The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #757 - Gary Clark, Jr.

00:00:03.000 Yes!

00:00:03.000 Gary Clark Jr., welcome to the show.

00:00:05.000 Thank you.

00:00:06.000 How are you?

00:00:06.000 I'm great, man.

00:00:07.000 I'm great.

00:00:08.000 I owe Ari Shafir to connect me to you.

00:00:11.000 He's the one who connected me.

00:00:13.000 Yeah.

00:00:13.000 He goes, check this out.

00:00:14.000 He played Numb for me. 1.00

00:00:16.000 I go, who is this motherfucker? 1.00

00:00:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:00:19.000 And then from there on, I've been a Gary Clark Jr. fan.

00:00:22.000 Awesome.

00:00:22.000 Respect to Ari.

00:00:23.000 Appreciate it.

00:00:24.000 Here we are.

00:00:24.000 Yeah, man.

00:00:26.000 What's going on, man?

00:00:27.000 Oh man, just trying to figure out LA. I came out here in July and just kind of figuring it out, man.

00:00:33.000 Is not Austin.

00:00:35.000 Not at all.

00:00:36.000 No.

00:00:36.000 Not at all.

00:00:37.000 But I'm starting to get a little bit, you know, familiar, and Austin's a couple hours away on an airplane, so I can figure it out.

00:00:45.000 But yeah, man, I'm glad you hit me up.

00:00:48.000 The Honey Honey crew.

00:00:51.000 Yeah.

00:00:52.000 That's the one who popped that off.

00:00:54.000 Yeah, yeah, Suzanne connected us. 0.98

00:00:56.000 Yeah, they're great.

00:00:57.000 They're good people, man.

00:00:58.000 I love those guys.

00:00:59.000 Yeah, I ran into them at Bridge School Benefit, a new young thing, so it's good to reconnect.

00:01:05.000 First time I came out here, we did a gig with them.

00:01:07.000 Oh, really?

00:01:08.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.98

00:01:09.000 So what made you move from Austin, which is like one of the best spots in the world, if you could pull it off, to California, which is still one of the best spots in the world if you can pull it off, but so much more complex, so much more bullshit, so much more ego, 0.82

00:01:25.000 so much more traffic, so much more... 0.98

00:01:28.000 Actors.

00:01:30.000 Right?

00:01:32.000 That's true, man.

00:01:33.000 That's very true.

00:01:34.000 But I spent some time in New York City.

00:01:37.000 I spent my whole life in Austin.

00:01:39.000 Always wanted to come out west and figure out what it's like, you know?

00:01:42.000 And so I got the opportunity to do it.

00:01:44.000 So I'm just out here checking it out.

00:01:46.000 Been here a few months.

00:01:46.000 So there was no specific pulling reason?

00:01:49.000 You said, let me just try LA. Nah, me and my girl just decided we would spend some time out here.

00:01:55.000 I like it.

00:01:56.000 I like moves like that, man.

00:01:57.000 I think about doing those all the time.

00:01:59.000 But my wife is so not into that. 0.99

00:02:01.000 Because I moved that bitch to the top of a mountain at one time. 1.00

00:02:04.000 And she almost fell off the cliff. 1.00

00:02:06.000 Oh, for real?

00:02:06.000 She kept driving the snow.

00:02:08.000 My dog got killed by a mountain lion. 1.00

00:02:10.000 A bunch of shit happened. 1.00

00:02:12.000 Meanwhile, I was in heaven. 1.00

00:02:14.000 Loved it. 1.00

00:02:15.000 Damn. 1.00

00:02:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:02:17.000 Well, yeah.

00:02:19.000 Speaking of mountain lions, I heard they're, like, creeping around over here.

00:02:24.000 There's quite a few of them, yeah.

00:02:26.000 You can't hunt them in California, so they have no natural predators other than cars.

00:02:31.000 Right.

00:02:32.000 And there's people that think that's a good idea because they keep the deer population in check.

00:02:36.000 There's a good argument for that because we don't have Lyme disease.

00:02:39.000 It's very little Lyme disease in California.

00:02:41.000 And one of the reasons for that is not that many deer, especially around here.

00:02:45.000 Whereas if you're on the East Coast, the East Coast right now has a real Lyme disease epidemic because these deer are overpopulated.

00:02:53.000 And overpopulated deer means they don't get enough food and they're more susceptible to disease. 0.99

00:02:57.000 And fucking Lyme disease is the big one. 0.99

00:03:00.000 Ticks. 1.00

00:03:01.000 These ticks with Lyme disease.

00:03:02.000 I know a bunch of people from the East Coast that have got Lyme disease. 0.99

00:03:06.000 It's fucking bad. 0.98

00:03:07.000 Yeah, it's big down in Texas, too. 0.99

00:03:08.000 There's deer everywhere.

00:03:09.000 Mm-hmm.

00:03:10.000 Yeah.

00:03:10.000 So, I guess that's a good thing, but I'd be freaked out if I walked out, you know.

00:03:15.000 Most of the time, you have to worry. 0.98

00:03:16.000 Most of the time, they're going after cats and dogs and shit like that. 0.99

00:03:19.000 They kill a lot of rabbits and small animals and deer. 0.99

00:03:23.000 They decimate the deer population.

00:03:25.000 I don't know.

00:03:47.000 I mean, anything that could, like, take a chunk out of me, I'm a little bit worried about.

00:03:53.000 Where do you live?

00:03:55.000 Well, you don't say specifically.

00:03:57.000 Yeah.

00:03:58.000 But do you live somewhere hilly?

00:04:00.000 No, no.

00:04:00.000 Okay, you're alright.

00:04:02.000 You've been in a flatlands where the people are?

00:04:04.000 Yeah.

00:04:04.000 Although they did kill one in someone's backyard in Santa Monica two years ago.

00:04:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:04:08.000 Fucking Santa Monica. 1.00

00:04:09.000 Do you remember that? 0.99

00:04:10.000 It was a big one, too.

00:04:12.000 It was like a 150-pound cat in some dude's yard, just chilling, sleeping in his yard.

00:04:17.000 Nah, I can't do that.

00:04:19.000 I can't do that.

00:04:20.000 Talk about something else, I'm going to get freaked out.

00:04:22.000 Really? 0.99

00:04:23.000 I just don't fuck with nature. 0.98

00:04:27.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:04:29.000 I love that.

00:04:30.000 That should be a meme.

00:04:32.000 I don't.

00:04:33.000 I respect it.

00:04:35.000 Yeah, me too.

00:04:39.000 I'm not really into getting eaten by some chicks. 1.00

00:04:43.000 But just that phrase, I don't fuck with nature. 0.99

00:04:48.000 That should be a picture of you with a guitar pointing at the camera that just says, I don't fuck with nature. 0.99

00:04:54.000 Yeah, right. 1.00

00:04:56.000 Oh, man.

00:04:57.000 You know what I mean.

00:04:57.000 I know exactly what you mean.

00:04:59.000 Yeah, it's dangerous, man.

00:05:00.000 You go out there in the wilderness and, you know, cities are great.

00:05:05.000 You know, people think that somehow or another if you love nature that you don't love cities.

00:05:09.000 I love everything.

00:05:11.000 Cities, there's beauty in everything.

00:05:13.000 You can't be closed-minded.

00:05:14.000 Yeah, I agree. 0.99

00:05:15.000 I mean, coming from where I'm from in Austin, there's a city and there's nice land around it, so I like to jump back and forth and be involved in both, but I will not fuck with mountain lions. 0.96

00:05:29.000 I don't mess with sharks. 0.98

00:05:31.000 No, me neither, man.

00:05:33.000 Yeah, I'm down with that.

00:05:35.000 My kids are going to start taking surfing lessons.

00:05:38.000 They're little.

00:05:39.000 Five and seven, they want to take surfing lessons.

00:05:40.000 I'm like, that's like a bite.

00:05:42.000 Like, one bite.

00:05:43.000 Like, you don't even survive if you get bitten by a shark if you're five.

00:05:46.000 Do you surf?

00:05:47.000 No. 1.00

00:05:48.000 I don't fuck with sharks either. 0.99

00:05:51.000 I would serve if they would figure out some sort of bite-proof suit, for sure. 0.99

00:05:57.000 You know?

00:05:57.000 That's what's holding me back.

00:05:59.000 Yeah.

00:06:00.000 That's definitely what's holding me back. 0.99

00:06:01.000 I would have a bite-proof suit, and then I would want a big-ass knife strapped to my thigh, so if a shark did bite me and it didn't get through, I'd just fucking fight in his head! 0.99

00:06:11.000 Boom! 1.00

00:06:12.000 Motherfucker. 1.00

00:06:12.000 Take that! 1.00

00:06:13.000 Take it, bitch! 1.00

00:06:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:06:15.000 Yeah.

00:06:16.000 I hear ya.

00:06:17.000 Well, there's a lot of them over here, too.

00:06:19.000 There's more sharks, for sure, than there are mountain lions, I think.

00:06:23.000 What do I say for sure if I think?

00:06:24.000 But when you fly over California, there's a lot of helicopters that fly over the Malibu coast.

00:06:31.000 They take video footage of big-ass great white sharks all the time that are just a couple hundred yards away from people surfing.

00:06:39.000 Yeah, no thanks.

00:06:42.000 There's a lot of helicopters out here in LA in general.

00:06:45.000 Yeah.

00:06:46.000 Wow.

00:06:47.000 Well, because it's a big flat area and there's a lot of criminals, it's a good way to catch people.

00:06:52.000 It's weird when you watch it.

00:06:54.000 You know, they call them ghetto birds. 0.99

00:06:55.000 It's weird when you watch when the helicopters are flying over and they have a spotlight on somebody.

00:06:58.000 You start feeling guilty. 0.98

00:07:00.000 You haven't even done shit. 0.98

00:07:01.000 Yeah, I know. 0.97

00:07:02.000 I know, I know.

00:07:03.000 I'm particularly sensitive, man.

00:07:05.000 I would imagine.

00:07:06.000 Yeah.

00:07:07.000 Especially being from out of town. 0.99

00:07:08.000 It wasn't me today, damn it. 0.83

00:07:11.000 How long have you been doing music, man? 0.97

00:07:13.000 Man, um...

00:07:15.000 I've been Playing guitar since 96. I always kind of wanted one.

00:07:23.000 And my folks were...

00:07:25.000 I had a habit of quitting what I started.

00:07:28.000 You know, like I played baseball for a little bit.

00:07:31.000 I tried to do martial arts for a little bit.

00:07:34.000 I tried to do basketball, football, and none of it kind of stuck.

00:07:39.000 I would always kind of go back to music.

00:07:41.000 So finally, in 96, I just got in it and quit caring about anything.

00:07:47.000 I got a guitar, discovered Herb, and I was like...

00:07:52.000 Yeah, that was about it.

00:07:54.000 Did you take lessons or did you self-taught?

00:07:57.000 I didn't take lessons formally, like I didn't pay anybody for lessons.

00:08:02.000 I probably should at this point.

00:08:04.000 But my friend of mine, Eve Monce, she had a guitar and she had a band and she...

00:08:09.000 Her and her band would practice all the time, so I would hear them.

00:08:12.000 So I would go over there and check it out and I would take my guitar and she would show me, you know, like a 12-bar blues, kind of like a Jimmy Reed shuffle type thing or like a...

00:08:25.000 You know, power chord, rock and roll thing, whatever.

00:08:29.000 So that was kind of how I first started.

00:08:31.000 And I rented books.

00:08:32.000 I went to the school library, my middle school library, and just rented, like, how to play guitar.

00:08:38.000 Wow.

00:08:39.000 Watched this TV show, Austin City Limits.

00:08:41.000 It came on every Saturday.

00:08:43.000 So I used to just sit there and figure it out, you know, record the tapes and go back and figure it out.

00:08:49.000 So it was essentially, like, the first thing that you really connected to that you stuck with.

00:08:55.000 Yeah.

00:08:56.000 What was it about playing guitar?

00:09:00.000 I think the thing for me was I mean I love music and I mean the guitar for me was the instrument that could it could Paint so many different colors.

00:09:19.000 It was very versatile.

00:09:20.000 It could be loud, aggressive, or it could be sweet, beautiful.

00:09:29.000 I just thought if I could get my hands on one of those, I would try and push it to the limit and really figure out You just play with the full spectrum.

00:09:44.000 It's different than playing an electric guitar.

00:09:47.000 For me, there were more options than playing drums or trumpet or something.

00:09:55.000 With toys and things like that.

00:10:00.000 That was it.

00:10:01.000 I don't know.

00:10:01.000 I'm still trying to figure it out.

00:10:02.000 I'm as interested in it, you know, 20 years later as I was, you know, then.

00:10:08.000 That means you got the right thing.

00:10:10.000 Yeah, I definitely found it, so I'm fortunate that way.

00:10:13.000 That's one of the harder things for kids, right?

00:10:15.000 When you're a young kid...

00:10:17.000 And you don't really know what you want to do with your life.

00:10:19.000 And your whole future just looks like just confusing.

00:10:24.000 Sometimes the hardest thing is finding something that really rings your bell.

00:10:28.000 Like finding something.

00:10:30.000 So for you, it seems like there was a bunch of different other options that just didn't really click.

00:10:36.000 And then the guitar just, that was it.

00:10:39.000 Yeah, well, I mean, baseball, I was a terrible hitter.

00:10:43.000 I was pretty fast.

00:10:45.000 Basketball, I was tall, but I was thin.

00:10:48.000 So, you know, it put me in the post, and I'd get pushed out by these huge guys. 1.00

00:10:51.000 And I got tired of my coach going, God damn it, Junior, when are you going to quit being a bitch? 1.00

00:10:58.000 So, you know, it was just, just with music, it just kind of clicked. 1.00

00:11:04.000 It was something for me.

00:11:06.000 What martial arts did you do?

00:11:08.000 I tried Taekwondo.

00:11:11.000 Yeah, perfect build for that.

00:11:13.000 Yeah, I just didn't have the patience at the time.

00:11:16.000 I really didn't.

00:11:17.000 I wish I stuck with it.

00:11:21.000 But, yeah, I didn't have the patience or the discipline.

00:11:25.000 I didn't want to, you know, be focused.

00:11:28.000 Right.

00:11:29.000 I wanted to, you know, if there's something out the window, I wanted to go run and jump out the window.

00:11:34.000 Go ride bikes or whatever it was.

00:11:35.000 You know, they call that ADD. But I call that just being a fucking person. 1.00

00:11:41.000 Being curious. 1.00

00:11:42.000 Like, there's a lot of shit that doesn't occupy your attention. 0.99

00:11:44.000 You're supposed to make it occupy your attention. 1.00

00:11:47.000 Right.

00:11:47.000 You know?

00:11:48.000 Well, you keep yourself pretty busy.

00:11:50.000 Yeah, but like guitar obviously occupied your attention.

00:11:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:11:56.000 It's like I don't believe in ADD in a lot of senses, in a lot of ways.

00:12:00.000 I think there's obviously some people that have like a mental issue, but I think for most people what they're calling ADD is being bored.

00:12:08.000 You're just bored.

00:12:09.000 Yeah.

00:12:09.000 Like school?

00:12:10.000 How fucking boring is school? 0.99

00:12:12.000 School's terribly boring. 0.99

00:12:13.000 Yeah, I was terrible in it.

00:12:16.000 I was terrible too.

00:12:17.000 I spent a lot of my time, yeah, you should stay in school, kids, but I spent a lot of time showing up to that building and then immediately turning back around and going and doing what interests me.

00:12:32.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:12:32.000 And look at you now, motherfucker. 1.00

00:12:34.000 I'm doing alright, but I'm doing alright. 1.00

00:12:38.000 It's finding the thing and then going after it.

00:12:42.000 That's what it is.

00:12:43.000 And what school does is teaches you that the future is bleak.

00:12:47.000 In a lot of ways.

00:12:48.000 Obviously it educates you, and obviously for people that go on to choose some sort of an academic career, it's imperative, right? 0.96

00:12:56.000 But for a lot of people, that pushing you to pay attention to shit you don't want to pay attention to, it stifles creativity.

00:13:03.000 It's just not the best way for people to learn. 0.96

00:13:06.000 It gives you this horrible feeling about the future, like you feel like an outsider.

00:13:10.000 Yeah, I didn't feel comfortable at all.

00:13:13.000 I mean, I was constantly trying to figure out why am I spending so much time every day doing this?

00:13:20.000 You know, and I just had other interests.

00:13:24.000 I mean, I believe that it does work for some people and people need it.

00:13:30.000 For me, the type of person that I am, I was just like, I already know what I want to be doing.

00:13:37.000 I wish I could spend my time doing other things.

00:13:40.000 Alternative schooling wasn't really an option for me or anything at that point.

00:13:45.000 Is this in Austin you were growing up?

00:13:47.000 Yeah, yeah, I grew up in Austin.

00:13:48.000 The school system there is pretty badass.

00:13:50.000 Yeah, it was good, but I felt like I would much rather have four hours of music class than doing something else.

00:14:00.000 So I'm not really knocking the system.

00:14:02.000 It was just my interest.

00:14:06.000 I think it's almost impossible to find a style of teaching or a course of study that's going to be really interesting and fascinating to every kid.

00:14:15.000 Right.

00:14:16.000 The problem, I think, is shoving kids in classes and trying to educate them like they're a product, like a factory.

00:14:25.000 I just don't think...

00:14:27.000 I don't think the way we do it is the best way to do it. 0.99

00:14:30.000 I don't have a better solution, so I have to shut the fuck up. 0.98

00:14:32.000 Yeah, I don't either. 0.99

00:14:33.000 I don't either.

00:14:36.000 You had to read that book, Brave New World.

00:14:39.000 That one kind of tripped me out.

00:14:43.000 I don't know if I'm ready for that.

00:14:47.000 I don't have a solution either.

00:14:49.000 There's a Cadillac that you have in one of your videos.

00:14:52.000 Is that your car?

00:14:54.000 No. 1.00

00:14:55.000 God damn. 1.00

00:14:56.000 See, I hate when that shit happens. 1.00

00:14:58.000 When those stylists, they hook you up with a car that I'm like, damn, Gary Clark Jr. drives a dope-ass old Cadillac. 1.00

00:15:04.000 Nah, I drive a 94 Cadillac that I think is pretty dope, but the director of the video is like, nah, it's a piece of shit. 0.99

00:15:12.000 So you got this girl to bring her ride. 1.00

00:15:20.000 What year was that one?

00:15:21.000 I think it was like a 66. It was so slick.

00:15:26.000 I was like, if Gary Clark Jr. really drives that Cadillac, there it is. 1.00

00:15:29.000 Look at that motherfucker. 1.00

00:15:31.000 Yeah, no, man. 1.00

00:15:31.000 Dude, you look like you just stepped off the set of Superfly. 1.00

00:15:35.000 I know.

00:15:36.000 I know.

00:15:36.000 And you know what?

00:15:39.000 And then I got back to my house, and then I got in my car to go to do whatever I had to do, and I was like, man, this is not the same shit, but... 1.00

00:15:46.000 That fucking car is sick! 1.00

00:15:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:15:50.000 It was amazing.

00:15:51.000 Did you get to drive it?

00:15:53.000 Um...

00:15:55.000 Not even.

00:15:56.000 Just hung next to it.

00:15:57.000 No, no, no.

00:15:57.000 I drove it up and down that street like seven times.

00:16:03.000 It's so depressing what they do, man.

00:16:05.000 But they nailed it.

00:16:07.000 They found the perfect car for your music.

00:16:09.000 Yeah, I know.

00:16:10.000 Like, that's a soulful car.

00:16:12.000 Right.

00:16:12.000 Like, that car has a soul to it.

00:16:15.000 It's got like, it's a piece of history.

00:16:18.000 It's a piece of art.

00:16:20.000 You know?

00:16:21.000 Yeah, I know.

00:16:22.000 You're making me feel really terrible about my situation.

00:16:27.000 But you're a successful musician, man.

00:16:30.000 Everybody knows who you are. 1.00

00:16:31.000 Shit, you could go out and get a sweet 66. Yeah, yeah, I could. 1.00

00:16:35.000 I don't drive that much anymore.

00:16:36.000 I spend so much time on the road, man.

00:16:38.000 Right.

00:16:38.000 So, you know, someday.

00:16:41.000 I have a nice little collection.

00:16:43.000 Yeah, someday.

00:16:44.000 Someday.

00:16:45.000 That's in the mind.

00:16:46.000 So you do drive a Cadillac, though?

00:16:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:16:49.000 Like an Escalade or something?

00:16:50.000 Nah, nah, nah.

00:16:50.000 The regular one?

00:16:51.000 Yeah, I got this 94 Cadillac DeVille.

00:16:55.000 When I was 19, I still got it.

00:16:57.000 Really?

00:16:57.000 Yeah, man.

00:16:58.000 Wow, that's actually even cooler because that one's kind of a poser car in a lot of ways.

00:17:03.000 This car in the photo, like, you know, the beautiful 66. You can't really take that thing anywhere.

00:17:08.000 Look at that.

00:17:08.000 Where are you going to take it?

00:17:09.000 You're going to park it there? 1.00

00:17:10.000 Some asshole with Volvo is going to open up his car door on you, you know? 0.99

00:17:14.000 Yeah, I would struggle to parallel park that thing. 1.00

00:17:17.000 You're gonna get looks from those shitheads and Priuses, the self-righteous, moral high ground people. 1.00

00:17:22.000 They're gonna look at you. 0.99

00:17:23.000 Do you have any idea?

00:17:24.000 Is it worth it?

00:17:25.000 Is it really worth it?

00:17:26.000 You're killing seals. 1.00

00:17:28.000 They're just gonna look at you shitty. 1.00

00:17:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:17:31.000 Look at the fucking hubcaps or the rims on that. 0.99

00:17:34.000 It must be rims. 0.99

00:17:34.000 Those aren't hubcaps. 0.99

00:17:35.000 That's some aftermarket shit. 0.99

00:17:37.000 Those beautiful white wall tires. 0.99

00:17:38.000 I know.

00:17:40.000 But in a lot of ways, like, your car is actually cooler.

00:17:43.000 Because your car is like a car that no one...

00:17:46.000 No one gets...

00:17:47.000 No one wants to drive?

00:17:49.000 No, they don't get it to try to, like, look cool.

00:17:51.000 Like, that car is such a, I'm getting it to look cool car, that it's not even yours, and they used it for you in a music video to make you look badass.

00:17:59.000 Right?

00:18:00.000 Right.

00:18:01.000 But your car is actually more badass, because it's your first car from the time when you were 19, you still have it.

00:18:07.000 Right.

00:18:08.000 And you drive it.

00:18:09.000 But that's pretty cool, though. 0.99

00:18:10.000 Fuck yeah, that's cool. 0.99

00:18:11.000 One day. 1.00

00:18:12.000 Thanks for making me feel better, though.

00:18:14.000 Well, you're more authentic, see? 0.96

00:18:17.000 Like, if you were going way out of your way to own that car, but it was breaking down all the time, and it was fucking up, that would be kind of silly. 0.98

00:18:25.000 That was your only car. 0.98

00:18:27.000 Right?

00:18:28.000 Yeah.

00:18:30.000 Yeah.

00:18:32.000 But I'm thinking about my car breaking down all the time.

00:18:35.000 Does it?

00:18:35.000 Yeah, it did.

00:18:37.000 Well, you've got to get one of them new ones. 0.99

00:18:38.000 Those new Cadillacs are fucking spaceships. 0.99

00:18:40.000 I saw some new thing they were working on, yeah. 0.99

00:18:43.000 They have a bunch of new ones now.

00:18:45.000 Cadillac's got some incredible cars now.

00:18:47.000 They're finally...

00:18:48.000 Something happened in the late 90s, early 2000s.

00:18:53.000 They started turning around, and now they have pretty amazing cars.

00:18:58.000 We'll get into that.

00:19:00.000 I know.

00:19:00.000 You need like a CTSV. You see one of those?

00:19:04.000 I've been in a bubble.

00:19:08.000 A musical bubble?

00:19:09.000 Then a musical bubble and then a baby bubble.

00:19:13.000 Ah, double bubble.

00:19:15.000 Yeah, so I'm just getting out of here I am.

00:19:19.000 Yeah, that's like a two baby bubble, right?

00:19:21.000 Because music is kind of like you're giving birth to an album.

00:19:24.000 Does that make sense?

00:19:25.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:19:26.000 That's how I feel about it.

00:19:29.000 The new one that you came out with in September, it sounds different than the other ones, but cool.

00:19:35.000 But it's almost like you're taking different chances, or you're experimenting with different sounds.

00:19:45.000 Well, yeah, I was telling Jamie when I came in here, I was like...

00:19:52.000 Before I recorded my first album, On the major black and blue.

00:19:59.000 I was living in Texas and I had a live room where I had drums, keys, bass, rig, guitar all set up.

00:20:09.000 In another room I had my turntables, drum machines, keyboards all like putting...

00:20:15.000 going to this Pro Tools session.

00:20:19.000 So I was just making demos and sampling records and just kind of doing whatever I wanted to do.

00:20:27.000 So for this latest record, I just kind of wanted to get back into that space and experiment and vibe and challenge myself musically.

00:20:35.000 Just playing out on the road every night or whatever for a few years, kind of playing the same songs and trying to bring new life for those in a certain way was different than...

00:20:49.000 I felt like I was kind of stagnant, like I wasn't playing drums like I was every day.

00:20:54.000 I wasn't playing bass like I was.

00:20:57.000 I want to be a musician.

00:20:58.000 I want to be an all-around musician and push it to the limit.

00:21:00.000 So for this latest record, I just was able to do that and spend a lot of time.

00:21:08.000 So yeah, it does sound different.

00:21:10.000 It's all me playing most of the instruments as opposed to the last one was a band.

00:21:14.000 Oh wow.

00:21:15.000 How many different instruments do you play?

00:21:19.000 I guess I wouldn't say I play them.

00:21:22.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:21:23.000 Like, I mess around and some of it works, but I play drums, I play bass, keys, harmonica, percussion, you know, just kind of the foundation.

00:21:38.000 And did you take lessons for any of these?

00:21:40.000 Like formal lessons?

00:21:42.000 Like once you started rolling and you started becoming a musician?

00:21:45.000 No, no, no.

00:21:46.000 I was a choir boy in middle school.

00:21:49.000 Were you?

00:21:49.000 Yeah, I got a hard time for that.

00:21:51.000 The dudes on the basketball team just, oh man, they used to give me a hard time.

00:21:55.000 So that was the formal training that I had.

00:21:57.000 I learned, you know, scales and notes like that.

00:22:02.000 So you can read music?

00:22:04.000 Not really.

00:22:06.000 You can put a chart in front of me and I'll...

00:22:09.000 Okay.

00:22:11.000 No idea.

00:22:14.000 I have no idea.

00:22:15.000 That's so crazy.

00:22:17.000 You're a musician.

00:22:19.000 Like, you're a real musician.

00:22:20.000 You have, like, records.

00:22:22.000 You're with a record label. 0.99

00:22:23.000 I saw your shit at the airport once, a music video that was playing on a television there. 0.99

00:22:29.000 Like, you're a professional musician. 1.00

00:22:32.000 Right, right, right.

00:22:33.000 But I don't read music.

00:22:35.000 No, but it's like me being a comedian that doesn't write.

00:22:39.000 No, it's worse.

00:22:40.000 It's like me being an author who doesn't read books, who can't read books.

00:22:45.000 Does that make sense?

00:22:46.000 No.

00:22:47.000 No.

00:22:47.000 Jamie says no.

00:22:49.000 Well, this guy behind me, he didn't play music.

00:22:53.000 I gotta take that picture down and put a real one up.

00:22:56.000 Unfortunately, that's not his real mugshot photo.

00:22:59.000 It's a real photo, obviously.

00:23:00.000 But that's not the actual photo. 0.99

00:23:02.000 They fucked me, man. 1.00

00:23:03.000 I bought this shit. 1.00

00:23:04.000 That's Rosa Parks' real mugshot photo. 1.00

00:23:06.000 The Elvis one is real, but it's not really a mugshot.

00:23:09.000 It was when he went to visit Nixon in the White House.

00:23:12.000 They took a photo of him for a goof.

00:23:14.000 But...

00:23:15.000 That's just a classic picture of Hendrix.

00:23:18.000 And then they put his actual mugshot photo underneath it.

00:23:22.000 His real photo was him with shorter hair.

00:23:25.000 It looked more like a classic afro.

00:23:27.000 That's like, you know, Jimi Hendrix experience when they had those white dudes behind him with the big afros as well. 0.69

00:23:33.000 Yeah, that's his real photo.

00:23:34.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

00:23:35.000 That's the real one.

00:23:35.000 So you see the image is correct for the mugshot, like for his name, but that's the wrong photo.

00:23:42.000 They fucked me. 0.98

00:23:44.000 Somebody had to tell me. 0.99

00:23:46.000 Thank you, whoever told me.

00:23:47.000 Some dude online let me know, hey dude, that ain't the real one. 0.99

00:23:51.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:23:51.000 Fuck, right? 1.00

00:23:52.000 Assholes. 1.00

00:23:53.000 They just got a good one. 1.00

00:23:54.000 I mean, that looks like the perfect arrest photo of Jimi Hendrix. 0.99

00:24:00.000 And he also has this look on his face like, I can't believe these motherfuckers are arresting me. 1.00

00:24:05.000 Whereas the other one, he's got the look like, oh shit, I just got fucking arrested for heroin. 1.00

00:24:13.000 That's a different look, you know? 0.99

00:24:15.000 That's the... 1.00

00:24:17.000 Ah, fuck. 1.00

00:24:18.000 I can't believe it. 1.00

00:24:18.000 God damn it. 1.00

00:24:20.000 Take the picture, man. 1.00

00:24:21.000 Shit. 1.00

00:24:22.000 Shit. 1.00

00:24:24.000 I'm obviously a huge Hendrix fan. 0.99

00:24:27.000 And I can't bring myself to read.

00:24:29.000 He had a former bodyguard that wrote some book that claims that his ex-manager had him killed.

00:24:36.000 That Hendrick's manager not only had him killed, but even had him kidnapped at one point in time.

00:24:41.000 Just so he could rescue him.

00:24:42.000 Because Hendrick was going to leave his manager.

00:24:45.000 This guy also alleges that Hendrick's manager killed Hendrick's girlfriend, who was with him at the time that he died.

00:24:52.000 She jumped off a building in Soho, I believe.

00:24:56.000 And they think that they threw her off that building because she knew that this guy had killed Hendrix.

00:25:05.000 I don't know.

00:25:06.000 I don't know either.

00:25:07.000 So you did read this song?

00:25:09.000 No, I can't bring myself to it.

00:25:10.000 Yeah, I can't either.

00:25:11.000 Because I don't want to get down some rabbit hole that I can't prove, but this guy who was a musician himself, he was with The Animals, I believe.

00:25:19.000 You know, what was that one hit song they had?

00:25:27.000 I forget the song, but he was actually a musician himself, and it didn't work out for him, and he started working as a bodyguard for Hendrix and working with this manager character who was apparently universally known as a really bad guy, like real shady.

00:25:43.000 Back in the day of music, you were dealing with a lot of mob characters, right? 0.99

00:25:48.000 A lot of organized crime characters, a lot of creepy people, a lot of dangerous people like Phil Spector, that crazy fuck. 1.00

00:25:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:58.000 Yep.

00:26:01.000 I mean, it doesn't get any crazier than that guy.

00:26:03.000 And if you don't know who Phil Spector is, you'll Google him and you'll go, well, how come his hair looks like this in one picture and his hair like that? 0.66

00:26:09.000 He wore a bunch of crazy wigs when he got arrested for shooting a woman in the mouth just a few years ago and killing her.

00:26:16.000 He picked up some woman at a bar on Sunset, took her back to his mansion and shot her in the mouth. 0.99

00:26:23.000 Yeah, he was crazy. 0.97

00:26:24.000 But that guy was famous for, like, putting guns in people's mouths. 0.99

00:26:27.000 He was famous for pulling guns on people.

00:26:30.000 And apparently was just...

00:26:31.000 A big part of the music business back then was organized crime and just dangerous people with ties to organized crime.

00:26:37.000 And this guy who managed Hendrix, Hendrix apparently wanted to leave him.

00:26:41.000 And as he was on his way out, that's when this guy had Hendrix kidnapped.

00:26:46.000 This is what they are alleging in the book.

00:26:48.000 And I believe it's been confirmed that Hendrix was kidnapped and this guy did get him rescued.

00:26:56.000 The idea is he had him kidnapped so he could rescue him.

00:26:59.000 So he'd say, look, dude, you need me. 0.92

00:27:01.000 I just fucking saved your life. 1.00

00:27:04.000 That's crazy fucking dumb shit. 1.00

00:27:06.000 Crazy fucked up shit. 1.00

00:27:10.000 Yeah, I don't know if I could dig deep and read. 1.00

00:27:12.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:14.000 I don't want to go there.

00:27:15.000 I would like to know the truth, but I almost don't want to go down the rabbit hole.

00:27:19.000 His name was Mike Jeffery, and apparently he was also a demolition expert and assassin for the British MI6 before he was a manager.

00:27:28.000 Whoa.

00:27:30.000 Jesus.

00:27:34.000 Whoa.

00:27:35.000 Okay, I gotta read the book now.

00:27:37.000 Sounds fascinating. 0.99

00:27:38.000 Now I got some shit to read this weekend. 0.99

00:27:40.000 Yeah, definitely. 0.99

00:27:42.000 I don't know.

00:27:43.000 I haven't come across anything like that in the music business.

00:27:45.000 You get kind of compared to him, though, in a lot of ways.

00:27:49.000 Mm-hmm.

00:27:50.000 Why is that?

00:27:50.000 Is it just because you're a handsome young black man who's very good at the guitar?

00:27:55.000 I think it's because I'm handsome.

00:27:59.000 I mean, what is it?

00:28:01.000 Yeah, I think that's what it is.

00:28:03.000 I think that's what it is.

00:28:04.000 But you do have, like, in Numb.

00:28:07.000 Numb's a perfect example of that.

00:28:09.000 You have...

00:28:10.000 That's an unusual sound, you know?

00:28:14.000 Those guitar riffs that you have in that?

00:28:16.000 And it's...

00:28:17.000 I can't...

00:28:20.000 There's certain sounds you go, ooh, that's a Gary Clark sound.

00:28:24.000 That sounds like Hendrix. 0.99

00:28:25.000 There was a bunch of Hendrix songs where you could hear Voodoo Child, and you go, okay, well, that's fucking Hendrix. 0.66

00:28:31.000 People can catch that sort of unique sound in a world of people riffing, in a world of people making these amazing sounds with guitars.

00:28:42.000 Occasionally, someone can isolate particular sounds like, of course, ACDC. Right, right.

00:28:48.000 You know, you listen to ACDC, it's like almost immediately you know it's an ACDC song.

00:28:52.000 But you've got your own thing going on.

00:28:57.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:28:59.000 But I can understand the Hendrix comparison.

00:29:02.000 I mean, fuzzy guitars over heavy riffs.

00:29:06.000 Black guy doing it, you know. 0.99

00:29:10.000 Yeah, I get it. 0.91

00:29:11.000 It used to bother me, but I'm not mad at it.

00:29:13.000 I mean, it's like, he's great.

00:29:16.000 Yeah.

00:29:16.000 I want to be great, you know?

00:29:18.000 And if people have thrown your name in the same sentence as greats in a positive way, I'll take it and just keep practicing.

00:29:29.000 Perfect attitude, man.

00:29:30.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:31.000 Yeah, that's perfect.

00:29:32.000 Yeah.

00:29:33.000 What kind of music are you into?

00:29:36.000 Um...

00:29:37.000 What am I into?

00:29:40.000 At the moment, I'm into like...

00:29:47.000 Southern hip-hop.

00:29:48.000 Really?

00:29:49.000 Yeah, like, uh, speaking of Cadillacs and stuff, I used to, you know, drive around, and I don't know if y'all got, like, the chopped and screwed stuff, but, like, I used to listen to DJ Screw, and, um...

00:30:03.000 What's the chopped and screwed stuff?

00:30:05.000 Swisher House.

00:30:05.000 It's like, it's like, it's like, the music, it's like, it's just slowed down and kind of...

00:30:15.000 You know, they'll take a lyric on a turntable and chop it up and repeat something or whatever.

00:30:21.000 It's really kind of heady, trippy stuff.

00:30:24.000 So I listen to that all the time.

00:30:27.000 So I just recently kind of got back into listening to You know, things like that.

00:30:33.000 Like I got Paul Wall's record, Slim Thug, I've been listening to Big Crit.

00:30:40.000 So just like Texas Southern stuff.

00:30:42.000 I don't know if it's me missing.

00:30:43.000 Paul Wall's the white dude with braces, right?

00:30:44.000 He's got a grill.

00:30:46.000 Sorry, I get confused. 1.00

00:30:52.000 Oh, shit. 0.96

00:30:57.000 It's a little bit different. 1.00

00:30:58.000 But yeah, so I've been listening.

00:31:00.000 I don't know if it's like Texas or nostalgia.

00:31:02.000 Yeah, there he is.

00:31:02.000 He's got some diamond braces.

00:31:04.000 So how does he eat corn on the cob?

00:31:05.000 That's my question.

00:31:06.000 I don't know.

00:31:07.000 I think...

00:31:08.000 Do those come out?

00:31:09.000 I think you take them out.

00:31:10.000 I think you take them out.

00:31:11.000 Yeah.

00:31:12.000 That's like some shit he wears like a dental dam. 1.00

00:31:14.000 Or no, that's when you eat some dangerous pussy. 1.00

00:31:19.000 That's what a dental day is for, right? 1.00

00:31:21.000 It's for eating dangerous pussy. 1.00

00:31:23.000 Which, by the way, if you use that, kill yourself. 1.00

00:31:26.000 If you're even thinking about going down on a girl and you have to throw a fucking tarp over it first, you've made some terrible choices and you're probably never going to recover. 1.00

00:31:34.000 Just stop. 1.00

00:31:41.000 Oh, man.

00:31:42.000 Right?

00:31:42.000 I mean, come on.

00:31:43.000 If that's where it's at, well, you'll kiss her, but you won't eat her pussy? 1.00

00:31:47.000 Stop. 1.00

00:31:48.000 Yeah.

00:31:48.000 This is chaos.

00:31:49.000 It's gone too far at that point.

00:31:51.000 Yeah, you're living your life completely wrong.

00:31:52.000 You need an intervention.

00:31:53.000 You need psychedelics or something.

00:31:56.000 There you go.

00:31:58.000 Psychedelics.

00:31:58.000 There you go.

00:32:01.000 Yeah.

00:32:02.000 It's been a long time for me on that.

00:32:03.000 Oh, really?

00:32:04.000 We can help you.

00:32:06.000 Jamie can.

00:32:07.000 He knows people.

00:32:08.000 Right?

00:32:09.000 No.

00:32:09.000 Pass it off on him in case the cops are listening.

00:32:12.000 I heard they're listening.

00:32:13.000 Yeah, right?

00:32:13.000 Well, it's getting closer and closer to being legal, man.

00:32:16.000 I mean, they just released some new financial stats on the amount of money that they're making off medical marijuana.

00:32:24.000 If they can really establish that this is a nationwide way that people can make a ton of money off taxes and Turn economies around like they have in Denver.

00:32:33.000 I mean, they turn the economy in Denver around.

00:32:35.000 Do you perform there a lot?

00:32:39.000 Not a lot.

00:32:40.000 I'm trying to get there more.

00:32:42.000 Yeah, but I've done Belly Up a couple times and done some...

00:32:46.000 Did Red Rocks out there.

00:32:48.000 Oh, man.

00:32:49.000 Yeah, a couple times.

00:32:50.000 I love it.

00:32:50.000 What a beautiful venue that is, huh?

00:32:52.000 Yeah, it's great.

00:32:53.000 But, I mean, the vibe is killer.

00:32:56.000 It's a great experience as far as all that kind of stuff. 0.99

00:33:00.000 Well, the Denver vibe is like some new American Amsterdam type shit or something. 0.99

00:33:04.000 It's crazy. 0.99

00:33:05.000 It's this amazing city now.

00:33:07.000 I mean, it went from being this cowboy city that was filled with really cool people to somewhere, I think, in the early 2000s.

00:33:15.000 I don't remember what the year it was.

00:33:17.000 They decriminalized marijuana in the city of Denver. 1.00

00:33:19.000 They just went, fuck it. 1.00

00:33:20.000 We're just not arresting anybody for it. 1.00

00:33:22.000 It's just stupid. 0.99

00:33:23.000 They're like, you can have all your state laws. 1.00

00:33:24.000 You can have all your national laws.

00:33:26.000 We're just not going to arrest people for it.

00:33:27.000 Okay?

00:33:28.000 We're done.

00:33:28.000 And so they would tell us that when we were working there.

00:33:31.000 We're like, what?

00:33:32.000 And they're like, yeah, they don't care.

00:33:33.000 You can smoke pot.

00:33:34.000 I'm like, really?

00:33:35.000 Like, yeah, they won't arrest you.

00:33:37.000 They publicly said they won't arrest you.

00:33:38.000 So that was the first stepping point.

00:33:41.000 And then when it became legal...

00:33:43.000 And now they make more money from it than they do from alcohol, which is incredible.

00:33:48.000 They make more money because the taxes are very high.

00:33:50.000 Like, it's 39% taxes for recreational marijuana. 0.95

00:33:53.000 But nobody gives a fuck because it's still way cheaper than alcohol. 0.99

00:33:57.000 Like, you could get $10 worth of weed and be fucked up for the entire day. 0.99

00:34:02.000 That's true. 0.98

00:34:03.000 You know?

00:34:04.000 I mean, you take one $5 pot candy.

00:34:08.000 So what?

00:34:09.000 It's 39% taxes.

00:34:11.000 What is that?

00:34:12.000 So that makes it, what, eight bucks?

00:34:13.000 So then you take that one pot candy and you're barbecued.

00:34:18.000 Right.

00:34:19.000 That's one Jameson.

00:34:20.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:34:21.000 It's one drink.

00:34:22.000 It's not even close.

00:34:24.000 So economically, it's a great thing for the city.

00:34:27.000 And once that sort of sets in that we've been lied to about that, and then all these new studies are coming out about the benefits of different psychedelics for PTSD... John Hopkins did a long-term study on psilocybin.

00:34:41.000 They're doing new studies on psilocybin with people that are terminally ill and people that are they're getting towards the end of life you know older folks and it's just an alleviated tension the worry and fear of death and in a beautiful way and then they'll realize like hey you know we can profit off this shit like this is this is more money that can be generated from To help the school systems,

00:35:02.000 to fix the roads, to hire new cops, to change the way, you know, we address and interface with these things and stop criminalizing them.

00:35:12.000 Right.

00:35:12.000 Yeah, I totally agree.

00:35:13.000 I'm not as educated on all that as I would like to be, but I feel like, you know, once that door gets opened up, it'd be a lot more beneficial than it is, he said, to be You know, hurting.

00:35:28.000 Yeah. 0.83

00:35:29.000 Well, we're just stuck in the momentum of an ignorant past. 0.91

00:35:34.000 That's what it is. 0.95

00:35:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:35:35.000 What kind of psychedelics have you experimented with, Gary Clark Jr.?

00:35:39.000 Why are you looking at me like that?

00:35:44.000 I started sweating.

00:35:48.000 I look like I could be a cop.

00:35:50.000 Yeah, I was like, oh man.

00:35:51.000 I was like, man, what did I walk into?

00:35:53.000 Hold on a minute.

00:35:55.000 Yeah, I spent a little time.

00:35:56.000 I love psychedelic mushrooms.

00:36:00.000 It's been a long time, but I definitely have...

00:36:06.000 I feel like I've gained some things from those experiences.

00:36:12.000 That's about it.

00:36:14.000 That's a good one, though.

00:36:16.000 Mushrooms and weed.

00:36:18.000 They're both excellent combinations.

00:36:20.000 I love it.

00:36:21.000 Well, Texas is a great place for it, too.

00:36:23.000 Because Texas, there's a lot of mushrooms that grow wild out there.

00:36:27.000 Yeah, we used to kind of have parties where we would run around and go pick them.

00:36:33.000 Did you really?

00:36:34.000 Yeah, it was kind of gross. 1.00

00:36:35.000 Picking them off cow shit? 1.00

00:36:36.000 Yeah, it was disgusting. 1.00

00:36:37.000 How did you know they were the right ones, though?

00:36:40.000 It was the group of people I surrounded myself with.

00:36:44.000 People that my mom said you should stay away from them.

00:36:48.000 Those mycologists.

00:36:51.000 Yeah, so it was just kind of like a...

00:36:55.000 I was hanging with the...

00:36:58.000 The right crowd.

00:36:59.000 The right crowd.

00:37:00.000 The right crowd.

00:37:01.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:37:02.000 It turns out to be the right crowd.

00:37:04.000 Right. 0.99

00:37:04.000 The right crowd, you know, the ones your mom probably told you should hang out with, they're on fucking antidepressants right now, freaking out. 0.99

00:37:11.000 Hitting midlife, wondering what the fuck they're doing with themselves, having children, being trapped in some job where they're, you know, most likely, the people that go the way that everybody wanted us to go, whether it's a lawyer or a successful businessman, they're stressed the fuck out, working long crazy hours. 0.99

00:37:28.000 Right. 0.99

00:37:29.000 Yeah, I totally agree.

00:37:32.000 I mean, I feel like regardless of or despite the...

00:37:40.000 The tension that I had, I mean, I grew up kind of like very strict, very, you know, I was raised like Baptist, you know, very straight, very strict family, military.

00:37:54.000 So any of that was, you know, completely taboo. 0.95

00:37:58.000 And I would, that would be my ass if they found out anything about it. 0.94

00:38:01.000 But for some reason, I felt like I wanted to break out and And discover on my own, you know what I mean? 0.98

00:38:06.000 And not be locked into what was just laid out for me.

00:38:12.000 So yeah, you're right.

00:38:14.000 It turned out being the right crowd.

00:38:17.000 You're doing great.

00:38:18.000 That just seems to be a common theme.

00:38:22.000 Suppression leads to trying to alleviate that suppression.

00:38:26.000 By just not listening, by just going crazy, by exploring, taking chances.

00:38:31.000 Oftentimes, the most strict upbringings deliver a child that is more prone to rebellion. 0.99

00:38:39.000 Kids don't like to be told what the fuck to do. 0.99

00:38:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:38:44.000 Yeah, you're there.

00:38:46.000 It's normal.

00:38:47.000 Don't tell me what to do.

00:38:48.000 I'm going to do exactly the opposite.

00:38:51.000 Yeah, and I'm sure you're probably going to impart that into your own children, too, because you kind of remember.

00:38:56.000 I certainly...

00:38:58.000 Do with my children. 0.94

00:38:58.000 I remember being told what to do and just drive me fucking crazy. 0.94

00:39:02.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:39:03.000 People don't like it.

00:39:04.000 They don't mind rules if the rules make sense. 0.99

00:39:08.000 Like, hey, don't stick a fork into your electric socket because you could fucking die. 0.99

00:39:12.000 Right. 1.00

00:39:12.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:39:13.000 That's a big one at my house right now.

00:39:15.000 How old's your kid?

00:39:17.000 Just turned one.

00:39:18.000 Oh, yeah.

00:39:19.000 Figured out how to open the door and walk within two days.

00:39:22.000 Boy or girl? 0.82

00:39:23.000 Boy.

00:39:23.000 Yeah, they're mobile, man.

00:39:26.000 Jesus.

00:39:27.000 They start checking.

00:39:28.000 Plus, they wake up. 1.00

00:39:28.000 They don't say shit. 1.00

00:39:29.000 And you might be sleeping. 1.00

00:39:30.000 And they're like, let me just fucking check out what's going on in this house. 0.96

00:39:33.000 Why is that cord stuck in the wall? 0.97

00:39:36.000 Hmm, there's some holes in there. 0.99

00:39:37.000 Some other shit would fit in there, like coins. 0.99

00:39:39.000 And then they start sticking things in there. 0.99

00:39:41.000 It's blowing my mind right now.

00:39:43.000 Anyway.

00:39:45.000 Yeah, they're fascinating.

00:39:48.000 They're little people, you know?

00:39:51.000 But yeah, I'm trying to definitely be conscious of that as he grows.

00:39:58.000 And...

00:40:01.000 I wouldn't mind questioning why.

00:40:03.000 Yeah.

00:40:04.000 That was the whole because.

00:40:06.000 Right.

00:40:06.000 Because I said...

00:40:07.000 Yeah.

00:40:08.000 I can't do that.

00:40:10.000 Yeah.

00:40:11.000 I can't do that to... 0.99

00:40:13.000 It drives me fucking nuts. 0.99

00:40:17.000 Of course. 0.99

00:40:18.000 Well, I have a theory on all that stuff. 0.90

00:40:21.000 I think that every generation gathers up the information of how the previous generation fucked up.

00:40:27.000 And as long as there's no cataclysmic disasters and we're not living in Mad Max times where it's like desperado days and everyone's fending for themselves and it's just about survival, then things just keep getting better.

00:40:40.000 Right.

00:40:40.000 Well, now you can pull out your mobile device and, you know, figure out what's really happening, you know?

00:40:47.000 Yeah.

00:40:48.000 And that's kind of a trip.

00:40:52.000 Oh, yeah.

00:40:53.000 I mean, to kind of grow up and just not really know...

00:40:59.000 Not have access like we have access now.

00:41:02.000 I mean, it still blows my mind.

00:41:05.000 I forget sometimes that if I want to know something, I can just Google.

00:41:10.000 Yeah, instantly.

00:41:11.000 You know what I mean?

00:41:11.000 Yeah.

00:41:11.000 It's amazing.

00:41:13.000 Yeah.

00:41:14.000 I saw something you were talking about, these Google glasses.

00:41:17.000 Yeah.

00:41:17.000 And these whole...

00:41:19.000 I don't know what it is.

00:41:24.000 It's...

00:41:26.000 My buddy Chris was trying to tell me about it as well.

00:41:29.000 Well, there's a bunch of different kinds.

00:41:30.000 There's the regular Google Glasses, which a lot of people have seen, which is a very small lens that sits on like mock frames.

00:41:36.000 It looks like a glass frame without any glasses in it.

00:41:39.000 And then there's one small window.

00:41:41.000 But that didn't really catch on.

00:41:43.000 So what they're working on now is contact lenses that do the same thing.

00:41:47.000 But the glass thing, you had a little swipe thing, and you could swipe left and right and move it around.

00:41:55.000 Like I could say, I could Google Gary Clark images, and I would see in that little tiny window images of you.

00:42:02.000 And I could just swipe through them.

00:42:04.000 You could say, navigate to the Hollywood Bowl.

00:42:08.000 And it would show you, Google Maps, how to get to the Hollywood Bowl.

00:42:13.000 And it would talk to you in your ear.

00:42:15.000 But people didn't like it because it looked goofy.

00:42:17.000 And when people were wearing them, other people got pissed off.

00:42:20.000 Like, are you filming me?

00:42:21.000 Like, what are you doing?

00:42:22.000 Because you could film with them too.

00:42:24.000 So now they've moved to contact lenses, which they haven't really released yet, but they're working on them.

00:42:29.000 And then there's another one that's way crazier, which is like goggles.

00:42:33.000 These are like ski goggles. 0.99

00:42:34.000 And when you put these motherfuckers on, you're going to be able to play video games in 3D space. 0.99

00:42:39.000 You're going to have like three-dimensional... 0.99

00:42:42.000 Holograms around you.

00:42:43.000 That's the thing I was wondering about.

00:42:45.000 Is that called Magic Leap or no?

00:42:47.000 Magic Leap is a one.

00:42:49.000 Magic Leap and the HoloLens by Microsoft.

00:42:51.000 That's the one with the goggles, right?

00:42:52.000 The HoloLens.

00:42:54.000 But yeah.

00:42:54.000 What do you think about that?

00:42:56.000 It's crazy.

00:42:57.000 This is just step one.

00:42:58.000 I've actually been talking about this on stage recently because I'm actually kind of freaked out about it.

00:43:03.000 That we're gonna enter a world within the next hundred years where artificial reality is indistinguishable from regular reality.

00:43:11.000 It's the matrix.

00:43:12.000 It's 100% going to happen.

00:43:14.000 If we don't blow ourselves up, if we don't die from disease, if we don't get hit by an asteroid, we're going to be able to figure out a way to trick the mind into thinking it's experiencing things that it's not experiencing.

00:43:26.000 How long it takes is just subjective, but whatever the amount of time it is in the history of the universe or the history of this planet, it's a blink.

00:43:36.000 And in one blink, you're not going to be able to tell whether reality is real or not.

00:43:40.000 You're going to be able to plug into something, and you're going to be able to have artificial experiences.

00:43:44.000 So, like, we could do this.

00:43:46.000 Yeah.

00:43:47.000 We might be doing it right now. 0.96

00:43:49.000 That's what's fucked up about it. 0.97

00:43:50.000 When scientists study artificial reality, and they study what they call computer simulation theory, the real mindfuck is, it's hard to tell whether or not this is a simulation. 0.97

00:44:04.000 And that it's very likely that it could be that our entire universe could be some sort of a massive simulation that we're experiencing.

00:44:12.000 It might not even be like a computer simulation.

00:44:14.000 It might be some sort of a simulation that's going on like at a cellular level, like some sort of a mass hallucination.

00:44:25.000 Wow.

00:44:26.000 Yeah.

00:44:27.000 I mean, these are not my theories, by the way.

00:44:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:31.000 I think about that.

00:44:32.000 These are not, you know, my ideas.

00:44:34.000 Wow.

00:44:35.000 Yeah.

00:44:36.000 I don't even know what to say about that.

00:44:38.000 Well, just think about what you said, right, about Google, right, about being able to go to your phone and have all the answers.

00:44:44.000 When you were a kid, that was magic.

00:44:47.000 That was magic.

00:44:48.000 The idea behind that was insane just 20 years ago.

00:44:52.000 1996, the idea of being able to do that was insane. 0.99

00:44:55.000 Everybody would be like, what in the fuck are you talking about? 0.98

00:44:58.000 You're going to be able to reach into your phone, you're going to be able to touch a piece of glass. 1.00

00:45:01.000 You don't even have to touch it.

00:45:02.000 You press a button, you talk to it.

00:45:04.000 And it'll tell you anything you need to know.

00:45:06.000 Like, what? 0.98

00:45:07.000 How the fuck is that possible? 0.90

00:45:09.000 You're going to be able to watch videos on it. 1.00

00:45:10.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:45:11.000 You're going to be able to watch movies on it. 1.00

00:45:13.000 You're going to be able to play hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours of music on it.

00:45:17.000 It'll sound beautiful.

00:45:18.000 And it'll all be a thing that's so slim and sleek it fits right in your pocket.

00:45:23.000 Like, we're already living in some crazy movie that they didn't even predict in Star Trek.

00:45:28.000 Yeah.

00:45:29.000 Star Trek, they had walkie-talkies.

00:45:31.000 Remember?

00:45:32.000 That's crazy.

00:45:33.000 It is crazy.

00:45:35.000 I'm just getting old.

00:45:38.000 What is this, Jamie?

00:45:40.000 Microsoft added a new update to what HoloLens is going to look like.

00:45:43.000 This is what they think watching sports will be like in the future.

00:45:46.000 Kind of just like what watching football, a football game might.

00:45:51.000 Oh, you'll be able to watch it in front of you?

00:45:55.000 Yeah, all sorts of like players.

00:45:57.000 You can have players and stats pop up in your like living room and get extra It looks really cool.

00:46:04.000 So everyone's just going to sit down and put these goggles on instead of having a television?

00:46:08.000 Or with the television, so you'll have extra stuff for the TV. Look at this.

00:46:13.000 I can only imagine what a UFC event, watching that would be like.

00:46:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:46:17.000 You get extra stats on the players.

00:46:18.000 That would be really cool.

00:46:20.000 Also, probably we'll put a big camera on the referee, so you'll be inside of it.

00:46:25.000 Or watch them from their view, you know what I mean?

00:46:28.000 Watch them from any player's view if you choose to, if they can pull that off with some...

00:46:31.000 Well, they probably could do that with players.

00:46:33.000 They wouldn't be able to do it with fighters.

00:46:34.000 But with Pride, they used to have a camera that they would put on the referees.

00:46:39.000 It was this crazy dorky thing.

00:46:41.000 It was like real big and clunky.

00:46:42.000 It was like a camera that sat next to their head.

00:46:45.000 And they would wear that thing.

00:46:47.000 And it was kind of cool to see it from their perspective.

00:46:50.000 But that was fairly rudimentary considering it was like early 2000s.

00:46:55.000 Like what this is going to be is going to be bananas.

00:46:57.000 But then you've got to hang out with goggles on.

00:47:01.000 You know?

00:47:02.000 You and your friends have to have goggles.

00:47:05.000 Oh, man.

00:47:07.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:47:08.000 I guess it's kind of like the silent disco thing.

00:47:11.000 What's the silent disco thing?

00:47:13.000 Silent disco is like where people, like a whole bunch of people Hang out in a room or a club and they have headphones on.

00:47:21.000 And there's like, there's DJs.

00:47:23.000 And you can decide if you want to go with DJ A or DJ B. And so there's a bunch of people just like dancing in a silent room with headphones on.

00:47:32.000 Really?

00:47:32.000 Like having a great time.

00:47:35.000 Weird.

00:47:35.000 And it's like, do you want a drink?

00:47:37.000 What?

00:47:41.000 Oh, is this it right here?

00:47:42.000 Are you showing me this, Jamie?

00:47:45.000 So there's these people, they're dancing around, and they just have different wireless headsets on?

00:47:52.000 Yeah.

00:47:53.000 Oh, okay.

00:47:54.000 Oh, this is crazy.

00:47:59.000 Everyone's just listening to the same thing, there's just no one outside can hear you.

00:48:03.000 Right.

00:48:04.000 Well, that's good to your neighbors.

00:48:06.000 That's awesome in that way.

00:48:07.000 That's great for your neighbors.

00:48:08.000 Yeah, you don't have to be rude. 1.00

00:48:09.000 Because it's like that one asshole in your block who has a party, but his music taste sucks. 1.00

00:48:16.000 There was this party that they had near my neighborhood about 10 years ago, and it was the most fucking depressing, like, trapped in the... 1.00

00:48:25.000 It was like... 0.86

00:48:26.000 I'm trying to remember what kind of music there. 0.96

00:48:28.000 It was like Captain and Tennille or some shit. 0.98

00:48:30.000 It was so bad. 0.99

00:48:32.000 It was just like, how are they cranking this? 0.99

00:48:34.000 Like, what the fuck are they doing? 0.99

00:48:35.000 You want to show up at their house with, like, some... 0.99

00:48:38.000 That's a bad example.

00:48:40.000 I can't remember what it was because I blocked it out.

00:48:43.000 Childhood molestation.

00:48:44.000 It was so bad. 1.00

00:48:46.000 They were playing this fucking terrible, but it was like this asshole was playing it loud. 1.00

00:48:50.000 It was so loud, there's no way he was enjoying it. 1.00

00:48:56.000 He was enjoying showing off that he was having a party with this shitty music that him and his dying friends were playing. 0.89

00:49:03.000 What do you listen to? 0.98

00:49:04.000 I listen to a lot of classic rock.

00:49:07.000 A lot.

00:49:07.000 As I get older, it just seems like I'm becoming that old dude that listens to classic rock.

00:49:12.000 I listen to a lot of Leonard Skinner, a lot of Hendrix.

00:49:15.000 I've been listening to a lot of...

00:49:17.000 Boy, just almost anything from the 60s and the early 70s is a lot of what I listen to.

00:49:26.000 I listen to a lot of Creedence lately.

00:49:28.000 Creedence.

00:49:29.000 Yeah.

00:49:30.000 That's good.

00:49:30.000 I... Fogarty's voice used to kind of mess me up, but I've come to accept and appreciate the tone.

00:49:40.000 It comes from a heartfelt place.

00:49:43.000 When I was younger, I couldn't...

00:49:44.000 What's he saying?

00:49:46.000 Yeah.

00:49:47.000 There's certain music that you've got to revisit as you hit different stages in life, I think.

00:49:52.000 There's certain music that I wasn't into.

00:49:54.000 And then I go back now, and now I can get into it.

00:49:57.000 Credence is one of those.

00:49:58.000 Yeah.

00:49:59.000 Like, my friends in high school were into Credence, and I'm like, whoosh.

00:50:03.000 Yeah.

00:50:04.000 In high school, people were listening to...

00:50:09.000 The Houston, like, Swisher House, Paul Wall.

00:50:13.000 That's all that cough syrup music, right?

00:50:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:19.000 That UGK, Outkast, a lot of Dave Matthews.

00:50:29.000 A lot.

00:50:30.000 Dave Matthew, Jesus Christ.

00:50:31.000 Yeah, I went to this school.

00:50:33.000 Anthony Bourdain just shut this podcast off right now.

00:50:36.000 No, no, no.

00:50:37.000 He's like, that's it.

00:50:38.000 We're done here.

00:50:39.000 But it was different.

00:50:41.000 Corey Morrow, Robert Earl Keene, a lot of it was different.

00:50:46.000 And some of it I've come to appreciate, and some of it I've just kind of left behind.

00:50:52.000 I like OutKast. 0.99

00:50:54.000 OutKast, they do a lot of experimental shit. 0.99

00:50:56.000 I love them. 0.99

00:50:56.000 Yeah, they're great. 0.99

00:50:57.000 They do a lot of interesting...

00:51:00.000 Didn't one dude from Outcast, wasn't he supposed to play Jimi Hendrix?

00:51:03.000 He did.

00:51:04.000 Yeah, he did that movie.

00:51:06.000 I never heard about it.

00:51:08.000 No.

00:51:08.000 Yeah.

00:51:09.000 I never heard a thing about it.

00:51:11.000 Really?

00:51:11.000 It just came and went.

00:51:12.000 Did you see it?

00:51:13.000 Yeah, I saw it out here.

00:51:14.000 How was it?

00:51:15.000 It was good as far as the story.

00:51:17.000 I mean, it was...

00:51:18.000 I felt like I... Andre played Hendrix great.

00:51:26.000 There was a lot of stuff that I didn't know.

00:51:29.000 Wasn't that where they had to do different music because they couldn't use the Hendrix music?

00:51:33.000 Yeah, so that for me was kind of fucked me up a little bit.

00:51:38.000 A little bit?

00:51:39.000 Because it was recreated and then being a guitar player.

00:51:47.000 It wasn't quite hard, so it really kind of messed me up.

00:51:53.000 The story was great and I think Andre did a great job and the cast did a great job considering what they were working with.

00:52:01.000 But there was no Hendrix music.

00:52:04.000 They should have scrapped the project or paid up, paid the family.

00:52:07.000 You gotta pay the family. 1.00

00:52:08.000 If you want to make a fucking documentary or a biopic about arguably the greatest guitarist that's ever lived, you gotta use his fucking music. 0.99

00:52:16.000 And you gotta give his parents the money or whoever, whoever's alive, give him the money. 0.99

00:52:20.000 You gotta pay him.

00:52:21.000 It's the only way you're gonna do it right.

00:52:23.000 Otherwise, you're gonna get a movie like that where we don't talk about it.

00:52:26.000 And it just goes in and out.

00:52:27.000 Yeah.

00:52:28.000 The guitar thing must drive you crazy, though, when you know he's not really playing that.

00:52:32.000 I couldn't handle it.

00:52:34.000 I couldn't handle it.

00:52:35.000 Because me, on a much lesser scale, I'm not a professional pool player, but when I watch someone in a movie and I know they can't really play pool, it's very obvious.

00:52:43.000 You see the way a guy's holding a stick, the way the stick moves in their arm.

00:52:47.000 It's like, have you ever seen someone hold a cigarette that doesn't really smoke?

00:52:51.000 And you can tell.

00:52:52.000 Like, a smoker can tell almost immediately when someone doesn't actually smoke.

00:52:56.000 Or at least someone who is not aware of how people who smoke smoke.

00:53:01.000 I'm sure an actor can figure out how to smoke like a smoker a lot easier than someone who can figure out how to play guitar and mimic it.

00:53:08.000 Right.

00:53:09.000 Because when I see someone who can't play pool in a movie and you're like...

00:53:12.000 You know, pool hall junkies or something like that. 1.00

00:53:14.000 I'm like, shit, get that fucking thing off the television. 1.00

00:53:16.000 It drives me crazy. 1.00

00:53:17.000 Like, that guy can't play.

00:53:18.000 He can't play.

00:53:19.000 He's doing it all wrong.

00:53:20.000 Look at his bridge.

00:53:22.000 Look at the way he's holding it. 1.00

00:53:22.000 This is bullshit. 1.00

00:53:23.000 And that's something real similar. 0.99

00:53:25.000 I mean, real simple, rather.

00:53:26.000 It's just the movement of an arm, and I can tell.

00:53:29.000 But for fingers and keys and the way a guy's sounding, I mean, they must be bananas to you.

00:53:37.000 Yeah.

00:53:39.000 Yeah, it drove me nuts.

00:53:41.000 I mean, I don't know what to say. 1.00

00:53:42.000 I was like, fuck, somebody fix it! 1.00

00:53:44.000 Yeah, what the fuck, man? 1.00

00:53:46.000 How do they not have, like, a coordinator? 1.00

00:53:47.000 I don't know.

00:53:49.000 I don't know.

00:53:50.000 I don't know.

00:53:51.000 But, you know. 1.00

00:53:52.000 Unless you're bullshit, and unless it's, like, a crazy kung fu movie. 0.99

00:53:55.000 Like, obviously I have a connection to martial arts where if I know someone's doing something that's not really going to work, it'll drive me crazy. 0.99

00:54:01.000 But if he's like, wah! 0.95

00:54:03.000 Like, fucking pulling people's hearts out and flying through the air and throwing sidekicks through buildings, I'm willing to suspend disbelief. 0.99

00:54:11.000 You know? 1.00

00:54:12.000 But you can't do that for Jimi Hendrix in a fucking biopic. 0.99

00:54:16.000 Yeah, that's true. 0.99

00:54:17.000 I got a question for you.

00:54:18.000 One of my favorite shows growing up was Kung Fu with David Carradine.

00:54:24.000 Yeah.

00:54:25.000 How did you feel about that? 1.00

00:54:26.000 Oh bullshit. 1.00

00:54:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:54:28.000 I loved it when I was a kid, though.

00:54:30.000 Right.

00:54:30.000 But you watch it now, and you're like, what?

00:54:33.000 But it was basically fighting people who didn't know how to fight.

00:54:36.000 Like, there was no one who fought.

00:54:37.000 Like, some dude came out who was a legit Muay Thai fighter, started kicking his legs.

00:54:40.000 David Carrotine, you know, pulled his throat out and killed him.

00:54:44.000 Was that some drunk guy with the beer mug?

00:54:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:48.000 I don't think he really learned kung fu for that show.

00:54:51.000 I don't know, but it didn't seem like he did.

00:54:53.000 It seemed like he had very little that seemed like a real martial arts move.

00:54:59.000 Yeah, I don't...

00:55:01.000 I recently went back a couple years ago and bought the series and watched the whole thing, because as a kid I loved it.

00:55:07.000 Yeah.

00:55:09.000 We'll put it on.

00:55:11.000 Here you go, son.

00:55:12.000 Learn something, you know? 1.00

00:55:13.000 Lessons about how not to be an asshole. 1.00

00:55:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:55:15.000 And so, yeah, but I watched it recently, and I was wondering, I was like, what are these guys? 0.99

00:55:21.000 You know, guys who, like, really know what's up.

00:55:25.000 How do you feel about this?

00:55:26.000 Because I don't know, you know what I mean?

00:55:27.000 Right, right.

00:55:28.000 So.

00:55:30.000 Yeah, no one respects it.

00:55:33.000 Okay.

00:55:34.000 Okay.

00:55:36.000 But it was a good show in terms of it was interesting.

00:55:39.000 If you take out the martial arts element of it, it's an interesting show.

00:55:43.000 You got this guy who's raised in a monastery and then he's wandering through the Old West.

00:55:50.000 It's kind of a cool premise.

00:55:52.000 The premise behind it is really interesting.

00:55:54.000 You know, and he was like this real calm, peaceful guy who wasn't an asshole at all.

00:56:00.000 He could not have been nicer.

00:56:01.000 And that was a unique character because there really had never been anybody on television that was like that.

00:56:06.000 Just like this enlightened, peaceful guy. 0.99

00:56:09.000 You know, he had long hair and shit. 0.99

00:56:11.000 He's just kind of a hippie and he's wandering through life and people keep fucking with him. 1.00

00:56:14.000 They just keep fucking with him. 1.00

00:56:16.000 You know? 1.00

00:56:17.000 It was interesting in that way.

00:56:19.000 It made a lot of people want to pretend they're that guy, I'm sure.

00:56:23.000 I was one of them.

00:56:24.000 I was definitely one of them.

00:56:28.000 Like how so?

00:56:29.000 How so?

00:56:31.000 How were you one of them?

00:56:32.000 I mean, just the attitude.

00:56:38.000 I was waiting for a moment.

00:56:42.000 I wish somebody would so I could quiet Chang Kang now. 0.70

00:56:46.000 That's the opposite, though.

00:56:48.000 He wished somebody would be peaceful.

00:56:50.000 Right, I know.

00:56:50.000 And you're like, I wish somebody would.

00:56:51.000 I know, but I just, I mean, I was a kid, so I, you know, I loved that.

00:56:56.000 Speaking of being inspired, man, you know, one of my favorite things that I love to do, which I haven't done in a while, was, you know, catch up and watch the UFC, you know, and get into that.

00:57:09.000 And I was sitting around and Starting to kind of feel like a piece of shit drinking too much and whatever and so I was you know looking at these guys you know training and doing what they do so it kind of inspired me to get on my bike and get the heavy bag and get on the weights and do my thing and I was really into it I haven't been been keeping up for a while and I kind of got the gut to show it and I'm working on it I need to get back on my game is what I'm saying.

00:57:38.000 Do you want to train while you're in LA? Is that what you're saying? 0.76

00:57:40.000 I would love to.

00:57:41.000 I'll find you a place.

00:57:42.000 I need to.

00:57:42.000 I need to do something.

00:57:43.000 Well, we'll talk off the air, and I'll get you.

00:57:46.000 Are you interested in taking jujitsu, or what are you interested in doing?

00:57:49.000 Well, whatever is kind of right for me and my build.

00:57:54.000 I don't have a whole lot of time, but I'm definitely interested in getting back into it and getting my mind focused.

00:58:00.000 The reality is there's different styles of jiu-jitsu that are great for every build.

00:58:04.000 And when I say different styles, I mean different approaches.

00:58:07.000 Jiu-jitsu is so broad.

00:58:09.000 There's so many different techniques and so many different strategies and so many different moves and counter moves that your build is perfect for jiu-jitsu.

00:58:17.000 You're long and tall.

00:58:18.000 You have long arms and long legs.

00:58:20.000 And you can catch people in chokes that a stubby little dude like me can't.

00:58:24.000 Because I have short arms and short legs, you know?

00:58:27.000 But different builds like mine are better for certain positions.

00:58:31.000 There's this guy, Husamar Palhares, who's like me but more exaggerated.

00:58:35.000 He's way thicker and more muscular and he just tears people's legs apart.

00:58:39.000 He's a leg lock specialist.

00:58:41.000 And there's a lot of other guys that are smaller that are really fast and they're good at taking people's backs like Marcelo Garcia.

00:58:47.000 But there's a lot of tall guys in jiu-jitsu.

00:58:51.000 There's definitely an advantage.

00:58:53.000 There's an advantage of leverage, just mechanical leverage from having long limbs.

00:58:58.000 It's good for striking, too, though, man.

00:59:00.000 It's good for learning striking arts.

00:59:02.000 If I had to say, if there's one build that has the most definitive advantages, I would say tall and long, because it's harder to hit you because you're further away from me, you could hit me in a place where I can't hit you.

00:59:14.000 How tall are you?

00:59:14.000 6'4.

00:59:15.000 You're 6'4.

00:59:16.000 I'm 5'8.

00:59:17.000 So you're dealing with all that.

00:59:19.000 You're dealing with eight extra inches.

00:59:20.000 So there's eight extra inches between, like, your head and my head, which may or may not translate as far as, like, how long your arms are, how long your legs are, but definitely there's at least a few inches of advantage.

00:59:34.000 Which means, like, if we were both throwing punches at the same time, you would hit me before I would hit you, and I probably would never hit you because of that. 0.94

00:59:41.000 Because you would hit me, like, as I was throwing a punch and I'd get fucked up, Like, that's a big advantage.

00:59:46.000 Like, Jon Jones, the UFC former light heavyweight champion, he's, like, the best at using, because he's a big, tall dude, and he's the best at, like, using that advantage. 0.97

00:59:54.000 It's one of the best advantages of being long and tall.

00:59:56.000 Right.

00:59:57.000 Yeah, I'm ready.

00:59:58.000 You ready?

00:59:59.000 Look at you.

01:00:00.000 You're moving your jacket around.

01:00:01.000 I need to do something.

01:00:02.000 I know I'm, like, bawling at my fists while you're talking.

01:00:04.000 I'm like, yeah, let's do this.

01:00:05.000 Well, it's a great way to blow off energy and stress.

01:00:08.000 Yeah, I need that as well.

01:00:10.000 Yeah.

01:00:10.000 Definitely.

01:00:11.000 People get addicted to it.

01:00:12.000 Like we was talking about Bourdain.

01:00:13.000 He didn't even start doing it until he was 58. And 57, 58. And now he does it every day.

01:00:19.000 He does jujitsu every day.

01:00:20.000 He loves it.

01:00:21.000 He's obsessed with it.

01:00:22.000 Yeah.

01:00:22.000 A lot of musicians get into it.

01:00:24.000 I know a lot of musicians that are into jujitsu.

01:00:28.000 Because it becomes like a...

01:00:29.000 Martial arts really are an art form.

01:00:32.000 It doesn't seem an art form to the outsider because people, they say, oh, it's just fighting, it's just brutality.

01:00:37.000 But the reality is there's way, way, way more people who are into martial arts who never get into a fight ever.

01:00:44.000 Than people who use it either in competition or use it for self-defense.

01:00:48.000 It's a form of art.

01:00:52.000 It's an expression.

01:00:53.000 And when you watch someone pull off a move, it's beautiful.

01:00:56.000 It's one of those things that seems to be only beautiful for people who understand it.

01:01:00.000 But for people who understand it, it's amazing.

01:01:03.000 I can respect it.

01:01:05.000 I kind of understand what's going on.

01:01:07.000 I can appreciate it.

01:01:09.000 Someone playing a nice solo or something and executing it well.

01:01:14.000 I can kind of get that.

01:01:18.000 What it takes to pay attention and be in that moment and execute.

01:01:26.000 It's that.

01:01:27.000 It's a bunch of other factors, too.

01:01:28.000 It's setting up an attack that either the person couldn't anticipate or couldn't figure out what to do in time.

01:01:36.000 And then it locks in.

01:01:37.000 And then once it locks in, you're like, oh, it's beautiful.

01:01:41.000 It's like a painting or a work of art or a masterful guitar solo or any of those things.

01:01:47.000 Art is... 0.98

01:01:48.000 Your dedication and your focus and then the expression and the results of that dedication and focus in a way where, like, if I watch someone pull off a move that I don't know how to do, it's particularly beautiful to me because I'm like, oh, shit, look how he did that.

01:02:03.000 Like, there's certain moves that I'll have to replay, like, over and over and over again.

01:02:07.000 Like, I'll watch...

01:02:08.000 Certain setups like over and over and over again till I get it into my head and And I didn't this so many different ways to move the body that there's a lot of like I've been doing jujitsu since 1996 and there's still a bunch of moves that I don't know I don't understand and I have to go.

01:02:24.000 Oh, how did he do that?

01:02:25.000 How did he do that?

01:02:26.000 But today like we're talking about like with Google we're so lucky that we could just go to YouTube videos and One of the beautiful things about jujitsu is It used to be that martial arts were like a secret.

01:02:38.000 This is the secret death touch!

01:02:40.000 And nobody would tell you that secret death touch, but it didn't exist. 1.00

01:02:44.000 It was bullshit. 1.00

01:02:45.000 The reality of jujitsu is almost every move people are dying to explain to people because people love learning new shit. 0.99

01:02:53.000 People that are jujitsu artists love learning new stuff, so people that are jujitsu artists that have a new move love to put that move online.

01:03:00.000 It's a big part of the community.

01:03:01.000 A huge part of the community is sharing and openness.

01:03:04.000 So, like, everybody does seminars, and everybody teaches everybody everything.

01:03:08.000 But in the early days, it wasn't like that.

01:03:10.000 Even the early days of jiu-jitsu.

01:03:12.000 What happened was, in 1993, when the UFC was created, people first started to see jiu-jitsu. 0.99

01:03:18.000 And they were like, what the fuck?

01:03:19.000 But there was a lot of moves, like triangles, and things along those lines. 0.99

01:03:23.000 Where I had friends that would take classes at certain schools, and they would say, hey, you know, Hoist Gracie tapped out Dan Severin with a triangle.

01:03:30.000 How do I do that?

01:03:31.000 And the teacher was like, you're not ready for that yet.

01:03:33.000 Like, I can't teach you that yet.

01:03:35.000 That's a black bell technique or that's a purple bell technique or whatever.

01:03:39.000 And they just, people like turned off to it.

01:03:41.000 And then they found other more unconventional, open-minded schools that immediately taught everybody everything.

01:03:47.000 And those are the schools that became prosperous.

01:03:49.000 Those schools were really successful.

01:03:51.000 And the schools that held people back, they never produced champions.

01:03:54.000 They never produced any, like, real notable jiu-jitsu players.

01:03:58.000 And the open-minded, like, experimental schools, those are the ones that blew up.

01:04:02.000 It's really interesting in that way.

01:04:04.000 Like, the free exchange of information overwhelmingly won out in the world of jiu-jitsu.

01:04:11.000 That makes sense to me.

01:04:12.000 It does, right?

01:04:13.000 Yeah.

01:04:14.000 So, how does it, like...

01:04:15.000 Like, I have a...

01:04:20.000 Same kind of appreciation for martial arts, comedy, music, anything like that.

01:04:30.000 I can appreciate the hard work and everything that goes back into it.

01:04:33.000 Do you feel the same way about martial arts as comedy?

01:04:36.000 Do you approach it the same way?

01:04:40.000 In some ways, yeah.

01:04:42.000 In some ways, it's about practice, dedication, application, and reality.

01:04:47.000 Like, if something's not funny, it's just not funny.

01:04:50.000 If people don't laugh, they just don't laugh.

01:04:51.000 And if a technique doesn't work, it just doesn't work.

01:04:54.000 You know, if you can't pull it off, if somebody chokes you, they just choked you.

01:04:57.000 Right.

01:04:58.000 You know?

01:04:58.000 That's it.

01:04:59.000 You could be a 20-year black belt, right? 0.98

01:05:01.000 And some dude catches you in a guillotine.

01:05:03.000 He's only been doing jiu-jitsu for six months.

01:05:05.000 But someone teaches him...

01:05:06.000 How to do this, grab your arm like that, pull it underneath someone's neck, wrap your legs around them, squeeze, and you can't get out?

01:05:12.000 Well, he tapped you.

01:05:14.000 Even if he's only been doing jiu-jitsu for six months, and you've been doing jiu-jitsu for 30 years, it's still real.

01:05:20.000 If a guy taps you, they tap you.

01:05:24.000 It's one of the things I love about pool.

01:05:26.000 The ball either goes in the hole, or it doesn't go in the hole.

01:05:29.000 It doesn't matter if you either knock it in the hole or you don't.

01:05:31.000 There's no, I almost made that shot. 0.99

01:05:33.000 That doesn't mean jack shit, you know? 0.97

01:05:36.000 It doesn't mean anything. 1.00

01:05:37.000 Oh man, I'm that asshole who says that. 0.99

01:05:39.000 Well we all say it, but you know the reality of the actual winning of the game, right? 1.00

01:05:44.000 It's a personality thing. 0.99

01:05:47.000 Like sometimes people can get really far on a bullshit personality. 0.97

01:05:50.000 And a lot of bravado, and a lot of bragging, and a lot of false stories, and then the actual application in life is they've sort of skirted through with all the dance moves and all the personality. 0.99

01:06:02.000 But they don't have any real substance to it.

01:06:04.000 That doesn't work in Jiu-Jitsu, just like it doesn't really work in comedy.

01:06:08.000 Comedy-like personality accounts for a certain amount of the audience accepting you, but...

01:06:14.000 Ultimately, if your concepts aren't there and if you don't have a good setup, if you don't know how to deliver it in a way that people are going to easily enter into their mind and they're going to carry along, then it either works or it doesn't.

01:06:28.000 There's some parallel truths in that, in martial arts and in comedy in that way.

01:06:38.000 Yeah, I'm very intrigued by all of it.

01:06:44.000 That's why I'm asking.

01:06:45.000 I'm very curious.

01:06:47.000 I want to get in there.

01:06:48.000 Well, all complex systems, whether it's music, writing, creating a movie, anything.

01:06:55.000 Complex things are fascinating to me, too, because I've never made a movie, but when I see CGI animators, I go watch this documentary on guys making animated scenes for films, like special effects scenes,

01:07:11.000 and I think to myself, wow, that is fascinating.

01:07:13.000 They're creating an artificial world.

01:07:15.000 And inside that artificial world, they have these creatures moving and they have these people that have to put on these motion capture suits and go through the motions pretending they're interacting with these things that aren't even there.

01:07:25.000 And then someone has to piece it.

01:07:26.000 It's amazing to me.

01:07:27.000 It's amazing to me.

01:07:28.000 But I'm not going to do it.

01:07:30.000 I don't have any time.

01:07:32.000 But I look at that the same way I kind of look at music or the same way I look at writing or comedy or anything.

01:07:40.000 It's fascinating to me watching someone Go after something and put it together and make something that is almost unfathomable take place.

01:07:49.000 Whether it's the creation of an album, whether it's a comedy special, whether it's someone who writes an amazing book. 0.98

01:07:56.000 I love when people get shit done. 0.93

01:07:58.000 Yeah, I do too. 0.97

01:08:02.000 It's a beautiful thing.

01:08:03.000 Yeah.

01:08:04.000 Right?

01:08:04.000 Yeah.

01:08:05.000 Well, as an artist, does that inspire you when you see, like if you go to see a great movie or read a great book or something like that, does that inspire you to want to create?

01:08:18.000 Yeah, it doesn't inspire me to write a book.

01:08:22.000 Right, right, right.

01:08:23.000 But I think I kind of know what my lane is at this point.

01:08:27.000 I try to stay in it.

01:08:30.000 But yeah, I'll definitely go see a movie or read and it'll get my creative juices flowing and inspire me to be To just be better and try and contribute.

01:08:51.000 You know what I mean?

01:08:51.000 Contribute something good or be positive and make myself feel something or make somebody else feel something.

01:08:58.000 I don't know.

01:08:58.000 It does something to me, definitely.

01:09:00.000 It's hard to describe.

01:09:01.000 I still can't describe what it is that makes this creative thing click or explain how I do what I do, but definitely seeing movies or hearing...

01:09:18.000 You know, great musicians, great guitar players, you know, it'll freak me out.

01:09:25.000 And I'll go, oh shit, my ego gets involved a little bit, you know what I mean? 1.00

01:09:29.000 And I'm like, this motherfucker. 1.00

01:09:31.000 But, you know, it's like, okay, I respect that. 1.00

01:09:34.000 Let me go get on my game and do my thing.

01:09:37.000 There's this guitar player down in Austin, Texas, who I haven't seen in a while.

01:09:50.000 And his name's Derrick O'Brien.

01:09:53.000 He's one of the greatest blues guitar players in the world.

01:09:56.000 Played, backed up Muddy Waters, Albert Collins, Albert King, everybody.

01:10:03.000 He's like in the house band at Anton's, this club.

01:10:08.000 I hadn't seen him in a while, so I go back home and, you know, I got my little reputation and, you know, people are like, oh, you know, this, that, that.

01:10:16.000 And I'm, you know, I'm like, all right.

01:10:18.000 I know my strengths and weaknesses, but I was feeling good about myself.

01:10:22.000 And then I got up on stage and let this, you know, this guy was just ripping it. 1.00

01:10:27.000 And I just, in that moment, I was like, fuck. 0.99

01:10:33.000 It's like, I ain't got shit on this guy, you know what I mean? 1.00

01:10:36.000 It was a nice reality check, so I immediately went back and started shedding, and I've been kind of doing it since. 0.97

01:10:44.000 Yeah, that's a beautiful thing about being around inspiring artists.

01:10:47.000 It's one of the cool things about being in a place like in LA or Nashville, or if you're a musician, if that's your style of music, or Austin, or anywhere where there's a good group Of people that are also doing the same thing.

01:11:00.000 It's like you use those people and they use you and everybody's like fuel for each other.

01:11:04.000 Yeah.

01:11:05.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:11:07.000 I'm starting to kind of figure out the scenes here in L.A. a little bit more as well.

01:11:13.000 You know, I went out the other night and had like this jazz musicians and, you know, Really like the best of the best.

01:11:23.000 People are on top of their game.

01:11:24.000 Folks who can read charts.

01:11:25.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:30.000 Do you practice? 0.96

01:11:33.000 Are there certain clubs that a musician like you can go and just fuck around with new stuff?

01:11:39.000 For stand-ups, we'll go to the comedy store and we'll practice. 0.54

01:11:43.000 Or we'll go to the improv and we'll practice.

01:11:45.000 If I have some new bits that I'm working on, I will go there and I'll air them out.

01:11:52.000 Right.

01:11:53.000 Yeah, in Austin, there's this spot every Sunday, they'll have a blues jam, you know.

01:12:03.000 So yeah, you would either go sit in with people that you don't know or haven't played with before or whatever and try out some new chords.

01:12:14.000 Maybe you learned something fancy like a transition chord to go from the One to the five on the turnaround and the slow blues, whatever, and the key to C, whatever.

01:12:26.000 So you go work that out.

01:12:29.000 Or you bring your squad.

01:12:30.000 I mean, me and my buddy Zapata, he plays in my band.

01:12:34.000 We would go up sometimes and know a drummer that kind of knew how we flowed and a bass player who could pick up on something.

01:12:42.000 Like, we got this new track. 0.95

01:12:43.000 We're about to fuck people up with this. 0.85

01:12:45.000 Either it would work or it wouldn't. 0.94

01:12:47.000 But yeah, there was those places.

01:12:48.000 Yeah.

01:12:50.000 Yeah, that's kind of the fuel, you know, to be in those spots and be around other players and get up and do their thing.

01:12:58.000 Yeah, there's nothing like that.

01:13:02.000 For you, when you create music, do you just get an idea?

01:13:09.000 What is the creation process from?

01:13:11.000 Does it vary?

01:13:12.000 Or is there a specific creation process from the moment you get an idea to putting it to paper or to remembering it and making a song and putting the beat to it and putting the sounds to it?

01:13:25.000 It's kind of an unorganized mess.

01:13:27.000 I haven't figured out a process.

01:13:32.000 I don't think it's a mess.

01:13:33.000 I think it just comes naturally.

01:13:35.000 I'll have a guitar and I might have a chord progression and it'll just kind of stick and then I'll put a melody over it.

01:13:45.000 I'll be singing something around the house and grab the guitar and put that together.

01:13:52.000 With technology, I love being able to travel and I travel a lot.

01:13:58.000 On airplane or on the bus, I'll pull out an MPC or something and kind of put in drum tracks and build from there or whatever.

01:14:05.000 So it all just kind of depends on where I am and what I have access to.

01:14:13.000 But now having a little one, being at home, I gotta like take advantage of my time.

01:14:19.000 It's like, oh, you have an hour here, go try and make something happen.

01:14:21.000 Right, right.

01:14:22.000 So it's ever changing it.

01:14:24.000 But just whatever feels right, you know?

01:14:26.000 I don't think if it becomes too much of a formula, then I think it'll lose its raw, organic kind of What I got into it for.

01:14:43.000 Right.

01:14:44.000 Which is kind of not knowing and not having any rules, you know.

01:14:49.000 So, yeah, it just depends.

01:14:53.000 That's a real common thing that you said, that a lot of people say, that once they had a kid, they realized that their free time is actually precious.

01:14:59.000 So, because kids demand so much time, babies demand so much time, and you really don't have much, you start going, okay, the kid's asleep, let's get to work.

01:15:12.000 Because you have children than you did when you were free.

01:15:16.000 Oh, man.

01:15:16.000 I would sit around and, you know, I was sitting a living by myself.

01:15:22.000 I'd be working on a song for eight hours.

01:15:24.000 I'd have a loop playing.

01:15:26.000 You know, and just, you know, let me go get some food.

01:15:30.000 I'll come back to that.

01:15:31.000 Maybe something awesome would...

01:15:33.000 Maybe I'll get a genius idea or whatever.

01:15:37.000 I spent two months working on one song.

01:15:41.000 You don't have that much time anymore.

01:15:45.000 It's a blessing. 0.99

01:15:47.000 Get your shit together, you're either going to do it or you're not. 0.99

01:15:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:15:50.000 Louis C.K. was the first person to tell me that.

01:15:52.000 It was so counterintuitive.

01:15:54.000 I was like, really?

01:15:55.000 He's like, yeah, actually, I get a lot more done now than I have children than I did when I was free to do whatever I wanted.

01:16:01.000 He's like, now I'm just under the gun all the time.

01:16:03.000 So that's how I get things done.

01:16:05.000 Yeah, well, creatively, I guess, for me.

01:16:08.000 I mean, we spend so much time out on the road, like we're gone a lot. 0.99

01:16:12.000 So, I kind of need my quiet time, and there's not really a lot of quiet time with a bunch of dudes hanging around, you know, smelling like ass. 1.00

01:16:26.000 You know? 0.99

01:16:27.000 Yeah.

01:16:29.000 Yeah, it's just a lot, and I can't really function that way, so I kind of have to be home in order to be creative and do that.

01:16:39.000 When you go on the road, do you do, like, long stretches?

01:16:41.000 Like, you go on the road for, like, two months at a time and have a bunch of dates laid out for you?

01:16:45.000 Yeah, I mean, we take off here next week, and we're pretty much gone until...

01:16:57.000 Maybe August or something?

01:16:59.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:17:00.000 I mean, we'll have a few days here and there where I'll come back home.

01:17:04.000 So do you bring your family with you?

01:17:06.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:17:07.000 They'll come with me sometimes.

01:17:12.000 Yeah, like we just, they just came with us.

01:17:14.000 We were in Australia and, you know, just did the whole trip, you know. 1.00

01:17:19.000 That's a fucking flight. 0.99

01:17:19.000 On the planes and everything. 0.99

01:17:21.000 Woo, that flight.

01:17:23.000 Yeah.

01:17:23.000 That flight wrecks you.

01:17:24.000 It's not my favorite.

01:17:26.000 It's not my favorite either.

01:17:27.000 I kind of hate it.

01:17:28.000 Yeah, somebody just offered me a trip to New Zealand, a vacation trip to New Zealand. 0.99

01:17:32.000 I was like, bitch, that's not a vacation. 0.98

01:17:34.000 Nah, that's work. 1.00

01:17:36.000 That's work. 1.00

01:17:37.000 16 hours in a fucking plane or whatever the hell it is? 1.00

01:17:40.000 Like, come on. 1.00

01:17:40.000 There's nothing vacation-y about that. 1.00

01:17:43.000 Yeah.

01:17:43.000 It's beautiful over there.

01:17:45.000 Yeah.

01:17:45.000 You know, but by the time you can get over there, you're tired and you just want to go back home.

01:17:49.000 I would think that it would be a vacation for someone who didn't travel all the time.

01:17:52.000 But for someone like you or someone like me who's always traveling, it's like, what?

01:17:56.000 Yeah.

01:17:57.000 Yeah.

01:17:58.000 Yeah.

01:17:58.000 I kind of like to be at home.

01:18:00.000 Yeah.

01:18:00.000 I'm kind of boring that way.

01:18:02.000 It's like I could be in my house for like three days straight.

01:18:05.000 Yeah, but that's also because you travel so much, it's in direct contrast to that.

01:18:09.000 So it's a welcome change.

01:18:11.000 Right, but I got guys on my crew who will get right off tour and just go hit it.

01:18:16.000 Really?

01:18:16.000 Yeah.

01:18:17.000 Single guys though?

01:18:18.000 Nah.

01:18:19.000 Really?

01:18:19.000 Yeah, like get off the plane, you know, from a tour and then just like bust off.

01:18:26.000 My boy went to Cuba.

01:18:27.000 You know, like, going on tour for, it seemed like, what, forever?

01:18:31.000 And then he's, like, chilling in Cuba, like, man, this seems exhausting.

01:18:37.000 You know?

01:18:39.000 Cuba is one of those places, though, I think I need to go to.

01:18:43.000 I think I need to go to it before it changes.

01:18:46.000 Yeah, so soon.

01:18:47.000 Yeah, because right now there's no internet.

01:18:50.000 They don't have any internet.

01:18:51.000 You can't keep track of your emails.

01:18:53.000 There's like a couple spots where you can get like 3G. My boy Chris Krishna found him.

01:18:58.000 Yeah.

01:18:58.000 Oh, he found him?

01:18:59.000 He found him.

01:19:00.000 He was like, I love it.

01:19:02.000 What's up, Chris?

01:19:03.000 He goes, I'm going down to Cuba.

01:19:06.000 I'm not going to be able to get in touch with you.

01:19:11.000 And I was like, alright, man.

01:19:13.000 I get it.

01:19:13.000 Cool.

01:19:13.000 Have fun.

01:19:14.000 And then I get this call from this weird number.

01:19:16.000 He's like, yo, I found the one spot.

01:19:18.000 I was like, man, why don't you just enjoy.

01:19:20.000 Chill out.

01:19:21.000 Just be off the grid for a minute.

01:19:24.000 It's hard.

01:19:25.000 It's hard for people.

01:19:27.000 It's one of the things I like most about hunting trips.

01:19:31.000 A lot of them, you're in places where you don't have a choice.

01:19:33.000 You're in the middle of a mountain.

01:19:35.000 There's nothing up here, dude.

01:19:36.000 Nothing.

01:19:37.000 You might be able to get to the top of a mountain and send someone a text message.

01:19:40.000 Right.

01:19:40.000 They might not be able to reply.

01:19:42.000 They might not even get it.

01:19:43.000 They might just get lost in the air somewhere.

01:19:46.000 Yeah, that's kind of where I need to go to go write my songs and stuff.

01:19:50.000 Just get out.

01:19:51.000 So, hunting trips.

01:19:53.000 Dude, I saw this thing with you. 0.99

01:19:55.000 It's like this big ass... 0.99

01:19:57.000 What was it? 0.98

01:19:58.000 Like a moose?

01:19:59.000 Oh, a moose leg.

01:20:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:20:01.000 I was like walking through the airport, walking through somewhere, and I was like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

01:20:07.000 I felt like this small of a man. 0.99

01:20:09.000 I was like, dude, this guy's beast mode right now.

01:20:14.000 Well, that was intentionally...

01:20:17.000 They wanted to make something that was as in your face about the realities of meat as possible.

01:20:25.000 Right.

01:20:25.000 You know, I got into this with some...

01:20:27.000 People on Twitter the other day, I like to troll vegans occasionally.

01:20:31.000 I see. 1.00

01:20:32.000 Because someone was making some stupid shit saying that saturated fats are terrible for you. 1.00

01:20:37.000 No, they're not. 1.00

01:20:38.000 They're not.

01:20:38.000 There's scientific studies that show saturated fats are actually healthy for you and important for you.

01:20:44.000 But people think that if you hunt or if you're involved somehow in animals, sometimes eating animals, that you're a cruel person.

01:20:52.000 You want to hurt animals.

01:20:53.000 You want to cause pain and suffering.

01:20:55.000 No.

01:20:56.000 I don't want to have anything to do with factory farming.

01:20:59.000 Because I don't want to be involved in that.

01:21:01.000 But...

01:21:02.000 The animals that I'm out hunting, if I don't get them, a wolf's getting them, or a coyote's getting them, or a mountain lion's getting them.

01:21:09.000 They're not living forever.

01:21:10.000 They have a very short window of time where they're alive.

01:21:14.000 If a deer makes it to six years old, that is a really old deer.

01:21:18.000 And most of them, they die long before that.

01:21:21.000 What I'm doing is I'm dipping my feet into that wild world.

01:21:26.000 And I'm pulling something out of it and that's where I get all my protein from or all my animal protein.

01:21:32.000 I love animals.

01:21:33.000 I think they're amazing.

01:21:34.000 I have cats at home.

01:21:35.000 I have dogs.

01:21:36.000 It's not a cruelty to animals thing and this is something that I used to think of, when I thought of hunters, I saw some television show where this hunter had a dog, and he's petting his dog. 0.98

01:21:47.000 I was like, how does this motherfucker differentiate between this dog and some deer? 0.99

01:21:51.000 He's going to shoot his lungs out. 1.00

01:21:53.000 That's kind of fucked up. 1.00

01:21:54.000 This guy's weird. 0.99

01:21:56.000 But then I got it. 0.97

01:21:57.000 The dog is a killer, too, man.

01:22:00.000 Life eats life.

01:22:02.000 And it's not a matter of being cruel.

01:22:05.000 It's a matter of sustainability and being alive.

01:22:09.000 Then there's the reality of hunting that not everybody can hunt.

01:22:12.000 Not everybody has the time.

01:22:13.000 Not everybody wants to, especially in the world that we've grown up in with cities.

01:22:18.000 Something that took me several years to sort of get into it and really understand what it's all about and educate myself.

01:22:24.000 And then once I did educate myself, one of the most compelling things was how...

01:22:29.000 Ignorant most people are about the facts of hunting, about the facts of wildlife, about wildlife management, and about just where their food comes from.

01:22:37.000 And even about how many animals die making grain. 1.00

01:22:41.000 When people say, you know, I only eat quinoa and fucking alfalfa. 0.99

01:22:47.000 Guess what? 1.00

01:22:48.000 That shit's getting chopped up in a combine, and it's chewing up bunnies and fawns and rats and mice and sparrows and ground-nesting birds and... 0.99

01:22:57.000 And you're removing the habitat when you're growing food like that for a lot of different wildlife. 0.99

01:23:02.000 The wildlife gets displaced, and the displaced wildlife wind up getting preyed on.

01:23:06.000 There's a lot of factors involved in gathering food.

01:23:10.000 And when we're living in cities, we're living in this bizarre, natural environment.

01:23:16.000 And when I say cities are a natural environment, they are a natural environment, because they're everywhere.

01:23:21.000 They're a natural environment for people.

01:23:23.000 Like anybody says, the cities aren't natural, man.

01:23:25.000 Well, how come there's so many of them?

01:23:27.000 Like, what is nature?

01:23:29.000 What is a beehive? 0.97

01:23:29.000 Is it a beehive nature? 0.97

01:23:31.000 A beehive is nature, right? 1.00

01:23:32.000 Well, that's a fucking bee city, okay? 1.00

01:23:34.000 They've created a city. 1.00

01:23:35.000 They know how to do it.

01:23:36.000 They do it everywhere. 1.00

01:23:37.000 That's the same goddamn thing people do. 0.99

01:23:38.000 We create these super complicated beehives, we call them cities, and we create them all over the world. 0.99

01:23:43.000 It's not like there's one city and we're like, what the fuck is that?

01:23:46.000 The cities are everywhere there are people. 0.99

01:23:49.000 When people figure shit out and they have electricity and they have agriculture, then they have surplus, And then they put up fucking walls and make buildings and then boom, we got a city. 0.98

01:23:59.000 And they're everywhere you look. 0.99

01:24:00.000 I think there's just some strange detachment from where our food comes from when it's shipped in in trucks all the time.

01:24:13.000 Education into the world of hunting a big part of it was like to try to figure out like I Try to figure out bizarre things like things that don't make sense to me I try to figure out I try to figure out all sorts of weird misconceptions and misunderstandings I this what fascinates me about people that are involved in cults so it fascinates me by people that have bad conceptions or bad thoughts about psychedelics that are untrue and People think that certain things are going to make you go crazy and lose your mind.

01:24:43.000 Well, why is that?

01:24:44.000 What makes people...

01:24:44.000 Oh, well, there's propaganda films from the 1930s.

01:24:47.000 Well, what started that?

01:24:48.000 Well, it was a guy named William Randolph Hearst who actually profited from marijuana being illegal.

01:24:52.000 Like, oh, okay.

01:24:53.000 And then you get... 1.00

01:24:53.000 I'm fascinated by shit like that. 1.00

01:24:55.000 So the food thing was always fascinating to me. 1.00

01:24:57.000 Like, how can we just go to a store and you get a piece of meat? 0.94

01:25:00.000 And we have no idea where the fuck this meat came from. 0.98

01:25:02.000 We literally just... 0.98

01:25:03.000 We don't even care.

01:25:04.000 We throw it in the supermarket, you know, throw it in the cart...

01:25:06.000 Go to the supermarket, give that guy a piece of plastic, he runs it through the machine, and you're out the door.

01:25:10.000 Right.

01:25:11.000 It's strange.

01:25:12.000 It's very odd when that's a piece of life.

01:25:16.000 Yeah, I think about that too, but I don't hunt.

01:25:20.000 But do you eat meat?

01:25:21.000 I do.

01:25:22.000 I'm guilty, completely.

01:25:23.000 But it's not guilty.

01:25:24.000 It's normal to eat meat.

01:25:26.000 Everybody, like 90%, this is a fact, of the world eats meat.

01:25:31.000 Right.

01:25:31.000 90, 95, depending on who you ask, but it's at least 90. Of the world eats meat.

01:25:37.000 Even vegetarians. 1.00

01:25:39.000 Some asshole said to me the other day, it was hilarious, he goes, I'm 90% vegetarian and I think, oh, shut the fuck up! 1.00

01:25:45.000 You can't say that. 1.00

01:25:46.000 Yeah, how do you do, how?

01:25:48.000 That's not 90% vegetarian.

01:25:50.000 That's not real.

01:25:51.000 There's no such thing as 90% vegetarian.

01:25:53.000 You are 100% not vegetarian if you eat meat.

01:25:57.000 That's not 90% vegetarian. 1.00

01:25:59.000 He's an asshole. 1.00

01:26:01.000 He's a convenient, moral, high ground asshole who's just trying to let everybody know he's better than you because most of the time he doesn't eat meat. 1.00

01:26:08.000 Just fuck you. 1.00

01:26:10.000 Yeah, I'll just go ahead and shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:26:15.000 Well, he was just trying to make an argument against hunting and about people who do it. 1.00

01:26:21.000 He's a fool. 0.99

01:26:23.000 But it's convenient for people because they're completely detached on a daily basis. 1.00

01:26:27.000 If you go to your office every day, you wake up in the morning, you have your breakfast, you drive to work.

01:26:32.000 You go to work.

01:26:33.000 At the end of the day, you go to the gym.

01:26:35.000 You go home.

01:26:35.000 You watch a little television.

01:26:36.000 You crash.

01:26:37.000 You get up in the morning.

01:26:38.000 You do that again.

01:26:39.000 You do it five days a week. 1.00

01:26:40.000 You're left with two fucking days. 0.99

01:26:42.000 Two days, Saturday and Sunday, if you're lucky. 0.99

01:26:44.000 And if you have family, those days are spoken for.

01:26:47.000 If you have friends, those days are spoken for.

01:26:49.000 If you have hobbies, those days.

01:26:50.000 So where's your gathering food come from?

01:26:52.000 You have to make a concerted effort if you really want to be a part of this organization.

01:26:57.000 If you really want to deeply understand where your food comes from, you have to make a concerted effort to either grow it or acquire it.

01:27:05.000 Somehow or another, you have to go to a farm and talk to the people that are growing the food and buy it from them.

01:27:10.000 Go to a farmer's market.

01:27:11.000 You can meet them.

01:27:12.000 I go to farmer's markets.

01:27:13.000 It's kind of cool.

01:27:14.000 I like meeting the people that work on the farms.

01:27:16.000 I ask them and talk to them about it.

01:27:19.000 But the meat thing is the big detachment.

01:27:22.000 Everybody kind of understands.

01:27:23.000 You plant a seed, you water it, a tomato comes out.

01:27:25.000 They kind of get that.

01:27:27.000 But the animal part, the vast majority of people who eat meat just do not understand the whole process.

01:27:34.000 They don't want to know.

01:27:36.000 They just buy a burger.

01:27:39.000 Yeah.

01:27:41.000 I'm starting to know a little bit more and it freaks me out.

01:27:45.000 It's a freak out.

01:27:47.000 But, you know.

01:27:49.000 It's a freakout.

01:27:50.000 I haven't quite switched over to...

01:27:52.000 Veganism? 0.63

01:27:53.000 Or going out and hunting?

01:27:54.000 Yeah, you know.

01:27:55.000 Well, my thought was I was going to do one of two things.

01:27:57.000 I was either going to become a vegan or I was going to become a hunter.

01:27:59.000 And I became a hunter.

01:28:01.000 Right.

01:28:01.000 And one of the reasons why I became a hunter is, first of all, the food's delicious.

01:28:05.000 It's good for you.

01:28:06.000 And those animals aren't not...

01:28:08.000 They're not living forever. 0.92

01:28:09.000 They're not becoming fairies and curing cancer if you don't shoot them. 1.00

01:28:13.000 And they're getting eaten by all kinds of shit around them. 1.00

01:28:16.000 You're just eating them as well. 0.99

01:28:21.000 It's a weird disconnect that we have about where food comes from and life itself.

01:28:27.000 Life is not permanent.

01:28:28.000 It's temporary.

01:28:29.000 It's here and it's gone.

01:28:30.000 It's fleeting.

01:28:31.000 It should be respected.

01:28:33.000 And I think one of the best ways to respect these animals, and it sounds totally counterintuitive, But it's to hunt them and eat them.

01:28:43.000 They become a part of your life.

01:28:44.000 They sustain you.

01:28:46.000 You have a deep appreciation for them because they literally sustain you.

01:28:51.000 They're a part of what makes you live.

01:28:53.000 Yeah.

01:28:54.000 That's real.

01:28:57.000 Yeah.

01:28:58.000 But you live in Texas.

01:28:59.000 A lot of hunting in Austin when you were living there.

01:29:03.000 Yeah.

01:29:04.000 A lot of my friends...

01:29:06.000 You know, they hunt.

01:29:08.000 So you know, they're big on it.

01:29:11.000 Did you ever want to go with them?

01:29:13.000 I did, but I had a couple of experiences with guns when I was younger that kind of freaked me out from that.

01:29:24.000 One of them was me being a kid, and I had a play gun, and I kind of colored the red kid safety thing.

01:29:36.000 Me and my buddy, so he had this daisy rifle.

01:29:40.000 I had this little...

01:29:41.000 I don't remember what it was.

01:29:45.000 We're just messing around, acting like kids, and then this guy comes driving.

01:29:53.000 Point the gun at him. 0.79

01:29:54.000 And the guy swerves off the road, hits a mailbox, crashes his car, gets out. 1.00

01:30:00.000 He's like, what the fuck are you guys doing? 0.97

01:30:01.000 You know, I'm nine. 0.99

01:30:03.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:30:04.000 He's like, what the fuck are you doing? 1.00

01:30:05.000 You could have killed somebody. 1.00

01:30:06.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:30:07.000 We're just like toys. 1.00

01:30:09.000 You know what I mean?

01:30:10.000 And his mom comes out, freaking out.

01:30:12.000 They didn't know that we did it.

01:30:13.000 My pops was like, you know, you got to understand this life, death here.

01:30:18.000 This is serious.

01:30:19.000 You got to understand this guy didn't know that you Yeah.

01:30:21.000 So it kind of freaked me out and then I went on one hunting trip and I had a 22 and it kicked me in the shoulder pretty good.

01:30:29.000 A 22 kicked you?

01:30:30.000 Yeah, I'm not a 22. A 12 gauge.

01:30:32.000 A 12 gauge.

01:30:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:32.000 Okay.

01:30:33.000 So yeah, it kicked me in.

01:30:34.000 I was like, what? 1.00

01:30:35.000 Trying to pussy? 1.00

01:30:39.000 That's like saying, man, I shot this slingshot one time. 1.00

01:30:42.000 Yeah, dude.

01:30:42.000 It just broke my hand.

01:30:43.000 Fucked me up. 0.98

01:30:44.000 No, no. 0.98

01:30:45.000 Yeah, it's about the 12-gauge out, and it kicked me pretty hard.

01:30:49.000 So I just kind of lost interest, but that was a long-ass time ago.

01:30:55.000 Suzanne from Honey Honey wants to go pig hunting. 1.00

01:30:57.000 She's so down.

01:30:59.000 She keeps bringing it up.

01:31:00.000 She's like, when are we going, Joe Rogan?

01:31:02.000 When are we going pig hunting?

01:31:03.000 She's totally down to do it. 1.00

01:31:04.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:31:05.000 Yeah, my boy Mike Weed, that's what he does all the time.

01:31:08.000 He's a little outside of Austin.

01:31:11.000 He's always going, sending me photos, sending me videos. 0.97

01:31:14.000 Well, in Austin, outside of Texas, they have a giant problem with pigs.

01:31:18.000 They have to hunt them.

01:31:19.000 Yeah, you can go to town on them.

01:31:20.000 They're everywhere.

01:31:21.000 They have no limits.

01:31:23.000 They do them from helicopters.

01:31:24.000 I mean, they have a whole business called hella hunting where they take people up in helicopters and they're shooting pigs because it's the only way to eradicate them from farms because there's so many of them.

01:31:35.000 And they do billions of dollars worth of damage just in Texas in crop destruction every year.

01:31:42.000 They're wild.

01:31:43.000 I mean, there's not enough mountain lions and there's no wolves to kill them.

01:31:48.000 I didn't realize they were so dangerous, too.

01:31:50.000 Oh, they're very dangerous.

01:31:51.000 The big ones, especially. 1.00

01:31:52.000 They'll fuck you up. 1.00

01:31:53.000 That's what I heard. 0.99

01:31:54.000 That's also why I don't go out there. 1.00

01:31:56.000 They'll fuck you up. 1.00

01:31:57.000 They killed the dad in Game of Thrones, right? 1.00

01:31:59.000 The first king, the original king. 1.00

01:32:02.000 The one who her husband, the chick who was fucking her brother in the Game of Thrones, the hot blonde lady, her husband died because he got killed by a pig. 0.99

01:32:15.000 Wait, is this in the show? 0.99

01:32:16.000 I don't know.

01:32:16.000 The show, Game of Thrones.

01:32:17.000 Not in real life, he didn't die.

01:32:18.000 I mean, in the movie, he died from a wild boar. 0.98

01:32:21.000 But they get fucking big, too. 0.97

01:32:24.000 Yeah, I don't... 0.99

01:32:25.000 I mean, a 400-pound wild hog is not uncommon.

01:32:30.000 That's real.

01:32:31.000 I've never seen one of them in real life. 0.92

01:32:33.000 They're crazy looking. 0.99

01:32:34.000 They're all black and they have long snouts and their tusks come out. 1.00

01:32:38.000 They have these white tusks. 0.97

01:32:39.000 Like when you see one in real life, you're like, oh, you hear them in real life?

01:32:43.000 First time I ever went pig hunting, I was with my friend Steve Rinella and we're on this farm or this ranch that's not far away from here.

01:32:50.000 It's Huge.

01:32:51.000 Biggest ranch in California.

01:32:52.000 270,000 acres.

01:32:53.000 It's called Tohono Ranch.

01:32:55.000 And we were walking down this road and we heard some snaps and some noises in the bushes.

01:33:00.000 Like, it's a really thick brush.

01:33:02.000 And then we heard these pigs fighting with each other. 0.99

01:33:04.000 And they were like demons, man. 0.97

01:33:07.000 And they're like, no more than 30 yards, 20 yards away from us.

01:33:12.000 They're like right there.

01:33:13.000 And they're duking it out. 0.51

01:33:14.000 And they're like, these are monsters, man.

01:33:16.000 They sound like monsters.

01:33:18.000 They freak me out more than hunting bears, more than hunting elk.

01:33:22.000 Not more than elk.

01:33:23.000 Elk's probably the biggest freakout because they scream.

01:33:25.000 They bugle and they're like a thousand pounds and they're like majestic.

01:33:29.000 Like they have trees growing out of their head.

01:33:31.000 These giant antlers.

01:33:32.000 Yeah.

01:33:32.000 Did you see the antlers that are in the front?

01:33:34.000 They're over by the front door when you walked in.

01:33:37.000 That's elk.

01:33:38.000 That's like a thousand pound animal with these gigantic elk.

01:33:42.000 I mean they're...

01:33:43.000 Immense, immense, majestic animals.

01:33:46.000 Those are the biggest freakouts.

01:33:47.000 Just because you feel like you're hunting some mystical creature.

01:33:50.000 Where do you find those?

01:33:52.000 Those were in Tejon Ranch, too.

01:33:53.000 One of them was.

01:33:54.000 One of those was from Tejon Ranch.

01:33:55.000 One of them was from Colorado.

01:33:58.000 Yeah.

01:34:00.000 Crazy. 0.99

01:34:01.000 But the pig thing is... 0.98

01:34:03.000 It's actually... 1.00

01:34:04.000 Look at that fucking thing. 1.00

01:34:05.000 Look at the size of that thing. 1.00

01:34:06.000 11-year-old hunter bags a 1,050-pound wild boar. 1.00

01:34:12.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:34:14.000 Just what the fuck? 1.00

01:34:16.000 First of all, with a pistol. 1.00

01:34:17.000 This is a perspective shot, which is actually kind of important because that boy is way behind that thing.

01:34:23.000 He's not right next to it.

01:34:25.000 So if he's behind it by just six or seven feet and the camera's on the ground, they're shooting it at eye level, it makes it look a lot bigger than it really is.

01:34:33.000 That's how they do it. 0.99

01:34:36.000 But a thousand pounds is a fucking thousand pounds. 1.00

01:34:39.000 That's a giant-ass pig. 1.00

01:34:41.000 Have you ever seen Hogzilla? 1.00

01:34:43.000 Have I seen it?

01:34:44.000 Have you seen the images of Hogzilla?

01:34:46.000 Have you heard of this? 0.54

01:34:46.000 This is like one of the biggest wild pigs that was ever killed. 0.54

01:34:50.000 I believe it was in Georgia.

01:34:52.000 Yeah.

01:34:53.000 Did they have a photo of Hogzilla?

01:34:56.000 There's one where it's hanging.

01:34:58.000 There, that one right there, Jamie.

01:34:59.000 Look at the size of the one that's hanging next to this guy. 0.99

01:35:01.000 Look at the fucking size of that thing. 0.98

01:35:03.000 So that's not a perspective shot. 0.99

01:35:05.000 That guy's standing right next to that thing.

01:35:09.000 What?

01:35:10.000 Yeah, what? 0.99

01:35:11.000 First of all, are those his balls up atop? 0.99

01:35:14.000 Because if that's his balls, respect. 1.00

01:35:21.000 That's a crazy sack. 1.00

01:35:23.000 That's like a couple of watermelons in an old lady's pantyhose. 1.00

01:35:26.000 Yeah, that's...what? 1.00

01:35:29.000 It's a giant fucking...giant balls. 1.00

01:35:32.000 How big was it? 1.00

01:35:33.000 Over a thousand pounds.

01:35:34.000 Yeah.

01:35:37.000 Originally, it was widely considered a hoax.

01:35:42.000 Well, what happens is domestic pigs are one of the few animals that morph automatically when they get out into the wild.

01:35:50.000 Like, if you have a pig and he's your buddy...

01:35:53.000 And you let them loose out in the forest, they change physically.

01:35:56.000 Their nose gets longer, their hair gets shaggier, and their teeth grow longer.

01:36:00.000 Their tusks grow.

01:36:01.000 And their behavior changes.

01:36:03.000 They go feral.

01:36:04.000 And they go feral really quickly.

01:36:06.000 I think within, like, a couple of months, they start physical transformation.

01:36:11.000 I didn't know that.

01:36:12.000 Yeah.

01:36:13.000 They're a weird animal.

01:36:14.000 Like, wild boars and wild pigs.

01:36:16.000 Like, when you see a wild boar, like, dark hair, thick, scruffy.

01:36:19.000 And then you see a pig, like, at a farm.

01:36:22.000 Same species.

01:36:23.000 Same animal. 1.00

01:36:24.000 Which is fucking nuts. 0.99

01:36:27.000 It's all one genus. 0.99

01:36:28.000 It's called Sue Scroffa.

01:36:30.000 That's the type of animal it is.

01:36:31.000 And they can interbreed with each other.

01:36:33.000 They're the same thing.

01:36:35.000 And that's why when you go see wild pigs, like domestic pigs, they get loose and they become feral and then they start breeding in the wild. 0.78

01:36:43.000 They're black. 0.74

01:36:44.000 They have a thick, thick coat around where their neck area is because they fight. 0.98

01:36:49.000 And they tear each other apart.

01:36:51.000 So all around, like from their face down to like where their heart is on their chest, is this super thick, thick hide.

01:36:59.000 Like the thickest, like a shoe.

01:37:02.000 Like the bottom of a shoe.

01:37:03.000 It's incredible how thick it is.

01:37:05.000 So, people that hunt them, you have to be careful with bows and arrows that you don't hit them in that area.

01:37:10.000 Because if you have a weak bow and you're not pulling back a lot of weight with a really sharp arrow, it won't even go through them.

01:37:16.000 Do you use a bow?

01:37:17.000 Sometimes.

01:37:18.000 Yeah.

01:37:20.000 Man, I had no idea. 0.98

01:37:24.000 There's this girl, she works at this hat shop, and I walked in, and she's got this pet fucking pig, so I can just imagine that thing, like, getting loose for a couple of months, like, have you seen my... 0.99

01:37:38.000 Was it a pot-belly pig, one of those little ones? 0.99

01:37:42.000 Yeah, is that the same deal?

01:37:43.000 No, I don't think so. 0.99

01:37:44.000 I think pot-bellied pigs are like a chihuahua. 1.00

01:37:47.000 You know, a chihuahua, the reality of domestic dogs is that domestic dogs all share genetics with a wolf.

01:37:55.000 Which means somehow or another, we don't exactly know how they did it, but through selective breeding, a wolf became a chihuahua.

01:38:06.000 Yeah.

01:38:07.000 I was having this conversation with a buddy in Australia about how a chihuahua became a chihuahua.

01:38:18.000 What did he say?

01:38:19.000 Magic.

01:38:20.000 We didn't know.

01:38:20.000 Oh.

01:38:21.000 We were just like, that's how fucking crazy he's at. 0.98

01:38:23.000 Well, there's no clear map. 0.96

01:38:25.000 It's not like, you know, like a liger.

01:38:28.000 You know what a liger is?

01:38:29.000 Like a lion mates with a tiger and makes a liger.

01:38:31.000 Which is badass.

01:38:32.000 Yeah, pretty badass.

01:38:33.000 Well, they also, they're so big.

01:38:36.000 I think it's a male lion and a female tiger.

01:38:42.000 Or maybe a male tiger and a female lion.

01:38:44.000 But it has to be that specific combination.

01:38:46.000 And what happens is when that combination takes place, they don't receive the gene that regulates size.

01:38:53.000 So they keep growing.

01:38:56.000 Yeah.

01:38:58.000 They're sort of enormous.

01:38:59.000 They're way bigger than a lion and way bigger than a tiger.

01:39:02.000 Like, ligers are enormous. 1.00

01:39:04.000 They don't even seem real.

01:39:06.000 That's why they were Napoleon Dynamite's favorite animal.

01:39:09.000 Yeah.

01:39:10.000 Classic.

01:39:12.000 Classic, by the way.

01:39:13.000 But see, that makes sense, right?

01:39:14.000 A lion mates with a tiger.

01:39:16.000 You can see that they have similarities in their features.

01:39:18.000 Gotcha.

01:39:19.000 But chihuahuas... 0.92

01:39:21.000 and all domestic dogs we don't really know we there's a lot of speculation and they believe that wolves became friendly with people because we're feeding them and then they become more docile like there was a Radiolab podcast that talked about breeding foxes and within a decade they had killed they were breeding foxes and they would kill any fox that showed any sort of aggression or any and that there was trying to be dominant The growl at people,

01:39:48.000 any unfavorable characteristics, they killed them.

01:39:52.000 And within 10 years, the genes changed to the point where all the foxes had droopy ears.

01:39:59.000 Their jaws became less masculine.

01:40:02.000 They became smaller.

01:40:03.000 Their behavior completely changed.

01:40:05.000 They all became like a domestic pet.

01:40:06.000 Within 10 years, they literally became a different thing.

01:40:09.000 And so the thought is...

01:40:12.000 That this is what happened with wolves.

01:40:14.000 And that wolves being around campfires with people, like primitive, primitive people, like tens and 20,000, 40,000 years ago, that we slowly but surely started having relationships with these animals where they would protect us from the other wolves because we would feed them.

01:40:28.000 And so they would become more docile and more dependent upon us.

01:40:33.000 So they would give in.

01:40:36.000 They would be...

01:40:38.000 Submissive to us.

01:40:39.000 And so their ears started to flop like a dog's ear.

01:40:42.000 And, you know, they became less aggressive.

01:40:45.000 They would respond to people.

01:40:47.000 You could train them and teach them to hunt with you because they got a reward out of being a part of the community of people.

01:40:52.000 And then you would raise them from the time they were puppies, and they'd be even more inclined to go like that.

01:40:57.000 So someone would find wolf puppies and raise them so they would imprint on people and be even more likely to exhibit those behaviors.

01:41:03.000 Yeah, but what kind of people are you hanging out with to become a chihuahua?

01:41:07.000 laughter Gay folk. 0.99

01:41:10.000 Mostly.

01:41:11.000 Some Mexicans. 1.00

01:41:14.000 I think Chihuahuas are just, it's just like thousands of years of that shit. 1.00

01:41:21.000 You know, only selecting the smaller ones, only selecting the most docile, the most diminutive features. 0.99

01:41:29.000 It's a good question though.

01:41:31.000 You know, when you get freaky with it, the real argument Is that it's very similar, in fact, to human beings.

01:41:39.000 Human beings are the only animals that vary as much in their appearance as dogs.

01:41:45.000 Like you got Shaquille O'Neal and you got Bridget the Midget.

01:41:48.000 Those are both humans, right?

01:41:51.000 How is Bridget the Midget, or Brad Williams, how is anybody who's got dwarfism, how are they different than an English bulldog?

01:42:02.000 Right?

01:42:03.000 Yeah.

01:42:03.000 In a way, I mean, it's some sort of a strange change in the body.

01:42:08.000 And I don't mean this in any disrespectful way.

01:42:10.000 I'm just trying to be completely objective about the physical form of these people.

01:42:13.000 You know, I'm not saying that people purposely make dwarfs, but I'm saying that the physical characteristics, the differences in an English bulldog and a wolf And that's very, like, the difference between Carl Malone and Brad Williams.

01:42:28.000 I mean, those are both humans, and they both could impregnate the same woman.

01:42:33.000 Like, if a woman had a baby with Carl Malone, and then a woman had a baby with a dwarf, like, right afterwards, she still, I mean, she can get pregnant from both of them, and have a baby from both of them. 0.79

01:42:42.000 And potentially the same genetic characteristics could be passed down.

01:42:48.000 Less likely with the dwarf, but I mean, it's incredible when you think about the variation of human beings.

01:42:53.000 We can get a little tiny, like a 90-pound Asian lady, and then you can have Serena Williams, this super athlete with giant muscles and just ridiculous explosive ability. 1.00

01:43:05.000 Well, they're both female humans. 1.00

01:43:08.000 You know, it's sort of like a Golden Lab and a Rottweiler.

01:43:12.000 Those are both dogs, but they're massively different characteristics.

01:43:16.000 Right.

01:43:16.000 And that's why, like, really nutty conspiracy people believe that human beings are created by aliens, and that much in the same way that human beings engineered dogs and changed the shape and selectively bred them to the point where they became these little chihuahuas,

01:43:33.000 That's what aliens did with human beings.

01:43:35.000 They came down, they found some chimpanzees and some lower hominids and started injecting their DNA into them and slowly but surely created a series of different styles of human being. 0.92

01:43:47.000 I've heard this before.

01:43:49.000 But with the dog comparison, yeah.

01:43:55.000 Yeah, I don't know, man.

01:43:57.000 I don't know either.

01:43:58.000 I don't buy the...

01:44:00.000 The alien thing.

01:44:01.000 I think it's much more likely.

01:44:02.000 It was just different climates and different parts of the world that were isolated from each other.

01:44:08.000 That's what I think.

01:44:09.000 I think he's like...

01:44:13.000 Build bread, adapt to your situation.

01:44:15.000 Yeah, sure.

01:44:16.000 Yeah, no doubt, you know.

01:44:19.000 I mean, there's characteristics that animals exhibit that similar animals in other climates don't, like African elephants, for example.

01:44:28.000 They have enormous ears because it displaces heat.

01:44:31.000 Large surface areas displace heat better.

01:44:34.000 That's also why a lot of African men are very tall.

01:44:37.000 Very tall and long because it's easier to displace heat over a large surface area.

01:44:43.000 Right.

01:44:43.000 Yeah.

01:44:44.000 So, like, Asian elephants have different ears than African elephants do.

01:44:48.000 Right.

01:44:49.000 Woolly mammoths have much smaller ears because they were dealing with cold, cold climates. 1.00

01:44:53.000 Whereas elephants, you know, in Africa, when they're in the hot savannas, they have these giant ass fucking ears. 0.99

01:45:00.000 That makes sense. 0.98

01:45:01.000 I mean, speaking from myself, my personal experience, I'm definitely much better off in warmer climates than I am in the cold mountains.

01:45:09.000 Are you?

01:45:10.000 Yeah.

01:45:11.000 Do you feel it?

01:45:11.000 Can't do it, man.

01:45:12.000 Can't do it?

01:45:13.000 Can't do it.

01:45:14.000 Don't you get used to it, though?

01:45:16.000 I mean, no.

01:45:18.000 No?

01:45:18.000 No, no, no.

01:45:19.000 You just feel it in your bones.

01:45:20.000 Yeah.

01:45:21.000 I don't like it.

01:45:22.000 I'm like, I don't like this.

01:45:23.000 I need to get away from this.

01:45:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:45:27.000 If it's hot, I'm like, okay, it's cool.

01:45:29.000 I can have it.

01:45:30.000 But nah.

01:45:31.000 Cold is like...

01:45:33.000 Yeah.

01:45:36.000 Get away. 0.99

01:45:37.000 Well, also growing up in Austin where it gets hot as fuck. 0.99

01:45:40.000 Yeah, definitely. 0.98

01:45:42.000 So yeah, I did the New York thing.

01:45:45.000 Couldn't deal with the winners?

01:45:46.000 No, dude.

01:45:48.000 No. 0.78

01:45:51.000 Well, because I'm thinking about all the times where I busted ass and, you know, I was just like walking across the street and I step into what I think is snow and it's like underneath is like a foot of water and, you know, I'm just walking around and, 0.97

01:46:08.000 you know, I got one wet foot and I'm supposed to be going to some fucking event or something or go to dinner or do whatever. 0.96

01:46:15.000 I just, I can't, I can't do it. 0.96

01:46:20.000 I mean, I can, you know. 0.99

01:46:21.000 I don't want to sound like a pussy or anything, but I can't do it. 0.99

01:46:23.000 Well, you can, but you don't want to. 0.99

01:46:25.000 There it is.

01:46:26.000 I don't want to.

01:46:27.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:46:27.000 I fucking don't want to. 0.99

01:46:29.000 Why should you have to? 0.99

01:46:30.000 I don't.

01:46:31.000 That's why I'm here.

01:46:31.000 There's options.

01:46:32.000 Exactly.

01:46:33.000 Like, if the whole world was New York City, you could do it.

01:46:35.000 You could do it.

01:46:36.000 It's definitely better than not living.

01:46:38.000 No, that's true.

01:46:39.000 That's very true.

01:46:40.000 I could do it.

01:46:41.000 But you know that there's a better spot.

01:46:43.000 Right.

01:46:43.000 I could adapt.

01:46:44.000 If I didn't know any better, I could adapt.

01:46:46.000 But here you are in the best spot.

01:46:48.000 Exactly. 0.99

01:46:48.000 When it comes to weather, nobody can fuck with LA. That's true. 0.99

01:46:52.000 That's very true.

01:46:54.000 That's why there's so many of us.

01:46:56.000 That's why Jamie's here.

01:46:57.000 Look at him.

01:46:57.000 He's like, he's from Columbus, Ohio.

01:46:59.000 Really?

01:47:00.000 Yeah.

01:47:00.000 Columbus, Ohio gives New York City the eight out and the breaks as far as shittiness.

01:47:05.000 The what?

01:47:05.000 Wait, the what?

01:47:06.000 That's a pool term.

01:47:07.000 What'd you say?

01:47:08.000 It's a spot.

01:47:09.000 It's a spot.

01:47:11.000 Like if you were playing ten ball, you give someone the eight out and the breaks.

01:47:14.000 That means if they spot, if they win, they can win if they make the eight ball, the nine ball, or the ten ball.

01:47:20.000 And they could break every time.

01:47:22.000 That's eight out in the breaks.

01:47:23.000 That's a considerable handicap.

01:47:26.000 Gotcha.

01:47:26.000 I played pool a little bit, but I don't know.

01:47:29.000 I've been to Columbus before.

01:47:31.000 I've got this cool little venue I played at.

01:47:33.000 Columbus is great.

01:47:33.000 Yeah.

01:47:34.000 It's nice.

01:47:35.000 It's a great town.

01:47:37.000 They're cool people there, man.

01:47:38.000 It's a fun town.

01:47:40.000 I like Columbus a lot.

01:47:41.000 I haven't spent a lot of time there, but you definitely had a good time.

01:47:44.000 I haven't been there since I shot my special there in 2009. That's what dick I am. 0.98

01:47:49.000 Where was that? 0.99

01:47:50.000 Southern Theater?

01:47:51.000 Once at the Palace, I think.

01:47:54.000 That's right.

01:47:55.000 That's right.

01:47:56.000 Jamie knows my schedule better than me.

01:47:57.000 That's right when I started working with you. 0.98

01:47:58.000 That's ridiculous, Jamie. 0.98

01:48:00.000 How do you know this? 0.99

01:48:01.000 And I don't know this.

01:48:01.000 That was like 2011 or 2012, right?

01:48:04.000 2012?

01:48:05.000 Yeah.

01:48:05.000 Columbus is a cool town.

01:48:07.000 That's like my favorite town in Ohio.

01:48:13.000 Where else is there in Ohio?

01:48:15.000 Cleveland.

01:48:16.000 Cleveland's not bad.

01:48:17.000 Cleveland's fun.

01:48:18.000 Cincinnati's fun. 1.00

01:48:19.000 But Cincinnati, they bullshit you. 0.98

01:48:21.000 They have the Cincinnati airport in Kentucky. 0.99

01:48:23.000 I don't like that.

01:48:24.000 Why?

01:48:25.000 Because it's insecure.

01:48:27.000 The Kentucky people are insecure. 1.00

01:48:29.000 They should call it the fucking Kentucky airport because that's what it is, goddammit. 1.00

01:48:32.000 Don't let those Cincinnati assholes claim your city. 1.00

01:48:35.000 Wait, but how does that even... 1.00

01:48:36.000 Exactly.

01:48:37.000 The Cincinnati airport is actually in Kentucky.

01:48:39.000 But to get people to fly into Kentucky is problematic.

01:48:43.000 Because people have...

01:48:49.000 They have massive prejudice against Kentucky, man.

01:48:52.000 It just sounds like hillbillies, whereas Cincinnati is like WKRP. It's like Lonnie Anderson.

01:48:58.000 Everybody's having a good time.

01:49:00.000 Right.

01:49:01.000 Cincinnati sounds like a nice city, right? 0.98

01:49:04.000 Well, it's fucking right next door to Kentucky. 0.92

01:49:06.000 So close that you land in Kentucky, and then you drive to Cincinnati. 0.99

01:49:10.000 So they name the fucking Cincinnati airport this Kentucky airport. 0.97

01:49:15.000 That's pretty good. 0.99

01:49:16.000 That's a pretty good one.

01:49:18.000 Sneaky. 1.00

01:49:19.000 Sneaky motherfuckers. 1.00

01:49:21.000 They did it for people like us. 1.00

01:49:22.000 I'm never gonna go to Kentucky! 1.00

01:49:24.000 These motherfuckers got me! 1.00

01:49:26.000 I swore I'd never come in this place! 1.00

01:49:28.000 But, meanwhile, there's like Louisville, where everybody goes.

01:49:32.000 Like, it doesn't make any sense.

01:49:33.000 Yeah.

01:49:34.000 You know, the Kentucky Derby's in Louisville, right?

01:49:36.000 Yeah, see?

01:49:37.000 That's like a...

01:49:37.000 Everybody goes there.

01:49:39.000 But it's one of those quaint southern destinations, you know?

01:49:43.000 I like the word quaint.

01:49:44.000 Mmm, me too.

01:49:46.000 Yeah, I spent a little bit of time running around there.

01:49:50.000 I found the wildest crowds in that area.

01:49:57.000 Really?

01:49:57.000 For me, I think.

01:49:59.000 That's interesting.

01:50:00.000 I wonder why that is.

01:50:02.000 Booze, I think.

01:50:05.000 I mean, booze happens everywhere, but I feel like people really have a good time.

01:50:11.000 Well, when I started going on the road a lot in the 90s is when I really understood NASCAR. Like, I never got NASCAR. I'm like, who the fuck is watching this?

01:50:21.000 It's not that I didn't like car racing. 1.00

01:50:22.000 It's like, who the fuck is watching these people go around in a circle? 0.98

01:50:25.000 And then I would see how big it was. 0.99

01:50:27.000 I would read statistics. 1.00

01:50:28.000 I was like, bullshit. 1.00

01:50:29.000 These fucking statistics are all made up. 1.00

01:50:31.000 No one's watching this. 1.00

01:50:32.000 And then I did a radio station I want to say it was in Atlanta.

01:50:38.000 I don't remember where it was, but I remember it was in the South, and the guy was like, did you see the race this weekend? 0.96

01:50:43.000 Man, Dale Jr. is really fucking putting it to them. 0.87

01:50:47.000 I was like, what are you talking about? 0.99

01:50:48.000 And they're like, NASCAR! Tony Stewart!

01:50:51.000 And he starts naming all these people. 1.00

01:50:52.000 I'm like, I don't know who the fuck you're talking about. 0.99

01:50:54.000 And he was flabbergasted that I didn't know who these NASCAR people were, and that I didn't know who won the fucking Tala Cuscaloosa 555-60 race. 0.99

01:51:03.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:51:04.000 Or whatever the fuck name of the race it was. 1.00

01:51:06.000 He was flabbergasted. 0.99

01:51:08.000 And I was like, how many people know?

01:51:09.000 So then we had people call in that knew a lot about NASCAR while I was on the air.

01:51:13.000 I was like, you guys know a lot about NASCAR? How many people?

01:51:15.000 Oh, hell yeah! 0.83

01:51:16.000 We watch it every weekend!

01:51:17.000 And they're going crazy about NASCAR. I was like, oh, okay.

01:51:21.000 So this is a geographical, cultural thing that I'm just not privy to.

01:51:25.000 I just don't understand it.

01:51:27.000 Yeah.

01:51:29.000 We got a little bit of taste of that in Texas.

01:51:32.000 Kind of bled over a little bit.

01:51:33.000 But Austin has a Formula One race.

01:51:35.000 That's very new.

01:51:36.000 Oh, is it?

01:51:37.000 Yeah.

01:51:37.000 How old is that?

01:51:38.000 Well, I guess, I don't know.

01:51:41.000 New enough?

01:51:41.000 Yeah, a few years have passed, I guess.

01:51:44.000 But it's, yeah, the F1... That's the shit, man. 0.99

01:51:49.000 That's a different kind of racing. 0.99

01:51:50.000 That's my style of racing. 0.99

01:51:51.000 I love watching Formula One because it's turns and craziness and strategy and, you know, that seems like some crazy shit. 0.97

01:52:00.000 Yeah, I could get more into that. 0.98

01:52:01.000 But, yeah, I didn't know shit about NASCAR either. 0.91

01:52:06.000 Yeah. 0.80

01:52:07.000 But, you know, different thing.

01:52:09.000 That's definitely a cultural deal.

01:52:10.000 I was driving through, you know, Alabama and, you know, the South and everything.

01:52:17.000 There's, you know, tracks and everything, you know, for amateurs.

01:52:23.000 It's like a big culture, I guess.

01:52:26.000 Yeah.

01:52:26.000 It's a big deal for those folks.

01:52:28.000 And they say it all came out of souping up their cars for moonshine runs.

01:52:32.000 I can believe it.

01:52:34.000 Yeah.

01:52:35.000 Makes sense, right?

01:52:35.000 Get in, get out of there.

01:52:37.000 Yeah.

01:52:37.000 Get this money, get this exchange.

01:52:40.000 Which all came from the same thing that we're dealing with psychedelics.

01:52:45.000 Suppression.

01:52:46.000 Right.

01:52:46.000 I mean, suppression creates diamonds.

01:52:48.000 I mean, that's what created that kind of racing, is people trying to figure out a way to get the fuck away from cops.

01:52:54.000 So they made cars that drove faster, handled better, and they could just get away from cops.

01:52:58.000 That was the whole Dukes of Hazzard.

01:53:00.000 That's why they had the General Lee.

01:53:02.000 They weren't involved in races.

01:53:04.000 They were running away from cops.

01:53:05.000 Right. 1.00

01:53:06.000 They had some crazy, souped-up fucking... 1.00

01:53:07.000 That's why they couldn't have guns. 1.00

01:53:08.000 They always had bows and arrows.

01:53:09.000 Because the cops had taken their ability to have a firearm away.

01:53:12.000 When you're a felon in this country, you can't own a gun anymore.

01:53:15.000 Right.

01:53:17.000 I understand.

01:53:18.000 A little bit.

01:53:22.000 This podcast turned weird, right?

01:53:24.000 Yeah.

01:53:25.000 It was a weird one.

01:53:25.000 A little bit.

01:53:26.000 It was a good one, though, man.

01:53:27.000 Yeah.

01:53:30.000 So where are you performing next and how can people see you?

01:53:34.000 Where can they find out?

01:53:37.000 We're performing, doing something for the Grammys.

01:53:41.000 Oh, cool.

01:53:41.000 When was that?

01:53:42.000 The 15th, February.

01:53:45.000 Doing a tribute to the legendary B.B. King.

01:53:49.000 Beautiful.

01:53:50.000 With Chris Stapleton and Bonnie Raitt.

01:53:52.000 I wouldn't be doing what I was doing if it weren't for guys like B.B. King.

01:53:57.000 It'll be cool to be able to show them some love there.

01:54:00.000 And then we just hit the road, man.

01:54:01.000 We're going everywhere.

01:54:02.000 Your website?

01:54:03.000 Yeah, GaryClarkJr.com.

01:54:05.000 And you're active on Twitter.

01:54:07.000 I see you're on Twitter all the time.

01:54:08.000 A little bit.

01:54:09.000 A little bit?

01:54:09.000 I'm not as active as people say I should be.

01:54:12.000 When are you going to be in this area where I can come see you, man?

01:54:17.000 Where are we going to be?

01:54:21.000 Is there anything on there?

01:54:22.000 Does it say anything there about California?

01:54:24.000 Yeah, we'll be doing Coachella.

01:54:26.000 That's about it.

01:54:29.000 Last time we did three nights at the Fonda in December.

01:54:32.000 At the what?

01:54:33.000 At the Fonda.

01:54:35.000 Henry, where's that?

01:54:37.000 Hollywood.

01:54:38.000 Okay.

01:54:38.000 So yeah, we did that one.

01:54:40.000 I think we're not gonna be around here for a little while.

01:54:43.000 Well listen man, anything you got going on, anything.

01:54:46.000 If you ever want it promoted, you need any help tweeting it, come on here.

01:54:51.000 Anytime you want, you got an open invite.

01:54:53.000 Thanks man.

01:54:53.000 I'm happy you're in our town here.

01:54:55.000 Yeah.

01:54:56.000 And I hope you enjoy it and extend you as much hospitality as possible.

01:54:59.000 I appreciate it.

01:55:00.000 And I'm a big fan, man.

01:55:01.000 I love your music.

01:55:02.000 Thank you.

01:55:02.000 I was listening to it on the way over here, man.

01:55:04.000 I'll show you.

01:55:04.000 Check this show out.

01:55:05.000 Likewise, man.

01:55:05.000 I've been following you for a long time.

01:55:07.000 Bam! 0.98

01:55:08.000 Look at that.

01:55:08.000 There it is.

01:55:09.000 That's my playlist on the way over here, sir.

01:55:11.000 Appreciate it.

01:55:12.000 So, much love, sir, and respect.

01:55:15.000 Gary Clark Jr., ladies and gentlemen.

01:55:18.000 Yes, sir.

01:55:18.000 Yeah!

01:55:19.000 We'll be back tomorrow with Tom Papa.

01:55:21.000 See you soon.

01:55:21.000 Much love.

01:55:22.000 Bye-bye.

01:55:22.000 Big kiss.

The Joe Rogan Experience - February 08, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #757 - Gary Clark, Jr.

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