00:22:53.120And, and yeah, so you could go on CandaceOwens.com and watch the film version of The Case for Patriarchy called What a Woman Is on CandaceOwens.com or on her Twitter handle.
00:23:07.140It's her second Twitter handle at Candace O Show.
00:23:10.820And it's $1.99 and it's, it's, it's a pretty terrific film.
00:23:14.360So to go check it out, it'll psych up Christian patriarchs to return to restore Christian
00:26:47.860Red Top Report is going to be incorporated under it.
00:26:50.280Father Robinson's show is going to be incorporated under it.
00:26:52.660And the foundational purpose of this organization is to properly equip Christian Zoomers in the United States, specifically the young men that need it right now, the proper apologetics, the proper catechesis, the proper hermeneutics on understanding the teachings of the church over the past 2,000 years.
00:27:17.600We just started our initial fundraising push, and it's going super well.
00:27:21.200So we just can't wait to hit the airwaves. We're super excited about it. My focus is going to be
00:27:25.500on restoring the American family, restoring the American church and defending and preserving the
00:27:31.540heritage of the United States of America. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I think a lot of really
00:27:35.720important work. Obviously, Calvin Robinson, there's been some guys getting into the fray,
00:27:39.360which you love to see. I think particularly on this subject of patriarchy, it is kind of
00:27:44.300interesting because there was a time when this was like maybe even 2019. It was pretty, you know,
00:27:50.280like people were sounding alarms if you even mentioned the word patriarchy sort of seeing
00:27:55.280more of the inroads especially with the young guys um some of that is probably due to red pill
00:28:00.220but also i think work like yours uh talking about and you you do this tim in the in the documentary
00:28:06.340not only talking about uh the role for women in the home but i also thought the documentary was
00:28:13.860really good because it showcased the beauty and the form that is supposed to be a part of god's
00:28:19.040nature. And, um, so I guess if you would just talk about that, as you're lining this out,
00:28:24.400you're, you're setting up to do the documentary, you film the thing, uh, what was kind of going
00:28:28.580through your mind in terms of, uh, obviously we have to convey truth, but we also have to show0.60
00:28:35.200that women can be a glory when in their proper role as well. It's aesthetic as well as it is,
00:28:42.400you know logos truth that's a great point i mean remember scripture tells us that man is the image
00:28:50.600and glory of god woman is the glory of man and they're if we're all straight dudes here women
00:28:56.520our wives specifically are oh so glorious to us uh because i think the three of us here have
00:29:02.120wonderful christian wives it's an amazing glory they are the the fairer sex but the the the drawback
00:29:10.520and the way that it existed, I think both before and after the fall of Adam in the garden is,
00:29:16.040men are the main characters and their wives are their helpmeets. And I don't know about you guys,
00:29:21.920you, you, you, you based Protestants on your side of things or the based orthos on their side of
00:29:26.820things. But in Roman Catholicism, Joel Webin tells me it's the same in Roman Catholicism.
00:29:32.400The most you could say is, well, man's sort of the head, but it's a spiritual headship.
00:29:37.480and there's all this hedging and these words that are used to undergird the statement to take the
00:29:45.460sting off of it. And they say, this doesn't mean he's the leader. This doesn't mean he's the main
00:29:49.420character. This doesn't mean he's the boss. You have Father Mike Schmitz with like one of the
00:29:54.500most popular Christian podcasts in the world saying this every fifth show, what feels like.
00:29:59.800And that's just not right. Men are absolutely, any Christian who takes scripture seriously knows
00:30:06.780Men are the boss. Women have to obey in all things but sin. Women were made to aid men in
00:30:13.120their projects, their husbands in their projects. And it's a beautiful design. It works really well
00:30:18.700and young men are really attracted to it. When I was a high school teacher and a college
00:30:22.580instructor, my young male students would always say, how do you get that? My wife would bring
00:30:29.240me lunch or whatever and they'd just see us laughing or goofing off. They'd say, how do you0.95
00:30:33.100get that because your wife and you seem really happy. And my parents aren't that way. None of
00:30:37.380my friends' parents are that way. And I just say Christianity, man, but the real version, not,
00:30:42.220not the anti-scripture. And one last thing in 2019, since you brought it up, Eric,
00:30:47.460I announced on a major Catholic podcast on, on Matt Fradd show that I was beginning to write
00:30:53.340this book, the case for patriarchy. And I just said, look, as you know, Matt, women are out of
00:30:58.200control. I just come from Disney world and I'm like, women are out of control. And he was0.99
00:31:02.820freaked. I mean, this is seven years ago. He's completely freaked out. And I'm like,
00:31:07.640I'm writing this book, had a different title then, but I just set out on the project. It was in the
00:31:12.140offing. And it shocked everyone that I said I'd be doing a defense of patriarchy and a broad
00:31:18.600side attack on all forms of feminism. By 2022, 2023, thanks largely to the red pill in the secular
00:31:26.960cultural sort of right-wing masculine movements they really helped us to clear out the weeds
00:31:34.540but you know so i just want to say that things changed faster than i thought they would change
00:31:39.800the overton window shifted to the right largely due to them because they what they did that was
00:31:45.300very effective was what i said before they were saying we have a big headache now they have no
00:31:49.980cures. And that's where men need to shut them out and turn on the Eric Kahn's or the Joel Webbins
00:31:57.460or the, you know, Timothy J. Gordon's or Joe Enders, or, you know, listen to even Jay Dyer
00:32:04.000on this is really strong on patriarchy. The red pill has served its purpose and it no longer has
00:32:10.060purpose. We need to loudly announce this. Yeah, I think that's a really good point. One of the
00:32:15.080questions I have for you is you look at the documentary. I guess one thing that stood out
00:32:19.340to me was the number of ladies on there. I think almost every single one, like they didn't grow up1.00
00:32:24.960necessarily patriarchal, right? A lot of them talked about careers, law school, kind of coming
00:32:29.640to some sort of realization that maybe that wasn't the direction they wanted to head.
00:32:34.460Why do you think it's so important in the messaging toward women? A lot of them don't
00:32:39.460actually know that they have an alternative choice, right? They just think feminism is the1.00
00:32:43.520only choice that they could make. They usually get made fun of if they say that they want to0.97
00:32:47.640stay at home and be a mom or something like this. But why is that so important to show them real
00:32:52.420life examples of this is actually a choice? All of the women that are in that segment of1.00
00:32:59.380the documentary, you don't really hear from a woman until about 50, 55 minutes in. It's amazing
00:33:04.820women. My wife is one of them who all were thriving in the modern academy at law, med, vet,1.00
00:33:11.560business, Ivy League schools, you know, in vet school, in med school, in law school,0.92
00:33:17.440wanting to be Amy Coney Barrett. And it's not so much that they thought consciously
00:33:23.640that feminism was their only option. It's close to that. Alfred North Whitehead said,
00:33:29.480we scrutinize an era not by its suppositions, but by its presuppositions. And that's the
00:33:35.780important difference. Women don't even know they're being given an option. They're not1.00
00:33:40.220willfully selecting feminism the way maybe they were in the 60s and 70s. Actually, if you look at
00:33:45.480the numbers, Eric, fewer women now identify as feminists than they did in the 60s and 70s. But
00:33:52.800feminism has wormed its way more deeply into the host organism. So now women are more feminist1.00
00:33:59.660while identifying as feminists less. And that's a more dangerous situation. So to answer your1.00
00:34:05.400question in a word, the reason that that segment of the documentary is, I think, the greatest part
00:34:10.200to the documentary is there are five or six or seven great ladies out there who are exemplars0.89
00:34:16.660and kind of titular models for others that show, yeah, lots of women got themselves out of the1.00
00:34:22.980system. It wasn't too late even after they'd gotten a half an undergrad degree, an undergrad1.00
00:34:28.300degree, or even a graduate degree in, you know, law, med, vet, business. These were women that
00:34:36.040could have been high-powered boss babes, and they just said, no, because when I was in law school,1.00
00:34:41.480all I would see at the back of the room was women doing womenly things, looking up womenly things1.00
00:34:47.760on their laptops as you looked down at the lecture hall. This is very typical. Women can be deceived1.00
00:34:53.600for a short while. You know, you can sort of get the leg up on nature for a day or maybe a year1.00
00:35:01.520or maybe part of a decade. But at the end, nature wins and God created nature to have men and women
00:35:07.180doing very different things. Women are naturally interested in and have excellences pertaining to
00:35:12.460the home. Yeah, I think that's a great point. I think you saw this even recently. I think1.00
00:35:17.920yesterday I saw this making the rounds, but there was a video of a young woman and she was holding
00:35:23.800a baby and she just started crying and she was like, I need to have like eight of these. And,
00:35:28.800you know, of course people were pointing this out. They were like, it's like hitting the factory
00:35:32.160reset. Like nature is going to find a way. This is what women were made to do. There's also another
00:35:38.680connection though, that you make in the documentary that I find really fascinating. I sort of started
00:35:44.260reading about this, I think with like Rachel Wilson, feminism and the occult. You can also
00:35:49.720read a lot of like E. Michael Jones and the stuff on Percy and Mary Shelley. There's this really
00:35:55.740interesting tie to feminism, the occult. But what struck me, right, like Percy Shelley
00:36:02.500reversed Milton's Paradise Lost. And he said that the woman was the hero and Satan was the hero
00:36:11.120because they were the revolutionaries who usurped God. And so they promote freedom in sort of the
00:36:17.180French Revolution mindset. What's also interesting, though, in America is Elizabeth Cady Stanton0.66
00:36:22.820reiterated the same thing she said that satan was much like plato enlightening woman who could then
00:36:29.680free herself from the shackles of the home and all this so i want to ask you about that the occult
00:36:34.720why i mean the first time i read that first time i thought about that i was like there's no way
00:36:39.560that witches are real and that the occult really is tied to feminism you start reading about this
00:36:44.520stuff and you're like no actually i think that is the case tell me just a little bit more about
00:36:48.280that? Why is it so important to point out the occult in this movement? Well, I think the best
00:36:55.060way to answer that is to say that the normies conception of feminism is that its first wave
00:37:01.240is the innocuous one. Yeah, the normative one. Absolutely. And it's actually the most explicit0.89
00:37:09.520and it's the originary copy of feminism. I mean, everything else is sort of second wave, third1.00
00:37:13.680wave is a copy of the first wave. The first wave is the most explicitly occult. So at the 1848
00:37:21.480meeting between, as you mentioned, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and others, it was widely understood
00:37:28.280there in Seneca Falls, New York, to be a, like a seance of witches is basically, it was a gathering
00:37:34.700of witches and they memorialized the documents and they had really five big goals. I talked about
00:37:40.240this extensively in case for patriarchy. And the five big goals were evil. They were to make,
00:37:45.860make, make women promiscuous, get them out of the home, get them into jobs, make them, uh, pastors1.00
00:37:52.080and priestesses and generally speaking to wage revolution against men. And all of these five
00:37:59.400goals are cognizable as second and third and fourth wave feminism goals, because in essence,0.94
00:38:06.360feminism is not about waves but witchcraft and and it's all just one big copy of the first
00:38:13.000iteration of feminism or first way of feminism it's fascinating how much of feminism comes out
00:38:19.280of the babylonian talmud and really is all modeled after lilith and eve and the way i cast it we cast
00:38:26.900it in the movie uh i talk about the little bit in case for patriarchy we talk about it more in the
00:38:31.220movie is that Lilith is Adam's, you know, for us Christians, she's not really his first wife.
00:38:37.660She's his apocryphal first wife that comes out of the Babylonian Talmud, but she is the feminist
00:38:42.500superhero because she, as Stanton said and Percy Shelley said, she defied the biblical and familial1.00
00:38:51.120patriarchy and got away with it. Whereas Eve, Adam's second wife, according to the Talmud,0.90
00:38:56.800defied god and man the patriarchy if you will but she got punished for it so she's a tragic hero0.54
00:39:03.840feminists like eve but they love lilith and if you grew up in the 90s all you would hear about
00:39:10.220is lilith fest lilith fair lilith crane lilith jewish women's feminine magazine it was a big
00:39:16.920deal you're like what's the deal with with lilith if you understand lilith you understand feminism
00:39:21.600and why it doesn't have waves no i was gonna say i think another important fixture that i think a
00:39:26.240lot of people miss about this is like, though the movement started gaining traction in the 1840s,
00:39:31.340the church had been at war with this basically from the very start. You know, you see them going
00:39:35.600to war against the Talmud, you know, under multiple popes throughout medieval Christendom.
00:39:40.480You look before that, they were dealing with witches. They wrote an entire book on it called
00:39:44.200the Maleus Maleficarum, which is called in English, that's the hammer of witches. And it
00:39:50.200talked about some of the identifiers of witches. And a lot of it does include a lot of the feminist
00:39:54.820thought that you would see later. This is just a simple ongoing battle that's been going on since1.00
00:40:00.320basically the beginning of the church that has simply started gaining traction in the 1800s as
00:40:05.220faith started dwindling and secularization started rising. Yeah, it's really interesting too. I
00:40:10.380remember reading like Wilhelm Reich, who of course is like the father of the sexual revolution.
00:40:15.660I think they're in Austria using psychoanalysis and all this, but they said something like
00:40:19.620Reich did that, you know, the way that you spread revolution, you don't have an argument or a
00:40:23.880debate about God. You just expose them to smut, pornography, and then people eventually stop
00:40:30.240believing in God. And you can see this in the psychoanalytic movements of Freud into this
00:40:36.160century. And of course, like Abigail Schreier has pointed out, like transgenderism, which is
00:40:41.320targeted at women. It's just the apotheosis of feminism, right? You get all this, all this crazy0.99
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00:51:58.240And this is, again, another point that Father Chad links to the current rule is the fact that Adam's real sin in the garden was he didn't want to be removed from the pleasant company of his wife.
00:59:04.560You know, they're not going to badmouth the red pill.
00:59:07.240The patriarchists are largely in this camp as well.
00:59:10.620I think Nick is pretty much firmly in the patriarchist camp himself.
00:59:15.760But the disagreement that they seem to be having with us patriarchists right now is
00:59:22.180that they seem to think that they can violate the truce.
00:59:24.280They seem to think they can violate the ceasefire.
00:59:26.100I think the best example that I've seen of this is with Elijah Schaefer and Sarah Stock after this whole situation.
00:59:31.420Instead of taking the opportunity to talk about how down bad women have become, how much they have descended and embraced feminism, to the point, they tried to make it about being Christian, about the inherent state of Christianity leading men towards this cuckery, this whole – it's – I just – the way I view it is it's unfair.
00:59:55.260I mean, like we said to them that we're not going to attack you and they're coming and attacking us.
01:00:00.060They're trying to tie the evils, the ties, the evils of feminism to the Christian faith itself.