The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - October 21, 2016

00:00:01.000 3, 2, 1, boom!

00:00:04.000 Eve Edwards, welcome to the show!

00:00:07.000 Thanks for having me, man.

00:00:08.000 Finally got you in here, man.

00:00:09.000 We've talked about this a bunch of times, but this is the perfect time because we're doing a fight companion.

00:00:15.000 This is the very first one we've ever done for Glory kickboxing.

00:00:19.000 Joe Schilling, world championship kickboxer himself, is on his way.

00:00:23.000 He's over here. 0.98

00:00:24.000 He fucking hates Glory. 1.00

00:00:25.000 They talk shit about him after he left. 1.00

00:00:29.000 But I'm sure it'll be good. 0.99

00:00:31.000 We're going to have a good time, man.

00:00:32.000 So there's some good fights tonight.

00:00:34.000 Nikki Holtzkin's fighting. 0.95

00:00:35.000 Israel Adesanya's fighting. 1.00

00:00:37.000 He's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:00:38.000 That should be interesting. 1.00

00:00:40.000 And all this is live from Denver, Colorado, right now on UFC Fight Pass.

00:00:45.000 If you don't have UFC Fight Pass, shame on you.

00:00:49.000 Because it's a great way to waste days.

00:00:52.000 Days of time.

00:00:54.000 Man, you can just sit down and watch whatever you want from anywhere in the world.

00:00:58.000 It's Netflix for fights, is what it is.

00:01:01.000 It's just like they have everything. 0.97

00:01:02.000 From way back in the Pride days, all the old Fedor fights, the Vanderlei fights back in the early 2000s, all that shit.

00:01:10.000 Yeah, it's fun to go back and watch some of those old ones too, especially the Pride tournaments.

00:01:14.000 Yeah, man, the golden days.

00:01:16.000 So the first fight of the night here is Justin Houghton versus Jonathan Widerko, and they're reading the glory rules.

00:01:25.000 Did you do much kickboxing at all?

00:01:27.000 I had four amateur kickboxing fights, three amateur boxing matches, and two pro, so...

00:01:35.000 Was it American rules or Muay Thai?

00:01:37.000 Two Muay Thai, two American rules. 0.79

00:01:39.000 So it was fun.

00:01:41.000 I mean, it was amateur, so we were in headgear.

00:01:43.000 We didn't throw elbows.

00:01:45.000 But it was good.

00:01:46.000 I was undefeated.

00:01:48.000 That's good, then.

00:01:49.000 I like that.

00:01:50.000 Yeah, it's interesting because I'm a huge fan of kickboxing and I'm just kind of surprised that kickboxing hasn't taken off in America the way MMA has, but I just don't think it's been promoted the right way.

00:02:08.000 Dana White had a real good point, and he said that the reason why is because people, when you think of kickboxing, they think of PKA karate from ESPN at 2 o'clock in the morning from the 1980s.

00:02:20.000 You know, you have to throw those five kicks above the waist. 1.00

00:02:22.000 And it was like shitty sloppy boxing, and they would barely throw those kicks. 0.60

00:02:28.000 And then the pants they would wear. 0.99

00:02:30.000 All of that was just crap. 1.00

00:02:32.000 It looks silly, man. 1.00

00:02:33.000 Look at how they were fighting in pajamas. 0.84

00:02:35.000 With the boots, those big boots that they would wear on their feet.

00:02:38.000 It is kind of interesting, the boots, because I brought this up many times when it comes to MMA. Like, why do your elbows have nothing on them?

00:02:47.000 Why do your shins and knees have nothing on them but your knuckles do?

00:02:50.000 Which is like the easiest thing to break, the hardest thing to hit somebody hard with is a fist.

00:02:56.000 Yeah, but you use those more, right?

00:02:59.000 And then because of the cuts, I think, mostly for cuts.

00:03:03.000 Bone on bone, that skin getting pinched in between there.

00:03:05.000 For sure.

00:03:06.000 Everybody's getting cut up.

00:03:07.000 That's true, but isn't that the case with elbows?

00:03:09.000 Yeah, but, I mean, it's harder to land an elbow.

00:03:12.000 Unless your name is Tim Means.

00:03:14.000 Right.

00:03:14.000 It's harder to land an elbow than it is to land punches.

00:03:17.000 There's a few guys that are real elbow specialists.

00:03:23.000 Jordan Meehan is another one.

00:03:25.000 Remember when he fought Cyborg, the other Cyborg, not the female, the male Cyborg in Strikeforce? 0.98

00:03:30.000 Holy shit, that elbow combination, man. 0.97

00:03:33.000 That's one thing I don't like about Glory. 0.99

00:03:35.000 I really wish they would go full Muay Thai.

00:03:38.000 And when Joe Schilling gets here, you know, Joe's obviously, he's done both.

00:03:43.000 And he started out in Muay Thai.

00:03:44.000 He's a big Muay Thai fan.

00:03:46.000 And They're having Lion Fight is on tonight at the same time.

00:03:50.000 So that's on AXS TV right now while this is going on right now on UFC Fight Pass.

00:03:59.000 I've never been, I mean, outside of an MMA fight, I've never been hit with an elbow in a Muay Thai fight.

00:04:05.000 I feel like that would throw me off.

00:04:07.000 For some reason, I feel it's different than MMA. Like, in MMA, I've never been hit, I don't remember being hit with an elbow on my feet, but on the mat, you know?

00:04:17.000 But in kickboxing, I mean, that's where you're at, and I don't know, it's kind of scary.

00:04:22.000 I've hit people with elbows on my feet, and it seems, it would be shitty to be on the receiving end of one of those, man. 0.98

00:04:29.000 It kind of sucks. 0.96

00:04:30.000 I guess, but it's very effective. 0.96

00:04:33.000 And I always feel like any time you're eliminating effective aspects of striking, I'll give you take Muay Thai, and you eliminate two effective aspects of it, elbows and the clinch.

00:04:43.000 I mean, those are two huge factors in fights, especially the clinch.

00:04:49.000 I mean, you take a guy like Sanchai who can dump people from anywhere.

00:04:52.000 He just flips dudes.

00:04:53.000 You know, he's so good at the clinch and so good at throwing elbows and knees to the body from the clinch.

00:04:59.000 Yeah, the only thing I really don't like about Glory is they feel like they do break you from the clinch real quick.

00:05:06.000 You don't even have time to work any knees in there. 1.00

00:05:08.000 Yeah.

00:05:09.000 I just feel like you should be able, A, to defend yourself if you get hurt, and B, you should be able to work knees to the body and elbows in the clinch.

00:05:19.000 It's just a massive part of Muay Thai, and they've just sort of eliminated it to make it more exciting, and it all came from K1. K1 was like a big step up from PKA karate.

00:05:31.000 It was a big step up from kickboxing, but...

00:05:34.000 They developed some rules that they thought would favor action and make things go quicker.

00:05:41.000 Yeah, I remember the first K-1 that was, I think it was like, what, 92, 93, maybe 94 here, where they advertised it as 80% knockouts.

00:05:50.000 Do you remember that?

00:05:52.000 No.

00:05:52.000 80% knockouts.

00:05:53.000 They had five fights in the card, four ended by knockouts.

00:05:55.000 That's so crazy. 0.97

00:05:57.000 80% knockouts is so fucking crazy. 0.98

00:06:00.000 But I wouldn't be surprised. 0.95

00:06:01.000 I think, I know Kimo fought on that.

00:06:04.000 Oh, wow, that's right.

00:06:05.000 Masa Satake.

00:06:08.000 Wow.

00:06:08.000 That is so old school.

00:06:10.000 I think Goodridge may have fought on that too.

00:06:12.000 I don't remember for sure.

00:06:15.000 Striking becomes a completely different animal when there's no threat of the takedown.

00:06:20.000 And it also becomes a completely different animal when the Muay Thai aspect is removed.

00:06:25.000 No threat of the clinch and no threat of the elbows.

00:06:28.000 Yeah, that changes the range a lot.

00:06:30.000 You see, what is his name?

00:06:33.000 Houghton just did a spin.

00:06:35.000 You don't see a whole lot of spinning in MMA. You get guys like Wonderboy and those guys that can do it and they do it well.

00:06:41.000 But you don't see that as much.

00:06:42.000 If you watch a UFC card, you won't see as many spins as you do in Glory.

00:06:46.000 Yeah, I think really the only way to get, well not the only way, but it's so hard for guys who develop an overall MMA game to ever be like really effective with those kind of traditional martial arts techniques because I feel like some of those Taekwondo techniques and Kyokushin techniques,

00:07:05.000 you have to start out with that stuff and not worry about getting punched in the face in order to develop them.

00:07:11.000 That's a big aspect of Kyokushin and a big aspect of Taekwondo is that people aren't punching you in the face.

00:07:16.000 Yeah, because you don't have that threat.

00:07:19.000 Yeah, so you develop those crazy kicks and the leg dexterity.

00:07:23.000 And then, I feel like that's a great stepping stone if you can go from that and then learn how to wrestle and learn jiu-jitsu and learn how to box and kickboxing.

00:07:32.000 Then you'll always have those techniques.

00:07:34.000 But it's so rare that you take a guy who is like a real, from the beginning, mixed martial arts fighter and then develop that kind of ability.

00:07:43.000 Yeah, I mean, they're focused on every aspect of martial arts.

00:07:48.000 There's almost too much to learn.

00:07:49.000 Yeah, you have to be a highlander to get it all down. 0.96

00:07:52.000 Yeah, it's so rare that anybody has like a full game that starts out from the beginning.

00:07:59.000 But, you know, I think we're seeing these guys today, which is kind of an interesting time, the real specialists like Wonderboy, and on the other end, like Damian Maia.

00:08:10.000 You know, seeing real specialists.

00:08:13.000 You don't see that as much anymore.

00:08:14.000 I mean, guys were individual specialists back in the day, but now you get a guy like Wonderboy, you get a guy like Stephen Thompson.

00:08:20.000 I mean, Tyron Woodley, great wrestler, he started mixing the rest into his game.

00:08:24.000 But then you get these guys like Dustin Poirier and Masad Bektik that came up doing MMA. And they're really good at different aspects of it.

00:08:32.000 Real strong and say...

00:08:34.000 The wrestling and jiu-jitsu, good kickboxing, but you put them in a ring with a Joe Schilling.

00:08:40.000 Joe Schilling, ladies and gentlemen, as if on cue.

00:08:44.000 What's up, brother?

00:08:45.000 Good to see you, man.

00:08:45.000 What's happening?

00:08:47.000 Joe Schilling, ladies and gentlemen.

00:08:50.000 We were just talking about the difference between a real specialist, like a high-level specialist, like a Stephen Thompson in MMA, versus a guy like a Dustin Poirier, who's a very good striker, but Wonderboy's something special.

00:09:05.000 That level, that's like, he was something ridiculous, like 37-0 as a kickboxer, and his UFC career, he's only lost to Matt Brown.

00:09:15.000 In a fight where he said he over-trained for that fight, and you know, Matt Brown's obviously a savage.

00:09:20.000 And early in his UFC career, too.

00:09:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:23.000 So this is the first fight, Joe Schilling, and I know you're a huge fan of Glory, the organization, the way they treat the fighters once they leave.

00:09:30.000 Absolutely.

00:09:31.000 We already discussed that.

00:09:33.000 No, it's good.

00:09:34.000 It's good for the sport.

00:09:35.000 It's good.

00:09:35.000 You know, like Lori's done for kickboxing, this is awesome.

00:09:38.000 This is great.

00:09:39.000 It is good for the sport.

00:09:40.000 I love the sport, and I think everyone here, we want it to do better.

00:09:45.000 It's just, it doesn't get nearly the amount of attention or respect that it deserves.

00:09:50.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:09:51.000 It should definitely, I mean, kickboxing is a very exciting sport.

00:09:54.000 When you sit down and you watch these guys, and you see some of the knockouts that these guys pull off, I was watching Tyrone Spong and Salo Calivari.

00:10:05.000 Oh, right, yeah.

00:10:06.000 And the way he cracked him with that overhand, I love seeing guys get hurt, but survive, get through that round.

00:10:14.000 Because you get a guy like Tyrone Spong, who's a killer, and he's coming after you.

00:10:17.000 He's trying to finish, but you have to be smart.

00:10:20.000 When he dropped Tyrone in New York, that was Michael Dunn, I think.

00:10:25.000 Tyrone got up and they knocked him out.

00:10:27.000 Yeah, that was crazy.

00:10:31.000 That whole exchange was 30 seconds.

00:10:34.000 He dropped Tyrone and then Tyrone got back up and knocked him out.

00:10:39.000 Yeah, he just flashed him with a one-two down the pipe.

00:10:41.000 Nobody expected that.

00:10:43.000 Spong's in a weird place, right?

00:10:45.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:10:45.000 I don't know what's going on.

00:10:46.000 He's kind of halfway kickboxing, halfway boxing.

00:10:48.000 He's boxing now.

00:10:50.000 I saw he had a boxing fight recently, man.

00:10:52.000 He's had a few.

00:10:53.000 Yeah.

00:10:53.000 Well, when he broke his leg, when he fought Gokan Saki, that was another one of those Anderson Silva-style leg breaks.

00:10:59.000 Those nasty Czech leg breaks. 1.00

00:11:01.000 It was bad.

00:11:02.000 Did you see that one?

00:11:03.000 Awful.

00:11:03.000 Yeah, I saw that.

00:11:04.000 That was disgusting.

00:11:06.000 How many times have you seen that, Joe, in the flesh?

00:11:08.000 In the flesh?

00:11:09.000 Never.

00:11:10.000 Never?

00:11:10.000 I hope I never see it in the flesh.

00:11:11.000 I've seen it twice.

00:11:12.000 Really?

00:11:13.000 Corey Hill?

00:11:13.000 Oh, Corey Hill.

00:11:14.000 I was there for that, too.

00:11:17.000 What I hate about that is your body is still reacting.

00:11:21.000 You're throwing that kick and you're putting that foot down.

00:11:23.000 You don't feel it until you put that foot down.

00:11:25.000 Then you see it goes rubber on you.

00:11:28.000 That Achilles touches the side of your knee.

00:11:33.000 Oh, that's got to be so hard to get over that to the point where you're capable of throwing kicks, too.

00:11:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:40.000 The mental...

00:11:40.000 Be fully convinced.

00:11:41.000 The mental...

00:11:41.000 I don't know.

00:11:42.000 Yeah.

00:11:43.000 It's real tough.

00:11:43.000 Real tough to come back from.

00:11:45.000 Yeah.

00:11:46.000 Yeah, and well, a leg break in and of itself is so dangerous because, first of all, when it's a compound fracture, it's insanely dangerous because there's massive risks of infection.

00:11:56.000 But when it's a leg break, there's also an issue with circulation, like...

00:12:03.000 Frank Mir, when he broke his leg when he got in that car accident, he wasn't good for a year.

00:12:07.000 A year plus. 0.92

00:12:08.000 His leg was fucked up for like a year later. 0.96

00:12:12.000 And his knee was fucked up from, you know, having his leg bolted together. 0.98

00:12:18.000 It kind of fucked up his knee. 0.95

00:12:20.000 What bothers me most about that is how much pain those dudes are in instantly.

00:12:25.000 I mean, when you're in a fight and you get cut, you get hit, you get...

00:12:28.000 Like, you feel it, but you can deal with it.

00:12:31.000 Like that.

00:12:32.000 Yeah.

00:12:33.000 They just look like they're in agony right away.

00:12:35.000 That adrenaline is not enough to stop that pain.

00:12:37.000 No, nobody just sucks it up when their leg snaps in half.

00:12:40.000 No, man.

00:12:41.000 That Anderson, when Anderson fought Weidman, and he's just screaming.

00:12:45.000 You know, you never see that from Anderson.

00:12:47.000 Ever.

00:12:48.000 Ever.

00:12:49.000 I had a fight once, and you said something about how I'm good at throwing that inside leg kick.

00:12:55.000 And I was like, yeah. 0.99

00:12:56.000 When I watched it later, I was like, yeah, because I don't want to get my shit broken. 0.99

00:12:59.000 I try to hide that as best as I can being a southpaw, man. 0.99

00:13:02.000 Yeah.

00:13:03.000 Because that's the scariest thing.

00:13:04.000 Right.

00:13:05.000 Inside leg kick to that shin on the opposite side fighter. 0.81

00:13:08.000 Yeah.

00:13:09.000 Yeah, that southpaw is usually when it happens.

00:13:11.000 Yeah.

00:13:12.000 Tyrone was just like full power, and then Saki's knee like...

00:13:17.000 Yeah, full power.

00:13:18.000 And that's Tyrone's style, too.

00:13:20.000 He's just such an explosive guy.

00:13:24.000 Like what Boss said about it made a lot of sense to me.

00:13:27.000 He described it as like a ruler, like a pencil ruler.

00:13:31.000 And when you hit the southpaw, you end up kind of...

00:13:36.000 Boss explains it a lot better than me.

00:13:37.000 The ruler hits the flat side or the shin hits the flat side, which is why it has the ability to break so easy versus going straight at it, you know?

00:13:45.000 That totally makes sense.

00:13:46.000 And then there's, of course, the knee and the upper area of the knee, which is just like kicking a boulder.

00:13:51.000 You know, it's like the top of the knee especially, it's so hard.

00:13:54.000 Yeah, and the top of the shin, too.

00:13:56.000 You know, when you...

00:13:58.000 Your shin is sharper toward the bottom, but it gets much thicker, much denser.

00:14:03.000 When you throw a solid leg kick and you land on the upper shin is when you really get that thunk.

00:14:07.000 I remember there was a lion fight.

00:14:10.000 I don't remember who Malapet fought, but the dude checked his leg kick and it hurt him.

00:14:17.000 He could tell it hurt him. 0.61

00:14:18.000 So Malapet started swinging at his shins and he just kept throwing those leg kicks at his shins. 0.90

00:14:24.000 It was just so nasty. 0.94

00:14:26.000 Who was that?

00:14:27.000 I don't remember who it was.

00:14:28.000 I remember it though.

00:14:29.000 I think I saw that.

00:14:30.000 Was that when Cyborg fell on that card?

00:14:34.000 I don't know.

00:14:34.000 Might have been.

00:14:35.000 Might have been.

00:14:36.000 Might have been.

00:14:37.000 I trained with Malapet, man.

00:14:38.000 That guy...

00:14:39.000 You know what Malapet means?

00:14:40.000 No.

00:14:41.000 Diamond.

00:14:42.000 And that guy's shins are like diamond hard. 0.55

00:14:46.000 We were drilling one day and we're going back and forth and I throw a kick and he checks me. 0.90

00:14:51.000 He throws a kick and I check him.

00:14:52.000 He's not kicking me hard.

00:14:53.000 He's literally kicking like that hard.

00:14:55.000 And I checked it and I didn't like how it felt.

00:14:58.000 So I saw him throwing a kick again and I seriously thought, don't even block that.

00:15:02.000 Because he's not kicking you hard, so it's not going to hurt.

00:15:05.000 But if you check it, it will.

00:15:07.000 But that guy, he's little, he's tiny, but he hits so hard.

00:15:11.000 Can't clinch with him.

00:15:12.000 Beats me up in the clinch.

00:15:13.000 I got like 20, 30 pounds on him.

00:15:15.000 He's beating me up in the clinch.

00:15:16.000 There's so much experience that guy has.

00:15:18.000 They call it old bones.

00:15:20.000 Yeah, they start when they're babies.

00:15:22.000 Old bones.

00:15:23.000 That's an interesting way of putting it.

00:15:25.000 That's how the ties refer to it.

00:15:26.000 Well, that's the same with grappling, too.

00:15:28.000 You ever wrestle with a guy like Randy Couture?

00:15:30.000 You clinch up with a guy like that, and there's just something about them when they've been throwing people around their whole life.

00:15:35.000 They got this weird feel to them.

00:15:37.000 It just doesn't feel right.

00:15:39.000 Yeah, I trained with Tyron when he had a broken arm at the time.

00:15:42.000 So he's in a cast.

00:15:44.000 He's not even using it.

00:15:45.000 I can't do anything.

00:15:46.000 He's lifting me with one hand.

00:15:48.000 He's putting me on the fence.

00:15:49.000 We're straight wrestling, but it's like he's wrestling with a child.

00:15:53.000 And he had a cast on?

00:15:54.000 He had a cast on.

00:15:55.000 That's hilarious.

00:15:55.000 Then he wrestled with another guy that wrestled at Missouri also and took him down.

00:16:00.000 And this is a college-level wrestler.

00:16:02.000 Woodley is so unusual in that he has unbelievable knockout power, but he didn't start out as a striker.

00:16:10.000 That snap and explosion that he's got.

00:16:14.000 His ability to close the distance with one punch, too.

00:16:16.000 I really noticed it.

00:16:18.000 I mean, I've noticed it in many fights, but the one time when he fought Carlos Condit, I remember he closed the distance and landed a right hand.

00:16:25.000 You know how your brain sees people doing stuff, and things seem normal.

00:16:29.000 Like, oh, that's a good punch, or that's a good kick.

00:16:31.000 But it seems normal.

00:16:33.000 But every now and then, someone will do something, and you go... 1.00

00:16:35.000 Whoa, what the fuck? 0.99

00:16:36.000 We just missed a couple frames there? 1.00

00:16:38.000 It was like something was cut out of the frame.

00:16:40.000 He's so fast.

00:16:41.000 And for a guy that's that big to be able to close the distance so fast and punch you, he could tell Condit was like, oh, okay. 1.00

00:16:50.000 Okay, and this motherfucker could punch me from over there. 1.00

00:16:52.000 This is a whole different kind of thing. 0.99

00:16:54.000 I think that's how a lot of people feel when they're fighting Oh, Wonderboy now.

00:16:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:17:00.000 You were talking earlier about his, you know, what a high-level striker he is, but he's a high-level striker at a style that you don't see very often.

00:17:08.000 Yeah.

00:17:08.000 When you go in an MMA gym anywhere across this country, you're going to see fundamentals of Muay Thai, boxing, and whatnot, you know what I mean?

00:17:14.000 But you very rarely are going to see guys throwing crescent kicks and all this fucking point karate shit. 0.98

00:17:20.000 Him and Raymond Daniels. 0.99

00:17:22.000 Yeah.

00:17:23.000 Similar style. 0.99

00:17:24.000 When you're in there, you're like, what the fuck is going on? 0.97

00:17:26.000 And then you end up standing in front of them, which is what they want, you know? 0.98

00:17:28.000 Well, he's got way better hands than Raymond, though.

00:17:31.000 The thing that makes him, like, Raymond's getting better with his hands, but Raymond has issues when guys close the distance and smother him, like what Nicky Holtzkin did, like what Joseph Valtellini did to him.

00:17:41.000 But Wonderboy doesn't have any problem with that.

00:17:42.000 Wonderboy's hands are nasty. 1.00

00:17:44.000 And he also has this weird thing he does where he pivots from his hip back and forth like a fucking snake. 0.99

00:17:49.000 Like, he's so good at, like, moving back and forth from his hips. 0.98

00:17:53.000 And that's, like, a lot of that point karate stuff.

00:17:56.000 Yeah.

00:17:57.000 Yeah, I'm excited about that fight in particular because of those two dynamics.

00:18:02.000 Yeah.

00:18:02.000 Because of Tyron's speed, and Wonderboy's got good range too, but Tyron can close that gap.

00:18:07.000 And then Wonderboy's creativity with what he does.

00:18:10.000 He throws everything at you.

00:18:12.000 Tyron's got that one-punch power though.

00:18:14.000 That one-punch thing is just so disturbing.

00:18:18.000 Because he could just... 1.00

00:18:18.000 The last fight, his fight with Lawler, I was like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:18:22.000 Out of nowhere. 0.99

00:18:23.000 Out of nowhere.

00:18:23.000 Yeah, and he can do that at any point in time.

00:18:26.000 To anybody.

00:18:26.000 Yeah, to anybody.

00:18:27.000 And there's no one that can take that shot.

00:18:29.000 You can't get hit by it.

00:18:30.000 You can't get hit like that.

00:18:32.000 Whereas Wonderboy is much more of an accumulation-type damage-doer.

00:18:39.000 But, you know, Wonderboy's been hit before, you know?

00:18:41.000 Like, you gotta think, Jake Ellenberger hit him and hurt him.

00:18:45.000 And, you know, Jake's got real power, too, of course.

00:18:48.000 He hit him and hurt him. 0.98

00:18:50.000 So it's really a matter of whether or not he can stay the fuck away for as long as it takes to slow Tyron down. 0.98

00:18:59.000 And then get the weird game that he has, particularly with his front leg. 0.99

00:19:05.000 He can do shit with his front leg that you just do not expect. 0.97

00:19:08.000 Front leg side kicks, front leg roundhouse kicks. 0.99

00:19:11.000 He sneaks them over the shoulder and drops them down on you.

00:19:15.000 Throwing that lead-like hook kick.

00:19:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:19:17.000 That's that shit I mean. 1.00

00:19:19.000 Like, what the fuck is going on? 1.00

00:19:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:19:24.000 Rory?

00:19:25.000 Johnny Hendrix. 1.00

00:19:26.000 Now you're a target for that guy who's just doing his shit. 1.00

00:19:32.000 It's scary. 1.00

00:19:33.000 Well, that sideways stance too.

00:19:34.000 He stands completely karate style sideways with his hands down.

00:19:38.000 It's just a different thing.

00:19:40.000 It's a totally different style of movement.

00:19:42.000 And that was the one style of martial art that I've been waiting for for a while.

00:19:47.000 And you've seen it now with Michael Page in Bellator too.

00:19:52.000 The style of the point karate guy, those sport guys who can close the distance so fast and get the fuck out of the way so fast.

00:19:59.000 They're just a completely different thing and they're real good at countering too.

00:20:04.000 Michael Page is a master at countering.

00:20:07.000 Yeah, I'm not hating on Michael Page.

00:20:10.000 I just hate that Genki Sudo style.

00:20:12.000 I just hate the dancing style.

00:20:13.000 I don't know why.

00:20:14.000 Why do you hate it?

00:20:16.000 Probably because I feel like I'm a classic, like, old school, hard, just put your nose to the ground and do it the right way.

00:20:24.000 Right.

00:20:25.000 But I understand that's his style, but for some reason it just bothers the hell out of me.

00:20:29.000 Well, don't you think that's also a big part of why it's so effective? 0.95

00:20:32.000 Because it bothers the fuck out of his opponents, too? 0.65

00:20:34.000 It's like you do not want to get knocked out by a dude who's going to dance afterwards. 0.85

00:20:39.000 Or dance during.

00:20:41.000 Dance right before he KOs you. 1.00

00:20:43.000 You know, fuck. 1.00

00:20:44.000 It's embarrassing. 1.00

00:20:46.000 Richard Abraham's up next.

00:20:48.000 Mike Mathita.

00:20:49.000 We haven't talked about a fight yet.

00:20:51.000 I like Abraham, man.

00:20:53.000 Yeah?

00:20:53.000 I like how he fights.

00:20:54.000 He's pretty aggressive.

00:20:55.000 He likes to throw big bombs.

00:20:57.000 I call what he does Hood Muay Thai.

00:21:00.000 Hood Muay Thai.

00:21:01.000 That's funny.

00:21:03.000 Thug Jitsu and Hood Muay Thai.

00:21:05.000 How did you come up with Thug Jitsu?

00:21:08.000 Man, Houston was a big jiu-jitsu town, and somebody was using it as trying to denigrate me.

00:21:15.000 They were like, if you want to train some good jiu-jitsu, you come over here and you train with this guy and this guy.

00:21:20.000 But if you want to go learn some of that thug jiu-jitsu, you go train with Eve and Saul and those guys.

00:21:24.000 Because we were throwing kicks and punches, knees, and they didn't like that.

00:21:29.000 They just wanted to do some missions and do positioning, and that was it.

00:21:32.000 Nobody wanted to get hit in Houston back in the 90s.

00:21:34.000 Oh, that's interesting, man.

00:21:36.000 Joke's on you. 1.00

00:21:37.000 Damn, you fucking ran with that shit. 1.00

00:21:39.000 I saw you fight for the first time at Hook and Shoot, dude, against Aaron Reilly. 1.00

00:21:44.000 What year was that?

00:21:45.000 That was the 90s, right?

00:21:47.000 No.

00:21:48.000 The first time was the 90s.

00:21:49.000 I think the second time was 2001. Wow.

00:21:52.000 No, 2000. Old school, man.

00:21:55.000 That is as old school as you get, right?

00:21:58.000 Makes me feel old.

00:22:01.000 Those were great fights, though, man.

00:22:03.000 Those were great fights.

00:22:07.000 It's weird, because I liked beating up Aaron Reilly.

00:22:11.000 Aaron was tough, you know what I mean?

00:22:13.000 He was tough, but he wouldn't stop.

00:22:14.000 He wouldn't quit, but the second time we fought...

00:22:18.000 There was one point where I landed a knee to the face and then just saw blood immediately after.

00:22:23.000 I seriously felt like I need a burlap sack of lightbulbs.

00:22:28.000 That's what I felt like when I hit him. 0.97

00:22:30.000 It was disgusting. 0.99

00:22:32.000 Oh man, a burlap sack of lightbulbs. 0.81

00:22:35.000 I remember thinking during the fight when that happened, I was like, that felt like lightbulbs.

00:22:41.000 Oh my god!

00:22:43.000 What do you think it felt like when Michael Page landed that knee on Cyborg?

00:22:47.000 When it's forehead caved in?

00:22:50.000 And Cyborg's so crazy he's like, I'll be fighting again in three months.

00:22:53.000 Like, what?

00:22:55.000 I hope not.

00:22:55.000 Yeah, I hope not.

00:22:56.000 The way he went down too, that was another one of those times when you see a guy in agony in the cage.

00:23:02.000 That's...

00:23:02.000 No, man, I don't know if I'm fighting after that.

00:23:05.000 You can get hit in the head a lot. 0.99

00:23:06.000 That bugs the shit out of me the most about eye pokes. 0.99

00:23:09.000 When someone gets jabbed in the eye and you see them scream out and cover their eyes and turn their back, they don't even try to defend themselves sometimes. 0.94

00:23:16.000 The Anthony Johnson one was one of the worst.

00:23:18.000 Oh yeah, with Kevin Burns?

00:23:19.000 Yeah.

00:23:20.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:21.000 I've seen a gang of them now, man.

00:23:24.000 I just don't know why they don't go to the pride gloves. 0.84

00:23:27.000 I mean, it just seems at this point in time like a no-brainer.

00:23:30.000 It just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.

00:23:31.000 They continue to have these gloves that not only is it hard to keep your hand curled, but it's trying to open your hands.

00:23:39.000 The UFC gloves are trying to open your hands.

00:23:42.000 To keep your hands closed, you have to force them down.

00:23:44.000 Whereas the pride gloves, it was hard to open them.

00:23:47.000 The pride gloves are keeping your hands like that.

00:23:49.000 So as you're throwing punches, I just think, also, too, guys have to get away from doing this open palm thing to the face to push guys off.

00:23:59.000 And I think when guys do that, they should be penalized at point.

00:24:03.000 But how do you stop them from doing that?

00:24:04.000 That's such an instinct.

00:24:05.000 It is an instinct, but I think some guys don't do it ever.

00:24:08.000 There's a lot of fighters who are never guilty of eye pokes.

00:24:11.000 So why is that?

00:24:12.000 I mean, it's not like it's impossible to avoid.

00:24:15.000 I think they just have to make it so that if you poke somebody in the eye, It's an instantaneous one-point deduction.

00:24:20.000 And people say, well, that's too harsh, you know.

00:24:23.000 They didn't mean to do it.

00:24:24.000 Maybe they didn't mean to do it, but it still was done.

00:24:26.000 So the opponent still suffered damage.

00:24:29.000 You know, when you poke somebody in the eye, how many times have you seen, like, a Matt Mitchell and Travis Brown fight?

00:24:33.000 Oh, my God.

00:24:33.000 Where a guy gets poked in the eye, and all of a sudden the whole fight changes.

00:24:36.000 And then one guy's in trouble, and he's not in trouble from a legal technique.

00:24:39.000 He's in trouble from getting poked, and then the dynamic of the fight changes. 0.99

00:24:42.000 He can't see so good, and then he winds up getting fucked up. 0.97

00:24:45.000 See, they should just stop, walk the other guy over, Get a good look and then poke him. 0.98

00:24:51.000 Poke him back.

00:24:51.000 We both get five minutes and we'll see how this goes.

00:24:54.000 That would be crazy.

00:24:55.000 Imagine if guys were allowed to poke you. 0.70

00:24:57.000 So good.

00:24:57.000 Like if you poke somebody in the eye, they're allowed to come over and they get a free poke.

00:25:01.000 Love it.

00:25:02.000 Wasn't that one of the first rules that was just like no eye gouging?

00:25:09.000 That was like it?

00:25:09.000 No fish hooking or something?

00:25:10.000 No fish hooking, no eye gouging.

00:25:12.000 You were allowed to grab hair, you were allowed to punch nuts.

00:25:15.000 Keith Hackney.

00:25:16.000 But some guys just have done it so many times.

00:25:19.000 Joe San?

00:25:19.000 Joe San, yeah.

00:25:20.000 Oh man.

00:25:21.000 How crazy is that Joe Son story?

00:25:23.000 That's one of the craziest stories in all of MMA. Joe Son, who seemed like this lovable guy who was really into Jesus and seemed kind of crazy, he used to come to the comedy store and hang out.

00:25:31.000 I hung out with Joe Son a bunch of times because he was friends with Bobby Lee.

00:25:35.000 So he'd come out of the comedy store, he was jacked.

00:25:37.000 He was three feet tall and two feet wide.

00:25:40.000 He was jacked, you know?

00:25:41.000 And he was just real weird.

00:25:44.000 He felt like almost dangerous around him.

00:25:46.000 Like, this guy just seemed so odd.

00:25:49.000 Then he got arrested for something and they do some random DNA test on him and find out he was a part of a gang rape.

00:25:57.000 And now he's in jail for life.

00:25:59.000 He's in jail and while he's in jail he killed his celly.

00:26:03.000 I didn't know that. 0.73

00:26:04.000 He killed his cellmate.

00:26:06.000 I'm pretty sure.

00:26:07.000 See if that's the case.

00:26:09.000 Joseon kills cellmate.

00:26:10.000 I'm pretty sure he did.

00:26:12.000 But yeah, he's in jail for life now.

00:26:14.000 That's a wrap.

00:26:17.000 But it just... 1.00

00:26:17.000 What the fuck, man? 1.00

00:26:19.000 Out of nowhere. 0.99

00:26:20.000 I forget what they arrested him for, too, but it wasn't anything like that.

00:26:26.000 Joe's...

00:26:26.000 Yeah.

00:26:27.000 Possible murderer.

00:26:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:26:30.000 He's a crazy dude, man. 1.00

00:26:31.000 For sure rapist, but possible murderer. 1.00

00:26:33.000 For sure rapist. 1.00

00:26:35.000 Remember when he walked into the cage with a fucking cross strapped to his back? 1.00

00:26:39.000 Him and Kimo. 1.00

00:26:40.000 Both those guys.

00:26:41.000 They were so ate up with Jesus.

00:26:43.000 They had to walk to the cage with a cross strapped to their back.

00:26:47.000 Even Jesus himself would be like, guys, guys, guys.

00:26:50.000 That was a long time ago.

00:26:51.000 We don't need to do this anymore.

00:26:56.000 Because his cellmate was a convicted child molester, so...

00:26:58.000 And did he kill him?

00:26:59.000 Yeah.

00:27:00.000 Because of that?

00:27:01.000 He was standing over the body of him, so...

00:27:03.000 He was found standing at the door of a cell, the body of his cellmate, 50-year-old convicted child molester.

00:27:08.000 Michael Graham was lying unresponsive in the bottom bunk.

00:27:11.000 He's pronounced dead.

00:27:12.000 Hmm.

00:27:14.000 Well, I give him a pass on that. 0.85

00:27:16.000 Give him a pass on child molester.

00:27:18.000 He said he killed Graham with a combination of kicks and punches.

00:27:21.000 Son pleaded not guilty.

00:27:26.000 When you said son, I thought that, because you say that a lot.

00:27:29.000 Oh, son? 1.00

00:27:31.000 Kill him with a combination of kicks and punches, son. 1.00

00:27:36.000 All right, here we go. 1.00

00:27:39.000 This should be a pretty good one.

00:27:40.000 I thought that was from wearing the waikku on his head one time I saw him fight, but I guess that's a real mark on his head. 1.00

00:27:45.000 Oh, okay.

00:27:51.000 Have you ever fought in Denver, Eve?

00:27:54.000 Yes.

00:27:54.000 I fought...

00:27:56.000 Nate and I fought in Denver.

00:27:58.000 I fought Nate.

00:27:58.000 Nate was 163 pounds.

00:28:01.000 I was like 162. Nate used to be 163. That's crazy.

00:28:05.000 He was like 19, though.

00:28:07.000 Wow.

00:28:08.000 He's back to 185 now, right?

00:28:10.000 Yeah.

00:28:11.000 He just...

00:28:12.000 He just won by knockout.

00:28:14.000 Yeah.

00:28:14.000 Amazing.

00:28:15.000 He'd be knocked out Tandon McCrory with a head kick. 0.98

00:28:17.000 McCrory. 1.00

00:28:18.000 That dude has been around a long fucking time. 0.99

00:28:21.000 Nate and I fought in 99. Wow. 0.99

00:28:24.000 That's amazing.

00:28:27.000 Nate Marquardt.

00:28:28.000 You know, Brendan Schaub said he's never seen Nate lose a single round in the gym.

00:28:33.000 And one of the things he said about Nate is that Nate is probably one of those guys that left too much in the gym.

00:28:39.000 Just had way too many gym wars with Shane Carwin. 0.65

00:28:42.000 He used to spar with Shane fucking Carwin, which is like, what? 0.82

00:28:46.000 I didn't realize how big he was until I saw that Ellis Mania thing. 0.96

00:28:49.000 Oh, he's so big. 1.00

00:28:50.000 Holy shit, he's fucking huge. 1.00

00:28:52.000 He knocks him out like this retard, like dirt. 1.00

00:28:57.000 Well, he had one arm tied to his body, which is even more insane. 0.99

00:29:01.000 They duct tape an arm to his body.

00:29:04.000 And there's two people they had to make gloves for in the UFC. It was him and Brock, right?

00:29:08.000 Yeah.

00:29:08.000 His hands are bigger than Brock's.

00:29:10.000 That's ridiculous. 0.98

00:29:11.000 He is huge. 0.97

00:29:12.000 I remember I was at... 0.99

00:29:13.000 Where the fuck was I? Oh, I was... 0.98

00:29:20.000 I was at Amal Easton's Jiu-Jitsu school in Boulder, and I was on the mat, and we were training, we were doing drills, and out of the corner of my eye, I see what looks like the Thing from the comic book movie, Fantastic Four.

00:29:35.000 It looks like the Thing. 0.97

00:29:36.000 Like if the Thing was a real person walking in, and I look up, what the fuck is that? 0.80

00:29:41.000 And it's Carwin in between fights, and he would get to like 300 plus pounds. 0.95

00:29:46.000 And, you know, because he was a giant.

00:29:48.000 I mean, he was giant. 0.99

00:29:50.000 And I saw him walking, and I just remember going, what in the fuck? 0.99

00:29:55.000 I can't imagine what Nate does with that guy. 0.99

00:29:58.000 The thing that was made out of rocks.

00:30:04.000 That was the size of him. 0.99

00:30:05.000 He was so fucking big. 0.99

00:30:08.000 Carwin has that weird power, too, where he can knock dudes out with six-inch punches. 0.99

00:30:15.000 He knocked out Gonzaga.

00:30:16.000 Gonzaga had him hurt.

00:30:18.000 As he's wobbling backwards, he uncorks a six-inch punch that Puts Gonzaga in the Darklands.

00:30:26.000 Stuff like that is so weird because think about the fight with him and Brock in Canada, in Vancouver.

00:30:33.000 Yeah.

00:30:33.000 And he beat the snot out of Brock for the first round.

00:30:36.000 He just didn't conserve himself enough.

00:30:37.000 Yeah, and he gassed, right?

00:30:38.000 Yeah.

00:30:39.000 I don't remember it.

00:30:39.000 Gassed hard, trying to put him away.

00:30:41.000 Yeah, first round.

00:30:42.000 And Brock isn't a guy that can take a lot of, like, a punishment like that.

00:30:47.000 You don't think Brock's that guy, but he survived it and just turned it back on.

00:30:52.000 Well, somehow or another.

00:30:53.000 Somehow or another he survived it. 0.99

00:30:55.000 But I feel like to this day that if Carwin just stayed calm and just kept that fight standing and striking, Brock was fucked. 0.97

00:31:02.000 Because he was a commensurate wrestler. 0.98

00:31:04.000 I mean, he might not have been as good a wrestler in wrestling as Brock is, but in MMA, he's right the fuck up there.

00:31:12.000 Good luck taking him down, especially when you gotta get close enough for him to tag you. 0.50

00:31:16.000 I feel like to this day that if he just stayed calm and just boxed the fuck out of Brock, he'd be the UFC heavyweight champion.

00:31:22.000 Oh, for sure. 0.77

00:31:23.000 But he just tried to just end it real quick, which makes sense.

00:31:27.000 Because when you see Brock run away from some of those shots that he ran away from before that, and Shane hits like he hits, you think he can just close his show.

00:31:38.000 And then he's big, right?

00:31:39.000 I mean, like, he's way bigger than Mark Hunt.

00:31:41.000 Yeah.

00:31:42.000 When Mark Hunt fought him, it was kind of the same scenario, but he didn't have the wrestling to stop the takedown.

00:31:46.000 Yeah, Mark Hunt was nowhere near the size. 0.98

00:31:50.000 Brock's so fucking big. 0.96

00:31:52.000 He's big in a way that even... 0.99

00:31:54.000 Shane is big in a different way.

00:31:56.000 It's bizarre.

00:31:57.000 Brock's even wider than Shane.

00:31:59.000 Yeah, I mean, when you cut to make 265...

00:32:02.000 Yeah.

00:32:03.000 Jesus.

00:32:05.000 Yeah.

00:32:05.000 Man.

00:32:06.000 What is that?

00:32:06.000 I don't know.

00:32:07.000 Yeah, I mean, they're still trying to figure out what Brock was, you know, like, they're trying to mount some sort of a defense.

00:32:15.000 They're coming up with, like, skin cream now.

00:32:18.000 They're saying skin cream made him piss hot.

00:32:22.000 Guys are so hilarious. 1.00

00:32:24.000 I got Clomid in my fucking skin cream. 0.99

00:32:27.000 I don't know what happened. 0.99

00:32:27.000 Well, what's funny is there actually was some sort of hormone peptide in the skin cream for psoriasis that Chad Mendez used. 0.99

00:32:40.000 Chad Mendez had some pretty serious psoriasis.

00:32:42.000 There's all these photos of him.

00:32:44.000 You can see him online. 1.00

00:32:45.000 Where he's wearing shorts and shit and it's just all over his legs. 0.99

00:32:48.000 It's real bad. 0.98

00:32:49.000 And you have to take, a lot of times you're taking what is essentially a steroid cream to try to heal the area.

00:32:56.000 And that is what made him test positive.

00:32:59.000 They found the cream, they tested the cream, and I'm like, yep, sure enough.

00:33:02.000 So it's a medication.

00:33:04.000 So he has a legitimate, I mean, he has a real ailment.

00:33:06.000 But he still has the service suspension.

00:33:08.000 He got the suspension anyway?

00:33:09.000 Yeah, I believe so.

00:33:10.000 Yeah, I believe so. 0.99

00:33:12.000 Well, USADA's no fucking joke, man. 0.97

00:33:14.000 Which is really funny watching all these guys go over to Bellator. 0.98

00:33:18.000 I think it's going to be interesting.

00:33:20.000 It's going to be interesting to see what Bellator does with like Vanderlei and all these other guys that are going over there now.

00:33:25.000 Chael's first fight back with Bellator.

00:33:27.000 I started laughing as I saw it.

00:33:29.000 Yeah, of course.

00:33:29.000 I kind of chuckled.

00:33:30.000 Well, Chael said that they're testing him like crazy.

00:33:34.000 Right.

00:33:34.000 But I mean, they might...

00:33:36.000 They might have fucking sent him a text message. 0.99

00:33:38.000 Hey yo, we're testing you like crazy in three days, wink wink. 0.99

00:33:42.000 It's not USADA. Well, I think it's the Athletic Commission, right?

00:33:45.000 It's not even, it's not USADA. No.

00:33:47.000 No one's doing it the way the UFC's doing it.

00:33:49.000 And the way UFC's doing it, I mean, in a lot of ways, it's dangerous to their brand.

00:33:53.000 You know, I mean, in a lot of ways, a lot of people would say it's not a good idea financially, but it just shows their commitment to trying to clean it up.

00:34:00.000 I think California is doing randoms too now, just as the athletic commissioner.

00:34:05.000 Yeah, the commissioner came here from Georgia and he's...

00:34:08.000 Cracking down.

00:34:09.000 Yeah.

00:34:09.000 That's awesome.

00:34:10.000 I just think the problem with the USADA thing is that if your boss...

00:34:14.000 The people that pay USADA to test is the UFC. I think it's a conflict of interest at some level.

00:34:20.000 It should be a state sanction or somebody away from both parties.

00:34:26.000 Because who makes the choice on who gets tested?

00:34:29.000 When you fail a drug test in California, for example, the California Athletic Commission is going to contact Bellator and say, this guy's not fighting, he failed a drug test.

00:34:40.000 When you fail a test for USADA, they're going to call the UFC and be like, hey, so this guy failed the drug test, what do you want to do about it?

00:34:47.000 And that's not, that becomes a problem.

00:34:49.000 Yeah, this guy's test shows he has cocaine in his system, and then he fights for a little bit.

00:34:54.000 Let's just lose those results until after this main event.

00:34:56.000 Yeah, but that's different because it's out of competition.

00:34:59.000 There's certain rules, oh, what happened to him?

00:35:01.000 I think you're heading to nuts.

00:35:03.000 I thought he's knee buckled. 0.86

00:35:04.000 I thought he got hit with a push kick to the leg.

00:35:06.000 But I think there's out of competition testing and then there's in competition testing.

00:35:12.000 And when you get tested for something in competition, it's very different than out of competition when it comes to recreational drugs.

00:35:20.000 But when it comes to performance enhancing drugs, like even if it's out of competition, like say if you're five weeks out, you test positive for cocaine, that's not going to affect your performance in the ring in a way that's going to damage your opponent.

00:35:31.000 But if you test positive for some sort of a steroid, then it will.

00:35:36.000 Makes sense.

00:35:37.000 It kind of makes sense.

00:35:38.000 It makes sense until you talk to Nick Diaz. 1.00

00:35:40.000 Well that was just the most ridiculous shit. 1.00

00:35:42.000 Was that USANA? No, that was the Nevada State Athletic Commission. 1.00

00:35:46.000 Not only that, USADA and Nowitzki were...

00:35:49.000 Nowitzki's 100% against it. 0.90

00:35:50.000 He thinks it was ridiculous.

00:35:52.000 Well, that same fight, then Nick failed for that, and the Athletic Commission suspended Nick for five years.

00:35:58.000 Anderson failed a drug test for steroids, and they had lost his results until after the fight.

00:36:03.000 Look at this knee buckle. 1.00

00:36:04.000 Watch this shit. 1.00

00:36:04.000 That's what I'm talking about. 1.00

00:36:05.000 Did you see this?

00:36:06.000 Did you see that?

00:36:07.000 How his knee just buckled there?

00:36:08.000 That was awful.

00:36:10.000 Yeah, it was horrible.

00:36:11.000 I mean, Anderson was doing, well, I don't know if he was doing, but he had steroids in his system, right?

00:36:16.000 For whatever reason.

00:36:17.000 He said it's from Chinese Cialis.

00:36:20.000 Which is hilarious.

00:36:22.000 I would like to see if someone should publish a list of all the excuses fighters have made for pissing hot.

00:36:29.000 That would be really good.

00:36:30.000 Make a t-shirt.

00:36:31.000 Yeah, right?

00:36:32.000 Like a tour?

00:36:34.000 Like a world tour t-shirt, have the back, all the different excuses. 0.97

00:36:39.000 Tim Sylvia failed for like windstraw or something and he said he was doing it just to get so his body would look better because he was getting so much shit about looking fat. 0.98

00:36:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:36:48.000 Well, the Tim Sylvia that knocked out Rico Rodriguez was a monster.

00:36:52.000 Yeah.

00:36:52.000 You go back to that Tim Sylvia, that Tim Sylvia was one of the scariest heavyweights ever.

00:36:56.000 I think that was when he got popped.

00:36:58.000 I think that was when he got popped.

00:37:00.000 Was it?

00:37:00.000 Yeah.

00:37:01.000 Well, I remember that fight because I remember he had a hard time making 265. He had a cut weight to make 265, and he wasn't fat at all back then.

00:37:09.000 I mean, he wasn't shredded, but for Tim Sylvia, I mean, he was real lean.

00:37:16.000 Watching Tim Sylvia walk around, he doesn't look like an athlete.

00:37:19.000 He doesn't look like he would have ever been a heavyweight champion in the UFC. But, man, he hits hard.

00:37:24.000 Oh, fuck yeah. 0.99

00:37:25.000 Well, dude, I talked to Kelly Starr about that, who's a real famous strength and conditioning coach and knows a lot about physiology. 0.99

00:37:34.000 And he thinks that... 0.99

00:37:36.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:37:37.000 He thinks that Tim Sylvia, that pigeon-toed thing that he did, he thinks that's correctable. 1.00

00:37:44.000 He's like, you just got to retrain your body how to walk and stand.

00:37:47.000 And for some reason he never did that.

00:37:49.000 But Starr really believes that.

00:37:51.000 Like, the mechanics of your body, like, you've kind of been cut into a groove where your body's gotten accustomed to walking and standing in that way.

00:38:00.000 But if you adjusted that and trained that, he would be a way better athlete.

00:38:03.000 And he would move like, you know, like a Travis Brown or something like that.

00:38:06.000 He's a big, tall guy who moves great.

00:38:08.000 Yeah, but I mean, as a grown man, you think he can retrain?

00:38:13.000 I understand you can do it.

00:38:14.000 For sure, if you wanted to.

00:38:15.000 It takes a lot of effort.

00:38:16.000 I mean, I listen to Kelly. 0.99

00:38:17.000 I think Kelly knows what the fuck he's talking about. 0.99

00:38:19.000 I don't know if he's right, but I mean, I would imagine there's something to that. 0.99

00:38:24.000 You're short of him having some scar tissue or whatever that forces him to walk that way?

00:38:28.000 I think he could change it, but I don't think it's likely that...

00:38:30.000 A grown man has already been successful.

00:38:32.000 He's going to be like, you know, I wish I could walk a little less goofy.

00:38:35.000 Let me fix this here.

00:38:36.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

00:38:37.000 What makes you walk pigeon-toed? 0.72

00:38:38.000 Jamie, pull that up.

00:38:40.000 Tim Sylvia goes and fixes his walk, and next year we see him in the NFL. Yeah.

00:38:44.000 Well, I don't know about all that. 0.78

00:38:46.000 The last thing, I think that dude needs to get hit more. 0.98

00:38:48.000 Get hit in the head more, yeah. 0.89

00:38:49.000 Yeah, that Ray Mercer fight. 0.63

00:38:51.000 That was the end of all that.

00:38:53.000 Ooh, that was a nice...

00:38:54.000 Snuck that kick in there.

00:38:56.000 Didn't land, though.

00:38:59.000 Oh, we should probably say we're watching round three.

00:39:02.000 It's 27, 26, 25, 24, 22 seconds to go.

00:39:10.000 Does it explain in what causes it?

00:39:12.000 What causes pigeon toe?

00:39:13.000 Pigeon toe is caused by one of three conditions.

00:39:23.000 Metatarsus, adductus, tibial torsion, or femoral anteversion.

00:39:30.000 Each condition is specific to its location.

00:39:33.000 Here's a brief description of each.

00:39:35.000 The foot.

00:39:35.000 Pigeon toes occur when the foot tends to resemble a kidney, or when a metatarsus adductus has an inward curve at the outer edge of the foot.

00:39:48.000 If your child has this condition, you'll probably notice it While your child is still a baby, sometimes the doctor will try braces or special shoes while the child is still a baby, six to nine months old, to help you manipulate the bones into growing straight.

00:40:01.000 The condition will not clear up on its own.

00:40:07.000 Requires treatment, the nature of which varies depending upon whether the condition is flexible or fixed.

00:40:12.000 Most flexible cases respond to conservative treatment, which indicates passive stretching, bracing, and specialized shoes.

00:40:19.000 The fixed type requires serial plaster casting.

00:40:22.000 If conservative treatment does not help, then re-evaluation is in order to make sure the patient does not have true club foot instead of metatarsis adductus.

00:40:32.000 Huh.

00:40:35.000 Interesting.

00:40:35.000 I just, right now, I like looking behind the veil, man.

00:40:39.000 There are times when I'm listening to your podcast and you go into one of those, and I'm like, what is he doing?

00:40:47.000 Where is that coming from?

00:40:48.000 Oh, now you know?

00:40:49.000 Now I know.

00:40:50.000 I see how it works.

00:40:51.000 It's called the internet.

00:40:52.000 It's like magic, man.

00:40:53.000 Yeah, but...

00:40:54.000 Google.

00:40:54.000 Like, are you Googling?

00:40:55.000 Because you're asking someone else to do it.

00:40:57.000 So I'm like, how are you asking someone else to do it?

00:40:59.000 And then you're reading it.

00:41:00.000 Oh, there you go.

00:41:00.000 I get it now.

00:41:01.000 Now we get it.

00:41:02.000 I'm not going to give away the secret.

00:41:03.000 I just get it.

00:41:05.000 Powerful Dwayne Ludwig with Whitney Miller.

00:41:07.000 Yeah, Whitney Miller. 0.95

00:41:08.000 You know that?

00:41:09.000 I love Dwayne, man.

00:41:10.000 He's a good dude.

00:41:11.000 He's a wizard.

00:41:12.000 That guy is a striking wizard.

00:41:14.000 He broke my orbital.

00:41:16.000 Did he?

00:41:16.000 Yeah.

00:41:17.000 That's not very nice.

00:41:18.000 Nah.

00:41:19.000 What did he hit you with?

00:41:21.000 I was in his guard.

00:41:22.000 I'm on top.

00:41:23.000 I'm in his guard.

00:41:24.000 And he throws a punch.

00:41:25.000 He throws it this way.

00:41:26.000 So he turns his knuckles over.

00:41:27.000 Like casting style?

00:41:29.000 Yes.

00:41:29.000 And all the knuckle hit me right in the eyeball.

00:41:32.000 I'm on top of him and I'm like throwing shots and then he throws that punch and he hits me and I put my head down on his belly and hold on his biceps. 0.98

00:41:39.000 I'm like, fuck, that hurt. 0.98

00:41:41.000 That really hurt. 0.99

00:41:42.000 Like, that was one of those moments in a fight where it's like, that hurt.

00:41:45.000 That really hurt, yeah.

00:41:46.000 And I couldn't see straight for the rest of the night.

00:41:47.000 That was the first round.

00:41:48.000 From the bottom, he hit you with that.

00:41:50.000 From the bottom.

00:41:50.000 He was in his guard, closed guard.

00:41:52.000 He threw up that punch, hit me right in the eyeball. 1.00

00:41:54.000 See, that's that bug jitsu shit. 1.00

00:41:56.000 That looks crazy. 0.99

00:41:58.000 Doctor said, um, two things happen.

00:42:01.000 Either the eyeball ruptures or you fracture your orbital to relieve the pressure.

00:42:04.000 So I got lucky.

00:42:06.000 My brother-in-law.

00:42:07.000 My brother-in-law, Aaron, he was a, yeah, I think he's like mid-30s.

00:42:11.000 He, uh, has a, uh, maybe late 30s. 0.99

00:42:14.000 Oh, that's fucked. 0.99

00:42:15.000 You see that? 1.00

00:42:16.000 That knee?

00:42:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:42:17.000 I fucking hate that. 0.99

00:42:18.000 Nasty. 1.00

00:42:18.000 Why would you even do that? 1.00

00:42:20.000 I hate that.

00:42:21.000 Anyway, he's a, uh, pitcher, like a pickup league, like, uh, just for fun league.

00:42:25.000 He's been, uh, playing baseball for a long time. 0.73

00:42:28.000 And he throws a pitch and it gets hit line drive right back at him on a fucking Sunday afternoon, hits him square in the eye, like ruptures his eye, lost his eye, he's had like 10 surgeries. 0.98

00:42:38.000 Lost his eyeball? 0.99

00:42:39.000 Lost his eyeball.

00:42:40.000 Now they're like talking, he might be able to keep the eye with like filling it because it opened in the back like a flap. 0.99

00:42:47.000 And like all the shit leaked out. 0.81

00:42:49.000 And then they had to fill it with this oil and they're trying to hope that they can at least save the eye but the vision's gone. 0.99

00:42:54.000 Awful, right?

00:42:55.000 Awful.

00:42:56.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:42:57.000 From a stupid sport like baseball. 1.00

00:42:59.000 Yeah, for fun. 1.00

00:43:00.000 Like a fun game on a fucking Sunday. 1.00

00:43:02.000 It's terrible. 1.00

00:43:03.000 Terrible.

00:43:03.000 Yeah, man.

00:43:04.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:43:06.000 But fuck that kick, too. 1.00

00:43:08.000 You don't like that kick to the thigh? 1.00

00:43:09.000 I hate that kick. 0.99

00:43:10.000 To the thigh, it's cool, but when you're trying to extend the guy's knee like that, I think it's shitty. 0.98

00:43:14.000 Isn't that illegal in Glory?

00:43:16.000 Well, I mean, it really depends on where he's hitting them.

00:43:19.000 It's such a weird thing because if your leg is slightly bent and the guy catches you above the thigh with that push kick, it's gonna extend your leg and it's gonna hurt.

00:43:31.000 It's not, I mean, the way he did it, that was really nasty.

00:43:35.000 I mean, that was one of the worst ones I've seen.

00:43:36.000 Did you ever see that one with Miguel Torres?

00:43:39.000 Yeah, we watched it when I, for the first time I was on your podcast, it was awful.

00:43:43.000 But that, ugh, every time I see it, it just bugs me.

00:43:46.000 I had a knee surgery, and we were talking earlier about how long it takes you to come back mentally.

00:43:51.000 Forever. 0.94

00:43:51.000 And I was out for a year from ACL and MCL tear, but like in that, Last three months, especially that last camp getting back into the ring, like every time you feel like any kind of twist or pop or any scar tissue that breaks, like you just freak out and you make like a girly noise like if I was a fucking spider ran across the room. 0.94

00:44:10.000 And yeah, it's really hard. 0.97

00:44:12.000 So every time I see any kind of shit like that on the knee, it bugs me. 0.99

00:44:15.000 Yeah, that's why people are so terrified of heel hooks. 0.99

00:44:19.000 Heel hooks scare people more than anything because with the difference between tapping and not tapping quick enough is you being crippled for a year.

00:44:30.000 Super effective move, but that's why a guy like Husamara Palhares is so hated. 0.99

00:44:35.000 He's one of the most hated guys in the history of the sport because he holds on to heel hooks.

00:44:40.000 Those are the two guys that I hate. 1.00

00:44:43.000 This shit. 1.00

00:44:43.000 The flashy dancers and the heel hookers. 1.00

00:44:45.000 This shit is going to be crazy. 1.00

00:44:47.000 It's going to be nuts. 1.00

00:44:47.000 Rico Verhoeven and Botter Hart. 1.00

00:44:49.000 You've seen Botter lately?

00:44:50.000 Oh my god.

00:44:50.000 It looks like he's on all the steroids.

00:44:53.000 Oh, for sure, for sure.

00:44:54.000 For sure, for sure, for sure.

00:44:56.000 For sure, for sure.

00:44:58.000 He's so much bigger than he's ever been before. 0.95

00:45:00.000 And I can't fucking wait to watch it. 0.91

00:45:01.000 The bigger he gets, the more I want to watch it. 0.97

00:45:02.000 Oh, it's going to be...

00:45:03.000 Look at him!

00:45:03.000 Look at him in that picture!

00:45:05.000 Look at that fucking picture from his Instagram. 1.00

00:45:07.000 Holy shit! 1.00

00:45:08.000 He looks like he gained 15-20 pounds of muscle. 0.99

00:45:11.000 At least.

00:45:11.000 And you look at his last fight, he did not look like that at all.

00:45:14.000 Well, what I love about this fight, too, is first of all, Rico's in his fucking prime. 0.95

00:45:18.000 But Botter's been training for this fight for six months. 0.97

00:45:22.000 Like, he's been putting it up on his Instagram, and he hasn't fought in forever.

00:45:27.000 Look at this.

00:45:27.000 When he was fighting with shin protection and headgear, it was already a household name.

00:45:31.000 It doesn't matter. 1.00

00:45:32.000 Rico, you cannot deny Rico Verhoeven is a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:45:36.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:45:36.000 I mean, he is so high level right now. 0.99

00:45:39.000 And his endurance and pace and athleticism for a heavyweight is really rare.

00:45:44.000 He's something special.

00:45:46.000 Yeah, he's super athletic, and he's a giant dude. 0.99

00:45:49.000 Like, he's a fucking giant dude. 0.99

00:45:50.000 So's Botter. 1.00

00:45:51.000 And Botter's a savage. 0.96

00:45:55.000 Like, just a straight savage. 0.76

00:45:56.000 I'm getting, like, super excited. 0.99

00:45:58.000 I'm fucking... 0.97

00:45:59.000 Yeah, we gotta do one for that, right? 0.98

00:46:00.000 Botter's, like, my hero, man.

00:46:01.000 Let's do one for that. 0.98

00:46:02.000 And I figure the more juiced up he gets, the more I'm like, fuck yeah, I can't wait. 0.99

00:46:05.000 I can't wait. 0.77

00:46:06.000 Because I thought I was a little worried that Rico's in his prime and Bader hasn't fought in a while and his last fight didn't look that great.

00:46:13.000 Oh, goddammit.

00:46:13.000 And now he's looking all big.

00:46:14.000 I'm like, fuck. 0.99

00:46:15.000 That's the same night as the UFC in Toronto. 1.00

00:46:18.000 Cancel it.

00:46:19.000 I should.

00:46:19.000 I'm thinking of it now.

00:46:21.000 Joe, we talked about this.

00:46:23.000 You're only going to do UFCs when it's in Vegas and close to home for you, right?

00:46:26.000 You're not going to go out of the country.

00:46:27.000 Well, North America.

00:46:30.000 Canada?

00:46:30.000 That's Canada.

00:46:30.000 That's Canada, bro.

00:46:32.000 Canada's North America.

00:46:34.000 They're sort of America.

00:46:36.000 Go commit a misdemeanor and you won't be able to go.

00:46:38.000 It won't be your fault.

00:46:38.000 They're one of our friends.

00:46:40.000 They're our people.

00:46:42.000 This is going to be really excited about this fight.

00:46:44.000 Man, I'm really thinking about canceling the UFC to watch that fight. 0.99

00:46:47.000 How fucked up am I? I feel like calling the UFC, hey, Brian Stan, what's up, dude? 0.97

00:46:52.000 What you doing December 10th?

00:46:55.000 Do it.

00:46:58.000 Oh, it's December 10th?

00:46:59.000 Yeah.

00:47:00.000 My fight's December 10th. 0.99

00:47:01.000 Oh, well, what the fuck, dude? 0.99

00:47:02.000 I'm not gonna better watch it either. 1.00

00:47:03.000 Are you on Bellator?

00:47:04.000 I'm canceling the fight. 1.00

00:47:05.000 Fuck it. 1.00

00:47:08.000 That's crazy that Bellator is doing that on the same night as Glory? 1.00

00:47:11.000 Yeah, it's my fight in Italy for Bellator.

00:47:16.000 They're doing like a, I think it's three events or two events.

00:47:19.000 Is it going to be Bellator kickboxing or is it Bellator MMA? It's Bellator MMA and Bellator kickboxing.

00:47:24.000 So they combine it.

00:47:25.000 So like one kickboxing fight, one like Shockwave did or?

00:47:28.000 Yeah, I believe so.

00:47:30.000 Are you going to fight on local time or are you going to fight for the US time?

00:47:33.000 I think they're actually gonna, I think they play it a week later for TV time or for the US time.

00:47:39.000 So you'll be able to watch it?

00:47:41.000 Yeah.

00:47:41.000 Because you'll fight and it'll be morning here or early in the morning when you're fighting, probably.

00:47:47.000 Right.

00:47:49.000 This is my buddy Casey Green.

00:47:50.000 He's been my sparring partner in the last three or four fights.

00:47:53.000 He's a really good dude.

00:47:55.000 Is he taller than you?

00:47:56.000 This guy?

00:47:56.000 Casey?

00:47:57.000 No.

00:47:58.000 I think I have about an inch on him.

00:47:59.000 He's gotten a lot better over the last two years.

00:48:02.000 He works so hard.

00:48:03.000 He's real consistent.

00:48:05.000 I'm really excited.

00:48:06.000 This has got a tough fight on his hands.

00:48:08.000 This Thai guy he's fighting has got like 170 fights.

00:48:11.000 God.

00:48:12.000 That's so crazy.

00:48:13.000 And Casey's out of Saxons and Van Nuys, right?

00:48:16.000 Mm-hmm.

00:48:17.000 Bamba said he's been coming up to train with you. 0.99

00:48:20.000 Yeah, Bamba's been fucking... 0.94

00:48:21.000 I'm gonna come by. 0.96

00:48:22.000 Yeah, you should come through.

00:48:23.000 We've been...

00:48:23.000 My coach has been torturing us, but we're getting some really good work in.

00:48:27.000 Bamba's a real cool cat.

00:48:28.000 Yeah, I like that.

00:48:29.000 Who's Bamba? 0.97

00:48:30.000 Bamba. 0.84

00:48:31.000 He was this kid on Chael's team on the Ultimate Fight of Brazil.

00:48:34.000 Oh, okay.

00:48:35.000 I guess he lived with Chael or lived up there where Chael was and was a training partner for a long time.

00:48:41.000 Yeah, now he's here.

00:48:42.000 Chael's such a character.

00:48:43.000 He's like a world champion jiu-jitsu guy.

00:48:46.000 And he's like, oh, I want to work on my kickboxing.

00:48:48.000 I'm like, cool.

00:48:48.000 And we start doing drills.

00:48:49.000 I'm like, this motherfucker's good. 1.00

00:48:50.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:48:52.000 This Thai kid is 20 years old and he has 100 in what fights? 1.00

00:48:56.000 170 or 160. That is...

00:48:58.000 Fucking incredible, right? 0.99

00:49:00.000 That's insane. 0.99

00:49:01.000 The first Thai tape I ever watched from a friend from Thailand They had like two 17 year olds. 0.99

00:49:06.000 They had like a hundred and something fights Well in Thailand your prime is like 16 17 18 You know, if you're 23 years old, you're like, over the hill, like you're fucking getting older.

00:49:17.000 What about a guy like Sanchai, who's 36?

00:49:19.000 Well, even Sanchai is like, I don't think he's like, maybe Sanchai still is, but for the most part, those guys that like Sanchai or Bukal or whatever, those guys aren't even like the prime in Thailand anymore.

00:49:30.000 They've gotten so old and so big that now they fight the foreigners everywhere. 1.00

00:49:34.000 That's interesting.

00:49:36.000 Top level in Thailand is like 113 pounds.

00:49:39.000 Look at his record!

00:49:43.000 134 wins, 32 losses, zero draws with 45 KOs.

00:49:48.000 That is incredible at 20 years old.

00:49:51.000 I have a lot of fights and he has as many KOs as I have fights.

00:49:54.000 You're right?

00:49:56.000 That's insane.

00:49:57.000 And he's 20. That's crazy.

00:50:01.000 That means he was born in 1996. That's insane.

00:50:07.000 So when he was born...

00:50:08.000 I don't know, but I'm assuming...

00:50:10.000 So when he was like... 0.51

00:50:11.000 Probably like eight years old or five years old his parents like put took him to a Muay Thai camp and that camp probably took raised him and sent him to school or whatnot and then every day after school since he was like five years old he fucking trained Muay Thai. 0.69

00:50:25.000 Look at Casey's record.

00:50:27.000 Five wins six losses.

00:50:30.000 Two knockouts.

00:50:32.000 Crazy.

00:50:34.000 Boy, that's a big step up for him, man. 0.88

00:50:36.000 He's got the size advantage for sure in this one.

00:50:40.000 Usually those ties, when they switch over to kickboxing the first time, they don't do that well because it's so different, the rule set and stuff.

00:50:48.000 How good are the tie fighters when they start getting bigger in the heavier weights?

00:50:55.000 This is 170, right?

00:50:56.000 Yeah.

00:50:56.000 That's big for a tie.

00:50:58.000 Oh, yeah.

00:50:58.000 And he's not...

00:50:59.000 He's probably, you know, 8. He didn't cut an ounce.

00:51:02.000 Yeah.

00:51:03.000 He probably over 8 and weighed in with his keys on to make 70. Which is like a normal thing, you know?

00:51:09.000 Yeah, he weighed 169, too.

00:51:11.000 But, yeah, they're just not that big of people.

00:51:12.000 So, like, even Bukow...

00:51:14.000 There's not too many guys the Bukhau size.

00:51:17.000 Yeah, he's pretty yoked.

00:51:17.000 You'll see guys that used to be 150 pounds and then they just got super fat and now they're fighting at 185. But they have 100 fights, so even super fat, they're dangerous.

00:51:26.000 How do you say his name?

00:51:28.000 Sitsong Pinong.

00:51:31.000 That's a really famous camp in Thailand.

00:51:34.000 So in Thailand, the fighters, their last names are usually the gym name that they represent.

00:51:40.000 It's like the Brazilians, except the Brazilians kind of just pick their name.

00:51:45.000 Like Gleason Tebao.

00:51:47.000 Gleason Tebao's not his real name?

00:51:49.000 No.

00:51:50.000 Or Tiago Alves.

00:51:52.000 What's Gleason Tebao's name?

00:51:53.000 That's not Tiago Alves' last name?

00:51:54.000 No, that's not.

00:51:55.000 Really?

00:51:56.000 I forget Tebao's real name.

00:51:58.000 Tiago Alves?

00:51:59.000 That's not his real name?

00:52:00.000 What is this?

00:52:01.000 What are you talking about?

00:52:02.000 Are you serious?

00:52:03.000 He's dropping it.

00:52:04.000 This is an exclusive right here.

00:52:05.000 How dare you? 1.00

00:52:06.000 Tiago's listening right now going, shut the fuck up, Eve! 1.00

00:52:10.000 Shut the fuck up, man! 1.00

00:52:11.000 I'm fighting next month! 1.00

00:52:13.000 So you mean when they come and they change their visa or whatever into the US, they choose their own names?

00:52:20.000 I don't know if that's legal even because next time you travel, next time you go to the UFC, look at the list.

00:52:27.000 If you look at the list, you can see the guy's real names for travel. 1.00

00:52:33.000 Man, Sitsong Pinong is a bad motherfucker. 1.00

00:52:37.000 I know. 1.00

00:52:38.000 He's got a quick trigger on that right kick, man.

00:52:41.000 When he slams it into the forearm, you can see Casey just reacting to it.

00:52:47.000 Good overhand right, too.

00:52:51.000 You see Tiago down to 155 pounds now?

00:52:54.000 Yeah.

00:52:55.000 Whatever his real name is?

00:52:57.000 Oh, what's his name?

00:53:01.000 He's down at 155, man.

00:53:04.000 He looks great.

00:53:05.000 Yeah, he looks good.

00:53:06.000 Such a much better weight for him.

00:53:08.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.85

00:53:08.000 I bet he's going to be a killer at 155. I'm looking forward to this fight. 0.85

00:53:12.000 Yeah.

00:53:12.000 Look at his real name.

00:53:13.000 Look at his real name.

00:53:15.000 Wow, his middle name is Herculano. 0.88

00:53:17.000 That's a dope name.

00:53:18.000 Oh, that's Gleason Tebow.

00:53:20.000 Yeah, I know.

00:53:21.000 That is Tebow's middle name. 1.00

00:53:21.000 What the fuck name is that? 1.00

00:53:23.000 Gleason Tebow. 1.00

00:53:25.000 His real name is Johnny...

00:53:27.000 Johnny Gleason.

00:53:29.000 That's his name, Johnny Gleason.

00:53:33.000 Johnny Gleason Herculano Alves.

00:53:38.000 So he went with Gleason Tebow.

00:53:40.000 Why didn't he even go with Alves?

00:53:42.000 Gleason Alves.

00:53:43.000 Because Tebow, I mean, Thiago's already...

00:53:45.000 Oh, Casey's hurt.

00:53:46.000 He got rocked.

00:53:48.000 Yeah, that fucking leg kick stunned him, and then he ate... 1.00

00:53:51.000 He ate that right hand. 1.00

00:53:55.000 It's like he's back, though.

00:53:58.000 Um...

00:53:59.000 Come on, Casey.

00:54:00.000 Schilling, who's the best Muay Thai commentator?

00:54:03.000 Is it Vinny Shorman?

00:54:04.000 I really enjoy Vinny.

00:54:05.000 I think Vinny's really good. 1.00

00:54:07.000 He knows his shit, that's for sure. 1.00

00:54:09.000 Absolutely. 1.00

00:54:10.000 It's hard finding really good guys.

00:54:13.000 I mean, obviously, Valtellini's super knowledgeable.

00:54:17.000 Oh, he got tagged. 1.00

00:54:18.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:54:20.000 Oh, at the bell. 1.00

00:54:23.000 Yeah, they call that a slip.

00:54:24.000 Oh, he's hurt, man.

00:54:25.000 He's hurt.

00:54:26.000 They call it a slip?

00:54:27.000 Yeah, they call it a throw.

00:54:29.000 That is not a slip.

00:54:30.000 He was cracked.

00:54:32.000 That referee is pro-America.

00:54:37.000 America.

00:54:38.000 America.

00:54:39.000 Let's make America great again at Muay Thai.

00:54:41.000 Let's make America great with his right hand.

00:54:43.000 Come on, son.

00:54:44.000 He's hurt there.

00:54:46.000 Well, maybe.

00:54:46.000 Well, yeah, they can't call it a knockdown, though.

00:54:48.000 Can't really call it a knockdown.

00:54:49.000 He threw another shot after, right?

00:54:50.000 Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of slipping.

00:54:52.000 Yeah, he did fall down from a slip.

00:54:54.000 Good job, ref.

00:54:55.000 Yeah, I get it.

00:54:55.000 Go America.

00:54:56.000 Go America.

00:54:57.000 Go America.

00:54:58.000 I'll give it to him.

00:55:01.000 Come on, Casey.

00:55:06.000 Is it hard?

00:55:07.000 Okay, so, in a Muay Thai fight, or a kickboxing fight, like in Glory, when you watch MMA and your guy's getting beaten on his feet, and your teammate's getting beaten on his feet, you're like, get the takedown.

00:55:18.000 You figure, like, there's another way.

00:55:20.000 When a guy's getting beat up on their feet in Muay Thai, what are you thinking?

00:55:23.000 Yeah, there's no other way. 0.99

00:55:26.000 We've got to figure this shit out. 0.99

00:55:28.000 We've got to change something here. 0.99

00:55:29.000 I like to see Casey start using this movement and don't be so predictable for that stand-in-front-of-you Thai style. 1.00

00:55:36.000 Yeah.

00:55:37.000 Well, there's also...

00:55:38.000 Casey's chart needs to be like more American right now, not try to fight a Muay Thai style against this guy because it's just too much experience.

00:55:45.000 Do you think that guys automatically try to fight the style of the Thais because, I mean, that's what they idolize, right? 1.00

00:55:52.000 I mean, like everybody who's a Muay Thai fighter, they idolize the greats.

00:55:56.000 You know, they idolize these high-level guys and then they wind up fighting them one day.

00:56:04.000 Yeah, I don't think it's intentional, per se, but I think you end up doing that.

00:56:09.000 We should just watch a bunch of Romo and Decker's fights.

00:56:14.000 Time, what's going on?

00:56:16.000 Is there a cut?

00:56:17.000 No, Casey was complaining about clinching and kneeing. 1.00

00:56:22.000 The referee had stopped it, but he didn't stop.

00:56:24.000 The Thai guy didn't stop. 1.00

00:56:27.000 He doesn't know what the fuck. 1.00

00:56:28.000 He has no fucking clue what he's saying right now. 1.00

00:56:30.000 He's just looking at... 1.00

00:56:31.000 He's hearing...

00:56:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:38.000 I winning.

00:56:39.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:41.000 Let me keep fight.

00:56:43.000 I think it's what you were asking, Joe.

00:56:45.000 I think it's kind of like the Wonderboy thing, too.

00:56:47.000 When you're in that moment, you don't realize that you're kind of playing the other guy's game sometimes.

00:56:53.000 Yeah.

00:56:56.000 There's a thing that you see with guys like Sitsong, Pinong, when you see guys that have been doing it their whole life, where their trigger is so fast. 0.55

00:57:06.000 Like the way he throws that kick, that switch kick that he just threw, and the way he throws, it's like they have such fluidity because their technique is so a part of who they are and how they develop as a human.

00:57:19.000 Like you just throw that right kick to the arms.

00:57:22.000 It's like it becomes like a part of how they move.

00:57:26.000 I mean, he's probably been moving, throwing kicks and punches and avoiding them and clenching.

00:57:31.000 He just did it again.

00:57:32.000 He just clenched him and hit him with the knee there.

00:57:33.000 I mean, he's been doing that since he was a baby.

00:57:37.000 Yeah, it's just that fight IQ is just so much higher, you know?

00:57:41.000 The fight IQ and also the efficiency of the movement.

00:57:46.000 You watch Casey, and I've seen some of his other fights, and he usually fights at a much longer range.

00:57:51.000 He's really close to this dude.

00:57:55.000 He's so punished already.

00:57:57.000 That's part of the problem.

00:57:59.000 We're deep into the second round.

00:58:00.000 He's just been beaten up so much.

00:58:02.000 And the last thing you want to do with a tie with that much experience is to clinch.

00:58:05.000 And Glory rules you not for the clinch anyway, but that's what you...

00:58:09.000 Ends up happening.

00:58:10.000 For some reason you keep doing the same thing.

00:58:13.000 But yeah, Casey usually has a lot better movement and moving side to side, but I think he's getting flustered here.

00:58:18.000 Or maybe he's looking for the big shot, but it's not coming.

00:58:22.000 Get aggressive with some straights. 1.00

00:58:24.000 Oh, shit! 1.00

00:58:25.000 Did he hurt his knee? 1.00

00:58:27.000 What the fuck was that? 0.99

00:58:28.000 Did he hurt his knee there? 0.99

00:58:29.000 I'm sure.

00:58:31.000 Something is like his leg just gave out. 0.81

00:58:33.000 He's still ugly.

00:58:36.000 What is that from? 0.97

00:58:37.000 Was that from a punch?

00:58:38.000 I didn't even see it. 1.00

00:58:39.000 Oh, he's fucked. 1.00

00:58:39.000 He's still fucked. 1.00

00:58:40.000 But look, he's trying to move. 1.00

00:58:41.000 Yeah.

00:58:42.000 Oh, the ref should have stopped it. 0.64

00:58:44.000 Oh, he just got stunned.

00:58:48.000 Oh, he's hurt.

00:58:49.000 He's hurt.

00:58:49.000 But it seems like he's not just...

00:58:51.000 See, his leg's fucked up. 0.99

00:58:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:58:52.000 Yeah, he's got something wrong with his leg.

00:58:54.000 Come on, ref.

00:58:55.000 Ooh, his leg went backwards there, too.

00:58:57.000 Come on, ref.

00:58:57.000 Yeah.

00:58:58.000 Is the ref going to stop it?

00:59:00.000 No.

00:59:02.000 Oh, man. 0.99

00:59:03.000 Yeah, his leg is fucked up. 1.00

00:59:04.000 Yeah, his leg's fucked up. 1.00

00:59:06.000 Oh, he's too tough for his own good. 0.98

00:59:07.000 He's got 10 seconds left of the round.

00:59:09.000 Referee stopped the fight. 1.00

00:59:10.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:59:11.000 Right before he got KO'd. 1.00

00:59:16.000 Ooh.

00:59:17.000 Yeah.

00:59:18.000 When a guy is that hindered by something, you gotta kind of stop the fight.

00:59:23.000 What happened with his leg?

00:59:25.000 I'm sure they're gonna show us.

00:59:27.000 But that was one of the weirdest...

00:59:29.000 The way he went down.

00:59:30.000 Yeah.

00:59:31.000 And also the way he was trying to get up and it just wasn't working.

00:59:35.000 It was like his ACL had blown out or something.

00:59:38.000 It's like when you just kind of tease a cockroach with bug spray. 1.00

00:59:43.000 What the fuck are you doing? 1.00

00:59:46.000 I grew up in the Bahamas, man. 1.00

00:59:48.000 What the fuck? 1.00

00:59:49.000 What the fuck, dude? 1.00

00:59:51.000 And we're all like, yeah, yeah, I know. 1.00

00:59:53.000 I do that.

00:59:57.000 Let's see it here.

00:59:58.000 Okay, you hit him on the right hand.

01:00:03.000 Is that it?

01:00:06.000 Mmm.

01:00:07.000 That's weird.

01:00:08.000 Oh, I see.

01:00:09.000 Oh, it was the left hook.

01:00:10.000 No, that's the end.

01:00:11.000 That's the left hook is the end. 0.97

01:00:12.000 Well, what made him wobble like that?

01:00:14.000 No, that's the very end of the fight.

01:00:17.000 He was already hurt, but he already had a problem with his leg.

01:00:20.000 See, I want to know.

01:00:21.000 This is terrible replays.

01:00:23.000 I would be asking the truck.

01:00:25.000 I want to know what happened.

01:00:27.000 Was it a punch?

01:00:28.000 Was it an elbow?

01:00:30.000 Like, what caused him to go down the first time, and why was he so wobbly?

01:00:34.000 Was it because he got hurt, or was it because of a knee injury?

01:00:39.000 Man, why don't they show that?

01:00:41.000 Get on it, Glory. 0.99

01:00:43.000 Who's that, like, 12-year-old doctor right there?

01:00:45.000 What is that?

01:00:46.000 Yeah, you gotta be 14 to be a doctor.

01:00:47.000 Doogie Howser.

01:00:48.000 Doogie Howser right there?

01:00:50.000 Just holding on to him. 1.00

01:00:52.000 Dude, fuck showing us this. 1.00

01:00:53.000 Show us what happened in the fight. 1.00

01:00:55.000 Yeah, I don't know why they're not showing that.

01:00:56.000 This is very strange.

01:00:59.000 Don't they broadcast this overseas also?

01:01:01.000 It's probably commercial time.

01:01:02.000 I think you're exactly right.

01:01:05.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:01:06.000 How the fuck is this not on regular TV? It's so exciting. 0.98

01:01:11.000 I mean, in the depth of talent.

01:01:14.000 Look, Sitsong Pinong is 20 years old.

01:01:16.000 How many of these dudes are out there?

01:01:18.000 Is there hundreds?

01:01:20.000 Right.

01:01:20.000 There's a lot.

01:01:21.000 Yeah, the depth of talent in kickboxing is off the fucking charts. 0.98

01:01:28.000 And isn't Malapet fighting Kyle Holm back tonight? 0.98

01:01:32.000 I heard that Kyle got hurt and he pulled out of the fight.

01:01:36.000 No!

01:01:37.000 I tried texting him, but I heard he might have blown his knee out recently, this week maybe.

01:01:43.000 Oh my god!

01:01:45.000 I reached out to him, but I hadn't heard.

01:01:46.000 Dude, do you know how many fights Malapet has? 1.00

01:01:48.000 Over 200, right?

01:01:50.000 Yeah.

01:01:51.000 That's crazy.

01:01:52.000 Yeah, it is amazing.

01:01:55.000 It's amazing.

01:01:58.000 You know he has a brother.

01:02:00.000 Who else is on the Lion Fight card?

01:02:03.000 Did they cancel the whole card?

01:02:04.000 Or they just canceled the main fight?

01:02:06.000 No, it was just the main event.

01:02:06.000 I think now Malifet's fighting Joe...

01:02:11.000 The other time?

01:02:13.000 Joe something or...

01:02:14.000 Joe Natawat?

01:02:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:02:15.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:02:16.000 That's a better fight. 1.00

01:02:17.000 Or a really good fight, at least.

01:02:19.000 Yeah, it's a really good fight.

01:02:20.000 And then the...

01:02:21.000 My buddy Romeo Danza is fighting on that card as well.

01:02:25.000 Lion Fight has some outstanding talent.

01:02:28.000 They really do.

01:02:29.000 Yeah, there's California and in the US in general, there's a lot of really good Muay Thai.

01:02:36.000 More so probably than kickboxing because there's so many Muay Thai gyms here in Los Angeles.

01:02:41.000 Yeah, makes sense.

01:02:42.000 It just seems to me to be the most underappreciated, underrated sport in the U.S. Especially, like, what is the one thing that people complain about in MMA? Like, oh, fucking go to the ground, you queers, stop hugging each other. 1.00

01:02:55.000 No one goes to the ground. 1.00

01:02:57.000 This is all stand-up, and yet still...

01:02:59.000 I think Muay Thai also is much more entertaining than boxing, straight boxing.

01:03:04.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

01:03:05.000 And I think boxing's entertaining, don't get me wrong.

01:03:07.000 Agreed.

01:03:08.000 I still enjoy it, but yeah, I mean...

01:03:11.000 So the talent's there, and the people to watch it are here, so where's the problem?

01:03:15.000 Lies. 0.99

01:03:15.000 Okay, here they're gonna show it to us. 0.99

01:03:17.000 Can't show us the fucking replay? 0.98

01:03:19.000 Yeah, I mean, that's part of the problem. 0.99

01:03:20.000 The problem, Joe Schilling, is that you get these Thai guys beating up Americans. 1.00

01:03:26.000 So, okay, this is world-class kickboxing, so we're going to make a matchup with one of our up-and-coming American stars, and we're going to match him up with a guy with 160 fights.

01:03:36.000 See, that was it right there.

01:03:37.000 That's interesting.

01:03:39.000 Interesting.

01:03:40.000 Let's see it again.

01:03:42.000 So there's a right hand.

01:03:45.000 Is that right hand what short-circuited him?

01:03:51.000 Hmm.

01:03:51.000 And this is what ends it.

01:03:53.000 This is what ends it. 0.99

01:03:54.000 Meanwhile, the referee should have fucking called it. 0.98

01:03:56.000 That guy's behind him waving it off. 0.98

01:03:58.000 Who's the guy waving it off?

01:04:00.000 He looks like an official.

01:04:03.000 Hmm.

01:04:05.000 Incredible.

01:04:06.000 Well, either way.

01:04:08.000 Who makes that matchup? 0.99

01:04:09.000 That's a good question.

01:04:10.000 Why would you make that matchup?

01:04:12.000 Yeah.

01:04:14.000 I mean, maybe they just needed a fight for Pino.

01:04:17.000 Six fights versus a hundred and sixty-something?

01:04:20.000 Like, he literally has 16 times more fights.

01:04:27.000 That's crazy.

01:04:30.000 Man. 1.00

01:04:32.000 Well, he's a bad motherfucker, that's for sure. 1.00

01:04:34.000 It's just interesting to see. 0.99

01:04:36.000 I would hate for Glory and for kickboxing in general to stay at this level.

01:04:42.000 How about the hard-on Casey?

01:04:44.000 We're all sitting here saying, stop the fight, stop the fight.

01:04:46.000 He could have stopped the fight if he wanted to.

01:04:48.000 Exactly.

01:04:49.000 He could have not made the count. 1.00

01:04:50.000 Guy's a fucking monster. 1.00

01:04:52.000 He didn't even try to take a knee when he couldn't stand up. 1.00

01:04:54.000 He didn't say, let me just take a knee here and...

01:04:58.000 Is he praying to the Thai king who just died?

01:05:00.000 Yeah, the king just died.

01:05:02.000 So that's really common too also in Thailand.

01:05:05.000 There's always usually carrying a photo of the king to the ring and whatnot.

01:05:09.000 They're very loyal to the king over there.

01:05:11.000 So when the king passed away here recently, it was last week I think.

01:05:15.000 It's like a really big deal to the Thai people.

01:05:18.000 I mean, here if Obama died, it would be like a big deal, but enough people would be...

01:05:22.000 Yeah, I don't know.

01:05:23.000 I don't know.

01:05:24.000 I remember I saw Malapet had a picture and he posted something on his Instagram about it.

01:05:30.000 I don't know if anybody's standing there with a tribute to Obama. 0.99

01:05:34.000 No, they wouldn't give a fuck. 0.99

01:05:35.000 Or any of our presidents, yeah. 1.00

01:05:36.000 If Obama got shot maybe a month into office, people would be sad.

01:05:40.000 Yeah.

01:05:40.000 But after a month, they were already blaming him for the economy, you know?

01:05:44.000 But after eight years...

01:05:45.000 Yeah, if Obama gets shot now, they're just gonna repeal Obamacare.

01:05:49.000 The same type of people that still want to have Confederate flags would be cheering.

01:05:53.000 Those people would be so happy.

01:05:55.000 I go back to Texas sometimes and literally two miles from my daughter's house on a corner on a highway intersection.

01:06:04.000 They just got confederate flags just lined up hanging and they're selling them.

01:06:08.000 They're just sitting there in their trailer selling confederate flags People drive around with Confederate flags flying out of the back of their trucks, their pickups.

01:06:16.000 It's weird coming out here because I grew up with that.

01:06:20.000 I've seen that a lot.

01:06:21.000 It wasn't strange to me until I came here, lived here for a year, and then went back there and saw it.

01:06:26.000 So I grew up in Ohio and that was like a thing, but it was like...

01:06:29.000 Not like a racist thing, it's like a southern thing, and it's like part of history.

01:06:33.000 Ohio's not in the South! 1.00

01:06:34.000 What the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

01:06:36.000 Like, what the fuck are you talking about? 1.00

01:06:38.000 It's about tradition. 0.99

01:06:39.000 It's about tradition.

01:06:40.000 No, it's like redneck, it's not, you know, it's not whatever. 0.66

01:06:42.000 I'm really into grits, dip.

01:06:44.000 People are like all pissed off that they like, you can't use a, like they got rid of it or whatnot.

01:06:49.000 But they were Lenskirk fans. 0.97

01:06:50.000 That's our history, I'm like, what the fuck kind of history is that? 0.99

01:06:52.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:06:52.000 That's a history you want to fucking keep? 1.00

01:06:55.000 Imagine if the Nazis hung on to that. 0.99

01:06:57.000 Germans were like, there was one time when we were strong.

01:07:02.000 Yeah, right.

01:07:03.000 Or the rising sun.

01:07:06.000 Well, that rising sun is still a big issue with a lot of fighters have that tattooed.

01:07:12.000 Yeah, GSP hat.

01:07:14.000 But some fighters have that tattooed, and some people think it's incredibly offensive.

01:07:19.000 Yeah, Koreans and Chinese people really get offended by it.

01:07:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:07:23.000 I think.

01:07:25.000 Yeah, it's easy for people outside of that to not understand what those symbols actually mean.

01:07:30.000 So this is an interesting fight. 1.00

01:07:32.000 Cavallari's a bad motherfucker. 0.99

01:07:33.000 I'm not familiar with Dallas. 1.00

01:07:37.000 Neither am I. I know he fought in glory before.

01:07:39.000 This is like his second fight.

01:07:40.000 His first fight, but he took it on like a week's notice and he fought a heavyweight.

01:07:44.000 So, I don't know.

01:07:46.000 Yeah, I was looking through the things.

01:07:47.000 There's a couple guys that dropped weight on this card.

01:07:50.000 In the middleweight contender tournament, there's this guy Machado.

01:07:58.000 And he fought on the contender tournament at 205 at Glory32, but now he's in the middleweight tournament.

01:08:04.000 So this dude's with Mike's gym.

01:08:05.000 Even though he's fighting at 205, he's still carrying some body fat on him.

01:08:10.000 How many weight classes does Glory have now? 1.00

01:08:16.000 5, right?

01:08:17.000 45, 55, 70, 85, 205, and heavyweight.

01:08:22.000 Why is it so much like MMA? Because they're unoriginal and they wanted to be just like the UFC to sell to the UFC fans.

01:08:30.000 Yeah, that's so ridiculous because they're calling 205 light heavyweight.

01:08:35.000 That's hilarious.

01:08:36.000 The UFC is what used to...

01:08:38.000 Before the UFC made the weight classes or whatever, middleweight was 154, just like boxing.

01:08:44.000 Right.

01:08:45.000 And then there's like junior light heavy...

01:08:47.000 There's like a million types of middleweights now.

01:08:49.000 Yeah.

01:08:50.000 Yeah, well, middleweight was 160, but it was 154 to 160. Right.

01:08:54.000 Super middleweight, 168. Light heavyweight, 175. Cruiserweight, 195. There was a time where, you know, the UFC didn't even have a 55 when Eve Edwards was the baddest motherfucking 55 on the planet. 1.00

01:09:07.000 You were the uncrowned champ, man. 0.91

01:09:09.000 That's a long time ago.

01:09:10.000 That's a long time ago, but you were the uncrowned champ.

01:09:13.000 When the UFC eliminated, right after you knocked out Josh Thompson, you were the consensus best 155 pound guy in the planet.

01:09:22.000 And then the UFC said, yeah, we're not really into this weight class.

01:09:27.000 Yeah.

01:09:28.000 That was in the hemorrhaging money days.

01:09:30.000 They didn't have any money.

01:09:31.000 No.

01:09:32.000 It kind of sucked, but it is what it is, right? 0.78

01:09:34.000 I don't know, man. 1.00

01:09:35.000 I should give you your fucking belt, though. 1.00

01:09:37.000 Yeah, this should just break you off a little belt. 1.00

01:09:39.000 Just break you off a little belt. 1.00

01:09:40.000 This is still something for the mantle.

01:09:43.000 I just go home and I make a playlist on Fight Pass and watch my journey to the title.

01:09:52.000 Pretend that I got one.

01:09:53.000 Just take a burlap sack, fill it up with light bulbs.

01:09:58.000 Do you hear that?

01:09:59.000 Sounds like a burlap sat for a lifeboat.

01:10:02.000 Didn't in that fight, Aaron Riley had to have his entire lower jaw reconstructed with metal and have his teeth wired into place?

01:10:12.000 I didn't know he had all those wires.

01:10:14.000 I know he had to have surgery.

01:10:16.000 I know he had surgery.

01:10:17.000 That was pretty significant.

01:10:18.000 I think you literally broke where the teeth connect to his lower jaw.

01:10:23.000 I think you snapped all that.

01:10:26.000 Hence the lightbulb analogy.

01:10:30.000 That makes more sense now though, for sure. 0.97

01:10:33.000 Yeah, it sounds like a dick move now. 1.00

01:10:35.000 And you're like, I know I had surgery because you were, fuck it. 1.00

01:10:41.000 I wrote that down in my diary. 1.00

01:10:43.000 Dear diary.

01:10:44.000 Aaron Reilly had surgery. 0.99

01:10:46.000 Aaron Reilly's been on the receiving end of some fucking ruthless fights. 0.98

01:10:50.000 The Robbie Lawler fight. 0.97

01:10:52.000 He introduced Robbie Lawler to the UFC. Yeah.

01:10:55.000 I know that wasn't fun.

01:10:57.000 And then Chris Lieben.

01:10:59.000 No, not Chris Lieben.

01:11:00.000 I'm sorry.

01:11:01.000 Chris Lytle knocked him out.

01:11:02.000 That's right.

01:11:02.000 Yeah.

01:11:03.000 Well, Chris Lieben introduced the world to Anderson.

01:11:07.000 Yeah.

01:11:07.000 That was tailor-made.

01:11:10.000 Tailor-made for him.

01:11:13.000 Yeah, I remember that.

01:11:14.000 He went into that fight.

01:11:14.000 I mean, you always go into a fight confident, but he went into that fight as confident as leaving can be.

01:11:19.000 Yeah.

01:11:21.000 And then it was like, hello world, I'm Anderson Silva.

01:11:24.000 Yeah, that was when Anderson was really...

01:11:29.000 Like, he had taken time off of pride, and then he went and fought in cage rage.

01:11:34.000 And in cage rage, he really came into his own.

01:11:36.000 He fought in cage rage.

01:11:37.000 Those were some of the most impressive fights he ever had in his entire career.

01:11:41.000 Oh yeah, Tony Fricklin with the back elbow.

01:11:43.000 How about Lee Murray? 0.97

01:11:44.000 Beat the fuck out of Lee Murray. 1.00

01:11:46.000 Beat the fuck out of him. 0.99

01:11:47.000 And Lee Murray was scary back then. 0.99

01:11:49.000 Wasn't Lee Murray, like, I heard he's like a fucking debt collector or something over there? 1.00

01:11:53.000 Oh, he's a gangster. 0.99

01:11:55.000 He's the most gangsterest gangster that ever gangstered. 0.85

01:12:00.000 Lee Murray's responsible.

01:12:02.000 He was one part of the biggest armed robbery in the history of England.

01:12:07.000 Yeah, that's what it was.

01:12:07.000 He's still in jail.

01:12:08.000 Jail in Morocco?

01:12:09.000 Yep.

01:12:10.000 He got a girl pregnant from jail. 0.62

01:12:12.000 That's how strong his comment is.

01:12:15.000 He filed a child while he was in the pokey.

01:12:18.000 Pablo Escobar stuff.

01:12:19.000 Yeah.

01:12:21.000 He also, Anderson also had a crazy fight with Jorge Rivera.

01:12:25.000 Do you remember that fight?

01:12:26.000 Yeah.

01:12:26.000 Where Rivera, he let Rivera punch him in the face.

01:12:30.000 Because Rivera was like a hard hitter.

01:12:32.000 And he stood right in front of Rivera and let Rivera clinch up with him and hit him with bombs.

01:12:38.000 And he stood at him, looking at him, hitting him. 0.88

01:12:41.000 Anderson used to be a beast. 0.89

01:12:43.000 Oh, man.

01:12:44.000 You know, Anderson used to fight 167 pounds.

01:12:47.000 Yeah, in pride.

01:12:48.000 In Shudo. 0.55

01:12:50.000 Oh, that's right.

01:12:50.000 He was a Shudo champ.

01:12:51.000 He beat Sakurai for the belt.

01:12:54.000 167, wow.

01:12:55.000 That was like in 99. Do you remember that kid who used to fight...

01:12:59.000 What the fuck was his name? 0.99

01:13:01.000 He used to call himself the Brazilian killer, Alex... 1.00

01:13:06.000 Stiebling.

01:13:07.000 Alex Stiebling, yeah. 0.95

01:13:08.000 He used to call himself the Brazilian killer because he beat a bunch of Brazilians. 0.99

01:13:12.000 A tough-ass white dude. 1.00

01:13:14.000 And Anderson shinned him across the eyebrow and opened up a new vagina on his forehead. 1.00

01:13:20.000 Yeah, Stiebling was bad until that happened. 0.99

01:13:24.000 Yeah.

01:13:25.000 Anderson will change your life, man. 1.00

01:13:27.000 Yeah, he'll open up a vagina on your forehead. 1.00

01:13:30.000 Like what he did to Carlos Newton in Pride? 1.00

01:13:32.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:32.000 That flying knee.

01:13:34.000 Boom! 0.99

01:13:38.000 It's weird some of the losses that he had though, like the Rio Chonin.

01:13:41.000 Oh yeah.

01:13:42.000 It's like...

01:13:43.000 Had a broken foot going into that fight.

01:13:44.000 Oh.

01:13:45.000 Yeah.

01:13:45.000 I didn't know that.

01:13:46.000 Yeah.

01:13:47.000 Rio Chonin hit him with the craziest flying scissor heel hook tap out ever.

01:13:51.000 Was it on that foot?

01:13:52.000 Like he probably like right away.

01:13:54.000 Maybe, right?

01:13:56.000 But honestly, Chonen was beating him on the feet.

01:14:00.000 Anderson did not look good in that fight.

01:14:01.000 His timing was off.

01:14:03.000 He was tentative.

01:14:04.000 He just wasn't properly prepared.

01:14:06.000 But that was also when he was going through this transitionary period where he left Shoot the Box and he started Muay Thai Dream Team.

01:14:14.000 You remember that?

01:14:15.000 Yep.

01:14:16.000 He had...

01:14:19.000 Like, left and then sort of established...

01:14:22.000 Like, he was in the middle of, like, transitioning between gyms.

01:14:26.000 I just don't think he was trained as well as he had been in the past.

01:14:32.000 What's your favorite all-time...

01:14:34.000 Well, not even all-time.

01:14:35.000 Let's just go back to...

01:14:37.000 Because you've been doing this for a long time.

01:14:38.000 You've been watching MMA the whole time it's been around, Joe.

01:14:41.000 What's your favorite MMA fight from back in the day?

01:14:46.000 Man, I don't know if I have a favorite.

01:14:49.000 I don't think I have a favorite.

01:14:51.000 But I remember looking forward to those Vandele fights more than anything on the planet.

01:14:56.000 He was just my all-time...

01:14:57.000 He'd be like, at the time at least, my favorite. 0.99

01:15:00.000 Just because he was just a fucking tornado of chaos. 0.99

01:15:05.000 He was so primal, you know? 1.00

01:15:07.000 He was just so filled with rage. 0.99

01:15:09.000 And he would be looking at the guy across the ring and doing that shit with his wrists where he'd roll his hands. 1.00

01:15:15.000 He was just so fucking crazy. 1.00

01:15:18.000 Like snake eyes. 1.00

01:15:19.000 He was so crazy. 1.00

01:15:22.000 Does he have fucking contacts? 1.00

01:15:24.000 But I think when Crow Cop knocked him out, that was one of my favorite fights too. 0.99

01:15:29.000 Because the style that Vanderlei used was not...

01:15:34.000 A technical style.

01:15:36.000 Like, he swung punches with his arms. 0.99

01:15:38.000 He was very overly muscled, juiced to the tits. 1.00

01:15:41.000 Just fucking jacked and super aggressive. 0.99

01:15:45.000 And, you know, he knocked a lot of guys out and won a lot of fights. 1.00

01:15:48.000 But when you saw that shit against Krokop, it was just not flying. 0.99

01:15:53.000 It just was not going to happen. 0.99

01:15:55.000 Like, Krokob was at a completely different level when it came to striking, and then in that fight, Vanderlei's striking was exposed.

01:16:02.000 Because I remember watching an old-school Vanderlei fight with a friend of mine who was a striker, who knew how to box.

01:16:09.000 He's like, God, this guy throws these wild-ass punches.

01:16:12.000 You know, he doesn't cover his chin, and everything is arm punches and looping. 0.99

01:16:18.000 Like, MMA striking is kind of fucked up. 0.97

01:16:19.000 I'm like, well... 0.98

01:16:21.000 You know, I mean, it's easier said than done.

01:16:23.000 Like, there's a lot of good strikers who stood in front of Vanderlei and panicked.

01:16:26.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:16:26.000 Because he was just so fucking crazy and screaming and... 0.95

01:16:30.000 And all he has to do is land one of those big A-makers. 0.98

01:16:33.000 Oh, yeah.

01:16:34.000 But...

01:16:35.000 I'm with Krokop.

01:16:37.000 Krokop.

01:16:37.000 The first fight, it was one of those weird rules fights.

01:16:41.000 Remember that?

01:16:41.000 Yep.

01:16:42.000 They had shorter rounds.

01:16:43.000 They limited the amount of time on the ground.

01:16:46.000 And it was a draw.

01:16:48.000 It wasn't a fight where they had a distinctive decision, like you couldn't...

01:16:52.000 A lot of people made money on that.

01:16:54.000 Oh, really?

01:16:55.000 Yeah, because the betting line was...

01:16:58.000 I guess the people putting up the betting line, they didn't realize that if the fight went to the distance, it was a draw automatically.

01:17:06.000 Oh, so they bet for the draw?

01:17:08.000 Yeah.

01:17:09.000 Yeah.

01:17:10.000 And they paid out, too.

01:17:11.000 Mmm, that's interesting. 0.98

01:17:13.000 But that was back when you could fucking bet online, man. 0.96

01:17:15.000 God, they gotta bring that back. 0.97

01:17:17.000 I would be betting on everything online.

01:17:19.000 If online betting was still there, I'd bet on this for fun.

01:17:23.000 Why not?

01:17:24.000 Right.

01:17:24.000 Isn't that what DraftKings is, or did they shut DraftKings down?

01:17:27.000 No, DraftKings is fantasy.

01:17:29.000 It's different.

01:17:30.000 It's like, you know, you pick fighters, you pick rounds.

01:17:33.000 It's like a sneaky way of getting around gambling.

01:17:36.000 You could kind of gamble, but it's not the same.

01:17:38.000 I want to be able to bet $50 on this guy.

01:17:41.000 I want to bet $100 on that guy.

01:17:43.000 I want to be able to bet. 1.00

01:17:44.000 I'm a fucking grown man. 1.00

01:17:46.000 I pay taxes. 1.00

01:17:47.000 I'm a goddamn American! 1.00

01:17:49.000 Isn't that what Bodog was? 1.00

01:17:51.000 Yes.

01:17:52.000 Well, that's why that guy Calvin Ayer had to leave the country. 0.99

01:17:56.000 He's a criminal, because he had all this online gambling shit going on, and he was an American citizen, so he can't even live in America anymore. 0.98

01:18:05.000 Not only that, I don't even think he's allowed to visit America. 0.99

01:18:08.000 I think Calvin Air lives in Costa Rica.

01:18:10.000 Do you remember Calvin Air?

01:18:11.000 Do you remember Bodog Fight?

01:18:13.000 I remember Bodog Fight.

01:18:14.000 There's somebody else like that, too.

01:18:16.000 There's a gang of those guys. 0.99

01:18:18.000 Shoot. 0.97

01:18:19.000 I forget his name. 0.99

01:18:20.000 They turned a bunch of entrepreneurs into criminals.

01:18:22.000 Yeah.

01:18:24.000 Just change the law.

01:18:26.000 America.

01:18:27.000 America.

01:18:28.000 But Calvin Ayer had some great fights, man.

01:18:31.000 He brought the world Chael Sonnen.

01:18:33.000 That was the first Chael Sonnen fight.

01:18:35.000 Cain Velasquez had his first fight in Bodog.

01:18:37.000 Really?

01:18:38.000 Yep.

01:18:39.000 You fought for Bodog.

01:18:41.000 I fought in Bodog.

01:18:42.000 Eddie was the champ in Bodog.

01:18:43.000 Masvidal came from Bodog.

01:18:45.000 Masvidal.

01:18:45.000 Jorge Masvidal.

01:18:46.000 Yeah.

01:18:47.000 Yeah.

01:18:48.000 Yeah, he put on some good fights and he put them on the beach and the girls were banging. 0.98

01:18:54.000 He had ring card girls that just... 1.00

01:18:56.000 Jesus!

01:18:58.000 Yeah, I remember it was always on a beach somewhere.

01:19:01.000 Costa Rica.

01:19:03.000 Exactly.

01:19:03.000 We're in Costa Rica.

01:19:04.000 Yeah, he put everything on where he likes to hang out. 1.00

01:19:06.000 He's like, shit, let's have a fight here. 1.00

01:19:08.000 And then once was in Russia, that kind of sucked. 1.00

01:19:11.000 It was cold, it was November.

01:19:12.000 Yeah, he did it in Russia and he had Fedor fight Matt Lindland.

01:19:15.000 Yup.

01:19:16.000 That's right.

01:19:16.000 Remember that.

01:19:17.000 And I think Matt Lindlund got fucked in that fight. 0.98

01:19:21.000 Remember? 0.99

01:19:22.000 Fedor grabbed the ropes?

01:19:24.000 Matt Lindlund got the clinch on Fedor and Matt Lindlund was about to take Fedor down and Fedor grabbed the ropes and held on hard and then reversed the position.

01:19:36.000 Because he grabbed the ropes.

01:19:38.000 Yeah, I remember that. 0.98

01:19:39.000 And I think Matt Lindlund got fucked financially too, if I remember correctly. 0.97

01:19:43.000 I don't think he got paid. 0.98

01:19:45.000 Or he didn't get paid what he was supposed to get paid or something.

01:19:47.000 There was some sort of controversy.

01:19:49.000 But the controversy about the takedown was gigantic.

01:19:55.000 Could you imagine if Matt Linden would have beaten Fedor at that time?

01:19:59.000 Oh my god.

01:20:00.000 It would have been crazy.

01:20:01.000 At that time, Fedor was Fedor.

01:20:03.000 Yeah.

01:20:04.000 But that was post-Pride, right?

01:20:06.000 That was post-Pride.

01:20:07.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:20:07.000 He had gone through a lot of weird shit, right? 0.99

01:20:09.000 And Pride, I feel like there's Fedor in Pride. 0.98

01:20:13.000 And I think Fedor in Pride is the all-time greatest heavyweight.

01:20:17.000 I feel like Fedor and Pride, if you want to look at like... 0.98

01:20:19.000 And who knows what's going on as far as like chemicals and steroids and all kinds of the shit. 0.97

01:20:25.000 Who knows? 0.99

01:20:26.000 Because you know that everybody was doing shit back then. 0.98

01:20:28.000 I've told this story before, but I wish I still had a copy of it, but the Pride contract. 0.98

01:20:33.000 The Pride contract says...

01:20:35.000 This is what it reads.

01:20:36.000 It says...

01:20:37.000 You will be tested for cocaine, heroin, and other barbiturates.

01:20:41.000 Then the very next line was all caps.

01:20:44.000 It said, you will not be tested for steroids.

01:20:47.000 That was in the contract.

01:20:49.000 Yeah, Ensign told me about that.

01:20:51.000 Ensign anyway.

01:20:53.000 Ensign's a G. Yeah, he's awesome.

01:20:55.000 I love that guy.

01:20:56.000 He's coming in town soon.

01:20:57.000 I gotta get a hold of that dude.

01:20:58.000 I think it was K1. Maybe K1 or Heroes.

01:21:02.000 Maybe Dream.

01:21:04.000 I heard, but it was like everybody would go in for the drug test.

01:21:07.000 And then when they came out, there would just be cups all the way along.

01:21:10.000 Like the...

01:21:20.000 I saw something with Ensign on Viceland a couple of days ago.

01:21:26.000 What was he doing?

01:21:27.000 He wasn't even hosting the show.

01:21:29.000 I don't remember the guy's name anyway.

01:21:31.000 Ensign was, he had these guys in Japan, they were street fighting.

01:21:35.000 So they had on MMA gloves, but they, like, you know how they have the race car guys?

01:21:40.000 It seems like they parked a bunch of cars, they made a ring with the cars, and they're just throwing now with little gloves on in the street.

01:21:47.000 On concrete?

01:21:47.000 On concrete.

01:21:48.000 It's on Viceland.

01:21:49.000 I think it's on this week, or it was on last week.

01:21:53.000 Viceland's crazy.

01:21:54.000 I love that network.

01:21:55.000 It's amazing.

01:21:56.000 They put on some insane programs.

01:21:58.000 That's a real man channel.

01:22:00.000 Like, you know?

01:22:02.000 Man cave channel.

01:22:03.000 You sit in your man cave and just watch Viceland. 1.00

01:22:06.000 Have you ever watched Fuck That's Delicious? 1.00

01:22:08.000 Yes! 0.99

01:22:09.000 That dude came in here, man.

01:22:12.000 Action Bronson smoked more joints in the course of an hour than anyone in the history of the podcast.

01:22:17.000 Half of those are probably his still.

01:22:18.000 Yeah, half these joints, these roaches that are sitting in the ashtray was his.

01:22:22.000 I've never seen anybody just burn through joints like a chain smoker through cigarettes in two hours.

01:22:27.000 I mean, I was so faded.

01:22:28.000 I had no idea what we talked about just three minutes ago.

01:22:31.000 And he just keeps hitting it.

01:22:34.000 Snoop is like that.

01:22:36.000 Nick was in town and he was doing that GGN. That football thing he does?

01:22:42.000 No, it's like a podcast network thing.

01:22:45.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:45.000 He does it with video, right?

01:22:47.000 Yeah, it's like a video thing.

01:22:49.000 Went in there and he just...

01:22:52.000 Blunt, after blunt, after blunt, after blunt, after blunt, through like a pound of weed.

01:22:57.000 He's like, oh, whatever you like.

01:22:58.000 Can Nick hang?

01:23:00.000 We all hung, but it was like...

01:23:02.000 It was rough.

01:23:04.000 But you can see how lit he was, though. 0.99

01:23:07.000 Even Snoop was on some other shit. 0.99

01:23:09.000 How did Action Bronson do after smoking all those joints? 0.99

01:23:12.000 Well, it's hard to tell, because he was barbecued when he got here.

01:23:16.000 Really?

01:23:16.000 Yeah, he got here cooked, and he kept getting cooked.

01:23:20.000 I mean, it was like, yeah, you're done, dude.

01:23:22.000 Like, some dudes just don't stop.

01:23:24.000 I stop, man.

01:23:25.000 When we do podcasts, I'll take a couple hits, and I'm like, I'm good.

01:23:29.000 You guys good?

01:23:30.000 We're good.

01:23:31.000 But some people are never good.

01:23:32.000 They just keep going.

01:23:33.000 I don't understand it.

01:23:35.000 It's a different mentality.

01:23:37.000 You know who got me one of the most high?

01:23:40.000 Look at that. 0.99

01:23:41.000 He tried to fucking axe kick. 0.99

01:23:42.000 What? 0.99

01:23:43.000 Do you remember Cabbage?

01:23:46.000 Cabbage Correa?

01:23:47.000 Cabbage and I... He's only one of my favorite fighters I've ever...

01:23:50.000 He's an animal.

01:23:51.000 That's the kind of fighters I really want to see, people like Cabbage.

01:23:54.000 But yeah, go ahead.

01:23:55.000 He was in Vegas, and me and him and Eddie Bravo, we went to my hotel room, and he had this fucking gigantic blunt, and we were so high, we should have stopped, but he kept saying, Yamato Damashi. 0.76

01:24:10.000 You know, which means warrior spirit. 0.80

01:24:13.000 He kept saying that, Yamato Damashi.

01:24:15.000 And he'd pass the joint.

01:24:17.000 I'm like, alright, man.

01:24:18.000 Samurai spirit.

01:24:19.000 Yeah, samurai spirit.

01:24:21.000 I don't want to disappoint cabbage.

01:24:22.000 And we just, the rest of the night, we're done. 0.84

01:24:25.000 Like, we went and ate, and then we're just like all paranoid, fucked up, contemplating mortality for the rest of the night. 0.99

01:24:33.000 What he used to say, my head's full of rocks and junk or some shit like that. 0.99

01:24:38.000 It's all full of rocks and junk with that Hawaiian accent. 1.00

01:24:41.000 He could take it, man. 0.99

01:24:43.000 Oh, man.

01:24:43.000 Oh, my God.

01:24:44.000 That fight with Sylvia, remember? 0.93

01:24:46.000 He fought Tim Sylvia, and Tim Sylvia beat the fuck out of him.

01:24:50.000 And Tenkabit, no?

01:24:51.000 And Arlovski, too, remember?

01:24:53.000 Arlovski.

01:24:53.000 Yeah, Arlovski KO'd him.

01:24:56.000 In a K-1 fight, I want to say.

01:25:00.000 I feel like it was a kickboxing fight.

01:25:01.000 I feel like it was in Hawaii.

01:25:03.000 Yeah.

01:25:03.000 I feel like it was a K1-Hawaii.

01:25:05.000 Yeah.

01:25:06.000 Dude, that dude looked like Stefan Bonner for a second.

01:25:08.000 Yeah, man.

01:25:09.000 Hello.

01:25:09.000 Hey, look, it's Joe Schilling, ladies and gentlemen.

01:25:11.000 They only show you getting your mouthpiece knocked out, these fucks. 0.99

01:25:14.000 No, that was Simon getting his mouthpiece knocked out. 1.00

01:25:16.000 Oh, that's right.

01:25:23.000 Artym Levin, is he done, man?

01:25:25.000 What's going on with him now?

01:25:26.000 I don't know.

01:25:27.000 I hope so.

01:25:28.000 Did you watch the Simon Marcus-Jason Willness fight?

01:25:33.000 Did you ever want to watch that?

01:25:34.000 I saw the highlight.

01:25:35.000 I didn't see the whole fight.

01:25:36.000 Crazy fight.

01:25:38.000 Crazy fight, dude.

01:25:40.000 It's like all the wind went out of Simon's sails.

01:25:43.000 Like, Jason Willness was getting battered early on, and Simon looked fantastic.

01:25:47.000 He looked super aggressive, super strong.

01:25:50.000 But then somewhere...

01:25:52.000 Somewhere around the second round, it looked like he was just losing all of his pop.

01:25:56.000 And then he did some weird thing.

01:25:57.000 Do you see that weird thing he did against the ropes?

01:25:59.000 Where he stood there?

01:26:01.000 He has like a bravado kind of thing.

01:26:03.000 Yeah, he let him tee off on him.

01:26:04.000 Come on, give it to me. 0.99

01:26:05.000 And then fucking gave it to him, right? 0.99

01:26:07.000 He gave it to him. 1.00

01:26:08.000 Willness can crack.

01:26:09.000 Well, you know that more than anybody.

01:26:10.000 Yeah.

01:26:13.000 Yeah, that should be interesting.

01:26:15.000 It looked to me like Simon, it sounds even like Simon was getting tired, you know?

01:26:19.000 And I had heard that he's not with his old coach anymore.

01:26:22.000 So maybe that's it, but that's what I was asking Yves.

01:26:26.000 Being in Denver, when I fought there, it makes a big difference, the high altitude.

01:26:31.000 He's fighting Dustin Jacoby, who I don't think is anywhere near the caliber fighter to fight a guy like Simon, but he's from Denver and that gives him a lot of advantage.

01:26:41.000 That's the night.

01:26:42.000 Do you think that Simon should recover, though? 0.96

01:26:44.000 I mean, he got knocked the fuck out just a couple of months ago. 0.74

01:26:47.000 Yeah, I don't think that's good either. 0.96

01:26:49.000 When I knocked him out, he fought again in Yeah, like I said, he fought in China, right?

01:26:54.000 He fought in China, like, I don't know, right away, and it got knocked out again.

01:26:58.000 Who KO'd him in China?

01:27:00.000 I forget the guy's name.

01:27:02.000 I don't remember.

01:27:03.000 But it was an upset.

01:27:04.000 It's on YouTube.

01:27:04.000 Yeah, it was a big upset.

01:27:06.000 That's kind of scary.

01:27:07.000 You heard about Jordan Parsons on the CTE? Isn't he like 25?

01:27:12.000 Right.

01:27:13.000 And he only had two losses and one by KO. It's like, I know we got CTE, man.

01:27:20.000 Like...

01:27:20.000 CTE. Chronic traumatic encephalously.

01:27:24.000 Head trauma.

01:27:25.000 Yeah.

01:27:26.000 Brain damage.

01:27:27.000 Yeah.

01:27:27.000 But they can't test it.

01:27:29.000 They can't see it until you're dead.

01:27:31.000 Yeah.

01:27:31.000 Post-modern autopsy.

01:27:34.000 Ugh.

01:27:34.000 So it's like...

01:27:35.000 Oh, he had it?

01:27:36.000 Or the car...

01:27:37.000 Yeah.

01:27:38.000 Parsons when they got hit by the car, right?

01:27:39.000 Right.

01:27:39.000 Yeah.

01:27:40.000 And he was only 25. And then they found out that he had that and didn't even know?

01:27:43.000 Yeah.

01:27:44.000 Oh, that's awful.

01:27:45.000 Well, what's crazy is he was okay.

01:27:47.000 I mean, he was articulate.

01:27:48.000 He fought well.

01:27:50.000 Fully functioning.

01:27:51.000 And then they do this test on him, and they're like, yeah.

01:27:54.000 Well, what they're concerned with is that they're missing out on, you know, a lot of the damage that...

01:28:02.000 You're getting in the gym and that there's no way to really detect it until you're dead, but it's just like this slow, creeping thing that's happening to you.

01:28:12.000 And then, I mean, when does a guy like Jordan Parsons, 25 years old, fully functional, articulate, he can hang with any conversation, but then, what does that mean when he's 60 or 45?

01:28:26.000 Yeah, that's the big question.

01:28:27.000 What does that mean?

01:28:28.000 Yeah.

01:28:29.000 What does it mean for a guy like Peter Hertz?

01:28:31.000 He's been KO'd like 14 times.

01:28:33.000 Right.

01:28:35.000 Yeah.

01:28:35.000 Melvin Manhoff.

01:28:36.000 Yeah!

01:28:37.000 Yeah! 1.00

01:28:38.000 Fucking, uh, cyborg. 1.00

01:28:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:42.000 Yeah.

01:28:42.000 If he didn't have it before, after that knee, he's got it now.

01:28:45.000 He probably has it.

01:28:46.000 But if he has it after, you know, just two, I'm sure I already have it then.

01:28:51.000 Like we all, I promise you.

01:28:53.000 How many football players, you know?

01:28:54.000 They all have it.

01:28:55.000 My cousin had concussions and multiple concussions just playing high school football, you know?

01:29:00.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:29:02.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:29:03.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:29:04.000 That's probably, I mean, if you could see it, that would probably be an epidemic right now.

01:29:09.000 If you could see who had it.

01:29:11.000 Right.

01:29:11.000 If it was like a light bulb that went off on their head.

01:29:13.000 What do we know about it, though?

01:29:16.000 It's degenerative.

01:29:17.000 It takes time to show its full effects.

01:29:19.000 Eight to ten years after you're diagnosed with it, you really start seeing the damage because it slowly gets worse. 0.99

01:29:24.000 You start drooling and shit like that. 0.97

01:29:25.000 Depending, of course, on whether or not you still receive damage. 0.99

01:29:29.000 Supposedly, there's some athletes, some NFL athletes that either killed themselves or did some extremely violent things because they weren't fully functioning.

01:29:38.000 Yeah.

01:29:38.000 Like that Will Smith movie.

01:29:40.000 Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

01:29:43.000 Yeah, it's not...

01:29:44.000 Think about these... 1.00

01:29:46.000 The WWF guys, the pro wrestlers, they always end up dying of these fucking psychotic, fucking crazy deaths. 1.00

01:29:53.000 And then everyone's like, oh, they're on steroids. 1.00

01:29:54.000 Well, maybe they get fucking slammed in the head. 0.97

01:29:57.000 Have you seen Kurt Angle outside of the ring lately? 1.00

01:30:00.000 No.

01:30:01.000 He looks like crippled. 0.96

01:30:02.000 He can't even turn his head.

01:30:04.000 He can't even hardly move.

01:30:04.000 He looks like Batman.

01:30:05.000 Looks terrible.

01:30:06.000 And then they turn the camera on and he's like, oh, he pulls it together. 0.97

01:30:09.000 But he looks really fucking bad, huh? 0.96

01:30:11.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:30:13.000 A buddy of mine just went to a high school football game, and he said in a high school football game he saw six kids get laid out, just laid out, where they boom, collide, and these kids are just laying down, fucking knocked unconscious, 0.99

01:30:28.000 out of their fucking mind, in a high school football game. 0.99

01:30:31.000 Think about that, though. 1.00

01:30:32.000 I mean, you're taking some of the best athletes in their school, but when you get to the NFL level, some of the best athletes in the world, you put them in a box and you just say, go, 60 times, and they just run into each other.

01:30:46.000 That's what it is.

01:30:47.000 Yeah.

01:30:47.000 You know?

01:30:49.000 They're going to have brain trauma.

01:30:51.000 There's no way around that.

01:30:52.000 Way before all of the money comes in and all of the other people guiding you come into play.

01:30:58.000 You know, when you're...

01:30:59.000 A high school kid. 1.00

01:31:01.000 And then you've got these fucking crazy dads. 1.00

01:31:03.000 They're like, come on, son. 1.00

01:31:03.000 You're going to be tough. 1.00

01:31:04.000 My cousin had a broken ankle but still played the fucking state championship. 0.99

01:31:10.000 In Ohio, it was a big football town. 0.99

01:31:13.000 He had multiple concussions and playing with injuries and all that shit because it was a big deal. 0.99

01:31:18.000 Yeah, you've got to be a man. 0.99

01:31:20.000 Yeah, you've got to be a man. 0.99

01:31:21.000 Crazy.

01:31:21.000 The biggest fight in kickboxing history.

01:31:23.000 Butterheart is an excellent fighter, but it's my time.

01:31:25.000 I am the champ.

01:31:28.000 Fighting with shin protection and headgear is already a household name in Japan, where the real men were fighting.

01:31:34.000 Such a G. That's probably like the fourth thing that they were like, no, you can't say that.

01:31:39.000 I love that.

01:31:39.000 And he wrote another one, no, you can't say that.

01:31:41.000 Okay, fine.

01:31:42.000 Your household name, okay, we'll take that.

01:31:45.000 That's going to be a crazy fight, man. 0.99

01:31:47.000 Yeah, the real problem with all this CTE shit is there's nothing they can do about it. 0.99

01:31:53.000 It's not like you get a broken bone and they can put in a titanium rod and they can screw it in place and yeah, I'm going to heal up. 0.99

01:32:01.000 I'll be alright after a while.

01:32:04.000 CBD. But it's just that we don't know that yet.

01:32:07.000 I mean, there's nothing they can do about it now.

01:32:10.000 Right.

01:32:11.000 So I guess the next step would be to figure out a way to test for it while people are still alive.

01:32:17.000 What do you got up here, Jamie?

01:32:19.000 What is this?

01:32:19.000 Is this Joe Namath?

01:32:20.000 Yeah, he's got under hyperbaric oxygen therapy, it says.

01:32:25.000 And he says, this is his quote right here, he's got a trial he's trying to get some money for at a research center where they're going to do testing to see if they can...

01:32:33.000 So as my thinking is much clearer, he explains, finding the right words has become easier and I remember events with more clarity.

01:32:39.000 One of the really great results in my sleep has improved.

01:32:42.000 I sleep more soundly and I have vivid dreams.

01:32:45.000 With the therapy now completed, Joe maintains that the lasting benefits are both mental and physical and now more energy and strength.

01:32:52.000 I feel great. 0.99

01:32:55.000 How much pussy do you think he's getting still? 1.00

01:32:57.000 Joe Namath used to walk around with a fucking gigantic fur coat on back when you could wear fur. 1.00

01:33:02.000 Just balling out of control in the 1970s. 0.99

01:33:08.000 Those old school dudes, man.

01:33:10.000 Old school football players. 1.00

01:33:11.000 They get fucking banged up. 0.99

01:33:14.000 So yeah, I think now that they've recognized this as a thing, then they can start looking at how you fix it or whatever. 0.99

01:33:21.000 But I'm sure CBD oil and altitude hyperbaric chambers and all that shit, right?

01:33:28.000 Well, hyperbaric is the exact opposite of altitude. 0.71

01:33:32.000 Like high altitude is low oxygen.

01:33:34.000 Hyperbaric is high altitude or high oxygen.

01:33:37.000 So they find that if they oversaturate you with oxygen, that all of your cells tend to open up and then it starts to figure out new ways to repair itself is the idea between that.

01:33:47.000 It's supposed to be great for broken bones.

01:33:50.000 It's supposed to be great when people have injuries, like recovery time decreases.

01:33:54.000 The red blood cells, it increases your red blood cells, right?

01:33:57.000 And that's what helps with the healing.

01:33:59.000 No, I think that's the hyper...

01:34:02.000 The one with less oxygen increases the red blood cells, I think.

01:34:06.000 The more oxygen is what repairs.

01:34:10.000 And I think that's supposed to be really good for...

01:34:12.000 I did it a few times to repair from knockouts.

01:34:16.000 Did you feel it?

01:34:17.000 Do you feel a difference?

01:34:18.000 I never felt a difference ever, like negatively, but I just did it to be safe.

01:34:23.000 Are you one of those guys that doesn't feel like the effects of things?

01:34:27.000 Say you're taking some supplement that's supposed to be great and you don't really feel it?

01:34:31.000 No, I feel like I have a really good awareness of my body.

01:34:34.000 I try to be really good about that.

01:34:36.000 But I mean, after being knocked out, I felt... 0.97

01:34:39.000 I've been knocked out, I think, two times, three times now, where it was like a half hour after the fire where I still look pretty fucked up, you know? 0.88

01:34:46.000 And then after that happens, I'm really aware of it. 0.91

01:34:49.000 I even ask my girl, like, am I being normal?

01:34:51.000 Am I slower? 0.99

01:34:53.000 I'm like, fuck, I keep forgetting my car keys. 1.00

01:34:55.000 I'm like, dude, you're high as fuck all the time. 1.00

01:34:58.000 I'm like, are you sure I'm not, like, dumber? 1.00

01:35:00.000 Like, no, just, you're high. 0.99

01:35:03.000 You always lost your keys, babe. 0.84

01:35:05.000 Ironically, good for your brain.

01:35:07.000 Yeah.

01:35:08.000 Good for inflammation.

01:35:11.000 But you never know.

01:35:12.000 You don't want to end up being that guy that is slurring and is slower.

01:35:15.000 We've all seen those punchy guys in the gym.

01:35:18.000 And those guys who are punchy in the gym, they start talking about fighting again.

01:35:22.000 We've all seen those guys.

01:35:24.000 In their mind, they're just getting in shape.

01:35:27.000 They still got it.

01:35:28.000 They can go back and do it again.

01:35:30.000 And you just want to tell them, yeah, man.

01:35:32.000 Joe, you said, after you get knocked out once or twice, 30 minutes later.

01:35:41.000 So, I've been knocked out like two or three times also, but only one of them do I remember not remembering a big chunk of change.

01:35:51.000 So, when I fought Stout...

01:35:53.000 I don't remember leaving the cage.

01:35:56.000 I don't remember walking back.

01:35:58.000 I remember sitting there with Tyron and somebody else in the doctor and I'm talking and I'm literally saying something and then I realize my wife's in here.

01:36:09.000 My consciousness comes back to me while I'm speaking to Tyron.

01:36:14.000 I'm talking to Tyron and I'm looking at my wife like, why the hell is she back here? 0.96

01:36:17.000 And then I ask him and he told me what happened and I couldn't believe it.

01:36:21.000 I didn't remember fighting any of that.

01:36:25.000 I don't remember any of that.

01:36:27.000 I just know what happened because I watched the tape.

01:36:29.000 So to this day you don't have a functional memory.

01:36:32.000 No, I saw Stitch that night and he was like, we talked on your way backstage.

01:36:36.000 I don't remember that conversation at all.

01:36:39.000 I don't remember the walk from the octagon back to the doctor's office.

01:36:44.000 I think two or three times I've been knocked out.

01:36:47.000 Three times probably I've been knocked out.

01:36:50.000 It was just one time where that's ever happened.

01:36:52.000 It's the exact same thing.

01:36:53.000 Was it the last one?

01:36:55.000 No.

01:36:55.000 It was my first one, actually.

01:36:58.000 Or second one.

01:37:00.000 When Simon...

01:37:02.000 No.

01:37:03.000 Was it Simon?

01:37:04.000 I think it was Eddie Walker.

01:37:06.000 Did you go out?

01:37:07.000 In the lion fight.

01:37:07.000 I was winning the entire fight and went for one fast thing and got clipped.

01:37:12.000 And they woke me up in the ring.

01:37:15.000 And they walked me backstage, but I don't remember walking backstage.

01:37:19.000 And I remember Scott Kent, the Lion Fight promoter, was checking on me and talking to me.

01:37:24.000 And I came to as I was talking to him.

01:37:27.000 And I'm like, oh, coach, I need your phone.

01:37:29.000 I call my girl, let her know.

01:37:30.000 I'm okay, because I know they watched it.

01:37:32.000 And I call, and she's laughing. 0.99

01:37:34.000 I'm like, what the fuck are you laughing about? 0.99

01:37:36.000 I just got knocked out. 0.99

01:37:37.000 She's like, this is the fourth time you called me.

01:37:39.000 And I was like, oh.

01:37:41.000 Other than that, I've been cool ever since then.

01:37:43.000 I asked the question a bunch of times.

01:37:45.000 It was a good 15 minutes that I had no recollection of.

01:37:48.000 Yeah, that's the big one, right?

01:37:50.000 What happened?

01:37:50.000 You tell them, and then they ask you again, what happened?

01:37:52.000 You always see that with the guy in the back locker room.

01:37:54.000 Like, oh, what happened though?

01:37:56.000 And like five minutes later, like, what happened?

01:37:58.000 Like, bro, he still got knocked out. 0.99

01:38:00.000 Like, he got fucked up. 0.99

01:38:02.000 That's kind of scary. 1.00

01:38:03.000 That is such a weird thing.

01:38:06.000 The missing time thing.

01:38:09.000 Yeah, because you're interacting with people and what is that?

01:38:13.000 What part of your brain is turned off for that period of time?

01:38:18.000 Yeah.

01:38:19.000 That's strange.

01:38:20.000 It's scary, too.

01:38:21.000 That was why after Overeem fought Stipe, I was like, you can't do this anymore.

01:38:26.000 You can't interview guys and they got knocked out.

01:38:28.000 It's just not fair.

01:38:29.000 It's just not...

01:38:29.000 It's not right.

01:38:31.000 That was really cool of you to do that.

01:38:32.000 I'm a fighter from that perspective. 0.99

01:38:34.000 That was dope shit that you did. 0.99

01:38:36.000 You said that and stuck up for that. 1.00

01:38:37.000 Because watching it as a fighter...

01:38:39.000 I'm the type of guy...

01:38:41.000 If somebody starts saying something embarrassing, I almost want to turn it off.

01:38:44.000 I get embarrassed for people all the time.

01:38:47.000 Yeah.

01:38:48.000 People think that, like I said, hung Ole Ream out to dry.

01:38:52.000 I didn't know if he was right or not.

01:38:53.000 Yeah.

01:38:54.000 I didn't know.

01:38:54.000 I mean, if you don't know what we're talking about, after the fight, Ole Ream got knocked out, knocked out pretty bad.

01:38:59.000 But it was a fight where there was moments where he had his moments in the fight.

01:39:03.000 He tagged Stipe, had Stipe rocked.

01:39:06.000 I mean, it was a crazy one round.

01:39:08.000 And after the fight, he said, you know, that Stipe won, but that he feels that Stipe tapped.

01:39:15.000 That he got a hold of the guillotine and Stipe tapped.

01:39:17.000 And I went, whoa.

01:39:18.000 Okay, well, let's take a look at it.

01:39:20.000 And we couldn't see it.

01:39:22.000 And then I said, do you think it's at another angle?

01:39:24.000 And he said, yes, I do.

01:39:25.000 Okay, let's see it again.

01:39:26.000 So we showed it a different angle.

01:39:27.000 There was definitely no tap.

01:39:29.000 And so then I'm like, this poor dude. 0.98

01:39:31.000 Like, he just, in front of all these fucking people in Cleveland, he just gets knocked out, and now it makes it look like he's a sore loser, but you can't count on his memory right now. 0.98

01:39:43.000 He just got shut off, and Alistair's been shut off a ton of times. 0.97

01:39:48.000 He's lost in the UFC by knockout.

01:39:51.000 He's lost to Travis Brown by knockout.

01:39:53.000 He's lost to Ben Rothwell by knockout.

01:39:57.000 Yeah, but this is just in the UFC. Oh, just in the UFC. Bigfoot Silva by knockout.

01:40:00.000 Stipe Miocic by knockout.

01:40:02.000 Am I missing anybody?

01:40:03.000 He's been KO'd four times just in the UFC. At least, right?

01:40:08.000 Has anybody else KO'd him?

01:40:10.000 No, I think that's it.

01:40:11.000 In the UFC. Then, you gotta think, all the times he's been KO'd.

01:40:17.000 Sergey Karatanov knocked him out.

01:40:20.000 Shogun knocked him out twice, right?

01:40:23.000 Didn't he?

01:40:25.000 Chuck.

01:40:25.000 Chuck knocked him out.

01:40:27.000 Yeah.

01:40:28.000 Chuck KO'd him.

01:40:28.000 Brutal KO. Yeah, Botter knocked him out.

01:40:32.000 Botter stopped him.

01:40:33.000 But the Botter stoppage wasn't the worst one in the world.

01:40:35.000 It was a two knockout, two knockdown thing in a tournament.

01:40:39.000 You know, he got knocked down, and they stopped the fight. 0.98

01:40:41.000 I didn't even get knocked down, but he was fucking wobbled. 0.96

01:40:44.000 Yeah, he got wobbled in the last one, he got kicked, and he fell down, and that was it. 0.96

01:40:48.000 So, I mean, a ton of KOs.

01:40:52.000 A ton of KO losses.

01:40:54.000 This should be a really good fight, by the way.

01:40:56.000 It should be a really good fight.

01:40:57.000 Varga's super tactical, and Ruse Malin's on fire right now.

01:41:02.000 Is Roos Mullen, is he thinking about doing MMA? Because I see him at Black Zillions a lot. 0.99

01:41:06.000 Yeah, he's had a couple MMA fights, I think, just recently.

01:41:11.000 But he's been training with Black Zillions, I think, for at least a year now. 1.00

01:41:15.000 Bouncing back and forth.

01:41:17.000 Yeah, Varga's really, really technical and real tricky, but I just think Roos Mullen's got the experience, the high-level experience and the power.

01:41:27.000 Being in the locker room with With Bruce Mullen hitting pads, he's probably the hardest I've ever seen anybody. 0.99

01:41:32.000 Like, most impressive pad holder, where he was like, whoa, what the fuck? 0.99

01:41:36.000 Really? 1.00

01:41:36.000 And I'm like, fuck! 1.00

01:41:37.000 More than Melvin? 1.00

01:41:38.000 Yeah.

01:41:39.000 Well, I've never, yeah.

01:41:40.000 You've never seen Melvin?

01:41:41.000 Yeah, I've never seen him in the pads.

01:41:42.000 Dude, there's a video of Melvin and Mike holding the pads from Melvin, and you're just like, Jesus Christ.

01:41:48.000 For the Glory 10. Fight.

01:41:50.000 In the tournament.

01:41:51.000 Somehow we end up in this little tiny room.

01:41:53.000 And Semi Schilt's in this little tiny room with us too. 0.99

01:41:55.000 And there's like no fucking... 0.98

01:41:56.000 There's like eight guys. 0.99

01:41:58.000 One of them is Semi Schilt. 0.90

01:41:59.000 In this tiny little room to warm up.

01:42:02.000 Robin starts hitting pads.

01:42:03.000 I didn't know who Robin was or whatever.

01:42:05.000 And like, as soon as he hit the pad the first time, I was like, yo, move out of this guy's, give him some space.

01:42:10.000 Call him sir. 1.00

01:42:11.000 Like, he was fucking hitting hard as shit. 1.00

01:42:14.000 Hitting hard as shit. 1.00

01:42:15.000 And he's only, what is he, 145 pounds? 0.99

01:42:18.000 This one is his first fight at 145, but he was 55, and he's a big fella.

01:42:23.000 He was probably walking around at 180 pounds.

01:42:26.000 But he's pretty short, right?

01:42:27.000 He's like 5'7", 5'6".

01:42:29.000 He looks real lean.

01:42:32.000 Right now.

01:42:34.000 Yeah, this is an interesting fight.

01:42:36.000 Because Varga, like you said, real technical.

01:42:39.000 And he's not like a real chance taker.

01:42:41.000 He fights a smart fight.

01:42:45.000 Whereas Bruce Malin's super aggressive.

01:42:48.000 Yeah.

01:42:50.000 Then you got the other factor, Bruce Mullen cutting his weight to 45. Then also being in Denver, high altitude, and he had a hard weight cut.

01:42:58.000 Right.

01:42:58.000 This is a three-rounder though, right?

01:43:01.000 Five-round.

01:43:02.000 It's a title fight.

01:43:03.000 And then Vargas from Canada, which I'm assuming is probably high altitude.

01:43:08.000 Because it's up north.

01:43:11.000 What about Montreal?

01:43:12.000 Can we get a fact check on that?

01:43:13.000 Montreal is at sea level.

01:43:15.000 Is it?

01:43:15.000 So is Vancouver.

01:43:16.000 No fucking idea. 0.99

01:43:17.000 It's on the ocean. 1.00

01:43:19.000 A boat?

01:43:21.000 Wait, Vargas, I thought he lost the belt.

01:43:24.000 No.

01:43:25.000 Didn't he?

01:43:26.000 I don't know.

01:43:27.000 I feel like, no.

01:43:29.000 No.

01:43:30.000 I don't know.

01:43:30.000 I don't know, we'll find out.

01:43:32.000 I thought he lost it to that Adam Chuck dude. 0.98

01:43:34.000 Well, Glory, if they're in negotiations and it doesn't go well, they just fucking give your belt to somebody else. 0.96

01:43:42.000 Is that how it works, Joe? 0.99

01:43:44.000 Yeah, this shit ain't going... 0.99

01:43:45.000 This shit ain't going correct. 1.00

01:43:47.000 I'm being very diplomatic right now. 0.99

01:43:54.000 You were talking about Melvin, Joe.

01:43:56.000 And that dude is an athlete, right?

01:44:00.000 Yeah.

01:44:00.000 When he was down on American Top Team, I threw the football at him.

01:44:03.000 He threw a football back at me and the thing came back like a helicopter.

01:44:07.000 Well, he's from Holland.

01:44:09.000 I know.

01:44:09.000 They don't even know what a football is.

01:44:11.000 It was still weird.

01:44:13.000 He's a stud. 1.00

01:44:13.000 But it's still whizzing back at you like a fucking... 1.00

01:44:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:44:16.000 That dude's a stud.

01:44:19.000 Scary striker.

01:44:20.000 Knocked out Mark Hunt with one punch.

01:44:22.000 Man.

01:44:24.000 In an MMA fight, and he was outweighed by literally 100 pounds.

01:44:29.000 Yeah.

01:44:30.000 Yeah, I mean Mark Hunt was close to 300 pounds, and Melvin was somewhere around 200 pounds.

01:44:35.000 Probably less than 200 pounds.

01:44:37.000 Probably like 190, 185. KO'd him with one shot.

01:44:40.000 Yeah, Melvin's probably one of my favorite fighters of all time.

01:44:43.000 But if there was a fight on TV, I'm always going to turn on a Melvin man. 0.99

01:44:46.000 When you knocked him out, was that a special victory for you because of that?

01:44:50.000 Yeah, well he was my first big...

01:44:53.000 Big name, I guess, for MMA. It was one of my big names.

01:44:57.000 It was a guy I really looked up to and really respected a lot.

01:45:02.000 It meant a lot to me that I wasn't even going to fight him.

01:45:05.000 But I think that also helped me stay motivated going into it.

01:45:08.000 I had so much respect for him.

01:45:10.000 My worst fights are guys that I don't think...

01:45:13.000 I look at him like, I don't think he's that good.

01:45:15.000 I don't mean to take him lightly, but I just see them and I'm like, this is not a scary guy.

01:45:20.000 Almost all my losses have been that way. 1.00

01:45:23.000 Ego's a motherfucker, dude. 1.00

01:45:25.000 Ego will protect you, make you think you're going to be alright. 1.00

01:45:28.000 We tend to fight to your caliber.

01:45:30.000 Oh! 0.60

01:45:33.000 Beautiful.

01:45:34.000 Nice left hook. 0.99

01:45:36.000 Ethan Stein from Glory.

01:45:39.000 He's one of the social media team, and I was talking to him today, and I bet money on this fight.

01:45:43.000 I think his jaw.

01:45:44.000 Is he saying his jaw's broken?

01:45:46.000 Oh, his mouthpiece came out.

01:45:50.000 Oh, he didn't have it in.

01:45:54.000 Oh man, he didn't have his mouthpiece out at the beginning of the round.

01:45:58.000 Oh man, he fought the round without his mouthpiece.

01:46:01.000 That's on his corner.

01:46:02.000 Yeah, big time.

01:46:03.000 And him, like you forgot your mouthpiece wasn't in? 0.99

01:46:06.000 Unless he got stunned in the first round, didn't know what the fuck was going on. 1.00

01:46:09.000 Yeah, you got other shit going on. 1.00

01:46:10.000 Oh, he just got cracked again. 1.00

01:46:11.000 You got other shit going on. 1.00

01:46:14.000 Don't believe that shit. 1.00

01:46:16.000 This Thug Jitsu motherfucker, you know if your mouthpiece is in or not. 1.00

01:46:20.000 I know, but I don't know. 0.99

01:46:22.000 He might be zoned in.

01:46:24.000 He's from Canada.

01:46:25.000 They're different up there.

01:46:27.000 It's a different gene pool.

01:46:30.000 Roos Malen.

01:46:34.000 Funny thing about Roos Malen, he has that Dutch style.

01:46:36.000 They very rarely block leg kicks.

01:46:38.000 They're just the...

01:46:40.000 You know, the typical Dutch style is almost who's tougher. 1.00

01:46:45.000 They get hit, they answer right back.

01:46:46.000 And I forget which fight it was.

01:46:49.000 But I texted Robin to congratulate him after the fight.

01:46:53.000 I was like, you have to be...

01:46:54.000 It was Curia. 0.97

01:46:55.000 And his legs were all fucking purple and his ribs were all messed up. 0.96

01:46:59.000 And he's like, no, I'm never injured. 0.95

01:47:01.000 After my fight, I never have a problem.

01:47:04.000 I'm never sore.

01:47:05.000 And I owe my... 0.99

01:47:07.000 I already know going into the fight, like, if anybody has, like, an extra bike in their tomb, I'm going to break my fucking feet every time. 0.99

01:47:16.000 How many times have you broken your feet? 0.99

01:47:17.000 I've broken all my toes, like, at least twice.

01:47:20.000 I have a...

01:47:22.000 A couple wedge joints on my right foot that pretty regularly pop out of the socket after a fight.

01:47:30.000 The joints just don't come back.

01:47:33.000 A lot of the joints in the foot are kind of like this, and then once you break them, they go over top of each other.

01:47:39.000 Oh, he went down again!

01:47:40.000 And you just kind of get that back in there. 0.99

01:47:43.000 Damn. 0.99

01:47:45.000 Bruce Mullen's on a tear. 1.00

01:47:47.000 Dude, he's got so much power.

01:47:48.000 And especially down at 143, I guess.

01:47:52.000 What's the other glory rule?

01:47:53.000 Not the three knockdown, but not in one round, but in the whole fight?

01:47:58.000 I think it's four knockdowns in a fight?

01:48:00.000 Is that what it is?

01:48:01.000 Yeah.

01:48:02.000 Oh, stunned him.

01:48:04.000 But those are only for tournaments.

01:48:07.000 Oh, okay. 0.96

01:48:11.000 Tournaments are so fucking crazy. 0.99

01:48:13.000 They really are. 0.98

01:48:14.000 Tie up, tie up.

01:48:16.000 There we go.

01:48:19.000 Just get out and reset, man.

01:48:21.000 Man.

01:48:23.000 I wonder if they're going to show that tooth flying out.

01:48:30.000 Remember Girard Gordell?

01:48:32.000 Yeah, it went flying into the audience.

01:48:35.000 That sumo dude, yeah.

01:48:37.000 That was UFC 1. The soccer kick?

01:48:41.000 Was he on his knees?

01:48:42.000 No, he was getting up.

01:48:43.000 Oh.

01:48:46.000 I remember that.

01:48:47.000 I came home from school and I read in the TV Guide magazine or whatever.

01:48:52.000 It had kickboxing versus judo versus karate versus something.

01:48:56.000 I was like, I begged my stepdad.

01:48:59.000 I was like, here, here's the 20 bucks, please.

01:49:01.000 I just want to watch this.

01:49:02.000 This is going to be awesome.

01:49:05.000 Were you doing martial arts then?

01:49:06.000 I was doing traditional martial arts.

01:49:08.000 What kind?

01:49:09.000 Kung Fu.

01:49:10.000 Wow!

01:49:12.000 How long had you been doing it for?

01:49:14.000 About two years at that point.

01:49:17.000 So when you were fighting like Aaron Riley, you were really only doing martial arts for like six, seven years, huh?

01:49:23.000 Yeah.

01:49:24.000 Wow, that's interesting, man.

01:49:26.000 You were a quick learner.

01:49:27.000 Thanks.

01:49:27.000 It was fun, man.

01:49:29.000 It's easy to pick up on something when you like doing it, though, right?

01:49:31.000 Of course, and when you're young, and you're free, and you don't have kids, and you're obsessed, and you don't know you're vulnerable yet.

01:49:39.000 You're always in shape.

01:49:40.000 You make it tired.

01:49:41.000 You're full of energy.

01:49:43.000 Live off McDonald's.

01:49:44.000 Yeah.

01:49:44.000 All day.

01:49:48.000 That's the most awesome thing, man, eating burgers, going to the gym.

01:49:52.000 Yeah, I remember hearing that about Michael Jordan, that Michael Jordan would eat a Big Mac before every big game. 0.99

01:49:58.000 I'd be like, what in the fuck? 0.99

01:50:03.000 I guess if you eat good all the time, you could kind of get away with that, but you really only get away with that when you're in your 20s. 1.00

01:50:10.000 I don't think that was true. 0.97

01:50:11.000 It's not bullshit? 0.99

01:50:12.000 He had steak and potato as his game meal. 0.98

01:50:15.000 I think he was just sponsored by McDonald's, so they might have had it.

01:50:17.000 Oh! 0.60

01:50:20.000 Interesting.

01:50:20.000 Very interesting.

01:50:22.000 Steak and potatoes make sense.

01:50:24.000 It makes sense today.

01:50:27.000 There's a lot of clips of Floyd Mayweather eating McDonald's cheeseburgers and drinking Mountain Dew between rounds.

01:50:35.000 Well, he apparently likes to drink soda while he's fighting to replenish his sugar.

01:50:40.000 Or not while he's fighting, while he's training.

01:50:41.000 To replenish his sugar.

01:50:43.000 He'll have a long workout and he'll drink a Coke.

01:50:45.000 And isn't he the only guy in Nevada that's allowed to drink Gatorade between rounds?

01:50:49.000 What? 0.98

01:50:50.000 How the fuck did they work that out? 0.99

01:50:52.000 Look it up. 0.99

01:50:54.000 Really?

01:50:54.000 Pull it up, Jamie.

01:50:55.000 Look it up, Jamie.

01:50:56.000 Is that really possible?

01:50:57.000 Yeah, he drinks like Gatorade between rounds.

01:50:59.000 That doesn't seem fair. 0.99

01:50:59.000 And they've talked about it, and they're like, wait, who the fuck is allowed to do this? 0.99

01:51:03.000 He's like, oh, it's Floyd Mayweather. 0.99

01:51:04.000 He can do what he wants.

01:51:05.000 That doesn't seem fair.

01:51:06.000 How could that be?

01:51:07.000 How is that possible?

01:51:08.000 It's when you're undefeated.

01:51:09.000 Why do I remember that, though?

01:51:10.000 It's when you own Nevada.

01:51:11.000 Like, when you are, you know, the amount of money that he brings in.

01:51:15.000 Right.

01:51:16.000 What does it say?

01:51:17.000 What does it say?

01:51:17.000 Phew.

01:51:18.000 Roll it back there.

01:51:20.000 Vargas.

01:51:21.000 Vargas barred from drinking Gatorade.

01:51:23.000 Fernando?

01:51:24.000 Is that Fernando Vargas?

01:51:25.000 What year is this?

01:51:27.000 2006. Oh, 2006. Damn, Fernando Vargas was still fighting in 2006. Interesting.

01:51:35.000 He was banned from drinking Gatorade in his corner between rounds.

01:51:38.000 The middleweight rematch against Shane Mosley.

01:51:41.000 Junior middleweight.

01:51:42.000 Yeah, Vargas takes a lot of leg kick. 0.83

01:51:44.000 Pull up Gatorade and Floyd.

01:51:46.000 Floyd Mayweather.

01:51:48.000 It didn't come out? 1.00

01:51:50.000 Maybe Joe Schilling just made that shit out? 1.00

01:51:52.000 No. 1.00

01:51:52.000 No, buddy. 1.00

01:51:55.000 Joe Schilling doesn't trust your Googling skills, Jamie.

01:51:57.000 He's on his phone.

01:51:59.000 I'm going to go to YouTube and find the video.

01:52:02.000 I don't know if they got fact-checked, but look. 0.99

01:52:04.000 He's drinking fucking purple water. 1.00

01:52:06.000 Front kicked him in the face. 1.00

01:52:08.000 It happened, but I'm trying to find the pictures of it or something.

01:52:13.000 When that Vargas thing came up, that reminded me of something I brought up to you earlier, Rogan.

01:52:19.000 My favorite fight from back then?

01:52:22.000 I think you will like this one.

01:52:25.000 Makako vs.

01:52:26.000 Pele.

01:52:26.000 Oh yeah, man.

01:52:28.000 The first one.

01:52:29.000 Dude, old school.

01:52:31.000 Old school.

01:52:32.000 Do you remember when Pele fought Chuck?

01:52:35.000 Pele fought Chuck Liddell and they fought in one of those rings with their ropes.

01:52:39.000 The net at the bottom.

01:52:40.000 With the net at the bottom. 1.00

01:52:41.000 Yeah, remember that shit? 1.00

01:52:42.000 With no gloves. 1.00

01:52:43.000 No gloves.

01:52:44.000 Yeah, old school.

01:52:46.000 Floyd Mayweather vs. 0.94

01:52:47.000 Manny Pacquiao.

01:52:49.000 Was it then?

01:52:52.000 Yeah.

01:52:52.000 It was like a recent fight that I noticed it.

01:52:55.000 Gatorade in between rounds.

01:52:56.000 Must be nice to own Nevada State Athletic Commission.

01:52:59.000 Oh, Michael Chiesa!

01:53:01.000 Michael Chiesa, UFC fighter, put that up there.

01:53:03.000 Oh, really?

01:53:04.000 Yeah, what is that? 0.99

01:53:05.000 How the fuck does he have Gatorade? 0.99

01:53:07.000 Okay. 0.99

01:53:09.000 Hmm.

01:53:11.000 Look at that.

01:53:11.000 All those MMA fighters commenting.

01:53:13.000 Michael Page commented on a Floyd Mayweather fight.

01:53:16.000 Really?

01:53:16.000 Interesting.

01:53:19.000 What do you think about this upcoming Kovalev-Andre Ward fight?

01:53:24.000 Andre Ward.

01:53:25.000 You think so?

01:53:25.000 Yeah.

01:53:26.000 Really?

01:53:26.000 I think Andre Ward's...

01:53:28.000 He's a bad motherfucker, but Kovalev's a big guy. 0.99

01:53:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:53:32.000 I just think he's just...

01:53:33.000 I think pound for pound is...

01:53:34.000 I think it's got to be Andre Ward.

01:53:39.000 He's just so smart.

01:53:41.000 These guys are going off.

01:53:43.000 Varga's making a comeback here a little bit.

01:53:49.000 Another one?

01:53:50.000 Floyd Mayweather, the money team might be the only corner I've ever seen a lot of drink Gatorade during a fight.

01:53:55.000 Aljamain Sterling, another MMA fighter.

01:53:57.000 All us peasants are demoted to water.

01:54:02.000 Mayweather-Berto.

01:54:03.000 That was a different fight.

01:54:04.000 See, all of us see it when we're watching. 1.00

01:54:05.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:54:06.000 I never got to drink Gatorade. 1.00

01:54:08.000 Mike Dolce.

01:54:09.000 Can someone please explain why Floyd Mayweather can drink Gatorade during the fight and Nevada State Athletic Commission threatens to spend us for anything but unsealed water?

01:54:17.000 Interesting.

01:54:19.000 Interesting.

01:54:20.000 Hmm.

01:54:21.000 I wonder what that was about.

01:54:23.000 They were just so happy.

01:54:25.000 He was making them so much money.

01:54:26.000 Yeah, he makes them so much money.

01:54:28.000 Just such a smart guy in terms of, like, his style was never the kind of style that would make a bunch of people come out to see him fight. 0.97

01:54:36.000 But all that shit-talking made all those people want to come see him lose. 0.80

01:54:40.000 It's weird, though, because some of his fights, you see his offense. 0.99

01:54:45.000 Think about Cotto, think about...

01:54:48.000 Zab Judah. 0.90

01:54:49.000 Zab Judah. 0.90

01:54:50.000 Victor Ortiz.

01:54:52.000 But that was the weird one.

01:54:55.000 Angel Manfredi.

01:54:56.000 Not Angel Manfredi.

01:54:59.000 Was it Angel Manfredi?

01:55:00.000 Manfredo.

01:55:03.000 Manfredo.

01:55:04.000 Yeah, I don't remember. 1.00

01:55:05.000 Giving him fucking Gatorade. 1.00

01:55:07.000 That is fucking crazy. 1.00

01:55:09.000 Gatorade! 1.00

01:55:09.000 They are opening up a goddamn Gatorade. 1.00

01:55:12.000 It's a purple drink. 1.00

01:55:14.000 It's a purple drink.

01:55:16.000 That is crazy.

01:55:18.000 His dad's giving him Gatorade.

01:55:20.000 That's so illegal.

01:55:22.000 Wow! 1.00

01:55:23.000 How the fuck did they get away with that? 1.00

01:55:27.000 Amazing. 1.00

01:55:27.000 That's amazing. 1.00

01:55:30.000 That's some Panama Louis shit right there. 0.99

01:55:32.000 Yeah, I was just thinking that. 0.99

01:55:33.000 I was trying to think of my hands.

01:55:33.000 Give me the other bottle.

01:55:35.000 Yeah, the one I made.

01:55:37.000 The one I mixed.

01:55:40.000 Yeah.

01:55:40.000 All of a sudden he's...

01:55:41.000 Aaron Pryor.

01:55:43.000 Alexis Arguello.

01:55:44.000 Yeah, man.

01:55:44.000 Oh, Vuce Malin with a nasty left hook to the body there.

01:55:47.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:55:48.000 Another uppercut. 1.00

01:55:49.000 When I first joined ATT, Panama Lewis was in there sometime.

01:55:52.000 Whoa.

01:55:53.000 Was that like being next to the devil?

01:55:56.000 Because people don't remember the Billy Costello fight.

01:55:59.000 Do you remember that fight?

01:56:00.000 Ugh.

01:56:00.000 No.

01:56:02.000 Louis Resto was a fighter who fought this kid.

01:56:05.000 I think his name was Billy Costello Jr. And he was a real promising up-and-coming fighter.

01:56:10.000 And Louis Resto was a good boxer, but not like a knockout boxer, whereas Collins was a big knockout boxer. 0.51

01:56:16.000 So Louis Resto beats the shit out of That's when he took the stuff out of the gloves. 0.84

01:56:20.000 Exactly. 0.98

01:56:21.000 And the dad grabbed the glove and felt it.

01:56:25.000 The dad suspected it.

01:56:27.000 And after the fight, he grabbed ahold of Resto's gloves and Resto pulled away and there was no stuffing in the glove. 0.93

01:56:33.000 He just basically had hand wraps on and just bare knuckle beat the shit out of him. 1.00

01:56:37.000 And it fucked Collins up so bad that Collins' eyes, he lost his vision. 0.99

01:56:44.000 And he lost his ability to fight. 0.98

01:56:46.000 And so after that fight, he became a raging alcoholic and wound up committing suicide.

01:56:52.000 Drove into a tree.

01:56:53.000 I remember that.

01:56:54.000 I saw that documentary.

01:56:55.000 It was a really good documentary on YouTube.

01:56:56.000 Water and electrolyte drinks are allowed in the corner.

01:56:59.000 Any electrolyte drink must be brought to the arena in factory sealed plastic bottles.

01:57:05.000 Moreover, a contestant must provide the commission and its staff with any information about the requested drink in sufficient time to make a determination as to whether the drink is approvable.

01:57:15.000 Example, no stimulants, alcohol, drugs, or questionable ingredients.

01:57:18.000 Examples of electrolyte drinks that have been approved include Pedialyte, Vitamin Water, Smart Water, Option, Gatorade, Powerade, and Propel.

01:57:27.000 Huh.

01:57:28.000 Unless you're an MMA fighter.

01:57:30.000 Is that true?

01:57:31.000 I mean...

01:57:32.000 Is that what it is?

01:57:34.000 Oh, does boxing have different...

01:57:38.000 Is that Nevada?

01:57:40.000 So boxing has different rules?

01:57:42.000 Is that what it is?

01:57:45.000 What are you looking for, brother?

01:57:46.000 They have different weight classes.

01:57:48.000 Is that possible that boxing has different rules? 0.85

01:57:51.000 Do you want a real joint instead of that dirty roach? 0.99

01:57:54.000 I'm like, well, I'm going to smoke one of the fucking... 1.00

01:57:55.000 What's his name? 1.00

01:57:57.000 Fuck, that's delicious. 1.00

01:58:03.000 That's crazy. 1.00

01:58:04.000 Did they stop the fight? 1.00

01:58:06.000 Where we were talking shit. 1.00

01:58:09.000 Was that the fifth round? 0.99

01:58:11.000 I thought it did go into the fifth, but I don't remember.

01:58:14.000 I do remember seeing a four.

01:58:19.000 This guy's so clueless. 0.57

01:58:21.000 He's so gross, is that what you said? 0.99

01:58:22.000 So clueless. 0.99

01:58:23.000 Clueless?

01:58:24.000 Who's that?

01:58:27.000 What's that gentleman's name?

01:58:28.000 John Franklin.

01:58:30.000 He's the glory promoter.

01:58:33.000 Supposed to be the promoter.

01:58:35.000 The face of the thing.

01:58:41.000 So what happened here? 0.99

01:58:42.000 We were talking so much shit about Gatorade. 0.99

01:58:45.000 We missed the ending of this awesome fight. 1.00

01:58:51.000 What a night.

01:58:53.000 Boom.

01:58:55.000 Boom.

01:58:59.000 VARGA's really impressive.

01:59:00.000 He is.

01:59:01.000 He just let him get too close, man.

01:59:03.000 I remember him fighting on the Lion Fight cards with me coming up, and then he fought...

01:59:15.000 I'm watching him come up.

01:59:16.000 Him and Joe Valtellini were on the same cards, like his me, coming up at the same time in California.

01:59:22.000 So, seeing these guys, he's gotten really good.

01:59:25.000 And he's really technical.

01:59:27.000 He always gets his hands coming right back.

01:59:29.000 Robin Van Roo's model is just a super high level.

01:59:32.000 It's a gorilla.

01:59:33.000 It's weird how when the Canadians are good at Muay Thai, they're really good. 0.84

01:59:39.000 I just feel like...

01:59:42.000 There's not going to be Thai people or really good Thai fighters in Canada because it's cold. 1.00

01:59:47.000 Who wants to go there?

01:59:49.000 There's some really, really good...

01:59:51.000 No, I'm serious!

01:59:54.000 There's Mexicans in Canada.

01:59:57.000 People go where they can make a living, man.

01:59:58.000 There's Jamaicans in Canada.

01:59:59.000 Can we talk about this?

02:00:00.000 There's Jamaicans in Canada.

02:00:01.000 I was shocked.

02:00:02.000 I remember when I fought Simon.

02:00:05.000 It was the most talked about Muay Thai fight in the US. I'm pretty sure it still is.

02:00:13.000 We both started sending these videos back and forth, talking shit. 0.97

02:00:17.000 It was the first Conor McGregor, Chael Sonnen type thing that anybody had done. 0.97

02:00:22.000 It was a big part of my career.

02:00:24.000 We sold out the Hard Rock at the Lion Fight, which was the Lion Fight's biggest Gates or whatever have been all three of my fights, and two of them were with Simon. 0.83

02:00:35.000 So we're talking shit back and forth, and he speaks with a Jamaican accent, but I'm thinking he's Canadian. 1.00

02:00:42.000 And I'm like, oh, that's what a fake motherfucker. 1.00

02:00:44.000 Like, oh, you have a faker accent, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

02:00:49.000 And I'm like, what, you're one of two Jamaican people in Canada?

02:00:52.000 And apparently there's a huge Jamaican community in Canada, and I had no idea.

02:00:58.000 Wow, there's a lot of Bahamians in Canada, too.

02:01:00.000 I had no idea.

02:01:01.000 So, the Commonwealth Nations, the Bahamas is a Commonwealth Nation, and most of the Caribbean is, but I can move to Canada right now.

02:01:09.000 Oh, that's cool.

02:01:11.000 I can move to Canada.

02:01:12.000 I can live there for a long time.

02:01:14.000 I still have to get citizenship or get paperwork done, but when the UFC goes to Canada and everybody has to get a visa, things like that, I don't have to do that.

02:01:22.000 Huh.

02:01:24.000 Interesting.

02:01:25.000 I can just go there and work.

02:01:26.000 That's interesting.

02:01:28.000 But do you have US citizenship?

02:01:30.000 No.

02:01:31.000 You have a green card?

02:01:32.000 Yes. 0.99

02:01:33.000 So they can kick you out of America if you talk shit about Donald Trump or something like that? 1.00

02:01:37.000 Yeah, they could. 1.00

02:01:41.000 Get out of our country. 0.55

02:01:43.000 You don't like our new king. 0.99

02:01:46.000 He's pretty fucking close to being the new king, too. 0.97

02:01:48.000 That's so scary. 1.00

02:01:49.000 Just a couple WikiLeaks dumps that reveal more shit about Hillary Clinton. 0.99

02:01:57.000 People jump ship. 0.99

02:01:58.000 I do a podcast on SureDog, and I did one with Nick Lanson.

02:02:04.000 What's it called?

02:02:04.000 Plug it.

02:02:05.000 The Neutral Corner. 0.51

02:02:07.000 So I did one with Nick Lentz, and Lentz is all about, what do you call it, about Donald Trump.

02:02:15.000 Nick Lentz is?

02:02:16.000 Yeah.

02:02:16.000 Really?

02:02:16.000 Yeah, he loves Donald Trump.

02:02:19.000 He doesn't love Donald Trump.

02:02:20.000 He's not like, Donald Trump, yay!

02:02:22.000 But he's so anti-Hillary that he's like, Donald Trump, and this guy's fighting the establishment.

02:02:28.000 That's the way to go.

02:02:30.000 It's hard not to feel that way.

02:02:33.000 I think I'm just going to write in Bernie, to be honest with you.

02:02:37.000 Yeah, I think...

02:02:38.000 I don't even know if it's going to count, but I would still rather write it in Bernie.

02:02:40.000 And I was talking to my friends about this.

02:02:42.000 And it's because I don't... 0.99

02:02:45.000 I fucking hate both of them, but I can't figure out which one I hate more. 0.98

02:02:49.000 And if I did figure out which one I hate more, I don't trust that one not to make me regret voting for them either way. 1.00

02:02:54.000 You know what I mean? 0.98

02:02:55.000 I think you're screwed either way. 0.85

02:02:56.000 Well, it's such a problem having someone... 0.91

02:02:59.000 Either one of them, right, is a problem.

02:03:02.000 But it's a problem having someone who...

02:03:05.000 Is outside of the system.

02:03:07.000 They'd have to step inside of the system and try to figure out how to make things happen.

02:03:11.000 Like, I wonder how much...

02:03:13.000 It would be interesting to see if Donald Trump won just based on what happens when someone's a complete political outsider and they get to a position where they're running for president.

02:03:22.000 Like, Obama was an insider.

02:03:24.000 He had already been deeply entrenched in the system.

02:03:26.000 Hillary's obviously an insider. 0.99

02:03:28.000 What the fuck would have happened, you know, if Bernie Sanders got in? 0.98

02:03:32.000 What would happen if Donald Trump gets in? 0.98

02:03:35.000 If someone who's really pretty independent, you know?

02:03:40.000 Yeah, it's one of those things you have no idea because is the Senate and the Congress going to stand behind them?

02:03:46.000 Yeah.

02:03:48.000 Are they going to be able to pass laws? 1.00

02:03:50.000 Trump says crazy shit. 1.00

02:03:51.000 You know, I mean, he says so much shit about what he would do if he was president and Hillary would be in jail. 1.00

02:03:57.000 You can't... 0.99

02:03:59.000 Like, you're not the law.

02:04:01.000 Like, you can't just lock her up, man.

02:04:03.000 Like, there's a reason why we have this whole system in place.

02:04:06.000 Like, you can't just circumvent that now that you're the king.

02:04:09.000 Like, it doesn't give you ultimate power, but his perception of it, or the way he talks about it, is that if he got in, he would have that ultimate power.

02:04:18.000 And that's disturbing.

02:04:19.000 It is disturbing, but it's more disturbing to me because you see guys like Rudy Giuliani, and he's supporting this bill to get people that are on the terrorist watch list to have to wear ankle bracelets.

02:04:29.000 Right?

02:04:30.000 So, you didn't commit a crime, you're just on a watch list, but you are being treated like a prisoner.

02:04:36.000 Rudy Giuliani was trying, I don't know if he's still, if that bill is still trying to push forward, but Rudy Giuliani was trying to push this thing forward a couple of months ago. 0.98

02:04:45.000 What exactly is the fucking terrorist watch list? 0.99

02:04:48.000 And like, how crazy is that they have a list And you're on the list, but you're not totally a criminal, but we think you might be a fucking criminal. 1.00

02:04:58.000 So we're going to write you down. 0.99

02:05:00.000 You're on the naughty list.

02:05:02.000 And Santa's not happy with you. 1.00

02:05:05.000 I feel like you get kicked off a plane and you're going to get on the fucking terrorist watch list. 1.00

02:05:09.000 You could. 0.99

02:05:10.000 If you go and you look at the terrorist watch list and you read the names that are on there, by the time you get to the end, your name should be on there.

02:05:18.000 That's, that's, that's, that's, I mean, that's how they work the terrorist watch.

02:05:22.000 Anybody can be on there.

02:05:24.000 Well, there's been people that were.

02:05:24.000 Mohammed Lawal was on there.

02:05:25.000 Yeah.

02:05:26.000 Yeah.

02:05:27.000 Because his name is Mohammed Lawal.

02:05:28.000 Yeah.

02:05:29.000 King Mo.

02:05:31.000 Yeah.

02:05:32.000 Well, there was a woman, I believe, who was a Green Party candidate who was on the terrorist watch list.

02:05:38.000 Or at least she was on the no-fly list.

02:05:40.000 Yeah.

02:05:41.000 Yeah, the no-fly list is funky.

02:05:43.000 Like, they could just put you on the no-fly list.

02:05:46.000 Like, hey, wait a minute.

02:05:48.000 I can't fly, but I can take buses?

02:05:52.000 What?

02:05:53.000 Can I get on a train?

02:05:54.000 What about a boat?

02:05:56.000 Can I get on a boat?

02:05:57.000 Can I fly myself?

02:05:58.000 Can I go out in public?

02:05:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:05:59.000 What the fuck is that? 0.99

02:06:00.000 A no-fly list? 1.00

02:06:02.000 Hold on, man. 0.92

02:06:03.000 Like, if you're not gonna arrest someone for something, like, how the fuck can you keep them from going places? 0.83

02:06:08.000 You can keep them from flying?

02:06:12.000 That seems so weird.

02:06:13.000 Is it you can't fly because you're afraid you're not going to come back?

02:06:16.000 No!

02:06:17.000 Or is it because you're going to blow up a plane when you're on it?

02:06:20.000 Well, planes are connected to terror, right?

02:06:23.000 Especially now because of 9-11.

02:06:26.000 Yup.

02:06:27.000 You can't break them away from terror.

02:06:29.000 It's planes and terror that go hand in hand.

02:06:31.000 One of the ways to stop.

02:06:33.000 Livestream has ended.

02:06:34.000 Thank you for watching.

02:06:36.000 What?

02:06:36.000 How's that possible?

02:06:39.000 The main event's supposed to start at 6, so that's in 15 minutes.

02:06:44.000 Oh.

02:06:44.000 Is that on this, or is that on ESPN3? Oh, so did we sit through the, was that the prelims?

02:06:49.000 Yeah, it was like the Super Fight Series, is what they called it.

02:06:51.000 Oh, so there's another thing?

02:06:52.000 There's still four more fights, I think.

02:06:54.000 Oh my goodness.

02:06:55.000 I know, I was like, I... It's being broadcast on ESPN3, which is like their internet thing.

02:07:00.000 So can we watch this?

02:07:01.000 On here, too, it should be.

02:07:02.000 I'm pretty sure, but maybe not.

02:07:04.000 Oh no, it better be on here.

02:07:06.000 We've still got 10 minutes, but...

02:07:09.000 But I don't think we have ESPN3, dude.

02:07:11.000 Do we?

02:07:11.000 We can get it.

02:07:13.000 It's their web thing, so if you have ESPN, you can just get it online.

02:07:17.000 Oh.

02:07:20.000 Varga's Corner stopped at between rounds.

02:07:22.000 Yeah.

02:07:24.000 Thanks for bringing that up.

02:07:26.000 Okay, it says Varga versus Van Roosmalen, but it doesn't say...

02:07:31.000 It doesn't say anything else.

02:07:35.000 Oh.

02:07:37.000 The main event is on ESPN3. Okay.

02:07:39.000 How do we do that?

02:07:40.000 Can you do that?

02:07:43.000 Can you do that for us?

02:07:45.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:07:46.000 Beautiful.

02:07:48.000 Oh, that's interesting, man.

02:07:49.000 So, essentially, it's just like the UFC. The UFC has those FS1 and they have the Fight Pass ones and they have the FS1 fights.

02:08:00.000 It's just like that.

02:08:02.000 So, it's just the prelims.

02:08:08.000 Powerful young James, he's going to sort it out.

02:08:12.000 Eve Edwards, you're a really good analyst.

02:08:15.000 I just want to tell you, I really enjoy your analysis.

02:08:18.000 You're great on the mic.

02:08:19.000 You're really humble for a guy who's fought as much as you fought, too.

02:08:24.000 You don't bring yourself into it too much.

02:08:26.000 And if you do, it's really succinct and important.

02:08:29.000 You do an awesome job.

02:08:31.000 Thank you, man.

02:08:32.000 I was going to try to not be humble when you said that and say something smartass, but I couldn't.

02:08:38.000 I was kind of blown away for you by you saying that, so thanks.

02:08:41.000 You're really good, man.

02:08:42.000 You have a really good insight, too.

02:08:44.000 Obviously, you were a very intelligent fighter when you were competing.

02:08:47.000 You were very creative.

02:08:48.000 You know, you had a very good, high fight IQ. You're very aware of what's going on at any point in time.

02:08:55.000 I think that intelligent style of your fighting makes for a really good analyst.

02:09:01.000 Because you're not...

02:09:04.000 You know, you weren't a guy who tried to overwhelm anybody with power or aggression.

02:09:09.000 You were laying traps and setting people up and using really clean technique.

02:09:14.000 And I find, you know, like I said, Vandele probably one of my all-time favorite guys to watch because you see it was pure chaos.

02:09:20.000 But I find that people like yourself...

02:09:23.000 Oftentimes make really good analysts because like you're a guy who was like looking at Fighting and whether it's MMA stand up on the ground, whatever it was you're looking at it at this very analytical level It's for me.

02:09:40.000 It's like asking questions That's um, one of my boxing coaches Kenny Weldon used to say that when I fought Aaron the second time He watched the fight after the fact and he was like I was like, so what do you think, Kenny?

02:09:51.000 He goes, that kid has a lot of questions.

02:09:53.000 I was like, what do you mean he has a lot of questions?

02:09:55.000 He's like, every time you do something, you're asking him a question.

02:09:59.000 And then, I'm sorry, every time he does something, he's asking you a question.

02:10:02.000 And you're answering him with, I'm going to do this.

02:10:05.000 And what are you going to do about what I'm doing?

02:10:07.000 And he's just asking me, why are you doing that?

02:10:09.000 Why are you doing that?

02:10:10.000 So he's like, he's saying he's asking all the questions, but he has no answers.

02:10:14.000 So he's asking me questions, I'm giving him answers.

02:10:17.000 And, um...

02:10:18.000 I think that's kind of how I watch fights or how I fought.

02:10:22.000 I would try to do something and see what you're doing because of that.

02:10:25.000 Yeah.

02:10:25.000 You know, you kind of play with that and feel it.

02:10:27.000 And that's how I watch other people fight.

02:10:29.000 When I watch guys fight, I'm like, what is he doing?

02:10:31.000 Why is he doing that?

02:10:32.000 Is he trying to set something up?

02:10:33.000 Is this guy going to react?

02:10:35.000 How's that guy going to react to that?

02:10:36.000 What's he going to do about him?

02:10:38.000 What's he going to do about his strengths?

02:10:40.000 He knows he's coming in with these strengths.

02:10:41.000 So how is he going to try to take those things away?

02:10:43.000 Or is he just going to try to impose his own strengths?

02:10:46.000 All right.

02:10:47.000 For me, that's what fighting is.

02:10:49.000 It's making yourself as comfortable as you can be at all times while making the other guy as uncomfortable as he can be.

02:10:57.000 For me, that's what I try to look at and I try to see if guys play like that.

02:11:02.000 How are they going to play that game?

02:11:05.000 Yeah, that completely makes sense that you had that kind of style with that approach.

02:11:12.000 You know, I just always admired the way you would set things up.

02:11:17.000 You always had a real technical style, which, like I said, I admire Chaos, too.

02:11:22.000 I admire those Melvin Manhoof dudes, too.

02:11:24.000 You know, I admire Vandele, like, maybe more than anybody, just because he was so wild to watch.

02:11:31.000 But I find that for analysis, like Dominic Cruz is another guy I think knocks it out of the park.

02:11:36.000 Because he's so smart in his assessment of risk and reward and putting yourself in a position where your opponent doesn't exactly know what you're going to do, but you know how he's going to react.

02:11:48.000 Because you have this awkward style that you've seen other people react to for a long time.

02:11:54.000 But for them, it's like this new thing.

02:11:56.000 They're standing in front of this guy who's switching stances and bouncing and moving up and down and back and forth. 0.92

02:12:02.000 You're not exactly sure what the fuck he's doing, but he knows what you're going to do. 0.98

02:12:07.000 Because he's so used to doing it to regular people. 0.99

02:12:09.000 Everybody who stands like certain guys, they have that Muay Thai style.

02:12:14.000 God, there's so much that they're giving a guy in that situation.

02:12:18.000 And when you've got a guy like Dominic Cruz, He's not predictable at all. 0.96

02:12:23.000 He's like flipping stances and moving around and throwing punches from these weird fucking angles where you would swear he's doing it wrong, right? 0.95

02:12:32.000 Yeah, it's for me. 0.96

02:12:34.000 I always look at the way someone explains something to me is as the easiest way to explain it and Ben Askren Tyron said Ben likes to cause scrambles, right?

02:12:44.000 That's what Dom does.

02:12:45.000 He's causing scrambles on the feet.

02:12:48.000 He's not in a traditional position.

02:12:50.000 He's not coming at you like everybody else does.

02:12:53.000 What he's doing is initiating a scramble right away.

02:12:57.000 When you get a guy on top of you like RDA and he's good at establishing position...

02:13:02.000 If you can create a scramble, then you have a better chance of getting out than if you just try to use basic technique.

02:13:09.000 And Dominic is comfortable in those scrambles.

02:13:11.000 He's been in them so many times.

02:13:13.000 When you react, you have like three or four reactions.

02:13:16.000 But he has like 22. Wow.

02:13:19.000 Damn. 1.00

02:13:20.000 You know who did a great breakdown? 1.00

02:13:22.000 Kirik from The Underground.

02:13:24.000 Kirik Genesis? 0.92

02:13:25.000 Yeah.

02:13:26.000 See if you can find that.

02:13:27.000 He put it up today.

02:13:30.000 He put up an article breaking down all the variables of Dominic Cruz's footwork.

02:13:37.000 Really interesting stuff.

02:13:39.000 Until you see it as a list, like all the different things he does.

02:13:43.000 Kierke did an awesome job of just sort of breaking down all the different things in his fights.

02:13:50.000 And it just makes you realize, like, wow, that guy's got a lot of options, man.

02:13:54.000 Like, someone was, I think it was Ludwig was saying that he doesn't think he has good technique.

02:13:57.000 I'm like, how can you say that, though?

02:13:59.000 Because he lands so many punches.

02:14:00.000 Like, how can you say it? 0.98

02:14:02.000 Like, it might not look like everybody else's, but goddamn it's working. 0.96

02:14:06.000 I mean, it works. 0.92

02:14:07.000 It's crazy how effective it is.

02:14:09.000 See, this is all the stuff that Kirk wrote down.

02:14:12.000 All the different stuff that Dominic does.

02:14:17.000 Pretty interesting, right?

02:14:18.000 Yep.

02:14:19.000 Neo footwork is what people are calling it, right?

02:14:23.000 It's like TJ Dillashaw style.

02:14:25.000 He's got a very interesting style too.

02:14:27.000 And I hit pads with Dwayne recently.

02:14:31.000 Dwayne showed me some stuff.

02:14:32.000 And one of the things he's doing is all these switch stances.

02:14:35.000 He's doing like these, you're switching and throwing punches as you're switching.

02:14:40.000 He's got a lot of this switch stance stuff that he's really incorporating into these combinations.

02:14:45.000 And you see it a lot from TJ. I mean, TJ is as comfortable from a southpaw as he is from an orthodox.

02:14:51.000 And he's doing a lot of these switch moves.

02:14:54.000 Like, they're hitting pads with these.

02:14:56.000 And they're very confusing.

02:14:58.000 You know?

02:14:59.000 So, remember when I said I don't like that style, that Genki Sudo style?

02:15:05.000 Because...

02:15:06.000 Not because, but Dominic's style, that style, I think, is the style to beat that.

02:15:11.000 The reason I say that is because the way Dominic is approaching it, he's approaching it from a...

02:15:20.000 Educated, I would say more educated, more studious place.

02:15:25.000 These guys are approaching it from trying to get you to buy the wolf ticket.

02:15:31.000 So they're giving you these weird looks because that's going to make you get off balance, stand there for them, be the guy that's just a target.

02:15:40.000 But Dom is giving you these looks from a fighting perspective.

02:15:44.000 He's always in position to fight.

02:15:46.000 Those guys, when you're breakdancing, sometimes you're not in position to react.

02:15:50.000 Dom is always in position to react.

02:15:52.000 And that's why I think that style is the style that beats the other style 10 out of 10 times.

02:15:58.000 What's really interesting is I don't recall anybody before Dominic Cruz doing it like that.

02:16:04.000 I really don't.

02:16:06.000 It's a lot of what...

02:16:07.000 I mean, it's limited, but Muhammad Ali did a lot of things like that with his boxing.

02:16:13.000 The rope-a-dope and his footwork. 0.90

02:16:15.000 That's a part of it.

02:16:17.000 That's a part of what Dom does.

02:16:18.000 But Dom does it for MMA, so he has to be aware of the kicks, tie-ups and clinches.

02:16:23.000 I mean, how many times do you see guys press Dom on the fence?

02:16:26.000 Yeah.

02:16:27.000 Almost never.

02:16:28.000 Never.

02:16:29.000 Very rarely.

02:16:30.000 You know, the real super fight is him and Mighty Mouse.

02:16:33.000 That's the real super fight.

02:16:35.000 Yeah, but, I mean, we saw it.

02:16:38.000 You did see it, but we saw it.

02:16:39.000 I think Mighty Mouse is far better.

02:16:42.000 Yeah.

02:16:43.000 I really do.

02:16:43.000 But he's so much smaller.

02:16:44.000 So much smaller.

02:16:46.000 That's a fact.

02:16:47.000 I mean, it's a fact.

02:16:48.000 I mean, he's got to be comfortable fighting 135 when he was always so much smaller than those 135-pound guys.

02:16:53.000 But from the, I think it was the Ian McCall fight on...

02:16:58.000 When Ian McCall took his back and battered him, he's talked about it like that was the big shifting point where he just realized that he's really got to be dedicated.

02:17:07.000 He can't fuck this up anymore. 0.95

02:17:10.000 He can't have a full-time job. 0.99

02:17:11.000 He can't be taking beatings like that.

02:17:13.000 And that it was more of the fact that he wasn't putting the time in versus him not having the ability.

02:17:21.000 He knew he could fight better than that.

02:17:23.000 And so then you see him from that fight on slowly emerge as, I mean, at this point, pretty much the consensus pound for pound best fighter in the world, especially now that John doesn't have a license.

02:17:35.000 John was the other guy that was in the mix for that.

02:17:38.000 But I think Mighty Mouse takes less damage, is destroying more guys in more of a crazy, technical, impressive fashion.

02:17:48.000 Like when he stopped Cejudo, I mean, that was a work of art, man.

02:17:53.000 The clinch work and those knees to the body, that was as good as I've ever seen anybody beat anybody, you know?

02:17:59.000 I mean, that was just stunning.

02:18:01.000 Yeah, that's the highest level of mixed martial arts right now.

02:18:04.000 His defense, too.

02:18:05.000 Like, when he went to the ground, when Cejudo took him to the ground, he's got butterflies in, he's moving, he gets back up to his feet. 0.99

02:18:11.000 I mean, some high-level shit, man. 0.98

02:18:14.000 And he had hurt Cejudo to the body, which is why Cejudo took him down. 1.00

02:18:18.000 Super, super high level.

02:18:20.000 So the reason I think a guy like that gets that good, especially so quick, is because he doesn't have a favorite part.

02:18:29.000 He loves the whole thing.

02:18:31.000 You know those guys that they're good strikers and they love striking, so that's what they want to do all the time.

02:18:38.000 No, he works on everything because for his offense to be as good and his defense to be just as good...

02:18:44.000 A lot of guys just want to be offensive.

02:18:46.000 Guys just want to win in the gym.

02:18:48.000 Guys want to get on top and they want to stay there and they want to control.

02:18:51.000 So when those guys get put on their back, they don't really know what to do.

02:18:54.000 Or they have a much harder time escaping or transitioning out of that position.

02:18:58.000 But not a guy like that.

02:19:00.000 Those are the best guys in the world.

02:19:02.000 You look at DJ, you look at Dom.

02:19:04.000 I mean, even Conor, right?

02:19:07.000 The Nate fight is a bad example because that was the first time he was in a fight in the UFC and he didn't like it.

02:19:14.000 The second time he did better, but the same thing with Chad.

02:19:16.000 The little bit of a fight he was in with Mendez, when he was on his back, he did some work, got back to his feet.

02:19:22.000 He wasn't so uncomfortable with a dominant wrestler like that on top that he wasn't going to be able to get back up.

02:19:31.000 Yeah.

02:19:32.000 Well, Conor is definitely evolving.

02:19:35.000 You could definitely tell that he's, especially his approach to the second Nate Diaz fight, he fought that fight very smart.

02:19:43.000 And he survived some moments where it looks like he was gassing out, or at least he got that opportunity to reset.

02:19:49.000 If he wasn't gassing out, he's definitely diminished.

02:19:51.000 But he managed it.

02:19:53.000 He managed it much better than the first time because when he got in trouble the first time, he did try to change the game.

02:20:00.000 But when it wasn't in his favor, it was like, I kind of want out of here.

02:20:05.000 As a fighter, I look at that and I'm like, his spirit kind of broke there.

02:20:10.000 But he asked for that fight again, then he did it again, and he did run into some trouble, and he improved.

02:20:16.000 He fought through it the second time.

02:20:18.000 He wasn't like, oh, this is a real fight now.

02:20:21.000 I gotta get out of here.

02:20:22.000 No, he was like, I'm staying right here.

02:20:24.000 So, I'm excited to see that Conor fight Eddie, because, I mean, yeah, Nate is the same kind of guy.

02:20:32.000 He's not gonna worry about those kind of things, but like...

02:20:36.000 Eddie is a different beast.

02:20:37.000 Eddie is that Philly beast. 1.00

02:20:39.000 He's a savage. 0.99

02:20:40.000 So I want to see them get into a fight.

02:20:43.000 That could easily happen too.

02:20:45.000 That could easily happen. 1.00

02:20:46.000 Eddie Alvarez is a fucking savage. 1.00

02:20:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:20:49.000 He really is.

02:20:50.000 You watch that Rafael Dos Anjos stoppage? 0.99

02:20:52.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:20:53.000 The combination he hit him with? 1.00

02:20:55.000 I mean, and the sheer amount of punches he threw?

02:21:00.000 The barrage that it took to put him away? 0.96

02:21:03.000 I mean, he had some fucking serious endurance to press the pace like that. 0.57

02:21:09.000 That's the one thing that Conor's been struggling with, right? 0.93

02:21:12.000 Yeah.

02:21:13.000 Yeah, with that pace and...

02:21:14.000 Endurance.

02:21:16.000 Eddie has the power to put that pace on him when Nate gets him tired or gets him hurt on his feet.

02:21:23.000 He's got that power.

02:21:24.000 He's not as dynamic.

02:21:25.000 He's a very strong guy, too.

02:21:28.000 Like, he's a very strong guy for 155. I'm looking forward to that, too.

02:21:33.000 Yeah, I'm curious, actually, to see what Conor looks like at 55, because, right, we haven't seen him there in the UFC. We've seen 45, and then we've seen him cut no weight and weigh, like, 169. I think he weighed against Nate.

02:21:46.000 It would be interesting to see what does Conor look like when he's at 155. I mean that might be the perfect weight for him.

02:21:52.000 It's entirely possible we might see a better McGregor at 155. I think that's the deepest division.

02:21:59.000 I think it has been for the longest time and that if anybody dominates that division like RDA did it for a little he looked dominant for a little bit um even coming up to the title fight he looked like he was going to hold on to that for a while um But everybody there is so close.

02:22:17.000 Everybody at that weight class is so close.

02:22:19.000 So if somebody does it...

02:22:21.000 But what about Nurmagomedov?

02:22:23.000 Because Habib ragdolled everybody he's gotten in there with. 0.99

02:22:26.000 That's the one guy you can't say he's close with. 0.97

02:22:28.000 Because everybody he's got a hold of, he's beaten the fuck out of.

02:22:31.000 That guy's special.

02:22:33.000 Nurmagomedov is special.

02:22:35.000 That's true.

02:22:35.000 I like that guy because...

02:22:39.000 What you said, he's special, right?

02:22:41.000 And when you see that special thing, then I guess people kind of get lost in the void.

02:22:46.000 When everybody's close to being just as good as each other, then you kind of just fight to get just a little bit better than the other guy.

02:22:52.000 Just a little bit better than the other guy.

02:22:53.000 I just got to be better than him.

02:22:55.000 But then when you get the Jon Jones that comes into the arena, and he's leaps and bounds ahead of everybody else, then you realize there's a bigger gap, and guys start closing that.

02:23:12.000 I don't know if Jon Jones didn't exist, if he would rise to that occasion.

02:23:21.000 So somebody's got to show up in the lightweight division at some point like that to make people raise their level.

02:23:29.000 Because guys right now, which is the deepest and toughest division, but guys are so close.

02:23:34.000 And maybe Nurmagomedov is that guy.

02:23:36.000 Hmm.

02:23:37.000 Well, he certainly has been when it comes to grappling.

02:23:41.000 What he did to Dos Anjos was pretty stunning.

02:23:44.000 You know, because I was like, man, Dos Anjos is a legit Brazilian jiu-jitsu, black belt, super strong guy, really good on the ground. 0.77

02:23:52.000 And it just seemed like Nurmagomedov just got a hold of him and just did whatever the fuck he wanted to once he got him on the ground.

02:23:57.000 Just throws dudes around.

02:23:58.000 It's almost like he's built different.

02:24:00.000 But he doesn't...

02:24:01.000 If Gleason Tebow was doing that to dudes, I'd go, that makes sense. 1.00

02:24:06.000 Look at that fucking guy. 0.99

02:24:07.000 But when Nurmagomedov does it... 1.00

02:24:09.000 It's not necessarily just some overwhelming physical attribute.

02:24:13.000 It's his technique and his aggression. 0.96

02:24:16.000 Just super fucking aggressive and tight with his grappling and his positioning, his ground and pound, his horrific. 0.99

02:24:23.000 He's a scary dude, man. 0.98

02:24:26.000 Yeah, he doesn't even have to think about the way he does those moves.

02:24:30.000 I remember when you said that and when you say ragdolling people and RDA, RDA took that shot on him, I think he was in the third, and he hit him with an Uchimara, basically, from the overhook whizzer and tripped him, forcing it. 0.98

02:24:43.000 And that's not an easy throw to hit, and especially from that range.

02:24:46.000 It didn't look like it was going to happen, but he does it to the guy who goes on to become the world champion in that weight and then dominates other guys at that weight class.

02:24:54.000 Yeah, that guy is special, man.

02:24:56.000 I want to see him improve his stand-up and just get better.

02:25:00.000 I want to see him do things like DJ is, just working on his weaknesses.

02:25:06.000 Because, I mean, that guy would never lose.

02:25:12.000 Imagine if he had DJ's MMA IQ and skill set, but with what his wrestling and ground is now.

02:25:20.000 Like, who's beating that guy?

02:25:22.000 I would send that guy to fight wars for me.

02:25:28.000 Yeah, man.

02:25:29.000 Look, he ragdolls dudes in a very unusual way. 1.00

02:25:32.000 Every now and then a guy will come up like that, that can do that.

02:25:35.000 And he does it with this intensity and aggression.

02:25:39.000 Damien Maia ragdolls a lot of people too, especially lately.

02:25:43.000 He gets a hold of guys like he did with Rick's story, but he's doing it in like this technical, squeezy way.

02:25:49.000 You know, when Nurmagomedov gets a hold of dudes, it's a smash!

02:25:53.000 Everything is smash!

02:25:55.000 He's driving you into the ground and smashing you into the ground and smashing when you're on top of you.

02:26:00.000 Damian Maia is just constricting.

02:26:02.000 He's like moving into position and he's slowly closing you off and he's gonna choke you.

02:26:07.000 It's a totally different kind of domination.

02:26:10.000 But then, I don't know if it's entirely the fairest comparison, because Damien has obviously fought a much longer career, and he fought at 185, and he fought against Anderson.

02:26:20.000 He got knocked out by Nate.

02:26:22.000 He's had a lot of ups and downs in the UFC. Jake Shields beat him.

02:26:26.000 People forget that.

02:26:27.000 Jake Shields essentially out-grappled him.

02:26:31.000 But Nurmagomedov, good luck.

02:26:33.000 Good luck out-grappling that dude.

02:26:34.000 Good luck.

02:26:37.000 But what's his takedown percentage like, too?

02:26:39.000 It's probably a million percent.

02:26:41.000 I mean, he takes down everybody.

02:26:44.000 But the other thing about Nurmagomedov is that he gets injured a lot.

02:26:48.000 Yeah. 0.88

02:26:49.000 And you gotta wonder, is it because of that insane fucking aggressive style of his that makes it so fun to watch him, is that like you're kind of redlining your body too much? 0.98

02:27:02.000 Probably. 0.98

02:27:03.000 Yeah, right?

02:27:04.000 Yeah.

02:27:05.000 Yeah, I mean, you gotta rest, right?

02:27:07.000 You gotta heal up.

02:27:08.000 You can't always be on.

02:27:10.000 Yeah, but, I mean, can a guy like Damian Maia, who trains very technically, I mean, obviously he wrestles and he does a lot of chaotic movements as well, but probably not nearly with the kind of intensity that Nurmagomedov does.

02:27:25.000 You gotta wonder, like, that style is obviously super effective and very fucking devastating and fun to watch, but I wonder if preparing for that style and executing that style is almost like ultimately too much on your joints, too much on your body.

02:27:41.000 I guess the question would be then is can he be Nurmagomedov without that style?

02:27:49.000 Does he have the skill to translate that to slowing it down and turning the volume down?

02:27:55.000 Is that what you always wonder about when a fighter gets injured?

02:27:59.000 When someone blows a knee out or something like that?

02:28:01.000 That and the situation they're training in.

02:28:04.000 You know, you go into a boxing gym.

02:28:06.000 To this day, you go into a boxing gym, and it's sparring day.

02:28:10.000 You go up to wildcard, sparring day, and there's only two guys in the ring.

02:28:13.000 There's only the two guys that are punching each other in the ring.

02:28:15.000 You go to an MMA gym, and on the mat, you and I are working, but then Joe and someone else are working over here, and that guy tries to take Joe down, and he runs into my heel.

02:28:26.000 That does happen all the time.

02:28:27.000 It's the worst.

02:28:28.000 I think that happened to Rashad Evans.

02:28:30.000 I think that's how he didn't fight against Shogun for the title.

02:28:34.000 I believe that's what happened.

02:28:36.000 Wasn't that what happened to Dominic?

02:28:38.000 Did it happen to him as well?

02:28:39.000 I wouldn't doubt it.

02:28:40.000 God, it's so common.

02:28:42.000 It's crazy because that would be way more safe in boxing and they don't do it in boxing.

02:28:47.000 In boxing, it'd be way more safe.

02:28:48.000 It'd be much less likely that you're gonna collide into people.

02:28:51.000 The takedowns, the kicks flying. 0.96

02:28:53.000 The takedowns especially, because you know, as well as I do, if two guys are going at it, one guy's defending, and the other guys are really insistent, they could go all the way across the fucking gym. 0.87

02:29:01.000 Everybody's seen it and everybody's like, whoa, [...

02:29:05.000 Well, now you have all these takedown wet marks all over the mat and you have just these puddles.

02:29:10.000 Exactly. 0.92

02:29:11.000 That fucks kickboxing up hardcore. 0.97

02:29:14.000 Yeah. 0.62

02:29:15.000 Remember when they used to have fights where the mat would have some sort of a logo on it?

02:29:23.000 Yeah.

02:29:23.000 They figured out how to do that, right?

02:29:25.000 Those things would be wet as fuck from the sweat, and they would become like ice skating. 0.95

02:29:30.000 And you'd just throw a kick and go flying through the air. 0.96

02:29:34.000 I fought at that album, King of the Cage Wet and Wild.

02:29:36.000 You did!

02:29:37.000 That's right!

02:29:38.000 You did! 1.00

02:29:39.000 Holy shit! 0.99

02:29:40.000 Tell people about that, because that, I think, to this day, is one of the all-time legendary fight cards. 0.98

02:29:47.000 Do you know about King of the Cage Wet and Wild?

02:29:49.000 Uh-uh.

02:29:51.000 Even.

02:29:51.000 Schoolist, man.

02:29:52.000 So it was a King of the Cage event, and we're supposed to fight outside at Ceboba Casino, maybe?

02:29:58.000 Is it Ceboba?

02:29:59.000 Is that where King of the Cage is at?

02:30:00.000 Boy, I don't remember, but it was a Native American casino.

02:30:02.000 I remember that.

02:30:03.000 And we're fighting outside.

02:30:05.000 All the King of the Cage events were outside, but it starts raining, and everybody's ready to fight.

02:30:11.000 They're still ready to put on the show.

02:30:14.000 King of the Cage, you could wear shoes and kick.

02:30:16.000 So basically...

02:30:18.000 We went out there and fought in the rain on a vinyl mat.

02:30:23.000 It was crazy.

02:30:24.000 You fought Jeremy Williams?

02:30:25.000 I think I might have seen this.

02:30:27.000 Was that the same Jeremy Williams that went on to fight Nate Diaz?

02:30:31.000 Or Nick Diaz?

02:30:32.000 Is that the same guy?

02:30:33.000 I think so.

02:30:34.000 The guy was on The Ultimate Fighter?

02:30:35.000 Is that who I'm thinking of?

02:30:36.000 No.

02:30:36.000 I'm thinking of the wrong guy.

02:30:37.000 Yeah, I'm thinking of the wrong guy.

02:30:38.000 The Jeremy Williams is the guy that committed suicide. 1.00

02:30:42.000 Oh, damn. 1.00

02:30:43.000 That's right. 1.00

02:30:44.000 I knew that guy.

02:30:47.000 There's another Jeremy Williams who was the light heavyweight guy, right?

02:30:50.000 Yeah.

02:30:52.000 Oh, that's right.

02:30:53.000 He was a good dude, man.

02:30:55.000 That was a bummer for a lot of people when that happened.

02:30:57.000 I didn't really know him.

02:30:59.000 We kind of stayed in touch, of course, when you see each other at other events and whatnot.

02:31:02.000 I had no beef with him, so we would keep talking.

02:31:06.000 He always seemed like a nice guy, man.

02:31:08.000 He was friends with Chris Brennan.

02:31:10.000 Yeah, that's who was his coach.

02:31:11.000 Chris Brennan, yeah.

02:31:12.000 Chris Brennan, who's...

02:31:13.000 Always been a really good dude.

02:31:15.000 That was a good friend of his and I remember that was a big bummer when that guy killed himself. 1.00

02:31:22.000 Fucking depression, man. 0.99

02:31:25.000 Duncan Trussell explained depression really good yesterday. 1.00

02:31:28.000 He was saying, you know, imagine what it's like if you just did a lot of ecstasy. 0.99

02:31:34.000 And you know that feeling if you've ever done ecstasy the next day where your head is like, fuck this. 0.99

02:31:39.000 What did I do? 1.00

02:31:40.000 Oh my god, my brain's dry. 1.00

02:31:42.000 I feel like shit. 0.97

02:31:43.000 But you can get through it because you know it's not going to last. 0.99

02:31:45.000 But he said, like, imagine going through that for ten years.

02:31:50.000 You know, imagine that feeling.

02:31:51.000 That's your reality every day for 10 years.

02:31:55.000 It sounds miserable.

02:31:56.000 I don't know what X is like, but...

02:31:58.000 It's not good.

02:31:59.000 Well, it's good when you're on it.

02:32:01.000 When you're off, it's not good.

02:32:03.000 I only did it once, and I loved it.

02:32:05.000 But I was like, that is not worth...

02:32:08.000 The juice is not worth the squeeze.

02:32:10.000 To me, at least.

02:32:13.000 But also, I wasn't taking 5-HTP. Apparently, if you take 5-HTP right afterwards, it helps your brain rebuild.

02:32:21.000 After you take X, after you wake up.

02:32:23.000 After you take it?

02:32:24.000 I think you're supposed to take it like...

02:32:26.000 Like in the middle of it so that like when you come out of it your your body's already starting to Crank up its production if that might be completely unscientific though, but I do know that 5-HTP is supposed to help you so I gotta get some X and a 5-HTP I mean,

02:32:44.000 and that's obviously not the best description of depression either.

02:32:47.000 Sometimes people's depression is social, sometimes it's from life events, you know, who knows? 0.99

02:32:55.000 Who knows what's causing someone to feel like shit. 0.98

02:32:59.000 That guy was a good dude. 0.99

02:33:01.000 Yeah, he seemed like a nice guy.

02:33:03.000 I'm thinking of a different guy.

02:33:05.000 I'm thinking of the guy who fought Nick Diaz.

02:33:08.000 He was the first guy to stop Nick Diaz.

02:33:11.000 His name was Jeremy, but I don't think it was Williams.

02:33:14.000 I think it was Jeremy Williams.

02:33:17.000 Nicks talked about him.

02:33:19.000 Is that his name?

02:33:19.000 I couldn't picture him.

02:33:21.000 But yeah, I believe it's Jeremy Williams.

02:33:22.000 The season of The Ultimate Fighter that Nick Diaz was on.

02:33:26.000 I think I asked him.

02:33:28.000 Jeremy Jackson.

02:33:30.000 Jeremy Jackson.

02:33:31.000 Jeremy Jackson, that's right.

02:33:32.000 Was it Nate Diaz?

02:33:34.000 Nate Diaz's year?

02:33:35.000 It wasn't Nick.

02:33:36.000 No, Nick fought him.

02:33:37.000 But Nick wasn't on the Ultimate Fighter.

02:33:39.000 Nate was on the Ultimate Fighter.

02:33:40.000 Nate was on the Ultimate Fighter.

02:33:42.000 Yeah.

02:33:43.000 Was he on with Nate?

02:33:44.000 No, it was in the UFC. It was just in the UFC. Jeremy was on the Ultimate Fighter.

02:33:48.000 Nick fought him in the UFC, but Nick had fought him before.

02:33:50.000 Right.

02:33:51.000 This is it.

02:33:52.000 This is the fight.

02:33:53.000 Nick Diaz versus Jeremy Jackson at IFC Warriors Challenge 18. Wow, what year was that?

02:34:01.000 Play that shit. 1.00

02:34:03.000 That was his claim to fame on the show, that him and Nick Diaz had that beef. 1.00

02:34:09.000 Jeremy Jackson.

02:34:10.000 That's who it is. 0.65

02:34:11.000 Jeremy Jackson had nasty hands, man.

02:34:13.000 He was a really good boxer.

02:34:15.000 Yeah, I asked Nick one time who was the hardest to ever hit him.

02:34:21.000 He didn't say who hit him the hardest, he just said that Jeremy Jackson... 1.00

02:34:25.000 Hit hard as fuck. 0.99

02:34:27.000 See, if you watch his striking here, he was good, man. 1.00

02:34:30.000 Yeah, he was a clean boxer.

02:34:31.000 And they were both super young.

02:34:33.000 I think Nick was 18. If I remember right.

02:34:39.000 He was close to it, at least.

02:34:41.000 I think they were both pretty young here, man.

02:34:45.000 And then Nick went on to...

02:34:46.000 I think Nick beat him by submission and beat him by decision.

02:34:50.000 Did he fight him three times?

02:34:51.000 I think they had a trilogy.

02:34:53.000 I think Nick won them all, though.

02:34:55.000 No, I think Jeremy stopped him.

02:34:58.000 I think he stopped him in this fight.

02:35:00.000 I think this was the first fight that Nick ever lost.

02:35:03.000 I think this is actually the only time that Nick had ever been stopped.

02:35:09.000 Man, I had heard some crazy rumor that I'd hoped was true, that they were going to try to set up Nick versus Connor.

02:35:17.000 I'm like, my God, that would break the world.

02:35:20.000 Do you know how insane the hype would be for a Nick Diaz vs.

02:35:25.000 Conor McGregor fight?

02:35:26.000 I mean, can we even...

02:35:27.000 Can you even imagine how crazy that would be?

02:35:31.000 That would be like the sequel to Mason Conor.

02:35:35.000 A much better, bigger Avengers movie.

02:35:38.000 Could you imagine if they do that?

02:35:41.000 I mean, look, the thing is, though, Nick is never making 155 again.

02:35:44.000 He's just not.

02:35:45.000 He's way too big.

02:35:46.000 He could do it.

02:35:47.000 Do you think he could do it?

02:35:48.000 He could absolutely do it.

02:35:49.000 He's not that big.

02:35:50.000 Oh, man, he looks...

02:35:52.000 I mean, he doesn't look small.

02:35:54.000 I mean, he's going to have to lose a significant amount of body weight.

02:35:57.000 Nah, he's only made 160. I don't think he's ever made 55. He's 160. I think he fought 55 at the UFC. I think he fought 55 against Diego Sanchez.

02:36:06.000 Nate?

02:36:07.000 I think he could.

02:36:08.000 He'd say he could, but I don't think he would.

02:36:09.000 I don't think Nick has ever fought at 55. Really?

02:36:12.000 Yeah, Nick fought at 55. Really?

02:36:14.000 Yeah.

02:36:15.000 Nick fought at 55. I believe he fought Gomi at 55. Or did he fight him at 60?

02:36:19.000 He fought Gomi at 60. 60. That was pride. 1.00

02:36:21.000 What a fight that was.

02:36:22.000 Oh my goodness.

02:36:24.000 That was crazy.

02:36:25.000 That was when Gomi was Gomi too. 0.87

02:36:27.000 Gomi was just knocking dudes dead.

02:36:30.000 And Nick took some bombs. 0.99

02:36:32.000 He had that big ass cut on his cheek and he locked up that go-go plata. 1.00

02:36:35.000 He fought a lot when we were training for the Anderson fight. 0.97

02:36:39.000 I was looking over his record. 0.99

02:36:40.000 He's fought a lot of hitters in their fucking prime when they were just knocking the fuck out of people. 0.98

02:36:45.000 They were like, okay, let's match him up. 0.99

02:36:46.000 That was Nick's opponent.

02:36:48.000 Do you remember when Nick knocked out Robbie Lawler?

02:36:51.000 So, we were in the same locker room that night, Nick and I, and he was hitting pads with his coach, and he was being Nick.

02:37:03.000 He was back to hitting pads.

02:37:05.000 This was early when he was boxing, so his boxing has gotten much better over time, but he was hitting pads. 0.99

02:37:10.000 It didn't look awesome, and he was just, I'm going to knock this motherfucker out. 0.99

02:37:14.000 Yeah, that's right. 1.00

02:37:16.000 Just pumping himself up in the back talking about how he's going to knock Robbie out and do all this shit. 0.98

02:37:20.000 And I was just like, he ain't knocking out nothing with those punches. 0.98

02:37:24.000 And then he went out there and knocked him out with a jab.

02:37:27.000 Well, it was kind of like a little hook.

02:37:29.000 Like a short, long hook.

02:37:31.000 Yeah, with the lead.

02:37:33.000 So, yeah, a short, long hook with the lead.

02:37:35.000 Yeah, it was like a straight arm, but it was like a little pop to it.

02:37:39.000 I was...

02:37:41.000 I was taken aback. 1.00

02:37:42.000 Dude, he was talking so much shit before that fight. 0.99

02:37:45.000 To this day, I've said that was one of the most interesting things that I've seen as a commentator is, like, there's reactions that people have to certain things, and sometimes it's psychological shit. 1.00

02:37:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:37:56.000 Like, sometimes there's these crazy moments where people, like, Ronda Rousey got in Holly Holm's face and was like, whoa, whoa, what the fuck is going on?

02:38:03.000 Like, there's moments where you see in fights where you can, I mean, don't you feel like that?

02:38:08.000 Yeah. 0.96

02:38:09.000 Yeah, there are times when shit like that happens where you just see that someone, you see it. 0.99

02:38:15.000 You see who they really are for a split second. 1.00

02:38:17.000 Yeah, but you see these weird moments when you see someone affected by shit talking and Nick got into the cage with Robbie Lawler and he starts going, Stockton, motherfucker! 1.00

02:38:28.000 Stockton, motherfucker! 1.00

02:38:30.000 And Robbie Lara's like, what is going on here? 1.00

02:38:33.000 Because Robbie's like a pretty mellow dude.

02:38:35.000 Like, Robbie's super violent, and a lot of people think he's the boogeyman.

02:38:38.000 Like, people are scared of Robbie, because he's so violent.

02:38:41.000 I mean, he's an incredibly aggressive fighter. 1.00

02:38:44.000 Bad motherfucker, right? 0.99

02:38:46.000 But you could see Robbie was like, what is going on here? 1.00

02:38:49.000 Like, this dude is yelling, Stockton, motherfucker! 1.00

02:38:51.000 And 209, bitch! 1.00

02:38:53.000 I never knew that. 1.00

02:38:54.000 And then he's standing in front of him. 1.00

02:38:55.000 He's going, what bitch? 1.00

02:38:56.000 What bitch? 1.00

02:38:56.000 What you gonna do, bitch? 1.00

02:38:57.000 What you gonna do, bitch? 1.00

02:38:58.000 And he's like talking all this crazy shit to him while he's hitting him. 1.00

02:39:00.000 And you could see like the effect it was happening. 0.99

02:39:04.000 Like you could see Nick.

02:39:05.000 They were both...

02:39:06.000 Okay, look at the age there.

02:39:07.000 Nick was only 20. Man, people forget how fucking young he was when he was fighting at a really high... 0.97

02:39:15.000 Look how beautiful Bruce Buffer is. 0.98

02:39:17.000 Like he went into a time machine. 1.00

02:39:20.000 And Nick came out, and from the moment the fight started, he was just talking mad shit. 1.00

02:39:28.000 He's pretty yoked, man. 1.00

02:39:31.000 He had that one giant advantage. 0.93

02:39:34.000 Not just being tough and being crazy.

02:39:36.000 Those were good.

02:39:37.000 He had a real good ground game that people would sleep on.

02:39:40.000 That was big, too. 1.00

02:39:41.000 But his fucking pace, man. 1.00

02:39:44.000 His endurance. 1.00

02:39:46.000 His endurance is insane.

02:39:48.000 And his pace is constant.

02:39:49.000 It never breaks.

02:39:51.000 Yeah.

02:39:51.000 There's no rest.

02:39:53.000 And it's incredible how quickly it would sap guys.

02:39:56.000 Well, you could see it just drain them.

02:39:58.000 It's like, I think like where I was at 20, like what I was into at 20, and like at 20, he's like that, he's that kid that was on like the cross-country team.

02:40:07.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:40:07.000 And the fucking swim team in the summertime. 0.98

02:40:10.000 And him and his brother go mountain biking all day long as kids, you know? 0.99

02:40:15.000 Yeah.

02:40:15.000 And he's funny at that high level.

02:40:18.000 Impressive.

02:40:19.000 Yeah.

02:40:20.000 Yeah, man.

02:40:22.000 His extreme endurance and his participation in triathlete events.

02:40:28.000 He's done Ironmans, I think.

02:40:30.000 I think he corrected me.

02:40:32.000 I said on a podcast once that he had swam back and forth from Alcatraz twice.

02:40:38.000 He said five times.

02:40:40.000 He's done it five times.

02:40:44.000 Dude.

02:40:45.000 I swear he was making fun of Nate.

02:40:46.000 I swear to God he was making fun of Nate like a week ago or two weeks ago.

02:40:50.000 We were talking about this and he's like, Nate's never done Alcatraz.

02:40:55.000 I've done it like four times, five times.

02:40:56.000 Look, he's talking to him. 1.00

02:40:57.000 He's like, what bitch? 1.00

02:40:58.000 What bitch? 1.00

02:40:59.000 He's like, Nate's never done it, so he's a pussy because he never swam from Alcatraz. 1.00

02:41:03.000 Dude. 0.99

02:41:04.000 That is shark-infested water.

02:41:06.000 That is legitimately 100% shark-infested water.

02:41:10.000 You're not just swimming.

02:41:12.000 You're swimming through the habitat of one of the great monsters of Earth.

02:41:16.000 Oh, you just clipped him with the right hand there. 0.93

02:41:17.000 Look at this.

02:41:25.000 This was such an interesting fight, man.

02:41:27.000 It was such an interesting fight because I thought of Nick before this fight as really a jujitsu guy.

02:41:33.000 I didn't think of him as a striker.

02:41:35.000 That same here.

02:41:36.000 That's why I was thinking when he said he was going to knock this move out.

02:41:39.000 I was like...

02:41:41.000 Well, he started getting really good at boxing when he went over to Strikeforce.

02:41:44.000 The Strikeforce version of Nick Diaz was like some of the best boxing...

02:41:47.000 Paul Daly?

02:41:48.000 Oh, yeah.

02:41:49.000 Oh, I love that fight.

02:41:50.000 Yeah.

02:41:51.000 Yeah.

02:41:52.000 Wasn't he in Elite XC, too?

02:41:54.000 Yep.

02:41:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:41:56.000 Goddamn. 1.00

02:41:58.000 See, that's the fight. 0.99

02:42:00.000 If I was the guy with the cash...

02:42:02.000 Listen.

02:42:04.000 Guys.

02:42:05.000 Let's just do this.

02:42:07.000 Connor likes fighting at 170. Guess who else likes fighting at 170?

02:42:10.000 Nick fucking Diaz. 0.99

02:42:12.000 Come on! 0.99

02:42:13.000 But, I mean, maybe Nate would get pissed.

02:42:15.000 You know, his brother stepping in and fighting him.

02:42:18.000 Nah.

02:42:18.000 They seem like they're one and the same.

02:42:23.000 They're symbiotic, man.

02:42:25.000 But do you think, like, here, like, this is like, oh, there's the shot.

02:42:28.000 Yep.

02:42:29.000 Wow.

02:42:30.000 That's crazy.

02:42:31.000 Show that again.

02:42:34.000 There's a short right hook there that stung him.

02:42:39.000 This is a fun time capsule, right?

02:42:43.000 To go back and watch fights from that long ago.

02:42:46.000 Yeah.

02:42:48.000 It's funny because I'm working.

02:42:50.000 Here it comes.

02:42:52.000 Yeah.

02:42:53.000 See, he had stung him with a punch before that.

02:42:56.000 Before he circled into that.

02:42:58.000 Oh, he goes after him.

02:42:59.000 Yeah.

02:43:02.000 Wow.

02:43:05.000 That was the birth of Nick Diaz in the UFC, really.

02:43:08.000 That was where people got excited about him.

02:43:11.000 I rolled with Nate for the first time during that fight week.

02:43:16.000 Nate was there with Nick.

02:43:17.000 I just remember it now.

02:43:19.000 Nate was there with Nick.

02:43:19.000 I went down.

02:43:20.000 My team wasn't there for a while.

02:43:22.000 And I went down to the workout room.

02:43:24.000 I was just jumping rope.

02:43:25.000 And Nick was like, hey man, that's all you're going to do?

02:43:29.000 I was like, yeah, my team's not here yet.

02:43:31.000 He's like, you want someone to roll with?

02:43:33.000 My brother's here.

02:43:34.000 So I rolled with Nick.

02:43:35.000 I rolled with Nate.

02:43:36.000 And he was really good then.

02:43:38.000 He was like 17. He's really good, though.

02:43:42.000 Yeah, you don't see their ground game that often because they like to strike.

02:43:48.000 Like, the entire last fight with Conor was almost entirely a stand-up fight.

02:43:54.000 But when you see him, when he gets guys to the ground, like the way he went through Conor, that whole sequence of beating him up, taking his back, and then choking him, that was very sharp.

02:44:03.000 There's no fat in there.

02:44:06.000 There's no room in there.

02:44:07.000 Yeah, and you can see it.

02:44:09.000 For him, it was flawless.

02:44:11.000 He'd done that a million times before.

02:44:12.000 He has 10,000 hours of that.

02:44:15.000 Yeah, 100%, yeah.

02:44:18.000 Yeah, and there's really almost no substitute for that.

02:44:21.000 But... 0.94

02:44:21.000 There's so many fucking good fights to be made now. 0.94

02:44:27.000 I mean, nobody's even talking about Michael Johnson is going to fight Nurmagomedov. 1.00

02:44:31.000 Michael Johnson's a bad motherfucker! 0.99

02:44:33.000 That's exciting! 1.00

02:44:35.000 So...

02:44:36.000 That's exciting!

02:44:37.000 This is the first time when the UFC has put together a card, the 205 card.

02:44:43.000 For me, in my personal opinion, when they pipe it as the biggest card ever, I'm like, yeah, this is the biggest card ever, but there's like two or three good fights on it.

02:44:55.000 Like two big fights.

02:44:57.000 This card, every single fight on this card could main event a show.

02:45:01.000 Yeah.

02:45:02.000 It really could.

02:45:02.000 Whether it be a fight night or whatever, every fight on this card can main event a show.

02:45:06.000 It really could.

02:45:07.000 It's crazy.

02:45:08.000 Yeah, it's a nutty card.

02:45:10.000 There's three world title fights, and there's so many great fights, like the Nurmagomedov Johnson fight, Rashad is fighting Tim Kennedy.

02:45:18.000 There's a lot of good fights on that card.

02:45:22.000 Tiago Alves.

02:45:23.000 Yeah.

02:45:23.000 Who's Tiago fighting again?

02:45:25.000 He was supposed to fight Iaquinta.

02:45:26.000 They changed it.

02:45:27.000 That's right.

02:45:28.000 But who replaced Iaquinta?

02:45:29.000 I forget.

02:45:31.000 Here it is.

02:45:32.000 Where is it?

02:45:33.000 Where's Tiago Alves?

02:45:34.000 Oh, Jim Miller!

02:45:36.000 That's good, too.

02:45:37.000 That might be just as good.

02:45:40.000 I hated hearing that, though.

02:45:42.000 That Al Iaquinta thing.

02:45:45.000 Yeah.

02:45:45.000 It was a bummer, you know?

02:45:47.000 I don't know what the full story is.

02:45:49.000 I don't know either.

02:45:51.000 But I'm a fan of Iaquinta.

02:45:53.000 He's a fun dude to watch.

02:45:56.000 There's a lot of guys out there.

02:45:57.000 I mean...

02:45:59.000 It's crazy because I feel this is the first generation of guys that have come up as MMA fighters the whole time, the whole way through.

02:46:08.000 Even Nate, being as young as he is, he was still a jiu-jitsu guy coming into this.

02:46:15.000 But there are these kids now that are fighting, like Mursad Bektik.

02:46:18.000 I feel like Mursad is one of those guys that he started training MMA. Yeah.

02:46:24.000 And when you're doing that, how important is it to find the right coach?

02:46:29.000 The right coach is so valuable.

02:46:32.000 Yeah.

02:46:33.000 Because how many guys can give you that full sort of Farah Zahabi, Matt Hume sort of experience where they've got black belt level jujitsu, like real world class striking.

02:46:43.000 They really know what the fuck they're doing and they understand the game deep, deep, in and out.

02:46:48.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:46:49.000 There's only a small amount of those guys, and it's not a coincidence that, like, the great ones, like Demetrius.

02:46:57.000 Demetrius gives up all of his credit to Matt Hume, you know?

02:47:00.000 I mean, he's like...

02:47:02.000 He found a guy who was a pioneer of the sport, who was a real high-level Muay Thai guy, real high-level black belt in jiu-jitsu, and competed at a real high level in Japan.

02:47:14.000 Remember when he fought... 0.97

02:47:16.000 Who the fuck did he fight? 0.99

02:47:18.000 Yeah, but he fought Pat Miletic. 0.99

02:47:21.000 Remember that?

02:47:21.000 He stopped Pat Miletic in an MMA fight.

02:47:24.000 Like, Matt Hume, in his day, was a bad motherfucker. 0.99

02:47:27.000 So it only made sense that he would also become a great coach. 0.98

02:47:31.000 But how many of those guys are there?

02:47:33.000 Like that.

02:47:34.000 Like that's got that kind of Matt Hume type experience and understanding of the sport.

02:47:37.000 It's coming now.

02:47:38.000 Now, right?

02:47:39.000 Because of guys from my generation like Dean Thomas and Mike Brown.

02:47:44.000 Right, right, right, right.

02:47:45.000 Yeah.

02:47:46.000 Josh Thompson's about to be retired.

02:47:49.000 He's closer to retirement than some of these younger guys.

02:47:53.000 These guys are...

02:47:57.000 Shoot.

02:47:58.000 There's so many guys now that are at that point, and this next generation of guys, they're not going to have to go to a jiu-jitsu gym and then to a kickboxing place.

02:48:09.000 They're going to have these coaches that know the game, that they're teaching them mixed martial arts and not teaching them individual parts of it.

02:48:16.000 Don't you think there's still going to be specialized coaches, though, for each individual thing?

02:48:20.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:48:20.000 Because those guys from that generation know that, hey, they're good at it all together, but there are still parts of it that their rating is not going to be 100. Right.

02:48:32.000 Well, like, Dwayne Ludwig is probably a real good example of that, because obviously Dwayne kickboxed at a real high level.

02:48:39.000 He's an excellent MMA fighter.

02:48:42.000 And when you watch, like, what he's coaching, he's primarily coaching striking. 0.70

02:48:46.000 You know, he understands ground game very well.

02:48:48.000 I mean, he can submit people.

02:48:49.000 I don't know what his...

02:48:50.000 Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu belt is, but I'm sure he's very competent on the ground.

02:48:54.000 But Dwayne is more of a specialist in the striking than anything else that he does.

02:48:59.000 So it only makes sense that you would want to have a guy like Dwayne where that's where his brain works.

02:49:04.000 His brain works on these combinations and you'd want to like, yeah man, do that. 0.96

02:49:08.000 Like fucking definitely keep doing that. 0.94

02:49:10.000 Because he's going into these crazy deep places with his techniques and his movements and his ideas. 0.98

02:49:16.000 Dwayne's got all these systems written down.

02:49:18.000 A lot of his style is documented as opposed to a lot of people just have it in their head.

02:49:25.000 They have all their moves in their head.

02:49:27.000 They have what they do in their head. 1.00

02:49:29.000 Ludwig's got all this shit written out. 1.00

02:49:31.000 He's a freak, man. 1.00

02:49:33.000 Again, the best, most complimentary way possible, but he's a freak. 0.93

02:49:37.000 Yeah, because see, when Trump becomes president, and then society falls, and we get buried under ashes, a thousand years from now, somebody's going to find that manuscript.

02:49:52.000 Yeah.

02:49:53.000 And recreate the Dwayne Ludwig neo-footwear style of striking.

02:49:57.000 They're going to build statues of Dwayne Ludwig.

02:49:59.000 Dude, you make me scared of the election.

02:50:03.000 If you're in California, you've got to register to vote.

02:50:05.000 You have two more days, I think, folks.

02:50:07.000 I really think with both those guys, you've got to put your war pants on.

02:50:11.000 Both people running?

02:50:12.000 Yeah.

02:50:12.000 Well, you could vote for Gary Johnson, even though he doesn't know what Aleppo is.

02:50:18.000 I didn't know what Aleppo is either.

02:50:20.000 Apparently there was a good fight going on here that we completely and totally missed.

02:50:24.000 That dude looks so much like Chris Camozzi, it's crazy.

02:50:28.000 Is that Chris Camozzi's brother?

02:50:29.000 It can't be.

02:50:30.000 No.

02:50:32.000 What were you gonna say?

02:50:34.000 I lost my train of thought.

02:50:38.000 Yursi Belgarui vs Ariel Machado.

02:50:43.000 Wow.

02:50:44.000 Hmm.

02:50:45.000 We didn't watch this fight for a second.

02:50:52.000 As so often is the fight campaign.

02:50:55.000 So this is the middleweight.

02:50:57.000 It's a middleweight tournament.

02:50:58.000 So this is the first round of the middleweight tournament.

02:51:01.000 It was a tournament for tonight?

02:51:03.000 Yeah.

02:51:04.000 And then the next one is Adesanya.

02:51:10.000 Yeah.

02:51:11.000 Stylebender.

02:51:12.000 Stylebender.

02:51:13.000 Do you know Stylebender?

02:51:15.000 I know of him.

02:51:16.000 I don't know him personally.

02:51:17.000 Fun guy to watch fight.

02:51:19.000 Yeah.

02:51:19.000 I'm really interested to see how this goes.

02:51:22.000 Yeah, me too.

02:51:23.000 He's super technical. 1.00

02:51:24.000 I've seen a bunch of his shit online. 0.99

02:51:26.000 And he's sort of dabbling in MMA as well. 0.99

02:51:29.000 He's thinking about fighting MMA as well.

02:51:31.000 He seems like he's working hard and doing anything that gets the opportunity.

02:51:35.000 But he's fighting on the China show, so I haven't seen the...

02:51:39.000 Like the similar competition or whatnot, so I'm interested to see how this goes.

02:51:44.000 And then Robert Thomas is kind of slower.

02:51:48.000 I fought him.

02:51:49.000 He was slower, but he's got a granite chin.

02:51:53.000 He's got a cabbage face. 0.99

02:51:55.000 I hit that guy so fucking hard, and he took it. 0.99

02:51:59.000 Wow. 0.98

02:52:01.000 I was thinking about...

02:52:02.000 Cabbage face, that's what I mean.

02:52:06.000 You mean that in the most complimentary way.

02:52:07.000 Yeah, he's a really nice guy.

02:52:08.000 He's a good guy.

02:52:09.000 He's a very talented son.

02:52:11.000 Simon Marcus.

02:52:13.000 When you said that guy is starting to do, um, getting into some MMA, when you look at, like, kickboxes this level...

02:52:20.000 I think like they should if they want to get an MMA keep kickboxing and take like a year and really straight most of the time wrestle you know yeah play with the submission play the submission game and just learn it understand it but learn how to wrestle right first like after their kickboxing because when you can wrestle and you're comfortable and confident and throwing your kick throwing out your real kickboxing skills Right.

02:52:57.000 Right.

02:53:00.000 Right.

02:53:13.000 Unless you're fighting Damien Maia.

02:53:14.000 Exactly.

02:53:15.000 Then you're getting taken down by a boa constrictor.

02:53:18.000 But he did a Rick story.

02:53:20.000 I remember watching that going, I did not think we were ever going to see that.

02:53:24.000 Like, Story's such a gorilla.

02:53:25.000 And he's such a physically strong kid.

02:53:29.000 That to see Damien get a hold of him and just constrict...

02:53:34.000 He just constricted him, got to his back, got a hold of his neck, neck cranked him, and that was a wrap.

02:53:40.000 I mean, the way he did it was stunning.

02:53:43.000 The way he did that, Carlos is stunning.

02:53:45.000 Stunning.

02:53:47.000 I expected him to be better than Carlos on the ground, probably by a big margin too, but I didn't see him just kind of walking there.

02:53:56.000 In my eyes, it's a testament to the ground game of Rory McDonald.

02:54:00.000 Because Rory McDonald got taken down by Damien in the first round, and a lot of it was Damien on top of him in the mount.

02:54:06.000 And he defended. 0.99

02:54:08.000 He defended, got back to his feet, and then beat his ass in the second and the third rounds. 0.99

02:54:12.000 Just stand up. 0.99

02:54:13.000 You know?

02:54:14.000 Rory, underrated ground game.

02:54:17.000 Who did he fight in...

02:54:18.000 He fought someone in Metamorris.

02:54:22.000 Was it like JT Torres? 0.85

02:54:24.000 Like someone who's really good and he got caught in a Kimura and he got his arm all fucked up and he didn't tap. 0.82

02:54:31.000 I'm trying to remember who he fought.

02:54:33.000 But he went to, you know, what they call a draw at those because they don't really have scores.

02:54:37.000 If you don't submit the guy that goes to a draw.

02:54:41.000 Is that who it is?

02:54:42.000 Yeah, it's JT Torres.

02:54:43.000 And Torres is a super high-level kid in the grappling scene.

02:54:49.000 I mean, he does really well in high-level black belt matches and in grappling.

02:54:56.000 So for him to step in like that, for Rory to do that while he's a professional MMA fighter and take on this kid, super impressive.

02:55:06.000 And he hung in there.

02:55:07.000 I mean, look at him.

02:55:08.000 He's attacking leg locks here.

02:55:09.000 They're both exchanging heel hooks. 0.96

02:55:16.000 I hate looking at heel hooks.

02:55:18.000 I know, right?

02:55:18.000 You wait for that sound to crack hard.

02:55:22.000 I know that he doesn't get finished with this heel hook.

02:55:26.000 I still don't want to look at it.

02:55:27.000 I know, right?

02:55:28.000 Because guys get hurt even though they don't get finished.

02:55:30.000 Yeah.

02:55:31.000 Like, you don't know that they're hurt, and they keep fighting, and there's some inflammation, and later they realize there's a big-ass tear in their MCL or something. 0.99

02:55:38.000 That shit happens all the time. 0.98

02:55:39.000 And then you walk in, you feel it when you try to walk up the stairs. 1.00

02:55:43.000 Have you ever had a knee surgery?

02:55:44.000 No, no knee surgeries.

02:55:46.000 I was fortunate, man.

02:55:47.000 Wow, that's incredible.

02:55:48.000 For a kickboxer?

02:55:49.000 Yeah.

02:55:50.000 That's incredible.

02:55:52.000 I've been lucky. 0.99

02:55:53.000 Damn, that's amazing. 0.99

02:55:54.000 Well, you must do it smart, too. 1.00

02:55:56.000 Smart.

02:55:57.000 Yeah.

02:55:57.000 Black leg kicks.

02:55:58.000 I mean, it kind of also seems like my thing, or my question about a guy like Nurmagomedov, who has that insane pedal to the metal style, whereas you, who, although you had a very aggressive style, it was very well thought out.

02:56:14.000 It was very technical in your approach.

02:56:18.000 It's not like...

02:56:20.000 I don't go out there with the idea.

02:56:22.000 I'm going to be technical.

02:56:23.000 That's just how my brain works, I guess.

02:56:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:56:25.000 Not only because I understand that well enough to do it that way.

02:56:29.000 And this is not to insinuate that Nurmagomedov isn't technical.

02:56:32.000 No.

02:56:33.000 He's super technical, but he's aggressive with that technique.

02:56:37.000 He's a berserker.

02:56:37.000 Yeah.

02:56:39.000 He'll just kind of come after you and go wild and turn the heat up all the time.

02:56:43.000 I wasn't that guy.

02:56:46.000 He fights angry.

02:56:47.000 Yeah.

02:56:48.000 That's a good way to play it.

02:56:50.000 You fight calm and collected.

02:56:54.000 This dude fights calm and collected. 1.00

02:56:56.000 I hate to segue like I'm a fucking professional announcer here, but Stylebender's a bad motherfucker. 1.00

02:57:01.000 Yeah, he looks real smooth. 0.99

02:57:02.000 I really enjoy watching him fight, and I've been looking forward to this fight in particular.

02:57:07.000 He's a fun dude.

02:57:08.000 He's fun online, too. 0.98

02:57:10.000 He wrote some funny shit about Brendan Schaub And these two girls were having a pillow fight, and Brendan Schaub's concerned they're going to get CTE. He's funny, man. 0.99

02:57:20.000 He's a funny dude, yeah.

02:57:22.000 I guess, like, he listens to the fighter and the kid, and maybe Brendan Schaub's been talking too much about CTE, but he was just being hilarious.

02:57:29.000 Schaub would want to have these girls diagnosed for CTE. But he's like, in my opinion, when it comes to kickboxing, he's the epitome of technique, you know, of a technical fighter.

02:57:44.000 And he's also super creative.

02:57:46.000 I like watching him fight.

02:57:48.000 I like how he moves.

02:57:49.000 Yeah, very technical.

02:57:51.000 He's very smart the way he fights.

02:57:53.000 And he's also extremely capable.

02:57:56.000 You know, he's got some extreme talents.

02:57:59.000 Should be interesting.

02:58:00.000 Because, like you said, Joe, he's been fighting in China a lot, right?

02:58:05.000 Yeah, well, just Europe over there.

02:58:07.000 He gets paid a lot to fight over there, I guess.

02:58:09.000 And now he's making his way to Glory, which is...

02:58:14.000 I guess this is broadcast everywhere, right?

02:58:17.000 We're on ESPN3, we're watching it right now, but what other parts of the world do they have this on?

02:58:21.000 They're in like 120 countries.

02:58:23.000 Glory's got their bigger assets overseas, I guess.

02:58:28.000 I was so psyched when it got on UFC Fight Pass.

02:58:33.000 So fun to just be able to watch, throw it up in the gym, get motivated.

02:58:42.000 Oh, because it's just saved up there.

02:58:44.000 Yeah, just DVR. It's like a DVR. Well, streaming, rather.

02:58:49.000 I wasn't thrilled about it because of sponsors.

02:58:52.000 Sponsors?

02:58:53.000 Yeah, when I was fighting on it.

02:58:55.000 Because it was just...

02:58:56.000 You don't get ratings for...

02:59:00.000 Oh, for Fight Pass sponsors.

02:59:02.000 Yeah, right, right, right. 0.99

02:59:03.000 You wouldn't even know how many fucking people are watching. 0.98

02:59:05.000 Trying to explain it to a sponsor is like explaining, like, go to GFL.com and watch me. 0.99

02:59:13.000 There's a lot of people that have Fight Pass, but there's a lot more people who don't have Fight Pass.

02:59:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:59:20.000 Yeah.

02:59:21.000 Like, Fight Pass is awesome, and if you really are a fan of MMA and you can afford the scratch...

02:59:29.000 How much does it cost?

02:59:30.000 How much does Fight Pass?

02:59:31.000 Ten.

02:59:31.000 Eight.

02:59:32.000 That is so cheap.

02:59:34.000 Super cheap.

02:59:34.000 That's super cheap.

02:59:35.000 Super cheap.

02:59:35.000 It's worth it.

02:59:36.000 Like, if you're a big-time fan, and if you're just becoming a fan, like, that's where it's even crazy. 0.99

02:59:41.000 Dude, you missed out on all the great shit. 0.73

02:59:44.000 Yeah, but it's, like, an awesome deal, because there's all the Invicta fights, all the live fights, all the... 0.98

02:59:51.000 There's a bunch of different...

02:59:52.000 Everything.

02:59:53.000 So I had this crazy idea one time, I thought, silly idea, to, um...

03:00:00.000 You're able to make playlists on Fight Pass.

03:00:03.000 Or have some people's playlists.

03:00:07.000 That's a great idea.

03:00:09.000 Some of your favorite fighters' playlists on Fight Pass because of the fights that inspired them to come and do this thing.

03:00:14.000 Yeah.

03:00:16.000 Dude, that's a great idea.

03:00:18.000 That's a great idea.

03:00:19.000 That should be an option.

03:00:20.000 Like, on your fight pass, you should be able to have a star, and you can add it to a collection.

03:00:26.000 Dude, that's slick.

03:00:28.000 I like that.

03:00:28.000 Then you would be able to find, like, what would Don Frye pick?

03:00:33.000 You know what I'm saying?

03:00:34.000 What's Don Frye's all-time favorite fights?

03:00:37.000 You know it's going to be a slobber knocker. 0.75

03:00:46.000 Stylebender.

03:00:47.000 All kinds of weird ads on his shorts.

03:00:51.000 What's up with those shorts?

03:00:52.000 It just has a lot of...

03:00:53.000 I thought that was a bunch of different countries' flags.

03:00:55.000 It's like a tiger.

03:00:56.000 Oh, it is a tiger.

03:00:57.000 A pink tiger.

03:00:59.000 What are you seeing here, Joe?

03:01:00.000 Talk us through this.

03:01:00.000 It's like the Coogee shorts.

03:01:02.000 Woo! 0.99

03:01:02.000 Beautiful. 0.99

03:01:03.000 Beautiful question mark kick.

03:01:05.000 What are you seeing here, Joe, when you're watching him?

03:01:10.000 Because you know Thomas, right?

03:01:12.000 Yeah.

03:01:12.000 You fought him.

03:01:14.000 Yeah, Thomas is a...

03:01:15.000 Actually, right now, I was watching...

03:01:17.000 Thomas looks a little different than...

03:01:18.000 He's got a little more head movement now, and he's in more of a boxing stance.

03:01:23.000 He's actually throwing decent punches.

03:01:25.000 He used to have these, like...

03:01:27.000 Thomas used to have this overly Thai style.

03:01:29.000 And I mean, it's like these guys that try to fight and try to mimic and copy traditional Muay Thai.

03:01:36.000 And one, it doesn't work when you're that big, in my opinion.

03:01:39.000 And it...

03:01:40.000 In this style of rules, it's not good.

03:01:43.000 Interesting.

03:01:44.000 As opposed to kickboxing.

03:01:45.000 Why do you think it doesn't work when you're that big?

03:01:47.000 Because traditional Muay Thai, when I say that, is all about body kicks.

03:01:52.000 And it's very upright.

03:01:54.000 You stand very upright and it's a slow-paced thing.

03:01:58.000 And I think that the guys that are creative, that mix their punches and their kicks up, use different movement.

03:02:05.000 Have more of an American kickboxing style.

03:02:07.000 Or a Dutch kickboxing style, a different style than traditional Muay Thai.

03:02:11.000 I think it's more effective, and the rules are set up for that.

03:02:16.000 Why do you think it's more effective with people that are heavier, though?

03:02:20.000 I'm just because they're slow.

03:02:21.000 They're just slow.

03:02:23.000 Interesting.

03:02:24.000 So, like, the guys who are shorter, or the smaller guys...

03:02:28.000 That was a nice light kick.

03:02:29.000 The guys who are smaller, like the...

03:02:33.000 Elite guys at the lighter weight classes, they could move quick enough to pull off that upward stance?

03:02:39.000 Yeah, so the whole, like, if you think about, like, Muay Thai, like, it was designed as, like, a martial arts for a bunch of people that are 135 pounds.

03:02:47.000 Right.

03:02:47.000 Tops, you know.

03:02:50.000 But the, and the way that the rules for traditional Muay Thai, the slow-paced five-round fight, it's, like, a really slow pace.

03:02:57.000 It's all about, um, It's a way slower pace.

03:03:04.000 It's about gambling.

03:03:05.000 It's just really different.

03:03:06.000 When people watch it, and then they try to copy it, and they fight it a slower pace as well.

03:03:11.000 Oh, Edison, you just cracked them.

03:03:13.000 Is it about being tougher?

03:03:15.000 Like the traditional style?

03:03:17.000 Is that kind of what you mean?

03:03:18.000 Or no, not at all?

03:03:19.000 No, not at all.

03:03:21.000 Because it seems like when I think about a traditional Thai style, it's kind of squaring up and Throwing straight shots and trying to land that hard kick to the body.

03:03:33.000 Robert Thomas looks way different.

03:03:36.000 What looks different about him?

03:03:38.000 He's like a lot more turned into his stance.

03:03:40.000 He's got way more of a boxing stance.

03:03:42.000 He was really squared up.

03:03:45.000 He's sitting down on his punch.

03:03:46.000 He's sitting down more.

03:03:48.000 So you see a lot of improvement.

03:03:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:03:50.000 I mean, yeah, for my liking it is.

03:03:52.000 And then he's being a lot more aggressive with his hands.

03:03:55.000 Looks like really good.

03:03:57.000 Glory 37, Los Angeles, January 20th.

03:04:03.000 You said Lion Fight is on Fight Pass.

03:04:06.000 Is it on Fight Pass?

03:04:07.000 I think I heard a couple.

03:04:09.000 Really?

03:04:10.000 Yeah.

03:04:11.000 I didn't know Lion Fight was on it, too.

03:04:12.000 I thought they were.

03:04:14.000 I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

03:04:18.000 What's so funny?

03:04:19.000 I was like, they put Bellator on Fight Pass.

03:04:25.000 Poor Bellator.

03:04:26.000 How do you guys see the spike so far?

03:04:29.000 It's interesting.

03:04:31.000 Thomas, like you said, he's definitely, it seems to me, he looks like a better fighter than he was when he fought you.

03:04:37.000 Thomas used to not use his hands aggressively, so I didn't think he did.

03:04:42.000 I told him after the fight he used to work on his boxing a lot.

03:04:44.000 But he used to be all about this step-up knee and this body kick, and I haven't seen him try to do that at all.

03:04:50.000 He's sitting down a lot better in his stance.

03:04:54.000 I don't know if he's winning on points or not, but...

03:04:57.000 A joke.

03:04:58.000 I guess you say it Adesanya.

03:04:59.000 I've been saying...

03:05:00.000 How have I been saying it?

03:05:01.000 I didn't know how to say it.

03:05:02.000 Adesanya.

03:05:03.000 The shorts are dope, though.

03:05:05.000 Yeah.

03:05:06.000 It's like...

03:05:07.000 The way I look at it, I'm like...

03:05:09.000 It's stuck on my brain now.

03:05:10.000 I think Robert Thomas looks good here.

03:05:14.000 What are you going to say?

03:05:15.000 I'm not.

03:05:16.000 Need of the body.

03:05:17.000 Nice.

03:05:18.000 Powerful need of the body. 1.00

03:05:19.000 God damn. 0.99

03:05:20.000 That was clean. 1.00

03:05:22.000 On the solar plex.

03:05:23.000 I don't know.

03:05:24.000 Might be it.

03:05:25.000 Yeah, that was a bad one.

03:05:26.000 Wait, wait.

03:05:27.000 He's coming.

03:05:28.000 Wow, he got back up at nine.

03:05:30.000 That was a tough one.

03:05:31.000 Jesus Christ.

03:05:32.000 Two minutes to go.

03:05:32.000 I just want to put a disclaimer out because I wasn't trying to fart on Bellator.

03:05:37.000 I'm saying fight bass will gobble everything up.

03:05:40.000 I know, right?

03:05:40.000 And it's cool to put everything in one spot.

03:05:43.000 It's like Netflix.

03:05:44.000 I personally root for Bellator.

03:05:47.000 I really do.

03:05:48.000 I think it's good for everybody to have more events.

03:05:52.000 I think it's good for the sport.

03:05:54.000 It elevates the sport.

03:05:55.000 I don't think it's bad for the UFC. I think the UFC is giant.

03:05:58.000 It's only going to get bigger.

03:05:59.000 I don't think it's bad that Bellator does good.

03:06:02.000 And I think it's great what they're doing now where they're taking fighters who did well in the UFC and maybe it didn't work out for them or maybe they decided to try to test their options like Rory McDonald, Phil Davis.

03:06:14.000 They're developing a real roster.

03:06:16.000 Yeah.

03:06:18.000 Rory's world-class.

03:06:19.000 He's a world-class welterweight in anybody's book.

03:06:22.000 What happens because of that is because now you bring these guys with that UFC level experience, because some of those Bellator guys can walk right into the UFC and do well.

03:06:30.000 Michael Chandler.

03:06:31.000 Yeah, exactly.

03:06:32.000 But not all of them.

03:06:34.000 But when you bring that UFC level experience back to the Bellator cage, then that's the same thing that I was saying before about that void.

03:06:43.000 There's a point now these guys can raise their level some.

03:06:46.000 The guys that aren't there, but they're in that environment.

03:06:50.000 Right.

03:06:51.000 You would know this.

03:06:52.000 You're in the loop.

03:06:53.000 What happened with Ben Askren and Bellator?

03:06:56.000 Why did he not go back to Bellator?

03:06:58.000 He was the champion.

03:06:59.000 That's so rare that a champion leaves with the belt and winds up going and fighting somewhere else.

03:07:06.000 Yeah, I don't remember at all.

03:07:08.000 I know I asked him about it.

03:07:10.000 Oh, how convenient.

03:07:13.000 No, I vaguely remember.

03:07:18.000 He's the one guy that troubles me the most.

03:07:20.000 Out of all the people that are not competing right now in the UFC, he's the one guy that troubles me the most.

03:07:26.000 Because...

03:07:27.000 I would want to see what he can do.

03:07:30.000 I want to see what he can do.

03:07:31.000 I mean, people say that his style is boring or that they don't like it because he just gets on top of guys and becomes a blanket and punches him in the face.

03:07:39.000 I'm like, yeah, but he can do that.

03:07:42.000 Right.

03:07:42.000 Like, don't you think it's imperative that we show what can be done?

03:07:46.000 Like, can he do that to Damien Maia?

03:07:47.000 I want to know who he can do it to.

03:07:49.000 I want to know who he can do it to.

03:07:50.000 And there's only one way.

03:07:51.000 Look, he's done it to a lot of people.

03:07:53.000 Look what he did to Koreshkov. 1.00

03:07:54.000 You know what a bad motherfucker Koreshkov is. 0.99

03:07:59.000 Right? 1.00

03:07:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:08:00.000 Manhandle them. 0.92

03:08:01.000 Manhandle them. 0.98

03:08:02.000 I'm just really on that.

03:08:03.000 I'm really on that right now.

03:08:04.000 He's mugged a lot of dudes.

03:08:05.000 He mugs them.

03:08:06.000 That's what you do.

03:08:07.000 That's the fight you bring him into the UFC to fight.

03:08:10.000 Put him and Damien Maia as a co-main on a big card.

03:08:14.000 Or put him with an exciting young kid who's going to come after him.

03:08:20.000 Yeah.

03:08:20.000 You know?

03:08:22.000 There you go.

03:08:24.000 Mike Perry.

03:08:25.000 Someone who's gonna do something crazy. 0.99

03:08:27.000 Go out and throw wild punches at him. 1.00

03:08:30.000 Make it a fucking scrap. 1.00

03:08:32.000 Look, one of his toughest fights in Bellator was Jay Huron, right? 0.99

03:08:36.000 Jay can wrestle.

03:08:38.000 Yeah, Jay can wrestle.

03:08:40.000 Jay's a very good MMA fighter and he can wrestle.

03:08:43.000 And so he was better in striking than Askren was at the time.

03:08:49.000 Right.

03:08:50.000 But Ask Green Starkey's not that bad either. 1.00

03:08:52.000 He knows how to get away from shit. 0.98

03:08:54.000 And when he gets a hold of guys, he takes them down in these ways they're just not expecting. 0.99

03:08:58.000 I really want to see him in Maya now. 0.99

03:09:00.000 Fuck yeah! 0.99

03:09:01.000 Dude, I want to see him in a lot of guys. 1.00

03:09:03.000 I want to see him in Wonderboy.

03:09:04.000 That's what I want to see.

03:09:06.000 I mean, wouldn't you want to see that?

03:09:07.000 Yeah.

03:09:08.000 Can you take that dude down?

03:09:09.000 Can you get a hold of him?

03:09:10.000 Can you get past those kicks?

03:09:11.000 Like, what's gonna happen there? 1.00

03:09:14.000 Fuck man. 0.99

03:09:15.000 It's like there's not a whole lot of guys that are specialists in and that's much of a pure sense as he is. 1.00

03:09:22.000 He's a wrestling specialist.

03:09:24.000 He's a real world-class wrestler. 1.00

03:09:28.000 And anytime there's a guy like that out there for me, it's just like shit. 0.99

03:09:33.000 Yeah, especially when they come in with a different style of that specialty. 0.97

03:09:39.000 Like, Askren's style isn't the same.

03:09:41.000 I mean, Nurmagomedov is a specialist as a wrestler, but Askren's style is different.

03:09:46.000 Exactly.

03:09:47.000 Askren's style is just bizarre.

03:09:49.000 He just holds on to guys in weird ways.

03:09:53.000 And he just seems so much stronger than he looks.

03:09:56.000 He's a very interesting man.

03:09:59.000 I hate to bring that up again, but the only reason why I do is because I am a fan of the sport.

03:10:07.000 I'm a big fan of the sport. 0.98

03:10:09.000 And I don't think the sport is the most exciting shit. 0.99

03:10:12.000 I think... 0.99

03:10:13.000 The sport is the sport.

03:10:15.000 If there's something that's not as exciting but is more effective, that's still a part of the sport.

03:10:21.000 You can't ignore that something just because it's convenient for your vision of what makes the sport dynamic and exciting.

03:10:28.000 Because then it's not the sport anymore.

03:10:30.000 Because then it's the sport plus entertainment, but this guy's going to stink it up.

03:10:34.000 We're going to keep him on the outside.

03:10:36.000 And he might not.

03:10:37.000 I mean, it might be Jay Heron squared.

03:10:40.000 You get him in with someone like a Wonderboy or Tyron Woodley or someone along those lines.

03:10:45.000 Tyron and him, they know each other very well, right?

03:10:47.000 They're good.

03:10:47.000 They're their teammates.

03:10:48.000 Would they fight?

03:10:49.000 No.

03:10:50.000 No?

03:10:50.000 They wouldn't?

03:10:51.000 I don't think they would fight.

03:10:52.000 I doubt they would fight even for the belt.

03:10:54.000 Wow.

03:10:56.000 Well, that would be an interesting fight if they weren't that good friends, stylistically, because Tyron's a really good wrestler, too, and that crazy knockout power.

03:11:04.000 But they know each other, too.

03:11:05.000 Honestly, in an MMA fight, I think it's bad for Ben simply because they know each other so well, and Tyron is more explosive with the striking.

03:11:17.000 Stylebender.

03:11:18.000 It's no joke.

03:11:22.000 Standing up.

03:11:25.000 Just 15 seconds to go.

03:11:26.000 He's gonna survive.

03:11:27.000 He's caught that one. 1.00

03:11:28.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

03:11:34.000 Whoa, beautiful combination there. 1.00

03:11:37.000 Oh, right hand.

03:11:38.000 Ooh! 0.96

03:11:39.000 Ooh! 1.00

03:11:43.000 The shorts are dope as fuck. 1.00

03:11:45.000 They are. 0.99

03:11:46.000 He's a fun guy to watch, man.

03:11:48.000 Yeah, it was a good fight.

03:11:51.000 Robert Thomas looked a lot better, though.

03:11:53.000 It was good.

03:11:58.000 So that was round one of the tournament for him, right?

03:12:00.000 So he might have to...

03:12:02.000 So if he wins this, then he fights in the next...

03:12:04.000 Who won the...

03:12:05.000 I don't know.

03:12:05.000 We weren't paying attention.

03:12:06.000 We weren't paying attention at all.

03:12:07.000 Machado.

03:12:08.000 Not even a little.

03:12:09.000 Was it Machado?

03:12:11.000 Machado.

03:12:11.000 Jamie's on the ball.

03:12:12.000 Let's see him on it.

03:12:14.000 This is another fight that I'm really interested in.

03:12:17.000 Or a style matchup I'm really interested in.

03:12:19.000 Is that explosive speed of Tyron versus that slow methodical style of Maya too. 1.00

03:12:25.000 That's another one.

03:12:26.000 Can he take Tyron down?

03:12:28.000 Can he get to Tyron?

03:12:30.000 And you're going to have to go through hell to get to him.

03:12:33.000 There's no question in the world, there's no question in my mind at least, that Tyron moves far faster.

03:12:38.000 So he's very difficult to get a hold of Grappler anyway.

03:12:42.000 Very good wrestling.

03:12:43.000 And then he moves far faster.

03:12:45.000 And he's got thunderous power.

03:12:47.000 So Maia's going to have to take chances.

03:12:49.000 So in taking those chances to close that distance, he's not a kicking specialist either.

03:12:53.000 So he's going to be taking those chances with his hands.

03:12:56.000 And you're just going to run into these potential counters, especially in the first round.

03:13:00.000 For anybody, Tyron is the scariest in the first round because he just has so much speed and explosion.

03:13:06.000 I think it takes guys by surprise.

03:13:08.000 It takes them by surprise and it probably takes them at least a round or about a round to adjust to that speed at the very least.

03:13:16.000 There's been some knockouts like the Josh Koscheck knockout.

03:13:22.000 Remember that one?

03:13:22.000 Yep.

03:13:23.000 Oh my goodness.

03:13:24.000 Oh my goodness. 1.00

03:13:26.000 Just a fucking bomb over the top. 1.00

03:13:32.000 I can picture it in my head, the way he's standing up over him. 1.00

03:13:40.000 It's kind of scary.

03:13:42.000 It looks scary.

03:13:43.000 It looks like two superheroes just got into a fight.

03:13:50.000 Yeah, it's, man, Koscik's another guy. 0.96

03:13:54.000 What a fucking accomplished wrestler that guy was before he got into MMA. Yep. 0.95

03:13:58.000 Super high-level wrestler.

03:14:00.000 That kid, Gregor Gillespie, that kid is legit good.

03:14:06.000 Really good wrestler.

03:14:07.000 Yeah?

03:14:08.000 Really good.

03:14:08.000 He's a four-time All-American.

03:14:10.000 He's a national champion.

03:14:13.000 This guy, before I met him, I was going up there to train, and everybody's like, yeah, when you get with Gregor, man, he's a beast on top.

03:14:22.000 I went up there for about three weeks.

03:14:25.000 First go we go, he takes me down.

03:14:27.000 I'm like, alright, cool, this guy's supposed to be a beast on top.

03:14:30.000 I get up.

03:14:32.000 I get up on the very first try, right?

03:14:35.000 That was the last time I got up for three weeks.

03:14:39.000 I went to charge him rent, man.

03:14:43.000 For three weeks?

03:14:44.000 For three weeks.

03:14:45.000 I couldn't do anything when he was on top of me.

03:14:48.000 Wow.

03:14:49.000 I couldn't do anything.

03:14:51.000 Nothing. 0.99

03:14:51.000 Damn. 0.99

03:14:53.000 There's dudes like that. 1.00

03:14:55.000 He's really good. 1.00

03:14:57.000 Damn. 0.99

03:15:00.000 Yeah, there's, like, what we're talking about, about specialists. 0.99

03:15:03.000 Yeah.

03:15:04.000 People that just have that high a level.

03:15:06.000 Well, that's one of the things that always intrigued me about aspirin.

03:15:09.000 Is that Pettis would say, like, I couldn't fight that dude.

03:15:12.000 That dude, he'd just hold me down. 0.98

03:15:14.000 Do whatever the fuck he wants to me. 0.99

03:15:15.000 Like, I want to see! 1.00

03:15:18.000 Come on, Uncle Dana!

03:15:20.000 I want to see!

03:15:23.000 Ben used to, like, I met him when I first met Tyron.

03:15:27.000 I went up to Missouri to train.

03:15:28.000 And Tyron took me to some tournament.

03:15:33.000 And Ben was, he was just going out and pinning dudes.

03:15:36.000 I mean, he's pinning, like, college-level wrestlers.

03:15:40.000 Wow.

03:15:40.000 In the first period sometimes, like, quickly.

03:15:44.000 Dean says to me, the first time he met Ben, or the first time he worked out with Ben, he's like, Ben just asks him, he goes, do you know what a sprawl is?

03:15:54.000 He couldn't do anything about what Ben was doing to him.

03:15:57.000 So Ben didn't know if he knew how to sprawl.

03:16:01.000 Like Dean Thomas doesn't know how to sprawl.

03:16:05.000 That's how good he is though.

03:16:09.000 And how good he is.

03:16:11.000 Did you ever see when he rolled Marcelo Garcia?

03:16:13.000 Yep.

03:16:13.000 Marcelo just tabbed him.

03:16:17.000 Marcelo's just so freakish.

03:16:18.000 You know, his jiu-jitsu, especially in his prime.

03:16:22.000 So freakish.

03:16:24.000 Marcelo's a beast, too. 0.91

03:16:25.000 Yeah.

03:16:26.000 I was in Brazil when he emerged on the scene in 2003, when he fought Shaolin and choked him out.

03:16:32.000 He got his back, and then in the rolling and spinning, he put him to sleep.

03:16:37.000 Like, as Shaolin was trying to defend, he was getting his back, and I believe he got him from the side.

03:16:43.000 I think he wound up, like, rear naked choking him from the side, and that's how he put him to sleep.

03:16:48.000 But it was just Shaolin refusing to tap, because nobody even knew who Marcelo was back then.

03:16:53.000 Yeah.

03:16:54.000 And that was one of his most impressive early-on victories.

03:16:58.000 That, to this day, is one of my all-time favorite submission victories that I've ever seen anybody perform.

03:17:07.000 Because it was just so explosive and fast and final.

03:17:13.000 Put him to sleep.

03:17:14.000 It's very rare to see a high-level guy like Shaolin Hibero get put to sleep.

03:17:20.000 You know?

03:17:21.000 And that was the first time we'd ever seen Marcelo.

03:17:23.000 Shaolin was one of those guys, too.

03:17:25.000 Like, when he came to MMA, he was one of those dangerous guys.

03:17:28.000 Oh, yeah.

03:17:29.000 Super high-level rapper.

03:17:30.000 Yeah.

03:17:31.000 I mean, and this was Abu Dhabi 2003. Jamie, see if you can find that.

03:17:36.000 Marcelo Garcia versus Shaolin.

03:17:40.000 It's not a fast fight.

03:17:42.000 I mean, it's not a long fight at all.

03:17:44.000 I should say match.

03:17:45.000 Fighters get mad.

03:17:48.000 Jiu-jitsu guys call fights.

03:17:49.000 Fighters like, it's a match, bro.

03:17:53.000 It's not a fight.

03:17:54.000 Did you get hit?

03:17:56.000 But a boxing match is a fight, too.

03:17:58.000 Isn't that a fight?

03:17:59.000 Here it is.

03:17:59.000 So he takes his back.

03:18:00.000 Look at this.

03:18:01.000 That's a fight.

03:18:01.000 You get hit.

03:18:02.000 That's a fight.

03:18:03.000 This is a match.

03:18:04.000 He takes his back and he chokes him here like sideways.

03:18:08.000 Yeah.

03:18:10.000 And that's it.

03:18:10.000 He put him to sleep.

03:18:12.000 This is, um...

03:18:14.000 Boom.

03:18:15.000 That was final.

03:18:18.000 Nobody knew who Marcelo Garcia was.

03:18:20.000 Everybody knew who Shaolin was.

03:18:22.000 I remember hearing about his name right after seeing that video.

03:18:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:18:28.000 Play that shit again, Jamie. 1.00

03:18:30.000 It was crazy. 1.00

03:18:33.000 Do it right from there.

03:18:35.000 The thing about Marcelo was that arm drag to the back was just so unstoppable.

03:18:40.000 So unstoppable.

03:18:42.000 He would get to that position, man.

03:18:44.000 It was just so tight.

03:18:46.000 Look at this.

03:18:47.000 He's essentially one hook and he's like on top on the side.

03:18:53.000 And he's got him spun around and flattened out.

03:18:56.000 He's chested back.

03:18:57.000 Yeah.

03:18:57.000 He was chested back and he stopped him from rolling out of it perfectly.

03:19:03.000 It was just death.

03:19:05.000 Like the way he's spinning and trying to resolve it.

03:19:09.000 He never releases that chested back.

03:19:11.000 No, never.

03:19:12.000 His squeeze is something else, man.

03:19:14.000 Woof! 0.98

03:19:14.000 That is one of my all-time favorite submission victories. 0.98

03:19:17.000 Just because of the finality to it, but also the fucking ruthlessness of his technique. 0.97

03:19:24.000 He had both things going on. 0.97

03:19:26.000 It was like he had incredible technique and aggression and perfect timing and perfect positioning. 1.00

03:19:35.000 Fuck. 1.00

03:19:36.000 That was amazing. 1.00

03:19:38.000 And again, Shaolin.

03:19:39.000 He did it to a beast.

03:19:40.000 It wasn't like to some regular person.

03:19:43.000 He was an American top team for a while.

03:19:47.000 It sucks because all my training partners beat me up.

03:19:52.000 I'm training with Marcelo. 0.85

03:19:53.000 He's training for an MMA fight over in Japan.

03:19:56.000 And I'm training for a fight.

03:19:57.000 And we're going.

03:19:59.000 And I'm keeping it standing.

03:20:01.000 I'm defending takedowns.

03:20:02.000 I'm winning the round.

03:20:03.000 And Conan goes, 30 seconds!

03:20:05.000 And I'm like, 30 seconds?

03:20:07.000 Yeah, I've dominated this round.

03:20:09.000 Okay, now let me be strategic.

03:20:11.000 I'm going to take him down.

03:20:12.000 Secure the round.

03:20:13.000 And, you know, kind of put it out to the judges that I'm not afraid of his ground game.

03:20:18.000 You know, just kind of playing the game in my head.

03:20:20.000 I shoot a shot and on the way down he reverses me and he taps me before the round is over. 0.99

03:20:30.000 It was like, this is garbage. 1.00

03:20:34.000 This is bullshit, man. 1.00

03:20:37.000 He's ridiculously good. 1.00

03:20:39.000 Is he the best guy you ever rolled with?

03:20:41.000 Absolutely.

03:20:42.000 By far.

03:20:44.000 I mean, Matt Linlin was like, I can't do anything to that guy.

03:20:48.000 Just a gorilla.

03:20:49.000 He's so good.

03:20:52.000 He's really good.

03:20:55.000 Man.

03:20:57.000 That's interesting.

03:20:58.000 He's really good.

03:21:00.000 Like...

03:21:01.000 Like, I would love to see him and Nurmagomedov.

03:21:04.000 Not necessarily in a fight.

03:21:06.000 Just in a wrestling grappling situation.

03:21:08.000 Sambo situation. 0.68

03:21:09.000 I would just love to see that.

03:21:10.000 I don't know.

03:21:11.000 I've never trained with Nurmagomedov.

03:21:13.000 I don't know how good he is.

03:21:15.000 I'm sure he's great because of what I've seen him do.

03:21:18.000 But I would just love to see that.

03:21:20.000 I know his wrestling is probably the best in the UFC right now.

03:21:24.000 So, a guy like that.

03:21:26.000 But I know some really good wrestlers that get destroyed by Marcelo.

03:21:30.000 Yeah, like Ben Askren, like we were talking about in that video with those two rolling.

03:21:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:21:35.000 Well, Marcelo's got that fucking insane squeeze, man. 0.99

03:21:39.000 The guillotine squeeze. 1.00

03:21:41.000 He's got a nasty north-south squeeze.

03:21:44.000 He's got his back takings legendary.

03:21:47.000 He's so good at that arm drag.

03:21:50.000 That arm drag is just...

03:21:51.000 And before he was pulling it off, like, the way he was doing it was really rare to see somebody that specialized on it like that.

03:21:58.000 Where they just specialize on hitting that arm drag and getting to the back.

03:22:01.000 Hitting that arm drag and getting to the back.

03:22:02.000 You know, and he was doing it from butterfly guard.

03:22:04.000 He wasn't doing it like a wrestler.

03:22:07.000 Really interesting guy. 1.00

03:22:10.000 And big-ass giant fucking legs. 1.00

03:22:13.000 Right? 1.00

03:22:13.000 Not big arms. 1.00

03:22:15.000 Like, his arms are kind of normal-sized. 0.92

03:22:17.000 Big-ass giant legs. 0.98

03:22:19.000 Like fat boy legs. 0.98

03:22:21.000 I mean, they're muscled, but they're just like round. 0.88

03:22:23.000 Dude, they're huge.

03:22:24.000 He's all legs.

03:22:26.000 It's really interesting.

03:22:28.000 Like, that is one thing that I think is like super underrated and kind of in all of any sort of combat sports.

03:22:37.000 The size of your legs is so gigantic.

03:22:40.000 Like, the power in your legs, rather.

03:22:42.000 The ability that your legs have.

03:22:43.000 Like, look at Pacquiao's legs.

03:22:46.000 That dude has these giant-ass golf ball or tennis ball calves. 1.00

03:22:51.000 That fucker. 1.00

03:22:52.000 You ever look at Malapet's calves? 1.00

03:22:55.000 He can't wear normal pants.

03:22:58.000 He can't pull it up over his socks. 0.96

03:23:01.000 It's just ridiculous. 0.89

03:23:03.000 Yeah, Sanchai's the same thing. 0.99

03:23:05.000 Big giant-ass calves. 0.98

03:23:11.000 Like, if you go back and think about Tyson, one of the things about Tyson that was so fucking impressive is his legs. 0.99

03:23:17.000 He would leap at you and throw bombs at the same time. 0.94

03:23:21.000 And they're just coming up from the ground.

03:23:23.000 Wham!

03:23:24.000 I mean, there's so much horsepower behind that. 1.00

03:23:28.000 And a lot of that was coming up through those giant ass fucking legs. 1.00

03:23:34.000 You know, really interesting when you think about it from Marcelo, though. 1.00

03:23:38.000 That dude looks like Dustin Poirier.

03:23:40.000 Which guy?

03:23:40.000 Guy in the audience?

03:23:41.000 Yeah.

03:23:43.000 Think about it with Marcello, what's interesting is he's securing you with those legs.

03:23:47.000 Like, when he's taking backs, that's his big thing, right?

03:23:50.000 And in guillotines as well.

03:23:52.000 He's using that incredible leg power to secure you.

03:23:57.000 To secure you and to get you controlled by those legs. 0.99

03:24:01.000 Like you see the way he controls Shaolin on the ground at the end of it?

03:24:04.000 He's just smooshing everything.

03:24:06.000 It's all that power that allows him to get the chokes off better.

03:24:09.000 I feel like it's one of those things where he's figured out just how to use exactly the right amount of muscle in the right direction to control you with his leg.

03:24:21.000 Like using his leg as if it's a hand to grab.

03:24:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

03:24:25.000 But same thing with a specialist like Nurmagomedov.

03:24:28.000 Same thing with a specialist like Damian Maia.

03:24:30.000 I feel like they have that ability to change the little details and use their body the perfect way to make that specific thing work.

03:24:40.000 Yeah, you know the other thing that's interesting about Marcelo is he doesn't utilize any strong person moves.

03:24:47.000 Like he won't do Kimuras. 0.66

03:24:49.000 He thinks Kimuras are a strong person move. 1.00

03:24:52.000 You think he's like grabbing the arm and yanking behind him?

03:24:55.000 He doesn't do those.

03:24:56.000 Or at least he didn't for a long time, and that was his rationale.

03:24:59.000 I mean, he might have changed and went to it now, but I know for the longest time he wasn't interested in those. 1.00

03:25:04.000 He was just interested in putting motherfuckers to sleep. 0.97

03:25:07.000 He was like, hmm, all you have to do is get a hold of that neck, and if I become a specialist in squeezing necks, I'm just going to put everybody to sleep, and I don't need to be messing up your shoulder or anything. 0.99

03:25:18.000 I'll just shut you off.

03:25:20.000 I mean, it's the most def- Like, a guy can tap you and it's very definitive, right?

03:25:24.000 A guy gets you in an arm bar and you tap, it's very definitive.

03:25:27.000 But there's something about the way he climbs off Shaolin when Shaolin's unconscious and he just squo-s him out in seconds.

03:25:34.000 It's the most definitive ending next to- I mean, obviously next to a knockout.

03:25:39.000 Knockout being the most definitive, right?

03:25:41.000 Because it carries the most consequences.

03:25:43.000 Yeah, but I mean, they both put you to sleep.

03:25:46.000 In real life, that's like you're a dead guy. 0.99

03:25:49.000 You're a dead guy. 0.99

03:25:50.000 Exactly. 0.99

03:25:50.000 People think, oh, that's legitimate. 0.99

03:25:53.000 Like, that would kill you. 0.58

03:25:54.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

03:25:55.000 Dead guy.

03:25:56.000 All Marcelo would have to do is keep hanging on for another 30 seconds, and that's a dead guy.

03:26:01.000 Another 30 seconds, and it's over.

03:26:02.000 No referee.

03:26:02.000 It's over.

03:26:03.000 Yeah, I mean, he just climbed.

03:26:04.000 And the crazy thing is, he just did that to a world-class black belt.

03:26:08.000 Yeah.

03:26:09.000 Yeah, it's the kind of thing those people that work for Hillary Clinton, they inject you to put you to sleep. 1.00

03:26:20.000 But when you're out, they can take you somewhere.

03:26:23.000 So when you get knocked out, when you get choked unconscious, it's like, yeah, you're dead.

03:26:27.000 You are at their mercy, absolutely.

03:26:29.000 There's nothing you can do about whatever they wanted to do to you.

03:26:33.000 Why are you going to bring in Hillary Clinton and injecting people with needles? 1.00

03:26:37.000 You're freaking me out, man!

03:26:38.000 We were talking about the Trump thing. 0.99

03:26:41.000 This politics shit's going to get loud. 0.98

03:26:43.000 We talked about the Trump thing, and I just want to put it out there that I'm against them both, so I don't want anybody coming after me. 0.99

03:26:49.000 That's what I had to say first, too.

03:26:51.000 Joe Schilling, what do you think?

03:26:52.000 You know these guys very well.

03:26:53.000 Dustin Jacoby, Simon Marcus.

03:26:54.000 Big step up for Jacoby, though, right?

03:26:57.000 Yeah.

03:26:57.000 Do you think this is the biggest step up for him?

03:26:59.000 I think they already fought once, man.

03:27:02.000 It was a rematch.

03:27:05.000 Here we go.

03:27:07.000 But yeah, Dustin's not...

03:27:09.000 I don't think Dustin's...

03:27:10.000 Who won the first fight?

03:27:11.000 We'll see.

03:27:11.000 I didn't even watch the first fight.

03:27:13.000 Did Simon win?

03:27:14.000 Simon won, yeah.

03:27:16.000 Do you know how he won?

03:27:17.000 I don't.

03:27:20.000 There was the Brazilian guy who KO'd Jacoby with a left hook. 0.94

03:27:25.000 I remember that.

03:27:26.000 Jacoby was like, oh, and first he fought a 205 with Glory and lost like five or six fights.

03:27:33.000 Well, he was fighting MMA for a long time, right?

03:27:35.000 Yeah.

03:27:36.000 And he went to 185. Oh, nice push kick.

03:27:46.000 He's definitely got a lot better as a striker since he's been concentrating entirely on it.

03:27:53.000 So there it is.

03:27:54.000 There's a decision.

03:27:55.000 Simon Marcus won a decision.

03:27:57.000 That was the first fight they had.

03:27:59.000 Yeah, I would say if Jacoby has a best chance of winning this fight now, then they're because of the high altitude.

03:28:08.000 And he's a Colorado guy.

03:28:10.000 Yeah, he lives in Colorado.

03:28:11.000 And then, how much of a fact do you think Simon Mark is just losing by KO to Jason Willness is?

03:28:18.000 Was not that long ago, right?

03:28:20.000 I don't think so.

03:28:21.000 What was it, like two months ago?

03:28:25.000 It couldn't have been more than three.

03:28:27.000 I don't think.

03:28:28.000 And he was out out?

03:28:30.000 He got beat up.

03:28:31.000 They stopped it.

03:28:32.000 He got beat up. 1.00

03:28:33.000 Oh, he was fucked up. 1.00

03:28:34.000 He got hurt. 1.00

03:28:35.000 And he got dropped more than once.

03:28:37.000 He got dropped more than once.

03:28:39.000 Six weeks ago.

03:28:40.000 Wow.

03:28:41.000 Dude, that was six weeks ago.

03:28:45.000 He's flinching a lot, man.

03:28:47.000 Yeah, he doesn't look that comfortable.

03:28:50.000 And Dustin is a big guy.

03:28:54.000 I feel like he's gonna get knocked out. 0.99

03:28:55.000 I'll tell you what, in the first round, in the wellness fight, he looked like a fucking world beater. 0.99

03:29:00.000 He really did. 0.99

03:29:01.000 And, oh, we just got tagged.

03:29:03.000 But he looked like a world beater when you fought you in the first round, too. 0.95

03:29:06.000 I mean, he's got a first gear that's pretty fucking sensational. 0.68

03:29:11.000 Oh, I mean, he's a traditional Muay Thai guy. 0.85

03:29:15.000 So all of his fights, he's got 49 fights that are all Muay Thai.

03:29:18.000 And, like, where he beat me the first two times is he's, like, incredibly strong and good in the clinch and will, like, zap you and hold you and...

03:29:26.000 Oh! 0.60

03:29:27.000 Oh, nice right hand.

03:29:29.000 Oh, he just tagged.

03:29:30.000 So, um, the clinch is really...

03:29:33.000 The fact that it's removed from glory really hurts him.

03:29:35.000 Yeah.

03:29:36.000 And his...

03:29:36.000 Well, it forces him to have to fight.

03:29:40.000 That's really interesting.

03:29:41.000 He used to, uh...

03:29:45.000 His cardio looked better because he had more time to clinch now when it's full go and throw more combinations.

03:29:50.000 Well, that's interesting too because he has to completely change his style.

03:29:54.000 Like, his cardio is sort of based on the style of being able to hold on whenever you want to.

03:29:59.000 Like, that's why he was able to get away with those explosive movements and not conserve energy, right?

03:30:05.000 Because he could explode like that and they could clinch up when he needed that time to clinch up.

03:30:10.000 And he's very strong.

03:30:12.000 Right.

03:30:13.000 That's interesting.

03:30:16.000 Do you prefer this, or do you prefer Muay Thai?

03:30:18.000 I prefer the glory rules.

03:30:20.000 Really?

03:30:20.000 For myself.

03:30:21.000 If you had to make the ultimate rules, though, what would you say?

03:30:24.000 I would do glory rules with elbows.

03:30:26.000 Ah, I like the way you're thinking.

03:30:28.000 But what about the clinch?

03:30:29.000 I think the clinch is...

03:30:34.000 The way you see it, the way that you like the clinch is the way that it is here.

03:30:39.000 You just don't realize it.

03:30:40.000 If I showed you Simon and I a second fight where he held on to me for two minutes out of every round up against the ropes and nothing was happening and I was just sitting there getting squeezed and I'm talking to Steve Mazzagotti like, hey, nothing's happening here.

03:30:55.000 You wouldn't like it that much.

03:30:57.000 Dustin might have broke his arm, man.

03:31:01.000 They're gonna stop the fight.

03:31:03.000 Looks like he broke his arm.

03:31:05.000 With a kick?

03:31:06.000 Yep.

03:31:06.000 Yeah, they just squoze his arm.

03:31:08.000 And he's in pain.

03:31:11.000 Now he's getting off the stool. 0.99

03:31:13.000 His left arm is fucked up, man. 0.99

03:31:15.000 What is Simon Marcus... 1.00

03:31:17.000 What is going on here?

03:31:18.000 Doctor.

03:31:19.000 The doctor's gonna come over and look at...

03:31:20.000 This fight's over.

03:31:21.000 He's got a broken arm.

03:31:22.000 Where?

03:31:23.000 If you can't...

03:31:24.000 Look, the fight is over.

03:31:25.000 Right?

03:31:26.000 What are they gonna do?

03:31:27.000 Are they gonna say okay?

03:31:28.000 Go in there?

03:31:28.000 I mean...

03:31:29.000 I didn't know it's broken, Joe.

03:31:31.000 Well, he's in pain, right?

03:31:33.000 But here's the thing.

03:31:34.000 No, that's what I'm saying.

03:31:36.000 Why wouldn't they just have already started the round?

03:31:38.000 Like, Simon had done some damage, right?

03:31:40.000 Wouldn't the idea be that either you were capable of starting at the beginning of the round, or the fight's over?

03:31:46.000 Yeah, that's it.

03:31:47.000 No?

03:31:48.000 Yeah.

03:31:49.000 It's broken.

03:31:53.000 They're still deciding.

03:31:57.000 Yeah, he's saying we've got to stop the fight.

03:31:58.000 It must be broken.

03:31:59.000 He could feel that it's broken.

03:32:00.000 But my question is, how do you start the round and then have the guy, have him get checked out like that?

03:32:07.000 Like, if he can't go on, like if he can't continue, he can't continue.

03:32:12.000 It seems like if he decided, like, I can go on two minutes later, It's not really a foul that was committed. 0.98

03:32:19.000 It's not like he kicked him in the balls. 0.85

03:32:21.000 Like in the Henderson-Bisping fight, that was a big deal. 0.98

03:32:24.000 Bisping kicked Henderson in the balls.

03:32:25.000 Henderson took a gang of time. 0.99

03:32:27.000 He's like, good, I'm going to take a break.

03:32:29.000 And it was a smart move to do.

03:32:31.000 But that made sense.

03:32:32.000 He deserved that. 1.00

03:32:33.000 He got kicked in the balls. 0.99

03:32:35.000 Simon didn't do anything wrong. 0.98

03:32:37.000 He landed kicks, and he hurt the dude's arm.

03:32:40.000 And then they're like, well, how bad is he hurt?

03:32:42.000 Can he go on?

03:32:43.000 Well, if he can't go on at the beginning of the round, Then the fight should be stopped, right?

03:32:49.000 Yeah, but did he ask for help or did he get up off of the stool ready to fight and then the referee decided to call the doctor?

03:32:55.000 I would have to be real clear.

03:32:57.000 I don't know.

03:32:58.000 I think when they were grabbing his arm in the corner, I could have sworn he was telling them it was broken.

03:33:06.000 Yeah.

03:33:07.000 Yeah.

03:33:24.000 He hasn't badly hurt, the round ends, and then Romero stays on his stool for a long time.

03:33:29.000 He stayed on his stool for the full minute, and then stayed on his stool at the end of the round, and he just stayed there and looked at John McCarthy, and they cleared out the corner.

03:33:37.000 It took, like, a long time.

03:33:39.000 I forget, like, what all the shenanigans were that was going on, but it was clear that he had been hurt, and then time was of the essence, and they didn't start the round on time.

03:33:47.000 So a lot of people thought, well, the fight should have been stopped right there.

03:33:50.000 I remember.

03:33:50.000 I was on that side of the coin.

03:33:52.000 I was too.

03:33:53.000 I think it's very important, especially when you're talking about someone being hurt.

03:33:57.000 If you hurt a guy, it's very important that you have to allow a fighter to capitalize on that.

03:34:03.000 And giving someone an extended round, just because they're just sitting down there.

03:34:08.000 Powerful T.J. Dillashaw.

03:34:11.000 What is that thing on his neck?

03:34:13.000 Somebody talked him into wearing that?

03:34:15.000 Think that's his idea?

03:34:16.000 That dog tag?

03:34:18.000 That glitterified dog tag?

03:34:21.000 Is that like...

03:34:22.000 You don't like it?

03:34:23.000 Well, they get those at Forever 21. They're in that glass cabinet.

03:34:29.000 I have a feeling TJ's didn't get it at Forever 21. No, his is way classier.

03:34:34.000 Way classier.

03:34:36.000 I'm just kidding.

03:34:37.000 It's probably super expensive.

03:34:40.000 What's that stuff they put on?

03:34:41.000 You quit, you break an arm.

03:34:43.000 So if you kickbox a match and you got your arm broken in the second round, you're stopping, you're going to tell the ref my arm.

03:34:53.000 I'm not telling the ref.

03:34:54.000 If I'm good to go, I'm going.

03:34:57.000 Are you good to go?

03:34:58.000 I mean, you will know, right?

03:35:00.000 You will know how bad it hurts.

03:35:02.000 Would it depend entirely upon where it's broken?

03:35:06.000 What if it was broken up here?

03:35:08.000 Like when Minotauro fought Frank Mir and snapped the upper arm?

03:35:13.000 That's a little different than the forearm, isn't it?

03:35:16.000 Yeah, that's much different than the forearm.

03:35:18.000 You can't even use that arm.

03:35:20.000 At all, yeah.

03:35:21.000 If it's the forearm, you can at least move it out of the way and you could stand like you're gonna throw it.

03:35:26.000 Yeah.

03:35:27.000 It's almost like your hand.

03:35:29.000 Yeah, I don't know.

03:35:31.000 You break that upper arm.

03:35:33.000 That's a different beast.

03:35:34.000 The further up it goes, the worse it gets for fighting, man.

03:35:37.000 You break your hands, you can still fight.

03:35:39.000 You break your forearm, you may be able to fight.

03:35:42.000 Right, right.

03:35:43.000 Or you chip it or crack it.

03:35:44.000 You may be able, but you start getting up here, in your bicep area.

03:35:48.000 Have you ever seen Ian McCall's hands?

03:35:51.000 Yeah, he's broke his hand like a hundred times.

03:35:54.000 Something insane. 0.99

03:35:55.000 Every fucking year it's a broken hand. 1.00

03:35:57.000 He can't make a fist. 0.99

03:35:58.000 When he makes a fist, it's like this.

03:36:00.000 His one knuckle is always poking out.

03:36:02.000 It doesn't close right.

03:36:03.000 And he's had a bunch of operations.

03:36:06.000 So they're trying to figure out what had happened.

03:36:08.000 So somehow it was blocking a kick.

03:36:14.000 Do they think they isolated it?

03:36:15.000 Or are they just showing you highlights here?

03:36:18.000 Looks like they're just showing highlights.

03:36:19.000 They have no idea.

03:36:20.000 Yeah, I mean, who knows?

03:36:21.000 They have no idea what's going on here, Joe. 0.99

03:36:23.000 But Simon Marcus kicks fucking hard. 0.99

03:36:25.000 Right there. 0.99

03:36:25.000 That's probably right it. 0.99

03:36:26.000 That's probably it.

03:36:27.000 Started shaking it.

03:36:29.000 Yep.

03:36:30.000 Yeah, and the way he's holding it.

03:36:31.000 Mm-hmm.

03:36:32.000 Yeah.

03:36:32.000 The way he's holding it.

03:36:33.000 That was it.

03:36:33.000 It was that kick, so they nailed it.

03:36:36.000 Yeah, man, you can't let a guy fight with a fucking broken arm if you know it's a broken arm. 0.99

03:36:41.000 Like, if you want to hide it, Eve Edwards, you can hide it. 0.99

03:36:44.000 But they have to stop it once it gets brought to the doctor's attention.

03:36:47.000 Yeah, absolutely.

03:36:48.000 Sean Yarbrough broke Stephen Richards' forearm with a body kick.

03:36:54.000 And it was like one line fight, like one of the first line fights.

03:36:57.000 Snapped his forearm, and Steven Richards went out and beat him for the decision in the final.

03:37:03.000 He just kept clenching him up and dumping him and shit, but he broke his arm, and you could see, and they're holding it after the fight, and you could see a huge dent. 0.95

03:37:10.000 Oh my god. 0.98

03:37:12.000 It's like Jamie Varner when he broke his ankle.

03:37:15.000 Yeah.

03:37:17.000 That should have been stopped.

03:37:18.000 That should have been stopped.

03:37:19.000 That was obvious.

03:37:21.000 You can't do anything about that, but if that would have been his forearm, he would have continued it.

03:37:25.000 Yeah.

03:37:26.000 He went back to his corner, right?

03:37:28.000 Did that happen in the first round?

03:37:30.000 That happened in the first.

03:37:30.000 He went back to his corner and that's when they called it.

03:37:33.000 But that happened midway through the first.

03:37:35.000 Or maybe the second.

03:37:36.000 They didn't call it.

03:37:36.000 He got knocked out.

03:37:38.000 He got knocked out.

03:37:39.000 Yeah.

03:37:40.000 Wait, so he came back out?

03:37:42.000 Yeah.

03:37:43.000 I'm pretty sure he came back out.

03:37:45.000 That's right.

03:37:46.000 He did get knocked out.

03:37:47.000 Yeah.

03:37:47.000 And I think it was...

03:37:49.000 Was it Trujillo?

03:37:53.000 Yeah.

03:37:54.000 Abel Trujillo.

03:37:57.000 No.

03:37:57.000 Who's that?

03:37:58.000 Go back up so I can see who he's fighting?

03:38:00.000 Who is that?

03:38:03.000 No.

03:38:07.000 Is that it?

03:38:09.000 Broken ankle.

03:38:11.000 No.

03:38:11.000 I don't think this is what I'm thinking of.

03:38:16.000 Huh.

03:38:16.000 Did he break his ankle more than once?

03:38:18.000 What was the fight where he was in a crazy slugfest with somebody?

03:38:22.000 Yeah, no, that was after the Reebok deal.

03:38:24.000 Oh, it was James Krause.

03:38:25.000 That's who it is right there.

03:38:26.000 Yeah.

03:38:27.000 Oh, I remember this.

03:38:28.000 Oh, yeah, that's right.

03:38:32.000 It just gave out on him.

03:38:34.000 That's right, that's right, that's right.

03:38:36.000 Now I remember.

03:38:37.000 So I think I confused that and his fight with Abel Trujillo.

03:38:40.000 His fight with Abel Trujillo was a slobber knocker, and Trujillo wound up winning by knockout.

03:38:45.000 That's what that was.

03:38:47.000 I confabulated the two of them.

03:38:49.000 And he went down the same way that he went down right there.

03:38:52.000 Yes.

03:38:53.000 Yeah, when he got hit with that hook, he was making that same move.

03:38:58.000 So it looks like, that's weird.

03:39:01.000 So I had the two memories confused in my mind.

03:39:07.000 Powerful glory, live from Denver.

03:39:11.000 Oh yeah, here's Abel Trujillo and him.

03:39:14.000 Boom.

03:39:17.000 Boom, right there.

03:39:18.000 Yep, exactly the same. 0.98

03:39:20.000 You were fucking right, Eve Edwards. 0.98

03:39:22.000 You figured it out, man. 0.99

03:39:24.000 Boom, cut. 1.00

03:39:25.000 Lord, that's a fucking perfect punch. 0.99

03:39:30.000 Man, if I was in my prime right now and I was in the UFC, I would have to be at 45. These dudes are so much bigger than we were 10 years ago. 0.99

03:39:41.000 How do you feel about that?

03:39:42.000 What's your feelings about weight cutting?

03:39:44.000 Am I interviewing you?

03:39:48.000 I'm not a journalist.

03:39:50.000 Do you approve of it?

03:39:53.000 Do you think that we'd all be better off if everybody abandoned it?

03:39:56.000 Do you think that it's a smart thing?

03:39:59.000 Am I asking too many questions?

03:40:01.000 No, I don't disapprove of it, but I think we would all be better off in the long run.

03:40:05.000 The fighters would be better off in the long run by not having to do it.

03:40:09.000 There are some guys, for me, it wasn't miserable, but there are some guys that it is.

03:40:15.000 And even for me, I think I'm still taking some...

03:40:18.000 I'm burning the oil at both ends.

03:40:20.000 I'm sorry, burning the candle at both ends at that point.

03:40:23.000 But it's not as hard as, say, some guys like Gleason Tebow or guys that are much bigger in the weight class.

03:40:31.000 I think in the long run, you are putting a toll on your body.

03:40:35.000 You're going to have to pay that tax at some point.

03:40:39.000 But that could come when you're 50 or, you know, I don't know, whatever.

03:40:45.000 Yeah, it seems that fighting itself is such an incredibly difficult task on your body.

03:40:51.000 Why would you want to put it through the task of massive dehydration 24 hours before fighting?

03:40:57.000 It just doesn't make any sense.

03:40:58.000 I know that everybody does it to gain a competitive advantage, but wouldn't it be better if it was just all even, even weight, like, honest? 1.00

03:41:06.000 Like, fuck this competitive advantage shit. 1.00

03:41:08.000 If everybody just... 1.00

03:41:10.000 First of all, there should be more options, right?

03:41:11.000 I think we all agree on that.

03:41:12.000 I think that's how you solve the problem.

03:41:13.000 We can't have a 170, then a 185, then a 205, then a 265 and expect people to not cut weight. 0.99

03:41:19.000 They're going to fucking cut weight, 100%. 0.98

03:41:21.000 Your options are fight gorillas at 265 or you weigh 230. Are we going to deal with fucking Shane Carwin on top of you or something like that? 0.99

03:41:31.000 And you're a 230 pounder? 1.00

03:41:32.000 Fuck that. 1.00

03:41:33.000 You've got to make that 205. You're going to suck it up. 1.00

03:41:35.000 Because there should be a weight class every 10 pounds. 0.86

03:41:38.000 And I think with fighters, like, what really matters, what everybody cares about, is who the best guys fight.

03:41:45.000 Like, the best guys fighting the best guys.

03:41:47.000 You know, whether Nurmagomedov and Conor McGregor had a belt or not, right?

03:41:51.000 If Nurmagomedov didn't have the 155-pound belt and Conor McGregor didn't have the 155-pound belt, it would be worth more to watch those two go at it at 155 pounds than it would for me to watch maybe Eddie Alvarez defend it against somebody else.

03:42:08.000 I just want to see, if it's not Conor or not some high-level guy, I'd be more interested in seeing the high-level guys who don't have the belt.

03:42:17.000 But if you were to make more weight classes, then you'd get super fights.

03:42:21.000 Yes!

03:42:22.000 It's all good, right?

03:42:23.000 Yeah.

03:42:24.000 You get the 160-pound champion versus the 150-pound champion, and it's like, this is a fight that people want to see because it's not that much of a difference.

03:42:33.000 You know, they gave people a little bit of a break by letting fighters weigh in early now.

03:42:37.000 You can weigh in between like 8 and 10 a.m.

03:42:39.000 And that way, by the time the weigh-in ceremony goes on at like 4 p.m., you're fully hydrated.

03:42:44.000 You look good.

03:42:45.000 You don't look like death anymore.

03:42:47.000 Like Conor when he fought Chad Mendes.

03:42:49.000 Remember that?

03:42:49.000 Yeah.

03:42:50.000 Last time he made 45, you're like, what the fuck? 1.00

03:42:53.000 Like, he looks like a dying person. 0.99

03:42:56.000 And then he's going to fight for a world title 24 hours from now. 0.98

03:43:00.000 That's a ridiculous practice. 0.97

03:43:02.000 It's ridiculous. 0.99

03:43:03.000 Yeah. 0.94

03:43:03.000 That was my thing. 0.94

03:43:05.000 I'm not huge for the weight class, but I was decency sized for the weight class.

03:43:08.000 So I could get down to like 153 the day of the weigh-in.

03:43:13.000 So I would cut to about 153 and then put about two and a half pounds of food in my body.

03:43:20.000 Food and water.

03:43:21.000 And that's why at weigh-ins, I was happy.

03:43:24.000 I was never miserable.

03:43:25.000 I was never sucking it up.

03:43:27.000 I mean, sometimes my mouth is dry.

03:43:28.000 That's smart.

03:43:28.000 You overcut and then balance it out.

03:43:32.000 Interesting.

03:43:33.000 But I was small enough to do that.

03:43:37.000 Usually those last three pounds are like death.

03:43:40.000 I wake up fight morning, I'm sorry, weigh in morning at like 158 maybe.

03:43:45.000 If I'm heavy, I'm 158. Most of the time I wake up at 56, 57. Well, I mean, I think you were lucky in the sense that you were in that, your body fit right in there with that weight class.

03:43:58.000 If you were a little bit bigger, maybe it would be an issue.

03:44:00.000 Like, maybe what if you were a little bit bigger but not quite big enough for 170?

03:44:04.000 Yeah.

03:44:05.000 You know?

03:44:06.000 Yeah.

03:44:06.000 Like a Diego Sanchez.

03:44:08.000 Diego is kind of a tweener, right?

03:44:10.000 He was a guy that really struggled to make 55. I remember the first time I saw him when he made 55, I'm pretty sure it was in England.

03:44:16.000 And I remember going, Jesus, like, he looked so drawn out at the weigh-in.

03:44:21.000 He looked terrible.

03:44:22.000 And then he got it balanced out.

03:44:24.000 He figured out how to do it.

03:44:25.000 But I don't think, ideally, his weight would be 55. I think his ideal weight would probably be like 65 or 60, you know, somewhere in that range.

03:44:33.000 I think if they went 50, 150, 160, or 155, 65, 75, 85, I mean, they could do it that way easily.

03:44:40.000 But 10 pounds, I think, is the right number.

03:44:45.000 So you think the 4 or 5 pounds of boxing is too small of a weight?

03:44:50.000 It's interesting because I think it's more of a factor in MMA than it is in boxing.

03:44:54.000 The weight, right?

03:44:55.000 Yeah.

03:44:55.000 And boxing has more options.

03:44:57.000 Right.

03:44:58.000 So it's kind of...

03:44:59.000 Kind of interesting in that way.

03:45:01.000 But, obviously, boxing has just got way more history.

03:45:05.000 You know, it's been around way longer, and people were smaller back then, too.

03:45:09.000 So it's not like you can eliminate slapsy-maxy... 1.00

03:45:12.000 What was he?

03:45:13.000 Is he a light heavyweight?

03:45:14.000 No.

03:45:15.000 Billy Kahn was a light heavyweight, right?

03:45:18.000 I forget when they changed it, but heavyweight was 154 pounds and up way back in the day.

03:45:24.000 Really?

03:45:25.000 Yeah, more than 154 was heavyweight in the early 20s and 30s.

03:45:33.000 Whoa! 0.71

03:45:35.000 Even in California, I think it's over 175 or something like that.

03:45:39.000 It's supposed to be.

03:45:40.000 I'm trying to think of, like, classic...

03:45:42.000 You can technically box as a heavyweight.

03:45:44.000 Over what?

03:45:45.000 176, I think.

03:45:46.000 Wow, that's crazy.

03:45:49.000 Remember when Roy Jones Jr. went up to heavyweight and beat John Ruiz? 1.00

03:45:53.000 Holy shit! 0.99

03:45:55.000 Remember that? 0.99

03:45:56.000 Yeah, you know he's still fighting?

03:45:57.000 Yeah.

03:45:58.000 Makes me sad.

03:46:00.000 Yeah.

03:46:00.000 I love that dude.

03:46:02.000 When I was a kid, he was like...

03:46:04.000 He was Superman.

03:46:05.000 Roy Jones Jr. would fight rounds without getting hit.

03:46:08.000 Like, nobody ever did that before.

03:46:11.000 He was so good.

03:46:13.000 You ever heard of Willy Papp?

03:46:15.000 Yes, of course.

03:46:16.000 You heard about...

03:46:17.000 Yeah, he won a round without actually throwing a punch.

03:46:19.000 That's awesome.

03:46:21.000 But in the history of CompuBox...

03:46:23.000 He said he was going to do it and then he went and did it.

03:46:26.000 He said it between rounds and then he went and did it.

03:46:29.000 You just couldn't imagine anybody at that time in particular having better footwork.

03:46:34.000 It's amazing where boxing went, because if you watch some of the old Jack Johnson stuff, you watch how they used to hold their hands differently, they threw punches differently, and then you see some Jack Dempsey like,

03:46:50.000 oh, okay, well this is starting to become a little bit more like modern boxing. 0.96

03:46:53.000 This is like some savage fucking... 1.00

03:46:57.000 Railroad hobo dude figured out how to fuck people up. 1.00

03:47:01.000 You know? 1.00

03:47:02.000 I mean, Jack Dempsey was a scary cat. 0.99

03:47:05.000 When you said some savage hobo dude that doesn't know how to fuck people up, my first thing in my brain that hit me was Crazy Horse. 0.93

03:47:14.000 If it wasn't for MMA, Crazy Horse would be that dude at the 7-Eleven that's outside that you think he's on something. 1.00

03:47:21.000 But he will fuck you up. 1.00

03:47:23.000 He will fuck you up quick, too. 1.00

03:47:26.000 Crazy Horse King Crackalack. 1.00

03:47:28.000 Did you see the fight he just had, I think it was a Ryzen?

03:47:31.000 Yeah.

03:47:31.000 One Punch.

03:47:33.000 Nah, he was a beast. 0.95

03:47:34.000 And still is.

03:47:36.000 He's a fun dude.

03:47:37.000 I hung out with him one night.

03:47:38.000 We watched K-1 together.

03:47:39.000 We were in the front row.

03:47:40.000 Him and his girlfriend, me, and...

03:47:43.000 I can't remember who was with him.

03:47:44.000 I think it was Eddie Bravo.

03:47:45.000 Oh, it was Eddie Bravo.

03:47:47.000 And we watched K-1 in L.A. Remember when K-1 came to L.A. and they had MMA fights?

03:47:53.000 There it is.

03:47:54.000 Charles Crazy Horse Bennett.

03:47:55.000 There he is, rather.

03:47:57.000 He is a special dude. 1.00

03:48:00.000 Some serious fucking power. 1.00

03:48:01.000 Had some real problems outside the cage, though. 0.99

03:48:05.000 Just was involved in quite a few altercations.

03:48:09.000 Yeah.

03:48:09.000 So, this was...

03:48:11.000 Was this before or after he had that brawl with Vandalay?

03:48:15.000 This was last week.

03:48:16.000 Oh, this was last week.

03:48:17.000 Two weeks ago.

03:48:17.000 Oh, this was that fight.

03:48:18.000 I don't know which fight this was.

03:48:20.000 And then he went crazy.

03:48:21.000 He went after Vandalay.

03:48:23.000 Jesus. 1.00

03:48:28.000 He's crazy. 1.00

03:48:29.000 He's crazy for sure. 1.00

03:48:31.000 Yeah, he's crazy. 0.99

03:48:32.000 Well, he apparently had had a street fight with Vanderlei. 0.97

03:48:37.000 It was in the locker room at Pride.

03:48:38.000 Yeah, in the locker room at Pride.

03:48:41.000 Marcelo, who was it, put him to sleep?

03:48:43.000 Cristiano Marcelo put him to sleep in a triangle in a street fight.

03:48:46.000 And apparently he woke up and then went over to Vanderlei and knocked out Colts. 0.99

03:48:53.000 I don't know what the fuck happened. 0.98

03:48:55.000 And then they jumped him and beat him up. 0.99

03:48:57.000 And Vandele went out after he got knocked out cold and then went out and fought.

03:49:04.000 So he fought in pride.

03:49:05.000 Was it Vandele or Crazy Horse who went out and fought that night?

03:49:08.000 No, I think they both fought that night.

03:49:11.000 I don't remember whether Crazy Horse fought after he knocked out Vandele, but I'm almost positive that Vandele fought after getting KO'd.

03:49:19.000 At least that was...

03:49:20.000 Depending on who you're asking.

03:49:22.000 Right.

03:49:22.000 The problem with those pride stories is I definitely wasn't there, but it's pretty much agreed upon that Crazy Horse in some way punched Vandele Silva in the face, and it was not a good thing.

03:49:33.000 And it's pretty much been proven that Cristiano Marcelo choked Crazy Horse out in a triangle.

03:49:39.000 Got him in a triangle.

03:49:39.000 I've seen the video.

03:49:40.000 He puts him to sleep.

03:49:41.000 For sure.

03:49:42.000 So those two things, we know one for sure happened, and the other one, it's pretty much known that they had some sort of a fist fight, and the Crazy Horse punched him. 1.00

03:49:51.000 And Crazy Horse keeps saying, I'll knock you out, just like I did the last time, motherfucker. 0.99

03:49:55.000 You know what happened. 1.00

03:49:56.000 Yeah, you know what happened. 1.00

03:49:57.000 I knocked you the fuck out. 0.99

03:49:58.000 So that seems to indicate that that's what took place. 0.99

03:50:02.000 I don't know.

03:50:03.000 But Vanderlei went out and fought after that. 0.99

03:50:06.000 That's fucking crazy. 1.00

03:50:07.000 If he really did get knocked out, that is fucking crazy. 1.00

03:50:11.000 Then he went out and he fought after that. 0.99

03:50:13.000 In Japan, you can do anything.

03:50:14.000 Yeah, this is the fight, Jamie.

03:50:15.000 You found the street fight.

03:50:18.000 So this is when they go after each other. 0.98

03:50:22.000 And Cristiano Marcel winds up on the ground with crazy horses trying to fucking ground and pound him. 0.92

03:50:30.000 You've never seen this, Joe Schilling? 0.98

03:50:31.000 Oh, I've seen it, yeah.

03:50:33.000 This fight?

03:50:34.000 Yeah, for sure.

03:50:34.000 Yeah, this was proof that jiu-jitsu works real good when he got jeans on.

03:50:40.000 It's hard to get away from those jeans.

03:50:42.000 Oh, but he gets free!

03:50:43.000 And he goes right back into it.

03:50:44.000 Yep.

03:50:45.000 Looking for some more ground and power.

03:50:46.000 This is going to be a good kickboxing fight.

03:50:48.000 We should probably watch this.

03:50:49.000 Because this is the finals. 0.99

03:50:51.000 Stylebender fucked up. 0.99

03:50:52.000 He changed his shorts. 1.00

03:50:53.000 Those fucking shorts were dope. 1.00

03:50:54.000 Dick. 1.00

03:50:55.000 Why do you think he did that? 0.96

03:50:57.000 Sponsors, probably.

03:50:58.000 Yeah, probably.

03:50:58.000 Smart, but the other ones were doper.

03:51:01.000 Well, they were more flashy, but this you could read the sponsors better.

03:51:04.000 Do you think that's why he wore them first?

03:51:05.000 Just to be sure that they got their TV time?

03:51:08.000 They were like a...

03:51:09.000 Oh! 0.60

03:51:10.000 Fell down.

03:51:14.000 And who's the gentleman he's fighting again?

03:51:16.000 How do you say his name?

03:51:17.000 I don't know.

03:51:17.000 He's the guy who looks like Chris Camozzi's brother.

03:51:19.000 I don't know.

03:51:21.000 What's his name, Jamie?

03:51:23.000 Buzari or something?

03:51:25.000 Buzari?

03:51:27.000 Belgaru.

03:51:28.000 Belgaru.

03:51:30.000 Garoy?

03:51:31.000 Belgaroy?

03:51:32.000 Give us a little volume so we can hear homeboy's name.

03:51:38.000 This is, uh...

03:51:46.000 ESPN 3. Have you ever watched ESPN 3 before?

03:51:49.000 Nope.

03:51:50.000 I didn't know they had kickboxing on ESPN at all.

03:51:55.000 Yeah.

03:51:58.000 ESPN is?

03:52:00.000 Okay, Sunday afternoon.

03:52:02.000 Oh, nice right hand over the top.

03:52:05.000 I'm waiting for this dude's name.

03:52:20.000 Hey, Joe Schilling, how come kickboxing is so much more popular in Europe?

03:52:25.000 I think the promoters promote it better, I guess, and the TV deals might be different there.

03:52:30.000 I don't really know.

03:52:31.000 Isn't it kind of crazy that it just took off so big in Holland, it's big in France, it's big in a lot of places?

03:52:37.000 Yeah, it is.

03:52:39.000 It's really frustrating.

03:52:42.000 But it's just way bigger over there.

03:52:43.000 And in Holland, it's like their national sport.

03:52:45.000 The American sports entertainment market is kind of self-contained, though.

03:52:49.000 Yeah.

03:52:50.000 You know?

03:52:50.000 Yeah.

03:52:51.000 It is kind of, right?

03:52:52.000 Right.

03:52:52.000 But don't you...

03:52:53.000 I mean, look, obviously, we're attracted to this, so I'm trying to solve this puzzle.

03:52:57.000 If I was an investor, which I'm clearly not...

03:53:00.000 Well, I just think it comes down to the promoter.

03:53:03.000 It's like, this is...

03:53:04.000 I'm enjoying these fights, but that arena's empty.

03:53:08.000 Is it?

03:53:08.000 Yeah.

03:53:10.000 It's like three rows of seeds.

03:53:12.000 That's it?

03:53:13.000 Yeah.

03:53:13.000 Oh, wow.

03:53:14.000 You know?

03:53:15.000 Yeah.

03:53:15.000 Wow, that's crazy.

03:53:19.000 Oh my god, it's crazy how deserted it is. 1.00

03:53:21.000 People make these stupid, these bad decisions and they don't promote it. 0.99

03:53:27.000 As I was saying earlier, it's like you have the, you know, us wanting to watch it, you have the quality. 1.00

03:53:35.000 These are good fights.

03:53:36.000 Yeah, very good fights.

03:53:37.000 What's missing?

03:53:38.000 Why isn't it taking off?

03:53:39.000 You have a TV deal.

03:53:40.000 Here's why it hasn't taken off.

03:53:42.000 I think I just figured it out.

03:53:44.000 Remember on some of those street fight videos, Masvidal used to fight back in the day, and they would say, no kicks, no kicks, right?

03:53:53.000 Yeah.

03:53:54.000 People would complain about that.

03:53:56.000 I think, and now people are just now starting to accept it because of MMA or whatever, but I think boxing history in the U.S. for so long, and America being such a self-contained sports and entertainment industry...

03:54:10.000 So self-contained in the sports and entertainment industry that people just don't want to see kicks.

03:54:16.000 It's foreign to most Americans.

03:54:18.000 It's not what we're used to here on this side of the world for the most part.

03:54:24.000 Think about that.

03:54:26.000 I think there's probably something to that.

03:54:28.000 There's probably something to that, but what about Bruce Lee?

03:54:33.000 But it's cool to go watch his movies, so it's cool to go watch Jackie Chan's movies, but...

03:54:37.000 Bruce Lee, Van Dam, every UFC hero of all time.

03:54:41.000 Like, it's not that, it's just promoting.

03:54:43.000 I think it's just bad.

03:54:44.000 People, they get these opportunities to make mistakes and they don't do a good job doing...

03:54:49.000 Their only job to promote it.

03:54:51.000 Well, I think it's really hard to promote, man.

03:54:53.000 I don't think it's necessarily that simple.

03:54:55.000 I see what you're talking about, though, as far as the size of this arena in particular.

03:54:59.000 When have you ever seen a Glory advertisement?

03:55:02.000 Like a commercial?

03:55:03.000 I don't know.

03:55:04.000 Ever.

03:55:05.000 Glory or kickboxing in America needs to do something.

03:55:09.000 Oh! 0.60

03:55:10.000 Oh, he just got tagged.

03:55:11.000 Stylebender was standing in front of him just trying to move his head, and he got clipped.

03:55:15.000 He got timed and clipped with the right hand.

03:55:18.000 He got hit hard.

03:55:19.000 Oh, and he went high.

03:55:20.000 Beautiful kick.

03:55:22.000 Oh, my goodness.

03:55:25.000 Belgaro.

03:55:26.000 Belgaro.

03:55:26.000 There we go.

03:55:27.000 We got his name.

03:55:28.000 This is awesome.

03:55:31.000 Belgaro's no joke.

03:55:32.000 He's a big, tall, skinny dude, too.

03:55:40.000 When you see a guy like Semi Schilt, that's when you realize how much, like, when utilized correctly, reach plays a factor.

03:55:49.000 He's got his timing down.

03:55:52.000 He's slipping that right hand often, but he's trying to come back with that left hook.

03:55:57.000 Belgaru.

03:55:58.000 Belgaru.

03:55:59.000 Is that how you say it, Jamie?

03:56:01.000 Belgaru.

03:56:02.000 Belgari.

03:56:03.000 Belgari.

03:56:05.000 Belgari.

03:56:06.000 Rii? 0.98

03:56:07.000 O-U-I, like we.

03:56:09.000 Rii. 1.00

03:56:10.000 Okay.

03:56:12.000 He's from Tunisia.

03:56:14.000 They probably don't even use our letters.

03:56:17.000 Do they?

03:56:18.000 They probably got some cryptic, Celtic-looking speech.

03:56:22.000 What does Tunisia use for language?

03:56:26.000 Tunisian? 0.79

03:56:27.000 Tunisian? 0.79

03:56:28.000 What does it look like?

03:56:29.000 Does it look like Russian?

03:56:32.000 I'm just guessing. 1.00

03:56:33.000 Like, Russian to me is the coolest shit ever. 0.99

03:56:35.000 Because it's like you're reading some Forgotten Scrolls. 1.00

03:56:38.000 You know?

03:56:39.000 It's almost like it has characters.

03:56:42.000 What is it, Jamie?

03:56:43.000 Arabic.

03:56:43.000 Oh, it's Arabic.

03:56:44.000 Okay.

03:56:44.000 So their writing is in Arabic as well?

03:56:48.000 Interesting.

03:56:51.000 Yeah, Arabic and Hebrew.

03:56:53.000 Hebrew is another one. 1.00

03:56:54.000 That's a cool-looking language, right?

03:56:56.000 It looks like...

03:56:57.000 They also speak French, apparently, which might be where his last name comes from.

03:57:00.000 Oh, that makes sense.

03:57:02.000 Belgari.

03:57:04.000 Interesting.

03:57:07.000 The world is so much more diverse than the 818. Man, you say that, but when I came here from Texas, I thought Texas was pretty diverse, and it is in its own right, but in Texas, I felt like there were...

03:57:22.000 In Houston, specifically, there is a part of Houston that's a Vietnamese community, and there's a part of Houston that's a Hispanic community, and then you have black and white people.

03:57:34.000 But, like, you come here, and it's like, there's Armenians, and there's Russians, and there's Vietnamese, and Koreans, and Chinese, and Japanese, and, like, everybody's here.

03:57:43.000 This is really diverse compared to what it's like in Texas. 0.99

03:57:47.000 See that shit? 1.00

03:57:48.000 There you get cracked. 1.00

03:57:51.000 I hope they show that again.

03:57:54.000 It was a beautiful right hand. 1.00

03:58:02.000 Do you feel like, like in particular, like you were saying about the Confederate flags, you feel like Houston and Texas in general still has just a little too much old stupid shit going on there in terms of racism and mentality and... 0.99

03:58:18.000 Yeah, and it's, it's, it's not... 0.99

03:58:23.000 It's weird because it doesn't exist everywhere.

03:58:27.000 Right.

03:58:27.000 And I'm sure it's kind of even hidden in some places, but it's hidden everywhere at some point.

03:58:34.000 But in Houston...

03:58:38.000 Inside the city, it's pretty diverse as far as those communities that I just mentioned.

03:58:43.000 Those people are pretty well represented.

03:58:45.000 But then when you get on the outskirts of town, and there's a lot of outskirts.

03:58:51.000 Because here, I mean, everybody's in a small area.

03:58:56.000 It's like, I drive 10 miles here and it takes me 30 minutes.

03:59:00.000 But in Houston, 10 miles takes me 10 minutes.

03:59:03.000 Mmm, I see.

03:59:04.000 There's so many more people here in such a smaller area.

03:59:08.000 And also it gets rural real quick.

03:59:11.000 Yeah, in Texas.

03:59:12.000 Yeah, for sure.

03:59:13.000 It gets wild pig rural.

03:59:17.000 If you get on a highway in Texas, in any direction, say you start in the center of Houston, you get on a highway with no traffic, any direction in 30 minutes, you're not in the city anymore.

03:59:33.000 You're where houses are far apart and they're huge.

03:59:39.000 And there's ranches.

03:59:41.000 People have giant swaths of land.

03:59:43.000 Probably 45 minutes.

03:59:45.000 Wild pigs running around.

03:59:48.000 Yeah, Texas is a trip.

03:59:49.000 It really is.

03:59:50.000 It's one of the weirdest states.

03:59:51.000 It's one of my favorite, though.

03:59:53.000 It's such a wild, crazy place.

03:59:55.000 But, yeah, it's very unique in that aspect, like how big it is, too.

04:00:01.000 It's big.

04:00:02.000 We got 85 mile an hour highway.

04:00:07.000 Remember when 55 was the limit?

04:00:09.000 Yep. 0.99

04:00:09.000 What in the fuck was going on with people? 0.99

04:00:13.000 55. That was crazy. 1.00

04:00:17.000 That is crazy. 1.00

04:00:18.000 It was just so foolish. 1.00

04:00:19.000 It's like, come on. 0.99

04:00:20.000 We're not talking about, like, a Model T. You know these cars are safe and competent and above speeds.

04:00:25.000 Why is the speed limit 55 and my car says it can go 140? 1.00

04:00:29.000 Yeah, it's just stupid. 0.99

04:00:30.000 I mean, not that you should be going 140, but you know what? 1.00

04:00:33.000 That's an interesting argument about the Autobahn, man.

04:00:36.000 I mean, I don't necessarily know it's a bad one, either. 0.97

04:00:39.000 Like, let adults do whatever the fuck they want. 0.95

04:00:41.000 You know, just have good etiquette. 0.99

04:00:43.000 Move over.

04:00:44.000 When there's a faster car coming behind you?

04:00:46.000 What's the statistics on that?

04:00:49.000 I think Autobahn is actually safer.

04:00:51.000 Yeah, I would bet.

04:00:52.000 People get the fuck out of the way. 1.00

04:00:54.000 Like, there's some bad shit going on. 0.99

04:00:55.000 They need to get out of the way. 0.99

04:00:56.000 That's the other thing.

04:00:56.000 I saw something a couple days ago.

04:00:58.000 I don't remember where I saw it.

04:00:59.000 If I can find it, I'll send it to you.

04:01:01.000 But they were talking about how people get over out of the fast lane.

04:01:07.000 On the Autobahn.

04:01:08.000 People don't stay in the fast lane.

04:01:09.000 They just use that lane to pass, and then they get out of that lane.

04:01:12.000 That's what it should be.

04:01:14.000 That's what it should be.

04:01:15.000 That's the passing lane, right?

04:01:16.000 That's what it's supposed to be. 1.00

04:01:18.000 L.A., they just have total disregard for that shit. 1.00

04:01:21.000 I've never been to a place that has more disregard for the left lane than L.A. Really? 1.00

04:01:26.000 Yeah, nobody gets out of the left lane.

04:01:28.000 I watch people get mad.

04:01:29.000 People pull up behind people and watch them get pissed. 1.00

04:01:31.000 What the fuck? 1.00

04:01:32.000 What the fuck? 1.00

04:01:32.000 Oh, you must be new. 1.00

04:01:34.000 You don't know.

04:01:37.000 Because in Boston, people, first of all, they have those small roads.

04:01:41.000 Like in Boston, you could be on a highway and there's two lanes on each side. 1.00

04:01:44.000 There's some stupid little rinky-dink highways that were invented back when people rode buggies and horses and shit. 1.00

04:01:50.000 They just paved them. 1.00

04:01:51.000 Yeah, they just paved over those fucking things. 0.99

04:01:53.000 That's how you gotta get to the Cape. 1.00

04:01:55.000 To get to Cape Cod, you gotta take these stupid ass roads that are like two lanes long in some spots. 1.00

04:02:01.000 Or two lanes wide in some spots. 1.00

04:02:02.000 So when someone's coming behind you, there's no options.

04:02:05.000 Just get over.

04:02:06.000 You know, so people usually respect that left lane.

04:02:10.000 New York has a lot of that, too, man.

04:02:12.000 There's a lot of rinky-dink streets that you wouldn't believe on the way to the airport when you leave New York.

04:02:18.000 And you've got to go through, what is it, Queens or...

04:02:22.000 What is it that you've got to go through?

04:02:24.000 Brooklyn?

04:02:25.000 Depends on which airport, right?

04:02:27.000 LaGuardia and JFK. Either way, you leave Manhattan, those towns that you have to go through, there's sometimes you're driving on these little tiny-ass fucking super narrow roads, and you're like, this is it? 0.97

04:02:39.000 This is all these fucking people are going to the airport? 0.99

04:02:41.000 Like, this is crazy. 0.99

04:02:42.000 But you get used to that 405 in LA, where it's just lanes on this side, lanes on that side.

04:02:51.000 I lived in Houston, man.

04:02:53.000 I-10 in Houston, in the Katy area.

04:02:56.000 There's five lanes.

04:03:08.000 We're good to go.

04:03:27.000 So there are stoplights at every intersection on this feeder road that's next to the highway.

04:03:32.000 It's a 35 mile an hour street, but it feeds right onto the highway.

04:03:37.000 There's a picture of it right there.

04:03:39.000 Yeah.

04:03:39.000 So those little roads on the side, those roads feed onto the highway.

04:03:44.000 When you exit, you exit off onto the side like that.

04:03:47.000 That's actually a really good idea.

04:03:49.000 I don't...

04:03:50.000 I don't...

04:03:50.000 I think...

04:03:51.000 Do you see how much road...

04:03:53.000 That's 13 lanes of road.

04:03:55.000 Or six, 14 lanes of highway.

04:03:57.000 More the better.

04:03:58.000 More the better.

04:03:59.000 I'm not into waiting.

04:04:02.000 I think we should just make it all highway. 0.98

04:04:04.000 Why are we fucking around? 0.97

04:04:05.000 Right. 0.99

04:04:05.000 We need to have floating houses and everything else is highway. 0.99

04:04:09.000 You need to shoot right up to your floating house.

04:04:12.000 It's...

04:04:12.000 What point in time do we tell people we can't build any more houses?

04:04:18.000 I think about things like that.

04:04:20.000 If we survive, if our species survives for another couple hundred years, yeah, there's going to be no more trees or plants.

04:04:29.000 Everything is going to be house.

04:04:31.000 Then we have to build up.

04:04:33.000 Well, there's a lot of space right now, but there's so much more people now than there's ever been before, like by a long shot.

04:04:40.000 Yeah, think about the increase in people over the last...

04:04:44.000 Just a few years.

04:04:46.000 Over the last century.

04:04:47.000 Yeah, I mean, I think...

04:04:49.000 We were talking about it once where it was 1970. There was two billion people on the planet.

04:04:55.000 Was that what it was?

04:04:55.000 No.

04:04:56.000 What is it, Jamie?

04:04:56.000 I looked something up while we were talking about this the other day.

04:04:58.000 There's some people say that we could be on a decline right now, too. 1.00

04:05:01.000 Those people are assholes. 1.00

04:05:02.000 Smarter, younger people are not having babies. 1.00

04:05:05.000 Whatever.

04:05:06.000 I've heard that argument before. 0.99

04:05:08.000 I think it's horseshit. 0.99

04:05:09.000 Because the dummies are having 15, 20 kids that make up for those smart people. 0.99

04:05:13.000 They know declines going on.

04:05:14.000 There might be a decline in smart people. 0.65

04:05:16.000 In my New York borough, I've noticed in my co-op, there's a decrease in smart people having babies. 0.58

04:05:23.000 Everybody should be allowed to make one copy. 0.68

04:05:25.000 Yeah, there's a lot of copies out there of some really shitty original work.

04:05:30.000 That's part of the problem.

04:05:32.000 Like, just the sheer genetic tools that you had to work with were not the best.

04:05:40.000 Okay, here it is.

04:05:41.000 Japan.

04:05:42.000 Well, Japan has a giant issue.

04:05:44.000 No, they do.

04:05:45.000 They have a weird issue.

04:05:47.000 They have an issue of a lot of people that are choosing to not get married, not have sex.

04:05:53.000 They have people that are choosing to stay at home, like really, as they're getting older.

04:05:58.000 Massive population decline.

04:06:00.000 Wow.

04:06:02.000 I don't want to hear the decline.

04:06:04.000 I want to know, what was the population in 1970?

04:06:09.000 World.

04:06:10.000 World population, 1970. So US was 200 million, so it's 300 million 50 now?

04:06:19.000 350 million now?

04:06:21.000 Billion?

04:06:22.000 So 3.7 billion in 1970. So since 1970, the world has doubled.

04:06:28.000 The world doubled and the United States has gone up by 50%, right?

04:06:35.000 So I guess growth is what's slowing down.

04:06:37.000 Wait, so if the world is double, oh, 50%, not 50% of the world doubling, okay.

04:06:41.000 Right, 50% of what the United States was.

04:06:43.000 The United States was 200 million, and now it's 300 million plus, right?

04:06:49.000 That's 50%, isn't it?

04:06:54.000 Yeah.

04:06:55.000 That's a lot.

04:06:56.000 But the world has doubled.

04:06:58.000 So the world went up 100%. 0.98

04:06:59.000 So we are at a slower pace than some of those poor fools that live in other countries. 0.99

04:07:08.000 Those poor people not blessed to be American. 0.94

04:07:11.000 After this decision, I need an audio pause so my tape doesn't stop here.

04:07:15.000 Oh.

04:07:16.000 But something might happen with the TriCaster.

04:07:17.000 I can't.

04:07:18.000 Something might happen with it?

04:07:19.000 It says I'm running out of space.

04:07:21.000 What does that mean?

04:07:21.000 I don't know.

04:07:22.000 I don't know if that means it's going to cut the whole field.

04:07:24.000 Israel Adesanya.

04:07:25.000 I don't need the space, but...

04:07:26.000 Okay.

04:07:27.000 Well, let's pause now.

04:07:28.000 Yeah, just only like five seconds.

04:07:29.000 Okay.

04:07:30.000 We'll be right back.

04:07:32.000 Is YouTube still up?

04:07:33.000 Yeah.

04:07:34.000 Okay.

04:07:35.000 So what's wrong with the TriCaster?

04:07:42.000 It says I'm running out of space.

04:07:44.000 It says there's less than two gigs of space left right now.

04:07:47.000 On the TriCaster?

04:07:48.000 Because I record and stream at the same time, just in case something's wrong.

04:07:52.000 So the recording is going to stop.

04:07:53.000 I don't know if the stream's going to stop.

04:07:55.000 But you don't need that recording anyway, right?

04:07:57.000 Yeah.

04:07:58.000 I don't know if it's going to shut the whole machine off or not, though.

04:08:00.000 Oh.

04:08:01.000 I don't think it will.

04:08:01.000 That's not good.

04:08:03.000 Do your best, young Jamie.

04:08:05.000 I'm just getting ready in case something happens.

04:08:17.000 We're not talking right now.

04:08:21.000 Israel Adesanya's got his nice cup there.

04:08:25.000 Won his trophy.

04:08:26.000 Are we back?

04:08:26.000 Back up?

04:08:27.000 Oh, okay.

04:08:29.000 So yeah, man.

04:08:30.000 The world population has gone up double.

04:08:33.000 And the U.S. population has gone up 100 million.

04:08:37.000 At one point in time, if you think 1970, 3.7 million, and now more than 7 million, what is that going to be 50 years from now?

04:08:46.000 Is that going to be double?

04:08:48.000 Is it going to be double again?

04:08:49.000 Is it 14 then?

04:08:51.000 What does that mean?

04:08:52.000 Oh, that's the world.

04:08:53.000 So that's billions.

04:08:55.000 Yeah, and look what they project by 2050. They project 9 billion.

04:08:59.000 Yeah, the world's billions.

04:09:01.000 It's interesting.

04:09:02.000 So between 1950 and 2050, in 100 years, it goes up 7 billion.

04:09:09.000 Good lord.

04:09:10.000 Spread out.

04:09:11.000 There's that stat that says that the whole population could, like, fit in Texas.

04:09:15.000 Have you ever heard that? 1.00

04:09:16.000 Yeah, those people are assholes. 1.00

04:09:17.000 Anybody who says that is an asshole. 1.00

04:09:20.000 Spots in Texas that you can't live in. 1.00

04:09:22.000 There's just Gila monsters and fucking cactuses and shit. 1.00

04:09:26.000 If you had the fucking, all the population, you tried to fit them in Texas, they wound up eating each other. 1.00

04:09:32.000 There'd be no food. 0.99

04:09:33.000 Like, yeah, yeah, you could kind of fit them physically.

04:09:36.000 Yeah.

04:09:37.000 But not like resource-wise. 1.00

04:09:41.000 Texas is a good place to go though if the shit hits the fan. 0.99

04:09:44.000 It's hot. 1.00

04:09:45.000 It's hot, but there's a lot of people that have figured out how to be off the grid.

04:09:49.000 Or mostly off the grid there.

04:09:52.000 You'd get a thousand square feet per person if we got 6.9 billion people in Texas, which there's still 500 million people left over.

04:10:01.000 So what does that mean?

04:10:02.000 That you could get a thousand square foot apartment.

04:10:06.000 Yeah, but that doesn't mean...

04:10:07.000 It's just not even an apartment.

04:10:07.000 I think it's like literal feet on the ground, like a personal space of a thousand.

04:10:12.000 No way everyone can fit in Texas.

04:10:15.000 Okay, so they wouldn't be able to.

04:10:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

04:10:17.000 So the physical size of the people would not be able to fit.

04:10:21.000 There's too many people to fit.

04:10:23.000 Like, we would overwhelm the entire state if we just stood there. 0.99

04:10:26.000 Yeah, and there's so many fat people. 1.00

04:10:28.000 Look at that fucking staff. 1.00

04:10:29.000 There's gonna be a lot of fat people there, too. 1.00

04:10:30.000 I was confused as to what you're saying.

04:10:32.000 It takes up space.

04:10:32.000 The landmass of Texas is 268,820 square miles, 7,494,000...

04:10:40.000 Oh, 7 billion.

04:10:41.000 What is that?

04:10:42.000 Is that even billion?

04:10:42.000 No, that's not billion.

04:10:43.000 What is that?

04:10:44.000 Trillion?

04:10:45.000 7 trillion.

04:10:49.000 494,271,488,000 square feet.

04:10:54.000 Whoa.

04:10:57.000 Interesting.

04:10:58.000 So no.

04:11:00.000 Close, but not quite. 1.00

04:11:04.000 That's a lot of fucking people, man. 1.00

04:11:06.000 Gotta feed all those fucks. 1.00

04:11:08.000 They all need food. 1.00

04:11:10.000 And water. 1.00

04:11:12.000 And a place to shit. 1.00

04:11:13.000 You know? 1.00

04:11:14.000 He used the rest of the continental United States for farming.

04:11:18.000 Yeah.

04:11:19.000 So everybody's just standing and they go out to the garden and they come back and stand. 0.98

04:11:23.000 They go out and they shit in the hole of death and they go back and stand. 0.99

04:11:28.000 They just have like a pipe that runs through. 1.00

04:11:31.000 Everybody has their... 0.99

04:11:32.000 All seven billion people on the planet shitting into this one tube. 0.99

04:11:39.000 And out of that tube mixes with our... 1.00

04:11:44.000 Terrible pollution shit monster is born Crawls out kills us all That's uh Ironically, that's what did in a goat son That's one of the things that did in a lot of civilizations is their hygiene You know a lot of civilizations had serious problems like with their sewage Like figuring out how to get their shit away from everything. 1.00

04:12:09.000 That's going on in India now, isn't it? 1.00

04:12:11.000 I think so.

04:12:12.000 Yeah Man, I couldn't imagine living in a place where you could probably...

04:12:19.000 I mean, is it like Mumbai or cities like that when you're not in...

04:12:24.000 I mean, I guess when you're out where some of the poorer people in that country or city live.

04:12:30.000 They don't have indoor plumbing or...

04:12:33.000 No, there's people that are living really poor, for sure.

04:12:37.000 And that's just one part of the world, right?

04:12:39.000 I think it'd be pretty humbling if any of us ever went there and spent some time there.

04:12:44.000 So, I was thinking about this the other day when I saw some relief aid going to Haiti, right?

04:12:50.000 And it's like, yeah, something bad just happened there, but there are places that are in that same situation without something bad happening and there's really no aid going to them.

04:13:02.000 Like, is it only a good thing to help people when a tragedy happens?

04:13:07.000 If the capability is still there?

04:13:10.000 It's a good point.

04:13:11.000 It's a really good point.

04:13:13.000 It's a very good point.

04:13:14.000 Yeah, it seems like people wait until everything goes terrible before they step in to help.

04:13:19.000 Yeah.

04:13:20.000 Right.

04:13:20.000 But those people, I mean, they were still suffering from a hurricane a couple years ago.

04:13:24.000 Yeah.

04:13:26.000 You know, it's almost like we're getting close to the point where, you know, we see all these GoFundMes and all these campaigns like that.

04:13:37.000 It seems like if someone had figured out a way to attach...

04:13:43.000 A purchasing app like amazon.com or something like that and attach an option to donate to specific charities like you could set that up and they would just round it off like say if you're buying something that's three dollars and fifty cents they round it off to four dollars and just do that with everybody and no matter what it would be it would round up To the next dollar.

04:14:07.000 And so you just take all that money from all these purchases.

04:14:10.000 Think about how many millions of dollars a day must be generated by a purchasing app like Amazon.com. 0.97

04:14:16.000 And if you just round it off to the next dollar and donated all that money, think about how much crazy shit could get done. 0.92

04:14:24.000 I mean, the sheer amount of...

04:14:26.000 If everybody agreed to do that...

04:14:28.000 Look, everybody hates pennies. 1.00

04:14:29.000 Fuck nickels. 1.00

04:14:30.000 I don't like nickels. 1.00

04:14:31.000 I'm not into dimes.

04:14:32.000 They're annoying.

04:14:33.000 They clink around your pocket. 0.99

04:14:34.000 You can't really buy shit with them, right? 0.99

04:14:38.000 Round it off. 0.99

04:14:39.000 Round it all off.

04:14:41.000 Round everything off. 0.85

04:14:41.000 If we all just agreed as a society that no matter what the money is, it's $4.64, round that bitch off to $5, and that money goes into the be-a-good-human pool. 0.85

04:14:55.000 How many orders does Amazon get per day? 0.73

04:14:57.000 36.8 million items.

04:15:02.000 Yeah, but there's some people that if their thing costs $3.17, that $0.83 means a lot to them and they don't want to give it up.

04:15:15.000 They've got to wake up.

04:15:17.000 We're all in this together.

04:15:18.000 If you can afford to buy that new toothbrush, that electric toothbrush with the Darth Vader sounds, you can afford to give that extra $0.30 to those kids in Bangladesh. 0.99

04:15:28.000 We're talking pennies here.

04:15:29.000 We're literally talking cents.

04:15:30.000 I don't think those cents do mean a lot to the individual, but I think they mean a lot collectively.

04:15:35.000 I think when you're looking at millions of orders, that could be an insane force of good.

04:15:40.000 Like, if Amazon wanted to get people to love them again...

04:15:44.000 Sometimes people like hear about it like the people that work at Amazon Apparently it's like it's insane like if you're working in the factory You got like a timer that goes off when someone's when someone's order gets placed You have like a clipboard like one of those iPad things and there's like some sort of a timer on it And you got to run to where the item is and get it and get it in a box quickly like it's it's like super Tight ship they run over there They get everybody to love them again.

04:16:10.000 It sounds like something that a company like that would have automated.

04:16:15.000 Yeah.

04:16:15.000 So, like, somebody places in the water, this robot goes and grabs it and...

04:16:19.000 No.

04:16:20.000 No, you gotta go get stuff.

04:16:22.000 Huh.

04:16:22.000 Because people have written...

04:16:23.000 I mean, maybe some of it's automated, but I know that people...

04:16:26.000 Yeah, I always think it's like a...

04:16:26.000 Like a big claw arms.

04:16:29.000 They want to do it with drones. 0.93

04:16:32.000 Really? 0.99

04:16:32.000 Yeah, they want to send you shit with drones. 0.99

04:16:34.000 Oh, that's right. 1.00

04:16:34.000 Oh, mail shit, yeah. 1.00

04:16:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

04:16:36.000 How about them apples?

04:16:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

04:16:38.000 Show up at your house with a fucking UFO that's carrying your new boots. 1.00

04:16:43.000 How many people with hunting rifles just... 1.00

04:16:47.000 Roll them out of the sky.

04:16:48.000 Just for fun. 1.00

04:16:50.000 For fuck yeah, for fun, man. 1.00

04:16:52.000 I had to get free stuff. 0.99

04:16:54.000 Well, some people get super bummed out if people fly drones over their head.

04:16:59.000 You know? 0.99

04:17:00.000 Especially if you're a young lady and you like to give the old tits a melanin blast. 1.00

04:17:05.000 You know? 0.99

04:17:07.000 Nobody can see in your yard.

04:17:09.000 There's a fence. 0.98

04:17:10.000 I'm just gonna lie here and tan my breasts. 0.95

04:17:13.000 And you hear... 0.97

04:17:14.000 You know, like every teenager...

04:17:21.000 With an iPhone in it. 1.00

04:17:22.000 Yeah, those fucks searching for tits. 1.00

04:17:26.000 Especially in the warmth of the summer. 1.00

04:17:29.000 But I mean the warmth of the summer. 0.98

04:17:30.000 It was fucking 93 degrees today. 0.98

04:17:32.000 It was crazy hot. 0.99

04:17:33.000 Dude, this place today was brutal, too.

04:17:36.000 We're about to see an awesome fight, and we haven't even talked about it.

04:17:40.000 Nikki Holtzkin, and how do you pronounce Gronhart's name?

04:17:44.000 Myrthel?

04:17:45.000 Myrthel.

04:17:46.000 Myrthel?

04:17:47.000 Myrthel.

04:17:48.000 Myrthel Gronhart.

04:17:49.000 First fight, super close.

04:17:51.000 Myrthel, wasn't that the lady from Sanford? 1.00

04:17:54.000 No.

04:17:55.000 Who did Fred Sanford used to scream for?

04:17:58.000 Oh.

04:17:59.000 Oh, Ethel. 0.96

04:17:59.000 Was it Ethel? 0.96

04:18:00.000 No, no, no.

04:18:01.000 Elizabeth.

04:18:02.000 Elizabeth, I'm coming to join you, honey.

04:18:04.000 That's right.

04:18:06.000 Murphal sounds like one of those only time you need.

04:18:08.000 You remember people got mad at Rashad after he knocked out Chuck because he did that?

04:18:12.000 They did?

04:18:13.000 Yeah, people got mad at him.

04:18:15.000 Yeah.

04:18:16.000 Rashad is the nicest guy in the world.

04:18:18.000 Super cool.

04:18:19.000 Super cool guy.

04:18:20.000 When people would get bummed out about him or get shitty about him, I'm like, what?

04:18:23.000 Really?

04:18:25.000 I feel the same way about Cormier.

04:18:27.000 When people boo Cormier, I'm like, really?

04:18:30.000 Are you not seeing what I'm seeing?

04:18:33.000 How could you boo that guy? 0.92

04:18:34.000 I don't get it.

04:18:36.000 I don't know AI. I know people don't like him.

04:18:38.000 I don't get it.

04:18:40.000 I don't get it.

04:18:43.000 I just can't say it anymore.

04:18:46.000 You shop Amazon Gives.

04:18:47.000 They already have the same thing?

04:18:49.000 Oh, what is this?

04:18:51.000 Amazon donates 0.5% of the price of your eligible Amazon Smile purchases to the charitable organization of your choice.

04:18:59.000 Amazon Smile is the same Amazon you know, same product, same prices, same service.

04:19:04.000 Support your charitable organizations by starting your shopping at smile.amazon.com.

04:19:08.000 Oh, that's cool.

04:19:09.000 That's nice.

04:19:10.000 And so you can donate to the, so it has a red cross there, and you can select other charities, Nature Conservator, Operation Smile.

04:19:17.000 Nice.

04:19:18.000 Oh, that's cool.

04:19:21.000 That's nice.

04:19:21.000 But then, who is auditing those charities?

04:19:25.000 Yeah, man, that's a problem.

04:19:27.000 That's a problem.

04:19:29.000 We were going over that one podcast.

04:19:32.000 We were trying to figure out how much of your actual donation goes to the charity and how much goes to fees and the people that work there, getting paid and the rent and all the...

04:19:44.000 Overhead.

04:19:45.000 Yeah, all the overhead.

04:19:46.000 It's not a lot.

04:19:48.000 It's like there's a business of charity, and the people that work for those charities, they get paid well.

04:19:53.000 You know, and they should.

04:19:54.000 T-Bow is a big dude.

04:19:57.000 Yeah.

04:19:59.000 Ronhard just tagged Nicky Holskin with a couple good shots.

04:20:05.000 We're back up now.

04:20:06.000 We're back up?

04:20:12.000 Oof.

04:20:13.000 See, this to me is so much more interesting than boxing. 0.99

04:20:16.000 The way these guys are switch kicking each other and fucking each other with this. 0.75

04:20:20.000 Like this is like really technical striking all around, up and down. 0.97

04:20:25.000 Like when you get to this level, this to me is like there's so much more going on.

04:20:32.000 And it's so much more likely to have something going on than if it's just boxing.

04:20:38.000 You know, there's just way more boring rounds, in my opinion at least, in boxing than there is in high-level kickboxing.

04:20:47.000 We back up, Jamie?

04:20:49.000 We back up, Eve Edwards.

04:20:51.000 Awesome.

04:20:53.000 That's where he had him in trouble.

04:20:54.000 Yeah.

04:20:55.000 Yeah, he tagged him.

04:20:56.000 He hit him there again.

04:20:58.000 He hit him a couple times really hard.

04:21:00.000 And you can see Holtzkin taking some big, deep breaths.

04:21:05.000 It's quite a little exchange there.

04:21:10.000 This guy's a savage.

04:21:12.000 How do you say Mike Pessignier? 0.85

04:21:14.000 How do you say his last name?

04:21:16.000 These are all these tough names.

04:21:18.000 Mike Pessignier.

04:21:20.000 Pessignier?

04:21:21.000 Pessignier.

04:21:23.000 Boy, that guy trained a bunch of savages.

04:21:25.000 Oh yeah.

04:21:26.000 Like I used to, I don't actually, it's weird how he used to bring Melvin out.

04:21:32.000 Yeah, dude, like on a chain, like a dog.

04:21:34.000 Remember that?

04:21:35.000 Yep, Melvin.

04:21:37.000 Melvin loved it.

04:21:38.000 I think that was his idea.

04:21:38.000 Oh yeah, he was getting unchained.

04:21:41.000 Dude, Melvin was crazy back in the day.

04:21:45.000 I mean, you talk about a guy who lived by the sword, died by the sword.

04:21:51.000 He started the whole Gladiator shorts thing, huh?

04:21:57.000 Yeah.

04:21:58.000 Not everybody does that.

04:21:59.000 Not every chick has that. 1.00

04:22:01.000 Every chick.

04:22:02.000 Well, why is it that so many Thai shorts bind up on the legs?

04:22:08.000 Like you always see Thai guys like rolling their pants up, rolling their shorts up. 1.00

04:22:12.000 I think that happens more so like that's like their thing because in Thailand it's like 180 degrees.

04:22:18.000 They usually have like these really cheap like the old Thais Mai nylon shorts.

04:22:23.000 And so that becomes like your habit or like your tick when you're pulling your pants up like that all the time.

04:22:27.000 I see.

04:22:28.000 But it's also like insanely hot and humid over there.

04:22:33.000 And then that kind of becomes like your style, just to pull your pant leg up or whatever.

04:22:40.000 It just seems to me like, particularly for MMA, there's no benefit in wearing shorts.

04:22:45.000 I feel like tights give you way more benefit because no one's grabbing them.

04:22:51.000 Like, there are moments in fights where dudes get their shorts grabbed and those moments, they pay off for the guy who grabbed the shorts.

04:22:57.000 It's happened before.

04:22:59.000 Guys have gotten takedowns, they've defended takedowns, they maybe wouldn't have if it wasn't for a short grab.

04:23:04.000 Yeah.

04:23:05.000 They've controlled positions for brief moments with a short grab, and then the referee didn't see it, or the referee did see it, and they said, stop grabbing the shorts, but they had already did it.

04:23:13.000 All that could be eliminated with tights. 0.99

04:23:15.000 But then if you're wearing tights, and you get caught in a kimura, how do you grab your own shorts?

04:23:20.000 You don't.

04:23:21.000 You don't.

04:23:22.000 Don't get caught in a kimura?

04:23:23.000 Don't get caught in a kimura. 1.00

04:23:24.000 You grab your dick. 1.00

04:23:26.000 Just reach down and fully latch on to your cup. 1.00

04:23:30.000 And it's myrtle, I believe.

04:23:33.000 Myrtle.

04:23:33.000 Myrtle growing heart.

04:23:37.000 That's the only time where shorts would help you, though.

04:23:40.000 You're right.

04:23:40.000 Grabbing your pants to defend a Kimura.

04:23:44.000 It's kind of weird that you can do that.

04:23:45.000 You can grab your own shorts. 0.99

04:23:47.000 Yeah, what the fuck is that? 0.99

04:23:48.000 You can grab your own shorts to defend yourself? 0.99

04:23:50.000 Yeah.

04:23:50.000 That seems weird, doesn't it?

04:23:52.000 Nope.

04:23:52.000 I don't think so.

04:23:53.000 Should you be able to grab your shorts to choke a guy? 1.00

04:23:55.000 Like, if you wrap your leg around a guy's neck, right?

04:23:58.000 And then you reach behind, like, the back of his head, and you almost, like, Ezekiel choke your own pants and choke him with your own shorts?

04:24:06.000 Can you do that?

04:24:08.000 I don't...

04:24:09.000 I can't imagine the position, but I don't see why.

04:24:14.000 It seems like somebody should have come up with that already.

04:24:16.000 I just don't see how you get your arm...

04:24:18.000 I guess...

04:24:39.000 I bet you it's legal.

04:24:42.000 Um, I know one thing I've seen dudes do is they finish chokes by holding onto their own gloves.

04:24:49.000 Yeah.

04:24:49.000 Like, they've got a hole of a choke, and they're literally got a handle, like, underneath where your tape is.

04:24:55.000 And you can cinch up a choke with that handle, and it's...

04:24:58.000 It's very effective.

04:25:00.000 Is that legal?

04:25:00.000 Because it's your own hand?

04:25:01.000 I don't know if it's legal still.

04:25:03.000 I don't know if it's legal now.

04:25:04.000 I should know it's legal.

04:25:05.000 I should know this.

04:25:06.000 I should know this.

04:25:07.000 Let's find out.

04:25:08.000 Jamie, is it legal to choke someone in MMA while holding onto your own glove?

04:25:14.000 Because you definitely hold your glove if you're doing a guillotine, like a lot of guys do a guillotine like this, and they clamp down on the glove, and they do it this way.

04:25:23.000 But I think the issue is in grabbing inside your glove.

04:25:26.000 Because then it's like you've got a leather handle.

04:25:29.000 If you can get all your fingers in there, That's a really good grip.

04:25:34.000 Yeah, but I still don't see why it wouldn't be legal.

04:25:37.000 I guess you could get your fingers in here.

04:25:38.000 How do you argue that?

04:25:39.000 Yeah, you could, for sure.

04:25:40.000 You can get your fingers in that way and they wouldn't even be able to see it.

04:25:42.000 Yeah.

04:25:43.000 Yeah.

04:25:44.000 Yeah, you could do the top of your hand.

04:25:47.000 It's an interesting argument.

04:25:49.000 You know, I just don't think you should be able to grab clothes, period.

04:25:52.000 Like, anybody.

04:25:53.000 You, him, no one grabs clothes.

04:25:56.000 Don't be grabbing clothes, dude.

04:25:57.000 Don't be grabbing clothes, bro.

04:25:58.000 Or, we'll let him fight with a gi on. 0.97

04:26:00.000 Yeah.

04:26:02.000 You keep grabbing clothes and everyone's going to be fighting in tights. 0.98

04:26:05.000 Dude, it was awesome back in the day to see Coise Gracie with a fucking gi on, go in there and just wrap guys up, drag them down, strangle them. 1.00

04:26:15.000 No denying it was awesome. 0.99

04:26:17.000 It was different, that's for sure. 0.99

04:26:19.000 Fuck yeah it was. 0.99

04:26:20.000 I watched that first, because back then I was doing traditional Kung Fu, so the first guy I wanted to see win was Jason DeLucia. 0.99

04:26:28.000 Oh yeah, man.

04:26:29.000 Did you ever see the street fight that they had in the Gracie Dojo War series with DeLucia and Hoist?

04:26:34.000 I feel like I saw that.

04:26:36.000 Yeah.

04:26:37.000 Once.

04:26:37.000 It was this grainy old VHS copy.

04:26:40.000 Yeah, DeLucia was, you know, he knew how to fight, he just didn't know how to defend against Jiu Jitsu, and Hoist mangled him.

04:26:48.000 That was before the UFC, wasn't it?

04:26:50.000 Yep, and then they fought in the UFC and then Hoist armbarred him.

04:26:53.000 So Hoist had already fought him in a dojo war first and just demolished him.

04:26:59.000 Do you remember dojo storms?

04:27:01.000 Yeah, dude.

04:27:03.000 Those were all real.

04:27:04.000 Those happened.

04:27:05.000 Did you ever take part in any?

04:27:07.000 I didn't take part in a dojo storm I took part in having to deal with guys that came over from other schools They wanted to like test themselves like in most of them were there's a lot of them. 0.79

04:27:16.000 They're just delusional and crazy It's a lot of people that came to martial arts schools seemed to be nuts.

04:27:22.000 Yeah, you know Yeah, did you ever see that video? 0.99

04:27:25.000 It's a really disturbing one We played it a couple of weeks ago of this guy who was a karate student karate teacher in Connecticut He was also a cop And him and his students beat the fuck out of this homeless guy.

04:27:38.000 Like, they brought the guy in, and the guy, like, was, he was just a crazy person. 0.98

04:27:42.000 He was saying he knew karate, and he was throwing, like, crazy kicks and shit. 0.96

04:27:45.000 And so they had, like, essentially a fight to the death. 0.99

04:27:48.000 The black guy, right? 0.79

04:27:49.000 Yes. 0.98

04:27:50.000 Yeah, but like, so I didn't know because I thought, oh, this looks ridiculous. 1.00

04:27:54.000 But then when the guy was actually trying to kill him, he was like doing really well with his fucking made-up shit. 0.99

04:27:59.000 Well, the guy that he was fighting... 1.00

04:28:01.000 I was like, maybe he is a black belt.

04:28:02.000 Maybe this is kung fu. 0.92

04:28:04.000 He probably knew how to throw a few kicks here and there, but the other guy, I mean, it wasn't long before he was on his back and the other guy was stomping his head.

04:28:12.000 Yeah.

04:28:13.000 I mean, it wasn't like a five-minute fight or anything. 0.99

04:28:15.000 He threw some flippy shit, but eventually the guy beat the shit out of him. 1.00

04:28:19.000 But the point is that, like, that was a crazy person. 1.00

04:28:24.000 They almost beat that guy to death. 0.57

04:28:26.000 When they're dragging him away, you see the blood from his head as they're dragging him away.

04:28:30.000 There was a lot of that going on in martial arts schools.

04:28:34.000 But that was older than the 90s.

04:28:37.000 That was old, right?

04:28:38.000 Yeah, I think that was the 80s.

04:28:39.000 Yeah.

04:28:40.000 Yeah, there was no MMA then.

04:28:43.000 It was NHB. I mean, there wasn't even NHB then.

04:28:47.000 We had Hickson in, and Hickson was telling us the stories of the old Luta Libre rivalries between the Jiu-Jitsu guys and the Luta Libre guys.

04:28:56.000 He would go there, and there'd be guys waiting.

04:28:58.000 Yeah, it is.

04:28:59.000 Josh Thompson against Pat Healy.

04:29:02.000 Yep.

04:29:02.000 Huh.

04:29:03.000 Yeah, I remember bringing it up.

04:29:07.000 Very smart.

04:29:08.000 Smart way to seal up a choke, if it's legal.

04:29:12.000 But Hickson was talking about these crazy dojo wars.

04:29:15.000 If you ever listen to that podcast, if somebody wants to hear a good jiu-jitsu podcast from a master, just having a conversation with the master, like Hickson, he's not just the master, but a real pioneer, you know?

04:29:27.000 Yeah.

04:29:28.000 A real pioneer of jiu-jitsu. 0.99

04:29:31.000 Anyway, his dojo stories are fucking crazy. 0.94

04:29:35.000 Yeah, wasn't Kron telling you he has a video of one at his house? 0.98

04:29:39.000 Yeah.

04:29:40.000 He's got the Yoji Anjo video.

04:29:42.000 The Yoji Anjo video is legendary.

04:29:45.000 Because Hickson, this dude Yoji Anjo, came over from Japan.

04:29:48.000 This badass pro wrestler dude who challenged Hickson Gracie.

04:29:52.000 And Hickson said, yeah, okay, we'll do this.

04:29:54.000 This is what we're going to do.

04:29:55.000 You're going to come in here.

04:29:56.000 I'm going to film it.

04:29:58.000 And everybody else is going to wait outside.

04:30:00.000 And then whoever's left standing, they'll leave.

04:30:03.000 So he takes him down, beats his face into a tomato stew, and apparently filmed it.

04:30:11.000 And then they took pictures of the guy after he left.

04:30:13.000 There's photos of Yoji Anjo leaving, and his face is just a pulp.

04:30:17.000 In front of all the media.

04:30:18.000 I think I've seen those pictures.

04:30:19.000 Yeah.

04:30:20.000 So Hickson just beat...

04:30:22.000 Beat him.

04:30:22.000 Just beat.

04:30:23.000 Beat.

04:30:24.000 Beat.

04:30:24.000 Can't get him off him.

04:30:26.000 He's just mounting him. 0.99

04:30:26.000 Beating the shit out of him. 0.99

04:30:27.000 And then he decided to choke him unconscious. 0.99

04:30:29.000 But he taped his fists up with duct tape.

04:30:32.000 Like Hickson on the way over there.

04:30:34.000 He rode his bike from his house.

04:30:37.000 And he rode like a 10 speed there. 0.99

04:30:40.000 And on the way he's like fucking taping his hands up with duct tape. 0.97

04:30:44.000 And he gets out and just took him down. 0.97

04:30:46.000 He was not just the best, right?

04:30:50.000 In that time, it was completely undisputed.

04:30:52.000 Nobody said, well, then there's Hickson, and well, the other argument is that this guy's the best, or maybe this guy's close.

04:30:58.000 There was no argument.

04:30:59.000 There's Hickson, and then there was everybody else. 0.99

04:31:01.000 So this poor fool came over from Japan and just... 1.00

04:31:05.000 Just completely fucked up. 1.00

04:31:06.000 And Hickson just beat his brains in. 1.00

04:31:09.000 Beat his brains in and strangle him. 0.99

04:31:10.000 And then this is what a G Hickson is. 0.99

04:31:13.000 He doesn't even release the tape.

04:31:14.000 He's like, nah, I don't have to look at it every now and then.

04:31:17.000 That's mine.

04:31:18.000 I feel like I've heard this story before.

04:31:21.000 That's awesome.

04:31:23.000 He's like, nah, I like looking at it.

04:31:26.000 It's mine.

04:31:27.000 I think you just confirmed the urban legend for me.

04:31:29.000 Because I feel like I heard pieces of that places.

04:31:32.000 Oh, it's real.

04:31:33.000 It's real.

04:31:34.000 One of my happiest moments as a martial artist was I had dinner with Hickson and his family.

04:31:40.000 And Krohn, when he was younger, Krohn was like...

04:31:43.000 I want to say he was 16, maybe 16 or 17 at the time.

04:31:46.000 I think he was still in high school though, I'm pretty sure.

04:31:49.000 Hickson was still married.

04:31:49.000 We had dinner and then we all went back to Hickson's house and watched fights.

04:31:54.000 And Hickson was just analyzing positions and talking about what mistakes people were making and talking about the right way to do things. 0.99

04:32:01.000 And he pushes shit aside in his living room. 0.98

04:32:04.000 He pushes the coffee table aside and he's like, I'm going to get in your guard. 0.99

04:32:08.000 I want to show you some positions.

04:32:10.000 And he's talking about positions.

04:32:12.000 He was talking about mistakes that these guys in this fight tape that we're watching.

04:32:16.000 We're watching VHS tapes.

04:32:17.000 And we're watching guys who've made mistakes.

04:32:19.000 And this is what's wrong.

04:32:20.000 And this is why Jiu-Jitsu is all you need.

04:32:22.000 When you have the best Jiu-Jitsu.

04:32:24.000 He had this...

04:32:27.000 Crazy, crazy way of analyzing, like, positions.

04:32:31.000 You know, it's really interesting to talk to him about, like, everything starts neutral.

04:32:34.000 It's like, we started neutral position.

04:32:36.000 He goes, but once I get to one, he goes, there's no going back to zero.

04:32:40.000 He goes, I go from one, and then I go to two, and then to three, and then checkmate. 1.00

04:32:46.000 But the way he said it was like, oh shit. 0.99

04:32:49.000 But the way he said, and once I go to one, we're not going back to zero. 1.00

04:32:54.000 It was just... 1.00

04:32:55.000 I mean, this is the words of a man who strangled many a motherfucker. 1.00

04:33:02.000 Once I start setting you up, you're done. 0.99

04:33:04.000 Yeah, I mean, he just was so...

04:33:08.000 Just eternally confident.

04:33:10.000 And this is when he was still thinking about fighting Fedor.

04:33:13.000 He hadn't fought since 2000. He fought in 2000. He fought Funaki, who was probably one of his toughest tests.

04:33:20.000 Funaki fractured his orbital.

04:33:22.000 Remember that?

04:33:23.000 He fractured Hickson's orbital?

04:33:25.000 He fractured Hickson's orbital with a punch.

04:33:27.000 And then it wound up being Funaki on top, kicking Hickson's legs on the bottom. 0.96

04:33:33.000 And Hickson was trying to up-kick his legs, trying to up-kick his knees.

04:33:37.000 And then somehow or another, they got into a scramble, and then Hickson got his back, and Hickson choked him to sleep.

04:33:44.000 What was that event?

04:33:45.000 I forget the name of the event.

04:33:46.000 Coliseum.

04:33:47.000 Coliseum.

04:33:48.000 Coliseum.

04:33:48.000 I used to have the poster.

04:33:50.000 I used to have a shitload of those fucking posters, man. 0.99

04:33:52.000 But, yeah, so Hickson, that was his last fight. 0.99

04:33:56.000 And that was, you know, that was a fight that everybody, a lot of people had said, like, what would happen if Hickson fought?

04:34:01.000 A guy like Funaki.

04:34:02.000 Yeah.

04:34:02.000 He was one of the examples.

04:34:04.000 Because he had fought in Japan Valley Tudo, ran through everybody, and there had been no one that had presented any, like, real serious challenges to him.

04:34:12.000 Then he fought Takata, ran through Takata.

04:34:15.000 Remember that?

04:34:16.000 Yeah.

04:34:17.000 People forget Hickson was in Pride No.

04:34:19.000 1. Hickson was the guy who launched Pride.

04:34:22.000 It was like KRS. Do you remember that?

04:34:25.000 It was like KRS Pride.

04:34:26.000 The promotion.

04:34:28.000 No, it was like KRS Pride.

04:34:29.000 It was K-something. 1.00

04:34:31.000 I feel like KRS sounds right.

04:34:33.000 Dude, we're barely watching this awesome fight. 0.99

04:34:35.000 When Hickson was fighting in Pride, they were called some shit. 0.98

04:34:38.000 That's another thing they need on Fight Pass. 0.98

04:34:40.000 They need to put Choke on there. 1.00

04:34:42.000 Oh yeah, no doubt, right?

04:34:43.000 The Choke documentary is one of the greatest martial arts documentaries of all time.

04:34:47.000 No, the greatest.

04:34:48.000 What's better?

04:34:50.000 That's the greatest.

04:34:51.000 He's the greatest.

04:34:53.000 You know?

04:34:53.000 Details him going through that Japan Valley Tudo crowd.

04:34:57.000 Dude.

04:34:59.000 When I first saw that, I tried to do that stretch, you know, like how he was twisted like a pretzel?

04:35:04.000 Yeah.

04:35:05.000 I've been trying to do that ever since.

04:35:07.000 I can't do it.

04:35:08.000 He can't do it anymore either, if that makes you feel better.

04:35:11.000 Because I don't think he can.

04:35:13.000 He's got quite a few injuries, though, from all of his years of jiu-jitsu.

04:35:17.000 Yeah.

04:35:18.000 Nobody rides for free.

04:35:20.000 Yeah.

04:35:21.000 But he was like one of the first guys to incorporate yoga into his training.

04:35:28.000 Look at that stretch what he was doing there.

04:35:34.000 He was seriously into yoga. 0.87

04:35:36.000 He had ridiculous posture, or ridiculous balance rather. 1.00

04:35:41.000 You ever see that shit he did on balance beams? 1.00

04:35:43.000 He would walk on one leg and then lift his leg completely over his head in a standing split. 0.99

04:35:47.000 Wasn't that on choke?

04:35:49.000 Might have been.

04:35:50.000 If it wasn't, it was on something else similar to it. 0.99

04:35:53.000 This is a fucking good fight. 0.99

04:35:54.000 We're barely paying attention. 0.99

04:35:57.000 I have no idea who won.

04:36:03.000 Well, I've been kind of paying attention.

04:36:05.000 I still couldn't tell you who's winning.

04:36:07.000 Yeah, no clues, right?

04:36:08.000 But I do now know the Yu Giangelo story.

04:36:12.000 I know that now.

04:36:14.000 Yoji.

04:36:14.000 Yoji Anjo.

04:36:15.000 Yeah.

04:36:16.000 Yeah, that's apparently a completely legit story.

04:36:21.000 It's definitely legit that he did it to him and apparently completely legit that he has the tape.

04:36:27.000 But that's just what a gangster he is.

04:36:29.000 Like, he could sell that tape.

04:36:30.000 He can make money off that tape.

04:36:32.000 He's like, eh, it's fine.

04:36:34.000 It's mine.

04:36:35.000 And he's also the guy that, like, he had a price.

04:36:38.000 Like he said, look, I'll fight for this amount.

04:36:40.000 If you don't have that amount, I'm not fighting.

04:36:42.000 And that was it.

04:36:44.000 I mean, there was just no negotiating.

04:36:45.000 Discussion.

04:36:46.000 Yeah.

04:36:46.000 I mean, he, in a lot of ways, he raised the expectations that fighters had for purses.

04:36:52.000 Yeah.

04:36:53.000 Because he always had very high expectations for himself.

04:36:56.000 And very high requirements.

04:36:58.000 And people said that he was pricing himself out of fights.

04:37:01.000 But he had just decided, I think, this is what I'm worth.

04:37:05.000 Either I get this, or they don't want to pay me what I'm worth, so I don't fight for what I'm not worth.

04:37:10.000 Or for less than what I'm worth.

04:37:12.000 Is this the main event?

04:37:13.000 It was.

04:37:14.000 We'll be doing a 20 hour podcast here. 1.00

04:37:17.000 What the fuck? 0.99

04:37:17.000 This thing started at 6.30. 0.99

04:37:19.000 That was the undercard.

04:37:21.000 I know, we didn't know though.

04:37:24.000 I thought we were here for the fights.

04:37:26.000 Grunhart.

04:37:27.000 Yeah, Grunhart.

04:37:29.000 Grunhart.

04:37:29.000 Do you think he won?

04:37:31.000 I think Nicky won.

04:37:33.000 He looked a little sharper, but I wasn't paying that close attention.

04:37:37.000 That's a real problem, isn't it?

04:37:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

04:37:40.000 Bunch of fucking blabbermouths. 1.00

04:37:43.000 I think we talked about some important shit, though. 1.00

04:37:46.000 I like stories. 0.98

04:37:48.000 Yeah.

04:37:49.000 I like stories.

04:37:52.000 That's what I sounded like.

04:37:55.000 I do too, man.

04:37:56.000 I do too.

04:37:57.000 But I do love stories.

04:37:58.000 Yeah, like a Hicks and Yoji Anjo story.

04:38:00.000 Those are legendary stories.

04:38:02.000 If you went back and you read about the tales of Miyamoto Musashi and all of his sword fights, you'd want to hear about those from someone who actually knew about them and they could tell you about them.

04:38:14.000 We're so lucky because, obviously, it's not the same as sword fights, but these crazy legendary martial arts stories, they happened in our lifetime.

04:38:22.000 So it's not like we're hearing about something from the 1400s. 0.74

04:38:25.000 We're hearing about some shit that happened in the year 95. It's kind of cool. 0.70

04:38:30.000 No, that's really cool.

04:38:33.000 I'm going to tell you something I would recommend.

04:38:35.000 You might like this.

04:38:36.000 I don't know.

04:38:38.000 My son, he just turned 13 this summer, but about two or three years ago, he was like 10 or 11, we were in Austin.

04:38:45.000 I was like, you know what, Yvonne, we're going to do a podcast together.

04:38:48.000 So we sat down and we talked for an hour, and it's just for me, and I'm going to leave it for him.

04:38:53.000 But we talked about a bunch of stuff, and it was one of the coolest conversations I've ever had.

04:38:58.000 You should probably do that with your girls, because when they're older, and if you're gone when they're older, When they're your age now, right?

04:39:06.000 They'll have that to go back and listen to if they want to.

04:39:09.000 Yeah, that's a good idea.

04:39:10.000 Yeah, have a little conversation with them on a recording.

04:39:13.000 Yeah, that's a really good idea, man.

04:39:15.000 I'm going to do that with my daughter.

04:39:17.000 I'm going to do it with my mom.

04:39:19.000 That's a really good idea.

04:39:21.000 My dad died when I was 12. If I had a tape of us talking, you know what I mean?

04:39:28.000 Yeah.

04:39:29.000 Just imagine having that.

04:39:30.000 Yeah.

04:39:33.000 I would recommend everybody do that.

04:39:35.000 If you have an iPhone or whatever, just talk to your kid for a bit.

04:39:40.000 We talked about so many things.

04:39:41.000 We were talking about...

04:39:42.000 I was like, if you could go back in time, if you had a time machine, what would you do?

04:39:45.000 Where would you go?

04:39:45.000 He was like...

04:39:47.000 I don't know, to the 1900s.

04:39:48.000 And I'm like, I grew up in the 1900s.

04:39:50.000 What are you talking about, right?

04:39:53.000 That's hilarious. 0.99

04:39:55.000 Kids look at the 1900s like, oh man, back in the fucking old days. 0.99

04:40:00.000 So things like that. 0.98

04:40:02.000 Then somehow we got to talking about my dad and about me being a kid around my dad.

04:40:08.000 And he was like, If I had a time machine, I would go back and meet your dad.

04:40:14.000 You know what I mean?

04:40:15.000 Right.

04:40:16.000 And that's what made me think, no, this is something we should do.

04:40:19.000 Because then if he decides he wants kids or if he has kids or whatever, if they don't meet me, they'd have that.

04:40:25.000 Yeah.

04:40:26.000 If you wanted to share it.

04:40:27.000 No, that's important.

04:40:29.000 That's a good point. 1.00

04:40:29.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

04:40:30.000 I didn't see that. 1.00

04:40:31.000 He spun him down.

04:40:32.000 I hit him with a knee on the way down. 0.53

04:40:37.000 He's a... 0.96

04:40:38.000 Wow.

04:40:39.000 Every time I was looking...

04:40:41.000 Put it on Mickey a little bit.

04:40:46.000 This is a crazy fight.

04:40:47.000 So I think Joseph Valtellini is saying that he came on too late.

04:40:53.000 He needed more.

04:40:54.000 We'll see.

04:40:56.000 Valtellini had to stop fighting because of head trauma, right?

04:40:59.000 That's what he said.

04:41:00.000 That's what I heard.

04:41:02.000 Yeah, he said he was having concussion syndrome.

04:41:05.000 He's been pretty open about it.

04:41:10.000 How many times has he been knocked out?

04:41:13.000 I don't know.

04:41:14.000 Do you think it's from being knocked out?

04:41:15.000 Well, Nicky Holtzkin stopped him.

04:41:17.000 Probably just shots to the head.

04:41:19.000 Shots absorbed.

04:41:21.000 Wow, Nicky Holtzkin got hit way more.

04:41:23.000 Hey Shilling, do you know that there used to be rumors or people wanted to see Joe Rogan in the Octagon?

04:41:30.000 Oh my god.

04:41:31.000 Do you know about the rumor about you and Blade?

04:41:36.000 Wesley Snipes?

04:41:37.000 Yeah, I've talked about that before.

04:41:39.000 That it was actually supposed to happen.

04:41:41.000 Yeah, that wasn't just a rumor.

04:41:44.000 At the time, I was willing...

04:41:46.000 I was like, there's no jiu-jitsu at all.

04:41:48.000 I was like, what are the odds he's going to keep me off of him?

04:41:51.000 I just didn't think that anybody who didn't know any jiu-jitsu could learn it quick.

04:41:56.000 Like, I was already a brown belt by then.

04:41:58.000 I just knew what happened when a brown belt fights a white belt. 0.96

04:42:01.000 I'm like, I just can't imagine.

04:42:02.000 And I know how to stand up.

04:42:04.000 And even if I... I wasn't good at striking anymore, like as I was when I was a kid.

04:42:09.000 I'm good enough to know what to not do and where to not be. 0.91

04:42:14.000 And if I get a hold of someone who doesn't know jujitsu, I'm pretty sure I'm choking the fuck out of them. 0.98

04:42:20.000 And that was my thought. 0.75

04:42:21.000 I was like, this guy really wants to do this?

04:42:23.000 I was like, I know he's never wrestled.

04:42:25.000 He never had a competitive martial arts match, whether it's a kickboxing fight or a karate fight. 0.98

04:42:31.000 I was like, I'm going to choke the fuck out of this guy. 0.98

04:42:33.000 I'm going to get a hold of him. 1.00

04:42:34.000 I'm going to squeeze the shit out of him. 0.99

04:42:35.000 And they're going to give me a lot of money. 0.99

04:42:37.000 And he's probably not even going to get hurt.

04:42:38.000 That's what I thought.

04:42:39.000 And it turned out really what it was, was just he was desperate.

04:42:44.000 In a real bad situation with the IRS. And so they were trying to figure out some way to generate money.

04:42:51.000 And one of the ways they said, look, let's just see if we can come up with a crazy pay-per-view fight. 0.72

04:42:57.000 And they wanted to fight Jean-Claude Van Damme in some pay-per-view fight.

04:43:00.000 The guy they brought it to was this guy, Campbell McLaren, who was one of the original producers of the UFC. And he's like, look, nobody's going to pay to see you and Jean-Claude Van Damme fight.

04:43:10.000 I disagree.

04:43:11.000 I'd pay for it.

04:43:12.000 But they said, no one's going to pay for that.

04:43:14.000 You know, you have to fight someone who's, I think the word he used was current.

04:43:18.000 So he said, would you fight Joe Rogan?

04:43:20.000 This was when Fear Factor was on.

04:43:21.000 And he said, yep, I'll do it.

04:43:23.000 Let's do it.

04:43:23.000 And so they came to me and I went, how much money?

04:43:26.000 And then they started talking.

04:43:27.000 I said, okay.

04:43:27.000 I said, I'll do it.

04:43:28.000 And they're, are you serious?

04:43:29.000 I go, yeah, I'll fight that guy.

04:43:32.000 I was like, okay, let's see what happens.

04:43:34.000 And so then there was like a bunch of changes of the contract.

04:43:37.000 It was supposed to be 50-50, then it changed, and I said, okay, do that too. 0.93

04:43:41.000 I said, whatever, let's just do it.

04:43:42.000 Let's just do it.

04:43:43.000 Come on, let's do it.

04:43:44.000 And I was training for it for quite a while. 0.95

04:43:45.000 I was training for it for a couple of months, and I was fucking tired all the time.

04:43:50.000 I was training with Rob Kamen, and I was doing jujitsu. 0.94

04:43:54.000 So I'd be hitting paths when Rob came in and sparring with him and sparring with some of his students and then I'd go to Jiu Jitsu and I was fucking tired and it made me...

04:44:02.000 I always knew how hard it was to be a professional MMA fighter.

04:44:07.000 I'd seen people work at it.

04:44:09.000 I'd seen guys struggle.

04:44:11.000 I'd seen guys like Connor Hewn who was like a young guy who was coming up in the...

04:44:15.000 Amateur ranks and I was seeing him fight out of legends.

04:44:18.000 So I knew the requirement of it, but until you I mean the Piss-ass amount of training that I was doing in comparison to what it is to fight in the UFC or something like that It just gave me way more of an appreciation for just how much how much it takes out of your life Because it's not just the amount of time that you're spent training It's like when you're done training you're fucking tired And you're not gonna get a lot of other things done and if you do you're gonna be cranky, 0.70

04:44:44.000 right? 0.89

04:44:45.000 Yup.

04:44:46.000 So, that was the story behind it.

04:44:48.000 And he just decided not to do it, apparently.

04:44:50.000 And when it became more obvious that they didn't want money, they wanted to put him in jail.

04:44:54.000 They wanted to put him in jail and set an example.

04:44:56.000 I think this was all while his court case was still going on.

04:44:59.000 I don't want to talk out of school because I don't know what the...

04:45:01.000 The exact issue was, but they wanted to put him in jail for tax evasion because he had some guy who apparently was advising him incorrectly about how much taxes he had to pay or whether or not he had to pay taxes at all.

04:45:14.000 I don't know the whole story, but that was what was going on.

04:45:18.000 He was just in desperation mode.

04:45:20.000 I always thought that was a rumor.

04:45:22.000 No, that was real.

04:45:23.000 I remember you mentioning it on a broadcast at one point.

04:45:26.000 Because he wasn't signing the contract.

04:45:27.000 Because it was going on for a long time.

04:45:29.000 And I was like, what are we doing?

04:45:31.000 Like, am I doing this?

04:45:33.000 Because if I'm doing this, I'm not doing anything else.

04:45:34.000 Like, I need to know if I'm doing this.

04:45:36.000 And I was training a lot then.

04:45:37.000 So I was like, okay.

04:45:39.000 So now you're getting pissed.

04:45:41.000 I was getting pissed at a certain point in time.

04:45:43.000 But that was when I was training jujitsu a lot.

04:45:48.000 Yeah, I was training several times a week.

04:45:50.000 Who knows, man? 0.97

04:45:50.000 He might have fucked me up. 0.97

04:45:51.000 Totally possible. 1.00

04:45:53.000 But I was pretty sure I was going to choke him.

04:45:56.000 It's just one of those things. 1.00

04:45:57.000 Where it's like, if it was like Michael Jai White or something like that, I'd be like, fuck that. 0.98

04:46:02.000 You know, Mario Lopez knows how to box, he used to wrestle. 1.00

04:46:05.000 Fuck that. 1.00

04:46:06.000 Not interested. 1.00

04:46:07.000 Some dude who's never done Jiu-Jitsu?

04:46:09.000 Huh.

04:46:11.000 I just feel like...

04:46:12.000 There's only so much you can do.

04:46:16.000 You know, like...

04:46:17.000 White belt, brown belt.

04:46:18.000 Do you remember the first time you got mauled in, like, a Jiu-Jitsu class?

04:46:21.000 Yeah.

04:46:23.000 Isn't it weird?

04:46:24.000 Like the first time you get mauled, you're like, I had no idea someone could do that to me so easy.

04:46:28.000 Yeah, I got choked by, I was like 18, I got choked by a 14 year old.

04:46:35.000 I'm serious.

04:46:36.000 He was like 14, 15 years old.

04:46:39.000 I didn't know what I was doing.

04:46:40.000 Of course.

04:46:42.000 There was a kid at Carlson Gracie's place that used to torture me.

04:46:45.000 I was a white belt, and he was a purple belt, and he was no bigger than me.

04:46:49.000 He was no younger than me. 0.97

04:46:51.000 He was like my age, my size, and he used to just rape me. 0.99

04:46:55.000 It was just no denying that this dude, if we were in a fight, he would be able to choke the fucking life out of me, and I would only be able to hold him off for a certain amount of time. 0.99

04:47:06.000 It was just, I was a white belt. 0.97

04:47:07.000 I didn't know what I was doing, and he wasn't nice about it either.

04:47:10.000 He would smash you.

04:47:12.000 But that guy taught me a lot.

04:47:14.000 It taught me a lot because I wrestled in high school, and I'd done a lot of martial arts tournaments as far as taekwondo tournaments, and I'd done some of that American kickboxing, and I had a totally delusional sense of how much I could keep someone off of me,

04:47:29.000 like in terms of grappling.

04:47:31.000 I really had no idea.

04:47:33.000 It was just so humiliating.

04:47:37.000 Nobody knows.

04:47:38.000 Nobody knows.

04:47:39.000 Nobody knows.

04:47:39.000 They don't know.

04:47:39.000 On any grappling, striking, whatever, anyone has this false sense of security.

04:47:44.000 I had to tell that to a friend of mine.

04:47:46.000 It's so bad.

04:47:47.000 I had to tell that to a friend of mine who was a grappler.

04:47:49.000 I had a buddy of mine who, a really good guy, was a black belt in jiu-jitsu.

04:47:53.000 He was like, I'm going to take an MMA fight.

04:47:55.000 I'm like, okay.

04:47:56.000 Like, why are you going to take an MMA fight?

04:47:58.000 He's like, well, you know, it's kind of a bucket list thing.

04:48:00.000 I want to do it.

04:48:00.000 I mean, are you going to dabble in this?

04:48:01.000 Are you going to compete?

04:48:02.000 Are you going to fight?

04:48:03.000 Like, we had one of these conversations.

04:48:05.000 Like, how are you going to do this?

04:48:06.000 And I'm like, you know what you can do to a guy?

04:48:08.000 Because he's a black belt. 0.99

04:48:09.000 You know what you can do to a guy on the ground that doesn't know what the fuck he's doing? 0.99

04:48:13.000 Someone could do that to you standing up. 0.99

04:48:15.000 And it's way worse.

04:48:17.000 It's way worse.

04:48:18.000 Because if a guy takes you down and strangles you, you're done, you tap, you get up, your neck is a little sore, you're going to be fine.

04:48:24.000 And go to work the next day.

04:48:25.000 Yeah.

04:48:25.000 If Eve Edwards shins you across the dome, that's not a fun time.

04:48:29.000 That's not a fun time.

04:48:30.000 When your legs turn into rubber and they give out from you and the world's spinning and you hear...

04:48:41.000 That's exactly right.

04:48:42.000 That's exactly right.

04:48:43.000 It's terrible.

04:48:44.000 It's a terrible place to be, you know?

04:48:47.000 Yeah.

04:48:47.000 It's just one of those things that I don't think people realize until they see it happen or until they do it to somebody.

04:48:53.000 Like, since they can't do it to somebody, I don't think they realize that someone could do it to them.

04:48:58.000 I think everybody should at least once, every man anyway, once in their lifetime, hear that.

04:49:07.000 Because that's a different state of being.

04:49:10.000 It's just like a car accident.

04:49:12.000 People don't realize it.

04:49:13.000 When they get in a car accident, it's that same buzz.

04:49:17.000 When you see those films, if you've never experienced that, when you see those films where it's a car accident or a big hit and they do that effect, just imagine all of that but inside your own head.

04:49:29.000 It's really just like that for about two to three seconds as it clears up.

04:49:34.000 I remember when Tito Ortiz body slammed Evan Tanner and KO'd him with a body slam.

04:49:40.000 I remember just watching that.

04:49:43.000 He got the clinch on him, hoisted him up in the air, and just slammed him to the ground.

04:49:48.000 And I remember thinking, like, so few people understand that a guy like that can just do that to you.

04:49:56.000 Yeah.

04:49:58.000 Imagine that on the street.

04:49:59.000 Oh my god.

04:50:00.000 Right in front of a bodega.

04:50:02.000 He just slams you on a fire hydrant like that.

04:50:05.000 Yeah, here it is right here.

04:50:06.000 He got the body clinch.

04:50:07.000 Boom! 0.99

04:50:08.000 Just KO'd him with a slam. 0.95

04:50:11.000 That was when Tito was in his full prime.

04:50:16.000 Why doesn't that happen more often?

04:50:18.000 Guys are better.

04:50:20.000 Guys are better.

04:50:23.000 They're better at adjusting on the way down too.

04:50:26.000 Guys are realizing the consequences of that head getting into play.

04:50:29.000 They're protecting themselves.

04:50:31.000 Because a lot of it is, in the body slam, you're also getting head-butted.

04:50:36.000 I don't remember who it was.

04:50:38.000 But it could still happen.

04:50:38.000 It was around the turn of the millennia.

04:50:44.000 But somebody got picked up in that body lock and they were dumping them and they posted.

04:50:50.000 Do you remember this?

04:50:52.000 I feel like it was Jason DeLucia.

04:50:54.000 And he posted...

04:50:56.000 And snapped his arm?

04:50:57.000 No, posted on his foot.

04:50:59.000 Posted on his leg.

04:51:02.000 If somebody remembers that.

04:51:03.000 If I find it, I'll send it to you.

04:51:05.000 But I feel like somebody got body locked.

04:51:07.000 Uh-huh.

04:51:08.000 And he got picked up with that same slam that Tito just hit on Evan Tanner. 0.99

04:51:13.000 He posted with his feet?

04:51:14.000 He flipped his feet over his head?

04:51:16.000 I'm getting slammed this way, but he reaches out with his leg to stop himself.

04:51:21.000 I think I saw.

04:51:21.000 Really?

04:51:22.000 I want to say I've seen that.

04:51:23.000 I can't remember.

04:51:24.000 I only saw it once because I'm not looking at that again.

04:51:27.000 But it was...

04:51:28.000 Yeah, it was bad.

04:51:30.000 His leg snaps?

04:51:31.000 He dislocated his hip or something.

04:51:33.000 Oh, Jesus.

04:51:33.000 I feel like it was Jason DeLucia.

04:51:36.000 I don't remember for sure. 0.96

04:51:37.000 Now that you're bringing it up, I have this fucking shaky memory that might just be you introducing a false memory into my head. 0.91

04:51:44.000 That's what they say the FBI does to people. 0.97

04:51:46.000 Is that what they do?

04:51:47.000 Yeah, man.

04:51:48.000 Introduce false memories.

04:51:50.000 They can do that now.

04:51:51.000 Were you there, Joe Rogan?

04:51:53.000 I don't know, man!

04:51:53.000 Was I? I don't know.

04:51:55.000 You tell me, man! 0.98

04:51:56.000 I'm getting fucking confused! 0.98

04:51:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

04:52:00.000 We've seen a lot of people get fucked up. 0.99

04:52:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

04:52:03.000 Yeah.

04:52:03.000 I think about it.

04:52:05.000 I asked my wife one time how many fights she's seen.

04:52:07.000 I can only imagine how many fights you've seen.

04:52:09.000 Seen a lot of fights.

04:52:10.000 Yeah.

04:52:11.000 What's interesting is you and I have seen fights from the beginning to the...

04:52:17.000 Well, obviously, the most recent era is almost always the best era in every sport, right?

04:52:21.000 Right.

04:52:21.000 But this is the best era.

04:52:23.000 I mean, the elite athletes of today are probably the best of all time, right?

04:52:28.000 Yeah.

04:52:29.000 I watch UFC broadcasts at home, and I feel like I'm watching.

04:52:36.000 I didn't think I would be watching this on television in the capacity that I'm watching it now, that I can see it in now.

04:52:41.000 These guys, I see the fight.

04:52:43.000 I see these guys enter the octagon, and it's like I'm watching the NBA in the early 90s.

04:52:50.000 Or I'm watching the NFL in the mid-90s.

04:52:53.000 It's like this is becoming something that is a real sport.

04:52:59.000 The UFC is a league and this is a real sport that people actually respect and this is going to become a part of the culture.

04:53:06.000 Yeah.

04:53:06.000 Their kids are going to grow up to do these things.

04:53:09.000 For sure.

04:53:10.000 I didn't think I would see...

04:53:11.000 I didn't expect...

04:53:13.000 No, who expected this at this point even?

04:53:15.000 You're right.

04:53:16.000 I thought it was exciting.

04:53:17.000 I thought it was going to go somewhere, but I didn't think it was going to be this quick.

04:53:21.000 No, you're totally right.

04:53:22.000 It's amazing. 0.66

04:53:23.000 I mean, and that's because of the balls of the Fertittas. 1.00

04:53:26.000 Cough up all that cash, you know, get $44 million in the hole and sticking with it, and then eventually the Ultimate Fighter finale airs, and Stefan Bonner and Forrest Griffin put on that crazy show, and then it all springs from there.

04:53:38.000 It's pretty incredible that you're looking at today, you know, major events on Fox.

04:53:45.000 That's giant.

04:53:46.000 I mean, they're huge.

04:53:46.000 They get millions and millions of people.

04:53:48.000 Giant pay-per-views.

04:53:49.000 And then Conor and Ronda, these two huge stars that have sort of transcended the sport.

04:53:55.000 And they become these...

04:53:58.000 Pulp Fiction icons, these characters, these pop fiction humans.

04:54:04.000 They become like something exaggerated.

04:54:06.000 When the UFC had to move, when they got banned in New York and they had to move the event.

04:54:14.000 Were you working the backstage reporting then?

04:54:16.000 That was my first one.

04:54:18.000 Dothan, Alabama.

04:54:18.000 I didn't know if I was going to have to fly to Buffalo, New York or Dothan, Alabama.

04:54:22.000 Last minute it was Dothan.

04:54:25.000 This is just a while ago and now it's like Madison Square Garden.

04:54:30.000 Yeah, that was 19 years ago.

04:54:31.000 That was 97. Crazy.

04:54:34.000 Yeah, and now it's in Madison Square Garden with the fucking nuttiest card of assassins that's ever been put together. 0.98

04:54:40.000 There's no better example of the fight game being at its highest level now than that card. 0.96

04:54:48.000 Like, that card, I mean, look at all the killers on that card.

04:54:50.000 It's just...

04:54:51.000 It's just chaos.

04:54:52.000 The whole card is just chaos.

04:54:53.000 Yeah.

04:54:54.000 From top to bottom.

04:54:55.000 A lot of cards you can get by without watching a fight, but there's not one on there that I want to miss.

04:55:03.000 Yeah.

04:55:03.000 No, it's a nutty card.

04:55:04.000 It's almost like you show up at a chick's house the first time and you bring diamonds and roses and chocolate and champagne. 1.00

04:55:12.000 What the fuck are you going to do the second time? 1.00

04:55:14.000 Just bring your dirty dick? 1.00

04:55:17.000 She's like, what happened to all the fucking diamonds, bitch? 1.00

04:55:20.000 Where's the champagne? 1.00

04:55:21.000 You almost can't make this card again.

04:55:24.000 Yeah.

04:55:24.000 This card's so good.

04:55:25.000 The next time we're in Madison Square Garden, people are going to be like, what the fuck is this card? 1.00

04:55:30.000 This fucking card's bullshit. 1.00

04:55:33.000 Last time they were here, we had three title fights. 1.00

04:55:35.000 Plus, Romero versus Weidman.

04:55:38.000 We had that Gestlem versus Cowboy. 1.00

04:55:42.000 It's gonna be horrible.

04:55:43.000 It's gonna be horrible. 1.00

04:55:44.000 It's gonna be just like a girl that thinks you're tired of fucking her. 1.00

04:55:47.000 It's gonna be the same thing. 0.99

04:55:48.000 Oh, you think you're just gonna come over now, huh?

04:55:50.000 You don't even have to bring diamonds.

04:55:51.000 Is that gonna be like a once a year thing?

04:55:55.000 I think Madison Square Garden will for sure be a once a year thing.

04:55:58.000 The question remains, did they decide to rub it in the face of all those corrupt cocksuckers that kept it out of New York for so long and keep generating these gigantic super mega cards in New York so it shows everybody the massive amount of revenue that it brings into the city? 0.97

04:56:14.000 Not just in the actual ticket sales itself, the taxes that are generated from the merchandise, but then All the affecting businesses, they're going to see a boom from all these people that are leaving that are going to go to bars and restaurants. 0.99

04:56:27.000 And they're going to see some of the craziest shit they've ever seen in their life. 0.98

04:56:30.000 So when people see crazy shit like that, they spend a lot of money, man. 1.00

04:56:34.000 They start drinking and fucking eating crazy food. 0.99

04:56:37.000 It's going to be giant financially for the city. 0.99

04:56:40.000 And if they decide to just throw a mega tsunami card like this one...

04:56:44.000 Once a year, that would be like...

04:56:46.000 They've got the other mega tsunami cards, right?

04:56:48.000 It's usually like the July 4th card's usually a giant one.

04:56:51.000 The December 31st card is usually a giant one.

04:56:54.000 Super Bowl.

04:56:55.000 Yeah, Super Bowl one's usually a pretty big one, too.

04:56:57.000 Maybe this one, too.

04:56:59.000 But this is kind of almost to make a point.

04:57:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

04:57:03.000 19 fucking years of corruption. 1.00

04:57:05.000 19 years. 1.00

04:57:06.000 19 years it was kept out of New York.

04:57:09.000 It's a long time, and it's not like...

04:57:14.000 They didn't see the sport.

04:57:15.000 The sport wasn't broadcast in New York.

04:57:17.000 The sport wasn't banned from the state, visually at least.

04:57:21.000 So it wasn't like these people don't know what they're missing.

04:57:25.000 The fans, anyway.

04:57:26.000 You start getting a homegrown group of guys coming out behind Matt Serra.

04:57:31.000 You get those Long Island MMA guys.

04:57:32.000 You get Weidmans.

04:57:33.000 You get Henzo's guys.

04:57:35.000 And these guys are local and they don't get to fight at home.

04:57:38.000 Crazy.

04:57:38.000 Because you have a problem with something.

04:57:40.000 You're corrupt. 0.79

04:57:41.000 And it's got millions of pay-per-view buys.

04:57:44.000 So if you're putting on like whether it's UFC 100 or UFC 200 or 201, you're getting into these hundreds of millions of people all throughout the world that are watching something that you can't have in your state. 0.99

04:58:00.000 Like what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

04:58:02.000 It's crazy. 1.00

04:58:03.000 It doesn't even make sense. 1.00

04:58:04.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

04:58:05.000 There's millions of fans all over the world of MMA now. 1.00

04:58:10.000 Absolutely not.

04:58:11.000 I do not want your money.

04:58:13.000 Well, it's just keeping it out for, you know, the whole reason with the culinary union.

04:58:17.000 Yeah.

04:58:18.000 Allegedly.

04:58:19.000 It's all alleged.

04:58:22.000 Joe Schilling.

04:58:23.000 I've checked out, too.

04:58:24.000 I'm just still talking for some reason. 0.99

04:58:26.000 Let's just shut the fuck up and wrap this up. 0.99

04:58:28.000 We've talked forever. 1.00

04:58:29.000 It's been a long show.

04:58:30.000 Eve Edwards, we finally got you on, but we got you on for a doozy. 1.00

04:58:33.000 Yeah, we've been here for a long time. 0.98

04:58:34.000 I mean, all the time that you've been talking about doing this podcast, now we got you on for five fucking hours. 0.96

04:58:39.000 That's like a two-for-one. 0.93

04:58:42.000 This was a fun glory, guys.

04:58:44.000 It was a fun fight companion.

04:58:45.000 We should do these for some other fights.

04:58:47.000 Maybe for some other Muay Thai fights or glory or something like that.

04:58:52.000 It was good times, right?

04:58:53.000 Sounds good.

04:58:54.000 Yeah, it's good times.

04:58:55.000 Alright, Joe Schilling, good luck on December 10th.

04:58:58.000 Don't pull out of your fight to watch Badr Hari versus Rico Verhoeven.

04:59:03.000 Who are you fighting?

04:59:04.000 Who are you fighting?

04:59:06.000 Italian guy.

04:59:08.000 He has a name.

04:59:08.000 I haven't figured out how to say it yet.

04:59:13.000 He's good.

04:59:14.000 He's got like 60 fights.

04:59:17.000 60 fights?

04:59:19.000 Something like that.

04:59:19.000 He's got a ton of fights.

04:59:20.000 And that's taking place in Europe?

04:59:22.000 Yeah, it's going to be in Florence, Italy.

04:59:24.000 Oh, wow.

04:59:24.000 Royal Tour kickboxing.

04:59:25.000 Florence is supposed to be the shit. 1.00

04:59:27.000 It's supposed to be beautiful over there. 1.00

04:59:28.000 I'm looking forward to it.

04:59:30.000 And then who else is on the card?

04:59:31.000 The main event is Carvalho and Melvin Manhoff rematch.

04:59:35.000 Alessio Scarra is on the card.

04:59:37.000 It's going to be Kevin Ross on the card.

04:59:39.000 Beautiful.

04:59:41.000 And, uh, Eve Edwards, they can get you at, uh, is it Thug Jitsu, what is it?

04:59:46.000 Thug Jitsu MMA? What is your Twitter?

04:59:48.000 Thug Jitsu Master.

04:59:50.000 Thug Jitsu Master.

04:59:51.000 Yeah.

04:59:51.000 And, uh, what about Instagram?

04:59:54.000 Instagram is the same, Thug Jitsu Master.

04:59:56.000 Um, easiest way to find me.

04:59:58.000 We finally got to the bottom of the name.

05:00:00.000 That's awesome.

05:00:01.000 Alright, this podcast is over.

05:00:03.000 Thank you, everybody.

05:00:04.000 Bye.

05:00:04.000 Peace.

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 22, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - October 21, 2016

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript