The Joe Rogan Experience - JRE MMA Show #97 with Henry Cejudo

00:00:01.000 Henry Sahudo!

00:00:03.000 How are you, sir?

00:00:04.000 I'm doing good, Joe.

00:00:05.000 Thank you for having me.

00:00:06.000 What does it feel like?

00:00:07.000 What does it feel like having stepped back?

00:00:10.000 You step away, you get to look at it from a fresh perspective.

00:00:14.000 What does this feel like?

00:00:16.000 It feels good, man.

00:00:18.000 I think the biggest thing with me, Joe, is there's satisfaction in my life.

00:00:23.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:00:23.000 I've done so much in the sport.

00:00:26.000 And I can compare myself a little bit to Daniel.

00:00:29.000 If Daniel would have beat Stipe Miocic and he would have retired on top, he could almost say retired as a two-division world champ.

00:00:37.000 And I don't feel like I have that chip on my shoulder.

00:00:40.000 As a wrestler, I retired from the Olympics at a very young age.

00:00:44.000 I decided to come back three years later, but it was already done.

00:00:48.000 I retired at the age of 21. And then now at the age of 33, I'm truly calling it quits unless there's a couple fights that if I do come back.

00:00:58.000 I like that word, unless.

00:01:00.000 I like that word.

00:01:02.000 Yeah, and as you know, before it was about the money a little bit with the UFC. And obviously, you know, everybody does have a price.

00:01:11.000 But I think there's a fight that I would really like in the UFC, and that would be against Alexander Volkanovski.

00:01:18.000 Really?

00:01:19.000 At 45?

00:01:20.000 At 45. If they were to give me an opportunity to go up and obviously be compensated, then that would be a fight that would really wake me up in the morning and be like, hey man, this is a challenge.

00:01:31.000 This is a whole new mountain.

00:01:32.000 A chance to be a three-division world champion.

00:01:36.000 A chance to be a three-division world champion.

00:01:38.000 As you know, a lot of people have counted me out against Demetrius, against TJ, against Marlon.

00:01:43.000 Maybe it was you too, Joe.

00:01:44.000 No, no, no.

00:01:45.000 And I think that's what I love about it.

00:01:47.000 You can't find any evidence of me counting you out, sir.

00:01:50.000 Never.

00:01:51.000 So, I love that.

00:01:53.000 I love challenges.

00:01:54.000 Since I was a kid, I knew I was different.

00:01:56.000 I knew I was special.

00:01:59.000 What is it that you knew?

00:02:00.000 What separates you?

00:02:03.000 Oh my god, I think it's a couple of things.

00:02:05.000 If I was to explain it to you, like what's made me successful.

00:02:08.000 And I've seen it, you know, being at the Olympic Training Center as a high school kid and living out there for four years.

00:02:15.000 And that's actually where I met Daniel.

00:02:16.000 And I was a 16-year-old kid when I first met these guys.

00:02:19.000 And I was able to analyze a lot of the greats like, you know, Stephen Abbas, Daniel Cormier, a lot of the Olympic team.

00:02:26.000 And what I've learned now at the age of 33, I learned that there's been two things that have separated me from the rest of the pack.

00:02:32.000 It's two things with what I call heart and ability.

00:02:35.000 And I was actually able to tell this story to Chachri, the founder and CEO of One FC. So it's two things.

00:02:45.000 I call it heart and ability.

00:02:47.000 What is your heart?

00:02:47.000 Your heart is your passion, your will, your desire, your determination.

00:02:51.000 Your heart is something that you're willing to suffer for in order to obtain.

00:02:55.000 Now, the next one is ability.

00:02:58.000 Ability is a gift that you have since it's a coordination.

00:03:03.000 It's something that you've repped over time where you become a master at it.

00:03:07.000 And what happens a lot of time, I always tell people it's good to question one or the other.

00:03:12.000 It's good to question the mind.

00:03:14.000 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, the heart or the ability because to be the 1% of the 1% is like both of these things have to match. 0.89

00:03:21.000 What happens is a lot of people have heart, but their ability is like way down here.

00:03:26.000 You know, their ability doesn't match their heart or their abilities up here and they're just a little lazy and can't really put the, you know, because there is a separation between mind and body and your job is to connect them both.

00:03:39.000 And I'm going to use an example. 0.99

00:03:41.000 With Marlon Marais, you saw me getting my ass kicked. 0.99

00:03:44.000 You saw me getting late kicked. 0.99

00:03:45.000 You know, from the first all the way to the second round, but I knew that I had to connect and make that transition.

00:03:50.000 That was a combination of combining the heart and the ability.

00:03:55.000 You know, so I was able to kind of...

00:03:56.000 So what separated me, I'd say that, I think is being gifted through the ability and then just having a passion, a will that's just second to none.

00:04:06.000 There's a lot of other factors, though, isn't there?

00:04:10.000 Not just ability, it's also you have to be coached by someone who really knows what they're doing.

00:04:16.000 There's so many guys out there that are really tough, and they have will, and they work out hard, and they're in shape, but they just make technical mistakes, and they've never corrected those mistakes.

00:04:26.000 Yeah.

00:04:27.000 Well, I think that also goes back on the ability.

00:04:29.000 I would put that into the ability portion.

00:04:32.000 The reason why is because you got to put yourself in the right situations.

00:04:36.000 Like, I didn't start winning until I let go of my coaches.

00:04:40.000 The first time I lost to Demetrius Johnson, it was...

00:04:43.000 Man, it was hard, and this sounds very crazy and cynical, but it was kind of hard to blame myself.

00:04:50.000 Even though I was training, because I knew, coming from the Olympic sport, that I had a coach that could take me to the top, and there was no ifs or whats.

00:04:57.000 I knew he knew the recipe.

00:04:59.000 And it's still a fairly new sport.

00:05:02.000 So I knew that I had to find the professors.

00:05:05.000 I knew that I had to find the scientists.

00:05:07.000 And all this together in order for me to become that perfect storm.

00:05:10.000 So that's exactly what we did.

00:05:12.000 Putting the science, the recovery, finding the right coaches, listening to my ability, understanding my biomechanics.

00:05:20.000 It was a mixture of all these things that separated me from the first time I fought Demetrius.

00:05:27.000 To just being a legend killer, man.

00:05:29.000 To being all these guys that they said, you know, Demetrius Johnson, TJ, you know, Marlon Marais, Dominic Cruz, man.

00:05:35.000 That's a hell of a list, Joe.

00:05:37.000 That's a hell of a list.

00:05:38.000 You know, that's a hell of a list, man.

00:05:39.000 It's one of the reasons why it bums me out that you retired.

00:05:42.000 Look, I... Conflicting feelings.

00:05:44.000 One, I'm happy.

00:05:45.000 I'm happy you're retired.

00:05:47.000 Young and healthy, and you can do anything you want, man.

00:05:49.000 I really believe a guy who can accomplish what you accomplished inside the octagon and also winning an Olympic gold medalist.

00:05:55.000 You're winning an Olympic gold medal in wrestling at 21 years old, retiring from the sport, then getting into MMA, becoming a two-division world champion in MMA, and then stepping away while you're still healthy and at the peak of your abilities.

00:06:08.000 Part of me loves that.

00:06:09.000 I love the fact that you did what you wanted to do and then you step away.

00:06:12.000 But part of me looks back Like say when you fought Benavidez or say when you fought Demetrius the first time and then looks at you now like you're a completely different animal Nobody had been able to shut down Dominic Cruz's footwork game But you came in and just chopped the shit out of his legs just right off the bat you you Whatever advantage we thought that he would have with his footwork and movement was actually becoming a disadvantage because you you were using that Against him.

00:06:43.000 You found the angles, and you found the perfect times to attack his legs, and then you put him away, which is also something no one's ever done before except Uriah caught him in a submission and finished him.

00:06:54.000 But no one's ever put him away the way you did.

00:06:57.000 Yeah, and I think it's all about game planning.

00:06:59.000 I think the ability that I have, too, that separates me, too, is the fact that I'm Watch all my fights, man.

00:07:06.000 I fight everybody different.

00:07:07.000 Like, I really do, man.

00:07:08.000 There's times where I have to use wrestling as I did with the Beatrice.

00:07:10.000 Well, the Wilson Hayes fight's a great example. 0.92

00:07:12.000 You came out like a karate guy.

00:07:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:07:14.000 I was like, holy shit, look at this! 0.99

00:07:16.000 You were like Wonderboy! 0.99

00:07:17.000 Sideway stamps, like, hands down.

00:07:19.000 You really fought like a karate guy. 1.00

00:07:22.000 And then when you caught him with that straight punch and dropped him, I was like, look at this shit! 1.00

00:07:26.000 This is crazy! 0.99

00:07:27.000 Like, you fought a different style.

00:07:30.000 Yeah, and I think with Dominic, too, just to get back to him, In order for you to understand the funk, you have to train for the funk.

00:07:40.000 If you don't train for Dominic, if you think you can just go out there and just fight or train the way you train and try to fight Dominic, you're gonna be missing.

00:07:49.000 So throughout my training camps, I treated almost like a wrestler, like a boxer.

00:07:53.000 My training camp, I build a team around me.

00:07:56.000 A mentor, actually, who's here, Dave Zowan, who's been helping me to shape.

00:08:01.000 He's a businessman, but he's been able to help me to form, obviously, the perfect storm.

00:08:06.000 We brought guys in from California that mimic just like Dominic, that were just a little faster than Dominic.

00:08:11.000 And I knew that I wasn't even trying to touch his face because I knew that he was a hard hit.

00:08:16.000 But I also knew that he would leave his legs a lot.

00:08:19.000 You can push your body backwards, but your legs will always be in that same position.

00:08:24.000 So the whole game plan since the beginning, this is why I felt so confident in that fight.

00:08:29.000 Through training was to continue just keep taking his legs out as much as I can.

00:08:33.000 Did the first round of your fight with Marlon Marais sort of open your eyes to like how effective that can be in a fight?

00:08:41.000 Absolutely, man.

00:08:41.000 We saw it this weekend.

00:08:43.000 We saw it this weekend.

00:08:44.000 You mentioned it actually.

00:08:45.000 And I was a little bummed out you mentioned it because a lot of people don't see those little details.

00:08:50.000 Those calf kicks, man.

00:08:51.000 You start to take out that lead leg, man.

00:08:53.000 You lose your mobility.

00:08:55.000 It's insane how we've had all these years of MMA, right?

00:08:59.000 1993, the UFC starts.

00:09:00.000 Here we are in 2020. But it's really only been the last two years or so.

00:09:05.000 I give credit to Benson Henderson.

00:09:06.000 Because Benson Henderson was the first guy to really bring it to MMA. But for whatever reason, it wasn't as devastating when he was doing it.

00:09:13.000 I don't know if he was doing it differently, but there was no moment in a fight where he kicked someone's calf and you saw immediately them buckling.

00:09:19.000 But you're seeing that now with these guys.

00:09:21.000 Like, immediately one, two kicks, and their leg is semi-useless.

00:09:26.000 Yeah, you look at somebody like Justin Gaethje.

00:09:28.000 Justin Gaethje is...

00:09:30.000 Man, if people don't catch on to that, if Khabib don't catch on to that...

00:09:34.000 And he's in trouble.

00:09:35.000 And I know them both.

00:09:36.000 He said wide out in the open. 0.90

00:09:39.000 He said, when I fight Khabib, he goes, I'm not even going to try to kick him in his thighs. 0.98

00:09:42.000 I'm just going to kick him with that low calf kick. 0.99

00:09:44.000 He goes, I'm going to kick him four times. 1.00

00:09:46.000 He goes, after four times, he's fucked. 1.00

00:09:48.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:09:48.000 And he saw that. 1.00

00:09:49.000 You watch the fight with him and Etten Barbosa.

00:09:51.000 And Etten Barbosa, he's a high-level striker.

00:09:54.000 But what really broke down Etten Barbosa was what Justin did to him.

00:09:59.000 He started whipping that calf kick.

00:10:01.000 And actually, right before I even fought Dominic, Like I went on YouTube, like this is like maybe an hour before I went to the arena, and I just put like some Justin Gaethje highlights.

00:10:11.000 Just ruthless, man. 0.95

00:10:13.000 Just really just swinging those kids with bad intentions, almost just to murder you. 0.97

00:10:18.000 And also the reason why I've been able to kick and do things like that because I'm very confident with my takedown defense. 0.89

00:10:24.000 It's like Jon Jones.

00:10:25.000 Jon Jones is so comfortable with the stand-up because he knows his ability to stop Tony from taking him down are just so much higher.

00:10:32.000 And I feel that same way, so I become a little more free with my kicks and punches and things of that matter.

00:10:37.000 We saw two guys in one of the weight classes that you ruled over, Alex Perez and Jussie Formiga, this past weekend.

00:10:44.000 And Alex Perez stopped him with those low leg kicks.

00:10:47.000 Two UFCs in a row, we've seen guys get stopped with low leg kicks.

00:10:51.000 It's crazy.

00:10:52.000 It's crazy how prominent that technique has become.

00:10:56.000 It has, it has, and I think we're going to start seeing more of it.

00:11:00.000 So people are going to have to start adjusting, man, because there's, what was it, there's two stoppages within, there's a stoppage before Alex Perez recently that came out.

00:11:08.000 Yeah, last week.

00:11:09.000 Last week, I forget who was fighting, but...

00:11:13.000 It was another stoppage because of leg kicks.

00:11:15.000 In that stoppage, the dude crushed both of his legs.

00:11:18.000 I apologize for not remembering the names.

00:11:21.000 I didn't call that fight either.

00:11:23.000 If I called it, I'd probably remember it.

00:11:25.000 But the low leg kick is just a gigantic factor.

00:11:29.000 When you were fighting Marlon Marais, it seemed like he was a bit of a step ahead of you in the first round.

00:11:37.000 But you made some serious adjustments in between.

00:11:40.000 It was like two different fights. 0.97

00:11:41.000 It was like the first round was like, damn, this is not going well for Henry. 0.98

00:11:44.000 And then going into the second round, like damn, this is not going well for Marlon. 0.99

00:11:47.000 Like you, it was a totally different fight. 0.98

00:11:49.000 It's like you figured the adjustment out, figured out what you needed to do, you stepped in further, you were closer, and you started attacking.

00:11:55.000 Yeah, and I think a lot of that too, Joe, and if I was...

00:12:00.000 I know when to fight and when to compete.

00:12:05.000 First, I went in there with a sprained ankle.

00:12:07.000 This is why I had my ankle tape.

00:12:10.000 And actually, Marlon's team had heard me scream on Tuesday night when all this happened.

00:12:15.000 So they knew I was somewhat injured.

00:12:18.000 When did you scream?

00:12:20.000 I twisted my ankle between the UFC mats.

00:12:22.000 That has some cheap tape.

00:12:24.000 And then between the mats, when I stepped in, I rolled my ankle bad.

00:12:29.000 I have pictures of it.

00:12:30.000 It's black and blue.

00:12:34.000 But I still wanted to fight, so...

00:12:36.000 You know, so anyway, so, you know, I went in there, hurt or whatnot, but I knew that that first round, and you said, you mentioned it too during the fight, you said, I think this might be a survival round for Henry, and it absolutely was.

00:12:47.000 So I knew when to fight and when to compete, but I also knew that Marlon Merlin was throwing so much power And I've gone against some of the best in the world, and I was like, dude, there's no way he's going to be able to maintain all that power for five rounds.

00:13:02.000 And I don't think this kid has any idea, as a wrestler, because he's never wrestled before, how much pain a guy like me can endure.

00:13:09.000 So he can say he was tired, he can say that something happened, but in reality, it's a mixture of two things.

00:13:15.000 He blew his wad, and this guy here could...

00:13:20.000 Which is me, could take a lot of pain.

00:13:23.000 I was with Mike not too long ago and I asked him, I was like, hey Mike, this is Mike Tyson.

00:13:28.000 I'm like, how would you describe Muhammad Ali, man?

00:13:32.000 What was the difference between him and everybody else?

00:13:35.000 And he sat there and he thought about it and he's like...

00:13:38.000 Which was cool to hear, man, because I can put myself in those shoes and he's like, he's like, man, Muhammad Ali was a guy that I've never seen before because he could just endure so much pain.

00:13:51.000 Like the dude could just endure so much pain that it's almost like the average guy would fold, the average guy would probably get killed, but Ali just had a certain will to him that separated him from everybody else.

00:14:05.000 It was the fact that he was able to endure pain.

00:14:08.000 You don't hear that too often.

00:14:09.000 It's true though. 0.96

00:14:10.000 If you watch his fight with Ken Norton, he fought most of the fight with a broken jaw.

00:14:15.000 Yeah, I mean...

00:14:16.000 This is heavyweights, too, man.

00:14:18.000 Hell yeah, man.

00:14:18.000 That's probably a five-pound jaw, too, huh?

00:14:20.000 Heavyweights, man.

00:14:21.000 He fought big heavyweights.

00:14:22.000 I mean, George Foreman in his prime.

00:14:25.000 Joe Frazier, when Joe Frazier was in his prime.

00:14:28.000 Ah, same example.

00:14:29.000 George Foreman, Louis Watt.

00:14:32.000 Yep.

00:14:32.000 He had no idea how much pain Ali could endure.

00:14:36.000 Yep.

00:14:36.000 And how much movement Ali had going for him.

00:14:39.000 Ali was so slick.

00:14:42.000 There's a famous video of Ali with his hands on the ropes and George is just winging punches at him and Ali is using the ropes.

00:14:51.000 He's holding on to the ropes and using the ropes.

00:14:54.000 And he's not even putting his hands up at all.

00:14:57.000 And the most murderous puncher up to that time since Sonny Liston.

00:15:00.000 In the history of the heavyweight division.

00:15:01.000 You got like, Joe Frazier was a power puncher.

00:15:05.000 Joe Lewis was a sniper.

00:15:07.000 He was an excellent power puncher.

00:15:08.000 But George Foreman would lift people in the air.

00:15:11.000 He would hit people.

00:15:13.000 Like, you ever see his first knockout with Joe Frazier?

00:15:15.000 Yeah, he had knocked him on, then he fought Ali, right after he beat Frazier, yeah.

00:15:18.000 When he fought Frazier, he literally lifted him in the air with a punch.

00:15:22.000 That's how hard Joe Frazier would hit. 0.99

00:15:24.000 And Ali, no hands up, just holding onto the ropes, doing this shit, sitting in front of him, leaning back, doing this shit. 1.00

00:15:31.000 Crazy. 0.99

00:15:32.000 Yeah, but imagine how many of those punches, even though they get hit in the face, imagine how many of those punches.

00:15:37.000 George Foreman was thrown at him and then Ali was just laughing and talking to him.

00:15:41.000 It's a certain mind power, man.

00:15:44.000 It's a mind power.

00:15:45.000 That you cannot...

00:15:46.000 You just cannot replicate, man.

00:15:48.000 It's got to be in you.

00:15:49.000 Right.

00:15:50.000 Or you have to have developed it over time and have complete confidence in it.

00:15:55.000 I think you can build mental toughness.

00:15:58.000 I really do.

00:16:00.000 But I think you have to be very conscious about it.

00:16:02.000 I think it has to be done over time.

00:16:04.000 Some people build mental toughness because of their environment.

00:16:07.000 Or because of how they grew up or some of the bad things they faced in their life.

00:16:11.000 And some people build mental toughness out of a decision.

00:16:14.000 They make a decision to be mentally tough.

00:16:15.000 And then they actually cultivate that.

00:16:19.000 They work on that.

00:16:20.000 I think it's a mixture of both.

00:16:22.000 And this is why sometimes I respect more of the upper middle class when they become champions.

00:16:27.000 Especially in a rough sport like wrestling or MMA. It's because I feel like minorities are people that have gone through adversity.

00:16:35.000 It's like, man, we have an advantage because it's through the nurture side of things.

00:16:40.000 How you were raised, man.

00:16:41.000 I'm one of seven kids, Joe, raised by a single mother.

00:16:46.000 I was the youngest, man, so I was a kid that was picked on.

00:16:51.000 It's different when you're the smallest in an immigrant family. 0.99

00:16:55.000 It's like, dude, you're the last one to eat.

00:16:56.000 You're going to get beat up pretty much the majority of your childhood.

00:17:00.000 You start getting to that age where you can kind of fight back.

00:17:03.000 So, a lot of it, I guess, you owe through the nature and nurture, obviously genetics, your mother and father, but also through the nature side of it.

00:17:12.000 How you were raised, man.

00:17:13.000 How tough are you?

00:17:14.000 Me, as a kid growing up, I remember as a family, hot summer days would come around.

00:17:19.000 We didn't eat, man.

00:17:21.000 We didn't eat, man.

00:17:22.000 Going to school was a place for us to, like, at least I could see.

00:17:26.000 My family, they don't talk about that stuff so much.

00:17:28.000 They're a little more private.

00:17:29.000 But for me, it was like, dude, I get a chance to eat lunch and breakfast. 0.99

00:17:32.000 Well, that was a big problem with this COVID shit, where they shut schools down. 0.99

00:17:36.000 And a lot of kids are in that same position, where that was their opportunity to eat. 0.98

00:17:41.000 And some people were just not aware of that, that that's where a lot of people got their food, was at school.

00:17:46.000 Right, right.

00:17:47.000 And I was one of those kids.

00:17:48.000 So if there's any of those kids or any of those guys that are adults now, it's like, hey, man, be happy for that.

00:17:54.000 Because I tell you what's made me has been adversity, man.

00:17:57.000 It's understanding that grind, that grit, man, of being angry and things like that.

00:18:03.000 And if you're able to challenge that into something constructive...

00:18:07.000 Yeah.

00:18:07.000 Joe, I'm a living example, man.

00:18:09.000 You are.

00:18:10.000 You are.

00:18:10.000 Look at that flag behind you.

00:18:11.000 I represented that flag.

00:18:13.000 You did.

00:18:14.000 You know?

00:18:15.000 And ironically, you know, my mom came to this country, you know, maybe not the most political way.

00:18:22.000 But she came to this country to live the American dream, and her American dream was just to make sure her kids... 0.89

00:18:27.000 Well, it's a timing thing, you know, because my grandparents came over here too, but they came over here when it was easy. 0.99

00:18:34.000 You just came over, and you just signed some shit, and you were in. 0.97

00:18:36.000 You know, in the early 1900s. 0.99

00:18:40.000 Look, if that's how it was today, you wouldn't have the kind of illegal immigration you have today.

00:18:47.000 This country was founded on people coming over here because it was easy. 0.99

00:18:51.000 It was a better place to live.

00:18:53.000 You have a better life for your family.

00:18:54.000 But there was no hoops to jump through.

00:18:57.000 My grandparents just arrived.

00:18:59.000 They just came here and moved in. 0.99

00:19:01.000 I mean, they didn't have to take any serious tests or do any crazy shit. 0.99

00:19:06.000 They just came in. 0.98

00:19:08.000 You know, they didn't have to prove that they had some special skills.

00:19:11.000 Like now, it's very difficult for people to come over here and to get citizenship.

00:19:17.000 No, it is.

00:19:18.000 And I do believe, even as an immigrant, that there is a pathway to citizenship.

00:19:22.000 Because you're right, times do change.

00:19:24.000 And you have to adjust to whatever political power is going on right now.

00:19:29.000 I just happen to be fortunate that my mom did it.

00:19:33.000 Yeah, your mom did it, yeah.

00:19:35.000 I said, she crossed. 0.98

00:19:36.000 I'm here now.

00:19:37.000 I think guys like you are amazing sources of inspiration for other people that are struggling.

00:19:42.000 And this is crazy, Joe.

00:19:43.000 So I'm going to mention something to you.

00:19:44.000 It's like my mom, both of my parents came here illegally.

00:19:47.000 I'll just say it, man.

00:19:48.000 You guys forgive me.

00:19:50.000 Don't tell Trump.

00:19:53.000 Well, my mom was granted her citizenship.

00:19:55.000 So when I won the Olympics, my mom wasn't able to attend the 2000 Olympics due to her citizenship status. 0.74

00:20:01.000 So then three years later after that, she was awarded her citizenship at the age of 20. So, you know, I stand on both fences, man.

00:20:09.000 Like my dad, he was, you know, my father, which I was just raised by my mother.

00:20:14.000 He committed crimes in and out.

00:20:16.000 He was in and out of jail here in California.

00:20:17.000 He was actually deported.

00:20:19.000 So I was a five-year-old kid.

00:20:20.000 My dad was the poor.

00:20:21.000 He never came back to America.

00:20:22.000 So I understand both sides, man.

00:20:25.000 And I hate to say this, but it's true. 0.84

00:20:27.000 My dad came here as a foreigner, as an illegal, and he decided to break the law, man. 1.00

00:20:33.000 And rightfully so, man.

00:20:35.000 He should go back to his native country. 1.00

00:20:36.000 My mother came here illegally, paid her fine, paid her taxes and whatnot, and then she was granted her citizenship in 2008. 2011, man.

00:20:49.000 So, I've been able to speak on this on behalf of Congress and kind of share my story to the world, man, because, man, it's almost like I've become neutral.

00:20:58.000 You break the law, you go, man. 1.00

00:21:00.000 You obey the law after a certain amount of time, man.

00:21:03.000 Maybe you might get granted as an American.

00:21:05.000 Yeah.

00:21:07.000 Yeah, it's a very frustrating thing for people who do want to have a better life for their family and they realize how difficult it is to come here.

00:21:16.000 I fully understand illegal immigration.

00:21:19.000 I fully understand wanting to keep out people that are criminals and people that are murderers and people that are in the drug trade.

00:21:26.000 But if I was a person who was struggling to feed my family in South America or in Mexico or wherever, and I found out that I could sneak in and that I could do better, I would sneak in.

00:21:37.000 Yeah.

00:21:37.000 I would do it.

00:21:38.000 100%.

00:21:39.000 And anybody says they wouldn't, you're lying.

00:21:41.000 Yeah.

00:21:42.000 You're lying.

00:21:43.000 If you found out there was a place across the border where you could make five times as much and you could send money back and all you had to do is grind, this place where literally anybody can go from being completely impoverished to being on top of the world,

00:21:58.000 being a millionaire.

00:21:59.000 This is the place.

00:22:00.000 I think the best example, man, I hate to use the example because he's burned a lot of people, is Don King.

00:22:07.000 Well, Don King is maybe not the best example because he was born in America, first of all, and he's a murderer, twice, twice over.

00:22:15.000 You know, he's an example of a different time.

00:22:17.000 And, you know, you talk to guys like Mike Tyson, he'll tell you that that guy played me.

00:22:22.000 Right, right.

00:22:22.000 Yeah, you're probably right.

00:22:24.000 Maybe Don King.

00:22:24.000 But what I'm saying is he's been able to come out of, you know, obviously he was a murderer, but he was able to somewhat make it in the sport that he desired to be at that time.

00:22:34.000 I'm not, you know, obviously I think we all know he's a crook.

00:22:38.000 But, man, it lets you know what America's able to do, man.

00:22:41.000 It doesn't matter what you've done in life.

00:22:43.000 You really do get only a second, a third, but a fourth and a thousand opportunities.

00:22:47.000 He's from a different era.

00:22:48.000 I feel like if the internet was around, well, you know, who knows?

00:22:52.000 Maybe he'd be president today.

00:22:54.000 Look at our president, man.

00:22:55.000 This is why, dude, Trump is the example of the American dream.

00:23:01.000 In many ways, yeah.

00:23:03.000 A faulty version of it, but yeah, in many ways, yeah.

00:23:06.000 I think the other person that I would- Actually, probably not the version of the American dream because his dad was rich and he gave him money.

00:23:12.000 Like, he started off, his dad gave him millions of dollars to start businesses.

00:23:16.000 Right, but he turned that into billions, too.

00:23:19.000 He did, but he also went bankrupt a bunch of times, too.

00:23:21.000 You got me, Joe!

00:23:23.000 It's tricky.

00:23:24.000 You can't deny the fact that the guy's been remarkably successful.

00:23:28.000 But the extenuating circumstances that led to that success is very different than your mother sneaking over here because she wanted to do better for her family.

00:23:36.000 That's the raw version of the American dream.

00:23:40.000 I mean, the American dream is really immigration. 0.86

00:23:43.000 I'm a version of the American dream.

00:23:45.000 I'm a third generation American.

00:23:47.000 My grandparents came over here because they wanted a better life.

00:23:51.000 Their parents wanted a better life.

00:23:52.000 They came over here from Italy and from Ireland.

00:23:55.000 Yeah, it's a trip, man.

00:23:57.000 When you talk about things like that, you know who I think of a lot when you talk about the American Dream?

00:24:02.000 In my opinion, I feel like he's somewhat misunderstood in our MMA community or just in general, man, is Ali Abdelaziz, man.

00:24:12.000 A dude that came from Egypt, you know, came to America.

00:24:16.000 I remember Ali, I've known him for a minute since 2004. He would sell FUBU. He was just hustling the whole time out of Colorado Springs.

00:24:28.000 Now he's got over 150 fighters.

00:24:30.000 He's got five champions in the UFC. This dude is...

00:24:35.000 When I think of the American Dream, I really do think of somebody like Like Ollie.

00:24:39.000 Well, he's a very controversial guy.

00:24:41.000 He is.

00:24:42.000 He is.

00:24:42.000 But his clients love him.

00:24:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:46.000 You know, it's hard to deny that.

00:24:48.000 His clients love him. 0.99

00:24:49.000 I mean, there's a lot of people that say a lot of wild shit about him. 0.99

00:24:52.000 I don't know how much of it's true. 0.99

00:24:53.000 Yeah.

00:24:53.000 But the bottom line is you talk to guys like Justin Gagey, guys like yourself, you know, many fighters that have had come in here that are repped by him and they love the guy.

00:25:03.000 Yeah, Khabib, Frankie, all these dudes, Cody, Verdum, and he's been able to, and I've been there and I've never seen this before, but he's kind of like the glue with all of us.

00:25:13.000 Dude, I was eating lunch and dinner with Marlon.

00:25:19.000 Were you really?

00:25:20.000 Yeah, not too long.

00:25:21.000 This is like maybe...

00:25:24.000 Four months after my fight.

00:25:26.000 Oh, wow.

00:25:26.000 I mean, I'm sure it must have stung, but out of the respect for him.

00:25:30.000 And I told that to Ali.

00:25:31.000 I'm like, Ali, man, these dudes are good.

00:25:32.000 Because I was picking on Frankie Edgar, too.

00:25:34.000 But I was like, man, you're next, dude.

00:25:35.000 You're going to bend the knee.

00:25:37.000 And I was like, Ali, these dudes are going to want to fight me, man.

00:25:39.000 There's two against one.

00:25:40.000 Who's back?

00:25:41.000 He's like, my brother.

00:25:43.000 He's like, you think they're going to do that when I'm here, man?

00:25:45.000 He's like, these guys respect as much as you, dude.

00:25:47.000 I'm just like, huh.

00:25:48.000 And then we sat down.

00:25:49.000 It was just like nothing ever happened, man.

00:25:50.000 Well, that's very cool that Marlon has that kind of character that he could sit down with you after that fight.

00:25:55.000 That's very cool.

00:25:56.000 Yeah.

00:25:57.000 Marlon's an interesting guy, man.

00:25:58.000 He's one of those guys that you wonder, is he too big for that division?

00:26:03.000 How much weight is that man cutting? 0.99

00:26:05.000 He's so fucking big. 0.99

00:26:07.000 To see him get down to 135, you look how shredded he is. 0.99

00:26:11.000 What do you walk around at?

00:26:12.000 He looks like he walks around about 160-something.

00:26:15.000 Yeah.

00:26:15.000 Yeah, he's big, and I personally think that Marlon could hurt some people at 145 pounds.

00:26:21.000 I think so, too.

00:26:22.000 Yeah, it's that risk versus reward.

00:26:26.000 Like, when do you go up?

00:26:29.000 When do you stay down?

00:26:31.000 Like, how much are you beating your body up?

00:26:32.000 And then you got some guys who go down later in their career.

00:26:38.000 Barbosa is a good example.

00:26:39.000 Barbosa in his last fight.

00:26:41.000 I thought he got robbed.

00:26:42.000 I thought he won that decision.

00:26:44.000 And he got down to 145. That's not always the answer, Joe.

00:26:48.000 I mean, look at me, I was at 125 pounds, and could I still make it?

00:26:51.000 Yeah, I could still make it.

00:26:53.000 But the fatigue that it'd bring to me, like, I think the psychology side, too, of cutting weight, like, going down is not always the answer.

00:27:02.000 I mean, I started having my best success when I decided, like, hey, man, I'm just sick of cutting weight, man.

00:27:08.000 I'm getting ready to go up and, you know, challenge myself at 135 pounds.

00:27:12.000 What you hear from the naysayers, it's like, man, you're too small, man.

00:27:16.000 You're not ready for some power like that.

00:27:17.000 I'm just like, no, I don't think so, man.

00:27:19.000 I think there's an advantage in me for me to feel well.

00:27:22.000 If I feel well and I feel healthy with my speed, you know, I'm a short, compact fighter.

00:27:27.000 It's like, man, trust me, I don't need that much. 0.89

00:27:29.000 As long as I land, I'm going to hurt you, man. 0.94

00:27:31.000 You can be 10 pounds heavier than me. 0.99

00:27:33.000 It doesn't matter.

00:27:35.000 There's been a lot of guys who've moved up and it's been the answer.

00:27:37.000 Jorge Masvidal.

00:27:38.000 Yeah, Masvidal, Calvin.

00:27:40.000 Yeah.

00:27:40.000 Even Kelvin has success.

00:27:42.000 Kelvin, I still think if I was...

00:27:44.000 I mean, if someone gets in Kelvin's ear, I'm like, Kelvin, we got to do this the right way.

00:27:48.000 There's a lot of guys way bigger than you that make 170. I think at 170, he could be a world champion.

00:27:54.000 I really do.

00:27:55.000 He's a scary man when he's in shape and motivated, but he just gets big.

00:28:01.000 Yeah, I think, man, he loves...

00:28:03.000 Loves food?

00:28:04.000 He loves Mary Jane!

00:28:05.000 He loves that too.

00:28:06.000 He loves that too.

00:28:07.000 Yeah, I think that's the...

00:28:08.000 You think that's what it is?

00:28:09.000 Yeah, Calvin is, dude.

00:28:10.000 He's one of my best friends, man.

00:28:11.000 Like, we become super, super close and he's a very gifted, very gifted human being, man.

00:28:18.000 Like, he's...

00:28:20.000 When you see him, looks are deceiving.

00:28:21.000 No, he doesn't have enough, you know, muscle definition.

00:28:25.000 But, man, the dude's athletic ability, what he could do, his counter-punching. 0.97

00:28:31.000 It's like, it's ridiculous.

00:28:33.000 He's got one of the best straight left hands in the business. 0.84

00:28:35.000 The one he dropped Bisping with, like, Jesus. 0.97

00:28:38.000 It's a piston, man.

00:28:40.000 Yeah, but I also feel like, and I see that, I always think, okay, Calvin can make 170. I agree with you, Joe.

00:28:46.000 But what about that happiness portion?

00:28:49.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:28:50.000 Will he be happy throughout that process?

00:28:52.000 Maybe he'll be happy when he lies in bed with that big-ass gold belt.

00:28:55.000 You know?

00:28:56.000 Maybe that's what will make him happy.

00:28:57.000 I got two of them, so I just don't know, Joe.

00:28:59.000 Atta gold medal!

00:29:01.000 Atta gold medal!

00:29:02.000 You're the youngest guy to ever win a gold medal in the Olympics for wrestling?

00:29:05.000 Yes, in 2008. That's amazing.

00:29:07.000 In 2016, Kyle Snyder, who, if he does decide to make a transition to the UFC, a guy like John Jones would be in trouble.

00:29:15.000 You think?

00:29:15.000 Yeah.

00:29:16.000 Yeah, the dude is.

00:29:17.000 Just the reason why I beat Demetrius.

00:29:19.000 You know, obviously, I beat Demetrius.

00:29:21.000 And it was...

00:29:21.000 Joe, I wouldn't be mad.

00:29:22.000 I'm bringing this up right now.

00:29:23.000 I wouldn't be mad if the judges would have gave it to Demetrius, man.

00:29:26.000 You know what?

00:29:26.000 Because it was a hell of a fight.

00:29:27.000 And I would have been like, man, I almost had him.

00:29:30.000 But...

00:29:31.000 You know, the judges, I conveyed enough for the judges to give it to me.

00:29:35.000 And the reason why I was able to beat him was because I nullified a lot of his team with my wrestling, my inside trips, my takedowns.

00:29:42.000 So I completely dismantled this dude, you know what I mean?

00:29:45.000 I took him out of his rhythm when he was used to kind of catching people and then being able to take people down.

00:29:51.000 So I feel like if a guy like Kyle Snyder gets in the game and he's able to kind of go through the process that I've gone through, That's the only guy that I could see beating somebody like Jon Jones.

00:30:02.000 How old is he now?

00:30:03.000 He's young.

00:30:04.000 I want to say he's 24, about to be 25. Interesting.

00:30:09.000 And does he have any desire to fight?

00:30:11.000 He's mentioned it.

00:30:12.000 He's mentioned it.

00:30:13.000 Does he have any experience in stand-up at all?

00:30:16.000 And that's the biggest thing, man.

00:30:18.000 A guy like that, you would have to groom him properly.

00:30:22.000 You don't want to stick a guy like that straight into MMA. Put him into boxing for at least a couple years.

00:30:28.000 This is what I did.

00:30:30.000 I boxed for three years.

00:30:32.000 I did amateur boxing.

00:30:33.000 I competed.

00:30:33.000 I didn't do any jiu-jitsu, none of that, because I was in love with the sport of boxing.

00:30:38.000 My original goal...

00:30:40.000 And this is crazy.

00:30:40.000 This is how crazy I think, Joe.

00:30:43.000 I was trying to make the Olympic team right after 2008. For boxing.

00:30:46.000 For boxing.

00:30:47.000 Wow.

00:30:47.000 And the reason why that idea came up is because Deontay Wilder did it.

00:30:52.000 Within, I think it was four years, he was able to make...

00:30:54.000 A year and a half.

00:30:55.000 A year and a half from boxing wins a bronze medal in the Olympics.

00:30:58.000 Crazy, right?

00:30:59.000 I was like, dude, if that dude can do it, give me a few years.

00:31:02.000 When he told me that, I'm like, that is one of the craziest stories I've ever heard in my life. 0.95

00:31:06.000 Ridiculous.

00:31:06.000 But also extremely motivated because he had a very sick daughter, and he realized that he couldn't play basketball.

00:31:13.000 He wasn't going to school, couldn't play football.

00:31:14.000 He was trying to figure out ways to make money.

00:31:16.000 He was driving a truck.

00:31:17.000 I believe it was for Budweiser.

00:31:19.000 He was delivering things, and he just decided, I'm going to get into boxing, and just had Unbelievable, God-given talent and just ferocious punching power.

00:31:33.000 His punching power is like nothing I've ever seen before.

00:31:35.000 I mean, you look at Deontay Wilder's knockouts, they don't even make sense.

00:31:39.000 He sends people flying across the ring and when he fought Tyson Fury, the first fight, when he dropped him and knocked him down twice, he only weighed 209 pounds.

00:31:48.000 It's crazy.

00:31:49.000 209 pounds?

00:31:50.000 209 pounds.

00:31:51.000 That's a heavyweight.

00:31:52.000 That's crazy.

00:31:53.000 And, you know, he's fighting Tyson Fury.

00:31:54.000 He was an enormous heavyweight.

00:31:56.000 And, like, he hits guys, man, like nobody else.

00:32:00.000 What Tyson had over him, though, that he showed in the tactical side of it in the second fight, was...

00:32:07.000 His boxing, his understanding of the game is so complex.

00:32:11.000 It's so much different.

00:32:12.000 Whereas Deontay has just this ferocious power and he figures out how to put it on you. 0.99

00:32:17.000 But when you can knock out a guy like Luis Ortiz with a fucking right hand to the forehead, he looked like a shot. 0.99

00:32:23.000 And a fucking elite boxer. 1.00

00:32:27.000 He hit him on the forehead and Ortiz, just his legs went out and you see him going, what the fuck just happened? 1.00

00:32:35.000 Forehead! 0.99

00:32:35.000 Who punches that hard? 0.99

00:32:37.000 Deontay's just got crazy, crazy power.

00:32:39.000 But, fact remains, he did it after a year and a half, and he won a bronze medal in the Olympics, which is just spectacular.

00:32:47.000 Yeah, it's nuts, man.

00:32:48.000 So that's where the original goal came from, but I just saw, like, it just wasn't realistic for me at that time, like, especially at my weight class.

00:32:56.000 Like, these dudes have been doing this since they were four years old.

00:32:59.000 There's a different speed.

00:33:00.000 And I was sparring with a lot of these guys. 0.98

00:33:01.000 I'm like, damn, man, this is like... 0.99

00:33:03.000 It's nuts, man. 0.99

00:33:04.000 It's nuts when you're at the lower weight because now you're dealing with not just in heavyweight.

00:33:08.000 You can somewhat get away with it because if you might be faster, more athletic.

00:33:11.000 Right.

00:33:11.000 But at the lower weight classes, man, there is speed.

00:33:14.000 You got the dudes from Philadelphia, from California, like all these Mexicans, blacks, whites that are just like, hey, man. 0.95

00:33:21.000 They've been doing it forever. 0.61

00:33:22.000 This is a different sport, man.

00:33:23.000 And I've been humbled before.

00:33:25.000 I feel like boxing in particular is one of those sports that's very difficult to learn properly as you get older.

00:33:31.000 There's something about muscle memory and your body being ingrained, like developed to move a certain way and to strike a certain way and to be able to react on openings, like instinctually.

00:33:44.000 It's almost like once you hit like 25, 26 years old and you start then, like, ooh, it's real hard to ever get to an elite level.

00:33:51.000 Yeah, your body starts to change, and that happened to me.

00:33:54.000 And it's crazy, and it's ironic, Joe.

00:33:56.000 It's like, even my UFC debut, like, think about this.

00:33:59.000 Like, I didn't make weight, and I'll never forget it.

00:34:02.000 I was with my brother.

00:34:02.000 He's actually back here, too, with my brother Alonzo.

00:34:05.000 And I remember, you know, I didn't make weight.

00:34:07.000 I couldn't make the weight, man.

00:34:08.000 I was just doing too much.

00:34:09.000 You're talking about by the time you get 25, like, you hit the nail on the head.

00:34:12.000 Because that's when I first started struggling to make weight.

00:34:16.000 And I didn't make weight at that time.

00:34:18.000 And I remember I was just going to get on a flight and just disappear and never freaking see and never look back, man.

00:34:23.000 Really?

00:34:23.000 Yeah, this is crazy, Joe.

00:34:25.000 This is crazy.

00:34:26.000 And my brother was, you know, thank God for him.

00:34:29.000 My brother Alonzo, and he's like, you need to be a man and you got to go and talk to Sean Shelby and tell him thank you and let him know that you're retired, man.

00:34:38.000 And I was, man, it took everything in my heart because I was so embarrassed, Joe.

00:34:42.000 This was when TJ fought, when he was supposed to fight Burrell, I think the second time.

00:34:48.000 And this is when we fought Joe Soto, so I was supposed to be on that card.

00:34:51.000 I was supposed to fight Scott Jorgensen.

00:34:54.000 And I went down there, didn't make the weight, and I'll never forget it.

00:34:57.000 I was dehydrated.

00:34:58.000 I couldn't even have tears to cry, but I was all dehydrated.

00:35:01.000 Then I went up to Shawn Shawn.

00:35:03.000 I was like, Shawn, thank you, man, but I no longer want to do this sport, man.

00:35:08.000 Did you back out of that fight?

00:35:10.000 I can't.

00:35:16.000 Wow. 1.00

00:35:32.000 Like something stupid. 1.00

00:35:33.000 And the only reason why I was doing something like that was because I felt when you come from the sport of wrestling, like to me, making weight and doing everything that the MMA fighters were doing, I was like, man, these dudes are spoiled. 0.99

00:35:45.000 These dudes get 24, these dudes get close to about 30 hours before they fight.

00:35:51.000 I says, man, that's a lot of recovery time. 1.00

00:35:53.000 So this is how stupid, this is the way I saw it. 0.99

00:35:56.000 And again, the age caught up to me. 0.99

00:35:59.000 I would do the 16 pounds. 0.99

00:36:01.000 I would murder myself. 0.98

00:36:02.000 I would really hurt myself, make the weight, and then balloon back up.

00:36:06.000 But there came a point by the time I turned 25, 26, that my body just started to shut down on me.

00:36:12.000 And I just wasn't doing it right. 1.00

00:36:14.000 And that finally kicked me in the ass. 0.99

00:36:16.000 So imagine that. 0.99

00:36:18.000 UFC debut, and I told Sean Shelby that I'm done.

00:36:21.000 I ain't never fighting again.

00:36:22.000 That's crazy.

00:36:23.000 But let me ask you this.

00:36:24.000 So was your thought process that because of the fact that these MMA guys get more time to recover, it's not like they have to weigh in the day of the wrestling match.

00:36:32.000 They're weighing in the day before the fight in the daytime.

00:36:35.000 They don't have to fight.

00:36:36.000 And then eventually it became in the morning, right?

00:36:39.000 So you have even more time.

00:36:40.000 And then they didn't have to fight until the next day at night.

00:36:43.000 So you were like, I'm going to be heavier.

00:36:45.000 I'm going to come in bigger with a bigger advantage.

00:36:47.000 Is that the idea?

00:36:48.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:36:49.000 And now, looking at it now, it's just... 1.00

00:36:51.000 It's dumb, dude. 1.00

00:36:52.000 It's like, you're... 1.00

00:36:55.000 It's better to feel good than to feel bigger.

00:36:58.000 Being bigger is...

00:37:00.000 Marlon was bigger than me.

00:37:01.000 A lot of these dudes were bigger than me, but it didn't...

00:37:04.000 Dominic was bigger than you.

00:37:05.000 Dominic, too.

00:37:06.000 Even TJ. Even TJ, when we did make flyweights, somehow he...

00:37:10.000 I was 146, so imagine that.

00:37:13.000 I made 125 pounds, 124 pounds.

00:37:15.000 TJ made the weight, right?

00:37:17.000 Did he make the weight?

00:37:17.000 Yeah, he made the weight.

00:37:18.000 He was 24, too.

00:37:20.000 I ballooned up to 146 pounds.

00:37:22.000 TJ ballooned up to 150 pounds.

00:37:25.000 Dude, he looked worse cutting weight.

00:37:28.000 He looked worse showing up for the weigh-ins than I've ever seen anybody since Travis Luter.

00:37:33.000 When Travis Luter missed weight against Anderson Silva.

00:37:36.000 Travis Luter missed weight against Anderson Silva.

00:37:38.000 I'll never forget this because I saw him when he missed the weight.

00:37:40.000 Then I saw him.

00:37:41.000 I was backstage while he was trying to continue to cut because they gave him time to make weight.

00:37:46.000 And he couldn't lift his legs up to walk to the scale.

00:37:50.000 He was shuffling, like shuffling towards the scale.

00:37:53.000 His lips were all cracked.

00:37:55.000 They're all sucked in. 0.71

00:37:56.000 His face was sucked in.

00:37:58.000 He was literally on death's door.

00:38:01.000 You could see it.

00:38:02.000 If that guy was released from a prison, like an overseas prison, I'd be like, oh my god, they were torturing him.

00:38:08.000 He was about to die.

00:38:10.000 I've never seen a guy look so bad. 1.00

00:38:13.000 He looked so fucking bad. 0.99

00:38:15.000 And people forgot about Travis Luter. 0.99

00:38:18.000 Travis Luter was a beast, man.

00:38:20.000 He had some of the best jujitsu that anybody had ever seen in the octagon up to that point.

00:38:25.000 Everybody he fought, he submitted. 0.97

00:38:26.000 He was so fucking good. 0.96

00:38:28.000 But he, for whatever reason, when he had that big fight with Anderson Silva, he just couldn't keep it together. 0.98

00:38:35.000 And I believe he had Anderson Silva down at one point in time in that fight, too.

00:38:39.000 Anderson Silva caught him in a triangle and elbowed him off of his back. 0.63

00:38:43.000 I believe that's how the fight got stopped.

00:38:46.000 Travis was the worst I've ever seen for someone struggling to make weight.

00:38:55.000 Yeah, but even you think about guys like that, guys that could have potentially become a world champion.

00:39:02.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:03.000 So what happens when somebody loses?

00:39:05.000 What are the stages, the emotions when somebody loses?

00:39:08.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:39:09.000 It's like...

00:39:10.000 There's a recovery process when people lose.

00:39:14.000 I hate to say this, but I'll bring up Marlon Marais again.

00:39:19.000 Because I feel like I gave the blueprint.

00:39:21.000 If you watch me fight him, then you watch Aldo fight him.

00:39:25.000 These guys, when they lose, they go through a certain psychology thing.

00:39:29.000 And you can see them as a fighter.

00:39:31.000 Every time I do fight, I always look at their demeanor.

00:39:33.000 I always pay attention to their demeanor.

00:39:37.000 From the first round to the second round to the third.

00:39:39.000 As far as it goes.

00:39:41.000 And I've noticed that Marlon's demeanor was changing.

00:39:44.000 I've noticed that in my fights when people's demeanor changes.

00:39:47.000 To me, that's a breaking point that the mind has.

00:39:51.000 So I was able to see that with Marlon.

00:39:54.000 What did you see?

00:39:55.000 You saw that?

00:39:55.000 He was slowing down.

00:39:56.000 I saw he was slowing down.

00:39:59.000 His face starts to slouch.

00:40:01.000 His shoulders start to drop.

00:40:03.000 And then that's when I... You really can't see in the video, but that's when I started talking to him.

00:40:08.000 I'm like, all right, man, you ready?

00:40:09.000 Let's go.

00:40:09.000 Bring it.

00:40:10.000 Give it to me.

00:40:11.000 You know, this is during the fight.

00:40:13.000 Was he talking back?

00:40:14.000 No, he wasn't.

00:40:15.000 He wasn't.

00:40:16.000 And that's another reason is because they're so tired, man, that they just don't have any energy.

00:40:19.000 Even McGregor, people like that.

00:40:21.000 But what I'm trying to get to is guys that lose, if you don't recover from your defeat, from your loss, if you don't get therapy, if you don't understand the reasons why you lost... 0.99

00:40:32.000 Man, you're screwed, man. 0.99

00:40:34.000 Therapy. 1.00

00:40:35.000 Therapy.

00:40:35.000 Have you gotten that?

00:40:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:38.000 But for me, it was more like a realization when the first time I lost to Demetrius Johnson and getting knocked out in 2 minutes and 36 seconds, man.

00:40:46.000 It's like, to me, the worst thing that could happen to a fighter and the worst scenario that something could happen to somebody and get stopped is getting kneed to the body.

00:40:56.000 You're conscious, Joe.

00:40:57.000 You're conscious and this is kneeing you from left to right.

00:41:01.000 And then your eyes are open and you've had enough.

00:41:04.000 And then you see Big John McCarthy waving his hands.

00:41:06.000 And you're knowing that he's making the right call.

00:41:08.000 But you're still conscious.

00:41:09.000 You still want to go, but you can't.

00:41:11.000 Right.

00:41:11.000 Your body shut off.

00:41:12.000 In front of 20,000 people.

00:41:15.000 You know, with Joe Rogan commentating.

00:41:17.000 I mean, it's miserable and it's terrible.

00:41:20.000 But it's a certain therapy.

00:41:22.000 It's a certain acceptance that you got to go through.

00:41:25.000 In order for you to come out of that.

00:41:26.000 What did you do afterwards?

00:41:29.000 I let go of coaches, man.

00:41:31.000 I let go of coaches.

00:41:32.000 I started traveling the world.

00:41:33.000 I mean, I went to Asia.

00:41:34.000 I went to...

00:41:35.000 What did you do in Asia?

00:41:36.000 I went out to Singapore.

00:41:37.000 I went to Evolve.

00:41:38.000 I spent about a month out there.

00:41:40.000 Oh, yeah?

00:41:40.000 Just to train?

00:41:41.000 Just to train.

00:41:42.000 Just to go find the best minds of mixed martial arts and just of basis, too.

00:41:47.000 I went out to...

00:41:49.000 To Holland for a month.

00:41:51.000 I would go out to Brazil.

00:41:52.000 What did you do in Holland?

00:41:54.000 In Holland, I trained with Paula Moth.

00:41:58.000 He's Andy Sauer's coach.

00:41:59.000 Oh, wow.

00:42:00.000 Yeah, so I was with them and just training with them and just humbling yourself, I guess I could say.

00:42:06.000 And obviously, throughout this whole time, it's like, man, I was on a quest because I still had Demetrius Johnson.

00:42:11.000 I wasn't going to retire from the sport.

00:42:14.000 Without me giving him a fair shake.

00:42:16.000 So I knew that it had something to do, not just with the body, but with the mind.

00:42:20.000 It's almost like, you gotta come out of this, man.

00:42:24.000 Almost like, you can call it a mistake or whatnot, but the reality is, is you lost, man.

00:42:28.000 There's holes in your games.

00:42:30.000 So I always tell people, like, don't face it.

00:42:32.000 I'm sorry, don't fake it till you make it.

00:42:34.000 I don't like that. 1.00

00:42:34.000 You have to face this shit. 1.00

00:42:36.000 Once you face it, this is when you start to create, man, freaking overflowing success. 0.99

00:42:41.000 Did you know like when you fought him and First of all you fought the best version of Demetrius Johnson ever though the guy to this day I think is the best Example of a mixed martial arts.

00:42:52.000 I've ever seen. 0.91

00:42:53.000 Oh, yeah, I think Demetrius in his prime He was so fucking good man.

00:42:58.000 He was so fast and he was so technical and he made such good decisions He set his footwork his movement like everything was so precise Did you say, okay, I see the gap. 0.84

00:43:10.000 I see these holes, and I know where he hit me.

00:43:14.000 I know where there was mistakes made.

00:43:16.000 I gotta tighten those up.

00:43:18.000 How do I do that?

00:43:19.000 Yeah, Dimitri was so good everywhere, even in the wrestling.

00:43:22.000 I can even tell you as an Olympic athlete, even in the wrestling, his timing...

00:43:26.000 Was really good.

00:43:27.000 So I don't even think it was so much Demetrius Johnson.

00:43:31.000 Obviously it was a distance game, but it comes down to such, when you fight a guy like that, it comes down to such the minor details, man.

00:43:38.000 And I think the minor detail for me was composure.

00:43:43.000 And I remember right before I fought the dude, I noticed that like my corner, my team, that they were extremely nervous, Joe.

00:43:50.000 Like my team, dude, you imagine fighting somebody like Demetrius Johnson and your coach is not having faith in you? 0.99

00:43:56.000 And I'm like, what the fuck? 1.00

00:43:57.000 I'm like, shit, man, are you kidding me? 1.00

00:43:59.000 Well, he was a ghost back then. 1.00

00:44:02.000 Demetrius was a ghost.

00:44:03.000 I mean, he wasn't there for you.

00:44:05.000 You would be swinging at air.

00:44:07.000 He was just off to the side, then he was kneeing you in the body and punching you in the face and kicking your leg on the way out.

00:44:12.000 And we should even say in the second fight, the fight that you won, he got you with that low calf kick and your leg went numb.

00:44:19.000 Yeah, it hit the peronial nerve, which numbs all the nerves to your feet, so it sleeps it, and then when you try to lay your foot down, your foot's still awake, so I even sprained it in the first round.

00:44:30.000 It was crazy to see.

00:44:31.000 But this is the mind power that I had, Joel.

00:44:33.000 It was a survival run, as you say.

00:44:35.000 I went back to the corner and I thought to myself, this is how crazy I am.

00:44:40.000 I was like, hey.

00:44:41.000 I just thought to myself, man, how crazy is this going to be when I beat this dude?

00:44:46.000 Like I survived that first run. 0.99

00:44:48.000 I said, man, this is going to make my story, whatever I desired in my life, that much better because I went through adversity with this fucking dude again. 0.99

00:44:56.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:44:58.000 It's a great attitude right there.

00:45:00.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:45:01.000 That's a champion's mind.

00:45:02.000 And even before...

00:45:04.000 So I'm getting ready to walk out.

00:45:05.000 I'm getting ready to fight Demetrius Johnson.

00:45:07.000 And I noticed my team, they're still kind of grabbing their fingers.

00:45:10.000 I'm pacing back and forth.

00:45:12.000 And about a few hours before we went out to the arena, I talked to my team and I sat them here and I sat my whole team down.

00:45:19.000 It's just almost like a dad.

00:45:21.000 And I'm like, listen, man.

00:45:22.000 I says, I need you guys to trust me and have faith in me.

00:45:26.000 The key plan to being this dude, like I know this is the greatest of all time, but I know what I've done in wrestling, I can replicate that what I've done in mixed martial arts, man.

00:45:33.000 The only thing I'm gonna ask from you guys is for you guys to be composed.

00:45:38.000 For you guys to be composed, man.

00:45:41.000 Don't over yell, stay calm, like whatever happens in a fight, man, I just need you guys to bear with me and have faith in me because I'm gonna...

00:45:48.000 You gotta coach your coaches.

00:45:50.000 Yeah, in some way, man.

00:45:51.000 And it's crazy to say that.

00:45:53.000 So then right when I'm getting ready, check this out, Joseph.

00:45:55.000 Right when I'm getting ready to walk out, you know, right before I walk out first, I was going to walk out and then Demetrius.

00:46:00.000 And I still noticed my coach was still a little nervous.

00:46:02.000 And I looked at him.

00:46:02.000 I said, hey, guys, remember composure, man, composure.

00:46:06.000 Like I was so ready for this, dude.

00:46:07.000 So then I go in there. 0.87

00:46:09.000 I get kicked in the first 30 seconds.

00:46:10.000 Dude, my leg starts to wobble.

00:46:13.000 And so forth.

00:46:14.000 You know, it was a survival round.

00:46:15.000 I allow him to win.

00:46:16.000 Whatever.

00:46:17.000 I think he won.

00:46:18.000 I think he won the first.

00:46:19.000 I won the second.

00:46:20.000 He won the third.

00:46:21.000 And then I believe I won the fourth and I won the fifth.

00:46:25.000 And then after this whole thing, check this out, Joe.

00:46:29.000 Demetri Johnson was on Ariel Hawane.

00:46:31.000 And then Ariel Hawane asked him.

00:46:33.000 He was like, hey, Demetri, just one last question.

00:46:35.000 He was like, what's one thing that surprised you about Henry?

00:46:39.000 And Demetrius Johnson said, well, I knew he was going to be fast.

00:46:42.000 I knew he was strong.

00:46:44.000 But there's one thing that really did surprise me with Henry.

00:46:46.000 It was the fact that he was so relaxed.

00:46:50.000 So it's these tactical things.

00:46:53.000 And everybody that you fight is completely different.

00:46:55.000 You can have a certain word that you can put up here.

00:46:57.000 But I knew that being composed and relaxed and not overreacting to Demetrius Johnson...

00:47:03.000 That that would win me the fight for this fight.

00:47:05.000 And there's a lot more to it.

00:47:06.000 It was me knowing what to fight and knowing what to compete.

00:47:09.000 It's me being a little theatrical, like bumping my fist, like conveying the judges.

00:47:14.000 Those little things that you learn as a veteran of competition, that you can even convey the judges.

00:47:19.000 So there's even acting going on, Joe.

00:47:22.000 I'm telling you guys all my secrets here.

00:47:23.000 But in reality, there is, man.

00:47:26.000 I'm just a winner.

00:47:27.000 The only thing I just know how to do is know how to win.

00:47:30.000 How are you gonna step away from this?

00:47:32.000 Come on, Henry!

00:47:34.000 How are you gonna do this?

00:47:35.000 Show me the money!

00:47:36.000 I'm torn.

00:47:38.000 Like I said in the beginning, man, I feel both ways.

00:47:41.000 I'm happy when a fighter gets out on top of the game like you.

00:47:45.000 One of my favorite boxing stories of all time is Marvin Hagler.

00:47:49.000 You know why?

00:47:50.000 Because he fought Sugar Ray Leonard.

00:47:51.000 I think he got robbed to this day.

00:47:53.000 I think he won the decision.

00:47:54.000 They gave it to Sugar Ray, and then he...

00:47:57.000 Backed away.

00:47:58.000 That's sage.

00:47:59.000 What you got here?

00:47:59.000 You smoking that show?

00:48:00.000 No, bro.

00:48:01.000 No. 0.99

00:48:01.000 You light it up to kill the demons in the room. 0.99

00:48:04.000 This Native American lady gave me this. 0.99

00:48:06.000 She came in to talk to us about...

00:48:07.000 I got in this long kick of reading about Native American history.

00:48:13.000 Yeah.

00:48:14.000 They actually...

00:48:14.000 A lot of them refer to themselves as American Indians.

00:48:18.000 And then this lady came in and educated me on a lot of the issues and brought me some sage to clear out all the bad spirits. 0.53

00:48:24.000 Yeah, no, I believe in a lot of these rituals.

00:48:29.000 Actually, not too long ago, I was actually with Uncle Mike.

00:48:32.000 Yeah, you told me that.

00:48:33.000 With Mike Tyson and...

00:48:35.000 Get rid of demons right now, bro.

00:48:38.000 Demons be gone.

00:48:40.000 Don't start shaking back there, man.

00:48:42.000 No, we'll be alright.

00:48:42.000 Jamie's no demon.

00:48:46.000 You never know.

00:48:47.000 Yeah, but I was able to...

00:48:49.000 Because, you know, as you know, Mike has always talked about the toad.

00:48:52.000 Yes.

00:48:53.000 And I believe you've done the toad, too.

00:48:55.000 Yeah, what the toad is, what you're referring to, is 5-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine that's excreted by the toad's skin.

00:49:03.000 They take...

00:49:05.000 This type of toad, I forget the name of the toad, but they get it excited and excrete this stuff from its skin onto glass, and then they leave that glass out in the sun, and it dries, that excretion dries, and then you scrape it up with a razor blade,

00:49:21.000 and then you smoke that stuff.

00:49:23.000 Or, you could just get a synthetic version of it.

00:49:26.000 Colorado River Toad.

00:49:27.000 That's what it is.

00:49:28.000 Sonoran Desert Toad.

00:49:29.000 Yeah, it's Sonoran.

00:49:31.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:49:31.000 And you can find the center of the universe through the excretions of this toad's body. 0.97

00:49:37.000 Oh, my God. 0.80

00:49:37.000 It's a trip, Joe. 0.80

00:49:39.000 It's a trip.

00:49:40.000 Have you done anything before this?

00:49:42.000 Before you did this, have you had any experiences with psychedelics?

00:49:46.000 Yeah, I've done mushrooms and obviously high smoke, which I don't know where all the Mary Jane is.

00:49:53.000 It's right here, bro.

00:49:53.000 You want something?

00:49:54.000 Come on.

00:49:55.000 You're retired.

00:49:55.000 Yeah, why not, man?

00:49:56.000 Come on, Jeff Nowitzki.

00:49:58.000 Leave him alone.

00:50:00.000 Novitski actually wanted everybody to be able to.

00:50:02.000 He's one of the first guys to say it's nonsense.

00:50:04.000 It's not a performance enhancer.

00:50:06.000 Although with Nick Diaz, I think it might be.

00:50:09.000 Yeah.

00:50:09.000 I think with Nick Diaz, it might actually be a performance enhancer.

00:50:13.000 I really think so, man.

00:50:14.000 When he fought Gomi, they said he had to have gotten high.

00:50:18.000 He had so much weed in his system when they tested him that he had to have gotten high right before the fight.

00:50:23.000 Yeah.

00:50:24.000 Light that up, Joe.

00:50:25.000 You puff-puff pass, or...?

00:50:30.000 Of course.

00:50:32.000 So, I'm going to share my story with you, Joe.

00:50:34.000 And I want you to share yours with me.

00:50:36.000 Okay.

00:50:40.000 What type of leaf is this?

00:50:41.000 Well, that's tobacco on the outside, so it's a blunt.

00:50:45.000 And then inside, it's the weed.

00:50:48.000 I get this from Speed Weed.

00:50:49.000 Shout out to my man, Gino.

00:50:53.000 Anyway, so check this out.

00:50:55.000 You imagine doing the tour with somebody like Mike?

00:50:58.000 I get high with Mike and I got nervous.

00:51:01.000 I'm nervous when I meet him.

00:51:03.000 He was one of my heroes. 0.99

00:51:04.000 When I was a kid, Mike Tyson was the fucking man. 0.97

00:51:09.000 I mean, in a way that it's hard for people to convey today to understand what a cultural figure Mike Tyson was in like 1986. It's hard to convey. 0.98

00:51:21.000 No one's going to understand.

00:51:23.000 Youngest ever heavyweight champion.

00:51:25.000 Knocks out Trevor Burbick when he's 20 years old.

00:51:28.000 The same guy that beat Ali, right?

00:51:30.000 Trevor Burbick beat Ali late in his career when it was real sad.

00:51:34.000 It was a real sad fight.

00:51:35.000 It was a real sad fight.

00:51:36.000 But it's touching.

00:51:37.000 Remember when Ali went in the ring and gave Mike a little pep talk?

00:51:41.000 Yeah.

00:51:43.000 You know?

00:51:44.000 And then Mike went out there and knocked that dude out in the first round.

00:51:46.000 Yeah.

00:51:47.000 Priceless. 1.00

00:51:48.000 Yeah, Muhammad Ali's like, fuck this dude out for me, will you? 1.00

00:51:50.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:51:51.000 Yeah.

00:51:52.000 But anyways, to get back to that, Joe.

00:51:54.000 So, you know, I've actually been shadowing Mike Tyson for like the last...

00:51:59.000 I'm good friends with his manager, Rob Hickman.

00:52:03.000 And just the stuff that they're doing at Tyson Ranch, man, is pretty cool, man.

00:52:06.000 Yeah, it's really cool, right?

00:52:07.000 Yeah, they're bringing medicine to the world.

00:52:10.000 So, Mike, I've been on this podcast.

00:52:11.000 He's always talked about the toad.

00:52:14.000 I was like, alright, you know, so I became good friends with, I call him Uncle Mike, man, because he's just, you know, he scolds me a lot.

00:52:19.000 Every time he sees me, he's always, you know, he'll compliment me, but then he'll scold me at the same time.

00:52:23.000 So he always talked about the Torah.

00:52:25.000 I'm just like, well, let's do it then, Mike.

00:52:26.000 Let's do it, Uncle Mike.

00:52:27.000 So he's like, man, dude.

00:52:29.000 You sure you want?

00:52:30.000 I'm like, yeah, man, you've been talking about it for a minute.

00:52:32.000 So, you know, so we go out, we go on this, you know, they have this whole rural night settlement with rituals or whatnot.

00:52:38.000 And we go out to Antigua, which is an island off the Caribbean.

00:52:42.000 We have a, I forget what they're called, the person that...

00:52:46.000 Shaman? 0.86

00:52:47.000 Yeah, shaman, I'm sorry.

00:52:48.000 And he's out there, and Mike goes first.

00:52:51.000 So imagine this, Mike Tyson does it.

00:52:53.000 Mike Tyson, he's doing it.

00:52:56.000 He's going a bit crazy, man.

00:52:58.000 Because a lot of what that does is it brings out a lot of your, as you say, you open up the stage, a lot of your demons.

00:53:04.000 A lot of things that you've probably been holding on to for a minute.

00:53:08.000 So I'm seeing Mike over here twist and turn and kind of talk about a lot of...

00:53:13.000 I don't want to share that stuff, but...

00:53:14.000 Talk about a lot of his past, man.

00:53:17.000 As you said, he's an idol, he's a legend.

00:53:20.000 That's the way I look at Mike, too.

00:53:22.000 I'm over here, I'm almost tripping out, but at the same time, intrigued.

00:53:29.000 So then I go up and I do it, and man, it took me to, especially out of retirement here, man, I almost kind of somewhat wanted answers.

00:53:38.000 I was hoping that it would give me, okay, man, this is like the path and whatnot.

00:53:42.000 And it took me to my mom's first love, man.

00:53:49.000 You know, and it showed me like in a story, almost like in a movie, you know, how I was born, how my mom had me, how by the time I was eight years old, like I had my sister, so I was no longer the youngest, how my mom kind of like, you know, in all fairness, kind of somewhat pushed to the side.

00:54:06.000 Leaving home at the age of 17 and substituting my mom's love for self-fulfillment, wrestling.

00:54:14.000 It makes martial arts and it brought me back to a little kid when I was maybe four or five when I would cry to my mom because I remember as a kid we would go we would go from LA to New Mexico like in Greyhounds and I remember stopping at McDonald's and things like that but to me You know,

00:54:31.000 as a kid, you don't know you're poor.

00:54:33.000 But what that did is that brought me back to the person that created me.

00:54:36.000 That brought me back to my mom's love, man.

00:54:38.000 So it like resurrected something in me.

00:54:42.000 And I was crying.

00:54:43.000 I was asking for forgiveness.

00:54:44.000 I was speaking in Spanish.

00:54:45.000 Mom, perdóname.

00:54:46.000 Mom, forgive me.

00:54:47.000 Wow.

00:54:48.000 It was something scary in some ways because it takes you out of your body.

00:54:56.000 It's almost like you're in judgment day and you're the one that's being convicted and you're the judge too.

00:55:02.000 And it's telling you but it's giving you this certain peace.

00:55:05.000 It's like you're so dead that you're alive.

00:55:10.000 It's a trip, Joe.

00:55:11.000 I don't know which ones you had, but this is what I can share and what I can experience.

00:55:15.000 It was cool, man, because I was able to do it with special people.

00:55:18.000 I did it with Kelvin.

00:55:19.000 We all did it.

00:55:20.000 It was already formally planned.

00:55:22.000 I know my brother back there, my mentor, probably pissed at me because they look out for me a lot.

00:55:26.000 But, man, it was something that, as an adult, you have the rights to make these decisions and share if it's good.

00:55:33.000 And I felt like the toad was...

00:55:35.000 Probably one of the best things that's happened to me, like honestly, because it makes you realize and reflect on what truly matters.

00:55:42.000 I think there's a fear of it just because it's illegal.

00:55:44.000 I really think that's it.

00:55:46.000 And it should be respected.

00:55:48.000 It's very dangerous in that sense that it could...

00:55:51.000 Not that it could do harm to you physically if it's the real deal.

00:55:55.000 It's not going to do harm to you physically.

00:55:57.000 Your body has it in it.

00:55:58.000 Your body knows what to do with it.

00:55:59.000 It's one of the reasons why it's such a quick trip.

00:56:01.000 Your body knows how to bring that stuff back to baseline very quickly.

00:56:05.000 That's why it's only like a 15 minute trip.

00:56:08.000 But it's not it's not bad for you all the time I think it's like many it's a really powerful thing that it's got to be respected it could fuck you up if you're not ready if you have some Distorted versions of the world that you're operating under for me one of the things that made me feel like right away one of the first things was Realizing how much of like the way I talk about things is like calculated I was like,

00:56:37.000 I was trying to figure out, like, I would say things in a way that I wanted people to say, ooh, he phrased that cool.

00:56:45.000 Like, I would try hard to impress people with the way I was saying things.

00:56:50.000 And I was realizing that as I was trying to describe the trip after it was over.

00:56:55.000 I was like, that's interesting.

00:56:56.000 So that probably leads to a disconnect between me and someone who's listening.

00:57:03.000 Because it's not 100% what's going on in my head. 0.99

00:57:06.000 It's at least a little bit showmanship and bullshit. 0.96

00:57:09.000 And it made me realize that in that moment, I think it probably made me a better everything. 0.99

00:57:14.000 Probably made me a better comedian.

00:57:15.000 Probably made me a better podcaster.

00:57:17.000 Also, it's been a minute.

00:57:18.000 When did you do this for the first time?

00:57:20.000 The first time I did it was early 2000s.

00:57:23.000 So I guess we're looking at like 2002-ish, somewhere around then.

00:57:29.000 Yeah.

00:57:29.000 That was like the first time I did it.

00:57:31.000 Last time I did it was about two years ago.

00:57:33.000 But the last time I did it, I did the other kind, the NN-dimethyltryptamine.

00:57:37.000 Actually, maybe a little less than two years ago.

00:57:40.000 A little less than two years ago.

00:57:42.000 It was NN-dimethyltryptamine, which is...

00:57:46.000 That's the different version.

00:57:48.000 That's the version of it that's in ayahuasca.

00:57:50.000 That's the version of it.

00:57:51.000 There's a bunch of different snuffs and different ways that people try to get that stuff into their system.

00:57:57.000 But smoking it is the quickest.

00:58:00.000 Smoking it gets you, you vaporize it, and it gets you right to the center of the universe immediately.

00:58:07.000 And all those things, you know, I think, man, one of the cool things about life...

00:58:15.000 Like what you're talking about in your journey, your journey as a man, your journey as a champion, your journey to become better and to show what you're capable of.

00:58:26.000 All of this is because no one gets it right.

00:58:30.000 You don't just get it right. 0.71

00:58:31.000 Like, you fuck it up, and you try to do better, and you fail, and then you figure out what went wrong.

00:58:39.000 And you just constantly analyze whatever you're doing and obsess on it, and you can become better at that thing, and through that you can understand that you can be better at anything.

00:58:51.000 And I think when you, any kind of psychedelic, Where you have an opportunity to look at yourself just really look at yourself accurately You're not gonna like it But it's gonna give you great benefit because it's gonna give you you're gonna be able to see yourself Honestly and see whatever those flaws don't get mad that you have all these flaws Just fix them Just fix them.

00:59:17.000 Do your best to fix them.

00:59:18.000 And you're not going to get it right.

00:59:19.000 Because ego's still going to come creeping back in your life.

00:59:22.000 And ego's still going to hold on to your legs and drag you down while you're trying to run.

00:59:26.000 You know?

00:59:27.000 That's what it is.

00:59:27.000 Ego's like hanging on your ankles while you're trying to run.

00:59:30.000 Like, come on.

00:59:31.000 Stay the same.

00:59:32.000 But you can't stay the same and get better. 0.99

00:59:34.000 The way you get better is to relax and to realize that all your fuck-ups... 0.97

00:59:41.000 All the fails. 0.99

00:59:42.000 That's not you.

00:59:43.000 Just because you lost a match doesn't mean you're a loser.

00:59:46.000 You just lost.

00:59:47.000 You should be happy that you got this opportunity to feel terrible.

00:59:50.000 Because through that opportunity to feel terrible, that's where all the growth comes from.

00:59:54.000 If you can survive it.

00:59:56.000 Some people can't survive it, right?

00:59:58.000 We all know those guys that were really good in the gym and they had one or two matches or one or two fights and they just couldn't handle the pressure for whatever reason.

01:00:06.000 They couldn't handle the things that went wrong and they just didn't want to do it anymore.

01:00:11.000 But they could have been like a world-beater.

01:00:13.000 You know, everyone knows that guy.

01:00:15.000 Yeah.

01:00:16.000 Right?

01:00:16.000 And what is wrong with that guy?

01:00:18.000 Well, that guy's got one aspect of your two-part thing that you were talking about.

01:00:23.000 Heart and ability, right?

01:00:24.000 He's got one aspect.

01:00:25.000 He's got the ability.

01:00:27.000 But he's got a missing part, and he doesn't want to look at it.

01:00:31.000 Because if he wanted to look at it, he would concentrate entirely on that, and he would get better at that.

01:00:35.000 But it's hard.

01:00:37.000 It's hard to look at yourself. 1.00

01:00:39.000 Psychedelics let you look at yourself like, hey, stupid, look at you. 1.00

01:00:43.000 Remember the last time I did DMT, there was a string of jokers, like jesters with the bells on, dancing in front of me going like this. 1.00

01:00:51.000 Fuck you! 1.00

01:00:53.000 Just openly mocking me. 1.00

01:00:55.000 I was like, oh, that must be what I need.

01:00:58.000 I must need that.

01:00:59.000 I'm like, that's good.

01:01:00.000 That's good to see.

01:01:01.000 Yeah, it's definitely an ego check, man.

01:01:05.000 Big time.

01:01:05.000 Dissolves it.

01:01:06.000 Man, like with Mike, he loves it, dude.

01:01:08.000 Yeah.

01:01:09.000 He owes it to the tone.

01:01:12.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:01:13.000 He said that's been a big reason why he's changed his life.

01:01:17.000 Mike wasn't doing so well until he tried this.

01:01:20.000 He talks about it all the time on his podcast.

01:01:24.000 It gives you an opportunity to shift.

01:01:26.000 It's healed drug addicts.

01:01:28.000 I mean, drug addicts have gone from doing all kinds of crazy things where they try to toe and they completely just left everything.

01:01:32.000 Guys that they left almost like a dead man walking to, hey, he's alive again.

01:01:36.000 He's here with us.

01:01:37.000 Yeah.

01:01:38.000 I think a lot of diseases of addiction are diseases of despair, right?

01:01:45.000 It's like disease of the mind and wanting to squash those demons and drown them out.

01:01:49.000 The anxiety, the fear, the depression, you know, just the...

01:01:56.000 Terrible feelings you have about who you are, you know?

01:02:00.000 Maybe you're homeless, maybe your life's falling apart, but you're alive right now and you can't handle it.

01:02:06.000 You can't handle where you're at, you can't handle who you are, you can't handle what people have done to you, so you just throw drugs in there, throw drugs in there.

01:02:14.000 And something like DMT or, you know, there's a bunch of different sort of psychedelics that can do it.

01:02:22.000 For a lot of people it's Ibogaine.

01:02:24.000 Ibogaine is a big one for drug addicts.

01:02:27.000 People have real issues with opiates.

01:02:30.000 Ibogaine knocks it out of the park with those people.

01:02:33.000 It cures a giant number.

01:02:36.000 See if you can Google the percentage of people who are cured of addictions by Ibogaine.

01:02:45.000 Ibogaine comes from the...

01:02:46.000 I've never done this, with all due respect.

01:02:48.000 In full disclosure, it's from the aboga tree.

01:02:52.000 I believe it's from Africa.

01:02:53.000 And there's something about this drug that just kills all ideas that you have of addiction and rewires your brain.

01:03:02.000 And it's insanely effective, but ruthless.

01:03:05.000 It's like a 24-hour experience.

01:03:07.000 Oh my god.

01:03:08.000 Look at this.

01:03:09.000 One doctor reported a 70-80% success rate with effective aftercare.

01:03:13.000 He added that when people recovering from meth addiction took Ibogaine but returned to the same environment where they had originally abused meth, there was a 90% relapse rate.

01:03:24.000 That's not good.

01:03:26.000 So that's terrible.

01:03:28.000 So you have to do it and then get out.

01:03:31.000 Or maybe it's meth.

01:03:32.000 Maybe meth's just like super hard to kick.

01:03:34.000 What's the hardest one to kick? 0.99

01:03:37.000 I've never fucked with. 0.99

01:03:39.000 Eddie Bravo and I were talking about this once. 0.96

01:03:41.000 We were both saying this.

01:03:42.000 There's no meth advocates.

01:03:45.000 People are telling you you should take weed.

01:03:47.000 Bro, weed will calm you down.

01:03:49.000 We will make you more friendly.

01:03:51.000 There's weed evangelists.

01:03:52.000 There's no meth guys.

01:03:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:03:54.000 Oh, that's funny.

01:03:55.000 And Ozark, that comes up at the end.

01:03:57.000 She's like, I want to start those treatment centers. 1.00

01:03:59.000 Yes, yes.

01:03:59.000 At the same time.

01:04:00.000 Don't spoil it.

01:04:02.000 I was trying to figure out how to say it.

01:04:02.000 Yeah, you did a good job.

01:04:04.000 Yeah, that didn't give away too much enough. 0.99

01:04:07.000 Goddamn. 0.99

01:04:08.000 There's something about... 0.99

01:04:10.000 Having any sort of a psychedelic experience it just makes you realize how you how badly you're fucking up and for some people that's enough like the whole reason why they would do a psychedelic if they were addicted also is because they realize they were fucking up and they're looking for some way to change You know those good feelings that you have man like when when you beat Dominic Cruz and you raised your hands at the end of that fight and you knew it was gonna be over. 0.66

01:04:36.000 You knew it was gonna be over. 0.87

01:04:38.000 You knew you're gonna go down in history no matter what.

01:04:40.000 Even if you step away right now.

01:04:42.000 I know you say the greatest, but I'm just in the fairness of experts.

01:04:45.000 In combat, in combat sports.

01:04:46.000 You are one of the greatest of all time for sure.

01:04:49.000 Olympic gold medalist, two-division world champion.

01:04:52.000 That's unheard of and you're doing it all in this super technical division.

01:04:58.000 Both of them.

01:04:59.000 25 and 35. Super technical divisions.

01:05:02.000 Everybody's a wizard.

01:05:03.000 And we saw that this weekend, man. 1.00

01:05:05.000 Holy shit. 0.99

01:05:06.000 What a weekend for the Bantamweight division, right? 0.99

01:05:09.000 Yeah, it's exciting, man.

01:05:10.000 There's a lot of good people out there.

01:05:12.000 The resurrection, too, of Cody.

01:05:14.000 Dude, Cody looked so good.

01:05:16.000 He didn't just look so good. 0.96

01:05:18.000 He looked so fucking fast. 0.94

01:05:19.000 So fast and technical. 0.92

01:05:22.000 I mean, it was super impressive, but so was Aljamain Sterling.

01:05:27.000 Aljamain Sterling.

01:05:28.000 Choking out Sanhagen like that and being able to do it in under two minutes, that's crazy. 1.00

01:05:33.000 Yeah, that is, man.

01:05:34.000 That's crazy.

01:05:35.000 And especially the guy who he beat and how he beat.

01:05:38.000 Sanhagen?

01:05:39.000 Sanhagen's a beast.

01:05:40.000 Yeah, he's the real dude, man.

01:05:42.000 That was the fight that I was thinking on the card was going to be the most difficult to call.

01:05:46.000 I was like, who's going to win that one?

01:05:48.000 I don't know.

01:05:50.000 Because they're both so good.

01:05:52.000 And Sanhagen's just surging.

01:05:53.000 But Aljo just shut it all down, man.

01:05:57.000 The way he did it.

01:05:57.000 Just so intense.

01:05:59.000 Like he hits a new level.

01:06:01.000 You know how sometimes a fighter will just hit a new level?

01:06:04.000 Now when you think about him, it's probably hard for you because that's your division.

01:06:09.000 Yeah, but again, his wrestling...

01:06:12.000 I break people down, even through their mentality.

01:06:16.000 The fighters I'm going to study, I study their mental game too and how they do interviews.

01:06:19.000 And I'll give you two examples.

01:06:21.000 And I feel like Al Jermaine Sterling is almost the same thing as Demetrius Johnson.

01:06:31.000 Just in the concept of my wrestling.

01:06:34.000 Just because of my wrestling, I feel extremely confident with my hands.

01:06:37.000 And I know he can't take me down.

01:06:39.000 I know he won't take me down.

01:06:40.000 So I know there's a game pack set in place where I can be a little more offensive with somebody like Aljamay Sterling.

01:06:46.000 And obviously, let's talk about Sean O'Malley.

01:06:49.000 I just want to break these dudes down real quick. 0.98

01:06:50.000 Even somebody like him.

01:06:52.000 Listen to his interviews.

01:06:55.000 And you study these guys and you see what their mindset is and where their holes are going to be.

01:07:00.000 They asked Sean O'Malley, who do you want to fight next?

01:07:04.000 And he's like, you know, I just want to fight the best strikers.

01:07:07.000 He never mentioned about, I'll take anybody out, I'll take anybody in the top 10 or 15 or whatever.

01:07:12.000 Because in my opinion, he hasn't really beat somebody that's like, okay man, you're the real deal.

01:07:16.000 Even though he did be Weiland and he was a contender, but it's been a long time.

01:07:21.000 Well, he's a young kid that's learning the sport while we're watching him on the UFC. That's what's crazy about him.

01:07:28.000 I mean, you go back to Dana White's Contender Show, and he was looser, wilder, you know, fun to watch, but not nearly as sharp.

01:07:37.000 Like, now he's on a completely different level.

01:07:39.000 Knocking out Wineland like that, faking the uppercut, and then just following over the top with a straight right hand and catching him slipping?

01:07:46.000 I mean, that was fantastic.

01:07:48.000 But that's the point that I'm trying to get to is it's a striking game for him right now.

01:07:54.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:07:55.000 There is a whole other aspect, and that's called wrestling and jiu-jitsu.

01:07:59.000 That phone I've heard, he has developed pretty good jiu-jitsu, but there's that other art that I want to see when you're really good testing, you're taking it to deep waters, then I'll see your real colors.

01:08:09.000 Then I'll be like, okay, man, you are ready to take on...

01:08:12.000 Anybody in the top five.

01:08:13.000 I'm gonna give you a good example that Yair Rodriguez when he fought Frankie Edgar That was a good example that Frankie Edgar was just that wrestling was too strong that ground-to-pound was too strong He couldn't keep him off him.

01:08:28.000 He just couldn't do anything about it And that was a great example because Yair was this super flashy kicker.

01:08:35.000 I mean, Yair, to me, has some of the best kicks I've ever seen inside the octagon. 0.99

01:08:38.000 Wild, flashy shit. 0.98

01:08:40.000 Remember when he threw against BJ, he hit him with a 360 roundhouse kick to the face? 1.00

01:08:45.000 Do you remember that? 0.99

01:08:46.000 Bro, that's some crazy shit to pull off in a fight. 1.00

01:08:50.000 360 roundhouse kicked him in the face. 0.99

01:08:54.000 Yair was a beast and everybody was like really thinking, you know, he's on a short path to the title.

01:09:00.000 But the big hole was that wrestling.

01:09:03.000 It was exposed by how elite Frankie is and how nasty Frankie's ground and pound is. 0.84

01:09:09.000 It was a major beatdown, you know, and that's one of those fights where you watch a guy and you go, this guy, it's all about styles.

01:09:19.000 Because it's all about... 0.98

01:09:20.000 If he found someone that played his game, like, oh shit, he's good at that game. 0.98

01:09:27.000 But what Frankie did is just completely impose his game. 0.99

01:09:30.000 Just drag him down...

01:09:32.000 And beat him up, and then we don't know what would happen with O'Malley when it comes to that, but I know who he is as a person, and he's working.

01:09:39.000 He's working on everything. 1.00

01:09:41.000 That kid is, he's focused as fuck. 0.99

01:09:43.000 He keeps getting better and better and better, like in a trippy way. 1.00

01:09:46.000 Like when you saw him come back after two years off, you know, two years dealing with a bunch of bullshit. 0.97

01:09:51.000 I forget what he was suspended for. 0.95

01:09:53.000 I don't remember what it was.

01:09:55.000 Was it marijuana?

01:09:57.000 That doesn't make sense.

01:09:58.000 Tainted supplements?

01:09:59.000 Yeah, something in protein or something like that.

01:10:01.000 Yeah.

01:10:02.000 Anyway, I'm interested.

01:10:04.000 Yeah, and it's making the Bannerwood division with guys like that.

01:10:08.000 It's making it exciting, man.

01:10:10.000 Oh, it's so exciting.

01:10:10.000 First of all, we didn't even talk.

01:10:12.000 You got Piotr Jan versus Jose Aldo for your title.

01:10:16.000 Does it still feel like yours?

01:10:18.000 I let it go, Joe.

01:10:19.000 I let it go, honestly.

01:10:20.000 Honestly, I let it go, man. 0.99

01:10:21.000 They can all kill each other. 0.99

01:10:23.000 That's how I feel. 0.99

01:10:23.000 I'm so happy. 0.99

01:10:24.000 I'm so satisfied, Joe, honestly.

01:10:26.000 You look happy.

01:10:27.000 The point is, like, what a division.

01:10:29.000 Unless you cross me with something here.

01:10:31.000 I don't know what you...

01:10:31.000 No, it's all good, bro.

01:10:32.000 It's all good.

01:10:34.000 I'm really excited about that Jose Aldo-Piotr Jan fight, but it's fascinating to me that they decided to give the fight to Aldo even though Marais won the decision.

01:10:45.000 That's a real interesting choice, isn't it?

01:10:48.000 Because although I agree with the decision, I think, or excuse me, I agree with Aldo.

01:10:53.000 I think Aldo won that fight.

01:10:54.000 I think it was a really close fight, but I thought Aldo won the fight.

01:10:58.000 But it was close.

01:10:59.000 It was really close.

01:11:00.000 But the fact that the judges gave it to Marlon and then the UFC is like, nah, player, we're going to have Aldo fight Piotr.

01:11:07.000 And part of it is because Aldo is obviously a huge draw and one of the greatest of all time, particularly greatest featherweights of all time.

01:11:15.000 Well, remember, I'm actually going to change your mind on that.

01:11:18.000 It's actually, it's really my fault.

01:11:19.000 It's your fault?

01:11:20.000 Yeah, it's my fault that Jose Aldo's fighting for the belt.

01:11:23.000 Because that's who I was originally supposed to fight with, Dominic.

01:11:26.000 But this whole COVID thing happened.

01:11:28.000 So Aldo was going to fight for the title, and then it's like, you can't do that to him.

01:11:32.000 So the UFC, you know, they stuck to their word.

01:11:35.000 Oh, that's interesting.

01:11:36.000 Or at least I think.

01:11:38.000 If Eddie was here, we could debate, man.

01:11:40.000 That makes sense.

01:11:41.000 That 100% makes sense.

01:11:42.000 That makes sense.

01:11:44.000 Listen, I'm happy for both fights.

01:11:46.000 I'd be happy if Marlon fought Piotr Jan for the title, or I'd be happy if Aldo fought him.

01:11:52.000 I'd be happy if Marlon and Aldo fought again.

01:11:55.000 There's great fights in that division.

01:11:58.000 Step down.

01:11:59.000 Really?

01:11:59.000 For now.

01:12:00.000 The people that I think that should fight for the belt would be Aljamain Sterling and Piotr.

01:12:05.000 I'm going to call him Peter, man.

01:12:07.000 I ain't going to get that authentic.

01:12:09.000 It was Peter for a while.

01:12:11.000 We were supposed to call him Peter.

01:12:12.000 And then they said, no, it's Piotr.

01:12:15.000 Piotr.

01:12:16.000 It's like Fedor, you know.

01:12:17.000 Fedor's real name is not Fedor.

01:12:19.000 It's Fyodor.

01:12:20.000 Yeah.

01:12:21.000 That's so rude.

01:12:22.000 We could have said Fyodor.

01:12:23.000 Yeah, but even somebody like Peter Yoneman, like, how dangerous is he really?

01:12:26.000 Yeah, he beat Uriah, but Uriah's been out for a minute.

01:12:29.000 You know, besides Uriah, what's another big name that that dude has beaten?

01:12:33.000 No, well, clearly he's very good.

01:12:36.000 There's no doubt about it.

01:12:37.000 Whether or not he's at your level, you don't find out until he fights a guy like you.

01:12:41.000 Or he fights a guy like Aldo.

01:12:43.000 That's when we find out what's up.

01:12:44.000 But we know he's really good.

01:12:46.000 You know, the way he beat up Uriah, it's not just that he beat him.

01:12:49.000 He beat him up.

01:12:50.000 And, you know, Uriah's...

01:12:52.000 Always gonna be a tough out.

01:12:53.000 He's a tough guy, man.

01:12:54.000 He's a super skilled, super seasoned guy.

01:12:57.000 Uriah's been around forever.

01:12:59.000 You know, he's fought so many good guys.

01:13:01.000 He knows how to survive.

01:13:02.000 And to see Piotr beat him up like that, it's like, wow. 0.99

01:13:05.000 And he's fucking strong, man. 1.00

01:13:07.000 He's fucking strong. 1.00

01:13:09.000 Like, he's got that weirdo Russian strength. 1.00

01:13:11.000 You know? 0.84

01:13:13.000 He is dangerous.

01:13:14.000 He's got power.

01:13:15.000 He throws knees.

01:13:16.000 He throws off the clinch.

01:13:18.000 Yep.

01:13:19.000 Dangerous.

01:13:19.000 He's technical.

01:13:20.000 When I see a guy like that, it's like he's technical and he has malice.

01:13:24.000 And when someone's technical and they have malice, it's like, that's what I have.

01:13:27.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:13:28.000 And I can recognize that.

01:13:30.000 Yeah.

01:13:31.000 Malice is a good way of putting it. 0.86

01:13:32.000 What Mike Tyson would call bad intentions.

01:13:35.000 Yeah.

01:13:36.000 Yeah, he's got it.

01:13:37.000 So the division's never been more exciting.

01:13:41.000 And there's still guys like Jimmy Rivera, still a dangerous, dangerous fighter.

01:13:46.000 That's what I'm saying, Joe.

01:13:47.000 You think they'll miss me?

01:13:49.000 They're going to miss you anyway, man.

01:13:51.000 Come on.

01:13:52.000 They're going to miss you.

01:13:52.000 They hated the crib.

01:13:53.000 No, no, no. 1.00

01:13:54.000 Listen, you did a great job with all that cringy shit. 0.99

01:13:56.000 You made people pay attention. 0.99

01:13:58.000 I thought it was genius.

01:13:59.000 Knowing you, who you really are, seeing this character that you're doing.

01:14:02.000 Did I get you out?

01:14:03.000 Yeah, I was laughing hard, man.

01:14:05.000 Are you ready for me to become the intergender world champ?

01:14:08.000 When you're telling Valentina to bend the knee, I was crying.

01:14:12.000 I was crying like that.

01:14:13.000 It's so funny.

01:14:14.000 Can we pull up some pictures of that?

01:14:16.000 The intergender world champ.

01:14:18.000 That is hilarious.

01:14:20.000 What made you decide, just like, look, I need something.

01:14:23.000 I need something to market myself.

01:14:25.000 No, it was actually, no, I wasn't even, oh my God, this is kind of a, it's funny, but it's somebody high profile that dared me to.

01:14:33.000 I'm like, dude, I can't do that.

01:14:34.000 He challenged me so much.

01:14:35.000 He's like, I dare you.

01:14:37.000 You know, I was like, ah, all right.

01:14:39.000 So I ended up doing the video and then I was like, God, dude, what am I doing?

01:14:42.000 Oh, that's hilarious.

01:14:44.000 But look at what it's done, Joe.

01:14:45.000 I was like, we saved, I saved, I saved an entire division, man, because the way I wanted to cut its neck off.

01:14:51.000 And he told me that.

01:14:51.000 There's something about what you did that's like, this is what Conor did, this is what...

01:14:56.000 Chael Sonnen was probably the best at it, the original.

01:15:00.000 Chael Sonnen's the original pro-wrestling-style shit-talker in MMA that really made people hyped up about fights. 0.99

01:15:09.000 I mean, you gotta give credit to Chael, because before Chael, there was, you know, I'm gonna fuck him up, I'm gonna kick his ass. 0.99

01:15:15.000 People always talk shit, but they never talk shit with an entertainer's flair. 1.00

01:15:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:15:20.000 The way Chael did. 1.00

01:15:21.000 I mean, even though you kind of knew that Chael was in over his head in some of those fights, like with Jon Jones, I had a real deep feeling he was in over his head with Anderson Silva in the second fight in particular. 0.99

01:15:34.000 You know, I just had a feeling he was in over his head, but he would still talk so much shit. 0.98

01:15:37.000 It was so fun. 0.99

01:15:38.000 And it made the fights way bigger.

01:15:40.000 They should all thank him.

01:15:41.000 Thank you for what you said about my mother.

01:15:43.000 Thank you for... 1.00

01:15:44.000 Shit. 1.00

01:15:44.000 Thank you for all that crazy shit you said because that's what really sold that fight. 1.00

01:15:49.000 They all made more money because of him. 0.99

01:15:51.000 The thing is, is what I admire about that now, like a guy like Kobe, obviously Connor, even Ronda.

01:15:59.000 I think Ronda was more of a persona. 0.99

01:16:00.000 It was more the fact that the pressure that comes with that shit, like, dude, that's like a hoax. 0.99

01:16:04.000 It's a whole nother fight, and you have to make sure that you gotta live up to your expectations. 1.00

01:16:09.000 You remember me throwing shit out the bag with the pillow? 0.94

01:16:12.000 What'd you think of the pillow stuff? 1.00

01:16:13.000 I'm like, dude, I really gotta beat Dominic's ass to you. 0.99

01:16:18.000 I know the pillows with the heads on them, and you're kicking the pillows with different guys' heads. 0.99

01:16:23.000 But dude, it was funny.

01:16:25.000 It was funny.

01:16:27.000 It does put extra pressure on you, right?

01:16:28.000 Because if you lose, people are so happy.

01:16:30.000 But check this out.

01:16:31.000 This is how crazy I am.

01:16:32.000 That pressure, man.

01:16:33.000 I channel that thing, and I almost love it, Joey.

01:16:37.000 It's crazy.

01:16:37.000 I like feeling a little scared.

01:16:39.000 Look at you with the pillows.

01:16:41.000 Lay it in bed with your belts and the pillows with TJ's head and DJ's head.

01:16:46.000 It's hilarious.

01:16:47.000 The king of cringe, bend the knee.

01:16:50.000 So what did your friend, that you won't say the person's name, can you say what their name rhymes with?

01:16:57.000 Man, I can't, Jill.

01:16:59.000 I can't.

01:16:59.000 Don't throw him.

01:17:00.000 Tell me later.

01:17:01.000 But what did they say to you?

01:17:03.000 Like, you have to come up with this character?

01:17:05.000 Is that what they said to you?

01:17:07.000 No.

01:17:08.000 I think it was...

01:17:09.000 After I beat Demetrius Johnson, I went to the Apex fight with...

01:17:14.000 And I happened to be there randomly.

01:17:16.000 And then, obviously, Dana was there at the fight.

01:17:17.000 And I pulled him aside.

01:17:18.000 I was like, hey, Dana, let's...

01:17:19.000 You know, how are you?

01:17:20.000 And he actually wanted to talk to me.

01:17:22.000 He was like, hey, come to my office.

01:17:23.000 So...

01:17:24.000 I ended up, you know, going from the fights to his office and we're, you know, I was in his red Ferrari.

01:17:29.000 Freaking really nice too, man.

01:17:31.000 And he's like, hey, bud, I just want to let you know that, you know, that I'm thinking about getting rid of the division.

01:17:36.000 Or I'm going to get rid of the division.

01:17:38.000 This is right after I beat Demetri Johnson, man.

01:17:41.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:17:41.000 Like there's new blood.

01:17:44.000 And he told me straight up, and I was just like, man, I have to do something, man.

01:17:47.000 If I don't start speaking up, if I don't start being hated, my division's gonna drown, man.

01:17:52.000 And it's up to me, and I felt like that's something that Demetrius never did.

01:17:56.000 Can I tell you why?

01:17:58.000 It wasn't entertaining.

01:18:01.000 People don't pay attention.

01:18:04.000 I think because Demetrius was so dominant.

01:18:05.000 They don't appreciate true art, man.

01:18:08.000 Demetrius was so dominant that he heard a division because it gets born.

01:18:13.000 There has to be a storyline to people.

01:18:16.000 And Demetrius wasn't the most personable dude in the world.

01:18:19.000 So then I took that upon myself when he said that.

01:18:22.000 I was like, well, I'm going to have to come up with a gimmick.

01:18:23.000 You know, originally I was supposed to go up to 135 pounds.

01:18:28.000 Right.

01:18:28.000 And I brought TJ down because if I was going to go up to 135 pounds, they were going to strip me from my belt.

01:18:35.000 It was like, this is the contract.

01:18:36.000 And that was the original plans for me to go up.

01:18:38.000 But then I decided to come down and keep the division and kind of fight for it.

01:18:42.000 Let's talk about that fight because that was a crazy situation, right?

01:18:45.000 First of all, TJ looked like dead man walking, going to the weigh-ins.

01:18:49.000 Like I said...

01:18:50.000 As bad as anybody I've ever seen besides Travis Luter.

01:18:52.000 I mean, Travis Luter was a dehydration thing.

01:18:54.000 TJ had starved himself down to a skeleton.

01:18:56.000 It was real weird.

01:18:58.000 And then when you found out that he is taking EPO, and then he said that he was taking EPO because he just didn't have any energy from cutting that weight.

01:19:07.000 I don't know, man.

01:19:08.000 I don't know what the answer is.

01:19:09.000 My brother and I were talking about that yesterday.

01:19:11.000 I'm not sure what it was, but I felt sick inside when I found out, Joe.

01:19:16.000 It's like a sadness that it brings to you because, dude, it's like, yeah, we may talk stuff to each other, but it doesn't get that personal.

01:19:26.000 Oh, I shouldn't get that personal for somebody to take an EPO, man.

01:19:29.000 Something that...

01:19:30.000 A drug that you just will never get tired of.

01:19:32.000 And fight that dude with these four-ounce gloves.

01:19:34.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:19:35.000 Like, there's a little bit of malice there, man.

01:19:38.000 So I remember that day I called.

01:19:39.000 I talked to my brother.

01:19:40.000 I talked to my mom.

01:19:40.000 I'm like...

01:19:41.000 As thick-skinned as we grew up and whatnot, this is hurting me, man.

01:19:45.000 What would you have done if you found out before the fight?

01:19:49.000 If they gave you the option?

01:19:51.000 I felt so good.

01:19:52.000 If they pulled you aside and said, listen, Henry, the fight's going to go on, but we got an issue.

01:19:57.000 It turns out we just got TJ's drug sample back, and he tested positive for EPO. You can still fight him if you want to.

01:20:03.000 We're going to strip him. 0.89

01:20:04.000 Even if he wins, we're going to strip him.

01:20:07.000 We're going to fine him and keep him from fighting for two years.

01:20:09.000 He's going to get convicted of using this stuff.

01:20:11.000 But you can choose to fight him.

01:20:13.000 Just don't tell anybody.

01:20:18.000 But here's my deal, man.

01:20:19.000 Hey, if you're going to ask me a question like that, I got one for you too.

01:20:23.000 Okay.

01:20:23.000 But a guy can...

01:20:24.000 They can say, like a guy misses weight by five pounds, he can still fight you. 0.99

01:20:28.000 That's a fucking big advantage. 0.98

01:20:30.000 He didn't have to cut those extra five? 0.99

01:20:32.000 You know how many times guys miss weight and still win?

01:20:35.000 It's big.

01:20:36.000 It's a big number.

01:20:38.000 When guys miss weight and wind up winning the fight, I believe...

01:20:41.000 Who was talking about that?

01:20:43.000 One of the...

01:20:44.000 One of the commentators might have been Dominick Cruz.

01:20:47.000 He was talking about guys missing weight and then winding up winning the fight because they have an advantage.

01:20:54.000 They didn't cut the weight.

01:20:57.000 We all know there's a certain point in time where you shouldn't lose any more weight.

01:21:02.000 But we also know there's a dark land where most people don't want to travel through, where you can make it through, where you can get to that point where you don't want to do it anymore.

01:21:11.000 You're fucking dying inside, but you stay in there an extra 20 minutes and you make the weight.

01:21:15.000 Or some people don't. 1.00

01:21:16.000 But the guy who doesn't, it's bad for your body to cut that much weight.

01:21:20.000 The guy who leaves those extra five pounds on his body, that's a big advantage.

01:21:25.000 That's big.

01:21:26.000 Yeah, it is, but also...

01:21:29.000 It is, actually.

01:21:30.000 It is.

01:21:31.000 What's bigger, that or EPO? EPO. I imagine, man.

01:21:35.000 Yeah, because, man, TJ was saying how good he felt.

01:21:37.000 He never felt so good in his life.

01:21:38.000 I'm just hearing it from him.

01:21:40.000 But also, in that fight, that's when I felt like the most prepared, Joe.

01:21:44.000 I felt, even until now, my career...

01:21:46.000 I'm retired.

01:21:47.000 I'm really done.

01:21:48.000 And that's the best that I've ever felt, man, against TJ Dillard.

01:21:52.000 So I think to answer that question...

01:21:54.000 I think I still would fight him for that reason because I did everything natural and I used science.

01:22:00.000 You had a really interesting team with you the last time you were here.

01:22:04.000 They're called Neuroforce?

01:22:06.000 Yeah, Neuroforce One.

01:22:08.000 Without having people go back and listen to that podcast, give me this rundown of what they did in terms of your reaction times and all that sports specific neuro shit they were doing with you. 0.96

01:22:21.000 I say neuro shit because I'm a I don't know what the term is. 0.81

01:22:24.000 But it's fascinating listening to them talk about how they used real science and data to mark your performance. 0.98

01:22:31.000 Yeah, I think everything from like the morning by the time I wake up, I have the Omega wave.

01:22:35.000 And a lot of the credit that I do O2 is out at the US CPI with Roman.

01:22:41.000 The physiologist down there, and it was, you know, I wake up every morning, I use Omega Wave, which tells me, like, which gives me my heart rate ability.

01:22:50.000 It kind of gives me my windows.

01:22:52.000 What's it called?

01:22:52.000 Omega Wave?

01:22:53.000 Yeah, Omega Wave.

01:22:54.000 And this is a test strap?

01:22:55.000 Yeah, it suggests that when you wake up, the first thing you do before you brush your teeth or anything is you put this strap on it, and, you know, it's...

01:23:03.000 It's taking levels of your heart rate.

01:23:07.000 So it allows you and lets you know, according to your heart rate, how hard you're able to train that day.

01:23:12.000 So it gives it into like, you got your windows of trainability, like how hard you should go.

01:23:17.000 And it kind of measures a lot of your training.

01:23:18.000 So I do that every morning.

01:23:20.000 And then obviously I've done testing with them from balance, like just body scan, DEXA scans, like a bunch of things.

01:23:28.000 Crazy amounts of testing to kind of figure more out of like my biomechanics and things of that matter.

01:23:35.000 So I only have about three to four hard workouts like a week.

01:23:41.000 Like I don't do no more than maybe even three.

01:23:44.000 Really?

01:23:45.000 Because it's all according, because it's about you understanding your threshold.

01:23:49.000 And I think where a lot of fighters don't succeed is they exert that and then they want to fight that and then next you know they're on the ground or they're losing.

01:23:56.000 So they're not optimizing their performance by giving themselves an ample amount of recovery.

01:24:01.000 They're training too hard too often.

01:24:03.000 Yes, and using a lot more recovery.

01:24:05.000 What I do down there is I do a lot of infrared lighting.

01:24:08.000 I do altitude pod capsules, the technology that they have.

01:24:13.000 There's certain headphones that helps activate everything in your body.

01:24:19.000 It's the new-age thing with a lot of pressure machines and things of that matter.

01:24:25.000 Doing a lot of mobility exercises.

01:24:28.000 It's crazy how powerful and how strong you become just through doing mobility and understanding posture.

01:24:35.000 So, you know, big shout out to my strength coach Andre Hicks and Kevin Longoria, Kareem Amin, and everybody down there because they're revolutionizing, man.

01:24:46.000 I feel like I'm ahead on the curve when it comes to understanding how to do a proper camp for MMA. Where I'm not extremely killing myself, I'm loving the sport through the process like it doesn't always have to be a crazy battle.

01:24:59.000 That's a big revelation for a lot of people. 0.99

01:25:02.000 They're hearing this from you and they're like, oh shit, that's crazy. 0.98

01:25:06.000 This might literally shift the way people train because so many guys are out there leaving it all in the gym. 0.99

01:25:11.000 They're so tough and they're trying to condition themselves, but there's a...

01:25:17.000 Just like a tipping point where you're working too hard and you're always sore and your body doesn't have a chance to recover and you don't grow.

01:25:24.000 You don't get better.

01:25:24.000 You just sort of maintain.

01:25:25.000 And that's where a lot of guys wind up getting injured as well.

01:25:28.000 Yeah.

01:25:28.000 And a lot of that stuff too, it's like when I do my training, it's like I revolve all my training around my sparring.

01:25:34.000 Like my sparring is my most important thing.

01:25:37.000 So I almost number my workouts on how numbers that should be that day.

01:25:40.000 So I'm going to give you an example.

01:25:41.000 On Monday, it could be a seven and an eight, two practices right on Monday.

01:25:47.000 The next day, they're going to be more of like a 4 and a 5 or a 5 and a 6. It all depends on your max, you know what I mean?

01:25:54.000 On your performance and all the testing that they've done.

01:25:59.000 But on Wednesday, this is where I got to deliver and this is where I have to give the 10. So it's a sparring day?

01:26:04.000 Yes, it's a sparring day.

01:26:05.000 And there's only one sparring day a week?

01:26:06.000 There's two.

01:26:07.000 So one's technical.

01:26:09.000 And the other one is, alright man, we have the ref.

01:26:12.000 I got a doctor in there.

01:26:14.000 Literally, man, it's legit.

01:26:15.000 Every time I spar, the music comes out.

01:26:17.000 My opponent's music, my music, I walk out.

01:26:19.000 Really?

01:26:20.000 I get checked, yeah.

01:26:21.000 Really?

01:26:22.000 Yeah.

01:26:22.000 It's done every time during cap.

01:26:25.000 My coach, Captain Eric Alberison, he's...

01:26:28.000 We've been able to simulate and emulate everything that we're going to do in a fight.

01:26:33.000 Like even my training.

01:26:33.000 Like my training is not me doing jujitsu for two hours and then at night I do boxing.

01:26:38.000 Like no, no, no.

01:26:39.000 I'm in there play sparring, seeing where I'm doing good in play sparring and then adjusting what I saw in play sparring with the coaches individually.

01:26:48.000 And then I'm giving 20 minutes to that and then I give 20 minutes to my striking with pad work or it could be with the partner.

01:26:56.000 But I'm going the whole time.

01:26:58.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:26:59.000 So I'm collaborating everything together, simulating the fight as much as possible, being very detailed in my training.

01:27:06.000 And then when it comes to sparring, that's the real deal.

01:27:09.000 That's where I have to shine.

01:27:10.000 And that's how I show myself how good I'm becoming.

01:27:13.000 Are you taking notes?

01:27:16.000 How are you keeping track of your progress?

01:27:18.000 Are you just knowing in your head?

01:27:20.000 I know it and I feel it, but I also have a communication with my coaches where they know that I'm extremely honest.

01:27:26.000 Man, I'm not feeling well.

01:27:29.000 I need to rest another two, three hours before I go train today, guys.

01:27:33.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:27:34.000 It's a very...

01:27:37.000 Selfish style training.

01:27:40.000 That's a big advantage.

01:27:42.000 I am giving a lot of knowledge here, man, but that's who I am and I want to share what I have.

01:27:47.000 I've never heard anybody break it down that way, particularly the fact that I don't think I've ever heard anybody doing that where you have your opponent's walkout music, you have your walkout music.

01:27:59.000 You have a referee.

01:28:00.000 You do the whole thing like a fight.

01:28:02.000 I've never heard anybody do that, but that makes sense.

01:28:04.000 And particularly if you do it at the Apex Center, where there's no crowd, it is like doing it in your gym.

01:28:11.000 And this is how we train for Dama.

01:28:13.000 This last camp that I had was like the best...

01:28:16.000 This camp that I had with Dominic was like the best fight camp I've ever had, man.

01:28:21.000 Like the best because I've learned from everything that I've done, man.

01:28:26.000 It's almost like I've built this team.

01:28:28.000 I'm not from a team necessarily, but I've built this team around me according to every opponent that I fight.

01:28:33.000 So everybody's moving and everybody's mimicking Dominic Cruz and vice versa for TJ, for Marlon.

01:28:39.000 Like it's...

01:28:40.000 And these dudes are being compensated. 0.53

01:28:41.000 These dudes are being paid.

01:28:42.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:28:43.000 So it's a real business.

01:28:45.000 Not just, hey, just go out there and spar them.

01:28:47.000 Try everything that you do.

01:28:50.000 To me, that's like a chicken with his head cut off.

01:28:56.000 Are you truly improving?

01:28:58.000 Right.

01:28:59.000 Well, what you're saying, all of it 100% makes sense.

01:29:02.000 I mean, it's brilliant.

01:29:04.000 Doing it that way is brilliant. 0.99

01:29:06.000 And in the process, man, you cut all the bullshit out. 0.95

01:29:09.000 There's things in jujitsu that doesn't work. 0.98

01:29:11.000 As a wrestler, which I love, there's things in wrestling that doesn't work.

01:29:14.000 In boxing, the distance is different, like all this, so you almost have to mimic everything that you do in a very technical sense.

01:29:21.000 So when you do this, are you wearing normal four-ounce gloves, the whole deal?

01:29:26.000 No, they're more like the sparring gloves, like the puffier ones. 0.98

01:29:30.000 Have you fucked with any of those Onyx ones? 0.99

01:29:33.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

01:29:34.000 How goddamn good are those? 0.93

01:29:36.000 Those are awesome, man. 0.98

01:29:37.000 Those are the best MMA gloves I've ever felt.

01:29:39.000 Once these guys decide to truly launch and whatnot, I think that company could completely take over.

01:29:45.000 That's what I'm saying. 1.00

01:29:46.000 They make the best shit. 1.00

01:29:47.000 Mm-hmm. 1.00

01:29:48.000 Dude, he's such a madman about it too.

01:29:50.000 Trevor was on the podcast with Justin and describing his process of making those gloves.

01:29:55.000 He got me a pair of them and he let me try on those MMA ones.

01:29:58.000 When you compare them to the UFC one side to side, you're like, what?

01:30:02.000 These are crazy good.

01:30:04.000 They're so much better.

01:30:05.000 They're so well designed.

01:30:06.000 Everything about it, man.

01:30:07.000 It's engineered.

01:30:09.000 The padding is better.

01:30:10.000 It's better padding.

01:30:11.000 It feels better.

01:30:12.000 The headgear.

01:30:12.000 Yes.

01:30:13.000 No, he's a wizard.

01:30:14.000 Yeah, doing good things.

01:30:15.000 So you're wearing a slightly larger MMA glove?

01:30:18.000 Yeah, yeah, slightly larger.

01:30:20.000 I get Vaseline, the pep talks, like I'm saying bye to everybody.

01:30:25.000 It feels so normal for me to compete, Joe.

01:30:28.000 It's crazy.

01:30:29.000 It really does feel like a sparring session.

01:30:31.000 That's so genius that you reenact it every week.

01:30:34.000 Yeah, every week.

01:30:34.000 So you get accustomed to it.

01:30:35.000 Every week.

01:30:36.000 Sometimes you're cranking, sometimes you're pissed, but that's even part of how you're going to feel during fight week.

01:30:41.000 You know how many times I've fought with my coach, man?

01:30:42.000 It's crazy.

01:30:44.000 Eric, it's like Captain Eric because it's like, man, we're like brothers.

01:30:47.000 He's a coach, but he's a brother.

01:30:48.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:30:50.000 So it simulates the fight.

01:30:52.000 It's beautiful.

01:30:53.000 That's a genius idea, man.

01:30:55.000 It really is.

01:30:56.000 And so who's mapping out your training camps in terms of when you do strength and conditioning?

01:31:03.000 Is it a collaborative effort?

01:31:04.000 It's a collaborative effort.

01:31:06.000 And a lot of it, I have to pay attention to science.

01:31:09.000 So there's things that my coach have to say, there's things that I have to say, but it's truly like the science.

01:31:13.000 So in terms of your recovery?

01:31:15.000 Yeah.

01:31:16.000 And then what should I eat?

01:31:17.000 Everything's calculated on how hard I'm going to go.

01:31:19.000 So my meals are prepped according to every day of how hard I'm going to go.

01:31:23.000 Really?

01:31:23.000 Yeah, so there's times where I'm doing fives where I'm not gonna eat, like when I'm doing a 10 during sparring, you know what I'm saying?

01:31:29.000 And does this go with, in terms of your preparation, like your pre-workout meals as well?

01:31:34.000 Yes.

01:31:35.000 So if you know you're gonna spar on Wednesday, at what time in the afternoon do you spar?

01:31:40.000 Sometimes we even simulate the time that we're actually fighting.

01:31:42.000 Oh, okay.

01:31:43.000 So you'd be like 9 or 10 o'clock at night, right.

01:31:46.000 Yeah, you don't want to always do that.

01:31:48.000 When would you eat?

01:31:49.000 So if you were going to fight at 8 o'clock at night, when would you eat?

01:31:53.000 Oh my God, but that's...

01:31:55.000 Again, a lot of that stuff, you would have to say preference, man.

01:31:58.000 Like personally, I like to have like a big brunch.

01:32:01.000 So 2-ish?

01:32:02.000 Yeah.

01:32:03.000 2 o'clock in the afternoon-ish?

01:32:04.000 Yeah, about 2 o'clock, 2.30.

01:32:05.000 So you give yourself like five, six hours...

01:32:07.000 Yeah, because your nerves, like if for some reason, like your nerves, it's hard to digest your food when you're nervous, you know what I'm saying, when you're anxious to do something.

01:32:15.000 What kind of food do you eat before you fight?

01:32:19.000 Eggs, pancakes, and obviously I need the carbs and whatnot.

01:32:23.000 I would just eat normal, like bacon.

01:32:25.000 I eat pretty clean throughout the whole camp.

01:32:28.000 You don't have specific pre-fight meals?

01:32:31.000 No, no, but I think at that point it's just the psychology side of it.

01:32:34.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:32:35.000 Like, I'm gonna eat what the serotonin in my mind, like the happiness in me, what it wants, you know what I'm saying?

01:32:41.000 Because I'm gonna deserve it when I fight that night.

01:32:45.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:32:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:48.000 It's a treat.

01:32:49.000 It brings happiness to you.

01:32:51.000 I couldn't do that, man.

01:32:52.000 The first time I lost it, Demetrius.

01:32:55.000 I eat chicken breasts right after I beat them, and veggies.

01:32:59.000 I was super light, but I had no fat in me.

01:33:01.000 I got put out.

01:33:04.000 A lot of them, you have to turn every stone, man, because there's a lot of details, man.

01:33:12.000 It's very complex, man.

01:33:13.000 If you can understand the game on the recovery, on the nutrition, on the happiness, on the preparation, on the game planning, all that.

01:33:22.000 So, let me ask you this.

01:33:24.000 Who is this company that puts these meals together?

01:33:28.000 They're basing it on when you say the meal depends upon the workout.

01:33:33.000 How are they doing that?

01:33:34.000 Give me an example.

01:33:35.000 They're speaking to the physiologists at Neuroforce.

01:33:38.000 That's crazy.

01:33:39.000 Yeah.

01:33:40.000 So, it's almost like there's a team of...

01:33:43.000 And shout out to them too, my friend's kitchen.

01:33:45.000 There's a team of men, maybe 12 people, man.

01:33:51.000 There's a guy that goes in there every time I fight and he's monitoring my heart rate every time like he's a slow down slow down and he'll tell the coach and the coaches will tell me like it's all there's a dude in there warming me up before I go train like at my gym like a personal trainer every single day do they give you anything specifically right after you're done training to sort of recovery anything for like replenish glycogen yeah Yeah,

01:34:18.000 so that's immediately, what is it?

01:34:19.000 UCAN. I get UCAN every time.

01:34:21.000 What is that?

01:34:22.000 It's just a protein.

01:34:24.000 Oh, okay.

01:34:24.000 It's just a protein that I take soon right after.

01:34:26.000 And even the water, man, like alkaline water.

01:34:28.000 Mm-hmm.

01:34:30.000 So it's all just down to...

01:34:32.000 Every T is crossed and every I is dotted.

01:34:35.000 It's all down to the science.

01:34:36.000 Yeah, it's fun.

01:34:37.000 It's really interesting.

01:34:38.000 And I think if I have a gift in anything...

01:34:40.000 I've never seen myself coach, Joe.

01:34:42.000 I think being a coach is...

01:34:44.000 I think being a coach is probably the hardest job, man.

01:34:47.000 Because you've got to deal with pride and sometimes they leave you or not.

01:34:50.000 But anyways, if there's one thing that I could do and help people with, if I was a coach, would it be game planning and actually putting a game plan together and understanding...

01:35:00.000 Putting a solid team together.

01:35:02.000 When did you start doing this thing where you would emulate your opponent's walkout music and your walkout music and the whole deal?

01:35:09.000 Since we fought Demetrius and since I started having success.

01:35:13.000 Actually since Wilson Hayes.

01:35:15.000 So as soon as I lost to Benavidez, I fought Wilson Hayes and then since there and then it got a little more serious when I fought Demetrius and then so forth.

01:35:22.000 We just got better, better through all camps.

01:35:23.000 So that was when you decided, okay, we're going to make some wholesale changes.

01:35:27.000 And this is a big one.

01:35:28.000 We're going to reenact.

01:35:29.000 Is it your idea to do it that way?

01:35:30.000 I had to.

01:35:31.000 I had no choice.

01:35:32.000 Yeah.

01:35:32.000 But I mean, your idea to introduce the fighter and have you introduced and the whole deal, have the walkout music?

01:35:37.000 No, a lot of that was my coach.

01:35:39.000 And then a lot of it's me like, all right, man, well, let's take it to the next level.

01:35:42.000 Like put me in the back.

01:35:44.000 Hey, sejudo up in five.

01:35:46.000 Yeah.

01:35:46.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:35:47.000 Right, right.

01:35:48.000 And I've noticed that since I've done that, Joe, it's been like, dude, I feel like I'm walking out.

01:35:52.000 Why is the Huda getting so better, dude? 0.66

01:35:53.000 It's the comfort of how I feel, man.

01:35:56.000 It's a tactical thing that we've developed.

01:35:59.000 Yeah, you've, yeah.

01:36:01.000 You've figured out a way to make it a normal part of your life.

01:36:04.000 Exactly.

01:36:05.000 That's a big thing about fighters returning, right?

01:36:07.000 Taking a long time off and then coming back, it's very difficult because everything feels weird, right?

01:36:13.000 Yeah, I remember they were talking about that with Sugar Ray Leonard.

01:36:17.000 When Sugar Ray Leonard was in the process of making one of his comebacks, then one of the things they did is they put together...

01:36:23.000 It might have been for the Hagrid fight.

01:36:24.000 They put together fights...

01:36:26.000 In the gym.

01:36:27.000 Like they had a real fight in the gym.

01:36:29.000 So just get used to it.

01:36:31.000 Like you would fight 12 rounds in the gym.

01:36:33.000 Yeah.

01:36:34.000 I guess you go back to it's all...

01:36:37.000 It's not just simulating, man.

01:36:39.000 It's not.

01:36:40.000 But this is the thing.

01:36:41.000 The biggest problem that I've seen, because I've gone through a lot of coaches now, is getting all the coaches on the same page.

01:36:47.000 And getting all the coaches, you know, getting them to commit on science.

01:36:51.000 Is that all your responsibility?

01:36:53.000 Do you have to handle everybody?

01:36:54.000 Does Captain Eric handle it?

01:36:56.000 Yeah, Captain does.

01:36:57.000 He does all that.

01:36:59.000 Not just that, but even for me, it's like stem cells.

01:37:03.000 I did stem cells in Columbia with BioAccelerator out in Columbia.

01:37:08.000 Six months ago, right after my fighting, man, I felt so good for this.

01:37:11.000 If I used to have a jacked up neck, stem cells, like they did a whole, you know, they did all the scans you could think of, you know, from x-rays to MRIs and whatnot.

01:37:21.000 And, you know, they would pinpoint, like, where my body was an ache.

01:37:27.000 And they started injecting stem cells on me, man, all over my neck.

01:37:31.000 Parts of my body that I've never experienced before.

01:37:34.000 Yeah.

01:37:35.000 And immediately my neck started, almost the same day, my neck started feeling better.

01:37:40.000 And ever since then, I think three months into it, my neck was 100%.

01:37:47.000 I wrestled my whole life.

01:37:48.000 Wow.

01:37:49.000 My neck jacked up.

01:37:50.000 So many people have jacked up necks from wrestling too.

01:37:53.000 Backs, necks, knees and shoulders. 0.58

01:37:56.000 That's been a big part of my recovery.

01:38:00.000 Do you remember specifically what kind of stem cells they were using?

01:38:04.000 Did they tell you?

01:38:05.000 Well, it's done in Columbia, so the stem cells are being pulled from a baby's umbilical cord.

01:38:14.000 I don't necessarily know the full science of it, I guess the basic side of it, but man, I can tell you, my body feels good. 0.99

01:38:23.000 Yeah, it's real shit, man. 0.99

01:38:25.000 It works. 1.00

01:38:26.000 I have had stem cells done on my knee, my shoulder.

01:38:30.000 I've had a bunch of different things done, injuries.

01:38:34.000 And you've done that here?

01:38:35.000 Yeah, I've done it here.

01:38:36.000 Yeah, I don't know if it's the same level, because when I was explaining it to or talking to one of my friends about it, they said, what's the difference between that and what they're doing in Panama?

01:38:48.000 Like Dr. Neil Reardon, he has this clinic down there in Panama.

01:38:51.000 They send a lot of fighters down there as well.

01:38:53.000 I think they're allowed to do anything.

01:38:55.000 They can get buck wild.

01:38:56.000 They can fill you up with stem cells.

01:38:58.000 Whatever limitations they might have here in America, they have a fat syringe with them.

01:39:04.000 Get in there.

01:39:06.000 I don't know.

01:39:07.000 I really wish I knew.

01:39:08.000 I don't know if this is true, Joe, or maybe you could look it up.

01:39:11.000 I don't know if even animals.

01:39:14.000 Somebody says something is done with the stem cells of an animal, of a horse, I think.

01:39:18.000 What?

01:39:19.000 And they're using it on humans.

01:39:20.000 On humans?

01:39:21.000 Wow.

01:39:22.000 See, that would be weird, man, if people started growing horse hair all over their body. 0.99

01:39:27.000 Damn, that's a trip. 0.99

01:39:29.000 It didn't happen for two years, and two years later, people start growing hair, weird hair, on their chest and shit. 0.99

01:39:37.000 I mean, I don't think that's going to happen, but I think along the lines of all this medical experimentation, we're going to get some pretty spectacular results, and some of them are going to be bad.

01:39:47.000 Just makes sense.

01:39:48.000 Someone in some other country is going to take...

01:39:50.000 They probably already have.

01:39:51.000 They're probably taking some chances and...

01:39:52.000 Mixed a person with a crocodile or something.

01:39:55.000 I don't think they've probably done that in some places. 1.00

01:39:58.000 Right, shit. 0.99

01:39:59.000 For sure, right? 1.00

01:40:00.000 China.

01:40:01.000 It's crazy what our world is coming to, man.

01:40:03.000 How different it's been.

01:40:05.000 These last 10 years, man, how different has it been?

01:40:08.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:40:09.000 Yeah.

01:40:09.000 These last 10 months, last 10 weeks, things have been crazy.

01:40:14.000 It's a weird time to be alive.

01:40:16.000 Things are happening very rapidly.

01:40:17.000 From the invention of the cell phone to social media.

01:40:23.000 To the ability to share videos and for people to get information, for people to find out about world events, for people to get together and try to make change.

01:40:34.000 It's just a different world, man.

01:40:36.000 It's a different world, in good ways and in bad ways.

01:40:39.000 It's a different world.

01:40:39.000 People are more disconnected than ever while being more connected than ever.

01:40:43.000 Yeah.

01:40:43.000 There's a lot of things about this life that are really weird.

01:40:48.000 Do you think our world's getting better?

01:40:50.000 I have hope man when I see like yesterday there was Part of the George Floyd protest in downtown LA had filled this it's a craziest picture man You see the picture of the street filled with people all nonviolent so all the the looting and all that shit seems to have stopped and now the people that remain seems to be they seem to be dedicated to change in a way that I can't remember anything like this in my life.

01:41:15.000 I think this man's murder has a real chance of changing the world and changing America, for sure.

01:41:23.000 I think it really does.

01:41:24.000 It has a chance in further bridging the divide between people and to get people to look at things in a better way.

01:41:33.000 Like, look how many people got together for this.

01:41:35.000 Look how many people.

01:41:36.000 I mean, it's It had the real bad parts in the beginning with the looting, but I don't think there's the same people. 0.95

01:41:45.000 I think those are people that are broke because COVID kept them locked up in their fucking house for a month at a time without any ability to make any money. 0.98

01:41:52.000 And I think people saw free shit and then everything got wild and it was jumping off and people were smashing windows and a lot of people just stole shit. 0.99

01:41:59.000 That's what I think. 0.99

01:41:59.000 But I don't think that's the same thing that's happening. 0.99

01:42:02.000 I think that's happening along with This protest, but the protest is pretty fucking amazing.

01:42:10.000 When you think that this, in our time, we've never had a moment like this where literally the whole country is getting together and saying things have to change and stop.

01:42:21.000 They're defunding the Minneapolis Police Department, man.

01:42:27.000 I was too young, so I would ask you for this. 1.00

01:42:30.000 The Rodney King shit? 0.99

01:42:31.000 I wasn't here for that. 1.00

01:42:32.000 I watched it on TV, but I was in New York. 0.99

01:42:35.000 I came here right after the Rodney King shit. 1.00

01:42:37.000 But the thing about the Rodney King shit was it was confined to LA. People weren't rioting about Rodney King in New York. 0.99

01:42:46.000 It was just an LA thing.

01:42:48.000 These riots were all over the country, man.

01:42:52.000 I mean, the Freddie...

01:42:54.000 What happened is...

01:42:56.000 What was that guy's name in Baltimore?

01:42:58.000 Freddie Gray?

01:43:02.000 Yeah, that was the last big one I remember.

01:43:05.000 That was about five years ago.

01:43:06.000 And when Freddie Gray was killed by the cops, they went crazy in Baltimore and lit everything on fire and smashed everything.

01:43:13.000 But it was still just Baltimore, you know?

01:43:16.000 With George Floyd, it's the whole country.

01:43:18.000 Yeah, now it's just an excuse to...

01:43:20.000 It was.

01:43:21.000 This is what it is, man.

01:43:22.000 It's like people are fed up, people are pissed.

01:43:24.000 Yeah, but it's also, they're also broke, man.

01:43:28.000 It's not through any fault of their own.

01:43:30.000 They got stuck in this COVID thing like we all did, and they were forced to not be able to work for months and months at a time.

01:43:35.000 And most of them still aren't back at work, right? 1.00

01:43:38.000 So they're broke, and they're fucked, and this is a chance to steal some shit. 1.00

01:43:41.000 I don't condone it. 1.00

01:43:43.000 I don't condone it.

01:43:44.000 But I saw a lot of what looked like high school kids.

01:43:48.000 Running out of those things, holding boxes of sneakers. 0.99

01:43:51.000 Like, they just were taking advantage of free shit. 0.99

01:43:53.000 And yeah, there's some bad people in there, too. 1.00

01:43:56.000 There's some criminals in there, too.

01:43:57.000 There's some people that lit, you know, churches on fire. 1.00

01:44:00.000 There's some people that did some horrible shit. 0.97

01:44:02.000 But I think the whole movement is not connected to that. 0.99

01:44:08.000 That's just some people that did some shit taking advantage of a moment in time where everything went haywire. 0.95

01:44:13.000 But the people... 0.99

01:44:14.000 That are marching, they're doing it very peacefully in these enormous groups.

01:44:20.000 I think it's got a real chance of being something that changes the way cops interact with people.

01:44:28.000 It's got a real chance, because it's so big.

01:44:31.000 Yeah, I guess as a fighter, like, you don't, you don't, like, you ever, like, rough play with your friends when you're a little kid, and then all of a sudden there's, like, a mosh pit next to you, you know, you're freaking, you're, you know, you're, you're being suffocated by everybody's weight, like, that feeling? 0.90

01:44:45.000 Yeah.

01:44:46.000 Like, these cops, they think, you know, sometimes the people that are being arrested, they're fighting, man, because, dude, that's a lot of pressure on the neck, or that's a lot of pressure on the stomach, and things like that.

01:44:55.000 Right.

01:44:56.000 You know, so they can make the excuse that you're resisting arrest. 1.00

01:44:59.000 But look, everyone's gonna resist when you put your fucking shin on their neck. 1.00

01:45:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:45:03.000 You know, that's crazy.

01:45:04.000 That's torture.

01:45:05.000 And also, the way the guy was lying down when he had a shin on his neck, he was lying with his neck against, like, this drain.

01:45:12.000 So this is like this like cement drain area and his neck is right there So his shin is on the top of his neck and then the drain area is the bottom. 0.98

01:45:19.000 It's fucking horrible It's horrible to watch man. 0.97

01:45:22.000 It's like you're watching a guy getting tortured to death Something has to be done. 1.00

01:45:27.000 Now, I don't think it's defund the police.

01:45:30.000 I think it's definitely get rid of anybody like that guy.

01:45:32.000 And it's retrain them.

01:45:35.000 Train them where they realize that there's a chance to do this correctly.

01:45:42.000 You have an amazing job.

01:45:45.000 Being a police officer is incredible responsibility.

01:45:49.000 And it takes an incredibly powerful person to do it and not abuse the power that you have.

01:45:56.000 Because people have a tendency when someone says why do I have to do that because I fucking told you I'm the cops like That's what they're doing when they have that kind of power.

01:46:04.000 They just go to it right away It's you you get you need exceptional people and there's a lot of people that aren't exceptional and Some of those become cops and you see these non-exceptional people who are cops who abuse the fuck out of the power that they're they've been given and That's the problem. 0.91

01:46:19.000 I don't think the problem is that we don't need cops.

01:46:22.000 Like, Jesus Christ, if someone's breaking into your house, you want to be able to call the cops.

01:46:25.000 If you've got a real problem in your life and, you know, there's something going wrong, you want to be able to call the cops.

01:46:30.000 But the cops have to have a better relationship with the people in their communities.

01:46:34.000 Yeah, man.

01:46:35.000 I think out of all this craziness going on, I think, at the end, I think people are starting to unite.

01:46:40.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:46:40.000 Like, even through this whole COVID stuff, not so much what happened with, like, I think it's...

01:46:46.000 It's made people more aware that anything can come and go.

01:46:50.000 It was a revelation for me.

01:46:53.000 Look at Kobe Bryant's situation.

01:46:57.000 Even the most wealthy of people could die because of a mistake in a helicopter.

01:47:05.000 Nothing's gonna save you.

01:47:07.000 The most beloved of people, it doesn't matter.

01:47:10.000 You slam into a mountain, you slam into a mountain.

01:47:13.000 I think through this whole tragedy, I think everybody will be better off, man.

01:47:19.000 I think we'll be better off as a countryman.

01:47:21.000 That's the hope.

01:47:23.000 We need more good days, you know?

01:47:26.000 Like you have a good day and then a bad day and then another bad day and then another bad day and another bad day and a bad week and a bad month.

01:47:35.000 That's a lot of people right now.

01:47:36.000 And then the riots broke up.

01:47:38.000 And now the riots are over.

01:47:39.000 The looting seems to have stopped.

01:47:41.000 The National Guard's moving back out.

01:47:43.000 Let's hope people keep it peaceful.

01:47:45.000 And if people keep it peaceful, it really could change the world.

01:47:48.000 It really could.

01:47:49.000 Yeah.

01:47:51.000 Let's hope on that, man.

01:47:52.000 Let's hope.

01:47:54.000 So what do you do now, Henry Cejudo?

01:47:56.000 Say if you do decide to not fight again.

01:47:58.000 You're like, I'm done.

01:47:59.000 I did what I had to do.

01:48:00.000 I'm Triple C. Two world titles, an Olympic gold medalist.

01:48:04.000 My name is cemented in the history books.

01:48:06.000 That's who you are.

01:48:07.000 I mean, that's legit.

01:48:08.000 I think I programmed Joe to talk like that.

01:48:11.000 You see what I'm saying?

01:48:12.000 You see my gimmick worked.

01:48:14.000 It worked.

01:48:15.000 I'm an analyst. 0.99

01:48:16.000 If I look at you completely objectively, even if I didn't know you and you're a great guy, and I always enjoy talking to you, but if I didn't know you, I'd be like, that motherfucker, name someone who's done more. 0.99

01:48:27.000 Name someone who won two world titles and a fucking gold medal in the Olympics in wrestling and did it all in the most technical of divisions. 0.99

01:48:35.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:48:35.000 Like I said, I'm not saying I'm the best fighter in the world because I'm not, man. 0.98

01:48:40.000 I would even put Demetrius Johnson in front of me.

01:48:43.000 I would put a lot of people in front of me, you know what I'm saying?

01:48:45.000 Even though I do have a win over him.

01:48:48.000 But I wasn't the best wrestler in the world.

01:48:51.000 I wasn't the greatest in wrestling, even though I was an Olympic champion.

01:48:54.000 I fall into a very secluded group, but I'm one of a lot.

01:48:59.000 But I think when you collaborate both of my accolades that I've done in sports...

01:49:04.000 That's where the greatest combat actor of all time comes in.

01:49:07.000 Yeah, and it's a gimmick and I say it a lot, but part of the gimmick is I am telling the truth.

01:49:14.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:49:14.000 Whether you think it's a gimmick or not, it's in the conversation.

01:49:18.000 You're in the conversation.

01:49:20.000 So maybe in the next 20 years they'll...

01:49:24.000 It's a conversation.

01:49:25.000 There's a lot of people that think it should be GSP, and that's in the conversation.

01:49:29.000 He's in the conversation.

01:49:30.000 He's one of the greatest of all time.

01:49:31.000 Some people say, you guys must have forgot how good Anderson Silva was when he was in his prime.

01:49:36.000 That's true, too.

01:49:37.000 That's in the conversation, too.

01:49:39.000 But you are as well, man.

01:49:40.000 You really are.

01:49:41.000 I mean, whether you were joking around about it or not, you're in the conversation as one of the greatest combat sports athletes of all time.

01:49:48.000 And there's a real good argument that when you beat the guys who you beat, particularly beating Demetrius Johnson, who is untouchable, You know, beating Dominic Cruz the way you did, which is Dominic Cruz is always known for not getting hit.

01:50:01.000 And, you know, you hit him and you hit him a lot.

01:50:03.000 And then coming back from the Marlon Marais fight, holy shit, after that first round, to come back and dominate him and just glue yourself to him in the second and then put him away. 1.00

01:50:13.000 Fuck, man. 1.00

01:50:15.000 I mean, those are pretty, pretty powerful accomplishments. 1.00

01:50:18.000 Yeah.

01:50:18.000 No doubt about it.

01:50:19.000 No, I appreciate it, Joe.

01:50:20.000 I appreciate it.

01:50:21.000 I think to answer your question, what's next?

01:50:25.000 There's not only the Volkanovski fight.

01:50:27.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:50:28.000 Because he's not that much taller than him. 0.98

01:50:30.000 I call him an overgrown midget. 1.00

01:50:34.000 And he's not that much bigger than me. 0.97

01:50:37.000 And I feel like, man, I know I could beat him, dude.

01:50:39.000 I just know.

01:50:39.000 What do you walk around at?

01:50:41.000 Probably about 150. 150?

01:50:42.000 Yeah, but it would be my skill.

01:50:45.000 What would you do to prepare for that?

01:50:48.000 Would you gain any weight?

01:50:49.000 Or would you just keep the body weight you have when you walk around?

01:50:52.000 Yeah, I would try to gain maybe another five, six pounds.

01:50:55.000 But I would try to do it as natural as I possibly can.

01:51:01.000 Just to have a little more mass.

01:51:02.000 But...

01:51:03.000 It's a big jump.

01:51:05.000 Yeah, it does get dangerous, man, at 45. Yeah, those 45ers, some of them are enormous, you know? 0.55

01:51:10.000 Yeah, but the other one is, and there's actually, you know, potentially in the talks, like Ali's going to talk with Ryan Garcia's manager, possibly making a fight with...

01:51:22.000 Yeah, with Ryan Garcia.

01:51:23.000 Ryan Garcia the boxer?

01:51:24.000 The boxer.

01:51:25.000 You gonna box?

01:51:26.000 Why not?

01:51:27.000 Why not?

01:51:28.000 Call me crazy if things iron out financially and the cars are played right.

01:51:34.000 Yeah, why not?

01:51:35.000 He tweeted at me.

01:51:36.000 He says, you know, he pretty much called me out.

01:51:41.000 That's the way I took it.

01:51:43.000 Tell him as long as you can throw some leg kicks in there. 0.83

01:51:45.000 You get three leg kicks around.

01:51:48.000 Yeah.

01:51:50.000 So it's been a lot, man.

01:51:51.000 I've actually been pretty busy.

01:51:52.000 I was with Tyson and we were at the AEW event and I was with him.

01:51:56.000 So there's even a potential even crossing over to AEW or the WWE. Do you remember PKA Karate?

01:52:02.000 Do you remember that?

01:52:05.000 No.

01:52:05.000 I think they used to call it the kick of the 90s or the kick of the 80s.

01:52:09.000 Anyway, PKA karate was like kickboxing that you'd watch on ESPN at like 3 o'clock in the morning.

01:52:15.000 I think Jeff Foxworthy even had a bit about it.

01:52:18.000 But it wasn't very good.

01:52:20.000 There were some really good fighters like Rick Rufus.

01:52:23.000 There was a bunch that were real good.

01:52:26.000 Jeremy Trimble.

01:52:28.000 Jerry Trimble.

01:52:30.000 But the majority were kind of second-rate fighters, with no disrespect.

01:52:37.000 They weren't elite.

01:52:38.000 And so they had to throw a certain amount of kicks.

01:52:41.000 They had to throw like six kicks a round. 0.63

01:52:44.000 Imagine if you had a boxing match where you were allowed to throw just two kicks a round.

01:52:50.000 Two leg kicks a round.

01:52:52.000 That's all I would take.

01:52:53.000 Look at that calf kick.

01:52:55.000 That calf kick's been killing people.

01:52:57.000 You have two that land in a round.

01:52:59.000 That's all you're allowed to do.

01:53:00.000 And that's all I need.

01:53:01.000 That's all I need.

01:53:03.000 Against a boxer?

01:53:04.000 Heck yeah.

01:53:05.000 These dudes have never felt that. 0.98

01:53:07.000 Yeah, well even with PK karate was all the kicks were above the waist like a lot of the PK that's one of the one of the things that really defined really woke everyone's eyes up to the power of leg kicks was when Rick Rufus fought this Thai legend God damn it. 0.97

01:53:25.000 I'm gonna fuck up his name if I don't see it written out. 0.97

01:53:29.000 But this Thai guy, Rick was fucking him up in the beginning. 1.00

01:53:33.000 He's real fast and long and hitting him with spinning kicks and shit. 0.99

01:53:37.000 There's his name. 0.99

01:53:37.000 Try saying that name. 0.99

01:53:39.000 C-H-A-N-G-P-U-E-K. Put that on real quick, Jamie.

01:53:46.000 Because watch some of the action from that.

01:53:48.000 This dude came out and did the Y crew and everything.

01:53:51.000 And yeah, just take it from there.

01:53:52.000 And Rick Rufus was lighting him up with his hands.

01:53:54.000 Rick was really slick, and he was probably one of the most talented of all the kickboxers back then that were doing the above-the-waist style, but this dude just kept chopping at his legs, man, and chopping at his legs, and he hurt him.

01:54:08.000 That's what Rick hurt him at one point in time.

01:54:09.000 He caught him with the right hand, it looked like.

01:54:11.000 Is that right hand?

01:54:12.000 Yeah.

01:54:13.000 So, he had him in real trouble.

01:54:15.000 This is round one.

01:54:16.000 Now, this is the first ever, like, mixed or televised?

01:54:20.000 Yeah, it was, well, one of the first ever.

01:54:22.000 This is 1988. And this is actually when I had, oh, we heard him again, dropped him.

01:54:28.000 Did he kick him in the face on the way down, too? 0.99

01:54:31.000 I mean, he had him fucked up in that first round. 0.99

01:54:33.000 Then the fight goes on, the dude survives.

01:54:36.000 And this was like right around the time I was introduced to Muay Thai by this friend of mine that I was training with that was friends with this other dude who was, even back in 1988, was taking trips over to Thailand.

01:54:48.000 And he was learning from the Thais and fighting over there. 0.98

01:54:52.000 And he would come back with these like crazy gashes on his head from getting elbowed.

01:54:57.000 But I remember that was the first time anybody had ever kicked me in the leg.

01:55:01.000 And I was like, oh my god, it's so painful.

01:55:05.000 And so this is what happens with Rick Rufus.

01:55:07.000 Rick Rufus had this dude in all kinds of trouble.

01:55:10.000 But this dude, there he is.

01:55:11.000 He's chopping at those legs and chopping at those legs.

01:55:14.000 And Rick doesn't know what to do.

01:55:15.000 And he's chopping at those legs because Rick's never fought with leg kicks before.

01:55:18.000 If he did, he never fought a guy as good as this gentleman.

01:55:21.000 So this is the fight that's really known as the fight that changed kickboxing.

01:55:28.000 It changed martial arts because people understood what a devastating weapon tie kicks to the thighs are.

01:55:35.000 He goes across the front of the thighs and this dude just starts killing his thighs. 0.66

01:55:39.000 And what's really interesting is Rick's brother, Duke Rufus, is now one of the top MMA coaches in the world.

01:55:47.000 Look at them calling timeout.

01:55:49.000 They're making them sit in the corner and they're calling timeout.

01:55:51.000 His legs are hurt.

01:55:52.000 Timeout. 0.93

01:55:54.000 Even Jamie knows how ridiculous this is.

01:55:56.000 The rules were crazy back then.

01:55:58.000 I'm getting into this fight.

01:56:00.000 I've seen this before.

01:56:02.000 I believe he gets up and I believe he keeps going and I believe the dude chops his legs again and then he's done.

01:56:08.000 But is he going to let him go?

01:56:10.000 I think they might let him go or are they stopping the fight?

01:56:13.000 Isn't this crazy?

01:56:14.000 Like, they haven't stopped the fight. 0.98

01:56:16.000 They haven't stopped the fight with leg kicks, even though he clearly got fucked up by leg kicks to the point where he was incapacitated. 0.98

01:56:22.000 But they're gonna allow him to keep fighting, which is just preposterous. 0.94

01:56:25.000 So he gets to walk it off like, alright, let's keep going.

01:56:29.000 Like, this is how weird martial arts were back then.

01:56:32.000 We didn't think...

01:56:33.000 We didn't think that those were legitimate.

01:56:35.000 Look at this guy just chopping at those legs, man.

01:56:38.000 Beautiful Thai technique.

01:56:39.000 Just so classic with the stance.

01:56:41.000 He's got the hands way up high over his forehead with that stepping motion.

01:56:47.000 So anyway, keep it going.

01:56:48.000 Because they keep going.

01:56:50.000 Oh, man.

01:56:50.000 It makes it into the second round.

01:56:53.000 You know what this fight reminds me of?

01:56:54.000 It reminds me of the Muir Marias, man.

01:56:56.000 Yeah, in a lot of ways.

01:56:58.000 Except the chopping down in this case worked.

01:57:01.000 So Rick is really incapacitated by this point.

01:57:04.000 And look, he just got chopped across the leg again.

01:57:07.000 That's only the third round.

01:57:08.000 Look at that again.

01:57:09.000 Boom and boom and boom. 0.71

01:57:12.000 So what's interesting is that Duke Rufus was in his corner, and Duke was like 19 at the time.

01:57:17.000 He's a baby-faced Duke Rufus, who now is one of the best MMA trainers in the world.

01:57:21.000 And Duke was saying, oh, I just don't think it takes that much talent to kick someone in the legs.

01:57:25.000 And he became one of the best coaches and a world champion himself at Muay Thai.

01:57:30.000 Like, no, this is how...

01:57:31.000 And this is not to knock...

01:57:33.000 Dick or knock Rick Rufus or Duke Rufus, they're both awesome.

01:57:38.000 This is just to say this was where martial arts was in 1988. We really just didn't know.

01:57:43.000 There was a developmental period where we just didn't know.

01:57:47.000 And see, Rick is just still, they're still going to let him fight.

01:57:50.000 Those are hard kicks too, man.

01:57:51.000 Oh my god.

01:57:52.000 I mean, even though they're stopping it like that, those are hard kicks and he's still... 1.00

01:57:55.000 He's still fucked. 1.00

01:57:56.000 He's gonna be fucked for weeks, right? 1.00

01:57:58.000 I mean, look, he could barely walk and they're gonna let him keep going. 1.00

01:58:02.000 Give it a little forward head.

01:58:04.000 What is he gonna say to him?

01:58:05.000 Oh, he's warning him you threw him to the ground.

01:58:09.000 Okay, so they tell him you can't dump, which is hilarious, because he's destroying his legs, is what he's doing.

01:58:15.000 So they got him in the corner.

01:58:16.000 Look at some of this.

01:58:17.000 This is the end of the fight.

01:58:18.000 The end of the fight was ruthless. 0.97

01:58:19.000 And you gotta think, Rick Rufus is so goddamn tough. 0.96

01:58:23.000 He's so goddamn tough to just have endured this. 0.97

01:58:25.000 Because he doesn't know how to check it. 0.95

01:58:27.000 He's just taking them all.

01:58:30.000 Like, there.

01:58:31.000 Like, boom.

01:58:31.000 And that was it.

01:58:33.000 That last one?

01:58:34.000 Dude.

01:58:36.000 High, high shin bone across the thigh.

01:58:39.000 And I think that's the end of the fight, if I remember correctly.

01:58:43.000 Yeah, that's it.

01:58:45.000 This is another one?

01:58:46.000 Oh my god, they let him get back up.

01:58:48.000 They dusted him off. 0.99

01:58:51.000 He's still just getting fucking... 0.99

01:58:52.000 It's all leg kicks, man. 0.99

01:58:54.000 It's crazy.

01:58:54.000 I'm surprised he's...

01:58:56.000 Dude, he's taking a lot of pain, man.

01:58:58.000 Do you imagine how horrible this must have been to him?

01:59:01.000 That was the end that we did before.

01:59:04.000 Yeah, that's the end.

01:59:05.000 Is that the end of the fight or does it keep going?

01:59:06.000 Oh, it is the end.

01:59:07.000 Oh, because it just replays all the other stuff?

01:59:09.000 Yeah.

01:59:10.000 I'm pretty sure that was the end.

01:59:11.000 We were watching the same round three times.

01:59:12.000 I don't know.

01:59:13.000 No, I think it went three rounds, if I remember correctly.

01:59:17.000 But it was just a horrific example of how this is the development of martial arts, right?

01:59:23.000 I mean, this is like one of the steps on the way to the UFC is that we had to realize about leg kicks.

01:59:28.000 Mm-hmm.

01:59:30.000 It's a ruthless fight to watch.

01:59:31.000 He looks like he's in super pain.

01:59:33.000 Oh my god, dude.

01:59:34.000 Well, you remember that one cat that fought in the UFC that almost lost his leg due to compartment syndrome?

01:59:39.000 Did you ever see that scar?

01:59:40.000 No.

01:59:41.000 You wanna freak out?

01:59:42.000 Maybe rethink a comeback.

01:59:44.000 I'm gonna show you something.

01:59:45.000 This dude had compartment syndrome in his thigh.

01:59:49.000 Sorry, I'm blanking on his name.

01:59:50.000 Austin Hubbard. 1.00

01:59:51.000 Austin Hubbard, who's a tough motherfucker. 0.99

01:59:53.000 That's him. 0.99

01:59:54.000 And they cut him from his ankle all the way up to the top of his thigh.

02:00:03.000 Yeah, you're freaking out?

02:00:04.000 Well, I'm trying to find a good... 0.99

02:00:05.000 They're all disgusting. 0.84

02:00:08.000 People have photoshopped it. 0.97

02:00:10.000 Oh.

02:00:12.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:00:13.000 They made it like a subway sandwich and shit. 1.00

02:00:15.000 That's his leg. 1.00

02:00:17.000 Look at that.

02:00:19.000 What is that?

02:00:20.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:00:20.000 What is that?

02:00:21.000 That's his fucking leg. 1.00

02:00:22.000 His leg is so, it was so swollen and destroyed and the tissue was so fucked up. 1.00

02:00:28.000 That big thing on the tube is a drain to drain all the swelling and the fluid. 0.95

02:00:33.000 So they had to open up his leg.

02:00:35.000 I mean, it's one of the biggest scars I've ever seen.

02:00:36.000 It goes all the way down to his knee.

02:00:39.000 Like from the top of his hip all the way down to his knee and they had to open his leg up because after the fight his leg was just destroyed.

02:00:47.000 Look at that.

02:00:48.000 Who's that?

02:00:49.000 I don't know.

02:00:49.000 I thought that might have been it because it's coming up.

02:00:51.000 I don't think so.

02:00:52.000 That guy's got Everlast shorts on.

02:00:53.000 I don't think that's the same cat.

02:00:56.000 I don't know.

02:00:57.000 There's a lot of those dudes from Muay Thai fights afterwards.

02:01:00.000 They have giant swollen legs.

02:01:02.000 But that was definitely his leg.

02:01:04.000 Because John Anik showed it to me in between fights.

02:01:07.000 And he's like, have you seen Hubbard's injury?

02:01:09.000 And I'm like, oh, I heard about it.

02:01:11.000 He's like, no, no, no.

02:01:12.000 You gotta see it.

02:01:12.000 Look, look.

02:01:13.000 That's what it looked like.

02:01:14.000 Look at the size of that scar, man.

02:01:16.000 And look at the blackness of all the tissue.

02:01:18.000 Like, it's all rotting.

02:01:19.000 And it's all destroyed from shins. 1.00

02:01:22.000 Bro, that's terrifying. 1.00

02:01:25.000 That fucking shit is terrifying. 1.00

02:01:27.000 And that is what Rick Rufus went through. 1.00

02:01:30.000 Just got his legs destroyed.

02:01:32.000 I think I'm gonna stay retired.

02:01:36.000 I forget, what were we- It's like a sub.

02:01:39.000 Yeah, it did.

02:01:40.000 Yeah, it looked like some pulled pork.

02:01:43.000 Pastramia.

02:01:45.000 What were we just talking about when we brought that up?

02:01:48.000 No, what was next?

02:01:49.000 No, we're just talking about that.

02:01:51.000 Career.

02:01:51.000 And you were talking about possibly boxing.

02:01:53.000 Yeah, possibly Ryan Garcia, man.

02:01:55.000 That's just for a giant payday?

02:01:57.000 Yeah.

02:01:59.000 Yeah.

02:01:59.000 Obviously, to win, obviously to fight, to challenge yourself.

02:02:02.000 The boxers don't get as crazy as we do.

02:02:05.000 You know what I mean?

02:02:05.000 They don't get crazy heavy.

02:02:07.000 But I'm walking around 150, so if we do fight, it'll probably be at 35. Which is good.

02:02:13.000 I think McGregor...

02:02:16.000 I think McGregor's done it with Mayweather.

02:02:18.000 I think if Ryan wants to do it, then I think it's...

02:02:21.000 How much time would you need to prepare for something like that?

02:02:24.000 Probably about two to three months.

02:02:26.000 About three months.

02:02:27.000 Three months?

02:02:28.000 Yeah.

02:02:28.000 I would like three months at least.

02:02:30.000 How much on a regular basis is boxing a part of your workout?

02:02:33.000 I know that you did a lot of amateur boxing right out of your Olympic career.

02:02:38.000 You went right into amateur boxing.

02:02:39.000 You did that for how long?

02:02:40.000 I did that for three years.

02:02:43.000 And that was thinking about trying to make the Olympic team again.

02:02:46.000 Now, once you went back to MMA training, how boxing-focused is your MMA training?

02:02:52.000 It's a lot, but it's also different.

02:02:53.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:02:54.000 So now it's just...

02:02:55.000 I don't even call it Muay Thai or boxing.

02:02:57.000 It's just MMA. You know what I'm saying?

02:03:00.000 Because the distance, everything's just different.

02:03:02.000 And then you've got to do it according to your style, man.

02:03:05.000 According to what you feel comfortable throwing.

02:03:08.000 So all of your workouts are MMA? They're all.

02:03:12.000 I'm cutting all the bullshit out, man. 0.99

02:03:14.000 I think when you get to that level where, okay, man, a two-hour striking class is just too much. 0.99

02:03:18.000 Right.

02:03:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:03:20.000 A two-hour jiu-jitsu class, that's not MMA-based, it's not good, and it would be too much.

02:03:25.000 What about when you're done with a fight?

02:03:28.000 When you're done with a fight, in between fights, do you work out just to stay fit?

02:03:34.000 Do you work out for fun?

02:03:35.000 Do you go and do like a jiu-jitsu class with a gi on or anything like that?

02:03:39.000 Or do you stick to sport-specific workouts even in between fights?

02:03:43.000 Yeah, even in between fights.

02:03:44.000 Or I could return depending on the art that I really got to develop so I could go back to just a two-hour class in boxing or an hour and a half of boxing, an hour of just pure wrestling.

02:03:54.000 So you have the ability to do that, but there comes a time where you just gotta get in, maybe within eight to nine weeks, okay, you gotta transition.

02:04:01.000 Everything's just MMA specific and then having your partner.

02:04:05.000 Jose Aldo had a different style than Dominic.

02:04:07.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:04:08.000 And I was able to understand Dominic because he was a last-minute replacement the last four weeks.

02:04:15.000 And how much time do you spend and how much effort do you spend weeding out sparring partners and getting the right ones?

02:04:23.000 And how important is that for a camp?

02:04:25.000 That's my coach's job.

02:04:27.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:04:28.000 That's for him to call and to see the people that we know and trust and all that.

02:04:34.000 Right.

02:04:35.000 And the other thing is, it's hard what I do.

02:04:37.000 I mean, I got a guy alternating like every round.

02:04:40.000 I'm doing a five round fight and I got a fresh dude in every round when I'm going hard.

02:04:44.000 Right.

02:04:45.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:04:45.000 So a lot of like the practices that I'm doing, like I'm really investing in what I'm doing in sparring.

02:04:50.000 Do these guys know you already?

02:04:52.000 I mean, have you trained with them previously when they make it to a camp, or this is the first time you've ever trained with them?

02:04:56.000 Yes, the first time you've ever trained with them.

02:04:58.000 So it becomes a very, it's a relationship, but it talks to a very business-like, you know what I'm saying?

02:05:02.000 It's like, hey man, you're so focused and you'll be compensated to do such and such, you know what I'm saying?

02:05:07.000 And when you say that, like say if you're fighting someone who has like an unusual southpaw style, they have to, when they spar with you, they should be sparring from a southpaw style.

02:05:15.000 Yeah, southpaw style and always, even from the height, like I don't, when I fought Dominic, everybody had to be exactly Dominic's size.

02:05:22.000 And they had to be able to move like him or try to move like him the best as possible.

02:05:26.000 So I'm not sparring with the guys about my size.

02:05:28.000 Right, right.

02:05:29.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:05:30.000 Yeah.

02:05:30.000 So it depends on who you're fighting to.

02:05:32.000 How hard is it to get a guy to mimic Dominic Cruz?

02:05:37.000 Actually, they're out there, man.

02:05:39.000 There's a lot of guys that grew up watching Dominic fight.

02:05:41.000 There's a couple guys at our gym that moves just like Dominic.

02:05:47.000 So with his whole art, they studied him.

02:05:50.000 They were able to develop certain things.

02:05:53.000 They're the ones that were telling me, don't even go for this.

02:05:56.000 Smoke bomb the hands, take the legs off. 1.00

02:05:57.000 Smoke bomb the hands, take the legs off. 1.00

02:06:00.000 Something that I saw from this whole COVID thing, from finding an empty arena is...

02:06:06.000 Our corner, we were prepared.

02:06:07.000 Check this out, Joe.

02:06:08.000 This is how prepared we are.

02:06:09.000 We're even prepared to the point where we're using cold words.

02:06:12.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:06:13.000 So every time I heard spaghetti, take the legs out.

02:06:16.000 Pumpkin, you know, let's start going up top.

02:06:18.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:06:19.000 Potatoes, it's sticking the bodies. 1.00

02:06:21.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:06:22.000 I could hear clearly what Dominic's corner was saying during the fight.

02:06:26.000 They're like, left high kick!

02:06:28.000 I could hear it, man.

02:06:30.000 So it made me understand that maybe the sport of fighting, maybe it's just you fighting.

02:06:35.000 But when you're able to study, just like even your surroundings, you understand, dude, this is a team sport, man.

02:06:41.000 Was that weird that you could hear the coaches so loudly?

02:06:44.000 It was fun.

02:06:45.000 It was fun.

02:06:46.000 It was fun, man.

02:06:49.000 I don't know how the other people...

02:06:50.000 I've been fighting with tons of people in the crowd.

02:06:53.000 It was fun to just hear the corners, man.

02:06:55.000 It was a treat for me.

02:06:56.000 Was it weird that that was going to be your last fight?

02:06:58.000 At least you've experienced it once, right?

02:07:01.000 To do it that way.

02:07:02.000 I think that's why I liked it.

02:07:03.000 It was so personable, man.

02:07:05.000 I know every detail in the UFC, from the security guard to Heidi.

02:07:09.000 I had a relationship with these people, with Jeff Nowitzki.

02:07:12.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:07:13.000 Without having to take a picture or a fan wants to see you, I'm giving back to the people that have been here the last, I don't know, what, five, six years?

02:07:20.000 Was it more or less relaxed when there's no audience?

02:07:23.000 More relaxed.

02:07:24.000 Way more relaxed.

02:07:26.000 Seems like it would be.

02:07:28.000 Look at the fights, man.

02:07:28.000 Look at this card, man.

02:07:29.000 You think the fights would be like that if there was a big crowd?

02:07:33.000 Like, people were into their groove, man, whether you're winning or losing.

02:07:36.000 Maybe it would have.

02:07:37.000 Well, there's also the factor of the smaller octagon.

02:07:40.000 What do you think about that?

02:07:40.000 They're using for the apex center the 25-foot octagon.

02:07:44.000 I love it.

02:07:45.000 Yeah.

02:07:45.000 Yeah, I think it's...

02:07:46.000 You want to see blood, Joe?

02:07:47.000 No, it's not that I want to see blood.

02:07:48.000 I want to see exchanges.

02:07:50.000 I feel like you can still move in a 25-foot octagon. 0.97

02:07:53.000 You can still get away from shit, but you shouldn't be able to get away from everything all the time. 0.94

02:07:57.000 Like, the bigger the octagon, the more it comes to... 0.98

02:08:00.000 If you're going to use an octagon at all...

02:08:02.000 I think the smaller one's better.

02:08:04.000 My feeling is you shouldn't use anything.

02:08:06.000 My feeling is it should be in a football field. 0.99

02:08:08.000 Mad up a fucking football field. 1.00

02:08:11.000 I'm for real. 1.00

02:08:12.000 I'm not joking.

02:08:13.000 I've said this a million times.

02:08:14.000 Just let them go up the stairs.

02:08:16.000 Well, where there's no obstacles, no wall to press someone up against.

02:08:21.000 If someone gets up, they have to get up on their own.

02:08:23.000 They have to be flat on their back in the middle of nowhere, and they can't use the wall to get up.

02:08:27.000 I feel like there's a factor, and I don't think it's a good or a bad thing, but there is a recognizable factor that the cage provides.

02:08:33.000 The good thing, if you wanted to say a good thing, the smaller cage is better because they can't go anywhere.

02:08:38.000 The bad thing that there's a cage at all and that it does get in the way, it does become a thing.

02:08:43.000 Like when someone's clinching you against the cage and kneeing you, your back is against the cage.

02:08:47.000 There's a barrier.

02:08:48.000 You're stuck.

02:08:49.000 I feel like...

02:08:51.000 It would be better if there wasn't a thing that someone could press you against that would be good for their advance.

02:08:58.000 Do you know what I'm saying?

02:08:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:08:59.000 No, I hear you, but it's almost like the Kumite.

02:09:02.000 Yeah.

02:09:03.000 You know, obviously, but bigger.

02:09:05.000 Yeah, bigger.

02:09:05.000 Just a big, open, like, basketball-sized court.

02:09:08.000 Put some crocodiles out.

02:09:10.000 No!

02:09:12.000 No, just have it— Make it real right, a big wave on the other side.

02:09:15.000 And I could argue that—look, it's a dumb argument, because I also think that it's better to have a 25-foot octagon than it is to have a 30-foot octagon.

02:09:23.000 I think it's better to have it smaller so you can't get away.

02:09:26.000 If you're going to have a thing where someone can press someone against it, I think it should be smaller. 0.99

02:09:31.000 But I'm a moron. 0.99

02:09:32.000 You don't have to listen to me. 1.00

02:09:33.000 Yeah, no.

02:09:34.000 I get you.

02:09:36.000 If you're fighting in the woods sometimes, it's more practical.

02:09:41.000 Would you prefer the larger octagon that you've fought in in Jacksonville or the smaller one like the Apex Center for your style?

02:09:48.000 As a wrestler, if I'm going to wrestle, it's going to be the smaller one.

02:09:51.000 I fought in both.

02:09:51.000 If I was a striker, if I was somebody like...

02:09:56.000 Just one of the strikers, a good striker, maybe Sean, maybe O'Malley, I would need a bigger cage.

02:10:01.000 Because the wrestler's out there to cut distance. 0.90

02:10:03.000 If you know how to use a cage, it's a powerful tool.

02:10:08.000 What do you think about the possibility of becoming a coach?

02:10:11.000 Is that something you really consider?

02:10:12.000 Because you were kind of talking about the heartbreaks of it.

02:10:15.000 I think you would be an amazing coach.

02:10:18.000 Yeah, but maybe to a certain extent, man.

02:10:21.000 Maybe to the right people.

02:10:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:10:23.000 It's hard, Joe.

02:10:24.000 It's hard, man.

02:10:25.000 This is why, because there's some people, you know, we talked about heart and ability today.

02:10:28.000 It's like there's some people that have a lot of heart, but their ability is just like, dude, when are you going to get it?

02:10:32.000 Right, right.

02:10:33.000 Or vice versa, so...

02:10:35.000 I think because I know what it takes and if I don't see that from a certain person, then I can't be a part of it.

02:10:40.000 Let me put this in your head.

02:10:42.000 Think about this team that you put together.

02:10:44.000 Think about this scientific approach that you guys put together for formulating your camps, whether from nutrition and training and recovery and all that stuff.

02:10:52.000 Now imagine doing the same sort of work with bringing you disciples.

02:10:58.000 Someone who puts the same amount of effort into finding fighters that are worthy of your kind of coaching. 0.99

02:11:05.000 You could develop a fucking empire. 0.99

02:11:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:11:08.000 Yeah, maybe.

02:11:08.000 Maybe.

02:11:09.000 Come on, son.

02:11:10.000 Maybe, but it's not...

02:11:10.000 I want to get into real estate, man.

02:11:12.000 I want to do...

02:11:13.000 Do you?

02:11:13.000 Yeah, I want to do that.

02:11:15.000 I want to do...

02:11:16.000 You want to get paid.

02:11:16.000 I want to get paid, man.

02:11:17.000 I get it.

02:11:18.000 I love freedom, Joe, more than anything, man.

02:11:20.000 I've competed my whole life from age 11 to...

02:11:22.000 Joe, I have over like 600, maybe 700 wrestling matches.

02:11:26.000 Competitions, man.

02:11:27.000 Boxing, wrestling.

02:11:29.000 From age 11 to 33, that's all I've ever done.

02:11:31.000 That's all I've ever known was competition.

02:11:33.000 You're done.

02:11:34.000 To compete.

02:11:35.000 I'm done, Joe.

02:11:37.000 Unless that Ryan Garcia or maybe the Volkanovski, but even then, if it doesn't happen or whatever, it's okay, man.

02:11:43.000 I'm happy.

02:11:44.000 Whatever happens, man, what you've accomplished so far has been truly spectacular.

02:11:48.000 And I really believe that you could do anything you want.

02:11:51.000 Whatever it is, whether you decide to focus on real estate or anything, a man who can do what you've done can do anything.

02:11:57.000 And I think it's one of the best lessons of martial arts.

02:12:01.000 The amount of power that you have to have in your mind to push your body to do what you've done.

02:12:08.000 To push your will to get those workouts in and to compete when it's game day.

02:12:14.000 You've done that.

02:12:15.000 You've overcome the balance.

02:12:17.000 And you're getting out while you're still fresh.

02:12:19.000 You're a young man.

02:12:21.000 What are you, 33?

02:12:22.000 33? 1.00

02:12:22.000 That ain't shit! 1.00

02:12:24.000 You're a young man. 0.99

02:12:25.000 You have all this energy, man.

02:12:27.000 I got some hairs on my...

02:12:28.000 I got some grays on my...

02:12:30.000 You've had a very strenuous life.

02:12:33.000 I mean, you know, very few people have put their body to the kind of strain that you have in all those 33 years, but you can do anything, man.

02:12:39.000 Anything.

02:12:40.000 Whatever you want.

02:12:40.000 And you get out with your wits intact.

02:12:42.000 Yeah, no, thank you, Joe.

02:12:44.000 Thank you for...

02:12:44.000 Man, thank you for everything, man.

02:12:46.000 This was a fun time.

02:12:48.000 My pleasure.

02:12:49.000 Getting a chance to share my knowledge and obviously getting a chance to hear your knowledge and...

02:12:53.000 It's been a good time.

02:12:54.000 Can you mind if I give a couple thank yous here?

02:12:57.000 Yeah, please.

02:12:57.000 I want to give a special thank you to my new sponsor, Smart Cups.

02:13:02.000 That was just your friend who owns Smart Cups?

02:13:05.000 Yeah, Chris Connect.

02:13:07.000 He just showed me a video of what it is.

02:13:10.000 Can we say it?

02:13:11.000 Yeah, go ahead.

02:13:13.000 You want to explain it, Joe?

02:13:14.000 They figured out a way to have a 3D print.

02:13:18.000 Nutrients and flavor into cups.

02:13:20.000 So you take the cup. 1.00

02:13:21.000 It's the craziest shit I've ever seen. 1.00

02:13:23.000 There's a cup. 1.00

02:13:24.000 You buy like a box of cups, take the cup, you pour the water in the cup, and it turns into this electrolyte drink.

02:13:29.000 Because the 3D printing of all the stuff is actually on the surface of the cup. 0.97

02:13:35.000 It's pretty fucking badass. 0.68

02:13:36.000 Yeah, it's a trip. 0.82

02:13:37.000 So let's say, like, I'll give you an example.

02:13:38.000 Let's say, you know, you go to a ballpark and you want a lime.

02:13:42.000 Like, the ballpark's for 50,000 people.

02:13:44.000 It's the world champion.

02:13:45.000 They're going to have a bunch of limes like that, dude. 0.99

02:13:47.000 It's expensive.

02:13:48.000 And there's, like, a fee.

02:13:49.000 That's what it looks like, folks.

02:13:50.000 So that's the 3D printing flavor and nutrition that's in these cups.

02:13:54.000 And they pour that stuff in there.

02:13:55.000 So, for instance, that picture right there, like, if you like your beer with lime, like, that would have printed, like, actual lime.

02:14:01.000 Yeah.

02:14:01.000 So you could have a cup that was a lime cup.

02:14:04.000 You pour your beer into the, like you say, if you have a Corona, you pour it into the lime cup and you get that lime flavor in your beer.

02:14:11.000 No, but check this out too.

02:14:11.000 Sometimes you don't even need alcohol.

02:14:13.000 You just need water because there's already like...

02:14:15.000 Alcohol in there?

02:14:16.000 Yeah.

02:14:16.000 What?

02:14:17.000 Yeah.

02:14:18.000 You just need water.

02:14:19.000 It turns into beer.

02:14:20.000 Really?

02:14:20.000 There's a mad scientist next to you.

02:14:22.000 Is that real?

02:14:23.000 Yeah.

02:14:23.000 That's crazy.

02:14:25.000 That's crazy.

02:14:26.000 So it's a trip.

02:14:27.000 Well, listen, brother, I've said it before, but I really mean it.

02:14:29.000 It's an honor to call your fights.

02:14:31.000 One of the coolest things about being a fan of the UFC and then being able to be a commentator is, like, I know I've experienced history.

02:14:39.000 You know, I've been there and I've, you know, I've had this incredible...

02:14:45.000 Where I get to talk during some of the greatest fights of all time and try to do justice to those fights and try to let people know how insanely impressive some of these performances that you've accomplished have been to me as a person who's been watching fights my whole life.

02:15:02.000 So as a fan and as a person who gets to do it professionally, it's been an honor.

02:15:07.000 For real.

02:15:07.000 Thank you, Joe.

02:15:08.000 Thank you, Joe.

02:15:09.000 That means a lot to me.

02:15:10.000 That means a lot to me.

02:15:11.000 Thank you for giving me the platform.

02:15:13.000 Like, I haven't really, you know, shared a lot of things that I've shared today, and there's no other platform here than the Joe Rogan Show.

02:15:20.000 I'm honored, brother.

02:15:21.000 Thank you so much for being here.

02:15:23.000 Thanks to everybody for listening.

02:15:24.000 Henry Cejudo, it's over, baby!

02:15:26.000 He's done with you people!

02:15:28.000 Intergender chat!

02:15:29.000 Intergender chat!

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 08, 2020

JRE MMA Show #97 with Henry Cejudo

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