The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #35 with Israel Adesanya

00:00:02.000 Four, three, two, one.

00:00:06.000 Stylebender, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:07.000 Salute, sir.

00:00:08.000 Congratulations, man.

00:00:12.000 Dude, your fight Friday night was what you would call a coming out party.

00:00:18.000 Yeah, in America.

00:00:20.000 People got to see.

00:00:22.000 First fight in Vegas, first main event, first top 10 guy. 0.96

00:00:27.000 And I feel like I got to shut a lot of people up because before that fight, a lot of people were like, shit, it's too much, it's too soon. 0.98

00:00:35.000 The hype. 0.99

00:00:36.000 Yeah, he's like, oh, he's this and that.

00:00:38.000 For me, I wouldn't take insult to it because they don't know.

00:00:41.000 You can't fault them for it.

00:00:44.000 Well, you did a smart thing in the way you handled your transition to MMA, too.

00:00:48.000 I mean, you really took your time and did it right.

00:00:51.000 You and I talked for the first time about this, how many years ago?

00:00:54.000 2015, I think.

00:00:56.000 You hit me up on Instagram and said, you know, when am I going to call one of your fights?

00:01:01.000 And I was like, yeah, we'll take our time.

00:01:03.000 Because my coach, he's the mastermind behind all this, Eugene Behrman.

00:01:07.000 Without him, my career would be in the shitter.

00:01:09.000 So he kind of let, just take our time.

00:01:12.000 There's no rush.

00:01:12.000 Smart way to do it.

00:01:14.000 100%.

00:01:14.000 Because you see, like, looking for a fight.

00:01:16.000 Guys like, for example, Sage Nortcutt, he's been up and down in the UFC fight, you know, like his rise and stuff like that.

00:01:22.000 But you have to, you can't just come in here with, like, maybe three fights, unless maybe, like, a Mickey Gall, who also has extensive background in something else, like jiu-jitsu.

00:01:31.000 Right.

00:01:31.000 But, yeah, I took my time, fought around the world, fought different body types, different styles, and And then eventually, I think the UFC were like, okay, what do you want?

00:01:40.000 Come on.

00:01:41.000 Like, let's go.

00:01:42.000 Well, you built up a lot of hype outside.

00:01:45.000 You built up some hype kickboxing, you built up some hype in MMA, but you built up a lot of internet hype.

00:01:49.000 Yeah. 0.89

00:01:50.000 There was a lot of highlight videos made of you and people were like, oh shit, look at this guy. 0.80

00:01:53.000 And then dudes were breaking down your videos, like breaking down technique, like look how he sets this up.

00:01:59.000 There was one that, was it Brendan Dorman?

00:02:01.000 Who did it recently?

00:02:02.000 Was it Lawrence Kenshin?

00:02:04.000 No, maybe it was Brendan Dorman.

00:02:05.000 No.

00:02:05.000 I saw one yesterday.

00:02:07.000 Yeah, Brendan Dorman.

00:02:08.000 He did one where you set that dude up and then left high kicked him?

00:02:12.000 Oh no, that was a Lauren Kenshin.

00:02:14.000 It was Kenshin?

00:02:14.000 Yeah.

00:02:15.000 Dude, those guys are so important.

00:02:16.000 Fun fact about that kick, we're drilling it.

00:02:19.000 Eugene taught it to me, that set up probably seven days before.

00:02:22.000 And he said, if this lands, it's a finisher.

00:02:24.000 He said that.

00:02:25.000 Wow.

00:02:25.000 Whatever.

00:02:26.000 And then in the fight, something happened and I didn't even think about it.

00:02:29.000 Just boom.

00:02:30.000 And it landed.

00:02:31.000 And I hurt my foot on his head, actually.

00:02:33.000 Whew! 0.99

00:02:33.000 I actually hurt my foot, because that was the third fight of the night, so it was a tournament, so the final fight, and I hurt my foot in his head, and I was like, okay. 0.99

00:02:39.000 Because you kind of see me limp a little bit, then I went in on him and just, yeah, finished it off.

00:02:44.000 That was a beautiful high kick, man.

00:02:45.000 The way you set it up was so interesting, too, because you forced him into this weird battle of erratic movement.

00:02:51.000 Like, you did a lot of this with him.

00:02:53.000 You got to take care of this first.

00:02:54.000 A lot of guys think, like, with Farah Sahabi, what he said, take care of this, scramble your brain.

00:02:59.000 Dude, for us, a hobby, he's a treasure.

00:03:01.000 100%.

00:03:01.000 He's a treasure.

00:03:02.000 I like the way he thinks.

00:03:03.000 I listen to that podcast, and yeah, when he said that, I was like, that's what we do.

00:03:07.000 I like to make these guys second-guess themselves, like, just get stuck, like, okay, he's right here.

00:03:13.000 Like, okay, I got to reset right here.

00:03:14.000 Okay, cool, cool.

00:03:15.000 Just got jabbed and then they just get flustered and they can talk all this stuff like oh we're gonna do this and this and that right and it's different when you see it on TV but when you're in because I've had it done to me I've got teammates that do it to me all the time if I'm not on my game they do it to me I'm like so this is what it feels like I don't want to be on the other side of that so if you come in overtrained yeah like Dan Hooker will catch me on some days Dan Hooker's a beast bro that's my guy bro he's a serious dude Like,

00:03:42.000 I don't know, three weeks, Shane Young in Singapore, myself, Friday night, and Dan Hooker on Saturday.

00:03:48.000 Dan Hooker's one of them never celebrating the Octagon guys either.

00:03:51.000 He's all angry, even after he wins.

00:03:53.000 I call him Vegeta.

00:03:55.000 Remember in, was it 219?

00:03:57.000 He looked at you, he told me, he didn't even mean to, but he looked at you, he's like, do you know who I am now?

00:04:01.000 And threw his mouth guard at the cage, but he said it went through the cage and hit you in the chest or something.

00:04:05.000 Is that what he said to me?

00:04:06.000 Do you know who I am now?

00:04:07.000 I knew who he was.

00:04:08.000 Of course you did, but it's because the UFC wasn't really like, you know, Yeah, I get it.

00:04:17.000 That's just because he's so ambitious.

00:04:18.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:04:19.000 But I don't have nothing to do with that.

00:04:21.000 Yeah, of course, I know.

00:04:22.000 Third party.

00:04:23.000 All I do is sit down and call fights.

00:04:25.000 Me and him go at it.

00:04:26.000 Me, Carlos, me, John Vaque, BJ Bland.

00:04:29.000 People don't know yet.

00:04:30.000 I've told them like...

00:04:32.000 When K1 was the pinnacle of combat sports, right?

00:04:35.000 New Zealand, Australasia was on top.

00:04:37.000 You had Ray Seffo, Mark Hunt, Doug Viney, Jason Vinemore, Jordan Tai.

00:04:41.000 Guys from that side of the world running it.

00:04:44.000 And other sides of the world as well.

00:04:45.000 But I felt like we fell off.

00:04:47.000 And then New Zealand combat sports kind of took a little lull for a few years, a long time.

00:04:51.000 And now we're doing it again.

00:04:54.000 Guys like me, Dan, Shane, Kai.

00:04:56.000 We're about to take it to the next level and then bring NZ Sports again all the way up.

00:05:02.000 Well, you know, what's interesting is that New Zealand in particular, like, you guys, there's something about having you guys come over here, and there's not, like, a long history where people think of, you know, like, New Zealand MMA fighters, but New Zealand kickboxers.

00:05:18.000 I mean, it's one of the most rich environments.

00:05:20.000 Like, think about all the different high-level kickboxers that came out of New Zealand, or Australia for that matter.

00:05:25.000 Australia in general.

00:05:26.000 Yeah, crazy.

00:05:27.000 Crazy number of, like, really high-level kickboxers.

00:05:30.000 When I came to help Rumble with his camp for Jon Jones, because Rashad linked it up and said, you should come help us out, and I said, yeah, sure.

00:05:38.000 So I went to Black Zillions when it was still around, and I was surprised.

00:05:42.000 I was like, man, the stand-up in America is not even close on our level.

00:05:47.000 The grappling, the wrestling, because you guys have it in schools, and all the Brazilians come here and open schools and stuff like that, but...

00:05:52.000 The stand-up was not on our level.

00:05:54.000 So I told Eugene that, and he's like, good.

00:05:55.000 I wanted you to know that, because Doug had the same thing when he went to Vegas.

00:05:59.000 And then he saw, like, man, these guys, their stand-up's not really on our level.

00:06:03.000 So we've always had that.

00:06:05.000 I don't know where it comes from.

00:06:06.000 There's, like, a whole lineage of it.

00:06:07.000 Even Ray Sefer, we come from the same school.

00:06:09.000 Sure.

00:06:10.000 Yeah, BLG school, but...

00:06:11.000 Yeah, grappling and stuff, I feel like we were behind at first because of the internet.

00:06:16.000 We get seminars and shit like that.

00:06:19.000 I've got obsessive trainers like Adam Johnson.

00:06:21.000 He's my jiu-jitsu coach in a way, and he's just obsessed.

00:06:25.000 So they're constantly upgrading everything.

00:06:28.000 I think it went from...

00:06:29.000 I didn't really get to use my jiu-jitsu much a little bit in that fight, but the takedown defense, that's all Andre as well, my wrestling coach.

00:06:35.000 He's a Romanian guy.

00:06:36.000 So we don't need to...

00:06:39.000 Go anywhere else.

00:06:40.000 I feel like we've got people where we are.

00:06:42.000 We're stacked enough to be able to level up and compete with the rest of the world.

00:06:46.000 Well, if you've got someone like Dan Hooker in your camp, just that alone.

00:06:49.000 When you have guys like you and him together, that's what forces everybody to the next level.

00:06:54.000 And everybody around you will rise up too.

00:06:56.000 They'll see what you're doing.

00:06:57.000 They'll see your fight with Tavares.

00:06:58.000 They'll see some of your fights online.

00:06:59.000 They'll see you in the gym.

00:07:00.000 And when you have a guy like that in the gym, I've always experienced this in jujitsu and everything else.

00:07:06.000 Everybody else's level rises up to try to catch up to that guy.

00:07:08.000 100%.

00:07:09.000 Because all they see, like you guys, what the world sees is just us on TV. And then they see like the highlights, the cool stuff.

00:07:15.000 But my teammates get to see me fuck up all the time. 0.99

00:07:18.000 They see me get my licks. 0.99

00:07:19.000 Of course. 0.99

00:07:20.000 So when they see all that stuff, then they see me on the world stage kicking ass. 0.93

00:07:23.000 They're like, man, of course I can do this. 0.94

00:07:25.000 Like Brad, Brad Riddell, bad-ass kickboxer, world champion, one of my teammates, a little angry panda. 0.97

00:07:31.000 But he's, yeah, he's making his moves to MMA now, right now.

00:07:34.000 But he's another one of those guys that he...

00:07:38.000 And kickboxing doesn't really do it for him.

00:07:40.000 He's built like a Chad Mendes type guy.

00:07:44.000 Short, stocky, pretty thick.

00:07:46.000 And he can wrestle.

00:07:47.000 But no one knows it yet.

00:07:48.000 So whenever he comes into MMA or the UFC, then everyone's going to be like, okay, take him down.

00:07:52.000 Let's see what can happen.

00:07:53.000 But yeah, they find out eventually.

00:07:57.000 There's guys from that section of the world.

00:07:59.000 I mean, you really stop and think about between New Zealand and Australia, how many world-class kickboxers? 0.99

00:08:08.000 Holy shit! 0.99

00:08:09.000 A lot. 0.99

00:08:10.000 Yeah, and they've run through, not just from this era, but even back in the day.

00:08:13.000 Right, Dennis Alexio, right?

00:08:14.000 He wasn't?

00:08:15.000 Yeah, right?

00:08:16.000 I think so.

00:08:16.000 Yeah.

00:08:16.000 See, for me, we're kickboxing.

00:08:17.000 Or is he from Hawaii?

00:08:18.000 I know, like, say, up to Ray Seffel's days, like Mark Hunt, but I never really invested in K1 back in the day.

00:08:24.000 I think I'm thinking of Stan Longinitis.

00:08:26.000 I think Stan Longinitis was from Australia.

00:08:29.000 But I know there's a deep, rooted history in kickboxing in Australia and all that kind of stuff.

00:08:35.000 Why?

00:08:36.000 What happened there?

00:08:36.000 How'd that get started?

00:08:37.000 No idea.

00:08:38.000 Crazy!

00:08:39.000 If you want to speak to someone, Eugene would be the guy, or Tojo.

00:08:41.000 They're the guys that have the history, just up here.

00:08:44.000 But for me, I just came in and I enjoyed it and I jumped in the pool.

00:08:48.000 Well, from the United States, there are some big kickboxing camps, but also you get a lot of guys who've come here from Holland and from other kickboxing-rich places.

00:08:58.000 Like Harry Hooft.

00:08:59.000 He's another guy right now.

00:09:00.000 Sure, sure, sure.

00:09:01.000 And of course, guys who fought over there and came over here like Alistair and guys who entered into MMA. It is interesting that for MMA gyms, there's a certain level of striking.

00:09:12.000 And then you see a Nicky Holtzkin will come and start training with those guys.

00:09:16.000 He was there when I was there.

00:09:18.000 I was watching, yeah, a little bit of his sparring.

00:09:19.000 He's good.

00:09:20.000 What's happening to him now?

00:09:21.000 I haven't seen him in a while.

00:09:22.000 I think he's boxing now.

00:09:24.000 For real?

00:09:24.000 Yeah, I think he's decided that there's more money in boxing.

00:09:28.000 Yeah.

00:09:29.000 And, you know, he's winning some.

00:09:30.000 He's got good hands as well.

00:09:31.000 He does.

00:09:31.000 He's got a nasty left hook.

00:09:33.000 Yeah, that body rip. 0.99

00:09:34.000 Yeah, I like his style.

00:09:35.000 But I think kickboxing, like...

00:09:37.000 If I wanted to take the boxing blueprint, I could have done that because I'm 6-1 in boxing as well.

00:09:42.000 So I could have done that and just got built up, fight the cans, fight some champions, local champions, some national champions, and eventually on the world stage.

00:09:52.000 But for me, I just...

00:09:53.000 I never wanted to feel vulnerable. 1.00

00:09:56.000 I never wanted to feel like another guy could kick my ass in another... 0.99

00:09:59.000 Just like, you know, Floyd Mayweather. 0.99

00:10:01.000 They're about to do this fight with McGregor Part 2. And they had all these stupid rules like, okay, no... 0.99

00:10:05.000 I think that was all fake. 1.00

00:10:06.000 Yeah, I know.

00:10:07.000 But like, even the idea of it, I'm like, if you're gonna do it, just jump in.

00:10:10.000 What are we doing?

00:10:11.000 It's like, okay, you're a man. 1.00

00:10:12.000 Like, yo, fuck you. 1.00

00:10:13.000 We're gonna do it. 1.00

00:10:13.000 Man to man. 1.00

00:10:14.000 But no kickstone, no kickstone, no knees, no elbows.

00:10:18.000 And I had that, like, it's just, I don't understand.

00:10:20.000 I'm like, why?

00:10:21.000 If you want to prove you're the best fighter, you have to fight people from other codes. 0.98

00:10:25.000 Right.

00:10:25.000 And at the UFC, that's the highest level, you know?

00:10:29.000 Have you entered into any wrestling competition or jiu-jitsu competition?

00:10:32.000 Grappling competitions, I have.

00:10:33.000 I normally place.

00:10:35.000 Submission grappling?

00:10:36.000 Yeah, submission.

00:10:37.000 I've never been first, but I'm like either second, third, or somewhere else.

00:10:41.000 But yeah, I've only ever done maybe four or five of my career.

00:10:43.000 You have a specialty, though.

00:10:45.000 And I've always felt like guys who have a specialty, if they can get to a certain amount of good at this other thing without abandoning their skills as a specialty, they're always going to have that giant advantage.

00:10:55.000 I agree.

00:10:56.000 It's just the same thing.

00:10:58.000 Whatever got them to what they're good at in, say, boxing, wrestling, they can do the same thing.

00:11:02.000 Like, Gary Tonin, what was the fight?

00:11:04.000 He had one FC or one championship and knocked the guy with the one-two.

00:11:08.000 Yeah.

00:11:09.000 That wasn't a jiu-jitsu style punch.

00:11:10.000 That wasn't like an amateur, like a guy who's never striked before.

00:11:14.000 He actually looked like he was flowing well with a stand-up.

00:11:16.000 And that's because the same thing happens in jiu-jitsu.

00:11:19.000 Whatever made him great at grappling can make him great at stand-up as well.

00:11:23.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:11:24.000 I mean, obviously, there's the added element of getting hit that some people can't psychologically handle as well.

00:11:29.000 Yeah, we know those.

00:11:30.000 Yeah, it makes a big difference.

00:11:32.000 I used to be, but then, like, now I watch my fight after it happened, and I look.

00:11:37.000 I keep looking at what's happening.

00:11:39.000 I'm searching for people.

00:11:40.000 I'm searching for shots or whatever, but a lot of people kind of like either flare, close up, or they not turn away, but like they just try to use the wall.

00:11:49.000 And you can't really use that in MMA because the gloves, they don't help.

00:11:53.000 But in kickboxing, you can just like...

00:11:55.000 Right.

00:11:55.000 I saw you were there in LA when I fought for the Glory World title.

00:11:59.000 Yes.

00:11:59.000 That kind of style, like...

00:12:01.000 You can just juggernaut walk down and beat the legs or whatever.

00:12:04.000 With those big pads.

00:12:04.000 Exactly, the big gloves.

00:12:06.000 You can still find your ways around them.

00:12:08.000 The ring was, probably if you put three of these tables together, that was the ring.

00:12:12.000 Jesus.

00:12:13.000 They're trying to rope you in?

00:12:14.000 I cracked the cord.

00:12:16.000 I was able to get my footwork around them.

00:12:17.000 Even this cage was big enough for people.

00:12:19.000 Was the cage smaller?

00:12:20.000 I was like, yeah, but it was big enough for me.

00:12:22.000 The thing about that palms cage that I really like is I feel like it's the right size.

00:12:27.000 I like the setup.

00:12:28.000 I feel like the regular UFC cage is big, and I like that it's big, but it might be too big.

00:12:33.000 That cage wasn't too big for me.

00:12:35.000 It was small, but it wasn't like, oh my god, yeah, like in the phone booth or anything.

00:12:38.000 No, I mean, it looked like you had a lot better than a kickboxing ring.

00:12:41.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:12:42.000 I mean, think about that.

00:12:42.000 It's very rare you get a boxing ring that has anywhere near the kind of distance from corner to corner.

00:12:47.000 Yeah.

00:12:49.000 But the UFC, there's some pros and cons, I think.

00:12:52.000 But it's a con when it's a fight like Ngannou vs.

00:12:55.000 Derrick Lewis.

00:12:55.000 That's when it's a con.

00:12:56.000 I have a video of me before that fight yelling, somebody's gonna die!

00:12:59.000 I know! 0.98

00:13:02.000 Dude, coming at that fight, when I saw Francis weight 253, I was like, oh shit, he's in shape. 0.99

00:13:09.000 He looked jacked. 0.99

00:13:10.000 He looked jacked. 0.99

00:13:11.000 He looked like he took it very fucking serious. 0.99

00:13:13.000 I thought he was going to realize that he got out-wrestled and out-conditioned. 0.98

00:13:17.000 He's going to come back guns blazing and try to put a beating on Derrick Lewis.

00:13:21.000 He was so tentative.

00:13:22.000 Even with a fight like Stephen Wardenboy Thompson and Darren Till, that fight, people were like, it was boring.

00:13:28.000 I was like, hell no.

00:13:29.000 Like, I enjoyed that fight.

00:13:30.000 It was just small margin for error. 0.97

00:13:33.000 Two stand-up guys who, you know, you can understand the game where it's like the full placement, you know, feints, all that kind of shit. 0.99

00:13:39.000 And then people were like, you know, that sucked. 0.97

00:13:41.000 I was like, well, you don't understand, you know, striking on that level.

00:13:44.000 But that Derrick Lewis fight...

00:13:46.000 And Francesa was like, I tried, and it was just, yeah.

00:13:50.000 It was weird.

00:13:50.000 It was the number two least amount of strikes landed ever in a three-round fight.

00:13:55.000 Damn. 1.00

00:13:56.000 And they're both beasts. 1.00

00:13:57.000 They're both motherfuckers. 1.00

00:13:58.000 I know. 1.00

00:13:59.000 They've both been in crazy fights.

00:14:00.000 They've both been in nothing but exciting fights.

00:14:03.000 Yeah.

00:14:03.000 Except for, you know, some brief moments.

00:14:06.000 So it's just a psychological issue, I guess.

00:14:09.000 Who knows, man? 0.98

00:14:10.000 He said it was too, like, if he had, like, PTSD from his last fight, like, shit, I don't want to, like, get hurt again or whatever. 0.98

00:14:17.000 And he took a beating in that last fight as well. 0.99

00:14:20.000 He did.

00:14:21.000 People don't realize he did. 0.99

00:14:22.000 He got fucked up in that fight. 0.99

00:14:24.000 Five rounds. 0.98

00:14:25.000 What people don't see is how he felt after six hours later, ten hours later, 24 hours later, when his head's pounding and he's got to close all the drapes.

00:14:34.000 Yeah, no light.

00:14:37.000 It's life, huh?

00:14:38.000 I want to be a fighter.

00:14:40.000 He's only been doing it for five years.

00:14:42.000 That's what's really crazy.

00:14:43.000 And that's the thing.

00:14:45.000 Look at him.

00:14:45.000 I'm the runt of my people.

00:14:46.000 You go to Nigeria, there's literally pics of the litter.

00:14:50.000 When I went back there, I'm like, you should not be playing football.

00:14:52.000 Big money in it, but...

00:14:54.000 I think, like, MMA, you can just grab any of those kids and give them some boxing gloves, show them how to sprawl, show them how to wrestle, and they're a beast.

00:15:03.000 Ten in Gunners, ten Jon Joneses just walking down the street.

00:15:07.000 I had the same size head, and I was just a skinny boy, so I looked like a lollipop.

00:15:11.000 I was a runt, bro, honestly.

00:15:13.000 Like, just a runt of the little boy.

00:15:15.000 I had to work.

00:15:15.000 I had to develop.

00:15:16.000 I think maybe, like, around 15, I started to get taller.

00:15:19.000 So every time I'd come back from school or from a holiday after school, I was like, there you go, taller.

00:15:23.000 And then somehow I just filled it out, realized I got athleticism, and then later on, like, I was never the athletic kid playing basketball or anything like that.

00:15:33.000 I was just the runt.

00:15:35.000 When did you get into martial arts?

00:15:36.000 I started in Taekwondo when I was a kid, just because after school programs and it was fun.

00:15:41.000 Such a good one for kids, man.

00:15:43.000 Yeah, it was fun.

00:15:43.000 That's why I liked it.

00:15:44.000 All that kind of stuff.

00:15:46.000 Yeah, it was cool.

00:15:47.000 But, yeah, and then I think I almost got my yellow belt.

00:15:50.000 Then my mom kind of pulled me out because I was just wrecking shop around the house, kicking everything.

00:15:55.000 I broke my arm doing backflips off the couch.

00:15:57.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:15:57.000 And she was just like, nah, no more.

00:15:59.000 And, yeah, I found Ong Bak, the Tony Jaa film.

00:16:03.000 I found that maybe in 2008. Yeah, 2008, early 2008. I found that when I was about 18. And I was like, yo, this is cool.

00:16:13.000 I don't know what this is.

00:16:14.000 And then I found that was Muay Thai.

00:16:16.000 Found a Muay Thai gym.

00:16:17.000 And then six weeks later, I had my first fight.

00:16:19.000 Wow.

00:16:19.000 Yeah.

00:16:20.000 That's crazy.

00:16:21.000 Yeah.

00:16:21.000 I found a video of that first fight, actually.

00:16:23.000 I'll throw it up one day.

00:16:24.000 How old were you?

00:16:25.000 18. I was 18. Wow.

00:16:26.000 Yeah.

00:16:27.000 But I'm glad.

00:16:27.000 People are like, oh, isn't that a little bit too late?

00:16:29.000 But I'm glad that happened because I didn't feel like I was worn out.

00:16:32.000 Because I've seen some kids who, protégés, fighting from like the age of 12 or 10. And then, you know, like in those smoking shows.

00:16:39.000 And then like, they get to a certain point and they just like, I want to do something else.

00:16:42.000 Not all of them, some of them.

00:16:45.000 Sometimes they come back as well, but sometimes they just find, I'm sick of this, you know, I want to do something else.

00:16:49.000 You find that a lot with like sons of trainers.

00:16:52.000 Yeah, it was actually the son of one of my first trainers and he's doing something else now.

00:16:56.000 But yeah, for me, I think 18 was a good year, like good age to start and I just felt fresh.

00:17:01.000 It was something I wanted to do.

00:17:02.000 After my first fight, I was just chasing that again, that feeling.

00:17:05.000 Because I've always been a dancer as well, so I like that roar of the crowd.

00:17:09.000 So after my first fight again, people were like, bro, that was sick. 0.99

00:17:11.000 And I'm like, what the fuck did I do? 0.96

00:17:12.000 I don't remember it. 0.99

00:17:13.000 You just went into a zone?

00:17:14.000 Yeah, bro, I was scared.

00:17:15.000 The guy looked like David Tua.

00:17:16.000 You know when David Tua had that haircut?

00:17:17.000 Yeah.

00:17:18.000 And he was not 80 kgs.

00:17:20.000 He was probably like maybe 92. What is 92 in...

00:17:23.000 Pounds.

00:17:24.000 Okay, maybe 205. So 80 cages would have been like, say, 175 or something.

00:17:30.000 So he was way overweight?

00:17:32.000 Yeah. 0.87

00:17:32.000 But my trainer kind of just, he was a crazy dude. 0.87

00:17:35.000 So he just let it go.

00:17:37.000 And you have to realize, at a certain point I realized, okay, this is not the guy to get me to that level I want to be.

00:17:42.000 So I left and I moved to Auckland, the main city.

00:17:45.000 Was your trainer encouraging brawls too much? 1.00

00:17:47.000 He wanted me to fight his style.

00:17:49.000 What was that?

00:17:50.000 He'd always tell me, you need to have your hands up.

00:17:53.000 He was a real purist of Muay Thai, so he wanted me to have that sway and stuff like that.

00:18:00.000 And that's the difference between someone that wants you to fight like them and someone like Eugene, my coach.

00:18:04.000 When he first saw me, he was like, cool.

00:18:07.000 We can work with that.

00:18:07.000 He never tried to make me fight like him.

00:18:12.000 He never tried to make me do anything like this guy.

00:18:14.000 He just said, okay, I want you to jab like this.

00:18:16.000 It would almost be like trying to get someone to write songs like the songs they write.

00:18:20.000 Exactly.

00:18:21.000 This is expression.

00:18:21.000 This is art.

00:18:22.000 Let me do me.

00:18:23.000 And it really is.

00:18:24.000 And he could never understand it.

00:18:25.000 He was like, put your hands up.

00:18:27.000 And people still say, get your hands up.

00:18:30.000 I'm like, that's textbook.

00:18:31.000 I don't read the textbook.

00:18:32.000 I had to look at it.

00:18:33.000 It was all right.

00:18:35.000 I like the balance I feel when I'm over here.

00:18:38.000 Like my takedowns, I was able to stuff them because my hands are already low.

00:18:41.000 And I can still shell up when I need to.

00:18:43.000 I can still fire hands up when I need to, but I like my hands down.

00:18:46.000 There's a different consideration when you have to stop takedowns.

00:18:48.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:18:49.000 Even in kickboxing, my hands were always down a lot of the times.

00:18:52.000 Having the ability to get an underhook or double underhooks quickly.

00:18:55.000 But in kickboxing, the thing is...

00:18:56.000 I like my jab from there, from the low.

00:18:58.000 Right, can't see where it's going.

00:19:00.000 There's definitely pros and cons to everything, but a guy who's got the kind of speed that you have can take advantage many times more of having hands low.

00:19:09.000 It really depends.

00:19:10.000 I mean, look at Roy Jones. 0.98

00:19:11.000 How the fuck do you say hands down's no good? 0.99

00:19:14.000 Roy Jones Jr. kept his hands down all the time. 0.99

00:19:16.000 And he had the eyes as well.

00:19:17.000 I think you can train the eyes.

00:19:19.000 I always had quick reflexes, but I think you can train the eyes in certain ways.

00:19:25.000 Roy could just land that lead left hook like a jab.

00:19:29.000 And he throws his shoulder out of it.

00:19:31.000 He would just snap in there, man. 0.94

00:19:33.000 Crazy.

00:19:33.000 I remember that one with the four right hooks.

00:19:35.000 He hit that guy with...

00:19:36.000 Remember he had giant biceps?

00:19:38.000 Yeah.

00:19:38.000 But he didn't have big triceps.

00:19:40.000 Nah.

00:19:40.000 Like everything was hooks.

00:19:41.000 It was all like from throwing punches in the back.

00:19:43.000 That's the thing.

00:19:44.000 Most people were always leading with jabs as well. 0.93

00:19:46.000 So that would never help him.

00:19:47.000 Lead left hook. 0.91

00:19:48.000 That was something different at the time that no one could figure out.

00:19:50.000 They couldn't crack the code.

00:19:51.000 Roy Jones Jr. in his prime.

00:19:54.000 It's like his song, Y'all Must Have Forgot.

00:19:57.000 Oh, they forgot.

00:19:57.000 That's what it is.

00:19:58.000 Y'all Must Have Forgot.

00:19:59.000 That was his song.

00:20:00.000 Because people did forget.

00:20:01.000 But the first boxer I ever saw when I was a kid, because I never really watched fights. 0.98

00:20:04.000 I was playing with sticks, toys, whatever, making my own shit. 0.88

00:20:08.000 But I saw Prince Nassim Hamed, and I remember this when I was about four. 0.98

00:20:11.000 Because I've always seen boxing on TV. But he was the first boxer I saw that just made me pause and watch and just smile and laugh.

00:20:18.000 Like, what is this? 1.00

00:20:19.000 Oh, he was doing crazy shit. 1.00

00:20:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:20:21.000 Just because the way he moved. 1.00

00:20:23.000 And guys have always...

00:20:24.000 I've always been drawing to guys like that.

00:20:25.000 Like Ali. 0.52

00:20:26.000 Even Rashad when he was in his prime doing his thing.

00:20:30.000 Roy Jones, you know.

00:20:32.000 Like Pernod Whitaker, Sweet Pea.

00:20:34.000 Dude, people forgot about Whitaker.

00:20:36.000 Exactly.

00:20:36.000 It slept on him.

00:20:37.000 That shoulder roll.

00:20:39.000 I mean, he was a master at that.

00:20:41.000 Before, we really saw it from Mayweather.

00:20:43.000 Mayweather, obviously, has mastered it better than anybody.

00:20:46.000 He gets hit less than anybody that's ever lived.

00:20:48.000 Yeah.

00:20:49.000 You think about the fact that guy is 50-0, and really, I mean, you think about...

00:20:54.000 Still talks well, doesn't...

00:20:55.000 Talks great!

00:20:56.000 Can count.

00:20:57.000 Yeah, I mean, Conor clipped him with one left hand, like, real clean, and that was it.

00:21:02.000 The uppercut.

00:21:02.000 Yeah, I mean, he hit him with a couple other punches, but none of them were, like, dangerous.

00:21:06.000 He rolled with them.

00:21:07.000 Yeah, he rolled with everything. 0.98

00:21:08.000 I fucked up in my fight, because I... At one point after I felt his jab, I was like, you know what? 0.97

00:21:13.000 I can just close the distance a little bit more. 0.98

00:21:16.000 And then that's how I got this shiner right here.

00:21:18.000 But the right hands, this right side's fine because I was just rolling with a lot of them.

00:21:21.000 I was rolling with a lot of them.

00:21:22.000 So you just underestimated his jab?

00:21:24.000 I underestimated his head movement at first.

00:21:27.000 So in the beginning, he was moving away from my jab.

00:21:29.000 And then Eugene said, all right, drop it down.

00:21:31.000 Drop it down to the chin a little bit.

00:21:32.000 And I did.

00:21:34.000 But eventually I could adjust.

00:21:36.000 I think from round two, I figured out the range.

00:21:38.000 But his jab...

00:21:40.000 It wasn't as powerful as I assumed it would be, so I thought, oh, I can just take and give.

00:21:45.000 And that's how I got the shine.

00:21:46.000 I ran into one of them.

00:21:47.000 But, yeah, it was a big mistake. 0.93

00:21:49.000 Silly mistake.

00:21:50.000 So, on the same card, Uriah Hall fought Paulo Costa.

00:21:54.000 A lot of people are thinking that might be the next fight for you.

00:21:57.000 I told Dana.

00:21:58.000 Funny story.

00:21:59.000 So, we went to...

00:22:01.000 After my fight, I chilled in my hotel room, just hung out with my boys.

00:22:04.000 But then after Dan's fight, we went out, and someone told me, oh, Dana's in this club.

00:22:09.000 He's the same.

00:22:09.000 I was like, oh, cool.

00:22:10.000 Whatever.

00:22:11.000 And when I got some money, and I was talking to the guy that led me, and then, because he found out I'm a UFC fighter, he just led me to the private room, and I see McMahon, and I'm like, what the hell?

00:22:19.000 And then we just start yarning, talking to people, and he's like, I'll introduce you to Dana.

00:22:22.000 And I finally meet Dana properly, and we start talking.

00:22:25.000 And I drop this name in there.

00:22:26.000 I say, yeah, I want to fight Paula next.

00:22:28.000 And he's like, hmm.

00:22:29.000 They have other ideas.

00:22:30.000 Fair enough.

00:22:31.000 But they've done this a long time.

00:22:33.000 They're promoters.

00:22:34.000 So I think what they want is me being a bigger name, Paul being a bigger name, and we fight like in some super fight.

00:22:43.000 And I can see why that.

00:22:45.000 But for me, I want to take him out now. 0.99

00:22:47.000 He just knocked out Riara Hall, who was talking mad shit as well. 1.00

00:22:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:22:53.000 Yeah, I want to take him out now.

00:22:56.000 We'll probably fight again.

00:22:57.000 We'll probably fight more than once.

00:22:58.000 We'll see what happens.

00:23:00.000 How long does the UFC career last?

00:23:02.000 Me and him will probably fight more than once.

00:23:05.000 Yeah, I would imagine that as well.

00:23:06.000 I was very impressed with him versus Uriah Hall.

00:23:09.000 It's interesting because the contrast between your fight on Friday night and his fight on Saturday night.

00:23:13.000 That was just a brawl, like a technical brawl. 1.00

00:23:15.000 He got hit with a lot of jabs, but he is a relentless, marauding motherfucker. 0.99

00:23:20.000 That guy, he's very aggressive. 1.00

00:23:22.000 Yeah, and this thing is footwork.

00:23:24.000 Uriah Hall, I was watching him.

00:23:25.000 Why are you right there?

00:23:26.000 It's easy to look good against someone who just sits right there like a punching bag, you know?

00:23:31.000 Uriah had tremendous potential when we saw him in The Ultimate Fighter.

00:23:36.000 We all saw it.

00:23:36.000 But it also might be similar to what you were talking about with Sage Northcutt, who I also think still has tremendous potential and still very young.

00:23:44.000 I think there's an approach to take that you took that I think is really smart.

00:23:48.000 You know where I got it from?

00:23:49.000 One of the talk shows, UFC talk shows, Kenny Florin just said it.

00:23:53.000 He said, get your experience outside the UFC before you go into the UFC. Wise words.

00:23:59.000 Ten fights, nine fights, and just like fight a lot of good guys.

00:24:02.000 Not just like, you know, Listen to me, man.

00:24:04.000 You don't want to fight you on your second fight, right? 0.99

00:24:07.000 Imagine you're a guy, you could throw a couple good punches, you think you're a badass, and then your stupid coach says, okay, you're going to fight this guy. 0.99

00:24:13.000 They call him the style bender. 1.00

00:24:15.000 Like, oh, okay, okay, okay. 1.00

00:24:17.000 Yeah, I'll fuck up and do anybody, bro. 1.00

00:24:19.000 I'll fight anybody. 0.99

00:24:20.000 I'll fight for the title.

00:24:21.000 That's my mentality.

00:24:21.000 Yeah.

00:24:22.000 Those guys, they get lit up, and they don't understand.

00:24:24.000 They really don't understand.

00:24:26.000 Jump in the pool too quick.

00:24:27.000 I had a conversation with a friend of mine who was a jiu-jitsu.

00:24:28.000 He was a badass jiu-jitsu.

00:24:30.000 And he said he was going to go into MMA. And I'm like, okay, how long have you been training striking?

00:24:36.000 And he's like, well, you know, he goes for the last four months pretty regularly.

00:24:40.000 Four months. 1.00

00:24:40.000 I go, Are you out of your fucking mind? 1.00

00:24:42.000 I go, listen to me, man. 1.00

00:24:43.000 He was a black belt in jujitsu.

00:24:44.000 Like, nasty on the ground.

00:24:45.000 I go, think about what you could do. 0.99

00:24:47.000 If I was a white belt and I came in here and I didn't know shit and I was like a strong guy who maybe, you know, played basketball or something like that. 0.97

00:24:53.000 I was just athletic and I tried to fight you. 0.99

00:24:56.000 How bad would you fuck me up on the ground? 1.00

00:24:58.000 Right? 1.00

00:24:58.000 Now, think of someone doing the exact same thing like that to you with stand-up. 1.00

00:25:03.000 Because you don't understand that there are guys who can do that to you.

00:25:06.000 There's levels to this.

00:25:07.000 Tyrone Spong, there's you, there's these high-level kickboxers that you don't have a chance.

00:25:13.000 You think you have a chance because you're fast.

00:25:14.000 You don't have a chance.

00:25:15.000 You're gonna get hit. 1.00

00:25:16.000 You're gonna get fucked up and you're gonna get hit multiple times and they're gonna chip away at you until they decide to move in for the kill and then they're gonna fuck you up. 1.00

00:25:23.000 There's not a damn thing you could do about it. 1.00

00:25:24.000 And it's almost the same As him grabbing a white belt, letting him flail around, and then eventually choking him. 0.63

00:25:30.000 It's an inevitable thing.

00:25:31.000 But the weird thing is some people don't see that.

00:25:34.000 They don't see that someone could do to them in a certain art that they don't study.

00:25:37.000 Objectivity.

00:25:38.000 That's the thing.

00:25:39.000 For me, I'm always thinking in anything, why am I doing this?

00:25:42.000 Why am I feeling this way?

00:25:44.000 And that's why I said I moved to MMA because I just know I want to be the best.

00:25:48.000 I could have been the best kickboxer ever.

00:25:50.000 I could have been the best boxer as well.

00:25:52.000 But I just thought... 0.98

00:25:53.000 No one is a guy who could fuck you up in an MMA fight. 0.99

00:25:56.000 No, just on the ground. 0.97

00:25:57.000 I've seen so many street fights.

00:25:58.000 So many street fights, I'm like, dude, just push your knee down.

00:26:01.000 Just holding each other and just hitting, hitting.

00:26:03.000 I'm like, you can easily just choke the guy right now if you knew what you were doing.

00:26:06.000 That's what makes a champion.

00:26:08.000 80% of street fights end up on the ground and people don't know what they're doing. 0.95

00:26:11.000 So I just felt like I never want to be in a situation where a guy gets me in an alleyway and tries to fuck me up and just snap my ankle or some shit.

00:26:19.000 But I just feel like I want to be able to Be well versed. 0.81

00:26:22.000 Take care of all areas.

00:26:23.000 And I'll probably never get there, but I'll die trying.

00:26:26.000 Well, how old are you now?

00:26:27.000 28. I'll be 29 in a few years.

00:26:30.000 You're still literally, you're still at least a year away or two years away from your supposed physical prime, right?

00:26:37.000 An athlete, they say that for a professional athlete, obviously they say, what does that mean?

00:26:42.000 Everybody's different.

00:26:43.000 But there's something around age 30 to 32 where your mind and body catch up and you have a window there.

00:26:50.000 Like Anderson Silva when he was like 30 to 32. Woo!

00:26:53.000 Just going.

00:26:53.000 I remember that.

00:26:55.000 Longest reign.

00:26:56.000 You would watch him and just put your hands to your head and go, Jesus.

00:26:58.000 The first one I saw live was UFC 90. He fought Patrick Cote.

00:27:02.000 Oh, that was an interesting one.

00:27:04.000 Yeah, but for me, that first round, he used probably seven different styles to just hit him.

00:27:10.000 And then, I keep saying he used telekinesis on his knee.

00:27:13.000 He just blowed it out. 0.99

00:27:14.000 Patrick had a fucked up knee going into that fight, I think. 0.99

00:27:16.000 Already, yeah. 0.99

00:27:17.000 It's hard to tell, but it just seemed like he gave out.

00:27:19.000 It was a good fight.

00:27:20.000 He just stood on it and just like, ah, fucked up. 0.99

00:27:22.000 I think he went to throw a front kick and it just buckled on him and popped out. 0.99

00:27:26.000 Yeah, but that fight, that first round, the way he just handled him, I was like...

00:27:30.000 That.

00:27:30.000 Yeah.

00:27:31.000 That's the guy.

00:27:32.000 You know what?

00:27:32.000 It really did open up the recipe to giving Anderson trouble, though.

00:27:36.000 Because the recipe to giving Anderson trouble...

00:27:37.000 Talos Latis opened it up, and so did Patrick Coté.

00:27:41.000 No, but the real key was, don't engage. 0.99

00:27:44.000 Because if you chase after him, he's gonna fuck you up. 0.99

00:27:46.000 Counter-striker. 0.99

00:27:47.000 Forrest Griffin, all these different people that came at him, for sure Chris Lieben.

00:27:52.000 That was the recipe for disaster.

00:27:55.000 I mean, when I saw that fight on paper, I was like, oh, this is crazy.

00:27:59.000 You got a guy who's like the most reckless, iron-chinned marauder in the UFC, and you're putting up him against a guy who's like a ninja.

00:28:07.000 This is going to be crazy.

00:28:09.000 This is a perfect fight.

00:28:10.000 It was a perfect fight in terms of like you want to see like the effectiveness of like high-level timing speed and perfect technique like woo!

00:28:18.000 Yeah, and the way he did it as well was clean.

00:28:21.000 I think he only got hit once that fight.

00:28:22.000 He landed like 100% of his shots in that fight.

00:28:25.000 Yeah.

00:28:25.000 It was beautiful.

00:28:26.000 It's crazy.

00:28:27.000 And that's our style.

00:28:27.000 I was a counter-striker at first.

00:28:29.000 That's when I started.

00:28:29.000 I was always like, I'll wait for guys to come in.

00:28:31.000 Here it is right here.

00:28:32.000 I remember calling this and I remember telling people because I was afraid.

00:28:35.000 I was a fan of Anderson's from watching him fight in England.

00:28:40.000 Look at that bounce.

00:28:40.000 I love that bounce.

00:28:40.000 Look at that jab.

00:28:41.000 I was a fan of watching him fight in England in Cage Rage and watching him fight in Pride.

00:28:45.000 And I remember saying this, ladies and gentlemen, this is a different kind of striker.

00:28:50.000 This is one of the first times you've got a high level...

00:28:54.000 Look at the looks he's giving him as well.

00:28:56.000 The shoulder faints.

00:28:57.000 And the lightness of his feet, man.

00:28:59.000 The lightness.

00:28:59.000 It's that bounce.

00:29:00.000 He's on.

00:29:00.000 People forget, man.

00:29:01.000 Look how good he is.

00:29:02.000 Ping! 0.93

00:29:02.000 He's already... 0.93

00:29:03.000 He's over.

00:29:03.000 Yeah, ping, ping.

00:29:05.000 Look at that.

00:29:05.000 Come on, son.

00:29:06.000 Wait for him to get up again.

00:29:07.000 And that knee.

00:29:08.000 Ping, ping, ping. 1.00

00:29:09.000 Shit. 1.00

00:29:10.000 Ping, ping. 1.00

00:29:11.000 This is beautiful, bro.

00:29:13.000 Come on, man.

00:29:14.000 Almost every shot lands.

00:29:15.000 He's not getting hit.

00:29:16.000 It's incredible.

00:29:18.000 And it's over.

00:29:20.000 Insane. 0.94

00:29:20.000 And Chris was a beast, man. 0.94

00:29:21.000 He could take a shot. 0.99

00:29:22.000 He could take it all the time.

00:29:23.000 There was one with a guy who rocked him.

00:29:27.000 And as he's moving back, as he's hurt, and he drops the guy, knocks him out.

00:29:30.000 Dude.

00:29:30.000 Cold.

00:29:31.000 Yeah, no.

00:29:32.000 Chris could take a tremendous shot.

00:29:33.000 He had unbelievable heart.

00:29:35.000 But Anderson, I feel like in that, that's my argument for Anderson being the GOAT. Yeah.

00:29:41.000 There's moments that he had.

00:29:42.000 It's him and Fedor, right?

00:29:44.000 Yeah.

00:29:44.000 I saw this kid the other day after my fight.

00:29:46.000 I didn't wreck it.

00:29:47.000 I was like, in the elevator, I was like...

00:29:49.000 You're Anderson's son.

00:29:49.000 He's like, yeah, baby goat.

00:29:52.000 But the only other person is the current guy, is Mighty Mouse.

00:29:55.000 The only argument against Mighty Mouse is he's cleaned out division now. 0.97

00:29:57.000 He doesn't have a Chris Weidman, you know, a guy who's trying to fuck him up.

00:30:02.000 He doesn't have, like, someone who you really give a chance to.

00:30:04.000 Someone on his level, quote-unquote.

00:30:05.000 Right, right.

00:30:06.000 I mean, there's never been a situation where, like, Mighty Mouse...

00:30:08.000 Mighty Mouse had a Chael Sonnen who had him down on points in the fourth round, fucking him up, and then he catches him in a triangle.

00:30:14.000 Not that flyweight.

00:30:16.000 Flyweight, and he dominates, man.

00:30:18.000 He just runs through people.

00:30:20.000 Is he going to fight, what's his name?

00:30:22.000 Cejudo.

00:30:22.000 He's fighting Cejudo in a rematch, which he stopped.

00:30:27.000 He's got better.

00:30:27.000 Cejudo got better since the first fight.

00:30:30.000 Yeah, so who does Olympic gold medals in wrestling?

00:30:33.000 That's all you need to know.

00:30:34.000 And his stand-up as well is clean.

00:30:35.000 He's kind of improved.

00:30:37.000 I'll give him credit.

00:30:38.000 The Wilson Hayes fight?

00:30:39.000 Yeah.

00:30:39.000 He looked like Machida.

00:30:40.000 I like the flow, yeah. 0.75

00:30:41.000 He was crazy.

00:30:42.000 He was almost like McGregor or Machida. 0.87

00:30:44.000 He had that sideways stance.

00:30:45.000 Yeah, it was weird.

00:30:46.000 So he can learn fast.

00:30:47.000 That's another guy.

00:30:48.000 Great at wrestling.

00:30:49.000 Transfer that greatness into learning stand-up.

00:30:52.000 And now it's just mixing them together.

00:30:53.000 That's the thing.

00:30:54.000 Like GSB did.

00:30:56.000 Just learning how to mesh them together without...

00:30:59.000 Getting stuck or thinking too much.

00:31:00.000 Just flowing with it.

00:31:02.000 That's the key, I think.

00:31:03.000 Particularly the Wilson Hayes fight because it showed that he can adjust his style pretty radically.

00:31:07.000 When he walked out like this, I remember going, whoa, what is this?

00:31:10.000 This is karate, man.

00:31:12.000 This is crazy.

00:31:13.000 Game credit where credit is due.

00:31:15.000 Well, again, when you're a gold medalist in the Olympics in wrestling, that's a special kind of human being.

00:31:21.000 That's next level.

00:31:22.000 It's just a special kind of human being. 1.00

00:31:23.000 Even the wrestling training I do now, I'm like, fuck, sometimes. 0.99

00:31:28.000 We have on Wednesdays. 0.99

00:31:30.000 On Wednesdays, it's VO2max.

00:31:32.000 We call it Rape Wrestle Wednesday just because it's like Airdyne and then wrestling. 1.00

00:31:35.000 It's two minutes on the Airdyne, going hard with the heart rate monitor, trying to get to the red zone.

00:31:39.000 And then wrestling for two minutes, trying to get to the red zone.

00:31:42.000 And shout out to Kevin.

00:31:43.000 Kevin Bentley.

00:31:44.000 He's the guy that shot on me the most this camp.

00:31:46.000 So, you know, my hips were on point because every time I'd like stuff a takedown, get back up, boom, another one.

00:31:53.000 And I have to like...

00:31:54.000 Jesus Christ, just leave me alone because he's just on you like a blanket.

00:31:57.000 Like a blanket.

00:31:58.000 Yeah, so that kind of work is hard.

00:31:59.000 So imagine being a gold medalist.

00:32:01.000 What kind of wrestling training it takes to get to that level.

00:32:03.000 Well, that's why when you see a real high-level wrestler against almost everybody else, they have such a noted advantage in the clinch, like Daniel Cormier and Stipe Miocic this weekend.

00:32:14.000 Dominic Cruz, we're very fortunate to have a guy that knowledgeable.

00:32:20.000 Because Dominic's knowledgeable about basically everything.

00:32:23.000 He started out as a wrestler, but he understands MMA as good as anybody that's ever talked on the mic about MMA. He's very clued up.

00:32:28.000 So when he talked about, like, he showed me some stuff that I hadn't caught about Daniel's giving up the underhook so that he could limp arm, and then Stipe would run right into the right hand, and they had it all timed out.

00:32:41.000 Okay.

00:32:41.000 I've already broken down the fire.

00:32:42.000 I was just already lit by that time.

00:32:44.000 Crazy.

00:32:45.000 I was yelling off my face, just like...

00:32:48.000 Wow.

00:32:48.000 Dude, when he connected and then he hit him, I don't even know if I said anything because I remember I was going like...

00:32:53.000 I thought it was going to be five rounds.

00:32:54.000 Five rounds.

00:32:55.000 It was almost like there was a deja vu moment.

00:32:57.000 Like the world just changed. 1.00

00:32:58.000 Holy fuck. 1.00

00:32:59.000 Did he just knock him out? 1.00

00:32:59.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:33:00.000 And it was just so close.

00:33:01.000 Like, oh!

00:33:01.000 And John Anik.

00:33:02.000 Dead on the ground.

00:33:02.000 John Anik stands up.

00:33:03.000 There's a picture I put on Instagram.

00:33:04.000 That is a beautiful picture because they've been working together for so long when John Anik stands up and DC looks at him and they're looking at each other.

00:33:12.000 Beautiful.

00:33:12.000 Look at that picture.

00:33:13.000 Come on, man. 0.95

00:33:15.000 Because who the fuck else is a two-time world champion in two divisions and also a commentator currently? 0.96

00:33:21.000 And a great one. 0.92

00:33:21.000 Working two jobs. 0.92

00:33:22.000 God, I love that guy.

00:33:24.000 What a good guy.

00:33:24.000 And I like the fact that he's chunky as well.

00:33:26.000 Yeah.

00:33:26.000 Chunky's a nice way of putting it.

00:33:28.000 Nah, honestly, he's chunky.

00:33:30.000 If that was a girl, what would you call her? 0.71

00:33:32.000 Thick.

00:33:34.000 He a thick boy. 1.00

00:33:36.000 Like, he doesn't give a fuck, man. 0.99

00:33:37.000 This ain't even fat shaming. 1.00

00:33:39.000 That's the goddamn two-division champion. 0.99

00:33:41.000 I was talking to Ian, his nutritionist. 0.99

00:33:42.000 He says, like, 246, but he doesn't move like 246. I was like, yeah, 100%.

00:33:46.000 So it's deceptive.

00:33:47.000 You look at him, like, even Mark Hunt, he's another guy like that.

00:33:50.000 But last Saturday, the way he was moving...

00:33:52.000 Well, Javier Mendez was talking about it in camp, and so was Bob Cook.

00:33:55.000 They were telling me after the fight, they go, dude, at heavyweight, he's just knocking everybody out in training partners.

00:33:59.000 Y'all must have forgot about Strikeforce.

00:34:01.000 How about that?

00:34:01.000 They forgot about Strikeforce.

00:34:02.000 They forgot about undefeated Strikeforce fucking Grand Prix heavyweight champion. 1.00

00:34:06.000 Tossing out Burnett, Bigfoot dropping him, all that kind of shit. 0.95

00:34:09.000 I was like, and that was Burnett with five rounds, and he wasn't even like, he was early, that was early in his MMA career. 0.90

00:34:14.000 So I was like, You guys don't understand. 0.69

00:34:16.000 So I thought it was going to be DC putting them against the fence, grinding them out for five rounds, and still beating them up, like, fucking them up, and back and forth, but knockout in the first round. 0.92

00:34:24.000 That was just... 0.99

00:34:27.000 Crazy.

00:34:27.000 I thought if DC was going to win it, what was going to happen was they were going to get into the second and third and they were going to start getting tired and DC's wrestling was going to take over.

00:34:36.000 Yeah, I thought it was going to go five rounds unanimous to DC. I felt like he had to somehow or another wear Stipe out a little bit before he gets takedowns and get him down.

00:34:45.000 Push him against the fence.

00:34:45.000 That would be the smart thing to do.

00:34:47.000 But I thought it was real dangerous standing up because Stipe's knocked out Junior Dos Santos, knocked out Alistair Overeem, knocked out Fabrizio Verdun with one punch. 0.92

00:34:56.000 I mean, you think all the people Stipe's knocked out, you go, damn, and DC's coming up as a light heavyweight? 0.93

00:35:00.000 Yeah. 0.96

00:35:00.000 Only time we've ever seen DC hurt was with Rumble, right? 0.96

00:35:03.000 Yeah, well, Jon Jones, obviously.

00:35:05.000 Jon Jones had kicked him and knocked him out.

00:35:06.000 That's what knocked him out, yeah.

00:35:07.000 Can't forget that.

00:35:08.000 Jon Jones capitalized brilliantly on a tendency.

00:35:12.000 He knew that DC had this tendency.

00:35:14.000 He talked about it.

00:35:15.000 Leaning.

00:35:16.000 I saw that.

00:35:17.000 What's interesting is that Dominic Cruz explained this to me as well, is that this is how DC prefers to set up the single.

00:35:27.000 We're good to go.

00:35:48.000 Because they understand, I just like to be by myself and just chill, so they're just doing their own thing, and then we're just playing games.

00:35:52.000 But I watch it to see what I did right, and I enjoy it.

00:35:55.000 I was like, okay, this is what I did good, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 0.98

00:35:58.000 But then I see, if I was fighting me hard, I'd fuck me up now. 0.98

00:36:02.000 That's a good way of looking at it, man. 0.99

00:36:03.000 I can see certain things like, okay, I need to work on...

00:36:08.000 Tendencies, certain tendencies, and change it up.

00:36:09.000 Confuse people, scramble them.

00:36:11.000 Some of the things I was doing in that fight, I've never done in training, because, for example, elbow pads.

00:36:15.000 I haven't really worn elbow pads in training, just knee pads.

00:36:18.000 I was using that Ong Bak elbow to set up how to close the distance, and I was watching, and I was like, where did I learn that from? 0.99

00:36:24.000 I don't know.

00:36:25.000 I did it probably three times.

00:36:27.000 I'd use the fake Ong Bak elbow to close the gap, and I'd gallop in and catch him with a right hand or something. 0.85

00:36:32.000 Certain things like that were things I did good, but then...

00:36:36.000 I can't really say the kind of thing to do with that.

00:36:38.000 But do you think that maybe that when you learn, it's almost like You're learning words, like in these words or techniques, and then combinations or sentences.

00:36:52.000 And then in having the mastery of all these words, you just see a new sentence that you could say.

00:36:57.000 Yeah, I was like, oh, that's nice.

00:36:58.000 You already know how to throw those, obviously, even though you don't do it a lot in sparring.

00:37:01.000 You just see there's something he's doing, like, you know what, this is what it is.

00:37:04.000 I'm going to do this and then come in here and...

00:37:06.000 Yeah.

00:37:07.000 That one was nice, but there was one in my last fight before that in Arizona.

00:37:10.000 Sean O'Malley throws this spin and then the head kick.

00:37:14.000 And in the fight, I was like, it feels right.

00:37:17.000 Boom.

00:37:17.000 First time I ever landed it.

00:37:18.000 And it caught him on the back of the head.

00:37:20.000 I was like, oh, good.

00:37:21.000 And I just kept him moving with it. 0.99

00:37:23.000 Yeah, when Yair Rodriguez 360 roundhouse kicked BJ Penn in the face, I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding me, man. 0.93

00:37:30.000 Because I was always wondering, when are we going to see this? 0.94

00:37:32.000 I've done one.

00:37:33.000 I knocked down a heavyweight with it, like a tornado kick.

00:37:37.000 And I learned that about a month and a half before.

00:37:39.000 Shout out to David.

00:37:41.000 He's the Taekwondo champion from New Zealand.

00:37:42.000 And he told me, because I used to throw it with the...

00:37:46.000 Right roundhouse and then spin with it. 0.90

00:37:48.000 And he said, that's too much telegraphing.

00:37:51.000 You're showing the guy I'm going to kick you because he'll lean back and then you come back. 0.84

00:37:54.000 So he said, go southpaw and use your torso. 0.94

00:37:57.000 So I'll give it away.

00:37:58.000 You throw your shoulder, your left shoulder from southpaw.

00:38:02.000 After a few right hands, so you kind of, I'm going to throw a right hand and then spin.

00:38:05.000 That spin right there.

00:38:07.000 Taekwondo national champion, so you know.

00:38:08.000 So that spin right there generates the force.

00:38:11.000 And I was able to knock down the guy with it.

00:38:13.000 I never hit anybody with that.

00:38:15.000 I hit the heavy bag with that a lot.

00:38:17.000 Exactly.

00:38:18.000 Make sure they can't move.

00:38:19.000 So I like to do it when they're against the fence or they're against the ropes.

00:38:22.000 So that way they have nowhere to go or not as much space to move around.

00:38:25.000 But if you're in the open, it's hard to land that.

00:38:27.000 You know what's really remarkably effective is that Raymond Daniels side kick to jump spinning back kick.

00:38:34.000 I can do that on the bag.

00:38:35.000 Yeah, I definitely did it in sparring before, but when I saw Rick Rufus, one of his first fights, it was a really important fight with a Thai champion, where he was fucking him up in the first round. 0.91

00:38:45.000 We played it back because it was a really interesting moment.

00:38:48.000 I think on YouTube it's labeled as the most important fight in kickboxing.

00:38:53.000 And what it was was the first fight where we got to see Rick Rufus in his prime fight.

00:38:57.000 Face a tie champion and this dude and Rick was winning in the beginning and one of the things that he hit him with he did that touch side kick spin back kick in the air this is it the fight that changed history is this Lawrence Kenshin as well?

00:39:10.000 Yeah, Lawrence.

00:39:12.000 That guy's a treasure.

00:39:13.000 Love his work.

00:39:13.000 Yeah, go Google him or check out his videos on YouTube.

00:39:18.000 He's got so many awesome breakdowns.

00:39:20.000 He and Jack Slack.

00:39:21.000 And I like the way they kind of work off each other as well.

00:39:23.000 Like, a lot of these guys, they're not really...

00:39:24.000 There's no competition.

00:39:26.000 They're all working together for...

00:39:28.000 Well, they're all very important.

00:39:29.000 And Robin Black as well.

00:39:30.000 Like, all these guys. 0.98

00:39:31.000 He's crazy. 0.97

00:39:31.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:39:32.000 What I really love about Lawrence, though, is that, you know, he breaks down things and shows them in slow motion, as is Brendan Dorman and Jack Slack.

00:39:38.000 There's a lot of these guys that do this.

00:39:39.000 What way was that?

00:39:42.000 I don't remember.

00:39:43.000 I don't remember how much Rick weighed.

00:39:45.000 I know he went up to like 200 pounds, but I think he started out in the 60s or 70s at the most.

00:39:51.000 This tie guy's pretty thick.

00:39:52.000 Check out the pants. 0.69

00:39:53.000 Yeah, well, he didn't understand how to deal with the leg kicks.

00:39:56.000 This was what chewed him up.

00:39:58.000 But early in the fight...

00:40:00.000 I think in the first round...

00:40:01.000 See, what this is showing is how the tie starts taking over with the leg kicks.

00:40:06.000 But I think in the first round, he hit him with that side kick, jump-spinning back kick to the face, and really hurt him.

00:40:13.000 This is Lawrence's breakdown.

00:40:15.000 Instead, this is just going to show how he lost.

00:40:17.000 See how he tried to throw that body kick and got checked.

00:40:20.000 Yeah.

00:40:21.000 Nice 4x2 though, hit him with the... 0.68

00:40:23.000 Oh, nice!

00:40:23.000 Oh, he hurt him with that left hand.

00:40:25.000 Yeah, 4x2.

00:40:25.000 Yeah, he dropped it.

00:40:26.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

00:40:27.000 Beautiful. 1.00

00:40:27.000 Yeah, no, Rick had his moments in this fight for sure. 1.00

00:40:30.000 And it showed just what a dangerous striker he was, but we didn't, we just really didn't know back then about the leg kicks.

00:40:37.000 So interesting.

00:40:37.000 Their ties, they're the ones.

00:40:38.000 Yeah.

00:40:39.000 I felt some Thai guys, their legs, their legs literally feel like just concrete. 1.00

00:40:42.000 Yeah, they're broken down from years of getting kicked.

00:40:44.000 And mine are alright.

00:40:45.000 It feels like a stegosaurus's back, but sometimes when you feel it, it's like steel.

00:40:50.000 Dude, I felt so vulnerable.

00:40:51.000 The first time somebody kicked me in my leg, I felt so vulnerable because I couldn't believe how easy it was.

00:40:56.000 100%. 0.98

00:40:56.000 My first thought was, God damn, and I have to recalibrate everything I thought about fighting. 0.98

00:41:01.000 Yeah, I fought a karate guy, a kyokushin guy, on maybe two hours' notice because my opponent decided, at the weigh-ins, he's like, I'm not fighting him. 0.99

00:41:09.000 I just fought him.

00:41:12.000 What did you do that made him say that? 0.62

00:41:14.000 Black. 0.93

00:41:19.000 And then this guy, Jamie Eads, who I've fought, I think, four times now.

00:41:23.000 So he came over to corner one of his teammates, and he was a national Kyokushin champion.

00:41:29.000 He's like, I'll fight him, cool.

00:41:30.000 Jump in the ring, and this padded fight, everything.

00:41:34.000 Yeah, two leg kicks in. 0.56

00:41:36.000 I was like, whatever, I can keep going.

00:41:37.000 And then by the fourth one, I remember like, ooh, okay, don't do that again.

00:41:42.000 And then from there was too late.

00:41:43.000 That was only in the first round.

00:41:44.000 And he ate my legs.

00:41:46.000 He ate my legs.

00:41:47.000 And I remember for about three weeks after that fight, Walking was just, I didn't want to walk.

00:41:52.000 Every time I'd be like, can you pass me this?

00:41:54.000 Or just like crawling places.

00:41:55.000 And I would hate walking.

00:41:56.000 But fun fact.

00:41:57.000 How long?

00:41:58.000 About three weeks.

00:41:59.000 Maybe two, two and a half, three weeks after that fight.

00:42:01.000 And it's just, you know, your legs are dead, heavy, filled with blood, bruised.

00:42:05.000 And it's just any little movement because your knees are swollen as well.

00:42:07.000 Sharp pains.

00:42:08.000 Oh, I hated it. 0.99

00:42:09.000 Fucking hated it. 0.99

00:42:10.000 How long did it take before you recovered? 0.99

00:42:11.000 Probably, yeah, about three weeks, four weeks.

00:42:14.000 I heal quick.

00:42:14.000 Like, honestly, it's weird.

00:42:15.000 Isn't that crazy?

00:42:16.000 Yeah, I don't know why.

00:42:17.000 Do you know Randy Couture, when he fought Pedro, his old needed six months of rehab? 0.99

00:42:20.000 Shit, six months. 0.99

00:42:21.000 Six months, son. 0.99

00:42:22.000 He still has a dent in his leg, apparently, from that fight.

00:42:24.000 Dude, Pedro gave a dent to Kevin Randleman, too. 1.00

00:42:26.000 Shit. 1.00

00:42:27.000 I never saw anybody kick a bag like Pedro. 1.00

00:42:30.000 Or kick a people.

00:42:32.000 But I was in Beverly Hills Jiu-Jitsu in like the mid-90s.

00:42:36.000 And Bas Rutten was running it back at the time.

00:42:39.000 And Pedro Hizzo was over there.

00:42:40.000 And Marco Huas. 0.99

00:42:41.000 Dude, they had this big-ass 200-pound fucking heavyweight. 0.98

00:42:45.000 And Pedro Hizzo folded that thing. 0.99

00:42:47.000 It made me so nervous.

00:42:49.000 Was it hanging off the ground?

00:42:50.000 Yeah, it was hanging off the ground.

00:42:51.000 But it was just this...

00:42:53.000 It was just a different sound.

00:42:55.000 I don't think, maybe it's the bones.

00:42:57.000 I think it's just heavy bones as well. 1.00

00:42:59.000 He's a dense motherfucker. 1.00

00:43:00.000 He's a thick dude. 1.00

00:43:01.000 Thick boy.

00:43:02.000 His legs were giant, but it was, there was a feeling of this very, you know, sometimes you hear someone or you see someone kick something or something, you go, oh, I could never, no one can take that.

00:43:12.000 You can't take that.

00:43:13.000 Pedro had that.

00:43:14.000 He had that, you can't take that. 0.99

00:43:15.000 He hit Rico Rodriguez once, and Rico was like, fuck this, I'm going down. 1.00

00:43:19.000 Check it out. 0.99

00:43:20.000 He's like, I just, you try to bring this guy to my guard. 1.00

00:43:22.000 He's like, Fuck you, man. 1.00

00:43:23.000 I'm gonna stand up with you. 1.00

00:43:24.000 He hit him so hard that Rico stayed on the outside the whole fight.

00:43:28.000 He never really completely committed to trying to win the fight.

00:43:31.000 It was just too dangerous.

00:43:32.000 That's the heavyweight, right?

00:43:33.000 Is the guy with the problem, PED problem?

00:43:35.000 The wrong guy?

00:43:36.000 Rico?

00:43:37.000 Did Rico get popped for PEDs?

00:43:38.000 Maybe.

00:43:39.000 I don't know.

00:43:40.000 There's a documentary on them.

00:43:41.000 No, no, no, no.

00:43:42.000 That's another guy from the UFC. You're thinking of Mark Kerr.

00:43:43.000 Oh, yeah.

00:43:44.000 No, Rico.

00:43:45.000 I don't think Rico got popped ever.

00:43:47.000 But Rico was a Machado Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt.

00:43:50.000 He was the heavyweight champion.

00:43:51.000 I was thinking of an American wrestler.

00:43:52.000 I think Tim Sylvia beat him for the title.

00:43:55.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:43:55.000 Tim Sylvia, when he was at the top of his game, he's a big giant motherfucker. 1.00

00:43:58.000 Is he still fighting? 0.99

00:43:59.000 No.

00:44:00.000 Yeah, retired now.

00:44:01.000 He's bow hunts in Iowa.

00:44:03.000 He's all giant now. 1.00

00:44:04.000 Shit. 1.00

00:44:05.000 He's 300 plus. 1.00

00:44:07.000 He's like 6'9".

00:44:08.000 He's a huge, huge, huge person.

00:44:10.000 Yeah, big boy.

00:44:10.000 I always looked at him.

00:44:11.000 One thing I... It was just Gumby, like a big guy, but he could fuck people up. 0.99

00:44:14.000 He could fuck people up! 1.00

00:44:17.000 You know like when you get a baby giraffe trying to figure out its steps? 1.00

00:44:21.000 But he just knew how to move and how to use his gumbyness to his advantage.

00:44:25.000 Well, if you go to the golden age of Tim Sylvia, pull up Tim Sylvia K.O.'s Rico Rodriguez.

00:44:30.000 This is the golden age of Tim Sylvia.

00:44:32.000 Back when Mexican supplements were more easy to come by.

00:44:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:44:37.000 The drug test back then was like, they would make you fill out a piece of paper.

00:44:41.000 Tell me what drugs you took.

00:44:46.000 Hey, I passed the test.

00:44:47.000 I wrote zero.

00:44:49.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:44:49.000 It was fucking... 0.99

00:44:51.000 Everybody was on the sauce back then. 0.99

00:44:52.000 Honestly, man, with all this PD kind of talk, for me, I thought, yeah, some people take steroids or whatever, but after I seen Icarus, everyone's on steroids.

00:45:03.000 Well, everyone in a lot of countries. 0.99

00:45:05.000 Bro, holy shit. 0.99

00:45:05.000 How crazy was that documentary? 0.99

00:45:06.000 Holy fuck. 1.00

00:45:07.000 I was just like, everyone... 1.00

00:45:08.000 No, but like, there's...

00:45:10.000 The cheaters are always going to be ahead of the solution, the guys who are catching them. 0.97

00:45:14.000 So whoever's on the new shit, they can't get caught just yet till they update their testings. 0.98

00:45:19.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:45:20.000 So it's like, I watched that and I realized, if you have the team behind you and you have people who can fund it, everyone's on steroids.

00:45:27.000 Don't you think that USADA, they hold their piss for a long time, right?

00:45:30.000 Don't they hold your piss for like eight years?

00:45:32.000 I tell them just, yeah, use it for research, whatever.

00:45:34.000 Yeah, but I think they hold on to it just in case new testing comes out.

00:45:37.000 Comes out so they can test it again.

00:45:37.000 They took gold medals away from two Russian cats in the 2000s because they went back and with new testing, I think they found EPO in their system.

00:45:46.000 Shit. 0.99

00:45:47.000 Yeah, it's an interesting thing. 1.00

00:45:49.000 That documentary was amazing.

00:45:50.000 Amazing!

00:45:51.000 It opened my eyes, and I had a piss test the next day as well.

00:45:54.000 I told the guy, I've seen this, I saw this on the documentary last night, the little cup they were using.

00:45:59.000 So yeah, I was like, who knows who's on steroids now.

00:46:02.000 And when USADA came through, You know the guys that kind of like their bodies changed, some of the people dropped off.

00:46:09.000 Radically.

00:46:09.000 Yeah, so quick.

00:46:11.000 Really quick. 0.99

00:46:12.000 It's like, damn, I never thought. 0.99

00:46:14.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:46:15.000 Well, not just changed, but changed to the point where like, you're not even the same person.

00:46:19.000 The same person, yeah.

00:46:20.000 You're like doing an impression.

00:46:20.000 And guys in their 20s doing an impression of who they were just a couple of years ago on The Sauce.

00:46:26.000 Yeah, shit's happening, man. 0.98

00:46:28.000 Well, they got caught up in a bad loop. 1.00

00:46:29.000 I'm snitching.

00:46:31.000 I saw that thing with you and the golden snitch. 0.97

00:46:33.000 He's a man.

00:46:34.000 He sent it to me.

00:46:35.000 He was all excited.

00:46:36.000 He texted me as well.

00:46:37.000 He's laughing.

00:46:38.000 He's laughing.

00:46:39.000 Nowitzki's a good guy, man.

00:46:40.000 He's got a bad reputation from a lot of people.

00:46:43.000 I can be cool with him because I know me.

00:46:45.000 I'm not cheating.

00:46:45.000 I'm not a guy that's never interested me.

00:46:48.000 Well, he doesn't even do that anymore.

00:46:48.000 What is his official title?

00:46:50.000 It's like athlete's health and wellness.

00:46:51.000 But those who are cheating wouldn't be hanging around him like the way I would or wouldn't be as friendly with him because they don't want him sniffing around.

00:46:57.000 Well, he's there to make sure that someone doesn't cheat on you, too, though.

00:47:00.000 100%.

00:47:00.000 I'm like, please.

00:47:02.000 What's so funny?

00:47:03.000 I'm gonna mad at it.

00:47:04.000 What's that?

00:47:04.000 It's on his Wikipedia.

00:47:05.000 What does it say?

00:47:06.000 The Golden Snitch?

00:47:11.000 Jeffrey John Nowitzki, the Golden Snitch, is the Vice President of Athlete Health and Performance for the UFC. Holy shit! 1.00

00:47:20.000 Brendan Chubb! 1.00

00:47:21.000 Made it.

00:47:22.000 Look what you did!

00:47:24.000 Brandon Sharp, look what you did!

00:47:29.000 Golden snitch. 0.99

00:47:31.000 Goddamn, that's funny. 1.00

00:47:32.000 Oh shit, that's funny. 1.00

00:47:33.000 I'm glad he's around, man, honestly. 0.99

00:47:35.000 I don't mind being an ambassador for the sport if it's a clean sport.

00:47:40.000 Back in the day, even as early as 2010, 2012. Hey, find that Tim Sylvia Rico Rodriguez fight.

00:47:47.000 It's only on Fight Pass.

00:47:48.000 That's it?

00:47:49.000 I can't find it anywhere. 0.99

00:47:50.000 Damn. 0.99

00:47:51.000 They don't have that KO on YouTube? 0.99

00:47:53.000 I've been looking for a lot of different places.

00:47:54.000 That's incredible.

00:47:54.000 It's weird when you look at him talking, it's like...

00:47:56.000 Oh, right, because you've heard him so many times.

00:47:57.000 I know it's weird being here, right?

00:47:59.000 It's weird being here for me, too, man.

00:48:01.000 Believe me.

00:48:02.000 This thing freaks me out.

00:48:03.000 I quit my job September 4th, 2013. Before I quit that job, I think you were the first podcast I started listening to.

00:48:12.000 Now I've got a few others, like a whole list.

00:48:15.000 But I remember having always my headphones in my ear, just one, so I could focus on the other things. 1.00

00:48:19.000 And my boss would just ride me for so long, like, just take that shit out your ears. 1.00

00:48:24.000 Stop listening to music. 1.00

00:48:25.000 I'm like, I'm not.

00:48:26.000 I'm just trying to be entertained so I don't go post it on you niggas. 1.00

00:48:30.000 Honestly, because that, it was just, you can enjoy what you do.

00:48:33.000 Some people fight.

00:48:34.000 When I was living in China, I knew a lot of guys that fought, but they didn't enjoy it.

00:48:37.000 They just did it because it makes good money, and they get paid.

00:48:40.000 And I'm like, do something else. 1.00

00:48:41.000 But for me, doing that job, holy shit, soul-sucking. 0.99

00:48:45.000 Every single day, you know, you wake up, train, and then it was just a block away, and I'd walk to work, and I just knew I was going to get just ridden that day. 0.98

00:48:53.000 And man, but it's kind of crazy now.

00:48:55.000 I'm checking in, like, I'm actually out here.

00:48:59.000 Like, I've listened to this for so long, and it's like, yeah, I belong here now.

00:49:03.000 Like, it's weird.

00:49:04.000 Everything just seems normal.

00:49:05.000 Good, good.

00:49:06.000 That's perfect.

00:49:07.000 That means you hit the right time.

00:49:08.000 That means you've got a good sense of timing.

00:49:10.000 It's like, because sometimes, like, even in my room, I had a nice suite for this one.

00:49:12.000 Shout out to the UFC. Shout out.

00:49:14.000 And there's that main event status.

00:49:15.000 So I had, like, a nice little spot, conjoining rooms with my teammates.

00:49:18.000 And sometimes I'll just overlook the T-Mobile arena and just be like...

00:49:24.000 Okay.

00:49:25.000 We've made it.

00:49:26.000 We're out here.

00:49:26.000 We're not done yet.

00:49:27.000 But you're there.

00:49:28.000 You're in the hunt.

00:49:29.000 Okay.

00:49:30.000 Let's go.

00:49:30.000 And they just kind of check back in.

00:49:31.000 You're in the UFC. And now, I mean, you had to break into the top 10 with that fight.

00:49:35.000 I don't think the rankings have come out. 1.00

00:49:37.000 Fuck rankings, man. 1.00

00:49:38.000 Honestly. 1.00

00:49:39.000 What are they? 1.00

00:49:39.000 It's so stupid. 1.00

00:49:40.000 You know, they fucked up Paul Felder. 1.00

00:49:42.000 Paul Felder would have got that shot against Khabib in Brooklyn. 0.97

00:49:44.000 That fight was a welterweight.

00:49:46.000 So it shouldn't even affect the lightweight ranking.

00:49:48.000 No, it shouldn't.

00:49:49.000 But I'm not talking about that fight.

00:49:50.000 The reason why Paul Felder didn't get that fight with Khabib when Tony Ferguson hurt his knee is because the Athletic Commission wouldn't recognize him.

00:49:58.000 He wasn't ranked in the top ten.

00:50:00.000 They wouldn't recognize him to be able to fight.

00:50:02.000 That would have been a great fight.

00:50:02.000 Great fight.

00:50:03.000 Al Quinto was a fucking dope fight. 1.00

00:50:06.000 He handled that well. 1.00

00:50:07.000 Paul Felder is a big fucking lightweight. 0.98

00:50:10.000 And Paul Felder has outstanding striking. 0.98

00:50:13.000 That would have been a real interesting fight.

00:50:15.000 100%.

00:50:15.000 So just because of rankings, they didn't let that go through?

00:50:17.000 Just because of the rankings.

00:50:18.000 Who makes the rankings?

00:50:19.000 That's the one thing I want to know.

00:50:20.000 Who decides?

00:50:21.000 Is it like a group or them?

00:50:23.000 Nah, but like, what have they done?

00:50:25.000 What's their credentials?

00:50:26.000 Have they trained?

00:50:27.000 Have they fought?

00:50:28.000 Are they just like analysts?

00:50:29.000 Are they experts?

00:50:30.000 Because it feels like if you want to be...

00:50:32.000 Instead of figuring out who did it, let's think about what you would do differently.

00:50:35.000 Like, who do you think should be making the rankings?

00:50:39.000 Fighters?

00:50:40.000 Maybe ex-fighters or like someone who's been in the sport, someone who's trained.

00:50:45.000 Same thing like you said with judging.

00:50:46.000 Someone who's actually like involved.

00:50:48.000 That's a big one.

00:50:49.000 The judging scares the shit out of me, man.

00:50:53.000 After my second fight in the UFC, I fought in Glandale, right?

00:50:55.000 It was a split decision I got. 0.99

00:50:57.000 In my head, when they said, you know, Israel, 50, whatever, oh, sorry, 39, 38, Adesanya, I was like, oh fuck, come on. 0.99

00:51:05.000 Just don't, because it's my win bonus. 0.99

00:51:06.000 I don't give a fuck about my record. 1.00

00:51:07.000 I'm just like, don't fuck me out of my money. 1.00

00:51:09.000 Don't fuck with my money. 1.00

00:51:11.000 Like, one other incompetent judge and that would have been it. 1.00

00:51:14.000 Done.

00:51:14.000 Only half my money.

00:51:16.000 And that would have pissed me off.

00:51:17.000 So crazy.

00:51:18.000 So I was like, what have you done? 1.00

00:51:20.000 How the fuck did I lose that fight in your eyes? 0.97

00:51:22.000 It is one of the biggest problems the athletic commissions have. 0.99

00:51:26.000 Can't they just like, it seems like it's too much work.

00:51:28.000 Like, shouldn't it just be like maybe a group chat?

00:51:30.000 Like, okay, let's change the 12th to 6th elbow.

00:51:32.000 Who's agreed?

00:51:32.000 Yup, yup, yup, yup, cool.

00:51:34.000 That's a no-brainer. 1.00

00:51:35.000 That one's the dumbest one of all time. 0.99

00:51:37.000 Well, like, it takes so long to try and make any change in the sport. 1.00

00:51:40.000 For years.

00:51:41.000 Well, how about the weight classes?

00:51:42.000 Jesus.

00:51:43.000 You know, Kevin Lee tweeted the other day that there's something like 150 different fighters in between 155 and 170. I think he said more than that.

00:51:52.000 You hear what Michael Chiesa said?

00:51:53.000 What did he say?

00:51:54.000 About him almost dying.

00:51:55.000 Felt like he was going to die when he was cutting weight.

00:51:57.000 Well, definitely don't fight at 155. That's scary for a guy to say that.

00:52:01.000 It is scary.

00:52:02.000 He should be probably fighting at 170 anyway.

00:52:04.000 He wants a 165 class I read on that tweet.

00:52:06.000 Well, it's a good class.

00:52:07.000 It should be 55, 65, 75, 85, 95, 225. I can do 185 and 195. If that was, I'll take that.

00:52:16.000 I'd be jumping between those two.

00:52:18.000 Yeah, why not?

00:52:18.000 I mean, that's doable.

00:52:19.000 I think the real problem is you give guys like 85, 205, that's 20 fucking pounds, man. 0.97

00:52:24.000 That's a lot of weight. 0.97

00:52:25.000 Yeah, I walk around 205 if I'm healthy.

00:52:28.000 Like, if I'm DC'd out.

00:52:29.000 Well, that's good.

00:52:30.000 That's a good amount of weight to cut.

00:52:32.000 Like, I bet when you get real lean, you probably lose like 6, 7, then you're only losing really cutting like, what, 10?

00:52:38.000 10, 13?

00:52:38.000 This camp, I didn't use a sauna, I didn't use a bath for this fight.

00:52:41.000 Nice.

00:52:41.000 Normally, like the last two, I did, and I was underweight.

00:52:43.000 And I would only cut a little bit as well, but this one, I woke up on weight.

00:52:47.000 Do you use an expert to help you, like a Lockhart or something?

00:52:50.000 I'm gonna, maybe for the fight week, use Lockhart next time, maybe.

00:52:54.000 But normally, I've done this for a long time, so I know my body.

00:52:57.000 And I'm always accurate as well.

00:52:59.000 I can feel like I'm about 93 kgs today.

00:53:02.000 I'm about 85 kgs right now, I can tell.

00:53:03.000 And what about rehydration?

00:53:05.000 Yep, Lockhart Method, the old one.

00:53:07.000 There's a whole system with the waxy maize, amino acids, eating pineapples with crackers and honey and whatnot.

00:53:13.000 So I follow the list, and my coach...

00:53:15.000 Why pineapples with cracker and honey?

00:53:17.000 I don't know.

00:53:18.000 It's on the list.

00:53:19.000 It's a Lockhart one.

00:53:20.000 So it's like carbohydrates from the crackers and honey.

00:53:24.000 Talking to the wrong guy.

00:53:26.000 I would know all that kind of stuff.

00:53:27.000 For me, that's the thing.

00:53:29.000 I have guys like my coach, Eugene, who knows why.

00:53:32.000 And he'll just tell me, do this, and I trust them.

00:53:34.000 But I know it's a Lockhart method, and they've updated it because I talked to Ian, and he said that was the old one.

00:53:39.000 I sent it to him, and he said they've updated it.

00:53:40.000 So I said, okay, next time, probably, I'll use them for the fight week, weight cut, and then the rehydration.

00:53:47.000 What's the toughest you've ever cut?

00:53:50.000 How have you ever gotten?

00:53:51.000 Let me go back.

00:53:54.000 This is probably early on in my career. 0.99

00:53:56.000 No, actually, there was one in China where I fucked up. 0.98

00:53:58.000 I was fucking around at the buffet or something, maybe like the fight week. 0.99

00:54:03.000 And then I think I cut four cages in the sauna. 1.00

00:54:07.000 It was easy on the last one, but before that, I was just like mentally sitting there like, shit, never again. 0.99

00:54:14.000 I'm never doing this again. 0.96

00:54:15.000 And I start to like visualize the fight like I'm gonna make this guy pay and I start to get delusional and delirious.

00:54:20.000 But yeah, four kgs is not bad.

00:54:21.000 I've heard worse.

00:54:22.000 I've heard like six kgs in a sauna and that's a lot on like someone who's not even that fat or that...

00:54:28.000 What is that, 13, 14 pounds? 0.98

00:54:30.000 I keep using kgs, damn it. 0.98

00:54:31.000 That's okay. 0.99

00:54:32.000 I have no pounds.

00:54:34.000 How many pounds is that?

00:54:36.000 14?

00:54:36.000 Yeah.

00:54:37.000 Yeah, that's a lot.

00:54:38.000 30 pounds?

00:54:39.000 Yeah, it's like 2.2.

00:54:39.000 Oh god, that's right.

00:54:41.000 I'm going the wrong way.

00:54:42.000 I'm going the wrong way.

00:54:44.000 Oh, here it is.

00:54:45.000 As you get closer to the actual weigh-ins, we cut back on the fat and start incorporating frozen fruits.

00:54:50.000 Interesting.

00:54:51.000 Something I use a lot is pineapple.

00:54:52.000 The reason is dietary fiber will hold water.

00:54:55.000 If I put a bunch of water into a bowl and lettuce is brown and wilted, the next day it will absorb the water via osmosis and be good lettuce again.

00:55:02.000 Whoa, I didn't know that.

00:55:03.000 When you guys are near the end of your weight clot, they are cutting back on how much water they take in so they don't have to worry about the body absorbing the water.

00:55:09.000 That means we can give them the fruit which is going to help them fuel the brain.

00:55:14.000 Interesting.

00:55:15.000 Yeah, that.

00:55:16.000 Interesting.

00:55:18.000 Huh. 1.00

00:55:18.000 Now, what kind of shit do you eat? 1.00

00:55:20.000 Like, are you on a very specific diet? 1.00

00:55:21.000 I see food and I eat it.

00:55:23.000 I like food.

00:55:24.000 I'm hungry.

00:55:24.000 Of course.

00:55:25.000 The best thing is, like, for me, it's weird.

00:55:27.000 When you're not allowed it, you want it more.

00:55:29.000 Of course.

00:55:29.000 Yeah, like Fight Week, when I get here, and I start to, like, crave just the good stuff.

00:55:34.000 And I go on these Instagram pages, like, tasty.

00:55:36.000 And I just watch and I save it.

00:55:38.000 And I write down what I'm going to get when I get back home.

00:55:40.000 And, man, it's like food porn for real.

00:55:42.000 Yeah.

00:55:43.000 And you get hard just thinking about it.

00:55:44.000 Oh, my God.

00:55:46.000 And then after the fight, once it's time to weigh in, I'm good.

00:55:49.000 And I'm just like, alright, eat healthy, get it done.

00:55:51.000 I don't like pig out.

00:55:52.000 Even on the one I got from Lockhart, it says, do not eat pasta until after the fight.

00:55:57.000 Because apparently that can slow you down.

00:55:58.000 No pasta.

00:55:59.000 In capital letters, do not eat pasta.

00:56:00.000 What about like maybe a quinoa pasta or lentil pasta?

00:56:04.000 Does that count?

00:56:04.000 That would be better.

00:56:05.000 I think just like regular.

00:56:06.000 Sprouted grains.

00:56:06.000 Yeah, I think just like maybe pastry pasta, that kind of stuff.

00:56:09.000 You ever have that Ezekiel pasta?

00:56:10.000 Not yet. 1.00

00:56:11.000 I like that shit. 1.00

00:56:11.000 One thing, do you have any elk? 1.00

00:56:13.000 Yes, sir.

00:56:14.000 How long are you here for?

00:56:15.000 I got a spot till Thursday.

00:56:17.000 Do you have a place where you can cook?

00:56:18.000 Oh, dude, I got you.

00:56:20.000 The easiest thing I'll give you is I'll give you some elk sausage.

00:56:25.000 That's the easiest to cook.

00:56:26.000 And I'll give you some directions and I'll give you elk steak.

00:56:30.000 Do you have access to like some sort of a grill with a lid on it?

00:56:35.000 Temperature control grill?

00:56:36.000 Like a barbecue grill.

00:56:37.000 Yeah, we got one that's a spot.

00:56:39.000 You just want to make sure, and you've got to get a digital thermometer.

00:56:42.000 You want to make sure the meat stays somewhere under.

00:56:44.000 At a certain temperature.

00:56:44.000 Yeah, you don't want to keep it, you definitely don't want to cook it past 120 degrees.

00:56:49.000 Easy.

00:56:49.000 I can follow instructions.

00:56:50.000 Okay.

00:56:51.000 I'm coachable.

00:56:52.000 I'm coachable.

00:56:52.000 I know you are.

00:56:53.000 You must be.

00:56:54.000 What you know you can't learn on your own.

00:56:57.000 The thing about a guy like you that's interesting to me is like, it's very obvious that you had very good technical training, but then you deviated.

00:57:05.000 And you figured out your own creative path.

00:57:06.000 And something you said earlier, which I think is really important, and it's a good thing to hear for people who don't really understand martial arts, is what you do really is an art.

00:57:14.000 I mean, you're expressing yourself.

00:57:17.000 I've always been.

00:57:18.000 And for a person like me, who's a fan of that martial art, and I understand what you're doing, I watch it, and I'm appreciating it.

00:57:25.000 It's like I'm watching ballet or a symphony.

00:57:28.000 I'm watching art.

00:57:29.000 I'm like, oh, look how he's set up.

00:57:30.000 There was one time when you trapped his wrist and cracked him with an elbow.

00:57:35.000 You know what that is?

00:57:36.000 That's almost like NLP. Because some people use things coming at them at a certain speed.

00:57:42.000 So what I did, he had his guard up, and I was just like, just give me a hand.

00:57:46.000 Ba-boom! 1.00

00:57:47.000 And I just hit him with it.

00:57:48.000 Dude.

00:57:48.000 So, like, he gave...

00:57:49.000 You watch it, he kind of, like, just...

00:57:51.000 Well, he thought you were going at a slow speed.

00:57:53.000 Yeah.

00:57:53.000 And then he sped it up out of nowhere.

00:57:54.000 Because I'm used...

00:57:55.000 You know, he's used to the fast thing coming around him.

00:57:57.000 And I was like, just give me your hat.

00:57:58.000 Well, that's the change-up in baseball.

00:58:00.000 Yeah.

00:58:00.000 They throw a slow pitch, and you're like, what is this?

00:58:02.000 And you whiff it, and you're like, fuck, how did I miss that? 0.98

00:58:04.000 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:58:04.000 Because you were expecting a ball to be so fast. 1.00

00:58:06.000 I've heard the That's what a changeup is.

00:58:09.000 So if a guy throws like a 98 mile an hour fastball, but all of a sudden he throws one that's like a fraction of that.

00:58:14.000 I don't know what fraction.

00:58:15.000 They swing too quick or something.

00:58:18.000 Yeah, they swing too quick.

00:58:19.000 What would be a changeup pitch?

00:58:20.000 Like how much slower would it be?

00:58:21.000 20-30 miles an hour slower.

00:58:23.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.97

00:58:24.000 So it fucks your head up, man. 0.98

00:58:26.000 You're expecting that ball to come. 0.99

00:58:27.000 You see him throw it, you're like... 1.00

00:58:30.000 And then you see, fuck, it hasn't even gotten here yet! 1.00

00:58:34.000 Deception. 1.00

00:58:35.000 That's what it is, bro.

00:58:36.000 My game is just deception.

00:58:37.000 Well, the question mark kick is the ultimate deception.

00:58:39.000 I got a few more.

00:58:40.000 That's just the basic one I use.

00:58:42.000 I tried one on him.

00:58:44.000 You might catch it.

00:58:45.000 It was a changeup from a left kick to a front teat.

00:58:48.000 But it just went right there.

00:58:49.000 Here it is, right there.

00:58:50.000 Here we see the highlight.

00:58:52.000 Ooh, that was pretty.

00:58:53.000 You know, another one that you see Wonderboy likes to use is that front leg side kick, front leg roundhouse kick combination.

00:58:58.000 Yeah.

00:58:59.000 He comes in, touches you with a front leg sidekick, and then so swap!

00:59:03.000 Raymond Daniels, though, has the prettiest version of that.

00:59:07.000 Jumping sidekick, spinning back kick to the face that he did in Glory.

00:59:10.000 Yeah, that was sick.

00:59:11.000 That guy did the splits.

00:59:13.000 When you see a guy who can do that in a kickboxing match at a very high level, that's when you realize, whoa, this guy, you can't give him any room.

00:59:21.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:59:22.000 He likes space.

00:59:24.000 Joseph Valtellini and Nicky Holtzkin when they fought him.

00:59:26.000 That was really interesting.

00:59:27.000 Constant pressure and leg kicks.

00:59:28.000 Chopping that leg, chopping that leg, chopping that leg. 1.00

00:59:30.000 Yeah.

00:59:31.000 You know, but what I like about your style is you basically do both of those things. 0.96

00:59:35.000 You do the wild crazy shit, but you also do technical Muay Thai. 0.95

00:59:40.000 That's what I mean about, I kept on saying about Uriah Hall being a button basher. 0.99

00:59:43.000 Like, you know when you play Tekken and you just kind of like hope something cool happens?

00:59:47.000 That's what he does.

00:59:48.000 And I'm like, establish your basics first.

00:59:50.000 Establish your foundation.

00:59:51.000 Land your jab. 0.98

00:59:52.000 He did it in this last fight, but normally, establish something first, and then the cool shit comes afterwards. 0.89

00:59:58.000 You can't just... 0.86

00:59:59.000 And he's had success with knocked out Gegard with the jumping, spinning back kick.

01:00:02.000 But I think you'd have better success at landing those things if you establish your basics first.

01:00:09.000 Land your jab.

01:00:09.000 Set the pace.

01:00:10.000 Well, he was landing a lot of jabs in that fight, but Paulo Costa It was just constant, relentless with his pressure.

01:00:15.000 I called it two minutes before it happened.

01:00:17.000 I told Ash, my friend of mine, he's fading.

01:00:21.000 He's going to go soon.

01:00:22.000 He's going soon.

01:00:23.000 You can just see it when he starts to like...

01:00:24.000 Maybe because I see it, that's what I look for in a guy.

01:00:27.000 Or they tell me, I'm ready to go.

01:00:28.000 I'm like, alright, cool.

01:00:29.000 I'll help you out.

01:00:30.000 I'll just take him out.

01:00:32.000 You can just find it.

01:00:33.000 You look in their eyes or you feel them.

01:00:35.000 Like when you see a guy who's starting to crack.

01:00:37.000 You feel them.

01:00:38.000 You feel them wilt?

01:00:39.000 Yeah.

01:00:40.000 It's an energy.

01:00:41.000 It's an energy.

01:00:41.000 Right.

01:00:42.000 They're not as dangerous.

01:00:43.000 Yeah.

01:00:43.000 And he's ready to go.

01:00:44.000 Like example, my first fight.

01:00:46.000 Shout out to Rob Wilkinson.

01:00:46.000 I actually brought him in just to help me out.

01:00:48.000 Not for this camp, but for his wrestling pressure.

01:00:50.000 Rob Wilkinson.

01:00:51.000 He's a good guy.

01:00:52.000 He's my first UFC fight.

01:00:53.000 But when I was fighting him, I was in the second round after his last takedown attempt.

01:00:57.000 And then I, like, stuffed his head, got my leg out, and I skipped back to the middle, and I saw him walk back, like, circle, and then...

01:01:04.000 And just the body language, I was like, oh, you're ready?

01:01:07.000 And I throw my hands up, like, what's up?

01:01:09.000 And then pop, knee, boom, and I just kind of, like, just picked him apart slowly.

01:01:13.000 I didn't rush it.

01:01:14.000 Like, I keep telling, I don't rush these knockouts. 1.00

01:01:16.000 Like, a lot of people are like, oh, he hurt Brad about three times, but, you know, he didn't go for the finish.

01:01:21.000 I'm like...

01:01:22.000 I'm not trying to bum rush these dudes.

01:01:23.000 I just pick them apart.

01:01:24.000 They will fall eventually.

01:01:25.000 Well, not only that, but here's something to consider for people that don't really totally understand what you're doing.

01:01:31.000 You're doing everything correctly.

01:01:32.000 You're not really getting hit much.

01:01:34.000 No.

01:01:34.000 You're doing everything correctly, and by doing everything correctly, you're kind of ensuring to continue your domination in that fight versus put yourself in danger, which some people like.

01:01:43.000 Some people like, I just like to bite down on my mouth, piece, and bang.

01:01:46.000 I love me a Justin Gaethje, Michael Johnson.

01:01:48.000 Yeah!

01:01:48.000 But I'm not gonna be that guy.

01:01:50.000 I'm not gonna be that guy cuz I'm not here for a long time.

01:01:53.000 I'm here for a good time. 1.00

01:01:53.000 I just want to keep my wits about me Yeah, like Mayweather get in get out make your money and fuck off. 1.00

01:01:58.000 That's what I want to do You're fighting correctly in terms of like if you're trying to teach someone how to hit and not get hit you're fighting correctly Facts. 0.99

01:02:06.000 But in order to push further, if you were trying to make it more exciting and engage more, you have to risk getting hit.

01:02:12.000 Yeah.

01:02:12.000 And that's not a wise thing to do.

01:02:14.000 I take risks.

01:02:15.000 I like to take risks when I play with my distance.

01:02:17.000 Like, okay, am I too close?

01:02:19.000 Am I too far?

01:02:19.000 And before I take those risks, I calculate.

01:02:22.000 I know what he's going to do already.

01:02:24.000 I can bait them with something.

01:02:25.000 Like, if I want them to jab...

01:02:27.000 And I get closer.

01:02:28.000 And when he jabs, I slip and rip.

01:02:29.000 You know what I mean?

01:02:30.000 So I take risks, but I calculate my risks. 0.99

01:02:32.000 And sometimes I might do some wild shit like that in a binari roll. 0.99

01:02:36.000 I fucked up on that one because it was a little bit slippery. 0.99

01:02:40.000 I landed in training. 0.99

01:02:41.000 I catch it all the time, but I didn't account for the sweat on his legs.

01:02:45.000 And I got back up anyway, and I was like, come on!

01:02:47.000 It was a good one, you know?

01:02:49.000 It's a crazy thing to do.

01:02:50.000 You're also very honest when things don't go your way.

01:02:52.000 Yeah.

01:02:53.000 When things go wrong.

01:02:54.000 You had a kickboxing fight.

01:02:55.000 Was it in Glory?

01:02:56.000 Yeah.

01:02:56.000 No, that was the one in Brazil.

01:02:58.000 What's his name?

01:02:59.000 Alex.

01:03:00.000 Yeah.

01:03:01.000 Alex Pereira, right?

01:03:01.000 Yeah, Pereira, yeah.

01:03:02.000 Where you lost and you were talking about what it was like to get knocked out.

01:03:06.000 Yeah, for me, that's everyone's worst fear.

01:03:08.000 So that for me was two firsts for the first time.

01:03:11.000 My first back-to-back loss because that was just after the Glory fight.

01:03:14.000 My first knockout loss.

01:03:15.000 But the glory fight, although you lost, a lot of people thought you should have won the decision.

01:03:19.000 I won the fight.

01:03:20.000 If you look at him, I don't even base it on that, but we both knew.

01:03:24.000 I hit you more than you hit me.

01:03:26.000 And people were like, well, he had the pressure. 0.67

01:03:28.000 He walked you down. 0.99

01:03:29.000 And the commentary, being honest, was bullshit because... 0.99

01:03:32.000 I mean, respect to a guy like Valtellini, but he can't fight like me. 0.99

01:03:36.000 He can't understand my style.

01:03:37.000 His fight, you look at his career, he had to take time off because of, you know, trauma.

01:03:41.000 Because that's how we fight, so he appreciates that kind of style.

01:03:44.000 But, what's his name? 0.99

01:03:46.000 Well, Wellness walked me down, but he really couldn't do shit. 0.98

01:03:48.000 Leg kicks are supposed to slow you down. 0.98

01:03:50.000 I didn't slow down.

01:03:51.000 I was still dancing around him in the fifth round.

01:03:53.000 I was slipping and stuff.

01:03:54.000 I was fresh, you know, but...

01:03:56.000 Yeah, that fight, I felt like I won that fight, but it's alright.

01:03:59.000 It wasn't meant to be.

01:04:00.000 Everything happens the way it's supposed to happen.

01:04:01.000 I wasn't supposed to get that belt.

01:04:02.000 And I'm okay with it.

01:04:04.000 Well, the fight was the fight.

01:04:07.000 Exactly.

01:04:07.000 It really was just the judges that people have a dispute with.

01:04:10.000 The actual fight was a successful fight for you in that you did land more shots than he did.

01:04:14.000 But then losing the next fight...

01:04:16.000 By KO. But you talked about it online.

01:04:18.000 You were real open about it on Instagram.

01:04:20.000 Because that's the fear.

01:04:21.000 Every fighter...

01:04:23.000 If it was just me and a guy fighting and I lost, it's like, oh, whatever.

01:04:26.000 But when you put it in front of millions of people, that's the fear. 1.00

01:04:30.000 It's like, oh, shit. 1.00

01:04:31.000 I don't want to look like shit in front of all these people. 1.00

01:04:33.000 What did you get hit with? 1.00

01:04:34.000 I was southpaw.

01:04:35.000 It was a left hook from him.

01:04:37.000 And before that, first round, I teed him up.

01:04:40.000 Second round, I rocked him. 0.99

01:04:42.000 But then from that wellness fight, I let some bullshit get to me. 0.99

01:04:46.000 Just online. 0.99

01:04:47.000 People in your life are like, oh man, you should've won that fight, blah, blah, blah.

01:04:53.000 Guess you shouldn't leave it in the Dodgers' hands. 0.99

01:04:55.000 They'll say some shit like that and it just seeps into you. 0.99

01:04:57.000 So when I heard him in that second round, I just went berserk what people expect me to do, what people in the UFC do. 0.99

01:05:03.000 I started throwing bombs.

01:05:05.000 No, I was only throwing right hands.

01:05:06.000 I was only throwing right hands at him.

01:05:08.000 And I watched that fight back.

01:05:10.000 I haven't watched it in a long time.

01:05:11.000 But when I watched it back, I was like, why are you doing this?

01:05:13.000 Because that's not me.

01:05:13.000 That's not me staying true to myself.

01:05:15.000 What I would have done if I was, you know, being true to myself is just, all right, cool.

01:05:19.000 Where's the shot?

01:05:20.000 Boom, pop, boom.

01:05:22.000 Just pick him up.

01:05:22.000 Mix it up.

01:05:23.000 Do what you always do.

01:05:23.000 He was hurt.

01:05:24.000 He was out on his feet already.

01:05:25.000 So it's a good story for him.

01:05:27.000 You know, like he knocked me out at the third round after he got rocked in the second round.

01:05:31.000 But I mean, yeah, it was good for him.

01:05:33.000 But hey, if we fight again, because even after my UFC debut, he put like a contract up, like he's coming to the UFC as well.

01:05:39.000 I'm like, all right, make your way up. 0.98

01:05:40.000 I'll fuck him up. 1.00

01:05:42.000 100%. 1.00

01:05:43.000 He's a very good kickboxer too.

01:05:45.000 I mean, there's no shame.

01:05:47.000 He's beat me twice.

01:05:48.000 And the first time as well was another weird, you know, he's walking forward, you know, not landing shots, but I'm moving back and hitting him the whole time.

01:05:55.000 And the judges gave it to him.

01:05:57.000 So I was like, credit to you.

01:05:58.000 You got the fight.

01:05:59.000 I'll fight you again.

01:06:00.000 So if he makes his way to the UFC, he can get it anytime.

01:06:03.000 Is he trying to fight MMA now?

01:06:05.000 I think he's had MMA fights.

01:06:07.000 He's had MMA fights.

01:06:08.000 But a lot of kickboxers, like I said, my boy Brad, even he realizes MMA is where it's at.

01:06:12.000 The UFC, they see the way...

01:06:15.000 Best run company I've ever, like, come across.

01:06:17.000 I fought all around the world, fought for glory, fought in China.

01:06:20.000 No one runs a show like the UFC. Like, everything has a place and a time, and it's just so clean.

01:06:26.000 And you get your money quick.

01:06:27.000 That's one thing I like about UFC as well. 1.00

01:06:29.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:06:30.000 It's a well-oiled machine. 1.00

01:06:31.000 Definitely.

01:06:31.000 You know, I mean, they've been running it that way since 2002, and now the new organization is basically most of the old organizations.

01:06:38.000 Yeah.

01:06:39.000 Yeah.

01:06:39.000 It's nice to work for, man.

01:06:41.000 I still enjoy it after all these years.

01:06:42.000 When's your next one?

01:06:43.000 The next one's in LA, right?

01:06:44.000 Yep.

01:06:45.000 Next one is next.

01:06:46.000 TJ versus Cody.

01:06:47.000 The rematch.

01:06:47.000 Sick fight.

01:06:48.000 I can't wait. 1.00

01:06:49.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:06:50.000 That first fight. 0.99

01:06:52.000 Do you feel like after the last Robert Whitaker, Yoel Romero fight that your weight class is kind of in this weird state?

01:07:00.000 What do you mean?

01:07:01.000 Well, Whitaker won the fight, but a lot of people thought Romero might have gotten the nod because he knocked him down and hurt him, and then he hurt him again in the next round.

01:07:11.000 A lot of people thought, at the very least, it was a draw.

01:07:13.000 Because if you look at it on paper, Whitaker never really hurt Romero, but Romero did significantly hurt Whitaker twice.

01:07:20.000 Yeah.

01:07:21.000 And, you know, he came off of knocking out Rockhold.

01:07:23.000 But then again, he didn't miss weight.

01:07:24.000 So that kind of puts it in turmoil, too.

01:07:26.000 I don't really care.

01:07:27.000 I think he's moving up.

01:07:29.000 I think he said he's going to go to light heavyweight.

01:07:31.000 Yeah, I think that's the most recent statement.

01:07:33.000 How tall is he?

01:07:34.000 He's not that tall.

01:07:35.000 Dude, that guy is...

01:07:36.000 He built like a brick shithouse.

01:07:38.000 He looks like an action figure. 0.99

01:07:39.000 When he came in here to do a podcast while I was in camp, him and Joey Diaz translated and shit, I was looking and I'm like, he's 230 pounds. 0.99

01:07:48.000 He's fucking huge. 0.97

01:07:49.000 How's he going to make 185? 0.99

01:07:50.000 That's how I felt when I first met Anthony Johnson. 0.98

01:07:52.000 I was like, how the fuck? 0.99

01:07:55.000 How the fuck did he I literally saw him. 1.00

01:07:57.000 He's just like a thick burger, like huge. 0.99

01:08:00.000 And he hit me once, I think when we're sparring, only once, like a clean one.

01:08:05.000 And I was like, I'm not getting hit by that again.

01:08:07.000 That was it.

01:08:08.000 So dangerous.

01:08:09.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:08:09.000 It was good work.

01:08:10.000 I enjoyed the work we got together, but definitely you don't want to get hit.

01:08:12.000 Is he a hard spar or will he spar light with you?

01:08:14.000 No.

01:08:15.000 I was the guy that brought in for him to mess up, but yeah, I didn't let it happen.

01:08:20.000 I was making sure like, nah, stay away from that.

01:08:23.000 There's one.

01:08:24.000 He teeped me, and I went from one side of the cage to the other.

01:08:27.000 He hit me.

01:08:27.000 You know that teepee does?

01:08:28.000 Like the side teepee just pushes you?

01:08:29.000 Right, like an elliptical?

01:08:31.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:08:31.000 Yeah, that one.

01:08:32.000 Oblique kick, yeah.

01:08:33.000 And he just did.

01:08:33.000 And I went, hit the fence on the other side.

01:08:35.000 I was like, yup, he's a big boy.

01:08:38.000 I was probably maybe 90 cages at the time, so that was about 200 pounds. 1.00

01:08:42.000 But yeah, he's a motherfucker. 1.00

01:08:43.000 You don't want to spar him. 1.00

01:08:44.000 Yeah, to get down to 205 is a bit of a struggle, which is just so crazy.

01:08:48.000 Hey, he got his licks as well.

01:08:50.000 It was back and forth.

01:08:51.000 Oh, I'm sure.

01:08:51.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:08:52.000 But it was good work. 0.98

01:08:53.000 How the fuck did he make 170? 0.97

01:08:54.000 I have no idea. 0.98

01:08:55.000 I saw him in between fights at 170, and he was 230 pounds.

01:08:59.000 I was like...

01:09:00.000 What do you weigh?

01:09:01.000 You see him now?

01:09:02.000 You see him on Instagram?

01:09:03.000 He's huge!

01:09:04.000 I saw him a couple weeks ago.

01:09:06.000 He said if he's going to come back, he's going to come back as a heavyweight.

01:09:09.000 Perfect.

01:09:09.000 Dude.

01:09:10.000 And he's already been a heavyweight. 1.00

01:09:11.000 He's been a fucking dude that heavyweight. 0.98

01:09:13.000 He just couldn't answer the puzzle that was DC. DC's the one who really had him figured out. 0.99

01:09:19.000 Yeah.

01:09:20.000 DC just figured him out, man.

01:09:22.000 DC just knew how to break them.

01:09:23.000 I think it's just the gas tank as well sometimes.

01:09:25.000 He puts his foot on the gas too quick.

01:09:28.000 And also learning how to not be conservative, but manage your gas tank.

01:09:32.000 Yeah.

01:09:33.000 A lot of people don't know. 1.00

01:09:34.000 He would just swing for the fucking bleachers. 0.99

01:09:37.000 That's what I mean. 0.99

01:09:37.000 And most of the time, when he did that, he would just put guys in a coma. 0.99

01:09:41.000 And I just think, at a certain point in time, He was on the tear. 1.00

01:09:45.000 He was that motherfucker. 1.00

01:09:47.000 Oh, dude. 1.00

01:09:47.000 He was that motherfucker for a long time. 1.00

01:09:49.000 The only one he had with Glover Teixeira. 1.00

01:09:51.000 That didn't look like much.

01:09:53.000 The uppercut.

01:09:53.000 It didn't look like much.

01:09:54.000 And it was in a bit of a scramble.

01:09:56.000 They were just working.

01:09:58.000 Dude, it was amazing.

01:09:59.000 When he hit him with that, I was like, Jesus Christ. 0.98

01:10:03.000 He had ridiculous punching power. 0.99

01:10:05.000 Some of the most ridiculous punching power I've ever seen. 0.99

01:10:07.000 Guys like that. 0.98

01:10:08.000 Mark Hunt.

01:10:09.000 Him.

01:10:10.000 Who's another one?

01:10:12.000 Rampage had that as well.

01:10:13.000 I don't understand.

01:10:16.000 And Chuck, what I liked that he had it was because he was long as well.

01:10:19.000 He wasn't really a thick guy, but I think it's his levers, his arms.

01:10:23.000 He just knew how to whip that.

01:10:25.000 What are they fighting, he and Tito?

01:10:27.000 I don't know, man, but there's a video of Chuck working out.

01:10:31.000 He's working out with Ray Sefo.

01:10:32.000 Yeah, I saw that.

01:10:33.000 See that?

01:10:33.000 Yeah.

01:10:34.000 Shit. 1.00

01:10:35.000 Maybe, I'll give him credit, benefit of the doubt, because I'm like, okay, maybe he hasn't hit pads in a while. 0.99

01:10:39.000 Let's see, maybe three weeks from now.

01:10:41.000 When are they fighting?

01:10:42.000 I have no idea.

01:10:44.000 Young Jamie, pull that up.

01:10:45.000 I would think that...

01:10:47.000 You want to say that, right?

01:10:48.000 I would say that.

01:10:51.000 It feels good.

01:10:53.000 Yeah, maybe four weeks.

01:10:55.000 Let's see if he keeps the training up.

01:10:57.000 It's like riding a bike.

01:10:58.000 He didn't look like Chuck of Old, obviously, because we have something to compare it to.

01:11:02.000 But he's not going to be like that either way.

01:11:06.000 But let's see if he can get better from what that was on Instagram.

01:11:09.000 But also, he's a 49-year-old guy, and he's probably warming up.

01:11:13.000 Yeah, that's what I mean.

01:11:14.000 Hopefully that was just him just throwing, getting loose, and then maybe three rounds in.

01:11:19.000 Do you still spar?

01:11:20.000 No.

01:11:21.000 You roll?

01:11:22.000 I roll, but I'm 50 years old.

01:11:24.000 I can't get hit in the head. 1.00

01:11:25.000 Fuck off, for real. 1.00

01:11:27.000 I can't get hit in the head anymore. 1.00

01:11:28.000 I'm old enough to not be willing to get hit in the head anymore.

01:11:33.000 I stopped when I was probably 28, 29. When I first moved to LA, I still did some kickboxing.

01:11:40.000 I went to Benny the Jet Center in Van Nuys.

01:11:44.000 Remember Benny Urquidez?

01:11:45.000 I know Benny the Jet.

01:11:46.000 He's one of the original OG kickboxers.

01:11:48.000 Him and Blinky Rodriguez had the Jet Center in Van Nuys.

01:11:52.000 And for me, there was two things that I wanted to do when I came to California.

01:11:55.000 One, I wanted to go to Hard Times Billiards.

01:11:57.000 Because Hard Times in Bellflower, California, it's one of the legendary pool halls in the country.

01:12:03.000 And two, I wanted to go to the Jet Center in Van Nuys.

01:12:06.000 And I went there, dude, and it was all gang members.

01:12:08.000 And Blinky Rodriguez had a program where he would let these gang members in and have them all take classes.

01:12:15.000 So you'd be sparring with hardcore gangbangers. 0.91

01:12:21.000 One dude had this really shitty tattoo on his back with his gang. 0.78

01:12:25.000 I forget the name. 1.00

01:12:26.000 And then it said, fuck the rest. 1.00

01:12:28.000 On his back. 1.00

01:12:29.000 And we're both putting our mouthpieces.

01:12:31.000 I'm like, Jesus, what am I doing?

01:12:32.000 I grew up in the suburbs.

01:12:33.000 It kind of happens though.

01:12:34.000 Gang activity kind of like just seeps its way into fight.

01:12:37.000 They finally went to fight culture somehow. 0.55

01:12:38.000 Yeah.

01:12:39.000 Well, Blinky, I believe Blinky Rodriguez lost his son to gang violence.

01:12:44.000 Oh, real?

01:12:44.000 Yeah.

01:12:44.000 So is that why he did that?

01:12:45.000 He had an open up program.

01:13:05.000 It's that point karate, isn't it?

01:13:07.000 No, no, no.

01:13:07.000 It was PKA karate with kickboxing, but it was above the waist like Rick Rufus style.

01:13:11.000 And Jean-Yves Theriot, is that true?

01:13:14.000 That he did lose his Sunday gang violence?

01:13:16.000 Yeah.

01:13:16.000 Jean-Yves Theriot fought.

01:13:17.000 See if you can find Blinky Rodriguez KO's Jean-Yves Theriot.

01:13:22.000 And Theriot is T-H-E-R. I forget all the rest of the way to spell his name, but he was the man in kickboxing in like the 80s.

01:13:31.000 That was before my time.

01:13:33.000 He had pretty decent kicks, nothing special, but ridiculous knockout power in his punches.

01:13:38.000 What was his hands like?

01:13:38.000 Boxing?

01:13:39.000 Boxing, yeah.

01:13:40.000 But Blinky Rodriguez caught him with a left hook and starched him. 1.00

01:13:43.000 And that was always like one of Blinky, here it is right here, they're fighting.

01:13:46.000 This is like one of Blinky's claims to fame.

01:13:49.000 Throwback.

01:13:50.000 Yeah, I mean, this is...

01:13:51.000 Which was Blinky? 0.68

01:13:52.000 Blinky is the guy in the blue shorts.

01:13:54.000 The blue, all right.

01:13:54.000 And Johnny Viterio is the tall Montreal guy.

01:13:58.000 He was an interesting guy, man.

01:13:59.000 He was one of the first advocates of stair running, too.

01:14:02.000 Okay.

01:14:02.000 Yeah, he was...

01:14:03.000 Like sprints?

01:14:04.000 Yeah, well, running hills and running stairs because he felt like for kicking power. 1.00

01:14:09.000 They're good for you, but fuck them. 1.00

01:14:10.000 Fuck them, right? 1.00

01:14:11.000 There's something about gravity. 1.00

01:14:12.000 Oh, nice.

01:14:13.000 Well, Blinky was a karate guy. 1.00

01:14:14.000 He had all kinds of crazy shit. 1.00

01:14:15.000 Spinning backfists and all that shit, but he had this... 1.00

01:14:18.000 Boom! 1.00

01:14:18.000 There it is, son. 1.00

01:14:19.000 Oh, yeah.

01:14:19.000 Yo!

01:14:19.000 Blinky had a ridiculous left hook.

01:14:21.000 Stiff. 0.99

01:14:21.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:14:22.000 The arms.

01:14:22.000 Boom.

01:14:22.000 Watch that again.

01:14:23.000 Boom! 0.99

01:14:24.000 That's beautiful.

01:14:24.000 I like how I set that up as well.

01:14:25.000 One more time.

01:14:25.000 Yeah.

01:14:26.000 From that low kick.

01:14:27.000 Boom.

01:14:27.000 Boom!

01:14:28.000 Boom! 0.99

01:14:29.000 That's textbook.

01:14:30.000 See, that's textbook.

01:14:31.000 Beautiful.

01:14:31.000 Nothing wrong with textbook.

01:14:32.000 So, it was an honor just to be there in Blinky's gym.

01:14:35.000 Oh, you were right there.

01:14:36.000 On his gym, yeah.

01:14:37.000 This was way later.

01:14:38.000 I came to LA in 93. Yeah.

01:14:41.000 So, it was 93 when I was here.

01:14:42.000 Full of the dream.

01:14:43.000 Yeah.

01:14:43.000 Full of the dream.

01:14:44.000 From where?

01:14:44.000 I came here from Boston.

01:14:45.000 Well, Boston to New York, New York to LA. So I started coming here around 93, and I think I joined.

01:14:50.000 I joined the Jet Center, but they had got damaged from the earthquake in 93, and the fucking roof, when it would rain, it would just flood the whole gym. 0.51

01:14:58.000 So they had to wind up moving. 0.92

01:15:00.000 So, glory days.

01:15:03.000 No word on that fight.

01:15:04.000 It's booked for later this year.

01:15:06.000 Which fight?

01:15:07.000 Ortiz Liddell.

01:15:08.000 Oh! 0.60

01:15:09.000 Later this year.

01:15:10.000 Just no word.

01:15:10.000 His terms won.

01:15:11.000 I wonder how Tito looks as well.

01:15:14.000 Maybe see him hitting pads.

01:15:16.000 He looks good.

01:15:16.000 Look, Tito has been winning.

01:15:18.000 He fought recently.

01:15:19.000 He beat Chael Sonnen recently.

01:15:21.000 Tito is still active.

01:15:24.000 I saw Tito hit pads.

01:15:26.000 He still looks good, man.

01:15:27.000 He's still a beast.

01:15:28.000 He's got a Gang of back surgeries though.

01:15:30.000 Knee surgeries and back surgeries.

01:15:32.000 Tito's, his whole back is all surgery, man.

01:15:35.000 There's a crazy video of him.

01:15:37.000 He's lying unconscious.

01:15:38.000 They got him sedated and the doctor has a hammer and a chisel and his neck.

01:15:43.000 And his neck!

01:15:44.000 He's going like this.

01:15:45.000 Clink, clink, clink, clink.

01:15:47.000 Putting some spacer in his neck.

01:15:49.000 Like fusing his neck together. 1.00

01:15:51.000 Fuck that. 1.00

01:15:52.000 I'm not about that life. 1.00

01:15:54.000 That headlock life is a different life.

01:15:57.000 He was a wrestler by trade.

01:16:01.000 All those wrestlers, they all wind up with some sort of catastrophic back injury.

01:16:06.000 It's just a matter of how long can you hold out.

01:16:08.000 For me now, I'm trying to be preemptive because for the longest time, I kind of just neglected all that stuff with like chiro, physio, whatnot.

01:16:17.000 So now I'm like, if I want to fight at this level and be healthy, avoid injury, You got to look after yourself in that sense.

01:16:25.000 What kind of strength and conditioning work do you do?

01:16:28.000 Strength and conditioning.

01:16:28.000 Sun Tzu is a guy that does my strength and conditioning work.

01:16:31.000 And the thing is, I know not much about these things.

01:16:34.000 Like, even when he tells me to lift, like put some template, I never ask what the numbers are.

01:16:38.000 Because if I know what the numbers are, I feel like I might...

01:16:40.000 I might get daunted like, oh shit, I can't lift this.

01:16:43.000 And then I'll ask afterwards, like, what was that deadlift? 0.97

01:16:45.000 Oh, that was 180. I was like, okay, cool.

01:16:48.000 That's alright. 0.98

01:16:49.000 But yeah, I do shit like deadlift, a little bit of bench, a lot of band work, a lot of plyometrics, like exploding. 0.99

01:16:57.000 Yeah, learning how to just fire. 0.98

01:17:00.000 Like when he says go, he's not just working the muscles, he wants to work the mind.

01:17:03.000 So when it's time to explode, the mind just knows it's time to move.

01:17:07.000 Like quick twitch.

01:17:09.000 And how many days a week do you do it?

01:17:11.000 Two times a week.

01:17:12.000 Two times a week, yeah.

01:17:13.000 And when you do it, how do you schedule your, does someone schedule all of your workouts or do you do it yourself?

01:17:19.000 You have input.

01:17:19.000 How does that work?

01:17:20.000 I have input, but my main coach, Eugene Bearman, he's the one that schedules my workouts.

01:17:24.000 So he says, today we're doing wrestling, tomorrow we're doing...

01:17:26.000 We have a timetable, so for each camp, we'll adjust the timetable accordingly.

01:17:31.000 So for example, when I go back now, I'm not going to do any VO2 max, no alactic capacity, all that kind of stuff.

01:17:37.000 No camp stuff.

01:17:38.000 I want to go...

01:17:39.000 Because it's after the fight.

01:17:41.000 After the fight, yeah.

01:17:41.000 So it's skill work after the fight?

01:17:42.000 Yeah, skill work, yeah.

01:17:43.000 Just upgrade the software.

01:17:44.000 But also because, yeah, I think I've done well this year.

01:17:47.000 Three fights in six months.

01:17:49.000 I'm like, you know what?

01:17:50.000 Take my foot off the gas a little bit.

01:17:51.000 I'm just going to chill.

01:17:52.000 How long will you chill for, you think?

01:17:54.000 Probably till September, maybe.

01:17:56.000 By that time, I want to go back to yoga, Bikram, because my flexibility is kind of...

01:18:00.000 I felt it in this camp in the early...

01:18:01.000 It took me a little bit longer to get my kicks going.

01:18:04.000 Eugene was teasing me, saying I'm getting old. 1.00

01:18:06.000 I was like, fuck that. 0.98

01:18:07.000 I still have it, but I just think I need to get my flexibility back to where it was. 0.99

01:18:11.000 When you do plyos and things along those lines, do you stretch heavily afterwards?

01:18:15.000 Afterwards...

01:18:16.000 I should, and I try to, but sometimes I just neglect that.

01:18:20.000 I forget.

01:18:21.000 I forget. 0.97

01:18:21.000 Damn, that's kind of so important because that's the time where you really have some opportunity for stretching or really advancing your range of motion. 0.97

01:18:28.000 After plyometrics, really. 0.97

01:18:29.000 Yeah, well, any time, explosive exercise, you're really tired, your muscles are completely heated up.

01:18:35.000 Or, you know, Bikram's great for that, too, because you get a lot of exhaustion of the muscles, then you have that extreme heat, and everything's super pliable.

01:18:42.000 Right, right.

01:18:42.000 When I go to Bikram, I can still do a full split.

01:18:44.000 But if I had to do a full split right now, it'd be a little bit of a struggle.

01:18:49.000 I felt the way after Bikram classes, I was always more loose.

01:18:52.000 Yeah, that heat is something, man.

01:18:54.000 Someone can hack it, though.

01:18:56.000 They need to hack it. 1.00

01:18:57.000 Cut the shit, of course you can hack it. 1.00

01:18:59.000 If it was between live or die, never see your family again, or wait ten more minutes in the sauna, shut the fuck up! 1.00

01:19:04.000 Even just for the first session I ever did ever in Bikram, I sat there. 0.99

01:19:09.000 I didn't push myself as hard, but I just sat on the mat if maybe that pose was a little bit too much or if I felt some type of way, but I'm African.

01:19:15.000 I can handle it.

01:19:16.000 That ain't bad if you can't...

01:19:18.000 Look, the whole thing about it is adaptation.

01:19:20.000 If you overrun your body right away, you're not going to recover as well.

01:19:23.000 You're not going to enjoy it as much.

01:19:24.000 If you can't get through a 90-minute Bikram class, but you can do 60 minutes, then you have to sit down for 10 and then jump back in for 10, then just do that.

01:19:32.000 Exactly.

01:19:32.000 Know your body, have some cold water.

01:19:33.000 Just sit down for the first bite and just feel the heat.

01:19:37.000 Just sit down.

01:19:37.000 Try what you can and if you can't do it, just sit down.

01:19:39.000 Dude, that shit is so good for you. 1.00

01:19:41.000 I know Bikram's a crazy asshole. 1.00

01:19:43.000 I've heard some stories. 1.00

01:19:45.000 I know he's crazy.

01:19:46.000 He did an HBO. But here's the thing, man. 0.73

01:19:48.000 Just because he's crazy doesn't mean it's effective.

01:19:51.000 You can't throw out the baby with the bathwater. 1.00

01:19:53.000 I know that dude's nuts. 0.87

01:19:54.000 But also, here's the other thing about Bikram. 0.79

01:19:56.000 Although he's a great yogi and his system is amazing, I don't even think he came up with that system.

01:20:01.000 I think that system has existed for a long time.

01:20:04.000 Like you're from India or something. 0.95

01:20:05.000 Yeah!

01:20:06.000 Google this, please.

01:20:08.000 I think he lost a lawsuit based on him trying to copyright those sequences of yoga.

01:20:16.000 And I think the problem is that the yoga, those moves, all those moves have existed for literally thousands of years.

01:20:23.000 Who was trying to claim them?

01:20:24.000 Well, he was trying to claim them in succession.

01:20:27.000 So, like, say if you opened up the Stylebender yoga class and you used all Bikram's moves.

01:20:33.000 That's not a bad idea.

01:20:33.000 Not bad.

01:20:34.000 I like it.

01:20:35.000 Stylebender.

01:20:35.000 Especially.

01:20:42.000 What he's essentially saying is that he came up with this idea to put them all in that particular order, which is a super effective order.

01:20:50.000 Like his order of yoga poses is an amazing order.

01:20:54.000 Is it the same worldwide?

01:20:55.000 Yep.

01:20:55.000 Everywhere you go.

01:20:56.000 I've taken classes everywhere.

01:20:57.000 It's all the same.

01:20:58.000 Because I only went to one, so I thought it's the same thing for that.

01:21:01.000 If you do the, well, there's, you know, there's like vinyasa, there's flow classes, which are also very interesting.

01:21:06.000 Yeah.

01:21:07.000 And I've taken those too, but there's something really good about the 90-minute Bikram program.

01:21:12.000 He just has it nailed.

01:21:14.000 Yeah.

01:21:14.000 He figured it out.

01:21:15.000 But I don't even know if that was his idea.

01:21:17.000 I think there was other people that did that.

01:21:18.000 He sued people.

01:21:20.000 Oh, he did?

01:21:20.000 Yeah.

01:21:21.000 He's a gangster. 1.00

01:21:22.000 He's so crazy. 0.99

01:21:23.000 They had this... 0.85

01:21:23.000 I mean, I don't even mean it in a good way. 0.85

01:21:26.000 They had this HBO documentary where they're interviewing him, and he was talking about girls saying that he banged him and all this different thing.

01:21:32.000 He goes, listen to me. 0.95

01:21:33.000 He goes, there are people that would pay $1 million for one drop of my sperm. 0.98

01:21:39.000 $1 million.

01:21:40.000 He's getting interviewed by HBO. And he's like...

01:21:43.000 Like as if there's a bunch of people waiting, like an auction house filled with people.

01:21:46.000 Who wants three ounces? 0.99

01:21:51.000 Right here.

01:21:52.000 One million dollars. 0.94

01:21:53.000 We have one million dollars for one drop of sperm. 0.97

01:21:56.000 Who's in?

01:21:56.000 How old is he?

01:21:57.000 What does he even look like?

01:21:58.000 I'll take three drops.

01:21:59.000 What kind of specimen is he?

01:22:00.000 Is he like an old type dude? 1.00

01:22:02.000 Is he in shape?

01:22:04.000 He's not holding it together the best.

01:22:07.000 Okay.

01:22:08.000 You know, like, if you and him, if you didn't see, if you're both the same skin color, and you didn't see your heads, and you looked at your torsos, you would know who's who.

01:22:17.000 Okay.

01:22:17.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:22:17.000 Let's put it that way.

01:22:18.000 Yeah, let's put it that way.

01:22:19.000 I mean, he's like a 70-year-old guy.

01:22:21.000 I mean, how long can you hang in there?

01:22:22.000 Can he still make sperm? 0.99

01:22:23.000 One drop of my sperm. 0.99

01:22:25.000 One million dollars. 0.99

01:22:27.000 One million dollars.

01:22:29.000 Yeah, he's, uh, there he is.

01:22:31.000 Holler at your boy.

01:22:32.000 Still looking jacked.

01:22:33.000 Is that him?

01:22:34.000 Let me see.

01:22:34.000 Go large on that picture.

01:22:36.000 Not bad.

01:22:37.000 Probably eating a few too many carbs.

01:22:39.000 Yeah.

01:22:40.000 Needs to get some squats or some hill runs in. 0.99

01:22:42.000 But when it comes to yoga, he's flexible as fuck and knows how to do all that shit. 0.99

01:22:47.000 Doesn't look 70. Well, you know what, man? 0.99

01:22:50.000 Look, let's go back to that picture again real quick.

01:22:52.000 There he goes.

01:22:53.000 Go back to that picture again real quick in his underwear.

01:22:55.000 The one on the...

01:22:56.000 Yeah.

01:22:57.000 Right above that.

01:22:58.000 Right above that.

01:22:59.000 Yeah.

01:22:59.000 Listen, man.

01:23:00.000 Look at that. 0.99

01:23:00.000 Let me just be real as fuck. 0.99

01:23:01.000 Gravity's a thing. 0.99

01:23:02.000 Gravity's a thing. 0.99

01:23:03.000 And let's be real as fuck. 1.00

01:23:04.000 If you walk around wearing underwear like that in a yoga class, you're there to fuck. 1.00

01:23:10.000 That guy's there to fuck. 1.00

01:23:13.000 He's there to fuck. 1.00

01:23:14.000 And if you leave a girl alone with him, he's going to touch her. 1.00

01:23:17.000 He's going to pull that Indian dick out. 1.00

01:23:18.000 He's going to send it home. 1.00

01:23:21.000 He's going to send... 1.00

01:23:23.000 What's an Indian dick as opposed to like a French dick? 1.00

01:23:27.000 It comes out like a cobra! 1.00

01:23:31.000 Look at that guy.

01:23:32.000 He's wearing little tiny skivvies.

01:23:34.000 Oh man, he's out here.

01:23:35.000 If you're a dude and you commit...

01:23:37.000 That's me at 70. You can't be like an amateur yoga guy.

01:23:40.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:23:40.000 Wow, look at that girl. 1.00

01:23:42.000 That's from the Kama Sutra.

01:23:43.000 Yeah.

01:23:44.000 Might be.

01:23:45.000 Yeah.

01:23:46.000 Okay.

01:23:48.000 You can't have underwear like that on and not be good at yoga.

01:23:52.000 If you're like a beginner and you fall down every time you try to do eagle pose, they'll talk to you.

01:23:57.000 Hey man, why don't you put some more clothes on?

01:24:00.000 But if he walks in there with his man bun... 0.95

01:24:01.000 He earns a right to flex.

01:24:02.000 Yeah, he's got a right to flex, man.

01:24:04.000 You know what I mean? 0.99

01:24:04.000 I mean, he's fucking... 0.99

01:24:06.000 It's like... 1.00

01:24:07.000 I don't know.

01:24:08.000 If you were a bowler, you had a bowling glove covered with rhinestones.

01:24:12.000 Like, you better be good.

01:24:12.000 Michael Jackson glove style thing.

01:24:14.000 Right!

01:24:14.000 Oh, that's the thing.

01:24:15.000 Someone should do it.

01:24:16.000 Someone should do it, right?

01:24:18.000 Boiling love with rhinestones on it.

01:24:20.000 What else do you do?

01:24:21.000 Do you ever do gymnastics?

01:24:23.000 Gymnastics?

01:24:24.000 No, I dance.

01:24:25.000 What kind of dance?

01:24:26.000 You said that earlier.

01:24:27.000 I forgot to go back to that.

01:24:28.000 So I started off with popping as a kid.

01:24:30.000 Now I'm crump.

01:24:31.000 I crump dance.

01:24:32.000 That's like, yeah.

01:24:33.000 What's a crump dance?

01:24:34.000 Crump dance is...

01:24:36.000 Actually, it originated in LA. Really?

01:24:39.000 Yeah, South Central LA. Like, Tide Eyes and Big Mijo started it off.

01:24:43.000 But I remember I watched this movie as a kid called Rise, and that's kind of what introduced it to the world.

01:24:47.000 Kind of like the way Ong Bak did with Muay Thai, made it more mainstream.

01:24:50.000 Rise, it's spelled R-I. This is it right here?

01:24:52.000 This is popping.

01:24:53.000 This is with Poppin' Pete.

01:24:54.000 Look up a guy called Tide Eyes.

01:24:56.000 T-I-T. This guy's good.

01:24:57.000 Look at him go. 1.00

01:24:58.000 Poppin' Pete's the shit. 1.00

01:24:59.000 Hold on, let that guy go. 1.00

01:25:01.000 So this guy's from the Electric Boogaloos.

01:25:03.000 So this is how I started off.

01:25:04.000 Look at him go.

01:25:05.000 Back in the day.

01:25:06.000 What's with the towel though, seriously?

01:25:08.000 Are your hands that sweaty?

01:25:09.000 He'll probably use it with a move or something.

01:25:12.000 Oh yeah, he's a man.

01:25:15.000 It's so strange that people went thousands of years without these styles, and then when electronic music came along, people went, oh, the sound's different, let's move different.

01:25:23.000 Yeah, but for me, I had this metamorphosis last year, around my birthday, and then, for whatever reason, I just went back to dance because I felt like I had this dance.

01:25:32.000 You know how people get writer's block?

01:25:34.000 I had dancer's block for like maybe six years or five years.

01:25:37.000 I just couldn't create.

01:25:38.000 I could dance.

01:25:39.000 I could flow, but I couldn't create anything.

01:25:41.000 Do you know Lomachenko studied four years of Ukrainian dance?

01:25:44.000 Yeah, I heard.

01:25:45.000 Yeah, I heard.

01:25:45.000 Classical Ukrainian dance.

01:25:47.000 One thing I learned is muscle memory.

01:25:50.000 I know dancers who have to do shows and they have to learn like 20 different sequences and that's for the whole show like 20 different each sequence might be like anywhere from a minute to three minutes and they have to do it like that so when I started dancing again when I went back to training drilling my I can retain that information so much better like it's muscle memory right so I don't even have to think about certain moves when I do it just boom Because,

01:26:12.000 oh, I remember this.

01:26:12.000 It's easy.

01:26:13.000 And the muscle just does like, how do you do that?

01:26:15.000 I wasn't thinking.

01:26:15.000 So dancing really translates into muscle memory like that in an effortless way.

01:26:20.000 Like dancers, I think, have the best muscle memory or maybe one of the best in the world.

01:26:26.000 Well, it makes sense that you're learning to use your body in a choreographed way almost like a kata. 0.99

01:26:31.000 I used to think katas were stupid when I was a kid. 1.00

01:26:35.000 I really did. 1.00

01:26:36.000 I used to think it was dumb. 0.89

01:26:37.000 I thought they were cool when I was a kid. 0.83

01:26:38.000 I think they look cool when someone's doing it, but I hate learning.

01:26:40.000 I felt like I only learned them to get the next belt, but then once I learned them, I forgot them totally.

01:26:46.000 But now that I think back, I realize that was a mistake on my part because what that was was...

01:26:52.000 I thought I knew better, which is hilarious.

01:26:54.000 I thought I knew better than people who learned martial arts for thousands of years.

01:26:58.000 And it's not that kata makes you a better fighter, but it makes you have better control of your body.

01:27:03.000 And the thing about, like, holding a sidekick up in the air, there's a lot of people that just can't do that.

01:27:08.000 I can't.

01:27:09.000 I've seen, like, Dapheth, he's the guy that taught me Taekwondo.

01:27:11.000 Like, literally, his dexterity in his legs, he'll, on one leg, pop, pop, pop, pop.

01:27:21.000 I think there's a balance.

01:27:23.000 I think the balance is between that and maybe the tie style.

01:27:28.000 That's what I'm trying to find.

01:27:29.000 And sometimes you can go one side too much, but you have to be objective enough to know, okay, this is what I need.

01:27:34.000 And you feel your body.

01:27:36.000 And for each fight as well, you know what you want to use.

01:27:39.000 Like with him, I was going to... 0.98

01:27:41.000 I was going to throw some spinning shit at some point, but I did. 0.99

01:27:44.000 Nick Diaz has changed what spinning shit is by saying that, oh, we're throwing spinning shit now. 0.99

01:27:49.000 I met him. 0.99

01:27:50.000 I met him.

01:27:51.000 What's his name?

01:27:52.000 It was after I saw Dana and him.

01:27:53.000 So I was walking around with Tony.

01:27:55.000 Shout out to Tony Angelov.

01:27:56.000 And then I see Jay Silva, who's the guy who used to fight.

01:27:59.000 He's a thick boy.

01:28:01.000 He fights, I think, out of Ruka.

01:28:03.000 And he just kind of recognized, hey, what's up?

01:28:05.000 And then he got me into the club.

01:28:06.000 And then, yeah, Nick Diaz showed up.

01:28:09.000 I said, hey, what's up?

01:28:09.000 How are you?

01:28:09.000 And I just shook his hand and that was it.

01:28:11.000 And yeah, he's a legend in the game.

01:28:14.000 Cool guy.

01:28:14.000 He is a legend.

01:28:15.000 He's still fighting. 0.95

01:28:16.000 Well, he's doing whatever the fuck Nick Diaz wants to do right now. 0.97

01:28:19.000 I just see him in Las Vegas all the time. 0.94

01:28:20.000 I think he's only going to fight for a...

01:28:22.000 I think this is...

01:28:23.000 I'm going to go out on a limb here.

01:28:25.000 I think the lack of the UFC talking Nick Diaz into a fight... 0.98

01:28:29.000 I know he's crazy and he knows he's crazy too. 0.95

01:28:31.000 That is a criminal, criminal underuse of a valued asset. 0.85

01:28:36.000 I think if you wanted to have a giant pay-per-view right now...

01:28:38.000 He's a big star. 1.00

01:28:39.000 Fuck, he's a huge star. 1.00

01:28:40.000 So is his brother. 1.00

01:28:41.000 But they haven't fought in forever.

01:28:43.000 Nate hasn't fought since he lost to Conor in the very close rematch.

01:28:47.000 I think he's only coming back for the big money fight.

01:28:48.000 Well, probably.

01:28:49.000 He made a ton of money, and he doesn't live a crazy lifestyle.

01:28:52.000 And I believe Nate just got a kid.

01:28:54.000 Real?

01:28:54.000 Yeah.

01:28:54.000 I think I read that on Google.

01:28:57.000 See if that's true.

01:28:58.000 Nate Diaz just had a child.

01:28:59.000 Either way, congratulations.

01:29:01.000 Yeah.

01:29:01.000 Salute.

01:29:02.000 Either congratulations you had a kid, or congratulations that you didn't.

01:29:08.000 I love that dude, though.

01:29:09.000 I love Nate and I love Nick, too.

01:29:10.000 I love the style, the way they fought.

01:29:12.000 They're fun.

01:29:12.000 I remember that Paul Daly fight.

01:29:13.000 I watched it live, bro.

01:29:15.000 Yeah, man.

01:29:15.000 I don't think I sat down for that fight.

01:29:16.000 You were there live?

01:29:17.000 No, no, no.

01:29:18.000 I was on the couch while I was standing up on the couch.

01:29:20.000 That was a crazy fight. 1.00

01:29:21.000 Shit. 1.00

01:29:21.000 He got clipped, too. 1.00

01:29:22.000 He's one of the rare people that's got clipped by Paul Daly and survived.

01:29:25.000 Yeah, come back and then knock them out. 0.78

01:29:27.000 See the way Paul fell back as well? 1.00

01:29:28.000 Damn. 1.00

01:29:29.000 The stanky leg. 1.00

01:29:29.000 It's almost like his legs just gave out. 1.00

01:29:31.000 He's exhausted.

01:29:32.000 Yeah, that's what it is.

01:29:33.000 Exhaustion.

01:29:33.000 I keep saying it's easier to knock someone out when they're tired.

01:29:36.000 Yeah.

01:29:36.000 Like that fight.

01:29:37.000 What's that?

01:29:38.000 Brad had good cardio.

01:29:39.000 He was able to take it.

01:29:40.000 And I was finding it. 0.99

01:29:41.000 There was one I hit him with a body shot. 0.58

01:29:42.000 I think a body kick.

01:29:44.000 And yeah, he went for a takedown straight away.

01:29:45.000 I pushed him off, framed him, got him against the face or something.

01:29:48.000 But...

01:29:50.000 Yeah, it's easy to get...

01:29:51.000 Like, some of these guys, you can see, he never gave me that sign, like, I'm ready to go.

01:29:54.000 Like, when they're ready to go, like, I want out.

01:29:56.000 They'll tell you.

01:29:57.000 One of the most overwhelming performances of Nick's career was against Frank Shamrock.

01:30:01.000 Frank Shamrock.

01:30:01.000 Oh, dude.

01:30:01.000 That was when I was like, whoa.

01:30:03.000 Just body shot.

01:30:04.000 He put his head on his chest and just... 0.99

01:30:06.000 It was also talking shit to him, and Frank was like, really? 1.00

01:30:10.000 You're talking shit to me? 1.00

01:30:11.000 Yeah, I saw that interview. 1.00

01:30:12.000 He was like, yeah, I couldn't believe it.

01:30:14.000 It's like...

01:30:16.000 Ah!

01:30:17.000 No, but honestly, like that pace, even like my first fight, it's sort of Diaz-esque in a way where it's like I didn't do it when I knew he was ready to go.

01:30:25.000 I just put a steady pace.

01:30:27.000 Just put your foot on gas a little bit, but not gas it out.

01:30:29.000 Right.

01:30:29.000 Just pop, pop, pop, pop, find the shot, find the shot, find the shot.

01:30:33.000 There's no need to like, it's wasted energy.

01:30:35.000 Well, you've got a wise approach to your overall MMA game, but in particular to your striking game.

01:30:42.000 You're one of those guys that's showing people that you can be very exciting, but take minimal.

01:30:47.000 There was a couple moments in that fight where Brad was charging at you, where you're like, hup, hup, hup, here we go, and we're out the other side.

01:30:54.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:30:55.000 And take the center.

01:30:56.000 People don't take the center, man.

01:30:57.000 Almost as exciting as watching someone get knocked down.

01:30:59.000 I like watching someone figure out that, like, the right hand's coming, the left hand's coming behind it.

01:31:04.000 I'm not there.

01:31:04.000 Here I am.

01:31:05.000 It would have been a clean sweep if one judge didn't give one round to him. 0.65

01:31:09.000 But I don't know which round he gave, because I thought I had all five rounds after watching it.

01:31:13.000 So it was like 50-45, 50-45, and then 49-46.

01:31:18.000 And I was like, damn, that would have been cool if it was just like a 50-45 clean sweep. 0.76

01:31:21.000 Well, the most important thing was not a judge's interpretation of it. 0.97

01:31:26.000 It was the actual performance.

01:31:27.000 Yeah, and people enjoyed it.

01:31:28.000 Some people, they get caught up in knockouts a lot, like, oh, he didn't finish Brad, though.

01:31:32.000 But a lot of people, the response was, I'd rather see that than just a quick finish, because he worked the guy.

01:31:38.000 He didn't get gassed.

01:31:40.000 I didn't dip.

01:31:41.000 Maybe the third round I might have dipped a little bit, but I didn't look it.

01:31:44.000 I had my poker face on.

01:31:45.000 I was fine.

01:31:45.000 I felt fresh.

01:31:46.000 And I even said after my last fight before that, I was based on a three-round camp.

01:31:50.000 The one I fought in Arizona, it was based on a three-round camp.

01:31:53.000 And I looked in the camera, I was like, I can go five rounds.

01:31:55.000 I told Eugene, my coach, I was like, man, I feel like I can go another two rounds easily.

01:31:58.000 And this camp was based around five rounds.

01:32:00.000 So after this fight, honestly, I had the reserve ready.

01:32:03.000 I was like, maybe three rounds I could have gone if I needed to.

01:32:06.000 Do you ever anticipate a time where people would have more than five rounds in an MMA fight?

01:32:12.000 Probably not anymore.

01:32:13.000 Most of the time it's totally unnecessary.

01:32:15.000 Yeah.

01:32:15.000 I thought it was too long.

01:32:16.000 I was like, I'm gonna get this guy in like three rounds.

01:32:18.000 I thought so.

01:32:19.000 I felt so.

01:32:20.000 I was like, I don't know.

01:32:22.000 Maybe that's just me bigging up myself, you know, my own ego.

01:32:25.000 But yeah, I just felt like I would have taken him in two or three rounds.

01:32:29.000 But five rounds and I still look good doing it.

01:32:31.000 So I was happy with it.

01:32:33.000 Now, when you see a guy like Paulo Costa, who has like this just...

01:32:37.000 I mean, he's not totally hittable, where like everything you throw, you're going to hit him, but he's much more aggressive, much more in your face.

01:32:44.000 You see these?

01:32:45.000 What?

01:32:45.000 Short arms?

01:32:46.000 I was stood next to him.

01:32:47.000 He iced me.

01:32:48.000 He's trying to act like he doesn't know who I am.

01:32:50.000 And I saw interviews, like, oh, I do not know that guy. 0.99

01:32:52.000 I was like, dude, you know who the fuck I am now? 0.95

01:32:58.000 And I said that after my first fight because these guys want to pretend. 0.99

01:33:00.000 And I don't know where it comes from.

01:33:03.000 Maybe because of years of not getting noticed.

01:33:05.000 So I'm like, don't try and act like...

01:33:06.000 Because a lot of guys, they'll creep on my Instagram and then see me in real life and act all high and mighty.

01:33:11.000 And I'm a nice guy.

01:33:12.000 I like to be friendly.

01:33:13.000 I like to hug people.

01:33:14.000 Say what's up.

01:33:15.000 At least just nod like, hey, what's up?

01:33:17.000 I know who you are.

01:33:18.000 You know who I am.

01:33:18.000 But some people flex too much.

01:33:20.000 So for him, yeah, he knows who I am.

01:33:22.000 And his manager, what's his name? 0.99

01:33:24.000 The fucking Gremlin. 1.00

01:33:25.000 Cameron, I don't know. 1.00

01:33:26.000 What's your name? 0.99

01:33:26.000 No, he looks like fucking Ariel. 0.99

01:33:28.000 Was it Ariel? 0.99

01:33:28.000 He looks like... 0.99

01:33:29.000 Oh, Waleed Ishmael.

01:33:31.000 You know Undertaker's guy?

01:33:32.000 Do you know who he is?

01:33:32.000 Waleed is a mixed martial arts legend.

01:33:35.000 He fights.

01:33:35.000 Dude, he fought in UFC 12. Really?

01:33:38.000 Yeah.

01:33:39.000 He fought Takahashi?

01:33:41.000 Is that who he fought?

01:33:42.000 Maybe it was 13. UFC 12 or 13. Dude, he choked out Hoist Gracie in a jiu-jitsu match in Rio.

01:33:48.000 When Hoist Gracie had just won all the UFCs and he was a fucking man... 0.99

01:33:51.000 Put him in real jiu-jitsu. 0.98

01:33:53.000 Waleed Ishmael, who was a Carlson Gracie black belt, watch this. 0.98

01:33:56.000 He got a hold of Hoist, and this was in Brazil in a giant fucking audience. 0.97

01:34:01.000 It was in a soccer stadium, I think. 0.99

01:34:04.000 It was a big-ass audience. 0.65

01:34:06.000 That's crazy. 0.90

01:34:06.000 And they wound up going to the ground, scoot ahead. 0.90

01:34:08.000 I had no idea.

01:34:09.000 And Waleed got him in a clock choke.

01:34:10.000 And I remember this because at the time, yeah, at the time, I was like, maybe a blue belt.

01:34:18.000 And I tapped a guy with a clock choke. 1.00

01:34:20.000 And I was like, clock chokes on this shit! 1.00

01:34:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:34:22.000 And he...

01:34:23.000 I remember those with the gi.

01:34:24.000 Clock chokes.

01:34:26.000 I tried it a little bit.

01:34:29.000 I can do it when it's not sweaty, but I'm with my arms because I got long arms.

01:34:32.000 So I can kind of get it a little bit if I tweak it right.

01:34:35.000 And Waleed had that constant... 0.89

01:34:38.000 Waleedji, they used to call him. 0.88

01:34:39.000 He had that constant pressure, Carlson-Gracy top game, crushing, you know, where you're going to shit out bone fragments after you roll with them. 0.92

01:34:46.000 That was their style, man. 0.69

01:34:48.000 Scoot ahead a little bit and you see Waleed gets that clock choke. 0.85

01:34:51.000 You can tell he's the guy That's like talking for Paul.

01:34:54.000 Right here.

01:34:54.000 He got it here.

01:34:55.000 And he wound up putting Hoist to sleep.

01:34:57.000 Hoist didn't even tap.

01:34:58.000 Yo, he's out.

01:34:59.000 Went out like a warrior.

01:35:00.000 Yep.

01:35:01.000 Look at that. 1.00

01:35:01.000 Look at that fucking pressure. 1.00

01:35:03.000 Look at everybody running onto the mat. 1.00

01:35:04.000 You gotta let it go. 1.00

01:35:05.000 Fuck, that was a little bit too long. 1.00

01:35:06.000 Well, he didn't know. 1.00

01:35:07.000 He was on the outside.

01:35:08.000 The referee should have known.

01:35:09.000 I saw it was out.

01:35:10.000 It was limp.

01:35:11.000 No, you're right. 1.00

01:35:12.000 Shit. 1.00

01:35:13.000 But this was... 1.00

01:35:14.000 See, there was Carlson back then.

01:35:15.000 This was when there was a bit of a rivalry between Carlson Gracie and, you know... 1.00

01:35:20.000 Yeah, I heard about that.

01:35:21.000 Yeah, I mean, Hickson and Hoyce and Hoyler.

01:35:24.000 There was a bit of a rivalry.

01:35:26.000 It was out. 0.95

01:35:27.000 He was a beast, man.

01:35:28.000 So that little guy...

01:35:29.000 So he's just managing now.

01:35:29.000 He's managing now.

01:35:30.000 He's taking care of fighters and stuff like that, but he's a real legend.

01:35:33.000 Yeah.

01:35:33.000 Waleed's a beast.

01:35:34.000 Oh, his spec, his spec.

01:35:35.000 Yeah.

01:35:35.000 But like, for real, he's the guy that I think talks for Paula a lot, because...

01:35:40.000 Yeah.

01:35:42.000 Paula's... 0.92

01:35:42.000 I respect him trying to learn English as well. 0.92

01:35:44.000 That's one of the reasons I was like, I really want Uriah Hall to win, because he was talking all this shit. 0.99

01:35:48.000 Right. 0.98

01:35:48.000 And if he wins, I want to see him. 0.98

01:35:50.000 And the build-up for that fight would be fun, because I will fuck him up. 0.99

01:35:53.000 You felt like there was holes in Uriah's game. 0.99

01:35:56.000 Yeah.

01:35:57.000 In his game as well.

01:35:58.000 Yeah, in Paul's game as well.

01:36:00.000 There's holes in his game.

01:36:01.000 What did you see in Paulo?

01:36:02.000 Can you say?

01:36:03.000 Paulo, he gets hit.

01:36:04.000 Easily.

01:36:05.000 And you know how Uriah was tapping him with the jab?

01:36:08.000 If I was behind those jabs, it'd be different setups.

01:36:11.000 It'd be a different setup.

01:36:12.000 I can come up with...

01:36:14.000 Few other pathways after that jab.

01:36:16.000 Like Uriah was hitting the jab, but that's it.

01:36:17.000 He hit the jab. 0.60

01:36:18.000 And his chin's up.

01:36:19.000 He'll hit the jab.

01:36:19.000 And what do you do after the jab?

01:36:21.000 After you land it seven times, you've got to do something else with it.

01:36:23.000 You can't just keep jabbing him, jabbing him.

01:36:25.000 Well, it seemed like Costa had extreme confidence in his ability to knock out Uriah.

01:36:29.000 He didn't respect his jab.

01:36:30.000 He will respect my jab.

01:36:32.000 Like, look at my knuckle.

01:36:33.000 So this is my moose knuckle.

01:36:34.000 This is my regular knuckle.

01:36:35.000 Moose knuckle.

01:36:38.000 That thing's been worn, son.

01:36:40.000 No, that's from, what's his name?

01:36:41.000 It got a little bit more swollen because of Brad Tavares.

01:36:45.000 This is my regular knuckle.

01:36:46.000 And, like, I was jabbing him at first.

01:36:48.000 Is that swollen right now from the fight?

01:36:50.000 A little bit, but normally it's just forever.

01:36:52.000 That's a rock, son.

01:36:53.000 That's a triple knuckle. 0.99

01:36:55.000 That ain't even a double knuckle.

01:36:56.000 That's a triple knuckle. 0.99

01:36:57.000 It's a moose knuckle.

01:36:58.000 Ouchy, wah-wah. 0.99

01:36:59.000 Yeah, but with Brett, in the beginning, my jab, he was slipping it.

01:37:03.000 And I was like, all right, and then you just said, drop it down.

01:37:05.000 And at one point, he tried to counter it like Tyrone Sprung.

01:37:07.000 Slipped the jab and counter.

01:37:09.000 But I recognized it.

01:37:11.000 I was like, okay, cool.

01:37:12.000 Drop it down. 0.98

01:37:13.000 And I hit him.

01:37:14.000 I think I went down to the legs, and I took away a tension from the top.

01:37:17.000 Then I was able to go back to the jab, and I busted him off the jab. 0.95

01:37:20.000 Now, when you're training, do you spend time to work on traditional moves like wheel kicks and side kicks and all that shit that you throw occasionally?

01:37:29.000 Or do you throw them into your overall pad work game?

01:37:33.000 The pad work, Eugene, he has his own system.

01:37:37.000 Everyone's different.

01:37:39.000 Treats every fighter as an individual.

01:37:41.000 You know what I mean?

01:37:42.000 So he knows what me, what he can do on the pads and what I like to pull.

01:37:45.000 And if I have an idea like, oh, try this out.

01:37:48.000 He's open.

01:37:48.000 He's not like...

01:37:50.000 He's very open, man.

01:37:51.000 He doesn't understand.

01:37:52.000 He doesn't try and limit you from what you can do or what you can create.

01:37:56.000 So all the spinning stuff, all the creativity, the things that I kind of bring myself, I try just...

01:38:01.000 2 a.m.

01:38:02.000 just walking around my house, shadow walking sometimes, you know, just in my own free time.

01:38:07.000 I just think about certain things, like how can I... Do this different.

01:38:11.000 Even someone like Chad Mendes, there's something he does, like he fakes the shot in uppercut.

01:38:15.000 I like that.

01:38:16.000 We're completely different body types, but I like that.

01:38:18.000 And I have my own setups for that.

01:38:20.000 Just because I feel like it's a good move, but with different body types.

01:38:24.000 And he has his own setups.

01:38:25.000 So I like to create on my own.

01:38:26.000 And then if I have any ideas or anything that I feel I can work well with the pads or with our flow, I'll let him know.

01:38:33.000 And he's open to it.

01:38:34.000 Well, you're one of these guys that's coming up right now that's in this new wave of MMA fighters.

01:38:40.000 It seems to me that there's an incremental increase in the skill level.

01:38:45.000 There's always all-time greats like Cain Velasquez and fill-in-the-blank.

01:38:49.000 There's Anderson Silva.

01:38:50.000 There's these guys that burst out and they stand out.

01:38:54.000 Yeah.

01:38:54.000 As extreme performers.

01:38:56.000 Yeah.

01:38:56.000 But there seems to me, like right now, to be a new, Zabit Magomed Sharapov, that guy, there's a few of these guys that are coming up where you watch them, you go, whoa, there's some next level.

01:39:08.000 You recognize, like a guy like me who's seen it for so many years, I go, okay, there's some next level shit going on right now. 0.96

01:39:13.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:39:14.000 It's like we're talking about Lomachenko. 1.00

01:39:17.000 Lomachenko's footwork and movement, okay, this is next level shit. 0.99

01:39:20.000 I've seen a lot. 0.97

01:39:21.000 I mean, I'm sure there's been some all-time greats when you go to guys like Pernell Whitaker and guys like Floyd Mayweather, you know, artistic geniuses.

01:39:30.000 But there's something that Lomachenko's doing that they're not doing.

01:39:32.000 Yeah.

01:39:32.000 Right?

01:39:33.000 100%.

01:39:33.000 Even some things, I watch his footwork.

01:39:36.000 I watch the way he looks.

01:39:38.000 And you see my fight as well.

01:39:39.000 I like to look at guys.

01:39:40.000 I don't just close my eyes and hope.

01:39:42.000 Throw in hope.

01:39:43.000 I don't throw in hope.

01:39:43.000 I aim and fire.

01:39:44.000 That's one of my quotes.

01:39:45.000 I say that.

01:39:45.000 But he does the same thing.

01:39:47.000 He likes to look.

01:39:48.000 And he's aware of where he is.

01:39:49.000 He's data crunching.

01:39:50.000 Yeah.

01:39:51.000 100%.

01:39:51.000 He's chunking.

01:39:52.000 He's chunking all that information.

01:39:53.000 Physically.

01:39:54.000 Muscle memory.

01:39:55.000 Like I say, he's a dancer.

01:39:56.000 He learned four years of ballet.

01:39:58.000 All that stuff.

01:39:59.000 Rhythm.

01:39:59.000 Timing.

01:40:00.000 Offbeat.

01:40:01.000 Onbeat.

01:40:02.000 It all translates well into fighting, like, easily.

01:40:06.000 Yeah, it really does.

01:40:07.000 And it's so fascinating to me.

01:40:09.000 And watching all these, like, new versions of different styles.

01:40:13.000 Like, Khabib, in my opinion, is a new version of the ground-and-pound style. 1.00

01:40:17.000 Like, I watch his ground-and-pound, I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ. 0.99

01:40:21.000 Like, he's such a... 0.98

01:40:22.000 Like, when he fought Michael Johnson, there's no Justin Gagey fight there, son.

01:40:25.000 This is a mauling. 0.99

01:40:26.000 This is a goddamn mauling. 1.00

01:40:28.000 He's getting mauled by some crazy alien from another planet. 1.00

01:40:31.000 I like the way he traps the hands, and I had one on Brad as well, a little bit, but I think he recognized it and he tried to go away.

01:40:36.000 This is when I had his back for a brief moment in that fight, probably about a good 30 seconds, and I trapped his hand.

01:40:41.000 I learned that from BJJ Scout.

01:40:43.000 It was on a Ben Askren video, but Brad wouldn't let me have his right hand. 0.99

01:40:47.000 But I got it, though, because I got these fucking monkey fingers. 0.99

01:40:51.000 I can grip really well, so I hold it. 0.99

01:40:53.000 And I peppered him a little bit.

01:40:55.000 And then that's when I kind of got to the fence and something happened.

01:40:57.000 Got a Kimura.

01:40:58.000 But I picked from everyone.

01:41:00.000 Khabib.

01:41:00.000 There's a way he traps the hands.

01:41:02.000 We call that the Khabib. 1.00

01:41:03.000 When I get to my training partner, I start talking like, you will never get this.

01:41:07.000 I want this title shot.

01:41:09.000 I just kind of mimic guys like that just because they're good at what they do.

01:41:13.000 And if I can get it and make it work for me like Bruce Lee, make it my own.

01:41:17.000 I'm really intrigued.

01:41:19.000 I mean, I was really bummed out that Max Holloway had to pull out of that fight.

01:41:22.000 I'm glad Michael Bispin called him out on that, though, man.

01:41:25.000 Because I think most other people would have just kind of like, oh, well, good luck.

01:41:28.000 But he called him out on TV like, bro, you look like you just woke up.

01:41:31.000 And you can tell.

01:41:31.000 Yeah, he recognized something.

01:41:33.000 When I watched the interview, because I heard about it before I watched the interview.

01:41:35.000 And I was like, oh, obviously.

01:41:37.000 Look at him.

01:41:38.000 He's just like, you know, I feel great.

01:41:40.000 Blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:41:41.000 Something's wrong.

01:41:42.000 Yeah.

01:41:42.000 Facts, yeah.

01:41:43.000 And he would have fought.

01:41:44.000 He would have rehydrated and fought, maybe not to the best of his ability, but...

01:41:48.000 Well, he might have got knocked out.

01:41:49.000 He might have got hit with a punch and got knocked out.

01:41:51.000 Ortega's no joke. 0.88

01:41:52.000 No joke.

01:41:53.000 And you don't want to come up against a guy like that and be slack.

01:41:56.000 He should go to lightweight, I think.

01:41:58.000 Ortega's fascinating to me because the way he locks up submissions is so next level.

01:42:04.000 I love it.

01:42:04.000 Long range.

01:42:05.000 I like his chokes.

01:42:06.000 Not just that.

01:42:07.000 The technique is so sharp, man. 1.00

01:42:08.000 When he dives on shit. 1.00

01:42:10.000 When he got Cub in that... 1.00

01:42:11.000 He got him in a darse at the end of the first round. 1.00

01:42:14.000 I was like, what the fuck, man? 1.00

01:42:15.000 That is tight. 1.00

01:42:16.000 But there was something about the finality to it.

01:42:19.000 There was like, this is not a question of whether or not he's going to finish it.

01:42:22.000 Well, it was not that.

01:42:24.000 It was the solidity of the technique.

01:42:27.000 It was like when he locked it in, there was no doubt this fight was over and then the bell rang.

01:42:33.000 And then I was like, whoa.

01:42:34.000 This wasn't slippery.

01:42:36.000 This wasn't like maybe he's going to get out.

01:42:38.000 You know how a guy gets a guillotine and he's like, he's getting out, he's going to get out.

01:42:42.000 This wasn't that.

01:42:43.000 This was death.

01:42:44.000 Okay. 0.94

01:42:45.000 And then he got him with a guillotine. 0.68

01:42:46.000 He jumped on his guard. 0.84

01:42:47.000 He jumped and got him in a guillotine. 0.87

01:42:48.000 Looks beautiful. 0.71

01:42:49.000 That kind of stuff.

01:42:50.000 Like Ortega, I like the way he looks.

01:42:51.000 I look at guys like that because similar body types.

01:42:54.000 And lately, I've been catching that.

01:42:56.000 You see, in the fifth round, Give me another maybe seven seconds.

01:43:00.000 I would have squeezed that.

01:43:01.000 But it rang on the belt.

01:43:03.000 But every time someone goes for certain things, I can snatch the neck.

01:43:07.000 But the thing is, I don't have that the way Ortega has where he knows, like, okay, it's done.

01:43:11.000 Like, for me, I'm like, I think it's tight.

01:43:13.000 Let me try.

01:43:14.000 You know how it is, right?

01:43:15.000 If you tried to throw a jab hook with one hand and then throw it with the other hand, it just doesn't feel right with the other hand.

01:43:21.000 Yeah.

01:43:22.000 I'm bi-stantial.

01:43:24.000 I bet you are.

01:43:24.000 Bi-stantial?

01:43:27.000 But you know some people, like from my own personal experience, my left hand, I know how to do it with my left side.

01:43:32.000 But my right side, it feels like awkward.

01:43:34.000 But there's a squeeze that you develop.

01:43:36.000 Certain guys just get like this Marcelo Garcia style squeeze.

01:43:39.000 That's what he has.

01:43:40.000 And Ortega's got it.

01:43:40.000 I want that.

01:43:41.000 That's the thing.

01:43:41.000 You can get it.

01:43:42.000 For sure.

01:43:43.000 I can catch the neck.

01:43:44.000 But the thing is, when I catch it, I'm not dead set sure like, okay, it's over now.

01:43:48.000 Right, right, right.

01:43:49.000 If you don't tap, you're going to sleep.

01:43:51.000 But if you just tapped a certain amount of black belts with that, you would have that feeling.

01:43:55.000 Yeah, he does.

01:43:55.000 Yeah.

01:43:56.000 He's a beast, man. 0.99

01:43:57.000 He's a beast. 1.00

01:43:58.000 He's so fucking explosive on the ground. 1.00

01:44:01.000 He throws up triangles and arm bars. 0.99

01:44:03.000 I like his style.

01:44:03.000 I like his creativity as well.

01:44:05.000 Yeah.

01:44:05.000 He thinks outside the box.

01:44:07.000 Well, knocking out Frankie was giant and hitting him with an uppercut like that.

01:44:11.000 Yeah.

01:44:11.000 Whoa.

01:44:12.000 Out of nowhere.

01:44:13.000 It's just...

01:44:14.000 Frankie can take it, too.

01:44:15.000 I saw Frankie fight in Atlantic City after that.

01:44:18.000 A few weeks after.

01:44:20.000 Four weeks after, I think it was.

01:44:22.000 He fought Cub Swanson.

01:44:23.000 That's a dangerous fight to take after getting knocked out by Ortega.

01:44:26.000 What do you think about that?

01:44:27.000 About guys doing that?

01:44:28.000 Like getting stopped?

01:44:29.000 I agree.

01:44:29.000 Nah, same.

01:44:30.000 Take time off.

01:44:30.000 After that knockout in Brazil, I took about...

01:44:34.000 I fought again in July.

01:44:35.000 Were you totally unconscious in that fight?

01:44:37.000 Yeah.

01:44:38.000 Okay, so I remember this is what happened.

01:44:39.000 I woke up. 0.96

01:44:41.000 I was like, oh shit, okay, let me try and get up. 1.00

01:44:43.000 Fuck, my arms just felt like noodles. 1.00

01:44:45.000 I was like, alright, whatever. 1.00

01:44:46.000 And then this kid, this fucking little shithead, like a baby, came over and just like, I think he either yelled at my face or whatever, and I was like, whatever. 1.00

01:44:54.000 And then, because it's Brazil, they go crazy, like, holy shit, he knocked this guy out. 1.00

01:44:58.000 So where was the kid? 0.98

01:44:59.000 Like near you by the ring?

01:45:01.000 He came in the ring.

01:45:02.000 He came in the ring?

01:45:03.000 The referee had to like, yo, everyone, get order again.

01:45:06.000 It was chaos.

01:45:07.000 And this is while they were doing the count?

01:45:09.000 Yeah.

01:45:09.000 And then I was trying to get up.

01:45:10.000 I was trying to get up.

01:45:11.000 And then like, nah, I think it was just over after that.

01:45:14.000 Then I had, okay, cool, good fight.

01:45:16.000 Gave him a, what do you call it, fist pound.

01:45:19.000 And then the kid again came over next to me and just laid on the ground just like.

01:45:23.000 To mock you?

01:45:24.000 Yeah, I was just stomping his face. 0.97

01:45:26.000 How old was the kid?

01:45:27.000 Seven. 1.00

01:45:28.000 I don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:45:29.000 If you can crawl, we can brawl. 1.00

01:45:33.000 Shout out to Michael Blackson. 1.00

01:45:35.000 Oh shit, that's funny. 1.00

01:45:37.000 If you can crawl, we can brawl. 1.00

01:45:39.000 That is fucking hilarious. 0.99

01:45:41.000 Style better is ruthless. 0.99

01:45:43.000 No, but then, it was a dick move at the time. 0.97

01:45:46.000 Well, seven. 0.97

01:45:47.000 Yeah.

01:45:48.000 It was probably his kid, right?

01:45:50.000 Was that his kid?

01:45:50.000 I don't know.

01:45:51.000 He could have got it either way. 0.98

01:45:54.000 If your dad don't spank you, I'll spank you. 1.00

01:45:56.000 That's hilarious! 0.98

01:45:57.000 But then I remember, like, flashes as well, walking out.

01:46:00.000 We used into the stadium, then we walked outside.

01:46:02.000 We just sat there, and I was like, breathe.

01:46:05.000 I was like, what happened?

01:46:05.000 And he just told me what happened, and I was like, alright, okay.

01:46:08.000 And then, I remember back in the hotel, chilling, and then... 0.99

01:46:12.000 Yeah, I felt like, fuck, I'm okay. 0.98

01:46:16.000 This is the worst case scenario. 0.99

01:46:18.000 I'm okay.

01:46:19.000 And that was my first only ever knockout loss.

01:46:21.000 Knock on wood.

01:46:21.000 And I was just like, fine.

01:46:23.000 That's it.

01:46:23.000 And do you think you learned something in that fight about not giving in to your emotions?

01:46:27.000 I just don't let people, like people, you're the man. 1.00

01:46:30.000 You ain't shit. 1.00

01:46:31.000 Now I don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:46:33.000 I only give a fuck about those who I care about. 1.00

01:46:35.000 Someone like Ash or Eugene, my close people, if they say something about me that hurts me, then I'll give a fuck. 0.99

01:46:42.000 But if it's someone like, oh, bro, you're the man, this, that. 0.99

01:46:45.000 But you gotta blah, [...

01:46:48.000 Or be more this.

01:46:49.000 I'm like, cool.

01:46:50.000 I just smile and wave. 0.99

01:46:51.000 Because I don't give a fuck what they think. 0.99

01:46:52.000 They're no one to me. 0.99

01:46:53.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:46:54.000 After that fight, I shouldn't have given into people's opinions of myself.

01:46:59.000 I should have stayed true to me. 0.98

01:47:00.000 And just fucked him up in the second round. 0.99

01:47:02.000 I would have knocked him out if I just didn't. 0.99

01:47:03.000 Literally, just right hands.

01:47:04.000 Why am I only throwing right hands?

01:47:06.000 So you think that's like a critical lesson in your career?

01:47:09.000 Facts!

01:47:09.000 I'm glad it happened.

01:47:11.000 In the moment, in hindsight, it's like, oh fuck. 1.00

01:47:14.000 Sucks. 1.00

01:47:14.000 And I hate losing. 1.00

01:47:15.000 I fucking hate losing. 0.98

01:47:16.000 One thing, I went 40-0 before I had my first loss. 0.99

01:47:20.000 And that was to Simon Marcus.

01:47:21.000 Batty boy Simon Marcus. 0.99

01:47:23.000 And I beat him in that fight as well.

01:47:25.000 But another judge, all three rounds.

01:47:27.000 He's a beast.

01:47:28.000 I beat him all three rounds.

01:47:30.000 I believe you, but that's a big fight to win.

01:47:33.000 Yeah, extra round.

01:47:33.000 They made an extra round.

01:47:34.000 And that extra round still beat him, but then they gave it to him because he was a super side at the time. 0.99

01:47:38.000 And I realized, oh, shit, I lost. 0.99

01:47:41.000 Okay. 1.00

01:47:42.000 I lived my life, and that was it.

01:47:44.000 But I took winning for granted for so long in kickboxing because I was always expecting to win.

01:47:47.000 And after that, after a fight, okay, what's next?

01:47:50.000 Cool.

01:47:50.000 I watched the fight maybe twice, maybe even once.

01:47:53.000 Sometimes I only watched the fight, and then that's it.

01:47:54.000 What's next?

01:47:55.000 But this weekend, ever since I got to the UFC or just before, every single fight after I win, because my brain tries to go to that place where it's like, okay, what's next?

01:48:05.000 But I'm like, wait, stop.

01:48:06.000 Nigga, you just main evented in Vegas, your first fight, smoked this dude, all five rounds, and you're on top of the world right now. 0.99

01:48:14.000 Take this in.

01:48:15.000 That's why I'll sit down, look at the T-Mobile arena and just like, I might have been a little iry as well, just by myself in my room.

01:48:21.000 And then just get, like, you get objective. 0.99

01:48:22.000 And I sit down, I just like let it sink in like, yo, you're out here, you're doing the damn thing. 0.99

01:48:28.000 And really embrace it. 0.97

01:48:30.000 Eventually, when I go back home and I let things settle down and I move back into the floor of things, I'll start to get over it.

01:48:36.000 But one thing I forget, smell the roses.

01:48:38.000 Just stop sometimes and smell the roses.

01:48:40.000 And it's not cocky.

01:48:41.000 It's just appreciating what you've done because you've put a lot of work into this, you know?

01:48:45.000 Yeah.

01:48:46.000 That's a good attitude, man.

01:48:48.000 I mean, I think what you're doing in terms of your ability to reflect on yourself and to be real objective about your abilities and where you want to go.

01:48:55.000 I learned that from your podcast.

01:48:56.000 The one thing you said, because I don't have any big brothers, so I don't really have anyone sunning me, apart from Eugene. 0.99

01:49:01.000 But sometimes, when I first started listening, you used to tell, don't be a bitch. 0.99

01:49:06.000 You had this big rant one time. 0.99

01:49:08.000 If you want to do this and do that, follow your dreams. 1.00

01:49:12.000 Conquer your inner bitch. 1.00

01:49:13.000 Yeah, conquer your inner bitch. 1.00

01:49:14.000 Everybody has an inner bitch. 1.00

01:49:15.000 I know. 1.00

01:49:16.000 Tell me about it.

01:49:17.000 There's no way around it.

01:49:18.000 If you're a human... 1.00

01:49:18.000 I'm a bitch in the streets, man. 1.00

01:49:19.000 You got a little voice in there. 1.00

01:49:21.000 And I'm like, yeah.

01:49:23.000 Part of that was part of the fuel that helped me amongst a lot of other things.

01:49:27.000 I take inspiration from everything to help me get out of that.

01:49:30.000 I remember the day...

01:49:32.000 September 4th, 2013, I was just like, yep, I'm out.

01:49:34.000 And I never worked a day in my life again.

01:49:37.000 Beautiful.

01:49:38.000 Never again.

01:49:39.000 I couldn't do it.

01:49:40.000 You have talent, man.

01:49:41.000 You don't have to anymore.

01:49:42.000 You're working, but you're working at something you have a passion towards.

01:49:44.000 You're still working.

01:49:45.000 It doesn't feel like work.

01:49:46.000 That's what I mean.

01:49:47.000 I don't care.

01:49:48.000 If you work in the office, that's your thing.

01:49:49.000 And if you don't feel like you're working and you have a passion for what you're doing, just do that.

01:49:53.000 Right.

01:49:53.000 But then, like I said, some guys who are fighting and they don't, they just do it because it gets, like Brendan Sharp, he was doing it because he's great at it.

01:49:59.000 Right.

01:49:59.000 Pays the bills, but now look at him.

01:50:00.000 Comedian, podcast.

01:50:01.000 He recognized it though.

01:50:03.000 He's a wise guy in that.

01:50:04.000 Yeah.

01:50:04.000 He recognized there was this thing that he just, you go back to like his fight with Cro Cop or some of his earlier fights, he had a different attitude about fighting and then he realized he didn't have it anymore, but he was still getting paid well, so he didn't know how to jump out.

01:50:17.000 Exactly.

01:50:17.000 That's what I mean.

01:50:18.000 So if you're not enjoying, it doesn't matter what it is, just Offed out.

01:50:21.000 And he did.

01:50:22.000 You helped him though.

01:50:23.000 I listened to that.

01:50:24.000 I was cringing the whole time.

01:50:26.000 I had to.

01:50:26.000 I love that guy.

01:50:28.000 He's like a brother to me.

01:50:29.000 I tell my homies all the time.

01:50:30.000 He wasn't all there.

01:50:31.000 In terms of like, he wasn't all in.

01:50:33.000 Facts.

01:50:33.000 I tell my homies all the time because a lot of people like...

01:50:36.000 They don't know how to handle, like, not the new me, but the new lifestyle around me.

01:50:40.000 It's weird.

01:50:40.000 People get, they get, like, they become, like, groupies in a way.

01:50:44.000 What's spooky?

01:50:45.000 It's spooky, because you broke through the membrane into the neighboring dimension. 0.98

01:50:50.000 You know, like, Like, oh shit, Stylebender's on TV. I'm still me. 0.97

01:50:55.000 I get it.

01:50:56.000 I get it.

01:50:57.000 Yeah, of course. 0.99

01:50:57.000 But to people that know you and then all of a sudden see you on TV, that's a mindfuck, man. 0.99

01:51:01.000 I remember seeing my first friends get on TV when I was a comedian.

01:51:05.000 And watching them on TV going, whoa, a kid weirded me out.

01:51:09.000 I know that guy.

01:51:09.000 I know that guy and I see him on TV. Facts.

01:51:11.000 But for me, so the ones that are around me now, they're the ones that can check me.

01:51:14.000 They can handle it. 0.98

01:51:15.000 They can check me if I fuck up. 0.98

01:51:17.000 I'm not perfect. 0.92

01:51:18.000 I mean... 0.98

01:51:19.000 Everyone fucks up. 0.99

01:51:20.000 There's no such thing. 0.99

01:51:21.000 It doesn't exist.

01:51:22.000 If I do something and I'm in the wrong, they'll tell me, like, hey, you need to pull your head in.

01:51:26.000 You know what I mean?

01:51:27.000 So you need people like that.

01:51:29.000 I'm glad I have people like that now.

01:51:30.000 Well, having people like that and also having people like Dan Hooker in your camp, having people like all the other training partners that you were talking about, having great coaches, all those things have to be together.

01:51:41.000 It's like you have to have people that are honest, that are assessing you.

01:51:44.000 You have to have a good trainer who's looking at you, who knows you.

01:51:48.000 It's like you're a little off today, you're a little slow today, or today we're going to ramp it up.

01:51:51.000 I think you're hitting the next level.

01:51:53.000 We're going to add in some more different things.

01:51:55.000 Yeah.

01:51:55.000 Being able to adjust and adapt to each other.

01:51:59.000 Everyone's different individually, even with fighting the style.

01:52:01.000 So that's one thing I love about our staff at City Kickboxing is because they can look at someone and be like, cool, he needs to do this.

01:52:07.000 He needs to work on this better.

01:52:08.000 And it's beautiful.

01:52:10.000 Honestly, 20, 30 years from now, I keep telling my teammates, they're going to talk about We talk about them, but we don't realize it.

01:52:17.000 Like Majiro Jim, like when people talk about Ernesto Hu's Jim.

01:52:19.000 100%, Majiro.

01:52:20.000 I've met Manat, Andre Manat as well in China.

01:52:24.000 He's a kickboxing legend as well.

01:52:26.000 But yeah, one day I'll go out there and get some work done.

01:52:29.000 Probably at the end of the year.

01:52:31.000 Yeah, man.

01:52:31.000 I mean, mix it up.

01:52:33.000 Travel around.

01:52:34.000 I love New Zealand, don't get me wrong.

01:52:36.000 When I see the Sky Tower when I hit Auckland, I get excited like a little dog when it sees the park, you know what I mean?

01:52:40.000 I love being home, but it's good to get out there, get some work, and without ego.

01:52:46.000 Because one thing I realize now is if I go to a different gym, it'll be different now because, oh, he's that guy.

01:52:51.000 Right.

01:52:51.000 Sparring.

01:52:51.000 You might try to hurt you.

01:52:52.000 Exactly.

01:52:53.000 And, bro, we can play.

01:52:55.000 We can play, but I don't get paid for that.

01:52:57.000 That's the thing.

01:52:58.000 You're also in one of the most beautiful countries that's ever existed.

01:53:01.000 There's something about New Zealand, man.

01:53:02.000 I've never been personally, but there's a reason why they filmed The Hobbit there. 0.99

01:53:06.000 Because, like, you look at some of that shit and it looks magical. 0.99

01:53:09.000 Yeah, it is. 0.99

01:53:10.000 It feels good to be, like, I just love the vibe.

01:53:12.000 It's the vibe of New Zealand I like.

01:53:14.000 What is the vibe like?

01:53:15.000 It's chill.

01:53:16.000 Everyone's real loose.

01:53:17.000 Not like loose like Australia.

01:53:19.000 You can't get loose like that, but it's relaxed.

01:53:21.000 What's the difference between loose like Australia and loose like New Zealand? 0.99

01:53:24.000 All Australians are loose cunts. 1.00

01:53:27.000 What's the difference? 1.00

01:53:29.000 Bam Bam drinks out of a shoe.

01:53:31.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:53:32.000 They don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:53:33.000 Aussies, like, the attitude. 1.00

01:53:34.000 And they're cool as well. 0.98

01:53:35.000 It can be chill, but you can get some real loose cunts there.

01:53:37.000 Like in New Zealand, like in anywhere, like in America. 0.64

01:53:39.000 Right.

01:53:40.000 You know, but generically speaking, like, it's just, yeah, Australians, depends where you go.

01:53:46.000 Melbourne's my city.

01:53:47.000 That's my favorite city in Australia.

01:53:48.000 Melbourne, Perth, and then Adelaide.

01:53:50.000 Those are my favorite cities in that order.

01:53:53.000 But Yeah, I don't know.

01:53:54.000 I'll probably hit a few other spots as well.

01:53:56.000 See what the vibe is like.

01:53:58.000 Just keep moving around?

01:53:58.000 Yeah.

01:53:58.000 Now, what about American gyms?

01:54:00.000 How many different American gyms have you trained at besides Black Zillions? 1.00

01:54:03.000 Black Zillions. 1.00

01:54:05.000 Let me think.

01:54:06.000 I've trained with a few fighters, but maybe I've trained with...

01:54:11.000 Let me think.

01:54:12.000 Who else?

01:54:12.000 I think that's the only gym.

01:54:13.000 I didn't go to ATT. In LA, did I train?

01:54:18.000 Most of the times I'm here.

01:54:19.000 When I'm on holiday, I don't train.

01:54:20.000 I holiday out.

01:54:22.000 Good for you.

01:54:24.000 You got a good idea about balance, man.

01:54:29.000 Once in a while, you go too much this side, you have to find it, okay, go to the other side.

01:54:34.000 It never stays right in the middle for that, for a long period of time.

01:54:36.000 It's just like, okay, you lean this way, go this way, alright, and find the balance.

01:54:40.000 So just feeling and being honest with yourself.

01:54:42.000 Objectivity, I say, always check yourself, ACY, always check yourself, no matter what, how you're feeling.

01:54:47.000 If something gets me like maybe, If I see something that makes me feel that way, I get jealous.

01:54:52.000 I'm like, why do I feel that way?

01:54:53.000 Why am I hating?

01:54:54.000 It has nothing to do with me.

01:54:56.000 And I find out where it comes from. 0.99

01:54:58.000 And then eventually, it's like you identify the monster and then you slaughter it, you kill it. 1.00

01:55:01.000 Good for you, man. 1.00

01:55:02.000 Good for you.

01:55:03.000 I learn.

01:55:04.000 I'm coming up.

01:55:04.000 I'm learning.

01:55:05.000 You're a bad motherfucker. 1.00

01:55:06.000 Listen, man. 1.00

01:55:07.000 We're going to wrap this up.

01:55:08.000 Thank you, brother.

01:55:08.000 I'm glad we got a chance to do this.

01:55:10.000 Last minute.

01:55:10.000 Threw it in.

01:55:11.000 The first one.

01:55:12.000 That's right.

01:55:12.000 It's the first one.

01:55:13.000 We're going to do this some more.

01:55:14.000 I get more comfortable the way these go on.

01:55:16.000 Dude, you were great, man.

01:55:17.000 It was fun.

01:55:17.000 I appreciate it.

01:55:18.000 Thank you.

01:55:18.000 Stylebender on Twitter.

01:55:20.000 Stylebender on Instagram.

01:55:21.000 Everywhere.

01:55:22.000 Everywhere.

01:55:22.000 Catch me.

01:55:23.000 Slide on my DMs.

01:55:24.000 Everywhere.

01:55:24.000 Slide on my DMs.

01:55:27.000 Oh, man.

01:55:28.000 That was fun.

01:55:30.000 I knew that I saw something.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 10, 2018

JRE MMA Show #35 with Israel Adesanya

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