558. The Meaning Of： Snow White
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Fertility suppression is the suppression of female reproductive ability by dominant females in social groups. It's a phenomenon that's been described by primatologists since the 19th century, and is still discussed to this day. In this episode, I discuss the role of the evil queen in the Grimm Brothers' classic, Snow White.
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I'm going to try something somewhat new today. I'm going to read you the Grimm's Brothers
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version of Snow White. I picked that because I think I have some interesting insights into its
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meaning, but I also chose it because it's been the target of ideologically oriented rewriting,
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most famously recently in the case of Disney, who produced what's essentially a very poor movie
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that was also a commercial flop by carelessly restructuring a story that either the makers
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of the film didn't understand or understood all too well and decided to mess with for
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underground reasons of their own. I suspect a little of column A and a little of column B.
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I'm going to concentrate a fair bit on the figure of the evil queen, not least because
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there's no shortage of evil queen manifestation in the current social and political environment.
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And I'm going to draw on a body of research that has been conducted primarily by primatologists,
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scientists who study non-human primates, given that human beings are primates as well.
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The field of inquiry is called fertility suppression, and it is the marked tendency of higher status
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female primates to suppress the probability that subordinates in their group will successfully mate
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and bring offspring into the world. I think that the evil queen, in no small part, is a reflection
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of observations of fertility suppression. People started studying fertility suppression in primates
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because of the observation that in many primate species, dominant females exhibit higher reproductive
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success compared to their subordinate counterparts.
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So, one thing you have to understand about social animals, and this is particularly true of primates
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because they're hyper-social, social animals live in a tiered society, and there are marked
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differences in the life and success of those who are uppermost in the social hierarchy compared
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to those who are barely clinging to the bottom, let's say. And scientists who are interested in the
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differential reproductive success of high-status females compared to low-status females started to
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investigate the possibility that the higher status or dominant females were actively engaging in
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strategies that undermined the ability of the subordinates to find a mate and to reproduce.
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Why would they do that? Well, perhaps they do that psychologically speaking, you might say,
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just for the sheer sadistic fun of it, but from a broader evolutionary perspective,
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the purpose is to maximize the probability of their own reproductive success, their own success
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of finding a mate and also leaving their genes to propagate into the succeeding generations.
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How would they do that? The mechanism of fundamental interest for our purposes, given its psychological
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significance, is that social stress, often imposed by dominant individuals, can elevate stress hormones,
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cortisol, for example, in subordinates, disrupting their hormonal cycles and leading to delayed
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ovulation or reduced fertility. Females use reputation-savaging and exclusion, gossip, innuendo,
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and, well, and as I said, social isolation. And those are all ways of lowering comparative status. That's
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what gossip will do, for example, in reputation-savaging, whereas exclusion is more directly and intensely
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stressful. So here's some examples from non-human primates with regard to mechanisms of fertility
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suppression. For example, in baboons, a particularly aggressive and vicious species, dominant females
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may physically intimidate subordinates to maintain their reproductive advantage. In species such as
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marmosets, dominant females actually emit pheromones that directly inhibit ovarian activity,
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in subordinate females preventing them from cycling or conceiving. By monopolizing food,
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mates, or safe nesting sites, dominant females limit subordinates' ability to sustain pregnancies
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or raise offspring, as seen in some tamarind groups. The suppression is often temporary and context-dependent,
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lifting if the subordinate's status improves or she leaves the group. The goal is clear,
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to prioritize the dominant females' offspring by reducing competition for resources and care.
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Okay, here's some potential examples among human beings. In certain human societies,
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dominant females, often older women or those with higher social status, exert influence over the
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reproductive choice of subordinates. Examples include control over marriage. In some cultures,
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older women, e.g. mothers-in-law, dictate when and whom younger women marry, delaying or restricting
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their reproductive opportunities. Dominant women may enforce norms that discourage subordinate
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females from reproducing at certain times, such as stigmatizing early pregnancies or pressuring women
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to prioritize education or work over family. This social exclusion parallels the stress-induced
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suppression seen in primates, though it's mediated by culture rather than biology. In modern contexts,
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dominant females in positions of power, such as corporate leaders or senior academics, may create
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environments that indirectly suppress the fertility of subordinate women. So here's a thought. You know,
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one of the things I've wondered about for years, how the radical progressive elite feminists can
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simultaneously criticize capitalism, yet insist that there's no higher priority for young women
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than to organize their lives around a career. Well, if you want an explanation, fertility suppression
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by elites with regard to subordinate women foolish enough to listen to such advice certainly constitutes a
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explanatory hypothesis, and it's a brutal one. Now, with that background firmly in mind, I'm going to read
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you the original version of Snow White. So, a little background on the Brothers Grimm. Jacob and Wilhelm,
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they lived, Jacob lived from 1785 to 1863 and Wilhelm from 1786 to 1859. They were German scholars
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and linguists, renowned for their collection of fairy tales. Their most famous work, Children's and
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Household Tales, was first published in 1812, and it included stories that everyone knows, such as
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Cinderella, Snow White, and Hansel and Gretel. The collection was not a one-time effort. The brothers
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revised and expanded it over the years, cementing its place as a cultural treasure. They aimed to
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safeguard German folklore amid a growing interest in national identity. At a time when Germany was a
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collection of disparate states, the brothers believed that traditional stories reflected the spirit of the
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German people and preserved their ancient wisdom. As scholars, they saw fairy tales as a lens to explore
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the evolution of language and narrative, contributing to their broader academic interests in
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philology. They gathered stories from diverse sources, including oral tales told by local storytellers,
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often women, and existing written folklore. Rather than simply recording the tales verbatim,
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they edited and adapted them to suit their literary style and to appeal to a wider audience, including
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children. Okay, so a few comments about the brothers Grimm. It's been a contention of mine for some
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decades and a cornerstone of my work that our consciousness is structured in the same manner as
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a story. In fact, I think you can make a very strong case, I believe an incontrovertible case, that
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what a story is, is a verbal description of the framing of conscious experience. Now, what that implies
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at a very deep level is that for diverse individuals to organize themselves into a culture, they have to
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develop a mechanism such that their consciousness is framed in a similar manner so that they pursue
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similar goals, they have two similar goals, they have similar values, and they experience similar
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emotions. The only way to do that, as far as I can tell, is to provide a foundation of shared narrative.
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And so the Grimm brothers were particularly perspicacious in their insistence that shared narratives
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define a culture. A culture is a group of people who not only know but inhabit the same stories.
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Now, it turns out that much of the Brothers Grimm work has provided a foundation for some of the unity
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of our culture such as it is. Now, what would you expect folklore passed down
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from generation to generation, often for periods of time that can exceed 10,000 years? What would
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you expect such stories to concentrate on? Well, they have to be highly memorable, which means they
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have to adapt themselves to the structure of human memory. They have to be compelling and interesting.
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And all of that points to the likelihood that they're describing realities that are unchanging and that
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are so necessary that their explication automatically grips interest and embeds itself in memory.
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Okay, so with all that, we can turn to the fairy tale itself. Little Snow White.
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Once upon a time in the middle of winter, when snowflakes were falling like feathers from the sky,
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a beautiful queen was sitting and sewing at a window with a black ebony frame.
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So why a beautiful queen? Well, the same evolutionary psychologists, evolutionary biologists have also
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done intensive work, and I would refer you in particular to the work of David Buss, on outlining the
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evidence that female beauty in particular, which has a pronounced sexual element, is highly associated
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with markers of fertility. Youth, waist-to-hip ratio, symmetry, a feature, which is a very good indicator,
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by the way, of underlying genetic integrity. Butterflies, which are quite stunningly beautiful,
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can detect deviations from symmetry in a potential mate at less than one part in a million.
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And much of the beauty of butterflies is actually a consequence of sexual selection.
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I saw an amazing butterfly. I don't remember the species. With its wings closed, it looks exactly
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like a leaf, which is a consequence of natural selection. And then with its wings open, it has
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the beauty, the colorful beauty, and symmetrical patterning and shaping that's characteristic, more
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What's the biological significance of beauty? Well, insofar as it's associated with symmetry,
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for example, it is a marker, as I said, of biological integrity. If there are mishaps during
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psychophysiological development, one way those mishaps make themselves manifest to perception is in
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marked deviations from bodily symmetry. Many of the markers that we associate with female beauty and
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that females compete to make manifest are markers of biological fertility, waist-to-hip ratio, which is
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a stable marker for female attractiveness with the optimal ratio being 0.68 across cultures. And that's
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independent, by the way, of body size. So you can have women who carry more body fat and women who
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carry less body fat being equal in terms of their waist-to-hip ratio attractiveness as long as it
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makes itself manifest at approximately 0.68. So the fact that the queen is beautiful, you see,
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is directly associated with the issue of fertility and fertility suppression because the first
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indication we have of her nature, the nature of her being, is that she's beautiful. And so the
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simplest explanation for that is young and fertile. A beautiful queen was sitting and sewing at a window
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with a black ebony frame as she was sewing and looking out the window at the snow. She pricked her finger
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with the needle and three drops of blood fell on the snow. The red looked so beautiful on the white snow that
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she thought to herself, if only I had a child as white as snow, as red as blood, and as black as the wood of the
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window frame. Soon thereafter, she gave birth to a little daughter who was white as snow, as red as blood, and her hair
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as black as ebony. That's why the child was called little snow white. Well, what are those, why are those
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colors relevant? Well, black, white, and red are the three colors most likely to be given color names across
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cultures. And so there are no more directly perceptible colors than black, white, and red. And then red is
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associated, let's say, with the apple, as we'll see later in the story. But there are, like, reddening of
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tissue is also associated with both youth and with sexual excitation. And so women, for example, put
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lipstick on their lips and rouge their cheeks to mimic both youth and fecundity, but also to mimic
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sexual excitation. The queen was the most beautiful woman in the entire land, and very proud about her
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Pride, you know, is the cardinal sin, you might say. It's pride that is the fundamental character of
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characteristic of Lucifer, the usurping spirit. You can think of the Luciferian spirit as the
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individual or the proclivity of the individual to elevate themselves to the highest possible position.
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I'll give you an example. When Eve is tempted by the serpent to eat the apple, which, or the fruit,
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it's not described as an apple in the Genesis story, but it has become that by tradition, which is relevant
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to this story. The serpent, who's camouflaged, by the way, like female aggression, tells Eve that if she eats
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this particular fruit, which means if she consumes it and incorporates it and takes it into herself,
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becomes it, you might say, that she'll become like God, knowing good and evil. What does that mean?
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Establishing the moral order. And so Eve eats the fruit offered to her by the serpent so that she can
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take the place of God can take the place of God and define the moral order. And that's partly why the serpent
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in the Genesis story becomes associated, as the mythology develops, with Lucifer, the usurping intellect, who
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attempts to take the place of the divine. That's all associated with the idea of pride. Pride is the vice that
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says, what I want now, I in the most narrow possible way, or what my whims want now, should be superordinate
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to all other concerns. The pride that the evil queen takes in her beauty is the taking to herself of a
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talent that was given to her by providence, let's say, by taking that to herself as a virtue that confers
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special privileges and benefits on her as an isolated individual. What would the alternative be?
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She could be extraordinarily grateful for her beauty and self-effacing and kind and self-sacrificing.
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That would make her the good queen rather than the evil queen. She also had a mirror, and every morning
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she stepped in front of it and asked, mirror, mirror on the wall, who in this land is fairest of all?
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The mirror would answer, you, my queen, are the fairest of all. Okay, well, what's a mirror? A mirror is a
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place for self-reflection, but it's also a place of intense self-consciousness, right? When you look in
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a mirror and you recognize yourself in the mirror, you are self-conscious. In fact, self-recognition in
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a mirror is a marker used by biologists to determine the presence or absence of self-consciousness
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in animals. So, to look in a mirror is to become self-conscious. Okay, so what's the problem with that?
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Well, psychologists have known for decades that the experience of self-consciousness is so tightly
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associated with negative emotion that they're statistically indistinguishable. So, when the
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theorists who created the big five personality map, five-dimensional personality map, extroversion,
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neuroticism, conscientiousness, agreeableness, and openness, which is a creativity dimension,
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when they first laid out that map, they noticed that their statistical inquiries indicated that
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being self-conscious was so tightly associated with trait neuroticism, which is the proclivity for
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anxiety, pain, grief, shame, guilt, frustration, disappointment, and anger, among other negative
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emotions. It was so tightly associated with negative emotion that it was statistically indistinguishable.
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So, we should note that the queen's pride, in combination with her pronounced proclivity for
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self-consciousness, is destined to make her miserable, and that the pathway from misery to
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bitter, to bitterness, and from bitterness to sadistic, what would you say, sadistic revenge and envy,
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that's a very short journey? So, mirror, mirror on the wall, who in this land is fairest of all?
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The mirror would answer, you, my queen, are the fairest of all. So, she staked her identity on her
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beauty. She staked her identity on her youth. She staked her identity on her competitiveness,
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you might say, in the mating and reproduction market. You know, and that's, I suppose, to some
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degree, that's developmentally appropriate for a very young woman whose primary, what, whose primary
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orientation in the world could well be finding a partner and pursuing the reproductive pathway,
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having children, worshipping that and developing pride in it, and then maintaining it past its due
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date, and then using it to suppress fertility in others, especially your own children, that starts
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to deviate into the pathological. Look, part of the reason that human beings have the lifespan they
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have, which basically allows us to be grandparents, is that it's useful for young people who are raising
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children to have their parents around to pass on some wisdom about how to manage this. But it's also
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the case that it's inappropriate for grandmothers to compete with their daughters on the sexual
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attractiveness front, if that's done in a manner that undermines and supplants the younger
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woman. So that's all background for this story. You, my queen, are the fairest of all. And then she
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knew for certain that there was nobody more beautiful in the entire world. However, little Snow White grew
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up, and when she was seven years old, she was so beautiful that her beauty surpassed even that of the
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queen. And when the queen asked her mirror, mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the fairest of them all,
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the mirror answered, you, my queen, may have a beauty quite rare, but little Snow White is a thousand
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times more fair. When the queen heard the mirror speak this way, she became pale with envy. And from
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that hour onward, she hated Snow White. And when she looked at her and thought that little Snow White
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was to blame, that she, the queen, was no longer the most beautiful woman in the world, her heart turned
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against little Snow White. Okay, so what's the problem with that? Well, one of the things that
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you see in pathological families is that the parents who've made a hash of their own life
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become jealous of the unblemished possibilities and opportunities that lay themselves out in front of
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their children. And instead of encouraging their development in the world, start to regard the fact that
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they haven't been corrupted yet by laziness and spite, they start to regard that as a, they start to
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regard the contrast between that childhood potentiality and their own wasted and pathological
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lives as unbearable. And to reduce the contrast, instead of straightening the hell up so that they're
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not embarrassed in front of their children, they discourage their children from moving forward
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and encourage pathologies in them so that the competitive stress is lessened. And so that's
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exactly what the evil queen is doing here. She's now jealous of her child instead of stepping back and
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really taking second place, which is, you know, which is what a wise mother should do and would do if
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she had her true interest in mind, but also the interests of her children. You know, one of the
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tropes in teenage movies is the mom who tries too hard to be cool, let's say, to pretend that she's still
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young, to even to partake in the social hierarchy structuring of her teenage daughters, let's say,
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instead of stepping back and letting the young women have their moment, just as she had the
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opportunity, just as the mother had the opportunity to have her moment. That's part of the sacrificial
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nature of motherhood when it's undertaken appropriately, right? Because the child becomes the
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star of the show, let's say, rather than the mother. And the mother isn't trying to become
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the star through the child either. Her heart turned against little Snow White, right? What did Nietzsche
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say? We're best punished for our virtues. If you really want to hurt your child, then you find out
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what's good about them that's embarrassing you, by contrast, and then you hurt them for the existence
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of that good. That'll make you an evil queen. And so what is she like? Well, this is a very harsh part
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of the story, you see. And this is the sort of thing that modern people find upsetting and perhaps
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presume shouldn't be shared with children. But the vicious turn this story takes now is an indication
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of just how absolutely devouring and pathological this evil queen jealousy in relationship to younger
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women truly is. So this is what the mother of Snow White does to pursue her envy and pride, her usurping
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capability. Her jealousy kept upsetting her. And so she summoned her huntsman and said,
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take this child out into the forest. So out into the dark unknown to a spot far from her, then stab her to
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death. That's bad enough, I would say already, the mother who's going to kill her own child, have her
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henchmen kill her own child. But that's not as bad as it gets. And it's not sufficiently symbolically
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terrible. Because the, it's like a vampire, right? A vampire is a force of death that feeds on life to keep
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itself going when really it's already dead. The mother, the queen in this story doesn't only kill her
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daughter, she devours her. She attempts to incorporate her own vitality into herself. She's truly the devouring
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mother, truly the devouring mother. And that's a symbolic representation of maternality gone most
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pathologically wrong in the opposite direction. I mean, women, mothers literally nourish their children
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with their own bodies. Breastfeeding mothers can, their bodies can detect if their children lack calcium,
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if their infants lack calcium when they're breastfeeding, through receptors in the nipple.
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And if the child is lacking calcium, the mother will decalcify her own bones, take calcium out of
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her own bones to increase the proportion of calcium in the milk to feed to her child. And so the proper
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maternal orientation towards infants in particular, but also children, is voluntary self-sacrifice,
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right? To give, the mother gives herself up, gives herself over to the child. This is a complete
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inversion of that, where the mother becomes the devouring agent and the child is nourishment for
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the pathologies of the mother. You see plenty of that, by the way, in the modern world with
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mothers, for example, who utilize their demented identity politics with regards to their children.
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My boy is really a girl. My girl is really a boy. There's some fertility suppression. And use the
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notoriety generated by that pathologization of the child to elevate their social status among their
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idiot friends at the cost of the child's happiness, physiology, and future reproductive success.
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So no matter how brutal this story becomes, and that's what happens next, it pales in comparison
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to the truth of the pathology of the devouring mother. Take the child out into the forest to a
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spot far from here. Then stab her to death and bring me back her lungs and liver as proof of your deed.
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Lungs, that's inspiration. That's respiration. That's the resting place of the spirit. Liver? Well,
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think of the word live. The liver is the part of the body, the vital organ that can regenerate itself
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and is regarded symbolically as the seat of vitality. So it's spirit and vitality that the
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evil queen devours in consequence of her jealousy, her inappropriate jealousy of the benefits of Snow
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White's youth. After that, I'll cook them with salt and eat them. Now you think, do you tell your
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children that story? And that's a hard question because one thing you want to do if you have
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children is protect them from the evil queen. The huntsman took little Snow White and led her out
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into the forest, but when he drew his hunting knife and was about to stab her, she began to weep
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and pleaded so much to let her live and promised never to return but to run deeper into the forest.
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The huntsman was moved to pity also because she was so beautiful. Anyway, he thought the wild beasts
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in the forest would soon devour her. I'm glad that I won't have to kill her, he thought. Just then a
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young boar came dashing by and the huntsman stabbed it to death. He took out the lungs and liver and
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brought them to the queen as proof that the child was dead. Then she boiled them in salt, ate them,
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and thought she had eaten little Snow White's lungs and liver. So that's pretty damn rough.
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But now you understand its significance. Oh, this reminds me, you know, of the Disney version
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of Sleeping Beauty. Remember the evil queen in Sleeping Beauty, Maleficent, entraps the prince
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in a castle. And her goal is to keep him locked up until he's so old that he can't find a mate and
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reproduce, right? And when he dares to challenge her, she turns into the dragon that devours everything,
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right? Into the full bloody fury of nature itself in all its predatory catastrophe. And he defeats her
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with a cross on his shield and the sword of truth and advances through her, through the thorns that
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she's placed around Sleeping Beauty so that he can find the princess. And that's the story of the
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young man's heroic rejection of the destruction of his life possibility and youth by the evil queen.
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Meanwhile, little Snow White was so all alone in the huge forest that she became afraid and began to
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run and run over sharp stones and through thorn bushes. That's a typical fairy tale motif. And the
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emphasis of the story here actually shifts to Snow White because it starts to become a developmental
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story rather than a story about the evil queen. So Snow White has been moved from pathological order
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and that's the domain ruled by the evil queen. Out into the unknown. Those two things are conflated,
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you might say, because whenever you are in a situation where you are encountering the unknown,
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for example, when you're lost in a forest, when you're away from everything that brings you security
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and familiarity, you are in the unknown in unexplored territory. But that unexplored territory is going
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to be populated by the monsters of your imagination. And so any journey into the unknown is simultaneously
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a journey into the unconscious. And so what's happening here is that Snow White has left security
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and is now encountering the unknown. And that's part of the developmental trajectory. Everything we learn is
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on the border of order and chaos. Everything we learn is a step into the unknown. And so this is a radical
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initiation for Snow White. She ran the entire day. Finally, as the sun was about to set, she came upon a little
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cottage that belonged to seven dwarfs. Now, this is very interesting. So Snow White has gone, you could
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say, into the unknown or into the unconscious and quite deeply because it takes her a whole day to get
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there. And what does she discover? So this is in her own mind, you might say. This is in the, this is part
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of the landscape of possibility that presents itself to any young woman who is being persecuted by the
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forces of the evil queen, down deep into the unknown, down deep into the unconscious. Go far enough, you find
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the home of the dwarfs. Okay, so, so what are the dwarfs here? The dwarfs are ordinary, faceless, hardworking
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men. Now, in the modern Snow White story, this last travesty that Disney so catastrophically produced,
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the dwarfs are basically a mess. And that's part of the pathology of the modern world,
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which assumes that typical, faceless, ordinary, hardworking men are part of the pathological
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patriarchy and incapable of taking care of themselves. That's not the case in the Grimm Brothers
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story. The dwarfs have a perfectly functional house deep in the woods, and they're capable of taking care of
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themselves. In fact, you might think about the dwarfs as exactly that. The dwarfs are seven ordinary, hardworking
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men who've made a place in the forest of the unknown that's safe and secure and functional. And so you could think
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about the dwarfs as indicators, as representatives of the ordinary, functional patriarchy. Now, what's
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particularly interesting about that, you see, is that Snow White finds respite from the evil queen in the
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dwelling place of the ordinary man. So what does that mean? Well, it means that one of the things that
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ordinary men offer young women is protection from the pathology of fertility suppression by toxic
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older women. And given the absolute widespread pervasiveness of elite-induced fertility suppression
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in our culture, the notion that an alliance between young women and ordinary men is the protection against
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that fertility and youth-destroying pathology is a lesson well worth learning, and certainly not the
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lesson that was put forward in the most recent version of the Snow White narrative. So she ran the
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entire day. Finally, as the sun was about to set, she came upon a little cottage that belonged to seven
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dwarfs. Okay, so that happens at night too, so that's deeper into the unconscious. However, they were not at
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home, but had gone to the mines. See, as miners, you see, they descend into the depths themselves,
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and they find through their labor, treasure. And so the dwarves, you see this in mythological
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representations of dwarves, like in the Lord of the Rings, the dwarves are often heroes. They're tough.
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They're tough little guys, and they go into the darkest recesses of the bowels of the earth to find
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the glittering treasure. And so it's very appropriate to notice that these dwarves are
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good men. They're still dwarves, however. They were not at home, but had gone to the mines. Okay,
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so they're also diligent, conscientious, and hardworking. And that's reinforced by the next
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line. When little Snow White entered, she found everything tiny, but dainty and neat. Okay, so this is a
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well-tended place, right? So these are lone men who are capable of taking care of themselves and
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establishing habitable order, habitable patriarchal order, cooperative, conscientious, oriented towards
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the treasure, brave and resolute. There was a little table with a white tablecloth and seven
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little plates with seven tiny spoons, seven tiny knives and tiny forks, and seven tiny cups. In a row
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against the wall stood seven little beds, recently covered with sheets. So there, beds are made too.
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Take note, all of you who have unmade beds and still are struggling even to be dwarves.
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Since she was so hungry and thirsty, so now she gets to eat in this place of masculine provision.
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Snow White ate some vegetables and bread from each of the little plates and had a drop of wine to drink
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out of each of the tiny cups. And since she was so tired, she wanted to lay down and sleep.
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So she began trying out the beds, but none of them suited her until she found that the seventh one
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was just right. So she lay down in it and fell asleep. When it turned night, the seven dwarves
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returned home from their work and lit their seven little candles. Then they saw that someone had been
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in their house. The first dwarf said, who's been sitting in my chair? Who's eaten off my plate?
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said the second. Who's eaten some of my bread? said the third. My vegetables? said the fourth.
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Who's been using my little fork? said the fifth. Who's been cutting with my little knife? said the
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sixth. Who's had something to drink from my little cup? said the seventh. Then the first dwarf looked
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around and said, who's been sleeping in my bed? The second cried out, someone's been sleeping in my bed.
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And he was followed by each of them. Until the seventh dwarf looked at his bed and saw little
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snow white lying there asleep. The others came running over to him and they were so astounded
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that they screamed and fetched their seven little candles to observe little snow white. Oh my lord,
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they explained, how beautiful she is. They took great delight in her. Okay, well, you know, that's
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actually an indication that these are pretty decent little dwarves too. Because if they were as
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pathological as the little queen, they came across an attractive juvenile female, God only knows what
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hell could break loose, as we've seen repeatedly in places like the UK, for example. So the dwarves are
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protective of snow white and her beauty and serve a proper paternal and partnership function.
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They took great delight in her, but didn't wake her up. They let her sleep in the bed. That's very
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generous of them. They're very hospitable, which also indicates their essential morality. Well, the
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seventh dwarf spent an hour in each one of his companions' bed until the night had passed. When she
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awoke, they asked her who she was and how she had managed to come to their cottage. Then she told them
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how her mother had wanted to have her killed, how the huntsman had spared her life, and how she had run
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all day until she had eventually arrived at the cottage. Then the dwarves took pity on her and
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said, if you'll keep house for us, cook, sew, make the beds, wash and knit, and if you'll keep everything
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neat and orderly, you can stay with us and we'll provide you with everything you need. When we come
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home in the evening, dinner must be ready. During the day, we're in the mines and dig for gold. You'll be
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alone. We'll have to watch out for the queen and not let anyone enter the cottage. Okay, so what's
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the deal here? Well, Snow White has run from the destructive force of her evil mother and the most
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pathological element of nature and plunged deep into the unknown where she found the dwarves who are
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emblematic of the stable patriarchy, the stable, ordinary, productive patriarchy. Now, the deal for
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her is that she has to serve the dwarves and they'll protect her from the evil queen. So that's a pretty
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good deal given that the evil queen wants to eat her lungs and her liver, so is posing a mortal threat.
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And it's indicative of the notion that prior to finding a prince, you might say, and finding
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permanent protection from the evil queen in the form of a stable, long-term, desirable partnership,
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a marriage, the young woman threatened by the evil queen, which is the eternal archetypal situation of
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isolated young women, has to make a pact to serve ordinary masculinity, right? To partner with ordinary
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masculinity, to have respect for it, to understand its productive function, and to know that it's
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ordinary masculinity, you might say, that stops female pathology from making itself manifest as the
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ultimately destructive force it can all too easily become, right? So what's the moral of the story as
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we proceed? If you want to find a prince and escape from the evil queen, you have to serve the dwarves
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with some degree of gratitude and conscientious dedication, right? With some real emphasis on
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gratitude. And why? Well, better the dwarves than the evil queen, right? Which is exactly the opposite
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of the feminist narrative, which is that there are only power mad, pathological men, and all that's
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feminine is benevolent. It's like, yeah, right, God. In the meantime, the queen believed that she was once
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again, the most beautiful woman in the land, and stepped before her mirror and asked, mirror, mirror
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on the wall, who in this land is fairest of all? The mirror answered, you, my queen, have a beauty
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quite rare, but beyond the seven mountains, this I must tell. Little Snow White is living quite well.
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Indeed, she's still a thousand times more fair. Hmm. So what does this mean for the poor queen? Well,
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you know, at one level of analysis, the queen is battling against her own daughter, but at a
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different level of analysis, the aging woman is battling against youth itself. And even if she does
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manage to destroy her own child so happily, sadistically, and delightfully, with envy and spite,
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making themselves manifest as primary motivations aligned with pride, let's say, even if she manages
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that, she's not going to win the ultimate battle because age is always supplanted by youth. No, it's
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reproduction is a young woman's game. And so it's less intense for men, although men are more fertile when
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they're younger. But for women, youth and reproduction are intensely associated. And the battle of the
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aging woman against her own daughter is a microcosm of the battle of age against youth. And on the
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fertility front, let's say the sexual attractiveness front, as well, to a large degree, at least the
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natural sexual attractiveness front, the evil queen is not going to be able to stamp out youth itself.
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Although, you know, in cultures where the old women cover all the young women up so that you can't even
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see their eyes, the vicious battle of envious age in women against the beauty and attractiveness of
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young women has been taken to a staggering extreme, I suppose most thoroughly made manifest in the
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absolutely brutal practice of female genital mutilation, which is also, by the way, often
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undertaken by grandmothers. When the queen heard this, her mirror's objection, she was horrified, for she saw
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that she had been deceived and that the huntsman had not killed little Snow White. Since nobody but the
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seven dwarfs lived in the Seven Mountains region, the queen immediately knew that little Snow White
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was dwelling with them and began once again plotting ways to kill her. As long as the mirror refused to
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say that she was the most beautiful woman in the land, she would remain upset. Since she couldn't be
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absolutely certain and didn't trust anyone, she disguised herself as an old peddler woman, painted her face
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so that nobody could recognize her and went to the cottage of the seven dwarfs, where she knocked at
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the door and cried out, open up, open up, I'm the old peddler woman, I've got pretty wares for sale.
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Little Snow White looked out the window, what do you have for sale? Stay laces, dear child, that's a
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corset, it's a corset. The old woman replied and took out a lace woven from yellow, red and blue silk,
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do you want it? Well, yes, said little Snow White. If I remember correctly, women spend 80% of the
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consumer dollar. It's a very interesting statistic. So men might have an advantage on the earning side,
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slight, it's about 8%, something like that. And that has virtually nothing to do with prejudice against
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women, by the way, if the statistics are calculated properly. But women have a marked advantage on the
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spending side, and it's a real toss-up, who has more power, the people who make the money or the
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people who spend it? In any case, Snow White is interested in shopping, and so the old peddler woman
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has some wares for her. Now, she lets her inside. Well, yes, do you want it? Well, yes, said little
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Snow White thought, I can certainly let her. This good old woman inside, she's honest enough.
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What does she think? She just wants to make me beautiful. She just wants to do something for me.
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Okay, so little Snow White unbolted the door and bought the lace. My goodness, you're so sloppily
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laced up, said the old woman. Come on, I'll lace you up properly for once. Little Snow White stood in
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front of the old woman, who took the lace and tied it around little Snow White so tightly that she lost
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her breath and fell down as if dead. Then the queen was satisfied and left. Well, let's think about a
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corset for a minute. And so, you know, the feminist scuttlebutt is that the Victorian proclivity to
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use corsets was a imposition of the masculine superstructure. But women compete with one another
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to make manifest their signs of beauty and fertility and don't need men to intercede to make that
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happen. Now, it was the case that in Victorian England, corset use could become so extreme that
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it interfered with breathing and sometimes even caused death. So what does that point to at a deeper
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level? The evil queen, it's so awful, the evil queen entices Snow White to maximize her attractiveness
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in a manner that compromises not only her health but her life. And that's, if you can't see that
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playing out in our society at the moment, then you're not paying attention. Some of you might be
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familiar with Bonnie Blue, the prostitute in the UK who's slept with, had sex with 100 men in one night
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and is now attempting a thousand, apparently. Her mother is her business manager. And if you think
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that's all right, and you're female, well, then you're definitely the evil queen. And if you think
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that's all right and you're male, you're not even a dwarf. And so you can give that some consideration.
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Little Snow White stood in front of the old woman who took the lace and tied it around. Little Snow White
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so tightly that she lost her breath and fell down as if dead. Then the queen was satisfied and left.
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So that's a very sophisticated method of fertility suppression. Entice young women into advertising
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themselves sexually so brutally and in such an all-consuming manner that it interferes with spirit,
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that's breath, that's breath, and life itself. Jesus. Brutal. Not long after nightfall, the dwarves
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came home. And when they saw their dear Snow White lying on the ground, they were horrified for she seemed
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to be dead. They lifted her up. And when they saw that she was laced too tightly, they cut the stay
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lace in two. So it's the men, it's the dwarves that rescued Snow White from the pathologization
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of her own sexuality. Right? It's not the bloody dwarves who put her in the corset and make it
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impossible for her to breathe. It's her own mother, her own evil mother. Right? At once, she began to
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breathe a little and after a while she had fully revived. So the dwarves, with their essential,
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ordinary, conscientious, masculine sensibility, are able to protect Snow White against the
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pathologization of her own sexual attractiveness at the hands of the evil queen. Right? So the dwarves
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can manage that. That was nobody else but the queen, they said. Pay attention to the dwarves. It's not us.
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It's your evil mother. She wanted to take your life. Be careful. And don't let anyone else enter
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the cottage. Now the queen asked her mirror. Mirror, mirror on the wall. Who in this land is
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fairest of all? The mirror answered. You, my queen, may have a beauty. Quite rare, but little Snow White's
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alive. This I must tell. She's with the dwarves and doing quite well. Indeed, she's still a thousand times
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more fair. The queen was so horrified that all her blood rushed to her heart when she realized that
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little Snow White was alive once again. So she began thinking day and night how she could put an end
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to little Snow White. Finally, she made a poisoned comb, disguised herself in a completely different
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shape, and went off to the dwarves' cottage once again. When she knocked on the door, however,
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little Snow White called out, I'm not allowed to let anyone enter. The queen then took out the comb.
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So now Snow White, you see, Snow White gets enticed in some ways by her own vanity. Right? Now the
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dwarves have told her, be careful who you let in. Right? Remember in the story of Cain and Abel,
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that when Cain becomes possessed by envy, in consequence of the failure of his own second-rate
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sacrifices, he invites the spirit of murderous sin in to possess him as a voluntary response to his own
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pathological inadequacy. Pathological and voluntary inadequacy. He has to invite the pathological agent in,
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and that's what Snow White does, right? She does that because she wants first the lace stay and then
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the comb. And so she's enticed by the opportunity to make the most of her own beauty, which is an
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understandable motivation. She's enticed by that motivation to hearken to the voice of the evil and
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destructive queen. So that's a morality tale about the danger of vanity. Right? When little Snow White
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saw it shine, the comb, so it's a shiny comb, right? It's glittery, it's numinous in Rudolf Otto's
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phrase. It attracts her attention. And so I suppose that's why the queen brought the comb. When little Snow
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White saw it shine, Snow White saw it shine, so it's a phenomenon. Phenomenon, that's a word from the Greek
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root, phenisthai. Phenisthai means to shine forth. Something that shines attracts your attention, right? It's, and
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things attract your attention because they, they what? They speak to a conscious or unconscious
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motivational force. So Snow White would like to make use of her beauty. And fair enough, but there's
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great danger in making use of your beauty. Come, said the peddler woman. When she, when little Snow
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White saw it shine and that the woman was someone entirely different from the one she had previously
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met, yeah, she was entirely different on the surface. So there's different manifestations of the evil
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queen pathology, all selling something hypothetically different, but they're all
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avatars of the same underlying pathological fertility suppressing, devouring dragon force.
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When she saw that the woman was someone entirely different from the one she had previously met,
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she opened the door and bought the comb. Come, said the peddler woman. I'll also comb your hair.
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How she's so thoughtful and helpful, right? So you see, that's part of that camouflaged pathology.
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The little peddler, the, the, the peddler woman to begin with, who has the lace stays offers to
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lace Snow White up properly and then to comb her hair. And so she's disguising her murderously destructive,
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reproductive, reproductive, savaging pathology in a show of maternal compassion. Brutal, brutal.
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But no sooner did the old woman stick the comb in little Snow White's hair than the maiden fell down
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and was dead. Now you'll remain lying there, the queen said, and her heart had become lighter
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as she returned home. However, the dwarves came just in the nick of time. When they saw what had happened,
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they pulled the poison comb out of little Snow White's hair and she opened her eyes and was alive again.
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Okay, so that's the second time this is insisted upon in this fairy tale, right? The dwarves are not
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the masculine patriarchal force of the ordinary, of the ordinary society of men who entice young women
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to become pathologized in pursuit of beauty. In fact, they're the force that protects themselves against the intense
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female competition that tilts that struggling for supremacy in beauty and attractiveness in a spirit-destroying
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and murderous direction. So that's why it's so important for Snow White to learn to serve the dwarves,
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to be grateful for them, and to be able to establish a relationship of mutuality with ordinary masculinity,
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right? And this is as a precursor to meeting the prince, right? And so you might say, well,
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a woman who's indefinitely proud, particularly of her own attractiveness, might have nothing but
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contempt for the dwarves. But what this story indicates is that she'll be vulnerable beyond belief
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to the machinations of the evil queen in consequence, and without that ability to
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be grateful to ordinary masculinity, the prince will never make himself, the prince will never make
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his appearance. And so why would the best of men make an appearance if, in a woman's life, if the woman
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was pathologically incapable of having any respect whatsoever or offering any service in return for
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protection to masculinity as such? That's something worth thinking about in a time when gratitude for
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the benevolent element of the patriarchy is slowly, sorely lacking. The dwarves came just in the nick of
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time. When they saw what had happened, they pulled the poison comb out of little Snow White's hair,
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and she was alive again. She promised the dwarves that she would certainly not let anyone inside again.
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Okay, so, you know, they tell Snow White a number of times, but she's really too immature and too easily
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tempted, both of those, to protect herself against a force as pathological as the evil queen. And so
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that's worth thinking about too. It's too much to ask a truly young woman to make the wisdom manifest
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that would be necessary for her to see through the disguises of the evil queen and her proclivity to
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use temptation in service of murderous pathology. It's too much to ask that a young woman will be wise
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enough on her own to protect herself from the poison gifts of the evil queen. Right, she needs the
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intermediary of the dwarves. And so, well, that would be, for the typical young woman, that would be
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the protective phalanx of her brothers and her father. Now the queen stepped in front of her mirror once more and
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asked, Mirror, mirror on the wall, who in this land is fairest of all? The mirror answered, You, my queen, may have a
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beauty quite rare, but little Snow White's alive. This I must tell. She's with the dwarves and doing quite well.
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Indeed, she's still a thousand times more fair. When the queen heard this once again, she trembled and shook with
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rage. Little Snow White shall die, she exclaimed, even if it costs me my own life. Yeah, well, that's an enemy
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that's pretty hard to stand up against, you know, someone who will light themselves on fire just to
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singe you. And if you don't think people are capable of that kind of hatred at all cost, then you don't
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know much about human psychopathology. You know, those people who shoot up schools and that commit
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suicide when they could just as easily do things in the reverse order and save everyone a lot of trouble.
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It's like they're capping off of their murderous rage with their own self-destruction is actually part of
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the art. They know perfectly well that even if their motivation is suicidal, that the biggest
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manifestation of resentment and spite with regards to the structure of reality and their fellow man and
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their own spirit and God himself is to create the maximum amount of mayhem possible in the most
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viciously sadistic way and to cap that off with a demonstration that even their own life is worth
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nothing, especially in relationship to their desire for revenge and their capacity for spite.
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Then she went into a secret chamber where no one was allowed to enter. So this is like the heart of her
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poison, right? So the bodice was one thing, the stays, the corset, the poison comb was another.
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This gets to the heart of the matter. She goes to where the most genuine evil is made manifest.
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Once inside, she made a deadly poisonous apple. Well, why an apple? Well, an apple is the fruit of the tree
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of the knowledge of good and evil, right? The apple is the thing that you incorporate that changes you.
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The apple is information. The apple is education. The apple is ideology. The apple is an idea rather
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than an artifact, right? That's what it's symbolic of. That's what it represents. And so the first
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kinds of poison or death that the pathological evil queen attempts to administer to Snow White are
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pretty straightforward and basic, right? Their appeals to her own vanity in the form of pathologization of
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her attractiveness. But this is a deeper form of poison, right? It's a poison that strikes right to
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the soul. Remember, it's the consuming of the apple that is the original sin that knocks Adam and Eve
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out of paradise. The poisoned apple is, what is it? It's pathological knowledge, right? I think it's
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exactly the same as the symbolic representation of the kind of evil doctrine that young women are fed
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by jealous, miserable, single, bitter, envious, resentful old women to knock them out of the
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mating game, partly to reduce competition and partly just out of self-destructive spite.
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A deadly poisonous apple. On the outside, it looked beautiful with red cheeks, right? Red cheeks. So
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the apple is red cheeks. It's emblematic of health itself, of flourishing health, right? If you wanted
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to be a healthy young woman, this is obviously the apple that you would eat. And that's exactly what
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young women are taught in today's universities, right? To pursue that path of career that
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now has left the prioritization of self-interest. It's not precisely career. The prioritization of
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narrow self-interest that compromises their youth and leaves 50% of women in the West childless at the
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age of 30, with the probability that 90% of them will regret that as the years pass by.
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Apple, beautiful with red cheeks. Anyone who saw it would be enticed to take a bite. Well,
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so this is propaganda in its most attractive form. It's like, well, if this is what you were offered,
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of course you'd take it. It sounds like you could have it all. Young women, you can have it all.
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Yeah, well, the question is, who's offering that particular apple? And what exactly is their
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motivation? We're just looking out for our younger sisters. It's like, yeah, maybe you're looking out
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for them. And maybe you're a manifestation of the evil queen whose fundamental motivation is to devour
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their liver and lungs. Yeah, well, thereafter she disguised herself as a peasant woman, a lowly woman,
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not a haughty beauty. Went to the dwarf's cottage and knocked on the door. Little Snow White looked and
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said, I'm not allowed to have anyone inside. The seven dwarfs have strictly forbidden me. Well,
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if you don't want to let me in, I can't force you, answered the delightful peasant woman. Right,
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emblematic of the oppressed working class. I'll surely get rid of my apples in time. I have something
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that everyone wants, obviously, but let me give you one to test another manifestation of her evil
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making itself camouflaged in the guise of care and compassion. No, said little Snow White, I'm not
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allowed to take anything. The dwarfs won't let me. Yeah, well, you see, that's the sensible manifestation
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of the ordinary productive patriarchal impulse inside her protecting herself from the depredations of
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predatory competitive females. You're probably afraid. Yeah, said the old woman. Look, I'll cut the apple in
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two. You eat the beautiful red half. However, the apple had been made with such cunning that only the red
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part was poisoned. When little Snow White saw the peasant woman eating her half, and when her desire
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to taste the apple grew stronger, she finally let the peasant woman give her the other half through
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the window. As soon as she took a bite of the apple, she fell to the ground and was dead. The queen
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rejoiced, went home and asked the mirror, mirror, mirror on the wall, who in this land is the fairest of
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them all? And the mirror answered, you, my queen, are now the fairest of all. So the evil queen produced
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the pathological fruit of knowledge that dooms Snow White to death, administering it under the guise of
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compassion and caring in the form of a fruit so attractive that anyone with eyes would be tempted
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to take it. Brutal. Now I can rest in peace, she said. Once again, I'm the most beautiful in the land,
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and Snow White will remain dead this time. So couldn't kill her with the bodice or the corset,
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couldn't kill her with the poisonous comb, but could certainly kill her with the consumption of the fatal
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apple. When the dwarfs came home from the mines that evening, they found little Snow White lying on the
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ground and she was dead. They unlazed her and tried to find something poisonous in her hair, but nothing
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helped. They couldn't revive her. Okay, so what does that mean? The core element of the evil queen is so
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unbelievably pathological, so destructive, that ordinary, conscientious, diligent, protective
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masculinity is revealed as insufficient to redress the poison, right? So that's why the queen,
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the prince has to come along, right? It's only the higher order form of masculinity that's associated
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with true nobility and true courage that has the
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archetypal force, you might say, to provide true protection from the depredations of the evil
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queen. Well, Snow White is the helpmeet of the dwarfs, right? But there's no individualized
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social patriarchy as such to the establishment of a
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she's still in the land of generic masculinity, and that's a hell of a lot
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better than the land of pathological, evil queen, destructive femininity, but it's not a relationship
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that's of sufficient depth and intensity to provide protection against the most fatal of
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feminine poisons. They couldn't revive her, so they laid her on a beer, and all seven of them sat down
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beside it and wept for three whole days. Then they intended to bury her, but she still looked more
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alive than dead, and she still had such pretty red cheeks. So instead they made a glass coffin and
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placed her inside so that she could easily be seen. So they're worshiping her in a sense, even in her
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poisoned and near-dead state. They still value her, right? So what does that mean?
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an attractive young woman who has been poisoned
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themselves. Right, so they stand back and observe
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They wrote her name on the coffin in gold letters
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and added the family name. One of the dwarfs remained at home every day to keep watch over her.
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that's failure to launch. Now she's in a state
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Well, a prince actually wants to have a relationship with the individual woman.
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in consequence of that individualized relationship
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that offers her both protection and opportunity