The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #85 with Max Holloway

00:00:00.000 Took yoga, hung out with my dog, and now we're here.

00:00:04.000 Alright, we're live.

00:00:05.000 What's up, Max?

00:00:05.000 How are you, brother?

00:00:06.000 Good to see you.

00:00:06.000 I'm good, yeah.

00:00:07.000 How you doing?

00:00:08.000 I'm good.

00:00:08.000 Finally here.

00:00:10.000 I've been asking you for about, I think, uh, what?

00:00:13.000 17?

00:00:14.000 17 fights straight.

00:00:15.000 What am I getting on those?

00:00:18.000 We tried to organize it a couple of times, but maybe you live on an island in the middle of the ocean.

00:00:23.000 I know.

00:00:23.000 It's a little, it's a different thing, you know, logistically.

00:00:26.000 I know, I know, but you finally made it happen.

00:00:30.000 Yes, we finally made it happen.

00:00:32.000 You're the man, I can't wait.

00:00:33.000 So how you doing, man?

00:00:34.000 Everything alright?

00:00:35.000 Everything good.

00:00:36.000 Walking good?

00:00:37.000 Walking great.

00:00:38.000 Yeah, you look totally fine.

00:00:40.000 Oh yeah, I told you guys, I was...

00:00:43.000 I had an apple party after the fight.

00:00:45.000 I was boogieing.

00:00:45.000 I was doing the power slide.

00:00:47.000 Yeah.

00:00:48.000 Chainsmokers, they were actually at Excess.

00:00:51.000 They had their concert thing at Excess.

00:00:54.000 They brought me up into their booth and I was trying to get him to let me jump on and off the stage with him because he looked like he was having fun.

00:01:04.000 That's amazing, man, because your left leg, it looked like, at least during the fight, it was getting busted up.

00:01:09.000 Yeah, yeah, you know, it's...

00:01:11.000 You're just used to it.

00:01:12.000 Yeah, it is what it is, you know?

00:01:14.000 I heard, I saw, I got to watch the fight a little bit over, you know?

00:01:17.000 And, you know, talking about the fight, a lot of people, actually about the press conference, when I said I thought I won, I think so people, people is taking it the wrong way.

00:01:27.000 A lot of his fans is taking it the wrong way.

00:01:29.000 It's like, when I was in there, in my mind, I thought I won because I, when you think about it, I thought I was landing more damaging shots to the head and body, you know?

00:01:38.000 I know leg kicks, he was landing here and there, but I didn't think it was too much until after I saw whatever happened, you know?

00:01:44.000 But at the end of the day, you know, it's like, it's what I said.

00:01:49.000 I just, my legs fell flat.

00:01:51.000 I went to the after party.

00:01:52.000 I danced.

00:01:52.000 And if I put it in this way, you know, out of all my title fights, this is the least damage I took in a title fight.

00:02:01.000 And I lost my belt, so...

00:02:03.000 To the face and to the body.

00:02:05.000 Yeah, to the face and to the body.

00:02:07.000 I know he was landing some leg kicks and some was power.

00:02:12.000 But then a bunch of other ones, I thought so.

00:02:15.000 I didn't know that it was landing that much to that extent.

00:02:20.000 Then again, this is not a street fight, you know?

00:02:23.000 It's not a street fight.

00:02:24.000 It's a game, and he helped win me in the game, so good for him.

00:02:28.000 Yeah, it's an interesting game when it comes to scoring, right?

00:02:32.000 Because what should be scored more?

00:02:33.000 Punches or leg kicks?

00:02:35.000 It's hard.

00:02:36.000 Leg kicks are damaging.

00:02:37.000 They mean a lot.

00:02:39.000 Fights have been stopped on leg kicks, but Barboza, I think, stopped two people with leg kicks.

00:02:48.000 I think the system sucks.

00:02:51.000 It's a boxing system.

00:02:52.000 It's not our system.

00:02:54.000 We shouldn't have that system.

00:02:55.000 We should have a more comprehensive system that recognizes everything.

00:02:59.000 Sometimes it's weird too.

00:03:01.000 Not technically my fight, but other fights.

00:03:04.000 You see people who stick and move nice and this and that.

00:03:07.000 Just because the guy is walking forward, he's winning the fight.

00:03:11.000 You see people get into scuffles, and then one guy bounce back, it looks like he's retreating, but he's actually not.

00:03:19.000 He landed more in the scuffle, and since he bounced back, they're like, oh, I think that guy that was staying there was actually winning the fight.

00:03:25.000 It's what you said.

00:03:28.000 Some guys favor a little bit more than another thing.

00:03:33.000 I think there's a real problem with judges not even being martial artists.

00:03:36.000 That's why...

00:03:37.000 That's a giant problem.

00:03:37.000 That's why Burt Watson say, don't be pitched at their judges.

00:03:41.000 But that's easier said than done.

00:03:43.000 It is.

00:03:43.000 Especially when you're fighting the best guys in the world, too.

00:03:46.000 You can't expose.

00:03:47.000 It's not smart.

00:03:48.000 It's not a smart way to fight.

00:03:49.000 The way you're fighting is the best way to fight.

00:03:51.000 But the judges should at least have some martial arts experience.

00:03:57.000 And I know there's a bunch of them that have never even fucking trained.

00:04:00.000 They just took some courses.

00:04:01.000 I was talking to some people that was behind the scenes.

00:04:07.000 They came from the DC event.

00:04:11.000 Some of the commission there at the DC event I heard was crazy.

00:04:16.000 Some people were just not like...

00:04:18.000 Didn't know anything?

00:04:19.000 Yeah, not supposed to be there.

00:04:20.000 I was like, what is going on?

00:04:22.000 To put it in perspective for people out there, it's like, it's all I do for a living.

00:04:27.000 It's all I do.

00:04:28.000 So to me, I got to put the trust in someone that doesn't know what they're doing when I'm over here sacrificing my time.

00:04:35.000 It's kind of hard.

00:04:35.000 I'm not talking about my fight again.

00:04:37.000 I'm just talking about other people.

00:04:39.000 Yeah, anytime there's a bad decision.

00:04:41.000 It's just tough, you know?

00:04:43.000 It's horrible.

00:04:43.000 It's horrible, and they don't do anything about it.

00:04:45.000 And there's people that have put in bad decision after bad decision, and then you see them still being listed as judges.

00:04:51.000 And you're like, this is crazy.

00:04:52.000 Like, I want to ask them questions.

00:04:54.000 I want to show them a video.

00:04:56.000 I heard that the last one was inside, right before I did my press conference and stuff.

00:05:01.000 I heard you go, who is judging this?

00:05:04.000 We need to fire everyone.

00:05:06.000 They do need to fire everyone.

00:05:07.000 You know what they should do, man?

00:05:09.000 They should hire ex-fighters.

00:05:10.000 They should.

00:05:11.000 They should.

00:05:12.000 I talked to Frank Trigg before he moved off of Hawaii.

00:05:17.000 And he was trying to become his ref.

00:05:21.000 He's reffing.

00:05:21.000 And now he finally got to Bellator.

00:05:23.000 I think he just did UFC for the first time a couple weeks ago, a couple months ago.

00:05:28.000 And I was telling them, like, why would they not just let you put in there?

00:05:31.000 They're like, oh, there's a time system.

00:05:33.000 You need to do this.

00:05:33.000 I was like, you, like, fought for a championship belt in the highest organization.

00:05:39.000 What?

00:05:40.000 Who in the right mind is being like, yeah, this guy's not qualified.

00:05:43.000 I would want you sitting or judging my fights.

00:05:46.000 You know what I mean?

00:05:47.000 100%.

00:05:48.000 Like, just because someone, okay, maybe they did take a class, but it's like, it's like license, you know?

00:05:52.000 Just because you pass your license test doesn't mean you should be allowed to drive on the road, you know?

00:05:58.000 Well, you know what it's like?

00:05:58.000 It's like passing a written test, but never having driven a car.

00:06:02.000 Exactly!

00:06:02.000 That's what it's like.

00:06:02.000 like here's your driver's license you don't even know how to fucking hit the gas you don't know how much brake you should apply when you you see some of these people that are judging you can you know they've never done anything they've never done they don't they don't have any idea what's going on they just have a cursory understanding of fighting and that's not acceptable for the highest level of the game yeah there's so many x fighters that would make amazing referees or judges and there's so well i don't have much of a problem with referees there's a lot of great referees but there's so many people that could be great judges

00:06:32.000 there's so many super fans out there that have been training their whole life that just they're really really into the sport a lot of these fans these these uh judges rather not even fans yeah yeah They're just people that are doing it for a job.

00:06:45.000 They're getting a paycheck.

00:06:46.000 And then getting to watch the fights for free live.

00:06:51.000 Front row.

00:06:52.000 And they don't even care.

00:06:52.000 They're not even fans.

00:06:54.000 It's ridiculous.

00:06:55.000 It's crazy.

00:06:56.000 It's funny.

00:06:57.000 Like you said, the fans, I actually think of...

00:07:00.000 What is his name?

00:07:01.000 I'm brain farting right now.

00:07:03.000 Joe, the old matchmaker.

00:07:05.000 Joe Silva.

00:07:06.000 Joe Silva, yeah.

00:07:07.000 I actually think...

00:07:08.000 You ever heard his story of how he got to work for the UFC? Yes.

00:07:12.000 That's when you were saying they're a super fan.

00:07:13.000 He was one of the guys.

00:07:14.000 He was a super fan.

00:07:16.000 Hey, Joe Silva was the...

00:07:17.000 Guys, shout out to Joe Silva.

00:07:19.000 Shout out to Joe Silva.

00:07:20.000 He was the first...

00:07:21.000 Guy that actually shot his shot.

00:07:24.000 I heard his story.

00:07:25.000 He told me his story in person.

00:07:26.000 He wrote down.

00:07:27.000 He told me what he did.

00:07:28.000 He wrote a letter to UFC. This and that.

00:07:30.000 And what he think he should change.

00:07:32.000 This and that.

00:07:32.000 And then they called him up and be like, Hey, would you like to come up?

00:07:35.000 We like your ideas.

00:07:37.000 The dude got set up, you know?

00:07:39.000 Like, wow!

00:07:41.000 Joe Silva's the first shot shooter, guys.

00:07:44.000 Yeah, well, he's a legit fan.

00:07:45.000 I mean, still is to this day, you know?

00:07:47.000 He made enough money, he retired, he's a smart man.

00:07:49.000 He just said, fuck this, I'm out.

00:07:51.000 I don't want to work like this anymore.

00:07:53.000 Why?

00:07:53.000 You just got, you just, you was a part of the business when they got bought out, you might as well chill with your family, you know?

00:07:59.000 Yeah, he just decided to just lay back, build himself a nice house.

00:08:02.000 Even that, what his story does so mean, there's saying, oh yeah, you gotta move here, this and that.

00:08:08.000 He's like, nope, I can do it from home.

00:08:11.000 I was like, Joe, you are a boss.

00:08:13.000 Joseph is a boss.

00:08:15.000 When he started me, I was like, my gosh, Joe.

00:08:17.000 You're a boss.

00:08:18.000 It's a hard gig.

00:08:19.000 It's a hard gig setting up fights.

00:08:21.000 Well, MMA fights in particular because guys get injured so much more than in boxing.

00:08:26.000 That's one thing that I like talking to people or telling people.

00:08:30.000 They're like, oh, there's so difference with this and that and blah, blah, blah.

00:08:33.000 I'm like, guys.

00:08:36.000 Boxers, MLB, NBA, NFL, they have the set schedule.

00:08:42.000 They have a set schedule.

00:08:43.000 Like, I can sit down, LeBron can sit down before the year, right when they announced their first regular season, he know exactly where he's going to be the whole year.

00:08:52.000 Boxers do the same thing.

00:08:53.000 They know exactly, we're going to fight this month and this month.

00:08:56.000 They don't know the opponent's name, but after a fight, they already kind of know who they're fighting, you know?

00:09:00.000 MMA fighters, they're like, don't you know what's going on?

00:09:03.000 I was like, I have no clue.

00:09:04.000 Right.

00:09:05.000 Well, how about when you almost fought Khabib for the title on super short notice?

00:09:09.000 Yeah, on six days.

00:09:10.000 How much did you weigh when you were trying to get down to 55 and they stopped you?

00:09:14.000 When they stopped me?

00:09:15.000 What did you weigh when you started?

00:09:17.000 I was, when we got the call, when I got there, when I checked in, I was already, the day before weight check, I'll tell you what I was, the day of the weight cut.

00:09:26.000 I was 170. 170, the day of the weight cut.

00:09:29.000 The weight cut.

00:09:30.000 And I'm not going to tell you the exact number I was before they stopped me, but I was in reach.

00:09:36.000 I was right there.

00:09:37.000 Why did they stop you?

00:09:38.000 They came in the room.

00:09:39.000 They looked at me.

00:09:40.000 They said, yeah, you don't look good.

00:09:44.000 Yeah, we're cutting it.

00:09:45.000 I was like, what?

00:09:45.000 I was like, I feel good.

00:09:47.000 Let's do it.

00:09:48.000 You know, it was right there.

00:09:49.000 And then, uh, this is what they said, you know, and it is what it is.

00:09:52.000 They had a real problem with New York in the beginning, especially.

00:09:55.000 There's a lot of people that just weren't prepared for MMA. Yeah, I mean, I mean, like, I mean, the New York cards, period, don't have a lot of luck at all.

00:10:03.000 Every time you see Wentz, something happened.

00:10:05.000 And I told, and then I heard them, they're going back to Brooklyn or whatever.

00:10:09.000 Where is Tony fighting?

00:10:11.000 Tony and...

00:10:11.000 Brooklyn.

00:10:12.000 Why?

00:10:15.000 They had a Brooklyn card already scheduled, and that was a good fight, so they put it in there.

00:10:21.000 Yeah, I know.

00:10:22.000 God, you've got to keep Tony away from cables the day before the fight.

00:10:25.000 Tony, someone needs to just be around him all the time, just ready to catch him.

00:10:29.000 Just please.

00:10:30.000 This is the fifth fucking time they've scheduled this fight.

00:10:34.000 Hey, you know what they say, right?

00:10:36.000 Fifth time's a charm.

00:10:39.000 It's a great fight, though.

00:10:40.000 I love the fight.

00:10:41.000 I can't wait.

00:10:41.000 I'm excited.

00:10:42.000 I'm excited.

00:10:43.000 Stylistically, I think he's the best guy that Khabib's ever faced because he can fight off his back.

00:10:48.000 He's a guy that doesn't survive off his back.

00:10:50.000 He attacks off his back.

00:10:52.000 And he's a guy who just, he just, he throws a lot of weird things from weird places.

00:10:57.000 Like, it's just, it's hard.

00:11:00.000 Like, people don't understand it.

00:11:01.000 Like, it's very hard when you fight someone weird and awkward, even Spartan, because you try to get something and then he's just like, bang, hits you with an elbow.

00:11:08.000 But his head is like by the ground.

00:11:10.000 It's like, what are you doing, Tony?

00:11:12.000 You know, like, how did I get hit by an elbow?

00:11:15.000 I thought your head is over here.

00:11:16.000 He's the most unorthodox, high-level guy ever.

00:11:19.000 Yeah, he's good.

00:11:19.000 He's real good.

00:11:20.000 He's real good.

00:11:21.000 At his level, though, because I consider him a world championship caliber fighter.

00:11:25.000 For sure.

00:11:26.000 At his level, I don't know of anybody that's more unorthodox than him.

00:11:29.000 For sure.

00:11:30.000 His fucking cardio, man.

00:11:31.000 His cardio is crazy.

00:11:33.000 Off the chain.

00:11:33.000 Off the charts.

00:11:34.000 I've never seen anybody with cardio like that.

00:11:36.000 I don't know what the fuck it is.

00:11:37.000 Do you think that's genetic?

00:11:39.000 To some extent?

00:11:41.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:11:42.000 I think you gotta have it.

00:11:43.000 Everybody keeps telling me, oh, you gotta...

00:11:44.000 It's just like knockout power.

00:11:45.000 You can't build it, but some people just have it.

00:11:48.000 I was talking to my friends.

00:11:50.000 I got a little Japanese friend.

00:11:52.000 He's with me on my corner all the time.

00:11:54.000 My wrestling coach, he helped me out a lot.

00:11:57.000 And I tell him all the time, this dude is a little 125 pound.

00:12:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:12:02.000 115 pound guy.

00:12:03.000 Pretty much a little girl, I tell him all the time.

00:12:06.000 I'm like, you're a little girl.

00:12:08.000 But if anything, there was this one time we was out and about, and this guy was just acting crazy.

00:12:14.000 This is like a couple years back.

00:12:18.000 I was at the UFC, but we was at one of the UFC events.

00:12:21.000 I forget what event we was at.

00:12:23.000 But we was doing something.

00:12:24.000 It was a big thing, and...

00:12:26.000 I was at a party and then this one Asian dude is just like getting all crazy in people's faces like crazy drunk and blah blah getting in his face and I told this is how hard my friend punches I tell him I tell him guy I would crack him, but I'm scared I'm not going to put him to sleep.

00:12:43.000 I know if you punch him, he's going to go knock out.

00:12:46.000 So you go hit him.

00:12:47.000 And he wouldn't hit him, though.

00:12:48.000 He wouldn't hit him, but he punches so hard.

00:12:51.000 He's the smallest guy in our group.

00:12:53.000 Even one time, we was at home in Waikiki walking, and there's this drunk guy.

00:12:58.000 And there's five of us, and he's the smallest guy in the back.

00:13:02.000 And we're all walking in almost a line.

00:13:04.000 And this big guy, he slips everybody.

00:13:07.000 Little guy laughs, he bumps them.

00:13:09.000 Hard.

00:13:10.000 And I look at him, I'm like, what?

00:13:13.000 And then he goes to the little guy.

00:13:14.000 He turns to my friend and be like, what?

00:13:17.000 And my friend goes, what?

00:13:18.000 And then he's like, oh, okay, nothing.

00:13:21.000 And he walks away.

00:13:22.000 And then I told him, we was hanging with this new guy.

00:13:25.000 This guy was just hanging out with us.

00:13:27.000 I told him, that is the wrong guy to bump into.

00:13:29.000 Because out of everyone here, he probably one punch, knock you out.

00:13:32.000 He's the smallest guy.

00:13:34.000 This is it.

00:13:34.000 I think it's just genetics.

00:13:36.000 Punching power is definitely a genetic thing.

00:13:38.000 Look at Wilder.

00:13:39.000 Look at Deontay Wilder.

00:13:41.000 There's no way.

00:13:42.000 Genetics.

00:13:42.000 There's no way you can teach that kind of power.

00:13:44.000 200, what is it?

00:13:45.000 215. 215. And he's cracking.

00:13:48.000 Flatlining people.

00:13:49.000 On the forehead.

00:13:50.000 Yeah, but he's like killing people.

00:13:54.000 This is not guys who's getting flash KOs.

00:13:57.000 Wilder is different.

00:13:58.000 He could wake up.

00:13:59.000 You know what I mean?

00:14:00.000 But everybody else he hits, they're like...

00:14:02.000 They go flying.

00:14:04.000 Did you...

00:14:05.000 Did you not see that video they made of his last fight that the soul came out?

00:14:09.000 Yes.

00:14:10.000 But that's what it's like, man.

00:14:13.000 It is.

00:14:13.000 That's what it's like when he hit Ortiz on the fucking forehead, man.

00:14:16.000 You hit him on the forehead.

00:14:17.000 You hit him in the chin.

00:14:17.000 That's how you know you hit hard.

00:14:19.000 You just hit different.

00:14:20.000 Yeah, but he does it to everybody.

00:14:22.000 When you look at his record, he's got 40 knockouts in 42 fights.

00:14:27.000 One decision and one draw.

00:14:31.000 40 knockouts in 42 fights.

00:14:33.000 Fucking crazy!

00:14:34.000 And then when you look at it, he's huge.

00:14:37.000 He's ripped.

00:14:38.000 But he's skinny.

00:14:38.000 Yeah, but he's very thin.

00:14:39.000 You would be like, he's a skinny dude, you know?

00:14:42.000 Like, if you looked at Anthony Joshua...

00:14:44.000 You would think he would knock out people.

00:14:46.000 He would knock out everybody.

00:14:47.000 Especially before he fought Ruiz the first time.

00:14:49.000 He was super...

00:14:50.000 He got a little more lean after the first fight.

00:14:52.000 But yeah, he's big.

00:14:54.000 Do you remember Frank Bruno?

00:14:56.000 Frank Bruno.

00:14:57.000 Frank Bruno was a boxer from England.

00:14:59.000 That was like one of the biggest guys ever.

00:15:01.000 And Mike Tyson fucked him up.

00:15:02.000 He was this big, giant dude, though.

00:15:04.000 He was so big.

00:15:05.000 He built like a bodybuilder.

00:15:07.000 He thought he would just flatline people.

00:15:09.000 And Mike Tyson just smushed him.

00:15:11.000 See, Mike, genetics.

00:15:13.000 Yes, that's genetics.

00:15:13.000 We're talking about genetics.

00:15:15.000 Did you not see the video of Mike Tyson showing who, what, Nagano?

00:15:20.000 Yes.

00:15:20.000 How to slip.

00:15:21.000 I was like, guy.

00:15:23.000 In his 50s.

00:15:24.000 Come on, guy.

00:15:24.000 Why are you moving like this?

00:15:25.000 Teddy Atmos told me that when he was 13 years old, Tyson weighed 190 pounds.

00:15:31.000 What?!

00:15:33.000 He brought him to smokers.

00:15:35.000 Yeah, it was true.

00:15:36.000 He brought him to smokers.

00:15:37.000 And they would go, how old is this kid?

00:15:39.000 He goes, 13. He goes, get the fuck out of here.

00:15:40.000 He's 16. And he's like, I'm telling you, he's 13. They would put him in with 16-year-olds because they wouldn't believe him.

00:15:45.000 They didn't believe he was 13. You sure they didn't do that from, what is that called?

00:15:50.000 What is that one movie?

00:15:51.000 That one movie, that baseball movie, Bench Warmer, is when he's like, I'm 13. Oh, right, right.

00:15:57.000 No, Tyson, it's real.

00:15:59.000 Yeah, man, genetics are real.

00:16:00.000 There's him with Nganu.

00:16:02.000 Look at that.

00:16:03.000 Watch this.

00:16:03.000 Watch this move.

00:16:04.000 He looks like such an elder statesman too, you know, with his beard.

00:16:08.000 Yeah.

00:16:10.000 Yeah, and then watch when he does his slip thing.

00:16:12.000 Where is his slip one?

00:16:13.000 Oh, I think that was a different one.

00:16:15.000 That was him.

00:16:17.000 Oh, here it is.

00:16:18.000 Here it is.

00:16:18.000 Bring it from the beginning.

00:16:19.000 Put it from the beginning, Jamie.

00:16:21.000 Whoop!

00:16:24.000 Whoop!

00:16:24.000 Yeah, he's showing them angles.

00:16:26.000 This guy is a beast.

00:16:27.000 Well, you know, Ngannou's thinking about fighting in boxing.

00:16:30.000 For real?

00:16:31.000 Yes.

00:16:31.000 And I think that's not a bad idea.

00:16:33.000 Because the boxing heavyweight division is very good at the very top.

00:16:38.000 There's like four or five really, really good guys.

00:16:40.000 But I think he could merc motherfuckers on the way up.

00:16:42.000 And he'd probably make a shitload of money.

00:16:45.000 Oh yeah, definitely.

00:16:46.000 100%.

00:16:46.000 Now that UFC is getting involved in boxing, I don't think it's a bad idea.

00:16:50.000 Yeah.

00:16:50.000 But he's got to get past Rosenstreich.

00:16:53.000 Rosenstreich's a scary fucking dude.

00:16:55.000 That thing he did to Alistair's lip, I've never seen a cut that bad before.

00:16:58.000 Oh yeah, that one with five seconds left?

00:17:00.000 Yeah.

00:17:01.000 Yeah.

00:17:01.000 Crazy.

00:17:02.000 That just shows you how nuts the sport is, right?

00:17:05.000 Alistair's winning the fight on points, he's scoring, he's fighting smart, and he just has a mental lapse.

00:17:12.000 Games are inches, seconds, millimeters.

00:17:15.000 You just cannot.

00:17:18.000 That's the hardest thing of being in a fight.

00:17:21.000 You just got to be on.

00:17:22.000 Sometimes it's like, boom!

00:17:26.000 Five seconds left.

00:17:27.000 Winning the whole fight on the scoreboard, he's winning.

00:17:29.000 He showed it.

00:17:30.000 How sick is that to watch after going that far, five seconds away from the final bell, And then you're going home with a fat cut.

00:17:39.000 You probably need like 400 stitches on that lip.

00:17:42.000 Your lip not going to ever look the same.

00:17:44.000 Look at that lip.

00:17:44.000 Look at that picture.

00:17:45.000 That is goddamn crazy.

00:17:48.000 That is, without a doubt, the nastiest fucking injury I've ever seen in this world.

00:17:52.000 I mean, I'd almost rather get a broken leg than that.

00:17:55.000 Oh, no, no.

00:17:56.000 Definitely not.

00:17:58.000 Like Anderson's broken leg.

00:18:00.000 Oh, no, no.

00:18:01.000 Look at that, though.

00:18:02.000 Look at me smiling.

00:18:03.000 That motherfucker...

00:18:04.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:18:05.000 Alistair takes a loss.

00:18:07.000 You take a loss better than anybody.

00:18:09.000 But Alistair is right up there.

00:18:11.000 It is what it is.

00:18:12.000 It's living.

00:18:13.000 It's life.

00:18:13.000 I love that saying though.

00:18:14.000 It is what it is.

00:18:15.000 Yeah, it is what it is.

00:18:16.000 It's life.

00:18:17.000 It is life, yeah.

00:18:18.000 Anyway, after the fight, we're walking around with me and my son the next day on Monday.

00:18:24.000 Oh, not the next day.

00:18:26.000 Oh yeah, it is the next day.

00:18:27.000 Sunday.

00:18:28.000 Sunday.

00:18:29.000 I'm walking into New York, New York.

00:18:30.000 There's a Hawaiian.

00:18:31.000 I love Hawaiians.

00:18:32.000 I love my Hawaiians.

00:18:33.000 They're the greatest fans in the world.

00:18:35.000 She comes up to me and she grabs my back and she's like, oh, I'm so sorry, boy, blah, blah.

00:18:40.000 I'm like, for what?

00:18:42.000 She's like, you lost your fight.

00:18:43.000 I'm like, Andy, I'm alive.

00:18:45.000 I didn't die.

00:18:46.000 It's okay.

00:18:47.000 You know, we're going to get the belt back.

00:18:48.000 It's just a fight.

00:18:49.000 It's one fight.

00:18:50.000 We'll be back.

00:18:50.000 But yeah, a lot of people talking to me like it's my funeral or something.

00:18:53.000 I'm like, guys, I'm okay.

00:18:55.000 I'm going to be back.

00:18:56.000 I didn't take no real damage.

00:18:57.000 I'm just happy that I'm not injured and out for a long time.

00:19:00.000 And I can get back to do what I love.

00:19:02.000 And that's punching people in the face.

00:19:05.000 At the end of the day, I'm happy.

00:19:07.000 Like I said, I didn't need the belt to be a champion.

00:19:09.000 I know I'm a champion.

00:19:11.000 The belt was just to let people know that, look, I'm one of the greatest guys to ever do it.

00:19:15.000 My plan is to be one of the greatest of all time.

00:19:18.000 And whoever you guys think it is, let me know.

00:19:22.000 I'll go knock on the front door right now and be like, hey, let's set something up.

00:19:26.000 Yeah, well, you just need to make some adjustments for a rematch.

00:19:30.000 Exactly.

00:19:31.000 The whole thing was him attacking your legs.

00:19:33.000 Yeah.

00:19:34.000 He was getting close.

00:19:35.000 It was a smart strategy.

00:19:36.000 Yeah.

00:19:37.000 It was real good.

00:19:37.000 Game of inches, you know?

00:19:38.000 Yeah.

00:19:39.000 He did what he did.

00:19:40.000 Like we said, it's not a street fight.

00:19:42.000 It's not a street fight.

00:19:43.000 He did the points.

00:19:44.000 He's nice.

00:19:45.000 You switch.

00:19:46.000 Better than anybody.

00:19:47.000 You're really good at switching while you're fighting.

00:19:50.000 You switch stances.

00:19:51.000 You switch orthodox.

00:19:52.000 But you were forced at certain times in the fight to fight southpaw because of the leg damage, right?

00:19:58.000 Not really because of leg damage because I just felt when I was going southpaw...

00:20:03.000 Against him, I just felt more like he was waiting a lot more.

00:20:07.000 As soon as I went regular, it was funny because I could hear his teammate's style bender.

00:20:13.000 I could hear his coach.

00:20:14.000 As soon as I go southpaw, they're not really seeing anything.

00:20:18.000 And as soon as I switch back to regular, I hear the word, Dragon!

00:20:21.000 Dragon!

00:20:22.000 And Dragon was leg kick.

00:20:23.000 I was like, oh, leg kick's coming.

00:20:25.000 Like a dragon tail?

00:20:27.000 I don't know what they were calling, but they were saying dragon and it was like a late kick.

00:20:30.000 So I could hear it in there and I was like, okay, well let's go southpaw and see what they started calling here.

00:20:34.000 And they wasn't really calling anything.

00:20:36.000 They were just like, you need to punch now or you need to move now and attack.

00:20:40.000 So I guess they wasn't really ready for a southpaw max more than a regular.

00:20:43.000 Because as soon as I went back regular, they were screaming dragon like it was religious or something.

00:20:48.000 So it was crazy.

00:20:49.000 It was crazy.

00:20:50.000 What did you think he was going to fight like?

00:20:52.000 What did you think his strategy was going to be coming into the fight?

00:20:55.000 You know, I thought so.

00:20:57.000 I thought so.

00:20:57.000 He was going to...

00:20:58.000 I knew he was going to do that.

00:20:59.000 A lot of feints, for sure.

00:21:00.000 You know?

00:21:01.000 I thought he was going to do, like, how he did Aldo.

00:21:03.000 Maybe a little bit more, get me against the fence.

00:21:05.000 But I think so.

00:21:06.000 He was kind of tripping out when he got me there and I was able to get off.

00:21:09.000 And some of them, I think so.

00:21:11.000 He was tripping out that he couldn't take...

00:21:13.000 Like, he was going to...

00:21:14.000 I thought so.

00:21:15.000 They was playing a narrative like they was going to take me down and ground upon me and stuff.

00:21:18.000 You know?

00:21:18.000 So, I don't know.

00:21:19.000 I don't know what we did.

00:21:20.000 I think so.

00:21:22.000 We did good and then he just did better in one aspect with the leg kicks and it all added up.

00:21:28.000 Yeah, I have to watch the fight again, but I don't remember him landing a real significant punch that had you hurt.

00:21:34.000 Nah, not really.

00:21:36.000 It was good punches, but his leg kick work was excellent though.

00:21:39.000 He did a lot of great work.

00:21:42.000 Some of the first ones, in the first round, some of the first ones was great, was good in the early rounds, but some of the other ones was just like, we were super close, and then he would just throw it.

00:21:54.000 We'd end up getting into a tango, and he would just end with a leg kick, just to even touch me.

00:22:00.000 At the end of the day, I was like, oh, I guess that was the game plan, was just to leg kick him.

00:22:04.000 Well, you've got to get a rematch.

00:22:06.000 I mean, you are, without a doubt, the most accomplished featherweight champion of all time.

00:22:10.000 I mean, if you look at your career, you beat Aldo twice, you beat basically everybody.

00:22:15.000 You beat everybody in the division.

00:22:16.000 Ortega, you beat all the up-and-comers, you beat all the veterans, you beat everybody who was there.

00:22:21.000 And so, in my eyes, a rematch makes sense, and it's a very exciting fight.

00:22:27.000 It would be a great rematch.

00:22:28.000 It would sell.

00:22:29.000 Yeah, it's going to sell, for sure.

00:22:31.000 Because there's no one really compelling...

00:22:33.000 Yeah.

00:22:33.000 It's not like you lost the title, Volkanovski beat you, but there's another guy who's been begging and pleading, and right there, everybody wants to see you fight for the title.

00:22:42.000 Yeah, Volkanovski was that guy.

00:22:43.000 Volkanovski was that guy, yeah.

00:22:45.000 I mean, there's good guys in the division, but you've beaten most of the guys.

00:22:48.000 Ortega was the big guy, right?

00:22:50.000 He was the one that everybody wanted to see you fight, because he was undefeated, and he would win in such spectacular ways.

00:22:55.000 But you deserve a rematch, I really feel like.

00:22:59.000 Yeah, we see what happens.

00:23:00.000 I can't wait.

00:23:02.000 I heard a little bit, they didn't hit me up yet, but I heard Dana saying something in Australia or whatever, but it is what it is.

00:23:08.000 That would be fun.

00:23:09.000 Australia would be the move.

00:23:11.000 We see what happens.

00:23:13.000 You know how it is.

00:23:14.000 I got this never-backed-down attitude.

00:23:16.000 Do you believe that little motherfucker used to be 240 pounds?

00:23:19.000 How crazy is that?

00:23:20.000 That is crazy.

00:23:22.000 He was a tank, man, when he was playing rugby.

00:23:25.000 He was just like a bulldozer.

00:23:28.000 I don't know how someone that tall is that heavy.

00:23:30.000 That's kind of crazy, you know?

00:23:33.000 Good for him, man.

00:23:34.000 Like an Andrew Reese on our hands for a little bit.

00:23:37.000 Well, he wasn't that fat, though.

00:23:39.000 He was just jacked.

00:23:40.000 Huge, yeah.

00:23:40.000 He was just jacked.

00:23:41.000 He's just huge.

00:23:42.000 You still see it in his legs.

00:23:43.000 He's got giant legs.

00:23:44.000 Yeah, he's still a big boy.

00:23:45.000 He's a tough fucking guy, man.

00:23:47.000 It's interesting to see this city kickboxing gym, you know, from Stylebender and Dan Hangman Hooker.

00:23:54.000 Hangman's a bad motherfucker.

00:23:56.000 Yeah, I was a big Hooker fan for a while.

00:23:57.000 Yeah.

00:23:58.000 For a while.

00:23:59.000 I've been watching him since he was four.

00:24:00.000 When he was in 45, I was watching him.

00:24:02.000 He's a beast.

00:24:02.000 I was like, we're probably going to end up fighting each other when he was at 45, and he went to 55. And everybody was saying, he's a big 45, and I'm in 55. He makes these 55 guys look small.

00:24:11.000 He's pretty jacked.

00:24:11.000 He's huge.

00:24:12.000 Yeah, he's good.

00:24:13.000 I love watching their style.

00:24:14.000 Yeah, he's had one bad fight where it didn't go his way.

00:24:19.000 That was the fight against Barboza, but he stood with Barboza, which is just a fucking terrible idea for most people.

00:24:24.000 Barboza kicks so goddamn good.

00:24:26.000 He's the fastest switch kicker I've ever seen in my life.

00:24:30.000 I've never seen anybody throw a switch kick fast than that guy.

00:24:32.000 I never did.

00:24:33.000 I watch his fights, and I always try to go to the gym and mimic it.

00:24:37.000 I'm like, yeah, I can't be doing this.

00:24:40.000 I don't even know how he can balance that fast.

00:24:42.000 It's a trap!

00:24:43.000 It's a trap!

00:24:45.000 He kicks so fast, man.

00:24:46.000 And then when he, like, even sometimes when he, like, leg kick people and, like, just even switch kick people to the body and just hit their, his foot land, I'm like, yeah, that can't be that hurtful.

00:24:56.000 But when he lands only his foot, I'm like, God, this sucks.

00:25:00.000 It hurts.

00:25:01.000 It doesn't matter if it's shin or his foot.

00:25:03.000 He can fuck you up with just his foot.

00:25:05.000 Yeah.

00:25:05.000 Well, he's got the first wheel kick knockout ever in the UFC. Yeah.

00:25:09.000 Against Terry Edom.

00:25:10.000 Yeah.

00:25:11.000 Come on.

00:25:12.000 Nobody's going to forget that.

00:25:13.000 That was crazy.

00:25:14.000 That was the first ever...

00:25:15.000 First ever wheel kick knockout.

00:25:17.000 Yeah.

00:25:17.000 All those fights.

00:25:18.000 Imagine.

00:25:18.000 And in Brazil.

00:25:19.000 And then the statue after.

00:25:20.000 That was crazy.

00:25:22.000 The way he...

00:25:23.000 He's a beast, man.

00:25:25.000 It's interesting.

00:25:26.000 He's the most kick-oriented fighter, I think, in the sport.

00:25:29.000 Because you don't see him beating guys down with his hands.

00:25:32.000 No.

00:25:33.000 All his hands is touches.

00:25:35.000 Touch, touch.

00:25:35.000 Range range.

00:25:36.000 Touch, touch, whack.

00:25:37.000 Boom!

00:25:38.000 And leg kicks.

00:25:39.000 And sometimes he chose two leg kicks fast.

00:25:41.000 He chose so fast, his kicks is like his jabs.

00:25:44.000 Yeah.

00:25:45.000 But then, it's like jazz, but they hurt like streetwriters.

00:25:48.000 Yeah, I mean, he stopped Dan Hooker with a punch to the body, but that was because his body was brutalized by those kicks.

00:25:54.000 That was the left body kick, right?

00:25:55.000 He wasn't?

00:25:55.000 He was switch-kicking him first.

00:25:56.000 He was switch-kicking him.

00:25:57.000 He hit him with a spinning back kick to the body.

00:25:59.000 Didn't he make a filter, too, like P-Blood or something?

00:26:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:01.000 Like a filter said.

00:26:02.000 Him and Felder had two wars.

00:26:04.000 Crazy.

00:26:06.000 He's a really interesting guy.

00:26:10.000 It's so many different styles.

00:26:12.000 That's one of the cool things about the sport.

00:26:14.000 There's so many different ways to do it.

00:26:16.000 Genetics, especially him, Moran, Marais, Jose Aldo.

00:26:22.000 Look, all Brazilians, guys.

00:26:23.000 These guys are fast twitch, stupid muscles.

00:26:26.000 Unfair.

00:26:27.000 Why are you guys so fast for?

00:26:29.000 What did you think?

00:26:29.000 Did you watch the Mirai's Aldo fight?

00:26:31.000 I was warming up during it, so I kind of got to see, kind of didn't, so I never really watched it.

00:26:37.000 Most people are pretty salty on the decision.

00:26:39.000 Yeah?

00:26:39.000 How do you feel?

00:26:40.000 I didn't like it.

00:26:41.000 I thought Aldo was pretty good.

00:26:42.000 Pressuring him.

00:26:43.000 Look, he opened up with a switch kick to the head and had Aldo staggering a little bit.

00:26:48.000 But Aldo covered up and weathered the storm.

00:26:50.000 And then Aldo started putting the pressure on him.

00:26:52.000 And Aldo started hitting him with big punches and really was controlling the center of the octagon and really pressuring him and being very aggressive.

00:27:00.000 And then he got taken down the last couple of seconds of the first round, but nothing happened.

00:27:05.000 He just took him down and hold him.

00:27:06.000 In my mind, that shouldn't mean much.

00:27:09.000 That don't mean nothing.

00:27:09.000 That doesn't mean anything.

00:27:11.000 I get mad about takedowns period in MMA because I don't understand how I can beat somebody up for 4 minutes and 50 seconds and you take me down for the last 10 seconds and you win the round.

00:27:24.000 It's crazy.

00:27:25.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:27:26.000 I think you have to take me down and if you're not going to advance, you at least got to ground and palm me for 30 seconds, 40 seconds to make that a legitimately takedown.

00:27:35.000 I agree.

00:27:35.000 It should be something happens when you go to the ground.

00:27:38.000 100%.

00:27:39.000 You got to brutalize the guy or threaten with a submission.

00:27:43.000 It's got to be something.

00:27:44.000 But with Marlon and Jose Aldo, if they gave that first round to Marlon, it's on the basis of that high kick.

00:27:49.000 Some strikes landed, but I thought Aldo did more.

00:27:52.000 And I thought Aldo did more in the second round.

00:27:54.000 And I thought Aldo won the fight.

00:27:56.000 I thought it was close, but I thought Aldo won the fight.

00:27:58.000 I thought he was more aggressive.

00:27:59.000 Everybody's tripping on his wig.

00:28:01.000 He looked good, though.

00:28:03.000 I was like, he looked good.

00:28:04.000 Yeah.

00:28:05.000 Aldo just have high cheekbones.

00:28:07.000 And then he was leaving his facial hair for all fight weeks.

00:28:11.000 So people were like, oh my god, he looks scary.

00:28:12.000 I'm like, guys, this is how he looks.

00:28:15.000 This is his face.

00:28:16.000 He's bald too.

00:28:17.000 That doesn't help when you have no hair.

00:28:20.000 People just think you look crazy already.

00:28:22.000 Well, you know, that was the first fight that he ever had a nutritionist for his whole career.

00:28:26.000 That's what I heard.

00:28:26.000 That is crazy.

00:28:28.000 That's crazy.

00:28:28.000 I told him, like, man, that's what I heard.

00:28:31.000 I heard his meals when he was at 45 was just whatever he wanted to eat.

00:28:36.000 Like, he felt like eating whatever he wanted to eat.

00:28:38.000 He did it.

00:28:38.000 I'm like...

00:28:39.000 Yeah, that's why this dude is one of the greatest all the time.

00:28:41.000 He's an animal.

00:28:42.000 Well, he ate whatever he wanted and then he just drained the shit out of himself.

00:28:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:28:47.000 But he had some times during his career where people didn't think he was going to be able to make 45 anymore.

00:28:52.000 He's going to have to go up to 55. So then to see him down at 35 was quite crazy.

00:28:56.000 But what I saw when I saw him when he was posing and getting ready, I saw muscles.

00:29:02.000 It wasn't like he was drawn out.

00:29:04.000 You see some guys when they're making a bad weight cut and they just look like shit.

00:29:10.000 He just looked ripped.

00:29:11.000 No, he looked good.

00:29:12.000 He looked real good.

00:29:13.000 Even when I saw him...

00:29:15.000 What did I see him?

00:29:18.000 Alderman Media Day.

00:29:19.000 Or whatever.

00:29:20.000 Early in the week.

00:29:21.000 I even worked out.

00:29:22.000 Me and him had the same workout room for one of the nights and we worked out together.

00:29:26.000 And when I shook him, I shake hands and pull him in a hug.

00:29:30.000 First thing I go back to my class, I was like, guy hard as a rock.

00:29:33.000 He's going to make weight.

00:29:34.000 When you're that hard and you have muscle, it's much easier to cut water.

00:29:38.000 Right.

00:29:39.000 When you touch someone and they soft, it's like, yeah, my man.

00:29:42.000 I don't know.

00:29:43.000 How are you going to do this weight cut?

00:29:44.000 You know, peace be with you.

00:29:47.000 People don't think that, right?

00:29:49.000 I mean, we had a conversation about that with, what the fuck is his name?

00:29:57.000 It wasn't Dolce.

00:29:58.000 It was the other guy.

00:30:01.000 I'll remember his name in a minute.

00:30:03.000 Lockhart?

00:30:03.000 Yes, thank you.

00:30:04.000 George Lockhart.

00:30:05.000 Sorry, George.

00:30:06.000 It's the weed.

00:30:07.000 I blame the weed.

00:30:08.000 But Lockhart was saying that big muscular guys, it's easier.

00:30:12.000 It's easier to...

00:30:13.000 You can suck water out of someone who's muscular because his muscle is going to let go of water.

00:30:20.000 But if you got fat, fat is going to hold on to everything.

00:30:22.000 That's why you fat.

00:30:27.000 To be honest...

00:30:29.000 Yeah, you're holding on to everything.

00:30:31.000 You're holding on to whatever goes to your body.

00:30:32.000 Like, holy shit, what is this?

00:30:33.000 Let's just hold on to it.

00:30:34.000 Muscle is like, once it's something bad, like muscles won't even hold on to something bad.

00:30:39.000 If you eat sugar and you're so muscular, you feel sick.

00:30:41.000 It's funny how different guys look on the scale versus the next day.

00:30:46.000 Like, Lombard, Was a good example.

00:30:48.000 When he would make 170, he'd look so much smaller on the scale, and the next day he'd be like, fuck, is this the same guy?

00:30:55.000 It's muscle, yeah.

00:30:56.000 And then muscle wants water.

00:30:58.000 So when you put water into that bad boy, my gosh, you look like a balloon.

00:31:04.000 Carb up, swells up.

00:31:06.000 You know Lombard's fighting bare knuckle boxing now?

00:31:10.000 No.

00:31:11.000 I didn't know.

00:31:11.000 Who are you fighting?

00:31:13.000 I think he's fighting Joe Riggs.

00:31:16.000 What?

00:31:17.000 Yeah, I think he's fighting Joe Riggs in a bare knuckle.

00:31:19.000 Bare knuckle boxing is weird.

00:31:21.000 It's gangster.

00:31:22.000 It is gangster, but it's weird how popular it's become.

00:31:25.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:31:27.000 And it's nuts to me, like...

00:31:31.000 I think MMA fighters, we do much more than professional boxers inside of it.

00:31:38.000 Because professional boxers, like MMA fighters, we're so used to the small 4-ounce gloves that certain slips we know don't work already.

00:31:45.000 When you watch and you see a professional ex-boxer go to that bare knuckle thing, And they try to do their shoulder rolls and stuff.

00:31:54.000 It don't work because they don't have a glove.

00:31:55.000 The little half inch of the glove would bounce off and work.

00:31:59.000 But now it's just coming straight to you.

00:32:01.000 And you just see people's eyes just go.

00:32:04.000 It's crazy.

00:32:05.000 Yeah, there's certain techniques like Floyd Mayweather would employ that just would never work with little gloves.

00:32:10.000 It would never work.

00:32:11.000 And you can kind of find it in a clinch too, right?

00:32:13.000 With bare knuckles.

00:32:15.000 Yeah, you can clinch.

00:32:16.000 You can clinch.

00:32:17.000 You can clinch and punch from inside the clinch.

00:32:19.000 You know, other things, kickboxers, the same deal.

00:32:21.000 You know, you watch a lot of the top-level kickboxers, they're fighting like this all the time.

00:32:25.000 They're completely covering up.

00:32:27.000 Even when you go around, you might not get the full glove, you know what I mean?

00:32:32.000 But now, the extra pad is not there anymore, so you think you're going to block it, it's coming right through.

00:32:38.000 Yep, yep, yep.

00:32:39.000 It's interesting.

00:32:40.000 What would you think if MMA had no gloves?

00:32:43.000 Would you like that?

00:32:45.000 Ah, man.

00:32:45.000 I got a little small, tiny hand, so I don't know.

00:32:49.000 I think it probably screwed up my knuckles.

00:32:51.000 I hurt my thumbs almost every fight, so I don't know.

00:32:55.000 Did you hurt this fight?

00:32:57.000 Before the fight, every fight is just a nagging injury, you know?

00:33:00.000 So, like, we always take care of it, this and that, but...

00:33:03.000 Do you have to tape it any differently?

00:33:04.000 Not really, but I love taping my thumb like a boxer.

00:33:08.000 That's the best feeling when you just got something holding.

00:33:10.000 Because when we do train, we're in boxing gloves anyway.

00:33:13.000 So you always feel something there anyway.

00:33:16.000 So when we go to the fight night, it's just kind of weird if I don't tape my thumb.

00:33:20.000 I tried not to tape it one time.

00:33:21.000 I was like, yeah, no, I gotta tape it.

00:33:22.000 Do most guys tape their thumbs or no?

00:33:24.000 I don't know.

00:33:25.000 I don't know.

00:33:26.000 I think it's just preference.

00:33:27.000 Personal preference.

00:33:28.000 Did you watch the Colby-Usman fight?

00:33:30.000 Yeah, I watched a little bit of it.

00:33:32.000 Not the whole thing.

00:33:33.000 Oh, what'd you think?

00:33:34.000 I thought it was crazy.

00:33:35.000 Crazy fight, right?

00:33:35.000 I thought it was crazy.

00:33:37.000 That was a wild fight.

00:33:38.000 I like what you said, you know?

00:33:39.000 Even though, like...

00:33:40.000 Even though Kofi talk like that, most guys that talk like that, act like him, can't fight, he can't fight.

00:33:49.000 He can fight.

00:33:49.000 He tricks you.

00:33:50.000 He does.

00:33:51.000 He tricks you into thinking he sucks.

00:33:52.000 He's wearing a cheap suit.

00:33:53.000 He's carrying around Donald Trump Jr.'s book.

00:33:55.000 He's wearing a MAGA hat.

00:33:56.000 His suit costs $3.

00:33:58.000 He's on the same page.

00:34:00.000 He's not reading.

00:34:01.000 He's not reading that fucking book.

00:34:03.000 Look, I give it up to that guy for a lot of reasons.

00:34:08.000 First of all, his back was against the wall.

00:34:12.000 The UFC was telling him they're going to cut him after this fight with Damian Maia.

00:34:15.000 They don't like his style.

00:34:16.000 They think he's boring.

00:34:17.000 They literally told that to him.

00:34:19.000 So he goes in the ring after the fight, calls Brazilians a bunch of filthy animals, says a bunch of crazy shit, and the next thing you know, he's got this fucking character.

00:34:27.000 Oh yeah, for Joe Rogan.

00:34:28.000 We were making fun of his suit.

00:34:33.000 And next thing you know, he's one of the most popular guys in the fucking sport from talking shit.

00:34:38.000 And that was only three fights ago, man.

00:34:40.000 It was a massive adjustment.

00:34:41.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:34:42.000 Smart.

00:34:43.000 Yeah, it is, you know.

00:34:44.000 And at the end of the day, you know, if people ask me, oh, how do you feel like he came out and said that it was like a stick, you know?

00:34:50.000 I was like, oh, sure, whatever it is.

00:34:52.000 I just told people, like...

00:34:54.000 It's him.

00:34:55.000 You know what I mean?

00:34:56.000 Like, it's not me.

00:34:57.000 Why am I bothered?

00:34:58.000 Why are you guys getting bothered by it?

00:35:00.000 Like, let him do it.

00:35:02.000 Let the guy water his own.

00:35:03.000 Like, he's digging his own grave.

00:35:05.000 Let him go dig it.

00:35:05.000 You know what I mean?

00:35:06.000 He got to live in it now.

00:35:08.000 You know?

00:35:08.000 Like, now he got to live in it.

00:35:09.000 Like, I think so at the fighter panel, they asked, oh, why did you laugh when you found out that he outed himself?

00:35:15.000 I was like, because it's a storyline.

00:35:18.000 You don't see these WWE guys going around and be like, yeah...

00:35:21.000 No, they keep their storyline until they go out and then they change it.

00:35:25.000 Well, we kind of outed it first.

00:35:26.000 We outed it first.

00:35:27.000 Me and Brendan Schaub outed it first.

00:35:29.000 We told the whole story.

00:35:31.000 I would text you and be behind the scenes like, Joe Rogan, guess what?

00:35:39.000 I hate you.

00:35:41.000 And that's it.

00:35:42.000 That's all I leave it at.

00:35:43.000 That's it.

00:35:44.000 And then when it comes back, I don't know what, Jorogan is a lie.

00:35:46.000 I would start making lies.

00:35:48.000 Jorogan don't even smoke weed.

00:35:48.000 That's fake.

00:35:50.000 He's smoking just regular grass, guys.

00:35:52.000 You heard it here first on JRE from Max Allen.

00:35:55.000 He's just smoking regular grass, guys.

00:35:57.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

00:36:00.000 We haven't had a guy that put on a character like that before.

00:36:03.000 He's the first.

00:36:04.000 Really?

00:36:05.000 Yeah, he is.

00:36:05.000 Chael Sonnen a little bit.

00:36:06.000 Chael Sonnen a little bit.

00:36:07.000 You know, he kind of put on a little bit of an act like that, but Colby took it to a whole new level.

00:36:11.000 I mean, suits, and he's adjusted it over the years.

00:36:14.000 Because if you go back and look at the beginning of it, he used to wear nice suits.

00:36:18.000 He was wearing like a sweet, a very nice tailored suit, like really expensive.

00:36:23.000 Now he's wearing the cheapest shit that he could buy, like blue and orange.

00:36:27.000 He's on purpose.

00:36:28.000 You know he's doing it on purpose.

00:36:30.000 He's wearing cheap suits.

00:36:31.000 It's fucking hilarious, man.

00:36:33.000 It's hilarious.

00:36:34.000 It's terrible.

00:36:35.000 And it was a good goddamn fight.

00:36:37.000 It was a good fight.

00:36:39.000 It was a real close fight.

00:36:40.000 Got 50k.

00:36:41.000 It was 3-3.

00:36:43.000 On two judges' scorecards, they had it 3-1.

00:36:48.000 So three rounds to Usman on one judges' score.

00:36:51.000 Three rounds to Colby on another judges' scorecard.

00:36:54.000 Yeah, it was that goddamn close.

00:36:56.000 And 2-2 with the last judge.

00:36:58.000 This is another example.

00:36:59.000 That would have been crazy.

00:37:01.000 It's crazy.

00:37:02.000 But this is another example why we should have more judges.

00:37:04.000 We should have more than three judges.

00:37:06.000 How much does the Olympic do?

00:37:09.000 The boxing?

00:37:10.000 I don't know.

00:37:10.000 I think they have eight.

00:37:12.000 That would be perfect.

00:37:13.000 And then they take whatever scores match, like the top five, whatever, and then they balance it.

00:37:20.000 That makes sense.

00:37:21.000 Eight's a good number.

00:37:21.000 Nine would be a good number because nine would be like a tiebreaker.

00:37:26.000 If you had four one way, four another way.

00:37:29.000 I feel like three is ridiculous.

00:37:31.000 Why do you only have three?

00:37:33.000 You know the judges suck already, so why do you only have three people that suck?

00:37:37.000 If anybody can change the sport, you can.

00:37:39.000 I've tried, man.

00:37:40.000 I've tried to eliminate weight cutting.

00:37:42.000 I've talked to these guys.

00:37:45.000 I've talked to Ari.

00:37:46.000 I've talked to Lorenzo.

00:37:47.000 I said, let's get rid of weight cutting.

00:37:49.000 Get rid of it.

00:37:49.000 Do what 1FC is doing.

00:37:51.000 Use hydration tests.

00:37:52.000 Make everybody fight their natural weight.

00:37:54.000 Open up weight classes.

00:37:55.000 Make a bunch more.

00:37:56.000 Having two weight classes between 185 and 205 is fucking bananas.

00:38:01.000 You got a 20-pound jump.

00:38:02.000 Yeah, I think we need to open weight.

00:38:05.000 Yeah.

00:38:06.000 And then even like, one of the most weight things that I hate is like, I don't understand why the champion and the challenger of the champion need to make 45 and then everybody else get the pawn allowance.

00:38:20.000 Yeah, what is that?

00:38:21.000 That's backwards.

00:38:22.000 The champion and the challenger should have the pound lines and everybody else need to make the weight.

00:38:28.000 Right?

00:38:28.000 Am I not right?

00:38:29.000 Or you just be like...

00:38:31.000 And if you want to give the champion more love, you just be like, look, champion needs to come in at 46 and the challenger come at 45. That's just...

00:38:38.000 How it should be.

00:38:39.000 I don't know.

00:38:40.000 If you're going to cut all that weight, we know you're going to fight for five rounds.

00:38:43.000 Give them an extra pound.

00:38:44.000 Yeah.

00:38:45.000 But I feel like hydration tests are the way.

00:38:48.000 Hydration tests are cool.

00:38:49.000 I think it's cool.

00:38:49.000 I know a couple guys in the 1FC and stuff, and they do it that way.

00:38:53.000 I think that's super dope.

00:38:54.000 I bet you could feel better.

00:38:55.000 I bet you would feel better.

00:38:57.000 And you just walk around and fight.

00:38:58.000 But it's crazy because if we do do that, people are just going to try and find a way to finesse it anyway.

00:39:05.000 I wonder what they do in 1FC to prevent that.

00:39:08.000 I mean, apparently they haven't had an issue with that.

00:39:10.000 They test people.

00:39:11.000 They make sure that you're not dehydrated.

00:39:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:13.000 So I don't know.

00:39:14.000 I have no idea.

00:39:15.000 They find them what you weigh.

00:39:16.000 They find what you weigh in camp.

00:39:18.000 That's what they should do.

00:39:19.000 Just show up like one day.

00:39:20.000 Hey, Max, what's up?

00:39:21.000 Hey, get on the scale, bro.

00:39:22.000 You're like, oh, I just ate cake.

00:39:26.000 Ice cream.

00:39:27.000 I ain't back.

00:39:28.000 I'm his brother.

00:39:29.000 What are you talking about?

00:39:30.000 He's at home, I think.

00:39:32.000 What's the heaviest you've ever gotten?

00:39:34.000 The heaviest I've ever gotten?

00:39:36.000 I don't know.

00:39:38.000 We're in Hollywood.

00:39:39.000 I can't be telling you my way right now.

00:39:41.000 We're not in Hollywood.

00:39:41.000 This is Hollywood.

00:39:43.000 No, this is Chatsworth.

00:39:46.000 We're pretty damn close.

00:39:47.000 We're in the valley, bro.

00:39:48.000 We're pretty close.

00:39:50.000 If you had to guess.

00:39:52.000 If I had to guess...

00:39:53.000 80?

00:39:54.000 180?

00:39:55.000 Probably 180. Yeah?

00:39:57.000 80, 85. 85?

00:39:59.000 90. That means 90. That means one...

00:40:00.000 It might mean 200 pounds.

00:40:01.000 Maybe 210. Who knows?

00:40:04.000 You guys really think I over here putting on an act calling out DC? DC! You are eating everything I want to eat!

00:40:12.000 You know who the real money fight is, DC! It's me!

00:40:16.000 I'll fight your ass and then battle you to an all-you-can-eat buffet!

00:40:21.000 You let me know!

00:40:22.000 Daddest man on the planet right here!

00:40:25.000 The daddest man on the planet!

00:40:27.000 That is hilarious!

00:40:29.000 There's never been a bad motherfucker on the planet with a body like DC. Never.

00:40:33.000 Never.

00:40:34.000 Because usually those guys are journeymen.

00:40:36.000 Usually there's a lot of good fighters that are built like that, but they never really get to be like world class, world championship.

00:40:41.000 The world class champion that did what he did.

00:40:43.000 Yeah.

00:40:44.000 And continue to do what he's doing.

00:40:46.000 Yeah, man.

00:40:47.000 When he fought Stipe, he had a big old belly.

00:40:50.000 He still cracked in the first round.

00:40:52.000 I tease him all the time.

00:40:54.000 DC, you can't be using the tights, bro.

00:40:56.000 Yeah.

00:40:58.000 You gotta bring your shorts up.

00:40:59.000 Come on.

00:41:00.000 Use some board shorts.

00:41:01.000 You can't be using these tights.

00:41:03.000 I tease him all the time.

00:41:04.000 I love that guy.

00:41:05.000 I love that guy too.

00:41:06.000 What do you think is going to happen with them?

00:41:07.000 I wonder if Stipe is going to be...

00:41:08.000 Stipe apparently is injured.

00:41:10.000 He's having a hard time recovering.

00:41:12.000 They're trying to do a rematch, but he's got an injury.

00:41:15.000 Even if it's not a rematch, are they going to move on from Stipe or no?

00:41:19.000 Listen, everybody's scared of Francis.

00:41:21.000 Nobody wants a piece of that dude.

00:41:23.000 They're like, fuck that.

00:41:24.000 Fuck that noise.

00:41:26.000 DC told me.

00:41:28.000 They offered him Francis.

00:41:29.000 He's like, fuck that.

00:41:30.000 I don't want nothing to do with Francis Ngannou.

00:41:34.000 No thank you, sir.

00:41:36.000 No.

00:41:36.000 He was like, I'm here for Stipe and that's it.

00:41:39.000 He goes, I'm in the end of this.

00:41:41.000 I got like one or two fights left in me.

00:41:43.000 They gotta make sense.

00:41:44.000 And he's not interested in that.

00:41:46.000 Which, if I was in his corner, I'd be like, thank God you're thinking this way.

00:41:50.000 Fuck, that guy's too scary.

00:41:53.000 He scares the fuck out of me.

00:41:55.000 He's fast.

00:41:55.000 He's fast as fuck.

00:41:56.000 He's super fast for how big he is.

00:41:57.000 Super fast as fuck and he nukes dudes.

00:42:01.000 When he hit Alistair with that left hook.

00:42:03.000 That was crazy.

00:42:04.000 That was in Detroit.

00:42:06.000 I remember that when I was watching that.

00:42:08.000 You see how his head wiggles in the air before he even hits the ground?

00:42:13.000 My gosh.

00:42:14.000 How many times has Alistair been knocked out?

00:42:17.000 I think a lot.

00:42:18.000 A lot.

00:42:18.000 It's been a lot.

00:42:19.000 But it doesn't help that you come from the K1 background.

00:42:22.000 No.

00:42:23.000 You're just getting punched so much.

00:42:25.000 K1 and pride.

00:42:26.000 And then he was always at, what was it, 185, right?

00:42:30.000 He was always 185, 205, and heavyweight.

00:42:32.000 Now it's like...

00:42:33.000 Come on.

00:42:34.000 Well, he had a real hard time making 205, if you remember.

00:42:37.000 Back when he fought Chuck Liddell, he was real skinny.

00:42:39.000 He was smaller, you know?

00:42:41.000 And once you get past...

00:42:43.000 Once you're 185 and up, it's like everybody can knock on everybody there.

00:42:48.000 And once you...

00:42:50.000 And once you get knocked out, your brain is going to just keep saving you earlier and earlier.

00:42:54.000 Every time.

00:42:55.000 Once you get hit a certain way, your brain is going to shut off because it's just trying to save itself.

00:42:58.000 And there's nothing you can do.

00:43:00.000 That is crazy, right?

00:43:02.000 There's no fix for that.

00:43:03.000 No fix at all because your brain is just trying to protect yourself.

00:43:06.000 I know people who get choked out.

00:43:08.000 Who got choked out to sleep, and now you can choke them out easier because the brain is just like, the brain is like, no, yeah.

00:43:16.000 I've never seen that with chokes.

00:43:17.000 Is that true?

00:43:18.000 Yeah, I know a couple people.

00:43:20.000 Wow, damn.

00:43:21.000 That's not good.

00:43:22.000 Yeah, they say that chokes, I used to think chokes were a free ride.

00:43:25.000 I used to think, no big deal, you just got choked out.

00:43:27.000 But now they're saying, no, no, no, no, no.

00:43:29.000 Like, chokes give you brain damage.

00:43:31.000 For sure!

00:43:35.000 You're forcing your body to do something that it doesn't want to do.

00:43:38.000 You're shutting your brain off.

00:43:39.000 It's telling yourself, look, I'm going to turn everything off before you die.

00:43:44.000 And this is it.

00:43:46.000 Because if you keep holding it, when you knock out, you're going to kill someone.

00:43:49.000 Yeah, you're going to kill someone.

00:43:50.000 So your body just be like, okay, look, I'm turning it off now.

00:43:54.000 So...

00:43:55.000 Let's just hope you recover.

00:43:56.000 But they're finding CTE in jiu-jitsu players.

00:44:00.000 They're finding it in high-level jiu-jitsu guys.

00:44:02.000 I don't think...

00:44:04.000 It's from choke, exactly.

00:44:06.000 Like, I hit my head...

00:44:08.000 All the time.

00:44:08.000 I hit my head when I'm grappling and stuff...

00:44:12.000 Just as much as getting punched sometimes.

00:44:14.000 Sometimes I don't even get punched or need in the head when we're moving and stuff.

00:44:17.000 But when you're doing jiu-jitsu and someone tries to take you back or snap you down or you're rolling.

00:44:22.000 Collide heads.

00:44:23.000 Yeah, or collide heads.

00:44:24.000 Or you stay on the top and they're bunking.

00:44:26.000 You got a wild child under you and you hit your head.

00:44:29.000 Or you get their back.

00:44:31.000 A wild child.

00:44:33.000 Some people are wild, man.

00:44:36.000 When they do something, I'm like...

00:44:39.000 When I got a wild child, I was like, boom, okay, this is how it's going to end.

00:44:42.000 And then if we do it, I'd be like, look, after you tap on it, I'd be like, look, you got to relax, guy.

00:44:47.000 Take it easy.

00:44:49.000 You know what I mean?

00:44:50.000 That's all they have, though.

00:44:52.000 If you look at it, this is a cool thing about my team, my coach.

00:44:56.000 He will never, ever let me do a jiu-jitsu tournament.

00:44:58.000 I keep begging him.

00:44:59.000 I'm like, I want to do a jiu-jitsu tournament.

00:45:00.000 I want to do a jiu-jitsu tournament.

00:45:01.000 He's like, no.

00:45:02.000 He's like, I'll let you go do a boxing match if I do a jiu-jitsu tournament.

00:45:05.000 I was like, why?

00:45:05.000 He's like, because you see all these top MMA fighters, they go to the geese, jiu-jitsu, whatever the tournament is.

00:45:12.000 They tear their ACL. They tear their shoulder.

00:45:15.000 They get choked out.

00:45:17.000 They hit their head.

00:45:17.000 They get cut.

00:45:18.000 Luke cut his eye in a fight.

00:45:22.000 A wrestling match.

00:45:23.000 Yeah, in a grappling match.

00:45:24.000 Like, how?

00:45:26.000 It's just freak stuff happen when you're grappling.

00:45:29.000 Well, Cub blew his knee out just this weekend.

00:45:30.000 Yeah, I heard.

00:45:31.000 I mean, he's on a real high note right now.

00:45:33.000 Just beat Krohn Gracie.

00:45:35.000 Gracie, yeah.

00:45:35.000 And he's also 36 with a family.

00:45:38.000 So it's like, this guy can't afford to take a fucking year off.

00:45:41.000 Yeah, that's why.

00:45:41.000 He was locked up in a leg lock with Jake Shields, who's at least 30 pounds bigger than him.

00:45:47.000 Jake is a big fella.

00:45:48.000 Yeah.

00:45:48.000 And, you know, they're doing that quintet thing where different weights will compete against different guys.

00:45:53.000 Shout out to Sean O'Malley.

00:45:54.000 I saw him put it on for the UFC team, man.

00:45:57.000 Did you see Krause?

00:45:58.000 James Krause caught King Mo in a standing guillotine?

00:46:01.000 No!

00:46:02.000 Krause is really underrated, man.

00:46:04.000 Krause is a beast.

00:46:05.000 I like Krause.

00:46:05.000 I like him a lot.

00:46:06.000 Very, very smart guy.

00:46:08.000 Really nice guy, too.

00:46:08.000 Yeah, real nice guy.

00:46:09.000 I like him.

00:46:11.000 He was in the workout room, too, that week.

00:46:13.000 I thought he was fighting, but no, he was just doing the grappling, so that's cool.

00:46:17.000 Yeah, so Jake Shields tapped out Mark Munoz, and then he got him in an arm triangle, a head and arm choke, and then he was in the middle of the scramble with Cub, and he had Cub's leg laced up with a heel-hook position, but it didn't apply heel-hook.

00:46:34.000 They were just in the middle of a transition, moving.

00:46:36.000 And Cub just like, ah!

00:46:38.000 And he just rolls over on his back.

00:46:39.000 You know better than everybody that once you get there and you go the wrong way, your leg stays there.

00:46:47.000 Yeah, that's Kraus tapping King Mo with a standing guillotine.

00:46:50.000 This guy is a beast.

00:46:52.000 Yeah, grappling is not...

00:46:53.000 It's not a safe bet.

00:46:55.000 I can't believe that these guys who are fighting in the UFC for a career would be willing to risk that because you really can get fucked up, man.

00:47:03.000 You really can get really badly hurt.

00:47:05.000 Like, jam your finger?

00:47:06.000 Oh, yeah.

00:47:07.000 You know how many times I hurt my...

00:47:09.000 Doing...

00:47:11.000 With my role with jiu-jitsu and my role with kickboxing, I have way more injuries in doing straight jiu-jitsu than kickboxing training.

00:47:17.000 Really?

00:47:18.000 100%.

00:47:19.000 Wow, that's crazy.

00:47:20.000 100%.

00:47:21.000 Well, I feel like it's easier to go light when you're kickboxing.

00:47:25.000 Exactly.

00:47:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:26.000 Yeah, because you can control it, you know?

00:47:29.000 Right.

00:47:29.000 And nobody wants to get knocked out.

00:47:30.000 In jiu-jitsu and stuff, it's like...

00:47:33.000 It's like, oh, you can probably put someone to sleep or break their arm, but, like, you gotta be pretty good with your partner.

00:47:37.000 Like, some guys, like, you know certain guys, like, yeah, if they get this arm, they're gonna fucking take it home.

00:47:42.000 I'm not gonna give it to you.

00:47:44.000 Oh, there's always guys like that that I would keep rolling with.

00:47:47.000 Like, why?

00:47:47.000 Some guys just fucking, they go so hard.

00:47:50.000 Yeah.

00:47:50.000 And they hurt people.

00:47:51.000 Some guys are hurt.

00:47:52.000 They hurt people.

00:47:53.000 Yeah.

00:47:53.000 Some guys are always hurt.

00:47:54.000 You always hear, ah!

00:47:55.000 You look over.

00:47:56.000 Oh, it's Mike.

00:47:58.000 Motherfucker.

00:47:58.000 Getting people in arm bars.

00:48:02.000 Combat sports are...

00:48:03.000 It's wild.

00:48:05.000 It's so hard to train correctly.

00:48:07.000 If everything was great, you would have full control.

00:48:11.000 Your opponent would have full control.

00:48:13.000 You guys would spar correctly.

00:48:14.000 Everybody would learn and grow.

00:48:15.000 You'd have great training.

00:48:16.000 But it's so hard to find good training.

00:48:19.000 It's an eagle.

00:48:20.000 Yeah.

00:48:21.000 That's how I love my teammates when I'm getting ready for fights.

00:48:26.000 Whenever we got to mimic guys, even though sometimes it's horrible.

00:48:32.000 Sometimes some guys, you got to train a certain way and spar me and give me a certain look, and they're getting it, and they know if they just go back to their normal style, they give me more competitive sparring, they still do it.

00:48:43.000 And I tell them after every practice, I'm like, guy, thank you.

00:48:45.000 Don't worry, when it's your fight, I'm going to take my ass off too.

00:48:49.000 I'm going to pay you back, my friend.

00:48:51.000 What's the weirdest style you ever had to prepare for?

00:48:54.000 What fighter do you think was the most difficult to prepare for in terms of getting ready for their style?

00:49:01.000 I think so.

00:49:02.000 It was...

00:49:03.000 What is his name?

00:49:06.000 Will Chope.

00:49:07.000 The one that I started the win streak on.

00:49:09.000 Yeah.

00:49:10.000 He was so tall.

00:49:11.000 He was like 6'4".

00:49:11.000 Who do you get ready for?

00:49:12.000 Everybody I know that was 6'4 or something is already 200 pounds.

00:49:16.000 Right.

00:49:16.000 190 pounds, 200 pounds.

00:49:18.000 This guy's like...

00:49:19.000 6'4", 145 is crazy.

00:49:22.000 Yeah.

00:49:22.000 You know, and it was crazy.

00:49:23.000 And then, like, I remember, like, going in there, and I was, like, trying to hit him, and he's just, like, jabbing me.

00:49:28.000 And I'm like, what is going on?

00:49:29.000 Like, how is this guy so tall right now?

00:49:32.000 Like, what is he doing?

00:49:33.000 Like, how is he hitting me from this far?

00:49:36.000 You know, and that probably was the weirdest one, I think.

00:49:40.000 Well, it's interesting to see long, tall guys and the use of distance.

00:49:44.000 If someone's really good and they're long and tall, that is such a giant advantage.

00:49:48.000 Like, John Jones is the best at it.

00:49:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:50.000 He's the best at it.

00:49:51.000 Super, super smart.

00:49:52.000 He's so good at using that length, though.

00:49:54.000 Oh, yeah.

00:49:54.000 He keeps everybody out there.

00:49:56.000 And then, boom, when he wants, he hits you.

00:49:58.000 Boom, boom.

00:49:59.000 And then...

00:50:00.000 He does the jujitsu way.

00:50:02.000 He's either all the way in or all the way out.

00:50:06.000 He's either on you or he's off of you.

00:50:08.000 He's never ever put himself in stupid positions where you might get a shot on him.

00:50:13.000 I'm really interested to see what Dominic Reyes can do with him.

00:50:16.000 Very interested to see.

00:50:17.000 He's got to rise to the occasion because he had some rough moments with OSP who also had a real good fight with Jon Jones.

00:50:25.000 A lot of people don't You know, OSP's a beast.

00:50:28.000 Big, strong guy.

00:50:29.000 Very powerful.

00:50:30.000 Genetics.

00:50:31.000 Yeah, and excellent striking power.

00:50:34.000 Especially with his left leg and his left hand.

00:50:36.000 He fucks people up.

00:50:38.000 He's got a nasty power left kick, man.

00:50:40.000 But, you know, he struggled with OSP a little bit.

00:50:44.000 Particularly in the middle of the fight, OSP hit him with a good shot.

00:50:48.000 And then he knocked OSP out.

00:50:50.000 He should have got credited for a knockout in that fight.

00:50:52.000 Because Dominic knocked him out with like two seconds to go.

00:50:56.000 And he walked off.

00:50:57.000 I mean, the referee didn't stop the fight.

00:50:59.000 And he's like, no, you got to get up.

00:51:00.000 You got to get up.

00:51:01.000 He's like, what are you?

00:51:01.000 He's out, man.

00:51:03.000 And then the buzzer rang.

00:51:04.000 And then they just called it a decision.

00:51:05.000 They gave it to him by decision.

00:51:07.000 But the fight should have been stopped.

00:51:08.000 I mean, it was a knockout.

00:51:09.000 That's crazy.

00:51:10.000 He knocked him out.

00:51:10.000 That's crazy.

00:51:11.000 Well, it's just one of those things.

00:51:13.000 It's like, you know, the referee's call.

00:51:16.000 Yeah, and we see what happens, you know?

00:51:18.000 Yeah.

00:51:19.000 We all know John Jones is different, you know?

00:51:21.000 Yeah, he's a different animal.

00:51:23.000 Yeah, just different.

00:51:23.000 He's the goal.

00:51:24.000 Even though when you see him and you see him looking kind of normal and stuff, he just...

00:51:29.000 He always finds a way.

00:51:30.000 Yeah, he just finds a way, you know?

00:51:31.000 That looking normal is a trick.

00:51:33.000 Yeah, like when he takes pictures of himself looking skinny fat.

00:51:36.000 Don't let that shit fool you.

00:51:37.000 That's Jon Jones.

00:51:39.000 Even Skinny Fat will fuck you up.

00:51:41.000 He's so strong, too.

00:51:43.000 I bet.

00:51:44.000 You want to talk genetics.

00:51:46.000 His whole family is super athletes.

00:51:48.000 All of his brothers are super athletes.

00:51:51.000 All of them.

00:51:52.000 Can you imagine that?

00:51:53.000 One guy is the greatest light heavyweight champion of all time, the youngest ever to win a world title in the UFC. The other two brothers are NFL superstars.

00:52:02.000 What the fuck is in the water at the Jones house?

00:52:05.000 I don't know.

00:52:06.000 That's some serious fucking genetics over there.

00:52:09.000 And also, I think when you grow up with two bad motherfuckers as brothers, you know you're beating the shit out of each other all the time.

00:52:15.000 Especially when you're youngest.

00:52:16.000 You know he was getting it.

00:52:19.000 Yeah, they're all beating.

00:52:20.000 That's probably why he became a fighter.

00:52:21.000 He's like, yeah, you guys go do this shit.

00:52:23.000 I'm going to get you guys back.

00:52:24.000 Yeah.

00:52:24.000 And they talk shit about each other.

00:52:26.000 And then when they do it, and then when they come, if I was John, I would just tell them, what are you going to do?

00:52:30.000 Tackle me?

00:52:30.000 That shit ain't going to work?

00:52:33.000 Well, his brother's training MMA too.

00:52:35.000 Yeah, okay.

00:52:36.000 They train in between.

00:52:37.000 Well, his brother, Arthur, is fucking gigantic.

00:52:39.000 Yeah, I know.

00:52:40.000 That dude's so big.

00:52:41.000 Yeah.

00:52:42.000 Chandler's huge, too.

00:52:43.000 Chandler's huge, too.

00:52:44.000 Chandler's talking shit about John.

00:52:45.000 It's like, if I fought in MMA, I'd fuck him up.

00:52:48.000 And they're like, oh, shit.

00:52:48.000 They talk shit to each other like that.

00:52:50.000 Yeah, they're brothers.

00:52:51.000 They're supposed to.

00:52:52.000 That's what they're supposed to do.

00:52:53.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:52:54.000 But then when they go home, I bet you John'd be like, yeah, okay, Chandler.

00:52:57.000 Put up that contract.

00:52:58.000 I see how much you're making.

00:52:59.000 I'll fight your ass right here.

00:53:01.000 Let's go on JRE to get a fight.

00:53:05.000 It really is a crazy successful athletic family.

00:53:08.000 I don't know of any other family that has NFL superstars and a world champion combat sports athlete.

00:53:15.000 I can't think of another family like that.

00:53:18.000 That's great.

00:53:20.000 Life's not fair when it comes to things like that.

00:53:23.000 When it comes to genetics, life is not fair.

00:53:26.000 You just gotta work with it.

00:53:27.000 You gotta work with what you got.

00:53:29.000 When you had that situation happen where they were running a bunch of tests on you, they couldn't figure out what was wrong with you, what do you think was going on?

00:53:37.000 You know, what was funny was that July fight, when we was getting ready, it was in Vegas, right?

00:53:44.000 I had to fly to New York.

00:53:46.000 To do my media day.

00:53:48.000 So from Hawaii to New York.

00:53:50.000 12 hours.

00:53:51.000 Yeah.

00:53:51.000 And then we did a 12-hour media.

00:53:53.000 And then we went to Vegas.

00:53:54.000 I think I got to Vegas on Thursday.

00:53:57.000 And then, you know, I just fell out of it.

00:53:59.000 And you were cutting weight at the time, too?

00:54:01.000 Not really cutting weight.

00:54:02.000 Not yet?

00:54:02.000 It was dieting and stuff.

00:54:03.000 And, like, everybody, even the water thing.

00:54:05.000 I drank the load of water fight week.

00:54:07.000 Even before the fight, you know?

00:54:10.000 We drank the load of water, you know?

00:54:11.000 And at the end of the day, like, a couple days passed.

00:54:13.000 And it just wasn't going away, you know?

00:54:15.000 And then, you know?

00:54:17.000 How did you feel?

00:54:18.000 I can tell you exactly what it was.

00:54:20.000 It's something we consumed.

00:54:22.000 Right now, not that much people know that I left my own management.

00:54:26.000 I'm with new management now.

00:54:28.000 My manager now, he's like a behavioral science guy.

00:54:31.000 He's probably watching the stream right now squirming while I'm talking about it.

00:54:35.000 We got stuff going on.

00:54:39.000 We got a bunch of...

00:54:42.000 I'm looking to work with lawyers and stuff, and we plan on suing somebody.

00:54:47.000 There's a bunch of stuff that I really can't talk about.

00:54:50.000 That's why he's squirming back there.

00:54:51.000 I probably shouldn't be talking about it too much, but that's about it.

00:54:54.000 It was something that I consumed.

00:54:56.000 Like a supplement?

00:54:58.000 I don't even know if I can tell you.

00:55:01.000 It'll come out in the wash.

00:55:02.000 For sure.

00:55:03.000 Well, let me know.

00:55:04.000 I will.

00:55:06.000 When is this all supposed to be settled out?

00:55:08.000 We see.

00:55:09.000 I just left that to him.

00:55:11.000 One of the great things that I love with the team is that For me, I'm all about keeping the main thing the main thing.

00:55:18.000 And the main thing for me is fighting and making sure whoever's in front of me, whatever cupcake it is, I can enjoy that cupcake while they go do everything else for me.

00:55:27.000 And you don't have to think about anything else.

00:55:28.000 Nothing at all.

00:55:29.000 That's beautiful.

00:55:30.000 That's the way to do it.

00:55:32.000 If you can have a good team, people that train themselves, I'm like, you can't do that.

00:55:38.000 I talk to them, I talk to my team.

00:55:40.000 I love the chaos.

00:55:41.000 I love chaos around me a little bit.

00:55:44.000 But then they make it so simple.

00:55:46.000 And it's great, but I kind of like to put myself like, I like when things ain't in order, you know?

00:55:51.000 When you come to my house, I love that my room is messy.

00:55:54.000 People might trip out and be like, you have a messy room.

00:55:56.000 I'm like, yeah, but I have somebody come clean it later on.

00:56:00.000 But I just love the chaos.

00:56:03.000 You like being messy?

00:56:04.000 You got to be a little bit messy, you know, just to keep me sane.

00:56:07.000 If I'm too clean, I'm like, things are going too well.

00:56:11.000 Things is going too good.

00:56:14.000 It's like a fight week thing.

00:56:17.000 If something doesn't go wrong fight week, I'm like, nope.

00:56:21.000 This shit ain't happening to me.

00:56:23.000 I'm going to screw something up right now just so we got it.

00:56:27.000 Really?

00:56:28.000 Yeah.

00:56:30.000 Do you like things going perfect?

00:56:31.000 Don't it feel weird when everything goes perfect?

00:56:34.000 I guess I'm just different.

00:56:35.000 No, that is a different way of looking at things that you like a little bit of chaos.

00:56:38.000 I like a little bit of chaos, for sure.

00:56:40.000 I like to know that there's no...

00:56:43.000 I feel like I'm a very, very, very fortunate person.

00:56:48.000 And I like to know that things are crazy and random so I can appreciate my fortune.

00:56:53.000 Yeah.

00:56:53.000 You know what I mean?

00:56:54.000 100%.

00:56:55.000 Exactly.

00:56:55.000 That I'm lucky.

00:56:56.000 Exactly.

00:56:57.000 I love that life is so unpredictable and strange.

00:57:00.000 Life is like MMA. MMA is unpredictable.

00:57:04.000 The most unpredictable thing.

00:57:05.000 And that's why I love it.

00:57:07.000 That's why it's so comparable.

00:57:08.000 That's why a lot of people can kind of compare it.

00:57:10.000 They kind of get it, but they don't.

00:57:12.000 Fighting is in their DNA. Everybody, once they're like, I can't watch this fight, this and that, I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about, because this is like a combat, like, we're licensed.

00:57:23.000 We're like, licensed fighters, this is like, it's not the gladiator days of people, like, cutting each other's head off, like, no, take his life!

00:57:30.000 No, it's not!

00:57:31.000 It's a sport.

00:57:32.000 Yeah, we're past these days, you know, so, at the end of the day, it's just, when they actually, I get it, I I always, like my fans, a bunch of my fans, like old people, even moms.

00:57:41.000 Moms always chip out.

00:57:42.000 I work out.

00:57:43.000 They come to the gym.

00:57:44.000 They see me work out.

00:57:45.000 They actually talk to me.

00:57:46.000 They're like, oh, wow.

00:57:47.000 I didn't think you was like this or whatever.

00:57:49.000 I thought you was like this guy, just an asshole and blah, blah, blah because I was a fighter.

00:57:53.000 I was like, no.

00:57:54.000 We're human beings.

00:57:55.000 What are you talking about?

00:57:57.000 I'm just like you.

00:57:58.000 Well, people think of cage fighters.

00:58:00.000 They think of like the most aggressive, the meanest, nastiest people in the world.

00:58:05.000 Yeah.

00:58:06.000 That's the weirdest thing about fighters in the UFC. They're the nicest people.

00:58:11.000 Cowboy Cerrone is one of the nicest fucking people I know.

00:58:14.000 He hugs everybody.

00:58:15.000 He's a sweetheart.

00:58:16.000 He's fucking nice to everybody.

00:58:18.000 He's one of the baddest motherfuckers ever.

00:58:20.000 He's just so nice.

00:58:21.000 And Gano's a really nice guy.

00:58:23.000 He is.

00:58:23.000 He's super cool.

00:58:24.000 Big, giant, scary motherfucker.

00:58:26.000 Super nice.

00:58:27.000 Real friendly.

00:58:28.000 You know, Cain Velasquez, real nice guy.

00:58:30.000 Cain, yeah.

00:58:31.000 Real nice guy.

00:58:31.000 Cain looks the most scary.

00:58:32.000 Him and Nagano.

00:58:33.000 If you saw him and Nagano in a dark alley, they're coming to you.

00:58:37.000 Hey, what you doing?

00:58:39.000 You wouldn't think they're not going to help you.

00:58:41.000 Yeah, you wouldn't think they're going to be your buddies.

00:58:42.000 But they'd be like, hey, what's up?

00:58:43.000 Yeah.

00:58:44.000 Well, fighters don't have anything to prove.

00:58:46.000 Most men that run around in society, especially men that don't train or know how to fight, they feel like they have a lot to prove.

00:58:52.000 They're always puffing their chest out and talking loud.

00:58:54.000 There's a lot of that with men, particularly with men who don't know how to fight.

00:58:59.000 But fighters, if you're a UFC fighter, man, you've proved it.

00:59:03.000 You don't need to impress people.

00:59:06.000 And also, you're fucking tired from training all the time, too.

00:59:10.000 Oh, yeah, 100%.

00:59:11.000 100%, yeah.

00:59:13.000 Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.

00:59:16.000 Everybody always tells me, like, all my friends, whenever they bring new guys around or new friends that's hanging out, they're, like, asking me about fighting and this and that.

00:59:24.000 Like, they're so, like, cool.

00:59:25.000 They're like, oh, what about this?

00:59:26.000 What about that?

00:59:27.000 I'm like...

00:59:28.000 Guy, what do you do for work?

00:59:30.000 It's like construction.

00:59:30.000 I'm like, well, how's your job site going right now?

00:59:33.000 How's the fork?

00:59:35.000 How's your concrete prices going up?

00:59:38.000 I don't know.

00:59:39.000 They're like, I don't want to talk about that.

00:59:41.000 I was like, exactly.

00:59:42.000 I don't want to talk about fighting, guys.

00:59:44.000 Please, please don't talk about fighting to me.

00:59:46.000 I know, but you got to understand that someone's a fan of yours.

00:59:48.000 They're running to you like, it's Max.

00:59:50.000 Oh shit, Max.

00:59:52.000 And they just want to talk to you.

00:59:53.000 Yeah, then they just laugh and they find out like, look, we actually have a lot more in common than fighting, you know?

00:59:58.000 Like, let's go freaking go race some cars or something.

01:00:00.000 Right, right, right.

01:00:01.000 Do something fun.

01:00:02.000 Yeah.

01:00:02.000 What do you do when you're not in camp?

01:00:05.000 Like now, now that the fight's over, you get a chance to unwind for a while.

01:00:09.000 What's a typical Max Holloway day like?

01:00:12.000 I just lounge around, wait for Mini Bless.

01:00:15.000 Maybe if he's playing sports, take him to sports.

01:00:18.000 He's been liking K1 Speed lately, so we've been going racing.

01:00:21.000 We just got a roller rink in Hawaii.

01:00:24.000 Oh, really?

01:00:24.000 Yeah, like a roller rink.

01:00:25.000 Like an actual roller rink.

01:00:26.000 We had ice skating forever.

01:00:27.000 We got a roller rink.

01:00:29.000 You guys have had ice skating forever in Honolulu?

01:00:31.000 Yeah, in there.

01:00:32.000 That's hilarious.

01:00:33.000 In Pro City, in Oahu.

01:00:35.000 Now we got a roller rink.

01:00:36.000 Me and Mini and a bunch of my friends, we'd be going every day.

01:00:40.000 We'd be trying to get our roll bounce on.

01:00:44.000 In camp, I really can't do it because I don't want to fall out and break my butt or something or a finger.

01:00:49.000 So now we can kind of play around more.

01:00:51.000 Just do fun stuff.

01:00:54.000 I don't have to go to the gym too much.

01:00:55.000 I don't feel bad too if I do miss the gym.

01:00:59.000 My coaches kind of let me off for one or two weeks or so.

01:01:03.000 Yeah.

01:01:04.000 We just hang out.

01:01:04.000 Nice to just unwind.

01:01:07.000 Oh yeah, go to the beach, just chill.

01:01:09.000 And just being able to just go to near 7-Eleven and just get on a Slurpee and drink whatever you want.

01:01:13.000 Drink whatever you want, right?

01:01:15.000 Yeah.

01:01:15.000 And then, a couple weeks after the fight, then you start batting down the hatches again.

01:01:19.000 Oh yeah, getting right back into it, training.

01:01:22.000 And then you start talking to your manager, like, what's next?

01:01:26.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:01:27.000 I call him, I let him know, I tell him, we plan and kind of have an idea.

01:01:32.000 We kind of have an idea now because ever since we heard Dana talking about it, he didn't hit us up yet.

01:01:37.000 What did Dana say?

01:01:38.000 He said at the press conference that he wanted me and Alex in, what is that called?

01:01:44.000 In Australia.

01:01:45.000 I just don't know when.

01:01:46.000 Beautiful.

01:01:47.000 Yeah.

01:01:47.000 Beautiful.

01:01:48.000 Down under.

01:01:49.000 I never went, so that'd be cool.

01:01:50.000 Yeah, Australia's great.

01:01:51.000 I love it there.

01:01:52.000 I've never been to New Zealand.

01:01:53.000 I want to go to New Zealand, but fuck, I love Australia.

01:01:56.000 People are so cool.

01:01:57.000 It's a great place.

01:01:58.000 You know, it's relaxed, man.

01:02:00.000 There's only 20 million people, and it's a place the size of the entire United States.

01:02:05.000 For real?

01:02:06.000 Yeah.

01:02:06.000 I didn't know that.

01:02:07.000 There's less people in the whole of Australia than in LA. That's crazy.

01:02:13.000 That's crazy.

01:02:13.000 That is crazy.

01:02:14.000 California as a whole has way more people than Australia.

01:02:18.000 That's crazy.

01:02:18.000 Way more.

01:02:19.000 Yeah, but LA has more people than Australia.

01:02:22.000 And if you have a census, those fucking people that have a census, oh, the census says there's only 20 million people.

01:02:28.000 Bitch, you're not counting Mexicans.

01:02:29.000 You are not counting Mexicans.

01:02:31.000 You're never going to count them.

01:02:32.000 They come over here.

01:02:33.000 They're sneaking around.

01:02:34.000 They're doing whatever they want to do.

01:02:36.000 I'm happy they're here, but you don't know how many there are.

01:02:39.000 I'm happy they're here.

01:02:40.000 I'm happy they're here.

01:02:42.000 You know where we're going after this?

01:02:44.000 Dollar tacos, baby.

01:02:45.000 Dude, there's a great place over here.

01:02:47.000 I'll show you a place.

01:02:48.000 Yeah, tell us.

01:02:49.000 There's this burrito spot.

01:02:50.000 Legit as fuck.

01:02:51.000 They got all those Mexican soap operas playing.

01:02:53.000 Nobody speaks English.

01:02:55.000 Fucking Mexican food off the charts.

01:02:58.000 So good.

01:02:59.000 Some horchata.

01:03:00.000 Look, I'm a giant fan.

01:03:01.000 Mexican food is probably my favorite food.

01:03:03.000 But my point is, they don't know how many are here.

01:03:06.000 There could be another 10 million.

01:03:07.000 There might be 30 million people here.

01:03:09.000 They have no idea.

01:03:10.000 Either way, it's more than the whole of Australia.

01:03:13.000 Definitely.

01:03:14.000 That's heavy.

01:03:16.000 But that's why Australia is so cool.

01:03:18.000 They're not all stressed out.

01:03:20.000 There's too many people together in one spot.

01:03:22.000 I was driving here today and some dude cut me off.

01:03:26.000 When we was driving here, someone just like, the hair just cut us off.

01:03:33.000 I was like, welcome to LA, baby.

01:03:35.000 They're tense.

01:03:36.000 They did a study once where they set cameras up on one side of the street and then on another side of the street.

01:03:42.000 And they measured the distance between the two cameras.

01:03:48.000 And they measured how fast people were walking from one camera to the next.

01:03:52.000 And through the speed of their walking, they could determine accurately how many people live in the city.

01:03:59.000 So it's a direct response to too many people.

01:04:02.000 People start moving faster and more aggressive and more tense and they walk faster.

01:04:08.000 You could literally set a camera up on a block and within a couple of hours they could tell you how many people live in that city just by how fast they walk.

01:04:17.000 That's crazy.

01:04:18.000 Crazy?

01:04:18.000 Technology is nuts.

01:04:19.000 Also how fast they talk.

01:04:21.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

01:04:22.000 Yeah.

01:04:22.000 That's crazy.

01:04:23.000 Yeah, technology is insane.

01:04:26.000 Thank you, brother.

01:04:27.000 Do you need to blow your nose?

01:04:28.000 Nah, after.

01:04:29.000 Oh, okay.

01:04:30.000 What happened?

01:04:31.000 He saw something.

01:04:31.000 James saw something I didn't see.

01:04:33.000 Oh.

01:04:33.000 You clever bastard.

01:04:35.000 Smart.

01:04:36.000 Yeah, no, technology is amazing.

01:04:37.000 But that's just, you know, you live in Oahu?

01:04:40.000 Yeah.

01:04:41.000 There's a lot of people in Honolulu, right?

01:04:43.000 Oh, yes.

01:04:43.000 That's like a million people, right?

01:04:44.000 I live in Waianae.

01:04:46.000 Oh, okay.

01:04:47.000 So if you put that camera you're talking about in Waianae, people are less stressful.

01:04:53.000 We just be chilling.

01:04:55.000 People would be walking slowly.

01:04:57.000 They'd be like, oh my gosh, people's living it over here.

01:04:59.000 They're loving it.

01:05:00.000 That video of you that they play where you were a really young kid, where you were just getting into fighting.

01:05:06.000 I was 15 years old.

01:05:10.000 I was 11th grade.

01:05:11.000 We shot that when I was 11th grade.

01:05:13.000 And that's when MySpace was popping.

01:05:16.000 Wow.

01:05:16.000 MySpace.

01:05:17.000 Did you have a MySpace?

01:05:18.000 I had a MySpace.

01:05:19.000 Who was in your top eight?

01:05:22.000 My old trainer at the time.

01:05:26.000 My boy who got me into fighting, Josh Keanu.

01:05:29.000 One of my friends, Birdie Bird.

01:05:32.000 This guy named Shaysan Lopolo.

01:05:35.000 My older brother and my younger brother.

01:05:37.000 One of my cousins and then another cousin.

01:05:39.000 I remember my whole top 8. And then you got to change to top 16 and 24. And you started getting wild.

01:05:45.000 And then people was getting mad when you top 8. Like, who is 1?

01:05:49.000 Who is 2?

01:05:50.000 Right, right.

01:05:51.000 And I make the 16 one.

01:05:53.000 I'm like, bro, you should just be happy you're on there.

01:05:54.000 Right, people get mad.

01:05:56.000 Yeah, people get mad.

01:05:56.000 It was crazy.

01:05:57.000 Everybody wanted to be your number one.

01:05:59.000 Yeah, but then what's funny about that video, because at the end of that video, they showed, in the countdown, they showed me saying, like, if you're a loser, it's like, if you try, at least you win in your book, you know, whatever, that loser quote.

01:06:12.000 Yeah.

01:06:12.000 That quote was, like, on people's bios, you know, like, the bio, you know, you could put a quote or whatever, a status, and that was people's bios, so I was like, yeah, your boy made it, because then...

01:06:22.000 They did it for...

01:06:23.000 They made...

01:06:24.000 That was a national...

01:06:25.000 It won nationally.

01:06:26.000 It was for the STN Awards.

01:06:27.000 Oh.

01:06:28.000 When the schools come up and they do stuff and whatever.

01:06:32.000 It's here in California whenever they do.

01:06:34.000 And I was supposed to go.

01:06:35.000 That was my 11th grade year and I was kind of mad that I wasn't able to get it, but...

01:06:41.000 It was just cool.

01:06:44.000 It's got to be weird looking at yourself when you're 15, talking about, you know...

01:06:49.000 Oh yeah, sup brada?

01:06:50.000 That's how I was talking.

01:06:51.000 It's terrible.

01:06:53.000 My accent was like...

01:06:55.000 I still have an accent, but...

01:06:57.000 I still talk mok a lot, but like...

01:06:59.000 You still what would you say?

01:07:01.000 Do you talk what?

01:07:01.000 Talk mok.

01:07:02.000 Mok?

01:07:03.000 Yeah, mok is like...

01:07:04.000 Or pigeon.

01:07:05.000 Okay.

01:07:05.000 Is when like...

01:07:07.000 Actually, I can talk two languages.

01:07:09.000 I can talk...

01:07:09.000 Pigeon is actually a language now.

01:07:11.000 Is it really?

01:07:12.000 Yeah, they made a language.

01:07:13.000 Really?

01:07:14.000 Yeah, Google it.

01:07:15.000 How much different is it, like if you were going to say something to Jamie, like if you were going to say, Jamie, hey Jamie, my car is coming soon, I got to get the fuck out of here.

01:07:23.000 I'd be like, oh, what's up you fucker, where's my car?

01:07:26.000 Oh, that's normal.

01:07:27.000 What's up you fucker, where's my car?

01:07:28.000 That sounds like you're from here.

01:07:34.000 Hawaii is a strange place because I feel like it should be its own country.

01:07:37.000 I really do.

01:07:38.000 But I like the fact that it's protected by the United States.

01:07:41.000 You know Dana had to approve me walking out with my flag.

01:07:47.000 Really?

01:07:47.000 They wasn't going to let me walk out with the Hawaiian flag.

01:07:50.000 Why?

01:07:52.000 In Vegas?

01:07:55.000 When I first started doing it.

01:07:57.000 What?

01:07:57.000 Because that's when the Reebok came out.

01:07:59.000 I couldn't put a Hawaiian flag on my shorts or anything.

01:08:01.000 So I was like, I'm going to walk out the flag and then Reebok was stopping it.

01:08:05.000 They was like, you can't because it's a state flag.

01:08:07.000 What does that have to do with anything?

01:08:08.000 Yeah, and then I was like, what?

01:08:10.000 I was like, no, no, no.

01:08:11.000 We could talk to Dana.

01:08:12.000 So you could come out with, like if you're from Nigeria, you can come out with a country flag?

01:08:16.000 Yeah, only country flag.

01:08:17.000 Yeah, no state flag.

01:08:18.000 And then Dana White then talked to Dana then and they told me, they was like, Dana texted me and he said, yeah, that's stupid as shit, kid.

01:08:27.000 Just walk with it.

01:08:29.000 It was like, come on.

01:08:30.000 Let this kid represent Hawaii.

01:08:32.000 Like how you said, because he said Hawaii is like their own people.

01:08:36.000 Just let them represent.

01:08:38.000 And then they did it.

01:08:39.000 It's five hours in a plane across the ocean.

01:08:44.000 That shit is barely America.

01:08:46.000 Hawaii is amazing.

01:08:47.000 I love it.

01:08:48.000 It's one of my favorite places to visit.

01:08:50.000 I go there three, four times a year.

01:08:51.000 I love Hawaii.

01:08:52.000 But that is not America.

01:08:54.000 I love that they're protected by America.

01:08:56.000 I love that they have all the rights.

01:08:59.000 I love all that, but...

01:09:02.000 I feel very strongly that they should have their own.

01:09:05.000 It should be sovereign.

01:09:06.000 It's their own thing, man.

01:09:09.000 How the fuck are you going to claim something that it takes five hours to get to on a plane that's not even attached?

01:09:16.000 Fuck it.

01:09:17.000 It's crazy.

01:09:20.000 But again, I love that it's protected by America.

01:09:23.000 I love that we're considered to be from the same country.

01:09:26.000 I love all that.

01:09:27.000 But every time I go to Hawaii, I'm like, come on, man.

01:09:30.000 This is their own place.

01:09:31.000 People just differ in here.

01:09:32.000 They're Hawaiians.

01:09:33.000 Like, if you go to North Dakota, you can't look at someone and go, oh, that's a North Dakotan.

01:09:38.000 Right?

01:09:39.000 You go to Hawaii, you're like, oh, that dude's Hawaiian.

01:09:41.000 That's a Hawaiian guy.

01:09:43.000 You know, Polynesian.

01:09:44.000 I mean, there's so many people in Hawaii that they're clearly Hawaiian.

01:09:51.000 You know?

01:09:52.000 100%.

01:09:52.000 Yeah, I mean, there's no state like that.

01:09:55.000 There's no other state.

01:09:56.000 Zero.

01:09:56.000 Well, you look at them.

01:09:57.000 101. Like even Alaska!

01:10:00.000 Alaska, you don't look at someone...

01:10:02.000 I mean, they have a full beard, flannel coat, fucking moose leg over their shoulder.

01:10:06.000 Maybe that's in Alaska.

01:10:08.000 But you're guessing.

01:10:09.000 He might have moved there.

01:10:11.000 Yeah.

01:10:11.000 He might just be a mountain man and moved there.

01:10:14.000 100%.

01:10:15.000 It's a great place, though.

01:10:16.000 There's a thing about Hawaiians that they have like a...

01:10:20.000 When you're on an island and you're surrounded by ocean, there's like a reverence for nature that Hawaiians have that I really like.

01:10:28.000 Yeah, you never see my Hiker Holloway?

01:10:31.000 What is that?

01:10:32.000 Hiker Holloway.

01:10:33.000 Hiker Holloway?

01:10:34.000 Yeah, I got a YouTube.

01:10:34.000 We got a guy named Hiker Holloway.

01:10:36.000 Who's Hiker Holloway?

01:10:37.000 You're looking at the man.

01:10:38.000 You?

01:10:40.000 You have a YouTube video where you just hike?

01:10:42.000 Hiker Holloway.

01:10:43.000 Oh, look at this!

01:10:44.000 There it is!

01:10:45.000 Hiker Holloway surviving in the middle of this.

01:10:47.000 What the fuck is this?

01:10:49.000 Oh, this is the shit you did recently.

01:10:50.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:51.000 You did this in Vegas, right?

01:10:52.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:53.000 This is Red Rock Cannon.

01:10:54.000 Isn't that funny that Red Rock, like, just outside of Vegas, it's like a whole other world.

01:10:57.000 Like, you might as well be on Mars.

01:10:59.000 Yeah, it is.

01:11:00.000 It looks like Mara.

01:11:01.000 It's just crazy.

01:11:02.000 But I just give you survival tips and all that stuff.

01:11:04.000 Go to YouTube, guys.

01:11:07.000 I break down plants.

01:11:09.000 There's a plant that you probably see in there.

01:11:11.000 What plant?

01:11:12.000 It's called a ladder tree, but you need to go and see stuff.

01:11:18.000 Do you actually know what you're talking about?

01:11:19.000 You're just talking shit.

01:11:20.000 You gotta go see it for yourself.

01:11:22.000 Okay, I'll check it out.

01:11:23.000 Hiker Holloway surviving in the wilderness.

01:11:26.000 All Max S. Max S. All Max is coming to me live and direct, my friend.

01:11:32.000 I like it.

01:11:33.000 All Max is.

01:11:34.000 Do you surf?

01:11:35.000 A little bit.

01:11:36.000 A little bit?

01:11:36.000 You have to surf.

01:11:37.000 He's from Hawaii, right?

01:11:38.000 Yeah, a little bit.

01:11:39.000 They get mad if you don't.

01:11:40.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:11:40.000 I mean, the countdown people came, they shot, and they didn't get me on the best waves.

01:11:46.000 I was like, wow.

01:11:48.000 I was like, guys, I caught at least 20 waves, and you guys put the four that I sucked on?

01:11:52.000 Yeah.

01:11:54.000 What are we doing?

01:11:55.000 They're doing that on purpose.

01:11:56.000 What are we doing here?

01:11:57.000 They're doing that on purpose.

01:11:58.000 They're trying to say he's not great at everything.

01:12:00.000 Or I could have actually only caught that four waves and I could be lying.

01:12:03.000 So we don't know what you're doing.

01:12:06.000 I'm going to keep you guys up to you guys and keep it guessing.

01:12:10.000 Surfing is an interesting thing, right?

01:12:12.000 Because you're in their world.

01:12:13.000 You're in the water world.

01:12:14.000 Oh, yeah.

01:12:16.000 So, I know all the big wave surfers and Makul Rothman, and they always tell me, or even when I see my friends that are surfing, Zeke Lau, Keanu Singh, and they come up to me and they tell me, man, fighting is so crazy.

01:12:30.000 I'm like, guy!

01:12:31.000 Surfing is crazy.

01:12:33.000 And they're like, no, fighting is crazy.

01:12:34.000 I was like, guy, I'm fighting with a human being and I kind of can control what they do at certain times and what I do and this and that.

01:12:41.000 Like, when you're surfing, you're fighting Mother Nature, my guy.

01:12:44.000 Like, you fall off your board.

01:12:46.000 And if Mother Nature just feels like, I'm just going to throw you three times, you're going to get thrown three times, bro.

01:12:51.000 Did you see that video that Dana put up on his Instagram recently?

01:12:54.000 The one of the big That was on Maui, I think.

01:12:56.000 I think that was on Maui.

01:12:57.000 That was a big wave contest.

01:12:58.000 That's like a 50-foot wave that dude got smashed by.

01:13:01.000 Is that guy alright?

01:13:02.000 I think he's fine.

01:13:03.000 Yeah, I didn't know.

01:13:05.000 I just saw that.

01:13:06.000 I saw it because Dana posted.

01:13:07.000 I saw a bunch of my surfing friends post it.

01:13:09.000 That is the number one nightmare.

01:13:11.000 This guy gets on the board and right away he's slipping and just goes down immediately.

01:13:16.000 Watch this shit.

01:13:17.000 Here it goes.

01:13:19.000 Boom!

01:13:20.000 Look how small the board looked to that wave.

01:13:24.000 The weight of that water.

01:13:26.000 And he's got one of those vests on where you pop up, right?

01:13:29.000 Yeah, but that's the next thing I was going to bring up.

01:13:31.000 Yeah, you got to pop up a vest, but I talked to my friend and stuff that does some of this.

01:13:35.000 You don't know if it's going to pop when you go under the water.

01:13:39.000 What if it malfunctions?

01:13:42.000 Look at him wiping there.

01:13:43.000 Boom!

01:13:44.000 Jesus Christ.

01:13:45.000 Small his board look to the wall.

01:13:46.000 God, it looks like nothing.

01:13:48.000 Yeah.

01:13:48.000 That is probably a 50-foot wave.

01:13:51.000 That is fucking crazy.

01:13:53.000 That is terrible.

01:13:56.000 I'm so scared.

01:13:57.000 And that's a real surfer.

01:13:59.000 That's a real professional.

01:14:01.000 Yeah, that's a contest that just happened.

01:14:03.000 Oh, fuck.

01:14:04.000 So my buddy, Kenny, he just went to Texas, in Waco, Texas.

01:14:10.000 They got one of those indoor wave things.

01:14:13.000 Yeah.

01:14:13.000 In Waco, Texas.

01:14:15.000 So he said it was amazing.

01:14:16.000 Oh, yeah.

01:14:17.000 So he's flying into Texas.

01:14:18.000 He gets off the airplane.

01:14:19.000 He's got fucking surfboards, him and his buddies.

01:14:21.000 And everybody's going, looking at them.

01:14:23.000 What are you doing?

01:14:24.000 You're at the wrong place, man.

01:14:26.000 You took the wrong flight.

01:14:28.000 Before this fight, I was harassing Kelly.

01:14:31.000 Kelly Slater?

01:14:32.000 Yeah, Kelly was at Pipe.

01:14:33.000 He was hitting me up and he was doing something.

01:14:35.000 So he was calling me, seeing what I was doing.

01:14:37.000 I was in camp, so I couldn't meet him.

01:14:39.000 And I told him I was harassing him.

01:14:41.000 I was like, I'm coming to the surf ranch.

01:14:42.000 He's like, let me know.

01:14:43.000 We go to the surf ranch.

01:14:44.000 I want to go to his surf ranch.

01:14:46.000 That's up here, right?

01:14:47.000 That's a couple hours from here.

01:14:48.000 Yeah, a couple hours from here.

01:14:50.000 His one is in California.

01:14:51.000 Yeah, where's his near?

01:14:53.000 It's near Fresno or something like that?

01:14:55.000 Central Valley, so...

01:14:56.000 Central Valley?

01:14:57.000 So that's like two hours from here or so?

01:15:00.000 Something like that?

01:15:00.000 Maybe three or four.

01:15:01.000 Three?

01:15:01.000 Yeah.

01:15:02.000 Yeah, that looks amazing, man.

01:15:04.000 So much fun.

01:15:04.000 That's a way to learn how to surf.

01:15:05.000 We gotta go.

01:15:05.000 That's dope.

01:15:06.000 Bro, I can't even wakeboard.

01:15:08.000 Wakeboarding is harder.

01:15:10.000 Is it?

01:15:10.000 Yeah, because you've got to get your ass up on the thing, at least.

01:15:13.000 This one you can paddle and kind of stand up.

01:15:15.000 Oh, okay.

01:15:16.000 Wakeboarding is kind of hard.

01:15:18.000 Yeah, it is hard.

01:15:19.000 But you're an athlete.

01:15:20.000 You can do everything.

01:15:21.000 Come on.

01:15:21.000 With time.

01:15:22.000 Yeah.

01:15:23.000 I don't have time to get into surfing.

01:15:25.000 My fear of surfing...

01:15:26.000 Look, this is the machine.

01:15:27.000 This is him surfing with this thing.

01:15:30.000 Fucking how crazy is that?

01:15:32.000 You can learn how to surf so much quicker this way.

01:15:35.000 You know, because you don't have to fuck with all the things that everybody else has to fuck with, like waiting for waves.

01:15:41.000 You could, look at that.

01:15:42.000 Look at riding that tube.

01:15:43.000 That's so dope.

01:15:44.000 That's so crazy.

01:15:45.000 No sharks, right?

01:15:46.000 Good point.

01:15:46.000 Very good point, Jamie.

01:15:48.000 No turtles.

01:15:49.000 No nothing.

01:15:50.000 No nothing.

01:15:51.000 Yeah, but it's just you learn.

01:15:52.000 It's all about the balance, right?

01:15:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:15:54.000 Like learning the balance.

01:15:55.000 They say that riding that wave is a little bit different, though.

01:15:57.000 Oh, really?

01:15:57.000 Yeah, it's a little bit different from like a normal wave.

01:16:00.000 It feels a little bit different.

01:16:00.000 Like running on a treadmill versus running on the street?

01:16:03.000 Yeah.

01:16:03.000 Yeah, I think so the power of the wave is a little bit more different than how it actually feels.

01:16:08.000 Yeah, a little more predictable.

01:16:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:16:09.000 Yeah, that's what it is.

01:16:11.000 Yeah.

01:16:11.000 Fuck.

01:16:12.000 It seems like a good hack though, right?

01:16:14.000 Yeah, it is a good hack.

01:16:15.000 I would love to.

01:16:16.000 Well, if you're a guy like Kelly or Shane Dorian, someone who really knows how to surf, that's probably good practice.

01:16:22.000 You just need practice.

01:16:22.000 Yeah, just practice.

01:16:24.000 Just stay on it.

01:16:25.000 How much do you think it costs to make one of those things?

01:16:27.000 Oh, a bunch.

01:16:27.000 That's got to be expensive as fuck.

01:16:29.000 It's a bunch.

01:16:29.000 And then you need the motor or whatever that's going to...

01:16:32.000 That thing, it looks like a train is pushing.

01:16:35.000 Oh, it must be.

01:16:36.000 You see the side of it?

01:16:37.000 The one that they have in Waco is supposed to be bigger than that, even.

01:16:41.000 The one they have in Waco is supposed to be gigantic.

01:16:42.000 What are you laughing at, Jamie?

01:16:44.000 It's not cheap to visit.

01:16:46.000 How much does it cost?

01:16:47.000 It says customers pay $10,000 to surf for an hour.

01:16:50.000 Oh, gosh.

01:16:51.000 What?

01:16:53.000 That is expensive.

01:16:54.000 Wait a minute, what?

01:16:55.000 This is the ESPN video they made about her.

01:16:58.000 It says you can surf 100 miles inland for $10,000.

01:17:01.000 Kelly Slater trying to get...

01:17:03.000 Kelly Slater getting his money back real quick.

01:17:07.000 To have a lake in the middle of the desert that's clean and safe.

01:17:10.000 Right, but $10,000 for an hour?

01:17:11.000 You can suck all the dicks.

01:17:13.000 Well, there's employees you gotta pay for.

01:17:15.000 Yeah, you can suck all the dicks.

01:17:17.000 Maybe you gotta heat it so it's not cold or...

01:17:19.000 I got some cash, but I ain't spending $10,000 to surf for an hour.

01:17:23.000 But if I was a professional surfer, look at the stars who have done it.

01:17:26.000 Eddie Vedder, Tony Hawk, Chris Hemsworth.

01:17:28.000 Chris Hemsworth.

01:17:29.000 Thor.

01:17:30.000 They had Thor surfing there.

01:17:31.000 Yeah, Thor went there.

01:17:32.000 You think Thor paid $10,000?

01:17:34.000 I bet he didn't.

01:17:34.000 I think Thor just, you know, used his hammer and just...

01:17:37.000 It's like, nah, you keep...

01:17:38.000 Hit the water.

01:17:39.000 Boom!

01:17:40.000 Yeah?

01:17:40.000 I'm here to surf.

01:17:42.000 Yeah, that's a lot of money, man.

01:17:44.000 Is it really that much?

01:17:45.000 That can't be right.

01:17:46.000 Who knows?

01:17:46.000 That can't be right.

01:17:47.000 $10,000 for an hour?

01:17:48.000 Really?

01:17:49.000 I don't know.

01:17:49.000 It was a YouTube, so maybe it might be clickbait.

01:17:52.000 ESPN's YouTube, not that they're...

01:17:53.000 ESPN's not really clickbait.

01:17:55.000 100% legit source, but it's a pretty good one.

01:17:57.000 Well, it must be fucking expensive as shit to run, but it makes sense.

01:18:01.000 I mean, look, it's probably got a crazy motor that powers that fucking thing.

01:18:05.000 I feel like when he was here, though, he said it's private, too, so maybe you have to call someone to turn it on.

01:18:09.000 That makes more sense.

01:18:11.000 That makes more sense.

01:18:12.000 Well, that's probably how they keep people out.

01:18:13.000 Listen, bitch, $10,000 an hour.

01:18:15.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:18:16.000 Yeah, I gotta go.

01:18:17.000 Yeah, thank you.

01:18:18.000 I'll call my friend and see what's up.

01:18:20.000 Let me check him out.

01:18:21.000 Do you see the way my account is set up right now?

01:18:24.000 All right.

01:18:25.000 I just Googled this just so we know.

01:18:27.000 Okay.

01:18:27.000 General admission tickets are $99 a day.

01:18:30.000 Oh!

01:18:31.000 That's a big deal.

01:18:32.000 That's a clickbait.

01:18:34.000 That must have been for the private stars.

01:18:35.000 Oh, that makes sense.

01:18:37.000 So if you want to use the whole thing just for yourself.

01:18:40.000 That's probably what's going on.

01:18:41.000 Okay, that makes sense.

01:18:41.000 That makes a lot more sense.

01:18:43.000 Sorry, Kelly.

01:18:46.000 He's probably going, what the fuck?

01:18:47.000 I thought we were friends.

01:18:49.000 10,000 bucks.

01:18:50.000 But that makes sense if you want to rent the whole thing.

01:18:53.000 If you want to rent out the roller place, if you want to roller skate for a whole day, it'll probably cost you 10 grand.

01:18:58.000 No way!

01:18:59.000 I'd be like, no!

01:19:01.000 Come on!

01:19:01.000 If you want it all for yourself, for a party, how much do you think that if you said, listen, nobody can come here, it's just me, I bet they would want a lot of money.

01:19:09.000 You think so?

01:19:10.000 Yes, man.

01:19:10.000 I've rented out places for my kids.

01:19:12.000 It's not cheap, man.

01:19:14.000 You want to rent out a place like a bouncy house place?

01:19:16.000 Yeah, we're in Hawaii.

01:19:17.000 We're in LA. Yeah, you're in LA too.

01:19:19.000 We're in Hawaii too.

01:19:20.000 Things are expensive in Hawaii, man.

01:19:22.000 So you might be right.

01:19:23.000 Dude, Lanai is crazy.

01:19:25.000 Come on, I know a guy.

01:19:25.000 I know Joe Rogan.

01:19:26.000 I'll shout you out the next time we go.

01:19:28.000 We'll shout you out.

01:19:30.000 We'll shout you out, man.

01:19:32.000 Lanai, we were there.

01:19:33.000 We saw strawberries that were like seven bucks for a little package of strawberries.

01:19:36.000 I was like, whoa.

01:19:37.000 But it makes sense.

01:19:38.000 How the fuck are you going to get strawberries there?

01:19:39.000 You see how much milk is there?

01:19:40.000 Yeah.

01:19:41.000 Crazy.

01:19:42.000 I don't drink milk anymore, but it's about like $15.

01:19:45.000 But the folks who live on Lanai are telling me Amazon Prime is the shit.

01:19:49.000 They don't have to shop.

01:19:51.000 Everything's flown into them.

01:19:53.000 Nice.

01:19:53.000 I'm like, oh, that makes sense.

01:19:54.000 Because the planes are coming there every day.

01:19:56.000 Just load up some of your stuff on planes.

01:19:58.000 You don't have to...

01:19:59.000 Because otherwise, they have to go to Maui or somewhere.

01:20:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:20:03.000 100%.

01:20:03.000 You know?

01:20:04.000 Yeah.

01:20:05.000 Do you think you can live on one of them little islands like that?

01:20:07.000 Because you live where a lot of people live.

01:20:09.000 Like, you're in Hawaii.

01:20:10.000 Yeah, we live a bit far off.

01:20:12.000 No.

01:20:14.000 Hiker Holloway is only a couple hours kind of thing.

01:20:17.000 You know what I mean?

01:20:19.000 I'm going to keep it real for the boys.

01:20:21.000 Hiker Holloway is a 10 minute video log for YouTube, my guys.

01:20:25.000 After that, I'm right back to Gadget Holloway.

01:20:28.000 Gadget Holloway?

01:20:29.000 Yeah.

01:20:29.000 Are you into gadgets?

01:20:31.000 I'm into technology, my friend.

01:20:34.000 Are you really?

01:20:34.000 Yeah.

01:20:35.000 What kind of shit?

01:20:35.000 What are you into?

01:20:36.000 Whatever.

01:20:37.000 If it's cool.

01:20:38.000 Phones and computers.

01:20:40.000 Yeah.

01:20:40.000 Video games.

01:20:41.000 I love playing video games.

01:20:43.000 Oh, man.

01:20:43.000 That's my Kryptonite video games.

01:20:45.000 What game are you playing?

01:20:47.000 Well, we were playing Quake Champions, but I got a real problem.

01:20:50.000 What's the matter?

01:20:51.000 We wanted to get back in yesterday.

01:20:52.000 I was thinking about it yesterday.

01:20:54.000 We were talking about it.

01:20:54.000 I was like, one more game, we'll play one more game.

01:20:56.000 I have a very addictive personality.

01:20:59.000 You're a PCer?

01:20:59.000 Yeah, a PC game.

01:21:00.000 Yeah, too hard.

01:21:02.000 I tried to do it for me, and then I was like, man, because I wanted to get into it, but it's too hard for me.

01:21:07.000 And then I get frustrated when people...

01:21:10.000 Fuck you up?

01:21:12.000 Yeah, I'm like, guy, come on.

01:21:14.000 Come on, guy.

01:21:15.000 Send me location.

01:21:19.000 Send me location.

01:21:21.000 That might be one of the greatest things that anyone's ever said when someone said they want to fight them.

01:21:24.000 Send location.

01:21:25.000 Send me location.

01:21:26.000 That was good.

01:21:28.000 Those little things, those little Xbox and PlayStation controllers, they're not as accurate.

01:21:33.000 No, not at all.

01:21:35.000 You can tell.

01:21:35.000 So I was playing, when I was playing 4 and I was playing PC before they had to cosplay.

01:21:41.000 Now you can play with everybody to your PlayStation 4, but I'll just put my controller in.

01:21:46.000 And you could tell, when I was playing with the mouse and stuff, you could tell the accuracy was way different.

01:21:54.000 Now you use your controller and stuff, the delay is very small, but you can feel the delay.

01:21:59.000 I'm like, I turned around already!

01:22:01.000 It's just not accurate enough.

01:22:04.000 And even with your movements, right?

01:22:06.000 Like the movements with the keyboard, especially a mechanical keyboard.

01:22:09.000 I feel like I can really calculate what I'm doing within...

01:22:14.000 Inches, centimeters.

01:22:15.000 That's dope.

01:22:16.000 That's dope.

01:22:16.000 I didn't know you was a gamer.

01:22:18.000 Oh, I was addicted.

01:22:19.000 That's awesome.

01:22:19.000 Super addicted.

01:22:20.000 I used to play eight hours a day.

01:22:21.000 I used to play online.

01:22:22.000 I had a T1 line installed in my house.

01:22:24.000 Did you stream and stuff?

01:22:24.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:25.000 That's dope.

01:22:25.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:27.000 That's so dope.

01:22:27.000 I lived in the wilderness, and there was no fucking good internet.

01:22:32.000 So I had a T1 line installed in my house.

01:22:34.000 They had to dig into the ground, took forever, lay pipes and shit so that I could get a good gaming line.

01:22:41.000 That's so dope.

01:22:42.000 You're a legend.

01:22:43.000 Yeah.

01:22:43.000 I'm a moron.

01:22:44.000 No, I'm a moron.

01:22:45.000 No, bro, I was playing eight hours a day.

01:22:47.000 You are a legend of morons.

01:22:49.000 How about that?

01:22:49.000 Thank you.

01:22:50.000 I appreciate that.

01:22:51.000 That's accurate.

01:22:51.000 And I got to the point where I was like, I got to stop.

01:22:54.000 I quit for a long time.

01:22:56.000 I had to stop playing games because that's what I do.

01:22:59.000 I'll train, be gone all day, get home, play for another four hours, screwing up my sleep, and whatever.

01:23:07.000 Because Modern Warfare came out during this fight camp.

01:23:12.000 And, like, the new one, I was playing, and then I was, like, I was playing, I was loving it, and then, like, the last three weeks of camp, I was, like, yeah, or the last four weeks, I was, like, yeah, I gotta stop playing.

01:23:21.000 Like, there's no way, like, I gotta put this down.

01:23:23.000 So I turn it down.

01:23:24.000 Yeah, because, like, you just get lost track of time.

01:23:26.000 Like, I don't play story mode.

01:23:27.000 Like, I'm a guy, like, I just want to get...

01:23:28.000 I love Fortnite and then even Call of Duty, because then you can...

01:23:32.000 You pretty much have all the same guns, and you just get in there, and you can just start battling with guys, and, like, it's competitive, you know?

01:23:38.000 Yes.

01:23:39.000 Yeah.

01:23:39.000 And so that's what I liked, you know, just being competitive.

01:23:42.000 And then I was like, man, I didn't play for 10 plus years.

01:23:47.000 And then we set up, we had a land room in there, in the back.

01:23:50.000 Oh, yeah?

01:23:51.000 Yeah, dude, it was a real problem.

01:23:52.000 And so once we started playing, I was playing every fucking day, hours and hours and hours.

01:23:58.000 Jamie, you played, you had it for like, what, two years?

01:24:01.000 And Jeff and I logged in more hours?

01:24:05.000 On the, just that game, yeah, for sure.

01:24:07.000 We logged in more hours in how long?

01:24:10.000 Two months?

01:24:10.000 Three months?

01:24:11.000 More than two years of him playing.

01:24:13.000 60 days, basically.

01:24:14.000 Playing four hours a day.

01:24:16.000 Yeah, he's nuts.

01:24:17.000 And that was just because I only had four hours a day.

01:24:20.000 Like, if I didn't have to go somewhere, I would have been there all night.

01:24:23.000 I'd come here on days off.

01:24:24.000 I'd come here, work out, I'd come here, hit the bag, do some rounds on the bag, and then I wound up playing four or five hours online.

01:24:30.000 And I was like, fuck, I gotta stop doing this.

01:24:32.000 I get a text, hey, what are you doing?

01:24:34.000 You're busy, you wanna play some games?

01:24:36.000 I text Jamie, I'm like, come on, bro, let's go do this!

01:24:40.000 It's the best, though.

01:24:41.000 It's the best.

01:24:42.000 It's too crazy.

01:24:43.000 It is crazy, though.

01:24:44.000 It's super addictive.

01:24:45.000 My brain is not good for that.

01:24:47.000 But you see what the kids are making now?

01:24:48.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:49.000 They're making real money.

01:24:49.000 Oh, my gosh.

01:24:51.000 Millions.

01:24:53.000 Playing video games.

01:24:54.000 Fit plays.

01:24:54.000 No leg kicks.

01:24:55.000 Did you see?

01:24:55.000 Yeah.

01:24:56.000 Did you see?

01:24:56.000 Did you see what's his name?

01:24:58.000 Sean O'Malley gave like 15 plays and he made like more or whatever.

01:25:01.000 They're saying like they did a comparison of how much he made, like $27,000, $27,500,000.

01:25:07.000 Versus his fights?

01:25:08.000 Yeah, versus his fights.

01:25:08.000 They did it.

01:25:09.000 They compared it to his fights.

01:25:10.000 I was like, what?

01:25:11.000 That's crazy.

01:25:12.000 He could be a professional Fortnite-er.

01:25:14.000 Fortnite-er!

01:25:15.000 Yeah.

01:25:15.000 He's good, too.

01:25:16.000 I saw a couple of his streams.

01:25:18.000 Wow.

01:25:19.000 Well, he had to do something right.

01:25:20.000 Didn't he get fucked over by a banned supplement?

01:25:23.000 Yeah.

01:25:24.000 Sean O'Malley says he makes around $4,500 a month through gaming.

01:25:27.000 Gaming.

01:25:28.000 It's over a year ago.

01:25:30.000 Oh, he's probably making more now.

01:25:31.000 He just won, I think it was $27,500.

01:25:35.000 He gave it all to a charity.

01:25:37.000 Really?

01:25:37.000 He came 14th place or 8th place, something like that.

01:25:39.000 But he gave it all to a charity.

01:25:40.000 Yeah, he's the man.

01:25:41.000 I like that kid a lot.

01:25:42.000 He's a legend, yeah.

01:25:42.000 Yeah, I like him a lot.

01:25:44.000 Yeah, and then I think the thing that he got caught was with, I think it was marijuana or something.

01:25:49.000 Was it?

01:25:50.000 No.

01:25:50.000 Yeah, I think that's what it was.

01:25:52.000 Is that what it was?

01:25:53.000 No, I think it was.

01:25:54.000 I thought it was a tainted supplement.

01:25:55.000 Oh, is it a supplement?

01:25:56.000 Yeah, I think it's...

01:25:57.000 Jamie was saying that they're going to not test baseball players anymore for pot.

01:26:00.000 I saw that.

01:26:01.000 Yeah, I saw that.

01:26:02.000 Good!

01:26:03.000 Good, that's what we want.

01:26:05.000 A bunch of stolen people out there trying to catch a ball.

01:26:08.000 Perfect.

01:26:09.000 That'd be terrible.

01:26:10.000 Maybe better.

01:26:11.000 Maybe they know where that ball's going.

01:26:12.000 They took marijuana off their list, but they added opioids, which is...

01:26:16.000 Oh, that's good.

01:26:17.000 ...a good thing, but yeah.

01:26:19.000 That it was?

01:26:19.000 Oh, so opioids weren't on the list before?

01:26:21.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

01:26:22.000 People were like, hold on, what?

01:26:25.000 That's crazy, because that's a real problem, man.

01:26:27.000 That's a real problem.

01:26:29.000 Opioids is the real problem, not marijuana.

01:26:32.000 That's great.

01:26:32.000 That's heavy.

01:26:33.000 Hawaii has a lot of drug issues, right?

01:26:35.000 Oh, 100%.

01:26:36.000 Yeah.

01:26:37.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:26:38.000 How'd you avoid that shit growing up?

01:26:42.000 Ah, you know, like, I saw it.

01:26:46.000 I saw, like, I remember, like, being, like, I think I was eight.

01:26:52.000 I think I was eight.

01:26:53.000 No, not eight.

01:26:53.000 We had to be younger.

01:26:55.000 Maybe I was six, seven.

01:26:57.000 Six or seven.

01:26:58.000 My brother is one younger than me.

01:26:59.000 I remember, like, my uncle coming into the bathroom and my mom was showering me and my brother and, like, just fighting with my mom.

01:27:06.000 Like, they're fighting.

01:27:07.000 Like, fist fighting.

01:27:10.000 This is normal though.

01:27:11.000 Ice is like crazy in Hawaii.

01:27:15.000 Ice is meth, right?

01:27:16.000 Yeah, meth.

01:27:17.000 And I was like, holy shit, this is nuts.

01:27:19.000 And then I see my friends and family, their parents or whatever, or even going to high school, my friends doing this and that.

01:27:26.000 And I'm like, guys, this is not for me.

01:27:28.000 I ain't going to do this shit.

01:27:29.000 I see what it did to my family, how it affected, and some of my people I love as friends and stuff, families, and I was like, I ain't going to do this.

01:27:38.000 And then that's just why I just stayed with it.

01:27:40.000 I never did anything.

01:27:42.000 Never did no type of drug.

01:27:43.000 Not even marijuana.

01:27:44.000 Never tried it.

01:27:45.000 Really?

01:27:46.000 Never?

01:27:46.000 Never did nothing.

01:27:47.000 To this day?

01:27:47.000 Yeah, to this day.

01:27:48.000 We'll try now?

01:27:48.000 No, I'm good.

01:27:50.000 I'm good.

01:27:52.000 You seem like you have, though.

01:27:54.000 That's what's funny.

01:27:54.000 Yeah.

01:27:55.000 You're like a laughy dude.

01:27:56.000 Yeah.

01:27:57.000 You're silly.

01:27:57.000 I'm high on life.

01:27:58.000 Yeah, I guess so, man.

01:27:59.000 You don't need it.

01:28:00.000 I don't need it, yeah.

01:28:01.000 So I just saw what a lot of people like.

01:28:04.000 And then I stare away from marijuana for the wrong reason.

01:28:06.000 Because when you was in high school, you remember when I remember.

01:28:09.000 This always sticks out to me whenever you talk about it.

01:28:13.000 It's when you bang up the dog commercial.

01:28:15.000 What are you doing?

01:28:18.000 I really wish you wouldn't smoke pot.

01:28:20.000 No, you're not.

01:28:21.000 You're not on marijuana if you're talking to a dog.

01:28:26.000 Don't stick with me for the rest of my life, Joe.

01:28:28.000 You got me all messed up for that commercial.

01:28:31.000 That's a bit from my...

01:28:32.000 I think that's from 2009. That's my 2009 special.

01:28:37.000 That's from a long time ago.

01:28:39.000 I really wish you wouldn't smoke weed.

01:28:40.000 That's when I was graduating.

01:28:42.000 So that's when I was in school.

01:28:44.000 Play it.

01:28:45.000 Play that shit.

01:28:46.000 Play it.

01:28:46.000 Let me hear it.

01:28:49.000 Go back.

01:28:50.000 Rewind it a little bit so I can hear the whole thing.

01:28:56.000 I wish you didn't smoke weed.

01:28:57.000 You're not the same when you smoke.

01:29:02.000 And I miss my friend.

01:29:04.000 I'll be outside.

01:29:06.000 *gunshot* What the fuck were they thinking when they made that commercial?

01:29:13.000 I remember he saying, you're not on marijuana.

01:29:16.000 That girl's on cocaine and sleeping pills.

01:29:18.000 Her fucking dog is talking to her.

01:29:20.000 Not only that, she's not even reacting.

01:29:23.000 If your dog was talking to you when you were high, you'd be like, fuck, you can talk?

01:29:26.000 How long have you been able to talk?

01:29:28.000 If my dog was talking to me, I was like, wait, wait, this whole time, you used the damn bathroom outside.

01:29:34.000 What are you doing?

01:29:36.000 Why are you barking at me?

01:29:38.000 If you want food, tell me you want to eat.

01:29:41.000 I'd go crazy with my dog.

01:29:43.000 She doesn't even react.

01:29:44.000 She's like, huh?

01:29:45.000 She's not freaking out.

01:29:47.000 You would freak the fuck out if Marshall started talking to me.

01:29:50.000 I'd be like, what?

01:29:51.000 Hold on, do that again.

01:29:53.000 I'd get my phone out.

01:29:55.000 Yeah, that was a stupid commercial, man.

01:29:56.000 Yeah, but yeah, I just saw, I just saw a lot of people like, and we got a lot of talented kids from our side, from YNA. Like, I saw guys like, uh, supposed to be in, I think, I think, personally, they're supposed to be in NFL and MLB, or they're supposed to be greater things, you know, and, um, just drugs and just other stuff, like, you know, that most of them is still at home.

01:30:18.000 I still see them around town, when I'm around town, and, Working a job they don't like.

01:30:23.000 Talking about the days when they was in high school when they did certain stuff.

01:30:26.000 And I always told myself, that's not going to be me.

01:30:28.000 The older people that was older than me.

01:30:30.000 And with drugs too, I was like, this ain't going to stop me.

01:30:33.000 I ain't going to let this be it.

01:30:34.000 This ain't it for me.

01:30:35.000 So where did you develop?

01:30:37.000 Did you always have this mindset that you were going to be great at something?

01:30:41.000 Oh, 100%.

01:30:42.000 So, 9th grade.

01:30:46.000 When I was 9th grade, I remember going from 8th grade to 9th grade.

01:30:51.000 I was going 9th grade.

01:30:52.000 And one of my cousins, my older cousins, he was with me at this last fight.

01:30:55.000 I thought he was supposed to be an MLB. And he wanted to be an MLB player, so I was like, I'm going to be an MLB player.

01:31:01.000 So I go home.

01:31:03.000 I tell my grandma, Grandma, I'm going to be an MLB player.

01:31:05.000 She's like, okay, good.

01:31:07.000 But you know he got to go to college, right?

01:31:08.000 I was like, yeah, and what's the problem?

01:31:10.000 She's like, we don't have money for college, so you need to go get a scholarship.

01:31:14.000 So I'm like, okay, dope.

01:31:16.000 So I made school.

01:31:17.000 I graduated cum laude and stuff because I thought I was going to play.

01:31:23.000 I wanted to play MLB. I wanted to go to college and get a scholarship, but...

01:31:26.000 But anyway, 10th grade came, and then it was after the ending of baseball, I found fighting.

01:31:33.000 And when I was fighting, when I fought, I fought, there was like only a week left in school.

01:31:39.000 And then I fought, we came to school, I trained, at first I trained.

01:31:45.000 Did you start with MMA? No, I started with kickboxing.

01:31:48.000 I only trained for three days.

01:31:50.000 I trained for three days.

01:31:52.000 Yeah, my friend told me.

01:31:52.000 Baseball season just done.

01:31:54.000 I went to train with him.

01:31:56.000 I trained for three days.

01:31:57.000 And then on the second day, I went there on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, four days.

01:32:03.000 So Wednesday, I went to train.

01:32:05.000 Thursday, I show up.

01:32:06.000 They told me, oh, my friend was fighting on Saturday.

01:32:09.000 He told me, oh, Max.

01:32:11.000 The coach told us, Max, someone dropped out.

01:32:13.000 You want to fight?

01:32:14.000 On Saturday?

01:32:15.000 You gotta weigh 135. I was like, I was like, bet.

01:32:18.000 I was like, I'll fight.

01:32:19.000 Because I was gonna go, I would have to ask my, but my story was, I had to ask my grandma for $35 to get into the fight.

01:32:27.000 To watch my friend kickbox.

01:32:28.000 But I was like, I get to fight and I get it for free?

01:32:32.000 Like, yeah.

01:32:32.000 Yeah.

01:32:33.000 This is bad.

01:32:34.000 You know what I mean?

01:32:34.000 I would get him for free.

01:32:35.000 I don't have to ask him for $35, you know?

01:32:37.000 You trained for two days and they asked you that.

01:32:39.000 What kind of fucking coach were you going to that asked you if you want to fight on your second day?

01:32:44.000 He saw it out.

01:32:46.000 We were sparring already.

01:32:47.000 I was sparring the first day.

01:32:49.000 Second day came back.

01:32:50.000 We was like technical sparring, but then we was doing, you know?

01:32:53.000 The first time I ever sparring, when I went with them, I got punched in the face.

01:32:56.000 And the first thing that went in my mind, like, I got to punch this guy back.

01:33:00.000 I don't know how I'm going to do it, but I'm going to punch you right back in your face because I hurt.

01:33:03.000 You know, and that's what we did.

01:33:05.000 And I ended up fighting.

01:33:06.000 I ended up winning the fight.

01:33:08.000 I remember going to school that following Monday.

01:33:10.000 And I was telling everybody, this was when K-1 was huge.

01:33:13.000 This was 2007. I was like, I'm going to be a K-1 fighter, guys.

01:33:17.000 Watch.

01:33:18.000 They must have been like, when did you start training?

01:33:21.000 Last week, I already had a fight and I won.

01:33:23.000 That sounds like a lie.

01:33:25.000 If someone told you that, like, hey man, I was over at the gym for two days.

01:33:31.000 They told me I'm good.

01:33:31.000 I should have a fight.

01:33:32.000 So I had a fight that weekend and I won.

01:33:35.000 People would be like, what?

01:33:35.000 That's how crazy my mom was because I wasn't 18. I was only 16. So I had to get approval from her.

01:33:40.000 She had to tell the coach that I could do it.

01:33:43.000 And she was like, I told my mom, mom.

01:33:46.000 They just asked me to fight.

01:33:47.000 And my mom asked me, are you ready?

01:33:50.000 I was like, I don't know.

01:33:53.000 I don't know, but I want to fight.

01:33:54.000 And she's like, okay, just don't get hurt.

01:33:56.000 That's how crazy my mom is.

01:33:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:58.000 That's my mother.

01:33:59.000 She's crazy.

01:34:00.000 So she let me fight and the rest is history.

01:34:02.000 And then two years later, that's when BJ Penn was the BJ Penn era in the UFC. BJ was fighting George.

01:34:08.000 BJ went on that 55 streak.

01:34:10.000 And then I saw how much he made after one of his fights.

01:34:13.000 It's like 30k.

01:34:14.000 I was like, this is done.

01:34:16.000 I was telling everybody when I was graduating, I was like, I'm going to be a UFC champion.

01:34:20.000 I told them I'm going to be a UFC fighter.

01:34:24.000 I was like, I'm going to be a UFC fighter, 100%.

01:34:26.000 And then...

01:34:28.000 My brother, my older brother, he graduated.

01:34:30.000 He graduated from high school.

01:34:34.000 From college, I mean.

01:34:35.000 From college.

01:34:35.000 He came home to California.

01:34:36.000 He went to California Art Institute.

01:34:40.000 Something Art Institute.

01:34:41.000 Art Institute something here.

01:34:43.000 And he came home and I was graduating high school that day.

01:34:45.000 And I was on his computer playing games.

01:34:47.000 And he was like...

01:34:48.000 He was like, you graduate.

01:34:50.000 What you gonna do now?

01:34:51.000 I was like, I looked at him.

01:34:52.000 I was like, I'll be a UFC fighter.

01:34:55.000 And he did this laugh that I'm not gonna ever forget.

01:34:58.000 It's just ingrained in my brain.

01:35:00.000 He's like, ha!

01:35:01.000 Ha ha ha!

01:35:03.000 And then he said, yeah, I don't know how that's gonna work for you.

01:35:06.000 So you better go figure it out, you know?

01:35:08.000 And then that was on nine.

01:35:10.000 And then three years later, January 4th, I was at the hospital, and I was waiting on the arrival of my son.

01:35:20.000 I remember the exact time, it's 10.03am.

01:35:24.000 I get my phone rang and be like, hey, check your email.

01:35:28.000 So I go check my email, and it's a UFC contract to fight Poirier for February 4th.

01:35:35.000 Wow.

01:35:36.000 First, I hang up the phone, I hang up the phone, first person I call, My older brother.

01:35:42.000 And he know I was there for my son.

01:35:44.000 For my son that was being born.

01:35:46.000 And he picks up the phone.

01:35:47.000 He's like, what's up, Max?

01:35:48.000 I was like, what?

01:35:50.000 Is my nephew here?

01:35:51.000 I go, no.

01:35:52.000 And he's like, then what?

01:35:53.000 And he's big into Vizalus.

01:35:55.000 And Vizalus saying was, I told you so.

01:35:57.000 There's this thing, like, I told you so.

01:35:59.000 And I told him, oh, no.

01:36:03.000 Guess who you're talking to?

01:36:03.000 He's like, who am I talking to?

01:36:04.000 I was like, he's talking to a UFC fighter.

01:36:07.000 And he's like, ha-ha!

01:36:09.000 He took the same laugh!

01:36:10.000 He did the same laugh.

01:36:12.000 And then he goes, he's like, go ahead, go ahead, you can tell me.

01:36:15.000 I go like, tell you what?

01:36:16.000 And he's like, tell me I told you so.

01:36:19.000 I was like, nah, I just wanted to let you know.

01:36:20.000 He's like, I'll call you when my son's here.

01:36:22.000 And I hung up the phone.

01:36:23.000 And then 303, my son was there.

01:36:25.000 So January 4th was one of the best days of my life.

01:36:27.000 Wow.

01:36:28.000 That's crazy.

01:36:30.000 And then you fought Conor when you were like, what were you, 20 or 21?

01:36:34.000 I think I was 21 or, yeah, 21. I think he's 23 or whatever.

01:36:38.000 I think he's two or three years older than me.

01:36:40.000 So I think if he was 24 and then I was 22 or something, 21. So that was your last loss and then you went on a crazy streak.

01:36:48.000 Yeah.

01:36:49.000 You went on a crazy winning streak.

01:36:51.000 Yeah.

01:36:51.000 Yeah, it was crazy.

01:36:52.000 When you see Connor doing stuff, I'm a big believer in things happening for a reason.

01:36:58.000 Before that, I actually remember talking to you after my first one was Bermudez, when I fought Bermudez.

01:37:04.000 And that was a tough fight.

01:37:05.000 I remember I ran into you at MGM. And you were leaving.

01:37:11.000 You were going back home to LA or wherever you were going, and I saw you at the elevators.

01:37:14.000 And he was like, oh, keep your head up, kid.

01:37:16.000 He said, I thought you did enough.

01:37:18.000 And I was like, yeah, it is what it is.

01:37:19.000 He's like, yeah, you'll be back though, for sure.

01:37:21.000 And then after that, we fought Conor.

01:37:23.000 And then those two fights really meant a lot at that time in my career because it just made me realize how much I really got to buckle down.

01:37:31.000 I really had to do something.

01:37:33.000 I really had to find something.

01:37:33.000 I didn't have a striking coach.

01:37:37.000 My first coach that I started with, when I got into the UFC, was no longer.

01:37:43.000 I ended up doing Jiu Jitsu with Ryland Lazarus, the coach I'm with now.

01:37:47.000 He's been ever since UFC. A little bit before my UFC fights too.

01:37:51.000 And then I never had a striking coach for Dustin, then we went on 4 and then we went on 2. So whatever the 1, 5, 6, 7. My first 7 fights in the UFC. So what did you do for striking?

01:38:02.000 You really want to know what I did?

01:38:04.000 Yeah.

01:38:04.000 You know the UFC game?

01:38:06.000 I would use Henan Baral and Jose Aldo and I would do stuff with them.

01:38:11.000 I'd be like, oh yeah, this works in the game.

01:38:12.000 So my friend at the time, Dustin Kimura, he would kind of hold mitts for me and I'd be like, look, I tried this in the game and it was working.

01:38:19.000 Let's try it.

01:38:20.000 And we did it.

01:38:21.000 I figured it out from UFC, the regular UFC game, the first ever UFC game.

01:38:26.000 What?!

01:38:26.000 Yeah.

01:38:27.000 You would watch the video game?

01:38:29.000 I would play the video game and be like, oh, look at this.

01:38:31.000 I would try the combination.

01:38:32.000 I'd be like, oh, yeah, this kind of works, so let's try it.

01:38:36.000 Why not?

01:38:38.000 It got me that far.

01:38:40.000 That is so ridiculous.

01:38:42.000 Wow.

01:38:43.000 So then you realized you had to do something different after the Bermuda's loss?

01:38:47.000 Not the Bermuda's loss.

01:38:48.000 The Bermuda's loss, we were trying to find a striking coach and this and that.

01:38:52.000 And then the Connor loss, we were like, yeah.

01:38:54.000 We got to get this shit going.

01:38:55.000 My coach did, Rylan.

01:38:58.000 Rylan was like, man, I'm going to pull somebody in.

01:39:00.000 And then he bring in the guy that I work with now, Ivan Flores, my striking coach.

01:39:05.000 And he lives on the island as well?

01:39:07.000 Yeah, he lives on the island.

01:39:08.000 We're all in one gym now.

01:39:09.000 We're all together.

01:39:10.000 Oh, that's great.

01:39:11.000 Yeah, so it's like super easy now.

01:39:13.000 It made a giant difference, obviously.

01:39:14.000 Human is different.

01:39:15.000 So it's like big, big difference.

01:39:17.000 What does your brother say now?

01:39:22.000 What does he say now?

01:39:23.000 You're the greatest featherweight of all time.

01:39:25.000 What does he say now?

01:39:27.000 Nothing.

01:39:27.000 He can't say shit.

01:39:28.000 Yeah, let go.

01:39:29.000 Do you ever say, hey, man, you remember?

01:39:31.000 Yeah, I always.

01:39:32.000 All the time.

01:39:34.000 I'm not going to let you forget that.

01:39:35.000 Come on.

01:39:36.000 I'm not going to let you forget that.

01:39:37.000 It's kind of hilarious, right?

01:39:39.000 It's funny.

01:39:40.000 You think about your younger brother telling you he's going to be a UFC fighter, and he turns out to be one of the all-time greats.

01:39:45.000 And you're mocking him.

01:39:46.000 You're like, yeah.

01:39:47.000 Yeah, you're going to be a fighter, bro.

01:39:48.000 Good luck.

01:39:49.000 Yeah, he said, this is exactly what he said.

01:39:51.000 He said, yeah, good luck with that.

01:39:53.000 He said, yeah, you should start looking into colleges or some type of state job.

01:39:57.000 I was like, nah, you just watch.

01:40:01.000 You just wait.

01:40:02.000 Wow.

01:40:03.000 Talk about, like, calling it.

01:40:05.000 But that's one of those things, like, if someone tells it to you, like, I'm going to be a UFC champion, like, what are the odds?

01:40:11.000 Yeah, one of my friends, you know, like, Michael Nakagawa, like, he used to train with Alpha Male, because he went to UC Davis, and he got drafted, he got picked up from, Uriah favored him, because of UC Davis and stuff, and that's why he got...

01:40:23.000 Is he a wrestler?

01:40:23.000 Yeah, he's a wrestler.

01:40:25.000 Yeah, a big-time wrestler, and then...

01:40:26.000 I remember the first time wrestling, going with him, and I was in the UFC already, and Chad was one of the top guys, you know, and I remember my friend told me Dustin Kimura, like, oh yeah, he trained on Alpha Male then, blah, blah, blah.

01:40:43.000 I woke up straight to him, I shook his hand, I told him, you know how I woke Chad Mendes's ass, right?

01:40:49.000 And then he was like, wait, what?

01:40:51.000 I was like, yeah, I'll probably whoop Chadman in his ass.

01:40:54.000 And he's like, okay.

01:40:54.000 And this is after he just taking my ass down like a hundred times in practice.

01:40:58.000 You know what I mean?

01:41:00.000 Or right before he did that, and then we practiced, and he took me down like a hundred times in practice.

01:41:05.000 You know, I don't know wrestling too good.

01:41:07.000 And then I still told him, and I still told him, I still whoop Chadman in his ass.

01:41:11.000 I'm going to beat him.

01:41:12.000 This is how life goes.

01:41:14.000 I told him, I'm going to beat Jose Aldo.

01:41:17.000 I'm going to beat the champ.

01:41:19.000 I was like, these guys, they're not going to touch me.

01:41:20.000 And you can ask them about the story.

01:41:22.000 And he always told me, like, when it actually happened, he finally told me, he's like, yeah, Max, I was never going to tell you, but I thought you was fucking insane.

01:41:30.000 I was like, no, this is a different confidence.

01:41:33.000 You just got to put it out in the world.

01:41:35.000 You know, if you think you're going to do something, go do it and go work hard.

01:41:38.000 I wasn't scared of hard work.

01:41:39.000 You've always had this attitude, though.

01:41:40.000 Do you know where you got it from?

01:41:42.000 Uh, I don't, like, my grandpa, you know, I guess it has to be from my grandpa, you know, my grandpa, he'd probably be mad, you know, he passed away when I was 8th grade, but he'd probably be mad down the fire because he didn't want us, he's an electrician, so he just wanted us to get a good job, a great job, family, a house, and all that stuff.

01:42:00.000 But it's just him, hard work.

01:42:02.000 I remember coming home from practices or school.

01:42:07.000 Before you go out, we had to do all the chores, whatever.

01:42:10.000 Every Saturday, Sunday, we wake up at 6 o'clock.

01:42:13.000 He had breakfast made for us and we'd go out and clean the yard before we could go do anything else.

01:42:18.000 He just had structure and hard work.

01:42:20.000 We had to pull weeds.

01:42:23.000 He was one of those guys that would find work out of nothing.

01:42:26.000 We'd be doing one thing, we'd be done, and it'd be done ahead of schedule.

01:42:30.000 It's like, okay, perfect.

01:42:30.000 I need you guys to do this.

01:42:31.000 It's like, no!

01:42:32.000 No, this is not it!

01:42:34.000 We couldn't say nothing, but we'd get an ass beat if we did.

01:42:37.000 But yeah, I think it was just my grandpa.

01:42:40.000 And it was just sacrifices.

01:42:42.000 In high school, what I did when I was playing baseball and stuff, I gave up all my recesses and my lunches.

01:42:52.000 We had 20-minute lunch and 15-minute recess to do my homework because all I wanted to do was be an MLB player.

01:42:57.000 So when I went out to practice right after baseball, right after school was finished, I remember just going on the field and not thinking about going home.

01:43:06.000 I got to do homework or I got to do a project.

01:43:09.000 A lot of teachers would help me out in school and stuff and this and that.

01:43:13.000 That's how I got cum laude.

01:43:14.000 Like, I'm not the smartest kid.

01:43:15.000 Like, I figured out, I hacked a lot of things going through the beginning of life.

01:43:20.000 I hacked a lot of things.

01:43:21.000 Like, one of the things in school I realized that you sit by one of the smartest kids.

01:43:25.000 I used to sit by the smartest kids.

01:43:27.000 Every time I was in class, I'd sit by the smartest kid asking them for help.

01:43:31.000 They'd help me willingly.

01:43:33.000 Like, okay, yeah, help me, help me, help me.

01:43:35.000 And if I really got stuck, they'd be like, ah, give me that.

01:43:38.000 Take my work, do my work for me.

01:43:40.000 I'm like, oh, perfect.

01:43:42.000 Perfect, you know what I mean?

01:43:43.000 Like, okay, cool.

01:43:44.000 And I just had to get, like, C's on top of my tests to get the grades, and I was doing good.

01:43:49.000 You know, boys and the money, so.

01:43:52.000 It's just about hacking life, I guess.

01:43:54.000 So you just learned hard work from your grandfather?

01:43:56.000 100%.

01:43:57.000 So what he made you do, and then he put it in your head that you could do whatever you wanted to.

01:44:01.000 Yeah, he said if you want anything, anything or everything ever comes from hard work.

01:44:07.000 You're not going to ever get gifted anything.

01:44:09.000 And if you are gifted something, don't take it.

01:44:11.000 Say thank you, smile or whatever, but go out and work for it or earn it, you know?

01:44:16.000 He was one of those guys that if you gave him something, he always made sure he gave you back something.

01:44:21.000 He didn't want to feel like he owed you, you know?

01:44:23.000 Maybe he would be upset that you were a fighter, but damn, he'd be proud of you.

01:44:26.000 Yeah, but I know that this is the number one thing.

01:44:29.000 So every time, he already was like, he was out of work, he was retired and stuff.

01:44:34.000 And every morning, 6 o'clock in the morning, we had a gazebo, drinking his Miller Lite every morning.

01:44:41.000 School day, weekday, every morning.

01:44:43.000 Come home from school at 3 o'clock, he stood there drinking his Miller Lite, you know?

01:44:48.000 Like drinking a Miller Lite, so...

01:44:50.000 I know he's up there, wherever he is, whatever you believe in, I know he's looking down on me and just being like, he's always just a stupid kid.

01:44:57.000 And I know he's just looking at me, I know he's proud and stuff, but I know he's just like, you're a dumbass kid.

01:45:02.000 And it's cool, that's him though.

01:45:05.000 Well, you know, it's just amazing what you've accomplished.

01:45:09.000 It's amazing when you stop and think that you're still only 28, too.

01:45:13.000 You know, you've got a long way to go, man.

01:45:14.000 28. That's why.

01:45:16.000 It's funny, you know, like a lot of people is like, yeah, this guy's the future of the division, or this is the future of that.

01:45:22.000 He's older than you.

01:45:22.000 Yeah!

01:45:23.000 I'm like, I'm a time traveler, guys!

01:45:28.000 Because I'm 28, you know?

01:45:30.000 The boy is time traveling right now when they tell me I'm the future.

01:45:34.000 I'm like, so that means I'm from the, you know?

01:45:36.000 Yeah, most guys your age are not even fighting for a title.

01:45:40.000 Yeah, I got in.

01:45:42.000 It was cool to have stuff on this card.

01:45:44.000 Hooper, the Hooper kid.

01:45:46.000 Yes.

01:45:46.000 Because he's 20. I was just like him when I came in.

01:45:51.000 I remember I told him, what's up?

01:45:53.000 I saw him, I said hi, and I was talking to him.

01:45:56.000 People was telling me, yeah, you know how old he is, he's 20. I was like, yeah, that's why I want to go shake his head.

01:46:00.000 Because I was that kid.

01:46:01.000 It was only eight years ago.

01:46:03.000 Yeah, and I was that kid.

01:46:04.000 I shook his head.

01:46:04.000 I was like, what's up, my man?

01:46:06.000 Nice to meet you.

01:46:08.000 It's crazy because when I was that age, I remember fighting in Vegas.

01:46:12.000 The first fight, Poirier.

01:46:13.000 I remember I was standing.

01:46:14.000 I was watching people gamble.

01:46:17.000 And then they're like, hey, can I get your ID? I was like, oh yeah, sure.

01:46:20.000 Show my ID to a card.

01:46:22.000 They gave me back.

01:46:23.000 They're like, yeah, you need to get the hell off the floor.

01:46:25.000 I was like, why?

01:46:26.000 They're like, it's a casino.

01:46:28.000 You're not 21. You can just only walk through.

01:46:30.000 I was like, wow, this is some bullshit.

01:46:32.000 I didn't even know, you know?

01:46:33.000 So I had to keep walking.

01:46:34.000 I was mad.

01:46:35.000 Yeah, that's hilarious.

01:46:37.000 You're old enough to fight, but you're not old enough to gamble.

01:46:41.000 Exactly.

01:46:42.000 That's the biggest gamble you could ever do with your life.

01:46:44.000 Exactly.

01:46:45.000 And I'm fighting grown men.

01:46:46.000 Yeah.

01:46:48.000 You know, like, I'm fighting grown men.

01:46:50.000 Come on.

01:46:50.000 And it's a gamble.

01:46:51.000 That's the real gamble.

01:46:53.000 Fuck money, man.

01:46:54.000 You're throwing knuckles and shins at people, trying to choke them.

01:46:58.000 They're trying to choke you.

01:46:59.000 That's the biggest gamble a person can take.

01:47:01.000 Yeah.

01:47:02.000 That's wild.

01:47:04.000 You have crazy fucking cardio, man.

01:47:06.000 Yeah.

01:47:07.000 Your cardio is very impressive.

01:47:08.000 Genetics.

01:47:09.000 Is it genetics?

01:47:10.000 Genetics.

01:47:10.000 It's got to be a lot of hard work, too, man.

01:47:12.000 Hard work.

01:47:13.000 I've seen you run with the sail.

01:47:14.000 Yeah.

01:47:15.000 What kind of shit do you do for strength and conditioning?

01:47:17.000 You have a separate strength and conditioning coach?

01:47:19.000 Yeah.

01:47:19.000 I got this guy named Darren Yap.

01:47:22.000 Tatako Strength and Conditioning.

01:47:24.000 Out in Oahu.

01:47:25.000 He's one of the best guys out there.

01:47:28.000 A lot of coaches, they say...

01:47:31.000 People don't know my coaches because they don't really like me talking about them.

01:47:35.000 Really?

01:47:35.000 Yeah, every time they hear me talking about them, they're like, come on, guys.

01:47:38.000 They just want everything to me.

01:47:41.000 That's how this team is.

01:47:42.000 That's crazy.

01:47:42.000 They just want everything on me.

01:47:44.000 They don't want people to know.

01:47:45.000 They don't want...

01:47:46.000 You're very lucky.

01:47:47.000 Yeah.

01:47:47.000 You're very lucky.

01:47:48.000 Yeah, very blessed.

01:47:49.000 There you go.

01:47:50.000 I'm blessed.

01:47:51.000 You have the best nickname for you.

01:47:52.000 I got some of the best guys behind.

01:47:55.000 They don't want to know, but...

01:47:57.000 Yeah, it is hard work.

01:47:59.000 How often do you do it?

01:48:00.000 Like when you're in camp?

01:48:02.000 I do strength and conditioning at least four times.

01:48:04.000 Four times a week?

01:48:05.000 At least four times.

01:48:06.000 Really?

01:48:06.000 And what kind of shit are you doing?

01:48:08.000 I lift weights for sure, and then we do cardio stuff.

01:48:11.000 We try to balance it.

01:48:13.000 One of our favorite things is you've got to have goal muscle, not show muscle.

01:48:18.000 You see some of these guys, how you said, they just rip and look amazing, this and that, but they're tired in 30 seconds.

01:48:26.000 That's show muscle.

01:48:27.000 We've got to have goal muscle.

01:48:28.000 I do a bunch of some days heavy lifting, some days circuits, some days sprints, different type of sprints, different type of running.

01:48:35.000 I like running, I like jogging, but...

01:48:37.000 Do you run on the beach?

01:48:38.000 I like running on the beach.

01:48:40.000 The beach is pretty fun, but it's kind of irritating.

01:48:44.000 I like swimming.

01:48:44.000 I do swimming here and there.

01:48:46.000 But it's all different type of muscles.

01:48:47.000 We make sure we all sit down, we do, and we talk about the goal at hand, and then we make the training around it.

01:48:56.000 So when you're doing four days a week, he's scheduling all this stuff for you, like figuring out what you're going to do?

01:49:01.000 Oh, so I have...

01:49:02.000 The boy got it easy.

01:49:05.000 The boy got it so easy, like...

01:49:07.000 My manager, him, a couple of coaches, I got a couple of PT guys and a couple of doctors.

01:49:12.000 They're all in a group text.

01:49:14.000 They all got my calendar and they put everything in there for me.

01:49:20.000 So you just got to listen to them when they tell you what to do.

01:49:22.000 So I just look at my calendar the night before and I know where I need to be.

01:49:26.000 With addresses, times and everything.

01:49:29.000 Wow.

01:49:30.000 So life be good.

01:49:32.000 Life be really good.

01:49:33.000 They spoiled me a little bit.

01:49:35.000 That's beautiful.

01:49:36.000 So four days a week you're doing that.

01:49:38.000 Are you doing that in the morning?

01:49:40.000 I like working.

01:49:41.000 I like doing that before.

01:49:43.000 If I am doing it on that day or whatever day I do, do strength and conditioning, that's my first workout day.

01:49:49.000 I hate when I see people do the jujitsu training before, and then they go and try to do stuff.

01:49:57.000 That's not going to happen.

01:49:58.000 It's backwards.

01:49:59.000 Why is that?

01:50:00.000 Because I believe you're getting tired and stuff, and then you go straight into conditioning, you're not going to be able to give your food.

01:50:05.000 You cannot push on a weight thing.

01:50:08.000 If you gotta lift heavy or do cardio stuff, you can't push when you're already tired.

01:50:14.000 It's a cardio thing or there's weights involved or whatever.

01:50:18.000 But when I'm in Jiu Jitsu, I can mentally push myself.

01:50:22.000 To break, you know what I mean?

01:50:23.000 I can go without getting hurt, without really getting hurt.

01:50:27.000 But then if I go to do Jiu Jitsu and I gotta lift, what I could do before if I'm fresh versus what I can't do now, it's totally different.

01:50:35.000 You're not getting stronger, you're not getting anything, but you can get mentally stronger or whatever, or smarter, and you can figure things out when you apply it.

01:50:43.000 I'd rather be tired going to Any type of jujitsu training, wrestling training, or kickboxing training versus the other way around.

01:50:52.000 Yeah, there's a lot of jujitsu gyms like Carlson Gracie's, they used to do that.

01:50:56.000 They used to have a real hard workout before you would train.

01:50:58.000 Before you would train, you'd do bear crawls.

01:51:02.000 Yeah, the warm-up.

01:51:02.000 Yeah, all kinds of push-ups, sit-ups, different kinds of drills that you would do, like strength and conditioning routines.

01:51:09.000 And you would do that before you would ever get a chance to train.

01:51:11.000 So you'd be exhausted by the time you trained.

01:51:13.000 Because you've got to figure it out.

01:51:14.000 because this is like if I like I like to like the I don't know it's just me you know like With this point system, this and that.

01:51:22.000 I always try to finish fights no matter what.

01:51:24.000 Even if you're the best guy in the world, I'm going to try to finish you.

01:51:26.000 And you're always going to see me in your face.

01:51:28.000 I'm not going to go away.

01:51:29.000 Because that's just it.

01:51:31.000 If we fought to death, If there's no time limit, I'm going to kill you.

01:51:39.000 That's just my mindset.

01:51:40.000 There's no way.

01:51:41.000 I'm going to figure out a way to make you tired and make you quit.

01:51:46.000 And when you quit, may peace be with you.

01:51:49.000 Till the next one.

01:51:50.000 But at the end of the day, that's what it is.

01:51:52.000 That's why you should be in that moment.

01:51:54.000 Because if you're fresh and stuff, everybody can be the greatest fresh.

01:51:58.000 But there's the special ones that know how to figure it out when they're not there.

01:52:03.000 Like when you're tired and you're dead tired, you gotta go that one more round, the extra minute.

01:52:07.000 You figure things out.

01:52:08.000 And that's what separates...

01:52:11.000 The great from the greatest, you know?

01:52:14.000 That's just the difference, I think.

01:52:15.000 Well, that's always been a real signature of your fighting style is your endurance and your confidence in your endurance.

01:52:22.000 You could push through.

01:52:24.000 I'll never forget the rematch with Aldo.

01:52:26.000 Right before the second round, you came over to us and you went, the man's tired!

01:52:32.000 I'll never forget that.

01:52:33.000 He's tired!

01:52:33.000 But you were hyped up.

01:52:35.000 It was funny because I felt him going already.

01:52:37.000 And when I came down, when I came by you, and I was like, the man's tired.

01:52:42.000 Because I knew, I was like, this guy's done.

01:52:44.000 He's done.

01:52:44.000 And he came out.

01:52:45.000 I remember he came out fast.

01:52:47.000 He came out fast with like a straight right, left hook.

01:52:49.000 And I was like, oof.

01:52:51.000 I was like, maybe he might not be.

01:52:52.000 But we...

01:52:53.000 But we're going to find out right now.

01:52:55.000 And then I pushed it a little bit more and I was like, okay, yeah.

01:52:58.000 That was a little smokescreen.

01:53:00.000 That's what he had left from the little minute he got to rest, you know?

01:53:03.000 He couldn't fight.

01:53:04.000 His style is so explosive.

01:53:07.000 He couldn't fight that way with you.

01:53:09.000 I mean, that was a perfect example of how styles make fights.

01:53:12.000 I like what you said.

01:53:13.000 I like what you said, like...

01:53:15.000 I went in a dogfight knowing that I'm going to come out of a dogfight.

01:53:18.000 I'm going to bring the fight to him.

01:53:19.000 That's what we knew.

01:53:22.000 You forced him into a wild fight.

01:53:24.000 I knew that if I got into a couple of slugs with him, every time I came out, my battery would probably drop 2%, but he's dropping like 30%.

01:53:33.000 Why is that?

01:53:36.000 The dude is genetically gifted with power.

01:53:40.000 With power, you know?

01:53:41.000 And I knew that I was in here for a long game.

01:53:44.000 And if you watch a lot of his fights, that's the cool thing about him.

01:53:49.000 I got to watch him when I was 16. I've been watching him in 16 and now I got to face this guy.

01:53:55.000 I always told myself, even before I was in MMA, I was like, I want to kickbox this guy.

01:53:59.000 If I could fight him for 5 rounds, I could beat him in a kickboxing match.

01:54:03.000 That's just what I told myself.

01:54:06.000 That's just the belief you need to be great and keep pushing.

01:54:09.000 Because you just watch him, you can just see him get tired over time.

01:54:12.000 After he win the first three rounds, he just coasted.

01:54:16.000 Yeah.

01:54:17.000 They're gifted with powers.

01:54:19.000 So true.

01:54:20.000 Because those guys who are gifted with power rarely have the same kind.

01:54:25.000 There's a lot of guys that I just think, gosh, I wish I had your power.

01:54:31.000 If I could just have...

01:54:33.000 Give me 2% of your power.

01:54:35.000 Right.

01:54:35.000 I would love that, you know?

01:54:37.000 And we work.

01:54:38.000 I'm working for it.

01:54:39.000 I'm trying to get it, but just God-given...

01:54:43.000 This is different.

01:54:44.000 There's some guys, this God-given power, they just touch your chin, boom!

01:54:48.000 Yeah, but there's something to be said for the kind of endurance and the style that you have.

01:54:52.000 That style of constant pressure, but...

01:54:54.000 I like this...

01:54:55.000 My style and stuff, I like it because like...

01:54:59.000 When you do knock out someone, they can always be like, oh, he just caught me.

01:55:03.000 With the Aldo and stuff, the first one, that's what they were saying.

01:55:06.000 They were like, yeah, Max, you're losing the first couple rounds, but you just caught him.

01:55:10.000 So the second time we did it back, we ran it back, and I had to do what I had to do.

01:55:14.000 I wanted to show everybody, look, I'm here for real.

01:55:16.000 But that's why I like my style.

01:55:18.000 Everybody's like, yeah, you do good, but...

01:55:20.000 I'm like, and what?

01:55:22.000 Like, if you knock out somebody, like, catch them early in the round, say five seconds in, knock them out, you can be like, yeah, you just caught a lucky punch.

01:55:28.000 Even if it was the most calculated punch in the world, you know, even like with the Conor thing, like, this is a lucky punch.

01:55:32.000 It's not a lucky punch, you know, Conor's in the back practicing it, you know what I mean?

01:55:35.000 Like, you see, it wasn't a lucky punch, but people are going to keep telling him, no, Ilan, it's lucky, blah, blah, blah.

01:55:40.000 So it's always going to be whatever, you know, over your head, whatever.

01:55:43.000 But the way I fight and stuff, I just want to just outclass you in every single way that I possibly can and show the world, like, look.

01:55:50.000 You want to wrestle?

01:55:52.000 Yeah, try and get me there.

01:55:53.000 You want to do jiu-jitsu?

01:55:54.000 Yeah, take me down.

01:55:55.000 Let's see if you can get me there first.

01:55:57.000 And then if you want to do the striking thing, yeah, let's do it.

01:56:01.000 I just want to show the world that, look, I'm better than you in every aspect.

01:56:04.000 So mentally, that just screws with someone.

01:56:07.000 Do you think that a guy that has the kind of power that Aldo has can ever have the kind of endurance that you have?

01:56:12.000 For sure, you know.

01:56:13.000 They don't have to fight different.

01:56:14.000 Yeah, for sure, you know.

01:56:15.000 But in their back pocket, it's just tough because sometimes when those guys' mindsets, I feel like with the guys who get knockout, who has knockout power, their mindsets, they turn to like, they turn to like, I just got to land.

01:56:29.000 And then you get tired in there.

01:56:32.000 Because then you're mentally fatiguing yourself because you're thinking about like, oh shit, I'm having bad.

01:56:37.000 Now I just change it.

01:56:39.000 I got to turn it in.

01:56:40.000 Now you start getting tense.

01:56:41.000 You start looking for that one shot.

01:56:42.000 You start missing that shot.

01:56:44.000 And even when I fought Aldo, you was calling a lot.

01:56:47.000 Look, he's whiffing.

01:56:49.000 When you miss a punch and your body goes with it, It's tough.

01:56:53.000 It's tough to recover.

01:56:54.000 It's like, oh my gosh.

01:56:56.000 And then you don't put in the extra 5% that might get you more tired because you're thinking like, why?

01:57:01.000 Like, I just missed.

01:57:02.000 Where is this kid?

01:57:03.000 You know?

01:57:03.000 Like, what does he do?

01:57:04.000 And then I'm back right on you, you know?

01:57:06.000 Or anybody.

01:57:07.000 Like, they're back in your face.

01:57:09.000 Like, I'm here.

01:57:09.000 You know?

01:57:10.000 Knock, knock.

01:57:10.000 Hello.

01:57:11.000 You thought I left?

01:57:12.000 No, I'm right here.

01:57:13.000 That style.

01:57:13.000 That's like Colby Covington's style is very similar in the sense that he has a crazy volume.

01:57:18.000 You know?

01:57:18.000 He's not hitting you 100%.

01:57:20.000 I talked to him after the Robbie Lawler fight.

01:57:23.000 I go, how hard are you hitting?

01:57:25.000 Are you hitting like 60%, 70%?

01:57:27.000 He goes, yeah, somewhere around there.

01:57:29.000 60, 70. He goes, I'm just putting it on him.

01:57:31.000 Just putting it on him.

01:57:32.000 Just keeping it on him.

01:57:33.000 Just staying on him.

01:57:33.000 That Robbie Lawler fight was a perfect example.

01:57:36.000 He just kept that pressure going.

01:57:37.000 Kept that pressure going.

01:57:39.000 Super small, yeah.

01:57:40.000 Robbie never got a chance.

01:57:41.000 Never had a chance to unload.

01:57:43.000 Never had a chance to fire back.

01:57:44.000 And Robbie's one of the power punches.

01:57:46.000 They look for it.

01:57:47.000 Yep.

01:57:47.000 So when you get that stuff, they're looking for it.

01:57:50.000 Never comes.

01:57:50.000 And it misses because in their mind, like, I No, don't worry.

01:57:54.000 It's not this one.

01:57:55.000 The next shuffle.

01:57:56.000 And then the next shuffle comes.

01:57:57.000 No, no, no.

01:57:57.000 I got the next shuffle.

01:57:59.000 They keep saying the next one, but it never comes.

01:58:01.000 The opening was never there for him.

01:58:03.000 The opening was never there for him.

01:58:05.000 That was why it was so interesting to watch him versus Usman.

01:58:07.000 Because Usman has a crazy gas tank, too.

01:58:10.000 Usman's weird, right?

01:58:10.000 It was crazy.

01:58:11.000 The boat was just pretty much punching each other, right?

01:58:15.000 Yeah.

01:58:15.000 I mean, right in front of each other.

01:58:16.000 It was basically a kickboxing match.

01:58:18.000 I mean, I don't think there was any takedown attempts, if I remember.

01:58:22.000 I don't remember any takedown attempts.

01:58:25.000 Very few low kicks.

01:58:29.000 Usman threw a lot of kicks to the body.

01:58:30.000 A lot of front kicks to the body in particular.

01:58:32.000 His body work paid off big time.

01:58:34.000 You can see Kobe really faded.

01:58:36.000 Body work, baby.

01:58:37.000 Body work, man.

01:58:38.000 Yeah.

01:58:39.000 I mean, the front kick to the body, too.

01:58:40.000 That was money for him.

01:58:41.000 And that left hook to the body, too.

01:58:43.000 Nice.

01:58:43.000 You know, he was digging.

01:58:45.000 Oh, that was actually right hand to the body, right?

01:58:47.000 Because he was fighting orthodox.

01:58:48.000 Yeah.

01:58:49.000 Kobe was fighting southpaw.

01:58:50.000 Yeah.

01:58:50.000 Yeah, it was a...

01:58:51.000 That's a wild fight.

01:58:53.000 That was a wild fight.

01:58:54.000 Because Usman's got power and he's got cardio.

01:58:58.000 Yeah.

01:58:58.000 He's got both things.

01:58:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:59:00.000 Just smart use of his energy.

01:59:03.000 When you got that, like I said, it's just a mental thing.

01:59:06.000 A lot of the guys that have the power, they just kind of cut it off sometimes.

01:59:11.000 They don't rely on the other thing, like, let's get back to work and do this.

01:59:15.000 But Uzman is like a wrestler, so in his mind, he's like, I can wrestle too.

01:59:20.000 So let's just do this wrestle pressure thing with just punches.

01:59:24.000 Yeah, I would see a rematch of that fight too.

01:59:27.000 That fight would be very interesting to see a rematch because that fight was super fucking close and competitive.

01:59:31.000 Particularly on the judges' scorecards.

01:59:33.000 Once you get a fight at night, then you know it's competitive.

01:59:35.000 That's why I hate it.

01:59:36.000 Everybody's like, oh, yeah, let's get a fight at night.

01:59:38.000 I was like, no, let's not get a fight at night.

01:59:40.000 I don't want to look competitive.

01:59:42.000 I want the fight to be like, what is going on, you know?

01:59:45.000 That's my thing, bro.

01:59:46.000 Like the second Aldo fight.

01:59:48.000 Yeah, I want people to be like, wow, this guy, what's next?

01:59:52.000 Yeah, he's never going to beat him.

01:59:54.000 You want that.

01:59:54.000 Yeah.

01:59:55.000 You want that feeling.

01:59:56.000 Exactly.

01:59:56.000 Well, I remember thinking that, too, because Aldo was a last-minute replacement.

02:00:00.000 Yeah.

02:00:00.000 I mean, the second fight in particular, and you were like, it is what it is.

02:00:03.000 And I was like, do you know how crazy it is that this guy is talking about the greatest featherweight of all time?

02:00:09.000 He's talking about fighting him again.

02:00:10.000 He's like, it is what it is.

02:00:12.000 I'm like, that is hilarious.

02:00:14.000 If this is the guy you guys think is the greatest, let me fight him.

02:00:17.000 Like I said, everybody keeps asking me about, oh, do you want to do it?

02:00:21.000 Can we fight after seeing what he's doing?

02:00:22.000 I'm like, is Khabib a human?

02:00:25.000 He's human.

02:00:26.000 He's human just like me and you.

02:00:27.000 If you put me in an octagon, I'm going to fight him.

02:00:29.000 I'm a fighter.

02:00:31.000 And that's just it.

02:00:32.000 At the end of the day, I just want to be the greatest of all time.

02:00:35.000 And he's the guy there.

02:00:36.000 He's one of the guys there.

02:00:37.000 He's one of the guys that stood undefeated in the MMA. It's impossible to do.

02:00:42.000 So why would you not want to fight someone like that?

02:00:44.000 That's the thing that blew my mind.

02:00:45.000 Even when people were like, oh, you take it so short notice.

02:00:47.000 I'm like...

02:00:49.000 This is how legends are made.

02:00:52.000 This is why people remember your name.

02:00:55.000 They're like, why are you doing this?

02:00:57.000 I wouldn't.

02:00:58.000 Champions in MMA, Jon Jones is not defeated.

02:01:03.000 He's got this one bullshit loss.

02:01:05.000 That was one of the dumbest rules.

02:01:08.000 I remember you saying that too.

02:01:11.000 He was already finished.

02:01:12.000 The fight was done.

02:01:13.000 Yeah, he stopped him.

02:01:14.000 The fight was already done before the elbows even came into it.

02:01:18.000 When he dropped him, that's when the guy's shoulder popped out.

02:01:22.000 And Matt Hamill is staying still already.

02:01:24.000 He's getting crushed.

02:01:25.000 He was getting crushed in that fight.

02:01:27.000 It wasn't a competitive fight at all.

02:01:28.000 John was smashing him.

02:01:30.000 And then the fact that they gave that as a win to Matt Hamill is just bananas.

02:01:34.000 Doesn't make any sense.

02:01:35.000 At the very least, it should be a no contest.

02:01:37.000 He should be undefeated.

02:01:38.000 He should be undefeated.

02:01:39.000 It should be a win.

02:01:41.000 I think it should be a win.

02:01:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:01:43.000 The fight was done when he did the trip.

02:01:46.000 He popped the shoulder and went to miles.

02:01:48.000 And then he was smashing him.

02:01:49.000 Look, this fucking rule is dumb.

02:01:51.000 This 12 to 6 elbow rule is dumb.

02:01:53.000 I don't understand how I can 12 to 6 you for standing up, like jump.

02:01:57.000 If I jump in the air and I, like, what is that, 20 jaw you?

02:02:01.000 Yeah, that's legal.

02:02:02.000 It's legal, but then once we go to the ground, it's like, I don't understand.

02:02:05.000 I don't see what is the difference of both of it, you know?

02:02:08.000 It's an old rule, and it was brought together because John McCarthy said that they were talking to the commissioners When they were first starting to establish rules.

02:02:17.000 Yeah, you said they broke ice, right?

02:02:18.000 Yeah, they'd see one of those ESPN things.

02:02:19.000 You don't see people break ice with punching fists down?

02:02:22.000 Right, they do that too.

02:02:22.000 You know what I mean?

02:02:23.000 Kicking.

02:02:23.000 They use their head.

02:02:24.000 They headbutt, you know?

02:02:26.000 It's dumb.

02:02:26.000 Some guys do it like this.

02:02:28.000 Yeah, it's a dumb, dumb, dumb rule.

02:02:31.000 But anyway, the bottom line is John is undefeated.

02:02:33.000 Yeah, 100%.

02:02:34.000 And then Khabib's undefeated.

02:02:35.000 And who else?

02:02:36.000 What other champion is undefeated?

02:02:38.000 I don't think there's another one.

02:02:40.000 Cejudo's been beat.

02:02:42.000 I mean, who else?

02:02:45.000 You know, it's Khabib.

02:02:46.000 Khabib's the only one as a champion.

02:02:49.000 You know, Usman lost in one of his early fights.

02:02:52.000 Wait, in Bender style?

02:02:53.000 Is he undefeated?

02:02:54.000 No.

02:02:55.000 Well, he's undefeated in MMA. Yes.

02:02:58.000 He lost to Alex Pereira, that fucking demon.

02:03:04.000 He's listed as undefeated for MMA. Stylebender.

02:03:07.000 So it's Stylebender, Jon Jones, and Khabib.

02:03:11.000 Yeah, so he's undefeated in MMA. I think he's only got one or two losses.

02:03:16.000 Is the China girl?

02:03:17.000 The China champ?

02:03:19.000 Wei Li Zhang.

02:03:20.000 Oh, she got one.

02:03:21.000 Zhang Wei Li.

02:03:22.000 You have to say it backwards now.

02:03:24.000 Zhang Wei Li.

02:03:25.000 Does she have a loss?

02:03:26.000 She's not on this list.

02:03:28.000 She's not?

02:03:29.000 It's like a list of all undefeated fighters.

02:03:32.000 Oh, yeah.

02:03:33.000 So she probably has a loss early in her career.

02:03:35.000 She's a monster, man.

02:03:37.000 That's big, too, for a girl like that to be that good and represent Chyna.

02:03:41.000 Chyna has so many people.

02:03:43.000 It's huge for the UFC. Huge.

02:03:46.000 When she fought that girl, Jessica Andrade, too, Jessica Andrade was a beast.

02:03:51.000 For her to starch her like that in the first round, very, very impressive.

02:03:55.000 That was crazy.

02:03:56.000 It's a crazy time for the sport, right?

02:03:58.000 What a time to be alive.

02:04:00.000 It's awesome.

02:04:01.000 So, how do you feel right now?

02:04:03.000 What happens now?

02:04:05.000 You relax for a couple weeks, and then you concentrate on a rematch.

02:04:08.000 Is that what happens?

02:04:09.000 We see what happens.

02:04:10.000 Whatever.

02:04:10.000 I don't...

02:04:11.000 I don't know.

02:04:12.000 I cannot say, oh yeah, the rematch, blah blah, this and that.

02:04:16.000 It has to be a rematch.

02:04:19.000 Let me talk for you.

02:04:20.000 If the UFC wants, if the fans want, we see what happens.

02:04:24.000 I would love that.

02:04:24.000 I'm a competitor.

02:04:26.000 Everybody's like, you don't want a rematch, this and that.

02:04:29.000 I'm like, are you stupid?

02:04:31.000 Are you dumb?

02:04:33.000 I want to fight.

02:04:34.000 This guy, I got losses on my record.

02:04:37.000 I want to fight every single one of them again.

02:04:39.000 You know what I mean?

02:04:40.000 That's just how I am.

02:04:40.000 I'm a competitor.

02:04:41.000 We compete.

02:04:43.000 And if it's the rematch, it's the rematch.

02:04:45.000 You know, if it's not, if it's a different weight class, different weight class.

02:04:47.000 If it's up a couple of weight, I don't give it...

02:04:49.000 I just want to be the world's best fighter ever.

02:04:52.000 And I want the most interesting fights.

02:04:54.000 If you guys want to see me fight somebody, let me know.

02:04:58.000 Whoever you want to see me fight, you guys think it's real gangsters.

02:05:02.000 Whoever you guys think a real gangsters fight is, let me have my chops at them.

02:05:06.000 Beautiful.

02:05:06.000 I love that attitude, man.

02:05:08.000 That's one of the reasons why you're so popular.

02:05:10.000 It really is.

02:05:11.000 Thank you.

02:05:11.000 It's beautiful, man.

02:05:12.000 And fun to talk to you, man.

02:05:13.000 I really enjoyed it.

02:05:14.000 We finally did it.

02:05:14.000 We made it happen, brother.

02:05:16.000 We made it happen.

02:05:17.000 I'm still going to ask you every time after the fight.

02:05:19.000 We've got to keep it going.

02:05:19.000 Any time, man.

02:05:20.000 Let's keep it going after every fight.

02:05:22.000 Come on in, man.

02:05:22.000 Every fight in Vegas is real close.

02:05:24.000 Come on in.

02:05:26.000 Follow him on Instagram.

02:05:27.000 Follow him on Twitter.

02:05:28.000 Max Holloway, ladies and gentlemen.

02:05:30.000 Thank you, brother.

02:05:30.000 Appreciate it.

02:05:31.000 Thank you, brother.

02:05:31.000 Thank you.

02:05:33.000 We did it, Max.

02:05:34.000 That was good.

The Joe Rogan Experience - March 01, 2011

JRE MMA Show #85 with Max Holloway

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