The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #832 - Vinny Shoreman

00:00:00.000 We're live.

00:00:01.000 That always sounds so fake.

00:00:02.000 It's always hard to get these things started.

00:00:04.000 It's always hard to just start talking.

00:00:08.000 Not hard, but...

00:00:09.000 Well, I'm learning from you, the way you define things in your own mind.

00:00:14.000 Yep.

00:00:15.000 It's all about the language.

00:00:17.000 Yeah.

00:00:17.000 It's all about the language you use.

00:00:19.000 Yeah, the way you define things can oftentimes shape exactly how those things manifest themselves in real life, right?

00:00:25.000 Yeah, you say more about yourself than what you actually know.

00:00:29.000 That's where mind coaching comes in.

00:00:30.000 You say more about yourself?

00:00:32.000 Yeah, well, you give away a lot.

00:00:34.000 Sometimes it doesn't make sense.

00:00:36.000 They're talking about something and they're saying that they're really positive about something and then you think, well, that doesn't match up. 0.90

00:00:41.000 It's a bit like a barking pig. 0.98

00:00:44.000 Pigs don't bark. 1.00

00:00:46.000 That doesn't make sense.

00:00:48.000 That's how I define it anyway. 0.82

00:00:49.000 A barking pig.

00:00:51.000 That one I had to throw through the filter.

00:00:53.000 I'm like, huh? 1.00

00:00:54.000 What the fuck is she talking about? 0.99

00:00:56.000 Magic mushroom days, I'm afraid. 0.99

00:00:58.000 Yeah, it's a very interesting thing we just did.

00:01:02.000 We just did something called timeline therapy that you were telling me about, that Joe Schilling told me about.

00:01:09.000 Ian McCall got really interested in it.

00:01:15.000 For folks who've never heard of Vinny before, Vinny's been on the podcast before.

00:01:20.000 Vinny's a mental coach and a hypnotist.

00:01:22.000 And before our first session, the last time you came on the podcast, I was like, I don't know about all this hypnotist stuff. 0.99

00:01:29.000 Maybe it was just a bunch of fucking crazy people and people talk to them. 0.90

00:01:32.000 I mean, you for sure have seen those televangelists that put their hands on people and they go into spasms and they fall down the floor and they claim to be curative illnesses. 1.00

00:01:42.000 That's hysteria, isn't it?

00:01:44.000 What is that?

00:01:45.000 It's bollocks.

00:01:47.000 It's bollocks? 1.00

00:01:48.000 It's bullshit, isn't it? 1.00

00:01:49.000 But is it? 1.00

00:01:50.000 Or is it something going on with some of those people?

00:01:52.000 It is a hypnotic state.

00:01:55.000 It doesn't mean that it's a positive one, but it is a hypnotic state.

00:01:59.000 Anyone that does...

00:02:00.000 I've been on a couple of podcasts now.

00:02:02.000 I went on two with Ian McCall on the Dash Radio.

00:02:05.000 And I went on his Storytime with Uncle Creepy.

00:02:07.000 And the first thing out of their interviewer said, obviously because you did hypnosis, oh, we're going to...

00:02:11.000 You know, I can't be hypnotized.

00:02:13.000 Well, fine.

00:02:14.000 That's alright.

00:02:15.000 You know what I mean?

00:02:15.000 People love to say that, don't they?

00:02:17.000 I don't care.

00:02:17.000 I can't be hypnotized, bro.

00:02:19.000 Can't get me, bro.

00:02:20.000 Well, I don't care.

00:02:21.000 Fine.

00:02:22.000 You know what I mean?

00:02:23.000 I think we may have discussed this the last time, but we may not have.

00:02:26.000 I think stand-up comedy is hypnosis.

00:02:28.000 Of course it is.

00:02:29.000 You think so?

00:02:30.000 You know what everything is?

00:02:32.000 How do you know you're not in a hypnotic state listening to you?

00:02:34.000 How do you in a hypnotic state not listening to music, TV, having a bath, shower, rituals, whatever?

00:02:39.000 So do you think that the term hypnotic is problematic because people think that it takes away control from you and it puts you into this netherworld or something like that?

00:02:47.000 Well, it can do, but all hypnosis is self-hypnosis, so you do it yourself.

00:02:51.000 I'm only a postman of information, as my first teacher said, Keith Mayer, who works at Liverpool Football Club.

00:02:58.000 Great guy.

00:02:59.000 He said that we're only a postman of information, so we just guide the way and show the person which way to go, you know?

00:03:06.000 I don't do it for that.

00:03:07.000 I said last time, I don't do it for all of them.

00:03:09.000 Look at him eating an onion, you know.

00:03:10.000 I don't like that.

00:03:11.000 I mean, it's fine if you want to go to a show and you want to get involved in that and, hey, great. 0.99

00:03:16.000 You want to have sex with a chair or whatever, that's okay. 0.97

00:03:19.000 For me, yeah, I don't do it for that. 0.99

00:03:22.000 What do you do it for?

00:03:23.000 I do it because I like people succeeding.

00:03:25.000 I know it sounds cliche and very hippie, but I love it.

00:03:28.000 I like people doing well.

00:03:31.000 I like it's some sort of weird noble side of me, really, I think, when people conquer fear.

00:03:39.000 When people conquer something, I think there's nothing better than that.

00:03:42.000 Well, I think one of the things that we talked about when we were doing a timeline, I was talking about some of my experiences when I was younger that have kind of like clung to me, unfortunately or fortunately.

00:03:52.000 And, you know, you were talking about your own, and I think that Yeah,

00:04:12.000 it shapes your life completely.

00:04:18.000 And having these bad moments and realizing what they were and how they defined you now gives you motivation to help other people get over their bad moments.

00:04:28.000 Yeah, it's just, with Timeline Therapy, which was devised by Tad James and a very, very successful guy, Tad James' company, my teacher worked for them directly, Colin Mackay, so I'm a direct descendant, really, of that.

00:04:43.000 The technique is amazing.

00:04:45.000 I mean, I love it, and I said to you earlier, I believe everyone in the world should do it.

00:04:48.000 That's not a sales pitch, by the way, that's just my opinion.

00:04:51.000 I just think it's fabulous.

00:04:54.000 People have things going on.

00:04:56.000 Let's say you've got an iPhone 6 or an iPhone or whatever.

00:04:59.000 The apps keep playing over and over again.

00:05:02.000 If they're still going on, they're going to take some sort of toll on you when you shut them down and think, well, actually, it shuts it down.

00:05:09.000 It saves your battery, your memory, and it shapes your life.

00:05:11.000 You know what?

00:05:12.000 I've been saying that for a while.

00:05:13.000 It turns out it doesn't.

00:05:15.000 Some dude just tweeted me.

00:05:18.000 Yeah, it's not like a computer where a computer constantly has these things running in the background and it's using up resources and battery power.

00:05:25.000 Apparently with phones it does not do that.

00:05:27.000 Well, like a defragmentation.

00:05:28.000 You're on all computers and you defrag it.

00:05:30.000 That then instead.

00:05:31.000 So that's my app thing gone now, isn't it?

00:05:33.000 I was enjoying that.

00:05:34.000 I did too.

00:05:35.000 I used to use that as an example.

00:05:36.000 But some dude who actually knows what he's talking about corrected me.

00:05:40.000 We'll just ignore him then.

00:05:42.000 No, we cannot.

00:05:44.000 We must plow forward and accept our defeat.

00:05:46.000 That's it.

00:05:47.000 No, it's ruined.

00:05:49.000 Yeah.

00:05:50.000 But I think that, you know, your own personal experiences is one of the reasons why you've become a coach, not just a mind coach, but a martial arts coach, and that these experiences of negative moments in your life where you've overcome them and you realize that I can help someone else who is in that sort of same situation.

00:06:07.000 Yeah, of course.

00:06:08.000 Yeah.

00:06:11.000 It's nice to just say it's not that important.

00:06:14.000 You know, people believe that these sometimes...

00:06:16.000 I mean, God, there is problems that are massive.

00:06:18.000 You know, I'm not going to lie.

00:06:19.000 And some things I can't solve.

00:06:20.000 You know, I'm not Moses.

00:06:22.000 But there is things that, you know, if you can help somebody out and they can get rid of it...

00:06:28.000 Or change the way they think, i.e.

00:06:30.000 Joe Shilling, when he did time and therapy, his relationship with his dad was miles better before he passed away.

00:06:35.000 Isn't that pretty powerful?

00:06:37.000 Yeah, Joe talked about it on the podcast.

00:06:39.000 He talked about it.

00:06:39.000 It completely changed his whole perception of his relationship with his dad, who his dad was in his life, and just he let it all go.

00:06:47.000 It just helped him tremendously.

00:06:49.000 Yeah, and what more can you say than that, really, as a coach?

00:06:53.000 I mean, Ian McCall has said...

00:06:54.000 You know, I know that he didn't get his fight with Justin Scoggins and that because of the weight, whatever.

00:06:58.000 And Ian was saying that his life has changed since doing timeline therapy and doing, you know, work with me.

00:07:04.000 Not just timeline therapy and not just hypnosis with my coaching in general because it's multifaceted really.

00:07:09.000 And he said his life's changed.

00:07:11.000 He's a different person.

00:07:13.000 People have noticed.

00:07:14.000 You know, so that's, for me, great news. 0.98

00:07:16.000 I think sometimes it just takes the realization of what's been fucking with you.

00:07:21.000 That once you realize what it is, then you have it in your mind and then you can kind of look at it for what it really is instead of this like thing that's playing in the background that you can't quite identify or you know it exists but you ignore it and you just you don't ever get over it.

00:07:38.000 It's interesting.

00:07:38.000 I had a client the other week called Joyce.

00:07:41.000 She's 80 years of age.

00:07:42.000 And she was going to a wedding in Spain for her grandson.

00:07:46.000 And she was beside herself.

00:07:48.000 She was terrified.

00:07:49.000 You know, we did just a few things, you know, little things to make her consider different ways of looking at the anxiety she was getting.

00:07:56.000 Anxiety is basically a message through your unconscious mind is to focus on what you want.

00:08:00.000 Because if you're in an anxious state, you're focusing on what you don't want.

00:08:03.000 Right.

00:08:03.000 There's different levels of it, of course.

00:08:05.000 She was focusing on what may go wrong.

00:08:07.000 Instead of saying, oh, we're going to a wedding, it's a celebration of two people's matrimony, whatever, and it's going to be nice and da-da-da-da.

00:08:14.000 She wasn't focusing on that.

00:08:15.000 She was focusing on something else.

00:08:16.000 I changed that.

00:08:18.000 And like, she was happy and she went to the wedding and it's, you know, it's good.

00:08:22.000 I mean, she's 80 years of age.

00:08:23.000 She may not be going to loads of weddings, let's be honest. 0.70

00:08:25.000 Right.

00:08:25.000 But for me, the job itself, what can you say about that?

00:08:29.000 It transforms people.

00:08:32.000 You know, and I adore it.

00:08:34.000 No, I know you do.

00:08:35.000 I really, you really, it comes out of you when you do it.

00:08:39.000 You really do love it.

00:08:40.000 It seems to me that human beings don't really live long enough to figure out What this is.

00:08:49.000 You know, I think that is one of the major problems that a lot of us have.

00:08:52.000 We have a certain amount of momentum that comes from our childhood, whether it's good or bad.

00:08:57.000 And we follow that momentum into our adulthood, sometimes trying to hit the brakes, sometimes trying to correct the course, and oftentimes using things like alcohol or drugs or gambling or anything to distract us from the pain of whatever,

00:09:15.000 the instability, whatever it is that's fucking with us. 0.82

00:09:18.000 And then you get to be a certain age and you realize, like, I'm barely figuring this thing out and I'm almost dead. 0.67

00:09:24.000 Yeah.

00:09:25.000 Well, you know, the worst thing is, you know, sat in an old people's home and you're on piss. 1.00

00:09:29.000 Going, oh, I wish you'd done that.

00:09:31.000 Yeah, you definitely don't want that.

00:09:33.000 But you also...

00:09:34.000 I think...

00:09:38.000 There's a big thing that people always talk about, like living in the moment.

00:09:42.000 It's a very difficult thing to do for some strange reason.

00:09:46.000 Yeah, of course it is.

00:09:47.000 Yeah, because, you know, you're worrying about tomorrow, aren't you?

00:09:50.000 Or you're worrying about later on.

00:09:52.000 Or you're worried about yesterday.

00:09:53.000 Or you're worried about yesterday.

00:09:54.000 Or you're worried about last year.

00:09:55.000 Indeed.

00:09:56.000 And that's where...

00:09:58.000 I'm not going to pretend to walk in a cloud and try and come in with all these long statements and write these things.

00:10:07.000 No one does.

00:10:08.000 The Dalai Lama doesn't.

00:10:10.000 But that's a problem with religion, right? 0.89

00:10:12.000 One of the bigger issues is that the people that are sort of proselytizing or the people that are promoting it, they're in some ways, many of them, especially priests and things along those lines, which is why it's so disappointing when you hear about child sex abuse amongst priests.

00:10:27.000 They're pretending to be something holy and special and above you, which is why they can bestow this knowledge upon you.

00:10:35.000 They're talking directly from God.

00:10:37.000 We're all peasants in this weird exchange.

00:10:40.000 Yeah.

00:10:41.000 They're not conduits, are they?

00:10:43.000 Right.

00:10:44.000 I think you get delusions of grandeur.

00:10:47.000 I think a lot of people do.

00:10:49.000 I've met you, and I'm a fan of yours, and I really enjoy it.

00:10:53.000 Like I said before, you've had Wim Hof, who I love, Russell Brand, brilliant, and Dr. Rhonda Patrick, and Joe, and Ian, and the companion, and all the fighters' companion.

00:11:05.000 I love that.

00:11:05.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:11:06.000 I like it the way that you're normal.

00:11:08.000 And I don't think he gives us the right to try and walk on water.

00:11:11.000 Yeah, I'm well known.

00:11:12.000 I've been spotted a few times because of your show, even in Thailand and that.

00:11:15.000 But I still wouldn't be any different.

00:11:18.000 Right.

00:11:19.000 Well, you especially, because you're so aware of these traps that the mind sets.

00:11:25.000 Yeah.

00:11:25.000 It is a weird dance that we do in this life.

00:11:29.000 We're trying to sort of manage the mind and figure out what it is that's holding you back or helping you or, you know, just sort of guide yourself through this existence.

00:11:39.000 Yeah.

00:11:39.000 Nine times out of ten, your unconscious mind's trying to help you.

00:11:43.000 But people decipher it wrongly.

00:11:44.000 I think it's the language that your mind speaks or getting to understand it to move away from chaos.

00:11:50.000 Like I said, we're going to do a technique, if that's all right.

00:11:53.000 Just warn everybody not to be driving when doing this or operating any machinery.

00:11:58.000 We're going to do a technique, folks.

00:12:00.000 Just drop in.

00:12:00.000 Everybody relax.

00:12:02.000 I want to share that because chaos, it's not easy.

00:12:07.000 Life isn't easy.

00:12:08.000 Life isn't easy.

00:12:09.000 You get all sorts...

00:12:10.000 It's easy in bursts.

00:12:11.000 In bursts, exactly.

00:12:12.000 You know, you can be going along and all of a sudden you get side-swiped by something.

00:12:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:17.000 And can, you know, knock you for six.

00:12:19.000 But, you know, it's about trying to calm the chaos down and, you know, and just get your mind to settle.

00:12:25.000 And give yourself even a few moments of peace.

00:12:28.000 Even a few moments of peace in the day would be...

00:12:31.000 You know, it would be beneficial to everybody, I think, you know?

00:12:36.000 That's what I think anyway, you know?

00:12:37.000 My opinion.

00:12:38.000 No, I agree.

00:12:39.000 Follow what it's worth.

00:12:40.000 I agree.

00:12:41.000 I think we could all use some peace and reflection.

00:12:45.000 That's a big thing.

00:12:46.000 Yeah.

00:12:46.000 And I think, like, many of us are, in a lot of ways, are a prisoner of doubt and fear.

00:12:55.000 Yeah.

00:12:55.000 Those are two big...

00:12:59.000 Yeah.

00:13:20.000 You also miss out on the...

00:13:22.000 Living life without fear doesn't mean there's not going to be moments where you're scared and taking chances.

00:13:31.000 Because those moments, when you do take chances or you do something new, and it could be as simple as like...

00:13:37.000 Being a 50-year-old man starting jujitsu or a 50-year-old woman starting a martial arts class or something like, I can't believe I'm doing this.

00:13:44.000 But those moments where you put yourself into vulnerable positions can be very beneficial for you.

00:13:50.000 So it's not a matter of avoiding everything that causes you fear.

00:13:54.000 It's a matter of embracing the uncertainty of life And trying to experience it with as much positivity and as much openness and with as least resistance as possible.

00:14:07.000 Yeah, everything was new once.

00:14:09.000 So everyone's learned something the first time the first time, if that makes sense.

00:14:17.000 So what people don't understand is there a massive, massive amount of successes you've had in your life that you thought was impossible?

00:14:25.000 Tying your lace.

00:14:26.000 Riding a bike.

00:14:27.000 For me driving.

00:14:28.000 That was awful.

00:14:29.000 Driving?

00:14:30.000 Why?

00:14:31.000 I don't know.

00:14:32.000 I was just one of those things that got it into my head that I was rubbish at it.

00:14:35.000 My dad didn't have a car.

00:14:36.000 My mum didn't have a car. 0.99

00:14:37.000 I love rubbish. 0.99

00:14:38.000 I love that expression the British use. 1.00

00:14:39.000 Rubbish old boy. 1.00

00:14:40.000 I was rubbish at it. 0.99

00:14:41.000 And so I had to basically do it because I lived far away from my kids and now I can drive and it was something I had to really push myself to do.

00:14:53.000 But I think we're all a collection of successes.

00:14:56.000 Tying your lace, writing the date right, you know, or telling the time. 0.57

00:15:03.000 You know, there's loads of things, but we're too busy kicking the shit out of ourselves about what we've done wrong.

00:15:08.000 You know, for me, when I watched Holly Holm fight last time, when she fought, she looked shell-shocked. 0.79

00:15:13.000 And that's my opinion.

00:15:15.000 She looked shell-shocked.

00:15:17.000 Do you think she was perhaps shell-shocked by the loss to Misha Tate and then jumping right back into the octagon?

00:15:22.000 Or do you think that she was fighting a very, very difficult opponent?

00:15:27.000 Both.

00:15:28.000 Because Valentina Shevchenko, the woman who she fought, is one of the most experienced strikers in all of MMA, period.

00:15:37.000 Well, her sister was on Infusion Season 6 with us in Thailand.

00:15:42.000 She's from Peru.

00:15:43.000 I think she lives in Peru, but now she's Russian.

00:15:45.000 I understand that, but she still looks shell-shocked.

00:15:48.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:15:49.000 And I think that's...

00:15:51.000 It's part of the process.

00:15:54.000 I mean, I think a lot of gyms, because it's macho, because it's fighting, and yeah, you'll be all right, and patting on the back, you'll be all right, you did great today.

00:16:01.000 If you have that, I deem it like this, it's like you're doing a whitewash, and you put all your whites in, and then you put all your whites in, so I've done my strength and conditioning, or right, I've got my diet right, I'm on point for my weight, blah, blah, blah, my coach says my BJJ is great, or whatever, or boxing, 1.00

00:16:16.000 or whatever the sport may be, or even if it's not sport, you know, your boss, or whatever.

00:16:20.000 And then all of a sudden you put one red sock in, you wash, everything goes pink.

00:16:25.000 So that little thought that can infect you, so you say, oh, you might sit there.

00:16:29.000 And the loneliest places, I think, fight someone and lost her in the changing rooms.

00:16:33.000 I think that's my opinion of fighters, they lose in the changing rooms. 0.93

00:16:37.000 They have one sort of negative thought, the mind whispers something, it becomes a shout, and then all of a sudden you drag it with you. 0.99

00:16:42.000 Well, fights can be lost, but no matter how positive your thinking is, if you're fighting Anderson Silva in his prime, you're probably fucked. 0.98

00:16:51.000 Yeah, there is that. 0.94

00:16:52.000 That's why I said it's not a guarantee.

00:16:54.000 Using a mind code isn't a guarantee you're going to win.

00:16:57.000 For me, it's more help.

00:17:00.000 A strand of condition is not going to make you win.

00:17:02.000 But it's a massive help.

00:17:04.000 Yeah, of course it is.

00:17:05.000 I mean, I know the benefit of it.

00:17:07.000 You know the benefit of it because you did a little bit of hypnosis.

00:17:10.000 Joe's in the benefit of it in his life as well as in his fighting.

00:17:13.000 You know, Liam Harrison is a good friend of mine.

00:17:16.000 Jordan Watson and the other people that I've worked with and other people that are working in the future.

00:17:19.000 It does give you nerves and self-doubt.

00:17:23.000 It's a massive hole in your boat if you're going to do something where you have to have confidence.

00:17:28.000 For everything in life.

00:17:29.000 Yes, indeed.

00:17:30.000 That's one of the things that I like about fighting is that it's so condensed.

00:17:34.000 It's a very extreme situation.

00:17:37.000 It's sort of like problem solving condensed to one of the most intense versions of it that we possibly can experience, other than war.

00:17:46.000 War probably being the most intense version of problem solving.

00:17:50.000 But you're presenting with all these incredibly difficult challenges and you have to figure your way through it.

00:17:56.000 And with a poor mindset or a faulty mind, it's like having a flat tire or having bad brakes.

00:18:05.000 It's like you're traveling...

00:18:07.000 In a very precarious way.

00:18:09.000 You have a lot of holes in whatever method of distribution that your thoughts and your actions are passing through.

00:18:19.000 You know, your system, your system of life, like who you are, the way you think about things, the way you think about yourself, the way you think about other people, like that shapes all the results.

00:18:29.000 All the interactions that you have with people are shaped differently.

00:18:32.000 It's one of the things that I've always said about a lot of these interactions that police officers have with people.

00:18:39.000 How many of these interactions would be completely different with a more calm police officer or a person who's better at handling people?

00:18:48.000 And how many of them are shaped by someone who's just not that smart or too authoritarian or doesn't know how to read people well or doesn't know how to broach a conversation well?

00:19:00.000 And then it goes bad.

00:19:01.000 Or dealing with something in their own mind.

00:19:03.000 Yes.

00:19:03.000 So dealing with something in their own mind.

00:19:05.000 Like we talked about Limitless, didn't we, the movie where Bradley Cooper first takes the pill and he's talking to the Chinese lady on the top of the stairs.

00:19:12.000 I think she's his landlady or something.

00:19:14.000 She's going bananas. 1.00

00:19:15.000 She's going bananas at him, you know, talking rubbish. 1.00

00:19:18.000 And she's giving him lots of grief and blah, blah, blah. 0.98

00:19:22.000 But behind it all is something that was upsetting her.

00:19:26.000 Now that's what you come across.

00:19:28.000 A lot in timeline or in anything really.

00:19:32.000 They're actually taught.

00:19:33.000 They're not really taught.

00:19:34.000 People are not their behaviors.

00:19:35.000 There's a cliched NLP chat.

00:19:39.000 NLP, Neuro Linguistic Programming.

00:19:41.000 Neuro Linguistic Programming, yeah.

00:19:42.000 What is that about?

00:19:44.000 That's Anthony Robbins, right?

00:19:45.000 Yeah, Anthony Robbins and John Grinder and Richard Bandler were the first people to do it.

00:19:51.000 They modeled a hypnotherapist called Milton Erickson, and they used Milton Erickson language.

00:19:57.000 Milton Erickson was a very, very good hypnotherapist and very, very clever man indeed.

00:20:03.000 So yeah, and some of that, I use some of that, some of them I don't, you know.

00:20:08.000 But as you get anything, you understand this, you know, you do your podcast and as you get more and more into it, you get a feel of it.

00:20:15.000 And that's what you do with my job, with the mind coaches.

00:20:17.000 You get a feel of it.

00:20:18.000 I don't always use hypnosis.

00:20:19.000 I do use hypnosis, but not always, because it's not always necessary.

00:20:23.000 It's getting people thinking, reframing something.

00:20:25.000 Have you thought of it like that and move that out the way?

00:20:27.000 And that changes people's opinions and can have massive effects on them.

00:20:32.000 So the more people you interact with, the more people you apply these techniques to, the better your understanding of how these techniques work?

00:20:39.000 Yeah, or the better understanding of people.

00:20:41.000 I think you've got to be able to talk to people as well doing this job.

00:20:45.000 I think you've got to be able to...

00:20:46.000 I'm not saying I'm massively know loads of stuff, but I know little bits about things, you know, and I don't pretend to know about a lot of things.

00:20:54.000 But it's just about just being able to communicate with people and actually get them, you know?

00:20:59.000 Actually get them.

00:21:00.000 People pretty much want the same things, you know what I mean?

00:21:03.000 Everyone wants to live life as exciting or as easy as possible, you know?

00:21:11.000 And like I said before, it's just about language.

00:21:14.000 It's just about deciphering the language, what they're actually talking.

00:21:18.000 And not even really as easy as possible, because a lot of people want a life full of adventure, but what they don't want to do is trip over themselves.

00:21:27.000 Like, if you have a difficulty, and say if you're going to climb a mountain, right?

00:21:32.000 I would think that climbing a mountain is difficult enough.

00:21:35.000 It's hard.

00:21:36.000 You have to figure out what way to grip.

00:21:39.000 You have to have strong hands and strong feet.

00:21:41.000 You have to have an overall awareness of your body and balance, and you have to be physically fit enough to Be able to pull yourself and climb up to this mountain if you're Paralyzed with fear if you are consumed with self-doubt if you are overrun with guilt if your body is just dealing with the minds All the haunts of your past that compounds whatever difficulty and

00:22:11.000 it makes it way worse Yeah, well, that's where, you know, people come to me after fights and, you know, they talk about the last fight.

00:22:20.000 They're still involved in it.

00:22:21.000 Yes.

00:22:22.000 You know, they don't take the positives from it.

00:22:23.000 Take the positives and you'll blah, blah, blah.

00:22:27.000 It's hard to say.

00:22:28.000 Well, it's hard to do, rather.

00:22:29.000 You see, a lot of things are easy to say in order to do.

00:22:31.000 You know what I mean?

00:22:32.000 Let's go to the moon.

00:22:33.000 Right.

00:22:33.000 Busy.

00:22:34.000 You know what I mean?

00:22:35.000 And so just for me, it's like...

00:22:38.000 Just getting the person just to sometimes forget something, you know what I mean?

00:22:43.000 And just move on and, right, okay, what did you learn?

00:22:46.000 Oh, I learnt this, this and this.

00:22:47.000 Well, that's the point.

00:22:48.000 That's what we, you know, when we was doing timeline therapy, you know, there was things you learnt from that situation that has got you here, got you the UFC commentator, successful stand-up and all that.

00:23:01.000 It's got you where you've got because of them things that moulded you, you know.

00:23:06.000 Some people do get consumed by fear, which is why I like to change.

00:23:11.000 You know I like to change that.

00:23:12.000 Yeah, there's a big problem that a lot of people have where they define themselves by their past.

00:23:18.000 They look at their past.

00:23:19.000 They don't think they could ever grow from that.

00:23:21.000 They think that is who I am. 0.99

00:23:22.000 I'm that loser. 0.99

00:23:23.000 I'm that guy who crashed his car. 0.99

00:23:25.000 I'm that guy that, you know, whatever it was that haunts you.

00:23:28.000 Yeah, my mum and dad never did it.

00:23:29.000 So therefore, you know, like money is the root of all evil.

00:23:33.000 Oh, if you have money, you're this.

00:23:34.000 Or, you know, you have to tread on people to be a success. 1.00

00:23:37.000 It's bullshit. 0.99

00:23:38.000 It's cliched sayings that just pop up from nowhere. 1.00

00:23:41.000 Yeah, that's a real weird one that comes up a lot.

00:23:44.000 Almost like it's impossible to be successful and altruistic. 0.95

00:23:47.000 That money is acquired only by stepping on other people and fucking over people. 0.95

00:23:53.000 And anybody that's really big in business... 0.97

00:23:55.000 I've read that once from someone who's actually a very smart person. 0.99

00:23:59.000 It said, show me someone who's really good in business and I guarantee you they fuck someone over. 0.99

00:24:03.000 And I'm like, that's a scapegoat. 0.99

00:24:06.000 That's a scapegoat for your own financial failure.

00:24:08.000 Yeah, of course it is.

00:24:09.000 I think the more money you get, the more money you have, the more people you can help.

00:24:12.000 There's that, for sure.

00:24:14.000 There's more opportunity, for sure.

00:24:15.000 Yeah, and that's what I believe.

00:24:17.000 And I think it's cliched.

00:24:20.000 I think about money is just to keep people down.

00:24:23.000 I think that existed.

00:24:26.000 You know what I mean?

00:24:26.000 There's language to keep people down, to keep people just there, to keep them in the place.

00:24:31.000 Well, it's also self-prescribed, too.

00:24:35.000 A lot of people do it to themselves.

00:24:37.000 No one's doing it to you.

00:24:38.000 You just want to give yourself a little excuse for not going after whatever your goals are or not pursuing whatever interests you actually have and just playing it safe.

00:24:48.000 Playing it safe, I think a big part of that is what we were talking about earlier, is this need to avoid any further pain.

00:24:57.000 Yeah.

00:24:58.000 One thing I want to touch upon is, like, you're not allowed to like yourself.

00:25:03.000 I mean, you know, you're not allowed to be not a fan of yourself.

00:25:07.000 I mean, it's all right.

00:25:08.000 You've got to have fun and laugh at yourself and not take yourself massively too serious.

00:25:12.000 But on the things that you want to be serious, you should be supporting yourself.

00:25:16.000 Less than 100% support is sabotage, which is a saying, which I believe it's true. 1.00

00:25:20.000 You know, if you're not supporting yourself, you're sabotaging not only you, but you're sabotaging everybody else around you.

00:25:24.000 And I think people struggle with that.

00:25:27.000 Being alright to themselves. 1.00

00:25:29.000 You know, it's so easy to, you know, I'm shit, I'm stupid, I'm ugly, I'm fat, this, this, and this. 1.00

00:25:34.000 And it's so easily swallowed that, you know, people become used to it. 1.00

00:25:39.000 Right.

00:25:39.000 And I think, and then they want to be a success.

00:25:42.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:25:43.000 Now, I recently, you know, people that want to fight, and then they go, I lost my fight, and blah, blah, blah, and then you find out what they did unto the run-up.

00:25:52.000 Oh, what did you do?

00:25:53.000 Oh, I got drunk for two weeks before. 1.00

00:25:56.000 Well, hello, what a fucking surprise. 0.98

00:25:58.000 You know, if you're not living it, and if you're not, you know, really immersing yourself in every way, in the language that you speak to yourself, and in the way that you do everything else, what do you expect? 0.99

00:26:09.000 Your mind's not going to support you if you don't support it.

00:26:12.000 Yeah, that was one of the things that I felt when Jon Jones tested positive for cocaine three weeks out of his fight with Daniel Cormier.

00:26:19.000 I was like, ooh, he's not...

00:26:22.000 Look, I don't think there's anything wrong with doing...

00:26:24.000 I don't know if there's anything wrong with doing cocaine.

00:26:27.000 I don't think it's a positive drug, but some people enjoy it.

00:26:31.000 Some people enjoy drinking.

00:26:32.000 I enjoy drinking.

00:26:33.000 I don't think that's a positive drug necessarily either.

00:26:35.000 So I don't know because I don't have experience with cocaine, but that's not something you're supposed to be doing three weeks outside of a world title fight with one of the best wrestlers in the sport.

00:26:44.000 One of the most difficult challenges you've ever faced in your professional career and you're out doing blow just 21 days before.

00:26:51.000 That's crazy.

00:26:52.000 Yeah, sometimes the most talented take the gifts that they've been given and just abuse them, in a way.

00:26:58.000 I met John Jones, he's different, to say the least.

00:27:03.000 In what way?

00:27:04.000 He's just, he was, I don't know, he was kind of, I only met him briefly, where was it?

00:27:12.000 I met him in Russia at the Legend.

00:27:15.000 There's a show there.

00:27:16.000 He was all over the place bouncing around.

00:27:21.000 I just didn't expect him to be like that.

00:27:24.000 What do you mean by all over the place bouncing around?

00:27:26.000 He just said to me, Hi, Blue Eyes.

00:27:28.000 I was like, Hello.

00:27:31.000 He's massive and dangerous and I'm not.

00:27:33.000 I was like, Hi.

00:27:35.000 I just found it a bit strange.

00:27:37.000 Did he joke around with you?

00:27:39.000 I just found him different.

00:27:42.000 Let's just say that.

00:27:43.000 I just found him different.

00:27:45.000 I'm trying to read into this.

00:27:46.000 And I'm trying to avoid it.

00:27:49.000 Badly.

00:27:50.000 No, I don't know him.

00:27:52.000 But I met, he was different.

00:27:54.000 Let's put it that way, you know?

00:27:56.000 But if they...

00:27:59.000 Someone...

00:27:59.000 I don't know.

00:28:00.000 You don't know what's going on in his life.

00:28:02.000 You know, you don't know what's going on in his life.

00:28:04.000 And you could say that about everyone.

00:28:05.000 You could say that about a serial killer, couldn't you?

00:28:07.000 Oh, we don't know what's going on in his life.

00:28:08.000 It's not his fault.

00:28:10.000 You know, really.

00:28:10.000 I mean, there is some things that you shouldn't do.

00:28:12.000 You know you shouldn't be doing it.

00:28:13.000 But there's a reason.

00:28:15.000 If you listen to John's coaches, they will tell you that John surrounds himself with the wrong people.

00:28:20.000 And John is...

00:28:24.000 Extremely talented guy.

00:28:26.000 Oh, amazingly talented.

00:28:27.000 Like, maybe one of the most talented guys to ever compete in the sport.

00:28:30.000 And incredibly strong mentally, too.

00:28:33.000 Because despite all of his issues with maybe not preparing as well as he could, when the chips are down, that guy gets through things.

00:28:42.000 He overcomes adversity.

00:28:43.000 He's not a frontrunner.

00:28:44.000 Well, he's the one that broke his toe, isn't he?

00:28:46.000 That was horrific.

00:28:48.000 But he didn't even realize that was happening.

00:28:49.000 That happened actually in the final flurry where he stopped Chael Sonnen.

00:28:54.000 A more impressive performance is when he fought Vitor Belfort.

00:28:57.000 Vitor completely hyperextended his arm and he would not tap.

00:29:01.000 It was for his title.

00:29:03.000 Vitor came that close.

00:29:04.000 Was it for the title?

00:29:05.000 I believe it was.

00:29:06.000 It might have been a non-title fight.

00:29:08.000 But Vitor came...

00:29:09.000 Find out if that was a title fight or non-title fight.

00:29:11.000 Either way, Vitor came that close to legitimately beating...

00:29:16.000 Yeah.

00:29:16.000 John Jones.

00:29:17.000 That close.

00:29:18.000 Got a fully locked in armbar that would have made 90% of the professional fighters in the world tap.

00:29:23.000 Well, that's what makes him who he is.

00:29:24.000 Yeah.

00:29:25.000 But he couldn't say no to...

00:29:27.000 It was a title fight?

00:29:28.000 Yeah, Jamie just looked it up.

00:29:29.000 But he couldn't say no to some blow.

00:29:31.000 Well, he could say no.

00:29:32.000 He didn't want to say no.

00:29:33.000 Exactly.

00:29:34.000 He didn't want to say no.

00:29:35.000 So there's some sort of...

00:29:36.000 I don't know whether it's weakness.

00:29:37.000 I don't know.

00:29:38.000 But there's some sort of weakness.

00:29:40.000 But is it a weakness?

00:29:41.000 That's what I said.

00:29:42.000 I don't know whether it is or whether it's not.

00:29:43.000 It shouldn't be something you should be doing.

00:29:45.000 But it's also indulgence.

00:29:47.000 It's like...

00:29:50.000 He likes to party.

00:29:51.000 But isn't there also the issue that fighters in particular, especially guys that have a lot of hard gym sessions and a lot of hard fights, they have impulse control problems.

00:30:03.000 And those impulse control problems, I'm obviously not a scientist or a doctor, but when you talk to neurologists and neuroscientists, They will tell you that there are direct correlations between head impacts and poor impulse control.

00:30:17.000 It is absolutely a direct impact.

00:30:20.000 And I, you know, not looking for a scapegoat in my own life, but I've looked back at some of the poor decision making that I've done in my life, particularly in my fighting times, like back then, and I was like, I wonder if a lot of that was getting hit in the head a lot.

00:30:35.000 Like, it can't be good to get kicked in the head.

00:30:40.000 It's just never good. 0.77

00:30:41.000 Not the best, is it?

00:30:42.000 It's just not good!

00:30:43.000 And so, if you've been kicked in the head or punched in the face or whatever, you know, any kind of impact, and that's the thing about football players they're saying now, is that even a shot to the chest, even getting tackled, like someone rams at you and slams their shoulders into your chest, the brain gets jostled around.

00:31:00.000 You might not have a bruise on your face, But your brain is receiving essentially the same impact as a punch.

00:31:07.000 Yeah.

00:31:08.000 Especially the massive.

00:31:09.000 Yes.

00:31:10.000 You know, it's a shame.

00:31:12.000 A lot of people might not like this, but it is a shame that Jon Jones has gone like that.

00:31:16.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:31:17.000 Because he's got to look back on him.

00:31:18.000 Yeah.

00:31:18.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:19.000 He's got to look back on him and think, fuck. 0.99

00:31:21.000 Well, he's also got to figure out what it is that he took. 0.99

00:31:25.000 They haven't isolated what he took, but...

00:31:29.000 The whole lifestyle, it's most certainly an issue, and it's almost like one of those things where you say you don't know what you got until it's gone.

00:31:39.000 Well, it was kind of gone for a little while, but not really.

00:31:42.000 He was always still in the mix, and there was always multi-million dollar fights awaiting, and then he fought over in St. Preux, so he's back in the mix, and everything's looking good.

00:31:51.000 He's slated to fight at UFC 200 against Daniel Cormier.

00:31:56.000 He's gonna make like 10 million bucks.

00:31:58.000 It's going to be giant and then whoosh.

00:32:01.000 It's gone for something that if you talk to people that are experts in performance enhancing drugs, they'll tell you that this clomiphene is what he got popped for, which is an anti-estrogen supplement.

00:32:15.000 That's not even beneficial.

00:32:17.000 The only time that stuff's beneficial is essentially when you're coming off of steroids.

00:32:22.000 But yet he didn't test positive for steroids before or after.

00:32:25.000 So it could have been a tainted supplement.

00:32:28.000 It could have been a mistake.

00:32:29.000 It could have been... 1.00

00:32:30.000 Who knows what wacky shit he was taking. 1.00

00:32:33.000 I mean, I don't know. 1.00

00:32:34.000 I just think that, you know, people forget that they lack...

00:32:36.000 That sometimes you've still got to have guidance.

00:32:39.000 You know?

00:32:40.000 You've still got to have a guide, you know, to just say, look, is that the best thing you should be doing?

00:32:44.000 Or someone to talk to, you know what I mean?

00:32:46.000 That's not going to be high-fiving you because you're going to, you know, stick a load of bugle up your nose.

00:32:52.000 Isn't it harder though, I think, for champions, because once they dominate someone and kick someone's ass, like say if you fight the most difficult fight of your career, you fight, you know, whether it's Daniel Cormier, whoever it is, you dominate him, you win in a beautiful fashion, 0.99

00:33:08.000 and then you're like, God damn it, I am the fucking man. 0.98

00:33:11.000 And then you just want to do whatever you want to do after that. 1.00

00:33:14.000 And it's indulgence and chaos.

00:33:17.000 Yeah, there is. 1.00

00:33:18.000 But it comes to bite you on the ass. 1.00

00:33:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:21.000 All the time. 1.00

00:33:21.000 It does, but goddammit, it is a fucking story that plays itself out over and over and over and over and over. 1.00

00:33:30.000 And there's a bunch of these distraction stories. 0.99

00:33:33.000 Like, the Ronda Rousey story is ultimately a story of distraction.

00:33:37.000 I mean, here's this woman who is just a freak, right? 1.00

00:33:42.000 A completely dominant female ass kicker. 1.00

00:33:45.000 Something that we've never had before. 0.98

00:33:47.000 I mean, you know, we had, like, female fighters before. 1.00

00:33:51.000 Like, you remember Christy Martin was sort of a...

00:33:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:53.000 Boxing, yeah.

00:33:53.000 Yeah, like, there was, like, a little bit of it with Leila Ali.

00:33:56.000 People were kind of paying attention to her, but no one was paying attention to anyone, even remotely on the scale of Ronda Rousey.

00:34:02.000 But what happens then?

00:34:04.000 Well...

00:34:06.000 Yeah.

00:34:10.000 Yeah.

00:34:23.000 And they're not getting all this attention.

00:34:26.000 They're just hungry.

00:34:27.000 Holly Holm, when she fought Ronda, was a massive underdog. 0.99

00:34:31.000 Meanwhile, she was a 19-time world boxing champion.

00:34:34.000 She was a far more accomplished striker than Ronda.

00:34:36.000 And Ronda fought the exact wrong fight when you're fighting a 19-time world boxing champion.

00:34:42.000 Whereas Misha Tate fought the exact right fight.

00:34:45.000 Yeah.

00:34:46.000 Stay on the outside.

00:34:47.000 Barely engage her with strikes.

00:34:49.000 Just push her. 1.00

00:34:50.000 Push her, but back up. 1.00

00:34:51.000 Push her and back up. 0.99

00:34:52.000 Push her. 1.00

00:34:53.000 Constantly move.

00:34:54.000 Constantly vary your approach.

00:34:56.000 And then when you get a hold of her, make it count.

00:34:58.000 And she did that in the second round, and then ultimately she did it in the fifth round and submitted her. 1.00

00:35:02.000 And that's what won her the fight.

00:35:04.000 The difference between someone who has everything to gain Like that.

00:35:10.000 Someone who's hungry. 0.99

00:35:11.000 And then the fucking mindset of someone who becomes super successful, like a Mike Tyson in his prime. 0.99

00:35:17.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:35:18.000 Like, you just start fucking off. 1.00

00:35:20.000 You start believing that no one's gonna beat your ass, and then you fight Buster Douglas with very little training, and he fucking puts that leather to your face. 1.00

00:35:27.000 And reality hits you when that referee's standing over you counting. 0.99

00:35:31.000 You realize, oh, this is happening to me now.

00:35:34.000 Yeah.

00:35:34.000 It must be difficult.

00:35:37.000 And it mustn't be easy.

00:35:38.000 But fighting's not easy, is it?

00:35:40.000 No, it's definitely not easy.

00:35:40.000 I mean, I was talking to somebody yesterday.

00:35:43.000 We went out to a Thai restaurant with some friends from Brian Dobler's gym, who's my mate of come to see over here.

00:35:49.000 And we're just talking about fighting.

00:35:51.000 Fighting is so hard.

00:35:53.000 Not only are you nervous, scared or whatever, but your corner's screaming at you. 1.00

00:35:58.000 You hear their corner screaming shit. 1.00

00:36:00.000 You're thinking, what are they telling him? 1.00

00:36:02.000 You're in the crowd if you're not zoned in properly.

00:36:05.000 And it's not easy.

00:36:06.000 And, you know, when fighters, all of a sudden, they...

00:36:09.000 They find something.

00:36:10.000 They might not have been the hardest kid at school.

00:36:12.000 They might not have been, you know, the most popular.

00:36:14.000 All of a sudden, you know, after a few fights, it just seems like whack, like John Jones or Ronda.

00:36:19.000 And all of a sudden, you're in this loads of money and people are paying you attention that, you know, wouldn't have talked to you at school and stuff like that.

00:36:26.000 It mustn't be easy.

00:36:28.000 But nevertheless, you've still got to think that, you know, you've got to maintain the rules.

00:36:35.000 You've got to provide the rules.

00:36:36.000 You have to have someone who helps you.

00:36:39.000 I think every fighter I mean I shouldn't say every fighter because some kind of figured out on their own there's some guys that don't seem to fall into those traps but Most fighters can use some sort of guidelines and there's also these facilitators that manifest themselves in your life.

00:36:54.000 These people that want to make your life easier so they could be a part of your life.

00:36:59.000 So they want to bring over girls. 1.00

00:37:01.000 They want to bring over booze. 1.00

00:37:03.000 They want to get you in the club. 0.97

00:37:05.000 They want to like, hey, this is that guy that he's going to set everything up for you.

00:37:09.000 I'll take care of it.

00:37:10.000 And what they're doing is these guys are, they get into your life.

00:37:15.000 And the way they get into your life is by making things easier for you so they could be a part of the, you know, Mike Tyson camp, or whatever it is. 1.00

00:37:22.000 And then next thing you know, you've got this entourage of 20 people hanging around you, and most of them are just fucking idiots. 1.00

00:37:27.000 And you don't know who they are. 1.00

00:37:28.000 And you're paying for their existence.

00:37:31.000 You're funding their existence, and what they do is they hold doors open for you, and they check you into hotel rooms.

00:37:37.000 They do all these things that you could do on your own, and they sort of make it easier.

00:37:40.000 And in making it easier, They sort of defined what is okay.

00:37:46.000 Yeah.

00:37:46.000 And then like, you know, no big deal.

00:37:47.000 We're just gonna go party. 1.00

00:37:48.000 You're gonna fuck this guy up anyway, man. 0.99

00:37:49.000 Let's go hit the club. 0.99

00:37:50.000 And then next thing you know, you're out late at night, not getting rest.

00:37:54.000 Your coach is texting you.

00:37:55.000 Are you in bed?

00:37:56.000 You know?

00:37:57.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:37:57.000 And you're not, because you're hanging around with these fucking Klingons. 1.00

00:38:01.000 And then when you've lost... 1.00

00:38:02.000 They vanish.

00:38:03.000 They vanish.

00:38:04.000 Then you've lost, you vanish, and then you've got to pick up the pieces.

00:38:07.000 And that's interesting what I'd like to do, is I'd like people for me to be able to hire me, obviously, to be able to talk to them.

00:38:18.000 You know, not just use hypnosis, but you talk to me, this is on my mind, well, this, this, and this. 1.00

00:38:22.000 You know, to put a block on before they do something that's fucking stupid. 1.00

00:38:27.000 Do you know what I mean? 1.00

00:38:28.000 I'd like to do that.

00:38:29.000 And I think I'd do that anyway.

00:38:31.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:38:32.000 But I just, it's difficult.

00:38:35.000 It's difficult to make it stick.

00:38:37.000 Yeah.

00:38:37.000 Like, if you have a good idea in your head about, like, you know what I need to do with my life?

00:38:41.000 I need to eat healthy, I need to exercise, and I need to follow my dreams.

00:38:45.000 Okay, good.

00:38:46.000 Right now.

00:38:46.000 That's a good thought right now.

00:38:48.000 But how do you keep that?

00:38:49.000 How do you make it stick?

00:38:51.000 And that's a big issue with people.

00:38:52.000 They go up and they go down. 0.78

00:38:54.000 I mean, how ridiculous are New Year's resolutions?

00:38:56.000 How many people have come to you after New Year's and they're like, I'm going to lose 50 pounds, I'm going to stop smoking, I'm not going to eat any unhealthy...

00:39:03.000 And then you see them...

00:39:05.000 Like, a couple weeks later, they look great.

00:39:06.000 Well, you're sticking to it.

00:39:07.000 That's awesome, man.

00:39:08.000 Congratulations.

00:39:09.000 Well, that's how health clubs make the money, isn't it?

00:39:10.000 Health clubs. 1.00

00:39:10.000 And then five months later, they're fat again, and they're looking stupid, and it's so normal. 1.00

00:39:16.000 Well, that's how health clubs make the money, isn't it? 1.00

00:39:18.000 It's so common.

00:39:18.000 Health clubs go, right, you join in January, you get free January, and then you blah, blah, blah, and they go, yeah, I don't have to have any joining fee, and then they join, and that's it, new year, new me.

00:39:27.000 January, there's the third.

00:39:28.000 New me.

00:39:29.000 Yeah, that's what they say.

00:39:30.000 New year, new me.

00:39:31.000 Yeah.

00:39:31.000 And then they're just like, January the 3rd, oh well, blah, blah, blah, can't be arsed.

00:39:37.000 I was listening to this TED Talk.

00:39:40.000 It was a TED podcast.

00:39:42.000 It was also a TED Talk where they were talking about time and the way people perceive time.

00:39:47.000 And the way people perceive time, they always perceive that they are now a finished product.

00:39:53.000 This is like a big thing that people like to do. 0.82

00:39:55.000 They look at themselves like, well, you know, when I was 20, I didn't know shit, but now that I'm 30, I got it together. 0.65

00:40:01.000 And then when they're 40, they go, well, when I was 30, I thought I knew something, but now I know things. 0.97

00:40:07.000 And they always want to think that they're done growing.

00:40:11.000 But what this podcast was sort of emphasizing is that people are in a constant state of change and evolution.

00:40:16.000 If you're thinking about things, you know, the expression, no one's perfect.

00:40:21.000 It was true. 0.75

00:40:22.000 No one is perfect.

00:40:23.000 So if in fact you're not perfect, that means you're considering whatever you've done that maybe you could have done better or maybe you could have handled better or maybe you could have thought about in a better way or a more beneficial way.

00:40:35.000 And then you grow and learn from that experience.

00:40:37.000 Yeah, in a constant state of flux.

00:40:40.000 You know, I'm a different person as I was.

00:40:41.000 I was here nearly spot on a year ago and I've learnt more and changed and had different opinions.

00:40:48.000 I think if you read anything or you, you know, because we've got YouTube and we've got the likes of you, you know, with Rhonda Patrick and about turmeric.

00:40:56.000 That I learnt from listening to you and listening to other people and off Facebook and I got a tumeric user group because I've got arthritis in my foot, went to the doctors, can't do anything, just have to take paracetamol.

00:41:08.000 Is that it?

00:41:08.000 And you use your arthritis from kickboxing?

00:41:10.000 Yes, ballet dancing or whatever I used to do.

00:41:12.000 You were ballet dancing?

00:41:13.000 No, I was lying.

00:41:14.000 I can't dance.

00:41:15.000 Don't be sad about dancing.

00:41:19.000 That's a real common one, right?

00:41:22.000 With the ankles and stuff?

00:41:23.000 Yeah.

00:41:24.000 And the doctor said, you know, that's it, basically.

00:41:28.000 You take paracetamol.

00:41:30.000 What is paracetamol?

00:41:32.000 Paracetamol is a painkiller. 1.00

00:41:34.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:41:35.000 Paracetamol. 1.00

00:41:35.000 So I just thought, you know what, you can't keep taking ibuprofen. 1.00

00:41:39.000 I remember you saying to Joe about ibuprofen.

00:41:41.000 It causes inflammation anyway.

00:41:43.000 So I put it on Facebook and said, does anyone get an experience with arthritis?

00:41:46.000 One of my friends, Lee Fraser, can't praise him enough to be honest, thanks Lee, he said he takes turmeric.

00:41:51.000 So I started researching it.

00:41:53.000 You'd mentioned it to Joe.

00:41:54.000 Where curcumin is the active ingredient.

00:41:59.000 So I looked on a turmeric user group, and then they said this thing about golden paste, which is turmeric, black pepper, and coconut oil.

00:42:07.000 You cook it for seven minutes with water, make a paste of it, and you look on Facebook, turmeric user group, and you basically take that.

00:42:17.000 I've been taking it regularly, and it's no pain.

00:42:20.000 No pain whatsoever.

00:42:22.000 So it's brilliant.

00:42:23.000 It's information.

00:42:24.000 So you grind up the turmeric?

00:42:26.000 No.

00:42:26.000 Are you taking it in a supplement form or are you getting it from a root itself?

00:42:31.000 No, you get turmeric.

00:42:32.000 The root.

00:42:32.000 You just get turmeric.

00:42:33.000 Yeah, the powder.

00:42:34.000 Okay.

00:42:34.000 So you know you could buy the root.

00:42:36.000 The root is really common now.

00:42:37.000 It's really interesting.

00:42:38.000 Not in Liverpool.

00:42:39.000 Not in Liverpool?

00:42:40.000 No.

00:42:40.000 No, not really.

00:42:41.000 Do you have shitty supermarkets over there? 0.95

00:42:44.000 I mean, I'm not going to slag Aldi off or anything like that. 0.98

00:42:47.000 What is Aldi?

00:42:47.000 It's a supermarket.

00:42:48.000 Oh, okay.

00:42:49.000 Slag is another one. 0.99

00:42:50.000 Slag it off. 1.00

00:42:51.000 Talking rubbish. 0.98

00:42:52.000 So, no, the powder works.

00:42:55.000 I don't know the actual measurements of it, but say it's a cup of water, half a cup of turmeric.

00:43:03.000 You cook it for seven minutes on a low heat until it starts getting into a paste.

00:43:07.000 You add black pepper, like maybe two teaspoons of it.

00:43:10.000 White pepper.

00:43:11.000 Because it's an active ingredient.

00:43:12.000 I think it makes it 400 times more absorbable into your body.

00:43:16.000 Really?

00:43:17.000 Yeah.

00:43:17.000 Wow.

00:43:18.000 Black pepper.

00:43:19.000 Yeah, this thing called pepperine.

00:43:20.000 Huh.

00:43:21.000 Yeah.

00:43:21.000 And why does it have to be cooked?

00:43:23.000 I don't know.

00:43:25.000 I'm not going to pretend to do it.

00:43:26.000 I couldn't lie.

00:43:26.000 How bad does it taste when you eat it?

00:43:29.000 Not the best.

00:43:30.000 But the thing is, what would you rather have?

00:43:34.000 Pain?

00:43:34.000 Or, oh, that was horrible.

00:43:36.000 Yeah, no, listen, I'm the king of drinking disgusting things. 0.99

00:43:39.000 I drink a lot of shitty things. 0.98

00:43:41.000 But it does work. 0.99

00:43:42.000 A lot of people have tried my kale shake recipe and almost vomited.

00:43:45.000 I have a friend who, I have a friend called Nathan Wright and his hands, he said he couldn't, his hands were that bad with arthritis that he couldn't, you know, spray deodorant, said he stunk and that's his words, not mine.

00:43:58.000 And then he started taking this turmeric paste and he's fine.

00:44:01.000 He's come like 80, 90% better.

00:44:03.000 I mean, come on.

00:44:04.000 Do you use fish oil and have you altered your diet?

00:44:07.000 Me?

00:44:08.000 Yes.

00:44:08.000 Yes, I do take a lot of fish oil.

00:44:10.000 How much do you take?

00:44:12.000 I take two massive tablespoons of it when I'm at home.

00:44:16.000 That's great.

00:44:16.000 Because I've been in the States, I was taking five capsules with water.

00:44:20.000 I was taking ubiquinol.

00:44:22.000 What's ubiquinol?

00:44:24.000 Coenzyme Q10, but it's a little bit of a higher level one.

00:44:28.000 And, yeah, and my friend now, Aaron, has just got this turmeric and arnica Thai oil type stuff called Three Leopards Liniment that I've, you know, you're going to try.

00:44:43.000 I had a massage of it yesterday.

00:44:46.000 Well, let me clear up your word there.

00:44:48.000 Thai liniment is what you're saying.

00:44:49.000 Yes.

00:44:50.000 It smells the same as Thai oil.

00:44:52.000 Well, let me explain to people what that is.

00:44:53.000 Yeah, your best dad.

00:44:54.000 That's a liniment that TIE fighters would use for sore muscles and things along those lines.

00:44:59.000 Yeah, it smells like wintergreen, you know, menthol and stuff like that.

00:45:03.000 I don't know what's in it.

00:45:04.000 Or Tiger Balm was a big one.

00:45:05.000 Yeah, a bit like that.

00:45:06.000 But it's...

00:45:07.000 What does that stuff do?

00:45:08.000 It's very good.

00:45:09.000 Arnica gets rid of bruises.

00:45:11.000 I'm always showing you.

00:45:13.000 Arnica gets rid of pruses and... 1.00

00:45:15.000 But how?

00:45:16.000 Does it really work?

00:45:17.000 Well, I've only just started using it, but as far as I'm concerned, I liked it.

00:45:23.000 Look, I have a friend who's a doctor and he told me that all that stuff like Bengay, and I go, oh, that stuff makes you feel better.

00:45:29.000 He goes, mm...

00:45:30.000 He goes, it's a topical analgesic.

00:45:32.000 I go, what does that mean?

00:45:32.000 He goes, it makes your skin red.

00:45:34.000 Oh.

00:45:34.000 It makes you feel like a lot's happening, like you had heat there, it feels good, but he goes, in order for that stuff to absorb deeply into your system, get into your tissue, he's like, it would have to get into your bloodstream, and then it would be toxic.

00:45:49.000 Yeah.

00:45:50.000 And I was like, oh yeah.

00:45:53.000 It feels good.

00:45:54.000 When you take like one of those, some Tiger Balm, I have these patches that I'll put on.

00:45:59.000 Like if I have a muscle pull or something like that, I'll put a Tiger Balm patch on it.

00:46:02.000 And it somehow or another relaxes it in some sort of a way, but it might be psychological.

00:46:07.000 That's what the oil does, whether it's psychological or not.

00:46:09.000 It's just, I like it.

00:46:10.000 Smells nice.

00:46:12.000 Smells like a normal smell.

00:46:13.000 So this Arnica Thai liniment stuff your friend uses, it's turmeric as well?

00:46:20.000 Yeah, turmeric as well, yeah.

00:46:22.000 There's loads of spiel on it, you know, on the bottle, but I'm just one of these people, me, oh, try it.

00:46:27.000 You know, and I had a massage of it yesterday, and I feel relaxed.

00:46:33.000 Well, they say that most of the issues that people have, even like a lot of diseases, they stem from inflammation.

00:46:40.000 And a lot of inflammation is caused by diet.

00:46:43.000 It's caused by, you know, just eating bad food and not being healthy.

00:46:47.000 And so your body has this reaction to this food.

00:46:49.000 It's an inflammatory reaction.

00:46:52.000 Yeah.

00:46:53.000 It's certainly not easy when you find out what gives you inflammation and what doesn't.

00:46:58.000 I don't know.

00:46:59.000 I think it must vary from person to person.

00:47:01.000 Yes, it most certainly does.

00:47:03.000 It's sensitive to certain things and different things.

00:47:06.000 But the golden paste, the turmeric thing has worked brilliant for me.

00:47:09.000 I can't praise it enough.

00:47:11.000 That's interesting.

00:47:12.000 And so how quickly did it take, like, how long did it take before it was like you were really rock solid with it where you realized that this is really beneficial for you?

00:47:21.000 Honestly, about two days.

00:47:23.000 Two days?

00:47:23.000 Honestly.

00:47:24.000 That's incredible.

00:47:25.000 And I was really pissed.

00:47:26.000 Are you working for the turmeric industry?

00:47:27.000 I am.

00:47:28.000 I was really, yeah, yeah.

00:47:29.000 And you can buy this.

00:47:31.000 No, I was really pissed off because the doctor went, well, there's nothing you can do.

00:47:36.000 And sometimes you say to the doctor, I think I've got this, that and the other, and because they think that you're self-diagnosing, they think, no, you're not.

00:47:42.000 Right.

00:47:43.000 You know, they're sort of like, you know, and I just said, look, you know, and she said, well, it's arthritis, you know, just paracetamol.

00:47:52.000 And I didn't want that.

00:47:53.000 You know, I didn't want that, and then when I put on Facebook, which is a good tool sometimes for getting information, like the internet is, and it worked a treat, and then it got into this group, and yeah, it was brilliant, and it's worked for me fantastically well.

00:48:06.000 Yeah, you have to sort of separate the bullshit from the reality, but if you can do that, you can definitely find a lot of stuff online.

00:48:13.000 It's confusing to me when doctors dismiss dietary solutions, you know, because very few doctors are really well-educated in nutrition, and especially educated in the understanding of the mechanisms involved in absorbing nutrients.

00:48:32.000 And what compounds or accentuates nutrition absorption?

00:48:37.000 And what's beneficial?

00:48:38.000 There's so many doctors who just, they poo-poo it because they don't understand it.

00:48:43.000 They have no knowledge of it.

00:48:45.000 Well, my friend, when he took turmeric, he went to the doctors.

00:48:49.000 And the doctor was saying, you know, you can take these, whatever, alluprenol I think it is.

00:48:54.000 And he said to him, right, take this.

00:48:56.000 And he went, oh, I've stopped having the, because he had a regular checkup, he had gout really badly.

00:49:02.000 And he went in and then the doctor said, he said, I've been taking turmeric.

00:49:05.000 And he said to me, he said to the doctor, the doctor said, well, I have heard of that, but it's not been tested.

00:49:10.000 Tumeric's not been tested?

00:49:11.000 He said, well, I have heard it works, but it's not been tested.

00:49:14.000 So they're aware, I think.

00:49:15.000 I think they're aware.

00:49:16.000 I don't want to piss on doctors, because some of them are brilliant, aren't they?

00:49:19.000 Are there double-blind, placebo-controlled studies from any major university that shows the beneficial effects of turmeric?

00:49:24.000 It doesn't probably make any money, does it, turmeric?

00:49:27.000 Well, it should.

00:49:28.000 You know?

00:49:29.000 I mean, it seems like it should, right?

00:49:30.000 I mean, isn't there a massive industry in helping people with inflamed tendons?

00:49:36.000 The problem with those things is you can't control it.

00:49:38.000 Like, if you do a study on, you know, whatever, fill in the blank, Tylenol, something like that.

00:49:43.000 Someone created Tylenol.

00:49:45.000 So if you do a study on Tylenol and it shows its efficacy, then you can sell more of it.

00:49:50.000 But if you do a study on turmeric, I'm like, great, thanks for funding the study, I'm going to go sell it now.

00:49:55.000 And I'm going to point to your study, and I'm going to make a ton of money off of your study, and I can just grow it in my backyard.

00:50:01.000 That's the problem with marijuana. 0.95

00:50:03.000 And it's a problem with any sort of, it's a survey.

00:50:07.000 It's like 100 people surveyed.

00:50:09.000 I've never been asked about it.

00:50:11.000 We're not talking about surveys.

00:50:13.000 We're talking about double-blind placebo-controlled studies on inflammation, if they did something along those lines.

00:50:19.000 One of the big issues that's going on with medical marijuana is the There's a pushback from pharmaceutical companies that are trying to stop medical marijuana from becoming legal nationwide, and they've halted, at least delayed, the Supreme Court's changing of the designation from a Schedule I to a Schedule II in this country.

00:50:40.000 Schedule I shows no medicinal value whatsoever.

00:50:42.000 That's where marijuana is. 0.98

00:50:44.000 Meanwhile, marijuana is passed as a medical supplement in I don't know how many states now.

00:50:50.000 I think it's like 20. And it's legal in four or five states now.

00:50:54.000 It's legal in Washington, D.C. It's legal in Colorado.

00:50:56.000 It's legal in Washington State.

00:50:58.000 It's legal in Oregon.

00:51:00.000 Just recreationally.

00:51:02.000 So it's obviously there's some benefit of it medically.

00:51:05.000 If all these doctors are prescribing it, it shows massive reduction in tumors with the use of CBD. It helps control pain.

00:51:13.000 Rick Simpson oil.

00:51:14.000 Yes, yeah.

00:51:15.000 I mean, it's incredible how much benefit there is in this one plant, but yet the pushback from the pharmaceutical industry is still incredibly strong.

00:51:24.000 I posted something really recently.

00:51:28.000 There was a chart that showed how much money the pharmaceutical industry...

00:51:34.000 It stands to lose if medical cannabis is made legal nationwide and readily available.

00:51:40.000 It's billions of dollars every year they're going to lose.

00:51:42.000 Because all these solutions that they offer, there's better, simpler, and far cheaper solutions with cannabis.

00:51:50.000 Especially because it's one of the easiest things to grow.

00:51:54.000 I mean, a lot of people grow their own tomatoes in their backyard and things like that.

00:51:57.000 Pot, all you do is plant it, throw some water on it, it's done.

00:52:01.000 Not in England.

00:52:02.000 Not in England?

00:52:02.000 You won't grow?

00:52:03.000 It won't grow unless you get...

00:52:05.000 Well, I don't know.

00:52:05.000 Why?

00:52:06.000 It's rains there all the time.

00:52:07.000 Well, it's not...

00:52:08.000 We're not the best weather, have we?

00:52:10.000 You know what I mean?

00:52:10.000 I guarantee you weed will grow in England.

00:52:12.000 Yeah, it would if you had a tent.

00:52:13.000 Let's try it.

00:52:14.000 You had a tent and some lights and...

00:52:16.000 Let's try it and film it live.

00:52:18.000 Yeah.

00:52:19.000 And let everybody know where it is.

00:52:20.000 Here's shawmen getting arrested live! 1.00

00:52:22.000 How illegal is pot in England?

00:52:25.000 I think you can get arrested.

00:52:28.000 I don't know.

00:52:29.000 I'm not very good with being dangerous.

00:52:32.000 Meanwhile, everybody's drunk.

00:52:33.000 I've never seen more drunk people in England.

00:52:35.000 Yeah, well, that's it.

00:52:35.000 That's all we do.

00:52:36.000 God damn you people love to drink. 0.99

00:52:37.000 It's hilarious. 1.00

00:52:38.000 But you're good at it.

00:52:39.000 That's the other thing.

00:52:40.000 I'm not. 0.99

00:52:41.000 I'm rubbish. 0.99

00:52:42.000 English people are way better at being drunk. 1.00

00:52:44.000 Yeah, I think that I'm rubbish at drinking. 0.97

00:52:46.000 You are? 0.94

00:52:46.000 Oh, God, yeah. 0.94

00:52:48.000 Awful.

00:52:49.000 Yeah, when do I start crying?

00:52:50.000 Do you sing?

00:52:50.000 I cry, sing, dance.

00:52:52.000 Hug people you shouldn't hug?

00:52:53.000 Hang on too long?

00:52:54.000 Yeah, and just memory loss, you know, vomit, you know, the usual stuff.

00:53:00.000 But, you know, I don't know.

00:53:02.000 With cannabis, I don't take it, but, I mean, to see what's going on.

00:53:07.000 I believe that there's a cure for everything on the planet.

00:53:10.000 I think there's loads of stuff that we haven't...

00:53:14.000 Explored.

00:53:15.000 The mind as well.

00:53:16.000 I just think there's loads of stuff to explore yet.

00:53:18.000 The mind is a fascinating solution to a lot of issues that people have and thinking positive or thinking negative or worry and the stress and we were talking earlier about cortisol and the stress response to literally thinking about something affects your physical health and thinking about things in the wrong way affects your physical health.

00:53:39.000 Yeah.

00:53:40.000 I mean, we got, we got, I think we got more things to worry about.

00:53:43.000 I think we got more things to worry about now, but they're actually not anything to worry about.

00:53:47.000 Does that make sense? 1.00

00:53:49.000 You know, you look at Facebook and you get mad over someone's fucking idiot. 1.00

00:53:53.000 Some Trump supporter. 1.00

00:53:54.000 How dare you?

00:53:55.000 I don't know anything about that.

00:53:56.000 And you start typing something.

00:53:58.000 What am I doing that?

00:53:58.000 When you get involved in something or you get angry about something, I do it.

00:54:02.000 You know, I'm not going to lie. 0.99

00:54:03.000 And you just think to yourself, what the fuck? 1.00

00:54:04.000 What am I doing? 0.99

00:54:05.000 And I think years ago when the caveman was only worried about if something's going to eat them or they've got to eat something.

00:54:13.000 And I think that might have been easier.

00:54:15.000 Of course, he died of diseases and he may have died younger or whatever.

00:54:18.000 But I mean, I bet they lived a more peaceful life in their own life.

00:54:21.000 They didn't have Facebook though.

00:54:23.000 That's part of the problem.

00:54:24.000 They didn't have anything to look at.

00:54:26.000 And they didn't have comments on YouTube like John Wayne Parr was saying.

00:54:30.000 He gets mad.

00:54:31.000 Yeah, but I mean, I just...

00:54:32.000 I got the same.

00:54:34.000 I got all...

00:54:35.000 I was called Varys of Game of Thrones.

00:54:38.000 Which I was quite pleased about.

00:54:40.000 I was like, I'll take Lord Varys. 0.99

00:54:42.000 He's got no penis. 0.99

00:54:43.000 Nothing wrong with that. 1.00

00:54:44.000 No.

00:54:45.000 But I just think, you know, I don't get it.

00:54:47.000 Some things I don't get.

00:54:48.000 I don't get haters.

00:54:50.000 I don't understand them.

00:54:51.000 But don't you, though?

00:54:52.000 Because when we were talking about all these different things that happen in life that sort of set you up for the next stages of life and define you and sort of alter and affect your decision-making process and your behaviour process...

00:55:08.000 Don't you think that a lot of these people just live very unfortunate existences?

00:55:13.000 And whether it's by chance or whether it's by bad decision-making that has just compounded itself over the years, when you see some of the hateful things that people posted about, let's say, John Wayne Parr, who's the nicest guy.

00:55:27.000 Yeah, indeed.

00:55:28.000 Brilliant guy.

00:55:28.000 And multiple time world Muay Thai champion.

00:55:31.000 Incredibly accomplished.

00:55:32.000 His wife's nice. 0.98

00:55:33.000 His kids are great.

00:55:34.000 Fantastic.

00:55:34.000 His kid's so cool.

00:55:35.000 By the way, there's a video of his kid hitting the pads.

00:55:38.000 You want to see something impressive?

00:55:39.000 His kid is fighting.

00:55:41.000 I think she's fighting on the 20th.

00:55:43.000 20th.

00:55:44.000 Jazzy, yeah.

00:55:44.000 Jazzy.

00:55:45.000 And he sent me this video of her hitting the pads.

00:55:48.000 And you're like...

00:55:49.000 She can sing and everything, you know.

00:55:51.000 His son can do flips.

00:55:53.000 They're like a ninja family.

00:55:54.000 Yeah, they're pretty incredible.

00:55:56.000 His wife was a fighter as well.

00:55:58.000 I went over there and stayed with them.

00:55:59.000 I went to their show and that.

00:56:01.000 Listen, nothing but respect for John Wayne Pine.

00:56:03.000 He's a lovely, lovely guy.

00:56:04.000 And he's got a great sense of humor as well.

00:56:06.000 Don't take himself too seriously.

00:56:08.000 No, he's very self-deprecating.

00:56:10.000 He's very aware of how good he is, but he's also very self-deprecating.

00:56:14.000 Like, watch this.

00:56:15.000 Let's watch this video.

00:56:16.000 This is her.

00:56:20.000 What happened?

00:56:22.000 What'd you do?

00:56:23.000 You changed the screens?

00:56:26.000 Did your computer fail?

00:56:34.000 She's in Thailand, and this girl is like, what is she, 10?

00:56:39.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:56:40.000 That's their gym in Australia, Boon Gym. 1.00

00:56:43.000 Oh, okay.

00:56:46.000 Oh, there's another one.

00:56:48.000 There's one that I looked at that was different.

00:56:49.000 It was on YouTube.

00:56:50.000 Oh, she's 13 years old.

00:56:52.000 Okay.

00:56:52.000 But the point is, you know, there's people that hate on this guy, and they're not well.

00:57:00.000 No.

00:57:00.000 Like, they're not happy.

00:57:01.000 They're not looking at him and going, you fucking loser. 0.99

00:57:04.000 They're not, like, finding a reason why he's... 1.00

00:57:06.000 They're just trying to find a reason.

00:57:08.000 I got it.

00:57:09.000 I got one about a hypnotherapist saying, oh, he knows nothing.

00:57:13.000 It's like, right, okay.

00:57:13.000 When did you get this?

00:57:14.000 Oh, just one of the comments, you know.

00:57:16.000 And I was just like, and he was like, yeah, you know nothing about hypnosis.

00:57:19.000 I'm like, right, well, I'm here and you're not.

00:57:22.000 Sorry.

00:57:23.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:23.000 What does that mean, you know nothing?

00:57:25.000 You know nothing about Darren Brown and all that.

00:57:27.000 I've only been to see him three times, read all his books, and he's an amazing, amazing guy.

00:57:31.000 And I know that.

00:57:32.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:33.000 But I just think you'll get, whatever you get, whatever you do, I deem this...

00:57:38.000 Like, I think Joe Schilling said, Jesus was great.

00:57:42.000 You'd invite him to a party, he could turn this water into wine, he could, hey, your granddad dead, don't worry, bing, we'll bring him back to life.

00:57:48.000 You broke your leg, there you go.

00:57:50.000 You know, we'll go fishing, catch all the fish.

00:57:52.000 He was a great guy, they still killed him.

00:57:54.000 You know, you're going to get people who are going to hate you just because.

00:57:58.000 It's more about them than it is about you.

00:57:59.000 It is more about them than it is about you.

00:58:01.000 That's a big factor with online interaction with people.

00:58:06.000 What you're doing is you're interacting with their own past and their own failures.

00:58:11.000 And the vast majority of people in this life are not living fulfilled and happy existences.

00:58:19.000 Faceless assassins.

00:58:21.000 Aren't they?

00:58:22.000 The faceless assassins, really, like snipers of nothingness.

00:58:25.000 Oh, you mean commenters?

00:58:26.000 Yeah, but they're not really faceless, right?

00:58:28.000 Like, at the end of the day, if you get to who they really are and what's really bothering them, they're no different than you or I. They just, they got a fucked up start in this life and they never recovered. 0.89

00:58:38.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:58:38.000 That's what most of it is. 0.98

00:58:40.000 You're turning into me. 0.50

00:58:41.000 No, I've always been like this.

00:58:42.000 I mean, there's a whole video I did on YouTube, Be the Hero of Your Own Movie.

00:58:49.000 Yeah, I've seen it.

00:58:49.000 It's very good.

00:58:49.000 If you were in a movie, and the movie started right now, and you're a fucking failure, just think about where your life's at.

00:58:55.000 What would the hero do? 0.99

00:58:56.000 What would you do?

00:58:57.000 Have you seen the Idris Elba one?

00:58:59.000 No.

00:58:59.000 My friend Warren Brown works with Idris Elba.

00:59:01.000 He's on a TV show called Lufa.

00:59:02.000 Is he the new 007?

00:59:04.000 Did they make him 007?

00:59:05.000 A lot of white people are freaking out.

00:59:07.000 I don't care, as long as he has vodka, martini, shake and not stir. 0.84

00:59:11.000 I don't care what color he is. 0.67

00:59:14.000 Warren, he works with him, and he's doing a show now for Discovery, and he's training to be a kickboxer.

00:59:19.000 He's going to have a fight.

00:59:20.000 Idris is?

00:59:21.000 Yes.

00:59:21.000 He's going to fight?

00:59:22.000 Yeah.

00:59:22.000 Who's he fighting?

00:59:23.000 I don't know yet.

00:59:23.000 How old is he?

00:59:25.000 I think he's 42. And he's going to have his first ever kickboxing fight?

00:59:28.000 Yeah, my friend Kieran Kettle, he's training him and they've been all over.

00:59:33.000 It's a show with Discovery.

00:59:34.000 I was meant to be on it and be the mind coach for the show, but I don't know what happened.

00:59:38.000 Is there any video of him training?

00:59:40.000 Not yet.

00:59:41.000 No?

00:59:42.000 Not yet.

00:59:42.000 See if you can find something, Jamie.

00:59:43.000 But Warren, Warren who was on the show with him.

00:59:45.000 This video, he found it already.

00:59:46.000 Oh right, have you got it yet?

00:59:47.000 How dare you, not yet me.

00:59:48.000 I'm sorry.

00:59:49.000 Here he is, let me see.

00:59:52.000 Oh Jesus.

00:59:53.000 That's Daniel Sam as well, from England.

00:59:57.000 Not bad.

00:59:58.000 A little stiff.

01:00:01.000 It's hard to see.

01:00:02.000 Oh, it's terrible. 0.99

01:00:05.000 Someone's gonna tell him to keep his fucking hands up. 0.99

01:00:08.000 Look at his kicks, though. 0.99

01:00:10.000 Not too bad.

01:00:11.000 Not too bad. 1.00

01:00:11.000 If you stand right in front of him, he'll fuck you up. 1.00

01:00:15.000 He's game, though. 1.00

01:00:16.000 He's game.

01:00:17.000 Yeah, well, listen, he's gotta be if he's actually gonna have a fight.

01:00:20.000 Yeah, he's game.

01:00:21.000 God, he's so off balance, though.

01:00:24.000 Right when I say that, he falls.

01:00:26.000 It's like you're watching his fundamentals.

01:00:28.000 It's almost like he really shouldn't be hitting pads here.

01:00:32.000 If I was coaching a guy like that, I would tell him, all I want you to do is touch these things.

01:00:36.000 His video's over five years old.

01:00:37.000 He's over five years old.

01:00:38.000 Oh, so he's gotten better.

01:00:39.000 Yeah, he has.

01:00:41.000 Okay.

01:00:41.000 Well, hey, man.

01:00:43.000 That's really good, then.

01:00:44.000 If that's five years ago and he's been steady at it since then, that's really good.

01:00:48.000 Because he's got some basic movements down, the way he's throwing his weight into things.

01:00:53.000 He just...

01:00:54.000 You know, guys try to hit things hard before they learn how to hit things right.

01:00:58.000 Yeah.

01:00:59.000 Correct.

01:01:00.000 Yeah.

01:01:01.000 Yeah.

01:01:01.000 Because his friend who was in it, in Luther, the other detective was Warren Brown, who's my mate, my friend.

01:01:07.000 He won two world titles in Thai boxing.

01:01:10.000 So I think they've been talking about and Warren's been helping him and Kieran's been helping him, but it should be a good show because you see all of him, you see him training and between movies like he's made when we Spielberg, The Dark Tower or something with Matthew McConaughey.

01:01:22.000 Where is he in a fight?

01:01:22.000 I don't know.

01:01:23.000 When?

01:01:23.000 I think maybe in Thailand.

01:01:25.000 I actually don't know.

01:01:26.000 In Thailand?

01:01:26.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:01:27.000 Jesus, he's going deep.

01:01:29.000 I know.

01:01:29.000 So you've got to give him respect, man.

01:01:31.000 So he's going to fight full Muay Thai rules, the whole deal?

01:01:33.000 I think he's fighting K1 rules.

01:01:34.000 Oh, okay, no elbows. 0.89

01:01:36.000 Which would be, I think, damn sight easier. 0.97

01:01:37.000 Right, so you don't get elbowed in the face and get cut up. 0.92

01:01:39.000 Yeah, and clinched and all that sort of business.

01:01:41.000 But you've got to give him respect.

01:01:42.000 I like that. 1.00

01:01:43.000 Fuck, yeah. 1.00

01:01:44.000 And I like the way he's testing himself. 1.00

01:01:45.000 But he's done a video on YouTube about life and that and how he envisioned himself doing this.

01:01:51.000 I knew I really liked that.

01:01:52.000 I was gutted when I weren't part of the show.

01:01:54.000 I really wanted to do that.

01:01:56.000 When you went what?

01:01:57.000 I was gutted.

01:01:58.000 You were gutted when what happened?

01:01:59.000 I don't know a word you just said.

01:02:01.000 I was disappointed.

01:02:02.000 What did you just say?

01:02:04.000 It's part and parcel.

01:02:05.000 That's what I kept saying last time.

01:02:07.000 I was upset, gutted.

01:02:09.000 You were upset when what?

01:02:11.000 I was going to be part of the show.

01:02:13.000 Oh, you were going to be part of it.

01:02:14.000 They were going to use me as a mind coach, you know, because fighters have mind coaches now.

01:02:17.000 But anyway, logistically it didn't work and stuff like that.

01:02:20.000 But I mean, I wish him all the best and Kieran and everyone on the show.

01:02:23.000 It would be brilliant.

01:02:24.000 So who's coaching him?

01:02:25.000 Kieran Kettle.

01:02:26.000 Oh, from CSA? No, Kieran.

01:02:28.000 No, it's Kieran.

01:02:29.000 Oh, okay.

01:02:30.000 Kieran Kettle.

01:02:31.000 He's from England.

01:02:31.000 Yeah.

01:02:33.000 Kieran from CSA is an Irish gentleman, right?

01:02:36.000 What is his last name?

01:02:37.000 Kieran.

01:02:37.000 I don't know if he's...

01:02:38.000 Kieran.

01:02:39.000 Kieran, I don't know his second name.

01:02:41.000 I forget his last name.

01:02:42.000 What's his second name?

01:02:44.000 Fitzgibbons.

01:02:44.000 Yeah, he's a good coach.

01:02:46.000 He coaches Zoila, doesn't he?

01:02:47.000 And Kevin Ross.

01:02:49.000 He's a good coach.

01:02:50.000 And Gaston Balanos.

01:02:51.000 Right, right, right.

01:02:52.000 Who's very good.

01:02:52.000 Yeah, very good.

01:02:53.000 Have you seen the fight between Mohamed Jariah and Nordin Benmo?

01:02:56.000 No.

01:02:57.000 Can you flash it up?

01:02:59.000 Right now?

01:03:00.000 Spell it out, yeah.

01:03:01.000 Jariah is J-A-R-A-Y-A. No, J-A-R-A-Y-A, V-Ben Moe, B-A-N-M-O-H. He's only just watched the third round.

01:03:15.000 Look at his face.

01:03:16.000 He didn't get a word of that.

01:03:17.000 I could tell.

01:03:19.000 Spell it out slowly.

01:03:20.000 J-A-R-A-Y-A versus Ben Moe, B-E-N-M-O-H. I'm writing it with no finger. 1.00

01:03:32.000 M-O-H? Is that what you said?

01:03:33.000 Yeah, the Moroccan. 1.00

01:03:34.000 Did you say H or H? H. Why do you say H? H. Is that how you guys say H? Yeah.

01:03:41.000 H? H. You guys do that too with Z. You say Zed. 0.98

01:03:45.000 Yeah, we do. 1.00

01:03:45.000 What the fuck is that? 1.00

01:03:46.000 We do. 1.00

01:03:47.000 I don't know.

01:03:48.000 We invented it.

01:03:49.000 But that's what I don't understand.

01:03:50.000 How did it get abandoned?

01:03:51.000 You need to keep up.

01:03:52.000 There seems to be some disconnect between some of the words.

01:03:55.000 Like, tires.

01:03:56.000 You guys use a Y in tires.

01:03:58.000 And color.

01:03:59.000 We don't have U in it.

01:03:59.000 You guys have a U in color.

01:04:01.000 What the fuck is that about? 0.98

01:04:03.000 Do you have extra U's laying around? 0.99

01:04:04.000 Yeah, we just throw this in.

01:04:06.000 Why is Tire T-Y-R-E-S? I haven't got a foggiest.

01:04:10.000 Who invented tires?

01:04:11.000 I think we did. 1.00

01:04:11.000 So you might want to fuck off. 1.00

01:04:13.000 Right, I'll go now. 1.00

01:04:16.000 So what do you want me to see about this fight?

01:04:18.000 This fight is one of the best kickboxing fights I've ever seen in my life.

01:04:22.000 Really?

01:04:23.000 When was this? 0.97

01:04:23.000 It's absolutely ridiculous. 0.97

01:04:24.000 It was last year on Infusion Watch. 0.86

01:04:27.000 It's because I have a commentator and I work for these, but these two knock the proverbial holes out of each other.

01:04:34.000 May 27th?

01:04:35.000 Is it March?

01:04:36.000 March 27th?

01:04:36.000 February 27th.

01:04:37.000 Oh, okay.

01:04:38.000 What is MCH? What does that sign?

01:04:39.000 Oh, it's the...

01:04:40.000 Okay, I see what you're saying.

01:04:43.000 Just put round three on.

01:04:44.000 And Nfusion is with an E, folks. 0.72

01:04:47.000 E-N-F-U-S-I-O-N. Is a Muay Thai organization in Europe?

01:04:53.000 Yeah, in Holland.

01:04:55.000 They're doing a 200,000 euro tournament in September the 17th.

01:05:00.000 But this kid, Jiraiya, is 19. And it's absolutely ridiculous fight.

01:05:10.000 Wow. 0.90

01:05:10.000 Okay, I'll check it out. 0.90

01:05:11.000 Yeah, do so.

01:05:12.000 I'll check it out.

01:05:13.000 I'm obviously a big fan of kickboxing, and I'm super psyched that Glory is going to put on Badr Hari versus Rico Verhoeven if Badr Hari can stay out of jail.

01:05:23.000 Yeah, no, he's not in jail.

01:05:25.000 He's not in jail.

01:05:26.000 He's out.

01:05:26.000 Not right now.

01:05:26.000 He's out.

01:05:27.000 No, he's not right now.

01:05:28.000 But this is a long time between now and December.

01:05:30.000 Well, we'll see.

01:05:31.000 Who do you think?

01:05:32.000 Who would you pick? 1.00

01:05:33.000 He makes Jon Jones look like a fucking choir boy. 1.00

01:05:35.000 I know, true. 1.00

01:05:36.000 Doesn't he?

01:05:37.000 Yeah, well, who would you say?

01:05:40.000 It's an interesting fight.

01:05:41.000 It is.

01:05:41.000 I mean, for sure, Botter can win.

01:05:43.000 For sure, Rico can win.

01:05:44.000 Rico's been much more active.

01:05:45.000 Rico has incredible cardio.

01:05:47.000 If you go to the Botter Hari that beat Alistair Overeem in the rematch, you go to that Botter, the Botter who was in his peak.

01:05:55.000 I mean, Botter was a monster, but it's been a long time, and he's not been very active over the last few years.

01:06:01.000 It's which Botter that turns up, isn't it?

01:06:03.000 What's that?

01:06:03.000 It's which Botter turns up.

01:06:05.000 It's which Botter turns up, but it's also like...

01:06:07.000 All of the legal issues that he's gone through, all the behavioral issues, I mean, he's had a lot of problems.

01:06:16.000 Allegedly broke some guy's leg in a nightclub.

01:06:19.000 They say he held the guy down, stomped his shin and smashed his leg. 1.00

01:06:23.000 That's crazy shit, man. 1.00

01:06:25.000 And who knows? 1.00

01:06:26.000 Who knows? 0.99

01:06:27.000 Who knows what the fuck is going on with that dude? 0.99

01:06:29.000 Yeah, Rico's... 0.97

01:06:30.000 I know he's Rico and I know he's mum and dad and they're real nice people.

01:06:33.000 He's a nice guy and stuff.

01:06:34.000 You know, bad as...

01:06:36.000 Probably the most exciting heavyweight ever.

01:06:38.000 He's a wild man. 1.00

01:06:39.000 He's a fucking wild man. 1.00

01:06:41.000 And he's legit knockout power. 1.00

01:06:43.000 And the other thing is, he throws caution literally to the wind.

01:06:47.000 I mean, he unloads with full power shots, wades forward, throws bombs.

01:06:53.000 He throws out all ideas of being technical and being really cautious and setting traps.

01:07:01.000 He's not setting traps.

01:07:03.000 He's dropping missiles on you.

01:07:05.000 It gets to him, I think.

01:07:06.000 I've heard that he throws up.

01:07:07.000 I think he gets that nervous that he throws up.

01:07:10.000 I think he's badder.

01:07:11.000 He throws up before the fight?

01:07:11.000 Yeah, he gets really sort of super nervous.

01:07:14.000 Makes sense if you see the way he fights. 0.99

01:07:15.000 He fights like it's fucking chaos. 0.99

01:07:17.000 It's like someone's nicked something off him, doesn't he? 0.99

01:07:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:07:19.000 Someone killed somebody he loves.

01:07:20.000 That's what he fights like.

01:07:21.000 He fights like a wild man.

01:07:23.000 But it's so exciting.

01:07:25.000 But Rico's a different kind of fighter.

01:07:26.000 Rico is a very athletic, big heavyweight, Who is amazing cardio.

01:07:31.000 Outstanding technique.

01:07:33.000 Yeah.

01:07:33.000 His boxing's outstanding.

01:07:34.000 His kickboxing's outstanding.

01:07:36.000 He's massive.

01:07:36.000 Have you ever seen him?

01:07:36.000 Huge.

01:07:37.000 Huge guy.

01:07:38.000 He's a natural 250 plus.

01:07:41.000 And he's in incredible shape.

01:07:43.000 Yeah.

01:07:43.000 There's Botter.

01:07:44.000 The thing about Rico is that Rico's been super active while Botter's been dealing with all these problems, and Rico's been getting better, and Rico's been beating guys.

01:08:00.000 He had some problems with some guys in the past, and you see him now, and he's just a much better fighter in every way, shape, or form.

01:08:09.000 Yeah, when he fought Benjamin Adebui, I thought that was brilliant.

01:08:12.000 I mean, he was sparring with Tyson Fury, wasn't he?

01:08:15.000 Yeah.

01:08:15.000 And all decent heavyweights.

01:08:16.000 And beating Daniel Gita, who's...

01:08:18.000 Daniel Gita fight's a good example, because they had fought before, and it was a very close fight.

01:08:22.000 But in the rematch, it was not close at all.

01:08:24.000 Rico kind of ran away with it.

01:08:27.000 Rico's on another level right now.

01:08:28.000 But the thing about Badr is like when he was at his best and you kind of got to assume that it's possible that he could go back to how he was when he was at his best. 0.98

01:08:38.000 When Badr was at his best, he was a fucking hurricane in there. 0.97

01:08:43.000 Yeah, he was. 0.98

01:08:43.000 I remember, I've seen him because he fought a lot and it's Showtime. 0.98

01:08:47.000 And the Moroccans absolutely love him.

01:08:51.000 But a bit like Jariah.

01:08:53.000 Mohamed Jariah is coming through now and Ilyas Belay, they love them.

01:08:56.000 Who was it that he stomped in the head?

01:08:57.000 Remy Bonjowski.

01:08:58.000 And Hesty Gergis. 0.53

01:09:01.000 He booted Hesty Gergis when he was on the floor. 1.00

01:09:03.000 Yeah, he got disqualified for that one, right?

01:09:05.000 Yeah, he got disqualified for both of them.

01:09:07.000 Both of them, Bonjowski too.

01:09:08.000 Bonjowski looked a little bit like he was acting it up a little bit.

01:09:11.000 I'm saying nothing, I have to go to Holland.

01:09:14.000 You're saying nothing, you have to go to Holland?

01:09:17.000 Well, I think he's probably smart on his part.

01:09:19.000 Like, listen, the fight's over if I just lay here.

01:09:22.000 Thanks for the money.

01:09:22.000 Yeah.

01:09:23.000 You know?

01:09:24.000 It just seemed a little like this guy who's been beating up his entire career and, you know, taking amazing shots all of a sudden.

01:09:31.000 One kick when he's down and he just decided, like here it is right here.

01:09:36.000 Yeah.

01:09:38.000 That one kick. 0.97

01:09:39.000 That was it.

01:09:40.000 It can't go on.

01:09:42.000 No way, right?

01:09:43.000 I mean, it wasn't a nice thing that he did.

01:09:46.000 It certainly was grounds for disqualification.

01:09:48.000 But to see him rolling around the ground like he can't function anymore...

01:09:55.000 I'm like, okay.

01:09:57.000 The Hester Gerges one was worse.

01:09:58.000 He did volley him, didn't he, when he was on the floor?

01:10:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:10:00.000 Well, he's fucking crazy. 1.00

01:10:02.000 Why is he like that? 1.00

01:10:03.000 Does anybody know?

01:10:04.000 I don't know.

01:10:04.000 I just think he's great.

01:10:06.000 He's dead nice with me.

01:10:08.000 He's been really, really nice with me.

01:10:10.000 And I'm like, well, he's all right with me.

01:10:12.000 He's just the wrong guy to cross.

01:10:14.000 Yeah, indeed.

01:10:14.000 Yeah, he's just the wrong guy to cross.

01:10:16.000 You don't want to fuck with Badr Hari. 1.00

01:10:17.000 He is. 1.00

01:10:19.000 He's a dangerous, dangerous man.

01:10:21.000 So do you want to do this technique?

01:10:22.000 So what is it you want to do?

01:10:23.000 So, basically, it's a calming technique.

01:10:27.000 Oh, okay.

01:10:28.000 Yeah, we were about to do this earlier.

01:10:29.000 We got so distracted.

01:10:30.000 Carry on, don't we?

01:10:31.000 You're going to tell people in their cars to be careful.

01:10:33.000 Yes.

01:10:34.000 Please don't do this while you're driving your car.

01:10:36.000 And what are we doing here?

01:10:37.000 Explain this to people?

01:10:37.000 And using any machinery or anything dangerous.

01:10:42.000 I'll just show you a basic technique.

01:10:44.000 It's a sub-modality move.

01:10:46.000 Sub-modality?

01:10:48.000 Yeah, like something that's going on in the background.

01:10:51.000 Okay.

01:10:51.000 So it just calms you down.

01:10:53.000 So people can use it for, I don't know, before training or just a stressful day or whatever they want to do.

01:11:00.000 Or after a stressful day, you learn to get some time to sleep or whatever.

01:11:04.000 It's a self-hypnosis technique, really, that I wanted to share with people.

01:11:08.000 Okay, let's do it.

01:11:09.000 Is that all right with you?

01:11:09.000 Yeah, please.

01:11:10.000 Okay, so, do you want to sit back a bit?

01:11:12.000 Okay.

01:11:12.000 Step back?

01:11:13.000 No, just sit back.

01:11:15.000 What I want you to do is find a comfortable chair, or you can, or in your bed or whatever, while you're listening to this.

01:11:21.000 I want you to just allow yourself, just close your eyes a moment.

01:11:24.000 I want you to imagine that you're in a room.

01:11:29.000 This room could be any colour you wish.

01:11:31.000 And in front of you, there's a window.

01:11:34.000 The window is slightly open.

01:11:36.000 I want you to move towards that window.

01:11:39.000 And as you go towards that window, I want you to imagine outside there is traffic.

01:11:44.000 Bumper to bumper, cars, traffic.

01:11:48.000 And we know what traffic causes when you're in a traffic jam, you know them situations.

01:11:52.000 I also want you to imagine that there's a dog running around and barking, a really big dog and making lots of noise.

01:12:00.000 There's also a man and woman arguing in the street and having a blazing row.

01:12:06.000 The window next door of the house that you live in, they're blaring out really loud music.

01:12:12.000 There's also a group of school children coming back from school and making noise.

01:12:18.000 I want you to notice what you notice.

01:12:20.000 Hear what you hear and feel what you feel about this situation with the window open.

01:12:25.000 Now I want you to start moving backwards, further and further away from the window, so the window gets smaller and smaller.

01:12:35.000 And as you move really, really back from the window, I want you to allow that window to get smaller and smaller.

01:12:44.000 And as you go really weary away from the window, so the window's really, really small, I want you to go out of that room and close the door.

01:12:53.000 And just be.

01:12:57.000 And that's it.

01:13:00.000 That's it?

01:13:01.000 Yes.

01:13:02.000 Just get away from the window?

01:13:03.000 Just get away from that window.

01:13:04.000 So she would make a bumper sticker, get away from the window.

01:13:06.000 Yeah.

01:13:07.000 It's just so you just withdraw it away from the window, withdraw it away from chaos and just quiet yourself down.

01:13:13.000 So now using that as a tool, like how would one implement that in their life?

01:13:18.000 Like that sort of a...

01:13:20.000 There's loads of different ways of induction into hypnosis.

01:13:25.000 There's loads of inductions.

01:13:26.000 There's loads of different ways.

01:13:28.000 With that, I just like it personally.

01:13:30.000 I learnt it off a lady called Dolores Ashcroft Nowieski.

01:13:34.000 And to just move away from things that are going on and just give yourself just even a few minutes of just quiet.

01:13:40.000 And when you shut down, you shut the door and you just beat, you can just imagine yourself sitting and then you can start using your breathing techniques or...

01:13:48.000 Just allowing yourself to just sit just for a few minutes and see what comes up for you.

01:13:53.000 See how calm you can get.

01:13:56.000 We were talking about something before the podcast that I wanted to talk to you about in relationship to archery.

01:14:05.000 That there's a thing that happens in archery called target panic.

01:14:09.000 And what target panic is, is people that in the moment, they start freaking out.

01:14:15.000 Yeah.

01:14:30.000 It's set up to whatever yardage you're trying to shoot at and your bow gets sighted in and once your bow is sighted in you can kind of dial your scope to or your sight to like 20 yards, 30 yards, 40 yards and what happens is People put that pin on the target,

01:14:48.000 whether it's at a competition or whether it's bow hunting, whatever it is.

01:14:52.000 You put that pin on the target and the moment that's on the target, you start freaking out because the moment that this all is going down is happening soon and people hammer that trigger.

01:15:04.000 When they hammer that trigger, they jerk the pin off line, they don't stay still, they panic.

01:15:10.000 And this target panic causes bad shots.

01:15:13.000 Yeah.

01:15:13.000 And you introduced me to this idea called Hakalao.

01:15:18.000 Hakalao.

01:15:19.000 Explain to me Hakalao.

01:15:22.000 Hakalao is from a belief system from Hawaii called Huna.

01:15:26.000 It's a hypnotic state.

01:15:29.000 You hear hypnosis all the time.

01:15:31.000 Driving, watching TV, as we said earlier.

01:15:33.000 Right, when you drive and you don't even realise how you got home.

01:15:36.000 You're just on autopilot.

01:15:37.000 That's hypnosis.

01:15:38.000 Hypnagogic state, yes.

01:15:39.000 Hypnagogic state.

01:15:40.000 Is that the word?

01:15:41.000 Yes.

01:15:41.000 And he's driving hypnosis, basically.

01:15:44.000 So Hakalau, spell it?

01:15:45.000 Hakalau. 1.00

01:15:46.000 H-A-K. H. H. These motherfuckers and their brutalization of our God-given language. 1.00

01:15:52.000 Of our president's language. 1.00

01:15:54.000 It's H-A-K-A-L. Oh, wait, you've got me. 1.00

01:15:58.000 The head's gone now.

01:15:59.000 Hakalau.

01:16:00.000 H-A-K-A-L-A-U. H-A-K-A-L-A-U. L-A-U. Yeah. 1.00

01:16:05.000 L-A-U. Yeah.

01:16:06.000 So it's a hypnotic state, and it's quite easy to do.

01:16:11.000 I've done it with a lot of people and it works very very well just to calm yourself down a little bit so as I said before what you do is I'll just sit down and do it so you basically there's lots of different ways of doing it you can find a spot on the wall That's higher than your eyeline.

01:16:27.000 So you're kind of looking up on a diagonal.

01:16:29.000 And imagine that you're looking through your third eye, you know, looking through the middle of your eyebrows.

01:16:35.000 And what you do is you focus on a spot on the wall.

01:16:37.000 And while you're focusing all your energy on that spot, you imagine that you can see all the way to the left.

01:16:43.000 And all the way to the right.

01:16:45.000 Imagine that you can see really high above yourself and below yourself.

01:16:49.000 And then you imagine while you're looking at it, you can use your awareness to touch everything in the room.

01:16:54.000 So you can see behind yourself, really above yourself and below yourself and around yourself.

01:16:59.000 And what that does, it just, it calms you down and gives you a bigger periphery.

01:17:03.000 It's peripheral vision, it's increasing your peripheral vision, which is extremely good for combat athletes, etc.

01:17:09.000 And, you know, just being calm and just putting yourself in a calming situation.

01:17:13.000 Like we talked about Vasily Lomachenko, didn't we, earlier?

01:17:17.000 He's in Hakala all the time.

01:17:19.000 He's amazing, him.

01:17:20.000 Yeah, he's pretty badass.

01:17:21.000 He's amazing.

01:17:22.000 So explain to me why increasing your peripheral benefits you?

01:17:27.000 What does it do?

01:17:28.000 Well, because when people say you have tunnel vision, you don't see that way, don't you?

01:17:31.000 Tunnel vision's like that.

01:17:33.000 You don't see anything else.

01:17:34.000 You see that in street fights.

01:17:37.000 I've talked about this one street fight where I watched in front of the Comedy Store.

01:17:42.000 These two guys were arguing and this one guy had zero idea how to fight.

01:17:48.000 I mean like literally zero.

01:17:50.000 And he's standing in front of this other guy and they start throwing blows and this guy literally, he's wincing, his eyes are almost closed and he's doing this.

01:18:01.000 Was it me?

01:18:01.000 He's standing square in front of this guy and he's literally like throwing his hands.

01:18:06.000 A bus moves in front of us.

01:18:08.000 I can't see what happens.

01:18:09.000 The bus pulls forth and the guy's flattened.

01:18:11.000 Just laying flat out and the other guy's running away.

01:18:14.000 So this guy cracked him. 0.98

01:18:16.000 The other guy didn't know what the fuck he was doing either. 0.99

01:18:18.000 He was lucky that the first guy was a panicker. 0.99

01:18:20.000 I thought he got run over by the bus then.

01:18:21.000 No, no, [...

01:18:23.000 He just got knocked out on the street.

01:18:24.000 They were in the street when this happened, though.

01:18:26.000 But my point is that you could tell that this guy was frozen in this moment.

01:18:31.000 He wasn't, like, aware.

01:18:33.000 This guy's throwing his hands at him and moving his head out of the way and being completely aware.

01:18:38.000 Most of the time, in really incredibly stressful situations, your point of vision closes and you tense up.

01:18:47.000 So by expanding your peripheral vision, you think you can relax.

01:18:52.000 Yeah, you can.

01:18:53.000 And you can become extra aware.

01:18:57.000 What is going on when you're expanding your peripheral vision?

01:19:00.000 You're opening your unconscious.

01:19:02.000 So you're opening your unconscious by just seeing more than you can actually see.

01:19:07.000 So say if you were in an archery competition, you're shooting at this target that's like 70 meters away, and you really have to concentrate, and you're looking at that spot, and you're like...

01:19:18.000 And there's all these nerves and everything like that.

01:19:19.000 And you're drawing your bow back and you're concentrating on that spot.

01:19:22.000 How would one implement that then?

01:19:24.000 Well, you do Hakala.

01:19:26.000 You do that first.

01:19:28.000 Explain that.

01:19:29.000 So you find a spot that's higher than the target, for instance.

01:19:33.000 Okay.

01:19:33.000 So say the target's here.

01:19:34.000 Okay.

01:19:34.000 You'd find the target that's just above, say, Elvis's head there.

01:19:37.000 Okay.

01:19:38.000 So you look a few feet above the target.

01:19:39.000 Yeah.

01:19:40.000 Find a spot.

01:19:41.000 Concentrate on it.

01:19:42.000 Just allow yourself to spread your awareness.

01:19:44.000 There's also another way of doing it, where you can have your palms out like this, right?

01:19:49.000 And then when you bring your palms in, and when you can see your own palms, you drop your hands.

01:19:55.000 So you also put your hand over your head, and then when you can see your fingers over your head, you drop that too.

01:20:01.000 Okay, so you spread your arms out, you can't see your arms, and then you start bringing them in, and the moment you see your hands, you drop your hands.

01:20:10.000 But you keep your eyes forwards.

01:20:12.000 So you keep your eyes focused on whatever that spot is, over your head, and the moment you drive it forward, then you let your hands down.

01:20:19.000 What is going on when I'm doing that?

01:20:21.000 The focus point, it just brings your awareness bigger.

01:20:24.000 It just makes your sight bigger.

01:20:26.000 So when you're in the periphery, you have a calmness about you.

01:20:29.000 And what is the philosophy when they talk about Hakalao?

01:20:32.000 What did you say the name of the...

01:20:34.000 Huna.

01:20:35.000 What is the thought process about Hakalao?

01:20:38.000 Is that part of their practice?

01:20:40.000 Yeah, it's part of their practice, yeah.

01:20:41.000 They do this thing with their arms?

01:20:43.000 Yes.

01:20:43.000 Well, no, there's loads of different ways of doing it.

01:20:45.000 I'm not aware if they do it with their hands.

01:20:47.000 I just know techniques we've been taught or whatever.

01:20:50.000 But I know that, you know, staring at the spot on the wall and allowing your periphery just to spread, yeah, it works.

01:20:56.000 And why is it work?

01:20:58.000 What's going on?

01:20:59.000 It calms you down.

01:21:00.000 It calms your mind down.

01:21:01.000 If you're focusing on something, if you're focusing on I don't know whatever you're shooting, right? 0.54

01:21:06.000 If you're looking at that and you've got this background shit going on, blah, blah, blah, more than likely that's your focus. 0.80

01:21:13.000 That's not your focus, that is. 0.96

01:21:14.000 When you're pointing to your head for people to listen and you're saying blah, blah, blah, you mean like the internal doubt.

01:21:19.000 Yeah, the inner dialogue, the chatter. 0.99

01:21:20.000 Don't fuck this up, don't miss. 0.98

01:21:22.000 You're going to miss, you're going to miss. 0.99

01:21:23.000 Breathe properly, breathe properly.

01:21:25.000 When you get control of yourself by just focusing your awareness, which is your area to relax, then you just get yourself into a calm position.

01:21:39.000 So say if someone was in a hunting situation and there was a deer.

01:21:42.000 A deer is moving to 30 yards away and it's moving right into what you would call a shooting lane in between two trees.

01:21:50.000 How would you try to...

01:21:53.000 Initiate Hakalao there.

01:21:54.000 Because you do Hakalao before you start.

01:21:57.000 Or you practice it all the time.

01:21:59.000 All the time.

01:22:00.000 Yes.

01:22:00.000 When you practice it all the time, it becomes a part of you.

01:22:02.000 It's like anything.

01:22:03.000 Mind coaching or using the techniques I teach people is you've got to practice it.

01:22:10.000 Like everything.

01:22:11.000 You can't just, I'll just go Hakalao and that's it.

01:22:13.000 And you have to practice it and practice it and practice it and it becomes...

01:22:16.000 It becomes more and more easy.

01:22:18.000 But this seems like such a simple solution to a very complex issue.

01:22:22.000 There's a lot of what is going on with archery is what's called...

01:22:27.000 There's a lot of different theories.

01:22:28.000 One of the theories is recoil bracing.

01:22:31.000 Like you know that something's going to happen, so you're preparing for this thing to happen, and then in preparing for that thing to happen, that is becoming more of your focus than actually making it work correctly.

01:22:41.000 Yeah, but it does calm you down.

01:22:44.000 So even in the aspects of shooting, I'm surely that, I don't know, I don't do it.

01:22:49.000 But I mean, surely it's calming down that you're aiming for, for aiming at something.

01:22:54.000 Right.

01:22:54.000 But it's also being focused, completely focused on the result and not negative aspects of it.

01:23:00.000 It does focus your awareness.

01:23:01.000 Yeah.

01:23:01.000 Yeah, the more you do it, the more, people do it inspiring as well, they get less hit.

01:23:06.000 Mm-hmm.

01:23:07.000 They get less hit in sparring.

01:23:09.000 I know there's a weightlifter called Emma James that's like a 20-odd time world heavy lifting lady person, and she uses Hakala, and it works. 0.99

01:23:20.000 What does she do? 1.00

01:23:21.000 It's basically the same thing.

01:23:23.000 It's focus.

01:23:24.000 Are there other methods other than straightening your arms out and looking forward?

01:23:29.000 The best one, my personal opinion.

01:23:31.000 People may argue it, but my personal opinion is you find a spot on the wall and allow your awareness just to spread.

01:23:39.000 So imagine you can see all the way to the left and all the way to the right.

01:23:42.000 So if you're out in the woods, you pick a spot on a tree?

01:23:44.000 Yeah.

01:23:45.000 And you keep practicing and keep doing it.

01:23:47.000 And eventually you'll embed it.

01:23:50.000 So why is expanding your peripheral vision calming?

01:23:55.000 I don't know.

01:23:57.000 It just seems to calm the whole body down.

01:24:01.000 Again, you're focusing on spreading your awareness.

01:24:04.000 You're not focusing on panic or you're focusing on anything else.

01:24:07.000 So surely if you're just focusing on seeing and just moving out and allowing yourself just to spread, I'm doing it now.

01:24:15.000 You can just feel it.

01:24:18.000 When I do seminars, which I do a lot of, You're doing seminars, you're talking to people and this, this and this.

01:24:23.000 You can spot people that are wondering mentally.

01:24:26.000 Right.

01:24:26.000 So you can see them and then you just turn and say, you understand?

01:24:28.000 And then just go, yeah, because you have to guide the audience.

01:24:32.000 You know, suddenly when you're doing comedy, I think you do it anyway.

01:24:36.000 I think if you do it, you'll do it in comedy.

01:24:38.000 I think when you're on the stage, you'll do it in comedy anyway.

01:24:41.000 Because you can become aware of everybody.

01:24:44.000 Sort of.

01:24:45.000 You definitely go into a state, though.

01:24:47.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:24:48.000 And that's what Hakalao is.

01:24:49.000 It induces a state.

01:24:50.000 When you're doing comedy, you're in the moment, but you're also a passenger.

01:24:56.000 You know, to do comedy, you almost have to get out of your own way.

01:25:00.000 But you also have to have prepared the material enough to where you know where you're going with it so you can relax.

01:25:06.000 Well, think about archery then.

01:25:08.000 You know, you have to get out of your own way because the only person that's panicking is you.

01:25:12.000 The animal or whatever you're shooting.

01:25:14.000 They don't even know you're there.

01:25:15.000 Exactly.

01:25:15.000 So it's exactly the same.

01:25:16.000 You're moving yourself out of the way to get yourself into the zone where you're going to do it.

01:25:20.000 Trust me, just try it.

01:25:22.000 I definitely will.

01:25:24.000 That's an interesting solution to a really common issue with archers.

01:25:31.000 Like tournament archers, they panic so much that they've come up with a method of allowing this bow to go off without them doing it on purpose.

01:25:42.000 It's a surprise release.

01:25:43.000 That's a hypnotic state.

01:25:46.000 Yeah.

01:25:46.000 They have this thing called a hinge release.

01:25:48.000 And what a hinge release is, you clip it onto your bow, and as you pull it back, instead of hitting a trigger, you're slowly moving your hand, and you never know when it's going to go off.

01:25:58.000 You're just slowly curling your finger, and there's a little hinge inside of it.

01:26:01.000 And once it gets past a certain point, it just goes off.

01:26:04.000 Right.

01:26:04.000 So instead of hammering the trigger, it goes off completely by surprise.

01:26:08.000 So they figured out a solution to whatever this thing is that fucks with people's heads. 0.56

01:26:15.000 Yeah.

01:26:19.000 You can do it in a real-life situation if you expand your peripheral vision.

01:26:24.000 Yeah, it's a feeling, isn't it?

01:26:25.000 Mm-hmm.

01:26:26.000 You know, it's...

01:26:27.000 You know, like we talk...

01:26:28.000 I remember the last time I was on here, we talked about Golovkin.

01:26:30.000 Mm-hmm.

01:26:31.000 He talks about feeling.

01:26:32.000 He listens to how he says about punches.

01:26:34.000 Yes.

01:26:34.000 He talks about, I feel this, I feel that.

01:26:36.000 He says feel all the time.

01:26:38.000 Yeah.

01:26:38.000 And he feels, he feels, I feel this, I know him, I feel...

01:26:42.000 It's an awareness.

01:26:43.000 Yeah.

01:26:43.000 It's an expansion of awareness.

01:26:45.000 You know in English, you know that when you flip the bird?

01:26:47.000 Mm-hmm.

01:26:48.000 In English, it's that.

01:26:49.000 It's two fingers.

01:26:50.000 Yeah, you know what it's from?

01:26:51.000 No.

01:26:51.000 It's from when we had wars with the French, what the French, you know, they capture the archers, they cut the fingers off.

01:26:57.000 Oh, right. 1.00

01:26:58.000 So that's just to say, ha ha ha, fuck off. 1.00

01:26:59.000 I feel like we'd talked about this before, yeah. 1.00

01:27:01.000 Yeah, but that's to do with the... 1.00

01:27:02.000 To say, fuck off, I've got my two fingers. 1.00

01:27:04.000 Yeah, I've got my two fingers and that's from archery. 1.00

01:27:05.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:27:07.000 But it's our state.

01:27:08.000 Do you know the Mongols didn't use it that way? 0.93

01:27:11.000 They use their thumb.

01:27:12.000 Right.

01:27:12.000 They hook it with their thumb and then they grab their finger like this and they pull it back that way.

01:27:16.000 Right.

01:27:17.000 They had their own little weird method.

01:27:18.000 Why do you have them like that?

01:27:18.000 Because you have a release in your hand.

01:27:20.000 Right.

01:27:21.000 You do it this way because you can get a consistent anchor point.

01:27:24.000 It sits right on your chin.

01:27:25.000 Is it true also if you drop the bow, if you drop the bow, the arrow drops?

01:27:29.000 Yes, most certainly.

01:27:31.000 You have to stay completely still as the arrow releases.

01:27:35.000 With me coming from Robin Hood country, it's a natural thing for me.

01:27:39.000 There's a bunch of different kinds of bows.

01:27:43.000 There's a bunch of different ways of shooting.

01:27:44.000 Like when you're shooting with a recurve bow or a traditional bow, you're pulling it back and just letting it go really quickly.

01:27:51.000 Bang! 1.00

01:27:51.000 With a compound bow, you're settling in and relaxing and trying to stay calm and keep the pin Relatively close to the area but concentrating on the spot and then you release. 1.00

01:28:01.000 And as you release, it's got to be in one smooth motion where your hand pulls back as you do it so there's no yanking this way or pulling that way.

01:28:10.000 There's nothing that's going to affect the travel of the arrow. 0.98

01:28:14.000 There's a lot of mind shit going on. 0.95

01:28:16.000 There's a level of self-trust, isn't there, with it? 0.99

01:28:19.000 Oh, yeah.

01:28:19.000 There's a big level of self-trust.

01:28:21.000 And that's in anything in sport or anything else.

01:28:24.000 It's learning to trust yourself and trusting your mind.

01:28:28.000 And I just think that with mind coaching stuff, with techniques that you get to learn and get to...

01:28:35.000 To having your locker.

01:28:37.000 I think it's massively beneficial as you're aware.

01:28:40.000 I can always record you something and send you it before you go to this thing that you're doing and let's see what happens.

01:28:48.000 It'll be interesting for me to see what happens because I've never worked with anyone that's done archery.

01:28:52.000 Yeah.

01:28:53.000 It is a lot of preparation for one moment that might happen once a year.

01:28:58.000 Yeah.

01:28:58.000 And that's one of the big things about it is when someone prepares for a bow hunt in particular, at least a tournament, you have multiple shots.

01:29:06.000 You can shoot many, many times.

01:29:07.000 You get more relaxed.

01:29:08.000 But when someone prepares for a hunt, you are preparing year-round.

01:29:12.000 You're shooting arrows constantly.

01:29:15.000 I can't believe how hard it is.

01:29:17.000 Yeah.

01:29:17.000 I mean, when I first started doing it, I was like, what's the big deal?

01:29:19.000 You stand there.

01:29:20.000 You keep your arms straight.

01:29:21.000 You pull the bow back.

01:29:22.000 Mm-hmm.

01:29:22.000 No.

01:29:23.000 There's a lot going on and there's so much to consider.

01:29:26.000 The position, the placement of your feet, the position of your front shoulder, how you're gripping the bow, pulling back to the same consistent anchor point, looking through the peep sight correctly, make sure you center the peep sight with the sight housing on the bow, releasing with no movement whatsoever, making sure that everything is done perfectly,

01:29:43.000 keeping the mind concentrating specifically on a spot.

01:29:46.000 You have to look where you want to hit.

01:29:48.000 You can't look in the vague area and you can't hope you're going to hit something.

01:29:52.000 Yeah.

01:29:52.000 You have to be absolutely convinced that you're going to hit something.

01:29:55.000 Yeah, and you will.

01:29:57.000 And you will.

01:29:58.000 Look at you, positive thinking, man.

01:29:59.000 Well, you will.

01:30:00.000 You will, because that's your intention.

01:30:02.000 So if your intention...

01:30:02.000 Set your intention.

01:30:04.000 Set your sight, which is exactly the same, is it not?

01:30:06.000 Set your sight on writing, this is what I'm going to do.

01:30:09.000 Set your sight on your intention, where you go and say, this is what I'm going to do.

01:30:13.000 Set your intention. 0.99

01:30:13.000 Yeah, and that is a big part of why people fuck up. 0.99

01:30:17.000 They go, I hope this works. 0.99

01:30:19.000 Yeah, or I'll try.

01:30:19.000 Gotta hope this works.

01:30:20.000 The older even said that, didn't it?

01:30:22.000 Empire Strikes Back, do or do not.

01:30:23.000 There is no try.

01:30:24.000 You know, you set your intention.

01:30:25.000 I know it's cliche, but you know, you set your intention.

01:30:28.000 Well, a lot of times cliches are there for a reason.

01:30:32.000 They're real.

01:30:33.000 They represent reality.

01:30:34.000 Yeah.

01:30:35.000 Yeah, and I think in this one it does.

01:30:37.000 It's just an extreme thing, and it's also a thing, this archery thing, and bow hunting in particular, where a lot of people who are engaging in it, they might not have a lot of experience in performing under extreme pressure.

01:30:50.000 Yeah.

01:30:51.000 So you don't have a lot of opportunities where you're performing under extreme pressure and then you have an incredibly intense moment where it's literally life or death to this animal.

01:31:04.000 We'll talk.

01:31:05.000 We'll talk.

01:31:06.000 Because I want you to change your language around it.

01:31:08.000 To give you more of a...

01:31:11.000 It is complicated.

01:31:12.000 I get that.

01:31:13.000 But we've got to make it as less complicated as we can.

01:31:16.000 So there's a smoother thing.

01:31:19.000 Well, it's complicated, but it's not complicated like the English language.

01:31:21.000 The English language is unbelievably complex.

01:31:23.000 Thousands of letters and thousands of words.

01:31:26.000 And you're using them all in different ways.

01:31:29.000 And inflection.

01:31:30.000 We all do that effortlessly.

01:31:32.000 So I think you can, you know, with doing the techniques and helping you out, I certainly will because, you know, you're a very nice man.

01:31:39.000 Thank you.

01:31:39.000 I'll give you credit for sure.

01:31:41.000 I really wanted to talk to you about this because I've seen all these different methods that people use to try to overcome target panic.

01:31:51.000 And one of them is...

01:31:53.000 This positive affirmation or positive way of looking at it. 0.99

01:31:57.000 Like, my friend Shane Dorian was here and he was talking about his friend and that his friend, right before he goes to shoot the arrow, and he said his friend's a really nice guy, his friend says, I'm gonna fucking kill you. 0.99

01:32:11.000 That's what he says in his head. 1.00

01:32:12.000 I'm going to fucking kill you. 1.00

01:32:14.000 Like he says that in his head. 1.00

01:32:16.000 So he's absolutely convinced this is what he's going to do.

01:32:18.000 It's not, I hope this arrow lands perfectly.

01:32:21.000 I hope I make a great shot.

01:32:23.000 He affirms it in his head where there's no wishy-washiness about it.

01:32:27.000 Well, it's set an intention.

01:32:28.000 Yeah.

01:32:28.000 It's set an intention and I'm is personal to you.

01:32:32.000 Remember we were talking before and you said you, you, you.

01:32:34.000 And he said when you change the language around anything, it becomes more useful to you, you know?

01:32:41.000 But again, that is an affirmation, but it's also set in your intention.

01:32:46.000 And in every way, if you think about it, shooting that bow is setting your intention in every single way, isn't it?

01:32:51.000 Because your intention is the beast, if you will, and you're setting your intention, so you've got to calm this.

01:32:58.000 Yeah, we'll get it.

01:33:02.000 We'll get it.

01:33:03.000 We'll get it.

01:33:04.000 Well, I would really like to see if this is effective or if it helps other archers, because that's one of the things of me getting involved in bow hunting.

01:33:14.000 I've been exposed to this common problem that people talk about, and I'm absolutely fascinated by common problems.

01:33:21.000 Problems that seem to represent a pattern of thinking that's really almost natural, but obviously should be avoided.

01:33:31.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:33:32.000 And it's just about you focusing your attention on what you want.

01:33:37.000 That's how you get things in life.

01:33:39.000 You focus on what you want, not what you don't want.

01:33:42.000 And you will get things that will trip you up.

01:33:45.000 I don't live on a cloud.

01:33:46.000 I never say that.

01:33:48.000 What you do is you focus on what you want and you keep focusing on what you want and deal with things that get in your way but keep focusing on what you want.

01:33:54.000 That's the idea.

01:33:56.000 Don't focus on the problems.

01:33:57.000 Focus on what you want.

01:33:59.000 Don't focus on how difficult it is and this problem and how difficult this is and how hard this is.

01:34:03.000 Because all you're doing in your unconscious then, the only information you're giving is how hard it is.

01:34:08.000 Right.

01:34:08.000 So then what does it become?

01:34:10.000 It becomes something huge.

01:34:12.000 And this comes back to what we were talking about at the very beginning of this podcast.

01:34:15.000 The language that you use in your own mind can be very self-defining and can sort of really not just define you but define your future and how you interact with life.

01:34:29.000 And how you interact with people, how you come across and how you perceive yourself and how you project everything into what happens, you know?

01:34:37.000 And I think that's the idea.

01:34:40.000 This is just changing the language the way you speak to yourself.

01:34:44.000 If you can change the language the way you speak to yourself, your life will change exponentially.

01:34:48.000 That's my...

01:34:49.000 Change the language, folks.

01:34:51.000 Change the language.

01:34:52.000 And obviously this is also...

01:34:55.000 It's not an instantaneous process, right?

01:34:57.000 It's practice.

01:34:59.000 You know, the first time you did spinning back kick, you didn't land on the target and was brilliant.

01:35:03.000 Like, I've seen you welly in that bag.

01:35:05.000 Welly-ing is another British term.

01:35:07.000 Welly-ing? 1.00

01:35:09.000 Welly-ing. 0.98

01:35:11.000 Welly is a well-ing.

01:35:13.000 I don't know.

01:35:13.000 It's just a slang term for kicking very hard.

01:35:17.000 Welly.

01:35:18.000 Right.

01:35:18.000 It's when you welly something, you're kicking it.

01:35:20.000 Because, you know, Wellington boots?

01:35:21.000 Mm-hmm.

01:35:22.000 Oh, okay.

01:35:23.000 So, yeah.

01:35:23.000 But when I've seen you, you know, the first, you know, I've seen you that spinning back kick, you're showing John St. Pierre, George St. Pierre.

01:35:29.000 George St. Pierre, yeah.

01:35:29.000 Yeah, that was right.

01:35:30.000 You know, so the first time you did that, you didn't do it correctly.

01:35:32.000 Right.

01:35:33.000 You know, but it's all about practice.

01:35:35.000 Mm-hmm.

01:35:35.000 Mind coaching isn't an instantaneous thing.

01:35:37.000 For phobias, yes.

01:35:38.000 You know, it works for phobias.

01:35:40.000 But I mean, for certain things in life, you've got to keep doing it.

01:35:45.000 It's just life's thing.

01:35:47.000 It's practice.

01:35:48.000 Yeah.

01:35:48.000 You know?

01:35:49.000 Yeah, and that's the case with everything, including thinking.

01:35:53.000 Yeah.

01:35:54.000 Thinking is a skill.

01:35:55.000 Yes.

01:35:56.000 And thinking is something that you have to develop and develop proper technique and adhere to these proper techniques always.

01:36:05.000 Yes.

01:36:05.000 That's why I don't do one-offs.

01:36:06.000 I used to do one-offs.

01:36:08.000 What do you mean by one-offs?

01:36:09.000 I used to do one-off sessions for people like one-to-ones and do a session, one session.

01:36:14.000 I don't do one anymore.

01:36:15.000 I do more, I do a thing called Four Weeks to Freedom, or I have people that sign up for a year with me as well, because it's an ongoing process.

01:36:23.000 I still have a...

01:36:24.000 My teacher, Colin Mackay, I still, you know, ruminate things and he puts my thinking on the right path or whatever.

01:36:32.000 It's no one's...

01:36:32.000 We're not a finished product, certainly not a finished product, you know, but it's just about practice.

01:36:38.000 That's really what's important.

01:36:39.000 People will try to point out inconsistencies in someone's behavior as a sign that maybe that person shouldn't be the one that's being a mental coach like yourself or someone who has maybe not succeeded in everything they've ever tried.

01:36:53.000 How could this person possibly be a mental coach when they're not even capable of running their own life?

01:36:58.000 But no, every human being is essentially the same in that regard, is that no matter where you are, you can probably do better.

01:37:05.000 And no matter who you are, you have learned along the way a lot of it by failure.

01:37:11.000 Yeah.

01:37:12.000 I'm going back to Lomachenko as well because I'm a massive fanboy.

01:37:16.000 Because he does things that I think he'll change the face of boxing.

01:37:19.000 I really do.

01:37:19.000 Why do you think that?

01:37:20.000 Have you seen what he does?

01:37:21.000 He does like the Schultz test.

01:37:23.000 Have you seen that where he does the different numbers?

01:37:25.000 Where he's like...

01:37:26.000 There's a Schultz test where you have 1 to 25 and they're all in a square and then all the numbers are in squares as well and he has to touch them.

01:37:35.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.

01:37:36.000 He does loads of different mind stuff.

01:37:38.000 Is this a reaction drill?

01:37:39.000 Yeah, but he's building his awareness.

01:37:42.000 He's building his intelligence.

01:37:43.000 That's why he's calling himself high-tech.

01:37:45.000 He's building his intelligence.

01:37:46.000 He's building his awareness.

01:37:48.000 He said in his next fight he's not gonna get hit.

01:37:51.000 He's aiming not to get hit.

01:37:52.000 But what happens once he gets hit?

01:37:54.000 He's got a mind coach.

01:37:58.000 He's got a mind coach. 0.98

01:37:59.000 And when he lost to Salido, the weight was wrong and he got punched in the balls and all that sort of stuff. 0.89

01:38:04.000 And Salido just out-proed him really again.

01:38:07.000 Yeah.

01:38:07.000 He's too heavy, this, this and this.

01:38:09.000 But he didn't dwell on that.

01:38:11.000 He went back straight away, beat Gary Russell, who's a great fighter too.

01:38:14.000 And because he didn't dwell on it, and because he had a mind coach saying, look, control your emotions.

01:38:18.000 Me and Brian Dalbury have come to, we're talking about it, I read about it, that he was saying that his mind coach got him to not focus, to control his emotions.

01:38:26.000 And that's what it's about, it's controlling your emotions, controlling you, because you are your emotions after all.

01:38:32.000 And just, you know, getting through what other people wouldn't.

01:38:36.000 And isn't he fighting Salido in a rematch?

01:38:38.000 I think it's muted, but I've heard also that he's going to move up to lightweight and fight Manchester's Terry Flanagan for the WBO title.

01:38:50.000 Interesting.

01:38:51.000 But he's amazing.

01:38:52.000 I've never seen anyone do what he does.

01:38:54.000 I mean, Penel Whittaker was very good.

01:38:55.000 Roy Jones was very good.

01:38:56.000 But he just seems to glide around people and he just seems to know what you're going to do before you do it.

01:39:02.000 He's exceptional.

01:39:03.000 What's exceptional about him is that he's not outside.

01:39:07.000 He's inside and he's not getting hit.

01:39:09.000 That's one of the most impressive things about him is that he stays in the pocket.

01:39:14.000 And Yeti somehow is so slick and so well-schooled.

01:39:18.000 Andre was like that as well.

01:39:19.000 Schooled by his father as well, right?

01:39:21.000 Yeah.

01:39:21.000 A lot of people were disappointed in Andre Ward's performance on Saturday night.

01:39:25.000 I think the opponent had a lot to do with it.

01:39:29.000 I think against Kovalev it would be very, very interesting.

01:39:33.000 Yeah, well, here's Lomachenko standing right in front of this dude.

01:39:37.000 Just beautiful counters, man.

01:39:39.000 It's just so crazy.

01:39:41.000 Like, he's just not there when the guy goes to hit him.

01:39:44.000 He's insane how good he is.

01:39:47.000 He's so aware, though.

01:39:48.000 It's his awareness.

01:39:49.000 His awareness is so perfect.

01:39:51.000 His distance and his timing.

01:39:53.000 And would he fight for a world title fight in his second pro fight?

01:39:56.000 Yes.

01:39:56.000 Yeah.

01:39:58.000 And he's won two world titles of different weights in seven fights.

01:40:01.000 He's just so good.

01:40:03.000 His movement is so incredible. 1.00

01:40:05.000 You know, you see a guy like Lomachenko and you see Gennady Golovkin and Kovalev, and you go, God damn, these Russians are bad motherfuckers. 1.00

01:40:13.000 But they've had mind coaches. 1.00

01:40:14.000 All of them.

01:40:15.000 All of them?

01:40:15.000 Yeah.

01:40:16.000 Even the Russians were the first people to start using mental coaches and stuff. 0.65

01:40:21.000 This footwork is insane.

01:40:23.000 And again, what's insane about it is he's right in front of the guy, and yet he's so elusive with his footwork.

01:40:31.000 Look at that.

01:40:32.000 Step to the right, an uppercut. 0.70

01:40:34.000 Step to the left, uppercut. 0.99

01:40:35.000 Just, god damn, he's good. 0.99

01:40:37.000 And he pulls the hands as well. 0.99

01:40:38.000 He pulls the hands down and throws a hook.

01:40:40.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:40:41.000 He's really good at that. 0.98

01:40:43.000 He's a freak. 0.98

01:40:44.000 He's a real freak. 0.87

01:40:45.000 And so these Russians, that's the way they school their amateurs? 1.00

01:40:51.000 They give them a lot of mind coaching?

01:40:53.000 Yeah, they do.

01:40:53.000 And Lomachenko also was doing gymnastics and ballet.

01:40:59.000 Fucking ballet. 0.99

01:41:00.000 Ballet's coming up again, isn't it? 1.00

01:41:02.000 The old turmeric.

01:41:03.000 I'll get Vasile some turmeric.

01:41:05.000 And so, well, I would think that that would help because just the ability to control your body, gymnastics in particular, is fantastic for that.

01:41:13.000 The ability, like, Hicks and Gracie famously was into yoga and he was into this very specific type of yoga that's very gymnastics oriented.

01:41:23.000 It's gymnastic on natural.

01:41:25.000 Yeah.

01:41:25.000 And there's a lot of like flexibility and movement.

01:41:28.000 It's more of like a flowing type of yoga thing.

01:41:32.000 Vinyasas they're called, aren't they?

01:41:33.000 The movements of vinyasas.

01:41:34.000 And those flowing type movements are one of the reasons why he was so good at jiu-jitsu is because his ability to control his body was like truly exceptional.

01:41:44.000 He had a very unusual ability to control his body.

01:41:47.000 Again, it's awareness.

01:41:49.000 It comes back to awareness, doesn't it?

01:41:51.000 It's also strength in weird motions.

01:41:53.000 Yoga is a big part of that, too.

01:41:55.000 He was also a yogi, and not just gymnastic and natural, but like regular yoga.

01:42:00.000 He had incredible flexibility, standing on a balance beam, standing in a full split, holding his foot above his head.

01:42:06.000 You know, and he's 200 pounds, and he's fighting professionally in Vale Tudo events.

01:42:11.000 Yeah.

01:42:11.000 You see, it's all mind and body connection, isn't it?

01:42:14.000 It's getting you in conjunction with that.

01:42:17.000 And strength and conditioners are great as well.

01:42:19.000 There's loads of stuff now that can make athletes incredibly, incredibly successful.

01:42:25.000 I love Lomachenko mad, Golovkin mad.

01:42:29.000 He's fighting Kell Brook soon in England, September the 10th.

01:42:31.000 Yeah.

01:42:32.000 In London.

01:42:33.000 Apparently, they've done their 30-day weighing thing, and Kell Brook's heavier.

01:42:40.000 Heavier right now.

01:42:41.000 Than Triple G, yeah.

01:42:42.000 It'd be good.

01:42:43.000 Good luck with all that.

01:42:44.000 I know, yeah. 0.99

01:42:45.000 Who gives a shit if he's heavier? 0.99

01:42:47.000 Yeah, I know. 0.99

01:42:48.000 He'll get lit up, son.

01:42:49.000 I know, but I really...

01:42:51.000 Well, because he's English.

01:42:52.000 Triple G. No, he's from the north as well.

01:42:53.000 You like the English guy?

01:42:54.000 Yeah, I like him.

01:42:56.000 Whether he wins or not, I... Well, he's got a chance.

01:42:59.000 He's a professional boxer and he's excellent.

01:43:01.000 Gennady Golovkin's something special. 0.99

01:43:03.000 His body attack is fucking ruthless too, man. 0.99

01:43:07.000 That left hook to the liver he throws. 0.99

01:43:09.000 Good lord. 0.76

01:43:10.000 And the way he cuts the ring down.

01:43:12.000 I just like him as a person.

01:43:14.000 He's not the most sparkling personality ever.

01:43:17.000 But I just like him the way he says, he's old school.

01:43:21.000 I respect him and blah, blah, blah.

01:43:23.000 What's interesting about him to me is that he's so boyish and cute looking. 1.00

01:43:27.000 But he's a fucking killer. 1.00

01:43:29.000 I mean, you look at the guy, and he's like, I bring big drama fight. 1.00

01:43:34.000 Yeah, big drama show.

01:43:35.000 Big drama show.

01:43:37.000 It's so strange.

01:43:38.000 He's very, very special.

01:43:41.000 Yeah, he is.

01:43:42.000 He is.

01:43:42.000 Well, so is Kovalev.

01:43:44.000 And that's why the Andre Ward fight becomes so intriguing.

01:43:47.000 Because if he fights the way, if Andre Ward fights the way he fought on Saturday night, he's going to have a real hard time with Kovalev.

01:43:52.000 Well, you see Kovalev's last fight against Chilemba.

01:43:55.000 He didn't look all that.

01:43:56.000 But Chalamba again. 0.99

01:43:58.000 But he was fighting in Russia.

01:43:59.000 There was a lot of pressure on him as well.

01:44:01.000 You know, I mean, Chalamba's hard to fight. 1.00

01:44:04.000 I mean, Tony Bellew fought him twice.

01:44:06.000 From England's now the WBC Cruiserweight Champion from Liverpool.

01:44:09.000 But Chilembo was the only guy to go the distance except Hopkins, right?

01:44:12.000 In recent fights.

01:44:13.000 In recent fights, yeah.

01:44:14.000 Yeah.

01:44:15.000 I mean, do you think he drops him in round seven?

01:44:18.000 I think Ward will fight it on the inside.

01:44:21.000 I don't think he'll fight it on the outside.

01:44:23.000 I don't think so either.

01:44:24.000 I think he'll fight similar to the way he fought Froch.

01:44:26.000 I think that would be the plan, but great fighter, man.

01:44:29.000 Very interesting.

01:44:31.000 Very, very interesting fight.

01:44:32.000 What I like about Ward is his intelligence.

01:44:34.000 He's so smart and you hear it when he does commentary.

01:44:37.000 He's so aware and he fights so smart.

01:44:39.000 He's just a very clever guy in everything he does.

01:44:43.000 He makes it awkward.

01:44:45.000 He fights different almost every fight.

01:44:47.000 Sometimes he fights on the outside.

01:44:49.000 Sometimes he sticks to you like glue.

01:44:51.000 He's a very interesting fighter.

01:44:53.000 I've seen Jim Lampley asking him questions, and I think his dad was an addict of some sort, died really early, I think he died at 46, and his mum was a former drug addict, and Jim Lampley asked him about it, and you could see him well up, and he started crying and stuff, 0.97

01:45:10.000 and he's come through shit. 0.89

01:45:11.000 So he's stuck where he wants, listen, nothing but respect for him, man. 0.99

01:45:16.000 He's amazing, and he seems, and I've not met him, I'd like to, a very, very nice man.

01:45:21.000 Yeah, he seems like a very nice guy.

01:45:23.000 A very decent, decent human being.

01:45:24.000 When he fought Barrera, the last time when he fought, well, his second name, no, his first name was Barrera.

01:45:28.000 Second name was Barrera.

01:45:29.000 At one point where he caught, he caught the jab.

01:45:32.000 He threw a jab, caught the jab, threw a right hand, left hook, slipped under.

01:45:35.000 Wow.

01:45:35.000 I mean, he was just like, he was dancing.

01:45:38.000 He's like, he rehearsed it.

01:45:39.000 He's a fabulous fighter.

01:45:40.000 Hakalau.

01:45:41.000 Hakalau indeed.

01:45:44.000 Hakalau indeed.

01:45:45.000 Are there any other methods of trying to expand your peripheral?

01:45:51.000 It's basically practice.

01:45:53.000 Just practice.

01:45:54.000 So it's just something that you have to be aware of.

01:45:56.000 The closing of the peripheral is also a tightening of you and not good.

01:46:03.000 I would say so.

01:46:04.000 But you can still focus.

01:46:06.000 Even with expanded peripheral, you can still focus on the task at hand.

01:46:11.000 Yes, you do focus on the task at hand.

01:46:14.000 It is still focusing on the task at hand.

01:46:17.000 Driving is the same, isn't it?

01:46:18.000 I mean, if you're just driving, just look forward.

01:46:21.000 You know, you wouldn't see anything coming from a junction or, you know, you still look in the rear view mirror, don't you?

01:46:27.000 Even though you're not really going to get, you're not going to get, it's more often than not, you're not going to hit from behind unless you're stopped.

01:46:33.000 You know, that's the stereotype about Asians being bad drivers. 0.77

01:46:38.000 A friend of mine who's Asian tried to tell me that the reason for that is their culture, when they're in Asia, especially in China, nobody looks to the left and looks to the right.

01:46:48.000 It's like traditional to look straight ahead and, you know, to mind your own business, don't be staring, don't look off to the left.

01:46:54.000 And also, they run into each other.

01:46:57.000 Have you ever been on the streets of China?

01:46:59.000 Apparently, according to Ari, people just bump into everybody.

01:47:03.000 They just bump into each other.

01:47:04.000 They're just so used to it.

01:47:05.000 It's not a rudeness thing.

01:47:06.000 It's just that's normal to them.

01:47:08.000 So when they get in their cars, they kind of do the same thing.

01:47:11.000 They look straight ahead, they don't look to the left, don't look to the right, and just plow ahead.

01:47:14.000 It was not good for driving.

01:47:16.000 I was in Hong Kong and I was trying to get a flight to...

01:47:19.000 It was with K1, it was a disaster.

01:47:21.000 But I was trying to get a flight from Hong Kong to Gun Chao, this place.

01:47:25.000 And I was at the desk explaining that I had to get this flight quick.

01:47:29.000 I was running through the...

01:47:30.000 I felt like I was in take and I was running about that much.

01:47:32.000 And the journey was just people just barging in front of you.

01:47:35.000 You know, just, I was like...

01:47:37.000 I don't know.

01:47:37.000 And then Jeremy Lin, this kid who I know who lives in Hong Kong, he was saying that the mainland Chinese are miles different than the people from Hong Kong.

01:47:45.000 You have a different sort of, you know, values and culture.

01:47:49.000 Yeah.

01:47:49.000 Well, Hong Kong was a British Empire, right?

01:47:51.000 It was till 1999, yeah. 0.95

01:47:53.000 That's ridiculous.

01:47:54.000 Why'd they give it back? 0.98

01:47:55.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:47:55.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

01:47:56.000 I know all toys are made in Hong Kong, aren't they? 0.99

01:47:59.000 I don't know, are they?

01:48:00.000 Yeah, well, it used to be when I was a kid.

01:48:01.000 That's another funny thing that English people do. 0.79

01:48:03.000 You'll say something and then you ask a question.

01:48:05.000 He's doing great, isn't he?

01:48:06.000 Right?

01:48:07.000 The Welsh do it. 0.99

01:48:09.000 It's Welsh, yeah.

01:48:09.000 Is it a Welsh thing?

01:48:10.000 Yeah, the Welsh do that. 0.75

01:48:11.000 I noticed you used to do that a lot.

01:48:13.000 Well, you still do in commentary.

01:48:14.000 You'll say something very complimentary and then you say, isn't he?

01:48:17.000 Yeah, you see, isn't he in that?

01:48:18.000 It's just getting in agreement.

01:48:20.000 Yeah.

01:48:20.000 Unless it's with Julie Kitchen, who I'll commentate with a lot, or Gavin Sterrett, who I'll commentate with on Yokow.

01:48:27.000 You know, I'm asking them.

01:48:28.000 Probably because I need reassurance, because I'm insecure.

01:48:30.000 LAUGHTER It's an insecure thing.

01:48:33.000 It's a blanket that I need.

01:48:34.000 Well, that's, again, going back to what we were talking about, like language defining things.

01:48:39.000 It's like you're defining the fact that even though you are observing things, you're being conversational about it and you're not being, you know, you're not like the authoritarian.

01:48:51.000 You're not like the authority of all information that's being passed here.

01:48:55.000 You're looking for a consensus.

01:48:56.000 Yeah, of course.

01:48:57.000 When you commentate, and I know, and you know, my commentary is, you've got to be colourful with your language.

01:49:04.000 You've got to engage the audience.

01:49:08.000 To drag them into something just in a fight.

01:49:11.000 Right.

01:49:12.000 You know?

01:49:12.000 You've got to...

01:49:14.000 Well, I'm a bit more spectacular anyway, because I'm a bit hyper, aren't I? I'm a bit squeaky.

01:49:20.000 I feel like Beaker off the Muppets.

01:49:25.000 But it's like, you know, you have to drag the audience in.

01:49:28.000 And I think it's...

01:49:30.000 Chavello's great at that.

01:49:31.000 Chavello's great, yeah.

01:49:33.000 He's got a fantastic, like a whole litany of phrases that he loves to use.

01:49:38.000 And he makes you jump.

01:49:39.000 Yeah.

01:49:39.000 He makes you jump as well.

01:49:42.000 And he'll say stuff that's on his mind, like swearing and...

01:49:46.000 Yeah, for people to know, we're talking about my friend Michael Chevelle, who does commentary for AXS TV. He does Lion Fight, which is the premier organization in the United States, at least, for Muay Thai.

01:49:58.000 In the rest of the world, it's Yakao.

01:50:00.000 Yakao, yeah.

01:50:02.000 October the 6th, Liam Harrison fights Fabio Pinker.

01:50:06.000 Ooh.

01:50:07.000 So that is the Conor McGregor and the Diaz for us.

01:50:10.000 Yeah, it's to me stunning that Muay Thai isn't more popular worldwide, but boxing is.

01:50:17.000 Muay Thai is so much more exciting than boxing.

01:50:20.000 There's so many more variables.

01:50:22.000 It's so many more ways to win.

01:50:24.000 It's so much more effective.

01:50:26.000 And it's just brilliant to watch.

01:50:28.000 When you watch a guy like Sanchai, or Yadson Klai, or all the greats, Bukau, you watch these guys fight, and the artistry, and the beautiful techniques and moves, and also the excitement, the excitement of Muay Thai.

01:50:44.000 It's just so spectacular.

01:50:46.000 Yeah, I mean, Sanchai's Hakala all over.

01:50:49.000 But it's like, you know, with Liam, who I'm a massive fanboy of Liam, you know, he brings a storm.

01:50:56.000 He never leaves anything behind.

01:51:00.000 He brings a storm.

01:51:01.000 And October the 6th is going to be wicked, can't we?

01:51:04.000 I'm sweating.

01:51:05.000 The hands start sweating and all sorts.

01:51:07.000 I'm so childish.

01:51:08.000 I really do need to grow up and get a proper job.

01:51:11.000 No, you don't.

01:51:13.000 Sanchai is interesting, too, because he's really light on his feet.

01:51:17.000 He fights different than most ties.

01:51:19.000 He fights on the balls of the feet almost exclusively, utilizes a lot of front leg sidekicks.

01:51:26.000 It's like a half teep kick, half front leg sidekick.

01:51:29.000 Keeps you off balance a lot.

01:51:31.000 Well, it's Mui Baran, isn't it?

01:51:32.000 I mean, Sanchai, I think, was trained originally by a guy called Sam Rutkam Singh.

01:51:37.000 Who won an Olympic gold medal as well.

01:51:39.000 And he's got a very flamboyant technique.

01:51:41.000 He's amazing, skilled.

01:51:43.000 Is that the guy that was supposed to fight Jean-Claude Van Damme?

01:51:45.000 Yeah, that's the one in Las Vegas.

01:51:47.000 That was the one.

01:51:48.000 Yeah, him.

01:51:48.000 That was never going to happen, right?

01:51:50.000 No.

01:51:51.000 And he's so, again, he's aware, but he's rock hard as well.

01:51:56.000 I mean, you think he's always just messing about, but he's right.

01:51:59.000 I mean, I remember watching him again, watching him, Liam.

01:52:01.000 Liam smashed his front leg to bits and he just said, I can't.

01:52:04.000 You know, kicking him as hard as I could.

01:52:07.000 And he's just still, he's a very special.

01:52:11.000 He's 35. I think he's 36 now as well.

01:52:13.000 Yeah, he's not getting any younger.

01:52:15.000 He just got involved in MMA. He's been training.

01:52:19.000 There's some videos of him doing arm bars and stuff.

01:52:21.000 Yeah, I've seen that.

01:52:22.000 It's interesting because you've got to wonder if that's what he's decided to do.

01:52:25.000 And he fights all the time.

01:52:27.000 That's the other thing.

01:52:28.000 I follow him on Instagram, and Sanchai will have this thing like, about to fight, smile, smile, fist, bicep.

01:52:37.000 He's fighting on September the 11th in England.

01:52:40.000 Is he fighting?

01:52:41.000 Again, I mentioned Cary Kettle.

01:52:43.000 He's training Idris Elba.

01:52:44.000 Charlie Peters.

01:52:45.000 He's fighting Charlie.

01:52:47.000 Well, he fights at least six times a year.

01:52:50.000 Yeah, easy.

01:52:51.000 Easy.

01:52:52.000 He fought in glory, didn't he, in Amsterdam?

01:52:54.000 And won.

01:52:56.000 And that's kickboxing rules, without the clinch, without elbows. 0.96

01:53:00.000 It's interesting that they chose those rules.

01:53:02.000 I'm not a big fan of that.

01:53:04.000 I'm a big fan of the organization, but I like elbows.

01:53:07.000 I think elbows are...

01:53:08.000 I mean, look, if you can kick someone in the head, why can't you elbow them?

01:53:11.000 It's very effective. 0.51

01:53:12.000 We're talking about Muay Thai.

01:53:14.000 Why limit it?

01:53:16.000 Why allow leg kicks, knees to the head, head kicks, but don't allow elbows? 0.79

01:53:22.000 That seems to me to be a little weird.

01:53:23.000 I think the one thing that keeps Muay Thai back is the traditional side of it, which I love.

01:53:30.000 I love it.

01:53:31.000 Like the Waikuru?

01:53:32.000 The Waikuru, the Monkon on the head. 0.96

01:53:35.000 How does that hold it back, though?

01:53:36.000 Well, because people, this is my opinion, I may be wrong, but it's like, you know, people sit there and they get the beer or whatever, and they come in and they watch the fights, and then they just say, what's that on his head?

01:53:45.000 Well, you're a fan of martial arts, so you're not going to really see what they see.

01:53:48.000 But I can see it from, you know, what's that got in his head for, and what's that music, why are they dancing, blah, blah, blah.

01:53:53.000 The dance is odd, and also the music while they're actually fighting is a little odd.

01:53:57.000 But if you watched it, you wouldn't hear it.

01:53:59.000 I don't hear it.

01:54:00.000 Yeah.

01:54:00.000 I don't listen, you know, and if you listen for it, you obviously hear it because that's your focus.

01:54:04.000 Yeah.

01:54:04.000 But I love it.

01:54:05.000 And there's some great fighters coming through in England and everywhere else.

01:54:09.000 And great things happening with the World Thai Boxing Council.

01:54:13.000 World Thai Boxing Association that Brian Doble is involved in.

01:54:15.000 Loads of stuff coming through.

01:54:16.000 She's good.

01:54:17.000 Yoko and, you know, like you said, Lion Fight.

01:54:20.000 Iman Barlow is one of my friends.

01:54:22.000 She's fighting on Lion Fight. 0.83

01:54:23.000 She's amazing.

01:54:24.000 She's fighting.

01:54:25.000 So Shivala will love her.

01:54:26.000 Yeah, I'm just happy that Lion Fight exists because it seems like there's so few organizations that are showing high-level Muay Thai in the United States.

01:54:35.000 I mean, if it wasn't for Mark Cuban's Access TV, it's like there's not any other options.

01:54:41.000 Yeah.

01:54:41.000 There's some good fighters.

01:54:42.000 Gaston Balanos.

01:54:43.000 Very good.

01:54:44.000 I like him.

01:54:44.000 He's great.

01:54:45.000 He's only had a few fights.

01:54:46.000 He's rock hard.

01:54:47.000 I think he's 6-1.

01:54:48.000 He lost one fight and it was a very highly disputed decision loss.

01:54:53.000 Against the Thai. 0.96

01:54:53.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:54:55.000 I thought he won that fight.

01:54:56.000 Well, it's difficult.

01:54:59.000 I've watched it once and it's close.

01:55:01.000 I'd have to watch it again to really sort of analyse it.

01:55:04.000 But I like his style.

01:55:06.000 He comes for his fight and he's only had a few fights.

01:55:09.000 I think hopefully he'll fight in England soon enough.

01:55:13.000 Yeah, and of course, Kevin Ross, who you said before.

01:55:15.000 Great guy.

01:55:16.000 Very fun guy to watch, too.

01:55:17.000 Yeah.

01:55:18.000 He's highly skilled.

01:55:19.000 Zoila Frausto is fighting in Glory.

01:55:22.000 And Kevin Ross is also fighting in Bellator Kickboxing, too, right?

01:55:26.000 Yeah.

01:55:26.000 I've seen his last one, and he's still a little bit Muay Thai.

01:55:30.000 He's very difficult to fight.

01:55:32.000 That style, but obviously he's with a good gym.

01:55:34.000 So they'll transition that.

01:55:36.000 Isn't it funny that to most people it looks like the same thing?

01:55:40.000 They're looking at it like, what's the difference?

01:55:42.000 But the clinch is a big factor and the elbows are a big factor.

01:55:46.000 Yeah, the stance as well.

01:55:46.000 The pace, the stance.

01:55:48.000 You know, Giorgio Petrosian fights Muay Thai style, but he adapts to the rules very well because of his boxing skill.

01:55:57.000 What is Giorgio up to now?

01:55:58.000 He's fighting soon in Bellator, I don't know where.

01:56:02.000 Because he had that one devastating loss to Andy Ristey.

01:56:06.000 He's amazing Petrosian, up close.

01:56:08.000 I've never seen anybody like that.

01:56:10.000 Just slips shots and just lands.

01:56:12.000 When he lands with his counters, they're not soft.

01:56:16.000 They're like whack.

01:56:17.000 You know, you're in a position where you can't hit him and he can hit you.

01:56:20.000 He's just poetry in motion.

01:56:22.000 He's absolutely superb.

01:56:23.000 He's interesting too because he's not like some physical specimen or anything like that.

01:56:27.000 He's just an average guy, but he's a very intelligent approach to fighting.

01:56:32.000 Hakala.

01:56:34.000 Yeah, Hakalau.

01:56:35.000 His eyesight is because he's so focused on what he does.

01:56:41.000 And even if you watch his training, everything is specific.

01:56:43.000 He's a southpaw as well, which you can limit the shots of what you can hit a southpaw with, you know, or a southpaw can hit you with.

01:56:49.000 And he's just got that down to a fine art.

01:56:51.000 And so is Vasile.

01:56:52.000 He says they've got that to a fine art.

01:56:54.000 The counters that you're going to throw, they've seen it lots and lots of times.

01:56:58.000 Whereas if you haven't sparred with lots of southpaws and spent time with them, Then it is difficult for you to adjust to that, you know?

01:57:04.000 It's like Cubans, you have so many southpaws because of the style's difficult to contend with sometimes. 0.99

01:57:12.000 Yeah, it is funny that more people don't do it.

01:57:15.000 They don't compete as a southpaw.

01:57:17.000 And there's a lot of teachers that are starting to teach, like Emmanuel Stewart was doing that towards his end days, was teaching guys to fight with their strong hand forward.

01:57:26.000 So he's taking right handers and having to fight southpaw.

01:57:28.000 Yeah.

01:57:29.000 Yeah, well, Cotto's a left-handed orthodox.

01:57:32.000 De La Hoya's a left-handed orthodox.

01:57:34.000 Yeah, De La Hoya's left-handed, but he would fight in an orthodox stance, so he'd have his left arm, which is his dominant hand, forward.

01:57:40.000 Andre Ward.

01:57:41.000 Yeah.

01:57:41.000 He's left-handed.

01:57:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:57:43.000 But I don't know whether Vasily Lomachenko's right-handed or not.

01:57:46.000 It's interesting, though, isn't it?

01:57:48.000 To make that decision, to use your dominant hand as your front hand, when everybody else uses it as the power hand, the back hand.

01:57:54.000 Yeah, but it's...

01:57:56.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:57:57.000 It feels a bit...

01:57:58.000 But then again, it would feel weird if you don't do it.

01:58:00.000 It's just like anything.

01:58:01.000 It's practice.

01:58:01.000 Everything feels weird.

01:58:02.000 Remember the first time you tried to throw a left hook?

01:58:03.000 You're like, what?

01:58:04.000 Yeah.

01:58:04.000 I'm a southpaw anyway.

01:58:05.000 I'm left-handed anyway.

01:58:07.000 Oh, are you?

01:58:07.000 Okay.

01:58:08.000 Yeah, so it's always been a right hook first and that.

01:58:11.000 Yeah, but I remember the first time throwing a hook, thinking, like, what a bizarre way to generate power.

01:58:17.000 And now it's a second nature.

01:58:19.000 Now it just feels like you just, you know, your body just moves that way.

01:58:23.000 Yeah, you just let it go.

01:58:24.000 I think John Wayne Parr's left-handed.

01:58:26.000 Is he?

01:58:26.000 Mm.

01:58:27.000 Because you watch whatever he does, he's like, he's left kick.

01:58:29.000 But he trained with Sang Tieng Noi for many years.

01:58:32.000 And Sang Tieng Noi is a left kick, but Sang Tieng Noi is a southpaw.

01:58:35.000 But John Wayne Parr's got a great left kick.

01:58:38.000 Yeah, we're slowly starting to see real high-level Muay Thai fighters compete in MMA and really more so in women's MMA. Yeah.

01:58:46.000 I mean, we have a lot of high-level people in men's MMA, of course, but in women's MMA... Why am I not saying her name right?

01:58:58.000 Why am I saying her name right?

01:59:00.000 Why am I saying it wrong, though?

01:59:05.000 Joanna Jacek.

01:59:06.000 Is she the Polish girl?

01:59:07.000 Joanna Jacek.

01:59:08.000 She's Polish.

01:59:09.000 But why am I saying it wrong?

01:59:10.000 It's one of those words where if you don't say it for a couple days, you go back to it and go, Joanna.

01:59:15.000 Everybody says Johanna, too.

01:59:16.000 It's actually Joanna Jacek.

01:59:19.000 I think I'm saying it right.

01:59:21.000 I feel awful.

01:59:22.000 It's so different between the way she says it, she says it, and you're like, ooh, I don't even know if I can make that noise in my face.

01:59:28.000 See, why questions things?

01:59:30.000 See, here's the thing. 0.98

01:59:31.000 When you look at it right there, first of all, what the fuck is going on with that E? Why does that E have a goatee? 0.99

01:59:37.000 That does not help me at all.

01:59:39.000 If you pull up her name and you make me say her name, it doesn't help me at all.

01:59:44.000 But whatever. 0.89

01:59:45.000 She's fucking awesome. 0.98

01:59:47.000 What she is, is she's really incredible. 0.99

01:59:51.000 Her technique, her jab is just vicious. 1.00

01:59:55.000 She steps forward and blasts that stiff jab on girls. 1.00

01:59:59.000 Her front kicks, her round kicks, her elbows when she's defending takedowns, her clinch work. 1.00

02:00:06.000 I mean, God, she's good.

02:00:07.000 She's so good.

02:00:08.000 She's one of the most technical strikers in any division.

02:00:12.000 And she's in women's MMA, of course. 0.76

02:00:14.000 Valentina Shevchenko, of course.

02:00:16.000 Very, very accomplished Muay Thai fighter who's now fighting in women's MMA. Yeah, there's some good coaches coming through.

02:00:25.000 Brian Popejoy as well from Boxingworks.

02:00:27.000 He's really good.

02:00:29.000 I watched him on pads the other day and he knows what he's doing.

02:00:32.000 He's a good coach.

02:00:33.000 Good with elbows and good with timing and all that sort of business.

02:00:36.000 What do you think that Muay Thai needs in order to become as popular in the United States as it is in other parts of the world?

02:00:43.000 A chance.

02:00:44.000 A chance, right?

02:00:45.000 A chance.

02:00:46.000 It's not that it's not fun.

02:00:48.000 No, it's not.

02:00:49.000 And it's not as if they've not got decent people with it.

02:00:51.000 I'm here because, well, I want to see Joe Schilling and Ian McCall, obviously, coming here with you, which is brilliant.

02:00:56.000 Thanks very much.

02:00:57.000 But I've come to see Brian Dobler from Double Dose Muay Thai.

02:01:00.000 And he's like a million miles an hour of everything.

02:01:04.000 Where's that?

02:01:05.000 In Fontana, in California.

02:01:08.000 And, you know, they have got the talent.

02:01:11.000 It's just a chance.

02:01:12.000 I actually don't know.

02:01:13.000 I think there's a lot of maybe politics involved or, you know, they're not getting...

02:01:17.000 The smokers have been banned.

02:01:21.000 Amateur fights.

02:01:22.000 Yeah, we call them interclubs.

02:01:23.000 They're banned everywhere?

02:01:25.000 Or just California?

02:01:26.000 They're banned in California, which is...

02:01:27.000 Unfortunate.

02:01:28.000 Yeah, unfortunate, because how are they going to get experience?

02:01:31.000 They're not, but also they're not going to die.

02:01:33.000 No, they're not.

02:01:34.000 That's what people were worried about.

02:01:35.000 No, they're not.

02:01:36.000 Some people were being unethical and they're smokers.

02:01:39.000 They didn't have proper medical staff.

02:01:42.000 I think someone got hurt in an MMA smoker.

02:01:45.000 And I think it kind of polluted everything.

02:01:48.000 A bit like the sock.

02:01:48.000 People get hurt in the gym.

02:01:50.000 A bit like the sock in the washing machine it happened.

02:01:53.000 But I'd love it to have a chance.

02:01:54.000 I think it should be bigger in the United States.

02:01:56.000 And they need a commentator from England, by the way.

02:01:59.000 Yeah, I agree.

02:02:00.000 I really do think that it should be bigger in the United States.

02:02:02.000 And I do think that it's not like cricket.

02:02:06.000 Like, good luck selling that.

02:02:07.000 But it's something that's universally exciting.

02:02:09.000 I know you guys enjoy cricket.

02:02:11.000 I don't even know what it means.

02:02:13.000 Good.

02:02:14.000 I don't even know anything about it.

02:02:16.000 Congratulations.

02:02:16.000 You made it this far.

02:02:17.000 Or football.

02:02:18.000 Or American football.

02:02:19.000 Or baseball, either.

02:02:20.000 But Muay Thai is universally exciting.

02:02:23.000 If you watch it, it's universally exciting.

02:02:24.000 And in my opinion, it's one of the most effective combat sports as itself, as an individual unit.

02:02:31.000 Yeah.

02:02:31.000 Yoko, what I work for, amazing.

02:02:34.000 And Fusion, I'm very privileged to work for them, too.

02:02:38.000 Yeah, you're dealing with high-level stuff.

02:02:40.000 I love it.

02:02:41.000 And Fusion have the best newcomers, the new kids on the block.

02:02:45.000 Coming through, they're amazing.

02:02:46.000 These Moroccans are rock hard. 1.00

02:02:48.000 And England, you know, with Jokaw and Jordan Watson, Liam and Panikos and all the good guys coming through, it's wicked. 1.00

02:02:56.000 I love it. 0.99

02:02:57.000 Listen, I hate to cut this off, but I've got to get the fuck out of here. 0.79

02:03:00.000 But I really appreciate you coming down here again. 0.80

02:03:02.000 Thank you very much.

02:03:03.000 I learn a lot every time I talk to you, and I think the people do as well.

02:03:07.000 Thank you, man.

02:03:07.000 And I appreciate the timeline therapy.

02:03:09.000 And if people want to get a hold of you, how do they do that?

02:03:12.000 Yeah, VinnyShorman.com.

02:03:13.000 You can get me on Facebook, or you can get me at VinnyShowTime69 on Twitter.

02:03:17.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much.

02:03:20.000 Vinny Shorman!

02:03:21.000 Thanks, Joe.

02:03:21.000 Thanks, brother.

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 10, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #832 - Vinny Shoreman

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript