The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #813 - Shane Dorian

00:00:00.000 This is the first time Jamie's ever had a false start.

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00:00:05.000 That's real?

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00:00:07.000 Shane Dorian, how are you, brother?

00:00:09.000 What's going on?

00:00:09.000 I'm doing great, thanks.

00:00:10.000 Thanks for doing this, man.

00:00:11.000 I really appreciate it.

00:00:12.000 Yeah, no problem.

00:00:13.000 I'm happy to be here.

00:00:13.000 Thanks for having me.

00:00:14.000 My pleasure.

00:00:15.000 You know, you come highly recommended by my friend Ben O'Brien, who's an awesome dude.

00:00:20.000 And apparently you guys had a great time in New Zealand bow hunting.

00:00:23.000 Yeah, I love Ben.

00:00:24.000 He's very Texas.

00:00:26.000 Yeah, we had a really good old time down there.

00:00:28.000 You know, I'd never been to New Zealand for hunting before.

00:00:32.000 I'd been there for surfing.

00:00:33.000 So it was really cool to go and see different parts of the country and do some hunting out there and do some backcountry stuff.

00:00:38.000 Surfing there, is it as dangerous as surfing in Australia as far as sharks?

00:00:43.000 No, not as dangerous, I'd say.

00:00:45.000 There are sharks there.

00:00:47.000 It's pretty close to Australia.

00:00:48.000 It's only like a one-hour flight.

00:00:49.000 Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

00:00:50.000 Same sharks are over there, but I don't know.

00:00:52.000 I don't really think of sharks as much.

00:00:55.000 You have a total radical fear of sharks.

00:00:58.000 Fuck yeah! 0.99

00:01:00.000 It's awful.

00:01:01.000 They're scary, scary creatures, man.

00:01:04.000 I'm fucking horrified.

00:01:05.000 How close have you come to them?

00:01:06.000 You should be.

00:01:07.000 Very close.

00:01:10.000 Yeah.

00:01:11.000 I got bumped off my board when I was a kid.

00:01:13.000 Oh, no.

00:01:14.000 Surfing at a place.

00:01:16.000 You know, sort of near my house, but the water was, the sand was black.

00:01:20.000 So, like, I really couldn't, the water was actually clear, but the sand was black.

00:01:24.000 So it bumped me, and I never really got to see what it was, but I'm pretty sure it was a shark.

00:01:29.000 And there's a lot of sharks in Hawaii.

00:01:32.000 A lot of sharks, wherever the waves are good, it seems like there's a lot of sharks, man.

00:01:34.000 Yeah.

00:01:35.000 That's not a coincidence, is it?

00:01:37.000 I don't know, man.

00:01:38.000 They're just everywhere.

00:01:39.000 Yeah.

00:01:40.000 The crazy is, you know, it's funny about sharks is I was, I was, there's, you know, growing up, I always thought, you know, the only real sharks I had to worry about were, you know, great whites.

00:01:50.000 And, you know, I was born and raised in Hawaii.

00:01:52.000 That's where I grew up surfing.

00:01:53.000 And, you know, I always thought like great white sharks are always in like really cold places.

00:01:58.000 I don't really have to worry around home.

00:01:59.000 And, They've been finding a ton of great white sharks around where I live now.

00:02:04.000 They're all over Hawaii now.

00:02:06.000 Great white sharks are actually warm-blooded, so they can actually...

00:02:11.000 They can totally adjust their body temperature to be able to totally survive and thrive in warm water as well as cold.

00:02:20.000 So they just go wherever the hell they want.

00:02:23.000 Every time I go to Hawaii, whenever I turn on the local news, some dude got bit.

00:02:29.000 How often has it happened there?

00:02:31.000 Pretty often.

00:02:32.000 There's a lot of sharks.

00:02:33.000 And you know what's funny is it never used to happen when I was a kid.

00:02:35.000 It wasn't even really a thought for me.

00:02:37.000 I mean, I was scared of sharks and all that stuff, but people didn't really start getting chomped until I was a little bit older.

00:02:42.000 In the last 10 years, there's been tons and tons of shark attacks in Hawaii.

00:02:46.000 A friend of mine, Bethany Hamilton, she's a really, really talented surfer. 0.93

00:02:51.000 She got bit.

00:02:51.000 She got her arm chomped right off her body.

00:02:53.000 Oh, that girl. 1.00

00:02:54.000 That really young girl.

00:02:55.000 Yeah.

00:02:56.000 Yeah, in Kauai, surfing perfect waves out with her friend, and Char came up and just ripped her arm right off her body. 0.96

00:03:02.000 How gangster is she that she just gets right back on the board? 1.00

00:03:04.000 And she survived.

00:03:05.000 She's badass. 1.00

00:03:06.000 She's super badass. 1.00

00:03:07.000 She actually surfed some of the biggest waves all year last year.

00:03:11.000 She got towed into a place called Jaws on Maui and was surfing 50-foot waves with one arm, you know, getting pounded by giant waves, and she paddles into some huge waves with one arm.

00:03:21.000 Wow.

00:03:21.000 Yeah, and gets held underwater with one arm.

00:03:23.000 That's incredible.

00:03:24.000 Imagine getting held under from a giant wave.

00:03:30.000 Underwater.

00:03:30.000 I know people who are terrified of surfing big waves with two arms.

00:03:34.000 They're underwater wanting a breath and she's under there with one arm.

00:03:37.000 Imagine having your arm tied to your side and having to try and swim to the surface in big waves.

00:03:43.000 Pretty scary.

00:03:43.000 Now when you get hit by a big wave like that and you get sucked under, how long are you under normally for?

00:03:52.000 Uh, usually a pretty, pretty short amount of time, but it really varies.

00:03:56.000 Um, you know, the, the, the worst thing about surfing really big waves and the, we've had a lot of people die surfing big waves and it is super dangerous.

00:04:04.000 Um, the thing that kills people is getting held under for two waves.

00:04:08.000 So if you fall on a wave, like if you take off on a wave and you fall and you're underwater for a super long time, and this has happened to me a Really far.

00:04:17.000 And then you start, you know, the wave holds you under and is rolling you along the reef towards the shore.

00:04:23.000 And you're underwater near the bottom or at the bottom.

00:04:25.000 And then the wave just starts to dissipate and lose a little bit of power so you can finally start swimming up.

00:04:30.000 And then the next wave is, meanwhile, it's on its way.

00:04:32.000 And you're swimming up, swimming up, and the wave's coming at you.

00:04:35.000 And you don't get a breath and the wave takes you straight back down.

00:04:38.000 And that's how people die.

00:04:41.000 Yeah, it's scary shit.

00:04:42.000 How long have you been held under for?

00:04:45.000 Um, about a minute and ten seconds.

00:04:47.000 Boom! 0.99

00:04:48.000 It's a long time.

00:04:49.000 The only reason I know that is because I had a terrible wipeout at a big wave place in Northern California called Mavericks.

00:04:56.000 It was my first trip ever there, and I was having this awesome trip.

00:05:01.000 It's one of the best big waves in the world.

00:05:02.000 I always wanted to go there, but I was pretty scared of it, and I ended up going there.

00:05:06.000 The first day I was there was super good.

00:05:09.000 I had a blast.

00:05:10.000 I didn't fall once.

00:05:11.000 I just had a dream session.

00:05:12.000 Caught all these big waves.

00:05:13.000 Thought I was killing it.

00:05:15.000 Next day, it just absolutely smashed me.

00:05:17.000 I took off on a wave.

00:05:18.000 Ate shit down the face, got sucked over the falls, held under forever on the reef, and I was swimming towards the surface, and the next wave was like a 50-foot face, broke right on top of me, shoved me straight back down to the reef, and as I was swimming up to try and get a breath, I was doing those involuntary,

00:05:34.000 you know, when you're going...

00:05:37.000 Like that.

00:05:38.000 And I was like, shit, I gotta get a breath now.

00:05:40.000 And then all of a sudden I was at the bottom.

00:05:42.000 And yeah, it was really scary.

00:05:44.000 It was the scariest time of my life.

00:05:47.000 And meanwhile, there was a woman on a boat and she was filming the whole ordeal.

00:05:52.000 My board was like, they call it tombstoning, where you can only see half your board and there's a leash, right?

00:05:57.000 And you're connected to the bottom.

00:05:59.000 And the board was like this.

00:06:00.000 And you can only see half the board for like, and the next wave passed me by and my board was still like that.

00:06:05.000 For over a minute.

00:06:06.000 It was like a minute and 10 seconds.

00:06:08.000 It was way too long.

00:06:10.000 Wow.

00:06:12.000 It's hard to hold your breath for a minute just doing nothing.

00:06:15.000 Yeah, it is.

00:06:17.000 Holding your breath for a minute while you're struggling, and also your adrenaline's kicking in, you're freaking out, and you're realizing that you've got to get some air soon.

00:06:27.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:29.000 Yeah, and that's when, you know, I mean, that's...

00:06:31.000 The whole thing is, you know, learning about breath hold, the whole thing that speeds up your breath hold is...

00:06:40.000 I should say shortening your breath hold is panicking.

00:06:43.000 If you're able to stay calm and know that you're going to be okay, you don't use up your breath very fast.

00:06:50.000 But if you start to panic, it's like flooring the gas.

00:06:53.000 It just speeds up the whole thing.

00:06:56.000 So panicking is the last thing that you want to do, but when you're really terrified, that's what happens to everybody.

00:07:02.000 There's a big connection between jujitsu and surfing.

00:07:05.000 A lot of people that I know that love jujitsu also love surfing, and they do it all the time.

00:07:10.000 And that breath thing is something that comes into play in both situations, because if you're in a bad position, Like if someone's choking you or something like that, you can relax and stay calm and kind of barely get out of things.

00:07:24.000 Whereas if you freak out and you start hyperventilating or panicking, you just have to tap.

00:07:32.000 You run out of gas, you run out of air, and then the choke sinks in deeper.

00:07:35.000 Some people are just really good at surfing and for some reason that like Hicks and Gracie is a famous example He's really good at yoga, which is also really big for controlling your breath and staying calm and Regulating your heart rate and then he's also,

00:07:52.000 you know, obviously a master jiu-jitsu, but he loves surfing and I think in some way those things are kind of connected that you have to maintain some sort of control over your physical body and Yeah, for sure.

00:08:05.000 And I think knowing how long you can hold your breath, especially under pressure, especially with a high heart rate, is the key.

00:08:15.000 I did a breath-holding course.

00:08:18.000 It was actually specifically tailored to surviving big waves.

00:08:23.000 This course I did was four days long.

00:08:26.000 The first couple days, they just kind of taught us the science behind breath hold and how to get your breath hold up.

00:08:32.000 And then they basically worked our way up to our highest static hold.

00:08:37.000 And then from there, we had to hold our breath for a quarter of that time under stress.

00:08:43.000 So when you take a breath hold course, what are they teaching you?

00:08:48.000 Just the science behind how some people can hold their breath for a long time and some people can't.

00:08:54.000 And the difference between...

00:08:55.000 It's basically psychological.

00:08:58.000 It's all in your mind.

00:08:59.000 Really?

00:08:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:09:00.000 It definitely is.

00:09:01.000 I mean, if you think you can hold your breath for...

00:09:03.000 Like, if right now you try to hold your breath and you can only make it a minute, for sure you can hold your breath for three.

00:09:09.000 100%.

00:09:09.000 It's all in your mind.

00:09:10.000 If you believe that you're going to be fine, your body tells you that you need to breathe.

00:09:17.000 For that course, I think the first day I tried to hold my breath, And I'm in relatively good shape and I never ever practice holding my breath at all But you know, I've you know pretty good lung capacity because I I was training all the time, especially at that time The longest I could hold my breath the first day was like two minutes and 15 seconds or something like that And then by day the end of day three I was holding it for five minutes and 34 seconds.

00:09:39.000 Whoa Yeah, it's crazy.

00:09:41.000 So it's just techniques and understanding what is like the world record?

00:09:46.000 Wasn't it wasn't that fucking magician guy?

00:09:48.000 Didn't he break the world record?

00:09:50.000 He did like 17 minutes or something like that.

00:09:52.000 But didn't he do something weird where he sucked in pure oxygen or some cheating bullshit?

00:09:58.000 It's night and day.

00:09:59.000 Yeah, you can't do that.

00:10:00.000 I think it gives you like from what I think that's About twice as long as a world record holder can actually hold their breath.

00:10:11.000 I think he was packing oxygen.

00:10:12.000 It was totally different.

00:10:13.000 He was breathing up with pure oxygen for a long time.

00:10:16.000 It's basically like doubles your breath hold.

00:10:21.000 Yeah, there it goes.

00:10:22.000 17 minutes and 4.4 seconds.

00:10:24.000 It's badass.

00:10:25.000 It's pretty incredible, even with the oxygen.

00:10:28.000 Yeah, you know, I mean, no matter how you slice it, that's a long-ass time to not breathe.

00:10:34.000 So he held the record for oxygen-assisted static apnea.

00:10:38.000 That would be...

00:10:40.000 Yeah, holding your breath while breathing, after breathing, pure oxygen.

00:10:43.000 That would be super handy for my job.

00:10:46.000 Pure oxygen?

00:10:47.000 No, being able to hold your breath for 17 minutes.

00:10:50.000 Fuck yeah, man.

00:10:51.000 You'd be like, fuck these waves.

00:10:52.000 These waves ain't got shit on me.

00:10:53.000 Yeah, I'm just gonna swim to the bottom and kick it.

00:11:07.000 Oh, God.

00:11:22.000 And this stupid thing doesn't work at all.

00:11:25.000 It doesn't do anything.

00:11:25.000 But apparently it's this giant scam.

00:11:28.000 And there was this article about how people have spent all this money on this fake thing that doesn't even exist.

00:11:35.000 It's crazy what people will buy.

00:11:36.000 That's it right there.

00:11:36.000 It's absolutely nuts what people will actually buy.

00:11:38.000 This oxygen mask allows underwater breathing without oxygen tanks, but it's total bullshit.

00:11:44.000 So I don't understand where the money went or how it...

00:11:48.000 See if you can find an article of what the fuck went wrong.

00:11:51.000 Is it supposed to be like sucking oxygen out of the ocean?

00:11:54.000 Yeah!

00:11:54.000 How ridiculous is that?

00:11:56.000 People thought that they were fish.

00:11:57.000 Oh yeah, that's all you need is this thing.

00:11:59.000 You breathe in through those and you pull out through that, but it's a total scam.

00:12:04.000 And if you order in the next 59 seconds, we're going to throw a second one in for half the price.

00:12:09.000 I mean, it would be cool if someone could come up with something like that, but that's just not how it works.

00:12:14.000 It is bizarre, though, that there are things that breathe air out of the water.

00:12:18.000 They can find a way to suck air out of the water. 0.91

00:12:21.000 Like, life is very bizarre if you look at it that way.

00:12:24.000 Yeah.

00:12:25.000 Very bizarre.

00:12:26.000 And then you pull them onto the deck of the boat and they're like...

00:12:29.000 Yeah.

00:12:30.000 And then you put us underwater and it's the opposite.

00:12:33.000 We start panicking immediately.

00:12:35.000 Yeah.

00:12:35.000 So, the shark thing, did they attribute it to anything?

00:12:39.000 The reason why they've been biting more people lately?

00:12:43.000 Yeah, it's super debatable though.

00:12:44.000 Like a global warming type thing?

00:12:46.000 Yeah, there's all types of stuff like that.

00:12:48.000 There's a lot less fish than there used to be.

00:12:51.000 And then the other thing is, the thing I think is a huge component is in the 60s, if someone got bit, they would do a shark call.

00:12:58.000 People would get pissed, some little girl would get bit, and then all the fishing boats would go out and kill a ton of sharks. 0.98

00:13:04.000 And that's what happened in Hawaii.

00:13:06.000 I think in the 60s there was some shark attacks and there was a huge shark cult.

00:13:11.000 People would just go out and kill as many sharks as they could.

00:13:13.000 And so it decimated the shark populations in Hawaii.

00:13:17.000 And then they were protected in the 70s and 80s.

00:13:23.000 So now there's this mega shark population because they're protected.

00:13:26.000 You're not really supposed to kill sharks.

00:13:28.000 So there's an overabundance of big sharks.

00:13:32.000 I wonder if people would be the same if there was dragons.

00:13:35.000 Would we protect dragons?

00:13:37.000 We're retarded.

00:13:38.000 We really are retarded.

00:13:39.000 For sure we would.

00:13:40.000 100%.

00:13:41.000 Like, you're not going to wipe out the fucking sharks, folks.

00:13:43.000 Just relax.

00:13:45.000 Just kill them all around where people are.

00:13:48.000 Yeah, it's crazy that they figured out, like, you know, I mean, technology for every single thing, but they don't have some sort of, you know...

00:13:55.000 I was thinking it would be so, you know, like with...

00:13:58.000 In this day and age, like, we can do the craziest shit with technology.

00:14:01.000 Like, why can't they put buoys around a surf break with, like, some weird magnetic thing that shoots down to the bottom of the ocean at that, you know, where it's like 30 feet deep, you know, like a half mile out from the break, and then everyone can swim there, everyone can surf there, whatever the hell it is.

00:14:15.000 Like, how come they don't have that?

00:14:17.000 It seems so basic.

00:14:19.000 It does seem like something they could figure out how to do, like some sort of an electronic fence that keeps them out.

00:14:25.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:14:26.000 Like they have that for your dog.

00:14:28.000 Yeah.

00:14:28.000 You can put that in your yard and the dog can't go past it.

00:14:30.000 But it'll probably give you dick cancer. 1.00

00:14:32.000 You know, they'll probably find out.

00:14:33.000 Shark dick.

00:14:34.000 Yeah, all these surfers will start getting dick cancer. 1.00

00:14:37.000 And everybody will go, what the fuck?

00:14:38.000 It's the fence.

00:14:39.000 It's the fence.

00:14:40.000 Yeah, we can't put up the magnetic fence because all the sharks will get dick cancer and then... 0.87

00:14:48.000 Yeah, if sharks get dick cancer, then PETA will get upset at you. 1.00

00:14:51.000 It's game over.

00:14:51.000 Yeah, become a huge issue.

00:14:53.000 I'm not a fan of sharks.

00:14:54.000 I don't like them.

00:14:55.000 They scare the fuck out of me, and that's what's keeping me from surfing.

00:14:58.000 Because surfing looks like it's fucking awesome.

00:15:01.000 I see guys like you on those big waves.

00:15:03.000 I don't know about the big waves.

00:15:05.000 That's beyond me, I believe.

00:15:08.000 Even when I was young, I don't think I would ever...

00:15:11.000 Like, this kind of shit, that's not...

00:15:13.000 I'm not designed for that.

00:15:14.000 That's not fun-looking?

00:15:16.000 Nope.

00:15:17.000 That's not me.

00:15:18.000 We're looking at it for people who are listening.

00:15:20.000 We're looking at an image.

00:15:21.000 Is that you?

00:15:22.000 Who is that?

00:15:22.000 That's me.

00:15:23.000 Oh, Jesus, dude.

00:15:24.000 Tell me about this.

00:15:25.000 It looks like I'm falling off a building.

00:15:27.000 It looks like you're falling off several buildings stacked on top of each other.

00:15:31.000 I'll tell you what.

00:15:31.000 That actual moment right there, it actually felt like I was falling off a building.

00:15:36.000 It was a...

00:15:38.000 I was absolutely sure I was eating shit right there.

00:15:40.000 And you didn't?

00:15:41.000 I didn't.

00:15:42.000 Yeah, it was a miracle.

00:15:42.000 I actually fell from the top and landed on my board and made the wave.

00:15:45.000 Oh my god.

00:15:46.000 It was a big wave at a wave off the north coast of Maui called Jaws.

00:15:51.000 How high is that wave?

00:15:54.000 Probably 50 feet on the face, maybe more, maybe 60. So you're falling off the top of the wave, like it breaks, and you're coming over the lip?

00:16:05.000 Yeah.

00:16:05.000 What would you call it?

00:16:06.000 What do you call the edge of the wave like that?

00:16:08.000 Yeah, I'm falling from the lip.

00:16:11.000 But the cool thing is you're doing it with your hands.

00:16:12.000 You're doing it with your bare hands.

00:16:14.000 This wave comes in and you have to read the wave.

00:16:16.000 You have to time it.

00:16:17.000 You have to position yourself.

00:16:18.000 So you have to catch it in the steepest part right before it throws over like that because if it throws over, you're eating shit.

00:16:26.000 It's so precise to be able to time it on a giant wave like that.

00:16:30.000 Especially the bigger the wave is, the faster it moves.

00:16:32.000 So it gets really, really technical.

00:16:34.000 So if you successfully ride one of those waves, it's a lot of fun.

00:16:37.000 I would imagine it gets super addictive when you're in that tube and you're slicing through it and you see the water going over the top of you.

00:16:45.000 It is so much fun.

00:16:49.000 It's such a blast.

00:16:51.000 It's super addicting.

00:16:53.000 I've been surfing on a surfboard standing up since I was five.

00:16:57.000 On my fifth birthday I got a surfboard from my dad.

00:17:01.000 I'm still totally obsessed with it.

00:17:03.000 It's weird.

00:17:03.000 There's nothing else in my life like that where I'm absolutely psyched like when the waves are good I'm like a little kid still.

00:17:10.000 What is it about it?

00:17:12.000 Dude, it's like hunting.

00:17:14.000 It really is.

00:17:15.000 It's like I'm out in nature.

00:17:16.000 No one's bothering me.

00:17:17.000 I don't need to talk to anybody.

00:17:18.000 I can go do my own thing.

00:17:19.000 I can go down the beach no matter how shitty of a day I had, no matter how much stress, whatever.

00:17:24.000 Like if my kid's getting a bad report card or I had to pay my taxes or whatever the hell it was, I can just put on my trunks, drive down to the beach, grab my board, and I'm good.

00:17:32.000 As soon as I hit the water, I'm fine.

00:17:34.000 And that's how I am with bowhunting and people who don't Bowhunt, they don't understand that.

00:17:38.000 They're like, why the hell do you do that?

00:17:39.000 What do you find good about that, being out in the forest for days at a time?

00:17:45.000 It's the same thing.

00:17:46.000 Well, obviously I've never surfed, but the bowhunting thing is so difficult and so primal.

00:17:53.000 And I think it hits some weird ancient switches inside your DNA from back when people needed a bow and arrow to survive.

00:18:00.000 And when you were hunting an animal...

00:18:02.000 It's so primitive.

00:18:05.000 There's something about rifle hunting that's not nearly as satisfying.

00:18:08.000 Rifle hunting is all exciting, and it's way more effective, and you certainly have more success, and there's more range to it, but it's not nearly the same feeling.

00:18:19.000 There's a switch that goes off that I think is a part of being a human being from the thousands of years of us shooting bows and arrows at things to stay alive.

00:18:29.000 That reward is like triggered somehow or another deep inside whatever it is that makes you a person.

00:18:35.000 Yeah, it is.

00:18:36.000 I mean, it all comes down to the moment of truth.

00:18:40.000 You work so hard for that opportunity, whatever it is, an elk or a deer or whatever the hell it is, and you bust your ass and you're on your hands and knees in the hot sun.

00:18:48.000 You know, you're over there freezing your ass off in the dark waiting for it to get light and you pack all your shit from the trailhead for miles and all this hard work and all the thousands of arrows you shoot at your target and all of a sudden it comes down to this millisecond where the elk stops in front of you.

00:19:02.000 Yeah.

00:19:02.000 And you're sitting there full draw and it's like the moment of the truth, you know, and it's It's super technical and really difficult, and a lot of people suck at it, and that's why it's so rad.

00:19:11.000 Yeah, it's very technical, and that is something that I just never took into account when I saw people shooting bows and arrows.

00:19:17.000 I'm like, oh, your left arm straight, your right arm pulls back, you make sure you aim, you let it go, and it seems kind of like a rifle.

00:19:24.000 With a rifle, what do you do?

00:19:25.000 You center the reticle, you squeeze the trigger, make sure you don't jerk it, and you're good.

00:19:30.000 There's so much more involved in the anchoring of where the string hits the corner of your mouth, where your hand rests below your jaw, making sure that your elbow's not too low, not too high, your back muscles are pulling.

00:19:45.000 And remembering all that stuff in the moment.

00:19:47.000 Yeah.

00:19:48.000 And getting to full draw.

00:19:49.000 Yeah.

00:19:50.000 That is the hard part.

00:19:51.000 That's the big difference.

00:19:52.000 I mean, that's the main difference, is once that animal's in range, you still have to get to full draw.

00:19:58.000 Yeah.

00:19:58.000 You don't have a crossbow and you're not sitting there like this waiting without making any motion.

00:20:02.000 You actually have to go full draw and somehow do that undetected without the animal getting alert or freaked out or running away.

00:20:10.000 Yeah.

00:20:11.000 It's a crazy little addiction, isn't it?

00:20:14.000 It is.

00:20:14.000 It's very, very crazy.

00:20:17.000 My wife would agree with you.

00:20:19.000 Mine would too.

00:20:20.000 I was watching a video of you.

00:20:22.000 You were grilling some steaks, some, I think it was Axis deer, at your house. 0.96

00:20:27.000 And you were talking about it.

00:20:29.000 The connection that you have to your food.

00:20:32.000 You went and you found that animal.

00:20:35.000 You know that is a wild animal.

00:20:37.000 That animal was just living like they've been living for hundreds of thousands of years, just eating grasses and staying away from predators.

00:20:45.000 You snuck up on it and you place an arrow right in its vitals perfectly and cut it up and brought it home and now you're eating it.

00:20:52.000 And there's this insane connection to your food when you do something like that.

00:20:56.000 Yeah.

00:20:57.000 Well, especially when you look around, your family's eating it.

00:20:59.000 Yeah.

00:21:00.000 Like, I have little kids, and they're sitting there with deer on their fork.

00:21:03.000 Yeah.

00:21:03.000 And they're eating it.

00:21:04.000 Like, Dad brought this home.

00:21:05.000 It's awesome.

00:21:06.000 I think it's cool, you know?

00:21:07.000 Like, I don't know.

00:21:09.000 There's just something so much more satisfying about eating food that you grew or killed or whatever it was, you know?

00:21:15.000 I mean, it's so cool when someone has an awesome garden at their house that they busted their ass and they know exactly where that food came from.

00:21:23.000 It only touched their hands.

00:21:24.000 Yeah.

00:21:24.000 You know, it's the same thing.

00:21:26.000 Yeah.

00:21:26.000 It's even more so when you spend all that time in the mountains and you bring it home and you care for that meat, make sure it's not dirty, make sure it's not spoiled, make sure it's taken care of perfectly.

00:21:36.000 You go in my freezer and I'm actually kind of a slob in a lot of different areas of my life.

00:21:43.000 I don't make my bed a lot of times or whatever it is.

00:21:46.000 Now, when it comes to the meat, it's perfect.

00:21:48.000 Total nerd alert.

00:21:49.000 You go in and it's like everything's packaged perfectly.

00:21:51.000 Everything's a perfect size.

00:21:53.000 Everything's itemized, like cut, date, animal, species.

00:21:57.000 It's pretty fun.

00:21:58.000 Well, there's a deep respect for that animal that I don't think people who just buy their meat at a grocery store, I don't think they could ever understand it.

00:22:06.000 I think you can kind of intellectualize it and you can kind of imagine what it's like, but I don't think you could ever really understand it.

00:22:12.000 Well, and I can relate to that because I wasn't always a hunter.

00:22:14.000 I wasn't brought up a hunter.

00:22:17.000 I didn't come from a hunting family.

00:22:18.000 Nobody in my family ever hunted.

00:22:20.000 When did you start?

00:22:21.000 So it was all new to me.

00:22:22.000 I started when I was 30 and I'm 43. So what was it that got you going?

00:22:27.000 I moved from the beach where I lived my whole life up to the mountains and I bought a piece of property and everything I planted got dug up by wild pigs.

00:22:37.000 So there's wild boars all over the property and my wife started getting pissed and And I didn't know what to do.

00:22:43.000 I wanted to plant fruit trees and all this stuff and everything was getting knocked over and smashed by all the pigs.

00:22:47.000 And so my buddy was like, dude, shoot him with a gun and shoot a couple and they'll beat it.

00:22:52.000 And so he gave me this shotgun or whatever.

00:22:55.000 I shot him with a shotgun and immediately gave it back to him.

00:22:58.000 I was like, I'm not a gun guy.

00:22:59.000 I'm not into the loud noises and I just was over it.

00:23:03.000 So I gave it back and I didn't know what to do.

00:23:05.000 I didn't know if I needed to fence my property.

00:23:07.000 I didn't want to do that because I didn't want to mess up their natural...

00:23:10.000 I didn't have a pattern either.

00:23:11.000 They were there long before I was.

00:23:14.000 And my next door neighbor was a bow hunter.

00:23:18.000 He had an extra bow.

00:23:19.000 So I would go over to his house and have a couple beers and shoot arrows.

00:23:22.000 Once I could group some arrows, he said I was ready to go hunting.

00:23:25.000 And he took me boar hunting.

00:23:28.000 The first night, all these pigs were there, and I totally blew it.

00:23:32.000 I got to full draw, and my arrow fell off the rest, and ding, ding, ding, and they all ran.

00:23:37.000 I made a bunch of noise, but that was it.

00:23:39.000 The next day, I went and bought a used Matthews bow down at the, you know, like down at the bow shop, and I started...

00:23:47.000 Building tree stands by my house and, you know, trying to like throw bait down for the pigs to come.

00:23:51.000 I didn't know the hell I was doing.

00:23:53.000 I didn't know any bow hunters.

00:23:55.000 So it was cool.

00:23:56.000 So it's all like self-taught.

00:23:58.000 It was, yeah.

00:23:59.000 You know, I started with a good friend of mine at home at the same time.

00:24:02.000 I didn't really have any super close friends that were bow hunters.

00:24:05.000 But it's funny because soon after I started bow hunting, then I realized I did know a bunch of bow hunters.

00:24:10.000 And I immediately had a really cool circle of friends who were all experienced bow hunters.

00:24:14.000 And they kind of took me in and taught me what to do, what equipment to use, and how to hunt.

00:24:20.000 And then I had mentors in hunting that really taught me how to hunt, how to kill animals.

00:24:26.000 Well, Hawaii's an amazing place for bowhunting and a lot of people would never imagine it.

00:24:30.000 It is.

00:24:31.000 It's amazing.

00:24:31.000 Between Axis deer and mountain goats and all kinds of other crazy shit that you guys, and the pig population.

00:24:37.000 Pigs were brought over there like hundreds and hundreds of years ago, right?

00:24:42.000 Yeah.

00:24:42.000 It was a Captain Cook thing.

00:24:43.000 Was it?

00:24:44.000 Yeah.

00:24:44.000 Wow.

00:24:45.000 So there was really no animals in Hawaii.

00:24:49.000 Every single thing there is introduced except for bugs and some birds.

00:24:54.000 The deer, the pigs, the goats, the sheep, everything was all introduced.

00:24:58.000 You go out in the mountains and there's lots and lots of different animals out there and they're all introduced and they're all considered pests.

00:25:06.000 Wow, so it's a lot like New Zealand in that sort of a way.

00:25:09.000 It is.

00:25:10.000 New Zealand has an incredible amount of wild game, but it's all introduced.

00:25:14.000 And they did it back hundreds of years ago again when Europeans wanted it as a hunting destination. 0.79

00:25:20.000 So they brought over stags and European animals and Axis deer and all these things and just let them loose with no predators. 0.65

00:25:27.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:25:28.000 So their populations just exploded.

00:25:31.000 Yeah.

00:25:31.000 It's the same in Hawaii.

00:25:32.000 What is it like over in New Zealand?

00:25:34.000 Because when you look at the Lord of the Rings, that's all I know about New Zealand.

00:25:38.000 I know Kim.com lives there and the Lord of the Rings, and people go over there to hunt.

00:25:41.000 It's very much like that.

00:25:44.000 I hunted there this year, and we hunted in some places that I didn't even hunt.

00:25:48.000 All I did was take pictures and stare at the mountains.

00:25:51.000 It was mind-boggling how incredibly beautiful it was.

00:25:55.000 We were hunting these mountain goats called tar.

00:25:59.000 They're from the Himalayas.

00:26:01.000 They're these hairy goats with this big giant sable fur thing and really small horns and they live in like these glaciers and these like vertical cliffs.

00:26:10.000 Maybe like a thousand foot cliff at the top of like a five thousand foot mountain of like a granite cliff, like a little step ledge in it that's like six inches wide and that's where the tar would be standing, one tar. 0.73

00:26:21.000 Just be standing there all day long.

00:26:22.000 Look at that thing. 0.92

00:26:23.000 Yeah, they're badass creatures.

00:26:24.000 They really are.

00:26:24.000 It doesn't even look real.

00:26:25.000 Try and go kill one of those things with a bow on public land and send me the picture and I'll hail you forever.

00:26:30.000 They are hard to kill with a bow, I tell you that much.

00:26:33.000 Did you get one?

00:26:33.000 I didn't.

00:26:34.000 I saw one, I was with Remy, he's a friend of yours, right?

00:26:37.000 Yeah, Remy Warren?

00:26:38.000 Yeah, I was with Remy Warren and we spotted one and it's not like, you know, like where I come from, like you go hunt axis deer, you could see a thousand deer.

00:26:46.000 What?

00:26:47.000 In a morning, yes.

00:26:48.000 Where?

00:26:49.000 Mark my words, dude.

00:26:50.000 Where is this?

00:26:51.000 You're going to see them soon.

00:26:51.000 On Lanai.

00:26:52.000 Holy shit!

00:26:53.000 A thousand?

00:26:54.000 A thousand deer in a day.

00:26:55.000 Yeah.

00:26:56.000 That's insane.

00:26:57.000 So I'm used to going out and seeing like tons of pigs and goats and deer and stuff like that.

00:27:01.000 I went to New Zealand and hunted these tar and I'm standing there with Remy at the bottom of this valley and we're camping in the backcountry.

00:27:10.000 And we're glassing.

00:27:12.000 We don't see anything.

00:27:12.000 So we drive like half a mile.

00:27:14.000 And we're totally in the background.

00:27:17.000 We're driving straight up a river.

00:27:19.000 Deep in a river.

00:27:20.000 We've got one of those land cruisers with a snorkel.

00:27:24.000 It's not like these animals are under radical pressure.

00:27:29.000 All of a sudden we see one.

00:27:30.000 There's a tar.

00:27:31.000 And it's at the top of this mountain, 5,000 vertical feet.

00:27:35.000 Five miles, straight up hill.

00:27:37.000 Or one mile, right?

00:27:38.000 Well, I don't know, whatever the hell it was.

00:27:40.000 It's vertical.

00:27:41.000 It's vertical.

00:27:41.000 Right.

00:27:42.000 Yeah.

00:27:42.000 I mean, it's 5,000 vertical feet, but you're looking at it, and it looks like it's right there, but it's vert.

00:27:47.000 Right.

00:27:48.000 It takes you four hours to walk there.

00:27:50.000 Because it's vertical.

00:27:51.000 Yeah.

00:27:52.000 And, you know, we saw it probably, we saw it at like, I don't know, three in the afternoon and it got dark at like six.

00:27:59.000 So he's like, dude, we have three hours.

00:28:01.000 We need to close the gap.

00:28:03.000 We need to kill that tar today before dark.

00:28:06.000 So we're literally like, quote-unquote, running up the mountain as fast as you possibly could.

00:28:11.000 And he's in pretty good shape, Remy is.

00:28:13.000 He's a beast.

00:28:13.000 Yeah, he's a beast.

00:28:14.000 I mean, that's what he does.

00:28:15.000 He lives in the mountains all the time, so he's used to that.

00:28:17.000 Yeah, they did one of those VO2 max tests on him, and he's got like elite triathlon endurance.

00:28:23.000 Yeah, he's like half human, half tar. 0.68

00:28:25.000 Yeah.

00:28:25.000 And so he closed the gap to about, I don't know, 900 yards, and it got dark.

00:28:31.000 And then walked back down five hours in the dark.

00:28:34.000 Yeah.

00:28:35.000 Well, it's fucking exhausting.

00:28:37.000 You don't realize how hard it is to get up one of those mountains until you try it and you go, oh.

00:28:43.000 You think, I'm in good shape.

00:28:44.000 I work out.

00:28:45.000 I go to the gym.

00:28:45.000 I'm on the elliptical machine.

00:28:47.000 This is going to be no problem.

00:28:48.000 I'm not one of these fat guys.

00:28:50.000 Oh, yeah.

00:28:50.000 No.

00:28:51.000 It's fucking hard.

00:28:52.000 It's really hard.

00:28:53.000 Like, and it'll help, like, being light helps too.

00:28:57.000 Light and thin, where you're not carrying around a lot of weight.

00:29:00.000 Yeah.

00:29:00.000 But guys like Remy and Steve Rinella and the guys that do that all the time, they will embarrass you.

00:29:06.000 Yeah, they will.

00:29:07.000 With how out of shape you are just walking up hills.

00:29:10.000 You're just...

00:29:11.000 You're just keeping them at your rate.

00:29:14.000 It's like you're slowing them down all the time.

00:29:18.000 It does pay to train, especially in the mountains like that.

00:29:22.000 If you're going to go on a big hunt, it really helps to train a lot.

00:29:25.000 And now these animals, how the fuck...

00:29:27.000 I've seen goats on the side of cliffs where they're walking along a vertical face and they're standing on these little two-inch outcroppings.

00:29:37.000 Yeah.

00:29:37.000 And they're walking along on those.

00:29:39.000 Like, how the fuck do they do that?

00:29:40.000 Like, how are they designed?

00:29:42.000 Like, what kind of evolutionary advantage to, like, walking along the side of a cliff face like that has led them to be this bizarre beast?

00:29:52.000 Like, most people don't think about them.

00:29:54.000 Like, what their capabilities are.

00:29:56.000 They can do, like, really strange shit.

00:29:58.000 Like, as far as their balance and how they can make it up the side of a cliff.

00:30:02.000 Like, look at these fuckers.

00:30:03.000 Like, look at that.

00:30:04.000 That's exactly how the tar were, dude.

00:30:06.000 We're looking at something that just doesn't even look real.

00:30:09.000 We're looking at these goats that are walking along the face of this cliff, and the cliff is almost 90 degrees.

00:30:16.000 It's almost up and down.

00:30:17.000 And these things are somehow or another finding footholds where their whole body, like the side of their body, is slammed up against the side of the mountain, and they're making it up this cliff.

00:30:29.000 And they're not forced to be on that cliff.

00:30:32.000 That's the craziest thing.

00:30:32.000 When I was hunting those goats in New Zealand, those tar, just below where they were, there was these rolling hills, really steep still, but it was rolling hills with grass.

00:30:43.000 They choose to be on the rocks because they actually eat some weird stuff that grows...

00:30:48.000 On those vertical cliffs.

00:30:49.000 So wild.

00:30:50.000 What are they eating?

00:30:51.000 I was tripping balls the whole time.

00:30:52.000 I was like, you gotta be kidding me.

00:30:54.000 The animal's not forced to be there.

00:30:55.000 He's choosing to be on that six inch wide ledge, a thousand feet on a vertical cliff.

00:31:01.000 Look at that fucking...

00:31:02.000 We're looking at this picture, folks.

00:31:03.000 Jamie, what was the Google search if someone's listening?

00:31:06.000 Just like climbing goat.

00:31:10.000 This picture that we're looking at now, there's probably like eight of them.

00:31:15.000 And they're on the side of this mountain and it just doesn't even look real.

00:31:19.000 And the tar, they don't look real as it is.

00:31:22.000 They look like some sort of a mythical creature from some ancient Greek novel.

00:31:27.000 I do.

00:31:28.000 It's really hard to appreciate how hardcore that kind of hunting is unless you do it.

00:31:36.000 I'm going to piss people off when I say this, but 98% of the hunting that happens in America is like, park your truck, walk to your tree stand, get in the tree stand, play...

00:31:49.000 We play words with friends until the deer comes underneath the tree stand, get the full draw, and, you know, you got your tag filled, which is great.

00:31:58.000 I'm sure it's a blast.

00:31:59.000 And I like tree stands and all that stuff.

00:32:01.000 But that kind of hunting is just like, it's weird how hunting is clumped in to like, oh, you're a hunter.

00:32:07.000 And that's all people sort of need to know.

00:32:09.000 You know, there's like so many different kinds of hunting and so many different ways to do it, different weapons, different approaches, different, you know, it's like crazy.

00:32:15.000 Like some people are shooting animals at, you know, 1500 yards with high-powered rifles.

00:32:21.000 They want to be as far as possible.

00:32:23.000 That's the goal.

00:32:24.000 And for us, it's like we want to be as close as possible.

00:32:27.000 That long-range stuff is very strange because there's a lot of ethical questions that come up with that.

00:32:34.000 Because any movement whatsoever at 1,500 yards, I mean, you have to be like a real fucking expert marksman to pull something like that off.

00:32:43.000 So there's a lot of dickwagon going on when you're killing something at like 700, 800, 1,000 yards.

00:32:50.000 It's weird.

00:32:51.000 It's like you don't really have to do that.

00:32:53.000 Like you could get closer to that animal.

00:32:55.000 I think that's the goal, though.

00:32:56.000 Anybody can get to 200 yards from any animal.

00:33:01.000 I don't care what animal it is.

00:33:03.000 If you can't get to 200 yards, you've got major problems.

00:33:05.000 If you can't get to 100 yards, even from an antelope, you can belly crawl your way in the middle of nowhere to 100 yards from an antelope.

00:33:14.000 Yeah, especially if you have one of those ghillie suits. 0.97

00:33:16.000 You know, Remy has this show called...

00:33:18.000 He just moves super slow.

00:33:19.000 Yeah.

00:33:20.000 Have you seen Remy's show?

00:33:21.000 It's called Apex Predator.

00:33:22.000 I haven't seen that one, no.

00:33:23.000 It's a really good show.

00:33:24.000 And it's really interesting because Remy, you know, Remy's a really good athlete and he's also just a really smart guy.

00:33:30.000 And what he does is he tries to mimic all of the behavior of predatory animals, like wolves, and he'll do, like, him and a bunch of his friends were doing some sort of, like, a chase the same way that a wolf would chase down an elk.

00:33:45.000 Yeah.

00:33:45.000 And one of the things that he did was he put on a ghillie suit and he crawled up to these antelope and just slowly creeped his way up to these antelope.

00:33:54.000 And as long as you're patient and you move slow, like, he got within, like, seven feet of fucking antelope.

00:34:00.000 As long as you go slow enough.

00:34:01.000 Yeah.

00:34:02.000 And that's a mistake I make all the time.

00:34:05.000 You know, when I blow a stock?

00:34:06.000 It's almost always because I went too fast.

00:34:08.000 Yeah.

00:34:09.000 No matter how slow you go, you should almost always go slower.

00:34:12.000 Well, one of the things that I found out recently, you know who Randy Ulmer is?

00:34:15.000 Yeah.

00:34:15.000 Famous bow hunter.

00:34:16.000 Yeah.

00:34:17.000 He's probably one of the most successful bow hunters ever.

00:34:19.000 He shoots most of his animals with no shoes on.

00:34:22.000 Is he?

00:34:23.000 Yeah.

00:34:23.000 He takes his boots off and he's got just thick wool socks and he just walks.

00:34:28.000 He just crrrr.

00:34:29.000 Oh, yeah.

00:34:31.000 Nice and slow.

00:34:33.000 And that's one of the reasons why he's so successful.

00:34:35.000 He realized like, okay, you can't just be walking around with these fucking clunky boots and snapping twigs and shit like that.

00:34:40.000 And so he feels everything underneath him.

00:34:43.000 And it's just like, have you ever been around a bear, like when a bear is walking through the woods?

00:34:48.000 No, not really.

00:34:49.000 They don't make any noise.

00:34:50.000 It's kind of creepy.

00:34:51.000 Like, there's this big-ass fucking 300-pound bear, and it's not making a single sound as it's walking, because they have soft pads, and they're predators.

00:34:59.000 So they're just fucking creeping.

00:35:03.000 You know, and that's kind of like the idea of the approach.

00:35:06.000 Just creep inch by inch.

00:35:10.000 Bears blow my mind, too, because, you know...

00:35:14.000 I'm from Hawaii, so I don't know anything about bears.

00:35:18.000 So I think they're all like yogi bear.

00:35:20.000 They're coming to grab your jam and hang out and camp with you.

00:35:25.000 They want a hug or something like that.

00:35:28.000 I went hunting.

00:35:29.000 I did a do-it-yourself, over-the-counter tag elk hunt with my buddy from Hawaii.

00:35:33.000 We were in Colorado.

00:35:35.000 And we hiked into this area and we're all excited.

00:35:38.000 We didn't know shit about elk hunting.

00:35:40.000 I didn't know how to call them.

00:35:41.000 I didn't know what they did.

00:35:42.000 I didn't know how they worked.

00:35:43.000 I read some articles.

00:35:45.000 I didn't know what the hell was going on.

00:35:47.000 And so we drop off our stuff and we've got about an hour to hunt and then we're going to come back and set up our little camp there at like a creek.

00:35:53.000 So I do a big loop.

00:35:55.000 I come back a little bit early.

00:35:56.000 I'm like, I'm going to set up my tent and stuff.

00:35:58.000 And I get to one side of the creek and my friend's across the creek setting up his tent and getting our food out, like salami and whatever else kind of food we had.

00:36:08.000 And I was just about to like yell out to him like, hey, did you see anything?

00:36:11.000 I was like maybe 60 yards away from him.

00:36:13.000 And I looked to my left and there's a bear, a big bear, big black bear, standing on his hind legs.

00:36:19.000 It looked like one of those targets, you know, those big old targets you shoot.

00:36:22.000 One of those things.

00:36:23.000 And he was just staring at my friend.

00:36:24.000 He had no idea I was there.

00:36:26.000 The bear didn't know I was there.

00:36:27.000 And my friend had no idea the bear was there.

00:36:29.000 He's sitting there like butt crack hanging out, like getting all the food out and this bear just staring at him from across the creek.

00:36:35.000 Oof.

00:36:35.000 It was radical.

00:36:36.000 And I just immediately knocked an arrow and just like sat there.

00:36:40.000 And then the bear saw me and then looked at my friend, looked at me, looked at my friend.

00:36:44.000 And then it was this vertical mountain right behind him.

00:36:47.000 We were at the bottom of this creek.

00:36:48.000 And the bear thought about it and then just turned around and just hightailed it straight up this mountain like he was on the flat ground.

00:36:54.000 It was crazy.

00:36:55.000 And my friend never even saw him.

00:36:57.000 Yeah, that story that you were telling before the podcast started, tell that fucking story.

00:37:03.000 Yeah, that made me really even more scared of bears.

00:37:06.000 Yeah, tell that story.

00:37:08.000 Yeah, so it was a few years ago.

00:37:10.000 I read this...

00:37:12.000 I read this story on a bow hunting magazine, and it was a story about this guy and his son, and they were hunting elk.

00:37:18.000 I'm not sure which state, but the son was in the front, and he was set up, and the dad was in the back, probably 60 yards back, and the dad was cow calling, and there was a bull there, and he was starting to come into the call.

00:37:31.000 And so the kid was standing there waiting for his shot, and the dad was sitting there cow calling behind him.

00:37:36.000 And all of a sudden, the elk runs off, and they thought the wind had waffled on them or something.

00:37:42.000 And right behind the elk, like 50 yards past the elk, was a giant grizzly bear standing straight up, staring at him.

00:37:49.000 And the kid started getting nervous.

00:37:51.000 The bear started hightailing it straight at the kid. 1.00

00:37:54.000 And the kid turned and started running at the dad.

00:37:57.000 And as the kid and the dad went to full draw, he had a bow.

00:38:01.000 It was archery season.

00:38:02.000 He had no gun.

00:38:03.000 So the dad grabbed his bow, got an arrow on, Somehow had the clarity to get to full draw.

00:38:10.000 As the kid passed his dad, the dad made a perfect shot on the bear.

00:38:15.000 The bear right then catches up to the kid, dives on the kid, and starts mauling him and ends up dying on the kid.

00:38:22.000 And there was a picture in the article, it was incredible, there's a picture in the magazine of the kid and he's covered, covered head to toe in blood.

00:38:30.000 The bear died on him, like a heart shot, blood all over him.

00:38:34.000 So the kid had like, bear blood.

00:38:36.000 Is that the photo?

00:38:37.000 Oh my god!

00:38:38.000 It's so gnarly!

00:38:39.000 Oh my god!

00:38:41.000 What is, um, how do you find this Jamie, if somebody wants to?

00:38:44.000 It's called Dad Zero Saves Son from Grizzly Attack in Outdoor Life.

00:38:49.000 It's a heavy article, man.

00:38:51.000 It's no joke.

00:38:52.000 And the perspective from the dad.

00:38:54.000 Can you imagine?

00:38:55.000 I have kids and I can't even imagine what kind of mental state you'd be in if you saw a giant bear chasing after your kid.

00:39:04.000 That dad's a bad motherfucker.

00:39:05.000 To keep it together?

00:39:06.000 Yeah.

00:39:08.000 That gives me the nerves, the jillies, whatever the fuck it is.

00:39:11.000 My goosebumps are popping up.

00:39:13.000 I saw a grizzly when I was in Alberta, black bear hunting a couple weeks ago.

00:39:17.000 They look at you so different, man.

00:39:20.000 Black bears are creepy enough, you know?

00:39:23.000 And Ranella was telling me a story about this guy who, first trip, Screw that.

00:39:39.000 A bear tries to eat him and his friend shoots him.

00:39:49.000 They killed the bear.

00:39:50.000 They wound up killing the bear.

00:39:51.000 Black bears are scary, but they're nothing like grizzlies.

00:39:54.000 This grizzly looked at us, and they look at you like demons. 1.00

00:39:58.000 They have a total different look in their eye.

00:40:00.000 There's nothing going on back there.

00:40:03.000 It's just dead kill machine.

00:40:05.000 They don't feel bad when they eat you.

00:40:07.000 They're eating your guts.

00:40:09.000 They're just like, mmm, this is super delicious right now.

00:40:11.000 Oh yeah, you could be screaming.

00:40:13.000 This is great.

00:40:13.000 Yeah.

00:40:16.000 People are so strange, our detachment from wildlife, that when you're actually around them, even just around an elk, like, when you're around an elk and elk are calling and they're making those crazy sounds, you're like, what the fuck?

00:40:26.000 Is this real?

00:40:27.000 It's crazy when they're fighting, too, over the girls.

00:40:30.000 Yeah.

00:40:31.000 That blows my mind.

00:40:33.000 Hunting deer or elk in the rut and seeing them fight over the girls is the best. 0.91

00:40:37.000 It's the best.

00:40:38.000 And seeing the one that loses gets his ass kicked and he kind of just walks off like, oh god, I just got my ass kicked.

00:40:44.000 And then the bull or the big dog who wins, he's on.

00:40:48.000 That's his whole harem. 0.93

00:40:49.000 His whole harem full of girls. 0.99

00:40:51.000 And he's just like, I'm the badass.

00:40:52.000 And he just gets his fuck on.

00:40:54.000 Yeah.

00:40:55.000 And you gotta breed them all, you know? 0.92

00:40:57.000 I was in California at Tahone Ranch last year, and these two huge elk were smashing horns.

00:41:03.000 They were both like 360-class elk, which is like, for people listening, just enormous antlers, six points on each side, thousand-pound animals just running at each other.

00:41:15.000 Head-butting each other and stabbing each other.

00:41:17.000 And while we were there, they found one enormous bull that had been killed by another bull.

00:41:23.000 Been stabbed in the side and punctured his lungs and was just laying there.

00:41:29.000 Jacked.

00:41:30.000 Enormous bull.

00:41:31.000 Yeah, it's the coolest.

00:41:32.000 It's the coolest.

00:41:33.000 Just seeing them act like how they're supposed to be in nature, how they've been doing it for hundreds of thousands, millions of years.

00:41:40.000 It's just nuts.

00:41:41.000 Just to be a part of that and see it.

00:41:42.000 Yeah, it is.

00:41:43.000 And it's almost like when we were talking about the goats being able to walk up the side of these cliffs.

00:41:47.000 These animals, they've evolved to develop horns that are swords.

00:41:52.000 They have spears growing out of their fucking head.

00:41:55.000 And they know it.

00:41:56.000 Yeah.

00:41:57.000 They're well aware of that.

00:41:58.000 And they're trying to kill the other one because they're so hopped up.

00:42:01.000 And they were just hanging with that guy a few weeks ago.

00:42:05.000 They were hanging out feeding out in the grass.

00:42:08.000 And they'll hang out with him again if he survives.

00:42:09.000 They will.

00:42:09.000 They'll hang out, but not right then.

00:42:11.000 They make these bachelor groups.

00:42:12.000 They get pissed.

00:42:13.000 Did you see that video of the lady in Yellowstone that was like, Hello, elk. 0.84

00:42:17.000 No.

00:42:18.000 Hello.

00:42:18.000 No.

00:42:19.000 Hello, my friend.

00:42:20.000 I'm your buddy.

00:42:21.000 Oh, man.

00:42:21.000 And this elk just fucking headbutts this bitch and sends her flying.

00:42:25.000 Are you serious?

00:42:26.000 She went flying.

00:42:27.000 Wow.

00:42:28.000 Yeah.

00:42:28.000 How was that Grizzly Man movie?

00:42:29.000 Did you see that thing?

00:42:30.000 It's awesome.

00:42:31.000 Yeah, it's awesome.

00:42:31.000 I've seen it about ten times.

00:42:32.000 If you don't see that, you're tripping.

00:42:34.000 That's so good.

00:42:35.000 I'm trying to get Werner Herzog to...

00:42:38.000 His people contacted me, the director of it, to be on the podcast.

00:42:42.000 Look at this.

00:42:43.000 She's like, hello.

00:42:44.000 That shit's almost like a comedy.

00:42:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:42:47.000 When I watched that Grizzly Man movie, I felt like it was a comedy.

00:42:50.000 The guy's warning her.

00:42:52.000 Oh, oh.

00:42:54.000 Boom! 0.99

00:42:54.000 Yes! 0.99

00:42:55.000 Did you get that on video?

00:42:56.000 Yes!

00:42:57.000 He goes, did you get that on video?

00:43:00.000 That shit's gonna go viral, honey.

00:43:02.000 Listen to her.

00:43:02.000 I was just gonna tell you, you're too close to that elf, and that's why.

00:43:08.000 25 yards, ma'am. 1.00

00:43:12.000 It's been a long time.

00:43:14.000 Thank you, sir.

00:43:15.000 I'm totally used to these elk.

00:43:17.000 I'm out here every year.

00:43:19.000 It's 25 yards.

00:43:21.000 It's funny.

00:43:21.000 He's got like a number in his head that you have to be 25 yards from them.

00:43:25.000 Yeah, and then you're totally safe.

00:43:26.000 Yeah.

00:43:26.000 You're good.

00:43:27.000 No problem.

00:43:27.000 You're super safe.

00:43:28.000 Please, if they decide 50 yards to make a mad dash you, he's got a boner and this chick got scared off and he decides it's you that scared off and just go spear you. 1.00

00:43:37.000 They have no problem.

00:43:38.000 Do you see the one where there's a guy sitting on the side of the road as a photographer?

00:43:41.000 There's a real recent one, and they actually wind up euthanizing the elk, because this elk fucked with this dude for like, the video's like 10 minutes long.

00:43:51.000 The elk's just like headbutting this guy, and the guy's sitting there, trying to cover his head as a spike, a really young bull.

00:43:58.000 And this photographer's just hanging there, and this bull starts headbutting him.

00:44:04.000 And the guys just decided to just play passive.

00:44:07.000 This is it?

00:44:08.000 Yeah.

00:44:09.000 But this goes on forever, man.

00:44:11.000 And this bull just kind of...

00:44:14.000 Wow.

00:44:14.000 It's not sure what to do because he's a really young bull.

00:44:16.000 You're looking at that bull.

00:44:17.000 A spike is like, what, a year old?

00:44:19.000 It's funny how they get so smart so quick.

00:44:22.000 You know, it's like at that age when it's like a yearling bull, like a little spike, they're pretty stupid.

00:44:29.000 You know, they come to any call, and they're kind of spaced out.

00:44:31.000 They don't really know what a human looks like.

00:44:33.000 But man, once they turn into, like, 6x6, they are not dumb.

00:44:37.000 Yeah, they get turned on.

00:44:38.000 But, like, this elk, I think I could kill that elk on my hands.

00:44:41.000 Yeah?

00:44:42.000 I'd like to see you try.

00:44:44.000 I'm pretty sure I could get ahold of those antlers, I spin around, take his back.

00:44:47.000 Yeah.

00:44:49.000 Rear naked choke.

00:44:50.000 That's what I'm thinking.

00:44:52.000 I'm thinking I'd get his back and he's fucking done, man.

00:44:55.000 It'd be fun to try, for sure.

00:44:56.000 Meanwhile, he would ride off with me.

00:45:02.000 He would load up the barbecue.

00:45:04.000 He'd fill your freezer.

00:45:05.000 Oh, yeah.

00:45:06.000 Well, those are the most delicious ones.

00:45:07.000 If you actually can kill one that's really young like that, they're really tender.

00:45:11.000 The same with deer.

00:45:13.000 Everybody wants to shoot.

00:45:15.000 But that's the thing about elk.

00:45:16.000 They're so delicious that even the old ones, the old tough bulls, they taste amazing.

00:45:21.000 It's the best meat you can eat.

00:45:23.000 It's funny because I feel super remorseful when I get an animal on the ground, no matter what it is.

00:45:28.000 No matter if it's an elk or a deer or a pig or whatever, I get this weird feeling when I walk up.

00:45:33.000 I don't feel bad.

00:45:35.000 I just feel like...

00:45:37.000 Just as heavy connection with that animal.

00:45:39.000 I took its life.

00:45:40.000 That was my choice.

00:45:41.000 I could have let it walk.

00:45:43.000 But at the same time, if it's a younger deer, I'll smoke it.

00:45:48.000 Because those are really good eating.

00:45:50.000 And that's what I'm trying to do.

00:45:51.000 I'm out there trying to...

00:45:51.000 It's funny, I don't have a list of animals in my head that I need to get.

00:45:57.000 Are you one of those guys where you're like, I need to kill a mountain goat.

00:46:00.000 I need to get a stone sheep.

00:46:01.000 I need to get a zebra. 0.50

00:46:02.000 No, I find that weird, man.

00:46:04.000 There's a show that I watch.

00:46:06.000 You ever seen that Tom Miranda's Adventure Bowhunter show?

00:46:10.000 I don't have television, dude.

00:46:10.000 I'm like a Wookiee in the mountains.

00:46:11.000 You don't have a TV? I don't have TV. Wow.

00:46:13.000 I got like Netflix on my computer.

00:46:15.000 There's a lot of these guys that are into the super slams, you know, which means they're all the North American game animals.

00:46:22.000 That just seems like a fetish to me.

00:46:25.000 It gets real bizarre.

00:46:26.000 I think you're losing sight of what this thing is supposed to be all about.

00:46:31.000 Yeah, I'm totally fine with however anyone, you know, if someone's into getting lions or whatever, that's their trip.

00:46:37.000 You know, I'm not going to judge them, but I'm just, that's not me.

00:46:41.000 I don't have a list of animals at all.

00:46:43.000 If I just hunted mule deer and elk for the rest of my life and axis deer, I'd be good.

00:46:49.000 I could hunt all year long and never get bored with those three animals.

00:46:52.000 I feel weird about bears.

00:46:54.000 Bears are the ones that weird me out the most.

00:46:56.000 Like, killing a bear and eating it.

00:46:58.000 First of all, It's really like one of the best animals, like from a conservation standpoint, it's one of the best animals to kill because they don't have any predators.

00:47:06.000 And so if you don't kill them, well, the only thing that kills bears is other bears.

00:47:11.000 So where we hunt in Alberta, there's a giant population.

00:47:16.000 I mean, it's not uncommon to see 20, 30 bears in a day.

00:47:19.000 It's really, really overflowing with bears.

00:47:22.000 Is it a public service to get...

00:47:23.000 Yeah.

00:47:23.000 Like, it'd take a few bears.

00:47:24.000 Well, it decimates not just the moose population, the deer population, but the crazy thing is, it's bad for the bear population for there to be this many bears, because the boars eat cubs.

00:47:35.000 Like, they're a weird animal.

00:47:37.000 Like, elk don't eat elk, but bears, like, they're predatory, man.

00:47:41.000 They just go for an easy meal.

00:47:42.000 There was an article recently that I posted today on Twitter that they're finding that grizzlies are going towards people when they have cubs.

00:47:50.000 And it's super fucking dangerous.

00:47:51.000 But the mama bears are realizing that when they're around people that the big boars won't kill their cubs as much.

00:47:59.000 So here it is.

00:48:00.000 Brown bears are using human shields to protect their cubs.

00:48:03.000 But it's incredibly dangerous for people because when you're around a mama bear and she's got cubs, she'll fuck you up, man.

00:48:12.000 Yeah, you don't want to get near one of those.

00:48:15.000 There's another one that I retweeted yesterday.

00:48:17.000 Some woman who was in a marathon. 1.00

00:48:19.000 She was running a marathon in New Mexico.

00:48:22.000 And she ran past a mama bear with her cubs. 0.76

00:48:24.000 And the mama bear just decided to fuck her up. 1.00

00:48:27.000 Just beat the shit out of her.

00:48:28.000 Cut her up.

00:48:29.000 Ripped her apart.

00:48:30.000 And she just played dead. 0.95

00:48:31.000 And she's really jacked.

00:48:34.000 And there's a picture of her all scarred up.

00:48:35.000 And the bear left her alone.

00:48:37.000 And then some other marathon runners came over and saw her.

00:48:40.000 Huddled up in the fetal position all fucking covered in blood.

00:48:44.000 That's a life-changer right there.

00:48:46.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:47.000 How's the meat?

00:48:49.000 Bear meat is really good.

00:48:50.000 It's really good.

00:48:51.000 Yeah.

00:48:51.000 Yeah, there's a lot of misconceptions about bear meat.

00:48:53.000 Well, apparently grizzlies are nasty. 0.68

00:48:55.000 Yeah.

00:48:56.000 Especially if you get a coastal grizzly that's eating salmon all the time.

00:48:59.000 And there's a difference between fall bears and spring bears, right?

00:49:01.000 Yes.

00:49:01.000 Like the taste of them.

00:49:02.000 I heard the...

00:49:03.000 I forget which one, but I heard one is a little bit better than the other.

00:49:05.000 Fall is supposed to be the best, because the fall bears are eating berries.

00:49:08.000 I've only killed spring bears, but spring bears taste really good.

00:49:12.000 Like I was saying, from an ecological standpoint or from a conservation standpoint, it's probably one of the most important animals to kill, other than, say, white-tailed deer, because there's 2 million or so, what was the number?

00:49:24.000 Like 1.5 million car accidents in the United States alone.

00:49:27.000 200 people die in the United States every year from hitting deer with their cars.

00:49:31.000 That's the thing is people are so quick to point the finger like, I can't believe you'd kill a bear.

00:49:35.000 You can't believe it, but they just can't wrap their head around the fact that they need to be, those numbers get so out of control.

00:49:41.000 Yeah.

00:49:41.000 And the world's never going back to how it is before we lived where the bears live, you know?

00:49:47.000 Right.

00:49:47.000 That argument's a weird argument.

00:49:48.000 You're in their land.

00:49:49.000 Yeah.

00:49:50.000 Like, and I get it.

00:49:51.000 That's fine, but it doesn't matter.

00:49:52.000 That point's invalid because all the people live there.

00:49:55.000 Yeah.

00:49:56.000 And when there's millions of bears running around, it's not good for them either.

00:50:00.000 But even knowing that, I still feel weird when I kill a bear.

00:50:03.000 They're so much like a dog, almost.

00:50:06.000 They're like an enormous, big dog.

00:50:10.000 I think they're cool.

00:50:11.000 They're cool animals.

00:50:12.000 I like looking at them.

00:50:14.000 I still want to hug them.

00:50:15.000 I still want to...

00:50:17.000 What was that show when we were kids?

00:50:20.000 Grizzly Adams?

00:50:21.000 Grizzly Adams!

00:50:22.000 And he had that, like, that was his best friend.

00:50:24.000 I wanted to be Grizzly Adams so bad, dude.

00:50:26.000 It wasn't the beard or the hat or anything.

00:50:28.000 I just wanted to hang out and spoon that bear every day.

00:50:30.000 It was so awesome.

00:50:35.000 That guy had the original hipster beard.

00:50:38.000 I used to have...

00:50:39.000 that guy would get so many chicks right now in Venice. 1.00

00:50:41.000 I know, right?

00:50:42.000 He was just fucking owning it.

00:50:44.000 Yeah, he would.

00:50:44.000 Look at him.

00:50:45.000 He's lifting weights.

00:50:46.000 I didn't know he was yoked.

00:50:47.000 Looks like he got a grizzly bear on his chest.

00:50:48.000 Is that dude still alive?

00:50:50.000 Oh, man.

00:50:50.000 Grizzly Adams.

00:50:52.000 It says death.

00:50:53.000 It's right there.

00:50:54.000 It says death.

00:50:55.000 So I would say no.

00:50:56.000 Yeah, Grizzly.

00:50:56.000 He was so cool.

00:50:57.000 It's funny.

00:50:58.000 I had a...

00:50:59.000 Oh, he just died.

00:51:01.000 My wife and I... Dan Haggerty.

00:51:04.000 My wife and I got a...

00:51:06.000 My wife and I got a Bernie's Mountain Dog years ago.

00:51:10.000 Have you seen those?

00:51:11.000 It's like a big Swiss dog.

00:51:12.000 No.

00:51:13.000 Awesome.

00:51:14.000 It's related to a St. Bernard.

00:51:15.000 So it's very similar to a St. Bernard, but they're not like a slobbering breed.

00:51:19.000 They don't have slobber.

00:51:21.000 So they're really awesome.

00:51:22.000 They have these really cool markings, but mine was like 130 pounds.

00:51:25.000 So it was like a grizzly bear, and I swear I was like...

00:51:28.000 Living my childhood dream of being Grizzly Adams.

00:51:30.000 I'd come home and roll around with my big bear.

00:51:34.000 He was like a big grizzly bear.

00:51:35.000 He was awesome.

00:51:36.000 I wonder if that's what did Grizzly Man in.

00:51:39.000 Maybe he saw Grizzly Adams when he was a kid.

00:51:42.000 Either that or he had just a bad batch or something.

00:51:45.000 He was tripping.

00:51:48.000 Dude, I laughed the whole movie.

00:51:50.000 Oh yeah, it's a hilarious movie.

00:51:52.000 Even at the end, when he gets wasted by the bear, I thought it was comical.

00:51:56.000 Well, how about the fucking sheriff?

00:51:57.000 If anybody had ever been asking for it, it was that dude.

00:52:00.000 100%.

00:52:01.000 Yeah.

00:52:01.000 Yeah, I think it was suicide by bear, I really do.

00:52:04.000 Yeah.

00:52:04.000 Because he went back into the area when you're not supposed to be there, when the animals are in hibernation, except for the really desperate ones.

00:52:11.000 Yeah.

00:52:12.000 And he knew that they were killing cubs.

00:52:14.000 That was like part of the video.

00:52:16.000 He stumbled upon these cubs that this bear had killed.

00:52:19.000 They were starving to death.

00:52:20.000 The rivers had no salmon.

00:52:22.000 They had all dried up.

00:52:23.000 There was no salmon running.

00:52:24.000 It was getting real sketchy.

00:52:25.000 He stuck around.

00:52:26.000 They've accepted me as one of them.

00:52:28.000 Yeah.

00:52:29.000 That was the best, dude.

00:52:30.000 I just died laughing.

00:52:31.000 Poor bastard.

00:52:32.000 Oh, man.

00:52:33.000 That would have been a bad way to go.

00:52:35.000 When the sheriff talked about it, oh, I thought he was retarded! 1.00

00:52:38.000 It is like a comedy!

00:52:40.000 I think it's a comedy, and I want to talk to Werner Herzog because he's supposed to...

00:52:45.000 Apparently we're in contact with his people and we're trying to work something out because he's got something else that he's promoting, but there's no other documentaries that he does that are funny like that.

00:52:54.000 That one is fucking funny.

00:52:55.000 I'm not sure it was meant to be funny, but...

00:52:57.000 I think it is.

00:52:58.000 As a human being, you have to just look and be like, you gotta be kidding me with this dude.

00:53:02.000 There's some wild people out there, though, for sure.

00:53:04.000 Timothy Treadwell desperately wanted to be one with the bears.

00:53:09.000 So good.

00:53:11.000 That shit's cold, dude.

00:53:12.000 It's cold.

00:53:13.000 I'm protecting these bears.

00:53:14.000 No one's protecting these bears.

00:53:16.000 When he goes on those rants, because he would film himself going on three or four different rants, and he would only use one of them.

00:53:23.000 But some of them he would just start swearing, and fuck you, park department.

00:53:27.000 Where's the lost tapes?

00:53:28.000 I want to get the lost tapes.

00:53:30.000 Well, they had a whole series.

00:53:31.000 Did they really?

00:53:32.000 They took his tapes and they made a whole series about it.

00:53:36.000 And it was fucking...

00:53:37.000 I mean, he had like hundreds of hours of footage.

00:53:40.000 And he got amazing, amazing, unprecedented close-up footage of bears.

00:53:46.000 Because no one's that fucking stupid.

00:53:47.000 Yeah, no one's that crazy.

00:53:48.000 Yeah, you gotta be nuts!

00:53:49.000 Yeah, and those things were not like...

00:53:52.000 Close to a town and used to humans.

00:53:53.000 I was like in the middle of nowhere.

00:53:56.000 Those bears were straight up like wild grizzly bears doing wild grizzly bear shit. 0.71

00:53:59.000 Yeah, and he was watching them go to war with each other.

00:54:02.000 I mean, he got footage from like 20, 30 yards away of these two enormous grizzly bears.

00:54:07.000 He was telling them to stop it, huh?

00:54:09.000 Stop! 1.00

00:54:10.000 Stop fighting.

00:54:12.000 Well, that guy was 100% fighting the gay. 0.95

00:54:15.000 The gay was disturbing him so much, he decided to go camping with monsters. 1.00

00:54:20.000 He's like, I can't accept the fact that I'm gay.

00:54:24.000 He fixed that problem, didn't he?

00:54:26.000 Yeah, he did.

00:54:27.000 Well, he had a girl with him at the time, too.

00:54:29.000 Apparently, there's audio.

00:54:33.000 And I don't know if they destroyed it, but that was part of the documentary.

00:54:36.000 It lasted seven minutes.

00:54:39.000 Because bears don't fucking kill you. 0.87

00:54:41.000 They just start eating you.

00:54:42.000 They can hold you down.

00:54:43.000 They're not trying to kill you.

00:54:44.000 They just want to eat you.

00:54:46.000 That's a weird thing about omnivores, as opposed to predators.

00:54:50.000 Predators just kind of kill you, but omnivores, for the most part, they just hold you down.

00:54:55.000 Like chimps.

00:54:56.000 Chimps just hold things down and eat them. 1.00

00:54:58.000 The whole thing where we want to dispatch an animal as quick as possible to stop the suffering, they don't have that part in them.

00:55:04.000 They're just like, you want to scream?

00:55:05.000 Go ahead.

00:55:06.000 Yeah, if you're going to get jacked by something, a cat is the way to get jacked because cats know how to kill you.

00:55:11.000 Yeah.

00:55:12.000 They're really good at it.

00:55:13.000 Mountain lions would be scary, man.

00:55:15.000 Quick, though.

00:55:17.000 Scary, but once they get your neck...

00:55:19.000 Yeah, you're toast.

00:55:20.000 That's pretty much it.

00:55:21.000 But guys fight them off.

00:55:23.000 People fought off mountain lions.

00:55:24.000 Because I think animals, they have this tipping point where they go, okay, could I get fucking injured here?

00:55:31.000 If I can get injured here, I'm going to back off and go kill something stupid.

00:55:34.000 I'm going to go fuck someone's dog up or something.

00:55:36.000 Because there's a tipping point where the animal realizes, this guy is fighting for his life.

00:55:40.000 Fuck this.

00:55:41.000 This is too much work.

00:55:42.000 I'm out of here.

00:55:44.000 Yeah.

00:55:45.000 You know, and that brings me back to the shark thing.

00:55:47.000 Like, that would be, like, just a horrific way to go.

00:55:50.000 Oh, yeah.

00:55:51.000 Because those things are enormous, and when they want to kill you, they'll kill you.

00:55:54.000 And they just cut right through you.

00:55:56.000 Well, this is a strange animal.

00:55:57.000 It's like nature's cleanup crew.

00:55:58.000 Nature's just decided, like, there's just too much shit in this ocean, and so we're going to just develop this insane thing that doesn't even get to sleep.

00:56:07.000 It has to keep swimming.

00:56:08.000 Look at that.

00:56:08.000 Did you see the footage of the surf contest that happened last year in Africa?

00:56:12.000 Yes.

00:56:14.000 The shark?

00:56:15.000 That's a good buddy of mine.

00:56:18.000 I mean, that was like an 18 to 20 foot long great white shark.

00:56:21.000 Yeah, pull that up, Jamie.

00:56:24.000 I was on a plane when that happened, and I was landing in Honolulu, and I turned my phone on, and I had all these crazy messages from all my friends, because it's a really small world in the surf world.

00:56:37.000 That was no accident that this giant great white shark was within a couple feet of him.

00:56:43.000 Yeah, look at that.

00:56:44.000 Everyone's like, oh, it wasn't trying to attack him.

00:56:46.000 It didn't mean anything.

00:56:48.000 That great white shark is that close to a human being.

00:56:51.000 It was having a real good look, you know, I think.

00:56:54.000 Oh, fuck yeah.

00:56:55.000 It may not have been wanting to attack him or whatever, but it didn't just get accidentally stuck in his leash.

00:57:00.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:00.000 When you do that...

00:57:02.000 That right there...

00:57:02.000 He's as scared as a human being could possibly be without getting killed right then.

00:57:06.000 Yeah, and he's looking at it.

00:57:07.000 It's behind him.

00:57:08.000 And he's swimming.

00:57:09.000 That's it right there, right?

00:57:10.000 That's it in front of him?

00:57:12.000 That large body?

00:57:13.000 It was right there, dude.

00:57:14.000 Oh my god.

00:57:15.000 Yeah.

00:57:16.000 He's hard as nails.

00:57:17.000 And the other guy, Julian Wilson, that was Mick Fanning in the blue.

00:57:23.000 And look at him.

00:57:23.000 He's just...

00:57:24.000 That feeling when he got up on that raft.

00:57:26.000 And when that was going down, it was a full-on ordeal of like, you know, it didn't happen like real quick and he just jumped on.

00:57:32.000 That was like a lot of seconds right there happening.

00:57:35.000 His board got taken away from him and he had to swim and splashing, splashing water, you know, panicking.

00:57:40.000 And then the other guy, Julian Wilson, in his heat, was 100 feet away and was paddling full speed towards him to try and help.

00:57:49.000 That's like when you show your true colors, you know?

00:57:52.000 That's when you know that shit's going down, is when you see a friend of yours getting what he thought was attacked by a great white. 0.50

00:57:59.000 It's probably just a switch that goes off in your head.

00:58:03.000 It's probably just pure lizard thinking.

00:58:06.000 The survival feeling, when that thing hit his board and you're in full-on panic mode, you realize you have got to get the fuck away from this thing.

00:58:17.000 There's no other options.

00:58:18.000 Well, I watched it and you see him, he doesn't go, hey, what was that?

00:58:22.000 He reacts super quick.

00:58:24.000 He's ready to fight.

00:58:25.000 If that thing was there, I'm 100% sure he would have started swinging right away if it was right there.

00:58:30.000 I have a friend, actually.

00:58:31.000 I have a friend where I live.

00:58:34.000 He lives on the same island as me.

00:58:36.000 He's from where I live.

00:58:38.000 A tiger shark came up, grabs him, takes him underwater.

00:58:43.000 By the side, grabs him with a full mouth bite on his ribs and his hip and takes him underwater, like six feet underwater.

00:58:51.000 And he had a straight-up punch-up with the thing underwater.

00:58:53.000 Oh, my God.

00:58:54.000 He was beating the shit out of the shark.

00:58:55.000 He's a big dude.

00:58:57.000 It's hard to get...

00:58:57.000 At the time, he was like 16 years old.

00:58:59.000 His name was Ulu.

00:59:00.000 And he's a local Hawaiian kid from where I live.

00:59:02.000 And it took him underwater and he straight up fought the shark.

00:59:05.000 Wow.

00:59:06.000 And I ended up letting him go.

00:59:07.000 I think he had like 200 stitches or 300 stitches or something.

00:59:10.000 And his whole side was just cut open.

00:59:13.000 It's amazing that he's okay.

00:59:14.000 Amazing he's okay.

00:59:16.000 I can't even imagine what that, you know, just looking there in the thing, like looking at the eyeball, it would have been right there like staring at him, you know.

00:59:23.000 And he said he was just hitting the thing as hard as he possibly could.

00:59:25.000 Luckily he's a big dude.

00:59:27.000 It's crazy that they're attributing it, it makes sense though, to overfishing.

00:59:31.000 That they just don't have enough to eat anymore.

00:59:33.000 It makes sense.

00:59:34.000 Totally makes sense.

00:59:35.000 And the thing is, no matter how many attacks there are, there's been a shitload of attacks in Australia.

00:59:40.000 A lot.

00:59:41.000 In certain pockets, like certain areas.

00:59:44.000 And there's one area in eastern Australia, like on the east coast, that has had a ton of attacks in the last five years.

00:59:49.000 And another place on the west coast.

00:59:51.000 And there's all these groups that are just like, nope, you can't do anything to the sharks.

00:59:54.000 You cannot do anything to the sharks, you know?

00:59:57.000 Who are these groups and what is their agenda?

00:59:59.000 Environmentalist groups.

01:00:00.000 They're just like, no matter what, you can't hurt nature type of thing, you know?

01:00:05.000 Is there a shortage of sharks?

01:00:07.000 Well, man, it's hard.

01:00:10.000 But the bottom line is if there were less sharks, there'd be less attacks, right?

01:00:14.000 Yeah.

01:00:16.000 It's difficult.

01:00:17.000 There's not a real solution where you're going to make everybody happy.

01:00:22.000 No.

01:00:22.000 Well, you're never going to make everybody happy when you have environmentalists or animal rights advocates.

01:00:28.000 There's a lot of really fucking crazy environmental and anti-hunting animal rights activists.

01:00:35.000 They're not using logic or conservation.

01:00:37.000 They just love animals.

01:00:39.000 They want them protected at all costs.

01:00:41.000 What's interesting is they don't have any problem with animals fucking up animals.

01:00:45.000 No.

01:00:46.000 Like, they don't like people eating animals, but they don't have any problem with animals just ripping animals apart.

01:00:52.000 Yeah.

01:00:52.000 It's weird.

01:00:53.000 It is weird.

01:00:54.000 It's weird because it's like they accept nature, they love nature, but they don't like the nature of a human being a predator.

01:01:01.000 Like, they want to move away from that.

01:01:03.000 Yeah.

01:01:04.000 People are a trip these days, man.

01:01:06.000 It's funny because the whole social media thing for me is relatively new.

01:01:12.000 Obviously, we didn't grow up with that.

01:01:13.000 It baffles me because I can spear a fish, and I've posted a photo of me.

01:01:19.000 Nobody gives a fuck.

01:01:20.000 With my spear, with my feet, there's a bloody fish in my hand.

01:01:23.000 Good job!

01:01:24.000 Great going!

01:01:25.000 Awesome!

01:01:26.000 Great fish!

01:01:27.000 No one says a word about anything that I killed a fish.

01:01:30.000 You kill a deer, Oh, man.

01:01:33.000 People just freak out.

01:01:35.000 See what happens when you kill a bear.

01:01:36.000 A bear.

01:01:37.000 I can only imagine.

01:01:38.000 More people have hated me for that than anything I've done besides Fear Factor.

01:01:42.000 Yeah.

01:01:43.000 Besides fear factor.

01:01:45.000 They get so mad.

01:01:46.000 I'm like, I'm eating it.

01:01:47.000 This is what I eat.

01:01:48.000 I don't buy meat.

01:01:49.000 People have such a problem with that, man.

01:01:51.000 I get these dumbest, dumbest comments.

01:01:53.000 Like, literally, like, there's plenty of meat in the store.

01:01:55.000 Why would you have to go and do that?

01:01:57.000 You're a terrible person.

01:01:59.000 Like, I'm not a terrible person because I go to the store and eat it.

01:02:01.000 You're a terrible person because you go and get your food yourself and kill it.

01:02:05.000 Because you did the killing with your own hands.

01:02:08.000 You're bad.

01:02:08.000 I go and buy it.

01:02:10.000 With my money, I'm good.

01:02:11.000 You don't have to be a killer.

01:02:12.000 It's pretty wild.

01:02:13.000 That whole...

01:02:14.000 It just blows my mind.

01:02:16.000 Because, you know, I didn't grow up in a city...

01:02:19.000 I get all these people from Rio de Janeiro or Sao Paulo or someplace in South America or a big city.

01:02:26.000 I'm not pointing the finger at South Americans or anything like that.

01:02:29.000 But it's always people who are in cities because they have this major disconnection from their food, right?

01:02:34.000 Where I live...

01:02:36.000 I mean, I live in Hawaii.

01:02:38.000 Everybody I know is a fisherman or a hunter, and people have gardens.

01:02:42.000 It's like this is a way of life.

01:02:44.000 Where we live, there's tons of fish everywhere.

01:02:47.000 If you throw your net, you're going to get dinner.

01:02:49.000 That's what people do.

01:02:50.000 They eat the food that they get around them.

01:02:53.000 And not always, but it's very, very typical to be a hunter or a fisherman.

01:03:00.000 Where I live, that's viewed as the same exact thing.

01:03:03.000 A fisherman and a hunter is the same.

01:03:05.000 I don't see the difference.

01:03:06.000 And so that's why it's shocking to me with the whole how people are totally fine with you clubbing a bunch of fish.

01:03:12.000 But the second you kill a deer, they just lose it.

01:03:16.000 Yeah, well, it's exactly what you said.

01:03:18.000 It's just the disconnect of not...

01:03:20.000 Not really understanding where their food comes from, not being in any way connected to the idea of the natural cycle of life.

01:03:27.000 And then there's also a hierarchy of animals that you're allowed to kill and not allowed to kill.

01:03:31.000 Like even turkeys.

01:03:33.000 Nobody gives a fuck when you hold up a dead turkey.

01:03:35.000 Nope.

01:03:35.000 They don't give a shit.

01:03:36.000 No.

01:03:36.000 But if you hold up a dead bear...

01:03:38.000 And a dead boar.

01:03:40.000 Yeah, that's the other thing too.

01:03:41.000 Get rid of those things.

01:03:42.000 Yeah, pigs.

01:03:42.000 They don't have a problem with pigs.

01:03:44.000 They don't give a shit about pigs. 0.97

01:03:44.000 It's weird. 0.97

01:03:45.000 Get rid of them.

01:03:46.000 Especially boars.

01:03:47.000 Plus, they're eating pigs, too. 0.72

01:03:48.000 Yeah.

01:03:48.000 Like, most people eat bacon every day, right?

01:03:50.000 So it's like, yep, get rid of those boars.

01:03:52.000 That's a disgusting, filthy animal. 1.00

01:03:54.000 Kill it.

01:03:55.000 Yep, I'm going to have my bacon, too.

01:03:57.000 Yeah.

01:03:58.000 Why'd you shoot that deer, though?

01:03:59.000 Yeah.

01:03:59.000 You didn't have to do that.

01:04:00.000 Yeah.

01:04:01.000 Well, the bears are the big ones.

01:04:02.000 Because I think, in a lot of ways, people associate bears with trophy hunting.

01:04:06.000 And trophy hunting is something that...

01:04:09.000 I mean, I get it.

01:04:12.000 I understand that there's a lot of money involved in it for the communities where they shoot these animals and that it benefits them.

01:04:18.000 And then also they have population issues with a lot of these animals.

01:04:22.000 Like we were talking about it yesterday, the thing that happened in Zimbabwe with Cecil the lion.

01:04:26.000 Yeah.

01:04:27.000 How they have to shoot 200 lions now.

01:04:29.000 They have to kill them because they're just decimating the undulate population. 1.00

01:04:32.000 Yeah, nobody knows about that.

01:04:33.000 All those people that were pissed about Cecil have no idea they've got to kill all the lions now.

01:04:37.000 Yeah.

01:04:37.000 They have no idea how it works over there, and the only reason those lions are alive is because of hunters.

01:04:42.000 And they're losing a million dollars in revenue, because it costs them $50,000 to shoot a lion.

01:04:48.000 So all that money would go to conservation, hiring all the conservation agents, and stopping poaching.

01:04:54.000 It's just a shitty system, really.

01:04:55.000 I mean, it's a shitty system.

01:04:57.000 It's because they're...

01:04:59.000 It's dangerous.

01:04:59.000 They can't do it.

01:05:00.000 In America, it's great.

01:05:01.000 When I buy my tag for Colorado, I buy it for $600.

01:05:06.000 $550 goes straight to conservation.

01:05:08.000 That's awesome.

01:05:09.000 That's why there are so many animals.

01:05:11.000 That's a really healthy system of how to increase populations, how to take care of habitat, how to hire more park rangers, how to buy more land and make bigger reservations and bigger conservation areas.

01:05:26.000 I don't think people know that, though.

01:05:27.000 They don't.

01:05:28.000 Most people have no idea that most of the money that goes towards wildlife habitat, like maintaining habitat, all comes from hunters.

01:05:35.000 Like 90%.

01:05:36.000 And then on top of that, there's a tax on sporting goods that goes to that.

01:05:40.000 And, you know, people always say, well, hunting isn't conservation, but you know what?

01:05:44.000 Here's the thing.

01:05:45.000 Hunters and hunting products, whether it's bow hunting stuff or rifle stuff, they did not fight that tax.

01:05:52.000 But you know who did fight that tax?

01:05:54.000 All those other companies that make hiking stuff and REI and those companies, they didn't want a tax.

01:05:59.000 So they've tried to impose another tax and these people have fought it off.

01:06:03.000 And the reason they fought it off is because they don't have to pay it.

01:06:06.000 They don't have to pay it.

01:06:07.000 It's gonna fuck with their overhead.

01:06:08.000 It's gonna fuck with the amount of money that they have to charge for things.

01:06:11.000 And so This idea that these hunters aren't real conservationists, they're using it as an excuse.

01:06:18.000 The bottom line is that's where all the money's coming from.

01:06:20.000 All of it for habitat protection, wetland habitat protection, all that comes from hunters.

01:06:25.000 And it's a lot of money.

01:06:27.000 If they stopped hunting, if they made hunting illegal, and they cut off that supply of revenue, there's a lot of animals that would be fucked.

01:06:34.000 Yeah, there would be.

01:06:35.000 People don't like it because it's one of those weird kind of gray area things where it just doesn't make you feel comfortable thinking that the money that has come...

01:06:44.000 First of all, the only reason why there's elk in all the habitats that they're at right now is because hunters introduced them to those areas.

01:06:51.000 They were decimated by the turn of the 19th century or the 20th century.

01:06:56.000 So in the early 1900s, there was very few elk left in this country.

01:07:00.000 So the Rocky Mountain Elk Federation spent considerable amounts of money, resource, man hours, moving animals into these areas like Kentucky.

01:07:09.000 Like Kentucky has like a huge elk population now.

01:07:13.000 There was nothing there just 30, 40 years ago.

01:07:16.000 Nothing.

01:07:17.000 Zero.

01:07:17.000 So they've figured out a way to not just maintain populations so hunters can kill them, but they've also reintroduced them to areas where they didn't exist before.

01:07:27.000 Well, increased populations by a hundred times in a lot of states.

01:07:30.000 Yeah.

01:07:30.000 I mean, the elk numbers have never been as high as they have been in the last 20 years.

01:07:35.000 Yeah.

01:07:36.000 No, it's amazing what they've done.

01:07:38.000 And it's all because of hunters.

01:07:40.000 I understand it for people that are animal rights lovers, but I just wish they had a more balanced perspective and they understood what all the pieces that are in place are.

01:07:51.000 It's an uncomfortable thing for a lot of people to think that the people who want to hunt and kill and eat these animals are the ones that love them the most.

01:07:58.000 Yeah.

01:08:00.000 Crazy thinking, right?

01:08:02.000 Well, all the people that are super butthurt about the hunting thing aren't doing anything about it.

01:08:07.000 Yeah.

01:08:07.000 Well, they talk about it on Twitter.

01:08:08.000 Yeah, they're just being angry and lashing out, you know, with their phone.

01:08:12.000 But they're not doing anything to save the animals.

01:08:14.000 Those people aren't on the front lines in Africa trying to save the lions or the elephants or trying to go against poachers and do something about it.

01:08:23.000 All those people are just chit-chatting, you know?

01:08:26.000 Well, there's not enough money I mean, if they really wanted to do the kind of work that the hunters are doing, they'd have to have some stream of revenue.

01:08:34.000 And the stream of revenue that is coming from hunting is all coming from tags.

01:08:38.000 It's all coming from the sale of hunting gear and products.

01:08:41.000 And there's just no way they can match that.

01:08:43.000 There's no way.

01:08:44.000 There's millions of hunters.

01:08:46.000 Millions of hunters that are contributing literally a billion dollars.

01:08:49.000 It's probably more than a billion dollars a year that goes to conservation.

01:08:52.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:08:53.000 And it's one of those weird things.

01:08:58.000 It seems like it should be cut and dry.

01:09:00.000 Well, I think people have a misconception about hunting in general.

01:09:03.000 In most states, like say Colorado, the areas that I've hunted there on a do-it-yourself, over-the-counter tag, cost me like $550, $600.

01:09:13.000 And I go there with my buddy.

01:09:14.000 It's in an area that has a 7% success rate for archery, or maybe less, 6% or 7%.

01:09:21.000 So out of a hundred hunters, maybe six or seven people get an elk.

01:09:26.000 So all these people are really just paying for the experience of elk hunting.

01:09:29.000 It's not like they're going in there and buying an animal or nothing like that.

01:09:32.000 It's like, I'm going to Colorado.

01:09:34.000 This is my trip for the year.

01:09:36.000 I choose to go out and just hunt elk for two weeks or three weeks or one week or however long you have time.

01:09:42.000 And that's what the hunting experience is all about for me.

01:09:44.000 I mean, I love the meat.

01:09:46.000 That's awesome.

01:09:47.000 I love the successful hunt.

01:09:48.000 That's great.

01:09:49.000 For sure, I love eating it.

01:09:51.000 But the bottom line is if I had to go elk hunting and don't get an elk, it's not an unsuccessful hunt.

01:09:55.000 I'm so stoked.

01:09:56.000 This is like the best experience ever.

01:09:58.000 Yeah, it's a very enjoyable, deeply rewarding experience just to be out there trying and attempting it.

01:10:03.000 And when you are successful, it makes it that much more rewarding because you know how difficult it is.

01:10:08.000 Especially when you're doing it with a bow and arrow.

01:10:10.000 I mean, you have to get within...

01:10:12.000 I mean, if you're really fucking good, you could shoot something within 90 yards, but for the most part, you're trying to get somewhere within 30, 40 yards.

01:10:19.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:10:20.000 What's the matter, Jamie?

01:10:21.000 What is this?

01:10:22.000 Oh, I got.

01:10:23.000 Sportsmen contribute nearly $8 million every day, adding to more than $2.9 billion every year for conservation.

01:10:31.000 Hunters and target shooters have paid $7.1 billion in excise taxes since the inception of the Pittman-Robertson Act in 1937. That's incredible.

01:10:43.000 Everybody in America knows about Cecil the Lion.

01:10:45.000 Everybody knows about Cecil.

01:10:47.000 Nobody knows that.

01:10:49.000 Nobody.

01:10:50.000 Only hunters know that.

01:10:51.000 You know?

01:10:52.000 It's crazy.

01:10:52.000 Yeah, I'm confused here.

01:10:53.000 How's that work?

01:10:54.000 It says, I get the $8 million every day, contributing more than $2.9 billion every year for conservation, but this is what I don't understand.

01:11:01.000 It says hunters and target shooters have paid $7.1 billion in excise taxes.

01:11:05.000 Just specifically that tax.

01:11:06.000 Just specifically excise taxes.

01:11:08.000 Yeah.

01:11:09.000 Okay.

01:11:09.000 It's a shitload of money.

01:11:10.000 Yeah.

01:11:11.000 So it's tags and then equipment and taxes.

01:11:15.000 So I guess the taxes is the billion, the 7.1 billion.

01:11:19.000 The rest of it is tags, which is $2.9 billion a year.

01:11:22.000 It's amazing.

01:11:23.000 It is amazing.

01:11:24.000 Again, it's the people that live in the cities that are disconnected, and I was one of them.

01:11:29.000 I mean, if you talked to me, if you got a hold of me, you know, 20 years ago, when I never even considered hunting, and you asked me about, like, hunting, I'd be like, assholes shooting an animal.

01:11:38.000 Animals are awesome.

01:11:39.000 Bunch of pussies. 1.00

01:11:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:40.000 With their big guns.

01:11:40.000 Meanwhile, I'd go buy dog food and cat food.

01:11:43.000 Yeah.

01:11:43.000 I love animals.

01:11:44.000 I'm buying ground-up fucking chickens.

01:11:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:11:47.000 I mean, that's the funniest one is like vegans with cats.

01:11:50.000 More than 1.42 billion dollars through state hunting and fishing license.

01:11:55.000 Wow, that's incredible.

01:11:57.000 1.4 billion dollars in conservation comes from hunting and fishing license sales.

01:12:02.000 608 million from other revenue, 749 million through excise taxes, paid solely by sportsmen.

01:12:09.000 That's amazing.

01:12:10.000 Yeah, that's where the money comes.

01:12:12.000 That money's not going to be replaced by people who love animals.

01:12:16.000 And that's also...

01:12:17.000 There's a lot of people that think of hunters like the characters in a movie, like an Elmer Fudd, like some asshole who hates animals.

01:12:25.000 But when you listen to really good hunting podcasts, like there's this guy Jay Scott, he's got a really good hunting podcast, and Cody Rich has the Rich Outdoors, and Steve Rinella has the Meat Eater podcast.

01:12:38.000 Which is my favorite.

01:12:40.000 You're listening to really intelligent, really smart, well-educated people that understand a lot about conservation, the environment, the animals they're pursuing.

01:12:49.000 And when they're talking about tactics and strategies and details and all the different areas that you're hunting, all the different places where you're putting in for tags, you realize this is a complex...

01:13:01.000 System that they're trying to navigate in order to be successful.

01:13:04.000 It's fucking very very difficult and it's primal as fuck.

01:13:09.000 The whole thing is like it's a wild experience and like literally wild and many different levels.

01:13:16.000 Yeah, and just that yeah, I just I don't know I can't get enough of it.

01:13:21.000 I swear like I I I feel like I I like I measure my success Not so much now because my kids are a family guy and that's basically all I care about is my kids these days.

01:13:34.000 But I swear, it's like I measure my success by how many days a year I spend in camouflage.

01:13:40.000 That's how I know I had a super good year, is if I went hunting a lot.

01:13:44.000 I swear.

01:13:45.000 And if I don't hunt for a while, my wife will call my friend and be like, dude, you've got to take Shane hunting.

01:13:53.000 He's being a dick.

01:13:56.000 He's being a total asshole.

01:13:58.000 And you need to take him hunting.

01:13:59.000 So it's like you need to get your fix?

01:14:01.000 No, I just get grouchy and grumpy and I don't even really feel it coming on.

01:14:06.000 And my wife's like, you need to go hunting. 1.00

01:14:07.000 But what is it you think that's causing that?

01:14:09.000 It's like the...

01:14:10.000 I don't know.

01:14:11.000 Is it something's causing it when you miss hunting?

01:14:14.000 Not hunting.

01:14:14.000 So hunting is alleviating that in some sort of a way.

01:14:18.000 Yes.

01:14:18.000 And surfing, I do.

01:14:21.000 I need to surf a lot.

01:14:23.000 I need to hunt a lot.

01:14:24.000 It's just who I am now.

01:14:26.000 I'm a hunter just like I'm a surfer.

01:14:28.000 It's not what I do.

01:14:29.000 I feel like that's who I am.

01:14:31.000 So it's just being a part of the natural world.

01:14:34.000 The surfing thing, even though you're on a board that's made out of composite materials and you've got wax on it and all this jazz and it's all created by a factory.

01:14:44.000 But there's something about you're introducing your life or your being into the natural world of the ocean.

01:14:51.000 And you feel something.

01:14:53.000 Like, they say that the ocean has some sort of an electromagnetic, like, feel to it.

01:14:58.000 Like, there's something about the ocean.

01:15:00.000 Because it's essentially alive.

01:15:02.000 You know, it has living things in it, but there's oxygen in the water, and that's how these plants grow, and when there's dead spots, that's why these fish die.

01:15:11.000 It's not just like an ecosystem, it's almost like a giant living thing.

01:15:16.000 And you're swimming around in that thing, sort of absorbing its life force.

01:15:21.000 I feel like it just keeps you young.

01:15:24.000 I swear, surfing a lot, being in the sun, being in the ocean a lot, and not sitting there frying yourself or anything like that, but just spending a life in the ocean and in the sun is just good for you.

01:15:35.000 I know people who are in their 50s and 60s and are healthy.

01:15:39.000 They look young.

01:15:40.000 They don't have tons of physical problems.

01:15:43.000 I don't know.

01:15:44.000 I think it's good for you.

01:15:46.000 I think spending time in the outdoors, whether you're in the mountains with your boat or whether you're in the ocean doing whatever you're doing is just good.

01:15:53.000 Well, it's certainly good to be active.

01:15:55.000 It's also absorbing vitamin D3 or creating vitamin D3 through the sun.

01:15:59.000 That's a rare thing.

01:16:01.000 Yeah, and then coming home with organic, grass-fed, wild meat is even better, you know?

01:16:05.000 Yeah.

01:16:06.000 No, all those things are, I mean, you're living a very natural life in a lot of ways in that way, you know?

01:16:12.000 And, again, there's also the satisfaction element.

01:16:15.000 Just like the people who grow a garden can kind of, and I have a garden, I get it, is there's a connection.

01:16:20.000 Like, if I grow some tomatoes and some kale and I put together a salad and I'm eating that salad, I'm like, I know, not only do I know where this came from, I was there.

01:16:30.000 I put the seeds in.

01:16:31.000 I watered it.

01:16:32.000 I made sure it got fertilized.

01:16:34.000 There's something deeply satisfying about making your own food that you grow or that you go and get as opposed to going to a supermarket.

01:16:43.000 Well, and it takes a lot more effort, too.

01:16:44.000 So you just have that elk steak that you eat.

01:16:50.000 If you do a side-by-side comparison with someone who didn't hunt, they may not feel the same way.

01:16:57.000 But because you packed it out, you put all the time in on the target, you did all the hunting, you looked forward to it for six months, that hunt, and that's the best tasting steak you're ever going to have.

01:17:08.000 Because you have the pride of knowing that you did it all yourself.

01:17:11.000 Yeah, it's certainly a very very different feeling now living in Hawaii and Being a white guy What is that like because people say weird things about I've never found Hawaiians to be racist or rude or weird But I've heard crazy shit and I've always wondered like if that crazy shit is from like rude Americans that come over there and like are disrespectful or act like they own the place or well There's a little bit of both.

01:17:39.000 Yeah, there's a little bit of both.

01:17:41.000 There's, you know, I mean, I grew up, I mean, I was born and raised in Hawaii, so I saw a lot of this, you know, like in high school and, you know, like in elementary school, like if you're a white, like everybody wanted to be a Hawaiian when they were young, right?

01:17:52.000 Like everybody in my school, like if you're a white, you kind of wish you weren't. 0.99

01:17:56.000 Really?

01:17:56.000 That's kind of the deal, yeah, when you're really young, especially back in the day, like in the 70s and 80s, right?

01:18:01.000 So, like when I was a kid, there was this thing called Kill Haole Day.

01:18:05.000 I'm not making it up.

01:18:06.000 Oh my god.

01:18:07.000 So you know what a haole is, right?

01:18:08.000 Yeah, white people.

01:18:08.000 It's like a white dude.

01:18:09.000 So there was a thing, it was called Kill Haole Day, and it was always the end of the year, and it was like, I don't even know if they actually practiced it when I was a kid, but it was still, it was a thing. 0.68

01:18:20.000 And it was a thing where, like, Hawaiians would be like...

01:18:23.000 This is it.

01:18:24.000 We're almost out of school.

01:18:25.000 Let's beat up some Haoles or whatever. 1.00

01:18:27.000 It didn't really happen when I was a kid, but there was a thing called Kill Haole Day and people would talk about it.

01:18:33.000 But times have definitely changed.

01:18:35.000 And the other thing is there's a huge difference between a white dude who was born in Hawaii and a white guy who moved to Hawaii.

01:18:43.000 So if you're from Hawaii, Born and raised in Hawaii is totally different than if you're a dude from Orange County that moved to Hawaii when you're 18 and then next to you you're trying to talk like the Hawaiians and stuff.

01:18:59.000 That's when people freak.

01:19:01.000 That's when people lose it.

01:19:02.000 When a dude rolls up with the Hawaiian stickers on their truck and jumps out and is trying to act like a local dude.

01:19:09.000 That's when guys get angry.

01:19:11.000 That's not cool.

01:19:12.000 So it's like a cultural appropriation thing.

01:19:15.000 Yeah, it's just like, I don't know how to explain it, but it gets a little complicated.

01:19:20.000 But if you show people respect, you know, if you're chill, if you paddle out in the water at a localized break and you're mellow, you don't have a bunch of ding-dongs with you, if you paddle out by yourself and you show respect and you're mellow, then everyone gives you respect.

01:19:32.000 That's what I've always found.

01:19:34.000 So the issue is disrespectful people in a lot of ways.

01:19:38.000 Yeah, it's just different.

01:19:40.000 It's like its own country.

01:19:41.000 I've never been to Texas, but I hear it's like its own kind of place.

01:19:44.000 Texas is definitely its own country.

01:19:46.000 If you get off the plane at my house, and you get a convertible Mustang rent-a-car, and someone's going 45 and a 55 in a lifted truck, you don't pass them.

01:19:56.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:57.000 If you pass them, they'll chase you down, and they will.

01:20:00.000 Really?

01:20:01.000 Oh yeah.

01:20:02.000 That's just disrespectful.

01:20:03.000 It's like, you're in Hawaii now.

01:20:04.000 Slow down.

01:20:06.000 Don't go 65 in a 55 in a convertible Mustang.

01:20:10.000 It's just a strange place.

01:20:14.000 I don't know.

01:20:15.000 It's its own kind of place, man.

01:20:17.000 Well, it's occupied.

01:20:19.000 I mean, it's sort of an occupied country.

01:20:21.000 Completely.

01:20:22.000 Yeah.

01:20:23.000 They're part of the United States, in air quotes, but not really.

01:20:28.000 That's a country.

01:20:29.000 Hawaiian people sailed there on sailing canoes from French Polynesia with stars for navigation.

01:20:35.000 Yeah.

01:20:35.000 They got there on their own.

01:20:37.000 How far is that?

01:20:38.000 They got everything with them.

01:20:39.000 It's, I don't know, it'd be 3,000 miles or something like that.

01:20:44.000 What in the fuck?

01:20:46.000 Yeah.

01:20:46.000 They did that in a canoe.

01:20:47.000 Yes.

01:20:48.000 I don't even like driving to Vegas.

01:20:49.000 And like, hey guys, we're out of here.

01:20:51.000 We're not just going on a cruise, we're moving.

01:20:54.000 Yeah.

01:20:54.000 We're going to become Hawaiians.

01:20:55.000 We're going to bring our babies.

01:20:56.000 Like you have kids.

01:20:57.000 Imagine bringing your kid in a fucking canoe.

01:20:59.000 So those people moved to Hawaii.

01:21:01.000 They lived there.

01:21:02.000 They had their awesome system of the people in the mountains.

01:21:05.000 They trade with the people at the beach for food and sustenance and that's how they live.

01:21:10.000 You know, there's the mountain people, there's the ocean people and nobody owned any land.

01:21:15.000 There was no concept of owning land.

01:21:17.000 People just shared and got along and they had their system that worked.

01:21:21.000 You know, it was a gnarly time too.

01:21:23.000 There was a lot of Gnarly stuff that was going on.

01:21:25.000 It was like a radical time to live.

01:21:27.000 If you did something bad, you're executed and all kinds of crazy shit like back in the day.

01:21:31.000 But, you know, when the white dude showed up, when Captain Cook showed up and the missionary showed up in their boats and they were trading a musket for like a hundred thousand acre ranch, you know, it was like, shit got crazy in Hawaii.

01:21:46.000 And you can feel that nowadays.

01:21:49.000 I mean, there's a lot of Hawaiians that are getting pushed out.

01:21:50.000 You know, all these people live in different places on the mainland and make a bunch of money, and then they retire in Hawaii because who wouldn't, right?

01:21:56.000 Everybody wants to live in Hawaii.

01:21:58.000 But they bring their money to Hawaii, it drives the value up, and then the Hawaiians can't live there anymore.

01:22:02.000 They get pushed out to these areas that are less desirable, that are...

01:22:07.000 And they can't make money in Hawaii.

01:22:08.000 So there's a lot of resentment.

01:22:11.000 There's a crazy dynamic in Hawaii, and you feel that.

01:22:15.000 And that'll never get taken away.

01:22:17.000 Yeah, how does that work?

01:22:18.000 Because last time I was there, I was looking at these properties that were on the beach.

01:22:22.000 I was like, look at the size of this fucking place.

01:22:24.000 This enormous house that someone built on this beach.

01:22:27.000 And someone was telling me, yeah, that's some CEO's jammy.

01:22:31.000 It's his house.

01:22:31.000 He's got a fucking helicopter pad and shit.

01:22:34.000 I was like, okay, how does that work?

01:22:35.000 So this guy flies in and stays there sometimes.

01:22:39.000 How do the people around feel about that?

01:22:41.000 Yeah, they're there for a week a year.

01:22:42.000 And they spend five years building their house with Italian granite that's flown in from Italy.

01:22:47.000 And it's like, guess who's swinging the hammers, right?

01:22:52.000 Yeah, Hawaiians.

01:22:53.000 Yeah.

01:22:54.000 And they have to drive there from their little zone or wherever they're living.

01:22:59.000 They definitely don't live in a private community by the beach or the golf course.

01:23:03.000 So how do people feel about those people that do that?

01:23:07.000 Do they get upset at them?

01:23:08.000 Are they angry at them?

01:23:09.000 No, not really.

01:23:10.000 I think they understand.

01:23:10.000 I just think it's just a difficult situation.

01:23:14.000 It's like a lot of places in America, really, if you think about it.

01:23:18.000 It's not that unusual, the situation in Hawaii.

01:23:22.000 It just seems odd because there's so many of these multi-million dollar vacation estates that are by the beach and that's like some crazy fuck you CEO type money that you have to have to have one of these things.

01:23:36.000 How weird is it?

01:23:37.000 These people, they come to this place and they occupy this spot, but there's a bunch of people that have been here and their ancestors have been here for a thousand plus years and this is kind of their area.

01:23:48.000 But you can buy a spot there.

01:23:50.000 And they work five days a week their whole life and they can't buy a house, you know?

01:23:54.000 Right.

01:23:54.000 And then the whole runway where I live is filled with private jets just sitting there waiting.

01:23:59.000 Really?

01:24:00.000 Oh yeah.

01:24:01.000 People spend $50 million on their house.

01:24:04.000 There's every single one of those guys in the Fortune 500, all the CEOs, all the guys from every big, giant tech company, they all have houses where I live.

01:24:11.000 They show up one week a year in their jet.

01:24:13.000 That's so strange.

01:24:14.000 Yeah, it's pretty wild.

01:24:14.000 Does anybody break in when they're not there?

01:24:16.000 No, they got top-notch security.

01:24:18.000 You think they wouldn't, dude?

01:24:19.000 These are like tech guys.

01:24:21.000 Roseanne Barr is a friend of mine.

01:24:22.000 She lives there.

01:24:23.000 Yeah, it's a cool place to live.

01:24:25.000 People understand why those people want to live there.

01:24:29.000 The weather's great.

01:24:30.000 It's a beautiful place.

01:24:31.000 No one's blaming them for living there.

01:24:32.000 That's not the problem.

01:24:34.000 So the problem is them being disrespectful to the people that do live there.

01:24:37.000 Yeah, if you're going to be there...

01:24:39.000 Relax.

01:24:40.000 It's Hawaii.

01:24:41.000 Don't be in a big rush.

01:24:42.000 Don't overtake me.

01:24:43.000 Don't drive like you live in L.A. Don't drive like an asshole.

01:24:46.000 This is not L.A. Yeah, it's not.

01:24:47.000 You know, so just when you get to Hawaii, just relax a little bit.

01:24:51.000 Well, I got that text from you this morning, the text that you sent me.

01:24:54.000 Fuck L.A. traffic.

01:24:55.000 That's all it said.

01:24:57.000 It's just you realize, like, this place is the exact opposite of the Big Island.

01:25:03.000 I mean, this place is some strange sort of magnet for weirdos, and everybody's just getting sucked into this giant population center, and you try to get anywhere, even in the middle of the day.

01:25:16.000 I mean, you were here at noon, so you're driving around at 11 a.m.

01:25:21.000 You'd feel 11 a.m., everybody's at work, no big deal.

01:25:24.000 Jammed, bumper to bumper. 1.00

01:25:26.000 You should go out at 4 just so you want to kill yourself.

01:25:30.000 Just get on the 405 at 4 in the afternoon.

01:25:32.000 You'd be like, what in the fuck is this?

01:25:34.000 What is this?

01:25:35.000 If you get on the 405 between Like 11 at night and 4 in the morning, you beat rush hour traffic.

01:25:43.000 Yeah.

01:25:43.000 Maybe.

01:25:44.000 If it's light outside, it's rush hour.

01:25:48.000 Yes.

01:25:49.000 Straight up.

01:25:49.000 Because I drove just now from San Diego to LA. I stopped in Orange County to get an MRI, but it was rush hour traffic the whole way up.

01:25:57.000 It was just stop and go.

01:25:58.000 And it was like there was no accident, there was no road construction, there was nothing.

01:26:02.000 It's crazy.

01:26:03.000 Well, sometimes you'll be in a bumper-to-bumper stop that's a mile long at 2 in the morning.

01:26:08.000 Yeah.

01:26:09.000 What the fuck is this?

01:26:12.000 I don't know.

01:26:13.000 That shit drives me crazy.

01:26:14.000 And then the parking and the street sweeping.

01:26:16.000 They have the technology in places like Manhattan Beach and Hermosa Beach.

01:26:22.000 They have the parking meter dudes.

01:26:25.000 They have a thing now where if the parking meter...

01:26:29.000 If your money runs out, they get like a bing!

01:26:34.000 They know where you are and that your parking meter ran out.

01:26:36.000 And they can drive over there.

01:26:37.000 Oh, so they just go right to it.

01:26:39.000 So it's like hyper-efficient technology to give you tickets.

01:26:42.000 Because imagine like the revenue, right?

01:26:44.000 It's like...

01:26:44.000 Yeah.

01:26:45.000 But that's kind of what I was getting at.

01:26:46.000 That just drives me nuts.

01:26:47.000 That's kind of what I was getting at when I was asking about Hawaii.

01:26:50.000 It's like, there's different kinds of weirdness.

01:26:52.000 There's a different kind of weirdness to live in there.

01:26:54.000 And then there's a weirdness to living here, which is the overpopulation weirdness and the showbiz weirdness.

01:27:00.000 Yeah.

01:27:01.000 Like, what do you prefer?

01:27:03.000 Oh, man.

01:27:04.000 You know, I don't know.

01:27:05.000 I was born and raised in Hawaii.

01:27:07.000 I like the pace.

01:27:09.000 I like that no one gives a shit which school my kids go to or what I drive.

01:27:15.000 No one judges me if I drive a shitty car.

01:27:18.000 Right.

01:27:19.000 Probably like you better.

01:27:20.000 The opposite, yeah.

01:27:21.000 And I just, I don't know, I dig that.

01:27:25.000 People judge me on who I am as a person and what I do and how I, I don't know, I feel just like it's a little bit more, It's just a little bit more real, I guess, and just, you know, more down to earth where I live.

01:27:38.000 But I also don't live in like the, you know, I live in kind of a small town.

01:27:41.000 So it's like coffee farms and ranches and it's pretty chill where I live, you know.

01:27:47.000 Yeah, that's the weirdest thing about the Big Island.

01:27:50.000 I'm a big fan of the Big Island.

01:27:51.000 I love visiting there.

01:27:52.000 But one of the craziest things about it is there's so many different ecosystems in one island.

01:27:57.000 You drive through this one area, it's completely dry.

01:28:00.000 It looks like a desert.

01:28:02.000 Then you go into another area, it's constantly raining.

01:28:04.000 It's like a tropical rainforest, like Hilo, like up in that area.

01:28:08.000 Yeah, it's wild.

01:28:10.000 I don't know, I should look it up, but the Big Island of Hawaii, there's like all these like climate zones, and they always say that, I forget the exact numbers, but it's like out of like these certain sort of climate zones throughout the world, like the Big Island has like 11 of the 13 or something like that.

01:28:27.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:28:28.000 So, like, if you get in your car and drive for, like, two hours, you'll go through, like, if you just, like, happen to, like, go to sleep and wake up, like, 15 minutes later, everything looks different.

01:28:37.000 Go to sleep, wake up 15 minutes later, everything looks different again.

01:28:40.000 It's, like, it changes so much, you know?

01:28:42.000 It's wild.

01:28:43.000 It's, like, lava field and desert and, like, a dryland forest and there's, like, a rainforest and jungle and it's just bizarre.

01:28:52.000 Well, that's the other thing about the Big Island is that there's sometimes snow there.

01:28:56.000 Oh, yeah.

01:28:57.000 We go snowboarding sometimes.

01:28:58.000 What the fuck?

01:29:00.000 Where's that?

01:29:00.000 Yeah, we'll go up and build a kicker and launch off it and drink beer.

01:29:05.000 That's what we'd do when it was snow when I was in high school.

01:29:07.000 We'd drive up there.

01:29:09.000 I try to go every year to the observatory, Keck Observatory, when there's no moon, so you can see the stars, just to freak myself out.

01:29:18.000 Because I went once, many years ago, and it just changed my world.

01:29:23.000 The one experience, it was like literally being on a spaceship.

01:29:26.000 It changed the way I looked at the world.

01:29:29.000 For people who don't know, there's all these light diffusers, these diffused light lamps all around the Big Island so that it doesn't give any light pollution to the Keck Observatory, which is one of the biggest telescopes in the continental United States.

01:29:43.000 It's not the continental United States, right?

01:29:45.000 In the U.S. In the world, I think, even, the Keck Observatory.

01:29:48.000 Yeah, there's crazy clarity and no light pollution there.

01:29:51.000 It's beautiful!

01:29:52.000 You go up there and you see every star.

01:29:54.000 And it just seems like you're on a spaceship.

01:29:58.000 It's like you're on a spaceship and you're looking through a portal.

01:30:00.000 Yeah, that's what it looks like.

01:30:01.000 That's literally what it looks like.

01:30:03.000 And it almost hurts your brain.

01:30:06.000 It's like, is this up there all the time?

01:30:08.000 Not to open a can of worms, but did you follow that whole telescope thing last year on the Big Island?

01:30:14.000 Oh, about the construction?

01:30:15.000 The 30-meter telescope.

01:30:16.000 That they were trying to do, and they said it was sacred land, so they couldn't build it.

01:30:20.000 Yeah, well, explain that.

01:30:21.000 See, you are up on it.

01:30:22.000 That's it.

01:30:23.000 I mean, the land where those telescopes are built, it's considered sacred land by a lot of, I mean, basically every single Hawaiian group that there is.

01:30:34.000 But there's a designated area within that sacred land that is designated for astronomy and all that stuff.

01:30:43.000 But they have all these giant telescopes that are owned by different countries.

01:30:49.000 China has theirs and the US has theirs. 0.96

01:30:51.000 Soviet Union, whatever.

01:30:53.000 All these big countries span all these billions of dollars to make their telescopes, and there are some of them that are completely obsolete, and they're not even being used anymore.

01:31:01.000 So instead of taking those four or five down that they're not even using anymore and building a new big one, they just wanted to build a whole other big one.

01:31:07.000 Huh.

01:31:08.000 So there was a lot, people were up in arms about it and it was going to be the largest building on the big island as well.

01:31:13.000 So people were just up in arms about it and there was all kinds of, you know, people got super activated and really started protesting the whole thing and blocking the road and people were getting arrested and all my friends were involved and everybody was against it and protesting.

01:31:28.000 It was pretty wild.

01:31:29.000 Because they just didn't want the construction to continue and make bigger things.

01:31:32.000 It seems inefficient, right?

01:31:34.000 It seems like they should be able to take down the old ones and put up a more modern one.

01:31:39.000 There was not really any Hawaiian groups that were against the technology and against the space exploration.

01:31:45.000 It wasn't anything about that.

01:31:46.000 It was the fact that it was...

01:31:48.000 They felt like they were being disrespected because it was sacred land that was not meant to build giant observatories there.

01:31:54.000 And the fact that there was all these ones that weren't being used...

01:31:58.000 Jamie, is that in the front?

01:31:59.000 Is that an alarm going off?

01:32:01.000 Is it in the back?

01:32:04.000 Happens around here all the time.

01:32:05.000 Yeah.

01:32:05.000 Anyway, it was a wild time and it was weird because the construction company that was building it, they had the permit already.

01:32:15.000 They had the financing already.

01:32:17.000 And they had the Hawaiian government backing them.

01:32:21.000 I thought it was over.

01:32:22.000 I thought there was no way to stop the thing, and it was amazing.

01:32:26.000 People really got activated through social media, and everybody just got up in arms about it.

01:32:31.000 Everyone around the world knew about it, and they ended up stopping it.

01:32:34.000 That's incredible.

01:32:35.000 It was incredible.

01:32:35.000 I wonder if that's a good thing or a bad thing, because I'm a big fan of space exploration.

01:32:40.000 I'm a big fan of what they find out with these telescopes.

01:32:43.000 Yeah.

01:32:44.000 But it seems like if they have telescopes they're not using anymore, maybe it's just a financial issue where it costs a lot of money to break them down and put a new one in the place and it's not as financially efficient as starting a new one.

01:32:58.000 Well, it's always one of those things where it's like, in Hawaii, everything's sacred unless you have enough money.

01:33:06.000 It's like America in that way.

01:33:07.000 It's like if you want that beachfront house, nope, you can't have it.

01:33:10.000 Oh, you got enough money?

01:33:12.000 No worries.

01:33:12.000 You know, if you're willing to pay like crazy for it, yeah.

01:33:14.000 So if you want to build a observatory on the big island, you can't do it.

01:33:20.000 Unless you have enough money.

01:33:22.000 To put $100 million into the education system in Hawaii and grease all the right politicians and get it all through.

01:33:30.000 A lot has to happen for one of those things to be built.

01:33:33.000 And then the contracts, everyone's fighting over the building contracts because it's going to cost $2.8 billion to build the thing.

01:33:39.000 So there's a lot going on.

01:33:40.000 A lot of crazy politics happening behind the scenes to get that space exploration happening.

01:33:46.000 That's unfortunate.

01:33:47.000 Yeah.

01:33:48.000 And I don't think there's more than 100,000 people on the whole island, right?

01:33:52.000 Right.

01:33:52.000 Yeah, there's more now.

01:33:54.000 How many people live on the island?

01:33:56.000 I think it's roughly between 150 and 200,000 now.

01:34:00.000 And when did that change?

01:34:02.000 It's just slowly going up.

01:34:04.000 A lot of people are moving there, especially to the Kona side where I live.

01:34:07.000 There's a lot more people moving there, like permanently.

01:34:10.000 Man, it looks like a dope place to live.

01:34:13.000 It's a good place to live.

01:34:16.000 Don't move there if you're listening to this.

01:34:18.000 We've got enough people.

01:34:19.000 Damn Howlis. 0.99

01:34:20.000 Are you one of those or you don't count as a Howly? 1.00

01:34:23.000 No, I'm just kidding.

01:34:24.000 Are you one of those?

01:34:25.000 Do you ever get called one of those?

01:34:27.000 Rarely, but I am a Hawley.

01:34:29.000 I have white skin.

01:34:31.000 I don't know.

01:34:34.000 I feel like I'm not from anywhere else.

01:34:37.000 I'm not from New York City or from Afghanistan.

01:34:42.000 But do you know how to talk pigeon?

01:34:44.000 I know how to talk pigeon, yeah.

01:34:46.000 Like, if you were going to say something to Jay, you won't do it?

01:34:49.000 No, you won't do it.

01:34:50.000 You won't do it.

01:34:51.000 It's dangerous.

01:34:52.000 It's dangerous.

01:34:53.000 It's like speaking Ebonics.

01:34:54.000 When I, yeah, when I, I don't speak Pigeon, but when I'm having beers with, with, with, with the, you know, when I'm at home and I'm a couple beers deep, then yeah, it starts like slipping out every now and then, but yeah.

01:35:04.000 Oh, so it's something that you did when you were younger?

01:35:07.000 A little bit, yeah.

01:35:08.000 Just to get along and.

01:35:09.000 Right.

01:35:10.000 It's just, I don't know.

01:35:11.000 It's just, it's very typical to when people, most local people speak Pigeon where I live.

01:35:16.000 Yeah, B.J. Penn was explaining it to me once.

01:35:18.000 And he was saying how you would say things.

01:35:22.000 Some people turn it on and off, but I just speak normal English.

01:35:26.000 Well, it's a cool sound.

01:35:27.000 It sounds cool.

01:35:28.000 It's interesting.

01:35:29.000 It's a very friendly, sort of fun, relaxed way.

01:35:34.000 It's not regal.

01:35:35.000 My parents would have killed me if I spoke in the house.

01:35:40.000 Yeah, it was not cool.

01:35:42.000 Plus, I don't know.

01:35:43.000 I am a white guy.

01:35:45.000 I didn't grow up in a Hawaiian family where everyone spoke pigeons.

01:35:50.000 Did your parents move there?

01:35:51.000 Yeah.

01:35:52.000 My dad was from L.A. My dad was from this town.

01:35:56.000 He went to Hollywood High School, surfed Malibu, and he raced cars, and he was a stuntman.

01:36:02.000 He was a stuntman for Elvis because Elvis couldn't swim.

01:36:05.000 What?

01:36:06.000 Elvis couldn't swim?

01:36:07.000 Elvis couldn't swim.

01:36:09.000 Pills.

01:36:10.000 You'd think that he'd float good because he's all bloated.

01:36:12.000 No kidding, right?

01:36:13.000 That was Fat Elvis.

01:36:14.000 He was in his prime back then.

01:36:17.000 So my dad did a bunch of movies with him, like Blue Hawaii.

01:36:21.000 He had a series of movies that were all filmed in Hawaii, and Elvis couldn't swim, so my dad was the stunt double for all those movies.

01:36:28.000 And he just decided to stay?

01:36:30.000 And he just got sick of LA. Wow.

01:36:33.000 And he hated the parking guys.

01:36:36.000 No, I'm kidding.

01:36:37.000 No, I think he just went to Hawaii and fell in love with it.

01:36:40.000 Yeah.

01:36:41.000 He ended up moving to Oahu and surfed and hung out and met a bunch of local people that he liked.

01:36:47.000 And he liked the lifestyle and how people were there and ended up moving.

01:36:52.000 My mom went to college and she was from Ohio. 0.87

01:36:56.000 And right when she graduated high school, she moved to Hawaii and went to UH. Doesn't Woody Harrelson live in Hawaii?

01:37:03.000 Yeah, that's where all the best weed is. 0.74

01:37:04.000 Really?

01:37:05.000 The best weed?

01:37:06.000 Listen, if there's better weed than what I have, keep it the fuck away from me.

01:37:10.000 Whoever's got better weed, stay away.

01:37:13.000 You can't get any better.

01:37:15.000 I hate when people say that.

01:37:15.000 There's a lot of Hawaiians raising their hands around.

01:37:17.000 People always want to say that.

01:37:18.000 Someone said to me, they were talking about Colorado weed.

01:37:21.000 Is it basically legal?

01:37:22.000 Basically legal.

01:37:23.000 It's pretty casual where I live, I'm sure.

01:37:25.000 But it's not...

01:37:26.000 I hear.

01:37:26.000 Like, if somebody wanted to fuck with you, they could technically...

01:37:29.000 Oh, yeah.

01:37:29.000 Yeah.

01:37:30.000 Yeah.

01:37:30.000 See, that's the thing about, like, Colorado.

01:37:33.000 Colorado's wide open.

01:37:34.000 Yeah.

01:37:34.000 It's just...

01:37:35.000 There's nothing...

01:37:35.000 You just can't.

01:37:36.000 You know?

01:37:37.000 Yeah.

01:37:37.000 It's just...

01:37:37.000 It's just legal.

01:37:38.000 Yeah.

01:37:39.000 And nobody can go to jail.

01:37:40.000 Unless the feds come in, and then you got, like, some...

01:37:42.000 You don't want to fuck with Colorado people.

01:37:44.000 There's a lot of guns in Colorado.

01:37:45.000 That'd be a weird place for the feds to kind of invade.

01:37:48.000 There's a lot of people like that, like Woody Harrelson.

01:37:50.000 I mean, I don't know Woody, but I have friends who know him on Maui and they say he's just chill.

01:37:56.000 He just likes the Hawaii lifestyle, you know?

01:37:59.000 He's a very nice guy by all accounts.

01:38:02.000 I ran into this couple the other day at the Comedy Store and they moved from LA to Hawaii.

01:38:08.000 They live in Maui now.

01:38:10.000 And the girl hates it and the dude loves it.

01:38:13.000 It was interesting talking to them.

01:38:15.000 Because the dude works at a resort there.

01:38:17.000 He's like, it is the fucking best place in the world to live.

01:38:19.000 Everybody's relaxed.

01:38:20.000 It's super cool.

01:38:21.000 The weather's amazing.

01:38:22.000 It's beautiful.

01:38:23.000 And the girl was like, I gotta get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:38:25.000 Yeah.

01:38:26.000 So my wife is, uh, moved from LA to Kona.

01:38:30.000 She went to UCLA and then she worked for Warner Brothers Television.

01:38:34.000 Whoa.

01:38:34.000 Yeah.

01:38:35.000 So she was on the grind.

01:38:37.000 Is that where you met her?

01:38:37.000 You met her around here?

01:38:38.000 No, I met her in San Diego years ago.

01:38:40.000 Like before, like right when she graduated high school and started going to like a little college there. 0.94

01:38:45.000 And you're like, you're coming with me, woman.

01:38:46.000 We're going to a rock in the middle of the ocean.

01:38:48.000 Basically, yeah.

01:38:48.000 I'm moving you to a volcano.

01:38:50.000 Yeah, so she looks like a Hawaiian. 1.00

01:38:51.000 Actually, she's half Japanese. 0.77

01:38:53.000 Oh, that's convenient.

01:38:55.000 So she looks like a local. 0.96

01:38:56.000 So everyone thinks I am the Haole, and she's a local girl.

01:38:59.000 It's pretty funny.

01:39:00.000 So they think you snagged up a good one.

01:39:02.000 I did.

01:39:03.000 But they think you took one of theirs.

01:39:05.000 Yeah, the local girls. 0.97

01:39:07.000 So anyway, but it's funny because...

01:39:10.000 When I asked her to marry me and to move to Hawaii with me, it was like, look, this is where I live.

01:39:18.000 She's not really from anywhere.

01:39:20.000 She was born on the East Coast, lived all over the Midwest.

01:39:23.000 She moved a million different times.

01:39:25.000 Her dad, for his work, was moving all over the place and then went to high school and college in California.

01:39:31.000 When she moved to Hawaii, she moved to LA and she was in the entertainment business.

01:39:35.000 So she went from like 10th gear to 1st gear. 0.86

01:39:38.000 She was like crazy downshift. 1.00

01:39:40.000 So she's like, yeah, it'll be fine.

01:39:41.000 It'll be awesome.

01:39:43.000 I'm like, I'll do whatever it takes.

01:39:45.000 You're the right one.

01:39:45.000 You got to move to Hawaii.

01:39:47.000 We're going to do this whole deal.

01:39:49.000 The family, the life, the whole deal in Hawaii.

01:39:52.000 But she moved there and melted down big time. 1.00

01:39:56.000 Yeah.

01:39:57.000 Oh, yeah.

01:39:58.000 I had these terrifying moments where I thought I was going to have to move to LA. Wow.

01:40:03.000 Yeah.

01:40:04.000 And I would have.

01:40:05.000 I would have done anything for her.

01:40:06.000 And I told her, I'm like, hey, the Hawaii thing doesn't work out.

01:40:09.000 You know, I'll try to move to California.

01:40:11.000 So what was the meltdown over?

01:40:13.000 You know, just, like, her friends, her job, her life was all in LA, right?

01:40:19.000 Yeah.

01:40:19.000 She left everything behind, sacrificed everything, and moved to where I live, where my family is, my friends.

01:40:26.000 And she didn't have any of that, so... 1.00

01:40:28.000 And then, you know, she had a hard time for a while, but as soon as she met a couple friends, then it was all good.

01:40:33.000 And now she couldn't pry her away from the place.

01:40:34.000 Now she loves it where I live.

01:40:36.000 So she's a local girl now.

01:40:38.000 Wow, that's interesting.

01:40:39.000 But it took a while.

01:40:40.000 Until she got friends there, she was like, the whole Hawaii thing was on thin ice.

01:40:46.000 That's how it always is, though, with people.

01:40:48.000 You know, when you move to a new place, it's fucking hard to be alone.

01:40:51.000 It's hard to be lonely.

01:40:51.000 It is.

01:40:52.000 It's lonely.

01:40:52.000 It's hard to meet people that you actually like, too.

01:40:54.000 Oh, yeah.

01:40:55.000 Especially if you're from L.A. and you move to Hawaii.

01:40:57.000 It's like, you know, she's not like a local girl.

01:41:04.000 There's like a typical local girl. 0.99

01:41:08.000 I don't want to get myself in hot water, but she wasn't one of those. 0.99

01:41:10.000 She was, you know, she just had a hard time finding that first good friend.

01:41:15.000 She was Californianized.

01:41:16.000 Yes.

01:41:17.000 Yeah.

01:41:18.000 Well, I would think that, like, activities, like for you surfing, obviously you would meet other surfers, bow hunting, you'd meet other bow hunters, you'd find common ground, you'd make some friends if you had to move to a place like that.

01:41:31.000 But if you don't have like a real obvious thing that you like to do, that other people like to do as well, I would say that would become a real issue.

01:41:39.000 It would.

01:41:40.000 It would because, you know, I think you feel like you lose your identity and that's no way to live.

01:41:45.000 No.

01:41:45.000 You don't want to, like, move somewhere or live some life where you don't really know what's going on or don't know why you're doing what you're doing.

01:41:51.000 For me, it would be super hard to not be around comedians.

01:41:54.000 Yeah.

01:41:54.000 Like, I'm so used to being around fucked up people that make jokes about everything and anything.

01:41:59.000 And comedians are just so unusual in, like, the way they behave.

01:42:03.000 Yeah.

01:42:03.000 And you get used to them.

01:42:04.000 Yeah.

01:42:05.000 It becomes normal.

01:42:06.000 You know, I'm used to being around the comedy store and places like that.

01:42:09.000 And just the sharpness and the quickness and the pace that people's brains work in comedy or even just in L.A., just the pace of how quick people are thinking and talking and acting and being and living.

01:42:23.000 And then you go to a place like Hawaii, it takes most people like three or four or five days or a week to just chill the hell out and relax a little bit.

01:42:31.000 Just unwind.

01:42:32.000 Just on vacation.

01:42:34.000 And that's why the whole...

01:42:36.000 Bowhunting thing. 0.82

01:42:37.000 Like, how good does it feel to just unplug your phone?

01:42:39.000 It feels good.

01:42:40.000 Good.

01:42:40.000 Turn my phone off and leave it behind.

01:42:42.000 And it's just awesome.

01:42:43.000 Doesn't it also feel weird when you're in a place that has no signals?

01:42:47.000 Like, there's nothing going on.

01:42:49.000 There's no phone signal.

01:42:50.000 There's no Wi-Fi.

01:42:51.000 It almost feels like the air feels different.

01:42:53.000 It's the ultimate excuse, though, to why you can't get back to people because I'm terrible.

01:42:59.000 I hate the phone.

01:43:00.000 I hate it with a passion.

01:43:02.000 Text message?

01:43:03.000 Fine.

01:43:03.000 Email?

01:43:04.000 Okay.

01:43:04.000 Phone?

01:43:05.000 No.

01:43:05.000 Don't call me.

01:43:06.000 Oh, actual phone calls?

01:43:08.000 Some people are just way too into constantly interacting with people all the time.

01:43:14.000 I want to communicate when I want to communicate.

01:43:16.000 That's why text messages are so good.

01:43:17.000 It's like you can text someone and when they feel like it, they can answer.

01:43:21.000 It's all good.

01:43:22.000 No, text messages are really good in that way.

01:43:24.000 I used to think text messages were stupid and now I think phone calls are stupid for the most part.

01:43:30.000 Same.

01:43:30.000 Even email.

01:43:31.000 It's also, you don't have enough time with people constantly being on their phone and constantly being connected to things.

01:43:38.000 You don't have enough time where there's reflection, alone time, relaxing time, just thinking about shit.

01:43:45.000 I think, for me at least, that's when I make a lot of my life decisions, like where I want to go or what direction I want to go.

01:43:52.000 When I'm alone and I can just think about what's going on.

01:43:55.000 What's bugging me about my life?

01:43:57.000 Like, this is too busy.

01:43:58.000 This is too much bullshit.

01:43:59.000 This is too much hassle.

01:44:00.000 I need to get the fuck away from that.

01:44:02.000 And when I'm constantly on the grind, I don't think like that.

01:44:06.000 I'm constantly on the grind.

01:44:07.000 I'm like, all right, I got to juggle this, and then this is coming on, and that's coming up next.

01:44:10.000 And that's what's appealing to me about a place like Hawaii.

01:44:14.000 It's like, there's no juggling, man.

01:44:16.000 Yeah.

01:44:17.000 Yeah, it's great.

01:44:19.000 It's a lot for most people though.

01:44:22.000 It's definitely different.

01:44:23.000 It's definitely different.

01:44:25.000 Have you ever done a Backcountry solo bow hunting trip?

01:44:30.000 Not solo, no.

01:44:31.000 You have to.

01:44:32.000 Yeah?

01:44:32.000 You have to do it.

01:44:33.000 I worry about fucking breaking my leg out in the middle of the forest.

01:44:36.000 You have to do it.

01:44:37.000 I have to break my leg?

01:44:38.000 No.

01:44:39.000 Bring a sat phone.

01:44:40.000 Oh, okay.

01:44:41.000 Rent a sat phone.

01:44:42.000 Get a sat phone rental.

01:44:43.000 Boom.

01:44:44.000 You got your sat phone.

01:44:45.000 You can call.

01:44:46.000 You can bring an EPIRB. Bring whatever safety stuff you want.

01:44:48.000 Right.

01:44:49.000 Do five day backcountry by yourself.

01:44:52.000 Yeah?

01:44:53.000 Where do you go when you do those?

01:44:55.000 I do them at home.

01:44:56.000 I do it at home in Hawaii.

01:44:58.000 On Lanai, or do you go somewhere else?

01:45:00.000 No, I do it around my house, where there's vast open spaces where I live, so I can do it.

01:45:05.000 You bring a tent?

01:45:06.000 In a lot of other places, you kind of sort of can't do it.

01:45:09.000 It's very illegal, or the areas aren't large enough to just really get out.

01:45:15.000 But yeah, I do the tent.

01:45:16.000 I do the super ultralight thing.

01:45:18.000 I bring my own water.

01:45:19.000 We're all being a...

01:45:21.000 If there's water in the area, I'll bring a pump.

01:45:22.000 A whole deal.

01:45:23.000 Ultralight bag, ultralight tent, ultralight all my sleeping gear.

01:45:27.000 A lot of times I'll do the bivvy thing where you hunt all day and then you sleep wherever it gets dark.

01:45:32.000 And that's the best.

01:45:33.000 But just what you were saying about being alone to think, finally.

01:45:39.000 It's like, I don't know.

01:45:41.000 It's like we're so used to being entertained all the time.

01:45:45.000 And that's something that people are addicted to.

01:45:47.000 Whether it's your phone or even if me and you went hunting.

01:45:50.000 A lot of time, I'd be your entertainment, or you'd be my entertainment.

01:45:54.000 But when no one's entertaining you, and you're by yourself, and you're just out there, and you're making your own fires, and you're waking up, and you're doing your own hunt, and you're not relying on a guide or a friend, or, okay, I'm gonna hunt over there, you hunt over here, and you're just doing your own thing.

01:46:08.000 And even if you're not even hunting, just being silent, you're not talking to yourself, so you're not talking to anybody.

01:46:13.000 You're not talking on your phone, you're not communicating with anyone.

01:46:16.000 And after four or five days, I did this at home.

01:46:19.000 I did a hunt where I left my house, had my wife drop me off, and I did this long walk over this giant mountain.

01:46:26.000 Bad idea.

01:46:27.000 But it was awesomely fun.

01:46:29.000 And I camped out for like four days and I ended up hurting my leg really bad.

01:46:35.000 I like pulled a muscle behind my knee.

01:46:37.000 And I was planning on going back and having my wife pick me up again. 0.92

01:46:41.000 And halfway there, and normally you have no service in this area.

01:46:46.000 It's like a black zone.

01:46:48.000 And so I hiked to an area where I found service and I couldn't walk back.

01:46:54.000 I was too screwed up.

01:46:56.000 My knee was too screwed up.

01:46:57.000 Anyway, I called my friend who had access to a ranch.

01:47:01.000 At the very top of this ranch, I could walk to it.

01:47:03.000 So it was like another day's walk.

01:47:06.000 A whole day walking.

01:47:07.000 Yeah.

01:47:08.000 With a fucked up leg.

01:47:09.000 Yeah.

01:47:10.000 Slowly walking.

01:47:11.000 And I called him and I said, hey, you know, can you pick me up on Tuesday at the rent?

01:47:17.000 And he's like, yeah, I'm going to be up there anyway.

01:47:18.000 I can come pick you up at the top.

01:47:20.000 And so he picks me up and after five days he got out of the car and he was talking to me like, I'm talking to you.

01:47:28.000 And it sounded like he was yelling at me.

01:47:32.000 Oh, wow.

01:47:32.000 Yeah, it was so weird.

01:47:34.000 I was so used to this silence that it sounded like he was yelling at me.

01:47:39.000 And I was staring at him.

01:47:41.000 I must have been looking at him really weird.

01:47:44.000 But you've got to do it.

01:47:46.000 You've got to be by yourself, totally alone, with no communication for at least three days.

01:47:53.000 Just for experience.

01:47:54.000 Do you know what Adam Greentree is from Australia?

01:47:56.000 Yeah, I do.

01:47:57.000 Yeah, I was hunting with him just maybe a month ago.

01:47:59.000 Oh, okay.

01:48:00.000 Cool.

01:48:00.000 Well, he's a good buddy of mine.

01:48:02.000 We've been bear hunting before and hung out with him in camp.

01:48:05.000 He's a great guy.

01:48:06.000 I hung out with him in Australia when I was there for the UFC, too.

01:48:08.000 He is a killer dude.

01:48:09.000 He's a badass hunter.

01:48:11.000 He's a badass hunter.

01:48:11.000 He's just a badass dude.

01:48:13.000 But he was telling me that when he goes off to these trips, because he does most of his hunt solo, and that's really where he detaches and centers himself, but he says he comes back after being out there for eight or nine days,

01:48:28.000 and he He hasn't said a word in eight or nine days and he says it just feels weird to talk to people.

01:48:34.000 It just feels weird to say words.

01:48:36.000 Yeah, it does.

01:48:38.000 And it's cool, man.

01:48:40.000 It puts a lot of shit in perspective about what you're planning on doing in the next 10 years or what's happening in your life or whatever it is.

01:48:48.000 Not to get deep in here, but it's a trip, man.

01:48:51.000 It really is.

01:48:52.000 I did nine days by myself in Colorado, backcountry, do it yourself.

01:48:57.000 Whoa.

01:48:58.000 In a tent, and it snowed for five of the days.

01:49:00.000 Where'd you go?

01:49:02.000 One time I went kind of in the mountains near Breckenridge.

01:49:06.000 And then another time I went in a mountain range called the Santa de Cristo Mountains.

01:49:11.000 It's in the southern part of the state in some steep shit, some really gnarly stuff.

01:49:16.000 And hiked like eight miles back with my ultralight stuff.

01:49:19.000 Whoa.

01:49:19.000 And I had hunted in that area with a buddy of mine from home the year before.

01:49:23.000 And we planned on going again.

01:49:25.000 And then he kicked out last second because he couldn't make it.

01:49:27.000 So I was just like, screw it.

01:49:28.000 I got a ticket.

01:49:29.000 I got a tag.

01:49:30.000 I'm going by myself.

01:49:31.000 So I rented a sat phone just in case.

01:49:33.000 And I went there and...

01:49:35.000 Like the second day, I walked like eight miles back, like as a bird flies, right?

01:49:39.000 So it's like a really long walk.

01:49:42.000 But that's where the elk were.

01:49:43.000 Meaning, long walk for people to look, what was it as the bird flies?

01:49:46.000 If you go in a straight line, it's eight miles, but you're going up and down and up and down, so it's way more than that.

01:49:51.000 So I parked at like 8,500 feet and camped at 10,500 feet, which is the highest water I could camp at, right?

01:49:58.000 Wow.

01:49:58.000 And the elk were at like 11,500 feet.

01:50:01.000 So it was a lot of hiking, a lot of walking, and...

01:50:04.000 Just being by yourself and then the snow component for somebody from Hawaii.

01:50:08.000 It's like it was snowing every day and I was cooking in my tent and eating and snowing and elk were coming in at night and screaming their guts out.

01:50:16.000 Then there was like a crazy lightning storm and wind storm.

01:50:19.000 I had to pack up my tent in the middle of the night.

01:50:21.000 I thought it was going to blow over.

01:50:22.000 I thought trees were going to hit me.

01:50:23.000 I had to go into like a dense pine forest.

01:50:26.000 And reset up my tent in the middle of the night during a lightning storm.

01:50:28.000 I had to call my wife in the middle of the night and like, you know, let her know exactly where I was just in case the shit hit the fan.

01:50:35.000 But that type of stuff is, um, you know, a lot of bears in that area and lions and a lot of shit.

01:50:40.000 So, um, those types of experience for, I didn't ever had those kinds of experiences before I started hunting ever.

01:50:46.000 I never saw that, that kind of country.

01:50:49.000 I never, I never put myself in those kinds of situations.

01:50:51.000 And, and, Until I found bow hunting, that's the reason.

01:50:56.000 I was never like, I'm going to go hiking.

01:50:57.000 I'm not a hiker.

01:50:58.000 I need to have a purpose when I'm hiking, right?

01:51:00.000 So I'm basically like a hiker with a bow these days, and that's what gets me out to these kind of places and had some of the best experiences of my life just because I found bow hunting.

01:51:11.000 Well, those woods and where you're going, these places where you're not going to run into any other people, there's a feeling that you get from those environments.

01:51:21.000 It's almost like a loneliness in a way.

01:51:27.000 There's awe, right?

01:51:28.000 Because it's so beautiful and so incredible.

01:51:30.000 But it's also humbling in a bunch of different ways.

01:51:34.000 One of the ways it's humbling is because this woods doesn't give a fuck about you.

01:51:38.000 If you die, it's like, so what?

01:51:40.000 Grizzlies keep fucking eating, elk keep having sex, and screaming their heads off, and birds keep flying, and that's just how we've always done it, dude. 1.00

01:51:49.000 Sorry you didn't make it.

01:51:50.000 Yeah, that's exactly right.

01:51:51.000 It doesn't care.

01:51:52.000 And you're alone, like, alone, alone.

01:51:55.000 Like, the dark night seems darker.

01:51:57.000 Yeah.

01:51:58.000 You know, the silence seems more silent.

01:52:00.000 Oh yeah, way more.

01:52:01.000 You know, you get back to your tent and it's dark.

01:52:03.000 Well, it's a big perspective enhancer.

01:52:05.000 Yeah, it is.

01:52:07.000 I went to Prince of Wales last year.

01:52:09.000 We hunted on Prince of Wales Island outside of Alaska.

01:52:12.000 It's fucking rained every day.

01:52:14.000 Yeah.

01:52:14.000 Just miserable every day.

01:52:16.000 Bears?

01:52:16.000 Moose?

01:52:17.000 We were hunting deer.

01:52:18.000 We were hunting Sitka Blacktail.

01:52:19.000 Very cool.

01:52:20.000 But unsuccessful.

01:52:22.000 We didn't.

01:52:22.000 We struck out.

01:52:23.000 But when we came back...

01:52:25.000 I heard it's hard.

01:52:25.000 It's real hard.

01:52:26.000 There's not a lot of them.

01:52:27.000 Where we were, we fucked up.

01:52:30.000 We got to a place where they had already moved down towards the water, and we were up high.

01:52:34.000 Were you with Cam on that hunt?

01:52:36.000 No, that was with Rinella.

01:52:37.000 That was for the Meat Eater show.

01:52:39.000 But one of the things about it was that feeling of like, almost like a sadness, like so beautiful and gorgeous.

01:52:46.000 Like, it would rain every day, but every now and then the sun would come up.

01:52:48.000 And when the sun would come up, the sun would hit this incredible green.

01:52:53.000 It was like illuminating, like it was lit up.

01:52:59.000 We got back after seven days of this, or however many days it were, six days, and everything in LA seemed so nice.

01:53:08.000 It was so warm and beautiful, and I just loved it.

01:53:12.000 I was so happy.

01:53:13.000 And I called Ranella up, and I was like, dude, I don't think I've ever been happier in my life.

01:53:17.000 Like, I'm so happy, and it's because I was so miserable for those days.

01:53:21.000 Yeah.

01:53:22.000 And that's another perspective enhancer, to realize, like, you're so goddamn lucky you have a roof overhead, and that, you know, you can listen to the radio in your car, and that you can get around, and it's easy, and you can talk to people on your phone.

01:53:37.000 When you're out in just the woods, woods, no cell phone service, no nothing, there's nothing.

01:53:42.000 Yeah.

01:53:43.000 No Amazon packages coming to your house and food delivery.

01:53:47.000 Nothing.

01:53:47.000 No pizza.

01:53:48.000 You can't order pizza.

01:53:49.000 There's fucking nothing, man.

01:53:50.000 We brought some food with us and that is what we ate because we struck out.

01:53:54.000 And the cold, man.

01:53:55.000 Yeah.

01:53:56.000 And the wet.

01:53:57.000 The wet.

01:53:58.000 Yeah.

01:53:59.000 Until you've been head to toe soaking wet in your boots and your socks and your pants and your rain gear and everything that's supposed to keep you warm and safe from the elements is soaked to the bone.

01:54:11.000 And it's getting cold.

01:54:12.000 That's gnarly, man.

01:54:13.000 Well, that's also where you appreciate really good gear, too.

01:54:16.000 Like merino wool.

01:54:17.000 That's right.

01:54:17.000 You know, wool is a weird cloth in that, like, if you have cotton on and you get wet, you're fucked.

01:54:25.000 But if you have wool on and you get wet, the wool actually retains the heat.

01:54:30.000 So you could be wet and still warm.

01:54:32.000 Yeah.

01:54:33.000 Which is really unusual and hard for people to understand if you've never worn wool.

01:54:38.000 Well, that's when the right gear, you know, there's a lot of hunts that you don't really need the right gear for some hunting.

01:54:46.000 But in that backcountry stuff or in real steep mountains or stuff where you have to walk far, if your shoes are wet and your socks are wet, you're going to get the gnarliest blisters and you won't be able to walk anywhere.

01:54:55.000 That's why I'm really fascinated by companies like Kuyu that spend all this time developing the most technical gear, like the lightest weight, the best at absorbing wind for their tents.

01:55:08.000 And they go through great lengths to engineer their products to make sure that it's just...

01:55:14.000 I mean, it's a giant company that just makes ultralight gear for hunting.

01:55:18.000 It's kind of crazy that there's a company like that.

01:55:21.000 Yeah, but you can see why when you go in the backcountry hunt and you don't have the right gear, that's the last kind of hunting you're going to do like that.

01:55:28.000 It's like a survival thing.

01:55:29.000 How did you figure out what stuff to bring and what stuff not to bring?

01:55:33.000 Did you read up or did you do trial or error?

01:55:37.000 Right when I got into bow hunting, I got bored of feeding pigs and having them come to my house and having them come to my tree stand.

01:55:45.000 I got bored of that pretty quick.

01:55:47.000 It was super fun at first, and I loved it.

01:55:50.000 It was really good learning, and it was a blast building tree stands by myself.

01:55:55.000 But I super quickly got bored of that and wanted to do something else.

01:55:59.000 I wanted to go walk in the mountains all day long.

01:56:01.000 I ordered Cameron Haynes' Backcountry Bowhunting book.

01:56:05.000 This is right when I started hunting.

01:56:07.000 I had no idea who Cameron Haynes was and I just was geeking out on everything hunting.

01:56:12.000 I did some research, found that book, ordered it.

01:56:14.000 It changed my life.

01:56:17.000 It's funny because I told Cameron that.

01:56:20.000 I told him that I got his book and it fully inspired me.

01:56:25.000 I ordered the ultralight tent, the right one.

01:56:28.000 I did all this research on which one to get, which one was lightest, which one was the driest, which one was the best to cook in, which one had the biggest vestibule.

01:56:36.000 I ordered the right stove and all the right ultralight Plates and forks and camp cups and sleeping bags and the little towel that packs up tiny and the pillow that packs up tiny and the right backpack and all that stuff.

01:56:53.000 It's funny because when you're shaving ounces it really adds up.

01:56:59.000 It's like a difference between an 80 pound pack and a 40 pound pack if you get the right gear.

01:57:03.000 Yeah.

01:57:04.000 Jason Hairston, the owner of Kuyu, he makes a spreadsheet where he weighs every single thing he's bringing.

01:57:13.000 And he packs it up and he weighs what's in each pack and what he needs for each.

01:57:19.000 And he has this Excel spreadsheet of all the different stuff.

01:57:23.000 And that's how seriously people take it.

01:57:25.000 Especially sheep hunting and things along those lines.

01:57:28.000 I got so geeked out on the ultralight thing that I started looking at all of ultralight hiking websites and getting all the tips.

01:57:37.000 Instead of just bringing a little spork, one of those little sporks, the ultralight sporks, you'd cut your fork in half.

01:58:04.000 I'm a manly man.

01:58:06.000 I can carry a fucking toothbrush handle.

01:58:08.000 It's funny though because it all adds up.

01:58:10.000 You know, you don't think you need that much stuff to go on a backcountry hunt, but a lot of times you put every single thing you're going to put in that pack and it's a lot of stuff.

01:58:17.000 Right.

01:58:18.000 And to shave those ounces down means then you can bring like a better tent, a better sleeping bag.

01:58:22.000 Right.

01:58:23.000 You can add up some more ounces on the other side.

01:58:24.000 I am a big eater, so I bring a lot of food.

01:58:27.000 Right.

01:58:28.000 Yeah.

01:58:28.000 And water.

01:58:29.000 Now, do you weigh out your food?

01:58:32.000 Do you make sure that you have intense, calorie-dense food?

01:58:36.000 Yeah.

01:58:36.000 What kind of stuff do you bring with you when you go on a backcountry hunt?

01:58:40.000 Oh man, stuff you get bored of quick.

01:58:43.000 I bring nuts, like macadamia nuts and almonds and pecans and cheese and jerky and stuff like that.

01:58:53.000 Especially if there's water, that's a game changer.

01:58:55.000 If there's water where you're going to be or even anywhere near where you're going to be, they'll bring a stove every time with oatmeal and freeze-dried meals like mountain house meals.

01:59:02.000 Those are insane.

01:59:04.000 Do you ever try dehydrated?

01:59:06.000 Yeah, those are the same ones.

01:59:08.000 But they're dehydrated and freeze-dried.

01:59:10.000 The dehydrated is apparently lighter.

01:59:12.000 That's why people are gravitating towards dehydrated now.

01:59:16.000 Gotcha.

01:59:17.000 Those mountain houses are so light.

01:59:18.000 I don't know how anything could be lighter than that.

01:59:20.000 While you're shaving the handle off your toothbrush, son.

01:59:22.000 That's right.

01:59:22.000 Maybe they take up less space, too.

01:59:24.000 Yeah, I think that is what they're saying.

01:59:26.000 Yeah, it takes up less space.

01:59:27.000 Yeah, but there's certain things that I can't skimp on, like food.

01:59:31.000 Right.

01:59:31.000 But you know what's really good is when you, like before I do a hunt like that, I'll make like two panfuls of bacon.

01:59:38.000 And I'll make it all up.

01:59:40.000 And then I'll bring that.

01:59:41.000 And it's like, that's my treat at lunch.

01:59:42.000 I'll have a couple pieces of bacon.

01:59:44.000 Doesn't it go bad?

01:59:45.000 No, it kind of doesn't.

01:59:47.000 It doesn't.

01:59:48.000 How long does bacon last?

01:59:50.000 Once you cook it, it depends where you hunt.

01:59:52.000 Also, if you're hunting in Arizona in the summer, then maybe, or somewhere by the beach in Hawaii, it'd probably go bad.

01:59:58.000 But in a normal hunt, if your stuff doesn't get super hot, no, it's fine.

02:00:02.000 How long has cooked bacon last?

02:00:04.000 You know, I got that idea, I think, from Cameron Haynes' book.

02:00:07.000 Oh, yeah?

02:00:07.000 Because they would make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with bacon in it.

02:00:09.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:10.000 And so I would do that.

02:00:12.000 I don't know how long it lasts, but don't tell me if it's...

02:00:14.000 But I'd bring it for like a five-day hunt, no worries.

02:00:17.000 And you'd bake in at least the first three days.

02:00:18.000 Once you start getting diarrhea, then you cut back.

02:00:21.000 Exactly.

02:00:22.000 But, what was I going to say?

02:00:24.000 Oh, because, I don't know, I just crave the fats.

02:00:27.000 It's like I'm eating all these nuts and bars.

02:00:31.000 Nuts and bars, nuts and bars, nuts and bars.

02:00:33.000 And all I want is fat, like grease.

02:00:35.000 Well, when you're doing heavy-duty climbing and things along those lines and going up and down mountains, that is what you crave.

02:00:41.000 Yeah.

02:00:41.000 Like, you're not into carbohydrates.

02:00:43.000 You're into fats.

02:00:44.000 Yeah.

02:00:44.000 Your body's like, we need something calorie-dense.

02:00:47.000 Oh, yeah.

02:00:47.000 And then when I leave hunting, when I leave the mountains, like, say I go to Colorado and I hunt for a week, and I'm like...

02:00:54.000 I lose 10 pounds and get all super skinny and like mountain man style.

02:00:58.000 I get out of there and I just want like a bacon double cheeseburger or like a big giant, not like the kind of the fast food place, but like a big, like a third pound burger with a ton of bacon on it with like blue cheese and avocados on it.

02:01:08.000 Yeah, just massive fat.

02:01:10.000 And just go giant and just blow myself sky high with this giant thing of fries and Yeah, so that's always what I crave.

02:01:17.000 Well, the amount of calories that you're burning when you're climbing up and down mountains all the time, it's insane.

02:01:22.000 It's thousands of calories a day.

02:01:23.000 You literally have to keep stuffing your face just to maintain your body mass.

02:01:28.000 Yeah, you do.

02:01:30.000 Well, if you're a person who is...

02:01:33.000 Doing this on a regular basis.

02:01:35.000 I mean you would get really good at preparing for these things.

02:01:38.000 So you must have like undergone like a transformation where you started off sort of kind of like trying to figure it out and then as you got better and better and better you got more and more streamlined in your approach.

02:01:51.000 Do you feel like you have it down to like a science now if you want to do something like that?

02:01:55.000 With what, the actual backcountry hunt or the actual hunting itself?

02:01:58.000 Well, all the stuff, your packing, your plan.

02:02:01.000 Do you ever use Google Maps?

02:02:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:02:03.000 That's pretty cool that you can do that now.

02:02:04.000 It's incredible on your phone these days.

02:02:05.000 Yeah.

02:02:06.000 Yeah.

02:02:06.000 It's amazing.

02:02:07.000 Well, what people do, if you don't know, they...

02:02:11.000 Find an area, like say if you draw a tag for an area, you get an overhead, this is not for you, for people listening, obviously, but you get an overhead, Google Earth will give you, it'll show you where the peaks and valleys are, and it's amazing.

02:02:24.000 It shows you the canyons, it shows you water sources, and you see from a satellite image, so you can literally see elk, like sometimes, on Google Earth, which is incredible.

02:02:34.000 Yeah.

02:02:35.000 And you can get back to your camp much quicker.

02:02:38.000 Shave a lot of time.

02:02:39.000 Don't get lost in the dark.

02:02:41.000 You can get to your water source way quicker and it's really efficient.

02:02:44.000 But then you need to bring batteries for your phone or some solar panel.

02:02:50.000 But I haven't really found a super efficient solar panel that'll charge up your phone and your stuff that fast.

02:02:54.000 Yeah, especially when you're in the woods.

02:02:56.000 You're not getting a lot of sunlight there.

02:02:57.000 It always seems like it doesn't work as good as you hope, but...

02:03:00.000 Yeah, they're getting better at those things.

02:03:02.000 They're getting, I mean, if you're in Arizona, you know, and you're in the, like, mule deer hunting in the desert, you got a great shot at charging up your shot.

02:03:10.000 And you can leave it in one place for, like, a few hours just sitting there in the sun, yeah, for sure.

02:03:14.000 But as far as the hunting goes, like, I've gotten better at, like, the planning and the backcountry gear, but that's all, like, I think you learn that pretty quick.

02:03:23.000 But you find out if you're a shitty hunter right away because you come home with no meat all the time, right?

02:03:28.000 It's very easy.

02:03:30.000 It's like finding out if you're good at the stock market.

02:03:32.000 You know right away.

02:03:33.000 You get that feedback.

02:03:34.000 You lose a bunch of money all the time, right?

02:03:36.000 It's the same thing with bow hunting.

02:03:37.000 I love going hunting because I didn't grow up in a hunting family.

02:03:40.000 I have no background in it when I was young.

02:03:42.000 So I don't have those...

02:03:44.000 The instincts that someone would have.

02:03:46.000 I have really good friends that grew up with a bow in their hand.

02:03:50.000 And their dad did.

02:03:50.000 And their grandpa did.

02:03:51.000 And their great grandpa did.

02:03:52.000 Actually, one family in particular.

02:03:54.000 But they're so good at bow hunting.

02:03:57.000 I love bow hunting with those guys.

02:03:58.000 Guys like Adam Greentree.

02:04:01.000 Guys like my buddy Justin at home.

02:04:03.000 My friend Jason...

02:04:04.000 On Lanai, who hunts Axis deer.

02:04:06.000 They're like half deer, half human.

02:04:10.000 They know how to hunt, how to kill, when to move, how fast you can move, when to slow down, when to run.

02:04:18.000 It's just, I love it.

02:04:19.000 I'm absolutely obsessed with trying to learn to get better at it.

02:04:23.000 Have you taken any archery lessons?

02:04:27.000 How did you learn how to shoot correctly?

02:04:31.000 I didn't.

02:04:32.000 I learned how to shoot terribly.

02:04:33.000 Ever since I've been trying to correct it.

02:04:36.000 Still?

02:04:37.000 Now I'll shoot with guys who are really good archers.

02:04:40.000 They'll help me.

02:04:43.000 I've done a lot of work with that.

02:04:46.000 My effective range is still 50 yards.

02:04:48.000 I've tried for a long time.

02:04:50.000 For 13 years?

02:04:51.000 Yeah, I've tried really hard.

02:04:53.000 Now when you practice, how far do you practice?

02:04:55.000 I can kill a target at 70. No worries.

02:04:58.000 But it's so different.

02:05:00.000 Guys like Cam say that to shoot 60, you should be shooting 120 all the time.

02:05:05.000 To be able to be effective at 60, you should be shooting 120. Because of the pressure and the nerves?

02:05:09.000 Yeah, there's a difference between a target and an animal.

02:05:11.000 It's so totally different.

02:05:13.000 It's also the way you shoot too, right?

02:05:15.000 Do you use a trigger or a using...

02:05:18.000 I use a thumb release.

02:05:19.000 So you're using back tension?

02:05:20.000 I use a lot of back tension, yeah.

02:05:21.000 Right.

02:05:21.000 And what kind of release are you using?

02:05:23.000 I got target panic.

02:05:24.000 Have you ever heard of that?

02:05:24.000 Sure.

02:05:25.000 Yeah, that's why I asked you.

02:05:26.000 It sucks.

02:05:27.000 Yeah.

02:05:27.000 You do not want to get that.

02:05:29.000 But I hunted for years, and then recently, my friend was filming, and as I would shoot, I would punch a trigger like crazy, and I didn't even realize I was doing it.

02:05:39.000 And it got worse and worse, to the point where I ended up giving my releases away and stopped hunting for about four months.

02:05:45.000 And all I did was go and shoot.

02:05:46.000 I put this target right outside my front door, like a hanging bag target, and I would...

02:05:51.000 I'd walk up to it, draw my bow like one foot away from it and just practice releasing over and over and over.

02:05:56.000 With your eyes closed?

02:05:57.000 With my eyes closed.

02:05:58.000 So I wouldn't focus on any aiming or anything.

02:06:01.000 It was like a psychology thing where you have to break it down all down into the perfect release.

02:06:06.000 Yeah, that's called blind bail shooting for people who don't know.

02:06:09.000 And what it is is impact bracing.

02:06:12.000 Your mind gets used to the feeling of the bow going off, and so you brace for it.

02:06:17.000 And when you do that, you start to develop these sort of patterns where you're anticipating the shot.

02:06:22.000 That's crazy.

02:06:22.000 And it can really fuck your head up.

02:06:24.000 It really can.

02:06:24.000 And I couldn't, it got so bad to where I couldn't put my pin On the animal and my finger on the trigger without punching it.

02:06:32.000 I couldn't do both.

02:06:33.000 I had to put my pin off the animal, and then my finger could go on the trigger.

02:06:39.000 It was really weird.

02:06:39.000 It got extreme.

02:06:40.000 And then once the pin is near the animal, then you just, ah!

02:06:44.000 You just hit it.

02:06:44.000 I get really nervous.

02:06:45.000 Yeah, it was really bizarre.

02:06:47.000 And this is weird because you're such a, I mean, you're a bad motherfucker.

02:06:51.000 You're dealing with giant waves.

02:06:53.000 Shouldn't happen.

02:06:54.000 Yeah, you're fucking surfing 50 foot high waves.

02:06:57.000 If someone told me that was going to happen to me, I would have just, I would have bet my life savings against it.

02:07:01.000 I'm totally not that guy that like freaks out and like gets panicked out loud.

02:07:05.000 Like stuff like that, especially like a pin on a bow.

02:07:07.000 Yeah, like what?

02:07:08.000 Give me a break.

02:07:09.000 Yeah.

02:07:09.000 And, man, I had to work through it for a little while.

02:07:12.000 There's people who, like, give up archery altogether.

02:07:14.000 Oh, yeah.

02:07:15.000 Super common.

02:07:16.000 Yeah.

02:07:17.000 I've read a lot about it.

02:07:18.000 It's because I'm terrified of it.

02:07:19.000 Yeah.

02:07:20.000 Don't even worry about it.

02:07:21.000 Just do your thing and keep hunting the way you're doing.

02:07:23.000 Well, I've learned how to shoot with back tension, so I get a surprise shot all the time.

02:07:28.000 I don't use a trigger.

02:07:29.000 But Cam just uses triggers.

02:07:31.000 But he worked through it, too.

02:07:32.000 Everybody works through it.

02:07:33.000 Yeah.

02:07:34.000 When you learned how to use a thumb trigger and use back tension, is it something you got from YouTube videos, or did you have someone show you how to do it?

02:07:44.000 Yeah, I had a friend show me how to do it.

02:07:45.000 I have a really good friend from Spain.

02:07:47.000 His name is Pedro.

02:07:49.000 I don't know if you know him.

02:07:49.000 He's super, super cool.

02:07:50.000 Oh, Pedro from Spain.

02:07:51.000 Yeah, Pedro from Spain.

02:07:52.000 No, I don't know who that guy is.

02:07:53.000 There's a few of them in Spain.

02:07:55.000 That's what I heard.

02:07:55.000 There's a few Pedro's down there.

02:07:57.000 A couple of Jose's too.

02:07:58.000 Anyway, he's a badass bow hunter.

02:07:59.000 Yeah.

02:07:59.000 Badass, yeah.

02:08:00.000 And really good archer.

02:08:01.000 So he suggested, you know, like a back tension release.

02:08:06.000 Let me explain for people who have no idea what we're talking about.

02:08:11.000 There's a type of release that has, when you sort of set your thumb on it, but you don't squeeze it with your thumb.

02:08:18.000 What you do is you fully...

02:08:19.000 Most people aren't even going to know what a release is.

02:08:20.000 Right.

02:08:21.000 It's something that connects to the string on your bow.

02:08:23.000 It actually connects to what's called a D-loop, which connects to the string.

02:08:27.000 There you go.

02:08:27.000 There's a bunch of...

02:08:28.000 Well, those are back tension releases.

02:08:29.000 Well, those are like real back tension releases where very few people ever use those for hunting.

02:08:35.000 But, like, what kind of release do you use?

02:08:37.000 What brand?

02:08:37.000 I think it's a Carter release.

02:08:39.000 Yeah, I do too.

02:08:40.000 I use a Carter.

02:08:41.000 But it's mainly back tension.

02:08:43.000 Yeah, exactly like that.

02:08:44.000 I'll put my thumb around the trigger, and then I'll just keep pulling until it goes off.

02:08:48.000 Right.

02:08:49.000 It goes off when you never know when it's going off.

02:08:51.000 So because of that, you're not anticipating it.

02:08:55.000 But it keeps coming back.

02:08:56.000 In a situation where I'm hunting, when I'm 25 yards and I get full draw on a deer...

02:09:01.000 And it's perfectly broadside.

02:09:03.000 I have this overwhelming feeling like it wants to move.

02:09:05.000 And now I've sort of trained myself to slowly squeeze.

02:09:10.000 Squeeze and pull.

02:09:11.000 So that makes it go quicker.

02:09:13.000 They say you should have a mantra in your head as well.

02:09:16.000 That you should have a bunch of things you say, like line it up and release the air.

02:09:21.000 That you have to have...

02:09:22.000 Like some sort of a thing that you put in your head.

02:09:25.000 You probably shouldn't say release the arrow.

02:09:27.000 What's yours?

02:09:27.000 Execute the shot.

02:09:29.000 Do you have one?

02:09:30.000 Yeah, line it up and execute the shot.

02:09:31.000 That's what I say.

02:09:32.000 Line it up, execute the shot.

02:09:34.000 Yeah.

02:09:35.000 You know what I do?

02:09:36.000 Stay calm too.

02:09:37.000 That's the other one I say.

02:09:37.000 Stay calm.

02:09:38.000 That's a good one.

02:09:39.000 Breathe.

02:09:40.000 Yeah.

02:09:40.000 Breathe.

02:09:43.000 I do that thing where I spell lock.

02:09:48.000 So, as I'm settling, you know, I get to full draw, I get my anchor, I start settling the pin, and I look at my bubble level, and once my little checklist is online, and I'm on the animal, as soon as I feel like my pin starts to relax and steady...

02:10:06.000 I spell the word lock and squeeze at the same time.

02:10:08.000 Oh, I like that.

02:10:09.000 I might steal that.

02:10:10.000 You know what else you're going to like?

02:10:11.000 This is my friend Jeff who basically taught me how to bow hunt.

02:10:17.000 Jeff Lee, the guy's a legend.

02:10:19.000 He's awesome.

02:10:21.000 He told me that when he's a full draw, right before he pulls the trigger, he says, you're gonna die, motherfucker.

02:10:27.000 Whoa, that's deep.

02:10:29.000 I don't know if I like that one.

02:10:30.000 But he told me...

02:10:31.000 But he's not like that.

02:10:32.000 He's not like that.

02:10:33.000 Like, you would never think that.

02:10:34.000 He's not like a... 0.98

02:10:35.000 He's totally not bloodthirsty.

02:10:37.000 He's a super ethical hunter.

02:10:38.000 He just goes, man, it's a psychological thing.

02:10:41.000 He goes, if you...

02:10:43.000 Are hoping you're going to hit that animal.

02:10:45.000 When that arrow goes off, if you're hoping, you're not going to hit him, you're not going to kill him.

02:10:50.000 It's not going to be an efficient, ethical shot.

02:10:52.000 But he goes, if you truly believe that you're there to kill that animal, and that animal's going to die right then, it's a huge piece of the puzzle.

02:11:01.000 Yeah, there's a website called Iron Mind Hunting.

02:11:04.000 Have you ever heard of this?

02:11:06.000 I think, I forget his name, Joel something or another.

02:11:09.000 But he suffered through target panic himself, and he's a SWAT guy, and a police officer, and developed a whole system, understanding the impact bracing, and a whole system.

02:11:21.000 I haven't read it.

02:11:22.000 He's got a book on it, and he's got, there it is.

02:11:25.000 And he's got Joel Turner, and he's got a whole website dedicated to controlling target panic and developing a whole system.

02:11:34.000 Yeah, I have to check it out, too.

02:11:35.000 And it's one of those things where, you know, no matter how long you've been doing it, it's possible that this shit could creep into your brain, which is weird.

02:11:43.000 Like, people have been successful hunting for years and years, and then all of a sudden they get target panic, and they're fucked.

02:11:49.000 Almost everybody you meet who's bowhunted for a couple decades has had it.

02:11:54.000 Almost everybody.

02:11:56.000 Everybody from Randy Ulmer to everybody.

02:11:58.000 Yeah, Randy Ulmer has a couple of good videos on how to handle it too.

02:12:02.000 And he says you should use a back tension release to get used to it.

02:12:06.000 Or a hinge release, and what that is for the people who don't understand what we're talking about, there's another type of release that doesn't have a trigger at all.

02:12:13.000 And what you do is you draw back, and just by moving your hand, you're sort of curling your pinky down and making a fist, it goes off, but you never know when it's going off.

02:12:22.000 It goes off completely unanticipated, and that helps you deal with this tension issue.

02:12:32.000 Fucking mindfuck.

02:12:33.000 Yeah, but I got over the hump and I'm back.

02:12:36.000 You're back.

02:12:37.000 I've had a good 2016 so far.

02:12:38.000 Yes.

02:12:39.000 Feels good, right?

02:12:41.000 It feels good, dude.

02:12:42.000 As I was panicking about the panic for a while.

02:12:45.000 And this year started off good.

02:12:47.000 I've done quite a bit of hunting.

02:12:48.000 I went hunting for fallow deer with Remy in New Zealand and had just an absolute ball.

02:12:54.000 Killed a great buck.

02:12:56.000 I saw some pictures.

02:12:57.000 Really cool terrain.

02:12:58.000 You're using that crazy quivalizer thing too, right?

02:13:01.000 Where it's a stabilizer.

02:13:02.000 I tried that for a while, but it kept getting loose on me.

02:13:04.000 Oh, really?

02:13:05.000 Yeah, it was wiggling around too much.

02:13:07.000 I didn't have that problem.

02:13:08.000 It seemed to tighten it down too much.

02:13:09.000 And it worked really good for that hunt, that specific hunt.

02:13:11.000 But we hunted in this awesome terrain with these crazy rocks and cliffs.

02:13:15.000 There was not one bush.

02:13:16.000 There was no bushes there.

02:13:18.000 There's no trees in this area.

02:13:20.000 It was just like you had to use the rocky...

02:13:24.000 The rocky outcroppings and just the basic terrain features to get close and we ended up sneaking down on this bedded group of deer that was at the base of this cliff.

02:13:33.000 Go to Ben O'Brien's Instagram.

02:13:37.000 What is his Instagram?

02:13:38.000 It was such a steep...

02:13:39.000 It was such a steep downhill shot that I had to like, you know, when you're shooting downhill, you got to bend at the waist.

02:13:45.000 You can't just aim down.

02:13:46.000 Right.

02:13:46.000 You don't miss.

02:13:47.000 Right.

02:13:48.000 And so I had to remember all that stuff in the moment.

02:13:50.000 It was just a really technical shot and a technical stock.

02:13:52.000 It was really a lot of fun.

02:13:54.000 Well, Ben took a photo.

02:13:55.000 The reason why I said go to Ben's Instagram, because he took a, it's Benny O'Bee or something like that.

02:13:59.000 Yeah.

02:14:01.000 He has a photo of you doing it where it literally looks like you're shooting from the top of a building down to the first floor.

02:14:08.000 Yeah, it's a crazy picture.

02:14:10.000 Yeah, and that's the kind of practice that you'd never do.

02:14:13.000 A lot of people don't set their target at the bottom of a cliff and stand at the top.

02:14:17.000 And it's really different.

02:14:19.000 Or shooting up either.

02:14:20.000 Yeah.

02:14:20.000 Either one of those.

02:14:36.000 Fallow deer mainly.

02:14:37.000 There was a couple red stags around too.

02:14:39.000 But that was a ball.

02:14:40.000 We had a lot, a lot of fun.

02:14:42.000 He's trying to get me to go hunt water buffaloes with him.

02:14:44.000 I'm like, fuck you.

02:14:46.000 He's been trying to get me to do that too.

02:14:48.000 These things are giant fucking murderous beasts.

02:14:52.000 Yeah.

02:14:52.000 That's not the part.

02:14:54.000 To me, I love hunting in the mountains where it's cold and beautiful and I'm looking at a big valley or over the ocean in Hawaii where you can see the ocean and the whitecaps and boats going by.

02:15:07.000 It's just beautiful, right?

02:15:08.000 Beautiful wilderness.

02:15:10.000 Where those bulls live, it's like...

02:15:13.000 50 million flies on you and mosquitoes and a swamp and it's like there's snakes and slugs and spiders.

02:15:20.000 How about crocodiles?

02:15:21.000 And it's 100 degrees and crocs.

02:15:25.000 Yeah.

02:15:26.000 And it's, phew, man, it's like...

02:15:29.000 I turn into a little pussy when it comes to those kind of conditions. 1.00

02:15:31.000 I turn into a little pussy when I look at pictures of it. 0.92

02:15:33.000 Yeah.

02:15:33.000 He's like, you gotta come do the buff thing, mate.

02:15:35.000 You gotta come do it, mate.

02:15:36.000 I'm like, mmm.

02:15:37.000 Sure thing.

02:15:38.000 I will for sure.

02:15:39.000 Good luck with all that.

02:15:40.000 Him and Cam Haynes went, they brought no food, and they brought no water.

02:15:44.000 They said, mate, we're gonna do it the right way.

02:15:46.000 So they go out there, and they were bathing in this fucking lake that they didn't realize had crocodiles in it.

02:15:53.000 So they were up to their neck, cooling themselves off, and then later on found out that crocodiles had slipped into this lake.

02:15:59.000 So they easily could have gotten eaten.

02:16:01.000 Yeah.

02:16:02.000 I mean, these are some of the biggest fucking crocodiles in the world that live right there.

02:16:06.000 Fuck that.

02:16:08.000 I was hunting with another buddy in Australia, and we were hunting in an area that had crocodiles.

02:16:12.000 And every day we had to cross a couple little areas that had water.

02:16:17.000 And I just, I didn't even think about it because I'm not like, I'm not around crocodiles, right?

02:16:22.000 And he just, after the first day, he didn't really worry about it too much.

02:16:25.000 After we crossed, he goes, hey, if I'm not with you tomorrow and you cross here, make sure you throw a bunch of rocks in the water right there to make sure there's no crocodiles.

02:16:33.000 Because if they, if a human passes by an area where there's crocodiles over and over and over, they pattern them and they will sit there and wait.

02:16:42.000 For that human to cross again and get you. 1.00

02:16:45.000 Oh, fuck that.

02:16:46.000 So they're super intelligent hunters.

02:16:48.000 Fuck that.

02:16:48.000 So that's what they do.

02:16:49.000 They actually wait for whether it's a rabbit going by every day or a human or whatever it is, a dog, a cat, and they will sit there and wait just underwater.

02:16:57.000 And when you go by, that's when they strike.

02:17:00.000 Such an efficient animal too.

02:17:02.000 The fact that they could just stay underwater for hours without breathing, they slow their heart rate down to like a beat a minute or something stupid.

02:17:08.000 There's a place in northwestern Australia where the waves are really good.

02:17:13.000 And in that area, there's a ton, a ton of great whites, tiger sharks, and ocean saltwater crocodiles.

02:17:22.000 That swim in the ocean.

02:17:24.000 Yes.

02:17:25.000 For miles.

02:17:25.000 They swim out for miles.

02:17:26.000 Yeah, and they fight the sharks.

02:17:28.000 Fuck them.

02:17:28.000 Fuck everything.

02:17:29.000 Fuck that whole place.

02:17:31.000 God, that's so crazy.

02:17:33.000 They swim.

02:17:34.000 Imagine being in the fucking water in a canoe, and you're looking over, and there's something bigger than your canoe, and it's a dinosaur.

02:17:40.000 Yeah.

02:17:40.000 And it's swimming in the water.

02:17:41.000 Yeah, and it wants to kill you.

02:17:42.000 It's hungry.

02:17:44.000 Oh.

02:17:45.000 Crazy, huh?

02:17:46.000 Australia's a wild-ass place, man.

02:17:48.000 It really is.

02:17:49.000 Beautiful and crazy and wild.

02:17:51.000 Seems like New Zealand's a better spot, though.

02:17:53.000 New Zealand doesn't have any of that stuff.

02:17:55.000 That's what I'm talking about.

02:17:56.000 And I'm from a place like New Zealand, right?

02:17:57.000 I'm from Hawaii.

02:17:58.000 There's no snakes.

02:17:59.000 Yeah.

02:17:59.000 We don't have deadly spiders or anything like that.

02:18:01.000 And when I go to Australia, I get so freaked out about the snakes.

02:18:06.000 So freaked out.

02:18:07.000 Oh, they have those brown snakes.

02:18:08.000 They kill you instantly.

02:18:09.000 I almost stepped on one of those.

02:18:10.000 Ah!

02:18:13.000 Fuck you, Adam Greentree.

02:18:15.000 Why are you trying to get me to come to your house of horrors?

02:18:17.000 My foot was up.

02:18:18.000 My left foot was up.

02:18:19.000 I remember I was walking through this grass called tussock.

02:18:23.000 And Adam was like, you're never going to see a snake at this time of year.

02:18:27.000 It's like wintertime, right?

02:18:28.000 So they're all down, whatever they're doing.

02:18:31.000 They're hibernating, right?

02:18:32.000 And so I'm walking by myself, of course, and I almost put my foot down and I looked down and there's a coiled up brown snake.

02:18:39.000 And he was out sunning himself and almost stepped right on him.

02:18:44.000 One of those red-bellied black snakes, that thing crawled right past me one day.

02:18:48.000 I was with my other buddy and he goes, you're never going to see any snakes.

02:18:51.000 I never see any snakes around here.

02:18:53.000 First afternoon, I swear to God, first afternoon I ever hunted in Australia, this guy just told me, you never see a snake.

02:19:00.000 Like an hour into our hunt, maybe less.

02:19:02.000 He goes, don't move.

02:19:03.000 There's a deer.

02:19:04.000 There's a deer, mate.

02:19:05.000 So I just stopped, of course, right?

02:19:07.000 I didn't even say a word.

02:19:08.000 I was like looking around for the deer, side-eyeing it, you know, trying not to say a word, trying to be completely still.

02:19:14.000 And he goes, okay, now look down.

02:19:16.000 I looked down and this giant snake had just passed me.

02:19:21.000 Completely deadly.

02:19:22.000 So he said don't move just because he didn't want you freaking out because the snake was there?

02:19:26.000 If he would have had a snake, I would have flipped.

02:19:28.000 Ah!

02:19:29.000 Yeah, but he goes, there's a deer, and he knew I'd...

02:19:31.000 That's it?

02:19:31.000 Yeah, that's it.

02:19:32.000 Red-bellied black snake.

02:19:33.000 That thing looks awesome.

02:19:34.000 I'd like to make a belt out of one of those fucks. 1.00

02:19:36.000 Yeah, there's plenty in Australia you can bow hunt.

02:19:38.000 Can you make a belt?

02:19:39.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:40.000 Probably make a pair of boots to go with it.

02:19:42.000 Are they that big?

02:19:43.000 No.

02:19:44.000 We can shoot a few of them.

02:19:47.000 You shoot all you want.

02:19:48.000 Please.

02:19:49.000 I give you permission to go to Australia and shoot them all. 1.00

02:19:51.000 Well, that's the thing about Australia.

02:19:53.000 You can kind of just shoot animals constantly.

02:19:56.000 Especially snakes.

02:19:58.000 No one's going to be bummed out if you shoot a snake.

02:20:00.000 God damn, what a beautiful looking creature.

02:20:01.000 They are incredibly beautiful creatures.

02:20:03.000 They're so shiny.

02:20:04.000 I saw like a 10 foot python too hunting there.

02:20:07.000 Really scary.

02:20:08.000 They have pythons?

02:20:10.000 I am so freaked out about snakes.

02:20:11.000 They have giant pythons.

02:20:13.000 Giant, giant pythons.

02:20:14.000 I saw one that was like 10 feet long.

02:20:16.000 And my buddy almost stepped right on him too.

02:20:19.000 What is the Everglades?

02:20:20.000 And we were stalking deer.

02:20:20.000 We were stalking right next to these giant bucks.

02:20:22.000 And there was a giant 10 foot snake right next to them.

02:20:24.000 How fat was it?

02:20:26.000 Like as fat as my forearm.

02:20:29.000 Jesus Christ!

02:20:30.000 That's so fucking big!

02:20:32.000 I was running with my dogs once in the hills.

02:20:35.000 And we ran over what I thought was a log.

02:20:37.000 And they just ran right over it.

02:20:40.000 I ran over it.

02:20:41.000 And then as my foot is passing over, I go, oh, fuck, that's a giant rattlesnake.

02:20:47.000 It was a huge rattlesnake.

02:20:49.000 Like, literally, I mean, not quite as big as my upper forearm, but definitely as big as my wrist.

02:20:54.000 And it was easily seven feet long.

02:20:56.000 Was that here by your house?

02:20:57.000 Yeah, right over here.

02:20:59.000 There's a few of them up here that are big as shit.

02:21:02.000 It was huge, big-ass diamond head, you know, big-ass triangle head.

02:21:06.000 I was like, look at the size of this fucking thing.

02:21:08.000 And I'm like defenseless, like mentally defenseless, because I don't even know, I don't know how to react to snakes, I don't know what to do, I don't know where they live, I don't know what they hide under usually.

02:21:17.000 I don't have any snake background, so I'm not like looking, oh god, no thank you.

02:21:22.000 Giant rattlesnake killed, look at the size of this one, this one's like fucking 12 feet long.

02:21:26.000 Where'd this guy kill this thing?

02:21:28.000 Mexico, it looks like.

02:21:29.000 Oh my god, look how fat it is.

02:21:31.000 30-yard shot, guaranteed.

02:21:32.000 I would definitely take it all day long.

02:21:34.000 If that thing was 30 yards away, I'd smoke it.

02:21:36.000 With expandables, right?

02:21:37.000 Yes, most definitely.

02:21:38.000 You gotta use like a Rage.

02:21:39.000 Yeah, Rage.

02:21:40.000 Do you use a fixed head broadhead or do you use expandables?

02:21:43.000 Look at the size of that one.

02:21:44.000 Jesus Christ.

02:21:46.000 That's bigger than the one I've ran over.

02:21:48.000 Yeah.

02:21:48.000 At least semi.

02:21:51.000 That's a big-ass snake. 1.00

02:21:52.000 That's huge.

02:21:53.000 No thanks.

02:21:53.000 I use fixed heads mainly.

02:21:55.000 I use these little VPA heads.

02:21:58.000 Vantage Point Archery makes these little two-bladed, same ones that Adam uses, but they're all machined out of one piece of steel, so they're very strong.

02:22:10.000 They're just super reliable heads, and they fly well.

02:22:13.000 Yeah, that's a big debate in the archery world, expandable broadheads versus fixed head.

02:22:19.000 What we're talking about, folks, is like expandables, as they go in, these blades open up on the side.

02:22:25.000 They're like a mechanical blade.

02:22:27.000 But sometimes they fail and they break off and they hit ribs and stuff like that.

02:22:31.000 And there's some animals that they're better on, I think.

02:22:34.000 Mm-hmm.

02:22:35.000 I've used Rages a bit, and I've had really good luck with them, actually.

02:22:38.000 I've had friends that were like, oh man, I can't do the Rage thing anymore.

02:22:42.000 But I've had super good luck with them.

02:22:44.000 Well, they're making hybrids now, too. 0.61

02:22:46.000 Like Muzzy makes a hybrid, and then there's those Gravediggers, where it's a fixed head blade, and then two other blades open up behind it, which is actually probably even better than just a regular fixed blade. 0.92

02:22:56.000 It totally depends on what you're hunting, too, because, like, where I live, I hunt Axis deer.

02:23:01.000 Axis deer were brought from Sri Lanka.

02:23:04.000 Oh, really?

02:23:05.000 From Sri Lanka?

02:23:06.000 Yeah.

02:23:07.000 Sri Lanka and India.

02:23:09.000 So they're like an Asian deer.

02:23:11.000 And their main predator is in, like, Borneo, and where they're from, in all those countries there, was the Bengal tiger.

02:23:20.000 So if you look up the history of axis deer, its main predator for thousands of years is a Bengal tiger.

02:23:25.000 Wow.

02:23:25.000 So they have like a vertical leap, like a crazy vertical leap, and they run like super fast and they always jump your arrow, right?

02:23:32.000 They always jump the string.

02:23:34.000 Jump the string?

02:23:35.000 Yeah.

02:23:35.000 So when they jump the string, do you aim low so they duck down?

02:23:39.000 You catch them when they're ducking down?

02:23:40.000 You have to aim super low.

02:23:41.000 And if they're alert, most of the time you aim off their body.

02:23:44.000 So if they don't see you and they don't see you release your arrow, do you still aim low?

02:23:49.000 I aim low.

02:23:50.000 Because the sound makes them duck down.

02:23:53.000 They react like super, super hyper fast.

02:23:56.000 So the reason I brought it up is because those mechanicals are really good, especially on axis deer, because...

02:24:02.000 Even if you make a perfect shot, like if you're just an incredible archer like someone like Cameron Haynes, you're 40 yards, you're just rock solid, not nervous, you can make the perfect shot.

02:24:12.000 That animal could be completely spin around into 180 and you hit him in the other side or you hit him and, you know, you can make a gut shot even though you made a perfect shot.

02:24:20.000 Just because they move so quick.

02:24:21.000 So, in those kind of situations, I think, you know, a big expoundable is really good, you know, because if you hit him badly, those things cut.

02:24:30.000 Giant holes, you know.

02:24:31.000 Yeah, they cut giant holes.

02:24:33.000 Cam shot a bear with one of those gravediggers.

02:24:36.000 It's one of those hybrid blades where it has a large fixed blade, but then it has these two really big expandables that go to an inch and three quarters.

02:24:44.000 And it just opened up a shot like a 300 Win Mag.

02:24:47.000 It was a huge hole in the bear.

02:24:51.000 And they still get the crazy penetration.

02:24:53.000 Yeah.

02:24:53.000 Well, he's shooting 80 pounds, too, with those really thin FMJ deep six injection arrows.

02:25:01.000 What kind of bow are you shooting with?

02:25:03.000 I shoot a Matthews Halon 6. Oh, those are great bows.

02:25:06.000 That's what Ben has, same way.

02:25:07.000 Very quiet.

02:25:08.000 Yeah.

02:25:09.000 Silent.

02:25:10.000 So the 6 is the one with the 6-inch brace height, so it's a little jumpy, right?

02:25:13.000 It's like that turbo cam.

02:25:14.000 Yeah, they have a 5, a 6, and a 7, I believe.

02:25:16.000 So the 5 is the fastest one, but it's probably not as easy to shoot.

02:25:22.000 So with all speed bows, I think the shorter the brace height, the faster they go.

02:25:28.000 But my understanding is, and I'm not the super archer guy, but my understanding is that the longer the brace height in general, the more forgiving the bow is to shoot.

02:25:38.000 We just got in this technical geek talk with people in their cars right now going, what the fuck are they talking about?

02:25:44.000 We're fast forwarding to the next subject.

02:25:45.000 Yeah, I geek out on bows, man.

02:25:47.000 I geek out on all sorts of gear.

02:25:49.000 I'm a fan of all the little tiny things that make a difference.

02:25:54.000 Yeah, you shoot a Hoyt.

02:25:56.000 Yeah, I shoot a Hoyt.

02:25:57.000 They make good bows.

02:25:58.000 Yeah.

02:25:59.000 Yeah, I shoot a carbon defiant, 80 pounds.

02:26:03.000 It's a fucking flamethrower, man.

02:26:05.000 Yeah, no kidding.

02:26:06.000 I love it.

02:26:07.000 They fling some arrows out fast.

02:26:09.000 Yeah, I'm just so obsessed with it.

02:26:11.000 I practice almost too much.

02:26:13.000 We were talking about the new studio that we're setting up where it has a 50-yard indoor range.

02:26:18.000 It's like one of the reasons why I got it.

02:26:20.000 I'm coming back over next time I'm going to bring my bow.

02:26:22.000 Fuck yeah, dude! 0.88

02:26:23.000 You have to.

02:26:25.000 So do you have anything planned that you're really looking forward to?

02:26:27.000 Any big hunts that you're planning?

02:26:29.000 I have nothing to promote on the show.

02:26:33.000 Doesn't everybody have a book coming out or a movie?

02:26:36.000 If they do, that's cool.

02:26:37.000 If they don't, that's better.

02:26:38.000 It's not bad one way or another.

02:26:40.000 I'll be at the thing tonight.

02:26:42.000 That's fine, too.

02:26:43.000 But I just wanted to talk to you.

02:26:45.000 Yeah, no.

02:26:46.000 I do.

02:26:46.000 I do have a lot coming up.

02:26:47.000 I have some rad surf trips.

02:26:49.000 I surf for a company called Billabong.

02:26:51.000 That's my major sponsor.

02:26:52.000 They make clothes and wetsuits.

02:26:53.000 Got a t-shirt on right now.

02:26:54.000 Yeah.

02:26:55.000 So I ride.

02:26:56.000 I've ridden for them forever, and they're awesome.

02:26:57.000 But they have a really good amateur team.

02:27:01.000 Like, you know, their best, youngest amateurs from around the world ride for Billabong.

02:27:05.000 They activate them and take them on a couple trips a year.

02:27:08.000 So they're taking them to Bali.

02:27:09.000 Wow.

02:27:10.000 And so I'm going to Bali to go and help like mentor them, surf with them, help train them, and help get them ready for like the next step, right?

02:27:17.000 So I'm bringing my son.

02:27:18.000 My son is nine.

02:27:19.000 He likes to surf.

02:27:21.000 So I'm actually going to go to Bali.

02:27:23.000 This is the first time this has ever happened.

02:27:25.000 I'm going to go to Bali for like a work trip, which I do that pretty often and go on these surf trips that are really a work trip.

02:27:30.000 But now I get to bring my son because he likes to surf, which is really, really cool.

02:27:33.000 Wow.

02:27:34.000 Yeah.

02:27:35.000 That's badass.

02:27:36.000 Yeah, so he, my son now, he likes to skateboard.

02:27:39.000 He's a little skater rat.

02:27:41.000 And I tried, I hoped that he'd be into surfing, you know, because that's what I love to do.

02:27:46.000 And now that he likes to surf, I'm just so stoked.

02:27:48.000 And now I'm taking him to Bali, so.

02:27:50.000 Do you think he's going to try bow hunting?

02:27:51.000 He already bow hunts.

02:27:53.000 Really?

02:27:53.000 He's nine and he bow hunts?

02:27:55.000 Yeah.

02:27:56.000 Has he been successful?

02:27:57.000 Yes.

02:27:57.000 Whoa, what has he shot?

02:27:59.000 Bores. 0.99

02:28:01.000 You're a nine-year-old kid and you kill a wild boar.

02:28:03.000 I'll text you some pictures.

02:28:05.000 He's savage.

02:28:05.000 He's got really long hair and he's in the photo with the boar.

02:28:08.000 He's got all this face paint on his face.

02:28:10.000 He's got his little badass bow right there.

02:28:12.000 His arrows all pass through.

02:28:15.000 He shot three now.

02:28:16.000 That's incredible.

02:28:17.000 What kind of bow is he shooting?

02:28:19.000 He shoots 30 pounds right now because he's tiny.

02:28:22.000 Yeah, he's nine.

02:28:23.000 He's nine, but he's small.

02:28:25.000 He's a small nine.

02:28:26.000 He's small.

02:28:27.000 It's pretty fucking strong for a little kid to shoot 30 pounds.

02:28:30.000 He's super strong.

02:28:31.000 Do you have him lifting weights?

02:28:32.000 He's ripped.

02:28:33.000 Really?

02:28:33.000 No, he's dead serious.

02:28:34.000 He's ripped.

02:28:35.000 He's got a six pack.

02:28:37.000 He's never stopped moving.

02:28:38.000 He's got a lot of energy.

02:28:39.000 He's one of those kids.

02:28:40.000 Right.

02:28:42.000 He's at skate camp right now up at Woodward West.

02:28:44.000 Wow.

02:28:45.000 So I dropped him off at Woodward West and I got some work to do in Southern California here.

02:28:49.000 So he's at skate camp hanging out.

02:28:51.000 You were saying there's something wrong with your back?

02:28:53.000 Yeah.

02:28:53.000 What's going on?

02:28:55.000 I don't know.

02:28:56.000 That's what I'm doing here.

02:28:57.000 I had to get an MRI this morning.

02:28:59.000 I kind of just tweaked my back about nine months ago.

02:29:02.000 It was really bad.

02:29:05.000 I was doing a workout and it hurt it.

02:29:07.000 What part of your back?

02:29:08.000 My lower back.

02:29:10.000 Yeah.

02:29:11.000 I got a machine in the back I want to show you.

02:29:13.000 We're done here.

02:29:14.000 Is it a reverse hyper?

02:29:15.000 Yeah.

02:29:16.000 Yeah, you know it.

02:29:17.000 Yeah, it's good.

02:29:18.000 Have you heard of them before?

02:29:19.000 Yeah.

02:29:19.000 I've used them a little bit.

02:29:20.000 Oh, really?

02:29:21.000 Yeah.

02:29:21.000 They're the shit.

02:29:22.000 They're really good.

02:29:22.000 If you have a place for them, you should get it.

02:29:25.000 It's a fucking phenomenal piece of machinery.

02:29:27.000 So I got really into CrossFit.

02:29:28.000 Oh, yeah?

02:29:29.000 So I was using the reverse hyper a lot.

02:29:32.000 Mm-hmm.

02:29:32.000 Yeah, it's good.

02:29:33.000 So was this before or after the injury?

02:29:36.000 Um...

02:29:37.000 Like before and after.

02:29:38.000 Yeah?

02:29:38.000 Yeah.

02:29:39.000 Does it help at all?

02:29:39.000 Reverse hyper helps, yeah.

02:29:41.000 It helps stretch me out and loosen it up.

02:29:42.000 There's also some, we have some decompression stuff in the back, some different spinal decompression things that I could show you that'll help.

02:29:49.000 I'm kind of an expert now in healing up back injuries.

02:29:53.000 Oh yeah?

02:29:53.000 I had a pretty severe bulging disc issue from jiu-jitsu that made my hands numb.

02:29:59.000 Wow.

02:29:59.000 Yeah, but now it's gone.

02:30:01.000 It's completely gone.

02:30:01.000 That's crazy.

02:30:02.000 Yeah, I don't have any bulge at all.

02:30:03.000 I had an MRI, it's clean.

02:30:05.000 I've never had back issues like nine months ago.

02:30:09.000 I think the thing that happened is I was training like really pretty seriously.

02:30:14.000 I got really into it.

02:30:15.000 I got really excited about it and just loved training.

02:30:18.000 It was like one of those things I just love to do.

02:30:19.000 So I'd train like five days a week.

02:30:21.000 I got really like muscular throughout my hips and my quads and my core.

02:30:27.000 And just got super, super developed.

02:30:29.000 You know, kind of like my muscles got like cables.

02:30:33.000 And then I just, I had like a five month period of time where I was just traveling like out of the country for like five months.

02:30:41.000 I just couldn't do the same kind of workouts.

02:30:43.000 I was doing these really mellow workouts and kind of not working out too much.

02:30:46.000 And then I got home and I had like a month to get ready for winter.

02:30:50.000 And so I was like, you know, I'm going to ease back into the workout thing.

02:30:53.000 And the first workout I did, my body just got pissed, just locked up.

02:30:56.000 So you tried to go just a little too hard, a little too quick?

02:31:00.000 I was trying to go really mellow, but I was going relatively mellow compared to what I was doing before.

02:31:04.000 But my body just was like, I don't know, it just was pissed.

02:31:09.000 Do you ever fuck with yoga?

02:31:10.000 I love yoga.

02:31:11.000 I do.

02:31:12.000 I really like it.

02:31:13.000 I just, the yoga classes around my house are never at the right time and I don't do it by myself.

02:31:17.000 Just get a DVD, you know, or YouTube, man.

02:31:19.000 There's a lot of videos on YouTube.

02:31:21.000 That's, man, that's been a saving grace for me.

02:31:23.000 It's been a big help.

02:31:25.000 And also, there's a lot of yoga exercises that I didn't even realize before I did it.

02:31:30.000 They act as a spinal decompression.

02:31:33.000 They stretch you out.

02:31:34.000 You feel your back pop, pop, pop as you're doing some of the stretches.

02:31:37.000 I actually really love yoga.

02:31:39.000 It's fucking awesome, man.

02:31:40.000 I go to yoga classes.

02:31:41.000 My wife's super into yoga. 1.00

02:31:42.000 It's one of those things, though, like for a dude, especially a manly surfer bowhunting type dude, you tell people, yeah, I'm really into yoga.

02:31:49.000 Oh, what are you, sucking dicks over there in that yoga class there? 1.00

02:31:52.000 It's one of those, it seems like a feminine thing. 0.97

02:31:56.000 I'm not super macho, though.

02:31:57.000 Well, you're a bowhunter and you surf 50-foot waves.

02:32:00.000 On paper, you're a pretty fucking macho dude, fella.

02:32:04.000 Yeah.

02:32:05.000 But if you talked to anybody who knew me well, they would never describe me as macho.

02:32:09.000 Well, I don't mean macho in a dumb way.

02:32:11.000 Well, I have no problem walking in a yoga class is what I'm saying.

02:32:13.000 Of course you don't.

02:32:14.000 But saying it, like saying yoga to people, I'm not saying, obviously, I don't have a problem with it.

02:32:19.000 I do it all the time.

02:32:20.000 But I'm saying there's a sort of a preconceived notion about yoga.

02:32:24.000 That it's like, it's not a hard thing to do.

02:32:27.000 It's not like a manly thing.

02:32:28.000 But it's one of the most difficult things to do that I have ever done.

02:32:31.000 That kicks your ass.

02:32:31.000 Fuck yeah, it does.

02:32:32.000 Especially hot yoga.

02:32:33.000 Yeah, it does.

02:32:34.000 It's unbelievable how difficult it is.

02:32:36.000 My wife does this stuff called booty yoga. 1.00

02:32:38.000 Have you ever heard of that?

02:32:39.000 Booty yoga.

02:32:40.000 I like it already.

02:32:41.000 It's like yoga.

02:32:42.000 She's going to kill me. 1.00

02:32:43.000 Yoga slash kind of like semi-twerking.

02:32:46.000 But it's like a dance yoga.

02:32:47.000 It's like high energy, but like crazy yoga poses.

02:32:50.000 But it's like gnarly cardio too.

02:32:52.000 And the girl Jen who teaches the class is badass. 1.00

02:32:54.000 And it's the gnarliest workout.

02:32:56.000 I've never done it.

02:32:57.000 Okay.

02:32:58.000 I'm too macho for that.

02:32:59.000 For booty yoga.

02:33:00.000 Yes.

02:33:01.000 See, I knew it.

02:33:02.000 I knew it.

02:33:03.000 I couldn't...

02:33:03.000 What is this?

02:33:04.000 This is booty yoga?

02:33:05.000 Jamie found it already.

02:33:06.000 So this girl's throwing like a back kick. 1.00

02:33:09.000 Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about.

02:33:10.000 That's definitely not what I'm talking about.

02:33:12.000 Yeah.

02:33:13.000 Well, I think everybody...

02:33:13.000 I don't think booty yoga has an official designation, so I think a lot of people call their stuff booty yoga.

02:33:19.000 But the class that my wife does is it will kick your ass. 1.00

02:33:22.000 It's like really high energy.

02:33:24.000 It's really crazy cardio and it's yoga too, so...

02:33:26.000 And there's twerking.

02:33:28.000 Yeah, a little bit.

02:33:29.000 Are there dudes in that class?

02:33:30.000 And I think they play like Lil Wayne and like the gangster rap and they just go off, you know?

02:33:35.000 They get nuts.

02:33:36.000 Yeah, that's probably more...

02:33:37.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

02:33:38.000 My wife's much hotter than her. 1.00

02:33:42.000 Booty yoga with twerking plus little way music.

02:33:46.000 Hey, anything that keeps the missus in shape and nice and tight.

02:33:52.000 I'm a giant fan of that.

02:33:53.000 For them, yeah.

02:33:54.000 It's awesome for them.

02:33:55.000 I am all about it.

02:33:56.000 Yeah, if girls want to do this all day. 1.00

02:33:58.000 Absolutely all about it.

02:33:59.000 I'm a big fan of what she's doing here in this video. 0.98

02:34:00.000 I don't see any downside.

02:34:02.000 I don't see anything.

02:34:03.000 I'm agreeing with you 100%.

02:34:05.000 Well, listen, man, thank you very much for coming here.

02:34:07.000 I really appreciate it.

02:34:08.000 And Shane's got a Twitter, but he doesn't use it, so if you see him, say hi.

02:34:13.000 Yeah, I got an Instagram that I use.

02:34:15.000 Okay.

02:34:16.000 And what is the Instagram?

02:34:18.000 Instagram is Shane Dorian, S-H-A-N-E-D-O-R-I-A-N. Well, thanks for coming in, man.

02:34:23.000 I really appreciate it.

02:34:23.000 I really enjoyed talking to you.

02:34:24.000 Yeah, it was fun.

02:34:25.000 All right, folks, we'll be back in a little bit with Ari Shafir.

02:34:27.000 Bye!

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 22, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #813 - Shane Dorian

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