The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #869 - Dave Rubin

00:00:06.000 And we're live.

00:00:07.000 Dave Rubin, what a time to be alive.

00:00:11.000 Joe, I am so excited to be here because you could have selected anybody.

00:00:16.000 I mean, it ends tomorrow.

00:00:17.000 It does end tomorrow.

00:00:18.000 Supposedly.

00:00:19.000 Allegedly.

00:00:20.000 Unless, uh, maybe Jill Stein wins? 0.99

00:00:23.000 No, no, I'm talking about the world.

00:00:24.000 I mean, it is over.

00:00:25.000 I don't mean the election.

00:00:26.000 I mean, the whole game is up tomorrow.

00:00:28.000 You could have had anybody.

00:00:29.000 You're a pretty powerful guy, powerful Joe Rogan.

00:00:32.000 Well, I enjoy your company, sir.

00:00:33.000 Well, I appreciate that, but think of all the philosophers you could have had, the thinkers, the artists.

00:00:38.000 Too much work.

00:00:39.000 Instead, you went with me for the last show, so I'm gonna bring it!

00:00:42.000 I have notes!

00:00:43.000 I busted out the notepad!

00:00:45.000 Well, I believe the end of the world is tomorrow, so you're the preview to the end of the world.

00:00:50.000 So I feel like you're gonna offer some, well, hopefully, together, we're gonna offer some perspective, and we're gonna get a look at this thing.

00:00:57.000 Yeah, well, I already pounded two of these bad boys, so I am ready to...

00:01:00.000 That's a lot, dude! 0.99

00:01:00.000 These fucking things have 270 milligrams of caffeine. 0.99

00:01:03.000 Well, it's in a small can, so I thought it was... 1.00

00:01:05.000 It seems like, yeah.

00:01:06.000 It seems small.

00:01:07.000 But if it was that much acid, think about what it would do to you.

00:01:10.000 You really have to think about it that way.

00:01:11.000 Yeah, I did acid once.

00:01:13.000 Yeah?

00:01:13.000 Only one time.

00:01:14.000 I did it once last week.

00:01:15.000 Yeah, did you really do it last week?

00:01:16.000 Yeah, it was awesome.

00:01:17.000 Yeah?

00:01:17.000 I've done it three times.

00:01:18.000 I only did it this year for the first time, but I've done it three times this year.

00:01:21.000 Really?

00:01:22.000 Yeah.

00:01:22.000 And you feel like all the doors, the hinges of the brain, they're still going?

00:01:26.000 I don't know if they were any good at all before.

00:01:28.000 I think I'm gluing them up.

00:01:30.000 It's like caulk for my brain.

00:01:32.000 Yeah.

00:01:32.000 I shroom many times, you know, over the years.

00:01:35.000 I did acid once, did not like it at all.

00:01:37.000 Every time I closed my eyes, I had these three-dimensional triangles flying at me.

00:01:41.000 You know when you just can't stop your brain?

00:01:44.000 I felt that there was no end to it.

00:01:46.000 Shrooms, it's always very natural and nice and pleasant.

00:01:49.000 Yeah, that's the concern, right?

00:01:51.000 The concern is the potency of acid.

00:01:53.000 I heard it described by Terrence McKenna as like molecularly, if you looked at it in scale, it's something the size of an ant that can break down the Empire State Building in 30 minutes.

00:02:04.000 That's a bit much for me at this point.

00:02:06.000 You know what I mean?

00:02:06.000 I turned 40 this year.

00:02:08.000 I don't need to break down the Empire State Building or any other building at this point.

00:02:12.000 Now it's really about keeping the mental faculties I have, adding in a little more occasionally and going from there.

00:02:20.000 Yeah.

00:02:21.000 But you know what I mean?

00:02:21.000 You have to function, right?

00:02:22.000 Yes.

00:02:22.000 You have a show, you're doing comedy, all the stuff.

00:02:25.000 At some point, the expansion of the mind is like, I still gotta be on Earth, you know?

00:02:30.000 If you're gonna do the show, you definitely have to be there.

00:02:33.000 Yeah.

00:02:33.000 You have to be there.

00:02:34.000 But, um...

00:02:35.000 Duncan and I did a show on acid.

00:02:37.000 We did our last podcast.

00:02:39.000 Full disclosure, we were on acid during our last podcast.

00:02:42.000 Sweet Jesus.

00:02:42.000 Yeah.

00:02:43.000 I'm sitting in a room sober with these people.

00:02:47.000 Well, it's...

00:02:48.000 Less is expected of me, I think, than you.

00:02:51.000 You're expected to be rational.

00:02:53.000 But being a stand-up comedian slash cage-fighting commentator, you get a lot of wiggle room.

00:02:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:02:58.000 Yeah, you can say some pretty stupid shit. 1.00

00:03:01.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:03:01.000 People go, ah, it's... 1.00

00:03:02.000 Right.

00:03:03.000 Probably got hit in the head.

00:03:05.000 Exactly.

00:03:05.000 Yeah.

00:03:06.000 Exactly.

00:03:07.000 So, you know, obviously we're going to do election, but there's a couple updates.

00:03:10.000 So I haven't been here in about a year, a little more than a year.

00:03:13.000 A couple things I want to tell you.

00:03:14.000 Yeah, tell me.

00:03:14.000 What's going on?

00:03:14.000 So first off, so I got a house last week, not too far from here.

00:03:19.000 Building a home studio.

00:03:20.000 I'm very excited.

00:03:21.000 That's so awesome.

00:03:22.000 My fans are funding it, which is amazing.

00:03:23.000 Oh, nice.

00:03:24.000 So a ton of stuff has happened since last.

00:03:26.000 But I told you last time that I would know...

00:03:30.000 That I've hit a certain level of success when I'm not sitting on an Ikea couch and did not have Ikea stuff around me everywhere.

00:03:37.000 Now, I did bring all the Ikea stuff, but I made one purchase for the new house.

00:03:42.000 Only one purchase.

00:03:43.000 You got a real couch?

00:03:44.000 I got a real couch.

00:03:44.000 That's nice.

00:03:45.000 I got a real couch.

00:03:46.000 I mean, I'm talking people delivered it and I didn't have to put it together.

00:03:49.000 I didn't even know that that was a thing, that they come put together.

00:03:53.000 Do you know that? 1.00

00:03:54.000 Yeah, that IKEA stuff is bullshit. 0.99

00:03:55.000 If you just charge ten bucks more and put it together, it probably costs more than ten bucks though, right? 0.99

00:04:01.000 Isn't that the whole thing?

00:04:02.000 It costs more than ten, though.

00:04:04.000 Yeah.

00:04:04.000 For them to put it together for you?

00:04:05.000 Well, Ikea, do they put it together for you?

00:04:07.000 Will they do that?

00:04:07.000 They will, but it's going to be more than ten bucks.

00:04:09.000 I don't even mind putting it together.

00:04:10.000 It was just time for me not to have to put together furniture. 0.95

00:04:14.000 I put a desk together once, and it's, you know, I was like, I forget if it had an estimate of how much time it took, but it took me four fucking hours. 0.97

00:04:21.000 Were you on acid? 0.96

00:04:22.000 Was this an acid situation?

00:04:24.000 No, I was totally sober.

00:04:24.000 That would be something.

00:04:25.000 Screwdriver and shit. 1.00

00:04:26.000 Ikea assembly on acid. 1.00

00:04:28.000 I bet you'd do it better.

00:04:29.000 Yeah.

00:04:29.000 You know, like, was it Doc Willis, the guy who pitched a no-hitter on acid?

00:04:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:04:34.000 You know, he was fucked up all day. 0.97

00:04:36.000 He was doing acid, and then he got the call and didn't know he was supposed to play that day. 0.97

00:04:39.000 And it's like, oh, no, they want me to play today?

00:04:42.000 And think about it. 1.00

00:04:43.000 He, like, got his shit together. 0.99

00:04:44.000 Forget just pitching. 1.00

00:04:45.000 Just imagine getting your shit together, getting there. 0.99

00:04:47.000 Just that in and of itself. 0.98

00:04:48.000 Well, it depends on, I guess...

00:04:50.000 Your biological makeup, how it hits you.

00:04:53.000 You know, because I know a lot of friends who just can't smoke pot.

00:04:56.000 It just doesn't work with them.

00:04:58.000 And with me, it works great.

00:05:00.000 It's my favorite.

00:05:01.000 You like indica or sativa or hybrid?

00:05:04.000 I prefer sativa, but if someone's passed around an indica joint, I don't say no.

00:05:08.000 See, all my comic friends like sativa.

00:05:11.000 I like indica because for me at this point, and I guess this goes back to the doors and the mind thing, like, I don't want to think anymore if I'm smoking.

00:05:17.000 I don't smoke pot to think or to write or anything.

00:05:19.000 I smoke pot Because it's 11.30 at night, and I'm going to take one puff and watch a Seinfeld that I've seen 3,000 times already, or a Simpsons that I've seen 3,000 times, and that's it.

00:05:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:05:29.000 I don't smoke to all my comic books.

00:05:33.000 I have smoke, and I'm like, no.

00:05:35.000 So it's a decompressing agent for you.

00:05:37.000 Purely.

00:05:38.000 Purely, yeah.

00:05:39.000 Well, you know, people get real wary when you start talking about pot or acid or even alcohol because there's a lot of people that everyone knows that have kind of fucked their life up doing that.

00:05:50.000 But 35,000 people die driving every year.

00:05:53.000 It doesn't stop us from driving, you know?

00:05:55.000 I mean, obviously, if you're doing acid, most likely you're not going to kill somebody else.

00:06:01.000 So it's, you know, the responsibility of driving is even more intense.

00:06:03.000 You could jump out a window like Helen Hunt. 0.92

00:06:06.000 Did you ever see that infomer, that kids thing?

00:06:09.000 They showed it at high school.

00:06:10.000 They showed it in high schools when I was growing up.

00:06:12.000 I think it was Helen Hunt.

00:06:13.000 You know which one I'm talking about?

00:06:14.000 No.

00:06:14.000 That educational video where they showed these high school kids.

00:06:18.000 And it's Helen Hunt as like a 15-year-old and she's on acid and she jumps out a window and breaks the window.

00:06:22.000 It just kills herself at school. 0.99

00:06:23.000 That's a fucking old Bill Hicks bit. 1.00

00:06:25.000 Remember that Bill Hicks bit? 1.00

00:06:27.000 Young man on acid.

00:06:28.000 Thought he could fly.

00:06:29.000 Jumps off a building.

00:06:30.000 What a tragedy. 1.00

00:06:31.000 He goes, what a dick. 1.00

00:06:32.000 He thought he could fly. 1.00

00:06:33.000 Why didn't he try taking off from the ground first? 1.00

00:06:35.000 He goes, we lost a moron. 1.00

00:06:38.000 We need a Hicks. 1.00

00:06:39.000 Don't we need a Hicks? 0.91

00:06:40.000 Every day...

00:06:42.000 I wake up and I go, man, I wish we had Carlin still, because we still, you know, obviously there's plenty of good comics out there and there's so much, there's such a breadth of stuff to talk about.

00:06:52.000 Jamie, I don't need to see Helen Hunt.

00:06:55.000 You know how many times that's been said before?

00:06:57.000 A lot!

00:06:58.000 That's Paul Reiser, it's on his business card, I think.

00:07:00.000 He wakes up in the middle of the night, no!

00:07:03.000 Okay, it's over.

00:07:04.000 It's over.

00:07:05.000 What the hell was I talking about?

00:07:07.000 Acid, no. 0.99

00:07:08.000 People dying, no.

00:07:10.000 We moved on.

00:07:11.000 All the good comics.

00:07:12.000 There was something there.

00:07:13.000 Oh, and Carlin.

00:07:14.000 That just...

00:07:15.000 Imagine what George Carlin would be going through if he lived right now in the politically correct age we live in.

00:07:21.000 If you took any of his old stuff, he would be being attacked by all sides. 0.97

00:07:25.000 But dare I say, he'd be attacked more by the left these days for the shit that he would be talking about saying about women or about minorities or anything, you know? 0.98

00:07:32.000 And it's so... 0.99

00:07:34.000 It's such a shame the way things have turned.

00:07:36.000 Well, yeah, he had some mean stuff.

00:07:38.000 That I think, like, I remember this one bit that he had that even at the time I was like, whoa.

00:07:43.000 It was like anorexia. 1.00

00:07:44.000 And he's like, dumb, rich cunt doesn't want to eat. 1.00

00:07:47.000 Fuck her! 1.00

00:07:48.000 But we need that now. 1.00

00:07:50.000 That's the point.

00:07:51.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:51.000 He wasn't saying the specific girl who may have anorexia that you know.

00:07:56.000 Right, but if your daughter died from anorexia and you heard that, you'd be like, whoa, man.

00:07:59.000 Yeah, you would.

00:08:00.000 You would.

00:08:01.000 That would upset you at that moment.

00:08:02.000 And then, you know what?

00:08:03.000 Life goes on.

00:08:04.000 Well, George Carlin...

00:08:06.000 There was one issue with Carlin, and that one issue was that he had a plan to do a whole new hour every year.

00:08:14.000 And so he would put together this hour, and he didn't work out at comedy clubs either.

00:08:19.000 He would just sort of write it, and then go and perform it, and do little tweaks here and there.

00:08:26.000 But doing that one hour every year, you don't have enough time to...

00:08:32.000 You can't sit around and go, hmm...

00:08:34.000 I wonder if this is a good bit.

00:08:36.000 Am I committed to this because I believe in it?

00:08:39.000 Have I explored all the possibilities and all the ways that this is going to be interpreted?

00:08:43.000 Is this the most effective way to convey that idea?

00:08:46.000 Yeah.

00:08:46.000 But he was also so loved and so awesome that he just wanted to shock the shit out of people.

00:08:53.000 That was half of it. 0.91

00:08:54.000 It was like he was tired of all this talk about anorexia.

00:08:57.000 And, you know, maybe if he was alive today and you were talking to him about it, he would change his opinion on that bit.

00:09:02.000 Yeah.

00:09:02.000 Look, I'm sure if we went back in the however many years you've been doing stand-up, there are things that you've said up there.

00:09:08.000 Nope.

00:09:09.000 Sticking to my guns.

00:09:10.000 There's probably things you said last week.

00:09:12.000 Last night, probably.

00:09:13.000 Yeah.

00:09:14.000 Always. 0.99

00:09:15.000 But we need that idea of people just saying shit and letting it upset people and other people are going to laugh at it. 0.98

00:09:22.000 We so desperately need it now because it has led, the inability to do that these days has led to everything that's happening in our country right now related to politics and media and everything. 0.99

00:09:33.000 You're right.

00:09:34.000 There's a blowback, right?

00:09:36.000 Massive.

00:09:36.000 If you go too far left, the alt-right emerges.

00:09:40.000 Yeah.

00:09:40.000 And I think the more loony we get in terms of, like, gender pronouns...

00:09:44.000 There's 58 now, by the way.

00:09:46.000 58 gender pronouns.

00:09:48.000 Yeah.

00:09:48.000 I didn't check the internet this morning.

00:09:50.000 I think they only recognized 31 in New York that you could be sued $250,000 for, or fined. 0.99

00:09:56.000 What if it's fucking fiasco? 0.98

00:09:57.000 It's wonderful. 1.00

00:09:58.000 It's wonderful.

00:09:59.000 We're going to look back at this and laugh.

00:10:01.000 As long as you're not one of the person who gets fined $250,000.

00:10:03.000 And I don't think anybody's ever been hit with that yet. 0.94

00:10:06.000 I think that's more like horseshit. 0.55

00:10:10.000 But it's not even about the fine as much as what it does to us as people. 0.89

00:10:14.000 That it puts the idea in your mind.

00:10:17.000 Look, if I was walking down the street and I saw a guy and I said, hey, how you doing, man?

00:10:21.000 And then I realized it was a woman, I would kind of feel bad. 1.00

00:10:25.000 But that's life.

00:10:26.000 Like, that's life.

00:10:27.000 We're trying to, through words and trickery and now legal means, we're trying to dumb everyone down to the point that we can't even think for ourselves.

00:10:36.000 If you look at somebody and you think they're a man and you say, dude...

00:10:41.000 That's not evil.

00:10:42.000 Right.

00:10:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:10:43.000 And not every person that transitions, transitions perfectly and someone might be in the middle of it or whatever.

00:10:49.000 Or there might just be a guy who looks like...

00:10:51.000 There's guys that look like women and there's women that look like guys. 1.00

00:10:54.000 You know what's ironic about this?

00:10:55.000 It's not really a trans issue.

00:10:57.000 Because if you talk to trans people, most women who transition to men want to be called men. 0.98

00:11:02.000 And most men who transition to women want to be called women.

00:11:05.000 They assume gender pronouns. 0.51

00:11:08.000 Like a guy who becomes a woman wants to use he or wants to use she or her. 0.99

00:11:13.000 So it's not them.

00:11:15.000 It's just nonsense is what it is.

00:11:17.000 And it's nonsense that comes out of universities. 0.77

00:11:19.000 It's this weird Marxism thing that's going on. 0.98

00:11:22.000 It's this very strange leftist It's so deranged.

00:11:28.000 I went to, I know you've had Milo on here, and he's become like this cultural thing.

00:11:33.000 It's like he's sort of become something beyond himself at this point.

00:11:36.000 Well, it's the Streisand effect.

00:11:37.000 Yeah.

00:11:37.000 They keep silencing him.

00:11:39.000 And when you silence a guy who, first of all, what they silenced him for was so unwarranted.

00:11:44.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:11:45.000 Because when you remove someone on Twitter for just a harmless joke that's very similar to the jokes that Leslie Jones makes about her own self, She's got a goddamn commercial where she pulls up. 1.00

00:11:56.000 A Geico commercial, I think it is. 0.71

00:11:57.000 What is that commercial where she pulls up to someone? 1.00

00:11:59.000 I don't know what it is.

00:12:00.000 But she pulls up to a guy.

00:12:02.000 She's like, you want my number? 0.96

00:12:03.000 And the guy's like, get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:12:05.000 It's like an obvious joke about her being unattractive. 1.00

00:12:08.000 And she's perpetrating that joke. 1.00

00:12:10.000 That is what it is.

00:12:11.000 I mean, if you do that same joke with, you know, fill in the blank, what's that girl, Sofia Vergara or something like that, the joke doesn't work.

00:12:18.000 Makes no sense. 1.00

00:12:18.000 She's hot as fuck, and then the guy would be like, oh yeah. 1.00

00:12:21.000 But when Leslie Jones does it, the reason why that joke works is because they're implying that she's unattractive. 1.00

00:12:26.000 So all Milo said is something about her being a man or looking like a man or something like that, and that was enough.

00:12:32.000 Well, what's particularly interesting about what happened to him is that they claimed, I think, when Twitter finally said a little something about it, that it was because of targeted harassment.

00:12:40.000 That Milo had unleashed his followers on her.

00:12:43.000 Now, first off...

00:12:45.000 You don't control all your followers.

00:12:47.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:47.000 If you got into a fight with somebody, if Joe Rogan got into a fight with somebody on Twitter, you can't control what your followers do.

00:12:53.000 So that's number one.

00:12:54.000 Number two, she had done that before.

00:12:58.000 There are instances, people had screen captured things, where she had gotten into fights with trolly type people, not public people, and said, guys, get them.

00:13:05.000 So she had actually instigated mobs, but it's okay for all the politically correct reasons, it's okay when she does it. 1.00

00:13:11.000 Well, not only had she done that, she had said things about white people specifically, like white people.

00:13:18.000 Specifically mocking white people or saying things about white people.

00:13:22.000 Whereas you can't do that the other way. 0.52

00:13:26.000 There's also this very bizarre thing that people keep saying, is that black people can't be racist against white people, because racism only works when someone's in a position of power. 0.99

00:13:36.000 Guess fucking what? 0.98

00:13:37.000 If you have millions of followers and you're super famous and you say things about any white person, you have a position of power. 0.99

00:13:45.000 Not only does she have a position of power, but by that fight happening, she got more powerful. 0.98

00:13:51.000 Her star rose.

00:13:53.000 So by damaging free speech, whether you like Milo or not...

00:13:57.000 She then elevated her own status. 0.86

00:13:59.000 I actually, I've never interacted with her.

00:14:01.000 I've never even seen Ghostbusters.

00:14:03.000 I don't even watch SNL. I don't even know what she's really done or anything about her.

00:14:06.000 But when the whole thing was going down, I went to tweet at her to say, come on my show.

00:14:09.000 I like Milo, but I'm all about free speech.

00:14:12.000 I'd love to have you on.

00:14:13.000 She has me blocked.

00:14:14.000 She blocked you? 0.78

00:14:15.000 I don't know, it's like a mass block thing.

00:14:17.000 Maybe you block people associated with Milo or something.

00:14:19.000 But the point is, I have nothing against her in any way.

00:14:23.000 We're just talking about this specific thing, and I was going to invite her on my show, and it's like, well...

00:14:27.000 Well, you're a nice guy. 0.97

00:14:28.000 That's so cowardly. 1.00

00:14:29.000 It's so foolish. 1.00

00:14:30.000 And I like Leslie. 0.99

00:14:31.000 I think she's funny as hell.

00:14:32.000 I think she's hilarious.

00:14:33.000 I even enjoyed her in Ghostbusters, although Milo is correct. 1.00

00:14:37.000 Most of that movie was a piece of shit. 1.00

00:14:38.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:38.000 I thought the movie started out really funny, but what he was saying was that it was a ridiculous feminist version of Ghostbusters, where all the men are complete buffoons and failures, and all the women save the day. 1.00

00:14:50.000 And it just wasn't a good movie. 0.93

00:14:52.000 It wasn't well designed, and it was kind of a slap in the face to men, and that was his whole commentary on it.

00:14:57.000 It was very eloquently written, maybe a little bit bitchy, but that's his whole thing.

00:15:02.000 It certainly wasn't targeted harassment.

00:15:05.000 It was a review of art.

00:15:07.000 Yeah, well look, the point is that even if he had been harassing her and said, guys, get her!

00:15:12.000 First off, it's just Twitter.

00:15:13.000 But if he did do that, I could understand them saying, we don't want our platform used for that.

00:15:18.000 Sure, so that's up to their terms of service.

00:15:20.000 So there's obviously a difference between, of course, the First Amendment, which is the government stopping you from speaking, and what a private company can do.

00:15:26.000 Yeah.

00:15:26.000 Ironically though, all these people on the left that were thrilled or had no problem with Milo being banned, they're the same people that wanted to force that baker in Indiana to bake the cake for the gay wedding.

00:15:35.000 Yeah.

00:15:35.000 So they're okay with private companies doing things when it's the things that they want them to do, like get rid of a conservative, right?

00:15:42.000 But they wanted to force that baker. 0.70

00:15:44.000 I'm gay married, right? 0.53

00:15:45.000 Yeah.

00:15:45.000 So I wouldn't force that baker to do it.

00:15:48.000 Well, you know what's funny?

00:15:50.000 Why would I want the government to say you have to do something with your private business? 0.99

00:15:54.000 No, I'll go to another fucking baker. 0.99

00:15:55.000 Of course. 0.99

00:15:56.000 And not only that, that wasn't an organic situation.

00:15:58.000 They set that up.

00:16:00.000 They went specifically and targeted bakers to try to make a case for this.

00:16:05.000 And then they went to a Christian baker and finally found one who said no. 0.83

00:16:09.000 And that was the one they went after.

00:16:11.000 You know, I mean, look, I don't agree with that guy not being able to make that cake.

00:16:14.000 I feel like you shouldn't go and do business at that guy's place if that's the kind of person he is.

00:16:19.000 But what they're doing is they're trying to target that guy.

00:16:23.000 But would you want the government to force him to do that?

00:16:26.000 No.

00:16:26.000 I think the market should dictate whether or not someone...

00:16:30.000 I mean, I think alerting people is a good thing.

00:16:33.000 Absolutely.

00:16:33.000 But having the government dictate that these people have to make that cake, that's kind of...

00:16:37.000 That's kind of crazy.

00:16:38.000 So that's what's happened to the left, basically.

00:16:41.000 The left has gone from liberalism, using logic and thinking and information, basically, to make decisions, to inform your decisions.

00:16:50.000 And usually liberals err on the side of the other.

00:16:53.000 So in this case, they think they're protecting the gays.

00:16:56.000 Right?

00:16:57.000 Like, we want gays to get cakes where everyone else gets cakes, so we're going to help the gays. 0.98

00:17:00.000 But what they've done is, all they're doing is expanding state power. 0.96

00:17:04.000 They're expanding control.

00:17:06.000 Let the market decide.

00:17:07.000 Sure, use your free speech.

00:17:10.000 Protest outside.

00:17:11.000 Tweet about it.

00:17:11.000 Say, don't go there.

00:17:12.000 There's a Baker 2000. Right.

00:17:13.000 Two blocks over.

00:17:14.000 Go there. 1.00

00:17:14.000 Especially if you're gay. 1.00

00:17:15.000 Use your money wisely.

00:17:17.000 Support people that support your community.

00:17:19.000 Of course.

00:17:20.000 But that's a thing for everything.

00:17:21.000 That's for rude people. 1.00

00:17:23.000 That's for assholes, for people who are shitty to you, for people who are... 1.00

00:17:28.000 It's just for people who rip you off. 1.00

00:17:31.000 I mean, it's kind of along the same lines.

00:17:32.000 Let the market decide.

00:17:34.000 Let the market decide.

00:17:34.000 Of course, if you don't like Joe's show, you don't like Ruben's show, you don't watch.

00:17:38.000 Yeah, there's plenty of shows.

00:17:39.000 Don't tell people that you don't like it.

00:17:41.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:17:42.000 Yeah, and that's quite all right, but don't try to shut us down.

00:17:45.000 Don't try to go to YouTube and strike us or whatever other thing there is, but that's what's...

00:17:49.000 The left is doing this now, and that's why I talk about the left all the time, because I'm liberal, and I'm watching my guys ban speakers.

00:17:56.000 I'm watching my guys de-platform people.

00:17:58.000 I'm watching my guys try to close restaurants, and it's like, now you're moralizing the same way You've mocked the Christian right for all these years.

00:18:06.000 Yeah, it gets to a point where you wonder if it's going to swing back the other way.

00:18:11.000 I've been saying for a while...

00:18:12.000 We'll find out tomorrow.

00:18:13.000 Yeah, right?

00:18:14.000 Isn't that great?

00:18:15.000 It's tomorrow?

00:18:15.000 God.

00:18:16.000 I've been saying for a while that I think Caitlyn Jenner created Donald Trump.

00:18:20.000 Not really, but created this thing.

00:18:23.000 I mean, I think there was a thing, there was a tipping point.

00:18:26.000 And for me, it was when they gave her Woman of the Year and Glamour magazine and then ESPN gave her...

00:18:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:18:56.000 The fuck is this? 1.00

00:18:57.000 We need to make America great again! 1.00

00:18:59.000 Yes!

00:18:59.000 You know, I never linked it that specifically, but I think you're totally right.

00:19:02.000 Even right now, when I've been watching, you know, NBA season just started, and I love basketball.

00:19:06.000 Every time I turn on TNT now, it's Barkley and Kenny Smith and Shaq and Ernie Johnson talking about race.

00:19:12.000 They're not talking about basketball.

00:19:13.000 They're talking about race.

00:19:14.000 They're talking about policing.

00:19:15.000 Those are all important issues to talk about.

00:19:18.000 But people go to sports...

00:19:20.000 For the release.

00:19:22.000 They go to sports because they care about the athletes and what's happening on the field and in the boxing match, whatever it is.

00:19:26.000 And now everything is becoming politicized.

00:19:30.000 So ESPN is giving their athlete of the year to Caitlyn Jenner.

00:19:33.000 It makes no freaking sense.

00:19:34.000 Or why are the NFL ratings down?

00:19:36.000 It's because people are talking about Kaepernick and politics instead of...

00:19:41.000 Sports.

00:19:41.000 Does that make the ratings go down, really?

00:19:43.000 Is the ratings down?

00:19:44.000 Well, the ratings are hugely down in the NFL this year, and a lot of people are linking that.

00:19:46.000 I don't know it empirically.

00:19:48.000 I wouldn't be shocked if there's a lot of people in this country just have zero tolerance.

00:19:52.000 I mean, it's almost like separation of church and state.

00:19:54.000 Yeah.

00:19:54.000 They would like their sports to just be sports and about sports.

00:19:58.000 Yeah.

00:19:58.000 You know, and I kind of appreciate that in a certain way, because it's like if you were watching a comedy show, and all of a sudden, during that comedy show, they started deeply discussing religion.

00:20:06.000 Right.

00:20:06.000 Like, really, like, discussing...

00:20:10.000 Deep intricacies of different faith-based cultures. 0.99

00:20:13.000 You'd be like, what the fuck am I watching? 0.99

00:20:14.000 This is not comedy. 0.99

00:20:15.000 Right, do it funny, sure.

00:20:17.000 But once you turn that thing, now you're doing something else.

00:20:20.000 Right, you're doing a different thing.

00:20:21.000 You're not doing sports.

00:20:22.000 You're doing race relations.

00:20:24.000 But I understand that it's also, they look at it as a platform for our culture, and that's what Kaepernick did.

00:20:30.000 He said, look, I have this platform.

00:20:32.000 And in some ways, I think what he did kind of worked.

00:20:36.000 Because a lot of kids in high school now are doing that.

00:20:39.000 They're taking knees in the national, you know, when they do the national anthem.

00:20:42.000 It's strange.

00:20:43.000 But it's also like the black, like when people had the black fist at the Olympics. 0.87

00:20:48.000 Who were those dudes that did that in the 1960s?

00:20:51.000 I think it was 71 maybe.

00:20:52.000 Was it 71?

00:20:52.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:20:53.000 72. Whatever that was.

00:20:55.000 I mean, that got people talking.

00:20:57.000 This gets people talking too.

00:20:58.000 And maybe sometimes you need to kind of inject some sort of something to think about.

00:21:04.000 Yeah.

00:21:04.000 During sporting events.

00:21:05.000 I'm not telling them not to do it.

00:21:07.000 Of course, Kaepernick wants to do that.

00:21:09.000 Go ahead.

00:21:10.000 These guys, if Barkley and all of them want to, if their TNT bosses are okay with it, and they go, well, you know, you can do that instead of talking about how many points Durant had, then so be it.

00:21:18.000 But I'm just saying what I think most people want from sports is an escape.

00:21:22.000 Yeah.

00:21:23.000 And I can tell you for sure.

00:21:24.000 In the two or three weeks that the NBA season's been gone, every time I flip by TNT and they're doing that, I change it.

00:21:30.000 I love those guys.

00:21:31.000 I think that show, in many ways, is an incredible social experiment, not just a sports experiment.

00:21:37.000 I don't know what the show is.

00:21:38.000 You know, it's the after show on TNT. I don't watch basketball.

00:21:41.000 So it's Barkley, who's obviously completely outspoken and incredible, and Kenny Smith, who also is, and Shaq, and Ernie Johnson's the token white guy in the equation.

00:21:50.000 I love token white guys. 0.51

00:21:52.000 But they're all really great in their rhythm with each other.

00:21:56.000 For four guys to sit there and do it, they've been doing it for probably 15 years.

00:22:00.000 Shaq's newer to it.

00:22:01.000 But anyway...

00:22:03.000 I'd go to ESPN or TNT for sports, not for that.

00:22:08.000 Right, and there's plenty to talk about in sports.

00:22:09.000 There's all these players, all these plays, all these games, so much is riding on each event.

00:22:14.000 Yeah, so I'm not begrudging them any of the legitimate things that you're talking about.

00:22:17.000 Of course, the athletes can do whatever they want to express themselves in any way, but once that starts becoming more of what you're talking about than the sports, that's why people start tuning out.

00:22:27.000 Well, again, the market's deciding, right? 0.99

00:22:29.000 And if their ratings go down because of this, I guess maybe someone in the head office will go, hey guys, what the fuck? 0.99

00:22:35.000 Right. 0.99

00:22:35.000 And that's how it should be. 0.99

00:22:37.000 I mean, that's absolutely how it should be.

00:22:39.000 Yeah, it's a fascinating time.

00:22:41.000 And I think this is a side effect of everyone having a voice.

00:22:45.000 Because we all have voices now.

00:22:46.000 You know, I mean, this is the new world we live in.

00:22:49.000 The new world we live in is anyone can broadcast.

00:22:52.000 Anyone can get on Periscope and just start talking.

00:22:55.000 Don't tell everybody.

00:22:56.000 Anyone can!

00:22:57.000 Anyone can get on Twitter and just make a post about something.

00:23:00.000 I mean...

00:23:01.000 I've been telling my people I'm the only one that can do it.

00:23:03.000 What are you doing?

00:23:04.000 Do you remember that woman?

00:23:05.000 What was her name again?

00:23:06.000 The woman who wrote the post about AIDS on Twitter.

00:23:09.000 I'm going to Africa. 0.95

00:23:10.000 I hope I don't get AIDS. LOL. Just kidding. 0.99

00:23:12.000 I'm white.

00:23:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:13.000 She was just a nobody PR person.

00:23:15.000 Nobody knew who she was before that. 0.98

00:23:17.000 I can't remember her name.

00:23:17.000 Justine Sacco, right?

00:23:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:19.000 Is that it?

00:23:19.000 I think that's it.

00:23:20.000 Yeah.

00:23:20.000 But that sort of event, it's like that's the beginning.

00:23:25.000 It's the first pop of the kernel when you start making popcorn and you hear that first pop...

00:23:30.000 Yeah.

00:23:30.000 Pop, pop, [...

00:23:32.000 We're culturally about to fucking jiffy pop the fuck out of this thing. 0.99

00:23:36.000 That's what's happening. 0.99

00:23:38.000 Yeah, you're so- It's all going nuts.

00:23:39.000 You know, I remember when that Sacco thing happened, and so basically she said that joke, she gets on a plane, she disappears for, what, eight, ten hours or something?

00:23:47.000 Yeah.

00:24:07.000 Tweeted a bad joke, basically. 1.00

00:24:09.000 A really tasteless, stupid thought. 1.00

00:24:12.000 Her life is going to be destroyed. 1.00

00:24:13.000 Why would I add to that?

00:24:15.000 So I really tried to make a conscious decision to just be like, you know, and I do that now and again with certain news things where I'm like, this one I'm gonna sit out because this gang mentality You didn't know who that was before.

00:24:28.000 Nobody knew who this woman was before. 1.00

00:24:29.000 But so one random person said something that I didn't like? 0.98

00:24:33.000 We must destroy her.

00:24:34.000 So you're right. 0.99

00:24:36.000 That's the first pop.

00:24:37.000 And now these pops are happening all over the place. 0.93

00:24:39.000 Which, by the way, is why I think what Peter Thiel did with Hogan and Gawker is fucking phenomenal. 0.89

00:24:45.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:24:45.000 Yes, I agree. 0.93

00:24:46.000 Phenomenal.

00:24:47.000 I agree.

00:24:47.000 Because there's some violent and aggressive invasion of privacy that's going on with companies that are trying to make a lot of money by doing that.

00:24:57.000 And that's one of the things that a lot of people thought about Gawker.

00:24:59.000 Yeah.

00:25:06.000 Donald Trump's hair is a very expensive weave.

00:25:09.000 I read it and they had like a diagram of showing how it like veers around and like that there's an office in Trump Tower.

00:25:16.000 Yes!

00:25:16.000 That does that.

00:25:17.000 That it's one floor below his and the office doesn't have a website anymore and they've been doing this procedure for like a long time.

00:25:26.000 Yeah.

00:25:26.000 And it's like they essentially, they take a hair and then they find whatever hairs you have and they sort of tie this hair onto your hair.

00:25:36.000 Yeah.

00:25:36.000 Like one hair at a time.

00:25:38.000 It's like some crazy eight-hour procedure.

00:25:40.000 And the speculation is that the entire business revolves around maintaining his hair in that manner now.

00:25:46.000 As someone who...

00:25:48.000 Is bald?

00:25:49.000 Is bald.

00:25:49.000 Thank you.

00:25:50.000 I was going to try to do something phallically challenged or... 0.93

00:25:53.000 I've had hair transplants.

00:25:54.000 I went the full route.

00:25:55.000 Oh, right.

00:25:55.000 You did.

00:25:55.000 Yeah.

00:25:55.000 Years ago.

00:25:56.000 I have a big smile scar in the back of my head from...

00:25:59.000 You let them chop out a piece of the back of your head and they tried to put it up front.

00:26:03.000 Yeah, the way I describe it is like they take some people that are really healthy and they move them into a neighborhood where everyone's dying.

00:26:11.000 That's funny.

00:26:12.000 Yeah.

00:26:12.000 Well, I was, you know, when I did it, I was in my late 20s and I was just on television and I was panicking because my hair was falling out.

00:26:20.000 I was like, oh my god, my career is just getting started and I'm going to lose it all because I was thinking very probably correctly that a lot of my success was predicated on my appearance. 0.95

00:26:30.000 And I was like, if this goes, if I go bald, I'm fucked. 0.94

00:26:34.000 No one had shaved heads back then in the 90s either. 0.98

00:26:36.000 If they did, it was very rare.

00:26:38.000 And so I went through all this.

00:26:40.000 But it helped.

00:26:41.000 It definitely gave me, like, thicker hair.

00:26:42.000 But it was too much work.

00:26:46.000 And eventually, I realized, like, it's so pointless.

00:26:49.000 And then when I shaved my head, it was, like, the most freeing feeling.

00:26:53.000 I was like, I like it better like this. 0.99

00:26:55.000 If I had hair right now, I'd fucking shave it. 0.99

00:26:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:26:58.000 I mean, I'm holding ground.

00:26:59.000 You look great.

00:27:00.000 Your hair looks wonderful.

00:27:02.000 Don't go hard on your hair.

00:27:03.000 But I used to have hair over here, you know, that's what happens as you age.

00:27:07.000 But I know for sure, there were times in my life when I was very stressed, and I'm not kidding you, I could feel it.

00:27:12.000 Could you feel it when you were losing hair?

00:27:14.000 Could you feel it at times?

00:27:15.000 Coming out?

00:27:16.000 No, I just noticed.

00:27:18.000 Almost like a, not literally like each individual thing, but almost like a, I could feel my tension there, basically.

00:27:24.000 Oh, no.

00:27:24.000 Maybe that was just psychological.

00:27:26.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:27:27.000 Maybe your hair is completely connected to your emotions.

00:27:30.000 This is why I don't smoke pot anymore, because that's what I would think about.

00:27:32.000 I'd smoke pot and go, wait a minute, what's going on up there?

00:27:34.000 Really?

00:27:35.000 Yeah, that's the rub on the pot, right? 1.00

00:27:38.000 Whatever's fucking with you. 1.00

00:27:39.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.99

00:27:40.000 That's why I like the sativa, the indica.

00:27:43.000 I like pot for that reason, though. 0.98

00:27:44.000 I want to know what's fucking with me. 0.98

00:27:46.000 Yeah, I don't want to know. 1.00

00:27:47.000 It's like that old joke that Kinison used to have about, they say every man's got a homosexual fantasy.

00:27:52.000 He goes...

00:27:53.000 Well, I'm sitting around the other day going through my fantasies because if there's one in there, I want to know!

00:27:58.000 I want to know about it!

00:28:00.000 Yeah.

00:28:00.000 Did you find yours?

00:28:01.000 I didn't have one.

00:28:02.000 I looked.

00:28:03.000 It's not in there.

00:28:04.000 I'm so sorry for your people.

00:28:07.000 So when you see, so as someone that has shaved that feels good about it, as you said, it's like a burden off you. 1.00

00:28:12.000 I tell people all the time if the dudes are struggling, I'm like, just shave your fucking head. 1.00

00:28:15.000 So then doesn't Trump seem doubly ridiculous to you in a certain way? 1.00

00:28:18.000 Well, he's more than doubly ridiculous. 1.00

00:28:20.000 He's ridiculous in a million different ways. 0.98

00:28:21.000 But just on the hair front, really. 0.97

00:28:22.000 I mean, that's cliche, so we don't have to spend too much time talking about it. 0.99

00:28:25.000 But doesn't that, like as someone who shaved your head, you feel good about it, that he does this thing, this whatever the fuck it is. 0.99

00:28:31.000 Concoction. 0.97

00:28:31.000 He always says, it's my hair, it's my hair, which is sort of a cop-out, because yeah, they're probably doing something. 0.97

00:28:35.000 If you buy hair, it's still your hair.

00:28:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:37.000 But doesn't it seem doubly ridiculous then to someone like you, like, knowing that you shaved and you feel good and life goes on?

00:28:43.000 But I get it from a psychological standpoint.

00:28:45.000 I get it also as a person who likes to have control of their life.

00:28:49.000 You feel like that's one thing that really freaks people out about their hair.

00:28:54.000 Features and appearance is very bizarre, right?

00:28:58.000 Because I know this woman who recently got a nose job, and she was beautiful, and she decided that she didn't like her nose, and she got a little bit trimmed off.

00:29:06.000 It's kind of crazy, right?

00:29:07.000 But there's a weird thing where people decide that if my nose was one eighth of a millimeter smaller, I would feel better about myself.

00:29:15.000 I would feel better about my appearance.

00:29:17.000 But I've met people that have big noses.

00:29:20.000 No, she doesn't look any better.

00:29:21.000 She looked great before.

00:29:22.000 She looks great now.

00:29:23.000 It's just a weird thing that people do.

00:29:25.000 They fixate.

00:29:26.000 But what I was going to get at is, it's really strange what we decide looks good.

00:29:33.000 And that it's cultural in a lot of ways.

00:29:36.000 How about those, I think it's Suri women who decide they put those giant plates in their lips. 1.00

00:29:43.000 And the bigger the plate, the more cattle they're worth when they get married. 1.00

00:29:47.000 There's like fucking really bizarre cultures. 0.98

00:29:50.000 And it's an example of how human beings... 0.99

00:29:53.000 When isolated, for whatever reason, I mean, there's scarification rituals that many cultures go through where they'll cut pieces out of their skin to look like crocodiles.

00:30:03.000 Have you ever seen that, where they do their backs and men do it? 0.94

00:30:06.000 Yeah, they cut these chunks out of their back, and then they develop these keloid scars that pop up.

00:30:13.000 See if you can find that, Jamie.

00:30:15.000 Man.

00:30:15.000 Men with crocodile scarring.

00:30:18.000 But there's so many different scarification rituals.

00:30:22.000 And look at me.

00:30:22.000 I'm covered in tattoos.

00:30:23.000 There's like weird things that people do to their body and weird appearances that people choose to enjoy or not enjoy.

00:30:29.000 And it just gets very bizarre. 0.90

00:30:31.000 Like, what the fuck is hair? 0.98

00:30:34.000 Like, why is hair? 0.99

00:30:35.000 Here it is.

00:30:35.000 See that guy's back?

00:30:36.000 Oh, man.

00:30:37.000 Oh, I have seen that.

00:30:38.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:30:39.000 Yeah.

00:30:39.000 And they just cover their entire back.

00:30:42.000 It makes it look like a crocodile skin.

00:30:46.000 Wow.

00:30:46.000 Yeah.

00:30:47.000 Well, you know, Joy Behar used to say a phrase on The View, dare I quote The View, but Joy Behar used to say something that I always thought was great and it was really simple.

00:30:55.000 She used to say, it's an inside job.

00:30:57.000 That everything really is just an inside job.

00:30:59.000 So if you're walking around, your friend's walking around, and she thinks that this little, you know, beautiful woman, but she thinks this little millimeter, it bothers her for some reason.

00:31:07.000 It's an inside job.

00:31:09.000 Now, she may still have that same insecurity after, or maybe she exercised it. 0.75

00:31:13.000 You know, maybe it actually did do what it was supposed to do, but most of us are walking around. 0.98

00:31:17.000 The shit that we're walking around with is just an inside job, and it's your job as a human To exercise that stuff. 0.99

00:31:25.000 And that's... 1.00

00:31:26.000 I mean, I try to do it every day.

00:31:27.000 That's what trying to get better is all about.

00:31:29.000 And we fail at it constantly.

00:31:31.000 I fail every day.

00:31:32.000 But there's also, like, a certain amount of you that should be upset with the way you look so that you force yourself to go to the gym.

00:31:41.000 And it keeps you healthy.

00:31:42.000 I just moved out of West Hollywood.

00:31:43.000 We talked about this last time I was here.

00:31:45.000 You know, where every guy...

00:31:47.000 Perfect. 0.99

00:31:47.000 But they're disgusting. 0.99

00:31:49.000 But they're actually disgusting for the most part. 0.99

00:31:50.000 How so? 1.00

00:31:51.000 Because they're just fucking each other in the street like mad dogs? 1.00

00:31:54.000 Because you don't want to go to the steam room. 1.00

00:31:55.000 Oh, I know.

00:31:56.000 I just lived in West Hollywood for three years.

00:31:59.000 I went to the locker room in that gym, 24 Hour Fitness, once.

00:32:04.000 Dude, 24 Hour Fitness in West Hollywood is the one I always talk about.

00:32:07.000 My friend used to be the manager there. 1.00

00:32:09.000 I used to go to the 24 Hour- That poor bastard. 1.00

00:32:29.000 It was basically just a gay hookup spot. 1.00

00:32:33.000 The whole place, frankly, is disgusting. 1.00

00:32:37.000 But beyond just like that, just the sex or whatever, this idea that you have to look perfect, there's never enough. 0.98

00:32:45.000 And that's why, for me, it's like, that's why gay marriage was so important.

00:32:49.000 Not because of Whether you want to get married or not is irrelevant. 0.93

00:32:53.000 But the idea that all these people that could never get married, they had to stay in the rat race forever. 1.00

00:32:59.000 Imagine that.

00:33:00.000 If you always felt like you had to stay in the rat race. 0.99

00:33:02.000 Because the same equality of being in a relationship that was sanctioned by the state, as silly as that may all be at some level. 0.80

00:33:10.000 But the idea that you just had to stay in this race forever.

00:33:13.000 And then one day you're 50...

00:33:14.000 And you're trying to look like you're 20 because you're still in that race because you never found someone, whether it's a guy or a girl or whatever, that you can start maturing into some other thing with.

00:33:26.000 And that's why marriage equality was important to me.

00:33:29.000 Not whether someone actually gets married or not.

00:33:31.000 Milo and I have great debates on this.

00:33:33.000 But you've got to get out.

00:33:35.000 Because there's nothing sadder than those people that never stopped. 0.98

00:33:39.000 Well, sad to you on the outside, but if those people are on antidepressants and cocaine, they might be having a goddamn great time. 0.93

00:33:46.000 Believe me, they're happier than me. 0.91

00:33:47.000 They've got cash, expendable income.

00:33:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:50.000 They got hair plugs, and they're tanned beyond imagination.

00:33:53.000 They look good.

00:33:54.000 I'm not saying they don't look good.

00:33:55.000 But actually, they don't look that good.

00:33:56.000 Because their muscles are too big.

00:33:58.000 The shirts are too tight.

00:34:02.000 It's like, settle down, everybody.

00:34:03.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that going on.

00:34:06.000 You know, I used to work out at Gold's Gym on Cole, which is, you know where that is in West Hollywood?

00:34:11.000 It's like right down the street from Sunset and Gower Studios.

00:34:14.000 Oh, okay.

00:34:14.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:15.000 We used to do news radio at Sunset and Gower.

00:34:17.000 And so there was a Gold's Gym down the street.

00:34:19.000 And I'm like, oh, well, I'll just make a membership there.

00:34:21.000 That way over at lunch, I could just shoot over, get a workout in real quick and get by.

00:34:25.000 Because I had just gotten used to, like, set life.

00:34:28.000 Like, life on the set on a new sitcom.

00:34:30.000 You're working...

00:34:31.000 At a minimum, if the sitcom's not going well, like, news radio wasn't really going well in terms of, like, we're trying to find its legs in the early days, and we would work 12, 14 hours a day, and it was really hard to do stand-up at night, and it was really hard to work out. 0.99

00:34:45.000 I was like, goddamn, man. 0.96

00:34:46.000 And same with, like, my hair. 1.00

00:34:47.000 I was like, shit, I gotta stay in shape. 0.98

00:34:49.000 You know, like, there was a lot of scenes on news radio where I had to take my shirt off. 0.99

00:34:52.000 That was, like, kind of a part of who I was.

00:34:54.000 Right.

00:34:54.000 I don't want them to replace me.

00:34:55.000 I better fucking keep going to the gym. 0.99

00:34:57.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:34:57.000 And plus I'm vain. 0.99

00:34:59.000 So anyway, I went over to this Gold's Gym, and I didn't know that that was exactly like the 24 Hour Fitness in West Hollywood. 0.75

00:35:05.000 It was just a gay disco. 0.98

00:35:06.000 I used to feel like a tasty little morsel in a big homo stew. 1.00

00:35:10.000 I would walk in there, like a wounded antelope, trailing up to the waterhole, and there was all these dudes with like scrunchy socks, like from fucking Olivia Newton-John, Let's Get Physical, and they would have Timberlands on and cut off jeans. 0.98

00:35:22.000 Yeah, these people... 0.91

00:35:23.000 What are you wearing?

00:35:24.000 Animals. 1.00

00:35:25.000 Just fucking big, yoked up, steroided up dudes, just gayer than the day is long. 1.00

00:35:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:35:30.000 It was interesting, because it made me feel like what it must feel like to be a woman who's not interested in getting hit on, who goes to the gym. 0.99

00:35:38.000 Yeah, well, when I first moved to West Hollywood, I first was intimidated by it because I was like, you know, I'm at this gym with all these, like, huge, muscly whatever. 0.60

00:35:46.000 And then as time went on, I started enjoying it because I was like, this is actually ridiculous.

00:35:51.000 It's a comedy.

00:35:51.000 Yeah, it really is a comedy.

00:35:53.000 So if you take it just at that, which that's the level you were taking it at, you'd walk in there and go, look at this idiot in timber. 0.99

00:35:57.000 Who worked out in Timberlands? 0.99

00:35:59.000 But you're not kidding.

00:35:59.000 They actually do.

00:36:00.000 With scrunchy socks.

00:36:01.000 It's like, what are you, are you building a log cabin or working out?

00:36:05.000 They're sending, rather, a very clear message. 1.00

00:36:08.000 They're looking for some dick. 1.00

00:36:10.000 This is how you get it. 1.00

00:36:11.000 With Timberland?

00:36:11.000 You're going to throw that flag up.

00:36:13.000 Timberland?

00:36:13.000 The Daisy Dukes are important.

00:36:15.000 There's no subtlety in Daisy Dukes.

00:36:18.000 No, there isn't. 0.99

00:36:19.000 If you've got Daisy Dukes on, whether you're a guy or a girl, you're looking for dick. 0.99

00:36:21.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:36:22.000 That's the universal flag of I'm looking for dick. 0.99

00:36:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:36:25.000 I've got to get some new shorts. 0.99

00:36:29.000 There's something about the Daisy Dukes, right?

00:36:31.000 Yeah.

00:36:31.000 And when guys started to adopt them, it's like, whoa, alright, buddy.

00:36:35.000 But that all goes to, like, nobody cares.

00:36:38.000 Like, all of this stuff about, when we talk about gay marriage or any of this stuff, it's like, enough already. 0.95

00:36:42.000 It's there.

00:36:43.000 It exists.

00:36:45.000 I should say one thing. 0.99

00:36:46.000 I support you doing whatever the fuck you want to do. 1.00

00:36:48.000 If you want to wear Daisy Dukes and fuck a bunch of dudes, who cares? 1.00

00:36:52.000 Go have fun. 1.00

00:36:53.000 This is a short experience.

00:36:56.000 I'm 49 years old, so I'm almost 50, which is, if everything goes great, I'm halfway dead.

00:37:01.000 And it's probably not going to go that great.

00:37:03.000 All the acid and pot and all that jazz.

00:37:05.000 Have a little faith in some of the robotics that are coming and some of the gene stuff.

00:37:09.000 I do.

00:37:09.000 But I mean, realistically, I don't want to plan on that.

00:37:12.000 But you got some dough, so you're on the good side of it.

00:37:15.000 I'm on the good side of it. 0.99

00:37:16.000 But there's also issues like fucking asteroids, super volcanoes. 0.99

00:37:19.000 Zombie invasion, alien attack. 1.00

00:37:21.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:37:21.000 Who knows what the fuck's going to go down in the next couple of decades. 0.98

00:37:24.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:37:25.000 My point is, this is a short ride.

00:37:27.000 It's not that long.

00:37:28.000 It seems like it's a long time when you're young, because when you're 22, you look at 80, you're like, God, that's so far away.

00:37:35.000 But when you're 50 and you look at 80, you're like, yo, that's around the corner.

00:37:38.000 A year is not that long.

00:37:40.000 It just seems long when you've only gone through 20 of them in your whole life.

00:37:44.000 You're like, wow, it's so long.

00:37:46.000 I can't wait until I'm 21. And then all of a sudden, you look back and you go, oh, this thing happened in the blink of an eye.

00:37:54.000 Yeah.

00:37:54.000 My, from 30 to 40, which I turned this year, went so fast.

00:37:58.000 I mean, I remember my 30th birthday, and I remember thinking, wow, now I'm not a kid anymore.

00:38:04.000 Because you can push it into your 20s, right?

00:38:06.000 You can get through your 20s and still think you're somehow not an adult, maybe. 1.00

00:38:10.000 But 30, then you go, well, shit. 0.99

00:38:12.000 And now it's like, wow, I just turned 40. And it's like... 1.00

00:38:16.000 Now it's like, this is real.

00:38:17.000 This is really real.

00:38:19.000 You're in it.

00:38:20.000 But I think the key is to not even concentrate on that.

00:38:23.000 To be aware of it, to recognize it, to address it. 0.86

00:38:26.000 But just concentrate on, and this is such a fucking cliche statement, but I try to say it as much as possible. 0.83

00:38:32.000 Living in the moment. 0.96

00:38:33.000 Just being here in the moment.

00:38:35.000 Taking care of your biology, you know, respect your meat vehicle, take care of that thing, but try to enjoy this thing and live in the moment. 0.80

00:38:42.000 And the more you don't live in the moment, the more you get caught up in bullshit, the more it gets away from you. 1.00

00:38:48.000 And then anxiety and nonsense and all this stupidity. 1.00

00:38:51.000 And that kind of goes back to Trump with his fucking wacky hair. 1.00

00:38:54.000 Like you're not living in the moment if you're a 70 year old guy and you're spraying your hair down with a fucking gallon of Aquanet before you go out and everybody knows what you're doing. 1.00

00:39:03.000 Everybody knows what you're doing. 0.99

00:39:04.000 That's the piece.

00:39:05.000 That's the piece.

00:39:06.000 It's like everyone knows something. 1.00

00:39:08.000 Shave that fucking head. 1.00

00:39:09.000 You're worth 18 billion dollars, whatever the hell he's... 1.00

00:39:11.000 Maybe he's not really worth that much, right?

00:39:13.000 We have no freaking clue.

00:39:14.000 Just...

00:39:15.000 I'd like to do it with him.

00:39:17.000 Come on, dude.

00:39:17.000 I'll do it.

00:39:17.000 Imagine if he did that today.

00:39:19.000 Imagine if he did it today, one day before the election.

00:39:22.000 Yeah.

00:39:22.000 He'd win in a landslide.

00:39:23.000 Maybe.

00:39:24.000 There would be such positive will towards him.

00:39:27.000 Bald guys would go, yes! 1.00

00:39:30.000 He's one of us!

00:39:31.000 Larry David would endorse him.

00:39:32.000 I mean, it would be huge.

00:39:34.000 Well, I'm curious as to the backlash against Trump.

00:39:38.000 Not the current backlash against Trump, but when it's going to come from other people.

00:39:42.000 Because people, whenever someone is perceived to be a bully, whether he is or not, you can make your own choice, your own decision about that.

00:39:50.000 But I think he is.

00:39:51.000 And a lot of people think he is.

00:39:53.000 And I think that's also probably one of the reasons why he's been so successful is because he's so ruthlessly competitive and he thinks of himself so highly.

00:39:59.000 And those sort of traits, like narcissistic traits, are oftentimes very prevalent in people that are successful in business.

00:40:07.000 Like really successful like he is.

00:40:08.000 When he puts his name on everything and he's branded everything and everything's Trump this and Trump that.

00:40:12.000 He has no notion whatsoever of staying low-key.

00:40:16.000 Well, when you fight against, like, he's really mad at Alec Baldwin and SNL for doing what I think is hilarious.

00:40:23.000 Yeah.

00:40:24.000 And very, it's really well done. 1.00

00:40:26.000 Like, that thing that they do, grab him by the pussy. 1.00

00:40:29.000 You know, he does that, Alec Baldwin's best work, I think, since fucking... 1.00

00:40:34.000 Yeah, right? 0.97

00:40:35.000 Well, what was the one?

00:40:36.000 Glen Ross. 1.00

00:40:37.000 Probably his best work since the coffee is foreclosers line has been this shit. 0.99

00:40:41.000 I mean, it's funny. 0.99

00:40:43.000 And he gets angry.

00:40:45.000 Like, Jon Stewart did a bit.

00:40:47.000 He was doing this stand-up for veterans for some sort of a benefit.

00:40:52.000 And he did this bit where he started reading off these Twitter exchanges between him and Donald Trump.

00:40:58.000 That Donald Trump just started tweeting at him.

00:41:00.000 In the middle of the night.

00:41:02.000 A tweet from 1.30 in the morning.

00:41:05.000 Have you seen this?

00:41:06.000 I mean, I probably have seen some of them.

00:41:08.000 It's brand new.

00:41:09.000 This stand-up bit.

00:41:10.000 Oh, okay.

00:41:10.000 So, no, I haven't seen it yet.

00:41:11.000 Let's pull it up, Jamie, because I think Jon Stewart...

00:41:15.000 I think we could actually play this on...

00:41:16.000 I'm friends with Jon Stewart.

00:41:17.000 I'm sure he'd let us play it.

00:41:19.000 Because I think he'd also agree that this is kind of important.

00:41:22.000 Like, it just shows you, it's not whether or not Donald Trump's conservative approach and make America great again and not letting in terrorists and all that stuff.

00:41:32.000 All the things you may or may not agree with.

00:41:33.000 We're just talking about from a psychological standpoint, from looking at him as a human being.

00:41:38.000 Like, there's something off here.

00:41:41.000 There's something incorrect about his thinking.

00:41:44.000 Well, that's, you're hitting a lot of the stuff, so we can do this. 0.87

00:41:48.000 Let's watch this, because it's pretty fucking funny. 0.99

00:41:52.000 Let's find out somebody was tweeting weird shit about me. 0.99

00:41:57.000 Okay. 0.99

00:41:59.000 So on April 24th, 2013, at 11am, someone comes into my office and says, Donald Trump just tweeted, I promise you, I'm much smarter than Jonathan Leibowitz.

00:42:15.000 I mean Jon Stewart, who by the way, is totally overrated.

00:42:22.000 Now I'm gonna say something to you.

00:42:24.000 This is real.

00:42:26.000 And I don't necessarily disagree with it. 0.99

00:42:35.000 So, I said, as you might say to yourself, what the fuck is that about? 0.98

00:42:43.000 So, we're not quite sure. 0.99

00:42:45.000 We can't quite figure it out.

00:42:46.000 So, A couple of days later, he tweets, as I've said many times before, Jon Stewart is highly overrated.

00:42:59.000 Then...

00:42:59.000 I swear this is true.

00:43:04.000 He tweets again, if Jon Stewart is so above it all and legit, why did he change his name from Jonathan Leibowitz?

00:43:12.000 He should be proud of his heritage.

00:43:16.000 Yeah, that guy wants to be president.

00:43:18.000 Okay, hold on, let me keep going. 0.60

00:43:19.000 Then he tweeted, John Stewie is a total phony.

00:43:22.000 He should cherish his past, not run from it.

00:43:28.000 So I start to think to myself, like, oh, I think this guy is trying to let people know I'm a Jew.

00:43:40.000 And I think to myself, like, doesn't my face do that?

00:43:47.000 Honestly, like, where have you seen this face other than a poster for Yentl?

00:43:53.000 In what world are people like, Stuart, that's a Scottish name, but there's something about that fella that looks a little schmeary. 0.98

00:44:07.000 It would be funny if it wasn't so toxically fucking crude and horrible, but... 0.98

00:44:12.000 So I decided to tweet back at him. 0.99

00:44:18.000 Many people don't know this, but Donald Trump's real name is Fuckface Von Clownstick. 0.92

00:44:31.000 I wish you would embrace the Von Clownstick heritage. 1.00

00:44:48.000 You remember, by the way, Lincoln used to get into this shit all the time. 0.99

00:44:56.000 I swear to God, this is true. 0.99

00:44:59.000 The man who will more than likely, given the FBI's preference, be our next president. 0.99

00:45:05.000 Then tweeted, Amazing how the haters and losers keep tweeting the name Fuckface Vaughn Clanstick. 0.98

00:45:19.000 Like they are so original and like no one else is doing. 0.98

00:45:25.000 What happened is it turned out a lot of people on Twitter picked up on the name Fuckface Vaughn Clanstick and started tweeting at it. 0.59

00:45:34.000 Then he tweets, what's funny about the name Fuckface Vonnervstick?

00:45:41.000 It was not coined by John Lebowitz. 1.00

00:45:44.000 He stole it from a moron on Twitter. 0.99

00:45:54.000 So I tweet back, we seem to have hit a Fuckface Vonnervstick. 1.00

00:46:11.000 Silence. 0.99

00:46:12.000 Radio silence. 0.99

00:46:15.000 Four days later, I shit you not, perhaps the next president of the greatest country in the world at 1.30 in the morning tweeted, 1.00

00:46:33.000 little Jon Stewart is a pussy. 1.00

00:46:45.000 And would be hopeless in a debate with me. 1.00

00:46:53.000 Vote wisely this November.

00:46:56.000 Well, that line at the end really says it all right there.

00:46:59.000 Vote wisely this November because this is where we're at now. 1.00

00:47:03.000 And Jon Stewart is a pussy. 1.00

00:47:05.000 That speaks volumes, too. 1.00

00:47:07.000 Like, who fucking tweets something like that? 0.99

00:47:09.000 What 70-year-old tweets something like that who's running for president? 0.99

00:47:12.000 Joe, I'm going to do something that's very difficult right now.

00:47:15.000 I'm going to try to defend Donald Trump for a second on this, which is he is using the system against itself.

00:47:23.000 So he's using the trolling tactics.

00:47:26.000 Ultimately, yes, that's all insane.

00:47:29.000 That's all completely, utterly insane. 0.91

00:47:31.000 Strange, like, anti-Semitic dog whistling, although it's as if Jon Stewart's hiding the fact that he's Jewish.

00:47:36.000 He talks about being Jewish every day. 0.94

00:47:37.000 There's so much bizarre lunacy in there in the comments, but...

00:47:40.000 My best defense of him is not that he... 0.91

00:47:43.000 Look, the guy's obviously a narcissist. 1.00

00:47:44.000 He obviously has some sort of personality disorder and all kinds of other shit. 0.99

00:47:47.000 And shady business practices and we don't know the taxes and all that stuff. 0.99

00:47:51.000 The defense I can give of him is that he's using the system against itself. 0.97

00:47:55.000 So all of this corrupt media bullshit, all of this political correctness, all of the outrage culture, all the stuff we've been talking about... 0.96

00:48:02.000 He purposely does it just to keep his name out there. 1.00

00:48:06.000 So these idiots, the lapdog media just keeps giving him free attention. 1.00

00:48:10.000 And then by giving him free attention, he doesn't have to spend the money that all the other candidates do. 1.00

00:48:16.000 Hillary's outspending him. 1.00

00:48:17.000 I don't know what the numbers are, but I bet you do something like 20 to 1. And it's like he's just using it.

00:48:22.000 So does he believe any of this stuff he's saying?

00:48:24.000 And is that morally wrong and ethically gross?

00:48:27.000 Sure.

00:48:49.000 I would probably vote for Romney.

00:48:51.000 Well, Romney did say binders of women, right?

00:48:55.000 Sure, but- But it was just, they took it out of context.

00:48:57.000 It was a talking point.

00:49:00.000 I mean, that's what politics is all about.

00:49:01.000 But what's important to know, first of all, I agree with you, and I think his use of really ridiculous statements and stuff is brilliant because he does force the media to report on some of the things he says.

00:49:10.000 But that was 2013. He wasn't running for president then.

00:49:13.000 Right.

00:49:13.000 No, so he has always used it for his own purposes, just to keep his own celebrity out there, right?

00:49:20.000 So everything he's done from any point that I can remember him from in the 80s to forward has been to further his own brand, his own empire, his own money, all of that stuff.

00:49:30.000 And now he's just...

00:49:31.000 He's doing exactly what the media has demanded in a weird way.

00:49:48.000 They're literally just waiting for him to tweet so that they can write the article about the outrage that the tweet caused.

00:49:54.000 They don't even wait for us to be outraged.

00:49:57.000 They just start.

00:49:58.000 So it's like he's just feeding them.

00:50:00.000 He's feeding the monster knowing it keeps getting more clicks.

00:50:03.000 The more clicks and views he gets, the more they'll want to talk about him, the more money it makes the networks.

00:50:08.000 It's like he really is just playing the game, really.

00:50:11.000 Well, he's playing the game brilliantly.

00:50:13.000 I mean, he's a great heel. 0.80

00:50:14.000 He does a great job at it.

00:50:15.000 Yeah, look, he loves wrestling.

00:50:17.000 I mean, he used to do stuff with the WWF, WWE. Because he gets that.

00:50:22.000 And that's what people are missing here.

00:50:24.000 So we can talk all about all the policies and whether he actually has a personality disorder and all that.

00:50:29.000 But in terms of the tactics...

00:50:31.000 He's just doing it.

00:50:32.000 You know, NBC, they invited me to go on Celebrity Apprentice back when we did the second version of Fear Factor, which I guess was like 2011 or 12 or something like that.

00:50:42.000 I forget what year it was.

00:50:44.000 And I should have done it.

00:50:45.000 I didn't want to do it because I would have had to move to New York for like three months.

00:50:48.000 But my family was down when they were like, let's do it. 0.99

00:50:51.000 And I was like, all right, maybe fuck that. 0.99

00:50:54.000 I kind of want to do that. 1.00

00:50:55.000 I'm like, I don't like shows.

00:50:59.000 Maybe if it was a show that I watched and enjoyed, but I never watched it.

00:51:02.000 But I wish I did now, because I would love to have some insight.

00:51:06.000 I'd love to be around that guy and pick his brain.

00:51:08.000 Because Jeff Ross was around him when they roasted him for Comedy Central, and he said the guy was very reasonable.

00:51:14.000 This is when they roasted him.

00:51:15.000 He signed up for the roast.

00:51:17.000 And Jeff had a conversation with him.

00:51:18.000 He's like, you know, when they turn to you and they're saying jokes about you, you should laugh.

00:51:22.000 Because it looks bad if you're just sitting there.

00:51:23.000 You're upset.

00:51:24.000 It'll make you look better if you laugh.

00:51:25.000 He's like, you're right.

00:51:27.000 He seemed very reasonable.

00:51:29.000 I think there's something about he's very concerned with perception, hence the hair.

00:51:33.000 He's very concerned with control.

00:51:35.000 He's very concerned with all these different things.

00:51:37.000 So in a lot of ways, this is sort of a psychological profile.

00:51:41.000 As much as it is a presidential race.

00:51:44.000 It's like we're watching two different people that are extremely flawed.

00:51:48.000 Like, she is not honest. 1.00

00:51:50.000 Hillary Clinton is a very, very dishonest person. 1.00

00:51:53.000 There's an incredible amount of data to point that she is incredibly dishonest. 1.00

00:51:58.000 Whether it's dishonest about the Clinton Foundation, dishonest about the emails, dishonest completely about Benghazi.

00:52:05.000 Do you remember when they were trying to say Benghazi was all in response to a YouTube video?

00:52:09.000 Yeah, which she knew it wasn't.

00:52:10.000 There are emails that prove it.

00:52:11.000 Exactly.

00:52:12.000 Exactly.

00:52:13.000 And it's very, very disturbing when you consider the fact that it doesn't disqualify you from running the government.

00:52:21.000 If you're going to have someone who represents the people of, as Jon Stewart said, and I agree, the greatest country in the world, you should have someone who's honest.

00:52:30.000 And look, even Barack Obama's turned out through these WikiLeaks.

00:52:35.000 Releases that he lied about not knowing that Hillary Clinton had that email server.

00:52:39.000 He had commented on it, and he had emailed her on it.

00:52:43.000 So that's not true.

00:52:44.000 So the whole thing is very, very sorted in many, many, many ways. 0.99

00:52:49.000 And Gary Johnson keeps fucking up. 0.96

00:52:51.000 I've had him on the podcast before, and I enjoyed him. 0.98

00:52:54.000 I like talking to him, but how do you not know what Aleppo is?

00:52:58.000 I didn't know where Aleppo is, by the way, but I knew what was going on in Syria, but I didn't know the name of the city that was getting bombed.

00:53:03.000 Sure, and of course, look, the media is disingenuous when they find that Aleppo moment with Gary Johnson, and suddenly that's the lead story all over the place, or for 24 hours it's all over Twitter, because it's like, you guys ignored everything he says, so now he's screwed up once, and now that's the way you discredit him.

00:53:19.000 So...

00:53:19.000 I've had Gary Johnson on my show, so I chatted with him.

00:53:22.000 He was going on Larry King when I was over at Oro, and we had about a half hour before we went on air in the green room.

00:53:27.000 The guy, he's a perfectly decent, lovely human being.

00:53:31.000 He's not dumb.

00:53:32.000 He is a nice guy.

00:53:34.000 I would love to smoke pot with him and go skiing, but like...

00:53:37.000 But that said, in August, I did a video on my channel where I said, I will support this guy to get to 15% to get him in the debate.

00:53:46.000 Because whether you like him or not, we desperately need another voice.

00:53:50.000 Talk about limited government.

00:53:52.000 Talk about why taxes should be low or whatever it is.

00:53:56.000 Now, I failed at that, obviously.

00:53:57.000 I tried.

00:53:58.000 But from that point, from about mid-August to the debate...

00:54:01.000 He had about 10 horrific moments.

00:54:03.000 I actually think, as much as I like him personally, he's done the Libertarians, and in a certain way the country, a major disservice by being so ill-prepared for this. 0.56

00:54:12.000 So many people would have been excited to have heard an actual...

00:54:16.000 Imagine if there was a Libertarian right now.

00:54:18.000 Obviously he's not gonna win.

00:54:19.000 Like a Ross Perot type character?

00:54:20.000 A Ross Perot type, or just someone who had a certain command of the issues, because Gary, he's good, and all the reasons that we like him, but he's kind of goofy and silly, and, you know, he stammers a lot, and he speaks in a funny way, and his body language is kind of, you know, slippery, or I don't know.

00:54:36.000 But the point is...

00:54:38.000 This was the year, if we're ever going to have a third party, a third choice, something like that, this was the year where it could have made a real dent the way Ross Perot did.

00:54:46.000 And Gary could have, it should have been the libertarian candidate more than Jill Stein, I think. 0.97

00:54:52.000 But Gary just, at every opportunity to show that he knows what he's doing, can speak clearly about the issues...

00:54:59.000 He failed.

00:55:00.000 You know, he's for having the government force the Indiana baker to bake the cake.

00:55:06.000 Did you know that?

00:55:07.000 He's a libertarian.

00:55:08.000 He's for the government forcing them to bake that cake?

00:55:11.000 Really?

00:55:11.000 Yeah.

00:55:12.000 So he isn't even a great...

00:55:14.000 But I even said this in my video.

00:55:15.000 I said, look, the guy's not a great libertarian.

00:55:17.000 I don't think he's a great candidate.

00:55:18.000 Well, he was a Republican.

00:55:19.000 When he ran New Mexico, he was a Republican.

00:55:21.000 Yeah, and he was a good two-term governor, by the way.

00:55:23.000 As was Bill Weld, by the way, who was his running mate, who was the former governor of Massachusetts.

00:55:27.000 Yeah, so they're both decent fellas.

00:55:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:55:30.000 They're both decent fellows, and maybe that's just not what makes you the president, but they missed a huge opportunity.

00:55:35.000 Imagine if there had just been a well-spoken Libertarian who could just have elicited what the points of Libertarianism is.

00:55:44.000 Yeah, I think it would look it's not gonna flip the election But it could have done something and and I think he was the wrong guy.

00:55:50.000 It's a dirty business You know, that's one of the reasons why Hillary Clinton is good at it. 1.00

00:55:54.000 She's a dirty person. 1.00

00:55:55.000 Yeah, I mean I say that with no ill will I mean, I don't hate that lady, but what she does is dirty. 1.00

00:56:03.000 And if you look at what the DNC did to Bernie Sanders, that's dirty.

00:56:07.000 And what she did, as soon as that woman got fired from the DNC, she hires her immediately. 0.94

00:56:11.000 I mean, it's so incredibly transparent.

00:56:13.000 So think how corrupt, really how corrupt this is.

00:56:15.000 And this is, again, why I talk about the left a lot, because they need to call out their side.

00:56:21.000 It would be very easy for us, for us to sit here and just mock the right the whole time. 0.99

00:56:26.000 And we can get further into Trump and mock the shit at him. 0.99

00:56:28.000 But the problem is, I don't believe in a left and a right. 0.99

00:56:31.000 No, I don't either, but I'm just within the way we have to sort of frame discussions.

00:56:35.000 You know what I mean?

00:56:36.000 Like, yeah, the labels are...

00:56:37.000 I think?

00:56:39.000 I think?

00:56:58.000 Right?

00:56:59.000 She's a Democrat who CNN had on as a contributor, as if she could possibly give you any remotely honest answer on anything.

00:57:08.000 She then becomes the head of the DNC. And then now it's, of course, come out on WikiLeaks in the last week that she was feeding Hillary questions for the debates.

00:57:17.000 So you may hate the Republicans.

00:57:19.000 For all your fans out there that hate the Republicans, you still got to acknowledge that there is something deeply, deeply corrupt with the Democrats.

00:57:26.000 And Hillary's the head of that. 1.00

00:57:28.000 Simply put.

00:57:29.000 Deeply corrupt against Bernie Sanders, who's also a Democrat. 0.99

00:57:33.000 It's like, what Hillary Clinton is, is a hustler. 1.00

00:57:37.000 And she knows how to put it all together. 0.99

00:57:40.000 Both of the Clintons, they're hustlers. 0.99

00:57:42.000 They keep these people close to them, and they make sure that everyone is taken care of.

00:57:48.000 Whether it's people from other countries that donate money to the Clinton Foundation, whether it's all these different people.

00:57:55.000 When she hired that woman for her campaign, that's not unusual. 0.73

00:58:00.000 That's standard operational procedure for the Clinton campaign.

00:58:04.000 That's how she's conducted business.

00:58:07.000 That's what we don't like about politics.

00:58:09.000 What we don't like about politics is the cronyism and the established roots that they have developed over 30-plus years in government.

00:58:17.000 Yeah, so that's what's happening right now is that because of WikiLeaks, we're starting to see how the sausage is made.

00:58:22.000 It's not just a theory anymore.

00:58:24.000 So for the last couple years, where a lot of online people would be screaming about the government's corrupt, the media's in bed with them, you know, they're pitching softball interviews.

00:58:32.000 Well, now we're seeing that it's actually true.

00:58:34.000 Like there's actual evidence in email saying, yeah, give softball stories to easy reporters at the New York Times.

00:58:40.000 Don't talk to this person, you know, blah, blah, blah.

00:58:42.000 We're seeing all of it now.

00:58:45.000 And then you throw Trump into it, and you throw trolling and internet culture, and you get all of that going and back to that popcorn that we started with.

00:58:52.000 Now it's all bubbling at once, and it all comes down to tomorrow.

00:58:57.000 And I also think there's waves of this stuff.

00:58:59.000 There's waves of outrage, and then the people sort of get resigned to it all because they get their own life calls.

00:59:05.000 If you really wanted to delve deep into the Clintons or delve deep into Trump, that would absorb every second of your day for decades.

00:59:14.000 It really, really would.

00:59:15.000 With both of those guys.

00:59:17.000 And you gotta live.

00:59:18.000 And it's always been like that.

00:59:19.000 Do you remember Jeff Gannon?

00:59:21.000 Do you remember who he is?

00:59:22.000 Sounds familiar.

00:59:23.000 Give me a little something.

00:59:23.000 Jeff Gannon was an embedded reporter in the White House who actually spent time sleeping at the White House.

00:59:30.000 He had slept in the White House on more than one occasion.

00:59:32.000 And this was during the Bush administration. 0.90

00:59:34.000 And he would ask the most ridiculous questions that you would never think that a reporter would ask. 0.95

00:59:39.000 Like, Mr. President, when are the Democrats going to wake up and come to their senses? 0.98

00:59:46.000 Like those kind of questions. 0.98

00:59:47.000 Just completely ridiculous leading questions. 0.99

00:59:50.000 Complete softballs. 0.97

00:59:52.000 Yeah.

00:59:52.000 Well, it turned out that he...

00:59:54.000 This was like when the internet was just starting to emerge, right?

00:59:57.000 It was during the Bush administration. 0.96

00:59:59.000 It turned out that he was a gay escort. 0.96

01:00:02.000 And he ran an all-military gay escort service. 0.93

01:00:06.000 Yeah, this does kind of sound... 1.00

01:00:07.000 And he wore like fucking dog tags and a towel over his dick. 1.00

01:00:10.000 And he was straddled on the ground with combat boots on in his online ad. 1.00

01:00:15.000 And you know what?

01:00:15.000 I've seen him at 24 Hour Fitness in West Hollywood.

01:00:18.000 Nice.

01:00:18.000 He's the manager now.

01:00:19.000 He's the guy with the mop. 1.00

01:00:20.000 So they realized that this fucking guy was... 0.99

01:00:24.000 I mean, this was how they got... 1.00

01:00:26.000 I mean, this is how they got the questions they want to be asked and they presented the narrative that they wanted to push.

01:00:34.000 But this has always been the case. 0.91

01:00:35.000 There's always been ridiculous people who are almost like vampire familiars, who stay close to the master. 0.54

01:00:43.000 And so they want to, you know, in one way or another, feed off of whatever power that he has and capitalize on it, whether it's Debbie Wasserman Schultz, whether it's, you know, what is a woman's name that's the Attorney General that Clinton met on the tarmac in his jet? 0.85

01:00:58.000 Oh, uh...

01:00:59.000 Lynch.

01:00:59.000 Yeah, Loretta Lynch.

01:01:00.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:01:00.000 That story is fucking insane. 0.99

01:01:03.000 They had a private meeting. 0.99

01:01:04.000 I mean, Trump's been hitting that over the head, and it's actually...

01:01:07.000 Every time he says it, I'm like, yeah, wait a minute.

01:01:09.000 They had a meeting in the plane for a couple minutes right before the indictment didn't happen?

01:01:13.000 Well, that's why people like Scott Adams, who's a very reasonable guy...

01:01:16.000 Yeah, have you had him on?

01:01:17.000 He's coming on soon.

01:01:18.000 He's great.

01:01:19.000 A little bit of what I said before about the Trump tactics.

01:01:21.000 He came on my show, and he laid it out so clearly.

01:01:25.000 And at that point, he wasn't supporting Trump, really.

01:01:27.000 And I think...

01:01:28.000 I think I think now he officially is but his whole point was it's not the policy Understand what he's doing the trolling understand the leading that he does and then comes in after all that He fully gets it.

01:01:41.000 You're gonna love talking to him. 0.58

01:01:42.000 Yeah, I mean I feel like what Trump represents to a lot of people that are supporting him is They'll they're willing to look past all of his flaws and all the bullshit and the bullying and the craziness because he's something completely unique and Yeah. 0.95

01:01:57.000 That has never run for president before. 0.87

01:01:59.000 What he is, what he represents is a guy who has been inside but is also outside.

01:02:05.000 He is independent in terms of financially.

01:02:09.000 And he's also independent in terms of his connections and his obligations to them. 0.96

01:02:14.000 One of the things about him being a narcissist and one of the things about him being a guy who probably doesn't have a whole lot of friends is that In establishing that and becoming this super successful guy who's really concerned only about himself, he's immune to all that cronyism bullshit. 0.89

01:02:30.000 He's not going to do that. 0.87

01:02:32.000 And you're seeing that, like, the way he's hammering Hillary on all these different things, the way he's attacking. 0.99

01:02:37.000 I mean, he got paid to be at Hillary's fucking wedding. 0.99

01:02:41.000 Or Hillary, rather, got paid to be at his wedding. 1.00

01:02:44.000 He gave her a donation.

01:02:47.000 He gave her a donation for her to show up at his wedding. 0.99

01:02:49.000 I fucked it up. 0.97

01:02:51.000 I mean, this is a guy that's been deeply embedded in politics. 0.98

01:02:55.000 But to his credit, then, he points that out.

01:02:57.000 I mean, in the first debate, the first Republican debate, he said it within the first ten minutes.

01:03:02.000 Yeah.

01:03:03.000 Yeah, I gave her money, and she showed up to my wedding. 1.00

01:03:06.000 That's how corrupt the system is.

01:03:07.000 Yeah.

01:03:07.000 So you're totally right.

01:03:08.000 What's happening is people are, they're so frustrated. 0.87

01:03:11.000 They're frustrated about language and all the bullshit and seeing all the nonsense between the media and the White House Correspondents Dinner where, you know, they call it nerd prom and all the, they're supposed to be guarding the politicians and instead they're having dinner with them. 0.69

01:03:24.000 And we could go through the list of the amount of people that are on CNN that are married to public people or worked for I just mentioned the Don of Brazil thing. 0.94

01:03:32.000 Paul Begala, for example, he runs a Hillary super PAC. He's on CNN as an analyst.

01:03:38.000 Everyone is now seeing it.

01:03:39.000 There was the idea of it, but now because of the internet, we're seeing all of it, and people have just had it.

01:03:45.000 Think about it.

01:03:45.000 Everyone wants to be close to power in a certain way, so if you had Barack Obama, you had the president in here, You probably, in your first interview with him, the first time you met him, might go a little easier, hoping that he might come back again, because you'd like to be around it a little bit.

01:04:02.000 Not me, dude.

01:04:03.000 I hope not you.

01:04:04.000 I would go hard.

01:04:05.000 I would show up drunk and high, and I'd go like, let's just do this, man.

01:04:10.000 Let's just do this.

01:04:11.000 I want to know what's up.

01:04:12.000 Well, there goes a chance to be the president.

01:04:15.000 Look, I don't want to be the president.

01:04:16.000 But likely there would be some serious consequences if I did do that.

01:04:19.000 Right.

01:04:20.000 That's the real concern.

01:04:22.000 So there's two things.

01:04:23.000 There's one is that he won't do.

01:04:24.000 If you ask if you are going to demand a really hard interview, I mean a really, really hard interview.

01:04:29.000 It wouldn't even be a hard interview.

01:04:31.000 What I would do if I had a chance to sit down with Barack Obama, because he's not much older than me.

01:04:36.000 He's only a couple years older than me.

01:04:37.000 I essentially could hang out with that guy.

01:04:39.000 I think in a lot of ways, let's forget about what he's done and the drones and the attacks on whistleblowers and the attacks on the freedom of the press.

01:04:48.000 There's been a lot of horrible things that have occurred during this administration.

01:04:51.000 It's been one of the worst administrations in terms of freedom of the press.

01:04:55.000 Yeah.

01:04:55.000 It's not good.

01:04:56.000 Left doesn't seem to say much about that.

01:04:57.000 Yeah, not at all. 1.00

01:04:58.000 Because it's bullshit. 0.99

01:04:59.000 That's why I don't believe in this left and right thing. 1.00

01:05:01.000 It's like the Raiders versus the Dolphins.

01:05:03.000 You pick a team and your team can do no wrong.

01:05:05.000 Yeah.

01:05:06.000 What I would talk to him about is, what is it like being a human being under that immense amount of pressure, and is that job even manageable?

01:05:14.000 Is it possible for one person to really be responsible for 300 and whatever million people there are here?

01:05:19.000 Plus Mexicans. 1.00

01:05:21.000 Right.

01:05:22.000 But that's the thing.

01:05:23.000 But Donald Trump's going to put an end to that.

01:05:24.000 People think we're voting for a king.

01:05:26.000 They don't realize that, you know, there's simple civics things that people need to know that they don't know anymore.

01:05:31.000 Stuff that you should have learned in seventh grade social studies.

01:05:33.000 That we have three branches of government.

01:05:35.000 The president is one branch.

01:05:36.000 He's the executive branch.

01:05:38.000 All he is supposed to do.

01:05:39.000 The president doesn't write laws.

01:05:41.000 All he is supposed to do is sign the law.

01:05:43.000 Congress writes the law, the legislative branch.

01:05:45.000 And then the judicial branch, the courts, actually make sure that they're legal and there's separation of powers and a balance so that they can, you know, checks and balances so they make sure no branch gets too powerful.

01:05:55.000 But if you think about it, think about what the last two years have been like for this election.

01:05:58.000 People think we're voting on a king.

01:06:00.000 So Hillary, I can solve this and all that.

01:06:02.000 It's like, wait a minute. 0.99

01:06:03.000 If you can do all this shit, why didn't you tell Barack these last eight years? 0.99

01:06:07.000 I'll bring all the jobs back. 1.00

01:06:08.000 Well, you were on his team, so maybe you should have mentioned that, so you know that's all bullshit. 0.97

01:06:13.000 And then when Trump says, I'm the only one that can solve immigration, I'm the only one that can make the economy great, and it's like... 0.98

01:06:18.000 Well, you're just a part of the government.

01:06:20.000 I get it.

01:06:20.000 You're a big part.

01:06:21.000 And we fetishize the president in a way that we don't the other branches, which is a problem.

01:06:27.000 But they're not a king.

01:06:29.000 And we have to remind ourselves of that.

01:06:31.000 And for the people that are really ready to jump off the bridge tomorrow if their guy loses...

01:06:35.000 Or gal. 0.72

01:06:36.000 Or gal. 0.72

01:06:37.000 For those people...

01:06:39.000 The hope is that the system can be stronger than either one of these two people.

01:06:43.000 If we're not at that point, then we're really in trouble.

01:06:46.000 But haven't we already established, though, that the system itself is horribly...

01:06:49.000 It's just busted.

01:06:51.000 It's just busted, but that's why they're voting Trump.

01:06:53.000 And that's the thing with Trump.

01:06:55.000 If you think about Trump...

01:06:57.000 What if progressives hated all these years? 0.78

01:06:59.000 They hate Christian conservatives.

01:07:01.000 Well, guess what?

01:07:01.000 Trump's not a Christian conservative.

01:07:02.000 He doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:07:04.000 They're all supporting him, oddly, at the highest numbers. 0.99

01:07:07.000 But he doesn't care about that.

01:07:08.000 Do you think Trump really cares about abortion? 1.00

01:07:10.000 He's an old school pussy grabber. 1.00

01:07:11.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

01:07:12.000 You're right. 1.00

01:07:13.000 He's an old school pussy grabber. 1.00

01:07:15.000 OSPD. He doesn't care about abortion. 1.00

01:07:20.000 That's a t-shirt.

01:07:22.000 There you go.

01:07:22.000 You can have that one.

01:07:23.000 But he doesn't care about abortion.

01:07:25.000 He doesn't care about gay rights. 0.91

01:07:26.000 Like, think about it.

01:07:27.000 He gave the, at the RNC, at the convention, he talked about gay rights.

01:07:32.000 It got an applause break.

01:07:33.000 He brought Peter Thiel up there to talk about being openly gay and they loved him.

01:07:37.000 Yeah.

01:07:37.000 I mean, so it's important also to establish that Hillary Clinton was anti-gay marriage until 2013. Yeah.

01:07:43.000 When it became convenient.

01:07:44.000 She's on record many, many times as saying that she believes in a marriage between a man and a woman.

01:07:49.000 Yeah, but that's what- Which is incredibly regressive.

01:07:51.000 Well, that's what they all do.

01:07:53.000 They wait.

01:07:53.000 Even Mo Bama, it's like he waited, waited, waited until- Did you call him Mo Bama?

01:07:56.000 Mo Bama.

01:08:00.000 But even Obama didn't do it until Biden was on Meet the Press, and he kind of slipped, and then the next day Obama was like, me too!

01:08:06.000 You know, you're just saying Mo-bama. 0.98

01:08:09.000 Michelle Obama, if she ran, she could probably fucking win. 1.00

01:08:12.000 You want to talk about a woman who has been in the White House, who has shown an incredible resolve at the way she speaks? 0.99

01:08:21.000 She's a very intelligent, very articulate, very composed person.

01:08:26.000 I think she could win.

01:08:27.000 Well, what does it tell you, though, that...

01:08:29.000 I'd rather have her than Hillary. 0.99

01:08:30.000 How about that?

01:08:31.000 I would probably rather have her than Hillary. 1.00

01:08:33.000 100%.

01:08:34.000 Although, I don't even know what she thinks.

01:08:38.000 But Hillary, it's so... 1.00

01:08:39.000 That's how ridiculous being a president is! 1.00

01:08:42.000 I'm sitting here talking about... 0.99

01:08:43.000 I just know she's not as compromised.

01:08:46.000 But maybe she would be if she got that job.

01:08:47.000 So is that ultimately where we're at? 0.99

01:08:49.000 Is that the system is so corrupt that all it could choke out, all the two years of this bullshit could give us at the end was these two. 0.99

01:08:57.000 Like, I kind of think they just, they perfectly deserve each other. 0.99

01:09:00.000 But if you want to look and find out what went wrong, you got to look in the mirror because we all have to look at ourselves and say, how did we all allow this to happen?

01:09:07.000 It was a joke at first.

01:09:09.000 The Trump thing was a joke.

01:09:10.000 I mean, I'll fully own up.

01:09:12.000 I remember when he first got in, I said he's going to be in three debates and that's it.

01:09:15.000 Well, he was definitely in three debates.

01:09:18.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:09:19.000 And then he stayed for the fourth and I went, oh shit. 0.99

01:09:21.000 He's better at talking to those people. 1.00

01:09:23.000 He's used to being on camera and he's used to insulting people.

01:09:26.000 Like when Marco Rubio tried to insult him.

01:09:28.000 It was terrible.

01:09:29.000 Oh my God.

01:09:30.000 He's not good at that.

01:09:31.000 That's not something you just pick up on.

01:09:33.000 It was like watching an open mic comic have to headline the biggest show of their life.

01:09:37.000 Exactly.

01:09:38.000 He just couldn't get the words out properly.

01:09:40.000 But to that point...

01:09:42.000 Maybe, so for all the things that we're talking about, it seems to me that Trump, the best sales job I could give for Trump would be that he has a lot.

01:09:51.000 His family has a lot.

01:09:52.000 They have everything to live for.

01:09:53.000 They have everything that most of us want, immaterial assets and all that stuff.

01:09:57.000 And it's like, is he really people that are like, he's going to start World War III or, you know, we're going to fight North Korea or Well, isn't that a real concern, though, with his hubris and the way he treats opponents in business and the way he treats opponents socially, like Rosie O'Donnell, the way he does sort of conduct himself.

01:10:14.000 That is not something that you can do if you want to talk to some foreign leader.

01:10:20.000 Absolutely.

01:10:20.000 For sure.

01:10:22.000 So I'm not diminishing that we don't...

01:10:24.000 As I say on the show all the time, I don't know what his moral center is.

01:10:27.000 I just have no sense of, is this really all about him?

01:10:31.000 Or does he really feel, like in the truest moment of him, does he feel that the country really has been derailed?

01:10:38.000 And is he just using the trolling tactics to just...

01:10:43.000 Get something good out of it.

01:10:44.000 My point is that he has a lot to lose. 1.00

01:10:48.000 And it's like, maybe this is the moment where he finally came around and was like, no one's going to stop this bullshit. 1.00

01:10:56.000 This corrupt, all this awful shit that you're talking about with Hillary. 1.00

01:10:59.000 And maybe he's like, I'm the only one that can do it. 1.00

01:11:02.000 That's the best way I can frame it.

01:11:03.000 I'm not telling you that that's...

01:11:05.000 That's a really fantasy-based view of it, though.

01:11:08.000 It's not based on his actual words.

01:11:11.000 But it's impossible to base any of...

01:11:13.000 So how do we base any of this on their words?

01:11:15.000 We know that Hillary's lying left and right. 1.00

01:11:17.000 You know what I mean?

01:11:17.000 Well, have you seen the thing, the difference between the FBI director giving the description of what Hillary did and then her saying what the FBI had said?

01:11:26.000 I mean, it is so horrifically inaccurate and dishonest.

01:11:32.000 It's just like, how does that not immediately disqualify you?

01:11:34.000 And at any other time, it would.

01:11:36.000 If she was running against, let's put it this way, if she was running against Obama, and this was the Hillary Clinton that we had been exposed to, it's like our standards have dropped so low.

01:11:47.000 But the media would have been all over her because they liked Obama. 0.99

01:11:49.000 So that's what's happened here.

01:11:50.000 Trump has been the great unifier to take all of these people, progressives and liberals and all these people, and even the never-Trump conservatives, all these people, they're all unified in just their hatred of Trump. 0.99

01:12:00.000 And then that gets them to ignore all the horrible shit about Hillary.

01:12:03.000 So the stuff with the emails, when the guy basically, Comey came out and he was like, well, it wasn't negligent. 1.00

01:12:09.000 He was like, she's basically an idiot. 0.98

01:12:10.000 She didn't know what she was doing, but it wasn't negligent. 1.00

01:12:13.000 Well...

01:12:14.000 That's grounds to be fired at most jobs. 1.00

01:12:16.000 You can't screw up something really, really important and say, well, I didn't do it on purpose, I'm just an idiot. 1.00

01:12:21.000 It's not even that. 1.00

01:12:23.000 It's illegal.

01:12:24.000 And illegal!

01:12:25.000 You would go to jail.

01:12:26.000 Everything she did, if she was a sailor, you know the story about the naval officer who took photos, it wasn't even an officer, it was an enlisted guy, who took photos of the inside of a nuclear cockpit and he's facing 10 years in jail. 0.99

01:12:41.000 Just took photos on his phone of top secret shit. 0.98

01:12:43.000 Well, did you see this in the last two days that Hillary was having her cleaning lady print emails? 1.00

01:12:48.000 Classified emails?

01:12:49.000 There are WikiLeaks showing things where she's saying, have her print it.

01:12:52.000 Have her print it.

01:12:52.000 The whole Anthony Weiner thing.

01:12:53.000 She had Huma. 0.99

01:12:54.000 Huma forwarded her fucking classified emails to Anthony Weiner's account and then printed them up. 1.00

01:13:00.000 Because I guess his computer was hooked up to the fucking printer in the house so he could print his dick pics. 1.00

01:13:05.000 Right, so then... 1.00

01:13:06.000 Was he printing them?

01:13:08.000 Where do you send them once you've printed them?

01:13:09.000 You've got to enlarge them, otherwise you'll get no traction. 0.98

01:13:11.000 You can't send actual-sized dick pics. 0.97

01:13:13.000 Can I ask you this, though, before we get any further? 0.99

01:13:16.000 Yeah.

01:13:16.000 What...

01:13:17.000 Do you want either one of them to win?

01:13:20.000 Do you have a preference?

01:13:22.000 Or are you like, boy, I want to step back and watch this nuclear explosion go off and see what happens?

01:13:26.000 It's none of those three options.

01:13:28.000 I don't want this thing to blow up.

01:13:29.000 You know, one of the things I say on the show all the time is that our country is still so good.

01:13:33.000 And we don't realize it.

01:13:34.000 We think that it's just this endless fighting and this awfulness.

01:13:38.000 There's so much good here.

01:13:39.000 You wake up.

01:13:39.000 I know we're a little different as public people.

01:13:43.000 But the average person wakes up here.

01:13:44.000 They can say what they want to say, for the most part.

01:13:46.000 You can say what you want to say.

01:13:48.000 You can get a decent job for the most part.

01:13:50.000 We go to New York City and go on a subway and be with literally every single person from every part of the world, from every ethnicity and nationality and religion and race and sexuality, and we're all here and we're not killing each other.

01:14:02.000 That doesn't mean that we could do a lot better.

01:14:05.000 It doesn't mean the system's broken.

01:14:07.000 But it's still pretty damn good here.

01:14:09.000 Almost everyone in the world still wants to come here.

01:14:11.000 We don't...

01:14:11.000 How many of your friends are leaving America?

01:14:13.000 I know Leon Dunham's gonna leave.

01:14:14.000 That'll be alright.

01:14:15.000 Is she really leaving?

01:14:15.000 She's going if Trump wins, you know, like...

01:14:17.000 She said that?

01:14:18.000 Yeah, she's going to Mexico or something, or Canada. 0.84

01:14:20.000 Well, she's got a lot of problems of her own. 1.00

01:14:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:23.000 Let's not waste any rainfalls on her. 0.98

01:14:27.000 So my overriding point would be, I don't want to blow the system up to that level where it's really like...

01:14:32.000 Well, let me rephrase what I was saying, because I didn't mean like, watch this nuclear explosion go off.

01:14:37.000 I meant an event.

01:14:38.000 Like, tomorrow's an event, and we're going to sit back and watch how this event plays out.

01:14:43.000 Do you want to say who you're voting for?

01:14:45.000 So look, we're in California.

01:14:47.000 So I haven't said this publicly.

01:14:48.000 I figured I would sort of wait till today.

01:14:50.000 So we're in California here.

01:14:52.000 So we know Hillary's winning California. 1.00

01:14:54.000 So the two of us have a little bit of a luxury to do something that might be more principled than what that is.

01:15:00.000 As far as voting independent.

01:15:01.000 Yeah.

01:15:01.000 Then what the average person, if you're in Ohio or you're in Florida or Colorado or whatever, your votes, literally every single person's vote matters.

01:15:09.000 Which also highlights how fucking goofy the system is. 0.98

01:15:11.000 Right. 0.99

01:15:12.000 So, completely does, right?

01:15:14.000 And now there are people that are trading votes over state lines and all kinds of crazy things.

01:15:17.000 Look, My biggest thing this time is that the system is just mangled and we need more voices.

01:15:23.000 So I'm not totally sure.

01:15:26.000 My gut feeling is I'm going to vote for Gary Johnson for all the wrong reasons.

01:15:29.000 Because I just want somebody to realize down the road that four years from now we should have somebody else.

01:15:34.000 But I think you could make equally strong cases for Trump and for Hillary and equally wrong cases for both of them.

01:15:42.000 Because everything...

01:15:43.000 Because it's funny.

01:15:44.000 I'll ask you the same question.

01:15:45.000 But just from what we've talked about here...

01:15:47.000 My sense is you're going to vote for Hillary in the most begrudging possible way.

01:15:53.000 I don't think I am.

01:15:54.000 If I was going to vote for Hillary...

01:15:57.000 So think about this.

01:15:59.000 I would have to have a way that I could justify supporting her, not just a way that I didn't feel like Trump should be the president.

01:16:07.000 In my mind, for the system, it's far better if...

01:16:16.000 It doesn't make sense.

01:16:18.000 I definitely think my options are either voting for Gary Johnson or writing someone in.

01:16:24.000 And I don't think Gary Johnson should be president.

01:16:26.000 No, I know.

01:16:27.000 And look, he's not going to be, so you can do that in clean conscience.

01:16:30.000 But if he was president, look, the guy did a great job as a governor of New Mexico.

01:16:34.000 What I find disagreeable about him is so much different than what I found disagreeable about George Bush.

01:16:40.000 And George Bush was the president for eight years.

01:16:42.000 What I find disagreeable about him is only his lack of preparedness.

01:16:46.000 But I think he's a very disciplined guy.

01:16:49.000 I just don't think he prepared well enough about foreign policy and about a lot of other issues.

01:16:53.000 And I also think the pressure of the national media and the spotlight of that.

01:16:56.000 And the gotcha.

01:16:57.000 Yeah, the gotcha journalism.

01:16:59.000 It's something unique that he had not experienced before.

01:17:03.000 So think how depressing that is with everything going on here and for as much as you and I are in this thing, like in it in a public way, that we both maybe will begrudgingly the day before the election kind of be like, eh, we're gonna vote for the guy that definitely can't win. 0.99

01:17:16.000 I mean, think about the shit that you've just said about Hillary. 1.00

01:17:19.000 That is... 1.00

01:17:20.000 It's seriously damning shit. 1.00

01:17:23.000 Really damning shit. 1.00

01:17:23.000 Now look, Sam Harris, who's one of my heroes, who I know you've had on a zillion times, and I've had him on, and he did the best sell job he could on Hillary. 1.00

01:17:29.000 He's supporting her.

01:17:30.000 But he's not really. 1.00

01:17:32.000 Well, it's mostly Trump's a fucking lunatic. 1.00

01:17:34.000 But he did a whole article about the best of two evils. 1.00

01:17:39.000 Not a whole article, a whole podcast about it.

01:17:42.000 And I think he makes some good points about that.

01:17:45.000 He absolutely does.

01:17:47.000 And look, I hold him as high as I can hold another person.

01:17:51.000 But I think that maybe the best way this could go down is that if you're really afraid of what could happen with Trump, that the rules have just changed forever and that just doesn't sound right, that Trump would be President of the United States, this reality TV star.

01:18:07.000 If you're really, really afraid of that, I think the best argument for Clinton then would be that get her in.

01:18:13.000 The system basically keeps chugging along.

01:18:15.000 And then good liberals and decent conservatives and libertarians and the people that really aren't on the fringes that are dragging everybody apart.

01:18:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:25.000 Like the real regressive left people and the real alt-right people.

01:18:28.000 But everyone else kind of comes together and says, we're going to change things over the next couple of years.

01:18:33.000 And I'm giving you real kind of pie in the sky.

01:18:35.000 Right.

01:18:36.000 You know, let's try to spin this positively stuff.

01:18:37.000 Like ABC after school special.

01:18:39.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:18:39.000 Like that's really what I'm giving you right now because I got nothing left with one day to go in this fucking thing. 0.99

01:18:43.000 But that's what I would say is that It's become obvious to me over the course of this, the average conservative who I may disagree with on taxes or abortion or whatever, they're not my enemy. 0.95

01:18:54.000 They're not as a liberal.

01:18:55.000 They're not my enemy.

01:18:56.000 And we have to find room to be okay with other people.

01:19:01.000 This whole election is just a result of not being okay, of demonizing everybody to the point that they're evil.

01:19:07.000 And then what did we end up with?

01:19:09.000 We got this.

01:19:10.000 So the best argument for Hillary, I think, is let her have four years. 1.00

01:19:13.000 The whole thing's going to be scandal-ridden no matter what.

01:19:15.000 You think this is about not letting people just do their own thing?

01:19:20.000 Like, that's a big part of what this is?

01:19:22.000 What do you mean?

01:19:23.000 When you say...

01:19:24.000 Explain what you just said about the whole reason why we're in this...

01:19:28.000 We're in this position because we've got...

01:19:30.000 Because over the last however long, because of cable news, because of Twitter, because of all of that...

01:19:34.000 Everyone caters their news to themselves and then demonizes everybody else.

01:19:39.000 So everyone on the right will tell you that they're all libtard, leftist, socialist, Marxist, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

01:19:45.000 And everyone on the left will tell you that they're all racist, white supremacist Nazis. 0.98

01:19:49.000 And it's like neither one of those things are true. 0.94

01:19:52.000 It's like when people argue about abortion and it's like everyone on the left will say that the People on the right, they're against abortion.

01:19:59.000 They hate women. 1.00

01:20:00.000 And people on the right will say the people on the left are for abortion, so they hate babies. 0.99

01:20:05.000 And guess what?

01:20:06.000 It's not really true, either one of those.

01:20:08.000 You've got to realize that there's much more in common that we all have.

01:20:11.000 I know you know this, obviously.

01:20:13.000 That's not rocket science.

01:20:14.000 And we have to realize that people can have different political opinions and that you can still find some room.

01:20:20.000 There is some place.

01:20:21.000 Democrats and Republicans used to work together.

01:20:23.000 Yeah, well, civility and just the common bond of being American and being so incredibly fortunate to be born on this awesome patch of dirt.

01:20:33.000 I mean, that's really what we are.

01:20:35.000 We're the lottery winners when it comes to the world.

01:20:37.000 I mean, a lot of people disagree. 1.00

01:20:38.000 Fuck you, Canada's better. 1.00

01:20:40.000 You know, there's a lot of people, but, you know, they're Canadian. 1.00

01:20:42.000 But we just ignore them, yeah.

01:20:43.000 They're nice folks.

01:20:44.000 That's where I would live if I didn't live here.

01:20:46.000 I'd live in Canada or Australia.

01:20:47.000 Those are my two spots.

01:20:48.000 Well, Australia, I've had a couple Australians on. 1.00

01:20:50.000 The place is the shit. 1.00

01:20:51.000 I fucking love Australia. 1.00

01:20:53.000 Yeah, I need to get there. 0.97

01:20:54.000 I love the people.

01:20:54.000 I love the people over there.

01:20:56.000 It's such a fucking great place. 0.98

01:20:58.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:20:58.000 Melbourne is fucking fantastic. 0.99

01:21:00.000 Sydney is awesome. 0.98

01:21:02.000 It's just, I enjoy it.

01:21:03.000 I mean, they have their problems too, but...

01:21:05.000 Yeah.

01:21:06.000 I had Rita Panahian, who's a writer for the Herald Sun in Australia.

01:21:09.000 She's born in Iran, moved to Australia.

01:21:12.000 Now she's basically, she's on the right in that she's, you know, she would be considered a Republican here and she's actually fighting against immigration the way they're doing it there because she realized how good that country is.

01:21:23.000 She says Australia is the most tolerant nation on earth and we're now unfurling that tolerance by allowing everybody in, even if Even if they don't believe the things we believe and even if they don't want to integrate and assimilate properly and all that stuff.

01:21:36.000 Well, they're very hard on illegal immigrants. 0.99

01:21:38.000 They take illegal immigrants, they put them on a boat and they ship them to a fucking island. 1.00

01:21:42.000 Yeah, which is happening all over the place and they're sinking boats. 0.99

01:21:44.000 I mean, there are videos of boats trying to get to Greece and they're just literally sinking, right?

01:21:48.000 Yeah.

01:21:49.000 But Australia, Canada...

01:21:52.000 Yeah, there's some other places that are pretty good.

01:21:54.000 But the fight against people who disagree and demonization, I completely agree with you on.

01:22:00.000 I think that we have a real problem with teams.

01:22:03.000 We have a really real tribal mentality.

01:22:05.000 Whether it's a team of the right or a team of the left or even a team of the independents.

01:22:09.000 I've been seeing so many people and I've been so disappointed with so many people ignoring all the things that Clinton has done.

01:22:16.000 And using that hashtag, I'm with her, especially my friends that are women, that are really excited about having the first woman president.

01:22:23.000 I'm like, this one?

01:22:24.000 This is the one you want?

01:22:26.000 This is like, if you wanted to have the first woman president, wouldn't you want to have a woman who was like Obama when he ran for president?

01:22:36.000 Was a perfect candidate in a lot of ways and a perfect response to George Bush.

01:22:41.000 I mean take away all the things that he didn't do that he had offered in his whole hope and change campaign and there's so much that he went against especially really disturbing stuff like the whistleblower thing like he he was offering support for whistleblowers and saying that if people were doing illegal activity and they expose that they would be protected which has been absolutely not the case.

01:23:02.000 Yeah.

01:23:02.000 That, to me, is super disturbing.

01:23:04.000 And I think, as many people have said, he's going to be on the wrong side of history when it comes to that stuff.

01:23:09.000 But I don't know how much control or power they really have.

01:23:11.000 I don't know what kind of influences the president really has in that position.

01:23:15.000 But my point is, he was a great candidate.

01:23:19.000 Hillary Clinton is not a great candidate. 1.00

01:23:21.000 She's just not. 0.80

01:23:22.000 She's a scary person in a lot of ways. 1.00

01:23:24.000 All this shit that she's been saying about Russia being a part of the attack and the hacks on her email server and the DNC, that's all bullshit. 1.00

01:23:32.000 Well, think about it. 1.00

01:23:32.000 It's been proven. 1.00

01:23:33.000 But she keeps saying that. 1.00

01:23:35.000 She's offered up the fact that she would respond militarily, militarily against Russia for her writing a bunch of fucked up shit in emails and getting caught for it. 1.00

01:23:46.000 Right. 0.99

01:23:47.000 So the way you know that it's actual bullshit, and you're not just, you know, given hyperbole there, is that if they were doing the things that now the Hillary campaign is claiming, and they do it very carefully, they're very careful with their words, where they never flat out condemn them for, you know, it's, but it has to be coming from the Russians and blah, 0.98

01:24:03.000 blah, blah. 0.98

01:24:03.000 Right. 0.98

01:24:03.000 And it's a magic trick to keep you off the topics of the emails, which is really the stuff we should be talking about. 0.98

01:24:10.000 But the way you know it's really not real is that if it was real, let's say there was real evidence, the CIA or the FBI or NSA or whatever had real evidence that Russia was genuinely rigging our elections, either with Trump or without Trump or whatever.

01:24:23.000 That would truly be an act of war.

01:24:25.000 At this point, that would be an act of war, and Obama would have to be talking about it endlessly.

01:24:30.000 Yeah, and not only that, the term rigging the elections and interfering with the...

01:24:34.000 When you say Russia, do you mean a guy in Russia?

01:24:37.000 Right. 1.00

01:24:37.000 Because that's like a guy in America could have hacked into that shit. 1.00

01:24:41.000 Right. 1.00

01:24:41.000 Do you mean Putin directly, the government, or do you mean Russian hackers? 1.00

01:24:45.000 A Russian citizen. 0.99

01:24:46.000 A person who has no connection whatsoever to the Russian governor who may have gotten your shit. 1.00

01:24:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:24:51.000 So what about this?

01:24:51.000 Have you thought about this?

01:24:52.000 So all this stuff comes out, WikiLeaks.

01:24:54.000 Let's go on the assumption that Hillary's going to win tomorrow. 1.00

01:24:56.000 Okay.

01:24:56.000 What if, and I say this with, I always quote Carl Sagan on this one, which is, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

01:25:04.000 But what if WikiLeaks or the Russian government or whoever this is, right? 0.99

01:25:10.000 What if they're saving the real shit until she's president? 1.00

01:25:13.000 Wouldn't they release it today? 0.99

01:25:15.000 No, not if you really wanted to blackmail the president of the United States.

01:25:19.000 Blackmail?

01:25:19.000 Yeah.

01:25:20.000 If they want money or something?

01:25:22.000 Or they want some favorable trade agreements or whatever.

01:25:25.000 No, no, no.

01:25:26.000 That you release enough so that she's damaged. 0.99

01:25:28.000 Now she gets into the White House, and then either you start continually leaking more, because I suspect they've got plenty more, you continually leak more to hamper her, or you actually then have some shit over her. 0.99

01:25:39.000 Like, what if there's some real shit? 0.99

01:25:41.000 You know, she facilitated... 1.00

01:25:43.000 You know, something worse in Libya or, you know, like some other thing. 0.99

01:25:47.000 And then they could potentially have some shit on her, which then could actually lead to a war with Russia. 0.99

01:25:52.000 Again, I fully throw the Carl Sagan caveat out there when I say that. 0.99

01:25:58.000 But you have to think, like, they have a political...

01:26:01.000 Motive.

01:26:01.000 They're not an apolitical organization.

01:26:04.000 Clearly they want to damage Hillary.

01:26:06.000 So I think there's something there.

01:26:07.000 You're giving me the skeptical eye, which is great.

01:26:10.000 Yeah, I think that's a lot of speculation.

01:26:12.000 Yeah, it is, for sure.

01:26:13.000 I think if they had anything big, it would have already been out.

01:26:15.000 Well, we've got a couple hours left.

01:26:17.000 Eh, don't buy it.

01:26:18.000 I think they would have released it yesterday.

01:26:20.000 Well, maybe not on Sunday.

01:26:21.000 Nobody's paying attention.

01:26:22.000 But I just think that there's no way they would have waited this long.

01:26:26.000 Like, the FBI saying that they're going to reopen the investigation was one of the most damaging things.

01:26:31.000 And that came from the investigation of Anthony Weiner.

01:26:34.000 It had nothing to do with WikiLeaks.

01:26:35.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:35.000 It came from just them looking into this other creep and finding out that he's sending his dick pics to some 15-year-old girl or whatever the fuck he was doing. 1.00

01:26:44.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:26:44.000 I just don't think there's anything there. 0.99

01:26:46.000 I think what we've seen, we've already seen.

01:26:48.000 So you think we have it?

01:26:49.000 We really have...

01:26:50.000 I think the most damaging thing, in my opinion, was Colin Powell's impression of her.

01:26:54.000 That was horrific because Colin Powell is such a respected person.

01:26:58.000 You very rarely hear anything negative about him and he... 1.00

01:27:02.000 You know, essentially said that she's a moron. 1.00

01:27:04.000 I mean, or not a moron, an intelligent person whose hubris fucks up everything, which is, you know, a way of being a moron. 1.00

01:27:10.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:11.000 And that, you know, he'll... 0.80

01:27:13.000 The thing about Bill out dicking bimbos was hilarious. 1.00

01:27:17.000 You know, and he still is. 0.99

01:27:18.000 And then when Donald Trump brought those women that he, you know, he's allegedly sexually assaulted, and he brought them, and even raped. 0.98

01:27:25.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:27:26.000 Allegedly.

01:27:26.000 Brought them to the debate and had them sit there.

01:27:29.000 There's a photo of Bill looking over at those women.

01:27:31.000 Have you ever seen that?

01:27:32.000 I've seen it.

01:27:33.000 What in the holy fuck was on his mind when the impression that he's giving while he's looking over at those women like that? 0.99

01:27:41.000 So doesn't that go to why people are voting for Trump? 1.00

01:27:44.000 Yes, it does.

01:27:45.000 So one of my best friends, since I'm four years old, does not care about politics at all.

01:27:49.000 Could not care less.

01:27:51.000 I don't even know that he could name the vice president.

01:27:52.000 He has been all in on Trump.

01:27:54.000 I've never talked more politics with him ever in our entire lives.

01:27:58.000 Is he a right-wing guy?

01:28:00.000 He's completely apolitical.

01:28:01.000 He's not big on the government in general.

01:28:03.000 He doesn't care what you do.

01:28:05.000 Don't hurt him.

01:28:06.000 That's it.

01:28:06.000 Live and let live.

01:28:07.000 That's his whole...

01:28:08.000 I don't think he's ever voted.

01:28:09.000 I mean, he's a great guy, but he just has nothing to do with politics.

01:28:12.000 He's been all about Trump because his whole thing is...

01:28:15.000 The system is so gross, we all know it, and now the guy's exposing it.

01:28:19.000 And he's willing to take that risk of what that might mean.

01:28:22.000 Isn't that sort of what Scott Adams is saying as well?

01:28:24.000 Yeah, that's basically the thrust of it. 0.99

01:28:26.000 That people are just saying, we all knew it was fucked up. 0.98

01:28:30.000 Now someone's showing it to you, but you don't like how he behaves. 1.00

01:28:33.000 You don't like how he talks about pussy. 0.99

01:28:35.000 You don't like that he says mean things to Rosie. 1.00

01:28:37.000 All truly gross things.

01:28:39.000 I'm not defending any of those things.

01:28:41.000 But when someone's actually pulling the curtain, showing you the wizard, And now the wizard's a little weirder than you like, and they go, ah, well, forget that.

01:28:49.000 You know, like, let's pull the curtain back and get another curtain, and, you know, and that's what they're all afraid of.

01:28:53.000 They're afraid of, this is their chance, and if they blow it, it'll never, that the machine will just swallow everybody up. 1.00

01:29:00.000 I don't think the machine's swallowing shit. 0.96

01:29:02.000 I think what we're seeing is the inevitable demise of a system that's wholly incompatible with the internet. 0.98

01:29:08.000 Yeah.

01:29:09.000 I think- I love that.

01:29:10.000 That's what's happening.

01:29:11.000 That's what's happening.

01:29:12.000 Yeah.

01:29:32.000 And what modern communication is providing is almost instantaneous access to data and to the way people feel and express themselves.

01:29:43.000 And what we were talking about earlier, these little pops of popcorn, they're going to boil up to a gigantic...

01:29:50.000 It's gonna...

01:29:51.000 Technology's not gonna stop here.

01:29:53.000 It's not like what we can do now is as much as we're gonna be able to do in the future.

01:29:56.000 No, it's gonna continue to progress and it's gonna get to a point where there's not gonna be...

01:30:00.000 Deception's gonna be impossible.

01:30:01.000 So that's what it is.

01:30:02.000 That's what it is.

01:30:03.000 Cable news is deceiving everyone.

01:30:05.000 We know they're deceiving everyone.

01:30:06.000 They're sleeping with the people they're supposed to be taking care of. 1.00

01:30:09.000 You know, they're supposed to be watching, sorry.

01:30:10.000 And now we're exposing it.

01:30:12.000 So think about just what we've done here.

01:30:14.000 Whether if we got one decent point in however long we've been sitting here.

01:30:17.000 If we got one thing out 15 years ago, You could not do this.

01:30:21.000 You could not have two people fully unfiltered for this amount of time doing what we're doing.

01:30:27.000 So if we manage one cogent point in this whole thing, that's more than you could have got out 15 years ago.

01:30:33.000 Well, it's definitely more than you're ever going to see on networks because networks have an obligation and they have an agenda.

01:30:40.000 And I was going back and forth, and I tweeted about this, that I was going back and forth between Fox News and CNN one night.

01:30:46.000 I just sat in front of the TV. My wife and kids were out.

01:30:49.000 And so I was just sitting in front of the TV, stoned as fuck, flipping through the channels, going back and forth between CNN and Fox, and I was goddamn bewildered. 0.98

01:30:57.000 I was like, I'm watching two different worlds. 0.97

01:30:59.000 You're on two different planets.

01:30:59.000 It's like there's two different parallel universes.

01:31:01.000 In one parallel universe, Hillary Clinton is the savior of the world, and the other one, she's a monster, and Bill Clinton's a rapist and a sexual predator, and these women are a bunch of bimbos who just came out against Donald Trump, and they're all puppets, and Gloria Allred's in on it, 1.00

01:31:17.000 and all this crap. 1.00

01:31:18.000 I'm like, what would a person think if this is their first exposure to human beings? 0.98

01:31:25.000 If an alien came here from another planet and their first exposure to human beings was looking at this process to decide who controls the button that has all the nuclear weapons of the world pointed at various countries...

01:31:39.000 I mean, this is insanity.

01:31:41.000 And this is an insane way to communicate.

01:31:43.000 So how do we then, as the neos of this, of this matrix, right?

01:31:50.000 How do we then keep emboldening?

01:31:53.000 I mean, I guess we just have to keep doing what we're doing.

01:31:55.000 There's an inevitable process going on.

01:31:57.000 And it's going to...

01:32:00.000 It's going to overwhelm what we consider to be normal communication.

01:32:06.000 It's going to overwhelm that.

01:32:07.000 And right now, I think we're at a very early stage of this technological progression. 0.92

01:32:14.000 And I think we're looking at it in terms of the internet and devices and phones and laptops and shit.

01:32:18.000 But I think new technology is going to emerge that's going to... 0.95

01:32:23.000 Look, no one would have ever thought that you would have people addicted to a phone just 20 years ago.

01:32:29.000 No one would have ever even considered the idea of being addicted to a phone, that you would go to a restaurant and 80% of the people would just be on their phone.

01:32:36.000 And no one likes it when you bring it up.

01:32:38.000 If you say to them, hey man, want to get off your phone? 0.99

01:32:40.000 Like, fuck dude, I got important emails coming through. 0.99

01:32:43.000 Everybody gets mad. 1.00

01:32:45.000 It's like, you know, you're like saying, hey, do you really need that drink? 0.99

01:32:47.000 I fucking want that drink. 1.00

01:32:48.000 It's the same goddamn feeling. 1.00

01:32:50.000 People are responding to an addiction. 0.99

01:32:52.000 But this is just step one, man.

01:32:54.000 This is step one of an ultimate complete invasiveness.

01:32:58.000 There's going to be some new technology, whether it's a neural implant or whether there's some other device that we're going to wear, but there's going to be something that connects us far more intimately with each other than what we're experiencing now, which is pretty goddamn intimate.

01:33:13.000 Yeah, wouldn't it be nice?

01:33:15.000 I had a guy who's running for the transhumanist party.

01:33:18.000 Oh, yeah, Zoltan.

01:33:19.000 Oh, have you had him on?

01:33:20.000 Yeah, I've had him on, yeah.

01:33:21.000 So that's what we talked about.

01:33:22.000 I mean, we spent, as I'm sure you did, we spent the hour basically talking about all that.

01:33:25.000 Think about it.

01:33:25.000 We're not talking about anything.

01:33:26.000 Look, it's not that this shit's happening tomorrow, but instead of talking about grabbing pussy and emails, we should be talking about some of these things. 0.99

01:33:35.000 Some of these actual things that are going to shape our lives. 0.99

01:33:39.000 And we don't talk about any of this stuff. 0.99

01:33:41.000 And then the shit just happens. 0.99

01:33:43.000 And then instead of talking about it and preparing ourselves, we react. 0.99

01:33:46.000 But we need to do a little legwork so that when this stuff comes, whatever it is...

01:34:06.000 Mm-hmm.

01:34:11.000 Before virtual reality, you're going to have augmented reality.

01:34:14.000 And I think that augmented human beings, human beings that are augmented with technology, that's really going to be what's going to separate us from what we are now, which is essentially the monkey holding the device.

01:34:25.000 I think the device is going to be in the monkey.

01:34:27.000 Yeah, well look, Zoltan's got the chip in him, and it can open his garage door.

01:34:31.000 He was talking about a guy, you know, he knows a guy that wants to chop his arm off to get the bionic arm to be able, you know, and get Wi-Fi in your arm.

01:34:38.000 Woo! 0.99

01:34:39.000 Yeah, and then somebody hacks into your arm.

01:34:40.000 The Russians are going to hack his arm. 1.00

01:34:41.000 He's going to jerk his own dick off. 1.00

01:34:43.000 I was going to say, you know what Wiener's going to do with his dick when it's a robotic? 1.00

01:34:46.000 Oh, boy. 1.00

01:34:47.000 Yeah, you think we're in shit now. 0.99

01:34:48.000 I think Wiener should go into stand-up. 0.99

01:34:50.000 I've been saying that for years.

01:34:51.000 He's a really good public speaker. 1.00

01:34:52.000 He's obviously fucked up. 0.99

01:34:53.000 He's got all the traits, you know? 1.00

01:34:54.000 Yeah.

01:34:54.000 He's got everything going on that would get him into stand-up.

01:34:57.000 I think he's probably pretty fucking funny. 0.95

01:34:59.000 He looks funny. 0.95

01:35:00.000 Yeah, he looks funny.

01:35:01.000 Yeah, he's got a great face for it.

01:35:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:02.000 He wins the wrong line of business.

01:35:04.000 Politics are essentially show business for ugly people. 0.97

01:35:08.000 Guess what? 0.97

01:35:09.000 So is comedy.

01:35:10.000 Comedy, you know, there's been some really not very good looking people that have done a wonderful job of telling jokes and becoming famous.

01:35:17.000 I think we look pretty good relative.

01:35:19.000 For comics?

01:35:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:19.000 I mean, I haven't even been doing stand-up much in the last couple of years, but I think relatively speaking, we've got to be on the higher end of...

01:35:25.000 Relatively speaking. 0.99

01:35:26.000 Tosh is probably number one, that handsome bastard. 1.00

01:35:28.000 That bastard. 1.00

01:35:28.000 Beautiful hair. 1.00

01:35:29.000 Fuck that guy. 1.00

01:35:29.000 Beautiful man. 1.00

01:35:30.000 There's a few of them like that. 0.99

01:35:32.000 Sebastian, he's a good-looking goddamn guy, too. 0.96

01:35:34.000 There's quite a few, but now more so than ever in the past. 0.99

01:35:38.000 Yeah, but what happened to the fat, slovenly comedian?

01:35:41.000 Louis C.K. No, but I'm talking the... 0.91

01:35:43.000 Louis C.K. embraces it.

01:35:44.000 I'm talking Louis Anderson.

01:35:45.000 I was happy that he won that.

01:35:47.000 Ralphie Mae.

01:35:48.000 Yeah, that he won the Ralphie Mae, right?

01:35:50.000 Yeah, Ralphie Mae takes it to the whole new level. 1.00

01:35:52.000 Yeah.

01:35:52.000 He's like the Bruce Lee of fat stand-ups.

01:35:58.000 Well, there you go.

01:36:00.000 That's not something you wouldn't say in front of him. 0.99

01:36:02.000 He's fat. 0.93

01:36:02.000 I would. 0.93

01:36:02.000 He would too. 0.93

01:36:03.000 He's fat. 0.99

01:36:04.000 He knows what he is. 0.99

01:36:05.000 Yeah.

01:36:06.000 It's not the worst thing in the world.

01:36:08.000 Well, whatever.

01:36:10.000 I honestly believe that we're at a tipping point in human civilization. 0.94

01:36:15.000 And I think that what this election is exposing is how ridiculous our process is.

01:36:20.000 That our process was created by people who used to write with feathers.

01:36:23.000 Yeah.

01:36:24.000 I mean, it really was. 0.95

01:36:25.000 It was created by people who rode horses to get around, and they needed a representative government because there was no fucking way you're going to be able to talk to someone in Missouri. 0.56

01:36:32.000 It would take forever, and so they needed someone to talk to those people and then get the word back to Washington. 0.78

01:36:37.000 We don't need that anymore.

01:36:38.000 It's an archaic system, and that archaic system is in many ways being exposed.

01:36:42.000 I made a tweet recently or an Instagram post about this guy that was going over the electoral map like a storm was coming.

01:36:48.000 And he was like pointing at all the states.

01:36:51.000 And I was like, this guy's like talking about storms.

01:36:53.000 He's talking about like, he's doing a forecast.

01:36:56.000 It's so bizarre what we're seeing now.

01:36:58.000 Well, you're so right.

01:36:59.000 I mean, just on the technology front and how we vote, it's like every state has two senators.

01:37:03.000 And the reason they did it back then was because they wanted to make sure that the states like Montana that have nobody living there had some sort of representation.

01:37:10.000 Yes.

01:37:11.000 Yeah.

01:37:23.000 I certainly wouldn't be for changing the Constitution, but the fact that Montana has two senators and California has two senators, California has the 10th biggest economy in the world, something like that.

01:37:34.000 So it's like, that's not right.

01:37:37.000 Technology has changed, so it's not necessary anymore. 0.99

01:37:39.000 The people in Montana can hear all the same shit that the people in California have. 0.95

01:37:43.000 So there are things that are happening now that the system, because it's so ingrained, and because the people that control it and the money... 0.99

01:37:51.000 I don't even think that's a conspiracy.

01:37:52.000 I think that's just the way things work.

01:37:54.000 It's become ingrained, you know?

01:37:55.000 What we love about the Constitution has essentially already been violated.

01:37:59.000 Yeah.

01:38:00.000 You know, by the Patriot Act, the Patriot Act II, the NDAA, there's a lot of weird shit that's already in place that kind of takes away from the things that the Founding Fathers had set up to make sure that tyranny was never embraced.

01:38:14.000 Yeah.

01:38:14.000 We have these...

01:38:17.000 Things that we established a long time ago that we think of when we think of what the United States is.

01:38:22.000 Freedom of speech.

01:38:25.000 You have a right to a fair trial.

01:38:27.000 Well, you don't anymore.

01:38:28.000 With the Patriot Act and with indefinite detention that was provided by the NDAA, they could kind of put you in jail for whatever.

01:38:35.000 They decide they put you in jail because you represent a threat or that you are on a terrorist watch list or whatever.

01:38:41.000 And if they decide that you're a threat to America, You really don't have the right to a trial.

01:38:46.000 They can just lock you up. 0.99

01:38:47.000 I mean, look at what the fuck they did to Chelsea Manning. 1.00

01:38:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:38:50.000 I mean, to this day, she just tried to commit suicide again, apparently. 1.00

01:38:54.000 Yeah.

01:38:55.000 This whole...

01:38:57.000 That, to me, disturbs me almost as much as anything, the way Julian Assange is trapped in a house in London and can't leave.

01:39:05.000 He's in an embassy.

01:39:06.000 So what does that tell you, then, about the progressives that were all about this?

01:39:09.000 They were all about Chelsea Manning.

01:39:12.000 They were all about getting all the information.

01:39:13.000 When it was all breaking, I was completely with them.

01:39:16.000 Look, I believe that... 0.99

01:39:18.000 Governments should be transparent, but there is some shit, are you with me on this, that some shit has to go down that we can't know about. 0.99

01:39:24.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:39:24.000 Yeah, like, that's, I just think it's when people want everything to be fully transparent, it's like... 0.99

01:39:29.000 But the problem is, who gets to keep those secrets?

01:39:31.000 Absolutely.

01:39:32.000 And why?

01:39:32.000 The regular folks.

01:39:33.000 Why does a regular person get to keep those secrets over the American people?

01:39:37.000 Well, I don't know what the right answer to that is, other than you can't have everyone walking around with all the knowledge.

01:39:45.000 That's the problem, and I think someday that's going to be inevitable.

01:39:48.000 That's what I'm saying about technology.

01:39:50.000 That eventually it'll just unfurl the whole thing.

01:39:51.000 The bottleneck is there.

01:39:53.000 And I also think the bottleneck is going to occur with money.

01:39:56.000 Because I think money right now is really just numbers.

01:39:59.000 I mean, money isn't backed by gold anymore.

01:40:02.000 It's just numbers.

01:40:04.000 So that means it's data.

01:40:06.000 So that means it's information.

01:40:08.000 And information, it's going in the direction that information is eventually going to be completely transparent.

01:40:14.000 You're going to be able to share information back and forth.

01:40:17.000 Mm-hmm.

01:40:17.000 I don't know if we're going to be able to hold on to this concept of money.

01:40:20.000 I think the concept of money that we have, it's connected to civilization, and that in itself is only a few thousand years old.

01:40:29.000 I mean, if you look at the invention of money, before that it was sort of like trading in goods and services or whatever it was.

01:40:35.000 You're going back, what, 20,000 years, 30,000 years? 0.95

01:40:38.000 Human beings have been around for a long fucking time. 0.97

01:40:41.000 Culture's been around for a long time. 0.99

01:40:42.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:40:42.000 I thought like...

01:40:43.000 10,000 years?

01:40:44.000 Yeah, 2,000 years.

01:40:45.000 Human beings in this current state are incredibly recent, where we're not even dealing with gold anymore.

01:40:51.000 Now we're just dealing with numbers.

01:40:53.000 I think the next step is that you can't keep track of that anymore.

01:40:56.000 The next step is it's going to be a resource-based economy.

01:41:00.000 Meaning that people are just going to be sharing and trading in resources.

01:41:04.000 And we're going to have to figure out some way to quantify those resources and quantify your value. 0.76

01:41:08.000 And I don't think it's going to be the way it is now where you have these hedge fund managers and these Bernie Madoff twats that are fucking just essentially moving numbers around and making ungodly sums of money.

01:41:20.000 I mean, if you look at the Hamptons, a lot of those fucking people that have these castles out there, and the castles in Connecticut, You have these people that have just figured out a way to move numbers around. 0.78

01:41:32.000 That's all they're doing. 0.98

01:41:32.000 They're moving numbers. 0.98

01:41:33.000 They're playing tricks with the system, basically.

01:41:35.000 Yes, they're extracting money from a broken system.

01:41:37.000 Well, that's why I think that, you know, even when people come after Trump on the money stuff, you know, the whole thing with the $918 million and the write-off and all that.

01:41:44.000 Now, look, we don't know.

01:41:45.000 We haven't seen his taxes.

01:41:46.000 He made it.

01:41:47.000 The election's tomorrow.

01:41:48.000 He made it without showing his taxes. 0.99

01:41:49.000 How the fuck did he do that? 0.99

01:41:50.000 Because, again, it's just trolling the system. 1.00

01:41:53.000 But did you remember when Howard Stern was running for governor and they were forcing him to reveal his taxes and he went, fuck you, I'm out. 0.98

01:41:59.000 Oh, was that what happened to get him to drop, basically? 0.96

01:42:03.000 Howard's a very wise guy, so I would imagine that he knew that was going to happen and didn't really want to be governor anyway.

01:42:09.000 But when he was running for governor, that was the hurdle.

01:42:12.000 They told him he had to expose his taxes.

01:42:14.000 To Howard's credit, I love, love, love Howard.

01:42:18.000 You know, did you see a couple weeks ago, people were asking him to release all the Trump interviews from all the years, from the 20 years?

01:42:25.000 And he said, no, I'm not going to do it because...

01:42:27.000 When people came and come to my studio, we're playing a game, sort of.

01:42:32.000 We're talking about women. 1.00

01:42:33.000 And it would add nothing to this.

01:42:36.000 And Donald Trump was a good sport about it.

01:42:38.000 So for me to betray that, it would be betraying my own self.

01:42:41.000 I thought it was a pretty great principled statement by him.

01:42:43.000 That is great.

01:42:45.000 It's also taking it out of context, the context of being on the Stern show.

01:42:48.000 They did use some of the stuff that he said about supporting the war.

01:42:52.000 So I think somebody else had that video, but I guess there's apparently an archive full of stuff that I guess he owns or...

01:42:58.000 Oh, okay.

01:43:00.000 Well, I mean, there's a time and a place for things, but there's also, you have to think that this guy was not running for president back when he was saying those things.

01:43:10.000 He was just being a silly man on a silly show where it's all about humor and being a good sport and playing a role, as Howard put it.

01:43:19.000 Maybe you're paraphrasing him, but I think that's pretty accurate. 0.97

01:43:22.000 Yeah, he was playing the game. 0.94

01:43:24.000 Look, he would have had an opportunity to get him in the mix again, more publicity for him, and he said, no, that's not what the purpose of what I've built here for the last 40 years is, and I'm not going to throw in on this garbage.

01:43:37.000 So, I thought it was pretty good.

01:43:38.000 Well, you know, I'm sure he probably realizes that if he ever decided to run for government in any form now, the same thing would be used against him.

01:43:46.000 But what does that say about the state of free speech?

01:43:48.000 And that's not him.

01:43:49.000 You know, who he is is when you ask him, what are your well-considered opinions on things right now?

01:43:54.000 And then, you know, whoa, in 1989, you said, you know, that this person's a monkey and, you know... 0.99

01:44:01.000 Think how fucking dangerous that is. 0.99

01:44:04.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:44:04.000 So from the limited amount that I know you, you seem to me to be an extremely principled person. 0.98

01:44:10.000 You have a code that you live by.

01:44:12.000 You care about honesty and being forthright and all of that stuff, right?

01:44:16.000 Think of all the things that you've said here about doing drugs or sex or blah, blah, blah.

01:44:20.000 Someone like you would never want to run for president, ever.

01:44:24.000 Could you even possibly fathom Well, I wouldn't want the job, but if I did run, I don't want to, but if I did, they would definitely use all that stuff against me.

01:44:34.000 But that's why context is so incredibly important.

01:44:36.000 And this is also an incredibly new thing with human beings, being able to extract little sound bites from things that you've said, and whether it's a tweet from Justine Sacco or whatever the fuck it is, and then say, this defines you.

01:44:48.000 This moment, this one moment defines you. 1.00

01:44:51.000 This one moment where someone cuts you off and you go, Fucking cunt! 1.00

01:44:55.000 And you lay on your horn. 1.00

01:44:56.000 This is Dave Rubin.

01:44:58.000 That's it.

01:44:58.000 Do you want Dave Rubin running your country?

01:45:00.000 What if that was your mom that cut off Dave Rubin?

01:45:03.000 What if that woman was headed to the hospital? 1.00

01:45:05.000 What if her baby was dying in the backseat and Dave Rubin called her a cunt? 1.00

01:45:10.000 I mean, you know, that's the world we're living in. 0.99

01:45:12.000 You should be doing voiceovers for that stuff.

01:45:13.000 Thank you very much.

01:45:13.000 That was very good.

01:45:14.000 Thank you.

01:45:14.000 I'm trying to.

01:45:14.000 I'm just throwing a little whatever.

01:45:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:45:18.000 I just think that...

01:45:19.000 But that's the problem.

01:45:19.000 That's the problem.

01:45:20.000 That you can't think of...

01:45:22.000 I mean, even...

01:45:22.000 I'm not...

01:45:23.000 All I'm doing right now is saying what I think as it comes out of my brain, right?

01:45:26.000 I'm not...

01:45:26.000 You're freaking me out.

01:45:27.000 Yeah, it's wild, but...

01:45:28.000 It's all freaking me out.

01:45:29.000 But that's all we're doing here.

01:45:30.000 But anyone, anyone that doesn't like us or wanted to discredit us or anything, and, you know, not to bring it back to Sam again, but you know the types of things that people with really awful intentions have done with misquoting him and all that stuff.

01:45:42.000 And that thing needs to be destroyed.

01:45:45.000 That outrage monster that will find one thing that you did or said once to then destroy every other piece of goodness that you've put out there must end.

01:45:55.000 And that is a big piece of what's happening here, too.

01:45:57.000 I also think discourse in particular, like discourse against Sam, is what a lot of people are doing.

01:46:02.000 They're playing a game and Sam has a high profile and they're using their voice to attack that high profile to make a move on the castle.

01:46:10.000 You know, it's like they're moving chess pieces around and they're using strategy and they're saying, well, he said this about Islam, you know, and do you understand how many billions of people are peaceful Muslims and how offensive this is to say that That's what they're doing.

01:46:23.000 They're taking these positions.

01:46:24.000 And they're also taking these positions in a weird way.

01:46:28.000 Because there's something about writing a blog that's a very cowardly thing when you're attacking someone.

01:46:34.000 Because they don't respond.

01:46:35.000 You want someone to respond back in a blog?

01:46:39.000 You're requiring an incredible amount of their time to sit there and formulate another blog.

01:46:42.000 But you know that, that it's a one-way dialogue.

01:46:45.000 Someone writes an attack blog on Dave Rubin.

01:46:48.000 That's a very cowardly thing, because what they're doing is they're sort of forcing you to respond by establishing a false narrative, or by portraying you in an unfavorable light, by taking things out of context and using them.

01:47:02.000 And a lot of people do it against me.

01:47:04.000 And it's funny when you read it, like, wow, this is weird.

01:47:08.000 Yeah, or that someone spent so much thought on extrapolating something that you said that you didn't either mean or it's like, wow, you really went deep on my psyche in a way that had nothing to do with it.

01:47:18.000 So you know this guy Mike Cernovich by any chance?

01:47:20.000 Yes.

01:47:21.000 Okay, have you had him on?

01:47:22.000 No, I have not.

01:47:22.000 I'm going to smoke some pot.

01:47:24.000 Yeah, smoke some pot.

01:47:24.000 This is all freaking me out.

01:47:26.000 I'm getting freaked out forever.

01:47:28.000 I can't smoke the sativa.

01:47:29.000 Sorry, by the way.

01:47:31.000 So Mike Cernovich I've had on my show.

01:47:33.000 He's big within the...

01:47:35.000 He's the pro-Trump guy.

01:47:37.000 And I'll try to make this really deep so that you can really appreciate it, dude.

01:47:43.000 Anyway... 0.99

01:47:44.000 From having him on, I got more shit than anyone else that I've had on. 0.99

01:47:48.000 Because you had him on? 0.99

01:47:49.000 Because he's thought of as part of the alt, right?

01:47:53.000 Apparently, he had tweeted like three years before I had him on the show.

01:47:56.000 I didn't even know who he was until about two weeks before I had him on.

01:47:59.000 But about three years before that, he had tweeted something that sounded like he was a rape apologist.

01:48:04.000 But it was either a bad joke or it was a little unclear or worded clumsily or whatever.

01:48:09.000 Do you remember what it was?

01:48:10.000 We can probably find it pretty quick.

01:48:12.000 But I don't remember exactly what it was.

01:48:13.000 But then suddenly, I got all these people saying, you see?

01:48:16.000 Ruben had a rape apologist on. 0.95

01:48:18.000 He must hate women or something to that effect. 0.89

01:48:20.000 And it's like, what you guys are doing is just...

01:48:24.000 You're picking, okay, so should I let you pick who I talk to?

01:48:27.000 And that's like, you should have the guy on.

01:48:29.000 You'll get a certain amount of hate for it, but you'll have a really interesting conversation with him.

01:48:33.000 Haven't you had people that you've communicated with that you thought were one way, and as you got to know them better and better, you found out some stuff they had said, and you went, whoa, hold on.

01:48:43.000 There's some things that people say that is just absolutely...

01:48:49.000 Inarguable.

01:48:50.000 You can't support it.

01:48:52.000 There's certain things that people have said that's inexcusable, right?

01:48:55.000 Of course.

01:48:56.000 And you might come across those, too.

01:48:58.000 So I can see the point of taking some things, and maybe they might be even out of context, and using that to sort of, like, say, at the very least, consider this.

01:49:07.000 Sure, but as an interviewer, you or I are not held to... 0.57

01:49:13.000 If we had to basically vet every person that we ever sat down with for every thought that they had three years ago on Twitter, we would have a pretty fucking lonely life.

01:49:23.000 Well, I've had some pretty offensive people on, for sure. 0.98

01:49:25.000 I've gotten a lot of shit for the Milo interviews. 0.98

01:49:27.000 I've gotten a lot of shit for some other people that I've had on, too. 0.98

01:49:29.000 So Milo, I really like Milo. 0.98

01:49:31.000 I've had him over for dinner.

01:49:32.000 I've gone out with him.

01:49:33.000 I think he's a good guy. 1.00

01:49:34.000 He says shit that I would not say. 0.99

01:49:37.000 But it's working. 1.00

01:49:37.000 That's why we're talking about him, much like Trump. 1.00

01:49:39.000 Yeah.

01:49:40.000 Much like what Trump has done.

01:49:41.000 Exactly.

01:49:42.000 And then when they ban Milo, what do you do?

01:49:43.000 You make him stronger.

01:49:44.000 This drives an effect.

01:49:45.000 You make him stronger.

01:49:46.000 I spoke...

01:49:47.000 I did a speech at...

01:49:48.000 At UCLA with Milo, just a little back and forth chat thing.

01:49:52.000 They had all of these kids outside.

01:49:54.000 First of all, there were hundreds of kids trying to get in, but then there was this loud 200 kids literally blocking people.

01:49:59.000 So they're not against walls.

01:50:00.000 They don't like Trump's wall, but they're okay with blocking a wall for other people to exercise their free speech.

01:50:05.000 And they're dumping garbage cans and spitting on cops, getting in cops' faces with cameras, just begging them to just flip in a second.

01:50:13.000 Anyway, we have this great chat.

01:50:15.000 It was really funny, actually.

01:50:17.000 At one point, this girl, In the audience, she just busts about halfway through, starts screaming.

01:50:22.000 People didn't know she was a protester. 0.94

01:50:25.000 She gets in, she starts screaming, I hate you, I hate you, blah, blah, blah. 0.91

01:50:28.000 So I stopped and I said, I bet you, actually, we were going to do a Q&A at the end, but I bet you right now, if you ask Milo one question that you really are burning, or make one point, I bet you he'll respond to you.

01:50:38.000 So I stopped the show, ready for this.

01:50:40.000 So I said, do you have one point? 0.61

01:50:42.000 And the girl just goes, I hate you! 1.00

01:50:44.000 And it was like...

01:50:45.000 Well, she's a kid. 1.00

01:50:46.000 But that's how stupid these people are. 1.00

01:50:48.000 Are they stupid or are they just kids? 1.00

01:50:50.000 Like, when you're talking about these kids that are protesting and stopping people from going into lectures or some of these crazy feminists that have... 1.00

01:50:58.000 You know the scene from the University of Toronto, very famous thing, where they had this guy.

01:51:02.000 They completely misrepresented his opinions on things.

01:51:05.000 And they had painted this guy out to be anti-female and anti-woman as some sort of a men's rights thing.

01:51:11.000 Which is a very bizarre thing.

01:51:13.000 You have to deny that men's rights are applicable. 1.00

01:51:15.000 If you can't be a feminist and also recognize men's rights. 1.00

01:51:19.000 It's very, very bizarre.

01:51:22.000 Yeah, that's one of the big...

01:51:22.000 There's a thing going on where it's as much as trying to get back at the perceived winners of the world when you feel like you've been a loser of the world.

01:51:31.000 That's where I think white privilege is coming from and a lot of this stuff.

01:51:34.000 Not to deny that white people have it easier than black people in terms of dealing with racism.

01:51:40.000 But it doesn't mean that those white people are racist.

01:51:43.000 There's a lot of white people that are your allies.

01:51:45.000 Like, the real problem is the racists themselves, not people who aren't victim of the racists.

01:51:50.000 It's like saying that these people are lucky.

01:51:53.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.99

01:51:54.000 But painting it in some sort of a way, like, where these privileged people, they're assholes for allowing this privilege to even take place. 0.98

01:52:03.000 The problem is always singular. 0.98

01:52:06.000 Of course.

01:52:06.000 The problem is racism itself.

01:52:08.000 The racists themselves are the problem.

01:52:11.000 It's the individual, not the collective.

01:52:13.000 And this is what the left is doing that is literally destroying culture.

01:52:17.000 I think it's a wave, man.

01:52:19.000 I think it's a wave.

01:52:19.000 And I think it's going to pull back just like waves always do.

01:52:22.000 I think there's cycles to things.

01:52:24.000 I mean, I think that's why we went from the 60s to the 70s and the 70s to the 80s.

01:52:28.000 I mean, it also responds to the condemnation of psychedelic drugs.

01:52:34.000 Sweeping Schedule One Act that passed in 1970, which was directly attributable to Richard Nixon realizing that a lot of what was going on, a lot of people that are coming after him, were part of the psychedelic movement.

01:52:43.000 All these Republicans started realizing, like, we have to stop this.

01:52:46.000 This psychedelic movement will destroy our culture. 0.99

01:52:49.000 You go from this Goldwater Republican era to all of a sudden you're dealing with freaks and hippies and Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin, and they're like, stop the fucking fire! 0.98

01:52:59.000 And they just threw as much water on as they could. 0.95

01:53:01.000 They locked a bunch of people in jail and they created laws that made marijuana in particular and all these other drugs.

01:53:07.000 They demonized them so that they could go after the civil rights movement.

01:53:11.000 The people that were in charge of it, they got them for drugs.

01:53:13.000 And so they would go after all these different anti-war protest movements.

01:53:17.000 They would go after them for drugs too.

01:53:19.000 And that Schedule I classification of these things that weren't dangerous or deadly or killing anyone was directly attributable to a strategy where they were going after people that opposed the Vietnam War.

01:53:31.000 The going after people that imposed the administration clearly lying to them about all sorts of things.

01:53:37.000 And that was before they even knew that the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag, the original thing that got us into Vietnam.

01:53:43.000 So there's so much evidence.

01:53:48.000 That this way that people behave when they suppress things, that there's a direct response.

01:53:55.000 First of all, I mean, if you attack someone, they're wounded, they're damaged.

01:53:58.000 And then they rise up, and they go after that attack.

01:54:01.000 And that's what you're seeing with the alt-right.

01:54:03.000 And I don't agree with them on a lot of things they stand for, but I recognize it almost I'm not objective, right?

01:54:11.000 I'm a person.

01:54:12.000 I'm a human being like all of us. 0.99

01:54:13.000 I have my own shit. 0.98

01:54:14.000 But if I was outside of it, trying to look at it objectively, I'm like, oh, this thing goes like this and then it goes like that. 1.00

01:54:19.000 It's like a fucking swing. 0.99

01:54:21.000 It's like a pendulum. 1.00

01:54:22.000 It's like a yin and a yang.

01:54:23.000 It comes in and it comes out. 1.00

01:54:25.000 And I think one of the things that's happening with this alt-right movement and these people that are really super conservative and like, build that fucking wall! 1.00

01:54:34.000 Build that fucking wall! 0.99

01:54:35.000 What you're dealing with is a response to what they perceive to be too much openness from the Obama administration. 1.00

01:54:41.000 This fucking... 0.99

01:54:42.000 Look, Obamacare, I don't know enough about it. 1.00

01:54:45.000 I don't.

01:54:46.000 I don't know enough about it. 0.99

01:54:47.000 But I have friends that are doctors who fucking hate it. 0.96

01:54:50.000 Yeah, I got a friend and doctor in Texas and he thinks it's destroyed his practice. 0.95

01:54:54.000 Bit when they talk to you and they get red in the face, and then they have to stand back and take a drink.

01:54:59.000 I mean, I know people that lost their practice.

01:55:01.000 I know a chiropractor who lost his practice because of it.

01:55:04.000 So I think there's a lot of people that are upset at anyone who's the president.

01:55:09.000 Anyone who's the president. 1.00

01:55:10.000 If you don't get fucking shot... 1.00

01:55:12.000 I mean, this is a joke that I had from my last special. 1.00

01:55:14.000 Who do we like?

01:55:15.000 Kennedy and Lincoln.

01:55:17.000 That's who we like. 1.00

01:55:17.000 If you didn't get shot in the head, we're like, you fucking sellout. 1.00

01:55:21.000 What did you do? 1.00

01:55:22.000 I think that that is just the natural reaction we always have.

01:55:26.000 And I think that's why we go left-right, left-right.

01:55:28.000 I don't think it's a coincidence that we go right from George Bush to Bill Clinton to George W. Bush.

01:55:36.000 I don't think that's a coincidence.

01:55:38.000 I mean, I think that's a very clear response where the government's like, well, now we're this. 0.97

01:55:43.000 And the people are like, well, that doesn't fucking work either. 0.97

01:55:45.000 Let's try this. 0.97

01:55:46.000 And then they swing back and forth.

01:55:48.000 Well, then what do you make of what's happening now?

01:55:49.000 She's very hawkish.

01:55:50.000 She's very hawkish.

01:55:51.000 So you think it actually is a swing back right?

01:55:53.000 I think there's two factors here. 1.00

01:55:55.000 There's the woman factor, which is gigantic because there's a lot of women that vote and a lot of men are fuck-ups. 0.99

01:56:01.000 They're probably going to vote. 0.99

01:56:02.000 I would imagine that women outvote men. 1.00

01:56:04.000 I really think they probably do.

01:56:06.000 I'm just totally guessing.

01:56:07.000 Let's find out.

01:56:08.000 Yeah, I'd love to know some members on that.

01:56:09.000 But I would say that there's a slight advantage.

01:56:11.000 I would say that maybe it'd be like 46-54 for women, in favor of women, that more women vote. 1.00

01:56:17.000 But I think that what you have also is There's no good choice here.

01:56:25.000 So this is a very unique situation.

01:56:27.000 You have this really strong anti-woman feeling that a lot of these gals get from Donald Trump, especially now, right? 0.94

01:56:34.000 There's that. 0.99

01:56:36.000 Again, in that conversation that he had on that bus, I've heard way worse from some people that I love and cherish very deeply, and they're trying to be funny, and they're saying fucked up things that are totally ridiculously gross, and a lot of them are saying it because it's just you and me, and you and me, and we'll just talk some shit. 0.89

01:56:52.000 Yeah, and by the way, words are not actions. 0.85

01:56:55.000 Yeah.

01:56:56.000 And that's what people need to understand.

01:56:57.000 If he did...

01:56:58.000 There you go.

01:56:58.000 Women voted higher rates than men.

01:57:00.000 That might help Clinton in November.

01:57:01.000 See what the number is, Jamie.

01:57:02.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:57:03.000 What does it say?

01:57:04.000 It doesn't say?

01:57:04.000 It has different numbers here for each state.

01:57:07.000 Oh, okay.

01:57:08.000 This is not an overall?

01:57:10.000 Yeah, not here.

01:57:11.000 So the idea, though, that words are in action. 0.99

01:57:14.000 So I'm not defending the grab by the pussy and blah, blah, blah. 1.00

01:57:17.000 And he was sort of saying that he had done it in the past. 1.00

01:57:19.000 So if there had been evidence that he had done those actions, actually assaulted a woman. 0.99

01:57:23.000 Well, there's no evidence unless, you know, a woman's vagina is not made out of Play-Doh. 1.00

01:57:27.000 It's not like fingerprints that are permanent forever, you know? 0.93

01:57:30.000 So that's fully legit, but you can't prosecute him for just saying it.

01:57:32.000 That's my point, is that words... 0.99

01:57:34.000 He said some shit that was gross, right? 0.99

01:57:36.000 But it might not have been true. 0.99

01:57:37.000 And that's my point, it might not have been true.

01:57:39.000 So, words and actions are two different things.

01:57:42.000 Now, maybe you can't prove those things, because yeah, they're not made out of Play-Doh, but...

01:57:46.000 That's still, until it's provable, you can get outraged by it.

01:57:51.000 I see your point.

01:57:52.000 The problem is that just relying completely on the burden of evidence being like physical proof, you're dealing with an act of people touching each other's bodies, and it's just there's not a whole lot of proof when it comes to that.

01:58:04.000 So I agree with that, but then what do you do?

01:58:05.000 I don't know.

01:58:06.000 Where does that put us?

01:58:06.000 Because we know that some people, when they give a rape allegation, we know that there's going to be a lot of people that are telling you the absolute truth as they remember it.

01:58:19.000 There's also going to be crazy people that make things up.

01:58:22.000 There's going to be some spectrum in between those two things. 1.00

01:58:25.000 Where you're going to have people that exaggerate situations, and I'm sure you've had any conversations that you've had with people that maybe you've had a disagreement and they go to someone else, and they completely refame the disagreement like you're a piece of shit. 0.99

01:58:36.000 Yeah, of course. 0.99

01:58:36.000 It's a common thing that people do. 0.99

01:58:37.000 We love to do it, and we love to do it for all kinds of things, and I've been guilty of it, and I'm sure you have, and everybody listening to this thing, I'm sure.

01:58:44.000 As we are learning the very complicated game of communication with human beings and how much is involved in it, the ego and personality conflicts and where you are in your life and your own stresses and frustrations and whatever the fuck is going on, whatever is going on in this big struggle that we're all involved in,

01:59:00.000 right?

01:59:01.000 There's not always a very clear perception of how events went down.

01:59:06.000 Yeah.

01:59:06.000 So you have to take that into consideration.

01:59:09.000 You also have to take into consideration the fact they might be telling the truth.

01:59:11.000 We do not know.

01:59:13.000 So, it's not that there's no evidence, because there's people that are talking.

01:59:17.000 It's just, it's nothing you can put on a scale.

01:59:20.000 And we don't know how to read minds yet.

01:59:22.000 And the problem is, if you read minds, man, I've had some fucking memories of things, then I went back and looked at them, again, like a video of something, and I'm like, wow, I didn't even know I went to there. 0.76

01:59:32.000 We just went over that the other day. 0.80

01:59:33.000 I was talking about Tommy Hearns versus Marvin Hagler, which is one of my all-time favorite fights.

01:59:37.000 I would have swore it was a second-round knockout.

01:59:40.000 No, they went to a third round.

01:59:41.000 Hagler knocked him out in the third round. 0.98

01:59:42.000 I'm like, how the fuck did, in my mind, I would have told you, I'll bet you $1,000. 0.96

01:59:47.000 It was the second round, and I was wrong. 0.99

01:59:49.000 I remembered it.

01:59:50.000 I remembered it wrong.

01:59:51.000 There was moments in the fight where the fight's playing out.

01:59:53.000 And this is something that doesn't have any attachment to me in my life, obviously.

01:59:57.000 I'm not saying that someone's going to misrepresent their own memory.

02:00:01.000 Especially someone who's involved in some sort of a violent crime where they're the victim.

02:00:06.000 I don't know.

02:00:07.000 Because I think...

02:00:09.000 That's got to be absolutely horrific, and it's entirely possible that some people can go through an assault or a crime like that and remember everything.

02:00:16.000 And then there's other people that cannot.

02:00:19.000 There's people that even black out horrible things because the memory is so disturbing to them that they have to block them out, especially molestations.

02:00:28.000 A lot of people go through that later in life when they realize what they were trying to suppress.

02:00:33.000 Your brain is literally trying to save you.

02:00:36.000 Yeah.

02:00:43.000 It's a proven effect.

02:00:46.000 It's a proven effect.

02:00:47.000 So there's all these things that we need to take into consideration.

02:00:50.000 I think there's also the very real cultural benefit of having our first woman president.

02:00:55.000 I think culturally.

02:00:56.000 I just don't think that she's a good representative in terms of her need for financial compensation for speeches and the Goldman Sachs connection and the connection to the Saudis. 0.95

02:01:08.000 I also don't have a fucking clue as to what it's like to deal with foreign policy and foreign leaders. 0.95

02:01:13.000 And I don't know if that's even avoidable. 0.98

02:01:16.000 Well, that's the thing.

02:01:16.000 It's like, you know, people say, well, she's in bed with the Saudis.

02:01:19.000 They're saying, well, guess what? 0.99

02:01:20.000 The Saudis, whether we like it or not, who do horrific things and export all kinds of Wahhabism and real extremism and are bombing the shit out of Yemen and with our weapons and all kinds of stuff. 1.00

02:01:30.000 Well, she also took a million dollars from Qatar. 0.99

02:01:32.000 Qatar right now is using slave labor to build their World Cup stadium, which they may not even get the World Cup.

02:01:39.000 So...

02:01:40.000 It's like, why did they give her a million dollars?

02:01:42.000 It's for something.

02:01:43.000 You know what I mean?

02:01:44.000 It's not for nothing.

02:01:45.000 You don't give a million dollars for no reason. 0.99

02:01:47.000 But that, again, goes to, like, we're seeing how all this shit is made right now. 0.99

02:01:51.000 And the simple fact is, if you're upset that she has a close relationship with the Saudis, then you gotta hate Obama for it, too. 0.98

02:01:57.000 Where I think a lot of these people are letting that slide.

02:02:00.000 I'm not even making a judgment call on it as much to say as...

02:02:03.000 There are things that are going on at extremely high levels for governments and that we just have to try to decipher some truth to it because we're not going to get it other way.

02:02:11.000 Saudi Arabia women can't drive. 1.00

02:02:13.000 They can barely go out without men.

02:02:15.000 They are stuck in, as Bill Maher says, beekeeper costumes in the burqas. 0.98

02:02:18.000 Right?

02:02:19.000 I mean all of these things.

02:02:20.000 Well, how could they possibly be our ally if we're four women?

02:02:23.000 If Barack Obama is four women, if Hillary Clinton is four women, how is Saudi Arabia one of our most stable allies that we give a ton of money to if that's what it is? 0.90

02:02:33.000 The only thing that I would take into consideration is that If I was trying to figure this out as an outsider, I would see there's got to be some benefit to keeping people like that connected to you and obligated to communicate with you and your friend.

02:02:51.000 But not just oil.

02:02:53.000 Also, establishing a non-combative relationship with a very, very wealthy Middle East country.

02:03:00.000 That there more could be done with honey than with vinegar.

02:03:03.000 You know, that this idea of being connected with those people, there might be some sort of a benefit.

02:03:07.000 Because they're so alien to us, and they're so dominant in their control over their environment.

02:03:12.000 Like, you look at these dictators in these foreign countries that we supported for so many years, and you can make the argument that they're horrible, absolutely terrible people that we should have nothing to do with. 0.76

02:03:22.000 You could also make the argument that that part of the world is so fucked up that you have to somehow or another maintain some sort of friendly connection to the people that are in power. 0.99

02:03:33.000 And then that might be the best way to keep everybody safe while we figure out a fucking strategy, how to deal with religious fundamentalist crazy people that literally have trillions of dollars at their disposal to do anything they want. 0.99

02:03:44.000 From the Saudis, by the way. 0.99

02:03:45.000 Yes, and not just from the Saudis.

02:03:46.000 I mean, there's a gigantic chunk of the Middle East that has so much money, it's incomprehensible.

02:03:51.000 And not everyone, just a few people, oligarchs, monarchs, and these people that have...

02:03:56.000 Look, in Abu Dhabi, they make it rain every week.

02:04:00.000 They make it rain.

02:04:01.000 Yeah, literally.

02:04:01.000 They literally seed the sky.

02:04:02.000 They do cloud seeding, and they make it rain.

02:04:05.000 Like, it's the desert, and they use their money to make it rain.

02:04:09.000 Like, not as strip club...

02:04:10.000 That wasn't hyperbole.

02:04:13.000 It was actually real.

02:04:14.000 Well think about Egypt is the best example of what you're talking about because Egypt for 30 years had Mubarak This was a guy.

02:04:19.000 He was a military guy backed by the United States horrible on human rights and all that other stuff But he kept control of the country basically kept their borders kept peace with Israel basically kept things under control I was in Egypt in 97 and it was pretty disgusting actually even going to the pyramids it was the pollution was terrible and It was the people weren't friendly like I would love to go back.

02:04:43.000 I have a friend there now who I Who's a youtuber this guy Joe who probably will show his face.

02:04:49.000 He's an atheist and a free thinker.

02:04:50.000 Whoa If I could ever get him to the United States, you should have me here the guys really he's great and he does that like freely and openly in Egypt Sometimes he disappears for months and then yes, I He doesn't really publicly say exactly what he's doing, but when I had him on the show, I said to him,

02:05:06.000 you know, if you want to wear a Spider-Man mask, you don't have to show your face.

02:05:08.000 You know, you do whatever you want.

02:05:09.000 And he said, no, I want to show my face.

02:05:12.000 So, anyway, they had Mubarak for 30 years.

02:05:14.000 He kept the Muslim Brotherhood. 0.99

02:05:15.000 They were illegal under the time.

02:05:16.000 Then they have the Tahrir Square Revolution.

02:05:19.000 What happens?

02:05:20.000 We, partly, they depose of Mubarak.

02:05:23.000 They get the Muslim Brotherhood through democracy. 0.93

02:05:26.000 And then a year later, they realized these guys are way worse.

02:05:29.000 So what they got from democracy was way worse.

02:05:31.000 So then what happens?

02:05:32.000 The military then steps in and then has a coup, overthrows the democracy, and now they have a military leader again.

02:05:40.000 The United States the entire time supported all of that.

02:05:42.000 So it's like, this is the problem with democracy, and we know this from Iraq, too.

02:05:46.000 It's like, you can give democracy, but if the institutions aren't there ready to support it, You could get a lot of bad people then, and then, you know, it's just, it's over.

02:05:56.000 Like, what the hell's going on?

02:05:57.000 You mentioned Benghazi before. 0.68

02:05:59.000 We got rid of Gaddafi, who is obviously a bad dude.

02:06:02.000 Do you have any idea what kind of government there is in Libya right now?

02:06:04.000 Nobody knows.

02:06:05.000 It's a scary state.

02:06:06.000 Yeah.

02:06:06.000 That's a state of chaos.

02:06:08.000 Right, so it was a state before that.

02:06:11.000 Are you aware of Amber Lyon?

02:06:14.000 And Amber Lyon, when she was working for CNN, and she did a piece on Bahrain.

02:06:19.000 Notice I said Bahrain like an American, not Bahrain.

02:06:23.000 Bahrain.

02:06:25.000 Thank you for dumbing that down for me.

02:06:26.000 It's not that.

02:06:27.000 I just don't want to be pretentious.

02:06:28.000 I was born in New Jersey.

02:06:30.000 Like when Obama says Pakistan.

02:06:31.000 Pakistan, yeah. 0.59

02:06:33.000 Or Latinos. 1.00

02:06:34.000 Latinos.

02:06:35.000 Well, now you have to say Latinx.

02:06:36.000 So that you're not...

02:06:38.000 It's not Latinos. 1.00

02:06:38.000 That implies men. 1.00

02:06:40.000 Or Latinas implies women. 1.00

02:06:41.000 Now you say Latinx. 1.00

02:06:43.000 Because if you're a fucking idiot... 1.00

02:06:44.000 Why don't we call ourselves humex instead of humans? 1.00

02:06:46.000 It's coming.

02:06:46.000 You just started it.

02:06:47.000 I like it.

02:06:48.000 I'm a humex.

02:06:49.000 That sounds dope.

02:06:50.000 Yeah.

02:06:51.000 What kind of species are there?

02:06:52.000 Humex.

02:06:53.000 Yeah, there's male and female humex. 0.99

02:06:56.000 If you say human, right?

02:06:58.000 It's so rude.

02:06:58.000 It's rude.

02:06:59.000 Why not human, woman, man?

02:07:01.000 History?

02:07:02.000 What about her story?

02:07:04.000 I mean, come on, Joe.

02:07:05.000 Yeah, man.

02:07:06.000 What about her story?

02:07:07.000 So Amber Lyons, because of her stories, she does this investigative piece on Bahrain, and CNN completely turns it into a vacation and tourism commercial.

02:07:19.000 They cut out all the bad stuff, aired it, and...

02:07:23.000 I don't remember if she... 0.99

02:07:23.000 Jamie, do you remember if she got fired or if she went up resigning? 0.99

02:07:27.000 Do you remember?

02:07:29.000 Anyway...

02:07:31.000 That sounds like a resigning, if she was pissed. 0.80

02:07:34.000 I don't remember if she was fired or if she resigned.

02:07:37.000 I'm sorry, I don't remember.

02:07:38.000 But the point is, she came on my podcast, she wrote a book, and she sort of explained what would really go on when you try to put together these pieces.

02:07:50.000 In defense of CNN, I know they had a rebuttal to what she said, and they disagreed with her framing of it, her memory of it.

02:07:57.000 I don't know.

02:07:58.000 But it sounds to me like whatever stuff that she found that was very questionable did not make the air.

02:08:04.000 And that's probably why.

02:08:05.000 I mean, the CIA has talked pretty openly about having people that work in different news organizations where they sort of frame the news.

02:08:14.000 Yeah.

02:08:15.000 Well, look, that goes to everything we've been talking about.

02:08:17.000 This all seems to be coming back to this idea of the online world and the old school thing.

02:08:23.000 They're like starting to have parody now, where what we're doing is as influential.

02:08:27.000 You, Joe Rogan, is more influential than anybody on CNN in reality.

02:08:32.000 In the reality of...

02:08:33.000 Yeah, but not Fox News.

02:08:34.000 That Megyn Kelly. 0.81

02:08:35.000 Megyn Kelly.

02:08:36.000 Man, she, Megyn Kelly.

02:08:38.000 She's so hot. 0.99

02:08:38.000 If you weren't gay, dude, you would understand. 0.99

02:08:40.000 I'd still do it. 0.99

02:08:41.000 I'd still do it.

02:08:42.000 That's how hot she is. 1.00

02:08:42.000 There's something violent about her. 1.00

02:08:44.000 Gay dudes were like, God damn, something violent, like masculine, like you would think of her as a man. 1.00

02:08:49.000 I feel like she has a big dick. 1.00

02:08:51.000 Wow. 1.00

02:08:51.000 It's in her brain, though. 1.00

02:08:53.000 It's in her brain. 1.00

02:08:54.000 She has a big dick in her brain. 1.00

02:08:55.000 I don't think it externalizes. 1.00

02:08:57.000 You know they're trying to give her $20 million and she hasn't accepted yet?

02:09:00.000 Good for her.

02:09:01.000 You go, girl.

02:09:01.000 She's great.

02:09:02.000 Get that $40.

02:09:03.000 Get $40. 0.99

02:09:04.000 It's fucking worth it. 1.00

02:09:05.000 The network's useless without you. 1.00

02:09:06.000 Wherever she goes, I'm watching. 0.99

02:09:08.000 Isn't that crazy, though?

02:09:09.000 I mean, think about it.

02:09:10.000 She deserves it.

02:09:11.000 She's got perfect cheeks.

02:09:12.000 She does.

02:09:13.000 She's got good cheeks, bro.

02:09:14.000 She deserves it.

02:09:16.000 She's a very good talker, too, man.

02:09:18.000 She's good.

02:09:18.000 She's very eloquent.

02:09:19.000 Did you see that thing that you went at it with Newt Gingrich?

02:09:21.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

02:09:21.000 Newt Gingrich is a fucker, isn't he? 1.00

02:09:24.000 He's, you know, I have a little bit of a love-hate thing with him because I do think he's really smart. 1.00

02:09:28.000 He's very smart.

02:09:29.000 The guy's really smart.

02:09:29.000 He understands, like, when I talked before about, like, knowing what the role of government is and all that stuff that we should know more about in civics and all that.

02:09:36.000 Like, that guy gets it in and out.

02:09:38.000 And whether you agree with his politics or not, he did do some stuff with the contract to America to, you know, move the country in a certain way.

02:09:46.000 I'm actually surprised he hasn't run for president.

02:09:47.000 Well, he ran four years ago, and they basically remember at that point when- Oh, that's right.

02:09:52.000 That was the whole ding with his wife, and he left his wife when she was sick, and married another bra, and then- But, you know, in a weird way, he was the precursor to Trump, because do you remember that during those primaries, he would be, you know, he was really good with zingers and with some comedy, and he would get the audience to applaud and cheer and boo, 0.99

02:10:09.000 talking about the media, ah, the media, and they'd boo and hiss, and then suddenly the moderators started saying every time, there'll be no booing or applauding or, And it's like, sit there like a fucking robot. 0.99

02:10:19.000 It's 1984. You can't express your disdain. 0.98

02:10:22.000 That's American.

02:10:23.000 They do it now.

02:10:24.000 Booing and cheering is American. 0.60

02:10:24.000 They do it now in the debates. 0.60

02:10:26.000 Yeah, of course.

02:10:26.000 They'll be...

02:10:27.000 Silence!

02:10:28.000 You know, it's like...

02:10:28.000 Because she'd be in jail.

02:10:30.000 Remember that?

02:10:31.000 Yeah.

02:10:31.000 Because you'd...

02:10:32.000 Oh, you'd be in jail.

02:10:33.000 Because you'd be in jail.

02:10:34.000 Boom! 0.99

02:10:35.000 That was, in my mind, the best bomb ever dropped on a presidential debate.

02:10:39.000 Next to, I knew Jack Kennedy.

02:10:41.000 You're no Jack Kennedy.

02:10:42.000 Remember that?

02:10:43.000 Yeah, it's a great line.

02:10:44.000 Against Dan Quayle.

02:10:45.000 We don't even remember who the other dude is.

02:10:46.000 That was Lloyd Benson.

02:10:48.000 Ah, that's right.

02:10:49.000 Lloyd Benson.

02:10:49.000 Yeah.

02:10:50.000 Yeah, man.

02:10:52.000 Politics...

02:10:52.000 Doesn't that seem like another...

02:10:53.000 That seems like something else.

02:10:54.000 You talk about parallel universe.

02:10:56.000 It doesn't that...

02:10:56.000 I watched...

02:10:57.000 This is going to be corny as hell, but about two weeks ago, I was sitting Saturday afternoon, I'm just flipping the channels.

02:11:03.000 C-SPAN comes on.

02:11:04.000 They're replaying the 1992 debate between George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton running for the first time, and Perot.

02:11:11.000 And I watched about a half hour of it, like three o'clock on a Saturday, and it really was like being in an alternate universe.

02:11:16.000 It felt so different.

02:11:18.000 They were actually talking about economics.

02:11:20.000 Ross Perot with his...

02:11:23.000 And it was like, wow, there was actual, it was about politics. 0.99

02:11:29.000 Maybe it was completely fucked up. 1.00

02:11:30.000 Maybe it was all bullshit and lies and all that stuff, but it was about politics. 1.00

02:11:34.000 And that was only, what is that? 0.99

02:11:36.000 That's 20 years ago, basically.

02:11:38.000 Yeah, this is a different era.

02:11:39.000 This is the reality TV show era.

02:11:42.000 Yeah.

02:11:42.000 I used to have this joke that I never figured out how to get to work, but it's sort of just an observation.

02:11:46.000 That there's so many people with shows where there's just a...

02:11:50.000 Like, this is like when Jersey Shore was around.

02:11:52.000 Like, we're going to have a show one day where it's going to be a reality show about a reality cameraman.

02:11:57.000 And then we're going to follow that guy around as he goes to all these exotic places and films these people, getting drunk on the beach.

02:12:04.000 And then one day we're going to want to know, who's the man behind the camera behind the man behind the camera?

02:12:09.000 And then we're going to follow that guy around.

02:12:10.000 He's going to get a reality show.

02:12:11.000 It's going to be a reality show about a cameraman who's on a reality show about a cameraman who's a reality show cameraman.

02:12:17.000 The spin-offs are endless.

02:12:19.000 And then it's going to go deeper and deeper and deeper until the whole world is filled with people on a reality show while they're holding up a camera, like two mirrors facing themselves with infinite cameramen in each direction.

02:12:28.000 That's what we have right now.

02:12:30.000 That is some good weed.

02:12:31.000 Well, this is what we have, though.

02:12:33.000 It is good weed, but it's an old bit that I never figured out how to get to work.

02:12:36.000 But the point being is, like, this is what we're experiencing.

02:12:40.000 This is what we're experiencing with phones.

02:12:42.000 It might not be on a network, on Bravo, coming up next at 8. It's Mike, the cameraman, on a reality show.

02:12:49.000 It doesn't have to be by a network.

02:12:52.000 It is what you're having with something like Periscope. 0.96

02:12:55.000 It is what you're having when people are live Facebook streaming from amusement parks or whatever the fuck they're doing. 0.98

02:13:00.000 It's a reality show. 0.89

02:13:01.000 How do you blend how much of your Joe Rogan, the actual human, versus Joe Rogan, the public person?

02:13:08.000 Where do you put that line?

02:13:10.000 Like in terms of periscoping from home or showing...

02:13:13.000 I don't do home stuff because they're not public people.

02:13:15.000 My wife and kids aren't public people.

02:13:17.000 They don't want to be.

02:13:18.000 They're just regular people.

02:13:19.000 Just because they know me doesn't mean I should drag them into this nonsense.

02:13:23.000 Right.

02:13:24.000 I just think...

02:13:25.000 All of us could do better with a little less interaction digitally.

02:13:31.000 I think it's happening so fast that, you know, like we're talking about people at restaurants that are constantly on their phone, and when you check them on it, they get upset.

02:13:39.000 I've been upset.

02:13:40.000 People tell me to put my phone down.

02:13:42.000 I'm like, I gotta do this!

02:13:43.000 It's normal.

02:13:43.000 It's a natural reaction I think we have.

02:13:45.000 I think all of us are going to eventually, though, step into that great divide in the future Is going to be everybody all the time connected to everybody all the time, and it's going to be very weird.

02:13:59.000 I think it's going to change thought.

02:14:01.000 I think we really are going to become like some sort of a bizarre hive mind.

02:14:06.000 Well, they do.

02:14:07.000 They've done studies where the internet already, when they look at internet addicts, that they find that the wiring in their brain actually has changed.

02:14:14.000 It's changed certain synapse.

02:14:16.000 It's actually caused, like, membranes to shrink and to all kinds of stuff.

02:14:21.000 Last...

02:14:22.000 I think it was May.

02:14:23.000 For eight days, I never take off.

02:14:26.000 I don't remember the last time I took some actual time off.

02:14:28.000 I took eight days off, went to Mexico.

02:14:30.000 I locked my phone in a safe.

02:14:32.000 Whoa.

02:14:33.000 Actually, my husband did it.

02:14:34.000 Locked the phone in the safe.

02:14:35.000 I did not know the code.

02:14:36.000 Whoa.

02:14:36.000 And for eight days, I sat on a beach.

02:14:38.000 It was at an all-inclusive place in Cabo.

02:14:40.000 That's like bondage.

02:14:40.000 It was literally the dirtiest thing we've ever done.

02:14:45.000 Yeah.

02:14:47.000 Digital bondage.

02:14:48.000 You want that phone?

02:14:49.000 Yeah, it was really, it was wild.

02:14:50.000 Dirty.

02:14:51.000 But for eight days, I had no phone. 0.88

02:14:53.000 And I kid you not, I mean, I felt my brain kind of resetting.

02:14:56.000 You know, I felt some things happening.

02:14:58.000 And also, I felt more patient.

02:15:00.000 I felt like, you know, in conversations where, you know, not like this, but where you're constantly just distracted by every little thing.

02:15:07.000 Like, I got away from it.

02:15:08.000 And then when I got back on the grid, you know, because immediately the second I got off the plane and I was, you know, doing my thing...

02:15:14.000 I realized, wow, you know, the world went on.

02:15:15.000 It was alright.

02:15:16.000 It was actually okay. 0.99

02:15:17.000 Yeah, I missed some shit. 0.99

02:15:18.000 Something happened on my show that got a lot of news. 0.99

02:15:21.000 I didn't know about it for eight days.

02:15:23.000 But, like, the world went on. 0.99

02:15:25.000 Yeah, it was just like some shit happened. 0.99

02:15:27.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:15:28.000 I mean, like I said, I'm not trying to judge people who are using these things, using these devices.

02:15:34.000 I'm just trying to talk about it as honestly as I can.

02:15:35.000 Because I think it's almost inevitable.

02:15:38.000 But I think for your own personal good, it has to be managed carefully.

02:15:42.000 I think you have to take audit of all the stuff that's in your life.

02:15:45.000 And if you spend, like I have...

02:15:48.000 An hour and a half just reading through tweets about like almost nothing.

02:15:53.000 Yeah.

02:15:54.000 And just looking for something interesting.

02:15:55.000 Just constantly scrolling, looking for something interesting.

02:15:57.000 Like...

02:15:58.000 Step away from that thing.

02:15:59.000 Because you're impulsively, me speaking, me talking to me, impulsively checking images on Instagram. 0.98

02:16:06.000 What cool shit do people post up? 0.93

02:16:08.000 What interesting MMA news is out there right now? 0.99

02:16:11.000 What is the latest trending topics on Twitter? 0.96

02:16:15.000 After a while, what the fuck am I doing? 0.99

02:16:17.000 How about my life? 0.99

02:16:18.000 What about me as a person?

02:16:19.000 What am I doing?

02:16:20.000 I'm not even paying attention.

02:16:21.000 Yeah.

02:16:21.000 Well, that's why I framed it like that, between Joe Rogan, the public person, and then actually the human that has to go ahead and live and do this operation and have kids and a wife and all those things.

02:16:30.000 Those are two separate things, and yet you've got to bring them somehow into harmony so that they can exist together.

02:16:37.000 A big one's meditation and thinking.

02:16:40.000 Meditation and thinking about what you actually want to do versus what your momentum is leading you towards.

02:16:45.000 For me, it's isolation tanks.

02:16:48.000 That's the big one.

02:16:49.000 I have one in my basement.

02:16:50.000 I use it all the time.

02:16:51.000 I think about things there in an undistracted way, and I take an evaluation of how I'm thinking.

02:16:58.000 I always like it.

02:17:00.000 It's one of the things that people don't like about getting high, and it's one of the things that people don't like about isolation tanks.

02:17:04.000 Or yoga class, too.

02:17:06.000 I was talking with my yoga instructor the other day. 1.00

02:17:08.000 She was saying it forces people to examine their shit. 1.00

02:17:11.000 It does. 1.00

02:17:12.000 It forces you to look at your stuff when you're struggling.

02:17:16.000 And yoga seems so easy when you just say the word.

02:17:19.000 It seems like something, oh, you're just grabbing your feet. 0.99

02:17:21.000 No, it's fucking hard, man. 0.99

02:17:23.000 It's hard. 0.98

02:17:23.000 That room is 104 degrees. 0.98

02:17:25.000 Speaking of fucked up, did you see that HBO Real Sports thing with that Bikram guy? 1.00

02:17:29.000 No. 0.99

02:17:30.000 They interviewed Bikram yoga guy. 1.00

02:17:31.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:17:33.000 They're taking his name off their yoga studio now. 1.00

02:17:36.000 Oh, he's killing people?

02:17:37.000 No, no, no, no. 1.00

02:17:39.000 He's just like a crazy fuck who was saying that all these women, you know, have lied because he's been accused of sexual assault and that people pay a million dollars for one drop of his sperm. 1.00

02:17:50.000 He's like, one drop of my sperm, one million dollars they pay. 1.00

02:17:54.000 Like, he's crazy! 0.99

02:17:55.000 I mean, he's a guru, right? 0.57

02:17:58.000 He's this yoga guru who's responsible for... 0.99

02:18:01.000 It's really an excellent sort of analogy to how weird and fucked up human beings are. 0.91

02:18:08.000 That we are not perfect in any way, shape, or form. 0.87

02:18:10.000 You have this guy who brought this thing, this Bikram Yoga, to America.

02:18:15.000 And he didn't create it.

02:18:16.000 It's been around for thousands of years.

02:18:18.000 And he tried to sue people for the patent and all the movements he lost.

02:18:21.000 He was like, you can't patent yoga.

02:18:23.000 But this guy has brought yoga in sort of...

02:18:28.000 Promoted yoga to who knows how many millions of people.

02:18:31.000 He's like one of the most directly responsible people for promoting this stuff.

02:18:35.000 But then you see him as a person. 1.00

02:18:37.000 You're like, oh my god, he's a crazy fuck. 1.00

02:18:39.000 He won't let people go to the bathroom. 1.00

02:18:40.000 You have to sit there and listen to him talk.

02:18:42.000 And if you have to go, you're gonna go in your pants. 1.00

02:18:44.000 Like, it's all like cult shit. 0.99

02:18:46.000 He makes him stay up all night and watch Bollywood movies. 1.00

02:18:50.000 He's a crazy man. 0.99

02:18:51.000 He's got Rolls Royces and shit, and they busted him with all these cars. 1.00

02:18:54.000 And he said that he was going to open up a school for children to learn automobiles. 0.99

02:18:59.000 Oh, yes.

02:18:59.000 So that's why he bought these Rolls Royces.

02:19:01.000 Yes, yes.

02:19:01.000 The school for underprivileged children with Rolls Royces.

02:19:04.000 It's amazing.

02:19:05.000 It's amazing.

02:19:05.000 But I think...

02:19:06.000 But that goes to the worship thing that we were talking about and that's like we see these people worshipping Hillary or worshipping Trump and it's like they are not going to solve all your problems and not only are they not going to solve problems, they shouldn't.

02:19:17.000 The president should keep the roads safe.

02:19:22.000 The president should make sure nobody bombs us.

02:19:24.000 The president should make sure the economy keeps chugging along.

02:19:26.000 Just think about all those jobs that you just said.

02:19:28.000 How does one person have those three important jobs?

02:19:31.000 That's a lot. 0.99

02:19:31.000 That's fucking crazy. 0.99

02:19:32.000 Well, you get a guy for the roads. 1.00

02:19:33.000 There's a guy. 0.95

02:19:34.000 All of it's ridiculous. 0.92

02:19:35.000 You get the department of something or other. 0.96

02:19:36.000 Yeah, we gotta call him.

02:19:37.000 Hey man, you doing your job?

02:19:38.000 Yeah.

02:19:39.000 Gotta go check.

02:19:39.000 Are these roads working?

02:19:40.000 You gotta fly in Arizona.

02:19:41.000 Let me see the road.

02:19:42.000 Let me check the road out.

02:19:43.000 But that's actually the point.

02:19:45.000 Like, they're not supposed to be our god.

02:19:48.000 They're not supposed to be our emperor.

02:19:50.000 They're supposed to keep the ship afloat.

02:19:52.000 But as human beings, as chimps, we want a god.

02:19:55.000 We want, yeah.

02:19:56.000 We want to bring JFK back to life.

02:19:58.000 We want to clone him.

02:19:58.000 And even him.

02:20:00.000 He would never survive today. 1.00

02:20:01.000 All the crazy shit that guy was up to. 1.00

02:20:03.000 That's the point. 1.00

02:20:04.000 He would have made Wiener look like a Catholic schoolboy.

02:20:07.000 If you gave him an Instagram account.

02:20:12.000 I think there's so many people like that that are complicated.

02:20:15.000 We have this narrative that's been created by film and by books.

02:20:20.000 We have this false narrative of this perfect human being, this John Wayne character who rides off in the sunset.

02:20:26.000 This Clint Eastwood, where, you know, Sandra Locke is always waving goodbye to him as he rides off.

02:20:31.000 You know, away from the Indians like this is all a false narrative and it's created in such a potent way that our brains are stained by that and we kind of expect that out of our leaders instead of I think that's not the case in other countries like in Europe in particular right in Europe like in France like Politicians, 1.00

02:20:49.000 they have fucking affairs and shit. 0.99

02:20:51.000 Berscaloni was like running a brothel or something. 1.00

02:20:54.000 It's Italy.

02:20:55.000 Italy is another example.

02:20:57.000 It's a different world.

02:20:58.000 We've developed a very strange culture over here in America.

02:21:02.000 Very strange and in a lot of ways confused culture.

02:21:05.000 Both in the positive and in the negative.

02:21:07.000 Both in the condemnation of things that people like Trump have said or people like Clinton have allegedly done.

02:21:15.000 And also our reaction to it.

02:21:17.000 Both of them were weird. 0.97

02:21:19.000 We're just fucking weird, man. 0.97

02:21:21.000 And I don't think we've really fully embraced our weirdness as a species yet. 0.99

02:21:26.000 I think that's part of the problem with being a president in the first place. 1.00

02:21:30.000 It's based on bullshit. 0.99

02:21:32.000 It's based on the idea that you can give people power and they won't abuse it because of an ancient scroll. 1.00

02:21:39.000 That's really what it is. 0.97

02:21:40.000 Someone many, many moons ago, before electricity, they figured out how to make ink out of bugs and shit. 0.97

02:21:47.000 What did they use? 0.98

02:21:48.000 Charcoal? 0.99

02:21:49.000 What the fuck did they use to make ink? 0.98

02:21:50.000 I was going to buy the bugs. 0.99

02:21:52.000 That seems sensible.

02:21:53.000 They just dipped their quill into that, and they would write on a scroll, which, by the way, was mostly made out of hemp.

02:21:58.000 They used hemp paper.

02:22:00.000 Well, look, everyone is incredibly complex, and it has to do with, we're all flawed.

02:22:04.000 We all fail every day and succeed at other things.

02:22:07.000 You could look at Thomas Jefferson.

02:22:09.000 I was at, my cousin got married near Monticello in Virginia, and that's where his house was and everything, where he... 0.97

02:22:15.000 Where he lived and owned slaves and had sex with some of the slaves, and one of the slaves had sex with several of them, I think. 0.98

02:22:21.000 He was having a good time. 0.99

02:22:22.000 I bet he did.

02:22:23.000 But think about that.

02:22:23.000 He was writing the very laws that ultimately freed the slaves.

02:22:27.000 While at the same time, in effect, you could argue, and I'm sure people have argued this, that he was raping a slave because if it is about power, even if she was fully down with it, She was his slave.

02:22:36.000 Absolutely.

02:22:38.000 But at the same time, he was also writing the very laws to free them.

02:22:43.000 That shows you how flawed all of us are.

02:22:46.000 That you could hate him for owning slaves.

02:22:50.000 You could hate him for having this relationship with this woman and all that.

02:22:54.000 And at the same time, he was instrumental in writing the very laws that made us all equal.

02:22:59.000 So that goes, and you could, that's why it's so dangerous when you look back on a different time and you try to apply our morality of today on other people.

02:23:09.000 It's on other times. 1.00

02:23:11.000 It's so dangerous because you could look at him and go, fuck that guy. 1.00

02:23:13.000 Let's erase every bit of history the way we did with the Dukes of Hazzard car and all that shit. 1.00

02:23:19.000 And that's crazy. 0.99

02:23:20.000 It's a thing that existed.

02:23:21.000 Confederate flags go back to the generally?

02:23:24.000 To the General Lee, yeah.

02:23:26.000 I think it should be on the car and TV Land shouldn't have taken the show off the air.

02:23:30.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:30.000 Like, Bill Cosby, I told you this last time I was here, like, that guy was my hero.

02:23:34.000 I went into comedy because I was five years old and I saw Bill Cosby himself and he's talking about chocolate cake and, you know, Theo and Vanessa and the whole thing. 0.91

02:23:42.000 And I thought it was the funniest fucking thing ever and it changed my life. 0.80

02:23:46.000 It changed the course of my life. 1.00

02:23:47.000 Now my childhood hero is the biggest serial rapist of all time. 0.99

02:23:50.000 Of all time. 1.00

02:23:51.000 Yeah, that's depressing.

02:23:53.000 Yeah.

02:23:53.000 That's another great example.

02:23:55.000 Holy shit. 0.99

02:23:56.000 So really, think about what goodness. 1.00

02:23:57.000 You could absolutely draw a line between Bill Cosby and Barack Obama.

02:24:00.000 You can clearly draw a line that if Bill Cosby- That sounds so racist. 0.98

02:24:06.000 They're both black, so there you go. 0.99

02:24:07.000 No.

02:24:08.000 But you could draw a line to say that if that show had not been on NBC primetime and had he not done that middle-class, upstanding family that was incredibly funny and all the great stuff about Cosby, that that led to eventually, 20-some-odd years later, Barack Obama being president. 0.97

02:24:23.000 And at the same time, he was a horrific rapist. 0.95

02:24:27.000 Do you think that... 0.99

02:24:28.000 Like a lot of his morality, and this goes back to the sort of tide thing, the slingshot effect, that a lot of his sort of projected morality was to make up for the fact that he was drugging chicks and raping them. 0.97

02:24:39.000 So he was America's dad, right? 0.97

02:24:42.000 And he was also like the upstanding citizen for the black community to get upset if comedians would swear.

02:24:48.000 Yeah, that whole thing with Eddie Murphy.

02:24:50.000 Yeah, I mean, and not just him, or not just Eddie Murphy, but I believe the same with Dave Chappelle.

02:24:56.000 I think he had a problem with Chris Rock. 0.99

02:24:58.000 You know, what he stood for was like this really conservative, really friendly, you know, we don't talk about dicks and pussies and all that stuff. 0.98

02:25:08.000 Like, he had a whole thing about, like, when he was really old, too, before he got caught. 0.98

02:25:13.000 It was a whole thing about, well, we talk about it, but we don't.

02:25:18.000 We don't hit on it.

02:25:20.000 You know what I'm saying.

02:25:22.000 Can every comedian do a Cosby?

02:25:24.000 It's not even that impressive.

02:25:26.000 That's probably the only second time I've ever tried it.

02:25:28.000 It's pretty decent.

02:25:29.000 Thank you.

02:25:29.000 It needs work, let's be honest.

02:25:31.000 But the point being is that this guy was the most vocal.

02:25:35.000 You never heard George Wallace tell other comedians what they should do.

02:25:40.000 You never hear that from Paul Mooney, maybe.

02:25:43.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:25:45.000 It's like you don't Well, I guess partly that may have been because Cosby became such a big institution.

02:25:51.000 You know what I mean?

02:25:52.000 It wasn't like, I love both those guys, especially George Wallace, I think is absolutely hilarious.

02:25:57.000 But he never got the level of mainstream success where what he says has some sort of cultural significance.

02:26:04.000 It stays within the comedy world.

02:26:06.000 Cosby got to the place of...

02:26:08.000 It's something else.

02:26:10.000 It's beyond what 99.999% of comics or any public figure actually gets.

02:26:15.000 He gets a place in...

02:26:18.000 You know, the scheme of history, so it's different.

02:26:20.000 Well, yeah, he was the best example of, like, the elevated person from this minority.

02:26:29.000 Like, the best example.

02:26:30.000 Very well-spoken.

02:26:32.000 He got a doctorate.

02:26:33.000 I think he got kind of a legit one, or he got an honorary one.

02:26:37.000 I'm pretty sure it was legit.

02:26:38.000 The legit one was, like, from a paper that he had to write in graduate school or something like that.

02:26:43.000 See if you...

02:26:44.000 I think you got a legit one from New Jersey.

02:26:46.000 He's Dr. William H. Cosby, right?

02:26:48.000 That out to me.

02:26:49.000 Yeah, but I mean, you can get an honorary doctorate just for your humanitarian work or because people think you're slick.

02:26:54.000 Well, Heathcliff Huxtable was an OBGYN, so...

02:26:57.000 There you go.

02:26:58.000 Must have went to school.

02:26:59.000 There, must have.

02:27:00.000 Yeah.

02:27:01.000 I think that... 1.00

02:27:02.000 You see, you grab her by the pussy, but you give her a drink first, Trump. 1.00

02:27:06.000 Ooh. 1.00

02:27:06.000 You see? 1.00

02:27:07.000 See, now, if you went to run for president, they'd go back to that. 0.99

02:27:11.000 They'd take that out of context and go, what the fuck, Dave Rubin? 1.00

02:27:14.000 That Cosby worshipping, pussy grabbing, you see? 1.00

02:27:17.000 But isn't it? 1.00

02:27:18.000 Here it goes.

02:27:20.000 It's sometimes referred to as Dr. Cosby.

02:27:22.000 He has his doctorate in education from the University of Massachusetts in Amherst.

02:27:26.000 He earned the degree in the mid-1970s, a thesis entitled Integration of Visual Media via Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids.

02:27:32.000 That's what I did my doctorate on.

02:27:33.000 How weird.

02:27:34.000 Okay.

02:27:36.000 It's a teaching aid and vehicle to achieve increased learning.

02:27:39.000 That's interesting.

02:27:40.000 So that goes to your point.

02:27:42.000 A, was the public person really just defending the horrible actions of the private person, but also he clearly was trying to do good work.

02:27:51.000 Yeah, but here it says, but how he got his degree has been controversial ever since.

02:27:56.000 According to Michael Eric Dyson, a sociology professor at Georgetown University and acclaimed author of his Bill Cosby Wright and numerous other books, Cosby dropped out of high school after he flunked his 10th grade three times.

02:28:07.000 He enlisted in the Navy where he got his GED, then he enrolled in Temple, where he dropped out to pursue a show business career.

02:28:13.000 His unfinished bachelor degree from Temple was eventually bestowed upon him because of his life experience.

02:28:17.000 Cosby enrolled in a part-time doctoral student at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, which awarded him.

02:28:23.000 See, so that's it.

02:28:24.000 So he dropped out of high school, came back, got his GED, enrolled in Temple, dropped out of that, and got a doctorate for writing about a cartoon.

02:28:33.000 But even the bachelor's degree, they're saying he got an unfinished bachelor's degree because of life experience.

02:28:37.000 So he didn't get that degree reality.

02:28:39.000 Exactly.

02:28:39.000 Wow, that's wild.

02:28:40.000 So both of them, so it's not entirely true.

02:28:42.000 I mean, he did get a degree, but obviously there's an asterisk attached to that.

02:28:47.000 Yeah, but separating it from that, it's like that thing that you're talking about is pretty powerful stuff. 0.98

02:28:53.000 That he was doing this horrible shit, and yet he enriched so many lives at the same time. 0.93

02:28:59.000 Literally at the same time that he was doing this horrible stuff to these women, he was bringing so much goodness to the country. 1.00

02:29:08.000 That's deep. 0.98

02:29:09.000 It's fucking deep, and that's people. 0.99

02:29:12.000 I think the sooner we recognize how flawed The better we're going to be off. 0.99

02:29:21.000 And I think, also, this is another thing that I've talked about on stage before, but it's a real issue.

02:29:26.000 I don't think human beings are designed to take in the data from media.

02:29:31.000 I don't think we can truly distinguish the difference between false narratives and fiction.

02:29:36.000 I mean, I know we can. 0.99

02:29:38.000 You know when you go to see a fucking movie, you know it's a movie. 1.00

02:29:40.000 You leave. 1.00

02:29:41.000 Well, that was a good movie, man. 1.00

02:29:42.000 Goddamn. 0.99

02:29:43.000 Can't wait for Doctor Strange 2. Yeah. 0.99

02:29:45.000 You know?

02:29:46.000 We know it's a movie, but there's an impact that that data has on our mind that we have to, even though we have to separate it and move it around, that impact is there.

02:29:54.000 We're designed to follow like the tribal leader, this old guy with scars who's fucking survived battles and he has wisdom and he knows the poems and we sit around the fire and we follow him because of actual real live accomplishments and real live things that we've seen.

02:30:10.000 This is how he stays alive. 0.77

02:30:11.000 This is how you stay alive.

02:30:12.000 There's only 30 of us, okay? 0.98

02:30:14.000 We got fucking bear skins on and we're living in a cave and we don't have much time. 0.98

02:30:17.000 We gotta follow that guy. 0.98

02:30:18.000 He knows how to stay alive and we might not make it and this is a very real concern because we know tribes that are gone, right? 0.81

02:30:24.000 So this is like how human beings develop for fucking thousands of thousands of years, if you believe in evolution, when we went from being a monkey to being a guy who's addicted to his cell phone. 0.78

02:30:34.000 There's a lot of steps along the way. 0.93

02:30:36.000 And in those steps, we developed a lot of these human reward systems where you get used to and look forward to certain things, because those things, those rewards will keep you alive.

02:30:49.000 Whether it's being attractive to females, you will spread your DNA that way. 0.73

02:30:53.000 You must be concerned about this.

02:30:55.000 Whether it's overcoming the adversaries, because if you don't, they're going to kill you.

02:31:00.000 You have to stay alive.

02:31:01.000 You gotta be fit.

02:31:02.000 You gotta be fit.

02:31:02.000 You have to figure out how to stay quiet when you're hunting.

02:31:06.000 It's one of the reasons today why women enjoy gossip and men enjoy quiet and why the two are sometimes incompatible.

02:31:11.000 There's a design.

02:31:12.000 Women are designed. 1.00

02:31:13.000 They were trying to keep the fucking tribe together so they sit around washing clothes. 1.00

02:31:16.000 Did you hear this dirty bitch fucks everybody when we go to sleep? 1.00

02:31:19.000 That's where it came from. 1.00

02:31:20.000 And with the men, they're out in these hunting parties. 0.99

02:31:22.000 They're like, everybody shut the fuck up, okay? 0.99

02:31:25.000 Let's pay attention. 0.99

02:31:26.000 We've got to stay close here.

02:31:27.000 This is the whole reason why there's a difference in the way these two behave.

02:31:30.000 This has all been well-established by sociologists and by people who have studied human behavior.

02:31:38.000 I think that where we're at now, with movies and songs, you're getting this data in a way we don't know how to process. 0.93

02:31:45.000 We obviously can rationalize and go, well, I know that's just a song, or I know that's just a movie, and I know that Indiana Jones isn't a real guy, and he wouldn't just survive every time the fucking bowling ball-sized boulder comes his way. 0.98

02:31:57.000 He would get killed. 0.96

02:31:59.000 The nuke that he got in the fridge in part four. 1.00

02:32:03.000 The fucking Ark of the Covenant. 0.99

02:32:04.000 How do you survive the... 1.00

02:32:05.000 Come on, man. 1.00

02:32:06.000 There's a lot of shit going on in that. 1.00

02:32:07.000 I could accept that. 1.00

02:32:08.000 The fucking nuke. 1.00

02:32:08.000 That's supposed to be apocalyptic. 1.00

02:32:10.000 All of it. 0.98

02:32:10.000 It's supposed to be ridiculous. 0.98

02:32:11.000 He closed his eyes. 0.89

02:32:11.000 The darts. 0.89

02:32:12.000 Look the other way.

02:32:13.000 Look the other way from the nuke.

02:32:14.000 That's all you need to do.

02:32:15.000 Can't eat cancer. 1.00

02:32:16.000 He's got a fucking cool hat. 0.99

02:32:18.000 But those narratives and this life version is all data that's entering into the human consciousness. 0.98

02:32:26.000 And the more we expose ourselves to it, when kids are watching eight hours of fucking television, and people are constantly engrossed in their phones and all this two-dimensional data and video and all these different things on YouTube, the more that stuff gets into your mind, into your life, the less you're experiencing the actual life.

02:32:43.000 It's almost like a preparation.

02:32:45.000 For us being a part of this hive mind, these are the steps you take when you create this sort of new type of being.

02:32:52.000 This being that's integrated.

02:32:54.000 You're talking about the matrix, that we're slowly morphing into this thing.

02:32:59.000 And that's why people have to understand that what happens there isn't real yet.

02:33:04.000 So sort of jumping all the way back to that Leslie Jones thing, when people say mean things to you, I'm sure if you looked at your Twitter right now, somebody's probably saying something.

02:33:11.000 They will now.

02:33:12.000 Yeah, now they're gonna be really pissed. 1.00

02:33:14.000 You're a bully. 0.98

02:33:14.000 You told them to do it. 0.98

02:33:15.000 You see?

02:33:15.000 Get on Joe Rogan!

02:33:17.000 You've sicked them. 0.94

02:33:18.000 I've sicked them.

02:33:19.000 Don't worry.

02:33:20.000 There's a lot of mine or yours, so they'll turn it on me.

02:33:22.000 Don't worry.

02:33:23.000 I think we're all fine.

02:33:23.000 But point is that those words, it goes to that words-are-not-action thing, like...

02:33:28.000 So what?

02:33:29.000 Someone said something mean to you.

02:33:30.000 You gotta get over it.

02:33:31.000 So, for example, part of my...

02:33:33.000 This is gonna sound sort of corny, but part of my success in the last year is directly related to you, because...

02:33:39.000 Corny! 1.00

02:33:40.000 Because my show was...

02:33:40.000 For real, my show was taken off when I was on here last time, and by you giving it a little bump here, and then you've been real good to me on social media, you've helped amplify what I do.

02:33:51.000 And in the process of that, I now...

02:33:53.000 All my social media, when I scroll...

02:33:55.000 In a weird way, it's become sort of meaningless.

02:33:57.000 It's become all noise, because if 95% of it's good, which it usually is, well, then it's like, oh, there's another nice one.

02:34:04.000 It's nice, and it is nice.

02:34:05.000 You know, I'm not demeaning it.

02:34:07.000 You mean people giving you compliments?

02:34:08.000 Yeah, just saying nice things, or I like what you're doing, or retweeting what I'm doing, or whatever.

02:34:11.000 That's all nice.

02:34:12.000 And then the bad ones come in, and then, you know, for whatever reason, I focus on the bad ones more.

02:34:16.000 But then, it all becomes noise, and I'm just like, you know what?

02:34:19.000 I just have to do what I do.

02:34:21.000 And then let the rest of it be.

02:34:23.000 You know what I mean?

02:34:24.000 Well, you certainly probably, at this point, can't respond to everybody anymore.

02:34:27.000 Oh, no.

02:34:27.000 There's no way.

02:34:28.000 No, but that's what I'm saying.

02:34:29.000 It's not fun anymore.

02:34:30.000 Part of the price to pay for a little success here is that the part that used to be fun when I would play around with people more on there and spend more time interacting, it's become such a calvacate of craziness that I just don't have the time.

02:34:45.000 I just don't have the mental bandwidth more than anything else.

02:34:47.000 I have a lot going on, and it's like...

02:34:49.000 So that's been a little bit of a sacrifice along the way.

02:34:52.000 Yeah, but that just comes with the program.

02:34:55.000 Especially when you're thinking about the numbers of people that you're reaching.

02:34:58.000 Nobody ever had to do that.

02:34:59.000 Imagine if Johnny Carson had a Twitter account and he was trying to interact with all the fans or he got email, Carson at tonightshow.com.

02:35:06.000 I did not know that. 0.99

02:35:07.000 Just look at all this fucking email. 1.00

02:35:09.000 How am I going to respond to these people? 1.00

02:35:10.000 If you don't, they get mad at you.

02:35:11.000 There are mentions on this thing.

02:35:12.000 But I think one good thing that's going on is people don't expect you to do that when you reach a certain number of fans.

02:35:17.000 I get way more messages from people that say, hey, I love the podcast or great job on the UFC or something like that.

02:35:25.000 Those kind of messages I get way more often than someone actually trying to get me to respond to things.

02:35:30.000 Yeah.

02:35:31.000 Which I would like to do if I had that kind of time, but no one has that kind of time.

02:35:35.000 Right.

02:35:35.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:35:36.000 There's just a certain amount, and that goes to combining public person and private person.

02:35:40.000 There's a certain amount of bandwidth that your brain has that all of us have to do whatever it is we do.

02:35:46.000 The two of us could sit here for 24 hours in a row and just respond to things and blah, blah, blah.

02:35:51.000 And it's like, your brain also has to be able to breathe.

02:35:54.000 Your spirit has to be able to breathe.

02:35:56.000 You have to live life.

02:35:57.000 And I think if you have anything to offer, and this is one of the things that I'm finding, it's kind of important to me, and I've tried to...

02:36:04.000 I've tried to engineer this in my own life in a way is that I've got to have as much life experiences or more than I do work Because like just working like if I just did podcasts every day I would have things to say because there's always something going on in the world But I think I wouldn't be doing my own perspective a service I think to do my perspective a service to be honest about it.

02:36:28.000 I need to experience things I need to live life.

02:36:30.000 I need to You know travel to places.

02:36:33.000 Yeah I need to do things that are difficult.

02:36:35.000 I need to get involved in a lot of activities.

02:36:38.000 I like to do different things.

02:36:41.000 First of all, because I enjoy them, first and foremost.

02:36:43.000 And I think embracing that I enjoy them benefits me in a great way, too.

02:36:47.000 Because when I do things that I enjoy, I get happy.

02:36:49.000 When I get happy, I work better.

02:36:51.000 And I think if I didn't do that, and if I didn't actively seek out, it's really easy for a lot of people to find this.

02:37:00.000 They get caught up in work so much that that's all they focus on.

02:37:04.000 And then I think you'd stop being the person who got to that position in the first place.

02:37:10.000 The person who got to that position in the first place got there because people liked what you talked about or what you thought about.

02:37:16.000 And the only way that even gets more enhanced is by experiencing things.

02:37:20.000 Yeah, and by the way, you don't have to go across the world to do that.

02:37:24.000 Even, I was telling you before we started that, so I just bought a house.

02:37:26.000 We're doing the home studio thing.

02:37:28.000 My fans are funding it.

02:37:29.000 It's like my dreams literally are becoming reality.

02:37:31.000 It's as validating as anything that has happened in my entire life.

02:37:35.000 Congratulations.

02:37:36.000 That's awesome.

02:37:36.000 That's beautiful to hear.

02:37:37.000 Yeah, it's very cool.

02:37:38.000 You deserve it, too, man.

02:37:39.000 It's awesome. 0.98

02:37:40.000 And yesterday, I'm trying to hook up some speakers in the house, and I have some old-ass stereo that I've had forever, and I'm trying to hook this shit up. 0.98

02:37:48.000 And... 0.93

02:37:49.000 It was driving me crazy, but halfway through, after like three hours of fucking pulling things out of the wall and, you know, the old wires, the little metal ones that you gotta turn and jamming them into speakers and negative A's. 0.89

02:38:00.000 I used to love those. 0.93

02:38:00.000 You gotta twist that thing down, the red thing and the black thing. 0.93

02:38:03.000 So you got the red thing and the black thing and I'm jamming.

02:38:05.000 I mean, that's literally what I'm doing yesterday.

02:38:06.000 Yeah. 0.98

02:38:06.000 And I'm frustrated as fuck. 0.98

02:38:08.000 And then about halfway through, I was like, this is actually great. 0.99

02:38:11.000 My attention was so focused, turning those things, getting that thing in there, pulling one out.

02:38:17.000 Wait a minute, I had to run across the other, make the speaker work.

02:38:19.000 And this one, I have to run outside.

02:38:21.000 And it's like, that was actually great. 0.99

02:38:23.000 It was a moment completely where I set all my shit aside. 0.98

02:38:26.000 And I realized, I was like, wow, for the last hour... 1.00

02:38:29.000 I was fucking in this shitty-ass Yamaha stereo thing, you know? 0.99

02:38:34.000 And it was actually pretty great. 0.99

02:38:36.000 There's a zen in that, right?

02:38:37.000 Yeah.

02:38:37.000 There really is.

02:38:38.000 So you don't have to go across the world to do it.

02:38:40.000 Just doing something that there was meaning in me doing it.

02:38:44.000 I didn't want to hire someone to do it.

02:38:46.000 You know, like, I want to figure this thing out.

02:38:48.000 And I did. 0.95

02:38:48.000 I think there's definitely something to that, but I went to the Vatican this summer, and I think it was more fun than you installing your stereo, and I think I learned more about people and looking at, you know, St. Peter's Basilica than I ever would have done, screwing together some fucking wires and sticking them into some box that makes noise. 0.95

02:39:03.000 I bet I can beat you on that, because many years ago, I believe around 97, I think it might have been the same trip that I ended up in Egypt, I went to Amsterdam, I, like, basically shroomed for, like, eight days, and then we wanted, so my buddy and I, we wanted to take...

02:39:17.000 That made my feet numb.

02:39:19.000 We wanted to take shrooms to Rome to trip at the Sistine Chapel.

02:39:24.000 So listen to this.

02:39:25.000 We get on the train, you know, it's like an overnight train, I don't know, probably 12 hours to go from Amsterdam to Rome.

02:39:32.000 We got boarded.

02:39:33.000 The train got boarded by like, I don't know, like border police or something.

02:39:37.000 Yeah, something.

02:39:38.000 So we were like, what are we going to do?

02:39:39.000 What do we do?

02:39:39.000 So we ate the evidence.

02:39:40.000 So we literally ate the shrooms on the train.

02:39:43.000 I don't remember.

02:39:44.000 Like enough for one person each.

02:39:45.000 Like not like a crazy amount.

02:39:47.000 But we're on an overnight train in like one of those little couchettes where you're sleeping with two people above you.

02:39:51.000 So we're both on the bottom in a tiny little room with four Italians. 1.00

02:39:56.000 Tripping balls for hours and hours and hours.

02:39:58.000 We get to Rome and we went right to the Sistine Chapel, which you have to walk through like a lot of other chapels kind of to get to.

02:40:07.000 So I wasn't fully tripping, but I had just enough.

02:40:10.000 Just enough in the Sistine Chapel.

02:40:12.000 Beat that! 0.98

02:40:13.000 No, you can't.

02:40:14.000 Pretty good.

02:40:15.000 So I tripped through four countries, because I tripped through the Netherlands, I tripped through Belgium, something in Italy.

02:40:23.000 There's another one in there.

02:40:24.000 What else would be in there?

02:40:25.000 I don't know.

02:40:26.000 I mean, it all sounds...

02:40:27.000 Florence?

02:40:28.000 Did you go to Florence?

02:40:28.000 I went to Florence, but that's in Italy.

02:40:30.000 Yeah, you said something else in Italy?

02:40:32.000 Is that what you just said?

02:40:32.000 It was Belgium.

02:40:34.000 Netherlands is where I started.

02:40:35.000 Or something other than Italy?

02:40:36.000 Is that what you meant?

02:40:38.000 I don't know what I said.

02:40:39.000 I don't know what you said either.

02:40:40.000 It was a good time, that's the point.

02:40:42.000 Like, were you visualizing?

02:40:44.000 I had just, you know, when you have just enough of the visuals, like just a little moving, you know, just a little something.

02:40:50.000 I was stone cold sober inside St. Peter's Basilica and I freaked out.

02:40:55.000 I was just thinking about the sheer effort involved in making something so insanely huge and how many hundreds of years it took to build it.

02:41:03.000 We had a great guide.

02:41:05.000 He was really smart.

02:41:07.000 He was a professor, and he spoke fluent English and fluent Italian, and he was a local professor who did this on the side.

02:41:13.000 And when someone was really enthusiastic about the history of it, he lit up like a Christmas tree.

02:41:20.000 So me and this guy had some awesome conversations.

02:41:24.000 He stuck with us for like an hour, like five or six hours.

02:41:27.000 And then we went to dinner with him afterwards.

02:41:29.000 And, you know, he was just so...

02:41:32.000 He so loved the artwork and the culture and the history of it.

02:41:36.000 It was like, it was so infectious when he was talking about it.

02:41:39.000 Well, that's the thing.

02:41:39.000 You don't have to be religious, per se.

02:41:41.000 I'm not a believer.

02:41:42.000 It doesn't matter.

02:41:43.000 Right.

02:41:43.000 I believe in things that can be proven.

02:41:45.000 If someone could prove something to me, then I would believe it.

02:41:47.000 If you told me that LeBron James dunked from half court, well, I'd need to see video.

02:41:52.000 You know, like I wouldn't just...

02:41:53.000 You did? 0.99

02:41:53.000 Well, hot damn, you know? 0.99

02:41:54.000 So why wouldn't I apply that same logic to the biggest questions of the universe? 0.96

02:41:58.000 But even not being a believer, you can acknowledge that the work that these people had to do, that maybe they felt some divine spirit, they felt something in themselves that I can't explain or whatever, That there's an incredible power to that.

02:42:11.000 I mean, go to Jerusalem.

02:42:12.000 You can look at the Western Wall is literally, you know, the holiest site in Judaism is adjacent with the Temple Mount.

02:42:18.000 The Dome of the Rock is right on top of that, the third holiest site in Islam.

02:42:21.000 And if you walk five minutes the other way, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre where Jesus was crucified is right there.

02:42:27.000 I mean, so whether you believe in this stuff or not, it...

02:42:30.000 The facts on the ground exist, and you have to acknowledge that some people find meaning and value in that.

02:42:37.000 We could argue whether that has been a destructive force throughout time or...

02:42:41.000 Well, I think in a lot of ways religion is like Bill Cosby.

02:42:44.000 It's both.

02:42:46.000 You know it's it's helped people and it's hurt a lot I mean religion has been responsible for some horrible atrocities and not just one religion like many many religions but like many many groups of power many groups that have influence and great influence over people a lot of times they look out for themselves they protect themselves ruthlessly especially when they have massive amounts of power that doesn't make any sense in the world like when you look at Any sort of a coup or any sort of a usurping of power,

02:43:16.000 like it's someone who has massive amounts of power and someone else wants that massive amounts of power and they conquer them and take over them.

02:43:22.000 And it's always like this spectacular chaotic event.

02:43:27.000 And that's what human beings sort of...

02:43:30.000 That's what they do.

02:43:32.000 They establish positions of power, and then they abuse them.

02:43:35.000 And they're almost begging for some better, smarter person to come along and take it from them.

02:43:39.000 Yeah.

02:43:39.000 I think about that sometimes, even when I'd be walking where I used to live in West Hollywood, where it's next to Beverly Hills.

02:43:47.000 It's a nice area.

02:43:48.000 And that all these people are sort of walking...

02:43:50.000 There's nice shops there, and everyone kind of looks good.

02:43:53.000 So it's sort of where they go to the gym, they tan, they get...

02:43:57.000 They're like they're all working on themselves all day doing their own thing and it's and you're right it's almost like they're just they're so blind to the fact that there is something else happening there is a real power play happening in the world where there are forces that want to change things either for what may be better for you or worse for you or whatever and most people just ignore it because it's a lot easier to get lost in Twitter or watch the Kardashians or country club kids of the world that's That's what we are.

02:44:24.000 We're like the spoiled country club kids of the world that don't realize the consequences of flying drones into Yemen and bombing wedding parties.

02:44:32.000 You know, there's like the consequence that's attached to those people.

02:44:36.000 It would be so significant if it was happening on this patch of dirt.

02:44:40.000 But since it's happening over there, we don't think of it as a big a deal.

02:44:43.000 Could you imagine what would happen if someone from another country had flown a drone over the United States and accidentally bombed some sort of a wedding party in Phoenix?

02:44:51.000 Right. 0.99

02:44:51.000 Could you fucking imagine? 0.99

02:44:53.000 Imagine if one rocket flew over Mexico's border to El Paso or La Jolla. 1.00

02:45:00.000 We'd bomb Canada.

02:45:02.000 I mean, you know what I mean? 0.95

02:45:04.000 Think about that.

02:45:06.000 It's so crazy when you think, and I get it.

02:45:09.000 As I said before, I'm not against every...

02:45:11.000 State secret. 0.90

02:45:12.000 I understand that some shit has- there are rules that are beyond what the average person- But why are they? 0.98

02:45:18.000 They're only that way because there's no transparency in these other countries, too. 0.98

02:45:22.000 Yeah. 0.95

02:45:22.000 And once all these countries develop this new level of transparency where you can't hide shit, you can't lie, you're gonna do one of two things. 0.95

02:45:29.000 Either you're gonna say, look, I'm Genghis Khan, I'm running this motherfucker, and you're gonna put in the whole thing. 0.98

02:45:33.000 I mean, what Putin is doing right now is old-school dictator stuff. 0.99

02:45:38.000 Kills his rivals publicly. 0.99

02:45:40.000 He assassinates his rivals. 1.00

02:45:42.000 Did you see the fucking assassination attempt on him? 1.00

02:45:44.000 No. 1.00

02:45:44.000 You haven't seen that? 1.00

02:45:45.000 I don't think so.

02:45:46.000 On Putin?

02:45:46.000 Yeah.

02:45:47.000 No.

02:45:47.000 How did I miss that?

02:45:49.000 Someone made a suicide attack on his car, but his driver was in the car and not him.

02:45:54.000 This guy drove high-speed, head-on, right into Putin's car.

02:45:58.000 When was this?

02:45:59.000 How the hell did I miss this?

02:45:59.000 Two weeks ago?

02:46:00.000 No shit. 0.99

02:46:01.000 Yeah, two weeks ago. 0.99

02:46:02.000 Check this out.

02:46:02.000 A move takes a lot out of you.

02:46:03.000 Watch this.

02:46:04.000 Watch this.

02:46:05.000 Watch this car.

02:46:06.000 See the guy in the middle?

02:46:07.000 He's doing that so he could hit Putin's car.

02:46:09.000 Bam.

02:46:09.000 That's it.

02:46:10.000 He knew where the car was, and he drove in the median and then turned towards Putin's car to try to kill him. 0.98

02:46:16.000 Wait, can you throw that up one more time? 0.93

02:46:18.000 See, watch the median.

02:46:20.000 Watch the middle strip.

02:46:21.000 That guy is there planning this.

02:46:23.000 Then he sees the car and turns right into him. 1.00

02:46:25.000 Holy shit. 1.00

02:46:26.000 Holy shit is right. 1.00

02:46:27.000 It killed the driver. 1.00

02:46:29.000 I think it killed both guys.

02:46:31.000 See if it killed both guys.

02:46:33.000 But Putin was not in that car.

02:46:35.000 But that's his favorite driver. 0.99

02:46:38.000 Fucking bananas, dude. 0.99

02:46:40.000 So, I mean, that's Game of Thrones. 1.00

02:46:42.000 Right, that's to the point.

02:46:43.000 This is modern Game of Thrones. 1.00

02:46:44.000 This is shit happening, yeah. 0.99

02:46:45.000 But all these other people, these are the people that are protected by the Dark Lords that run the kingdom. 1.00

02:46:51.000 And this is just the modern version of shit that's been going on since the beginning of time. 0.96

02:46:56.000 So then that said, does that give you any empathy for what Clinton has to do to get there? 0.98

02:47:01.000 Well, that's what I'm saying.

02:47:02.000 Not necessarily empathy, but a vague understanding of how ignorant I am about how the world works.

02:47:08.000 Yeah.

02:47:10.000 It's a weird place to sit, I suppose.

02:47:12.000 And, you know, here's the defense of Clinton, the major Clinton, Bill, because, you know, not a defense of whatever he may or may not have done physically to all those people that are accusing him of things, but about the speeches that he does and all the money that he's trying to acquire.

02:47:28.000 People forget how ruthlessly prosecuted he was by Kenneth Starr while he was in office and how crazy all that situation was.

02:47:37.000 Who was leading it?

02:47:38.000 Newt Gingrich, who, as we said before, was having an affair off his wife that was dying.

02:47:42.000 Yeah, and then there was that other guy, the strategist.

02:47:45.000 Who's the Republican strategist that was involved?

02:47:47.000 Ken Melman?

02:47:48.000 No, that was a George W. Bush guy.

02:47:50.000 Rove?

02:47:50.000 No.

02:47:51.000 Yeah, Karl Rove.

02:47:51.000 Yeah.

02:47:52.000 Karl Rove is a part of it, too, right?

02:47:53.000 Wasn't he involved?

02:47:54.000 Was he part of the Clinton thing?

02:47:55.000 Maybe he's not.

02:47:56.000 Maybe I'm confusing, because Karl Rove is definitely a part of the Jeff Gannon story.

02:48:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:48:01.000 I don't, you know, I don't know what that could have possibly been like for them, but I know that when Bill Clinton got out of office, apparently he was deeply in debt because of his legal fees.

02:48:12.000 And the whole thing was just like off the chart.

02:48:14.000 That was one of the things that Hillary talked about. 1.00

02:48:16.000 Like she had said that when they left, when he left the office, they were dead broke.

02:48:19.000 Yeah.

02:48:19.000 Well, he obviously found ways to capitalize on it and did it.

02:48:22.000 But could you imagine being a guy who's a former president and is, how old was he at the time?

02:48:27.000 Like maybe in his late 50s?

02:48:29.000 Yeah, probably. 0.99

02:48:29.000 And fucking, not just dead broke, but beaten down by public scandal, and you're in debt to the tune of who knows how many dollars, and you've lost all your money to legal cases because you're fighting off impeachment by all these crazy people that want to prosecute you for doing shit that pretty much every president has done since the beginning of time, 0.99

02:48:50.000 whipped his dick out, and people just start sucking it because they're the fucking king. 1.00

02:48:52.000 Because it's crazy to be in that position in the first place. 1.00

02:48:54.000 And who cares?

02:48:56.000 Well, people do care because he lied. 0.99

02:48:58.000 If you rape people or whatever, then that's one thing. 0.91

02:49:00.000 But I'm just talking about just the general. 1.00

02:49:01.000 If the president's having affairs, who gives a fuck? 0.99

02:49:04.000 Is the country working? 0.99

02:49:05.000 Is it this thing basically not going towards the iceberg?

02:49:08.000 Then okay.

02:49:09.000 But here's where it's curious.

02:49:10.000 He didn't get prosecuted because he lied.

02:49:13.000 Because obviously Obama now, we now found out that he lied about the emails from the WikiLeaks.

02:49:19.000 He lied to the American people.

02:49:21.000 It is a small lie.

02:49:22.000 It is a white lie, I guess you could say.

02:49:24.000 I mean, it might not be the worst lie.

02:49:26.000 Well, Obama's wasn't under oath.

02:49:28.000 Clinton's was.

02:49:28.000 Exactly.

02:49:29.000 That was going to get to.

02:49:29.000 But the difference being that he didn't raise his hand and put his hand on the Bible and say, do you solemnly swear to tell the truth?

02:49:39.000 I have to know you're really honest, like now.

02:49:44.000 This is the time where you can't lie anymore.

02:49:47.000 So we have this crazy rule that if you do lie during that time, it's so different than when you lie about what FBI Administrator Comey, or whatever the fuck his title is, Comey says about what you did versus what you think you did. 0.76

02:50:01.000 Right. 0.83

02:50:01.000 Or whether it's who knows what other things. 0.83

02:50:04.000 Right. 1.00

02:50:04.000 Whether it's how many fucking cell phones she had or Benghazi or whatever. 1.00

02:50:09.000 By the way, you have your team destroy all your old devices with hammers and bats after, right? 0.99

02:50:14.000 We actually did take some old hard drives out to the gun range.

02:50:18.000 Yeah?

02:50:18.000 Yeah, and I put some 300 Win Mag rounds into them.

02:50:22.000 That'll show them who's boss.

02:50:24.000 We did it because we were going to get rid of them anyway.

02:50:26.000 They were old. 1.00

02:50:27.000 It was old bullshit. 0.99

02:50:28.000 And I said, be fun to take these to the range. 1.00

02:50:30.000 Just blow them apart.

02:50:31.000 Nice.

02:50:31.000 So we took them out there and I was sighting in my rifle.

02:50:34.000 Yeah.

02:50:35.000 Boom! 0.99

02:50:36.000 We should see what it does to one.

02:50:37.000 I'd like to try that.

02:50:38.000 You would like to try that?

02:50:39.000 Yeah.

02:50:40.000 I would do that with you sometime.

02:50:41.000 Alright, let's do that. 0.94

02:50:42.000 I'll shoot some computers.

02:50:43.000 Yeah, some old laptops.

02:50:44.000 You know what I did today?

02:50:45.000 I got off the Apple tit.

02:50:47.000 I got my Apple laptop here, but I bought a Windows laptop just to see what's going on.

02:50:51.000 They still make those?

02:50:52.000 Yes, they do.

02:50:52.000 They make a Lenovo ThinkPad.

02:50:55.000 That's what I got.

02:50:56.000 I always liked ThinkPads.

02:50:57.000 I had one a long time ago, and I was like, let's see what the newest ThinkPads look like.

02:51:01.000 They still have that little red thing?

02:51:02.000 Yeah, that little nipple that you play with? 0.97

02:51:03.000 The nipple? 0.98

02:51:03.000 It's still there? 0.98

02:51:04.000 They still go with the nipple?

02:51:05.000 Yes, they have the nipple still.

02:51:06.000 Really?

02:51:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:51:07.000 I got a P50, Lenovo ThinkPad P50. So anyway, I get this ThinkPad, and it has Windows 7. Well, the newest Windows is Windows 10. So I try upgrading to Windows 10. Oh, jeez.

02:51:18.000 Three and a half hours later, after two fucking live chats with people, they can't figure out how to get it to work. 0.95

02:51:26.000 Two different people I'm talking to with tech support. 0.98

02:51:30.000 They can't figure out how to get it to work.

02:51:31.000 It's still got Windows 7 on it.

02:51:33.000 I spent three and a half hours this morning.

02:51:35.000 Not as therapeutic as my little Yamaha session.

02:51:37.000 It was fascinating.

02:51:37.000 I didn't lose my temper.

02:51:39.000 I have a laptop. 1.00

02:51:41.000 This one's got a lot of space taken up by porn and stupid shit and fucking pool videos and a bunch of dumb stuff from my phone. 1.00

02:51:52.000 And I was saying, well, I should probably get a new laptop. 1.00

02:51:55.000 Why don't I see what Windows 10 is like?

02:51:57.000 So I figure if you buy a new laptop, well, for sure it's going to have Windows 10 on it. 0.97

02:52:01.000 No, it had fucking Windows 7. Windows 7. Where's 8 and 9? 0.98

02:52:07.000 I didn't know that they did anything after 95. I thought it was Windows 95 and then that was it.

02:52:11.000 Well, I heard Windows 10 is good.

02:52:12.000 I've heard it reviewed by tech people, so I'm hoping to see what the fuss is all about.

02:52:17.000 But I've been...

02:52:18.000 At least I think it might be like going...

02:52:23.000 Going to a really shitty job for a while and then coming back to your regular job and going, God, this is so much better.

02:52:30.000 Isn't it funny how sometimes, like, for as connected as you may be, sometimes some technology just kind of gets past you and then you realize you just, like, missed something.

02:52:38.000 So for the last, like, five years, I've been using Firefox.

02:52:45.000 I'm using Firefox.

02:52:47.000 Nothing would work.

02:52:48.000 Videos would freeze.

02:52:50.000 Audio would freeze.

02:52:51.000 I couldn't open three windows at once. 1.00

02:52:52.000 A whole bunch of shit. 0.99

02:52:54.000 And then my director, Amira, saw me clicking Firefox. 1.00

02:52:58.000 And she was, you know, she's 23 or 24 and she was laughing hysterically like, you fucking idiot. 1.00

02:53:03.000 What are you doing? 1.00

02:53:04.000 Why are you doing that?

02:53:05.000 And then she said, you got to get on Chrome.

02:53:08.000 And I was like, no, that can't be any different than Firefox.

02:53:11.000 I thought everybody was on Firefox.

02:53:12.000 Like, for as much as I'm in this thing, I don't know, I got on Firefox and I just was there. 0.99

02:53:17.000 Chrome is the shit. 0.99

02:53:17.000 So now I'm on Chrome and guess what? 0.99

02:53:19.000 You press play, you know what happens? 1.00

02:53:20.000 Shit plays. 1.00

02:53:21.000 Shit plays! 1.00

02:53:22.000 Yeah, well, I'm a big believer in the Google. 0.99

02:53:24.000 And one of the things that I've been thinking about is getting off the Apple tit and using an Android phone and a Windows laptop.

02:53:31.000 So I'm going to try that over the next few months.

02:53:33.000 This is the beginning of the end.

02:53:35.000 No, I don't think so.

02:53:36.000 I don't think being frustrated would be such a bad thing.

02:53:39.000 I mean, I think at the very least I could call people and go, dude, I don't think I could send you a text anymore.

02:53:43.000 Something's going on.

02:53:44.000 You send me pictures.

02:53:45.000 I can't find them.

02:53:46.000 That's a great way to get off the grid.

02:53:47.000 Sorry.

02:53:48.000 I heard when people send you pictures on those Google phones, like they go into a folder.

02:53:52.000 Yeah.

02:53:52.000 Like if someone sends you a picture and it's attached to your text message, the picture like automatically goes into a folder and may not even exist on the text stream.

02:54:01.000 Like I don't get it.

02:54:02.000 I don't know if that's the case or not.

02:54:03.000 I don't even live like this.

02:54:04.000 I'm going to find out.

02:54:05.000 I want to see what's going on.

02:54:07.000 I'm going to try that.

02:54:08.000 Google has a new phone called the Google Pixel.

02:54:10.000 Heard about it. 0.97

02:54:11.000 And it's very highly received by tech dorks, the people that really know what the fuck they're talking about, unlike me. 0.96

02:54:17.000 And they really like the camera. 0.99

02:54:20.000 They really like the speed, the pure Google experience because nobody fucks with it.

02:54:24.000 It comes straight from them.

02:54:25.000 They don't have a third-party software built into it.

02:54:27.000 So I'm going to see.

02:54:28.000 We'll see what's going on.

02:54:29.000 Because I think you just stay on the apple tit all the time.

02:54:32.000 Yeah.

02:54:32.000 Like when people send me a text message that's all green, I get a little envy.

02:54:36.000 I'm like, this person's out there just rebelling.

02:54:38.000 They're out there being wild and sending text messages, not an iMessage.

02:54:41.000 Just this morning when I was dealing with the Yamaha. 0.99

02:54:45.000 I'll show you I'm not making this shit up. 0.98

02:54:47.000 See, I'm just a real big fan of Google in general. 0.99

02:54:49.000 See?

02:54:50.000 Took a picture of a wire and it came back green.

02:54:52.000 I thought, what's this guy know that I don't know?

02:54:54.000 This guy's got green.

02:54:55.000 He knows.

02:54:56.000 He knows things.

02:54:57.000 Or he doesn't.

02:54:57.000 Or he's poor.

02:54:58.000 Poor guy.

02:54:59.000 He's actually unemployed.

02:55:00.000 It was very sad. 0.99

02:55:01.000 It could be that he's just a crazy person.

02:55:03.000 He doesn't trust Apple. 0.99

02:55:04.000 But there is something fucking weird about those blue things. 0.94

02:55:07.000 And then if someone's got another kind of phone and it's green, it's like, oh, they're an outsider. 0.92

02:55:12.000 Yeah.

02:55:12.000 It's green.

02:55:13.000 They don't even send you a blue one. 0.99

02:55:15.000 Why do you have different fucking colors for different people that have different phones? 0.98

02:55:19.000 I don't like where that's going. 0.99

02:55:20.000 I don't like that feel.

02:55:22.000 Well, the other thing is, you know, it's that 1984 commercial that Apple did in 1984 where they were fighting Windows at the time.

02:55:27.000 They were fighting Microsoft.

02:55:28.000 But the idea that the bigger Apple gets and the more we just instinctively go to it.

02:55:33.000 And by the way, I say this with all due irony because I got the iPhone 7 the day it came out.

02:55:37.000 Yeah, I got one right here, dude.

02:55:37.000 It's awesome.

02:55:38.000 I'm a fan.

02:55:39.000 Yeah.

02:55:39.000 But, you know, the more that we all do that, you actually incentivize them to not innovate.

02:55:45.000 Because they know that if, because this phone really, the reality is this phone that we both have right now, it barely is different than the 6, right?

02:55:52.000 How dare you?

02:55:54.000 Who are you?

02:55:55.000 I'm getting edgy now, we've been talking for a while.

02:55:57.000 It's a little better.

02:55:57.000 A little better, but a little better.

02:55:59.000 And maybe a little worse.

02:56:00.000 I like the physical button and I do miss the headphone jack.

02:56:05.000 Guess what?

02:56:05.000 Sometimes I want to have a headphone plugged in while I'm in my car so I can talk to someone with a thing dangling from my ear because it's way easier to hear them than it is through speakerphone.

02:56:15.000 Or what if you want to charge your phone and use headphones.

02:56:17.000 And listen to it at the same time.

02:56:18.000 Yeah, I don't agree with what they're doing.

02:56:19.000 And I don't agree with what they're doing with laptops either.

02:56:21.000 Where they're getting rid of USB and now they have some new type of USB. Like, come on, man.

02:56:26.000 This isn't any better. 0.98

02:56:28.000 But the thing is, that goes to my point, if they know that you're going to buy this shit no matter what, and they knew the day they put this out, they're going to make X amount of hundreds of millions of dollars, if not more. 0.97

02:56:36.000 So the more that we instinctively just go to them, the actual less they have, there's less incentive for them to give us good, innovative shit. 0.96

02:56:45.000 Because why keep changing it if you just tweak a couple things and they don't put that much into it, and we all do it anyway.

02:56:51.000 I also think that it's probably important to support competition.

02:56:55.000 Yeah.

02:56:55.000 And I think once they reach a point where the tech people are saying, this is the best phone.

02:57:02.000 Like a lot of the people that have reviewed the Google Pixel, they're saying, I have ditched my iPhone for this.

02:57:08.000 This is the best phone in the market.

02:57:10.000 Finally, for the first time, an Android phone.

02:57:12.000 I don't know if they're rooting for Android, and so they may have a biased opinion.

02:57:17.000 I might try it. 1.00

02:57:17.000 These guys are out of their fucking mind. 1.00

02:57:19.000 Right. 1.00

02:57:19.000 But we're going to find out. 1.00

02:57:20.000 I'm going to find out about Windows 10, and I'm going to find out about Android.

02:57:23.000 I'm going to give them both a shot.

02:57:24.000 I've decided that recently.

02:57:26.000 I was like, this is just too instinctive a move for me to just go to Apple.

02:57:30.000 I remember when I was on news radio.

02:57:32.000 It's when Apple wasn't really even that good.

02:57:33.000 It was before OS X, which was the big operating system change where it went to a Unix-based system.

02:57:41.000 It was like, it would freeze up before.

02:57:45.000 No memory protection.

02:57:46.000 You couldn't really multitask correctly.

02:57:49.000 It didn't have what they call preemptive multitasking.

02:57:51.000 So, like, the tech people didn't appreciate the Mac platform until OSX. And then OSX had this really, like, responsive user interface.

02:57:59.000 It was very cool.

02:58:00.000 Little animation things would happen when you click on things.

02:58:03.000 And I saw that and went, whoa!

02:58:05.000 Okay, I'm gonna try it.

02:58:06.000 I'm gonna try it.

02:58:06.000 So that's when I jump back over from Windows to Mac again.

02:58:11.000 And there's so many people that get in these clans.

02:58:14.000 It's like we were talking about with Republicans versus Democrats.

02:58:16.000 There's a lot of clans.

02:58:18.000 Like, when I was on the set of news radio, one of the guys, this is back when Mac sucked, one of the guys was like, you know, do you hear our sales are up?

02:58:26.000 Our sales are up?

02:58:27.000 And he's talking about, like, Macs.

02:58:28.000 I go, our sales? 0.99

02:58:30.000 He's like, sales of Mac, because he'd wear Apple t-shirts and shit. 1.00

02:58:34.000 He was such a dork for it. 0.98

02:58:35.000 I didn't know Bill Gates was there, Steve Jobs was the key grip on news radio. 0.98

02:58:40.000 He's a creative guy, behind the scenes guy, but he was so excited about Apple sales being up.

02:58:46.000 I'm like, dude, this is weird.

02:58:47.000 You're getting weird with me.

02:58:49.000 We've got new MacBooks are coming out.

02:58:51.000 Okay.

02:58:52.000 Don't you have a computer? 0.98

02:58:53.000 Like, what the fuck are we doing, man? 0.99

02:58:54.000 What are we doing? 1.00

02:58:55.000 We've become slaves to these machines.

02:58:58.000 Slaves.

02:58:58.000 But then it was like Apple was the underdog.

02:59:00.000 Yeah.

02:59:00.000 It's a different experience.

02:59:01.000 Well, that's what I mean.

02:59:02.000 That 1984 commercial, their whole point was you all bow down to Microsoft.

02:59:06.000 And we are the upstarts.

02:59:08.000 We're the people that are going to break the system, break the matrix.

02:59:10.000 Think different.

02:59:11.000 Think different.

02:59:12.000 And now it's like, think the same.

02:59:13.000 And not only is it think the same, and if you don't think the same, there's something wrong with you.

02:59:17.000 You got a green text. 0.94

02:59:17.000 What the hell's wrong with you? 0.94

02:59:18.000 Yeah.

02:59:18.000 But, you know, Apple, for all the cries of everybody with Trump and the taxes, because everything these days is somehow linked back together, you know, Apple pays virtually no corporate taxes.

02:59:26.000 Exactly.

02:59:27.000 And what's his name, the head guy now?

02:59:29.000 Tim Cook.

02:59:29.000 Tim Cook basically was like, yeah, when they rewrite fairer tax laws, we'll bring our money back here.

02:59:34.000 Now, for some reason, nobody's upset by that.

02:59:36.000 We don't see people throwing iPhones out the window.

02:59:38.000 Well, the problem is they have a responsibility as a gigantic corporation to the people that hold their stock.

02:59:44.000 Sure.

02:59:45.000 There's a weird thing that happens with corporations.

02:59:47.000 They're public.

02:59:48.000 People own stock in it.

02:59:50.000 You have a direct obligation to your stockholders to make a profit.

02:59:52.000 So doesn't that prove Trump's point, though?

02:59:54.000 It does.

02:59:55.000 It proves his point because it's like, all right, I'm doing what's legal.

02:59:58.000 At the end of the year, when you go to pay your taxes, I'm pretty sure you tell your accountant the same thing that every sensible person does, which is do whatever is legal and I want to pay the least amount of taxes.

03:00:08.000 That's all everybody does.

03:00:10.000 That's why tax shelters exist. 1.00

03:00:12.000 Yeah. 0.95

03:00:12.000 So again, he hasn't released his taxes, so that's shitty. 0.95

03:00:15.000 And by the way, he's lying when he says the thing about auditing.

03:00:18.000 His whole thing is, well, I'm under audit, so I'm not going to do it.

03:00:20.000 But then the next sentence at the last debate, he was like, you know what?

03:00:24.000 I'm under audit, but I won't do it.

03:00:25.000 But if Hillary releases her emails, I'll release my taxes. 1.00

03:00:28.000 And it's like, oh, well, which is it?

03:00:30.000 Well, I think it was the Goldman Sachs speeches, wasn't it?

03:00:32.000 No, he said emails.

03:00:34.000 He said emails.

03:00:34.000 So he's lying, you know, it's just a way of lying.

03:00:37.000 I'm under audit, which there's no technical reason that you couldn't.

03:00:39.000 But then he says, but if she does hers, you know, that thing, I'll do it. 0.99

03:00:43.000 Well, there's no technical reason, but that's his argument.

03:00:46.000 Like, while they're auditing him, he's not going to do it, because he doesn't have to.

03:00:49.000 Right.

03:00:50.000 You know, which does make sense, like, if they are auditing him, like, why he wouldn't want to, like, open it up to public discourse.

03:00:56.000 Right.

03:00:56.000 Right, so that in itself may be legit, but the idea that, but if she releases your emails, I'll forget that whole thing with the audit and I'll go ahead and do it.

03:01:03.000 Don't you think though that that would, if he did release his taxes while they were auditing him, it could possibly affect, for sure, because it would affect public opinion.

03:01:12.000 We know for a fact that public opinion has had a big impact on things that may, you know, if people didn't get outraged about it, maybe the president or whoever's in charge wouldn't move in a certain direction.

03:01:25.000 Right.

03:01:25.000 But that's the point, is that if you feel that this stuff is broken, that the tax system is broken, and all these guys that can hide money in offshore accounts, if you think all that's broken, don't be upset at the businessman who used it.

03:01:37.000 Now, that doesn't mean what he was doing was ethical or whatever.

03:01:41.000 Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.

03:01:43.000 That's a different conversation.

03:01:44.000 But you have to be upset at the people who put the laws in place that allow this to happen.

03:01:48.000 Any businessman just uses the system as it exists.

03:01:52.000 So when all these people are like, well, Trump makes his ties in Mexico.

03:01:55.000 Yeah, he's a smart businessman in that regard.

03:01:58.000 He uses cheap Mexican labor. 0.97

03:02:00.000 If you're upset that that is the reality, then be upset at the people who set up those trade deals.

03:02:05.000 But isn't the issue really not that he does his stuff in Mexico?

03:02:08.000 The issue is that he does it in Mexico, but he only pays people a tiny amount of money.

03:02:13.000 Sure.

03:02:13.000 If somebody opened up a plant in Mexico and paid people American wages, there would be no incentive whatsoever to go to Mexico.

03:02:19.000 We should have laws as human beings in what we allow, and not just in America.

03:02:25.000 You can't just say you go past this line.

03:02:27.000 There's a rock over there.

03:02:28.000 Once you pass that rock, you can pay them seven cents an hour. 1.00

03:02:31.000 But over here, we got 11 bucks, you fuck. 1.00

03:02:33.000 Right. 1.00

03:02:34.000 You're on Team America, World Police.

03:02:36.000 Yeah.

03:02:37.000 So I'm not defending the ethics of his business practices.

03:02:40.000 I'm just saying, as you said, they're beholden to their stock shares and their holders and all that stuff.

03:02:46.000 So I'm just saying, if he didn't do anything illegal, then he just played the system.

03:02:51.000 So you should be angry at the system.

03:02:52.000 And you can say he's immoral or took advantage in a way that a more or less unscrupulous business person may not have, and maybe that's the type of person you would want to work with and not a Donald Trump.

03:03:02.000 Right.

03:03:02.000 But that's why this is really complex.

03:03:03.000 And instead, people look at the ties in Mexico and they go, see, he's a hypocrite! 0.99

03:03:07.000 And it's like, not quite the truth. 1.00

03:03:10.000 Well, he is a hypocrite. 1.00

03:03:12.000 No, no, he's a hypocrite for many other reasons. 1.00

03:03:14.000 But for that, he's a hypocrite. 1.00

03:03:15.000 I mean, he's talking about if corporations go over to Mexico, we'll fine them to the tune of 35%. 0.99

03:03:20.000 Yeah.

03:03:20.000 Okay, but you're already there.

03:03:22.000 If you're running for president and you're making your ties over there, you should stop.

03:03:26.000 Because you're saying there's something wrong with a company taking their stuff and moving over there and profiting from it and taking jobs out of America.

03:03:33.000 If you do it, I've already done it.

03:03:34.000 I'm doing it right now.

03:03:35.000 But if you do it, I'm going to fine you.

03:03:36.000 So you're making a distinction there that in the course of this, he could have said, I'm not going to do it anymore.

03:03:43.000 To show you that I'm going to be moral, or whatever you want to call it, ethical or whatever, I will stop.

03:03:49.000 But isn't the ethical, moral way to do it to just pay them more?

03:03:52.000 Yeah, of course, but that's...

03:03:53.000 Unfortunately, we live in a reality that, you know...

03:03:56.000 That's what a law someone should pass.

03:03:58.000 That as human beings that live in the United States and the world, the United States of America, one of the most fortunate countries, if not the most fortunate in the world, we will respect our American privilege and, you know, not be willing to subjugate people that live in impoverished countries to,

03:04:14.000 like, taking advantage...

03:04:16.000 Don't take advantage of their unfortunate circumstances.

03:04:19.000 Yeah.

03:04:19.000 Like if you're living in a very poor third-world country and a Nike factory opens up or whatever You can't as a as a person who is aware that they have the best like Location roll the dice that's available today.

03:04:34.000 You're living in America.

03:04:35.000 You're born here The fact that you're going to make someone in some other country work essentially with slave labor. 0.98

03:04:42.000 The phone you buy, this fucking iPhone that I have in my hand, is made in a factory where they have nets around the factory because so many people have tried to kill themselves that they made it where they catch you in a fucking net when you jump off the roof because they were cleaning up bodies off the ground. 0.96

03:04:58.000 And when people defend it, they defend it in the most bizarre way. 0.99

03:05:02.000 The defense is, yeah, but the percentage of people that commit suicide at those factories is very similar to the percentage of people that commit suicide in the culture.

03:05:11.000 Yeah, but they live at the factory!

03:05:12.000 They live at the factory, yeah. 0.98

03:05:13.000 They're making no fucking money and they live at the factory and they're jumping off the roof. 0.98

03:05:16.000 You can't defend that. 0.99

03:05:22.000 Mm-hmm.

03:05:25.000 Mm-hmm.

03:05:39.000 Yeah.

03:05:39.000 And that goes to the sides.

03:05:41.000 Everyone's picking a side.

03:05:42.000 Well, they're just going after this guy.

03:05:45.000 They're going after this guy.

03:05:46.000 And there's validity to what they're saying, even though they have a phone that was built by slaves. 0.71

03:05:50.000 There's still validity in what they're saying.

03:05:51.000 And not only that, I mean, I had Shane Smith from Vison one day, and we were talking about the Coltan.

03:05:57.000 Coltran? 0.92

03:05:58.000 Coltan that they had to take out of the ground in the Congo? 0.98

03:06:01.000 And how, you know, the way they were getting a lot of the elements that they use in cell phones.

03:06:06.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

03:06:07.000 Fucking complete slave labor and child labor. 1.00

03:06:09.000 I mean, it's scary, scary stuff when you get down to the nitty gritty of how things are manufactured and constructed in order for us to get them at a reasonable price. 0.99

03:06:18.000 And it's just really spooky that we're willing to do that.

03:06:24.000 Yeah, it's just that we just synced up there.

03:06:26.000 That was wild.

03:06:27.000 Partly, it's just the unintended consequences of wanting things.

03:06:31.000 It's also the unintended consequences of having this business model of unlimited growth.

03:06:36.000 And what we're talking about, about Trump.

03:06:39.000 Having a sort of responsibility to its shareholders just like Apple having a responsibility to their shareholders like this this thing of unlimited growth places morality at the end of the list of Motivations for what you're doing and there's a thing called diffusion of responsibility that takes place when you have a gigantic group of people They call themselves a corporation.

03:06:59.000 You're just a little piece of that corporation It's not like Dave Rubin's out there making people work for 13 cents an hour and No, it's Microsoft or it's, you know, Hitachi or, you know, fill in the blank.

03:07:09.000 I don't know if those companies do bad things, but whatever company it is.

03:07:12.000 Apple.

03:07:13.000 It's paying people ridiculously low wages.

03:07:16.000 I mean, that is what it is, you know?

03:07:19.000 The corporation becomes this entity that needs zeros and ones, and you have to figure out a way to get them. 0.86

03:07:26.000 And can you get them by taking these people that have worked for us for 20 years and just fucking casting them out? 0.93

03:07:31.000 Can you do that? 0.95

03:07:32.000 Yeah, but they're good.

03:07:33.000 They do a good job. 1.00

03:07:34.000 Fuck them. 1.00

03:07:34.000 How about you cut them off and you make asshole face to the right, work four extra hours a day. 1.00

03:07:39.000 Right. 0.99

03:07:39.000 So then you take instead, think of all the executives and all the mid-level people that they've got up in Cupertino making absurds amount of money. 0.99

03:07:46.000 I'm not just talking about the shareholders who cashed in.

03:07:48.000 I'm talking about all those Silicon Valley guys making absurd amount of money.

03:07:51.000 I don't begrudge any of them any of that money.

03:07:53.000 But imagine if all of them who could live incredibly well on... 0.99

03:07:57.000 10% of what they have and funneled some of that money to the same people making their shit. 0.98

03:08:02.000 I'm not a socialist, so I'm not even saying this would be the right thing to do in any way. 0.97

03:08:05.000 But like, those people all walk around with a pretty clean conscience.

03:08:09.000 Yeah. 0.97

03:08:09.000 You know, while they have, you know, the fancy, you know, they probably all have Teslas and all that shit. 0.97

03:08:13.000 And the people that are literally making the shit, not just the ones coming up with the ideas in Cupertino, because they always say we're in It is interesting how we really distinguish very clearly the difference between the person who has the idea and the person who puts the idea together with their fingers. 0.88

03:08:33.000 That's not nearly as valuable. 0.98

03:08:35.000 But without that person putting it together, it never gets done.

03:08:39.000 The manufacturing process does not just include the people that buy the machines.

03:08:44.000 That includes the people that work for the people that buy the machines.

03:08:47.000 But the people that buy the machines get so much more money than the people that work for them.

03:08:50.000 And then the people that design the plans and give them to the people that buy the machines, they get even more money.

03:08:55.000 They get the most money.

03:08:56.000 The people who design the idea is most important.

03:08:59.000 And I don't know if that's because of the nature of the thing, that it's set up that way because those are the people, the people at the very top are the ones that are going to expand this weird thing that we're doing, expand this technological sort of progression,

03:09:15.000 this ongoing wave of improvement and innovation that we demand.

03:09:20.000 We demand new, better versions. 1.00

03:09:23.000 iPhone 7's a piece of shit. 0.99

03:09:24.000 When's the 8 come out? 1.00

03:09:26.000 Dude, the 8's going to have HD reality built in.

03:09:30.000 The question really at the end of the day is, are any of us happier?

03:09:32.000 Are any of us more functional?

03:09:34.000 Are any of us more...

03:09:36.000 Exactly.

03:09:36.000 Yeah.

03:09:36.000 Like, what have we done here?

03:09:38.000 What have we done?

03:09:39.000 If they were to gauge happiness of the average person who had the exact same physical attributes as you that grew up in the same town you grew up in in 1950...

03:09:49.000 Versus right now, is there any quantifiable difference?

03:09:53.000 And I would guess that basically it's no.

03:09:56.000 That doesn't mean this thing hasn't done incredible things, because Tahrir Square, all the revolutions that haven't really worked out the way they're supposed to, but it connected people all over the world.

03:10:04.000 And that's pretty awesome.

03:10:05.000 So it does, of course, it does great stuff.

03:10:07.000 But in terms of what are we actually chasing constantly, as you said, there's no end, because once it's always profit...

03:10:13.000 Well, we got new, new, new, new, new.

03:10:15.000 So you're not chasing happiness.

03:10:16.000 You're not chasing fulfillment.

03:10:17.000 You're not chasing, you know, whatever the end game of the human experience is.

03:10:22.000 You're just chasing something.

03:10:23.000 I don't think it's for humans.

03:10:24.000 I think it's for the next thing.

03:10:26.000 I think we're setting it up for the next thing.

03:10:28.000 We're the little workers that are building the shop for the machine overlords.

03:10:31.000 Oh man, we're the guys with the nets.

03:10:32.000 Yeah, we're the guys with the nets.

03:10:34.000 We just don't think we are.

03:10:35.000 Our thirst for technology is probably connected in some way to this thing wanting to emerge.

03:10:42.000 And that as we become more and more materialistic and interested in the latest and greatest, we fuel this innovation.

03:10:50.000 We're a part of it, whether we like it or know it or not.

03:10:53.000 That's why, as a human being, it's very frustrating and confusing when you're addicted to technology, when you're caught up in it and locked away in it.

03:10:59.000 And for me, I find that the only way I stay happy is by being involved in very physical things.

03:11:06.000 Like, and I think that's one of the reasons why record numbers of people are depressed today.

03:11:10.000 I think they're not fulfilling their human requirements, their biological human requirements.

03:11:14.000 For me, exercise is gigantic.

03:11:18.000 Meditation is also gigantic, which I also consider a very physical thing because it's a focused concentration internally. 0.93

03:11:25.000 Versus on whatever bullshit is on my fucking Twitter feed or whatever Facebook feed or dealing with some nonsense about a job You don't really give a fuck about instead of that I'm focusing on things that are important to me like the management of the actual mind itself mm-hmm I think Putting yourself in competition scenarios, 0.94

03:11:43.000 putting in things where you have to perform under pressure. 0.99

03:11:45.000 That's one of the reasons why people get so addicted to jiu-jitsu.

03:11:48.000 Because then it's like this high-level problem-solving thing that you're doing all the time, and it makes regular life seem so much more easy to manage. 0.98

03:11:54.000 And regular dilemmas are nothing compared to a fucking 190-pound man who's built like a gorilla on your back trying to choke you to sleep. 0.96

03:12:01.000 That reminds me of the gym in West Hollywood, actually. 0.99

03:12:05.000 You see what I did there?

03:12:06.000 Dave Rubin, ladies and gentlemen.

03:12:08.000 But I think, regardless, it's happening.

03:12:10.000 It's happening to us regardless. 1.00

03:12:12.000 My nonsense in talking to you about switching to Windows 10 and a fucking Google phone, it's bullshit. 1.00

03:12:17.000 It's stupid. 1.00

03:12:18.000 It's not going to fix anything. 1.00

03:12:19.000 And I'm not trying to.

03:12:20.000 I'm not claiming to.

03:12:21.000 I'm not claiming that I ever possibly could or have the influence.

03:12:23.000 But what I'm saying is, you as a human being have an obligation to yourself To extract that happy juice out of your body in a positive way.

03:12:34.000 And I don't think we're designed to sit at desks.

03:12:37.000 I don't think we're designed for fluorescent lights.

03:12:39.000 I don't think we're designed for movies.

03:12:40.000 And all those things are great.

03:12:42.000 All those things are great. 1.00

03:12:43.000 But you've got to manage the amount of exposure you have to that shit. 0.98

03:12:46.000 You have to manage the amount of exposure you have to fictitional narratives. 0.99

03:12:50.000 You have to manage the kind of exposure you have to electronic influence.

03:12:56.000 It's just like you have to manage the type of people that are in your life.

03:12:59.000 We're around people that are complaining all the time.

03:13:01.000 If you're just around people that are just whining, like, oh my god, another day.

03:13:07.000 I'm sure you didn't see the movie, but there's this kid's movie about...

03:13:13.000 Inside Out.

03:13:14.000 And it's about this girl's brain.

03:13:16.000 It's a little kid's movie I saw with my daughters.

03:13:18.000 But it's a little kid's movie about this girl has these characters in her brain.

03:13:23.000 One of them's Anger. 0.96

03:13:24.000 And Louis Black plays Anger, which is fucking awesome. 0.96

03:13:27.000 And the other one is Sadness. 0.93

03:13:29.000 And Sadness is like, whoa, everything's so sad.

03:13:31.000 And everything sadness touches becomes sadness like everything turns blue It's kind of an interesting movie because it's funny.

03:13:38.000 It's entertaining But it's also it's kind of there's a lesson to be learned for children that like you can you can Marinate in those fucking thoughts you can allow those thoughts to influence and touch all these different aspects of your life Or you can figure out how to stop them like understand what they are These are these are these thoughts or it's almost like a living thing like a life force and that living thing can grow if you feed it but But if you don't feed it, 0.99

03:14:01.000 you push it aside, and you feed the positive thing, you can manage that little fucker. 1.00

03:14:05.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:14:05.000 Might not ever go away, because you're not living in a movie. 1.00

03:14:08.000 But you could definitely manage it way better than you're doing if you don't take conscious decisions of what kind of energy you let into your life.

03:14:15.000 Yeah.

03:14:15.000 Well, we all know people that are addicted to their own pain, or their own trauma, or their own story.

03:14:19.000 And no matter what you do, you know...

03:14:22.000 They love it.

03:14:23.000 And they love it.

03:14:23.000 They love it.

03:14:24.000 We all have relatives like this, or friends, and it's like...

03:14:27.000 You gotta do the work.

03:14:28.000 It is work.

03:14:30.000 Life is work.

03:14:31.000 It is endless.

03:14:32.000 It's endless till it's over, and then you may regret not doing some of the work.

03:14:36.000 It's also...

03:14:37.000 It's not like there's no options.

03:14:42.000 There are options to thought patterns.

03:14:45.000 And if you just allow these deeply ingrained paths to exist in your mind, where you immediately fall into complaining, and the woe is me, it never works out for me...

03:14:55.000 Someone sent me a text the other day comparing two people.

03:14:59.000 The same thing happened.

03:15:01.000 Two people were at the same event.

03:15:02.000 And one person had this horrific, like, oh my god, this is terrible.

03:15:07.000 This is the worst.

03:15:08.000 This is such a waste of my time.

03:15:09.000 And the other person was, well, it hasn't been good yet, but hey, there's still time!

03:15:14.000 Exclamation point.

03:15:15.000 Smiley face.

03:15:15.000 I'm like, this is a perfect example of the difference between two different people in the exact same experience having two different patterns that they allow their brain to go down.

03:15:23.000 Now, what if you find out that guy's on Zoloft?

03:15:26.000 Does that change it for you?

03:15:27.000 That's an issue, right?

03:15:28.000 And that's what a lot of people do.

03:15:30.000 And again, this is not to disparage people who have legitimate mental imbalances where they need medication.

03:15:36.000 I have a bunch of friends that have had that.

03:15:38.000 But the question with that is, is that nature a nurture?

03:15:42.000 What is causing these negative thoughts in your mind?

03:15:45.000 Is it a biological issue that you have because part of you is not working correctly, which is entirely possible?

03:15:51.000 Or is it you've embraced these negative thoughts and this negative program by your family or by people that you hang around with or bad influences, and you've embraced it to the point where you're unable to take these positive thought patterns?

03:16:03.000 You almost have to go to a retreat.

03:16:05.000 They almost have to kidnap you and put you on some island somewhere where somebody talks to you and goes, hey man, this is life.

03:16:11.000 Right now is life.

03:16:12.000 You don't have to get back to that email.

03:16:14.000 I know you think you do.

03:16:15.000 You don't have to get back to those people that are negative that are in your life.

03:16:18.000 You don't have to.

03:16:19.000 This is life.

03:16:20.000 This right here.

03:16:21.000 Breathe in.

03:16:22.000 Breathe out.

03:16:22.000 You're alive.

03:16:23.000 You're also alive in... 0.99

03:16:25.000 Maybe the greatest fucking time the world has ever known. 0.99

03:16:27.000 I mean, come on, man. 0.98

03:16:28.000 It's never been easier to get food.

03:16:30.000 It's never been safer to walk the streets.

03:16:31.000 There's never been more cool people to communicate with. 0.97

03:16:34.000 This is the best fucking time ever. 1.00

03:16:36.000 Like, don't go, woe is me, because some girl doesn't want to suck your dick anymore. 1.00

03:16:39.000 Can you just fucking stop and relax for a moment? 1.00

03:16:42.000 If you were a 90-year-old man living in Ecuador, you know, that his whole life he'd been forced to be a farmer working for pennies and eating fucking raw potatoes and shit, and someone gave you the opportunity to come here and be you now, how good? 0.99

03:16:54.000 God damn happy would you be. 0.99

03:16:56.000 You'd be so happy. 0.99

03:16:58.000 Well, that is you.

03:16:58.000 That's you right now.

03:16:59.000 You won the lottery, bitch. 1.00

03:17:00.000 Yeah, get to it. 1.00

03:17:01.000 You're still complaining.

03:17:03.000 99.9% of the people listening have won the lottery in comparison to all the other people that they're going to come in contact with.

03:17:11.000 Or a lot of the other people.

03:17:12.000 In an interesting way, you're almost making a case though for people to, that the key to happiness in the midst of this technological monstrosity that we're part of, that the key really is to disconnect yourself from it.

03:17:25.000 And that comes with certain costs too.

03:17:28.000 I don't think to disconnect.

03:17:29.000 I think to have discipline.

03:17:31.000 I think for me, at least, my best happiness comes from when I have discipline in avoiding the technology or limiting my access to the technology and consciously choosing to do other things.

03:17:46.000 You know?

03:17:47.000 Yeah.

03:17:47.000 Get involved in other hobbies.

03:17:49.000 Get involved in, you know, like whether it's yoga or archery or, you know, go run marathons or go, you know, get involved in, you know, go enter a jiu-jitsu tournament, go climb a mountain.

03:18:00.000 There's things that people do that are hard to do and you don't just do it to get to the top of the mountain, I think, or to, you know, finish that, cross that line that you decide you're going to run to.

03:18:12.000 You do it because your body requires it.

03:18:16.000 Your brain may require it.

03:18:18.000 Like you as a being, as an entity.

03:18:20.000 Problem solving and puzzle solving is a part of who you are.

03:18:25.000 Overcoming adversity is a muscle that's got to be exercised. 1.00

03:18:28.000 Because if it's not, then once the shit hits the fan, you fucking fall apart. 1.00

03:18:32.000 And we all know people like that. 1.00

03:18:34.000 That just when one bad thing goes on in their life, they become blabbering fucking idiots. 1.00

03:18:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

03:18:40.000 Yeah, that's, I mean, that's why you gotta just push.

03:18:44.000 Like, you have no choice in a way.

03:18:45.000 I guess once you see that, which seems fairly obvious to someone if you're awake enough, once you see it, you gotta just push and push and push.

03:18:53.000 And you will fail, as I've said several times.

03:18:55.000 Like, you're gonna fail at it. 0.99

03:18:57.000 And I fail at it all the time, where suddenly three hours went by and I go, shit, I just stared at Twitter for three hours. 0.99

03:19:01.000 Right, you definitely could do that. 0.98

03:19:03.000 Literally just taking my dog for a walk.

03:19:05.000 Sometimes that would just reset it, and then I'd feel better after that.

03:19:08.000 And if you don't do that, it's taking that step.

03:19:12.000 Get yourself to take that step.

03:19:13.000 And just once you're doing something, it's usually pretty easy to do it.

03:19:16.000 Like once you're working out, it's pretty easy to be there.

03:19:19.000 Once you start like, oh, this is what I'm doing now, and I actually start enjoying it.

03:19:22.000 It's making yourself take that step. 0.97

03:19:24.000 There's a lot of times before yoga class where I'm like, I could just stay here and watch TV and fucking put my feet up and do nothing, man. 0.96

03:19:31.000 I'm feeling kind of sore. 0.93

03:19:32.000 Maybe I should relax. 1.00

03:19:33.000 Like your brain starts playing all these fucking mind games with you. 1.00

03:19:36.000 But when you do go to yoga class and you take that class and 90 minutes later you've lost fucking eight pounds of sweat and you've been freaking out and almost blacking out, when you get out of there you feel better. 1.00

03:19:46.000 You feel better. 0.55

03:19:46.000 You feel way better. 0.55

03:19:47.000 And it gives you also, I think, momentum and motivation to continue with the rest of your life, to keep pushing forward.

03:19:55.000 What do you think about the fact that you are your own boss also?

03:20:00.000 Because you pretty much, I know you have outside gigs too, but for the most part, probably 90% of what you do, I would guess, is you are in charge of the ultimate decisions, if not 100%, maybe.

03:20:10.000 Well, not the UFC. The UFC is my one job that I have.

03:20:14.000 And it's a job, but it's the greatest job I've ever had.

03:20:18.000 It's what you want to do.

03:20:18.000 It's a super pleasure.

03:20:20.000 And it's also an honor, and there's a massive obligation to respect and represent the people that are competing in what I think is one of the most difficult physical endeavors in all of sports.

03:20:33.000 If not the most.

03:20:34.000 I think it's incredibly difficult to do, and I feel like I'm in a very privileged position to represent those people.

03:20:40.000 But yeah, I like it that I don't need it.

03:20:42.000 Yeah, I love that.

03:20:44.000 I love that.

03:20:44.000 I like not having a boss, man, even though my boss is amazing.

03:20:48.000 That job is the greatest job of all time.

03:20:50.000 I like doing things when I want to do them, too. 0.99

03:20:54.000 But it's not like I'm lazy, so I push myself to do a lot of shit.

03:20:58.000 And I, you know, I have goals and I accomplish them or attempt to and I have, you know, commitments as far as like writing and performing and producing things. 0.72

03:21:06.000 But, yeah, being your own boss, man, if you could pull it off, is like the greatest thing ever.

03:21:11.000 Yeah.

03:21:11.000 Because it's not work anymore.

03:21:13.000 It's like you're working for yourself, but you're doing things instead of working.

03:21:17.000 Yeah.

03:21:17.000 Like you're not punching in.

03:21:18.000 I mean, I went independent in June, so I'm not even six months out of that.

03:21:23.000 And not only was it the smartest business decision I ever made, which partly was because I saw guys like you and Corolla and a couple other guys that I was like, wait a minute, they built great brands, they have their fans, and they're doing it.

03:21:37.000 I was like, oh, there's actual template for this if I built my audience correctly.

03:21:42.000 And I just took the risk and said, let's see what happens.

03:21:45.000 And We launched this Patreon campaign, which is where fans can donate per month whatever they want.

03:21:50.000 So you do like two bucks, you get a newsletter.

03:21:53.000 We have people that donate 250, and I Skype with them every month, and a whole bunch of different things.

03:21:57.000 I didn't know when I woke up the next morning after we launched it, it might have been over.

03:22:01.000 My career literally might have been over, just like that, because I quit my job.

03:22:05.000 I had no job, my producer had no job, my director had no job, no insurance, no nothing.

03:22:09.000 And I woke up, and our fans showed up, and they took care of us.

03:22:14.000 And because of that, now in the six months since then, now I bought this house, I'm building the studio, and we're figuring out all other ways to make deals and all that kind of stuff.

03:22:24.000 But I still wake up sometimes, this is what my point was, I still wake up sometimes and I'm like, wait a minute, do I have to answer to somebody?

03:22:29.000 Like, I have a feeling.

03:22:30.000 It's just a feeling, you know, like...

03:22:32.000 Wow, I can't believe this.

03:22:33.000 I make the decision here.

03:22:35.000 Well, kind of a way like that hunger, that fear to take that chance and to do things, that's like one of the best things you could ever have in life.

03:22:45.000 Because it's the motivator. 0.81

03:22:48.000 If you're not like a woe is me, I'm always going to be a loser. 0.97

03:22:50.000 If you're a person who really tries to do something, risk-taking is so goddamn critical because it forces you to action. 0.93

03:22:56.000 And it forces you to be inspired and to get fired up.

03:23:00.000 And that's when things really take place.

03:23:01.000 Yeah, it really is.

03:23:02.000 And that's one of the things that Scott Adams has said sort of about the election is that there's such chaos now, but whatever happens after, out of chaos, something new will happen.

03:23:12.000 May not be good immediately, may not be bad immediately.

03:23:14.000 We don't know what that will be, but the chaos, the chance, the risk will now allow for something else to happen.

03:23:20.000 So all these people who, you know, all these pundits who got everything wrong for the last year and, oh, it's going to be Rubio, it's going to be Cruz, blah, blah, blah.

03:23:27.000 Yeah.

03:23:27.000 It's like, they'll now tell you everything else that's gonna happen for the next year, and they're gonna get all that wrong.

03:23:32.000 But, out of chaos, something happens, and that's what I realized.

03:23:35.000 I had a path.

03:23:36.000 I had a salary, and I was doing fine, and I liked working at Aura, and Larry King's been great to me, and it was all good.

03:23:40.000 But I just had this feeling of like, I gotta try this.

03:23:44.000 I gotta try this, and it worked.

03:23:46.000 I'd be in a very different position if it didn't work, you know? 1.00

03:23:48.000 Yeah, you don't wanna be that guy who just wishes they took that chance, and you're still working for some company, and they still treat you like shit. 0.99

03:23:55.000 I mean, because... 0.99

03:23:58.000 In that sense, you're the person making the phones.

03:24:00.000 You're not the person with the idea.

03:24:02.000 And the person with the idea, especially if you're a smart guy like you are, you do yourself a disservice if you don't express yourself completely fully and without any reserve or any reservations.

03:24:16.000 And when you work for someone, you always have a reservation.

03:24:18.000 You're always worried, man.

03:24:19.000 You're always, like, biting your tongue or flavoring your words.

03:24:23.000 Or, you know, they come into your office and go, Dave, you've been really hard on Clinton.

03:24:26.000 I think it's really important.

03:24:27.000 Mike, you know, the producer, he's got hashtag I'm with her on his Twitter account.

03:24:34.000 And we just want you to just think about doing that.

03:24:36.000 Like, criticize her if you choose to, but be balanced.

03:24:39.000 Be balanced.

03:24:40.000 You're being real. 0.98

03:24:41.000 You're being silly, but you're also being real. 0.98

03:24:43.000 Those are the real conversations. 1.00

03:24:44.000 Because that is the real shit that's going on there. 1.00

03:24:46.000 Hashtag I'm with her. 0.99

03:24:47.000 You've got to have the hashtag.

03:24:48.000 Jeanette, the president of the company, is going to come down and talk to you about a lot of the things she said.

03:24:52.000 I don't necessarily disagree.

03:24:54.000 I've been kind of misogynist.

03:24:56.000 And maybe just a little bit unsupportive of women's issues. 1.00

03:24:59.000 And this company is very progressive.

03:25:01.000 And we really feel strongly that... 0.99

03:25:03.000 That's the kind of shit that you don't get to be Dave Rubin. 0.99

03:25:05.000 We're very progressive, so you should think exactly like we do. 1.00

03:25:08.000 You have to be Dave Rubin with a mortgage who's worried about losing his job.

03:25:11.000 That's not good for business.

03:25:13.000 It's not good for thinking.

03:25:13.000 It's not good for humans.

03:25:15.000 It's not good for the business of culture.

03:25:17.000 I don't mean business, but the endeavor.

03:25:19.000 The endeavor of culture.

03:25:21.000 The endeavor of culture requires some sort of an open discourse. 0.99

03:25:26.000 And that includes shit like WikiLeaks, okay? 0.98

03:25:28.000 That's a part of the open discourse. 0.99

03:25:30.000 When you tell someone like Chelsea Manning that they can't let anybody know about this horrific shit that's going on that you know is illegal, you've set up this sort of a system where you're stopping data from going through, you're stopping people from communicating, and you're going to ultimately stop people from expressing their opinions on what was communicated, 0.65

03:25:47.000 which is going to stop progress. 0.96

03:25:49.000 What are you, a Russian hacker?

03:25:50.000 Must be.

03:25:51.000 Must be.

03:25:52.000 I'm just a pot-smoking hippie.

03:25:55.000 With no hair. 1.00

03:25:58.000 All of us are just fucking people, Dave Rubin. 1.00

03:26:01.000 I think that's one of the things that's going to come out when the dust settles and we pick a new king or queen. 1.00

03:26:07.000 What do you think is going to happen now that we've been talking this long? 0.98

03:26:10.000 Clinton's going to win and everyone's going to hate her and it's going to be a record number of people that are intolerant and say crazy shit and we're going to have to all figure out a way to get along. 0.95

03:26:21.000 Do you see any situation where we wake up or tomorrow night that Trump's president? 0.98

03:26:25.000 A hundred percent.

03:26:26.000 Yeah.

03:26:26.000 Yeah, I do.

03:26:27.000 I don't think it's gonna happen. 0.81

03:26:28.000 I think most likely Hillary's gonna win, but I absolutely could see just some giant fuck up where the mass media has been lied to by polls and by public opinion. 1.00

03:26:42.000 I don't think necessarily polls are very accurate anymore because I don't think people choose to take polls very often.

03:26:48.000 They mostly call landlines.

03:26:49.000 When's the last time you had a landline?

03:26:51.000 Exactamundo.

03:26:51.000 I had a joke about that in my last special.

03:26:54.000 Like, maybe you're dealing with 1%.

03:26:57.000 Like, the problem with polls is the people who answer polls.

03:27:01.000 Yeah.

03:27:01.000 That's the problem.

03:27:02.000 Have you ever been polled?

03:27:03.000 Ever?

03:27:03.000 Never.

03:27:04.000 Yeah, me neither.

03:27:04.000 Exactly.

03:27:05.000 Exactly.

03:27:05.000 So it's a weird thing that we're doing here where we're basing that on polls.

03:27:09.000 Exit polls are different.

03:27:10.000 It's a little bit different.

03:27:11.000 But that was way off with Al Gore, right?

03:27:15.000 Yeah.

03:27:15.000 I mean, they predicted Al Gore to be, apparently he was like the popular winner, right?

03:27:19.000 He won the popular vote, yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:27:21.000 Why doesn't he run? 0.99

03:27:22.000 What the fuck's going on, Al? 0.99

03:27:23.000 I'm not a huge Al. 0.99

03:27:24.000 I know it's very cool to say you like Al Gore.

03:27:26.000 I'm not an Al Gore guy.

03:27:28.000 How dare you?

03:27:28.000 You know what Al Gore did?

03:27:30.000 He created current television, right?

03:27:34.000 And then eventually, it was a failure as a network.

03:27:37.000 It was purging money.

03:27:39.000 And then he had a choice.

03:27:40.000 He had a couple offers on the table.

03:27:42.000 Could have sold it to Glenn Beck, but I guess he doesn't like Glenn Beck politics.

03:27:45.000 That's fine.

03:27:46.000 He sold it to Al Jazeera, which is owned by the government of Qatar.

03:27:49.000 That puts out more fossil fuel oil garbage, the same stuff that he rails against all day long, and he sold them that.

03:27:56.000 So he basically did the producers.

03:27:58.000 He used all of his connections and money as vice president to get a network on the air, because it's incredibly hard to get into the cable system.

03:28:07.000 So he used all his leverage to get there, created a failure, and he walked away, I think, with $500 million.

03:28:13.000 And sold it to Qatar.

03:28:14.000 And it was in many ways funded by his humanitarian campaign to alert the world to the dangers of global warming.

03:28:20.000 That was what gave him credibility.

03:28:22.000 So that's a Cosby situation right there.

03:28:24.000 It's a Cosby.

03:28:25.000 You'll see.

03:28:26.000 And on that note, we're going to wrap it up with that.

03:28:29.000 Dave Rubin, that was just three and a half hours. 0.99

03:28:31.000 Holy shit. 0.99

03:28:32.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:28:32.000 I honestly had no idea. 0.99

03:28:33.000 When I'm on stage or when I'm doing my show, I have no sense of time.

03:28:36.000 Don't do three and a half hour shows, man.

03:28:38.000 People get pissed.

03:28:39.000 They look at their watch.

03:28:40.000 What was the longest one?

03:28:41.000 Was it Sam?

03:28:42.000 Four hours?

03:28:43.000 What's your longest one?

03:28:44.000 Oh, I don't know, man.

03:28:46.000 Five and a half for Fight Companions. 1.00

03:28:48.000 No shit. 0.99

03:28:49.000 Yeah, we've done some long fucking podcasts in here. 1.00

03:28:51.000 I can't shut the fuck up. 0.99

03:28:53.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:28:53.000 Good job for me. 0.99

03:28:54.000 Listen, I am now going to publicly...

03:28:56.000 You've already agreed to do it, but I'm publicly...

03:28:58.000 You gotta come on.

03:28:59.000 I'll do it.

03:29:00.000 I know you will.

03:29:01.000 I'll do it.

03:29:01.000 A little guilt at the end.

03:29:02.000 We've had a nice report here.

03:29:03.000 It's been a great conversation.

03:29:05.000 Thank you very much, sir.

03:29:06.000 And how do people get your podcast?

03:29:07.000 Where can they go?

03:29:08.000 YouTube.com slash RubenReport.

03:29:10.000 RubenReport.com.

03:29:12.000 You know, RubenReport on Twitter.

03:29:13.000 We're on the iTunes.

03:29:14.000 My branding guy's pretty good. 1.00

03:29:16.000 RubenReport, you motherfuckers. 1.00

03:29:17.000 Respect. 1.00

03:29:18.000 Alright, we'll see you soon.

03:29:19.000 Bye!

03:29:20.000 Thanks, brother.

03:29:20.000 Thank you.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 07, 2016

Joe Rogan Experience #869 - Dave Rubin

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