:45.000 And then as adults, we start looking around and going, who fucking designed the Democrats and the Republicans?

01:26:52.000 That's it?

01:26:53.000 These fucking two people, the only people?

01:26:55.000 And their idea, what is this fucking, where'd this meat sandwich come from?

01:27:00.000 How can I just go through this spot and I can reach my hand out my metal box with rubber tires and hand this guy paper and he gives me a ground meat sandwich and I just drive off?

01:27:10.000 That's it.

01:27:11.000 That's what's cool.

01:27:12.000 The film ends as a real inspiring way is that people are turning on now, you know?

01:27:17.000 So something just in the past couple of years, you can just kind of feel it, like this transformation of just information passes so fast, you can't hide things from people.

01:27:24.000 Well, do you think that, do you worry at all that something like that Patriot Act thing could be somehow or another applied to people who make documentaries that expose realities like that?

01:27:35.000 When we made the film, it was kind of how it went down, you know?

01:27:37.000 When I, we really took a step back.

01:27:41.000 We, after we talked to Howard Lyman, that, uh, the rancher, he scared, he scared the shit out of us.

01:27:45.000 And we were talking, once we released the film, should we go to Cuba for a couple months?

01:27:45.000 He really did.

01:27:49.000 Like we were, we were, he scared us and he says, you know, watch out, you know, this is serious shit.

01:27:54.000 And then, so we realized finally, you know, what are we going to do if we just stand, stand back and do nothing, stay silent?

01:28:01.000 We're all screwed.

01:28:02.000 You know, the fear of not doing something has to supersede the fear of one individual doing something.

01:28:08.000 You know, we have to step up and all do something because if not, what are we going to live in?

01:28:12.000 In a world full of cows, you know, and that's in a monoculture of cows and destruction and we're not going to be around anyway.

01:28:18.000 So it was scary, but now at the point, it's been, you know, a year and a half since we released it and we're already on to our, uh, you know, our new, new project coming along right now too.

01:28:27.000 So you haven't had any blowback at all?

01:28:27.000 So.

01:28:30.000 When we released the film, cause we originally, we did a crowdfunding campaign.

01:28:34.000 We released the film, um, and a week after we premiered it, Beef Magazine did a writeup about the film called, uh, Beef Magazine?

01:28:41.000 Yeah.

01:28:41.000 Is that a gay porn magazine?

01:28:43.000 It's like, I think it's the other one.

01:28:45.000 Or is it a rap battle magazine?

01:28:47.000 They, uh, it's, yeah.

01:28:49.000 So they did this writeup called, uh, why ranchers should be concerned about the documentary Cowspiracy.

01:28:53.000 And it was all, hey, this film's coming out.

01:28:55.000 It's got these stats and you should know your numbers because this is coming down the pipeline.

01:28:58.000 Um, and we've had a couple other industries say that sort of stuff.

01:29:01.000 And we get, you know, we get some threatening sort of messages and Facebook posts and stuff like that.

01:29:06.000 Like what do they say?

01:29:07.000 Oh, you know, just the same bullshit that anyone that gets on the internet.

01:29:10.000 Um, but I guess.

01:29:13.000 Well, a lot of people don't get threats.

01:29:15.000 from the cattle industry like what kind of what kind of threats are you getting oh i mean it's you know you guys should fucking die um you know i hope somebody fucking shoots you guys you know that sort of stuff whoa i hope somebody shoots you guys boys for in the yalka y'all Qaeda Ya Al Qaeda So why do they say why? 0.92

01:29:33.000 I mean, the film shows and exposes the atrocities of this industry, and that's a threat to a lot of people's livelihood.

01:29:41.000 And so, of course, there's going to be pushback.

01:29:42.000 Someone's saying that you should die because you showed facts.

01:29:45.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

01:29:46.000 We say nothing ourselves.

01:29:48.000 Exactly.

01:29:48.000 All we do is interview people.

01:29:49.000 All we do is interview people.

01:29:50.000 Well, you narrate a few of the facts and the numbers and statistics, but— We're not telling anybody what to do.

01:29:56.000 Exactly.

01:29:57.000 How could someone say that you should die because of that?

01:29:57.000 Yeah.

01:29:59.000 And, you know, one of the most emotional screenings, we went to Idaho because my dad's from Idaho, and, you know, he's a rancher.

01:30:04.000 My grandfather's a rancher, both of them.

01:30:06.000 And so I'm very sympathetic to what they're going through and what we're, you know, their next level of switch that has to happen or we're screwed.

01:30:15.000 You know, what do they do?

01:30:16.000 Are they going to learn a new trade all of a sudden, like how to grow organic vegetables when this is what they've been doing?

01:30:20.000 It's tough.

01:30:21.000 Well, it's a giant issue also that a lot of them are in debt.

01:30:23.000 A lot of them are barely getting by as it is.

01:30:27.000 The world of being a farmer is incredibly labor-intensive and very expensive and hard to turn a profit.

01:30:34.000 It's hard.

01:30:35.000 You know, we all know of farms that have gone under.

01:30:38.000 I mean, that's why they started those Farm Aid concerts and, you know, Willie Nelson.

01:30:41.000 Was it John Mellencamp?

01:30:42.000 Was it a bunch of those guys?

01:30:43.000 I mean, that was what that was all about, try to help the American farmer.

01:30:47.000 Yeah.

01:30:48.000 But, I mean, again, it's about providing information, let people make up their own minds.

01:30:48.000 Yeah.

01:30:52.000 But so we had concern, major concern about the film.

01:30:56.000 We just kind of let it go.

01:30:57.000 We just feel like, hey, we're protected by all the people who back us up, who supported the film.

01:31:03.000 and then leonardo caprio saw the film and got super excited about it they caught in touch with us and they his one of his producers, Jennifer Davidson, said, Hey, Leo saw your film, loves it, wants to be executive producer, wants to take it to Netflix.

01:31:19.000 Actually, he took it to Netflix already, and they're interested in taking the film on.

01:31:22.000 Whoa, right away?

01:31:23.000 He brought it to Netflix without even asking us?

01:31:25.000 Without even talking to us, which is awesome.

01:31:26.000 So gangster.

01:31:27.000 Yeah.

01:31:29.000 But so they, you know, of course, they had major concern.

01:31:31.000 Like, hey, here's Leonardo Caprio, like A-list celebrity, biggest name.

01:31:34.000 Like, he's putting his name on a super controversial film.

01:31:38.000 And so we went through the film again, and we, you know, just scoured it for all of our facts and backed everything up.

01:31:43.000 So, like, on our website, all the stats that we've thrown out through this podcast and in the film are on our website, calspiracy.com.

01:31:50.000 There's a fact page and it has linked to every single study and reference.

01:31:54.000 But so that was a major concern.

01:31:55.000 Like, hey, once a huge name and this hits totally mainstream went on Netflix back in September and it's just blown up.

01:32:02.000 Are we going to get even more pushback?

01:32:03.000 And so far, I think the industry, if the industry's smart, which is questionable, they'll continue to ignore us as best they can because it's only going to draw more attention if they come after us.

01:32:13.000 Is it possible that they can adapt?

01:32:16.000 Absolutely.

01:32:17.000 And that's the awesome.

01:32:17.000 What would they do?

01:32:18.000 Well, that's the awesome thing is that Silk Soy Milk is owned by one of the largest dairy companies in the U.S. because they looked at it and they said, hey, look, we're losing part of the market to plant-based milks.

01:32:31.000 We should buy plant-based milks. 0.51

01:32:33.000 Because, hey, they're not really interested in hurting animals.

01:32:35.000 They're not interested in hurting the planet.

01:32:37.000 They want to make money.

01:32:38.000 So it's like when people switch over to more sustainable foods, that's where they see the money and they're just going to follow the money.

01:32:43.000 So that's one of the real hopefuls for me.

01:32:45.000 That was another dark part of the movie.

01:32:47.000 It's watching dairy cows.

01:32:49.000 Watching how they're extracting the milk from it.

01:32:51.000 You're like, ooh.

01:32:52.000 And that was the best farm.

01:32:54.000 That was like the best of the best.

01:32:56.000 Kind of like when you said you visited your buddy's farm, we thought it was going to be nice and like, wow, this is going to be kind of a weird part of the film because you can see these beautiful cows and it's just one of those, they know their kids are up on the hill, face the other way, and they hang out by them, kind of stare at them, and just this, this, you know, a thousand cows, the visceral, the feeling you can feel in the air of just sadness.

01:32:56.000 Yeah.

01:33:18.000 It was, that was the toughest day.

01:33:20.000 We went to a slaughterhouse on Fear Factor once.

01:33:23.000 This stunt they had to do in a slaughterhouse.

01:33:26.000 And I remember the feeling that you got when you were in the building.

01:33:32.000 It was like, woo, dude.

01:33:34.000 Like, there's like a feeling in the air here.

01:33:38.000 Like, I don't want to be all hippy-dippy, woo-woo, crystals and all that jazz.

01:33:42.000 But I really felt like you could feel despair.

01:33:46.000 It was almost like a vibration that you could detect.

01:33:50.000 Like, this is very strange.

01:33:52.000 It's a very strange feeling.

01:33:53.000 Yeah, and then it's like, you know, those animals feel that.

01:33:55.000 And then it goes in, you know, adrenaline and all these hormones are pumped into their system the moment that they're killed.

01:34:00.000 And you're eating that.

01:34:01.000 And actually, maybe that's a good point for...

01:34:11.000 Super stoked that we are making our new film and it's called What the Health, that the exact same thing is happening to the health industry.

01:34:18.000 The leading cause of diseases, heart disease, diabetes, cancer is from eating animal products and the same thing is happening.

01:34:25.000 The American Cancer Society, the American Diabetic Society, all these organizations are not telling the information that's coming out of all these facts.

01:34:33.000 That's, you know, countless medical studies of what's really killing us and causing diseases.

01:34:38.000 So that's coming out here soon, too.

01:34:40.000 So that's exciting.

01:34:41.000 So what are the facts as far as what's causing cancer and how has that been proven?

01:34:45.000 So there's been a couple studies that show, I mean, there's the obvious ones like the World Health Organization just announced that the processed meat is linked to colon rectal cancer.

01:34:52.000 Okay, so processed meat being meat with chemical preservatives.

01:34:56.000 But it included bacon, ham, you know, all processed meat.

01:34:59.000 Processed with chemical preservatives.

01:35:00.000 And they put it in the same category as arsenic.

01:35:04.000 Yes, it's a carcinogenic.

01:35:07.000 Yes.

01:35:07.000 In the exact same category as tobacco smoking.

01:35:10.000 And that was after thousands of studies, and that blew people away because they cannot believe they actually announced that.

01:35:16.000 It was one of the biggest things.

01:35:18.000 And then now all these other organizations, they're slowly, you know, kind of putting it in the back of their website, maybe mentioning it, maybe not.

01:35:24.000 So we're doing the same thing in this film is that we're interviewing these organizations and uncovering, and it's so crazy how it's like the exact same thing as cowspiracy.

01:35:34.000 But there have also been studies linking grass-fed beef to healthy fats and that it's actually healthy for you to eat grass-fed animals.

01:35:42.000 So I think what you're talking about is just preservatives.

01:35:45.000 So you're talking about chemically processed animals?

01:35:47.000 Unfortunately, no, because the World Health Organization showed that red meat, unprocessed, just raw red meat, is a type 2 carcinogen.

01:35:54.000 And how are they making that distinction?

01:35:57.000 Are they following people that ate a healthy diet, healthy vegetables along with red meat?

01:36:03.000 They'll do these huge, like the EPIC Health Study, which has followed 250,000 people for over the last 40 years.

01:36:10.000 And so there's these massive population studies.

01:36:14.000 But the studies, and that's something we go into in the film, because you can look at it and be like, hey, red meat causes heart disease.

01:36:21.000 And then you'll have another study that says, no, no, these meats are actually good for you.

01:36:25.000 And then you just look at the funding.

01:36:26.000 Well, who funded the studies?

01:36:28.000 And the studies who are saying that meat's bad for you are funded by universities.

01:36:33.000 And the studies are saying this stuff is good for you is funded by the industry.

01:36:36.000 I mean, like literally paid for by the American Beef Council.

01:36:38.000 And then, I mean, this film's crazy.

01:36:40.000 It's probably crazier in a way than Cal Spiracy.

01:36:42.000 Because we also add in the link that we didn't have to deal with in the first issue.

01:36:46.000 You're talking about like fear and stuff.

01:36:47.000 The pharmaceutical company, how they're tied into this trinity.

01:36:51.000 You have the animal agriculture industry, you have the lobby group, you have the government, you have the health organizations, then you have the pharmaceutical companies that profit off people getting sick from eating their products.

01:37:02.000 So you have this crazy thing.

01:37:04.000 So you're saying the pharmaceutical companies that profit off of people getting sick from eating meat support meat because they are aware, willingfully are aware that people are getting sick from them and they want to make sure that they have unhealthy people to treat.

01:37:18.000 I mean, look, you have a $2 trillion stint industry.

01:37:23.000 You have literally trillion-dollar industries who make drugs and who make surgeries.

01:37:29.000 They don't want that to go away.

01:37:31.000 They want that to continue.

01:37:33.000 But you really think they're actively trying to keep people unhealthy?

01:37:37.000 Yeah, how do you support it?

01:37:38.000 You know, again, it's about information.

01:37:39.000 It's about suppressing information.

01:37:41.000 It's about suppressing.

01:37:42.000 It's not wanting keeping people healthy.

01:37:45.000 Again, you look to these health organizations, that's what you look to to tell us the truth.

01:37:50.000 You look at the environmental groups, they're suppressing this information of the thousands of thousands of studies upon studies that have this information over and over, yet it's not being told to us.

01:38:00.000 Right, but the pharmaceutical companies, do they even have to suppress information?

01:38:04.000 Most people willfully ignore information.

01:38:07.000 So why would they go out of their way to suppress information when it doesn't seem like there's any sort of pressure or trend for people to get healthier?

01:38:15.000 Yeah, I mean, absolutely.

01:38:17.000 But it's pretty interesting when you follow, you look at these health organizations, you look at their donors.

01:38:21.000 Their biggest donors are pharmaceutical companies.

01:38:23.000 And then their second biggest donors are meat and dairy producers.

01:38:27.000 So do you think that that's to ensure that people stay ignorant?

01:38:31.000 I think that the simple fact.

01:38:35.000 If you have diabetes, type 2 diabetes, leading cause of type 2 diabetes is from eating animal proteins.

01:38:42.000 Yeah, but here's the problem with saying that.

01:38:44.000 They're eating other things as well.

01:38:46.000 And how are you monitoring these people's diets?

01:38:48.000 Are you making sure that you're watching what these people put in their body?

01:38:52.000 They're not putting in processed foods.

01:38:54.000 They're not putting in chemicals.

01:38:55.000 They're only eating meat and vegetables.

01:38:57.000 Okay, are they only eating meat?

01:38:58.000 Like, what the fuck are they eating?

01:39:00.000 So that's this awesome thing.

01:39:00.000 How do you know?

01:39:01.000 There's a study, NIH study, that looked at, follow people's diets for, I think, four years, huge group of people, and looked at just that.

01:39:10.000 You know, it's like, hey, what is the role?

01:39:12.000 What is the link?

01:39:13.000 Environmental, whether they live in cities.

01:39:15.000 And so, you know, stress levels, all huge, huge, all the different aspects.

01:39:15.000 Yeah, totally.

01:39:20.000 Then they took just animal products out.

01:39:22.000 They left them have their total shitty diets, just totally processed, crappy sugar food. 0.73

01:39:28.000 They monitor these people or they let these people report their diets?

01:39:31.000 There's a couple, there's at least five studies that have done similar sort of things, and I think some of them have been straight monitored.

01:39:37.000 And how many people were talking about in these studies?

01:39:39.000 Thousands and thousands.

01:39:40.000 Thousands of people that they made report their diet and then told them they couldn't eat meat, but they could eat shitty foods.

01:39:46.000 And they listened?

01:39:46.000 Yeah, they said it.

01:39:47.000 Well, I mean, as far as we know.

01:39:49.000 Yeah.

01:39:50.000 I know, totally.

01:39:51.000 I think high-level skepticism is totally needed.

01:39:53.000 You got a point, but when it's study after study after study, and there's this correlation.

01:39:57.000 See, I haven't seen study after study after study.

01:39:59.000 That's the problem with film science.

01:40:00.000 The film is these things are, you know, talking about digging deep and investigating.

01:40:00.000 That's the problem.

01:40:05.000 But people have been eating meat forever.

01:40:07.000 And so it's this link between carbohydrates and fat.

01:40:07.000 Right.

01:40:11.000 So you can eat a high-fat diet and low carbohydrates, and you won't necessarily develop diabetes.

01:40:16.000 Right.

01:40:16.000 Ketogenic.

01:40:17.000 A ketogenic diet also prevents not diabetes, epilepsy.

01:40:23.000 That's a huge issue in children.

01:40:25.000 When they start giving them high-fat diets, they're finding that low-carbohydrate, high-fat diets that introduce a state of ketosis is actually very good at preventing symptoms of epilepsy in children.

01:40:37.000 My partner, she works with a young girl with epilepsy and she's on the ketogenic.

01:40:40.000 But she's actually, she's raw vegan too, even, and still ketogenic.

01:40:40.000 It's amazing.

01:40:43.000 So you can still get a lot of money.

01:40:44.000 A lot of avocado oil, peanut oil.

01:40:48.000 But that doesn't necessarily protect you from heart disease, but diabetes.

01:40:52.000 So when you eat a high carbohydrate, high-fat diet, that's when you develop.

01:40:56.000 Now, what about sedentary lifestyle?

01:40:58.000 What about all the different factors that come into play with keeping a person's body healthy?

01:41:03.000 Like, I've heard that one of the primary factors in cardiovascular disease is sedentary lifestyle, is the fact that your body atrophies.

01:41:10.000 As much as your muscles atrophy and your back deteriorates, your heart does as well.

01:41:15.000 And that a lot of that could be mitigated with exercise.

01:41:17.000 And then one of the correlations that people are ignoring when they study diet and the diet in relationship to people's health is what are they doing with their body?

01:41:26.000 What is the physical daily activity level of their body?

01:41:30.000 And how much is that factored in?

01:41:32.000 Because you can't just factor in a person's diet.

01:41:34.000 Like your body is a machine.

01:41:36.000 Your body is this biological, diverse machine that is a whole ecosystem inside of it.

01:41:42.000 And if you don't stress it and if you don't force it to work, it gets weak.

01:41:45.000 It just does.

01:41:46.000 It just does.

01:41:47.000 If you don't demand resources, it will slowly deteriorate.

01:41:51.000 Absolutely.

01:41:52.000 But we explore that too, you know, how much exercise has a role and it's huge, it's massive.

01:41:58.000 But you still have to clean your engine out.

01:42:00.000 You have to clean your pipes out, you know, and that's what it's doing.

01:42:02.000 It's pumping the engine.

01:42:03.000 But when you have clogged arteries, it comes to a point where it can be dangerous.

01:42:08.000 And if you just do a clean diet for even, you know, try 30 days or something, all that flushing out of you when you're sitting on the toilet for four or five times a day, or 10 times a day, it's just flushing all the shit inside of you.

01:42:20.000 And even if your ex starts exercising every time a day, that's trying to process this food that you're putting into it that it can't do just through exercise.

01:42:28.000 And there was a study.

01:42:29.000 But there's not food that's like laying inside your body.

01:42:32.000 There's not like caked food inside of people's body.

01:42:32.000 That's a myth.

01:42:35.000 That whole idea that every man has six pounds of undigested meat, you're dead if that's the case, by the way.

01:42:41.000 But you do have plaque building up in your eyes.

01:42:43.000 There's definitely plaque, but again, that speaks to a person's level of physical activity.

01:42:47.000 There's different nutritional demands for someone that has a rigorous physical activity schedule than someone who doesn't.

01:42:53.000 And when you give your body the same amount of food as someone who's like, say, a fucking sprinter or something like that, or a marathon runner, someone who's constantly burning off fuel, if you give your body, if you have a sedentary lifestyle in front of a computer sitting in a cubicle all day, and you give your body the same amount of food that the person who's a jogger consumes, you're going to get fat and fucked up because you're taking in too many calories and that's a contributor, a massive contributor to heart disease.

01:43:17.000 That has to be considered always when you're talking about what's going on with a person's body.

01:43:22.000 Then you've got biodiversity.

01:43:24.000 Like where are these people from?

01:43:25.000 Like what part of the world are their ancestors from?

01:43:28.000 Because your genetics have different biological requirements.

01:43:31.000 We go into genetics too.

01:43:32.000 We have a whole chapter on genetics.

01:43:34.000 Genetics was only as far as diseases, but as far as diet too, I mean, that's another subject that we get into.

01:43:42.000 So that's one of the aspects of it.

01:43:43.000 But going back to the lifestyle and exercise, there's a huge study that just came out.

01:43:47.000 It's 40,000 people in Sweden.

01:43:50.000 And they showed that having a being active versus the difference between someone who exercises all the time, who's overweight, and someone who's skinny, who's sedentary.

01:44:06.000 You're less likely to die from being sedentary and skinny than being overweight and active.

01:44:14.000 Well, that makes sense.

01:44:15.000 I mean, well, also, you're dealing with someone whose body has gotten to a point where it's deteriorated so poorly that the actual stress of exercise can be detrimental.

01:44:23.000 Exactly.

01:44:24.000 Like, there's some people that they actually say, like, look, before you engage in any sort of exercise, you're going to have to lose weight.

01:44:30.000 You're going to have to change your diet and give your body a lot of nutrients.

01:44:34.000 Like, you have a really nutrient-deficient diet.

01:44:37.000 But, of course, osteoporosis, there's a lot of different diseases that people get from having nutrient-deficient diets.

01:44:45.000 It's a big contributor to it.

01:44:46.000 That's why when women have osteoporosis, they give them calcium. 1.00

01:44:49.000 So one of the things that mitigates it.

01:44:51.000 Yeah, well, I mean, so this new film goes into huge depth about it.

01:44:56.000 Similar to Cowspiracy, it's just packed full of information.

01:44:58.000 But my point about this disease thing, like saying that it causes cancer and all these things, it's not just trying to be skeptical just for no reason.

01:45:06.000 It's that what is stopping these people from eating nutrient-rich vegetables and really a broad variety of nutrient-rich foods as well as meat?

01:45:23.000 And if you did that, would that be bad for you?

01:45:25.000 If you had a rigorous exercise schedule and you took care of your body, drank a lot of water, and you ate nutrient-dense foods as well as meat, what kind of cancer are you getting there?

01:45:35.000 Because that's really how people are supposed to live.

01:45:38.000 Like, it's not necessarily that the only problem is that they're eating meat.

01:45:42.000 That may be a problem, but it may not be.

01:45:44.000 It may be a problem just because your body's just shit because you're not doing anything with it.

01:45:48.000 Yeah.

01:45:49.000 I mean, it's definitely not something that film explores.

01:45:51.000 It's the associations too, these strong associations between certain types of foods and lifestyle.

01:45:56.000 So that's what the whole film's about.

01:45:57.000 It's what the health, because it's asking that question.

01:45:59.000 It's like, what the health is going on with our health in the United States?

01:46:02.000 Well, there's another study that came out recently that talked about living in urban environments.

01:46:05.000 It takes 10 years off your life.

01:46:06.000 Like, we're breathing in brake dust all the time and not even thinking about it.

01:46:10.000 Everybody's worried about carbon dioxide and the poison that comes out of exhaust engines, from engines.

01:46:16.000 But brake dust is fucking terrible for you.

01:46:19.000 It's a leading polluter of waterways and the stuff that washes off into the ocean.

01:46:25.000 There's something to be considered about that as well.

01:46:28.000 Totally.

01:46:28.000 It's crazy.

01:46:29.000 There's so many stats.

01:46:30.000 We've been editing non-stop, so it's like running on three hours of sleep that I want to share about how just eating once a week when you already have cancer, was it diabetes, how just like once a week, how it raised a certain percentage of coming back again, just one time a week.

01:46:45.000 What do you mean by eating once a week a day?

01:46:46.000 So for example, like eating, if you have a woman who has had breast cancer, by eating one serving of whole dairy a day increases her chance of dying from breast cancer.

01:46:56.000 Okay, you weren't being clear.

01:46:57.000 I was unfortunate.

01:46:58.000 I understand what you're saying by once a week.

01:46:59.000 Or eating two servings of processed meat a day increases your chance of developing.

01:47:04.000 It's just, I mean, yeah, a day, though.

01:47:06.000 It increases your chance of dying from colorectal cancer by 40%.

01:47:11.000 I mean, just huge, huge correlations.

01:47:15.000 It's, you know, again, it's a huge, whole complex issue.

01:47:18.000 Just in the same way with cowspiracy.

01:47:19.000 When we went into doing cowspiracy, we went in, you know, just looking, looking at the information and just presenting it all and just finding out where's these studies coming from, what are their sources.

01:47:29.000 then we're doing the same thing with this film.

01:47:30.000 It's really shaping up to be, It's scary.

01:47:36.000 It's got comic aspects the same way cowspiracy does.

01:47:39.000 Super controversial.

01:47:40.000 And again, it doesn't tell people what to do.

01:47:42.000 It just provides the information.

01:47:43.000 It allows people to make up their own minds.

01:47:45.000 And you bring up great points, though, about exercise and all that other stuff.

01:47:48.000 Well, also in consuming nutrient-rich foods, like in saying that meat is the issue.

01:47:53.000 Well, no one dairy is.

01:47:55.000 Dairy is just not fucking good for you.

01:47:57.000 It tastes awesome, though.

01:47:58.000 Unfortunately, it's great with cookies.

01:48:00.000 But it's just not good for you.

01:48:02.000 It creates a lot of phlegm.

01:48:04.000 Raw milk is better than homogenized or pasteurized milk, but it's not the best shit for you.

01:48:11.000 But my point being, how can you isolate that it is the consumption of meat that causes cancer and not the lack of nutrients from nutrient-dense foods along with meat?

01:48:22.000 And is it an imbalance in the diet or is it meat causing cancer?

01:48:26.000 Well, it's kind of, that's what they do.

01:48:27.000 So that's a big part of it.

01:48:28.000 There's so much correlation to the tobacco industry that happened about 20 years ago to the meat and dairy industry.

01:48:33.000 Kind of like how Keegan was saying.

01:48:35.000 You see these other studies that you'll hear of, you know, the butter fat is good for you, the cholesterol is good for the brain, the brain, grain brain.

01:48:42.000 And then you see who it's funded and you look deep into it.

01:48:46.000 Is that where these studies come from and what the, you know, there's a movie out.

01:48:52.000 Have you seen Merchants of Doubt?

01:48:53.000 Yes.

01:48:54.000 Amazing.

01:48:54.000 Yeah, amazing.

01:48:55.000 And that's what's happening with this industry.

01:48:56.000 All you have to create is doubt.

01:48:59.000 Explain that movie if you want, because people might not have seen it, and it's really an important movie.

01:49:03.000 Yeah, so it basically explores, and that's a big part of this film.

01:49:06.000 It's happened in the tobacco industry.

01:49:07.000 You don't have to prove that cigarette smoking is going to kill it.

01:49:11.000 You just have to just put a little bit of doubt, just a little bit of doubt, and just like, remember when butter was on the cover of Time, and then everybody, oh my God, butter.

01:49:20.000 Or, you know, just recently about how lettuce or bacon was more, lettuce was more unsustainable than bacon.

01:49:27.000 And it's like, oh, God, thank God now I can eat bacon.

01:49:30.000 And just that little bit of doubt.

01:49:32.000 And if that's all you have, then boom, you got them.

01:49:35.000 So the tobacco industry did that for years and years.

01:49:37.000 And just like you're talking about, how do they know these studies?

01:49:39.000 Because there's thousands of studies and then there'll be one, two, three of these other ones.

01:49:44.000 And those one, two, three, oh my God, that's the one I want to see.

01:49:47.000 Well, they had hired these people to go on these shows and argue against the idea that tobacco smoke was cancerous.

01:49:54.000 And so they did it in such a boisterous, loud, robust way that people started believing them.

01:50:02.000 And now you have the paleo and the butter, the fat, how fat is good for you.

01:50:06.000 You have these very strong personalities that are.

01:50:08.000 Well, they were the same people, though, that were doing it about the environment.

01:50:11.000 That's what was confusing and scary.

01:50:13.000 These guys that were working for the tobacco companies initially then started doing it about issues with the environment.

01:50:19.000 And you realize that the same people, and you're like, what in the fuck?

01:50:23.000 Like, whoa, this is crazy.

01:50:24.000 And then you find out where they're getting paid.

01:50:26.000 You're like, this is so transparent.

01:50:28.000 Right.

01:50:28.000 And then now it's the meat and dairy industry.

01:50:29.000 It's kind of like the last to fall of these.

01:50:32.000 And then that's when it comes down to, you know, where AWRC's getting funded and where that merchant of doubt, where are those guys working now?

01:50:39.000 Where's this industry where they're putting their specialties of marketing?

01:50:44.000 Well, a lot of it's going to one of the most, if not the most powerful industry in the entire planet, meat and dairy.

01:50:50.000 Well, I think we could all agree that as human beings, what we need for sure is access to information about things that affect us.

01:50:59.000 When it comes to health, and when it comes to diet, when it comes to, when you find out that studies, like I used to do this joke about, I'm sure you're aware that the partnership for a drug-free America was funded by alcohol and tobacco companies and pharmaceutical companies.

01:51:11.000 That's where they got all their money from.

01:51:12.000 And they would do these commercials against pot.

01:51:14.000 And I said, that's like hookers doing commercials against strippers. 1.00

01:51:16.000 It's the most ridiculous fucking shit ever.

01:51:19.000 But if you ever watch those preposterous commercials, like the girl with the talking dog, she comes home from school and her dog's telling her to stop getting high.

01:51:26.000 Like, that's funded by pill companies.

01:51:29.000 And the idea behind that, that that could be legal, that you can do that, and then you could put that commercial on television and not say, hey, the pill company, partnership for a drug-free America.

01:51:39.000 Like, what does that mean?

01:51:41.000 Drug companies stopping other business.

01:51:44.000 That's exactly what it is.

01:51:45.000 And we need information, and we need it to be really clear.

01:51:49.000 And if you are trying to stop information, like that stupid fucking part of the Patriot Act, if you're trying to stop information from getting to people, that is un-American, okay?

01:51:59.000 That is non-progressive.

01:52:02.000 That is something that we shouldn't allow in this age of information.

01:52:05.000 You can't stop information when it pertains to the health and the ethical considerations of an entire population of a country.

01:52:14.000 You just fucking can't.

01:52:15.000 Exactly.

01:52:16.000 And that's, again, what our whole mission is just providing information.

01:52:16.000 Exactly.

01:52:20.000 Like, people say, like, hey, don't tell people how to live their lives.

01:52:22.000 I'm full on.

01:52:23.000 Don't tell people how to live their lives.

01:52:24.000 Well, you didn't.

01:52:25.000 Yeah, the first way you get someone to put up a wall is tell them what to do.

01:52:28.000 Give them the information, allow people to make their own minds.

01:52:30.000 And that's exactly what we're seeing.

01:52:31.000 We're seeing people making massive lifestyle changes and political changes based off of our first film, Cal Spiracy.

01:52:38.000 And, you know, the potential, again, is there for any film to do that.

01:52:41.000 It's just give the information, unbiased, let people decide for themselves.

01:52:45.000 And that's where I'm super excited about the new film for that reason, that it's another chapter.

01:52:50.000 It's another window into a world that we haven't really gotten to see before.

01:52:54.000 Well, wherever there's money, right, you're going to have someone who's trying to make more of it and trying to stop any information that gets out that's going to prevent them from making more of it.

01:53:04.000 And money just sort of finds holes and cracks and leaks through.

01:53:08.000 And that's sort of, you know, like a river or something, you know, like streams of water.

01:53:14.000 It just finds a way through.

01:53:16.000 That's what's so cool, like at the end of the film, where we show that it was so dark in the making of the food, of actually making it.

01:53:22.000 We said, you know, let's look if there's a glimmer of hope.

01:53:24.000 And then we saw these, you know, these plant, what's it, Beyond Meat and the Beyond Egg.

01:53:29.000 And then we found out Bill Gates and the guys from Twitter, they're putting their money into these new plant-based foods because they see this as the future.

01:53:39.000 You know, these billionaires look five years, ten years down the road, and that's where they're putting their money.

01:53:43.000 So now the money is going there, not ethically, not even for the environment.

01:53:46.000 They're doing it because they see it's making money.

01:53:48.000 Now there's only a few plants that have a full amino acid profile, right?

01:53:53.000 There's only a few plants that are complete proteins.

01:53:55.000 It's like quinoa, hemp, and there's a few other ones.

01:53:58.000 Well, they all have complete, they all have all the amino acids.

01:54:01.000 It's just they have them at different levels.

01:54:03.000 So it's like, you know, you have your 23 amino acids, and they'll be high in six and low in, you know, the others.

01:54:09.000 But they don't all have the same amino acids that meat does.

01:54:12.000 No.

01:54:13.000 So they have all of them do?

01:54:14.000 Every plant that has protein, like broccoli has protein.

01:54:17.000 So broccoli has all the amino acids that a meat does?

01:54:20.000 As far as I know, yeah.

01:54:21.000 And so what it is, because there used to be that belief that you had to combine foods, and so it's like you had to eat brown rice and broccoli.

01:54:26.000 But the truth is that just eat a very diet and you get the exact levels that you need.

01:54:32.000 The belief in like that eating meat has the amino acids that are closest to our own proteins, well then logically we should eat human beings.

01:54:42.000 That would be the healthiest food to eat.

01:54:43.000 But that's not really the healthiest food for people.

01:54:46.000 Why would that be the case then?

01:54:47.000 Well, that's the whole basis of that.

01:54:49.000 Meat, that's where the amino acids are. 0.54

01:54:51.000 Right, but no one's arguing that, right?

01:54:53.000 What they're saying is that you should eat what we've eaten up until now.

01:54:57.000 Like all the thousands of years of human development we've developed specifically for certain diets.

01:55:02.000 That's why biodiversity, when you talk to people from different parts of the world, they might require different nutrients because their genetics have adapted to the nutrients that are in their environment.

01:55:11.000 Right?

01:55:11.000 Right.

01:55:12.000 Right.

01:55:12.000 So no one's saying that you should eat people.

01:55:14.000 That's kind of a disingenuous argument, right?

01:55:16.000 Well, yeah, but I mean, but to say that we have to eat meat, because that's often the argument, is that, well, we have to eat these foods.

01:55:22.000 Well, they're saying, I think what they're trying to, sorry to interrupt you, but I think they're saying to optimize, to optimize your performance, your health, your vitality, that animal-based proteins are more efficient.

01:55:34.000 And that's the part our film goes into, like efficiency, efficiency in long-endurance athletes.

01:55:40.000 So you're talking about Scott Jurek, the biggest, longest, the most healthiest, long-endurance athlete right now, Scott Jurek, he's strictly on a plant-based diet because it's the most efficient form of converting.

01:55:55.000 Right, but you're talking about endurance athletes.

01:55:57.000 You're talking about skinny guys that run a long time.

01:55:59.000 You're not talking about explosive athletes.

01:56:03.000 If you looked at like mixed martial artists, for example, or boxers or explosive athletes that have to optimize the physical capacity of their body, there's very, very, very, very, very few that have vegan diets.

01:56:14.000 And few have tried it and they felt weak.

01:56:16.000 John Fitch was one of them.

01:56:18.000 John Fitch, who did it, I believe, for ethical reasons, also because he wanted to try to optimize his health.

01:56:22.000 He just found himself to be much weaker when he was on a vegan diet.

01:56:26.000 It's a big thing about that.

01:56:27.000 I mean, there's Mac Danzig.

01:56:29.000 He was, you know, vegan.

01:56:31.000 And again, Mac, who's a good fighter, never reached a championship level.

01:56:31.000 Yes.

01:56:36.000 He was a very smart guy, very intelligent guy, and did it for all the right reasons, and a real environmentalist and a very aware guy.

01:56:44.000 Just a real brilliant guy all around.

01:56:46.000 But he never reached that championship potential that some feel that you need to eat animal-based protein.

01:56:54.000 It's just an argument for that.

01:56:55.000 Yeah, I mean, it's definitely an interesting argument.

01:56:57.000 I think the big part of it is that there's so few vegan athletes right now.

01:57:01.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

01:57:01.000 I think that is a big part of the population.

01:57:03.000 there's only 1% of vegans.

01:57:04.000 So, you know, if that percent, Right.

01:57:10.000 0.01.

01:57:11.000 right, but out of elite athletes, what percentage of elite athletes are vegans?

01:57:14.000 We're actually looking into that because, you know, depending on what you're looking into, long endurance, like when Carl Lewis, when he was at his peak, he said he was completely vegan when he was at his peak.

01:57:23.000 But he was also on steroids.

01:57:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:57:26.000 This helped.

01:57:28.000 I mean, you know, he was caught with something.

01:57:30.000 He was caught with some sort of a stimulant.

01:57:31.000 It was at the same time that Glenn Johnson was caught, or Ben Johnson rather.

01:57:35.000 You know, when Ben Johnson was caught with steroids, Carl Lewis was caught with something too.

01:57:39.000 And Carlos had been caught with other things before.

01:57:41.000 Like, you know, when I had Victor Conte in here, it was with the Balco guy, and he sort of explained all the different modalities and methods that these.

01:57:50.000 He's like, every track and field athlete's dirty.

01:57:53.000 He's like, they're all dirty.

01:57:54.000 And he was saying the same thing about Tour de France.

01:57:56.000 He's like, this idea that these guys are doing it clean, bullshit.

01:57:59.000 They're all dirty.

01:58:00.000 So when you say, these guys are doing amazing, they're on a plant-based diet, and EPO, and testosterone, and HGH, and blood doping, and everyone else's, too.

01:58:12.000 Yes, it's true.

01:58:13.000 One thing, the strongest guy in Germany, what's the Patrick Boo.

01:58:16.000 Patrick.

01:58:17.000 The strongest guy in Germany.

01:58:19.000 Yeah, he's one strong man.

01:58:20.000 He's stronger.

01:58:21.000 Oh, one of those barrel-tossing characters. 1.00

01:58:24.000 Yeah, world record holder.

01:58:25.000 He's the, yeah, has two Guinness Broad records for yokelifts and just super beast.

01:58:32.000 100% vegan.

01:58:33.000 But, you know, I think that it's one aspect of it.

01:58:36.000 You know, as you're saying, like, we're machines.

01:58:37.000 So it's like, put the right fuel in the machine to run it.

01:58:40.000 I'm the wrong guy to have this conversation with you guys, honestly, because I just don't know enough.

01:58:45.000 And I would love to have some sort of someone who really understands human physiology.

01:58:50.000 That's why I don't want to throw out numbers because there's so much editing we're still going through.

01:58:53.000 It's just blowing our mind, though.

01:58:56.000 Someone from the paleo community that's really smart, like a Rob Wolfe guy would be a good guy to talk to you guys.

01:59:00.000 Well, and that's the other thing, too, is that I don't think we're even equipped to make the arguments because we're not doctors.

01:59:06.000 We're not scientists.

01:59:07.000 I mean, it's the same thing with cow spears.

01:59:08.000 People want to argue with us on statistics and say, hey, look, we're just reporting what other people have.

01:59:12.000 Well, who would be?

01:59:13.000 If I wanted to get two guys together, like a Rob Wolf and then a scientist who's supporting the vegan diet, who would those two be?

01:59:19.000 Garth Davis.

01:59:21.000 There's a few people who just go off on the whole paleo thing.

01:59:25.000 from a physiological level to, you know, to every single level of what paleo is actually really ate and what they were doing.

01:59:32.000 Well, that's, that's sort of that.

01:59:35.000 I think the problem is with the name paleo.

01:59:37.000 But the idea of people eating things that are easily digestible, that's normal food, like lettuces and grasses and vegetables and meats and chicken and fish.

01:59:47.000 That's what their idea is.

01:59:48.000 Garth Davis is a good one.

01:59:50.000 He's a character too.

01:59:51.000 That would be cool.

01:59:52.000 Okay, I'll write that guy.

01:59:53.000 I'll try to fly them both out.

01:59:53.000 Super funny.

01:59:54.000 We'll give you a contact if you want.

01:59:56.000 Because, you know, people always complain that I have these one-sided conversations with people like you guys, and I don't bring anybody in to, and then I'm stuck trying to do it myself, and I'm ill-equipped.

02:00:04.000 So Garth Davis.

02:00:05.000 But that's one of the cool things I think about your show is that you have super eclectic guests.

02:00:09.000 You have people from so many different spectrums.

02:00:13.000 I mean, again, from one end of hardcore paleo sort of folks to our friend Rich Roll, who says hi, by the way.

02:00:21.000 I love that dude.

02:00:21.000 Rich is awesome.

02:00:22.000 Awesome guy.

02:00:22.000 He's awesome.

02:00:23.000 Great, great guy.

02:00:24.000 Yeah, plant-based endurance athlete.

02:00:26.000 Well, I try to have an open mind.

02:00:28.000 As much as open as possible while trying to enjoy this experience.

02:00:32.000 Watch what's your health when it comes out.

02:00:34.000 What the health when it comes out.

02:00:36.000 Pitch man, look at you.

02:00:38.000 Definitely watch it.

02:00:39.000 Two hours of sleep.

02:00:40.000 We had a drive from San Francisco.

02:00:41.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

02:00:43.000 Yeah, well, I'll definitely watch it.

02:00:44.000 100%.

02:00:46.000 I think you guys did a fantastic job with this documentary.

02:00:48.000 I really do.

02:00:49.000 And I think I hope that, you know, as I said, that I think information is the most important thing.

02:00:54.000 And when people are trying to deny information or restrict information based on the worry that they're going to lose money because they're doing something unethical, that should be a fucking crime.

02:01:04.000 It shouldn't be a crime that you film that.

02:01:06.000 That shouldn't be a crime.

02:01:08.000 It shouldn't be a crime that you show someone kicking a fucking cow or beating it over the head with a sledgehammer like we have seen if you watch those videos.

02:01:14.000 It shouldn't be a crime to film that.

02:01:15.000 It should be a crime to do that.

02:01:17.000 And it should be a crime to support that.

02:01:21.000 It's fucked up.

02:01:22.000 It's against what people want in this day and age.

02:01:25.000 And I think the analogy of finding out that slaves make your genes is like, it really is.

02:01:30.000 I mean, it's probably worse because you're eating it.

02:01:33.000 It's a different thing because it's actually becoming a part of your body.

02:01:36.000 It's just as bad.

02:01:38.000 Or not worse, or whatever.

02:01:39.000 It's bad.

02:01:40.000 Why am I quantifying?

02:01:42.000 Is there anything else you guys would like to say before we wrap this up?

02:01:45.000 Thanks so much for having us.

02:01:46.000 We really appreciate it.

02:01:47.000 Encourage people to go to our website, cowspiracy.com.

02:01:47.000 My pleasure.

02:01:49.000 Again, it has all the stats and statistics, has a link to where you can watch the film on Netflix.

02:01:54.000 We had a book that just came out called The Sustainability Secret that covers even more statistics and information and behind-the-scenes stuff that happened in the film.

02:02:02.000 You can get that through our website as well.

02:02:04.000 And then check out our new film, What the Health.

02:02:06.000 You can find that through our website, cowspiracy.com.

02:02:08.000 All right, folks.

02:02:10.000 Anything else?

02:02:10.000 Would you like to?

02:02:11.000 Just thank you very much.

02:02:12.000 My pleasure.

02:02:13.000 I appreciate you guys coming on.

02:02:13.000 My pleasure.

02:02:14.000 And I really enjoyed your documentary.

02:02:16.000 So congratulations on an awesome job.

02:02:18.000 And What the Health?

02:02:19.000 I'll check that out too.

02:02:20.000 Thanks for watching.

02:02:21.000 Thanks, guys.

02:02:22.000 All right, folks.

02:02:23.000 That's it for this week.

02:02:24.000 We'll be back next week.

02:02:25.000 Lots of fun.

02:02:26.000 Enjoy your weekend.

02:02:27.000 See you soon.

02:02:27.000 Bye-bye.

02:02:28.000 All right, you fucks.

02:02:29.000 I hope you enjoyed the shit out of that podcast.

02:02:31.000 I did.

02:02:32.000 I enjoyed talking to those guys.

02:02:34.000 And I appreciate them coming on.

02:02:37.000 I appreciate all of you fuckheads as well.

02:02:42.000 I say fuckheads.

02:02:43.000 With all love.

02:02:45.000 Nothing but love when I say fuckheads.

02:02:47.000 Thanks to Blue Apron. 1.00

02:02:49.000 Go to blueapron.com forward slash Rogan.

02:02:52.000 Try that shit out.

02:02:53.000 They're delicious.

02:02:53.000 They're good for you.

02:02:54.000 Thank you to Caveman Coffee.

02:02:55.000 Go to cavemancoffeeco.com.

02:02:58.000 Enjoy some motherfucking awesome coffee.

02:03:02.000 They better not do a documentary about how coffee's bad.

02:03:04.000 I'll come to their house.

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02:03:22.000 I'm having Mark Sisson from the Primal Blueprint.

02:03:26.000 Maybe he'll be able to shed some light.

02:03:27.000 He's on next week.

02:03:28.000 Hannibal.

02:03:29.000 Hannibal Burris.

02:03:31.000 He'll be on next week too.

02:03:33.000 Burras? 0.94

02:03:33.000 Burris? 0.94

02:03:34.000 Burris.

02:03:35.000 I said it wrong the first time, right?

02:03:37.000 Burras. 0.90

02:03:38.000 And that's it, you fucking animals.

02:03:40.000 See you soon.

02:03:41.000 Bye-bye.

02:03:42.000 Much love.

02:03:43.000 Here's a kiss for you.

02:03:44.000 Take a word in the face.

02:03:47.000 Love the shit out of you fucking people.

02:03:48.000 Keep it real and fresh.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 22, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #750 - Kip Andersen, Keegan Kuhn

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