The John-Henry Westen Show - EXCLUSIVE： Lead African Archbishop on the Push to Decriminalize Sodomy

00:00:00.000 As the Catholic leadership in Uganda, the bishops right now have come to a way that we have been

00:00:07.960 invaded by this kind of thing. And they are also aware that it is coming from, there's a pressure

00:00:14.640 from other areas to bring it here.

00:00:18.320 Hi friends, we're coming to you from an incredible place, a school and university complex called

00:00:30.500 Ghazubi, here right outside of Kampala in Uganda. I just had an incredible conversation with

00:00:37.480 the Archbishop here, Paul Semu Guerere, and it's just incredible. We talked about the

00:00:43.860 greatest pressures on Africa, and as we all know, that's coming from all the rest of the 1.00

00:00:49.780 world, the Vatican included, regarding homosexuality. Just last week, we had Pope Francis complaining

00:00:58.480 about African bishops, and about African bishops needing to be against these kind of laws that

00:01:05.960 protect the family here. So we're going to talk, we're going to show you our conversation,

00:01:10.760 how the African bishops recognize what is actually happening. It's incredible, and I'd love to show

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00:03:01.680 Unusinaj yãy dan jayi.

00:03:07.000 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.

00:03:30.920 God our Father, we thank you for the gift of life,

00:03:33.900 and for the gift of faith, and for being our God.

00:03:38.820 We pray that we continue to go through the path of the Lord that gave us,

00:03:47.760 following the commandments that you gave,

00:03:50.760 and the way of life that your Son asked us to follow,

00:03:56.940 so that we may be able to respect what you have created,

00:04:01.280 and how you created us, and behave accordingly,

00:04:06.500 and remain within that path that you, your Son,

00:04:11.600 artitulated when you came on earth,

00:04:15.240 and left for the church to continue artitulating,

00:04:19.000 for the good of society, and for your great glory.

00:04:23.320 We, through this interaction that we have today,

00:04:29.540 give us the necessary assistance of the Holy Spirit,

00:04:34.540 so that we can help evangelize,

00:04:38.800 and make the world wicked, 0.78

00:04:40.540 which is now so much confused,

00:04:43.460 to become even sober, more sober,

00:04:45.680 and more respectful,

00:04:48.140 and following your Son in the way that he came to show us.

00:04:58.660 We ask this through Christ our Lord.

00:05:00.320 Amen.

00:05:01.580 Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

00:05:03.400 Amen.

00:05:03.700 So, one of the things that you have here,

00:05:08.460 that is not in the rest of the world,

00:05:10.880 is the Ugandan martyrs.

00:05:14.320 And there is a particular relevance of the Ugandan martyrs

00:05:18.260 on this very question.

00:05:21.100 And are we right in supposing that some of the strength

00:05:24.920 of the church here, and even of society here,

00:05:28.480 is because of the Ugandan martyrs?

00:05:30.180 Hmm.

00:05:32.900 Well, I will say that we are blessed,

00:05:38.280 that at the beginning of the evangelization in Uganda,

00:05:44.500 the missionaries found courageous young men,

00:05:48.300 young men,

00:05:50.720 who, I think, guided by the Holy Spirit,

00:05:54.740 were able, within a very short time,

00:05:57.520 to embrace the way of Jesus Christ,

00:05:59.940 to follow the Jewish,

00:06:01.260 and to learn, and to study,

00:06:02.740 and to be convinced about Catholicism,

00:06:07.120 and about the Bible.

00:06:09.740 And I don't know how mysteriously God made it,

00:06:14.380 that without even going to learn the language

00:06:18.860 of the missionaries,

00:06:20.780 the missionaries were able to quickly learn,

00:06:23.680 and be able to teach catechism,

00:06:25.180 and convince these young men,

00:06:28.080 to the point of deciding to die for Jesus Christ.

00:06:32.860 That was, that is, I think,

00:06:34.980 that is the best miracle that we received during that time.

00:06:39.300 And these men were taught what is right,

00:06:44.900 the commandments,

00:06:45.680 to give up things,

00:06:48.560 the behaviors that the people of Uganda,

00:06:53.020 of Uganda appreciated at the time,

00:06:55.680 what they thought it was good for them.

00:06:58.080 things like polygamy.

00:07:02.220 Polygamy, even up to now,

00:07:04.020 some of the people still,

00:07:06.420 have more than one wife.

00:07:11.240 Even Catholics and Christians.

00:07:12.620 And that is how, after 100 and almost 150 years ago,

00:07:19.300 when these men died and said,

00:07:20.860 no, we give up polygamy.

00:07:23.720 The case of like,

00:07:25.100 Mulumba, who had several women,

00:07:26.900 was convinced,

00:07:28.480 and then he also convinced his wives,

00:07:32.000 that my religion, this religion,

00:07:34.420 allows me to have only one wife.

00:07:37.120 So settle there, settle there,

00:07:38.600 be on your own,

00:07:39.600 so that I can,

00:07:41.020 we can follow the way of Jesus Christ.

00:07:42.920 That was courageous and remarkable.

00:07:47.080 Now, of course,

00:07:49.360 there are two categories,

00:07:50.120 don't, don't steal,

00:07:51.820 don't fight,

00:07:52.820 don't kill,

00:07:54.300 all these commandments that we have.

00:07:57.100 But,

00:07:59.180 when,

00:08:00.600 this bad behavior of the king,

00:08:03.300 Mwanga,

00:08:04.620 you know,

00:08:05.860 making advances towards young people,

00:08:09.600 and encouraging them 0.73

00:08:10.640 to be homosexual, 0.71

00:08:13.400 to go against this, 0.99

00:08:16.560 knowing that this will make you lose your life,

00:08:21.020 was incredible for these young men.

00:08:26.020 And they said,

00:08:27.080 yes, we will die for Jesus Christ.

00:08:29.180 This is wrong.

00:08:30.600 We cannot go ahead and do this.

00:08:33.020 And they were killed,

00:08:34.020 because he was making advances towards this.

00:08:36.840 I think that is the basis for much of our faith

00:08:42.820 and our resistance,

00:08:46.120 that if the martyrs were able to do this, 0.99

00:08:51.020 ignorant as they were, 0.98

00:08:52.640 way back in the years, 0.99

00:08:55.760 why don't we continue doing it

00:08:57.860 and being courageous enough.

00:09:00.280 So, I think the Ugandan martyrs,

00:09:01.980 the blood shed by the Ugandan martyrs,

00:09:04.900 is still giving us life,

00:09:08.780 in way of resisting the evil.

00:09:11.840 and the kind of those who want to come

00:09:17.500 and take away our values,

00:09:20.460 and start and bring new ones.

00:09:24.640 But I understand that some,

00:09:26.140 as I said,

00:09:28.240 who think that Mwanga was right.

00:09:32.480 Mwanga was right,

00:09:33.660 because he was killing these people

00:09:35.760 who were against,

00:09:37.100 who had,

00:09:37.800 instead of listening to him,

00:09:40.980 as a king,

00:09:42.060 they were listening to

00:09:42.800 other people from another country.

00:09:45.400 So, they are kind of rebels.

00:09:47.580 What would the chief do?

00:09:48.580 What did the king do?

00:09:49.520 What did the leader of society do?

00:09:51.660 If somebody comes to invade,

00:09:53.660 invade your people, 1.00

00:09:55.480 and change their mentality, 0.99

00:09:58.720 who was right to kill them? 0.54

00:10:00.220 But, what we know that,

00:10:01.680 yes, the Ugandan martyrs,

00:10:03.300 we have a treasure.

00:10:05.080 And treasure,

00:10:05.840 and it's good,

00:10:06.300 it's not only enough in Uganda,

00:10:08.780 but this treasure has been embraced

00:10:12.440 by Africa,

00:10:14.620 the whole of Africa in general.

00:10:16.060 When I've got the Ugandan martyrs Day 0.98

00:10:17.640 on the 3rd of June,

00:10:18.940 people come in big numbers

00:10:21.240 from different countries of Africa,

00:10:25.500 of different languages,

00:10:26.940 and we gather together

00:10:27.940 and joyfully celebrate

00:10:29.680 the courage of the Ugandan martyrs.

00:10:33.640 We are also lucky that

00:10:34.820 this day has been coming,

00:10:36.800 also international,

00:10:38.160 that even the developed world,

00:10:41.300 you know,

00:10:42.140 people from America,

00:10:43.280 from Canada,

00:10:44.020 from Europe,

00:10:45.400 even from Australia,

00:10:47.580 come and join us

00:10:50.000 in celebrating the courage

00:10:52.160 of the Ugandan martyrs.

00:10:53.920 These people are so young,

00:10:55.600 not that much old,

00:10:56.700 like myself,

00:10:57.540 and they chose to say,

00:11:00.380 no,

00:11:00.620 we go against this new development.

00:11:03.440 That is not African. 1.00

00:11:05.720 It's not African, 1.00

00:11:07.500 and it is a shame

00:11:09.660 that would embrace it.

00:11:12.720 As Africans,

00:11:14.880 I don't know where this behavior came from,

00:11:19.980 because normal is not natural with us,

00:11:24.200 especially here in the Ugandan area.

00:11:26.860 You know,

00:11:27.660 it's not acceptable.

00:11:29.560 You would not think of somebody saying,

00:11:31.460 I'm going to do this.

00:11:33.300 Because they would even curse you,

00:11:36.660 say,

00:11:36.820 you're not part of us.

00:11:38.360 and even let other people to say,

00:11:44.100 that is a very bad behavior.

00:11:45.940 What's wrong?

00:11:46.800 This person has gone mad.

00:11:48.600 So saying that,

00:11:49.680 this is the way I was created,

00:11:51.780 this is the way I feel,

00:11:53.800 this is my orientation,

00:11:56.080 is not even acceptable

00:11:57.900 for most of our people.

00:11:59.700 It is only being told to us,

00:12:01.620 you have to go to school

00:12:02.580 to get the conviction that,

00:12:08.620 yeah,

00:12:08.920 your orientation is this way.

00:12:12.480 Don't you feel it?

00:12:13.560 Please experience it.

00:12:15.400 But naturally,

00:12:16.500 as Africans,

00:12:18.480 that orientation,

00:12:19.400 I think,

00:12:20.460 is not there.

00:12:21.840 We just have to be told to us,

00:12:24.940 and then eventually,

00:12:26.860 change our minds

00:12:28.680 to think that,

00:12:30.080 oh,

00:12:30.280 there is an orientation

00:12:31.780 like this one.

00:12:33.820 What have you done

00:12:36.420 or thought about

00:12:37.480 to try and resist this agenda?

00:12:39.700 Because you said,

00:12:40.640 it's coming in your schools,

00:12:42.680 even in seminaries,

00:12:44.160 it's coming from the West.

00:12:45.560 They attach it to

00:12:46.860 monetary gifts

00:12:48.760 and donations

00:12:49.400 and whatever,

00:12:50.560 almost as a condition

00:12:51.640 to receiving it.

00:12:54.620 Do you have plans

00:12:55.980 on being able to

00:12:57.460 resist this kind of pressure?

00:13:00.280 as the Catholic leadership

00:13:04.660 in Uganda,

00:13:06.420 the bishops right now

00:13:07.860 have come to aware

00:13:08.940 that we have been invaded

00:13:09.960 by this kind of thing.

00:13:11.760 and they are also aware

00:13:14.420 that it is coming from,

00:13:15.680 there's a pressure

00:13:16.280 from other areas

00:13:18.740 to bring it here.

00:13:20.820 And they're also aware

00:13:21.800 that our young people,

00:13:23.680 because of

00:13:24.260 the need for money

00:13:26.460 and survival

00:13:27.680 and to experience

00:13:29.280 what is not here,

00:13:31.140 they kind of

00:13:32.100 may be attracted

00:13:33.600 and sometimes

00:13:35.140 be convinced

00:13:35.920 to take on

00:13:37.720 this kind of behavior.

00:13:40.640 We have,

00:13:41.420 one thing is that

00:13:42.660 right now

00:13:43.580 we are aware

00:13:44.500 and we are planning

00:13:46.280 that we should do something.

00:13:47.520 Awareness itself

00:13:48.400 is very important.

00:13:50.760 Being aware

00:13:51.560 that it is everywhere

00:13:52.480 and it is money.

00:13:55.060 Yes,

00:13:55.640 we have discussed it

00:13:57.740 in our meetings.

00:13:58.680 We continue to discuss

00:13:59.680 how we are going to resist

00:14:01.080 this kind of thing

00:14:02.640 because it has come

00:14:03.520 with a special agenda

00:14:05.000 and those who are bringing it

00:14:07.500 want to make sure

00:14:09.260 are too strong

00:14:10.580 that it is very difficult

00:14:12.300 for us to resist them.

00:14:14.520 So one is to pray,

00:14:16.580 ask God,

00:14:17.680 help us

00:14:18.360 that we may follow

00:14:20.000 the right way

00:14:20.820 that young people

00:14:22.240 who are so many,

00:14:23.680 you know,

00:14:23.880 Uganda society

00:14:25.240 over almost 70%

00:14:28.920 of the people

00:14:30.760 of the population

00:14:31.440 is 40 years and under.

00:14:35.020 So that is a big,

00:14:35.980 big, big population

00:14:36.960 of young people.

00:14:38.160 But these young people 1.00

00:14:39.160 are being attacked

00:14:40.500 or invaded

00:14:41.480 by this new behavior.

00:14:42.520 So we have decided

00:14:45.780 that we bring

00:14:46.980 this awareness

00:14:47.960 to the schools,

00:14:49.880 talk to the parents

00:14:51.820 and see how they can bring

00:14:54.400 to help their children

00:14:56.920 not to follow this way.

00:15:00.800 But, you know,

00:15:01.760 the pressure is too much

00:15:03.500 because it comes with money,

00:15:05.660 it comes with good readings,

00:15:07.240 it comes with the schools,

00:15:08.940 it is on the media,

00:15:10.620 it's on the TVs

00:15:11.660 and we have no control,

00:15:13.620 it's on the telephones

00:15:14.780 and you cannot

00:15:16.160 control yourself,

00:15:17.120 control your child

00:15:17.840 not to have the telephone

00:15:18.820 with the gifts

00:15:19.840 as I said.

00:15:21.240 But we went to,

00:15:22.400 we have put agenda

00:15:23.240 to say that

00:15:24.960 this is not embraced.

00:15:26.640 In our seminaries,

00:15:28.180 we have told directors

00:15:29.420 zero tolerance

00:15:30.980 in this kind of behavior.

00:15:32.940 Just go and help him

00:15:36.800 outside of the seminary

00:15:38.280 but let him go out

00:15:40.540 and be helped

00:15:41.440 from outside

00:15:42.160 but to stay in the seminary

00:15:44.840 we perpetuate

00:15:47.080 the situation,

00:15:48.560 the bad situation.

00:15:49.580 Yeah.

00:15:50.220 You already experienced

00:15:51.780 the same kind of pressure

00:15:53.360 before

00:15:54.240 with regard to

00:15:56.300 contraception

00:15:57.240 an abortion.

00:15:58.420 How did you

00:15:59.340 confront that

00:16:00.360 and is it

00:16:02.240 somewhat similar

00:16:03.160 right now?

00:16:05.900 Abortion

00:16:06.540 is abominable

00:16:08.400 also in Africa.

00:16:10.200 That helps us

00:16:11.060 that

00:16:11.480 somebody to abort 0.62

00:16:13.400 you know

00:16:14.140 also is not

00:16:14.760 acceptable.

00:16:15.680 You cannot

00:16:15.980 people know

00:16:17.560 and they're guilty

00:16:18.400 they feel guilty

00:16:19.280 when abortion

00:16:20.160 has been made

00:16:21.460 and they do it 0.97

00:16:22.660 still silly 1.00

00:16:23.280 still silly. 0.99

00:16:24.580 Unfortunately 0.96

00:16:25.020 is that

00:16:26.120 it's also criminal

00:16:26.980 criminal

00:16:27.980 that to abort

00:16:28.980 is criminal

00:16:29.860 so

00:16:32.240 people avoid it

00:16:33.700 and sometimes

00:16:36.080 the girls 0.99

00:16:36.780 who become pregnant

00:16:38.360 and they want to abort 0.80

00:16:39.660 use

00:16:40.820 very crude ways

00:16:42.300 of doing it

00:16:43.020 and sometimes

00:16:44.080 there's a loss

00:16:45.220 of both lives

00:16:46.940 with the unborn

00:16:48.400 and the mother

00:16:49.440 and this should be

00:16:52.180 protected.

00:16:52.620 we have tried

00:16:54.520 not to encourage

00:16:55.780 those girls 1.00

00:16:58.840 who are pregnant

00:16:59.440 not to abort

00:17:00.540 so many people

00:17:01.540 church

00:17:02.080 institutions

00:17:03.720 are there

00:17:05.140 to support

00:17:06.060 the child

00:17:08.020 the girl

00:17:09.200 who has been

00:17:09.880 impregnated

00:17:10.660 and has no care

00:17:12.480 and is

00:17:13.200 left alone

00:17:15.000 to give them

00:17:15.840 support.

00:17:17.400 The church

00:17:18.160 cannot condemn

00:17:19.080 them for being

00:17:20.020 pregnant 0.80

00:17:20.440 but it helps

00:17:22.160 them to

00:17:22.720 accept

00:17:25.720 to live

00:17:26.740 and to

00:17:27.920 appreciate life

00:17:29.180 and we are

00:17:31.260 lucky with

00:17:31.880 our government

00:17:32.560 also

00:17:33.100 government of

00:17:33.980 Uganda

00:17:34.420 that when it

00:17:36.040 comes to abortion

00:17:36.800 you know

00:17:37.840 it's criminal

00:17:38.980 you have killed

00:17:41.580 a person

00:17:42.100 and that

00:17:44.000 I don't see

00:17:45.560 although the

00:17:47.260 pressure is there

00:17:48.600 to let the

00:17:50.800 government be

00:17:51.380 convinced

00:17:51.840 that yes

00:17:53.660 abortion is 0.64

00:17:54.540 okay

00:17:54.940 it's fine

00:17:55.740 our government

00:17:57.740 so far

00:17:58.320 and parliament

00:17:59.340 are against

00:18:01.140 the kind of

00:18:02.320 new behavior

00:18:02.920 now with

00:18:04.140 abortion

00:18:04.520 with the

00:18:05.100 contraceptives

00:18:08.060 I think

00:18:08.740 we

00:18:09.040 have to

00:18:10.620 continue

00:18:11.100 preaching

00:18:12.640 in our

00:18:13.000 churches

00:18:13.460 talking about

00:18:14.960 those who

00:18:16.940 are preparing

00:18:17.380 for marriage

00:18:17.980 but I think

00:18:19.000 we are not

00:18:20.000 gaining

00:18:20.280 we are losing

00:18:20.840 I'm sure

00:18:21.460 very many

00:18:22.680 new families

00:18:24.420 are now

00:18:24.880 using

00:18:26.260 contraceptives

00:18:27.180 we have

00:18:28.280 other ways

00:18:28.980 helping

00:18:30.520 assisting

00:18:30.960 them

00:18:31.300 to

00:18:32.220 embrace

00:18:33.440 natural

00:18:34.100 family

00:18:34.440 planning

00:18:34.900 but we

00:18:36.200 need help

00:18:36.720 we need

00:18:39.320 to

00:18:39.480 the support

00:18:41.960 of those

00:18:43.580 who have

00:18:43.960 succeeded

00:18:44.400 especially

00:18:45.280 from outside

00:18:46.580 to bring

00:18:48.100 it here

00:18:48.420 because

00:18:48.740 one

00:18:49.640 people have

00:18:51.080 become aware

00:18:52.180 that having

00:18:52.980 so many

00:18:53.440 children

00:18:53.880 is

00:18:55.960 a burden

00:18:58.740 it's not

00:18:59.440 easy

00:18:59.820 and many

00:19:01.560 of our parents

00:19:02.300 would wish

00:19:02.880 that their children

00:19:03.480 go to school

00:19:04.200 and have a good

00:19:05.380 life

00:19:05.700 so those

00:19:10.080 highly educated

00:19:12.280 couples

00:19:15.080 will know

00:19:16.580 that there's

00:19:17.080 an option

00:19:17.700 you can take

00:19:18.340 a contraceptive

00:19:19.220 and use it

00:19:20.460 and so

00:19:22.300 yes we preach

00:19:25.540 about it

00:19:26.020 but I'm

00:19:27.560 sure that

00:19:28.220 very many

00:19:29.040 couples

00:19:31.800 just ignore

00:19:32.680 and use

00:19:34.140 contraceptives

00:19:34.940 because they

00:19:35.520 see it

00:19:35.760 is very

00:19:36.060 difficult

00:19:36.440 but we

00:19:37.840 have

00:19:38.520 to continue

00:19:39.720 encouraging

00:19:42.240 them to use

00:19:42.840 the natural

00:19:43.260 family planning

00:19:44.100 when it comes

00:19:47.640 to abortion

00:19:48.320 as I said

00:19:49.640 the government

00:19:53.140 there's a law

00:19:54.080 and that kind of

00:20:00.300 protects

00:20:00.780 and helps

00:20:01.520 us

00:20:01.820 but we have

00:20:03.640 to convince

00:20:04.340 our people

00:20:05.440 that

00:20:05.880 no this is

00:20:08.460 not right

00:20:09.340 you know

00:20:10.380 you have

00:20:10.820 become pregnant 0.99

00:20:11.940 you have killed 1.00

00:20:13.320 a baby 0.97

00:20:13.780 that is a crime

00:20:14.840 and God

00:20:15.420 is against

00:20:16.400 killing

00:20:16.840 and I think

00:20:18.680 young people

00:20:19.560 accept

00:20:19.980 once they are

00:20:20.720 engaged

00:20:21.040 they accept

00:20:22.160 and say

00:20:23.160 this is the way

00:20:23.760 the young people

00:20:25.400 still respect

00:20:26.140 the church leaders

00:20:27.360 they may go

00:20:29.060 against what

00:20:29.640 they have told

00:20:30.140 them but they

00:20:30.740 know that

00:20:31.700 what they are

00:20:32.080 doing is wrong

00:20:32.920 and I think

00:20:33.940 that is important

00:20:34.720 that we do

00:20:35.560 know

00:20:35.800 what they are

00:20:36.500 doing is wrong

00:20:37.220 the contraceptives

00:20:46.980 I think that

00:20:49.040 we shall just

00:20:51.380 pray a lot

00:20:52.640 and let them

00:20:56.000 know that

00:20:56.540 it's wrong

00:20:58.400 not to

00:20:59.300 use contraceptives

00:21:01.260 the good thing

00:21:03.900 is that

00:21:04.360 not having a child

00:21:08.140 as a couple

00:21:08.840 in Africa 0.96

00:21:10.080 is like a curse 0.99

00:21:11.620 what's wrong

00:21:12.340 what's wrong

00:21:12.900 with us

00:21:13.380 but the developed

00:21:16.220 countries

00:21:16.600 you can find

00:21:17.220 a couple

00:21:17.560 that says

00:21:18.100 no

00:21:18.380 we shall not

00:21:19.060 have children

00:21:19.640 it's very difficult

00:21:21.560 to find

00:21:22.160 a couple

00:21:23.480 in Uganda

00:21:24.200 that says

00:21:24.960 we shall not

00:21:25.740 have children

00:21:26.320 that is kind

00:21:27.880 of expected

00:21:28.920 and the grandparents

00:21:31.020 would wish

00:21:31.760 to know

00:21:32.200 no

00:21:32.940 how is your

00:21:34.780 wife

00:21:35.480 you know

00:21:35.960 Africa has gone 1.00

00:21:36.820 two three years

00:21:38.640 without a baby

00:21:39.580 they will start

00:21:40.400 questioning

00:21:40.820 have you gone

00:21:41.820 to the hospital

00:21:42.400 what's happening

00:21:43.260 what's need

00:21:44.800 you know

00:21:45.300 and even some

00:21:46.500 people go to

00:21:47.000 the shrines

00:21:48.340 as girls

00:21:50.380 what's wrong

00:21:51.240 with me

00:21:51.760 because of the

00:21:52.740 shrine

00:21:53.060 maybe the

00:21:54.280 spirits

00:21:55.140 are against me

00:21:56.100 so that helps

00:21:57.380 that we appreciate

00:21:58.420 life

00:21:58.820 the African

00:22:00.220 culture

00:22:00.680 appreciates life

00:22:01.720 and wants

00:22:02.540 this life

00:22:04.340 to continue

00:22:04.860 to multiply

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00:22:31.900 Our Lady of

00:22:35.780 Fatima

00:22:36.080 now you're here

00:22:37.700 in the middle

00:22:38.040 of Africa

00:22:38.460 but you know

00:22:39.560 Our Lady of

00:22:40.040 Fatima

00:22:40.340 and there's a

00:22:41.380 devotion here

00:22:42.460 and you yourself

00:22:43.400 I think you have

00:22:43.840 a devotion to

00:22:44.340 Our Lady of

00:22:44.720 Fatima

00:22:44.960 is that right?

00:22:45.600 I've been there

00:22:46.200 and there's

00:22:46.720 a devotion here

00:22:47.400 yeah

00:22:47.960 so it's a

00:22:49.320 beautiful thing

00:22:50.100 I mean the

00:22:50.820 Catholic Church

00:22:51.280 is very

00:22:51.880 international

00:22:53.980 you know

00:22:55.460 we go

00:22:56.260 and I was

00:22:56.760 seeing in a

00:22:57.360 car here

00:22:58.280 a picture

00:22:59.740 of Our Lady

00:23:00.540 of Guadalupe

00:23:01.100 and you know

00:23:03.160 it's funny

00:23:03.760 because we're

00:23:04.300 so far away

00:23:04.980 from Guadalupe

00:23:05.580 we're so far

00:23:06.620 away from

00:23:07.020 Fatima

00:23:07.360 but here

00:23:08.920 and everywhere

00:23:10.460 in the church

00:23:11.000 it's a melding

00:23:12.600 of the different

00:23:14.040 traditions

00:23:14.520 from different

00:23:15.040 places

00:23:15.420 all over the

00:23:15.840 place

00:23:16.020 tell us about

00:23:17.240 Our Lady of

00:23:18.720 Fatima

00:23:18.960 and the

00:23:19.520 devotion here

00:23:19.940 in the

00:23:20.100 diocese

00:23:21.080 in Africa

00:23:24.560 Africans

00:23:25.160 especially

00:23:25.860 here in

00:23:26.540 Uganda

00:23:26.980 mother is

00:23:28.060 very important

00:23:28.580 to people

00:23:29.660 I don't know

00:23:32.560 whether

00:23:32.800 because of

00:23:33.740 the character

00:23:34.240 of man

00:23:34.820 the personality

00:23:35.320 of man

00:23:35.780 that

00:23:36.100 a father

00:23:37.380 would be

00:23:37.700 associated

00:23:38.200 with hard

00:23:38.840 work

00:23:39.300 encouraging

00:23:41.740 the child

00:23:42.160 to be

00:23:42.540 in proper

00:23:43.020 behavior

00:23:43.540 and

00:23:44.700 the father

00:23:47.840 is the person

00:23:49.400 who should

00:23:49.860 give punishment

00:23:53.200 to the child

00:23:53.980 and the mother

00:23:55.140 is there

00:23:55.540 to ensure

00:23:56.480 that there's

00:23:57.500 peace in the

00:23:58.820 family

00:23:59.200 the children

00:24:00.280 are okay

00:24:00.860 they are not

00:24:01.440 sick

00:24:01.860 they are happy

00:24:04.280 and you know

00:24:05.840 children would

00:24:06.860 just

00:24:07.280 naturally

00:24:08.100 run to the

00:24:09.140 mother

00:24:09.380 so when

00:24:10.940 the missionaries

00:24:11.520 came here

00:24:12.140 they showed

00:24:14.300 us

00:24:14.580 Jesus Christ

00:24:15.360 yes

00:24:15.780 but they also

00:24:16.640 showed us

00:24:17.120 the mother

00:24:17.540 and they wanted

00:24:18.640 us to appreciate

00:24:19.360 that mother

00:24:19.960 mother Mary

00:24:20.620 you do notice

00:24:22.980 that in the

00:24:24.000 first

00:24:24.780 churches

00:24:27.200 or missionaries

00:24:27.960 built

00:24:28.360 or parishes

00:24:30.180 especially by

00:24:32.020 the missionaries

00:24:32.560 of Africa

00:24:33.060 the white fathers 0.56

00:24:34.000 would build

00:24:34.980 a church here

00:24:35.680 but at the

00:24:36.860 other side

00:24:37.360 they put

00:24:37.800 the chapel

00:24:38.700 of mother

00:24:39.160 Mary

00:24:39.520 to show

00:24:40.920 that

00:24:41.160 the people

00:24:42.260 at the beginning

00:24:42.760 appreciated

00:24:45.560 that they would

00:24:47.200 go to mother 0.94

00:24:47.760 Mary

00:24:48.140 and pray

00:24:49.260 and we

00:24:50.980 have

00:24:51.300 so many

00:24:55.500 places

00:24:56.100 that people

00:24:57.360 go to

00:24:57.900 and they

00:24:58.940 say

00:24:59.260 their rosaries

00:25:00.660 and they

00:25:02.560 come in

00:25:03.000 groups

00:25:03.400 to say

00:25:04.620 rosaries

00:25:05.100 to recite

00:25:06.060 the rosaries

00:25:06.540 together

00:25:07.000 as Catholics

00:25:08.200 even those

00:25:09.920 who are not

00:25:10.360 Catholics

00:25:10.840 have embraced

00:25:12.000 they have

00:25:13.180 come

00:25:13.520 and say

00:25:14.320 can you

00:25:15.240 say a rosary

00:25:15.840 for me

00:25:16.240 recite

00:25:16.620 prayer

00:25:17.020 for me

00:25:17.500 can I

00:25:18.420 take

00:25:18.660 this

00:25:18.860 and they

00:25:19.380 do

00:25:19.640 some

00:25:20.020 of them

00:25:20.340 do

00:25:20.600 indeed

00:25:21.360 recite

00:25:21.860 the rosary

00:25:23.080 that

00:25:23.840 anything

00:25:24.780 to do

00:25:25.120 with

00:25:25.260 mother

00:25:25.500 Mary

00:25:25.860 we

00:25:26.980 would

00:25:27.280 you

00:25:27.640 just

00:25:27.880 run

00:25:28.120 and do

00:25:28.480 it

00:25:28.680 if

00:25:29.060 people

00:25:29.360 had

00:25:29.580 the

00:25:30.360 money

00:25:30.660 if

00:25:32.120 you

00:25:32.240 guarantee

00:25:32.520 the

00:25:32.840 money

00:25:33.040 to

00:25:33.260 go

00:25:33.420 to

00:25:33.560 Fatima

00:25:33.940 they

00:25:35.420 would

00:25:35.640 find

00:25:36.420 millions

00:25:37.060 of

00:25:37.460 them

00:25:37.700 going

00:25:38.180 to

00:25:38.360 La

00:25:38.560 Fatima

00:25:38.900 because

00:25:39.880 they

00:25:40.420 will

00:25:41.120 know

00:25:41.300 Mother

00:25:41.620 Mary

00:25:42.000 listens

00:25:43.120 and

00:25:43.820 Mother

00:25:44.060 Mary

00:25:44.360 helps

00:25:44.680 them

00:25:44.940 to

00:25:45.560 reach

00:25:45.800 Jesus

00:25:46.140 Christ

00:25:46.640 for

00:25:47.760 favors

00:25:48.300 but

00:25:48.860 also

00:25:49.260 because

00:25:50.740 of

00:25:51.080 praise

00:25:53.780 for us

00:25:54.200 that we

00:25:54.560 may be

00:25:54.940 holy

00:25:55.240 and

00:25:56.160 reject

00:25:56.700 sin

00:25:57.060 so

00:25:58.120 anything

00:25:59.280 to

00:25:59.620 do

00:25:59.840 with

00:26:00.020 Mary

00:26:00.740 appearance

00:26:02.180 either

00:26:04.080 in

00:26:04.280 Fatima

00:26:04.740 or

00:26:05.380 Lourdes

00:26:05.860 or

00:26:06.500 Gadalope

00:26:07.020 or

00:26:07.740 even

00:26:08.100 Chibaho

00:26:10.220 here in

00:26:11.960 Africa

00:26:12.420 in

00:26:13.740 Ugandans 1.00

00:26:14.260 right now

00:26:15.600 poor as

00:26:17.100 they are

00:26:17.560 make

00:26:18.420 programs

00:26:18.860 to

00:26:19.380 Chibaho

00:26:19.880 and

00:26:20.060 some

00:26:20.400 do it

00:26:23.060 even

00:26:23.360 often

00:26:23.740 I've

00:26:24.020 got

00:26:24.220 a

00:26:25.380 friend

00:26:25.800 who

00:26:26.000 is

00:26:26.240 a

00:26:26.740 70-day

00:26:27.280 Adventist

00:26:27.980 those

00:26:28.860 are

00:26:29.020 strong

00:26:29.440 people

00:26:30.040 who

00:26:30.280 are

00:26:30.480 against

00:26:30.960 going

00:26:33.380 through

00:26:33.700 another

00:26:34.100 person

00:26:34.520 to

00:26:34.960 go

00:26:35.100 to

00:26:35.260 reach

00:26:35.640 to

00:26:35.800 God

00:26:36.080 but

00:26:36.600 he

00:26:36.800 has

00:26:37.440 visited

00:26:37.760 Chibaho

00:26:38.260 not

00:26:39.300 as

00:26:39.660 a

00:26:40.580 person

00:26:41.720 who

00:26:41.880 is

00:26:41.920 going

00:26:42.040 to

00:26:42.200 spy

00:26:42.580 but

00:26:43.600 to

00:26:44.680 also

00:26:45.540 feel

00:26:45.960 the

00:26:46.520 touch

00:26:47.480 of

00:26:47.880 Mother

00:26:48.140 Mary

00:26:48.500 in

00:26:49.240 his

00:26:49.420 life

00:26:49.740 and

00:26:50.320 he

00:26:50.420 has

00:26:50.500 told

00:26:50.680 me

00:26:50.860 this

00:26:51.160 now

00:26:51.900 when

00:26:52.080 it

00:26:52.140 comes

00:26:52.360 to

00:26:52.540 the

00:26:52.700 Fatima

00:26:53.120 yes

00:26:53.980 we

00:26:54.460 have

00:26:56.960 had

00:26:57.200 books

00:26:57.580 and

00:26:57.960 read

00:26:58.180 books

00:26:58.520 and

00:26:58.780 have

00:26:58.940 stories

00:26:59.360 of

00:26:59.580 this

00:26:59.800 that

00:27:00.500 people

00:27:01.080 here

00:27:02.080 have

00:27:02.480 said

00:27:03.560 yes

00:27:03.980 Fatima

00:27:04.880 Mother

00:27:05.260 of

00:27:05.820 Fatima

00:27:06.320 is

00:27:07.020 for

00:27:07.240 us

00:27:07.560 for

00:27:07.960 us

00:27:08.140 sinners

00:27:08.480 but

00:27:09.060 also

00:27:09.340 for

00:27:09.580 us

00:27:09.880 so

00:27:11.000 that

00:27:11.180 we

00:27:11.340 may

00:27:11.460 be

00:27:11.620 happy

00:27:11.860 and

00:27:12.120 peaceful

00:27:12.480 but

00:27:12.860 especially

00:27:13.240 that

00:27:13.880 we

00:27:14.040 may

00:27:14.240 be

00:27:14.960 holy

00:27:15.400 in

00:27:15.860 heaven

00:27:16.200 when

00:27:17.720 they

00:27:17.900 hear

00:27:18.160 what

00:27:18.700 is

00:27:18.860 done

00:27:19.240 that

00:27:19.700 in

00:27:20.560 Fatima

00:27:21.040 people

00:27:21.460 go

00:27:21.740 there

00:27:22.020 and

00:27:22.400 mortify

00:27:25.320 themselves

00:27:25.940 do

00:27:27.900 all kinds

00:27:28.260 of

00:27:28.420 things

00:27:28.860 they

00:27:30.060 see

00:27:32.320 the

00:27:32.500 pictures

00:27:32.880 of

00:27:33.900 people

00:27:34.340 not

00:27:35.560 Africans

00:27:36.060 but

00:27:36.340 whites

00:27:36.760 young

00:27:37.460 people

00:27:37.760 and

00:27:37.940 old

00:27:38.140 people

00:27:38.540 doing

00:27:39.900 this

00:27:40.080 kind

00:27:40.400 of

00:27:40.600 thing

00:27:40.780 mortification 0.77

00:27:41.340 we

00:27:43.260 have

00:27:43.680 that

00:27:43.860 attachment

00:27:44.300 in

00:27:44.800 my

00:27:45.200 diocese

00:27:46.160 we've

00:27:46.440 got

00:27:46.720 especially

00:27:47.260 one

00:27:47.660 parish

00:27:48.080 that

00:27:48.920 is

00:27:49.080 named

00:27:49.300 after

00:27:49.760 our

00:27:50.640 lady

00:27:50.840 of

00:27:51.000 Fatima

00:27:51.420 called

00:27:52.100 Nakurabi

00:27:52.620 and

00:27:53.240 we've

00:27:53.440 got

00:27:53.760 devotion

00:27:55.540 there

00:27:55.920 and

00:27:56.920 regular

00:27:57.380 prayers

00:27:58.920 that

00:28:01.300 especially

00:28:01.960 months

00:28:02.540 of

00:28:03.240 May

00:28:03.460 and

00:28:03.580 October

00:28:03.960 where

00:28:04.480 people

00:28:04.740 go

00:28:05.080 they

00:28:06.140 can't

00:28:06.360 go

00:28:06.540 to

00:28:06.820 Fatima

00:28:08.440 of

00:28:09.000 Europe

00:28:09.360 or

00:28:10.240 Portugal

00:28:10.600 but

00:28:10.820 they

00:28:10.940 come

00:28:11.160 to

00:28:11.380 the

00:28:11.520 Fatima

00:28:11.920 of

00:28:12.740 Nakurabi

00:28:13.340 parish

00:28:13.780 beautiful

00:28:15.000 beautiful

00:28:15.880 so

00:28:18.000 formally

00:28:18.480 I want

00:28:18.780 to

00:28:18.880 just

00:28:19.080 thank

00:28:19.340 you

00:28:19.560 on

00:28:20.380 behalf

00:28:20.880 of

00:28:21.060 Lifestite

00:28:21.420 News

00:28:21.720 all of

00:28:22.140 our

00:28:22.280 viewers

00:28:22.600 who

00:28:22.920 just

00:28:23.440 they're

00:28:24.460 so

00:28:24.700 appreciative

00:28:25.200 of

00:28:25.980 the

00:28:26.840 strength

00:28:27.200 that

00:28:27.420 Uganda

00:28:27.700 has

00:28:28.120 and

00:28:28.360 the

00:28:28.500 church

00:28:28.740 here

00:28:29.020 for

00:28:29.780 standing

00:28:30.200 up

00:28:30.500 to

00:28:30.960 this

00:28:31.320 juggernaut

00:28:32.280 that

00:28:32.580 for

00:28:33.580 us

00:28:33.780 has

00:28:33.940 been

00:28:34.120 so

00:28:34.560 so

00:28:34.860 difficult

00:28:35.280 we

00:28:36.300 really

00:28:36.580 hope

00:28:36.960 that

00:28:37.400 your

00:28:37.640 voice

00:28:38.040 the

00:28:38.620 voice

00:28:38.840 of

00:28:38.940 the

00:28:39.060 church

00:28:39.360 here

00:28:40.720 in

00:28:41.000 Africa

00:28:41.300 might

00:28:41.560 spread

00:28:42.000 to

00:28:42.880 America

00:28:43.760 to

00:28:44.480 the

00:28:44.680 West

00:28:44.980 and

00:28:45.640 hopefully

00:28:45.980 give

00:28:46.260 us

00:28:46.440 courage

00:28:46.860 thank

00:28:47.560 you

00:28:47.680 for

00:28:47.840 coming

00:28:48.180 and

00:28:48.480 thank

00:28:49.500 you

00:28:49.600 for

00:28:49.720 this

00:28:49.900 good

00:28:50.120 work

00:28:50.340 that

00:28:50.560 you

00:28:50.720 do

00:28:50.880 that

00:28:51.140 you

00:28:51.380 bring

00:28:53.000 awareness

00:28:53.420 to

00:28:53.620 the

00:28:53.760 people

00:28:54.060 of

00:28:54.620 those

00:28:55.700 who

00:28:55.860 are not

00:28:56.020 informed

00:28:56.400 those

00:28:56.960 who

00:28:57.100 do

00:28:57.240 not

00:28:57.460 know

00:28:57.760 those

00:28:58.540 who

00:28:58.660 think

00:28:59.000 that

00:28:59.260 Africans

00:28:59.800 can

00:29:00.280 just

00:29:00.600 take

00:29:00.880 whatever

00:29:01.220 they

00:29:01.420 like

00:29:01.700 whatever

00:29:02.600 is

00:29:02.880 given

00:29:03.100 to

00:29:03.300 them

00:29:03.520 those

00:29:04.240 who

00:29:04.360 think

00:29:04.580 that

00:29:04.780 Africans

00:29:05.180 are

00:29:05.440 not

00:29:05.680 like

00:29:07.780 they

00:29:09.760 don't

00:29:10.600 know

00:29:10.780 anything

00:29:11.340 let

00:29:13.000 them

00:29:13.160 be

00:29:13.400 aware

00:29:13.700 that

00:29:13.940 Africans

00:29:14.320 appreciate

00:29:14.900 life

00:29:15.280 and

00:29:16.380 embrace

00:29:16.760 life

00:29:17.180 and

00:29:18.360 embrace

00:29:18.820 life

00:29:19.140 as

00:29:19.380 God

00:29:19.600 created

00:29:20.120 it

00:29:20.380 and

00:29:20.560 give

00:29:20.740 it

00:29:20.860 to

00:29:20.980 us

00:29:21.300 and

00:29:22.760 encouraging

00:29:23.820 people

00:29:24.600 to pray

00:29:24.980 because

00:29:25.200 this

00:29:25.380 the devil

00:29:25.840 the devil

00:29:27.100 has

00:29:27.400 invaded

00:29:28.180 the society

00:29:28.860 and

00:29:30.100 who can

00:29:30.640 fight

00:29:30.900 the devil

00:29:31.340 but

00:29:31.580 God

00:29:31.840 himself

00:29:32.680 who has

00:29:33.000 got

00:29:33.180 the energy

00:29:33.660 the power

00:29:34.100 to do it

00:29:34.720 has got

00:29:35.420 the authority

00:29:35.920 to stop

00:29:36.740 the devil

00:29:37.200 so let

00:29:38.080 Jesus

00:29:38.400 help

00:29:38.760 us

00:29:39.200 and

00:29:39.840 one

00:29:40.040 way

00:29:40.220 of

00:29:40.320 doing

00:29:40.560 it

00:29:40.760 as

00:29:40.920 mother

00:29:41.200 Mary

00:29:41.420 is

00:29:41.560 telling

00:29:41.800 us

00:29:42.120 is

00:29:42.520 to

00:29:42.680 pray

00:29:43.000 let

00:29:43.780 us

00:29:44.060 all

00:29:44.540 go

00:29:44.760 to

00:29:44.960 prayer

00:29:45.220 and

00:29:46.020 encourage

00:29:46.380 those

00:29:46.720 who

00:29:46.920 are

00:29:47.100 able

00:29:47.280 to

00:29:47.480 pray

00:29:47.720 to

00:29:47.900 do

00:29:48.100 it

00:29:48.300 we

00:29:48.960 thank

00:29:49.180 you

00:29:49.260 for

00:29:49.380 the

00:29:49.520 support

00:29:49.840 that

00:29:50.080 you

00:29:50.200 give

00:29:50.580 and

00:29:51.740 when

00:29:52.280 you

00:29:52.440 see

00:29:52.740 people

00:29:53.520 from

00:29:53.880 developed

00:29:54.840 countries

00:29:55.240 like

00:29:55.560 you

00:29:55.820 coming

00:29:57.200 to

00:29:57.540 encourage

00:29:58.700 us

00:29:58.980 to do

00:29:59.260 this

00:29:59.580 we

00:30:00.580 get

00:30:01.760 courage

00:30:02.120 we

00:30:02.340 get

00:30:02.900 stronger

00:30:03.580 that

00:30:04.280 we

00:30:04.440 continue

00:30:05.420 and

00:30:05.800 we

00:30:05.920 know

00:30:06.120 that

00:30:06.380 we

00:30:06.860 have

00:30:07.000 allies

00:30:07.520 we

00:30:08.020 have

00:30:08.140 people

00:30:08.460 with

00:30:09.600 whom

00:30:09.820 we

00:30:09.940 can

00:30:10.160 journey

00:30:10.900 for

00:30:12.380 this

00:30:12.580 success

00:30:13.040 thank

00:30:13.760 you

00:30:13.960 thank

00:30:14.480 you

00:30:14.740 would

00:30:15.160 you

00:30:15.260 mind

00:30:15.440 giving

00:30:15.640 us

00:30:15.820 your

00:30:15.940 blessing

00:30:16.200 please

00:30:16.580 hail

00:30:18.480 Mary

00:30:18.900 for

00:30:19.400 grace

00:30:19.860 the

00:30:20.060 Lord

00:30:20.220 is

00:30:20.420 you

00:30:20.660 blessed

00:30:21.000 among

00:30:21.280 us

00:30:21.480 to

00:30:21.560 many

00:30:21.740 blessed

00:30:22.060 the

00:30:22.200 Lord

00:30:22.440 Jesus

00:30:22.780 Holy

00:30:23.380 Mary

00:30:23.720 God

00:30:24.320 praise

00:30:24.740 sinners

00:30:25.220 now

00:30:25.720 and at

00:30:26.020 the

00:30:26.120 hour

00:30:26.300 of

00:30:26.420 our

00:30:26.560 death

00:30:26.760 Amen

00:30:27.140 the

00:30:29.360 Lord

00:30:29.540 be

00:30:29.700 with

00:30:29.920 you

00:30:30.160 and

00:30:30.500 with

00:30:30.660 your

00:30:30.820 spirit

00:30:31.140 the

00:30:31.300 Father

00:30:32.940 and

00:30:33.500 the

00:30:33.680 Son

00:30:33.980 and

00:30:34.400 the

00:30:34.520 Holy

00:30:34.680 Spirit

00:30:35.180 Amen

00:31:04.680 Shalom 0.64

00:31:05.680 to

00:31:06.620 the

00:31:07.560 Lord

00:31:10.620 His

00:31:11.840 warm

00:31:12.580 CHOIR SINGS 0.64

00:31:42.580 CHOIR SINGS 0.64

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The John-Henry Westen Show - February 13, 2023

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