The King's Hall - Homes for The Next Generation with Stephen Totter

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00:00:56.600 in november of 2025 president donald trump announced plans to introduce a new 50-year

00:01:11.260 mortgage for homes federal housing agency director bill pulte called the move a game changer as it

00:01:17.780 was meant to reduce the burden of homeownership for many americans who have faced 30-year fixed

00:01:23.180 rates stuck above 6% for more than three years. Currently, according to Redfin data, the median

00:01:29.680 U.S. household spends about 40% of its monthly income on mortgage repayments, well above the

00:01:35.660 long-term affordability benchmarks. Pulte, for his part, blamed Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome

00:01:41.740 Powell, who hiked interest rates to curb inflation, but has since resumed easing cautiously, saying on

00:01:48.580 X that he is keeping rates artificially high. Many young Americans are feeling the pressure

00:01:54.240 as home ownership slips further and further out of reach. At its core, the proposed 50-year loan

00:02:01.100 product targets lower monthly payments by extending the standard amortization period.

00:02:06.860 For instance, Fannie Mae's calculator estimates that for a $400,000 home at 6.575% interest rate

00:02:14.720 with 20% down, the monthly principal and interest would be $2,788 on a 30-year fixed, $2,640 for 40

00:02:25.740 years, and $2,572 for 50 years. But there are significant downsides for a minimal lowering of

00:02:34.780 the monthly rate. Total interest paid goes up drastically, slows the accrual of equity,

00:02:40.840 and potentially traps borrowers in debt for most or all of their lives.

00:02:46.300 The move would also likely raise home prices,

00:02:49.540 creating a windfall for sellers and incumbent buyers and penalizing first-time homebuyers.

00:02:54.880 The deeper problem is that younger Americans simply don't see a bright future

00:02:59.360 as the first-time homebuyer age rises to an all-time high of 40 years old.

00:03:05.140 Without owned space, many young people sense that they're living in captivity,

00:03:09.260 A form of socially engineered captivity at that.

00:03:13.360 Ambition to build a legacy, invest in future generations, and pass on wealth is thoroughly

00:03:19.320 punished by the current system.

00:03:21.520 But what can be done?

00:03:23.180 In this episode, we'll talk with our friend Stephen Totter about his plans to solve this

00:03:28.460 problem, or at least try to, with Exchequer and Cross, a patronage project aimed at building

00:03:34.300 the new Christendom.

00:03:35.680 It's a way to play within the rules of the current system, but by using precious metal

00:03:40.280 backing and investors, reduce the financial hardship required to build legacy homes.

00:03:46.420 The King's Hall Podcast exists to make self-ruled men rule well and win the world.

00:03:57.620 Well, welcome to this episode of the King's Hall Podcast.

00:04:00.180 I'm your host, Eric Kahn, joined today by the one, the only, the very handsome.

00:04:04.400 Brian Sobe. Good to hear. Hey and joined by our listeners Kings Hall listeners you're the real

00:04:11.400 MVPs of this situation. And we have a special guest today in studio. We do. For the very first

00:04:16.640 time Mr. Steven Totter. Thank you sir. Well good to have you. You're white monstered up. I am. Oh

00:04:22.160 yeah. We're ready to cook. Yep. Brian speaking of cooking finance is a lot like cooking. It really

00:04:29.100 is in that you have to prepare beforehand you have to have a recipe you have to start at the end

00:04:34.440 and think backwards that's right what that main dish will be like what a seamless transition into

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00:05:39.980 now okay from a financial conversation in 2026 that's a dangerous sentence to say eric

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00:05:49.880 Mr. Stephen Totter, welcome to the show. Thank you. I want to get a little bit of your background

00:05:55.120 so our listeners know who you are. Of course, we know you, but they don't. They don't know you.

00:06:00.880 So start with just some of your background. Who are you? What have you done in the world?

00:06:05.060 And then we'll get into what you're up to now. Yeah. So I've had kind of a lot of different

00:06:10.020 hats I've worn over the years, but I'm an attorney. I'm a real estate investor,

00:06:13.300 you know very involved in our local church and a family man uh husband and a father of four

00:06:18.940 daughters very nice and uh part of your story is you've actually you actually have a connection

00:06:27.160 to ICE that is true that is true yes uh I was uh assigned to a variety of roles in the government

00:06:35.480 over the years um but one of the my favorite accomplishments was being awarded by the ICE

00:06:40.720 director for apprehending a known terrorist a known terrorist yeah you you may not know this

00:06:46.560 but we confirmed this before we recorded that the show 24 is loosely based on steven's life

00:06:51.820 loosely based yeah they had to actually tone it down they did because because it has to be

00:06:57.940 realistic jack bauer is a little less exciting it has to be believable yeah yeah it absolutely does

00:07:03.800 so attorney what what's it like do we should we call you asquire is there like a we really

00:07:09.880 screwed this up. I insist upon it. With AI, we'll edit it back in post. Yeah. Yeah. So you served

00:07:19.120 as well. Was it Iraq war? Yes, I did. Okay. And then I guess just as you think about that

00:07:26.200 college attorney, what you're doing now, I guess just walk me through how that has shaped kind of

00:07:34.600 how you view the world and what you're trying to accomplish at this point in your life. Yeah. So

00:07:39.580 I think like a lot of people, I had a very normal career trajectory until COVID happened.

00:07:45.900 And then that just opens your eyes up to a whole lot of things that are going on behind the scenes.

00:07:49.960 And that was a really big pivot for me into real estate as well, because you realize you need to

00:07:55.160 have a backup plan. You need to have something that you're doing that's outside of the normal

00:07:58.780 W-2 system. And so I started working on that more in earnest and founded Curios Capital,

00:08:04.060 taking on investors and doing real estate projects with Christians. And so that was

00:08:09.040 definitely a large pivot for me. Yeah. And especially like you think about building a

00:08:13.560 legacy. I think obviously people who have a family, right? It's often been said they have

00:08:18.340 an investment in the future. So as you think about finances, you think about building outside

00:08:23.580 the W-2 system, how does the family legacy portion connect for you? Yeah. Well, it's a biblical

00:08:29.980 mandate, right? Is that we're supposed to leave to our children and our children's children.

00:08:34.560 And so that's very important when you realize what the government is doing to our money. You

00:08:38.300 can't just put your money underneath your mattress and hope that you can pass that along to your

00:08:41.940 children someday. There's tax implications. There's just thinking about where value is going

00:08:48.400 to be in the future and what is happening to our economic system. So many times these changes are

00:08:53.280 just very difficult for people to see in the moment. And then we can only really see it looking

00:08:58.820 back. And it's important for especially Christian men to be educated about finances and about the

00:09:05.940 economic systems and realize where things are heading in the future because you can't provide

00:09:09.760 for your children's children if you don't know what things are roughly going to be like in the

00:09:13.100 future yeah and i think people have seen that even recently you know we were watching all the

00:09:17.680 the uh you trump talking about the devaluing of the dollar i think the thing that surprised me

00:09:23.480 was he was saying like yeah that's what we're trying to do yeah we're actually trying to devalue

00:09:28.600 the dollar so we've talked about that brian i mean that first of all like we don't want to get

00:09:35.060 in hot wars but if there's a thing that ever makes a guy want to get in a hot war it's like

00:09:39.800 i'm looking at the money and what houses cost it's a real thing and like we've talked about

00:09:45.880 this with the church it's a real challenge with young families who are working very hard

00:09:51.700 uh yeah but they can't afford a home no there's only one safe thing to do right now and even that

00:09:57.600 is no guarantee of success and that is to build you have to build you have to create value you

00:10:02.820 have to be in in somehow whether directly or indirectly through investment involved in the

00:10:08.040 business world because the dollar is inflating away or we can't lower housing prices because

00:10:14.020 you know that might affect a certain generation that rhymes with well i was gonna say zoomer but

00:10:20.300 loomer but there's two that rhyme with it it's i'm talking about baby boomers i'm sorry so you

00:10:27.160 know we can't lower the the value of their of their homes and their second home and you know

00:10:32.500 they bought for a stick of chewing gum and their summer job at, I don't know, McDonald's flipping

00:10:38.280 burgers or something like that. So, uh, the only safe thing to do really is to build, like you have

00:10:44.280 to look into the future and say, where am I going to put my strength? It's going to produce value.

00:10:48.700 That's going to, and the, the beauty of that is that that mindset really does serve people.

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00:14:25.000 infuriating but the only thing to do is smile and build yeah well i think it hit me years ago

00:14:32.700 this is sometime around covid people were you know talking about cryptocurrency and different

00:14:38.180 ways to store the value of your money and i remember elon musk saying like yeah ultimately

00:14:43.340 you need wealth generation. Like that's the thing that you've got to get into. But I like part of

00:14:49.100 your story too, Steven, because it's not just wealth. There's so many aspects of legacy building

00:14:55.460 that have to be a part of what you're doing. And part of what you're doing is the classical

00:15:00.620 education. So I wonder if you would just talk a little bit about what you're involved with there,

00:15:05.600 why that matters, like why invest your time, energy and money into what you're doing there?

00:15:11.340 Yeah. So I am the chairman of a K through 12 classical Christian school, and we've seen a lot of growth over the years, mainly due to the failure of the public school system.

00:15:19.940 Oh, yeah.

00:15:20.620 You know, especially during COVID where people essentially were missing a year of education. It's just become more desperate for a lot of parents.

00:15:27.380 And so thinking about how we build that and how you can create a school where this is something where parents can enter into it.

00:15:37.840 Right. These are parents who have suffered under the public school system and it's still accessible to them, but at the same time, good for the people who have started up from the beginning.

00:15:47.320 It's a challenge. It's a definite challenge because you're going to have to take people from the outside who have missed one year, two years of real education.

00:15:53.960 Yeah. Well, we've seen this, too. I mean, it seems like especially like you said, since like COVID, but the number of people fleeing the public education system, which is actually I mean, for us, actually encouraging that people are starting to take this seriously.

00:16:07.840 but i remember there were like families who got sent home with like curriculum and videos to watch

00:16:13.200 so parents for the first time were like engaging with what the curriculum was from the public school

00:16:18.140 system and we had like neighbors come to our house and they were like do you know what they're

00:16:21.300 teaching our children and we're like yeah that's why we don't go there but we do but then after

00:16:28.000 that it really was funny because a lot of people they were like yeah we we're not doing that

00:16:33.200 anymore we got to find an alternative homeschool or whatever we were all the we were the weirdos

00:16:37.820 because we were homeschooling but then all of a sudden they're like hey how did you do that

00:16:42.360 yeah we've just we've lost trust on so many levels with the architects of culture and leadership in

00:16:47.740 our society that it is it's not actually wrong that a parent should be able to think on some

00:16:54.380 level oh i can trust the leaders of my society to do good to me because that's their whole thing

00:17:02.640 They're supposed to do you good, right?

00:17:04.700 To praise the good and punish the wrongdoer.

00:17:07.580 And however, you're naive today to think that they are because they're not.

00:17:12.380 They're actually socially engineering your kids for the good of their ends, which are

00:17:16.520 not your good.

00:17:18.260 So while it was disappointing to find out that parents hadn't thought about it before

00:17:23.280 that, you're like, this is the first time you're wondering what they're learning in

00:17:26.700 the public school.

00:17:27.460 but it was um still encouraging that at least even though it took that that many of them did

00:17:33.920 finally figure it out and go oh i should probably take charge of the education of my children as

00:17:40.920 almost like they belong to me or something it's it's almost as if yeah yeah the dependency on

00:17:46.020 the public school system has really developed as part of the economic model that our country has

00:17:50.420 chased right following so-called free trade um and the gutting of the middle class has made a lot of

00:17:56.880 parents have to rely on the public school system as essentially babysitting yeah and it's just the

00:18:01.460 hours have gotten longer and longer the programs associated with it have gotten so much larger

00:18:05.340 to accommodate two parents working full-time even the time spent in school we've talked about this

00:18:10.660 with our school where it's like education now goes to like 25 maybe later for a lot of people

00:18:16.860 whereas you know we're often thinking about like well how would you actually get people

00:18:21.180 what if there's a 16 year old yeah who actually is going to go into the trades should he be in

00:18:26.460 school till 25? Probably not. He should probably start thinking about vocational training and get

00:18:33.480 involved with that. And then, you know, like you've started doing a lot of stuff with real

00:18:38.400 estate. Maybe it's like getting those kids involved in that from a pretty early age,

00:18:42.540 you know, very important. I do want to ask you about that with real estate. How did you get

00:18:47.380 involved with that originally? Yeah, it started off very small and just realizing that your W-2

00:18:52.840 job is not going to provide real wealth for you in the long term. You know, a lot of people are

00:18:57.840 putting into 401ks and IRAs and that money is going towards companies that largely hate us.

00:19:04.060 Yeah. And so taking charge of it yourself is really important. And that's the conclusion

00:19:09.840 that I came to about 2018. And so I started very small. I started with a townhome and then moved

00:19:15.180 up to a single family home and then duplexes and triplexes. And then in the early 2020s was

00:19:21.400 pivoting towards apartment buildings and larger real estate projects.

00:19:25.660 Is it still an area where people can get involved in real estate?

00:19:29.600 It's still a good time to get into it, or is it tougher now?

00:19:31.720 It is tougher now.

00:19:32.680 I think the biggest challenge is that if you look back at the last decade,

00:19:38.140 you could throw money up against a wall and it would stick.

00:19:41.640 You could get into real estate and you could be terrible at it.

00:19:44.440 You could be terrible at the operations and logistics,

00:19:46.580 and you were basically going to be bailed out because just the value of real estate was going up.

00:19:50.700 and that was going to save you. That is over. They're really calling this decade the decade

00:19:56.320 of operations. You have to be able to operate a real estate project. You have to be actually

00:20:01.100 competent at it in order to make money because of higher interest rates and the higher cost of

00:20:05.280 the real estate. So do you see less people getting involved in it? It seems like it would

00:20:10.620 weed some people out too if you're not good at operating. Yeah, less people should. I mean,

00:20:16.060 there's a lot of programs that encourage people to get into real estate, I think, without really

00:20:21.540 counting the cost of that. And a mortgage on a property can easily take you down and put you

00:20:27.100 into bankruptcy, especially the larger you get and the more leveraged you are. And so a lot of

00:20:32.180 people have been giving bad advice over the last 10 years for just anybody to get into real estate.

00:20:37.100 And, you know, in many ways, that's what I did, right? I got into it without having prior experience

00:20:43.060 in real estate or anybody in my family who was an expert at that. So I benefited from that and

00:20:48.640 the Lord blessed it. But there's a lot of people out there who just do not have the competency to

00:20:54.120 be able to navigate the market that we're in today. Yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. One of the things

00:20:59.260 you said, I think that was interesting to me, did you say you're in four different countries?

00:21:04.360 Yes. Four different countries now. Still the vast majority of my portfolio is in the United States,

00:21:08.940 But I've started to invest into Africa as well.

00:21:11.980 Really?

00:21:12.140 Like what got you interested in that?

00:21:14.800 I've always been interested in the continents of Africa, just as it's a place that's exciting.

00:21:20.620 It's really challenging in terms of operating logistics and being able to do that from a distance.

00:21:27.540 If you think it's a challenge to make a snowplow magically appear somewhere in New Hampshire for one of your tenants, it is even more challenging to do that across nations.

00:21:36.840 But there's a huge marginal advantage there for an American to invest into Africa.

00:21:42.000 For one thing, the currencies in Africa are much, the inflation rates are much higher, right?

00:21:49.740 So the value of money is low.

00:21:51.800 Right, right.

00:21:52.540 So the effect of that is if you were to invest in real estate in the United States,

00:21:58.400 your mortgage is going to get cheaper over time because we're inflating, right?

00:22:02.220 And we all realize this because we have, you know, boomer relatives who bought a house for, you know, a pack of bubble gum and a couple hundred dollars.

00:22:09.480 And before long, their mortgage is essentially nothing by the time they're done with their 30-year term.

00:22:13.500 And that's because of inflation.

00:22:15.080 Well, imagine doing that same thing in a country that has an inflation rate of 10% per year, right?

00:22:20.240 Now, the trouble for doing that, that you have in doing that, is that, you know, if you're somebody who's local in Africa, you're not going to be given credit, right?

00:22:31.080 But as an American, you have a higher marginal advantage going into that situation.

00:22:34.500 You can also, as an American, go into these countries and get a meeting with one of the

00:22:38.400 developmental leaders, a government leader, very easily compared to, yeah, somebody else.

00:22:43.800 So was that, I'm just curious, like, how do you even, how did you even start with that? Like,

00:22:47.780 if you asked me like, Eric, how do you become the next Cecil Rhodes? You call another guy named

00:22:53.300 eric uh-huh eric prince and you say eric help me out guy yeah well it's just crazy like to even

00:23:02.100 think of that seems so like far-fetched but as you're saying it's not it's not that crazy to do

00:23:07.620 it isn't um and so many people in general are just uh scared about getting into real estate to begin

00:23:13.580 with and then you add on to that well getting into real estate or business business projects

00:23:18.020 in Africa. I mean, so few people actually venture into doing it that there's an enormous opportunity

00:23:24.200 there, again, if you can navigate the difficulties with it. And I would never recommend that everybody

00:23:28.440 put all their eggs into that basket. It is more of a higher risk. But there's just incredible

00:23:35.020 opportunities there for an American to be investing in there. So when you think about investing in

00:23:39.720 Africa, because you're very much in America, you love America. You want America to thrive.

00:23:45.180 You're not necessarily investing in Africa,

00:23:47.880 not that you don't care about the people in Africa,

00:23:49.540 but you're investing in a different country

00:23:52.920 for the sake of America, in a sense.

00:23:57.220 How does that work?

00:23:58.020 How do you think through as an American

00:24:00.160 wanting to build things in America,

00:24:03.340 make our country better?

00:24:04.520 How do you think that through?

00:24:05.920 Yeah, well, I'd start just going backwards

00:24:07.760 a little bit to the big picture.

00:24:09.100 A lot of these areas of Africa,

00:24:10.700 especially North Africa,

00:24:11.660 are really part of Christendom historically.

00:24:14.060 They're part of the Christian West. And that was their story before the Muslim invasions and the changes that happened. But prior to that, these were areas that were sending out missionaries like Egypt, for example. So I think it's important that we understand that this is part of our heritage as well.

00:24:28.620 but going further from that and saying, you know, well, how does this benefit us here in the United

00:24:34.360 States? The economic model is going to completely change over the next 10 years. And it's going to

00:24:39.400 change from what we've seen in the past in terms of free trade to industrial policy in the United

00:24:45.780 States. The need for raw resources is going to actually increase, not decrease. So as we see

00:24:51.400 that happening, Americans can be at the forefront of that by investing into Africa. So you're

00:24:56.100 thinking, resources in Africa, and then a businessman with connections, whether your

00:25:02.080 own endeavors or other people in your network here, manufacturing is increasing. We need these

00:25:07.360 connections with a note of trust, because trust is really the thing that seems to be of utmost

00:25:13.880 importance when you're investing across a border like that. You couldn't just hand money to somebody

00:25:20.100 over there that, and, and know that it's going to do anything other than disappear into the

00:25:25.940 labyrinth of African fraud or something like that. But if you know a guy and you have an,

00:25:30.300 Oh, I know this associate and he's invested here. He can get me that thing I need for my business

00:25:36.080 here. That's going to build American manufacturing and bless. And you know, and that, and is it that

00:25:40.180 kind of thinking? Yeah. You have to start building up the relationships of trust and there's no way

00:25:45.460 to do it, but to take some risk. Yeah. Right. But you can do that through relationships that you've

00:25:49.820 built in the United States and connections that people have back to Africa. So once you start

00:25:54.280 building those connections, it's like getting reps in, right? You're taking risk, but you're

00:25:58.580 learning a lot as you go along. You start off small and then you build it and make it stronger.

00:26:02.440 And there's no way to get around it. You just have to go and do it and experiment. Sometimes fail.

00:26:07.840 How long until you're the president of Libya, would you say?

00:26:10.100 Five years.

00:26:10.620 Five years. Okay.

00:26:11.300 Five years.

00:26:11.820 20, 2031.

00:26:12.920 Yeah.

00:26:13.280 2031.

00:26:14.460 It will be the new Rhodesia.

00:26:16.940 I mean, we need a fallback plan.

00:26:18.560 we did yeah stuff doesn't i mean i'm hopeful but if stuff doesn't go well we're gonna need

00:26:23.780 a libyan warlord that we trust that's right okay what is interesting because like i went to public

00:26:31.860 school did you did you do were you raised public school i was actually homeschooled okay homeschooled

00:26:36.200 okay so excluding snatcher uh we're this is why he's gonna be the president of libya this is what

00:26:43.260 homeschool gets you they're like oh yeah it's horrible if you homeschool you won't be socialized

00:26:47.840 Well, let me tell you what, I was socialized.

00:26:50.180 Yeah.

00:26:50.480 But it's interesting because I grew up really thinking like colonialism was bad.

00:26:55.960 The expansion of Christendom was evil.

00:26:58.960 But I want to talk about some of the projects you're doing because it sounds like it's actually a blessing to the people there too.

00:27:05.140 I think that's what's often missed is that when you can enter chaos, take risk, and then create order, you're actually doing a positive good to the people there.

00:27:15.000 So it's not just real estate right in africa

00:27:18.760 Can you talk a little bit about some of the things you're involved with?

00:27:22.200 Yeah, so I don't want to get too deep into the specific countries that are involved because we have relationships there that we want to maintain

00:27:27.880 but uh, there's

00:27:29.460 Industries and tourism also just residential real estate and also agriculture as well

00:27:35.200 Agriculture. Okay. And so that does provide for jobs on the ground

00:27:38.600 Um, the development of the residential real estate also does as well

00:27:42.020 Interesting. So, I mean, to me, that's exciting. Historically, it seems like Europe had abandoned like colonial outposts there. If I'm not mistaken, I think like China is heavily involved in Africa to this day. So it's nice to know we have like good presence, good Christian presence.

00:28:01.560 What are some of the challenges? I mean, you've talked about some of them, but the challenges of investing there, building business there in Africa.

00:28:11.480 It's the same challenges as you deal with in the United States, but just on a whole other level.

00:28:16.120 Like when I'm dealing with, I'll use New Hampshire for an example.

00:28:19.420 Things are a little bit slower there.

00:28:20.780 Everything shuts down in the wintertime.

00:28:22.460 There's certain cultural things that you just have to get used to and be able to navigate.

00:28:26.160 However, when you're dealing with Africa, there's some pretty enormous cultural differences.

00:28:30.040 Perceptions of, you know, is success a good thing for a young man to have?

00:28:35.580 If somebody is successful in certain African countries, it's viewed as they've made some sort of pact with the devil.

00:28:41.480 And that's, you know, a terrible thing.

00:28:42.820 So just navigating those challenges is a huge part of this.

00:28:48.040 The cultural aspects of that are very difficult to understand until you just start doing it.

00:28:55.880 And, you know, perceptions of what success looks like, of course, fraud and graft are big issues there that you have to navigate.

00:29:03.760 And as a Christian, you have to take a stand and decide, you know, that you're not going to participate in that.

00:29:09.180 And how are you going to work around it in that case?

00:29:11.480 Yeah. I think that's really interesting. Um, one thing you mentioned earlier was

00:29:16.120 the re-industrialization of America. Um, it seemed to be signaled, I think with Trump,

00:29:21.720 right. With, uh, some of the, you know, free trade policies, adjusting those, um, import,

00:29:28.140 export business. I think this even related to what's going on with the dollar. Yeah. Um,

00:29:32.520 but maybe if you would talk about that, it seems like globalization hopefully is collapsing.

00:29:38.220 we've talked about we talked about in the last episode like the homogeneity

00:29:42.020 of what globalization does uh what what's kind of your read on that do you i'm curious if you

00:29:48.220 think it'll be successful first of all and are our leaders actually committed to that but yeah

00:29:52.960 just just your read on that i think it will be successful and i think it's inevitable and we're

00:29:57.620 actually seeing it happen now it's happening slow but these things tend to happen slow and then very

00:30:02.940 quickly. And so post-1945, the United States decided that we are going to patrol the global

00:30:08.560 waters. We're going to set up free trade. And essentially, we're going to outsource a lot of

00:30:14.380 our manufacturing to other countries around the world. And it really didn't matter to the United

00:30:18.940 States, famously, as an economist said, whether we made computer chips or potato chips. It was

00:30:23.600 all just going to be part of GDP. Well, it turns out that that wasn't true and that it really

00:30:28.580 gutted the middle class of America. And it created all sorts of second and third order effects that

00:30:34.640 were really damaging to the United States. And as part of that, we sent our industrial base to all

00:30:39.380 these countries overseas. That model is collapsing because on the one hand, we're running out of

00:30:44.080 money, $20 trillion in debt, $200 trillion of unfunded liabilities. It just can't go on. It's

00:30:50.100 unsustainable. And we're even having trouble selling the 10-year treasury note now. So things

00:30:54.560 are slowing down and that has an impact on how we can trade overseas as well. And the military is

00:30:59.980 not getting less expensive. It's getting more expensive to patrol the waters. There's been

00:31:03.460 a decline in America's naval presence in a lot of these areas. So it can't go on forever. And

00:31:10.300 it's politically unpopular as well. And that's why you saw even after the first Trump administration

00:31:15.140 going into the Biden administration, they kept a lot of the tariffs on China that existed because

00:31:19.680 it's politically popular and it makes sense and it's inevitable. China is also going to be dealing

00:31:24.920 with a huge population collapse as well. And we tend to think of them as this enormous country

00:31:29.380 that just has infinite people. They made a lot of mistakes, sinful, wicked mistakes over the years

00:31:34.080 that are going to lead to a population collapse. And how do we deal with that? How do we deal with

00:31:38.120 a lot of our manufacturing in Europe is from countries that are going to see a population

00:31:42.620 collapse. The answer to it is re-industrializing the United States. We need to grow the industrial

00:31:47.760 capacity of the United States, probably triple or quadruple what it is right now. And so not only

00:31:53.840 is it something that we should be looking forward to, even though it is going to have a lot of

00:31:59.040 short-term pain associated with it, but it's inevitable. It's going to happen. And so it's

00:32:03.780 important that Christians be at the forefront of that and leaning into it and have the possibility

00:32:08.100 to be the new cultural elites in that system. Yeah, that's such a good word. Brian, I think

00:32:12.660 we've talked about this too but the part part of the thing that's tied in with industrialization

00:32:17.840 is steven as you mentioned that the middle class um i think helen andrews was talking about this

00:32:23.720 recently but she said with mass feminization you've had the rise of what what a lot of

00:32:28.920 economists call the pink collar economy so all the things that used to be done in the home the

00:32:33.580 phrase alone yeah nursing health care food services services industry in general they're 1.00

00:32:39.160 all catered toward women. That's why, you know, it's suitable and why so many women are going in 1.00

00:32:43.160 the workforce. But what it's meant is almost the total destruction of middle-class America. 1.00

00:32:48.640 So Brian, I just want to ask you, like, if you think about particularly like the average guy

00:32:53.720 who comes to church, why is it so important for us as pastors to think through, like, we care

00:32:58.960 about that guy, whether or not he has a job. And most of them are not going to be white collar

00:33:03.980 intellectuals. No, they're not. And this comes back to something we talk about a lot on the

00:33:09.140 King's Hall, which is that God made the world a certain way and he made people a certain way and

00:33:14.940 he made a hierarchies all the way up and down of interest and competencies. And not that he,

00:33:20.420 not that God made a world where like most people are totally incompetent. And then you have a few

00:33:24.620 people who are like totally competent, but people are competent in different ways and they're fitted

00:33:28.780 for different types of tasks. And the reality is that God didn't fit or make the world such that

00:33:36.020 80% of the men that are in the world are really made to be the alpha ruler or manager of a big

00:33:44.120 thing. That's it. Think about the math. If that were true, who are they managing, right? There's

00:33:50.020 nobody left. So God made the world where there are some people are very gifted for higher leadership

00:33:55.180 and management. And these are skills that you can learn within a range, but people are generally

00:33:59.900 born with some kind of range where they can hit the lower end or the higher end, but their lower

00:34:06.140 and higher end is far different from somebody else's. So there is this reality that every time

00:34:11.580 in the economy where we have destroyed some large percentage of the work that a huge group of those

00:34:19.100 non-managerial, non-ruler class of men were doing, it has had hugely deleterious effects on culture,

00:34:26.540 the family because all of a sudden you've taken away the livelihood of a man yeah you've taken

00:34:31.660 away men were made to work we were made to bring order to chaos we were whether you're the managerial

00:34:37.400 type or the guy that really was made to work for somebody you were made to do that so when you take

00:34:42.220 that away people suffer and everything that people touches suffer because the people make the world

00:34:48.180 like we make the world so when you think about manufacturing as an example um or you know making

00:34:54.360 things or taking raw materials from the earth and turning them into useful things with which to love

00:34:59.600 your neighbor and take care of your people. That's what the economy is. If you take that away,

00:35:05.760 you will eventually just end up propping it up with a bunch of made up make-believe work.

00:35:12.200 That's what we did. We invented fake work. Well, this is actually interesting because I read a

00:35:17.660 book i'm not going to say the full title but it's bs jobs um and and they were talking about how in

00:35:24.860 america in most of the western world today most jobs simply should not exist so most of the work

00:35:31.100 people are doing is completely meaningless you're basically an email router yeah that doesn't need

00:35:36.480 to exist especially with the the advent of ai and you know how big that's become like most people

00:35:42.680 know this this is why there's like widespread rates of depression but what's crazy is it's

00:35:47.500 the same thing in the male nature that makes men so good at STEM subjects is men are naturally

00:35:52.980 geared toward like, I want to make something. I want to figure out how it works. Yes. And I could

00:35:58.000 see that with industrialization coming back that all of a sudden, all these guys who are like,

00:36:02.520 we need to train you how to be a receptionist. And like, he's like, no, I don't want to do that.

00:36:06.880 Absolutely not. And when I think about our church and the men of our church,

00:36:11.180 we were talking about a business that is not in our state. And we're like, man, we should,

00:36:16.040 It's invest multiple people from our church invested in it and have ownership in it.

00:36:20.800 And I would love to see this business move to Ogden.

00:36:23.740 And one of the reasons is because I immediately knowing the number of employees and kind of

00:36:29.060 how the business works, I go, we have men who could run that business three times as

00:36:33.440 good and they would be totally satisfied to do that.

00:36:35.640 And we'd be now have a much more direct interest in how we pay them and how that business works

00:36:41.420 in terms of its wealth generation and where that wealth generation goes.

00:36:44.960 you look at our church and there are just tons of men that I have total confidence in could step

00:36:51.480 into many different types of businesses, whether those are manufacturing or, you know, business to

00:36:57.640 business type of stuff or whatever it is who could competently, whether from the management all the

00:37:03.640 way down to you need really good guys that you can trust that are taking care of the lower end

00:37:10.640 parts of the business, right? We, I know we can do that. I know we can do that. And I'm thinking

00:37:17.140 about the names of these men and I'm going, I know they work for this thing over here that we don't

00:37:22.540 own and sure it's okay. And it pays their bills right now, but, but I know that guy. And if we

00:37:28.500 could bring him into something that is owned by the, with this nodes of trust, not only would we

00:37:35.040 take better care of him, but I know he would do a great job. Yeah. A huge part of it is thinking

00:37:39.740 through like business as discipleship. Yeah. Right. To that. You, you have real accountability

00:37:44.340 in the church and a local area, but this kind of goes to the globalization issue where I think in

00:37:50.380 the end of men, the book, Hannah Rosen talks about this, but like Russell athletic, I think

00:37:54.640 it was in Georgia and they shut it down because Warren Buffett's company bought it, Berkshire

00:38:00.740 Hathaway. They bought it and they were like, you know, we could save like 70 cents per garment if

00:38:07.200 we outsource this to indonesia so that they basically shut down an entire town in the south

00:38:13.340 and you ask the question do they care about the workers did they care about the people

00:38:18.280 no it basically destroyed you know part of that region and might have been alabama now that i

00:38:24.760 think about either way it's like devastating whereas what we can do now i think with hopefully

00:38:31.180 re-industrialization is say what what if we actually invested in those business and then we

00:38:36.800 we could employ our people in a way that was meaningful to them and think audaciously like

00:38:41.800 i i follow a guy on twitter um i can't even if it's ajak or he's like a bodybuilder type of guy

00:38:48.740 um is it fitness guy do you think it's like my secret account oh it was you it's eric

00:38:54.100 he's actually it's not eric it's very adjacent similar but he's um thank you he is involved

00:39:03.620 right now in spearheading this american creatine project i don't know if you guys have heard of

00:39:07.820 this but he's trying he noticed he's fitness one of the only supplements that we know for sure works

00:39:13.680 really well for most people's creatine almost everybody should be on creatine and white monster

00:39:18.060 and white monsters well actually yeah because caffeine and creatine and protein are the three

00:39:23.060 substances that we know work john daly was correct caffeine nicotine equals protein equals protein

00:39:30.420 that's not true let's just i want to be clear it's not medical advice that that's just science

00:39:35.140 that is literally not science okay so he's spearheading this project and he noticed that

00:39:41.340 basically all creatine production right now is in china and not only that but all the precursors

00:39:47.320 the chemical it's a very complicated chemical process to make really good creatine monohydrate

00:39:51.200 and so he was looking at he's like why why don't we do this in america the last one shut down you

00:39:55.540 know how it, tale as old as time, 20, 30, 40 years ago, whatever. So he starts looking into it and

00:40:01.300 it's like, yeah, this is going to take $200 million. And instead of going, oh, okay, I guess

00:40:05.640 we're not going to have American creatine. That's son of a gun. He went, he has a big Twitter

00:40:10.600 following. So he goes, Hey, who wants to start the American creatine project? We're going to be

00:40:16.200 having a meeting on this date. Here's where to apply. If you're a chemical scientist, if you're

00:40:20.640 an investor if you're whatever son of a gun's making a creatine factory isn't that great and

00:40:26.800 he's probably gonna do it and there okay copy and paste that onto about 15 000 different industries

00:40:35.160 yeah and all it takes is one guy who is super audacious and can connect the right people

00:40:43.420 and pretty soon you have re-industrialized something and the thing that i think keeps

00:40:49.280 people from doing this is they look and they go it's too hard it can't be done all the naysayers

00:40:53.900 but a lot like everything here in ogden that we've done we found out about three years after

00:40:58.600 we did it that you can't do it they were like yeah you can't start a school like that you could

00:41:02.900 never do do that and we're like oh dang we did we should make some call we got some calls to make

00:41:07.820 you can't start an alternative alt-right christian media company and we're like this economy

00:41:13.920 yeah we did apparently you can just the elites don't want you to know this you can just do stuff

00:41:18.460 You can just do stuff.

00:41:19.220 So what I'm saying is we start a competing American creatine company for Christmas.

00:41:24.880 That is one of the most exciting aspects of all this is how much opportunity there is.

00:41:29.120 There are so many industries that we don't even realize have gone offshore, but we have

00:41:34.300 all the talent here.

00:41:35.600 Like America has nine out of the 10 best robotics research programs in the world, but they don't

00:41:43.160 have nine out of the 10 most advanced robotics manufacturing companies.

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00:45:11.540 Listen to this clip of a Toby Keith song while we go do it. You know what I mean? Like that,

00:45:18.220 we'll put a boot. That's what I think. I was thinking of made in America. Or I think like

00:45:23.040 we'll hang them high in the, you know, made in America, WD-40. Okay. I didn't think about that.

00:45:29.800 One thing that very much relates to this, we're talking about industries where people just need

00:45:34.440 to be audacious. They need to go try something. Not all of them are going to work, but people

00:45:38.300 need to be trying audacious things and looking at industries where everyone says you can't do

00:45:42.840 a thing about the way it is. You are involved right now in one such audacious. So Stephen's

00:45:50.040 not just investing in Africa and on route to become the president of Libya and maybe the

00:45:56.260 series 24 is based on his life. Allegedly, some have said it was me. You're also involved in

00:46:03.040 thinking, rethinking the mortgage industry and building. Can you tell us about that?

00:46:08.820 Yes. And we're announcing this for the first time ever on the King's Hall podcast is that we are

00:46:13.660 launching a fund and it's very unique. We spent so much time researching the legal angles of this

00:46:19.180 and how we could set up the entity.

00:46:20.920 But essentially what it is,

00:46:22.120 is investors bringing money into the fund

00:46:24.740 and we use that to purchase precious metals.

00:46:27.200 Obviously the track record of precious metals is very good.

00:46:29.860 It aligns with what's going on in the broader economy too,

00:46:32.260 as we see the crazy national debt,

00:46:34.580 $200 trillion of unfunded liabilities

00:46:36.900 and the track record of what gold and silver has done,

00:46:39.720 even versus the S&P in the last 15 years.

00:46:42.720 So we're going to stake the fund entirely in precious metals,

00:46:45.820 but then we're going to leverage out of that fund

00:46:48.060 to do build projects in Christian boroughs.

00:46:50.320 And so nothing like this has really been tried in the past,

00:46:53.200 but we put a lot of research into making sure it would work

00:46:55.300 and we're launching the fund.

00:46:57.000 Let's go.

00:46:58.140 That's super exciting.

00:46:59.080 Let's go.

00:46:59.980 It was interesting the other day,

00:47:02.400 I think it was Jerome Powell,

00:47:04.120 somebody asked him at a press conference

00:47:05.680 what he thought about how high gold and silver

00:47:09.600 or precious metals were rising.

00:47:11.420 And he's like, oh, we don't care about that.

00:47:13.780 Right.

00:47:14.720 So why go in that direction then?

00:47:17.080 I mean, contra Jerome Powell, Stephen.

00:47:20.240 Yeah, well, it's based on the track record first and foremost.

00:47:23.140 I mean, all of our funds numbers are based on, well, what happens if we just repeat what's

00:47:28.180 gone on in the last 15, 25 years?

00:47:30.380 And we see that.

00:47:31.620 But if you look at the trends, they're actually accelerating.

00:47:34.200 Central banks are buying less US dollars and are buying more precious metals.

00:47:38.440 There's a reason for that, is that they expect these trends to accelerate and continue.

00:47:42.600 And it's basic math.

00:47:43.440 If you look at our national debt, our national unfunded liabilities, these precious metals are going to continue to rise in the future.

00:47:50.760 Now, I mean, really anybody can go and buy precious metals and put it in a safe or put it under their bed or something like that.

00:47:57.140 It is an advantage that we are going to do this at scale.

00:47:59.780 But really, the key to this project is that we're not just leaving it in a safe somewhere.

00:48:03.960 We're going to leverage out against that, and we're going to use it to fund bill projects in Christian boroughs.

00:48:09.800 So that the investor who's entering into this can be part of something much larger.

00:48:14.100 They can be a patron of young Christian families who are currently just getting destroyed by the current mortgage and housing system and the price of homes that we spoke about earlier.

00:48:22.860 So this is an example of a couple of things coming together.

00:48:25.100 It's an example of rethinking an existing industry that's highly regulated and set up in ways that are contrary to the interest of the average American.

00:48:36.040 It's also set up in a way or an aim to love our people well, you know, like that young

00:48:42.380 Christian family that you described.

00:48:44.720 It's aiming to also vertically align, I believe, if I'm understanding rightly, with things

00:48:50.580 like Christian borough projects, Ogden.

00:48:52.660 There's some Christian boroughs where people are trying to build thick, vertically integrated

00:48:56.840 Christian communities, trying to align as well with other Christian businesses, builders

00:49:01.120 and things like that.

00:49:02.060 maybe walk us through the use case or just this is what we'd love to see this do from the

00:49:07.620 perspective of a family that's looking to participate or something like that how what

00:49:11.900 would it look like what would you envision there yeah so from every stage from the beginning to

00:49:15.580 the end we're using christian companies so we're using steadcraft to do the construction high

00:49:19.820 quality thousand year homes yeah um just people who really believe in what they're doing we're

00:49:25.300 using alpine gold to do the precious metals purchase so another great christian company

00:49:28.840 And then that's all flowing into a benefit where we're going to see the young Christian families be able to utilize loans that are leveraged from these precious metals.

00:49:39.360 And so from the perspective of those young Christian families, they're able to reduce the amount of interest that they're paying.

00:49:44.980 Potentially in the future, we could even reduce principal payments.

00:49:48.000 It's really unlike any other system.

00:49:49.900 But essentially what we're going to be doing is utilizing nonprofits that are based in these local communities.

00:49:55.820 So the real forefront of this is going to be Ogden and also the Tennessee communities with Ridge Runner.

00:50:00.680 But seeing these bill projects really take off in those areas, because we know that young Christian families want to move to these areas.

00:50:07.920 But it's really cost prohibitive for a lot of families to be able to do that.

00:50:12.120 And so from the perspective of those families, they're going to be seeing a benefit from this.

00:50:15.640 But it's going to be Christian patrons that are participating in this project and making it a reality.

00:50:20.340 We really think God's going to bless that.

00:50:21.940 Yeah, I think that's really cool.

00:50:23.220 So you guys have currently a board set up for this.

00:50:27.200 Are you still looking for investors?

00:50:30.420 You're just looking for people who want to buy and build homes.

00:50:33.940 What stage are you at?

00:50:35.120 Yeah.

00:50:35.280 So primarily right now we're looking for investors and we'd love to have that conversation.

00:50:39.360 The fund's name is Exchequer and Cross.

00:50:42.600 So exchequercross.com is a website that you can go to, to find out more and to get our

00:50:48.440 contact information, to set up a time for us to meet.

00:50:50.880 but we're looking for investors at this point we have uh three initial build projects identified

00:50:56.740 but we want to do more and if god blesses us it could be an incredible project for hundreds of

00:51:01.640 families but we want to really focus in on getting it right in the first few builds and then see

00:51:06.340 where god takes from there i do want to mention in our after hours we're going to have michael

00:51:10.240 foster in he's outside the room right now of steadcraft and talk about some of that ethos

00:51:16.560 behind a thousand year, trying to build quality homes and their vision for starting in the opposite

00:51:23.220 direction of what most people are doing in terms of building, where they're saying in light of the

00:51:26.580 regulation and inflation and all these things, what can we do? And it's usually, well, we can

00:51:31.660 build a really crappy house that's going to last for the 30 year mortgage and then need to be torn

00:51:35.400 down and rebuilt. Yeah. But Brian, now you can get a 50 year loan. Oh, well, that solves everything.

00:51:41.160 Oh, great. I can pay way more interest and lower my payment by $15 a month. That's awesome.

00:51:47.120 Yeah. Actually, because the interest rate is going to go up with a 50 year loan.

00:51:50.760 And they're starting with what kind of home should we be building? If I'm going to serve

00:51:55.320 my Christian brother or sister and build a home for them to live in and their children to be born

00:51:59.100 in, what kind of home would that be? And then how can we make that happen in a way that they can

00:52:03.120 afford and it's going to work? Which is, if you know anything about construction, that's audacious.

00:52:08.900 that's as audacious as what you're describing from the funding and the mortgage side and the

00:52:13.620 investment side. So it's really cool to see all these worlds colliding of the Christian borough,

00:52:19.560 the Christian business, the funding of the mechanism, Christian investment,

00:52:22.420 and try to do something that no one, I don't think anybody's ever done this.

00:52:26.680 No. Yeah. All the board members are aligned with doing this, not out of a sense of profit motive.

00:52:31.400 We're not doing like an annual fee or some sort of an equity split for the people who are running

00:52:36.960 it. We're all just doing this in order to bless Christendom as a whole. And so we put this

00:52:41.520 together in order to really take advantage of the trends that are already happening for the

00:52:46.400 investors who are going to be in this program, but to bless Christian companies and to bless

00:52:50.940 Christian families and to see the 10 pegs extended out to the most that we can possibly do. And we

00:52:57.460 do think that God is going to bless it. I think one of the biggest aspects of this as well is that

00:53:02.600 we are taking IRA rollovers. So you do have to be an accredited investor in order to join this,

00:53:07.160 and we can help walk you through the process of identifying whether you are an accredited

00:53:12.060 investor. But if you have money that's sitting in IRAs, which a lot of people do,

00:53:17.360 you can roll over those IRAs into this fund. And now you're taking money that was going to

00:53:21.860 companies that hate us, and you're putting it into seeing Christian Burroughs expand.

00:53:26.040 Yeah. One thing I think of people listening who are our guys listening, and they hear a bunch of

00:53:31.960 stuff that is terrible sounding on a level. They're like, oh, there's non-profits. Well,

00:53:36.820 we know how the non-profits have been used to totally rape our nation. Oh, and there's lending

00:53:42.520 and we know how lending and what's been associated with lending over the years. And we know all these

00:53:46.580 different aspects. What I want our people to hear on a level is, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, understood.

00:53:53.660 But what we're trying to do here, what is attempt, what is being attempted is to work within the

00:53:57.820 possible. What is actually possible today in the regulatory environment? Like you said,

00:54:03.680 I mean, probably countless dollars spent on, you're a lawyer, but you've had to bring in

00:54:07.580 other lawyers. We have had to bring a whole legal board to make this happen. To actually make this

00:54:12.200 possible. So I think one of the things that can prevent, I want to just touch on it a little bit

00:54:17.280 here. One of the things that can prevent our guys from doing anything is the purity spiral,

00:54:24.160 where instead of asking what is possible

00:54:26.720 being cunning as a serpent in the actual world we live in,

00:54:30.540 what could we do?

00:54:31.740 They ask, what would the absolute platonic ideal

00:54:34.760 of the world be that absolutely doesn't exist?

00:54:38.720 And then unless I can do that, I'm not gonna do anything.

00:54:41.980 And I think that kind of mindset

00:54:43.880 can actually land us into perpetual servitude

00:54:46.700 and being conquered by the left

00:54:48.360 because the left doesn't play that way.

00:54:50.360 The left doesn't think what, 0.94

00:54:51.820 the left didn't think in 2001, well, we want to cut off the genitals of children, which they did 0.98

00:54:57.760 in 2001. Let's, let's campaign on that today. Nope. Instead, they campaigned on let's spend

00:55:04.620 30 years making sitcom media through Hollywood and the TV industry and the media industry that

00:55:10.700 just normalizes gay relationships. Let's spend 30 years doing that. Okay. And then let's spend

00:55:16.240 another 10, 15 years lobbying just for civil unions. Oh, we would never want gay marriage. 0.99

00:55:20.540 of course not i think the first time obama ran he actually he was against yeah he was against

00:55:25.500 same-sex marriage and then let's no no gay marriage it love is love and then before you

00:55:30.340 know it the acceleration to the ideal that they had established back in the earliest most degenerate

00:55:35.600 sex labs of the whatever kinsey and these kind of absolute degenerates had cooked up they got there

00:55:43.740 a century later or 80 years later. And they did it by playing this strategic game. Now,

00:55:51.080 of course, we don't want to, you know, imitate any of their sins. We don't want to imitate any of

00:55:55.540 their ends. But one thing I think Christians and our guys can do better is to say,

00:56:01.540 being cunning, what could we do today? How could we take some ground? How could we gain

00:56:07.940 more economic power? How could we gain more leverage in this economy and slowly increase

00:56:16.180 the pie of our influence and then progressively achieve some of our goals? I think that really can

00:56:22.500 freak people out a little bit. So they hear stuff like this and they go, oh, that's all,

00:56:27.380 you know, so you're saying we're just going to be like the, we're just going to Jew everybody.

00:56:31.040 That's the plan. And you're like, no, no, no, hang on, stay with me. Trying to help Christian

00:56:36.560 families get homes and actually make that achievable and build them really well and involve

00:56:42.320 christian businesses all the way up and down and uh and yeah yeah we've got to work in this

00:56:46.940 regulatory environment that means we can't do every single thing we'd want to do today

00:56:50.520 but what if we did something right you know and that's what i love about this kind of idea yeah

00:56:55.460 it's about planting a flag at the end of the day right and saying christians can come together and

00:56:59.280 do incredible things yeah and we can do these outside of the normal system that's in place

00:57:04.940 right now and just creating the room for God to bless it. And if it's successful, we can continue

00:57:10.820 to grow that and continue to see God bless that even more. Yeah. Yeah. Amen. Can I ask on the

00:57:16.200 financial system and the way banking works now, like what were the specific problems that you

00:57:21.000 guys saw? And maybe we've touched on some of these, but what were the problems you saw that

00:57:25.200 you wanted to alleviate with something like this? Yeah. So one of the things that the Bible talks

00:57:30.320 about is usury over and over and over again. And that's more than just, Hey, you know, where do we

00:57:34.660 set the interest rate for something. It's just, it's taking advantage of people who are in

00:57:38.860 difficult situations. And the financial system that we have in our country definitely does that

00:57:45.060 to everyday Americans. And so how can we reduce that as much as possible, right? We have to work

00:57:50.260 within the current system, but can we set up a system where Christians can help reduce that

00:57:55.440 as much as we possibly can? And so I think everybody who's on board with this really hates

00:58:00.140 usury and really want to see it eliminated. And that's important as you set up something that

00:58:05.080 has financial components, right? We have to still work within certain legal parameters because

00:58:09.980 in order to accept money into a fund, you have to meet certain guidelines set by the SEC and the IRS

00:58:16.940 and all these agencies that will just come down and crush you if you don't do it right. But we

00:58:21.440 think we've developed something that comes very close to what we want to see done at a larger

00:58:26.100 scale. So once this is all funded, everything's set up, I guess maybe walk me through the ideal

00:58:32.740 for a homeowner or somebody who's going to build. What would it look like kind of from start to

00:58:38.480 finish their relationship with you in terms of getting the funding, going through the process?

00:58:45.300 Yeah. So those individual homeowners are working through nonprofits that are aligned with us.

00:58:49.860 And so instead of paying a bank every month, they're paying that nonprofit. And that nonprofit

00:58:54.160 as originating the mortgages to those families.

00:58:56.820 And so they have this beautiful house

00:58:58.240 that's built by Steadcraft

00:58:59.300 and just an amazing long-term generational gift

00:59:04.520 that they're going to give to their children

00:59:05.940 and their children's children in the long-term.

00:59:08.400 But instead of paying money to a bank

00:59:11.200 that doesn't really care about them,

00:59:12.960 they're paying it to a nonprofit.

00:59:14.600 Now that nonprofit, by the virtue of the fact

00:59:16.540 that it can receive donations,

00:59:18.140 is also able to reduce the usury,

00:59:19.960 is able to reduce the interest and the principal over time.

00:59:23.020 and so that's what we really want to see happen yeah that's exciting i would love to see that

00:59:27.740 in more places i mean we've talked about this too like even locally but oh man um just the

00:59:34.080 the opportunity to help people get in homes yes um i wonder if you would talk just a minute because

00:59:38.820 people have asked this a lot and i'm a podcast host and i don't know all the answers here but

00:59:43.840 since we have you um what role in a lot of the housing stuff right now like blackrock companies

00:59:49.680 like that, what role are they playing? And how is that affecting the real estate market?

00:59:56.340 Yeah. So one of the major players in this is Blackstone, which is a company that's just buying

01:00:01.240 up a lot of the single family homes. That has slowed down a little bit, but it's something

01:00:05.900 that you look at it across a system and it's just immoral, right? You have families that are trying

01:00:10.900 to achieve some level of what they've been taught is the American dream. They're trying to stake

01:00:14.640 themselves and create lasting value. And the government has really created a system in which

01:00:19.680 the house is supposed to be some sort of store of long-term value, right? And that's not necessarily

01:00:25.480 a natural thing that occurs, but through the various government systems, they've really

01:00:29.320 created this incentive to get into a home as a financial vehicle. And this is less of a home,

01:00:34.920 and it's more of just a financial asset. And that has completely wrecked the middle class

01:00:39.260 to the point now where you have people in Gen Z and younger who are looking at home affordability

01:00:43.820 are just, you know, blown away by how difficult that is. At Curios Capital, we have done fix and

01:00:49.260 flip projects and single family homes, but we have started to sell off those assets by and large

01:00:55.500 because we don't want to participate in that system. Interesting. So you're actually selling

01:00:59.680 single family homes now? Yes, we've sold all but one and that one is on the market right now.

01:01:04.000 Interesting. And that was ideological. It was. Yeah. These were homes that were technically

01:01:08.880 cash flowing and homes that we probably could have sold for cash to a big corporation. And

01:01:14.400 instead we sold them off to families. Wow. Praise God. How do you, if you're talking to other

01:01:19.380 investors, how do you find it hard? Curious the process on this, but like ideologically convincing

01:01:26.140 them of something like that. Cause I think this is something we were talking about in one of our

01:01:30.740 episodes recently. Like the, the whole mindset in a lot of the investing world is basically I'm

01:01:37.040 taking care of me, I'm looking for profit. But when you do stuff like that, it's not in the end,

01:01:43.000 just a financial calculus. So how are you, do you find it hard to convince other people of that

01:01:49.060 in the investing world to make an ideological decision like that? Yeah, I think success breeds

01:01:55.160 success, right? So when you're competent at something and you're executing in a good way,

01:01:59.740 you'll get a lot of people who are interested. And then it becomes, well, do I want to take

01:02:03.380 this investor's money if they're so not aligned with my vision for the project. And that's what

01:02:08.440 we've had to do recently is, you know, sometimes somebody is not a good fit and you get a sense

01:02:12.400 that they're chasing something that's ultimately going to rub up against one of the principles

01:02:17.040 that you have in terms of investing and you just kind of turn them away. And it's not something

01:02:23.480 that many investors do is turn away money from other people. And obviously you can't turn away

01:02:28.300 everybody that's not perfectly aligned with you in every single way, but especially working through

01:02:32.900 Christian communities, sponsoring New Christendom Press, Curios Capital. We've seen investors come

01:02:39.640 up who are aligned with our guys, who are invested in New Christendom. And so that's been really

01:02:45.660 exciting to see. And when you get investors that understand the vision for that, they're willing

01:02:50.400 to ride with you the waves up and down. And the first people who invested in me were from my local

01:02:54.780 church in Long Island, New York. Really? Yeah. People who were members of our church who found

01:03:00.500 out that I was doing something cool and who put their faith in me. And that was how we got our

01:03:05.180 first apartment syndication underway. And, you know, you couldn't ask for better investors in

01:03:10.280 that sense. Yeah, no, that's really cool. One of the things I want you to do is just

01:03:14.780 plug one more time where people can reach out to you. I will say you guys will be at the conference

01:03:19.960 in June. Yes. So that's certainly a good time if people are interested, want to learn more

01:03:24.020 and want to interface with you. And I think Michael Foster is going to be there as well

01:03:28.660 from steadcraft absolutely so that would be good for people to connect there um but yeah just plug

01:03:33.860 for me what's the best way to for people to get a hold of you yeah so they should go to exchequer

01:03:39.080 cross.com and we can link to that in the show notes so be sure to check that so they just go

01:03:44.040 go to that we can have it come across in like sparkly like yeah commercial across the screen

01:03:48.280 right now just that's where i go but wait there's more for every home that we build with steadcraft

01:03:56.400 we are going to be also executing a hostile takeover of a PCUSA church.

01:04:04.020 That's right.

01:04:04.660 That's actually not true.

01:04:05.380 That's actually not true.

01:04:06.600 So if they go to exchequercross.com,

01:04:09.220 there will be a place where they can go and put in their contact information

01:04:12.400 and we will get a hold of them and sit down and we'll have a conversation.

01:04:16.040 Again, this is towards accredited investors,

01:04:18.060 but a lot of people count themselves out because they look at the requirements for that

01:04:22.220 and they think, oh, there's no way.

01:04:23.640 And then when they actually sit down and do the math,

01:04:25.500 there's a way for us to get them invested in the project. So if you have money in IRAs, for example,

01:04:31.560 this is a perfect opportunity to roll that over and have it staked in precious metals, but benefiting

01:04:36.560 not companies that hate us, but benefiting Christian families. So that's the best way to

01:04:41.540 get ahold of us. And we'll sit down and have a conversation and kind of educate the investor

01:04:46.180 about the nuances of the investment and how things work and get into a lot more details than we can

01:04:50.860 get into today on the show. Yeah, that's exciting. For the end user, the homeowners, do you have any

01:04:57.180 idea of how long it will take to get spooled up where you're actually doing the mortgages and

01:05:02.160 building process? Yeah, so it's very customized based on the individual borrower, right? And

01:05:09.380 that's one of the flexibilities that we have is since we're working through nonprofits, that's

01:05:12.460 really the job of the nonprofits to select that out more than the investment fund. But you have

01:05:17.260 a lot of flexibility there because we don't have to abide by the same terms that those who are

01:05:21.980 producing government mortgages have to abide by. So there's a lot of variability in the types of

01:05:26.800 mortgages that are set up. Again, we're using the kind of two flagship Christian boroughs of

01:05:31.360 Ogden and Tennessee to be able to do that. And so having relationships on the ground there is

01:05:36.120 going to be really helpful. We know families who are right now ready to move in and ready to,

01:05:40.460 to, you know, uh, make their Christian, uh, families and to, uh, be on the ground there

01:05:46.800 in those boroughs. Yeah. I think it's exciting to see that. And, and maybe we can close with

01:05:51.700 that, Brian, but I've been encouraged obviously here in Ogden, but Tennessee as well, right after

01:05:58.400 2020, there was sort of this spike in interest that people are like kind of hitting the panic

01:06:02.000 button, trying to make like immediate moves. But we've seen here that now we're in the phase where

01:06:06.740 people are making long-term decisions, you know, and, and it's still shading in that direction of

01:06:12.160 people realize like, no, I actually need to have like vision aligned, ideological aligned

01:06:18.420 communities that have my back. And I think that, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's just

01:06:24.600 such an important part of living, especially in a hostile world like this. Yeah. Yeah. So many

01:06:29.220 people, and I know some of them, in 2020, pulled the ripcord, moved from their urban or suburban

01:06:37.100 area to a rural area, even going, ah, the solution is I'm going to get some land and I'm going to

01:06:42.440 get some, I'm going to homestead a little bit. I'm going to get more independent. And then they did

01:06:46.060 that and they realized that actually homesteading as a side job is probably pretty difficult for

01:06:53.280 most people and not really going to be that helpful. You're not really going to do a lot

01:06:57.120 by yourself. You're still going to have to have a job and afford it. And then they also ran into

01:07:01.100 and there was no, where's the church? Who are the people? Who are my kids going to marry? Who are

01:07:04.820 going to be friends with? Who are we going to hang out with on a Friday night? You actually have to

01:07:08.200 have networks of people. I'm going to be shaped by the people around me and my kids are going to

01:07:11.960 be shaped by the people around me. Are we just going to be this isolated, floating based Christian

01:07:17.320 family that, you know, kind of struggles through the homesteading thing and does some homeschooling,

01:07:23.040 I guess. And then our kids grow up and go, yeah, but mom and dad, we can't live here. What are we

01:07:27.960 going to do? Because I know you had that great remote job that let you work, figure this out.

01:07:33.160 What are we going to do? And then many of those families are either have already are in the

01:07:38.280 process of saying, yeah, we've got to actually rethink this and move and join a Christian

01:07:44.220 community somewhere where they can get those things and where the people are. And that to me

01:07:49.700 is the secret sauce. I actually, um, far less important to me is the question of like, what

01:07:55.400 is it rural? Is it urban? Is it suburban? What kind of, where, where I, I'm much less interested

01:08:00.360 in that than I am in are the people there. Are you going to have the people? Cause that's what

01:08:06.100 you need. Well, that's what you need. You'll do well if the people are there. Yeah, that's right.

01:08:10.340 And I think the pivotal part for me, especially as my kids get older, uh, have one who's married

01:08:15.100 now and you really do start thinking about like what jobs are they going to work here because

01:08:20.240 yeah and they wanted to stay yeah but we're realizing in the community but you actually

01:08:25.560 have to have things that keep them rooted here so schools and churches and really all these

01:08:31.780 institutions that we've lost have to be rebuilt that's right and we have to have those resources

01:08:36.500 so that they can stay and so that you can continue to have this community and when you have what's

01:08:41.720 amazing when you get started on building those communities and you see that is that the Lord

01:08:47.700 brings people and the, through the network of the people, things happen that you never would

01:08:52.320 have thought to do like this. You never would have things that you never would have thought to

01:08:57.240 do, but it took that other person and the skills they had, you know, you bring these skills of the

01:09:01.920 lawyer and real estate investor. And so you've got a lot of experience in this financial world,

01:09:06.800 but also the real estate world and also the legal world and then you get together with another guy

01:09:12.700 that's really passionate about building homes that people could live in for a thousand years

01:09:16.980 and then you start thinking of and just the the natural network effects of people

01:09:22.980 they are you you can't even possibly predict what will happen when you get the people together

01:09:29.320 things happen in ogden now that i just go i never would have thought of that yeah but but i have no

01:09:34.680 i have no doubt i'm wildly overconfident probably but i have no doubt that that 30 years from now

01:09:40.740 there will be men in our church who employ in the hundreds of people and in in more and more

01:09:47.020 align our people yeah because of the type of men they are that the lord and his providence brought

01:09:52.060 you know it says in act 17 26 that god appointed these boundaries and the peoples of the world and

01:09:56.960 he does that on that national level but he also does it on the community and individual level

01:10:00.920 god doesn't build a church for example of all mouths he builds a church that is a little

01:10:05.580 microcosm of the body it has a mouth and ear hands feet has everything that it needs to to work

01:10:11.100 that's true all the way up and down it's like a fractal and what when you get a taste of it

01:10:17.040 it's just hard to describe how glorious it is so that we're always you know people like why are you

01:10:22.820 trying to get people to move to ogden i'm like i'm not necessarily just trying to get people to

01:10:25.400 move to ogden and some people we say moving to ogden isn't the right move for you but i am trying

01:10:30.420 to get people to consider, even if it takes radical changes in their life, if they don't

01:10:36.520 have that to get to where they do have that. Yeah. Yeah. It's really helpful. I think we'll

01:10:41.400 end here. Uh, Steven, it's been great having you appreciate you joining us. I would encourage our

01:10:46.500 listeners come to the conference in June. Um, you can go to new christened press.com. Is it

01:10:51.240 slash conference? Go to the war for normal.com. Oh, excuse me, which is our conference website,

01:10:55.800 the war for normal. And one of the events that we have, we actually have a sponsor of the

01:11:00.400 event here in this room what me it's steven totter no of our golf tournament yes we uh are putting on

01:11:08.840 a golf scramble four-man teams if you sign up and you don't have a whole team that's great we'll

01:11:12.580 put teams together that's going to be a ton of fun but also we'll have a singles you're playing

01:11:16.760 right yeah of course of course okay yeah i mean who's playing winning he might not be scotty

01:11:23.600 scheffler who listens to this show by the way well it's going to be he definitely listens and maybe

01:11:28.900 i mean i i hope he does but we we say like every show we pitch we're like look scotty scotty if

01:11:37.560 you're listening can i call you scotty and he's like no you can't we have a singles mixer um which

01:11:43.000 is a great way for single men young single men young single women to meet have an opportunity

01:11:48.960 to meet a lot of people and then if you have interest in anybody you meet be able to connect

01:11:53.000 with them through the conference weekend we've had a lot of ways we've had another one a couple

01:11:57.660 of weeks ago that just took place from a, from the conference, from the singles mixer, got a

01:12:02.400 business mixer, a VIP mixer. There are a lot of events. We've said this over and over, but every

01:12:08.720 year of the conference, we've tried to make it more and more geared towards friendship, coalition

01:12:15.000 building, making new alliances. It's not just about coming and hearing talks you could hear on

01:12:18.880 YouTube. It is about making connections with people. You're, you're, you know, your whole

01:12:23.740 family we've i got to go out to new york and and meet your family and see what's happening there

01:12:28.920 but also um having you guys here just there have been opportunities from getting together that you

01:12:35.120 can't get any other way yeah um we've also this year tried to make our conference more affordable

01:12:40.280 than ever with the family pass which is a one ticket cost that is it covers a husband and wife

01:12:46.220 and their household their children immediate family um and we've had so many families sign up

01:12:53.200 and be able to come to the conference this year

01:12:55.360 that when I looked and did the math,

01:12:56.660 I was like, wow, this would have cost you

01:12:58.480 40, 50% more in previous years.

01:13:00.420 Why didn't we think of this earlier?

01:13:01.860 And we've been able to have even more.

01:13:03.880 Because of that, I will say the conference

01:13:05.760 is like 40% more sold out for this time of year

01:13:10.140 than it was any other year.

01:13:12.100 And we do have a cap on our venue.

01:13:15.500 So I do think it's gonna sell out

01:13:17.260 and I would encourage people

01:13:18.680 if you're gonna come to plan ahead.

01:13:20.380 um i'll be putting on a concert of only imagine dragons covers what about okay yeah listeners

01:13:27.980 have asked this question yeah okay when is the creed it's coming cover coming out it's it listen

01:13:35.320 guys it's coming okay we're gonna get it done the creed cover that i promised is coming and it will

01:13:42.080 be coming out in conjunction with an announcement about my next album that lord willing i am aiming

01:13:49.980 and working hard to launch the week of the conference a brand new album i'm probably

01:13:54.760 going to need your help to do that so we can talk creed covers coming i feel like right now

01:14:00.080 you might be six feet from the edge well i'm thinking maybe six maybe so i'm looking forward

01:14:10.100 to that yeah it's gonna be an amazing conference looking forward to it it's gonna be great well

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01:14:39.040 Yeah, that.

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01:14:40.060 That's exactly what I meant.

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The King's Hall - March 13, 2026

Homes for The Next Generation with Stephen Totter

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