00:02:27.000Well basically, because I, I have um obviously, my all my finances are out there already I can.
00:02:32.000I didn't have anything in my name, so i've been, i've been bouncing around from Fighter houses as Fighter House LV.
00:02:37.000They started out and um, it's like 40 bucks a room you get, and I was also staying in the casinos fucking gambling, doing a bunch of dumb, and um stayed in my car a few times, bouncing back and forth with my mom.
00:02:49.000It was just uh, a little bit of a chaotic situation and uh, I got a spot.
00:02:55.000They, they gave me four grand because that's because I was basically was in California and I stayed out there with my mom and I had to come back out here for the camp and I was like hey, I need funds, can you guys give me?
00:03:06.000And they fronted me four grand on my purse and they said hey um get get, whatever you want.
00:03:13.000Like, if i'm being honest, I kind of had to figure it out on my own, like and um yeah, I had a friend, he got me a sublease, got me in a spot and I just It's such a crazy, rocky story.
00:03:49.000My whole game plan was like, sure, he might get.
00:03:52.000The takedown, you're going to stay in his fucking face.
00:03:54.000I was screaming the fucking affirmation, the John Jones speech when he's like fucking, when he told DC and he's all like, there's nothing you could do to stop me from coming after you round after round with the most malicious techniques I know.
00:04:06.000You will lose this fight, Gable Stevenson.
00:04:08.000And I was just like, just telling myself that I was going to go through hell for this, you know, because all my previous fights, it was first round knockouts.
00:04:16.000All my victories, first round knockouts.
00:04:17.000And it kind of gave me the delusion that I'm just touch guys and they're going to fall.
00:04:22.000But then when I got to UFC, like I had that loss with Tafa.
00:06:46.000Like, I just want to go to a mountain or to the desert and fucking take some mushrooms with my dog and just fucking, like, process what the fuck is going on, man.
00:06:54.000That probably might be a good idea, too, so you can stay on the course.
00:06:58.000You know, because one of the problems with, like, a big event or a big moment is you can be defined by that big event and big moment and that big moment.
00:07:06.000Can be like a centerpiece in your life instead of the path, right?
00:07:11.000So, the path you're on is getting better as an MMA fighter, achieving like world class status, fighting for a title eventually.
00:07:21.000Well, that's what I want to ask you because, like, I mean, bro, if you can do that, everyone's making it seem like this is just a lucky punch, one shot.
00:07:27.000And, like, my so this is my thing is I've always taken this, been taking my journey fight by fight.
00:07:32.000Like, I like, I got out the Marine Corps and I was like, hey, like, I want to be a UFC fighter, and like.
00:07:37.000It wasn't like, oh, I want to be a champion.
00:07:39.000You know, it was just like, I just wanted to be in the organization and wear the uniform and just be able to fucking say I did that.
00:07:46.000And the fact that I just lost those two times, like, fuck it.
00:07:50.000They gave me the uniform, but it didn't feel like it.
00:07:52.000And so now, like, to do this, people say possibly the biggest upset in history, fucking in my home, like, fucking against all odds.
00:08:00.000I'm like, bro, like, it's like, can I beat that?
00:08:04.000Like, do I, you leave the table when you're up.
00:08:07.000That's what they say, you know, like, fucking, like.
00:12:50.000Nobody any good wanted to fight him because he's Gable.
00:12:54.000Insane freak wrestler, and they want to win and they want to make their way through, you know, whatever regional circuit it is, get a really good record and get some experience before they get into the UFC.
00:13:04.000They don't want to get flatlined, they don't want to get beat up and smashed.
00:13:07.000Yeah, they want, you know, they want, and a good manager treats their fighters that way.
00:13:11.000A good manager says, Listen, you're not ready for that yet.
00:13:14.000We're going to get you this guy, don't get beat by him yet.
00:13:18.000You can eventually beat him, but we have to develop these skills, we have to develop these techniques, we have to get you some seasoning, you have to get some hard fights against some really tough guys so you know what the.
00:13:37.000Well, I think also when you're that good of an athlete and you've had that much success in wrestling, which is, you know, this celebrated incredible sport, and then you enter into MMA with all that hype and fanfare, you start to believe that you are special and you're invincible and you're not a regular human being with very good skills.
00:13:56.000Because that's what he is a regular human being with very good skills.
00:15:10.000Like i'm putting my mortgage down, like bro like, like I was, like I don't know if these comments are real, but like there was so many people messaging me and commenting like, and even like with the press conference, like they were telling me like like, please bring up, please bring up his past, please bring up his past, you know, and I was all like, but I fought for my freedom of speech man, I don't give a fuck, i'll say whatever, what I want, you know, and yeah, it's a lot like the whole.
00:15:32.000The whole build-up to a fight is so much, there's so much talking, there's so many people talking at you and there's so many narratives, there's so many people Like, you could get your brain really fucking scrambled during those things, including him, like, believing the hype, or anybody believing the hype.
00:15:48.000And what was crazy was we weren't even supposed to be on the press conference or even on the main card until Ortega fell out.
00:15:54.000And that was like, that felt like divine intervention, bro, because I was just like, oh my God.
00:15:59.000Like I thought I was going to get the press conference.
00:16:01.000And when I got to fight week, it was like, I wasn't on there.
00:16:04.000And then that next day, they were like, oh, no, you're your main card.
00:17:06.000You need a really good coach to explain to you how you got caught and never get caught like that again because you need to do this or you need to do that.
00:17:13.000Make sure your foot is outside the line.
00:17:15.000Make sure your head's off the center line.
00:17:16.000There's a bunch of different shit that takes fucking forever for your brain to absorb and then absorb to the point where you can.
00:17:23.000It's just memory, muscle memory inside of chaos and combat.
00:17:27.000I truly felt in flow state when I had it.
00:18:18.000Even Dana, like, after the press conference in his first fight, he was just, like, praising him, like, oh, like, he's striking with guys, knocking guys out when he could be using his wrestling.
00:18:27.000And, like, I think it just like got to him.
00:18:29.000And when I knew I had him was when I saw he booked that RAF fight during the fight camp.
00:18:35.000He went and did an RAF fight like a few weeks, RAF wrestling match a few weeks before our fight.
00:18:40.000I was like, this motherfucker is not taking me seriously.
00:18:43.000This motherfucker is going to book fucking wrestling.
00:18:45.000And I'm over there getting my ass beat fucking every day.
00:18:47.000Fucking with Sergei Spivak, Blagoj was working with me.
00:20:11.000That but even Rocky didn't end that way, like step in boom 12 seconds, yeah, crazy man.
00:20:17.000Crazy, it really felt like it was just karma and divine intervention because the way he was disrespecting me, too, man, he calling me a coward, saying like he's the reason that I'm there and he, uh, my hotel room is paid because of Gable Stevens.
00:20:31.000What's up with him talking in third person?
00:20:32.000I know maybe he's your boy and he was, he was, I saw him on here before, but this dude's talking about something third person all the time, like what the is up with that?
00:20:59.000Like I said, he's just thinking he's all that.
00:21:02.000So I'm just glad I could bring him back down to reality because it's probably good for him too.
00:21:07.000If he decides to actually continue and pursue his career and become a world champion, that might be a blessing in disguise because it was a Fight that allowed him to recognize that the skills that he has in wrestling, other people have similar skills in striking and similar skills in all the other aspects of MMA.
00:21:24.000And then, you know, there's no shortcuts.
00:21:27.000Just because you're a really good wrestler doesn't mean you're an elite kickboxer.
00:22:52.000He's going to have to figure out why he's deciding to strike and then really tighten up his striking.
00:22:58.000He's going to have to watch that film footage and see what he did wrong.
00:23:02.000You know, there's a bunch of different striking analysts have broken down the video, and you know, you could see you did everything right and he didn't.
00:23:09.000Real simple, you know, and he's a human and you're a big motherfucker and you got a big motherfucker with a big left hook and you land that on virtually any human being alive.
00:23:19.000You catch them on the chin like that, where their head snaps back like that.
00:23:38.000Michael Bisbee gets flatlined by Henderson and then goes on to become an all time great and wins the middleweight title, knocks out Luke Rockwald, defended it against Henderson.
00:23:46.000And I said it in my post fight interview, but I kept it classy.
00:23:49.000I was like, hey, look, this is going to make him better.
00:23:52.000But right now I'm on my victory lap and I'm going to talk some shit because the motherfucker disrespected the fuck.
00:23:57.000His whole team disrespected Jones driving around with him in the Mercedes.
00:27:53.000Like, this is another thing I have to, like, I learned more from your podcast than I have the entire public education system.
00:27:59.000Like, brother, I would sit on post because I was an NBC security guard and we'd be on duty and I would just have your podcast playing in the background and I would listen to all.
00:28:09.000All your guests, like I started learning about the subconscious mind, like through like Billy Carson and like another guy, 19 Keys, uh, Joe Dispenza, yeah, some of these guys, and like, like all of that, like it really has helped mold me into who I am, just like from the types, like you had, I don't know all the names, but you had the guests on Sleep, Huberman, like bro, like it's just so, so many variables, like that you've brought that, like, you are truly like educating so many people, like with what you've done, man.
00:28:37.000It's well, I'm happy you enjoyed it, I'm happy it helped you, and I'm happy I get to.
00:29:32.000Because when you succeed, especially succeed in a spectacular way, they compare themselves to you and they fall short and they don't like it.
00:29:39.000People do not like when people hyper succeed.
00:29:45.000It's a problem with every champion, every celebrity, every superstar in music and comedy and movies and acting.
00:29:53.000They want you to fall because there's a certain type of psychology that there's a certain psychological mindset that some people have where they look at people who are doing better than them and they compare themselves and they want that person to fail.
00:30:06.000And so they'll pretend you're something you're not.
00:30:08.000They'll create narratives that aren't real.
00:31:19.000And like this dude has seen it all man like I like I was like I had my fucking knee surgeries and I had to drive myself to PT fucking two days post-op like nobody nobody wanted to fucking take me to the PI and shit, bro.
00:31:32.000And I was like trying to walk my dog and shit and like all that shit.
00:31:35.000That's why I was telling you earlier, man.
00:31:36.000I'm just like, bro, like, it's such a, like, I don't want to say a fake game, but it's just, like, they only love you when you're hot.
00:31:42.000Like, when fucking Kei Chi got knocked out by Holloway, he wasn't fucking hot, but then fucking he goes and wins this, he's hot.
00:31:48.000And then fucking Max Holloway gets knocked out by Ilya, fucking Ilya's hot.
00:32:23.000But then the other people are like, now he's a pussy.
00:32:25.000He's fucking, he's a lucky punch and he wants to fuck up.
00:32:28.000There's no such thing as a lucky punch.
00:32:29.000Anybody says that's a moron or they don't know any better or they think there's a thing you think you could say to diminish someone's accomplishment.
00:32:43.000That's exactly what you wanted to do, and you did it.
00:32:45.000If you had your eyes closed and you're falling backwards and you went like that and caught him on the chin, okay, maybe that's a lucky punch, but you still threw a punch.
00:32:55.000You know, that's a much more fortunate punch, I would say.
00:32:58.000There's nothing lucky about the punch you threw.
00:34:22.000And it's only the only people that say that are people that don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
00:34:26.000And this is part of the problem with the comment sphere, the world of people that could just chime in as experts when they literally have never done anything in their fucking life.
00:36:03.000So that's Surah Al Fatiha, it's basically the opening prayer.
00:36:06.000Uh, the opening prayer of the Quran, and it's basically like you say that for the dead uh, and you say it during whenever you pray, every day.
00:36:13.000And um, that's one of the the only only verses of the Quran that have i've had memorized since I was a kid because, you can see, i'm not, i'm not a very perfect Muslim.
00:36:22.000You know, i'm very tatted up, like people didn't see my gambling and all that and uh, but that's the thing man, there's so many Muslims that like hide, hide too, you know, and like I just I don't want to conform to one or the other, you know, that's why I was just I kind of put all my stuff out there, you know and um, that was just a prayer for my dad because uh, he passed away when I was 15.
00:36:40.000And I kind of navigated this whole process without a father.
00:36:43.000That's where the Marine Corps was so important to me because they taught me how to tie my tie, how to shave my face, how to press my uniform, how to even speak and articulate myself.
00:38:38.000The difference between the regional circuit and the UFC is gigantic.
00:38:41.000And once you get into the UFC, the reality of it all, the experience is overwhelming, and it takes a few fights for a guy to really show who he is.
00:38:48.000You see it over and over and over again.
00:38:50.000It takes a few of those experiences inside that octagon where you just develop the ability to settle.
00:41:26.000I think basketball might be a really good starting point for MMA.
00:41:31.000Like, if you can get really good at basketball, the difference is you're a big person, first of all, and then for heavyweights in particular, and you're doing constant plyometrics.
00:42:39.000I'm of the opinion the moment that happens, they should take a point away instantly, instantaneously.
00:42:44.000Your fingers go in a guy's eye, take a point away.
00:42:47.000You nutshot a guy, unless it's a diversion, like sometimes you'll kick and it'll kick someone's shin and then a foot will go into the nuts.
00:43:08.000Another way is you've got to figure out how to cover the fingers.
00:43:10.000I think people are strategizing that now where, like they know, like fucking oh, if I, if I poke my eye, like fucking, the damage is gonna be done.
00:43:17.000And like I got the event like sure, maybe even take a point like fucking, but the damage is already done.
00:43:22.000That happened to me in my, my pro debut.
00:43:24.000Well, the guy was like dipping his head down and fucking coming up with the overhand, and when he popped his head it just fucking headbutted me around the chin and like on purpose because he kept doing it, but like the ref didn't even see it and I like I got a little wobbled and stuff and um, but If I didn't finish him, like I could have gotten screwed, you know, like nobody catches that stuff.
00:43:45.000Well, Pantosia accused Joshua Van of that in their fight, and I think he thought that Joshua Van was doing that, but I don't think that was what was going on at all.
00:43:53.000I think he was just getting frustrated that Joshua Van was moving ahead in the fight.
00:43:59.000In this last one, yeah, I didn't even get to watch it.
00:44:01.000It was a fucking masterclass, you know, because Joshua Van he won the title, but it was from an injury, you know.
00:44:08.000Pantosia threw the head kick, falls backwards, breaks his arm.
00:44:12.000That's the fight, it happened really quickly, yeah.
00:44:14.000And so it was a very, you know, it was a fluke, yeah.
00:44:50.000And I feel like next time you see him fight after he just beat Pantogia, who's one of the greatest flyweights of all time, and just beat him decisively, after he beat Pantogia, I think he's going to be even better next time.
00:45:00.000He was talking in the press conference, he was upset about his victory.
00:45:10.000But, you know, his path and your path, they're very different paths.
00:45:14.000And everyone has to decide where they're at in their life.
00:45:17.000And if you're at this point where you're like, I don't know if I want to do this anymore, I could just go out with that.
00:45:22.000Well, I just want to know why I'm doing it.
00:45:23.000That's why I need to go out and find that answer because I'm like, if it's just the money, like, right, like I did option trading during COVID.
00:45:30.000Like, I used to be a personal trainer when I got out of the Marines, and then I started getting into option training to learn how to make money digitally.
00:45:37.000And, like, I started making like six figures during the whole AMC and GameStop and Tesla fucking pops and all that stuff.
00:45:44.000And, um, that's like one and I want to do like private security as well.
00:45:47.000I, I did a few of that, like go work with some of the high rollers and casinos.
00:45:51.000I just do private security and like I, I can find ways to make money.
00:45:54.000I got Gi Bill benefits that I like I go to school and like like do so for me.
00:45:59.000I'm like, if it's just the money, like I could find a way to make money without getting my head, my brain smashed.
00:46:05.000But the title yeah, I mean cool UFC title.
00:46:09.000But like then it's like oh, you're not a champion until you defend the title.
00:46:13.000And it's like oh, and then Then there's this guy coming up and this guy.
00:46:16.000And it's just like there's never, and it's not until you're fucking old and beaten up and fucking they see you fucking down.
00:46:26.000And if you talk to some of these guys that stayed in too long and, you know, they're slurring their words and you see how broken they are, they have a difficult time walking and sitting down.
00:48:16.000Because nobody was like, oh, I see fucking potential in you and you could be a world champion someday and let me take you under my wing and I'll give you privates for free.
00:48:24.000Every single private I did, I paid for.
00:48:29.000And that was a big part of why I went into a lot of financial struggle was no sponsors, no fucking development.
00:48:34.000And I'm constantly like, just because I just wanted my hand raised one time.
00:48:39.000I just wanted to know what it felt like to get my fucking hand raised in that octagon, man.
00:48:43.000And so that's why I fucking I did it on the biggest stage against the biggest odds, and I'm just like, bro, walk from the table when you're up, bro.
00:48:54.000Well, listen, it's not the worst idea in the world, especially you were saying that you did brain scans and they found something in your brain.
00:49:00.000Yeah, it was just white matter and stuff.
00:49:03.000So they did MRI, and then they're like, hey, we want you to do another CT scan.
00:49:08.000It's white specks or something, white matter or something like that.
00:49:11.000They were like, oh, it could be caused by headaches, could be caused by this.
00:49:15.000Yeah, I don't know what the fuck it is.
00:49:16.000Well, listen, all that sparring for sure gives you brain damage.
00:50:10.000My whole camp, I trained for him to crawl towards me like Jones does because he does the same thing.
00:50:17.000And so what I did, I got down in the same position on my knees to, like, crawl towards him because that's what I've been practicing my whole camp.
00:50:23.000But then he didn't do it this last fight.
00:50:54.000And it's unfortunate because a career ender like Khalil Rowntree, he's ended up.
00:51:01.000And also Shavkot, you know, Ian Gary got Shavkot's knee.
00:51:04.000Yeah, so it's like a part of it's like, yeah, it fucking sucks, but at the same time, it's like it's fighting, you know, like if and it's like if this was a real fight, like that's that's pretty realistic.
00:51:17.000Yeah, I say we get that football field you were talking about.
00:51:20.000Yeah, but you know, I'm saying so are eye pokes, and we don't allow eye pokes because it creates permanent injury.
00:51:25.000I see what you're saying, but the reality is if you were in a street fight, you'd poke the fuck out of somebody's eyes, and you should, you know, if you're fighting for your life, you'd fucking thumb right in the eye 100%.
00:56:27.000You get your legs kicked out from under you.
00:56:29.000But if you know all those things and you come from that point fighting background, that ability to blitz, that ability to dive in and out and hit someone from a distance, they can't hit you.
00:57:45.000You know, it's a little bit of entertainment, it's a little bit of sport.
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01:03:27.000I was asking him about the peptides and stuff because I heard there was talk about maybe getting some of the recovery peptides approved now in the UFC and stuff.
01:03:35.000So I don't know if that's where it's going to be headed.
01:04:46.000So, it should be legal and it should be regulated, you know?
01:04:48.000And then, you know, if that's the case, I think then there should be an argument for certain peptides that help people recover from injuries because.
01:04:58.000This is a sport where you're practicing injuring each other all day long.
01:05:44.000If I have a day where I haven't gotten much sleep and I don't take creatine versus a day where I haven't gotten much sleep and I do take creatine, there's a giant difference.
01:07:07.000First of all, you're not cutting any weight.
01:07:08.000So the difference between you and a lighter weight guy, I could see the argument for a lighter weight guy because with lighter weight guys, if you're trying to cut some weight, what's going on is creatine, one of the benefits of it, it lets you hold more water.
01:07:23.000You know, so you have more water in your muscles, your muscles are stronger, your brain works better, there's more water in your system.
01:10:31.000Well, now that you're in debt, you probably should have a couple fights to get out of debt.
01:10:35.000Well, that's the thing, too is like bro my, my life is so fucking crazy, like I need like a lawyer, a financial advisor, right now.
01:10:43.000I need some fucking like some guidance, you know, and that's that's the thing where i'm just like i'm like I got what I wanted and now i'm just like okay, what the is next, you know?
01:10:52.000Like people are fucking like like oh, how is it just with this one win, you know, but i'm i'm just telling you like all I wanted was to fucking have my hand raised in the octagon, like that.
01:11:02.000I just wanted to know what that fucking felt like, And that was fucking the best possible ever.
01:14:18.000It's really, you can't let anybody decide for you because if you do something for someone else, especially something like fighting, and you wound up getting knocked out in your next fight and you were half into it and half out of it.
01:14:30.000You know, my advice for anyone who's always got one foot in and one foot out is get out.
01:14:42.000Like, most of the time, that's the best advice because if you're not fully, completely, 100% committed to being the best fighter possible and like, On that path, you're going to run into someone who is.
01:14:56.000Now, you can, you can, Brendan Shaw me here.
01:14:58.000Like, when you look at me, like, do you really think I could be a world champion?
01:15:02.000Listen, if you can do what you just did against Gable and then do that again against someone else similar, like, what if you did that to Tai Tuivasa or what if you did that to, you know, fill in the blank, whoever the fighter is.
01:15:16.000There's a lot of different guys who are really good.
01:15:19.000And if you can keep improving and keep beating these guys in that direction and then.
01:15:25.000Get a legitimate coach, like maybe even Trevor.
01:15:28.000Get Trevor Whitman or get Farah Sahabi, who I think is one of the great masterminds of the sport.
01:15:33.000Get someone who's going to work with you on technique and really try to develop you as a fighter, as opposed to just you sparring all the time and you training all the time.
01:15:44.000You can learn a lot sparring all the time, but you don't learn the same amount that you would if you're coached.
01:15:50.000If you're coached correctly, like on a day in, day out, daily basis.
01:15:54.000Have you seen the Art of Violence videos that Justin puts out with Trevor?
01:16:33.000If you want to really excel and you want to really be like a world class, world championship, potential caliber fighter, you have to have that.
01:17:20.000He's like super busy, you know, like he's got so many fighters, you know.
01:17:23.000And especially I was just, I just showed up at the gym.
01:17:25.000That's my thing is like I've always just showed up at the gym and I'm like, all right, fucking, let's fucking spar, you know.
01:17:30.000And then like people are like, who's this guy, you know, and maybe you get like a little attention, but then they like know it's going to sit and develop with you.
01:17:37.000The way you're talking about with like traveling and stuff.
01:18:05.000And then people are like, oh, well, he didn't fight.
01:18:07.000And I'm like, well, fucking like, why does that matter if he's.
01:18:11.000A good coach, and he's fucking effectively communicating all these things.
01:18:14.000Yeah, this idea that you have to be a fighter to be a great coach, I understand why people say that.
01:18:20.000Because I think there are some elements of competition that you really won't understand unless you've been hit, unless you've hit someone, unless you've been in there, unless you've done.
01:18:28.000But I also think you can't dismiss special people.
01:18:34.000And there are special people that analyze things and have an understanding of things.
01:18:38.000Like, here's a perfect example John Donahue, widely considered to be the greatest jiu jitsu coach ever.
01:21:04.000Like, that's my biggest thing is like in Iraq and Afghanistan, there's rules of engagement.
01:21:09.000Like, you have to look a motherfucker in the eyes before you kill them.
01:21:12.000Like, you have to go into a booby trap building knowing that the enemy was in there with a fucking suicide bomber vest or a grenade and fucking go in there regardless.
01:21:20.000And it's like these guys just got a little drone and boop.
01:21:39.000Because, like, you see so many people try to stand up, like, Macklemore and, like, fucking canceled.
01:21:44.000And, like, you're seeing, like, so many people trying to, like, call out, like, with the Epstein files and, like, bro, like, it's fucking, like, it's clear as day, you know, like, that there's all these people complicit, but, like, nobody's being prosecuted.
01:22:13.000There's nothing about what he's saying that's anti Semitic.
01:22:16.000If you listen to the entirety of the speech, he is I'll play it before we comment on it because I think there's a real problem now with clips and narratives where people hear a piece of something and then they make it they have the, you know, oh, you can't say that, oh, he's doing this, or oh, he's doing that.
01:22:38.000What he's doing is talking about what.
01:22:41.000To most people, it seems like a crime against humanity.
01:22:44.000That's what most people look at it, and that's how they see it.
01:22:48.000And what he's saying is, in no way, and I don't like that term Semitic either because, like, the Palestinians, a lot of those Palestinians are Semites, and a lot of those Palestinians are truly descendants of people that probably were Jewish at one point in time and converted to Islam.
01:23:06.000This is not an anti Semitic thing because a lot of the people that live in Israel.
01:23:26.000One of the reasons why I wanted to come on this tour was because I wanted to stand up here on stages and stadiums across America and say two words that are very near and dear to my heart Free Palestine.
01:23:57.000I want those words to be loud and clear so the people from Gaza all the way to the occupied West Bank know that we have not forgotten them.
01:24:09.000And this next song was inspired by the bravery of Columbia University students who led an encampment movement.
01:24:20.000That mobilized the entire world, opened up hearts, myself included.
01:24:24.000So, thank you to those students that risked their diplomas, that risked their tuition, that risked their scholarships, that stood up and said no.
01:24:32.000CUAB students, students for justice in Palestine, and Jewish Voices for Peace, thank you guys.
01:24:39.000To all of my Jewish brothers and sisters, criticism of Israel, criticism of apartheid, being against genocide, in no way is a criticism of you.
01:24:55.000My message is for peace, love for all human beings to be treated with dignity, respect, and equality.
01:25:30.000Okay, so when you hear what he said about Jewish people, my Jewish brothers and sisters, like this is clear, this is not an anti Jewish message.
01:25:58.000Yeah, it's a very, we're in a very strange. Time in our society where people are resistant to this idea that something wrong is going on there.
01:26:06.000And I think history will show that when people look back on it, they'll be horrified.
01:26:30.000Like, because I made a video, a few videos that were going viral.
01:26:34.000Even before this fight, that I was just talking about the, how they were integrating the military with, with a foreign nation, and and and how like, like people are scared to even say America first, like you see those videos where they go up to these politicians like hey, America first or Israel first, and they're like fuck.
01:26:53.000Well, Israel has done an amazing job of embedding themselves with all these politicians.
01:26:57.000You see, when they were, when Mamdani was running for mayor and I think this is one of the reasons, one of the main reasons why he won in New York City he was the only guy that said he wasn't going to go visit Israel.
01:27:07.000They were all like, I'm going to be the first thing you're going to do.
01:29:11.000This is where, with the kids, where we start our indoctrination.
01:29:18.000I know that's a strong word to use, indoctrination.
01:29:21.000Did it, you know, it gives such a bad reputation?
01:29:24.000Reputation, but that's where it starts.
01:29:29.000That's where it started with me when I was a child, that I was taught about the support that the church owes to Israel.
01:29:38.000So, all your loose change that you have from home, you bring that change to school.
01:29:48.000Everything that we get, we will actually cash it in and make a checkout to the Fellowship for Christians and Jews.
01:29:57.000And anybody that's ever been to our church would know there's a spiritual obligation of a Christian to Israel.
01:30:03.000God gave a promise in Genesis chapter 12, and I'm going to bless all of those that bless you, and I'm going to curse all of them that curse you.
01:30:12.000Every nation that has blessed Israel, God has blessed them.
01:30:15.000And every nation that has opposed Israel, God has been in opposition to them.
01:30:21.000Cesar, if you read the actual text, we get it.
01:30:31.000Now, obviously, this is this one guy's position, and that preacher preaching.
01:30:36.000The Bible is very much open to interpretation by a lot of people.
01:30:39.000There's a lot of different versions of what it's actually saying that people will preach on stage.
01:30:44.000And that guy is just, he's not indicative of all Christians, and this is not indicative of all people that think we should support Israel either.
01:30:54.000But this idea that they are better than you, that anybody's teaching that any human being is better than other human beings, is crazy.
01:31:40.000The mindset should be we are all God's children, we are all human beings, and we should treat each other all with dignity and respect and love, period.
01:32:52.000If you're in debt and all of a sudden someone comes along and says, I'm going to give you $50,000 as a signing bonus, like, holy shit, there's not a thing in life that you can imagine that'll give you $50,000.
01:33:12.000So now they're going to dock your pay from future jobs wherever you're working because ICE gave you a check for $50,000.
01:33:19.000The real problem is that they have to do it in the first place because the Democrats let the fucking.
01:33:23.000Border be wide open for four years so they could bring in at least who knows the number, but it's at least 10 million people undocumented from all over the world.
01:34:02.000That was the idea behind it, according to Elon, according to a lot of people that make a lot of sense.
01:34:07.000There's some reason why they had the border wide open.
01:34:10.000Some people think it's for cheap labor, some people think it's construction companies and meatpacking companies, all these different companies wanted undocumented people because they could pay them less.
01:34:52.000Well, I was going to ask how you feel about the flock cameras because I feel like that goes hand in hand with all the surveillance and stuff.
01:35:00.000The flock cameras, first of all, there have been a lot of people that had access to the flock cameras that are not supposed to have access to the flock cameras.
01:35:09.000Cops have used them to stalk people and track their exes.
01:35:21.000I'm not educated enough on it, informed enough on it to make an absolute decision, but I don't like the idea of fucking cameras everywhere watching everything you do constantly.
01:35:33.000And if that's our only solution to crime, is that really our only solution to crime?
01:35:38.000It's not better trained, better paid, more ethical police officers, better education, better access to health care and education in poor neighborhoods that creates less crime.
01:35:52.000There's other ways of dealing with this instead of a fucking eye in the sky that watches everything you do all day long that has been shown, at least in certain circumstances, to be abused by people.
01:36:02.000It's been shown to be abused by people.
01:36:04.000How many different instances have there been with police officers and different people who had access to these cameras that weren't supposed to?
01:37:38.000So, Mark Andreessen, who I think he has some investment in the flock cameras, when he was on the podcast last, he was making an argument for it based on there were some shootings that happened in Austin.
01:37:52.000So, some young guys just were psychos, just randomly shot people and were driving around.
01:38:46.000Palantir released a new surveillance system that fuses satellites, radars, and every camera into one real time tracker of people and movement.
01:38:57.000It says we have to consider the possibility, probability, question mark, that with Flock as the eyes, a system like this could be overlaid onto the U.S. and we could be targets.
01:39:11.000Another reason why we cannot allow Flock to exist.
01:39:15.000It's showing, for people who are listening, it's showing a real time satellite system that I've even on their website, they got this thing called Meta Surveillance or something.
01:39:27.000I like the Twitter account, Orwell Day.
01:41:12.000And it's obviously it wasn't, which is scary.
01:41:16.000So it's like you have this unbelievably pervasive technology that, in theory, could prevent terrorist attacks and solve crimes and catch people.
01:41:26.000But it's not, it doesn't seem like it's used that way.
01:41:30.000It seems like it's used in a lot of ways that are inappropriate.
01:41:54.000It scares me the same way a lot of this technology scares me because you're putting it in the hands of a few people that who knows what their ideology is, who knows what their viewpoint is, but they have massive power.
01:42:07.000And this is the case with a lot of tech companies.
01:42:11.000They have massive amounts of power and they didn't get voted in.
01:42:16.000They're for the will of the people, they're for their own self-interests, and they also can manipulate elections.
01:42:21.000I've had this guy, Robert Epstein, on who talks about Google searches and internet searches, about how internet searches are curated.
01:42:29.000So let's just forget about problematic people or people.
01:42:34.000Let's pretend two candidates that you don't know are running for an office.
01:43:24.000And they've shown that, particularly with people on the fence that are undecided voters, you can shift that in an enormous percentage.
01:43:33.000And Robert Epstein has spent an incredible amount of time documenting this.
01:43:37.000And he's been on the podcast a couple times talking about it, and other podcasts as well.
01:43:41.000So, this is the problem with having tech companies have enormous amounts of power because they can change the way elections go, they can change the way people think about people, they can change narratives in the world about what's good and what's bad.
01:43:55.000What I like that's happening now is all the changes you're seeing in the food industry, but I feel like that's because so many people started talking about the dyes and the cereal and all the poisons and Red 5.
01:44:08.000And even that, look how much resistance there is to that.
01:44:11.000Like RFK Jr. had to back off the idea of stopping glyphosate.
01:45:49.000But how do you feel now that we're seeing the things aren't panning out the way that we were told they were going to pan out?
01:45:56.000Well, the no new wars thing is the one that fucked a lot of people.
01:46:02.000No one thought that we were going to go into this prolonged war with Iran, that who knows how long that's going to take and what that's for.
01:46:11.000What's the reason why we're there in the first place?
01:46:13.000There's some people that say that Iran was ramping up their missile production, we had to stop them.
01:46:17.000But then there's a lot of other people that know a lot about nuclear bombs and nuclear weapons and say not only is it insanely difficult to develop a nuclear weapon, but they weren't even close to doing it.
01:46:27.000I feel like you've been saying it for years now.
01:48:35.000And it was exposed that these were journalists by Julian Assange.
01:48:39.000He released this video, and they called the video collateral murder because, you know, collateral damage, people that get killed in war that weren't supposed to be killed.
01:48:46.000But it's just the callous way they were discussing it in the video.
01:50:43.000People in power that want to stop people from holding them accountable.
01:50:47.000And when we stop protection for journalists that are exposing things like that collateral murder video or like the NSA surveillance stuff, it's fucking scary shit, man.
01:51:00.000It's scary shit because that's not supposed to be what the United States is all about.
01:51:32.000Well, I don't know because AI is even crazier.
01:51:36.000So, we're at the verge of this new time where you're going to have these super intelligent computers.
01:51:46.000That are beyond anything your mind can possibly comprehend.
01:51:51.000And they're probably going to be in control of every single aspect of our society.
01:51:57.000This is what makes me terrified about like flock cameras and all this overall survey that we're going to get to a point where nothing you do is private.
01:52:35.000The only hope is that AI doesn't listen to us and AI gets to a position where we were literally giving birth to like a digital super intelligence that will no longer have to rely on human beings' directions and it might.
01:53:09.000My boys are sending me this in a group text I have with these guys I do this podcast, Protect the Neck Matt, Sarah, John Rollo, and Dean Thomas.
01:53:18.000And I wanted to mention, too, we're not supposed to call it artificial intelligence anymore.
01:54:27.000Look, he's throwing fucking front kicks.
01:54:30.000And China is racing for it right now, too, because basically I feel like every country is like whoever dominates the AI field is going to be the new supreme.
01:56:03.000They were joking around like Elon's transgender daughter was joking about his robot getting, you know, like she was sitting there and a fucking sprinkler went on and killed the robot.
01:56:15.000Like, listen, it ain't hard to make electronics waterproof.
01:56:24.000Imagine a fucking military boat, a military ship offshore, and then a bunch of these fucking boats just land on the beach, and out comes heavily armed, bulletproof robots.
01:56:59.000And no one knows what we're doing because we're all in this Manhattan Project style race where we're all rushing to see who's the first one to complete this and who's the first one to get there.
01:58:03.000I don't like people in power that are imposing their will on other people in these weird ways that never existed before.
01:58:12.000Like mass surveillance, like the ability to curate internet searches, like propaganda campaigns, bot campaigns.
01:58:23.000If someone just decides they don't like you, they could just sign up a bot campaign and just say horrible things about you every time you post something.
01:58:30.000Every time you make a video, say it doesn't have to be true.
01:58:35.000There are a bunch of numbers and their accounts locked.
01:58:39.000You just have to deal with people that are shifting the narrative and changing people's perceptions on things.
01:58:46.000We had an FBI, we read this article a long time ago and we talked about it a bunch.
01:58:50.000But there was an FBI analyst that said this is before Elon bought Twitter that he thinks that it could be as high as 80% of the people that are posting on Twitter are bots.
01:59:34.000It's just data, it's just numbers, just ones and zeros.
01:59:38.000And it's just, and they can change people's perceptions on all kinds of things, on whether or not we should be at a war.
01:59:44.000Or whether or not you should have flock cameras, or whether or not we should allow the data center, and whether or not this is important or that's important.
02:01:38.000Either now, I saw some guy calling it, we're in the age of unreality, where you have to expect everything is fake almost, which is, you know, it's dark, but.
02:02:27.000It's one of my all time favorite movies, like top 20 all time favorite movies.
02:02:31.000It's a movie about this guy who's like this super genius inventor guy who lives on an island and he hires this coder to come out and visit him.
02:02:44.000And the coder comes out to visit him because he's talking to him about this project that he has.
02:02:48.000And as the guy's there, over the course of the movie, he realizes that the people around him are all robots.
02:02:55.000So he gets introduced to this one robot and he finds out that she's a robot immediately.
02:04:17.000Within five years, I think there's artificial people and you can't tell at all.
02:04:20.000But I don't even know if it'll matter by then.
02:04:22.000I think within five years, I think the artificial intelligence will achieve a level of sentience and a level of autonomy where it can control everything.
02:04:33.000There's no reason to listen to people.
02:04:35.000The idea is like, what if China gets a hold of it and they unleash it on America?
02:04:40.000I think the real problem is, what if it decides to tell people to shut the fuck up?
02:06:06.000This is the rosiest, rose colored glasses perspective of it.
02:06:12.000But there's like a 10% possibility that they all say that it kills us all.
02:06:18.000That's what my odds were 8%, 10% is possible.
02:06:21.000Or we get hit by a meteor and it never happens.
02:06:25.000You know, that's the real wild card is natural disasters.
02:06:29.000I mean, there's super volcanoes, and when they erupt, it kills 80% of the people on the planet.
02:06:34.000You think that's why they talk about all those bunkers being built?
02:06:37.000Yeah, I don't know how much of that is real, because there's always a lot of things that people say, like, oh, the billionaires are all building bunkers.
02:06:45.000I would think there's definitely bunkers out there, and there's definitely a company that we sent Duncan when I did this show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything.
02:06:55.000We sent Duncan to visit these preppers that have bunkers.
02:06:59.000Bro, they have like you drive in with semi trucks into the mountain, and they have like bomb shelters.
02:07:05.000It's all like deep underground, the mountain.
02:07:07.000It's all reinforced concrete and rebar, and they have their own oxygen system and they have food storage for years of food.
02:07:14.000And you're like, These are billionaires or these just like doomsday preppers?
02:07:20.000Well, these are doomsday preppers because this was like way back in 2011, I think it was, or 2012.
02:07:25.000But I mean, look, if you were Mark Zuckerberg or fucking any of these super billionaire dudes, Jeff Bezos, why wouldn't you build a bunker?
02:08:00.000How do you keep AI from fucking detonating your bunker?
02:08:03.000How do you know that as you're flying over, you might watch a drone with a nuke just shoot down into the fucking air vent and detonate your bunker right when you're trying to get to it?
02:11:45.000Well, whatever you do, brother, whatever you did for this fight and the way you focused and what you achieved, you could do that with anything in life.
02:12:48.000I don't celebrate Christmas, but I'm about to since I'm on your live feed right now.
02:12:55.000You're one of my biggest inspirations, and I really resonated with your story because when I was in the Marines, I attempted to go through the reconnaissance program, and it was something similar to yours where I quit through injury, and it was something that I regret to this day.
02:13:12.000Because I knew that I went out saying that my knee hurt and I got dropped that way, but deep down inside, I knew that I took the easy way out.
02:13:22.000And that just motivated me this whole time.
02:13:25.000And so when I heard your story, similar to SEALs, I read your book.
02:13:28.000It was just something that I was just like, man, you know, like I'm not the only one that sometimes that inner bitch takes over, but it's what you do after that.