The Joe Rogan Experience - October 20, 2016


Joe Rogan Experience #863 - Duncan Trussell

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In this episode, we talk about one of the most influential thinkers of all time, Nietzsche. We also talk about psychedelics and how they changed the way we look at the world and the way that we see things. We also get into the history of psychedelics, including the discovery of LSD and psychedelics in the late 1800s and early 1900s, and how it changed the perception of the world. We talk about the impact that psychedelics had on our perception of reality and the impact they had on the way in which we see it. And we get into some of the weirdest things that have come out of psychedelic research and theories that have been put forward by people who have experimented with psychedelics like Timothy Lear Learner and others. It's a wild ride, and we hope you enjoy it! Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. Please rate, review, and subscribe to our podcast on whatever platform you're listening to this podcast on. If you like what you hear, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever else you re listening, and don't forget to subscribe and share the podcast on your favorite streaming platform so we can keep spreading the word to your friends and family about this podcast! Thank you so much for listening and supporting us! Peace, love, bye! <3 - Elyssa, Elyss -Elyssa and Elyss, xoxo, Jack, - Jack , Jack - & John - - John, Jake, . - Jack, R. - Jake, R - R.J., - J. & Jack, J.J. , and Jack, M. ( ) - P. ( . .J. (S. (A.S. ) - JUICY, , J. (J.A. (R.E. & J. B. (M. B) ) ( ) - J.B. (C. J. E. (D.J.) ) ( ) (AJ. A. (L.A., J. M. & R. (B. B.) & B. S. (P. L. (V. M.) ) )

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00:00:02.000 Oh shit, I put it in airplane mode, okay. 1.00
00:00:06.000 So, God is dead. 1.00
00:00:08.000 He is.
00:00:09.000 No, he is.
00:00:10.000 Why did you say that?
00:00:11.000 He is.
00:00:12.000 What about a bunch of people that had a birthday cake for God? 0.98
00:00:14.000 They're like, well, what the fuck do I do with this now? 0.98
00:00:17.000 And it's infinity candles. 0.97
00:00:18.000 Do you know how fucking badass Nietzsche felt when he said that for the first time, where he was like, God is dead, when it meant something? 0.92
00:00:26.000 Like, now you say it, and people are like, whatever. 0.94
00:00:27.000 Who cares? 1.00
00:00:28.000 Yeah, no shit. 0.99
00:00:30.000 But, like, that... 0.99
00:00:32.000 It was like a nuclear bomb going off.
00:00:36.000 The declaration. 0.69
00:00:38.000 God is dead.
00:00:39.000 Do you not understand?
00:00:40.000 He's dead.
00:00:41.000 When did Nietzsche write that?
00:00:42.000 I don't know, man.
00:00:44.000 I have no idea.
00:00:46.000 Must have been the 1900s or so.
00:00:48.000 I don't know when he was Nietzsche was around.
00:00:50.000 He's in my Carl Jung pile.
00:00:53.000 Well, I'm always like one day I'm gonna really get into his work. 0.87
00:00:56.000 Oh man, he's a he's good cuz he gets into your fucking head man because he like Carl Jung will get in your head, but it's more subtle whereas like Nietzsche like you're reading you ever read any Philip K Dick? 0.94
00:01:07.000 Yes So you know how like you're getting on top of 1882. Wow. 0.99
00:01:12.000 With Philip K. Dick, he was kind of crazy, but he was a genius.
00:01:16.000 So when you read his fiction, it's like you stop reading it and you feel a little crazy for a second because something about the way he's writing just isn't normal.
00:01:26.000 There's something off, man.
00:01:28.000 Nietzsche, it's the same way. 1.00
00:01:29.000 It's like when you stop reading him, you're gonna like spend the next few days like, fuck. 1.00
00:01:34.000 Or like Burroughs. 1.00
00:01:36.000 Yeah, same thing.
00:01:37.000 Outsider artists, kind of.
00:01:39.000 Yeah, I remember reading some of Burroughs' stuff and thinking like, I might get high just reading this.
00:01:45.000 Yeah.
00:01:45.000 You know, like Naked Lunch?
00:01:47.000 That was him, right?
00:01:48.000 Yeah.
00:01:50.000 Terrence McKenna, the same thing.
00:01:51.000 Oh, yeah.
00:01:52.000 You just start tripping when you start reading his writing.
00:01:55.000 Like, you just start tripping.
00:01:56.000 God, I wish I could write like that, man.
00:01:58.000 You could.
00:01:58.000 How dare you.
00:01:59.000 Well, I mean, you would have to spend a lot of time writing.
00:02:02.000 That's all it is.
00:02:03.000 Yeah.
00:02:03.000 That's the only thing that's holding you back.
00:02:05.000 Yeah.
00:02:05.000 Is the amount of time that you would have to spend writing.
00:02:07.000 And reading.
00:02:08.000 You would love it.
00:02:09.000 You would enjoy it.
00:02:10.000 You know, McKenna had some fascinating books.
00:02:14.000 Food of the Gods. 0.91
00:02:16.000 He had some crazy fucking theories that he pitched that I've seen scientists, especially the doubling of the human brain size one, that was a really fascinating theory that he had. 0.99
00:02:27.000 He connected it. 0.98
00:02:29.000 See, I'm not sure if he was right in terms of the climatological data, but his contention, for those of you who are aware of it, was that monkeys had come down from the trees and they experimented with new food sources, and they started flipping over cow patties to get to bugs,
00:02:44.000 because that's what they do.
00:02:45.000 And along the line, they discovered psilocybin mushrooms.
00:02:48.000 And he thinks that the grasslands, the rainforest becoming grasslands, The changing climate led to these chimps, these monkeys, whatever our ancestors were, led to them becoming more experimental.
00:03:03.000 And that could be coincided with a bunch of different things that they know about mushrooms, or it could be sort of confirmed with a bunch of different things.
00:03:11.000 One with that mushrooms increase visual acuity.
00:03:15.000 Yeah.
00:03:16.000 And they've shown this in actual tests with real scientists who are experimenting with it.
00:03:22.000 Who was the other guy?
00:03:23.000 There was one German guy, a straight guy, too, that experimented with this. 0.99
00:03:28.000 God damn it. 0.88
00:03:29.000 I'm trying to remember his name, but he had a really funny line. 0.99
00:03:31.000 What do you mean the straight guy?
00:03:33.000 Straight guy meaning he wasn't a drug guy.
00:03:35.000 He wasn't a drug culture guy.
00:03:36.000 I don't mean straight like homosexual, heterosexual.
00:03:39.000 I mean like he wasn't like Timothy Leary or McKenna or you know, any of these guys are like clear proponents of psychedelics.
00:03:48.000 He was just Yeah,
00:04:07.000 I can remember.
00:04:09.000 Yeah, it's Visual acuity in the periphery, right?
00:04:15.000 So it's like expanding your peripheral vision by a tiny, tiny little bit.
00:04:20.000 Yeah, I don't even know if the test pertained to periphery only.
00:04:23.000 It might have been peripherally as well because I do remember that one specific task, that one specific thing where they were trying to figure out How quickly you could recognize when an angle's changed and you could do it quicker when you were high.
00:04:36.000 That's crazy.
00:04:37.000 Yeah, so there's that and then there's the horniness.
00:04:40.000 Mushrooms are known to make people horny, so that happens.
00:04:44.000 Yes, they are known for that.
00:04:45.000 The creativity aspect of it, there's that, you know, like the tapping into alternative ways of thinking and that would lead to a lot of innovation and And it's also possible that...
00:04:58.000 It's really possible that psilocybin, in some ways, is a nutrient.
00:05:02.000 I mean, it's also...
00:05:03.000 It's an intoxicant, for sure.
00:05:05.000 It's a hallucinogenic, whatever that means.
00:05:07.000 But it might be a nutrient, too.
00:05:09.000 It's entirely possible that this increase in visual acuity and this...
00:05:14.000 Yeah.
00:05:23.000 Yeah.
00:05:26.000 Yeah.
00:05:40.000 And they've been doing these studies on neurons, on repairing neurons and psilocybin.
00:05:46.000 And psilocybin's role in repairing brain disease or brain issues, brain trauma.
00:05:51.000 Might not have been neurons.
00:05:52.000 See if you can find that.
00:05:54.000 The most recent studies with psilocybin and brain damage.
00:06:00.000 And they think it might, in some ways, be able to repair brain damage.
00:06:03.000 Well, if that's the case, what if these monkeys were just eating them all the time?
00:06:07.000 Yeah.
00:06:07.000 And their brains just grew.
00:06:09.000 I mean, what if McKenna was right?
00:06:11.000 Well, yeah, I mean, I think it is pretty safe, a safe bet that monkeys, or what, I mean, monkey isn't the right word, proto-hominids, right, who are wandering the plains are gonna like, if we're omnivores, we're definitely gonna be eating whatever we can find that gives us nutrition, 0.99
00:06:30.000 that has nutritional value, especially if you're out in the hunt, you're hungry, the thing you're hunting, shitting, food is growing out of its shit. 0.99
00:06:38.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:06:38.000 Well, I don't even think they were hunting then. 0.99
00:06:40.000 I don't think they could hunt something that big.
00:06:42.000 I don't think they had weapons.
00:06:44.000 What do you mean?
00:06:44.000 I think what they were doing was they were gathering.
00:06:46.000 They were eating a lot of bugs.
00:06:47.000 We were insectivores.
00:06:48.000 I thought his idea was that there's climate change.
00:06:52.000 And so we start moving into the grasslands and then we're hunting bovine animals.
00:07:02.000 No, I don't think that was the contention.
00:07:03.000 I think the contention was flipping over the cow patties. 0.98
00:07:07.000 I thought it was that because the thing that you're hunting is going to be shitting things that grow mushrooms.
00:07:13.000 No, I don't think so.
00:07:15.000 I think it was way later when they started doing that.
00:07:19.000 Here's a study that Jamie pulled up.
00:07:21.000 It says psilocybin mushrooms stimulate the growth of brain cells.
00:07:25.000 Psychedelic mushrooms have already had a reputation for helping people open their minds and broaden their perspectives in the world Some have shown the ability to combat mental disorders like depression anxiety and now research is showing that magic mushrooms can actually Help physically rebuild a damaged brain.
00:07:41.000 Well if that's the case If it's a case that it can physically help rebuild a damaged brain maybe over long-term consumption It can actually make a brain grow I think, I'm almost positive that McKenna's idea was not that they were hunting these things, but they were flipping over cow patties looking for beetles and grubs and worms and stuff.
00:07:59.000 Makes sense, sure.
00:08:00.000 Because I think we're talking about like really small ancient hominids. 1.00
00:08:04.000 I don't think we really hunted until we figured out tools.
00:08:06.000 I mean, not like large scale, like large animal type hunting.
00:08:10.000 So that was, I think that was way later than the human brain size growing.
00:08:14.000 Like when they, when they developed like the atlatl, you ever seen someone use that?
00:08:18.000 No.
00:08:18.000 It's the precursor to the bow and arrow.
00:08:21.000 Before the bow and arrow, they figured out a thing called an atlatl.
00:08:24.000 Yeah.
00:08:25.000 And it's crazy.
00:08:26.000 It's got a handle on it, and you put a spear in it.
00:08:29.000 And you launch the spear with a handle.
00:08:32.000 Like, almost like it's a crazy lacrosse ball.
00:08:35.000 Yeah, that's crazy.
00:08:35.000 See it there?
00:08:36.000 That's what it looks like.
00:08:38.000 There's guys that make them, and there's videos, Jamie.
00:08:41.000 You can see a guy that made his own and used it.
00:08:43.000 There's a bunch of them, actually.
00:08:45.000 But, you know, people take those things and they throw them at targets.
00:08:50.000 And they're not very accurate.
00:08:52.000 I mean, they're okay accurate in comparison to, like...
00:08:56.000 I guess if you were, you know, you weren't skilled and you tried to hit it with a rock, I mean, it's probably more accurate than that.
00:09:03.000 And if you could sneak up on an animal, you could probably get some good penetration.
00:09:07.000 They probably got really good at it eventually.
00:09:09.000 But that was the first of many weapons that could launch things through the air that they figured out.
00:09:15.000 Have you seen that weird ritual that chimpanzees are doing where they throw rocks at a tree?
00:09:23.000 Have you seen that?
00:09:24.000 Yeah, what is that?
00:09:25.000 Well, they don't know.
00:09:26.000 It's the idea that they're developing their own weird culture, their own superstition or something.
00:09:31.000 They just feel like they're doing something.
00:09:35.000 I mean, we don't understand what it is, but it's a thing where you're throwing rocks at trees.
00:09:39.000 And then there's all these rocks that are kind of laying around certain trees because chimps have decided to just start lobbing rocks at them.
00:09:47.000 And they're saying, is this some emerging chimpanzee religion or culture?
00:09:54.000 Whoa.
00:09:55.000 Yeah, it's very weird, man.
00:09:56.000 Like, what are they doing?
00:09:59.000 Why?
00:09:59.000 Do you know that they have...
00:10:01.000 It's sort of been agreed upon by a lot of the people that study these animals that they're entering into the Stone Age.
00:10:08.000 Right.
00:10:09.000 Like, this is the actual, like...
00:10:12.000 When they're talking about chimpanzees and they're looking at their growth and they're learning, they're thinking they're in a new place now.
00:10:20.000 They're thinking they're starting to use tools, they're starting to use stones, and other great apes are using tools as well. 0.92
00:10:25.000 We knew that they would get...
00:10:28.000 Not we, like you and I are out there doing research.
00:10:31.000 As we predicted.
00:10:32.000 As we predicted, Duncan.
00:10:34.000 You know, we always knew they used sticks to get like termites and stuff. 0.99
00:10:37.000 But now they're figuring out a way to do all kinds of crazy shit. 0.97
00:10:41.000 Have you ever seen the one orangutan that figured out how to spearfish? 1.00
00:10:44.000 Yeah, I did see that shit. 1.00
00:10:46.000 That fucking picture of him hanging over the river with a spear in his hand? 1.00
00:10:49.000 It's crazy. 1.00
00:10:49.000 It's insane. 1.00
00:10:50.000 To me what's really particularly interesting is that as our society and our species is moving into some new era, as we're moving into some God knows what the fuck it is, These guys are too. 0.98
00:11:04.000 Yeah, they are too. 0.89
00:11:04.000 It's like they're moving for them that state of the art. 0.89
00:11:09.000 You're looking at goddamn Elon Musk right there. 0.98
00:11:12.000 That's the Elon Musk of orangutans right there. 1.00
00:11:15.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00
00:11:16.000 Look at him! 1.00
00:11:17.000 He's like fucking using that thing to get fish. 1.00
00:11:20.000 He's a genius. 1.00
00:11:21.000 That's a genius.
00:11:22.000 Like in the same way that like we have people sending things to Mars.
00:11:26.000 But it's funny that the two are coinciding.
00:11:29.000 Like it's funny that it appears.
00:11:30.000 Now I don't know how long this has been going on, but it's like, it seems like this sort of trickle in of stories of monkeys suddenly doing things like this.
00:11:41.000 It could be related to just more people researching and getting more data that's always been there.
00:11:45.000 Who knows?
00:11:46.000 Is that a different one, Jamie, or the same orangutan? 0.99
00:11:49.000 It's the same guy?
00:11:52.000 Oh, there's a whole video of him doing it? 1.00
00:11:54.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
00:11:57.000 Funny orangutan fishing. 1.00
00:11:59.000 Wow.
00:12:00.000 Haha, it's just funny.
00:12:01.000 You're a leap forward in evolutionary history. 0.68
00:12:05.000 It's funny to us, you hairy thing.
00:12:08.000 So we're looking at him, sitting there, hanging on this rock, looking over at this little puddle that they have fish in.
00:12:14.000 It's obviously set up.
00:12:16.000 So I think they probably taught him how to do this.
00:12:18.000 He's not fishing in the wild.
00:12:21.000 It's almost like he's getting groceries.
00:12:23.000 It seems like a very small little...
00:12:25.000 Like a puddle with fish in it, you know?
00:12:29.000 Like they just taught him how to do it.
00:12:31.000 They're kind of cheating.
00:12:32.000 Yeah, that's cheating.
00:12:33.000 The other orangutan was doing it hanging over a flowing river.
00:12:39.000 Like he was really figuring it out as he was going along.
00:12:42.000 Yeah, what's this guy doing? 0.99
00:12:43.000 He's like fucking picking at ropes. 0.98
00:12:46.000 Yeah, I mean this is a puddle, right? 0.99
00:12:50.000 It seems like this is something they did for science.
00:12:56.000 They figured out a way to teach them how to stab those fish.
00:12:59.000 If you just teach them that that's where the fish are and you can get it with a stick, that's not as impressive.
00:13:03.000 You can teach a dog to do that.
00:13:05.000 Well, I mean, I think I've seen birds...
00:13:08.000 I think it's birds that use...
00:13:10.000 There's some video of a bird putting bait down and then catching something with it.
00:13:15.000 Other creatures use bait to fish.
00:13:18.000 There are other species that do it.
00:13:21.000 I've seen that, too.
00:13:22.000 Yeah, I've seen birds do it.
00:13:25.000 Don't orcas do it, too?
00:13:26.000 Haven't orcas done it?
00:13:28.000 I didn't know they used bait.
00:13:30.000 Yeah.
00:13:31.000 Why do I feel like orcas have done it, too?
00:13:34.000 Yeah, there you go.
00:13:35.000 Look at that smart guy.
00:13:36.000 Look at that.
00:13:38.000 Yeah, it's really interesting, right?
00:13:40.000 Yeah.
00:13:41.000 He just sits there and waits.
00:13:42.000 He waits for the fish to come near the bread.
00:13:44.000 He's like baiting.
00:13:46.000 Like how did he figure it out?
00:13:47.000 Did he see something do it or did he like innovate this himself?
00:13:52.000 It's a real good question.
00:13:53.000 Who taught him that?
00:13:54.000 And this isn't even like one of the most clever birds, right?
00:13:58.000 Like ravens.
00:13:59.000 Ravens are the most clever.
00:14:01.000 Yeah.
00:14:03.000 He's got to get his bread.
00:14:04.000 It goes too far away. 1.00
00:14:05.000 See, it gets away and he's like, nah, bitch. 1.00
00:14:07.000 Nobody rides for free. 1.00
00:14:08.000 I'm bringing my bread back.
00:14:09.000 We keep it right there.
00:14:11.000 Right?
00:14:12.000 They tried to move away with it.
00:14:13.000 Yeah.
00:14:13.000 It got too far away.
00:14:14.000 He's like, no, [... 1.00
00:14:17.000 No, bitch. 1.00
00:14:18.000 Stay right here. 1.00
00:14:20.000 You've seen, I'm sure, the, oh look at that, just snatched that fish. 0.99
00:14:23.000 That fish is like, what in the fuck just happened? 0.91
00:14:26.000 The thing about it is, it snatched it up, and here's the thing, that bird is not that much bigger than that fish. 0.99
00:14:32.000 Right.
00:14:33.000 And it did it like it was nothing.
00:14:34.000 That's how creepy birds are.
00:14:36.000 Look, he snacked them, and just walked away with it like, no big deal.
00:14:39.000 It's like you having like a small puppy in your hands.
00:14:43.000 That's how he walked away with it.
00:14:45.000 I mean bigger than a puppy.
00:14:46.000 Like that thing's bigger than his head.
00:14:48.000 That's like a full-size dog.
00:14:50.000 Oh yeah, for sure.
00:14:51.000 But I'm saying like the way he held it was the way you would hold a puppy.
00:14:54.000 Like you'd have no problem walking with a puppy.
00:14:56.000 Very light.
00:14:56.000 But that thing is, you know, probably 25% of its body weight.
00:15:00.000 Like he's mostly feathers, right?
00:15:03.000 Take away all of his feathers.
00:15:04.000 That fish might be, at the very least, might be like, you know, 15% of its body weight.
00:15:12.000 Yeah, have you ever heard the idea of like, you know, like we smack an ant or something, you smash an ant, and that ant has no idea.
00:15:21.000 There's no way that ant could possibly comprehend what has happened to it.
00:15:25.000 Or when you have a line of ants going into your sink or whatever.
00:15:29.000 Right.
00:15:30.000 That line of ants, they can't comprehend what you are.
00:15:34.000 Like, you walk by the line of ants, they have some instinct, maybe, to run away from you.
00:15:38.000 A lot of times they don't even run away from you.
00:15:40.000 You turn the sink on, kill like 30 of them in a second, but they don't, they can't, whatever way they used to think, they can't process it, right? 1.00
00:15:49.000 So death to that ant. 0.69
00:15:51.000 It's going to be processing its extinction in some way that we can't even understand, right?
00:15:57.000 So there's this idea, my friend was telling me that in the same way when a human dies, what we process is like, oh yeah, he got in a car accident, man.
00:16:08.000 What really happened was some kind of like hyperdimensional event that we can only see one tiny piece of that looks like a car accident.
00:16:17.000 The way our minds process the thing being wiped out Off the face of this dimension is by like, oh, car wreck, car wreck.
00:16:25.000 But really, there's like all these other levels involved.
00:16:29.000 So it's like maybe some hyper-dimensional entity just squashed your friend.
00:16:34.000 And the way it manifested is like, oh, a car wreck.
00:16:37.000 It was a car wreck.
00:16:38.000 But really, no.
00:16:39.000 That's just the way our brains process that event from where we're at currently in our ability to comprehend reality.
00:16:47.000 People who listen to this are going, does that mean I can text and drive?
00:16:51.000 Texting and driving is easy.
00:16:52.000 It's fine.
00:16:53.000 No, when they see you doing that, they smash you.
00:16:57.000 Maybe it's just an accident.
00:16:59.000 What?
00:16:59.000 Death?
00:17:00.000 No, maybe the accidents are just accidents.
00:17:02.000 Maybe it's not a hyper-dimensional being putting a squish down on you.
00:17:05.000 I don't know, man.
00:17:08.000 Looks like things are not like that, man.
00:17:11.000 But we don't...
00:17:12.000 I mean, really, we don't know.
00:17:15.000 But the same way these chimps are doing these things that to us seem pretty cute, really.
00:17:21.000 Like, cute.
00:17:23.000 In the same way, like...
00:17:25.000 You know, there's this idea that we're going to sort of...
00:17:28.000 God, I wish I could remember who explained this.
00:17:30.000 It's like, okay, human existence up until the point of flight was completely based on, like, you would climb a mountain and then you could see the ground like you're from an airplane.
00:17:42.000 That's pretty much it.
00:17:44.000 Climb up a tree, I guess.
00:17:45.000 You get some altitude.
00:17:45.000 You can see this whole new perspective on what things look like from a high place.
00:17:50.000 But you certainly couldn't get the perspective of flying through the air and looking down at all this stuff that formerly in front of you is like looming over you.
00:17:59.000 It's like when I... You know, I have two little dogs.
00:18:03.000 Adorable, adorable little babies. 0.99
00:18:04.000 But you pick them up, and like, for you it's no big deal, but for that dog, it's seeing what's on top of the fucking counters, man. 0.99
00:18:11.000 It's like, doesn't see that usually. 0.98
00:18:12.000 It's looking up at everything.
00:18:14.000 So it transforms its reality a little bit.
00:18:16.000 So flight transformed human reality in this intense way.
00:18:22.000 And now the satellites floating around our planet have transformed it even more. 0.99
00:18:27.000 Because we see, oh shit, yeah, we're on a planet. 0.96
00:18:29.000 It's a ball that we're floating around, or a flat Earth, or whatever. 0.97
00:18:35.000 So in the same way, the next sort of liftoff is to somehow rise above the time-space continuum, so that time itself becomes an object instead of a thing that we're stuck inside of.
00:18:50.000 That's like the next big liftoff, and that there are already things that are See time as an object instead of as a river that we're currently being rolled around in and For them we look totally different.
00:19:04.000 So that's like the next that's what like maybe McKenna was talking about the idea of the time machine or the singularity or whatever is that like once we figure that I know that There's never gonna be a fucking time.
00:19:15.000 I know it's insane, but theoretically it's possible.
00:19:19.000 You know, people do say it.
00:19:20.000 It could be possible.
00:19:22.000 Like, there's no, necessarily, there is no reason for us to be stuck in the current way that we are. 0.98
00:19:27.000 At least that's from the fucking documentary I saw when I was super stoned four years ago. 0.89
00:19:34.000 Like, they were saying you could use, like, the power of a star or something to... 0.98
00:19:38.000 Yeah.
00:19:38.000 I'm trying to remember who, what German mathematician...
00:19:43.000 It was like a German mathematician that theorized about the time machine.
00:19:50.000 That the time machine would have to be...
00:19:52.000 I want to say the machine would have to be as big as the solar system.
00:19:55.000 Right.
00:19:55.000 It would have to be spinning at the speed of light and transverse its axis or something like that.
00:19:59.000 Yeah, that's it.
00:19:59.000 Yeah, something like that insane.
00:20:01.000 But it's not...
00:20:02.000 I mean, obviously for where we're at right now, this isn't a feasible option.
00:20:06.000 Right.
00:20:07.000 But...
00:20:08.000 If it's possible, and we exist in an infinite universe, then why wouldn't things have potentially figured out a way to get beyond the time-space continuum?
00:20:17.000 So we're looking for aliens inside of time and space.
00:20:21.000 But maybe there's the thing that we're looking for.
00:20:25.000 We don't even have the technology to scan outside of past, present, and future, because that's what we're in right now.
00:20:31.000 These things are way outside of our understanding of what Of what this even is. 0.95
00:20:38.000 We can't even fucking see them. 0.97
00:20:39.000 Like, the ants can't see us. 0.99
00:20:41.000 Like, we can't even see them.
00:20:42.000 We couldn't talk to them.
00:20:43.000 An ant can't talk to you.
00:20:44.000 You know, I saved a bee from my swimming pool, and I swear to God, it seemed like it was thanking me.
00:20:49.000 Like, I pulled it out.
00:20:50.000 How high were you on a 1 to 10?
00:20:52.000 When am I not high?
00:20:55.000 Is the question.
00:20:56.000 But I pulled the bumblebee out and I put it down.
00:21:01.000 I was watching it.
00:21:02.000 It's really cool, you know?
00:21:04.000 It dried itself off.
00:21:06.000 It went through this whole thing.
00:21:07.000 It's like watching a dog dry itself off.
00:21:09.000 And then it did this cool little, I swear, it was like a little dance in front of me.
00:21:14.000 This weird little, cool little bobbing dance thing and then flew away. 0.99
00:21:18.000 I'm like, did that fucking bee just like... 0.98
00:21:21.000 Thank me or like was that like some form of attempting to communicate with me? 0.99
00:21:25.000 I mean bees certainly communicate with each other.
00:21:28.000 There is communication among insects and I don't know if they're aware that we exist, but if they talk to each other, isn't it possible they might try to talk to us?
00:21:36.000 Did I ever tell you about the time on Fear Factor where the bees communicated with local bees?
00:21:41.000 Did I tell you that?
00:21:42.000 No.
00:21:42.000 I didn't tell you that?
00:21:43.000 No.
00:21:43.000 This is a fascinating moment because there was a guy who was a beekeeper and what he was doing is he was at the Sagebrush...
00:21:51.000 Sagebrush Ranch?
00:21:52.000 No.
00:21:53.000 I forget the name of the ranch, but it just burnt down in Santa Clarita.
00:21:57.000 It's this big ranch that used to film TV shows out there.
00:22:00.000 They attached them to this rope, and then they made them stand connected to this pole, and they covered them with bees.
00:22:12.000 They covered them from head to toe with bees. 1.00
00:22:14.000 And they had to stand there for a certain amount of time.
00:22:16.000 Some people didn't get stung at all.
00:22:18.000 It's really interesting.
00:22:18.000 Some people got stung.
00:22:20.000 I got stung just for being around them.
00:22:22.000 But this guy really knew how to take care of these bees.
00:22:26.000 I was covered in bees at one point in time. 0.99
00:22:28.000 And you just stay calm, and he eventually blows them off you with smoke and shit. 0.98
00:22:33.000 Anyway, while they're doing this, he's a beekeeper, so he's got his own hive. 0.95
00:22:38.000 This local group of bees came over and they met in the sky above us.
00:22:43.000 And all of his bees went up to talk to all those bees.
00:22:46.000 And he said, we got to get out of here.
00:22:48.000 We have to stand back and let them work this out.
00:22:51.000 We have to stop filming.
00:22:52.000 We stand back and let us work this out.
00:22:54.000 So it was me and my friend David Hurwitz, who was the producer of the show.
00:22:59.000 We were looking at each other like, they're going to talk it out? 0.99
00:23:01.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99
00:23:02.000 And we're sitting there watching these bees above us. 1.00
00:23:06.000 Just getting together, and they were literally trying to sort out who these newbies were, what their plans were.
00:23:12.000 How'd you get on Fear Factor, man?
00:23:14.000 Can you get me on that show?
00:23:17.000 Wait, what?
00:23:17.000 Was it SAG? Are you in SAG? That's crazy, dude.
00:23:22.000 That's crazy.
00:23:23.000 Yeah, it was really interesting.
00:23:24.000 And it lasted for about half an hour, if I remember correctly.
00:23:27.000 They talked it out for half an hour, and then the other bees went their separate way.
00:23:30.000 And then everybody figured out...
00:23:32.000 Everybody knew where everybody belonged.
00:23:33.000 Right.
00:23:34.000 Like those tiny little itsy-bitsy pinhead brains had decided these are not their friends.
00:23:41.000 These are their friends.
00:23:42.000 This is where they belong.
00:23:43.000 They're in this traveling hive of...
00:23:45.000 For some reason is in the middle of Santa Clarita right now.
00:23:47.000 Yeah, it's nuts. 0.99
00:23:49.000 I mean all the levels of communication happening around us at any given moment are it's astounding we can't deal with it like it's just too much to handle So we sort of get focused on our own little lives as human beings or whatever but fuck man There's a lot more going on. 0.88
00:24:05.000 I mean just that yeah, you know that if that's happening with bees There's then it's probably happening with everything And so then we're in this, like, and we talk about this a lot, but that means we really are in a matrix of intelligence and we've just decided to focus on this one the way that we're doing it right now,
00:24:23.000 you know, which is a pretty, uh, it's sad in a weird way because we do, you do cut out, you cut yourself out of a whole other, uh, community.
00:24:34.000 That's one of the things I like about, like, the Native American mythology is that they, uh, You know, it seems like they had less of a distinction between humans and animals.
00:24:44.000 It was like, these are our brothers, too.
00:24:46.000 I'm confused with what you're saying by you're cutting yourself out of a community?
00:24:49.000 Like, what do you mean?
00:24:50.000 So it's like, okay, like, let's just take it from the human level.
00:24:54.000 Okay.
00:24:54.000 A lot of people, they don't even mean to be, but they're snobs, right?
00:24:58.000 Human snobs? 1.00
00:24:59.000 Human snobs, right? 1.00
00:25:00.000 So a human snob...
00:25:02.000 Is exclusive, right?
00:25:04.000 So they have this exclusive relationship with the world where they allow into their periphery or in their circle of friends.
00:25:10.000 I'm letting you into my circle of friends.
00:25:13.000 So I have this, like, tight circle of friends. 0.99
00:25:15.000 And then other people, based on whatever their particular metric is for determining who they want around them, you know, shit snobs are the ones who happen. 1.00
00:25:24.000 You know those people who happen to...
00:25:26.000 Only be friends with successful people it's like they're only friends with like like celebrities and they're only for like weird that a weird coincidence how did that happen holy shit I don't understand how that happened you know so there's that which is like for them they want to interact in this particular like part of the societal ecosystem Which means they're excluding, 0.96
00:25:48.000 excluding, excluding, excluding all these other fucking people, right? 0.95
00:25:52.000 Right. 0.98
00:25:52.000 And so the moment you stop, you start experimenting with not excluding people as much as you can, this doesn't mean you let annoying people around or people who don't have the good intentions with you around or whatever. 0.98
00:26:05.000 You sound like you're giving advice to stuck-up Hollywood elites.
00:26:08.000 No, I'm giving advice.
00:26:11.000 It's not just in Hollywood.
00:26:12.000 It's like the elites in general.
00:26:14.000 There's actually some book I heard about.
00:26:17.000 I didn't read it.
00:26:17.000 It's a really cool idea, though, which is like the Galapagos Islands.
00:26:21.000 Here we have these beings that have evolved in a certain way because they're completely separated from everything else.
00:26:26.000 It's fascinating to see.
00:26:28.000 So in the same way, there's a kind of economic Galapagos that happens with wealthy people, which is that they only get around each other, and so they start mating within their own circles, and And they start exchanging only information that wealthy people have.
00:26:42.000 And so this creates a kind of hybrid, a weird new form of human being, which is the elite wealthy class.
00:26:50.000 Not a new idea. 0.99
00:26:51.000 The kings and queens would only like fuck within bloodlines and stuff. 0.99
00:26:54.000 It's an intentional form of like wealth eugenics or something. 0.98
00:27:00.000 But anyway, what ends up happening when you're doing that is you end up cutting off all these other Forms of information that come in. 0.74
00:27:08.000 And then also you start living according to a pretty ridiculous fucking idea, which is that all these other people, whatever they're doing, whoever they are, whatever it is, you know, that's just not really worth it. 0.67
00:27:21.000 Like, what does that person really have to tell me that I need to hear? 0.98
00:27:25.000 Is that what it is?
00:27:26.000 Or is it that they feel like they can get along with those other people because the other people are going to understand them?
00:27:31.000 Because people do find like-minded groups of people and hang out together.
00:27:35.000 And if you're like some super wealthy Rothschild guy and you become friends with some weirdo painter dude, I mean, how much do you guys have in common?
00:27:43.000 You have so much in common.
00:27:46.000 Do you really? 1.00
00:27:47.000 Fuck yeah, you do, man. 1.00
00:27:48.000 You have the human condition. 1.00
00:27:50.000 You have the gravity.
00:27:51.000 You're both dealing with a gravitational field. 1.00
00:27:53.000 You're both in a fucking body that's goddamn melting down with the progression of time. 1.00
00:27:58.000 You're probably going to have to... 1.00
00:28:00.000 Both of you are going to have to bury your mom.
00:28:01.000 You're going to have to bury your dad.
00:28:03.000 You're both...
00:28:03.000 There's so many...
00:28:04.000 Sure.
00:28:05.000 There's a lot of things you have in common, but...
00:28:06.000 They would have to completely open their mind up to accept all these things.
00:28:09.000 That's it.
00:28:10.000 You have to change the way a person thinks, and you have to change, in essence, who they are, right?
00:28:15.000 And some people just don't have any desire to do that.
00:28:17.000 Well, there's the problem.
00:28:18.000 And what's even worse is when that kind of idea is encouraged, when that's looked at as like, oh, this is just a totally normal way to be.
00:28:30.000 Country club.
00:28:31.000 Uptown girl.
00:28:33.000 She's been living in an uptown world.
00:28:37.000 I bet you never had a backstreet guy. 1.00
00:28:40.000 Yeah, that shit, man. 1.00
00:28:42.000 So that exclusivity, even from a human perspective, cuts you off to a lot of data. 1.00
00:28:50.000 Admittedly, some of that data is probably going to suck. 0.90
00:28:52.000 But a lot of the data is gonna be really fucking good information that can make your life better. 0.68
00:28:58.000 Stuff's gonna come to you that you would never expect when you reduce your exclusivity.
00:29:04.000 So, in that same way, humans as a species are exclusive.
00:29:09.000 We place ourselves as the top of the food chain, human beings, and underneath us is all this incredible biomass filled with all these other forms of life that we have managed, many people have managed to reduce to being some kind of meat machines.
00:29:27.000 Or vegetable.
00:29:28.000 Or vegetable, exactly.
00:29:30.000 Or plant life, or whatever it is.
00:29:32.000 It's all life.
00:29:33.000 It's all life.
00:29:34.000 And anytime you start talking about like, I'm not positive about this, but I feel like I can communicate with this plant in some way.
00:29:43.000 Like when I'm watering my plants, I swear to God, man, some little piece of me is like, I think they know I'm watering them.
00:29:48.000 Like, I think there's an awareness here.
00:29:50.000 I don't know if it's real either, but it does feel interesting.
00:29:54.000 Yeah.
00:29:54.000 I've been in grow rooms before.
00:29:55.000 There you go.
00:29:56.000 And grow rooms, it's like you walked into a room full of happy aliens.
00:30:00.000 Yeah.
00:30:01.000 It's really what it's like.
00:30:02.000 It's like, hi!
00:30:04.000 Like, hey, how you guys doing?
00:30:06.000 It really feels like you're saying hi to all these plants.
00:30:09.000 That's it, man. 1.00
00:30:09.000 It might be 100% bullshit. 1.00
00:30:11.000 It might be 100% in my imagination. 1.00
00:30:14.000 I might have concocted it out of thin air.
00:30:16.000 But going back to what you were saying earlier about ants, And the system that ants live under and bees, how these bees can communicate with each other through pheromones and some other way. 0.98
00:30:26.000 I mean, I don't know exactly how they're sorting out who's who and which clan belongs in what part of the woods or, you know, who the fuck knows. 0.98
00:30:35.000 But... 0.97
00:30:36.000 The thing that we know about human beings is that there are signals that are around us constantly that we can't detect.
00:30:44.000 Wi-Fi and radio and television and satellite.
00:30:48.000 All that stuff is broadcasting around us, through the air around us constantly, and we can't detect it.
00:30:54.000 Right.
00:30:54.000 And we also know that all throughout nature are these animals that are blind, there's animals that can't see, there's worms, there's all sorts of things that have no idea you're there, no idea that you're watching television, and there's no idea that you're about to get in your car.
00:31:07.000 They don't even know what the fuck a car is because they don't have the senses to detect it. 0.98
00:31:11.000 Why would we assume that we hit the fucking bonanza with the senses and we've got it all down? 0.99
00:31:16.000 I don't know. 1.00
00:31:17.000 It's ridiculous, right? 0.99
00:31:17.000 It's ridiculous. 0.99
00:31:18.000 There's probably, like, I mean, I don't know what those quantum physicists guys are up to.
00:31:24.000 I think, didn't they say they were up to like, they believe there's more than 30 different dimensions now?
00:31:29.000 Yeah.
00:31:29.000 They used to think it was 11, and now there's some schools of thought that it's like 30 dimensions.
00:31:33.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:31:33.000 Who the fuck knows? 0.99
00:31:34.000 It could be infinite. 0.99
00:31:36.000 But the point is, these could be worlds that are in our midst.
00:31:41.000 They're just in a non-physical sense.
00:31:44.000 The same way ideas are non-physical, the same way imagination is non-physical, the same way certain forms of communication.
00:31:54.000 You're just saying something to someone, right?
00:31:57.000 I'm looking at you, I'm telling you I love you and you're my friend.
00:32:00.000 It's a non-physical thing, but it gives you a physical reaction like, Oh, thanks, man.
00:32:05.000 I love you, too.
00:32:06.000 I'm glad we're friends.
00:32:07.000 That's some sort of weird non-physical energy exchange.
00:32:11.000 That's right.
00:32:11.000 It's not just as simple as, you know, oh, two people showing affection for each other, two friends showing each other love.
00:32:16.000 There's something else going on, too.
00:32:19.000 That's it.
00:32:19.000 Yeah, there's an energy exchange.
00:32:22.000 There's both people get happy.
00:32:23.000 When I tell someone I love them, I get happy, too.
00:32:25.000 Yeah.
00:32:26.000 They get happy.
00:32:27.000 Everybody boosts up.
00:32:29.000 It's like a very underrated thing, telling your friends that you love them.
00:32:32.000 Yeah, oh, it's shocking.
00:32:33.000 Like, you're not even supposed to do it.
00:32:35.000 But, like, again, because we live, this is, I mean, so much of what we live in is, like, very advanced, but so much of it is, like, ridiculously barbaric and primitive.
00:32:45.000 Oh, yeah.
00:32:45.000 That to tell your friend you love them can be a shocking moment.
00:32:48.000 Ari Shaffir still stammers.
00:32:50.000 It's so weird!
00:32:51.000 I go, all right, I love you, dude.
00:32:52.000 He goes, yeah, I love you, too.
00:32:54.000 I gotta go.
00:32:55.000 Ha ha ha!
00:32:57.000 Joey Diaz, you know I love you, dog.
00:32:59.000 Joey's like the most loving guy of all time.
00:33:02.000 Eddie Bravo's a very loving guy.
00:33:04.000 We know a lot of loving people.
00:33:07.000 Schaub's loving.
00:33:08.000 I think we are love.
00:33:11.000 And the thing that I've been thinking lately, or just playing around this idea, is like, what if...
00:33:16.000 I have all these different versions of it, and I don't quite know the right way to get it out.
00:33:21.000 So imagine like...
00:33:23.000 And directly behind you is a window that opens up into a universe where everything's made of love, right?
00:33:31.000 And you're standing in front of the window blocking that light, right?
00:33:36.000 You're standing in front of the window.
00:33:38.000 And so like the human condition, again, this is just a thought experiment and admittedly a very high thought experiment that I had, but I can't get it out of my head.
00:33:47.000 And I've heard Ram Dass give different versions of this too.
00:33:50.000 So the idea is like, here's this window opening up into this alternate I don't even want to call it an alternate universe.
00:33:56.000 The actual universe. 0.98
00:33:58.000 I guess it's kind of like Plato's allegory of the cave too, but you're standing in front of this fucking window, blocking the love. 0.99
00:34:05.000 Your ego is, right? 0.99
00:34:06.000 Your ego is.
00:34:07.000 And so, the more...
00:34:10.000 The more opaque your ego becomes, the more you allow yourself to become less and less of a thing stuck to anything at all, the more the light from that universe shines into this one, right?
00:34:21.000 So when you're with someone who's like, I love you!
00:34:24.000 I really love you!
00:34:25.000 They've gotten over their ego enough To let the light from that window, they've kind of managed to let that light shine through them for a second into this dimension, which is why it's so shocking.
00:34:36.000 And maybe why babies are so entrancing, because there's no ego there.
00:34:41.000 They're just a pure...
00:34:43.000 Blast of love or dogs in the same way or cats or like anything that loves you is so incredible because what they actually are are like Windows or portals into their reality of what our universe is which is love and so if you're blocking the window then that means that like You're mostly living in a world of shadows like a person who's like very egotistical Is like living in a shadowy world dude,
00:35:10.000 you spent way too much time at Burning Man You fried your brain.
00:35:14.000 I didn't spend enough time. 1.00
00:35:15.000 You fried your brain. 0.55
00:35:17.000 You're talking windows, love, letting things through.
00:35:19.000 Let it in, man.
00:35:21.000 Let it in.
00:35:21.000 Let it in.
00:35:22.000 When are you starting your cult?
00:35:23.000 Can I join?
00:35:24.000 I want to join yours.
00:35:25.000 Can we join each other's?
00:35:29.000 Oh.
00:35:31.000 I was just thinking when you were talking about dimensions, is that an egotistical point of view that we have, that there's a portal to another dimension?
00:35:41.000 And is it really just that these dimensions are constantly around us, we just don't have the ability to access them?
00:35:47.000 They're there all the time.
00:35:48.000 Yeah.
00:35:49.000 Maybe that's, like, legitimately why no one...
00:35:52.000 Like, the Fermi Paradox, you know the Fermi Paradox?
00:35:54.000 Yes.
00:35:55.000 Which is, um, if there's so many stars and so many planets, where are there all the aliens?
00:35:59.000 Right. 0.99
00:35:59.000 Where's the fucking aliens? 0.99
00:36:00.000 Um, maybe they don't... 1.00
00:36:02.000 Maybe they get so smart that they never do that.
00:36:05.000 Like, maybe no one does that.
00:36:06.000 Maybe we're, like, in this rudimentary thing. 1.00
00:36:08.000 Like, these stupid fucks are still... 1.00
00:36:10.000 They're still making metal dicks and trying to fuck the sky. 1.00
00:36:13.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:36:13.000 They're shooting rockets up into space. 0.99
00:36:15.000 Yeah.
00:36:16.000 And they're landing people.
00:36:17.000 They're still doing it that way.
00:36:19.000 They lack the ability to transcend space and time and to just pass through other dimensions.
00:36:26.000 It's like as a species, we're like a crazy person in a bus station staring at his hand and being like, where are the aliens?
00:36:34.000 I don't see the aliens in my hand.
00:36:37.000 When it's like all he has to do is look up and he's surrounded by it. 0.96
00:36:40.000 You know the ultimate mindfuck when it comes to the time travel, right? 0.94
00:36:44.000 No. 0.97
00:36:44.000 The ultimate mindfuck when it comes to time travel is that one day they are going to have a time machine. 0.97
00:36:51.000 And it's probably likely. 0.87
00:36:53.000 It might take 100,000 years.
00:36:54.000 Yeah, right.
00:36:55.000 Who knows?
00:36:56.000 How long?
00:36:56.000 Think about when was the first tool?
00:36:59.000 Like, what was it?
00:36:59.000 A couple hundred thousand years ago?
00:37:01.000 I don't know.
00:37:01.000 I think it was.
00:37:02.000 I think the first tools were somewhere around...
00:37:04.000 I have to look at my calendar.
00:37:06.000 I'm not sure.
00:37:06.000 So, from the first tool to now, a couple hundred thousand years, I think, from now to a time machine, if we stay alive, if we don't blow ourselves up, we don't get hit by an asteroid, if we keep improving, they're gonna figure it out.
00:37:21.000 And the day they figure it out, what becomes crazy is, then...
00:37:26.000 All time travel from any point in the future to that moment is possible, and to any place else on the scale.
00:37:34.000 See, the idea is that you can only travel where there's a road.
00:37:39.000 So once the time machine is invented, Yeah.
00:37:42.000 Time ceases to be linear and everything happens all at once.
00:37:46.000 Right.
00:37:47.000 Like literally anyone can come back to any point in time and go back and forth.
00:37:52.000 You could smack someone and then you go back in time before you smack them and kiss them and then go back in time and smack them and they'll go back in time and kiss them. 0.96
00:38:00.000 You could pull their pants down. 0.97
00:38:02.000 You could pull their pants up. 0.99
00:38:03.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:38:03.000 You could do whatever the fuck. 1.00
00:38:04.000 I mean you literally could go back and forth in time and it would have never happened. 0.99
00:38:08.000 Right.
00:38:08.000 And you'd be communicating with the same person once it happens.
00:38:10.000 So once it does happen and people have access to it, which that access, like everything else, whether it's cell phones or automobiles or anything, the access starts in a limited way where very few people can afford it, and then it becomes worldwide.
00:38:23.000 Did we talk about directed panspermia already as related to time travel?
00:38:28.000 No, I don't think so.
00:38:29.000 So it's like the idea...
00:38:31.000 Directed panspermia.
00:38:32.000 I mean, intentional.
00:38:33.000 Yeah, it's a tricky...
00:38:35.000 Like the Aliens movie, Prometheus?
00:38:36.000 Yeah, it's like, exactly.
00:38:37.000 So the idea is like, okay, so I know this idea.
00:38:42.000 We need the road to travel, so we need to build the road.
00:38:45.000 So let's say I do invent the technology for a time machine, which basically means I have point A. Now I need a point B, right?
00:38:54.000 So the point B, I've got to get the further out the point B is, I guess the more powerful the time machine would be, right?
00:39:05.000 So this is the idea of direct to panspermia as a means of time travel is, assuming you are the super advanced species, then what you do is you create these genetic You create like DNA. You create a kind of packaged thing that when it lands in the right environment that you could live in has the tendency to evolve into a technological civilization that will build a time machine that is actually point B for your time
00:39:36.000 machine.
00:39:36.000 So you release from your planet.
00:39:39.000 Just infinite blasts of this DNA. And you know that when it lands on the road and the seed finds the right soil, it's going to grow into a technological tree that at the end of its growth is going to flower with...
00:39:55.000 Your point B, the end of your time machine.
00:39:58.000 So if you were this kind of interstellar traveler, then for you, you would send these seeds out into time, and then the moment a time that they got to the point where they built a time machine, for you it would seem like it happened instantly.
00:40:12.000 There's your point B. You don't know what it's going to lead to, but you know it's going to be at least a habitable planet because you've developed these genetic machines to only take root in a planet that you could live on.
00:40:26.000 So what we are are these genetic robots that are compelled to build technology because we're opening up the point B in some kind of interstellar time machine, and that's what the singularity is.
00:40:37.000 It's when our creator masters come through the time portal that we've opened up on this planet and say, Oh, hi, you did it.
00:40:46.000 Whoa.
00:40:47.000 Yeah.
00:40:47.000 Yeah, it's pretty interesting.
00:40:49.000 It seems like it worked.
00:40:50.000 It seems so science fiction-y, though, that if we really got to a point...
00:40:54.000 Like, imagine if our civilization had gotten to a point where we could transcend space and time and travel through the universe and go to any place at any point in time and even drop the seeds of life on a planet and sort of...
00:41:04.000 What is that term that they were going to use on Mars where they...
00:41:10.000 What is it called?
00:41:11.000 What's the term when you take a part?
00:41:13.000 Terraforming?
00:41:13.000 Terraforming.
00:41:14.000 Yes, thank you.
00:41:15.000 And that they had done this. 1.00
00:41:16.000 And then they're going to come back like the Silver Surfer and fucking... 1.00
00:41:19.000 I don't think so. 1.00
00:41:21.000 I think we're them.
00:41:22.000 I think we are them.
00:41:24.000 I don't think there's anything else.
00:41:25.000 This is what I think. 0.93
00:41:26.000 And I think this is a ridiculous way to look at it, too. 1.00
00:41:29.000 Because I don't know, and I'm talking shit. 0.99
00:41:31.000 Sure, me too. 0.99
00:41:32.000 But I think it is entirely possible that we're number one.
00:41:36.000 Meaning that we're the first.
00:41:38.000 We're the first?
00:41:38.000 We're the first of all these things to achieve this state.
00:41:42.000 And that when these things achieve this state, they either blow themselves up or they keep going and they become more and more advanced.
00:41:50.000 But I don't think it happens very often.
00:41:51.000 And I might be wrong.
00:41:52.000 I might be totally wrong.
00:41:54.000 But it hasn't happened anywhere near us, so let's pretend that the galaxy that we look at right now that we can see, let's pretend that's the universe.
00:42:03.000 What if we find out that out of this galaxy of hundreds of millions of stars, we're the only intelligent life?
00:42:07.000 Yeah.
00:42:09.000 Drastically narrows the possibility for intelligent life everywhere else in the universe, except for the fact that the universe is infinite, which means that not only is there intelligent life somewhere in the universe, there's a Duncan Trussell somewhere in the universe.
00:42:22.000 Not only is there a Duncan Trussell, but there's a Duncan Trussell that said everything that you said in the exact same order.
00:42:28.000 With every pause, every time you dribble piss on your toilet seat, and you go, I'll take care of that later, and you shut the lid, it did that to the exact T an infinite number of times throughout space.
00:42:38.000 Right.
00:42:39.000 So, like, not only is there one of you, but there's an infinite number of yous and then an infinite number of possibilities left and right that you could have gone.
00:42:49.000 Right.
00:42:49.000 Different paths you could have taken.
00:42:51.000 Like, that's how big the universe is.
00:42:53.000 Right.
00:42:53.000 That's how big infinity is.
00:42:55.000 Right.
00:42:55.000 But that doesn't mean that anything's ever gotten smarter than this.
00:42:59.000 This is the only thing that we know that's gotten this smart.
00:43:01.000 And it might be, this is the only thing that's got this smart.
00:43:04.000 Because something had to be the first thing that got this smart.
00:43:07.000 Unless it happened simultaneously, like we're saying, then it happened with a bunch of things.
00:43:12.000 But let's call that thing the same thing in different places.
00:43:14.000 It's not like there's a grey alien with big black eyes and a giant head and a little skinny neck that reads your mind and flies through magnetic fields.
00:43:21.000 We're not talking about that.
00:43:23.000 We're talking about you and I, this thing.
00:43:25.000 This thing might exist an infinite number of times.
00:43:28.000 All throughout space and time.
00:43:29.000 But let's call it this one thing.
00:43:31.000 This one thing.
00:43:32.000 This might be the first time anything has gotten as advanced as this one thing.
00:43:36.000 So it's like the term the simulationists are using is base reality.
00:43:40.000 Like this is base reality.
00:43:41.000 And the statistical probability of this being base reality is somehow...
00:43:48.000 It's more probable this isn't base reality.
00:43:51.000 But yeah, it is a probability that this is base reality.
00:43:54.000 And there's also a probability that this isn't base reality.
00:43:57.000 You get to roll the dice on that one.
00:44:01.000 Who knows?
00:44:02.000 Who knows?
00:44:03.000 I mean, it's impossible to really, at this point, we can't prove that this isn't the default base reality that the entire universe is experiencing.
00:44:11.000 But my guess would be that no way, man. 0.98
00:44:15.000 I think it's more realistic that we're in a fucking... 0.99
00:44:18.000 Like a novelty farm? 0.99
00:44:20.000 Like some kind of technological novelty farm?
00:44:22.000 I mean, to use human terms, we're like...
00:44:27.000 I mean, if you could simulate a universe and then create intelligent anything, sentient intelligent beings, or particularly sentient intelligent beings that matched you, your species, duplicate yourself even, and then run that duplication an infinite number of times in this server mechanism or whatever you have in your supercomputer,
00:44:46.000 and then you just set time to loop as fast a rate as your computer would let you, so at night you just like... 0.82
00:44:57.000 You let it run in the morning, you wake up, and it's like, oh, fuck, look, Hemingway, huh? 0.97
00:45:02.000 That's interesting. 0.95
00:45:03.000 The entire works of Hemingway just got generated in my universe simulator by one of the simulated creatures that I had in there.
00:45:10.000 I mean, it's a very prosperous job. 0.95
00:45:12.000 You'd be like a novelty farmer or something, in the same way they've got those fucking Bitcoin things that are like... 0.97
00:45:18.000 Constantly grinding to make bitcoins. 0.89
00:45:21.000 You're fucking making universes and inside the universes, the universes are making planets and the planets are making technology and the technology is being, every single whatever your morning happens to be, whenever you wake up, you're like, oh cool, we've got, whoa, that's interesting. 0.97
00:45:36.000 That's a new form of teleportation. 0.99
00:45:37.000 I haven't seen that before.
00:45:39.000 It's a way to harvest information from a kind of living AI or something like that.
00:45:46.000 You know, it seems like it'd be a very, really smart way to kind of like gather data or to create novelty events.
00:45:53.000 I mean, just for the pure entertainment of it.
00:45:55.000 Like if you had a way to like access, like for you, it's like, you know, right now we download a movie.
00:46:02.000 It takes like two minutes, five minutes, depending on your connection.
00:46:05.000 In the same way, like you wait five minutes and a universe is born and dies and throughout that it can pick out an interesting moments.
00:46:13.000 Like, look at this! 0.95
00:46:14.000 Oh, look, here's that moment where in that planet, World War III started because fucking Russia wanted to secure Syria and we didn't want it to happen. 0.99
00:46:25.000 Wow, look at the disaster. 0.93
00:46:26.000 Well, we already have examples of this in a rudimentary form and all these new universes that are being created in these online games that people are playing.
00:46:33.000 Exactly, yeah.
00:46:34.000 What are those games, Jamie?
00:46:36.000 What are those games called?
00:46:37.000 Do you know the name of those games where they create different worlds?
00:46:40.000 Oh, yeah, it's called procedural generation.
00:46:42.000 You're talking about the No Man's Sky, the game that everyone got angry about.
00:46:47.000 Why'd they get angry about it?
00:46:48.000 Well, they got angry about it because the...
00:46:52.000 The summation of the anger is just because something is gigantic doesn't mean it's entertaining, right?
00:46:57.000 And so you end up getting in this kind of feedback loop because if you're going to procedurally generate an infinite or a semi-infinite universe with all these different planets and stuff, then that means you need an AI that you can procedurally generate that's also going to procedurally generate what we consider to be a game.
00:47:16.000 Interesting storylines, fun things to do.
00:47:19.000 You're just creating things, right?
00:47:21.000 Right.
00:47:21.000 Well, that's one part.
00:47:22.000 The other part that people got mad about is the...
00:47:25.000 Apparently...
00:47:26.000 Not even apparently.
00:47:26.000 You can see, like, people got so mad.
00:47:28.000 God, may you never piss off the gaming community.
00:47:32.000 That's like... 1.00
00:47:33.000 It was just like, don't fuck with it, man. 1.00
00:47:35.000 Because they swore, man. 1.00
00:47:37.000 And it's vicious and brutal.
00:47:38.000 Like, I was playing the game and really enjoying it for, like... 1.00
00:47:42.000 At least a week and a half, two weeks, and I would go on, like, Reddit, No Man's Sky, and read the comments, and I'd be like, God, you guys are fucking dicks! 1.00
00:47:51.000 This game's super fun! 1.00
00:47:52.000 I'm on the best fucking time of my life! 0.99
00:47:54.000 I'm never gonna play this again. 0.99
00:47:56.000 They talked you out of it?
00:47:57.000 No!
00:47:58.000 No, in the game, it just suddenly, it's like, wait.
00:48:00.000 It got boring?
00:48:01.000 It got boring.
00:48:03.000 For me, it got boring.
00:48:04.000 For other people, I know some people who still enjoy it. 0.99
00:48:06.000 But you were saying you guys are dicks. 0.98
00:48:07.000 When I was enjoying it, reading their critique. 0.99
00:48:10.000 I get it.
00:48:10.000 But really, it was like reading the critique of gourmet chefs far more familiar with where gaming is at.
00:48:17.000 You know, these are people who play games all the time and know it and like have very high expectations.
00:48:21.000 But anyway, the point is, yes, it procedurally generates this incredible universe, but it ends up getting kind of boring or something like that.
00:48:30.000 But yeah, procedurally generate, like we are in a procedurally generated universe that is producing novelty events, which may be in the universe that We are being procedurally generated out of as a form of currency or a form of entertainment or a form of something we don't even understand yet.
00:48:49.000 All I know is if there was a game called Universe Creator, run your computer and your universe will We're good to go.
00:49:19.000 Pure capitalism.
00:49:20.000 What's better than having a never-ending stream of inventions coming from your universe simulator that you could then market in this dimension?
00:49:27.000 I think there's something weird that we do, too, where we look at things that we can generate with a computer versus things that sort of exist in the real world, and we look at them as coming from different sources.
00:49:39.000 Something that man makes versus something that just happens.
00:49:43.000 And because we look at it from different sources, I don't think we recognize that it's kind of the same thing.
00:49:49.000 Like, there's a long process from a star exploding to a human being being born, but they're all connected.
00:50:00.000 That star exploding is necessary for the development of the...
00:50:06.000 It's a carbon-based life form on the earth.
00:50:08.000 Right.
00:50:08.000 Right?
00:50:08.000 So the elements that make us, a star had to blow up.
00:50:14.000 Like there's this long part.
00:50:16.000 But we don't think of that as like being made because it takes too long.
00:50:21.000 We decide we're going to call it evolution or natural selection.
00:50:25.000 Yes.
00:50:25.000 But by defining any of these things in that way, we've failed to look at the thing for what the thing is.
00:50:33.000 Well, the thing is, forget about whether evolution's real or creation is real.
00:50:36.000 That's nonsense.
00:50:38.000 That doesn't mean anything.
00:50:39.000 Like, whatever is doing it, it's doing it.
00:50:41.000 And it's doing it from a star blowing up to a person talking about a star blowing up to his friend.
00:50:49.000 Yeah.
00:50:50.000 Like, right now.
00:50:51.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:50:51.000 This is all made.
00:50:53.000 Like, whatever you've made has been made by this process.
00:50:56.000 Right.
00:50:57.000 Any great painter, any architect who's built the most incredible buildings, you were made.
00:51:03.000 This whole thing is made, and you're making things too, but those things aren't any more significant than trees.
00:51:10.000 The whole thing is nuts.
00:51:12.000 The whole thing is somehow or another getting more and more complex, more and more involved, more and more aware, faster information sharing between the things that make the things, and making more and crazier and better things, but all of these things made by a star explosion.
00:51:31.000 Right.
00:51:32.000 Yeah.
00:51:33.000 I guess if you want to get technical, so when you say made...
00:51:39.000 What starts it?
00:51:41.000 Okay, right.
00:51:42.000 A process, right?
00:51:45.000 You know me, man.
00:51:45.000 I think we're probably like...
00:51:47.000 I really do think that whatever this is is literally made in the sense of a maker.
00:51:54.000 You really think there's a maker?
00:51:56.000 An individual?
00:51:58.000 What?
00:51:58.000 An individual?
00:52:00.000 I don't think it's an individual.
00:52:01.000 And I don't think it's like...
00:52:02.000 A force?
00:52:04.000 I think it's the...
00:52:06.000 Yeah, something that's very creative.
00:52:09.000 And I think that it's...
00:52:11.000 Or it's a source of creativity.
00:52:13.000 And I think that it's...
00:52:15.000 You know, I mean, I'm a... 1.00
00:52:17.000 Fuck it. 1.00
00:52:18.000 I'll say it. 1.00
00:52:19.000 I'm a theist, man.
00:52:20.000 Like, I pray.
00:52:22.000 How dare you?
00:52:23.000 Sorry, I do.
00:52:24.000 How dare you?
00:52:25.000 We'll be right back.
00:52:26.000 I know!
00:52:26.000 We're going to press pause.
00:52:28.000 Just sounds of you punching me.
00:52:29.000 Wake up, Duncan. 1.00
00:52:30.000 I fucking love... 0.99
00:52:31.000 Look, I just love to pray and, like, when my life gets better when I pray and, like, I just love it. 0.98
00:52:38.000 But it's... 0.98
00:52:39.000 I mean, I fucking... 0.98
00:52:40.000 You know me. 0.99
00:52:40.000 I don't have to... 0.99
00:52:41.000 People who...
00:52:41.000 I know you, too.
00:52:43.000 So I enjoy...
00:52:44.000 So when you say, well, what?
00:52:45.000 Is it an individual...
00:52:47.000 I think it's like there's lots of different ways of saying it, and every single way of saying it falls short of what it is.
00:52:54.000 Now, there's a...
00:52:56.000 I keep telling you about this guy, man.
00:52:58.000 One day, I hope you pick him up.
00:52:59.000 There's a Buddhist teacher named Chogyam Trungpa who says...
00:53:04.000 So I'll get in an argument with Cho Gyum Trungpa. 1.00
00:53:06.000 If he heard me spew that bullshit, what he would say is, wait. 0.98
00:53:10.000 So when I ask you, is it an individual? 1.00
00:53:14.000 Is it a thing?
00:53:15.000 Is it a person?
00:53:16.000 And you say, I don't know, man.
00:53:17.000 There's no words for it.
00:53:18.000 Then at that moment, what you've done is you've taken your confusion And you've put it on an altar, and you've started worshiping it as though it were your God.
00:53:28.000 Your ability to not articulate the thing is not an indication of the existence of a thing, but is more the indication of your laziness because you want to deify your confused, passionate emptiness.
00:53:44.000 It's something like that.
00:53:45.000 There's a great fort in one of his books that is...
00:53:48.000 That's a great quote. 0.99
00:53:49.000 Echoed through my fucking head ever since I read it. 0.99
00:53:52.000 Confused, passionate emptiness. 1.00
00:53:53.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:53:53.000 That's like a...
00:53:55.000 Courtney Love song.
00:53:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:59.000 Confused, passionate emptiness.
00:54:01.000 But so that being said, I think you should do experiments in reaching out to the transcendent as though it were possibly an embodied thing that was a lot smarter than you. 0.98
00:54:16.000 And if the result of the experiment is nothing, if you just feel embarrassed or dumb or you're like, why the fuck am I praying? 0.98
00:54:24.000 There's nothing. 0.97
00:54:25.000 Then who cares?
00:54:26.000 You lose nothing.
00:54:26.000 But if the result of the experiment is even as a placebo effect, you begin to experience a shift in your subjective reality, then I think it's worth continuing those experiments and seeing how it unfolds.
00:54:40.000 Well, let's take away that definition, the placebo effect.
00:54:44.000 Because if you have, in some way, decided to meditate towards...
00:54:51.000 Towards the objective of communicating with the great love that runs the universe.
00:54:55.000 Yeah.
00:54:55.000 And somehow or another that benefits you.
00:54:57.000 That's not a placebo effect.
00:54:59.000 Right.
00:54:59.000 That's a shift in your consciousness.
00:55:02.000 Whether or not it's validated by the existence of that thing, doesn't matter.
00:55:07.000 It's still a shift in your consciousness through what appears to be a decision, appears to be a decision that you've made to gravitate towards God.
00:55:15.000 Yeah.
00:55:16.000 Or gravitate towards love.
00:55:17.000 Yeah.
00:55:18.000 I've always had the problem, whenever people talk about intelligent design, or a thing, or a deity, and this is my own problem, I automatically think of, instead of the universe, like, say there's the universe, and then there's this thing over here,
00:55:34.000 like, right next to the universe.
00:55:35.000 It's like, oh, I'm just gonna sit here and make the universe. 1.00
00:55:38.000 It's the stupid way that I look at it. 0.91
00:55:40.000 It's completely my own, like, You can grow up or you can just sort of form these ideas in your head about what a deity is and then those ideas can be little prisons. 0.99
00:55:55.000 Yeah.
00:55:55.000 When you try to define the universe.
00:55:57.000 Right.
00:55:57.000 So my defining the universe as the universe being this thing that this thing's created and it's sitting over here in this other thing.
00:56:04.000 Like is it in the universe?
00:56:05.000 Does it build it from the universe?
00:56:07.000 Right.
00:56:08.000 Like where is it?
00:56:08.000 Is it next door?
00:56:09.000 Is there a condo next to the universe?
00:56:11.000 Like what does it have?
00:56:12.000 Is it a part of the universe?
00:56:15.000 Or is it that the idea of an individual Is the wrong way to look at it?
00:56:23.000 That if you look at all the life on earth, right?
00:56:27.000 Yeah.
00:56:27.000 It seems that there's a lot of things in nature that are fractal, right?
00:56:31.000 Sure.
00:56:31.000 It seems to exist pretty much everywhere you look.
00:56:33.000 Yeah.
00:56:33.000 And when they start looking at subatomic particles, you realize how deep they can go and how small they can measure things.
00:56:41.000 And then you look at the size of the universe itself.
00:56:43.000 You look at the size of galaxies and black holes and just the vastness of space and the ability to measure.
00:56:49.000 I think they measure 13 point something billion light years since the Big Bang.
00:56:54.000 All that madness.
00:56:56.000 All that craziness that they're trying to...
00:56:59.000 I think by looking at all that stuff, by looking at the vastness of all this...
00:57:08.000 We define it in this way where there's a Duncan over here, and there's an ant over there, and there's another animal over here.
00:57:18.000 But inside of all of us are a bunch of different animals that are all little tiny ecosystems, right?
00:57:25.000 Like inside every person, there's not a single individual life form That's a person.
00:57:31.000 Every person requires all this life inside of it.
00:57:35.000 E.coli living in your body and all sorts of gut flora.
00:57:38.000 All sorts of things that are not you.
00:57:40.000 But there are you.
00:57:42.000 Because you are a system.
00:57:44.000 You're a system just like your neighborhood's a system.
00:57:47.000 Just like the rainforest is a system.
00:57:50.000 I'm sure all the people in the rainforest that are hunting with bows and arrows and looking out for jaguars, I'm sure they don't think of themselves as a system, but they're a life system.
00:58:01.000 That's how life balances itself out, both in your gut and in the jungle and in the mountains of Montana and in the savannas of Africa.
00:58:11.000 These are all systems, life systems.
00:58:14.000 Right.
00:58:14.000 And our vision of life systems is that this life system is contained to this planet.
00:58:20.000 Right.
00:58:20.000 And this is it.
00:58:21.000 But this planet, everything on this planet, right?
00:58:23.000 The life system that's contained on this planet is all...
00:58:27.000 Bathed in oxygen, right?
00:58:28.000 It's all these gases.
00:58:29.000 And the elimination of those gases does not mean that you're not connected to all the other things that don't have those gases.
00:58:36.000 You take those gases away, you go into space itself. 0.76
00:58:39.000 You're still fucking connected to that. 0.99
00:58:41.000 You're still a soup. 0.99
00:58:42.000 You're a part of an infinite soup of space.
00:58:45.000 And you, just like a subatomic particle that blinks in and out of existence, that they can measure, it's moving and it's not moving, it's there and it's gone.
00:58:54.000 This is how small the life form of a planet is in comparison to the mass of the universe itself, which might very well be just like every other fractal.
00:59:06.000 The bigger you get, the more it represents the same patterns over and over again in larger scales.
00:59:11.000 That's right.
00:59:12.000 The entire planet could be a subatomic particle in the cell of an organism that lives on another planet.
00:59:21.000 The entire universe itself.
00:59:22.000 Or if you want to even go deeper, the entire universe could be some kind of synaptic pulse in the brain of an entity just having a dream.
00:59:34.000 Yes.
00:59:35.000 Which is the synaptic pulse of another entity that's also having a dream.
00:59:40.000 And it's bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and there's no end.
00:59:43.000 This is one of the first in the emerald tablet, this alchemical.
00:59:48.000 You've seen that.
00:59:49.000 We've probably talked about it.
00:59:50.000 No, it's the emerald tablet.
00:59:51.000 Look it up.
00:59:52.000 It's the emerald tablet.
00:59:53.000 Is it a book?
00:59:55.000 It's like this alchemical text that's like this super condensed...
01:00:00.000 Is it really old? 0.99
01:00:02.000 Yeah, it's really fucking old, man. 0.98
01:00:04.000 And I'm going to try to say that it's got a great name that I always say it wrong and I always get corrected, and so I'll say it wrong again. 0.97
01:00:11.000 The Emerald Tablet...
01:00:13.000 There it is.
01:00:15.000 Hermes Trimestid somethingeth.
01:00:18.000 But if you open it up, open up the Emerald Tablet...
01:00:21.000 And then hopefully we can see what it says on it, because it's like, there it is.
01:00:25.000 Okay, what does the first one say?
01:00:27.000 Okay, tis certain with error, certain and most true.
01:00:30.000 So you just said number two.
01:00:32.000 That which is below is like that which is above, and that which is above is like that which is below.
01:00:38.000 To do the miracles of only one thing.
01:00:41.000 And as all things have been and arose from one by the mediation of one, so all things have their birth from this one thing by adaptation." So anyway, it's like...
01:00:50.000 So it's all the shit that we were just talking about. 0.99
01:00:52.000 Somebody had already figured it out. 0.99
01:00:54.000 Well, it's like...
01:00:55.000 So yeah, it's like the...
01:00:56.000 It's evidence that other people have been as high as we are.
01:01:00.000 Enough to put it in a tablet!
01:01:03.000 Dude, they didn't have podcasts. 0.99
01:01:04.000 They used to have to carve shit in a tablet. 0.99
01:01:06.000 It took a lot of words. 1.00
01:01:08.000 Fucking write that down! 0.99
01:01:09.000 We gotta find some emerald, man! 1.00
01:01:11.000 Yeah, if you had to write all that on bark...
01:01:12.000 Yeah.
01:01:13.000 That's a lot of work.
01:01:14.000 Yeah, but this is kind of the...
01:01:15.000 All these alchemical ideas...
01:01:17.000 I guess it's like...
01:01:19.000 It only makes sense that if we see these fractals all throughout nature, and we can observe them here, that our idea is that we can only observe subatomic particles, that that's the whole universe.
01:01:31.000 Like, it's probably infinitely smaller than that.
01:01:33.000 By the way, here's what's cool about that, is that is a translation by Isaac Newton.
01:01:37.000 Whoa. 1.00
01:01:37.000 Yeah, so he was really into this shit, man. 1.00
01:01:40.000 Like, Newton was fucking nuts. 1.00
01:01:43.000 Newton was asexual, too, right? 1.00
01:01:46.000 I don't know if he's asexual, but if he was, I think a lot of these guys, they were fucking around with mercury a lot, and it was like messing with their heads. 0.99
01:01:57.000 Oh, I'm sure. 0.98
01:01:58.000 Yeah, but I don't know.
01:01:59.000 God forgive me, everyone out there.
01:02:01.000 But go to Newton and the occult.
01:02:02.000 Go back and look at the occult section.
01:02:04.000 It's really interesting.
01:02:05.000 I don't think a lot of people are aware of the fact that Newton was deeply into the occult.
01:02:10.000 Yeah.
01:02:11.000 A lot of those scientists and deep thinkers back then, they were checking on all sorts of different things.
01:02:18.000 Well, I mean, checking on it is one way to put it.
01:02:21.000 Another way to put it is, it may be that some of these people figured out ways to directly communicate with this intelligence that I certainly believe in.
01:02:32.000 It was through mercury poisoning.
01:02:33.000 Yeah, maybe Mercury is the way...
01:02:35.000 Do you know, speaking...
01:02:36.000 Go back to his personal life, because you were showing his personal life stuff there.
01:02:38.000 I want to make sure I'm right, because I said that he was asexual.
01:02:41.000 I read some weirdness about the way he viewed sex, and wasn't he a Christian as well?
01:02:48.000 A pretty hardcore Christian? 0.57
01:02:49.000 I don't know what kind of Christian he was.
01:02:51.000 That's a whole other...
01:02:52.000 I mean, Christian's a big word.
01:02:54.000 Newton never married, although he was once...
01:02:56.000 What is it?
01:02:57.000 What does it say?
01:02:57.000 Once claimed that he is...
01:02:59.000 Although it was once...
01:03:01.000 It was claimed that he was engaged.
01:03:02.000 Newton never married.
01:03:04.000 The widespread belief that he died of a virgin has been commented on by writers.
01:03:10.000 Such as mathematician, Charles Hutton, probably a hater, economist John Maynard Keynes, hater, and physicist Carl Sagan.
01:03:20.000 How dare you, Carl?
01:03:21.000 Well, thank God.
01:03:22.000 Meanwhile, I just said it.
01:03:22.000 I just said it.
01:03:23.000 Fuck me. 1.00
01:03:23.000 You did say it. 1.00
01:03:24.000 Why are you talking shit about Newton? 1.00
01:03:26.000 Not even talking shit about it. 0.99
01:03:27.000 I'm just fascinated by individuals that are brilliant, beyond the norm. 0.99
01:03:32.000 Like Tesla, who is also a weird guy sexually.
01:03:36.000 Yeah. 0.94
01:03:36.000 Fell in love with a pigeon. 0.94
01:03:37.000 Yes.
01:03:38.000 You know the whole deal.
01:03:39.000 Yeah, I know the deal.
01:03:39.000 He was completely out of his mind, but yet...
01:03:42.000 Insanely brilliant.
01:03:43.000 Like, beyond.
01:03:44.000 Insanely brilliant.
01:03:45.000 I think that's what happens.
01:03:47.000 And by the way, we call them out of their minds. 0.98
01:03:50.000 Meanwhile, what are we doing that makes any fucking sense? 0.98
01:03:53.000 Exactly. 1.00
01:03:54.000 Oh yeah, they're crazy. 0.96
01:03:55.000 I got it all figured out. 0.59
01:03:56.000 Look what I'm doing. 0.99
01:03:57.000 I'm sitting in a fucking podcast studio talking about the infinite universe. 0.99
01:04:02.000 It's like, we're all... 0.98
01:04:03.000 The idea that there is a kind of pattern that's like, oh yeah, that's the sane pattern right there.
01:04:12.000 Well, I think these people, they do make contact.
01:04:16.000 And I think, you know, we talk about like...
01:04:20.000 One of my favorite, I think you told me this, Joe, one of my favorite UFO conspiracy theories is that Roswell was a real alien crash and that we can chart the evolution of technology from the Roswell alien crash,
01:04:35.000 that technology is actually some kind of alien virus that came in through Roswell and is now spreading through history now.
01:04:44.000 That's the most popular It's so fantastic.
01:05:10.000 Dude, one of the many things I love about you, man, is you are like the Library of Congress for this stuff.
01:05:15.000 Whereas in my mind, it's just like a murky swamp when I try to remember.
01:05:20.000 You can, in detail, expound on these things.
01:05:24.000 You photographically memorize them.
01:05:26.000 I think it's really cool.
01:05:28.000 So therefore, I know that you were the one who told me this.
01:05:31.000 And I think about it a lot.
01:05:32.000 It's a really cool idea, but I think it's funny.
01:05:34.000 Because for us, we're like, okay, the way we would get technology is by a metal craft shooting into the earth, and then we're going to take that and make technology.
01:05:43.000 Whereas, I think the real alien encounters that happen throughout history, the UFO encounters, a UFO, for lack of a better word, a UFO, Flies through the consciousness of Isaac Newton.
01:05:57.000 And Isaac Newton, Tesla, all of the great inventors have this spontaneous idea where they're like, wait, what, wait?
01:06:05.000 Oh, wait.
01:06:05.000 And so the alien technology is actually not something that necessarily has to be matter, but starts as a thought form that then gets sort of produced through the spinneret of the particular inventor that, like, allows it to come through them,
01:06:22.000 you know?
01:06:22.000 I said this very thing in an interview today.
01:06:25.000 Really?
01:06:25.000 The very exact thing.
01:06:26.000 Because we were talking about ideas possibly being a life form.
01:06:32.000 Ideas being a form of creativity and ideas being a form of life that...
01:06:39.000 Forces the change on an environment.
01:06:43.000 Forces the change in a civilization.
01:06:46.000 They come from ideas.
01:06:47.000 The ideas, creativity is responsible for everything, including this microphone, the internet connection, the building we're in, everything we're wearing.
01:06:55.000 Everything the car you drove to get here all that comes from the imagination from ideas and from creativity and The initial burst of imagination comes from where we don't know it might be a life form It might be as much of a life form as a physical thing like like a person or it might be the okay,
01:07:13.000 so like a plane or you know like a I don't know, you see in the, it's never actually happened to me, but like a plane flies too low, and like the fucking trees, or like when a helicopter's landing, the trees blow, people have to hold their hands to their ears, right?
01:07:27.000 So maybe when these like transcendent objects enter into our time-space continuum, shit tons of people start having the very same idea, or different like brilliant ideas that are actually just the sort of Impact that this craft as it passes through our planet or passes near us or whatever that means from the dimension that they're in Maybe that's the impact that it has on our consciousness is the sudden origination of these incredible ideas that end up creating massive
01:07:58.000 shifts in our society that that that's because if you look at like Tesla where he got his ideas and I don't know about Newton but a lot of Great inventors there.
01:08:08.000 It's not like their ideas came As they were sitting at the whiteboard calculating and then they got a eureka moment.
01:08:15.000 It's like they had dreams.
01:08:16.000 Well, Tesla literally was claiming that he was getting some information from space.
01:08:21.000 Yeah.
01:08:22.000 He thought he was getting information from space.
01:08:24.000 That's right.
01:08:24.000 Yeah.
01:08:26.000 I think you're onto something.
01:08:28.000 John Lilly, too.
01:08:29.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99
01:08:30.000 But he was so fucked up all the time, though. 0.99
01:08:33.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:08:33.000 How does he know it's space? 0.99
01:08:34.000 Lily was shooting intramuscular ketamine and then climbing into an isolation tank all the time. 0.99
01:08:40.000 Yeah.
01:08:40.000 LSD, isolation tank.
01:08:42.000 But the ketamine injections, that was towards the end.
01:08:44.000 I think in the beginning...
01:08:46.000 It was LSD. It was LSD, and I think he got to the point where he recognized that maybe his physical body was actually getting in the way of what he actually was, so he just sort of wanted to melt into nothingness, and it was sort of troubled by this thing.
01:09:03.000 Whoa! 0.71
01:09:04.000 Yeah! 1.00
01:09:05.000 He was like, I gotta keep coming back to this fucking thing. 1.00
01:09:08.000 He's ready to get out of it. 0.99
01:09:09.000 Not as a suicidal way, but just like the way that something that is molted has to discard.
01:09:15.000 He was so far removed.
01:09:18.000 I don't want to say gone, because I don't think he's wrong, but he was so far removed.
01:09:24.000 From the average human being.
01:09:27.000 Yeah.
01:09:28.000 In terms of how bizarre his paths of thinking had gone.
01:09:32.000 Yeah.
01:09:32.000 And what he was trying to accomplish.
01:09:34.000 He was trying to...
01:09:35.000 I mean, he's a pioneer of interspecies communication with dolphins.
01:09:38.000 Yeah.
01:09:38.000 You'd get dolphins high on acid.
01:09:40.000 Yeah.
01:09:40.000 He would get high on acid.
01:09:41.000 He was giving acid to dolphins?
01:09:43.000 I didn't know that part of the story.
01:09:46.000 Do you know that his research on dolphins was all canceled because the girl who was a scientist was jerking the dolphin off? 0.98
01:09:52.000 That got his research canceled?
01:09:54.000 Yeah, that was one of the things that got the project where she was living with a dolphin. 0.99
01:09:58.000 I like this story you're telling me because it's the story of the fucking luckiest dolphins. 0.97
01:10:04.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
01:10:06.000 I'm saying if you get caught as a dolphin, it's not great, but if you are going to get caught by the monkeys and you end up in a place where they're giving you acid and jerking you off... 0.98
01:10:19.000 That's the sound dolphin makes when you jerk them off.
01:10:25.000 Can you imagine if that dolphin got in a conversation with a SeaWorld dolphin and they're like, wait, what? 0.54
01:10:31.000 Wait, what? 0.99
01:10:32.000 You get jerked off, dude. 0.99
01:10:34.000 They're giving you acid and... 1.00
01:10:36.000 I have to do flips for fat kids. 1.00
01:10:38.000 Fuck this, man. 1.00
01:10:40.000 Fuck this gig. 1.00
01:10:42.000 She jerks you off how often? 1.00
01:10:43.000 Every day. 0.99
01:10:44.000 Every day.
01:10:44.000 Yeah, and she kind of likes it.
01:10:46.000 She does like it.
01:10:47.000 I don't understand how...
01:10:50.000 That got his experiments cancelled.
01:10:52.000 Because it's pleasure.
01:10:53.000 Because we're so puritanical.
01:10:55.000 Through a scientist, it makes sense.
01:10:58.000 This dolphin was severely distracted.
01:11:00.000 It was horny all the time. 0.99
01:11:01.000 She would jerk the dolphin off. 0.98
01:11:03.000 The dolphin could relax.
01:11:04.000 And then it would do its work.
01:11:05.000 But the dolphin was always horny. 1.00
01:11:07.000 Because the dolphin's like a kid.
01:11:09.000 You know, the dolphin's like an 18-year-old kid.
01:11:11.000 Yeah. 0.97
01:11:12.000 Like, an 18-year-old kid with a boner. 0.90
01:11:13.000 It's just so distracted. 0.90
01:11:14.000 Yeah.
01:11:14.000 Good luck trying to get him to do work.
01:11:16.000 Right.
01:11:16.000 So, she just thought, rationally, first of all, she's a scientist.
01:11:20.000 She didn't think there was anything wrong with sex.
01:11:22.000 Sure. 0.98
01:11:23.000 And she definitely realized that there was a problem in her research where this dolphin is dealing with too much desire to get rid of cum. 0.99
01:11:31.000 So, she just whacked him off. 0.99
01:11:33.000 Yeah.
01:11:33.000 Whacked him off and got back to work.
01:11:36.000 It's a very smart and pragmatic way of looking at it.
01:11:39.000 The problem is she told people about it.
01:11:42.000 Like over cocktails. 1.00
01:11:43.000 You know it was her fucking boyfriend who ruined it. 1.00
01:11:46.000 Probably. 1.00
01:11:46.000 She was like... 1.00
01:11:47.000 So anyway, I jerked off...
01:11:49.000 What was the dolphin's name?
01:11:50.000 That's a good question.
01:11:51.000 I bet when he came to visit her at work, he started getting a vibe that she was jerking off the dolphin.
01:11:57.000 Like it was looking at him weird.
01:12:02.000 No kidding, right?
01:12:04.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:12:04.000 Can you fucking imagine? 0.99
01:12:07.000 And the other thing is the dolphins, they were trying to get dolphins to say human words. 0.99
01:12:11.000 Yeah.
01:12:12.000 But they don't have any lips.
01:12:13.000 Right.
01:12:14.000 So they can't make those sounds.
01:12:15.000 So they would do their best to make something close to it.
01:12:18.000 Yeah.
01:12:19.000 But, you know, they have those high-piercing, shrieking sort of sounds that they can make.
01:12:24.000 Do you know, man, that's the...
01:12:25.000 She's... 1.00
01:12:26.000 Even the thing...
01:12:28.000 Here's what would have happened. 0.99
01:12:29.000 If they could have gotten the dolphin to talk, they would have canceled it because the only thing it would say is, jerk me off again! 1.00
01:12:35.000 Jerk me off again! 1.00
01:12:36.000 Wait, what did it say? 0.99
01:12:38.000 Jerk me off! 1.00
01:12:39.000 Have you seen the video?
01:12:40.000 I don't mean to change the subject. 1.00
01:12:42.000 Have you seen the video of the crow telling someone, fuck you? 1.00
01:12:44.000 No. 1.00
01:12:45.000 Do you know that video? 0.91
01:12:46.000 If you look it up, it is so fucking funny, man. 0.90
01:12:48.000 Like, this guy, like, this guy, like, he doesn't insult the crow, but the crow really, like, snarks him. 0.86
01:12:53.000 I hope you can find it. 1.00
01:12:54.000 The crow literally says, fuck you? 1.00
01:12:56.000 Look at this. 1.00
01:12:56.000 Watch this. 1.00
01:12:58.000 Come on.
01:13:00.000 Talk to him.
01:13:01.000 Hello?
01:13:03.000 Hello?
01:13:14.000 That's crazy!
01:13:20.000 That's crazy!
01:13:23.000 I don't hear anything.
01:13:25.000 Watch.
01:13:28.000 No, no, I've never got the big head beak on him. 1.00
01:13:32.000 Fuck you. 1.00
01:13:34.000 Fuck you? 1.00
01:13:39.000 Whoa. 1.00
01:13:40.000 It's like he insults his beak and he's like, fuck you. 1.00
01:13:42.000 Whoa. 1.00
01:13:44.000 See, if it was any other animal, I'd go, no way.
01:13:47.000 Right. 0.99
01:13:48.000 But they're so goddamn smart. 0.95
01:13:49.000 Yeah. 0.95
01:13:49.000 Yeah. 0.95
01:13:51.000 Yeah, you didn't want, like, fuck you, you're gonna make fun of my fucking beak. 1.00
01:13:54.000 Did you ever see the raven that starts a fight between two cats? 1.00
01:13:57.000 No.
01:13:58.000 Dude.
01:13:59.000 Can we see that, please?
01:14:00.000 I put it up on my Instagram. 1.00
01:14:02.000 This is some crazy shit. 0.99
01:14:03.000 Some raven flies over to one cat, fucks with him a little bit, the cat tries to get away from him, the cat, like, turns around real quick, and the raven jumps away, and then the raven flies over to another cat who's on another rooftop. 1.00
01:14:15.000 Sweat how he does this.
01:14:16.000 He literally starts a fight between these two.
01:14:19.000 He's just hanging out there.
01:14:21.000 That's so cool. 0.99
01:14:21.000 He's like, damn, I'm fucking bored. 0.99
01:14:23.000 So he flies over there, and I guess it's not a raven. 0.99
01:14:26.000 Is that a raven?
01:14:27.000 I don't know.
01:14:28.000 It's a crow, too.
01:14:29.000 It's a crow?
01:14:29.000 It's a crow.
01:14:30.000 But why does it look white?
01:14:31.000 Is that the reflection of the sun on him?
01:14:33.000 I don't know.
01:14:34.000 It could be a...
01:14:34.000 I don't know what...
01:14:35.000 Anyway, so he flies over there, he gets near the cat, and he irritates the cat.
01:14:40.000 And then he flies over, gets near the other cat.
01:14:42.000 Look, he's getting behind him.
01:14:43.000 He irritates him. 0.99
01:14:45.000 He fucks with him. 1.00
01:14:46.000 He's fucking with both of them. 1.00
01:14:47.000 Literally, like he's fucking with him on purpose. 0.99
01:14:49.000 Look, he's getting really close. 0.99
01:14:50.000 Oh, this is awesome.
01:14:51.000 And then he backs up.
01:14:52.000 He's getting really close. 1.00
01:14:53.000 He fucks with him. 1.00
01:14:54.000 Look, he's literally fucking with that cat. 1.00
01:14:56.000 Awesome. 0.99
01:14:57.000 He keeps poking at him.
01:14:59.000 He's getting right behind him.
01:15:00.000 The cat turns around to swing at him.
01:15:01.000 So he's agitating the cat, and the cat jumps on the other cat!
01:15:04.000 And he flies over there, and he's a foot away from them while they're duking it out. 1.00
01:15:09.000 They fall off the fucking roof. 0.99
01:15:11.000 They're beating the fuck out of each other. 1.00
01:15:13.000 He flies to the ground, and he's watching them.
01:15:16.000 Like, he literally instigated and started this fight, and he's prodding them while they're fighting.
01:15:23.000 Look, they fall into a hole. 0.97
01:15:24.000 They're beating the shit out of each other, dude. 0.99
01:15:29.000 And that bird's like, dude, what's up? 0.80
01:15:31.000 Look, he hops in there.
01:15:32.000 He hopped in there with him. 1.00
01:15:34.000 It's fucking crazy. 1.00
01:15:36.000 It's Satan. 1.00
01:15:36.000 That's the bird is the devil. 1.00
01:15:38.000 The raven.
01:15:39.000 Yeah, that's so great.
01:15:40.000 Ravens are always thought to be satanic, right?
01:15:43.000 Well, yeah, I mean, I guess so.
01:15:44.000 They're like harbingers of doom.
01:15:48.000 There's a great word for it.
01:15:50.000 Psychopomps is the word for it.
01:15:52.000 Like animals that appear, I think, before someone's going to die.
01:15:57.000 Like, Crows.
01:15:58.000 There's a whole bunch.
01:15:58.000 What was the Edgar Allan Poe?
01:16:00.000 The Raven.
01:16:02.000 Yeah, the Raven.
01:16:03.000 Well, I think...
01:16:04.000 You know, I read an analysis of what that was. 0.97
01:16:06.000 It's, like, very, very fucking sad, man. 0.97
01:16:08.000 Probably about a chick that dumped him. 1.00
01:16:09.000 You're never gonna be happy again.
01:16:10.000 Oh, that's it? 0.96
01:16:11.000 The idea is, like, yeah, you're never gonna be fucking happy again. 0.98
01:16:14.000 Like... 0.97
01:16:14.000 Ever. 0.97
01:16:15.000 Like, happiness is a dream.
01:16:18.000 Give it up.
01:16:19.000 The reality is that life is... 1.00
01:16:21.000 You know, it's the usual kind of fucking drivel that comes out of people. 0.98
01:16:24.000 No, I don't mean to say drivel, but sometimes the old happy juice isn't coming out of the synaptic vesicles the way it should, and you translate that. 0.99
01:16:32.000 It's like, instead of recognizing that your engine is running low on coolant, You think that all cars in the world must just run in some shitty way.
01:16:43.000 To me, it's one of the most beautiful things to realize while simultaneously being one of the most depressing things to realize, which is that so much of what human happiness is is coming from these Synaptic vesicles,
01:17:00.000 these little bubbles of serotonin that are getting dripped into our brains according to what activities we are partaking in.
01:17:08.000 And so, some people, the drip isn't happening. 0.99
01:17:12.000 And I would say that it's probably safe to say that for Edgar Allan Poe, His brain, if you could say the synaptic vesicles are the vagina of the human brain, then his were dry, arid, just fucking chafed synaptic vesicles. 0.98
01:17:30.000 He was depressed. 0.99
01:17:31.000 Nothing's coming out, man.
01:17:32.000 And I know what that's like, because anyone who's taken MDMA, if you've taken MDMA and have felt the MDMA-related depression, extrapolate from that thing.
01:17:44.000 Three straight years of that unrelenting numbness that comes when you don't have enough of the happy juice up there. 0.96
01:17:53.000 And then you're gonna start writing shit like, quote the raven, never more. 1.00
01:17:59.000 Also, it doesn't help that his fucking wife... 1.00
01:18:03.000 I think at one point she had, what was the name of that terrible disease? 1.00
01:18:07.000 Tuberculosis.
01:18:08.000 I think it was tuberculosis.
01:18:09.000 She had some horrible lung disease. 0.68
01:18:12.000 And I think she was playing piano.
01:18:15.000 At this party that he threw and she just like exploded blood all over the piano. 1.00
01:18:21.000 Like she just coughed up a big spray of blood.
01:18:24.000 So he had a rough life, Edgar Allen Poe. 1.00
01:18:27.000 He's a fucking alcoholic. 1.00
01:18:28.000 You know, he had a crazy... 1.00
01:18:30.000 Well, there you go.
01:18:30.000 That too.
01:18:31.000 That makes depression.
01:18:33.000 I mean...
01:18:34.000 Yeah, it doesn't help.
01:18:34.000 That's for sure.
01:18:35.000 Nothing hinders your happiness like crashing your system every night.
01:18:40.000 Ugh.
01:18:41.000 Yeah, you're essentially slowly poisoning yourself.
01:18:44.000 If you're really into drinking all the time, ooh.
01:18:48.000 Not good.
01:18:48.000 Not good.
01:18:49.000 Not fucking good. 0.96
01:18:50.000 There's so many better options out there for you, too. 0.99
01:18:53.000 Well, not pot.
01:18:54.000 That's illegal, but...
01:19:01.000 I just think that people would benefit more from it, too.
01:19:05.000 From marijuana?
01:19:05.000 Yeah, instead of making you more confident, it makes you less.
01:19:08.000 It makes you more aware, more objective.
01:19:13.000 It's a nicer drug.
01:19:15.000 It's nicer in terms of its effects, in terms of the behavior of people that are on it.
01:19:20.000 It's just a way nicer drug.
01:19:21.000 I gotta tell you, man. 1.00
01:19:24.000 All this fucking shit coming out about Hillary Clinton, the thing that really bummed me out the most, man, was that fucking she's like anti-marijuana. 1.00
01:19:34.000 That really gets to me, man. 1.00
01:19:37.000 It's like, goddammit.
01:19:38.000 Because I was going to do for her the pragmatic Clinton vote.
01:19:43.000 Well, Trump seems like a fun guy to hang out with at a party.
01:19:48.000 Don't want him around my nuclear weapons.
01:19:50.000 Hillary Clinton seems like a... 1.00
01:19:54.000 You know, God, just like the ultimate politician, like the super evolved ultimate flower on the goddamn bush of politics. 1.00
01:20:04.000 But God, fuck it, I'll write in, fuck it, I'll check Hillary Clinton. 1.00
01:20:08.000 It's like, God damn it. 1.00
01:20:10.000 Gary Johnson. 0.99
01:20:12.000 What?
01:20:12.000 Gary Johnson.
01:20:13.000 Gary Johnson makes sense.
01:20:15.000 I mean... 0.79
01:20:15.000 I mean, he doesn't know shit about Aleppo, but... 0.79
01:20:19.000 He doesn't know shit about a lot of things. 0.99
01:20:21.000 I'm sure that he's gonna have to learn if he becomes president. 0.96
01:20:23.000 Do you really think that- Is that really your- Donald Trump's gonna pay attention to that?
01:20:26.000 That's who you're endorsing?
01:20:27.000 I'm endorsing him more than anybody else.
01:20:29.000 That's who you're gonna vote for?
01:20:30.000 I'd vote- I'll write in you. 1.00
01:20:31.000 How about that, bitch? 1.00
01:20:32.000 Don't write in me. 1.00
01:20:33.000 Write in bag of tarantulas!
01:20:36.000 Write in bag of tarantulas!
01:20:37.000 That's what I'm writing in.
01:20:38.000 No, I'm not writing in bag of tarantulas.
01:20:40.000 Alright, fine.
01:20:41.000 But I do think that I just I mean can only talk about this nonsense so long but her her insistence on working towards marijuana and Making sure that marijuana stays a schedule one drug. 1.00
01:20:57.000 Yeah It's it's not just disappointing. 0.94
01:21:00.000 It's it's traitorous.
01:21:02.000 Yeah traitorous that word.
01:21:03.000 Yes, I mean It's bigly traitorous make it words on traders Shitties Traitorous. 1.00
01:21:12.000 You could say traitorous.
01:21:13.000 Sounds wrong.
01:21:14.000 Sounds like a dinosaur.
01:21:15.000 A traitorsaurus? 0.62
01:21:17.000 Hillary Clinton's a traitorsaurus. 1.00
01:21:20.000 But I think it's not just not doing your job to serve and protect us and to lead us.
01:21:27.000 Not only is it not doing your job, it's doing the opposite of your job.
01:21:31.000 You're doing something for profit and you've made a connection and through influence you've decided to do something that you know for sure doesn't help anybody.
01:21:41.000 It keeps people in jail.
01:21:42.000 That's all you need to know.
01:21:44.000 The keep people in jail part, that's all you need to know.
01:21:46.000 More people were arrested From marijuana than for all violent crimes combined. 0.99
01:21:56.000 That's so fucked up. 1.00
01:21:58.000 It's insane. 1.00
01:21:58.000 But that's the problem, is that it's a business. 1.00
01:22:01.000 There's a giant business in arresting people and putting people in jail, keeping people in jail, enforcing laws.
01:22:09.000 There's a business in that.
01:22:10.000 It's a huge business. 1.00
01:22:11.000 We don't want to think of it as a huge business, but any time a huge business drops off, and it's gonna drop off, whoever you're, if you're in that business, get out now, because you're like, blockbuster video, you motherfuckers. 0.99
01:22:23.000 You're not gonna make it. 0.99
01:22:24.000 You mean the prison business?
01:22:26.000 Yes, the prison business and the drug business, the DEA business, the arresting people for marijuana business.
01:22:33.000 Anybody who's in the arresting people for marijuana business, you might as well be selling Betamax.
01:22:39.000 I hope you're right, man.
01:22:41.000 You can't.
01:22:41.000 It's not going to work anymore.
01:22:43.000 You can't keep arresting people for something that everybody does.
01:22:46.000 Just like they had to give it up with alcohol.
01:22:48.000 But if she's saying, if the next president, she's definitely going to be the next president, is saying that she's going to continue this prohibition to the bankers that were paying her to give a presentation, And this is the person Obama's endorsing and Bernie Sanders is endorsing.
01:23:07.000 It's just like, I don't know. 0.98
01:23:10.000 The more I look into all this shit, the more confused I become. 0.97
01:23:15.000 I tried to go a little deeper into it, like looking up the Clinton Foundation and then checking out the charity websites that talk about the Clinton Foundation or give it a rating or whatever. 0.99
01:23:26.000 And it's like, well, there's a lot of misinformation coming from both sides.
01:23:31.000 But the most the one I trust only because they're like a left-leaning super liberal website the Huffington Post called there's an article and they're saying the Hillary the Clinton Foundation's gross is the name of the article and basically it says the foundation itself If you look at the tax returns, 0.99
01:23:52.000 since it's an operating foundation, all the bullshit about how they're only giving like 6% or 10% of the money to charities is wrong, because they are doing shit. 0.96
01:24:01.000 They are doing stuff. 0.97
01:24:02.000 The foundation goes into the world, it has worked with AIDS, so you can't villainize the entire foundation. 0.86
01:24:10.000 But what's fucked up is the Clintons, when they go to give talks to people who then donate to the foundation, they get paid, and that money's separate from what goes to the foundation.
01:24:20.000 So when Hillary Clinton goes and gives a speech, And then they donate to the foundation. 0.98
01:24:25.000 The amount they pay her for the speech doesn't go to the foundation.
01:24:29.000 Exactly.
01:24:30.000 That goes to the Clintons.
01:24:31.000 And it's hundreds of thousands of dollars for an hour speech.
01:24:35.000 Yeah, right.
01:24:36.000 So that's where the corruption is.
01:24:39.000 And apparently there used to be some kind of...
01:24:42.000 Law that if there was even the appearance of corruption in politics, then you had to change your operating procedures.
01:24:48.000 But that apparently got changed in the Supreme Court or something.
01:24:51.000 So now you can... 0.99
01:24:53.000 Yeah, it's fucking crazy. 0.99
01:24:55.000 It's crazy. 0.99
01:24:56.000 And like last night at the debates, man... 1.00
01:24:58.000 When they asked her about the WikiLeaks shit, which is real. 0.99
01:25:03.000 Like, however the information got obtained, it really doesn't fucking matter. 0.99
01:25:08.000 But, I mean, it matters. 0.95
01:25:10.000 But the issue is...
01:25:12.000 The information itself.
01:25:12.000 Yeah!
01:25:13.000 Right?
01:25:14.000 So when you watch that feint where she's like, you got it from Putin!
01:25:19.000 It was amazing to me.
01:25:21.000 That was like, goddammit, like Trump, there's a really great chance right there for you to be like, did Putin send those emails?
01:25:30.000 Was he writing your emails? 1.00
01:25:31.000 Because let's talk about the fucking emails and then we'll talk about Russia. 0.99
01:25:35.000 But he like spun off on this weird thing. 0.99
01:25:37.000 It was really like a- So she baited him. 0.99
01:25:39.000 She fucking baited him. 1.00
01:25:40.000 She's a master at that. 1.00
01:25:41.000 She's so good at playing him.
01:25:43.000 She's so good.
01:25:44.000 It's amazing to watch.
01:25:45.000 Well, he's easy, but she's doing it masterfully.
01:25:49.000 Masterfully.
01:25:50.000 I guess that's the one bitter comfort that we have, is that this person who's going to become president is very, very sophisticated when it comes to manipulating people.
01:26:01.000 Sophisticated in a way that...
01:26:04.000 God, man, I kept looking, I kept trying to take pictures of her, and you get up close... 0.92
01:26:08.000 She's a vampire! 1.00
01:26:09.000 Dude, her view... 1.00
01:26:10.000 Someone needs to put together a montage of Clinton fucking stink eyes. 1.00
01:26:14.000 Have you seen, like, how good she is at giving the stink eye? 1.00
01:26:17.000 Like, she was looking...
01:26:19.000 Because what's crazy...
01:26:20.000 She was, like, looking...
01:26:21.000 No!
01:26:22.000 No!
01:26:22.000 She's looking at the camera.
01:26:23.000 I'm trying to get pictures of her because she's wearing the same outfit, kind of, as the Heaven's Gate dude.
01:26:29.000 It's kind of the same outfit, so I'm trying to get a picture of it. 0.97
01:26:33.000 And she keeps looking at the camera and giving this fucking stink eye that felt like she was looking at me. 1.00
01:26:39.000 It felt like, fuck, she knows I'm trying to do this tweet about her weird outfit. 1.00
01:26:46.000 She gives a terrible stink eye, man. 1.00
01:26:49.000 I've never seen anybody throw eye daggers like Hillary Clinton can, man. 0.99
01:26:54.000 It's crazy.
01:26:55.000 Do you think that she's employing a different strategy now? 1.00
01:27:00.000 Because her first strategy with him was to kind of laugh when he would say ridiculous shit and almost take the high road. 0.99
01:27:07.000 But now she's gone on the attack more. 1.00
01:27:10.000 And now, Clinton and Melania, they don't shake hands before.
01:27:14.000 There's all this stuff that's going on, man.
01:27:17.000 It's a different sort of vibe now between the two of them as it ramps up.
01:27:22.000 I think she was super effective, though, in just taking the moral high ground.
01:27:27.000 Her?
01:27:28.000 Yeah.
01:27:29.000 In terms of debate tactics.
01:27:31.000 Here's Trump.
01:27:32.000 I imagine what a Trump strategy meeting looks like is people sitting around eating cheeseburgers doing blow.
01:27:39.000 You know what I mean?
01:27:40.000 They're like, Trump's already making deals for his next TV show. 0.99
01:27:44.000 He's like, fuck, whatever, yeah, the president thing. 1.00
01:27:47.000 They don't care. 1.00
01:27:48.000 They're like, you know, he probably is getting fucking calls from Putin. 1.00
01:27:51.000 They're like, wow! 0.99
01:27:52.000 You know what I mean?
01:27:56.000 And I think if you look at a Hillary Clinton strategy meeting, she's like sitting in some kind of like geodesic dome surrounded by CIA agents who are like, we've done a thermal analysis of Donald and here are the moments that you should hold still.
01:28:12.000 And at this moment, we recommend that you say this, and then this, and then this.
01:28:17.000 Like, she goes through the whole...
01:28:18.000 They're like, he's definitely gonna bring up the WikiLeaks. 0.97
01:28:20.000 Here, according to our psychological analysis, and also some of the DNA data we got from one of the cheeseburger crumbs that fell out of his fucking mouth at one of these rallies, is like, he's going to react to this. 0.95
01:28:32.000 And, like, she just memorizes it in a kind of alien way, sits there, and just does it. 0.96
01:28:37.000 Like, the fighters, I'm sure.
01:28:38.000 I remember when you were like when I realized because I don't know at the time I didn't know anything about fighting but then you were explaining how like They have these insanely deep combos.
01:28:48.000 If this person does this, they have all these moves, like, 19 moves deep.
01:28:54.000 That's incredible.
01:28:55.000 So I think she's like that.
01:28:56.000 She has, like, if he does this, you do this.
01:28:59.000 And if he does that, then this, this, this, and then that, and then that, and then that. 0.93
01:29:02.000 And they've done it all with, like, a government team of psychologists who have fully analyzed him and know how to fucking set him off. 0.94
01:29:09.000 And she did it last night. 0.99
01:29:11.000 She did it in every single fucking debate. 1.00
01:29:13.000 And it's not like she's the one who's coming up with that. 1.00
01:29:15.000 She's got a team of the smartest, most manipulative people on planet Earth who baited him in to the fucking elections in the first place. 1.00
01:29:25.000 You saw that email, right? 0.99
01:29:26.000 Where they picked the three candidates that they wanted to empower, you know, or to like build up, which was Trump.
01:29:34.000 What's his name?
01:29:35.000 Ted Cruz. 1.00
01:29:36.000 Ted fucking Cruz. 1.00
01:29:37.000 Because he's also a fool. 1.00
01:29:39.000 Because he's a fool and the other, the sweet guy, the doctor. 1.00
01:29:41.000 Marco Rubio? 1.00
01:29:42.000 No, Ben Carson.
01:29:44.000 Carson, you know? 1.00
01:29:45.000 So like they pick the three biggest fools. 1.00
01:29:47.000 They're like, all right, let's pump them up. 1.00
01:29:50.000 They pump them up. 1.00
01:29:51.000 The king of the fools made his way into the fucking president. 1.00
01:29:56.000 Somehow they're like, are you fucking kidding? 1.00
01:29:58.000 We got Trump? 1.00
01:29:59.000 We got fucking Trump! 1.00
01:30:00.000 We got Trump! 1.00
01:30:01.000 Trump!
01:30:02.000 Hold on, let me go to the Trump file. 1.00
01:30:04.000 Oh my god, listen to this audio of him talking about grabbing fucking girls! 1.00
01:30:09.000 She's like, okay, great, let's use that. 1.00
01:30:11.000 Hold on to that for a while.
01:30:13.000 Yeah, we'll do that on the day before the second debate.
01:30:15.000 Yeah, let's do that on the day before the second debate.
01:30:19.000 You know what I mean?
01:30:20.000 I think they gave it two days.
01:30:21.000 Yeah, two days to build.
01:30:23.000 Two days to build.
01:30:24.000 And then, of course, they were probably working on months leading up to it.
01:30:28.000 They're like, let's find every single person that claims Donald Trump groped them or that were groped by Donald Trump.
01:30:34.000 Or anyone who's willing to claim Donald Trump groped them.
01:30:37.000 Anybody wants to get on TV? Yeah, yeah.
01:30:39.000 How are you guys feeling? 1.00
01:30:40.000 But I have a feeling, I mean, I don't know for sure, but my guess would be that if you wanted to find people who said, yeah, Trump grabbed my pussy, it wouldn't be that fucking hard. 1.00
01:30:49.000 It's not like you're looking for Bigfoot. 1.00
01:30:56.000 Pretty easy to hunt them down would be my guess.
01:31:00.000 Right?
01:31:00.000 Yeah.
01:31:01.000 So it wasn't like a hard thing to do.
01:31:03.000 It's a breadcrumb trail.
01:31:05.000 Yeah.
01:31:05.000 Very simple.
01:31:06.000 Very easy.
01:31:07.000 And so it's like when you realize like that, then you start feeling this weird compassion for him. 0.99
01:31:11.000 You're like, My God, even with all his maliciousness and weird perviness and stuff, ultimately he's like a fucking bull that got put into a goddamn ring with a matador who's been doing this kind of bullfighting for like 30 fucking years, 0.99
01:31:28.000 for better or for worse. 0.99
01:31:29.000 And we're watching what we saw last night, I guess.
01:31:34.000 And what's interesting about it, a big part of what's interesting about it is, he came really close to winning.
01:31:40.000 I mean, he's still in the neighborhood of winning.
01:31:43.000 Right.
01:31:43.000 Plus or minus 11 points.
01:31:45.000 What that means is between now and how many days do we have until the elections?
01:31:49.000 21 days?
01:31:51.000 Listen, man. 0.94
01:31:52.000 A lot of crazy shit can happen in 21 days that can shift people's opinions. 0.95
01:31:56.000 No, but apparently, again, from all the stats... 0.97
01:31:59.000 Now, look, man, I try to get...
01:32:00.000 Don't say any of that stuff, because you don't even know if it's true. 0.98
01:32:03.000 They're all just talking on TV, and they're brainwashing all of us to let us think that they know who the fuck's voting. 0.95
01:32:08.000 They're not talking to you, they're not talking to me, they're not talking to Jamie. 0.98
01:32:11.000 I don't think they know nearly as much...
01:32:14.000 Do you think it's a massive cover-up?
01:32:15.000 No, I don't think it's a massive cover-up at all.
01:32:17.000 I think a lot of what happens in the polls...
01:32:21.000 Does reflect how the United States feels.
01:32:24.000 But there's no way it could be 100% accurate.
01:32:27.000 Because it's not polling 100% of the people.
01:32:31.000 And I think part of the problem with those polls is, once you read the results of the polls, Hillary Clinton is ahead by 16%.
01:32:39.000 Everybody just starts saying, well, Hillary Clinton's got it in the bag. 0.99
01:32:43.000 I've seen the recent polls.
01:32:44.000 And you even start thinking and voting...
01:32:46.000 Right.
01:32:46.000 Towards that goal like people who might have voted for Trump go.
01:32:51.000 I don't want to waste my vote. 0.91
01:32:52.000 I want to be on the winning team You know to be a lot of that I think really though man like if people like what that the effect that that actually has is people who might have been terrified of Trump being president Oh, yeah If they're like, she's already ahead by 12%, I'm not gonna fucking drive out to the polls to vote. 0.75
01:33:06.000 They don't come out to vote.
01:33:07.000 Like, it would serve her more if there was some collusion between her and the media, which, according to the Podesta emails, there certainly has been. 0.98
01:33:15.000 There's like, you've got the, like, the editor of Politico, you saw that one where he's like, fuck it, I'm a hack. 0.97
01:33:20.000 Yeah, he said it was a hack. 0.99
01:33:21.000 Isn't that crazy?
01:33:22.000 Crazy!
01:33:23.000 So, like, I don't know if it was the editor, I don't remember which guy it was, but the point is, I think it's a pretty safe bet That she's going to be the next president.
01:33:34.000 And I don't think that that data that we're getting is necessarily some kind of collusion between...
01:33:41.000 Not saying it's collusion.
01:33:42.000 I'm saying it affects the event itself.
01:33:43.000 I'm saying that even if you do legitimately, objectively poll a group of people and you get a result from that poll, it's not really representative of 100% of the people.
01:33:52.000 But once you start thinking that it is, and once people start deciding that it is, it has a massive impact on how people vote. 0.97
01:33:59.000 Well, I gotta tell you man, before the fucking buses go riding through Varying neighborhoods and scooping up illegal immigrants and before the fucking abortion cops start arresting fucking women for getting abortions and before all the Insanity that like apparently he's gonna do starts happening. 0.99
01:34:21.000 That's he Trump that if he gets elected if he gets about arresting people for abortions Yeah, he said that women should be like punished for that's one of the main one of his many fuck-ups is he was like yeah women should be there should be some punitive Legal shit if women get a legal abortion. 0.99
01:34:37.000 That's real? 0.99
01:34:38.000 Look it up.
01:34:39.000 You can find it.
01:34:39.000 It's like famous.
01:34:40.000 Yeah, look it up.
01:34:41.000 Whoa.
01:34:41.000 Yeah, he's like...
01:34:43.000 He really said that?
01:34:44.000 Look it up.
01:34:45.000 There's a whole thing.
01:34:46.000 I'm kidding.
01:34:47.000 Jamie's gonna look it up.
01:34:47.000 Look it up!
01:34:48.000 Look at the fucking data! 1.00
01:34:50.000 You're getting very worked up. 1.00
01:34:51.000 Data graphs!
01:34:53.000 I didn't know that he had said those words.
01:34:55.000 That's a crazy thing to say.
01:34:56.000 He said there should be some...
01:34:57.000 He would arrest someone for having an abortion.
01:34:59.000 Not for having an abortion.
01:35:00.000 It's like for a...
01:35:01.000 You'll see.
01:35:02.000 It's like enough that she mentioned it in the last debates.
01:35:07.000 Well...
01:35:07.000 Yeah.
01:35:08.000 I mean, it's hard to say, too, because a lot of his positions on things, you know, are off the cuff.
01:35:14.000 You know?
01:35:15.000 Like, maybe he hadn't even considered it.
01:35:17.000 Somebody brings something up and he talks about it and he doesn't have... 0.99
01:35:19.000 Definitely off the fucking cuff. 0.99
01:35:20.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:35:21.000 Trump...
01:35:21.000 He said he was mis...
01:35:22.000 I'll let you read that.
01:35:23.000 Okay, let me read it.
01:35:24.000 Go back up.
01:35:25.000 Go back up, please.
01:35:26.000 Trump abruptly reversed his course, says women should not be punished for abortion.
01:35:31.000 So what did he say?
01:35:32.000 You have to look it up.
01:35:33.000 What was the station?
01:35:34.000 There's been some sort of...
01:35:35.000 Oh, there has to be some sort of punishment, he said, for women who receive unlawful abortions.
01:35:41.000 I have not changed my position, Trump said in the statement.
01:35:45.000 He said he was referring to doctors who perform illegal abortions, not women who receive them.
01:35:50.000 Mmm, okay.
01:35:51.000 That's what he said in the statement.
01:35:51.000 I understand.
01:35:52.000 Okay, so he still believes that doctors who perform illegal abortions, there should be some sort of punishment for them.
01:35:58.000 Alright, well that's not the same thing.
01:35:59.000 Well, he wants to reverse Roe vs.
01:36:00.000 Wade.
01:36:01.000 Does he?
01:36:01.000 Yeah.
01:36:02.000 Does he?
01:36:03.000 He said that last night.
01:36:04.000 He said he would try to put in three Supreme Court justices that would be on that side of the decision.
01:36:12.000 So it would automatically get reversed, was I think his exact words almost.
01:36:16.000 Man, that's so tricky.
01:36:19.000 Deciding what people can and can't do with their body, and people go, it's not that, it's a baby.
01:36:24.000 It's not always a baby.
01:36:26.000 Sometimes it's a bunch of cells.
01:36:27.000 When it's 10 cells, is it still a baby?
01:36:30.000 You could get an abortion 10 cells in. 0.99
01:36:32.000 Is that an abortion? 1.00
01:36:33.000 I mean, I do not know.
01:36:36.000 I'm legitimately asking at what point in time- Do you get to tell someone that they have to remain pregnant? 0.99
01:36:43.000 But think of the irony that fucking pro-abortion Hillary Clinton is anti-marijuana. 1.00
01:36:48.000 So she's like, I'm going to tell you, no, it's not our place to say what a woman could do with her body, but I'm going to fucking tell you what you can put into your body. 1.00
01:36:56.000 I think it is the government's place to say that. 1.00
01:36:59.000 It's like, what the fuck? 0.99
01:37:00.000 She's doing it for profit, 100%. 1.00
01:37:02.000 That's the only reason why the banks want her to do it in the first place. 0.98
01:37:04.000 Why else would the banks be concerned about marijuana?
01:37:07.000 Are they in the marijuana business? 1.00
01:37:09.000 What the fuck is going on? 1.00
01:37:10.000 Why would banks want her to be... 1.00
01:37:14.000 For marijuana laws.
01:37:16.000 That doesn't make any sense.
01:37:18.000 I don't get it, man.
01:37:19.000 I would expect a lot of bankers love weed, so it doesn't make sense.
01:37:23.000 No, I guarantee you I know what it is.
01:37:24.000 It has to do with banks having interest in pharmaceutical companies.
01:37:28.000 The company that makes fentanyl, we've talked about this ad nauseum, they're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in Arizona to try to stop the Medical or not even medical.
01:37:39.000 They're trying to do recreational.
01:37:40.000 Recreational marijuana from being passed in Arizona.
01:37:43.000 Because they know that it's way cheaper, way easier, and way more effective pain relief. 0.99
01:37:47.000 It's going to fucking cripple their creepy-ass business. 0.99
01:37:50.000 And, guess what? 0.99
01:37:51.000 No physical addiction properties.
01:37:53.000 Some people get addicted to it, but they're the same people that get addicted to a lot of stuff, folks.
01:37:57.000 And it doesn't mean there's, like, physical addictive properties to marijuana.
01:38:01.000 There's not really a mechanism for you to get physically addicted to marijuana the way you can get physically addicted to painkillers.
01:38:06.000 Look, even if there was, it's not the government's place to say you can't do this.
01:38:10.000 Especially while they still have pain pills, and they're taking money from these pain pills.
01:38:14.000 Right.
01:38:14.000 Oh, it's so gross.
01:38:16.000 What a fucking mess, man. 1.00
01:38:18.000 It's like, the dream is, like, man, can you imagine? 1.00
01:38:23.000 If the fucking Republicans had come up with just a normal dude, like if they just somehow come up with one normal guy, like just a non-religious nut, and somebody who doesn't have a checkered past, 0.98
01:38:41.000 just a kind of balanced guy who's like, well, we need to work on the economy. 1.00
01:38:45.000 Like Mitt Romney without the Mormon shit. 1.00
01:38:47.000 Yeah! 1.00
01:38:47.000 If they had just come up with that, they would have won by a long shot. 1.00
01:38:52.000 A long shot.
01:38:54.000 It's like this was the perfect chance for them to get somebody in, but it didn't happen.
01:38:59.000 They couldn't do it.
01:39:00.000 Their whole system was so screwy.
01:39:03.000 It's sad, too, when you hear some of the...
01:39:05.000 Because, by the way, man, here's a newsflash.
01:39:07.000 Not all Republicans are bad.
01:39:09.000 People think that. 0.99
01:39:10.000 A lot of them have some great fucking ideas. 0.99
01:39:12.000 Smaller government, not a bad idea. 1.00
01:39:14.000 But when you hear some of the frustration, Like my fucking dad, man. 1.00
01:39:19.000 He's a lifelong Republican. 1.00
01:39:21.000 He's a vet.
01:39:23.000 And he's, you know, he's like dismayed by all of this.
01:39:28.000 Like he looks at it from the perspective of someone who's like seen so many different election cycles and to look at like... 0.94
01:39:36.000 It boiling down to debates that have turned into the fucking Jerry Springer show. 0.99
01:39:40.000 Literally. 1.00
01:39:41.000 This is a fucking guy who spent two fucking years in Vietnam by choice because he thought he was going to fight for his country. 0.99
01:39:50.000 So these things mean a lot to him. 1.00
01:39:53.000 And it's like to see this fucking barely, at least in the debates that I've seen, you see barely anyone talking about the fucking... 0.98
01:40:01.000 Like, no one's fucking talking about the fact that the VA is fucked or that, like, some of these people aren't getting any of the medical care that they need. 0.99
01:40:09.000 It's, like, crazy. 1.00
01:40:10.000 They're up there fucking talking about Trump grabbing pussies or, like, Hillary Clinton's fucking stupid foundation. 1.00
01:40:16.000 What about the fact that, like, people are blowing their goddamn brains out all over neighborhoods across our country because they made the decision to, like, go over and fight in fucking Iraq? 1.00
01:40:25.000 And more people have killed themselves than have died serving. 0.99
01:40:28.000 Yeah, what about that?
01:40:29.000 Yeah, more veterans have killed themselves than have been killed in war.
01:40:34.000 Can you imagine like...
01:40:35.000 That's insane.
01:40:36.000 I have never...
01:40:38.000 What is the numbers?
01:40:40.000 I would like to know how much more it is.
01:40:43.000 More veterans have committed suicide than have died in combat in these wars.
01:40:48.000 That's...
01:40:48.000 that's...
01:40:50.000 That's unbelievably shocking.
01:40:52.000 Dude.
01:40:53.000 The fact that they don't talk about that at all.
01:40:54.000 Hardly at all.
01:40:56.000 And it's like, just imagine like, and by the way, here's another thing, man.
01:40:59.000 One thing you don't hear about.
01:41:01.000 Like, we hear about like, you know, you hear about the...
01:41:06.000 We do hear about PTSD a lot, but I don't think people realize the impact that PTSD has on a family.
01:41:13.000 The impact of your dad or your mom being completely closed off.
01:41:20.000 Because when you get PTSD, You develop these crazy survival mechanisms, so you try not to feel as much anymore.
01:41:26.000 So you get numbed down, you become an alcoholic, you become a drug addict, you have difficulty expressing emotions. 1.00
01:41:33.000 You're a fucking mess, man. 1.00
01:41:35.000 And like, by the way, with all due respect, but you're not, you know, PTSD is a very difficult disorder to have, right? 1.00
01:41:42.000 So it's not just impacting the vet, it's fucking the entire- Spreading out. 0.97
01:41:45.000 Spreading out into the communities and the neighborhoods and shit and the fact that like... 0.99
01:41:50.000 I just imagine being in a family that's been... 1.00
01:41:54.000 God, that's so fucked up. 1.00
01:41:56.000 Suicide surpassed war. 1.00
01:41:57.000 Make that a little larger please, Jamie?
01:41:59.000 You said they're 17 to 22 every day.
01:42:01.000 Make that a little larger please?
01:42:03.000 Wow, look at that man.
01:42:06.000 Jesus Christ.
01:42:07.000 This is really incredible.
01:42:09.000 46% of the...
01:42:10.000 Look at this.
01:42:11.000 The fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan accounted for anywhere from one out of three deaths in the military from 2005 to 2010 to more than 46% of the deaths in 2007...
01:42:23.000 According to the height of the Iraqi, during the height of the Iraqi surge.
01:42:26.000 More than 6,800 troops have died in Iraq and Afghanistan since 9-11, and more than 3,000 additional service members have taken their lives in the same time, according to Pentagon data.
01:42:36.000 So keep going now so we can find out where...
01:42:39.000 That's it?
01:42:40.000 Wait a minute.
01:42:41.000 Hold on a second then.
01:42:42.000 Go back to the bottom of that, please.
01:42:45.000 It says more than 6,800 troops have died in Iraq and Afghanistan and more than 3,000 additional service members have taken their lives.
01:42:52.000 So how is that the same amount?
01:42:54.000 Go back up to the title?
01:42:56.000 That doesn't make any sense to me.
01:42:57.000 Is this a bad article?
01:42:59.000 Suicide surpassed war as the military leading cause of death.
01:43:02.000 What that means is currently.
01:43:04.000 That doesn't mean like all told.
01:43:06.000 Right.
01:43:06.000 I think this is an old article, dude.
01:43:07.000 It's currently, but still, fuck, that's so dire, man. 0.81
01:43:11.000 Yeah, this is a couple years old. 0.97
01:43:13.000 Go and find a, if you can, please find a more recent article.
01:43:17.000 Because I think what they were saying is suicide, yeah, suicide has caused more American casualties than wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
01:43:24.000 There it goes.
01:43:25.000 Okay.
01:43:27.000 Yeah.
01:43:28.000 Okay, so what are the numbers there?
01:43:31.000 Jesus Christ veterans to explore Experts estimate that 17 of the 22 daily suicides involving vets Not enrolled in the VA's health care system.
01:43:44.000 Jesus 27,258 of those we honor for their service on this Veterans Day have died by their own hand 27 fucking thousand people That's from how many wars?
01:44:02.000 How many years? 1.00
01:44:05.000 It's still a lot of fucking people. 1.00
01:44:07.000 It's unbelievable. 0.99
01:44:08.000 Anyway, man, the whole thing...
01:44:10.000 But it's not unbelievable, right?
01:44:11.000 It's very believable.
01:44:12.000 It's an empty existence to be having sent over there when you're 17 years old and you're fighting for a war that a lot of people don't believe in.
01:44:22.000 You wind up killing people you don't even know. 0.98
01:44:24.000 And you come back all fucked up and PTSD'd out and then you don't get any help. 0.98
01:44:29.000 Yeah, you don't get any help because part of, I think maybe part of PTSD is you don't want to reach out for help. 0.98
01:44:35.000 So that's like part of the disorder is you're all numb down.
01:44:38.000 So like, yeah, man, not to mention you have, many of these people have brain trauma.
01:44:42.000 Like they've got like, there's a lot of, anyway, I'm sure that if you're sitting in a, like if you're in a family, That's been impacted by that, and you're watching the debates.
01:44:54.000 Because, you know, for me, I watch the debates as a form of entertainment.
01:44:58.000 You know, to me, it's like there's something in it that's grim, yet hilarious, and it's interesting to see this kind of unraveling of our political system in this way.
01:45:09.000 But, man, it's like... 0.97
01:45:12.000 When you just spend a little bit of time thinking about how the whole machine is impacting families in the most fucked up way, man. 0.98
01:45:20.000 A lot of kids, they don't know their dad has PTSD. They don't even know why their dad is drinking so much or is acting angry or unpredictable or seems fucked up. 0.99
01:45:33.000 They don't even know it. 0.99
01:45:34.000 They just think that's how dad is.
01:45:36.000 And then they develop They begin to imitate that behavior, you know?
01:45:40.000 And then the next thing you know, you've got this echo of this terrible thing that war is echoing out into our communities and into everything, man.
01:45:52.000 I imagine when you're watching the debates and you're realizing that these two people are spending I don't know what percentage of time talking about that. 0.84
01:46:02.000 I don't know what the percentage is exactly that they've talked about veterans at all, but you probably start getting really, really, really depressed when you're like, well, I guess that was just a bunch of bullshit that we did out there for real, because these guys are barely talking about it.
01:46:18.000 It's just a weird popularity contest for them to get into this position of power.
01:46:22.000 That's all it is.
01:46:23.000 And they're saying whatever is popular in the moment. 0.99
01:46:25.000 What's popular in the moment is grabbing pussies and email scandals. 0.99
01:46:28.000 I mean, that's what everybody seems to be focusing on. 0.99
01:46:31.000 Because the war has been going on for so long, the people almost got numb to it.
01:46:34.000 And if you drudge that up, it's not going to get the same emotional sparks, the current event spark that we love.
01:46:41.000 We love a current event spark. 0.88
01:46:42.000 Right now, the current event spark is grabbing pussies and email scandals. 0.95
01:46:46.000 I went back and forth the other day during the debates, post-debate, from CNN to Fox News, CNN to Fox News, CNN to Fox News, just listening to the different sides and how they talk about stuff. 0.95
01:47:00.000 It's so bizarre.
01:47:02.000 It's so bizarre.
01:47:02.000 I mean, you never...
01:47:04.000 More aware of the fact that you are being...
01:47:08.000 Propaganda is being projected in your way.
01:47:12.000 Just blatantly unapologetic propaganda.
01:47:17.000 The CNN people aren't even remotely considering the impact of her...
01:47:24.000 The controversy with the Clinton Foundation, this WikiLeaks stuff that's come out about the bankers and her trying to keep marijuana an illegal drug and keep Americans imprisoned, therefore, because of it.
01:47:38.000 None of that gets brought up.
01:47:39.000 Nothing.
01:47:39.000 Not a thing gets brought up.
01:47:40.000 The idea that 30,000 emails were about yoga classes, how much does this bitch take yoga? 1.00
01:47:48.000 Right. 0.99
01:47:48.000 How is that even possible? 0.99
01:47:50.000 Dude, I've been doing jujitsu for 20...
01:47:52.000 Something years?
01:47:53.000 Yeah.
01:47:54.000 I don't think I have a thousand jujitsu emails that I could delete.
01:48:00.000 Right.
01:48:00.000 I don't even think I have a hun- I might have a hundred.
01:48:03.000 I might have a hundred or two hundred jujitsu emails that I could delete. 0.99
01:48:06.000 How the fuck is Hillary Clinton, non-physical Hillary Clinton, With her bite suit on. 1.00
01:48:13.000 That crazy space outfit on. 1.00
01:48:15.000 How is she...
01:48:16.000 You're trying to pretend that you're doing yoga all the time?
01:48:18.000 Yeah, come on! 0.93
01:48:19.000 That's insane.
01:48:20.000 She's not doing yoga.
01:48:21.000 Also, like, this sinister thing they did.
01:48:25.000 Apparently, John Kerry...
01:48:27.000 Manipulated Ecuador into cutting off Assange's internet connection, you know, so it's like on top of that They just like shut him down.
01:48:35.000 They're like so like our country was able to manipulate another country to shut the internet connection off of a guy It's like, you know, you hear about how like who's the new leader of Korea?
01:48:46.000 It's Kim Jong-un, right?
01:48:48.000 Il was the first, Un's the second. 1.00
01:48:49.000 So like Kim Jong-un The South Koreans, they put propaganda weather balloons into North Korea, and I guess the North Koreans see this shit and they're like, what the fuck? 1.00
01:49:00.000 And then Kim Jong-un threatens to shoot nuclear missiles into South Korea for distributing information, like, hey, you guys Guys are in a fucking hell bubble over there. 1.00
01:49:10.000 You know the world's not really like that? 0.99
01:49:12.000 They don't know that over there.
01:49:13.000 So in the same way, Assange has started leaking this information to us.
01:49:18.000 It's like, hey, check it out, man.
01:49:19.000 You're politicians. 1.00
01:49:20.000 This is how they fucking work. 1.00
01:49:22.000 This is how they work. 0.99
01:49:23.000 And instead of us being like, whoa, let's reform this system. 1.00
01:49:27.000 We gotta reform this fucking system, man. 0.99
01:49:29.000 You can't do that. 1.00
01:49:30.000 Even if it is above the board.
01:49:32.000 Even if what you're doing is above the board in some kind of weird, gray, liminal It shouldn't be.
01:49:40.000 It shouldn't be!
01:49:41.000 Let's fix it! 0.96
01:49:42.000 Instead, we're like, ah, this is that Vladimir Putin trying to fucking manipulate our elections, which, by the way, are not rigged! 0.98
01:49:51.000 How could anyone say that when our politicians are so fucking honest? 0.99
01:49:57.000 Why would anybody say that the very thing that makes these honest people rise to power would be fucking corrupt? 0.99
01:50:06.000 So strange, man. 0.99
01:50:07.000 So strange.
01:50:07.000 So strange.
01:50:08.000 So strange.
01:50:09.000 And it's like, you know, the reaction we should all be having should not be like, I don't know, anger at Russia.
01:50:17.000 The reaction we should be having is anger at our political class.
01:50:22.000 You know, it should be, and that was Assange's idea, right?
01:50:25.000 That's his idea, is like, if we expose, he wrote this essay, I read an article about it, if we expose the inner workings of our political class, And we show that the level of deceitfulness that is involved in this game of chess, which now people are just saying,
01:50:40.000 well, that's just the way it works.
01:50:42.000 That's how it works in the modern world. 1.00
01:50:43.000 You've got to be cutthroat and you've got to lie and you've got to trick and you've got to do all this shit. 0.98
01:50:48.000 If we expose them, then what that hopefully is supposed to do is make them reform on their own or create what he called a The idea is you want it to be very expensive to lie. 0.98
01:51:00.000 And also, he's created a situation where all of them are living in a terrible world of paranoia, which I think is kind of hilarious because, like, Assange has done to Hillary Clinton what the NSA has done to all of us, you know? 0.91
01:51:15.000 Like, he has all this fucking data and she doesn't know which data he has. 0.96
01:51:21.000 She doesn't know what he's got. 0.98
01:51:23.000 A lot of politicians have no idea what WikiLeaks has. 0.99
01:51:26.000 That's the strategy behind, I think that's the strategy, behind the trickling release of this information, is because it's like the Japanese water torture, little drops, so that every day they have to sit and think, fuck man. 0.99
01:51:40.000 Did they get those fucking pictures from the Bohemian Grove? 0.99
01:51:43.000 You know what the rumors are, right? 0.99
01:51:45.000 Do you know the rumors about the release?
01:51:47.000 That there's going to be a bomb dropped on November 1st.
01:51:50.000 That's the super awesome conspiracy rumor deluxe of the day.
01:51:54.000 Wow.
01:51:54.000 That on November 1st...
01:51:57.000 Anonymous, WikiLeaks, Guy Fawkes himself, someone is going to drop some huge fucking information bomb that's going to make Hillary Clinton... 1.00
01:52:08.000 The rumor, of course, amongst conspiracy theorists is going to disqualify for the election. 0.96
01:52:14.000 I don't even know if that's possible at this point.
01:52:15.000 Because... 1.00
01:52:17.000 She got away with that email scandal shit. 1.00
01:52:19.000 That email stuff would have put anybody else in jail. 1.00
01:52:21.000 Right.
01:52:22.000 I mean, I posted something on Twitter the other day about a soldier who took photographs with his camera on his phone of some inner workings of a submarine, and he's going to jail because of it.
01:52:34.000 Just took photographs of it.
01:52:35.000 There you go.
01:52:36.000 What she did was infinitely worse.
01:52:39.000 They're both government officials.
01:52:40.000 That soldier and Hillary Clinton are both government employees, right?
01:52:45.000 Right.
01:52:45.000 The only difference being, of course, she's elected.
01:52:47.000 Yeah.
01:52:48.000 That's it.
01:52:49.000 I mean, other than that, I mean, he works for the government, but his responsibility to adhere to the rules has way more consequence than hers.
01:52:56.000 What she did with those emails, like, no one is denying that it was illegal.
01:53:01.000 No one is saying it was fine.
01:53:03.000 And her crazy talk about it being 30,000 yoga emails just exacerbates the whole thing. 1.00
01:53:10.000 It's like, listen, they're going to find out it wasn't really yoga, and then what?
01:53:15.000 Then what are you going to say?
01:53:16.000 What are you going to say?
01:53:17.000 Yeah, there were some yoga emails.
01:53:18.000 There was two of them.
01:53:19.000 There's two yoga emails, and then there's 28,000 about Benghazi.
01:53:25.000 Right, right.
01:53:26.000 Then what happens?
01:53:28.000 There's 28,000 about using drones on Julian Assange.
01:53:32.000 I mean, she wanted to drone him.
01:53:34.000 Yeah, well, I mean, I think...
01:53:35.000 She might have been joking.
01:53:37.000 I'm not defending either of these creeps.
01:53:39.000 They're creepy to me. 0.99
01:53:40.000 Both of them give me the fucking heebie-jeebies, man. 1.00
01:53:43.000 Not Julian Assange. 0.99
01:53:44.000 You're talking about Trump and Hillary, right? 1.00
01:53:46.000 No, I'm talking about that monster Julian fucking Assange. 1.00
01:53:49.000 He gives you the creeps? 1.00
01:53:50.000 No, I'm kidding.
01:53:51.000 That would be the worst thing!
01:53:53.000 I love him!
01:53:54.000 I have a plan to help Julian Assange escape. 0.99
01:53:59.000 I think I know a way to get him out of that fucking embassy if he wanted to leave. 0.99
01:54:02.000 I know how you could do it. 0.99
01:54:04.000 How would you do that?
01:54:05.000 So here's what I would do.
01:54:07.000 You know you see him come out to that little balcony and kind of look out in a sad way.
01:54:11.000 He doesn't have an internet. 1.00
01:54:12.000 Fucking sucks. 1.00
01:54:13.000 So here's what you do. 1.00
01:54:16.000 Schedule one of those flash mobs where, I don't know, 10,000, 20,000, 30,000.
01:54:23.000 I'm putting my life on the line here. 1.00
01:54:24.000 Please, fucking Clinton and Trump, don't kill me for saying this. 1.00
01:54:27.000 I only want everyone to love. 1.00
01:54:29.000 Get like 10,000 people to gather around that fucking embassy wearing that Guy Fawkes mask, the anonymous mask. 0.99
01:54:35.000 They're all wearing the anonymous mask and certain outfits. 0.99
01:54:38.000 Do you have a side business in anonymous masks?
01:54:41.000 What?
01:54:42.000 Do you have a Guy Fawkes business?
01:54:44.000 If you just go to DuncanTrustle.com, you can buy a Guy Fawkes mask.
01:54:47.000 It goes to my foundation.
01:54:48.000 Oh, foundation.
01:54:49.000 So the idea is you get them to gather around it in some kind of mask and dress like Julian Assange and then just throw a mask. 0.94
01:54:57.000 So he like jumps out into this mob of people all dressed like him wearing this fucking Guy Fawkes mask and just vanishes into the crowd. 0.97
01:55:04.000 Oh, that's a movie. 0.99
01:55:05.000 That's Mission Impossible, son.
01:55:06.000 Yeah, I think it would work. 0.98
01:55:08.000 That's ridiculous. 0.83
01:55:08.000 Because he's got access to the balcony. 0.83
01:55:10.000 It means he could get down.
01:55:11.000 You just gotta pop a ladder up real quick. 0.99
01:55:13.000 Everyone's dressed like fucking Anonymous. 0.99
01:55:15.000 Everyone looks like Assange with the Anonymous mask on. 1.00
01:55:17.000 Yeah, look at that. 1.00
01:55:18.000 Pop right off of that fucking balcony. 1.00
01:55:20.000 Wow, that balcony's so close. 1.00
01:55:22.000 So close. 0.97
01:55:23.000 Just dive into a sea of people dressed in the Anonymous masks and get just fucking vanished into time. 1.00
01:55:28.000 Shave your fucking head. 1.00
01:55:29.000 Get a face tattoo. 1.00
01:55:30.000 How does that guy sleep?
01:55:33.000 I mean, wouldn't you be freaked out?
01:55:35.000 The fact that his door is that close to the...
01:55:40.000 I mean, that's where the door is.
01:55:41.000 That's where the ground is, right?
01:55:42.000 Anybody could just jump up there and climb in.
01:55:44.000 Yeah.
01:55:44.000 This guy is hated, hated, by some of the biggest world leaders ever.
01:55:48.000 That's his little tiny balcony.
01:55:50.000 You live in a little embassy in the middle. 0.99
01:55:52.000 Yeah, it sucks. 0.99
01:55:53.000 In London. 0.99
01:55:54.000 And he has to stay in that building.
01:55:56.000 You know how he...
01:55:57.000 Because when he's in that building, he's on foreign soil, and they can't invade.
01:56:01.000 It is insane. 0.99
01:56:02.000 And he's been there for four fucking years. 1.00
01:56:05.000 Four years, not going outside. 1.00
01:56:06.000 You know how that guy fucking sleeps? 1.00
01:56:08.000 He sleeps like a fucking hero. 1.00
01:56:09.000 When that guy goes to bed, he goes to bed in the way that somebody who's like, I'm actually trying to help my species. 1.00
01:56:16.000 Did you ever see him dance?
01:56:17.000 I know.
01:56:18.000 Pull that up.
01:56:21.000 Pull up Julian Assange dancing.
01:56:23.000 No, there's nothing wrong with him.
01:56:24.000 Nothing wrong with this.
01:56:26.000 You have to, when you see someone dance like this, you have to always think, oh yeah, that guy dances like this.
01:56:35.000 He dances like a goth. 0.82
01:56:35.000 He's a goth! 0.82
01:56:37.000 Yeah, I mean, there's nothing wrong with dancing like that.
01:56:39.000 There's nothing wrong with dancing like that.
01:56:40.000 But you've got to be aware of everything.
01:56:42.000 That's something to be aware of.
01:56:44.000 This is how Julian Assange dances.
01:56:46.000 And he dances by himself like this.
01:56:49.000 So, that's another thing.
01:56:50.000 You weren't for them, man!
01:56:51.000 He's moving out into the dance floor and he's dancing by himself.
01:56:55.000 Now, let's be honest.
01:56:57.000 He could easily be on drugs, in which case this is all forgivable behavior.
01:56:59.000 He's definitely on drugs. 0.99
01:57:00.000 He may be on ecstasy right now, or molly, or he might be stoned out of his fucking mind on some pot cookies or on acid or something. 0.98
01:57:08.000 But he's dancing in a very, very strange way. 0.99
01:57:13.000 It's a goth dance.
01:57:14.000 He's doing a goth, gothic dancing.
01:57:16.000 No, there's nothing wrong with it, man.
01:57:17.000 Look, I dance strange. 0.99
01:57:19.000 He's fucking weird. 0.99
01:57:20.000 Check out my other videos. 1.00
01:57:23.000 I mean, people are weird, you know?
01:57:24.000 There's nothing wrong with dancing weird.
01:57:26.000 But you should know that.
01:57:28.000 Listen, man, because of you, whenever I hear anything about Julian Assange, I do think about that dance video.
01:57:33.000 God forbid you. 0.99
01:57:35.000 My fucking dancing's written. 1.00
01:57:36.000 God forbid. 1.00
01:57:37.000 Yes, there's nothing wrong with the way he dances.
01:57:39.000 I'm kidding.
01:57:40.000 You know, if people think I'm serious, I'm kidding.
01:57:41.000 People know you're joking.
01:57:42.000 They don't, man.
01:57:43.000 People don't.
01:57:43.000 I put up a thing today about Flat Earth, and people thought that I was, like, serious about the Flat Earth.
01:57:49.000 I put up this thing on Instagram about all the evidence that you're being brainwashed.
01:57:54.000 And one of them is if you really believe that the sun is millions of miles away.
01:57:58.000 How to tell if you're brainwashed.
01:58:00.000 Do you believe the earth is spinning at a thousand miles an hour but you can't feel it?
01:58:03.000 You believe the oceans are curving because gravity, in air quotes, but you can't measure it.
01:58:09.000 We believe ships disappearing over the horizon are proof of the globe and not due to perspective.
01:58:14.000 We believe that pilots would not have to account for the Earth's curvature or spin while flying.
01:58:20.000 Yeah, man. 1.00
01:58:21.000 This is so stupid. 1.00
01:58:22.000 I gotta tell you, though, man, once I was getting a massage and the massage therapist was a flat earther. 1.00
01:58:28.000 Oh, no.
01:58:29.000 It was the best.
01:58:30.000 I mean, it's like, what's better? 0.63
01:58:31.000 You know, talking massages sometimes suck, but this is like... 0.93
01:58:34.000 What did she say? 0.98
01:58:35.000 Well, what's funny about it is as she's like...
01:58:39.000 Explaining flat earth theory to me.
01:58:41.000 I wanted to argue with her.
01:58:43.000 And then I realized my understanding of cosmology is so terrible.
01:58:51.000 The persuasive argument against it?
01:58:54.000 Because it's like...
01:58:55.000 Well, the conspiracy argument is the best because you would think that everybody would have to be in on it.
01:58:59.000 Everybody who's ever been a part of space travel, whether it's the Russians or the Chinese or the Americans, anyone who has ever been an astrophysicist has to be in on it. 0.94
01:59:10.000 That's like one of the best fucking tweets that I ever got from somebody. 0.94
01:59:13.000 What was that? 0.99
01:59:14.000 Was someone saying I was a sellout because of my flat earth hate and we know where your checks are being cashed?
01:59:20.000 They're being cashed from the flat earths?
01:59:22.000 They're saying that I'm getting shut up money from the round earth shill fund.
01:59:31.000 I'd love to see that meeting.
01:59:32.000 That's a fund!
01:59:33.000 I'd love to see that meeting where you and Sussman are sitting with these reptilians and they're like, listen Joe, you know the earth is flat, we know the earth is flat. 0.91
01:59:42.000 They dangle the check in front of you and they go, the earth is?
01:59:44.000 And you go, round, sir.
01:59:46.000 And you take the check.
01:59:47.000 Yes, round.
01:59:53.000 Next.
01:59:54.000 Next.
01:59:55.000 George Clooney coming here.
01:59:58.000 Let me ask you something.
01:59:59.000 For real.
02:00:00.000 Round, sir.
02:00:01.000 Round.
02:00:02.000 For real, man.
02:00:03.000 For real, bro. 0.97
02:00:04.000 If you knew the earth was flat, like, I don't know how you knew, like, fucking Dana White, or the people who run the UFC, they're like, look, man, it actually... 0.98
02:00:11.000 I'd be the first to tell you. 0.98
02:00:13.000 Okay.
02:00:13.000 I'd be broadcasting you from the roof.
02:00:15.000 Let's say you knew the earth was flat.
02:00:16.000 It's flat.
02:00:16.000 Don't go too far.
02:00:17.000 But let's say the lizards did visit.
02:00:19.000 Let's say they did visit you.
02:00:21.000 What's your price to be a shill?
02:00:24.000 Fifty bucks.
02:00:25.000 What?
02:00:25.000 Fifty.
02:00:26.000 Fifty?
02:00:26.000 Fifty's a good meal somewhere.
02:00:28.000 Get a steak, glass of wine.
02:00:30.000 I don't ask a lot.
02:00:30.000 I don't want to die.
02:00:32.000 Look, you guys are lizards. 0.99
02:00:33.000 You're lizard people. 0.99
02:00:34.000 You're all powerful. 0.96
02:00:35.000 You're gonna run this thing anyway.
02:00:37.000 50 bucks.
02:00:38.000 That's cool.
02:00:39.000 You don't want them to think you're unreasonable.
02:00:41.000 Oh, he wants 50 million dollars. 0.99
02:00:42.000 Or we just fucking eat him. 0.99
02:00:44.000 Dude, I like fishing this stuff out of you because it spawns YouTube videos. 0.99
02:00:49.000 I think it's really funny.
02:00:51.000 From me being a Satanist?
02:00:52.000 Yeah, because now someone will...
02:00:54.000 Illuminati confirmed.
02:00:55.000 Well, you guys are Illuminati because you did that thing at the UFC. We are Illuminati.
02:00:58.000 I am Illuminati.
02:00:58.000 I am the Illuminati.
02:01:00.000 I didn't even know.
02:01:00.000 I didn't even know.
02:01:01.000 I am in the Illuminati.
02:01:03.000 It's great, man.
02:01:04.000 Is it good?
02:01:05.000 Do you get good benefits?
02:01:06.000 What?
02:01:07.000 Benefits?
02:01:08.000 Yeah.
02:01:09.000 Okay.
02:01:10.000 Tell me later.
02:01:11.000 What?
02:01:12.000 Tell me later about the benefits, maybe?
02:01:13.000 I don't know.
02:01:15.000 Don't ask, man.
02:01:16.000 What about numerology?
02:01:17.000 Is that real?
02:01:17.000 Yes.
02:01:18.000 Ooh, interesting.
02:01:20.000 Masonry? 0.63
02:01:20.000 What? 0.63
02:01:21.000 Are you a Mason?
02:01:21.000 A Freemason?
02:01:23.000 Yes.
02:01:23.000 Is there any other kind?
02:01:24.000 You two guys, you and Ari.
02:01:28.000 The kissing part was probably one of the greatest moments in UFC history.
02:01:34.000 Yeah, that was great, man. 1.00
02:01:36.000 Oh, shit! 0.99
02:01:36.000 Can I tell you something I just found out? 0.99
02:01:38.000 Yes.
02:01:39.000 Okay, man.
02:01:39.000 This is actually really cool.
02:01:40.000 You should research this.
02:01:42.000 Did I tell you about the Cacophony Society?
02:01:44.000 No, what's that?
02:01:45.000 Okay, man.
02:01:45.000 So...
02:01:47.000 The guys who, like, at least partially started Burning Man were called the Cacophony Society. 0.96
02:01:52.000 And it was this group of people that do the funniest fucking things together.
02:01:58.000 And it's really fascinating. 0.98
02:01:59.000 They call it culture jamming.
02:02:01.000 But, like, for example, they do this.
02:02:04.000 Have you ever heard of the Salmon Run?
02:02:05.000 No, what's that?
02:02:06.000 They dress up in giant salmon outfits and run the wrong way in races.
02:02:14.000 That's hilarious.
02:02:16.000 So they run towards the crowd?
02:02:18.000 They run just the opposite direction.
02:02:20.000 So you'll see a marathon and these salmon are running like this.
02:02:23.000 There it is!
02:02:23.000 Oh, that is so funny.
02:02:25.000 That's so funny.
02:02:26.000 That's the cacophony.
02:02:27.000 They're running upstream.
02:02:28.000 They're high-fiving people.
02:02:29.000 And people let them go through.
02:02:31.000 They're not mad.
02:02:31.000 That's good.
02:02:32.000 That's the cacophony society, man.
02:02:34.000 That's funny, man.
02:02:35.000 But these are the guys who started Burning Man and Chuck Palahniuk.
02:02:39.000 That's where he got the inspiration for Fight Club.
02:02:41.000 From Burning Man?
02:02:42.000 No, the Cacophony Society, because he was in the Cacophony Society.
02:02:46.000 He's one of them.
02:02:47.000 But their motto is, you may already be a member.
02:02:53.000 And anybody can start their own branch.
02:02:56.000 But it's really, really funny.
02:02:58.000 If you look up all the stuff they've done, man, it's really trippy.
02:03:02.000 One of the things they did was...
02:03:05.000 They set up clowns at every stop along a bus route so that every time the bus picked people up, it picked up a new clown.
02:03:14.000 But the clowns wouldn't acknowledge each other like they just happened to be getting on the same bus. 0.99
02:03:20.000 How fucking strange. 0.98
02:03:21.000 It's cool, though, because what it... 0.96
02:03:23.000 I mean, I'm not going to try to get into their theory about it, because they actually have a pretty deep philosophical...
02:03:30.000 It seems to be a fairly deep philosophy that a lot of it's really hard to understand for me.
02:03:35.000 But Dadaism is part of it, and this concept of this thing called the zone.
02:03:39.000 Actually, Hakeem Bay's temporary autonomous zone is kind of...
02:03:43.000 Yeah.
02:03:55.000 Yeah.
02:03:56.000 Yeah.
02:03:59.000 Yeah.
02:04:02.000 Huge changes in a person's life to suddenly no longer be afflicted with the humdrum normal day-to-day Materialistic consumeristic bullshit that we call everyday life to create a tiny little bubble where that doesn't exist and where you're like there are two rules I don't know if you can call them rules,
02:04:21.000 but their rules are you don't do a cacophonist event for money and you don't do it to promote your religion.
02:04:27.000 So you're doing this for no reason other than like subversions for subversion's sake.
02:04:33.000 So the profit that you're getting from it is just the incredible moment that you find yourself in a salmon outfit running the opposite way.
02:04:44.000 But what it does is it That temporarily disrupts the hypnotic trance that a lot of people are in.
02:04:53.000 Like, when they're living, you know, you're just- And this is by design?
02:04:57.000 That's what they're trying to do, or they're just having fun?
02:04:59.000 It looks like they're just having fun running against the crowd of marathon runners, and they're in salmon outfits.
02:05:05.000 Yeah, it is for fun, but then there's like theory behind it.
02:05:08.000 So they've actually like, this is something that they've written out and contemplated and acted on.
02:05:12.000 There's a great book called Tales of the Cacophony Society that I'm reading that's so fucking funny.
02:05:17.000 How long have they been around for? 0.56
02:05:19.000 They've been around since the...
02:05:20.000 They're pre-Burning Man, so I guess they've been around for like mid-80s or something like that.
02:05:26.000 And prior to that, there was something called The Suicide Club, which was...
02:05:30.000 Or they're an offshoot of this group in San Francisco called The Suicide Club, which was like...
02:05:35.000 An actual secret society that if you wanted to be a member, you had to get your affairs in order like you were going to commit suicide.
02:05:42.000 Whoa.
02:05:43.000 Yeah, it's really cool.
02:05:44.000 Yeah, really cool.
02:05:46.000 But then the Cacophony Society sort of emerged. 0.90
02:05:50.000 Their history is fucking hilarious, though. 0.58
02:05:53.000 The history of them is so funny. 0.90
02:05:55.000 And if you look at the early Burning Man that the Cacophonists were involved in... 0.99
02:06:01.000 Holy shit. 0.99
02:06:02.000 They have like a drive-by shooting range. 1.00
02:06:05.000 So like they would like drive in cars blasting at targets. 0.99
02:06:13.000 Dude, they were launching flaming fucking pianos out of catapults out in the middle of the desert. 0.99
02:06:19.000 Oh my god. 0.99
02:06:20.000 And people were getting hurt, man.
02:06:22.000 I wonder why.
02:06:24.000 They were badass.
02:06:27.000 It sounds like if Hunter S. Thompson started a religion.
02:06:31.000 Exactly.
02:06:31.000 That's a great way to put it.
02:06:33.000 And I'll tell you, man, he probably knew of them, and if he didn't know of them, he would have been like, oh, I'm one of them.
02:06:38.000 You could be one of them, you don't have to even join up.
02:06:41.000 We started a branch.
02:06:43.000 Today, right?
02:06:44.000 When did we start one?
02:06:45.000 Well, we just started a second branch.
02:06:47.000 I started a branch.
02:06:48.000 With who?
02:06:48.000 I say I, we.
02:06:50.000 Well, it's called the Ukrainian branch of the LA Cacophony Society.
02:06:55.000 Why Ukrainian?
02:06:56.000 What?
02:06:57.000 Why Ukrainian?
02:06:57.000 Well, we had the last meeting.
02:07:00.000 So we had our final meeting at Gelson's on Hyperion.
02:07:04.000 You guys have meetings?
02:07:06.000 Well, we had our last meeting.
02:07:07.000 So we had the final meeting.
02:07:08.000 How many meetings did you have all told?
02:07:10.000 One.
02:07:14.000 Who's we?
02:07:15.000 Me and a bunch of people.
02:07:16.000 I just put it out on Twitter.
02:07:17.000 Who are the people?
02:07:18.000 Me, Brendan Walsh, and then a group of some other people from Burning Man who I know, and then just some people who responded to the tweet.
02:07:26.000 And you guys all met at Gelson's?
02:07:27.000 In pajamas.
02:07:29.000 We met at...
02:07:30.000 We met at Gelson's.
02:07:34.000 We met at the Gelson's noshing and imbibing bar in pajamas.
02:07:38.000 Oh my god.
02:07:39.000 And then we did...
02:07:41.000 We did...
02:07:44.000 So the plan was, we met there, we had drinks, and it was so weird driving to do it.
02:07:50.000 I'm like, well, you definitely have lost your mind, man. 1.00
02:07:52.000 You're out of your fucking mind. 1.00
02:07:54.000 This cacophony idea, it's crazy. 1.00
02:07:56.000 I don't know why you're fucking doing this. 0.99
02:07:57.000 So I ended up... 1.00
02:08:01.000 Thinking like, you know, you feel crazy driving the galsons in pajamas. 0.99
02:08:04.000 So we fucking, you get there, and all of a sudden the people at the bar are looking like, what the fuck is happening? 1.00
02:08:12.000 Suddenly there's this group of people standing at the bar in fucking pajamas. 1.00
02:08:17.000 What do your pajamas look like? 1.00
02:08:19.000 I wore Captain America pajamas. 1.00
02:08:22.000 Fuck yeah, Duncan. 1.00
02:08:26.000 Good call. 0.99
02:08:27.000 But then what we did is Brendan Walsh, because we had him give this speech, you know, because I was like, everybody, I don't want this meeting, our final meeting, to be caught up in how Brendan Walsh ruined the Ukrainian branch of the L.A. Kikofmy Society,
02:08:44.000 so let's just not think about that.
02:08:46.000 And then he gives a speech and he reads the entirety of Tiger Woods' cheating apology.
02:08:54.000 Suddenly this dude in pajamas is reading Tiger Woods' cheating apology in front of a group of people in pajamas who, whenever Brendan would say one of Tiger's weird apologies, everyone would applaud and then shush ourselves at the same time.
02:09:08.000 So it's like clapping like, shh, let him talk, let him talk. 0.98
02:09:11.000 And then we sang fucking Do You Want to Build a Snowman from Frozen? 0.99
02:09:18.000 And then we fucking left. 1.00
02:09:20.000 That's perfect. 0.98
02:09:20.000 Did you film it? 0.98
02:09:22.000 Well, we have some...
02:09:23.000 Yeah, we have...
02:09:23.000 Did you have a film of this?
02:09:24.000 I have a film of it.
02:09:25.000 I'll send it to you.
02:09:26.000 I don't know where it is.
02:09:27.000 Please do.
02:09:27.000 It's not online, but yeah, man.
02:09:28.000 That's what we did.
02:09:29.000 Wear pajamas or bathrobes.
02:09:31.000 We will tell stories of the good times our society shared.
02:09:35.000 Offer final toasts and sing Do You Want to Build a Snowman?
02:09:39.000 Meet at Noshing and Imbibing the Gelson's Bar. 1.00
02:09:43.000 Holy shit. 0.99
02:09:44.000 Bring sleeping bags. 0.99
02:09:45.000 Yeah.
02:09:46.000 Dude.
02:09:46.000 Yeah.
02:09:47.000 That is so ridiculous. 1.00
02:09:48.000 It was really fucking great. 1.00
02:09:50.000 We were going to do another meeting that we're going to have. 0.98
02:09:52.000 You are?
02:09:53.000 Well, yeah.
02:09:53.000 We're going to have a meeting of the new...
02:09:57.000 The new branch?
02:09:59.000 The new Ukrainian branch of the LA Cacophony Society, but we haven't figured out what that is yet.
02:10:03.000 Why is it Ukrainian? 0.97
02:10:05.000 What?
02:10:05.000 Why Ukrainian?
02:10:06.000 Well, I don't know. 1.00
02:10:11.000 Who the fuck knows? 0.97
02:10:13.000 The whole point of the thing, though, which is really beautiful. 0.99
02:10:16.000 All this shit happened because I realized, okay, well, Burning Man was the coolest thing I ever experienced. 0.86
02:10:22.000 And then I traced that back to the Cacophony Society. 0.99
02:10:25.000 And then I kept hearing this guy's name, John Law, John Law, John Law.
02:10:29.000 So I found him.
02:10:31.000 And I emailed him, and then he just wrote back, like, yeah, just call me.
02:10:34.000 Here's my number.
02:10:35.000 And then I called him, and then we started talking about what the events were like.
02:10:39.000 And he said, the main thing about it is inclusivity.
02:10:43.000 He's like, this is what makes it so cool.
02:10:46.000 If you really form a branch, this is more of an experiment, but if you really do it, then everybody who decides to participate, they come up with their own events.
02:10:57.000 You know?
02:10:58.000 So, like, everyone's like, alright, we're gonna be doing this next Tuesday.
02:11:01.000 If you wanna come, come.
02:11:02.000 If you don't, don't come.
02:11:03.000 The following Tuesday we're gonna be doing this.
02:11:04.000 But there's no, like, pushing people out.
02:11:06.000 It's like, whoever wants to be involved, let them be involved.
02:11:10.000 And then everyone kind of gathers together in this little weird bubble that forms.
02:11:14.000 Which is like, dude, when you're in pajamas at Gelson's, watching people, it's what we were talking about earlier.
02:11:19.000 What is the sane way to live, right?
02:11:21.000 So when you're in Gelson's, wearing pajamas, singing, do you want to build a snowman, and you look out, and people are kind of like walking with their shoulders down to buy their evening groceries, and they're just kind of like, look over at you, they get the biggest smile on their face.
02:11:35.000 They don't know what's fucking happening, we don't know what's happening, but at It feels so cool.
02:11:40.000 It's like a really exciting moment of really minor rebellion that has no impact ultimately in the flow of society. 0.99
02:11:49.000 But in that tiny moment, it's like, fuck, we're in zero gravity here, man. 0.97
02:11:56.000 Yeah, I mean, a coordinated effort like that with a bunch of people in pajamas singing, Do You Want to Build a Snowman? 0.99
02:12:04.000 Out of nowhere would make everybody smile.
02:12:06.000 Yeah. 0.99
02:12:07.000 It's one of those, like, what in the fuck are these guys doing? 0.96
02:12:09.000 Yeah, and dude, you'd look over, because it was right next to the deli, so people were sitting at the deli pretending to be eating their dinner, but they kept looking over at Brendan giving the Tiger Woods speech. 0.97
02:12:20.000 But that's the other cool idea that they came up with, man, which was...
02:12:26.000 It's like the way we do entertainment right now is so weird because it's like and I guess thank God for it because it's our jobs but like people pay a cover and they go in and there's the audience that sits and the audience and the comedian that talks or the entertainer that talks and there's this weird distance between the two and it's like so that relationship between entertainer and entertained their idea is like let's merge it together so that we're entertaining each other For no reason other than like,
02:12:56.000 let's just fucking get together and like see what happens, you know? 0.93
02:13:00.000 Now, this was a non-risky thing. 0.97
02:13:02.000 Like a lot of their thing is like, elevate the risk, elevate the risk, elevate the risk.
02:13:07.000 The more you elevate the risk, the more it's like a crucible kind of that really brings people together. 0.96
02:13:13.000 Which is, I think, the idea of taking people out to the fucking desert originally. 0.97
02:13:16.000 It's like, let's just take a group of these people. 0.98
02:13:19.000 Launch flaming pianos with a catapult.
02:13:21.000 Yeah!
02:13:22.000 I want to bring up, before I forget, Brendan Walsh is one of my favorite stunts that he did.
02:13:27.000 This gives you an indication of what kind of sense of humor he has.
02:13:30.000 He put a fake Whole Foods sign in Silver Lake.
02:13:36.000 He wanted people to think that a Whole Foods was coming to Silver Lake.
02:13:39.000 I mean, there might be one now, but he did this a long time ago.
02:13:42.000 And there was a lot.
02:13:43.000 It was an empty lot.
02:13:44.000 So he had a sign made.
02:13:46.000 With the Whole Foods logo.
02:13:48.000 Put Coming Soon on it.
02:13:49.000 Yeah, there it is.
02:13:50.000 And he set it up on the fence.
02:13:52.000 And people were so psyched.
02:13:55.000 Yep.
02:13:55.000 That is Brendan Walsh, man.
02:13:57.000 That's what his sense of humor is like.
02:13:59.000 It's so cool.
02:14:00.000 And dude, he...
02:14:02.000 That's why when I read this book...
02:14:04.000 Look at this right there.
02:14:05.000 Look at the top of it.
02:14:06.000 Did the Silver Lake Whole Foods hoke prankster reveal his plans on a podcast?
02:14:10.000 Oh, genius! 0.99
02:14:11.000 Oh, he did it on What the Fuck with Marc Maron. 1.00
02:14:14.000 That's when he revealed it, I guess. 0.99
02:14:17.000 Yeah. 0.94
02:14:17.000 He's so fucking funny. 0.94
02:14:19.000 He's so funny, man. 0.98
02:14:20.000 He's such a trip.
02:14:22.000 Dude, he commits to this.
02:14:23.000 The other thing that he does is he fully commits to this.
02:14:27.000 He does a lot of stuff, and he doesn't care if people know.
02:14:31.000 And that is, to me, another really cool thing about him.
02:14:36.000 He's a funny comic too.
02:14:37.000 He's a funny dude.
02:14:38.000 All around funny dude. 1.00
02:14:39.000 Like funny dude for that kind of shit. 1.00
02:14:41.000 Just the way his mind works. 1.00
02:14:43.000 What did he do recently?
02:14:44.000 He went up somewhere, I want to say it's the improv maybe, and he had them introduce him as one of his friends.
02:14:51.000 He went up and he did that guy's act.
02:14:57.000 He told that guy's jokes.
02:14:58.000 He pretended he was him.
02:15:00.000 That's so good. 1.00
02:15:01.000 He's so fucking silly. 1.00
02:15:03.000 So silly. 1.00
02:15:03.000 Yeah, and he commits 100%, man. 1.00
02:15:05.000 Because when you're standing in fucking pajamas in a goddamn Gelson's reading Tiger Woods' 10-minute cheat speech and you don't back down, it's cool. 0.99
02:15:14.000 But anyway, yeah, Tales for the Cacophony Society. 0.99
02:15:16.000 You guys look into it, man, because it's pretty cool.
02:15:18.000 And anyone can form a branch.
02:15:20.000 Anyone listening, you can start your own branch.
02:15:22.000 You could just do it, and it's really fun.
02:15:25.000 Sounds like fun.
02:15:25.000 I don't know about the Ukrainian thing, though.
02:15:27.000 Well, why?
02:15:28.000 They might have copyright on that.
02:15:29.000 What?
02:15:29.000 You might not be able to call something Ukrainian.
02:15:31.000 Well, that was our last meeting, so it doesn't matter.
02:15:33.000 Oh, okay.
02:15:33.000 Well, you've resolved your differences with the Ukraine, so we'll let it go.
02:15:37.000 Yeah, it's over.
02:15:39.000 You know, you were talking about Burning Man before the podcast.
02:15:42.000 We were on the phone and we were talking about it and I said, dude, we shouldn't even talk about it until we talk about it on the podcast.
02:15:47.000 Right.
02:15:48.000 Because you were ranting about Burning Man as if you had seen the Messiah.
02:15:52.000 Ear beating.
02:15:52.000 You found Utopia.
02:15:53.000 Yeah.
02:15:53.000 No, it wasn't an ear beating at all.
02:15:55.000 No, it was great.
02:15:56.000 Look at that picture.
02:15:58.000 That's amazing. 0.99
02:15:58.000 Isn't that fucking cool? 0.99
02:15:59.000 Right behind that is this incredible, just never-ending field of art. 0.98
02:16:10.000 And lights. 0.98
02:16:12.000 All LED lights shining on the fucking art that people are spending all year building for no other reason than to fucking bring it out there and give people just beautiful art. 0.98
02:16:26.000 I had no idea it was so lit up. 0.99
02:16:29.000 Oh my god.
02:16:30.000 The crazy thing about Burning Man is you can't...
02:16:35.000 Capture it in pictures like you've just got to go there because if you see the pictures it kind of seems ridiculous or dusty or whatever, but my god man.
02:16:44.000 We should do a documentary.
02:16:45.000 Has anybody done a documentary on Burning Man?
02:16:47.000 Yeah, yeah, there's tons of people who come there.
02:16:49.000 Right, but we should do a documentary on it.
02:16:51.000 Dude, how about this?
02:16:52.000 Like, we should take someone to Burning Man that would never go to Burning Man.
02:16:56.000 I have an idea.
02:16:57.000 Alex Jones.
02:16:57.000 You just come.
02:16:59.000 That's all.
02:16:59.000 No documentary.
02:17:00.000 You just come, and we'll spend a week having fun there.
02:17:03.000 Because, dude, here's an example. 0.99
02:17:05.000 This is one of my favorite fucking places there. 0.99
02:17:08.000 It's called... 0.99
02:17:10.000 So it's all free bars.
02:17:12.000 There's just bars.
02:17:12.000 People put up free bars.
02:17:14.000 It's free booze.
02:17:14.000 You can't buy anything there.
02:17:17.000 So one of the bars, and forgive me if I say the title wrong, because now it's a little fuzzy in my mind.
02:17:24.000 It was my favorite bar, and it was called something like the Ministry...
02:17:29.000 Of disinformation, but it's set up to look like an information booth.
02:17:33.000 And so we're riding by on these, you ride around bicycles.
02:17:35.000 My friends who have been there forever, they're like, dude, go to that bar and they'll just lie to you.
02:17:40.000 Like, that's all they do.
02:17:41.000 The bartenders just lie to you. 1.00
02:17:42.000 That's hilarious.
02:17:44.000 And you like, so like you said, and they're so good at lying to the point where, because everyone knows that they lie.
02:17:50.000 So people come there to get lied to.
02:17:52.000 And so like, you go there to get lied to, but they know everyone knows that they're lying and they lull you in to thinking they're done with the lying part, right?
02:18:00.000 So like, we're sitting there drinking, me and Cora are sitting there drinking, and like, you know, the guy's like made some pretty obvious lies and then we're drinking, he's like, hey...
02:18:09.000 So it really feels like, oh yeah, okay, now we're just talking like friends.
02:18:12.000 He's like, so hey, do you guys want to try...
02:18:16.000 Some vodka that I homebrew?
02:18:19.000 And we're like, yeah, we'd love to try some.
02:18:21.000 And so he pours it, and we drink it, and we're like, wow, this is actually really good, man.
02:18:26.000 You could probably sell this stuff.
02:18:28.000 Are you going to start selling it?
02:18:29.000 And he's like, yeah, yeah, we worked out a deal with South Korea.
02:18:34.000 You slap an American flag on anything out there, and they'll buy anything.
02:18:38.000 And we're like, wait, wait.
02:18:41.000 Wait, you're still lying to us.
02:18:42.000 Like, you didn't make this vodka.
02:18:43.000 You're just lying.
02:18:44.000 He's like, no, I'm serious.
02:18:45.000 I'm serious.
02:18:45.000 Look, look, look.
02:18:46.000 Then he pulls his phone up, and there's pictures of, like, this is the still that I used to build it. 0.97
02:18:51.000 And it's this ridiculous still that, like, definitely, definitely isn't like a fucking still. 0.83
02:18:57.000 Like something from the Dukes of Hazzard? 0.98
02:18:58.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99
02:18:59.000 And then you realize, like, oh my fucking... 1.00
02:19:01.000 And then you're like, you're still lying. 1.00
02:19:03.000 Like, you haven't been telling the truth.
02:19:04.000 And he's like, listen, man.
02:19:06.000 I'm not good at lying.
02:19:07.000 My friends do this thing.
02:19:10.000 I come here.
02:19:10.000 I'm not good at lying.
02:19:12.000 I just tell the truth when I'm up here.
02:19:13.000 I'm like, other people will lie to you here, but I definitely don't do that.
02:19:17.000 So they go deep and they commit.
02:19:19.000 But it's not malicious.
02:19:21.000 It's a very funny thing.
02:19:24.000 And that's one tiny little part of it.
02:19:28.000 Imagine that spread out Over and over and over and over again with just different types of like bars or art.
02:19:37.000 Imagine like, let's say, and you know I don't take psychedelics and if I talk about it on the podcast I do it as a joke because I want to seem cool. 0.92
02:19:45.000 But imagine if you were in the middle of the fucking desert on psychedelics that had just started kicking in.
02:19:52.000 On your bicycle, covered in LED lights, surrounded by other people and blinking LED lights on their bicycles, and you're sitting in front of what appears to be a massive brass, what is either a locust, a firefly, some kind of Grasshopper cricket sculpture on top of another cricket sculpture that has combustible gas exploding out of it. 0.96
02:20:16.000 And it's like 10 feet, 15 feet high with combustible gas exploding out of it.
02:20:22.000 So it's making this...
02:20:27.000 Elon Musk has the dopest ride there. 0.98
02:20:29.000 He's got a yacht that just goes around through fucking Burning Man. 0.97
02:20:33.000 And he has discos on it, right? 0.99
02:20:35.000 Yeah, and anyone can get on.
02:20:36.000 That's the other thing about it, man.
02:20:37.000 The idea of the thing is it's pure inclusivity.
02:20:42.000 That's the idea.
02:20:43.000 It's like, this is just everybody sharing.
02:20:45.000 There you go.
02:20:46.000 That's so crazy.
02:20:47.000 It just rides through the desert.
02:20:49.000 You climb on, they'll give you drinks, you just like chill out.
02:20:53.000 It's like the whole thing is like a gifting economy is what they call it.
02:20:57.000 So like everyone's just giving stuff to each other.
02:21:00.000 Dude, that sounds amazing.
02:21:01.000 It's the best. 0.99
02:21:02.000 It really truly is the fucking best. 0.98
02:21:03.000 Okay, so here's the question. 0.98
02:21:05.000 Can this go from here to a city?
02:21:10.000 Can you develop a city like this?
02:21:13.000 I think the answer to that is, right now, probably not.
02:21:19.000 But why not?
02:21:20.000 Because it's resource-based.
02:21:21.000 It's more like, okay, imagine a flower that once a year blooms.
02:21:26.000 Right.
02:21:26.000 So you could say that's maybe what Burning Man is.
02:21:29.000 During the year, lots of people are getting together and planning what they're going to... 0.97
02:21:36.000 I'm planning with my fucking Burning Man camp, the Enchanted Booty Forest. 0.93
02:21:41.000 We're planning our art car for next year. 0.98
02:21:45.000 And that's going to take all year to figure out what it's going to be and how to do it and how to put it together and how to get the money.
02:21:50.000 I told you, you spent too much time with Burning Man. 1.00
02:21:53.000 You've fried your fucking brain. 1.00
02:21:54.000 It's become your life now. 1.00
02:21:55.000 Every year is just downtime, downtime, downtime Burning Man.
02:21:59.000 Well, I mean, I will say, I mean, I know it truly is the most embarrassing thing.
02:22:03.000 I know I sound like that guy in that brilliant YouTube video that someone made parodying the ear beatings that Burning Man people give their friends.
02:22:10.000 Have you seen that?
02:22:11.000 No.
02:22:12.000 Oh, please pull this up.
02:22:14.000 No, we can't play it.
02:22:15.000 We'll get yanked.
02:22:16.000 Oh my god.
02:22:16.000 Look up.
02:22:16.000 So look up.
02:22:17.000 Look up the YouTube video.
02:22:19.000 So how was Burning Man? 0.97
02:22:21.000 And it's like this guy in fucking goggles and Burning Man attire being like, how was Burning Man? 0.97
02:22:27.000 You're gonna ask me, how wasn't Burning Man? 0.99
02:22:30.000 It's a better question.
02:22:31.000 It's everything.
02:22:32.000 Because you really do, like when you're there, you're like, oh my god. 1.00
02:22:37.000 Yeah, that guy just like ranting to his fucking girlfriend. 1.00
02:22:40.000 That's what you turned into. 1.00
02:22:42.000 He's got the goggles on, those dirt goggles, which I guess you have to have.
02:22:47.000 Did you wear them, like Mad Max? 0.98
02:22:48.000 Yeah, you have to wear them because they're these fucking dust storms kick up. 0.98
02:22:52.000 But I'll tell you, man... 0.99
02:22:54.000 How crazy is that?
02:22:54.000 You have to wear dust goggles.
02:22:56.000 Here's the craziest thing about it, though.
02:22:57.000 With all that being said, there's a place there called the Temple.
02:23:02.000 And a lot of these are built by like...
02:23:08.000 The temple...
02:23:09.000 I can't remember how much they said it cost to build.
02:23:11.000 It might have been like $75,000 or $750,000.
02:23:14.000 I can't remember.
02:23:16.000 It's this incredible...
02:23:17.000 You can pull it up.
02:23:18.000 Look up the Temple Burning Man 2016. Or you can look at all the different versions.
02:23:24.000 There, there, there.
02:23:24.000 That's it.
02:23:25.000 So everyone's like, go to the temple.
02:23:30.000 But it's really heavy when you go there.
02:23:32.000 So we didn't even know what they were talking about.
02:23:34.000 So you pedal in and you see people standing in front, like people seem to be crying, people are hugging each other.
02:23:41.000 Dude, you go into that thing and it's filled with pictures of people who've died That year before.
02:23:48.000 Baby clothes, pictures of dogs, pictures of like...
02:23:51.000 It's where people go to burn their...
02:23:54.000 To grieve for people who've died in their lives, man.
02:23:58.000 And so you walk into that place.
02:24:00.000 And this is in the middle of this incredible festival. 1.00
02:24:02.000 You walk into that fucking place, man, and like... 1.00
02:24:06.000 You just start crying. 1.00
02:24:08.000 People in there, because you can feel this nexus of grief bubbling up, and it's the most intense.
02:24:16.000 The only time I've ever felt that kind of energy is in a place called Varanasi in India, where they burn bodies there.
02:24:23.000 We're good to go.
02:24:50.000 Quietly as embers of all these pictures of people who've died the year before, whenever they've died, go flying through the air.
02:24:58.000 And then when it finally burns to the ground, the entire group of people, they howl like dogs.
02:25:05.000 Whoa.
02:25:06.000 Yeah, yeah, and that's the end of Burning Man. 0.99
02:25:09.000 Holy shit. 0.98
02:25:10.000 Yeah, dude. 0.99
02:25:11.000 So cool.
02:25:12.000 Well, this is growing at a staggering rate every year.
02:25:16.000 What's to stop these people from claiming a city?
02:25:19.000 Like, if everybody just decided, like, hey, let's all move to Portland.
02:25:23.000 If all those people that are Burning Man type folks just decided to try to have the same sort of impact on a community, that's not outside the realm of possibility, right?
02:25:32.000 Well, it's already happening.
02:25:33.000 Where is it happening?
02:25:34.000 Well, it's happening wherever there's people who've been influenced by that festival who come back into the world and try to not be such selfish shitheads when they're in the world, or maybe try not to waste so much stuff. 0.99
02:25:44.000 It's also happening because you realize, oh fuck, this is not only a festival, this is preparing for the fucking... 0.98
02:25:51.000 A possible economic collapse, because if we can all get together and survive in the desert, in this way, and work together, then there is a possibility. 0.99
02:25:59.000 You know, actually, I went to see Alex and Alison Gray.
02:26:01.000 They were painting at the Dr. Bronner's camp.
02:26:04.000 They were painting a mural there.
02:26:05.000 Dr. Bronner's soap?
02:26:06.000 Hemp soap?
02:26:07.000 Dr. Bronner has a camp there called...
02:26:10.000 Yeah, Dr. Bronner's soap.
02:26:12.000 They have a camp there called Re-fo-mation, right? 1.00
02:26:16.000 They basically are just hosing down all these filthy Burning Man people out in the desert to clean them up, right?
02:26:23.000 So after they hose them down, they've constructed a tent where there's a DJ playing music, and it's dripping water down, and everyone's naked, dancing.
02:26:37.000 And Alex and Alison Gray are painting this beautiful mural in that tent. 0.82
02:26:43.000 And so like, you know, Cora and I went to visit them and we walked up and like, you know, those guys are so fucking cool, man.
02:26:49.000 But then Alex like starts talking to me and he's like, you know what this is, right?
02:26:52.000 And I'm like, what do you mean?
02:26:53.000 He's like, Dr. Bronner's family was in Auschwitz where they had the showers. 0.97
02:26:59.000 And so this is the opposite of the showers at Auschwitz because it's like naked people In real showers, dancing to music in this fucking super loving environment. 0.93
02:27:13.000 So their idea was to mirror the Holocaust. 0.90
02:27:16.000 Not that you could do that, but to create a response to it that was like, here's what it could look like.
02:27:22.000 Instead of gassing people, there could be a DJ dripping...
02:27:25.000 Yeah, that's what they do.
02:27:26.000 They spray you down.
02:27:27.000 But anyway, man, yeah, like, you know, one of the things Alex Gray was saying is like, this is the seed of a global civilization.
02:27:37.000 Well, it seems to be.
02:27:39.000 It seems to be that.
02:27:40.000 Could be.
02:27:40.000 There's something going on, man.
02:27:42.000 There's a shift.
02:27:43.000 There's a consciousness shift.
02:27:45.000 I mean, there's far reaches on both sides.
02:27:47.000 I mean, there's people that are resisting it hardcore.
02:27:49.000 There's a lot of hardcore Trump fans that are resisting illegal immigrants, and they want hardcore Republican values. 0.99
02:27:59.000 There's a lot of people that are still clinging to that.
02:28:01.000 But then there's a lot of people that were going the Bernie Sanders way, too.
02:28:04.000 And there's a lot of people that are realizing why you watch these two duke it out like King Kong vs.
02:28:09.000 Godzilla.
02:28:09.000 What's interesting is the real loser Is the system itself.
02:28:13.000 Our confidence in the system.
02:28:15.000 Our confidence in the system is at an all-time low.
02:28:17.000 And people that are your age and older people, like me, I'm 49, what are you, 43 now?
02:28:23.000 42. 42?
02:28:25.000 I think I'm 42. We're like middle-aged folks, whether we like it or not.
02:28:29.000 But we grew up with no internet, and then we were exposed to the internet, and now we're seeing things like WikiLeaks. 0.88
02:28:37.000 The kids of today, they're going straight Wikilinks from fucking high school, right? 0.99
02:28:42.000 They knew about that in high school. 0.98
02:28:45.000 They watch all the videos in high school. 1.00
02:28:47.000 Those are the ones that I get the most upset about when someone posts a video about the flat earth or any kind of fucking stupid shit where you're gonna waste a lot of time paying attention to nonsense. 1.00
02:28:59.000 The world's goddamn round. 1.00
02:29:01.000 They have a lot of video of it. 0.98
02:29:03.000 You can go around it in a satellite.
02:29:05.000 You can go around in a jet. 0.99
02:29:06.000 It's not a fucking hoax. 0.99
02:29:07.000 Stop thinking about that. 0.99
02:29:09.000 It's a waste of time. 1.00
02:29:10.000 There's a lot of other shit to concentrate on. 0.99
02:29:12.000 But you'll get lost in that. 0.99
02:29:14.000 You'll get lost in that.
02:29:15.000 And that upsets me.
02:29:16.000 That pisses me off.
02:29:18.000 And I've been responsible for it myself. 0.99
02:29:20.000 I'm sure on this podcast we've said a lot of shit that turned out to not be true. 0.90
02:29:23.000 But usually our obsessions are temporary. 0.97
02:29:26.000 Hopefully.
02:29:27.000 I like what you said, that the system is kind of shortchanging itself.
02:29:30.000 It reminds me of...
02:29:32.000 I just watched, it's on Netflix now, it's Louis Theroux's Crazy Weekend, I think is what it's called, and you saw the one with Al Sharpton?
02:29:40.000 Yes.
02:29:41.000 And he's talking to Al Sharpton, and he's like, I feel like I let you down by not getting arrested.
02:29:46.000 And Al Sharpton's response was, you let yourself down by not getting arrested.
02:29:49.000 And then at the end of, oh, I don't want to do a spoiler, but spoiler.
02:29:54.000 You know what, man, now I'm thinking I didn't see that one.
02:29:57.000 I saw a bunch of them I binge watched before you came on the first time.
02:30:03.000 This episode is about black power people. 0.98
02:30:09.000 Black lives matter? 1.00
02:30:10.000 No.
02:30:11.000 Before that?
02:30:11.000 This is like Nation of Islam.
02:30:13.000 One of the guys Louis was hanging out with was a hardcore He hated white people. 1.00
02:30:20.000 White people are the devil. 1.00
02:30:21.000 You're the devil. 1.00
02:30:24.000 But he was actually really sweet at the same time. 1.00
02:30:26.000 He's really smart.
02:30:28.000 This is a guy, I can't remember his name, Dr. Khalid.
02:30:32.000 He actually...
02:30:35.000 I looked him up because I was really wanting to follow him on Twitter, but he died of an aneurysm. 0.97
02:30:40.000 But, whoa, what a crazy, hardcore, charismatic guy who wants the United States to give back a swath of land to black people so that they can go live there. 1.00
02:30:51.000 But, you know, Louis Theroux is such a likable guy. 0.95
02:30:54.000 That you could see that they were both kind of liking each other when they weren't, you know what I mean?
02:30:58.000 And it was really sweet to watch and really cool. 0.76
02:31:01.000 But you could also see that he was being moved by recognizing how much a lot of these people have gone through and how fucked up it could be. 0.99
02:31:09.000 And this is before any of this shit happened with the recent police shootings. 0.99
02:31:12.000 This was another police shooting in 2001. And they were going to go march about... 0.99
02:31:18.000 And Sharpton was going to get arrested.
02:31:20.000 But then...
02:31:20.000 So anyway, like...
02:31:22.000 Yeah, Sharpton was like, you let yourself down by not being part of this, by not getting arrested.
02:31:28.000 It's true, man. 0.97
02:31:29.000 While these people are up there fighting like those fucking goddamn cats that the crow lured into a fight, while they're up there debating and fighting and our eyes are fixated on that, we can easily lose track of all the stuff that we have definite control over, 1.00
02:31:47.000 which is we don't need to be so selfish. 0.99
02:31:51.000 You don't need to be so selfish, and if you start experimenting with giving stuff away, because you guaranteed, man, there is stuff that you have that you don't need, you literally don't need, like in your garage, that you covet, kind of, like there's shit you covet that you don't need, 0.98
02:32:07.000 you're not going to use, or you have like a hoarder mentality where you're like, well, I might sell it one day, or who knows, I'm going to definitely need this vibrating bed one day, or whatever the fucking thing is that you have. 0.97
02:32:17.000 You don't need it. 0.95
02:32:18.000 So you could do an experiment where you try to give it away.
02:32:21.000 Not to a charity or foundation, but you figure out someone in your community who maybe needs that thing for real.
02:32:29.000 Like someone who could actually use it.
02:32:30.000 It doesn't have to be some lofty thing either. 0.98
02:32:32.000 Maybe you got like an old fucking Xbox in your garage and your friend doesn't have an Xbox. 0.97
02:32:37.000 Give your friend the Xbox, just for fun. 0.99
02:32:40.000 You could do these little experiments and when you do it, Wow.
02:32:44.000 It feels good. 1.00
02:32:45.000 It like is a really great feeling to start offloading shit you don't need into the community of friends and family and people around you who are fucking... 0.99
02:32:54.000 Some people really need stuff, man. 0.99
02:32:56.000 And like it won't hurt you at all.
02:32:58.000 And so that to me is like when you talk about, well, can we...
02:33:02.000 Could Burning Man turn into a civilization?
02:33:05.000 I don't know.
02:33:06.000 Probably not.
02:33:07.000 Like you know who...
02:33:09.000 Well, I won't say who it is, but one of my friends was out there and he works out there.
02:33:13.000 And I'm like, not high on psychedelics, but I'm looking around and I know he's been going there for a long time.
02:33:20.000 And I'm like, could this become society?
02:33:23.000 And he's like, no.
02:33:24.000 He's like, if these people were out here for more than four weeks, they'd start killing each other.
02:33:30.000 He's probably right.
02:33:31.000 We're not ready for that yet.
02:33:33.000 We're ready for a couple weeks at a time.
02:33:34.000 A couple weeks at a time.
02:33:36.000 It's only 52 in a year.
02:33:38.000 Yeah.
02:33:39.000 And in the meantime, you can actually just kind of start experimenting with not being selfish.
02:33:46.000 Or how about instead of looking at it as a negative, just experiment with being generous.
02:33:51.000 Ah, there you go.
02:33:52.000 So think of generosity as the ability to drop little love bombs.
02:33:56.000 That's how I've always tried to approach it.
02:33:59.000 I've seen you do it, man. 0.99
02:34:00.000 Those aren't little fucking love bombs you leave. 1.00
02:34:02.000 I've seen some fucking weeping waitresses when I turn back to look as you're walking away, man. 1.00
02:34:11.000 And that thing that you're doing there... 0.99
02:34:16.000 That thing that you're doing, that's it.
02:34:19.000 That thing, everyone can do that.
02:34:21.000 You don't have to be the host of the UFC to be able to...
02:34:24.000 God forgive me. 0.99
02:34:28.000 I tried to explain this to someone who was saying that it was a stupid thing to do. 0.95
02:34:32.000 I was like, you have to think of... 0.92
02:34:35.000 They were saying that they're going to expect it Every time a rich person goes there, they're going to expect larger tips, and it's really not proportionate to the service they've given you.
02:34:45.000 But you make someone happy.
02:34:46.000 You make someone happy, and you don't feel the difference. 0.94
02:34:49.000 The difference between you leaving one number on a check for a tip, and they go, oh, that was a good tip, or another one, and they go, holy shit, now they feel really good, like they just got a gift. 0.82
02:35:00.000 That's what the tip thing is. 0.78
02:35:02.000 The tip thing's a gift.
02:35:03.000 That's it.
02:35:04.000 It's a gift.
02:35:05.000 It's one of the rare things that we have in our culture where you could express gratitude in a numerical amount.
02:35:12.000 I mean, I'm not saying that's the only way to express gratitude because, of course, there's a way to express it with your words and your love and all that good stuff, but you can express gratitude in a tip form where there's a number you can attach to it. 0.98
02:35:24.000 If the bill is 50 bucks and you leave 50 bucks, people go, holy shit!
02:35:31.000 To a lot of people, the difference between $100 in your bank and $50 in your bank, you're probably not going to feel that. 0.96
02:35:39.000 For some people, you will.
02:35:40.000 Some people, you will.
02:35:42.000 If you can do it.
02:35:43.000 I went to visit my dad in Florida.
02:35:46.000 My girlfriend and I, we went to this arcade that gives out tickets.
02:35:51.000 One of those arcades that dispenses tickets.
02:35:54.000 You know what I'm talking about?
02:35:55.000 Uh-huh. 1.00
02:35:56.000 You play fucking skee-ball or whatever. 1.00
02:35:58.000 It's like a casino for babies, right? 1.00
02:36:01.000 So it prints these fucking tickets out. 1.00
02:36:03.000 You take the tickets to the counter, and you get a piece of shit thing that you'll never use. 1.00
02:36:08.000 Like a nasty... 0.99
02:36:10.000 Bear made of Chinese asbestos or something, you know? 0.99
02:36:14.000 So the exchange is dumb anyway. 0.99
02:36:17.000 So these tickets, we ended up accruing this massive pile of fucking tickets, right? 0.99
02:36:22.000 And so we're standing there looking at this junk, and then I look down, and I'm sure other people out there have done this. 0.97
02:36:27.000 There's a kid who's got a tiny little bit of tickets, and he's looking at the candy, the little bit of tickets, and I'm like, hey kid, take this! 0.99
02:36:36.000 Gave him this huge fucking stack of tickets. 0.96
02:36:39.000 Dude, the look on that kid's face. 0.99
02:36:41.000 And him and his brother are like, oh my god! 1.00
02:36:46.000 That, you know, that look is way more valuable than any kind of piece of shit behind the counter, right? 1.00
02:36:53.000 Of course. 1.00
02:36:54.000 That is the essence of it, man.
02:36:56.000 It's like, when you drop these love bombs off, this is not a one-sided thing.
02:37:02.000 You're walking away feeling really good, because you know what?
02:37:06.000 You just did.
02:37:06.000 You impacted a person's week.
02:37:10.000 This person might not have money to get their kids fucking groceries that week, man. 0.99
02:37:14.000 Now they do. 0.99
02:37:15.000 They might not have been able to make rent.
02:37:17.000 Now they can.
02:37:19.000 You're walking away having created that shift in a person's universe.
02:37:23.000 As temporary as it may be, it's still a shift in the direction of the positive, right?
02:37:27.000 So what you've done there, as far as I'm concerned, is a kind of magical act, a kind of miracle.
02:37:33.000 And anyone can do this, man. 0.86
02:37:37.000 Dude, there were people who would go around with spray bottles and just spray your sunglasses off for you, which out in the desert is really important because all the sand gets caught in there and you can't fucking see.
02:37:48.000 That's what they had to give. 0.95
02:37:50.000 It was just helping you in that way, but just that was still fucking cool, man. 0.96
02:37:55.000 Right. 0.55
02:37:56.000 They're giving a service to people and they don't expect anything out of it.
02:37:59.000 That's it.
02:38:00.000 They're just doing it for love.
02:38:01.000 You can do, anyone can do that.
02:38:03.000 There is definitely something you can do that you're not doing, and you're not doing it not because you're selfish, you're not doing it just because you haven't even realized you can do it. 0.99
02:38:13.000 It's like having a superpower that you're not aware of, which is like, fuck, just give something away. 0.98
02:38:18.000 Like, just give something away. 1.00
02:38:20.000 You don't need that shit. 1.00
02:38:21.000 Whatever it is, just give the fucking thing away. 1.00
02:38:23.000 Super hippie. 1.00
02:38:25.000 Hello!
02:38:27.000 Duncan Trussell.
02:38:29.000 Yeah.
02:38:30.000 You're the anti-Trump.
02:38:32.000 When are you going to run for president, Duncan?
02:38:33.000 When are you going to run?
02:38:34.000 Why don't you do it?
02:38:36.000 Why don't you do it?
02:38:37.000 Never ask a question or answer a question with a question.
02:38:39.000 That's rude.
02:38:40.000 That's a poor taste.
02:38:41.000 Well, I'll tell you, man.
02:38:43.000 My hope is that you and I will run.
02:38:47.000 No, no, no.
02:38:48.000 I'm just kidding.
02:38:49.000 Move.
02:38:49.000 We've got to get out of here before it blows up.
02:38:51.000 Get out of here! 0.99
02:38:51.000 Maybe Hawaii. 0.99
02:38:53.000 Hawaii's going to blow up!
02:38:55.000 No, no, no, no, no.
02:38:56.000 Hawaii's going to be fine.
02:38:58.000 This thing, this...
02:38:59.000 America.
02:39:00.000 You think it'll collapse?
02:39:01.000 You think Putin's gonna get us?
02:39:02.000 I don't know if this is gonna work, dude.
02:39:05.000 I'm looking at this election, I'm like, this thing is just...
02:39:08.000 it's too volatile. 1.00
02:39:09.000 Good, let it fucking collapse! 1.00
02:39:12.000 What have you said? 1.00
02:39:13.000 If it fucking collapses... 0.99
02:39:15.000 What about the children? 1.00
02:39:16.000 The people are gonna be...
02:39:17.000 What about the infrastructure?
02:39:18.000 You know, I just had this conversation with Chris Ryan on my podcast.
02:39:23.000 We've got to do a shrimp parade soon. 1.00
02:39:25.000 And he said that he was talking about post, you know, after disasters.
02:39:32.000 Everybody gives to each other and people are very kind.
02:39:35.000 So if there was some kind of economic collapse, some calamity or something, then I think what people would suddenly realize is like what would happen is the pendulum that swings in front of the eyes of the sum total of all people in this country and convinces us of the importance of this small group of Secretive people. 0.89
02:39:55.000 Maybe for a second that thing stops swinging and we like look away from it and look at each other and we realize like, oh shit, we've got each other.
02:40:06.000 We're gonna be okay. 1.00
02:40:07.000 The fantasy of the fucking people like Grab your guns! 1.00
02:40:11.000 Go rob the rich people! 1.00
02:40:13.000 All that stuff.
02:40:15.000 The idea that it's gonna be some kind of like the LA riots times a million.
02:40:19.000 You're always like, oh no, that's not what it's like at all.
02:40:23.000 It's like we can help each other together.
02:40:25.000 I can help you.
02:40:27.000 You can help me.
02:40:27.000 We didn't need them as much as we thought we did.
02:40:30.000 Maybe we didn't need them at all. 1.00
02:40:31.000 We've got the fucking roads. 0.99
02:40:33.000 There's people who know how to fix roads. 0.99
02:40:35.000 I know how to do stuff.
02:40:36.000 You know how to do You're such a super hippie. 1.00
02:40:38.000 We need the fucking system, goddammit. 1.00
02:40:39.000 We need trucks to bring in vegetables. 1.00
02:40:41.000 We need a sewage system that works. 0.95
02:40:43.000 We need power.
02:40:44.000 We need direct TV. I need programs.
02:40:46.000 Programs?
02:40:47.000 I need to watch my programs. 1.00
02:40:49.000 I need my fucking Westworld. 1.00
02:40:50.000 I need a refrigerator that works, goddammit. 1.00
02:40:53.000 I do need Westworld. 0.90
02:40:55.000 I need a hospital that's clean.
02:40:57.000 Yeah?
02:40:57.000 You do need that, but guess what?
02:40:58.000 It could still happen.
02:41:00.000 It could still happen.
02:41:02.000 It can really happen, I think.
02:41:03.000 You're such a hippie.
02:41:04.000 There's no hospitals in that Burning Man.
02:41:06.000 There's just goggles and goggle cleaners.
02:41:08.000 Actually, they do have a full hospital at Burning Man. 0.99
02:41:11.000 I didn't go visit it, but they say they have an urgent care medical facility there that's really nice, and they fucking need it, too, because you think I'm a fucking super hippie, man. 0.96
02:41:21.000 Do you think they have a checkbox, like, do you have an injury, or are you freaking out, man? 0.98
02:41:25.000 I'm freaking out, man!
02:41:26.000 But no, that's the Zendo project that MAPS is doing.
02:41:29.000 So one of the cool things that Doblin is doing is they have a thing called Zendo, which is, it's called Psychedelic Harm Reduction.
02:41:38.000 And so they create, like in the Port of Johns at Burning Man, there are these signs that they put up that say...
02:41:45.000 Night a little weirder than you expected.
02:41:49.000 Come here.
02:41:50.000 And so you go to this place and it's like, dude, you gotta have this guy on your podcast.
02:41:56.000 His name's Dr. Cole Marta.
02:41:58.000 He's a psychiatrist.
02:41:59.000 He's one of the people involved in the MDMA for PTSD. We're good to go.
02:42:21.000 And you're like, am I going to get fucking arrested? 0.99
02:42:23.000 And they're like, no, man. 0.99
02:42:25.000 Just sit down and relax.
02:42:27.000 And these are trained.
02:42:28.000 This guy, Cole Marta, man, they're smart, trained clinicians.
02:42:33.000 And if they're not clinicians, they're people who have been through this program who just sit with you and let you freak out without judging you and just sit with you and let you relax until you're having an okay time again.
02:42:44.000 And then they let you go back. 0.99
02:42:46.000 So instead of losing your shit and getting arrested or losing your shit and being around your friends who are like, what the fuck's wrong with you, man? 0.99
02:42:54.000 You get to be around really smart, trained people who know how to not just Help you relax, but help you use this event to like transform your life. 1.00
02:43:07.000 Because a lot of times a bad trip is like a transformative moment for someone if they're around the right people.
02:43:13.000 That's amazing.
02:43:14.000 Yeah.
02:43:15.000 Maps is incredible.
02:43:16.000 I know, man.
02:43:17.000 They've done so much cool shit, and Rick Doblin, just such an interesting guy. 0.97
02:43:21.000 I've had him on twice. 0.88
02:43:23.000 Had a chance to talk to him on the podcast twice.
02:43:25.000 He's such a fascinating dude.
02:43:27.000 He's a warrior, man. 0.94
02:43:28.000 When you look at the, how much, he spent his entire life, like, you know, we sit here, And we fucking rail against the system and ah marijuana and like ah! 0.78
02:43:40.000 But Doblin, man, he's like on the front lines.
02:43:43.000 Like this guy is like deeply, deeply involved in this.
02:43:48.000 He's doing it the right way.
02:43:48.000 Yeah.
02:43:49.000 He's doing it through the system.
02:43:50.000 Yeah.
02:43:51.000 Yeah.
02:43:51.000 It's cool.
02:43:52.000 It is cool.
02:44:21.000 Phase 3 of clinical trials, which never happens, like with a Schedule 1 substance, that theoretically could like...
02:44:32.000 The results that they're getting are very good, but if...
02:44:36.000 People who have PTSD, if they go to the doctor, the doctor will be like, well, I'll prescribe Xanax, and maybe they'll give you cognitive behavior therapy or something.
02:44:46.000 But the idea that there might be a way to give someone...
02:44:50.000 MDMA. MDMA mixed in with a specific type of therapy, and that that could actually...
02:44:59.000 I don't want to say cure, but...
02:45:01.000 Reset their mind.
02:45:02.000 Yes!
02:45:02.000 Yeah.
02:45:03.000 To lift the weight of this horror off of them, or at least to allow it to, like...
02:45:09.000 Doblin explained why he thinks it works.
02:45:11.000 I'm not going to try to repeat it, but the idea that this could work for real is just the most incredible thing, man.
02:45:17.000 That guy would...
02:45:18.000 He should get a Nobel Prize.
02:45:20.000 I think he did explain it on this podcast, didn't he?
02:45:23.000 Do you remember, Jamie?
02:45:24.000 I don't remember either.
02:45:25.000 I feel like he did, though.
02:45:27.000 I feel like he explained how it works.
02:45:30.000 Apparently it's something to do with short-term, long-term memory.
02:45:33.000 So when you have a traumatic event, it gets stuck in short-term memory.
02:45:37.000 Somehow it's looping there.
02:45:38.000 It's not getting filed away in the right way.
02:45:41.000 God forgive me, everyone listening, Doblin, Colmar, whoever I'm ruining this in front of.
02:45:45.000 But apparently something about...
02:45:50.000 Revisiting the experience under the influence of MDMA causes it to somehow be refiled in the right part of your brain again, so it's not sticking out in the forefront of your experiences.
02:46:02.000 So it's not like the thing isn't always there like a flashbulb light or something.
02:46:07.000 Isn't it another thing that's infuriating?
02:46:09.000 I mean, that's almost to me as infuriating as Teenagers getting hooked on flat earth videos.
02:46:15.000 It's more infuriating even that this has always been there.
02:46:18.000 This has always been there.
02:46:19.000 This has always been there and they made it illegal and all these people that suffered could have could have gotten relief through this a long time ago.
02:46:28.000 That's right.
02:46:28.000 A long time ago.
02:46:29.000 I know, man.
02:46:30.000 If they just recognized this early on and been super objective about it, look, we clearly have an issue with PTSD and soldiers and policemen and people that have gone through domestic abuse.
02:46:39.000 There's a lot of people with PTSD. This can literally change the course of our nation.
02:46:45.000 But to keep up the fucking DEA's corrupt system, to keep up this nasty business of arresting people for the wrong kind of drugs while they're selling drugs everywhere you look, to keep up that system, they literally stopped something that would have helped everybody. 0.98
02:47:01.000 Man, can I just... 0.99
02:47:02.000 I mean, I don't work for MAPS. I have no reason.
02:47:04.000 Can I do a plug for them real quick?
02:47:06.000 So, guys, if you actually want to chip in to something super fucking cool, go to the MAPS website.
02:47:12.000 Right now, they are raising money because Doblin has got a manufacturer.
02:47:16.000 I can't remember.
02:47:17.000 Something like five kilograms of MDMA for the Phase 3 trial.
02:47:21.000 So you can go to MAPS and actually chip in.
02:47:25.000 To buy ecstasy.
02:47:26.000 To get ecstasy, to get MDMA to vets, who are people with PTSD. And it's a really cool thing if you want to chip in money for it.
02:47:34.000 It's super fucking cool.
02:47:36.000 How often do you get a chance to buy MDMA for people with PTSD? That's amazing. 0.97
02:47:42.000 Yeah, it's cool!
02:47:43.000 That's amazing. 0.69
02:47:44.000 Yeah, it's really fucking cool, man. 0.91
02:47:47.000 MAPS is incredible. 0.85
02:47:48.000 They have a supply of old MDMA, and I think it's like they can't use anymore.
02:47:52.000 Look at that.
02:47:52.000 They've already raised $148,000.
02:47:55.000 Yeah, but they need $400,000 for 5 kilograms of MDMA. Well, let's see what we can do.
02:48:02.000 See if we can get some donations going.
02:48:04.000 Maps.org.
02:48:05.000 This is my kind of telethon.
02:48:07.000 Come on, guys.
02:48:08.000 Come on, folks.
02:48:08.000 Let's raise money for MDMA. We're going to be like those annoying people on public radio.
02:48:11.000 I was listening to this McKenna interview once, and he was on public radio.
02:48:15.000 It was a recording of him on public radio, and it was so annoying.
02:48:19.000 It was like, if you enjoy this program, please donate. 0.78
02:48:22.000 They have that weird way of talking where it's just as gross as a strip club DJ. You know what I mean?
02:48:27.000 It's like, there's a way of talking when you're talking about public radio.
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02:48:45.000 It's the Portlandia affectation.
02:48:48.000 No, it's national public radio speak.
02:48:51.000 It's, I am a super sensitive guy.
02:48:54.000 I am a liberal.
02:48:55.000 I am absolutely left.
02:48:57.000 I lean left.
02:48:58.000 That was what that guy in Canada used to talk about. 0.99
02:49:02.000 The guy who was accused of beating the fuck out of these girls that he was having sex with. 0.99
02:49:05.000 Remember that guy? 0.99
02:49:06.000 John Gomeschi.
02:49:08.000 I don't remember. 0.99
02:49:09.000 They kicked him off the radio show because all these women were claiming that they had sex with him and he would beat them up and shit. 0.99
02:49:15.000 Oh, yes! 1.00
02:49:16.000 I do!
02:49:17.000 Yes!
02:49:17.000 He would talk like this.
02:49:18.000 Hello.
02:49:19.000 Welcome to the show.
02:49:21.000 I gotta go take a leak.
02:49:22.000 I'm sorry.
02:49:23.000 Please go urinate.
02:49:24.000 It's fine.
02:49:25.000 Thank you.
02:49:25.000 There's no judgment.
02:49:26.000 I have to go urinate.
02:49:26.000 There's no judgment.
02:49:27.000 There's no judgment.
02:49:29.000 Everything's cool.
02:49:29.000 No judgment.
02:49:30.000 No judgment here.
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02:49:49.000 Which is our new piece that we're working on.
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02:49:56.000 It's Duncan Trussell and Brendan Walsh.
02:49:57.000 They have a piece they're putting together for us.
02:50:01.000 Duncan's become a super hippie, have you noticed?
02:50:04.000 Something's different.
02:50:06.000 Burning Man?
02:50:06.000 Yeah, they got them.
02:50:07.000 I found a hospital they have there.
02:50:09.000 This is from 2014, but they have 300 employees in a hospital that has 52 beds.
02:50:15.000 Wow.
02:50:16.000 So it's at an actual hospital.
02:50:18.000 Humboldt General Hospital employees come and help people.
02:50:20.000 They have tickets for Burning Man too, right?
02:50:22.000 Yeah, I think you have to buy them now.
02:50:24.000 Doesn't that sound crazy?
02:50:25.000 That seems like it doesn't make any sense, but this is the only way to keep people from overwhelming the place?
02:50:30.000 Because if you have tickets, that means you can only sell a certain amount of tickets.
02:50:35.000 It means Burning Man sells out, right?
02:50:37.000 Yeah, well, this service here, the hospital, was paid for by the Burning Man organization.
02:50:44.000 It cost $455,000 for that year.
02:50:47.000 Oh my god!
02:50:48.000 That's insane.
02:50:49.000 So that's where that money comes from.
02:50:50.000 Oh, so that's where the tickets go.
02:50:50.000 Oh, that makes sense.
02:50:52.000 They show on their website where it all goes.
02:50:53.000 What doesn't make sense, though, is limiting the number.
02:50:56.000 Doesn't that seem illogical?
02:50:58.000 Well, yeah. 0.99
02:50:59.000 I mean, if they allowed 150,000 people in, like, that hospital now is fucked. 0.95
02:51:04.000 Right, but they would just have to ramp it up based on how many people buy tickets. 0.85
02:51:08.000 As long as you just keep having tickets, then you'll have more money to spend on more hospitals, and you would just sort of plan it accordingly.
02:51:15.000 But maybe they're trying to slowly develop it, where they don't want it to get completely chaotic and out of control, which is what it definitely would do if they had no restrictions whatsoever.
02:51:26.000 Duncan, while you were urinating, we were talking about the restrictions on the population at Burning Man, and I found that to be a little bit odd.
02:51:32.000 Makes sense that they're selling tickets to it, because we found out how much it cost for the hospital.
02:51:38.000 $425,000 for a year or something.
02:51:40.000 Is that what it was?
02:51:41.000 $455,000.
02:51:42.000 $455,000.
02:51:43.000 But why wouldn't they just allow more people to buy tickets?
02:51:47.000 Why wouldn't they just keep selling tickets?
02:51:49.000 Why would it get to a number?
02:51:50.000 My guess would be that they have to work out deals with Gerlach and the surrounding areas.
02:51:57.000 What's Gerlach? 0.56
02:51:58.000 Gurlach's the town right before you get to fucking Burning Man that once a year just gets swamped in this huge influx of dough. 0.57
02:52:07.000 Yeah, there it is. 0.88
02:52:08.000 The Bureau of Land Management. 0.99
02:52:10.000 Oh, Bureau of Land Management is the same thing that manages public land for hiking and fishing and rafting and that kind of shit. 0.99
02:52:21.000 Yeah. 0.77
02:52:22.000 So basically, if you look at that, you could see that because they have given them this...
02:52:26.000 Basically, it's a shakedown, right?
02:52:28.000 So if you want to do this festival, you are paying us.
02:52:32.000 Well, would you say that it's a shakedown or they want to control the population because they didn't want it getting out of control?
02:52:38.000 The Bureau of Land Management has a reasonable concern that it could get completely overrun with hippies, and it would be massive chaos. 1.00
02:52:49.000 There's definitely a reasonable concern, and there's also some maybe, I don't know, perhaps there could be maybe some profiteering happening.
02:52:59.000 But here's my question.
02:53:00.000 Why wouldn't they make more money by allowing more people in?
02:53:03.000 I don't know the answer. 0.99
02:53:03.000 If they really wanted to profiteer, the move is to just say, open the fucking numbers. 0.99
02:53:07.000 I don't think Burning Man's profiteering. 0.99
02:53:09.000 No, I'm not saying Burning Man.
02:53:10.000 You're saying Bureau of Land Management, right?
02:53:11.000 Yeah.
02:53:12.000 Yeah, why wouldn't they just open it up?
02:53:14.000 $81 million.
02:53:15.000 Oh my God.
02:53:17.000 Look at that.
02:53:18.000 Burning Man's expenses, oh, $30.
02:53:21.000 Yeah.
02:53:22.000 $30,185,000.
02:53:25.000 Burning Man was once a scrappy little desert gathering.
02:53:29.000 It's become a multifaceted professional operation.
02:53:31.000 Today, the Burning Man Project produces the nation's largest permanent event on public land and supports an extensive global network of events, artists, and civic initiatives.
02:53:43.000 Man, I can't believe he had so much money.
02:53:47.000 Do you want to hear something even...
02:53:48.000 $30,185,000.
02:53:50.000 What's crazy about it is, when you look down, there's no trash on the ground.
02:53:55.000 Yeah.
02:53:56.000 That's what's really nuts about it.
02:53:57.000 What do they call it?
02:53:58.000 Matter out of place.
02:53:59.000 Yeah.
02:54:00.000 Moop.
02:54:00.000 Moop.
02:54:01.000 So what they do after the festival, they will go from camp to camp looking for where the trash is, and if they find any trash, if someone's, let's say, broken a bottle or something, right? 0.94
02:54:14.000 They will bring like a team of 11 people in to sift through the sand to get every single bit of glass out of the fucking sand so that it goes back to being just what it was before. 0.91
02:54:26.000 Whoa. 0.99
02:54:27.000 An alkaline desert.
02:54:29.000 And that comes from the cacophonist because one of the cacophonist sayings is leave no trace.
02:54:35.000 So the idea is like they go to a place, do their insane thing, and then leave and it's like they were never there before.
02:54:41.000 Wow.
02:54:41.000 Which is pretty trippy to take.
02:54:43.000 Dude, that's so Yeah, it's so badass.
02:54:45.000 That's amazing.
02:54:46.000 It's so cool.
02:54:47.000 It makes you wonder, like, this didn't exist 30, 40 years ago.
02:54:50.000 Like, what's it going to be like 30, 40 years from now?
02:54:52.000 I don't know.
02:54:54.000 It's hard to say.
02:54:55.000 When people give up the ideas that have sort of imprisoned each generation about keeping up with the Joneses and about belonging to the right country club and about all the things that people strive for.
02:55:10.000 Moving up the corporate ladder, you know, all that stuff. 0.67
02:55:14.000 And clinking glasses, like you're in a fucking Leonardo DiCaprio movie before it takes a turn for the worst. 0.99
02:55:19.000 Right? 0.99
02:55:21.000 I mean, that's literally what it is before it all starts getting crazy.
02:55:26.000 You're clinking glasses.
02:55:28.000 That's what everybody's hoping for.
02:55:32.000 Yeah, well, you know, we're evolving.
02:55:36.000 Everybody's evolving.
02:55:37.000 And we're learning a lot of stuff right now.
02:55:40.000 And, like, you know, we're learning a lot of stuff.
02:55:43.000 And part of, I think, hopefully what we're learning is that...
02:55:46.000 Certain things cannot be commodified that there's no way to really put a price on certain things and You know a lot of people there it's not like they're against money or against people making money or anything like that ideas is like Make money spend the whole year making money,
02:56:05.000 but then let's fucking ignite it in the form of your Amazing sculpture that you brought out into the desert. 0.85
02:56:11.000 The other cool thing is dude when you're looking at these sculptures and You don't see, like, a plaque that's like, this was made by Tim French! 0.96
02:56:20.000 Follow me, at Tim French!
02:56:23.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
02:56:24.000 No one's signing their fucking work. 0.99
02:56:27.000 So, like, you're out there and it's like, you're standing underneath some alchemical, like, spherical laser globe that's spinning in a way that the lights make it look like the ground you're standing on is, like, rotating and shifting. 0.99
02:56:42.000 Who made that?
02:56:43.000 Why did they make that?
02:56:44.000 How did they get it out in the desert?
02:56:46.000 How are they fueling this? 0.99
02:56:47.000 What the fuck is this? 0.98
02:56:50.000 There's Tesla coils everywhere out there. 1.00
02:56:52.000 Tesla coils sparking in the fucking middle of the desert. 0.98
02:56:56.000 Someone got a Tesla coil out to burn it. 0.98
02:57:00.000 When you consider getting a Tesla coil into the middle of the fucking desert and then setting it up so it works, I think they have videos of it if you look it up. 0.95
02:57:08.000 It's pretty cool looking, man. 0.98
02:57:10.000 That! 0.99
02:57:10.000 That's just sitting out there! 0.99
02:57:12.000 That's amazing.
02:57:13.000 Yeah.
02:57:14.000 That's amazing. 0.99
02:57:15.000 Just one, just one thing, or like dick slides. 0.99
02:57:19.000 What is that giant thing, that guy next to the Tesla coil? 0.92
02:57:21.000 I don't know, I didn't see that.
02:57:23.000 Who knows?
02:57:23.000 He has floating eyes, and what's in his hands?
02:57:25.000 I don't know, didn't see it. 1.00
02:57:27.000 They have dick slides, they have like these slides shaped like dicks that you can ride through like your sperm getting shot into a pussy. 1.00
02:57:35.000 Wow, what a fucking trippy festival. 1.00
02:57:37.000 It's the coolest thing ever, man. 1.00
02:57:39.000 They have an entire spectrum of just insanity out there.
02:57:42.000 That thing.
02:57:43.000 Wow. 1.00
02:57:44.000 Fuck, look at that. 1.00
02:57:45.000 It's pretty amazing. 1.00
02:57:46.000 Look up the catacombs.
02:57:48.000 Look up the catacombs.
02:57:49.000 These guys made these crazy pyramids out there.
02:57:51.000 The catacombs, 2016 Burning Man.
02:57:55.000 You should look up, like, the burning...
02:57:56.000 Oh, you're not allowed to show it.
02:57:58.000 Well, you could show it, but you...
02:57:59.000 Show what?
02:57:59.000 So these guys made these, like...
02:58:01.000 Look at that.
02:58:02.000 Whoa! 0.71
02:58:03.000 What is that? 1.00
02:58:04.000 They made these fucking pyramids out there, man. 1.00
02:58:07.000 I don't think... 1.00
02:58:07.000 I think that's a drawing. 1.00
02:58:08.000 Like...
02:58:09.000 Yeah, there it is.
02:58:10.000 Like, with wood!
02:58:11.000 There it is.
02:58:12.000 Yeah.
02:58:13.000 Yeah.
02:58:14.000 And they do this during the time that they're there, and then they burn it.
02:58:17.000 They come in early.
02:58:18.000 So they come in like three weeks early.
02:58:21.000 I'm not sure the exact amount of time. 0.99
02:58:23.000 They construct this thing and then they just fucking burn it. 0.98
02:58:26.000 They burn those things in the morning at like 6 a.m. 0.99
02:58:29.000 Dude.
02:58:30.000 Yeah.
02:58:31.000 You could see.
02:58:31.000 Look at the dust devils that kicked up next to it.
02:58:34.000 Like, yeah.
02:58:36.000 Whoa, the dust devils are incredible.
02:58:38.000 Yeah.
02:58:39.000 That's wild, man.
02:58:40.000 The little dust tornadoes just roam through the camps.
02:58:42.000 Yeah.
02:58:43.000 Oh, dude, when these dust storms kick up, it's the most beautiful, insane thing.
02:58:47.000 It's just all of a sudden out of the blue, everything goes from being completely clear to just being completely obscured with this very fine dust, which is why everyone's got LED lights on, because the lights glow through the dust so that you don't run into somebody.
02:59:00.000 Yeah.
02:59:01.000 Whoa! 0.71
02:59:04.000 What a weird choice, though.
02:59:06.000 Why wouldn't they choose to do it somewhere where it's, like, nice? 0.99
02:59:09.000 Well, I think the statement they're making is, we can do this in the middle of fucking death. 0.98
02:59:13.000 Think of what we can do everywhere else. 0.99
02:59:16.000 Do you think they did that on purpose?
02:59:17.000 No, I think it evolved.
02:59:19.000 I think that originally the idea was the cacophonists had this idea of what's called the zone trip, which is that if you take a group of people and bring them out of their natural habitat, then something kind of magical happens.
02:59:33.000 And so there's a story of how the first time they went out there, they drew like a line in the sand and they were like, everything After this line is the zone and like that's when that was the first Burning Man is it just was like they just picked a desolate place so they wouldn't get bothered by people because what was happening is I can't remember his name.
02:59:54.000 I think it's Larry.
02:59:55.000 Will you look up Larry, Burning Man Larry?
02:59:57.000 I can't remember his last name, really.
02:59:59.000 What?
02:59:59.000 Larry Harvey.
03:00:01.000 So what was happening is Larry Harvey was going to the beach.
03:00:04.000 He went to the beach and they just burnt this like effigy of a man, right?
03:00:09.000 They just ignited this effigy at the beach and Larry Harvey Won't say why they did it.
03:00:14.000 It's really cool.
03:00:15.000 Everybody wants to know, like, well, what was the reason behind it?
03:00:18.000 So, like, they just went and burnt this effigy out there, and then they were doing it, like, I think a few years in a row, and it kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and then somehow the Cacophony Society got involved, because it got so big one year, the cops wouldn't let them burn it,
03:00:34.000 and so then they were, like, they ended up scheduling a cacophonist event, I've got the flyer on my phone.
03:00:42.000 It's like the Burning of the Man in the Black Rock Desert.
03:00:45.000 And so they redid that event and took the Burning Man out there.
03:00:51.000 That was the first Burning Man.
03:00:52.000 And then they started doing it every year, just like they were doing it at the beach in San Francisco.
03:00:56.000 But it kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
03:00:59.000 And then it became like a...
03:01:01.000 It was a cacophonist event, basically, that spun out of control.
03:01:06.000 And now it's turned into this...
03:01:07.000 I think what is one of the largest festivals on earth.
03:01:10.000 When is it?
03:01:11.000 When does it take place?
03:01:12.000 Labor Day weekend.
03:01:13.000 What's that?
03:01:14.000 I'm not sure.
03:01:15.000 Like the first week in September, last week in August, somewhere in the summer.
03:01:20.000 So it just ended.
03:01:20.000 So it just ended a few weeks ago.
03:01:22.000 Well, you can look it up.
03:01:23.000 I'm not sure the date.
03:01:24.000 I could be totally off on that.
03:01:25.000 I don't know.
03:01:26.000 Well, either way, it doesn't matter.
03:01:28.000 Sounds crazy.
03:01:30.000 Sounds amazing.
03:01:31.000 Yeah, yeah.
03:01:31.000 It's pretty incredible, man.
03:01:33.000 It's pretty cool.
03:01:34.000 You got to go, man.
03:01:34.000 Go next year.
03:01:35.000 I feel like maybe I do have to go.
03:01:37.000 But when you go, you got to do it right, man.
03:01:38.000 Because the problem is a lot of people, I mean, you could do it whatever way you want.
03:01:43.000 Are you telling people how to do it?
03:01:45.000 I'm gonna tell you how to do it.
03:01:46.000 I'll tell you how to not do it.
03:01:48.000 How do you not do it?
03:01:49.000 Well, you heard what happened to the camp, the white ocean camp out there, right?
03:01:53.000 What's the white ocean camp?
03:01:54.000 So, there are these camps called, like...
03:01:56.000 Do you know what the white ocean camp is?
03:01:57.000 I think that's that story.
03:01:58.000 I don't want to blow the story, but...
03:01:59.000 Blow it! 1.00
03:02:00.000 Where they cut people's power lines and shit? 0.99
03:02:03.000 Yeah, because it's like, the problem is, like, there's, like, you could be a little too inclusive there, and so you end up, like... 0.92
03:02:10.000 Part of what's cool about that thing is, like...
03:02:13.000 This is the thing I saw in an interview with Larry Harvey.
03:02:16.000 He's like, this is a survival situation, right?
03:02:18.000 So it's tough.
03:02:20.000 It's not easy all the way through. 1.00
03:02:22.000 You gotta get out there in a fucking RV. We drove an RV out there, man. 0.99
03:02:27.000 Not that that's hard or anything, but it's like, when you're driving an RV... Out of Burning Man.
03:02:33.000 It's not easy because it's an eight-hour line to get out of Burning Man in the morning in your RV. You're sitting in a fucking RV for eight hours in this massive line of people who are being pulsed out of Burning Man because there's only one road out.
03:02:49.000 Is this every time you want to leave through any day of Burning Man? 0.99
03:02:52.000 No.
03:02:53.000 If you leave early, you won't have to wait that long.
03:02:55.000 But if you go through the whole festival, it takes that long to get out.
03:02:57.000 And so the point is, it's not easy.
03:02:59.000 Right.
03:03:00.000 It's not necessarily supposed to be easy. 0.69
03:03:03.000 Like, it's like part of it's really fucking hard and like really tries you for real.
03:03:08.000 Like, it's like you're going to get, you know, it's not easy.
03:03:12.000 So some people...
03:03:14.000 I think that they're people who are subverting the experience a little bit by flying in on a private jet and then being brought to a place that's already been built for them, where they get to hang out.
03:03:27.000 And then that place is like, theoretically, it's not so easy for people to get in there.
03:03:31.000 Even though White Ocean, one of the things they said was like, well, we're giving food to people.
03:03:38.000 There's an embarrassing post one of the guys from White Ocean put up, like, what you did to us?
03:03:44.000 And it was like a guy who clearly didn't get the whole point of the thing, which is like...
03:03:48.000 Seriously, though, why would they do that instead of just complaining or just talking to them?
03:03:55.000 Like, why would they cut their power?
03:03:56.000 Why would they make their food spoiled?
03:03:59.000 That doesn't seem like a logical choice, right?
03:04:01.000 Dude, there's some people...
03:04:02.000 Do you think that it was good that they did that?
03:04:04.000 Is it a logical choice for me?
03:04:06.000 No.
03:04:06.000 Hell no.
03:04:07.000 Of course not.
03:04:07.000 But do you think it makes sense to them that they cut the power and they sabotage these people's food?
03:04:12.000 I think that...
03:04:14.000 That's what they did, right?
03:04:15.000 Well, yeah. 0.99
03:04:15.000 They fucked up their camp. 0.99
03:04:17.000 They apparently glued their doors shut and stuff, but... 0.99
03:04:20.000 That seems contrary to the idea behind the event itself.
03:04:24.000 Well, that's the problem.
03:04:25.000 There's no one idea at that event.
03:04:27.000 You're hearing my perspective.
03:04:28.000 Okay, I see.
03:04:29.000 Right?
03:04:29.000 My perspective is one thing.
03:04:31.000 But that ain't the only fucking perspective, dude. 0.98
03:04:33.000 There's like a bunch of people out there who aren't there for love. 0.98
03:04:37.000 There's like people who are like... 0.96
03:04:38.000 I mean, God, have you seen the gladiator ring they have there where they slam people together who fight or the fucking fisting tent or the... 0.97
03:04:45.000 They have a fisting tent? 0.99
03:04:46.000 Like fisting in the genital? 0.99
03:04:49.000 Fisting? 0.99
03:04:49.000 Yeah. 0.99
03:04:50.000 They have a tent for that. 0.66
03:04:51.000 They have an orgy tent, fisting tent.
03:04:53.000 They have a tent for fisting? 0.97
03:04:54.000 Yeah, there's a fisting tent.
03:04:56.000 I didn't go to it, but I heard about it.
03:04:58.000 How would you not go to it if it was there?
03:05:02.000 I don't know, man.
03:05:03.000 If you build it, they will come.
03:05:05.000 Is it one of those things where the only way in is someone's got to fist you?
03:05:07.000 I don't know.
03:05:08.000 Because that would stop me.
03:05:08.000 I didn't go.
03:05:10.000 Or you could fist them?
03:05:11.000 Would you be in a fisting somebody?
03:05:13.000 Just to see what it's like?
03:05:15.000 I think I can imagine what it's like.
03:05:17.000 I don't know.
03:05:18.000 That particular thing doesn't appeal to me.
03:05:21.000 But I do like the openness of it.
03:05:24.000 And I do like the fact that...
03:05:26.000 Eventually, after a bunch of people walking around naked for a week, you stop seeing naked people. 0.99
03:05:31.000 And one of the people in my camp, it could be a lie, they say they have something called Acceptable Boner Tuesday, where guys will take fucking Cialis and just walk around with fucking boners. 0.99
03:05:44.000 It's crazy, dude. 0.98
03:05:45.000 I got my own ideas of it, but there isn't one idea about it, man.
03:05:48.000 It's not like a tame...
03:05:50.000 There you go. 0.95
03:05:52.000 Orgy dome.
03:05:53.000 Rules.
03:05:54.000 One, couples and morsoms? 0.97
03:05:58.000 Morsoms only.
03:05:59.000 Yeah.
03:06:00.000 Why is that morsoms? 1.00
03:06:01.000 Okay.
03:06:01.000 Two, take off your shoes.
03:06:03.000 Okay, one, couples and morsoms only. 0.95
03:06:05.000 Meaning that you can't come in there by yourself. 0.95
03:06:08.000 Where's the orgy? 1.00
03:06:08.000 I'm here to fuck. 1.00
03:06:10.000 Yeah. 1.00
03:06:10.000 You gotta bring someone that other people wanna fuck. 1.00
03:06:12.000 Take off your shoes. 1.00
03:06:13.000 Yes.
03:06:14.000 Use blue towels under you.
03:06:15.000 Ask before you touch.
03:06:17.000 Clean up and throw everything away. 0.63
03:06:18.000 Close and zip both doors.
03:06:21.000 Hilarious.
03:06:22.000 Yeah. 0.81
03:06:22.000 The orgy dome rules. 0.81
03:06:24.000 That's amazing.
03:06:27.000 Yeah.
03:06:28.000 That's amazing.
03:06:30.000 But it's not shocking.
03:06:31.000 All those people took a photo of the orgy dome.
03:06:33.000 Yeah. 1.00
03:06:33.000 They're like, hey, we fucked. 1.00
03:06:35.000 It really, though, isn't that big a deal if you think about it. 0.99
03:06:40.000 We make it a big deal.
03:06:41.000 It's not that big a deal.
03:06:42.000 It's a big deal because we decide it's a big deal.
03:06:44.000 But it's something that everybody does.
03:06:45.000 Sex is what either everybody does or everybody wants to do. 0.51
03:06:49.000 Almost everybody. 0.63
03:06:50.000 Except the rare few that are actually asexual.
03:06:52.000 Yeah, right.
03:06:52.000 It's something that everybody does, and yet we make it out to be this horrible sin.
03:06:56.000 Yeah, and that's a very, like, if you're into sex, definitely that's a great festival for you.
03:07:00.000 Sounds perfect. 0.98
03:07:01.000 Yeah, there's a lot of, like, stuff like that that goes on, and everyone's super, like, I mean, I don't, you know, that's the fucking Gladiator Dome! 0.87
03:07:08.000 So what is that made out of? 0.61
03:07:09.000 Is that all metal or wood?
03:07:10.000 That's metal, I think.
03:07:11.000 So you can climb up there and watch as they slam these people together.
03:07:15.000 So it's like a Mad Max type thing.
03:07:16.000 Yeah, it is.
03:07:17.000 So they're actually fighting?
03:07:18.000 Well, they take these people, put them in these harnesses and these ropes.
03:07:21.000 That looks like a guy's getting kicked.
03:07:23.000 Yeah.
03:07:23.000 Is he getting kicked?
03:07:24.000 Yeah, he's getting kicked. 0.99
03:07:25.000 So they swing and they beat the shit out of each other in there? 0.98
03:07:28.000 Yeah. 0.99
03:07:30.000 Wow, this is bananas. 1.00
03:07:32.000 Is there video of this shit or just photos? 1.00
03:07:33.000 Yeah, there's videos. 1.00
03:07:34.000 Go right to that, please.
03:07:37.000 The battle d- the Thunderdome.
03:07:39.000 This is real?
03:07:40.000 Yeah, man.
03:07:41.000 Oh my god.
03:07:42.000 What in the f- they're hitting each other?
03:07:44.000 Yeah.
03:07:45.000 They're hitting each other with sticks.
03:07:46.000 Yeah.
03:07:46.000 What are those sticks that they have?
03:07:47.000 They're foam sticks, but you could definitely, like, kick pe- I mean, it definitely doesn't feel good.
03:07:51.000 Wow, this is nuts, man.
03:07:53.000 Yeah.
03:07:54.000 This is really strange.
03:07:55.000 Yeah.
03:07:56.000 You can hear these people screaming and yelling.
03:07:59.000 Yeah. 1.00
03:08:00.000 What a fucking trip. 0.99
03:08:03.000 And are there police in this at all? 1.00
03:08:05.000 There's cops everywhere.
03:08:06.000 Cops everywhere in Burning Man.
03:08:08.000 There's cops.
03:08:08.000 Boom.
03:08:09.000 Oh my god.
03:08:09.000 Who are the cops?
03:08:10.000 What?
03:08:11.000 There's cops, like, walking around with cop outfits on?
03:08:13.000 There's cops with cop outfits and undercover cops.
03:08:16.000 You have to be smart.
03:08:17.000 So the cops with the cop outfits, what do they do?
03:08:20.000 They just wait for someone to shoot someone or beat somebody up or something?
03:08:24.000 Like, so...
03:08:25.000 I gotta tell you, man, most of the cops I saw, they seem to be having really funny conversations with people at Burning Man who are just talking to them.
03:08:33.000 Some of them are, you know, there are arrests, but from what I saw, it's not like, I think for a cop, after being at Burning Man for three days, I think their perspective starts changing maybe a little bit because they're in this weirdness just like everybody else.
03:08:48.000 I don't know.
03:08:49.000 Maybe that's naive to say.
03:08:50.000 There's undercover cops there and people from my camp said one of the things that people do is they'll go to where there's like a party.
03:08:59.000 Or a rave.
03:09:00.000 And yeah, there you go.
03:09:01.000 Cops on ATVs.
03:09:02.000 Yeah, there you go. 0.99
03:09:03.000 With titties. 0.97
03:09:04.000 Yeah. 0.97
03:09:05.000 Yeah, it's pretty funny.
03:09:08.000 They're just like doing that.
03:09:09.000 But like one of the things they do is they'll go to like...
03:09:14.000 With Monopoly money, with like fake money and fake plastic bags and do fake drug deals so that suddenly the undercover cops will come out and then they'll follow the undercover cops, you know, because it draws them out.
03:09:29.000 It's pretty cool.
03:09:31.000 They do fake drug deals.
03:09:32.000 I don't know if it's true or not.
03:09:33.000 That's what I heard.
03:09:34.000 With fake money.
03:09:35.000 I don't know if that's true.
03:09:36.000 I don't know if it's true or not.
03:09:37.000 Sounds good.
03:09:38.000 Let's end on that.
03:09:39.000 Alright, cool.
03:09:39.000 You've changed my perspective of Burning Man.
03:09:41.000 Good!
03:09:42.000 I'm glad.
03:09:42.000 That's good to hear, man.
03:09:43.000 I'm glad we talked about it on the podcast because I'm glad we stopped the conversation on the phone.
03:09:48.000 Because you were so adamant about it.
03:09:49.000 I'm like, we've got to talk about this.
03:09:50.000 I'm glad we did, man.
03:09:52.000 Okay, now I'm super compelled.
03:09:54.000 Alright.
03:09:55.000 See you next year.
03:09:56.000 The end.
03:10:00.000 Cool.
03:10:00.000 Awesome, man.
03:10:02.000 That was great.
03:10:03.000 That was so fun.
03:10:04.000 That was a little fun stuff.