Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - Sept. 26, 2015
Summary
In this episode of Fight Companion, the brother and sister duo of Eddie and Brendan discuss the UFC Fight Night Live from Japan featuring Josh Barnett vs. Roy Nelson and Uriah Hall vs. Satoshi Moraesashi. Also, we talk about the future of the UFC and some of our favorite fighters in the UFC. Fight Companion is brought to you by Zapsplat and Micallef. Subscribe to Fight Companion on iTunes, Rate/subscribe in Apple Podcasts, and be sure to leave us a review on your favorite streaming platform so we can keep bringing you Fight Companion content! Cheers, EJ & Brendan. -Eddie & Brendan - Fight Companion UFC Fight Companion (featuring: Eddie Bravo, Brendan Schaub, and EJ's brother, Eddie Bravo) - EJ and Brendan's thoughts on the UFC's biggest fights of the weekend, including UFC 246 and UFC 246: Cowboy Cowboy Cerrone vs. Jon Bones Silva. UFC 246. -EJ's favorite UFC fighter in the entire UFC. -Uriah Hall's best moments in the octagon. -Jorge Masvidal vs. Chisora vs. OSP. -Ostensibly the best UFC fighter of all-time. -Who's the most underrated UFC fighter right now? -Oscar vs. Conor vs. Rory Mcgregor. -Canelo vs. Jimmie vs. Cowboy, who has the best chance to beat OSP? -Will the UFC finally get a shot at a world championship? & much, much more! -and much more... - and much, MUCH MORE! - we break down the UFC 232 main event, UFC 232, UFC 246 & UFC 246, UFC 243, UFC 244 and UFC 244. - and give our thoughts on our favorite UFC fighters of the past week! - and our predictions for UFC 246 coming in the future! -and more. , UFC 246 in the near future! (and much, and much more!!) - we also give our predictions, predictions, and give you our best moments of the year, and predictions for the UFC in 2020 and beyond! . - we hope you enjoy the rest of the upcoming UFC events, and what we can expect in the coming in 2020! , and much much more, ENJ & BONUS CONTENT: -and we hope to see you all enjoy the next few weeks!
Transcript
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It's Josh Barnett versus Big Country, Roy Nelson.
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I think if Uriah Hall shows up, that's Uriah Hall's best moments inside the octagon.
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Like, Uriah Hall, I think when he's sharp, is like one of the fastest fucking 185 pounds in the world.
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One of the most, to me, the biggest curiosities about that dude is when he broke his foot.
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He's throwing kicks with it and he's moving around like he doesn't feel a fucking thing.
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For sure, which is Uriah's biggest knock, right?
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He's beat OSP. He's beat Hector Lombard back in the day.
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And I think he gets better every time he fights.
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Like the Shogun knockout was a big fucking deal.
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OSP is getting better every single time we see him.
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But, like, when it comes to the execution of techniques, there's some shit that Uriah Hall can do that OSP can't quite do.
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See, but OSP pulls it off against world-class competition.
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That was my kind of original point, was that Uriah Hall, like, his movement inside the octagon, like, when he's sharp as he can be, he can do some freaky shit.
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When he hit Ron Stallings with that right hand?
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It's just a matter of stringing together those moments when it's crucial.
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And OSP has definitely been able to do that more than him.
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But when it comes to those spectacular movements that Uriah Hall does, when I see OSP, I see a super strong, really tough guy who obviously works real hard and is better every time you see him fight, right?
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Like those fucking power left kicks he throws, especially from the left side.
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And he's got total world championship potential.
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If that guy keeps accelerating at the pace he's at now, you can see OSP at a world championship level in a year, maybe even two years.
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What Uriah Hall does, he does that every now and then, you get these bursts of that next level shit.
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You get these bursts of that Ron Stallings right hand, the wheel kick that he knocked that kid out on tough.
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And again, he's not fighting the highest level of competition when he's pulling these techniques off, but they're there.
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They're there, but he just hasn't done it, like you said, against a high-level guy.
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Now, when he starts pulling that shit, like, if he pulled that shit off tonight against Musashi, like, Musashi's kind of seen this, man.
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And with Musashi, he just, I don't know what it is.
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This way, nobody ever has to really, like, get hurt and pay someone $1,000.
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Well, then you've got to suck his dick or something.
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Imagine how gay Brendan would have to be to let you suck his dick for $100,000.
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Meanwhile, really, you'd probably have to pay him to suck his dick for $100,000.
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For being gay, he would do it to get the fucking pictures, man.
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In this day and age, those pictures are already out there.
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I bet if anybody knows how to suck your dick right, it's a girl.
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Has anybody ever photoshopped your face, Joe, like really, really good on some dude blowing another dude?
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If there's a picture of you out there, someone somewhere has photoshopped a dick in your mouth.
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Oh my god, and with me, they always involved like a hundred black dicks.
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His, he's always done it with a funny sense of humor, but some people can do it and they can get it so close.
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Girls get really mad because famous actresses have been in porn scenes.
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They just put their body and they morph a girl's body.
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With photo editing, they could literally have you wrestling a dinosaur.
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The chick from Game of Thrones, when they made her walk through the city naked, turns out it wasn't her body, right?
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If I was that chick, I would probably be like, look, you can make a dragon.
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I don't want you guys staring at my asshole as I walk down the street.
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Because she was totally naked, and you got like 100, 200 people that are working as extras that are the slaves and the peasant people, so they're all going to see her naked too?
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You're not going to see her asshole, though, unless she's, like, bear crawling through the city.
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I was naked in this thing that I did for news radio once.
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The whole idea was, like, I was waiting for this chick in her apartment, and I was trying to...
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I guess I was trying to get her to date me or something like that.
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So I lit a bunch of candles and I took my clothes off.
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Yeah, and then there was another one that I did for the VH1 Fashion Awards.
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It was like 1997. I did this thing where I played this photographer that was crazy.
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And I would say to the girl, do you have any problems with nudity?
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And next thing you know, I'm taking pictures of her while I'm naked.
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He did 2003 Abu Dhabi, and when we were weighing in, I killed myself to get down to 145, and I'm in line, and he's in front of me, and we both got our underwear on.
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And then I come in and I was so close, I go, I guess it's cool to get naked.
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And the Japanese press come up quick and start taking pictures.
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So I started doing kung fu poses and like, Most muscular poses.
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Then I did the opposite of the Incredible Hulk.
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I got all submissive and just covered my balls like I was really shy.
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Joe, is there anything they could pay you now to do that?
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To get naked and film some shit on TV? It's not that big a deal.
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But if someone was like, yo, Joe, MTV Music Awards, we want you to be butt-ass naked on stage.
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No, I don't think that would be something I'd be into doing.
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But the idea behind it is that there's something wrong with you being naked.
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You know, like, that we don't know, that we all...
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Look at all those people in the audience, and you'll notice they all have clothes on.
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No, but this idea that we've created this outerwear, like some sort of a fucking weird homemade hermit crab thing.
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We've created this outer shell that we must have on, except in the most intimate moments.
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There's almost something where the human race realized how sexual and fucking crazy it is and like, look, the only way we're going to get anything done is if we invent clothes.
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We just can't have people just fucking every time they run into each other.
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Well, if you look at the oldest civilizations on Earth, it's the Middle East, right?
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And aren't those the ones who cover their women up the most?
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Do they ever have to deal with jealousy or possessiveness?
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Like, you know, that's the least they could do.
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You don't know what you're getting though, you know what I'm saying?
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There was like a sounding royalty guy that was arrested in LA for sexual assault.
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She was like half naked or something like that.
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Yeah, he was arrested and he doesn't have immunity.
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And it's one of a series of events that have happened with really rich people from the Middle East in Beverly Hills over the last couple of weeks.
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Because the other one that happened was there was a race.
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And in the summer in Saudi Arabia, apparently it's un-fucking-godly hot.
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So a lot of people come over from Saudi Arabia To L.A., and they buy these crazy houses in Beverly Hills, and they bring over these cars, these multi-million dollar cars, like a Bugatti Veyron, like a one and a half million dollar car, and they have Arab license plates on them.
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They don't even have, like, it's not even a registered car in America.
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But they bring them over here and they're allowed to drive them around and so they're driving these cars around and they're racing through the streets of Beverly Hills and they get video of it.
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People get video of these people in million dollar cars running red lights.
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This guy in a Porsche GT3 is chasing them, runs a red light or runs a stop sign.
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These guys are flying through the stop sign with a Porsche.
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And so, as the car's pulling in, the Ferrari's smoking, and all these people are taking videos on them.
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And then right after that happens, this incident happens.
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And apparently a lot of these people, they're asking for diplomatic immunity because they're rich.
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Some of these people that do things like that over here, you can't prosecute them because they have something called diplomatic immunity.
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Is to have a lot of dirt on the people running shit.
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We're going to come over and do whatever the fuck we want to do, or we're going to talk.
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And more importantly, they make a fuckload of money.
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Well, see, look at all these people in the street and they're filming the Ferrari.
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I mean, these guys have insane amounts of money, and they're buying up giant houses in Beverly Hills.
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What did Homeboy do with the girl, though, to get in trouble?
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I don't know what happened, but I know he got arrested.
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I have no idea what the actual reality of the case is, but I know the dude got arrested.
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It makes Game of Thrones look like Harry Potter.
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If you don't have anything else to watch, it's good.
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No, if there's nothing else going on, it's better than watching whatever's on at two in the morning on regular TV. But, man, season two just started.
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Dude, Kenny Rogers is finally looking like Kenny Rogers again.
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They reversed some of that crazy facial surgery that they did on him.
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I mean, apparently if you go to a good doctor that knows what they're doing, they can tighten you up and it looks pretty good.
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I think the ones that we're recognizing are the ones that are terrible.
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I think that's why we say they all look the same.
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I think there's some attractive older women that have had like little nips and tucks.
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You know, but I think when we see something like Kenny Rogers, you know, there's something hideous about it, right?
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Someone chose to squeeze their face tight to erase some of the lines.
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You know, I mean, it sucks, too, because, yeah, because especially that guy, who's like this beloved character, you know, the whole The Gambler series.
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But don't you think those guys, like those celebrities, like they're so used to people seeing them for that so they don't want to ever let it go?
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Jamie, pull up on the screen who these guys are.
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The dude who stands southpaw, the guy in the red with white, he's got a nasty left hand.
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Are they from, like, tough Japan or some shit with those bullshit shorts?
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Didn't they have like a weird mock tough where Barnett and Nelson were the coach or some shit?
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There's almost too many fighters to pay attention to.
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Dude, have you seen the Japanese ring card girl?
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Let me ask you this about when it comes to girls' bodies.
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Little belly roll gives you a little extra juicy ass.
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The only reason they want to be skinny is for other girls.
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When you see those girls walking around the ring, they want to be as skinny as possible.
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Well, they're all in very good shape, but there's just so much worry about putting a little weight on.
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Anybody, like, a girl that has, like, a little, like, an extra 10 pounds, that's not foreign.
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Yeah, if I'm managing the ring car girls, they're fucking eating Mickey D's.
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Don't you think that they think that they're...
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No, all they do is drink fucking coffee and water and, like, ice cubes for dinner.
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It's a weird thing because every guy I talk to almost universally has the same opinion.
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Like a little bit of body weight on a girl doesn't bother you at all.
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Dude, you're not my friend if you like skinny bitches.
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There's nothing wrong with liking skinny girls.
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But the point, but no one, they don't look hot if they look like they're hungry.
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Just rice at the crib all the time when you come over?
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But that idea that these poor models have that they have to be these coat racks.
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There's guys out there that look at a girl and go, oh my god, she has an amazing body and she's really skinny and has big tits.
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There's a balance thing that I think people recognize.
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And there's one thing that a lot of big weightlifter dudes do is if no one's coaching them, they'll get out of fucking balance.
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Where they go way titty heavy and way bicep heavy.
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Then they got these skinny ass necks, and you're like, dude, I know if the weight goes weird on you, you can't handle it.
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The whole column in the center is made out of dog shit.
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You can't have giant biceps and a little skinny neck.
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Like, those guys that compete in the Olympia, Phil Heath is my boy, but none of those guys are ladies, man.
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They're so jacked, I bet you have to be one of those freaky bodybuilder chicks to be into that.
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They're freaks, but people like different shows.
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There's girls that are bodybuilder type chicks, but they're just not that big.
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They just started, they're like a year and a half into it, where it's perfect.
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They're probably going to get too big in a couple years, but they're like white belts of bodybuilding.
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If a girl has shoulders, man, if she has like big shoulders, I can't do it.
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You know, I have a theory about like why a girl wouldn't be into a big bodybuilder dude, like that type of a thing.
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Because I think, like, evolutionarily, like in the girl's DNA, she wants a man that can survive.
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And I think, and everybody knows that a guy like that, like, there's so much maintenance involved, first of all, in staying that big.
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And how many flights of stairs can that guy go up before his heart explodes?
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You mean, for a regular person, like, built like Echebra, built like us, a regular athletic guy, in the gym, you know, I do a few things.
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These guys don't have, there's nothing in comparison to the demands that those fucking bodies have.
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Not to mention these bitches are eating fucking chicken breast and asparagus every other day.
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Like they're literally close to blacking out every time they stand up.
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Their ass cheeks have like fucking rubber tire effect.
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Their asses and hips start, they lift so much that it's almost like a guy's muscular ass.
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But when you look at it straight back, you're like, she's walking like a dude.
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Or for having sex, like, this looks like Shane Carwin.
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Did I ever tell you about this big 230-pound dude just punked me in front of a girl before?
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She used to always try to hook me up with chicks, and she's like, I got a new one for you.
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A guy that my aunt was seeing, but he brings this giant 230-pound linebacker.
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And she wasn't drinking, so I'm thinking, this is probably not going to happen tonight.
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So we got to go on the dance floor, and this girl's a freak.
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They're looking at me, giving me this evil look.
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This guy's totally dominating me, punking me, jungle-like, right there in front of my aunt and this girl.
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The lights turn on, and he's looking at me, and he's leaning against us.
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We're trying to figure out what we're going to do, and he's holding our lights, and he goes, where you at?
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And I'm like, man, I'm right here doing nothing.
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So the plan was to meet at my aunt's house, right?
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These guys have to follow us to my aunt's house.
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My aunt's on the phone trying to figure, you know, because you got to go to a pay phone to get, then call the house.
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I think you lost trying to pick up a girl with your aunt and then going to Bennigan's.
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If it works out, if at the end of the story, he has the best sex ever.
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He and the girl, they smoke a little weed and have the best sex of all time.
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But if the end of the story was that, I had sex with her for 30 seconds.
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I know I had 20, 30 minutes before they were going to figure out where the hell she lived.
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Had sex with her for 30 seconds, and as soon as I was done, she had just begun.
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I was like 21, and she was at least my age, maybe a year older.
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She used to work for this comedy club that I worked at.
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She graduated from Harvard with a degree in women's studies.
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He's capable of fighting 100% of his ability when he gets in there.
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I haven't seen a guy game like him since Ray Diaz.
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I mean, this is where we decide where he's gonna go.
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Habib Nurmagomedov, for people who don't know what the fight is.
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He's one of the best grapplers in MMA. He's a fucking octopus.
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He ragdolled Dos Anjos, especially in the second and third round.
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And who knows how much damage he had done to his knee because there was more than one injury.
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It wasn't just like, hurt it, got it repaired, did the proper due diligence, and then came back.
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There was another injury, I believe, during rehab, right?
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So he hurt it, had surgery, went to rehab, did all that, got better, hurt it again.
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And it also could be one of the reasons why he's so fucking good.
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He's so good because he's this relentless, ferocious bulldog dude.
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Particularly him, especially with the grappling.
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Both knees and look at DC. DC had a knee injury.
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But that's, you know what man, it's like, don't, isn't that like a part of that package?
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Like a part of that package is your red line in your body.
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I sparred DC one time, I was like, what the fuck?
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And I think that was a huge contributing factor to who he is right now.
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You get that Olympic drive, and then those two get together?
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That's a big fight, that fucking December fight.
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I think it's the best fight in middleweight history.
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I think other than the Vanderlei, not Vanderlei, other than the Anderson-Weidman, the first fight, before Weidman knocked him out, but before that fight, that was the biggest fight in history.
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And before that fight, that was the biggest fight.
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But somewhere before that, when he got in, I feel like we've seen the best of Anderson.
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The fight before that was the Bonner fight, man.
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The fight before, but he looked like he was in the Matrix.
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Bonner's not at the same level, but the way he won was so shocking.
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That everybody was terrified of him after that.
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And then before that he had destroyed Chael, the Vitor front kick.
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I mean look, Anderson hadn't even been in trouble except for the Chael fight and everybody knew he came into that fight with injured ribs.
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Pretty much after the fight everybody knew, right?
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I just feel like, I feel like Weidman's beating dudes in their prime right now.
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And now these two meet, they're both young in their prime.
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But before Weidman and Anderson fought, Weidman, or Anderson rather, was considered the greatest pound for pound fighter ever.
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I just think at some point, maybe it was that fight, maybe it was in camp, he lost that edge.
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It could have been that he lost that edge, or it could be Weidman's just that motherfucker.
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But before that fight, I think that was the biggest fight of all time.
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I just feel like style-wise, Rockhold, Weidman's a better style matchup.
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I thought Anderson-Weidman was an amazing style matchup.
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Because I was like, how is Weidman going to deal with him on the feet?
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Because I was going off Chael and Anderson, and Chael could kind of do whatever he wanted.
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Kept taking him down, kept taking him down, right?
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And kind of basically beat him, then ended up fucking up at the very end, getting caught in that triangle.
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I feel like Weidman's a better striker than Chael, better wrestler.
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So I feel like you put those together, if he wanted to, he could make it a boring fight and win that fight every time.
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You got a good point, especially about Wyman's submission ability.
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You know, Chael's had inconsistent performances, but when he was at his best, like in that Anderson fight especially, dude, how about the Marquardt fight?
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Weidman is a really good wrestler, but I think Chael, at his best, he showed the same level of wrestling ability.
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But as far as a mixed martial artist, as a mixed martial artist, Chris Weidman's striking is nasty.
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He looked good in the Anderson fight, the first round when he caught Anderson with a straight left.
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But the difference, I think, is that Wyman is a crusher.
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And he has you hurt, he turns into a fucking monster.
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You know, you saw that in the first Uriah Hall fight.
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The Munoz fight was one of the most terrifying.
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I think Wyman Rockhold is definitely a fight for the ages.
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But I'm as excited about that as I was the Anderson-Wyman fight.
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I mean, both of those fights, to me, that's like the top of the heap.
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I think they're both like the same level of huge.
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I think the Anderson-Weidman fight is just as big as this.
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This is this, you know, that fight was a crazy fight.
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And the way it ended with Anderson clowning him and Weidman catching him with that left hook.
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I mean, while it was happening, I could not fucking believe my eyes.
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I think it kind of fucked Weidman because no one took him serious, and then they fight the rematch, then fucking Anderson's leg falls off, right?
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But then Weidman finally kind of gets his credit when he fights Machida, right?
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But he still, like, Weidman to me should be the biggest star in the UFC. All-American dude, beats the very best at 185. I don't give a fuck what division you want to talk about.
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185, he's American, he speaks well, he's super smart, right?
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I mean, it's not like he doesn't have the ability.
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He's not a big shit talker, but inside the hot gun, he is a motherfucker.
00:33:57.000
When guys go eye to eye with him, they see it in him.
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When guys lock eyes with him, they see it in them.
00:34:07.000
And that's why the Anderson stare-down with him was so interesting.
00:34:10.000
When Anderson got mouth-to-mouth with him, and Weidman looked at him and goes, I'm not afraid of you, dude.
00:34:16.000
There was a reality to it that Anderson was like, oh, shit.
00:34:21.000
You know Weidman wants to fight at, he wants to fight Jon Jones.
00:34:24.000
He wants to fight Jon Jones in Madison Square Garden.
00:34:29.000
Well, it's illegal, and Jon Jones has some shit going on right now.
00:34:32.000
Well, I don't know what's going on with the Jon Jones situation, but...
00:34:35.000
I know he comes fresh out of prison, beats the fuck out of anyone in the world.
00:34:45.000
I just don't want him to keep repeating this kind of behavior.
00:34:50.000
At his best, John's a fucking really interesting, intelligent guy with a crazy amount of stress, a crazy amount of responsibility.
00:34:57.000
We don't have a fighter like him in the UFC right now.
00:35:01.000
Well, he's definitely different than everybody else.
00:35:11.000
In any of the regulatory decisions that I've ever heard about.
00:35:14.000
Isn't a senator getting involved as well today as any talking shit?
00:35:21.000
Not only that, they did it based on one test that's not nearly as accurate as the other two tests.
00:35:28.000
The other two tests which were run by the World Anti-Doping Agency, the ones that take blood.
00:35:38.000
And then they take this urine test, and they run it through this laboratory, but urine is just not nearly as accurate.
00:35:46.000
So, them getting on him for that is fucking crazy.
00:35:49.000
And then, you know, I think they were upset that he took the fifth.
00:35:53.000
Okay, four minutes, 56 seconds right now in the Kakuno-Diego-Brandau fight.
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Kakuno, if you've never seen him before, he's got a weird style.
00:36:23.000
That was like Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler and shit.
00:36:26.000
Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler went a full round, believe it or not.
00:36:30.000
Went into the second round when Hagler stopped him.
00:36:37.000
Well, Kakuno, he used to have a lot of success with that.
00:36:41.000
He has like a 45-degree front kick that he throws.
00:36:44.000
It's like a combination of a roundhouse kick and a front kick.
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You're like, have you ever seen this guy in Japan?
00:36:59.000
You go, I don't think it's a roundhouse kick, but it ain't like a front kick.
00:37:04.000
He's throwing like a side snapping front snap kick with the balls of your feet to the liver.
00:37:12.000
When you throw a round kick, when you throw a round kick and you hit with the shin, it's probably the most powerful way you can throw it because your foot doesn't give in.
00:37:21.000
Like when you throw a kick with your foot, your foot kind of gives a little and you can hurt someone, but it's not nearly as effective with the ball of the foot as it is with the heel.
00:37:30.000
The heel's way more effective, because the heel doesn't have any give.
00:37:33.000
Like this, you can have a little bit of resistance because of your foot, and it's like hitting someone with a cushion behind it.
00:37:40.000
But the way Kakuno was doing it, you could tell he had done it so many times, and his technique was so sharp, there was not much movement in his foot.
00:37:48.000
And when he would pull his foot back, he would really dig the ball of the foot in there.
00:37:54.000
A lot of Kyokushin guys are really good at that.
00:37:57.000
They develop that ability to throw those front snap kicks.
00:38:01.000
The technique gets so sharp that at the end of it, they're so good at thrusting the ball of the foot in there.
00:38:08.000
I think it's another one of those kicks, man, we're starting to see more of.
00:38:19.000
You're hitting the guy with the ball of the foot to the body.
00:38:30.000
But he hasn't done it in the UFC. He's done it a few times in Japan.
00:38:36.000
He has a great combo where he'll open you up with the hands and then he'll just to land that thing and then vice versa.
00:38:43.000
I mean, he definitely caught Tony with some good shots.
00:38:59.000
I think they take it to court and I think they win easy.
00:39:03.000
I think if you look at the facts, the fact that he passed two water tests that are much more stringent, The fact that there's a threshold that they don't want you to be high while you're competing.
00:39:18.000
The threshold is so high that you could have smoked pot a couple of days ago and you should pass, according to Jeff Nowitzki.
00:39:31.000
I think what's unreasonable is they're not willing to take into consideration those other two tests.
00:39:36.000
Like, if they looked at the chain of custody from the time the blood was drawn, it was all done to the water standard, which is, you know, world anti-doping, right?
00:39:44.000
If it was done to that standard, they should accept that.
00:39:48.000
And in fact, they shouldn't even need to perform their own tests as long as there's no suspicion of corruption, there's no suspicion that someone's changing results or trying to protect a fighter.
00:39:59.000
Look, if they did, I mean, look at all the fucking different people that have been popped.
00:40:12.000
But while you were saying it, I was like, well...
00:40:16.000
Well, he had, apparently, they had accidentally sent out some results of one of Vitor's tests before he fought Jon Jones, and he had been flagged as having high testosterone.
00:40:28.000
But I think this is while he had a testosterone exemption.
00:40:31.000
So I think the issue is not that he used testosterone.
00:40:36.000
That was back when the UFC was kind of involved in, you know, they were allowed to have testosterone use exemptions.
00:40:49.000
So I think, like, they were talking about it in an article I read that the doctor would tell you, like, say if your upper threshold is like 1,200, which is apparently, like, really crazy, right?
00:40:57.000
If the doctor saw that you were at 1,100 when they test you, they're like, look, you're a little high.
00:41:01.000
Like, 10 above 10 is high, so we want you to drop your dose down a little bit.
00:41:09.000
Well, I know at one point he was tested at 1475. Good God!
00:41:13.000
Yeah, which is like, that's super silverback, werewolf, hyena dick.
00:41:24.000
I mean, Nate Marquardt was actually pulled out of a fight.
00:41:26.000
Charlie Brenneman took his place last minute and won against Rick Story.
00:41:33.000
And they pulled Nate out because of his results.
00:41:40.000
And they looked at his results, and they're like, what?
00:41:50.000
When fighters are relying on doctors, here's another issue.
00:41:58.000
The only one who knows how much he's going to take to put him in his legal limit is his doctor.
00:42:03.000
Now, if his doctor gives him the same amount every week, and then he's giving it to him on a Monday, and Nate's getting tested on a Friday, he's had a chance for his levels to naturally go lower.
00:42:13.000
But when a guy's about to fight, the doctor may likely say for best performance, like if you want to fight at your best, you should have it as high as possible.
00:42:22.000
So take your injection right before you weigh in or something along those lines.
00:42:26.000
And that way it'll be at its peak the next day.
00:42:28.000
Or even if you're used to getting a shot on Monday and you're flying out to the fight on Tuesday and you do a day late can fuck with the results.
00:42:36.000
Yeah, but the point is that when he was at the peak, whatever his peak was, if that was normal, that he was taken at that level, that's not even human.
00:42:46.000
These are what you call hyperhuman levels, what doctors refer to as hyperhuman levels.
00:42:55.000
Jesus Christ, you go into those freak bodybuilder levels.
00:43:04.000
They're so ridiculously muscular and so just overwhelmingly cartoonishly powerful.
00:43:16.000
Dude, I look at those guys and I think, what's the end of the road like for those guys?
00:43:51.000
But he also highlights that the reason why he got so good, the reason why he was Mr. Olympia, was he was willing to fucking work harder.
00:44:00.000
No, they're all on juice, but there's a difference.
00:44:15.000
You're trying to do something faster and move quicker.
00:44:17.000
When you don't move, your whole thing is standing still.
00:44:30.000
When you think about it, it's pretty homosexual, man.
00:45:09.000
Before we get going, thanks to Grillo's Pickles for hooking us up again.
00:45:18.000
He's selling them in Whole Foods and all over the place.
00:45:30.000
I was filming this scene in a movie with Kevin James.
00:45:46.000
Their pickles are so fucking good, he's just handing out pickles.
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And we were like, oh shit, he's very clever, man.
00:45:52.000
So I do a show at the Wilbur Theater, and dude gave out free pickles.
00:45:58.000
Instead of like selling pickles, the dude just gave out free pickles in the lobby.
00:46:05.000
Guerrilla marketing, just doing the damn thing.
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They're like one of those weird snacks where it's okay to eat.
00:46:22.000
Certain ones have sugar in them, but the pickle juice, people drink for electrolytes.
00:46:28.000
This is the Tyron Woodley-Johnny Hendricks fight.
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Didn't Woodley say that Johnny Hendricks bit him?
00:46:44.000
It's real hard unless you see the actual video of what it looked like when the hand made contact with the face.
00:46:49.000
Because everybody knows that in the middle of a crazy grappling session, occasionally a hand will go where it's not supposed to go.
00:47:03.000
Woodley is training a lot now with Duke, Duke Rufus.
00:47:10.000
That's his biggest problem, is his striking, really.
00:47:17.000
He's almost got, like, too much of a gift in his power and speed.
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And when you use that gift, you know, he can do shit.
00:47:25.000
Like, the way he can move, he can move, like, as fast as anybody, if not faster than anybody.
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And you've got to know when to do it and when not to do it.
00:47:33.000
So I think he has, because of that, he has a...
00:47:36.000
Compared to a guy who doesn't have that kind of horsepower, he has like a unique situation.
00:47:42.000
He has to really like figure out when to sprint and when to lay back.
00:47:46.000
And I think you saw way more than the Kelvin Gastelum fight.
00:47:51.000
Duke is like such a smart polished striker that I think Tyron can only get better trained with him.
00:47:56.000
But at the end of the day, what's scary about that dude is always that fucking bum rush, man.
00:48:12.000
I don't think like saying, hey, the only way you can win this is a sprint.
00:48:21.000
Changes his approach just slightly, be a little bit more efficient, and, you know, just know when to sprint, when not.
00:48:27.000
And I think that comes with the experience, too, don't you?
00:48:31.000
But, you know, coming into it as a wrestler, when you think about the actual amount of strike, here you see him, like, look how fast the fucking dude is.
00:48:39.000
I think when you look at his actual striking experience, though, it's not nearly as much as, say, his grappling experience.
00:48:46.000
You know, so he's got to catch up in a certain way.
00:48:53.000
That was the one where you say, Jesus, if this dude's bum rushes you, you've got a fucking terrifying problem.
00:48:59.000
But then it didn't work in the Rory McDonald fight.
00:49:02.000
Rory McDonald figured out a way how to solve the riddle that is that big right hand and the bum rush.
00:49:07.000
Kept his hands up high and did that extension thing with his arms.
00:49:23.000
He breaks down fights and talks about technique and why guys are good at it.
00:49:28.000
I think as far as MMA coaches go, he's number one.
00:49:47.000
Well, there's a few guys right now that I think they're all in the mix.
00:49:56.000
Like, for us, he's a black belt in jiu-jitsu, ridiculous kickboxer, great boxer.
00:50:12.000
His best student is pound for pound the best guy on the planet Earth today.
00:50:16.000
Mighty Mouse may be fighting guys that are small and they may be not the same sort of talent pool.
00:50:23.000
But you can't tell me John Dodson is a motherfucker.
00:50:26.000
John Dodson is a goddamn motherfucker and Mighty Mouse shut him down and did so in the most efficient and impressive way I've ever seen.
00:50:45.000
You watch all the strategy that's involved and all the thinking and all the technique and the footwork.
00:50:51.000
Those two guys, man, you want to have a super team?
00:50:57.000
Well, what's impressive with Matt Hume is at that lighter weight, you have to be good at fucking everything.
00:51:14.000
Like when he's moving on those dudes, like when I'm watching him move on dots and I'm like, this motherfucker and his footwork, like it's never the same beat.
00:51:28.000
There's all this sporadic shit that your brain has to try to process.
00:51:33.000
And that's something that Feroz has talked about too, like overloading a dude's mind with possibilities.
00:51:39.000
And I think Feroz is really the only guy I've ever heard articulate it, but you can see it in the movements of Mighty Mouse.
00:51:44.000
That's clearly what they're trying to initiate.
00:51:46.000
Bro, let's talk about Chris Weidman needs to do something.
00:52:01.000
I just hope if we keep talking about him, people will eventually figure it out.
00:52:07.000
Henry Cejudo's a big fight, but now Henry Cejudo says he won't fight in Vegas because of Nick Diaz.
00:52:19.000
You want to make a fucking change, just say, hey, we're not fighting in Vegas.
00:52:27.000
I think they're going to lose the lawsuit, first of all.
00:52:29.000
I'm pretty sure they're going to lose the lawsuit.
00:52:33.000
And by the way, they've already lost when they had a lifetime ban on Vanderlei Silva.
00:52:42.000
You can't callously take away a man's livelihood when he didn't even test positive.
00:52:47.000
Vanderlei didn't do the right thing by avoiding the test.
00:53:04.000
But the idea of taking away the man's livelihood as a punishment for escaping a drug test that if he was positive for, would only get at the time, I think it was a nine-month suspension that was mandatory, right?
00:53:19.000
Don't you think just these fucks who check guys' piss and blood are the baddest dudes on the planet just trying to...
00:53:25.000
They go home at night like, yeah, he's banned for life.
00:53:30.000
I think it's the same problem that we have with cops in a lot of ways.
00:53:36.000
When you hear about prosecutors, and when you hear about cops that are hiding evidence, and prosecutors that are avoiding evidence, or evidence that shows that the person that they're trying to convict may be innocent, you hear about those stories,
00:53:56.000
Why do people cheat when it comes to card games or pool?
00:54:03.000
And when you're arresting people, it becomes a score.
00:54:08.000
Think about if all the fighters got together like, you know what?
00:54:19.000
We're like, until you change this, until you change us, we're not coming there.
00:54:24.000
Guaranteed, we see fucking change really, really fast.
00:54:27.000
A lot of people were disappointed in something Mighty Mouse said earlier this week.
00:54:31.000
But there was a quote that people were upset about, a very particular quote.
00:54:45.000
Can we get Conor McGregor in his ear or some shit?
00:54:48.000
What about that case where those kids in Paradise Lost, they get accused of murdering these boys in the woods because they thought the dumbass cops in the small town, they thought it was a satanic ritual because they're The animals would come and they eat the balls and they eat the dick.
00:55:09.000
Oh, the animals would eat the balls and dicks, so they thought that these guys ate the balls?
00:55:13.000
So they went to the high school and found the goth kids and fucking prosecuted them.
00:55:26.000
They got murdered, but they went after the goth We're good to go.
00:55:53.000
There was so much pressure with the Supreme Court that they didn't want to lose so bad that they said, hey, we'll let you guys out of prison right now, but you got to admit that you did it.
00:56:03.000
Instead of dragging on another couple years, they let them out as long as they...
00:56:13.000
So they got them off the hook and then they let them out.
00:56:19.000
By the way, George Roop is in the middle of fighting Mitsugaki right now.
00:56:25.000
Bro, I haven't seen George Roop fight in a grip.
00:56:29.000
Mitsugaki, did he have a fight after the Dominick Cruz fight?
00:56:51.000
He came running like some sort of a wild animal at him.
00:57:00.000
Yeah, and then after when I was talking to him, he's like, dude, I barely even remember the fight.
00:57:05.000
He just went into the zone, like immediately into the zone.
00:57:08.000
See, one of the things I like about Dominic specifically is the way he thinks about fighting.
00:57:13.000
And you see that when he does the UFC analyst position, when he starts talking about, like, especially post-fight breakdowns of what guys did wrong.
00:57:21.000
And he's really, really aware of, like, movement and technique, very, very on top of the sport, you know, constantly.
00:57:30.000
Yes, him and D.C. are probably the two smartest guys I know about the sport.
00:57:33.000
As far as current fighters talking about the sport, you listen to Dominick Cruz talk, you're like, Jesus Christ.
00:57:40.000
I forget who Chael was going to fight, but we were working out together, and he was discussing these angles and his footwork.
00:57:50.000
And I think he opened up a lot of guys' eyes as to how frustrating that shit was.
00:57:55.000
You know, I think a lot of people, you know, he's one of those, there's these innovators, these fighters that will take, like, these steps.
00:58:01.000
And when they take these steps, like, you see everybody else go, oh, okay.
00:58:08.000
Well, as a sport, I mean, I think the sport is still, first of all, there's more variables, I think, in mixed martial arts than there are in any other combat sport by far, right?
00:58:18.000
And I think that just the unique demands of combat sports, the ability to keep your emotions in check, and to deal with getting your fucking bell rung, getting blasted while you're in there, those variables, there's so many.
00:58:32.000
The fact that you can take a fight to the ground, the fact that you have to avoid a guy trying to take you to the ground, the fact that while you're thinking about the guy trying to take you to the ground, he can punch you in the face, because you're looking for it.
00:58:41.000
We're not even remotely done with figuring out what's the best way to do this thing.
00:58:49.000
Just jiu-jitsu alone, you don't have enough time to master at all.
00:58:53.000
There's too many techniques in jiu-jitsu to master.
00:58:56.000
You add the wrestling, and then you add the kickboxing.
00:59:04.000
That's the best body for the long, strong guys.
00:59:10.000
It seems like, I don't know if he's still fighting, but his last fight, he won, and it looked like his jab.
00:59:16.000
Did he decide to stop doing MMA? I think so, yeah, he's focusing on Jiu-Jitsu.
00:59:22.000
He won his last fight and then just said, fuck it?
00:59:24.000
I'm not positively retired, but I know he's doing way more Jiu-Jitsu.
00:59:28.000
It seemed like his striking was finally coming together.
00:59:37.000
But you know who impressed the shit out of me in the Neil Magni fight is Damian Maia.
00:59:48.000
I saw in the Rick Story fight, I'm like, this is like a next level constrictor.
00:59:52.000
You know, especially when he gets down to 170, he's a big ass 170. At 185, he was like a good size.
01:00:00.000
But at 170, you can tell that with his technique and then the strength and leverage, the long limbs advantage that he's having...
01:00:10.000
But it's the way he took the back, and then when I talked to him about it afterwards, after the fight, he was talking about the adjustments that he had to make to get Neil Magny's back and to finish him off because of how he was defending.
01:00:21.000
I'm like, guys, he's on a very, very high level.
01:00:28.000
Then Neil took that fight against Eric Silva and then won that fight, so he's back on track.
01:00:34.000
It was weird to see Eric Silva look like that, right?
01:00:37.000
A lot of people had questions about the way he looked physically.
01:00:42.000
This is just something we're going to have to deal with in the middle of this drug testing environment now.
01:00:49.000
When you come in and your body looks radically different than it did before, Immediately people are going to suspect.
01:00:54.000
Don't you think people have the right to suspect?
01:01:03.000
Boxing's been around for 7,000 years and they haven't figured out how to keep that together.
01:01:10.000
The amount of testing that the UFC fighters go through is above and beyond anything you ever see ever in boxing.
01:01:19.000
Unless you get a Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao type situation where they agree.
01:01:25.000
But even in that one, we found out that Floyd took an IV. Yeah.
01:01:29.000
Bro, you're not allowed to take an IV. Without getting it cleared.
01:01:34.000
With under the U.S. anti-doping agency rules because you can use an IV and the IV can mask the use of any sort of steroid you're on.
01:01:42.000
Bro, you ever seen Evander Holyfield back in the day?
01:01:50.000
He didn't test positive, but he got linked to a steroid clinic under the name like Boley Holyfield or some bullshit.
01:02:09.000
When Tyson came out of jail, remember when we saw Jack Tyson?
01:02:28.000
Who was the Irish guy that he fought the first time out of jail?
01:02:35.000
Jake O'Brien is a guy who fought in the UFC. What am I talking about?
01:02:41.000
When Tyson fought Peter McNeely, did you ever see what he looked like from that fight?
01:02:44.000
Jamie, pull up a picture of Mike Tyson versus Peter McNeely.
01:03:09.000
That's like fighting Jon Jones out of jail or prison.
01:03:15.000
Also, the amount of people that were paying attention to that because they felt like Mike Tyson got railroaded.
01:03:20.000
That was a questionable decision, what had happened to him.
01:03:28.000
Sort of strategy for dealing with the case was that the girl should have known.
01:03:35.000
Yeah, that she should have known, but also she should have known because of the guy that Mike is.
01:03:39.000
Like, their strategy was to, like, make it look like he was just a bad guy.
01:03:46.000
Watch the Marvis Fraser fight and expect, what do you think's going to happen when you get alone with that guy?
01:03:53.000
You know he has that big old dick coming up to the hotel room.
01:03:56.000
And that was essentially their strategy, the lawyer's strategy.
01:04:00.000
The judge was like, get the fuck out of here with this.
01:04:03.000
But the girl had apparently, allegedly, she had a false rape accusation already before the Tyson.
01:04:12.000
So it wasn't, you know, look man, some of these people out there in this wild world are crazy as fuck.
01:04:19.000
If Joey Diaz was Mike Tyson's lawyer, what would that sound like?
01:04:23.000
Listen, cocksucker, everybody knows you're a fucking creep.
01:04:27.000
You're showing your giant dick to the fucking general public.
01:04:48.000
We're gonna break out the fucking Ouija board and conjure up your grandmother.
01:05:19.000
I really shouldn't be even saying what the evidence was because I barely remember.
01:05:27.000
She had come up to the room, she had taken off her panty shield in the bathroom, and they were saying, like, that says that she was getting ready for sex, which doesn't necessarily mean that.
01:05:36.000
It could mean she didn't need it anymore, it was funky, she took a leak, she wanted to take it out of her vagina, that's what the garbage is for.
01:05:49.000
I don't think there was anything that, you know, could have...
01:05:56.000
I don't think there's anything that could have been done while it was going on to make it...
01:06:02.000
If you're not there, right, to make it accurate, if you're not there, if you're not the woman or you're not the man, when you're describing something that happens, when someone's alleging that someone raped you...
01:06:12.000
You kind of fuck when you're Mike Tyson, you accuse him of rape, because we're all like, yeah, I can see it, but did he do it?
01:06:29.000
When you find out that someone had already gotten off of a false rape accusation, that doesn't necessarily mean that they can't get raped still.
01:06:44.000
Bitches do be crazy, but who knows what the original circumstance was.
01:06:50.000
Maybe she was dating some other animal or something.
01:06:53.000
But I tell you, you're guilty right away, especially in the public.
01:06:56.000
If you're an athlete, big dude, scary dude, you're guilty right away.
01:07:02.000
I mean, Mike Tyson in his prime was the scariest boxer of all time.
01:07:08.000
When he would go in there with that towel cut off, no fucking socks on.
01:07:28.000
Bro, that motherfucker Fedor's on some shit right now.
01:07:32.000
I'm saying he's on that prison workout program, bro.
01:07:48.000
Why did you say Tyson got prison officer pregnant?
01:08:00.000
No, what am I, TMZ? I don't even want to read that.
01:08:22.000
Remember he was talking about the girl, the prison lady?
01:08:25.000
The two guys who escaped the prison earlier this year, they were fucking the prison guard.
01:08:30.000
Now you gotta honeydick them in and give them your keys to get out.
01:08:38.000
Is that the optimum look, though, when you're fighting?
01:08:48.000
You know the Japanese anime where there's girls that are cops and detectives going after criminals and the criminals always fuck them?
01:08:59.000
They're always going after him, and they almost catch him, they catch him, he seduces her, he fucks her, and he escapes, and she's constantly trying to...
01:09:07.000
The female cops and, like, super gangster dudes who have tons of money and big dicks.
01:09:14.000
All those cartoons are based on, uh, inspired by real events.
01:09:17.000
A situation like the girl has to go undercover.
01:09:21.000
And then, you know, while she's undercover, she falls in love.
01:09:28.000
She tries to pull the card at the end and arrest him, but she can't do it.
01:09:36.000
She almost has him, and then he just fucking talks her into sucking his dick.
01:09:41.000
What is up with those weird Japanese anime ones where they have octopuses?
01:09:47.000
They're getting fucked by, like, multiple armed animals and shit.
01:10:06.000
That's funny, because for the last couple of days, I've been really into going on YouTube and just watching intelligent octopus documentaries where they test their intelligence.
01:10:18.000
Off the coast of Washington, they have a problem with, there's certain areas that they have a problem with in the water, where an octopus attack you, and they got it on film, like attacking these divers and shit.
01:10:33.000
Have you ever seen the video of them eating sharks?
01:10:37.000
Pull up the video of octopus kills a shark because there was a problem that they had with this aquarium where these sharks were dying and they thought that like someone was stealing the sharks or they thought that maybe like one of the other sharks was killing the sharks.
01:10:53.000
They couldn't figure out what the fuck was going on.
01:10:55.000
So they set up a camera, and in the hidden camera they found out that octopuses are gangster as fuck.
01:11:04.000
They hide in these rocks, and they pretend to be the color of the rock.
01:11:08.000
They can change their color to look like their background.
01:11:12.000
And while this shark is swimming by, the octopus just fucking explodes out and grabs him and eats him alive.
01:11:22.000
Well, it's a small shark, but it's just, when you put these motherfuckers in captivity, the sharks don't give a shit.
01:11:28.000
As long as they have food, they're kind of dumb.
01:11:43.000
I think I've seen this, but the footage ain't that good.
01:11:48.000
Once they knew that the octopus was doing this, they set up all sorts of cameras.
01:11:54.000
I mean, that was probably taken three weeks before.
01:11:57.000
Well, I think both scenes are probably bullshit.
01:12:06.000
Eddie Bravo knows a little bit too much about the business.
01:12:10.000
Anytime I watch a Discovery Channel, I'm like, how do they get the cameras all over this?
01:12:17.000
How did they get the camera in the water like that?
01:12:19.000
Eddie Bravo can't watch a fucking superhero movie.
01:12:25.000
Like, why would you watch it if you know what's going to happen at the end?
01:12:50.000
Well, their tentacles, man, their tentacles are not just strong as fuck, but the suction cups have prongs.
01:13:01.000
It's not as simple as those are just soft suctions.
01:13:10.000
And if they lose a leg, their leg just grows right back.
01:13:14.000
And they have eyeballs that are really effective, but they're so different than ours, it's like a completely different branch of the evolutionary chain.
01:13:28.000
Yeah, what's crazy is when they're born from day one, they're on their own.
01:13:32.000
So that's why they're so skittish and they hide all the time.
01:13:34.000
But if you raise octopus in an environment where they don't have anything to fear, they go right up to you.
01:13:44.000
There's this octopus in this cove where they're not afraid at all.
01:13:48.000
You go into the water, they come right up to you and look you right in the fucking eye.
01:13:51.000
They go right up to you and swim around and check you out.
01:13:55.000
But in the wild, since day one they're by themselves, their mothers don't raise them, they're just skittish and they're just hiding and shit all the time.
01:14:02.000
Well I think when they come in contact with people too, if they have any sort of means of communication, they would let them know that people are dangerous.
01:14:10.000
If they are really smart, I don't know how smart octopus are.
01:14:16.000
I don't know how much information they can transfer to each other.
01:14:20.000
There's all these videos of them doing, they learn really, really quick.
01:14:25.000
They'll take an octopus, a wild octopus, they'll put it in an aquarium, and then they put a crab in some glass container where they can see the crab and they can't fish.
01:14:35.000
But then, in the next container, they have an octopus that knows exactly how to get him.
01:14:40.000
So the fucking octopus is watching the other one open shit up, and he's right there, and the octopus is like all excited, going like this, going, oh shit, I know how to do it.
01:14:51.000
So then they give him another fucking crab in this glass container, and that octopus just goes.
01:15:07.000
They got an octopus on a cop on a diver's head!
01:15:23.000
I would rather be in the water with a shark than a killer octopus.
01:15:31.000
How big would the octopus be before you start freaking out?
01:15:34.000
We're talking about a giant squid, like Moby Dick squid here?
01:15:37.000
You'd have to start getting nervous at a certain weight.
01:15:45.000
Especially in the water, it wouldn't even take that much.
01:15:54.000
If you're in the water, okay, a really big one, like a 50, 60 pounder, could kill you.
01:16:02.000
They could drag you and they could bite your tank.
01:16:12.000
But if you got caught up in one of these in a tangle...
01:16:22.000
If it's that smart and it cuts your scuba cable, you're a dead man.
01:16:26.000
Unless you can get to a knife and start stabbing that thing in the head.
01:16:30.000
There's a human getting attacked on this and you guys are watching.
01:16:34.000
You guys are discussing what would happen and they're showing you what's happened.
01:16:54.000
I'm not talking about one of these Moby Dick squids.
01:17:00.000
They have a problem in Washington off the coast.
01:17:11.000
Like some bunch of 20-year-olds go camping off the coast of Washington.
01:17:15.000
Jamie, rewind that because it's like that thing from the movie Alien.
01:17:21.000
Meanwhile, the whole boy's on the screen crying his eyes out right now.
01:17:42.000
But, you know, they found these fossil remains of what they think was an enormous one.
01:17:47.000
The problem is when these things die, we don't know how big they used to be.
01:17:51.000
You know, we know Megalodon existed, but we know that basically because of his jaw.
01:17:55.000
We don't know how big their beaks were, and there's times they can't find their bodies because their bodies deteriorate, but they have fossilized remains of enormous suction cups in an octopus's tentacle formation that they think indicates those mysteries of the kraken,
01:18:13.000
where they would talk about this enormous fucking octopus that could take down a ship, and sailors would see them at sea and be terrified.
01:18:21.000
Could have been bullshit, but they have these fossilized versions now of those tentacles, the suction cups, that are making scientists reconsider, and they think there might have been an enormous one.
01:18:31.000
Like, they never even saw that giant squid until, like, a few years ago.
01:18:37.000
Dude, dudes are going to train octopus to jerk them off.
01:18:51.000
What do you do to the gerbil when you put it in your butt?
01:19:08.000
You put them in a giant condom, like a bicycle ear tube.
01:19:20.000
If you want to do it safe, you grab them up in a bike hose.
01:19:23.000
Dude, I would never do it without breaking their jaw.
01:19:35.000
Roy Nelson is the main event here, and this is interesting watching Josh Barnett back in the fucking Pride days.
01:19:45.000
But he's been doing Metamorris, but that's a different animal.
01:19:54.000
Submitted Dean Lister, too, who's even bigger than here on.
01:20:01.000
He was one of the first guys to submit Dean in like fucking 15 or 16 years.
01:20:14.000
I mean, maybe it was like as a black belt ever, but whatever it was, it was super impressive.
01:20:18.000
Eddie, are we betting on this main event and co-main event?
01:20:25.000
See, I think Barnett's going to win, but I'll bet you for the sake of it.
01:20:28.000
You guys don't think that Roy Nelson can pull it off?
01:20:31.000
I think Josh is too experienced to eat that one.
01:20:36.000
And it shows because he's won one of his last four fights.
01:20:45.000
Roy can always turn the lights out on you, man.
01:20:48.000
But when you're fighting a vet like Josh Barnett, man, they go, alright, you got a huge right hand, cool, we're gonna minimize that, I'm gonna get you into the cage.
01:20:56.000
And really, you know, we talk about Roy being a black belt, which he is, don't get me wrong, under Henzo Gracie, but Josh Barnett's a motherfucker.
01:21:07.000
And if you remember Frank Mayer vs Roy Nelson, remember Frank got him against Cage, was taking him down, kinda whooping his ass?
01:21:11.000
So when I see that, I think Barnett's looking at that footage going, alright, we're gonna get him against Cage, we're gonna get him down and do work.
01:21:22.000
Because how impressive was Josh against Frank Mir?
01:21:26.000
I mean, he made Frank Mir look like it was towards the end of his career, and then Frank Mir after that went on this big comeback, right?
01:21:34.000
But when you looked at that fight, that's a big part of it, right?
01:21:47.000
But we look at him in the UFC, especially this comeback.
01:21:50.000
He beat Mare, which at the time, it wasn't like the Mare now.
01:22:06.000
That one technique that Travis used on Gonzaga and he used on him.
01:22:24.000
I think Barnett with Roy, I think Stipe was the first one to like, alright, let's just avoid this right hand and go to work.
01:22:30.000
And Josh is such a smarter fighter than all these other guys.
01:22:33.000
Well, I think it's super interesting, but we're also assuming that Roy hasn't figured out that he needs to make some adjustments.
01:22:43.000
See, what I know about Roy is he got good at jiu-jitsu enough to be a black belt, enough to be a highly considered black belt, beat Frank Mir in that grappling competition.
01:22:51.000
To get that good at grappling, you have to be able to solve problems.
01:22:55.000
So if he is really good at this one thing that he already knows, he's really good at knocking people out.
01:22:59.000
You're talking about a young guy when he competed and all that.
01:23:01.000
Yeah, but don't you think that he's just as hungry now as probably he's ever been before?
01:23:05.000
I never see that guy looking like he's lost his enthusiasm for things.
01:23:09.000
He's always been trying to fight the best guys in the world.
01:23:12.000
I mean, and he's had some spectacular results against high-level guys.
01:23:16.000
When he knocked out Czech-Kongo, Czech-Kongo was pretty highly regarded, right?
01:23:23.000
Yeah, after the Cain Velasquez fight, especially.
01:23:32.000
That was a long time ago, and he still lost that fight.
01:23:38.000
Well, listen man, Pat Berry had him on Queer Street.
01:23:41.000
He gave him his mailbox, gave him the keys to his apartment.
01:23:45.000
You know I love you, but Pat Berry's not a world-class guy.
01:23:48.000
But at that time, Pat Berry had never been knocked out before.
01:23:51.000
And Check Congo knocked him out with one punch.
01:23:55.000
But Pat had not been knocked out before, and that sort of started a series of bad losses that Pat had.
01:24:11.000
So I think Kongo's pretty highly regarded, in my opinion.
01:24:14.000
In the UFC. And then after that, Roy knocking him out.
01:24:19.000
I'm pretty sure Roy knocked him out after he had the war with Pat Peer.
01:24:25.000
I just think that Roy has some stupid power, and you never know with a guy like that, man.
01:24:31.000
When a guy has that kind of stupid power, if Roy hits you, if you fuck up, if you zig when you should have zagged, the dude can shut it off.
01:24:39.000
But when you get to a certain level and you only have one thing, I'm not saying Roy only has one thing, but if your right hand's a motherfucker and you get to a certain level, these pros pros go, okay, not getting caught with that.
01:24:50.000
And it's showing because he's one in four in his last five.
01:24:53.000
I think, you know, it's cute, too, that he has that look, you know, with the big belly and he rubs his belly and he gets on top of the octagon.
01:24:59.000
But I think the reality is he would move better and fight better if he didn't have that.
01:25:03.000
It's amazing how far he's gotten with all that extra body fat.
01:25:19.000
Eddie Bravo says Roy Nelson could make 185. If he got his diet together?
01:25:29.000
But, I mean, look, maybe he could skinny the fuck out of himself and make 185. But if he did, he would probably be in hell.
01:25:42.000
Yeah, 255, 250. How many pounds overweight do you think he is?
01:25:53.000
Joe Riggs used to be 300 pounds, and he fought at 300 pounds, and then he got down to 170. Yeah, but Joe Riggs was a different thing.
01:26:03.000
I think when he first started losing weight, Joe was really obese.
01:26:06.000
I think it was a different kind of leg obese, arm obese.
01:26:12.000
Well, it's weird because he's only got it in the belly.
01:26:21.000
His belly's this giant belly, and his legs are normal size.
01:26:25.000
He doesn't have, like, the definition of shoulders.
01:26:30.000
Mark Hunt carries his body fat all over the place.
01:26:41.000
I'm not a nutritional expert, so I could throw some bro science your way.
01:26:52.000
I don't know what makes a guy's gut stick out more.
01:26:54.000
Like, when you see a guy and he has a giant belly, but everything else seems sort of normal size, like, what is it?
01:27:01.000
Is it just his genetics where all the fat goes to the stomach?
01:27:04.000
There's so many guys with giant bellies, but their legs are kind of normal.
01:27:08.000
Sometimes girls eat and they just have these fat asses, bro.
01:27:29.000
And then he had this crazy fucking belly that didn't make any sense.
01:27:33.000
He would just look at his belly and go, what in the fuck?
01:27:37.000
I was like, all that guy would have to do is get rid of that part of his body.
01:27:41.000
And he's like a guy who plays softball on a regular basis.
01:27:49.000
Sometimes it's a kind of a hormone issue, right?
01:28:19.000
As long as no one likes to pretend, they don't like to pretend.
01:28:23.000
That they know what the fuck they're talking about.
01:28:25.000
Because that bro science goes down the chain, you know?
01:28:27.000
Because whatever you tell me, then I tell someone.
01:28:39.000
That's a weird thing though, man, like people's diets.
01:28:42.000
I've been paying attention to my sugar intake lately over the last few weeks.
01:28:48.000
But I'm shocked at how much sugar is in things that I didn't know.
01:28:51.000
Do you know that low-fat milk, for the most part, has sugar in it?
01:28:55.000
They put sugar in low-fat milk because otherwise it's just nothing.
01:28:59.000
And by the way, low fat sugar, or low fat milk rather, don't drink it.
01:29:04.000
Because all the things like vitamin D, vitamin K, vitamin E, they all have to bond to fats.
01:29:10.000
So like, there's no fats in the milk, so it's like you're just drinking water.
01:29:21.000
If you read the ingredients, that shit is all sugar.
01:29:29.000
Most of the stuff you get though has the famous brands.
01:29:45.000
I go, ooh, did you check to see how much sugar is in it?
01:29:47.000
And so we did it on the phone, and it was just some stupid amount.
01:29:50.000
And it was for only like a little baby glass that you know you're not going to have.
01:30:01.000
Sometimes I wonder why I work out so hard so I can't eat like shit.
01:30:04.000
Do you want some mangoes with chili on them right now?
01:30:17.000
I'm avoiding sugar, and my number one issue is these fucking Trader Joe's mangoes with chili on them.
01:30:44.000
It's almost like it's so good, it's like, let's figure out what it doesn't have and then put that free, you know, cholesterol free.
01:31:09.000
Like, what are you using, butter to make your mangoes?
01:31:18.000
If it's made out of bread, then it's not really a mango, you fuck.
01:31:26.000
Horiguchi's first fight since he lost to Mighty Mouse.
01:31:34.000
I thought Chico Camus looked real good in his, uh, how much?
01:31:45.000
They didn't even try to hide it by saying, hide, food, toast, corn, serve.
01:31:58.000
I thought Chico Camus looked really good against your boy Henry Cejudo.
01:32:07.000
How bad are artificial sweeteners when soda companies advertise we use real sugar?
01:32:17.000
At this point in time, that's all people want, man.
01:32:25.000
They feel like it's too risky to get involved with aspartame.
01:32:31.000
The reality is you're only supposed to get sugar from actual foods.
01:32:35.000
Like sugar from fruits, sugar from apples, you know, sugar from things that taste sweet.
01:32:41.000
Like this creepy way that we've got of like sucking all the sugar out and stockpiling it and then injecting it directly into our bloodstream in the form of candy.
01:32:59.000
But you know who needs it, apparently, is those super triathletes and marathon runners and shit?
01:33:05.000
They say people who are real explosive need it.
01:33:15.000
Who's the guy that was fighting MMA? He fought Tim Sylvia.
01:33:49.000
But I guess he's just blowing his sugar levels out of his muscles so much.
01:33:54.000
When you're on so much steroids, though, it doesn't fucking matter.
01:33:56.000
Do you remember that real buff guy that was the mascot for King of the Cage?
01:34:00.000
He was a huge bodybuilder, so they would use him for in-between shots of fights.
01:34:10.000
So I was there when he had a photo shoot because I had to do a photo thing because I was a commentator.
01:34:15.000
So they were going to knock out a bunch of photo shoots.
01:34:17.000
And he's sitting there in the waiting room with a gigantic bag of Skittles.
01:34:23.000
And he said, to get the biggest pump, you need sugar running through your veins to get the biggest pump.
01:34:34.000
He was eating Skittles right before this photo shoot.
01:34:38.000
These dudes that lift that much weight, I think they just blow their sugar out of their body.
01:34:48.000
Because the whole thing was they had these MMA fights.
01:34:51.000
And then they had this guy that was supposed to be the king of the cage.
01:34:56.000
And the guy who was supposed to be the king of the cage was just an actor or a bodybuilder.
01:35:03.000
It wasn't like he was the guy that was at the top of the heap.
01:35:04.000
He was the guy that locked the cage before the fights.
01:35:13.000
What it was is Boz Rutten owned, he was part owner, right, in the first one.
01:35:17.000
So the logo was like Boz Rutten buff with a bald guy.
01:35:21.000
So when Boz Rutten bolted from King of the Cage, they kept the logo, but then they just turned it into a real dude.
01:35:35.000
Bro, I think my mom had, like, maple syrup in her titties when I was young.
01:35:47.000
I'm not gonna lie to you guys, I haven't watched one single fight.
01:35:55.000
I'm sitting here listening to you guys talk about fights, and I feel like I'm not a real fan.
01:36:03.000
No, you're a real fan, but you're running a hundred fucking jiu-jitsu schools.
01:36:15.000
I mean, my job, especially, I'm the commentator for the UFC. I mean, I'm supposed to be in Japan right now.
01:36:20.000
There's no way you can have all that information about all these fights and fighters and what happened in these fights in the second round and the third fucking round and all that shit unless you watch him again.
01:36:50.000
It's a different thing when you're calling fights, especially.
01:37:15.000
To do an hour-long set and to do a new hour-long set every year or so.
01:37:37.000
The five-year-old has figured out it's hilarious though now.
01:37:41.000
So my wife gets bummed out, and I think it's hilarious, so I'm laughing.
01:37:48.000
So the five-year-old the other day, she's in bed reading stories.
01:37:52.000
She grabs the back of her knees, rolls her butt back in the air, and blasts one up in the air.
01:38:04.000
She doesn't think I should necessarily encourage it.
01:38:08.000
And I'll say, hey, all right, you got to stop farting.
01:38:11.000
In my house, laughter is valued very, very, very heavily.
01:38:20.000
We laugh about everything, and we joke around about stuff all the time, and we're always like, if something goes wrong, even if something goes wrong, they do something that they shouldn't do, there's always some laughter involved.
01:38:32.000
So when she finds out that she can make us fucking howl laughing by sticking her butt in the air, They just start doing stuff, man.
01:38:44.000
She goes to middle school and starts ripping farts.
01:38:46.000
I want her to be a nice person, and I want her to be however she wants to be as long as she interacts with people.
01:38:58.000
But when you're at your house and someone says, alright, you can't rip those farts when you're in the teacher's office.
01:39:04.000
All you have to do is teach the kid when to fart and when not to fart.
01:39:07.000
That's why I think also teach them about swearing.
01:39:13.000
Notice, when daddy talks to the guy at the Lexus dealership, notice how daddy doesn't use the word cunt.
01:39:18.000
Yeah, because cunts, you can't say cunt to the Lexus guy.
01:39:21.000
You know, you gotta know when to be appropriate and when not to be appropriate.
01:39:26.000
But don't, because you don't want them figuring it out through other people, you know?
01:39:33.000
If you think that it's okay to use certain words, you should use those words in front of your kids.
01:39:37.000
But you should use them when you think they're able to discern when to and when not to use them.
01:39:45.000
Very rarely do I accidentally fuck up and swear in front of the kids.
01:39:51.000
But as time goes on, I will absolutely start swearing more.
01:40:03.000
What kind of swear word are we talking to here?
01:40:05.000
Like occasional fuck and every now and then a shit.
01:40:11.000
No, but the shit one, when the little one was three, this was hilarious, dude.
01:40:16.000
We were skiing, and we put all our stuff in the bag we were leaving, and she forgot to pack her helmet.
01:40:23.000
And I go, honey, you forgot to put your helmet in there.
01:40:44.000
What's weird is around my wife, she doesn't laugh.
01:40:52.000
But around me, he knows he could fart, and I'll laugh.
01:41:02.000
But then when mom's around, we're in the bathroom, and then he farts, I gotta hold it in.
01:41:05.000
And he's looking at me, and I gotta keep a straight face.
01:41:08.000
He's like, don't throw me under the bus over here!
01:41:11.000
And I'm like, I don't want to hear it from her.
01:41:13.000
And then she's looking at me, knowing that I'm holding it in.
01:41:19.000
Like, when Daddy's around, he could just blow those...
01:41:22.000
So that's a problem that we're having right now.
01:41:25.000
We're having a fart problem at the whole house.
01:41:29.000
Listen, man, I mean, I think if you can't hold him in, it's like, it's a nice thing to do.
01:41:36.000
It's hard enough holding my farts in around my wife.
01:41:41.000
But I'm not going to hold my farts in around my son, too.
01:41:57.000
Another headline in the OG. Eddie Bravo farts around son, holds it around wife.
01:42:14.000
We're talking about an octopus for a solid hour.
01:42:19.000
And I said before this podcast that this podcast would not be a regular podcast, but it kind of is.
01:42:43.000
Chico Camus looks super good in this fight, as does Horiguchi.
01:42:56.000
Yes, it started early for our viewing pleasure.
01:43:04.000
So they probably started at like 9 or something?
01:43:07.000
If you're on those prelims, you're waking up early.
01:43:19.000
He really just gets up at 7 and takes a photo and puts it up of the night before his training.
01:44:09.000
If I have to take the kids to school, you know, depends.
01:44:12.000
But a lot of times, I'll take like 8 o'clock yoga class.
01:44:24.000
I'm getting very close to being able to do jiu-jitsu again.
01:44:27.000
I'm going to get another MRI to get it looked at.
01:44:49.000
11th round TKO? He stopped him in the 11th round?
01:45:17.000
He trained for like three years and that fool's on the Olympic team.
01:45:27.000
He was one of the guys that was in line for Tyson Fury.
01:45:30.000
Tyson Fury, they offered him this fight, and instead he took the Vladimir Klitschko fight, and Vladimir fucked his calf up.
01:45:38.000
Yeah, now he's, you know, he's shit out of luck.
01:45:41.000
But Wilder's smart, you know, not taking a fight with Klitschko yet.
01:45:46.000
Well, he's just, you know, he's getting ready, and Klitschko is...
01:45:52.000
And I'm not saying that he is, but I'm not saying that he isn't.
01:46:03.000
But this is the reason for bringing it up, though.
01:46:06.000
Because if he is doing drugs, he can keep that high level for a much longer time.
01:46:12.000
If he's not doing drugs, you've got to wonder how much time he has left.
01:46:16.000
At 39 years of age, the wheels can fall off at any moment.
01:46:21.000
You have to think about his amateur career and his pro career.
01:46:23.000
I think he's like 63 and 3 or some shit like that.
01:46:27.000
Well, his brother was a competitive kickboxer, and I think he was too.
01:46:35.000
Yeah, his brother fought PKA karate style, above the waist kickboxing.
01:46:45.000
He actually got knocked out in kickboxing, like that PKA karate style.
01:46:49.000
I forget who he fought, but he fought some guy who was...
01:47:02.000
When he was at his best, I watched the Shannon Briggs fight the other day.
01:47:08.000
Jesus Christ, you guys keep up with boxing and UFC? Well, that- boxing's great right now.
01:47:13.000
We talked about- I talked about Shannon Briggs on the podcast recently.
01:47:17.000
Shannon Briggs, I went back and forth with him on Instagram now.
01:47:24.000
Every video he does, he- is this Klitschko gets knocked out?
01:47:32.000
Shannon Briggs has these motivational videos on Instagram.
01:47:41.000
Not just talking shit to Vladimir, but talking positive shit like, come on champ!
01:47:59.000
Was he the cat trying to get the fight with Vladimir?
01:48:14.000
It's very possible it'll happen now because Briggs just won.
01:48:18.000
He just knocked out his opponent, I want to say in the second round, but he looked real good, dude.
01:48:23.000
I mean, I don't know who the dude was that he fought, but he looked sharp, and it was impressive.
01:48:27.000
And he's got a big following on social media, like Snoop Dogg made this video where he was smoking weed, and Snoop was like, take a big puff, let's go champ, I'm fucking with you champ, I'm out here for you champ, I'm smoking this joint for you champ.
01:48:42.000
Well, he's like, it's super positive, like all the stuff that he does is very positive.
01:49:03.000
But he did a song with Snoop Dogg and there's a cartoon that goes along with it.
01:49:19.000
And dude, it's one of the most brilliant rap songs ever, man.
01:49:35.000
Watching a 15 minute video of these two guys in long pants throwing shitty kicks.
01:50:02.000
But the dude starts getting loose with his kicks.
01:50:28.000
And Vladimir is 39. So that could have been from, you know.
01:50:34.000
People are just figuring out Muay Thai back then.
01:50:39.000
They didn't know that that no kick into the legs is just stupid as fuck.
01:50:57.000
Yeah, he may have been famous and a legend and all that, but looking at his record, he was, like, 13-6 or something like that.
01:51:07.000
It was one of the first fights that we ever got to see a guy who really knew how to throw leg kicks, though.
01:51:14.000
He beat him by leg kicks and they had to put him in a stretcher, Rick Rufus, in a stretcher because he couldn't walk.
01:51:18.000
And Duke, who gets interviewed after the fight, was like, well, not a lot of skill involved in that.
01:51:26.000
It's kind of funny because now he's like one of the best Muay Thai for MMA coaches in the country.
01:51:33.000
You watch that when his brother got his legs kicked out.
01:51:37.000
When I first saw UFC 2, I was blown away by hoists.
01:51:42.000
I was doing karate at the time and to me I was thinking this is probably just primitive ass wrestling.
01:51:51.000
But then I went in and got choked out 37 times and realized, oh shit, it's not primitive wrestling, it's highly advanced wrestling.
01:52:03.000
I thought that Taekwondo was the best way to fight stand-up until I started kickboxing.
01:52:10.000
And I started boxing, just straight boxing with people to get better at kickboxing.
01:52:13.000
And then I realized, man, Like, my boxing is so far behind these guys, and I thought my hands were so much better than they were.
01:52:22.000
And then I started sparring with this kid, this kid named Dana Rosenblatt, who went on to be, like, New England middleweight boxing champion.
01:52:34.000
We did some kickboxing too, but we did a lot of only boxing.
01:52:36.000
But the point is, he had a friend that was fighting in Thailand.
01:52:40.000
He would go over to Thailand and fight the Thais.
01:52:45.000
This dude was like one of the first Americans to start going over there training in Thailand and fighting Thailand.
01:52:51.000
And so Dana and I were going over some of the techniques and we were talking about some of it.
01:52:55.000
And we were talking about the elbows and the kicks.
01:52:59.000
And just him hitting me half-assed On the leg, like not trying to hurt me, just him throwing a leg kick and feeling the shin slam into my leg, just like that, just thump.
01:53:09.000
I remember thinking, oh no, like, oh no, like this is all missing.
01:53:17.000
And then the clinching and the knees to the body and then the elbows from the clinch, I was like, Jesus Christ, like there's a giant hole missing in all the stand-up.
01:53:26.000
And then, you know, it never really took off because of that PKA karate shit.
01:53:31.000
You know, the PKA karate kind of, like, spoiled people to the idea of kickboxing.
01:53:40.000
I think, like, a lot of people in this country that are, like, in our 40s, I mean, we look back on that stuff on TV. If you don't study martial arts, you think of kickboxing as, like, bad Brad Hefton.
01:53:49.000
Like, with the shiny red shorts, throwing, like, as many, they have to show, like, throw, like, six kicks around.
01:53:57.000
So they would throw these little flippy kicks and they would get in there with some sloppy boxing.
01:54:05.000
Until Rick Rufus came along and a few guys came along that were real dynamic.
01:54:21.000
They put on something called Dynamite that was part kickboxing and part MMA. But here's what I think, though, man.
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I think kickboxing's dope, and I like watching it, but you know what's better?
01:54:33.000
You know, because it's the full fucking arsenal of punching, kicking, elbows, and knees, and the clinch.
01:54:39.000
I watched the lion fight that was this past weekend.
01:54:45.000
Dream killer Bolanos, did you see that fucking spinning elbow he knocked that dude out with?
01:54:57.000
I don't think there's any reason to take that out.
01:54:59.000
I don't think there's any reason to take elbows out.
01:55:01.000
I think if organizations like Glory and those, if guys want to just kickbox, let them just kickbox.
01:55:21.000
There's not as many households that have AXS TV. I don't even think on Spike it does well though.
01:55:27.000
It doesn't do as well as it probably could for whatever reason.
01:55:32.000
It's not like something that people have been accustomed to.
01:55:35.000
But watching the fucking, the Muay Thai on AXS TV, dude.
01:55:42.000
And this guy, Joe Nottawat, have you ever seen him?
01:55:50.000
The dude just throws punches to close the distance.
01:55:57.000
Left kick to the body, left kick to just chopping this dude down.
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And then once he gets close in on him, he finishes him with actually two elbows to the back of the head.
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He blasts him with one elbow, and then as the guy's going down, he just fucking tomahawks the back of his neck.
01:56:17.000
One guy, I think it was his pro debut, and they fucking went at it.
01:56:26.000
The lion fight is getting these guys from Thailand that are super high-level Thai fighters, and you're seeing some wild, wild fights because of it.
01:56:38.000
Someone asked me last night, and I said, I don't know, fucking $500?
01:56:42.000
The guy who was making his debut, I was like, maybe $1,000?
01:56:45.000
I was trying to think back to my debut in MMA, maybe $1,000?
01:56:50.000
I think it's the most underappreciated thing going on right now, Lion Fight.
01:57:03.000
They just figured out how to make kickboxing entertaining.
01:57:08.000
I think there's a part of the problem with kickboxing is you're able to do this.
01:57:16.000
Where the gloves come up real high and you just wade in and then they throw kicks and punches.
01:57:23.000
And it's, look, at the highest levels, like when you're watching guys like Nicky Holskin and motherfuckers.
01:57:29.000
I mean, it's fun to watch at the highest level, no doubt.
01:57:32.000
But I think you should have the other elements.
01:57:35.000
I think if it's a stand-up fight, those other, if you can shin a guy across the head, okay, can you shin a guy across the head?
01:57:51.000
If you limit weapons in stand-up, then you get an unrealistic sense of the development of kickboxing technique, the development of MMA as far as stand-up striking.
01:58:00.000
Because the guys at the highest level, if you see a guy like a Kevin Ross or one of these super high-level kickboxer guys, and you see that becomes a standard, and then that standard goes like an Artem Levin or a Joe Schilling.
01:58:15.000
You see that like high standard of style of kickboxing and that becomes the guys who are fighting in MMA aspire to that level.
01:58:22.000
I can the higher the level is in kickboxing the higher the level is gonna be in MMA as well.
01:58:27.000
I think but as soon as you limit certain techniques like you say well they can't throw elbows they can't throw knees well then the then like you're gonna get a distorted perception of it in MMA because in MMA you can do those things.
01:58:43.000
If a guy was right here, they would say, it's because...
01:58:56.000
By taking away the clinch, you make guys fight more.
01:59:01.000
Because if you watch Muay Thai, a lot of it takes place in the clinch.
01:59:04.000
They throw nasty elbows to the body, a lot of sweeps.
01:59:11.000
Don't you think it's barbaric, too, like with the elbows?
01:59:18.000
Why is it in MMA? But you can not kick someone in the head.
01:59:26.000
Well, on the ground, there's that one dumb rule.
01:59:39.000
The rule, if you don't know what it is, you can't go down from, like, on the clock from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock with an elbow.
01:59:46.000
It's only because the people that were in the Athletic Commission had seen a guy break a brick with that.
01:59:50.000
They saw that and they're like, you can't hit someone in the head, they could die.
01:59:55.000
So you can't even do it to a thigh, which is hilarious.
01:59:58.000
Bro, did you see that homeboy, that boxer in Australia died?
02:00:32.000
Bobby Raczak's got this documentary on Gerald McClellan.
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At one point in time, he was one of the scariest boxers alive, and they were thinking that he would be next in line to fight Roy Jones.
02:00:57.000
They were looking at Roy Jones, and Roy Jones was coming up, and after he'd beaten James Toney, Gerald McClellan was like a destroyer, just smashing everybody.
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And back in those days, I think you had to weigh in the day of the fight.
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And when you do that, you risk your brain, man.
02:01:21.000
That Novitski guy was on here, and he was saying that they think it might take more than 70 hours.
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72 hours for your brain to completely recover from being dehydrated like that.
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And the crazy thing is most of the deaths in boxing are in the lower weight classes.
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They're not in the heavyweight where the guys punch the hardest.
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They think that's a significant factor in a lot of these guys dying and hemorrhaging, getting brain hemorrhages in the ring and dying.
02:01:49.000
They think dehydration is a significant factor.
02:02:11.000
And Nigel Benn got back in that ring and was fucking slinging.
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And I think that was when he went to his corner and he just stopped the fight.
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And Gerald took a knee, I think, and stayed down for the count of eight.
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Why the fuck would they make a documentary of this?
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And if you go back before that fight, he was the motherfucker.
02:03:08.000
You know, he was like one of those guys, like Gennady Golovkin or something like that.
02:03:11.000
Fuck, I bet he's set from boxing, though, financially.
02:03:19.000
I think Roy Jones has done some stuff to help, but apparently a lot of people think that that was what had fucked Roy Jones up early in his career and made him play safe.
02:03:40.000
Damn, Mousasi's pressuring him real early, man.
02:03:44.000
Oh, yeah, this one's not going to last very long.
02:03:49.000
Tagged him with a right hand on the ground and pound.
02:04:10.000
Yeah, if there's a knock on Uriah, it's his ground game.
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He's about to crucifix him here and go to work with elbows and they're going to stop at TKL. It's going to be too much for him.
02:04:50.000
Musashi said, why don't you fly all the way to Japan?
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His ground and pound's fucking ferocious and it's intelligent too.
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The amount of shots that he gets in versus attempted is very high.
02:05:19.000
He knows when he can tee off on you and when he can't.
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If you look at his percentage of landing ground and pound strikes, he's pretty high.
02:05:32.000
Well, his hands caught it and he doesn't have it.
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But he doesn't have the confidence to try to get up here.
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He just doesn't have the seat set to get up and use it.
02:06:02.000
He would have to have his head on the right-hand side for it to be more effective.
02:06:10.000
Tell you what, that's a long-ass flight back home to the U.S. from Japan.
02:06:16.000
That was a very nice mount escape, and this is some good swamp walking by...
02:06:20.000
I know you're at Holes working his jiu-jitsu with Jason Manley, who's a fucking monster.
02:06:30.000
At least he's attempting to get out of that position.
02:06:44.000
But he's going to give up his back and go for it.
02:06:51.000
He just said, well, I'll just wind up in your guard again.
02:06:57.000
That's not a good defense of the pass either by Uriah.
02:07:13.000
Because the way he did it from having no fucking control of the legs at all, that's classic.
02:07:21.000
Yeah, Jason Manley's really good at rolling Kimuras.
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The overcommitment for the Kimura, and then there's a spinning far side arm bar counter.
02:07:40.000
And Mousasi thought about spinning it on him, but he spun back on him.
02:07:52.000
If you're fighting Uriah, you want to take away his explosiveness.
02:08:21.000
He lulled him to sleep, and then he just snatched that thing.
02:08:31.000
How great is a fight when you want to see the...
02:08:44.000
You know, is it funny that they have this commercial, this fucking monster from the swamp, the Kraken or something, kills these dudes?
02:09:03.000
That's some scary Nightmare on Elm Street octopus movie that comes out of the water.
02:09:11.000
Dude, I saw some gnarly ass crocodiles in Costa Rica, man.
02:09:15.000
And if it's raining, oh shit, if it's raining, that giant killer octopus can fucking track you down up the mountains.
02:09:24.000
Do you ever see the octopus that climbs out of the fish tank and goes across the floor?
02:09:29.000
There's a million videos on YouTube of that shit.
02:09:32.000
It's incredible how many octopus videos there are on YouTube.
02:10:14.000
See, this is what I was saying before the fight, that this guy has moments where his movement...
02:10:31.000
He really did what you thought he would do in the first round.
02:10:37.000
Chael Sonnen took Anderson Silva down the first round.
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And I thought, man, can he do that for five rounds?
02:10:44.000
Could Uriah Hall have the explosiveness left in that second round after getting mauled in the first, too?
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Spinning back kick to the fucking mud and flying knee.
02:10:57.000
See, like I'm saying, man, what I'm saying about, look at that movement.
02:11:01.000
When you see, they're probably going to show it one more time, but look how there's no fat in that movement.
02:11:12.000
You can train to never be close while he's doing something.
02:11:28.000
I know Mousasi would probably say it's not, but he's not doing anything right there.
02:11:43.000
That's kind of what I meant when I'm talking about what he can do in moments.
02:11:48.000
Well, if Uriah gets off-season enough confidence from this, good luck the next guy fights.
02:11:56.000
I'm like, Brendan's making all the valid points here.
02:12:01.000
But meanwhile, he did threaten off his back in the first round with that armbar, so you know that he is working on his jiu-jitsu.
02:12:11.000
Because that was pretty slick, the way he set that up.
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These guys who can pull off those wild spinning techniques like from the Taekwondo days.
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Like once he gets the technique down, and he obviously has it down perfect, he can pull the trigger faster than almost anybody you're going to bring in to imitate him.
02:12:52.000
Especially after coming back for that first round, right?
02:12:59.000
Because I remember Gary Goodridge, back when he first started fighting, his first loss or his second loss, he would tap really quick.
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Just from the stinging of the punches on the ground, people would tap to the stinging.
02:13:09.000
But then by the end of his career, he was kickboxing K-1, taking...
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And he learned to survive and take those shots.
02:13:20.000
And Gary went on to fight some serious fucking contenders in K-1.
02:13:30.000
Yo, can we please see Uriah Hall and Leona Machida next, or what?
02:13:40.000
Bisping has a fight against Whitaker, and then Anderson Silva wants to fight him after that.
02:13:59.000
He got stopped by someone who was like a really good striker.
02:14:10.000
When Bisbee told me that, we were on set and he told me that, I went, that's an interesting fight for you.
02:14:14.000
Big, big, big, big, big fucking win for Uriah Hall.
02:14:21.000
Makes Joe Rogan look like he knows what the fuck he's talking about.
02:14:31.000
When he got more and more comfortable with takedown defense and grappling, and he's spending so much time with Weidman working on his wrestling, then you got to see it in the Ellenberger fight.
02:14:42.000
Well, they get confident because they're not worried if the fight goes down there anymore.
02:14:45.000
They're like, ah, if it does go down, then I'm all right.
02:14:48.000
Well, they know that they can defend, and they also know when they are standing, you can't fuck with Wonderboy, dude.
02:14:55.000
It's also a different style, because just like Uriah Hall, Uriah Hall has more of a karate style than he does a Thai style.
02:15:07.000
When he throws round kicks, he throws them without the windup, so they land quicker.
02:15:14.000
A lot of the Thai guys, they're doing these steps and everything's coming round.
02:15:18.000
They're chopping, but everything's coming round.
02:15:22.000
If you don't train with a guy like that, you don't know those movements.
02:15:26.000
You don't know, oh, if I'm standing this close to him, he can jump, spinning back, kick me in the face quicker than I can get away from him.
02:15:34.000
When Machida first came on, guys were like, what the fuck?
02:15:43.000
Machida would throw round kicks and knees and punches, and he did that jumping front kick to Randy.
02:15:48.000
I'm saying at the time, people haven't seen it.
02:15:52.000
They couldn't get the distance and they're getting knocked out.
02:15:55.000
Now with Uriah, I think Gegard thought he was safe and ate a fucking heel to the face.
02:15:59.000
Dude, I mean, that kind of speed from that distance and the way he does it with no wind-up, man.
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He's a great athlete, but it's also intelligent preparation.
02:16:12.000
Because to train someone to throw those things on a trigger like that with no wind-up at all, that's the ultimate goal.
02:16:19.000
It's to have an athlete who's a really good athlete who also listens and trains intelligently to the point where there's no wind-up.
02:16:30.000
Eddie, you could have made your money there, brother.
02:16:42.000
Like, Tiger Shulman was like, blam, look at that.
02:16:48.000
I think Musashi might have thought it was a wheel kick.
02:16:51.000
Instead, he hit him with that jump-spinning back kick to the face.
02:17:01.000
I think this is how people expected you had a fight coming off the Ultimate Fighter.
02:17:04.000
Remember when he lost that one fight, there was a little bit of letdown, and then he's just doing work now.
02:17:10.000
If the fucking fight went the way the first round went, you wouldn't be saying this, which is what's amazing.
02:17:26.000
He's gonna learn from that first round, too, that that could happen to him in the grappling.
02:17:29.000
So he's gonna have to concentrate on his grappling even more.
02:17:31.000
He's gonna have to bring it up to another level.
02:17:53.000
You know, you wonder what Gustafson can do on the feet.
02:18:04.000
Does he try to take DC down the way he tries to take John down?
02:18:07.000
Does he try to, you know, like to let him know really early on, hey, I can take you down too?
02:18:12.000
Does he try to do what Jones did at DC? He ain't taking DC down.
02:18:17.000
You would say that, but you wouldn't think that he would take Jones down either.
02:18:25.000
But the word was that John did not take the Gustafson fight very seriously in training.
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Whether or not that would have played a factor, whether or not Gustafson would have been able to take him down anyway, we don't know.
02:18:40.000
I feel like this fight's not getting enough hype.
02:18:57.000
I mean, and John is just so, everybody knows he's so good.
02:19:02.000
And that's also what's tragic about it, you know?
02:19:09.000
Jesus Christ, look at Josh Barnett, the triathlon runner.
02:19:18.000
Josh Barnett looks leaner than I've ever seen him.
02:19:35.000
I'm going to say 240. 245. I'll say 48. 248. Can we find out?
02:19:48.000
Yeah, the problem is a lot of times when I read these things off at the fights, they have a tail of the tape.
02:20:00.000
But what I'm saying is for heavyweights, the only way you hear it is if, like, Bruce Buffer's saying it correctly.
02:20:07.000
39. Because, like, sometimes on my sheet that I'll get, like, say, you know, I get a sheet from the UFC that shows a fighter's record, and I'll get the weight that they used to weigh in other fights.
02:20:33.000
He can't be 269, otherwise he got penalized, right?
02:20:36.000
Must have had to either give up 20% of his purse or lose the weight.
02:20:47.000
Dude, that Uriah Hall fight I still can't get over.
02:20:53.000
He can do some shit, man, that not a lot of guys can do.
02:20:59.000
I knew a lot of guys like that from my Taekwondo days.
02:21:02.000
There was guys that just had this ability to explode with lightning fast spinning techniques that if you weren't ready for it, dude, you got lit up.
02:21:13.000
Uh, fuckin' Rothwell and Stipe are fighting real soon, right?
02:21:28.000
He was, like, 6'3", maybe, somewhere around then.
02:21:32.000
But his legs were, like, way longer than he was tall.
02:21:36.000
He had legs that were perfectly designed for kicking you.
02:21:39.000
And this guy, when we talk about talented dudes, physically talented dudes who could throw kicks that no one saw coming, I used to watch this guy kick the bag and I would just be marveled.
02:21:53.000
I couldn't believe what he could do with his legs.
02:21:56.000
He would throw these front leg sidekicks that would just bend this bag in half.
02:22:01.000
Larry was probably like, 220 natural pounds, 6'3 lean, didn't lift any weights.
02:22:09.000
Like, all of his weight, I mean, it might not have been even that heavy.
02:22:13.000
It might have been like 200 pounds now that I think about it.
02:22:17.000
Like, it was all just throwing kicks and running up hills and shit like that.
02:22:20.000
But he would kick the bag and you just go, what the fuck, man?
02:22:27.000
And ever since that, I was like, how come I haven't seen a guy who can move like that in MMA? And then you start slowly seeing like Barboza can do it.
02:22:36.000
They can move like that with that kind of speed and their spins.
02:22:40.000
Barboza has the quickest kicks I've ever seen in my life.
02:22:48.000
I was telling Michael Jai White, you know who he is?
02:22:54.000
I was just telling him about Joe Rogan's turning sidekicks and all the stories and all that shit.
02:23:06.000
And I'm telling him about Joe Rogan's turning sidekicks, how amazing it is.
02:23:15.000
After all this shit I talk about, Joe, at Legends, where 10th Planet headquarters used to be, he fucking throws one turning sidekick, breaks the bag, the chain, off the ceiling.
02:23:28.000
I'm like, oh shit, Chris Riley's gonna be fucking pissed.
02:23:36.000
And then we just left it on the ground as a ground and pound bag.
02:23:40.000
But I couldn't say anything about Joe Rogan anymore.
02:24:02.000
They weren't very good at keeping those bags on the ceiling.
02:24:14.000
I was talking about the video with GSP and going, fuck.
02:24:17.000
Remember, that was a center bag, and the GSP bag was a bag to the far right?
02:24:21.000
A couple people broke that bag, but you gotta be a motherfucker to break that bag.
02:24:41.000
When you watch Michael Jai White in movies, watch him do all that stuff in movies, that guy can do that shit for real.
02:24:51.000
It's the craziest thing, because I coordinated some fights for Never Back Down 2. Some of his fights.
02:24:59.000
And if you watch Never Back Down 2, dude, he's twistering and crotch-ripping people.
02:25:05.000
I forgot when you guys went down there for that.
02:25:09.000
How quickly and on the spot those fights get put together.
02:25:15.000
And we're like, okay, this next fight we need to...
02:25:17.000
We have like a basic idea that we go over like three times and we need to start filming.
02:25:42.000
When a dude punches as hard as Roy does, you fucking never know, man.
02:25:45.000
I just think Barnett's gonna close the distance, drag him to the mat, and do work.
02:25:50.000
Michael Jai White is a black belt in Kyokushin.
02:25:55.000
You know, Jai White has done that thing where you have to spar, like, multiple people in a day.
02:25:59.000
He's done those crazy Kyokushin competitions where, you know, like, to get your black belt or something like that, they make you fight, like, fucking ten different dudes.
02:26:15.000
He was so big and so fast and so strong, I'm sure there was no problem for him.
02:26:22.000
It's a weird style, too, because they punch full blast to the body, and then they kick full blast to the head, and they stand right in front of each other, and they don't wear any pads.
02:26:32.000
So there's a lot of kicks coming out of nowhere.
02:26:39.000
Well, a lot of those guys went off into kickboxing.
02:26:43.000
A lot of those guys in the early days of kickboxing, a lot of those guys were kyokushin guys that learned how to punch.
02:26:49.000
Learned how to punch the face, learned how to box, you know?
02:26:53.000
They would throw kicks from like real weird angles because they would stand like Rock'em Sock'em Robot style right in front of each other sometimes and then throw those chopping...
02:27:04.000
Pretty sure Fetosa's first style was kyokushin.
02:27:08.000
A lot of those guys would throw that Brazilian kick.
02:27:12.000
Who was the Brazilian in K1 who was throwing axe kicks?
02:27:27.000
We haven't really seen axe kicks land in MMA yet, have we?
02:28:15.000
He just signed with World Series of Fighting, too, play-by-play.
02:28:22.000
Until Conor McGregor came along, I said he was the greatest shit-talker of all time.
02:28:38.000
He's been hanging out with Victor Webster too much.
02:28:40.000
Hasn't he been doing a lot of movies and stuff?
02:28:44.000
He's been doing some wrestling stuff in Japan, like the fake wrestling.
02:29:07.000
He probably took a giant shit and he came in and weighed himself again and he was 261. The YouTube video at the way end is 261. Okay.
02:29:31.000
Well, think about how good he is as an announcer.
02:29:34.000
Yeah, but there's a big difference between ring announcer and holding down a show.
02:29:39.000
I've seen him at restaurants in fucking Venice.
02:29:50.000
Coming back from Abu Dhabi, he hooked my ass up, man.
02:29:56.000
Bruce Buffer, man, it's a long story, but he got me.
02:30:00.000
He used all his miles to get me business class.
02:30:09.000
I needed like 50,000 miles or something to do that shit.
02:30:37.000
But Sao Paulo is a direct flight from LA, so I just went that way.
02:30:40.000
Dude, I feel like these guys have to fight each other before they retire, right?
02:30:49.000
Barnett thinks that he just has way too many tools and he fights too smart.
02:30:53.000
He thinks that Roy is just too one-dimensional.
02:30:56.000
And it's interesting that his approach to this fight was to get lean and to watch his diet.
02:31:01.000
Whereas, you know, that's like counter, completely counter to how Roy behaves.
02:31:11.000
There's two fucking pure fighters, two vets, man.
02:31:30.000
He had a giant victory over Noguera, which was crazy huge.
02:31:37.000
I never want Nog to fight ever again after that.
02:31:40.000
But so then he lost to DC, Frank Mir, beat Nog, got knocked out by Mark Hunt, and now he's fighting this.
02:31:47.000
Yeah, the Mark Hunt one exposed like some holes in his striking when, you know, Mark Hunt is just so slick and experienced.
02:31:56.000
You got to be always careful of that shit from Roy.
02:32:01.000
It's amazing that he gets that entire mullet and that little hairball.
02:32:04.000
Eddie Bravo, if you're $2,000 in the hole, you might have to rub his feet or something.
02:32:45.000
If Josh Barnett gets tapped here, you know how goddamn crazy that would be.
02:32:56.000
How much time does Josh spend on his back as a catch wrestler?
02:33:01.000
He went for an armbar against Ted Williams, you know, 15 years ago.
02:33:15.000
You always talk about how good the guard is, how important the guard is.
02:33:20.000
Ted Williams was like, why don't you try doing the guard on me?
02:33:24.000
A grappling magazine, he had an interview and it said, the guard is dead.
02:33:32.000
He needs a row at Verdum and then re-avise that statement.
02:33:37.000
Revising statements from 15 years ago, a lot of people had some ideas about what didn't work.
02:33:42.000
Who the fuck thought spinning kicks worked back then?
02:33:43.000
I thought head kicks would never work, and just like most people, most UFC fans, head kicks only worked in movies.
02:33:50.000
And Ted Williams was right when he saw the state of the guard that was in Gladiator Combat.
02:33:56.000
You weren't seeing, like, the best of the best.
02:33:59.000
Well, you'd have to be, like, almost at the jiu-jitsu competitions or in the labs.
02:34:24.000
Dude, you can't come straight in like that against fucking Roy.
02:34:33.000
Josh, you can get in trouble with this right hand.
02:34:42.000
Walked away KO. Josh Barnett is, like, really pouring it on.
02:34:49.000
That might have been his plan, though, in this fight.
02:34:51.000
To come in so lean, just really pour the pace on him.
02:34:55.000
It makes sense if you want to make a run for him.
02:35:06.000
Look at that sneaky uppercut Barnett's been throwing, too.
02:35:10.000
If you're Josh and you want to make a run at the title, you gotta have cardio, man.
02:35:17.000
A loss like that Travis Brown fight, this guy's a warrior.
02:35:28.000
Yeah, well, that Travis had done the thumb across the neck thing, his thing.
02:35:33.000
He thought that was super disrespectful, and he said he wasn't up for that fight.
02:35:38.000
I've heard all sorts of stories about Barnett's camp, that fight.
02:35:41.000
We have a mutual training partner, and he said Barnett's camp was pure shit, so he's super upset about that fight.
02:35:48.000
When a guy's been fighting for that long, it's probably hard to get up like that for every camp.
02:36:05.000
He's trying for that straight arm bar from his back.
02:36:33.000
But Mark Lehman, he did train with Mark Lehman forever.
02:36:38.000
Good fucking ground and pound from the half guard.
02:36:42.000
Interesting that he's able to take Barnett down.
02:36:45.000
Do you think that being leaner, losing weight makes you a little more vulnerable to takedowns?
02:36:52.000
Because the guy doesn't have to throw as much weight around?
02:36:59.000
Well, that's why there's weight divisions in wrestling.
02:37:01.000
Bigger guys can take little guys down easy, and little guys can take bigger guys down easy.
02:37:08.000
The question is like how much of Barnett's weight loss is like he's lost some fat clearly, right?
02:37:17.000
Probably 15. He was 264. He used to be like 264. He lost 25 pounds.
02:37:24.000
25. He was always 265. Let's find out what he weighed in for the Travis Brown fight.
02:37:29.000
He was actually more than 265. He was more like...
02:37:33.000
Yeah, he's about 265. So he lost some fat, right?
02:37:43.000
So I'm not that shocked that he's being taken down here.
02:38:04.000
Dude, Roy Nelson does not look like he's in bad shape here.
02:38:25.000
Well, hey, I was about to go even gayer because I would say he has some juicy thighs but a flat ass.
02:38:32.000
I remember hanging out with Roy Nelson years and years ago.
02:38:42.000
Dude, we had, like, breakfast with him at the hotel in that little cafe before he ever had an MMA fight.
02:38:52.000
Yeah, he was a dude who was really good at jiu-jitsu.
02:39:02.000
248. 248. So he wasn't that much heavier for that fight.
02:39:05.000
He was only 9 pounds heavier for his Travis Brown fight.
02:39:12.000
But he definitely hasn't lost 25 pounds, according to that weigh-in, at least.
02:39:21.000
So if Roy's taking him down, I really don't think that that's the factor.
02:39:25.000
I think it's just Roy's catching him in transitions.
02:39:34.000
Barnett also looks like he's been turning it on.
02:39:56.000
Yeah, and he's waiting for Roy to get tired before he pours it on, too.
02:40:01.000
Fighting Crafty in the beginning part of the round, and then he hits around three minutes in, he starts really turning it off.
02:40:08.000
Well, he also knows Roy, you know, could do- Oh, look at that!
02:40:11.000
Roy could do a lot of damage, but- He's trying to touch the ground.
02:40:22.000
Bro, let's say Roy gets down to 220. Is he going to be the same power puncher, or does that right hand go away?
02:40:32.000
You don't know until he tries it, and he's never tried it.
02:40:51.000
Dude, you know when Josh would have Stitch corner on him, which this hurts him for sure not having Stitch because he used to only fight with Stitch.
02:40:57.000
Before he went in the lockdown, he'd tell Stitch, let me die in there.
02:41:11.000
I remember thinking, god damn, that's gangster.
02:41:31.000
It's going to be interesting if this thing goes all five.
02:41:46.000
You think Josh is mad that Reebok didn't make it speedo Reebok?
02:41:53.000
Josh used to always fight in those fucking undies.
02:42:13.000
Unless he's playing possum and he throws a head kick.
02:42:25.000
Especially in the UFC. That was some straight panda bear shit, man.
02:42:32.000
He had a shirt apparel line back when he was like a purple belt in jiu-jitsu, 808 or something like that.
02:42:39.000
And that was like, he was going to make his money that way with his shirt.
02:42:48.000
He had a really good brand of rash guards that was his.
02:42:54.000
I think that's it because I used to love his shit.
02:43:04.000
But he had rash guards with like a really good material that like wicked sweat away from you.
02:43:19.000
And the idea, I think, was that it was really good for grappling because it wouldn't tear as easy as a regular rash guard, which is meant for surfing.
02:43:27.000
Yeah, he's always been kind of the smart guy doing different shit.
02:43:43.000
Or Roy hits him with one of those fucking head kicks.
02:43:49.000
If Roy landed that head kick and Barnett toes curled.
02:44:06.000
It's almost like Roy has to empty the gas tank early because he's got to try to hurt Josh while he can, too.
02:44:14.000
He keeps getting them down like this with a body lock, and then he trips them.
02:44:19.000
Barnett's not even attempting to take him down.
02:44:25.000
Well, I think once Roy got on top of him, too, in that first round, that was no fun.
02:44:34.000
Although we don't see it very often in his fights.
02:44:43.000
I'm more impressed with Barnett's stand-up, how far it's come along.
02:44:46.000
In the clinch, you can tell he's working on Muay Thai.
02:44:56.000
Are you four against male UFC fighters wearing rash guards?
02:45:17.000
I mean, I would think rash guards would mean like a long sleeve.
02:45:23.000
Any time a fighter is going to fight some guy that's known for jujitsu, if he doesn't grease up, nobody's checking.
02:45:45.000
You can't do anything if they give you a mineral oil bath the night before and then they wash you and wipe you down.
02:45:53.000
The only way to really do it would be like after a fight, there'd be a guy that's assigned to that.
02:45:57.000
He takes a swab and does it like that across your back.
02:46:05.000
People are always complaining that people are increasing.
02:46:07.000
Well, if you're going to fight a guy who's a nasty submission guy, and you know that you can take a mineral oil bath the night before and take a shower and soap up the day after, and it will still have an effect that won't be measurable, because people are smoother and slicker after they do that, even after they take a shower.
02:46:25.000
When you put Vaseline on fighters' eyes, that shit gets all over the body because the guys touch the face.
02:46:35.000
But we remember when Anderson Silva wiped it off his face and wiped it on his shoulders and his chest.
02:46:40.000
Clay Guida got in trouble because his brother would slap it on him.
02:46:45.000
All I'm saying is I think they should let fighters wear Reebok rash guards.
02:46:52.000
I don't think they'd make any more money than they're making with these shorts.
02:46:54.000
We know the fighters aren't going to make money.
02:46:59.000
Do you remember when Pat Miletic fought Carlos Newton and Jeremy Horn?
02:47:06.000
I think it was that fight where he put Vaseline on Pat's neck.
02:47:18.000
I don't know who fucked up, but there was somehow...
02:47:21.000
Maybe Jeremy thought that Pat said put it on my neck.
02:47:30.000
Dude, if he gets him down with another single leg...
02:47:40.000
But is it more exhausting than standing up and dealing with the barrage of strikes that Josh keeps putting on him?
02:47:55.000
Well, aren't the UFC fighters all tested randomly now?
02:48:00.000
But September 30th, you have to fill out this sheet where you've got to give them your location, your whereabouts, so they can come get you anytime.
02:48:13.000
I wonder how they're getting tested after this fight.
02:48:15.000
Do you think fighters are not doing roids anymore because of this?
02:48:18.000
You think they're scared and they're like, what are they doing?
02:48:21.000
What do you think they're doing to get around these new testing schedules?
02:48:29.000
Some of them for sure are going to stop doing it.
02:48:36.000
He said they figured out a way to make testosterone from animals that's undetectable.
02:48:50.000
Your boy also was talking about micro-dosing, too, right?
02:49:03.000
Yeah, so he was talking about microdosing, but he was also talking about a new form of testosterone that they've been able to do, that they make out of animals.
02:49:12.000
I guess the test before could show that it didn't come from an animal, that it came from some plant.
02:49:30.000
They had that band, Europe, singing the final countdown.
02:49:36.000
I can just imagine, like, their manager calling them and saying, we got some good news and some bad news.
02:49:41.000
The good news is we got to a national commercial.
02:49:45.000
The bad news is they're going to make fun of you.
02:49:52.000
The manager, they don't tell them until they get there.
02:49:54.000
And then they're in the middle of the commercial shoot and they kind of figured it out.
02:50:11.000
This is actually fought at a pretty fucking good pace.
02:50:36.000
But when you think about the first round, didn't Barnett do way more damage on the feet than Roy did on the ground?
02:50:42.000
Right, but didn't Barnett do more damage on the feet than Roy did when they were on the ground?
02:51:03.000
Damn, if he didn't decide to go for it right there, he would've been on his back.
02:51:14.000
He's in better shape in this fight than I've seen him in a long period of time.
02:51:17.000
How do you feel about someone stomping on your feet?
02:51:34.000
Whoever figured out how to do that shit, it was genius.
02:51:36.000
I know, I put that online and that's all Mexicans kept saying.
02:51:41.000
We invented a lot of shit that we didn't get credit for.
02:51:54.000
Well, it's just because we're so close to Mexico.
02:52:16.000
If Barnett took him down right now, this thing would be over.
02:52:20.000
Jesus, but he's battering with these fucking punches.
02:52:29.000
He doesn't know what's coming, whether it's an elbow or an uppercut.
02:52:37.000
He's doing such a professional job of mixing up his technique.
02:53:17.000
Yeah, he'll try to roll for a leg if he got his leg in between them.
02:53:20.000
But if he gets his leg in between them, he will drop and roll.
02:53:48.000
Round five is going to end right at three hours.
02:53:50.000
Okay, well, we'll restart it in between rounds.
02:53:57.000
What if something crazy happens and we don't have it on film?
02:54:03.000
Yeah, because we're at three hours, because the fight is going over.
02:54:07.000
No one thought that the fights would go that long.
02:54:14.000
But all the fights went to decision except for Uriah, though.
02:54:24.000
I like Josh's southpaw style, too, with that fucking left kick he keeps throwing.
02:54:43.000
It's hard to pull off a technique, a counter-technique, when you've got someone's head up your jaw.
02:54:47.000
Both these guys have been in there with just the best of the best.
02:54:50.000
Think about Roy's fights in the UFC. Yeah, but if you think about experience-wise, wouldn't you give Barnett the edge seeing all the fights he had in Pride?
02:54:59.000
The only one missing from his resume was Fedor in Pride.
02:55:28.000
Oh, bro, you know who Roy fought after he got knocked out by Hunt?
02:55:37.000
And over him had to stay the fuck away from him.
02:55:48.000
Wouldn't you want to see Overeem versus Barnett?
02:56:06.000
There's a bunch of good fights in the heavyweight division.
02:56:14.000
JDS and Overeem is a great fight, though, and there's been a lot of shit-talking over the years.
02:56:19.000
Yeah, I wonder, I mean, it's a good time because Overeem's got some confidence now.
02:56:26.000
Well, I think so because JDS has had some trouble.
02:56:34.000
I think it's a good time for Overeem, it's a bad time for JDS. That's what I mean.
02:56:38.000
And I think that if it was earlier, it would have been a good time for JDS and a bad time for Overeem.
02:56:47.000
So I think right now, though, is the closest it's been.
02:56:52.000
I think I would have given Overeem an edge if you would have the Overeem that fought Brock.
02:57:03.000
They would have called me and I'm like, no, I'm good, man.
02:57:12.000
That ovary, the 265-pound shredded ovary, regardless of substances that enhance that position, that motherfucker was terrifying.
02:57:28.000
Bro, I like him over Junior Dos Santos and Kane at the same time.
02:57:36.000
I don't know if he would be able to do that to Kane in that fight.
02:57:40.000
You gotta think, first of all, we're looking at the results, but we're not thinking about the players because Josh...
02:57:45.000
I mean, Brock Lesnar was coming off a stomach surgery.
02:57:51.000
Oberyn was touching him and just, fuck, it looked like it hurt.
02:58:04.000
But we don't know how much of that fight was Overeem and how much of it was Brock Lesnar really shouldn't have been fighting.
02:58:10.000
What MMA legend, UFC legend, did Valentine Overeem beat?
02:58:28.000
But I guess he never fought in the UFC. He also beat Ray Cepho.
02:58:32.000
Which is old school, but he got him in a neck crank.
02:58:35.000
But Ray's more of a K-1 legend than he is a UFC legend, right?
02:58:41.000
I like how you were thinking about it when he said it.
02:58:53.000
Ensign kicked Randy with some crazy hard kicks off of his side.
02:58:58.000
Like he was lying on his side, almost like a semi butt scoot.
02:59:05.000
Hoyce was throwing off his back some serious kicks to Sakuraba's knee.
02:59:13.000
Roy in the fucking fifth and final round takes him down.
02:59:14.000
He does have a Kimura, but he doesn't have the legs, right?
02:59:25.000
But Ensign was on his side throwing roundhouse kicks to the leg.
02:59:32.000
I remember thinking, whoa, I didn't know you could throw kicks like that from your side.
02:59:36.000
That's the first time I've ever seen a guy do that.
02:59:43.000
How about Randy Couture said if Beltor would have signed Fedor, he'd want to still fight him.
02:59:50.000
I thought he said he was interested in that fight.
02:59:52.000
Well, if he's interested, we don't know who Fedor is fighting in Japan.
02:59:56.000
If Japan really wants to make some money, that's the fight.
03:00:08.000
Let's make 50 the new 40. Bro, what if it's Kimbo Slice?
03:00:12.000
Let me make sure that Randy Couture is 52. Could you look that up?
03:00:34.000
But if Fedor comes back and he's at his old skill level, that's a terrible mismatch.
03:00:42.000
Well, if they're letting them fight in Japan, and if Japan doesn't have any...
03:01:21.000
That's what you expect out of those fucking two.
03:01:45.000
Unquestionably, Josh Barnett looked as good as he's ever looked.
03:01:53.000
This is the best Roy's look, too, in a long time.
03:01:55.000
Roy was way more prepared than his body would let you think.
03:02:00.000
I mean, he obviously went five hard fucking rounds.
03:02:06.000
You know, he still had power in the fifth and final round.
03:02:16.000
I think he ate some hard fucking kicks to his arms, too, man.
03:02:20.000
So a guy like Roy, he's won one in his last five.
03:02:36.000
Honestly, what he needs to do is what Josh just showed.
03:02:44.000
I mean, look how much better Josh looked with a dietician.
03:02:49.000
It's a guy who's prescribed his diet for him, who's monitoring his diet for him.
03:02:55.000
Five hard rounds against a bomber like Roy Nelson.
03:03:02.000
And Josh looked great in the fifth and final round.
03:03:10.000
But now let's imagine if Roy had done the same thing that Josh did.
03:03:16.000
If Roy had done the same thing that Josh did as far as monitoring his diet, but could still hit that fucking hard, lost the body fat, had more gas in his tank, was able to pour it on more, was able to counter more off the cage.
03:03:27.000
The difference in this really wasn't Roy's striking, was it?
03:03:31.000
So let's say he loses weight, so he's taking pitches down.
03:03:33.000
And not losing the position because of scrambles.
03:03:39.000
If he got in tremendous shape, let's say he got down to 185. Can you imagine how good his jiu-jitsu would look?
03:04:10.000
If he loses 50 pounds, he's 210. If he loses 210, he's Chris Weidman.
03:04:36.000
Let me see if he says some crazy pro wrestling shit.
03:04:40.000
Because sometimes he says crazy pro wrestling shit.
03:04:49.000
After the Frank Muir fight, he hoisted me up in the air.
03:05:35.000
I mean, I'm not gonna hang out with him, but for sure.
03:05:50.000
As smart and as well-read and as nuanced in his thinking as anybody I know.
03:05:56.000
And he's a professional fighter at the highest level.
03:06:21.000
It would be one thing if I didn't do this for a living.
03:06:44.000
Hey, you know they're talking about having Rampage fight Rumble?
03:07:07.000
There was photos of him, I think on Instagram or something like that, of him in a sling.
03:07:15.000
But if Shogun did have shoulder surgery, I don't know what surgery he had or why.
03:07:22.000
Because I'm assuming it was a shoulder thing because he had his arm in a sling.
03:07:26.000
It could have been something as simple as bone spurs pulled out of his elbow, which is a quick turnaround.
03:07:58.000
Well, now if Shogun is not going to be able to fight until 2016, I wonder what they'll do.
03:08:06.000
But most of the fights up until December are already accounted for anyway.
03:08:15.000
Rumble versus Rampage would be crazy for as long as it lasted.
03:08:35.000
That Gustafson fight scared the fucking shit out of me.
03:08:37.000
Well, then he knocked fucking Homeboy to next week.
03:08:45.000
I think he's coming off of that Daniel Cormier loss.
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He's upset with himself and training even harder, even more focused.
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He's Instagramming a whole shitload of pictures of his dog.
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It proves that he's an emotional person and his heart is in the right place.
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You know what bothers me when guys post quotes all the time?
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I had to stop following a friend because he kept posting quotes.
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You know who's got a funny bit about, like, motivational dudes online?
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And he's got, like, this really funny bit about guys are telling, like, I think he says, like, hashtag He hates beast mode stuff.
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Someone sent me these beast mode shoes and he wrote on there like, those fucking suck.
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It was like, why don't you go fuck yourself with those beast mode shoes?
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A lot of comedians say that, like, hashtag suck it, hashtag...
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It's like a really funny thing that people are doing these days.
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I can see my followers rise, but when I post anything like anti-vaccine or any kind of...
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You can try to watch a video of Tower 7 go down in free fall speed and you're going to tell me that it burned.
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I'd be getting lucrative t-shirts now available at higherprimate.com.
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November 12th, Live Fire and the Kid, Tempe, Arizona.
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And there's one that sold out in Ontario on October 1st, and I might be a part of that motherfucker.
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I'm in 10th Planet Indianapolis this Saturday, and I just uploaded EBI 4 for free on YouTube.
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Eddie Bravo Invitational 4, in its entirety, free on YouTube.
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Thanks, everybody, for tuning in to these things, and thanks for indulging us in this ridiculousness, and we'll see you soon, next week, with some real podcasts.