The Joe Rogan Experience - April 19, 2017


Joe Rogan Experience #949 - Josh Zepps

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Bill O'Reilly is dead at the age of 65, and the world is a better place because of it. Joe and Josh pay their respects to one of the most beloved hosts of all time, and talk about what they think of Bill's take on religion and whether or not he really believed in God. Also, they talk about why they don't believe in God, and why they think there's no such thing as a God at all. And, of course, they also talk about how the universe came to be, and how it balances itself out with food and water, and then they realize that it all has to come from an exploding star and fire and water and the elements that come from exploding star, and that it's all a magnificent, magnificent creation. And then they wonder if there's a god in the clouds. And if there isn't, how could there be a god at all? And how could the universe balance itself in some sort of complex, mysterious way? And how does that even make sense? And why does it have to be a God? And who made it all come from a star and a fire and a water and a food and a dirt and an earth and a planet? And does it all have to do it all together? And is there a God in the universe? And if it's not a God, how did it all balance itself? And what is it all of that? And why is there no such a thing? and how could it all be? ? and why is it not a god? How could it be? and how does it exist? And can it all work? And isn't it all a beautiful and beautiful and all of it all at the same time? -- and how can we all of this be a big and beautiful? What is it be a whole lot of things? We'll talk about it all in this episode, and we'll do it live! - Josh and Joe - and we're not even talking about God? - and it's a good one, right? - is it a God and everything has to do that right, right, and it can be a little bit like that? And it's just a god and everything can be explained in a better than it is a little better than we think it is? And we can have it like that, but it can't be? We can't have it all, can it?

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00:00:02.000 Five, four, three, two, one. 1.00
00:00:06.000 Fuck it! 1.00
00:00:06.000 We'll do it live! 1.00
00:00:07.000 Fuck it! 1.00
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00:00:09.000 Do it live!
00:00:09.000 We'll do it live!
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00:00:11.000 Josh Zapps, today's a sad day.
00:00:13.000 We lost Bill O'Reilly.
00:00:14.000 I'm mourning.
00:00:15.000 Are you mourning, Joe?
00:00:16.000 I feel like I should be, but I'm not.
00:00:19.000 He made a ton of loot.
00:00:21.000 What's that?
00:00:21.000 I said he made a ton of loot.
00:00:23.000 Wow.
00:00:23.000 I mean, since 96, when Fox News launched, and he was like the big...
00:00:27.000 I'm just making it up that that's when Fox News launched.
00:00:29.000 Let's check it, Jamie!
00:00:30.000 Is that when Fox News launched?
00:00:31.000 96?
00:00:32.000 Check it! 0.99
00:00:33.000 Can you fucking check it? 0.99
00:00:34.000 Just check it now, Jamie! 0.99
00:00:35.000 Check it now!
00:00:36.000 Check it live!
00:00:38.000 He has pulled in so much money for that network and for himself.
00:00:42.000 Oh, yeah.
00:00:43.000 He wrote a bunch of books.
00:00:44.000 He was the main guy, really.
00:00:45.000 He really was the main guy.
00:00:46.000 It's a big day in broadcasting. 1.00
00:00:47.000 They're gonna find another old cunt to fill a spot. 1.00
00:00:50.000 They're gonna have to. 1.00
00:00:51.000 That's what people want.
00:00:53.000 Look at that.
00:00:53.000 October 7th, 1996, ladies and gentlemen.
00:00:55.000 You're welcome, America.
00:00:57.000 You're welcome.
00:00:58.000 Before that, he was on hard copy or something like that, right?
00:01:01.000 I don't even know.
00:01:02.000 I was too young.
00:01:03.000 I wasn't even here in the States.
00:01:04.000 Oh, yeah.
00:01:05.000 I was a school child in Australia.
00:01:07.000 A little child.
00:01:07.000 I don't remember him from anything else.
00:01:09.000 I just remember him being on O'Reilly and watching it and going, what is...
00:01:13.000 It's like that longing for nostalgia thing.
00:01:16.000 You know, you see an older gentleman in a tie who just said, well, that's the way it is.
00:01:20.000 The tide goes in, the tide goes out.
00:01:22.000 Can you explain it? 1.00
00:01:22.000 Like, what in the fuck is this guy doing? 1.00
00:01:25.000 That was when he was talking to an atheist, wasn't he? 1.00
00:01:28.000 Who was he, was it?
00:01:29.000 Oh, I don't remember.
00:01:30.000 Maybe it was Ricky Gervais or someone.
00:01:33.000 I can't remember, but he was saying...
00:01:34.000 It was Ricky Gervais.
00:01:35.000 Well, maybe it was Sam.
00:01:36.000 Could it have been Sam Harris?
00:01:38.000 No.
00:01:39.000 I don't know who it was.
00:01:40.000 Anyway, some atheist was saying, and Bill was like, I've got the absolute number one reason why you have to believe in God.
00:01:50.000 Because...
00:01:52.000 Tide goes in, tide goes out.
00:01:53.000 Always been that way, always will be that way.
00:01:55.000 Moon goes round, Earth spins round.
00:01:57.000 How do you explain that, if not God?
00:01:59.000 It was just super obvious that he was pandering. 0.99
00:02:01.000 Because the guy went to fucking Harvard, okay? 1.00
00:02:03.000 Bill O'Reilly's not a dope. 1.00
00:02:05.000 He might be a douchebag, but he's not a dope. 0.98
00:02:07.000 I think religion makes people dopey in ways that they don't even know about. 0.99
00:02:12.000 I don't even think he's religious. 0.95
00:02:13.000 I think he's barely religious.
00:02:15.000 I think he's religious enough to get by with the job.
00:02:18.000 That's interesting.
00:02:19.000 So do you think he has been insincere?
00:02:22.000 100%.
00:02:22.000 Because I think he's one of the...
00:02:24.000 Look, I don't watch the show a lot, so I'm not sure, but he's always struck me as one of the more straight shooters.
00:02:29.000 I think he is...
00:02:30.000 He's smart, but not wise.
00:02:33.000 Yes.
00:02:46.000 To the cosmos and how could we all have come about?
00:02:48.000 How could this whole thing around us exist with all these butterflies and the moon and the tide comes in and the tide goes out and there's me and Joe, these spiritual creatures, these beings sitting opposite each other at a table in Los Angeles right now.
00:03:01.000 Some people just find that too inexplicable to explain without a deity.
00:03:06.000 So they're like, all right, there must have been a big guy who did it. 1.00
00:03:09.000 It's even dumber, in my opinion, to think that one dude engineered this whole fucking thing. 0.97
00:03:14.000 I mean, wouldn't you just think that, oh wow, there's some crazy, super complex system that sort of works in some odd way where it balances itself out with predator and prey and food and water and fire and dirt and all this stuff together, and then you realize that it all has to form out of the actual... 0.99
00:03:34.000 The elements that come from an exploding star.
00:03:36.000 It's magnificent.
00:03:38.000 Just the actual, the full realm of things that they've absolutely proven to be true in terms of scientific discoveries about the universe and just the very elements that constitute human beings and everything you see,
00:03:53.000 this table and laptops.
00:03:54.000 It's amazing.
00:03:55.000 The idea that one dude is sitting there up in his cloud with a robe on.
00:04:00.000 And, of course, moderate religious people will say, well, of course we don't believe in that kind of a god.
00:04:04.000 We don't believe in a god with a robe and a beard sitting in the clouds.
00:04:08.000 We believe in a more sophisticated, metaphorical version of god. 0.99
00:04:12.000 Yeah, but you still believe that whatever consciousness created black holes and the whole cosmos gives a shit whether or not you beat off. 0.99
00:04:23.000 Well, also that it has to be a one. 0.97
00:04:25.000 Yeah.
00:04:26.000 A god.
00:04:27.000 A thing.
00:04:27.000 A one thing.
00:04:28.000 Unless you're a Hindu. 1.00
00:04:29.000 In which case, I've got an elephant god over here.
00:04:31.000 I've got a Vishnu over here.
00:04:33.000 I've got a multi-armed monkey.
00:04:36.000 Whoa.
00:04:37.000 And you've got a lot of hash.
00:04:39.000 You've got to get a lot of hash to see those things.
00:04:41.000 Hopefully we do, Joe.
00:04:42.000 I mean, one of the things that's interesting is I think at any given point in time, people just assume that the universe was created by whatever thing happens to be around them.
00:04:53.000 Lawrence Krauss was on the podcast.
00:04:55.000 I heard that.
00:04:55.000 That was a great episode.
00:04:56.000 I had him on my podcast.
00:04:58.000 No, I had him on Point of Inquiry, actually, which is a different podcast than my normal one, We The People, like the week before he was on yours.
00:05:04.000 Yours was way better. 0.99
00:05:05.000 You can talk about a lot of shit in three hours, Joe. 0.99
00:05:06.000 You can't talk about that in 30 minutes. 1.00
00:05:08.000 Yeah, that's why I like doing it.
00:05:08.000 But he broke my brain with this one thing.
00:05:11.000 He explained that when you talk about the universe being 14 billion years old, you're talking about the observable universe.
00:05:19.000 And he's like, the problem is...
00:05:21.000 Space moves faster than light the universe is moving faster than the speed of light so What we're seeing is what we can see from 14 billion years ago because but that doesn't mean that's all there is right he goes space itself Beyond expanding but what he's saying is space itself beyond that could be infinite It's just moving faster than we can see and You just broke my brain.
00:05:45.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:05:46.000 So what he was saying is like, when you're talking about the observable universe being, I think it's 13 point something billion years old, almost 14 billion years old, that's just how far back we can see.
00:05:56.000 He's like, but before that, like when you go back further, it's not that there's nothing there.
00:06:02.000 That's right.
00:06:03.000 It's just that we can't see it because the space itself is moving faster than the speed of light.
00:06:08.000 That's right.
00:06:09.000 And you're also, what you're looking at is not only the edge of the universe, but the edge of time.
00:06:14.000 Yeah, but it's not even the edge.
00:06:15.000 What he's saying is it's very likely that not only is it infinite, but there's an infinite number of possibilities beyond it.
00:06:23.000 Yes.
00:06:24.000 And those things beyond it may also be right alongside us.
00:06:27.000 I mean, in terms of the other dimensions and things like that, like he didn't even get into all of that stuff.
00:06:32.000 But if you believe in string theory and quantum physics, and if you believe in math, then you sort of have to.
00:06:39.000 Well, quantum physics and string theory to a dope like me is one of those things where I have to kind of take your word for it.
00:06:44.000 It's almost like before the Lutheran times, before the Bible was translated, and you had to rely on the priests.
00:06:52.000 Just trust the priest.
00:06:53.000 I'll trust you with your knowledge of Latin.
00:06:54.000 Why should I trust the priest?
00:06:55.000 Because he knows Latin.
00:06:56.000 He speaks Aramaic. 1.00
00:06:57.000 He knows how to read this shit. 1.00
00:06:58.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:06:59.000 Who told the priest?
00:06:59.000 Well, the Pope.
00:07:00.000 Who told the Pope?
00:07:01.000 Don't ask questions.
00:07:02.000 Go and eat your food.
00:07:03.000 That's why it's so important to appreciate.
00:07:06.000 When people are science deniers, it's so frustrating because everything you use, everything you enjoy, everything in terms of medicine, technology, is based on the work of countless people who have worked generations after generations on the innovations of the past.
00:07:25.000 People before them invented some shit, they improved upon it, they figured out more, they studied the calculations of those people, they added to it, and then you get to 2017. So whenever someone steps in with an incredibly limited understanding of science or of what we're dealing with in terms of the universe itself and says,
00:07:42.000 whoa, tide goes in, the tide goes out.
00:07:45.000 You can't explain it. 1.00
00:07:45.000 Like, you motherfucker, they've been explaining the tides forever. 1.00
00:07:49.000 What are you talking about? 1.00
00:07:50.000 I think what he actually means is you can't explain why there is something instead of total chaos and anarchy and disorder.
00:07:59.000 I think you're giving him too much credit.
00:08:01.000 Really? 1.00
00:08:01.000 Yeah, he's a douchebag. 1.00
00:08:02.000 I think he's pandering. 1.00
00:08:03.000 I think he was just trying to... 1.00
00:08:05.000 I think he knows there's a bunch of old dummies out there crocheting, you know, with three teeth, listening to his stupid fucking show. 1.00
00:08:12.000 But you don't think that you can be highly intelligent and religious? 1.00
00:08:14.000 Yes, you can.
00:08:15.000 But you...
00:08:17.000 Highly effective at individual pursuits.
00:08:20.000 Now, when you say highly intelligent, I think as soon as someone is religious in terms of like, if you believe in preposterous notions, like there's a guy who came back to life, he turns water into wine, he walks on water, if you believe that, you're not intelligent.
00:08:36.000 You're just not.
00:08:37.000 I don't believe you're intelligent.
00:08:39.000 I think you are intelligent in individual disciplines, but obviously if you believe something that makes no sense whatsoever, you believe that someone was magic, someone defied physics, someone had superpowers, someone was a person who could bring people back to life,
00:08:54.000 someone could come back to life themselves.
00:08:56.000 There's no evidence that anybody like that has ever existed.
00:08:59.000 Yeah, and on what grounds do you believe this? 0.97
00:08:59.000 You believe this on the flimsiest fucking evidence that wasn't even written down until 70 or 80 years after that dude died, because Christianity didn't even... 0.97
00:09:07.000 So, I'm with you. 0.99
00:09:08.000 I mean, I'm an atheist, but...
00:09:09.000 Even worse than that, because the Old Testament is far older than the notion of Jesus.
00:09:14.000 Yes.
00:09:15.000 But it's not- But hang on.
00:09:16.000 I do quibble with the idea that you can't be smart.
00:09:21.000 Stephen Colbert is one of the smartest- But what is smart?
00:09:22.000 What is the word smart?
00:09:23.000 This is what the problem is.
00:09:25.000 Like, we define smart. 1.00
00:09:26.000 If you believe stupid shit, are you smart? 1.00
00:09:28.000 You are implying that the reason why Bill O'Reilly talks about tide goes in, tide goes out, is because he's pandering to people because he's a Harvard guy and there's no way that he would be dumb enough to believe that. 1.00
00:09:38.000 No, I'm implying that because I looked at the way he said it, and I know what he does, and I think he's manipulative, and I think what he's doing is playing to his base.
00:09:47.000 I think there's a lot of people out there that want to see some smug, liberal atheist get taken down a notch, and Bill's just the guy to do it, and talk over him, and he's a big, giant guy so he can yell and get all aggressive.
00:09:58.000 What I don't understand is, like, Stephen Colbert is obviously a very smart guy.
00:10:02.000 He's a Catholic.
00:10:03.000 Andrew Sullivan, I don't know if you know him, the blogger.
00:10:06.000 He's a friend of Sam Harris's.
00:10:07.000 Like, he's a Christian.
00:10:09.000 Good luck.
00:10:10.000 These people find ways of compartmentalizing logic, I guess.
00:10:14.000 So, like, as you say, they believe in something that is totally crazy.
00:10:18.000 I mean, the idea that you can say a certain number of Latin words over a cracker and it'll turn bodily into the flesh of someone who existed 2,000 years ago is crazy magic talk. 0.72
00:10:28.000 Well, it's crazy talk, but there are people that are religious that are extremely intelligent, and I agree with you on this, like Jordan Peterson.
00:10:35.000 Who's a brilliant man who is very religious in the sense that he studies religion and he believes there's some fundamental principles that are involved in religion that are inexorable to the human condition.
00:10:46.000 And I think he thinks they're important to our society and to civility and ethics and morals.
00:10:54.000 I don't think he believes people walked on water.
00:10:56.000 I don't think he believes someone came back from the dead. 1.00
00:10:59.000 I don't think he believes this stupid shit. 1.00
00:11:01.000 And I don't think the stupid shit is even the original story. 1.00
00:11:06.000 The huge problem with religion is translation over time. 1.00
00:11:10.000 That's one of the biggest problems.
00:11:11.000 The oldest version of the Bible that we know of is the Dead Sea Scrolls.
00:11:16.000 They don't even use that. 0.97
00:11:17.000 Because it's so fucking crazy. 0.98
00:11:19.000 If you listen to some of the translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls or you read some of it, it is unbelievably crazy. 0.98
00:11:25.000 I mean, it sounds like science fiction stuff.
00:11:27.000 And if you go back to that version of it, I mean, you're talking about stuff that was written on animal skins.
00:11:34.000 They used to do...
00:11:35.000 They did DNA tests to make sure that the pieces that they got...
00:11:40.000 You know the whole story behind the Dead Sea Scrolls?
00:11:41.000 Basically, but you...
00:11:42.000 They found them in Qumran...
00:11:44.000 These scrolls were written on animal skin, so they were broken up.
00:11:50.000 So they pieced them back together.
00:11:51.000 They had to do DNA testing to make sure that the piece of skin came from the same cow. 0.98
00:11:55.000 And then they had to try to figure out, okay, where does all this shit go, and then how to put it into place. 0.99
00:12:01.000 But they don't even use that version of the Bible. 0.98
00:12:02.000 And even if you use the Old Testament, people say, well, that's the Old Testament.
00:12:07.000 We go by the New Testament, which is even more preposterous, because the New Testament was written by Constantine and a bunch of bishops.
00:12:13.000 And men decided what to leave in and what to take out.
00:12:17.000 They decided.
00:12:18.000 Of course.
00:12:18.000 And whole chunks of it are contradictory.
00:12:21.000 This is true of the Quran and the Hadith, as well as the Bible.
00:12:24.000 But we're just talking about the Bible for now.
00:12:26.000 Constantine wasn't even religious.
00:12:27.000 I mean, Constantine wasn't even a Christian until he died. 0.99
00:12:30.000 He was converted on his fucking deathbed. 0.99
00:12:33.000 I mean, he just did it so that he could unite Rome. 1.00
00:12:35.000 He knew what the fuck he was doing. 0.98
00:12:36.000 He was getting all these people to operate together. 0.99
00:12:38.000 Does this mean there's no God?
00:12:39.000 Absolutely not.
00:12:40.000 Does this mean that I have any answers that you don't have?
00:12:42.000 Of course not. 1.00
00:12:43.000 I'm just saying, people are full of shit, and that story sucks. 1.00
00:12:48.000 It's that simple. 1.00
00:12:49.000 I think what we do too much of is confusing two questions.
00:12:52.000 One of which is, is there a God without defining what God is?
00:12:56.000 And the other of which is, is there any reason to believe in a particular faith or a particular denomination to be a Christian or a Muslim or a Jew or whatever?
00:13:05.000 I think we can break it down even further than that.
00:13:07.000 People don't know.
00:13:09.000 And anyone who says they know is not telling the truth.
00:13:13.000 We're not talking about, do you know that carbon comes from stars?
00:13:18.000 Well, that can be scientifically explained and proven.
00:13:21.000 We're not talking about that.
00:13:22.000 We're talking about, do you know whether or not Jesus was a man who came back from the dead and turned water into water?
00:13:29.000 You do not.
00:13:30.000 No one does.
00:13:31.000 It is impossible.
00:13:32.000 I know with as much certainty that he didn't do that as I know anything about the past.
00:13:37.000 But you don't.
00:13:37.000 But you honestly don't.
00:13:39.000 You don't.
00:13:39.000 Well, how do you know what Napoleon did?
00:13:41.000 You don't.
00:13:42.000 Right.
00:13:43.000 Well, we know historical records, we know the stories of people from back then, but the idea that this one guy did things that no human being could ever do today, defied logic, physics, the laws of nature, the laws of life and death,
00:13:58.000 all the different reality...
00:14:01.000 The realities that we accept today in terms of what's provable, what we know about biological life, all that stuff was violated by this one guy.
00:14:09.000 It could have happened.
00:14:11.000 It could have.
00:14:11.000 It could have.
00:14:12.000 In the same way that the Holocaust might not have happened. 0.91
00:14:15.000 No.
00:14:16.000 It's way less likely than that.
00:14:18.000 You reckon it's more likely that Jesus was divine?
00:14:22.000 No, the opposite. 1.00
00:14:23.000 It's way more likely that the Holocaust didn't happen than that Jesus did all of that shit. 0.99
00:14:28.000 And I think the Holocaust is 100% real. 1.00
00:14:30.000 Exactly, me too.
00:14:31.000 I mean, that's kind of my point.
00:14:34.000 Religious people put an undue burden on non-religious people by saying, look, who's to say?
00:14:40.000 I say there's a God, you say there's not a God.
00:14:42.000 It's a 50-50 toss-up.
00:14:43.000 I've heard Colbert say this to Bill Maher on his show.
00:14:47.000 Look, I'm a Christian.
00:14:49.000 I've got nothing to lose.
00:14:50.000 If I turn out to be right and Christianity is true, whoop-dee-doo, I get to go to heaven. 1.00
00:14:55.000 If it turns out that Christianity is wrong, then I just die.
00:14:59.000 But at least, you know, give it a chance.
00:15:01.000 This is Pascal's wager, right?
00:15:03.000 This is this idea that you might as well be religious because, hey, if it's true, you've got an eternity of goodness and you avoid hellfire.
00:15:11.000 It can't be true because no one knows.
00:15:13.000 Like, no one has died and given you the...
00:15:16.000 No one's died with a VCR or, you know, a VHS tape recorder and come back with a...
00:15:21.000 No.
00:15:22.000 Look here, put this in the machine and play it.
00:15:23.000 This is heaven.
00:15:24.000 I've shown you.
00:15:25.000 But it's not even a 50-50 shot, is what I'm saying.
00:15:27.000 It's not like...
00:15:28.000 Like, Bertrand Russell kind of demolished this idea with his teapot analogy, where he said, like, okay, I'm going to claim that there's a teapot circling in orbit between the Earth and the Moon.
00:15:40.000 And now if you deny that, then, hey, it's just a 50-50 shot.
00:15:45.000 Maybe it's there, maybe it's not there.
00:15:47.000 Who's to say?
00:15:48.000 Obviously, you would say, no, I think it's not there, because if there's no evidence that it's there, I'm not just going to believe you because you say it.
00:15:53.000 And similarly, if you say, oh, this guy Jesus, 2,000 years ago, he turned water into wine, he walked on water, and then he was the son of God, and that God requires you to believe on him, otherwise you're going to go to hell forever, and you say, why should I believe that?
00:16:06.000 And they can't turn around and say, hey, it's a 50-50 shot.
00:16:09.000 It's not a 50-50 shot.
00:16:10.000 There are good reasons for believing things and bad reasons for believing things.
00:16:13.000 And religion almost always only offers bad reasons for believing in it.
00:16:17.000 Well, as soon as you start talking numbers, percentages and stuff, you're just making those numbers up, right?
00:16:22.000 50-50?
00:16:24.000 Where are you coming up with that?
00:16:25.000 How's that a 50-50 shot?
00:16:27.000 Is this Vegas odds?
00:16:28.000 Like, what is this?
00:16:29.000 A lot of religious people believe that. 0.92
00:16:31.000 But it doesn't mean, here's the thing, if people are listening and you're getting fucking pissed, it doesn't mean there's not a higher power. 0.59
00:16:36.000 It doesn't mean there's not an order to this universe. 0.70
00:16:38.000 Well, that's right.
00:16:38.000 It just means that it's super likely that if there is something that's unbelievably powerful and there's some law that keeps the universe together and some force of good that's trying to guide us, there's some beautiful inclinations towards that direction.
00:16:56.000 What I'm saying is, I guarantee you that the people who lived 2,000 years ago who wrote this shit down on leather with, you know, ink that they made out of plants, they didn't have all the data. 0.74
00:17:08.000 They just didn't know. 0.98
00:17:09.000 They just didn't.
00:17:10.000 They didn't have the germ theory of disease.
00:17:12.000 I mean, they didn't even know that the Earth spun around the sun.
00:17:16.000 How are these people, the people who understood the most about the cosmos, more than scientists today?
00:17:22.000 I mean, the reason why they didn't want to eat pork is because they figured out trichinosis. 0.98
00:17:25.000 They're like, oh, listen, if you eat these fucking pigs, man, people are getting sick left and right. 0.99
00:17:28.000 We've got to stop doing that. 1.00
00:17:29.000 As for those things that crawl off on the bottom of the ocean, don't give me any of that shit. 1.00
00:17:33.000 Exactly. 0.99
00:17:33.000 Well, they got hooked up with Red Tide. 0.99
00:17:35.000 They're like, look, people are dying.
00:17:36.000 We've got to stop eating shellfish.
00:17:37.000 And there was a lot of, like, real logic to the reasons why they had laws.
00:17:42.000 It makes sense, but the real issue, again, is the translation.
00:17:48.000 The ancient Hebrew version of the Bible...
00:17:51.000 Ancient Hebrew, the words also double as numbers.
00:17:55.000 Like, do you know that letters are numbers in ancient Hebrew?
00:17:59.000 Yeah, right.
00:18:00.000 Their alphabet, they don't have numbers.
00:18:01.000 So the letter A is also the number one.
00:18:03.000 So words have numerical value, like the word God and the word love.
00:18:07.000 They have the same numerical value.
00:18:09.000 All that was lost in translation when you translated it to Latin, Greek, eventually English. 0.99
00:18:15.000 All that shit was lost. 0.97
00:18:16.000 Like, it's the ancient Hebrew version of it. 0.99
00:18:19.000 Like, have you ever read, like, some really goofy translation of English from Japanese?
00:18:23.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:18:24.000 And you're like, what in the fuck are they saying? 0.98
00:18:26.000 Or have you translated English into a foreign language and then translated it back from that foreign language into English? 0.99
00:18:31.000 It becomes gibberish.
00:18:32.000 Well, one of the things I love about Instagram is it has a translation thing that I use a lot of times.
00:18:38.000 I follow a lot of Russian fighters.
00:18:39.000 There's a lot of Russian MMA fighters, and I follow their pages.
00:18:43.000 And I'll go, okay, let's hit the translate.
00:18:45.000 And I'll hit translate.
00:18:46.000 I'm like, Jesus.
00:18:47.000 Russian seems especially hard for some reason.
00:18:49.000 It's got a lot of weird pronouns and things.
00:18:51.000 They're always saying, this is the best fight.
00:18:55.000 Well, it's also like their language looks different.
00:18:58.000 Yeah, totally.
00:18:59.000 It's all in Cyrillic.
00:19:00.000 Have you heard the claim that the 72 virgins in the Quran are actually 72 raisins?
00:19:07.000 No, but do you know what that expression means?
00:19:09.000 The word is almost the same between raisin and virgin. 0.99
00:19:11.000 No, the expression 72 is like a fuckload. 0.99
00:19:15.000 That's what it means. 0.98
00:19:16.000 It doesn't mean 72 virgins.
00:19:18.000 It means like, there'll be 72!
00:19:21.000 And you're like, wow, that's enough.
00:19:23.000 That's enough.
00:19:23.000 We're good.
00:19:24.000 I would not need more than 72 virgins or raisins to make me happy in the afterlife.
00:19:28.000 It's probably not even the number 72. It's just like our translation from Arabic to English just screws it up and then someone probably came up with this numerical value a long time ago and they stuck with 72. So believe in science, people.
00:19:41.000 So talking about Bill O'Reilly, do you think he should have been fired?
00:19:45.000 I don't know what he did.
00:19:46.000 I don't know what he didn't do.
00:19:47.000 You know, I don't know. 0.99
00:19:48.000 I know he's definitely done some gross shit in the past. 1.00
00:19:50.000 Like, there's the audio of him calling that chick and saying he's gonna take a loofah sponge and wash her pussy. 1.00
00:19:56.000 Yeah, that's right. 1.00
00:19:56.000 I forgot about the loofah. 1.00
00:19:59.000 Big ol' Bill with his loofer in the shower.
00:20:01.000 I don't know, you know, who knows?
00:20:02.000 I would imagine, whenever you hear a story about a guy like that, that some of it is probably fabricated.
00:20:08.000 I just don't imagine that all the people that say things about him are all telling the 100% truth.
00:20:15.000 I would not imagine that would be true, because people are just not that honest.
00:20:19.000 Once it gets beyond a few people, don't you think that the preponderance of evidence is that they're probably...
00:20:24.000 Yeah, I guess you can't say they're all telling the truth.
00:20:26.000 It's hard.
00:20:26.000 But you have to take their word for it.
00:20:27.000 No, you don't.
00:20:28.000 You definitely don't.
00:20:29.000 If there are six, seven, eight people with similar stories...
00:20:32.000 You definitely have to go, hmm.
00:20:34.000 But you don't have to take all their word for it.
00:20:36.000 Because, first of all, you don't know those people.
00:20:38.000 You'd have to know those people...
00:20:40.000 You'd have to really know if they were honest.
00:20:43.000 You'd have to really be there. 0.96
00:20:44.000 To know what really happened is so fucking hard, man. 1.00
00:20:49.000 Because first of all, people, not only are they full of shit, but their memory sucks. 1.00
00:20:54.000 People's memories. 1.00
00:20:55.000 I'm sure you've had a conversation with someone about something that happened that you witnessed as well, and you both have totally different memories of it.
00:21:01.000 Memories are terrible.
00:21:02.000 I've come to accept that, though, for myself over the last few years.
00:21:06.000 I used to cling to memories and then try to argue them.
00:21:10.000 But I think it's been scientifically proven that the human memory is one of the worst pieces of evidence that you could ever call upon.
00:21:19.000 Yeah, the justice system is starting to deprioritize it as well, as it should do, because in the past, eyewitness accounts in courtrooms have been very highly prioritized.
00:21:29.000 They've been very highly valued and prized by prosecutors.
00:21:32.000 Well, I mean, this person points out, do you see that person sitting in the courtroom today, madam?
00:21:37.000 And she points to her finger and, well, it's a slam dunk.
00:21:39.000 Of course, that was the perpetrator.
00:21:41.000 Now we realize our memories are terrible.
00:21:43.000 People are wrong all the time.
00:21:45.000 We're really susceptible to suggestion and influence and all that sort of stuff.
00:21:48.000 But I think you kind of remember whether or not your boss, who's a television star, put his hand up your skirt.
00:21:54.000 Very likely.
00:21:55.000 Probably.
00:21:56.000 Probably. 0.93
00:21:56.000 But there's also someone who could be seriously deceptive and very ambitious and realizes that Bill O'Reilly's kind of a twat, and this is what I'm going to do. 0.93
00:22:06.000 I'm going to get close to this old cunt, and I'm going to get this guy to get creepy with me, and then I'm going to exaggerate what he did, and I'm going to profit off of it. 0.99
00:22:13.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:22:14.000 I mean, you understand that they've paid fucking millions of dollars to people, so there's a real industry in getting Bill O'Reilly to get creepy with you. 0.73
00:22:22.000 Like, if I was a chick, like, especially if I was, like, a really unscrupulous chick, and I didn't like him. 0.97
00:22:28.000 Yeah, he touched my knee, that's half a million, he went up the thigh, that's a million and a half. 0.99
00:22:32.000 This guy's a douchebag. 0.99
00:22:33.000 This is what I'm gonna do. 0.99
00:22:34.000 I'm just gonna, like, kind of give him, like, a semi-green light, you know, just a little bit, take it back, a little I mean, the problem is, though, that this kind of skepticism towards women's stories about sexual assault is what has permitted people like him to get away with it for decades and centuries,
00:22:50.000 right?
00:22:51.000 I don't agree with that.
00:22:51.000 I take your point.
00:22:52.000 How can you know?
00:22:53.000 It's just a he said, she said.
00:22:54.000 I don't think that's what...
00:22:55.000 I think power has allowed them to get away with it.
00:23:00.000 I think fear and power.
00:23:02.000 The fear of this powerful man.
00:23:03.000 I think that has been more of an influence.
00:23:05.000 But isn't the fear of not being believed part of that?
00:23:07.000 Maybe I think the repercussions that he's gonna ruin your career that he's gonna that he has influence and also that if you just play ball You'll get something from it, you know, yeah, I mean I'm not Especially I'm not talking about an individual person and saying this individual person is not telling truth.
00:23:22.000 What I'm doing is just making hypotheticals I'm just saying if I was a chick And I was an unscrupulous sort of social climber, and we all know that they exist.
00:23:33.000 And I was the type of person that really wanted to make it in this business. 1.00
00:23:37.000 And I was like, look, I'm working for an asshole. 0.99
00:23:39.000 And I already know there's five chicks who got paid. 1.00
00:23:42.000 They've already paid out 13 million bucks. 0.99
00:23:44.000 I'm gonna fucking move in on this. 0.96
00:23:46.000 I'm interested that Rupert turned on him, that Rupert Murdoch turned on him and kicked him out, when he's still making a ton of money. 0.97
00:23:53.000 He's still the number one cable show, right?
00:23:55.000 Or he was.
00:23:56.000 Well, maybe Tucker Carlson had a meeting with him.
00:23:58.000 Pulled him aside. 1.00
00:23:59.000 They said, listen, fuck that guy. 1.00
00:24:00.000 The tide comes in and out because of the moon! 1.00
00:24:03.000 Jesus. 1.00
00:24:03.000 Because of fucking gravity! 1.00
00:24:05.000 Come on! 1.00
00:24:06.000 I took this bow tie off!
00:24:07.000 Speaking of someone who will say whatever they think their audience wants them to say, that would be Tucker.
00:24:14.000 That's your guy right there. 1.00
00:24:15.000 That's with his stupid old bow tie. 1.00
00:24:17.000 He doesn't have a bow tie anymore. 1.00
00:24:18.000 No, he got rid of it.
00:24:19.000 It's a straight tie now. 0.99
00:24:20.000 Bow tie's too gay. 1.00
00:24:21.000 Exactly. 0.97
00:24:22.000 He doesn't want to be associated with that.
00:24:24.000 Or clowns, or someone who's got a camera in it.
00:24:27.000 I'm amazed that he's had his renaissance, Tucker.
00:24:30.000 There was that classic Jon Stewart moment when he used to host Crossfire.
00:24:34.000 Chuck Tucker Carlson.
00:24:36.000 And John went on, he was like, you're a grown man wearing a bow tie.
00:24:39.000 Stop hurting America.
00:24:41.000 Well, Jon Stewart was interesting in that regard where he was funny on his show when he was doing a scripted monologue and talking to people.
00:24:48.000 He was gracious. 0.94
00:24:48.000 But if he came on your show and he had an issue with you, you would find out how fucking smart and mean he could really be. 0.94
00:24:55.000 He'd go after you. 0.98
00:24:56.000 Absolutely.
00:24:57.000 Which is good.
00:24:58.000 Because, I mean, Tucker...
00:24:59.000 Yeah.
00:25:00.000 Whatever you think about whether or not Bill O'Reilly believes what he believes, I don't think Tucker knows.
00:25:04.000 Like, Tucker has this constant...
00:25:05.000 He has this...
00:25:07.000 If you're listening to the audio podcast, you can't see my face, but it's kind of furrowed brow and mouth-breathing.
00:25:13.000 He plays the role of the bemused clown who's just, I'm just a common man.
00:25:21.000 I'm just middle America. 0.88
00:25:22.000 I don't understand what you're talking about.
00:25:25.000 And he's very, very...
00:25:27.000 Very ride in the fence.
00:25:28.000 Very kind of ride in the fence.
00:25:30.000 Very never quite having an...
00:25:32.000 I'm just Mr. Common Sense.
00:25:33.000 I'm just saying it like I see it.
00:25:36.000 Anyway.
00:25:37.000 Yeah, I don't know.
00:25:37.000 You know, I would assume that a lot of these women are telling the truth.
00:25:42.000 I'm definitely not saying that they weren't telling the truth.
00:25:45.000 What I'm saying is, I don't know.
00:25:47.000 I don't know what happened or what didn't happen.
00:25:49.000 I don't know whether he should be fired or shouldn't be fired.
00:25:51.000 I mean, he fills a niche, right?
00:25:55.000 And if it's my company and you have to worry about this guy representing you, okay, I see where you wouldn't want that guy representing you because he's problematic and people think he's a creep. 0.99
00:26:06.000 But he could just go do his own shit, like Glenn Beck did, and it would be gigantic. 0.99
00:26:09.000 Well, he will, wouldn't he? 1.00
00:26:10.000 Of course he will.
00:26:11.000 Oh, for sure.
00:26:11.000 He'll do something.
00:26:12.000 He's not going to go away quietly.
00:26:13.000 Why would he?
00:26:14.000 I mean, it's an interesting question about what happens to the right-wing media now, because if Roger Ailes is no longer at Fox News, and Bill O'Reilly is no longer at Fox News...
00:26:23.000 For the same reason.
00:26:24.000 For the same reason, exactly.
00:26:25.000 Both guys.
00:26:26.000 Both guys for the same reason.
00:26:27.000 That's a good point.
00:26:27.000 It pretty much plays into the same narrative, doesn't it?
00:26:29.000 A dirty old white guy... 1.00
00:26:30.000 Just a fuckfest going on over there at Fox News. 1.00
00:26:33.000 Just mayhem. 1.00
00:26:34.000 Just young women. 0.99
00:26:35.000 It's like an old... 0.99
00:26:36.000 It's like an old Porky's movie, or like one of those 1970s National Lampoon films with women with their tits hanging out, running around the dorm. 1.00
00:26:44.000 People are tweeting at Hannity now. 0.99
00:26:45.000 You're next Hannity.
00:26:46.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:26:46.000 They're going after him now.
00:26:47.000 And Breitbart's had its dude Steve Bannon sidelined in the White House.
00:26:52.000 And he's not even getting along with Trump anymore.
00:26:54.000 No.
00:26:54.000 Is that true?
00:26:55.000 I don't know.
00:26:55.000 I'm not friends with him.
00:26:57.000 I love rumors.
00:26:58.000 I don't call him up.
00:26:59.000 Hey! 0.99
00:26:59.000 Hey, Steve. 0.99
00:27:00.000 Hey, Stevie.
00:27:01.000 Hey, Stevie B. How you doing with Donnie these days?
00:27:05.000 You guys still close?
00:27:06.000 Jared is running the show now.
00:27:08.000 That's right.
00:27:08.000 I think he had to make a decision, and he kind of sidelined the white nationalist bit, and he kind of empowered the old-school Republican orthodoxy.
00:27:16.000 Gee, you'd be pissed if you were a Trump voter, wouldn't you? 1.00
00:27:19.000 To have a Jew running shit? 1.00
00:27:23.000 Doesn't help, Joe. 1.00
00:27:24.000 Doesn't help.
00:27:24.000 But, no, I just mean, like, so much of what he sort of ran on was like, it's going to be different.
00:27:29.000 It's not going to be the same old politics.
00:27:30.000 And now, you know, we're going to repeal Obamacare.
00:27:33.000 Well, that didn't work out.
00:27:34.000 Right.
00:27:34.000 It's just going to be tax cut.
00:27:35.000 Now, he bombs Syria. 0.89
00:27:36.000 Well, you weren't supposed to be bombing people. 0.99
00:27:38.000 I thought we were going to get out of all these foreign wars and shit. 0.99
00:27:41.000 They don't care. 0.99
00:27:42.000 There are so many people, they have this cognitive dissonance that they have in addressing his actions.
00:27:49.000 The support of him, they're so happy that they won, they would never want to take away their victory.
00:27:55.000 The people that are happy that Trump is in office are so happy that he won, and they won with him, that any little thing that happens, They just come up with some sort of a way to rationalize or justify it.
00:28:08.000 Some of them do.
00:28:08.000 Some of them do.
00:28:09.000 I saw a story the other day about a county in Pennsylvania or something which had voted for Obama twice and then voted for Trump because they thought they were going to get change.
00:28:18.000 And they're all just like, well, he just seems like a regular Republican.
00:28:20.000 He's going to try to cut taxes for the rich and go to war with foreign countries.
00:28:25.000 This isn't what we bargained for.
00:28:27.000 But it'll be interesting to see whether or not they flip back in four years.
00:28:31.000 Yeah.
00:28:31.000 I take your point that...
00:28:33.000 They're just really happy that Hillary's not the president.
00:28:36.000 There's a lot of people that are really happy she's not the president.
00:28:38.000 I think Bill's the biggest.
00:28:40.000 I think Bill's super happy.
00:28:42.000 He's like, thank God.
00:28:44.000 I didn't want to have to go back in there again.
00:28:46.000 I don't know.
00:28:47.000 There's a lot of tail in that house. 1.00
00:28:50.000 He gets plenty of tail.
00:28:51.000 Yeah, I bet he does.
00:28:52.000 Outside. 1.00
00:28:52.000 Did you see all that shit in the WikiLeaks? 1.00
00:28:56.000 In the WikiLeaks memos, that Colin Powell was talking about him banging hookers on the side. 1.00
00:29:02.000 Yeah, I was like talking about how Bill's at home banging bimbos, and there was something about... 1.00
00:29:07.000 I mean, Colin Powell just fucking puts it in emails. 1.00
00:29:11.000 They talk shit. 1.00
00:29:12.000 They talk shit just like regular people. 1.00
00:29:14.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:29:15.000 Don't put it in an email, people!
00:29:17.000 Have we learned nothing? 0.99
00:29:19.000 Don't send it to fucking anybody who's got an unsecure server. 0.99
00:29:23.000 No! 0.98
00:29:24.000 Well, just don't write it down at all.
00:29:26.000 You can't really talk now, anyway, because you're going to be spied on everywhere. 0.98
00:29:30.000 How are we going to have our private conversations to just pour shit on people, Joe? 0.98
00:29:34.000 Or just let it Fly, just like this. 0.99
00:29:37.000 What we've said here could easily have been in a private email questioning whether or not Bill O'Reilly's intelligent or whether or not he really believes that or whether or not religious people are actually intelligent.
00:29:49.000 Clearly, there's a lot of religious people that are intelligent. 0.96
00:29:52.000 I mean, part of the problem is that people give too much of a crap about things that people have said in the past. 0.93
00:29:57.000 I mean, we've spoken about this before in relation to political correctness or something, or, like, using the wrong language. 0.70
00:30:03.000 I think as more and more of what we say gets intercepted, or at least interceptable in emails and also in phone calls and so on, and we're being spied on all the time, and things can be leaked and things can be hacked, people are just going to have to chill the fuck out a little bit about people's past.
00:30:19.000 Otherwise, we're only going to end up with the most boring, anodyne people in positions of power, because it's only going to be people who've always watched exactly what they say, who have never triggered a tripwire and who have never gotten people angry.
00:30:32.000 Well, in that sense, Trump's the big victory for that.
00:30:34.000 That's right. 0.99
00:30:35.000 What I said after Trump was elected, that political correctness just took a missile to the dick. 0.99
00:30:40.000 Absolutely. 0.99
00:30:41.000 It just shows you. 1.00
00:30:43.000 You could be out there grabbing pussies, talking crap, fucking people. 1.00
00:30:48.000 I mean, it's okay. 1.00
00:30:50.000 The world has changed in that regard.
00:30:54.000 And part of the problem there is that some of the things that he says really are bad.
00:31:00.000 I don't think that it's appropriate to talk about women the way that he talks about women.
00:31:05.000 I don't think it's appropriate to talk about...
00:31:08.000 Yeah, basically.
00:31:10.000 The problem with that is, he's talking to a dude and trying to make him laugh.
00:31:14.000 Yeah.
00:31:15.000 I mean, he's having a private conversation with a guy, and he's doing what he called locker room talk. 0.99
00:31:20.000 But guys talk shit, and they say things they don't really mean. 0.99
00:31:23.000 And what he said was, and I'm not an apologist, just let me get this out of the way. 1.00
00:31:29.000 What he said was, you can just grab them by the pussy, they let you. 1.00
00:31:32.000 You can do anything that you want when you're a big celebrity. 1.00
00:31:35.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:31:36.000 You just grab them by the pussy. 1.00
00:31:37.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:31:37.000 Like, what he's saying is not, I grab women by the pussy and I sexually assault them. 1.00
00:31:42.000 Well, he's just being totally outrageous. 1.00
00:31:45.000 It's like a punchline for a joke.
00:31:47.000 He's exaggerating the reality of the situation.
00:31:50.000 He's saying he's so famous.
00:31:52.000 Maybe.
00:31:52.000 He's saying when you're as famous as me, you can do anything.
00:31:55.000 You can grab him by the pussy. 1.00
00:31:56.000 Which implies that he's trying to. 1.00
00:31:57.000 But he's saying they let you.
00:31:58.000 He's saying they let you.
00:31:59.000 Yeah.
00:31:59.000 Meaning implying consent.
00:32:01.000 Right, I see.
00:32:01.000 He's not talking about sexual assault.
00:32:03.000 So when people are saying, you know, he's doing sexual assault.
00:32:05.000 No. 0.99
00:32:06.000 He's talking about girls that are enthralled with the fact that they're around this guy who has his fucking name on skyscrapers and he flies around with a jet with his name on it. 0.99
00:32:14.000 And if you're that type of woman, and there are that, look, there's that type of men, there's that type of women. 0.98
00:32:20.000 There's not a gross generalization about men or women, but guaranteed there are some women that when they're in the face of a guy like Donald Trump, they react that way and they let him do anything they want and they love it.
00:32:32.000 There is that possibility.
00:32:33.000 There is that possibility.
00:32:34.000 I also thought that the phrasing of that term was kind of funny.
00:32:37.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:32:38.000 They let you grab them, but, like, how do you grab a pussy exactly? 1.00
00:32:41.000 Like, where do your fingers go? 1.00
00:32:43.000 Like, where does the thumb...
00:32:45.000 Who's doing...
00:32:46.000 Like, so I just thought... 0.99
00:32:47.000 What it sounded to me like was someone who is inept sexually, which by many accounts he is. 0.82
00:32:53.000 Like, there are lots of accounts of, like, when he was married to or dating the most beautiful people, he'd be downstairs eating Cheetos, watching late-night cable news while they were upstairs. 0.72
00:33:01.000 Yeah, but how do you believe that or not believe that?
00:33:03.000 I mean...
00:33:03.000 Well, just compare it to whether or not it comports with what else you know about him, which is that he's very image-focused and cares a lot about being thought to be the best at everything and the most glamorous and the richest.
00:33:15.000 So you would imagine that it would be consistent with his personality, that he would want to present a front of being more of a slayer and more of a sexual demon than he actually is. 0.94
00:33:25.000 Sexual demon. 0.98
00:33:26.000 That's a great name for a band. 0.99
00:33:28.000 Sexual demon. 1.00
00:33:30.000 So the grab-em-by-the-pussy, it sort of reminded me a little bit of the way that 15-year-old boys would talk to each other. 1.00
00:33:34.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:33:35.000 Dude, I totally would just grab-em-by-the-pussy, man. 1.00
00:33:37.000 Guys say ridiculous things that they don't mean to get other people to laugh. 1.00
00:33:42.000 I will grant you that. 0.95
00:33:43.000 And I'm sure girls do, too.
00:33:44.000 My point about political correctness is that I don't think Trump is our best ambassador for the anti-political correctness brigade.
00:33:52.000 No.
00:33:53.000 And part of his rise, part of the backlash, is a backlash against the, you know, we've had so many conversations that we all know it by now, we're bored of like...
00:34:03.000 People who absolutely lose their, you know, just go crazy because you use the wrong transgender pronoun or something like that.
00:34:11.000 You know, you say he instead of she or whatever it is.
00:34:13.000 Or microaggressions and stuff like that. 0.99
00:34:17.000 All of that kind of bullshit, I think, gave rise to an environment in which people were so frustrated with political correctness that they unleashed and it was like a pressure cooker exploding and the Trump hair went everywhere. 0.99
00:34:27.000 He's the Kraken. 1.00
00:34:28.000 Yeah.
00:34:29.000 Exactly, but I don't think, you know, things would have been better if we hadn't gotten to that place and we could all just take a chill pill.
00:34:34.000 Well, I think we need to learn, you know, and I think we need to make mistakes so that we can learn.
00:34:39.000 One of the things that's really unfortunate is that he doesn't tell the truth and that he's the president and he shows that you can just not tell the truth and be the president.
00:34:49.000 Yeah.
00:34:49.000 About all kinds of things.
00:34:50.000 Yeah.
00:34:50.000 The alternative facts analogy.
00:34:55.000 I mean, I'm trying to grapple with this on my podcast, because I think what's dangerous about Trump is not just that he doesn't tell the truth, because as lots of people point out, many politicians don't tell the truth.
00:35:09.000 It's that he doesn't even care.
00:35:12.000 That he's not telling the truth.
00:35:13.000 And he doesn't behave as if there is such a thing really as truth.
00:35:18.000 Like the other day, he talked about the warships that were heading for the Korean Peninsula.
00:35:23.000 Did you see this story?
00:35:25.000 He said that we've got this aircraft carrier which is going towards Korea.
00:35:32.000 I think?
00:36:00.000 Poor old Spicy is out there trying to make Trump's statements comport with reality in some way, but Trump is just an explosive-like vomit machine just tweeting out stuff that doesn't even have to map onto reality at all.
00:36:17.000 And he almost seems to take pride, I think, in the fact that he can say, whatever...
00:36:22.000 A million people at the inauguration.
00:36:24.000 When I started talking, the rain stopped.
00:36:26.000 The most people ever.
00:36:27.000 That was pretty good.
00:36:28.000 Are you working on that, Joe?
00:36:29.000 No, I'm not.
00:36:30.000 I like the impression.
00:36:31.000 It needs work.
00:36:32.000 It needs a little work, but everyone's got their Trump.
00:36:34.000 But you know what I mean?
00:36:35.000 He will say things and then almost take...
00:36:39.000 I feel like he gets his jolly...
00:36:41.000 He gets his rocks off...
00:36:43.000 Through the sheer audacity of being able to say whatever the hell he wants and just make his opponents go crazy because they don't even...
00:36:49.000 It's a game of whack-a-mole then, right?
00:36:51.000 It's like...
00:36:52.000 Well, the problem is he's not a politician.
00:36:55.000 So he's acting as a politician for the first time in his life, and he's 70. So for his entire life, he's been this braggadocious guy who has exaggerated facts and built up this amazing persona and exaggerated wealth and obviously very successful, but exaggerates that success.
00:37:10.000 Mm-hmm.
00:37:10.000 So, like, the thing about him winning the inauguration, you remember that really interesting exchange that he had with a reporter?
00:37:16.000 There was a young reporter, and he was up there saying, we won by the largest margin ever.
00:37:20.000 The largest margin in the Electoral College.
00:37:22.000 That's not true.
00:37:24.000 And he said, well, the largest for a Republican.
00:37:28.000 And that's also not true.
00:37:29.000 So he said George H. Bush, or George Herbert Walker Bush, had a much larger margin.
00:37:33.000 And so he explained to him, he goes, well, you will agree that we won by a substantial number.
00:37:37.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:37:38.000 Well, you are the president.
00:37:39.000 Thank you.
00:37:39.000 Like, he was like, good, I won.
00:37:41.000 Tic-tac-toe.
00:37:42.000 Exactly.
00:37:42.000 You know, it's just, he's not a politician, and that's what people like about him.
00:37:47.000 You know, but then he starts doing all these different things, like, you know, he's trying to get all these different plants to reopen and give Americans jobs, and they talk about all the jobs that have been created, and people get excited, and they signed this new thing yesterday, you know, American-made, American sales, and trying to encourage people to buy and make American,
00:38:04.000 and And then trying to get rid of foreigners that are sneaking over here and doing bad things.
00:38:10.000 The base, the people that have been clamoring for that kind of response get very excited.
00:38:15.000 That's true.
00:38:16.000 They go, we'll deal with the lies.
00:38:17.000 The lies are fine.
00:38:18.000 As long as he opens up that Ford plant. 0.93
00:38:20.000 The lies are bad, but look, he got those Guatemalan terrorist drug dealers out of Chicago or whatever. 0.75
00:38:26.000 You know what I mean? 0.99
00:38:26.000 Yeah, and I think that there's a feeling that the whole people who regard themselves as being custodians of the truth are hoity-toity, out-of-touch elites who've been shitting on the honest, hard-working Trump supporter for so long that they deserve to be slapped in their face with a little bit of... 0.99
00:38:42.000 Untruthful truthiness from time to time.
00:38:44.000 You know, the journalists and the judges and the academics.
00:38:47.000 People smarter than you.
00:38:48.000 Yeah.
00:38:49.000 People more educated than you.
00:38:50.000 And they're spitting out facts and it makes you humiliated.
00:38:53.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:38:53.000 You feel dumb. 1.00
00:38:54.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:38:55.000 Like the tide goes in, the tide goes out.
00:38:56.000 Can you explain it?
00:38:57.000 It's kind of the same thing.
00:38:58.000 That's the appeal.
00:38:59.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:39:00.000 Bill got him with that tide thing.
00:39:01.000 Yeah, yeah, that's right.
00:39:02.000 There's nothing you can say about that.
00:39:04.000 The tide dumps go in and go...
00:39:06.000 I mean, people do love when liberals get their comeuppance.
00:39:09.000 And liberals are really classically associated with education, with higher education, bigger vocabularies, universities.
00:39:19.000 It's one of the funny things about Trump, that he's the anti-elitist, as if it is non-elite to be a Manhattan real estate billionaire.
00:39:28.000 How is that the anti-elite candidate?
00:39:30.000 You just have to say it. 0.99
00:39:32.000 Remember when George Bush pretended he was from fucking Texas? 0.99
00:39:35.000 A lot of people don't realize. 1.00
00:39:37.000 He's from Maine.
00:39:37.000 Yeah, he's from the Northeast.
00:39:38.000 He went to Yale.
00:39:40.000 All he did in Texas was clear brush.
00:39:43.000 But he went over there.
00:39:44.000 Did it when people were looking.
00:39:45.000 The camera's rolling.
00:39:46.000 Absolutely.
00:39:49.000 Chainsawing down trees.
00:39:50.000 But it's, you know, it's the American way.
00:39:52.000 You pitch people an image.
00:39:54.000 I mean, it is why they have publicists.
00:39:57.000 I mean, when you say, though, that Trump is, like, he's not a politician and that's what people like about him.
00:40:02.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:40:04.000 The worry is that when you're President of the United States, shit you say has... 0.99
00:40:10.000 Like, an impact. 0.99
00:40:11.000 It is an important position.
00:40:12.000 So things that you say can be misinterpreted by the Koreans or the Russians.
00:40:18.000 And there's a...
00:40:20.000 Like, if you are the president, you should know that people in the executive branch, such as the president, people in the White House, should not disparage people in the judicial branch.
00:40:30.000 Right?
00:40:31.000 Because we have a separation of powers in the United States of America.
00:40:33.000 So when he made those comments, for example, about the judiciary, I think a lot of people think like, oh, why is everyone getting their tits in a tangle just because he implied that the judge was biased in the Trump University case? 0.99
00:40:46.000 It's because presidential candidates shouldn't be shitting on judges. 0.99
00:40:50.000 Right. 0.98
00:40:51.000 Because otherwise you end up with situations like you've got in Venezuela or now in Turkey.
00:40:55.000 They've just had this referendum over the past weekend which gave sort of quasi-dictatorial powers to Turkey's president.
00:41:01.000 Yeah, in the last two months, Venezuela and Turkey have become dictatorships.
00:41:05.000 Essentially.
00:41:06.000 Essentially.
00:41:07.000 And look, Russia has done that over the past 10 or 15 years. 0.65
00:41:10.000 And when you listen to people who are experts in these things, they always say...
00:41:13.000 I was just listening to Marsha Gessen, who's really...
00:41:15.000 Do you know Marsha?
00:41:15.000 She's a Russian journalist who lives in the States now.
00:41:19.000 Fascinating person.
00:41:20.000 She'd be a good person to get on the show.
00:41:22.000 I think?
00:41:37.000 Department, and it's academics.
00:41:38.000 So it's judges, lawyers, academics, and so on.
00:41:42.000 That's always what you see, like the Putins, and again, the sort of Bill O'Reilly mindset of like, tide goes in, tide goes out.
00:41:47.000 Hey, I'm just a regular guy.
00:41:49.000 I've got my gut going for me.
00:41:50.000 I don't need all these fancy book learning.
00:41:52.000 It's just you and me.
00:41:53.000 Let's go to Washington, D.C., and take it back from those fancy elites.
00:41:57.000 We're going to make America great again.
00:41:58.000 Make America great, right? 0.97
00:41:59.000 And we're going to do it just without balls. 1.00
00:42:01.000 We're going to grab them by the pussy, and we're going to drag this country into the 21st century. 1.00
00:42:05.000 Come what may... 1.00
00:42:05.000 Dude, you should run for office. 1.00
00:42:06.000 You can't. 0.99
00:42:08.000 Goddammit, you're from another country. 1.00
00:42:09.000 That's a stupid rule. 1.00
00:42:10.000 It is. 1.00
00:42:11.000 America.
00:42:12.000 Most countries don't have that natural-born rule.
00:42:14.000 Most countries, if you move to that country and you become a citizen, and you live there for a certain period of time, sure, you can run for the highest office.
00:42:21.000 Are you upset because you want to run for office?
00:42:22.000 I'm a little.
00:42:23.000 Would you run for office if it was available?
00:42:25.000 I think I can run for office.
00:42:27.000 I think I can't run for president.
00:42:28.000 Right.
00:42:28.000 Obviously, Arnold Schwarzenegger was governor of California.
00:42:30.000 That's correct.
00:42:31.000 Exactly.
00:42:31.000 So I hereby announce my candidacy for the governorship of California, Joe Rogan!
00:42:36.000 But you don't even live here, dude.
00:42:37.000 I do now.
00:42:38.000 When did you move?
00:42:39.000 I've kind of oozed between New York and Los Angeles over the course of the past four months.
00:42:43.000 Yeah, but you're an elite bi-coastal guy.
00:42:46.000 There's no way we're going to accept you.
00:42:47.000 You're an elite bi-coastal guy and from another country. 0.92
00:42:50.000 Look, if I was Al-Qaeda, I would say the way to get somebody to slip them in is not to get some brown guy who looks like an Arab. 0.98
00:42:56.000 Get an Aussie. 1.00
00:42:57.000 It's to get some handsome Aussie.
00:42:58.000 No one's going to think that an Aussie. 0.99
00:43:00.000 Especially a gay one who's married. 0.96
00:43:02.000 Exactly, that's right. 0.97
00:43:03.000 A married gay guy? 0.70
00:43:03.000 I'm having twins, Joe. 0.70
00:43:05.000 Oh my goodness, how are you doing that?
00:43:06.000 With my husband.
00:43:07.000 How does that work?
00:43:08.000 It's very complicated.
00:43:10.000 Do you have somebody that carries them for you?
00:43:12.000 Does she live with you?
00:43:13.000 No.
00:43:14.000 Oh, that's weird.
00:43:14.000 Yeah.
00:43:15.000 Make sure she eats right?
00:43:16.000 Yeah, we're trying.
00:43:18.000 Do you guys mix your jizz?
00:43:18.000 I don't want to be a controlling...
00:43:21.000 Whose jizz did you choose? 0.84
00:43:22.000 We used my jizz because we used... 0.92
00:43:25.000 Because you're the boss.
00:43:26.000 Because I'm the boss, exactly.
00:43:28.000 Are you the dad?
00:43:29.000 Oh, we haven't figured that out yet.
00:43:30.000 You're both a dad?
00:43:31.000 I didn't say we had twins yet.
00:43:32.000 They're in the oven.
00:43:33.000 I have a couple that lives down the street from me. 0.71
00:43:35.000 They're a gay couple.
00:43:36.000 And I've known them for probably about 15 years.
00:43:39.000 And they have a child and I watched this kid grow.
00:43:41.000 They went through the whole thing.
00:43:42.000 And they went through the whole thing.
00:43:43.000 Their kid's friends with my kid and has been since it was a baby.
00:43:47.000 And he's about seven or eight now.
00:43:50.000 And they went through the whole thing, where they had a surrogate, the whole deal, and then at the end of it, she's like, I'm keeping this.
00:43:58.000 Oh, wow.
00:43:59.000 Yeah, they paid for the kid.
00:44:00.000 And that was kosher?
00:44:02.000 She won.
00:44:03.000 I mean, she got it.
00:44:04.000 She is.
00:44:05.000 Was that in California, do you know?
00:44:06.000 Yes.
00:44:07.000 That's unusual, because California is usually...
00:44:09.000 Our surrogate's not in California, but it tends to have pretty good pro-family surrogacy laws, by which I mean it makes it hard for the surrogate to change her mind at the end.
00:44:20.000 Yeah, well, they did it in 2000. It was, like, early 2000s.
00:44:24.000 Oh, yeah, that might have changed this then. 0.95
00:44:26.000 Do you know bloody Australia? 0.98
00:44:28.000 I mean, let me whine for a moment about how backward Australia is. 0.98
00:44:31.000 10 or 15 years ago, when I first started coming to the States, I was able to look down my progressive nose at these fine United States of America and think of it as being a more conservative, centre-right country.
00:44:42.000 But now you guys are legalising pot all over the joint.
00:44:45.000 You've got the gay marriage. 0.98
00:44:46.000 Australia still doesn't.
00:44:47.000 Like, a lot of...
00:44:48.000 I feel like...
00:44:51.000 We're good to go. 0.99
00:45:19.000 From the Christian right, they say, you know, we shouldn't let these fags, you know, be using women to, I don't know, to create life. 1.00
00:45:27.000 Right. 1.00
00:45:28.000 God forbid.
00:45:28.000 And from the feminists, it's, oh, we have to protect women from being manipulated and taking money for renting their wombs out.
00:45:38.000 But you want them to have the right to kill an unborn baby, which I'm also all for. 1.00
00:45:44.000 No, no, no. 0.82
00:45:44.000 It's not that. 0.82
00:45:45.000 It's abortion. 1.00
00:45:46.000 It's a medical procedure.
00:45:47.000 It's not killing a baby.
00:45:48.000 Right.
00:45:49.000 It's a bundle of cells until it comes out.
00:45:51.000 Just a bunch of cells.
00:45:52.000 Until then all of a sudden.
00:45:53.000 Until it gets a social security number.
00:45:54.000 It's not real. 0.97
00:45:55.000 So you want a woman to be able to kill that bunch of cells, but you don't want her to be able to bring that bunch of cells into existence and get paid for it. 1.00
00:46:02.000 In Australia, you can't- it's against the law to pay a surrogate to carry your child.
00:46:07.000 It has to be a favour.
00:46:09.000 But prostitution's legal. 1.00
00:46:11.000 Yes.
00:46:11.000 So you guys are right in that regard.
00:46:13.000 We are bizarre.
00:46:13.000 We are just confused.
00:46:14.000 We're a confused nation.
00:46:15.000 Lost on the wrong side of the planet.
00:46:17.000 Well, you're a tiny land, you know?
00:46:19.000 It's a giant chunk of ground as big as the United States, but a tiny group of people that's smaller than Los Angeles.
00:46:26.000 That's right.
00:46:27.000 We're the same population as, well, a bit bigger than greater Los Angeles.
00:46:30.000 You're not counting Mexicans. 1.00
00:46:32.000 They don't know how many Mexicans are over here. 0.94
00:46:35.000 They just don't.
00:46:36.000 They do a census.
00:46:39.000 Anyway, most people say Greater LA is 18 or 19 million, Australia is 24, but who's counting?
00:46:46.000 Listen, Greater LA is connected to Orange County, is connected to the Inland Empire.
00:46:52.000 It's not like it stops.
00:46:54.000 Stop shouting, Joe!
00:46:56.000 I'm with you, okay?
00:46:57.000 We agree about the largeness of Los Angeles.
00:47:01.000 Your country is not as big as ours, I'm just saying. 0.99
00:47:03.000 But it's the same size, that's what's fucked. 0.95
00:47:05.000 Same size, yeah, if you exclude Alaska, then it's the same size as the United States. 0.97
00:47:10.000 The contiguous United States, right?
00:47:11.000 The contiguous United States, exactly.
00:47:13.000 And it's got basically half the population of California.
00:47:16.000 Yeah, you have a tiny little spot.
00:47:18.000 I know.
00:47:18.000 In terms of human beings.
00:47:20.000 Well, you want to talk tiny?
00:47:21.000 Have you been to New Zealand yet?
00:47:23.000 No, I heard it's awesome, though.
00:47:24.000 It's great.
00:47:25.000 I want to go.
00:47:25.000 That is a small place.
00:47:28.000 God, it's gorgeous, though, too.
00:47:29.000 It's beautiful.
00:47:29.000 I'm half New Zealand.
00:47:30.000 Are you?
00:47:31.000 Yeah.
00:47:31.000 How do you know?
00:47:32.000 Like, aren't they the same shit? 1.00
00:47:34.000 Yes, basically. 1.00
00:47:35.000 It's like being half Canadian. 0.86
00:47:37.000 California's saying they're from Nevada.
00:47:38.000 Like, do you even know?
00:47:40.000 Well, it is a different country.
00:47:41.000 It's like Canada. 0.62
00:47:42.000 It's our Canada.
00:47:43.000 It's another island, right?
00:47:44.000 It's another island.
00:47:44.000 It's two islands.
00:47:45.000 Yep, gotta fly over there.
00:47:47.000 Or row.
00:47:48.000 Can you row?
00:47:48.000 1200 miles.
00:47:49.000 Can you row 1200 miles? 1.00
00:47:50.000 Fuck yeah, Polynesians can. 1.00
00:47:52.000 That's true, they can. 1.00
00:47:53.000 And did.
00:47:53.000 They did.
00:47:54.000 That's how they got to Hawaii.
00:47:55.000 Tonga used to control basically all of the South Pacific. 0.99
00:47:59.000 They were absolutely badasses. 1.00
00:48:01.000 See the size of those fucking people? 1.00
00:48:03.000 Yeah, they're big. 1.00
00:48:03.000 They're giant. 1.00
00:48:04.000 They have giant bones.
00:48:05.000 How do they fit in the canoe?
00:48:06.000 They build big canoes, bro.
00:48:08.000 Very big canoes.
00:48:09.000 Measure a canoe full of Tongans.
00:48:11.000 You can find a big tree.
00:48:13.000 350 pound Tongans.
00:48:15.000 They're big humans.
00:48:16.000 They were probably really big back then, too.
00:48:18.000 Even when people weren't as big, they were probably bigger.
00:48:21.000 I think they've always been bigger.
00:48:23.000 Although Americans are giving them a run for their money right now.
00:48:25.000 I understand Aussies. 0.84
00:48:26.000 They're starting to get fat.
00:48:27.000 Well, it's food.
00:48:28.000 The high protein count.
00:48:30.000 I mean, you've seen it in Japan as well.
00:48:31.000 You know, people are just larger.
00:48:33.000 You know, they're eating more food and...
00:48:35.000 And we're eating more sugar.
00:48:36.000 That too.
00:48:37.000 Well, there's also the...
00:48:38.000 I had Gary Taubes on who wrote that book, The Case Against Sugar.
00:48:42.000 And one of the things that he was saying that was really kind of interesting is that when you feed people a higher sugar diet, the higher insulin count is actually making larger people.
00:48:51.000 So he's talking about his kids.
00:48:52.000 And then, like, he almost, like, wants to feed his kids more sugar to make, you know, bigger athletes.
00:48:58.000 And I'm like, that's crazy!
00:48:59.000 So bigger, not in terms of having more body fat?
00:49:01.000 Larger.
00:49:02.000 Larger humans.
00:49:02.000 Larger.
00:49:03.000 Larger humans.
00:49:04.000 Like taller as well?
00:49:05.000 Bigger.
00:49:05.000 Yeah.
00:49:06.000 Just bigger people.
00:49:07.000 Yeah.
00:49:08.000 There's some evidence that points to the high sugar diet as well as the high protein diet are contributing factors to people being larger.
00:49:15.000 Could I just eat a lot of donuts?
00:49:18.000 Not now.
00:49:18.000 Not now.
00:49:18.000 Not anymore.
00:49:19.000 Too late.
00:49:19.000 I've missed the boat.
00:49:20.000 How old would I have had to be when I went on my donut binge?
00:49:22.000 You'd have to be like a little kid.
00:49:23.000 I think you have to be like a little kid.
00:49:24.000 Okay, well I'm about to have a couple of twins. 1.00
00:49:26.000 Get those little fuckers sugar. 1.00
00:49:27.000 Stuff their faces full of chocolate. 1.00
00:49:29.000 Best news they've heard all day.
00:49:30.000 You just gotta get like to the wall of diabetes and pull back.
00:49:35.000 Oh, this would be great.
00:49:36.000 By the way, I just want to get real clear. 0.98
00:49:38.000 I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. 0.99
00:49:40.000 So don't go feeding your kids donuts. 0.99
00:49:42.000 And I don't even remember exactly what Gary Tubbs said.
00:49:45.000 Jamie's pulling something up.
00:49:46.000 This is the liability of being Joe Rogan.
00:49:47.000 Remember this story the other day?
00:49:48.000 I showed you this.
00:49:48.000 This was after the show.
00:49:49.000 Red Skittles spilling onto Wisconsin Highway.
00:49:52.000 We're headed for cattle feed.
00:49:53.000 Oh yeah, they do do that.
00:49:54.000 They give it to cows.
00:49:55.000 Feed them candy? 0.94
00:49:56.000 Yeah, that's just to fatten them up though.
00:49:57.000 Yeah, they do do that.
00:49:59.000 They feed cows candy to make them fatter.
00:50:02.000 They also feed them antibiotics just to make them bigger, just to make them grow faster.
00:50:07.000 Well, actually, the reason why they feed them antibiotics is their bodies reject the grain.
00:50:11.000 They feed them corn and things like that, and they develop abscesses in their bodies and infections.
00:50:16.000 It's twofold, apparently.
00:50:17.000 It's for that reason, and also it just has this byproduct that it makes them grow faster.
00:50:22.000 Antibiotics?
00:50:23.000 Antibiotics, yeah.
00:50:23.000 How weird.
00:50:24.000 Yeah, it's bizarre.
00:50:26.000 I don't try to take those things anymore.
00:50:28.000 No.
00:50:28.000 Unless I really need them.
00:50:30.000 Surgery.
00:50:30.000 When you get surgery, you should take them.
00:50:31.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:50:32.000 But you should be real careful about taking them for little colds.
00:50:35.000 Yeah.
00:50:35.000 I'm just going to take a Z-Pak.
00:50:37.000 You're going to make a super virus, you fuck. 1.00
00:50:39.000 That's right. 1.00
00:50:39.000 And if you do, then make sure you take probiotics and shit. 1.00
00:50:42.000 Eat a lot of kimchi and sauerkraut and all that stuff. 1.00
00:50:44.000 There you go, buddy.
00:50:45.000 Yeah.
00:50:45.000 I know.
00:50:46.000 I've been listening to Joe Rogan.
00:50:47.000 You know what's up.
00:50:47.000 I don't know where I got that information from.
00:50:49.000 Rhonda Patrick.
00:50:50.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:50:50.000 That's right.
00:50:51.000 She's good value, isn't she?
00:50:53.000 She's a genius.
00:50:53.000 Yeah.
00:50:55.000 She's making a person.
00:50:56.000 I wonder if she's going to feed it sugar. 0.99
00:50:58.000 How far along is her person?
00:51:00.000 She's like her third trimester.
00:51:01.000 Okay. 1.00
00:51:01.000 I needed to learn all that shit. 1.00
00:51:03.000 I'm not good with the numbers of human physiology. 0.99
00:51:06.000 I didn't know what a trimester was.
00:51:07.000 It's difficult.
00:51:08.000 You're a guy.
00:51:09.000 You don't have a womb. 0.56
00:51:11.000 I don't have cycles.
00:51:12.000 I don't have the cycles of the menstruation and the moon and the tide comes in and the tide goes out and the blood comes in and the blood comes out.
00:51:18.000 It's impossible to explain.
00:51:19.000 The sperm comes in, the baby comes out.
00:51:20.000 The sweet baby Jesus is the only explanation, Joe.
00:51:23.000 So explain to me what the law is right now in Australia.
00:51:26.000 Like, can you hire a surrogate, or is it being pushed back?
00:51:29.000 Well, it's a state-by-state thing, because Australia is also a federation like the United States, which used to be a bunch of separate colonies.
00:51:34.000 So it used to be a bunch of, you know, penal colonies that Britain...
00:51:37.000 Basically, after the American Revolution, Britain had nowhere to send its criminals, and it was a very, very tough law and order state in the 1700s in the UK. Like, if you...
00:51:48.000 It was three strikes and you're out.
00:51:49.000 That wasn't even the start of it.
00:51:51.000 And there was incredible inequality. 0.84
00:51:52.000 There was no welfare, obviously, and no food stamps and shit like that. 0.98
00:51:55.000 So people who were starving would steal a loaf of bread. 0.97
00:51:59.000 And you do that twice, and they'd be like, all right, we're going to send you to the moon, which is essentially Australia, right?
00:52:05.000 So they went and found...
00:52:06.000 They discovered this great southern land that had been rumoured about and had been kind of sketched on the edges by some of the explorers from the Netherlands and from France so far.
00:52:15.000 And they sent out Captain Cook.
00:52:17.000 To settle it, basically so they would have a place for British criminals to, I mean, a huge, vast, sunburnt land for criminals to roam free in, now that they could no longer use the United States, any of those colonies.
00:52:30.000 Meanwhile, it's one of the most beautiful places in the world, and some of the nicest people in the world live there. 1.00
00:52:35.000 Like, they fucked up. 0.99
00:52:35.000 They made a better place than England. 0.99
00:52:37.000 They sent the criminals over there, and the criminals were like, you know what? 1.00
00:52:40.000 Our problem was, we were living in fucking England. 0.99
00:52:42.000 It's true. 0.99
00:52:42.000 It's never sunny. 0.99
00:52:44.000 People are cunts. 0.98
00:52:45.000 The bars are a thousand years old. 0.99
00:52:46.000 Like, Jesus Christ, I feel so good.
00:52:48.000 I'm not going to be a criminal anymore.
00:52:50.000 I'm going to be a good guy.
00:52:50.000 I'm going to go surfing.
00:52:51.000 Oh, please, Judge, don't send me to the other side of the world to a tropical paradise when I could be living here in London where it's dirty and disease-ridden and it's rainy and drizzly and grey all the time.
00:53:01.000 But isn't it interesting how there's a balance to everything? 0.99
00:53:04.000 Because when you go to Australia, everything can fucking kill you. 0.99
00:53:06.000 Yeah, that's true. 0.99
00:53:08.000 That's part of the problem. 0.99
00:53:08.000 There's goddamn box jellyfish and there's brown spiders and brown snakes and all these different things that can fuck you up. 0.99
00:53:15.000 But you don't feel afraid of that when you're in Australia, do you? 1.00
00:53:18.000 You get over that in 24 hours.
00:53:20.000 No, not me. 1.00
00:53:20.000 I'm a pussy. 1.00
00:53:21.000 I'm terrified of bugs and snakes and shit. 1.00
00:53:24.000 Because, I mean, you do realize statistically that you're much more likely to be killed on the freeway here in L.A. or by someone shooting you in the States than you are by a spider bite in Sydney. 0.99
00:53:33.000 Unless you go near the spiders and the snakes.
00:53:36.000 Which is what I would do.
00:53:38.000 I mean, the problem with me is- Yeah, don't approach them.
00:53:40.000 Well, I have a buddy of mine, my friend Adam Greentree, who's a big bow hunter in Australia.
00:53:43.000 Yep.
00:53:43.000 So he's trying to get me to go hang out with him.
00:53:45.000 And I'm always like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll do that. 0.99
00:53:47.000 And then they send me a picture of some fucking spider, a vicious poisonous spider eating a vicious poisonous snake. 0.99
00:53:54.000 You know, what? 1.00
00:53:54.000 Where the fuck do you live, man? 1.00
00:53:56.000 This is insane. 1.00
00:53:58.000 Crocodiles everywhere.
00:53:59.000 They went hunting and they didn't bring any water and they just figured they would find water and they use water purification systems and clean it out.
00:54:06.000 So they're drinking buffalo piss water because these water buffaloes, they piss in this water and then you have these filter pumps and you pump out all the toxins, but it still tastes like piss because you're essentially drinking purified piss.
00:54:18.000 Yeah.
00:54:18.000 And they were cooling off in this water, and they didn't realize that there was crocodiles in the area.
00:54:25.000 So they easily could have got jacked by a crocodile.
00:54:27.000 Because crocodiles slide into that water, and they just sit and wait.
00:54:30.000 But it's one of those things that you just learn about as a kid.
00:54:33.000 It's like when you talk to Canadians about the risk of bears, and they just sort of laugh it off.
00:54:38.000 Or like people from Finland about falling through the ice on a frozen lake.
00:54:42.000 These are just things that you learn about when you're a kid, and you just take it for granted.
00:54:46.000 I know where there will be crocodiles.
00:54:48.000 99% of the time.
00:54:49.000 Don't go.
00:54:50.000 And I don't go to those places.
00:54:51.000 Or bring a rifle.
00:54:52.000 Well, sure.
00:54:53.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:54:54.000 Get ready.
00:54:55.000 Barmer.
00:54:56.000 Yeah, well, be with a group of people.
00:54:58.000 I mean, in terms of how good it was for convicts, I mean, people came out to Australia, you know, Brits came out to Australia, even if they weren't criminals, just because they wanted a new...
00:55:10.000 Like a new adventure.
00:55:12.000 And some of the states of Australia actually were free settler colonies, like South Australia, which is one of the states, was never a penal colony.
00:55:20.000 And in fact, when Australia became a country in 1901, in the constitutional conventions in the 1890s, which created a country out of all of these previously separate colonies, New Zealand was in negotiations to be part of that country as well.
00:55:34.000 And Western Australia, which is the western half of the continent, was going to be a separate country.
00:55:37.000 And the eastern half, the eastern states of Australia and New Zealand could have been a single country.
00:55:43.000 And then at the last minute, New Zealand jumped out and Western Australia jumped in.
00:55:46.000 Interesting.
00:55:47.000 And now you've got two different countries.
00:55:49.000 But anyway, this massive huntsman spider in Australia is what...
00:55:52.000 Yeah, but huntsmans aren't...
00:55:53.000 They don't hurt you. 0.99
00:55:54.000 Who gives a fuck? 1.00
00:55:55.000 Kill them. 1.00
00:55:56.000 You get those spiders... 1.00
00:55:59.000 You've got those spiders inside even in Sydney, but they're not harmful. 0.99
00:56:03.000 That's the size of a goddamn giant crab. 0.99
00:56:05.000 That's huge. 0.99
00:56:05.000 It's on a broom, so you can tell it. 0.99
00:56:07.000 It's big enough to scare the fuck out of you. 0.99
00:56:09.000 If it was in your underwear, you'd die. 0.99
00:56:11.000 Yeah.
00:56:13.000 You know, New Zealand is a place that's really fascinating because they brought over all these wild game animals from other countries to turn into a sportsman's paradise.
00:56:23.000 I think they did in the 1700s or the 1800s.
00:56:27.000 Would have been the 1800s, because I think it was only settled by white people in the 1700s.
00:56:31.000 Yeah, and now they've run rampant around the island because there's no predators.
00:56:35.000 So they have these, you know, hordes of red stags from Europe that are wandering around New Zealand. 1.00
00:56:41.000 They're huge.
00:56:41.000 And I think we spoke last time about the attempt that New Zealand is doing to basically eradicate all of its predators, all of its invasive predators that have come from abroad.
00:56:50.000 Like, New Zealand, because it was the last country to be settled by white people... 0.91
00:57:00.000 Feral cats, too, are a huge issue.
00:57:09.000 We do in Australia.
00:57:10.000 They have the same issue.
00:57:11.000 You have the same issue in Australia.
00:57:13.000 Totally.
00:57:13.000 Totally.
00:57:14.000 But in Australia, it's too far gone.
00:57:15.000 There's no way that you would be able to actually eradicate them.
00:57:17.000 Whereas in New Zealand, it is a New Zealander's patriotic duty to murder as many little mammals as they can. 0.95
00:57:25.000 Because those little mammals eat the native birds and eat all the native wildlife and stuff. 0.99
00:57:29.000 So New Zealanders, like my cousins over there, they set traps out in their yard. 1.00
00:57:33.000 Every morning they go down with bloodied hands pulling up the carcasses of animals that they've killed.
00:57:38.000 And they're like, oh yeah, good job.
00:57:40.000 Good for you.
00:57:41.000 Well, Australian bowhunting magazines show people holding cats up, like domestic cats.
00:57:48.000 They hold them and they got like an arrow through the heart.
00:57:50.000 And there was a guy recently who got attacked on Instagram because he's an Australian bowhunter and he was out bowhunting and he killed this cat.
00:57:58.000 And all these people were freaking out. 1.00
00:57:59.000 That was somebody's pet, you piece of shit! 1.00
00:58:01.000 And they're like... 1.00
00:58:02.000 Actually, you don't understand.
00:58:04.000 They're ruining the native wildlife.
00:58:06.000 They're devastating ground-nesting birds, all these different animals that live in the ground.
00:58:09.000 The animals that have never had a predator like that in their midst are just getting destroyed.
00:58:13.000 They're a menace, those cats.
00:58:15.000 They get out.
00:58:16.000 It's pretty crazy.
00:58:16.000 Yeah, it's hopeless.
00:58:18.000 On the question of...
00:58:20.000 Isn't that beautiful?
00:58:21.000 Nice joke, Rick.
00:58:22.000 Nose blow right there.
00:58:23.000 Have you got a cold or are you just allergic to someone?
00:58:25.000 I'm fighting one off.
00:58:27.000 Don't take antibiotics.
00:58:28.000 Eat your kimchi. 1.00
00:58:29.000 I'm almost out of it.
00:58:30.000 But I worked out today pretty hard. 0.99
00:58:32.000 Because I'm fucking crazy, bro. 0.99
00:58:34.000 What'd you do? 1.00
00:58:35.000 Just lifting weights.
00:58:36.000 Yeah.
00:58:36.000 Some kettlebells.
00:58:37.000 You know how I do.
00:58:41.000 What was I going to say about Australian animals, too?
00:58:43.000 I forget.
00:58:45.000 It's amazing that there is this imbalance.
00:58:49.000 Oh, that's what it was.
00:58:51.000 Your Tasmanian tiger, which was an animal that was extinct, apparently there's a bunch of sightings of this thing, and they're pretty sure that it might actually still be alive.
00:59:00.000 I've read that.
00:59:01.000 I hope so.
00:59:02.000 There's this really depressing footage, you can see it online, of the last ever Tasmanian tiger in a zoo, just pacing back and forth and back and forth.
00:59:11.000 They wiped it out completely.
00:59:13.000 1930s, right?
00:59:13.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:59:14.000 Black and white footage.
00:59:15.000 Yeah, really early.
00:59:15.000 I mean, they basically destroyed everything in Tasmania.
00:59:18.000 They wiped out the native Aborigines, they wiped out the people, and they wiped out... 0.99
00:59:21.000 I mean, it was like, you know...
00:59:23.000 Here we are, the British Empire! 1.00
00:59:25.000 Let's make things better by killing everything! 0.99
00:59:27.000 Isn't it interesting that you guys changed the British accent just a little? 1.00
00:59:31.000 Whereas, like, most Americans can't tell where the fuck you're from. 0.99
00:59:34.000 How do you not tell? 0.99
00:59:36.000 Honestly, it's really...
00:59:37.000 It sounds the same, though.
00:59:38.000 It's obvious.
00:59:39.000 You're not from here.
00:59:40.000 You only had to spend half a...
00:59:41.000 You're not from here.
00:59:42.000 I can tell the difference between Canadian and American.
00:59:45.000 Oh, that's easy.
00:59:46.000 It's only easy because you're American.
00:59:48.000 As soon as you hear a boat.
00:59:49.000 Exactly.
00:59:49.000 And they're nicer.
00:59:50.000 I mean, actually, that is less different than the difference between British and Australian, considerably.
00:59:55.000 Can you tell the difference between an Arizona accent and a California accent?
01:00:01.000 I don't know.
01:00:03.000 Neither one have one.
01:00:04.000 It was a trick question.
01:00:07.000 Come on with an Arizona accent. 1.00
01:00:08.000 What the fuck is an Arizona accent? 0.99
01:00:10.000 Yeah, no, the only American accents that I can easily pick, apart from the big city ones, because you can tell Boston, you can tell New York, you can, uh, that's basically about it. 0.99
01:00:18.000 The South.
01:00:19.000 Yeah, the South.
01:00:20.000 Obviously, there's that Midwestern thing where, like, Minnesota and Wisconsin have that awe, that kind of awe.
01:00:27.000 Fargo.
01:00:27.000 That sort of Fargo accent.
01:00:30.000 And then you've got, yeah, that West Coast thing.
01:00:32.000 But that Fargo thing is similar to Canadian as well.
01:00:35.000 It gets a little bit confusing sometimes when you're a foreigner like myself.
01:00:39.000 Friendly people that live in the cold.
01:00:41.000 That's right.
01:00:42.000 Yes.
01:00:43.000 They have to be, like, helping each other out, sense of community.
01:00:46.000 Canadians are sort of like Aussies. 1.00
01:00:48.000 You know, they were also big landmass, not very many people, mostly inhospitable.
01:00:53.000 Most of them are huddled along one stretch of land.
01:00:56.000 In Canada, it's the border, and in Australia, it's the coastline.
01:01:00.000 Yeah, I think they have less people than California as well.
01:01:03.000 Yeah, they have about the same, I think they have a bit more than Australia.
01:01:06.000 I think they're in the 30s.
01:01:06.000 They're like 30 million or something.
01:01:07.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:01:09.000 I'd move there.
01:01:10.000 Those are the two places I'd move, by the way. 0.99
01:01:11.000 If I didn't live in America, like if some shit hit the fan here. 0.99
01:01:14.000 If? 0.99
01:01:15.000 California, if California slid into the ocean in a big earthquake or something, I would either live in Canada or Australia.
01:01:21.000 Those are the two spots.
01:01:22.000 Canada's cold, Joe.
01:01:23.000 Are you aware of that?
01:01:24.000 It's very cold up there.
01:01:25.000 Not Vancouver.
01:01:27.000 No, but it's rainy and cloudy and grey.
01:01:29.000 It's beautiful.
01:01:29.000 It's green.
01:01:30.000 On the three days a year when it's sunny, it's beautiful. 0.99
01:01:34.000 People are cool as fuck. 0.99
01:01:35.000 362 days a year? 1.00
01:01:37.000 Horrible. 1.00
01:01:38.000 Don't be a pussy. 1.00
01:01:39.000 Drizzly. 1.00
01:01:40.000 So what?
01:01:41.000 Stay inside.
01:01:41.000 Don't you have a roof?
01:01:42.000 Gets me down!
01:01:43.000 Gets me down, Mr. Rhodes.
01:01:44.000 And I tell you, when it is...
01:01:49.000 There's something...
01:01:50.000 I guess I get seasonal affective disorder because my sister-in-law is from Finland and when I go to Finland and it's grey and dark, I don't feel good.
01:02:01.000 You get sad.
01:02:02.000 I get sad.
01:02:04.000 I get sad, and actually, I don't mind the cold cold.
01:02:07.000 I don't mind the really frigid freezing cold.
01:02:09.000 I lived in New York for 10-ish years, depending on how you count it, and the winters out there, when it's crisp and bright and blue sky, I mean, you grew up in the Northeast, you know what that's like.
01:02:18.000 When it's a nice day, I don't actually care if it's only 5 degrees Fahrenheit, if it's, like, sunny.
01:02:24.000 Right, but that's the thing.
01:02:25.000 I don't like gloom.
01:02:26.000 New York, and Boston in particular, it gets really gloomy in the winter.
01:02:29.000 I definitely think that affects people.
01:02:31.000 It definitely used to affect me.
01:02:33.000 But it's not as bad. 0.78
01:02:36.000 Like, Colorado gets super fucking cold, but it's really sunny. 1.00
01:02:40.000 And Colorado doesn't have any of that shit. 1.00
01:02:42.000 I agree with you. 1.00
01:02:44.000 It's not necessarily the cold as much as it is the lack of sun.
01:02:48.000 We need clear skies.
01:02:49.000 That's right.
01:02:49.000 It makes us feel better.
01:02:50.000 Yeah, that's what I don't like about London and Amsterdam and cities like that as well.
01:02:54.000 Seattle.
01:02:54.000 I'm going to Portland tomorrow.
01:02:56.000 Holla! 1.00
01:02:57.000 Two shows.
01:02:57.000 Oh, great!
01:02:59.000 Nice city, but again. 1.00
01:03:01.000 Fuck you, Portland's awesome. 1.00
01:03:03.000 How many days of the year does it rain? 1.00
01:03:05.000 289 days of sunshine in Vancouver. 1.00
01:03:07.000 Well, that's a piece of bullshit. 0.99
01:03:08.000 Jamie, what are you looking up here? 1.00
01:03:10.000 It does say currentresults.com.
01:03:11.000 It does say there's 166 days with measurable precipitation, so that doesn't add up.
01:03:16.000 No, it does, because it rains part of the day.
01:03:19.000 But hang on, 289 days of sunshine, that just might mean that at some point during the day there was a glimmer of sun.
01:03:25.000 That's all I need, bro.
01:03:30.000 I'm good.
01:03:31.000 I know we're still on a planet.
01:03:32.000 I know there's still a star above us.
01:03:34.000 I'm good.
01:03:35.000 Have you seen about the election?
01:03:38.000 There are quite a few stories coming out of Europe this week.
01:03:41.000 I did my podcast today about the British Prime Minister just called a snap election.
01:03:48.000 Yeah, I saw that.
01:03:48.000 To try to reaffirm her mandate for Brexit.
01:03:51.000 And the French are going to the polls next week for the first round of the presidential election, which could see the far-right leader, Marine Le Pen, win in France.
01:04:01.000 And if she does, she wants to crash out of the euro currency, do Frexit instead of Brexit. 0.90
01:04:07.000 And if France leaves the EU, then that actually is all over.
01:04:10.000 Britain can leave.
01:04:11.000 If that happens, when would France leave the EU? I saw that there's massive anti-fascist protests this week.
01:04:17.000 Yeah, so the way that their electoral system works is they, instead of doing it all in one day, they basically, whoever can run and get on the ballot, there's like maybe 8 to 12 candidates who are on the ballot next week, and then assuming that one person doesn't get, one of them doesn't get more than 50% of the vote,
01:04:34.000 which they almost never do, that then goes to a second round ballot, which is next month, and that's the actual presidential election between the two main candidates.
01:04:42.000 And what it looks like is that the far-right leader, who is...
01:04:46.000 Softer than her dad who founded the far-right party was, but he was like a Holocaust denier and like serious anti-Semite, and she's just an anti-Muslim, like anti-immigration, anti-EU, sort of like more right-wing version of Trump.
01:05:01.000 She will get through in next week's election, which means it'll be between her...
01:05:06.000 I don't know.
01:05:07.000 The polls say she won't, but the polls didn't say that Brexit was going to happen or that Donald Trump was going to win either.
01:05:12.000 So the question is, will people stay at home?
01:05:14.000 Because the person who she's most likely to be running against is just this kind of slick, nice, handsome, doesn't really believe in anything, not really a politician, but kind of pragmatic.
01:05:25.000 I mean, maybe that'll work.
01:05:26.000 I don't know.
01:05:27.000 But it's a bit of a worry if you care about the stability of...
01:05:35.000 I do worry about it.
01:05:38.000 And then there was the Turkey thing that we were talking about.
01:05:40.000 So we've got these kind of pieces of jigsaw puzzle that have been bashing around in my head over the past few days about, like, will we look back on this period...
01:05:49.000 As just a starting point to something even bigger.
01:05:53.000 Like, I already think that it's amazing.
01:05:55.000 Like, that Trump is amazing.
01:05:57.000 Like, I mean, if two years ago...
01:05:58.000 When was I first on this show?
01:06:00.000 Maybe three years ago or something like that?
01:06:02.000 Something like that.
01:06:03.000 If someone had walked in that door and said to us...
01:06:07.000 Okay, in 2017, you're going to be back on the show, you're going to be talking to each other, and the FBI will be conducting an active investigation into whether or not the government of the day conspired with Putin in Russia to spread misinformation and illegally hack the emails of the Democratic Party.
01:06:32.000 Oh, and by the way, the president is Donald Trump.
01:06:36.000 Hmm.
01:06:37.000 And we know that the hacking happened.
01:06:38.000 We know that the Russians did hack this and did spread misinformation.
01:06:41.000 But the only question is whether or not...
01:06:43.000 The FBI is trying to figure out whether or not there was active collaboration with the government.
01:06:47.000 What do you think...
01:06:49.000 About that.
01:06:49.000 I mean, we would be like, that's a cartoon.
01:06:51.000 That's a fucking cartoon story. 1.00
01:06:53.000 That is crazy cloud cuckoo land. 1.00
01:06:56.000 And so that's where my head has been at.
01:06:59.000 But that would have been, if we did have that conversation, that would have been before the nightclub shooting in Paris, that would have been before the truck ran all over those people in Nice. 0.99
01:07:08.000 Those terrorist attacks that they have had over in France and in Germany have scared the fucking shit out of people. 0.98
01:07:16.000 And letting all those people in from Syria with no vetting and letting a lot of Muslims come into the country that may have some real hate in their heart for this new land that they've found. 1.00
01:07:27.000 I mean, they've got some real issues. 0.54
01:07:29.000 And that's when a person who's a fascist, who comes along, who's like this anti-immigration, you know, comes from a racist background, super right-wing, that's when those people take hold.
01:07:40.000 Well, this is what I always say.
01:07:41.000 I'm talking to Sam Harris tomorrow on my podcast and this is something that he and I talk about a lot, which is... 0.99
01:07:48.000 We have to find a new way to converse about the problem of Islamic jihadism without being so full of shit. 1.00
01:07:54.000 If you are a globalist and an internationalist like I am, if you basically believe— You're a globalist? 0.99
01:08:00.000 That's a negative thing.
01:08:01.000 I've only started using that term lately because the alt-right thinks that globalism is like this Jewish global conspiracy.
01:08:08.000 You're a globalist.
01:08:08.000 You're trying to take over the world.
01:08:10.000 I'm an open-minded person, so I think— What defined it?
01:08:14.000 Well, I would define it as being someone who doesn't like borders and who doesn't like nationalism and jingoism and believes that we are all one and should try to get along.
01:08:23.000 You know what I hear, bro?
01:08:24.000 I hear New World Order. 0.90
01:08:26.000 That's what I hear. 1.00
01:08:26.000 This motherfucker's New World Order. 1.00
01:08:28.000 I can't believe we had him on the show. 1.00
01:08:29.000 I hear FEMA concentration camps!
01:08:31.000 Was that an Alex Jones impression?
01:08:33.000 It was getting close, wasn't it?
01:08:34.000 Alex Jones is a performance artist.
01:08:36.000 Is that what you're claiming?
01:08:36.000 You know what?
01:08:37.000 I ask people on Twitter what I should ask you, and overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly, it's all like, why does he legitimize quacks like Alex Jones? 0.99
01:08:47.000 I absolutely don't.
01:08:47.000 It creates a false equivalence problem.
01:08:49.000 Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
01:08:50.000 Why does he interview so many bad faith actors like Alex Jones?
01:08:53.000 How many people do I interview like Alex Jones?
01:08:55.000 I don't know.
01:08:56.000 First of all, I don't interview anybody.
01:08:58.000 I'm not interviewing you, am I? Nope.
01:09:00.000 I'm not an interviewer. 0.98
01:09:01.000 I suck at that.
01:09:02.000 I've kind of interviewed Ron Miscavige yesterday. 0.99
01:09:06.000 I talk to people.
01:09:07.000 And I record it.
01:09:08.000 That's it.
01:09:09.000 I'm not a journalist by any stretch of the imagination.
01:09:11.000 Alex Jones has been my friend for 20 years. 1.00
01:09:13.000 He's fucking crazy. 0.99
01:09:15.000 I showed everybody how crazy he was on my podcast by getting him high and drunk and have him talk about interdimensional child molesters. 1.00
01:09:22.000 If you watch that and you think I'm legitimizing Alex Jones in some sort of a way, then you're just, you're looking at things in a very cookie-cutter way.
01:09:31.000 You're deciding that this is what I've done.
01:09:34.000 But a lot of people listen to you, and so I think the criticism that these people have is, like, people put faith in you, and they assume that if you don't raise a question against something, that that means that you tacitly agree with what's being said. 0.98
01:09:46.000 And that that allows the spread of a lot of bullshit. 0.93
01:09:48.000 You don't think I raised questions about Alex? 0.99
01:09:50.000 No, I didn't listen to your episode.
01:09:51.000 I definitely raised questions.
01:09:52.000 But we were more bullshitting than anything and having fun.
01:09:55.000 And he was hammered.
01:09:57.000 I mean, look, people got a chance to see him.
01:09:58.000 They're actually using footage of the conversation that we had against him in his custody battle.
01:10:04.000 Because they're saying he was in Los Angeles on film smoking marijuana.
01:10:08.000 He's a loose cannon.
01:10:10.000 And that's literally being used against him.
01:10:13.000 He doesn't. 0.99
01:10:13.000 He doesn't give a fuck. 0.99
01:10:14.000 Really? 1.00
01:10:15.000 They asked him a question about his kid.
01:10:16.000 They asked him a question about his kid.
01:10:17.000 He couldn't remember.
01:10:17.000 He goes, I'm sorry.
01:10:18.000 I had a large bowl of chili for lunch today.
01:10:20.000 I can't remember. 1.00
01:10:20.000 He's fucking crazy. 1.00
01:10:22.000 He's crazy and he makes ridiculous amounts of money. 1.00
01:10:26.000 Alex Jones, he doesn't give a fuck. 1.00
01:10:28.000 He's a great guy. 0.99
01:10:29.000 I swear to God, he's a great guy. 0.95
01:10:30.000 He's just got a ridiculous platform and he's kind of character. 0.97
01:10:35.000 But that's who he is, man. 0.96
01:10:38.000 You think he's a performance artist?
01:10:39.000 I think there's a part of what he does that is most certainly theater.
01:10:45.000 I think anybody who doesn't see that...
01:10:46.000 Tide goes in, tide goes out!
01:10:47.000 Tide comes in, tide comes out!
01:10:49.000 It's a bad impression, you gotta work on it.
01:10:51.000 It's almost as bad as my Trump impression.
01:10:52.000 Fortunately, I never listen to Alex Jones.
01:10:54.000 Never?
01:10:55.000 I mean, I see clips of him when someone shares something with me online, but life's too short to listen to Alex Jones.
01:11:01.000 The best clips are when he gets mad and then he apologizes.
01:11:05.000 I'm a Christian, I'm sorry.
01:11:06.000 I have seen those.
01:11:08.000 Someone said something about him recently, and he went all...
01:11:13.000 I never swear.
01:11:13.000 I never swear.
01:11:14.000 In 20 years, I've never sworn on the air, but this fucking faggot! 1.00
01:11:18.000 He went fucking crazy. 1.00
01:11:20.000 He went fucking crazy on this one guy. 1.00
01:11:22.000 I did see that. 0.99
01:11:22.000 And then he said, I'm sorry. 0.99
01:11:23.000 I'm sorry.
01:11:24.000 I apologize.
01:11:24.000 I know children are listening.
01:11:25.000 This is wrong. 1.00
01:11:26.000 I mean, he's just fucking... 1.00
01:11:28.000 He's a maniac. 1.00
01:11:29.000 I'm not giving him... 1.00
01:11:31.000 I'm not giving him legitimacy.
01:11:33.000 He already has a massive platform, arguably bigger than mine.
01:11:36.000 What I'm doing is showing you what I see when I hang out with Alex Jones.
01:11:41.000 People are like, why are you friends with Alex Jones?
01:11:42.000 I'm like, he's a nice guy.
01:11:44.000 I like him. 0.96
01:11:44.000 Look, I have a friend who I argued with for a fucking hour yesterday who thinks... 0.96
01:11:48.000 I'm pretty sure he thinks the fucking world is flat. 0.99
01:11:50.000 Yeah, that's another one that I got. 0.99
01:11:52.000 He thinks satellites aren't real.
01:11:52.000 Is this Eddie Bravo?
01:11:53.000 Yeah.
01:11:53.000 He thinks satellites aren't real.
01:11:55.000 He doesn't believe in dinosaurs. 1.00
01:11:56.000 He thinks dinosaurs are bullshit. 0.99
01:11:57.000 He doesn't believe in nuclear bombs. 1.00
01:11:59.000 He's...
01:12:00.000 Out to lunch!
01:12:01.000 He doesn't believe in nuclear bombs.
01:12:03.000 Listen, man, you can't even hold it to the fire. 0.98
01:12:06.000 It's ridiculous. 0.98
01:12:08.000 I don't understand his thought process. 0.85
01:12:09.000 And again, I've been friends with him as long as I've been friends with Alex Jones.
01:12:13.000 I'm way closer with Eddie.
01:12:14.000 Way closer.
01:12:15.000 Eddie's one of my best friends. 1.00
01:12:16.000 He's fucking crazy. 0.97
01:12:18.000 But if you talk to him about conspiracies, but if you talk to him about, like, MMA, or he's a jiu-jitsu genius, I mean, he's like one of the very best jiu-jitsu instructors on the planet Earth, without a doubt. 0.99
01:12:28.000 I mean, this comes back again to, like, how we can compartmentalize our minds, right?
01:12:33.000 It's like a religious person who believes in the story of Jesus, but is also otherwise super intelligent.
01:12:37.000 That's a perfect analogy.
01:12:38.000 Yeah.
01:12:39.000 Yeah, it's, and, you know, I don't know how people's brains work.
01:12:43.000 I don't understand.
01:12:47.000 I've tried to study people's really irrational thinking, but you know what I worry more than anything?
01:12:55.000 I worry that it's a contagious disease.
01:12:58.000 I think it is.
01:12:59.000 I think it is.
01:13:00.000 And this is why I'm a bit worried about where we're at culturally at the moment, because I think that concern about irrationalism being contagious...
01:13:09.000 I think?
01:13:38.000 I think? 0.86
01:13:51.000 That if all you're doing every day is just tweeting out like a stream of nonsensical bullshit that is neither true nor false but kind of exists in like this meta area of like you are Trump's ego, then I actually have found myself becoming less convinced about reliable sources of information and myself becoming more susceptible to irrational ideas.
01:14:13.000 Like I don't feel as confident anymore It's easy because you see so much stuff of like, I'll tweet out something that the Washington Post or the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times have published, all of which I regard as being upstanding publications where I have faith that the journalists are doing their best,
01:14:33.000 not always perfectly, but doing their best in the long haul to tell the truth and only report facts.
01:14:38.000 And then people will say, oh, fake news, fake news, oh, this is bullshit, and they'll link to something that Alex Jones said as if there's kind of equivalence between those two things.
01:14:45.000 And I have They link to something Alex Jones said? 0.95
01:14:48.000 Are you talking about an actual specific thing or are you just speaking generalities?
01:14:51.000 No, people have linked.
01:14:52.000 People have told me that they believe there's no difference between the credibility of Alex Jones and the credibility of the New York Times.
01:14:59.000 Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
01:15:05.000 Does the New York Times talk about interdimensional child molesters?
01:15:07.000 Not yet, not yet, but let's give them time, Joe.
01:15:10.000 It's early days in this administration. 0.98
01:15:12.000 The New York Times has fucked up in the past. 0.99
01:15:14.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:15:15.000 And they have strayed from unbiased journalism, which is an issue.
01:15:21.000 Because as soon as you start doing that, as soon as you editorialize the news, you open yourself up for people who point out that you editorialize the news and then point out the fact that you're biased.
01:15:31.000 But hold on.
01:15:32.000 They have been.
01:15:33.000 That's an issue.
01:15:34.000 And I think they realize that that has been used against them.
01:15:38.000 And I think that's one of the things that they addressed when they talked about sort of Reinvigorating the idea of objective journalism.
01:15:47.000 And they started talking about that after the Trump election, after he was elected president.
01:15:53.000 They talked about this reinvigoration, this sort of recommitting themselves to real hard journalism.
01:16:00.000 Yes, that's right.
01:16:00.000 I think a lot of people also don't understand the difference between the editorial page and, like, the opinion pages and the news section.
01:16:07.000 It's true, but even the news section has been biased.
01:16:10.000 You know, there have been stories that have...
01:16:13.000 I've read some things.
01:16:32.000 I think?
01:16:50.000 Truth is all socially constructed, and, like, gender is entirely socially constructed, and there is no such thing as masculinity.
01:16:56.000 It's all just, I don't know, some kind of capitalist story that we've all been led to believe.
01:17:00.000 So, like, put a flower in your hair and bust out of it and let your truth be whatever you want the truth to be.
01:17:05.000 He sees a link between that and what you might think of as being something very opposite, which is the hard-right, kind of alt-right, Trumpy sort of fake news phenomenon.
01:17:16.000 Because both of them...
01:17:31.000 Okay.
01:17:31.000 Trump said it.
01:17:32.000 Does it matter that it's true or not true?
01:17:34.000 Let's unpack that one step at a time. 0.60
01:17:37.000 I definitely think that some of the, as we said before, some of the reasons why Trump became popular are these ridiculous assertions that gender Has no basis in biology. 0.56
01:17:54.000 That you can be anything you want. 0.94
01:17:56.000 You can be foxkin. 1.00
01:17:58.000 That you can identify with being...
01:18:01.000 I mean, there's people that are trying to figure out whether or not transracial is a thing.
01:18:05.000 Rachel Dolezal was on CNN, and she was talking about the fact that It's kind of saying the same thing.
01:18:28.000 I mean, I find her logic sort of hard to flaw, to fault in a way.
01:18:34.000 Race is a social construct.
01:18:35.000 It's most certainly more solid than saying there's no biological basis for gender.
01:18:40.000 That's right.
01:18:41.000 There's more biological basis to sex than there is to, you know, there's more correlation between gender and sex. 0.86
01:18:46.000 It's a chromosomal issue.
01:18:48.000 There's an XY chromosome that males have.
01:18:51.000 And if a male decides that he identifies with being a female...
01:18:55.000 Look, there's a boy that's running track now.
01:18:57.000 There's a new one, because they've had a few of these.
01:18:59.000 There's one that was a girl that was a wrestler. 1.00
01:19:01.000 She wanted to be a boy, so she was taking testosterone and crushing all these other girls in wrestling. 1.00
01:19:06.000 She won the state title in Texas. 0.77
01:19:07.000 I think you mean he was a transgender man.
01:19:09.000 Whatever, whatever. 1.00
01:19:10.000 But now there's a boy who's not even taking treatment who decides he identifies as a girl, and he's just whooping everybody's ass in track, because he's a fucking boy. 1.00
01:19:19.000 Right. 1.00
01:19:19.000 But no, he's a girl. 1.00
01:19:20.000 But he's not a girl.
01:19:25.000 Yeah.
01:19:41.000 Before it eventually came out, and now once you're out, look, I say, especially in professional sports, you have a right to say no or to say yes to compete against that person.
01:19:55.000 I think if a woman wants to fight against a man, if a woman's 130 pounds and she wants to fight against a man who's 130 pounds, they both agree, do whatever you want.
01:20:03.000 I think you should be allowed to.
01:20:04.000 But I think that there's a big difference between someone who has been a man their whole life, has had testosterone flowing through their bones, Their blood, their body, their whole life, and then decides they're a woman, versus a woman who was born a woman, raised a woman, and is a biological woman her entire life.
01:20:21.000 A transgender woman just is not a regular biological woman. 1.00
01:20:25.000 There's a difference.
01:20:26.000 But saying that gets people so angry.
01:20:29.000 Saying that a transgender woman, who you can say is a woman, but saying that they're the same thing as a biological woman is just not factually true.
01:20:38.000 They have different chromosomes.
01:20:40.000 They have a different structure.
01:20:41.000 The hips are built different.
01:20:42.000 The shoulders are wider.
01:20:44.000 The hands are bigger.
01:20:45.000 There's so many factors.
01:20:46.000 That's right.
01:20:47.000 This is what makes people so frustrated about the whole political correctness thing, right?
01:20:51.000 That we set up tripwires, and if you trigger one of those tripwires by making a claim like the one you just made, which is that a trans woman is not exactly the same as a cis woman, a non-trans woman.
01:21:03.000 I'm not using cis.
01:21:04.000 Won't do it.
01:21:04.000 Not going to do it?
01:21:05.000 Not real.
01:21:06.000 What do you want to call them?
01:21:06.000 Zs.
01:21:08.000 I'll go with Z and Zer. 1.00
01:21:10.000 No, Z is the...
01:21:11.000 Isn't Z instead of she for a trans... 1.00
01:21:14.000 No, it's not instead of she, you piece of shit. 1.00
01:21:16.000 Sorry, did I just trigger one of those tripwires, did I? It's non-gender based. 1.00
01:21:20.000 Josh, it's so transphobic!
01:21:21.000 It is a non-gender-based pronoun.
01:21:23.000 No, that's what I mean.
01:21:25.000 It's he or she for people who don't have a gender. 0.99
01:21:27.000 It's what the fuck it is. 1.00
01:21:29.000 And you, sitting over there as a male. 1.00
01:21:32.000 As an actual male.
01:21:33.000 I'm a cis male, thank you very much.
01:21:35.000 Yeah.
01:21:36.000 Not an actual male.
01:21:37.000 Biological male. 0.99
01:21:38.000 Not all men have penises. 0.99
01:21:41.000 I had Buck Angel on. 0.99
01:21:42.000 Oh yeah?
01:21:43.000 Who's a transgender man who uses the term biological male.
01:21:48.000 He says there's a difference between a biological male.
01:21:50.000 He was born a woman, and then transitioned to being a man, and he says biological male.
01:21:55.000 And he says that trans people hate on him for using the term biological.
01:22:01.000 Well, what does he mean by the term?
01:22:03.000 Well, someone who has XY chromosome, a biological male, versus him, who has XX chromosome.
01:22:09.000 Oh, I see, I see.
01:22:09.000 Yeah, so I thought you meant that he calls himself a biological male.
01:22:12.000 No, no, he says...
01:22:13.000 Yeah, he calls other people biological males.
01:22:14.000 Yeah, sure.
01:22:15.000 He's like, you should be able to differentiate without being prejudiced.
01:22:19.000 It's so...
01:22:20.000 I mean...
01:22:24.000 It's crazy!
01:22:25.000 We're in crazy town.
01:22:26.000 I just think that people should be able to live however they want to live their lives.
01:22:30.000 I agree.
01:22:31.000 I don't spend a lot of time thinking about this, but I just wish that we were all generous enough that when people find it a little bit difficult to understand, you don't assume that they're bigoted just because it's a new concept for them.
01:22:43.000 Yes.
01:22:44.000 And I think, as you say, this is part of what gave rise to Trump.
01:22:48.000 I mean...
01:22:49.000 The parallel that I was drawing a moment ago between, like, post-structuralist there is no such thing as gender and Trump's fake news campaign was not so much the one led to the other.
01:23:00.000 It was just that both—this is the point that Lawrence Krauss was making—both undermine the—they both erode the idea of truth.
01:23:08.000 And what's ironic is, it's almost exactly the same thing that Bill O'Reilly said.
01:23:13.000 The tide goes in, the tide comes out. 1.00
01:23:15.000 People push this way, and then people go, fuck you! 1.00
01:23:18.000 There is a biological difference, and then they push that way, and then they get transphobic. 1.00
01:23:23.000 I mean, there's a lot of people that get upset at ridiculous ideas, and then they go overboard.
01:23:29.000 They go the other way. 1.00
01:23:30.000 It's so stupid. 1.00
01:23:30.000 Louis C.K. has that bit about gay people as well. 1.00
01:23:33.000 He's like, I don't understand why people get angry at the existence of gay people, even if they're not in their lives.
01:23:41.000 Even better, the gay marriage thing. 0.96
01:23:43.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:23:44.000 People get furious.
01:23:46.000 About gay marriage. 1.00
01:23:46.000 Louis says, like, I would understand if, like, there were a couple of gays fucking on my lawn and I had to, like, hose them down to get them, or, like, gay people were just, like, touching their dicks in front of my face as I'm trying to eat my breakfast cereal. 1.00
01:23:57.000 Right. 1.00
01:23:57.000 But as long as they're not bothering me, I don't understand the point in getting upset about their mere existence out there. 1.00
01:24:03.000 Yeah.
01:24:04.000 And it's the same with trans people. 0.95
01:24:05.000 Like, I don't understand why there's this big thing about trans people. 0.98
01:24:08.000 I understand it's silly.
01:24:09.000 I mean, this comes to also, like...
01:24:13.000 Yeah.
01:24:39.000 Yeah.
01:24:40.000 Yeah.
01:24:42.000 Yeah.
01:24:53.000 To people feeling that there's an injustice, people feeling that there is bigotry and prejudice and so they go too far with it.
01:25:00.000 They get ridiculous and it's also a natural human inclination to try to control other people's behavior.
01:25:05.000 People like to be bossy and they like to be able to tell you what you can and can't do. 0.88
01:25:09.000 They like to tell you what words you can and can't use.
01:25:12.000 It's a weird thing that people do and it may be a response to the frustration that they feel, legitimate frustration from actual bigotry.
01:25:20.000 And it makes them go overboard.
01:25:22.000 It makes them go too far.
01:25:24.000 Yes.
01:25:24.000 It's a lack of perspective on both sides.
01:25:26.000 That's a giant issue with human beings.
01:25:29.000 And you know what?
01:25:29.000 I think it actually was...
01:25:31.000 Like, the past few times that we've gotten together and shot the shit on this show, political correctness and the extremes of it have been a major topic of conversation. 0.98
01:25:40.000 And I think justly so. 0.97
01:25:42.000 But I do think that last year, with the election of Trump, and the kind of Welling up of kind of subtly anti-Semitic, racially coded language during the election campaign last year.
01:25:57.000 But how do you claim anti-Semitic when Jared Kushner is like his main guy now?
01:26:01.000 I don't think Trump is an anti-Semitic.
01:26:02.000 I don't think Trump hates Jews.
01:26:03.000 So who is anti-Semitic?
01:26:04.000 A lot of people who support Trump.
01:26:06.000 Hmm.
01:26:07.000 Right.
01:26:08.000 But there's no evidence that he is, right?
01:26:10.000 I don't think so.
01:26:11.000 No, I think he's just an old... 1.00
01:26:13.000 An old white guy.
01:26:14.000 I think he's an old white guy with traditional ideas about what made America great, and those traditional ideas coincide with an America that was a lot whiter and more Christian than the country that we see today. 0.86
01:26:27.000 I think that's the way it becomes racially coded.
01:26:29.000 He's never even been a religious person.
01:26:31.000 No.
01:26:31.000 It's really interesting when you see him talk about, no children of God should be forced to suffer such defeat.
01:26:37.000 He's such a fraud. 0.98
01:26:39.000 He's such a, go and get your steak knives and your Trump University, dude. 1.00
01:26:42.000 It's like, He's a charlatan.
01:26:43.000 Trump steaks, the best steaks, amazing steaks. 1.00
01:26:46.000 It also shows you how fucking corrupt the religious right are for having gotten behind him so quickly. 0.98
01:26:52.000 When he went down to Liberty University, he gave a speech, he was like, you know my favourite part of the Bible? 0.99
01:26:57.000 Two Corinthians.
01:26:58.000 It's not as it exists.
01:26:59.000 It's not pronounced 2 Corinthians.
01:27:01.000 It's 2 Corinthians.
01:27:02.000 Even if you just went to Bible school when you were a kid, you remember that.
01:27:06.000 So they know he's a fraud.
01:27:08.000 He was asked by an interviewer what his favorite part of the Bible is. 0.55
01:27:11.000 He was like, well, I'm not going to get into that kind of personal, you know, that's personal. 0.99
01:27:14.000 He hasn't read the fucking Bible. 0.99
01:27:16.000 No. 1.00
01:27:16.000 He doesn't pray. 1.00
01:27:17.000 He's got his own Bible.
01:27:18.000 He probably wrote it.
01:27:19.000 Exactly.
01:27:20.000 He sits at home at night in his underwear and he talks and somebody writes it down.
01:27:24.000 Yeah.
01:27:25.000 One day, that'll be the Bible, the best Bible.
01:27:27.000 It'll be an amazing Bible. 1.00
01:27:29.000 So, they're all corrupt and full of shit, the religious right, for getting behind him when they always talk about how important personal faith is in their candidates. 1.00
01:27:37.000 Yeah, but I mean, what else are they going to do? 1.00
01:27:38.000 They go towards Hillary?
01:27:39.000 I mean, what are they going to do?
01:27:40.000 No, no, no, I mean, sorry, I mean during the primary.
01:27:42.000 Yeah, but who else would they go with?
01:27:43.000 He's going to win.
01:27:44.000 They knew he was going to win.
01:27:45.000 Ted Cruz didn't have a shot.
01:27:47.000 He's too wormy.
01:27:48.000 People see him sweat too much.
01:27:50.000 He's just too weird.
01:27:50.000 Yeah, he would have easily lost the election.
01:27:52.000 But what I'm saying is they would rather have Donald Trump win the election than have Ted Cruz lose the election with principles.
01:27:59.000 Yeah, well, which is amazing, because now you see people saying, I wish Ted Cruz was in office.
01:28:03.000 Like, there's a lot of people on the left that would have been happy with Ted Cruz.
01:28:07.000 Yeah, no, not me. 0.98
01:28:09.000 Well, he's really anti-gay. 0.97
01:28:10.000 He's very anti-gay, and he's very smart. 1.00
01:28:13.000 He's extremely, you know, he was like a champion of the Harvard debating team. 0.68
01:28:18.000 Apparently, I think it was Harvard. 0.98
01:28:19.000 I think he's gay. 1.00
01:28:20.000 You reckon he's gay? 0.97
01:28:21.000 I reckon. 0.92
01:28:22.000 You reckon.
01:28:23.000 What do you think?
01:28:24.000 When you look at them. 0.97
01:28:25.000 You got gaydar, right? 0.73
01:28:26.000 Yeah, I do have good gaydar. 0.98
01:28:28.000 Being a gay man, can you pick out gay dudes?
01:28:29.000 Like if you're in a room?
01:28:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:28:32.000 I'm pretty good at it.
01:28:33.000 I'm pretty good at it.
01:28:34.000 Really?
01:28:34.000 What do you think?
01:28:34.000 He doesn't really...
01:28:36.000 He gives... 1.00
01:28:36.000 On the conservative right, there's a fine line between slimy arsehole and closeted gay. 1.00
01:28:44.000 You know what I mean? 1.00
01:28:45.000 You don't think there's some connection?
01:28:47.000 Some like...
01:28:48.000 Well, no, I'm saying...
01:28:49.000 Michael Riesel relationship between the two things.
01:28:52.000 Well, there could be, but the problem is they never...
01:28:54.000 Underlying root system connected by fungus that sort of connects them.
01:28:59.000 They communicate via electronic signals using fungal. 0.98
01:29:02.000 Deep under the surface, pray the gay away. 1.00
01:29:04.000 It's possible, but they often, they also, like Ted Haggard is a good example. 0.96
01:29:08.000 Yeah.
01:29:08.000 Right?
01:29:08.000 You remember that guy?
01:29:09.000 Oh, yeah.
01:29:10.000 Yeah.
01:29:10.000 He was, he seemed gay, didn't he?
01:29:13.000 Oh, yeah.
01:29:13.000 He had a little, like, his sibilance were a little bit...
01:29:17.000 Yeah, what is up with lispies and gay? 1.00
01:29:20.000 I don't get it. 0.70
01:29:21.000 I don't know, because I'm, like, obviously not the most gay-presenting person that you've ever met, so I don't...
01:29:27.000 How does that work?
01:29:28.000 Yeah, I don't know.
01:29:29.000 It's fascinating though, isn't it?
01:29:30.000 Yeah, some people present as gay.
01:29:32.000 Well, so here's part of the thing about gender as well. 1.00
01:29:34.000 This brings us back to Rachel Dolezal and race and stuff like that.
01:29:38.000 Like, obviously...
01:29:41.000 So maybe there is some biological reason why dudes who are attracted to dudes tend to exhibit mannerisms that are more commonly associated with femininity, right?
01:29:53.000 Maybe a sing-songy voice, a certain style of walking, sashaying, a swishy sort of walking.
01:30:01.000 Well, my friends that I was talking about, the couple, there's a very clear male and female in the relationship.
01:30:06.000 One of them does appear gay. 0.89
01:30:09.000 Like, if you met him, you'd be like, oh, that's a gay guy. 0.85
01:30:10.000 But the other guy, you would have to know him. 0.90
01:30:13.000 Right.
01:30:13.000 You wouldn't know.
01:30:15.000 And so, but then, so what I think, if there's a kernel of biology in that, I think it's been ramped up aggressively over the past century by people also playing the role of...
01:30:47.000 Mm-hmm.
01:30:50.000 Part of it must be an act.
01:30:51.000 Maybe to telegraph to each other?
01:30:54.000 Maybe, yeah.
01:30:54.000 But there's also just this broad spectrum of individuals that are so different.
01:31:00.000 I mean, there's masculine people that are so incredibly different than other masculine people.
01:31:05.000 There's feminine women that are so incredibly different than other feminine women. 1.00
01:31:09.000 I mean, just people, they vary.
01:31:11.000 They vary widely, biologically, socially.
01:31:14.000 They vary by their own neurochemistry.
01:31:17.000 I mean, there's people that are just almost naturally inclined to be depressed. 0.99
01:31:20.000 There's some people that you could shit right in their hair and they'd be fucking happy as peaches. 0.99
01:31:25.000 People are weird, man. 0.99
01:31:26.000 I'm a pretty happy person.
01:31:27.000 Where do you think you lie on that spectrum of happiness?
01:31:30.000 I'm pretty happy.
01:31:31.000 But I work at it.
01:31:33.000 I'm pretty aware of the pitfalls of inactivity, and I exercise a lot, I eat healthy.
01:31:41.000 But even having the ability to motivate yourself to take action is also something that...
01:31:46.000 You're lucky to have.
01:31:48.000 Yeah, I guess, but how much of that is from learned behavior?
01:31:52.000 How much of that is from what, you know, the way I grew up?
01:31:56.000 There's a lot of factors.
01:31:57.000 Yeah.
01:31:57.000 Yeah, there are.
01:31:58.000 My parents did not exercise at all. 0.97
01:32:01.000 I mean, fucking zero when I was growing up. 0.99
01:32:04.000 Zero. 0.99
01:32:05.000 They would come home from work and drink, and I just was like, look, I gotta do something with this body.
01:32:12.000 Like, this body wants to go to war.
01:32:14.000 I gotta get out and run. 1.00
01:32:15.000 I gotta hit a punching bag. 0.93
01:32:17.000 I gotta lift some weight. 0.71
01:32:18.000 I gotta do something.
01:32:19.000 Yeah.
01:32:19.000 I was just always like...
01:32:20.000 Like, I felt like there was an engine inside of me that was revving up all the time, and I had to go run it.
01:32:26.000 If I didn't get out there and push it, I didn't feel calm.
01:32:30.000 And it took me till I was like a teenager before I figured that out.
01:32:34.000 And then once I figured that out, once I started exercising, it was like there was me pre-working out and then me.
01:32:41.000 It's like, oh, now I can think.
01:32:42.000 And then I realized, God, I was under the influence of biology for so long.
01:32:46.000 Well, yeah, I mean, you're lucky that you didn't channel that into drugs or alcohol or prescription drugs or aggression.
01:32:52.000 Yeah, violence is the real worry.
01:32:56.000 That's a giant issue with boys.
01:32:58.000 And you see kids playing.
01:33:01.000 I was at a party recently, a little kids party.
01:33:04.000 It was an adult party, but they had little kids there.
01:33:06.000 What were you doing at a little children's party?
01:33:07.000 I'm not even going to make that joke.
01:33:08.000 With my little kids, buddy.
01:33:10.000 And there was this one boy.
01:33:12.000 And this one boy has these two parents that had a kid late in life.
01:33:16.000 They weren't really paying attention.
01:33:17.000 They were inside drinking. 0.99
01:33:18.000 And this kid was fucking hyper-aggressive, running around pushing kids. 1.00
01:33:23.000 He hit kids. 0.99
01:33:24.000 I watched him. 0.99
01:33:26.000 I watched him call this kid a loser. 0.95
01:33:30.000 And, you know, I had to have a conversation with the dad. 0.98
01:33:34.000 I'm like, dude, your kid is really aggressive.
01:33:36.000 And he's like, he's a good kid.
01:33:37.000 I'm like, I wanted it. 0.98
01:33:39.000 It's so hard because you want to say, hey man, you're not even fucking watching your kid. 0.98
01:33:42.000 You're in here drinking. 0.99
01:33:43.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:33:44.000 I'm like, look, I saw him push this kid and call him a loser.
01:33:47.000 He goes, that never happened.
01:33:48.000 I'm like...
01:33:49.000 Oh my god.
01:33:50.000 He goes, look, I'm trying to apologize because this kid did something.
01:33:53.000 He goes, I'm trying to apologize for his behavior.
01:33:55.000 I'm like, you're not apologizing.
01:33:56.000 You're saying he didn't do anything.
01:33:58.000 I'm like, all right, man.
01:33:59.000 I'm sorry.
01:34:00.000 I'm sorry that this is the case, but this is what happened.
01:34:02.000 What is it with parents defending their kids so much these days?
01:34:06.000 If a parent had come up to my parent when I was a little kid and told them that I'd been doing something like that, it would have been the grown-ups...
01:34:16.000 We're good to go.
01:34:34.000 Yep. 0.99
01:34:34.000 You're two steps away from beating the fuck out of him. 0.99
01:34:36.000 Well, he wasn't there! 0.99
01:34:38.000 You were there, you saw it happen.
01:34:39.000 How does he know that it didn't happen? 0.99
01:34:40.000 Such a dick thing to say. 0.98
01:34:42.000 We're two steps away from... 0.98
01:34:43.000 Well, he wasn't watching his kid at all.
01:34:45.000 Yeah.
01:34:45.000 And his kid, first of all, they had to go to visit his kid, because his kid hit other kids on three occasions.
01:34:53.000 So he has really good grounds for believing that it never happened.
01:34:56.000 This party happened over a course of a couple of hours.
01:35:00.000 This kid hit three kids.
01:35:02.000 And so when you say to a guy that your kid's really aggressive, he's like, he's a good kid.
01:35:08.000 No, he's not.
01:35:08.000 He's a good kid.
01:35:09.000 Oh, he's a good kid. 0.99
01:35:10.000 You don't even fucking know! 0.98
01:35:12.000 Hey, maybe he's a good kid who's being aggressive right now. 0.99
01:35:15.000 Doesn't change what I saw.
01:35:16.000 But what I'm saying is, kids, especially boys, they have this thing inside of them.
01:35:22.000 Some of them do.
01:35:23.000 Some of them don't.
01:35:24.000 But, you know, we vary biologically.
01:35:26.000 But some of them have this aggressive tendency.
01:35:29.000 That's why boys like to play football.
01:35:31.000 That's why boys gravitate towards aggressive activities.
01:35:36.000 They've got to get it out of their system.
01:35:38.000 You've got to exercise with that kid.
01:35:39.000 You've got to do something with him.
01:35:40.000 Play catch with him.
01:35:42.000 Run around with him.
01:35:43.000 Wear him out. 1.00
01:35:44.000 People are not meant to sit down in a fucking classroom and just pay attention all day to some shit they don't want to pay attention to, and then go home and sit in front of the TV. And what do they do with all that energy that kept us from... 0.99
01:35:58.000 You know, kept us alive, kept us from predators, kept us from invaders.
01:36:03.000 I mean, all that stuff is biologically programmed in the human animal, and we ignore it.
01:36:08.000 You're being very transphobic by implying that there's something male, intrinsically male.
01:36:12.000 Is that transphobic, or is it gender?
01:36:13.000 I don't know.
01:36:14.000 Gender essentialism, I think that's what it's called. 1.00
01:36:17.000 No, I'm with you, and this is a problem.
01:36:18.000 I mean, this is a problem about fatherhood, right?
01:36:21.000 It's something I'm thinking about now that I'm about to become a father.
01:36:25.000 Twins! 0.98
01:36:25.000 Gotta run around, take care of two. 0.98
01:36:27.000 Yeah.
01:36:27.000 And how do I also make sure that, like, they grow up with good masculine role models and people...
01:36:32.000 And that I enable them to be the best kinds of human beings that they want to flourish into.
01:36:37.000 And then you've got the whole question of Adderall and Ritalin and so on.
01:36:40.000 Like, these...
01:36:41.000 My neighbor did that. 0.92
01:36:42.000 My neighbor put their kid on Ritalin.
01:36:44.000 One of them.
01:36:45.000 Prozac, Ritalin, something like that.
01:36:46.000 They had this kid, and he wasn't a bad kid. 0.99
01:36:49.000 He was just fucking ignored. 0.98
01:36:50.000 Same thing. 1.00
01:36:51.000 The wife... 1.00
01:36:52.000 The wife was always trying to get dick from everybody. 1.00
01:36:54.000 She was, like, flirting with everybody. 0.99
01:36:55.000 She'd flirt with my friends.
01:36:57.000 She'd flirt with everybody. 1.00
01:36:57.000 And the husband was just fucking dealing with this crazy bitch for a wife. 1.00
01:37:01.000 He didn't want to be there. 1.00
01:37:02.000 He would work late.
01:37:03.000 And this poor kid was just bouncing off the walls since they put him on drugs.
01:37:07.000 There's an economist called Tyler Cowen.
01:37:10.000 I don't know if you know of Tyler.
01:37:12.000 He's the kind of guy who, now that he's in his mid-50s, says that he's sure that when he was younger he would have been medicated if it were...
01:37:20.000 I think?
01:37:38.000 Yes.
01:37:41.000 Yes.
01:38:03.000 What would have happened to his creativity if he'd been medicated in order to be able to get through class because he was always distracted?
01:38:11.000 Parents don't care. 0.95
01:38:12.000 They want convenience, especially parents at work all day. 0.99
01:38:14.000 They work all day and they come home and they want this kid to fucking behave because they're tired. 0.97
01:38:19.000 And they want this life that they see in movies and in television shows. 0.99
01:38:22.000 They don't know what it's like to raise a human being.
01:38:24.000 It's very complex. 0.98
01:38:26.000 And, you know, especially when you're sending these fucking kids to schools that they promote these rigid ideas of how children are supposed to behave and, you know, and tell you that if you don't follow their rules, you're not going to be successful. 0.98
01:38:39.000 I mean, how many fucking stories have you heard where teachers tell rowdy kids they're never going to amount to anything? 0.99
01:38:45.000 I had a teacher tell it to me. 0.99
01:38:46.000 I'll never fucking forget it. 0.98
01:38:47.000 Yep, I had that as well. 1.00
01:38:48.000 Because she was just so dumb. 1.00
01:38:50.000 She was so dumb and such a bad teacher. 1.00
01:38:53.000 And I was a terrible student. 1.00
01:38:54.000 I mean, she was certainly frustrated.
01:38:56.000 I mean, it's public schools, right? 0.98
01:38:58.000 But I said something, and this black woman had a terrible accent. 1.00
01:39:03.000 She had a very bad Ebonics accent. 0.98
01:39:06.000 And I was talking.
01:39:07.000 To my friend.
01:39:08.000 And she goes, Mr. Rogan, would you like to come up here and do both of these problems in front of the class?
01:39:13.000 So I go, would you like me to do both of those problems?
01:39:15.000 Ah!
01:39:17.000 And everybody started laughing hard. 1.00
01:39:20.000 The kids were like, oh shit. 0.99
01:39:22.000 And so she kicked me out of class for that. 1.00
01:39:24.000 And I said, all I did was talk the way you talk.
01:39:27.000 And you kicked me out.
01:39:28.000 I go, just because you're teaching a math class, shouldn't you learn how to talk?
01:39:32.000 Shouldn't you learn how to talk correctly in front of students?
01:39:34.000 And she kicked me out.
01:39:36.000 And I remember she said, go ahead and laugh at Mr. Rogan.
01:39:39.000 Mr. Rogan is never going to amount to anything in life.
01:39:41.000 Yeah, unlike being a public school teacher.
01:39:43.000 But there's nothing wrong with being a public school teacher.
01:39:45.000 I'm just saying she didn't amount to very much.
01:39:47.000 It's not true.
01:39:47.000 It's a great job if you do it right and you have influence over people.
01:39:51.000 What I'm saying is all public school teachers are worthless and should be executed, Joe Rogan. 0.99
01:39:54.000 That's precisely the point that I'm trying to make. 1.00
01:39:57.000 You are so rude. 0.94
01:39:58.000 First of all, you're not even American. 0.99
01:39:59.000 Nope. 1.00
01:39:59.000 You come over here and say that shit. 1.00
01:40:00.000 We have public school teachers. 1.00
01:40:02.000 No, of course, I love public school teachers.
01:40:03.000 But saying that...
01:40:03.000 I take your point.
01:40:04.000 Why would she say that? 1.00
01:40:05.000 It's because she's a cunt. 1.00
01:40:08.000 She was not a nice person. 1.00
01:40:09.000 So we should be criticizing her not for her occupation, but for her cuntdom. 1.00
01:40:12.000 But it's a fucking horrible job, man. 1.00
01:40:14.000 I mean, I wouldn't want to deal with me either when I was 15. Who the hell wants to deal with a 15-year-old boy who doesn't want to pay attention, who doesn't give a shit about math? 0.99
01:40:22.000 But, you know, she left a weak spot. 0.94
01:40:24.000 Do you think...
01:40:24.000 Well, also, the whole question of speaking well...
01:40:29.000 Yeah.
01:40:49.000 Of the language.
01:40:50.000 Well, you could argue that.
01:40:51.000 But you know what?
01:40:52.000 The same would be held if this was...
01:40:55.000 I mean, this is in Massachusetts. 0.98
01:40:56.000 The same would be held if it was a guy who was a teacher who had a ridiculous Boston accent. 0.96
01:41:01.000 And I mocked his Boston accent. 0.98
01:41:04.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:41:04.000 Like if he said, you know, something about, park your fucking car. 1.00
01:41:07.000 And I was like, would you like me to park my car correctly? 0.99
01:41:10.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:41:10.000 And he kicked me out because of that.
01:41:12.000 It's the same thing.
01:41:12.000 Could have had an Australian accent, too.
01:41:14.000 Heaven forbid.
01:41:15.000 You're mocking someone's inability to communicate correctly.
01:41:19.000 Because, look, whether or not it's good or bad, you might like saying both better.
01:41:23.000 You might like it, and there's nothing wrong with that. 0.72
01:41:24.000 Look, if you're a happy, successful person, and you don't like to say both, you like to say both, What the fuck is wrong with that? 0.97
01:41:31.000 It's just a sound you make with your mouth. 0.97
01:41:32.000 Sure. 1.00
01:41:33.000 But if I can say it, if I can repeat it, and you're so touchy about it, you kick me out of class, well, you fucked up. 1.00
01:41:40.000 You fucked up. 1.00
01:41:41.000 You got a soft spot. 1.00
01:41:42.000 That's right.
01:41:42.000 She knows.
01:41:43.000 Yeah, she feels insecure about it.
01:41:45.000 Exactly.
01:41:45.000 I got a big laugh.
01:41:46.000 You got under her skin.
01:41:47.000 One of my first big laughs.
01:41:48.000 I was like, oh, I can mock things.
01:41:51.000 Yeah.
01:41:52.000 But just, you know, she just...
01:41:55.000 She's under pressure.
01:41:56.000 It's a terrible job.
01:41:57.000 Not getting paid very much.
01:41:58.000 And you have to be a babysitter as well as an educator.
01:42:01.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:42:01.000 Fucking horrible. 1.00
01:42:03.000 I mean, I had Frank Rich on my podcast on We The People. 0.99
01:42:07.000 He's an executive producer on Veep.
01:42:09.000 And he was like the main columnist on the New York Times opinion page for maybe almost 20 years in the 90s and the 2000s.
01:42:19.000 And he sort of started the New York Times Week in Review section, which comes out in the Sunday paper.
01:42:25.000 I think we're good to go.
01:42:44.000 We're good to go.
01:43:05.000 You shouldn't need to pay attention to them.
01:43:07.000 They're a lost cause.
01:43:09.000 They keep voting against their own interests by voting for people like Trump and voting for Republicans.
01:43:13.000 Don't try to win them over and stop trying to understand them and wringing your hands about why you've lost them.
01:43:19.000 It's an interesting episode if people want...
01:43:21.000 I mean, obviously I'm grossly exaggerating what his actual position is, but you should...
01:43:26.000 you can...
01:43:27.000 You can listen to the episode.
01:43:28.000 I could see how someone would take that stance, but I think there's just a natural inclination to go left and right with people.
01:43:34.000 There's a natural inclination to react to certain right-leaning behaviors by going far left, and a natural inclination to go...
01:43:42.000 Like, how many people grow up from really regressive religious backgrounds, and then they become, like, really secular?
01:43:51.000 As they get older, they abandon the religion, they become reformed Catholics.
01:43:54.000 It's really common.
01:43:55.000 Yep.
01:43:56.000 It's really common to see the suppression of one ideology and bounce in the other direction.
01:44:02.000 If you have a parent, I mean, there's a lot of people that, you know, they grow up and their parents are super hippies and then they become conservative to rebel against their parents.
01:44:10.000 It's really common.
01:44:11.000 Yep.
01:44:11.000 That's what I'm always thinking about in terms of parenthood as well.
01:44:14.000 Like, no matter what it is that I try to fix in the way that my parents raised me where I think they could have done it better, that's just going to swing in the opposite direction and then my kids are going to do the opposite because you always think that your parents did an imperfect job, right?
01:44:27.000 And they do!
01:44:27.000 So we're always fighting yesterday's battle.
01:44:28.000 Well, everybody does an imperfect job.
01:44:30.000 It's impossible to be perfect. 1.00
01:44:31.000 You're a fucking human being. 1.00
01:44:32.000 There's no perfect human beings. 1.00
01:44:34.000 They've never existed.
01:44:35.000 Jesus.
01:44:35.000 The Dalai Lama!
01:44:36.000 The Dalai Lama is not perfect. 1.00
01:44:38.000 How about fucking Gandhi? 1.00
01:44:39.000 Gandhi used to sleep with a bunch of girls naked in his room. 1.00
01:44:43.000 He was probably a freak. 0.99
01:44:45.000 Like, Gandhi was most likely a freak.
01:44:46.000 And they just kept it under wraps because he was Gandhi.
01:44:49.000 Like, you know the story?
01:44:50.000 He used to sleep with naked teenagers?
01:44:52.000 Yeah.
01:44:52.000 There's also weird things about...
01:44:54.000 I mean, him and also Mother Teresa have weird things in their personal lives.
01:44:57.000 What'd she do?
01:44:58.000 Well, I don't think it was sexual, but I think there were a lot of questions about her ethical dealings in terms of the Mother Teresa Foundation and where her money went.
01:45:06.000 What did it go to?
01:45:07.000 Well, for a start, she didn't think it was a good idea to empower...
01:45:13.000 Young women.
01:45:14.000 What if we found out that all our money went to a warehouse filled with dildos? 1.00
01:45:18.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99
01:45:20.000 Like, she did a lot of good, but she also bought a lot of dildos. 1.00
01:45:23.000 Just fucking gigantic stacks of them. 0.98
01:45:26.000 Huge quantities. 0.99
01:45:27.000 She could do way more than she could use.
01:45:29.000 Way more than anyone could use. 1.00
01:45:31.000 Kickstart these fucking Harley Davidson-powered vibrators. 0.99
01:45:35.000 I love it. 1.00
01:45:36.000 Yeah.
01:45:37.000 Well, I mean, the people are not perfect.
01:45:39.000 And most charitable organizations are criticized for spending far too much on infrastructure and, you know, administrative costs, and then you find out how much money actually goes to the charity.
01:45:49.000 Like, you just have an organization where you're giving people jobs.
01:45:52.000 And, by the way, you also do some good.
01:45:55.000 There are some good...
01:45:56.000 It's interesting because whenever I give to charity, I always try to pay attention to how many overheads they have and how much money is being spent on admin and so on.
01:46:04.000 But then it was actually, I think, Will McCaskill or someone who's involved in the Life You Can Save kind of give well movement, which is like rational...
01:46:14.000 Is it practical altruism or rational altruism?
01:46:17.000 Effective.
01:46:17.000 Effective altruism, that's right.
01:46:18.000 He's been on my podcast.
01:46:19.000 Yeah, right.
01:46:19.000 It was on last month.
01:46:20.000 Yeah, he's great.
01:46:21.000 And they were saying, in actual fact...
01:46:26.000 Right.
01:46:32.000 Right.
01:46:34.000 Right.
01:46:51.000 And then, on the complete other end of the spectrum, you have the Clinton Foundation, which was a ruse.
01:46:58.000 It was essentially a prestige play, wasn't it?
01:47:01.000 It doesn't exist anymore.
01:47:02.000 It's gone.
01:47:02.000 It does not exist anymore.
01:47:03.000 It's going under.
01:47:04.000 Yeah, they're closing it down.
01:47:05.000 Isn't that a fact?
01:47:06.000 Please pull that up. 0.98
01:47:07.000 I'm pretty sure they said they were shutting it down.
01:47:10.000 But, I mean, Bill Clinton would take hundreds of thousands of dollars and speak at these charitable events.
01:47:17.000 They would spend a gigantic chunk of their budget to have Bill Clinton come and speak, and he would take all of it.
01:47:23.000 He would take all the money.
01:47:24.000 He wouldn't donate any of it back.
01:47:27.000 So he would take these gigantic donations from people, and then he would speak, and get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to speak.
01:47:37.000 Yeah, the speaking fees are crazy.
01:47:38.000 I mean, even the fact that Hillary Clinton was taking speaking fees from Goldman Sachs.
01:47:41.000 From Goldman Sachs!
01:47:43.000 And did not think that that would look bad. 0.99
01:47:46.000 She didn't give a fuck. 1.00
01:47:47.000 They're so stupid. 1.00
01:47:48.000 Well, I think now she gives a fuck. 1.00
01:47:50.000 Well, you know what? 1.00
01:47:51.000 Bernie Sanders drilled that, and I'm so glad he did.
01:47:54.000 But, look, it's bribery.
01:47:57.000 It's a loophole.
01:47:58.000 There's a loophole, and it's bribery.
01:48:00.000 Nobody wants to pay to hear her talk. 1.00
01:48:01.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00
01:48:02.000 She's a terrible speaker. 1.00
01:48:04.000 She's not... 0.99
01:48:05.000 Louis C.K. You know what I'm saying?
01:48:07.000 I mean, this is not Chris Rock we're talking about.
01:48:09.000 She's not a good speaker. 1.00
01:48:10.000 Nobody wants to pay money to hear her talk. 1.00
01:48:12.000 But this is the whole thing about these elite Clinton Global Initiative to shut down Lays Off 22 as donations.
01:48:17.000 But this is the Washington Times.
01:48:19.000 That's a right-wing rag.
01:48:21.000 How dare you?
01:48:23.000 That's not the only place that I saw it.
01:48:25.000 I saw it in a lot of different places.
01:48:27.000 They're shutting it down.
01:48:27.000 The top click is Snopes.
01:48:30.000 That's the conspiracy theory fact checker.
01:48:32.000 Do you know the whole story about Snopes, though?
01:48:34.000 Do you know about the guy who runs Snopes?
01:48:36.000 No. 1.00
01:48:37.000 Snopes is run by a fucking kook. 1.00
01:48:40.000 The guy who runs Snopes left his wife, he started with his wife, left his wife, married a prostitute. 1.00
01:48:46.000 A prostitute has a website where she was, as recently as two years ago, was getting reviewed for her prostitute work. 0.96
01:48:52.000 She's an escort. 1.00
01:48:53.000 And they both have a clear left-wing bias.
01:48:56.000 Clear.
01:48:57.000 Like, she's been involved in...
01:49:00.000 Well, I mean, show me any Snopes pages that say that something is true when it's not, or that say that something is false when it's not.
01:49:08.000 It's not necessarily that it's true or it's false.
01:49:10.000 There's these ambiguous areas where they always lean left.
01:49:14.000 And that's what people have stated about Snopes.
01:49:16.000 It's kind of tricky.
01:49:17.000 Okay.
01:49:18.000 But it's not...
01:49:18.000 It's simple.
01:49:19.000 It's not like this computer-controlled, objective reality measurement.
01:49:24.000 No, I understand.
01:49:24.000 But it's like PolitiFact.
01:49:26.000 It also gets accused of being left-wing, because right-wing people who are full of shit don't like being called out on it. 1.00
01:49:31.000 Fake news. 1.00
01:49:32.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:49:33.000 It's not actually...
01:49:33.000 Fake news!
01:49:34.000 I mean, I haven't seen anything on Snopes that is questionable, even if the guy is an asshole. 1.00
01:49:39.000 What did you think about that, the CNN thing? 0.99
01:49:40.000 When he pointed to the CNN reporter, you are fake news, when Trump did that.
01:49:44.000 Well, this is...
01:49:46.000 That reminded me of living in a banana republic.
01:49:49.000 It reminded me of living in Venezuela or something.
01:49:52.000 You are fake news.
01:49:53.000 Just that statement. 1.00
01:49:55.000 What the fuck does that even mean? 0.98
01:49:56.000 You're not news. 1.00
01:49:57.000 This is a goddamn person. 1.00
01:49:59.000 It's a human being. 1.00
01:50:00.000 You are fake news.
01:50:01.000 You're fake news.
01:50:03.000 Also...
01:50:03.000 But so effective.
01:50:05.000 People loved it.
01:50:06.000 You know the Thug Life meme where the sunglasses drop down?
01:50:10.000 I saw a bunch of those for him when he said that.
01:50:12.000 You are fake news, Thug Life. 0.98
01:50:14.000 I mean, did you guys in the States when you were like kids, were you like, did you have like, I know you are, you said you are, but what am I? Like that kind of bullshit? 0.99
01:50:22.000 Everybody had that, I think. 1.00
01:50:23.000 It's basically what he's saying.
01:50:25.000 Yeah.
01:50:25.000 Like people accuse...
01:50:27.000 No, you are. 0.87
01:50:27.000 Like he was elected on the back, he was elected by very, very narrow majorities in a few key swing states that had been inundated with bullshit stories on Facebook that were coming out of Eastern Europe with Russian funding Right. 0.87
01:51:00.000 And now, anyone who criticises the administration, he just pulls a, I know you are, you said you are, but what am I trick? 0.65
01:51:08.000 And says, well, that's not fake news.
01:51:10.000 You're fake news.
01:51:11.000 Your face is fake news.
01:51:15.000 What did you think about when Julian Assange implied that that young man who worked for the DNC, who was assassinated, who was shot in the back?
01:51:26.000 They tried to say it was a robbery.
01:51:27.000 Like, they left his wallet, they left his watch, they left his phone, they left all his money.
01:51:31.000 They didn't take a thing from him.
01:51:33.000 They shot him at four o'clock in the morning in the back.
01:51:35.000 Julian Assange was insinuating that this young man had been the source of the DNC leaks that showed that Hillary Clinton and the DNC conspired against Bernie Sanders in the primary.
01:51:48.000 And you don't really hear about that anymore.
01:51:50.000 That guy's dead.
01:51:51.000 He's dead and there's no investigation.
01:51:53.000 No one was found guilty.
01:51:55.000 No one was tried.
01:51:56.000 No one's looking.
01:51:58.000 That guy was killed.
01:51:59.000 I'd like to look into it.
01:52:00.000 I think Assange has kind of lost credibility by essentially becoming a conduit for the Kremlin.
01:52:06.000 Like all of, you know, WikiLeaks, we all know that the, I mean, people in security, so anytime I talk about this, people are going to respond and say, oh, you're just buying the security services line.
01:52:15.000 You're just believing what the NSA and the CIA want you to believe.
01:52:18.000 Right.
01:52:18.000 Okay, yeah.
01:52:19.000 I'm basically taking on faith the conclusions of security agencies here in the United States.
01:52:25.000 Multiple, more than a dozen different security agencies, also confirmed by the Brits, by the British Secret Service, all believe, say that they have good reason to believe, that the Kremlin was behind the hacks and that WikiLeaks released...
01:52:40.000 Must have been in cahoots with the Kremlin, because otherwise, how did they release the DNC hacks?
01:52:45.000 Well, there could have been many people that were trying to hack.
01:52:48.000 There could have been, but our secret services can see fingerprints on things.
01:52:52.000 They know how these things work.
01:52:53.000 They can see the back doors.
01:52:54.000 So do you think that Julian Assange was lying when saying that guy was part of the leaks?
01:52:59.000 He could have been one of the conduits.
01:53:01.000 He could have been one of the people that leaked it to Russia in the first place.
01:53:06.000 That's possible?
01:53:07.000 Yeah.
01:53:07.000 That's possible?
01:53:08.000 I just don't know why I would be trusting Julian Assange about any of this, because he says that it didn't come from Russia. 0.99
01:53:13.000 Well, the other thing that I would worry about with Julian Assange is that this poor fuck has been trapped in the embassy in London for so long, and he can't get out. 0.99
01:53:22.000 I think his head is... 0.99
01:53:23.000 I think he's got a problem with his head these days.
01:53:25.000 What?
01:53:26.000 How could he not?
01:53:27.000 Pam, he's back.
01:53:28.000 Pamela Anderson makes a sixth visit to lover Julian Assange as she brings vegan cheeseburgers to the Ecuadorian Embassy for the WikiLeaks Foundation.
01:53:37.000 What?
01:53:38.000 Pamela Anderson is banging Julian Assange? 0.97
01:53:40.000 My God.
01:53:41.000 Powerful Julian Assange.
01:53:42.000 Wait a minute.
01:53:43.000 Hold on a second.
01:53:43.000 Julian is trying to free the world.
01:53:45.000 I love him for this. 0.99
01:53:46.000 Pamela Anderson reveals her feelings for Assange in rambling blogs on sex and faking orgasms. 0.98
01:53:52.000 Baywatch actress and model 49 is said to have been dating WikiLeaks founder, has been stuck inside.
01:53:58.000 He's been stuck inside the embassy in Knightsbridge since 2012. Not the only thing he's been stuck inside by themselves.
01:54:05.000 Or a pussy's too big for him to get stuck. 1.00
01:54:07.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00
01:54:09.000 Well, I guess he's done well for himself for a pale, pasty Australian who's never... 1.00
01:54:13.000 What'd you just say, Jamie?
01:54:14.000 She's been visiting him there and whatnot.
01:54:16.000 For how long?
01:54:17.000 Last couple months, at least.
01:54:18.000 She's looking pretty good when you cover her up and put her all in black. 0.63
01:54:22.000 How old would Pamela Anderson be now? 1.00
01:54:23.000 He's 49. We just read it.
01:54:25.000 He's 49. He's 45. Oh, I see.
01:54:27.000 Okay.
01:54:27.000 He's 45. She's 49. She's an older woman.
01:54:30.000 Oh, dark and older.
01:54:32.000 It comes around, doesn't it? 1.00
01:54:33.000 Fuck yeah, I mean, time wins on all of us. 1.00
01:54:36.000 I look like shit compared to when I was 25. There's nothing you can do about it. 1.00
01:54:39.000 Everyone does.
01:54:40.000 Nothing you can do about it.
01:54:41.000 It just beats you.
01:54:42.000 Do you reckon we'll get to a point where science can reverse that?
01:54:45.000 It's on the way.
01:54:46.000 100%.
01:54:46.000 They've already done it in mice.
01:54:47.000 Imagine what people would pay to be able to look and feel like they did when they were 25. Well, you know that Peter Thiel guy is already getting young blood put into his system.
01:54:55.000 I don't trust that guy.
01:54:57.000 Him and Julian Assange should meet up and create some little underground empire or something.
01:55:01.000 Why don't you trust him?
01:55:01.000 I don't know.
01:55:02.000 There's something fishy about him.
01:55:03.000 He's a big Trump guy, which in and of itself is not bad, but he's a very smart billionaire Trump guy. 0.99
01:55:10.000 Billionaire gay Trump guy. 0.98
01:55:11.000 Yeah. 0.99
01:55:12.000 Weird.
01:55:12.000 And also, that whole suing Gorka until it went under.
01:55:16.000 He's a vindictive prick. 0.98
01:55:18.000 Well, they had it coming. 1.00
01:55:21.000 I mean, they outed him, and then they went after Hulk Hogan, and then the guy said that he would release a sex tape of a child, you know, if he could get away with it.
01:55:29.000 You remember that?
01:55:30.000 Yeah, I do, and I don't condone them, but I don't like setting up a precedent where very, very rich people can just...
01:55:36.000 Because this wasn't the only thing that he was suing them about.
01:55:38.000 He was basically just throwing lawsuits at them so fast that they couldn't keep their head above water, and they went under, because, I mean, how can you...
01:55:46.000 Eventually, the person's going to win a lawsuit.
01:55:48.000 I don't like the idea that media companies... 0.99
01:55:50.000 Well, they fucked up. 0.99
01:55:51.000 They went after a creep. 1.00
01:55:53.000 I mean, well, they were creeps, and they went after him, but they went after a rich guy.
01:55:58.000 Yeah, well, we live in America, which has a First Amendment.
01:56:00.000 They're supposed to be able to do that without being sunk.
01:56:04.000 But should they be able to reveal details about his life that he doesn't want public?
01:56:09.000 That's what the First Amendment is, you're allowed to talk.
01:56:10.000 Is that a First Amendment that you're allowed to go after someone?
01:56:14.000 Like, say if somebody decides to just go after you, you're not even a public person.
01:56:18.000 Is he public?
01:56:19.000 He is a public person.
01:56:20.000 How is he public?
01:56:21.000 Because people know who he is?
01:56:22.000 I don't actually know whether that was part of the defense. 0.99
01:56:25.000 So you think they should be able to just write crazy shit about you? 1.00
01:56:28.000 Unfortunately, yes. 1.00
01:56:29.000 Really?
01:56:30.000 Because that's what freedom is.
01:56:31.000 Do you think that America would be a better place if fantastically wealthy people could launch an endless string of lawsuits, whether or not they're legitimate, at media companies they don't like?
01:56:44.000 It's a good question.
01:56:45.000 It really depends on what that media company did and why they did it.
01:56:50.000 I mean, I'm no fan of Gorka's tawdry...
01:56:53.000 Like, I didn't consume any of that stuff.
01:56:55.000 I don't believe in outing people.
01:56:57.000 I don't think that they were right.
01:56:59.000 But what it says about his character is what I find troubling.
01:57:03.000 Much like Trump...
01:57:05.000 I basically don't like vindictive people who, the moment you cross them, they then spend the rest of their lives and fortune...
01:57:12.000 Like, coming back to hunt you down.
01:57:13.000 I don't think that's a mature character trait.
01:57:15.000 I see your point.
01:57:16.000 I see your point.
01:57:18.000 The question would be, what if they cost him money, and they profited from it financially, and then he... 0.77
01:57:25.000 What, by being gay? 1.00
01:57:25.000 Well, please, cry me a fucking river. 1.00
01:57:27.000 That's not the best example. 0.99
01:57:29.000 It's not the best example.
01:57:30.000 Because, you know, there's nothing wrong with being gay.
01:57:32.000 He should have just been out in the first place, right?
01:57:34.000 But that's his choice, isn't it?
01:57:36.000 Yeah, it is his choice.
01:57:37.000 I don't really believe in outing people, but on the other hand, just grow up.
01:57:41.000 Yeah, but he didn't sue them over that. 0.98
01:57:43.000 He just decided that they were cunts and he was going to go after them.
01:57:45.000 I think he did sue them about that, but that didn't work, and then he sued them on multiple occasions. 0.97
01:57:49.000 If you've got infinitely deep pockets, you will find a way to ruin people by dragging them through the courts.
01:57:56.000 So you think he should have been able to bankroll Hulk Hogan?
01:57:59.000 Do you think Hulk Hogan had a legitimate gripe?
01:58:02.000 Yeah, I think so, right?
01:58:04.000 I mean, because wasn't it the case that he didn't realize that he was being filmed at the time?
01:58:08.000 Yeah, you shouldn't be able to have a video of you having sex with somebody that you didn't know was being taken, splashed all over the internet.
01:58:14.000 Yeah, and then profit from it.
01:58:16.000 And then profit from it, sure.
01:58:17.000 So the real question was, should he have been able to bankroll Hulk Hogan?
01:58:20.000 Exactly, that's right, yeah.
01:58:21.000 Or should there be some limit to the number of, like...
01:58:26.000 Because, I mean, you would want people to be able to bankroll cases that they care about deeply, but maybe not three or four completely unrelated cases all against the same organization.
01:58:34.000 But who's to decide, right?
01:58:36.000 That's where it gets weird.
01:58:36.000 But isn't this, like, life in general?
01:58:39.000 Yeah.
01:58:40.000 It's slippery.
01:58:40.000 Yeah.
01:58:41.000 I mean, it's like we were talking about with abortion.
01:58:43.000 Like, what is it?
01:58:44.000 Is it killing a baby? 0.53
01:58:45.000 Yeah.
01:58:46.000 Or is it a medical procedure?
01:58:47.000 Can we all just agree that it's both?
01:58:50.000 I don't understand why there is...
01:58:51.000 Especially in this country, like, it's so...
01:58:55.000 So polarizing here!
01:58:56.000 Have you seen it polarizing in Europe as well?
01:58:58.000 No!
01:58:59.000 Oh, come on, man.
01:59:00.000 No!
01:59:01.000 Honestly.
01:59:02.000 Dawkins had tweeted something about it, that there was nothing...
01:59:05.000 People, like a human embryo, was essentially the same thing as a pig embryo. 0.96
01:59:11.000 It was like some ridiculous comparison to abortion. 0.98
01:59:13.000 Look, the religious right will always be crazy about the things that it's crazy about. 0.98
01:59:19.000 And...
01:59:20.000 People will always get offended on Twitter when Richard Dawkins tweets something that's unpopular.
01:59:24.000 By the way, I have an interview with him coming up.
01:59:27.000 So if you don't, let me just plug, if you don't subscribe to We The People Live, then search for We The People, all one word, in your podcast app.
01:59:34.000 I'll be talking to Sam Harris tomorrow, which will get released in a couple of weeks.
01:59:38.000 And don't shout at me for not releasing it immediately, like you did last time, Twitter.
01:59:41.000 Don't tell them not to shout at you.
01:59:43.000 That's their right.
01:59:44.000 They have the First Amendment right.
01:59:46.000 It's true. 1.00
01:59:46.000 I'm going to sue their asses. 1.00
01:59:47.000 I'm going to drag them through court. 1.00
01:59:48.000 And I'll be talking to Joe.
01:59:50.000 I'll be launching a little Ask Me Anything kind of Q&A thing.
01:59:53.000 And so I did a live event with Dawkins.
01:59:56.000 Post-stroke.
01:59:56.000 He's had a stroke.
01:59:57.000 Post-stroke.
01:59:57.000 He's great.
01:59:58.000 He's fine.
01:59:58.000 He's doing well.
01:59:59.000 Well, the stroke did not affect his cognitive function.
02:00:03.000 No.
02:00:03.000 But it did affect his ability to sing, which is interesting.
02:00:05.000 Oh, that's interesting.
02:00:06.000 Can't keep a tune.
02:00:07.000 Yeah, and so there are a few motor functions that I think it's affected, but it didn't, yeah, as you say, it didn't affect his cognitive.
02:00:12.000 So that'll be being released.
02:00:14.000 So follow at WTP underscore live on Twitter.
02:00:18.000 Nobody's going to remember this, bro.
02:00:19.000 They'll find it.
02:00:20.000 They'll find it, weird people.
02:00:22.000 Anyway, so what Richard Dawkins was saying is people are going to be angry at him on Twitter regardless of what he says, but...
02:00:29.000 I still affirm that in the States the conversation around abortion is uniquely different from the way that it is in Europe and in Australia.
02:00:38.000 It's much more of a...
02:00:41.000 It's just much more of a fault line issue.
02:00:43.000 And I wonder whether, in hindsight, it wouldn't have been better for Roe v. 0.53
02:00:48.000 Wade not to actually have been decided by the Supreme Court that way.
02:00:51.000 What?
02:00:52.000 Well, just because...
02:00:53.000 I don't know.
02:00:54.000 People are going to hate me for this as well.
02:00:55.000 Because you don't have a womb? 1.00
02:00:55.000 You fucking cisgender piece of shit? 1.00
02:00:57.000 I believe in abortion... 1.00
02:00:59.000 With your surrogate mama? 1.00
02:01:00.000 I believe in abortion rights, but I don't believe that you can find in the Constitution of the United States a right so inalienable...
02:01:11.000 Where is it in the Constitution?
02:01:13.000 The Supreme Court said there's a right to privacy, therefore there's a right to abortion because we don't want to interfere in women's affairs. 1.00
02:01:22.000 But that presupposes that the embryo isn't a human.
02:01:28.000 Right.
02:01:31.000 Right.
02:01:31.000 Right.
02:01:57.000 Well, there's a large amount of people that don't want men talking about this at all.
02:02:07.000 They don't feel like you should be able to discuss this.
02:02:10.000 That is one of the main problems in America as well.
02:02:13.000 Well, I can understand a woman being upset that a man with no stake in the game is stepping up and saying that a woman should or should not be able to have an abortion. 0.57
02:02:23.000 Well, how do I have stake in the game of whether or not, for example, murder should be legal?
02:02:29.000 Okay, this is not that.
02:02:30.000 This is something different.
02:02:32.000 No, it's not.
02:02:33.000 It's not something different.
02:02:34.000 It's a moral question.
02:02:36.000 It might be to you, but it might not be to them.
02:02:39.000 If it's just happening, like, okay, here's the morning after pill.
02:02:43.000 Is that the same as an abortion?
02:02:46.000 I don't care, because I don't think there's anything wrong with abortion.
02:02:49.000 Because you can't get pregnant. 1.00
02:02:49.000 No, I don't think there's anything wrong with abortion. 1.00
02:02:51.000 But sure there is. 0.98
02:02:51.000 If it's a nine-month-old baby, the baby's in there, and it's about to come out the next day, and you decide to open her up and stab it in the head? 0.98
02:02:57.000 This is what I'm arguing for, is a kind of incrementalism, which you were just alluding to, right?
02:03:01.000 It's not a black or white thing.
02:03:02.000 Why can't we all appreciate that it's both? 1.00
02:03:05.000 Because it's become so polarized in the United States that both positions are bullshit. 1.00
02:03:10.000 And people on both sides know that both positions are bullshit. 1.00
02:03:13.000 It's bullshit to say that it is just a women's health issue and has no ethical implications whatsoever, even if, as you say, you're talking about cutting a woman open at nine months and stabbing the embryo in the head. 1.00
02:03:27.000 It's also bullshit to say that the instant an egg is fertilized, that is a person that should have all of the rights to life that an adult should have, and that it's murder to kill a blastocyst that's smaller than the size of the head of a pin. 0.99
02:03:40.000 Right. 0.99
02:03:41.000 It's very complicated. 1.00
02:03:41.000 Both of those positions are stupid. 1.00
02:03:43.000 This is an incremental situation. 1.00
02:03:44.000 Life evolves.
02:03:45.000 It grows.
02:03:46.000 A fetus grows.
02:03:47.000 It becomes a human being.
02:03:49.000 I mean, Peter Singer, the great philosopher, also an Australian, says that under certain conditions, infanticide, the killing of babies, should be legal and could be ethical. 0.77
02:03:57.000 Well, he's an animal nut.
02:03:58.000 He loves animals more than he loves people.
02:04:01.000 Yeah, but he makes a legitimate point, which is that, you know, why does it make a difference one day after the baby is born?
02:04:06.000 Suppose you've got a premature baby that's born, you know, four weeks early.
02:04:11.000 In fact, now we can already make babies survive right around the point of viability, which is where abortion is still on the fringe of.
02:04:20.000 So say you've got a 22 or 23, 24-week-old baby.
02:04:40.000 In certain states.
02:04:48.000 Right.
02:04:49.000 Late-term abortion?
02:05:16.000 You know, he's pointing to a legitimate conundrum, a sort of moral hypocrisy on both sides of this.
02:05:22.000 It's a very complicated, slippery issue.
02:05:23.000 It's not simple black or white.
02:05:25.000 Right, and the idea that we shouldn't be allowed to think and talk about the moral quandary of this because we can't have babies.
02:05:31.000 Well, I'm not agreeing. 0.75
02:05:32.000 I think it's silly.
02:05:33.000 I'm not agreeing to that.
02:05:34.000 No, I know.
02:05:34.000 But I'm saying that is an argument that women want to take because they feel like there's this unjust...
02:05:42.000 What sort of male dominance on the female reproductive system? 0.99
02:05:55.000 Women, predominantly young women, predominantly young women of color who are in areas that have the least amount of access to safe and legal...
02:06:03.000 What do you mean predominantly women of color?
02:06:05.000 How so?
02:06:05.000 Because safe legal abortions are more difficult to obtain in places like rural Alabama than they are in places like New York City.
02:06:13.000 Yeah, but there's a lot of white people in rural Alabama. 0.98
02:06:16.000 I don't necessarily think it's a racial issue as much as a poverty issue.
02:06:19.000 Yeah, okay.
02:06:19.000 Especially things like Planned Parenthood and shutting down Planned Parenthood.
02:06:23.000 They're just going to affect people that don't have much money.
02:06:24.000 Yep, who are disproportionately people of colour as well.
02:06:28.000 Disproportionately?
02:06:28.000 In terms of the actual numbers of human beings or percentage-wise?
02:06:32.000 In terms of percentage-wise.
02:06:33.000 Right, but the actual numbers of human beings, it's not.
02:06:36.000 Right, but you can understand how it would look bad.
02:06:38.000 Well, I just think that when you add people of colour to that, it accentuates the issue and makes it even more problematic. 1.00
02:06:44.000 It makes it more of a big, left-wing, progressive issue that can't be argued against.
02:06:49.000 Do you think the optics would look...
02:06:50.000 Discrimination against people of colour.
02:06:52.000 Oh, don't want to do that.
02:06:53.000 It's people.
02:06:54.000 It's human beings. 0.93
02:06:55.000 But do you think that the optics would look as bad if all of the old white men who were writing the laws were black? 1.00
02:07:00.000 I think it all looks bad. 0.77
02:07:02.000 I don't think it'd look as bad.
02:07:03.000 Wait a minute.
02:07:04.000 Hold on a second.
02:07:05.000 You're saying that if old white men make these issues, it doesn't look as bad? 1.00
02:07:10.000 No, I'm saying it looks as bad as possible. 0.96
02:07:12.000 It looks worse. 0.98
02:07:13.000 Then if old black men were making this issue against all poor people? 0.97
02:07:17.000 Yeah, because old white men just seem to drip privilege, because every single checkbox they've got going for them. 0.97
02:07:23.000 They're both male, they're white, and they're old, and they're rich. 0.96
02:07:26.000 This is a tortured argument.
02:07:27.000 This is a very tortured argument, I think.
02:07:29.000 Clarence Thomas?
02:07:30.000 You don't think it looks weird when Clarence Thomas votes against abortion?
02:07:33.000 Yeah, I do.
02:07:34.000 Yeah, so there you go.
02:07:35.000 But I mean, my point is simply...
02:07:39.000 I take the optics as being a bad thing.
02:07:56.000 I agree.
02:07:59.000 I agree.
02:08:14.000 Right.
02:08:14.000 And she was claiming that I didn't have a right to have a conversation about it because I'm a white man.
02:08:20.000 Well, that was just the way she tried to get out of the argument. 1.00
02:08:23.000 You know, the whole thing before that was her not understanding the joke.
02:08:27.000 And she didn't want to own up to the fact that she didn't understand the joke.
02:08:31.000 And then when you sort of explained it to her, she was using the you as a white man thing to try to deny your opinion.
02:08:37.000 But don't you think it happens all the time?
02:08:39.000 I think this is exactly what you're saying.
02:08:41.000 I think we're both on the same page here in that I think we both agree that you should absolutely be able to have a conversation about this.
02:08:47.000 The question is, should a man be able to decide what a woman can and can't do with her body? 0.78
02:08:54.000 And should we be able to make the laws?
02:08:55.000 But you just smuggled in the term with her body. 0.94
02:08:57.000 Well, it is a baby if it's a blastocyst, and it is in her body.
02:09:01.000 Right, if it's a blastocyst, it's in her body. 0.74
02:09:03.000 Right, so that is a decision.
02:09:05.000 We're talking about that.
02:09:06.000 So when it gets to be an embryo or a fetus, along the way...
02:09:10.000 Somewhere along the way, it ceases to be just her body.
02:09:13.000 But an unrelated male human being, when should that person be able to make a decision?
02:09:18.000 And should a male human being be able to make a decision at all? 1.00
02:09:21.000 Because if you can make a decision about the embryo or a fetus, can you make it about the blastocyst?
02:09:26.000 Like, when can you decide?
02:09:27.000 And why should a man be able to make that decision in the first place? 0.90
02:09:30.000 Because he's got a brain, as well.
02:09:32.000 And we're all invested in deciding...
02:09:33.000 No, no, no.
02:09:33.000 You're talking about controlling someone's body.
02:09:35.000 You are talking about controlling a body.
02:09:38.000 A woman with a blastocyst inside of her. 0.99
02:09:40.000 You tell her she can't take care of that blastocyst and remove it. 1.00
02:09:43.000 She must make it viable and bring it to birth. 0.92
02:09:45.000 We're talking about when a homo sapien comes into existence.
02:09:48.000 That's a philosophical and ethical question.
02:09:50.000 No, it's not.
02:09:50.000 You're framing it as being a woman's body.
02:09:53.000 No, no, no, because we're talking about the rights, giving someone a right, or stopping them and controlling them.
02:09:58.000 If you're talking about a blastocyst inside a woman's body, and you're a man, and you decide, you don't even know this woman, you decide by your moral argument and judgment, she should not be able to terminate that blastocyst, then you are deciding what she can do with her body.
02:10:12.000 No, you're deciding what she can do to the blastocyst.
02:10:15.000 It's in her body.
02:10:16.000 Yeah, it's inside her body, sure.
02:10:17.000 It's also inside her body when it's nine months old.
02:10:19.000 So you're saying a man, unrelated man, should be able to have input on whether a woman should be able to terminate a blastocyst?
02:10:26.000 No, I'm saying that the democratic institutions of the state should be able to decide that.
02:10:31.000 I'm not talking about democratic institutions.
02:10:33.000 We're talking very specifically about a man being able to decide.
02:10:37.000 Well, if it's a dictatorship, then I don't agree with it.
02:10:39.000 I do believe that people should be able to...
02:10:41.000 I think this is something that people ought to be able to vote on, yes.
02:10:44.000 I personally, again, favor abortion rights.
02:10:48.000 But I don't think that the gender of the person who is voted into power by the voting public is relevant in terms of whether or not the voting public thinks that embryos are human beings.
02:10:59.000 Right.
02:10:59.000 I don't think that embryos have a right to life, but I don't think that it makes sense to say that an embryo is just the woman's body.
02:11:08.000 We're not talking about an embryo.
02:11:10.000 We're talking about the entire process, right?
02:11:11.000 The entire process of conception to birth, and that somewhere along the line, it becomes slippery.
02:11:15.000 What are you arguing?
02:11:15.000 Are you arguing that if there are males in positions of power in Congress, that they should have to abstain from ruling?
02:11:23.000 Should the male justices on the Supreme Court have to abstain from voting on abortion cases?
02:11:28.000 I'm arguing that it's problematic when a man decides, who cannot get pregnant, decides when a baby is actually a baby inside a woman's body.
02:11:40.000 So should men not be allowed to vote for... 0.55
02:11:42.000 I'm not saying that.
02:11:44.000 I'm just saying...
02:11:44.000 For candidates that are anti-abortion?
02:11:45.000 Don't you think it's problematic that a guy should decide whether...
02:11:48.000 Like, say if you're a hardcore right-wing Christian...
02:11:50.000 Yeah, I've already said it looks bad.
02:11:52.000 Not just looks. 1.00
02:11:53.000 Fuck looks, man. 1.00
02:11:54.000 But what does problematic mean other than looks? 1.00
02:11:56.000 Well, it's a huge issue.
02:11:58.000 It's not looks.
02:11:59.000 It's a huge issue that someone who cannot get pregnant decides that another human being that they're totally unrelated to can't make the decision that five cells that are bundled together must be brought to life.
02:12:10.000 They think that those five cells are a person.
02:12:12.000 Well, they don't even know this chick. 1.00
02:12:13.000 I mean, you're just a lot of cells.
02:12:15.000 They don't even know this person.
02:12:16.000 They don't know this person.
02:12:17.000 Why should they have any power over this person?
02:12:18.000 Well, why should they have any power over determining whether or not...
02:12:22.000 When are they controlling a person's body and when are they saving a baby?
02:12:26.000 Well, that's precisely the question, isn't it?
02:12:28.000 Right, that is the question.
02:12:29.000 Should a male have the right to determine whether or not a woman can murder her newborn baby? 0.54
02:12:35.000 That's a good question.
02:12:36.000 I say no.
02:12:39.000 At least you're consistent.
02:12:40.000 Yeah.
02:12:41.000 I don't think that you should be able to...
02:12:42.000 What if the baby's one year old?
02:12:43.000 I don't think anybody should be able to murder a baby.
02:12:45.000 I don't think a man should have the right. 1.00
02:12:48.000 I think we, society, as a society...
02:12:50.000 No, no, no.
02:12:51.000 I thought you were just saying that you think that a man should not be able to prevent a mother from killing her baby.
02:12:56.000 No, I said that wrong.
02:12:58.000 What I mean is no...
02:13:00.000 Because that is what you're saying with regard to abortion.
02:13:03.000 You're saying that a man should not have the right to prevent a woman from killing her baby.
02:13:07.000 This is a very odd conversation when we interrupt each other.
02:13:10.000 It's not going to work.
02:13:11.000 Okay.
02:13:11.000 I know what you're saying.
02:13:13.000 And I know that you're saying that we should all have a stake in this.
02:13:15.000 We should all be able to discuss this.
02:13:17.000 I just think that when you talk about, especially like a blastocyst eventually becoming an embryo, we have to agree in some way, shape, or form that you and I don't have a stake in it.
02:13:29.000 We're not going to get pregnant. 0.68
02:13:30.000 No, that's right.
02:13:31.000 It's a way bigger issue for a woman than it is for a man. 1.00
02:13:34.000 Yes.
02:13:36.000 So we agree.
02:13:37.000 We agree that it's a way bigger issue for a woman than it is for a man. 0.99
02:13:40.000 And we both agree that you should be able to discuss it.
02:13:41.000 We both agree that you should be able to discuss it, and you should be able to have this weird debate.
02:13:46.000 Where I'm coming from here is that I feel like we use identity politics to deprive other people of standing.
02:13:56.000 Right.
02:14:10.000 But in order for me to understand where people who detest abortion are coming from, it's necessary for me to make the leap of empathy and logic into their camp and see things from the way that they see them, which is that the instant an egg is fertilized,
02:14:25.000 for them that becomes a sacred question of a new life.
02:14:29.000 Where it's no longer about the woman's body.
02:14:31.000 It's now a moral and ethical question that we're all involved in because we're all involved in what our culture is allowed to do and who it's allowed to kill and how it's allowed to kill them.
02:14:39.000 So it becomes a bit more like a death penalty question where you might say, well, I'm never going to be up for the death penalty because I'm never going to do anything.
02:14:46.000 Would put me on death row.
02:14:48.000 So what standing do I have to be in favour or against the death penalty?
02:14:52.000 That's sort of a moot question.
02:14:54.000 Like, we're all in this society together.
02:14:56.000 We all have to figure out what's right and wrong.
02:14:58.000 And if we've got a brain, we should have conversations about what's good or bad.
02:15:01.000 And the fact that I'm unlikely to be in a specific scenario doesn't actually really give me less standing to have a conversation about it or even to write laws about it if people vote me into a position where I can write laws about it.
02:15:13.000 Well, I certainly think it does when you're talking about a blastocyst.
02:15:16.000 I certainly think it does when you talk about the argument of conception and when something becomes alive.
02:15:20.000 So let me ask you this.
02:15:21.000 When do you think abortion should be legal?
02:15:24.000 Do you think it should be legal up to nine months?
02:15:26.000 Or do you think it should be a cutoff period? 0.78
02:15:28.000 I think it should basically be legal all the way up to nine months, and I probably agree with Peter Singer that maybe it's occasionally okay to kill babies. 0.97
02:15:36.000 Wow! 0.95
02:15:37.000 So you think that a viable baby inside a woman's body at nine months old, she's fully pregnant, as long as that baby doesn't come out, she should be able to kill it. 0.99
02:15:45.000 Well, I'm saying even if it does come out, maybe. 0.76
02:15:50.000 But that's because I'm evil. 0.99
02:15:52.000 That's so ridiculous. 1.00
02:15:53.000 You really think a woman should be able to murder a baby? 1.00
02:15:57.000 Well, religious people think that you think that because they think that blastocysts are babies.
02:16:00.000 I'm not talking about religious people.
02:16:02.000 I'm talking about you.
02:16:03.000 Yeah, I think it's obvious that the process of going from an egg into a Joe Rogan is such a long and incremental passage that I don't see any reason why 20 weeks or 22 weeks or even vaginal birth is like the absolute moral cutoff.
02:16:24.000 Don't you think, though, that that's weird that you have this really rigid opinion on it?
02:16:29.000 I don't have a rigid opinion. 0.99
02:16:30.000 Well, you think that you could kill a baby? 0.97
02:16:32.000 You don't think that's rigid? 0.97
02:16:33.000 No, because I'm absolutely open to being convinced out of that.
02:16:37.000 It's just I happen to have read a book by Peter Singer about that, and so he's sort of convinced me. 0.98
02:16:42.000 He convinced you that you should be able to kill a baby when it's born?
02:16:45.000 Well, that there would be systems in place that would help mothers. 0.97
02:16:50.000 I don't think that it should be...
02:16:52.000 I sort of agree with Bill Clinton's old framing that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.
02:16:57.000 That you should have as many opportunities for people not to get pregnant in the first place, widespread contraception, widespread sex education, and that this should not just be a form of birth control.
02:17:11.000 On the other hand, if people find themselves in a horrible pickle, and they don't know of how to get out of it...
02:17:18.000 You think you should be able to hit the baby with a rock?
02:17:21.000 We used to do it years ago, didn't we? 0.70
02:17:23.000 Yeah.
02:17:24.000 I don't know, Joe.
02:17:25.000 It sounds pretty horrible, doesn't it?
02:17:26.000 It does!
02:17:28.000 It does.
02:17:29.000 But again, you can't get pregnant and I can't get pregnant. 1.00
02:17:32.000 That's true. 1.00
02:17:32.000 But I could kill my kids after they're born. 1.00
02:17:34.000 They're getting furious at us right now for even discussing it because of the fact that we can't get pregnant. 0.99
02:17:39.000 They're wrong.
02:17:40.000 They're wrong.
02:17:40.000 But you're right?
02:17:42.000 No, I'm right that I should be able to talk about it, but I don't know what the answer is. 0.99
02:17:47.000 You definitely should be able to talk about it, but should be able to kill a baby with a rock. 0.98
02:17:51.000 Yeah, probably. 1.00
02:17:52.000 No, probably not.
02:17:53.000 Maybe when I talk about that I'll never be on death row.
02:17:55.000 Maybe that's how I'll get on death row. 1.00
02:17:56.000 I'll end up killing my children. 1.00
02:17:58.000 It's so evil and unsympathetic and unempathetic to want to kill a baby. 1.00
02:18:03.000 Some people think that killing a blastocyst is the same joke. 1.00
02:18:06.000 It is, but you don't see that little fucker. 1.00
02:18:08.000 No, you don't. 1.00
02:18:09.000 You would have to have reading glasses on to even look at it at the head of a pen.
02:18:13.000 So as long as you put a comforter over the baby so you can't see what's happening.
02:18:16.000 I think what we're talking about is a really complicated subject.
02:18:20.000 And I think it's one of the reasons why people like to box it and put it into this yes or no, black or white.
02:18:26.000 Because it's so complicated to really sit back and think that, hey, if you have an abortion at four weeks, five weeks, six, when does it have fingers?
02:18:34.000 When does it have a heartbeat?
02:18:36.000 When is it okay?
02:18:36.000 Yeah.
02:18:36.000 It's also incredibly...
02:18:40.000 Fraught with tripwires, right? 0.84
02:18:43.000 I mean, people are not going to be happy with me saying that you should be able to kill a baby, and people are not going to be happy with you saying that you should be able to kill a blastocyst. 0.78
02:18:52.000 I think more people will hate my position, if it even is a position. 0.66
02:18:56.000 Well, when is a blastocyst?
02:18:58.000 Is that the moment of conception?
02:18:59.000 Like, how much time do you have? 0.99
02:19:01.000 It's almost like a race to kill the baby.
02:19:04.000 Well, some people don't think that you should even be able to use contraception.
02:19:09.000 Well, that's right.
02:19:10.000 And also, this is one of those things where, a bit like pedophilia, it's a subject where it's not really possible.
02:19:17.000 It raises passions so immediately.
02:19:20.000 Look at what happened to Milo Annopoulos when he was talking about his pedophilia stuff, right?
02:19:24.000 Well, he was also talking about his own personal experiences and framing them in a positive way.
02:19:29.000 Yeah. 0.77
02:19:30.000 And even saying that he was the sexual predator. 0.97
02:19:32.000 That's what he said on my podcast. 0.97
02:19:33.000 Yes.
02:19:35.000 When he was on the Drunken Peasants podcast, that's where it got more weird.
02:19:39.000 Yeah.
02:19:40.000 Because then he started framing it in a different way and saying that he thinks that there's a lot of positive benefits to a young man, I shouldn't say a young man, a boy, having a relationship with a man sexually that can help them.
02:19:56.000 And that there's positive benefits to being molested as a young boy.
02:20:00.000 I think that's obviously a horrible thing to say.
02:20:03.000 I think what was going on was he was trying to rationalize his own sexual abuse.
02:20:08.000 Hmm.
02:20:10.000 I really do.
02:20:11.000 I mean, I think in no way, shape, or form is it comfortable for a young boy to be sexually abused by an older man.
02:20:20.000 And I think that in this process of rationalization, he's created this way that's empowered him.
02:20:28.000 And he's also rationalized that he was the predator.
02:20:31.000 I mean, he keeps saying that and joking around about it.
02:20:33.000 But he was 13 or something, right?
02:20:35.000 Yes.
02:20:35.000 I think he's a victim.
02:20:36.000 And I think his...
02:20:38.000 He's a very strong, smart guy, and I think a lot of his intelligence has allowed him to use his perception of that event to sort of shape it into a way that benefits him.
02:20:52.000 Yeah, right.
02:20:53.000 Right.
02:20:54.000 I mean, I was on a TV show in Australia where there was a question of whether or not we should be naming and shaming sexual offenders, sexual predators, or people who'd been convicted of sex crimes.
02:21:07.000 And in the meeting before we went on air, because it's a live show, I raised the point that, like, I think the more sort of interesting and controversial angle here is what a...
02:21:21.000 Right.
02:21:24.000 Right.
02:21:25.000 Right.
02:21:36.000 It's surely no walk in the park.
02:21:37.000 Like, the reason I'm not a pedophile is not because I'm a good person.
02:21:40.000 It's because I have no attraction towards children.
02:21:43.000 Right.
02:21:44.000 Right? 0.96
02:21:44.000 Imagine if the only way that you could express yourself sexually and find fulfillment in life was by torturing another human being. 0.96
02:21:52.000 Like, you're basically a form of... 0.94
02:21:54.000 I don't want to...
02:21:55.000 I used the wrong word here, but it's a form of psychopathy in some way, in the sense that a psychopath can only get fulfillment by doing something that's awful.
02:22:03.000 So the job is to try to figure out how to stop the psychopath from doing something awful. 0.98
02:22:06.000 I'm not saying that pedophiles are psychopaths, but you can see the analogy, where if your only way of finding fulfillment in life is to rape children, then... 0.95
02:22:15.000 Let's address how to figure out how to stop you from doing that thing rather than demonizing you as a monster even if you don't do it. 0.97
02:22:24.000 For me to even say that, a lot of people are going to push back on that as well.
02:22:28.000 It's a very similar thing to where I'm just trying to figure out in my head what makes the most sense to me.
02:22:33.000 And as you say, it's got to be some kind of a spectrum of...
02:22:36.000 It can't be black and white.
02:22:37.000 Either on abortion or on something like pedophilia. 1.00
02:22:39.000 But the moment you start having conversations like this, shit's going to explode. 1.00
02:22:43.000 Because people are very, very, very strident. 1.00
02:22:45.000 Like, you've got to protect the babies.
02:22:47.000 We've got to protect the children.
02:22:49.000 Yes, I understand that.
02:22:50.000 But does that make it impossible for us to have conversations about it?
02:22:53.000 Right.
02:22:53.000 That's the issue.
02:22:54.000 Should you even be allowed to have a conversation about it?
02:22:56.000 And should you have a rigid black or white view of this?
02:23:00.000 Well, here's the real question.
02:23:02.000 First of all, we don't know what causes someone to be sexually attracted to children.
02:23:06.000 And we don't know how many of those people, but there's a significant amount, who are actually molested themselves.
02:23:11.000 I mean, that's a huge factor in child abuse.
02:23:15.000 So, what causes that? 0.99
02:23:18.000 And here's even more fucked up. 0.99
02:23:21.000 Throughout history, some of the greatest minds have been pedophiles. 0.99
02:23:25.000 Really?
02:23:26.000 Sure.
02:23:26.000 Socrates, Plato.
02:23:28.000 I mean, you can go back through history. 0.99
02:23:30.000 They were all fucking young kids. 0.99
02:23:31.000 Well, yeah, the Greeks were like that, weren't they? 1.00
02:23:33.000 Oh, some of the Romans.
02:23:35.000 Many ancient cultures.
02:23:37.000 I think that was adolescents, though, right? 1.00
02:23:39.000 They were fucking... 1.00
02:23:40.000 Fucking 12-year-olds. 1.00
02:23:42.000 Yeah, like... 1.00
02:23:42.000 What Milo Yiannopoulos was talking about. 1.00
02:23:45.000 It's pedophilia. 1.00
02:23:46.000 You're talking about babies, which I think is probably even more rare than someone fucking young boys. 0.99
02:23:53.000 But it's a very bizarre part of our human history. 0.99
02:23:57.000 Very bizarre.
02:23:58.000 And it makes you wonder how much of that sexual abuse gets somehow or another transferred from a child being abused to that child growing up becoming an adult and becoming an abuser themselves.
02:24:10.000 Is it a cancer of ideas?
02:24:12.000 Is it almost like a sexual disease that gets spread from perpetrator to victim?
02:24:18.000 The victim becomes perpetrator, makes new victims?
02:24:21.000 Well, do you think it's the same act now as it was back then?
02:24:26.000 It's more accepted back then.
02:24:27.000 It was more accepted back then.
02:24:29.000 So I wonder if it wouldn't have been less...
02:24:33.000 I don't know.
02:24:34.000 Maybe it's not less bad.
02:24:34.000 I'm trying to think...
02:24:35.000 So I'm talking now only about people who are sexually mature, right?
02:24:38.000 So like someone who's like a 15-year-old catwalk model, let's assume that it's a woman who's walking down the catwalks of Milan and Paris and has what she thinks is a consensual relationship with a 25-year-old fashion designer.
02:24:52.000 That's against the law, and it's regarded as being deeply unethical in our current society.
02:24:58.000 Happened all the time in other societies.
02:25:01.000 There's...
02:25:02.000 No, I'm not saying that I think that the law should be changed.
02:25:04.000 I don't.
02:25:05.000 I think it's good to have laws against these things, and I don't think that it's ethically defensible for people who are significantly older to assume that a person who is still kind of evolving and still coming of age is capable of giving proper consent.
02:25:18.000 Well, it's illegal if they're just three years older.
02:25:22.000 That's where it gets really weird.
02:25:23.000 Right.
02:25:23.000 Well, that is weird.
02:25:24.000 That's stupid. 1.00
02:25:24.000 Well, how about a week older? 1.00
02:25:25.000 Yeah, exactly.
02:25:26.000 If they're like 17 and 51 weeks and the other person's 18 in one day.
02:25:30.000 It's illegal. 1.00
02:25:30.000 That's stupid. 1.00
02:25:31.000 There's a Romeo and Juliet clause that some countries have. 1.00
02:25:34.000 Like, I think in the Netherlands, it's not against the law to have sex with people, even as young as 12 or 13, if you're 14. Oh, that makes sense.
02:25:43.000 I guess.
02:25:45.000 Well, what is the law in America if you're 15 and your girlfriend's 14?
02:25:48.000 Is that legal?
02:25:49.000 I think it's the state-by-state thing, isn't it?
02:25:51.000 But that's a good question.
02:25:52.000 Well, you would never be prosecuted, but there have been these weird cases where... 0.99
02:25:57.000 Teenagers have been prosecuted for having dick pics of not only their boyfriends or girlfriends, well, not dick pics of their girlfriends, unless they're trans, but of themselves, and they've been prosecuted for child porn because they're a child and they're holding pornography. 0.99
02:26:16.000 Yeah, I had a whole bit about it. 0.99
02:26:17.000 I had a whole bit about this girl. 0.98
02:26:19.000 Bloody ridiculous. 0.97
02:26:20.000 Yeah, they arrested her. 1.00
02:26:21.000 She was sending boys pictures of her pussy. 1.00
02:26:25.000 And they arrested her for child pornography. 1.00
02:26:26.000 She was 15 years old.
02:26:29.000 Yeah, I mean, that's a weird use of the law.
02:26:32.000 You know, like, if she's sending it to other girls and boys that are her age, it's not your business.
02:26:37.000 I mean, who are you protecting by throwing her in jail?
02:26:40.000 No one.
02:26:40.000 But it's an ability...
02:26:43.000 When you give someone a game called arrest people that are doing bad, this is...
02:26:48.000 Here's the law.
02:26:48.000 If they don't follow by the bylines, you're allowed to lock them in a cage.
02:26:53.000 And this is your job.
02:26:54.000 You're allowed to do that and... 1.00
02:26:57.000 I want you to arrest a certain amount of people per month, otherwise you're fucked. 1.00
02:27:00.000 Yep. 0.99
02:27:00.000 I mean, that's the issue with quotas and police officers. 0.99
02:27:04.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:27:04.000 I mean, it's almost like, I can't remember who I heard saying this the other day, that police used to go out and catch bad guys and, like, solve crimes, but now we've sort of outsourced to police the job of just making everything kind of nice.
02:27:18.000 Well, police are glorified revenue collectors in a lot of ways.
02:27:21.000 Mm-hmm.
02:27:22.000 I mean, why are they giving people tickets for certain traffic violations?
02:27:28.000 Yeah.
02:27:28.000 Or for smoking a plant.
02:27:30.000 Yeah.
02:27:30.000 There's a lot of things that people get arrested for where they're essentially just providing money to the system.
02:27:36.000 They're not serving or protecting.
02:27:38.000 It's funny.
02:27:39.000 It's one of the things where, when I talk to Americans about the best things about America, the number one thing that Americans will always say is freedom, that this country represents freedom.
02:27:47.000 But the actual daily experience...
02:27:49.000 Like, I've lived in New York, and I've lived in Copenhagen, and I've lived in Australia.
02:27:54.000 And, like, the daily experience of...
02:27:57.000 Like, I was standing outside my apartment in New York, drinking an open beverage, just watching the world go by, and a couple of cops came over, and one of them was like,"'Yo, what's in the glass?' What's in the glass?
02:28:10.000 And I was like, just soda.
02:28:11.000 It was vodka soda.
02:28:12.000 Just soda.
02:28:13.000 And his partner had to be like, ah, don't worry about it.
02:28:15.000 Like, come on, don't make a big deal out of it.
02:28:17.000 And they walked away.
02:28:18.000 But I was like...
02:28:19.000 Go to a park in Copenhagen.
02:28:21.000 Everyone's drinking beer.
02:28:22.000 They're not getting harassed by cops.
02:28:25.000 Isn't that a kind of freedom as well?
02:28:27.000 They're taking off their shirts and they're playing volleyball topless with their breasts hanging out. 0.60
02:28:31.000 You're talking about one specific area because if you go to New Orleans, people walk down the street drinking all the time.
02:28:36.000 Yes, and it's more free.
02:28:37.000 Yeah, if you're in Vegas, people walk down the street drinking.
02:28:39.000 Yeah.
02:28:39.000 Yeah, I mean, is it better to live in Vegas or New Orleans?
02:28:42.000 You know, some people would say yes, and other people would say, I don't want that for the children.
02:28:46.000 It's bad for the children that I might abort.
02:28:49.000 Yeah, that's right, exactly.
02:28:52.000 I don't know, man.
02:28:53.000 I don't know.
02:28:53.000 I mean, I think...
02:28:54.000 It's complex.
02:28:55.000 All these issues are very complex.
02:28:57.000 It's like, when should you just let people run free and rampant to the point where chaos ensues?
02:29:03.000 And here's another problem.
02:29:04.000 And I was talking about this with a friend of mine the other day about North Korea.
02:29:08.000 When people have become sort of indoctrinated into a specific style of life and behavior and then all of a sudden you remove the reins.
02:29:16.000 Yes.
02:29:17.000 Like when people who live in Kansas go to Vegas and...
02:29:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:29:22.000 As opposed to someone who grows up in that environment.
02:29:25.000 Or, like, say, we were looking at the North Korea footage yesterday of them goose-stepping down the street and the giant throngs of people who were following the orders and doing the bidding of Kim Jong-un. 0.61
02:29:37.000 We're saying, like, what would happen to those people if you removed this military dictatorship and gave them a democratic life?
02:29:43.000 Would they even be able to appreciate it and understand it?
02:29:45.000 Or are they so institutionalized?
02:29:48.000 Are they so indoctrinated into this very specific style of living and behavior that they wouldn't be able to adjust?
02:29:54.000 Like, I talked to Ron Miscavige about that. 0.98
02:29:57.000 You know, he got out of Scientology when he was fucking 76. I mean, stop and think about that. 0.98
02:30:03.000 The guy got in in 1970 and got out in 2012, lived the bulk of his life in this really bizarre environment, and now all of a sudden he's this free man.
02:30:14.000 I think that's right, and this is one of my concerns about laws that prevent people from doing things.
02:30:20.000 This is why I'm sort of libertarian-ish when it comes to, you know, non-economic cultural issues, because I actually think you need to inculcate in people an experience of showing restraint.
02:30:30.000 Yeah.
02:30:30.000 By themselves, because if the law always does it for you, you then remove the laws and all of a sudden everyone goes crazy.
02:30:37.000 You can't imagine that if all of a sudden street drinking were permitted in New York, that people would be vomiting all over the place and getting drunk because they've been so used to, so acclimated to never being allowed to do it, that now it's the forbidden fruit.
02:30:50.000 Let's go out and just get smashed in the park, because that's what we can do now.
02:30:54.000 You know about Amish people...
02:30:56.000 Amish people.
02:30:57.000 Yeah, Rumspringer.
02:30:57.000 Yeah, when they get to do that.
02:30:59.000 What was Hell's Playground?
02:31:00.000 Was that the documentary?
02:31:01.000 I haven't seen it.
02:31:01.000 There's a great documentary about it.
02:31:03.000 These people, they have this period of time where they're allowed to do whatever the fuck they want. 0.60
02:31:09.000 It's basically when they're in their late teens, right? 0.98
02:31:11.000 They're let loose from the Amish communities, and they're allowed to indulge. 1.00
02:31:15.000 They go hog wild.
02:31:16.000 Exactly.
02:31:17.000 They go hog wild. 0.99
02:31:17.000 They party fucking hard, and then they have to figure out whether or not they want to go back to being Amish. 0.99
02:31:22.000 And most of them do. 0.99
02:31:23.000 Yeah, strange, right?
02:31:48.000 They are important.
02:31:50.000 Institutions are like, so important.
02:31:51.000 I agree.
02:31:53.000 But it's true.
02:31:56.000 You look at places like Hungary and what we've just seen happen in Turkey and Russia and Venezuela, and it's much easier for people there who are corrupt or who would like to...
02:32:10.000 To bring people under their spell to do so, because there aren't these big, robust, divided institutions like the press being fiercely independent, the judicial system being fiercely independent, Congress and the executive hopefully hating each other just enough to keep themselves in check,
02:32:28.000 and also just the traditions of American life, where there's, I think, more acceptance of dissent and of weirdness than there are in those other places, like Russians are just very, I don't want to generalise here, but allow me to, conformist people. 0.87
02:32:44.000 Like, they've lived under tsars and fucking empires for centuries and millennia. 0.71
02:32:48.000 Like, they like following strongmen. 1.00
02:32:50.000 Americans aren't like that.
02:32:52.000 I mean, some of them are.
02:32:53.000 There is this kind of militaristic, jingoistic side to America, which is very kind of like, salute the flag and, like, say, yes, please, like, you've got to honour the veterans and everything.
02:33:02.000 Respect the president.
02:33:03.000 Yeah, exactly.
02:33:04.000 Respect the office, all that kind of stuff.
02:33:06.000 Yeah.
02:33:06.000 Yeah.
02:33:28.000 In this place, which seeps out in so many different ways in America that I think to try to corral it as a dictator would be like herding cats.
02:33:36.000 Like, it'll just never, you know, it'll never quite work.
02:33:39.000 Well, we can only hope, because if Trump has his way, he would definitely try to do that.
02:33:42.000 He would try to get all these people to do his bidding and figure out some way to dismantle all these different institutions and make it much easier for him to make America great again and just fucking force that agenda through.
02:33:52.000 Yeah, I don't even think he would think that he's doing the wrong thing, would he?
02:33:55.000 I don't know.
02:33:55.000 Do you think...
02:33:56.000 I mean, he says he admires Putin.
02:33:58.000 I mean, which is very bizarre.
02:34:00.000 I mean, it's very bizarre.
02:34:01.000 And when he compared what Putin does to what we do, that we do terrible things, too.
02:34:05.000 Like, whoa, that's crazy. 0.94
02:34:07.000 That guy murders people on the street. 0.82
02:34:09.000 Yeah. 1.00
02:34:10.000 I mean, any political opposition, he fucking kills them. 1.00
02:34:13.000 He kills reporters. 1.00
02:34:14.000 I mean, or somebody does. 0.97
02:34:15.000 I don't know if it's him.
02:34:16.000 Somebody does right outside the Kremlin, you know, on the main bridge leading to the Kremlin at night, and all of the security cameras from the Kremlin happen to go off and have their footage missing just when the murder happens.
02:34:31.000 It's amazing.
02:34:32.000 The amount of power that he wields is stunning.
02:34:34.000 Yeah.
02:34:34.000 If someone on the left in America said, oh, who are we to say that Putin is a bad guy?
02:34:41.000 Think of all the bad things that America's done.
02:34:44.000 They would get destroyed!
02:34:48.000 Just demolished, right?
02:34:50.000 That's a kind of Noam Chomsky thing to say.
02:34:52.000 You're right.
02:34:52.000 That's exactly.
02:34:54.000 America's chickens are coming home to roost.
02:34:56.000 We did this in Vietnam, and now we're no better than Putin. 1.00
02:35:00.000 Fuck that. 1.00
02:35:00.000 I mean, it's the right that's supposed to believe in American exceptionalism. 1.00
02:35:03.000 Trump isn't that.
02:35:05.000 Well, he's got a very bizarre interest in Russia, and that's one of the reasons I think why he doesn't want to release his taxes.
02:35:11.000 The real...
02:35:21.000 I wonder if part of it is, when he says that he admires someone like Putin, if it's just his sort of constitutional sense that he kind of likes Putin.
02:35:31.000 A strongman.
02:35:32.000 Isn't his whole life sort of about, I am powerful, I am rich, you're going to kneel before me?
02:35:39.000 And people who can pull that off, I think just resonate with him in some way that's more...
02:35:43.000 So I've always found the how much money does he have invested in Russia question... 1.00
02:35:49.000 Somewhat less interesting to me than, why does he want to suck Putin's dick so much? 1.00
02:35:55.000 Isn't this a convenient interpretation of what Putin represents? 0.99
02:36:00.000 Because he doesn't really have time to look at all these different things.
02:36:02.000 You know, it was revealed the other day that he's not really aware that Kim Jong-un is not Kim Jong-il.
02:36:08.000 Did you see that?
02:36:09.000 It is confusing.
02:36:09.000 There are too many Kims in the careers.
02:36:11.000 But you did see that, right?
02:36:12.000 No, I didn't see that.
02:36:12.000 No, it was like two days ago.
02:36:14.000 Yeah, there was like this ridiculous thing where he was talking about this gentleman.
02:36:18.000 He was talking about Kim Jong-un, and he was referring to conversations that Kim Jong-il has had with Bush.
02:36:23.000 Oh, God.
02:36:24.000 I mean, the whole thing, I think there's too many things to focus on. 0.97
02:36:27.000 And he's so fucking busy with himself and his business interests and the things that he's trying to push through and fucking ExxonMobil and all these different subsidiaries that he's kind of invested in. 0.99
02:36:37.000 He's got his fucking fingers in so many different pies. 0.99
02:36:41.000 He's also just not interested in the affairs of state. 1.00
02:36:44.000 He doesn't care about foreign policy and stuff.
02:36:47.000 He doesn't like learning stuff.
02:36:49.000 He's not a good reader.
02:36:50.000 Well, what's one of the big concerns is that he's not concerned with foreign policy to the point where he's putting off all these things and letting the military do their job.
02:36:59.000 Yeah.
02:36:59.000 Did you see the point that he didn't even authorize the mother of all bombs when it was dropped on Afghanistan last week?
02:37:05.000 He gave the military the option to do what they think is right.
02:37:08.000 And that's what Eisenhower warned about when he left office.
02:37:12.000 But in some crazy way, don't you feel more safe with the military doing it than with Trump doing it?
02:37:18.000 In some way, yes, absolutely.
02:37:20.000 Well, I think there's a real argument that the military has been...
02:37:26.000 That they've been held back to the point, like they have, I mean, like you're engaging in war, right?
02:37:31.000 And that there's a real argument that the people in the military make that people die because they're forced to take too many steps before they get clearance to do something when they're being attacked.
02:37:42.000 So their argument is it's better to let people who really understand war engage in war but then there's the Eisenhower argument that well you're dealing with an Institution like the military-industrial complex you're dealing with a I can think of it as an organism that survives on war There's a tremendous amount of money that gets pumped into this this thing Yeah,
02:38:07.000 this war machine. 0.99
02:38:08.000 Yep, right and then what does it want to do it wants to fuck? 1.00
02:38:11.000 We can use all the stuff. 1.00
02:38:12.000 Let's go to war. 0.81
02:38:13.000 That's right.
02:38:13.000 And have you noticed how the military contractors, have you looked at how delicately spread out around America they are?
02:38:20.000 Like, they have plants in almost every single state, so that there's always a congressperson or a senator who the military contractors can call up and be like, well, you're going to lose, like, so many thousand jobs in this little...
02:38:31.000 Of course. 0.99
02:38:32.000 You know, shit poked out. 0.99
02:38:33.000 It would make more economic sense for them to have consolidated their operations and be making all the submarines and warships in the same place. 0.99
02:38:40.000 But they make one widget in Delaware, they make another one over here, another one over here.
02:38:44.000 It's very clever.
02:38:45.000 So they've got Congress and no one's ever going to want that plant to close.
02:38:48.000 It's like most of the things that we've talked about today.
02:38:51.000 They're super complicated, and there's so many different things to consider, and there's no real one black and white answer.
02:38:58.000 When you're dealing with so many factions and so many variables and so many things, that's one of the reasons why being a president is a preposterous idea.
02:39:07.000 It is.
02:39:08.000 It is. 1.00
02:39:08.000 It's stupid. 1.00
02:39:09.000 It's ridiculous. 1.00
02:39:10.000 It's stupid, isn't it? 1.00
02:39:10.000 They have too much power. 1.00
02:39:12.000 I mean, you talk about black and white and like shades of grey.
02:39:16.000 How do you negotiate with the North Koreans and the South Koreans and the Chinese and the Japanese and the Russians about what...
02:39:25.000 What about Syria?
02:39:26.000 Well, sure, or Syria, yeah.
02:39:28.000 I mean, in some ways, what did you think of Trump hitting Syria?
02:39:34.000 Well, no one died, right?
02:39:36.000 What he did was attack airfields.
02:39:38.000 He blew up airfields.
02:39:39.000 It was a show of force.
02:39:40.000 Is it the right thing to do? 1.00
02:39:42.000 Shit, I don't know. 1.00
02:39:43.000 I don't understand exactly what is accomplished other than you blow up an airfield and they have to rebuild it. 1.00
02:39:50.000 I mean, you show people that you can do that, but we already knew you could do that.
02:39:54.000 You show people you're willing to act.
02:39:56.000 I mean, back in 2012 and 2013, I thought that Obama flubbed it by saying that we wouldn't tolerate the use of chemical weapons and then doing nothing.
02:40:08.000 Well, the reaction by the right and the left.
02:40:11.000 People were very weary of war back then.
02:40:13.000 Absolutely.
02:40:14.000 I think they've relaxed a little over that.
02:40:15.000 Yeah, when we're willing to go in again.
02:40:17.000 We took a break.
02:40:18.000 Yeah, exactly.
02:40:18.000 I'm going back in.
02:40:20.000 It's like when you go in the pool, you swim for a while, and then you come back out.
02:40:23.000 No, I'm hot again.
02:40:24.000 I want to get cool again with a nice foreign war. 1.00
02:40:27.000 There was Vietnam, and we didn't like that, and then we forgot about it long enough, so we did Iraq, and we didn't like that, but now that's kind of fading, receding into the distant past as well. 0.96
02:40:37.000 Yeah, I actually interviewed Phil Donoghue on HuffPost Live because he was a very outspoken anti-war critic.
02:40:44.000 And I was saying at the time, like, can't we be nuanced enough to make a difference, to understand the difference between the Iraq war, a full-scale invasion based on a misunderstanding or a misleading interpretation of what Iraq's capabilities in its weapons program was?
02:41:02.000 And this Syrian problem... 1.00
02:41:06.000 Which is a horrifying civil war where a dictator is gassing his own people and we didn't want to invade, but...
02:41:14.000 Drawing some kind of a line in the sand and saying, you can't do that in the 21st century.
02:41:18.000 You can't just be dropping gas canisters on kids so that they bleed out their eyes and cough up their own lungs.
02:41:25.000 That's not a way to behave, and the United States, as an exceptional nation, will do something about that.
02:41:30.000 You're right that Obama really had his hands tied because he went to Congress, and Congress didn't give him the power to do it.
02:41:36.000 But I kind of felt somehow sort of slightly vindicated when Trump did it.
02:41:40.000 Like, I was not one of the people on the left who was like, oh my goodness, what's he doing?
02:41:44.000 I was like, okay, I mean, at least that's a...
02:41:46.000 At least it's something.
02:41:48.000 I agree, but it's also an incredibly complicated situation because Assad is against ISIS. Superficially, yes.
02:42:00.000 But...
02:42:02.000 He uses ISIS as an excuse to be able to target all of his political opponents.
02:42:08.000 It's too much.
02:42:09.000 I can't take it.
02:42:10.000 It's too twisted.
02:42:12.000 It's too twisted.
02:42:13.000 And there's no way to get rid of ISIS without getting rid of Assad, because the locals in Syria who are left hate Assad, who are anti-Assad.
02:42:23.000 They hate Assad even more than they hate ISIS. So as long as Assad is there, they're going to give ISIS their sympathies.
02:42:32.000 I mean, basically, the whole ISIS thing, I think, is just a smokescreen to allow Putin and Assad to crack down on dissidents.
02:42:39.000 But isn't it also, like, a lot of the same issues that they faced when they dethroned Gaddafi in Libya?
02:42:45.000 You create this void.
02:42:46.000 What would happen?
02:42:47.000 Exactly.
02:42:47.000 And now I think it's too late.
02:42:48.000 Libya's a failed state.
02:42:49.000 Yeah, I think we've missed the boat in Syria. 1.00
02:42:52.000 What the fuck? 0.99
02:42:52.000 What do we do, President Josh Zeps? 0.99
02:42:55.000 What do we do?
02:42:56.000 We build a time machine, Joe, and we go back to 2012...
02:43:01.000 There's not much you can do.
02:43:02.000 I don't know.
02:43:03.000 There probably wasn't even much we could do.
02:43:04.000 Do you think...
02:43:05.000 Can you imagine, like, you should have, like, one president that deals with just Syria.
02:43:10.000 Like, that should be your job, 100%.
02:43:11.000 Yeah, that's right.
02:43:12.000 The idea of having a president that also deals with ExxonMobil and BP, and then also was talking to the coal people, and also was talking to the people in Silicon Valley, Well, I mean, that's why you have an administration, right?
02:43:24.000 I mean, so the Secretary of State is broadly overseeing it, and then they will have a special envoy to the Middle East who basically is the president of the United States for Syria.
02:43:34.000 Yeah, and then Sean Spicer's in charge of cleaning up lies.
02:43:38.000 I mean, he's the alternative facts president.
02:43:40.000 Yeah.
02:43:40.000 Do you think that the world would be better or worse off if America had just stayed completely out of the Middle East from, like...
02:43:52.000 I don't know.
02:43:53.000 And I don't know how you fix the problem of military dictatorships.
02:43:57.000 How do you?
02:43:58.000 How do you stop that?
02:43:59.000 How do you overthrow them?
02:44:00.000 I mean, the CIA has been battling that for years.
02:44:04.000 Or propping them up.
02:44:05.000 Or propping them up.
02:44:06.000 Or propping them up and shooting them down.
02:44:08.000 Or, you know, trying to keep that issue over there.
02:44:12.000 And keeping them from becoming big enough where they spread to the point where they become another Nazi Germany or what have you. 1.00
02:44:17.000 It's a really good question and I'm too fucking stupid to give you an answer. 1.00
02:44:20.000 Yeah, me too. 1.00
02:44:21.000 I mean, who knows?
02:44:23.000 I mean, look, it's just disturbing that something like North Korea can exist in 2017. I want to go.
02:44:29.000 I really want to go to North Korea.
02:44:31.000 I think it'd be fascinating.
02:44:32.000 Really?
02:44:34.000 Yeah, because it's like the last kind of hermit kingdom left. 0.91
02:44:38.000 It's the last true Soviet-era communist dictatorship.
02:44:42.000 You could probably go, right?
02:44:44.000 Yeah, I think you can.
02:44:45.000 I mean, but the problem is you have to be kind of...
02:44:58.000 He's so gangster.
02:44:59.000 He's so good.
02:45:00.000 I was in New Zealand, actually, listening to that episode.
02:45:18.000 Yeah, he's got 100% sense of adventure, to the point where he won't have a relationship.
02:45:24.000 He's like, it's not worth it.
02:45:26.000 It's just too much work.
02:45:27.000 But he's also an interesting case study in giving kids medication at a very early age.
02:45:32.000 He was one of the very early Prozac kids.
02:45:34.000 Oh, really?
02:45:35.000 Yeah, a Ritalin, rather. 0.99
02:45:36.000 Yeah, they hooked him up with Ritalin when he was fucking five years old, man. 0.97
02:45:41.000 From five years old to high school. 0.97
02:45:43.000 How does he feel about that now?
02:45:44.000 Terrible.
02:45:45.000 I mean, he just described it like it's horrible.
02:45:47.000 Like, he's white-knuckled his way through the day, and at the end of the day, the Ritalin would wear off and he'd be exhausted.
02:45:52.000 You know, he'd go through class, I mean, that's a good chunk of his intense personality and behavior.
02:45:59.000 It has to do with him being raised on speed.
02:46:01.000 Yep.
02:46:02.000 Which is crazy.
02:46:03.000 It's funny how it has a different impact on people who have ADD than people who don't.
02:46:07.000 Yeah, I guess.
02:46:08.000 What is ADD? I mean, it's a real thing, but how does it manifest itself in a person, and how does it manifest in a person that is formed in this environment where they're forced to be in this rigid, controlled, social experiment called school?
02:46:25.000 Well, that's right.
02:46:25.000 Why do we have a classroom?
02:46:27.000 It has to be 30 people, and they all have to be sitting in a row.
02:46:31.000 And they have to program you to have a regular job that you don't have, I don't have, he doesn't have. 0.99
02:46:37.000 There's a lot of people that don't have jobs where you have to work in a fucking cubicle like that. 0.58
02:46:41.000 Well, that's one thing that I assumed we would have gotten to today, which I'm surprised we didn't, which is like the rise of automation and robotics and stuff. 0.98
02:46:47.000 I mean, how many millions of Americans...
02:46:50.000 I think it's the largest employment sector for working class males is driving.
02:46:56.000 Yeah.
02:46:56.000 Well, self-driving cars are just around the bloody corner.
02:46:59.000 What's going to happen to the millions of Americans who make a living driving trucks and Ubers? 0.67
02:47:03.000 Well, the big solution to that that a lot of people bring up is universal basic income.
02:47:07.000 But universal basic income, you know, there's people that have a problem with that because they believe that people are only motivated by want.
02:47:14.000 And then as soon as you give them money, then they're not going to just pursue their interests.
02:47:18.000 They're going to lay around and do nothing and just live off of that money only.
02:47:22.000 Well, and this also, the question of whether or not that's right or wrong comes back to America's sort of Puritan work ethic as well, right?
02:47:28.000 The idea that it would necessarily be wrong for a person not to be doing something productive.
02:47:33.000 But, like, if the robots are doing all the work and they're producing lots of wealth, then who cares if someone's doing something productive or not?
02:47:40.000 Right.
02:47:40.000 We're worried that they're going to get mad at the people like you that are out there being ambitious and they're going to keep you in Mercedes.
02:47:45.000 Well, maybe I would sometimes not do anything as well.
02:47:48.000 I'm Australian. 0.95
02:47:49.000 We're criminals. 1.00
02:47:49.000 God damn it. 1.00
02:47:51.000 We have a saying that, thank God we were convicted by... 1.00
02:47:53.000 Thank God we were settled by convicts instead of by Puritans. 1.00
02:47:56.000 Well, it's a good point. 0.99
02:47:58.000 I mean, we're fighting off the echoes of those fucking ridiculous instincts from the Puritans that landed here. 1.00
02:48:04.000 We're still fighting that off. 0.99
02:48:05.000 I mean, that's a big part of what America is.
02:48:08.000 Yeah, I think that would be a big impediment to universal basic income.
02:48:11.000 This Puritan sense of justice, that there is justice.
02:48:15.000 And also...
02:48:17.000 I think maybe people just want work.
02:48:20.000 They want purpose.
02:48:22.000 Like, the people who were retrenched by...
02:48:23.000 But you could have purpose, as well as universal basic income.
02:48:26.000 You'd have to sort of program it into the zeitgeist of the culture.
02:48:30.000 Right.
02:48:30.000 And give people, what, voluntary ways of expressing themselves and contributing that weren't tied to their income?
02:48:38.000 Yeah, encourage people to pursue actual interests.
02:48:41.000 Like, say, if you gave people universal basic income and encouraged them to pursue artistic...
02:48:47.000 I mean, you know, whether it's writing or painting or whatever the fuck it is.
02:48:52.000 And you say, like, look, there's a lot of merit in that. 0.95
02:48:54.000 And you can do this.
02:48:55.000 Your food is bought.
02:48:56.000 You have a home.
02:48:57.000 You can eat and you can sleep.
02:48:59.000 You have a roof over your head.
02:49:01.000 Now do what you want.
02:49:02.000 What do you want to do?
02:49:03.000 I think it's a fantastic experiment, and I'm glad that there are a few little jurisdictions in Scandinavia and Canada which seem to be trying it out, because I'd be interested to know how many...
02:49:11.000 You could imagine different groupings of human psychology.
02:49:16.000 Some people will be like...
02:49:18.000 Awesome!
02:49:19.000 I don't have to worry about making money.
02:49:20.000 I'm going to become the greatest artisanal furniture maker that I can, and that's fantastic.
02:49:27.000 And then at the other end of the spectrum, there'll be people who are like, sweet, don't have to work.
02:49:30.000 I'm just going to sit at home all day.
02:49:31.000 That's fine, too, right?
02:49:32.000 As long as there aren't too many crimes.
02:49:34.000 I bet crime rate's lower because of that.
02:49:36.000 Oh, I'm sure.
02:49:37.000 I mean, just...
02:49:38.000 That's what we should be hoping for.
02:49:39.000 And the idea, the real good argument for universal basic income is that the money that you spend giving people a certain universal basic income, you would save money from people going to jail, juvenile detention, medical issues, all sorts of issues that come out of poverty.
02:49:57.000 There's a lot of issues that come out of poverty that are directly connected to that.
02:50:00.000 Yeah, this is one of the arguments for welfare as well.
02:50:02.000 I mean, people who say that it wouldn't have any impact on crime, I would just say, look at the different countries in the world that have more or less generous welfare systems.
02:50:11.000 And the ones with more generous welfare systems do tend to be more peaceful places.
02:50:16.000 There might be other reasons as well.
02:50:18.000 I think they're correlated.
02:50:20.000 And I think also one of the things that I try to do, I really try to support people who make things.
02:50:26.000 People who make things by hand.
02:50:28.000 Companies that make stuff.
02:50:30.000 I like when people make stuff.
02:50:32.000 I like when people pursue, like this table, made by an artist.
02:50:37.000 I like when people make handmade knives.
02:50:41.000 I like that stuff.
02:50:42.000 I think people get deep satisfaction in doing things like that.
02:50:46.000 Yeah.
02:50:47.000 You know?
02:50:47.000 Like Russell built, the guy who made that clock right there.
02:50:50.000 That's a handmade clock. 1.00
02:50:52.000 That dude built that fucking thing. 1.00
02:50:53.000 Stunning. 1.00
02:50:54.000 That one, this TGT Studios, it built that right there.
02:50:57.000 That's a handmade clock too. 0.99
02:50:58.000 I try to support that shit as much as possible. 0.99
02:51:01.000 I think that that is the future. 1.00
02:51:04.000 When I look at that clock, I know a guy made that.
02:51:07.000 Yeah.
02:51:08.000 That means something to me.
02:51:09.000 Yeah.
02:51:09.000 It's cool.
02:51:10.000 It's cool.
02:51:10.000 It is also a really cool looking clock.
02:51:12.000 It's pretty dope.
02:51:12.000 If you asked me to make a clock, Wouldn't know where to start, Joe.
02:51:16.000 Well, you would figure it out.
02:51:18.000 I would.
02:51:18.000 If you gave you enough time and books and all that stuff.
02:51:21.000 But it might not be a clock for you.
02:51:23.000 It might be that Buddha sculpture.
02:51:25.000 Somebody made that and sent it to me.
02:51:27.000 That's great.
02:51:27.000 I mean, there's a lot of things that people can make that other people would enjoy.
02:51:31.000 And I think artisanal goods and services and things that people do that are handcrafted, they have a special meaning to them.
02:51:40.000 That people, they value.
02:51:42.000 Versus something that's mass produced.
02:51:44.000 I wonder if enough people can find self-expression through that to counteract the job losses that are resulting from and will continue to result from technological advance.
02:51:55.000 Well, I think that with universal basic income is possible.
02:51:59.000 But I think making things is not necessarily the only way to do it.
02:52:02.000 I mean, it's making art, being creative, encouraging people to think of that as an actual way to live.
02:52:08.000 Yeah.
02:52:09.000 That's a big impediment and a big hurdle that people have to get over.
02:52:14.000 It's like the North Korea thing that you were saying.
02:52:15.000 Like, if you got rid of the North Korean regime, would the people who lived under it have the scope, have just the mental scope to know what to do with themselves? 0.86
02:52:23.000 In some ways, it's a comparable question with capitalism, right?
02:52:26.000 If you took away the capitalist incentive to work and all of a sudden everybody was liberated and had a basic income that gave them all the sustenance that they need...
02:52:34.000 Right.
02:52:35.000 Would they have the horizons available to them, having been raised in this idea of, like, you've got to work, got to climb your way up the ladder, got to get a nine-to-five job, go to college, get an education, you know, please the boss, get your promotion, to have all of that suddenly fall away and be like, you know what,
02:52:50.000 just go and make clocks.
02:52:52.000 We'll pay you anyway.
02:52:52.000 Some people would figure it out, but other people would be like lottery winners.
02:52:56.000 They'd just go crazy.
02:52:57.000 Yeah.
02:52:58.000 Like lottery winners almost universally lose all their money.
02:53:00.000 I know, and they end up unhappier.
02:53:02.000 Yeah.
02:53:02.000 Yeah!
02:53:03.000 Because everybody's mad at them.
02:53:04.000 Because if you win $5 million in the lottery, everybody goes, Josh, come on!
02:53:09.000 It's free for you!
02:53:10.000 I got bills, bro!
02:53:11.000 Hook me up! 1.00
02:53:12.000 And then people start, look, you and I are going to do a business.
02:53:15.000 We're going to paint cars. 1.00
02:53:16.000 And you're like, fuck, I don't want to paint cars. 1.00
02:53:18.000 And next thing you know, you're loaning money out, and family wants money from you, and you're just dealing with a lot of bullshit. 1.00
02:53:23.000 And also you have expectations immediately after winning that things are going to get a lot better.
02:53:27.000 And as you know from anyone who has paid attention to the process of their own consciousness, whether that's through psychedelics or flotation tanks or what Sam Harris and Dan Harris were talking about recently about meditation, your conscious perception of life is not determined by what's going on outside.
02:53:46.000 It is trivially, occasionally, in the short term.
02:53:51.000 But in the long term, your actual happiness...
02:53:53.000 It comes from within.
02:53:55.000 But people always take the path of least resistance and oftentimes the path of least resistance is these patterns that we've carved into our behavior These behavior patterns that we've carved into our psyche and a lot of times those aren't even the path of least resistance They become the path of more resistance,
02:54:11.000 but we're so accustomed to those paths that we think of them and treat them as if they're the right path hmm Mind blown. 1.00
02:54:19.000 Fucking man. 0.99
02:54:21.000 There's no answers. 1.00
02:54:22.000 There's no answers to abortion. 0.97
02:54:23.000 There's no answers to North Korea. 1.00
02:54:25.000 We didn't figure out shit. 0.99
02:54:27.000 It's not the point, Joe. 0.99
02:54:28.000 It's not the point to figure it out.
02:54:32.000 Let's end this and do yours.
02:54:34.000 Yeah, wonderful.
02:54:34.000 I want to talk to you.
02:54:36.000 I'm going to do a quick round of questions and also talk about extraterrestrials on my podcast with Joe. 0.98
02:54:42.000 Josh motherfucking Zeps, ladies and gentlemen. 1.00
02:54:44.000 Thank you, sir. 0.98
02:54:44.000 Always a great time. 0.98
02:54:46.000 I love you.
02:54:46.000 Oh, I love you too, brother.
02:54:48.000 Alright, we'll be right back with Josh Zeps.