The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #981 - Josh Barnett

00:00:00.000 As soon as we go live, five seconds.

00:00:05.000 Now, Josh was just telling me about how he's going to start his own cult.

00:00:08.000 Yes.

00:00:08.000 For sure, absolutely.

00:00:10.000 You know, everything else just seems like fucking work to me, so... 0.98

00:00:14.000 Yeah, starting your own cult if you can pull it off. 0.95

00:00:16.000 The key is to not take it too far.

00:00:18.000 Don't get too crazy, you know?

00:00:19.000 I don't know if I have that ability, though, man.

00:00:21.000 I'm sitting here wearing...

00:00:22.000 You know, black metal t-shirts and, you know, listening to crazy-ass music. 0.81

00:00:26.000 I think taking it too far is kind of in my nature.

00:00:29.000 You still driving the muscle car?

00:00:30.000 Oh, yeah.

00:00:30.000 Every day, man.

00:00:31.000 All about muscle cars.

00:00:32.000 Muscle car plus, in this traffic, still drives a manual.

00:00:36.000 Yeah.

00:00:37.000 That's gangster.

00:00:38.000 Yeah, six-speed.

00:00:38.000 Is that your method of your number one method of transportation?

00:00:42.000 If you're driving a man, respect. 0.99

00:00:43.000 Driving a manual transmission in fucking Orange County. 0.99

00:00:46.000 You still in Orange County? 1.00

00:00:47.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:00:47.000 I've been out in Orange County for a while.

00:00:49.000 Where are you at now?

00:00:50.000 I was in downtown for a while, and now I live in Hollywood.

00:00:53.000 Like a vampire.

00:00:54.000 Kind of, also getting a lot of extra sparring in, you know, with hobos and knives and stuff like that.

00:01:00.000 Oh, were you in, like, the bad area of downtown?

00:01:02.000 Is there...

00:01:03.000 Well, you know what?

00:01:04.000 Here's the thing about the bad area of downtown.

00:01:05.000 It doesn't stay in the bad area of downtown.

00:01:08.000 That's so true!

00:01:09.000 You know?

00:01:10.000 It's like, oh, this is a really nice...

00:01:12.000 Oh, we got our quaint little lofts and la-di-da. 0.95

00:01:14.000 It's like, by the way, you see that schizophrenic crackhead? 1.00

00:01:18.000 He's going to fuck your shit up. 1.00

00:01:20.000 It's like Hancock Park. 1.00

00:01:22.000 You know where Hancock Park is? 0.99

00:01:24.000 Hancock Park is fucking amazing. 0.98

00:01:26.000 It's like one of the most beautiful sections of LA. But you can go two blocks down and you've got gang graffiti. 0.99

00:01:31.000 Like two blocks down, you're in some sketchy area. 0.98

00:01:36.000 As soon as you get out and you start going east further, you get some fucking sketchy neighborhoods within a mile of these... 0.93

00:01:43.000 Like, 1920s mansions of old Hollywood money. 0.93

00:01:46.000 I mean, those things are incredible.

00:01:47.000 Right.

00:01:48.000 And to me, it's just like, wow, it's the most fantastic tourist guide ever. 0.99

00:01:53.000 Like, hey, come to L.A. You might get fucked, or you might not. 0.99

00:01:57.000 Please roll the dice. 0.99

00:01:58.000 Let's see how this works out.

00:02:00.000 Yeah, if you want to walk through downtown L.A., You could take a wrong turn in being a Walking Dead episode.

00:02:06.000 You could be just strolling down 7th.

00:02:08.000 Everything's looking great.

00:02:10.000 You're passing 7 Grand and Molo and all this stuff. 0.99

00:02:14.000 And then all of a sudden, oh shit, where the hell am I? That guy's got a tent, but I don't really think he's camping. 0.98

00:02:21.000 Yeah, people who think that their downtown is fucked up, you don't even know what fucked up is. 0.99

00:02:26.000 You need to see Skid Row. 0.99

00:02:28.000 I've shown people Skid Row, and they go, that's not real.

00:02:30.000 I go, no, that's real. 1.00

00:02:31.000 It looks fake as fuck. 0.99

00:02:32.000 It looks like an episode of The Walking Dead. 0.99

00:02:34.000 Now, the first time I drove through it, And there was like some...

00:02:37.000 I'm seeing all these just people just milling about.

00:02:40.000 And it must have been later in the night.

00:02:43.000 Like, not super late, but getting to probably six or seven.

00:02:47.000 Because at some point, there's this mission or something down there.

00:02:51.000 And it's got this gated courtyard.

00:02:53.000 And at some point, they closed that gate.

00:02:55.000 And there was just people inside the courtyard.

00:02:56.000 And there were people outside of the courtyard that were clamoring to get into this thing.

00:03:00.000 And it was just insanity. 1.00

00:03:02.000 I go, fuck, man. 1.00

00:03:03.000 This is straight out of some sort of Dawn of the Dead... 1.00

00:03:06.000 So is the gate, like, if you get in by a certain amount of time, you're locked in for the night?

00:03:09.000 You can stay in there, yeah, I guess. 0.99

00:03:10.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:03:12.000 So, like, some people, like, they gotta get away from the crazy people on the street? 1.00

00:03:15.000 I guess, or they'll probably get someplace to sleep and eat and what have you, you know, and, you know, tell each other psalms. 1.00

00:03:22.000 Isn't it weird that we look at people like that and we'll go, yeah, you're a loser. 0.97

00:03:26.000 Like, all you people, we're not gonna help you. 0.71

00:03:28.000 Well, and see, it's easy to do that because to look at the situation on a far more complex level, you know, looking for what all the issues that can write into this.

00:03:40.000 I mean, a majority of these people are probably mental health, you know, issues.

00:03:43.000 Patients, sure.

00:03:44.000 So they're...

00:03:46.000 We're crazy to simplify it.

00:03:48.000 And then they get into these, you know, let's say drugs come into play or other things.

00:03:51.000 I mean, they just they need help, right?

00:03:53.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:03:54.000 And there are some people there that maybe they are just total fucking down and outers that they just gave up on life in one way or another or got hooked on something or hooked on something else. 0.94

00:04:03.000 But I mean, at the end of the day... 0.98

00:04:06.000 It's much easier for people to just look at it as, like, these guys are losers, there's losers of the system, and I'm some sort of a winner.

00:04:14.000 But, I mean, in a way, some of these people were born losers then, I guess, because they didn't get to choose to be born with schizophrenia or any of these other sort of things.

00:04:23.000 Yeah, abusive childhoods.

00:04:24.000 There's a whole host of factors.

00:04:27.000 That plays into someone being like that, but it's weird how we get to...

00:04:29.000 Someone gets to a certain age, like you're 35 and you're a homeless person.

00:04:32.000 Sorry, dude.

00:04:33.000 Can't help you.

00:04:34.000 If you're like 10. If you're 10 on the street and you're homeless, we're like, oh, come on, buddy.

00:04:38.000 You're a little scamp. 0.71

00:04:38.000 I'm going to help this little guy. 0.71

00:04:39.000 You're a little scamp. 0.73

00:04:39.000 Yeah, he was just... 0.73

00:04:40.000 His parents left him and he didn't have any food.

00:04:43.000 He's got a really cute newsboy cap.

00:04:45.000 He just seems so scrappy.

00:04:46.000 You know, I think I'd like to make him my sidekick.

00:04:48.000 And we're going to travel around the world.

00:04:50.000 He's got a dog that travels with him everywhere.

00:04:51.000 Yeah.

00:04:51.000 He's got a bag on the end of a stick.

00:04:53.000 Yeah.

00:04:54.000 Look at that bindle, man.

00:04:55.000 He's been places.

00:04:56.000 That was the move that they had.

00:04:58.000 We're looking at video right now on YouTube.

00:05:01.000 What's the name of this video?

00:05:02.000 Pulled up like Skid Row. 0.99

00:05:04.000 It says homeless on Skid Row in Los Angeles, all in caps, and it's fucking crazy. 0.89

00:05:09.000 It's a whole series of homemade tents that these people put together. 0.98

00:05:14.000 They've created these little apartments, little structures, and they're on the street.

00:05:19.000 I mean, this is a pretty good...

00:05:22.000 Video of it just shows you how weird it is, but it's way crazier at night.

00:05:26.000 This just shows you, we're just looking down one street.

00:05:29.000 Yeah, and we're only looking at a few structures.

00:05:31.000 It's like a little square radius of streets that encapsulate this area.

00:05:39.000 You know, I mean, some people are like, well, oh yeah, it's not really that dangerous.

00:05:42.000 I'm like, well, I guess it really depends on the person.

00:05:44.000 Personally, I wouldn't stroll around down there.

00:05:46.000 I feel like I'll be all right, but why increase my likelihood of having some sort of issue? 0.62

00:05:51.000 Especially if somebody is literally crazy. 0.99

00:05:55.000 It's really not a matter of whether they're a jerk or whatever. 1.00

00:05:58.000 It's just they're operating in an unstable, irrational way. 0.99

00:06:03.000 So there's no way to...

00:06:05.000 To negotiate that very well.

00:06:06.000 No way to negotiate it.

00:06:07.000 No way to even know if it's gonna happen.

00:06:09.000 Right.

00:06:09.000 And when someone's completely bonkers, is this some guy doing it on his bike?

00:06:13.000 Whoa, that dude's got skills.

00:06:15.000 He's got some bike skills.

00:06:16.000 But he's got pegs on the front of his bike.

00:06:18.000 Yeah, he does.

00:06:19.000 See?

00:06:20.000 What is a peg?

00:06:21.000 Oh, the bunny pegs in the front.

00:06:23.000 So maybe he could pick up a guy, grab one homeless dude, put him on the front, and then they could go run around.

00:06:29.000 Is that not impressive?

00:06:31.000 That handlebar thing he just did? 1.00

00:06:32.000 That shit's incredible. 1.00

00:06:34.000 Bart, yeah. 1.00

00:06:35.000 It's just, it's not incredible?

00:06:37.000 No, I was going to say, I can't do it, but...

00:06:38.000 But is that like a standard move?

00:06:40.000 Josh Barnett, do you know how to ride a bike?

00:06:41.000 You know, I do know how to ride a bicycle.

00:06:43.000 Probably not to the level of this guy.

00:06:45.000 He keeps doing that. 0.99

00:06:47.000 Flipping the bar around, that's fucking, that's pretty wild. 0.99

00:06:50.000 It's like having a fidget spinner. 1.00

00:06:52.000 Except if you fuck it up, you're falling down. 1.00

00:06:54.000 You're just eating shit and losing teeth. 1.00

00:06:57.000 Yeah, I don't ride bikes much. 1.00

00:06:58.000 Like that, bam. 1.00

00:07:00.000 That shit's incredible. 1.00

00:07:01.000 He's using it to camera edit, too. 1.00

00:07:02.000 It sure is.

00:07:04.000 Wow.

00:07:05.000 Whee! 1.00

00:07:08.000 Oh, that's pretty slick.

00:07:09.000 Yeah, it's an interesting dynamic, and then it's not a simple situation to solve either, right?

00:07:15.000 You know, it's like some people would easily just look at it like, oh, just get rid of them.

00:07:19.000 It's like, well, you can't just do that with somebody.

00:07:20.000 I mean, that's not the way to do it.

00:07:22.000 Is there a way to reprogram someone?

00:07:24.000 I think it...

00:07:26.000 I forget who the quote was by.

00:07:28.000 Some famous dude.

00:07:30.000 Frederick Douglass?

00:07:31.000 But he said it's much easier to raise good children than to repair broken men.

00:07:36.000 I can believe that. 0.97

00:07:38.000 It's always harder to take a fighter with a bunch of bad habits and try to cure them of that or re-establish new good habits than it is to just start off teaching them something correct from the fucking get-go.

00:07:50.000 Yeah, you always see that for whatever reason with kicking technique.

00:07:53.000 Kicking technique, like a lot of guys that come from like bad backgrounds, they have a really hard time, like maybe karate to Muay Thai, real hard time transitioning over.

00:08:02.000 And like I would see it even in Taekwondo, guys who came from a karate background didn't understand the importance of raising the knee up above the hip.

00:08:10.000 It's like when things got weird, they couldn't pick their knee up for certain kicks.

00:08:13.000 And it also, I guess it would depend a lot on the style of karate.

00:08:16.000 So like one of my guys, Shohei Yamamoto, is a...

00:08:20.000 He's a junior world champion in Kyokushin.

00:08:23.000 He was the youngest ever to compete in the World Openweight Tournament at 18 years old.

00:08:27.000 Wow.

00:08:28.000 And he was like 190 pounds when he did it.

00:08:32.000 180 at 18 years old, just fighting. 1.00

00:08:34.000 Holy shit. 0.99

00:08:35.000 You know, like your Glover Teixeira's and guys like that. 0.99

00:08:38.000 Yeah, Kyokushin's crazy, too, when you watch those guys punch full blast the body, but kick to the head, like not punching to the face.

00:08:44.000 Yeah. 0.72

00:08:44.000 I don't know where that really came about necessarily, but yeah, you can kick him full on in the face, knee him in the face, things like that, but don't throw a punch to the face. 0.72

00:08:53.000 You know what it's like?

00:08:54.000 His kicks are pretty awesome.

00:08:54.000 It's like the next level of Taekwondo.

00:08:56.000 It's like Taekwondo, they said you couldn't punch to the face, but you could kick above the waist.

00:09:01.000 And Kyokushin was like, how about we kick the legs too?

00:09:03.000 And elbow. 0.96

00:09:04.000 And elbow. 0.96

00:09:05.000 Okay, okay.

00:09:06.000 So it's better.

00:09:07.000 Plus, it doesn't get stopped as much.

00:09:09.000 Even though Taekwondo is supposed to be continuous, like Olympic style.

00:09:13.000 Guys clinch.

00:09:14.000 Yeah, they clinch or a point gets scored and the ref will kind of, you know, there's always these little breaks that seem to happen.

00:09:20.000 Yeah, it's interesting because I always feel like for little kids especially, what's really good about Taekwondo is the same thing that's really good about gymnastics and even like cheerleading.

00:09:30.000 Yes, body control and flexibility and yeah, there's all kinds of great...

00:09:33.000 Right.

00:09:34.000 I think Taekwondo can be really great for that as well.

00:09:36.000 I think a lot of, if you're going to do Taekwondo, or really a lot of these traditional martial arts, it really depends on that teacher.

00:09:44.000 That makes it or breaks it.

00:09:46.000 I mean, you could have some old...

00:09:48.000 Take you on like gnarly old Korean dude who is going to teach you how to punch the face and throw people and all kinds of stuff but maybe gear your competition training towards the rule set that's allowable but or you could just have some dude that just wants you to flip around and scream to get your points which is the most ridiculous it's almost up there with like flopping and soccer Dude flopping in soccer has hit some new levels lately. 1.00

00:10:11.000 People, they know that I think it's hilarious if some dude sent me one, and the guy doesn't even get hit.

00:10:16.000 The other guy like throws his hand back and doesn't even come near him.

00:10:18.000 And the guy launches himself through the air, writhing on the ground.

00:10:23.000 I mean, it's just like, I've never seen anything like it.

00:10:26.000 What is it that, how does one graduate to that level?

00:10:32.000 I'm out here, I'm playing a sport at, let's say, the highest level, and I'm competing against other incredible athletes, and we train our asses off, and we develop all these skill sets, and we get so good at handling a ball with our feet, and not even for foot fetish stuff,

00:10:48.000 but just to play this game.

00:10:51.000 I'm going to now concede and completely destroy all the toughness, all the grit, all the things that I've developed mentally to be able to run and kick and do all this stuff and build up all these wind sprints. 0.78

00:11:05.000 And then I'm just going to see a guy swat his hand at me and then I'm going to fling myself from the ground and scream bloody murder. 0.75

00:11:12.000 They flap like fish. 0.91

00:11:14.000 I don't get it.

00:11:15.000 They flap around the ground and twist and writhe in agony.

00:11:19.000 There's like a mental disconnect that has to happen. 0.79

00:11:22.000 I'm going to bitch myself out right now. 0.84

00:11:25.000 I'm going to completely just destroy every element of toughness within me. 0.83

00:11:30.000 I think they're just willing to do anything to get some sort of an advantage.

00:11:33.000 And I don't understand soccer.

00:11:35.000 I don't know the rules.

00:11:35.000 So I don't know what kind of an advantage you would get if you fouled.

00:11:38.000 Penalty shots.

00:11:39.000 Yeah.

00:11:39.000 So you would get pretty close to the goal.

00:11:41.000 Yeah, they get to take a shot on goal or something like that.

00:11:43.000 That's pretty sweet.

00:11:44.000 It is.

00:11:45.000 That's worth too much.

00:11:46.000 Personally, I just couldn't do it.

00:11:48.000 Couldn't do it.

00:11:49.000 I think it's worth too much.

00:11:50.000 I think what you've got to do is if somebody does foul you, if somebody actually fouls you, that guy just gets removed and they bring in a new player.

00:11:58.000 It seems pretty simple.

00:11:59.000 Well, yeah, yeah.

00:12:00.000 Reduce the element there in terms of what the reward is and the risk.

00:12:05.000 Or you see people flopping, penalize them.

00:12:08.000 Right.

00:12:09.000 100%.

00:12:09.000 Yeah, that guy, for a year...

00:12:11.000 Yeah, you're slowing the game down, and you're making us look like shit, so stop. 0.99

00:12:16.000 People are talking about you on podcasts, bro. 0.99

00:12:18.000 It's not good.

00:12:19.000 People don't watch soccer.

00:12:21.000 They're ridiculing us.

00:12:21.000 They have no idea what happened in that game.

00:12:23.000 That game might have been for the championship of the world between the two greatest teams of all time.

00:12:27.000 I don't know about that.

00:12:28.000 Nah.

00:12:28.000 I just know that dude flopping around.

00:12:29.000 What are you laughing at, Jamie?

00:12:30.000 This referee flopped on this video.

00:12:32.000 A referee flop? 1.00

00:12:33.000 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

00:12:34.000 Do they call it flopping or are we making that up? 0.99

00:12:36.000 No, it's called flopping.

00:12:37.000 They call it flopping?

00:12:38.000 In soccer, they actually call it taking a dive.

00:12:40.000 Oh.

00:12:41.000 Taking a dive.

00:12:42.000 That's the English way to say it.

00:12:43.000 Alright, alright.

00:12:44.000 Oh.

00:12:44.000 Oh, no way.

00:12:46.000 Oh, my God.

00:12:48.000 I'm going to back it up a little bit.

00:12:50.000 That is hilarious.

00:12:53.000 Are you kidding?

00:12:55.000 Oh, my God.

00:12:57.000 But watch this one.

00:13:00.000 That is hilarious.

00:13:02.000 Oh, I'm so hurt!

00:13:03.000 Oh, God.

00:13:04.000 And the guy standing right there, that's the thing, you know, the ref has to just...

00:13:08.000 Which knee did he grab?

00:13:09.000 Did he grab the right knee or the left knee?

00:13:11.000 Oh, now they flop out of a huddle?

00:13:13.000 Did he land on his right knee?

00:13:15.000 Okay, that guy might have blown his knee out.

00:13:17.000 Hold on, go back to the ref. 1.00

00:13:19.000 Because the ref might have blown his knee out. 0.96

00:13:21.000 Because I'm looking at the way he falls.

00:13:23.000 Like, watch the...

00:13:24.000 Not this guy.

00:13:25.000 The next guy.

00:13:26.000 That guy.

00:13:28.000 Here, watch this.

00:13:29.000 Nah.

00:13:30.000 He's standing around, then he leaps onto the ground.

00:13:32.000 One more time.

00:13:34.000 And he starts grabbing his shin.

00:13:36.000 No, I think he's grabbing his knee.

00:13:38.000 Nah, he's grabbing his shin. 1.00

00:13:39.000 He might be a bullshit artist. 1.00

00:13:40.000 He's fucking bullshit. 1.00

00:13:41.000 I mean, look at these guys. 1.00

00:13:42.000 This guy flops out of a huddle. 0.99

00:13:43.000 That's ridiculous. 0.99

00:13:45.000 It's almost as if these guys are so... 0.96

00:13:49.000 So attuned to any touch that once they feel it, they immediately just dive.

00:13:54.000 They fall down.

00:13:55.000 They cry.

00:13:56.000 That was just a guy tripping.

00:13:57.000 If it's in that box, that's where you get the penalty shot, and that can literally change the whole game.

00:14:01.000 Oh, he didn't even touch him.

00:14:04.000 He just fell on his own right next to him.

00:14:06.000 Oh, so they just try to fall down and get hurt.

00:14:09.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:14:11.000 So what's that?

00:14:11.000 The guy just stopped, and the other guy used him as a tripping mechanism.

00:14:15.000 Because if you can get the right card, you can get a guy taken out of the game and then you're at a huge advantage for the rest of the game.

00:14:20.000 Like if you can manipulate a ref in an MMA fight, which you kind of can I suppose, but you can't get the other guy just DQ'd all the time.

00:14:27.000 There's definitely rules for that.

00:14:29.000 And here you just gotta trick a guy.

00:14:31.000 Did you see that? 0.85

00:14:32.000 There's like an understood of like, yeah, we're fucking with the game right now. 0.81

00:14:36.000 We're pretending to be hurt all the time. 0.78

00:14:38.000 This is hilarious!

00:14:40.000 What is the name of this video, Jamie?

00:14:41.000 This is just like Best Flops or Funny Dives of 2017. 2017 Funny Dives and Simulation.

00:14:47.000 That's just this year.

00:14:48.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:14:50.000 Well, see, some of them, they're exaggerating.

00:14:52.000 This is not the best edit because some of these guys are just getting tripped.

00:14:56.000 I mean, they're just falling.

00:14:57.000 Like, that guy's just falling. 1.00

00:15:00.000 Like, this is a stupid edit. 0.99

00:15:01.000 These are also the best athletes of all time. 1.00

00:15:03.000 Like, they shouldn't be just falling.

00:15:05.000 Oh, okay.

00:15:05.000 I see what you're saying there.

00:15:06.000 Yeah, but people fall, you know?

00:15:08.000 I mean, the other ones, there's so many of these that are like that. 1.00

00:15:12.000 That shit is so ridiculous. 1.00

00:15:13.000 Look, oh my god, I can't take it. 1.00

00:15:16.000 I mean, that shit is so funny. 1.00

00:15:18.000 It's like there's a culture of falling. 1.00

00:15:21.000 And pretending you're hurt.

00:15:22.000 There's a little...

00:15:23.000 They could be...

00:15:23.000 I mean, I don't know if they really are, because it probably takes away from their stature as an athlete, but getting in these videos where you're just getting shown all over the internet again and again and again...

00:15:32.000 Honestly, a couple of these were guys doing goofy stuff and then laughing about it as like, ha ha ha ha.

00:15:37.000 Like, this is just what we do.

00:15:38.000 We pretend to be hurt all the time.

00:15:40.000 And so it's some sort of an accepted culture with...

00:15:42.000 Oh, my God.

00:15:43.000 The guy just falls down.

00:15:45.000 It's accepted within the culture of playing the game, as much as I can understand.

00:15:51.000 Now that guy taking a dive made sense because he saw the other dude rolling.

00:15:54.000 Oh, that's great.

00:15:55.000 Now these guys just touched faces and then fell to the ground like they got hit with meteors.

00:16:01.000 Like there's snipers out there just in the audience just picking them off.

00:16:06.000 It's so crazy.

00:16:07.000 They just fall down like in agony.

00:16:09.000 Oh, look at this guy.

00:16:10.000 He's like, look at this guy just falling down.

00:16:12.000 What are you doing?

00:16:12.000 You're doing that thing!

00:16:15.000 Stop doing that!

00:16:18.000 God, they have to revamp their rules.

00:16:21.000 Yeah, clearly.

00:16:22.000 NBA, they started fining people that were doing it, but I think they sort of cut back on the fines.

00:16:27.000 They tried to make it monetarily not a good thing to do.

00:16:30.000 I know Ian Edwards loves soccer, and I love Ian, and he's trying to get me to do a soccer companion.

00:16:35.000 But I feel like about soccer, what I do about speaking Latin... 0.97

00:16:40.000 It's just some shit that's just left over from a long-ass time ago. 0.97

00:16:43.000 It's probably good if we still remember how to do it. 0.98

00:16:46.000 We don't want to not know what Latin is.

00:16:49.000 We don't want to get so confused that we think this is some forgotten language.

00:16:53.000 Especially since it's within all of our scientific texts and all that. 0.99

00:16:58.000 That shit's nonsense, right? 1.00

00:17:00.000 Yeah, that's nonsense. 1.00

00:17:01.000 I would rather learn Latin than learn how to flop, how to fake injuries. 0.98

00:17:05.000 I just, I don't know about that.

00:17:07.000 But you respect an actual skillful soccer player.

00:17:10.000 Those guys are awesome athletes.

00:17:12.000 That's actually what makes it so disappointing, is that I know how good those dudes are.

00:17:18.000 I know that they must be super talented and great, very skillful and in great shape.

00:17:23.000 To then take, to get yourself to that level, to let's say elite level, at your sport, at your skill set.

00:17:30.000 Did you ever see Aldo?

00:17:33.000 Who?

00:17:33.000 Jose?

00:17:34.000 Jose Aldo?

00:17:35.000 Play soccer?

00:17:36.000 Oh, I'm not surprised.

00:17:37.000 Amazing.

00:17:38.000 Yeah, I bet.

00:17:39.000 Like, professional level.

00:17:40.000 Do you think he would flop?

00:17:41.000 Nope.

00:17:43.000 I don't think so.

00:17:43.000 I cannot see that happening.

00:17:45.000 I don't think so.

00:17:45.000 That's probably what held him back.

00:17:48.000 He's too busy throwing low kicks.

00:17:50.000 Instead of kicking the ball, he's just chopping people's legs out from under him. 0.98

00:17:53.000 Yeah, there's some video of him playing and moving around, and he's fucking really good. 0.86

00:17:59.000 Where is Aldo? 0.90

00:18:00.000 I don't know.

00:18:00.000 That was him doing the ball flip.

00:18:02.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:03.000 Yeah, watch this.

00:18:04.000 Look at that.

00:18:05.000 That's one of the best players in the world he did it against.

00:18:07.000 Neymar.

00:18:10.000 Now, do you think they're just playing and having a good time here?

00:18:12.000 Yeah, it's a charity match.

00:18:13.000 Right.

00:18:14.000 But still, look at this.

00:18:15.000 I don't think...

00:18:16.000 He's just like, okay.

00:18:18.000 The other guy's like, look, I ain't running for real, dude.

00:18:20.000 I have actual games to play.

00:18:22.000 I'm not blowing out my ACL trying not to get punked by an MMA fighter.

00:18:27.000 Right.

00:18:28.000 Exactly.

00:18:29.000 It's like, okay, you can have this moment.

00:18:30.000 But I've seen videos of him practicing and playing.

00:18:33.000 He's like a real professional soccer player.

00:18:35.000 You're looking at him, you're like, wow.

00:18:38.000 Yeah, that didn't surprise me in the least.

00:18:39.000 Oh, is that Jose?

00:18:40.000 Yeah, he's kicking three-pointers in.

00:18:43.000 Or he's trying, at least.

00:18:47.000 Hey! 1.00

00:18:47.000 Fuck. 1.00

00:18:48.000 That would never happen for me. 1.00

00:18:50.000 Never.

00:18:51.000 I played like little intramural soccer in college for a second.

00:18:54.000 Just like these pickup games with all the international kids.

00:18:57.000 I just thought it'd be a good way to get in shape.

00:18:59.000 I didn't know really much about playing soccer.

00:19:02.000 Aren't you too big?

00:19:04.000 I don't know if there's really a too big.

00:19:06.000 For moving around that much?

00:19:07.000 Well, there's also the not good enough.

00:19:09.000 There's that part too.

00:19:10.000 When these dudes from Scotland and Argentina and all over who would play all their AAA leagues and stuff, I'm out there playing defense, and I could hustle, I had quick feet, and I wasn't movable, so that was kind of good.

00:19:22.000 But at one point, my team kept trying to get an opportunity for me to score on goal, and I'm like...

00:19:30.000 No, no, quit.

00:19:32.000 You know, I got good enough to dribble and pass it away a little bit. 0.99

00:19:35.000 Don't fucking ask me to kick this thing. 0.98

00:19:36.000 It's never gonna go where I want it to. 0.99

00:19:38.000 And, you know, it's just careening off everywhere.

00:19:40.000 And plus, this dude from Argentina was just all over me every single time.

00:19:43.000 I'm like, everyone else is like, oh, it'd be funny if he could be great if he could get a shot. 1.00

00:19:46.000 And this guy's like, fuck that. 1.00

00:19:48.000 I'm gonna fucking I'm on. 1.00

00:19:50.000 I'm like, stink on shit. 1.00

00:19:51.000 Am I wrong in thinking that there's like a build that would excel at football, which is like your build? 1.00

00:19:56.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:19:56.000 I could think so.

00:19:57.000 And then I would think that soccer would require, because you run so much.

00:20:00.000 I would think tall and lanky would be good for soccer, or even maybe just a long leg, short torso.

00:20:08.000 Yeah, but that Messi guy is like really small, right?

00:20:11.000 That could be good too.

00:20:12.000 He's just like super fast footwork.

00:20:12.000 Just being very quick.

00:20:13.000 Yeah.

00:20:14.000 Just being very quick and very agile.

00:20:16.000 But I was just thinking tall, because then you could more headers, more body up top.

00:20:21.000 Let me ask you this as a proponent of violence.

00:20:24.000 How come rugby never took off here?

00:20:26.000 That seems to me to be the real sport.

00:20:29.000 You know, I don't really know why.

00:20:31.000 I think because American football is American football.

00:20:34.000 Maybe that's why... 0.99

00:20:37.000 It seems kind of stupid, in a way, because you have a helmet on, and pads, and you're running into each other. 0.99

00:20:43.000 And we already know that that's not a good idea. 0.99

00:20:45.000 It isn't.

00:20:46.000 It actually makes it worse.

00:20:47.000 Way worse, right?

00:20:48.000 Unless they've figured out some new technology, which I know they're working on some impact-resistant helmets and things that...

00:20:56.000 Which, that kind of changes everything.

00:20:57.000 If they do that and they get it to the point where guys can collide heads and actually be okay?

00:21:01.000 I don't know.

00:21:01.000 I don't really think...

00:21:02.000 I just...

00:21:03.000 They can get these helmets that are going to take the impact and reduce it and all that.

00:21:08.000 But I just...

00:21:09.000 Once you're a 300-pound dude running a 4.7, smashing into another 300-pound dude, I just don't...

00:21:17.000 You know, it's just like...

00:21:18.000 I would get in the arguments with the...

00:21:20.000 Like, these kids at the University of Montana rugby team are like, hey, you should come out and play rugby.

00:21:24.000 You should play rugby.

00:21:25.000 I'm like, no.

00:21:26.000 I want to fight.

00:21:28.000 And, you know, rugby seems fun and all that.

00:21:30.000 Oh, did you play football?

00:21:32.000 Yeah, I played football.

00:21:32.000 Oh, this is way tougher.

00:21:33.000 I go, uh, hold on.

00:21:36.000 The pool you're drawing from?

00:21:38.000 I'm sure there's some good athletes.

00:21:40.000 The pool we were drawn from, when I'm going to University of Washington football camp, when I'm playing against nationally ranked teams like O'Day, this is different.

00:21:49.000 Who they're drawn from is a much, much bigger pool.

00:21:52.000 The stakes for them are much, much bigger than you and your college team floating around and then drinking beers after your games.

00:21:59.000 This is not like that.

00:22:00.000 This is a different story.

00:22:01.000 Yeah, especially someone that has a potential NFL career and they're super focused.

00:22:06.000 If you look at some of the super athletes that you get that enter the NFL today, just the sheer size and speed that these guys have, it's only so much of that can be genetics.

00:22:18.000 You've got some serious training involved and dedication.

00:22:23.000 They know how much money's involved.

00:22:25.000 Exactly.

00:22:25.000 And there are people that are grooming these athletes from a super young age to meet these requirements.

00:22:30.000 And so I was like, look, rugby is super awesome.

00:22:33.000 It's tough.

00:22:34.000 It's a great sport.

00:22:35.000 I like...

00:22:37.000 Rugby League?

00:22:38.000 Way better than Rugby Union, because Union's got all the scrumming and all that.

00:22:41.000 It slows down.

00:22:41.000 What's the difference?

00:22:42.000 League is seven tackles, I believe.

00:22:44.000 That's all you get?

00:22:45.000 That's all you get, but it's constant.

00:22:47.000 You're constantly moving up the field.

00:22:49.000 What if you go more than seven?

00:22:51.000 You don't.

00:22:51.000 Once you hit seven, you have to drop the ball, and then it changes over.

00:22:55.000 But it moves super fast, and it's very aggressive, and it's like watching people play Wishbone.

00:23:02.000 The whole time.

00:23:03.000 They're just constantly taking each other down.

00:23:05.000 Yeah.

00:23:05.000 And so, you know, they're hitting.

00:23:07.000 Boom, this tackle happens and they're going to try and shuttle the ball back to their other teammate and shove the ball down the line again and keep it moving until they can finally break through.

00:23:16.000 Whereas watching the other one, to me, it slows down way too much.

00:23:20.000 So I don't really enjoy it.

00:23:22.000 Which, you know, that's kind of the argument with American football is that it slows down.

00:23:25.000 And to me, I'm like, American football is like watching two armies go at it.

00:23:30.000 You set...

00:23:31.000 You have your skirmish, you regroup, you skirmish again, you regroup, you skirmish again, and by the end of all these skirmishes, the war is either won or lost by this team.

00:23:41.000 That's the way I look at it.

00:23:43.000 Well, you know, that was what was designed to sort of placate people.

00:23:46.000 Well, that's all games are designed to be a diminishing aspect of war.

00:23:49.000 But American football, in particular, was actually, literally, like, systematically designed.

00:23:54.000 Like, we know the time that it happened.

00:23:55.000 There's a whole Radiolab podcast on it.

00:23:57.000 Oh, okay.

00:23:57.000 It's pretty fascinating, man.

00:23:58.000 And about how they ran into problems when they let American Indians play with white kids.

00:24:02.000 Oh, yeah? 1.00

00:24:04.000 The natives are just fucking all the white kids up! 1.00

00:24:08.000 They had some brutal-ass games. 1.00

00:24:09.000 The natives did. 1.00

00:24:10.000 That's some gnarly shit. 1.00

00:24:11.000 Did they eat their hearts? 1.00

00:24:12.000 Was that kind of part of the problem?

00:24:13.000 I don't know what the problem was, but it was an issue.

00:24:17.000 I dig it.

00:24:17.000 It was an issue.

00:24:19.000 I would have loved...

00:24:20.000 I had Steve Rinella on recently, and he was talking about...

00:24:23.000 The guys who killed Custer in Little Bighorn.

00:24:27.000 And one of these guys was just this massive guy.

00:24:29.000 What is his name?

00:24:30.000 Maul?

00:24:30.000 Is that what they called him?

00:24:31.000 Gaul.

00:24:32.000 Gaul.

00:24:32.000 And he went on to do those wild...

00:24:34.000 I think I read that book.

00:24:35.000 It was a Conan book, right?

00:24:37.000 It was Robbie Howard.

00:24:38.000 No, that's Cull.

00:24:38.000 Call the Conqueror you're thinking of, right?

00:24:41.000 But this guy was apparently just massive and I mean I would have loved to like seen that with my own eyes like what it looks like to be like a direct lineage of warrior culture like if that guy was living in the 1800s like he is directly from The original Native Americans that came here from Siberia,

00:25:02.000 you know, whatever, thousands and thousands of years ago.

00:25:05.000 That would be something. 1.00

00:25:06.000 Fuck, yeah. 1.00

00:25:07.000 Chief Seattle, which my fucking phone don't work, fuck it. 1.00

00:25:10.000 He had some quote about being at a football game at the University of Washington. 1.00

00:25:14.000 And I can't, for the life of me, remember exactly how it goes.

00:25:18.000 But it was just like, oh, saw a lot of white men fight each other today. 0.82

00:25:21.000 I don't know why the hell you guys are into this, but whatever. 0.97

00:25:25.000 Whatever.

00:25:26.000 Yeah, they didn't really have like that kind of a game.

00:25:30.000 There's something uniquely brutal about American football.

00:25:33.000 There is.

00:25:33.000 But when I look at rugby, I'm like, okay, that to me seems more realistic.

00:25:37.000 It is more realistic, I think, in some ways.

00:25:41.000 It's more brutal in some and less in others.

00:25:45.000 Sort of like MMA versus maybe kickboxing.

00:25:47.000 Yeah.

00:25:47.000 Yeah, well, and the thing is, one of my arguments with the rugby kids is like, dude, you don't get hit as hard as you do in American football as you're doing here in rugby.

00:25:55.000 You just, you're not.

00:25:57.000 Right.

00:25:58.000 Plus, the athletes are smaller, and, you know, go do a kickoff, guys. 0.99

00:26:03.000 Like, talk about fucking insane.

00:26:05.000 But what do you think would happen if, like, what if, by some crazy reason, people decided, hey, look, we're gonna no longer do American football, we're gonna do rugby. 0.99

00:26:14.000 Rugby's our shit, yeah. 0.92

00:26:16.000 I just hope it's Rugby League. 0.99

00:26:17.000 I don't totally understand the difference between the two of them.

00:26:20.000 I would have to watch a few games, I guess.

00:26:21.000 But those guys who dominate in football, wouldn't you think they would be the guys who dominate in rugby?

00:26:26.000 Yeah, I do.

00:26:27.000 So everybody would just get bigger and faster and stronger.

00:26:29.000 Yep.

00:26:30.000 Would be just like American-level football players.

00:26:32.000 Pretty much.

00:26:33.000 Because the...

00:26:35.000 If we're talking that everybody would switch over to rugby, that means all these rugby teams in the league and all that would then be the ones with all the big merchandise deals and the TV deals and all the money would funnel into it.

00:26:46.000 And therefore, the potential prosperity of it would drive the interest for people to try and apply their wares of being not only a part of that hero myth that would come with being a champion football team player, you know,

00:27:01.000 or rugby team player, but also with the Hero myth of just being a part of that within your normal society, you're of this elite, exceptional status, this thing that stands alone, that it seems a bit foreign to your normal person,

00:27:18.000 but also the money and the success that comes from that kind of notoriety and the doors that it opens in terms of, to use an overused word, the privilege of being at that level, within that inner circle of Exceptional or seen as exceptional people anyways.

00:27:38.000 Do you think that what's the short...

00:27:40.000 You've had a long career in MMA. 20 years.

00:27:44.000 A long, successful career, but it's very rare.

00:27:46.000 Yeah.

00:27:46.000 And it's very rare for someone to be operating the same level that you're operating at now.

00:27:49.000 Seven years is like the cutoff.

00:27:51.000 Like once you get to about seven, everything starts to just rapidly decline. 1.00

00:27:55.000 Like you just fall to shit. 0.99

00:27:56.000 Do you think it's an injury thing? 0.99

00:27:58.000 Is it a training thing?

00:27:59.000 Is it just a life thing?

00:28:01.000 They didn't...

00:28:02.000 They didn't, or at least they weren't able to single out any particular factor in general.

00:28:08.000 But, you know, there was a lot of theories as to why that might be, but they were able to track professional fighters' careers over length of time.

00:28:18.000 I think they had some metric.

00:28:19.000 Who did the study again?

00:28:20.000 I don't remember, but it's on the...

00:28:24.000 I do believe that they were able to account for a number of fights too and weigh that against that metric and see how that may influence things.

00:28:33.000 But seven years was this magic number, like six, seven years.

00:28:37.000 And once you start going over seven years, your percentage of success started just crumbling.

00:28:43.000 Like it was dramatic about how a guy would be like 13 and 3 and he'd get to seven years and all of a sudden it's like 13 and 6, 13 and 7, 13. He just starts losing just about everything.

00:28:54.000 Yeah, BJ Penn's a good example of that, right?

00:28:57.000 There's a certain drop-off where the person just looks totally different.

00:29:02.000 We would have to isolate a lot of different factors to figure out any one particular thing, but there's so many elements that go into being a professional fighter and being successful at that.

00:29:15.000 Let's say we'll take BJ. Maybe it is physicality.

00:29:19.000 Maybe he's lost.

00:29:20.000 I think?

00:29:40.000 Is evened out or is below what is necessary for him and how he fights to be successful.

00:29:47.000 Maybe it could be beyond physical deterioration.

00:29:50.000 Maybe it's just mental motivation.

00:29:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:29:54.000 So maybe he's just not as motivated to push in the same ways that he was.

00:29:58.000 Or maybe he's not able to...

00:30:00.000 I don't know recognize things that he was five years ago six years ago and seeing those opportunities and being able to react on them quicker There's a number of things and especially when it comes to mental now now you're getting into such a subjective area that You know go pull that apart.

00:30:20.000 Yeah, that's a really good point The mental aspect is a really good point because who knows?

00:30:25.000 You know the only only the person that's competing knows we really never have any idea how what's going on inside a person's head I mean for me I decided to take a break after my Arlovsky fight and that was somewhat physically based but most of it was mental I I just didn't I had no interest to go into any kind of training camp to put myself through all that again to Then to fight again,

00:30:49.000 you know, it's just for one when you start off fighting and what those goals are to As you get further in and further in and further in and you know getting it 20 years of being a professional fighter and being a top 10 heavyweight and arguably in top five most of the time for Shit,

00:31:09.000 16 of them?

00:31:10.000 Something like that?

00:31:12.000 It's a lot of high-level competition.

00:31:13.000 Yeah, and it's just...

00:31:16.000 And youngest ever UFC heavyweight champion.

00:31:18.000 That's right. 1.00

00:31:19.000 Until that son of a bitch John Jones came and beat me out by a few months, that talented bastard. 1.00

00:31:25.000 Now you're the youngest ever... 0.99

00:31:27.000 Yeah, just heavyweight champion instead of the youngest ever UFC champion.

00:31:30.000 But it's...

00:31:33.000 It got to a point where it's just like, well, you know, my reasons for fighting are essentially still the same, but I don't have the same motivation to go out there and be like, oh, I'm going to conquer the whole world.

00:31:44.000 I can beat that guy.

00:31:45.000 I know I can beat guys.

00:31:47.000 Like, it doesn't...

00:31:48.000 I'm not trying to prove it to myself anymore.

00:31:52.000 But that fire that wants to fight still exists.

00:31:55.000 I'm just like, well, you know what?

00:31:57.000 I'm going to take some time to work on some of the other stuff that is going to be more of my life after this because fighting is going to end sooner.

00:32:27.000 How old are you now?

00:32:28.000 If you keep going, it's going to go downhill.

00:32:31.000 Versus, okay, you've got right to that point. 0.99

00:32:35.000 Call it fucking good. 0.99

00:32:36.000 Move on. 0.99

00:32:37.000 And there's still athletic windows open to me with grappling and professional wrestling.

00:32:44.000 But fighting is going to be a much shorter window.

00:32:49.000 And the fact that I got 20 years out of it, or however long that I take this to, is going to be pretty phenomenal.

00:32:56.000 Yeah, it's pretty incredible.

00:32:57.000 Are you thinking about doing some more grappling?

00:32:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:00.000 I mean, I've been approached by a few things, but either dollar-wise, it just really hasn't made sense, or mainly, that's just it.

00:33:09.000 I feel like it's just one thing that people have to figure out is super popular, or super exciting, rather, get it on television.

00:33:16.000 If somebody watches your match with Dean Lister, You know, you're the first guy to tap out Dean Lister in how many years?

00:33:21.000 Like 17 years or 15 years.

00:33:22.000 Something crazy.

00:33:23.000 And you caught him in a scarf hold?

00:33:25.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:25.000 Just head and arms him.

00:33:26.000 Boom.

00:33:27.000 Headlock. 0.98

00:33:27.000 Old school judo style. 0.98

00:33:28.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:33:29.000 It's fucking badass. 0.97

00:33:30.000 Well, here's the thing. 0.97

00:33:31.000 I had seen that the last time he'd been subbed was that.

00:33:34.000 Really?

00:33:35.000 Yeah.

00:33:35.000 So I already knew that and I'm like, well, I'm going to put this in my back pocket if I need it later on in the match.

00:33:39.000 And after I've been riding him and grinding on him and beating on him, once he's huffing and puffing, I can get it.

00:33:45.000 I know it's going to be real hard for him to stop this. 0.98

00:33:48.000 And so sure enough, I look up and it's like, oh shit, I don't have a lot of time left. 0.99

00:33:51.000 Boom, hit it, go. 0.98

00:33:53.000 And it worked.

00:33:54.000 Yeah, and then Hiran Gracie was a big feather in your cap, too, because Hiran is one of the most respected young Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt guys out there.

00:34:05.000 He's super respected.

00:34:07.000 And defensively, really, really good.

00:34:09.000 He's very tough defensively.

00:34:11.000 Galvao couldn't tap him.

00:34:14.000 All those guys, like Hiran, Halleck, Henner, they were all very successful when they were competitors.

00:34:19.000 Yeah.

00:34:20.000 A super high-level guy. 0.80

00:34:21.000 Yeah, they were kicking butt.

00:34:23.000 In fact, Henner tapped Jeff Munson back in the day.

00:34:27.000 I think it was with a triangle.

00:34:28.000 So when Hiram was the only guy that Hallett could get to step up and wrestle me, that was the option.

00:34:35.000 There was all these heavyweights and all these dudes, and I'm like, I found a bunch of guys that had recently competed and won belts and stuff, or won one tournament.

00:34:43.000 I'm like, hey, pick, what about that guy?

00:34:45.000 Alex's like, he won't do it.

00:34:46.000 That guy won't do it.

00:34:47.000 That guy won't do it.

00:34:48.000 A whole bunch of them would be like, well, they won't do it without the gi. 1.00

00:34:50.000 And I'm like, okay, well, you know that's not an option, so why even bring it up?

00:34:56.000 So you couldn't get some really high-level Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu world champion guy who wanted to get in there with you?

00:35:00.000 There have been, but, well, no, well, there are a few, like Cyborg wanted to do it, you know, but then he got injured.

00:35:06.000 And so then it was like, well, how do we fill that gap?

00:35:09.000 What kind of injury do you have?

00:35:10.000 Do you know?

00:35:11.000 Rib, I think.

00:35:13.000 I didn't really look into it too much.

00:35:14.000 For me, it was just a matter of that match isn't happening.

00:35:19.000 Right.

00:35:20.000 Move on.

00:35:20.000 Try to salvage this thing.

00:35:22.000 I would like to see that match, though, in the future.

00:35:24.000 I think that would be really interesting.

00:35:25.000 It could happen.

00:35:26.000 It could happen.

00:35:26.000 I trained for it.

00:35:27.000 I felt real confident going into it. 1.00

00:35:29.000 I really wanted it, too, because everybody was like, as soon as I beat Dean, well, the first thing was, oh, what an idiot. 1.00

00:35:35.000 He's wearing shoes. 1.00

00:35:36.000 Oh, that's the dumbest thing. 1.00

00:35:37.000 He's going to get his leg tore off. 1.00

00:35:38.000 Oh, he's so dumb. 1.00

00:35:40.000 And then I went, and it's like, What a cheater. 1.00

00:35:41.000 He wore shoes.

00:35:43.000 It gave him such an advantage.

00:35:44.000 He had so much grip. 1.00

00:35:45.000 Oh, that's bullshit. 1.00

00:35:46.000 Which is it? 0.99

00:35:47.000 Oh, he was 270 and Dean was 185 pounds.

00:35:51.000 Like, what are you talking about?

00:35:53.000 I was like 250 and Dean was like 230. The guy was massive.

00:35:57.000 Dean's a big fella.

00:35:58.000 And people forget, he's a pretty thick dude.

00:36:01.000 I remember giving him a hug at the quote-unquote weigh-ins.

00:36:05.000 I mean, we didn't weigh in.

00:36:06.000 And I'm like, whew.

00:36:09.000 This dude is silverback status right now.

00:36:11.000 He's huge. 0.99

00:36:12.000 Yeah, he's a fucking massive guy. 0.99

00:36:14.000 He's strong. 0.99

00:36:14.000 And very talented, too. 0.99

00:36:16.000 And so I'm like...

00:36:16.000 Extremely technical.

00:36:17.000 Right.

00:36:18.000 Very.

00:36:18.000 And, you know, to me, I'm seeing all the blue belts going nuts out there, and I'm like, well...

00:36:25.000 He was a heavyweight too, so I didn't just go out there and outsize him.

00:36:30.000 I used my game on him, and yeah, I rode him heavy, which is a skill to develop, but you don't see Dean making excuses.

00:36:37.000 We just went out there and gave it our best, and I was able to beat him that day.

00:36:41.000 Well, Dean was one of the best leg lockers in the country.

00:36:43.000 Yeah.

00:36:44.000 I mean, really, he's, like, super knowledgeable when it comes to any aspect of jiu-jitsu, but in particular, leg locks.

00:36:49.000 And he spent a bunch of time on the East Coast at Henzo's Place.

00:36:53.000 And Eddie Bravo said that's sort of where Henzo's Place became, like, this leg lock mecca.

00:36:58.000 You think about, like...

00:36:59.000 Gary Tonin and Eddie Cummins and John Donaher.

00:37:02.000 Like, yeah, his, like, what teachings that he lent in over there sort of spread.

00:37:08.000 And now they've since, Donaher, who's a real wizard, since spread it into his own sort of ideas and philosophies on attacks.

00:37:15.000 Well, that's the thing.

00:37:16.000 You just never know what can come of any, even the smallest to largest influence.

00:37:21.000 Yeah.

00:37:22.000 Allowing, that seed can take place anywhere, but someone may tend that garden and all of a sudden...

00:37:28.000 Boom.

00:37:29.000 You know, a big expansion from that idea can come from it.

00:37:33.000 And that's, you know, one of the great things about that.

00:37:35.000 Well, that's one of the things that people like about you, is that you, most of the time, you're going old school.

00:37:41.000 I mean, you're doing catch wrestling stuff.

00:37:43.000 I mean, you're doing, like, the shit that Carl Gotch and all those dudes from those old school wrestling, catch wrestling books, like a lot of those submissions.

00:37:51.000 You're proving those things to be 100% legit. 0.90

00:37:54.000 Yes.

00:37:55.000 And, you know, I understand completely some of the incredulousness about looking at that and being like, that doesn't fucking work, because you'd think, well, if it did, it would be everywhere.

00:38:08.000 But, for one, there's just not enough people teaching it, so that's...

00:38:13.000 Really diminishes the ability to expand it, although like myself and All the people from the Japanese shoot wrestling side that that has come from like Sakuraba and Maeda and Fujiwara I mean there's guys out there.

00:38:28.000 Explain that connection because it's really kind of fascinating that who went over there was it?

00:38:33.000 Carl Gotch.

00:38:33.000 Carl Gotch was brought over there by Antonio Inoki to create the New Japan Pro Wrestling Dojo and teach all of his students, all of the wrestlers, how to be catch wrestlers.

00:38:44.000 And to give them a foundation in basically shooting, which is real fighting, so then they could go out there and work these matches, but keep the intensity, the realism.

00:38:55.000 It's like the difference between, you know, I know you're not the biggest fan of professional wrestling.

00:38:59.000 How dare you?

00:39:01.000 How dare you?

00:39:02.000 I dare.

00:39:03.000 If I had a gauntlet, I would throw it.

00:39:05.000 I'm sure there's a gauntlet in here somewhere. 1.00

00:39:07.000 Look at this fucking place. 1.00

00:39:08.000 We'll find it. 0.99

00:39:10.000 But, you know, I also understand some of the gripe with looking at, like, the way wrestling has been for quite a while now, it's like, oh, so it got outed, right?

00:39:18.000 So everybody knows it's worked.

00:39:20.000 So people operate on this premise that it's fake, so whatever, like, why bother make it real anymore?

00:39:27.000 Let's just fake it up all the way.

00:39:29.000 And then people would open up skills, and it would be like if all magicians were just like, hey, look, all of our tricks...

00:39:35.000 They're not real.

00:39:36.000 They're not real magic.

00:39:37.000 Here's how you do them all.

00:39:39.000 And now I'm going to open up schools and just teach everyone.

00:39:41.000 You know, just pay me 500 bucks for three months and now you too can be a magician.

00:39:45.000 And it's just like, well, uh...

00:39:47.000 Oh, man, that would ruin going to magic shows. 0.85

00:39:50.000 It would just make it so shitty.

00:39:53.000 But that's how a lot of these guys get into wrestling now that would never be wrestlers. 0.98

00:39:59.000 To be a wrestler back even in, say, the 70s, early 80s, you had to be a fucking tough guy. 0.95

00:40:04.000 Dusty Rhodes, you look at him, you're like, that guy's not tough. 0.99

00:40:06.000 You're like, no, actually, he was recruited by the fucking Miami Dolphins. 0.95

00:40:12.000 And he was like, I think I can make more money being a wrestler than I can being a football player back then. 0.97

00:40:16.000 Or Ric Flair was an all-American or big-time college football player, and he went and trained under Vern Gagne and Billy Robinson at this barn out in Minnesota somewhere,

00:40:31.000 and they would have to run miles and lift weights and do squats and wrestle each other for real.

00:40:36.000 And it's just like all these dudes that you think it's like, oh yeah, woo, and all that. 0.99

00:40:40.000 These motherfuckers had to go through some real shit, and they had to prove themselves to be legitimately tough enough to be even a professional wrestler to work matches. 1.00

00:40:49.000 And they used to do things like hold tryouts. 1.00

00:40:52.000 People would come down, they'd pay in their money, and these wrestlers would just run them into the ground, and then, alright, whoever's left, whoever could get through the endurance part of this, okay, now you're going to get in the ring with some dude, and then they would just get the shit tortured out of them, just totally ripped apart,

00:41:09.000 and then like, alright, cool, bye, you didn't make it.

00:41:11.000 Because that's just the way it was.

00:41:13.000 When did it become worked, right?

00:41:15.000 Because it used to be, at one point in time, it was like they would do like matches and carnivals and stuff.

00:41:20.000 Maybe the 30s.

00:41:20.000 Like Farmer Burns days.

00:41:22.000 Right, exactly.

00:41:22.000 So originally professional wrestling, catch as catch can, was 100% real.

00:41:27.000 Like these guys, this is how people would travel the world.

00:41:29.000 This is how Mitsuo Maeda, the judoka, jiu-jitsu guy, ended up in Brazil doing catch wrestling, pro wrestling matches.

00:41:36.000 And then ended up staying and teaching judo and jiu-jitsu and catch wrestling to the Gracies. 0.99

00:41:41.000 The actual birth of Brazilian jiu-jitsu, which is amazing, because you could trace it.

00:41:44.000 Yes.

00:41:45.000 Started as catch.

00:41:46.000 Started as judo.

00:41:46.000 Started as judo and catch wrestling.

00:41:48.000 Jamie, pull up Farmer Burns hanging himself.

00:41:51.000 Oh, yeah, the hangman trick. 0.83

00:41:52.000 Yeah, that's nuts. 0.76

00:41:53.000 His neck was so strong that he would do this trick where he would put a noose around his neck and drop and hang from his neck.

00:42:00.000 And he was probably about 170 pounds, something like that.

00:42:03.000 Probably something like that, yeah. 0.68

00:42:04.000 And it would hang from his neck and not die. 0.99

00:42:06.000 Yes. 0.87

00:42:07.000 Which most of us...

00:42:08.000 How do you even get to that point?

00:42:09.000 I don't know.

00:42:10.000 How do you test that theory?

00:42:11.000 Do you like ease into it?

00:42:12.000 Do you think he's beaten off ever while he's doing that?

00:42:14.000 I hope so.

00:42:15.000 What a wasted opportunity.

00:42:16.000 Maybe David Carradine should have been...

00:42:18.000 Look at this. 0.99

00:42:19.000 Guy used to fucking hang himself. 0.99

00:42:20.000 Go to the one where you see his full body. 0.99

00:42:22.000 The far left there.

00:42:23.000 Yeah.

00:42:23.000 Look at that.

00:42:24.000 I mean, the guy had a neck that was so fucking strong, he literally could hang himself. 0.98

00:42:29.000 I mean, he had his hands free so he could reach up and grab the rope, I guess. 0.97

00:42:34.000 But, I mean, I wonder how long you would survive doing that.

00:42:37.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:42:39.000 It could make it hard to give a blowjob afterwards. 1.00

00:42:42.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.97

00:42:43.000 There's certain dudes that, like, you look at them today and you don't think of them as being like...

00:42:48.000 A 20-inch neck on a 165-pound dude.

00:42:50.000 That's amazing.

00:42:52.000 And then he whistles Yankee Doodle.

00:42:54.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:42:56.000 He whistles Yankee Doodle.

00:42:58.000 Oh, he can be dropped from six feet?

00:43:01.000 What?

00:43:02.000 What?

00:43:03.000 What?

00:43:05.000 Dropped from six feet?

00:43:06.000 So he probably wasn't even six feet tall.

00:43:08.000 So he's dropping it from his own height. 1.00

00:43:12.000 And catching with his fucking neck and then he whistles? 1.00

00:43:15.000 Yeah, and then also there's a gay for pay pro bodybuilders as well. 1.00

00:43:18.000 Your favorite bodybuilder is maybe a male prostitute. 1.00

00:43:21.000 Hey, gay for pay. 1.00

00:43:22.000 Hey, what are those little things that they put on CNN and stuff like that? 0.96

00:43:26.000 Like, miracle weight loss cure, and then you go paid ad.

00:43:29.000 Like, what is it?

00:43:29.000 You have these paid ads here.

00:43:30.000 Oh, God, that's ridiculous. 0.98

00:43:31.000 You wouldn't believe what she looks like today. 1.00

00:43:33.000 And you're like, what the fuck is this? 0.99

00:43:34.000 Yeah, you're running that through CNN, through like an accredited news website. 0.99

00:43:38.000 Yeah, this is the kind of stuff that people did in the late 1900s for fun because there wasn't anything like TV. No internet.

00:43:49.000 So what do you do?

00:43:49.000 You end up hanging yourself from seeing if you could drop from six feet.

00:43:52.000 I wonder how many people tried to emulate that and it just didn't work out.

00:43:55.000 Talk about Darwinism.

00:43:57.000 Oh, there had to be a lot, right?

00:43:58.000 Yeah.

00:43:59.000 For sure. 0.99

00:43:59.000 There's got to be some dummies like, I can fucking do that. 0.99

00:44:02.000 Snap. 1.00

00:44:03.000 Yeah.

00:44:03.000 Oh, for sure.

00:44:05.000 Man, I bet there was a lot that died because there wasn't a whole lot of entertainment back there.

00:44:10.000 It was either that or get dysentery.

00:44:11.000 There's a crazy story going around.

00:44:12.000 Some YouTube couple did some stunt where the... 1.00

00:44:15.000 Oh, the girl shot the guy, right?

00:44:16.000 Yeah, and killed him.

00:44:18.000 They thought the encyclopedia was thick enough to stop a bullet.

00:44:21.000 That was the stunt.

00:44:22.000 And what kind of a round was it?

00:44:25.000 What?

00:44:26.000 Really?

00:44:27.000 A nine millimeter, even a low...

00:44:29.000 Not a hot load one.

00:44:32.000 Hot load.

00:44:35.000 Not even a real, like a personal defense round or whatever.

00:44:38.000 It will pierce.

00:44:39.000 Phone books, no problem. 0.99

00:44:41.000 Yeah, I don't know what the fuck they were thinking. 0.99

00:44:42.000 Can you imagine just having trust in encyclopedias to stop a bullet? 0.99

00:44:46.000 Did they even test that out?

00:44:48.000 They put an encyclopedia on the ground and shoot it first? 0.99

00:44:50.000 I bet this crazy bitch probably should probably put some Kevlar in a book and said, look honey, even the littlest book will stop a bullet. 1.00

00:44:57.000 And then she gave him the book with no Kev Warren. 1.00

00:44:59.000 Blam! 0.78

00:45:00.000 Well, I don't really believe that, folks.

00:45:01.000 This is just a joke.

00:45:02.000 Don't sue me.

00:45:03.000 Women and men, man, they figure out ways to be tricky all the time. 1.00

00:45:07.000 Or stupid as fuck. 1.00

00:45:09.000 Or dumb as fuck. 1.00

00:45:10.000 There's a lot of dumb as fuck out there. 1.00

00:45:11.000 It's just a matter of whether or not you can survive it. 1.00

00:45:14.000 Dude, I've been trolling the past day on Instagram, putting up these ridiculous posts about bears.

00:45:20.000 So many people think I'm serious.

00:45:24.000 Dude, I wrote about forest rangers infiltrating bear groups.

00:45:28.000 I read that.

00:45:28.000 And people bid on that.

00:45:30.000 Dude, people are so fucking stupid. 1.00

00:45:32.000 It's like what we were talking about before the podcast started, about people that form cults and Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard and all that shit. 1.00

00:45:39.000 It's the diminishing element of critical thinking. 0.87

00:45:42.000 It's not just about...

00:45:43.000 The reduction of critical thinking in today's society.

00:45:46.000 It is the effort that it takes to be a critical thinker.

00:45:49.000 And I would classify this under this concept I have that I've been working with called human entropy.

00:45:57.000 So entropy in physics, simply put, it's things going to their lowest state of energy.

00:46:07.000 We're good to go.

00:46:11.000 We're good to go.

00:46:26.000 We will do that if given the opportunity.

00:46:28.000 And so not having to think critically, finding a group identity of some sort, even as crazy as a cult, which I would argue that there's a lot of ideologies around nowadays that are just as cult-like as Scientology or Heaven's Gate,

00:46:44.000 stuff like that.

00:46:44.000 Dude, CrossFit helps a lot of people.

00:46:47.000 I'm so out of line.

00:46:49.000 But to belong in one of these groups, to be a part of that identity means that you no longer have to take as much responsibility for your own actions because this group has decided your value system,

00:47:05.000 how you're going to operate, your ethics.

00:47:08.000 Also, I mean, there's...

00:47:12.000 Some philosophical arguments that part of that also ultimately stems from...

00:47:15.000 I think it's from Ernest Becker.

00:47:17.000 It stems from fear of death and having to mitigate the anxiety and nihilism that could come with confronting and accepting the fact that you're going to die and everything that you did is going to die with you, essentially.

00:47:32.000 Your lack of existence is coming around the corner. 0.99

00:47:35.000 Not if you put on the purple Nikes and cut your balls off and wait for the comet. 1.00

00:47:39.000 That's right. 0.99

00:47:39.000 You drink the Kool-Aid. 0.99

00:47:41.000 Did you hear how the guy, he saw everybody dying horribly?

00:47:46.000 Jonestown? 1.00

00:47:46.000 Yeah, well fuck, I'm not going to drink that. 1.00

00:47:48.000 Please, you know, do something else instead. 1.00

00:47:50.000 It's like... 1.00

00:47:51.000 Shoot me. 0.97

00:47:52.000 I don't want to take the drink. 0.99

00:47:54.000 I'm sure.

00:47:54.000 Didn't they kill like 900 people or something like that?

00:47:56.000 Yeah.

00:47:57.000 Something insane along those lines?

00:47:59.000 Yeah.

00:47:59.000 It's just, it's very interesting watching people just give in to the influence of the hive.

00:48:07.000 Of course.

00:48:07.000 Whatever hive that is.

00:48:08.000 Yes.

00:48:08.000 Whether it's a religious hive or I'm fascinated.

00:48:11.000 Well, it operates on the same principles, you know, whether it be religion.

00:48:14.000 And you can tell people, of course, to me, religion is kind of one of the ultimate ones because the Everything we do is measured against a wager.

00:48:25.000 If we talk from games, what's at stake increases the importance of the game itself.

00:48:34.000 Fighting increases that So much higher because the more greater potential for death or pain whatever right you're fighting somebody and as you go down the lines but you know poker is is popular because the raised stakes the money and that as at play and the reward that could come with it and the potential that you could lose from it so everything has this This measure against what you're potentially giving up and what's at hazard.

00:49:04.000 So with religion, what's at hazard? 0.57

00:49:07.000 Your eternal soul. 1.00

00:49:09.000 Something that is so high value that you can't, oh fuck, I can't risk that. 1.00

00:49:17.000 So fuck, I guess I better, you know? 1.00

00:49:21.000 I mean, that's why it's so powerful. 1.00

00:49:23.000 But also it is a panacea for death.

00:49:28.000 Because, like, Nietzsche will talk about the concept of true world values.

00:49:32.000 This is not the true world.

00:49:35.000 This other thing is the true world. 0.96

00:49:37.000 So all this suffering and strife and difficulty and any, like, bullshit that happens to me, all of this, in the end, it really isn't going to matter because eventually I'm going to go to this true world and this is the real world and this is my payoff for all of the shit I had to go through down here.

00:49:54.000 And so, for a lot of people, the concept of having meaning for their difficulty, for their struggle, is absolutely important.

00:50:05.000 Because otherwise, why am I doing this?

00:50:08.000 You know, to take your own existence, your own being in the world, and take it onto yourself, and have all your own accountability, and look at it as, I'm here living the best life I can because I need to live the best life I can because it's the only life I will ever live.

00:50:23.000 Yeah.

00:50:24.000 That is a lot of weight.

00:50:26.000 And the anxiety of people dealing with that, trying to really take that on, face on, with death, and their lack of permanence in this world, the argument is that's where nihilism can come from.

00:50:42.000 And then with nihilism, it's like, well, nothing matters.

00:50:44.000 So if nothing matters, then you're not able to operate anymore.

00:50:49.000 You're just like, what's the point?

00:50:51.000 Right.

00:50:51.000 Yeah.

00:50:52.000 The moment matters, though.

00:50:53.000 Of course it does.

00:50:54.000 All of it.

00:50:54.000 Everything matters.

00:50:55.000 Yeah.

00:50:55.000 Well, see, it's up to you to assign your values as to what you're doing anyways and why you're doing it.

00:51:00.000 But again, that involves taking responsibility for those values and carrying that burden of what that may be on your own shoulders.

00:51:09.000 I think that's one of the reasons why learning some kind of a discipline at an early age is probably really important for people.

00:51:16.000 I think so.

00:51:16.000 I mean, I think for me, a lot of it came from being ostracized as a kid and being someone that was not of hive mentality and not of herd mentality.

00:51:25.000 How'd you get ostracized?

00:51:26.000 For what?

00:51:27.000 Because of what?

00:51:27.000 Just for one, it was being bigger and for all the things that I was interested in, all the dorky stuff or weird stuff.

00:51:36.000 Do you still play Dungeons and Dragons?

00:51:38.000 I would if I had the time.

00:51:39.000 I would play Dungeons and Dragons.

00:51:40.000 I would play Warhammer 40K. I still play Magic the Gathering from time to time.

00:51:45.000 Do you?

00:51:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:51:46.000 Yeah.

00:51:47.000 I'm as nerdy as they get.

00:51:48.000 You cast spells? 1.00

00:51:48.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:51:49.000 Are you kidding me? 1.00

00:51:50.000 I tapped that man, a motherfucker. 1.00

00:51:53.000 I love it. 1.00

00:51:54.000 Yeah.

00:51:54.000 But, you know, for being into that kind of stuff, but also just for being different.

00:52:01.000 And some of it was like Big Brother Syndrome stuff. 0.99

00:52:04.000 So it's like, oh, well, you fuck with Big Brother because... 0.99

00:52:08.000 It's fun, and eventually he gets mad, and he finds you, and he beats you up, and you cry, but you do it again the next day anyways. 1.00

00:52:14.000 So for me, it's like, oh, here's this big kid, and he's gonna get upset if you start fucking with him. 0.97

00:52:19.000 And it's funny, ha ha ha ha ha, until I get ahold of you. 0.99

00:52:22.000 And then it's like, oh, you just beat me up. 1.00

00:52:23.000 That's fucked up. 0.99

00:52:24.000 And it's like, well, I didn't... 1.00

00:52:25.000 I didn't want to beat anybody up until you started fucking ridiculing me in the first place. 0.98

00:52:29.000 But when you're a little child, you don't understand regulation of emotions as well. 0.99

00:52:34.000 You also don't understand the social parameters in which all this stuff is functioning anyways.

00:52:39.000 You just don't have that kind of insight.

00:52:41.000 And so, it'd be like nowadays, someone could walk in here and be like... 1.00

00:52:44.000 Fuck you, you suck. 1.00

00:52:45.000 And I would look at him, and I would laugh about him. 1.00

00:52:46.000 Does that ever happen to you?

00:52:47.000 Because we were talking about this yesterday.

00:52:49.000 I was saying that I saw it happen to Chuck Liddell.

00:52:51.000 I saw people try to pick fights with Chuck Liddell, and it's hilarious. 0.99

00:52:55.000 It's like, are you fucking suicidal? 0.98

00:52:56.000 Does that ever happen to you? 1.00

00:52:57.000 No, no, no, no.

00:52:58.000 I have never had anyone really try to pick a fight with me.

00:53:01.000 I had a guy at a concert once get all butthurt about me not letting him pass in between me and this girl that was standing with me.

00:53:09.000 Because people kept trying to cut through.

00:53:11.000 It was at Anthrax, and he wanted to get... 1.00

00:53:13.000 And I'm just like, fuck this. 0.99

00:53:14.000 Why do people keep trying to walk between us? 1.00

00:53:16.000 Like, Jesus, just go around.

00:53:18.000 So eventually I'm like, nah, I'm not letting anybody by.

00:53:20.000 So I got my elbows out and people would bump into it and then go around.

00:53:23.000 Well, this guy, he just kept going, kept tapping. 1.00

00:53:26.000 It's just like, man, fuck you, dude. 1.00

00:53:28.000 I'm standing here with a girl. 1.00

00:53:29.000 Go away.

00:53:29.000 He was trying to get between you and your girl.

00:53:31.000 Do you think he was trying to get a dick rub? 1.00

00:53:34.000 Maybe. 0.99

00:53:35.000 I mean, if he'd asked nicely, maybe he would have got one.

00:53:37.000 Wow, that's a bold ask.

00:53:38.000 But you know what, though?

00:53:40.000 Fortune favors the bold.

00:53:41.000 And I'm a kind human being. 1.00

00:53:43.000 Maybe he didn't want a meter of his dick, but that's what he would have got. 0.99

00:53:45.000 He would have got that, too. 1.00

00:53:48.000 You give and you take, sir.

00:53:50.000 So the guy comes around.

00:53:51.000 He finally goes around us, and then he looks at me.

00:53:54.000 He's like, hey, man, I was trying to get through.

00:53:56.000 And I go, look, I'm standing here with this girl.

00:53:59.000 Just go around.

00:54:01.000 And he's getting pissed about it because I'm dismissing him, you know?

00:54:04.000 And so eventually I'm just like, you know, just go, just walk away. 0.99

00:54:08.000 Now that gets his fucking hackles up. 0.99

00:54:09.000 And he's all mad. 0.99

00:54:11.000 He's looking at me.

00:54:11.000 He's like, you, this and that.

00:54:13.000 And I just started laughing at him.

00:54:14.000 I go, oh, you want to scrap because you can't get through here?

00:54:17.000 Is that it?

00:54:18.000 Is this what you want to do?

00:54:19.000 And he's just like, wah, wah.

00:54:21.000 And I go, okay, okay.

00:54:21.000 We'll just move on.

00:54:23.000 Oh, fucking chest up even bigger. 0.99

00:54:26.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:54:26.000 And it's just like, he looks like he's going to walk away, whatever. 0.99

00:54:28.000 I'm saying, all right, you know, okay, do your own thing.

00:54:31.000 He's like, he's just getting even more worked up and finally points his finger out and I'm laughing at him.

00:54:35.000 And the girl who, uh, who was, uh, does jujitsu and was a fighter.

00:54:40.000 She reaches out and grabs ahold of this guy's wrist and pulls his hand out.

00:54:43.000 She's like, don't, you don't want to do that.

00:54:45.000 And then he looks at her, and he looks at me, and I'm just smiling, and he pulls his hand back, and I go, I know what must have gone through his head, is just like, this girl's grip is serious. 0.96

00:54:56.000 And she's telling me, don't fucking do it. 0.98

00:54:59.000 It's probably a good idea not to fucking do it. 0.99

00:55:01.000 Probably, exactly. 0.97

00:55:02.000 But other times there have been like, you know, I'm not impervious to getting in a mood. 0.70

00:55:08.000 And so sometimes I've been out and about and someone's been a dickhead and I see it and it's like, okay, this guy, he's clearly trying to egg something on somehow.

00:55:17.000 And so maybe I, you know, add a little something to that, seeing if he'll bite and just won't happen. 0.93

00:55:27.000 You know, or I've had some people go, oh, yeah, of course no one's going to fight you.

00:55:30.000 They know who you are. 0.99

00:55:31.000 I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? 0.99

00:55:32.000 I'm some sort of D-list celebrity. 0.99

00:55:34.000 Nobody knows who the fuck I am. 0.99

00:55:36.000 You can get away with a lot, I think. 0.99

00:55:37.000 The thing is, if a guy knew how to fight, he would know who you are.

00:55:41.000 If a guy was a fan of fighting, he would know who you are.

00:55:43.000 And those guys would be way less likely to pick a fight in the first place.

00:55:46.000 Well, there was one dude who was at this bar in Fullerton, and he's being just belligerent. 1.00

00:55:50.000 He's being an asshole in this place. 0.99

00:55:51.000 And my buddy Hammer, he was the door guy at the time. 1.00

00:55:55.000 And they're like, come on. 0.98

00:55:56.000 And this guy's fucking getting all riled up. 0.98

00:55:58.000 And I'm standing there with Hammer and just looking at this dude. 1.00

00:56:01.000 And eventually the other door guy comes over and he's like, hey, you fucking dumbass. 1.00

00:56:06.000 You're wearing the fucking t-shirt of that guy right there, so maybe you might want to shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:56:11.000 And so this guy's wearing one of my affliction shirts, and the guy looks at the shirt, and he looks at me, and he's just like, oh, shit. 1.00

00:56:19.000 That's so stupid. 1.00

00:56:21.000 Imagine getting your ass kicked because you picked a fight with a guy whose shirt you have on. 1.00

00:56:27.000 Like, you're wearing a Josh Barnett shirt, and you don't know who Josh Barnett is. 1.00

00:56:32.000 Well, a lot of this shit comes from people... 0.99

00:56:36.000 Putting themselves into situations where they have upped the ante for them not to follow through is going to bring about a huge internal conflict with them. 0.99

00:56:47.000 They're going to know that they raised the stakes and then they had to back down, which I think is really... 0.80

00:56:55.000 Hard for just about anybody to deal with to get yourself to a point where you're like, yeah You know, I'm in the right and then to dial that back I mean people don't even want to really apologize for anything Let alone have to admit that they took something too far It got to a point where they weren't willing to go any further and they realized they fucked up and then to fucking tuck tuck tail and leave again and back down and There's a lot of insecurity involved in that.

00:57:18.000 There was a lot of insecurity probably to get to that point in the first place, which is why people that really know how to fight don't have to go out there and try to prove to somebody else that they are capable or that, hey everybody, look at how badass I am.

00:57:36.000 For me, I don't start fights. 0.99

00:57:39.000 Barring that, maybe that occasional moment where someone I thought was being an asshole. 0.99

00:57:43.000 I thought they were being a shitty person. 0.99

00:57:45.000 The reason they were being a shitty person is because they thought that no one would call them on it. 0.98

00:57:49.000 And for me to call them on it is more about... 0.99

00:57:52.000 There doesn't need to be any conflict here tonight, but you want to create it because you're an insecure little prick. 0.97

00:57:58.000 So I'll be your Huckleberry. 0.97

00:58:02.000 All right.

00:58:03.000 Now that you see that somebody was willing, now how much is it worth to you?

00:58:07.000 And of course, it's almost never worth it to them.

00:58:09.000 And even people that have been all fucking fired up and, of course, they're operating off of anger and emotion and of upping something to a point where they don't feel that they can back down.

00:58:19.000 Because if you give someone an out, especially in these kind of things, 90% of the time they take it. 0.69

00:58:24.000 But it's always that last word thing that everybody wants. 0.97

00:58:27.000 That is almost as valuable as winning the fight to a lot of dickheads. 0.99

00:58:32.000 But sometimes you turn to somebody and you go, you don't know anybody that knows anybody that knows anybody that knows anybody that knows anybody that can kick my ass. 0.99

00:58:38.000 So I don't know what you're going to do right now or who you're going to call, but it ain't going to fucking work. 0.98

00:58:43.000 Or it's just, you know, turn to somebody and be like, how many friends you got with you? 0.89

00:58:47.000 That ain't enough.

00:58:49.000 You know?

00:58:50.000 Go get more. 0.99

00:58:51.000 Because I don't know which one of you guys want to get involved, but the first one that I can get my hands onto, I'ma fucking cripple you. 1.00

00:58:58.000 I'ma fuck you up. 1.00

00:58:59.000 I'ma fuck you up. 1.00

00:59:00.000 I don't know if you guys can take me, but I want to know how many of you I'm going to take with me first. 0.99

00:59:04.000 Or my favorite is, people nowadays don't really...

00:59:09.000 So, everything is a reduction to violence, essentially.

00:59:13.000 Everything?

00:59:14.000 Everything is a reduction to violence.

00:59:15.000 At the base level, the final element is violence.

00:59:22.000 What I'm saying is that, so we create laws, we create social norms, we create all the customs and things to, honestly, to avoid things getting to violence.

00:59:33.000 But even your simplest law is essentially rooted in the element of violence.

00:59:38.000 So, okay, you will use some law, right?

00:59:44.000 Like a ticket of some sort.

00:59:46.000 And it's like, well, I'm going to fine you for this thing.

00:59:48.000 I'm not going to pay it.

00:59:50.000 Okay, well, then we're going to fine you some more.

00:59:51.000 I'm not going to pay that.

00:59:53.000 We're going to do this.

00:59:54.000 I'm not going to do that.

00:59:55.000 Well, okay, then if you're not going to pay the thing, you're not going to do this, and you're not going to let, you're not going to, oh, well, then what we're going to do is we're going to arrest you.

01:00:03.000 No, you're not.

01:00:05.000 At some point it reduces down to violence So we're using violence all the time to or at least the con the for a lot of things For pretty much everything, you know in terms of social controls Eventually if someone doesn't want to adhere to those controls in some way Violence is the final solution.

01:00:25.000 It's what it's what it boils down to it is the basis for for all of our police and military and even honestly It still exists within all of us on a social level.

01:00:37.000 It's just that we have managed to take that concept and put it onto something else.

01:00:42.000 The law, right?

01:00:43.000 Police, something like that. 1.00

01:00:44.000 But the reality is that if some guy just at some point says, you know, I don't really give a fuck and you were an asshole and I'm just going to wreck you. 1.00

01:00:53.000 Okay. 1.00

01:00:54.000 You can sue them.

01:00:56.000 You can do this.

01:00:56.000 You can call the cops on them.

01:00:58.000 You can whatever.

01:00:59.000 But violence is going to happen whether you want it to or not.

01:01:03.000 Whether this person was in the right.

01:01:05.000 Because that's another thing.

01:01:06.000 Violence in and of itself, even if you're the winner.

01:01:10.000 I don't remember what the philosopher was.

01:01:12.000 Winning the duel doesn't mean that you were correct.

01:01:15.000 It just means that you won.

01:01:17.000 That's a good point.

01:01:19.000 Duels.

01:01:19.000 Yeah.

01:01:20.000 But...

01:01:22.000 So, all these things are, you know, customs, norms. 0.98

01:01:26.000 A lot of this stuff is to avoid anything breaking down to violence because, you know, you bump into someone, you spill their drink, and they turn you in and go, hey, man, well, that was fucked up. 0.94

01:01:35.000 And you turn to them and you go, you know what? 0.95

01:01:37.000 It was.

01:01:37.000 I'm sorry.

01:01:38.000 Or you could turn to me like, you know what? 1.00

01:01:39.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:01:40.000 Fuck me. 1.00

01:01:41.000 You spilled my drink. 1.00

01:01:43.000 I'm taking offense to this.

01:01:45.000 I now don't have my drink.

01:01:47.000 Who's gonna make this right? 0.99

01:01:49.000 I don't really give a shit. 0.98

01:01:51.000 Huh. 0.98

01:01:51.000 Everything starts to escalate and as soon as one person takes a stand and if that other person rises to that We're good to go. 0.98

01:02:18.000 Pull yourself entirely out of that situation, which a lot of people aren't necessarily...

01:02:23.000 If it really, really, really got to that point, they're not willing to do.

01:02:26.000 A lot of people just don't have the emotional maturity to realize that they've made a mistake or to just not engage and not want to be a part of it.

01:02:34.000 But then there's that psychological thing of wanting to win whatever weird battle of words.

01:02:39.000 Right.

01:02:39.000 Well, and there's other complex things, like if it was males, there's social hierarchy stuff.

01:02:46.000 If it was females, there's social hierarchy stuff between that. 1.00

01:02:49.000 If it's male and female, it could be...

01:02:52.000 Well, there's always this societal...

01:02:53.000 If you're really super concerned about what other people think or how you're going to be perceived by others in a group setting, that could also play into a factor, which happens out and about on the town or whatever.

01:03:07.000 Your buddies always see you in this situation, or other people, everyone, okay, you got their attention, now what are you going to do?

01:03:13.000 And so if they see you completely retreat, everyone's like, uh-huh, alright, well that guy really wasn't what he said he was.

01:03:23.000 Right, right, right, yeah.

01:03:24.000 You're not down, man.

01:03:26.000 Did you ever see that thing where Sean Connery is talking to Barbara Walters and she asks him about hitting chicks?

01:03:32.000 Yeah, I've seen it.

01:03:33.000 And he's like, sometimes you give them the last word, but that's not enough.

01:03:36.000 They have to say more, and you just gotta give them a little smack.

01:03:40.000 A little smack. 0.92

01:03:41.000 Yeah, that's...

01:03:44.000 Just said it.

01:03:44.000 And Barbara was just like, uh...

01:03:47.000 She didn't know what the fuck to do. 0.99

01:03:48.000 What? 0.99

01:03:49.000 She thought she had him.

01:03:50.000 Yeah.

01:03:51.000 She thought it was over.

01:03:52.000 He dug his heels in.

01:03:53.000 He's impervious, I guess.

01:03:54.000 You know?

01:03:55.000 But, uh... 1.00

01:03:56.000 He probably had no cum in his body, because he probably fucked 15 different women that day. 1.00

01:04:01.000 Right. 0.99

01:04:01.000 And he was just like, what kind of nonsense conversation are we having here? 0.99

01:04:05.000 Do I need to smack you, Barbara? 1.00

01:04:07.000 I'm fucking Sean Connery. 1.00

01:04:09.000 Ha ha ha! 0.99

01:04:10.000 Look at the smile on his face.

01:04:13.000 Look at my mustache.

01:04:14.000 I'm bald.

01:04:14.000 I don't care.

01:04:15.000 I'm a manchman.

01:04:19.000 Let's play.

01:04:20.000 Can we play it without getting pulled off of YouTube?

01:04:29.000 I haven't changed my opinion. 0.98

01:04:35.000 Do you think it's good to slap a woman? 0.99

01:04:37.000 No, I don't think it's good.

01:04:38.000 You don't think it's bad?

01:04:39.000 I don't think it's that bad.

01:04:41.000 I think that it depends entirely on the circumstances and if it merits it.

01:04:45.000 What would merit it?

01:04:47.000 Well, if you have tried everything else, and women are pretty good at this, they can't leave it alone. 1.00

01:04:55.000 They don't want to have the last word, and you give them the last word, but they're not happy with the last word.

01:05:01.000 They want to say it again.

01:05:04.000 And get into a really provocative situation, then...

01:05:09.000 I think it's absolutely right.

01:05:15.000 Wow.

01:05:17.000 Oh, boy.

01:05:19.000 Oh, that's so people get...

01:05:20.000 Sean Connery being rude and aggressive.

01:05:22.000 Play that up next.

01:05:23.000 What is he getting rude and aggressive about?

01:05:26.000 I punched the director.

01:05:27.000 Was it a right hook or a left hook?

01:05:29.000 Do you work for the tabloids or the News of the World?

01:05:32.000 Not at all.

01:05:33.000 I just said there are reports.

01:05:34.000 National Enquirer?

01:05:36.000 Are you wearing a jockstrap or what?

01:05:38.000 I'm not.

01:05:38.000 Not tonight, so now.

01:05:39.000 Ah, okay.

01:05:40.000 That's why you're smiling.

01:05:41.000 I am indeed.

01:05:42.000 Maybe it's too tight.

01:05:43.000 The director isn't here tonight.

01:05:44.000 Any particular reason behind that?

01:05:46.000 I mean, would you work with that man?

01:05:47.000 He probably knew you were going to be here.

01:05:49.000 Would you make another film with the director again if you had the chance?

01:05:51.000 Would you do another interview with me?

01:05:53.000 Of course I would.

01:05:53.000 Yeah, but I wouldn't do a film with him.

01:05:55.000 Thank you.

01:05:55.000 All right.

01:05:56.000 Thank you very much.

01:05:57.000 Wow.

01:06:00.000 How are you?

01:06:02.000 Hello, I'm Sean Connery.

01:06:03.000 How are you?

01:06:04.000 It would be funny if that was Barbara Walters right next to him. 1.00

01:06:07.000 He's ready to take some dick. 0.99

01:06:09.000 That honestly didn't seem that rude or aggressive. 1.00

01:06:11.000 He just didn't like the question, and he fucked with him about it. 0.98

01:06:14.000 Yeah, well, clickbait. 0.99

01:06:15.000 But anyways, I personally do not put hands on women. 1.00

01:06:19.000 I'm not into that.

01:06:21.000 Have you ever had a chick try to hit you, though? 1.00

01:06:22.000 Oh, fuck, yeah. 1.00

01:06:24.000 Are you kidding me? 1.00

01:06:24.000 No, I've been chin-checked while driving once. 1.00

01:06:27.000 I was like, snack.

01:06:29.000 Well, that was cool.

01:06:30.000 You know, are we hitting each other now?

01:06:32.000 Is that what it is? 1.00

01:06:33.000 That's a girl who wants to get fucked hard. 1.00

01:06:35.000 You're not fucking hard enough, Josh. 1.00

01:06:37.000 Apparently not. 1.00

01:06:38.000 Shit. 1.00

01:06:38.000 You gotta put your boots on. 1.00

01:06:39.000 Those wrestling shoes you wore when you tapped out. 1.00

01:06:41.000 Yeah, I need to lace up, motherfucker. 1.00

01:06:43.000 Put some tackum on my arms. 0.99

01:06:47.000 You know, make sure to get a good grip.

01:06:48.000 You might want to throw the mattress on the ground.

01:06:51.000 Right.

01:06:52.000 You know, so you could really, like, dig in, like, a side control sort of thing.

01:06:55.000 Yeah, really.

01:06:55.000 We can really bottom that thing out.

01:06:58.000 Yeah, man.

01:06:58.000 Like, you push up against a wall and your feet just on hardwood floor.

01:07:03.000 That's what I'm thinking.

01:07:04.000 Right.

01:07:04.000 You're just planking and just, you know, driving.

01:07:07.000 Actually, office carpeting.

01:07:09.000 Imagine if you had your bedroom...

01:07:11.000 Like, the stuff is stain-resistant, and it's got that grip on it.

01:07:13.000 Yeah, but super grippy. 0.99

01:07:14.000 Girls are like, what the fuck is this? 1.00

01:07:16.000 Like, why is your carpet so harsh? 1.00

01:07:17.000 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

01:07:19.000 This is gonna get real real in a second, but you're gonna love me for it. 1.00

01:07:23.000 No, I've been hit.

01:07:25.000 Wow.

01:07:27.000 I'm not like, oh, you've been in abusive relationships.

01:07:30.000 Not like that.

01:07:30.000 I mean, it's just people, it's frustrations and people not being able to manage those.

01:07:35.000 I remember one, this gal, she trained, she fought. 1.00

01:07:39.000 And at one point, she used to do all kinds of shit where I'd go, you know what, that is the most fucked up shit. 1.00

01:07:43.000 You're really abusing the fact, you know, your gender and that you know that you're a woman, so I'm not going to do anything. 1.00

01:07:49.000 But you're going to do shit to me that if you were a man, I would just knock all your teeth out. 1.00

01:07:54.000 Like, you've crossed so many lines. 1.00

01:07:56.000 Right.

01:07:56.000 And been so disrespectful and done things that are, you know, an invasion of personal space and respect.

01:08:04.000 It's just like, man, that's just too much.

01:08:05.000 Like, you went way too far.

01:08:07.000 Physical violence.

01:08:07.000 I know.

01:08:07.000 Like, punching you while you're driving?

01:08:08.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.84

01:08:09.000 What if you went out?

01:08:10.000 That'd have been hilarious.

01:08:12.000 It's a girl who knows how to fight, right? 0.98

01:08:13.000 And you know what?

01:08:14.000 The person...

01:08:14.000 Well, this one wasn't...

01:08:15.000 The one that punched me while I was driving didn't know how to fight.

01:08:18.000 But, yeah.

01:08:19.000 Well, you know, it's like they say, too.

01:08:20.000 With the drunk guy, he passes out.

01:08:22.000 He's always the one that doesn't get hurt.

01:08:23.000 Right.

01:08:24.000 So I would have been like...

01:08:25.000 And then...

01:08:26.000 The car was cheap anyway, so I wouldn't have cared.

01:08:29.000 And she probably would have got tossed through the window. 0.99

01:08:31.000 Damn. 0.99

01:08:31.000 But I just remember... 0.99

01:08:35.000 Her saying to me this one time, the one that did train, she's like, you know what? 0.99

01:08:39.000 You know what fucking kills me? 1.00

01:08:41.000 I could just hit you as hard as I wanted to. 1.00

01:08:43.000 I could do whatever, and it wouldn't fucking matter. 1.00

01:08:45.000 Because you're you, and you're just so much bigger and stronger. 1.00

01:08:49.000 And I'm just like, Jesus fuck, why is that my fucking fault? 1.00

01:08:52.000 We have an argument about something, and you escalate it, and then you're mad at me because you You couldn't beat me up at the end of it. 1.00

01:09:02.000 You got so mad that you can't kick my ass, and now that makes you madder. 0.99

01:09:05.000 Let me play armchair psychologist, because I'm good at this. 1.00

01:09:08.000 What I would think is that a gal like that, first of all, she probably enjoys having a certain amount of physical power over people, and when shit escalates, she wants that violence to be real. 1.00

01:09:19.000 She wants it to be a real threat coming from her, which is why she probably started fighting in the first place. 0.98

01:09:23.000 Now when she's fighting, when she's arguing with you, All of a sudden, she's in this fucked up situation where what she's worked for her whole life is to become this scary girl. 0.99

01:09:33.000 A girl who could fuck people up. 1.00

01:09:34.000 A girl who's like literally a threat physically. 0.99

01:09:37.000 She could probably knock a lot of dudes out, right? 1.00

01:09:40.000 But she's confronted with a giant former UFC heavyweight champion and she's like, God damn it. 0.97

01:09:46.000 Well, I do think that that psychology can absolutely hold true. 0.93

01:09:50.000 For this one particular girl, for her, I think it was a matter of Not being able to, you know, having this frustration about not being able to get the outcome that they wanted.

01:10:03.000 And having what they would feel is no recourse to get me to come to their terms and their way.

01:10:13.000 But usually she uses physical violence. 1.00

01:10:15.000 No, no, this girl never used physical violence. 1.00

01:10:17.000 But she was worried about that then.

01:10:20.000 You know what?

01:10:21.000 It's just insecurity.

01:10:23.000 It's insecurity.

01:10:24.000 And it was just like, how is that even...

01:10:26.000 For one, this girl, I was with her for a long time.

01:10:32.000 This one was a long time ago.

01:10:33.000 My most recent one, on the other hand, that one I've actually seen use violence before.

01:10:40.000 And it's just like...

01:10:43.000 To me, it's just like, even with arguing, we would get into these arguments, and someone would make statement A, and I'd say, okay, well, I don't think statement A holds true because of these reasons.

01:10:56.000 And then we'd start going, and then all of a sudden, statement A gets straw-manned into something else, and then, no, no, no, you can't leave statement A because you're basing your arguments on that.

01:11:05.000 We're not talking about statement B. That's a whole different scenario altogether.

01:11:10.000 This argument is going nowhere now.

01:11:12.000 Now it's getting circular, and you keep taking me away from the original argument to begin with.

01:11:17.000 They start hitting you with, six years ago, you said this to me, and I never forgot it.

01:11:20.000 It wouldn't even be stuff like that.

01:11:21.000 It would be something on, I don't know, she turned into a gigantic Marxist SJW. Really?

01:11:28.000 Yeah.

01:11:29.000 While you were dating her?

01:11:30.000 Yes.

01:11:30.000 She turned SJW's social justice warrior.

01:11:33.000 Ladies and gentlemen, if you're...

01:11:34.000 Not online alone?

01:11:36.000 It would just be like, well, that...

01:11:38.000 Okay, hold on.

01:11:39.000 That doesn't make sense.

01:11:41.000 I don't...

01:11:42.000 Your logic here, I don't think, falls, you know, being correct.

01:11:47.000 She turned into this? 0.99

01:11:47.000 Like, she didn't start out doing this? 0.99

01:11:49.000 I think it existed, you know?

01:11:51.000 She's from...

01:11:51.000 She went to Berkeley, so...

01:11:53.000 Oh! 0.60

01:11:54.000 But nonetheless, it wasn't something that I ever saw, especially to begin with.

01:11:58.000 It didn't seem like that was what I was in store for until one day...

01:12:03.000 I look over and I'm like, huh, das Kapital.

01:12:06.000 Well, yeah, I think reading Marx is interesting and I think it's worthwhile to understand some of his arguments.

01:12:12.000 And I think he's got some interesting critiques of capitalism, especially back in its day with this industrialism, industrial society at that time.

01:12:23.000 But he doesn't understand people at all. 0.98

01:12:25.000 His solutions are fucking hackneyed. 0.99

01:12:27.000 And, you know, he's coming from a very interesting position because he doesn't even... 1.00

01:12:32.000 He, as a person, doesn't even stick to his own shit, you know? 0.99

01:12:38.000 But anyways... 1.00

01:12:39.000 So we're having these arguments, and then it would turn to a pejorative.

01:12:42.000 And I'm like, well, okay.

01:12:43.000 Why are you attacking me?

01:12:45.000 I'm not attacking you.

01:12:46.000 I'm not even being angry about your statement.

01:12:49.000 I just...

01:12:50.000 You made statement A, so I don't believe in it.

01:12:53.000 I don't think that that's correct.

01:12:54.000 So we're having a discussion.

01:12:56.000 But now it became...

01:12:58.000 A personal attack.

01:13:00.000 Once it even gets to that, let alone someone even back in the day talking about, oh, it really upsets me that no matter how angry, no matter whatever, if I hit you or did this, it wouldn't matter because you're you.

01:13:11.000 It's like, well, both of these statements come from the same...

01:13:17.000 Both of those scenarios come from the same place.

01:13:19.000 It's like, now you're attacking me, the individual, because if you're going to do that...

01:13:24.000 You aren't thinking about me as the person that, no, no, no, I got your back through heaven and hell. 1.00

01:13:29.000 I will kick the gates of hell down and kill everyone there if I got to. 0.99

01:13:34.000 They want to devalue me, the person, because they feel attacked in some way. 1.00

01:13:42.000 They feel like they're so attached to their statement, to whatever that may be, which has some attachment to maybe what they feel is their existence.

01:13:52.000 That to change that is dangerous.

01:13:55.000 To call it outright wrong would be an even bigger problem.

01:13:59.000 And I mean, you know, it's just like this stuff would start showing up at the house.

01:14:02.000 And so I'm like, all right, I'm going to start doing research on marks and angles and all this different stuff.

01:14:07.000 And then as I would go further and further and further down the rabbit hole, I come back and I go, oh, okay, so this argument stems from this and this and this and this and this.

01:14:14.000 And they're like, no, it doesn't.

01:14:15.000 Like, Okay.

01:14:18.000 Why do you think people operate?

01:14:20.000 What do you think their whole reasoning is?

01:14:22.000 We get into these arguments about capitalism.

01:14:23.000 Capitalism is a neutral system.

01:14:24.000 Let me ask you this.

01:14:25.000 What is it about social justice warriors or left-wing people where Marxism is so attractive to them?

01:14:31.000 Well, for one, it's this idea of equity, like this sameness.

01:14:37.000 Nobody is being left behind and no one is becoming greater than anybody else.

01:14:43.000 It's also the idea, I like to think of it, I think a lot of these young people look at it as Mom's house, mom and dad's house.

01:14:52.000 So when you're at mom and dad's house, someone does your laundry, someone cooks your food, you know, you always just show up, you got a place to live, you know, the TV turns on and there's your cable.

01:15:01.000 And they think the government should become mom and dad once you leave the house.

01:15:04.000 Exactly, so they want mom and dad's house to exist forever, so it's just like they can run off and do whatever it is they want to do.

01:15:10.000 There's plenty of money for food, there's plenty of money for shelter, we just need to spend it.

01:15:13.000 Right.

01:15:14.000 Redistribution of wealth.

01:15:15.000 Right, exactly.

01:15:16.000 Because if you exceed that system more than they deem that you should have, then you should give it to somebody else.

01:15:23.000 And it's like, well, how do you think I got this?

01:15:25.000 I wonder how many...

01:15:27.000 I'm sorry to interrupt you.

01:15:28.000 Go ahead.

01:15:28.000 Well, it's just like, how do you think I got this?

01:15:31.000 People can say, well, it was you got it through you and inherited it.

01:15:34.000 Okay, that does happen.

01:15:36.000 I could also have got it through hard work and dedication and some guile and some smarts and made it happen for myself.

01:15:44.000 Does that somehow mean that I had to do it at the expense of someone else? 0.83

01:15:48.000 Yeah, that's a shitty argument, right? 0.57

01:15:50.000 But that's the argument that they keep bringing up. 0.98

01:15:51.000 Of course it is.

01:15:52.000 That if you're successful, you did it on the back of someone else.

01:15:54.000 It's all grift.

01:15:55.000 Yeah.

01:15:57.000 This is what I wanted to ask.

01:15:58.000 Well, that's the other thing, the back of someone else is an interesting thing, too.

01:16:00.000 It's like, if someone agrees to do a job, if their skill set is limited in such a way that they are capable of doing this job at this moment, Now, of course, if you're asking me, they have a potential to do more than that as long as they're willing to invest back in themselves and find another skill or expand that skill.

01:16:20.000 There's always possibility for growth within a human being, within their lot in life, whatever that is.

01:16:27.000 And that could be transferred into work, could be transferred into personal goals.

01:16:32.000 I mean, it's all about how you value things also.

01:16:35.000 Yeah, of course.

01:16:36.000 This person gets into this job working, making widgets for this guy who invented this widget.

01:16:41.000 This guy invented the widget.

01:16:43.000 The argument that, okay, the worker deserves just as much as the guy that invented it, it's like, well, hold on.

01:16:48.000 Without the guy that invented the widget, you have no job.

01:16:52.000 All of these people that are working underneath them would have nothing.

01:16:56.000 They would have zero.

01:16:56.000 There would be no widget to build.

01:16:58.000 And...

01:16:59.000 The guy that made the widget also has the most responsibility because he had to come up with the money to produce the widget, to be able to hire the people to make the widget, to then market the widget, to do all these things to the widget, to get it out there, to make it successful enough to then support more people.

01:17:14.000 And that doesn't necessarily mean it's on the back of that other person because you could also say, well...

01:17:21.000 Is everything on the back of the guy that made the widget?

01:17:24.000 I mean, his idea can't belong to him because he created it.

01:17:30.000 We should take it for us, even though we did not come up with it.

01:17:33.000 We never created it.

01:17:34.000 We didn't even have the facilities to make it.

01:17:36.000 The people that didn't create it and didn't invent it are the ones who want to define how much this guy should get for inventing it versus how much they get.

01:17:42.000 Sure, and I would get into arguments with my ex about, she's like, oh, I think all businesses should be co-ops. 0.99

01:17:46.000 What does that mean?

01:17:48.000 Well, like cooperative, where everybody is getting an equal share into the business itself.

01:17:52.000 All businesses.

01:17:53.000 Yeah.

01:17:53.000 That's hilarious.

01:17:54.000 It is hilarious, also because I would say all businesses can be co-ops.

01:17:59.000 There is no one stopping a business from being a co-op.

01:18:01.000 You know what stops businesses from being a co-op is someone doesn't want it to be a co-op.

01:18:05.000 Or someone decides, well, I can't do it that way, so it won't make as much sense for me to create a co-op situation as it would to not.

01:18:14.000 A co-op sounds nice.

01:18:16.000 An enforced co-op does not sound nice.

01:18:18.000 Well, of course not.

01:18:19.000 A co-op sounds nice. 0.99

01:18:19.000 Say if you and I live on a block and we say, hey, we got this fucking patch of land. 0.99

01:18:24.000 Let's start a garden. 0.99

01:18:25.000 Start a little small farm.

01:18:26.000 Correct.

01:18:27.000 And we'll just have a little co-op here.

01:18:28.000 Right.

01:18:28.000 All right, cool.

01:18:29.000 Great.

01:18:29.000 Yeah.

01:18:30.000 Beautiful.

01:18:30.000 But if someone comes along and says, Josh Barnett, is this the Josh Barnett farm?

01:18:34.000 Yeah, well, you're going to have to turn this into a co-op. 1.00

01:18:36.000 And you're like, well, the fuck I am. 1.00

01:18:37.000 Well, we're going to put you in jail. 1.00

01:18:39.000 Exactly.

01:18:39.000 And then it comes back down to violence.

01:18:41.000 Here's the question.

01:18:42.000 This is what I kept meaning to ask before I forget.

01:18:46.000 What do you think the numbers are of the people that are involved in these ideas that have never competed in anything?

01:18:53.000 My ex-girlfriend is a professional fighter and she fights in Bellator.

01:18:59.000 However, the idea of the meritocracy of being a fighter seems...

01:19:05.000 I don't think it's lost on her.

01:19:08.000 I just think that she doesn't like the way it's worked out for her.

01:19:12.000 And that makes her upset.

01:19:14.000 Whereas, for me...

01:19:16.000 I found success as being a fighter.

01:19:19.000 And sometimes it would appear that she would be upset at me for what I was able to do and somehow think that maybe I was less deserving or somehow it's an exception.

01:19:30.000 Who knows what?

01:19:31.000 But the reality is, I can sit back and go, oh, Mark Hunt just made $800,000.

01:19:37.000 Her thought might be more, let's say, I'm making this up.

01:19:42.000 I'm not saying that she said this.

01:19:43.000 It's like, why does he deserve $800,000?

01:19:46.000 Why I make $4,000 or $5,000 or whatever?

01:19:50.000 I've seen people say that.

01:19:51.000 Right.

01:19:51.000 It's just like, okay, well...

01:19:53.000 I could think of plenty of reasons.

01:19:55.000 He draws more tickets.

01:19:56.000 He's got a better record.

01:19:58.000 He's a superstar.

01:19:59.000 Or he's a K-1 champ or whatever.

01:20:01.000 You know, at the end of the day...

01:20:03.000 He's fighting in New Zealand, too, by the way, where he's a hero.

01:20:05.000 Right.

01:20:05.000 And if he's selling more tickets than you are, then he deserves a greater percentage of that money.

01:20:11.000 Now, you come to me, and I can be like, well, I beat Mark Hunt.

01:20:14.000 Right, but what's her argument for that when you say that?

01:20:18.000 Her argument for that would be that, you know, this other person isn't any more deserving than me.

01:20:24.000 So everybody should get paid the same.

01:20:25.000 So if Jon Jones fights Daniel Cormier, huge fight, everybody on the undercard gets a fair share.

01:20:30.000 Either that or just like, well, I deserve more than this.

01:20:33.000 And my argument would always be when she was upset about what she may be getting paid here or there.

01:20:39.000 And some of this I'd go, well, look, you know, for this...

01:20:42.000 For what we're trying to accomplish and for what is available in these markets, that's not a bad payday. 0.97

01:20:49.000 Well, that sucks. 0.95

01:20:50.000 No, I agree with you. 0.98

01:20:51.000 You should make more money, but we can't.

01:20:53.000 It's not available, so we have to deal with what we have.

01:20:57.000 For me, and then I would look at something like Mark Hunt and be like, well, I beat Mark Hunt, but so what?

01:21:02.000 I'm more glad that Mark Hunt was able to create an opportunity to make $800,000, so therefore, if he can make $800,000, now the potential for me to do that exists as well.

01:21:11.000 And it's just similar to like the old Gina Carano thing where everyone got on the train about wanting to beat Gina Carano. 0.97

01:21:16.000 Fuck Gina Carano. 1.00

01:21:17.000 She's not even that good and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

01:21:18.000 All this hate at Gina Carano.

01:21:20.000 When the reality is like, okay, well, even if you beat Gina Carano, you're not going to get what Gina Carano gets.

01:21:25.000 You're not going to get, people aren't going to like you just as much or more.

01:21:28.000 It's really not about any of that.

01:21:29.000 The only thing you can control is yourself.

01:21:32.000 At the end of the day, you can only control yourself.

01:21:35.000 Only you can work to try and determine your value in terms of what you're trying to sell. 1.00

01:21:41.000 But isn't part of selling today, at least, talking shit? 0.99

01:21:45.000 Some of it. 0.99

01:21:45.000 It seems to be because of Connor, his proficiency at it, and his massive financial success because of it. 0.99

01:21:53.000 But he wins, too.

01:21:54.000 He wins all the time.

01:21:55.000 He won belts.

01:21:56.000 He made very bold statements and then went out and won.

01:21:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:00.000 Another person could then go and talk shit. 1.00

01:22:03.000 Maybe they win and people still don't care as much. 0.99

01:22:06.000 You can't force people to care and what makes them care is a metric that you just can't define.

01:22:13.000 There's one way of doing it is to make them all hate you.

01:22:15.000 But when you lose, what's going to happen is you're going to drop off often.

01:22:21.000 Everything that you gained will be lost.

01:22:24.000 But as they hate you, as you continue to win, they're going to be more incited to watch you fight.

01:22:30.000 They're going to be more interested to watch you fight.

01:22:33.000 Or you could be a guy like Randy Couture, everybody loves, and even when he loses, everybody loves him the same.

01:22:37.000 Sure.

01:22:37.000 And, you know, how that combination comes about is, it's magic.

01:22:41.000 Well, I think with Randy, it's sincerity, but I think, like, look at Kevin Lee and Michael Chiesa from this past weekend. 0.98

01:22:47.000 Perfect example of, like, a feud these guys put together talking shit to each other at a press conference.

01:22:52.000 They get in a scuffle at a press conference, and all of a sudden everybody cares about the result of this fight. 0.93

01:22:57.000 And then the fight has a controversial ending.

01:23:00.000 Sure.

01:23:00.000 And now it's even more crazy.

01:23:02.000 Sure.

01:23:02.000 And now there's a lot of eyes on Kevin Lee and Michael Chiesa that three, four months ago just...

01:23:08.000 I've been saying both guys are super talented.

01:23:10.000 Both guys have some really good wins. 0.98

01:23:11.000 And I think Kevin Lee's got some real fucking potential. 0.89

01:23:14.000 But people weren't really talking about him the way they are now. 0.97

01:23:17.000 So a lot of other fighters are going to look at that and go, yeah, that's what I've got to do. 0.98

01:23:20.000 I've got to talk shit on Gina Carano. 0.99

01:23:22.000 Or I've got to talk shit on anybody, whoever it is. 1.00

01:23:24.000 A lot of that is... 0.99

01:23:26.000 With the Gina Carano thing, that was in security. 0.75

01:23:28.000 And that was also...

01:23:29.000 Well, she was a superstar and the only one. 0.71

01:23:31.000 It was.

01:23:31.000 And people wanted...

01:23:33.000 They thought that they could have what she had by taking it from her.

01:23:36.000 And it's like, well, that's not actually how it works.

01:23:38.000 Right.

01:23:39.000 You can beat her, and that will definitely do something for you. 0.95

01:23:42.000 And by fighting her, it's going to elevate your status.

01:23:46.000 But not the same status.

01:23:47.000 No.

01:23:47.000 Like, look at Holly Holm.

01:23:48.000 You're your own person.

01:23:49.000 When she knocks out Ronda.

01:23:50.000 Sure.

01:23:50.000 I mean, she devastated Ronda, right?

01:23:52.000 She was the first one.

01:23:53.000 Ronda's undefeated, looks like a tank, is coming at her, and Holly winds up head-kicking her and knocking her out. 1.00

01:23:58.000 I mean, Holly is still a really highly respected professional fighter, but I mean...

01:24:04.000 It's not the same.

01:24:05.000 It doesn't have the same...

01:24:06.000 Well, it also did something for her accolades coming in, so she's this heavily touted boxing champion.

01:24:11.000 Yeah.

01:24:12.000 That boxing championship looks more interesting now after she goes and she wins the MMA belt, too. 0.98

01:24:17.000 Let me ask you this.

01:24:18.000 Why don't they set up Cyborg versus her? 1.00

01:24:21.000 Isn't that the fight?

01:24:22.000 Cyborg versus Holly Holm?

01:24:23.000 I think that would be a good fight.

01:24:24.000 Because Holly Holm fought Deron Deme. 0.82

01:24:25.000 I don't know.

01:24:26.000 A lot of people thought Holly Holm should have won that fight.

01:24:28.000 It was a very close fight and Durandami definitely hit her twice after the bell. 1.00

01:24:34.000 Once really significant and should have been a penalization. 0.98

01:24:38.000 So why the fuck isn't Holly fighting? 1.00

01:24:40.000 I know she just fought Betch Cohea, but as soon as Megan Anderson dropped off, if Holly could take it, I mean she didn't have, she's not injured, maybe she is, who knows, she might be. 0.98

01:24:50.000 Managers?

01:24:51.000 Yeah, who knows.

01:24:51.000 Bookers?

01:24:52.000 Who knows?

01:24:53.000 Who knows what?

01:24:53.000 But that's the fight.

01:24:54.000 That's an interesting fight. 1.00

01:24:55.000 Holly versus Cyborg is the fucking fight. 0.99

01:24:58.000 It would be a great fight. 1.00

01:24:59.000 Really interesting.

01:24:59.000 I think people would be interested to watch it, but it's not the fight that's being made.

01:25:02.000 Instead, we have Tanya Anverger stepping up and fighting Cyborg instead. 0.99

01:25:07.000 Yeah, and short notice.

01:25:08.000 You know, but Tanya's a gamer. 0.87

01:25:09.000 She's very tough.

01:25:10.000 Yeah, she will fight anybody. 1.00

01:25:11.000 Well, that's a highlight reel of the fight because of that, because she's so tough.

01:25:15.000 That's what makes it exciting, but...

01:25:16.000 Cyborg's a giant person.

01:25:19.000 She is.

01:25:19.000 She's massive.

01:25:20.000 She's super explosive, which to me, explosiveness in women's MMA is a massive difference between success and not. 1.00

01:25:27.000 If you're super explosive, that usually makes a big difference in terms of your success rate.

01:25:35.000 Did you see Cyborg sparring with Clarissa Shields?

01:25:37.000 Two-time Olympic gold medalist in boxing and hanging in there, man.

01:25:40.000 She's getting out-boxed for sure, but not by much.

01:25:44.000 She landed some good shots. 1.00

01:25:45.000 She's still game and moving forward and fighting and throwing stuff back. 0.94

01:25:49.000 And dangerous.

01:25:49.000 Yeah.

01:25:50.000 And dangerous against a super high-level boxer.

01:25:53.000 A girl that's even arguably bigger than her, too.

01:25:57.000 Yeah, and lightning fast.

01:25:58.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:25:59.000 But watching Shields set things up and use that jab, I'm like, dude, I just want to get her to come learn some fucking sprawl. 1.00

01:26:07.000 Specialization. 0.96

01:26:08.000 That's the thing about boxing and the Connor and Mayweather fight.

01:26:12.000 It's the specialization of a boxer versus the MMA person.

01:26:16.000 I would say the MMA fighter is the superior fighter.

01:26:19.000 When you start, to me, the most open and the most even playing field is the one that has the least rules.

01:26:26.000 But...

01:26:27.000 By funneling that down to those specific skill sets with boxing, you create a specialized athlete.

01:26:34.000 While there are skills within boxing that will transfer to MMA, even just in terms of boxing, the timing and the footwork that you might use in boxing isn't necessarily what you would use in MMA and vice versa.

01:26:50.000 Sure.

01:26:50.000 Stand still.

01:26:51.000 Right.

01:26:51.000 So I see that it would be great if Conor goes out there and wins.

01:26:55.000 It would make MMA look that much bigger.

01:26:57.000 And he's got the power, and he's a great athlete, and he's got good timing and accuracy.

01:27:03.000 I just don't see him being able to get flush on Mayweather the way it's going to be needed.

01:27:08.000 It seems highly unlikely unless he's old school Bernard Hopkinson.

01:27:12.000 Remember, Bernard used to fight, he used to clinch guys and just seriously rough them up and clinch, and outside he was just straight defensive.

01:27:19.000 But do you really think that boxing referees are going to let that happen?

01:27:21.000 No, I don't.

01:27:22.000 And there's going to be even more eyeballs on Conor.

01:27:26.000 To diminish that aspect, because they're going to be expecting him to do stuff like that anyways.

01:27:31.000 I'm sure there's already...

01:27:32.000 I've heard that there are elements in the contract about kicks and things like that.

01:27:38.000 They have to put that in there.

01:27:40.000 They would have to put that in there. 0.83

01:27:41.000 If you just decide to haul off and kick him, then that's it.

01:27:43.000 You lose all your money.

01:27:44.000 Yeah, that makes sense.

01:27:45.000 But I feel like if you looked at Connor and his skill set, what he's capable of doing overall...

01:27:54.000 I could see how he would think, like, man, it's just striking.

01:27:57.000 I feel like I could probably get close enough.

01:28:00.000 I can get off on anybody.

01:28:02.000 Sure.

01:28:02.000 But that level that Floyd Mayweather's at, like to have zero professional boxing fights and then to spar with him.

01:28:09.000 And you know, also from Conor's perspective, he's thinking, this is a chance to be a hero.

01:28:14.000 This is another opportunity to be a hero.

01:28:16.000 I have...

01:28:18.000 Hardly anything to lose, if at all, and all to gain.

01:28:21.000 I have the potential of winning.

01:28:22.000 I also have a big payday, win or lose.

01:28:25.000 So everything works out towards a win-win situation for him.

01:28:30.000 You know what would have been great if Connor could get this stipulation?

01:28:33.000 We'll only box, but we wear MMA gloves.

01:28:38.000 Very different.

01:28:38.000 Yeah, well, Floyd has had issues with his hands in the past, which is why he almost exclusively wears winning gloves in the ring.

01:28:44.000 So that would never happen.

01:28:46.000 Which are very thick, fat gloves.

01:28:47.000 And I think they're fighting with 10-ounce gloves, too.

01:28:49.000 It's a big glove.

01:28:50.000 10s, not 8s?

01:28:51.000 No, I don't think so.

01:28:52.000 I think the greed upon weight was 10. See if that's the case.

01:28:55.000 Is that the case?

01:28:56.000 Yeah.

01:28:56.000 Ah, wow, I'm surprised.

01:28:57.000 Interesting.

01:28:58.000 I would have thought 8s.

01:28:59.000 Yeah, they want something a little bigger.

01:29:00.000 Because they're like, what, 140-some pounds?

01:29:01.000 I think they're going to fight 55. Okay.

01:29:04.000 And I think, I thought 60 was the cutoff, but I might be wrong.

01:29:07.000 168 or 170?

01:29:08.000 It might be 54. Yeah.

01:29:10.000 Where they go to 10. Huh.

01:29:12.000 But either way, much bigger than 4, which is what he's accustomed to.

01:29:16.000 Yeah.

01:29:17.000 And I feel like if, but look, man, it's still, you know, I had a conversation with a buddy of mine who's a really good jujitsu black belt and he was going to fight in MMA and he had very little sparring in terms of like MMA sparring or very little kickboxing sparring,

01:29:32.000 almost no striking. 0.91

01:29:34.000 And I said, you know how you can do things to people on the ground where you get some guy who doesn't know what he's doing, you can just do whatever the fuck you want to him? 0.93

01:29:40.000 I go, there's guys that can do that to you standing up. 0.93

01:29:42.000 Like, you've got to be careful.

01:29:44.000 Like, you can't get this in your head that you're awesome at something, so you're awesome at everything.

01:29:48.000 Because the type of mentality that a person has to become Whether it's a championship level MMA fighter or boxers, that focus, that intense focus.

01:29:58.000 Sometimes guys get twisted and they think that because I'm a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu champion, I could be a kickboxing champion.

01:30:04.000 I could be an MMA champion. 0.97

01:30:06.000 I could do whatever the fuck I want to do. 0.65

01:30:08.000 But the road is long, man. 0.98

01:30:10.000 The road is long.

01:30:11.000 People forget all that they went through to acquire such a set of skills to get there in the first place.

01:30:18.000 And I understand that a highly specialized jujitsu or wrestler can go out there and experience success in MMA right away.

01:30:27.000 However, like you said, they might come across that guy who is so good on their feet that they can do whatever they want to to that guy and just leave them clueless.

01:30:37.000 And you can't take them down.

01:30:39.000 Or there's that person that you're just not able...

01:30:43.000 You take them down once, twice, but they keep getting back to their feet.

01:30:46.000 Now all of a sudden, you're tired.

01:30:47.000 You've been pushing so much harder because you can't fight a plan B or in this other plane.

01:30:53.000 You have to fight within the plane that you're an expert in.

01:30:56.000 Yeah.

01:30:57.000 Because you put all your marbles in one basket.

01:30:59.000 Right.

01:30:59.000 You're not a Mighty Mouse who can kind of do it all in any form.

01:31:03.000 You're a Damien Maia, who's learned how to kickbox.

01:31:06.000 Yes.

01:31:06.000 You know, got really good at it.

01:31:06.000 But when you fight Damien Maia, you know real clear what his plan is.

01:31:10.000 For sure.

01:31:11.000 And even still, Damien Maia has learned to...

01:31:15.000 Create striking that helps mitigate other people's striking so that he can get his best game off.

01:31:21.000 So that's still a type of stand-up work that he's working on that has been specialized for MMA as he fights in the UFC. Do you agree, though, that a guy like Conor McGregor would have way more...

01:31:35.000 I feel like the odds of Floyd beating Conor are extremely high in a boxing match, like in the high 90%, right?

01:31:45.000 But the odds of Conor beating Floyd in an MMA match are 100. Pretty much.

01:31:51.000 Pretty much 100. Like 99.9.

01:31:54.000 Nine, nine, nine, nine, nine. 0.99

01:31:56.000 Connor would have to like really fuck up. 0.98

01:31:58.000 Yeah, he'd have to get, you know, chin checked. 0.99

01:31:59.000 Yeah.

01:32:00.000 Doing something. 1.00

01:32:01.000 Stupid. 1.00

01:32:02.000 He's not kicking. 1.00

01:32:03.000 Right. 1.00

01:32:03.000 Yeah, he would kick the shit out of his legs. 1.00

01:32:05.000 This isn't the fight about who's a better fighter. 1.00

01:32:07.000 Right.

01:32:07.000 This is the fight about who's a better boxer.

01:32:09.000 Yeah.

01:32:10.000 And...

01:32:11.000 The idea that Conor's just gonna step in and just clang Floyd with a straight left is almost as ridiculous as the idea that Floyd's gonna step into an MMA fight and catch Conor with a big punch and knock him out, Ray Mercer, Tim... 0.63

01:32:24.000 Tim Sylvia. 0.62

01:32:25.000 Tim Sylvia style.

01:32:26.000 I say it's more like Floyd Mayweather jumping in that cage and arm barring Conor.

01:32:32.000 You know?

01:32:33.000 It's like that.

01:32:34.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:32:35.000 Catching him in a fucking rolling guillotine. 1.00

01:32:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:32:37.000 Fucking Victor roll into a knee bar. 1.00

01:32:40.000 Hit him with an Iminari spin. 1.00

01:32:42.000 Catch him with one of them crazy heel hooks. 1.00

01:32:44.000 Well, you know Floyd and his heel hooks.

01:32:47.000 Well, that was one of the crazy things when James Toney fought Randy Couture.

01:32:51.000 There's all these people speculating how much James Toney's been training MMA, and you get to see him do some stuff with an MMA trainer, and you're like, oh, okay, he's not barely doing this.

01:33:02.000 He's barely doing this.

01:33:03.000 He doesn't know anything.

01:33:05.000 This is crazy.

01:33:06.000 And then Randy just goes out there, low single on the ankle, poof, just falls over at the end of that night.

01:33:11.000 Yeah, low single, Randy on top.

01:33:13.000 That's a wrap.

01:33:14.000 Randy was merciful, though.

01:33:15.000 I mean, he punched him a few times and then just choked him.

01:33:18.000 Yeah, Randy wasn't known for being a particularly vicious competitor.

01:33:23.000 Yeah, I have a feeling you probably would have treated that situation slightly differently.

01:33:27.000 Yeah, I would have tried to tear him absolutely limb from limb.

01:33:29.000 Not because of any particular personal animosity, just because I go out there to wreck people.

01:33:36.000 Because I want to make sure that if I'm winning, I'm winning.

01:33:39.000 But if you had a guy like a James Toney on the ground who came in from professional boxing, no MMA fights, would you have it in your mind that you need to prove a point?

01:33:47.000 Or would you have it in your mind, just finish him when you can?

01:33:49.000 Smash him any way possible. 0.99

01:33:52.000 Chop his leg, whatever, shoot a double, blow through him, get on top, and then just start. 0.99

01:33:57.000 Doing whatever is available. 0.98

01:33:59.000 You're such a nice guy and such a well-spoken guy.

01:34:01.000 You enjoy hurting people in a very disturbing way.

01:34:05.000 It's what I'm good at.

01:34:06.000 It's what I learned at an early age that it was something that I excelled at.

01:34:11.000 I asked you just partly to see your response because I knew that you were going to get worked up about it and you were thinking about smashing them and what you would do.

01:34:20.000 I could see it in your eyes thinking about taking them down.

01:34:22.000 I love, that's part of the reason why by leaving fighting I know is going to be tough not competing because I love going out there and in some way it is, I was explaining this, I was actually at a philosophical lecture the other night.

01:34:39.000 Because I'm a big fan of philosophy.

01:34:41.000 What was the philosophical lecture?

01:34:42.000 Well, this lecture was a 16-part series on America.

01:34:47.000 And it was this last one.

01:34:49.000 This friend of mine hit me up.

01:34:50.000 She goes, hey, this thing's going down at this school.

01:34:54.000 So, hey, why don't we go check it out?

01:34:57.000 All right, cool.

01:34:57.000 And so it had something to do with...

01:35:01.000 Futurism, and I forget what else.

01:35:03.000 But as the lecture was going on, people would chime in and say stuff.

01:35:07.000 And so at one point, I'm listening to some of these arguments, and I'm just going, you just don't really...

01:35:13.000 You don't understand people that way.

01:35:16.000 I mean, a lot of these arguments always come from some idea of a base motivation from somebody, like the idea that all capitalism is theft.

01:35:24.000 It's like, well, you know, you don't have to be a horrible person to operate successfully within a capitalist system just as much as just because you create a communist system doesn't necessarily make you benevolent because, as you will look, you know, in the Soviet Union and as you've had...

01:35:43.000 Jordan Peterson on here, and he'll tell you all of the elements of the brutality of communist systems.

01:35:50.000 And then, of course, I remember being in the 80s and even seeing slides from one of my teachers who was over in the Soviet Union and sneaking photos out of the USSR because they didn't want any photos of Of living conditions and all these sort of things,

01:36:08.000 breadlines, all that stuff, brought back to the Western world because they felt it would make them look bad.

01:36:13.000 Of course, because it did.

01:36:16.000 And people were entrenched in these systems and abusing these systems to their benefit, just like politicians abuse our system to their benefit, just like all human beings will abuse a system to its benefit when given the chance to do so, either out of selfishness to the point of maliciousness or even just direct maliciousness.

01:36:33.000 So...

01:36:34.000 The human element is the key process in all systems.

01:36:39.000 They're pretty much the cause of all systems failing, and they always will be.

01:36:51.000 You know, these other crazy concepts as to why or, you know, you create these micro group ideologies, and you distill and distill and distill, and you constantly create like with Marxism, it's a conflict theory.

01:37:04.000 So there's always has to be some sort of oppressor, there always has to be a conflict, you know, a lot of human beings aren't out there trying to oppress people, they're just trying to get theirs.

01:37:11.000 Or creating their little tribes and creating what they, to use an overused word, safe space for themselves in which they understand this area.

01:37:22.000 They understand these demarcations about this group and these people and this thing and even this area of land at which you live in.

01:37:32.000 I know I'm going off on a tangent here from our original discussion, but the idea of personal property and you have your fence lying around, let's say, a piece of property.

01:37:41.000 I was walking through Joshua Tree and looking at all this stuff and pondering some things and That property line isn't just about me owning this and keeping other people out and looking at it.

01:37:52.000 Someone wants to say, oh, you just want to be selfish and own and be greedy and dominate something.

01:37:56.000 Well, actually, think about it this way.

01:37:59.000 That line is the same as an extension from my own personal space.

01:38:03.000 I know you, so...

01:38:06.000 You know, you can get right in my personal space and I don't care because we've already vetted each other.

01:38:10.000 We've already had a relationship.

01:38:12.000 I have a good understanding of who you are as Joe Rogan and your being in the world and you understand me to a degree as well as Josh Barnett.

01:38:20.000 Versus some guy who just shows up at your house.

01:38:22.000 Versus some guy, something, anything that you don't know.

01:38:26.000 So you have this fence line.

01:38:28.000 What you're doing is you're creating this space that is just an extension of your own personal bubble, of your own personal safe space.

01:38:36.000 And so within that, you feel like you've vetted it.

01:38:38.000 You know these rocks.

01:38:39.000 You know these plants.

01:38:40.000 You understand the pluses and minuses of this area that exists.

01:38:43.000 And so within this...

01:38:45.000 We're good to go.

01:39:10.000 The vulnerability that I'm giving you.

01:39:12.000 Because that's what it is.

01:39:13.000 You know, our personal space is about our vulnerability, about the ability for someone else to, you know, interact with us physically as well as emotionally.

01:39:22.000 And so, even just having your little cabin with your little fence.

01:39:26.000 Yeah, the idea that you can't have that, right?

01:39:29.000 That would be Marxist ideas of no private property.

01:39:32.000 Everybody gets an acre.

01:39:33.000 Yeah.

01:39:33.000 And then, you know, there's not like a lot of...

01:39:35.000 Full-on old-school Marxists anymore.

01:39:37.000 They're all pretty much neo-Marxists from the, as Peterson and other people have described, from the Frankfurt schools permeating into academia and going after the superstructure instead of the base.

01:39:53.000 I think there's an undeniable aspect that you talked about before where, with your ex-girlfriend at least, or with some people like that, we don't even have to single out her, that people that are not successful in the competition of life seek to diminish the success of those around them.

01:40:09.000 Yes.

01:40:09.000 Also, the other thing about that is the value that you create.

01:40:15.000 What is your values?

01:40:17.000 What is your value system and how is that going to influence you?

01:40:21.000 So if your value system is based on external elements, like Nietzsche talks about the danger of unchecked envy.

01:40:30.000 Envy being a life-affirming element.

01:40:32.000 If I envy Joe Rogan and his podcast, which I do, I can see that, well, Joe was able to create this podcast.

01:40:39.000 So the possibility exists for a person to create a podcast and to be successful with and expand from there on out.

01:40:45.000 So that envy can drive me to then work towards it because I know it's a possibility.

01:40:49.000 Having unchecked envy would be to be angry at you for having that podcast and thinking that, well, he's got this thing and I want that thing.

01:40:58.000 I deserve it too. 0.99

01:41:00.000 Or even if you don't deserve it, burn it to the ground. 1.00

01:41:02.000 Right, right. 0.99

01:41:03.000 Because you're so upset about it.

01:41:04.000 That's the lowest of self-esteems, right?

01:41:06.000 The people that not only do they not think they can't compete, they don't want anyone to be successful because they don't think they're ever going to be successful.

01:41:11.000 And every day, throughout social media, people are seeing manufactured, manicured interpretations of life and thinking and weighing themselves against that.

01:41:22.000 So that's just one example of how you are...

01:41:27.000 Using these external forces to determine your value systems or putting value on things that are beyond your control or putting value in areas that are unnecessary, that are actually harmful to you.

01:41:38.000 And so, people...

01:41:40.000 If I had to just walk away from everything, like my muscle cars and all that stuff...

01:41:45.000 I know.

01:41:46.000 I know it's a horrible thought.

01:41:47.000 I have some projects that are going to be to completion here soon that I'm just so looking forward to.

01:41:53.000 You still driving the Challenger though?

01:41:54.000 Your main mode of transportation?

01:41:56.000 Yeah, that's my daily driver.

01:41:56.000 But I'm replacing it with a 75 Formula Firebird with a 455 that I punched out the 470, automatic overdrive trans, and Hotchkiss suspension, and Wilwood brakes all the way around on it.

01:42:08.000 It's going to be fucking great.

01:42:09.000 Nine-inch Ford in the back. 0.99

01:42:10.000 Speaking of which, Gabriel Iglesias was just on Jay Leno's garage, and he's got a dope Burt Reynolds fucking smoking the bandit Trans Am. 0.67

01:42:19.000 Yeah, they do build them off the new Camaros. 0.90

01:42:20.000 Yeah, he was loving it.

01:42:22.000 Is that what his is?

01:42:23.000 His is from one of the new Camaros?

01:42:24.000 Yeah, it's built off the new Camaro, yeah.

01:42:25.000 I just saw the picture of him standing with Jay next to the car.

01:42:29.000 The car looks sick.

01:42:29.000 It is.

01:42:30.000 It's a sweet car.

01:42:31.000 I've seen him at SEMA. That's a car that doesn't impress girls at all.

01:42:35.000 That's a crawler only for- look at that fucking thing! 1.00

01:42:37.000 So that's based on a new Camarion? 0.99

01:42:39.000 The one on the left is a real 77 or 78. The one on the right is a brand new one.

01:42:45.000 Holy shit! 0.98

01:42:47.000 So there's two- oh my god! 0.99

01:42:48.000 So they put a front new nose piece on it, they put the shaker scoop, they put it- and this one they put an LS3 and you know they do all this stuff.

01:42:56.000 Because Pontiac, for folks who don't know, doesn't even exist anymore.

01:42:58.000 Dead.

01:42:59.000 I wonder if they could do that with the ZL1, that new ZL1. Of course they could.

01:43:02.000 They could do it with anything.

01:43:03.000 You know that ZL1 is one of the fastest cars to ever lap the Nürburgring?

01:43:06.000 Yes.

01:43:06.000 Faster than the Corvette Z06, faster than anything.

01:43:09.000 It's incredible what we're doing with cars.

01:43:11.000 American muscle cars right now. 0.99

01:43:13.000 If I have to give all this shit up. 0.99

01:43:15.000 I would hate it. 0.99

01:43:16.000 That's amazing.

01:43:17.000 I would hate it.

01:43:17.000 Burt Reynolds signed it.

01:43:18.000 I would not love it.

01:43:19.000 Yeah, it's a Burt Reynolds edition. 0.99

01:43:20.000 Holy shit, he signed it. 0.99

01:43:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:43:23.000 So, but if I did, truth be told...

01:43:26.000 Look at the hair shifter. 1.00

01:43:28.000 My dick is hard as a rock. 1.00

01:43:30.000 Truth be told... 1.00

01:43:31.000 I can get rid of all these things.

01:43:33.000 I can be free of all of that stuff and still have a life that makes me highly happy.

01:43:40.000 But let's not get crazy.

01:43:41.000 I know.

01:43:42.000 I don't want to get crazy.

01:43:43.000 I'm going to extremes. 1.00

01:43:45.000 Those Marxists are fucking with your head, man. 1.00

01:43:47.000 They're changing your values. 1.00

01:43:48.000 I know.

01:43:48.000 They want to take my Firebird, my GT500, and all that stuff.

01:43:52.000 No!

01:43:52.000 But I can't help it that my car has more boosts than yours.

01:43:55.000 Yeah, you can't.

01:43:56.000 But...

01:43:57.000 The thing is, is that it's where I put my values.

01:44:00.000 What is valuable to me and what's valuable in living and being.

01:44:05.000 So, for someone else, they put these things on other stuff and they give responsibility.

01:44:11.000 What they end up doing is transferring that power to external sources.

01:44:14.000 And when you start working off of external sources as your value system, then you've taken away that power from yourself.

01:44:23.000 Right.

01:44:24.000 And so...

01:44:25.000 Well, there's also the rejection.

01:44:27.000 I have a rejection of the idea that you can't enjoy people's creations.

01:44:30.000 I think of a car as a creation.

01:44:32.000 Yeah.

01:44:32.000 I mean, I think of it a lot of ways as like a mass-produced piece of art.

01:44:36.000 Sure.

01:44:36.000 You know, what someone's done in creating like that new, what is it, the Demon?

01:44:41.000 Yeah.

01:44:41.000 The Dodge Demon.

01:44:42.000 Right, that Challenger that will go 960s.

01:44:45.000 It goes 0 to 60 in less than three seconds.

01:44:47.000 Yeah.

01:44:48.000 And it's a production car, and you can't drive it if it's colder than 15 degrees out.

01:44:52.000 Yeah.

01:44:53.000 You can't drive it. 1.00

01:44:54.000 It's such a fucked up car. 0.99

01:44:57.000 But that to me is, I'm fascinated that someone chose to make it. 0.99

01:45:01.000 I look at that the same way I look at them doing space exploration.

01:45:05.000 Like, oh, that's all going to trickle down to regular cars.

01:45:08.000 Sure.

01:45:08.000 They're going to figure out how to make Tang out of this.

01:45:11.000 Sure.

01:45:11.000 And that's the thing, is that these things wouldn't exist if people weren't driven to express their will to power and grow, to want to be their greatest version of themselves, to create a greater thing than the last thing, to push that envelope.

01:45:24.000 While it's not always going to be successful, it's the idea of creating something greater and greater and greater.

01:45:28.000 Now, I mean, there's the argument with science that there's always a, you know, is it...

01:45:33.000 Shoulda or coulda, you know, of course.

01:45:35.000 Of course.

01:45:36.000 There is an element of ethics that has to play into that, I think, that you need to be aware of.

01:45:41.000 And there's also with objects.

01:45:42.000 You don't want to get obsessed and fixated on objects.

01:45:45.000 Correct.

01:45:45.000 But it doesn't mean you can't enjoy a new laptop.

01:45:49.000 Right.

01:45:49.000 Well, and I think that a lot of these new, like, champagne socialist type folks, they enjoy.

01:45:56.000 That's a great expression.

01:45:57.000 They enjoy the new laptops and the new iPhones and all that stuff.

01:46:00.000 They love all the modern conveniences of the capitalist country that we live in.

01:46:05.000 And if someone wanted to sit down and talk to me about the elements of our society, of our capitalist economy, and how the issues within it now, totally.

01:46:19.000 I get it. 0.98

01:46:20.000 No, our system is fucked up in a lot of ways. 0.99

01:46:22.000 Don't get me wrong. 0.98

01:46:23.000 But by replacing it with...

01:46:26.000 You know, some sort of a Marxist system.

01:46:29.000 Now you're just asking for...

01:46:30.000 I mean, we already have enough trouble with people in power being unseatable, in a sense.

01:46:36.000 Like, us having a very ineffective way of really affecting our political system and creating change within it and having things, you know, taken away, new laws created, altered.

01:46:50.000 Like, it's so impossible, right?

01:46:52.000 But it's like, it's a system that works...

01:46:55.000 Outside of us, even though we're supposedly the ones that can control it.

01:47:00.000 But you create a communist system, right?

01:47:04.000 You create a full state-secured system.

01:47:07.000 You really have no ability to affect that without some sort of violent revolution, which doesn't...

01:47:14.000 Not probably in your best interest with the way technology and military and all that stuff.

01:47:20.000 I mean, no one wants things to get to that point.

01:47:23.000 And so...

01:47:24.000 So they always preach a ramped-down version of it, though, because, like, the...

01:47:27.000 Well, there's never any...

01:47:28.000 By the way, there's never been a true communist system, or there's never been true Marxism. 0.97

01:47:33.000 It's always the fucking no-true-Scotsman fallacy. 0.95

01:47:35.000 It's like, it never happened. 0.98

01:47:36.000 This never happened yet. 0.99

01:47:37.000 And it's like, what the fuck do you think the Soviets were doing? 0.97

01:47:40.000 What do you think that the Maoists... 0.99

01:47:42.000 They all thought they were doing it, right?

01:47:43.000 Right.

01:47:44.000 You know?

01:47:44.000 And even then, when you go to look at China nowadays, well...

01:47:48.000 They got all these capitalist elements within it that are making their economy just fucking flush with money.

01:47:53.000 So flush with money that they're like, I don't want to give it to the government.

01:47:57.000 So they send it all over to Vancouver and buy up all these houses and stuff like that.

01:48:01.000 And then have their teenage kid live there. 0.96

01:48:04.000 All over Hollywood, even Bel Air.

01:48:06.000 Right.

01:48:06.000 A lot of Asian money, a lot of money from Saudi Arabia as well.

01:48:09.000 Right.

01:48:10.000 And, you know, Saudi Arabia, you're talking theocracy. 0.93

01:48:14.000 Yeah, and they're worried about their money getting taken away over there.

01:48:16.000 So they buy real estate over here.

01:48:18.000 Yeah.

01:48:18.000 And also, it's very valuable.

01:48:20.000 It keeps going up.

01:48:21.000 It's a good investment.

01:48:22.000 And when you're making trillions of dollars by sucking oil out of the ground.

01:48:25.000 Sure, sure, sure.

01:48:25.000 And, you know, at the end of the day...

01:48:29.000 The thing about all this stuff is that if you give people the most opportunity to be free, you're also given the most opportunity to be shitty. 0.87

01:48:38.000 And you have to accept that. 0.98

01:48:40.000 You just have to accept that some people are just going to be fucking assholes, some people are going to be shitty, some people are going to try and create a system that you're not going to like, that's going to reward others for things that you don't think it should. 0.99

01:48:53.000 You're always going to get those hedge fund dudes. 1.00

01:48:55.000 You're always going to get those guys who have those gigantic estates in the Hamptons and fuck people over. 0.92

01:49:00.000 My ex-girlfriend graduated with a physics degree. 0.98

01:49:05.000 Didn't use it.

01:49:06.000 Okay, fine.

01:49:07.000 But you spent all this money to go to that school and should it have cost that much money?

01:49:11.000 Should the rates on loans be with you?

01:49:12.000 I don't think so.

01:49:13.000 I think that's a real scam.

01:49:14.000 You didn't probably understand or were ill-equipped to understand like all of us were when it came to school. 0.99

01:49:20.000 Yeah, when you're 18, you don't know what the fuck that means. 0.69

01:49:22.000 We didn't really understand what a racket it was at the time, so I totally feel for her there. 0.70

01:49:28.000 So then she goes and she gets a different job doing something else, but made her great money, but she hated it, didn't like it, didn't want to be in that. 0.97

01:49:34.000 All right, so then chose to fight and do personal trainer stuff, and then would always gripe about how she didn't make enough money, and it's like, well...

01:49:44.000 You could do, okay, well then how about this?

01:49:46.000 You charge X amount per hour normally.

01:49:49.000 Well, how about you set a limit to where you get to X amount of people and then once you go over that, now you double the fee because it's not really worth it to you anymore, is it?

01:49:58.000 So you create an increase and you see what your minimum is and then over that...

01:50:05.000 And if people are willing to pay it, then they pay it.

01:50:08.000 Well, I couldn't do that.

01:50:09.000 That would be unethical to charge these people, double what I'm charging these people or whatever.

01:50:13.000 It's like, well, okay then.

01:50:14.000 How about you create a class schedule set up and you iron out some time here.

01:50:18.000 We're getting very specific here.

01:50:20.000 Instead of teaching one person, you teach five people, but then you charge them two-thirds what you charge.

01:50:24.000 It's just like, well, okay.

01:50:27.000 At the end of the day, I think we're good to go.

01:50:48.000 The one thing we can't do is just be upset.

01:50:51.000 But that's what people like to do.

01:50:52.000 Of course.

01:50:52.000 Because they would like it to be, oh, I can do this, or I should be able to do this, I should be able to do that.

01:50:58.000 It's fun though.

01:50:59.000 You can do these things. 0.97

01:51:01.000 People just love to bitch and just chase their tail and go around in circles. 1.00

01:51:05.000 Freedom. 0.95

01:51:07.000 Being truly free, let's just say in an existential sense, means that you have to take responsibility for all these actions, but it's also all on you to find your own success.

01:51:16.000 And that means you're going to fail.

01:51:18.000 That means you're going to struggle.

01:51:19.000 That means all these difficulties are going to happen.

01:51:22.000 But I personally believe that through struggle and these difficulties, that's where growth comes as well.

01:51:26.000 Well, the question is what's the alternative?

01:51:28.000 The alternative is what?

01:51:29.000 You sit around and complain whenever someone else is more successful than you.

01:51:32.000 Sit around and complain that you're not making enough money.

01:51:34.000 You sit around and complain that the deck is stacked against you.

01:51:37.000 Sit around and complain that you didn't use your education.

01:51:39.000 Sit around and complain that in your field of choice you didn't succeed.

01:51:42.000 Well, here's the other thing.

01:51:43.000 A lot of people then want to find somebody who is the reason for their downfall.

01:51:47.000 This thing is what's keeping me from being successful.

01:51:52.000 That's the boyfriend.

01:51:54.000 I wasn't.

01:51:55.000 Everything I did was to help.

01:51:57.000 I did as much as I could.

01:51:58.000 You're in the way, bro.

01:51:58.000 You're too big.

01:52:00.000 Talk too much shit. 1.00

01:52:01.000 You're too opinionated. 1.00

01:52:02.000 Too smart.

01:52:03.000 I'm tired of it. 1.00

01:52:04.000 At the end of the day, fuck, I got... 1.00

01:52:09.000 I got completely betrayed and cheated on for months in the end of it. 1.00

01:52:13.000 So it's just like, oh, well, I put all this investment into trying to help this other person and create a life with them only to get completely screwed over in the end.

01:52:21.000 I'm sorry to hear about that, but we're getting super personal here.

01:52:24.000 Yeah, it's true.

01:52:25.000 But what it comes down to also is that...

01:52:28.000 When you look at these kind of things, you have to say, well, okay, what would I have done differently?

01:52:34.000 And you should be like, for the most part, you shouldn't have done anything differently.

01:52:38.000 When you invest in somebody else, when you do for somebody else, you don't do it for the return or for what you think you're going to get out of them.

01:52:45.000 You do it because you're doing it because it is what you believe is the right thing to do.

01:52:50.000 Then to be...

01:52:52.000 You can be upset about the way things have turned out.

01:52:55.000 You can be upset about, well, ethically, I think you did this or you did that.

01:52:58.000 You can be upset about those things.

01:53:00.000 But then to...

01:53:02.000 It's just like whenever you come across that person that just has nothing but shitty things to say about their ex, it's probably you.

01:53:08.000 Oh, dude.

01:53:08.000 For me, I could be like, nah, I thought my ex was the greatest woman I'd ever met.

01:53:12.000 And she absolutely possessed qualities that aligned with that.

01:53:16.000 But she also had some really terrible ones that ended up being...

01:53:20.000 Right, but whenever you meet someone and all they do is complain about their exes, there's usually a little of them and what they're saying too.

01:53:26.000 But see, that's just, you know, this is just human beings in their own existence.

01:53:30.000 And so, be it their relationship, be it their business, be it, you know, all these things are all stemming from the same elements within themselves.

01:53:38.000 Now, they are subject to other, you know, very specific elements to, like, things that are specific to a relationship.

01:53:45.000 So what do you mean by?

01:53:45.000 What kind of elements?

01:53:47.000 Well, okay, when it comes to... 0.93

01:53:48.000 So you had a point to, like, what's the, for most people, like, what's the big factor in not getting their shit together? 0.98

01:53:55.000 The big factor in not getting their shit together is not coming to terms with their own Inefficiency, failures, or inability to accomplish a certain task. 0.98

01:54:06.000 And looking outside of that for a reason versus looking internally to see, like, I didn't have enough skill to do X, Y, to do this thing. 0.98

01:54:17.000 Or I didn't put in enough time to acquire the skill to do that.

01:54:22.000 Or I made a mistake here that cost this.

01:54:25.000 When it comes to relationships, you know, it's where it lies.

01:54:30.000 The difficulty lies there.

01:54:31.000 It can be specific to different emotional elements versus your work, versus how you even find time to make the most out of your leisure time.

01:54:46.000 Every situation has its own subjectivity to it based on these other external factors that change from each situation.

01:54:55.000 But ultimately, everything's stemming from you anyways.

01:54:58.000 So your way of approaching these things and dealing with these problems and how you let them affect you.

01:55:05.000 And I'm not just talking about being a complete stoic and being just cold and unaffected and unfeeling.

01:55:12.000 It's just about...

01:55:14.000 Having these things happen and then what do you do about it?

01:55:17.000 Also, how do you measure that metric?

01:55:19.000 If you have the greatest year of life and then you have an hour that's super shitty in traffic, did that really stuck with you and someone hit your car and my challenger's got a dent in it?

01:55:32.000 Did I really have the worst day ever?

01:55:34.000 Or did I just have an hour of an aggravation that sucked, but ultimately, if I allow that to take away from everything that happened up to that point, then I just assigned all this value into this one moment.

01:55:49.000 That really was unnecessary.

01:55:51.000 You train a lot of fighters. 1.00

01:55:52.000 Do you sit down and talk to them about this kind of shit as well? 1.00

01:55:57.000 Yes, 100%. 1.00

01:55:58.000 Is this a big part of how you think about it as a program?

01:56:01.000 For sure.

01:56:02.000 Because whoever I take under my wing, I don't just train people to train them.

01:56:08.000 I don't...

01:56:09.000 Them being fighters is one piece of their life.

01:56:12.000 One element.

01:56:13.000 Honestly, eventually it'll be a small element, but it has a lot of impact and meaning.

01:56:20.000 I mentor people when I work with them.

01:56:22.000 I'm trying to help them visualize and achieve their greatest state of being from what they can get.

01:56:31.000 Now, fighting may be a vehicle to help try to achieve that, but ultimately...

01:56:37.000 They're living their life and they have something that they're trying to accomplish with that.

01:56:41.000 And so for me, I'm trying to help them realize what that is.

01:56:45.000 And that's going to be different for other people just as much as you can't coach everyone the same way.

01:56:50.000 Everybody needs something a little different in terms of what they're trying to achieve and people want to achieve different things.

01:56:55.000 Of course, they have this element of fighting and success within fighting that is a bond that is a similarity amongst the rest of them and even amongst me.

01:57:06.000 But beyond that, that changes from there on out.

01:57:09.000 So, you know, just recently I've been working with Travis Brown. 0.99

01:57:15.000 You know, people are like, holy fuck, you guys are your homies? 0.99

01:57:18.000 What the hell happened? 0.99

01:57:19.000 And it's just, the thing was is that Travis had tried to get in touch with me through Marina before.

01:57:26.000 Like, hey, he really wants to talk to you.

01:57:29.000 And I'm just like, okay, I wonder what he wants to talk about.

01:57:32.000 And this is like, Over a year ago, I think.

01:57:37.000 But for one reason or the other, we weren't able to ever cross paths.

01:57:41.000 But through that time, it would keep coming back.

01:57:44.000 He really wants to see you.

01:57:48.000 Not just text you.

01:57:49.000 Not just chat with you on the phone, but actually see you.

01:57:53.000 Okay.

01:57:54.000 That already says something to me.

01:57:56.000 That already has a lot more meaning.

01:57:58.000 And so, sure enough, I meet up with him this one time at a coffee shop.

01:58:02.000 And he just wanted to sit down.

01:58:05.000 Man to man, eye to eye, and just go over any of the beef that we had had and make his statements and any apologies and anything that I might have to say and any apologies. 0.99

01:58:16.000 And I was like, holy fuck. 0.99

01:58:18.000 I use man. 1.00

01:58:20.000 I'm not trying to be specific.

01:58:21.000 But any person that is willing to sit down and be accountable...

01:58:26.000 And hear somebody else's side and just show up and be like, look, man, I'm not looking for something from you, but I'm trying to be open and deal with whatever this is out here.

01:58:36.000 Put it to bed.

01:58:36.000 Yeah.

01:58:38.000 That's very admirable.

01:58:39.000 Exactly.

01:58:40.000 It is such a rare commodity.

01:58:42.000 And how long ago did this happen?

01:58:44.000 Maybe about six months ago.

01:58:45.000 And he's got a fight schedule right now, right?

01:58:47.000 That's right.

01:58:47.000 Maybe it was even a little more than six months ago.

01:58:49.000 He's fighting Alexi Olenek.

01:58:50.000 And so he hits me up.

01:58:51.000 He goes, hey, I would love it if you could help me out.

01:58:54.000 So for me, it was a no-brainer. 0.99

01:58:56.000 Like, fuck yeah, I'll be there. 0.90

01:58:57.000 And so I drove out to Vegas with one of my guys, Shohei Yamamoto, who was getting ready for his, the Kyokushin kid. 0.98

01:59:03.000 He's fighting locally here in CXF. So I'm like, I'm going to finish this kid's camp out here, away from everybody else.

01:59:11.000 And I'm going to help you out at the same time.

01:59:13.000 Cool?

01:59:14.000 Cool.

01:59:14.000 So he put us up in his place.

01:59:16.000 We would go and we'd train twice a day.

01:59:18.000 I would work with him on grappling.

01:59:20.000 I would spar with him and just take on that role of coach alongside Ricky Lindell and Ray Sefo.

01:59:26.000 And he's a fantastic student.

01:59:28.000 When did he start working with Ray?

01:59:30.000 I think he's been working with Ray for about a year now.

01:59:33.000 About a year, I think.

01:59:34.000 That's a good move.

01:59:35.000 He's kicking again.

01:59:36.000 Thank God.

01:59:36.000 He's throwing knees, which is great.

01:59:37.000 Yeah, a guy 6'7".

01:59:39.000 6'7", and moves like Dominic Cruz.

01:59:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:59:42.000 Sorry, Dominic.

01:59:44.000 But when he was at his best for a heavyweight, there's no one who moves like him.

01:59:48.000 He's very agile on his feet.

01:59:50.000 He's got great quickness, and he's got great reach, good power.

01:59:54.000 Hell, I should know.

01:59:57.000 The thing is, he just didn't feel that he was getting what he best needed, so he made a change.

02:00:06.000 And even still, for fighting someone like Alexi, he felt that, oh, well, having a guy that was a good grappler and also good at that head and arm position, which Alexi likes...

02:00:16.000 To have someone come in here and work with him in these very specific areas.

02:00:20.000 But for me, it's like, well, if you want me to be here, I'll be here and I'll help you in any way I can.

02:00:25.000 And so I would work with him while we're sparring.

02:00:27.000 We would do situational stuff.

02:00:29.000 And he was just like a sponge and watching him get better every day and having some other guys around to help and be bodies too.

02:00:37.000 And it ended up being great.

02:00:39.000 It also was great for Shohei because I was able to put him in a very...

02:00:44.000 Isolated environment and keep his focus so razor sharp and he went and knocked his guy out in 22 seconds who was undefeated.

02:00:50.000 That's awesome.

02:00:50.000 So now Travis is in town doing some press stuff and I'm going to try and link up with him as much as possible and just keep working with him.

02:00:59.000 And the thing is, guys like that, I mean, they're already physical.

02:01:02.000 They already have fights under their belt. 0.61

02:01:04.000 They already accomplished.

02:01:06.000 With them, it's about nuance.

02:01:08.000 So you're going to be like his head coach?

02:01:11.000 There's discussion of that.

02:01:12.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:01:13.000 I mean, but the reality is that I just need to do whatever it is I can do to help him and his team and be a part of all that.

02:01:21.000 And, you know, whether I'm a head coach or an assistant coach, I don't really care.

02:01:25.000 It doesn't matter what the time is.

02:01:26.000 I just need to be in there, in the trenches with these guys, putting our heads together, and helping Travis be the best he can be as a fighter.

02:01:36.000 And even then, through these training sessions, you're teaching somebody about getting out of a move, you're teaching somebody about doing a move, but wrapped in that whole bubble is, okay, you're having a hard time right now, yeah?

02:01:48.000 Yeah.

02:01:48.000 Okay.

02:01:49.000 That's okay because you're still moving forward.

02:01:52.000 Don't worry about how difficult it is. 0.99

02:01:54.000 Sometimes this is going to be hard as shit. 0.97

02:01:56.000 Other times things will work just like that. 0.99

02:01:59.000 It doesn't matter.

02:02:00.000 The matter is you got to keep going.

02:02:02.000 You got to keep moving forward.

02:02:03.000 You got to keep fighting.

02:02:04.000 You got to keep working.

02:02:05.000 And then from one position, it's like, well, you can't afford to be here at all.

02:02:10.000 So no matter how hard it is, you got to get out.

02:02:13.000 But you can rest over here.

02:02:14.000 Or it's like, you know, this training session was super fucking hard. 0.85

02:02:20.000 That's great.

02:02:21.000 If you're not pushing yourself into your absolute exhaustion now, how do you think you're going to perform when it's at its utmost?

02:02:28.000 So he wasn't getting that?

02:02:29.000 No, no, no.

02:02:30.000 I'm just throwing out examples, but it's just about working with him on a mental level too and getting his mind in that best state to then best use those physical capabilities because ultimately, in my opinion, mental is the most important aspect when it comes to fighting.

02:02:46.000 How you approach these things, your mentality towards...

02:02:50.000 Each individual skirmish within that fight that eventually leads to either your success or your failure.

02:02:59.000 That's always the thing.

02:03:01.000 It's like whether I could teach someone to throw a kick this way or kick that way.

02:03:04.000 There's always a way to make something work.

02:03:08.000 Maybe there are some techniques that are more low percentage than others, but there will always be a guy that can make it work. 0.98

02:03:15.000 However, Your mental, the way you approach a fight mentally is the fucking thing that is the hardest thing to hone. 0.98

02:03:25.000 The hardest thing to change over. 0.99

02:03:27.000 The hardest realizations to create is all in terms of how you mentally approach a fight.

02:03:32.000 How to control your nerves or how to...

02:03:36.000 Are you talking about writing this out like as a book?

02:03:39.000 Yeah, I do.

02:03:40.000 I think about writing in terms of fighting.

02:03:43.000 I think about writing in terms of philosophy.

02:03:45.000 I think about maybe doing speaking engagements, stuff like that.

02:03:49.000 If you sat down and came up with sort of a comprehensive step-by-step for young fighters, that would be super valuable.

02:03:55.000 Maybe.

02:03:55.000 I don't know.

02:03:56.000 I guess if you come up with a step-by-step...

02:03:59.000 Sure, you could do that.

02:04:01.000 Which, of course, is going to be, just like you said, framework.

02:04:05.000 Yeah, give them tools to fall back on if they're in a certain situation.

02:04:08.000 This is something you can call on.

02:04:10.000 This is something you can think about if you find yourself stuck.

02:04:13.000 This is the mindset.

02:04:14.000 Instead of just swimming out there, freaking out and treading water and trying to figure out how long you can do it for, have a very specific mindset that you adopt or that you take on when you're in a bad spot.

02:04:24.000 Sure.

02:04:24.000 And a lot of drills and things that I'll create for fighters are based on creating comforts.

02:04:32.000 And familiarity to where things get to a point where you're not thinking about it anymore, but you're so comfortable and in that moment, in that space, that you can react and act as most easily as possible.

02:04:48.000 And also, once you end up in a...

02:04:50.000 Position that is negative to you, that is detrimental, how to then work your way through it and still do so with comfort.

02:04:58.000 Like, I loved watching Liz Carmouche on Rhonda's back because Rhonda stayed so, so calm that that's how she was able to work her way through it, fight that arm off her head, keep in good position, and eventually work her way out of it instead of seizing up and possibly You know, 0.99

02:05:19.000 locking in place and then Liz being able to finish that face lock or that choke. 1.00

02:05:23.000 What did you think about that Kevin Lee Chiasa fight?

02:05:26.000 I didn't watch it.

02:05:27.000 You didn't watch it?

02:05:27.000 No.

02:05:28.000 How dare you?

02:05:29.000 I know.

02:05:30.000 I'm a fighter that doesn't really watch fights.

02:05:32.000 It is a crazy ending.

02:05:33.000 So I heard.

02:05:34.000 Yeah, Kevin Lee took Kiesa's back, which is Kiesa's thing, right? 0.85

02:05:38.000 Yeah.

02:05:38.000 And he took his back, sunk the choke in, Kiesa fought her off, he went palm to palm.

02:05:44.000 Kiesa was trying to gut it out, he says, and Mario Yamasaki steps in and stops it before he taps.

02:05:52.000 I wouldn't have done that.

02:05:53.000 No one does that.

02:05:55.000 Especially to a choke. 0.91

02:05:56.000 It's one thing if a guy's arm is snapped and you see it broken and then you call the fight.

02:06:01.000 Right.

02:06:02.000 But this is not that.

02:06:03.000 And he's saying that he thought he went out.

02:06:05.000 It's just 100% poor officiating.

02:06:08.000 I mean, I haven't seen any argument from anybody on the right side.

02:06:11.000 I mean, in terms of people that either work for the UFC, trainers, fighters, even jiu-jitsu athletes.

02:06:18.000 Yeah.

02:06:18.000 Everybody says...

02:06:19.000 Should have let him go out.

02:06:19.000 You've got to let him go out.

02:06:20.000 I agree.

02:06:21.000 It's not a bad thing.

02:06:23.000 But...

02:06:23.000 Who knows what he would be dreaming about?

02:06:25.000 For people who don't know, it's not like getting knocked out.

02:06:28.000 Yeah, he could have been dreaming about being with two chicks. 0.95

02:06:30.000 Yeah, it doesn't hurt you, is my point, for people who don't understand what we're advocating.

02:06:35.000 It's not like, let a guy get knocked out.

02:06:36.000 When we get knocked out, it's not good.

02:06:38.000 But when you get choked out, it's almost nothing.

02:06:40.000 It literally is almost nothing.

02:06:42.000 Pretty much.

02:06:43.000 It's a little...

02:06:44.000 Your neck's going to be sore.

02:06:45.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:06:45.000 And I don't think...

02:06:48.000 Yeah, I know Mario.

02:06:50.000 I've known him for a long time.

02:06:52.000 He just made a mistake.

02:06:53.000 And that's the thing, you know, referees are human. 0.99

02:06:56.000 Look, it's a fucking very hard job. 0.98

02:06:59.000 He probably thought Chiesel went out. 0.99

02:07:00.000 He thought, he saw, here we can take a look at it here.

02:07:03.000 Let's play the whole thing back from the beginning, Jamie, so you can see that.

02:07:06.000 I can only get it from here.

02:07:07.000 Okay, just, okay, go ahead from there.

02:07:08.000 So he's get it, he locks it on the neck, he's got the Kiesa's fighting it. 1.00

02:07:12.000 Kiesa's fighting it, peels it off, and then Kevin locks the body triangle down tighter.

02:07:18.000 I see it.

02:07:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:07:19.000 Gets that palm to palm, and look at this.

02:07:21.000 See, he's fighting it off, and look, he's not out at all.

02:07:25.000 No.

02:07:25.000 He's like, I didn't tap.

02:07:26.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:07:26.000 I didn't tap. 1.00

02:07:27.000 I think that's a bullshit stoppage. 0.99

02:07:29.000 And it's not, you know, look, Mario made a mistake, but it's a bullshit stoppage, 100%. 0.99

02:07:33.000 I can't even imagine anybody defending that stoppage. 0.95

02:07:38.000 There's no reason.

02:07:39.000 Well, you know what, they're going to defend it.

02:07:41.000 Because if you don't defend making that stoppage... 0.99

02:07:45.000 He's crazy.

02:07:46.000 Well, I understand that, but people don't want to... 0.97

02:07:50.000 They don't want to admit it.

02:07:50.000 They don't want to accept any blame.

02:07:51.000 Let's watch it one more time.

02:07:52.000 Because accepting blame may...

02:07:53.000 See, he's gutting it out.

02:07:55.000 Yeah.

02:07:55.000 He's gutting it out, man.

02:07:56.000 Look, people don't realize it takes a lot of effort to squeeze that.

02:07:59.000 Palm to palm, in particular, using a lot of muscle.

02:08:02.000 There's not a whole lot of...

02:08:03.000 It's not the same kind of leverage that you get when you do the traditional karate chop behind your head.

02:08:07.000 I see his hands kind of up in the air here.

02:08:10.000 But, I mean, you can still grab...

02:08:12.000 You can touch the guy's arm.

02:08:13.000 Yeah, and they're stiff.

02:08:15.000 He's still resisting.

02:08:17.000 It's not like strikes, where you have to have your hands up covering yourself.

02:08:21.000 To resist it, he can resist by just really flexing his neck.

02:08:25.000 It's not smart.

02:08:26.000 And Tyron Woodley had the best commentary on this, honestly.

02:08:29.000 He was on that UFC panel show.

02:08:32.000 And he's like, look, you shouldn't be in that position in the first place.

02:08:36.000 You shouldn't be defending it like that with your hands like that.

02:08:39.000 And you shouldn't have let that guy get his arm under your chin like that.

02:08:43.000 All those things are bad technique, and he's dead right.

02:08:46.000 He's dead right.

02:08:47.000 The whole thing is kind of crazy.

02:08:49.000 He took a beating before that.

02:08:53.000 This is one of the things you don't get in the context of this.

02:08:55.000 As he was getting shellacked?

02:08:56.000 Yes, because Kevin Lee had his back and while he had his back, see if you can find that.

02:09:00.000 I can see that he's cut, he's been bleeding. 0.55

02:09:03.000 He had his back and he was beating the fuck out of him from behind with his back just bang, bang, bang while he's back riding him. 0.98

02:09:10.000 He beat the shit out of him before that. 0.98

02:09:13.000 So he's probably stunned. 0.80

02:09:14.000 And you know, I'm also of the sort that sees guys that are getting hit in the four-point position, turtle position, you know, guys are swinging on them, and they've got their arms up and they're covered.

02:09:25.000 Often, a lot of times, they're like, just keep letting it go.

02:09:27.000 You're not getting through, but reps will see, like, oh, it looks bad, we're stopping it.

02:09:30.000 It's like, but he's not really getting hit.

02:09:32.000 I agree with you, 100%.

02:09:33.000 I think there's been many fights where fights were stopped quick, when a guy was covered up, where there's nothing else he could do but cover up.

02:09:40.000 What else is he going to do?

02:09:41.000 Yeah, the guy's swinging on him, but he can't land a successful...

02:09:44.000 The only reason that guy is flurring so hard, really...

02:09:47.000 I mean, well, not the only, but the main reason is probably because he thinks the ref's going to stop it.

02:09:50.000 Exactly. 1.00

02:09:51.000 Beyond that, he wouldn't put that kind of effort into it, unless he's just completely losing his shit and being like, oh, fuck it! 1.00

02:09:56.000 And he's not thinking about it, which could come back to haunt him. 1.00

02:09:59.000 Like, I've seen a lot of times, old, old, old, old school fights, guys even in mount just unload on a guy, and the guy survives it, reverses it, and eventually he gets his...

02:10:10.000 And it's done.

02:10:11.000 Shane Carwin, Brock Lesnar.

02:10:12.000 Yeah.

02:10:13.000 Perfect example. 0.99

02:10:14.000 Shane Carwin beat the fucking shit out of Brock Lesnar for a full round. 0.99

02:10:18.000 Got on top of him. 0.99

02:10:19.000 Full mount.

02:10:20.000 Yep. 0.97

02:10:20.000 Dropping bombs on him. 0.97

02:10:21.000 Yep.

02:10:22.000 Somehow or another Brock Lesnar survives.

02:10:24.000 Takes Shane down the second round and submits him quick.

02:10:25.000 Yep.

02:10:26.000 It happens.

02:10:27.000 You've got to let fights play out.

02:10:28.000 But I think in that situation, there's no argument for stopping the fight.

02:10:34.000 Because it's not like strikes.

02:10:36.000 There could be an argument where Brock Lesnar is on the bottom and he's not moving enough and maybe some people who are a little bit more cautious might have stopped that fight.

02:10:44.000 But there's no argument to stop that fight.

02:10:45.000 I don't think that the fight should have been stopped.

02:10:48.000 I also think that Michael Chiesa needs to do a better job at not letting guys get under his chin.

02:10:52.000 Yeah.

02:10:52.000 But what do you do about that?

02:10:54.000 If you're the commissioner, if you're the king of the world, do you make it a no contest?

02:10:58.000 I think if you're a commissioner, you...

02:11:01.000 I don't know.

02:11:02.000 I kind of feel like you have to give him the win.

02:11:05.000 It's hard to reverse something like that. 0.98

02:11:07.000 It's a mistake that the referee fucked up for sure.

02:11:09.000 He stopped the fight, but he stopped the fight based on a, and this is where I'm going to go against myself, a very advantageous position that was as close to finalizing and finishing as you can discern, where a guy's no longer defending with his hands. 0.94

02:11:23.000 He's hanging in there.

02:11:24.000 I mean, I think Mario fucked up because he didn't let it get to 10, but he let it get to 9. It got to 9. Yeah. 0.94

02:11:31.000 Yeah, that's the thing too.

02:11:32.000 He was so locked into that choke.

02:11:34.000 You can't take his victory away.

02:11:36.000 I feel like you can't take Kevin Lee's victory away.

02:11:39.000 Me too.

02:11:41.000 It's just no good.

02:11:42.000 There's no good that comes of that.

02:11:43.000 It's not good.

02:11:44.000 To give them an immediate rematch, I think that's the move.

02:11:47.000 That's exciting.

02:11:48.000 That's a good move.

02:11:49.000 Yeah, I could see that.

02:11:49.000 But here's the thing, you know, this is prize fighting.

02:11:52.000 Right.

02:11:52.000 Is there the interest?

02:11:54.000 I think there is.

02:11:54.000 Alright, then make it happen.

02:11:55.000 I think there is.

02:11:56.000 Then make it happen.

02:11:56.000 I'm interested.

02:11:57.000 The promoters gotta make money on it.

02:11:59.000 Yeah, I think that's a good fight to have in Detroit.

02:12:02.000 Because I think they're gonna do a UFC in Detroit, I heard.

02:12:05.000 I'm scheduled to do a...

02:12:06.000 Isn't Detroit having a UFC basically every night?

02:12:11.000 No, I think it's different.

02:12:12.000 It's more like a battlecade.

02:12:17.000 Old school.

02:12:19.000 John Peretti's just hanging around saying, oh, it's so sexy.

02:12:22.000 Such a sexy choke. 1.00

02:12:24.000 He's riding him like a pony.

02:12:27.000 Most people have no idea what you're talking about.

02:12:29.000 I have partied with John Peretti.

02:12:31.000 I love John Peretti's commentary.

02:12:34.000 I just enjoy him.

02:12:35.000 It's fantastic.

02:12:37.000 He brought a lot of really good fighters to the world of MMA. He did.

02:12:42.000 He had a great eye for picking talent.

02:12:44.000 He was the guy that found Andrei Orlovsky.

02:12:48.000 Igor Zinoviev, Mario Sperry.

02:12:51.000 Maurice Smith.

02:12:52.000 Maurice Smith, yeah.

02:12:53.000 Matt Hume.

02:12:54.000 Yeah.

02:12:54.000 Well, I was gonna bring up Sakuraba.

02:12:56.000 Like, when Sakuraba fought Conan in the UFC, that was the first time we saw a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt get submitted.

02:13:02.000 Right.

02:13:02.000 We were like, we thought they were invulnerable.

02:13:04.000 Well, and up to that point, and the fight before that, he clips Sakuraba with a good shot, Sakuraba drops in on a single, and then...

02:13:12.000 Big John accidentally stopped the fight.

02:13:13.000 Right.

02:13:13.000 But then they let him fight again.

02:13:15.000 Yes. 0.99

02:13:15.000 Which is the craziest fucking thing ever. 0.99

02:13:17.000 Like, they would never do that today. 0.99

02:13:18.000 No, never.

02:13:19.000 That's crazy.

02:13:20.000 I forgot about that.

02:13:21.000 That is a very, very unusual turn of events.

02:13:24.000 And on that very night, Randy Couture beat Marie Smith for the UFC Heavyweight title.

02:13:28.000 And his tights got torn.

02:13:30.000 So you could see his speedos underneath that Randy was wearing.

02:13:35.000 Wasn't that when Frank Shamrock also beat Kevin Jackson?

02:13:38.000 Yep.

02:13:38.000 Armbar.

02:13:39.000 In like 20 seconds.

02:13:40.000 With shoes on.

02:13:41.000 Yep.

02:13:41.000 Yeah.

02:13:46.000 Old school, man.

02:13:48.000 I loved it.

02:13:48.000 That was the first UFC. That's when I quit.

02:13:50.000 I quit at that UFC. I'm like, I'm not going to Japan.

02:13:52.000 That's when I quit.

02:13:53.000 Back in the old days.

02:13:54.000 When I was doing the post-fight interviews.

02:13:56.000 Didn't we do one back in the day?

02:13:58.000 On the graffiti brick wall thing?

02:14:01.000 Yeah, we did something, man.

02:14:02.000 Yeah.

02:14:03.000 You know what?

02:14:05.000 When you won the title, I was there, but I wasn't working for the UFC. I was just watching.

02:14:11.000 And that was back when I was just friends with Dana, and I was just going to the events and enjoying them.

02:14:18.000 I watched you fight Randy from like, I think I was like six feet away.

02:14:22.000 I think I was like front row.

02:14:23.000 Back in the day, Josh Barnett! 0.99

02:14:26.000 Back in the fucking day, man. 0.99

02:14:28.000 Baby-faced assassin with less scars and a lot less gray hair. 0.99

02:14:31.000 Dude, I remember you fighting in Hawaii.

02:14:34.000 Yep, Super Brawl.

02:14:35.000 Yeah.

02:14:36.000 Dan Severn and that eight-man tournament that I won that had all those dudes in. 0.95

02:14:39.000 Abu Dhabi champion Rico Rodriguez and John Marsh, Travis Fulton.

02:14:45.000 I think he only had like 115 fights at that point.

02:14:48.000 How much does Travis have now?

02:14:49.000 Doesn't he have like 300 fights?

02:14:50.000 I don't know.

02:14:51.000 Something insane?

02:14:52.000 Jeremy Horn I always thought was insane because he had like 150. And then you find out about Travis.

02:14:57.000 Dan Severn's got like a hundred.

02:14:58.000 Does he?

02:14:58.000 Yeah.

02:14:59.000 Like a hundred victories?

02:15:00.000 Isn't he still fighting?

02:15:01.000 I don't think so.

02:15:02.000 He's been doing a little bit of pro wrestling, but no fighting.

02:15:04.000 He had a very gray, blurry line between fighting and pro wrestling, to put it charitably.

02:15:10.000 There was like some...

02:15:11.000 There was a couple that people had called into question.

02:15:14.000 A couple of Takatas in there. 0.72

02:15:17.000 Hmm.

02:15:18.000 Yeah.

02:15:19.000 Well, it's amazing that he kept it up as long as he did, but that was because of his solid wrestling, you know?

02:15:23.000 Well, he's just like a real serious competitor.

02:15:25.000 You know, he had that competition streak that would allow him to continue to drive and perform like that.

02:15:30.000 But as he got older, you know, the wrong matchups, it could be a guy he'd never even heard of. 0.99

02:15:34.000 And it's like, oh shit, Dan Severn just got shellacked. 0.99

02:15:36.000 Yeah. 0.87

02:15:37.000 Well, when you look back at your initial fights in MMA, like in Superbrawl, and then entering into the UFC, which is like, when was your first fight in the UFC? What year?

02:15:48.000 Uh...

02:15:48.000 2001?

02:15:50.000 Yeah.

02:15:50.000 See, that was when I was...

02:15:51.000 Or 2000....not working with them yet.

02:15:54.000 That was when I quit.

02:15:55.000 Well, it was UFC 28. Yeah.

02:15:57.000 Gam McGee.

02:15:58.000 And then UFC 30 was Pedro Hizzo.

02:16:00.000 32 was Sam Schilt.

02:16:02.000 34 was Bobby Hoffman.

02:16:03.000 You fought Pedro Hizzo when Pedro Hizzo was Pedro Hizzo.

02:16:06.000 Yep.

02:16:07.000 Dude, we showed a clip yesterday of Pedro Hizzo leg-kicking some guy and making him fly through the air.

02:16:12.000 Some journalist pulls the pad on his leg, and Pedro leg-kicks him, and the guy's legs literally go upside down, where his legs are above his head.

02:16:20.000 He goes flying.

02:16:21.000 He's such a cool dude, man.

02:16:22.000 It's just like seeing him over all the years, training at his gym in Brazil when I was down there.

02:16:28.000 He came and picked me up, picked up me and my ex, and we went out there, trained with this guy, Master Letao, who is one of the Was this before or after your second fight?

02:16:38.000 After our second fight.

02:16:40.000 Oh, wow.

02:16:40.000 Yeah, we were down there, me and my ex, and we're down there to help corner Shayna in her last fight in the UFC. It was in Brazil against Nunes.

02:16:49.000 And while we're down there, it's like, hey, I still want to get in training, and I want to train with all the lute de libre, like, catch-derived guys that I can.

02:16:56.000 And so, yeah, we trained with Master Leitao for a while, and Pedro just let us use his gym.

02:17:02.000 And we would sit there and talk, and I go, you know, one of the things about Pedro, I go...

02:17:06.000 He taught me how to throw the counter right hand even better than I'd ever known, and that pivot step, and they hit it from the other angle, because he knocked me the fuck out with it.

02:17:16.000 And it was so beautiful in the replay, I'm like, I need to learn that.

02:17:19.000 I gotta learn that.

02:17:21.000 That's too.

02:17:22.000 And Pedro would just laugh about it.

02:17:23.000 He goes, oh, well, you know, you got me.

02:17:25.000 I go, eh. 1.00

02:17:26.000 Who gives a shit, man? 1.00

02:17:26.000 We were too busy having fun. 1.00

02:17:28.000 You caught him with a left hook, right?

02:17:30.000 I caught him with a counter right hand.

02:17:32.000 Did you?

02:17:33.000 Over his jab.

02:17:34.000 And I saw him stumble a little bit and I charged forward and then with a running left hook.

02:17:38.000 Yeah.

02:17:39.000 Because I saw the window of opportunity to get in there.

02:17:42.000 I'd already stunned him.

02:17:44.000 And so to a degree, I'm like...

02:17:46.000 Thanks, Pedro.

02:17:48.000 Thanks, Pedro.

02:17:48.000 Did he have the hardest leg kicks you've ever felt?

02:17:50.000 Crow Cop.

02:17:51.000 Crow Cop?

02:17:52.000 Really?

02:17:53.000 Yeah.

02:17:53.000 Wow.

02:17:54.000 That's crazy.

02:17:55.000 Well, I would imagine.

02:17:57.000 I mean, if anybody...

02:17:58.000 Okay, here's just a Crow Cop story.

02:18:00.000 So, it's me and Mirko and Eric Paulson, and we're training in Vegas.

02:18:05.000 I think...

02:18:06.000 I don't know if I was doing commentary on that show or if I was fighting Pavel Natsulo.

02:18:10.000 Either way.

02:18:11.000 We're training at this gym in Vegas, and Mirko came out, so we're rolling around and training together and having a good time.

02:18:17.000 And I think I was fighting.

02:18:19.000 And so Paulson's holding pads for me.

02:18:22.000 And Miracle's like, ah, do this with your left hook and said. 1.00

02:18:25.000 Alright, how about, nah, that's not it.

02:18:28.000 Nah, nah, nah, nah.

02:18:29.000 Here, let me show you.

02:18:30.000 Here, you hold the pad.

02:18:31.000 So Paulson's got this full-on tie pad.

02:18:33.000 Leather tie pad.

02:18:35.000 And he's holding it for Mirko's right hook, since we're talking lead hook, essentially.

02:18:40.000 So Mirko's like, no, I want you to do this.

02:18:43.000 You're doing it like X, so I need you to do it like this.

02:18:46.000 So watch.

02:18:48.000 And he hits this, he right hooks this pad, this tie pad. 0.99

02:18:52.000 It goes, it tears the straps off of Paulson's arm, and it goes flying across the room and hits the wall and bounces off the wall and falls on the fucking ground. 0.96

02:19:02.000 And everyone's just like... 0.91

02:19:04.000 And Paulson's just...

02:19:05.000 His hand is still like this, and he looks at me, and he looks at Mirko, and Mirko's just like, meh.

02:19:11.000 And I just...

02:19:12.000 Everybody's just...

02:19:13.000 It's just silence.

02:19:15.000 Wham!

02:19:16.000 Flap! 0.98

02:19:16.000 Bam! 0.98

02:19:18.000 I just went...

02:19:19.000 See, I took that. 1.00

02:19:21.000 That's what I was getting hit with, and I still managed to stay on my feet, because I'm an idiot. 1.00

02:19:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:19:28.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:19:28.000 I just remember thinking, how the fuck? 1.00

02:19:32.000 This guy is just... 0.99

02:19:34.000 At his best, it's just absolute, pure, explosive power.

02:19:39.000 Just destruction.

02:19:40.000 Yeah, well, he broke Bob Sapp's eyeball in a K-1 fight.

02:19:44.000 Remember that?

02:19:44.000 Yeah, dude.

02:19:45.000 He crushed people with those high kicks.

02:19:47.000 His middle kick was so dangerous to me.

02:19:49.000 His middle and his low kick were the most dangerous because I felt like you could more read the high kick, but if you read the high kick, or if you were too...

02:20:00.000 Too set up to defend the high kick.

02:20:02.000 If he ripped you in your body, that's your ribs.

02:20:04.000 He chopped that leg.

02:20:06.000 Heath Herring versus Krokop where Krokop's kicking him in the body and Krokop's shin is like halfway to his spine.

02:20:14.000 I think there was only one kick too.

02:20:16.000 Yeah.

02:20:17.000 One kick and it was like boom.

02:20:18.000 But it's when you see the penetration of that kick you realize like that's insane.

02:20:23.000 And he had a Taekwondo background that helped him. 0.99

02:20:26.000 But, you know, a guy like that, you could have gave him fucking, you could have had him doing anything, and he's just gonna be a beast, you know? 0.98

02:20:30.000 Well, he had just such ferocious, explosive power. 0.99

02:20:34.000 Remember his stare down with Vanderlei?

02:20:36.000 Probably the best stare down of all time.

02:20:37.000 First time Vanderlei got out stared. 1.00

02:20:40.000 You know, Vanderlei's like doing the crazy eyes, and Mirko's just staring at him like a fucking evil predator. 0.99

02:20:46.000 The two of them look at each other, and I'm like, I gotta give that one to Krokop. 0.99

02:20:49.000 I can't even believe this.

02:20:50.000 Well, think about Crow Cop. 1.00

02:20:51.000 Crow Cop was in war.

02:20:54.000 Look at that kick.

02:20:56.000 Ugh. 1.00

02:20:56.000 Fuck. 1.00

02:20:57.000 Jesus Christ. 1.00

02:20:59.000 I mean, that is deep into his body and right where his liver is.

02:21:04.000 That's an insane power kick.

02:21:08.000 That's that left leg.

02:21:09.000 Yep, and he was the first one to flatline Vandele too.

02:21:12.000 Remember that?

02:21:13.000 When he head kicked Vandele?

02:21:15.000 Yeah, I especially do because I was watching that fight because I was going to go fight Noguera after that. 0.98

02:21:22.000 So I'm sitting here hoping that these guys beat the shit out of each other. 0.99

02:21:25.000 And he goes out there and just fucking crushes them. 0.99

02:21:28.000 So now... 1.00

02:21:30.000 I'm just sitting here thinking, God damn it. 0.99

02:21:32.000 That dude spent two minutes of beating the hell out of this guy. 0.99

02:21:35.000 And now I gotta go out and fight Noguera. 1.00

02:21:37.000 How crazy is the chin on Mark Hunt? 1.00

02:21:39.000 He gets fucking head kicked full on. 1.00

02:21:41.000 He goes down and gets right back up. 1.00

02:21:43.000 Oh.

02:21:44.000 There's an OVF. Here's the Vandelay one.

02:21:46.000 Clang.

02:21:49.000 Oh, yeah. 0.92

02:21:50.000 Ridiculous speed and power.

02:21:52.000 And because of the fact that he had that traditional martial arts background, he didn't step before he threw that kick a lot of times. 0.66

02:21:57.000 He just threw it, and you didn't see it coming.

02:21:59.000 That one just goes over the top of the glove. 0.97

02:22:01.000 And that's right leg.

02:22:02.000 Yeah.

02:22:02.000 That's right leg hospital, left leg cemetery.

02:22:04.000 Oop! 0.99

02:22:05.000 Body.

02:22:06.000 Yeah.

02:22:06.000 Done.

02:22:07.000 Dude.

02:22:08.000 Now, in that fight, I remember, he hit Mark Hunt with it a couple times, but he just...

02:22:12.000 Well, he dropped him with it in one of the fights.

02:22:15.000 In K-1, yeah.

02:22:16.000 In the K-1 fight, yeah.

02:22:17.000 But not in the MMA fight.

02:22:19.000 Mark Hunt actually won that one.

02:22:20.000 Yeah.

02:22:21.000 Oof.

02:22:22.000 Well, that was Minotauro took it on the chin.

02:22:24.000 There's another guy that...

02:22:25.000 That Carwin?

02:22:26.000 No, wait.

02:22:26.000 No, that's...

02:22:27.000 Ron Waterman.

02:22:28.000 Ron Waterman.

02:22:29.000 There you go.

02:22:29.000 Bonk.

02:22:31.000 Boink. 1.00

02:22:32.000 Minotaro was one of those guys that was almost too tough for his own good when he was younger.

02:22:35.000 Well, that's why...

02:22:36.000 Ooh, axe kick.

02:22:37.000 That's why when he got towards the end of his career, he was just getting knocked out left and right.

02:22:41.000 Because he had lived on his chin for so long that he could no longer take a shot anymore.

02:22:48.000 And that's...

02:22:50.000 Honestly, it's not that uncommon.

02:22:55.000 Fujita get in need.

02:22:57.000 He's got a crazy highlight reel.

02:22:59.000 You forget sometimes how insane the highlight reel of Mirko Krokop is.

02:23:04.000 Well, people in the UFC never really saw...

02:23:09.000 They didn't see this guy.

02:23:10.000 No.

02:23:10.000 You know what I mean?

02:23:11.000 No, he was in pride.

02:23:12.000 Well, I still maintain to this day that Pride was some of the most exciting and spectacular fights in the early days of MMA by far.

02:23:21.000 They had some insane matchups. 0.94

02:23:23.000 And especially because a big percentage of it was the heavyweight division.

02:23:27.000 It was a huge percentage.

02:23:28.000 And the stage that they set for us to compete on was incredible.

02:23:32.000 90,000 people, Saitala Super Arena.

02:23:34.000 It was fighting in front of...

02:23:37.000 I mean, I was fighting in front of 40,000 people every time I went out there.

02:23:41.000 Just wish they could have maintained.

02:23:43.000 I loved it.

02:23:44.000 I was a fan of it when I was even working for the UFC. I was always a big Pride fan.

02:23:48.000 I'm like, look, there's room for everybody.

02:23:50.000 Of course.

02:23:51.000 You know, and the thing is, people that were, by having Pride, it opened up I would always say, like, having another company with a different flavor, maybe it'll draw in other fans that wouldn't maybe necessarily be a fan of UFC,

02:24:08.000 but they like the way that Pride did it.

02:24:11.000 And so that would get them interested in MMA, and therefore, then they might also...

02:24:16.000 Okay, well, maybe I will give this UFC stuff a try.

02:24:19.000 Maybe, well, I like this one fighter, so I'll watch when he's on.

02:24:23.000 It just expands the market.

02:24:24.000 It doesn't diminish it.

02:24:26.000 I think that's the same thing with Bellator.

02:24:27.000 Yeah.

02:24:28.000 I really do.

02:24:28.000 I mean, I think that what's good about Bellator is that they're developing real world-class talent now.

02:24:33.000 Michael Chandler, you know, Michael Venom Page, now Rory's over there.

02:24:38.000 I mean, there's world-class talent there.

02:24:39.000 This is true.

02:24:40.000 And, you know, you had Mitrion fight Fyodor, which, you know, Crazy match.

02:24:45.000 Yeah, double knockdown and then Mitrion gets up first.

02:24:48.000 It's a crazy thing you can't plan for.

02:24:50.000 So a guy like Fedor, when you see him at this stage of his life and you see him getting KO'd again, what are your thoughts on that when you watch that?

02:24:58.000 It sucks to see that that's the case.

02:25:00.000 I mean, I love Matt Mitrion too, man.

02:25:02.000 He's a great dude.

02:25:03.000 I train him when I can.

02:25:05.000 He's a great guy.

02:25:06.000 I was glad to see him get that victory.

02:25:08.000 It's a massive victory for him.

02:25:09.000 As was I. But I'm a friend and I have been a friend of Fjodor's for such a long time.

02:25:15.000 It sucks to see him not doing well.

02:25:17.000 You're even saying his name right.

02:25:18.000 It's a big commitment.

02:25:20.000 Yeah, it's like Dostoevsky.

02:25:21.000 Everybody else says Fedor.

02:25:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:25:23.000 But you gotta get fancy on us.

02:25:25.000 Right, like Dostoevsky.

02:25:26.000 It's Fyodor Dostoevsky, not Fedor.

02:25:28.000 Well, what does everybody say instead of Dostoevsky?

02:25:31.000 I think they just don't say anything.

02:25:35.000 What's the correct pronunciation?

02:25:39.000 Dostoyevsky?

02:25:40.000 Dostoyevsky.

02:25:41.000 Dostoyevsky.

02:25:43.000 Isn't it weird how languages develop totally different kind of sounds?

02:25:47.000 Like, you know, English has certain sounds.

02:25:50.000 Sure.

02:25:50.000 Russian has these, like, very specific noises that you have to turn.

02:25:54.000 And then you go to, like, tonal languages, like Thai or Vietnamese.

02:25:58.000 Oh, man.

02:25:59.000 Or Chinese. 0.98

02:26:00.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:26:00.000 Crazy. 0.99

02:26:01.000 So interesting.

02:26:02.000 You know, and Steve Rinella, again, was here, and he had been in Guyana.

02:26:08.000 And they had these interviews they did with these local people that were speaking in their native tongue.

02:26:13.000 And it's like this really strange, ancient language.

02:26:17.000 It doesn't sound like anything else.

02:26:18.000 It's really cool to hear.

02:26:20.000 It's like, wow, this might be like what Mayans sounded like.

02:26:23.000 Huh.

02:26:24.000 Yeah, really freaky.

02:26:26.000 When I was in Romania, I don't know the truth on this stuff.

02:26:30.000 I haven't done the research, so up to your listeners to go follow up.

02:26:36.000 The Romanians have said that they have found texts and archaeological findings that would show...

02:26:43.000 A language that was not a Romance language that still possessed words that existed in modern-day Romanian and that the idea that perhaps the Romanian language was older than Latin.

02:26:58.000 But they also went to the Palace of Vlad the Impaler in the middle of Bucharest, which was awesome.

02:27:06.000 Oh, wow.

02:27:07.000 You got to see that guy's house?

02:27:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:27:09.000 What the fuck? 1.00

02:27:10.000 It's all dug underground so they keep it cool. 1.00

02:27:15.000 For people who don't know who Vlad the Impaler was, he was a guy who literally would put people on sticks and then eat in front of them. 0.86

02:27:21.000 He would stick sticks through their assholes, put them on spikes, out their mouth, and then have them all lined up around him while he sat down and ate.

02:27:31.000 He also took the merchants or these guys that he felt had been cheating and scamming the Wallachian area that he was in, in Romania, Wallachia, the people, 0.99

02:27:47.000 and really getting super rich off their backs in a way that they...

02:27:51.000 Didn't have an option.

02:27:52.000 And so he went and grabbed them and their kids and would have them build.

02:27:58.000 They were building the steps up to this castle or whatever.

02:28:03.000 And if the dad died, they would just take the kid and put him in his place.

02:28:07.000 And it's like, until this is completely done, your debt still exists.

02:28:13.000 Whoa.

02:28:15.000 Jesus Christ. 0.84

02:28:16.000 Brutal dude.

02:28:16.000 Brutal times.

02:28:17.000 That's the guy that Mary Shelley... 0.92

02:28:19.000 No, Mary Shelley was Frankenstein.

02:28:20.000 Mary Shelley was Frankenstein, but they... 0.99

02:28:22.000 What the fuck's his name who wrote? 0.99

02:28:23.000 Bram Stoker. 1.00

02:28:24.000 Bram Stoker.

02:28:25.000 Yeah, he kind of based it a lot of it.

02:28:26.000 Some of that.

02:28:27.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:28:27.000 Well, and also like the Strigoi, which is an undead creature in Romania.

02:28:32.000 Yeah.

02:28:32.000 Which is actually a really pretty funny Romanian movie called Strigoi, which is like a comedy horror thing.

02:28:39.000 Really?

02:28:39.000 Yeah.

02:28:39.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:28:40.000 That's the name they use in that TV show, too.

02:28:43.000 The Strain.

02:28:44.000 Oh, really?

02:28:45.000 Yeah.

02:28:45.000 Strigoi?

02:28:45.000 Yeah, they use that term a lot.

02:28:47.000 Have you seen that show?

02:28:49.000 No, I don't have cable or anything like that.

02:28:52.000 In fact...

02:28:54.000 Since I moved out, I haven't, uh, into my own place. 0.83

02:28:58.000 I hadn't had time to really set up my TV and all that kind of shit. 0.96

02:29:01.000 So you're just living like a wild person? 0.98

02:29:04.000 Kind of, yeah, yeah.

02:29:05.000 You got email though, right?

02:29:06.000 I have email, I have internet, I have my laptop, so I'm...

02:29:09.000 Do you watch Netflix, like, on your laptop?

02:29:11.000 Still watch, like, documentaries or something?

02:29:13.000 I don't.

02:29:15.000 You don't?

02:29:15.000 Because I'm always out and about.

02:29:17.000 I just got back from Seattle.

02:29:19.000 I was in Vegas helping Travis and with my fighter Shohei.

02:29:23.000 Then I had to go to the fights for my guys Shohei and AJ. They both fought on that night and cornered them.

02:29:30.000 Shit, I went to Japan and pro wrestled in June, but I was also there again in March. 0.99

02:29:37.000 So you're just a rambling man. 0.99

02:29:39.000 Basically, after the dissolution of all that I had been putting all my efforts into for four years...

02:29:45.000 I think we got past that.

02:29:46.000 I think we moved through that.

02:29:48.000 I feel very therapeutic.

02:29:49.000 Well, here's the thing.

02:29:50.000 It's just like, all right.

02:29:53.000 No matter what, I still have a lot of...

02:29:55.000 We're not talking about it anymore.

02:29:56.000 We're not.

02:29:57.000 We're just saying that it's just like moving into...

02:30:03.000 I had all these things that I was trying to accomplish, and so it's just like, alright, well, since I'm not putting energies in these areas, then I'm going to take that energy and put it somewhere else.

02:30:13.000 I'm going to make use of it.

02:30:14.000 That's good.

02:30:15.000 Don't get depressed and sit around and get bummed out at life.

02:30:17.000 No.

02:30:18.000 Take your own advice. 0.99

02:30:19.000 There's lots of shit to get bummed out about, beyond even that thing that we're not talking about. 0.98

02:30:24.000 Are you still doing your podcast? 0.99

02:30:26.000 I wish.

02:30:28.000 What happened? 0.97

02:30:29.000 I hate to say it, but Fox really dropped the ball big time on it, and the people that were working on the podcast just completely shit the bed.

02:30:40.000 To the point of, like, I had Renato and Scotty Epstein on, and we're sitting there...

02:30:46.000 15 minutes before we're going to go on just chatting, whatever.

02:30:49.000 And then it's like, all right, guys, where we're going to go, we're going to film now, all right?

02:30:53.000 One, three, two, all right, boom, do our thing.

02:30:57.000 Nobody even pays attention to look at the front of the footage and cut it from what's not supposed to be aired, and then they just throw it up there raw. 0.98

02:31:05.000 So Rahsaan, Hanato, is being Rahsaan, and we're all doing our stuff, and then I get this email, and Rahsaan I'm like, yo, what the fuck, dude? 0.67

02:31:12.000 I do a character.

02:31:15.000 I go, what are you talking about?

02:31:17.000 So they didn't edit it at all.

02:31:19.000 Didn't edit it.

02:31:20.000 And there was stuff like, hey, I know you're going to be on vacation, but I'm going to do an on-location interview with this band Godor.

02:31:28.000 I'm going to get it all.

02:31:30.000 I'll just send it to you.

02:31:31.000 Can someone edit it?

02:31:33.000 Oh, I'm off on vacation.

02:31:35.000 I can't help. 0.99

02:31:36.000 There's fucking nobody there. 0.99

02:31:37.000 There's zero. 1.00

02:31:38.000 There's no one.

02:31:39.000 So then I had to go and reach out to another friend and be like, hey, man, you have some time to fucking chop this up for me and just make a few edits?

02:31:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can do that.

02:31:47.000 And then, you know, put that up and then it was...

02:31:50.000 Another thing, like, okay, well, hey, guys, if I'm going to do this podcast, I want to have music in it.

02:31:54.000 I want to have bands that I know and love and whatever.

02:31:58.000 I want to play their music.

02:31:59.000 Yeah, but you don't have rights for their music.

02:32:00.000 That's a nightmare.

02:32:01.000 Right.

02:32:02.000 Well, so I said, do you have some legal forms that we can put together, some boilerplates that we can do and have this happen?

02:32:08.000 Oh, we don't need that.

02:32:09.000 You don't need that.

02:32:10.000 Okay.

02:32:11.000 So I go, and I get the management, the artist, everybody's on board.

02:32:16.000 Who is this person that said that this is okay?

02:32:19.000 Okay.

02:32:19.000 Was this a young guy that worked there?

02:32:21.000 Did he not know anything?

02:32:22.000 Was he like a tech guy?

02:32:24.000 I'm not going to throw anybody's names out there, but there were these two dudes.

02:32:28.000 There was one guy that was like, he was part of the head of the division or whatever.

02:32:33.000 The landscape has changed in their defense. 0.98

02:32:34.000 And then there was another dude that was a producer of sorts, who I got along with great, but when it came to getting it all done, obviously fucking it didn't work. 0.85

02:32:41.000 But the guy that was above him was unable to take blame for anything. 0.93

02:32:47.000 And...

02:32:48.000 And own up to any, like, fuck-ups.

02:32:50.000 And so it wasn't like I was asking for much from them.

02:32:53.000 I'm just like, well, tell me what we're dealing with here so I can know how to appropriately, you know, react.

02:32:58.000 And then, you know, getting this whole okay about music.

02:33:01.000 So, all right.

02:33:01.000 So I go and I do all the legwork, get everybody to agree, have my guest on.

02:33:06.000 We play some music to start it off.

02:33:07.000 We play music, you know, while they're there, while he's there. 0.99

02:33:10.000 And I'm being an asshole, moshing around the room, having fun, joking around. 0.98

02:33:13.000 And then I watch the video of it, and it's like silence. 1.00

02:33:18.000 The fuck? 0.99

02:33:19.000 I'm just stomping around a room to silence. 1.00

02:33:21.000 What the hell is going on?

02:33:22.000 Oh yeah, legal wouldn't clear the music. 0.97

02:33:25.000 Why the fuck are we dealing with this now when I asked you before we even did podcast one? 0.57

02:33:30.000 Before we even did the first episode. 0.87

02:33:32.000 Why did we not get that out of the way?

02:33:34.000 Because you told me we didn't need it. 0.99

02:33:35.000 And it's just like shit like that. 0.98

02:33:37.000 And so we're now like, look, we're not even doing it for money right now. 0.99

02:33:40.000 We're just doing it to establish a relationship. 0.89

02:33:44.000 And this is already going fucking sour. 0.97

02:33:46.000 Let me stop you. 0.95

02:33:46.000 Why are you doing it with a person? 0.95

02:33:48.000 Like a network?

02:33:49.000 I don't know.

02:33:49.000 Why are you doing it with Fox?

02:33:50.000 Because they came to me.

02:33:51.000 You could do it on your own.

02:33:52.000 They came to me. 1.00

02:33:53.000 Listen, all you need is that phone right there and a fucking microphone that plugs into it. 0.98

02:33:57.000 It's like, they have these things like yours. 0.99

02:33:59.000 I used this one for a podcast that I did recently.

02:34:01.000 It is not an endorsement.

02:34:03.000 I'm just, for anybody who's listening to this, it's not.

02:34:07.000 It's simple.

02:34:09.000 This microphone right here, no endorsement.

02:34:11.000 I don't have to say the name of it, but okay, it's a blue, right?

02:34:14.000 Okay.

02:34:15.000 This microphone works on a cord that plugs directly into your phone. 1.00

02:34:19.000 You set that bitch up like that. 1.00

02:34:21.000 You stick this in, bang, stick that in your phone, press record. 1.00

02:34:25.000 It's that simple.

02:34:26.000 And I've done actual podcasts that millions of people listen to with this thing that sits in my hand. 0.99

02:34:31.000 I close that bitch up like that. 1.00

02:34:33.000 Put it back in this little bag, stick it in my laptop, take it anywhere you go. 0.99

02:34:37.000 It works on USB. It takes...

02:34:41.000 No energy.

02:34:42.000 Super easy to do.

02:34:43.000 And then you just have to upload that somewhere.

02:34:45.000 And you could figure out how to edit simple stuff like that, audio stuff.

02:34:49.000 You're not talking about making records.

02:34:50.000 You're talking about editing a simple audio file.

02:34:52.000 You can figure out how to do that on your own.

02:34:54.000 I hear you there.

02:34:56.000 I also realized that for me, doing a podcast meant it had to be...

02:35:00.000 The amount of effort I was going to put into it was going to be...

02:35:04.000 Equal to what kind of product I wanted.

02:35:06.000 So I started...

02:35:07.000 Yeah, but don't get confused about this.

02:35:08.000 Right.

02:35:09.000 No, I hear you there.

02:35:09.000 The effort is in your mind and in your thoughts and what you're trying to put out there.

02:35:15.000 And you're really good at that, is why I'm saying that.

02:35:17.000 You don't need some network.

02:35:19.000 You just need an account with Libsyn or one of these podcast hosts.

02:35:22.000 They upload it to iTunes.

02:35:23.000 That's it.

02:35:24.000 You're done.

02:35:25.000 You know, people find out about it.

02:35:26.000 They like it.

02:35:27.000 They get addicted to it.

02:35:28.000 They start downloading it more and more.

02:35:29.000 You know, I mean, you're really good at this.

02:35:31.000 To get connected to something like Fox and have someone who's non-motivated.

02:35:36.000 Sure.

02:35:36.000 Well, they came to me and it sounded like, all right, well, we could probably monetize this in some way.

02:35:40.000 Was this during the Fighter and the Kid days?

02:35:43.000 Early.

02:35:44.000 Yeah.

02:35:45.000 See, they thought that they were doing something, and then now they've completely changed their tune.

02:35:49.000 They've decided to, the only people that they're investing their time in now are people that they have exclusive relationships with.

02:35:56.000 Their thoughts about the fighter and the kid were, and Brendan shared them with me, some article that they were talking about him in, where the fighter and the kid, they feel like rode on the Fox name and then became really popular and then made it.

02:36:28.000 It's a delusional perspective.

02:36:29.000 Sure.

02:36:29.000 Whatever they're doing.

02:36:31.000 And then this build-up, the same thing that happened to Tom Segura and Christina Pazitsky and Bert Kreischer and all these popular podcasts.

02:36:38.000 People find out about them and they're good.

02:36:40.000 It has nothing to do with Fox.

02:36:41.000 Zero.

02:36:42.000 All they did was host it.

02:36:43.000 At the end of the day, Fox isn't the one creating the content.

02:36:46.000 Fox isn't the one that has the ideas.

02:36:48.000 Fox isn't the one cracking the jokes, telling the stories.

02:36:51.000 It doesn't hurt being connected to Fox.

02:36:53.000 Of course not.

02:36:54.000 It's definitely legitimate.

02:36:55.000 Right.

02:36:55.000 It sounded good.

02:36:56.000 It's not what they think it is.

02:36:57.000 And I even said stuff like, hey, I want to have whatever I want on this podcast.

02:37:01.000 No problem.

02:37:02.000 I go, no, no.

02:37:02.000 I want to have whatever I want on this podcast.

02:37:05.000 I want to talk about anything.

02:37:07.000 No problem. 0.99

02:37:08.000 This episode, Pussy Farts with Josh Barnett. 0.99

02:37:10.000 Pussy Farts with Josh Barnett, if that's where we wanted to go with it. 0.99

02:37:14.000 But one of the things I said to him, I go, hey, I want to talk about the fucking insane Nazi occult division. 1.00

02:37:21.000 I want to talk about all that crazy shit that they did. 0.98

02:37:24.000 And I found this guy who's an expert, and we could talk about all the weird stuff. 0.99

02:37:28.000 Occult division?

02:37:29.000 Yeah, they had an occult division.

02:37:30.000 Who's they?

02:37:31.000 The Nazis. 0.71

02:37:32.000 Oh, okay.

02:37:33.000 You said an extreme Nazi cult...

02:37:34.000 No, no, no. 1.00

02:37:34.000 I said the extreme crazy shit of the Nazi occult division. 1.00

02:37:37.000 How they would go around trying to find the Spear of Destiny or the Ark of the Covenant and all these things. 0.99

02:37:42.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

02:37:42.000 They did a lot of nutty shit like that. 0.99

02:37:43.000 Right. 0.99

02:37:43.000 I mean, that's why we have Raiders of the Lost Ark and all the really cool movies. 0.99

02:37:46.000 Who'd you have on to talk about that?

02:37:48.000 I didn't because I go...

02:37:49.000 I'm gonna bring this guy on to talk about this stuff.

02:37:52.000 And they're like, can't have Nazis on.

02:37:53.000 I go, I don't, no, no, I'm not, I don't want, I'm not talking about Nazis.

02:37:57.000 I'm not, this isn't, he isn't a Nazi.

02:37:59.000 You can't even talk about Nazis?

02:38:01.000 Like you couldn't have a history professor who maybe wrote a book on Hitler come on and talk about Nazis?

02:38:06.000 Oh, yeah.

02:38:06.000 So you don't need them.

02:38:08.000 Exactly.

02:38:08.000 Well, this was years ago.

02:38:10.000 And so after...

02:38:11.000 That was like...

02:38:13.000 All this stuff was adding up. 1.00

02:38:15.000 And I'm like, fuck, man. 1.00

02:38:16.000 This sucks. 1.00

02:38:16.000 It's not even their fault, man. 1.00

02:38:17.000 They're stuck in this old way.

02:38:19.000 And they think this old...

02:38:20.000 Which works for television shows.

02:38:22.000 Their old way works great for television shows.

02:38:24.000 They control the advertising.

02:38:25.000 They secure the talent.

02:38:26.000 They put together the show.

02:38:27.000 They produce it.

02:38:28.000 I don't know how much was Fox itself.

02:38:29.000 I don't know if the machine Fox was really paying that much attention.

02:38:33.000 I think it was really just... 1.00

02:38:34.000 The main dude who was in charge of this shit who was fucking it up and didn't want to put the effort in. 1.00

02:38:42.000 Who knows who makes the calls. 0.99

02:38:44.000 The last podcast I did, they didn't even put the video portion up.

02:38:48.000 It took them weeks.

02:38:50.000 So you don't have any contract with them?

02:38:52.000 None.

02:38:52.000 Do it on your own.

02:38:54.000 People still hit me up and go, we'd love it if you do a podcast again.

02:38:59.000 Just do it.

02:39:00.000 Just do it.

02:39:02.000 Dude, you're really good at this.

02:39:03.000 It's easy for you.

02:39:04.000 People are going to get mad at me. 0.96

02:39:05.000 They're like, God damn it, Joe Rogan, you're always trying to get people to do podcasts. 0.95

02:39:09.000 I would listen to your podcast. 0.98

02:39:10.000 If you had a podcast, I'd listen to it.

02:39:12.000 That's all I'm saying to you.

02:39:13.000 I have lots of things to talk about.

02:39:15.000 You do?

02:39:16.000 I do like to talk to a broad variety of people.

02:39:19.000 I love the fact that you're bringing on guys like Jordan Peterson or Sam Harris or God Saad.

02:39:28.000 You know, interesting guys to talk about interesting stuff.

02:39:31.000 I'm trying to balance it out as much as possible.

02:39:33.000 Or even the fact that you're getting into scraps with Crowder over here, which I'm like, oh, that's hilarious.

02:39:36.000 Yeah, I like Crowder.

02:39:37.000 I don't know.

02:39:38.000 I see him as an aggravator.

02:39:42.000 Just kind of like Milo. 0.99

02:39:44.000 Milo might say something interesting, but then he's couched all this stuff and trying to create shit with people. 0.58

02:39:49.000 That's part of how they get a lot of attention and popularity. 0.74

02:39:53.000 But I think he puts out funny stuff too, man.

02:39:55.000 He did some funny things where he...

02:39:57.000 He's done a bunch of funny sketches where he goes undercover as different people.

02:40:02.000 He has this communist French character that he goes undercover as.

02:40:08.000 No, no, no.

02:40:09.000 Crowder does. 1.00

02:40:09.000 Crowder does a lot of funny shit. 1.00

02:40:11.000 People get mad at me for saying that he's funny. 1.00

02:40:13.000 I think he's funny. 0.99

02:40:14.000 I think he does some funny shit. 0.97

02:40:15.000 He's done some really hilarious social justice warrior things where he showed up at some... 0.97

02:40:21.000 Well, he definitely dressed as a trans person for a while, was trying to push the boundaries of when can you decide that you're transitioning?

02:40:30.000 How do you know whether or not someone has decided that they're transitioning or whether or not they're hoaxing you?

02:40:35.000 Who are you to say that I'm not really trans? 0.99

02:40:37.000 So he went to one of those all-women's gyms and said that he was trans, and then they let him in at first, and then after a while they're like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:40:46.000 And they kicked him out. 0.99

02:40:47.000 I don't think he was an all-woman's gym.

02:40:49.000 In fact, I think he just went to a gym that said that they accept trans people. 0.99

02:40:53.000 And then when he went in, he wanted to shower in the women's room, but he had a fucking five o'clock shadow. 0.97

02:41:00.000 So the idea is the sincerity of it is almost what that comes down to. 0.98

02:41:04.000 Like, well, you're not sincere about being trans, so is that what it comes to? 0.99

02:41:07.000 But he's pointing out how crazy these lines are and like, where are they?

02:41:12.000 Whether or not you agree that people should be able to do whatever they want to, which I do, there is a real hysteria involved in this.

02:41:19.000 There's something very odd about these arbitrary lines.

02:41:22.000 We had a guy that we were watching a videotape yesterday who identifies as a six-year-old girl.

02:41:27.000 Oh, the German guy. 1.00

02:41:28.000 No, is he German?

02:41:30.000 He's definitely foreign, right? 0.94

02:41:31.000 It was all in subtitles?

02:41:32.000 Yeah, he had a wife and kids and all that.

02:41:34.000 And then he's like, I'm a six-year-old girl. 1.00

02:41:35.000 Like, what the fuck? 0.99

02:41:38.000 But you have to include that. 0.99

02:41:40.000 So then it gets to, well, can you be transracial?

02:41:43.000 Can you be like Rachel Dolezal?

02:41:45.000 Is that okay?

02:41:46.000 Right.

02:41:46.000 Can you?

02:41:47.000 I don't know.

02:41:47.000 Why not?

02:41:48.000 Look, everybody came from Africa originally.

02:41:50.000 If you identify more with African Americans than you do with, say, Polish Americans, why not? 0.99

02:41:56.000 Well, Ben Shapiro has argued that that's less preposterous than changing your gender.

02:42:01.000 And then, like, why can't you do that if you can change your gender? 0.98

02:42:04.000 Ben Shapiro, he's an interesting one because I like how hardcore and how, like, straight to the point, he brings great arguments.

02:42:11.000 Very smart guy. 0.96

02:42:12.000 But I can tell that he's that dude that just fucking, he just, he doesn't hardly get along probably with anyone. 0.98

02:42:17.000 He's just got, when he's decided, well, one of those personalities is just not good at socializing in any way. 0.98

02:42:23.000 Like, he's...

02:42:24.000 It's very rigid.

02:42:25.000 It's like, eh.

02:42:26.000 But very smart.

02:42:27.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:42:27.000 He seems like a total little prick, but an all right dude in his own way, I guess. 0.97

02:42:32.000 And you know what's funny is I'll talk to people about leftism versus rightism. 1.00

02:42:38.000 I'm like, well, you know, it's pretty easy most of the time to look at the right when they're being idiotic because it's so preposterous. 0.97

02:42:44.000 Like, you know, theologically based arguments or, you know, if you're going to... 0.98

02:42:51.000 I mean, that's really what...

02:42:52.000 It comes to stuff like that or like... 1.00

02:42:57.000 How they will take this whole stance of like, no, you get what you can get, but if you fucking fuck up, fuck you. 1.00

02:43:04.000 You know, like these really extreme conservative arguments usually just are like, well, that's... 1.00

02:43:08.000 Non-compassionate.

02:43:09.000 Right.

02:43:09.000 Yeah, I know what you mean.

02:43:10.000 But then you go to the left and it's like everything is couched in this like, oh, no, no, no, no, no.

02:43:15.000 We're good.

02:43:16.000 This is all for the good.

02:43:17.000 Look at how nice we're being. 0.97

02:43:18.000 You're like, well, you're just as fascist as this other guy. 0.96

02:43:20.000 Right. 0.94

02:43:20.000 But you couch it under a different thing. 0.94

02:43:23.000 You do things like use postmodernist philosophical arguments to then take the word racism and redefine it so that it works for your benefit. 0.85

02:43:32.000 And that it only works against black people. 0.50

02:43:34.000 It doesn't work against white people. 0.98

02:43:36.000 You can say whatever you want against white people.

02:43:37.000 Yeah, people get weird with their arguments and it ultimately becomes about control.

02:43:41.000 Sure, of course.

02:43:42.000 And it's creating power.

02:43:43.000 It's creating power for a person to affect that against someone else.

02:43:50.000 It's also creating moral high ground so you can feel as if you're in the right to say this or that and because you are supported by all these other people around you.

02:44:00.000 Yeah, I'm trying to balance it out, I should say, but people get mad at me when I have too many right-wing people on in a row.

02:44:06.000 I've been accused of being like Fox News.

02:44:08.000 I'm like, come on, man.

02:44:08.000 I have lefties on all the time.

02:44:10.000 You're just not paying attention.

02:44:11.000 Whether it's Julie Kedzie or Abby Martin or Pete Holmes is a super lefty.

02:44:18.000 Judd Apatow is a super lefty.

02:44:20.000 He was on last week.

02:44:20.000 I try to have as many lefties on as possible, but they don't get mad at that.

02:44:23.000 They only get mad when I have super righties on.

02:44:26.000 When I have super righties on, then they're like, oh, your show's like Fox News.

02:44:29.000 I'm like, Well, culturally, it's just like, well, this argument we'll listen to, but not this one.

02:44:35.000 Of course.

02:44:36.000 But at the end of the day, what really sucks is that when it came to...

02:44:40.000 I had gotten so into politics because of my living situation.

02:44:46.000 As I'm looking at all this stuff, trying to understand the currents of what's going on, I'd find I'd have to go... 0.98

02:44:54.000 Read, like, the most crazy leftist stuff, and then I'd have to go find some gnarly alt-right garbage and have to go there and read all these preposterous arguments, racist, shitty arguments on both sides, just ridiculous stuff to them. 0.97

02:45:09.000 Because even amongst some crazy racist or some crazy, you know, communists, either way, there's going to be some truth there that they figure is useful to their argument. 0.99

02:45:19.000 Right.

02:45:35.000 It's like, well, I have to now go outside of this because I can't find any one news source that's going to be completely honest with me.

02:45:42.000 So then I have to look at all these places and try to piece this whole story together based on what truth I can find.

02:45:48.000 And honestly, it got to be so tiring. 0.92

02:45:52.000 And reading just crazy shit on each side and having to... 0.99

02:45:57.000 It's like, well, some of this stuff is just so fucking fucked up. 0.99

02:46:00.000 And it's not like I needed a trigger warning or something like that. 0.99

02:46:03.000 But it just gets tiring.

02:46:04.000 And I also think like people coming up with like racial IQ things, trying to create some idea there. 1.00

02:46:12.000 And I'm like, fuck, man. 0.99

02:46:14.000 People believe this. 1.00

02:46:15.000 It's like trying to navigate flat earth shit and stuff like that and go, come on. 0.98

02:46:21.000 The first time I read it, I'm like, okay, yeah, whatever. 0.99

02:46:23.000 You just don't get it. 0.97

02:46:24.000 But then when I see that there's even some small amount of traction, it's just fucking disappointing. 0.97

02:46:29.000 It's very disappointing. 0.97

02:46:30.000 Yeah, well, it's too easy to get by today, and there's a lot of dummies that have gotten by.

02:46:33.000 That's right. 0.97

02:46:34.000 That's one of my arguments, is that this is the softest, easiest fucking way of living we have ever had. 0.93

02:46:39.000 Now, I understand there are difficulties, but even our poor are still more wealthy than 90% of the world or something like that. 0.96

02:46:46.000 It's crazy.

02:46:47.000 Yeah, if you make more than $34,000 a year, you are in the top 1% of the world.

02:46:52.000 Yeah, and we don't see it that way.

02:46:56.000 We're too busy thinking about what we don't have or what we should have or how we deserve more than this person or that person.

02:47:04.000 If you want to argue about the difficulty it is to buy a home nowadays, I'm totally willing to listen.

02:47:11.000 If you want to argue about the shady aspects of banks, I'm there with you.

02:47:16.000 You know what I mean?

02:47:17.000 But if you just want to start trying to cut me down into some specific class to minimize me and then devalue my opinion or who I am, it's just like, I'm not going to...

02:47:30.000 I understand the biological potential for tribalism and the fear of the thing that is the unknown being maybe too much of a risk.

02:47:38.000 So if you look at wild animals, they don't really get into fights all that much if they can help it.

02:47:43.000 Because the risk of being injured, maimed, or dead, potentially, is just too much.

02:47:49.000 So most of the time they get into their little scraps and they disperse. 0.95

02:47:52.000 And if you're a full-on alpha, you normally don't get into any fucking fights whatsoever.

02:47:56.000 It's the betas always trying to peck their way up and maybe eventually find an alpha that they might perceive having a weakness.

02:48:03.000 But once they finally get to that point that they're going to really fucking full-on fight, it means everything because everything is at risk.

02:48:09.000 Well, you look at some cave people, it's probably the same way. 0.98

02:48:12.000 The first time one group sees someone that looks completely different from them, they're like, oh, what the fuck is that? 0.96

02:48:19.000 Can I risk it? 0.99

02:48:20.000 Is it going to destroy my community?

02:48:22.000 Is it going to be damaging to... 0.99

02:48:23.000 You know, it's like caveman shit because they don't understand until somebody creates an understanding. 0.97

02:48:28.000 But it's very hard for people to accept other people's ideas. 0.98

02:48:30.000 Of course.

02:48:31.000 If your ideas are different than their ideas, you want their ideas to align with yours.

02:48:36.000 And in the case where we're talking about with a lot of these people, they're trying to enforce their ideas on other people.

02:48:41.000 You will now obey and go along with my standards of behavior and thought.

02:48:46.000 It's insecurity and it's fear. 0.96

02:48:48.000 But to me, I'm like, okay, I can understand that on that base element, but we have the ability to overcome that, to be greater than that, to be better than that, to not sit there and value people on all these surface-level shit. 0.97

02:49:04.000 I mean, you can stereotype things all you want and be like, oh, well, this looks like a duck and quacks like a duck and this looks like a goose and honks like a goose, whatever, fine. 0.62

02:49:13.000 But If you try to continue to keep people in these places...

02:49:20.000 You're diminishing who they are.

02:49:23.000 You're creating this element of prejudice.

02:49:26.000 You're creating those barriers for that interaction to not happen.

02:49:31.000 You're the one that's helping create that tribalistic element. 0.84

02:49:35.000 And so as you continue to whittle these people down to more and more groups, but now when you couch that in with this neo-Marxist elements, it's like, well, now the more tinier the group you get, the more you get to be oppressed.

02:49:48.000 The more you're a victim of something.

02:49:52.000 It's a good market share, being a victim.

02:49:55.000 We've got to get out of here, man.

02:49:55.000 I've got to end this.

02:49:57.000 Josh Barnett, so what's the future?

02:49:59.000 Right now, no fights scheduled, still figuring it out?

02:50:03.000 Actually, I'm still dealing with my USADA stuff.

02:50:07.000 To my understanding, what my management is saying is that USADA, to I'm completely satisfied with understanding that the supplement that I took was tainted. 0.98

02:50:18.000 And they even went out, and after they tested the one that I gave them, they went out and bought a whole brand new bottle, unopened, tested that one, again, laced with the same shit. 0.91

02:50:28.000 And they had already, you know, they had tested me, not even that much in between. 0.96

02:50:33.000 Or they had tested me in between, or there was barely any time in between tests anyways.

02:50:38.000 So, my manager's telling me that the guy at the lab is going, well, this is such a negligible amount that it looks like you've been, whatever you took was tainted in the first place. 0.99

02:50:47.000 So, because there's no reason why a guy your size would even bother to have such a negligible amount of whatever this shit is in your system. 0.99

02:50:54.000 And I'm like... 0.99

02:50:55.000 Especially since, to explain that, between the last test and this test, it would be such a small amount that there's no way that you were on something and you cycled off.

02:51:06.000 Exactly.

02:51:06.000 Okay.

02:51:07.000 It didn't make any sense.

02:51:08.000 So how long do they have you suspended till?

02:51:09.000 I don't know.

02:51:10.000 The thing is that we've gone through...

02:51:12.000 I've spent like two grand having supplements tested because I would keep bits of everything that I would take just in case and keep them around.

02:51:20.000 Jesus Christ.

02:51:22.000 This was a brand I'd taken before.

02:51:25.000 This was a supplement that had been an ingredient in other stuff that I've never had a problem with.

02:51:31.000 I always would check everything against that Globo Dro thing.

02:51:34.000 I would do all their steps about...

02:51:36.000 Cross-reference this, that, and the other.

02:51:38.000 Always okay.

02:51:39.000 You know, making sure that I'm always towing, or not towing the line, but being up front on this and doing what they said to.

02:51:47.000 And then, you know, alright, so I got some... 0.99

02:51:52.000 Bullshit in something I didn't expect. 0.99

02:51:54.000 So, alright. 1.00

02:51:54.000 We go, we test it. 1.00

02:51:55.000 They go and they back their findings up with a completely brand new bottle and batch that matches the one that I have.

02:52:02.000 And they still haven't acted on that.

02:52:03.000 And now I'm still waiting, but I'm still suspended, but I don't understand, you know, what more could I do?

02:52:10.000 You know what I mean?

02:52:11.000 Right.

02:52:13.000 All right, dude.

02:52:14.000 Josh L. Barnett on Twitter.

02:52:16.000 And Instagram.

02:52:17.000 And Instagram.

02:52:17.000 Thanks, brother.

02:52:18.000 This was fun.

02:52:19.000 I love being here.

02:52:20.000 You're going to do another podcast.

02:52:21.000 You're going to start the War Machine Chronicles.

02:52:23.000 War Machine?

02:52:24.000 Coming soon.

02:52:24.000 I mean, War Machine.

02:52:25.000 Did I say that?

02:52:25.000 I didn't mean that.

02:52:27.000 I mean, War Master.

02:52:28.000 It's just War and M. They just flow together so well. 0.77

02:52:31.000 Fucked up the end of the podcast, ladies and gentlemen.

02:52:34.000 Called me War Machine. 0.97

02:52:34.000 What a major bummer. 0.97

02:52:36.000 War Master.

02:52:37.000 Well, you've had a couple other nicknames, haven't you?

02:52:40.000 Babyface Assassin. 0.99

02:52:41.000 What was the other one?

02:52:42.000 Philadelphia Jailbird?

02:52:44.000 Josh Barnett, ladies and gentlemen.

02:52:47.000 War machine.

02:52:48.000 What a faux pas.

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 28, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #981 - Josh Barnett

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