The John-Henry Westen Show - May 09, 2025


Cardinal Arinze on the NEW POPE： “Pray for Courage and Faithfulness” ｜ Papal Conclave Reflections


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23 minutes

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133.38287

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3,171

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193

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

9


Summary

Cardinal Francis Rinoza is a cardinal who has served as a cardinal for more than 30 years. He is a member of the College of Cardinals, a group of cardinals responsible for the election of a new pope. In this interview, he talks about the process of choosing a new pontiff, what it means to be a cardinal, and how to prepare for such a momentous election.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 You assess, you study, you watch, you admire.
00:00:04.820 So it is that sort of thing that we do for two weeks.
00:00:09.560 Hello, my friends.
00:00:10.640 It gives me a great honor and privilege
00:00:12.760 to be with Cardinal Francis Rinzai.
00:00:16.520 His Eminence has graciously allowed us to interview him
00:00:19.460 during these days of the lead-up to the conclave,
00:00:24.060 the historic conclave for the time of the election
00:00:28.100 of a new pope.
00:00:30.360 And Cardinal Rinzai is now 92 years old,
00:00:33.660 so he's not taking part in the conclave proper,
00:00:36.320 but he's part of what's called the general congregations
00:00:39.700 that are the meetings of cardinals
00:00:41.380 that happen before a conclave starts.
00:00:44.640 And they're pretty grueling schedules,
00:00:46.640 so we're really grateful to your Eminence
00:00:49.220 for allowing us this interview,
00:00:51.360 and we pray for your strength.
00:00:53.580 Thank you. God bless and guide you.
00:00:56.420 Amen, amen.
00:00:57.640 We always start with the sign of the cross.
00:00:59.700 Would you lead us in that?
00:01:01.260 In the name of the Father, and of the Son,
00:01:04.800 and of the Holy Spirit.
00:01:06.460 Amen.
00:01:07.500 We beg you, O Lord, to direct us in all our thoughts
00:01:11.140 and words and actions that they may begin with your help,
00:01:17.000 continue with that grace,
00:01:19.280 and be brought to a happy end by your own helping hand.
00:01:25.360 Through Christ our Lord.
00:01:27.300 Amen.
00:01:27.840 It is right now in the church a time of great prayer,
00:01:34.440 as much prayer in all eyes,
00:01:36.360 even non-Catholics, Christians from all over the world,
00:01:39.120 are kind of focused on Rome to see the election of a new Holy Father.
00:01:44.220 You have yourself participated in one conclave before,
00:01:48.020 but it wasn't even the last one,
00:01:49.640 because you were already over 80 at that time.
00:01:51.780 Your experience of the conclave from the inside,
00:01:57.380 in terms of what you can talk about,
00:02:00.140 tell us about that.
00:02:01.740 People can just imagine what it means
00:02:04.940 if a person sees that his vote is one of the maybe 120
00:02:12.400 that would eventually influence the choice
00:02:18.560 of a new leader of the Catholic Church.
00:02:21.120 So it is important.
00:02:22.920 It is.
00:02:23.400 And you have your own memory
00:02:26.920 that you carry with you from that time,
00:02:29.840 and therefore encourage your brothers
00:02:32.260 in the college right now who are going in.
00:02:36.620 I know you can't say exactly,
00:02:38.520 but what do you encourage them to do
00:02:41.160 in terms of prayer,
00:02:42.500 in terms of listening to the Holy Spirit?
00:02:45.040 I think a lot of people find it challenging
00:02:46.960 to listen to the Holy Spirit.
00:02:49.020 As you know,
00:02:50.300 God is the primary cause of anything good.
00:02:56.460 But God has also allowed human beings
00:03:00.760 to be secondary causes.
00:03:03.180 God could have made a table,
00:03:06.220 a bicycle, a 747 aircraft.
00:03:09.900 God could have made also a breakfast.
00:03:14.440 But He prefers to leave us creatures
00:03:17.820 the intelligence, the capacity,
00:03:21.120 and the material to work on.
00:03:23.880 We call these secondary causes,
00:03:26.460 philosophically speaking.
00:03:28.420 And God is the primary cause
00:03:29.960 because without God,
00:03:31.700 not only would we not be able to do anything,
00:03:35.180 we would not be at all.
00:03:36.960 We would not even exist.
00:03:38.120 So, to be associated with the process
00:03:43.580 of finding a new Pope is important.
00:03:47.900 And it is taken seriously.
00:03:49.840 You can see how the Catholic Church arranges
00:03:52.100 that before those maybe 120, 130 people
00:03:57.880 go into a locked-up chapel,
00:04:01.540 six times in the Vatican.
00:04:02.960 Before that, about two weeks,
00:04:05.840 between the death of the Pope
00:04:07.880 and that event,
00:04:10.320 there will be cardinals who sit each day
00:04:13.000 to reflect on what do we consider
00:04:18.520 important for the person
00:04:21.720 who is elected to know,
00:04:23.500 to do or not to do.
00:04:25.540 What is our own assessment
00:04:29.460 of the state of the Catholic Church
00:04:32.000 today and tomorrow?
00:04:35.400 The things we would desire,
00:04:37.440 the things we would regard as obstacles,
00:04:40.520 the things we would regard as promotional.
00:04:43.800 So, it is all this type of thing
00:04:45.480 that we discussed this week.
00:04:47.480 If you look at it from that point of view,
00:04:50.000 for anybody who loves the Church,
00:04:52.060 it becomes important.
00:04:53.180 And these issues, they pertain,
00:04:56.060 I would think,
00:04:57.120 mostly to the issues of the faith,
00:05:00.100 but then also to the issues
00:05:01.760 of what's going on in the world
00:05:02.980 with wars and things like that.
00:05:04.820 Because there's a lot of persecution everywhere.
00:05:06.960 I know in your own homeland,
00:05:09.240 there is this.
00:05:10.360 Does that figure into the discussion as well
00:05:12.740 in terms of,
00:05:13.700 is it a global outlook
00:05:15.080 as well as a spiritual outlook?
00:05:17.800 Pope Pius XI said,
00:05:19.440 men must look for the peace of Christ
00:05:22.720 in the kingdom of Christ.
00:05:24.880 And he urged that the faithful
00:05:26.140 give public honor to Christ the King
00:05:28.060 so that individuals and states
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00:05:47.200 Every speaker had freedom
00:05:52.560 to highlight the dimension
00:05:56.460 in church life or society life
00:05:59.320 that the person thinks important,
00:06:03.420 hoping that the future hope
00:06:06.060 would be present during the discussion.
00:06:10.140 So that part of it,
00:06:12.660 you can imagine.
00:06:14.100 If you were part of it,
00:06:15.560 I'm sure you would have
00:06:17.060 some suggestions to make.
00:06:18.940 You know, you assess,
00:06:20.960 you study, you watch,
00:06:23.540 you admire,
00:06:24.740 or you lament
00:06:26.200 some happenings in society.
00:06:28.880 Some are really very good.
00:06:31.060 Some are not so good.
00:06:32.800 And some are really negative.
00:06:35.120 So it is that sort of thing
00:06:36.480 that we do for one week,
00:06:38.360 for two weeks, indeed.
00:06:41.200 It helps.
00:06:42.340 One of the things,
00:06:43.700 in your particular case,
00:06:45.540 you were elected as a bishop,
00:06:47.560 I think,
00:06:47.960 at only 32 years old.
00:06:49.800 Yes.
00:06:50.660 That's something.
00:06:52.160 So you've spent so much,
00:06:54.560 the vast majority of your life,
00:06:57.680 as a successor of the apostles.
00:07:01.320 What is that,
00:07:02.360 as you reflect back now,
00:07:03.880 because now you've reached a point
00:07:05.420 where you're beyond
00:07:07.560 two-thirds of your life
00:07:09.080 as a successor to the apostles,
00:07:10.960 as a shepherd.
00:07:12.600 What's your thoughts,
00:07:13.740 at this point,
00:07:14.380 about your life that way?
00:07:15.480 The Lord God has given me
00:07:18.120 92 years of life on this earth.
00:07:22.120 Good health is partly
00:07:25.040 so God made that person,
00:07:29.100 and partly so the doctors
00:07:31.340 and that person made that person
00:07:33.240 to be exactly like that.
00:07:35.340 Many things go into that.
00:07:36.940 And looking back,
00:07:39.460 I have only reason to thank God
00:07:42.580 and to say,
00:07:44.360 I should have behaved better than that.
00:07:47.220 Because anybody who thinks
00:07:49.360 that he or she performed best
00:07:52.440 and never made a mistake
00:07:53.800 would not be taken seriously.
00:07:56.280 One of the things that many,
00:07:58.280 I used to think a lot about,
00:08:00.480 is reaching an older age.
00:08:03.340 You'd think to yourself,
00:08:05.420 oh boy,
00:08:05.840 I better get to confession more.
00:08:07.300 But what is your life like?
00:08:09.620 Is those thoughts,
00:08:11.180 because when you approach an age
00:08:13.060 where you know the Lord is going,
00:08:14.780 you're going to meet the Lord soon,
00:08:16.500 does that increase your fervor
00:08:18.340 or want to get closer to him?
00:08:21.640 We expect a person
00:08:23.600 who comes towards the evening of life,
00:08:26.880 if I may use that expression,
00:08:28.500 to be aware
00:08:31.500 that the lifespan
00:08:33.740 will come to an end.
00:08:37.040 And for him,
00:08:37.700 sooner than for most people.
00:08:39.840 Granted,
00:08:40.620 death sometimes takes
00:08:42.680 a younger person.
00:08:44.560 But in general,
00:08:46.100 if a person is 92 years old,
00:08:48.780 that person should expect death
00:08:50.500 not very far away.
00:08:52.580 So that's normal.
00:08:54.260 It is easy to say.
00:08:55.620 It's not so easy
00:08:57.200 to act accordingly.
00:08:59.260 But it helps.
00:09:01.260 When one has reflected over years,
00:09:04.420 then what do you expect,
00:09:07.580 what do you assess as important?
00:09:10.620 And what is it you assess
00:09:12.380 as not very important,
00:09:14.320 not necessary to lament
00:09:16.340 and grieve over that?
00:09:18.700 So a person who has more years
00:09:21.320 is expected to have
00:09:22.680 a little more common sense
00:09:24.060 but younger people.
00:09:25.840 There is a lot of expectation
00:09:27.920 and joy at the election
00:09:30.280 of a Holy Father.
00:09:32.900 Do you recall that in your life?
00:09:35.980 You were there also
00:09:37.580 for the election of John Paul II,
00:09:39.900 who was, I think,
00:09:41.200 for many people today
00:09:42.920 who are like me,
00:09:44.540 the Pope of their youth,
00:09:45.760 the Pope that they really remember
00:09:47.580 because he was with us
00:09:48.540 for such a long time.
00:09:49.560 And also you grew up with,
00:09:52.840 he was the Pope that I grew up with.
00:09:54.940 Do you remember the jubilation
00:09:57.200 at that time
00:09:58.080 and any of your experiences
00:10:00.240 that you can tell us about
00:10:01.360 following his election?
00:10:03.340 Pope John Paul II,
00:10:05.520 now a saint,
00:10:06.720 was elected Pope in 1978.
00:10:10.400 At that time,
00:10:11.920 I was Archbishop of Onicha
00:10:13.700 in Nigeria.
00:10:14.680 But I had met him
00:10:17.800 at meetings in Rome,
00:10:20.500 especially Synod of Bishops
00:10:22.040 1967,
00:10:24.800 1971,
00:10:27.240 I think another,
00:10:28.120 1974.
00:10:29.960 So it was with joy
00:10:32.540 that I heard
00:10:33.460 that this Archbishop of Krakow
00:10:37.080 was elected Pope
00:10:38.780 because from
00:10:40.360 what I knew of him,
00:10:43.300 his speeches
00:10:43.880 before,
00:10:46.020 I thought
00:10:46.600 this man will put
00:10:47.820 some more order
00:10:48.800 in church life.
00:10:51.140 This man
00:10:51.660 has
00:10:52.400 clear ideas
00:10:53.900 and
00:10:54.900 has
00:10:56.060 that strength
00:10:56.980 of character.
00:10:58.380 He was also young.
00:10:59.840 He was not yet
00:11:00.600 60 years old.
00:11:01.940 But I was not in Rome
00:11:03.420 at that time.
00:11:05.420 As Archbishop of Onicha,
00:11:06.860 I had
00:11:07.280 been invited
00:11:08.600 by the bishops
00:11:09.440 of Ireland
00:11:10.340 to tour
00:11:11.800 many parts of Ireland
00:11:13.200 just to speak
00:11:14.580 on missionary work
00:11:15.980 because Ireland
00:11:17.180 has been famous
00:11:18.240 for sending
00:11:19.280 missionary priests
00:11:20.640 and sisters
00:11:21.300 and brothers
00:11:22.100 to other parts
00:11:23.200 of the world.
00:11:24.620 So it was there,
00:11:26.180 indeed,
00:11:26.760 I was there
00:11:27.540 in the north of Ireland
00:11:29.080 on the day
00:11:30.120 he was announced
00:11:31.700 and elected
00:11:33.060 and announced Pope.
00:11:34.440 So I remember
00:11:35.200 it very well.
00:11:36.040 and of course
00:11:37.000 from that time
00:11:38.460 I had the opportunity
00:11:39.720 to meet him
00:11:40.480 many times
00:11:41.620 till he called me
00:11:42.960 to roam himself.
00:11:44.160 That must be
00:11:45.360 just
00:11:45.840 something
00:11:46.900 totally incredible
00:11:48.320 when you're called on.
00:11:50.260 And in your case,
00:11:51.440 interestingly too,
00:11:52.480 you have a Polish pope
00:11:53.600 calling upon
00:11:54.580 a Nigerian bishop
00:11:55.620 to come and aid him
00:11:56.780 in the Holy See.
00:11:58.460 Tell us,
00:11:58.880 what were your feelings
00:11:59.420 at the time?
00:12:01.060 Happy.
00:12:01.580 a bit of
00:12:03.640 not knowing
00:12:05.220 what will happen
00:12:06.140 next,
00:12:06.840 the future.
00:12:08.620 But he
00:12:09.660 had been
00:12:10.700 traveling
00:12:11.620 around the world.
00:12:13.580 So I think
00:12:14.460 that
00:12:14.820 when he met
00:12:16.680 some bishops,
00:12:18.140 he had the opportunity
00:12:19.460 to assess
00:12:20.580 the type
00:12:21.540 that he would
00:12:22.680 want
00:12:23.700 in one of the offices
00:12:24.780 in the Vatican.
00:12:25.900 actually
00:12:27.160 where I was
00:12:28.020 assigned
00:12:28.560 was the
00:12:29.740 Pontifical Council
00:12:31.480 for Interreligious Dialogue,
00:12:33.780 the office
00:12:34.460 of the Catholic Church
00:12:35.600 for contact
00:12:37.460 between Christians,
00:12:40.340 between Catholics
00:12:41.180 and other religions
00:12:43.520 except the Jews
00:12:45.500 because with the Jews,
00:12:47.480 with special relationship
00:12:48.620 with Judaism,
00:12:50.060 it is in a separate office
00:12:51.660 in the Vatican.
00:12:52.640 but all the others,
00:12:54.620 Islam,
00:12:56.060 Hinduism,
00:12:57.940 Buddhism,
00:12:59.400 traditional religions
00:13:00.500 like in Nigeria
00:13:01.940 or in Australia
00:13:03.220 or even in the United States
00:13:05.220 or Canada.
00:13:06.860 So,
00:13:07.440 it was wonderful
00:13:08.800 for me.
00:13:09.740 It was like
00:13:10.600 a bigger world
00:13:11.680 opened
00:13:12.440 before me
00:13:13.600 and I had
00:13:15.080 much to learn,
00:13:16.960 travels
00:13:17.380 to make,
00:13:18.740 contacts
00:13:19.220 to make,
00:13:20.840 speeches
00:13:21.160 to arrange.
00:13:23.240 One of the things
00:13:23.880 with the
00:13:24.440 interreligious dialogue,
00:13:26.020 I think
00:13:26.260 as different
00:13:28.380 from ecumenism,
00:13:29.780 it's a movement
00:13:31.680 to work together
00:13:32.620 toward peace
00:13:33.460 and world goals,
00:13:35.020 but it doesn't
00:13:36.120 preclude
00:13:36.920 evangelizing.
00:13:38.660 It doesn't preclude,
00:13:40.040 especially like
00:13:40.760 in Nigeria,
00:13:41.680 in India,
00:13:42.580 a lot of places
00:13:43.340 that right now
00:13:44.360 are,
00:13:45.020 they restrict
00:13:45.780 kind of evangelization.
00:13:47.140 They call it,
00:13:48.320 at least in India,
00:13:49.300 forced conversions,
00:13:51.540 which of course
00:13:52.000 it's not,
00:13:53.080 but
00:13:53.300 how do you
00:13:55.080 explain the difference
00:13:55.980 then between
00:13:56.500 this kind of
00:13:57.260 interreligious dialogue
00:13:58.300 but yet
00:13:59.340 the want
00:14:00.940 of the church
00:14:01.440 to bring
00:14:01.960 the truth
00:14:02.340 of Jesus Christ
00:14:02.920 to everyone?
00:14:03.880 Yes.
00:14:04.500 There are various
00:14:05.540 activities
00:14:06.180 of the church,
00:14:07.820 the same church.
00:14:09.740 You mentioned
00:14:10.740 ecumenism
00:14:11.400 in the beginning.
00:14:12.400 That would mean
00:14:13.660 contact
00:14:14.740 between Catholics
00:14:15.800 and other Christians
00:14:17.800 with a view
00:14:20.240 to return
00:14:22.160 of communities
00:14:25.560 of Christians
00:14:26.340 to unity
00:14:27.420 of church
00:14:28.760 because Christ
00:14:29.940 instituted
00:14:30.700 one church,
00:14:32.000 one pope,
00:14:33.700 but it is
00:14:35.560 human force
00:14:37.200 that caused
00:14:38.700 division
00:14:39.320 between Christians.
00:14:41.660 That's interreligious,
00:14:43.520 that's ecumenism.
00:14:45.100 totally different
00:14:47.300 is interreligious
00:14:48.700 dialogue.
00:14:50.240 Interreligious
00:14:50.880 dialogue,
00:14:51.680 that's where I
00:14:52.540 worked for
00:14:53.360 18 years,
00:14:54.760 is the Catholics
00:14:55.660 meeting people
00:14:57.740 of other religions
00:14:58.860 to listen
00:14:59.860 to them,
00:15:00.920 to try to
00:15:01.860 understand them,
00:15:03.340 to see what
00:15:04.380 we can share,
00:15:05.860 what we can do
00:15:06.860 together,
00:15:07.760 what we can say
00:15:08.840 together,
00:15:09.720 what we can make
00:15:11.000 together.
00:15:11.560 and we hope
00:15:13.200 that they also
00:15:14.460 will be willing
00:15:15.160 to understand
00:15:17.640 us more,
00:15:18.940 see what we
00:15:19.580 can do together
00:15:20.500 and what we
00:15:21.660 can build
00:15:22.160 together.
00:15:22.960 If both sides
00:15:24.120 are so inclined,
00:15:26.720 the result
00:15:27.220 will be good
00:15:27.920 for humanity.
00:15:28.960 You mentioned
00:15:30.080 evangelization.
00:15:31.540 Oh yes,
00:15:32.560 because Christ
00:15:33.680 instituted the
00:15:34.760 church to share
00:15:35.860 the good news
00:15:36.580 of salvation
00:15:37.340 in Jesus Christ
00:15:38.780 with everyone.
00:15:40.540 The church
00:15:41.000 offers this
00:15:42.480 opportunity.
00:15:43.980 The church
00:15:44.360 is meant
00:15:45.000 to offer it,
00:15:46.600 to bring it
00:15:47.480 to people,
00:15:48.780 but to propose,
00:15:51.140 not to impose,
00:15:52.860 which means
00:15:53.480 we are not
00:15:54.980 expected
00:15:55.760 to force
00:15:57.520 anyone
00:15:58.300 to become
00:15:59.220 a Christian
00:15:59.820 or to
00:16:00.900 maneuver
00:16:01.320 the person
00:16:02.060 or to
00:16:02.760 cheat
00:16:03.220 the person
00:16:03.860 or to say,
00:16:05.240 if you become
00:16:05.740 a Catholic,
00:16:06.500 I will pay
00:16:07.180 your school fees.
00:16:08.140 that would
00:16:09.100 be wrong.
00:16:09.700 We call that
00:16:10.360 proselytism.
00:16:11.780 If you become
00:16:12.580 a Catholic,
00:16:13.520 we will arrange
00:16:14.500 your promotion
00:16:15.180 in the office
00:16:16.700 where you are
00:16:17.240 working.
00:16:17.920 That would
00:16:18.560 not be proper.
00:16:20.200 But if
00:16:21.400 a person
00:16:22.380 is not
00:16:23.260 a Christian
00:16:23.800 and the
00:16:25.860 person
00:16:26.220 not only
00:16:27.160 wants to
00:16:27.680 be friendly
00:16:28.320 with me,
00:16:29.340 but is also
00:16:30.240 ready to
00:16:31.220 understand
00:16:31.960 what we
00:16:33.960 pray,
00:16:34.900 what we
00:16:35.460 Catholics
00:16:35.860 believe,
00:16:36.520 and if
00:16:37.680 the person
00:16:38.200 wants
00:16:38.740 to share
00:16:39.540 part of
00:16:40.040 it,
00:16:40.700 we do
00:16:41.380 share it
00:16:42.500 and it
00:16:43.460 becomes
00:16:43.840 our
00:16:44.140 duty.
00:16:45.700 That is
00:16:46.340 the height.
00:16:47.740 When we say
00:16:48.420 catechesis,
00:16:49.680 it is a sharing
00:16:50.840 of our faith,
00:16:52.740 what we believe,
00:16:53.900 what we do,
00:16:55.040 what we don't
00:16:55.640 do,
00:16:56.480 the code that
00:16:57.260 guides our life,
00:16:58.580 the meaning
00:16:59.160 that we see
00:17:00.400 in life.
00:17:01.020 but we
00:17:02.380 share it
00:17:03.000 freely.
00:17:04.680 We regard
00:17:05.220 therefore
00:17:05.740 freedom of
00:17:06.880 religion
00:17:07.380 as very
00:17:08.460 important,
00:17:09.520 as one of
00:17:10.180 the fundamental
00:17:10.900 rights of
00:17:12.100 a human
00:17:12.520 person.
00:17:13.280 There should
00:17:13.640 be no
00:17:14.040 force on
00:17:15.040 anyone.
00:17:16.120 It matters
00:17:16.740 religious.
00:17:18.520 So that
00:17:18.900 it doesn't
00:17:19.920 mean that
00:17:21.180 you can
00:17:22.580 believe anything
00:17:23.520 you like,
00:17:24.940 but it
00:17:25.540 means that
00:17:26.240 we shall
00:17:27.340 not use
00:17:28.080 force or
00:17:29.760 cheating to
00:17:31.260 maneuver a
00:17:32.180 person to
00:17:33.260 share our
00:17:33.960 faith.
00:17:34.720 We propose
00:17:35.480 it honestly.
00:17:37.700 If another
00:17:38.560 person accepts
00:17:39.460 it, that
00:17:40.520 is right.
00:17:41.480 In that
00:17:41.980 case, then,
00:17:42.900 we do
00:17:43.340 catechesis
00:17:44.180 and not
00:17:45.040 interreligious
00:17:46.260 dialogue.
00:17:47.440 But if
00:17:48.040 another person
00:17:48.760 says, I
00:17:49.340 am a
00:17:49.700 Muslim, I
00:17:50.820 don't want
00:17:51.500 to be a
00:17:51.960 Christian,
00:17:53.420 we Christians
00:17:54.020 should not
00:17:54.540 say, in
00:17:55.140 that case,
00:17:55.920 we have
00:17:56.400 nothing to
00:17:56.980 do with
00:17:57.440 you.
00:17:58.060 No, no,
00:17:58.400 that would
00:17:58.760 be wrong
00:17:59.180 because that
00:18:00.400 person is a
00:18:01.100 human being.
00:18:02.100 We share
00:18:02.520 human nature
00:18:03.140 together.
00:18:04.160 The same
00:18:04.660 God created
00:18:05.360 all of us.
00:18:06.740 And also,
00:18:07.640 the same
00:18:07.960 Christ died
00:18:09.100 for all of
00:18:09.860 us on
00:18:10.400 the cross,
00:18:11.300 even for
00:18:12.120 those who
00:18:12.580 don't know
00:18:13.220 about him,
00:18:14.440 or even
00:18:14.980 those who
00:18:15.520 were opposing
00:18:16.220 him or
00:18:17.060 crucifying him.
00:18:17.980 He died
00:18:18.340 for them
00:18:18.740 all.
00:18:19.620 So, in
00:18:20.220 his name,
00:18:21.300 we should
00:18:21.740 propagate this
00:18:22.680 faith.
00:18:23.760 Even when
00:18:24.700 the other
00:18:25.060 do not
00:18:25.560 understand us
00:18:26.540 or impute
00:18:28.200 improper
00:18:29.240 motives
00:18:29.840 to us.
00:18:31.980 So, you
00:18:32.520 can see
00:18:33.140 that
00:18:33.980 interreligious
00:18:35.200 contact
00:18:36.180 is for
00:18:37.980 promotion
00:18:38.500 of working
00:18:40.040 together.
00:18:41.100 Depending on
00:18:41.780 the reaction
00:18:42.500 of the
00:18:42.920 individuals,
00:18:44.000 if the
00:18:44.360 other person
00:18:45.080 thereby
00:18:46.040 understands
00:18:46.900 us more
00:18:47.540 and now
00:18:48.500 decides to
00:18:51.000 share our
00:18:52.140 faith,
00:18:52.800 we are happy
00:18:53.360 about it,
00:18:54.080 of course.
00:18:54.600 Protecting
00:18:56.520 your money
00:18:56.860 doesn't have
00:18:57.360 to be
00:18:57.640 complicated.
00:18:58.520 With stocks,
00:18:59.320 bonds,
00:18:59.680 and crypto,
00:19:00.340 it's easy
00:19:00.900 to feel
00:19:01.380 lost.
00:19:02.120 The gold
00:19:02.500 and silver
00:19:02.920 have been
00:19:03.280 trusted for
00:19:03.940 centuries as
00:19:04.600 a simple,
00:19:05.580 stable store
00:19:06.220 of value
00:19:06.680 in uncertain
00:19:07.320 times.
00:19:08.380 If you
00:19:08.600 had invested
00:19:09.060 $35,000 in
00:19:10.600 gold at the
00:19:11.100 millennium,
00:19:11.720 an amount
00:19:12.080 you can give
00:19:12.620 today tax-free
00:19:13.600 to anyone
00:19:14.120 you love,
00:19:14.920 it would
00:19:15.200 have grown
00:19:15.540 to be worth
00:19:16.000 over $325,000.
00:19:18.460 Call our
00:19:19.140 team at
00:19:19.560 610-326-2000
00:19:21.840 and let us
00:19:22.700 step you through
00:19:23.220 crafting a
00:19:23.820 solution.
00:19:24.600 for your
00:19:24.920 family.
00:19:27.260 We are
00:19:28.080 actually at
00:19:28.680 the 10-year
00:19:29.800 anniversary
00:19:30.420 of the
00:19:32.180 martyrs in
00:19:33.620 Egypt,
00:19:34.160 the Egyptians,
00:19:35.060 they were
00:19:35.360 marched out
00:19:36.400 onto the
00:19:37.240 beach,
00:19:37.640 if you recall,
00:19:38.800 and had
00:19:39.520 their heads
00:19:40.240 cut off.
00:19:41.340 But also,
00:19:43.080 even today,
00:19:44.000 in your own
00:19:44.760 homeland,
00:19:45.320 there are
00:19:45.660 martyrs who
00:19:46.780 are trying
00:19:47.760 to live
00:19:48.120 their faith,
00:19:49.160 but they're
00:19:49.760 being persecuted.
00:19:51.740 This century,
00:19:53.220 even these
00:19:54.820 decades are
00:19:55.440 called some
00:19:56.020 of the
00:19:56.500 decades with
00:19:57.220 the most
00:19:57.700 martyrs who've
00:19:58.480 ever lived.
00:19:59.620 Yet,
00:20:00.040 in the West,
00:20:00.740 we don't
00:20:01.080 really see
00:20:01.740 much of
00:20:02.340 that.
00:20:04.100 When you're
00:20:04.840 in the
00:20:05.240 Vatican,
00:20:06.320 do you get
00:20:07.280 to learn of it
00:20:07.960 more than
00:20:08.640 perhaps the rest
00:20:09.680 of the world?
00:20:10.320 And I'd love
00:20:10.840 to hear your
00:20:11.260 thoughts,
00:20:11.540 especially of
00:20:12.920 those situations
00:20:14.200 that you've
00:20:14.640 heard of.
00:20:15.060 Well, in a
00:20:16.300 way, Rome
00:20:17.460 is like a
00:20:18.500 center.
00:20:19.780 So,
00:20:20.100 information
00:20:20.660 arrives.
00:20:22.480 And if the
00:20:23.140 individual takes
00:20:24.120 enough trouble
00:20:25.340 to make
00:20:26.380 contact with
00:20:27.440 sources of
00:20:28.040 information,
00:20:29.180 the person
00:20:29.560 will know
00:20:30.160 what is
00:20:30.920 happening in
00:20:31.480 other parts
00:20:32.000 of the world.
00:20:33.140 There are
00:20:33.580 some countries
00:20:34.720 where to be
00:20:35.960 a Christian
00:20:36.500 is to be
00:20:39.040 in danger
00:20:39.740 of being
00:20:40.960 deprived of
00:20:41.760 some of the
00:20:42.360 person's rights
00:20:43.280 or even
00:20:44.740 of being
00:20:45.460 persecuted,
00:20:46.760 of not
00:20:47.380 getting what
00:20:48.020 the person
00:20:48.480 has a right
00:20:49.160 to get,
00:20:50.200 and sometimes
00:20:51.100 of life
00:20:51.720 itself.
00:20:53.160 A martyr,
00:20:54.760 in our
00:20:55.280 understanding,
00:20:56.460 is a person
00:20:57.080 who is
00:20:58.560 killed for
00:20:59.580 the sake
00:21:00.120 of the
00:21:00.560 Christian
00:21:00.940 faith.
00:21:01.920 Nobody wants
00:21:02.620 to be killed,
00:21:03.860 but when a
00:21:04.640 person esteems
00:21:05.480 the faith as
00:21:06.600 more precious
00:21:07.300 than human
00:21:08.240 life, that
00:21:09.480 is the
00:21:10.540 quality of
00:21:11.460 a martyr.
00:21:11.960 and it
00:21:13.320 can happen
00:21:13.920 because some
00:21:15.460 people get
00:21:16.720 persecuted
00:21:17.260 because of
00:21:18.340 what they
00:21:18.820 believe,
00:21:19.800 because of
00:21:20.360 how they
00:21:20.820 live.
00:21:21.780 From the
00:21:22.360 early days,
00:21:23.680 you remember
00:21:24.960 St. Stephen
00:21:26.000 in the Acts
00:21:26.920 of the
00:21:27.260 Apostles,
00:21:28.520 and indeed
00:21:30.000 the apostles,
00:21:31.060 almost all
00:21:31.800 of them,
00:21:32.240 11 of them,
00:21:33.500 because they
00:21:34.200 believed in
00:21:34.780 Christ.
00:21:35.720 They were
00:21:36.040 first punished,
00:21:37.340 they were
00:21:37.680 threatened,
00:21:38.780 and finally
00:21:39.460 some were
00:21:39.980 killed.
00:21:40.340 That has
00:21:41.620 continued up
00:21:42.460 to our
00:21:42.800 time.
00:21:43.700 It has
00:21:44.060 not ceased.
00:21:45.240 So while
00:21:45.780 we have
00:21:46.220 St. Maria
00:21:47.100 Goretti in
00:21:48.200 Italy, we
00:21:49.120 have also
00:21:49.760 our own
00:21:50.640 Maria Gorettis
00:21:51.480 in Nigeria,
00:21:52.800 and we
00:21:53.220 have also
00:21:53.700 Christians who
00:21:55.020 are deprived
00:21:56.080 of their
00:21:56.580 rights, like
00:21:57.940 in the early
00:21:58.880 church, you
00:21:59.840 think of
00:22:00.340 St.
00:22:00.760 Sebastian,
00:22:01.820 you think
00:22:02.400 of St.
00:22:03.000 Lawrence
00:22:03.440 the martyr,
00:22:04.660 you think
00:22:05.040 of the early
00:22:05.700 popes, when
00:22:06.680 to be a
00:22:07.180 pope was to
00:22:08.100 be a candidate
00:22:08.820 for martyrdom.
00:22:10.400 So we
00:22:11.400 have some
00:22:12.420 problems.
00:22:13.740 Some people
00:22:14.880 in persecuting
00:22:15.860 Christians
00:22:16.580 camouflage their
00:22:18.540 action under
00:22:19.720 another title.
00:22:21.100 It may look
00:22:21.720 like a
00:22:22.640 quarrel between
00:22:23.600 landowners and
00:22:26.160 those who have
00:22:26.920 cattle that
00:22:28.420 destroyed their
00:22:29.460 crops.
00:22:30.340 It looks
00:22:31.040 simply like
00:22:31.800 that, but it
00:22:32.780 might be deeper
00:22:33.520 than that.
00:22:35.360 Situations
00:22:36.040 differ.
00:22:36.820 Nevertheless,
00:22:38.660 what is
00:22:39.080 true is
00:22:40.080 that some
00:22:40.520 people actually
00:22:41.260 get punished
00:22:42.160 because of
00:22:43.120 Christianity,
00:22:44.060 and some
00:22:44.520 actually get
00:22:45.240 killed today,
00:22:47.000 in some
00:22:48.080 countries more
00:22:49.060 than in
00:22:49.560 others.
00:22:50.340 Eminence, I
00:22:50.940 want to thank
00:22:51.380 you for your
00:22:51.800 time.
00:22:52.120 I know you
00:22:53.000 spent a long
00:22:53.760 time with us.
00:22:54.340 I would just
00:22:54.760 ask if you
00:22:55.340 would, many
00:22:56.440 many people
00:22:56.920 would very
00:22:57.560 much appreciate
00:22:58.280 your blessing.
00:22:59.500 May the
00:22:59.820 name of the
00:23:00.380 Lord be
00:23:00.780 blessed now
00:23:01.740 and forever.
00:23:02.680 Our help
00:23:03.140 is in the
00:23:03.540 name of the
00:23:04.120 Lord who
00:23:04.540 made heaven.
00:23:05.180 May the
00:23:05.780 blessing of
00:23:06.340 Almighty God,
00:23:07.680 Father, Son,
00:23:09.640 and Holy Spirit
00:23:10.520 descend on
00:23:11.300 you, all of
00:23:12.480 you who
00:23:12.840 listen, do
00:23:13.560 watch, and
00:23:14.580 remain with
00:23:15.060 you forever.
00:23:16.080 Amen.
00:23:17.240 Amen.
00:23:17.860 Thank you so
00:23:18.420 much, Eminence.
00:23:19.020 God bless you.
00:23:19.620 Thank you.
00:23:20.520 Thank you.
00:23:25.640 Aloha, everyone.
00:23:26.740 This is Jason
00:23:27.260 Jones for
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