Human Rights Activist Jason Jones joins me on the show to talk about the China Genocide Olympics and the corporate sponsorship of the event by NBC and the Chinese government. We talk about China's human rights abuses, the one-child policy, the "genocide Olympics" and much more.
00:02:32.760And over two years ago, you know, the captive nations people, the Tibetans, the Hong Kongers, the Uyghur,
00:02:39.800were really disheartened by this fact that these Olympics would be held in Beijing.
00:02:43.880And I really was hopeful that we could get them moved, but that didn't happen.
00:02:50.260And I think that might be God's grace, because this scandal has become a stepping stone.
00:02:55.760We're standing on this stumbling block, and we're amplifying to the world the incredible abuses of the CCP.
00:03:02.420And I really believe that when the history books are written, the Genocide Olympics will mark the beginning of the end of the CCP
00:03:11.440and the beginning of a free China, the beginning of a free East Turkestan, the beginning of a free Hong Kong, the beginning of a free Tibet.
00:03:19.800So I think we have an incredible opportunity here, because the veil has been ripped away.
00:03:25.680And the world is seeing not only the abuse of nature of the CCP, but the neoliberal participation in these abuses.
00:03:33.740You have an article on LifeSite News I want to direct everyone to,
00:03:37.000which really exposes those who have funded and participated in these genocide games or Genocide Olympics over at LifeSite News.
00:03:47.380Tell us a little bit about that. Give us a little snapshot.
00:03:49.100Yeah, well, it's a little snarky. You know, it's an open letter to the woke of 2095.
00:03:54.320And in it, I say, I know that you lack the courage in 2095, like the woke of today,
00:03:59.320to stand up to the people in power who are abusing people today in your age.
00:04:03.720But maybe you can do me a favor and look back to 2022 and help me cancel these names.
00:04:09.880And then we list the names of all of the corporations and the presidents, the CEOs of these corporations.
00:04:16.620I mean, I could read the list. It takes about 15 minutes. I do it on my podcast.
00:04:20.400But you can also go to the LifeSite article and you can see the names of all of these corporations
00:04:26.260or the people we know and maybe love, like Savannah Guthrie and Hoda and Al Roker, these broadcasters for NBC.
00:04:33.040It's really disgraceful. And they shouldn't participate in this.
00:04:36.660And NBC, I think, they've already realized what a catastrophe this is for the network and for their brand and for their hosts, not to mention the sponsors.
00:04:47.080Now, it's happening to the athletes right now. There's a lot of news coming out of China about what's happening.
00:04:53.420What have you seen and what do you make of it?
00:04:54.860Yeah, there's a Belgian woman who's a member of the bobsled team.
00:04:59.440And I think she initially tested positive for COVID, but they keep testing her.
00:05:04.520She's negative now. They told her they were going to move her back to the Olympic Village.
00:05:08.380They didn't. And now they've moved to another location where she's in solitary confinement for another seven days.
00:05:15.080She made an Instagram where she broke down crying and she said she feels like she's being tortured.
00:05:20.080And what's really sorrowful, this young woman is an out-and-about sponsor.
00:05:27.420It means, I guess, she's in some way a member of the, quote, LGBTQ community.
00:05:32.440I hope that they're out-and-about for her because I can tell you as a conservative Catholic, I'm going to be out-and-about and loud for her.
00:05:39.040But to think that they're abusing our athletes, the people we put in Wheaties boxes, the people that sell shoes and sugar drinks, you know, the people we revere.
00:05:49.300They're abusing them in front of the whole world.
00:05:52.280And I have to ask myself, is it that the CCP does not even know how to act right for 16 days?
00:06:24.460And it makes you think, if this is how they treat Olympians with the world paying attention, they pushed a broadcaster right away from the camera with the camera rolling.
00:06:33.260If this is how they're treating broadcasters and athletes with the world's eyes gazing at them, one has to ponder what in the world is happening to the Chinese when the cameras aren't there.
00:08:21.680So this is the I think this is a great grave scandal.
00:08:26.200I don't see how the Olympics will recover from this because it's damaging to their brand.
00:08:31.580But I'm willing to sacrifice the Olympics to rip back the veil for the world to see the truth about the CCP.
00:08:38.460One of the main actors in this sort of drama unfolding has been the mainstream media.
00:08:45.260The failure of the mainstream media to report and also of politicians to speak out against what's happening.
00:08:53.000These are evident human rights abuses.
00:08:55.600They are being hidden by much of the mainstream media and by politicians who continue to praise China.
00:09:00.980Some of them just out loud, blatantly not even caring about what they're doing.
00:09:05.800Everything is becoming crystal clear, isn't it?
00:09:07.680The same mainstream media outlets that are praising China, praising the CCP, are calling the salt of the earth truckers in Canada fascists.
00:09:42.100I say if we were to take a blue light and run it through our house and even the computer that I'm looking at you, the camera that I'm looking through you at, I'm afraid that I would see the blood of Uyghur all over my house.
00:09:55.100You know, poetically speaking, if I were to take a blue light through my house, we would see the blood of the Uyghur on our clothes.
00:10:01.040We would see the blood of Han Chinese and Tibetans.
00:10:03.920We would see the victims of the blood of the victims of the CCP on all over our house.
00:10:10.600Well, how did these products get here?
00:10:13.660Well, companies founded in the United States, Canada and the Western world, transnational corporations are in partnership.
00:10:20.140And then our investment funds, our retirement funds have blood on every dollar.
00:10:26.680So we need to disengage from any company that partners with the CCP, any company that partners with the exploitation of the Chinese, the exploitation and the exploitation of the captive nations.
00:10:38.900We know really we're at a point to free China's to free the world.
00:10:42.160When we partner with the cost of those cheap electronics in those big box stores is the enslavement of your children and your grandchildren and the enslavement of the Chinese and the captive nations today.
00:10:56.320One of the aspects that is also very despicable that actually is being trying to foist on the rest of the planet as well, but is the persecution of all sorts of religious groups in China.
00:11:09.100You've had some personal connection with that.
00:11:13.360What's your stance on what's going on there and what have you seen?
00:11:16.380My relationship with the persecuted groups of China goes back to when I was a young student at the University of Hawaii in the 90s.
00:11:23.560You know, as a college student, I was chairman of the Pro-Life Student Union and I was chairman of the College Republicans.
00:11:28.780And, you know, that's an uphill battle fighting for life as a Republican, as a conservative in any college campus.
00:11:35.420And but what I discovered was that we really had a constituency and we had a presence and a voice on campus.
00:11:42.480And so it was in the 90s when I went to other groups fighting for human rights like Chinese dissidents that were on campus and we organized events together.
00:11:51.920We organized an event for the freeing of Wei Zhenxing two weeks before Zemin came to the East West Center and two weeks after he left, after our protest, Wei Zhenxing was was freed.
00:12:03.140But it was then where I realized that the pro-life movement is is the largest, most influential and powerful social movement in the world, most tightly knit together.
00:12:14.000It's something people don't understand. And LifeSite News is at the hub of that.
00:12:17.400But I knew this in college. And so I wanted to lend our influence and our voice to liken commensurate issues.
00:12:24.620And I'm not a believer in this seamless garment that says that submerges the child in the womb in an ocean of prudential issues.
00:12:33.040But what I will say is there are issues like in commensurate to abortion.
00:12:36.640And I think genocide, democide and total war are like in commensurate and their denial of the fundamental beauty and dignity of the human person.
00:12:45.560And so going back to college, this was something that was very important to me.
00:12:48.440In fact, my organization, Hero, our very first initiative was to train the Chinese on how to use corruption, how to corrupt government officials to subvert the one child policy.
00:13:00.460And this is going back now over 20 years. It is the suppression of religious freedom.
00:13:05.380It's not just religious freedom. You know, there are communities in China that just acknowledge a transcendence.
00:13:11.500Anything that transcends the state, they rightfully see as their enemy because their horizon is finite.
00:13:18.920And that's why even in the West, you know, Heidegger, something Heidegger understood was that Nietzsche wanted to kill Jesus Christ, kill God.
00:13:29.040But that wasn't enough, that one had to kill Plato. Heidegger wanted to, you know, he became a Nazi.
00:13:33.780And he wanted to kill Plato because the idea of logos, the idea of transcendence was repugnant to that illiberal man.
00:13:40.340And so that's what we see in China. Any religion, any philosophy, anything, Taoism, the Falun Gong, anything that points to transcendence is a threat to the CCP.
00:13:53.580And so how sorrowful. They're really trapped in a very diminished world, a very small world.
00:13:59.140And so it's very important. I, you know, my wife is Chinese and that's her, you know, she's a first generation American.
00:14:07.460And I want to liberate China from the CCP. The CCP says that religion is a threat to Chinese culture.
00:14:15.400And they want to make sure that everything comports to Chinese culture.
00:14:19.860No, they mean to the will of the party, which the party is animated by a perversion of Western ideology.
00:14:24.460It was the CCP that waged a cultural revolution that ripped up the very roots of Chinese culture.
00:14:31.720Imagine a revolution in the West. I guess Heidegger, you know, would have liked this.
00:14:37.120But imagine a revolution in the West where they burned Plato and Shakespeare and the Iliad and the Aeneid and Odyssey and the Church Fathers and, of course, the Gospel.
00:14:45.940Imagine if you set all of the roots of Western philosophy on fire. Jerusalem, Athens, and Rome erased.
00:14:54.440That's what the CCP did in the cultural revolution. And then they went from there to the one-child policy, destroying their posterity.
00:15:00.380No one has cousins. No one has aunts and uncles. Culture thrives in a family.
00:15:05.000And a family is not mom, dad, kid. A family is mom, dad, kids, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, festivals, celebrations, feasts.
00:15:13.920This is where culture thrives. The first victim of the CCP is China.
00:15:20.060Now, what do you make of China's plan today?
00:15:24.320Basically, it seems like the exporting of the social credit system, and is China sort of behind the global control?
00:15:34.280We've seen the evidence that, you know, China was responsible for the so-called COVID-19 virus coming out of the lab in China.
00:15:44.700But what do you make of what's going on right now and its relationship to China and the move of the whole World Economic Forum,
00:15:52.580the Great Reset pushers to going toward that Chinese-style social credit system?
00:15:57.220Yeah, we'll own no property, and we'll love it. We'll be eating cricket meat.
00:16:00.940And notice they always say, you will own no property, not we. You will own no property.
00:16:05.020You will be eating cricket meat. Cricket meat. What is cricket meat? I don't know. You'll be happy.
00:16:10.200You know, when I was a young college Republican, I was a market fundamentalist.
00:16:13.460And I remember campaigning for permanent most favored nation status for China.
00:16:17.400I didn't know what the heck I was doing. I remember being so happy.
00:16:20.520You know, we got permanent MFN for China. Why?
00:16:23.220Because we were told, China's going to become like us. Yay. And we're going to have a free world, you know?
00:16:29.400Kumbaya, it's going to be wonderful. It's going to be like, you know, Disney's It's a Small World.
00:16:33.740And there'll be Panera Breads in every town. Well, guess what? That didn't work. It didn't happen.
00:16:38.980We've become like China. This social credit system, we already have it.
00:16:43.540We have cancel culture, and no one's left.
00:16:46.520You know, you look at what they're doing to Joe Rogan right now.
00:16:48.640Joe Rogan called himself a socialist a few years ago, voted for Bernie Sanders.
00:16:54.500No one thinks he's a racist. No one looks at that guy and goes, he's unhealthy.
00:16:59.820No one thinks he has ill intent. People may disagree with him.
00:17:03.420Okay. They dox his past. They look into his past, and they seek to destroy him.
00:17:08.260Whoopi Goldberg. No one thinks Whoopi Goldberg's an anti-Semite, but they just, it's this will to destroy.
00:17:13.860And then they look in their past. Cancel culture is the culture of death.
00:17:19.180We as pro-life people should never engage in cancel culture.
00:17:22.440That doesn't mean we shouldn't be prudent and thoughtful, and, you know, but what it means is exactly that.
00:17:27.780We should be prudent and thoughtful. We should look to people's intent and actions and allow people to make mistakes and misspeak or grow as humans and not seek to destroy them.
00:17:35.720In the Cultural Revolution in China, they would bring a 19-year-old girl on stage in her small village.
00:17:41.040They would have a stage. They would bring her on stage, and they would laugh at her, right?
00:17:44.660And they would say, she, you know, peed in class when she was in first grade.
00:17:49.480This is something that happened to a friend of mine. She told me.
00:17:51.980They said they brought her on stage. They made fun of her for, you know, losing control of her bladder in first grade because she was scared and whatnot.
00:17:57.540I don't know. They said, oh, you were zit-faced as a junior high student. You kissed this boy in high school, and they would go through everything.
00:18:05.040And your grandfather was this kind of person. Not only you, your father, your grandfather, they would ridicule you on stage in your little village.
00:18:12.440Well, now we have social media. Not only are people allowed to ridicule and attack and dox and destroy,
00:18:18.640then if you want to speak out against anything that goes against their orthodoxy, you are silenced.
00:18:24.500You are silenced. So we're seeing the cancel culture. We have become like China.
00:18:30.780We cannot allow ourselves as human beings to conform to this.
00:18:35.040We shall not conform to this. We will not engage in the cancel culture.
00:18:38.860We will defend the vulnerable, and we will promote the transcendent moral order.
00:18:44.780We will celebrate the dignity of the human person. And that's the key, right?
00:18:48.420And Catholic social teaching, true Catholic social teaching, not a lot of what masquerades presents itself as Catholic social teaching,
00:18:57.440but really standing with those who've been outcast, celebrating the dignity of the human person, pointing to the transcendent moral truth.
00:19:05.860This is the foundation of our civilization that was birthed with the incarnation of the second person of the Trinity.
00:19:14.900Our civilization flowered from a new understanding of human dignity.
00:19:19.880And the CCP, of course, would love to take an axe to that.
00:19:23.280I have to ask you this one last thing, and it pains me to ask it, but the Pope just tweeted wonderfully about the Olympic Games.
00:19:52.820Okay, this is what I get from this, that it's the age of the laity right there.
00:19:56.460I have to say I'm greatly, I'm frustrated with this.
00:19:59.900But, you know, when I was in Iraq, miles from ISIS, traveling with the Peshmerga, documenting the brutality of the ISIS brutality to the ancient Christian communities, the first century Christian church.
00:20:11.480I had a priest with tears in his eyes ask me, why is the Pope beaming images of wild animals on the St. Peter's Basilica, that globalist-funded charade at the Vatican?
00:20:23.500Why is he beaming wild animals and dangerous species onto the walls of the Vatican?
00:20:27.660Can't he beam images of my children that have been killed and are being raped by ISIS?
00:20:54.980It becomes less confusing when you know that Cardinal McCarrick, the most blackmailable man in the history of disgraced, former disgraced Cardinal McCarrick,
00:21:02.260the most blackmailable man in the history of the planet Earth, goes to China, the regime that loves to blackmail people.
00:24:09.460But it seems to be quite simple to know that there are children in Afghanistan hiding, like Anne Frank, from the Taliban in a cold attic, living off of a little bit of food.
00:24:23.340It's easy, I would think, to say I'm not going to support the Beijing Olympics as long as there are 3 million people in concentration camps or Tibetan children are being kidnapped from their family in the hundreds of thousands.
00:24:39.960It's the age of the, is a lay Catholic baptized, you know, is a Christian with that grace.
00:24:46.880This is something else Rene Girard said.
00:24:49.300He said, you know, I think the apocalypse may come.
00:24:51.640He called people who feigned concern for the vulnerable victimists.
00:24:55.520People who feigned concern for the vulnerable for wealth, power, and prestige victimists.
00:25:00.020That sounds like some people I know, prominent people in the Catholic Church.
00:25:03.720He said, when the last Christian becomes a victimist, that's when the apocalypse will come, when there is no one left to stand with those who have been abandoned.
00:26:20.460And there's nothing more privileged than that.
00:26:23.340When you think about at the cross, who is with their Lord at the cross?
00:26:26.680So when everyone leaves, if you have God's grace to stay and you look around, you're at that pro-life, you're praying outside that abortion clinic and you look around, who's next to you?
00:26:39.060The most beautiful people in the world.
00:26:41.040If you stand with the truckers and you go bring them food and fuel in Ottawa and you look around, who's around you?
00:26:47.200The most beautiful people in the world.
00:26:48.980When you rescue Afghans and I get to greet them at the airport and meet them with their babies.