The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #862 - Trevor Valle

00:00:00.000 Two, one...

00:00:01.000 Yes!

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00:00:03.000 Yes, Trevor, we're here.

00:00:04.000 We're back.

00:00:05.000 Yay! 0.99

00:00:05.000 Two years, almost to the day, and we didn't even plan it that way. 0.99

00:00:08.000 No, it was weird.

00:00:09.000 I pulled it up, and I'm like, oh, hey.

00:00:12.000 I was here in 2014. Wasn't it October?

00:00:14.000 Shit, October 23rd. 0.99

00:00:15.000 And in two years, something's happened to your beard, where it's a bright yellow that doesn't exist in nature. 0.99

00:00:20.000 Or it exists in flowers.

00:00:22.000 Yeah, flowers.

00:00:23.000 It reacts under blacklight as well.

00:00:25.000 Oh.

00:00:26.000 Yeah, my Twitter profile picture is under blacklight. 0.99

00:00:29.000 Yeah, I used to dye my beard crazy fucking colors all the time. 0.95

00:00:32.000 It was like green, purple, and blue, and all that. 0.96

00:00:34.000 And I did this neon yellow, and I've always liked it.

00:00:38.000 And the girl I was dating always hated it. 0.92

00:00:41.000 Perfect.

00:00:41.000 Run with it.

00:00:43.000 It's my vengeance die. 0.97

00:00:45.000 What is this crazy shirt you got on, too? 0.93

00:00:47.000 What is this?

00:00:48.000 Miskatonic University, you know, Cthulhu, H.P. Lovecraft, and all that.

00:00:52.000 This company does, well, they're called Geeky Jerseys, and they do just radical fucking jerseys, so this is like the Cthulhu jersey. 0.57

00:01:01.000 And it's like a wizard jersey, too. 0.90

00:01:02.000 Look at the sleeves.

00:01:03.000 Oh, no, it's the hockey sleeves.

00:01:05.000 Oh, I see.

00:01:06.000 It's legit hockey sleeves.

00:01:07.000 Yeah, it's goalie cut, so it's a little bit baggier.

00:01:10.000 I thought you were a wizard.

00:01:11.000 No.

00:01:13.000 No, they do stuff like Game of Thrones jerseys and all this crazy stuff, and they're just like, hey, you do a lot of talks and you always wear a jersey, so we're just going to start sending you a jersey.

00:01:23.000 I'm like, oh, okay.

00:01:24.000 Well, that's very nice of them.

00:01:25.000 Because I always wear hockey jerseys.

00:01:26.000 When I was in here, I was trying to be, last time, professional with the polo and all that.

00:01:30.000 Oh, yeah.

00:01:31.000 Yeah.

00:01:31.000 Yeah, not anymore.

00:01:32.000 Was that because you were promoting something?

00:01:34.000 You had to be...

00:01:35.000 Yeah, I had to be a little bit more clean cut.

00:01:37.000 It was like Nat Geo.

00:01:38.000 Did they give you like a mandate?

00:01:41.000 Or they give you like standards of dress and stuff?

00:01:44.000 Not really, but since it was like a pretty professional documentary we were doing, it was suggested very lightly by my publicist.

00:01:55.000 And she's just like, well, you know... 0.93

00:01:58.000 Business casual, maybe.

00:01:59.000 Business casual.

00:02:00.000 And I'm like, but I wear hockey jerseys and shorts.

00:02:02.000 She's like, yeah, no.

00:02:04.000 Why not?

00:02:05.000 That's why I'm doing it now, man.

00:02:07.000 Isn't it funny?

00:02:07.000 It's like, you're a legitimate paleontologist.

00:02:10.000 You actually do real research.

00:02:11.000 Like, why do you have to dress like everybody knows your credentials?

00:02:16.000 The thing about that, the crazy thing is, I mean, and there's the whole paleo thing, too.

00:02:24.000 It's weird that When you ask somebody, hey, do you know what a paleontologist is?

00:02:29.000 A lot of people say yes.

00:02:30.000 A lot of people go, hey, like Ross on Friends.

00:02:32.000 What's Ross on?

00:02:33.000 Oh, Ross.

00:02:34.000 Ross.

00:02:35.000 I forgot the guy's name.

00:02:35.000 I forgot.

00:02:36.000 He was a paleontologist?

00:02:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:02:38.000 Bullshit he was. 1.00

00:02:39.000 I know, right? 1.00

00:02:39.000 Fucking dude had all that free time. 1.00

00:02:41.000 He's hanging out in a coffee shop talking about nonsense. 1.00

00:02:44.000 Yeah, I know, I know like R1 position guys at museums that are doing like full academics.

00:02:50.000 They would never have that amount of time.

00:02:52.000 They don't have any time.

00:02:53.000 No, zero. 1.00

00:02:54.000 Isn't that fucked? 1.00

00:02:55.000 It's crazy. 1.00

00:02:56.000 You can't be a casual paleontologist.

00:02:58.000 Right.

00:02:58.000 And I ask them, what does a paleontologist look like?

00:03:01.000 When I used to work at the tar pits, I would ask kids on tours and stuff like that, and they're like, oh, he's got a hat and a whip.

00:03:08.000 I'm like, they're describing Indiana Jones.

00:03:10.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:10.000 That's what you wear, right?

00:03:11.000 Yeah, sure.

00:03:14.000 And I'm like, okay, well, I have a neon orange beard and I'm wearing a lab coat and I'm covered in tattoos.

00:03:19.000 Do you think I'm a paleontologist?

00:03:20.000 And they're like, no, you're like a biker.

00:03:22.000 It's like, nope, uh-huh.

00:03:24.000 Here's the stuff.

00:03:25.000 Welcome to my lab.

00:03:26.000 This is my deal going on.

00:03:28.000 You can get away with that in 2016, but if you were living in the 1970s, good luck.

00:03:32.000 Oh, I would be burned at the metaphorical stake.

00:03:35.000 It wouldn't have worked.

00:03:36.000 No, it's like because I had long hair and dyed weird colors.

00:03:39.000 You know what's funny, dude?

00:03:41.000 Like I said, you're a legit paleontologist, but I saw you the other day arguing with flat-earth people on Twitter.

00:03:48.000 I'm also a science generalist. 0.99

00:03:50.000 Like, holy shit, dude. 1.00

00:03:53.000 You were going to war. 1.00

00:03:54.000 It was hilarious.

00:03:54.000 I checked back an hour later.

00:03:56.000 You're still going at it. 1.00

00:03:57.000 Fuck yeah, dude. 1.00

00:03:58.000 Yeah, because you threw it out there. 1.00

00:03:59.000 And I'm like, okay.

00:04:00.000 I see where this is going.

00:04:02.000 Well, someone was calling me a flat earth sellout.

00:04:04.000 The guy was calling me a sellout because I make fun of flat earth.

00:04:10.000 And he's like, I know where your checks are being cash.

00:04:12.000 Like, what?

00:04:13.000 What?

00:04:13.000 What does that even mean?

00:04:15.000 Like, I'm getting a round earth, like, hey, keep a secret, right?

00:04:17.000 Here's your round earth check.

00:04:19.000 Here's the shill organization.

00:04:21.000 Yeah, imagine if, like, everybody in the media was just getting a check to make sure that you keep perpetrating the lie that the earth is round.

00:04:29.000 Like, the logic behind that. 0.93

00:04:30.000 But it's not just fucking Flat Earth. 1.00

00:04:32.000 It's like Flat Earth and chemtrails and creationism and moon hoaxers and the reptilians and just all the weird shit, man. 1.00

00:04:41.000 Well, speaking of chemtrails... 0.99

00:04:42.000 The flat one is the craziest one.

00:04:44.000 Like, everything is round except the Earth.

00:04:47.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:04:48.000 Like, all the videos have all been faked?

00:04:50.000 Every one of them?

00:04:51.000 Every space station mission that took video?

00:04:53.000 Every space shuttle mission that got video?

00:04:55.000 Every satellite that gets photographs?

00:04:57.000 All that's fake?

00:04:58.000 All of it's fake.

00:04:58.000 All of it, everything from the beginning of the 1960s when they first started doing this to today.

00:05:04.000 It's all fake?

00:05:04.000 Yeah.

00:05:05.000 So I've actually gotten to huge fucking debates about that. 0.97

00:05:08.000 But who? 0.97

00:05:08.000 Like, people on Twitter. 0.97

00:05:10.000 Online.

00:05:10.000 And online.

00:05:11.000 Well, and there was one person, God, what was his name?

00:05:16.000 So he came into the bar that I bartend at now, and he was talking about it briefly, and he's like, yeah, you know, I heard you on the Joe Rogan program, and it was really cool, and you know, he's like, not really cool with conspiracy theorists and all that.

00:05:30.000 And I'm like, no, he gives them, like, equal time.

00:05:33.000 He's like, yeah, the whole flat earth thing.

00:05:35.000 I'm like, don't even start, man.

00:05:37.000 Are you serious?

00:05:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:05:39.000 It's these fucking YouTube videos. 1.00

00:05:41.000 That's what it is. 1.00

00:05:42.000 You watch YouTube videos, and no one's opposing them while they're talking.

00:05:45.000 So they're talking very...

00:05:46.000 they sound very articulate.

00:05:48.000 Right.

00:05:48.000 They're using all these big words, and they're saying things without anybody going, what?

00:05:52.000 Stop! 1.00

00:05:53.000 Stop! 1.00

00:05:53.000 That's not true. 1.00

00:05:54.000 And that's the problem.

00:05:55.000 And I both blame them and science at the same time.

00:05:59.000 How do you blame science? 0.70

00:06:00.000 Well, a long time ago when we had guys like Richard Hoagland doing the Face on Mars and crazy shit like that, or like early creationists or flood geology or flatter things way in the back, you know, in the backwards time... 0.73

00:06:17.000 Science would always like shove it off into a corner and go, hey, see the cranks over there? 0.76

00:06:21.000 Let's ignore them.

00:06:21.000 If we ignore them, they'll go away.

00:06:23.000 And then we got things like CompuServe and AOL and forums and BBSs and then they got a little louder.

00:06:29.000 Then they got access to self-publishing.

00:06:31.000 They got a little louder. 0.97

00:06:32.000 Now with social media, YouTube and all that, the same 5% of humanity can get really fucking loud. 0.97

00:06:41.000 Mm-hmm. 0.95

00:06:42.000 We didn't shut them down early enough and now they're loud enough That we have a problem. 1.00

00:06:49.000 Well, Hoagland is out of his fucking mind. 0.99

00:06:53.000 I watched a whole lecture where he was talking about all of the artificial structures on the moon, and this guy just, he just like arbitrarily measures the distance between this rock and the point of this pyramid, it's not a pyramid, but he would call it a pyramid, right? 0.99

00:07:07.000 The distance between this rock is exactly the same distance as the pyramid in Giza, the connection to the left foot of the Sphinx, and like, how do you, why?

00:07:16.000 Why?

00:07:16.000 Why are you making that connection?

00:07:18.000 You could do that anywhere.

00:07:19.000 You could do a map of a city and just start.

00:07:24.000 The distance between your house and my house is exactly the same as my house to that rock.

00:07:29.000 That rock holds special significance.

00:07:31.000 Yeah, it's like, oh, your house is on a ley line and mine's off that.

00:07:34.000 It's like, no, just stop.

00:07:36.000 It was madness.

00:07:37.000 I watched this whole...

00:07:38.000 It was more than an hour long, and I was watching all these ridiculous connections that this guy was making and trying to say that all these structures, that the odds of them being, you know, some sort of a natural... 0.97

00:07:48.000 And I'm looking at it, I'm like, that looks like a fucking rock to me. 0.97

00:07:50.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:07:50.000 And he was saying, there's, without a doubt, that is an artificially created structure, absolutely made by intelligent life... 0.93

00:07:56.000 That was the thing with the whole face on Mars when the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter started doing the flyovers, and then he was getting louder.

00:08:04.000 Why aren't you going to photograph the Cydonian planes?

00:08:06.000 And they're fine.

00:08:07.000 Fine.

00:08:08.000 You know what? 1.00

00:08:09.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:08:09.000 We're redirecting the satellite. 1.00

00:08:11.000 We're going to do eight passes, high-res photos, the whole deal, and like, oh, look, it's a mountain.

00:08:17.000 Well, it's a cool-looking mountain.

00:08:18.000 It's a rad-looking mountain.

00:08:19.000 It's weird.

00:08:20.000 It's got a weird shape on the bottom.

00:08:22.000 What's interesting to me, far more interesting than the face, because the face was cool in the first picture because of the shadows and it kind of almost looked like a face.

00:08:31.000 And it was also a low-res picture from Viking.

00:08:33.000 And then when they got high-res pictures, you go, oh, well, it's just a trick of the shadows and everything.

00:08:37.000 What's kind of interesting is what does happen sometimes in nature, you get these bizarre shapes.

00:08:43.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:08:44.000 Where it almost looks like someone built it.

00:08:46.000 Like, it's kind of on both sides, there's parallel lines.

00:08:50.000 The way it's shaped, it's almost like a created picture.

00:08:52.000 Yeah, look at the hexagonal cleavage at Devil's Post Pile or the Giant's Causeway in Scotland and stuff like that.

00:09:00.000 That looks like it's set in, but that's just because it's hexagonal cleavage. 1.00

00:09:05.000 Or that one spot on Jupiter, you know, that one spot on the top of Jupiter?

00:09:10.000 Saturn?

00:09:11.000 Yeah, the hexagonal...

00:09:13.000 Because of shear winds.

00:09:15.000 Yeah, isn't that amazing?

00:09:16.000 I talked to a friend that works at JPL, and I'm like, what is going on here?

00:09:20.000 It's like, oh, there's different densities of air and shear winds, and it creates this cool hexagon.

00:09:24.000 I'm like, that's fucking rad.

00:09:25.000 Yeah, I mean, people are like, it's a base! 0.96

00:09:28.000 It's an intelligent base!

00:09:30.000 The same guy who puts out those videos about the flat earth now has a video that you will love, and it's dinosaurs are not real.

00:09:37.000 Ooh.

00:09:38.000 Which is right up your alley.

00:09:39.000 Oh, great.

00:09:39.000 See, I didn't know that you were also, you were not just a flat earth shill, but you were also a dinosaur shill.

00:09:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:09:47.000 I'm a dinosaur shill, a round earth shill.

00:09:51.000 Yeah, a globe earth shill.

00:09:52.000 I work for Chemtrail Corporations.

00:09:57.000 Yeah, all these different- What is the, if you could just tell us, what is the purpose of the Chemtrails?

00:10:01.000 What are they trying to do? 0.97

00:10:02.000 It depends on who's talking because they've got like 19 different fucking stories. 0.99

00:10:06.000 It's like one, it's like mind control. 0.99

00:10:08.000 The second one is population control.

00:10:09.000 The third one is solar radiation management to, you know, to either make global warming or to stop global warming and they fight with each other. 0.99

00:10:19.000 All it is is bullshit. 1.00

00:10:21.000 A hundred percent fucking bullshit. 1.00

00:10:23.000 It's you can download It was the same link that you retweeted out when we did the chemtrail back and forth on Twitter. 1.00

00:10:34.000 You can get a humidity chart of every day to your location.

00:10:39.000 It gives you the range of humidity into the stratosphere.

00:10:42.000 And you know when a plane will have a contrail, will have a persistent contrail, and won't have anything. 0.95

00:10:49.000 It's home fucking citizen science that can be done.

00:10:52.000 Yeah, I mean, NASA has a website where they predict contrails, and they're super accurate. 0.96

00:10:57.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:10:58.000 And I've ripped people apart with this, and then all of a sudden it's like, well, you got it from NASA, you're a NASA shill.

00:11:04.000 Well, you're arguing with 15-year-olds, probably.

00:11:07.000 There's a lot of it.

00:11:08.000 Oh, no, some of them are.

00:11:09.000 Some of them are.

00:11:10.000 Oh, speaking of contrails, I got this for you.

00:11:12.000 What is it?

00:11:14.000 Team Chemtrail, baby.

00:11:16.000 Oh, nice.

00:11:17.000 Team Chemtrail.

00:11:18.000 Spray and pray.

00:11:19.000 Spray and pray.

00:11:20.000 On and off.

00:11:21.000 There's an on and off button.

00:11:24.000 I'm gonna put this on my car.

00:11:25.000 People are gonna key it.

00:11:27.000 They gotta be mad. 0.99

00:11:28.000 Fucking chill! 0.99

00:11:30.000 It's a weird world we live in, Trevor. 0.99

00:11:32.000 Yeah.

00:11:33.000 It's a weird world.

00:11:33.000 This access to self-publishing, whether it's YouTube or blogs or...

00:11:39.000 Podcasts.

00:11:39.000 You don't need anybody to tell you, like, hey man, we just ran a check on your information, your date is all wrong.

00:11:46.000 You could just do it. 0.99

00:11:47.000 The dinosaur one, this guy made this fucking video about dinosaurs not being real. 0.99

00:11:52.000 I'm like, this is goddamned hilarious. 0.99

00:11:54.000 Is that the...

00:11:55.000 I think I just...

00:11:59.000 So my whole involvement with this on Twitter is I'll take that Darwin's fault.

00:12:05.000 I started following...

00:12:06.000 TakeThatDarwin, the Twitter handle?

00:12:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:08.000 It's a great Twitter handle.

00:12:10.000 Yeah, at TakeThatDarwin. 0.99

00:12:10.000 He has spawned an entire fucking, like, nest of people. 0.99

00:12:16.000 There's TakeThatEarth theory fail. 0.99

00:12:19.000 Whenever somebody says, oh, evolution's just a theory, he jumps in.

00:12:23.000 TakeThatSalk for vaccines.

00:12:26.000 TakeThatForeskin for circumcision. 0.76

00:12:30.000 There's like, take that science.

00:12:31.000 He's the general one.

00:12:33.000 Take that etymology. 0.99

00:12:34.000 She just does words that people fuck up. 1.00

00:12:36.000 There's like this whole group. 0.71

00:12:38.000 He spawned this, this just psychom, you know, science communication. 1.00

00:12:44.000 Hey, look at the specimen idiots. 1.00

00:12:47.000 There's like 30 of them. 1.00

00:12:48.000 And there's also a Take That Dinosaurs that does all the dinosaur retreating.

00:12:52.000 There really are.

00:12:53.000 It's a growing movement where people don't think dinosaurs were real.

00:12:56.000 Well, so it was like last year or the year before, I think maybe right after I did the show last time, there was this bogus group that started a Facebook thing called Christians Against Dinosaurs.

00:13:10.000 And they put, like, pictures of a protest and all of their, like, oh no, it's Big Paleo? 0.97

00:13:16.000 Like, are you fucking kidding? 0.98

00:13:18.000 It was a total hoax. 0.98

00:13:19.000 So it was like an Onion-type deal.

00:13:21.000 Exactly.

00:13:22.000 Parody.

00:13:22.000 But they started to run with it and just, like, have a fun time.

00:13:26.000 They found me and a couple other paleontologists on Twitter.

00:13:28.000 Then I noticed their entire protest photo was actually photoshopped from a parking protest, I think, in Scotland.

00:13:37.000 Because...

00:13:38.000 There's this one fun little graphic of no-feathered dinosaurs that paleontologists came up with because we're just crazy people.

00:13:46.000 And they use that graphic.

00:13:47.000 I'm like, wait a minute.

00:13:48.000 And so I found all the artifacts in Photoshop, and I called them out on them, and they just got real quiet real fast.

00:13:54.000 There's a big debate about whether or not dinosaurs had feathers, right?

00:13:58.000 Yeah, but it depends on the dinosaur.

00:14:00.000 Right.

00:14:00.000 Sort of like depends on the lizard versus depends on the bird.

00:14:04.000 Right, right.

00:14:05.000 Many dinosaurs either have evidence of feathers or they are morphologically similar to dinosaurs with feathers.

00:14:14.000 Like raptors, we have found feather imprints.

00:14:19.000 There's the quill knobs on the ulna where the wings would be.

00:14:23.000 And we have found theropods, the beast-footed dinosaurs, with feathers.

00:14:28.000 Whether or not they all did is the question.

00:14:31.000 Did Tyrannosaurus have feathers?

00:14:33.000 Not quite sure yet.

00:14:34.000 Likely, maybe as a baby, and then when it grew up.

00:14:37.000 But, I don't know, it could be a 14-foot-long chicken.

00:14:40.000 There's a replica of a dinosaur.

00:14:43.000 I forget which dinosaur.

00:14:45.000 I think it's a raptor.

00:14:47.000 And it's at the University or the Museum of Bozeman.

00:14:51.000 Oh yeah, Bozeman, Montana.

00:14:52.000 Yeah.

00:14:53.000 And they have this feathered dinosaur up on display.

00:14:57.000 It's really kind of interesting because one half of it, they have it kind of split down the middle.

00:15:01.000 One half of it is covered in feathers and the other half of it you just see the actual bones itself.

00:15:06.000 Oh, that's cool.

00:15:07.000 Yeah.

00:15:07.000 Like that old invisible human that we had to put together in the 80s.

00:15:13.000 Yeah, exactly like that.

00:15:14.000 Yeah, see if you can find that, Jamie, because it's pretty cool.

00:15:16.000 But, you know, they go with all these wild, crazy colors of feathers.

00:15:20.000 It's like, it's almost too bad we can't figure out what they really looked like, because we're just kind of piecing together their skin texture and just guessing on the colors.

00:15:29.000 Every once in a while, we'll find something awesome.

00:15:31.000 Like, there was the mummified hadrosaur Leonardo that actually had...

00:15:36.000 Skin and organs that like soft tissue that mineralized and all this cool stuff or feather imprints from Archaeopteryx.

00:15:45.000 Yeah.

00:15:45.000 Or like interesting looking like beaked dinosaurs like Aqualops and stuff.

00:15:53.000 Really cool shit. 0.98

00:15:54.000 But the problem is, fossils are rare. 0.99

00:16:00.000 Doing any sort of soft tissue preservation is rare, extremely rare.

00:16:05.000 And all the lighter material just kind of desiccates and falls away. 0.90

00:16:09.000 So when we find something like that, it's holy crap.

00:16:12.000 Yeah, just shut everything down and focus on it real quick.

00:16:16.000 That's the most fascinating thing about the fossil record to me is how difficult it is to actually make a fossil.

00:16:21.000 Yeah.

00:16:22.000 Most things just rot.

00:16:23.000 Right, right.

00:16:24.000 It has to be certain conditions, but most people think, oh, it has to be buried in water and then sand covering it and all that.

00:16:34.000 Well, that's one way, and that's a very common way.

00:16:37.000 A lot of the stuff in Montana...

00:16:39.000 That used to be swampland with the Western Interior Seaway.

00:16:42.000 So dinosaurs like T. rex and triceratops, they would get covered in mud and sediment and all that, and the bones would mineralize.

00:16:49.000 The calcium on the outside of the bone would get replaced with minerals in the water and the sand.

00:16:55.000 And then they would get buried in sandstone.

00:16:57.000 It's all cool.

00:16:57.000 But then you've got things that can fall into peat bogs, natural trap caves, tar pits like here in LA, and all sorts of other things that create fossils, which are really cool.

00:17:09.000 So it's not just mineralization through water.

00:17:13.000 That is hard to do.

00:17:15.000 It can happen quickly.

00:17:17.000 Depending on the limestone, the amount of limestone in the dripping, like you can, there was somebody that like left a boot in a heavily limestone water cave and it calcified like in a matter of weeks.

00:17:29.000 But that's not really mineralization.

00:17:31.000 That's more like encasement.

00:17:35.000 But yeah, fossils are rare.

00:17:38.000 To do a fossil is rare.

00:17:39.000 Yeah, the concept, I think, also eludes people.

00:17:42.000 Most people, when they see a fossil bone, they think that that's the bone itself just really old.

00:17:48.000 And what it is, is the minerals have replaced the bone in the actual shape of the bone.

00:17:53.000 I tried to explain that to a friend of mine who had a megalodon tooth.

00:17:57.000 You know, he's saying, this is a Megalodon tooth.

00:17:58.000 And I said, well, it's a fossil of a Megalodon tooth.

00:18:02.000 I go, it's not really the tooth anymore.

00:18:04.000 None of the tooth remains.

00:18:05.000 It's just the shape of the tooth.

00:18:06.000 He's like, no, I bought it.

00:18:07.000 It's a Megalodon tooth.

00:18:08.000 I'm like, but you notice how it's black?

00:18:11.000 Like, they don't have black teeth.

00:18:13.000 Yeah.

00:18:14.000 See, that's one side of it.

00:18:16.000 And then the other side of it, you can see it like that. 1.00

00:18:18.000 It's got like a punk rock hairdo and shit and crazy face. 0.99

00:18:22.000 It's pretty dope. 0.99

00:18:22.000 I've actually used the opposite photo in a talk, because it looks like they're humping. 0.99

00:18:29.000 Yeah, it does, right?

00:18:30.000 From one angle.

00:18:33.000 Yep, there it is.

00:18:35.000 I've used that. 0.98

00:18:36.000 I have a talk called, That's Not a Fucking Dinosaur. 1.00

00:18:40.000 And I open up with images of dinosaurs fucking. 1.00

00:18:44.000 Just because you have to do that. 1.00

00:18:46.000 Just to be fun?

00:18:46.000 Just to be fun.

00:18:47.000 Yeah, that is a cool one with all the long hair.

00:18:50.000 It kind of looks like the 70s dinosaur.

00:18:53.000 It used to be a roadie for Van Halen in the 80s and that kind of thing.

00:18:57.000 It's the Skid Row dinosaur.

00:18:59.000 Well, it's a crazy looking shape when you see all those colors.

00:19:01.000 But again, it's just an artistic interpretation.

00:19:04.000 Right, right.

00:19:05.000 We don't know.

00:19:06.000 And that's the thing.

00:19:07.000 We get a lot of flack for that.

00:19:08.000 It's like, how do you know it looked like that?

00:19:10.000 We don't.

00:19:11.000 We know how the bones go together.

00:19:14.000 We know where the muscle points are.

00:19:16.000 So we can figure out the girth of the muscle, the connection points, and then you can kind of build out a leg.

00:19:23.000 And then we go to town.

00:19:25.000 It's like, hey, maybe they were pink.

00:19:27.000 T-Rexes could be pink. 0.99

00:19:28.000 They could fucking beard color. 0.99

00:19:30.000 We don't know. 1.00

00:19:31.000 No idea.

00:19:32.000 Yeah, a couple feathers and skin impressions and stuff like that we've found.

00:19:36.000 They may have countershading, like modern-day reptiles and mammals and all that.

00:19:41.000 They're darker on top, lighter on the bottom.

00:19:43.000 Sharks are a great example of that, because that's hard to see.

00:19:47.000 It breaks up the silhouette.

00:19:49.000 They had some sort of natural camouflage to blend in with their surroundings if they were an herbivore or to hide as an ambush predator.

00:19:58.000 They're animals.

00:19:59.000 We can still see analogs today.

00:20:03.000 But people want to see, like, how do we know that it looked like this?

00:20:09.000 How do we know that it walked like this?

00:20:11.000 Well, we don't know 100%, but we can make inferred guesses because we have a shit ton of bones to look at.

00:20:18.000 Is there any possibility whatsoever that one day we'll find an intact T-Rex frozen somewhere?

00:20:26.000 Probably not.

00:20:27.000 Probably not, right?

00:20:28.000 No.

00:20:29.000 It's too bad.

00:20:30.000 Because, I mean, it's a little different hitting a mammoth that was 30,000 years old, like I did in Siberia, and a 65.5 million year old, 20 foot long, like, walking death machine.

00:20:43.000 Little different.

00:20:44.000 And there wasn't a whole lot of ice, and not a whole lot of...

00:20:53.000 I think?

00:21:10.000 Likely, well, probably highly improbable.

00:21:14.000 However, there's a possibility we could find something like a mummified one, like maybe the skin had enough iron content in it and the soil to preserve the soft tissue of the skin and mineralize the skin instead of it desiccating.

00:21:30.000 Maybe there was that one-in-a-billion chance that it fell in the right spot and got covered super quick before desiccating into bone.

00:21:39.000 And everything mineralized.

00:21:41.000 Now, when they go on an expedition, say if you're going to Montana, and you're looking at the Great Western Inland Sea and those areas, and you're trying to find some sort of a fossil, how do you pick where you start digging?

00:21:58.000 We do prospecting.

00:22:00.000 So we know worldwide there's this tiny layer of iridium.

00:22:04.000 It's the Alvarez layer, where the iridium was deposited on the planet when the Chicxulub impactor, that seven-mile asteroid, hit the Yucatan Peninsula, blew everything up, killed everything in conjunction with volcanism and all that.

00:22:20.000 But...

00:22:21.000 First we look at that because we know that's 65.5, 65.6 million years ago.

00:22:29.000 So we go below that.

00:22:31.000 We look in places we've already found stuff.

00:22:34.000 We go to quarries and previous dig sites and previous locations that we found fossils.

00:22:41.000 And we set up camp and we just start spreading out.

00:22:44.000 And you walk and look down.

00:22:46.000 Sometimes for days and you don't find anything.

00:22:48.000 Then all of a sudden you find this tiny little scrap of something.

00:22:52.000 Pick it up.

00:22:52.000 You lick it.

00:22:53.000 If it sticks to your tongue, it's likely a fossil.

00:22:55.000 And then you start looking for more of it.

00:22:56.000 You lick it?

00:22:57.000 Yeah.

00:22:57.000 All the sophisticated equipment.

00:22:59.000 And we lick it. 1.00

00:23:00.000 Radio, spectrum, telescopes, and fucking things that go through the earth. 1.00

00:23:06.000 We lick it. 1.00

00:23:06.000 You lick it. 1.00

00:23:07.000 Yeah, because the best way to find fossils is from shit eroding from the surface. 1.00

00:23:11.000 It's the best way. 0.97

00:23:13.000 And we find a bone, and we're like, okay, it sticks to the tongue, it's a fossil. 0.85

00:23:17.000 Then let's look upslope, and we find a bone scatterer, and then we kind of sweep away from some dirt, and like, oh, holy shit, there's a broken bone. 0.90

00:23:24.000 And then we work our way out. 0.84

00:23:25.000 Sometimes it's just...

00:23:26.000 What's left of a single element of an animal that has eroded and fallen down the cliff.

00:23:32.000 And other times, you could be on the top of Horse Mountain, sweeping something away, and you run into a brand new, uh, frilled dinosaur.

00:23:40.000 That you never heard of before?

00:23:42.000 Never, yeah.

00:23:42.000 It's like, never seen.

00:23:44.000 Utah Ceratops gettii, named after a friend of mine, Mike Getty.

00:23:47.000 Uh, he's the one that discovered it.

00:23:49.000 Wow.

00:23:50.000 Yeah.

00:23:50.000 Now, how many people are out there doing this?

00:23:52.000 A lot.

00:23:54.000 Um, during, uh...

00:23:57.000 During the dig season, which is generally late spring to very very early fall, You've got, let's see, the Royal Ontario Museum had a dig out in Alberta with the Cleveland Museum.

00:24:11.000 My friend Lee Hall did that.

00:24:13.000 You've got natural history museums going out to Montana or Utah, Natural Trap Cave.

00:24:18.000 There's stuff going on in Mexico.

00:24:20.000 So there's like a big community that goes out and finds stuff.

00:24:26.000 I've gone on expeditions here and there.

00:24:29.000 The crazy thing is we tend to always go back to the same places.

00:24:34.000 Very rarely it's, I'm gonna just wander Colorado and find a dinosaur.

00:24:40.000 I think we need to start doing that, though.

00:24:43.000 I think we need to start branching out.

00:24:45.000 We need to get more people interested in paleo.

00:24:47.000 We have to recover the paleo job market because it kind of sucks right now.

00:24:51.000 Paleo's been taken over by food.

00:24:53.000 Oh, don't even get me started on that.

00:24:57.000 Please, please, if anyone's on the paleo diet, please stop calling it the paleo diet because it's not.

00:25:03.000 It would be the anthro diet or call it the caveman diet.

00:25:07.000 Regardless, no.

00:25:09.000 Well, people in the Paleolithic people, they ate grains.

00:25:12.000 Absolutely, they ate grains. 1.00

00:25:16.000 Cut out processed shit, sure. 1.00

00:25:20.000 It's the wrong name for it. 1.00

00:25:21.000 Yeah, it's absolutely the wrong name for it.

00:25:23.000 Sorry, tangent. 0.99

00:25:25.000 I fucking hate that. 0.99

00:25:25.000 No worries, but when you say paleo, that's what people immediately think. 0.99

00:25:30.000 Paleontology.

00:25:30.000 I do CrossFit.

00:25:32.000 So anytime I mention paleo on Twitter, immediately like five paleo diet bots, like, favorite, retweet, I'm like, Paleo diet bots?

00:25:41.000 There's paleo diet bots?

00:25:43.000 Yeah, that they look for the word paleo and automatically like it and retweet it. 0.98

00:25:47.000 What the fuck's the benefit in that? 0.98

00:25:48.000 So everybody that follows those can see everybody talking about paleo, man. 0.99

00:25:53.000 So the entire paleontology science communication field on Twitter, whenever we do paleo, it blows apart.

00:26:01.000 That's why a lot of them are using the English spelling now with an extra A. Where's the A go?

00:26:07.000 After the L. Really? 0.80

00:26:10.000 Yeah.

00:26:10.000 So it's P-A-L-A-E-O. Oh.

00:26:14.000 That's like tires.

00:26:15.000 T-Y-R-E-S. You know how they use that?

00:26:17.000 Yeah.

00:26:17.000 Or aluminium.

00:26:18.000 Yeah.

00:26:19.000 Aluminium's a weird.

00:26:20.000 A collure with a U. Collure.

00:26:23.000 Theatree.

00:26:23.000 Yeah.

00:26:24.000 Theatree.

00:26:25.000 Theatree is what people use.

00:26:27.000 They use that for fancy places.

00:26:28.000 When I perform in theaters, I always have to check to see if it's E-R or R-E. Theatree.

00:26:35.000 Theatree.

00:26:37.000 That's weird though.

00:26:38.000 You guys gave in to the paleo people. 1.00

00:26:40.000 I think that paleo shit's dying. 1.00

00:26:42.000 I think you can just ride it out. 1.00

00:26:44.000 I think it's been replaced with gluten-free.

00:26:47.000 Well, Mark Sisson has a better name for it.

00:26:50.000 He calls it the primal blueprint.

00:26:51.000 He calls it a primal diet.

00:26:54.000 Okay, I can see that.

00:26:55.000 Yeah, the paleolithic connection to no grains doesn't jive.

00:27:01.000 Right, because when humans...

00:27:06.000 Started staying still.

00:27:07.000 It was because of agriculture, because they found things like wheat and barley and rye and simple grasses and all that they eat, and went, hey, if we take this with us, we can plant it.

00:27:19.000 Yeah, or if we stay put, it seems to be growing here.

00:27:21.000 Exactly.

00:27:22.000 And it's like, oh, well, if we mix the water over there and the dirt over here with these plants, look, the plants spread out.

00:27:30.000 It's just one of those things.

00:27:33.000 It's like, yeah, they ate grains.

00:27:35.000 Yes, they ate meat.

00:27:36.000 It's like, okay, I'm a big dude.

00:27:38.000 I drink a lot of beer.

00:27:40.000 But...

00:27:41.000 I have a fairly moderate diet.

00:27:43.000 I don't overdo it.

00:27:45.000 I'm not snacking on McDonald's and Carl's Jr. and eating ice cream all the time or anything like that.

00:27:50.000 You do it in moderation.

00:27:52.000 And that's what they did.

00:27:54.000 They had a different lifestyle.

00:27:56.000 Maybe they could call it the...

00:27:59.000 Paleolithic lifestyle diet or the primal lifestyle?

00:28:02.000 Because think of the lifestyle.

00:28:04.000 Good luck trying to replicate that.

00:28:07.000 It's like, fine.

00:28:08.000 Go out to the Sonora Desert and do your deal out there because if you're really going to do this diet, don't use a car, don't use a computer, don't use it.

00:28:18.000 Oh, it has to be your whole life?

00:28:19.000 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

00:28:21.000 Why? 1.00

00:28:21.000 Just fuck it. 1.00

00:28:22.000 Can't you just do the diet? 1.00

00:28:23.000 No.

00:28:24.000 Really?

00:28:24.000 Go for it.

00:28:25.000 That seems like a lot of work.

00:28:26.000 Hey, that one guy did it, the Year of Living Biblically? 1.00

00:28:30.000 I didn't see that.

00:28:31.000 There was a book that came out.

00:28:32.000 God, what was that guy's name?

00:28:34.000 I don't remember.

00:28:35.000 My ex-girlfriend had the book on her shelf, and I always wanted to read it, and I never got to.

00:28:41.000 Guy lived according to biblical laws.

00:28:47.000 Like, did not wear clothes.

00:28:48.000 Old Testament?

00:28:49.000 Yeah.

00:28:49.000 So no two cloths?

00:28:51.000 Yeah, no two cloths.

00:28:52.000 Like, couldn't eat locusts and, you know.

00:28:54.000 Aw, poor guy.

00:28:55.000 I know.

00:28:56.000 Because Oaxacan food is great, man.

00:28:58.000 Wohacan food?

00:28:59.000 Yeah, Wohacan food.

00:29:00.000 They do crickets and grasshoppers.

00:29:01.000 What's Wohacan?

00:29:02.000 It's a region down in Mexico.

00:29:04.000 Mole.

00:29:04.000 Mole is Wohacan.

00:29:06.000 Well, I've had crickets down in Mexico.

00:29:09.000 We stayed at this hotel and they gave us a bowl of fried crickets.

00:29:13.000 It was in the hotel when you got there, like a nice little snack and some fruit.

00:29:17.000 Yeah, they're kind of nutty.

00:29:18.000 Yeah, it doesn't taste bad at all.

00:29:19.000 No.

00:29:20.000 I served them for a potluck at the Page Museum when I used to work there.

00:29:26.000 Were they a hit?

00:29:27.000 People were weirded out, but they ate them.

00:29:29.000 I did lime chili crickets and a reindeer chili for a Christmas potluck.

00:29:35.000 That sounds good.

00:29:36.000 Oh, it was great.

00:29:37.000 By the way, nice elk cooking.

00:29:39.000 Thank you.

00:29:39.000 I need to come over and like...

00:29:40.000 I got some elk for you.

00:29:41.000 You want some? 1.00

00:29:42.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:29:42.000 I got some in the freezer back there. 1.00

00:29:44.000 I'll give you some before you leave.

00:29:45.000 I'm totally down for elk.

00:29:46.000 All right.

00:29:47.000 Because the idea of that is just...

00:29:49.000 I love venison.

00:29:49.000 I love elk.

00:29:50.000 I do game cooking as well.

00:29:51.000 I don't go hunt it.

00:29:53.000 Cool.

00:29:53.000 It's delicious.

00:29:54.000 Yeah.

00:29:54.000 It's really cool.

00:29:55.000 The best stuff for you, too.

00:29:56.000 Now, this whole paleo thing, the paleo movement, put that aside.

00:30:04.000 Paleontology, just the word paleontology, it's kind of misunderstood by a lot of people.

00:30:09.000 Yeah.

00:30:10.000 And I think that...

00:30:11.000 The study of the past, of trying to piece together all these bones and slowly but surely put together a puzzle of what life was like before people came around, it's really important, isn't it?

00:30:26.000 I mean, isn't it kind of an overlooked and underappreciated aspect of science?

00:30:31.000 Absolutely.

00:30:32.000 Paleontology, the study of ancient life, that's our deal.

00:30:35.000 We want to see how we got here, like pre-humans. 1.00

00:30:40.000 We want to see what life was like going all the way back to the dawn of time, the beginning of the earth.

00:30:46.000 Because it gives us an idea of how things change on this planet and how things evolve on it.

00:30:53.000 The keys to the past are needed in order to open the doors of the future, I used to say.

00:30:59.000 If we know how animals acted, the predator-prey relationships, different ways that these animals were evolving and living on the planet and how the planet changed because of that, because paleontology also deals with paleoclimate, paleobotany, so like old plants,

00:31:15.000 old climates, geology, all of that.

00:31:17.000 We're looking into the past of this earth.

00:31:20.000 When we're digging in the Ordovician period or the Cambrian, we're looking back, we're opening a time capsule 500 million, like half a billion years.

00:31:32.000 That's rad. 0.98

00:31:33.000 It's pretty fucking crazy. 0.75

00:31:34.000 Yeah. 0.90

00:31:35.000 It's hard to, like, if you don't do it, if you're not into, like, astrophysics, paleontology, geology, and stuff like that, it's hard to get a grasp on what timescale we're talking about.

00:31:46.000 We as humans are an eye blink in the geological record of the planet.

00:31:51.000 Four and a half billion years old.

00:31:54.000 If you were to stretch that all out, the entire history of the Earth on an 88-foot measurement, we would be the thickness of a piece of paper at the very end.

00:32:04.000 All of human history, 200,000 years of evolution, from walking upright and planting shit and domesticating animals, all the way to ISS, you know, in orbit.

00:32:16.000 All of that, piece of paper at the end of an 88-foot-long ribbon.

00:32:21.000 It's crazy to think about how much went on before us.

00:32:26.000 That's what's so cool about paleontology. 0.98

00:32:28.000 It seems like the scale is, for our dumb little brains, it's really difficult to reference it. 0.98

00:32:35.000 It's really difficult to put it into perspective. 0.99

00:32:39.000 To think of something 65 million years ago.

00:32:41.000 You're like, oh, well, that was a long time ago.

00:32:43.000 Well, it was so long ago that people used to be moles. 1.00

00:32:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:48.000 Like, here's some weird mole thing, right?

00:32:51.000 Here's another one.

00:32:52.000 We are actually closer to Tyrannosaurus Rex in time than Tyrannosaurus Rex is to Stegosaurus.

00:32:59.000 Jesus Christ.

00:33:01.000 Yeah, that'll mess with your head.

00:33:03.000 Somebody told me that we are closer in time, that Cleopatra is closer in time to the iPhone than she is to the building of the pyramids.

00:33:13.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

00:33:14.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:33:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:16.000 Fuck! 1.00

00:33:17.000 And this'll weird you out, too. 1.00

00:33:19.000 While the pyramids were being built, woolly mammoths still existed on Wrangell Island.

00:33:24.000 Whoa.

00:33:24.000 Yeah.

00:33:25.000 Oh, that's right.

00:33:25.000 There was one place where they were still alive.

00:33:27.000 Around 4,000 BC. What killed them on that one island?

00:33:31.000 Either overhunting or dramatic climate change, because glaciers were receding, and they could have out-competed themselves.

00:33:40.000 And if they didn't have a stable enough population for genetics...

00:33:44.000 You'll breed yourselves out of existence. 0.78

00:33:46.000 Is there a possibility there's any species that we thought were extinct that are still kicking around like in the Congo or something like that?

00:33:52.000 Like paleo species like that?

00:33:54.000 Well, I mean anything like along those lines.

00:33:56.000 Something from, you know, 10,000 plus years ago that we thought was extinct.

00:34:00.000 Yeah, the rattlesnakes here in San Fernando Valley.

00:34:03.000 Same rattlesnakes. 0.99

00:34:05.000 Shit, what's the species name? 1.00

00:34:07.000 They were hanging around the tar pits with saber-toothed cats and all that. 0.99

00:34:10.000 Animals alive today were hanging out back then.

00:34:13.000 Right.

00:34:14.000 One of the most common animals we found at the pits were bobcats and mountain lions. 1.00

00:34:19.000 No shit. 1.00

00:34:20.000 Coyotes. 1.00

00:34:21.000 Rattlesnakes, horned lizards, birds that are still kicking around today.

00:34:26.000 There are species that survived the Ice Age because...

00:34:30.000 As the glaciers receded, and as the climate changed, and as the predator-prairie relationships changed, it's harder for a saber-toothed cat to go after a horse or a rabbit or anything like that.

00:34:45.000 The smaller animals that were able to out-compete them It's lived on.

00:34:50.000 It's natural selection in a heartbeat.

00:34:52.000 You evolved, you know, the animals adapt to the surroundings that leads to evolutionary patterns, which leads to a species either dying if they're fit too much of a niche, or continuing if they're more broad or more focused on the environment that they're adapting to.

00:35:08.000 Look at the panda.

00:35:10.000 If we didn't intervene, pandas would be gone.

00:35:14.000 They eat a nutrient-poor diet.

00:35:16.000 All they eat is bamboo.

00:35:17.000 They eat such a nutrient-poor diet that their young, when they birth, their young has to crawl up and start nursing.

00:35:25.000 They do basically nothing.

00:35:28.000 They're very low-rent, low-energy animals.

00:35:31.000 They would have died out.

00:35:33.000 But we got involved. 1.00

00:35:35.000 Should we get involved in that, or should we just let them fucking die off, stupid pandas? 1.00

00:35:41.000 Figure it out, bitch. 1.00

00:35:42.000 I mean, isn't that natural selection? 1.00

00:35:43.000 Why do we think we're so cute that we need to step in and...

00:35:46.000 Because we've stepped out of natural selection.

00:35:49.000 We can now...

00:35:50.000 We have.

00:35:51.000 Yeah, humans have.

00:35:52.000 Once we started agriculture, we removed ourselves.

00:35:55.000 Once we started building buildings, we removed ourselves.

00:35:58.000 Hence the flat earth people.

00:36:00.000 They didn't die off.

00:36:01.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:36:03.000 Exactly.

00:36:04.000 We're living longer, and we're rapidly approaching idiocracy, man.

00:36:08.000 In a way, we're already there, right? 1.00

00:36:10.000 With Donald Trump running for president, and all the people that are fucking cheering behind him. 0.99

00:36:15.000 And even the Hillary Clinton people. 1.00

00:36:17.000 Some of them are crazy, too, because they're just denying all the crazy shit that she's been involved with. 1.00

00:36:21.000 All four of them, all five of them, including Macmillan, are just, what the fuck, man? 1.00

00:36:27.000 I'm voting Cthulhu. 1.00

00:36:28.000 I want him to rise up and consume the world utterly.

00:36:31.000 Screw it.

00:36:31.000 Cthulhu for America.

00:36:32.000 Speaking of Cthulhu, did you ever see, you know, there's always been those rumors or stories of the Kraken, the legends of the Kraken, of gigantic octopus.

00:36:43.000 Did you ever see those fossils that they found of enormous suction cups that they believed might have been a huge octopus type creature?

00:36:50.000 No, I've never seen that.

00:36:51.000 Yeah, man.

00:36:51.000 I wanted to bring that up to you because this is something that's absolutely fascinated me because I know that they don't have any hard tissue other than their beaks.

00:37:00.000 Their whole body is, you know, they're a mollusk. 0.94

00:37:03.000 They're this big, fleshy thing.

00:37:05.000 With the exception of cuttlefish and ammonites that had a shell or had an internal shell, that's it.

00:37:11.000 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:37:12.000 So they have the beak and that's it.

00:37:14.000 Well, they found these huge suction cups that were fossilized.

00:37:19.000 The image of these suction cups.

00:37:21.000 See if you can find that, Jamie.

00:37:22.000 I know we've talked about it before.

00:37:24.000 See these things.

00:37:25.000 Whoa! 0.99

00:37:25.000 See, they think that these are enormous suction cups from some fucking huge sea monster. 0.99

00:37:34.000 I thought the caption on the image said something about ichthyosaur vertebra. 0.91

00:37:39.000 Let's see here.

00:37:40.000 What? 1.00

00:37:43.000 The fuck? 1.00

00:37:46.000 Well, yeah, cephalopods can do that. 1.00

00:37:48.000 They like to, because they're intelligent, they like to kind of fiddle around.

00:37:54.000 Whoa.

00:37:55.000 Yeah.

00:37:56.000 Isn't that crazy? 1.00

00:37:59.000 Crap, what's his name? 0.99

00:38:00.000 Tony Martin, technologist on Twitter. 0.98

00:38:04.000 He specializes in trace fossils, like footprints, and what would it look like if a dinosaur threw up and leave that kind of pattern and all that.

00:38:13.000 Oh, wow.

00:38:14.000 I'll get you a copy of his book. 0.99

00:38:15.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.99

00:38:17.000 He would have a field day with that. 0.99

00:38:19.000 I would like to know his opinion on that.

00:38:20.000 I have to ask him. 0.99

00:38:22.000 Yeah, it's obviously controversial, but we do know that there are some fucking huge squids. 0.99

00:38:29.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

00:38:30.000 They're finding more and more every day.

00:38:32.000 Yeah, the colossal squid and all that.

00:38:35.000 I was in London.

00:38:36.000 Do you remember?

00:38:37.000 Just a few decades ago, that was just a rumor.

00:38:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:38:40.000 Yeah, because we would find scars on sperm whale carcasses and stuff like that. 0.99

00:38:44.000 I was like, holy fuck. 1.00

00:38:45.000 What the fuck is that? 1.00

00:38:46.000 And that's the thing. 1.00

00:38:50.000 Human nature, all of us, especially, you know, you play the telephone game, like you tell a story and then somebody else tells that same, I heard it, blah, blah, blah.

00:38:59.000 And then all of a sudden, you know, that was the bass you picked up and then that was the swordfish you got on the same trip.

00:39:06.000 Yeah.

00:39:07.000 What if, what if like these, you know, ancient mariners were pulling up Humboldt squid or like six feet long and dangerous as hell and What if that suddenly got larger and larger?

00:39:22.000 But maybe they also dredged up a colossal squid or a giant squid and things like that as well.

00:39:28.000 And that birthed the Kraken idea.

00:39:30.000 Well, because humans like to see patterns in things.

00:39:35.000 It's just what we do.

00:39:37.000 Mammoths, mammoth and elephant remains that were found near Greece, they thought were the Cyclops.

00:39:44.000 Oh, right, because of the head.

00:39:46.000 Yeah, so the ears that would be on the sides, or the eye sockets on the sides, they thought were the ears, and the nasal opening for the trunk, they thought was the central eye.

00:39:59.000 Because they have big, stubby hands, huge, recognizable things like femurs and ulnas and radii and fibulas and all that. 0.76

00:40:08.000 Holy crap, it must be this giant, this 14-foot giant with a single eye. 0.97

00:40:12.000 The Cyclops was born. 0.99

00:40:13.000 Oh, that's interesting.

00:40:15.000 Yeah.

00:40:15.000 So we have an ability to take things and just run with it.

00:40:22.000 But it is rad that, yeah, way back when, like in 85, I was 10. And...

00:40:30.000 Yeah, thinking of like giant squids.

00:40:32.000 I always like 10,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

00:40:35.000 That was my favorite ride at Disneyland before they did the Finding Nemo thing.

00:40:39.000 And that's just awesome.

00:40:41.000 Because, yeah, what if there are sea monsters?

00:40:44.000 And then you start learning about plesiosaurs, and like Chloridon, and mosasaurs, and ichthyosaurs, and all this. 0.98

00:40:49.000 And you're like, fuck, there are actually sea monsters. 0.94

00:40:53.000 And then today, you've got sperm whales, blue whales, the largest animal on the planet. 0.99

00:40:58.000 Basically, Krakens with giant squids. 0.99

00:41:01.000 That's just cool shit, man. 1.00

00:41:03.000 It is. 0.99

00:41:04.000 I mean...

00:41:05.000 And they think there used to be giant octopus, too.

00:41:07.000 Yeah.

00:41:07.000 The real theory is that at one point in time, there was a hundred-foot octopus.

00:41:11.000 And that this hundred-foot octopus probably jacked a couple of boats.

00:41:15.000 Maybe.

00:41:16.000 Why not? 1.00

00:41:16.000 Why would they give a fuck? 1.00

00:41:17.000 We've only discovered, what, 5% of the ocean? 0.99

00:41:22.000 That's it.

00:41:23.000 We know more about the surface of Mars than we do our own deep sea.

00:41:27.000 That is so incredible.

00:41:28.000 It's like we've mapped a lot of the undersea surface.

00:41:33.000 James Cameron has gone down into Challenger Deep and all that cool stuff.

00:41:36.000 How freaky that guy is, huh? 1.00

00:41:36.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:41:37.000 What a freak. 1.00

00:41:38.000 By himself. 0.86

00:41:40.000 Yeah, but hey, he's got the money.

00:41:42.000 If I had that kind of money, it's like if I did Titanic and Avatar and all that, yeah, I would make my own little bathysphere and go down to the absolute bottom of the earth. 0.98

00:41:50.000 But how many fucking people do that? 0.96

00:41:52.000 I mean, how many super billionaires? 0.99

00:41:53.000 I think he's only the fifth person to ever do that.

00:41:56.000 I think the first two people did it in Bathysphere 1, and I think two other people did it after that.

00:42:02.000 If it goes bad, it goes so bad.

00:42:04.000 Oh, very, very bad. 1.00

00:42:07.000 Just the amount of pressure you must be dealing with at the bottom of the fucking ocean. 0.99

00:42:12.000 How many miles deep is he? 1.00

00:42:13.000 I don't know.

00:42:14.000 It's something like 38,000 feet, I think.

00:42:16.000 I don't know.

00:42:18.000 So he's in the neighborhood of six miles?

00:42:21.000 35,000.

00:42:22.000 35,000 feet.

00:42:25.000 That's so crazy.

00:42:27.000 Oh, my God.

00:42:29.000 The deepest part of the Mariana Trench.

00:42:32.000 That is so insane. 1.00

00:42:34.000 What the fuck is he doing? 1.00

00:42:37.000 I... So I just got back from Toronto. 1.00

00:42:40.000 We're going to be at a cruising altitude of 36,000 feet.

00:42:43.000 That's just shy.

00:42:44.000 Yeah.

00:42:45.000 So if I was over a plane when he was...

00:42:48.000 So if you took a flight over the Pacific while he was in that water...

00:42:52.000 He's 65,000 feet below you.

00:42:54.000 Yeah.

00:42:55.000 Look at him down there. 0.73

00:42:55.000 What a freak. 0.73

00:42:56.000 That's how far he's doing to get away from his wife. 0.96

00:42:59.000 That's what he's doing.

00:43:00.000 He's out there looking for monsters.

00:43:02.000 Imagine if he did see something. 0.98

00:43:03.000 There's a really fucking fascinating video of these guys. 0.92

00:43:07.000 They are in some sort of a vessel, some sort of a submarine, and a whale comes up right next to it and checks it out real quick, and they start freaking out. 0.95

00:43:19.000 It's like, whoa!

00:43:20.000 A two-person submersible.

00:43:23.000 To go that deep how the whole thing is those have to be small and very very thick in order to prevent You know explosion.

00:43:31.000 Yeah It's like hey crush a beer can that's what happens and everything squirts out the amount of pressure 35,000 feet below the water that must be insane.

00:43:41.000 Yeah It's what one atmosphere per Here it is check this out.

00:43:47.000 So these guys they're in this thing.

00:43:49.000 They're tooling around and Having a good time. 0.99

00:43:54.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:43:56.000 Is that a right whale? 0.99

00:43:57.000 What is it?

00:43:59.000 I don't know, man.

00:44:01.000 But the whale comes closer, too.

00:44:03.000 The whale's right there with them.

00:44:05.000 And then it actually...

00:44:07.000 You can see it, like, in this.

00:44:08.000 It gets, like, right up to them. 1.00

00:44:12.000 Fuck, that's amazing. 1.00

00:44:13.000 That looks like a humpback or, like, a right whale or something. 1.00

00:44:16.000 It's got, like, the kind of barnacly...

00:44:18.000 It's a baleen of some sort, but...

00:44:19.000 What a giant animal.

00:44:23.000 Dude, I've seen them, like, whale watching, like, off of San Pedro and Channel Islands and stuff.

00:44:30.000 That would be spooky.

00:44:31.000 Yeah, to be right there.

00:44:32.000 I've seen them too.

00:44:33.000 I've seen them off of Malibu.

00:44:35.000 Around this time of year, right?

00:44:36.000 Isn't it around November that they start?

00:44:38.000 I think the gray whales are coming.

00:44:40.000 Yeah, it's like November, January, March.

00:44:42.000 And then the blue whales are in the...

00:44:44.000 I think they're in spring, summer.

00:44:46.000 The ocean is such a trip.

00:44:47.000 Because we're right next to it here.

00:44:49.000 And people that live on the coast, like Santa Monica, their houses face the water.

00:44:53.000 I mean, they're facing an alien world.

00:44:55.000 And that's a whole world out there that's bigger than the world of dirt.

00:44:59.000 And it's just largely unexplored.

00:45:02.000 Yeah.

00:45:03.000 And it's really cool to think about.

00:45:05.000 And I used to be a diver.

00:45:06.000 I used to work at the Aquarium of the Pacific way back in the day.

00:45:09.000 And even that, just like diving off of Blue Cavern in Catalina or, you know, walking out into the surf at Leo Carrillo or something like that or doing La Jolla or the golf.

00:45:21.000 We are not built for that.

00:45:23.000 No.

00:45:24.000 And, like, I don't know how many of the millions of people that listen to your show have actually, like, not swam in a pool, but, like, put on gear in order to survive in an alien environment.

00:45:36.000 Because that's what it is.

00:45:38.000 Yeah.

00:45:38.000 Not just snorkeling.

00:45:39.000 Like, full-blown scuba gear can get pretty trippy when you're first learning how to do it.

00:45:46.000 Because you are entirely reliable on this equipment or you will die.

00:45:51.000 You might as well be in space.

00:45:52.000 I was just going to say that.

00:45:54.000 It's the same thing.

00:45:55.000 It's an alien world.

00:45:57.000 Yeah.

00:45:57.000 And the same thing happens.

00:45:59.000 You will suffocate or get crushed or anything like that if something goes wrong and you're at depth.

00:46:04.000 Or you'll pop, freeze, and explode.

00:46:06.000 And all the liquid will boil off your body and out of it in space. 1.00

00:46:10.000 It's just horrible shit. 0.99

00:46:13.000 And we want to go to Mars. 1.00

00:46:15.000 They're out of their fucking mind. 1.00

00:46:17.000 I've been mocking them on stage. 1.00

00:46:20.000 People that want to go to Mars.

00:46:22.000 There's no reason for that.

00:46:24.000 I mean, if Tony Stark, aka Elon Musk, can do it, he's gonna do it.

00:46:30.000 You think he can do it?

00:46:31.000 I think he can do it.

00:46:32.000 Okay, when we were kids, how fucking cool was it to see rockets land vertically in shows and Flash Gordon and stuff like that?

00:46:42.000 He just did it. 0.51

00:46:43.000 Yeah, he just did it.

00:46:44.000 It was a sub-orderable satellite launch with a cargo ship to the ISS or putting a satellite in orbit and then lands vertically a reusable space frame.

00:47:00.000 That blows my mind.

00:47:02.000 And even beyond that is when the Curiosity rover landed on Mars.

00:47:07.000 It flew in.

00:47:10.000 Did parachute aero-breaking, jettisoned everything, and then it was lowered on a fucking crane from a flying sky crane thing, and then touched down and then disconnected and flew off. 0.74

00:47:27.000 A nuclear-powered rover was descended to another planet on a sky crane that was hovering with rockets. 0.89

00:47:35.000 This is sci-fi come to life. 0.98

00:47:38.000 It's fucking rad. 0.98

00:47:40.000 It's pretty crazy. 0.94

00:47:41.000 I mean, we live in the future. 0.80

00:47:42.000 We've got fucking all of the world's information, like, well, if you have an Apple Watch, on your wrist. 0.91

00:47:49.000 It's getting kind of weird, man. 0.97

00:47:51.000 It's very weird.

00:47:52.000 And all that is only created by people who don't get laid regularly.

00:47:56.000 That's the only way it happens.

00:47:58.000 If you get a lot of sex, like Dan Bilzerian, he's not inventing any rockets anytime soon.

00:48:04.000 You have to have massive dedication to your task at hand.

00:48:10.000 Until the moment where it does land, it's probably really monotonous.

00:48:15.000 Yeah, I can see that.

00:48:16.000 Check and recheck.

00:48:18.000 Tesla was celibate.

00:48:20.000 He never...

00:48:21.000 He was crazy. 0.99

00:48:22.000 Oh no, he was batshit insane. 1.00

00:48:22.000 They think that he destroyed his sexuality. 1.00

00:48:25.000 That was one of the things that he reported on.

00:48:27.000 He fell in love with some woman.

00:48:29.000 Now what does that mean by destroyed his sexuality?

00:48:32.000 Whether he castrated himself or...

00:48:34.000 Who knows?

00:48:35.000 Or just mentally had a breakdown or...

00:48:38.000 Something like that.

00:48:38.000 But yeah, some of his own reports in his memoirs, he only slept four hours a day.

00:48:44.000 He worked straight through for 20. He took notes all the time.

00:48:48.000 Almost destroyed his lab with like an earthquake machine. 0.99

00:48:52.000 Weird shit like that. 1.00

00:48:53.000 But in the same aspect of him being completely batshit insane... 0.99

00:48:59.000 The reason why we're in the studio right now is because of AC power.

00:49:03.000 That was his deal.

00:49:04.000 Well, he had so many different just groundbreaking discoveries and innovations and his initial idea to broadcast electricity wireless through the air like radio signals that we could all tune into.

00:49:21.000 Like, Westinghouse was like, what?

00:49:24.000 No. 1.00

00:49:24.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:49:25.000 You want to build a tower how high in New York to do what? 1.00

00:49:29.000 Well, he wanted to do it for free.

00:49:30.000 He wanted electricity to be free the same way radio is free.

00:49:33.000 Yeah.

00:49:34.000 Yeah, he was a trippy guy.

00:49:37.000 And funny enough, a lot of the flat-earth jackasses embrace him as, like...

00:49:42.000 The whole thing, and he wanted free energy and all that. 0.98

00:49:44.000 I'm like, yeah, by the way, all of his illustrations about, like, Wardenclyffe Tower and, you know, wireless energy and all that took place on a fucking globe. 0.92

00:49:54.000 It did, allegedly. 0.95

00:49:56.000 Allegedly.

00:49:56.000 An alleged globe, I'm sorry.

00:49:58.000 I would love to play you the dinosaurs are not real video.

00:50:01.000 Do it.

00:50:01.000 Just do it.

00:50:02.000 Oh, God.

00:50:02.000 We probably can't play it on YouTube where we'll get pulled, but we can play the audio, right?

00:50:09.000 Play the audio. 0.98

00:50:10.000 We'll put the video up on the screen and play the audio for you, and you could just fucking... 0.99

00:50:13.000 Your head could turn beet red. 0.99

00:50:15.000 Smoke's gonna come out of your ears.

00:50:17.000 Because the thing is about these videos, and this is the issue that I have with not just videos, but also with blogs.

00:50:25.000 People...

00:50:26.000 You're writing things, and you're not being checked as you're going along.

00:50:31.000 So it's just you broadcasting an idea.

00:50:34.000 It's not a conversation.

00:50:35.000 And because of that...

00:50:36.000 You can give off the illusion of expertise without being checked.

00:50:40.000 Here it goes.

00:50:40.000 Dinosaurs never existed.

00:50:42.000 Oh my god, Eric Dubé?

00:50:44.000 This is the flat earth guy.

00:50:45.000 Yeah, the guy that does 200 proofs the earth is flat. 0.99

00:50:48.000 That everybody has debunked fucking... 1.00

00:50:52.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:50:53.000 No, no, no. 0.99

00:50:54.000 Shills have debunked it.

00:50:56.000 Shills are...

00:50:56.000 Listen to this guy.

00:50:59.000 Don't you dare mention Owen's name, you asshole. 1.00

00:51:23.000 Wrong. 1.00

00:51:24.000 Pause.

00:51:25.000 Pause.

00:51:26.000 Pause.

00:51:26.000 Every time pause.

00:51:28.000 Dinosaurs.

00:51:30.000 We discovered marine reptiles and the first dinosaurs about a century before that. 0.96

00:51:36.000 So that right there, Eric, you're fucking wrong. 0.90

00:51:40.000 Whoops. 1.00

00:51:41.000 It's like, don't bring your flat earth bullshit into my profession. 1.00

00:51:45.000 Now I'm pissed. 1.00

00:51:46.000 Keep going.

00:51:47.000 Yeah, keep this rolling. 0.99

00:52:24.000 So, that's because we can do things like look at modern analogs and see how teeth are fucking made. 0.97

00:52:32.000 We know if it's a predator or if it's prey. 0.98

00:52:35.000 We know if it's an herbivore or a carnivore. 1.00

00:52:38.000 We know how teeth are fucking built. 0.96

00:52:40.000 Even back then, even when they're doing naturalistic drawings like this, it's like the megalodon tooth on my arm. 0.99

00:52:48.000 It is a predator.

00:52:49.000 It's obviously a serrated tooth.

00:52:50.000 Is it megalodon or megalodon?

00:52:51.000 How do you say it?

00:52:53.000 Your emphasis can be on a different syllable.

00:52:56.000 It's both.

00:52:57.000 It's not like nuclear and nuclear?

00:52:59.000 No, no, because it doesn't have two U's.

00:53:04.000 But it's spelled the same, but it's like dimetrodon or dimetrodon.

00:53:09.000 It's the same thing, megalodon or megalodon.

00:53:12.000 Oh, God.

00:53:13.000 Keep going.

00:53:14.000 Yeah, keep doing this.

00:53:15.000 What is it, 20 minutes? 1.00

00:53:29.000 Fuck you! 1.00

00:53:47.000 I'm glad I brought a lot of beer. 1.00

00:53:59.000 Okay.

00:54:01.000 Okay, yeah. 0.96

00:54:02.000 The reason why we didn't know about things beforehand, because we weren't doing shit like wholesale intellectual studies of science when people were building fucking pyramids and stuff like that. 0.78

00:54:14.000 That's why we have different ages. 0.70

00:54:16.000 And throughout anthropological records, we have the broad age and iron age and all that, because we have to do things like figure out the land around us.

00:54:25.000 And when we start finding really old bones, like, Hey, this looks like a really big chicken bone. 0.99

00:54:30.000 What the fuck? 0.98

00:54:31.000 Or this looks like a huge human with a single eye. 1.00

00:54:34.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:54:35.000 We start looking at stuff like that, saying just wholesale fucking bullshit like that. 1.00

00:54:42.000 Goddamn. 1.00

00:54:43.000 But that's what a YouTube video is. 0.99

00:54:46.000 A YouTube conspiracy theory video is.

00:54:49.000 Oh, I know.

00:54:50.000 It's one person getting to spill their nonsense and they're unchecked.

00:54:55.000 This is why I wanted to play this for you.

00:54:57.000 And...

00:54:59.000 Response videos can be blocked by the original person.

00:55:02.000 They can curate all comments.

00:55:05.000 They can only allow certain ones through.

00:55:07.000 They can moderate everything.

00:55:08.000 Same with a blog.

00:55:09.000 Same with all of that.

00:55:10.000 They control their own criticism.

00:55:13.000 There's a guy right now that a lot of the paleo community is going after.

00:55:16.000 His name is David Peters. 1.00

00:55:17.000 He's a jackass. 1.00

00:55:20.000 Who's doing stupid things like all reptiles are mammals and all of these clades should be in this and just all this crap. 1.00

00:55:29.000 He wholesale copied an article from a colleague of mine, posted it, Which is a violation of copyright because he's attempting to supersede that work by importing his own ideas to it. 0.93

00:55:43.000 He will refuse any critical comments to be posted on his WordPress site.

00:55:49.000 That's really common though.

00:55:51.000 Yeah.

00:55:51.000 It's really common with people.

00:55:52.000 The war of ideas in the comments section, that's where it's being fought.

00:55:56.000 Yeah, it's because it's an echo chamber.

00:55:59.000 It's like people don't look as, why do people think the world is flat or why do people think dinosaurs don't exist?

00:56:05.000 Their Google Boolean search is, dinosaurs don't exist, or creationism is true, evolution is false, the earth is flat, chemtrails exist. 0.97

00:56:13.000 They're creating their own echo chamber and preaching to their own fucking choir. 0.72

00:56:18.000 Yeah, and then they have a message board and they go on that message board. 0.99

00:56:21.000 Massive confirmation bias.

00:56:22.000 Anybody that doesn't follow that line gets booted out.

00:56:27.000 Let's play more of this because it gets better. 0.99

00:56:41.000 Because they weren't digging in the fucking earth. 1.00

00:56:46.000 Because they were all dead. 1.00

00:56:52.000 There could have been you didn't know what it was.

00:56:54.000 That's the thing.

00:56:56.000 It's like the same thing with mammoth cyclops. 0.99

00:56:58.000 We didn't know what the fuck it was. 0.94

00:57:00.000 We didn't know it was a massive elephant species. 0.99

00:57:04.000 We thought it was a giant person.

00:57:06.000 Yeah.

00:57:06.000 When the first animals were discovered in the La Brea tar pits before 1913, they thought it was livestock that got trapped in there and died.

00:57:15.000 Then they realized, holy fuck, cows don't have nine inch long incisors that are perfectly evolved to slash open the throats of things. 1.00

00:57:25.000 And then you started questioning. 0.99

00:57:26.000 So the Native Americans and all the people, they were finding possibly scatters of bone and didn't know what it was.

00:57:33.000 Did the northern first people start licking bones and rocks? 1.00

00:57:39.000 No.

00:57:40.000 We discovered that.

00:57:42.000 You know, science, as it figures out, going, hey, this is porous material.

00:57:45.000 If I lick porous material, it's going to stick to my tongue. 0.99

00:57:49.000 Holy fuck, that's a fossil. 0.99

00:57:51.000 This kind of... 1.00

00:57:54.000 The problem with you, Eric, is you are starting from an improper position.

00:58:01.000 You are starting on a confirmation bias. 0.99

00:58:04.000 You are stating from the beginning that dinosaurs don't exist, and you are using pareidolia and apophenia, the ability for humans to find patterns, in order to fit your bullshit... 0.99

00:58:18.000 And then only cherry pick what belongs. 1.00

00:58:22.000 That's what he does with fucking Flat Earth. 1.00

00:58:24.000 And the problem with this is, like I was saying earlier, because now the stupid minority has a voice... 1.00

00:58:32.000 All, I don't know how many million people subscribe to his fucking channel. 1.00

00:58:36.000 Every single flat earth dipshit is going to go 61,000 people. 1.00

00:58:43.000 Okay. 0.97

00:58:43.000 Look at that 300,000 views. 0.97

00:58:45.000 And here's the thing.

00:58:47.000 Check out the comments.

00:58:49.000 Thumbs up, thumbs down are almost identical.

00:58:52.000 Look, 3486 to 3493. Are you kidding me?

00:58:58.000 You son of a bitch. 1.00

00:59:00.000 I remember being forced to have the same dinosaur toys as everyone. 1.00

00:59:05.000 Yeah, that's because it's called consumerism.

00:59:08.000 Flat Earth, no dinosaur.

00:59:09.000 What's the point in making these?

00:59:10.000 Okay, see?

00:59:11.000 Good.

00:59:11.000 Good for you.

00:59:12.000 Go in there.

00:59:14.000 Extremely great research.

00:59:16.000 Love this very much.

00:59:16.000 Thank you.

00:59:17.000 Max Haskins, don't breed.

00:59:21.000 Don't ruin dinosaurs with facts. 1.00

00:59:23.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:59:24.000 They were my favorite animal. 1.00

00:59:26.000 Here's another problem. 1.00

00:59:27.000 His voice is annoying as fuck. 1.00

00:59:28.000 Oh my god. 1.00

00:59:29.000 Let's play more.

00:59:30.000 Thanks.

00:59:31.000 I'm gonna open another beer.

00:59:36.000 Because we didn't dig. 0.99

01:00:08.000 That's because we find the first one and then we're like, holy shit, there must be more of these out there. 0.97

01:00:15.000 And then the Bone War started between Ogden and Marsh. 0.70

01:00:18.000 You had the Mantell collection with the first Iguanodon that was found. 0.99

01:00:22.000 And they put it and they made these really stupid statues and put them in Crystal Palace in London. 0.94

01:00:28.000 And Mary Anning, one of the first... 0.98

01:00:33.000 Well, the first female paleontologist and one of the first people to actually find fossils, she discovered the ichthyosaur.

01:00:40.000 Mary Anning was the girl from the rhyme, she sells seashells on the seashore, because that's what she did as a child.

01:00:48.000 And as she was looking for seashells, she found a skeleton of an ichthyosaur buried in a cliff.

01:00:55.000 Whoa.

01:00:55.000 Yeah.

01:00:56.000 Like a kid.

01:00:57.000 I think she was 12, 13. Holy shit. 1.00

01:00:59.000 I think paleontology Twitter is going to rip me apart for not knowing the thing. 0.99

01:01:03.000 But come on.

01:01:03.000 I'm hyped up now.

01:01:05.000 He's drunk.

01:01:05.000 He's hyped up.

01:01:06.000 I'm not.

01:01:07.000 Dude, that's one beer.

01:01:08.000 All right.

01:01:08.000 I've got...

01:01:09.000 I don't know how many you had before you got here.

01:01:11.000 None.

01:01:12.000 People get excited.

01:01:12.000 I've got nine more in there.

01:01:14.000 I'm going to need them.

01:01:17.000 Yeah, it's just...

01:01:18.000 So, Mary Anning discovered ichthyosaurs.

01:01:20.000 And once you discover something like that, you want to go around the world and say, hey, where else is this stuff?

01:01:25.000 Let's go somewhere that no one has been.

01:01:28.000 Which means North America, South America, Tanzania, Belize, all the things that Captain Jackass just rattled off. 0.97

01:01:35.000 Captain Fuckface. 1.00

01:01:36.000 Let's call him Captain Fuckface. 1.00

01:01:38.000 God, fucking fuckwitted shitgibbon. 1.00

01:01:41.000 Just something. 1.00

01:01:42.000 I mean, yeah, I stole shitgibbon from a Trump thing. 0.91

01:01:46.000 Shitgibbon? 0.99

01:01:46.000 Shitgibbon. 0.99

01:01:47.000 Like a monkey?

01:01:48.000 Like a gibbon monkey?

01:01:50.000 I think they're technically apes.

01:01:52.000 Gibbons are apes?

01:01:53.000 I think gibbons are apes.

01:01:54.000 Do they have tails?

01:01:56.000 No, I don't believe so.

01:01:58.000 Aren't all apes monkeys, but not all monkeys are apes?

01:02:02.000 No, apes and monkeys are primates.

01:02:03.000 But a monkey is just, it's not a technical term, right?

01:02:06.000 It's not a scientific term.

01:02:07.000 There was an article that was written that was explaining that all apes are monkeys, but not all monkeys are apes.

01:02:13.000 See if you can find that.

01:02:14.000 We'll go to that afterwards.

01:02:16.000 We'll go to that afterwards.

01:02:17.000 Give me one of those beers.

01:02:19.000 Let's keep this rolling.

01:02:20.000 I want to see how deep we can go with this.

01:02:23.000 Eric Dubé character.

01:02:24.000 I don't know.

01:02:25.000 What kind do you like?

01:02:25.000 Whatever you got, man.

01:02:27.000 Have you had a Goza?

01:02:37.000 Yes, Wayne Grady.

01:02:46.000 This is great.

01:02:49.000 That's because there were two paleontologists going at it against each other, going, I can find the cooler thing.

01:02:56.000 No, I can find the cooler thing. 1.00

01:02:57.000 I'm going to find more shit than you. 0.99

01:02:59.000 It was called the Bone Wars, Ogden versus Marsh. 0.99

01:03:02.000 You already talked about this, right?

01:03:03.000 Yeah.

01:03:03.000 What was underhanded about it?

01:03:05.000 They would...

01:03:11.000 Yeah.

01:03:34.000 You had two guys trying to make a name for themselves in a burgeoning brand new field that just wanted to get in and roll.

01:03:43.000 And they had direct competition with each other. 1.00

01:03:45.000 So it's going to be, you know, fuck you, I'm going to find these bones first. 1.00

01:03:48.000 And it got nasty, man. 1.00

01:03:51.000 Wow.

01:03:51.000 Yeah.

01:03:52.000 Think of it as Edison versus Tesla, paleontology.

01:03:56.000 Right.

01:03:57.000 Except Tesla wasn't very aggressive. 1.00

01:03:59.000 He sort of like let all that shit happen. 0.99

01:04:01.000 Yeah, true, true. 1.00

01:04:02.000 Very true.

01:04:03.000 Play it.

01:04:04.000 Keep this going.

01:04:07.000 Mm-hmm.

01:04:11.000 Oh, Cope, yeah.

01:04:12.000 Cope, Marsh, Ogden.

01:04:20.000 Yeah, I said Ogden.

01:04:22.000 I meant Cope, my bad. 1.00

01:04:47.000 Fuck you for saying supposedly. 1.00

01:04:55.000 Bullshit! 1.00

01:04:57.000 Bullshit! 1.00

01:04:59.000 Not a falsification or fabrication. 0.99

01:05:01.000 Turns out a lot of those dinosaurs were the same species that were previously discovered.

01:05:06.000 So, oh, look, this sauropod femur looks a lot like that sauropod femur, but I found this slightly in a different place, so I'm going to name it a new species.

01:05:15.000 Nope, turns out those are both brontosaurus or apatosaurus or triceratops or stegosaurs, anything like that. 0.98

01:05:22.000 That is just an outright fucking lie that he just said. 0.85

01:05:27.000 When things are discovered and it turns out that they're the same, it becomes taxonomically what's called a junior synonym. 0.99

01:05:35.000 So, for example, Tyrannosaurus Rex had another name for a really long time.

01:05:42.000 It's totally mega, mega, no, regardless.

01:05:46.000 Whatever the first name for it was, was technically the first discovered name for it.

01:05:52.000 But since Tyrannosaurus Rex became the more popular, the more documented, the more thing, That became a junior synonym, or that one actually became what we call nomum obscurum, or the obscure name, no longer talked about.

01:06:07.000 But that's what happened.

01:06:08.000 It wasn't an outright fabrication.

01:06:10.000 It was two dudes finding bones of the same species or type of animal, but not naming it the same thing. 0.98

01:06:19.000 So that's an absolute bullshit Eric Dubé outright lie. 1.00

01:06:35.000 Bullshit. 1.00

01:06:37.000 Bullshit. 0.99

01:06:39.000 Sue in the Field Museum is not 100% complete, 98% complete, including formerly unknown elements from any other tyrannosaur. 0.98

01:06:51.000 I believe a commercial paleontology group just found like a 99% or almost a 100% complete dinosaur.

01:06:59.000 We have found entireties or near-entireties of animals.

01:07:04.000 So he's right by a very small technicality of one or two percentage points.

01:07:08.000 Exactly, exactly.

01:07:09.000 But what he's implying is completely misleading.

01:07:12.000 He's implying that they're finding a shinbone and drawing a dinosaur around it.

01:07:17.000 Exactly.

01:07:18.000 But no, we can find 70% of a Tyrannosaurus Rex.

01:07:22.000 We know what they look like.

01:07:23.000 So yeah, we will use 3D printing or casting of all that.

01:07:27.000 Many, and yeah, I'm happily admitting this because everyone knows, or at least everyone should know, Many dinosaurs in museums are what we call conglomerates.

01:07:38.000 It will be a triceratops.

01:07:42.000 The skull will be real.

01:07:44.000 Maybe the front half of the animal, some ribs, maybe some tail vertebra or the pelvis will be from one animal.

01:07:51.000 We will have to use casts of other triceratops that we have throughout paleontology in other museums.

01:07:59.000 Many of the fossils you see on display are casts.

01:08:02.000 Now, cast doesn't mean bullshit created on the spot.

01:08:06.000 It means, very technically, this is a cast.

01:08:10.000 It is a replica of an actual existing bone that was wrapped, made a mold of, and then filled with resin painted to the correct color.

01:08:21.000 Of a bone that exists.

01:08:23.000 It is not something we are just making up. 1.00

01:08:26.000 That is bullshit. 0.99

01:08:28.000 And I hate that when they come in and go, oh, well, look, that's like... 1.00

01:08:33.000 Plastic.

01:08:33.000 Yeah, it's plastic.

01:08:34.000 Well, yeah.

01:08:35.000 You know why? 0.99

01:08:36.000 Fossils are fucking fragile. 0.99

01:08:38.000 It takes us weeks to get a single bone out. 0.99

01:08:42.000 And then it is covered in glue.

01:08:43.000 It is wrapped in tissue paper, sometimes tinfoil.

01:08:46.000 A shit ton of plaster and reinforcement is wrapped around it.

01:08:50.000 Then it has to be very carefully slid down a mountain on a car hood in one time or airlifted out in another and put in the back of trucks and then taken all the way to its museum and then cracked open and then prepared.

01:09:03.000 Everything has to get leafed off it very carefully, and we're adding more glue as we're going.

01:09:08.000 Because if you sneeze wrong on some mineralized specimens, it goes away.

01:09:15.000 It just goes boom.

01:09:18.000 So you have to work very carefully in a booth with an aerobrator, so you're shooting extremely fine particles, just to get the top millimeter of material off.

01:09:29.000 This is hard, detailed work on things that are 65 plus million years old that if we're not careful, they fall apart.

01:09:38.000 We are not going to wrap something like that in fucking steel and put it up on a mount, especially somewhere, I don't know, like Los Angeles, where things like earthquakes happen. 0.98

01:09:50.000 Statements like that that he makes are just fucking irritating. 0.99

01:09:55.000 Keep it going. 1.00

01:10:04.000 Bullshit. 1.00

01:10:05.000 Bullshit. 1.00

01:10:07.000 Bullshit. 1.00

01:10:08.000 Abso-fucking-lutely bullshit. 1.00

01:10:10.000 Fuck you, Eric. 1.00

01:10:11.000 I'm a paleo monitor, you asshole. 1.00

01:10:13.000 I am actually contracted to go out to fucking building sites and make sure fossils are protected and dug up correctly. 1.00

01:10:21.000 In fact, you know what, jackass? 0.99

01:10:23.000 I found a whale in downtown LA. Fuck you, Eric Dubé. 1.00

01:10:26.000 You found a whale? 1.00

01:10:27.000 I found a whale in downtown LA. Oh, you talked about this the last podcast.

01:10:31.000 Yeah.

01:10:31.000 You were talking about how they had to shut down construction.

01:10:33.000 Exactly.

01:10:33.000 You know why?

01:10:34.000 Because building construction finds fucking dinosaurs and whales and prehistoric animals, you jackass. 1.00

01:10:40.000 Ugh. 1.00

01:10:41.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:10:42.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:10:44.000 Farmers. 1.00

01:10:45.000 So, Sue was found on a guy's farm.

01:10:49.000 There have been numerous dinosaurs, numerous prehistoric animals found on a guy's farm. 0.97

01:10:54.000 By the way, there's an entire private area up in Bakersfield called Shark's Tooth Hill where they find Meg teeth, Megalodon teeth, all the fucking time. 0.96

01:11:02.000 In Bakersfield? 0.98

01:11:03.000 In Bakersfield.

01:11:03.000 It's on private land.

01:11:05.000 Farmers, builders, recreational people.

01:11:08.000 Yeah, hey, guess what?

01:11:09.000 A couple people hiking in Red Rock Canyon up near Palmdale found a trackway from an ancient camel.

01:11:17.000 Recreational people. 0.99

01:11:18.000 Yeah, this happens all the fucking time. 0.98

01:11:21.000 The reason why it's happening more and more lately is because people know what they're looking for now. 1.00

01:11:26.000 They understand, wow, there could be shit out here. 0.99

01:11:29.000 Hey, if we're digging a road, if we're widening the 99 freeway in Fresno, holy shit, we hit a mammoth. 0.99

01:11:35.000 Or, holy shit, we found a whale in downtown L.A., Like, within blocks of the 110 Freeway in Good Samaritan Hospital. 0.98

01:11:44.000 I won't tell you where. 0.99

01:11:45.000 I can't.

01:11:46.000 But, yeah.

01:11:47.000 Just wanted a secrecy?

01:11:48.000 Yeah.

01:11:48.000 It's just part of the contracts.

01:11:50.000 That's the deal. 1.00

01:11:51.000 Because if you find something there, you can find more shit. 0.99

01:11:56.000 We found over 400 specimens of shark teeth, whales, or ribcage of a whale, snails, fossil coral, all of this. 0.99

01:12:04.000 Because downtown LA was underwater 7 million years ago.

01:12:08.000 And... 1.00

01:12:10.000 Yeah, that's, oh my god, that's fucking bullshit. 1.00

01:12:12.000 Let's keep going. 1.00

01:12:14.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:12:17.000 Found all the time. 1.00

01:12:21.000 Bullshit. 1.00

01:12:27.000 Meaning trained motherfuckers. 1.00

01:12:55.000 Oh, okay. 0.99

01:12:56.000 So it's perfectly fine to accidentally find ancient scrolls or silver denarii from the Roman period or a never-before-known pyramid in South America.

01:13:09.000 Oh, no, that's cool.

01:13:10.000 You know why? 1.00

01:13:11.000 Because humans fucking made those. 0.99

01:13:13.000 But it's completely out of the norm for some kid, some nine-year-old kid, to be walking around Montana and find a mummified hadrosaur. 0.99

01:13:24.000 Yeah, I don't know why he made that distinction.

01:13:26.000 That's a weird comparison.

01:13:28.000 It's more plausible to find the Dead Sea Scrolls in Qumran than it is to find a Megalodon tooth in Bakersfield.

01:13:34.000 That doesn't make any sense.

01:13:35.000 No, no, it doesn't make any sense.

01:13:37.000 He's anthropomorphizing this, and he's using an absolutely invalid argument and a logical fallacy.

01:13:44.000 He's trying...

01:13:46.000 He's trying to...

01:13:47.000 It's absolute false equivocation.

01:13:49.000 He's trying to go, oh, well, you know, you can't find this stuff because it's super, super old, but you can find this stuff because it's younger, and it's humans, and, you know, people live there, so we'd expect stuff there. 0.99

01:13:59.000 Well, guess what, asshole? 0.99

01:14:00.000 There's 65 million years of difference between... 1.00

01:14:06.000 Humans deciding to write shit down and go, hey, there's a day and a night. 0.99

01:14:12.000 That means something's ruling the day and the night, God's religion and industry and all that, and dinosaurs eating shit. 1.00

01:14:20.000 65 million years. 0.99

01:14:24.000 We were tree shrews and moles. 1.00

01:14:26.000 We weren't building shit. 0.99

01:14:29.000 We weren't writing stuff down. 1.00

01:14:32.000 Such a false fucking argument. 1.00

01:14:34.000 God, this guy's a jackass. 1.00

01:14:43.000 No it wasn't. 1.00

01:14:44.000 No it wasn't. 1.00

01:14:51.000 Because we found a bunch of shit there! 0.99

01:14:59.000 Like, Dinosaur National Park. 1.00

01:15:17.000 Stop saying allegedly, you son of a bitch. 1.00

01:15:24.000 Yeah, because it's a fantastic site. 1.00

01:15:38.000 Oh, oh, oh, really?

01:15:40.000 Really?

01:15:40.000 Hey, guess what, Eric?

01:15:42.000 Eric?

01:15:42.000 I ran a lab that we had three and a half million specimens from the Ice Age that goes back 90,000 years.

01:15:51.000 So the La Brea Tar Pits, the largest Ice Age mammal collection on the fucking planet, and this stuff isn't mineralized.

01:16:00.000 It's actually subsumed with asphalt, keeping the All of the calcium and everything intact. 0.96

01:16:06.000 These are actual bones.

01:16:07.000 When we find a saber-toothed tooth, it's the physical tooth of the animal, which is kind of freaky to think about. 0.99

01:16:13.000 But saying that, it's like, yeah, we find a lot of shit in places. 0.98

01:16:18.000 The River of Death in Alberta, when they're digging the pipeline. 0.99

01:16:22.000 I don't know, Mammoth Hot Springs.

01:16:25.000 There are things called death traps and predator traps and sinkholes and natural trap caves and, I don't know, entire sand dunes falling on things while they're fighting the dueling dinosaurs. 0.70

01:16:37.000 It's a protoceratops versus a velociraptor that was found in Mongolia because a fucking sand dune fell on them while they were tussling around because the V-Raptor wanted to eat the thing.

01:16:47.000 That's a rad specimen, by the way. 0.90

01:16:49.000 You know what's interesting about this guy?

01:16:51.000 Is that he knows so much.

01:16:53.000 Is that his knowledge of the history of paleontology and of researching dinosaur bones, he knows so much. 0.99

01:17:02.000 I call bullshit on that. 0.99

01:17:04.000 What I'm thinking is that he's reading from a script that he cobbled together on fucking Wikipedia. 1.00

01:17:07.000 I challenge him to go toe-to-toe with somebody in the business. 0.99

01:17:10.000 I don't know, like me.

01:17:12.000 And go, okay, start throwing dates, start throwing specimens. 1.00

01:17:15.000 I will fucking own you. 0.99

01:17:18.000 But you know what I'm saying? 1.00

01:17:19.000 I mean, he's obviously, he knows all these people.

01:17:22.000 He knows about the Bone Wars.

01:17:23.000 He knows who's in charge of all these different...

01:17:26.000 Simple Google search of...

01:17:28.000 Largest dinosaur thing found. 0.98

01:17:30.000 Okay, I'm going to write these three things down on this manila fucking legal pad. 0.98

01:17:34.000 I understand that. 0.98

01:17:34.000 I'm not saying that it's impressive and that it's conclusive evidence. 0.98

01:17:38.000 I'm saying it's impressive that this guy has done this much research, but yet still has this ridiculous idea, and he's using this...

01:17:46.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.

01:17:46.000 Yeah.

01:17:47.000 He's using all this data that's actually factual about how many different people found how many different things, and he's decided this is proof...

01:17:56.000 And all he does is put allegedly in front of it.

01:17:59.000 It's like, no, sorry, over 6,000 specimens were found there.

01:18:03.000 Let's keep going.

01:18:12.000 Why do you think it's called the Dinosaur National Monument now?

01:18:23.000 It's Keope, actually.

01:18:28.000 Yep.

01:18:29.000 It was called the Tiniest Giants exhibition. 1.00

01:18:39.000 What the fuck?! 1.00

01:18:46.000 Concentrated planting efforts.

01:18:47.000 What did they plant?

01:18:48.000 What were the things that they planted?

01:18:50.000 There's dinosaur bones that they planted?

01:18:53.000 What were the dinosaur bones made out of? 0.96

01:18:56.000 So that is actually an argument with these jackasses.

01:18:59.000 It's like, okay, so Big Paleo, the Big Paleontologist, people like me... 0.96

01:19:04.000 Big Paleo! 0.58

01:19:05.000 Like Big Pharma!

01:19:06.000 Yeah, like Big Pharma and Big They and all that.

01:19:10.000 We're Big Podcast, Jamie.

01:19:10.000 There you go.

01:19:11.000 We're Big Podcast.

01:19:12.000 We're an industry.

01:19:14.000 So, they say, they, not in the black man, you know, black helicopter they, but they as in the detractors, state...

01:19:24.000 That paleontologists, like me, will create a fossil, whether it's like a cast, or will just make one up.

01:19:33.000 And on these expeditions, we go out and we actually bury it and uncover it and make the news and all that.

01:19:42.000 Well, if that was true, Eric, why is it that when we find something, say in, I don't know, 2008?

01:19:52.000 It's not usually written about until, say, 2012. And that's just a single note in the Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, which I guarantee you've never read.

01:20:04.000 Or it's done as a poster at the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology, which I will absolutely guarantee you've never been to.

01:20:11.000 And then, the fossil's still in prep at that point.

01:20:13.000 We haven't done all the research on it.

01:20:15.000 It's still undiscovered fossil found.

01:20:18.000 If we are going out and investing all of this money In order to make these fakes and bury them and pay all of these people to shut them up and huge excavations like that, we would kind of want to recoup that money as fast as possible and immediately dump it to the news and get paid for spokesmanships and all of that.

01:20:39.000 But we don't.

01:20:40.000 We suffer.

01:20:41.000 Natural history museums are some of the lowest donated to institutions on the planet.

01:20:47.000 Art museums are generally number one.

01:20:50.000 There are people that get laid off all the time from museums.

01:20:54.000 Museums close.

01:20:55.000 If we were making all this money and making all this fame, why are there paleontologists out of a job?

01:21:02.000 Why do I know a dozen monitors that don't have work right now?

01:21:06.000 Why are there museums that have a problem actually getting a budget to get an excavation going?

01:21:13.000 That they have to use private donors, that they have to use their board of directors, that they have to go from a county museum to a foundation non-profit.

01:21:21.000 Non-profit. 0.99

01:21:24.000 This is such a line of fucking bullshit that, I mean, that pisses me off because his simple statements are looping in thousands and tens of thousands of employees and museums and all of that worldwide. 1.00

01:21:38.000 This would be one of the largest conspiracies ever, other than, I don't know, moon hoaxes and NASA. Flat Earth. 1.00

01:21:45.000 Flat Earth and shit like that. 0.98

01:21:46.000 That's the other one he does. 0.94

01:21:47.000 Yeah, that is the other one.

01:21:47.000 That's the biggest one.

01:21:48.000 Keep going. 1.00

01:21:49.000 Son of a bitch. 1.00

01:22:03.000 What, the nonprofit business? 1.00

01:22:24.000 Okay, Eric.

01:22:27.000 If that's true, then why do dinosaurs become passe?

01:22:32.000 Why does somebody like me, who has been on, I don't know, 13, 14 different television shows talking about paleontology, geology, and all that, I have pitched live dig stuff to BBC and all of that.

01:22:47.000 I'm consulting on a couple projects right now.

01:22:49.000 Unfortunately, I can't name them.

01:22:51.000 But...

01:22:52.000 Dinosaurs become passe very, very quickly.

01:22:55.000 Because people are like, oh cool, new dinosaurs found.

01:22:57.000 Yeah, big deal.

01:22:58.000 Or, oh whoa, brontosaurus is back.

01:23:00.000 Yeah, whatever.

01:23:01.000 But the mainstream media, as you said, is just, they love a dinosaur story. 1.00

01:23:07.000 But that's bullshit. 1.00

01:23:08.000 That's absolute bullshit. 1.00

01:23:09.000 When was the last dinosaur documentary? 1.00

01:23:11.000 Yeah, there was...

01:23:15.000 What was it called?

01:23:16.000 Autopsy of a T-Rex with my friend Tori.

01:23:19.000 And that...

01:23:21.000 Okay, that was a speculative science show.

01:23:23.000 It was like, what happens if we found a T-Rex and cut it open and do an autopsy?

01:23:27.000 That was a hit.

01:23:27.000 And then...

01:23:29.000 Paleontology TV died again.

01:23:31.000 Two years ago, I had a two-hour National Geographic documentary about digging up woolly mammoths in that.

01:23:38.000 It aired a night.

01:23:40.000 There was a little bit of press. 1.00

01:23:42.000 Fucking done. 0.97

01:23:42.000 The production company that did the thing with Nat Geo is out of business now. 0.97

01:23:48.000 Just done.

01:23:50.000 It's like, really?

01:23:51.000 We're pressured to get this money? 0.98

01:23:53.000 Then why aren't we making fucking more? 0.98

01:23:55.000 Why, Eric? 0.99

01:23:57.000 Am I a bartender, in addition to a paleontologist, in addition to somebody that's on TV, if I'm making all this big paleo fucking money? 0.98

01:24:08.000 If I'm such a shill, okay, yeah. 0.99

01:24:11.000 Is that why I'm a month behind on my car payment right now?

01:24:14.000 Is that why I'm trying to scrape together rent? 1.00

01:24:17.000 Fuck you! 1.00

01:24:19.000 He's getting aggressive. 1.00

01:24:20.000 Oh, I'm very aggressive. 1.00

01:24:21.000 Fuck these guys. 1.00

01:24:29.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 1.00

01:24:31.000 The bandwagon effect?

01:24:32.000 And crowd behavior? 1.00

01:24:34.000 Like flat earth bullshit? 1.00

01:24:36.000 Okay. 0.99

01:24:37.000 We're only 7 minutes and 53 seconds into a 29 minute video. 0.99

01:24:41.000 Oh, fuck all. 0.99

01:24:44.000 We don't have to keep going. 1.00

01:24:45.000 I don't want you to get too mad.

01:24:47.000 I think you kind of made your point.

01:24:48.000 You can pull the plug anytime you want.

01:24:50.000 But now, it's like one of those Twitter arguments, man.

01:24:53.000 Now I'm getting invested.

01:24:55.000 I know, that's why I wanted to play it for you.

01:24:57.000 Yeah, I know. 0.99

01:24:57.000 You fucking troll me all the time. 0.99

01:25:00.000 Because we follow each other, we DM each other, and all of a sudden, in my feed, it's like, I have you on note, because we're both verified. 0.99

01:25:07.000 It pops up.

01:25:08.000 And it's just like, Joe Rogan is tweeting about Flat Earth.

01:25:11.000 I'm like, what?

01:25:12.000 What? 1.00

01:25:13.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:25:13.000 And then just go for it. 1.00

01:25:15.000 It's like, you're...

01:25:15.000 I mean, like, you know, the podcast and, like, fight commentary and UFC stuff and, like, with your, with, like, Triggered coming out and all that, that's one thing.

01:25:24.000 When you rile up the cranks, man...

01:25:27.000 You're just, like, you're at the same level.

01:25:29.000 Actually, you have, like, how many followers do you have?

01:25:32.000 Like, two million.

01:25:33.000 Right.

01:25:33.000 On Twitter?

01:25:35.000 TDD, take that Darwin, like, ten, maybe fifteen thousand.

01:25:40.000 I get the same level of riled from both of you. 1.00

01:25:45.000 Fuck, man! 1.00

01:25:46.000 We need to fly him out and have him on the show. 1.00

01:25:48.000 This guy?

01:25:49.000 No, no, Eric Dubé?

01:25:51.000 Take that Darwin.

01:25:52.000 He would be rad. 1.00

01:25:55.000 Fuck Eric Dubé. 1.00

01:25:56.000 If he's ever on the show, I want to be outside waiting with a fucking baseball bat. 1.00

01:26:00.000 Oh, how rude. 0.99

01:26:01.000 Do you want to be violent with him?

01:26:03.000 Almost, almost.

01:26:04.000 Don't you want to talk to him?

01:26:05.000 I mean, I think you could gain a lot from sitting down with a guy like this and just sort of picking him apart, because you would realize what he was wrong about, and instead of him being able to just spout off on a YouTube video, he would be checked at every step of the way whenever he said something incorrect.

01:26:20.000 Yes, but the problem is, the only reason why I would do that, he will never change his mind. 0.97

01:26:26.000 Well, he's probably crazy. 0.98

01:26:28.000 Well, duh. 1.00

01:26:29.000 He's absolutely crazy. 0.99

01:26:31.000 But think about it.

01:26:32.000 Right now, you have four million subscribers that now know this video exists, that know Eric Dubé's name, that know that paleontologists can get riled up by this guy.

01:26:43.000 They're now going to go, look, if any one of your listeners is on the fence about dinosaurs, why would you be?

01:26:49.000 But you could have some.

01:26:51.000 Those are the people that I would have to try and convince.

01:26:54.000 I will never convince him. 0.99

01:26:56.000 I will mock the living shit out of him until he wants to put himself into a chipper shredder. 0.99

01:27:02.000 But I will never convince him. 1.00

01:27:05.000 And that's the thing.

01:27:07.000 So all you Psycom people out there. 0.99

01:27:10.000 We don't do it to try and convince the big mouthpieces for these movements.

01:27:16.000 We're trying to go for the people that aren't quite sure. 1.00

01:27:19.000 If we embarrass the living fuck out of these people, those people will go, wow, those guys are idiots. 1.00

01:27:25.000 Why did I even consider that the world is flat or that dinosaurs didn't exist or creationism exists or chemtrails or Nibiru fucking rogue planets and shit like that? 1.00

01:27:35.000 Wait a minute. 0.99

01:27:36.000 Don't talk shit about Nibiru. 1.00

01:27:37.000 Seriously? 0.99

01:27:39.000 Don't even, dude.

01:27:41.000 Don't even.

01:27:41.000 I just had a...

01:27:42.000 Well, the Anunnaki were definitely real. 1.00

01:27:44.000 And they definitely came down, and they definitely made people with pinkies. 1.00

01:27:48.000 I've seen clay tablets.

01:27:49.000 Yeah, Zachariah Sitchin.

01:27:50.000 With the drawings.

01:27:51.000 They knew.

01:27:53.000 They had wisdom.

01:27:53.000 Yeah, and Nancy Leder with the implant.

01:27:56.000 I don't know who Nancy Leder is. 0.96

01:27:57.000 Oh my god, really?

01:27:58.000 No.

01:27:58.000 That's like...

01:27:59.000 School me.

01:27:59.000 That's the queen of Nibiru.

01:28:01.000 Oh! 0.60

01:28:01.000 So, since like 1993 or 1995 or something like that, she's claimed that the Zatans, That know about Nibiru and all that. 0.60

01:28:13.000 Put an implant in her head and she's the only one that can talk to them. 1.00

01:28:17.000 Imagine if it was true though.

01:28:19.000 Imagine you're sitting here mocking her. 1.00

01:28:20.000 Meanwhile, this bitch has got an implant in her head. 1.00

01:28:22.000 She's talking to aliens. 1.00

01:28:23.000 And you're like, God, you think it's real?

01:28:26.000 And she's like, I've got a message.

01:28:29.000 Well, the thing is, they've been wrong.

01:28:31.000 So she actually made a prediction and was totally wrong on it.

01:28:36.000 Maybe they're trolling her.

01:28:38.000 Why would they tell people what's going to happen and what's going on? 0.99

01:28:41.000 They don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:28:42.000 We're like little monkeys. 1.00

01:28:43.000 They're like little monkeys with a lighter.

01:28:45.000 True, true.

01:28:45.000 And that's actually their argument.

01:28:47.000 Their argument.

01:28:48.000 But if you do the math, so this rogue planet supposedly has like a orbital period of 3600 years and it goes out, I think it was like 50 AU or something like 50 distances from the Earth to the Sun.

01:29:00.000 Yeah, the orbital velocity of that would be in excess of 42.1 kilometers a second, which is the escape velocity of the solar system.

01:29:07.000 Any sort of gravitational protuberance that, or sorry, a problem that would have as it approached, I don't know, Pluto or the, uh, or the QPA belt or anything, the orc cloud or anything like that.

01:29:21.000 The slightest bit of gravitation would launch it out of the solar system on a who the fuck knows where it's going trajectory.

01:29:28.000 There's no way a planet the size of fucking Neptune is cruising in and right behind the sun on a counter orbit to us. 0.94

01:29:38.000 So according to them, The Earth has stopped rotating. 0.96

01:29:43.000 It has stopped orbiting. 0.98

01:29:44.000 It is now just wobbling back and forth, and there's going to be a physical pole shift of the fucking planet. 0.99

01:29:50.000 Oh, this is this lady? 1.00

01:29:52.000 Yeah, this is the Nancy shit. 1.00

01:29:54.000 But there is a planet. 0.99

01:29:55.000 There's something that they found that's outside the Kuiper Belt, right?

01:29:58.000 There is some thing.

01:30:00.000 Some object that they believe is four times plus larger than the Earth?

01:30:04.000 That is because of outer orbits of outer material wiggles just a little bit.

01:30:10.000 Whether it's a twin sun or a dark star or a Neptune-sized planet or anything like that, we don't know.

01:30:18.000 That is all speculation.

01:30:20.000 I'm going to JPL next Wednesday for a tour and talking to people.

01:30:26.000 No one knows because no one's discovered.

01:30:29.000 The whole Planet X thing, everyone's like, Planet X was discovered.

01:30:31.000 No, it wasn't.

01:30:32.000 Or Planet 9 or whatever the fuck they're calling it now.

01:30:34.000 It was not discovered.

01:30:36.000 It was theorized.

01:30:37.000 There's a huge difference between hypothesis, a theory, and a discovery. 0.99

01:30:41.000 A hypothesis of, hey, shit's wiggling. 0.99

01:30:44.000 That means something may be out there. 0.99

01:30:45.000 A theory is, hey, we found something.

01:30:47.000 We have the facts to back it up.

01:30:49.000 We are establishing a scientific theory. 0.98

01:30:50.000 And between those, you have the discovery of, fuck, we have an image of the planet. 0.97

01:30:55.000 Or, hey, we see it transiting something. 0.99

01:30:58.000 It's like...

01:31:00.000 Right now it's just a theory.

01:31:01.000 There's no image of it, but they...

01:31:03.000 It's just a hypothesis.

01:31:04.000 It's not even a theory.

01:31:04.000 They also know that the way the Kuiper Belt responds and then the galactic shelf, the way it ends, it seems to indicate something of a large mass that's outside there.

01:31:14.000 Absolutely.

01:31:15.000 They think it's some insane orbit, like a 33,000-year orbit, I believe.

01:31:20.000 Yeah, not a 3,600-year orbit or anything like that.

01:31:23.000 So it's really, really, really far away.

01:31:24.000 And it's really, really far away, and it wouldn't be a binary system because nothing's, like, figurating through.

01:31:31.000 Right.

01:31:32.000 Who knows?

01:31:32.000 Maybe Halley's Comet is.

01:31:34.000 Maybe.

01:31:35.000 Maybe.

01:31:35.000 Just maybe.

01:31:36.000 I don't know.

01:31:36.000 I'm not an astrophysicist.

01:31:37.000 Maybe on its 75-year trajectory, it's flying so fast it goes all the way out and flings around and comes back.

01:31:44.000 Who knows?

01:31:45.000 Hmm.

01:31:46.000 I mean, well, JPL and guys are like, I'll ask Fred.

01:31:48.000 What are you doing Wednesday morning, by the way?

01:31:50.000 I don't know.

01:31:50.000 We'll talk about it after the show.

01:31:51.000 Cool deal.

01:31:52.000 I might be going with you.

01:31:53.000 Right on.

01:31:53.000 That would be fun.

01:31:54.000 Yeah.

01:31:55.000 Private tour JPL? Fuck yeah. 1.00

01:31:57.000 That'd be exciting. 1.00

01:31:57.000 I know the Mars cartographer. 1.00

01:31:59.000 Does it sign shit so I won't tell them about fake dinosaurs and shit? 1.00

01:32:04.000 Probably. 1.00

01:32:04.000 Have to be a shale for the flat Earth? 1.00

01:32:06.000 Depends if we go in the clean room or not, or see the Mars yard where they fake the Curiosity rover.

01:32:12.000 I have a friend who doesn't believe in satellites.

01:32:15.000 Oh, yeah.

01:32:16.000 I think satellites are low-flying planes.

01:32:17.000 Have you seen that one?

01:32:18.000 Eddie!

01:32:18.000 Eddie Bravo?

01:32:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:20.000 By the way, Eddie, guess what?

01:32:22.000 I brought a chemtrail sticker for you, too, buddy.

01:32:25.000 He still hangs on to that chemtrail one heart.

01:32:29.000 So, my friend, I was in Atlanta for a convention, and my friend Tommy listens to your podcast.

01:32:35.000 He's got the Awakened Primate tattoo.

01:32:39.000 I think I sent you a text with a picture on it.

01:32:41.000 Okay, cool.

01:32:43.000 He's like a really cool dude.

01:32:44.000 And he's like, dude, did you hear the Eddie Bravo broadcast?

01:32:47.000 I'm like, no.

01:32:48.000 He doesn't believe in science.

01:32:49.000 He doesn't believe in dinosaurs. 1.00

01:32:50.000 He's going fucking chemtrail. 0.99

01:32:51.000 Like, what are you talking about? 1.00

01:32:54.000 In his defense, he was quite drunk.

01:32:56.000 Oh, yeah.

01:32:56.000 I get that.

01:32:59.000 But you get kind of loose and your inhibitions get down.

01:33:04.000 Well, he gets excited about secrets.

01:33:07.000 Yeah.

01:33:08.000 He gets excited about secret societies and these conspiracies and this idea is very attractive to him that dinosaurs aren't real.

01:33:19.000 It's all been a scam.

01:33:20.000 They've been lying to us, bro.

01:33:22.000 He doesn't believe in science because he can't do it.

01:33:24.000 Stuff like that.

01:33:25.000 Well, it's a pattern of thinking that's attractive to a lot of people.

01:33:30.000 This pattern of thinking that you're going to uncover some hidden truths.

01:33:33.000 Yeah, because you can be that person.

01:33:35.000 You can be that famous person.

01:33:37.000 It's like, hey everybody, guess what happened to Geraldo when he opened Al Capone's vault?

01:33:41.000 Anybody remember that?

01:33:42.000 Yeah, well, that was a chance.

01:33:44.000 He took a chance.

01:33:45.000 But it's the same thing, or opening, but that's...

01:33:47.000 But, I mean, not really, because Al Capone's vault was a real vault.

01:33:50.000 True.

01:33:51.000 And who knows?

01:33:51.000 He could have got in there and then...

01:33:53.000 There could have been something innocuous, like old whiskey, or there could have been something cool, like a murder weapon.

01:33:58.000 Yeah.

01:33:58.000 I mean, who knows?

01:33:59.000 But...

01:33:59.000 But it's along the same lines as you want to be just like scientists.

01:34:03.000 We want to find something that's never been found before and name it after ourselves or a Ludvon or really cool scientists of the past and discover a new species or discover a new planet or send a fucking rocket to Mars.

01:34:15.000 We want to do that too.

01:34:17.000 But it's when you get into the idea of I want to do that and I want to take them down.

01:34:24.000 Mm-hmm.

01:34:55.000 Museums exist and we have actual dinosaurs.

01:34:57.000 I think they think the Earth is flat, but it's kind of got like a hump.

01:35:00.000 I think that's the thing.

01:35:01.000 I think there's like a little bit of a hump to the Earth.

01:35:03.000 I would like to make a very public challenge that any flat Earther advocate, if you show me a photo of Polaris with a timestamp and GPS coordinates of Australia...

01:35:17.000 I'll believe flat Earth.

01:35:18.000 What does that mean?

01:35:19.000 So, Polaris is the northern star.

01:35:21.000 If we think about a flat Earth...

01:35:23.000 Okay.

01:35:24.000 North Pole here, flat Earth, ice wall, blah, blah, blah.

01:35:27.000 Got it.

01:35:27.000 Polaris would be directly above the North Pole.

01:35:30.000 Right.

01:35:30.000 Australia would be over here.

01:35:32.000 Okay. 0.99

01:35:32.000 It would be able to look up and see Polaris at night all the fucking time. 0.99

01:35:36.000 If it was flat. 0.99

01:35:37.000 If it was flat.

01:35:39.000 Because it's a globe...

01:35:41.000 Because it's round and the poles are doing this. 1.00

01:35:44.000 Polaris is up here.

01:35:45.000 Hey, guess what? 0.99

01:35:45.000 You can't see through the fucking earth and see Polaris. 0.99

01:35:48.000 What is this, Jamie? 0.99

01:35:49.000 It's a version of the flat earth that they think might...

01:35:53.000 Who's they?

01:35:54.000 One of the flat earth theorists.

01:35:56.000 So this is what they think it is?

01:35:58.000 It's like a dip in the middle.

01:35:59.000 And if you go further out, it's a scoop.

01:36:02.000 So why would it be like a cigar ashtray?

01:36:05.000 This is what it is, like a cigar ashtray that's floating in the sky?

01:36:09.000 That's based on biblical, because you have the quote-unquote four corners of the earth held aloft by angels, your flat motion is through space.

01:36:16.000 Totally logical.

01:36:17.000 Yeah, you know, I... Where are the penguins?

01:36:20.000 Above or below?

01:36:21.000 All around.

01:36:22.000 All around.

01:36:23.000 But are they in the north or the south pole?

01:36:26.000 That's the problem.

01:36:27.000 So, yeah, um...

01:36:29.000 Pull up.

01:36:30.000 Oh, that's what it looks like?

01:36:31.000 That's one of them.

01:36:33.000 That's cool.

01:36:34.000 That's a good one.

01:36:35.000 That's a fun one.

01:36:36.000 It's like turtles all the way down.

01:36:37.000 It looks like a chocolate chip.

01:36:38.000 Yeah.

01:36:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:36:40.000 Okay.

01:36:41.000 Yeah, go.

01:36:41.000 So, okay, Flat Earthers, what's on the other side?

01:36:46.000 How come we can actually...

01:36:47.000 And they say no flights over the South Pole. 1.00

01:36:49.000 Bullshit. 1.00

01:36:50.000 There are. 1.00

01:36:51.000 There are absolutely flights over the ice continent.

01:36:53.000 It's like none of the travel times of aircraft work on a flat earth.

01:36:58.000 But is it disturbing to you?

01:36:59.000 Because it's disturbing to me that this was not an issue three years ago.

01:37:04.000 You never heard about this three years ago.

01:37:06.000 Then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, there's a bunch of people that... 1.00

01:37:10.000 If I make a tweet about the Flat Earth or mock something or put up a video, I will get hundreds and hundreds of fucking morons. 1.00

01:37:19.000 I know. 1.00

01:37:20.000 Yeah, you know, because you've gotten into it with them.

01:37:24.000 Sometimes I do it, and when I see you in there, I go, yes!

01:37:27.000 I know it, I know it.

01:37:28.000 And I know I can move away.

01:37:29.000 I'm waiting for the text message of like, hey Trev, check my feed.

01:37:34.000 I just let it happen, man.

01:37:36.000 If you want to look, it's up to you.

01:37:37.000 I don't want to bait you in.

01:37:38.000 No, I'm going to have to turn off notifications from you.

01:37:42.000 I love you, man, but wow.

01:37:44.000 I love you too, but it's fun to watch you squirm.

01:37:46.000 You get mad.

01:37:49.000 It's your business. 0.99

01:37:50.000 Yeah, science ignorance pisses me off. 0.91

01:37:52.000 Science denial irritates me. 0.54

01:37:54.000 What should?

01:37:54.000 It should.

01:37:55.000 Yeah, because, I'm sorry, you have no right to be stupid in the modern age. 1.00

01:38:00.000 You have all of the fucking answers in the palm of your hand. 1.00

01:38:03.000 What's that code? 1.00

01:38:04.000 Yeah, that's pretty dope.

01:38:05.000 What do you got there?

01:38:05.000 Oh, Hydra from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Hail Hydra?

01:38:09.000 You're a grown-up kid. 1.00

01:38:10.000 Fuck, dude. 1.00

01:38:11.000 No, dude. 1.00

01:38:12.000 Oh, shit, Twitter. 1.00

01:38:14.000 Wow. 1.00

01:38:14.000 How many notes? 1.00

01:38:15.000 I'm not even going to look at my notifications right there.

01:38:16.000 Don't even look.

01:38:16.000 They're getting mad right now.

01:38:17.000 Cobra and Decepticons?

01:38:18.000 Yeah.

01:38:19.000 Come on.

01:38:20.000 You're off the deep end.

01:38:20.000 I'm Gen X. I understand.

01:38:22.000 My license plate's Decepticon.

01:38:23.000 Wow.

01:38:24.000 All right.

01:38:24.000 Now people know.

01:38:25.000 That's fine.

01:38:26.000 I've posted pictures of it. 0.99

01:38:27.000 Flat Earth people are going to be absolutely fucking searching for you. 0.99

01:38:30.000 Go ahead. 0.99

01:38:30.000 Run my plates, come to my address, and present him with the truth. 0.99

01:38:35.000 Come to my address in East Hollywood.

01:38:37.000 Go ahead.

01:38:38.000 We're going to confront you with flat earth reality, bro.

01:38:41.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:38:41.000 You're a shill. 0.96

01:38:43.000 You're a flat earth shill. 0.92

01:38:45.000 A dinosaur shill.

01:38:46.000 What else?

01:38:47.000 Big Pharma, because vaccines are important.

01:38:50.000 Big Pharma shill. 1.00

01:38:54.000 I'm apparently an atheist shill, because creationism is bullshit. 1.00

01:38:59.000 What else? 0.99

01:39:00.000 A NASA shill for both moon hoaxing and Nibiru.

01:39:04.000 Yeah, so I freaked a lot of people out because when I got the sticker pack and all that from the Team Chemtrail guys, I also got patches and a challenge coin.

01:39:14.000 What's a challenge coin?

01:39:15.000 Like a military challenge coin.

01:39:17.000 They have it for Team Chemtrail, too.

01:39:19.000 On one side, it's this logo.

01:39:21.000 And the other one is, if you can't beat them, barium.

01:39:24.000 You know, the element barium that they think is in Chemtrails. 0.99

01:39:28.000 Yeah, so it's just one of those fun things because I like mocking the shit out of these people. 0.96

01:39:34.000 I had to interview one of those guys that made documentaries about it for and he was showing me proof. 0.97

01:39:40.000 He was like, what in the world they spraying those documentaries?

01:39:43.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:39:43.000 He had proof from this lab that he had gotten these tests of this water.

01:39:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:39:50.000 And the water, it was crazy because he was saying, you know, that this water shows proof that aluminum's in the water and they're spraying aluminum in the sky and then it lands in the water. 0.96

01:39:58.000 What he tested, and that has been debunked, Mick West has ripped that shit apart on Metabunk. 0.93

01:40:06.000 I debunked it right there and then. 1.00

01:40:08.000 Yeah, it was rain and aluminum exists in the fucking... 0.98

01:40:11.000 Well, not only that, what he tested was sludge. 0.99

01:40:14.000 Really?

01:40:15.000 The laboratory results said sludge.

01:40:17.000 Yeah.

01:40:18.000 So I said to him, I said, it says sludge.

01:40:20.000 He goes, no, I gave them water.

01:40:21.000 I go, okay.

01:40:21.000 But the lab says it's sludge.

01:40:24.000 That means it's an amalgam of sediments.

01:40:26.000 That means it's dirt.

01:40:26.000 Yeah.

01:40:26.000 So aluminum is one of the most common things that you can find in dirt.

01:40:31.000 Mm-hmm.

01:40:31.000 So your dirt tested positive for dirt, and you think that's proof of chemtrails.

01:40:37.000 Yeah.

01:40:37.000 And the dude was just like...

01:40:40.000 Yeah, just shut down.

01:40:41.000 I need to watch that one.

01:40:42.000 We can see him thinking, trying to find some way out of it that didn't exist.

01:40:46.000 I'm like, I'm trying to be open-minded here, but what you've done here is nonsense.

01:40:50.000 Yeah. 0.71

01:40:51.000 All of them are nonsense.

01:40:53.000 They find one tiny little fragment of something that fits in their... 1.00

01:41:00.000 Fucked up worldview and wrap their entire paradigm around it and they make videos and they make videos and then they Monitor the comments and delete anyone who disagrees with them or they are enforcing an echo chamber of Bullshit self-awareness. 1.00

01:41:16.000 I mean, yeah, you're not woke as fuck. 1.00

01:41:18.000 I'm sorry I love saying that though. 0.99

01:41:20.000 Well, yeah, no because there's a way There is a way to be woke as fuck. 0.98

01:41:25.000 Okay, please tell me how well Okay, look at you dude. 0.99

01:41:29.000 You're fit as you're fit as fuck you um the entire point of your podcast is you're Interviewing people because you want to know things you constantly look for information that is noble and you make informed decisions you You use substances to get into states. 0.97

01:41:47.000 You are healthy. 0.99

01:41:49.000 You work out.

01:41:50.000 And the entire fact, when you started doing commentary for UFC, you wanted to know what it was like.

01:41:55.000 So you started training.

01:41:56.000 You started working out.

01:41:57.000 You're embracing the ideal of learning. 1.00

01:42:01.000 That is woke as fuck. 0.99

01:42:03.000 You are having massive conversations with people about every conceivable topic. 1.00

01:42:09.000 That's woke.

01:42:10.000 Well, I appreciate that, but I gotta be honest, I secretly wish that Bigfoot was real.

01:42:15.000 That's okay.

01:42:15.000 I secretly wish that Nibiru was real.

01:42:18.000 That's fine.

01:42:19.000 I would be rooting for this lady with the chip in her head to be right. 1.00

01:42:22.000 Right, but that's why I'm doing that History Channel show, Doomsday.

01:42:26.000 We get questions like, hey, what would happen if an asteroid hits the planet that, like, the same size it killed the dinosaurs, if it hit right now?

01:42:35.000 Last week was the Rogue Planet episode.

01:42:37.000 What if a planet the size of Neptune rolls into the solar system on a collision course of Earth? 1.00

01:42:43.000 We're fucked. 1.00

01:42:43.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:42:44.000 Well, the first three episodes are we're fucked. 1.00

01:42:46.000 Asteroid, we're fucked. 1.00

01:42:47.000 Black hole, very fucked. 1.00

01:42:49.000 Neptune planet, super fucked. 1.00

01:42:51.000 What are we not fucked by? 1.00

01:42:52.000 What are people worried about that we don't have to worry about? 0.96

01:42:56.000 Possibly nuclear war, depends on the size of the war.

01:42:59.000 If it's like a low-yield one between a couple nations, yeah, you'll have millions if not billions of dead people.

01:43:05.000 Like India and Pakistan? 0.96

01:43:06.000 Yeah.

01:43:07.000 Or, you know, everybody in the state of Israel versus anybody like Iran that may have some... 0.58

01:43:14.000 That kind of thing.

01:43:15.000 Or North Korea and everybody else. 1.00

01:43:18.000 Depending on the scale, if it was like superpowers, like old school war games, fucking Cold War, Khrushchev, Kennedy shit, yeah, we're all screwed. 1.00

01:43:28.000 The whole planet. 1.00

01:43:29.000 Yeah, you're just...

01:43:29.000 You're done.

01:43:30.000 Population falls below 10,000 people.

01:43:33.000 We can no longer propagate the species. 1.00

01:43:35.000 We are fucked. 0.99

01:43:37.000 But if it's a low-yield one, yeah, millions, maybe a billion people will die. 1.00

01:43:41.000 Then you've got the fallout.

01:43:42.000 Then you've got the possibility of winter.

01:43:43.000 And then you have the possibility of things like radioactive rainfall and all that.

01:43:47.000 But there's a possibility we could survive.

01:43:51.000 Maybe we can adapt.

01:43:52.000 We're pretty good at adapting.

01:43:54.000 That's the cool thing about humans.

01:43:56.000 We are tool-using primates. 0.88

01:43:58.000 If I was Hillary Clinton, I'd be looking to bomb people right now. 1.00

01:44:01.000 I'd be like, this is it.

01:44:02.000 Low-yield.

01:44:04.000 That's how we do it.

01:44:04.000 Low-yield war.

01:44:07.000 I like what he's saying.

01:44:08.000 I'm not a fan of the whole idea of war or nuke war or anything like that, but I understand the basis behind deterrence.

01:44:17.000 Well, it works.

01:44:18.000 It has worked.

01:44:19.000 It's worked since Oppenheimer.

01:44:21.000 That's the problem with war in general.

01:44:23.000 War works. 0.96

01:44:24.000 Yeah.

01:44:24.000 It's not ineffective.

01:44:25.000 It's not like we're going to go to war and everybody dies and everyone gets diseased and civilization crumbles.

01:44:30.000 No.

01:44:31.000 You can make some advances.

01:44:32.000 Yeah.

01:44:32.000 Only on completely lopsided wars like genocide in Rwanda or genocide in Croatia or genocide in Turkey.

01:44:42.000 Things like that.

01:44:44.000 Those are horribly lopsided or, I don't know, World War II, what he all decided to do to...

01:44:51.000 Wow.

01:44:52.000 I won't even say his name.

01:44:54.000 The Hitler guy? 0.92

01:44:55.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:44:56.000 Will you say Trump's name or you won't say Hitler's name?

01:44:59.000 Do you think they're the same?

01:45:01.000 Not yet, but...

01:45:02.000 Yeah, it's like, I wonder if he'll sue me, but hey, Trump, you're a demagogue.

01:45:08.000 Oh.

01:45:09.000 Read the ninth book of Plato's Republic.

01:45:12.000 You are basically illustrated in it, and you are the most unfit person to ever run for president, and that includes dudes like Deez Nuts and all of that. 1.00

01:45:23.000 You're a fucking joke. 1.00

01:45:25.000 But who's Deez Nuts on a real guy, right? 1.00

01:45:28.000 Deez Nuts?

01:45:29.000 Is that a real guy?

01:45:29.000 There was some guy that named himself Deez Nuts and said, I'm running for president and all that.

01:45:34.000 Or the time cube guy ran for president once. 0.99

01:45:37.000 I'm hoping that what's going to go on with this election is that Trump is so ridiculous that a guy like him got so far with as much baggage as he has, as much skeletons in the closet, as much not paying taxes, fucking over small businesses, 0.99

01:45:53.000 small contractors that work with him. 1.00

01:45:57.000 The bankruptcies, all the craziness, all the pussy-grabbing, all that... 1.00

01:46:01.000 I can't fucking believe that. 0.99

01:46:03.000 So over-the-top, off-the-deep-end crazy that I wonder if, like, maybe this will be the birth of a more competent form of government. 0.97

01:46:18.000 Like, slowly but surely, this battleship will make some turns because of what we've seen here.

01:46:23.000 I think so, because...

01:46:27.000 Interesting, like, Billy Bush is leaving the Today Show because of those comments in the video, yet Trump is still running for president.

01:46:32.000 Well, Billy Bush didn't say anything, and he's getting $10 million.

01:46:37.000 Yeah.

01:46:37.000 You hear that?

01:46:38.000 Yeah.

01:46:38.000 How is that?

01:46:39.000 He donated it already, he said.

01:46:40.000 Why?

01:46:41.000 Because women were hating him already.

01:46:44.000 Why are they hating him?

01:46:44.000 Listen.

01:46:45.000 Let me tell you something, ladies. 0.99

01:46:47.000 As much as I deplore anything that Donald Trump said in that video about pussy grabbing and all that crap, if I was on the bus with him, and it was just me and Donald, and we didn't think we were being recorded, and he started talking crazy like that, 0.99

01:47:02.000 I'd let him go. 1.00

01:47:04.000 I'd let him go.

01:47:05.000 I wouldn't check him.

01:47:05.000 You know why I wouldn't check him?

01:47:06.000 Because it's not my responsibility.

01:47:08.000 Alright? 0.88

01:47:08.000 And he's talking crazy. 0.88

01:47:10.000 And when people are talking crazy, sometimes I want to hear.

01:47:12.000 If someone wants to tell me that they've been abducted by aliens, they've traveled back through time, and their DNA is being propagated on other planets, and the reason why is because they're from a select group of humans that have existed since the beginning of time, and that their DNA,

01:47:27.000 even though it looks like everybody else's, is different, I'll let that guy talk. 1.00

01:47:30.000 Just like I'll let this pussy grab an asshole talk. 1.00

01:47:34.000 He's not responsible. 1.00

01:47:35.000 He's a fucking host of a television show. 1.00

01:47:37.000 He's sitting next to a crazy man who's talking about grabbing pussies. 1.00

01:47:41.000 You just gotta let that guy talk. 1.00

01:47:43.000 For them to fire him for that, or be mad at him for that...

01:47:49.000 A little heavy-handed, but...

01:47:51.000 Oh, he's definitely...

01:47:51.000 Well, he...

01:47:52.000 Him, yes.

01:47:53.000 Yeah.

01:47:53.000 But I'm saying the Billy Bush guy...

01:47:55.000 Yeah, no, no, that's what I'm saying.

01:47:57.000 He didn't do anything.

01:47:58.000 But the thing is, I'm the kind of person that would check that.

01:48:02.000 Would you?

01:48:03.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:48:03.000 Would you step in and go, hey man, don't pussy grab. 0.98

01:48:05.000 Oh, dude, okay. 0.98

01:48:07.000 But you want to hear him talk, though? 0.98

01:48:08.000 He's so crazy. 0.81

01:48:09.000 Wouldn't you want to hear him keep running? 0.94

01:48:10.000 No. 1.00

01:48:12.000 No, those people need to shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:48:14.000 Well, I'm a centrist. 1.00

01:48:15.000 I'm a registered independent voter.

01:48:16.000 I'm a centrist.

01:48:17.000 I'm an equalitist.

01:48:18.000 It's like, I was gunning for McCain for a while.

01:48:22.000 Until Palin came along?

01:48:23.000 Yeah, and then he had his weird little meltdown, and I'm like, no.

01:48:26.000 No.

01:48:27.000 Hey now, oh yeah, don't you know?

01:48:29.000 Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.

01:48:31.000 I can see Russia from my porch. 0.76

01:48:34.000 She didn't actually say that, right?

01:48:36.000 That was an SNL thing, right?

01:48:37.000 She kind of said she could see Russia.

01:48:40.000 Wow.

01:48:41.000 Yeah, I mean, she was kind of talking about it.

01:48:43.000 I always thought that was like a Tina Fey like SNL thing and then they like it ran into and it became that whole that whole deal.

01:48:51.000 She was wonderful.

01:48:53.000 She was wonderful because she was like the first example of this anti-intellectualism on display but other than Bush of course but running for president running to be the king of the world and like being one of us being one of us right we're all together the working-class folks the blue-collar Joe lunchbox Yeah, 0.59

01:49:13.000 and all the cosplay-triots got right behind that.

01:49:16.000 And all those, you know, Gears of War, Medal of Honor playing motherfuckers that have like AR-15s and like, yeah, we're going to go take over a wildlife reserve up in Oregon and all that. 0.97

01:49:30.000 These are the people that are behind Trump right now. 0.95

01:49:32.000 Yeah, that Oregon stuff was very confusing.

01:49:35.000 I had to really pay attention to what's going on with that.

01:49:38.000 You have to pay to use federal land to graze your cattle on.

01:49:42.000 They didn't want to pay.

01:49:44.000 It's our land.

01:49:45.000 It's the United States government.

01:49:47.000 The entire United States people own that land.

01:49:51.000 Yes, and the BLM is the recognized authority in order to monitor that land.

01:49:57.000 And the BLM is one of the lowest paid So they need those licenses and fines and all that in order to function and in order to do things like build fencing and allow places like all the national parks and BLM land and all that in order for us to enjoy that.

01:50:16.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:50:17.000 It was a very confusing argument.

01:50:18.000 The argument that they should be able to graze for free was very strange.

01:50:23.000 Yeah, it's like...

01:50:23.000 How are you not...

01:50:24.000 Why should you not be able to pay your way? 1.00

01:50:27.000 Because they're the weird constitutionalist sovereign citizen shit. 0.99

01:50:31.000 It didn't make any sense. 1.00

01:50:32.000 You're looking at the federal lands.

01:50:35.000 They are, without a doubt, a national resource, right?

01:50:37.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:50:37.000 Federal parks, it's a resource.

01:50:39.000 And in those resources, you're going to have...

01:50:42.000 Food for animals, and this is what these animals are grazing on.

01:50:46.000 Well, that also gets in the way of all these other wild animals that we protect, like buffalo, like the American bison.

01:50:52.000 They need those.

01:50:53.000 And here's what's really crazy about it.

01:50:55.000 They're killing bison in large numbers, and they're culling them in Yellowstone.

01:51:01.000 And one of the reasons why is because they will escape.

01:51:03.000 They will leave the park's borders and go into these areas where traditionally cattle have grazed.

01:51:09.000 And they're so big and so robust that they sort of devastate these areas, and then it affects the cattle market.

01:51:16.000 Paleontology came across that too.

01:51:19.000 Did you?

01:51:19.000 We think that a couple researchers have considered that the expanse of the antique bison, bison antiquus, and the longhorn bison, pison latifrons, When they came across the Bering Sea and got into North America with the recession of the glaciers,

01:51:37.000 they out-competed mammoths, they out-competed a lot of natural grazing herbivores because they eat faster, they're larger, they breed quicker, they can basically terraform an area of, they can eat saplings from trees and grass.

01:51:55.000 They can drink mud and get hydrated.

01:51:57.000 These are amazing, well-evolved creatures and well-adapted to that environment.

01:52:02.000 They got into the perfect environment to just go.

01:52:05.000 And that's why we didn't have any native horses.

01:52:08.000 We didn't have any native elephants anymore and all that.

01:52:11.000 The bison out-competed.

01:52:12.000 So what you're saying, absolutely.

01:52:14.000 The bison rolls into cattle grazing land. 0.99

01:52:17.000 It's going to fucking take over. 0.99

01:52:19.000 And the thing is, you can actually mate bison buffalo and cows. 0.99

01:52:24.000 You can have beefalos.

01:52:25.000 Yeah, it's amazing to me that they didn't embrace the bison as more of a domestic animal in that sense because it's so much more robust than a cow.

01:52:34.000 I mean, obviously cows are great and everything like that, but you can't tell me that bison meat doesn't taste great.

01:52:39.000 No, it's way leaner.

01:52:41.000 It's awesome.

01:52:41.000 Yeah, it's fantastic.

01:52:43.000 It's higher in protein.

01:52:45.000 And especially if they're grazing on grass, they're not grain-fed.

01:52:50.000 It's higher in omega-3s and 6s.

01:52:52.000 It's better for you.

01:52:53.000 It's...

01:52:54.000 But we fucked that all up in the 1800s with overhunting a bison and near extinction and all of that.

01:52:58.000 Market hunting.

01:52:59.000 That's what they did.

01:53:00.000 And sometimes they would leave giant piles of them just for their tongues. 0.98

01:53:03.000 They would just take their tongues and kill them for that.

01:53:05.000 And hides and a bunch of different things.

01:53:08.000 Yeah, they did a number on them in the 1800s.

01:53:11.000 It's pretty amazing.

01:53:12.000 There's that shot in Dances with Wolves, that old Costner flick, where they come over the hill and obviously the white man was here.

01:53:19.000 Because there's just skinned buffalo carcasses, as far as I can see, because they were just going for the pelts.

01:53:24.000 Because the pelts were selling that season.

01:53:26.000 Yeah, it's dark, man.

01:53:27.000 It's dark when you consider what they did to all the different animals on the plains. 0.89

01:53:31.000 It's pretty fucking incredible. 0.85

01:53:33.000 The impact that human beings had in such a short period of time. 0.96

01:53:38.000 The impact we're having on the environment now in such a short period of time. 0.98

01:53:42.000 It's fucking crazy. 0.99

01:53:43.000 It's like, we need to become more responsible with figuring out what the fuck we are doing. 0.99

01:53:48.000 Are you aware of the American Serengeti Project? 0.96

01:53:51.000 No.

01:53:52.000 They're trying to buy up giant chunks of private land in the Montana, Wyoming area, and they're trying to build a park even larger than Yellowstone.

01:54:05.000 And what they're trying to do is sort of have it this national park where there's a robust supply of bison, wolves...

01:54:18.000 Coyotes, all these different things, and they're spending a lot of money, and they're also running block management on it, which means they're going to open it up to hunters as well.

01:54:28.000 And they're trying to take these areas of private land, buy them up, and then slowly convert it into a gigantic public park.

01:54:38.000 That they think, you know, as far as like with the animals that have survived, that will in some way mimic the original, what they call American Serengeti. 0.80

01:54:48.000 That would be fucking cool. 0.69

01:54:49.000 It's pretty interesting. 0.97

01:54:50.000 There's a guy named...

01:54:51.000 Oh, neat.

01:54:54.000 Preserve, the idea of it.

01:54:55.000 The only question I would have for them is...

01:55:00.000 Right.

01:55:05.000 Right.

01:55:17.000 Yeah.

01:55:36.000 That's true.

01:55:37.000 I think what they're trying to do is they're looking at what happened in Africa.

01:55:41.000 Like, in Africa, instead of large-scale agriculture the way we've embraced that in the United States, for most people, they think about food, you know, they go to the store, they go to the grocery store, they go to the vegetable aisle, they get their food.

01:55:55.000 Right.

01:55:55.000 But very few people actually go to visit these enormous swaths of land that have been converted to large-scale agriculture.

01:56:03.000 Right.

01:56:03.000 And we think of large-scale agriculture, large-scale ag-gag laws that refer to factory farming and things along those lines.

01:56:12.000 We don't think of factory farming in terms of vegetables, but even that itself has had a devastating effect on On different parts of this country where it's just the soil has been completely depleted of minerals.

01:56:24.000 It needs to be constantly replenished with exogenous minerals every day.

01:56:28.000 But when you look at what they did in Africa, they sort of decided to take these parks and convert them into these enormous wildlife preserves.

01:56:37.000 And so these animals exist more or less in a very similar state to the way they've done thousands of years ago.

01:56:43.000 Like the Okavango Delta Reserve and all that.

01:56:45.000 That's rad.

01:56:47.000 But are they importing animals into it?

01:56:49.000 Yeah, see, I don't know what they're gonna do as far as bring in animals, but what they've done in terms of, you know, like what they've done in Yellowstone when they brought in wolves.

01:56:58.000 I'll say, although this region was once known for its abundance of wildlife, current wildlife populations are greatly diminished.

01:57:16.000 Yeah, I don't like...

01:57:33.000 Tolerance for wildlife.

01:57:34.000 It's like, I'm sorry if you're ranching near a thing like that you should be tolerant of wildlife.

01:57:39.000 Well, the problem is if it interferes on their private land.

01:57:46.000 Like, that's where it gets weird, right? 0.99

01:57:47.000 There's not a fucking fence alive that can keep a buffalo out. 1.00

01:57:50.000 Oh, hell no. 1.00

01:57:51.000 If it wants to go, it's going through.

01:57:52.000 So this idea that you're going to put up a fence and then somehow or another lush green grass is going to be safe from buffalo.

01:57:59.000 Mmm, not really. 0.99

01:58:00.000 They're just going to fucking headbutt that fence. 0.99

01:58:03.000 Says bison restoration. 0.99

01:58:04.000 They've reintroduced bison in 2005 after a 120-year absence.

01:58:08.000 Hmm, interesting.

01:58:09.000 Yeah, so they are re-importing animals.

01:58:13.000 So how are the 120-year absence bison over the last 11 years impacting the cougar, the swift fox, the pronghorn, the black-footed ferrets, the grassland birds, all that that's like...

01:58:26.000 I want to know more before I would sign off on something like that.

01:58:30.000 How many bison did you introduce?

01:58:33.000 What is their propagation?

01:58:35.000 What is their current gestation rate?

01:58:37.000 What is their current birth to death ratio?

01:58:40.000 How are they impacting A place that they haven't been for 120 years.

01:58:46.000 120 years for a lot of animal species is a very short amount of time.

01:58:49.000 For others, it's just the right amount of time to start really adapting to an environment and establishing an entirely new predator-prey relationship with things there. 0.98

01:58:58.000 All of a sudden, you put in this monstrous fucking three-ton cow beast That could screw a lot of things up. 0.97

01:59:07.000 Yeah, I mean, they require a lot of food, a lot of resources. 0.99

01:59:11.000 And we've seen what happens when they've done things like this, well, particularly with wolves in Yellowstone.

01:59:17.000 It's been really fascinating to see what the impact it's had on animals and how the animals have sort of shifted where they live and behave.

01:59:25.000 It's so cool, but it's also like, man, what a cautionary tale.

01:59:30.000 We're kind of like playing creator in a lot of ways by introducing these things.

01:59:34.000 We have a big debate going on that right now in paleontology.

01:59:38.000 The whole cloning deal.

01:59:40.000 Cloning woolly mammoths and all that.

01:59:43.000 Where do you stand on that?

01:59:45.000 I kind of stand on more of an empirical area that, as of now, we have not discovered viable enough material in order to clone something.

01:59:56.000 The technology is not there.

01:59:58.000 I have talked to, while I was in Siberia a couple years ago, I talked to some of the leading geneticists from South Korea, like In Sung Lang and all those guys, and they're saying maybe 50 years, because...

02:00:12.000 The way the cloning has to happen, we have to find viable DNA, a complete individual genome, plant that into, for woolly mammoths specifically, plant that into the nearest living relative, which is the Asian elephant.

02:00:25.000 That means we have to harvest an egg from a female Asian elephant, which is difficult to do. 0.99

02:00:30.000 We would have to harvest many eggs because Dolly the sheep had like 870 some odd tries before 12 stuck and one was born.

02:00:42.000 Trying to do that with elephants. 0.59

02:00:44.000 They go into must every like for three days out of a year or something like that.

02:00:47.000 I don't know the specifics.

02:00:49.000 But that's a huge monumental task to do by itself.

02:00:53.000 I've seen woolly mammoth carcasses.

02:00:54.000 I've looked at them under biological microscopes.

02:00:57.000 I've taken tissue to have put into scanning electron microscopes.

02:01:00.000 We've looked for viable DNA, have not found any fragments.

02:01:04.000 Sure, but not in the entire thing of the genome.

02:01:08.000 This animal went extinct.

02:01:10.000 This animal went extinct possibly with human interaction.

02:01:13.000 We're not quite sure yet, but definitely through an inability to adapt to a changing climate.

02:01:18.000 This is the perfect example, if humans were not involved, of natural selection.

02:01:24.000 This animal could not live in the environment anymore.

02:01:28.000 That being said, Should we establish the Pleistocene Park in Siberia and clone woolly mammoths?

02:01:36.000 I don't think so.

02:01:37.000 I think this technology would be better used, and not being a genetics expert or geneticist at all, I think it would be better used for actual human interactive deaths, dodos, MOA, Tasmanian tigers, passenger pigeons,

02:01:54.000 things we have Specimens of now that would be easier to do, like they're working on passenger pigeons right now with the, I think it's the three-barred pigeon, maybe just the bard pigeon.

02:02:06.000 Genetics Twitter, correct me on that.

02:02:09.000 But what is important about bringing back that pigeon?

02:02:12.000 I mean, obviously there's a principle because we're responsible, human beings are, for their demise.

02:02:17.000 I think that's it.

02:02:19.000 That's it? 0.99

02:02:20.000 Maybe it's the idea of, wow, we fucked up. 0.82

02:02:23.000 Right, but hasn't 90% of everything that's ever been alive dead? 0.96

02:02:27.000 Oh yeah, yeah.

02:02:28.000 Like 90, 95% of every single species that has ever been on the planet in four and a half billion years is extinct.

02:02:35.000 Right, so where do we stop?

02:02:36.000 Like, why bring back the dodo bird and the Tasmanian tiger and not the woolly mammoth?

02:02:40.000 Because...

02:02:42.000 The dinosaurs, the early placental mammals, Tiktaalik, all of that going way back in time, and things like the woolly mammoth or the saber-toothed cat, or the steppe mammoth, or the stegomacedon or macedons.

02:03:02.000 Yeah.

02:03:18.000 We are responsible for the extinction of the golden frog, the passenger pigeon.

02:03:23.000 Poor golden frog. 0.99

02:03:24.000 I miss it.

02:03:25.000 They're cute.

02:03:26.000 I don't even know they existed.

02:03:28.000 My life would not be impacted one way or another.

02:03:30.000 Would it?

02:03:31.000 Probably not.

02:03:32.000 But is it smart to bring them back?

02:03:35.000 Do you think that the world around them, the natural world, has adapted to them being extinct, and we should just leave well enough alone?

02:03:42.000 That could be the same argument as I was making against the bison.

02:03:46.000 You're absolutely right.

02:03:47.000 I think about all the money that would...

02:03:48.000 Have to be spent to bring back the dodo bird. 1.00

02:03:51.000 I personally say fuck the dodo bird. 1.00

02:03:54.000 I don't miss them. 1.00

02:03:55.000 There's plenty of cool birds. 1.00

02:03:57.000 They can go fuck themselves. 1.00

02:03:58.000 Yeah, I mean, we have things like African shoebills and stuff like that. 1.00

02:04:02.000 Come on, man. 1.00

02:04:02.000 Shoebills are the shit. 1.00

02:04:03.000 They're like one of my all-time favorite animals. 1.00

02:04:05.000 Cassowaries win, man. 1.00

02:04:07.000 Cassowaries are fucking dinosaur. 1.00

02:04:08.000 What's a cassowary? 1.00

02:04:09.000 Cassowaries are the...

02:04:10.000 How do you spell it?

02:04:11.000 C-A-S-S-O-W-A-R-Y. Is that like a shoebill? 1.00

02:04:14.000 No, it's scarier.

02:04:16.000 Ooh, scarier than a shoebill.

02:04:18.000 It's basically this really cool-looking, semi-flightless bird. 1.00

02:04:20.000 Oh, look at that fucking freak. 1.00

02:04:22.000 That is an ostrich, bro. 1.00

02:04:24.000 Close.

02:04:25.000 No, we want the one with the head crest.

02:04:29.000 Yep.

02:04:30.000 Oh, whoa.

02:04:31.000 Now Google, Cassowary attack.

02:04:34.000 See, but that's not as cool as a shoebill.

02:04:36.000 They're beautiful, and they're pretty, and everything like that, but...

02:04:39.000 Shoebills have the cool bill. 1.00

02:04:41.000 Shoebills have a goddamn hatchet on their face. 1.00

02:04:43.000 These have those, like, raptor claws. 1.00

02:04:47.000 What they do when they attack, they kick up and try and disembowel you.

02:04:51.000 Yep, there we go.

02:04:52.000 Oh, this guy's coming at it with a board.

02:04:54.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:04:55.000 It's like you will get owned by a gas whore. 1.00

02:04:59.000 And they're big, man. 1.00

02:05:00.000 How big are they?

02:05:01.000 You know, they're decent sized.

02:05:03.000 They're like pushing six feet.

02:05:05.000 1926, what happened?

02:05:07.000 16-year-old Philip McLean, did he get jacked?

02:05:09.000 Yep.

02:05:10.000 He got killed?

02:05:11.000 Yeah.

02:05:12.000 Third tallest, second heaviest bird.

02:05:14.000 Whoa.

02:05:14.000 Yeah, look at those feet and claws, man.

02:05:16.000 The feet on those fucking things. 1.00

02:05:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:05:17.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:05:19.000 They've run 49 miles an hour.

02:05:21.000 They're 4.9 feet tall.

02:05:22.000 Oh, look at those claws. 0.90

02:05:24.000 Those are horrific, man.

02:05:25.000 Yeah.

02:05:26.000 Whoa.

02:05:27.000 They're trippy, dude.

02:05:29.000 And look, hey, that's like a T-Rex foot. 0.84

02:05:31.000 That is a theropod foot.

02:05:32.000 You gotta get them in a heel hook. 1.00

02:05:34.000 That's the key.

02:05:35.000 The key is you gotta get a hand on one of the bottom of one of the feet, like the ankle, like right where it meets the foot.

02:05:42.000 You get a hand on one, and then you stay on the outside.

02:05:45.000 And then you want to butterfly hook the other side and just snap that leg. 0.89

02:05:49.000 I don't think they would even know how to defend. 0.98

02:05:51.000 They probably have a shitty defense. 0.99

02:05:52.000 They'd probably try to peck at you. 0.99

02:05:54.000 You know, that's not gonna help.

02:05:55.000 What a weird animal.

02:05:57.000 Yeah.

02:05:57.000 But a shoebill's cooler.

02:05:58.000 Shit, sorry. 1.00

02:05:58.000 Okay, they do look cooler for the head, and they can like... 1.00

02:06:02.000 The eyes, too. 1.00

02:06:03.000 They have those fucking evil raptor eyes. 1.00

02:06:05.000 And they can totally just like knack you with that... 1.00

02:06:08.000 Yeah, look at that fucker. 1.00

02:06:09.000 Yeah, it's like... 1.00

02:06:10.000 Look at that fucker. 1.00

02:06:11.000 One of my favorite videos online is a shoebill, which is this fucking dinosaur bird... 1.00

02:06:17.000 Eats this snakehead fish, which is this fish that can figure out how to get out of the water and walk to the next pond. 1.00

02:06:25.000 So this prehistoric fucking creepy-ass bird kills this prehistoric creepy-ass fish that can walk on land. 0.99

02:06:33.000 Like, literally, it's a walking transitionary fossil. 1.00

02:06:36.000 It is fucking walking on land. 1.00

02:06:39.000 It's a crazy video, man. 1.00

02:06:41.000 Is this it?

02:06:42.000 Maybe.

02:06:45.000 They're so creepy looking, too.

02:06:47.000 They're just so heartless.

02:06:48.000 Back during the age of mammals, post-dinosaur, we had things called terror birds down in South America.

02:06:57.000 We were talking about those yesterday.

02:06:58.000 Yeah, like eight, ten feet tall. 0.99

02:07:00.000 Giant flightless birds with huge fucking battle axes for faces. 0.99

02:07:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:07:06.000 It's like, so, here we go.

02:07:07.000 It's conversion evolution, but a smaller one.

02:07:09.000 That's a small terror bird.

02:07:10.000 And they were predatory monsters just running around jacking things.

02:07:14.000 They're not flightless, though, are they?

02:07:16.000 I don't know if they are.

02:07:17.000 They don't look like it, right?

02:07:18.000 I don't believe so.

02:07:19.000 It is kind of amazing when you find out how many different animals existed In North America alone, just 10,000 years ago.

02:07:29.000 Camels started here?

02:07:30.000 Camels!

02:07:31.000 Yeah.

02:07:31.000 All dogs.

02:07:32.000 Yeah.

02:07:33.000 I'm reading Coyote America by Dan Flores.

02:07:36.000 I wanted to read that, yeah. 0.99

02:07:37.000 It's fucking great. 0.99

02:07:38.000 It's crazy. 1.00

02:07:40.000 What a crazy animal a coyote is, by the way. 0.88

02:07:42.000 It's nuts.

02:07:43.000 He's coming on the podcast, I think he's going to be here in January, whenever he's in town.

02:07:48.000 Oh, that's cool.

02:07:48.000 Yeah.

02:07:49.000 If you want to listen to him, too, he's on the Meat Eater podcast with Steve Rinella.

02:07:54.000 Maybe six, eight months ago they did a podcast together.

02:07:58.000 I've listened to it three or four times.

02:07:59.000 It's amazing.

02:08:00.000 Right on.

02:08:01.000 Horses.

02:08:02.000 Horses started here and went extinct here and made it all across the rest of the world.

02:08:07.000 And then were brought here by Spanish settlers.

02:08:09.000 That's...

02:08:09.000 Yeah.

02:08:10.000 They were brought back.

02:08:11.000 Yeah.

02:08:11.000 And then now, they're everywhere.

02:08:13.000 There's wild horses, thousands of them, tens of thousands, all throughout the Southwest.

02:08:17.000 Yeah, it's really cool things like that.

02:08:20.000 Yeah.

02:08:20.000 And when the Isthmus of Panama, when Panama rose up and connected the two continents together, you had just this awesome transition of life, like llamas and birds and big cats and that back and forth.

02:08:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:08:35.000 Just great shit. 0.99

02:08:36.000 That's also why the pronghorn antelope is so fast. 0.99

02:08:39.000 They're so much faster than anything that could catch it today because they lived and they evolved in a time where there was like cheetah-like cats.

02:08:47.000 Yeah, morassinonyx, the American cheetah.

02:08:49.000 The badass.

02:08:51.000 And beyond that, everybody's like, oh, we had cheetahs and we had...

02:08:54.000 We had lions that were bigger than African lions.

02:08:57.000 Panthera atrox.

02:08:58.000 Half a ton of angry cats.

02:09:00.000 Thousand pounds!

02:09:01.000 Yeah, eight, nine thousand pounds.

02:09:03.000 Jesus!

02:09:05.000 I mean, everybody's like, oh, well, you know, saber-toothed cat.

02:09:09.000 It's not tiger, it's cat, by the way.

02:09:12.000 That's just rote from working at the tar pits for five years.

02:09:15.000 What color were they?

02:09:17.000 Do we know?

02:09:17.000 We don't know, but we can guess that they were, because they had short tails, they were ambush predators.

02:09:23.000 Because of the environments we find them in, likely they had a longer coat.

02:09:28.000 It was countershaded, maybe with some sort of barring or reticulated pattern in order to blend in.

02:09:33.000 Think like a really big, scary bobcat.

02:09:35.000 Oh, okay.

02:09:36.000 Somebody tried to tell me that a bobcat and a mountain lion were the same thing.

02:09:40.000 What?

02:09:41.000 Yeah, I was like, what?

02:09:42.000 No, a mountain lion and a cougar and a puma are all the same.

02:09:45.000 It's a puma conchalore.

02:09:46.000 Yeah.

02:09:47.000 Pumas and mountain lions are the same thing.

02:09:49.000 This guy was trying to say that a bobcat was the same thing because I was saying that I saw a bobcat and its cubs recently.

02:09:56.000 And I thought it was a mountain lion because I saw it for like a second, like not even a second, like a half a second.

02:10:02.000 My friend saw it before me.

02:10:03.000 I turned to see it and it was a mama with her cubs. 0.78

02:10:06.000 And my brain, when they said a cat, my brain was like, oh, they must meet a mountain lion.

02:10:11.000 So like in my mind, the half of a second I saw it, I had seen a mountain lion baby.

02:10:16.000 But it was actually a bobcat.

02:10:18.000 Yeah.

02:10:18.000 And this guy was like, well, they're the same thing.

02:10:20.000 I was like, the fuck they are? 0.99

02:10:21.000 No, not even close. 1.00

02:10:23.000 It's not like a wolf and a coyote. 1.00

02:10:25.000 A wolf can fuck a coyote. 1.00

02:10:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:10:27.000 And they can make babies. 1.00

02:10:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:10:28.000 Like a coyote can fuck a dog. 1.00

02:10:30.000 We're all, everything is a wolf. 1.00

02:10:31.000 Yeah.

02:10:31.000 All those things, all those wild canids, they're all interchangeable because they are all wolves.

02:10:36.000 There are only a few of the Canis genus that cannot do that.

02:10:40.000 I think it's- Which ones?

02:10:42.000 One of the- Actually, no.

02:10:44.000 Jackals?

02:10:44.000 Yeah, there's a jackal.

02:10:46.000 I think the blackback, maybe the blackback jackal.

02:10:50.000 God, I used to know this because I would throw this at creationists all the time.

02:10:55.000 Because they're like, oh, you know, it's the same kind. 1.00

02:10:57.000 It's like, well, these can't fuck these. 1.00

02:10:58.000 There you go. 1.00

02:11:00.000 But, like, African spotted dogs are a totally different genus.

02:11:03.000 Absolutely, 100% totally different genus.

02:11:06.000 They're part of the canid family, but they cannot breed with anything else.

02:11:09.000 So can they breed and make a hybrid, like a liger?

02:11:12.000 Nope.

02:11:12.000 Not even?

02:11:12.000 Nope, not even close.

02:11:13.000 That's interesting.

02:11:14.000 Yeah.

02:11:15.000 But the biological definition of species does kind of break down because it depends whether it's an environmental species or if it's a genealogical species. 0.99

02:11:23.000 Look at that fucker. 1.00

02:11:23.000 Yeah! 1.00

02:11:24.000 Woo! 0.99

02:11:25.000 What a face on him, man.

02:11:26.000 They're rad.

02:11:27.000 Look at those big ears. 0.59

02:11:28.000 Perfect for just tracking stuff.

02:11:30.000 Whoa. 1.00

02:11:30.000 Now, has any asshole tried to take an African wild dog like that and turn into a pet? 1.00

02:11:35.000 I have no idea. 1.00

02:11:36.000 Must be, right?

02:11:37.000 Maybe.

02:11:38.000 African hunting dog?

02:11:41.000 I don't know.

02:11:42.000 Wild-looking dog, man.

02:11:44.000 They look so wild.

02:11:45.000 The coloration of them is so dynamic.

02:11:49.000 Yeah, but if you look at that pattern, you've got lights and darks, and look at the material behind it.

02:11:55.000 Look at the grasses.

02:11:56.000 Oh, yeah, they blend in.

02:11:57.000 Yeah.

02:11:58.000 They're literally like walking ASAP camo.

02:12:00.000 Right?

02:12:01.000 Yeah.

02:12:02.000 Like, Jamie, go back up to that one with the teeth open, that picture you just showed.

02:12:05.000 Look at that.

02:12:06.000 Like, that pattern.

02:12:07.000 Yeah.

02:12:08.000 I mean, that is a perfect predator pattern.

02:12:10.000 They sort of blend into the background, especially from a distance.

02:12:13.000 If they're not moving, because most animals, they pick up outlines, and then they pick up movement.

02:12:20.000 Yeah.

02:12:20.000 And if the outline stops moving, it disappears.

02:12:24.000 Yeah.

02:12:24.000 Especially with a cryptic coloration like that.

02:12:27.000 Yeah.

02:12:27.000 It's just incredible that natural selection has led them to have those kind of coats.

02:12:32.000 Well, here in Southern California, we have two different kinds of snakes.

02:12:38.000 Actually, it's the same species, but they have totally different color patterns.

02:12:41.000 The California kingsnake.

02:12:43.000 The white and black ones that you see, they're either banded or striped.

02:12:47.000 The banded ones, the ones with the horizontal across their bodies, they tend to stay curled up underneath bushes in the desert.

02:12:56.000 So as they're white and black, yeah, there we go. 0.95

02:13:00.000 So the banded ones like that, they stay curled under trees because as the sunlight is coming through, it's creating bands across the earth so they blend in.

02:13:12.000 The striped ones move more so the shadows are longer.

02:13:17.000 Wow.

02:13:18.000 Yeah, it's really trippy. 1.00

02:13:19.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:13:19.000 Now, how the fuck does that happen without Jesus? 1.00

02:13:23.000 You explain me. 0.99

02:13:24.000 This is proof positive, just like the banana.

02:13:27.000 The atheist nightmare. 1.00

02:13:28.000 The banana.

02:13:29.000 Oh, Ray Comfort's banana.

02:13:30.000 Yeah.

02:13:31.000 Oh, yeah.

02:13:33.000 This is proof positive as well.

02:13:36.000 The Lord works in mysterious ways.

02:13:38.000 Ray, I'm sorry you ever did that.

02:13:40.000 I'm happy he did it, and I'm happy that the other dude was right next to him smiling like it made sense.

02:13:45.000 Kirk Cameron?

02:13:46.000 Yeah, Kirk Cameron. 1.00

02:13:47.000 Just fighting off the urge to suck a cock with every ounce of his body. 1.00

02:13:51.000 Just fighting off the gay like it's a horde of angry zombies coming over a hill. 1.00

02:13:55.000 That picture of Ken Ham... 1.00

02:13:57.000 Cameron and fucking Comfort. 1.00

02:14:00.000 That's like three heads of Cerebus, the dog from hell. 1.00

02:14:03.000 Three heads of the Hydra right there.

02:14:05.000 See, I don't see hell in that. 1.00

02:14:07.000 I just see foolish people. 1.00

02:14:08.000 Well, yeah, I just see bizarre foolish people. 1.00

02:14:11.000 I see hell for science. 0.98

02:14:13.000 I see a problem for science and science education and everything going forward. 0.97

02:14:19.000 Because these are the people that are building fucking full-size arcs in the middle of God-I'm happy they're doing that. 0.96

02:14:25.000 Crack another one of them beers, son. 0.99

02:14:27.000 I'm happy they're doing that.

02:14:28.000 Yeah, that was great.

02:14:29.000 What one was this called?

02:14:31.000 Otravez from Sierra Nevada.

02:14:33.000 Love it.

02:14:34.000 Thank you.

02:14:34.000 It's a Goza.

02:14:35.000 It's a salt beer.

02:14:36.000 I like when guests come with beverages.

02:14:37.000 I'm totally into beer now because of...

02:14:39.000 Cheers, sir.

02:14:40.000 Cheers, dude.

02:14:40.000 Absolutely.

02:14:41.000 Into what?

02:14:41.000 What got you into beer?

02:14:42.000 Well, I've always been into beer.

02:14:45.000 I've always wanted to be doing homebrewing and stuff.

02:14:48.000 But because the paleo market kind of dropped out, my friend owns a bar.

02:14:52.000 And he's like, hey, my bartender's leaving.

02:14:54.000 I've been drinking there for like five years.

02:14:56.000 I was part-time security because I still had a guard card and all that.

02:15:00.000 He said, hey, my weekend bartender's going.

02:15:02.000 You know a lot about beer.

02:15:04.000 You know the whole menu here.

02:15:05.000 Do you want the weekend shifts since you're not working paleo?

02:15:07.000 If people want to come visit you and stalk you and give you a hard time about the Flat Earth, what bar is this?

02:15:11.000 Oh, it's the Faculty in East Hollywood at 707 North Heliotrope at the corner of Heliotrope and Melrose. 1.00

02:15:17.000 Oh, you fucked up, you shill. 1.00

02:15:18.000 They're coming at you now. 1.00

02:15:19.000 Bring it.

02:15:20.000 With Flat Earth knowledge.

02:15:22.000 Yeah, bring it.

02:15:23.000 Yeah, it's like, you want to roll in?

02:15:25.000 I'm having my birthday party there next Friday, the 28th, 8pm.

02:15:27.000 There's no such thing as gravity.

02:15:29.000 It is magnetic.

02:15:33.000 Electromagnetism?

02:15:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:15:34.000 Okay.

02:15:35.000 Yeah, sure.

02:15:38.000 Are stickers magnetic?

02:15:40.000 Oh, good point.

02:15:43.000 There you go.

02:15:44.000 Is glass magnetic?

02:15:44.000 Is plastic?

02:15:46.000 I mean, come on. 1.00

02:15:47.000 That's bullshit. 1.00

02:15:48.000 Well, it's kind of funny. 1.00

02:15:50.000 It's like Ray Comfort. 0.99

02:15:51.000 Like Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron and that poor bastard. 0.98

02:15:55.000 If he could just find a man who loved him, Kirk could just come free. 0.99

02:15:59.000 You could see it coming out of him. 0.99

02:16:02.000 Did that bullshit creationist Christmas movie that he had last year... 0.99

02:16:06.000 Oh, you mean awesome movie? 0.99

02:16:08.000 Like God's Not Dead?

02:16:09.000 Is that the one?

02:16:10.000 No, no, no.

02:16:10.000 I'm thinking like Saving Christmas.

02:16:12.000 Oh, saving Christmas.

02:16:13.000 It's like the war on Christmas, and Kirk Cameron's going to save it this December.

02:16:17.000 Oh.

02:16:18.000 Yeah, I think it actually took over Battlefield Earth as one of the worst movies on IMDb, or Rotten Tomatoes.

02:16:24.000 Well, I would see how it would be in that category, but did you ever see the one that he did about those Christian novels?

02:16:32.000 Oh, the Left Behind series.

02:16:33.000 Yes.

02:16:34.000 Yeah.

02:16:34.000 Wonderful.

02:16:35.000 I bought it on VHS. It's one of the last VHS tapes that I bought.

02:16:39.000 That's rad.

02:16:40.000 Yeah, I own it.

02:16:42.000 There's two of them.

02:16:44.000 I never even got through the first one.

02:16:46.000 I'm like, 45 minutes in the first one, my eyes are sweating, my head's shaking.

02:16:51.000 I remember when those came out in bookstores, the actual book series, I was walking by, I'm probably buying a Neil Gaiman book or something like that, like comics or some cool sci-fi fantasy stuff, and I saw that, and I'm like, what?

02:17:05.000 The rapture has come.

02:17:07.000 There's only a few people left on the planet. 1.00

02:17:09.000 I'm like, Fuck that! 1.00

02:17:10.000 Just put it right back on the shelf and kept walking. 1.00

02:17:12.000 Dude, the rapture comes and there's only a few people left, so that means that God comes and takes away all the Christians. 1.00

02:17:17.000 That would leave a lot of fucking people. 1.00

02:17:20.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:17:20.000 Like, this idea that it would only be a few people left is kind of... 0.99

02:17:25.000 Yeah, but the thing is, it's like, why is he going to take the Christians if, you know, Jews?

02:17:29.000 I'm genetically Jewish.

02:17:30.000 I have the Ashkenazi K1 haplotype because of my mom.

02:17:36.000 Aren't we supposed to be the chosen people?

02:17:38.000 Allegedly.

02:17:39.000 Allegedly.

02:17:39.000 But not anymore.

02:17:40.000 144,000 of us, something like that.

02:17:42.000 Yeah, but once America came along, God changed teams.

02:17:45.000 Right, right.

02:17:46.000 He got super down with...

02:17:47.000 Even Ray Comfort, he decided as an Australian, he got to get in tight with American Christians.

02:17:52.000 Right.

02:17:52.000 Wait, is Ray Australian?

02:17:54.000 Yes.

02:17:55.000 Both of them are Australian?

02:17:56.000 Yeah.

02:17:56.000 Ken and Ray?

02:17:57.000 Right.

02:17:57.000 Have you ever heard him talk?

02:17:59.000 But it's like really...

02:18:00.000 Oh, no.

02:18:01.000 I'm sorry.

02:18:01.000 I'm thinking of...

02:18:02.000 The atheist nightmare. 1.00

02:18:03.000 Right, right.

02:18:03.000 The banana.

02:18:04.000 I'm thinking of the other jackass. 0.99

02:18:05.000 I'm thinking of the other jackass, Kent Hoven, the one that went into jail for tax evasion. 0.99

02:18:10.000 Oh, yeah. 0.98

02:18:11.000 Yeah, he's Dr. Dr. Dino.

02:18:13.000 Yeah, not happening, dude.

02:18:15.000 Does he have anything to do with that creationist museum?

02:18:17.000 Who has something to do with the creationist museum?

02:18:19.000 That's Ken Ham.

02:18:20.000 That's Ken Ham.

02:18:21.000 Yeah, that's Captain Ham Sandwich himself.

02:18:23.000 A wonderful man.

02:18:24.000 Yeah, sure.

02:18:24.000 With some wonderful ideas.

02:18:26.000 That creationist museum and the ark.

02:18:29.000 I love the ark.

02:18:30.000 And I hate to say it.

02:18:31.000 Okay, hey, atheist Twitter followers, don't roll me for this. 0.99

02:18:35.000 Ken Ham is fucking smart. 0.99

02:18:37.000 Because of the way he does his advertising, because of the way he does his... 0.99

02:18:43.000 Look at that!

02:18:44.000 Bigger than imagination.

02:18:45.000 That's like, okay, sure, he may be completely, you know, chewing his own skin off at this point, losing money, but...

02:18:53.000 Think of what he did.

02:18:55.000 He did a huge debate with Bill Nye and got this going.

02:19:01.000 Because all of the money that people spent on DVDs and all that went to this.

02:19:05.000 Dude, you can get an annual pass for only $175.

02:19:08.000 That's way cheaper than Disneyland.

02:19:10.000 You can go see it all year round. 1.00

02:19:11.000 You can just keep going back and see that same stupid wooden boat. 1.00

02:19:14.000 All the time. 1.00

02:19:15.000 Wow.

02:19:16.000 Wait, they have zip lines?

02:19:19.000 I got a zipline.

02:19:21.000 I'm on a zipline.

02:19:22.000 Zipline right off the top of Noah's Ark.

02:19:26.000 Right into the manger where the baby Jesus was born.

02:19:29.000 Set up at the bottom of the zipline.

02:19:30.000 Hey, Ken, did Noah have ziplines?

02:19:33.000 Yeah.

02:19:34.000 Is that how he got all the animals off the Ark?

02:19:36.000 Yes.

02:19:36.000 Well, that's also how Noah raised funds for his Ark.

02:19:39.000 Oh, okay.

02:19:39.000 Right, right.

02:19:40.000 He did all that wood.

02:19:41.000 So where were the dinosaurs on the Ark? 0.98

02:19:42.000 They were butt-fucking. 1.00

02:19:44.000 Dinosaurs are gay. 1.00

02:19:45.000 A lot of people don't know that. 1.00

02:19:46.000 That's why they all died off.

02:19:47.000 Yeah.

02:19:49.000 No one was there to breed.

02:19:51.000 They were all just doing each other.

02:19:52.000 There was a Far Side by Gary Larson, one of those little comics a long, long time ago.

02:19:56.000 It was like the real demise of the dinosaurs.

02:19:58.000 They're all smoking.

02:20:00.000 There's another one that's...

02:20:01.000 Noah has like a 105 howitzer mounted on the nose of the Ark and firing it at the dinosaur Ark.

02:20:08.000 It's like, what really happened?

02:20:11.000 Stuff like that. 1.00

02:20:12.000 People make fun of this shit all the time. 0.99

02:20:14.000 Teach the Controversy is a t-shirt deal, and it shows... 0.99

02:20:18.000 I have the shirt.

02:20:19.000 It's rad.

02:20:20.000 You've got a Triceratops with an ox harness on it and a guy with a plow behind it.

02:20:26.000 Then you also have the devil burying a dinosaur bone.

02:20:28.000 It says Teach the Controversy.

02:20:30.000 They have a Flat Earth one, a Chemtrail one, an Illuminati one. 0.99

02:20:33.000 They're fucking rad. 0.96

02:20:34.000 I wonder how much longer that kind of thinking, that kind of Ray Comfort thinking is gonna be around. 0.97

02:20:40.000 As long as we have YouTube, man.

02:20:42.000 You think so?

02:20:43.000 I mean, I think...

02:20:44.000 It's just gonna get louder.

02:20:45.000 It's just gonna get louder.

02:20:46.000 I think...

02:20:46.000 I think not.

02:20:48.000 I think this is all...

02:20:50.000 This ability to self-publish and this kind of stuff is all cute and everything, but I think it's a step on this inevitable path.

02:20:58.000 I think we're on a path of complete enlightenment.

02:21:00.000 I really do. 0.94

02:21:02.000 That would be fucking rad. 0.89

02:21:04.000 I think it's going to bypass all of our biological limitations. 0.77

02:21:07.000 I think technological innovation is going to bypass the biological limitations, and we're going to live in some sort of an augmented reality, augmented by technology.

02:21:17.000 I think we're going to accept that, and I think we're going to dive into that, and then once that happens, I think slowly but surely, just like the difference between what we know today versus what we knew or people knew 2,000 years ago is pretty goddamn radical, but when you think about 2,000 years in terms of the Earth,

02:21:34.000 it's nothing, right?

02:21:35.000 It's a blink of an eye.

02:21:38.000 It's the nanosecond reaction of a neuron firing.

02:21:41.000 Even just 300 years ago, right?

02:21:43.000 Think of...

02:21:46.000 The time frame between the Wright brothers first powered flight and landing on the moon and then from landing on the moon to the space shuttle to the ISS. Now we have vertical landing rockets, nuke powered rovers with lasers doing science on a different planet and we have two probes Rapidly exiting the solar system,

02:22:09.000 the Voyager probes, they're fucking gone.

02:22:11.000 Go from the invention of radio to the internet today. 0.98

02:22:14.000 I mean, it's a blink of an eye.

02:22:16.000 A tiny, tiny, tiny amount of time and massive progress has been made. 0.99

02:22:20.000 And you still have these assholes that make these videos about dinosaurs not being real or write blogs about the earth being flat. 0.98

02:22:26.000 But at the end of the day, I just feel like that is more dismissed than ever before. 0.99

02:22:31.000 Less likely to be adopted.

02:22:34.000 And...

02:22:35.000 I think it's dying.

02:22:36.000 You've seen the last blips of ignorance where people are fighting against this...

02:22:41.000 Is this the death knell?

02:22:42.000 Is this people like B.O.B. going against Neil deGrasse Tyson?

02:22:45.000 Yeah, he's a silly man. 0.99

02:22:47.000 He's just a rapper, right? 0.99

02:22:49.000 He doesn't really have to have any real data.

02:22:51.000 But I think that's what we're seeing with all this stuff.

02:22:54.000 I think we're seeing sort of the last gasps of ignorance.

02:22:59.000 But he has a bunch of people that immediately do that.

02:23:03.000 And then a bunch of people go, whoa...

02:23:05.000 In contemporary times, it seems like it's a big deal.

02:23:09.000 But now it's cool to be a conspiracist.

02:23:12.000 It's cool to be a conspiracy sheep. 0.99

02:23:15.000 It's like hip and rad to think the earth is flat and all that shit. 0.97

02:23:20.000 Not really. 1.00

02:23:20.000 You have to be a real fucking moron to think the earth is flat in 2016. I'm going against them every day. 1.00

02:23:27.000 I know, but they're fucking morons. 1.00

02:23:28.000 Well, no, they're absolutely fucking morons. 1.00

02:23:30.000 I don't think it's going to last. 1.00

02:23:32.000 I think it's a blip.

02:23:33.000 I hope not, because... 0.97

02:23:35.000 It's drowning witches. 1.00

02:23:36.000 One, it's fucking exhausting. 1.00

02:23:39.000 Yeah, but for you, because you keep buying into it. 1.00

02:23:42.000 The thing is, again, I want to mock them so the people listening and the people watching and all that go, wow, that guy's a jackass. 0.98

02:23:50.000 It's like, the earth's not flat. 0.99

02:23:52.000 I got suckered into it.

02:23:54.000 But also...

02:23:56.000 I have to admit it.

02:23:57.000 I kind of like out-trolling the trolls, man.

02:23:59.000 Yeah.

02:24:00.000 It's fun, right? 1.00

02:24:01.000 When they come in, and you just, like, set the perfect thing, and they come back with something stupid, and you just fucking grab them by the back of the neck and go, WHAM! And they're done! 1.00

02:24:12.000 It's just like...

02:24:13.000 You like setting them up with facts.

02:24:15.000 Yeah, I like setting them up and watching them just trip over...

02:24:18.000 But why do you enjoy that so much? 0.99

02:24:19.000 Because they are dumb enough to do it to other people. 1.00

02:24:21.000 They deserve to have it done to them. 1.00

02:24:23.000 Right. 1.00

02:24:24.000 I'm a vindictive, narcissistic asshole. 1.00

02:24:26.000 Even when they're doing it to other people, they're doing it to themselves. 1.00

02:24:29.000 I like to give them...

02:24:31.000 I like to out-troll them with facts and give them just enough rope to hang themselves and completely embarrass themselves.

02:24:38.000 And they do it all the time, and then they get all flustered and they block me.

02:24:42.000 I did that to the Institute of Creation Research.

02:24:44.000 They got so pissed off, they blocked me on Twitter. 0.99

02:24:48.000 And that was a badge of fucking honor. 0.99

02:24:50.000 What is the Institute for Creation Research? 0.99

02:24:52.000 What kind of research are they doing? 0.96

02:24:54.000 Like, ICR.org is the same thing as, like, Answers in Genesis and all that shit. 0.76

02:24:58.000 It's like, it's a think tank of creationist scientists that are, the Earth is 6,000 years old. 0.94

02:25:04.000 There they are!

02:25:04.000 Oh my god!

02:25:05.000 There they are.

02:25:06.000 Oh, the new book of beginnings.

02:25:07.000 A practical guide to understanding Genesis. 1.00

02:25:10.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

02:25:12.000 And look, like, the little fucking dinosaur on it made in his image. 1.00

02:25:16.000 Look at this. 0.99

02:25:17.000 Look at this first article.

02:25:18.000 Magic words can't explain strange fossil. 0.55

02:25:21.000 Once upon a time, only a single Italian fossil, a crushed specimen that paleontologists had to reconstruct, represented the extinct reptile...

02:25:33.000 What is his name?

02:25:34.000 Drapanosaurus.

02:25:35.000 Drapanosaurus.

02:25:37.000 Now, a team of American scientists describe a new Drapanosaurus specimen from New Mexico.

02:25:42.000 Instead of fingers, it had a massive claw in each hand, and its curling tail was claw-tipped.

02:25:48.000 These features have evolutionists scratching their heads over where it came from and why it looks more like a particular living mammal than a reptile.

02:25:58.000 Well, guess what?

02:25:59.000 Because mammals existed during the time of dinosaurs.

02:26:02.000 Dun-dun-dun! 0.84

02:26:03.000 And you have things like synapsids and things like therapsids that are reptile-to-mammal transitions.

02:26:11.000 And you have all of these things that exist that they say don't.

02:26:15.000 It looks like a bear and a sheep and a sloth had a gangbang.

02:26:19.000 Right.

02:26:19.000 No, it's totally some, like, oh, Brian Thomas, really?

02:26:24.000 He has an MS. He's got a master in science.

02:26:28.000 Where did he get that?

02:26:29.000 Probably from ICR. I think you can get one online.

02:26:34.000 No, you can.

02:26:35.000 I want to get one just so I have to be called a doctor like Bill Cosby was doing.

02:26:39.000 I know a lot of anti-homeopathy people that go and get the homeopathy certification.

02:26:49.000 And then go, hey, look, I'm certified, too.

02:26:51.000 I'm allowed to talk to it.

02:26:52.000 And we're now on equal footing.

02:26:54.000 And then just, like, own the shaken water sugar pill people.

02:26:58.000 Oh, yeah.

02:26:59.000 Yeah.

02:27:00.000 I'm not talking about, like, actual, like, aromatherapy things or things that actually, like, single concentrations of arnica that actually can be used as an anti-inflammatory.

02:27:09.000 I'm talking, like, the sugar pill belladonna things that you take because...

02:27:14.000 Your chi is messed up, and you have a pain in your ankles, so you get, like, pig bladder and belladonna together, and you're just taking, like, 40 grams of soluble glucose in a sugar pill.

02:27:27.000 Makes you feel better briefly.

02:27:29.000 Yeah, because you're like, whoa!

02:27:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:27:32.000 Amazing medicine.

02:27:33.000 Incredible power.

02:27:34.000 I just feel the spiritual energy.

02:27:35.000 Because all the, you know, your ADP going on in your body is just like, hey, look, we've got food!

02:27:39.000 I do yoga, so I'm around these people all the time.

02:27:42.000 I'm around a lot of these Topanga Canyon hippies. 0.65

02:27:45.000 Wow. 1.00

02:27:45.000 That believe in all this kooky shit. 1.00

02:27:48.000 It's hilarious to talk to them. 1.00

02:27:49.000 They just have these fucking bizarre ideas. 0.98

02:27:53.000 I've had a couple people come into the bar lately, and again, I'm saying, it's like, hey, my birthday's soon. 0.99

02:27:58.000 They're like, oh, when's your birthday?

02:27:59.000 I'm like, it's the 27th.

02:28:01.000 And they're like, oh, you're a Scorpio.

02:28:04.000 Yeah, what does that mean?

02:28:05.000 I've been called a Scorpio before.

02:28:08.000 Whatever. 0.63

02:28:09.000 It's like I'm dark and brooding and narcissistic.

02:28:11.000 Well, yeah, a little.

02:28:12.000 I'm very vengeful and, you know, I'm very emotional and things like that.

02:28:17.000 All those things seem to be true.

02:28:18.000 Yeah, but all those things seem to be human qualities.

02:28:20.000 No, no, no.

02:28:21.000 Just for Scorpios.

02:28:22.000 Just for Scorpios.

02:28:23.000 Yeah, yeah, that's it.

02:28:24.000 No, Pisces are like...

02:28:26.000 No, they're different.

02:28:27.000 They're very balanced.

02:28:28.000 NASA, your zodiac sign is wrong, according to science, but it was never based on science anyway.

02:28:33.000 Yes! 0.96

02:28:34.000 Well, what is it based on, and how the fuck has it been around so long? 0.76

02:28:38.000 That's what's really incredible about astronomy, or astrology, rather. 0.75

02:28:43.000 Because of the ability for the human brain to look at patterns.

02:28:46.000 We see constellations, and it's like, the same thing with constellations, the same thing as clouds.

02:28:51.000 Oh, look, there's a dinosaur.

02:28:53.000 Oh, wait, no, now it's turning into an alligator, and now it kind of looks like my mom.

02:28:57.000 I'm feeling weird because of that.

02:28:58.000 I had a good friend of mine who I really respect telling me that astrology is real, that he conducts an astrologer before he does anything that's important, and he won't do things that the astrologer tells him that could be dangerous or could be problems coming in the future.

02:29:11.000 Wow.

02:29:12.000 Yeah, and I was talking to him about it, and he was like, well, the astrologer, they told me about my past.

02:29:17.000 They told me they were right about my parents.

02:29:19.000 I go, don't you know about your parents?

02:29:21.000 Yeah.

02:29:21.000 Don't you know?

02:29:22.000 Like, why would you be excited if someone told you some shit you already knew? 1.00

02:29:25.000 Tell this motherfucker to tell you some shit you don't know. 1.00

02:29:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:29:28.000 You know, tell him to tell you a lottery ticket. 1.00

02:29:30.000 Tell him to tell you what's going to happen next Tuesday.

02:29:32.000 Yeah.

02:29:32.000 Then, believe them.

02:29:33.000 Otherwise, what they're probably doing is asking you leading questions.

02:29:37.000 You're answering them in a way that leads you to believe that they have the information.

02:29:42.000 Yeah.

02:29:42.000 It's just con man stuff.

02:29:44.000 Yeah, it's cold reading.

02:29:45.000 It's mediums.

02:29:46.000 Cold reading.

02:29:47.000 Yeah, all of that.

02:29:48.000 There's techniques.

02:29:49.000 Training in micro-expressions. 0.99

02:29:51.000 Magicians are fucking excellent at it. 0.99

02:29:53.000 Oh! 1.00

02:29:53.000 Hell yeah, man. 1.00

02:29:54.000 A really good friend of mine is Misty Lee.

02:29:58.000 She's the only female medium at the Magic Castle.

02:30:01.000 And she's rad.

02:30:02.000 And we were just talking one day, and she's like, oh yeah, I can speak with the dead.

02:30:07.000 I can find anything out just by...

02:30:10.000 Doing that kind of...

02:30:11.000 It's like magicians...

02:30:12.000 There's entire books written on this.

02:30:14.000 And I've watched Penn& Teller do it.

02:30:17.000 I've watched Uri Geller do it.

02:30:19.000 The whole deal.

02:30:20.000 And it's...

02:30:21.000 If you work it enough and magicians have the type of mentality and patience and discipline to do this over and over and over again, shuffling cards a thousand times a day until it's just rote memorization, they can do that with cold reading.

02:30:37.000 They can do that with predictions.

02:30:38.000 They can do that with math tables.

02:30:40.000 Spoon bending.

02:30:42.000 All that stuff.

02:30:43.000 They know how to do all that.

02:30:44.000 That's easy.

02:30:45.000 You get a spoon with a little bit of gallium in it and it melts as soon as you touch it.

02:30:50.000 Gallium?

02:30:51.000 Gallium.

02:30:51.000 It's a metal that actually melts with your simple body heat.

02:30:55.000 Really?

02:30:55.000 Yeah.

02:30:56.000 And you make spoons out of it.

02:30:57.000 That's the common thing.

02:30:58.000 I'm not spoiling any magic trick there.

02:31:00.000 So it looks like a spoon that's made out of metal, like regular metal, but it's actually made out of gallium?

02:31:04.000 Mm-hmm.

02:31:05.000 And you sort of rub it?

02:31:06.000 You rub it and it melts and the thing falls apart.

02:31:08.000 Yeah, check it out.

02:31:10.000 Disappearing spoons!

02:31:11.000 Okay, so this guy's got a spoon.

02:31:13.000 It looks like a normal everyday spoon.

02:31:15.000 It says do-it-yourself kit and gallium metal available.

02:31:18.000 Sounds like a regular spoon.

02:31:19.000 So that's a thing of hot water.

02:31:22.000 Oh, Jesus, the spoon dissolved in the water.

02:31:27.000 Because it's hot enough.

02:31:29.000 It's a low-yield temperature.

02:31:31.000 This is not an acid, it's water.

02:31:33.000 Melting point of gallium is only 86 degrees Fahrenheit.

02:31:36.000 That's incredible.

02:31:37.000 Yeah, what's your outer skin body temperature?

02:31:39.000 Oh, 96. So that's incredible.

02:31:41.000 So you can take hot water, so your fingers, you could easily bend that spoon by just rubbing it.

02:31:48.000 And it's not even that hot that it would hurt you.

02:31:50.000 Or if that's an opaque mug, if I have a gallium spoon, I do that, you can't look through the mug, the spoon disappears, and it melts away.

02:32:03.000 Yeah, that's a very simple one.

02:32:05.000 And, you know, bending spoons like that, yeah.

02:32:07.000 So they just rub it and the gallium just sort of bends.

02:32:11.000 Or there's a way to pinch it between your fingers and start rubbing it and you're actually working it back and forth just a little bit like bending a key.

02:32:21.000 We've all done it.

02:32:21.000 We've all rubbed a key and we've watched it start to bend because as you are heating it up, it is expanding.

02:32:28.000 Oh, is that?

02:32:29.000 Yeah, there's the mold.

02:32:30.000 Check it out.

02:32:32.000 That's what's happening here.

02:32:34.000 They're messing with gallium.

02:32:36.000 You can make a mold of it, and then you put it in your freezer.

02:32:39.000 Eight hours later.

02:32:42.000 Ta-da! 1.00

02:32:43.000 Wow.

02:32:43.000 Yeah.

02:32:43.000 This is so bizarre.

02:32:45.000 Yeah.

02:32:46.000 This stuff just breaks in your face.

02:32:47.000 Yeah, it's neat stuff, man.

02:32:50.000 Where is gallium from?

02:32:52.000 It's part of the periodic table.

02:32:53.000 It's an existing element.

02:32:55.000 So they find it in dirt and extract it?

02:32:57.000 Mm-hmm.

02:32:57.000 You can mine it.

02:32:59.000 I've lived 49 years.

02:33:00.000 I've never heard of Gallium until this moment.

02:33:02.000 You're welcome.

02:33:03.000 Thank you very much.

02:33:04.000 You should feel good about that.

02:33:06.000 That's the entire point of your show. 1.00

02:33:08.000 You learn shit. 1.00

02:33:09.000 Dude, that's why I've always been a fan. 1.00

02:33:11.000 Well, thank you.

02:33:13.000 Listen, I'm a fan of the show, too.

02:33:16.000 Because it allows me to have these conversations with people.

02:33:20.000 I'm saying that I'm not being facetious.

02:33:22.000 As a person who's in the show, I'm a fan of being able to talk to all these people like you.

02:33:28.000 Learn about gallium.

02:33:29.000 It's cool.

02:33:30.000 Metal bending spoons.

02:33:32.000 There's so many different tricks that magicians use that psychics and all their really sleazy people have been using to steal from people. 0.99

02:33:39.000 Like these goddamn mediums on television that you see. 0.99

02:33:42.000 What was that one? 1.00

02:33:43.000 Long Island medium.

02:33:44.000 Did you ever see that one?

02:33:45.000 Yeah, no.

02:33:45.000 What was the big guy?

02:33:46.000 The dude that had the TV show...

02:33:49.000 Oh, yeah.

02:33:50.000 Started with an R, started like Robert Richard or something. 0.99

02:33:53.000 What was that fucking guy's name? 0.99

02:33:55.000 He had the same name as somebody else that's famous, right? 0.99

02:33:58.000 Yeah, and he would use plants and wireless mics and audio amplifiers and cold reading to read his audience. 1.00

02:34:07.000 Shit. 1.00

02:34:08.000 Oh, yeah, that's right. 1.00

02:34:10.000 That's right.

02:34:11.000 He had that sci-fi, that show on sci-fi, like, beyond with whatever his name is. 0.99

02:34:17.000 What is his fucking name? 0.99

02:34:19.000 Thankfully, we have forgotten. 1.00

02:34:20.000 He has fallen into obscurity. 1.00

02:34:22.000 But that piece of shit was famous for a long time, and people would talk about him all the time. 1.00

02:34:26.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:34:27.000 He started with specials, and then he got his own damn show. 0.99

02:34:30.000 It's like, I've done... 0.99

02:34:31.000 What's his name, Jamie?

02:34:32.000 James Van Praz?

02:34:34.000 No.

02:34:34.000 No, there was another one.

02:34:36.000 It was... 1.00

02:34:38.000 Fucking... 1.00

02:34:38.000 People right now are screaming it on Twitter. 1.00

02:34:41.000 Yeah, probably.

02:34:42.000 It's this guy! 0.98

02:34:48.000 Yeah, there's a lot of those fuckheads out there, but again, just like the Flat Earth people and all this other nonsense, I think they're gonna exist less and less in the future. 0.97

02:34:58.000 You know, I think that what we're seeing right now in terms of confirmation bias, I think that's all gonna be eradicated, because I think what we're dealing with now is very limited mediums of writing things down, typing things, making videos about things. 0.97

02:35:10.000 All these things are incredibly limited.

02:35:12.000 In comparison, To what's coming up.

02:35:16.000 You know, I've been a follower of Ray Kurzweil for a while.

02:35:23.000 Yeah.

02:35:23.000 I've been trying to pay attention to what he predicts and what he's thinking is going to be coming down the pipe in 2045. You look at guys like him and all these futurists that are predicting all these emergent technologies are going to completely change and revamp the way we communicate.

02:35:40.000 Going into the singularity.

02:35:42.000 Yeah.

02:35:43.000 I think we're on the verge of a storm, an innovation storm that's going to render the landscape almost unrecognizable.

02:35:51.000 I think we're just a decade or two away from just massive, massive shifts.

02:35:55.000 It brings me back to, you know, I don't believe that the Mayans were correct, that December 21st, 2012 was the end of the world, but it is fascinating when you see the Kali Yugas and all the different... 0.90

02:36:08.000 The different ancient civilizations that predicted cycles and cycles of humanity.

02:36:13.000 And it kind of seems like there's something to that.

02:36:16.000 Like maybe almost like you can kind of predict a sort of a time period where people accumulate a bunch of information, make life safer for each other, but then get soft, soft and sort of sloppy because life got safe and then you get lazy and then,

02:36:34.000 you know, All sorts of weird behavior.

02:36:38.000 Like, that's what we always thought about Rome, right?

02:36:40.000 We always thought the decadence.

02:36:42.000 Right.

02:36:44.000 Vomitoriums.

02:36:44.000 You know what a vomitorium really is.

02:36:46.000 Yeah.

02:36:47.000 Do you know what it really is?

02:36:49.000 Well, at least I've always learned that it's kind of like the...

02:36:54.000 A closed-in Bacchanal festival where you go and it's a sauna and you eat a bunch and you do the whole thing.

02:37:00.000 I'm gonna help you out here.

02:37:01.000 That's not what a vomitorium is.

02:37:03.000 What a vomitorium is is actually the passageway between a large arena and the stands.

02:37:11.000 So the way people leave, that's a vomitorium.

02:37:15.000 But the name of it led people to infer that that's a vomitorium.

02:37:19.000 So it led people to infer that, oh, that was a place they would go to throw up.

02:37:24.000 Wow.

02:37:25.000 Totally owned on that.

02:37:26.000 Right on.

02:37:26.000 Thank you.

02:37:27.000 But it's one that I thought, too.

02:37:29.000 And then, you know, you always connect that to ancient Rome.

02:37:33.000 And I went to the Vatican.

02:37:34.000 I went to Rome this past summer, and I went to the Colosseum and checked it out.

02:37:38.000 I've always wanted to go there. 0.99

02:37:39.000 It's fucking dope, dude. 1.00

02:37:40.000 The Vatican is the dopest shit I've ever seen in my life. 1.00

02:37:43.000 It's so insanely massive and spectacular, and the construction is just so mind-blowing. 0.99

02:37:50.000 The fact that they did all this without power tools, they did all over the course of hundreds of years, they built these amazing, massive structures. 0.94

02:37:58.000 I did the same thing in Israel a couple years ago, like going to Jerusalem and seeing, holy shit, this is like, Herod built this. 0.97

02:38:07.000 Wow. 0.96

02:38:07.000 And going to Masada and all that. 0.96

02:38:10.000 It was trippy as fuck, dude. 0.98

02:38:12.000 You can only imagine that. 0.99

02:38:13.000 And walking through the different quarters in Jerusalem and everything, and almost walking up the wrong stairs in the Muslim quarter to get to the Dome on the Rock, I didn't know where I was. 0.95

02:38:23.000 Oh, really?

02:38:24.000 This big dude's like, you're not Muslim, you're not going there. 1.00

02:38:26.000 I'm like, oh, fuck, sorry. 1.00

02:38:27.000 Wow. 1.00

02:38:28.000 So you could go the wrong way, and you can't go if you're a Muslim? 1.00

02:38:31.000 Unless you're a Muslim. 1.00

02:38:32.000 Unless you're a Muslim, yeah. 1.00

02:38:33.000 Because the dome on the rock where the mosque and everything is, is for Muslims only. 1.00

02:38:38.000 They only open it, I think, one day a year, very briefly, for people to come, like, take a picture of the outside.

02:38:44.000 Occasionally film crews can go in there, but that's about it.

02:38:47.000 And it's like, unless you are a devout Muslim, you can't go in there. 1.00

02:38:50.000 Because it's a very holy site for them.

02:38:53.000 But going there, like going and seeing the Stations of the Cross and the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and all that, it was trippy.

02:39:03.000 I'm not religious.

02:39:05.000 I'm not an atheist or anything like that.

02:39:07.000 I'm a scientist.

02:39:08.000 I'm an apatheist.

02:39:09.000 The religious aspect and spiritual aspect to me is completely irrelevant. 0.98

02:39:15.000 If there's, you cannot prove nor deny that there is any kind of, you know, outside force or, you know, 3-0 being and all of that, I don't, I honestly don't give a shit. 0.98

02:39:26.000 If I die and all of a sudden it's like, oops, sorry, okay, you know, I admit, I was wrong, send me to hell, sorry. 0.98

02:39:33.000 I don't care.

02:39:34.000 You'd think that God would be like, hey man, you didn't know.

02:39:37.000 But, I mean, I've always been honest about that, because people are like, you're an atheist!

02:39:42.000 I'm like, actually, no, I'm not.

02:39:44.000 Sorry.

02:39:44.000 Yeah, an atheist has to have a belief that there's no God.

02:39:47.000 You have to believe there's...

02:39:49.000 That's like, you don't know if there's no God because you've never experienced death.

02:39:55.000 You don't know if there's no afterlife because you've never experienced it.

02:40:00.000 But there's no evidence that it exists.

02:40:02.000 I know a lot of atheists that use the definition that you have agnosticism and you have atheism.

02:40:08.000 Agnosticism is the knowledge.

02:40:10.000 Atheism is the empirical data.

02:40:11.000 So an atheist knows there is no God and disbelieves all God.

02:40:16.000 The only difference between an atheist and a Christian is that the atheist disbelieves one more than the Christian. 0.74

02:40:24.000 Right.

02:40:24.000 Because if you think about it...

02:40:26.000 Christians disbelieve Scientologists. 0.98

02:40:28.000 They disbelieve the Moonies.

02:40:30.000 Exactly.

02:40:30.000 The Unitarians, all of that.

02:40:32.000 Yeah.

02:40:32.000 So an agnostic is lacking knowledge.

02:40:36.000 You don't really know.

02:40:38.000 It's like, okay, well, I've seen some things.

02:40:40.000 I haven't seen other things.

02:40:41.000 That kind of deal.

02:40:42.000 Right.

02:40:42.000 I remove myself from that, and the hardcore atheist community has tried to grasp apatheism as, oh, it's practical atheism.

02:40:50.000 Since you don't bother, you don't care. 0.98

02:40:52.000 And it's like, no, we don't care because it's a waste of fucking time. 0.98

02:40:56.000 Yeah, I had an argument with a guy on Twitter once. 0.98

02:40:58.000 Was it Twitter?

02:40:59.000 One of those things.

02:41:00.000 Where he was saying, why don't you just come out as an atheist?

02:41:05.000 I'm like, well, why do you care?

02:41:06.000 Why do you want me to say there's no God?

02:41:09.000 Why would you want me to say that? 1.00

02:41:10.000 First of all, I don't know, and I've said I don't know, and you don't know either, bitch. 1.00

02:41:14.000 So why are you telling me that I should say that I know? 0.99

02:41:17.000 You don't know. 0.98

02:41:18.000 This is crazy talk, but it's one of those goddamn things where people want you to be on their team. 0.99

02:41:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:41:24.000 Absolutely. 0.99

02:41:25.000 It's like, oh, hey, cool.

02:41:26.000 We have a celebrity endorsement.

02:41:27.000 That's exactly what it is.

02:41:28.000 That's exactly what it is.

02:41:30.000 Joe Rogan said he was an atheist.

02:41:32.000 So all the atheists go, yay! 1.00

02:41:34.000 I'm a part of the atheist society we get together.

02:41:36.000 Right, right.

02:41:37.000 That's happened with the skeptics. 0.88

02:41:39.000 There used to be these skeptic societies, and then they got weird, and then they got all social justice warrior-y, and then they started accusing each other of raping each other because they were having sex while they were drunk, and it all got madness. 0.87

02:41:51.000 Yeah, it's...

02:41:52.000 A lot of it's fallen apart, and a bunch of people won't go to their events anymore because they were accused of impropriety.

02:41:58.000 And then you have new ones, like across the pond, you've got QEDCon and stuff like that.

02:42:03.000 They're actually doing it like the old school.

02:42:06.000 It's like a bunch of people are meeting up and talking about things, and they have panels, and they have...

02:42:10.000 Zero tolerance rules for the convention, stuff like that.

02:42:16.000 Zero tolerance for what?

02:42:18.000 For sexual harassment or anything like no means no.

02:42:21.000 It's consent laws or consent guidelines and all that.

02:42:23.000 And it's really cool.

02:42:25.000 But do they need that at conferences?

02:42:26.000 Isn't that just common human nature and dignity?

02:42:29.000 Well, it is.

02:42:31.000 And a majority of people should know that. 1.00

02:42:33.000 But then we have rape-advocating fuckwits that run for president. 1.00

02:42:38.000 He's into pussy-grabbing. 1.00

02:42:40.000 But still rape advocation. 1.00

02:42:41.000 He's absolutely advocating the abuse and rape. 0.96

02:42:44.000 But it's locker room talk. 1.00

02:42:46.000 Bullshit. 1.00

02:42:47.000 Don't you understand, Trevor? 1.00

02:42:47.000 I've been in a locker room. 1.00

02:42:48.000 I played fucking hockey. 1.00

02:42:49.000 I played football. 1.00

02:42:50.000 I played tennis.

02:42:51.000 That dude ain't never been in a locker room, first of all. 1.00

02:42:53.000 Fuck no. 1.00

02:42:53.000 No. 1.00

02:42:55.000 No, he has not.

02:42:56.000 And it's like, yeah, it's absolutely just great.

02:43:00.000 But so, like, there's a big thing.

02:43:02.000 Every year I'm a guest at DragonCon.

02:43:06.000 It's a pop culture con in Atlanta.

02:43:07.000 Right.

02:43:08.000 And because it's all fan-run, they have different programming tracks, I go talk on the science track.

02:43:14.000 You know, talk about beer and cooking or dinosaurs or two years ago I ripped apart Jurassic World, stuff like that.

02:43:21.000 You didn't like Jurassic World? 1.00

02:43:22.000 Fuck no. 1.00

02:43:23.000 But dude, the people that you loved made it to the end and lived. 1.00

02:43:26.000 That's the best part about the movie.

02:43:29.000 That Chris guy and the beautiful girl, I knew they were going to make it.

02:43:33.000 It was a really bad monster horror film.

02:43:34.000 It was really good, because the little kids didn't die either.

02:43:37.000 Those kids made it.

02:43:38.000 Are their parents back together?

02:43:39.000 The dinosaurs were running after the kids, and the kids got away from the dinosaurs and survived.

02:43:44.000 That's a good movie.

02:43:45.000 They hid behind their jeep.

02:43:47.000 Good job there.

02:43:48.000 The dinosaur didn't get him, even though he smelled him.

02:43:50.000 You can't hold a smile on that.

02:43:52.000 You cannot hold character on that.

02:43:54.000 No, it's a good movie.

02:43:55.000 First of all, what's that guy's name?

02:43:56.000 Chris...

02:43:57.000 Pratt.

02:43:58.000 He's a beautiful man.

02:43:59.000 I'm happy he lived.

02:44:00.000 And the girl, they wound up being boyfriend and girlfriend at the end of the movie, so it's a good movie.

02:44:05.000 Who saw that coming?

02:44:06.000 Who saw the beautiful man and the beautiful girl getting together at the end?

02:44:09.000 Halfway through the movie when they joked about...

02:44:11.000 No, there was animosity at the beginning.

02:44:13.000 But no, they joked about that they went on a date before, so of course, you know, the stressful situation.

02:44:17.000 Look at speed.

02:44:18.000 And plus he said, oh, I didn't watch that movie.

02:44:21.000 Didn't have any dinosaurs in it.

02:44:22.000 But the...

02:44:23.000 But dinosaurs don't exist.

02:44:24.000 They're only in movies.

02:44:26.000 I'm Eric Dubé.

02:44:29.000 That super intelligent dinosaur crushes that little thing that they're in, but they manage to slip out the bottom and the dinosaur doesn't see, and then they run off.

02:44:36.000 Spoiler alert. 0.99

02:44:38.000 Spoiler alert, these little kids with tiny little stubby shitty human legs can outrun a fucking dinosaur the size of a building. 1.00

02:44:46.000 The size of a five-story building. 1.00

02:44:48.000 This thing's screaming and tearing trees apart, and he's on a fucking death run to get at these little kids for some reason. 0.99

02:44:55.000 Yeah, with all the other dinosaurs and shit in the park. 1.00

02:44:57.000 All the other shit that he could eat. 1.00

02:44:57.000 Gotta eat those. 1.00

02:44:58.000 With his gigantic head.

02:44:59.000 He just wants to eat these little tiny people that are barely a snack. 0.88

02:45:02.000 Right.

02:45:02.000 It's like you chasing after an ant.

02:45:04.000 Like, that fucking ant! 1.00

02:45:05.000 I need it! 1.00

02:45:06.000 That one right there. 1.00

02:45:06.000 That motherfucker! 1.00

02:45:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:45:08.000 That was a good movie. 1.00

02:45:09.000 It was a good movie.

02:45:10.000 It was good at the end, too, where all the pterodactyls came in and picked people up.

02:45:14.000 Yeah, and Jimmy Buffett with the cameo, running away.

02:45:17.000 Jimmy Buffett was in there?

02:45:18.000 Yeah, so they have Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville as a stand at the thing. 0.91

02:45:23.000 When the dimorphodons and the horrible dimorphodons and the really shitty pteranodons come out... 0.79

02:45:29.000 Wait a minute. 0.60

02:45:30.000 Are we seeing the same movie?

02:45:32.000 Yeah, they can't lift people up.

02:45:33.000 I'm sorry.

02:45:33.000 What?

02:45:34.000 It's my job!

02:45:35.000 I can't go to a movie like that and use plausible deniability in their similitude.

02:45:39.000 Is that what they were in pterodactyls?

02:45:40.000 What's a pterodactyl then?

02:45:41.000 A pterodactyl is a species of pteranodon.

02:45:43.000 Okay.

02:45:43.000 So those pteranodons, that was wrong, that can't pick people up?

02:45:47.000 No.

02:45:47.000 They weigh less than most people.

02:45:49.000 How much they weigh?

02:45:50.000 Maybe somewhere around the small ones, like 75 pounds.

02:45:55.000 And they don't have the foot strength.

02:45:57.000 They have the foot strength in order to hold their body up.

02:46:00.000 Thrust-to-weight ratio, man.

02:46:02.000 They can't reach down.

02:46:03.000 They don't have the grip to grab...

02:46:05.000 So not like an eagle that can grab a salmon.

02:46:06.000 No.

02:46:07.000 No.

02:46:07.000 No, no.

02:46:08.000 Different sort of build.

02:46:09.000 Totally different build.

02:46:10.000 Sorry. 1.00

02:46:11.000 They got fucked by evolution. 1.00

02:46:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:46:13.000 Did they have feathers, those fuckers? 1.00

02:46:15.000 Possibly. 1.00

02:46:17.000 Okay, now I have to say a couple things in Jurassic World were kind of cool.

02:46:20.000 Like Chris Pratt's face?

02:46:21.000 No.

02:46:22.000 I liked him more in...

02:46:23.000 How about his girlfriend's face?

02:46:25.000 Okay, now Bryce Dallas Howard.

02:46:27.000 Is that her name?

02:46:27.000 Bryce Dallas Howard.

02:46:28.000 Kind of hot.

02:46:28.000 She's beautiful.

02:46:29.000 Kind of hot. 1.00

02:46:30.000 What do you have, high standards, you fuck? 1.00

02:46:31.000 Well, no, she's... 1.00

02:46:32.000 Who are you?

02:46:32.000 No, she's even hotter in The Martian, I have to say.

02:46:35.000 Oh, The Martian.

02:46:36.000 She's absolutely beautiful in The Martian.

02:46:37.000 When is she in The Martian?

02:46:38.000 She's the commander of the Ares IV mission.

02:46:40.000 Oh, that's right.

02:46:42.000 They went crazy science fiction.

02:46:43.000 They have a chicken control.

02:46:46.000 Let's just do complete fiction.

02:46:48.000 Let's just go off the deep end.

02:46:50.000 Make it totally unbelievable.

02:46:51.000 That's not cool.

02:46:52.000 Social justice warrior.

02:46:56.000 Interesting.

02:46:56.000 Trevor has a little bit of it in him.

02:46:59.000 Okay, about that term.

02:47:01.000 Social justice warrior?

02:47:03.000 Yeah.

02:47:03.000 It's a wonderful term.

02:47:04.000 It can also be used for the opposite.

02:47:06.000 The people that are going for no political correctness, the people that are going all that, they want social justice on their side.

02:47:12.000 They are also social justice warriors.

02:47:16.000 I guess.

02:47:17.000 They're looking for their...

02:47:18.000 But that's not going to stick.

02:47:19.000 That's how they call white people honkies.

02:47:21.000 It doesn't hurt. 0.67

02:47:22.000 Oh, God.

02:47:24.000 Have you called someone to mock social justice warriors a social justice warrior, too?

02:47:30.000 I have.

02:47:31.000 Because you're trying to eliminate all political correctness.

02:47:34.000 You're a social justice warrior.

02:47:35.000 I have.

02:47:35.000 Okay, whatever, dude.

02:47:36.000 No, I haven't.

02:47:37.000 It's pissed them off.

02:47:38.000 I bet you have.

02:47:39.000 And it has pissed them off.

02:47:40.000 I bet you think it's pissed them off.

02:47:42.000 People just like to argue, man. 1.00

02:47:43.000 You can piss people off by calling them a fucking ninny. 1.00

02:47:46.000 You stupid ninny. 1.00

02:47:47.000 No, oh god, there was one guy I called a chump. 1.00

02:47:50.000 And he was like, you wouldn't say that to my face. 0.98

02:47:52.000 I'm like, chump. 0.94

02:47:53.000 Yeah, I would. 0.91

02:47:54.000 Chump is a...

02:47:55.000 God, what was his Twitter handle?

02:47:57.000 I don't remember. 1.00

02:47:57.000 Chump is pretty dumb. 1.00

02:47:58.000 There's no need to call him out by his Twitter handle. 1.00

02:48:00.000 No, well, I don't remember it anyway, but he's still a chump. 1.00

02:48:03.000 It's really kind of innocuous, right? 0.97

02:48:05.000 Yeah.

02:48:05.000 Somebody called me a chump, I'd be like, alright, man, I'll let you have that.

02:48:08.000 We'll just end this.

02:48:09.000 Yeah.

02:48:10.000 Right? 1.00

02:48:11.000 Oh yeah, you fucking pussy! 1.00

02:48:12.000 Oh yeah, you're a chump! 1.00

02:48:13.000 Alright, we're good? 1.00

02:48:14.000 We just leave it alone. 0.98

02:48:16.000 You call me a chump. 0.98

02:48:17.000 If you're happy with chump, I'll just... 1.00

02:48:19.000 It's like you're not calling me like a mentally bereft Muppet or, you know, some kind of, like, just... 0.94

02:48:23.000 Well, see, you like to get verbose with your insults. 1.00

02:48:25.000 Fuck yeah, I do. 1.00

02:48:26.000 You like to go deep with your education. 1.00

02:48:28.000 I have a pretty decent vocabulary.

02:48:31.000 I understand. 1.00

02:48:32.000 You're a fucking paleontologist. 1.00

02:48:33.000 I get it. 1.00

02:48:34.000 Use what you got, right?

02:48:35.000 Right.

02:48:36.000 Yeah.

02:48:36.000 See, some dudes just chomp as where they draw the line.

02:48:40.000 That fucking word. 1.00

02:48:42.000 No, he got mad. 1.00

02:48:43.000 Jesus.

02:48:43.000 And then he tried to go, it's like, oh no, I was laughing at it.

02:48:46.000 I'm like, no, you weren't, dude.

02:48:47.000 You're moving the goalpost.

02:48:47.000 Come on.

02:48:48.000 Some people do get really upset at just really innocuous words.

02:48:53.000 Yeah.

02:48:54.000 They choose.

02:48:55.000 They have words they choose where they decide, but none of them ever stick on white people. 0.67

02:49:00.000 That's the amazing thing.

02:49:02.000 There's never been a single racial slur that stuck on white people.

02:49:07.000 Yeah, there has.

02:49:08.000 Well, name one.

02:49:10.000 Name one.

02:49:10.000 What can you call us?

02:49:12.000 Help me. 0.91

02:49:13.000 I fucking even hate saying them, but there's... 0.96

02:49:17.000 Come on, son. 0.99

02:49:18.000 Hit me with it. 1.00

02:49:19.000 Slur against Jewish people? 1.00

02:49:21.000 No, white people. 0.96

02:49:22.000 Not Jews. 1.00

02:49:22.000 Not Jews in specific. 1.00

02:49:24.000 But that's specific.

02:49:25.000 But they're still white?

02:49:26.000 Sort of.

02:49:27.000 White Anglo-Saxon Protestants?

02:49:30.000 Wasps?

02:49:31.000 That doesn't hurt anybody. 0.94

02:49:33.000 Bitches laugh while they're using their credit cards. 1.00

02:49:35.000 They're like, ha ha ha! 0.98

02:49:37.000 That was a serious slur back in the day. 1.00

02:49:40.000 Back before people could read and realize how stupid it was? 1.00

02:49:43.000 Listen, Wasp ain't shit, dude. 1.00

02:49:45.000 That doesn't hurt nobody. 0.99

02:49:46.000 You can't come up with one.

02:49:47.000 Well, one that is sticking right now, and I'm kind of glad it is, is white privilege. 0.58

02:49:51.000 That doesn't stick. 1.00

02:49:52.000 Fuck yeah, that's sticking. 0.99

02:49:53.000 That doesn't hurt. 1.00

02:49:54.000 That's sticking harsh, and I totally agree with it. 1.00

02:49:56.000 You're hanging out with the wrong crowd.

02:49:57.000 Trevor, I gotta bring it. 1.00

02:49:58.000 I'm hanging out with smart fucking people, man. 1.00

02:50:01.000 Because if white privilege hurts them, if you say that and they go, how dare you? 1.00

02:50:06.000 No, those are not people I hang out with. 1.00

02:50:08.000 Oh, fuck no. 0.99

02:50:09.000 But watching the reaction of people. 0.99

02:50:11.000 It's like, yeah, I'm sorry. 1.00

02:50:12.000 White privilege is totally a fucking thing. 1.00

02:50:15.000 It's absolutely a thing. 1.00

02:50:17.000 It is documented.

02:50:18.000 It is proven.

02:50:19.000 There's institutional racism. 0.99

02:50:20.000 It is 100% fucking fact. 0.99

02:50:23.000 Well, what white privilege is, is sort of the lack of racism against white people, and it highlights racism against other people. 0.98

02:50:31.000 So what white privilege really is, is how everybody should sort of be treated.

02:50:35.000 Everybody should be treated like they're not a criminal, Yeah,

02:51:02.000 exactly.

02:51:02.000 I mean, I think it's a real thing, for sure, but I think really what we should concentrate on, instead of concentrating on getting white people to kowtow and to bow down to the fact they have privilege, to just eliminate racism from the world, which I think is entirely a possible thing in our lifetimes.

02:51:21.000 It's totally possible, but the problem with that is we have to come to terms with being privileged.

02:51:27.000 We have to come to terms with...

02:51:29.000 Come to terms?

02:51:30.000 Yeah, we have to, you know, people have to understand that, yes, because you are white, you are privileged. 0.69

02:51:35.000 Because you are white, you will not get pulled over as much. 0.52

02:51:38.000 You will not get shot as much.

02:51:39.000 We have to come to terms with that in what way?

02:51:42.000 Because we're the ones doing the institutional racism.

02:51:45.000 Well, not we.

02:51:46.000 We're not doing the institutional racism.

02:51:48.000 Not we.

02:51:48.000 Someone is.

02:51:49.000 Someone, you know, white. 0.62

02:51:51.000 Right.

02:51:51.000 But who are these people that are doing that?

02:51:53.000 Right?

02:51:54.000 Police officers?

02:51:55.000 Yes.

02:51:56.000 Right.

02:51:56.000 Sure.

02:51:57.000 Police officers?

02:51:58.000 Politicians?

02:51:58.000 We have an issue with police officers, first of all, because I don't think, I think there's almost no one who is qualified to be a police officer.

02:52:05.000 I think it's an insanely difficult job.

02:52:07.000 Mm-hmm.

02:52:07.000 That we just assume people can handle.

02:52:09.000 And I think it's a chaotic, ridiculous amount of pressure that these people have to endure on a daily basis.

02:52:15.000 They're pulling people over.

02:52:16.000 They have no idea they're going to be shot.

02:52:18.000 They see death every day.

02:52:19.000 They see people getting shot and accidents and murders and domestic violence and chaos.

02:52:24.000 And I don't think people are psychologically able to handle that.

02:52:27.000 I think we think of it as a job- Very, very few.

02:52:29.000 Absolutely very few.

02:52:30.000 We think of it as a job the same way we think of camera repair and, you know, someone who builds cars.

02:52:35.000 It is not.

02:52:36.000 It's not a job. 0.92

02:52:37.000 It's an incredibly difficult psychological endeavor to try to take on the task of being the voice of the law or the arm of the law and to go out and to treat people with respect and dignity and to not be terrified at every fucking traffic stop. 0.95

02:52:54.000 That's a big problem. 0.92

02:52:56.000 Oh, yeah.

02:52:56.000 It's a big problem.

02:52:58.000 And then there's also the problem with the communities that we've allowed these terribly disenfranchised and impoverished communities to stay exactly the way they are, without pumping federal funds into them, without trying to clean them up, without trying to figure out a way to elevate people in these areas.

02:53:14.000 We want them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. 1.00

02:53:16.000 And without doing it with gentrification, without going in there because, hey, that's where the rent is currently cheap.

02:53:22.000 And taking over those areas and forcing out lower rent families that can't make enough money.

02:53:28.000 Yeah, well that's like a sneaky thing that people do.

02:53:30.000 But they do it!

02:53:31.000 But they do it!

02:53:32.000 But not all just real estate people do it.

02:53:35.000 People do it like looking for apartment buildings and all that.

02:53:38.000 It's like, it's...

02:53:39.000 That's a very real thing.

02:53:41.000 And if more people with more money move into an area, rents go higher. 0.98

02:53:46.000 This is fucking statistical.

02:53:49.000 And then those people that are on assisted funding or people that have limited access to funds because of jobs and all that, they get pushed out of those areas and they create concentrated areas of very low middle class to low class poverty, 0.99

02:54:06.000 food deserts, horrible fucking places. 0.98

02:54:10.000 And everybody just turns a fucking blind eye to it. 1.00

02:54:12.000 Well, people are busy with their own lives. 0.99

02:54:15.000 That's really what it is.

02:54:16.000 Most people don't have the resources or the wherewithal to do anything to have an impact on these impoverished communities.

02:54:23.000 They have their own credit card debt, student loan debt.

02:54:26.000 But they can at least understand that that is going on.

02:54:30.000 Okay, you understand and I understand, but how is that helping those people?

02:54:36.000 That's a very good question. 0.99

02:54:37.000 Give me a second so I don't sound like a ranting idiot. 1.00

02:54:41.000 We understand... 0.99

02:54:42.000 First of all, congratulations for taking a pause.

02:54:44.000 Thank you.

02:54:45.000 Because most people don't.

02:54:46.000 Most people, they just...

02:54:48.000 They just keep plowing through.

02:54:50.000 They don't go home.

02:54:50.000 Let me think about this.

02:54:52.000 Like shitting on Eric Dubé. 0.99

02:54:54.000 That's just... 0.99

02:54:55.000 I know, you're still angry. 0.99

02:54:56.000 I fucking trolled you. 1.00

02:54:58.000 You totally, totally, I will get my revenge. 1.00

02:55:01.000 I knew, I knew before this podcast, oh my god, that's in my back pocket. 0.98

02:55:05.000 I'm gonna have to fucking bring out that video at one point in time. 0.98

02:55:08.000 I wanna watch him, watch him get fucking beat ridden. 0.99

02:55:11.000 Right. 0.99

02:55:11.000 We know that is true. 0.99

02:55:14.000 Is it affecting us?

02:55:16.000 Possibly.

02:55:18.000 Can it affect the human race as a whole?

02:55:20.000 100%.

02:55:20.000 Yes.

02:55:22.000 Because of that, because of the reach you have, I don't nearly have the reach you have, but because of the reach you have...

02:55:29.000 Well, you have that reach right now.

02:55:30.000 I have that, absolutely, right now, but this is like, what, twice in two years?

02:55:33.000 Come on. 0.99

02:55:33.000 You do this fucking five times a week. 0.99

02:55:36.000 But the numbers that this podcast will reach in comparison to the numbers that reached two years ago, dude, you're going to hit millions of people right now. 0.99

02:55:42.000 Well, then that's great.

02:55:43.000 With what you're saying.

02:55:43.000 Well, then what they need to do is they need to understand.

02:55:46.000 And yes, this isn't like, you know, a send money to Africa thing and all that.

02:55:50.000 Yes, there's horrible poverty in the world.

02:55:52.000 There's horrible food shortages in the world and all of that.

02:55:56.000 But you also have to think about what is happening specifically in your community.

02:56:00.000 We are one species.

02:56:02.000 We are Homo sapiens sapien.

02:56:04.000 It's our job because we're affecting the planet to also fix...

02:56:08.000 Because we live here.

02:56:10.000 This is our current home.

02:56:12.000 This is the only one we have.

02:56:13.000 We have overpopulation problems.

02:56:15.000 We have food problems and all that.

02:56:17.000 Start small. 1.00

02:56:19.000 Fix your fucking community by simply saying hi to your neighbor. 1.00

02:56:24.000 If you're in a crowded apartment building and you have a person struggling with groceries, why not offer to fucking help? 1.00

02:56:35.000 Because then that chick's going to worry you're going to rape her. 1.00

02:56:37.000 You're going to follow her into her apartment. 1.00

02:56:39.000 Just to put them in the fucking elevator and to put them out the elevator. 1.00

02:56:43.000 Something simple as that. 1.00

02:56:44.000 I have an idea.

02:56:46.000 How about people actually bother to merge correctly on freeways?

02:56:50.000 Or to not cut people off at the last second.

02:56:55.000 Think about what your actions are doing.

02:56:58.000 Think cognitively.

02:57:00.000 On what that is happening.

02:57:01.000 What's causing that? 0.99

02:57:03.000 All of you motherfuckers that cut in at the last time to get around traffic, guess what? 1.00

02:57:08.000 You're causing the fucking traffic. 1.00

02:57:10.000 This is simple physics. 1.00

02:57:12.000 I don't think this is going to help poor people.

02:57:14.000 No, but it's not.

02:57:16.000 What's going on, Jamie?

02:57:17.000 There's actually an article just came out, I think this week, that says that that helps traffic.

02:57:21.000 I don't know if it's probably a scientific study.

02:57:23.000 The people cutting people off helps traffic?

02:57:25.000 Not cutting people off, but the people that merge in last second, last second mergers, improve traffic.

02:57:29.000 How is that possible?

02:57:30.000 Because everyone backs up behind it. 1.00

02:57:32.000 Science, motherfucker! 1.00

02:57:32.000 Science, it's impossible! 1.00

02:57:34.000 But everything backs up behind them.

02:57:36.000 Maybe not, if they're good.

02:57:38.000 They know what they're doing.

02:57:39.000 They can zip in.

02:57:39.000 They got a little Miata or something like that.

02:57:42.000 My challenge is 16 feet long.

02:57:44.000 That's a big car.

02:57:44.000 I love those cars.

02:57:45.000 It's right out there.

02:57:46.000 Those are fun.

02:57:47.000 Trade ya.

02:57:48.000 No.

02:57:50.000 Anyway, but helping...

02:57:52.000 But I like them.

02:57:52.000 So do I. Helping in your community is simple.

02:57:56.000 So, like, the place I work right now, the faculty...

02:57:59.000 We're a neighborhood bar.

02:58:01.000 We're nice to people in the neighborhood.

02:58:02.000 We make deals with the local business owners.

02:58:05.000 We talk about the neighborhood.

02:58:06.000 We try and drive crime out.

02:58:08.000 We try and do all that kind of thing.

02:58:10.000 My owner owns two shops on that block.

02:58:12.000 We're trying to revitalize the block.

02:58:14.000 We're not trying to gentrify it. 0.99

02:58:15.000 We're not trying to bring in the hipsters from fucking Silver Lake and all that bullshit. 0.99

02:58:18.000 What's wrong with the hipsters? 0.99

02:58:20.000 Don't get me started.

02:58:21.000 But they look like you.

02:58:22.000 They have yellow beards and they wear weird clothes.

02:58:26.000 No?

02:58:26.000 No.

02:58:27.000 They have tattoos?

02:58:28.000 I don't have skinny jeans, dude.

02:58:29.000 Come on, look at me.

02:58:30.000 But you're a big fella.

02:58:31.000 I'm a big fella.

02:58:31.000 But if you're a little fella, you might have skinny jeans.

02:58:33.000 No, I wouldn't do that.

02:58:34.000 I'm not doing that.

02:58:35.000 What's wrong with the hipsters?

02:58:38.000 It's the pomposity of hipsters that bother me.

02:58:41.000 I love that word.

02:58:42.000 I love that you used pomposity.

02:58:43.000 Not all hipsters.

02:58:44.000 Hashtag not all hipsters.

02:58:47.000 Um...

02:58:49.000 Hashtag yes all women, hashtag not all hipsters. 0.61

02:58:53.000 There are a select few that are the stereotypical hipster of like, you know, it's like, oh, you know, I liked them before they were cool and shit like that.

02:59:01.000 Yeah, they have vinyl.

02:59:02.000 I only listen to vinyl in my car. 1.00

02:59:06.000 Fucking record player in their Prius. 1.00

02:59:08.000 Cunt. 1.00

02:59:13.000 Oh, wow. 1.00

02:59:14.000 That's a stupid fucking image, man. 1.00

02:59:18.000 Hey, you know what's happened. 1.00

02:59:19.000 There was a record player that they came up with for cars in the 1950s, I want to say?

02:59:26.000 Was that before speed bumps were invented?

02:59:28.000 No, man.

02:59:28.000 I mean, it didn't work.

02:59:29.000 Of course not. 0.54

02:59:30.000 But there was a record player for cars a long fucking time ago. 0.72

02:59:36.000 I'm trying to remember. 0.88

02:59:37.000 Oh, there it is.

02:59:38.000 Look at this.

02:59:39.000 Chrysler did eventually add an option to play 45 RPM records on the Highway High Five.

02:59:46.000 But perhaps that choice came too late.

02:59:48.000 In 1960, a much cheaper car record player was offered as a Chrysler option to come on the market.

02:59:54.000 The RCA Victor Auto Victrola.

02:59:57.000 It cost $51.

02:59:59.000 It would be $410 today.

03:00:01.000 And you can play your own 45s on it.

03:00:03.000 Way to go, Mopar.

03:00:05.000 Wow, powerful Mopar. 1.00

03:00:06.000 Yeah, that's fucking... 1.00

03:00:07.000 Look at this thing, man. 1.00

03:00:09.000 That's awesome! 0.99

03:00:09.000 This is pretty fucking dope. 0.99

03:00:11.000 But, you know, obviously, you gotta drive real slow and hit no bumps and probably got super annoying. 0.99

03:00:17.000 But look how it works, man.

03:00:18.000 It's crazy.

03:00:19.000 That's badass.

03:00:21.000 Yeah.

03:00:22.000 You pick up the record player, you slide it in there, and it literally...

03:00:27.000 That's a stack.

03:00:28.000 It's like an early CD changer.

03:00:31.000 Yeah, that's what they used to do.

03:00:33.000 People don't remember that, but the needles used to lift up and they would take the next record and drop it down and play the next one.

03:00:41.000 That was so cool back then.

03:00:42.000 We'd stack a bunch of records on top of each other.

03:00:44.000 How much better would it read off that if it's reading the bottom?

03:00:47.000 The weight, right?

03:00:49.000 Oh, yeah, good idea.

03:00:50.000 And if there's any kind of shock absorption there, that would be...

03:00:53.000 Play it, see if we can hear anything.

03:00:57.000 That car's sitting still, though.

03:00:59.000 Yeah.

03:01:01.000 61 DeSoto. 0.75

03:01:03.000 That song makes me want to kill myself.

03:01:05.000 Something about that old music that reminds me of, like, Grandma's house, like, right before she died.

03:01:09.000 And you're like, oh, it's depressing in here.

03:01:12.000 And on that note... 1.00

03:01:14.000 Let's wrap this bitch up and bring it home, Trevor. 1.00

03:01:17.000 Right on. 1.00

03:01:17.000 Thank you, brothers. 1.00

03:01:18.000 Really, we gotta do this more often than every two years.

03:01:20.000 Yeah, right?

03:01:21.000 Absolutely.

03:01:22.000 It's like all those text messages back and forth.

03:01:24.000 Come on, man.

03:01:24.000 We can do this all the time.

03:01:25.000 Fuck yeah, we can do this. 1.00

03:01:26.000 Dude, I'm local. 1.00

03:01:27.000 You're local.

03:01:28.000 Yeah.

03:01:28.000 We can make this happen.

03:01:29.000 Yeah, and next time when you're at the place across the street from where I am, come the fuck over. 0.98

03:01:33.000 Oh, yeah, that's right. 0.90

03:01:34.000 I was at the Ha Ha Cafe.

03:01:35.000 And I was at Tiki No.

03:01:36.000 What's Tiki No? 0.57

03:01:37.000 Tiki No's a badass tiki bar in North Hollywood.

03:01:39.000 Oh.

03:01:40.000 It's right there on Lanker.

03:01:40.000 You go to a lot of bars, fella, huh?

03:01:42.000 Kind of a boozer, a little bit?

03:01:45.000 Functional alcoholic?

03:01:46.000 Cheers, sir.

03:01:47.000 Cheers on that, man.

03:01:48.000 Thank you again.

03:01:48.000 In order.

03:01:50.000 Tattoos and bones on Twitter, if you want to yell at them for being a flat-earth shill, or a round-earth shill, rather.

03:01:57.000 People are already doing it.

03:01:58.000 They're like, you should call him out on his fatness.

03:02:00.000 He's not healthy.

03:02:01.000 Stuff like that.

03:02:02.000 Don't read that out loud, for sure.

03:02:04.000 You're feeding the trolls.

03:02:05.000 Oh, yeah.

03:02:05.000 Now they have data.

03:02:06.000 Hey, Knicks Droid, David Jennings, fuck you. 1.00

03:02:09.000 Alright, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back tomorrow with Duncan Trussell. 1.00

03:02:13.000 See ya!

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 19, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #862 - Trevor Valle

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