The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #15 with Brendan Schaub

00:00:01.000 I might do a show with Diaz in New York.

00:00:05.000 Boom!

00:00:06.000 Live?

00:00:09.000 Jamie's giving me the not sure look.

00:00:11.000 Yes!

00:00:12.000 You and Joey Diaz talking about doing a show in New York?

00:00:15.000 Maybe, man.

00:00:16.000 Damn.

00:00:17.000 Maybe, brother.

00:00:18.000 Oh, okay.

00:00:18.000 You don't want to talk about it?

00:00:18.000 Yeah, no.

00:00:19.000 You need to find one here.

00:00:20.000 I got a Joey Diaz story.

00:00:21.000 We're going to do a show with me and Joey and Yoel motherfucking Romero.

00:00:25.000 And he's going to talk to him if he gets confused in Spanish.

00:00:29.000 That's going to be amazing.

00:00:30.000 Because Joey's from Cuba.

00:00:31.000 Dude, are you kidding me?

00:00:32.000 So Joey Diaz is going to translate?

00:00:34.000 It's totally Joey's idea.

00:00:35.000 Joey says, bro, I've been talking to him.

00:00:38.000 I love this fucking guy.

00:00:39.000 We'd have an amazing podcast.

00:00:40.000 You and me, you throwing the questions at him.

00:00:43.000 If shit gets weird, I'll come to him in Spanish.

00:00:45.000 We'll understand each other better.

00:00:46.000 It's a brilliant idea.

00:00:47.000 This is what Joey said.

00:00:48.000 He said, he goes, tell him that I want to be on his podcast because he has love for Cuba.

00:00:54.000 He understands Cuban love.

00:00:56.000 Love it.

00:00:57.000 I was like, all that shit that he was doing to Luke Rockhold after he knocked him out, it's like, that's intense.

00:01:02.000 Bro, back up.

00:01:03.000 That's intense.

00:01:03.000 Give me a few minutes, you just knocked me into freaking...

00:01:06.000 That's intense.

00:01:07.000 Give me a fucking second to get my wits about me and then kiss me on the lips or whatever the fuck you want to do it.

00:01:14.000 His ability to just be calm and then explode is very terrifying.

00:01:19.000 It's only helped by him telling you he loves you.

00:01:24.000 He's more terrifying than ever.

00:01:26.000 It's scary because he's such a nice guy outside.

00:01:28.000 Dude, he is the nicest guy.

00:01:30.000 He's very friendly.

00:01:32.000 Remember the champ, though, was like, oh yeah, that's what you do.

00:01:34.000 Whitaker, you know, Whitaker's a monster, man.

00:01:36.000 You gotta go back to that Tim Kennedy fight, though, man.

00:01:40.000 Talking about Stoolgate?

00:01:40.000 Yeah, that Tim Kennedy fight was crazy.

00:01:43.000 It was like, look, I know what you're doing is very slick.

00:01:47.000 This is very smart.

00:01:48.000 I mean, this is Angelo Dundee did that to Muhammad Ali when he fought Henry Cooper in London.

00:01:53.000 He got cracked with a left hook.

00:01:55.000 Henry Cooper dropped him.

00:01:56.000 He was in real trouble.

00:01:57.000 They cut the glove, baby.

00:01:59.000 Suspect.

00:01:59.000 Cut that glove, baby.

00:02:00.000 We gotta get the other pair.

00:02:02.000 Oh, it's out there in the dressing room.

00:02:03.000 Be right back.

00:02:04.000 It's all fair and loving more, my man.

00:02:06.000 Yeah, it ain't the right way to do it, but you gotta realize that this guy had gone through the whole amateur wrestling system as a representative of Cuba.

00:02:15.000 Matt Brown and I did a podcast last week, and Matt Brown spent...

00:02:19.000 Love Matt.

00:02:19.000 He's a great guy and fascinating dude, man.

00:02:22.000 Intense, smart motherfucker.

00:02:24.000 Matt died.

00:02:25.000 People get a chance to...

00:02:26.000 He did.

00:02:26.000 He died, and they brought him back.

00:02:28.000 Matt died.

00:02:29.000 Yeah.

00:02:29.000 You know, we talked about that.

00:02:31.000 I was like, you and Court McGee both have this, like, creepy thing to you.

00:02:34.000 Because you both crossed over to the other side, and you don't give a fuck.

00:02:37.000 And how was it?

00:02:38.000 Woo!

00:02:39.000 Both guys, man.

00:02:39.000 You gotta beat them.

00:02:40.000 They don't beat each other.

00:02:41.000 You literally have to take them out.

00:02:43.000 Or they don't beat themselves, rather.

00:02:44.000 Yeah.

00:02:44.000 I mean, Matt Brown ain't beating himself.

00:02:45.000 Like, he's a human.

00:02:46.000 What's he doing now?

00:02:47.000 He is going to fight Carlos Condit.

00:02:50.000 Oh, that's right.

00:02:51.000 He's coming back for a while.

00:02:52.000 He ended on that dope-ass knockout of Diego with the elbow.

00:02:57.000 Maybe behind the air, but all's fair.

00:02:59.000 A little bit.

00:03:00.000 I thought he was going to ride off to the sunset, and now he's fighting Carlos Condit.

00:03:03.000 So he was explaining about his camp that he did in Cuba.

00:03:05.000 It's an amazing story.

00:03:07.000 Amazing.

00:03:07.000 He spent like six weeks in Cuba.

00:03:08.000 Matt Brown?

00:03:09.000 Yes.

00:03:09.000 His white ass was in Cuba?

00:03:11.000 His white ass was in Cuba with the wrestling team for six fucking weeks for one of the camps for one of his fights.

00:03:16.000 He boxed in Cuba against Cuban boxers and he wrestled in Cuba.

00:03:20.000 That's a tough go.

00:03:20.000 And he lived in a Cuban fighter's house.

00:03:23.000 They had him there and they fed him.

00:03:24.000 How long ago?

00:03:25.000 Which fight was it that he said?

00:03:27.000 Try to remember which fight.

00:03:28.000 If you pull up his record, it was fairly recently.

00:03:34.000 He's a bad motherfucker, dude.

00:03:37.000 He's just trying to get better, man.

00:03:39.000 He's just trying to get better, and that's what he figured was the move.

00:03:42.000 He has one more left, though, yeah?

00:03:44.000 Let's be real here.

00:03:46.000 He's on the Masters Tour.

00:03:48.000 He knows I love him.

00:03:49.000 He's on the Masters Tour.

00:03:50.000 I think he said it was for the Tim Means fight.

00:03:53.000 I'm pretty sure he said it was the Tim Means fight.

00:03:56.000 Well then after that, let's get back to Cuba.

00:04:01.000 So rude.

00:04:02.000 So rude.

00:04:04.000 I'm just saying.

00:04:05.000 But look, man, he fought Damien Maia, okay, who is the constrictor of all constrictors.

00:04:10.000 Nightmare.

00:04:10.000 If Damien Maia can get you to the ground, I don't think, most people don't understand what that kind of jiu-jitsu feels like.

00:04:17.000 I've rolled with a few guys that were my size that just went through me.

00:04:24.000 Jake Shields is what I talk about him all the time.

00:04:27.000 Wrestling with him is like wrestling with a chimp.

00:04:29.000 Carl Parisian, same thing.

00:04:30.000 It's like holding on to a chimp.

00:04:32.000 Like, good luck, bitch.

00:04:32.000 You might look like me.

00:04:34.000 It's a nightmare.

00:04:34.000 You know, it's like you see a guy, like maybe he does CrossFit, you're like, oh, that guy looks fucking strong.

00:04:38.000 No, there's a different, there's like a Ben Askren strong, where it doesn't even look strong, just looks like a fit, athletic guy, and they grab you and you're like, what in the fuck is going on here?

00:04:47.000 Why can't I move?

00:04:49.000 And they twist you up.

00:04:49.000 It's a different kind of strong.

00:04:50.000 They move different.

00:04:51.000 It's a different kind of strong.

00:04:52.000 Correct.

00:04:53.000 Damian Maia's got that strong to strong guys.

00:04:56.000 True.

00:04:56.000 He does that shit to guys like Carlos Condon.

00:04:59.000 Correct.

00:04:59.000 I mean, he's the motherfucker of motherfuckers when it comes to strangling people.

00:05:03.000 That's a terrible fight for Matt Brown.

00:05:03.000 That's a terrible fight for him.

00:05:04.000 And what he did to Neil Magny, he just kept closing, closing, closing.

00:05:08.000 It was like watching a goddamn snake.

00:05:10.000 It was like watching a snake take out a deer.

00:05:12.000 It was terrifying.

00:05:13.000 Slowly get to that back, just tighter and tighter.

00:05:16.000 And every time he corrected, it got tighter and tighter.

00:05:18.000 You see Neil Magny just drowning.

00:05:21.000 Like, fuck!

00:05:21.000 He looked like that zebra in the alligator's mouth.

00:05:23.000 Just like, yeah!

00:05:24.000 You know, I'll tell you what was equally impressive, man, is Rafael dos Anjos in Neil Magny.

00:05:29.000 I was like, holy fuck did I read that wrong.

00:05:31.000 Me too.

00:05:32.000 I thought Neil Magny was going to give him a real good fight.

00:05:35.000 Because of his cardio reach?

00:05:36.000 Cardio reach, footwork, movement, discipline, sticks to the game plan.

00:05:41.000 Neil Magny's a difficult guy to fight.

00:05:44.000 Now Carlos Kahn did fight.

00:05:45.000 Unless you get him down, his jiu-jitsu is an Achilles heel.

00:05:48.000 Well...

00:05:50.000 He, I mean, Damian Maia obviously got him, but the way Dos Anjos got him was like, holy fuck, at 170, Dos Anjos is more aggressive and stronger, it seems to me.

00:06:02.000 He's a motherfucker.

00:06:02.000 Doesn't it seem he's stronger?

00:06:04.000 He's way better.

00:06:05.000 He looks healthy.

00:06:06.000 He moves.

00:06:07.000 He has more power.

00:06:07.000 He's putting his combinations better together.

00:06:09.000 And he's just on the lighter side of being one of those big guys, so it seems like he's got more speed.

00:06:16.000 He reminds me kind of like Robert Whittaker.

00:06:18.000 To me, people go, he's a little small.

00:06:20.000 He's almost perfect.

00:06:21.000 He's not huge.

00:06:23.000 He's not muscle-bound.

00:06:24.000 He can do everything really well.

00:06:25.000 Whittaker stuffed Yoel Romero's takedowns with a blown-out knee.

00:06:29.000 He got his knee blown out in the first round, and he still stuffed takedowns.

00:06:33.000 Whitaker is a fucking savage!

00:06:35.000 I'm all up on that Australian train right now.

00:06:37.000 I think it's another thing where the guy was cutting weight, making 170, just struggling.

00:06:42.000 Man, just struggling.

00:06:43.000 I really wish the way that Ben Askren described how 1FC is doing it, where they're doing this hydration test.

00:06:51.000 Yes.

00:06:52.000 They're doing a hydration test when you weigh in.

00:06:53.000 They're doing a hydration test leading up to the fight.

00:06:56.000 And everybody bumped up a weight class.

00:06:58.000 And he's like at 185, because that's really what he weighs.

00:07:01.000 Exactly.

00:07:02.000 Not to change subjects, but I listen to Ben Askren.

00:07:05.000 I've always been a huge fan of Ben Askren.

00:07:07.000 I think it's such a shame he never fought in the UFC. I think he beats anyone in the world in the UFC. I really do.

00:07:11.000 Well, we would like to see, at the very least...

00:07:14.000 If I had to bet on it, and I'm a betting man, I'd put a lot of dollars on Ben Askren.

00:07:19.000 That being said...

00:07:20.000 He's very articulate.

00:07:22.000 That man needs to do his own podcast.

00:07:23.000 He needs to do something as far as entertainment.

00:07:26.000 He does a wrestling podcast.

00:07:28.000 I'm just saying there's more he could do.

00:07:31.000 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:07:32.000 I thought he was brilliant on that.

00:07:34.000 He's a brilliant guy and he's just smart and unique as a person.

00:07:38.000 And you can either appreciate that or not.

00:07:41.000 That's marketable, man.

00:07:42.000 Well, it is marketable, in my opinion, but it might not be, because I'm just coming at it from a point of view as a fan.

00:07:49.000 I mean, I'm a fan.

00:07:50.000 Which is what we want to hear.

00:07:52.000 Listen, for me, it's a no-brainer.

00:07:55.000 You want to see the best versus the best, and he has been able to do weird shit to people.

00:08:00.000 Has he been hit, what, three years?

00:08:01.000 Dude, he said his last two fights he didn't get hit once.

00:08:04.000 He goes, I haven't been punched in the face in three years, Joe.

00:08:06.000 When I hear that, I'm like, dude, that's so marketable.

00:08:11.000 It's like the Floyd Mayweather thing.

00:08:12.000 Super articulate, super smart.

00:08:14.000 Speaks well.

00:08:15.000 Smart dude.

00:08:16.000 Good looking.

00:08:17.000 Great guy.

00:08:17.000 Good dude.

00:08:18.000 He's a character.

00:08:19.000 He's a coach, for God's sakes, wrestling.

00:08:21.000 Kids.

00:08:22.000 I'm not a promoter.

00:08:23.000 I'm not a promoter.

00:08:24.000 I have no say.

00:08:25.000 And I don't want it.

00:08:26.000 I don't want it.

00:08:27.000 I'm too busy.

00:08:28.000 Let me holler at you, Don.

00:08:30.000 Listen, I know you're stressed at the gills.

00:08:32.000 Look, he knows how to promote.

00:08:34.000 He's a promoter.

00:08:35.000 I don't know jack shit about promotion.

00:08:37.000 I could be wrong.

00:08:38.000 I might just be such a purist that I want the best to fight the best so much I don't give a fuck what I look like.

00:08:44.000 You know the sport.

00:08:45.000 Don't sell yourself short.

00:08:46.000 I guarantee you we could sell Ben Askren.

00:08:47.000 If you and I put on a promotion, I guarantee you I could sell Ben Askren.

00:08:50.000 I guarantee I could get into people's heads why this is important.

00:08:55.000 It's important if the art form is important.

00:08:57.000 If it's just important to put on a good show, then, you know, you could always have guys just stand in the middle of the octagon and throwing lead at each other, and let's see what happens.

00:09:07.000 There's no longevity in that.

00:09:08.000 There's no longevity in that, but it's very entertaining, and there have been moments like when Francisco Rivera and John Lineker just fucking threw down at each other until one guy broke.

00:09:19.000 That's...

00:09:20.000 I do not recommend anybody fighting like that, but that shit is crazy to watch.

00:09:24.000 It's undeniable.

00:09:25.000 That's gonna get the people out of their seats.

00:09:27.000 That's gonna get people freaking out about it.

00:09:29.000 You gotta sprinkle that kind of style in every now and then.

00:09:31.000 That's fun.

00:09:31.000 But as a sport, we can't do that.

00:09:33.000 I think, but every now and then, when something like that happens, like with Ricardo Lamas and Max Holloway, when Max Holloway pointed down at the ground, it's like, come on, bitch, a fight he was already winning!

00:09:44.000 Motherfucker.

00:09:44.000 That shows you who Max is, man.

00:09:47.000 I love that guy.

00:09:47.000 That's real shit.

00:09:48.000 That motherfucker's bad.

00:09:49.000 Look, it's bad!

00:09:50.000 I'm such a fan.

00:09:51.000 Me too.

00:09:52.000 I'm such a fan.

00:09:52.000 I love him.

00:09:53.000 With this new Showtime show I'm doing, I interviewed Frankie, and it's tough for me because I love Frankie, but I'm such a Max Holloway fan.

00:10:00.000 It's tough for me not to show the favoritism.

00:10:03.000 You know what, man?

00:10:04.000 I might be a...

00:10:05.000 I love both of them.

00:10:06.000 I might be a...

00:10:07.000 I've known Frankie longer.

00:10:09.000 Yeah, I know Frankie way better.

00:10:11.000 I'm a giant Max Holloway fan, but I have to do this thing that I do, where I don't want anybody to win.

00:10:17.000 I just want to see what the result is.

00:10:19.000 See, I don't want anyone to lose.

00:10:20.000 I'm not good at that.

00:10:21.000 You're one of the best in the world to do it.

00:10:23.000 It's still hard, though, man.

00:10:24.000 I'm not good at that.

00:10:25.000 I don't want anyone to lose.

00:10:26.000 I love Yoel Romero, and I love Luke, but I've been...

00:10:30.000 I love you!

00:10:30.000 I love you, gay Jesus!

00:10:32.000 But I... I know what those guys feel like when they lose and there's everything on the table.

00:10:37.000 I know for Luke how he changed camps and sometimes that's just you're on a boat and there's holes and you think if you paddle further away from the original camp you're going to fill these holes and it doesn't work like that.

00:10:47.000 Well I think maybe he just needed a fresh look.

00:10:50.000 I mean it might have been a good move for him but he fought Yoel Romero.

00:10:53.000 I mean the reality is Yoel Romero is fucking horrifying.

00:10:57.000 He's horrifying.

00:10:58.000 Luke can beat him.

00:10:59.000 Luke can beat him.

00:11:00.000 Yeah.

00:11:01.000 He might be able to, but he also might be able to get hit exactly like he got hit in that fight every time they fight.

00:11:06.000 Dude, you don't know, man.

00:11:07.000 I'm saying I don't know.

00:11:09.000 I've seen a better version of Luke.

00:11:12.000 To me, as far as skill-wise, besides Whitaker right now, he's on another level.

00:11:15.000 But I look at the roster, and to me, Luke is the most complete middleweight in the world.

00:11:20.000 I can even see him being the light heavyweight champion.

00:11:22.000 Gus Finn might give him some problems.

00:11:23.000 Besides Gus, there's going to be some issues for those guys.

00:11:26.000 Who knows?

00:11:27.000 Maybe him going...

00:11:28.000 I mean, he's been talking about an inevitable climb to 205. He might be just like Whitaker and just like...

00:11:34.000 Who else were we talking about?

00:11:35.000 Rafael dos Anjos.

00:11:36.000 Yeah.

00:11:36.000 He might be a better fighter at 205. He might be so fucking lean, man.

00:11:41.000 The problem there is what made Luke so great was that swagger.

00:11:45.000 Like...

00:11:45.000 People are like, oh, he's so cocky.

00:11:47.000 I get that.

00:11:47.000 I actually want my fighter like that.

00:11:49.000 I liked how he was so arrogant and cocky.

00:11:51.000 Sometimes people don't gravitate towards it, but for a guy like Luke, he just thrived off that.

00:11:56.000 And now when I see him, in the Branch fight, I didn't see it as much.

00:12:01.000 I thought that fight was a little suspect.

00:12:03.000 Not taking anything away from Branch, but that should have been easier for Luke.

00:12:06.000 And I see the Yoel Romero fight.

00:12:08.000 That killer instinct wasn't there.

00:12:10.000 I know you have five rounds, but he would let Yoel explode and reset.

00:12:14.000 When you reset, you've got to Go, man.

00:12:16.000 You gotta go.

00:12:17.000 Branch might not have the best results inside the octagon, but when it comes to technical skill, he's a super high-level fighter.

00:12:24.000 His skill level and his capabilities, I don't think, have matched up to all of his performances.

00:12:30.000 And you saw that when he's attacking Luke.

00:12:32.000 He's fucking good, man.

00:12:33.000 He put him in real trouble.

00:12:34.000 Oh, I'm not saying he's not good.

00:12:35.000 Oh, he's very good.

00:12:36.000 Oh, I'm not saying that.

00:12:36.000 And his ground game's very good, but it makes Luke's win even more impressive.

00:12:40.000 For sure.

00:12:41.000 In World Series of fighting, he became light heavyweight champion, middleweight champion.

00:12:46.000 He's a monster, right?

00:12:47.000 In the UFC, he hasn't found his groove yet.

00:12:50.000 And he never has.

00:12:52.000 A lot of it's level of competition.

00:12:54.000 His first fight in the UFC was boring.

00:12:56.000 And then you get Luke Rockhold, which is no walk in the park.

00:12:59.000 So I do think Dave Branch is a monster.

00:13:01.000 Henzo Gracie Black Belt.

00:13:01.000 Well, this is his second round in the UFC. Remember he fought Gerald Harris and he got KO'd with that crazy slam from the guard?

00:13:07.000 He didn't have a good career before.

00:13:08.000 That was nuts.

00:13:09.000 That was crazy.

00:13:11.000 Gerald Harris is a powerful man.

00:13:13.000 Monster.

00:13:14.000 I'm just saying with Luke, it was this swagger when he thought he was the best in the world.

00:13:17.000 He was in Strike Forces when he got to the UFC when he was champion.

00:13:20.000 And then in the Bisping fight, he gets clipped with that left hook and he has problems with the left side for him.

00:13:26.000 So, you know, Bisping lands that, knocks him out, that short-notice fight, he thought he was going to walk through him.

00:13:30.000 Then he takes that long layoff, and he's trying to be a male model, and, you know, arguing with the UFC. It's just, it's somewhere along the lines that he lost a little bit of swagger.

00:13:38.000 When he gets that back, we're in good form.

00:13:41.000 Well, I'm curious to see what his journey with Henry Hooft, where that comes up.

00:13:47.000 How long have they been together now?

00:13:49.000 Like a year?

00:13:50.000 Maybe a year, yeah.

00:13:51.000 He moved out there.

00:13:52.000 Henry's an interesting coach, man.

00:13:53.000 He's a fucking powerful guy.

00:13:54.000 He's one of the best.

00:13:55.000 He's a very powerful guy.

00:13:57.000 You know what he doesn't have?

00:13:58.000 Is DC, and Cain Velasquez, and Khabib, and Josh Thompson, and these monsters.

00:14:04.000 You're surrounded by just these monsters.

00:14:06.000 Who's he training with?

00:14:07.000 And has he addressed that left side where he keeps getting hit, you know?

00:14:11.000 Which, what put him out?

00:14:12.000 You always left.

00:14:13.000 Yeah.

00:14:13.000 Two lefts.

00:14:14.000 Two lefts.

00:14:15.000 That uppercut was like a free-for-all.

00:14:17.000 Like, Mark Gardner, get a little closer.

00:14:19.000 You gotta get a little closer.

00:14:21.000 That would've been hard to get in the way of, though.

00:14:22.000 So you don't have your marrow just fucking...

00:14:24.000 Think about it.

00:14:25.000 It's hitting as hard as you can.

00:14:27.000 Yo, Romil, smash.

00:14:29.000 Literally, he's punching a human as hard as they can.

00:14:31.000 I didn't think it was a bad stoppage because he had his head up when he went down, and you've got to give one guy a chance to hit him.

00:14:38.000 Now, looking at it after the fact, you go, man, I wish he didn't get hit with that uppercut.

00:14:42.000 The fight was already over.

00:14:43.000 But In the moment.

00:14:45.000 In real time, I agree.

00:14:46.000 What if it doesn't happen?

00:14:47.000 I'm talking shit.

00:14:47.000 With Mark Goddard, I hear you.

00:14:49.000 Unless he ran up 4-2-40, you're not getting over it.

00:14:51.000 I think it's a perfect stoppage.

00:14:53.000 I think the first one, you don't really stop it yet.

00:14:55.000 You've got to see what's going on.

00:14:56.000 Let's flatline this motherfucker.

00:14:58.000 Let's flatline him.

00:14:59.000 You never know.

00:15:00.000 I hear you.

00:15:01.000 That one you kind of know.

00:15:02.000 Kind of, but after the fact we're saying that.

00:15:05.000 I still have the angle of video.

00:15:07.000 Let's talk about Frankie Edgar.

00:15:08.000 That fucking guy's a zombie.

00:15:09.000 He comes back from the dead.

00:15:10.000 He gets cracked by Gray Maynard in two fights to the point where it looks like it's over.

00:15:14.000 I'm glad you brought this up.

00:15:15.000 It's over.

00:15:16.000 He's been rocked and he comes back in the most incredible way.

00:15:20.000 When I sit down with him, we're talking about that, and we're talking about concussions and CT because he has kids and stuff.

00:15:26.000 And I said, like that gray maniard fight, you know, you were concussed, and he came back.

00:15:30.000 He goes, what's crazy about that, Brendan, is I wasn't concussed.

00:15:35.000 No signs at all.

00:15:36.000 I went, I'm going to stop you.

00:15:38.000 I'm going to stop you.

00:15:39.000 Who told you?

00:15:39.000 He goes, didn't even throw up.

00:15:41.000 I went, so that's your sign for...

00:15:43.000 Not concussed?

00:15:44.000 You didn't throw up?

00:15:45.000 I said, that is such bro sign, Frankie.

00:15:47.000 Look at me when I tell you this.

00:15:48.000 You had brain trauma in that fight, man.

00:15:50.000 Fucking telling you, bro.

00:15:51.000 There's no way he didn't.

00:15:52.000 It's impossible.

00:15:53.000 I mean, maybe he'll recover 100%, but the fucking heart that it took to come back from that and draw in one fight and then KO him in the second fight.

00:16:01.000 Legend, brother.

00:16:01.000 Fucking crazy.

00:16:02.000 What's crazy if you look at Frankie's record, you know, when they toss him the Yair Rodriguez's, you know, these young cats, he eats them up like Kobayashi.

00:16:11.000 Now Brian Burr's Cup Swanson fight?

00:16:13.000 Holy shit.

00:16:14.000 He does this to these young kids, man.

00:16:15.000 Brian Ortega's a totally different animal, though.

00:16:18.000 Totally different animal if he gets a hole in your neck.

00:16:20.000 You cannot fuck around with that dude on the ground.

00:16:23.000 We're talking real high-level jiu-jitsu.

00:16:25.000 He beat Cup Swanson basically twice.

00:16:27.000 Saved by the bell and then got his neck again.

00:16:29.000 I don't think people who are watching him are yet 100% aware of what he's capable of.

00:16:35.000 He's a fucking killer on the ground, dude.

00:16:39.000 He cinches shit up at one of the highest levels I've ever seen in that debate.

00:16:43.000 You should see him in training and practice.

00:16:44.000 I can't imagine.

00:16:45.000 I've known Brian forever, and he's a guy where, you know, one of the reasons why he got so good, remember, he teaches at the Gracie Academy in Torrance nonstop.

00:16:53.000 Right, that's a big thing.

00:16:54.000 He's constantly teaching, helping everyone.

00:16:55.000 He's a great kid, man.

00:16:57.000 Monster.

00:16:58.000 Dude, his triangle is one of the best I've ever seen.

00:17:01.000 It's so quick.

00:17:02.000 He's so fucking nasty off of his back.

00:17:05.000 He's a million setups.

00:17:06.000 And the fucking dexterity of his legs, man.

00:17:09.000 And when he cinches shit up, it's super high level.

00:17:12.000 And I've talked about it for a long time, with guys with that high level jiu-jitsu, you know, a lot of them want to wrestle non-stop, but the wrestler hasn't caught up to their jiu-jitsu.

00:17:20.000 With him, he's not afraid to jump to guard, he's not afraid to do flying triangles, he's not afraid to jump to half guard, he doesn't give a fuck.

00:17:26.000 That's how he's raised into this, where Henner Gracie and Huron Gracie just, hey man, don't be scared, off your back, you're beating dudes.

00:17:33.000 Yeah, it's a really interesting combination of boxing, because now he's become a very good boxer.

00:17:39.000 So his hands, which he's very comfortable boxing, and then guys are trying to take him down, right?

00:17:44.000 And that was the fight before this last one, right?

00:17:47.000 The dude tried to take him down and got guillotined?

00:17:49.000 Yep.

00:17:50.000 And he was pulling things out.

00:17:51.000 It went late, and then he'd pull off these late submissions.

00:17:53.000 These guys would tie, but you give him an inch, he takes a mile with your neck.

00:17:56.000 When he got a hold of Cubs' neck, you could see.

00:17:58.000 Like, it's just a whole nother level of squeeze and technique and sharpness, and everything's in the perfect place, and everything has perfect leverage, and when he grabs a hold of something, he cinches it up real quickly.

00:18:10.000 And he believes in it wholeheartedly.

00:18:11.000 100%.

00:18:12.000 Like, if he gets, he goes, Oh, this is over.

00:18:14.000 Yeah, he's done it to everybody.

00:18:15.000 He's done it to so many people in training.

00:18:17.000 He does it to every high, high, I won't say names, high, high-level dudes in training where you're like, holy fuck.

00:18:22.000 Super legit.

00:18:23.000 That is a fucking dangerous fight for Frankie to accept on short notice.

00:18:26.000 How gangster is Frankie?

00:18:27.000 I'll take that killer.

00:18:29.000 Gangster as it gets.

00:18:29.000 Legend, man.

00:18:29.000 Gangster as it gets.

00:18:31.000 Different fight.

00:18:32.000 Brian Ortega has a different fight on his hands, too, because...

00:18:36.000 It's going to be tough to take Frankie down, but what Brian does have, he has a size advantage.

00:18:40.000 Doesn't have a speed advantage, doesn't have a wrestling advantage.

00:18:42.000 I think Frankie puts everything together better.

00:18:44.000 As far as killer instinct, Brian Ortega.

00:18:46.000 That's his X factor.

00:18:48.000 I read the other day that Frankie's never been finished.

00:18:51.000 I went, wow!

00:18:52.000 That's incredible.

00:18:53.000 That's incredible.

00:18:55.000 He's never been submitted?

00:18:56.000 And he also has that...

00:18:57.000 Ricardo Almeida is his jiu-jitsu coach he trains with every day.

00:19:01.000 And he's with Marlon Marais, too, right?

00:19:04.000 They have Marlon Marais, they got Frankie, they got Eddie Alvarez, who's a monster, and they're training every single day.

00:19:12.000 Oh, and Barbosa.

00:19:15.000 That's their camp.

00:19:16.000 Oh, and their leader happens to be the best mind in the game, Mark Henry.

00:19:20.000 Dude, that's a hell of a camp right there.

00:19:22.000 That's a hell of a camp.

00:19:24.000 It's ridiculous.

00:19:25.000 And for Eddie Alvarez and Frankie and Barboza, it's just like this perfect storm of killers.

00:19:32.000 And you have this brilliant mind, the Einstein of mixed martial arts and Mark Henry, who's just this fucking savage, man.

00:19:38.000 Yeah.

00:19:39.000 It's brilliant what they're doing up there.

00:19:41.000 Yeah, it's one of the hot camps, right?

00:19:44.000 I asked Frankie, I said, were you surprised what happened with Barboza and Khabib?

00:19:49.000 He goes, dude, Barboza's a motherfucker to take down.

00:19:52.000 Eddie and I have struggled, man.

00:19:54.000 I said, think how good Khabib is.

00:19:57.000 Scary.

00:19:58.000 Scary!

00:19:59.000 That Khabib-Tony fight, son.

00:20:02.000 It's my number one fight I want to see this year!

00:20:04.000 There's just people that I think have evolved from generation after generation after generation of grappler.

00:20:14.000 There seems to be something happening with those Russian folks and those Dagestan folks, and especially him with his dad being this fucking amazing trainer.

00:20:24.000 He's just...

00:20:24.000 Just tougher than us, Joe.

00:20:25.000 Tougher.

00:20:26.000 We're not the same.

00:20:27.000 Something happens when he grabs ahold of guys that you just don't see.

00:20:31.000 Barboza's face was like, what the fuck?

00:20:33.000 He's just getting run over by a freight train.

00:20:37.000 Just a guy with unstoppable pressure.

00:20:41.000 Constant punches to the face.

00:20:42.000 You're never getting up.

00:20:43.000 You feel it.

00:20:44.000 You know you're never getting up.

00:20:45.000 And if you do get up, it's going to cost you so much energy to get up, you're going to be exhausted.

00:20:49.000 And then you know this guy can take you down again.

00:20:51.000 If he takes you down again, you're three quarters helpless.

00:20:53.000 Three quarters helpless.

00:20:54.000 Next round, you're going to be half helpless.

00:20:56.000 Next round after that, you're basically helpless.

00:20:59.000 You're just tough.

00:21:00.000 You're just surviving on your toughness.

00:21:02.000 And you know he's going to take you down again and beat your face in again.

00:21:04.000 It's like ISIS torching, man.

00:21:05.000 I'd rather just get murked real fast by Francis than fighting Khabib.

00:21:08.000 It's a savage, slow death.

00:21:10.000 It's a savage, slow fight.

00:21:11.000 But here's the thing.

00:21:13.000 He's never fought anybody like Tony.

00:21:16.000 Tony is so different.

00:21:18.000 He's so different.

00:21:19.000 Completely different animal.

00:21:20.000 He's so different.

00:21:21.000 He's so dangerous on his feet.

00:21:22.000 He's hard to take down.

00:21:24.000 He scrambles like crazy.

00:21:26.000 He's well aware of what it takes to protect himself on the ground.

00:21:30.000 He takes a tremendous shot.

00:21:32.000 He's got crazy Darces.

00:21:34.000 He pulls Darces up on people that are like, you know, he did the barboza.

00:21:37.000 Remember that fucking crazy ass fight and he slaps that Darce on him.

00:21:41.000 That Darce is tight, son.

00:21:42.000 His Darce is world class.

00:21:43.000 Here's the X Factor with Tony and Khabib, is to me, Tony's getting taken down.

00:21:48.000 I swear I'd bet my life saving that he gets taken down.

00:21:51.000 That's not the fight.

00:21:52.000 The fight starts once it hits the ground, because Tony Ferguson off his back is a monster.

00:21:58.000 A monster.

00:21:58.000 Elbows to his triangle, like his triangle with Kevin Lee.

00:22:01.000 Now, Kevin Lee's a different grappler than Khabib, but still, his setups, but his elbows, if you rest, he's going to whoop your ass from his back.

00:22:08.000 So to me, that fight happens on the ground.

00:22:11.000 You've got to be careful of who's judging that fight, because...

00:22:15.000 Tony can win even if he's whooping his ass from his back.

00:22:18.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:22:19.000 Yes, it is entirely possible that Tony could be hitting him and trying to attack with submissions.

00:22:24.000 And you don't like doing MMA math, but they both fought Barboza and Tony was able to finish him.

00:22:31.000 Tony has a better resume, for sure.

00:22:33.000 Well, he finishes guys, you know, I mean, he catches guys that are really high level with jujitsu techniques.

00:22:40.000 I mean, especially that darts.

00:22:41.000 Super dangerous.

00:22:43.000 Khabib, you know exactly what he's gonna do.

00:22:45.000 You know, his striking isn't world-class, but his grappling, his pressure, everything else is world-class.

00:22:51.000 We also haven't seen him five rounds.

00:22:53.000 Five rounds with Tony is a tough task, man.

00:22:55.000 It's a tough task.

00:22:56.000 Because Tony gets better.

00:22:57.000 But he thrives in that kind of dog situation where he's just going, going, going.

00:23:01.000 So to me, for Khabib, if he goes that fourth, fifth round...

00:23:05.000 Who knows?

00:23:06.000 Well, we don't know.

00:23:08.000 That's why this fight's so good to me.

00:23:10.000 That's why it's my number one fight this year.

00:23:12.000 I swear to God, if either one of them gets hurt, I'm going to cry.

00:23:14.000 Oh, you get me so excited.

00:23:15.000 Yeah.

00:23:16.000 And then think about, let me just fucking get your dick out, Stipe DC. That's a great fight, too.

00:23:21.000 That's a super fight.

00:23:23.000 Yeah.

00:23:24.000 That's a fucking super fight.

00:23:25.000 We talk about all these super fights.

00:23:26.000 That's a legit super fight.

00:23:28.000 Yeah.

00:23:30.000 That is a super fight, right?

00:23:32.000 It's such a close fight!

00:23:33.000 It's a very good fight.

00:23:34.000 And DC's undefeated at heavyweight.

00:23:36.000 Was a former world champion from Strikeforce.

00:23:38.000 It's also when you see DC wrestler Vulcan, you go, oh, there are levels to this shit, kid.

00:23:44.000 Come back!

00:23:46.000 Oh, Vulcan, you got time, son.

00:23:48.000 You got time.

00:23:49.000 You got time now.

00:23:50.000 You got time to work on your wrestling.

00:23:53.000 I'm just kidding.

00:23:54.000 I love you, Vulcan.

00:23:55.000 But the thing is, it's funny, but he actually looked really good.

00:24:00.000 I've been in that clinch with DC, and that is no picnic.

00:24:03.000 He threw me around like a rag doll.

00:24:04.000 He did real good until he didn't do good anymore.

00:24:07.000 And then DC did exactly what he said he was going to do.

00:24:09.000 By the end of the round, he had his neck and he just was saved by the bell.

00:24:12.000 And then when we went to the second round, you know, you could tell what was going on.

00:24:15.000 How great is DC? DC's amazing.

00:24:17.000 He's amazing.

00:24:18.000 That just shows you how fucking great John Jones is.

00:24:20.000 That's the whole top of the pyramid.

00:24:23.000 If you're John Jones...

00:24:24.000 You go to the top of the spear and you go, what?

00:24:26.000 Okay.

00:24:27.000 Jesus, how good is this guy?

00:24:28.000 Yeah, and John trained for one week and was high off his ass.

00:24:31.000 Yeah, listen, man.

00:24:31.000 That's how good he is.

00:24:33.000 He's a fucking wizard.

00:24:34.000 He's on another level.

00:24:35.000 Best of all time.

00:24:36.000 PEDs.

00:24:37.000 Phenomenal.

00:24:37.000 However, if you're John, you're sitting at home right now in your underwear thinking about the bad decisions you've made and hopefully that you're going to get back in the UFC, DC's taking your career path.

00:24:48.000 Because John always wanted to go to heavyweight, wanted to fight Stipe, wanted to do all this shit.

00:24:52.000 DC goes, oh cool, hold my bear, and then just does his thing.

00:24:56.000 Dude, can you imagine how big DC would be if John comes back and DC beats him?

00:25:02.000 Do you know how big he would be?

00:25:04.000 Do you know how crazy that would be?

00:25:07.000 That'd be crazy.

00:25:08.000 How about they fight at heavyweight?

00:25:10.000 Well, they're going to fight at heavyweight.

00:25:11.000 You think so?

00:25:12.000 Yeah, DC gets that belt.

00:25:14.000 Kyle, there's a 95% chance that Jon Jones fights in the UFC in 2018. So you're saying there's a chance.

00:25:19.000 You're telling me there's a chance.

00:25:21.000 That's his agent, though.

00:25:23.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:25:23.000 That's his agent.

00:25:24.000 Is his agent Jim Carrey?

00:25:24.000 Yeah, right.

00:25:25.000 So you're telling me there's a chance.

00:25:27.000 You can't really listen to agents.

00:25:29.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:25:30.000 Yeah, that guy, first of all...

00:25:31.000 My agent thinks I'm going to be the next Rock.

00:25:32.000 He's full of shit.

00:25:33.000 You know, if you talk to him, I'm the greatest thing walking this earth.

00:25:35.000 It is entirely possible that he accidentally took...

00:25:39.000 And people are saying that I'm being paid to say this.

00:25:41.000 I'm going to tell you right now, UFC's never paid me to say anything other than the truth.

00:25:47.000 The reality about it is they don't know what he took.

00:25:51.000 They don't know what happened.

00:25:52.000 They don't know how he got it.

00:25:54.000 And the theory that I talked about is just a rumor that was going around that someone was trying to explain one way it could have happened, and it's through tainted creatine.

00:26:03.000 That was backed up by Nowitzki, the golden snitch, who is an actual employee of the UFC. And he explained it.

00:26:11.000 The UFC does not pay you to say anything on this podcast.

00:26:14.000 No.

00:26:14.000 You're a commentator.

00:26:15.000 Yes.

00:26:15.000 They're not telling you things to say.

00:26:17.000 But here's the thing, to their credit, they've never tried.

00:26:19.000 They've never, ever, ever tried.

00:26:20.000 Well, they know better.

00:26:21.000 But if they ever talk to me about something, it's something we all agree with.

00:26:24.000 Like, you know, like maybe Dana and I have conversations about, like, this is a big fight.

00:26:28.000 Are you pumped for this?

00:26:28.000 I'm like, fuck, dude.

00:26:29.000 I can't even wait.

00:26:30.000 Yeah.

00:26:30.000 Are you kidding me?

00:26:31.000 You can't put in a word for Ben Asker.

00:26:33.000 You son of a bitch.

00:26:34.000 Dude, I've talked to him about it in the past.

00:26:36.000 Once you start insulting him and fucking with him, he's like, I'm busy.

00:26:40.000 He's forgiving, no.

00:26:42.000 Oh, you gotta talk to him.

00:26:43.000 He doesn't hate me anymore.

00:26:45.000 No, he doesn't.

00:26:46.000 I hope he doesn't.

00:26:46.000 I think if Ben and him sat down and I could be there, maybe I could help.

00:26:51.000 You gotta be the middleman.

00:26:52.000 I would do that.

00:26:52.000 I'd 100% be willing to do that.

00:26:54.000 You helped me out when I was going through the Reebok thing.

00:26:56.000 Yeah.

00:26:57.000 Yeah, I think Ben is underutilized and not understood and underappreciated.

00:27:05.000 That's what I think.

00:27:06.000 It's a real shame, too, because the father's time, you know, you can't wait that long.

00:27:10.000 Did you see what he did to Korshkov?

00:27:11.000 You see what he did to Lima?

00:27:12.000 These are top-flight, super-powerful guys.

00:27:15.000 He ragdolls them.

00:27:17.000 And Khabib wants to give this fight 55 and go to 70. What's up, son?

00:27:21.000 And, you know, he had that interesting conversation about when he fought Jay Huron, which is his toughest fight in Bellator.

00:27:28.000 A long time ago, yeah.

00:27:29.000 Split decision.

00:27:30.000 But he said he wasn't wrestling.

00:27:31.000 He said he fucked up.

00:27:32.000 He said he was trying to just work on his striking, and his wrestling was off.

00:27:36.000 And I was like, that's incredible that someone as good as him still needs to be constantly doing it to stay sharp.

00:27:41.000 He forgot what got you to the dance.

00:27:43.000 I'm like, that's amazing.

00:27:44.000 And so ever since then, he's concentrated on his wrestling and he's just taking everybody down.

00:27:48.000 Like, when he concentrates on his wrestling and he's constantly doing it...

00:27:51.000 That's the way to do it.

00:27:52.000 And even Curtis Blades, I text you, I'm like, dude, this Australia card's ridiculous.

00:27:56.000 Yeah, I was fucking hate on it, getting it over with.

00:27:59.000 But that card was amazing.

00:28:00.000 But Curtis Blades goes, listen, man, you guys want to boo me?

00:28:03.000 Hate to tell you, I don't enjoy getting punched in the face.

00:28:05.000 I'm not trying to get punched in the face.

00:28:06.000 Not by Mark Hunt.

00:28:07.000 I'm just trying to get, by anyone.

00:28:08.000 I'm just trying to get paid.

00:28:10.000 How good is Curtis Blades' chin?

00:28:11.000 It's the beard.

00:28:12.000 Dude, he took some shots.

00:28:15.000 Mark Hunt put it on him, man.

00:28:17.000 Blast him.

00:28:18.000 He was almost out of it.

00:28:19.000 Yeah, and he gets the double.

00:28:20.000 Like, fuck yeah, that's what you're supposed to do.

00:28:22.000 This is fighting.

00:28:23.000 That's exactly what you're supposed to do.

00:28:24.000 And I'm biased as fuck as Curtis from my old camp, and I see those guys, I talk to them, they tell me how much of a monster he is, and I love Mark Hunt.

00:28:31.000 I didn't want anyone to lose that fight.

00:28:32.000 When I see Mark Hunt getting taken down, Mark Hunt to me is like the white rhino, the last white rhino.

00:28:38.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:28:38.000 He's the last remaining white rhino.

00:28:40.000 We gotta protect this guy.

00:28:41.000 Don't give him the fucking just wrestler.

00:28:44.000 He's a legend.

00:28:45.000 Don't give him that guy.

00:28:46.000 Give him Francis.

00:28:48.000 Let's see how that plays out.

00:28:49.000 You know, not JDS, but you know what I'm saying.

00:28:52.000 Yeah.

00:28:53.000 How dare you give him a fucking Juco National Champion and send it to Australia?

00:28:57.000 How dare you?

00:28:58.000 He almost won by knockout, though, and Mark's hard to take down.

00:29:01.000 I think it was a good test.

00:29:02.000 I think it was an important test.

00:29:04.000 Look, they tried to do the same thing with Derrick Lewis.

00:29:06.000 They gave Derrick Lewis a test at Mark Hunt.

00:29:08.000 Mark Hunt shut him down and stopped him.

00:29:10.000 Derrick Lewis is one of the best fucking heavyweights in the division.

00:29:12.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:29:12.000 One of the best heavyweights, not one of the best wrestlers.

00:29:15.000 Right.

00:29:15.000 But he still is one of the best guys.

00:29:18.000 He's a knockout artist and a promising up-and-coming guy.

00:29:21.000 They give him to Mark Hunt.

00:29:23.000 He cannot get past Mark Hunt.

00:29:24.000 True, but Mark Hunt...

00:29:25.000 This could have happened with Chris Blades, too.

00:29:26.000 Not really.

00:29:27.000 If it happened in Australia, but if it happened in Australia with all his fans there from New Zealand, dude, that's a big fight for him.

00:29:33.000 It's a smart fight.

00:29:34.000 Smart fight for who?

00:29:35.000 For both guys.

00:29:36.000 If Mark Hunt won, if he connected with a couple shots more, or if Curtis wasn't as tough and as good as he is, he could have knocked out anybody at that night.

00:29:45.000 For Curtis, it's a smart fight, right?

00:29:48.000 For Mark Hunt, it's a smart fight, too.

00:29:49.000 Not really.

00:29:50.000 He's already a legend.

00:29:51.000 Yeah, but if he wins the way he almost won by knockout in Australia, it jumps you up even further.

00:29:57.000 Not really.

00:29:58.000 He's ranked fifth.

00:29:59.000 Yeah, but the excitement of the Perth crowd, you're as good as your last fight.

00:30:04.000 If he had two KOs in a row like that, that's big.

00:30:07.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:30:07.000 To me, stylistically, it's a bad matchup.

00:30:10.000 I understand what you're saying, but he's 40, and he's legitimately one or two big wins away from another title shot.

00:30:16.000 Think about what you have, right?

00:30:17.000 You have DC versus Stipe.

00:30:19.000 Whoever fights that, who are they going to fight next?

00:30:21.000 Mark Hunt knocks out...

00:30:23.000 Hold on a second.

00:30:23.000 He knocks out him, and then he knocks out someone...

00:30:27.000 Next.

00:30:27.000 Like, who could it be?

00:30:28.000 Okay.

00:30:29.000 You could try Overeem again, but the problem with Overeem fighting for the title again is he just lost to Stipe by knockout, and then he just lost to Francis by knockout.

00:30:37.000 And he got 13 there as well.

00:30:38.000 Yeah.

00:30:38.000 He's number one, actually.

00:30:39.000 Yeah, you've got some fucking real interesting fights, but all it would take was Mark Hunt to beat one of those top guys, and he's in consideration again.

00:30:46.000 There's a small pool there.

00:30:49.000 Heavyweight's super small.

00:30:50.000 That's why Overeem keeps getting shuffled back to the top, as tough as he is, and it's not taking anything away from him.

00:30:55.000 There's not a lot of new blood being fed into the top tiers of the group.

00:30:59.000 There's no new blood, really.

00:31:01.000 Well, it's hard.

00:31:01.000 It's a fucking hard division to find talented guys.

00:31:04.000 I think it's the most difficult division.

00:31:06.000 Well, I think heavyweight's better off than light heavyweight.

00:31:08.000 Light heavyweight's like, Jesus Christ.

00:31:10.000 That's a shark tank.

00:31:12.000 Light heavyweight's got a lot of crazy shit going on right now, right?

00:31:15.000 Like, what happens if DC loses, or leaves, rather?

00:31:17.000 DC's gonna win the heavyweight belt and bounce.

00:31:20.000 So if he goes to heavyweight and stays at heavyweight...

00:31:22.000 Wins, bounces.

00:31:23.000 And think of that, man.

00:31:24.000 This is crazy, right?

00:31:25.000 Is it?

00:31:26.000 Imagine Kane going to 205. That's not happening.

00:31:29.000 He's too old.

00:31:30.000 He's going to fight at heavyweight.

00:31:31.000 Get away from them tacos.

00:31:33.000 Come on, Kane.

00:31:34.000 I've seen that show.

00:31:36.000 That dude eats.

00:31:36.000 He gets down with that Mexican food.

00:31:38.000 I don't blame him, man.

00:31:39.000 He's earned it.

00:31:40.000 However, Kane will fight.

00:31:42.000 He's not going to fight for the title right away.

00:31:43.000 He's going to fight once this year and then hopefully a title fight.

00:31:46.000 But I think what they're planning on is DC beats Stipe, vacates the belt, and then Canning a fight for the interim belt towards the end of the year or beginning of the early next year.

00:31:57.000 Damn, Stipe does not want to hear that kind of talk.

00:32:00.000 People just love to overlook Stipe Miocic.

00:32:03.000 It's fucking crazy.

00:32:04.000 Look at the heavyweight division though.

00:32:06.000 It's fucking land of the dinosaurs.

00:32:07.000 And then light heavyweight.

00:32:08.000 Well, Francis is terrifying for everyone on the planet other than Stipe Miocic.

00:32:13.000 No, no, no.

00:32:15.000 So Francis would lose.

00:32:17.000 I'm back off the train.

00:32:19.000 You're off the Francis train?

00:32:20.000 Goddamn, I'm off that train.

00:32:22.000 I didn't know he can't wrestle at all.

00:32:24.000 I didn't know he was like, how do you spell wrestling?

00:32:26.000 Listen, so Curtis Blade smokes him.

00:32:29.000 Cain Blasquez smokes him.

00:32:30.000 Smokes who?

00:32:31.000 Francis?

00:32:31.000 Yes, all day.

00:32:32.000 Really?

00:32:33.000 So you think Curtis Blades, when they fought the first time, just wasn't ready for him?

00:32:36.000 Remember, that got stopped via Dr. Stoppage in the second round.

00:32:40.000 I think he goes, hold up, you have zero wrestling?

00:32:42.000 You just hit mitts and lift weights and talked to employees at the UFC Institute?

00:32:47.000 The fuck?

00:32:48.000 Yeah, I'm gonna wrestle your ass.

00:32:50.000 I want to point out that I do not agree with that assessment.

00:32:53.000 I'm sure he trained his wrestling.

00:32:55.000 I'm sure he was in the best shape he could be.

00:32:57.000 That's not what he told me.

00:32:58.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:32:58.000 I think he burned down the first round.

00:33:00.000 I mean, I've watched it.

00:33:01.000 He definitely needs some more.

00:33:02.000 There's no technique as wrestling there.

00:33:03.000 From the very get-go, his sheer strength got him through some of those takedowns, but you look at his hand placement's hips, it's not there.

00:33:10.000 Now, it can come.

00:33:11.000 It's a tough business to be in and try and pick those skills up.

00:33:15.000 And you look at that list, you know, Derek Lewis, he can double leg your ass.

00:33:19.000 Mark Hunt, obviously a good matchup.

00:33:21.000 Curtis Blades, nightmare.

00:33:22.000 Cain Blasquez, nightmare.

00:33:23.000 Fabricio Verdum, fucking nightmare.

00:33:25.000 Al Stroverin can wrestle if he wants to.

00:33:27.000 Stipe, obviously nightmare.

00:33:28.000 We saw what he did to him.

00:33:29.000 The thing is, he's so fucking powerful that every one of them could get nighty-nighted with one shot.

00:33:38.000 The sport's evolved, my brother.

00:33:39.000 The sport is definitely evolved.

00:33:41.000 To be world champion.

00:33:41.000 Right, but you're looking at it through the eyes of someone who fought Stipe Miocic, right?

00:33:46.000 He fought Stipe Miocic, Stipe figured him out, Stipe beat him, right?

00:33:50.000 But Stipe is a very, very unusual character.

00:33:54.000 And there's some shots that he got hit with in that fight that a lot of dudes would not have been able to take.

00:34:00.000 I agree with that.

00:34:00.000 However, if Fabrizio gets you on the ground, and I promise you, if he got you down that often, he would have choked Francis unconscious.

00:34:06.000 That's a different animal.

00:34:07.000 On the ground, that's a different animal.

00:34:08.000 So is Kane, though.

00:34:09.000 Kane will beat you up on the ground for sure.

00:34:12.000 Stipe on the ground, he's not a big finisher.

00:34:14.000 He's going to fuck you up and he's going to wear you out.

00:34:16.000 He's not a huge finisher.

00:34:17.000 He doesn't look for submissions.

00:34:19.000 I'm sorry, Verdun will fucking get a hold of your neck.

00:34:21.000 He'll look for submissions.

00:34:23.000 And then think about Kane.

00:34:24.000 His ground pound's ferocious.

00:34:25.000 Ferocious.

00:34:26.000 Super accurate.

00:34:27.000 And the reps he puts in, bang, bang, bang, bang.

00:34:31.000 He breaks you.

00:34:32.000 Where Stipe's very controlled, he's going to take you down, he doesn't give a fuck.

00:34:36.000 He's going to wear you out.

00:34:37.000 Yeah, Kane has a crazy output.

00:34:39.000 Like, his output's disturbing.

00:34:40.000 Nuts.

00:34:40.000 You know, you watch the sheer volume and the pace of the takedowns and chaining takedowns together and beating you up on the way down.

00:34:47.000 You're like, wow.

00:34:48.000 What?

00:34:50.000 Javier Mendes said this once.

00:34:52.000 We were in the back and it was him and Crazy Bob Cook.

00:34:55.000 And I was like, dude, I think he was just...

00:34:58.000 I forget who it was that he fought.

00:35:01.000 But I said, I think he was just expecting to ride the storm out.

00:35:05.000 You know, like, because he just couldn't keep up with Kane.

00:35:08.000 And Javier goes, this storm doesn't ever go away.

00:35:12.000 He goes, that storm is there forever.

00:35:14.000 Like, you don't understand, there's no ride in this storm.

00:35:16.000 Yeah, you better fucking just gear down and try to match it.

00:35:19.000 I mean, they even talk openly about it.

00:35:21.000 Like, he's a freak.

00:35:22.000 Like, he'll take three weeks off, come back, and just runs through everybody.

00:35:27.000 There's something going on there.

00:35:28.000 There's something going on.

00:35:29.000 Unless he fights in Mexico.

00:35:30.000 Yeah, there's something going on.

00:35:31.000 Wow, that was a fucking mess, man.

00:35:33.000 Nobody could do that.

00:35:34.000 Nobody, even Cardio Kane, can't go to 7,000 feet without being there for a while.

00:35:38.000 It's a nightmare.

00:35:39.000 It's just too much...

00:35:40.000 Now, think about that relentless...

00:35:41.000 Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you.

00:35:42.000 Think about the relentless approach, and DC's fight's very similar, against Steve Bay.

00:35:48.000 And to me, that's where I see when it first came out, I went, oh my god, it's a super fight.

00:35:53.000 Let me think about this.

00:35:54.000 What are my initial thoughts?

00:35:56.000 I always go, what's my initial thoughts about what most people are going to think?

00:35:58.000 Well, Stipe has knockout power.

00:36:00.000 His wrestling's good.

00:36:01.000 He puts everything together well.

00:36:02.000 But the cardio of DC's going to be an issue if DC can get past that third round.

00:36:07.000 That's a big, you know what I'm saying?

00:36:09.000 That's tremendous cardio, but so does Stipe.

00:36:11.000 And here's the other thing.

00:36:12.000 Think about Stipe, what we was able to do with Francis, right?

00:36:16.000 He caught Francis, who was the most dangerous guy in the division standing up.

00:36:19.000 The most dangerous guy in terms of making mistakes.

00:36:22.000 Hands down, yeah.

00:36:22.000 Hands down.

00:36:23.000 He caught him with some strong shots.

00:36:25.000 He tagged him several times.

00:36:27.000 And now think...

00:36:29.000 The difference in size between Stipe and DC. You've got a guy who doesn't hit as hard.

00:36:35.000 DC's definitely formidable on the feet, and he showed that in the Volkan fight.

00:36:39.000 He cracked Volkan.

00:36:40.000 His stand-up is very good.

00:36:41.000 But he's not absolutely terrifying with his punches.

00:36:44.000 He's not a technician.

00:36:45.000 Right.

00:36:45.000 Well, he is a technician.

00:36:47.000 I think he's a technician.

00:36:47.000 He gets away with something where he'll leave his hips and he'll pull back, which at heavyweight you're going to be in a little trouble.

00:36:52.000 Now, saying that, he is on the feet as a heavyweight, so...

00:36:55.000 Well, I was very impressed with his hands in the Volcon fight.

00:36:57.000 He was the one that was landing shots.

00:36:59.000 Me too.

00:36:59.000 He played that game.

00:37:00.000 And beat him.

00:37:01.000 Right.

00:37:01.000 And Volcon is fucking dangerous.

00:37:03.000 His stand-up is very, very dangerous.

00:37:05.000 So I'm impressed with him.

00:37:07.000 Yeah, me too.

00:37:07.000 I think he is a technician.

00:37:09.000 But he's like 5'11".

00:37:13.000 Stipe's 6'4".

00:37:14.000 Stipe's long, and he's very good at knocking out heavyweights.

00:37:19.000 I'm thinking of the way Stipe knocked out Verdum, the way Stipe was able to crack Francis.

00:37:24.000 Overeem.

00:37:25.000 He knocked out Overeem.

00:37:25.000 Dude, he's a beast.

00:37:26.000 Junior Dos Santos, what he did to him.

00:37:29.000 Think about what he did to Mark Hunt.

00:37:30.000 Yes.

00:37:31.000 Orlovsky, what he did to Orlovsky.

00:37:32.000 Dude, he's a beast.

00:37:33.000 This guy's heavyweight of all time in the UFC. Right now, you have to say he is, because he won the title three.

00:37:37.000 He's the only guy to defend it three times.

00:37:40.000 He's a fucking animal, so you got a tall order for DC. It's interesting because of his wrestling and his just ability to figure out how to win and how good he looked in the Volkan fight, but Volkan and Stipe are not the same.

00:37:51.000 Stipe is the heavyweight fucking champion of the world, and for whatever reason, people seem to want to look past him.

00:37:59.000 I don't understand it.

00:38:00.000 I don't know why.

00:38:00.000 I do it too, and Stipe's a buddy of mine.

00:38:02.000 Stipe's a buddy of mine.

00:38:03.000 Dude, you look past him now?

00:38:05.000 It's very strange.

00:38:07.000 You and I did the Wilbur together.

00:38:09.000 One of the fan questions, how Stipe beat fucking Francis?

00:38:12.000 I went, come out in a singlet and do not strike at all?

00:38:15.000 I'm scared for him, man.

00:38:16.000 But you look at it, Stipe just pulls it off, man.

00:38:19.000 He pulls it off.

00:38:19.000 I don't know what it is.

00:38:19.000 He's a winner.

00:38:20.000 That's what it is.

00:38:21.000 He's a straight winner.

00:38:22.000 He's a winner.

00:38:23.000 He knows how to win.

00:38:24.000 But you know who's a winner and is an Olympian?

00:38:27.000 And to me, besides Jon Jones, is the greatest of all time?

00:38:29.000 Daniel Cormier.

00:38:31.000 Yes.

00:38:31.000 He has some other gear in him.

00:38:33.000 But also, at heavyweight, he's going to come in around 230. Right.

00:38:37.000 And then his leverage, and he's cockstrong.

00:38:40.000 That motherfucker in the clinch.

00:38:42.000 So there's Division I wrestling, Stipe, Cleveland State.

00:38:45.000 Then there's Oklahoma State wrestling, Olympic wrestling.

00:38:50.000 You're talking about WNBA to NBA All-Stars.

00:38:53.000 There's a complete difference there.

00:38:55.000 That's Ben Askren, for God's sake.

00:38:57.000 You can see it.

00:38:58.000 Remember when he fought Dan Henderson?

00:38:59.000 You're like, holy shit.

00:39:01.000 Remember when he picked up Josh Barnett?

00:39:03.000 Slammed him.

00:39:04.000 What he did to Dan Henderson, that was insulting.

00:39:08.000 That's a goddamn legend.

00:39:09.000 Dan Henderson is also an Olympian.

00:39:11.000 Yeah, I know.

00:39:12.000 He picked him and spiked him on his head like he was a four-year-old.

00:39:14.000 He threw him around like you never saw anybody do to Anderson before.

00:39:17.000 Show a little fucking respect.

00:39:18.000 And then he showed respect to Anderson Silva.

00:39:21.000 Well, that was a fight Anderson took on short notice, remember?

00:39:24.000 Otherwise, he probably wouldn't have got paid.

00:39:25.000 Still, how are you going to spike Dan Henderson, the goddamn American beauty?

00:39:28.000 Choked him out, too.

00:39:29.000 I know.

00:39:29.000 How dare you?

00:39:30.000 Dude, this is him versus Josh.

00:39:31.000 Oh, that's Josh Barnett.

00:39:32.000 That's Josh Barnett.

00:39:33.000 It's all three.

00:39:34.000 Josh did have a broken hand in that fight, though.

00:39:36.000 This is Dan Henderson.

00:39:38.000 That's insulting.

00:39:39.000 That's rude.

00:39:40.000 He's just so strong.

00:39:42.000 Look how strong he is.

00:39:43.000 That's Gusvin, who's 6'6".

00:39:46.000 How fucking strong DC is.

00:39:47.000 It's nuts, man.

00:39:48.000 It's not just technique.

00:39:49.000 The technique's amazing.

00:39:50.000 You gotta be so strong to be able to do that to Josh Barnett.

00:39:53.000 That is crazy.

00:39:54.000 He flips him through the air, and he's literally throwing him around like I would throw a 10-year-old.

00:39:59.000 I'm such a DC fan, man.

00:40:00.000 Literally.

00:40:00.000 That's how I throw the tires in the gym, and that's difficult.

00:40:04.000 It's hard.

00:40:04.000 That's difficult.

00:40:05.000 He's such a beast.

00:40:07.000 I'm such a fan.

00:40:07.000 And you know what?

00:40:08.000 I like that fight, man.

00:40:08.000 What's crazy is DC slowly becoming the face of the UFC. He's becoming this world-like star.

00:40:14.000 He's becoming a superstar.

00:40:15.000 I think people are starting to realize, first of all, he's a really good guy.

00:40:19.000 Like a really, really good guy.

00:40:21.000 Like a genuinely good dude.

00:40:21.000 He's beautiful.

00:40:22.000 There's no act.

00:40:23.000 He's a beautiful person.

00:40:24.000 And he's a fucking beast, man!

00:40:26.000 He's so tough!

00:40:28.000 And he throws dudes around, like, right there.

00:40:31.000 We're looking at his highlight reel right now.

00:40:33.000 What did he do to Dan Henderson?

00:40:34.000 He's a fucking insult in D.C. Dude!

00:40:37.000 Look, he gets a hold of Josh Barnett and he's like, nope, dude, I'm going down.

00:40:40.000 I don't give a fuck what you think.

00:40:42.000 Oh, you're the War Master?

00:40:43.000 Very cool.

00:40:43.000 Check that out.

00:40:44.000 Congratulations.

00:40:44.000 You're on your back.

00:40:46.000 It's just how he does it, man.

00:40:47.000 Look at this.

00:40:48.000 Boom!

00:40:49.000 His wrestling is just so many notches above most of the people he fights, which makes you even more fucking impressed with Jon Jones.

00:40:57.000 Oh, dude.

00:40:58.000 That's what makes me even more impressed.

00:41:00.000 Jon Jones took him down.

00:41:01.000 When you bring Jon up to me, it's heavy.

00:41:04.000 It hurts.

00:41:04.000 Fuck.

00:41:05.000 Jon took him down.

00:41:06.000 Jon took him down.

00:41:07.000 If I had one of those men in black things where I'd erase people's memories, I'd erase everyone's Jon's fights.

00:41:12.000 Dude, you can't erase the best.

00:41:14.000 He's the best.

00:41:15.000 I know, but it's like...

00:41:17.000 You look at his performances, like, the fact that he was...

00:41:20.000 Think about how goddamn good DC is.

00:41:23.000 And think of John head-kicking him and stunning him and then putting him away.

00:41:26.000 And remember, in the first fight, John took him down.

00:41:29.000 Took him down!

00:41:29.000 First round!

00:41:30.000 And there's a picture of DC literally like, oh shit, he's getting double-egged.

00:41:33.000 Yeah, well, he said after the fight, he really underestimated how strong he was.

00:41:37.000 Oh, my God.

00:41:37.000 John's on many levels.

00:41:40.000 Many levels past what most people understand.

00:41:43.000 And you think about all the distractions, all the shit that guy's been through, and he still is able to perform at that level.

00:41:49.000 All the crazy shit.

00:41:50.000 Almost went to jail.

00:41:51.000 Fucking crashing into a pregnant lady's car.

00:41:54.000 All the fucking craziness, man.

00:41:56.000 Dick pills, cocaine.

00:41:57.000 All of that.

00:41:57.000 I'd be willing to bet if you gave Jon Jones literally like, hey bro, you're gonna have to fight in three days.

00:42:03.000 I would still put my money on Jon to beat anyone in the world.

00:42:06.000 That's how crazy this is.

00:42:07.000 He's something special, man.

00:42:08.000 Jon something special.

00:42:09.000 Depressed, whatever the hell he is, I'll take Jon.

00:42:11.000 He's something special.

00:42:12.000 And you know, you really see it in the fights where he's losing.

00:42:16.000 That's where you see how good he is.

00:42:17.000 But the Gustafson fight, where he barely trained and just showed up and did work.

00:42:21.000 When I say did work, you're talking about one of the greatest light heavyweight fights of all time, and it was a five-round war.

00:42:28.000 And John took over in the last half of the fight.

00:42:31.000 It's nuts, man.

00:42:32.000 And then how about the Vitor fight?

00:42:34.000 He gets his arm basically bent sideways.

00:42:37.000 And then submits Vitor Belfort.

00:42:39.000 And then submits him.

00:42:39.000 Yeah.

00:42:40.000 Gets out of the arm bar, which looks fucking horrific.

00:42:43.000 The arm bar, it's like you see how far it's bent, and you're just thinking about what his elbow must be doing right now, popping and cracking, and he still didn't tap.

00:42:51.000 And then he went on to coach the ultimate fighter, remember?

00:42:54.000 He couldn't use his arm right.

00:42:56.000 Like, one of the reasons why he wanted to coach was because he couldn't train for a while.

00:42:59.000 It's nuts, man.

00:43:00.000 Dude, he wouldn't tap.

00:43:02.000 He's such a monster.

00:43:03.000 He wouldn't tap.

00:43:04.000 He wouldn't tap.

00:43:05.000 He'd get his arm bent sideways.

00:43:06.000 I know a lot of guys do that.

00:43:07.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:43:08.000 But you've got to understand, a lot of guys that are as talented as John can't get through adversity.

00:43:13.000 It's one of the things that makes him special.

00:43:15.000 He thrives in it.

00:43:16.000 Well, yeah, when the chips are down, he's not giving up.

00:43:19.000 There's no giving up.

00:43:20.000 It's not happening.

00:43:21.000 He almost prefers it, though.

00:43:22.000 I think...

00:43:23.000 If you told John Hay on this comeback, we're in a 12-week camp, ease your back, you eat right every day, there's no hookers, there's no dick pills, I don't think it helps him.

00:43:31.000 I think he needs a little bit of chaos.

00:43:33.000 I've known other absolute ultimate winners who need a little bit of chaos.

00:43:37.000 When everything's going perfect, they go, whoa, whoa, whoa, we need to throw a wrench into it.

00:43:40.000 Well, maybe.

00:43:41.000 You might be right.

00:43:42.000 But I just gotta think that just the actual chaos of fighting, if treated correctly, could fill that void while he's doing these training camps.

00:43:51.000 I think he still hasn't reached his potential.

00:43:54.000 I think we may have seen it in a couple of fights where he had a great training camp and he didn't fuck around and he didn't party.

00:44:01.000 He didn't get caught.

00:44:02.000 Yeah.

00:44:03.000 Well, whatever it is.

00:44:03.000 We don't know.

00:44:04.000 I don't know what he's doing.

00:44:05.000 I don't know.

00:44:06.000 I don't know if he goes through cycles of partying.

00:44:08.000 We know he's a wild motherfucker.

00:44:10.000 Self-proclaimed.

00:44:11.000 Self-proclaimed.

00:44:12.000 But you have to be...

00:44:13.000 Self-proclaimed, sir.

00:44:13.000 He says he's a wild motherfucker.

00:44:14.000 We know he's a wild motherfucker.

00:44:18.000 He's also that Wildness is one of the reasons why so fucking good you have to have the whole thing You got to have the whole thing.

00:44:27.000 He is an artist a lot of ways.

00:44:28.000 You got to have the Wildness you got to have the physical talent and you got to have the brain to understand Pathways to be creative to take chances to do things wild risks like flying knees on Shogun or spinning elbows on Stefan Bonner and this is all like when he's fairly new to It's striking, right?

00:44:49.000 You also got to be able to have that bit of craziness where you can only train for two weeks and then still go in there with a world-class athlete like a Ryan Bader or a Gus Finn and still have the confidence to go, I'll figure it out.

00:45:01.000 I know he's been training 12 weeks and he's one of the best in the world.

00:45:04.000 I got this.

00:45:05.000 That's a different switch that 99.9% of professional athletes don't have.

00:45:10.000 But imagine...

00:45:12.000 Full dedication.

00:45:13.000 Full, perfect diet.

00:45:15.000 Nah, why you gotta do that shit, man?

00:45:16.000 Why you gotta do that to the guy?

00:45:17.000 You think he wants that?

00:45:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:45:20.000 I don't know.

00:45:21.000 I gotta let him free like Shamu.

00:45:22.000 Don't put him in the fucking container that people look at him.

00:45:24.000 Let him out in the ocean.

00:45:25.000 Shamu never got released.

00:45:27.000 He didn't know how to live in the wild, bro.

00:45:29.000 Well, all John knows I'd live in the wild.

00:45:31.000 Now you want to toss him into the fucking container and put him in a blazer and some khakis and no dick pills.

00:45:37.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:45:38.000 Like, let him live, man.

00:45:40.000 Is it a crime to take pills and a little coke?

00:45:43.000 Come on!

00:45:44.000 The problem is not that.

00:45:46.000 The problem is, is he getting enough recovery so that he's training enough to reach his full potential?

00:45:52.000 And what is more important?

00:45:53.000 Is that more important?

00:45:55.000 Or is it nurturing the wild nature that lets you do crazy shit?

00:46:01.000 There's a balance.

00:46:01.000 He should be able to do both.

00:46:03.000 Maybe.

00:46:03.000 He's not hurting anyone doing coke or doing dick pills.

00:46:05.000 But as you get older and your body gets more and more tired from war, right?

00:46:09.000 I mean, think the battles that guy's been in.

00:46:11.000 That's the nature of the beast, though.

00:46:12.000 Right.

00:46:12.000 That's everyone.

00:46:13.000 But that's going to be a problem if he's not fully dedicated as time moves forward.

00:46:17.000 Even if you are fully dedicated like a Cain Velasquez, he has a cage around his spine now.

00:46:21.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:46:22.000 Like, no matter what, it's going to take its toll on you.

00:46:25.000 If you perform at your best, you party until 3 in the morning and then show up training drunk, That's your path, man.

00:46:32.000 We shouldn't put these guys in boxes and force them to live like this and you have to do this and this is the way to do it.

00:46:38.000 John goes, that's not my way, man.

00:46:40.000 Oh, really?

00:46:41.000 It's not?

00:46:41.000 No, I'm actually undefeated.

00:46:43.000 Yeah, my only loss is to Mark Hamill from whooping his ass so bad.

00:46:46.000 It's true.

00:46:47.000 That's my only loss.

00:46:48.000 So you wanted me to do what?

00:46:49.000 I gotta act like the rest of these guys?

00:46:50.000 That's not fair, man.

00:46:51.000 It's bullshit.

00:46:53.000 That's an interesting perspective.

00:46:54.000 I like what you're saying.

00:46:56.000 Not everyone fits into these boxes that they want to put him in.

00:46:59.000 He's not hurting you in what he's doing.

00:47:00.000 See, the problem is you hear about someone partying too much and you always wonder, like, man, are they happy?

00:47:06.000 I know, they're trying to fill them.

00:47:07.000 Are they happy out there partying?

00:47:08.000 What are they doing?

00:47:08.000 You ask him while he's high, he's going to say, hell yeah, and the ball's deep in these dime pieces because he's the best fighter in the world.

00:47:13.000 Go ask Michael Irvin, who partied to...

00:47:16.000 Had some legendary parties.

00:47:17.000 The Dallas Cowboys.

00:47:18.000 They had a White House.

00:47:19.000 They called it the White House.

00:47:20.000 All three of them, the most famous players, chipped in on a mansion.

00:47:22.000 They called it the White House.

00:47:23.000 And every week, they would throw the most epic parties of all time.

00:47:26.000 You know what?

00:47:27.000 Some of the best teams of all time.

00:47:29.000 It's true.

00:47:30.000 Why do they check these boxes off?

00:47:32.000 Let them have a little fucking fun.

00:47:33.000 They're not like you 9-5ers.

00:47:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:47:36.000 Yeah, look, you got a real point there.

00:47:40.000 The only argument against it would be if there was someone in his division that was like him, but was dedicated.

00:47:46.000 There's not.

00:47:47.000 There's not right now.

00:47:50.000 There's DC who puts up the best fight with him, but he's lost twice, second time emphatically.

00:47:55.000 And he's dedicated as fuck.

00:47:56.000 Dedicated as fuck, yeah.

00:47:58.000 They don't have to be the same to get in that cage, man.

00:48:00.000 It's not fair.

00:48:01.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:48:02.000 I know.

00:48:03.000 It's an interesting point of view, because, like, is he so talented that he can get away with not training as much as everybody else, or is it just that His ability to say fuck it and his ability to just not give a fuck and be wild is one of his talents.

00:48:23.000 That's a talent that most people don't have.

00:48:25.000 Along with obvious physical talents.

00:48:27.000 Correct.

00:48:28.000 He was born with these God-given talents and he was born with this cowboy attitude.

00:48:31.000 And for him, that works.

00:48:33.000 There's no mental coach.

00:48:34.000 He doesn't need any of that.

00:48:36.000 That's a good point.

00:48:37.000 Yeah, see, it's almost like he needs a Frazier, right?

00:48:41.000 Like, Ali needed a Frazier.

00:48:42.000 Sugar Ray needed Tommy Hearns and Roberta Durant.

00:48:44.000 They need each other.

00:48:45.000 They do.

00:48:46.000 They need each other.

00:48:46.000 To bring out the best.

00:48:48.000 I bet DC did bring out the best in him, and that's what he said, that DC brought out the best in him.

00:48:53.000 But he needs someone else now.

00:48:55.000 He needs someone else.

00:48:55.000 Maybe it's Stipe.

00:48:56.000 Yeah, because if he fights DC again, boy, you can make that fight for sure, especially if DC wins the heavyweight title, but John just KO'd him.

00:49:07.000 In the last fight.

00:49:08.000 It's pretty emphatic.

00:49:09.000 And I know the fighter in D.C. and the winner in D.C. wants that fight again, especially at heavyweight champ.

00:49:15.000 I get that.

00:49:17.000 But as a D.C. fan, I don't want to see that.

00:49:20.000 Some guys just have your number.

00:49:21.000 It's just not in the cards.

00:49:24.000 He's not John's equal.

00:49:26.000 John goes to another level when he fights him.

00:49:27.000 But maybe it's a Stipe.

00:49:29.000 Maybe it's Verdum.

00:49:30.000 I think Verdum, John's a tough fight for John.

00:49:32.000 Stipe's a beast of a fight for him.

00:49:34.000 I'd love to see John versus Francis.

00:49:36.000 Yeah.

00:49:36.000 Maybe there's one of these heavyweights out there who can control, you know, because John's not a knockout artist.

00:49:42.000 So he has to be in there for five rounds with these super heavyweights who hit like a Mack truck.

00:49:46.000 You know, John does get hit, so there's these variations.

00:49:50.000 Isn't that one of the craziest things about John is he's not really a knockout artist?

00:49:53.000 And we love him.

00:49:54.000 But yet he knocked out DC. With a head kick.

00:49:57.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:49:58.000 And DC's impossible to fucking knock out.

00:50:01.000 Yeah.

00:50:01.000 He's never been knocked out.

00:50:02.000 Yeah.

00:50:04.000 Maybe John's sitting on his punches and kicks better now.

00:50:07.000 But what's amazing is how terrifying he is without having ever done that.

00:50:10.000 Or done that, but not done it to the extent of some of the best guys in the division, like Jimmy Manawa or one of those guys.

00:50:16.000 Yeah.

00:50:16.000 Vicious, vicious.

00:50:17.000 Like you don't have that Anthony Johnson power where you're like, oh, if this lands, it's over with John.

00:50:21.000 He's going to slice you up.

00:50:22.000 He's going to break your will.

00:50:24.000 Oh, you're getting wrestling?

00:50:25.000 He's going to wrestle you.

00:50:26.000 Oh, you're a Jiu-Jitsu black belt like Vitor?

00:50:27.000 He's going to submit you.

00:50:28.000 Yeah.

00:50:29.000 Ozdemir hits harder than him.

00:50:30.000 A lot of guys hit harder than him.

00:50:31.000 For sure.

00:50:32.000 Ryan Bader probably hits harder.

00:50:33.000 Look what he did to Ryan Bader.

00:50:34.000 Yeah.

00:50:34.000 Well, he's just a combination of things.

00:50:37.000 You know, fighting spirit, indomitable fighting spirit.

00:50:42.000 It's just that motherfucker does not give up.

00:50:44.000 Crazy wrestling talent, super strong, just knows how to win.

00:50:49.000 And has a checkered past, but when it comes down to it, he might not have a 12-week camp, might not have eight hours of rest, probably didn't eat right, might be balls deep in a whole bag of gummy bears.

00:50:59.000 But when he shows up, he's going to fuck you up.

00:51:01.000 Yeah, he's on another level.

00:51:03.000 It's almost like he needs someone on his level.

00:51:05.000 And there's a few of those guys out there.

00:51:07.000 Is there?

00:51:08.000 Yeah, outliers, man.

00:51:10.000 Outliers.

00:51:10.000 In the sport?

00:51:11.000 We might not see one yet.

00:51:12.000 It might be coming up.

00:51:14.000 It might be a guy that's on the way.

00:51:15.000 He might be emerging a year and a half from now.

00:51:18.000 It's just what happens with these guys.

00:51:19.000 I mean, we can never pretend that the talent that exists today is the only talent that we're going to see in a year from now.

00:51:23.000 It's crazy.

00:51:24.000 And I think those guys, they're gonna be better, man.

00:51:26.000 Everybody's gonna be better.

00:51:27.000 They're all watching Khabib.

00:51:29.000 They're all watching Tony.

00:51:30.000 They're all watching Barboza.

00:51:31.000 They're watching Ben Askren.

00:51:32.000 They're watching all these people.

00:51:33.000 Everybody's just getting better.

00:51:35.000 They're just getting better.

00:51:35.000 But notice, every guy you mention besides Tony is a specialist who's great at one thing.

00:51:40.000 Every guy you just mentioned.

00:51:42.000 There's something to be said for a specialist, man.

00:51:44.000 There's something to be said for a person who's like a Gokhan Saki.

00:51:47.000 You just don't want to fucking stand up with him.

00:51:50.000 It's just too high level.

00:51:52.000 I'd watch him and John.

00:51:53.000 John would take him down.

00:51:54.000 He's not ready for John.

00:51:57.000 I'll pay to watch that guy fight every year.

00:51:59.000 I'll pay to watch him fight anyone in the world.

00:52:01.000 He got hurt, for Christ's sake.

00:52:02.000 But if Gokhan can get his wrestling skills and continue to hone them, he's a guy like a...

00:52:10.000 True, but he's a guy like a Krokop who's so explosive and powerful that if you just get him some takedown defense, it's going to be fucking hard with the cage to take that guy down.

00:52:20.000 Yeah.

00:52:21.000 You know?

00:52:21.000 I mean, Krokop became, like, very short, very quickly, he went from being a guy who fought Vandalay Silva in a special rules match, remember?

00:52:29.000 Beats him standing up, and then he had some deal where he can only go to the ground for, like, 30 seconds or something like that.

00:52:35.000 Some Japanese weird shit, yes.

00:52:36.000 By the time they fight the second time, he destroys him.

00:52:39.000 I mean destroys him.

00:52:40.000 Just beat him senseless and then head kicked him.

00:52:42.000 He fully emerged into that wrestling world.

00:52:44.000 And he also, you know, Verdum, before he was even fighting, was his jiu-jitsu coach.

00:52:49.000 Do you know that?

00:52:49.000 So Verdum was hoping...

00:52:50.000 So was Dean Lister.

00:52:51.000 Yeah, so he brought all these guys in so he could learn the ground.

00:52:55.000 He's also younger than Gokhan at the time.

00:52:57.000 So when I see guys like...

00:52:59.000 And I'm not hating on people.

00:53:00.000 Like, oh, you hate on Francis.

00:53:01.000 No, I don't hate him.

00:53:02.000 What happens is when you're...

00:53:03.000 He's still ranked number one in the world.

00:53:05.000 When you're Francis, you're ranked number one in the world.

00:53:07.000 There's no gimme fights.

00:53:09.000 There's no warm-up.

00:53:10.000 The UFC can't do it.

00:53:11.000 So you're at this level where you don't really have time to make up for it.

00:53:14.000 You can't take three years off at the age of...

00:53:17.000 34 and learn how to wrestle.

00:53:20.000 You don't have that time.

00:53:21.000 You just don't have that time, man.

00:53:23.000 It's a bummer.

00:53:24.000 It's like getting to the NFL, playing for the Patriots, and can only go to the left with routes.

00:53:28.000 And going, ah, I'll try and learn to the right.

00:53:30.000 Like, what are you talking about, man?

00:53:32.000 You can't go both fucking ways.

00:53:34.000 Like, no, but I'll learn.

00:53:35.000 Like, get the fuck out of here.

00:53:36.000 We got someone to do it, man.

00:53:37.000 You know?

00:53:38.000 It's a weird reference.

00:53:39.000 I'm sorry.

00:53:39.000 No, I know what you're saying.

00:53:40.000 It's fucking weird.

00:53:41.000 Jamie might have got it.

00:53:41.000 I know.

00:53:42.000 I know what you're saying.

00:53:43.000 I kind of get it.

00:53:43.000 That high of a level.

00:53:46.000 Yeah, I totally understand.

00:53:48.000 But seeing as this guy, five years ago, couldn't do anything, right?

00:53:53.000 Five years ago, he just gets into MMA. Five years later, he's...

00:53:55.000 Speaking about Francis.

00:53:56.000 Yeah.

00:53:57.000 Five years.

00:53:57.000 In five years, he becomes a number one heavyweight contender, a terrifying...

00:54:02.000 Betting favorite over the champion who, if he wins, breaks the record of the most ever successful title defenses in UFC history.

00:54:10.000 So even though he's won two title fights in a row against world-class competition...

00:54:15.000 Still underdog.

00:54:16.000 Fuck you, America.

00:54:18.000 Five years in.

00:54:19.000 So just imagine...

00:54:21.000 If this guy has the kind of appetite for learning and continuing to grow that he showed there, think about GSP. GSP had zero high school wrestling, zero college wrestling, started picking up quick, was training with Russian nationals up in Montreal, did a lot of technical work, learned the basics of it, and as the kind of athlete that GSP is, he just started implementing it, started getting good at it.

00:54:44.000 Francis would have to do something like that.

00:54:47.000 Literally have to.

00:54:48.000 Or, you know, at the heavyweight division, maybe he doesn't and he's just that guy, you know, that he knocks people out and that's what he wants.

00:54:54.000 I don't know.

00:54:54.000 Oh, he wants to be the best, man.

00:54:56.000 But I think that he can be.

00:54:58.000 But there's going to be some guys that are going to be able to take him down.

00:55:01.000 When you say some guys...

00:55:04.000 do it for the next 10 years.

00:55:06.000 He's always going to be able to get taken down.

00:55:08.000 There's a certain level where even if you hire freaking Ben Askin as your coach, he can't teach you enough to make up for those gaps against a DC, against a Cain Velasquez.

00:55:18.000 Not against DC.

00:55:19.000 Even against a Blades, a Curtis Blades, who's a national champion.

00:55:24.000 Curtis Blades is also a big guy.

00:55:26.000 Curtis Blaze is a big athlete.

00:55:28.000 Powerful.

00:55:28.000 Very powerful athlete and really good wrestler.

00:55:31.000 So he's not the same level as Daniel Cormier, but he's a much bigger man.

00:55:35.000 Those shots that he took against Hunt, holy fuck, dude.

00:55:40.000 I was going like this.

00:55:42.000 I was flinching.

00:55:42.000 He's ready to drop.

00:55:43.000 I'm like, he's going to drop.

00:55:44.000 I'm like, God damn, he didn't drop.

00:55:46.000 And then he took him down.

00:55:47.000 I was like, wow.

00:55:48.000 I texted his corner man, Cody Donald, my best friend.

00:55:50.000 I'm like, bro, if you tell him to throw his right hand again, I'm going to fucking bust.

00:55:54.000 He should literally double jab and get into the legs.

00:55:57.000 He needs to quit throwing that slow right hand because Mark Hunt's such a high-level striker.

00:56:01.000 He sees it coming from a mile away.

00:56:03.000 Yeah.

00:56:03.000 It's so amateur.

00:56:05.000 So him and Francis, if you could put those together, you have the best heavyweight of all time.

00:56:09.000 You have one guy who's fucking phenomenal at striking.

00:56:11.000 I know you got phenomenal at wrestling.

00:56:13.000 Can't wrestle, can't strike.

00:56:16.000 You put them together and you got this fucking transformer ninja turtle who just fucking does work.

00:56:22.000 Curtis can strike, he just can't strike.

00:56:24.000 At the same level that Marcon has, but what he can take is a fucking tremendous punch.

00:56:28.000 Which is a huge, huge...

00:56:29.000 For now, for as long as it lasts, right?

00:56:31.000 And will it last against a guy like Francis in the second fight?

00:56:34.000 I'll tell you this, I'd rather be, if I had to pick, I love both guys, I'd rather be in Curtis Blade's shoes than Francis, I will say that.

00:56:41.000 Where I have a grappling background, because what happens if I'm a striker, Francis, I can't control if you want to take me down.

00:56:50.000 Francis can control, I'm sorry, Curtis can control whether the fight goes to the ground or not.

00:56:54.000 He dictates where the fight goes.

00:56:56.000 Francis does not.

00:56:57.000 After the first round.

00:56:58.000 Francis does not.

00:56:59.000 After the first round.

00:57:00.000 The only thing that could change, now here's the thing.

00:57:02.000 Is Francis putting on any weight due to strength training, or is he just that big?

00:57:08.000 He used to fight at 205, you know that?

00:57:10.000 He did?

00:57:10.000 He fought at 205 before?

00:57:12.000 When?

00:57:12.000 When he was like 13. No, I don't know.

00:57:15.000 Look it up, Jamie.

00:57:15.000 I'm pretty sure he used to fight at 205. How is that even possible?

00:57:18.000 I have no idea.

00:57:19.000 He's only been fighting for five years.

00:57:21.000 I'm pretty sure he's fighting at 205. Am I batshit crazy here?

00:57:24.000 205 what?

00:57:26.000 Yeah, 205 in African stones, which is really 265. Do you know what a stone is?

00:57:31.000 Like English, proper English stone.

00:57:32.000 It's so weird.

00:57:32.000 What is it?

00:57:33.000 I think it's like, is it 13?

00:57:35.000 14. 12. 12?

00:57:37.000 I think it's 12. I'm half English, I should know this.

00:57:40.000 How come you don't know that, but we know who your president is?

00:57:44.000 14. Good call, sir.

00:57:46.000 Yeah.

00:57:47.000 Let's not call things in stones, though.

00:57:48.000 It could never be 13. That's an unlucky number.

00:57:50.000 They would never use 13. That's why I said 12. That's good.

00:57:53.000 I was in a hotel the other day.

00:57:55.000 It didn't have a 13th floor.

00:57:56.000 Most of them don't.

00:57:57.000 Most of them don't.

00:57:58.000 Also grow up.

00:57:59.000 We really believe in it.

00:58:00.000 It's so stupid.

00:58:01.000 It's dangerous.

00:58:03.000 It's so stupid.

00:58:03.000 They're coddling to people so bad.

00:58:05.000 Do you take Friday the 13th off, for God's sakes?

00:58:07.000 Oh, I take a while, Todd.

00:58:08.000 It's a dangerous day.

00:58:10.000 God.

00:58:10.000 It's the day of the devil.

00:58:12.000 Hey.

00:58:12.000 No 13th floor.

00:58:16.000 So weird, man.

00:58:18.000 People are super goofy with shit like that.

00:58:20.000 Some people get real goofy.

00:58:22.000 Strange, man.

00:58:23.000 Dude, how about your boy Tyson Pedro?

00:58:25.000 Dude.

00:58:27.000 It's fucking good.

00:58:27.000 Tyson, you have my seat on JRE, by the way, man.

00:58:29.000 Anytime I'm here, you have my seat.

00:58:30.000 Come on down, dude.

00:58:31.000 Yeah, come on down.

00:58:32.000 Come on down.

00:58:32.000 Dude, his show and mine.

00:58:33.000 I'm a huge fucking fan.

00:58:34.000 He's a bad motherfucker, and he's a fun guy, too.

00:58:36.000 Bad motherfucker.

00:58:37.000 Yeah.

00:58:37.000 All of Australians just put on a show.

00:58:40.000 It's an emerging hotspot.

00:58:42.000 Well, it's been a hotspot for a long time.

00:58:44.000 It's been a hotspot, yeah.

00:58:44.000 But Australia...

00:58:46.000 Like John Wayne Parr from Muay Thai, obviously Ray Sefo from New Zealand, and Mark Hunt, and a few other guys too.

00:58:56.000 You've got Robert Whittaker, you're a champion.

00:58:57.000 Yeah, Robert Whittaker, Australian.

00:58:59.000 Yeah, that whole part of the world.

00:59:00.000 Tyson Pedro, Monster, and then the heavyweight, the big heavyweight, forget his name, he fought in Monster.

00:59:05.000 Dan Hangman from New Zealand.

00:59:07.000 Yeah, man.

00:59:08.000 They got a lot of monsters.

00:59:09.000 It's killers.

00:59:09.000 You got killers there.

00:59:10.000 Have you done shows in Australia?

00:59:11.000 Yeah, I had a good time, man.

00:59:13.000 Such a great place to do.

00:59:14.000 I did Melbourne.

00:59:15.000 What's up there?

00:59:16.000 UFC weigh-ins for Rangano.

00:59:19.000 Okay, so he started at 250. Well, no, I'm saying...

00:59:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:59:22.000 But that's the best I could find.

00:59:23.000 Yeah.

00:59:25.000 I'm most positive someone told me he spent at 205. How is that possible?

00:59:28.000 Because that would mean he put on 50 pounds in, like, two years?

00:59:34.000 Is that possible?

00:59:35.000 Uh-oh.

00:59:36.000 Skeptical face.

00:59:37.000 I'm not saying anything.

00:59:38.000 What are you saying?

00:59:39.000 I'm saying when he was 12, he fought at 205. Are you not saying anything you're saying?

00:59:43.000 When he was 8, he fought at 205. When he was 8, he fought at 185. I know what the fuck you're saying, dude.

00:59:48.000 No, I promise you I'm not saying that.

00:59:49.000 I would never do that to that man.

00:59:50.000 No, what the fuck you're saying.

00:59:51.000 Who said that he thought he was like 40 years old?

00:59:53.000 He was lying about his age.

00:59:54.000 Somebody said that.

00:59:55.000 Someone did say that to us.

00:59:57.000 Is that Derek?

00:59:57.000 It's probably Derek Lewis because he's so funny.

00:59:59.000 No, Derek didn't say that, did he?

01:00:00.000 Did he?

01:00:01.000 No.

01:00:01.000 Derek's fighting this weekend.

01:00:03.000 Who's he fighting?

01:00:03.000 He's fighting that Russian cat.

01:00:06.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

01:00:07.000 God, I want Derek to win.

01:00:09.000 It's a good fight.

01:00:10.000 He's got a real shot.

01:00:11.000 Then give Derek Francis.

01:00:11.000 Derek Francis.

01:00:11.000 Black on black crime.

01:00:12.000 What's up, Black Panther?

01:00:15.000 Sick fight.

01:00:16.000 Derek's a beast, man.

01:00:17.000 I like watching him fight.

01:00:18.000 He was talking about retiring.

01:00:21.000 Okay, yeah.

01:00:22.000 Marcin Tibura.

01:00:23.000 Yeah, why did he want to retire?

01:00:25.000 I don't know.

01:00:27.000 Goddamn, they're still pushing Sage Northcote on us, huh?

01:00:31.000 He's learning and growing.

01:00:33.000 Kids only 18 years old.

01:00:35.000 Why are you mad about Sage Northcote?

01:00:36.000 I'm not mad at his haircut.

01:00:38.000 I'm not mad at Sage.

01:00:39.000 I think he's a phenomenal athlete.

01:00:40.000 Do you know I like pretty boys?

01:00:41.000 No, I mean, he's a pretty dude.

01:00:43.000 Is that what it is?

01:00:44.000 He's a twink is what we call him.

01:00:45.000 So if he was Mexican, would you be cool with him fighting?

01:00:48.000 No.

01:00:49.000 A Mexican karate guy?

01:00:50.000 They're just forcing him on me.

01:00:51.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:00:52.000 Like, alright, alright, I'm in, man.

01:00:54.000 I would love to see him and see him punk, I gotta be honest.

01:00:56.000 I mean, he's the first fight on the main card.

01:00:58.000 Is that really forcing him on you?

01:01:00.000 No, I get it.

01:01:01.000 It's like the Paige Van Zandt stuff.

01:01:02.000 We get it.

01:01:03.000 They're good looking.

01:01:04.000 Cute?

01:01:04.000 Yeah, they're cuties.

01:01:06.000 They're cuties.

01:01:06.000 Hey, all honesty.

01:01:07.000 It's just me and you listening.

01:01:08.000 No one's listening.

01:01:10.000 You and CM Punk, if you fought, how fast would you beat him?

01:01:13.000 I'm not even asking if you would beat him because I'm not going to insult you.

01:01:15.000 How fast would you?

01:01:16.000 Look at me.

01:01:18.000 We'll kick his face off.

01:01:19.000 Well, it would certainly be quicker than how badly or how quickly I would fail the drug test.

01:01:27.000 It would never take place.

01:01:29.000 The way I described it, that drug test, I would piss in the cup, they would put it in the machine, and it would go off like...

01:01:36.000 You ever that Bugs Bunny cartoon when they fucking hit the hammer on the toy, and the thing slides up and it hits the bell, the bell goes flying through the air?

01:01:44.000 That's what would happen.

01:01:45.000 You would take the piss test, they'd go, get out.

01:01:47.000 They'd be like, he's on everything.

01:01:49.000 The last time we saw this was Vitor Belfort.

01:01:50.000 Get the fuck out.

01:01:51.000 And he's high right now.

01:01:52.000 Bro, let's say Dana gives you that weird Brock Lesnar exemption.

01:01:56.000 Yeah, not interested.

01:01:58.000 No!

01:01:59.000 I'm saying, man!

01:02:00.000 Yeah, I'm not interested.

01:02:02.000 I wish the guy well, but...

01:02:03.000 Me too, I wish him well.

01:02:04.000 I actually like him as a person.

01:02:06.000 What he's doing, I would have never recommended.

01:02:08.000 I would never recommend you climbing Mount Everest without a guide.

01:02:11.000 I would never recommend you even making an attempt at running a marathon if you've never run a step.

01:02:18.000 And I know that he's had some training.

01:02:20.000 I know he's had some training.

01:02:21.000 But to jump right in to fight in the UFC against a kid like Mickey Gall who's a fucking killer.

01:02:28.000 He's really good on the ground.

01:02:30.000 Way better than you on the ground.

01:02:32.000 The idea that someone would think that that's a good idea.

01:02:36.000 I know it's probably a shit ton of money they gave him, and that's all well and good.

01:02:40.000 Short-sighted.

01:02:40.000 But if you wanted to do it right, this is what you say.

01:02:42.000 You say, listen, dude, we've got to get you an amateur fight against a guy who's, well, he might not be.

01:02:48.000 It depends on what he's trying to do.

01:02:50.000 But if you wanted to get an amateur fight against someone who is of similar skill level and similar experience level, so you feel what it's like to be going after it.

01:03:00.000 Jeff Mayweather on Floyd Mayweather's MMA move, he might actually whoop CM Punk's ass first.

01:03:06.000 Oh!

01:03:07.000 Floyd or CM Punk?

01:03:09.000 I will sell the shit out of that fight.

01:03:11.000 I will be on Showtime going, good to see you, Joe.

01:03:14.000 This is an amazing fight for the fans.

01:03:16.000 We got one hell of a fight coming up.

01:03:18.000 My heart.

01:03:20.000 Be still, my heart.

01:03:21.000 They might do that.

01:03:22.000 They might do it.

01:03:23.000 Oh my god, my heart.

01:03:24.000 And you know I'm going to be involved.

01:03:25.000 My heart.

01:03:26.000 I can't take it.

01:03:28.000 My heart is flying out of my chest.

01:03:30.000 If I saw Floyd Mayweather across from CM Punk, I'd be like, this is not real life!

01:03:37.000 Yes.

01:03:38.000 Dude, that's the fight, right?

01:03:40.000 Well, listen.

01:03:40.000 We know that Floyd can't fight Conor in an MMA fight.

01:03:44.000 I mean, he can.

01:03:45.000 Let's take that out of the equation.

01:03:47.000 He can, but the odds of Conor losing are so astronomically small.

01:03:52.000 Minus 100,000 favorite.

01:03:54.000 Like, whatever the fuck Vegas puts on it, that's cute.

01:03:57.000 I don't care if it's 10 to 1, 100 to 1. I don't think they're going to do that.

01:04:00.000 No, they're like, we don't have odds for this.

01:04:02.000 You guys can't make money off this.

01:04:03.000 Fuck you.

01:04:03.000 I bet it's going to be like 900 to 1. It's going to be something ridiculous.

01:04:07.000 Some Buster Douglas madness.

01:04:10.000 Buster Douglas is only like 42. It's crazy.

01:04:12.000 This is going to be insane.

01:04:15.000 If they're smart.

01:04:16.000 Because Conor's going to kick his legs out.

01:04:18.000 He's not even going to get a chance to come close enough.

01:04:20.000 He can do whatever he wants.

01:04:21.000 Conor's going to kick his fucking legs out.

01:04:24.000 He doesn't have any chance.

01:04:25.000 And then if Conor decides to shoot in and clinch, he's going to clinch and he's going to ragdoll him.

01:04:33.000 Well, he could jump to half guard and literally name a submission.

01:04:37.000 Nine!

01:04:38.000 That's a slap in Conor's face.

01:04:39.000 Nine!

01:04:40.000 Minus 900. Who the fuck made those?

01:04:41.000 Oh, this is nonsense.

01:04:43.000 No, that's a joke.

01:04:43.000 These are real odds?

01:04:46.000 At Bovada?

01:04:47.000 Oh my god.

01:04:48.000 These people are crazy.

01:04:49.000 Can I put my life savings on that?

01:04:51.000 That's the easiest money of all time.

01:04:53.000 They're off by a factor of 10. Listen, if this fight takes place, Floyd doesn't have a chance.

01:05:00.000 What about Floyd CM Punk, though?

01:05:02.000 Now you've got a fight on your hands.

01:05:03.000 Floyd's got a real chance.

01:05:04.000 Yeah, Floyd KO's him.

01:05:06.000 Yeah, Floyd's got a real chance.

01:05:07.000 Unless CM Punk feels out a way.

01:05:10.000 Well, also, CM Punk way bigger.

01:05:12.000 Okay, let's be honest about that.

01:05:14.000 CM Punk is a guy who is wrestling probably like 190 pounds, cut weight to get to 170 to fight in the UFC. You saw that, though, son.

01:05:21.000 Yeah.

01:05:22.000 Well, he's not on anything.

01:05:23.000 I don't think he's on anything.

01:05:25.000 WWE's pretty loosey-goot.

01:05:27.000 WWE is like it.

01:05:28.000 Right, but I'm pretty sure he's, at least according to everybody that I've talked to and everything I've heard about him, he's a real straight edge.

01:05:34.000 No drinking, no drugs, no steroids.

01:05:35.000 Oh, 100%.

01:05:36.000 I'm not saying he is.

01:05:37.000 And he looks like it.

01:05:37.000 He looks like he is.

01:05:38.000 Right now, he is clean as they come.

01:05:39.000 Right, but I think he always was.

01:05:41.000 I really do.

01:05:42.000 And I don't think he's lying.

01:05:43.000 Yeah.

01:05:44.000 That said...

01:05:46.000 Floyd Mayweather is the fucking greatest boxer maybe of all time.

01:05:51.000 At least on paper he is.

01:05:53.000 I mean, with his accomplishments through multiple weight classes, undefeated, 50-0.

01:05:58.000 I don't care if the last fight was Conor McGregor.

01:06:00.000 He's still 50-0.

01:06:02.000 That's fucking insane.

01:06:03.000 Insane.

01:06:04.000 Yeah, dude, he's on another level of everybody who's on another level.

01:06:08.000 What this fight is like, it's like you and your buddies at a bar and Floyd walks in and your buddy goes, who has no background ever, maybe did some performance arts in high school, and you look at him and go, can you beat up Floyd Mayweather?

01:06:19.000 And then you guys find out, you can get punched in the fucking face very fast and multiple times.

01:06:23.000 The question is, can Floyd fight the same way he fights with big gloves, with MMA gloves?

01:06:30.000 The reason why I say this is because Floyd's broken his hand multiple times.

01:06:34.000 He's had some serious surgeries on his hands.

01:06:36.000 Now maybe they've cured it, and maybe it's fine, but we all know that for the longest time, Floyd preferred like a puffier glove when he fought.

01:06:43.000 Yeah, a bigger glove protection.

01:06:46.000 But he hasn't had hand problems in a while, so maybe he did fix it, and his hands looked fucking great against Conor.

01:06:51.000 How many pay-per-views does CM Punk Floyd do?

01:06:53.000 And where do we stop?

01:06:55.000 This is where you gotta come in and cut this shit out.

01:06:57.000 Because I heard Morgan Freeman throws a mean sidekick.

01:07:00.000 He could sell pay-per-views.

01:07:01.000 Do we fucking sign him up?

01:07:03.000 Yeah, man.

01:07:04.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

01:07:04.000 George Clooney?

01:07:06.000 No, Larry King.

01:07:07.000 Morgan Freeman vs.

01:07:09.000 Larry King.

01:07:09.000 To the death.

01:07:10.000 They're going to die no matter what.

01:07:11.000 Someone's dying.

01:07:12.000 Someone is dying before they make the change.

01:07:14.000 Once they start swinging, we might lose them both.

01:07:17.000 Good God, man.

01:07:19.000 It's crazy.

01:07:20.000 It's crazy we're even talking about it.

01:07:21.000 It's crazy there's odds of Conor vs.

01:07:23.000 Floyd in a mixed martial arts match.

01:07:25.000 And you know what else is crazy?

01:07:26.000 Floyd's actually considering it.

01:07:28.000 Floyd's talking to Espinosa at Showtime about an MMA fight.

01:07:31.000 I think he's going to make a half a billion dollars.

01:07:33.000 Me too.

01:07:34.000 I'd fight anyone on this planet.

01:07:36.000 I'd fight Francis Khabib in the same night for half a billion dollars.

01:07:39.000 Half a billion.

01:07:40.000 It's really possible.

01:07:42.000 I mean, they really might rake it in with that fight.

01:07:46.000 Floyd might be willing to do it.

01:07:50.000 Imagine if they made a deal to do two.

01:07:53.000 He goes, alright, I'll tell you one more MMA. Well, I'll do one MMA and one more boxing.

01:07:57.000 God, just...

01:07:58.000 Woo!

01:07:59.000 And you know there's a market for it.

01:08:00.000 I guess I'll fuck him up again!

01:08:01.000 And you know there's a market for it.

01:08:02.000 Dude, that would be crazy money.

01:08:03.000 And the actual MMA heads are turning over in their graves.

01:08:06.000 They fucking hate this.

01:08:07.000 I think you could sell it.

01:08:08.000 I think if Conor decided to give, like, five, six months for a training camp, Conor McGregor in talks over a stunning $500 million rematch with Floyd Mayweather.

01:08:19.000 Ha ha ha!

01:08:20.000 Ah!

01:08:22.000 That's crazy.

01:08:23.000 I can't wait.

01:08:24.000 Get your money, man.

01:08:25.000 I can't wait.

01:08:25.000 Get your fucking money.

01:08:26.000 I cannot wait.

01:08:28.000 But I would say CM Punk, because this is what happens.

01:08:32.000 CM Punk over Floyd?

01:08:34.000 CM Punk would have to figure out how to get the takedown.

01:08:37.000 If they could agree to me at like 160, something like that, maybe CM Punk would make 160. Dude, if I'm CM Punk, I tell Duke Rufus, take this one out, and I army crawl over to Floyd, because he can't kick him in the face, and I just get ahold of his leg.

01:08:48.000 It's a complete shit show.

01:08:50.000 And I fucking just sweep his knee, that little tiny scrawny ankles out, and I crawl on top mount, and they stop the fight.

01:08:57.000 What if Floyd Mayweather knows karate?

01:09:00.000 We'll kick his head off?

01:09:01.000 Seriously, what if we've never seen it before, he's been hiding it behind closed doors, and then he comes out sideways and starts throwing sidekicks, and you're like, no!

01:09:10.000 And C.Punk goes, fuck!

01:09:13.000 Can you imagine if Floyd starts throwing perfect Muay Thai leg kicks?

01:09:17.000 Swap!

01:09:17.000 This is like me and my buddy in sixth grade talking about crazy fucking mutants fighting in Street Fighter.

01:09:23.000 But let me ask you this, in all honesty.

01:09:26.000 You and I are grown men.

01:09:26.000 If you are a world championship boxer, you're gonna be exposed to a certain amount of kickboxers.

01:09:33.000 Wouldn't you say, hey man, show me how to do that?

01:09:36.000 How do I do that?

01:09:37.000 And what part of the leg you hit?

01:09:38.000 Messing around, yeah.

01:09:39.000 Like right here?

01:09:40.000 Oh shit, that hurts!

01:09:41.000 Yeah.

01:09:42.000 Oh shit, now show me how to do it.

01:09:43.000 Show him how to do it on the back.

01:09:44.000 I kinda like Floyd Mayweather pick up kicks like that.

01:09:47.000 Mastermind.

01:09:47.000 The way that he can punch.

01:09:48.000 One of the smartest people I've ever been around.

01:09:49.000 The way he learns how to dig his body into things, he just transfer that to his legs.

01:09:53.000 Brilliant.

01:09:53.000 And he would start snapping front kicks on people, roundhouse kicks.

01:09:56.000 Next thing you know, you can't get close enough.

01:09:59.000 You know what?

01:09:59.000 This sounds like the movie of Kickboxer.

01:10:01.000 Like CM Punk's warming up in his locker room.

01:10:03.000 They hear this...

01:10:03.000 And he goes over.

01:10:07.000 It's Floyd just on the thing.

01:10:08.000 Kicking like Pete Spratt.

01:10:10.000 And CM Punk's going, what the fuck?

01:10:12.000 No one told me this.

01:10:13.000 Dude, remember Pete Spratt?

01:10:15.000 Pete Spratt had some vicious kicks.

01:10:16.000 He's a monster, man.

01:10:18.000 God, I forgot about Pete.

01:10:20.000 He's a monster for a long time.

01:10:21.000 He would hurt your fucking legs, man.

01:10:24.000 Pete Sprout's another dude, like when you watch him kick the pads, he'd be like, yikes.

01:10:27.000 Yes, there's certain guys.

01:10:29.000 Yikes.

01:10:30.000 No one that I've ever seen kick anything other than a person may be more terrified than watching Pedro Hizzo kick a heavy bag one day.

01:10:37.000 Well, that's fucking Rennie Couture about it.

01:10:40.000 Dude, I'm telling you, I've seen a lot of powerful guys kick a heavy bag.

01:10:44.000 It sounds different.

01:10:47.000 Like, I've seen Maurice Smith kick the fucking heavy bag, dude.

01:10:50.000 Maurice Smith's another one.

01:10:51.000 Terrifying.

01:10:52.000 Boom!

01:10:53.000 Powerful kicks.

01:10:54.000 Powerful kicks.

01:10:55.000 He showed me a lot of shit.

01:10:57.000 He, like, corrected a lot of things.

01:10:58.000 I had, like, a Taekwondo style of throwing my kicks, and he was showing me a bunch of different ways that he delivers things, dude, and he would kick my bag.

01:11:06.000 Boom!

01:11:07.000 Fuck your bag up.

01:11:08.000 Pedro Hizzo hits twice as hard.

01:11:10.000 Is there anyone like that today who kicks this hard?

01:11:12.000 Dude, Pedro Hizzo would kick the bag at Beverly Hills Jiu-Jitsu and I would just sit there like Macaulay Culkin.

01:11:18.000 He hits so hard, dude!

01:11:21.000 Is there anyone like that that kicks today?

01:11:22.000 Not really.

01:11:23.000 There's not a lot of heavyweights who kick.

01:11:25.000 Well, at that level, Overeem.

01:11:27.000 Name a heavyweight who kicks like that.

01:11:28.000 Overeem can kick like that.

01:11:29.000 Not anymore, really, though.

01:11:31.000 Well, he's having a hard time taking the shots that he used to take.

01:11:33.000 But when he fought Brett Rogers in Strikeforce, that was one of the first things he did, is crack Brett Rogers in the leg.

01:11:42.000 When he fought Brock Lesnar.

01:11:43.000 I mean, that's when he was at his best.

01:11:45.000 That's true.

01:11:46.000 When he body kicked Brock Lesnar.

01:11:47.000 Yeah, dude, he's just been through the ringer, man.

01:11:49.000 You gotta think of him.

01:11:50.000 He's still doing it, man.

01:11:51.000 He's still doing it?

01:11:52.000 He's still like, good luck beating that dude.

01:11:54.000 He's a nightmare for, you look at the division.

01:11:56.000 He has an amazing ability to, oh, this is horrible.

01:11:59.000 He kicks this dude, this poor dude, oh no, he's gonna kick his leg.

01:12:02.000 Oh, he made him get rid of the bag?

01:12:03.000 No, don't do it.

01:12:04.000 Don't do it.

01:12:05.000 Don't let him do it, man.

01:12:07.000 Tell me he breaks his leg.

01:12:08.000 Oh, he probably would.

01:12:09.000 Forrest Griffin broke a dude's leg doing this.

01:12:11.000 Watch this.

01:12:11.000 He just does this.

01:12:13.000 Just touches it.

01:12:15.000 That dude got a terrible charlie horse from him just touching him.

01:12:18.000 See if you can find a video of Pedro Hizzo kicks the heavy bag.

01:12:22.000 It's got to be a video.

01:12:24.000 That's it?

01:12:25.000 You can kick him.

01:12:26.000 Google the Randy Couture fight.

01:12:28.000 Randy has a permanent death.

01:12:29.000 Oh, here it is.

01:12:30.000 This guy's going to hold the pad.

01:12:32.000 Pedro's jacked.

01:12:33.000 Watch this shit.

01:12:35.000 The fucking power.

01:12:37.000 Oh!

01:12:38.000 Shit!

01:12:39.000 That guy flew through the air and landed on his back.

01:12:42.000 Look at this.

01:12:43.000 Boom!

01:12:44.000 That guy said, I'm doing it for the grams, son.

01:12:46.000 Dude, come on.

01:12:48.000 God, he needed views so bad.

01:12:50.000 He took a leg kick.

01:12:51.000 I'm telling you, man.

01:12:52.000 I've never seen anybody kick a bag harder.

01:12:55.000 No, I ain't doing that.

01:12:55.000 When I saw him thudding into that bag, I was just imagining my whole body shutting down.

01:13:00.000 Like, one of those leg kicks.

01:13:02.000 Your whole body would just go...

01:13:03.000 That ain't for you.

01:13:05.000 Damn it!

01:13:06.000 On a smaller scale, I guess maybe Barboza.

01:13:10.000 Barboza is an accumulation guy.

01:13:13.000 He definitely could knock you out with one shot.

01:13:14.000 He has great kicks, though.

01:13:16.000 He's got more dexterity, for sure.

01:13:18.000 He can do more different things.

01:13:19.000 Wheel kicks.

01:13:21.000 And his switch kick is just fucking insane.

01:13:24.000 What Pedro did harder than anybody was leg kicks.

01:13:27.000 Barboza is the only guy that's ever stopped someone twice.

01:13:29.000 He stopped two different guys.

01:13:30.000 Monster, man.

01:13:31.000 Yeah.

01:13:32.000 How about, I would love to see, and it's starting to come out now, Dos Anjos-Woodley.

01:13:36.000 Dude.

01:13:36.000 That's the fight.

01:13:37.000 I know Woodley wants a super fight and probably deserves it.

01:13:40.000 What the fuck is going on with Woodley and Dana White?

01:13:43.000 I don't know, call your brother.

01:13:44.000 Calling each other liars and some craziness.

01:13:47.000 I thought the, I thought...

01:13:49.000 I was talking to Woodley and I thought I was going to get the Diaz fight, which is a good fight.

01:13:52.000 It's a great fight.

01:13:53.000 Yeah, but here's the deal.

01:13:55.000 It doesn't make sense.

01:13:56.000 You know, numerically, rankings, but fuck rankings these days.

01:14:01.000 They don't really count.

01:14:02.000 You look who votes for him.

01:14:04.000 Right.

01:14:04.000 It doesn't really count.

01:14:05.000 Belts don't matter.

01:14:06.000 So it's all about super fights these days, which is unfortunate.

01:14:09.000 For Woodley, though, that's why he wants the super fight.

01:14:11.000 Well, why wouldn't you?

01:14:12.000 You'd have to be crazy to not.

01:14:13.000 That's how you make money.

01:14:14.000 That's why you make money.

01:14:15.000 That's why you guys want it.

01:14:15.000 And that's a big fight.

01:14:16.000 You have Nate Diaz fighting him.

01:14:18.000 And here's the thing.

01:14:19.000 Both guys, whether it's Nate Diaz or Dos Anjos, are going to provide the kind of fight that I think Tyron needs.

01:14:25.000 Me too.

01:14:26.000 Because I think Tyron fought two super difficult guys.

01:14:29.000 Fought Damian Maia, which you cannot take to the ground.

01:14:31.000 And then he fought Wonderboy Thompson, who's super awkward.

01:14:34.000 Two fights where there wasn't the kind of action that everybody wanted, but really the only way to successfully fight Wonderboy.

01:14:42.000 Yeah, you can't hate on Woodley.

01:14:43.000 But Woodley gets a bad rap, and you look at his track record, how many times he fought last year and defended the title, and his finishes, and the quickest knockout in the division.

01:14:51.000 He's a monster, but he gets this hate because you're only as good as your last fight.

01:14:55.000 So you have the Maya fight, which house are you going to fight, Maya, man?

01:14:58.000 And again, the Thompson fights.

01:15:00.000 He tore his shoulder early in the fight.

01:15:02.000 But I agree, Dos Santos ain't going to bring it, which is exactly what Woodley needs, man.

01:15:07.000 100%.

01:15:08.000 Dos Anjos is a dangerous fight for anybody.

01:15:10.000 If I'm Woodley, I take that fight because you need it.

01:15:13.000 If you don't fight, you're out of the public eye.

01:15:15.000 Especially the fight fans.

01:15:16.000 You can be in all the movies you want.

01:15:17.000 You can do that TMZ show.

01:15:19.000 That's not moving the needle, man.

01:15:20.000 You gotta fight.

01:15:21.000 But for Dos Anjos, it's a super dangerous fight because he's gotta get inside that danger zone where Tyron could put anybody to sleep.

01:15:28.000 You gotta think, Tyron is the only guy out of all...

01:15:30.000 I mean, Matt Brown beat the shit out of Wonderboy, but that was early in Wonderboy's career.

01:15:33.000 And also, the word was that Wonderboy came into that fight overtrained.

01:15:37.000 Uh-huh.

01:15:37.000 He was working on his wrestling, working on his take-down defense.

01:15:40.000 He was flat going into the fight.

01:15:41.000 And Matt Brown's just a fucking animal, right?

01:15:44.000 Other than that, no one else has really hurt him except for Tyron.

01:15:48.000 And in both of those fights, you've got to think, Wonderboy's the big-time striker and one of the best kickboxers to ever fight in MMA, especially that American karate style, sideways style.

01:15:56.000 One of the best strikers ever in the UFC. Phenomenal.

01:15:58.000 There's already been he might be the best, but yeah.

01:16:01.000 Phenomenal.

01:16:01.000 Top of the food chain.

01:16:02.000 Top three.

01:16:03.000 Woodley hurts him.

01:16:04.000 Blast him in the face.

01:16:05.000 Twice.

01:16:06.000 Both fights.

01:16:06.000 Both fights, Woodley's the one who almost wins by stoppage.

01:16:10.000 You've got to respect that.

01:16:11.000 That's incredible that he was able to catch him.

01:16:13.000 It's incredible that he has the kind of power that even the fourth round, he could still put a fucking hurting on him and almost put him away.

01:16:19.000 Woodley's a monster.

01:16:20.000 And also remember, Wonderboy beat, ready, Robert Whitaker.

01:16:24.000 Right.

01:16:24.000 Whitaker's last loss.

01:16:26.000 Yep, KO'd him.

01:16:26.000 But that was also Whitaker at 170. He was having a really hard time making that win.

01:16:30.000 I'm just saying, like, that's still fucking...

01:16:30.000 I think that was what prompted him to move up, or one of the fights.

01:16:34.000 One of them.

01:16:35.000 He's like, eh, maybe not.

01:16:36.000 But either way, for, I think, Dos Anjos, I remember Dos Anjos striking out there at Kings with Verdum and those boys, and Rafael Cadero.

01:16:48.000 I'm going to fucking strike.

01:16:49.000 At 70, he's a nightmare.

01:16:51.000 And also, he can grapple, man.

01:16:53.000 Yes.

01:16:53.000 Very dangerous on the ground.

01:16:54.000 Wrestling is dangerous to play with them.

01:16:56.000 Yeah, what he did with Neil Magny, too.

01:16:58.000 It's like, Jesus Christ.

01:16:59.000 Just chews him up.

01:17:00.000 Just chewed him up, man.

01:17:02.000 He's a fucking animal.

01:17:02.000 It's a good fight for Woodley.

01:17:03.000 I wanted to get the DS fight for him personally and get paid, and it's a great matchup for him, but that Dos Angeles fight's a motherfucker.

01:17:09.000 Here's what I think.

01:17:10.000 I think Woodley in any other situation other than that lineup of Damian Maia and two Wonderboy fights.

01:17:17.000 Take those fights out of the equation.

01:17:19.000 You got Robbie Lawler who he starches by knockout.

01:17:22.000 You got Josh Koscheck who he puts into another dimension.

01:17:25.000 You have all these people he's smashing.

01:17:27.000 The Jay Heron fight.

01:17:28.000 I mean you're looking at a smasher.

01:17:30.000 He smashes people.

01:17:32.000 So you give him a couple other fights of people that Are forced to stand with him.

01:17:36.000 I know.

01:17:37.000 People that are in that division, if there was a different lineup of contenders, he would have gone through these fights, and if he had emerged victorious like he did, it would have been an amazing face of the UFC. Yeah, amazing results, right?

01:17:48.000 And he's great on TV, he's a great talker, he's smooth, he's articulate.

01:17:53.000 Great story, bought his mom a house.

01:17:54.000 Yeah, and he's very even.

01:17:56.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:17:56.000 He doesn't have crazy ups and downs when he talks, he's very easy to listen to.

01:18:00.000 I mean, he's got a tremendous belief in himself, but every champion does.

01:18:04.000 They have to.

01:18:05.000 So all he needed was the right kind of matchups.

01:18:08.000 I know those three fights kind of fucked him.

01:18:10.000 Both of these fights we're talking about are that right kind of matchup.

01:18:13.000 They're both the right kind of matchup.

01:18:14.000 Nate Diaz is the right kind of matchup.

01:18:16.000 Nate is going to fucking bring it.

01:18:17.000 That's going to be a crazy fight.

01:18:19.000 And for sure, Dos Anjos is the crazy matchup at 170. And when you remember what Dos Anjos did to Nate at 155, you got to go, you got to give the shot to Dos Anjos.

01:18:29.000 Have to.

01:18:29.000 Especially after Dos Anjos just his last big win, man.

01:18:33.000 Unless...

01:18:35.000 He agrees to step aside for a little piece.

01:18:37.000 Who?

01:18:38.000 Maybe he agrees to step aside.

01:18:40.000 For who?

01:18:41.000 For Nate.

01:18:42.000 Listen, man, I know you guys gotta get that money.

01:18:45.000 Just give me a taste.

01:18:46.000 I'll sit back.

01:18:48.000 Just give me 50. 150. Give me 150. 150 to do nothing.

01:18:54.000 But did you hear Rashad Evans?

01:18:55.000 He thinks Woodley's making a mistake and you know Rashad had the same problem where he was arguing with Dana not focusing on his career.

01:19:02.000 Rashad goes, it'll fuck you up man.

01:19:03.000 You put all this energy into Dana and the business side and you're not taking care of the fight business.

01:19:07.000 That fight business I don't understand so I don't want to judge but I don't You don't want to get involved with that.

01:19:14.000 Unless, and I say this and it's frustrating, but unless you're a Conor McGregor type of draw, there's not a lot to argue with, man.

01:19:23.000 Dana's always going to come out on top.

01:19:25.000 And it's not a knock on Dana.

01:19:27.000 If I'm Dana, I don't know if I run any other way.

01:19:30.000 Right.

01:19:30.000 It's like my show or the highway, my man.

01:19:32.000 What are you going to do?

01:19:33.000 That's the way you run a big, giant-ass business like that.

01:19:36.000 I get it.

01:19:37.000 You're a dictator.

01:19:38.000 Yeah.

01:19:38.000 There's another way to do it.

01:19:39.000 Well, I mean, maybe there's another way to do it, but it hasn't been done before.

01:19:41.000 It's possible.

01:19:43.000 I don't have any experience in it.

01:19:46.000 I don't want to talk about shit that I don't have any experience in.

01:19:48.000 I like talking about shit I don't know about.

01:19:50.000 I know there's a lot of nightmares, scenarios that they've encountered on both sides.

01:19:55.000 But I think that I just would never want to have arguments with the fighters.

01:19:59.000 I feel like, especially calling each other liars and shit, it just seems crazy to me.

01:20:05.000 It seems crazy for both people.

01:20:07.000 I'd be like, It doesn't help anyone.

01:20:09.000 No.

01:20:09.000 Because if you're Dana, you go, he's a fucking liar.

01:20:11.000 I don't know what he's talking about.

01:20:12.000 He's a boring fighter.

01:20:13.000 Well, he makes you money.

01:20:14.000 You're diminishing your product.

01:20:16.000 And if you're Woodley, you go, you're a fucking liar.

01:20:18.000 You told me I was going to donate Diaz.

01:20:19.000 But that's part of his appeal.

01:20:21.000 Now Dana goes, all right, well, now I don't want to look like a complete dick and liar, so I'm not giving you that fight.

01:20:27.000 I said I didn't want to do it.

01:20:28.000 Maybe I told you behind closed doors we're going to do it.

01:20:30.000 You just called me out in public.

01:20:32.000 Well, now I can't go back on my word.

01:20:33.000 You're not getting that fight.

01:20:34.000 Well, I think they probably brought it up to him.

01:20:37.000 That's what they're saying.

01:20:39.000 Dana said a lawyer brought it up.

01:20:41.000 Oh.

01:20:42.000 He said a UFC lawyer who's very invested in UFC and makes a lot of matches, a lot of calls.

01:20:46.000 The name slips my mind right now.

01:20:48.000 A lawyer brought it up?

01:20:48.000 A lawyer who works for the UFC actually tried making the fight happen.

01:20:52.000 That's weird that you say that because he said that the lawyers contacted Tyron and told him to stop saying that.

01:20:59.000 Well, I'm sure after he gave him the offer and Dana goes, what the fuck?

01:21:03.000 Take that out.

01:21:04.000 I don't know.

01:21:04.000 I don't know how that works.

01:21:06.000 Me neither.

01:21:06.000 I don't know.

01:21:07.000 But the point is...

01:21:08.000 When he was on your show, did he talk about it at all?

01:21:09.000 No.

01:21:10.000 I don't think it had been brought up then.

01:21:12.000 You know, he had just gone through shoulder surgery.

01:21:15.000 He just had his labrum fixed.

01:21:16.000 Yeah.

01:21:17.000 Which is another thing, like, hey man, how long does that take to fix?

01:21:19.000 You gotta make sure that shit gets fixed right.

01:21:21.000 Yeah, it's due in July.

01:21:23.000 Yeah, I mean, hopefully it'll be done, right?

01:21:25.000 But that's four or five months.

01:21:27.000 It's touch and go with shoulder injuries.

01:21:29.000 You really don't know.

01:21:30.000 Especially his style.

01:21:31.000 That shoulder needs to be 100%.

01:21:32.000 He's a fucking exploder.

01:21:35.000 Correct.

01:21:35.000 He explodes on that Jay Heron fight when he storms forward and fucking throws that giant overhand right.

01:21:42.000 Like, woo!

01:21:43.000 That's a fucking explosion.

01:21:47.000 Yeah, because they were going to try to make him come back quicker because they were trying to fill that UFC 222. Because you got Frankie and Ortega, right?

01:21:56.000 And then Cyborg versus a girl we've never heard of.

01:21:59.000 One thing, though, he's like super proactive on his recovery.

01:22:02.000 He's talking about PRP and stem cells.

01:22:05.000 He's a professional, man.

01:22:06.000 Tyrone's a complete professional.

01:22:08.000 Woodley is as professional as they get.

01:22:09.000 As they get.

01:22:10.000 And I also think he's probably going to be smart about it if it's not 100%.

01:22:14.000 So maybe he's planning for it to be 100%, and maybe they're a few months out.

01:22:18.000 If it's not, they could always readjust.

01:22:20.000 But he also has other forks in the fire where he goes, you know, I got the UFC Tonight gig, I got this TMZ Sports show, so he can force my hand, but I got these other gigs over here too.

01:22:32.000 He's smart, and he's also got his YouTube thing that he does, you know, Champ Life.

01:22:36.000 He does his own...

01:22:37.000 Oh, it's like an embedded thing?

01:22:38.000 Yep, he does his own...

01:22:40.000 What is it?

01:22:40.000 Is it called Champ Life?

01:22:41.000 I think it's called Champ Life.

01:22:43.000 Find out what it is.

01:22:44.000 I'm pretty sure Tyron Woodley's show is called Champ Life.

01:22:47.000 Which is smart.

01:22:47.000 You gotta do your thing.

01:22:49.000 Very smart.

01:22:50.000 He means diversifying his output.

01:22:53.000 It's very smart.

01:22:54.000 Well, I think a lot of guys are learning from you.

01:22:56.000 A lot of guys are learning from you.

01:22:58.000 I mean, they gotta realize that you're funny.

01:23:01.000 Bitch, you better be funny, too.

01:23:02.000 Champ life.

01:23:03.000 That's it.

01:23:03.000 The champ life.

01:23:04.000 Tyron Woodley.

01:23:05.000 But I think it's smart to try to make some sort of a transition.

01:23:08.000 What separates you from a lot of these guys is you're very funny.

01:23:11.000 And that's...

01:23:12.000 You either are or you aren't.

01:23:15.000 I don't know if Tyron's that funny.

01:23:16.000 But he's definitely a bad motherfucker.

01:23:19.000 And I want to see what he's up to.

01:23:20.000 I think that's interesting.

01:23:22.000 I think that these kind of shows...

01:23:24.000 Look, would you want to watch some kid electrify dead rats?

01:23:27.000 Or do you want to watch how the baddest motherfuckers That's such a great reference.

01:23:30.000 170 in the world lives his life.

01:23:34.000 Don't you want to watch that guy train?

01:23:36.000 The fuck is that guy doing?

01:23:38.000 He's electrocuting dead rats after being suspended.

01:23:41.000 My bad, my bad.

01:23:42.000 Alright, check this out though.

01:23:43.000 Tyron Woodley's fucking everybody up on the planet.

01:23:46.000 I mean, wouldn't you want to watch that?

01:23:47.000 That, to me, is the guy...

01:23:49.000 It's a fine line, though.

01:23:50.000 And I like what Woodley's doing, stuff like that.

01:23:52.000 And you have to have almost another team control it.

01:23:55.000 You know, with Frankie.

01:23:56.000 Frankie has the UFC gym.

01:23:57.000 He has all these other business endeavors.

01:23:59.000 He goes, I don't deal with it at all.

01:24:00.000 I have a team who deals with it.

01:24:01.000 I focus on fighting.

01:24:02.000 Because for Woodley, he's very hands-on.

01:24:04.000 That's what made him world champion.

01:24:05.000 And if you're not focused on things...

01:24:07.000 And I said this to Cowboy.

01:24:08.000 I said, what do you think...

01:24:11.000 Darren Till was doing when you're on these movie sets, man.

01:24:13.000 He's kicking bags.

01:24:15.000 He's thinking about beating you.

01:24:17.000 It's a fine line.

01:24:18.000 It's a super fine line.

01:24:19.000 You don't see the NFL athletes or the NBA athletes trying all these other avenues because they're making banks so they don't have to do it.

01:24:26.000 Anything is distracting.

01:24:28.000 Anything that you have to do...

01:24:29.000 It's taken away from your art.

01:24:30.000 If you've ever been on a movie set before, have you ever done a movie?

01:24:33.000 I've been on set, yes.

01:24:34.000 You've been on set when you did those shows that you and Callum did together.

01:24:37.000 It's a lot of fucking work, man.

01:24:39.000 It takes a long time.

01:24:39.000 We wrote all those, so it was even more work.

01:24:41.000 But yeah, when you're on set, it's hurry up and wait.

01:24:43.000 You're not doing anything else.

01:24:44.000 Right.

01:24:44.000 And if you are a guy who has to be in shape for a world title fight or a world-class fight like that, like anybody trying to do a movie before a big fight, man, you better spend a lot of time to get back in shape.

01:24:55.000 Look at Ronda.

01:24:55.000 I hate to go back to old Punt, but you look at Ronda, it's just...

01:24:59.000 You have the wrong people in the air, and oh, you can do this, you can do this, and now WME controls UFC, and we'll put you in this movie, we'll put you in this movie.

01:25:05.000 God, I don't know, man.

01:25:07.000 You gotta strike where the iron's hot.

01:25:08.000 You know what's really interesting, man, is how many times that story repeats itself over and over again.

01:25:13.000 I mean, that's the theme in Rocky.

01:25:14.000 Always, man.

01:25:14.000 Remember?

01:25:15.000 Before Rocky fights Clubber Lang, he's getting all soft and shit, and he's in movies and shit, he's in movies with Hulk Hogan.

01:25:21.000 Remember that?

01:25:21.000 Yeah.

01:25:22.000 I mean, all this crazy shit.

01:25:24.000 Was it a movie with Hulk Hogan, or it was a TV show?

01:25:26.000 It was an exhibition?

01:25:27.000 Exhibition, yeah.

01:25:28.000 Me and him are going to move around.

01:25:31.000 And then Hulk's all serious.

01:25:34.000 Dude, wrestlers are no joke, man.

01:25:37.000 You could say all you want that wrestling is fake.

01:25:40.000 I'm into WWE now.

01:25:41.000 But the fucking athleticism those guys have and the toughness to slam each other around like that every night.

01:25:48.000 And they work like 300 nights a year, man.

01:25:50.000 It's a monster.

01:25:51.000 He threw Stallone into the fucking crowd.

01:25:55.000 How jacked is Hulk, though?

01:25:57.000 Now, who's catching Stallone?

01:25:58.000 Is it a team of stuntmen, you think?

01:26:00.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:26:00.000 They must have practiced that shit.

01:26:02.000 You know what?

01:26:02.000 That looks like a dummy.

01:26:04.000 That's not a real person.

01:26:05.000 What?

01:26:05.000 That looks like a fake person.

01:26:07.000 Is it?

01:26:07.000 I thought, but it has to be him.

01:26:08.000 There's no way they could have pulled that off.

01:26:09.000 You don't think so in the 80s?

01:26:11.000 No, I don't think so, man.

01:26:12.000 You look at the body.

01:26:12.000 That shit's real.

01:26:13.000 I don't know, fellas.

01:26:14.000 That's not rubbery enough.

01:26:16.000 Let's find a video.

01:26:17.000 And his legs adjust in mid-air, man.

01:26:19.000 You can tell the difference between someone's legs adjusting and they're not adjusting.

01:26:23.000 Yeah, you might be right.

01:26:24.000 I had a buddy do a movie with Rocky, and they said Sylvester Stallone will tell real fight stories from his movies, like they're actual fights.

01:26:34.000 But I remember when I was in there with Hulk Hogan, I remember through this left and I saw the Cormier and I was like, not today.

01:26:41.000 What?

01:26:42.000 Yeah.

01:26:42.000 What?

01:26:42.000 He's so, like, in that fight world.

01:26:45.000 And he'll talk about his old fight scenes like they were actual fights.

01:26:48.000 But is he doing it for fun?

01:26:50.000 Or does he really think that they fought...

01:26:54.000 Here's the thing.

01:26:55.000 When a guy gets old enough and they get famous for saying crazy shit, that's definitely him.

01:26:59.000 He adjusts.

01:27:00.000 He lifts forward when he throws him in.

01:27:02.000 He pulls his head back away from the ground.

01:27:04.000 Hulk was my favorite.

01:27:06.000 Dude, I ran into Hulk Hogan once.

01:27:07.000 I met Hulk Hogan when I did the UFC. I had to interview him once.

01:27:11.000 And it was one of the funnest fucking interviews of my life.

01:27:14.000 First of all, I couldn't believe I'm sitting there talking to Hulk Hogan.

01:27:16.000 But he's pumping up wrestling.

01:27:18.000 And so I got fucking super pumped up about it.

01:27:20.000 I got jazzed up.

01:27:21.000 Hell yeah.

01:27:22.000 Mugging for the camera.

01:27:23.000 It was so stupid, but it was one of the funnest times I've ever had ever interviewed anybody.

01:27:27.000 They're showmen, dude.

01:27:28.000 Oh, look at you, man.

01:27:30.000 Sports and entertainment.

01:27:32.000 Huge personality.

01:27:33.000 The one and only.

01:27:34.000 What's up, brother?

01:27:36.000 Welcome aboard, sir.

01:27:36.000 How are you?

01:27:37.000 Thank you, my brother.

01:27:38.000 You know, to be here with Joe Mania, it doesn't get any better than this, brother.

01:27:43.000 These guys are going to war out here.

01:27:45.000 It's unbelievable.

01:27:46.000 Now, you've been in some MMA fights before.

01:27:48.000 Are you a UFC fan?

01:27:49.000 Oh, I'm a huge fan, my brother.

01:27:51.000 I sure am.

01:27:52.000 Now, I understand that you have recently announced a partnership with TNA Wrestling and his president, Dixie Carter.

01:28:00.000 And you're going to be moving to Spike TV. We're going to see some Hulkamania on Spike TV. Now, is this the same organization that Billy Corgan owns?

01:28:09.000 Does he own...

01:28:11.000 Which one does he own?

01:28:13.000 I'm pretty sure he owns TM. I don't remember which one he bought.

01:28:15.000 I'm pretty sure he bought this one, yes.

01:28:16.000 Yeah, I'm pretty sure he bought this one.

01:28:17.000 I listen to that podcast.

01:28:18.000 He owns that one.

01:28:19.000 How cool is Billy Corgan?

01:28:21.000 I want to be friends with him, bro.

01:28:23.000 He just decides to buy a pro wrestling organization.

01:28:26.000 He knows his shit, though, as far as wrestling goes.

01:28:28.000 I know, but how funny it is when you hear him talking, he's like, yeah, everybody wants me to be all emo, but...

01:28:33.000 I like watching pro wrestling!

01:28:36.000 I love it, man.

01:28:37.000 I used to hate on...

01:28:38.000 Go ahead.

01:28:39.000 He bought the National Wrestling Alliance.

01:28:42.000 Oh, NWA. So that's TNA and then NWA. And Hulk used to be part of NWA, too, though, right?

01:28:49.000 NWO. That's New World Order.

01:28:51.000 NWA was Ric Flair, right?

01:28:54.000 Wasn't that Ric Flair?

01:28:55.000 What's that?

01:28:55.000 NWA. It was Ric Flair, and then they wanted him to go WWF, but it was too late.

01:29:00.000 That's right.

01:29:01.000 Woo!

01:29:02.000 Dude, I have Ric Flair t-shirts now.

01:29:04.000 You should.

01:29:05.000 Ric Flair is a bad motherfucker.

01:29:06.000 I'm trying to get him on my show.

01:29:09.000 Yeah.

01:29:09.000 You should have him on here.

01:29:10.000 I would love to have him on here.

01:29:12.000 Ric, if you're out there, sir, open invitation.

01:29:15.000 Dude.

01:29:17.000 I'm into wrestling now.

01:29:18.000 Have you seen that video of the football players in the green room?

01:29:21.000 Yes.

01:29:21.000 Or in the locker room?

01:29:22.000 Yes.

01:29:23.000 Repeating it and then in between Rick the Nature Boy Flair saying it back and forth.

01:29:28.000 No, I haven't seen that.

01:29:28.000 You haven't seen it?

01:29:28.000 No, please bring that up, Jay.

01:29:29.000 See if you can find it.

01:29:31.000 I forget the team that was doing it, but they were yelling out his slogan and in between Rick- Limousine riding, tuxedo wearing, and I'm having a hard time keeping these gators down!

01:29:44.000 Here it is, here it is.

01:29:45.000 Give it to me for the beginning.

01:29:47.000 Rolex wearing.

01:29:49.000 Diamond ring wearing.

01:29:51.000 Kiss Dillon.

01:29:53.000 Wheel and Dillon.

01:29:55.000 Limousine ride.

01:29:57.000 Jet fly.

01:29:59.000 Son of a gun.

01:30:01.000 Son of a gun.

01:30:03.000 Holy cow.

01:30:05.000 And a Ric Flair.

01:30:07.000 Now they did this and then they spliced it in with Ric Flair.

01:30:12.000 See if you can find that.

01:30:14.000 It's them saying one line, and then, RIC FLAIR saying the second line, and then going back to them, it's fucking amazing.

01:30:19.000 I'm having a hard time holding these alligators down!

01:30:22.000 Yeah, dude, it's fucking amazing.

01:30:25.000 I don't think that's it.

01:30:26.000 See if you can...

01:30:26.000 There's a video out there.

01:30:28.000 Someone has it.

01:30:29.000 Dude, I've never been...

01:30:30.000 Someone send it to Jamie on Twitter.

01:30:32.000 I've never been more moved by a documentary than when I watch this 30 for 30. This is it.

01:30:35.000 This is it.

01:30:38.000 Diamond ring wearing!

01:30:39.000 Kiss stealing!

01:30:41.000 Woo!

01:30:41.000 Wheel of dealing!

01:30:42.000 Limousine rack!

01:30:43.000 Jet flying!

01:30:45.000 Son of a gun!

01:30:46.000 And I'm having a hard time holding these alligators up!

01:30:53.000 The greatest!

01:30:54.000 I mean, when he comes to just someone, like, a catchphrase, like someone saying something that just gives you goosebumps and makes you fire it up and makes you start fucking clapping.

01:31:06.000 Dude, to this day, if you say Ric Flair on stage and hold the microphone out, the whole audience will go, woo!

01:31:11.000 Even Australia.

01:31:13.000 While Matthews was like balls deep with a guy gouging his eyes out, you heard, woo!

01:31:19.000 Yeah, dude.

01:31:20.000 Everybody.

01:31:20.000 All over the world.

01:31:21.000 All over the world.

01:31:22.000 But it's like an amazing, weird occurrence that happens every now and then, where a guy just nails something and becomes a part of pop culture forever.

01:31:31.000 But think about it.

01:31:32.000 Floyd, Connard, they're all ripping off from him.

01:31:35.000 That's where they got it.

01:31:36.000 Remember, he was way before all of them.

01:31:40.000 Muhammad Ali was before him, though.

01:31:43.000 Muhammad Ali was talking shit like that in the 1960s.

01:31:46.000 Not like that, though, right?

01:31:47.000 Not like boasting about his riches in women.

01:31:50.000 Are you kidding me?

01:31:52.000 Not to that level.

01:31:53.000 Oh my god.

01:31:53.000 Not to that level, though.

01:31:54.000 Right, Joe?

01:31:55.000 Dude, Muhammad Ali would write poems.

01:31:58.000 I know poems, but not about money and splurging and limousines and bitches and alligators.

01:32:03.000 Maybe not about bitches and allogators, but about how great he was.

01:32:06.000 It's different, though.

01:32:07.000 You talk about how great he was, how he's finished being around, stuff like that.

01:32:10.000 I've seen that.

01:32:11.000 I'm saying as far as boasting and almost that low-level rags-to-riches.

01:32:19.000 Right.

01:32:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:32:20.000 Maybe he did.

01:32:21.000 I don't know, but I know he would belittle people to no end.

01:32:24.000 For sure.

01:32:25.000 He said about Jimmy Terrell, he said...

01:32:27.000 Jimmy Terrell, if he dreams he beats me, he better wake up and apologize.

01:32:30.000 Like, he would say shit.

01:32:32.000 He's a poet.

01:32:33.000 Who he fought?

01:32:34.000 You said that?

01:32:35.000 Whoever he fought.

01:32:35.000 I thought it was the Frasier where he said if he even dreams about beating me.

01:32:38.000 I don't think it was, but, I mean, there were so many of those fucking interviews where he talked so much crazy shit.

01:32:43.000 He would talk shit, but I'm talking- Yeah, give me something.

01:32:45.000 ...the world's greatest.

01:32:46.000 He must fall in five rounds, but if you talk about me, I'll cut it three.

01:32:49.000 I'll never fight another fella tough as Doug Jones, not even that big, ugly, bad son of Lester.

01:32:54.000 Is he your next fight?

01:32:56.000 Well, after I now late this Henry Cooper, I want that bear.

01:32:59.000 I want him bad.

01:33:01.000 What's gonna happen to him?

01:33:02.000 He might be great, but he'll fall in eight.

01:33:04.000 I'm the prettiest fighter in the ring today.

01:33:07.000 That's my label.

01:33:08.000 He was a smart guy, man.

01:33:13.000 He talked crazy shit.

01:33:14.000 Super smart.

01:33:15.000 I'm too fast.

01:33:16.000 But it was always about his skills.

01:33:18.000 It wasn't like, I have this much money, I have a limo, I have a Rolex.

01:33:21.000 Where like Floyd and like Ric Flair took that to another level.

01:33:25.000 That's true.

01:33:26.000 Right.

01:33:26.000 He took the I'm a rich guy thing to a new level.

01:33:29.000 And like bragged about his riches because he was a heel.

01:33:32.000 So he's like, I got money, I got bitches, I got gators for coats.

01:33:35.000 What's up?

01:33:36.000 I'm having a hard time holding these alligators down.

01:33:40.000 Give me that one more time.

01:33:41.000 Yeah, give me that again.

01:33:42.000 Looking at a guy out here hollering my name when last year I spent more money on spilt liquor in bars from one side of this world to the other than you made.

01:33:56.000 You talking to the Rolex wearing That is the best line of all time.

01:34:18.000 I'm just happy that's a real person.

01:34:19.000 Me too.

01:34:20.000 You know, I mean, that's like every now and then someone creates a character, right?

01:34:24.000 They nail something.

01:34:26.000 Whatever the fuck it is.

01:34:28.000 It's just when a guy can do that and it gets to everybody.

01:34:33.000 It's so hard these days to be original like that because there's been so many great figures before us that give these lines.

01:34:40.000 When's the last time you heard someone come up with a new quote that someone's inspired by?

01:34:44.000 It's all old, man.

01:34:45.000 You know what the worst thing is?

01:34:47.000 When someone tries a quote but it doesn't work.

01:34:50.000 There's nothing more painful.

01:34:52.000 There's nothing more painful.

01:34:54.000 But I thought about it.

01:34:55.000 You're not going to come up with some new quote that we haven't heard before.

01:34:58.000 It's been done before, man.

01:35:00.000 Yeah, there's some wacky ones out there, though.

01:35:02.000 Some people try super hard for a quote.

01:35:04.000 Especially hot girls with Instagram.

01:35:06.000 Like, don't fuck with Einstein's quote and post your ass.

01:35:08.000 How dare you?

01:35:09.000 It's a good move.

01:35:10.000 Hypothesis.

01:35:10.000 I do like him, but how dare you?

01:35:12.000 Pythagoras Triangle.

01:35:13.000 Dude, did you see Elon Musk?

01:35:15.000 Have you seen this?

01:35:17.000 Where Trump goes, thank God to SpaceX, stuff like that.

01:35:20.000 Shows you how basically something about Americans.

01:35:22.000 And Elon Musk goes, I'm from South America, dumbass.

01:35:25.000 South Africa.

01:35:26.000 South Africa, that's right.

01:35:27.000 Did he call him a dumbass?

01:35:28.000 Dumbass.

01:35:29.000 That's hilarious.

01:35:30.000 Hilarious.

01:35:31.000 It's false?

01:35:32.000 I just googled it.

01:35:32.000 Is that fake?

01:35:33.000 Nope, says it was false.

01:35:34.000 Damn it!

01:35:36.000 I want to believe!

01:35:37.000 My friend sent that to me.

01:35:39.000 I thought it was hilarious.

01:35:40.000 I want to believe.

01:35:41.000 Yeah, well, how do you not love a guy who shoots a fucking car into space?

01:35:46.000 And then put, this was built by humans.

01:35:48.000 Let him do whatever he wants.

01:35:49.000 Hey, man, if I said to you, hey, Brendan, let's go to the White House and ask them if we could shoot a car into space.

01:35:57.000 You're like, what the fuck are you talking about, man?

01:35:59.000 What the fuck's wrong with you, man?

01:36:00.000 No, I think I'm going to go there.

01:36:01.000 I'm going to just tell them.

01:36:01.000 I got this idea.

01:36:02.000 I got, like, a tube and some gunpowder.

01:36:07.000 I'm going to light the bottom part on fire.

01:36:09.000 Send this white Tesla.

01:36:10.000 I've never done it before, but I'm pretty sure I could shoot a car in space.

01:36:13.000 I'm going to have a mannequin at the car.

01:36:16.000 It's fucking nuts.

01:36:16.000 Well, where's it going to go?

01:36:17.000 It's just going to float around in space.

01:36:19.000 Try to get to Mars.

01:36:20.000 We're going to overshoot, though.

01:36:21.000 This is one of the things.

01:36:22.000 Who was saying this?

01:36:24.000 Oh, Duncan.

01:36:24.000 We were like, what if the spaceship shot this car into space and this car hits an asteroid that sends it hurling towards Earth?

01:36:33.000 It's just like a bomb.

01:36:34.000 It changes the direction of this asteroid.

01:36:36.000 Because it's one of the things they've always said.

01:36:37.000 Like, if an asteroid is coming our way, they would shoot something at it.

01:36:41.000 It would bounce it out of the way.

01:36:42.000 Yeah, like Armageddon.

01:36:43.000 And that would save us.

01:36:44.000 The movie Armageddon.

01:36:44.000 Bruce Willis did it.

01:36:45.000 Yeah.

01:36:46.000 But what if it bounced it towards us?

01:36:48.000 What if this asshole shoot in his fucking car with David Bowie on the stereo, he fucking clips this asteroid and it goes straight to Manhattan.

01:36:58.000 Boom!

01:36:59.000 Elon Musk, biggest dick of all time then.

01:37:01.000 Or what if we shoot that car into space and it hits an alien spaceship that's coming here to give us wisdom?

01:37:07.000 Just completely fucked up.

01:37:08.000 Right through the windshield.

01:37:09.000 That's a negative way of thinking.

01:37:11.000 Is this the Flat Earth guy?

01:37:12.000 Yeah.

01:37:12.000 Oh, that guy's crazy.

01:37:13.000 He's only raised $110 because you're a dumbass.

01:37:16.000 That's weird.

01:37:16.000 Because you're a dumbass.

01:37:17.000 Hold on.

01:37:18.000 It's only $110 out of $10,000 goal?

01:37:20.000 Listen, you Flat Earthers, you need to put your money where your mouth is.

01:37:23.000 I'm starting to believe that you don't really believe in this cause.

01:37:26.000 Yeah, send my boy Michael Hughes $10,000.

01:37:29.000 You get your liver-spotted hands off my mother.

01:37:31.000 He's had a couple of shots at it.

01:37:33.000 He bailed on the first shot.

01:37:35.000 And he fails, right?

01:37:37.000 I don't think he's actually...

01:37:38.000 Has he launched himself into space yet?

01:37:40.000 I think they got delayed a few times.

01:37:41.000 The first time he was going to do it, the government got involved and was like, yeah, you can't do that.

01:37:45.000 Yo, that is such a crazy move.

01:37:47.000 I'm surprised Eddie doesn't fucking, he has $10,000.

01:37:50.000 If Eddie, you think they're flat, fucking give this guy some money.

01:37:53.000 Well, what about that B.O.B. character?

01:37:54.000 Isn't he super wealthy?

01:37:56.000 He hasn't had a single in forever.

01:37:58.000 Well, it's because he's been too busy with flat earth theory.

01:38:01.000 Wasting his money.

01:38:02.000 Listen, man, once he understands the fucking real true image of the earth, and then you have a wall that surrounds the outer realm of the earth, and everybody thinks the worth is round, you've got some shit to tell to people.

01:38:12.000 It's more important than your rap songs.

01:38:14.000 You're right, man.

01:38:15.000 Oh, you made things rhyme.

01:38:16.000 You've got to get people woke.

01:38:17.000 Look at the guy from Blink-182.

01:38:18.000 He went, fuck this noise.

01:38:19.000 He moved on.

01:38:20.000 Y'all got to take this flat earth shit to the next level.

01:38:23.000 Fuck the flat versus round argument.

01:38:26.000 Let's talk more about the simulation.

01:38:28.000 And...

01:38:28.000 And whose programming it is.

01:38:31.000 That's how both sides get benefit if it's round or flat.

01:38:34.000 Oh my god, it's crazy.

01:38:35.000 Sounds like B.O.B.'s going through some shit.

01:38:37.000 Fuck this flatter stuff.

01:38:38.000 What else can we talk about?

01:38:39.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:38:39.000 And this is something really important for anybody who's listening to this.

01:38:43.000 You've got to not hang yourself on your ideas.

01:38:47.000 I've done it.

01:38:48.000 I did it in the past.

01:38:49.000 When you do that, you're not really paying attention.

01:38:52.000 You're only looking for things that support your idea.

01:38:55.000 It's called confirmation bias.

01:38:58.000 Everybody's susceptible to it, me included.

01:39:00.000 I've done it a hundred times to myself in the past.

01:39:03.000 But once you realize what it is, if you keep doing the same goddamn thing, then you're being stupid.

01:39:08.000 Crazy.

01:39:08.000 So once you know what it is, and you know it's possible...

01:39:11.000 Let's just look at this.

01:39:12.000 Look at all the overwhelming amount of evidence from super geniuses that say it's round.

01:39:17.000 You gotta walk away.

01:39:19.000 It hurts your view of the world to believe that.

01:39:24.000 Because you can't believe it if you're really paying attention.

01:39:27.000 So if you believe that, what you're saying is you have a very limited box in which you're willing to operate in.

01:39:34.000 You're not willing to accept anything outside of what you've already got as a preconceived idea, and you're ignoring massive amounts of data that points to the fact that you're wrong.

01:39:43.000 So by doing that, you limit your own view of yourself.

01:39:47.000 You don't trust in the way you view things anymore.

01:39:51.000 You're boxed in.

01:39:52.000 It's very dangerous to be committed to something you know is not true.

01:39:55.000 It also shows a level of intelligence.

01:39:57.000 Because when you got these geniuses who spent their entire lives doing this stuff in astrophysics, you're telling me that they're part of this scheme, too, and they believe that it's...

01:40:07.000 This is 100% of the problem.

01:40:09.000 100%.

01:40:10.000 It's adopting an idea too soon.

01:40:13.000 That's 100% of the idea.

01:40:14.000 Because once you adopt that idea and then you hang on to it, now you're fucked.

01:40:19.000 Like Bigfoot, man.

01:40:20.000 Bigfoot was a big one for me.

01:40:21.000 I was convinced that Bigfoot was real.

01:40:24.000 Really?

01:40:24.000 What's wrong with you?

01:40:24.000 How long ago was this?

01:40:27.000 Not when I... Not when I'd known you.

01:40:31.000 Yeah, man.

01:40:32.000 When I did this TV show, that's when I totally let it go.

01:40:34.000 I'd kind of let it go before then, but Duncan and I actually went to the Pacific Northwest, and we went to hang out with real Bigfoot experts, searching for Bigfoot all the time.

01:40:44.000 When you say real Bigfoot experts, you mean con artists?

01:40:47.000 No, it's not that.

01:40:49.000 Dumbasses.

01:40:49.000 The way I describe them is unfuckable white dudes.

01:40:51.000 Who have nothing to do.

01:40:53.000 They're just a bunch of fellows.

01:40:55.000 We decided to call ourselves a rap band.

01:40:56.000 We're going to call ourselves UFWD, unfuckable white dudes.

01:41:01.000 And you didn't find anything.

01:41:02.000 You didn't find shit.

01:41:03.000 You found camp spots.

01:41:05.000 A lot of spit, shells, and beer cans laying around.

01:41:08.000 You're better than that, Joe.

01:41:09.000 No, this is what I found out.

01:41:11.000 People want to believe in things.

01:41:13.000 And once you want to believe in something, instead of looking at it objectively and going, well, I'm not sure, you automatically go towards any information that would point to the fact that the thing is real.

01:41:23.000 Not to the whole body of information.

01:41:25.000 Look, how crazy are these people?

01:41:27.000 When you meet the people that believe in Bigfoot, the ones that have seen it, the ones that claim to have seen it, almost all of them were clearly lying.

01:41:35.000 And a little, like, out of it?

01:41:37.000 There was one lady.

01:41:38.000 Maybe.

01:41:39.000 Yeah, but some people are just liars.

01:41:43.000 They can't help it.

01:41:44.000 They make stories up to make themselves feel better.

01:41:47.000 Like, they're just crazy.

01:41:48.000 And you can't really say it to their face because you don't really know.

01:41:51.000 But sometimes it just gets ridiculous.

01:41:53.000 And this one lady was one of the only ones that didn't seem like that.

01:41:57.000 This one lady was telling me a story about how she was going through the woods.

01:42:02.000 And she saw some big thing that was standing up and it was like seven feet tall and it was moving through the woods and she saw this thing and she was like, oh my god, it's an ape.

01:42:11.000 And then she realized it was Bigfoot and she saw it for a few steps and then it was gone.

01:42:17.000 At the time, I was fascinated.

01:42:19.000 At the time, I was like, maybe she really did see it.

01:42:22.000 But now I know for a fact, an absolute fact, that where she lived, there's a lot of black bears.

01:42:29.000 And black bears will often walk on their hind legs.

01:42:33.000 They'll walk like Bigfoot.

01:42:34.000 They really do.

01:42:35.000 There's many, many, many, many videos.

01:42:37.000 I've seen it.

01:42:39.000 With my own two eyes, I saw a bear walk for several steps, like six, seven, maybe even ten steps on its hind legs, roaring at another bear, and they were gonna fight with each other, and they fought with each other, standing up.

01:42:52.000 They went after each other.

01:42:53.000 Dope.

01:42:53.000 But dude, he walked towards him, like that.

01:42:56.000 Look at that.

01:42:57.000 That does look like that.

01:42:58.000 Look at that.

01:42:59.000 See that bear?

01:42:59.000 This is a bear that had injured paws.

01:43:04.000 And sometimes they'll get their paw bit off in a fight, they duke it out with each other, or maybe they get caught in a trap.

01:43:10.000 You know, some fucking assholes that set traps out there for them too.

01:43:12.000 So they're forced to walk like that.

01:43:14.000 They bite their own foot off to get out of a trap.

01:43:16.000 Damn, man.

01:43:17.000 That's real, man.

01:43:17.000 They get wolves that way.

01:43:19.000 They catch them in traps.

01:43:21.000 Jesus.

01:43:21.000 Traps are scary shit.

01:43:23.000 Hell yeah.

01:43:23.000 But these animals, you know, when they get a hurt paw, they'll walk on their back legs like Bigfoot.

01:43:29.000 So she probably saw some shit moving through the woods.

01:43:32.000 Holy shit.

01:43:33.000 Yeah.

01:43:33.000 Dude, they just stand there.

01:43:34.000 That's terrifying.

01:43:35.000 I know.

01:43:36.000 And they can walk like that.

01:43:37.000 That's terrifying, but it's...

01:43:39.000 Clearly not a fucking Bigfoot, you morons.

01:43:42.000 No, no, no.

01:43:42.000 See, you say that, but dude, I'm telling you, when you're in the Pacific Northwest, you cannot see 15 yards in front of you.

01:43:50.000 Duncan and I were talking about it.

01:43:52.000 Because, you know, we had to hang out up there and go wandering through the woods.

01:43:55.000 We're like, if there was something right there, like five trees away, and then it moved into the back, how long would it take before it disappeared?

01:44:02.000 Two steps?

01:44:03.000 Three steps?

01:44:04.000 It's so dense, dude.

01:44:05.000 It's like a Q-tip box.

01:44:06.000 You know how you get Q-tips out of a box?

01:44:08.000 Yeah, it's a nightmare.

01:44:09.000 It's just...

01:44:09.000 There's so many of them.

01:44:11.000 There's no gaps in between these trees.

01:44:13.000 Have you been to the Pacific Northwest?

01:44:15.000 Like the rainforest up there?

01:44:16.000 No, I've never been in there.

01:44:17.000 I mean, I obviously drove through it going to shows or some shit.

01:44:20.000 It's amazing.

01:44:20.000 And here's the other thing about it.

01:44:21.000 It's all pine needles.

01:44:22.000 So you don't even make any noise.

01:44:24.000 Yeah, but I would see a standing figure like that in my educated brain.

01:44:28.000 I'd go, oh, that's a fucking giant bear.

01:44:30.000 No, because you'd be looking at a hill like a hundred yards away.

01:44:33.000 And you would see this thing walk through the tree standing up.

01:44:36.000 And you'd be like, what in the fuck was that?

01:44:37.000 And then it's gone.

01:44:39.000 So then your imagination starts running wild.

01:44:41.000 Your imagination starts filling the blanks.

01:44:43.000 I don't think it's a coincidence that...

01:44:44.000 Am I high or not?

01:44:46.000 For sure you're high.

01:44:46.000 Well, then I'd probably think it's Bigfoot.

01:44:48.000 You're in Seattle, man.

01:44:49.000 Okay, then it's Bigfoot.

01:44:49.000 Why would you not be high?

01:44:50.000 You're eating mushrooms.

01:44:52.000 You're high as fuck.

01:44:53.000 Oh, I'm on shrooms?

01:44:54.000 Everybody up there's on shrooms.

01:44:55.000 Then that's a walking brown unicorn.

01:44:57.000 You're walking down this road in the forest and you see something that's in the woods and you see it briefly a hundred yards away for three or four steps.

01:45:05.000 Your brain starts filling in the blanks and you get excited.

01:45:08.000 You saw a fucking Bigfoot and I will go to my grave knowing what I saw that day!

01:45:12.000 And everybody wants to be special.

01:45:14.000 So everybody wants to pretend they saw a giant monkey in the woods.

01:45:16.000 But when you really talk to them, that was the only lady I knew that wasn't lying to me.

01:45:22.000 She saw something.

01:45:23.000 She actually thought it was Bigfoot, but it was a standing...

01:45:25.000 If I had a guess, if I had some money to bet, I'd bet almost 100% what she saw was a bear.

01:45:31.000 You did the show, and after coming back from that show, you're like, you know what?

01:45:34.000 Bigfoot's bullshit.

01:45:35.000 It's the same feeling I got talking to everybody.

01:45:38.000 Psychic readers...

01:45:40.000 Same feeling I got talking to UFO experts.

01:45:42.000 Same feeling I got.

01:45:43.000 Everybody wants to believe.

01:45:45.000 Everybody wants to believe.

01:45:46.000 See, the UFO I can fucks with.

01:45:47.000 The UFO makes sense to me.

01:45:49.000 There's so many kind of X factors there.

01:45:52.000 I can buy a UFO. It could be real.

01:45:54.000 It could be real.

01:45:55.000 Bigfoot, come on.

01:45:56.000 Here's the thing about Bigfoot.

01:45:57.000 The reason why it's so attractive is because it used to be a real animal.

01:46:02.000 100%.

01:46:03.000 It was a thing called Gigantopithecus.

01:46:05.000 Bring that shit up.

01:46:05.000 They didn't know about Gigantopithecus until I believe it was the 1920s.

01:46:09.000 They found a tooth of this primate in an apothecary shop in China.

01:46:15.000 And they're like, what the fuck is this?

01:46:17.000 Someone was selling it?

01:46:18.000 Yeah, they were selling it.

01:46:19.000 And someone found another tooth.

01:46:20.000 And they said, oh, there's another.

01:46:21.000 And the primatologist who checked it out, that was a real animal.

01:46:24.000 God.

01:46:24.000 Yeah.

01:46:25.000 Dog.

01:46:26.000 Dog.

01:46:27.000 Eight foot tall, gigantic, orangutan-looking thing.

01:46:31.000 It still doesn't look like a human, guys?

01:46:33.000 It was in the orangutan family.

01:46:34.000 No, no, no.

01:46:35.000 Dude, it doesn't...

01:46:36.000 Well, Bigfoot's supposed to look like that.

01:46:38.000 Oh, really?

01:46:38.000 That's what it's supposed to look like.

01:46:39.000 Yeah, it's not supposed to look like a human.

01:46:40.000 Well, I thought it was like a hairy-human combo.

01:46:42.000 There's a photo of a man standing next to a proportionate man, the average-sized man standing next to a Gigantopithecus statue.

01:46:50.000 See if you can find that in there.

01:46:51.000 I know it's in there.

01:46:52.000 Gigantic Picethys.

01:46:53.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:46:54.000 That was how big it was.

01:46:56.000 So that was a real animal.

01:46:58.000 100%.

01:46:59.000 Now, they're not 100% sure that it walked on two legs.

01:47:05.000 But they're pretty sure.

01:47:06.000 And the reason why is the shape of the teeth.

01:47:09.000 That animals that walk on their hind legs, animals that walk upright, have a different shape to their jaw.

01:47:16.000 So that's what they found.

01:47:17.000 They found a jawbone, and they found some teeth, and they found it all on the same site.

01:47:22.000 And then they realized that they're dealing with a totally different animal.

01:47:25.000 And he was around how long ago?

01:47:26.000 10,000 years ago.

01:47:27.000 So this thing existed somewhere in the neighborhood of, I think that's right.

01:47:32.000 Wait a minute, that might be wrong.

01:47:33.000 I think I'm thinking of the Flores man.

01:47:36.000 Was it the Hobbit man?

01:47:37.000 The little three foot tall dude?

01:47:38.000 Sure.

01:47:38.000 That dude was like 10,000, 14,000 years ago.

01:47:40.000 That was really soon.

01:47:41.000 Like really recently.

01:47:42.000 Definitely lived alongside people.

01:47:44.000 This might be 100,000.

01:47:47.000 What makes it attractive, though, is where that thing lived is exactly where all the animals came across the Bering Land Bridge that connected Asia to North America.

01:47:58.000 So this Bering Land Bridge was where they think everything came across.

01:48:02.000 Short-faced bears, even people.

01:48:04.000 One of the things about Native Americans, it's a funny thing how they found this out.

01:48:08.000 They found this out through crazy Mormons who wanted to prove that all of the Native Americans were actually the lost tribe of Israel because that was...

01:48:17.000 Mormons are crazy, bro.

01:48:18.000 At least they got something right, though.

01:48:19.000 So, they got one thing right.

01:48:21.000 Yes.

01:48:21.000 Dying wise, baby.

01:48:22.000 Keep that party rolling.

01:48:24.000 That's why nobody's fighting over there.

01:48:25.000 Depends what state you're in.

01:48:26.000 Let's chill.

01:48:27.000 So this guy who's like some rich Mormon guy spends a shit ton of money.

01:48:32.000 Turns out he gets the DNA tested.

01:48:34.000 They're all from Siberia.

01:48:36.000 Really?

01:48:36.000 Yup.

01:48:37.000 Yeah.

01:48:38.000 They came down from Siberia.

01:48:39.000 That's why they look different as they go through the different climates.

01:48:42.000 If you look at Inuits in Alaska, in that area, They look super similar to Siberians, man.

01:48:50.000 Siberians have that strong features, Asian-looking, Mongol, like Genghis Khan-looking face, like powerful people.

01:48:59.000 Dude, that's what they look like.

01:49:00.000 They're all from Siberia?

01:49:01.000 Dude, they're from Siberia.

01:49:02.000 And so as they came down and got deeper into North America, then you got all sorts of different influences, different kind of people, but they look different.

01:49:09.000 And they start looking more and more Mexican.

01:49:11.000 When you get down to the Mayans, the Mayans are very Mexican.

01:49:15.000 Aztecs.

01:49:16.000 It's all Mexican.

01:49:16.000 And then they've got people coming in from Spain and teaching them Spanish.

01:49:21.000 But you've got to realize these people started off essentially Native Americans before the Spanish arrived.

01:49:27.000 It's really interesting stuff.

01:49:29.000 Dude, it's super interesting stuff.

01:49:31.000 Mormon found that shit out.

01:49:32.000 So Mormon found that shit by trying to prove that his shit was right.

01:49:36.000 But the problem is, all this time...

01:49:39.000 I'll just wrap it up here.

01:49:40.000 All this time is when that animal existed.

01:49:44.000 So this animal was a real animal during this time.

01:49:46.000 So during the time that all these animals were coming across the Bering Land Bridge, it's highly likely...

01:49:51.000 That there might have been one of those fucking things that came over too.

01:49:54.000 And then people started to share stories and became this folklore.

01:49:57.000 It's probably dead now.

01:49:57.000 Like it's dead in Asia.

01:49:59.000 But the Native Americans have a bunch of different names for it.

01:50:02.000 One of the things that's interesting about the Sasquatch and Native American culture, I think they have 40 different names for it.

01:50:08.000 Too much.

01:50:08.000 Well, I think it existed.

01:50:10.000 I think something like that existed.

01:50:12.000 Or it could have been the same thing about this lady.

01:50:15.000 She sees a bear walking on two legs, a story, you know, they tell a tale.

01:50:19.000 They also were smoking a lot of shit, eating a lot of shrooms.

01:50:21.000 That's right, dawg.

01:50:22.000 A lot of that goes into it.

01:50:23.000 Eating a lot of that San Pedro cactus.

01:50:25.000 Yeah, son.

01:50:26.000 Ayahuasca and shit.

01:50:27.000 I see a cat.

01:50:28.000 I think it's very good.

01:50:29.000 Yeah, man.

01:50:30.000 Drums and shit in front of the fire on peyote.

01:50:32.000 Feeling the music, yeah.

01:50:34.000 Executing people with knives and shit.

01:50:36.000 What is all that, Jamie?

01:50:38.000 All the different names for Bigfoot.

01:50:39.000 Ah, come on, everybody.

01:50:40.000 That's crazy.

01:50:41.000 Look at that.

01:50:41.000 Different Native American Bigfoot names.

01:50:43.000 But are these like those gender pronouns where people are just making them up?

01:50:47.000 Yeah, the meaning over here isn't always just like Bigfoot.

01:50:50.000 Ah, fuck off.

01:50:50.000 One says big man with a little hat.

01:50:52.000 Oh, that's my boy.

01:50:52.000 Harry Savage, Otter Man, Dangerous Being.

01:50:55.000 Bushman?

01:50:56.000 Dangerous Being.

01:50:58.000 A lot of that could be attributed to a lack of understanding of what really is out there.

01:51:06.000 They don't have an accurate account of all the different animals.

01:51:09.000 They know there's a bunch of them that can kill them.

01:51:10.000 Yeah, we would find it by now.

01:51:13.000 The government would find it if the shit was out there.

01:51:15.000 Someone would find it.

01:51:16.000 Tim Kennedy would find it.

01:51:17.000 Tim Kennedy would find it.

01:51:18.000 If you hear about Tim Gage's new show, I don't mean to interrupt you.

01:51:21.000 Hunting for Hitler?

01:51:22.000 No, no, no.

01:51:23.000 Hard to kill.

01:51:24.000 They put him in certain situations to see if he gets out of it.

01:51:27.000 What?

01:51:28.000 Our boy Aubrey's telling me about this today.

01:51:30.000 What?

01:51:30.000 It's on Discovery History.

01:51:31.000 Why are they doing that?

01:51:32.000 Because Tim Kennedy, you can't kill him.

01:51:34.000 He's Captain America.

01:51:35.000 They like put him in a burning plane.

01:51:37.000 He got like third-degree burns.

01:51:38.000 He makes it out alive.

01:51:39.000 They put him in an avalanche.

01:51:40.000 He gets out alive.

01:51:41.000 Dude, they shouldn't do this.

01:51:44.000 Dude.

01:51:45.000 Dude, he's such a monster.

01:51:47.000 He's a fucking animal.

01:51:49.000 He's the best human I know.

01:51:50.000 But I don't want them to kill him for a TV show.

01:51:51.000 No, you can't kill him.

01:51:52.000 Yeah, but you can.

01:51:53.000 He's a person.

01:51:54.000 Nah, not Dick Kennedy.

01:51:55.000 If Yoel Romero's waiting there with a hammer, he's got a real problem on his hands.

01:51:59.000 If Yoel's waiting there with EPO and a hammer, he's in trouble.

01:52:05.000 Interesting.

01:52:06.000 Crazy show though, right?

01:52:07.000 Yeah, that's a crazy idea.

01:52:09.000 He's another guy who...

01:52:10.000 I say put him on anything.

01:52:11.000 I'm interested in him on anything.

01:52:13.000 He's a fascinating guy.

01:52:14.000 Great guy.

01:52:15.000 He's a guy who's parlayed his career after fighting something great.

01:52:18.000 Well, he is a professional bad motherfucker.

01:52:21.000 I mean, that's literally who he is.

01:52:23.000 But he's not a meathead, too.

01:52:24.000 He's a smart guy.

01:52:25.000 He's educated.

01:52:26.000 Exactly.

01:52:26.000 But he's a bad motherfucker.

01:52:28.000 He's got good advice for people, too.

01:52:29.000 He's the baddest motherfucker.

01:52:30.000 And just like a nice, nice dude.

01:52:32.000 Don't die, Tim Kennedy.

01:52:34.000 Please.

01:52:34.000 Please don't.

01:52:35.000 You know, I heard that show.

01:52:36.000 Not for TV. I go, what if he dies?

01:52:38.000 Not for TV, Tim.

01:52:39.000 Gotta get those ratings, son.

01:52:41.000 Yeah, I just, again, wouldn't you want to just see that guy hanging around all day?

01:52:46.000 Well, I mean, if you're, do people really want to go see the Kardashian's house?

01:52:49.000 And look at my shoes, oh my god, super cute.

01:52:51.000 Do they really want to see that?

01:52:52.000 Or do they want to see Tim Kennedy at the range, talking shit, practicing killing terrorists?

01:52:58.000 I want to see both.

01:52:59.000 I don't want to see the other one.

01:53:01.000 You want to see the other one?

01:53:01.000 Well, I'm not mad at their asses and stuff.

01:53:03.000 Well, no, I don't care what they say, but I'd like to see Tim Kenney in the Kardashians' house.

01:53:07.000 Teach them how to fight.

01:53:09.000 Ooh, okay.

01:53:11.000 Like, mix it, you know what I'm saying?

01:53:12.000 Him and Kanye, do you think they would see eye to eye?

01:53:14.000 Yeah, I do.

01:53:18.000 Tim Kennedy and Caitlyn Jenner?

01:53:19.000 Jim Kennedy is like the anti-Conway.

01:53:21.000 I bet he would be interesting with Caitlyn.

01:53:24.000 I bet he'd be interesting.

01:53:25.000 He's a very open-minded guy.

01:53:26.000 Yeah.

01:53:27.000 I mean, he doesn't give a fuck what you do.

01:53:29.000 Just don't get in the way of the military.

01:53:31.000 No, he's the best man.

01:53:31.000 Don't get in his way.

01:53:32.000 It's not like looking to tell people how to live their life.

01:53:34.000 Damn right he has a show.

01:53:36.000 Should have a show.

01:53:37.000 Well, I think there's a lot of missed opportunities that a lot of these guys have, but what they are as unique individuals, there's people that are good at promoting themselves, and there's people that just don't have that part of them.

01:53:49.000 You're referring to fighters?

01:53:50.000 Yeah.

01:53:50.000 Like Stipe?

01:53:51.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:53:55.000 I feel like Stipe's a can't-lose scenario.

01:53:59.000 Me too.

01:53:59.000 You just need more attention.

01:54:01.000 And people need to recognize it more and more.

01:54:03.000 And I think the more wins, like the Angano win, the Junior Dos Santos win, the Overeem win, it's like he's becoming a superstar.

01:54:10.000 He's just taking a little bit more time.

01:54:11.000 Yeah, but Dana made the comments where he goes, you know, he doesn't help us sell the fight.

01:54:16.000 I'm like, well, him being a firefighter, him being the most winning heavyweight of all time, that kind of helps, right?

01:54:20.000 How are you saying he didn't help?

01:54:22.000 What do you mean?

01:54:23.000 He's not saying he doesn't sell.

01:54:24.000 He's just saying he does the minimum as far as interviews and media.

01:54:28.000 He just wants to fight and fight fires.

01:54:31.000 You know what, man?

01:54:32.000 There's a fine line that has to be drawn, right?

01:54:34.000 Between how much promotion you do and how much training you do.

01:54:37.000 Training has to take precedent over anything.

01:54:39.000 Which is what Stipe does, which is why he's the winningest heavyweight.

01:54:42.000 It's on the promotion.

01:54:44.000 Yeah, I also wonder how much actual travel does versus how much access to him at his gym, talking to him at his gym.

01:54:53.000 Not being able to film any sparring or not being able to film any training they don't want to, but talk to him there.

01:55:00.000 Have short interviews that only take place while he's in training camp.

01:55:04.000 Like, do you want to talk to him?

01:55:05.000 Good.

01:55:06.000 The champ will meet you for 15 minutes after practice today.

01:55:09.000 So he just goes there, he sits for 15 minutes, he answers a couple questions from a guy, and then he bolts.

01:55:14.000 He says, thanks, I gotta get out of here, I gotta train.

01:55:17.000 Yeah, he goes and does all his recovery.

01:55:21.000 That way it doesn't interfere with travel and all that shit.

01:55:23.000 Yeah, I agree, but also, he shouldn't have to do that.

01:55:26.000 He's not the guy who's going to give you a soundbite that's going to sell a fight.

01:55:31.000 He sells the fight by training hard, beating people's ass, and he fights fires in his off time.

01:55:36.000 Yeah, I mean, being just a unique individual in that regard, right?

01:55:39.000 He's blue-collar.

01:55:40.000 Everyone can relate to Stipe.

01:55:41.000 More people can relate to Stipe than they can, say, Francis or Jon Jones.

01:55:44.000 Well, how many guys are world champions but still have a fucking day job, and that day job is being a firefighter?

01:55:49.000 That's actually frowned upon, though, in the UFC. Well, who else has done it?

01:55:53.000 Chris Lytle did it.

01:55:54.000 Shane Carwin.

01:55:55.000 Shane Carwin.

01:55:56.000 What was Shane doing?

01:55:56.000 He was an engineer.

01:55:57.000 He worked for the city of Greeley while fighting Brock Lesnar.

01:56:00.000 And they begged him to quit and he wouldn't do it.

01:56:02.000 Wow.

01:56:03.000 Actually, I made him an offer to quit.

01:56:04.000 I remember being in his car and they made him an offer and he was like, nope, can't.

01:56:07.000 I have benefits, my kids, insurance, all that.

01:56:09.000 I'm not doing it.

01:56:10.000 Wow, that's interesting, man.

01:56:11.000 Because if you think about it, and I get it from the UFC standpoint, I get it because imagine if Lionel Messi or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady had side gigs while they're this world champion.

01:56:24.000 It's like, eesh, this is a bad look, man.

01:56:26.000 So you can still be that good, but you have to have this job to meet the bills?

01:56:30.000 Like, that's not good.

01:56:32.000 What if, like, he worked for the state of Colorado or something, didn't he?

01:56:35.000 Shane?

01:56:35.000 Yeah, as a water engineer.

01:56:37.000 The state of Greeley.

01:56:38.000 Okay.

01:56:38.000 Or the city?

01:56:39.000 City of Greeley, sorry.

01:56:40.000 Why can't they give him some fucking few years off?

01:56:43.000 You know, wouldn't that be the move?

01:56:45.000 Shane Greeley?

01:56:46.000 Yeah.

01:56:46.000 Just, like, give him a guarantee to come back.

01:56:49.000 Yeah, I don't know, man.

01:56:50.000 I don't know.

01:56:51.000 It doesn't really work like that in the workforce.

01:56:53.000 Like, they could probably fill his job with someone who's gonna work full-time.

01:56:55.000 I know, but wouldn't they love to have a heavyweight champion?

01:56:58.000 I don't think they'd give a fuck if you're like, no.

01:57:00.000 Greeley, you know what I'm saying?

01:57:01.000 Like, was he gonna sign some autographs during lunch?

01:57:03.000 Yeah, probably right.

01:57:05.000 I get both sides.

01:57:06.000 I get Shane, especially at the time, Shane going, nah man, I gotta look up for my family.

01:57:10.000 He knows how long I'm gonna do this.

01:57:11.000 I'm older, I have a family I gotta protect.

01:57:12.000 I have benefits and 401k and all that.

01:57:15.000 And then Dana going, dude, you're fighting Brock Lesnar.

01:57:18.000 I can't have you having a job and still trying to be the world champion.

01:57:21.000 Like, it's a bad look.

01:57:22.000 So I get both arguments.

01:57:23.000 Right, but for Stipe, it's not a bad look because people, especially to this day, it's a great look in terms of marketing.

01:57:31.000 Yeah, I love it.

01:57:31.000 Because people love first responders.

01:57:33.000 They hide it, though.

01:57:34.000 The UFC kind of hides it.

01:57:35.000 You won't see it on embedded or any of that stuff.

01:57:36.000 Really?

01:57:37.000 Not really.

01:57:38.000 Come on.

01:57:38.000 It's not put out there.

01:57:39.000 Really?

01:57:40.000 No, it makes the sport look bad.

01:57:42.000 I don't think it does.

01:57:44.000 He just doesn't want to quit.

01:57:44.000 I don't think it does either.

01:57:45.000 I'm saying this is from the UFC standpoint where they don't want a guy having a second job.

01:57:49.000 But the thing about this fire department is you get a lot of downtime.

01:57:53.000 People don't realize how much downtime those guys have.

01:57:55.000 Well, even the way they do shifts.

01:57:57.000 A lot of times they do 24-hour shifts.

01:57:58.000 They sleep at the station.

01:57:59.000 They work out there.

01:58:01.000 I had a friend from the pool hall days, Ray the Fireman.

01:58:04.000 And Ray the Fireman would explain...

01:58:06.000 Creative name?

01:58:06.000 They all had weird names.

01:58:07.000 There was White Plains, Charlie.

01:58:09.000 There was Mount Vernon, Tommy.

01:58:11.000 Everybody had weird names.

01:58:13.000 International Sal was the greatest name.

01:58:14.000 Did you have one?

01:58:14.000 No.

01:58:15.000 I was Joe the Comedian.

01:58:17.000 Again, not that creative, guys.

01:58:18.000 But they're just talking.

01:58:19.000 Was Frank the Fireman a firefighter?

01:58:21.000 They just needed to talk.

01:58:22.000 Roy.

01:58:22.000 Or Ray.

01:58:23.000 Was Ray the Fireman a firefighter?

01:58:24.000 Yeah, Ray the Fireman.

01:58:24.000 He was a firefighter?

01:58:25.000 Yeah, he was a firefighter.

01:58:26.000 Well, Jesus.

01:58:27.000 He was the first guy that explained to me what a great gig it was, because he would do these 24-hour shifts, he'd do a couple in a row, and then he'd be done for the week.

01:58:35.000 And you'd stay there, most of the time you're bullshitting, guys are cooking, you work out if you like to, guys play cards.

01:58:42.000 Yeah, it's great, man.

01:58:42.000 I love firefighters.

01:58:43.000 Yeah, so Ray was explaining to me that it's a pretty good gig, but obviously when the shit goes down and the fire's burning, then it's a fucking terrifying gig.

01:58:55.000 These guys die.

01:58:57.000 You look at Stipe's Instagram, his most liked pics, a lot of it's him fighting a fire.

01:59:01.000 There's a picture of him going to work and he's covered in ash and he's just like, damn, that's a badass.

01:59:06.000 That's Captain America, son.

01:59:08.000 In a lot of ways, right?

01:59:10.000 I mean, Joey Diaz has that fucking amazing description, that immigrant mentality.

01:59:17.000 But that is it, man.

01:59:19.000 I mean, that's him keeping that name, too.

01:59:21.000 Stipe Miocic.

01:59:22.000 You know, that's not like someone changing their name to something that's more compatible with the modern society.

01:59:29.000 I mean, he looks like a...

01:59:29.000 He's from Cleveland, but yeah, I hear you.

01:59:30.000 Yeah, but look at him.

01:59:31.000 Look at that.

01:59:32.000 Fucking animal, dude.

01:59:34.000 Monster.

01:59:35.000 Monster.

01:59:36.000 Yeah, people don't appreciate him enough.

01:59:38.000 It's unfortunate.

01:59:38.000 When it's all said and done, he's gonna be one of the most loved heavyweights of all time.

01:59:42.000 He'll be like a Jack Dempsey type character even after his career is over.

01:59:46.000 People will love him.

01:59:47.000 That's not hating on the UFC. That's sports in general.

01:59:49.000 Like right now, LeBron, you know, the guys hate on him so much or Kevin Durant or Westbrook or even Tom Brady.

01:59:54.000 Like these greats in the sport right now.

01:59:56.000 Once they're gone, you're like, holy fuck.

01:59:58.000 Remember how good that guy was?

02:00:00.000 Stipe's that guy.

02:00:00.000 We're not appreciating what happens.

02:00:02.000 We're not appreciating Verdum or Conor or these guys.

02:00:06.000 While it's happening, you're like, ah, fuck this guy, this guy.

02:00:08.000 You pick and choose your battles.

02:00:10.000 Do you think that it's like, what is that?

02:00:11.000 What's that picture?

02:00:12.000 Boss Logic.

02:00:13.000 Poster's dope.

02:00:13.000 Oh, BossLogic made that?

02:00:15.000 Is BossLogic literally the best artist in the world?

02:00:18.000 What's going on?

02:00:18.000 Him and that dose bracket are fucking ridiculous.

02:00:20.000 I know.

02:00:21.000 Let's explain what we're seeing.

02:00:22.000 We're looking at Stipe's body with a UFC t-shirt on, like coming out of a fire with a fire mask on, fireman's mask on, holding his UFC belt and holding a hose in one hand with a UFC glove on.

02:00:36.000 It's so sick.

02:00:38.000 Yeah, he's a killer artist, man.

02:00:41.000 It's just, for whatever reason, sometimes that happens, where guys are overlooked.

02:00:46.000 That happens all the time.

02:00:47.000 While they're the king.

02:00:48.000 In sports and outside.

02:00:48.000 Football, yeah.

02:00:49.000 You're going to appreciate that guy after he's gone.

02:00:51.000 I mean, he's going to be like, oh shit, remember how good he was, man?

02:00:54.000 Look, if he beats DC, he's a shoo-in for the all-time great.

02:00:58.000 And right now, he's basically, you've got to think he's the all-time great, at least in terms of accomplishments.

02:01:04.000 Let me ask you this.

02:01:05.000 If DC were to beat Stipe as the all-time great, Where do you put DC? He's right up there, man.

02:01:13.000 Look, it's hard to do MMA math, especially when you got that Jon Jones wildcard.

02:01:17.000 That's what's the bummer, because if DC beats Stipe, whose regard is the greatest UFC heavyweight champion of all time, DC was undefeated at heavyweight, but then he lost to Jon, but then he was champion at light heavyweight twice.

02:01:28.000 You would have to prove that DC is better at heavyweight than he is at light heavyweight.

02:01:33.000 And that would be a hard sell.

02:01:35.000 I'm talking about pound for pound.

02:01:37.000 One of the all-time greats.

02:01:39.000 Unquestionably.

02:01:39.000 Top three.

02:01:40.000 Look, if he goes up and wins, just in terms of statistics alone, he's light heavyweight champion, then he beats the heavyweight champion.

02:01:46.000 The only argument against it would be both times he did it was because John was stripped.

02:01:52.000 It wasn't because he beat John.

02:01:55.000 That's the problem.

02:01:56.000 That's a real problem.

02:01:57.000 I know.

02:01:57.000 That's why you can't put him at number one.

02:01:59.000 He's fucking amazing.

02:02:00.000 You take away John Jones and he's fucking amazing.

02:02:03.000 I mean, you take away John Jones, look what he does to Rumble Johnson twice.

02:02:05.000 You know, look what he does to Gustafson.

02:02:07.000 Look what he does to everybody.

02:02:08.000 The Gustafson fight is a war.

02:02:10.000 I know.

02:02:10.000 That was a war.

02:02:11.000 I think Gustafson is perhaps the most dangerous challenger at 205 right now.

02:02:16.000 I think Gustafson, especially if he recovers perfectly from his shoulder surgery, Gustafson, when I saw him fight Glover, I was like, this guy is on another level.

02:02:28.000 Just something going on, found it.

02:02:30.000 Yeah, any given night, you know, there's kind of, to me, I look at light heavyweight, there's 1A, 1B, and 1C. And it's John at 1A, it's DC at 1B, and then you got Gustin at 1C. After that, it falls off like a motherfucker.

02:02:42.000 But those three, any given night could beat each other, I think.

02:02:45.000 I think you're right.

02:02:46.000 I think it's fascinating that Rumble is not up in there with them.

02:02:49.000 If you saw the way Rumble destroyed some of those guys, including Gustafsson, the way Rumble just puts the fucking smash on people, like when he uppercutted Glover into another universe.

02:03:00.000 Dude, he's the scariest guy ever, and the fact that he just can't get that off on DC. He's not up there as far as the top three.

02:03:07.000 But it's amazing, because you'd be convinced he was.

02:03:10.000 Did you hear Rumble's trying to do bodybuilding?

02:03:12.000 Did you hear that?

02:03:13.000 He's trying to go professional bodybuilding.

02:03:14.000 Hilarious.

02:03:15.000 Well, good luck with the piss test from there on out.

02:03:18.000 Yeah, I mean, fighting's gone.

02:03:20.000 Yeah, it's over.

02:03:21.000 You're going full Bane.

02:03:22.000 What he said after the fight was probably the best way to go for him, and I know he's said some different things since then.

02:03:28.000 Like he said he was thinking about coming back as a heavyweight, and he said, what fight was it that he said, let me show these guys how to throw an uppercut?

02:03:36.000 What fucking fight was it?

02:03:38.000 One fight he was tweeting after the fight was over.

02:03:41.000 It wasn't Francis over him, right?

02:03:43.000 No, it was a light heavyweight fight.

02:03:45.000 It was a light heavyweight fight.

02:03:47.000 I don't remember what fight it was.

02:03:49.000 Bulkham's fight?

02:03:49.000 Jesus Christ, it's giant!

02:03:51.000 Oh my God!

02:03:52.000 Oh, we going sizzler.

02:03:53.000 Oh my God!

02:03:55.000 Oh my god.

02:03:57.000 Who's ready to hit the gym?

02:03:58.000 He ain't fighting anytime soon.

02:03:59.000 No, no, no.

02:04:01.000 No, no.

02:04:01.000 He's like, what?

02:04:02.000 We don't need a tattoo.

02:04:02.000 We're good.

02:04:03.000 His fucking carnival bell is going to fly higher than mine.

02:04:06.000 Yeah.

02:04:07.000 Ding!

02:04:08.000 Woo!

02:04:09.000 Toss those weights around.

02:04:10.000 That's an interesting career move, though, bodybuilding.

02:04:13.000 Pfft.

02:04:14.000 Well, I know he was going into the weed business, too.

02:04:16.000 What he said after the fight, I don't think you could ever negate that.

02:04:19.000 What he said that he doesn't really like the fight, he's just really good at it.

02:04:22.000 Correct.

02:04:23.000 I mean, boy, when a guy says that, he's just laying it all on the table.

02:04:28.000 That's the truth, yeah.

02:04:28.000 That's who he is.

02:04:29.000 I don't want to do it anymore.

02:04:30.000 Yeah, I remember we had that thing with the LA Rams.

02:04:32.000 I was like, damn, what's he going to do with the Rams?

02:04:33.000 People were like, yeah, he's going to play for the Rams.

02:04:35.000 And I went on this rant on my show how he's not playing for the Rams.

02:04:38.000 And he DMed me.

02:04:38.000 He was like, bro, I'm not playing for the Rams, moron.

02:04:41.000 He didn't call me a moron.

02:04:42.000 That's me saying that.

02:04:43.000 But he was like, dude, I'm not playing for the Rams.

02:04:45.000 I was consulting for them with some performance stuff as far as working out.

02:04:50.000 He said, clearly, I'm not playing running back for the Rams.

02:04:53.000 Clearly.

02:04:53.000 I didn't know, man.

02:04:54.000 Big dude.

02:04:56.000 What is that?

02:04:58.000 What is he doing?

02:05:00.000 Flexing.

02:05:01.000 Oh, he's just flexing?

02:05:02.000 Oh, okay.

02:05:02.000 He has your boy Cam Hane shirt on.

02:05:04.000 He's super...

02:05:05.000 Does he?

02:05:05.000 What does his shirt say?

02:05:06.000 No, I'm saying he has that...

02:05:07.000 Cam wears that weird top.

02:05:09.000 Cam, we've told you to stop wearing those.

02:05:11.000 Yeah, stop cutting your sleeves off, Cam.

02:05:12.000 What was the picture above that?

02:05:14.000 The one that you just had up there?

02:05:15.000 Jack!

02:05:16.000 Look how big his fucking back is.

02:05:17.000 That's just him and his bros, man.

02:05:19.000 Look at the size of his back!

02:05:19.000 Oh, we balking, baby.

02:05:20.000 Dude, come on.

02:05:21.000 That's ridiculous.

02:05:23.000 That...

02:05:23.000 I mean, he's gigantic.

02:05:25.000 Bodybuilding is an interesting...

02:05:27.000 This is going to sound gay.

02:05:28.000 You know who had the greatest back of all time in all of combat sports?

02:05:31.000 Of all combat sports?

02:05:32.000 Hold on.

02:05:34.000 Give me a weight class.

02:05:35.000 Evander Holyfield.

02:05:37.000 Oh, yes.

02:05:38.000 And his traps?

02:05:39.000 Dude.

02:05:40.000 His traps?

02:05:40.000 You talking about the angel wings?

02:05:42.000 Oh, bro.

02:05:43.000 They started at the top of his head.

02:05:44.000 It's a fucking call, son.

02:05:45.000 Come on, son.

02:05:46.000 Most impressive back ever in combat sports?

02:05:48.000 Those two fucking peaches hanging up the top.

02:05:51.000 Find out when he fought Tyson.

02:05:53.000 Evander Holyfield when he fought Tyson.

02:05:55.000 Just play a clip of that.

02:05:56.000 We'll watch it.

02:05:57.000 He finished third or second Olympia?

02:05:59.000 He was so dashed.

02:06:00.000 And just that caramel skin.

02:06:02.000 And just tits.

02:06:04.000 Yep.

02:06:04.000 And he was one of the first guys that figured out how to in court prop.

02:06:07.000 Look at that.

02:06:08.000 Jesus Christ!

02:06:09.000 Jesus!

02:06:10.000 Look at that back.

02:06:11.000 He was one of the first guys that figured out how to correctly implement weightlifting training because of Mackie Shilstone.

02:06:17.000 That's right, everyone thought it'd make you slower.

02:06:18.000 Yeah, and he was one of the first guys that really pulled it off and moved up a weight class.

02:06:22.000 He was the cruiserweight champion, has a hard time making 195. He's like, fuck it, we're going up.

02:06:27.000 And first couple of fights, I want to say he was like 205, maybe 209. And he never got much higher than...

02:06:33.000 211, 212?

02:06:34.000 Yeah, what was the highest he got?

02:06:36.000 I want to say like 220. Yeah, somewhere.

02:06:39.000 Is that the bite?

02:06:40.000 After Tyson bit him?

02:06:41.000 That was the saddest shit ever.

02:06:43.000 Holyfield overall had a better career than Tyson.

02:06:45.000 Oh, for sure.

02:06:46.000 226. So it probably got up to 226. Is that right now?

02:06:50.000 That's not his fighting weight.

02:06:52.000 By the way, that's when they used to test you with one of them Cracker Jacks rings.

02:06:56.000 They would just wave it around you, and if it didn't show...

02:06:59.000 Didn't change colors.

02:07:01.000 Yeah, I don't know if that motherfucker was...

02:07:02.000 He was on everything.

02:07:03.000 Everybody was on everything.

02:07:05.000 There was no testing.

02:07:06.000 Get the fuck out of here with your testing.

02:07:08.000 Think if Jon Jones was just back then.

02:07:10.000 Oh!

02:07:11.000 Oh my god.

02:07:11.000 The Chuck Liddell days?

02:07:13.000 Yeah.

02:07:14.000 Come on, son.

02:07:15.000 The Vanderlei Silver Pride days?

02:07:17.000 Yeah.

02:07:18.000 Yeah, in the early days, the way the best guys would put it is, you never knew who was on anything, because essentially it was an intelligence test, not a drug test.

02:07:26.000 Correct.

02:07:26.000 Because they're only testing you the day of the fight.

02:07:28.000 Most of the guys have already cycled off.

02:07:30.000 You keep all the benefits for a long period of time, and back then they...

02:07:33.000 You know, rudimentary tests.

02:07:34.000 They didn't have the same kind of tests they have now.

02:07:36.000 Boom!

02:07:37.000 Look at the fucking traps on Holyfield!

02:07:39.000 Jesus, son!

02:07:40.000 He makes Tyson look smooth.

02:07:42.000 Oh, the right hand!

02:07:44.000 Dude!

02:07:45.000 Dude, he fucked Tyson up in this fight.

02:07:48.000 I mean, I remember watching this with Kevin James.

02:07:51.000 We're in my house at Encino.

02:07:53.000 Dude, he's beating the shit out of Tyson.

02:07:55.000 How great of a time was that for boxing, bro?

02:07:57.000 Did they stop the fight right there, or was that the end of the round?

02:07:59.000 That was the end of the round.

02:08:01.000 Oh, dude, give me some volume up in that bitch.

02:08:03.000 I want to hear this.

02:08:04.000 I remember Kevin and I were jumping up and down on the couch, screaming.

02:08:09.000 We couldn't believe it.

02:08:10.000 We couldn't believe it.

02:08:11.000 Everybody thought Tyson was the scariest guy ever, and that the only guy that ever beat him was Buster Douglas, and Evander Holyfield was not the same size.

02:08:19.000 He was a smaller guy.

02:08:20.000 And Evander was coming after him for years.

02:08:21.000 He was trying to make it happen forever, if you remember.

02:08:23.000 And remember, Evander had those crazy fights with Riddick Bowe, who was an enormous guy.

02:08:28.000 Monster.

02:08:28.000 Boom, look at this.

02:08:31.000 Holyfield, son!

02:08:33.000 Boom!

02:08:33.000 Look at that right hand!

02:08:34.000 It's no disrespect to Tyson, but I have Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield ranked pound for pound over him.

02:08:39.000 Yeah, people forget Holyfield was a fucking Olympian, man.

02:08:42.000 Correct.

02:08:42.000 Didn't he win a gold medal?

02:08:44.000 Yes.

02:08:44.000 Boom!

02:08:45.000 Oh no, he did win a gold medal.

02:08:49.000 He got screwed in the Olympics.

02:08:51.000 Look that up to me.

02:08:51.000 He got screwed in the Olympics.

02:08:53.000 Boom!

02:08:54.000 Nobody got screwed like Roy Jones Jr. did.

02:08:56.000 Nobody.

02:08:57.000 Nobody.

02:08:57.000 When he fought that Korean dude in the Olympics, that was one of the worst robberies I've ever seen watching boxing.

02:09:03.000 Ah, that Irish kid who's fighting.

02:09:04.000 There he goes.

02:09:05.000 They just pushed him back out there.

02:09:07.000 I mean...

02:09:09.000 How hurting is he?

02:09:11.000 And Tyson charging forward.

02:09:13.000 Dude, you know I just did a podcast with Mike Tyson.

02:09:15.000 You know I did a podcast with Mike Tyson?

02:09:16.000 He has his own podcast called Bite the Mic.

02:09:17.000 Oh, shit.

02:09:18.000 How was it?

02:09:22.000 Oh, boom.

02:09:24.000 Goddamn, dude.

02:09:25.000 Look at the body on Evanderholt.

02:09:29.000 First team all bod.

02:09:30.000 Well, Tyson just doesn't look physically the same as he did, like, just coming out of the pokey.

02:09:36.000 Like, he just does not have the same build.

02:09:38.000 That's it.

02:09:39.000 Stop the fight.

02:09:41.000 I'll tell you what, you want a fight that was just as good.

02:09:45.000 Anthony Joshua Klitschko, man.

02:09:47.000 I was jumping on my feet.

02:09:49.000 That was one of the best heavyweight fights ever.

02:09:51.000 Ever.

02:09:51.000 For me, it was so much fun, man.

02:09:53.000 Klitschko gets dropped, it looks like he's out, and then he comes back and drops Joshua, and it looks like Joshua's out, and then Joshua comes back and puts him away later.

02:10:01.000 Now you've got Anthony and Joshua fighting Parker, who's a New Zealand champ, who's a monster, undefeated.

02:10:07.000 And then you've got Wilder fighting Luis Ortiz, and then the winners fight!

02:10:11.000 And hopefully it's Wilder vs.

02:10:13.000 Joshua Wimbledy, 90,000, son.

02:10:16.000 Ortiz is a tough fight for anybody, man.

02:10:18.000 That guy is really good.

02:10:20.000 You think so?

02:10:21.000 Yeah, I do.

02:10:22.000 You think Wilder walks through him?

02:10:23.000 I do.

02:10:24.000 I think he stops him.

02:10:25.000 Wow.

02:10:25.000 I know.

02:10:26.000 Victor Ortiz?

02:10:27.000 I know.

02:10:28.000 The Cuban Olympian boxer?

02:10:29.000 Yeah.

02:10:29.000 Really?

02:10:30.000 What makes you think that?

02:10:31.000 I don't know.

02:10:32.000 I'm just not...

02:10:32.000 You're a Showtime fanboy.

02:10:34.000 Don't lie.

02:10:34.000 Well, they're both Showtime.

02:10:35.000 Oh.

02:10:36.000 They're both Showtime.

02:10:37.000 Ortiz is older, and he did piss hot.

02:10:40.000 He pissed hot.

02:10:41.000 They're supposed to fight...

02:10:42.000 Which is hard to do.

02:10:43.000 Hard to do in boxing.

02:10:43.000 You've got to be trying.

02:10:44.000 Piss hot.

02:10:45.000 I don't know.

02:10:45.000 You look at his level of competition.

02:10:47.000 Wilder's 38-0 with 37 knockouts.

02:10:50.000 Did they maybe hit him with a surprise test?

02:10:52.000 The thing he tests hot for, he had a prescription.

02:10:54.000 It was a little muddy, but he's tested hot before.

02:10:57.000 It was a prescription for testosterone, wasn't it?

02:10:59.000 Some weird shit.

02:11:01.000 Deontay Wilder is the favorite.

02:11:03.000 Minus 235 to Luis Ortiz, 185. Well, you know what, man?

02:11:06.000 When you see odds like that, you've got to think maybe they know something.

02:11:09.000 And maybe Ortiz is, you know...

02:11:12.000 Wilder's a motherfucker.

02:11:14.000 We don't know his real age, you know, that Cuban age.

02:11:17.000 He might be 55 for all we know.

02:11:18.000 Oh, that's right.

02:11:19.000 But also Wilder's a...

02:11:20.000 I'm telling you, man.

02:11:21.000 He's a motherfucker.

02:11:22.000 He's athletic.

02:11:23.000 He's long.

02:11:24.000 Now he has all this confidence.

02:11:25.000 The only guy that not to get knocked out, Stavern, he walked through in the first round, put his hands down.

02:11:30.000 Yeah, I saw that.

02:11:31.000 That was crazy.

02:11:32.000 He's nuts, man.

02:11:32.000 That was crazy.

02:11:33.000 You got Anthony Joshua, who's just the biggest thing right now.

02:11:36.000 He's fighting Parker.

02:11:37.000 It's not a walk in the park either.

02:11:38.000 There's people like...

02:11:39.000 Oh, here it is.

02:11:40.000 There's a Stavern fight.

02:11:42.000 Stavern's never been knocked out, by the way.

02:11:44.000 Show that again.

02:11:46.000 Missed it.

02:11:47.000 I want to see this.

02:11:48.000 Boom!

02:11:49.000 His right hand is something special, man.

02:11:51.000 Yeah.

02:11:51.000 He fights long, too.

02:11:53.000 He does fight long.

02:11:54.000 He hits hard, but I just think, like, Anthony Joshua is not this guy.

02:11:58.000 No, no, no, no.

02:11:59.000 I mean, he's just not.

02:12:01.000 No.

02:12:02.000 Stavern's a good fighter.

02:12:03.000 He's a tough guy, but Anthony Joshua is a totally different level.

02:12:06.000 He's an Olympic gold medalist in the heavyweight division.

02:12:09.000 He's a fucking super stud athlete.

02:12:12.000 Yeah, I mean, this guy's out of it, and...

02:12:15.000 Wilder puts on a show and beats the shit out of him, and that's all good.

02:12:18.000 And it was a great win for him.

02:12:20.000 Great victory.

02:12:20.000 Did you see Joshua's last fight, though?

02:12:21.000 He took it on short notice because the guy didn't make the weight.

02:12:24.000 I didn't watch.

02:12:25.000 He didn't look great.

02:12:26.000 Really?

02:12:27.000 It was last second.

02:12:28.000 He fought this guy not up to his level, and it went to a decision.

02:12:30.000 Oh, really?

02:12:31.000 Yeah, it wasn't a great fight.

02:12:32.000 I have that one on my DVR, and I never got around to it.

02:12:35.000 Don't get around to it.

02:12:36.000 Don't get around you.

02:12:37.000 No, it's a waste of time.

02:12:38.000 No, it's like Joshua took the night off for the 90,000 people.

02:12:42.000 Do you think that he did that because he wasn't prepared?

02:12:44.000 Because he took it on short notice?

02:12:45.000 No, I think he was just like, I could beat this guy in my sleep.

02:12:48.000 I don't want to risk a lot.

02:12:49.000 Oh, so he didn't try hard?

02:12:51.000 Yeah.

02:12:51.000 Oh, wow.

02:12:52.000 Interesting.

02:12:52.000 He didn't push the gas on.

02:12:54.000 Wilder really doesn't have off nights.

02:12:56.000 He's trying to smoke everyone.

02:12:57.000 His 37 knockouts, for God's sakes.

02:12:59.000 Interesting.

02:13:00.000 Interesting.

02:13:01.000 Interesting fight.

02:13:02.000 Well, we know that Wilder can hit hard, and we know that Joshua can get tagged and dropped and recover.

02:13:08.000 It's such a fun fight for heavyweight.

02:13:10.000 I just want both of them to...

02:13:12.000 Klitschko is just so much more technical and classic in his movements.

02:13:14.000 Oh, Klitschko looked great, man.

02:13:16.000 Especially not Anthony Joshua.

02:13:17.000 He's moving like a motherfucker.

02:13:18.000 He looked great.

02:13:18.000 I always wanted to see Klitschko versus Wilder.

02:13:20.000 I thought that would be a really interesting fight.

02:13:22.000 I know, but he retired.

02:13:23.000 Yeah.

02:13:23.000 Well, good for him.

02:13:24.000 He fought for a long-ass time.

02:13:25.000 Oh, dude.

02:13:26.000 One of the greats.

02:13:27.000 But Wilder versus Joshua, if both of them win, you get that fight...

02:13:30.000 Oh, son.

02:13:31.000 Damn.

02:13:31.000 Heavyweight boxing's good right now.

02:13:32.000 And don't forget Tyson Fury's like, let's do it.

02:13:34.000 I'm ready.

02:13:35.000 I'm all good.

02:13:36.000 I'm not mentally unstable anymore.

02:13:37.000 Let's do this.

02:13:37.000 How'd that happen?

02:13:38.000 How'd he clean it up?

02:13:39.000 I don't know.

02:13:39.000 He got his life together, started working out, got sanctioned to fight again.

02:13:42.000 And he even told Anthony Joshua, he's like, I don't need a warm-up.

02:13:45.000 I'll beat you right now.

02:13:46.000 And I got guys who train in his gym and he goes, he came in, whatever, he's like 400 pounds, just beating the shit out of everyone.

02:13:51.000 Just walked in and just beating the fuck out of everybody.

02:13:54.000 Freak, man.

02:13:55.000 I'm such a big Tyson Fury fan, man.

02:13:57.000 Did you see the video of him hitting mitts recently?

02:13:59.000 Oh, no, I haven't.

02:14:01.000 Dude, he's really fast.

02:14:03.000 He's a freak, man.

02:14:04.000 Like, really fast.

02:14:05.000 He's a freak.

02:14:05.000 Like, he throws a right hand.

02:14:06.000 Like, look at this.

02:14:07.000 This is not the video that I saw, though.

02:14:10.000 The video that I saw, but this is good, too.

02:14:13.000 The video that I saw was him throwing a jab at a right hand and then ducking up and around behind a guy.

02:14:20.000 Or under and around behind a guy like that.

02:14:21.000 The little sidestep duck that he does.

02:14:23.000 He's like 6'8", bro.

02:14:23.000 Yeah.

02:14:24.000 He's huge, man.

02:14:25.000 And his angles are so awkward.

02:14:27.000 Klitsch didn't know what to do with him.

02:14:29.000 No one did.

02:14:30.000 Klitschko was super confused.

02:14:30.000 He makes it an ugly fight.

02:14:32.000 I think for him, I think, you know, Joshua's a nightmare.

02:14:35.000 For Wilder, he's a nightmare.

02:14:36.000 Just because you can't duplicate it.

02:14:37.000 He's a little fat right here.

02:14:38.000 I mean, he's definitely got to keep dropping weight.

02:14:41.000 But how long ago was that one?

02:14:43.000 Look at that.

02:14:44.000 2007, November.

02:14:45.000 Look at that fucking head movement, son.

02:14:47.000 He's a fucking skilled boxer.

02:14:48.000 The problem is a guy like him is he starts singing songs after fights and all the crazy shit that he does and you just think he's a loon.

02:14:55.000 Yeah.

02:14:55.000 He's a gypsy.

02:14:57.000 You gotta realize, like, he's super skillful.

02:14:59.000 Oh, world class.

02:15:00.000 What he can do is very skillful.

02:15:02.000 I mean, Klitschko didn't know what the fuck to do in that fight.

02:15:05.000 No, Klitschko was like, what?

02:15:06.000 He was hesitant because he didn't want to throw your right hand because he's doing these awkward angles.

02:15:09.000 He was getting popped, too.

02:15:09.000 He was getting popped.

02:15:10.000 And he realized, like, this guy might fuck me up.

02:15:12.000 That's why he's a nightmare for Joshua and Wilder.

02:15:14.000 He's my dark horse because you don't know how to fight him, man.

02:15:17.000 Dark horse.

02:15:17.000 If he gets his shit together, he gets some problems.

02:15:19.000 Okay, but why did he have, like, psychological problems?

02:15:21.000 What happened?

02:15:22.000 I just think, you know, he's mentally unstable a little bit, and he goes into this depression, and he was world champion, and when he got there, he didn't know what to do.

02:15:29.000 He thought it was going to cure all his shit.

02:15:30.000 But he never even defended the title.

02:15:32.000 I know.

02:15:32.000 He just gave it up.

02:15:32.000 I know.

02:15:33.000 That's what's crazy.

02:15:33.000 He just got fat and happy.

02:15:35.000 What's that?

02:15:35.000 Is it that?

02:15:37.000 No, this is pretty quick, too.

02:15:38.000 It's him.

02:15:39.000 There's a guy holding pads for him, and he just doesn't matter.

02:15:43.000 I mean, we're getting the sense of it.

02:15:45.000 Yeah, he's a freak.

02:15:45.000 He's just a really good fighter.

02:15:47.000 Yeah, man.

02:15:48.000 I'm excited about that.

02:15:49.000 I'm excited about a lot of shit, man.

02:15:51.000 A lot of shit's going on.

02:15:51.000 You got Canelo, Triple G coming back.

02:15:53.000 That's very exciting.

02:15:54.000 That's Cinco de Mayo.

02:15:55.000 They had to do that Cinco de Mayo.

02:15:57.000 How do you not do that one Cinco de Mayo?

02:15:58.000 You gotta do it.

02:15:58.000 I mean, that's just a no-brainer.

02:16:00.000 You could have bet the house on that fight being Cinco de Mayo.

02:16:03.000 Vegas had the odds.

02:16:05.000 Would it be the Saturday of Cinco de Mayo weekend?

02:16:08.000 Oh, yes.

02:16:10.000 It's actually on Saturday, too, this year, I think.

02:16:11.000 Oh!

02:16:12.000 Good googly.

02:16:14.000 It's a good time to be a fight fan, son.

02:16:16.000 In boxing and fight in MMA. And that's a fight where Canelo has a lot to prove, right?

02:16:20.000 A lot of people thought he lost the fight.

02:16:21.000 Yeah, man.

02:16:21.000 Including me.

02:16:22.000 Got that shady drawl.

02:16:23.000 Dude, I thought it was pretty clear.

02:16:24.000 Me too.

02:16:25.000 I thought it was pretty clear.

02:16:25.000 I told you it was going to happen.

02:16:27.000 You did.

02:16:27.000 You said it straight up before anything happened.

02:16:30.000 You said, dude, he is going to have to knock him out to win a decision.

02:16:34.000 Shadiness, son.

02:16:35.000 Canelo in Vegas?

02:16:36.000 I was like, you think?

02:16:37.000 Yes.

02:16:38.000 You know you got Roy versus Metro Drill on this weekend.

02:16:42.000 This weekend, right?

02:16:42.000 Friday night, right?

02:16:43.000 Is it Friday or Saturday?

02:16:44.000 I think it's Saturday, right?

02:16:46.000 Yeah, Saturday.

02:16:47.000 And then Cowboys fighting Sunday, right?

02:16:49.000 Yes, it's a good-ass weekend.

02:16:50.000 Then you also got Mikey Garcia fighting.

02:16:53.000 For Showtime.

02:16:54.000 Ooh.

02:16:54.000 Who's he fighting?

02:16:55.000 Rios.

02:16:56.000 I'm actually going out there to shoot some stuff for Showtime.

02:16:58.000 Friday night.

02:16:59.000 Friday night.

02:17:00.000 Bellator Friday night.

02:17:00.000 Sick.

02:17:01.000 Hopefully I'm home in time.

02:17:02.000 When you say Rios, Brandon Rios?

02:17:03.000 Yeah.

02:17:04.000 Really?

02:17:04.000 Yeah, it's a good fight.

02:17:05.000 I mean, it's not, you know.

02:17:06.000 Brandon Rios is a tough dude.

02:17:08.000 Hell yeah, he is.

02:17:08.000 That's an interesting fight.

02:17:10.000 Wow, that's a good boxing match.

02:17:12.000 Merit Rios versus Mike Alvarado.

02:17:16.000 You know those fights?

02:17:17.000 Yes, chaos.

02:17:17.000 Mike Alvarado's from Denver.

02:17:19.000 Yeah, Mike Alvarado.

02:17:19.000 He's another John Jones kind of story.

02:17:21.000 Blood and guts type character.

02:17:23.000 Wildcat.

02:17:24.000 Yeah.

02:17:25.000 Denver legend.

02:17:25.000 You know, I'm really glad that all this bullshit has died down with boxing versus MMA. You can like both of them now.

02:17:33.000 You can.

02:17:34.000 I deal with it all the time because of what I'm doing.

02:17:37.000 This isn't a weird segue.

02:17:38.000 Do you deal with it?

02:17:38.000 I deal with it all the time.

02:17:40.000 I can't officially announce it.

02:17:42.000 There's an announcement coming out probably next Friday.

02:17:45.000 It's a teaser, folks.

02:17:46.000 I got my own show on Showtime.

02:17:49.000 But it does just that.

02:17:50.000 It's boxing, it's fighting, it's UFC, Bellator, Showtime, HBO. There's no agenda.

02:17:56.000 It's just a variety, fun show for fight fans, entertainment fans.

02:18:02.000 That's fucking awesome, man.

02:18:03.000 Yeah, man, I'm excited.

02:18:04.000 That's awesome.

02:18:04.000 But you do see that, though?

02:18:06.000 Boxers don't like MMA, MMA doesn't like boxers.

02:18:08.000 Yeah, that's what gave me the idea for the show when I pitched the show, because when I was covering the Conor McGregor stuff, I'd have these boxing heads coming in like, what are you talking about, man?

02:18:16.000 Why can't I get out of here?

02:18:18.000 Stay in the cage, MMA. This is the sweet science.

02:18:21.000 I'm like, well, I like both, though, man.

02:18:23.000 I was a Golden Globes boxer.

02:18:24.000 I like boxing, too.

02:18:25.000 Why does it matter?

02:18:26.000 That's like saying I can't watch the NFL and watch the NBA. What the fuck are you talking about?

02:18:30.000 I like both.

02:18:31.000 They get tribal.

02:18:32.000 Everybody gets weird.

02:18:33.000 Like, this is team boxing.

02:18:34.000 We're team MMA. It's very strange, man.

02:18:37.000 It's stupid, man.

02:18:38.000 There was a thing like that with wrestlers and jiu-jitsu people.

02:18:40.000 Yeah, for a long time.

02:18:42.000 I mean, when Ensign Inouye armbarred Royce Alger in the UFC and got him and they ran backstage, Egan Inouye yells out, Fuck wrestling!

02:18:51.000 It's like...

02:18:51.000 How weird is that?

02:18:54.000 It was fun!

02:18:55.000 Because there was, look, there's a lot of shit talking going on between all the camps, and Royce Alger, who was a top of the food chain American wrestler, they thought he was just going to run in and storm the fucking UFC and start smashing people.

02:19:06.000 And they even said, in that fight, he said, it's time to bring in the A-team.

02:19:11.000 That's what he said, and it's like a little pre-fight thing.

02:19:13.000 And Ensign Inouye was like, yeah.

02:19:15.000 You guys know about arm bars?

02:19:17.000 Because I fucking sure do.

02:19:18.000 And Ensign caught him in an arm bar.

02:19:20.000 Quick.

02:19:21.000 See if you can find that.

02:19:22.000 Ensign Inouye versus Royce Alger.

02:19:24.000 It's hoist, but with an R, because he's an American cat.

02:19:27.000 And then he lost to, what was that dude?

02:19:30.000 The Wolf?

02:19:31.000 That dude that called himself the Wolf?

02:19:33.000 Jackson?

02:19:34.000 God damn it.

02:19:35.000 Great name, though.

02:19:37.000 The Wolf Jackson.

02:19:38.000 Those tribes are so weird though, man.

02:19:40.000 Us versus them.

02:19:42.000 It's very strange.

02:19:42.000 Yeah, it's stupid.

02:19:43.000 You don't have to pick one.

02:19:46.000 You know you can DVR the boxing fight and watch the UFC fight.

02:19:49.000 You can watch all of it.

02:19:50.000 They're completely different.

02:19:51.000 They are completely different and there's some things you can do in boxing that you just cannot do in MMA. You can't get away.

02:19:57.000 There it is.

02:19:57.000 Enson Inouye.

02:19:58.000 Royce Alger.

02:19:59.000 Goddamn, man.

02:20:01.000 Dude, look, they had the old fucking, the guy that looked like Boss Rootin' on the floor.

02:20:05.000 Like, the whole deal, dude.

02:20:06.000 And these are the early days.

02:20:08.000 So this was in 1997, and I was there.

02:20:13.000 I don't know if it was in Denver, man.

02:20:15.000 That's Denver, brother.

02:20:15.000 Are you sure?

02:20:16.000 It's 1997?

02:20:17.000 Are you sure?

02:20:18.000 I bet you it is.

02:20:19.000 I don't know if I went to a UFC in Denver.

02:20:21.000 That's Denver.

02:20:22.000 Are you sure?

02:20:23.000 Okay.

02:20:24.000 I feel like it.

02:20:25.000 It might have been.

02:20:26.000 Type in UFC 13, Jamie.

02:20:27.000 It was the second UFC that I worked.

02:20:29.000 The first one that I worked was in Dothan, Alabama.

02:20:32.000 And you don't remember where this one was?

02:20:33.000 I do not remember where that one was.

02:20:34.000 I don't know, I think it's Denver.

02:20:35.000 But a lot of them went south.

02:20:36.000 Augusta, Georgia.

02:20:37.000 Augusta, there you go.

02:20:38.000 Boom.

02:20:39.000 So this one is, fuck man, 97, yeah.

02:20:44.000 And so Royce Alger takes him down immediately.

02:20:48.000 And Ensign went on to submit a lot of guys, including, he submitted Randy fucking Couture.

02:20:54.000 So stop and think of this.

02:20:55.000 This is a fight at, shit, I don't know what weight they're fighting at.

02:20:59.000 It's just 200 pounds?

02:21:01.000 But Ensign went on to shoot.

02:21:03.000 Look at Bruce, handsome bastard.

02:21:05.000 97. Let me hear this.

02:21:07.000 Listen to this.

02:21:10.000 Wow.

02:21:13.000 Even then he had beautiful salt and pepper hair.

02:21:15.000 Dude, look at those traps, son.

02:21:17.000 Ensign was jacked.

02:21:19.000 Jacked.

02:21:20.000 Omiya, Japan, 30. How jacked he was?

02:21:24.000 Damn!

02:21:25.000 He was 30 then?

02:21:28.000 Is that what it says?

02:21:29.000 He was already really experienced.

02:21:34.000 He's also real experienced and had a fucking savage mindset.

02:21:38.000 Look how Jack Denson is!

02:21:40.000 Jesus!

02:21:41.000 Just skip ahead to the actual fight itself.

02:21:45.000 He was even good back then, but how much better is he now?

02:21:47.000 Well, now he just gets fucking psychotic.

02:21:49.000 Back it up a little bit.

02:21:50.000 He gets fucking psychotic.

02:21:51.000 Oh my god, look at this.

02:21:53.000 You gotta back it up a little bit.

02:21:55.000 Are you ready?

02:21:55.000 Let's get it on.

02:21:56.000 John McCartney looking slim.

02:21:58.000 Look at this.

02:21:59.000 Ensign moving forward.

02:22:00.000 Roy Salger shoots immediately.

02:22:02.000 Ensign goes to take his back.

02:22:04.000 Look at the guillotine attempt here.

02:22:06.000 Crucifix attempt here.

02:22:07.000 Look at this.

02:22:08.000 Switches it over.

02:22:09.000 Inverted?

02:22:10.000 No, he goes for the other arm.

02:22:11.000 Watch this.

02:22:12.000 Here it is.

02:22:13.000 Oh, this poor guy has no idea.

02:22:15.000 Yep, he just didn't know what to do.

02:22:16.000 Oh, he slipped out of that one.

02:22:19.000 And he's got wrist tape on.

02:22:22.000 He doesn't have anything that covers his knuckles.

02:22:24.000 Ensign doesn't.

02:22:25.000 But Algert does.

02:22:26.000 So it's smart for Ensign if he was going to get a choke or something like that.

02:22:30.000 These are the days you didn't have to have anything.

02:22:33.000 Royce is wearing shoes.

02:22:34.000 Look, he's got some fucking wrestling shoes on.

02:22:37.000 Remember guys are scared of wrestling shoes because of heel hooks.

02:22:40.000 Heel hooks.

02:22:41.000 You get a grip on the heel.

02:22:42.000 Yeah, that was a big deal, right?

02:22:44.000 Like, if you were going to fight in pride, boy, you got to be real careful of those fucking heel hooks.

02:22:48.000 Especially if you're fighting something like Josh Barnett.

02:22:50.000 Correct.

02:22:50.000 Depending on who you're fighting.

02:22:51.000 If you're fighting for doom and pride, you're going to be in some trouble.

02:22:54.000 Here it is.

02:22:55.000 He catches him from here.

02:23:00.000 Here it comes.

02:23:01.000 Setting it up.

02:23:02.000 And he's punching with bare knuckle to the eyes and the face.

02:23:05.000 It's a totally different feel, right?

02:23:07.000 It's a different experience.

02:23:08.000 Completely different.

02:23:09.000 I'm a fucking giant proponent for bare knuckle.

02:23:13.000 I really think this should go to bare knuckle.

02:23:15.000 You just can't.

02:23:15.000 Why not?

02:23:16.000 We're past that now.

02:23:17.000 We're past that.

02:23:18.000 But you're not, because the fingers are all loose.

02:23:20.000 Look, you saw this fight this weekend with the eye gouges?

02:23:23.000 Yep.

02:23:23.000 Let's talk about that.

02:23:24.000 Look at this.

02:23:24.000 Woo!

02:23:25.000 Woo!

02:23:26.000 There it goes, baby!

02:23:27.000 Oh, that's the extension.

02:23:28.000 He just has no idea how to get out of it either.

02:23:30.000 This is right here.

02:23:31.000 This is fucksville.

02:23:32.000 That's fucksville.

02:23:32.000 Tap, tap, tap.

02:23:33.000 Super fucksville.

02:23:34.000 That's it.

02:23:35.000 That's a fucked up arm.

02:23:36.000 Look, his arm's fucked up.

02:23:37.000 Probably broken.

02:23:38.000 Probably broken.

02:23:39.000 Yeah.

02:23:39.000 That's intense shit.

02:23:40.000 How jacked is that, dude?

02:23:42.000 Jacked.

02:23:42.000 Why not?

02:23:43.000 He's armbar and Randy fucking Couture.

02:23:45.000 Back in the day.

02:23:46.000 Yeah, I remember when he threw these nasty leg kicks from the butt scoot position.

02:23:49.000 It's the first time I ever saw somebody throw real good leg kicks from the butt scoot position.

02:23:54.000 Did you ever see that fight?

02:23:54.000 Because Randy was standing over him.

02:23:55.000 Yeah.

02:23:56.000 But dude, he would skip forward on his hand and slam that leg.

02:24:01.000 Like real power in the leg kicks, like dangerous leg kicks, but not thrusts, like round kicks.

02:24:07.000 Yeah, he would butt scoot forward and roundhouse kick him in the legs, and it's like, whoa, this is dangerous.

02:24:13.000 What was your take on that Matthews-Ling Jing fight?

02:24:17.000 Look, dude, that's me.

02:24:18.000 Look at my cute little face.

02:24:20.000 Those fucking eye gouges are bullshit, man.

02:24:25.000 They are.

02:24:26.000 My only thing with that, and I'm not condoning it, it is cheap, but it's like...

02:24:29.000 I don't know if you knew what he was poking, you know, but when the oxygen to your brain is getting cut off...

02:24:37.000 I get that, but you've got to resist.

02:24:38.000 You can't let a guy get away with that.

02:24:40.000 He'll do it again.

02:24:41.000 That's the ref.

02:24:42.000 Yeah.

02:24:43.000 But as a fighter, it's like, dude, I need to live a fight another day.

02:24:45.000 Holy fuck.

02:24:46.000 Yeah, but you don't do that way.

02:24:48.000 You tap.

02:24:48.000 That's what tapping's all about.

02:24:50.000 It's shady for sure.

02:24:50.000 It's straight up cheating.

02:24:52.000 For sure.

02:24:53.000 It's not just shady.

02:24:53.000 It's fucking cheating.

02:24:54.000 And they should take points away from him.

02:24:56.000 He should be sanctioned.

02:24:57.000 They should tell him, if this ever happens again, if we ever think that you're going to do this again, we're going to kick you out of the league.

02:25:03.000 They didn't even give We're going to kick it out of the UFC. You can't do that.

02:25:07.000 They did nothing.

02:25:08.000 Can't gouge someone's eyes when they're choking you.

02:25:10.000 They did nothing.

02:25:10.000 Yeah.

02:25:11.000 Well, maybe it happened quicker than I thought.

02:25:13.000 Maybe if I watched it again.

02:25:14.000 Fuck's sakes, man.

02:25:15.000 I mean, it felt like the eyes were in there.

02:25:17.000 Let's watch it real quick.

02:25:19.000 Because it felt to me like the fingers were in there for long enough for him to know the fingers were in there.

02:25:23.000 Did you hear Jake Matthews about it?

02:25:24.000 I get it, man.

02:25:25.000 It's fight or flight, and you're just trying to do anything you can not to tap, and you do this thing.

02:25:29.000 I get it.

02:25:30.000 I think most fighters can understand how it happens.

02:25:33.000 I had a coach, Lisa Bongo, go, dude, you get kind of submission, you're not guilty, and you take your finger, you rub it right up in his asshole.

02:25:39.000 He goes, because they might take a point away, but you live to fight another round.

02:25:44.000 You're not going to get tapped out.

02:25:46.000 Asshole poking.

02:25:47.000 Yeah, check that oil, son.

02:25:49.000 Instead of tapping out.

02:25:51.000 Knuckle deep.

02:25:52.000 You know, I tell you who impressed me the most this weekend?

02:25:56.000 Stylebender.

02:25:57.000 Yeah.

02:26:00.000 Dude, that was some next-level shit.

02:26:02.000 There were some great fights, man.

02:26:04.000 Stylebender put on a show, man.

02:26:06.000 I've been telling people about him for a long time, man.

02:26:08.000 There was a lot of guys who could get a fight of the night, too.

02:26:11.000 I thought, obviously, you all looked great.

02:26:14.000 Matthews looked fucking unbelievable.

02:26:15.000 Pedro looked amazing.

02:26:17.000 Yeah, there's some amazing fights.

02:26:19.000 It was very good.

02:26:20.000 The whole night.

02:26:21.000 Stylebender's a fucking handful for everybody.

02:26:23.000 Everybody.

02:26:24.000 There's a lot of dudes practicing their double legs now.

02:26:27.000 Dude, you know who's kind of dropped the ball?

02:26:29.000 You know who's kind of dropped the ball?

02:26:30.000 Again, I'm on this English bandwagon right now on the train.

02:26:34.000 It's Darren Till.

02:26:35.000 The hype for him.

02:26:36.000 They haven't set him up, man.

02:26:37.000 He's waiting.

02:26:37.000 There's all this hype, and now it's like the public's like, oh, all right.

02:26:40.000 Dude, let me tell you something.

02:26:41.000 He's going to be even better.

02:26:42.000 When they see him again, he's going to be better.

02:26:44.000 He's going to be better, but we have short memories.

02:26:46.000 The public has short memories.

02:26:48.000 They'll remember.

02:26:48.000 You've got to book him, man.

02:26:49.000 They'll remember.

02:26:50.000 Fucking book him a fight.

02:26:52.000 Nobody wants that.

02:26:53.000 Gunnar Nelson does.

02:26:54.000 Does he?

02:26:55.000 Yeah.

02:26:55.000 That's what they're going to do.

02:26:56.000 That's the fight.

02:26:57.000 They booked it, right?

02:26:58.000 When is that for?

02:26:58.000 No, they want to.

02:26:59.000 I thought he was booked.

02:27:00.000 I thought they were trying to do it in London, but for whatever reason it didn't happen.

02:27:03.000 Oh, maybe somebody got injured.

02:27:04.000 They announced the London card without a headline.

02:27:06.000 You could have had Darren Till headline that.

02:27:08.000 I don't know why that's not happening.

02:27:09.000 Well, he can't headline after one fight.

02:27:11.000 He could headline Liverpool.

02:27:12.000 You're talking about a fight night?

02:27:13.000 A fight night.

02:27:14.000 Liverpool, okay.

02:27:15.000 Oh, he's from?

02:27:16.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:27:17.000 Okay.

02:27:17.000 He's a big name out there.

02:27:19.000 Okay, a fight night.

02:27:20.000 But I mean, I think the dude should be pay-per-view.

02:27:22.000 They should make that motherfucker a star.

02:27:25.000 For sure.

02:27:25.000 Put him on a big pay-per-view card, that guy's a star.

02:27:27.000 Put him on Fox?

02:27:28.000 Put him on Fox?

02:27:28.000 Yes.

02:27:28.000 You got Jeremy Stephens versus Emmett.

02:27:30.000 Dude, Jeremy Stephens.

02:27:32.000 Goddamn, I'm enjoying watching Jeremy Stephens.

02:27:34.000 Me too, but if you have Stephens versus Emmett as the headliner, you can fucking put Darren Till as the headliner.

02:27:39.000 Here it is.

02:27:40.000 Boom.

02:27:40.000 I think it's in here.

02:27:41.000 I couldn't find a video of it.

02:27:42.000 Okay.

02:27:42.000 He hit him with the right hand.

02:27:43.000 He hurt him.

02:27:44.000 That was a great fight, man.

02:27:45.000 This is a takedown.

02:27:45.000 Here it is.

02:27:47.000 We'll just count.

02:27:47.000 So three, four, five, six, seven, eight.

02:27:51.000 It's in slow motion, but he is just digging in that dude's eyes.

02:27:54.000 Yeah, there's no question.

02:27:56.000 No question about it.

02:27:57.000 They dropped the ball on that.

02:27:58.000 That's not Goddard.

02:28:00.000 Whoever it is, the referee fucked up.

02:28:02.000 That ref has some tits.

02:28:04.000 Here's the thing.

02:28:04.000 We have the video of it.

02:28:06.000 The UFC should do something.

02:28:07.000 Someone should do something in the Athletic Commission.

02:28:09.000 Someone should do something, even maybe in Nevada.

02:28:11.000 You've got to look at that and go, hey, man, you can't ever do this again.

02:28:15.000 And we have to fine you, and we have to say, if you ever do this again, you should be suspended.

02:28:19.000 And if you ever do this again, you're out.

02:28:22.000 You can't gouge someone's eyes.

02:28:23.000 They lose their fucking vision.

02:28:24.000 One thing, an accidental guy, we can't have any leniency whatsoever towards intentional eye gouging.

02:28:31.000 Zero.

02:28:31.000 What about John Jones and striking?

02:28:32.000 I don't know if it's intentional.

02:28:34.000 I mean, look, he's definitely putting his hand up.

02:28:36.000 If you're poking dudes in the fucking eyes, though.

02:28:36.000 You're right.

02:28:37.000 Look, I'm a one-point proponent.

02:28:40.000 I think every time an eye poke happens, whether it's intentional or not, take away a point.

02:28:44.000 Groin two.

02:28:45.000 I think it's a good move.

02:28:46.000 I think every time that happens, we don't go, hey, watch the groin kicks, because you're changing the dynamics of that fighter.

02:28:51.000 You've been kicked in the nuts, you get sick to your stomach, now trying to fight.

02:28:53.000 Look at his eyes.

02:28:54.000 Jesus Christ.

02:28:55.000 There's literally no warnings.

02:28:57.000 If you do it, there's a point.

02:28:59.000 Whether it's intentional or not, you should be getting a point taken away.

02:29:02.000 Eye gouges like that, I think is grounds for disqualification.

02:29:05.000 I just don't think you can allow any room for that because guys are going to get fucking blinded.

02:29:09.000 Guys are going to get blinded.

02:29:11.000 I mean, it could happen.

02:29:12.000 And if some, most guys are completely ethical and they would never think of doing this, but if a guy wanted to, you start poking people in the eye on purpose.

02:29:21.000 I mean, Roberto Duran did that with Davey Moore.

02:29:23.000 He thumbed him.

02:29:24.000 Blah!

02:29:25.000 I'm not saying he did it on purpose.

02:29:26.000 Travis is winning that round, winning the fight, and he gets poked in the eye and he can't see.

02:29:32.000 It's a different dynamic.

02:29:33.000 He loses the fight.

02:29:34.000 It's happened in many, many fights.

02:29:35.000 Thank God Matthews won.

02:29:36.000 But I think there should be no tolerance if it happens.

02:29:39.000 Even if you didn't mean to, we take a point.

02:29:40.000 Kick to the nuts, we take a point.

02:29:42.000 100%.

02:29:42.000 I think kicking the nuts, first of all, we should really make sure that the guys are wearing either a Thai steel cup or some...

02:29:50.000 Well, a Thai steel cup is like...

02:29:51.000 That probably shouldn't be allowed to wear.

02:29:53.000 Because then that's worse than kicking a bone.

02:29:56.000 It's a problem with armbars, right?

02:29:57.000 As a fulcrum.

02:29:58.000 It gives you extra leverage.

02:30:00.000 But I don't think they stop people from wearing it.

02:30:02.000 Like Kenny Florian, that's what he used to wear.

02:30:04.000 That's old school, but yeah.

02:30:06.000 But that, look, dude, if you can catch someone...

02:30:08.000 If Damien Maia puts on a steel cup, you're in trouble.

02:30:10.000 Fuck yeah, man.

02:30:12.000 No shit, right?

02:30:13.000 But those things break sometimes, those cords.

02:30:16.000 Oh, Michael Bisping, remember?

02:30:18.000 Who was he fighting when his fucking cup broke?

02:30:20.000 Was that Anderson?

02:30:21.000 Was it GSP? Or was it Anderson?

02:30:23.000 GSP. He had to stuff it in his underwear, and it was bouncing around in his cocking balls.

02:30:28.000 That's not what you want.

02:30:30.000 No, you don't need that look.

02:30:32.000 No, you don't want that in your life.

02:30:33.000 That steel cup, just loosely banging around against your balls, hoping.

02:30:37.000 Thank goodness Jake won that fight.

02:30:39.000 There's no controversy.

02:30:42.000 Which fight?

02:30:42.000 With the eye pokes.

02:30:43.000 Jake Matthews.

02:30:44.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:30:45.000 If he didn't win that fight, then he got a problem.

02:30:47.000 I was thinking of Jake Shields when he fought Husamar Palaharis.

02:30:50.000 Remember that?

02:30:50.000 Yeah.

02:30:51.000 That was horrible.

02:30:52.000 Horrible incident of eye poking.

02:30:53.000 There should be no warnings.

02:30:56.000 No tolerance.

02:30:57.000 No tolerance.

02:30:57.000 I think if you tell John, listen, you touch his eyes, man, we're taking points, he's going to close his hands.

02:31:02.000 So he's going to be way more cautious.

02:31:04.000 Right.

02:31:04.000 If you've got a free ride to just keep your hand out like that and push guys off by getting your fingers deep in their eyeballs, which many guys have done inadvertently.

02:31:12.000 But if you know for a fact if you do that, you're going to take a point away, you're going to close your fist up 100% of the time.

02:31:17.000 But also, if it happens more than once, you've got a problem.

02:31:19.000 We're not saying you're doing it on purpose, but your style is on purpose.

02:31:21.000 It's a problem.

02:31:22.000 For Jin Ling, I get why he was like, what, fight, fight, and he's trying to get out of it, I get that.

02:31:29.000 The heat of the moment, I'm giving him that, but you should still take a point away.

02:31:33.000 There should be zero tolerance.

02:31:36.000 Why is that so hard to figure out?

02:31:38.000 When you're doing that, you know you're cheating.

02:31:40.000 When you're doing that trying to get out, you're supposed to tap.

02:31:42.000 You know.

02:31:42.000 You either tap or you don't tap.

02:31:44.000 But if he got out of that headlock, or that geetie rather, but if he got out of it because the eye poke, if the eye poke kept him somehow or another from hanging on longer, that's fucked up and it's cheating.

02:31:53.000 It's fucked up.

02:31:55.000 Dude, put on Stylebender's fight.

02:31:56.000 See if you can find Stylebender.

02:31:59.000 Stylebender, man.

02:31:59.000 Don't you think with the UFC and I know it's it's sanctioned by state-to-state and when you know with like Eve Levine and Amaza Mario Yamasaki where Dana's like he's never we don't want him refereeing ever again and they don't have a lot of that power I almost feel like the UFC needs to start maybe get away.

02:32:17.000 It's gonna be a fucking nightmare So it's a long path to go down, but dealing with these commissions that they almost have too much power You know I'm saying Well, in some ways I could see that, but in other ways I could see how you wouldn't want to give the power to the organization.

02:32:29.000 You have to give it to the sanctioning bodies that are in the states.

02:32:32.000 But they all have to catch up.

02:32:33.000 Look, it's a fairly recent thing.

02:32:35.000 If you think about the amount of decades they've been doing baseball and football.

02:32:38.000 I mean, MMA. We're using the boxing commissions.

02:32:41.000 That's the thing.

02:32:42.000 Right.

02:32:42.000 And a lot of these commissions are not that experienced with MMA. We saw that with New York when we first started doing it in New York.

02:32:47.000 Good God, did we ever.

02:32:48.000 Right.

02:32:48.000 I mean, they just legalized it and they brought it in.

02:32:51.000 There's a lot of guys that were local.

02:32:53.000 They just didn't really, they weren't that good at it.

02:32:55.000 Took a while.

02:32:56.000 I almost feel like if the UFC had, you know, the performance center, if they had a judging center, a referee center, and they kind of built their own, then sent them out to the commission.

02:33:04.000 That's a good idea.

02:33:05.000 That's a smart idea.

02:33:06.000 But the problem is, the question would be, are they independent?

02:33:09.000 You know, you have to be independent, right?

02:33:11.000 So, like, Dana White has got to be able to publicly shit on you, but you got to be able to keep that from getting you fired.

02:33:18.000 They're still independent.

02:33:19.000 I'm just saying the UFC because judging is such a big factor in our sport.

02:33:23.000 Judging is different than refereeing, right?

02:33:25.000 Completely.

02:33:26.000 An even bigger problem, perhaps.

02:33:29.000 Way bigger problem.

02:33:30.000 Yeah, the referees seem to have more training and know what they're doing.

02:33:35.000 Thank God.

02:33:36.000 There's some judging that you just go, what?

02:33:38.000 Horrible.

02:33:38.000 What in the fuck?

02:33:39.000 I'm saying reffing and judging because it really impacts the sport.

02:33:42.000 Giant.

02:33:42.000 He said, all right, we're going to put a little money into this.

02:33:44.000 We're going to train you guys on the sport and then put you out to the commissions where your own body's sanctioned body.

02:33:50.000 You're a stylebender.

02:33:52.000 Versus Wilkinson.

02:33:53.000 You know he fought 20 times in a year?

02:33:56.000 You know that?

02:33:57.000 20 times in a year in Japan or some shit.

02:34:00.000 He's so slick.

02:34:02.000 He reminds me of Michael Ben and Page a little bit.

02:34:04.000 Interesting.

02:34:05.000 No, I don't think so, man.

02:34:06.000 No, no.

02:34:06.000 I'm saying as far as his style and his demeanor.

02:34:09.000 Not as far as the weirdness.

02:34:11.000 He's much more classic than Page.

02:34:13.000 Page is like a wild, more of a karate sport point fighter who has ridiculous power.

02:34:20.000 But with Israel, it's just vicious, technical striking.

02:34:23.000 I like his movement.

02:34:24.000 He chops at you.

02:34:25.000 He knows what you're doing before you're doing it.

02:34:27.000 And he's doing a lot of feints, man.

02:34:29.000 See that?

02:34:29.000 Do you see that?

02:34:30.000 You see that fake with the right leg and then the jab pops?

02:34:33.000 One, two?

02:34:33.000 Dude, that's some high-level shit.

02:34:35.000 But look how he goes from southpaw to orthodox.

02:34:38.000 Oh yeah, back and forth, constantly.

02:34:40.000 He reminds me, and again, he's not as loosey and dynamic as Michael Van and Page, but his movement and a lot of the angles that he's using remind me of Michael Page.

02:34:49.000 But he has better wrestling, better grappling, better takedown defense.

02:34:52.000 Well, the big thing is his striking is pure like Muay Thai.

02:34:56.000 Correct.

02:34:56.000 Like when you're watching the way he's moving.

02:34:58.000 Kind of.

02:34:59.000 He uses some Muay Thai.

02:35:00.000 He'll use some karate stance.

02:35:03.000 He's very fluid.

02:35:04.000 But look at that fucking knee.

02:35:05.000 Dude, this is some high-level shit.

02:35:08.000 And this guy just wants to take him down, too, and he's a nightmare to deal with.

02:35:11.000 He threw this fucking fake kick and then popped the jab in with zero...

02:35:16.000 There's no wind-up.

02:35:18.000 You know, there's no telegraphing at all.

02:35:20.000 Everything's firing in straight and clean.

02:35:22.000 And if he can keep these guys off him, in terms of his takedown defense, he's a dangerous guy.

02:35:28.000 His takedown defense looks pretty damn good to me.

02:35:30.000 What did he weigh in at?

02:35:32.000 He's a perfect mental weight because he's not cutting a ton of weight.

02:35:35.000 Did he weigh 186 or did he weigh 185?

02:35:38.000 Did he take advantage of that extra pound?

02:35:40.000 That's where things get interesting.

02:35:43.000 That's not a crazy cut for him, though.

02:35:45.000 Well, if it's not a crazy cut for him, god damn, dude.

02:35:48.000 I mean, this fucking guy.

02:35:49.000 Look at this takedown defense, though.

02:35:50.000 It's pretty impressive.

02:35:51.000 It's fucking legit.

02:35:52.000 But he's fighting a guy he has already fucked up.

02:35:55.000 But that guy in the first round was trying the exact same shit, though.

02:35:57.000 Right.

02:35:57.000 Could not keep him down.

02:35:58.000 That's true.

02:35:59.000 You know what I'm saying, how loose he is?

02:36:01.000 Yep.

02:36:01.000 Look at that knee, dude.

02:36:02.000 He's a monster.

02:36:03.000 It's just the combinations.

02:36:04.000 What he's doing is just taking this guy apart.

02:36:08.000 He's faking, he's moving, and it's all super technical.

02:36:12.000 Like there, look at this man.

02:36:13.000 Come on.

02:36:15.000 The guy moves towards him and he backs up perfectly and then punishes him more.

02:36:20.000 And I like that he's a seasoned vet when you look at his record and what they're trying to do to him in Japan in these horrible matchups.

02:36:27.000 Come on.

02:36:28.000 He's gonna be a problem.

02:36:29.000 He's gonna be a problem for everybody.

02:36:31.000 He has confidence.

02:36:32.000 And they go, who do you want to fight?

02:36:33.000 He goes, I don't care, man.

02:36:34.000 I'll beat all these guys.

02:36:35.000 Whoever wants to come get it, let me know.

02:36:36.000 Yeah.

02:36:37.000 I've been talking to him for years, man.

02:36:39.000 When he first started fighting in China, I started talking to him on Instagram.

02:36:42.000 I'm like, when are you thinking about coming into the UFC? And he's like, I'm in no rush.

02:36:46.000 I'll come in when I'm ready.

02:36:48.000 He's fucking ready.

02:36:49.000 Yeah.

02:36:49.000 I met him at a UFC maybe three years ago, maybe four.

02:36:53.000 This guy is beating up.

02:36:55.000 This is just punishment.

02:36:57.000 The referee should stop this.

02:36:58.000 There's so many good fights for him at middleweight, too, man.

02:37:00.000 You look at middleweight, stop the fucking fight.

02:37:03.000 Yeah, that's enough.

02:37:04.000 He's trying, man.

02:37:05.000 I know, but still.

02:37:05.000 The dude's trying, but he's getting fucked up.

02:37:07.000 Like that heavyweight fight?

02:37:09.000 First of all, the guy who's fighting had the biggest head I've ever seen.

02:37:11.000 He just would not leave.

02:37:13.000 Dude, they just stopped this fight.

02:37:14.000 He looked like a bad guy from True Lies.

02:37:16.000 He would not go away.

02:37:17.000 Yeah, stop that fight.

02:37:18.000 The dude just collapsed.

02:37:18.000 I mean...

02:37:19.000 Look, he goes, eh, whatever.

02:37:20.000 He's like, eh, I did all right.

02:37:20.000 And he gave himself, I think, a C-.

02:37:23.000 That performance, C-.

02:37:24.000 Well, because he's that good.

02:37:26.000 That's no joke, man.

02:37:27.000 When you bring up his record, Jamie...

02:37:28.000 He wants everybody to see.

02:37:29.000 He's a nightmare, man.

02:37:30.000 You know, he just got knocked out like last year in a kickboxing match in Brazil.

02:37:34.000 He was talking about it like real openly online about, well, that's interesting.

02:37:38.000 It's the first time I've ever been knocked out.

02:37:40.000 You know, it's interesting.

02:37:41.000 The way he talked about it, the way he handled it, I was like, wow, this guy's got a very healthy outlook.

02:37:44.000 Did you hear Gates talking about getting knocked out?

02:37:46.000 He loves it.

02:37:47.000 Yeah, he said it was the greatest thing that ever happened to him.

02:37:48.000 Jesus Christ.

02:37:49.000 So 12-0 in MMA. Powerful New Zealand on the map.

02:37:52.000 12-0 in MMA. And if you bring up his kickboxing record, I want to find out who the dude was that beat him.

02:37:58.000 I don't even know what organization it was.

02:38:03.000 I want to say it was some organization that I don't know of.

02:38:08.000 The last two losses.

02:38:09.000 Kickboxing.

02:38:11.000 Make that larger and see what the Brazilian guy's name is.

02:38:15.000 Alex Pereira.

02:38:16.000 Oh, it's in glory.

02:38:17.000 Dude, Alex Pereira is a fucking beast.

02:38:19.000 But I think that was a decision.

02:38:24.000 K.O. K.O. Okay, that's the fight.

02:38:27.000 Yep, that's the fight.

02:38:28.000 And Glory of Hero 7, was that in Brazil?

02:38:31.000 Click on that.

02:38:32.000 Yes.

02:38:33.000 Yeah, okay.

02:38:34.000 That was the fight that he talked about on Instagram.

02:38:35.000 Well, listen, Alex Pereira is a fucking killer.

02:38:40.000 He's murking people.

02:38:41.000 Yeah, he's beat him twice.

02:38:42.000 He's beat him twice.

02:38:43.000 How did he beat him in that fight?

02:38:44.000 Decision, right?

02:38:45.000 Yeah.

02:38:46.000 So he beat him by decision, then he KO'd him.

02:38:48.000 That just shows you how good Alex Pereira is.

02:38:50.000 Look, there's a few guys that are over there that if they just learn how to fucking stuff takedowns, Giorgio Petrosian might be fucking everybody up.

02:38:58.000 Nobody wants any of that shit.

02:39:00.000 If that guy figured out how to stuff takedowns...

02:39:03.000 This kid's takedown in grappling looked impressive, man.

02:39:05.000 Yes, it does, and he's going to get better.

02:39:07.000 I mean, he's young.

02:39:08.000 I think Israel's only 25. How old is he?

02:39:11.000 28. 28. Okay.

02:39:12.000 He's young enough.

02:39:13.000 He's young enough where he has a base for grappling and takedown defense.

02:39:16.000 Oh yeah, for sure.

02:39:16.000 Where he's gonna give...

02:39:17.000 You look at middleweight division, man.

02:39:19.000 Yeah.

02:39:19.000 He's a motherfucker to fight.

02:39:21.000 He's very dangerous on his feet.

02:39:23.000 And he's not gonna take any stupid chances.

02:39:26.000 I keep going back.

02:39:26.000 I know.

02:39:26.000 Gotta see that motherfucker fight.

02:39:28.000 Well, we could easily see Till in him.

02:39:30.000 Easily.

02:39:30.000 Good.

02:39:30.000 Okay, Till easily could be moving up to 185. He's a huge 70. He's a giant.

02:39:35.000 And with these new impositions on weight classes, you know, where they're trying to encourage people to fight at a heavier weight class.

02:39:40.000 I dig it.

02:39:41.000 In California, you have to do it.

02:39:42.000 Yeah, California.

02:39:43.000 No, it's still a suggestion, apparently.

02:39:45.000 Are you sure?

02:39:45.000 Yep, yep.

02:39:46.000 Is that what Askin said or some shit?

02:39:47.000 No, Novitski.

02:39:48.000 Oh, Novitski.

02:39:49.000 Novitski said it's still a suggestion.

02:39:50.000 I saw Novitski in Boston.

02:39:51.000 Can I tell you this?

02:39:52.000 No.

02:39:52.000 I was walking to my seat, and I'm walking by, and he goes, come on, Sean.

02:39:57.000 I'm like, no, I'm like, Oh shit, Golden Stitch!

02:39:59.000 And he started laughing.

02:40:00.000 I went, dude, and I finally got to tell him, I love Nowitzki, by the way.

02:40:03.000 I love you, Jeff.

02:40:04.000 And I go, dude, I wasn't trying to be diminished or anything.

02:40:07.000 I respect the shit out of you.

02:40:09.000 He goes, it's all good, man.

02:40:10.000 It's funny.

02:40:11.000 I love Nowitzki, too, but I also love Lance Armstrong.

02:40:13.000 I have a real conflict.

02:40:15.000 I love Lance Armstrong.

02:40:16.000 Lance Armstrong is not getting happy when Nowitzki comes on the podcast.

02:40:20.000 Oh, really?

02:40:20.000 He does not get happy.

02:40:21.000 He does not enjoy it.

02:40:23.000 The fucking guy went after him in a sport where everybody was dirty.

02:40:26.000 Yeah, that's tough.

02:40:27.000 I mean, come on!

02:40:28.000 It's tough.

02:40:29.000 I'm Switzerland on this.

02:40:30.000 I love both guys.

02:40:31.000 I fucking think it is goddamn hilarious that they say that Lance Armstrong didn't win those Tour de France.

02:40:36.000 They take his name off of it.

02:40:37.000 When the guy on the list who tested, didn't test positive for steroids.

02:40:42.000 If you go back to a guy who never got popped, you got to go to 18th place.

02:40:45.000 18th spot.

02:40:46.000 So that means everyone he's racing with is geared up too.

02:40:50.000 Who gives a flying fuck?

02:40:51.000 He goes, our psychopath beats your psychopath.

02:40:53.000 Correct, Bill.

02:40:54.000 Correct, Bill.

02:40:55.000 Yeah.

02:40:55.000 I mean...

02:40:56.000 That's what happened.

02:40:57.000 He was the best.

02:40:58.000 That's the sport, though.

02:40:59.000 Exactly.

02:41:00.000 Who cares?

02:41:01.000 Well, they care.

02:41:01.000 Have you been watching any of this Olympics?

02:41:03.000 No.

02:41:03.000 God, I'm balls deep in it, man.

02:41:05.000 I haven't even touched it.

02:41:06.000 I'll watch it at night, might smoke a little weed, and I'm just so memorized by a lot of it, man.

02:41:10.000 Icarus got me, dude.

02:41:12.000 I watched that documentary.

02:41:13.000 I'm like, this is just some crazy shit these people are doing.

02:41:16.000 And I started thinking about it.

02:41:17.000 And the thing that really made me start thinking about it was, why the fuck are they not paying these athletes?

02:41:23.000 This show is gigantic.

02:41:24.000 It's worth billions of dollars.

02:41:26.000 Where's that money going?

02:41:27.000 Why are those people getting paid?

02:41:29.000 And the fucking athletes are not getting paid.

02:41:31.000 And I know it costs a shit ton of money to put on those shows.

02:41:34.000 I know it does.

02:41:34.000 Absolutely.

02:41:35.000 Not as much as the sponsorship money.

02:41:36.000 Not as much as it brings in.

02:41:37.000 Ford, Coke.

02:41:38.000 There's no way.

02:41:39.000 Oh, come on.

02:41:39.000 These organizations are raking in millions and millions of dollars.

02:41:42.000 The athletes aren't getting a penny of it.

02:41:43.000 The two most corrupted things in America, all around the world, the Olympic sports and college football.

02:41:49.000 College football.

02:41:49.000 Dude, college football.

02:41:50.000 I was going to say that.

02:41:51.000 And college basketball.

02:41:51.000 I was part of it, man.

02:41:52.000 Oh, it's so fucked up.

02:41:53.000 College basketball and college football.

02:41:54.000 It's so dirty.

02:41:55.000 It's not even funny.

02:41:55.000 College football, especially because they're taking damage.

02:41:57.000 Oh.

02:41:57.000 No, dude, it's so fucked up.

02:41:59.000 It's essentially a combat sport in a lot of ways, right?

02:42:02.000 I mean, you're running at each other.

02:42:03.000 You're trying to do war.

02:42:04.000 You're trying to get your fucking football across the line.

02:42:06.000 They're trying to stop you.

02:42:07.000 You got a team of aggressors going after their team.

02:42:10.000 You're clashing into each other at full power.

02:42:12.000 And in college football, you're fighting 12 to 14 times a year.

02:42:14.000 Yeah, and you can't hit each other in terms of punches and kicks, but you're running at each other full blast, wearing helmets and shoulder pads.

02:42:21.000 You can hit each other harder because you're doing your whole body, using your body like a spear.

02:42:26.000 Dude, Jamie showed me a highlight reel of dudes getting KO'd in football, done in reverse.

02:42:31.000 Oh, it's horrible.

02:42:32.000 The reverse thing I'm not a big fan of.

02:42:35.000 My stupid brain has a hard time processing it.

02:42:39.000 When I watch it in full speed or in slow motion, you see how the impact...

02:42:43.000 You see the helmets fly off.

02:42:45.000 It's horrible.

02:42:46.000 You see the dudes laying on the ground with their eyes rolled back in their head.

02:42:49.000 It's a different level of KO, too.

02:42:52.000 It's a running KO. There's level to this game.

02:42:55.000 In the Super Bowl, homeboy got knocked the fuck out in the Super Bowl.

02:42:59.000 It's vicious, man.

02:43:00.000 It's crazy.

02:43:02.000 What's weird, I'd let my son play football and not let him fight.

02:43:05.000 That is weird.

02:43:06.000 It's weird, right?

02:43:07.000 Because football, you know, you could get into Stanford, get into education, fighting, there's no benefits.

02:43:14.000 That's true, but goddamn, dude.

02:43:16.000 And you're sure as fuck not coming out of, you know, you don't hear, and fighting this corner out of the Palisades, you know what I'm saying?

02:43:22.000 It's just not working.

02:43:24.000 That's true, but he could be a great jiu-jitsu fighter.

02:43:28.000 If he hates money, yes, he could do jiu-jitsu and dedicate his life to that.

02:43:31.000 Why don't you just dedicate yourself to coming up with a jiu-jitsu league that's profitable?

02:43:35.000 I guess I could take some time and do that.

02:43:37.000 If jiu-jitsu gets more and more popular, how much...

02:43:40.000 It would already hit, Joe.

02:43:41.000 What does...

02:43:42.000 I don't necessarily know if it's done.

02:43:43.000 It would have cut on by now.

02:43:45.000 Really?

02:43:46.000 Yeah, I think so.

02:43:47.000 I think it's more popular than ever.

02:43:48.000 What I want to know is...

02:43:49.000 I think it's more popular.

02:43:50.000 I also think it might be...

02:43:52.000 I don't think it's ever going to be like a mainstream, like guys making millions of dollars.

02:43:57.000 It would already hit.

02:43:58.000 Well, EBI is probably the biggest one.

02:44:01.000 For sure.

02:44:01.000 And he wins the best program by far.

02:44:03.000 The best program to watch, for sure, because of his restarts.

02:44:06.000 Not even close.

02:44:07.000 The way they have the overtime system.

02:44:11.000 But...

02:44:13.000 Do people know enough about it to appreciate it?

02:44:16.000 It takes too much time to invest in knowing the sport.

02:44:19.000 What about combat jiu-jitsu though?

02:44:20.000 Where people don't care.

02:44:21.000 Combat jiu-jitsu is way easier to understand.

02:44:22.000 Why wouldn't I just watch fucking MMA? Because you see bitch slaps.

02:44:26.000 Something powerful about a bitch slapper.

02:44:30.000 I'm going to watch MMA if I want to see hitting on the ground.

02:44:33.000 That's true, but I feel like it's a lab for learning what techniques are applicable to MMA before you actually get into MMA. Basically, all the same principles apply.

02:44:41.000 If you can slap somebody in the face and you see, like, okay, in this position, this guy's very open in the face for slaps, so if this was punches, it'd be a way worse situation for him.

02:44:49.000 And some guys can get stopped with slaps, like Wagner-Rocha.

02:44:54.000 Who did he stop?

02:44:55.000 He stopped...

02:44:55.000 But when you think about the crowds booing during a UFC fight, when it goes to the ground, when Khabib's beating the shit out of someone, or Stipe's...

02:45:04.000 They were booing Francis and Stipe when he's beating the shit out of them.

02:45:08.000 Now think about jiu-jitsu, where it's slapping.

02:45:11.000 It's never going to correlate to the masses.

02:45:13.000 It's just not.

02:45:13.000 I enjoy watching it.

02:45:14.000 I'm a weirdo.

02:45:15.000 But you know what's interesting, though?

02:45:17.000 They didn't boo Khabib.

02:45:18.000 Because Khabib's mauling was so terrifying that you realize, like, nobody was like, boo, stand him up, stand him up.

02:45:25.000 No, because Khabib was just beating the shit out of him the entire time they're down.

02:45:28.000 He was beating the shit out of him, but if you look at the viewership on that, it's not crazy.

02:45:32.000 Where people are like, no one's going, you gotta tune in to this guy's beating the shit out of this Brazilian.

02:45:36.000 Wait a minute, isn't it pay-per-view?

02:45:37.000 Wasn't it pay-per-view that fight?

02:45:39.000 What was that fight?

02:45:39.000 What fight was that?

02:45:41.000 Khabib, Barbosa, and who else was on that?

02:45:43.000 I called the fight, so it had to be pay-per-view.

02:45:45.000 Correct.

02:45:45.000 Who else was on there?

02:45:47.000 No, it was pay-per-view.

02:45:48.000 You're right.

02:45:48.000 It was the good one.

02:45:50.000 What is it on?

02:45:51.000 It was 219, so it was two events ago.

02:45:53.000 Was it the co-main event?

02:45:54.000 December one.

02:45:55.000 Was it the co-main event?

02:45:56.000 Yeah.

02:45:56.000 It was a phenomenal fight.

02:45:57.000 Was that Cyborg?

02:45:58.000 That was Cyborg.

02:45:59.000 Yeah.

02:46:00.000 Cyborg versus Holly Holm in the final, correct?

02:46:03.000 Is that what it is?

02:46:04.000 I'm pretty sure.

02:46:05.000 Is that it?

02:46:06.000 Couple one-two punches.

02:46:08.000 But still, you know what I'm saying?

02:46:09.000 Maybe 400,000 people saw that, paid for the pay-per-view.

02:46:13.000 No one's calling, like, dude, you've got to tune in.

02:46:15.000 This Russian, or where's he from, Kazakhstan?

02:46:18.000 Dagestan.

02:46:19.000 Dagestan is beating the shit out of this Brazilian.

02:46:21.000 That doesn't translate like a Forrest Griffin-Stefan Bonner fight, unfortunately.

02:46:26.000 You have to tune in and buy this pay-per-view.

02:46:28.000 See, it's way easier to get, especially when it's a co-main event already, man.

02:46:32.000 It's hard to get people to buy in that late in a fight.

02:46:34.000 Like that late in a card, you already made it to the co-main event, and it's already going on.

02:46:38.000 What's the next fight?

02:46:39.000 Oh, it's Cyborg versus Holly Holm.

02:46:42.000 I'm going to watch it on the replay.

02:46:44.000 Once you're already that deep in the card...

02:46:46.000 Yeah, it's a little late.

02:46:47.000 But if it's on Spike TV and you call your friend up and you go, dude, you've got to watch these crazy white boys beat the fuck out of each other.

02:46:53.000 People aren't doing that.

02:46:54.000 Then you can do that.

02:46:55.000 People aren't doing that.

02:46:56.000 I'm not calling my dad.

02:46:57.000 You've got to tune in and see Khabib beat the shit out of this guy.

02:46:59.000 I don't know, man.

02:47:00.000 I don't know if that's true.

02:47:01.000 Because if that fight was on Fox, I really feel like people would have went crazy.

02:47:05.000 If you saw the way Khabib kept taking Edson Barboza down and mauling them, the way we were calling it.

02:47:10.000 The ratings would side with me.

02:47:12.000 This year's ratings would definitely side with me.

02:47:13.000 Yeah, but when has Khabib fought on Fox?

02:47:15.000 He's had fights on...

02:47:17.000 All his fights haven't been on pay-per-view.

02:47:20.000 Yeah, he's had fights on FS1, right?

02:47:23.000 Like Daryl Horcher.

02:47:24.000 Didn't he fight him on...

02:47:26.000 He's had some fights on...

02:47:27.000 His fighting style isn't the type of fighting style where it crosses over to the masses.

02:47:32.000 We love him because he's beating the shit out of people on the ground.

02:47:35.000 He's also one thing that people love, and that's undefeated.

02:47:38.000 Undefeated.

02:47:38.000 I think he's 18-0.

02:47:40.000 So is Gunn Askren, though.

02:47:41.000 Why isn't he a bigger star?

02:47:42.000 Not in the UFC. His last two fights before, or the fight before Michael Johnson, he fought Dos Anjos and Horcher were both UFC on Fox events.

02:47:49.000 And how was those ratings?

02:47:51.000 Interesting.

02:47:51.000 And he beat the fuck out of Dos Anjos.

02:47:53.000 He did beat the fuck out of Dos Anjos.

02:47:54.000 He beat the brakes off of him.

02:47:55.000 Yeah, and Horcher was a real last minute substitution.

02:48:00.000 I mean, real last minute.

02:48:00.000 That poor kid.

02:48:01.000 Hey man, that dude's tough as fuck.

02:48:02.000 What about Michael Johnson?

02:48:04.000 Was that Fox?

02:48:05.000 Where he's telling him to...

02:48:05.000 UFC 205. That was...

02:48:08.000 That was a terrible one.

02:48:09.000 Watch him.

02:48:10.000 Give up!

02:48:12.000 I must get my title shot.

02:48:13.000 Beat the shit out of him.

02:48:16.000 It's a fucking killer, son.

02:48:18.000 But he needed this fight, because he needed a fight where it was post-weight loss bullshit, like the weight cut, where they had to cancel the fight with Tony.

02:48:26.000 He's got a real nutritionist now.

02:48:27.000 He looked way better.

02:48:28.000 I'm very excited about that fight in Brooklyn.

02:48:31.000 Very, very excited about that fight.

02:48:32.000 Dude, I can't find a venue to do a show.

02:48:34.000 It's too late.

02:48:35.000 What?

02:48:35.000 I know.

02:48:35.000 I was going to do a show Thursday night before yours.

02:48:37.000 I know.

02:48:37.000 They can't find one.

02:48:38.000 What?

02:48:39.000 Gotham's booked.

02:48:40.000 I was going to do One Night Carolinas, but it's too small, so I'm just going to come back and do a weekend in New York instead of doing a show.

02:48:45.000 Well, you have to work with me.

02:48:46.000 I'd love to, man.

02:48:47.000 All right, we'll do it with that.

02:48:47.000 You let me know.

02:48:48.000 I worked with you.

02:48:49.000 You worked with me?

02:48:50.000 Dude, I'd love to.

02:48:51.000 You tell me.

02:48:51.000 Yay!

02:48:52.000 All right, we made it happen.

02:48:53.000 Yay!

02:48:54.000 What else is going on?

02:48:55.000 It's almost 5.30.

02:48:57.000 Did we cover everything?

02:48:57.000 How long have we been talking?

02:48:58.000 We have, man, right?

02:49:00.000 Forever.

02:49:00.000 Things go by fast, brother.

02:49:01.000 Three hours.

02:49:02.000 I feel like we haven't talked in a while.

02:49:03.000 I think we can talk for three hours, right?

02:49:04.000 That's how we were, baby.

02:49:06.000 All right, we'll wrap this bitch up.

02:49:08.000 So, uh...

02:49:11.000 Can't talk about that other thing.

02:49:13.000 The Showtime stuff?

02:49:14.000 But you talk about some things.

02:49:15.000 I have an exciting, yeah, it's an exciting announcement.

02:49:17.000 I got my own TV show coming out with Showtime.

02:49:20.000 It'll be on digital and the network on Showtime.

02:49:22.000 But there's certain things you can't say.

02:49:23.000 Yeah, well, right, they have to make the official announcement.

02:49:26.000 Oh.

02:49:26.000 We got all the contracts in place, but they want to make the official announcement.

02:49:29.000 But you already fucked them over, then, by saying it right here.

02:49:31.000 They told me I could say it.

02:49:32.000 They just said I can't say the exact thing.

02:49:33.000 But next weekend, I'm at La Jolla Comedy Store, Friday and Saturday.

02:49:36.000 One of the greatest clubs in the history of the world.

02:49:37.000 My favorite club, man.

02:49:38.000 That's a great spot.

02:49:39.000 I know.

02:49:39.000 That's as good as the Comedy Store in Hollywood.

02:49:41.000 The best.

02:49:42.000 So I'm there Friday, Saturday night.

02:49:43.000 All those tickets are almost sold out.

02:49:44.000 Two shows Friday, two shows Saturday.

02:49:46.000 And then March, I'm in Tampa, Palm Beach, and Orlando, son.

02:49:51.000 Powerful.

02:49:52.000 BrendanSchobb.com.

02:49:53.000 It should be Powerful Brendan Schobb.

02:49:54.000 Why don't you change your website name?

02:49:55.000 That's your thing, man.

02:49:56.000 Powerfulbrandshop.com.

02:49:57.000 It's everybody.

02:49:58.000 I don't think so, man.

02:49:59.000 We should all just have Powerful in front of our name.

02:50:00.000 Everybody out there, whoever you are, put Powerful in front of your name.

02:50:03.000 You'll feel better about your life.

02:50:05.000 You're right, man.

02:50:05.000 Later, fuckers.

The Joe Rogan Experience - April 07, 2010

JRE MMA Show #15 with Brendan Schaub

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