The King's Hall - February 03, 2023


How to Make a Bastard World

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A Famine of Fatherhood: Symptoms of Fatherlessness What Are Fathers For?

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00:00:42.480 Whenever any sociological feature becomes pronounced in a society, that feature will of course have its advocates, its prophets, and priests.
00:00:51.620 I would argue that the new militant atheism that has appeared in our midst over the last decade
00:00:56.740 can actually be understood as the intellectual vanguard of our fatherlessness.
00:01:01.740 Fatherlessness, as it turns out, has its apologists.
00:01:05.280 These men are able to defend fatherlessness quite capably,
00:01:08.820 for they were in fact shaped by it and want in turn to shape it further.
00:01:12.740 They want to make more of what made them.
00:01:15.220 But there is a perverse twist in this.
00:01:18.060 Father hunger made them, and so this means that what they want to usher in is a larger famine for others.
00:01:25.260 An excerpt from Father Hunger by Douglas Wilson.
00:01:28.580 You're listening to the King's Hall Podcast, making self-ruled men who rule well and win the world.
00:01:37.260 Well, welcome to this episode of the King's Hall Podcast, gentlemen.
00:01:40.400 It is fantastic to be with you.
00:01:42.800 I don't know why, but today I feel like I've been watching some Top Gun.
00:01:46.820 Uh-huh.
00:01:47.120 And I feel like we need call signs.
00:01:49.420 I was hoping that you would bring it up because it's such a good idea,
00:01:56.440 and I have so many good ideas that I wanted to share the wealth.
00:01:59.580 I think that's the right thing to do.
00:02:01.420 I would obviously be Leroy Jenkins, but Dan, I don't know.
00:02:04.840 Okay, just so we're clear from this point forward, my call sign will be Deathblade.
00:02:09.320 How about you, Captain? What's your call sign?
00:02:11.180 I will be Captain Raymond Holt.
00:02:12.760 I knew you wouldn't play ball, and that is why your call sign is Wet Blanket.
00:02:17.120 I don't know what to tell you.
00:02:18.540 I don't think you get to pick your own call sign.
00:02:20.580 You don't.
00:02:21.440 No, it's bestowed on you by other men, like masculinity.
00:02:24.160 But Dan, I don't know.
00:02:25.460 Viking?
00:02:26.460 Viking.
00:02:26.920 Viking.
00:02:27.360 Calvin.
00:02:27.860 Raider.
00:02:28.380 Which means bald head.
00:02:29.100 I mean, does it really?
00:02:30.480 It really does.
00:02:31.380 Yeah, I feel bad.
00:02:32.440 One of my kids, his name is Calvin, and he has real trouble growing hair.
00:02:36.620 I mean, he's only two.
00:02:38.200 It is kind of a weird one.
00:02:39.640 What about Pillager?
00:02:40.620 Pillager. 1.00
00:02:41.160 Because it's like a Viking, you know?
00:02:43.440 Or, you know, we could always go like in the movie.
00:02:45.980 The one guy's name was just Bob.
00:02:48.040 And they were like, what's your call sign?
00:02:49.180 He was like, Bob.
00:02:50.420 They're like, well, what's your name?
00:02:52.380 Bob.
00:02:53.260 It's Bob.
00:02:54.120 I feel bad because you guys are being very generous with my call sign,
00:02:57.420 and I would call Brian, like, sweetie or something like that.
00:03:01.020 The sweet psalmist of Ogden.
00:03:01.940 I wouldn't answer.
00:03:02.600 I mean, I just simply wouldn't answer that.
00:03:04.160 The problem is, sweet psalmist of Ogden is long on a helmet.
00:03:07.200 Yeah, it wouldn't work.
00:03:07.960 Well, that's why you call him, sweetie.
00:03:09.300 I'd prefer to be something like swordsman or.
00:03:13.280 you know what guys the king's hall podcast now to now to hang up the headphones and i leave
00:03:22.260 that's all it took that was it that was it that's all you had to take frenchmen like if you're going
00:03:27.900 to do an insulting one at least that one has the patent there have been but you're not even 0.58
00:03:31.320 french Canadian and yeah that's that's a good point Canadian actually is just an insult at
00:03:37.340 this point. We could call you Makaday. Makaday. Doesn't that mean black? I don't know what it 0.99
00:03:45.140 means. I don't speak. No, Gitchy is big in Ojibwe. Makaday is black. So Gitchy Makaday
00:03:51.520 Kwe is big, big black woman. Interesting. We could call you Gitchy. I would not, again. 1.00
00:03:56.660 Okay, call signs, bad idea. Anyway. Call signs, here we are. Speaking of Gitchy Gitchy, we
00:04:02.260 have a big, big episode today. Stop appropriating my culture. What a segue though. So we'll leave 0.97
00:04:10.720 that to our listeners. If you guys have ideas for call signs, you can send those to us on social
00:04:14.680 media. We're into episode two of fatherlessness, actually episode three, if you count the
00:04:19.960 introduction. So we talked about symptoms last time. This episode, we're going to be talking
00:04:24.400 about the causes and Dan how did we get to this point in our culture and as we do this gentlemen
00:04:32.340 we're going to look at the causes I think it's also going to set up a lot of the content for
00:04:35.980 the rest of season two I'm really glad you didn't have a question there because I was not ready
00:04:40.940 wow yeah yes well there's going to be questions Eric Eric includes you in the conversation by
00:04:46.200 saying your name and I love it but sometimes he's like you know and Brian I just I'm wondering if
00:04:52.140 If you can do any differential equations for us right now, I'm like, no, I cannot.
00:04:55.700 Where are we?
00:04:56.400 I cannot.
00:04:57.100 I cannot do that.
00:04:58.420 Eric, thank you.
00:04:59.240 Yes, it is my pleasure.
00:05:00.920 Point number one, gentlemen, we're looking at the causes of our cultural decay, particularly
00:05:06.200 regarding fatherlessness.
00:05:08.480 And Brian, this gets to the quote that you read from Douglas Wilson.
00:05:11.300 Number one, atheism is the intellectual vanguard of fatherlessness.
00:05:16.800 So one of the things that he's pointing out in the book, and he references all the work
00:05:19.960 he had done on the documentary and debates with Christopher Hitchens. And really what he talks
00:05:24.880 about is that the thing that really set Christopher off as an atheist was the idea that God is a
00:05:30.020 father who has sovereign care over his creation. So the first question is just why do you think
00:05:36.760 this was, I think Doug's right. A, do you think he's right? And B, why? Yeah, absolutely. I mean,
00:05:43.220 we talked last episode about the cosmic fatherhood of God sitting at the foundation of all of
00:05:49.560 reality. You can go all the way down to the bottom, and what do you find? You find a father
00:05:54.020 there, the fatherhood of God. And so when we're talking about atheism, we're talking about a
00:06:00.040 rejection of a father. We're talking about a rejection of patriarchy, in a sense. And so
00:06:06.940 that's why one of the reasons even that we've been so strong on our need to recover like a
00:06:13.160 sexed piety, the recovery of godly biblical masculinity and fatherhood in culture and godly
00:06:20.740 biblical femininity and motherhood in culture is because actually getting that wrong is much more
00:06:27.200 foundational than some people think. Some people think that these are just sort of way downstream
00:06:32.860 doctrines that don't have a lot to do with much, but really at the root there's a father, and that
00:06:38.180 means that fatherhood is going to be a tectonic kind of issue. So atheists, they get it wrong at
00:06:47.300 the beginning. And one of the ways they get it wrong at the beginning is by erasing, really
00:06:53.400 plugging their ears, closing their eyes and shouting, no, no, no, no, no, the fatherhood of
00:06:57.820 God. Why do you think, Dan, that the atheism, so we had that whole movement, it was kind of going
00:07:04.000 on concurrently with young, restless, and reformed, but new atheism was coming on the
00:07:08.520 scene, like the OOs, it was really, really popular, Sam Harris, people like this.
00:07:15.280 I wonder if you have any thoughts about why that was at that point in our American history.
00:07:21.300 Yeah, it was really interesting.
00:07:22.380 During that time, the new atheist movement, they were very militant, very aggressive, 0.88
00:07:29.460 Very aggressive. And, you know, not to change the subject, I'll circle around a new atheism, but, you know, this question about fatherlessness and atheism, I mean, I don't know if we want to really delve into the topic too much, but you can't really talk about it without talking about the French Revolution.
00:07:50.140 Yeah. Right. Which was a complete like shrugging off of church fathers, the aristocracy, the gentry, like the fathers that had been in place in France.
00:08:03.080 And the result of that became individualism, radical individualism and forms of democracy, you know, to where I am the ultimate rule. 0.91
00:08:13.480 I don't need a father of, you know, to tell me who God is or what is a just law, you know, what is what is justice.
00:08:22.640 And so, I mean, the fruit is it would make sense that eventually you would get to a point to where you would have these kind of like in the bubbling cauldron of human sin and perversion that you'd get a big bubble that pops.
00:08:37.740 That's like new atheism is like this anti-intellectual in a lot of ways.
00:08:42.360 They want to make themselves seem like they're intellectuals, but they're actually not very good thinkers.
00:08:47.760 And then they're really aggressive about it.
00:08:49.780 So it makes sense that that would be one of the bubbles that would come up to the surface as a fruit all the way reaching back to the French Revolution.
00:08:57.840 That also, I think, just underscores this truism that it's one of those things that once you see it anywhere, you see it everywhere.
00:09:06.480 And it's what we talked about in season one with Nietzsche and the death of God, the quote-unquote death of God.
00:09:12.080 They killed God, and it wasn't like they just then – there was nothing.
00:09:15.520 It was that that's a job opening.
00:09:17.360 Any culture that attempts to kill God or attempts to undermine his authority will see it as
00:09:22.360 a job opening.
00:09:23.500 And so the paradox you get with the new atheists in their militancy is that they're basically
00:09:28.600 saying, there's no God.
00:09:30.480 Imagine there's no heaven.
00:09:31.680 There's no one over you telling you what to do.
00:09:33.720 And so listen to what I say and believe what I say or else.
00:09:37.140 Believe that everything is meaningless or else.
00:09:39.400 And you're like, or else.
00:09:40.940 Or else what?
00:09:41.960 If you're correct, what does it matter if I agree with you or not?
00:09:46.440 So they ultimately make themselves fathers.
00:09:52.060 What is Dawkins and Dennett and Hitchens?
00:09:54.780 They're just trying to be your dad.
00:09:56.680 They're just trying to tell you what to think and what to do and how to behave.
00:10:01.000 Yeah, in a weird way, like Hitchens and Dawkins, when they were kind of in their heyday,
00:10:05.240 to me, they struck me as early versions of Jordan Peterson.
00:10:09.080 Less grounded in any sort of what Jordan would call Judeo-Christian Western.
00:10:13.760 Drop the Judeo.
00:10:14.760 but still western thought jordan is more in that camp but they they really weren't at all
00:10:21.820 it struck me at the end of doug's quote uh that we read in the cold open they want to make more
00:10:27.480 of what made them yeah this is one of those doug isms that's like i read it and i read it again
00:10:34.040 and you could sit there and just profoundly think about why that's the case yeah and he goes on he
00:10:38.180 says there's a perverse twist the father hunger that made them and so this means that what they
00:10:42.560 want to usher in as a larger famine for others. I think what you're seeing culturally is a longing
00:10:49.000 for fathers, right? This is the hunger. But then the response to that is not what we're saying,
00:10:54.960 which is let's be great fathers, but theirs is let's have more of it. Let's have more of the
00:11:01.560 father hunger. And something I was thinking about is we're talking about fatherlessness
00:11:05.180 and atheism. It really underscores that fatherlessness is at root a theological problem.
00:11:11.360 Amen.
00:11:12.080 Something that, Brian, when you were preaching through Matthew and the Lord's Prayer, it begins with our Father.
00:11:19.420 Our Father.
00:11:20.100 And that is not inconsequential.
00:11:21.880 So we're actually trained as Christians to think of our entire existence as relating to a Father, our Father who art in heaven.
00:11:29.040 It's interesting if you look at American culture too, Doug recounts this in his book, there's this kind of trajectory and this slow shift.
00:11:37.000 First, America goes Unitarian.
00:11:39.420 So there's still a God, but God is one entity. 0.73
00:11:41.680 He's just one thing. 0.99
00:11:42.860 He's non-Trinitarian. 1.00
00:11:43.940 Then we go deist. 0.93
00:11:45.600 So now God is a distant clockmaker.
00:11:47.700 We believe he's there, but he's distant.
00:11:49.880 Yeah, he's a first mover.
00:11:51.100 He's a logos.
00:11:51.820 He's a rational principle.
00:11:52.860 He's whatever.
00:11:53.680 But he doesn't care about you.
00:11:55.180 He's not a father.
00:11:56.080 That's right.
00:11:56.880 And then that gives us the third progression, which is kind of like you could say we're in like the third progression of our downfall as a culture maybe.
00:12:04.100 We just get full-blown atheism, which says that God doesn't exist.
00:12:08.460 So I think one thing that we'll have to continue to unpack in this season, correct me if I'm wrong, is that we can't have robust fatherhood without Trinitarian theology.
00:12:17.440 What's interesting is that you might even pause at a fourth wave following atheism because people still have a spiritual hunger.
00:12:23.900 And so they still – they just dislocate that spiritual hunger on atheism to the unholy trinity in the fourth wave of me, myself, and I.
00:12:30.780 They just deify the man, man deified.
00:12:34.300 Yeah, I think that's a good point. 0.90
00:12:35.600 There are also movements of ancient paganism that I find to be really strange.
00:12:41.600 Coming back.
00:12:41.840 How do you mean?
00:12:42.180 Yeah.
00:12:42.460 Well, so if you're out on the interwebs, like crazy things like Viking type, ancient.
00:12:50.000 Well, this is actually the Jack Donovan. 0.96
00:12:53.500 He's the homosexual way of men. 0.95
00:12:56.040 Goes down to the like, well, he is. 1.00
00:12:58.180 I mean the.
00:12:58.780 It's true.
00:12:59.180 Yeah.
00:12:59.760 The, well, he was at a lot of the Manosphere stuff in Orlando. 0.52
00:13:03.660 but here's this guy like teaching about masculinity and the religion he's trying to bring back dan is
00:13:08.940 barbarianism yeah it's really strange you're like stoicism yeah is is been big i i mean so i think
00:13:15.360 that there's definitely brian is going what you said is right is like deification of self even
00:13:22.140 in like a lot of the new age kind of stuff that's ultimately what's happening is that you're deifying
00:13:27.360 yourself you're you're manifesting your own yeah um you know fortunes and destiny and things like
00:13:33.280 that latent psychic abilities to manifest your own destiny which is just another way of saying
00:13:37.640 you are a little god yeah yeah you're manipulating the universe to do as you please you know whatever
00:13:43.060 so i yeah so i mean essentially what's happened is that you spiral at that point when you become
00:13:49.040 god then everything spirals out of control so i want to trace an interesting trend because i think
00:13:54.980 you're right i think fundamentally what men do when they're caught in this atheistic cesspool
00:14:01.900 is you kind of careen off nihilism, right?
00:14:06.420 This Jordan Peterson talks about that,
00:14:08.020 that oftentimes what happens is for Nietzsche,
00:14:11.040 for anybody in the nihilistic camp,
00:14:12.720 it ultimately ends in just suicide and nothingness, right?
00:14:16.240 But what's interesting,
00:14:18.400 how do people in our generation respond to it?
00:14:20.680 You know, it could be, as we'll talk about in a minute,
00:14:22.740 it could be through the sexual self, the psychedelic self,
00:14:27.180 but there's this tendency in men
00:14:29.340 to always go back to something that our fathers were doing,
00:14:32.340 which I find quite ironic.
00:14:33.500 So really what we're trying to do in New Christendom,
00:14:35.540 we're looking back at the blood of kings
00:14:37.740 and the people in our lineage and our heritage.
00:14:40.020 We're looking at Abraham.
00:14:41.440 We're looking at men like Alfred the Great.
00:14:43.200 And we're saying we actually want to recover
00:14:46.280 some things that our fathers built.
00:14:47.960 Maybe we do it a little different.
00:14:49.740 But in any camp, it seems like even in barbarianism, 1.00
00:14:54.220 we'd say it's utterly stupid. 1.00
00:14:56.140 But what are they doing? 1.00
00:14:56.940 They're trying to recover what, quote-unquote, their fathers had built.
00:15:01.020 So I think that is one of the tendencies.
00:15:02.340 Yeah, I wonder if that's a design feature in, you know, in humanity.
00:15:07.380 Well, that's what I mean.
00:15:08.240 To look back and have reverence for ancient things, you know, in a way.
00:15:13.560 I mean, the ancient Romans did this.
00:15:15.580 They respected the Jews because their religion was old. 0.98
00:15:20.400 I mean, ultimately, they destroyed them. 1.00
00:15:22.000 But for a while, they enjoyed certain privileges.
00:15:24.620 the Jewish people in the Roman Empire, because their religion was ancient.
00:15:29.620 And they honored their fathers, which was huge to the Roman.
00:15:32.100 Yeah, and they didn't bow down to pressure, so they really respected them.
00:15:38.080 What's interesting as well is that whenever you see men create their new deified fathers,
00:15:45.060 Odin, Thor, yourself, whatever it is, you always end up creating a god in your own image.
00:15:51.440 So the problem for his fallen mankind with the fatherhood of God is that that father is holy.
00:15:56.800 He's righteous.
00:15:58.240 And so he's not just a baptized version or a stronger version of fallen sinful man, like the Greek and Roman gods.
00:16:05.320 I mean, they're just they're out there sleeping with women and they're sowing their wild oats and getting in fights with their goddess wives.
00:16:11.660 And they're just like they're basically people.
00:16:13.760 They're just people who are strong and can throw lightning down and never die like that.
00:16:17.880 They're just us bigger, you know.
00:16:19.900 So we always end up doing that, and you always, therefore, run into this problem, wherever you try to replace the fatherhood of God with some fake version, is you run into this problem of God's righteousness that this is why there's only one way.
00:16:34.980 There's only the truth, the way, the life, that's Christ, because only Christ can reconcile us to the Father, where we get God as Father, get over this righteousness problem and the gap there, and every other attempt is going to be some kind of human ladder where we make a fake version of fatherhood, deify it, but it's always just us at the end of the day.
00:16:56.660 Yeah. One of the questions I want to ask practically, it seems like as we engage people in our midst who may claim to be atheists or people who have a feminist bent or whatever it is, it seems like, correct me if I'm wrong, one of the things you have to do is look past the thing that they want to talk about.
00:17:12.640 Like a new atheist is not going to say, hey, I really suffer with father hunger.
00:17:16.680 But it seems like pastorally you just need to know that that's going on.
00:17:19.380 Yeah, so I think at the root of a lot of this that we're talking about, there's an identity issue.
00:17:24.920 Like you don't, one of the, one of the things that a good father does, and we, we all know this is true is that they leave an identity.
00:17:33.040 Like, here's what you are.
00:17:35.140 Here's what you are for.
00:17:36.600 Here's a target to hit.
00:17:38.080 And we can see this as we read history.
00:17:39.980 And you're like, this guy's name was like Edward the eighth, you know, and he can look back and he's like, all of the other Edwards that came before me were identified with this.
00:17:48.840 Here's my family crest.
00:17:50.200 Here's our family motto, you know?
00:17:52.480 Or even in more basic, like, blue-collar terms, like, I'm a smith.
00:17:58.480 My father was a smith.
00:18:00.160 You know, we were all smiths, blacksmiths.
00:18:02.900 You know, that's what we do.
00:18:05.780 We have remnants of that today in some families to where it's like, you know, you have, like, the Scottish hot-bloodedness or, you know, quick to anger or whatever it is.
00:18:16.020 I mean, it's kind of funny.
00:18:17.880 Some of those echoes, though, still exist.
00:18:20.560 And with an atheist or a feminist, the father hunger is blatantly obvious because they have no identity.
00:18:28.780 And so they attach themselves to some sort of movement.
00:18:32.720 The movement they're treating kind of like a father in a way to give them identity, to give them purpose.
00:18:39.060 But at the root, they know that it's hollow.
00:18:41.300 And so when you're interacting with these people, interacting with them on the basis of just their arguments is kind of frivolous.
00:18:50.560 Because at the core, they don't even know what they're for. And it leads to, like you said, a black-pilled sort of nihilism to where they realize there is no purpose for me to exist. There's no purpose for me to exist.
00:19:05.500 And so when you're ministering to these people, one of the ways that it's best to interact with them, again, is not necessarily just on the basis of their arguments, but to actually give them hope, to show them that they were created for a purpose, that they're an image bearer of God, even if their earthly father abandoned them and let them down, that there is a heavenly father that has imprinted his image on them and that they're of eternal value.
00:19:33.120 And that's one of the cores of the gospel.
00:19:35.760 And so I think you have to look past the arguments in a lot of ways.
00:19:38.900 Yeah, and I think one of the other applications would be in our own families.
00:19:41.600 Like if you want to protect your kids against the new atheism, for example,
00:19:45.860 one of the best ways you can do that is be a good father.
00:19:48.820 Yeah.
00:19:49.220 I mean, that's going to help protect your own.
00:19:51.560 Gentlemen, I want to move on now to point number two
00:19:53.440 in terms of causes of fatherlessness in our culture.
00:19:57.040 And this one is a very large one.
00:19:58.980 This is the sexual revolution, particularly focusing on the 1960s.
00:20:03.820 Of all the time periods in America, this seems to be the one that was the ultimate where-was-dad moment when this was happening.
00:20:10.680 I remember on a plane catching, oh, maybe a quarter of one Mad Men episode.
00:20:16.640 So this is Madison Avenue, big execs in the 50s type time period. 0.91
00:20:22.220 Jon Hamm's character, it was really interesting because, you know, he's fornicating, cheating on his wife. 1.00
00:20:28.100 Just seems like, from what I could tell, a total human piece of garbage in the show. 0.99
00:20:32.360 But then it's interesting because he comes home and he's, like, trying to love his wife. 0.97
00:20:36.620 She's like, I just have these nervous issues.
00:20:38.680 And he's like, well, just go to a shrink and take the drugs and do the thing and whatever you want, honey.
00:20:43.500 And it was kind of a good picture of, like, what had started to go wrong. 0.52
00:20:46.920 You could see the nuclear family healthy.
00:20:49.060 Yeah.
00:20:49.200 But then he, like, didn't really want anything to do with his family, so he's like, yeah, just go take the drugs, do what the Freudian guy tells you, it'll be okay.
00:20:56.800 That's sort of the anti-father because you're not protecting your daughters or your sons, and you're not protecting your wives.
00:21:05.100 So, Dan, if you would maybe just unpack for people, why do fathers in particular have a role in protecting the sexuality of their wives and daughters?
00:21:14.060 Where do we see that in Scripture?
00:21:15.920 Yeah, well, I mean, I think it ties back to the identity again.
00:21:20.400 When you're given an identity, you know your purpose, right?
00:21:23.440 That's part that comes with it.
00:21:25.340 You know, like I said, the blacksmith knows he's going to work with metal.
00:21:28.460 You know, he knows his purpose.
00:21:30.760 Well, if you have a good father, he should be able to tell you what your sexuality is for, you know, and obviously the heavenly father tells you that as well.
00:21:39.800 One of the first things you see in the scriptures is like, your sexuality is for creating new eternal beings.
00:21:46.740 It's for procreation. 0.59
00:21:48.540 It's to make more children. 0.85
00:21:50.400 And when you think about that, it's actually insane.
00:21:53.440 I mean, having your wife carry a child is an amazing experience.
00:21:59.040 But then the realization that you had some participation in the creation of an image bearer of God that's going to live eternally.
00:22:09.240 And you participated in that, even if it was in a very small way, insert jokes here.
00:22:14.440 But that's one of the things that you can see.
00:22:17.220 It's also not to be shared with anybody.
00:22:20.180 It's supposed to be in a covenant.
00:22:22.100 That's how the Father relates to us, is in covenants, which has boundaries and terms,
00:22:27.180 and it will produce blessings or curses if you go outside of the covenant.
00:22:31.840 And so, I mean, those are two of the ways that I would think about it,
00:22:35.140 is what is your sexuality for and who is it for?
00:22:38.640 So those are two of the ways.
00:22:40.260 I don't know if you guys would have anything to add.
00:22:42.360 Yeah, I was going to say, too, just even, Brian, we've been talking about modesty.
00:22:47.340 And you've got the Father.
00:22:48.500 The first thing posts in Genesis 3 that happens is that the Father clothes the nakedness of his people. 0.69
00:22:55.460 Yeah. 0.81
00:22:55.860 And so, you know, I have said this before, but fathers are kind of the first one to say, like, go back upstairs and put more clothes on.
00:23:01.960 Yeah, our Father.
00:23:03.660 So you would see that portion of it.
00:23:06.060 But then even thinking through the 60s of like, okay, what things were happening culturally?
00:23:11.320 Number one, I think it's early 60s, maybe 61, 62.
00:23:15.200 The FDA approves the pill.
00:23:17.600 So that's kind of the opening of the gates for turning our culture into Sodom and Gomorrah.
00:23:22.980 Yeah. 0.98
00:23:23.520 Because it was basically you can have sex with anyone and not get pregnant. 0.92
00:23:27.460 So that was an opening of the door.
00:23:29.100 Clothing was changing.
00:23:31.500 Swimsuits and beaches were becoming – they had already become a huge part of culture.
00:23:35.200 Yeah.
00:23:35.440 But more and more clothing was being taken off.
00:23:38.400 So Jeff Pollard in his book, The Public Undressing of America, that was happening.
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00:25:31.600 what is your sexuality for? Who are you? What do you actually exist to be and do? What did God make
00:25:36.900 you to be and do? When you throw off right worship of God, the Father, and the Son, and the Spirit,
00:25:43.380 when you do that, again, it's a job opening, you will end up setting up other gods, and then you
00:25:48.160 will worship them and become like them. Eric, you've made this point, I think even last week
00:25:52.920 on Twitter, you were talking about this in Exodus, where the immoral worship led inevitably to
00:25:59.440 sexual immorality, where in Exodus 32, they're worshiping the golden calf, and then the people 0.94
00:26:04.460 were naked and they're having an orgy. So you see this straight line between false worship 0.87
00:26:09.480 and then demonic sexual activity. It's why you hardly ever find ancient temples and peoples,
00:26:16.020 whether it's the Greeks or the Hittites or the Canaanites or wherever you find it, South America,
00:26:19.720 North America, I mean, you find sexual practices that are perverted linked to worship. 0.76
00:26:26.560 Yeah, Exodus 32, 31 and 32 is a good example.
00:26:29.600 Romans 1.
00:26:30.780 I mean, you kind of have the same thing. 0.55
00:26:31.860 Before there's this sexual immorality, there's apostasy.
00:26:35.820 And so I think just looking at our culture, if you see something like the 60s happening,
00:26:40.460 you actually have to trace it further back and say, where was the apostasy?
00:26:44.240 Yeah, there was apostasy that was happening.
00:26:45.760 And so the fathers stopped shepherding their children into conformity with the Son by way of the Spirit,
00:26:52.680 you know, through the spirit, it's not Trinitarian anymore, where God glorifies and dignifies his
00:26:59.080 people, and they become truly human, where their sexuality isn't dimmed, but it's actually a true
00:27:05.500 glory, right? Instead of that, the fathers either abandon or they actively do harm by conforming
00:27:15.160 their children to the image of the false god, of whether it's mammon, of, you know, affluence and
00:27:20.660 comfort and wealth, self-sufficiency, or the chasing of new sex gods, or whatever it is, 0.66
00:27:28.540 you end up giving your children as sacrifices to be conformed to those gods. That's the
00:27:34.860 inescapable principle. You will present your children to be conformed to the image of some
00:27:39.620 gods. You will put your children on some altar. It's just a question of, will it be the altar of
00:27:45.020 present yourselves as living sacrifices to God, which is your spiritual worship, and be dignified 0.63
00:27:50.200 and glorified, made in the image of Christ, or will you be put on the altar of Molech
00:27:56.980 or in Mammon or some other God that will strip away your dignity?
00:28:03.320 And so what do you get, a culture out of the 60s? 0.99
00:28:06.580 You get pink-haired crazy. 0.98
00:28:09.640 You get absolute filth and disgust. 1.00
00:28:11.960 You get ugliness.
00:28:13.720 Everything is degraded when you've been promised glory, and you get degradation.
00:28:20.200 Yeah, it's really interesting, too, because I think you can go back to the 60s and you can just trace in our culture where the church, I think the Roman Catholic work, Humanae Vittier, was an early one saying, like, the pill is going to be a problem.
00:28:33.500 And you look at the church fathers, and it's very uncomfortable for us to look at this, but you can look at Calvin.
00:28:38.740 Calvin absolutely forbade birth control, like any form.
00:28:43.260 So then you look at that and you go, okay, that feels so foreign to us because we're living in the wake of 1960.
00:28:48.760 and the 60s, but I think what we've advocated and kind of it's been part of our ethos here,
00:28:55.220 if we want to rebuild Christendom, we can no longer as a church be following the world on
00:29:02.080 sexual issues. Fathers have to act as fathers. This is why understanding these things, the roots 0.55
00:29:08.240 of these things in the culture is so important, because otherwise what will happen is fathers
00:29:13.380 out there listening to this, church fathers, literal fathers, whatever, you're a father
00:29:17.760 somewhere, you won't understand that you live in a cultist that's been forming your opinions on
00:29:23.660 things. And so you're going to hear certain propositions that are actually good and godly
00:29:28.880 and helpful, and you're going to think they're crazy. When you tell people, hey, you should
00:29:34.420 really think about whether or not birth control at all is a good idea, people think you're crazy. 1.00
00:29:39.980 Even a lot of Christians are like, you're insane. And what they don't realize is that almost the 0.97
00:29:45.620 entirety of the history of the church would say, what you guys are doing is utter God-pretending
00:29:52.740 madness. It's idolatry. You have lifted yourselves up. You've thrown off restraint. You are dislocating
00:29:59.380 and disconnecting sex from righteousness and from its proper—I mean, like, all those things are
00:30:04.740 happening, and we're often blind to them because we've been put on the altar of the sex gods by
00:30:10.460 our fathers. And so you have to understand these things. You have to understand where the 60s came
00:30:16.160 from, what they did to our background assumptions, and see that those come out of worship if you are 0.53
00:30:22.600 to recover good Christian fruitful fatherhood. Yeah, it's also really interesting because when
00:30:28.740 you look at the downfall of the Roman Empire and the Egyptian empires, they were very closely
00:30:34.240 related to, you know, people talk about monetary policy, all that's true. But sort of the number
00:30:39.320 one issue in rome was uh they were no longer reproducing yeah so reproduction you can look
00:30:45.260 at american culture we're simply not even replacing uh even with all you know that's
00:30:50.220 why we have immigration all that stuff well you do notice in pagan cultures that children 0.67
00:30:53.680 often suffer very i mean like the aztecs we've talked about that before yeah you know they're 0.98
00:30:59.260 sacrificed so so now you can see uh where you're going with this uh you know we're not replacing 0.99
00:31:06.160 ourselves we're not having kids we consider them a curse cultural death yeah we see them as a curse
00:31:11.180 so either they don't exist or thanks to the 1960s you have them and you can conveniently just murder
00:31:18.060 your child yeah yep no mistake that it's not an accident that roe v wade follows that an absolute
00:31:24.840 culture of death follows and then something interesting happens in this whole trajectory
00:31:30.860 because it's kind of baked in.
00:31:32.560 Once you do some things culturally, once you do point A,
00:31:35.820 you're going to get to point Z, whether you like it or not, eventually.
00:31:39.960 So once you hate wisdom, for example,
00:31:42.480 you're always going to get to death somewhere.
00:31:44.600 You love death.
00:31:45.440 What's interesting is the way this happens
00:31:47.280 is that when you throw off fatherhood and people start,
00:31:51.000 they reject, they apostatize from the Christian faith.
00:31:52.920 For example, in our culture, they give into rampant sexual immorality. 0.98
00:31:56.940 They start worshiping sex gods and death gods and mammon and comfort and malaise and excess,
00:32:03.920 and they just go completely profligate in all of their seeking pleasure because all you have then
00:32:09.560 are neurons and pleasure-seeking behavior at that point. You stop having kids because they're hard.
00:32:15.720 You stop having kids. You start killing the kids you have. And then instead of having children to 0.63
00:32:20.900 take care of their fathers, you actually end up having to make the state your God. You have to
00:32:26.740 get to a welfare state eventually. Because who else is going to take care of you? The biblical 0.75
00:32:32.220 pattern is that mothers and fathers would care for their children, and then in their old age,
00:32:38.040 the children and their children's children would care for them. And then there'd be inheritance
00:32:42.720 handed down. And there's this intergenerational cycle of life. What happens when you cut that off?
00:32:49.800 The state has to intervene on both ends. Yeah, that's exactly right. And Brian,
00:32:54.740 And it brings us nicely to our third point, third cause for fatherlessness, which is what
00:32:59.360 I'm calling a welfare state of mind, that the state has replaced the father in our culture.
00:33:04.640 And it's interesting when you look at the 1960s, because the breakdown of the family
00:33:08.700 and fatherhood, you can trace this through data, goes to about early to mid-1960.
00:33:14.660 And one of the big features was 1964 and Lyndon Johnson's Great Society.
00:33:21.520 So this was sort of taking some of the stuff FDR had done with the New Deal and just putting on absolute steroids.
00:33:28.920 Well, it's really interesting.
00:33:30.760 They can trace the data directly.
00:33:32.280 There's articles on this.
00:33:33.380 As welfare payouts go up, fatherlessness goes up with it because, as Doug points out in his book, you are subsidizing fatherlessness. 0.99
00:33:42.920 Yeah, and like to use the unsterilized historical term, you're subsidizing bastards. 0.99
00:33:48.460 Yeah. 1.00
00:33:49.060 You're making bastards. 1.00
00:33:50.380 You're saying, well, they'll be physical bastards. 1.00
00:33:53.440 They won't have a father. 0.99
00:33:55.120 So the state will be the one who steps in and tries to make you, you know, legitimate, make you a legitimate son.
00:34:02.320 But you're not a legitimate son of a good earthly father.
00:34:04.380 You're the legitimate son now, supposedly, of daddy government.
00:34:08.660 Yeah, really interesting article from the Institute for Family Studies.
00:34:12.500 I'll quote from this.
00:34:13.560 They say in the article from 1890 to 1950, and this focuses on black children, by the way.
00:34:19.260 from 1890 to 1950 black women had a higher marriage rate than white women so obviously
00:34:24.920 that's a problem today but it wasn't always that way yeah and in 1950 just nine percent of black
00:34:29.860 children lived without their father by 1960 the black marriage rate had declined but remained
00:34:35.200 close to the white marriage rate in other words despite open racism and widespread poverty strong
00:34:40.240 black families used to be the norm but by the mid-1980s black fatherlessness had skyrocketed
00:34:46.080 Today, only 44% of black children have a father in the home.
00:34:50.280 In unison, the rate of black out-of-wedlock births went from 24.5% in 1964 to 70.7% by 1994, roughly where it stands today. 0.92
00:35:00.780 So this is an unbelievable increase.
00:35:02.980 Seven out of ten chance that you were born out of wedlock if you're a black American. 0.99
00:35:07.500 Yeah, just insane. 0.98
00:35:08.760 And so the article goes on, kind of drawing the conclusions more clearly for us.
00:35:12.600 It says, one contributor to a family breakdown, which soon spread to the poor and working class white family, may have been welfare expansion.
00:35:21.660 Cash welfare in meager form existed since 1935, and some welfare took place during the Kennedy administration.
00:35:29.620 But under Johnson's Great Society, which, again, was in 1964, benefits became substantially more generous and came under greater control of the federal government.
00:35:39.460 So what's going on here?
00:35:41.300 Do you guys agree?
00:35:41.920 thoughts? I think one interesting thing that you can see is, again, it's cyclical. You kill the
00:35:48.600 father in one area and you have to kill him more in another area. So this is going to be the most 0.98
00:35:53.380 base to take probably that I say today. Oh, wow. But when you get rid of the fathers by making the
00:35:58.580 women vote, then they will vote in these emotionally driven welfare policies thinking, 1.00
00:36:03.540 I'll help. Oh, there's poor people. I'll help. Let's vote. Come on, guys. So you have a father 1.00
00:36:10.340 at the top fdr and then lyndon johnson you have a daddy somewhere and he's manipulating all of the
00:36:16.300 women voters yes to get welfare policies that wouldn't have been passed by male but like almost
00:36:20.880 and none of these things would have been passed by male only voting so so you end up with a 1.00
00:36:25.800 matriarchy that's actually it's funny because there's a patriarch at the top the matriarchy
00:36:30.100 is always there's you can't get rid of the patriarchy fully but they it's cyclical you 1.00
00:36:35.500 You have the women voters who are then killing the fathers in the culture by subsidizing fatherlessness, creating men who are easier to manipulate now because you can say, oh, honey, you know, free sex and don't care about the kids because I can kill them or the state will take care of them. 0.95
00:36:51.260 making weak men who no longer have the marriage maturity pathway and they just perpetually 0.99
00:36:58.660 remain as animals, as men who just, they breed and then they leave. They're wild beasts. 0.98
00:37:05.820 It's interesting because you read all these articles even today, you know, and they're to
00:37:10.260 the tune of where have all the good men gone? Yeah. And then the reality is, well, you drove
00:37:16.300 them away, you subsidized them into non-existence or at least in the form of the traditional father.
00:37:21.260 But I think it's really interesting about the voting record. 0.70
00:37:24.460 Zach Garris says this in Masculine Christianity, but when women were made to vote, they're thrust into the civil, the civic sphere. 0.83
00:37:32.880 They're really put in a position where they have to act like men in the public sphere.
00:37:36.900 Prior, they were protected and they were honored and the men took care of them.
00:37:40.840 It's interesting, though, you can look at this in voting records even today, I think in the last election cycle. 0.98
00:37:45.000 it's something like 70 plus percent of the people voting for all the leftist garbage is women 0.96
00:37:51.820 yeah we wouldn't we wouldn't have had like a single major democrat policy pass for like 100 0.98
00:37:57.180 years i don't even think that's an overstatement i think you can look at the maps what what would
00:38:03.220 the electoral college have looked like the votes looked like in any presidential election with only
00:38:07.860 the men voting it's like red i mean the whole and i'm not saying that the republicans are like the
00:38:13.860 great hero that would save us. Absolutely don't put your trust in horses. But when you compare
00:38:18.660 the policies, who is it that is driving, who is being wooed and manipulated by the policymakers 1.00
00:38:25.040 to pass their policies that really end up just, the women are giving away their own sovereignty. 1.00
00:38:30.860 They're saying somebody else, you know, daddy government, govern me harder, please. That's 1.00
00:38:36.840 what they're saying over and over and over and over and over. They still want a father. They
00:38:42.060 just want it to be the state they don't realize that's what's happening because women are more
00:38:45.680 easily deceived yeah i think it's an interesting feature i know i think i've mentioned this before
00:38:50.100 in past episodes uh i think it was last season um but one of the interesting features when francis
00:38:56.100 schaefer this is towards the end of his life he shares a cab with rc sprawl sprawl asked him hey
00:39:01.180 what's the biggest threat to america so this is like the 1980s what's the biggest threat facing
00:39:05.700 america today and he said statism you can follow i think some great thinkers like rush dooney
00:39:11.120 everything that was on Rush Duny's mind was statism.
00:39:16.280 He had studied the Native American populations
00:39:19.060 and seen what statism had done there.
00:39:22.680 So I think there were some people that were awake to that.
00:39:25.160 I'm not so sure, though, Dan, that the church as a whole understands
00:39:29.180 because it's the air we breathe,
00:39:31.960 we don't understand how bad statism is for the family.
00:39:35.440 So I just want to rephrase the question that we've been talking about.
00:39:38.760 Why is a welfare state so bad for fathers and families?
00:39:43.060 Yeah, it is really interesting, Brian, that you bring up women's suffrage and the submission of women to an entity, you know, to the patriarchy, to a father or something like that. 0.62
00:39:54.520 Because you still have this class of people that still want more of what they've made. 0.57
00:40:02.360 Like they see the issue in the black community, especially as like, you know, fatherlessness, we need to give them more, you know, and just like pouring on more support for the, for the families.
00:40:14.380 Thomas Sowell, in his book, Black Rednecks and White Liberals, he says this. He says,
00:40:19.520 white liberals, instead of comparing what has happened to the black family since the liberal
00:40:23.840 welfare state policies in the 1960s were put into practice, compare black families to white families 0.95
00:40:30.140 and conclude that the higher rates of broken homes and unwed motherhood among blacks are due
00:40:34.980 to a legacy of slavery. And so you can see that narrative still today. It's like the whole
00:40:41.220 narrative from the state as they continue to engulf more and more of the role of being a
00:40:48.220 father, that they're able to make this whole culture of shame to say like, hey, back off,
00:40:55.340 because it was your fault. It was your ancestor's fault that the black community is in the state 0.90
00:41:01.840 it's in because you're racist. And if you don't vote for this, you're racist. So they play this 1.00
00:41:07.420 shame and manipulation tactic. You can see this, I mean, through all sorts of propaganda from
00:41:13.460 different Marxist governments in the past. I mean, this is just a common play that these
00:41:20.580 governments take because they're going to have to rule by shame. And so we obviously feel that
00:41:26.060 today. And I think it's hard as part of the teaching and the education process for our people
00:41:30.920 is helping people understand the play that's being run. So you're trying to get them to focus
00:41:36.320 on a slavery that doesn't exist anymore. And that blinds them to the fact that Papa government is
00:41:41.320 the slave master. Yeah, he's the slaver. They are controlling you in almost every way. They're the 0.97
00:41:45.620 ones that created this problem in your community. Right. So the government incentivizes fatherlessness
00:41:51.580 and then they say, don't worry, we'll take care of your children. We'll educate them. We'll teach
00:41:56.580 them how to be a functioning human being. And obviously we see the trajectory that that goes.
00:42:02.480 And then economic policies as they steal from you, you know, through inflation and unjust taxation.
00:42:09.620 And you're feeling the pinch and they're like, don't worry, daddy will give you some money.
00:42:14.480 You know, daddy will give you some cash.
00:42:16.420 You know, you've got a little kickback coming.
00:42:18.360 Oh, you need help paying for your college.
00:42:20.260 We can do that.
00:42:21.380 You know, you need a loan.
00:42:22.400 That's fine.
00:42:22.860 We'll give you a cheap loan.
00:42:25.000 You know, things like that.
00:42:25.920 So you have the government just continuing to swallow more and more and more.
00:42:31.100 It's now common knowledge that our welfare system has itself become a poverty trap, a creator and reinforcer of dependency.
00:42:38.200 It makes me furious the more you think about how all of this fatherlessness interlocks with it.
00:42:42.320 It's actually not fatherlessness. It's just, again, the dislocation from lots of good earthly fathers to this one big divine state father.
00:42:51.820 It all interlocks. They promise you Social Security to get rid of the need for generational care of the elderly. 0.64
00:43:00.300 inheritance and wealth. Then through taxation, property taxes, they steal and make it harder for 0.59
00:43:07.060 you to say, no, thank you, social security. I'll take care of my own people. I'll give them an
00:43:12.620 inheritance and I'll give them a legacy. They destroy that mechanism. Then they subsidize
00:43:18.620 bastard children. They subsidize fatherlessness and sexual immorality. And then they subsidize 1.00
00:43:25.040 the status education to propagate all of it. And then you need more policemen to take care of all
00:43:30.200 these fatherless criminal children. So then we need property taxes to be higher, to continue
00:43:34.420 paying for more and more state education, more and more prisons, more and more police state,
00:43:39.520 until all you have is pretty much 70% of your income is being stolen by the state in order
00:43:45.040 to continue to fund fatherlessness and its corrosive social effects. So you have this
00:43:49.860 complete, again, if you get A, the hatred of wisdom, the rejection of the divine fatherhood 0.57
00:43:56.100 of God, you're ultimately going to get Z, which is total slavery and death. You're going to get 0.74
00:44:01.100 it. It's just a matter of time at that point. And so what people don't realize, I think, now
00:44:06.300 in connecting all of these dots is that whether we're at M or R or Q, we're going to get to Z.
00:44:14.200 A society cannot work that rejects the divine fatherhood of God ultimately. It will collapse
00:44:21.060 in on itself into total slavery. Yeah, I think that's a phenomenal point. One of the other
00:44:25.740 things to mention here is, I think this is why, correct me if I'm wrong, we've said that the
00:44:30.720 solution to this root cause problem is actually just biblical productive households with patriarchy
00:44:36.800 being an overriding dominant feature there. But I want to ask why productive households are so
00:44:43.640 important as we think of like, how do you combat Jabba the State? Well, localism, local communities,
00:44:50.360 but I think really central to it, the pillar of this new Christendom is going to be productive
00:44:54.520 households. Yeah. That would be my contention. But maybe, Dan, we'll start with you. Agree,
00:44:58.960 disagree. Is the productive household the way to compete job of the state? Yeah. I mean,
00:45:04.440 the, you know, we're talking about the mismanagement and all-encompassing state,
00:45:11.340 you know, swallowing up the role of father. But there wouldn't have been, like Brian has said,
00:45:17.020 a job opening. If fathers at home had just been good fathers. Yeah. If they had been productive
00:45:23.880 at home, if they had taught their children to fear the Lord, if they had educated their
00:45:29.040 sons, if they had taught their daughters modesty and chastity, you know, and how to be a functioning
00:45:35.280 human beings and given them an identity, if that hadn't been abandoned, then there would
00:45:40.300 be no job opening.
00:45:41.620 There would be no politicians that would be able to pass legislation like what we have
00:45:47.040 today.
00:45:47.420 And so this whole project that we talked about last season of the new Christendom has to be a bottom-up. It's not a top-down. It's not like, hey, if we get the right president, politician, senator, Senate majority, whatever it is, House committee, then that'll fix everything.
00:46:08.400 No, no, no, no, no.
00:46:09.760 It has to be a bottom-up.
00:46:11.880 Repentance has to happen for people, individuals, for households, for churches and communities,
00:46:19.680 and then you're looking at cities and states and then, Lord willing, the nation.
00:46:25.740 And so it must be from the bottom-up.
00:46:28.120 And the thing is, even with our current policies, I mean, a productive household with a good
00:46:35.500 father, is going to raise potent sons and daughters. They're going to raise young men with
00:46:41.960 zeal, with knowledge. They know who they are and what they're for. They know that, someone was
00:46:49.740 telling me this this morning, he was listening to an interview from a Navy SEAL. And the Navy SEAL
00:46:55.480 said, men who are not afraid to die are the most dangerous men. And he said, my life, I died with
00:47:03.520 Christ. I'm already dead. Those men are to be feared. And so if you have a generation of sons
00:47:11.940 that are raised by good godly fathers in productive homes, meaning that they're self-sufficient,
00:47:17.580 they're not relying on the government for all of their needs, then you raise a whole generation of
00:47:23.940 sons that know who their real father is. They know that it's God the father, not the father of the
00:47:31.400 state and they're already dead. Their life is hidden with Christ. So they cannot be controlled.
00:47:36.960 They cannot be manipulated. You cannot twist them and shame them because Christ bore their shame.
00:47:43.720 Christ bore their sin. They know that they're guilty sinners and they're continuing to walk
00:47:47.860 in repentance. And so it has to begin at the household. Yeah, I think that's great. Great
00:47:53.100 point, Dan. And it ties into our fourth point, which I'm calling a house divided. This is another
00:47:58.340 root cause of fatherlessness. A house divided the industrial revolution and the post-World War 0.97
00:48:03.000 II era. So this is tied very closely, Brian, to a productive household because fathers were sent
00:48:09.480 off to factories. It brought them out of the home. Children, almost simultaneously with a lot of this,
00:48:16.120 were sent to public schools. And then eventually, especially post-World War II, the women were also 0.70
00:48:21.720 sent into the factory sort of to never return home. So really the societal things that for many
00:48:28.040 centuries and thousands of years had knit together the productive household and what
00:48:32.920 Wendell Berry would call an economy of love, this has sort of been torn asunder.
00:48:38.360 So one of the questions I have for you, Brian, is as you think about it, it's sort of to
00:48:43.940 quote one of your favorite movie series in the Avengers.
00:48:47.300 Oh, please don't put that that mojo on me.
00:48:49.740 So one of the things Thanos says is I'm inevitable.
00:48:52.580 I don't know who Thanos is.
00:48:53.620 I'm not I'm not exaggerating.
00:48:55.340 I do not know who Thanos is.
00:48:57.120 He's a bad guy.
00:48:57.940 Okay, thank you. 0.92
00:48:58.720 He's a bad guy.
00:48:59.580 Go on.
00:49:00.200 He says he's inevitable.
00:49:01.600 A lot of people with the Industrial Revolution, we may feel like it's like statism.
00:49:05.760 It's just inevitable.
00:49:06.760 We can't fight back against it.
00:49:08.560 Against the power of mortal, there can be no victory.
00:49:15.940 We must join with him, Gunter.
00:49:19.620 Industrial Revolution happened post-World War II. 0.96
00:49:22.420 It's impossible to send women back to the homes and for men to rule productive households. 0.92
00:49:27.380 So my question for you is, do you see this as a root cause and do you see it as, you know, inevitable? 0.95
00:49:34.580 It is not inevitable. It is a root cause. It is not inevitable. It is a root cause.
00:49:40.200 You see the creeping statism every step further towards the displacement of fathers, real fathers, Christian fathers with, you know, the statist father, the fatherhood of the state.
00:49:52.740 it makes it harder to get back. Every step is a further hindrance, right? It is so difficult
00:50:00.640 to bring your wife home, to educate your own kids, to start a school. When we started the
00:50:05.540 school here in Ogden, guys, it's very difficult. It's like we're all paying crazy property taxes
00:50:11.560 that are ballooning year after year. Property taxes are now thousands of dollars per year
00:50:16.940 higher than they were when I first started owning property as an 18-year-old, right? It's now
00:50:23.360 astronomically higher. I think my current taxes are four times higher than they were
00:50:29.300 on the equivalent property than they were in 2009 or so when I started, when I bought my first place.
00:50:34.420 Well, even my home, I've owned since 2016 and they've doubled.
00:50:37.760 It's doubled. Yeah. Since 2016.
00:50:39.960 2016.
00:50:40.580 Right. So we're getting to the point now where many people are paying $1,000 or $500 or more a month
00:50:46.140 just for the privilege, quote-unquote, of owning their own house that they already are supposed to own.
00:50:51.360 That all gets much harder than to keep your children home
00:50:54.360 because you have to pay for all the other fatherlessness at gunpoint or go to prison.
00:50:59.420 That's the reality.
00:51:00.920 And there are no strong men that stand up and say to the school moms, no, we just won't.
00:51:05.860 Nobody is going to stand up, actually it's funny, in this case to the predominantly female city council of West Haven, where Dan lives.
00:51:13.600 I'm pretty sure it's almost, is it 90% female?
00:51:16.140 Yeah. It's almost all. So Dan is governed by moms, even the males. So it makes it harder, 1.00
00:51:22.800 but it's not inevitable. What it does require though, is you actually have to stand up and you
00:51:27.760 have to keep saying no over and over and do the hard thing. It's really difficult though. Like I
00:51:32.140 don't want to minimize how hard it is to bring your wife home, retake education and start chipping
00:51:38.960 away, but there's no other way. Yeah. And there's a lot of opportunity right now. So it might seem
00:51:44.020 possible right now but there was a there's an article that just came out a few days ago
00:51:48.340 and it says that public school enrollment drops by 1.4 million students this is recent dub yes
00:51:56.420 that's a dub yeah so even even like looking at the the gigantic department of education and the
00:52:02.280 public school model it's collapsing yeah and and and to brian's point about earlier about like
00:52:08.500 we're at you know m or wherever we are in the alphabet and z is inevitable just because public 1.00
00:52:13.640 school enrollment drops or because women aren't in the workplace doesn't mean you actually have 1.00
00:52:17.700 like a righteous society. But what it means is that there's a lot of opportunity. There's a lot 0.99
00:52:22.840 of opportunity. So, I mean, potent homes and fathers will. I think I see opportunity in two
00:52:29.980 areas as well for kind of undoing some of the industrial revolution. We've actually gotten
00:52:34.100 to this point where because of really telecommunications that many people can work
00:52:39.200 from home now. So that's number one. You can kind of live anywhere and do a lot of jobs.
00:52:44.540 So that would allow you to focus on localism. It would allow you to be around your own home
00:52:49.140 more during the day, not going physically to another location. That would be a positive,
00:52:55.260 I would argue. The other one though is hand labor. So people who work in the trades,
00:53:00.140 like it's ironically, Rory Groves was correct with durable trades, that plumbers and electricians,
00:53:07.640 These things are more needed than ever, and so few people are doing them.
00:53:12.880 So I think the opportunity to start businesses that you could train your sons to work in and actually make really good money while being local in your area, working together with your people, I think there's more opportunity there was when I was, say, in high school.
00:53:27.460 Yep.
00:53:27.980 It seemed like corporations were still really big.
00:53:30.420 People are starting to see the other side of that.
00:53:32.040 And the thing is, all of this starts with just taking responsibility to act righteously and
00:53:36.780 courageously where you are. I think about a group of like five people. I think it's about five right
00:53:42.000 now in Ogden City. They all go to our church, spearheaded by base, Jace. And they are right now
00:53:49.060 single-handedly bringing a $240 million government dongle to its knees by filing a referendum that
00:53:57.620 no one has even requested the form to file for 15 years according to the city office really and
00:54:03.340 it's ben garrett it's it's these guys they got together they live in ogden i'm not an ogden
00:54:07.120 citizen right now i live like in a city right outskirts of ogden um but they're basically
00:54:12.740 saying the government's trying to do this almost 300 million dollar development that's dumb the
00:54:17.480 government has no business doing it wait the government government yeah the government owns
00:54:20.860 the land the government's building everything they're building it they're paying the developer
00:54:24.680 paying the developer for commercial it's for yeah commercial they're claiming it's gonna be great
00:54:28.480 whatever but what they're doing is they're just robbing people they're raising taxes they're
00:54:32.360 raising home valuations exorbitantly and not lowering tax rates in some cases raising them
00:54:37.380 like dan's last year and and so they're taking all of this property tax money and they're using
00:54:41.880 it for development too they're like we're gonna go build new police departments new blah blah
00:54:45.940 everything and we've got five people right now in a city of over a hundred thousand
00:54:50.460 And they are – the developer personally sought a meeting with one of them to say, you are going to stop this whole project.
00:55:00.940 Please don't do this.
00:55:02.080 If you file this, it will stop.
00:55:04.760 And that's five men.
00:55:06.680 That's true.
00:55:07.400 Five Christian families.
00:55:09.120 Wow. 1.00
00:55:09.600 So it's like, listen, I don't know if they'll win in the end.
00:55:11.520 I'm not making this like a whole Rocky – is Rocky an underdog story?
00:55:15.860 Oh, yeah.
00:55:16.300 Okay, haven't seen it.
00:55:17.020 Let's make it a Rocky story, actually.
00:55:18.480 Let's make it a Rocky story.
00:55:19.700 Rocky, by the way, Rocky beats Thanos.
00:55:24.000 Thanos?
00:55:24.580 Yeah, Brian.
00:55:24.940 Why couldn't you just be a normal person to make a Melkor reference or a Sauron or something?
00:55:29.640 I don't know who those people are.
00:55:31.820 You know who Sauron is.
00:55:32.840 Come on.
00:55:33.520 Come on.
00:55:34.500 You and your Silmarillion.
00:55:36.240 Ah, you got me.
00:55:37.900 You got me.
00:55:39.000 Yeah, so definitely opportunities there.
00:55:41.700 Some Rocky-esque Thanos opportunities that Brian has underscored.
00:55:45.500 Oh, my word.
00:55:46.620 Once again, for the second time this episode, I quit King Saul.
00:55:49.700 Quick King Saul.
00:55:51.080 We do have a job opening.
00:55:52.440 As Brian said before, there's always job openings.
00:55:55.260 Everybody's replaceable.
00:55:56.600 The pay is not great.
00:55:58.280 It is not great.
00:55:59.680 But the benefits.
00:56:00.520 Eternal rewards.
00:56:01.220 Eternal.
00:56:01.680 Eternal.
00:56:02.000 Eternal.
00:56:03.320 Which brings us to number five causes, root causes of fatherlessness.
00:56:08.060 And that is institutionalizing fatherlessness in stone tablets, i.e. legal structures in America.
00:56:14.980 So we've talked about some of these things, birth control being legalized and made available to the public.
00:56:21.480 But some other really important ones in the 1960s include no-fault divorce.
00:56:25.900 You have the sexual revolution.
00:56:27.660 You have feminism, which has really taken over every ESG board, it seems, and every corporation and every facet of our society. 1.00
00:56:36.020 We mentioned before women's right to vote thrust them into the public sphere. 0.93
00:56:39.980 and all of this was working to weaken fathers and their authority really interesting here 0.80
00:56:46.920 we'll talk about feminism in a moment this one i like to i like to share this because most people
00:56:53.120 are like look ronald reagan was the bastion not just of conservatism but he is a christian prince
00:57:00.140 like all my youth growing up in the conservative movement ronald reagan was the gold standard it's
00:57:05.500 hard to decide who's greater, Abraham Lincoln or Ronald Reagan? Agree? Disagree? Where is the
00:57:10.280 greater in what way? Great or greatest? Where is the barf button? We'll have to get on that one.
00:57:15.500 But very interestingly, the first no-fault divorce law was signed in the U.S. in 1969 by the governor
00:57:21.600 of the gubernator of California, Ronald Reagan. Reagan, by doing so, made it easier and more
00:57:27.860 convenient to absolve the family unit. So we take no-fault divorce for granted today that it's just
00:57:33.640 a feature of our society yeah but there was a time where you had to actually prove fault before a
00:57:40.180 court of law yeah to get a divorce you couldn't just go down and say i don't like this person
00:57:44.500 anymore we're getting divorced the judge would have laughed at you and said well what's the
00:57:48.780 cause has he abandoned you is he beating you has he failed to provide what's the issue and if if
00:57:54.700 you said i don't like him they would have said that's cute get out of here yeah go home so no
00:58:00.860 fault divorce is a big big problem in america i i just now got that was a deep cut yep go you know
00:58:08.640 i know beth is a longtime listener of the king's hall that was for her yeah that was that was for
00:58:13.140 beth so let me ask you this on no fault divorce and legal let's tie it to somebody that you met
00:58:20.380 recently yeah and jeff jeff younger maybe just fill the listener in on like who is jeff why is
00:58:25.680 it uh related to this yeah jeff younger is uh i met him at a manosphere conference thing where
00:58:32.520 that actually a bunch of christians ended up taking over he's a greek orthodox gentleman
00:58:37.220 very very convictionally greek orthodox yeah but he's just absolutely a man of courage so
00:58:42.320 his wife uh ultimately like long story short is essentially like divorced him trying to
00:58:49.200 transition their child to another sex or gender whatever the make-believe thing they're doing
00:58:53.920 now is they're trying to transition their child and jeff has spent millions of dollars he's like
00:58:58.620 risked arrest and imprisonment to resist this conversion and the state has partnered with his
00:59:05.360 with his wife to mutilate his child by the way texas this is texas in fact there's a standing
00:59:11.680 injunction in texas on the books by the judge that jeff younger is not allowed to publicly speak
00:59:16.840 about a series of issues and they're all political so he's thus ceased he's he's not so of course he
00:59:22.600 He was an obedient son of the daddy state, and he said, yes, daddy, and he didn't do it.
00:59:27.540 No.
00:59:28.220 Jeff actually told the judge, which I think I'm pretty sure is a woman.
00:59:33.100 Like, I know everybody at this point thinks I'm a raving sexist.
00:59:38.140 No, I'm not.
00:59:38.720 I actually just – I love glorious, godly womanhood and masculinity as well.
00:59:44.900 But he told the judge basically, arrest me.
00:59:47.840 Go ahead.
00:59:49.120 Go ahead.
00:59:49.780 In fact, he's had his papers ready to file in the next higher court that the injunction they've brought against him is wildly unconstitutional, which it is.
00:59:59.900 And what's funny is he's been on everything from, like, the Daily Wire to conference after conference, like, holding political rallies, talking about all the things they said.
01:00:09.380 The lady was like, you're not allowed to talk about that.
01:00:11.920 And he was like, okay, anyway.
01:00:14.300 And then he went and he just did it and danced on the injunction.
01:00:17.520 And what I love about Jeff is that he's a picture of what one tenaciously stubborn, courageous, righteous man can do in bringing a whole system screeching to a halt and basically call their bluff.
01:00:31.800 And they haven't arrested him.
01:00:33.680 They won't do it.
01:00:35.060 But it's such a good example of what you're talking about here of legal structures in America that are legally kidnapping his child from him is how I would put it.
01:00:45.980 They are legally kidnapping his child, and they're actually legally trying to murder his child because when you mutilate somebody, when you try to kill their whole identity, they even call it dead naming.
01:00:56.000 They're trying to murder his child.
01:00:58.080 I mean, this is the state kidnapping and attempted murder on a child, and can he call the police and say, hey, they're trying to do this to my kid. 0.95
01:01:07.100 They're poisoning him with hormones, and they're trying to cut his genitals, all of that.
01:01:11.980 He's got nothing. 0.84
01:01:12.960 He spent millions of dollars, and he can't stop them from doing it.
01:01:18.600 Yeah, and it's really interesting.
01:01:20.140 I've known through pastoral counseling and just friends.
01:01:23.000 We probably have all have heard these stories.
01:01:25.360 But I was talking to one gentleman, and just a sad situation.
01:01:28.480 He's got two kids.
01:01:30.360 His wife has custody most of the time.
01:01:32.220 I said, what happened with the divorce?
01:01:34.660 What's going on?
01:01:35.820 He goes, well, here's the thing. 0.85
01:01:36.880 My wife cheated on me like three times.
01:01:38.940 she filed for divorce and now I pay astronomical alimony. I rarely get to see my kids and the
01:01:46.480 court just assumes in all of it that she's right. So this is what I mean about the reason a lot of
01:01:51.780 men, I think wrongly, but understandably have gotten blackpilled is because they're starting
01:01:56.680 to realize, wait, the system is actually rigged against men. I think that as pastors, you have
01:02:03.540 to know those things. You have to help your people not give in to despair, but you do have to know
01:02:09.860 what the rules on the playing field are, and they're not even. So I guess, Dan, just to kick
01:02:16.220 that to you, how is it that you think men should respond knowing that these things are the case?
01:02:24.320 Right? Do you go black pill? We've talked about this before, the men going their own way. You
01:02:29.280 You know, marriage is a bad deal.
01:02:30.840 We don't do that.
01:02:31.880 Yeah, yeah.
01:02:32.400 I know I've seen a, I saw a post recently.
01:02:34.240 I'm sure we've all seen it if you've been on social media for any length of time where
01:02:37.220 it's like, you know, the system is rigged.
01:02:39.880 Therefore, don't get married.
01:02:41.660 Yeah. 1.00
01:02:41.960 Just use women, you know, for your own satisfaction. 1.00
01:02:45.940 Don't have kids because why would you raise them in such a horrible place? 1.00
01:02:49.500 Like, especially if you have sons, you know, it's going to be awful. 1.00
01:02:53.660 It's just like, wow, that guy is as bad, if not worse than an atheist. 1.00
01:02:59.280 He has no identity. 1.00
01:03:00.800 He has no reason why he exists.
01:03:04.440 Yeah, that's such a good point. 0.98
01:03:05.640 I think part of the Christian response, like Christianity,
01:03:08.740 it seems like one of the flavors we ought always to have is, listen,
01:03:12.760 Christians throughout our history and, you know, Old Testament, New Testament,
01:03:17.340 whatever, have always been people who know how to respond
01:03:21.540 in the midst of extreme persecution and adversity, right?
01:03:25.960 This isn't new.
01:03:26.920 Like, look at the Hebrews under Pharaoh, right?
01:03:31.800 Did they have a great deal where the system was set up to favor them?
01:03:35.500 No.
01:03:36.900 But did they, you know, they were still called to be faithful, obedient, keep having kids, keep leaning into biblical sexuality?
01:03:44.260 Yeah.
01:03:44.660 I mean, a lot of the policies that we've been talking about have little to no direct effect on my home.
01:03:52.540 Right.
01:03:52.860 Right?
01:03:53.100 No-fault divorce does not affect my home, you know? 1.00
01:03:56.540 public education system doesn't affect my home. They still steal money from me. 1.00
01:04:02.300 They rob you.
01:04:03.000 They rob me, but my kids aren't being indoctrinated by the state. So there is all of us that are
01:04:11.980 Christian fathers who, back to the earlier point about productive households, those policies do 0.99
01:04:20.000 exist and they may steal from you, but they can't win the hearts of your children and they can't 0.95
01:04:25.100 kill your marriage yeah and so you just have to fear god and let you unless you let them you have 1.00
01:04:29.760 to take radical responsibility absolutely that's the answer yeah and a lot of the migto guys the 0.98
01:04:34.680 men go their own way the black boat guys what they they hate it when you say that take radical
01:04:38.140 responsibility because they say we're doing that and it's not working and there's still risk and 0.87
01:04:42.700 there's still failure and there's still potential for getting absolutely destroyed and crushed and
01:04:47.300 it's like i mean that's yes that's actually a really adolescent response yeah to say like oh
01:04:52.300 But it's not my fault.
01:04:53.740 I'm going to make an excuse.
01:04:55.140 It's not my fault.
01:04:56.080 Yeah.
01:04:56.400 It's like, well, actually, you're responsible for that, too.
01:04:58.460 You're responsible for the time.
01:04:59.920 You know, it's like Gandalf says.
01:05:02.120 Of course, nobody chooses to live in hard, ridiculously difficult times.
01:05:08.120 Nobody chooses that.
01:05:09.300 You just have to be faithful to the Lord where you are.
01:05:13.200 You have to be faithful where you are.
01:05:14.380 You have to be faithful in a world of no-fault divorce.
01:05:16.720 It does mean you need to be cunning.
01:05:19.260 It does mean you need to be wise.
01:05:20.700 It does mean don't marry someone quickly.
01:05:22.300 Yeah. It does mean you need to get yourself in a community where there is a mechanism for cultural transmission that will create high quality spouses for your children. It means all of that. And it's still even with that, there are no guarantees. If you want guarantees or I'm going to take the black pill, you're going to take the black pill every time.
01:05:40.200 Yeah, because it's expedient. 0.78
01:05:41.780 Yeah, it's expedient.
01:05:42.680 It's easy.
01:05:43.820 It's the giving up, whatever.
01:05:45.760 I'm going to take my toy and go home.
01:05:47.800 It's like, okay, thank you.
01:05:49.000 The rest of us will attempt to save civilization, right, while you go home.
01:05:53.840 Yeah, I think one of the movies, we'll probably do more on this later, but Dan had mentioned, we were talking about, was Cinderella Man.
01:06:00.520 James J. Braddock, boxer, loses everything.
01:06:04.180 He's in a bad situation, as were millions of Americans during the Great Depression.
01:06:08.980 One of the features of his fatherhood that I love in the movie Cinderella Man
01:06:12.400 is that there's zero self-pity.
01:06:16.160 He's just like, this is the hand we were dealt.
01:06:17.900 You respond, you fight, you do the best you can.
01:06:22.060 And I think, Dan, for a lot of the men in our generation,
01:06:24.700 that's kind of a picture for what we would say to them is,
01:06:28.020 this kind of time is now.
01:06:30.120 Yeah, yeah, the stories that win your heart,
01:06:32.380 like that you want to emulate.
01:06:33.560 And one of the scenes from that movie,
01:06:35.540 so jim braddock he's he has to work on the docks he's not his boxing career is you know pretty
01:06:42.460 much done at this point uh in the film and so he's he's just trying to get like daily work
01:06:48.800 at the docks and he gets selected you know sometimes and he wakes up and his daughter
01:06:54.360 is eating some fried bologna and he has some fried bologna and she's still hungry and so he
01:07:00.160 gives her his breakfast and says, it's okay, sweetie, I'm full. I had a dream where I was
01:07:06.480 at the steakhouse and I had a huge steak, you know, and I ate the whole thing. I'm stuffed.
01:07:11.180 And then he goes to work like a 12 hour shift. And, and it's stories like that,
01:07:16.740 that when your heart, you should look at that story and say, yeah, times are hard. I wish that
01:07:25.220 I had it easier. I wish that I had a pension and a really good paying job and inflation didn't stink
01:07:33.020 and that virtuous women were easier to find than they are now. There's a whole lot of things that 0.90
01:07:40.280 we wish, but the times are hard. That's just not reality. And to wish for times that don't exist
01:07:47.860 is a fool's game. And so I think you just have to look reality in the face and say, 0.83
01:07:53.220 I've been dealt a hard hand, and it's times like these that great men are forged. 0.74
01:07:58.620 I will not be like the rabble that just disintegrates during the Great Depression and just becomes drunk, 0.98
01:08:06.000 just tries to make whatever cheap hooch they can, and they just abandon their families and leave because things are too hard. 0.98
01:08:14.500 Instead, the call is to come further up and come further in to the Christian faith, 0.70
01:08:19.660 which means that you take responsibility for those that are under you, which means that,
01:08:24.960 you know, in a sense, like you go hungry and you still work hard and you don't complain
01:08:29.740 and you have a smile on your face and you take dominion for Christ in your small corner
01:08:34.400 of the world by just taking responsibility.
01:08:37.860 Yeah, I love that, Dan.
01:08:39.020 And it really is.
01:08:39.880 It's an opportunity for men in difficult times to win glory for God and for themselves,
01:08:44.460 for their family.
01:08:45.960 Speaking of families, number six, we've got two more points to get through.
01:08:49.660 Number six, we've spoken, Brian, about this a little bit, but public education in particular is designed, it's very warp and woof, is designed to undermine a father's authority.
01:09:00.160 So I wanted to read a quick, this is from an excerpt in a news article.
01:09:04.920 In 2021, right, we had the dust up in Fairfax County, Virginia, over sexually explicit material that was being taught to young children.
01:09:14.440 So I'm going to quote from the article.
01:09:15.920 It says, here's the context.
01:09:17.440 An upset parent in Fairfax County showed up to a school board meeting with two books she had pulled from her child's high school library.
01:09:23.900 The books were shockingly graphic, far beyond pornography, and even contained explicit pedophilia.
01:09:30.940 When she read from the book, the board members asked her to stop because the content was so deeply disgusting.
01:09:38.260 This is what they were teaching to, like, kindergartners.
01:09:41.620 Here's the kicker, though.
01:09:43.260 The article goes on.
01:09:44.060 Democrat Terry McAuliffe said, quote, I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach, end quote.
01:09:52.580 So Doug reacts.
01:09:54.100 Well, now Brian reacts.
01:09:56.900 Most of my immediate thoughts cannot be published due to restrictions placed upon me by the – no, I'm just kidding.
01:10:06.740 That's actually – it's shocking, but it also shows the underlying assumption they have that, again, the state is the primal authority here.
01:10:16.480 They're the father.
01:10:17.120 Not the parent, right?
01:10:19.080 And the state even has a duty – take Jeff Younger's case.
01:10:22.180 The state has a duty to protect the child from the father.
01:10:27.040 And there is a – again, the best lies are wrapped in half-truth.
01:10:32.080 The state does have a legitimate God-given authority to protect children, even from their parents in some cases.
01:10:37.420 But it's just what is their definition of when that should take place?
01:10:41.580 What is evil?
01:10:42.240 Like, yeah, sexual abuse?
01:10:44.360 Absolutely. 0.99
01:10:45.300 We stone them, right?
01:10:46.640 We stone the parent.
01:10:48.040 Like, okay, cool.
01:10:49.140 The state has just stepped in.
01:10:50.640 The city fathers have stepped in.
01:10:51.800 They said, bring them outside the gate.
01:10:53.020 Two or three witnesses.
01:10:54.000 It's been established.
01:10:54.700 Okay, they're fertilizer now.
01:10:57.320 But what they've done is they've called good, evil, and evil good.
01:11:00.140 And so now they're enforcing evil at sword point, at governmental gunpoint.
01:11:05.860 And so I think, again, like good for this parent, though. 0.99
01:11:10.400 I don't know if they're a Christian.
01:11:11.880 I don't know what led them to take this before the school board.
01:11:16.400 But it's like you have to understand, Christians, that, again, radical responsibility requires us to go and do the inconvenient, hard thing and be the guy stepping out in front of all of the powers and saying, no, we're not going to allow this. 0.72
01:11:29.640 and then make them react to you.
01:11:31.880 Because what this did, like it's been a year plus since this happened,
01:11:36.240 there have been countless copycats now, you could say,
01:11:41.040 people who said they were inspired by it,
01:11:42.780 and they went and took similar action.
01:11:44.980 Now, is that going to fix everything?
01:11:47.820 No, not by itself.
01:11:49.520 But culture is a huge ship.
01:11:51.060 It takes a while to turn.
01:11:52.840 If over the next generation we had more and more and more of that, 0.85
01:11:56.640 we could flip the script and do what the LGBTQ lobby did, where less than 1% of the population 0.94
01:12:03.320 held the other 99% hostage and made sweeping social change. So Christians absolutely do need 0.98
01:12:08.920 to understand that worship is warfare, that culture flows out of cultists. We need to understand all 0.97
01:12:13.660 of that, but we also need to understand that you actually have to take tactical, real, and often
01:12:19.180 political action in these areas if you are going to win. So you do start the school, and then you
01:12:26.680 do go to the school board meeting. Like, you do both. And that's the only way I think that we can
01:12:32.180 be adequately given answer for our Christian faith when we stand before the throne on the last day
01:12:37.760 and say, what did you do? Yeah, and one thing, Brian, I think I would say, my friend Brandon,
01:12:42.580 he's a pastor in Alabama. When all this was going down with Fairfax, he said, you know,
01:12:48.620 I was so encouraged to see the moms stand up and fight for their children.
01:12:54.960 But he said, I just had one aching thought as I was watching the whole thing.
01:12:58.700 He said, where are the fathers?
01:13:00.240 Where's the dad?
01:13:01.220 They literally weren't.
01:13:02.400 I mean, some of them were there.
01:13:03.520 And I think there was like one dad who spoke.
01:13:05.360 Yeah.
01:13:05.840 But for the most part, it was moms.
01:13:07.820 We had had similar things that I had seen in the news in Alabama where it's like, you know,
01:13:13.000 the moms would rise up because of the woke teaching in the schools.
01:13:16.340 The moms would be at the school board meetings.
01:13:18.620 And it was the same question.
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01:13:21.540 It's not shame on those shield maidens of Rohan.
01:13:23.800 No. 0.75
01:13:24.080 Good for them.
01:13:24.940 Yes.
01:13:25.420 But they shouldn't have had to be the ones who were doing that.
01:13:27.680 The men should be there as well.
01:13:30.060 And I think the other thing we would say, we can talk more about public education in another episode, but it's going to be a fight.
01:13:35.880 This is why things like St. Brennan's exist, but they exist because there's been by you guys and Kevin and other people, blood, sweat, and tears on something that's really not easy.
01:13:46.140 it's not the easy path if you're going to take control of the education of your family
01:13:51.660 so i think that is uh important the the last thing that we'll talk about gentlemen
01:13:56.320 uh number seven the media machine rages against the father so we there's countless examples
01:14:02.620 of how parenthood and fathers are looked down upon in the media uh kind of the typical trope 1.00
01:14:10.020 is the homer simpson right where dad the american dad is just a moron yeah uh he's stupid and it 0.99
01:14:15.960 Really, you know, Bart and Homer, I'm thinking of one episode I watched as a kid where Bart and Homer put pots on their head and they just keep banging into each other, which actually seems kind of funny. 0.99
01:14:26.160 But meanwhile, it's like Lisa and then Marge, like the mom and the sister have to be the ones to like hold it together and be smart and be wise and think about the future and not do certain things like that.
01:14:38.200 One of the other examples, kind of funny, kind of not, is the progressive commercial with Dr. Rick.
01:14:43.940 Even if you don't know what that is, you've probably seen the commercials, right? Dr. Rick, quote, helps keep you from becoming your parents. So, Dan, a lot of funny commercials. I looked this up. He's actually got an e-book and an audio book called Dr. Rick Will See You Now. And it is titled The Essential Guide to Unbecoming Your Parents.
01:15:04.100 Again, pretty funny ads.
01:15:06.160 The one I saw the other day was like a guy was in his driveway labeling his trash cans.
01:15:11.880 And we can all think of suburban fathers that we've laughed at.
01:15:14.840 And he said, you're taking a lot of care for your trash cans.
01:15:18.640 The guy was like, well, you can never be too safe.
01:15:20.780 And he was like, with your trash? 0.99
01:15:23.120 I don't understand. 0.97
01:15:25.060 But it's a really interesting, Dan, underlying principle.
01:15:28.160 We shouldn't become like our parents.
01:15:29.640 so uh well it even isn't like an insult yeah yeah it's like oh you're just like your dad
01:15:36.120 yeah and it's it's sort of like the iron it's kind of like our our parents are going to be 0.88
01:15:40.160 dorky and do really dumb things and you don't want to become like them so i guess just address
01:15:44.500 that from uh you know from our perspective well yeah i mean it's humorous because it is true 0.96
01:15:50.900 there's truth and those genuinely were funny some of them yes they are funny they were like the
01:15:54.800 dorky things that your parents do they were pretty funny yeah but underlying you're right
01:15:59.360 It does show like, hey, Fifth Commandment is something that we don't care anything about.
01:16:04.660 You can still laugh.
01:16:05.940 I'm not saying that.
01:16:06.760 Like that the commercials are intentionally training you to break the Fifth Commandment and you're going to die very young.
01:16:14.500 I wouldn't say that.
01:16:17.400 But there is this cultural stigma that, you know, you should not be like your parents.
01:16:24.700 Like you should actually deny them.
01:16:26.320 It's funny that we've been talking about the 1960s because that's in a lot of ways what was at the heart of the movement was don't be like your parents.
01:16:35.760 In fact, throw off all restraint that your parents had taught you and go to California and have free love, do drugs, sexual revolution, like all of that.
01:16:46.760 And so, I mean, it's still a stigma today.
01:16:49.280 Well, it's really interesting, Dan, because the 1960s coincide perfectly with the baby boomer generation that TV was introduced in the 1950s, really started taking off in the 1960s.
01:17:02.340 I think 1960s were the first color television, more channels, that sort of thing.
01:17:07.560 But it's interesting as you track those changes culturally, even in the 1950s, we had, you know, Leave it to Beaver, Ward Cleaver as the father, very wholesome family.
01:17:16.700 Good dad.
01:17:17.360 It's often interesting, Brian, even today that we're like, oh, so you want to return to the 1950s in Ward Cleaver.
01:17:23.160 And I'm like, well, that'd be pretty good.
01:17:25.840 That would actually be a drastic upgrade.
01:17:27.980 Like, wait, you think it's bad?
01:17:29.540 They were married.
01:17:30.540 They had children.
01:17:31.560 He loved them.
01:17:32.480 There was like discipline.
01:17:33.320 Didn't cuss.
01:17:33.860 Taught them stuff.
01:17:35.440 And you want like the divorce, not teaching their children, cussing 13-year-olds, shooting up heroin.
01:17:42.580 Like that's what you'd prefer.
01:17:44.360 So we don't get the 50s.
01:17:46.160 that's what you want yeah but brian thank god we were delivered from the 50s but think about all
01:17:50.360 of the oppressed wives you know it's like well and it's interesting too because i was reading a
01:17:54.540 study uh or i guess it was like an essay a paper on betty for dan betty for dan the feminine mystique 1.00
01:18:00.500 her big argument was that housewives were so unhappy well somebody went back and did the 1.00
01:18:05.420 research on her main study that she referenced they went back they read the original that that
01:18:10.820 study showed that like 85 percent of women who stayed home could have got jobs didn't want them
01:18:15.600 were happy at home and felt fulfilled so even the whole thing is but eric there were 15 percent
01:18:22.740 they were 15 they were sad the main thing i want to drive at here is the way that media you can
01:18:30.060 read a book like amusing ourselves to death yeah really good the way that the media we have no clue
01:18:34.860 because it's the world we grew up in the way the media shapes what we think about the world
01:18:39.320 how we view fatherhood think about somebody like again homer simpson or peter griffin from family
01:18:44.720 guy dad is not the good guy in the stories from 59 to 89 with simpson to 99 with peter griffin
01:18:53.140 yeah it just keeps going even um i don't remember the movie but steve carell was in it i was
01:18:58.620 watching it on a plane and steve carell decides to stay home so his wife can go to work and so 0.99
01:19:03.880 he becomes a fommy he's a father mommy and like the whole movie is like he's an idiot who can't 0.98
01:19:12.540 get it together and his wife is really smart i mean this is like every movie everything you watch 1.00
01:19:18.380 on tv the guys are the idiots you need a woman to step in and save you the star wars uh films got 0.99
01:19:24.420 plagued by that same deal like all the heroes in the end are the women which wasn't true in the 1.00
01:19:29.520 early films you know it's it's really funny you bring up the media and how it essentially
01:19:34.620 catechizes people big time uh because pastor sove here had written an article some years ago
01:19:40.980 So that is now known as like the don't watch Netflix article, even though.
01:19:45.840 Yeah, which is literally not what I said.
01:19:48.040 You and John Piper.
01:19:49.260 It's called Netflix Catechesis and Parental Malpractice was the name of the article.
01:19:53.200 So John Piper went a step further.
01:19:55.260 His, I think in his, he said it's something like Netflix paves the road to hell.
01:20:00.760 Is he like, get mad at John Piper?
01:20:01.980 What are they mad at me for?
01:20:03.440 Anyway, continue, Dan.
01:20:04.320 I want to hear more about this.
01:20:05.880 Oh, no, I don't remember what the article said at all.
01:20:08.300 No, no, no. The main point was that media and entertainment isn't just something that's nice. It's like food. Dessert's nice. But if all you do is consume dessert, you are going to look a certain way because you're feeding your body.
01:20:24.880 Entertainment is the same way.
01:20:26.200 It might be the dessert of pleasure or whatever in life.
01:20:30.460 Boy, I shouldn't have said that. 0.97
01:20:31.840 Anyway, but you consume enough garbage and you become like it. 0.96
01:20:37.000 Your preferences are shaped by it.
01:20:38.880 I mean, this is what catechism does is it builds a person and their preferences, their likes, their dislikes, what is true, what is false, what is good and beautiful, what is ugly.
01:20:49.500 And so the thing that you're noticing, the theme is like that men are incompetent, fathers are dopes, women are powerful, women can do anything, women are economic drivers, and they always have to fix the men's mistakes.
01:21:06.420 Every point it's dig, dig, dig, dig, dig at men and then continue to try to prop up women into roles in which God did not design them to be in. 0.94
01:21:15.420 They're not made for them. 1.00
01:21:16.040 Yeah, exactly. And so it's showing you like in these movies and TV shows, we've all seen it, I'm sure, where you're watching a show and all of a sudden there's like a lewd sex scene and you're like, well, for that reason, I'm out. You know, you just have to put that in because free love is supposed to be something that's of value.
01:21:35.940 You should like this is what they're saying instead of finding it disgusting, you know.
01:21:41.220 And so the point of the article and it was, if I'm not mistaken, that entertainment shapes you like catechism.
01:21:51.240 Yeah, it was actually – I now realize I wrote two.
01:21:53.780 That was an earlier one.
01:21:54.640 The later one that really got hot water was Seven Reasons to Delete Your Netflix. 1.00
01:21:58.560 And it wasn't about never watching TV, but it was about this unconscious catechesis that's taking place that's actually making you stupid. 0.99
01:22:07.780 It's making you lie about the nature of cultural relevance. 0.98
01:22:10.700 Like, well, I won't be able to preach the gospel unless I – like, remember when Mark Driscoll said, if you want to really be culturally relevant, you need to buy two DVRs.
01:22:19.500 He was talking about, like, knowing everything in pop culture so you can preach the gospel.
01:22:23.900 And it's like, when was the last time your knowledge of Nicki Minaj
01:22:28.000 helped you share the gospel with somebody?
01:22:31.180 Probably never.
01:22:32.480 I hope you have no knowledge of Nicki Minaj.
01:22:34.640 I'm ashamed I even know that name.
01:22:36.380 The weird thing about Mark, too.
01:22:38.700 I remember when C.J. Mahaney and John Piper and those guys
01:22:41.580 were kind of in the process of correcting him.
01:22:44.280 Mark had said publicly, like in a sermon, he's like,
01:22:46.380 yeah, I probably read and pray less than five minutes a day.
01:22:50.420 Poor guy.
01:22:51.020 And you were like, Mark, like, I'm thinking as a pastor, I'm so much more concerned that you have high Bible intake and prayer life than, I don't know, say, knowledge of MTV.
01:23:03.740 Yeah, probably not good.
01:23:05.500 And I think more recently, 2007, the introduction of the iPhone, that's really another, like TV, another change in telecommunications that has drastically reshaped our culture.
01:23:16.280 just a quick plug i think fathers you have a responsibility to protect your wives your
01:23:21.280 teenage daughters your teenage sons do not give them a smartphone if you're young kids and i mean
01:23:27.300 like i've legitimately thought about this as a church how many problems does it cause versus
01:23:33.720 how helpful and like let's go back to flip phones i mean i i think in a lot of ways it wouldn't harm
01:23:41.640 us more than it would help us. So definitely some things to be thinking about. I read a recent
01:23:47.600 study and they were talking about young girls, like self-esteem, whatever, it's worse than it's
01:23:51.200 ever been. But to phase out from the cultural way of describing it, their mental health is worse
01:23:57.080 than ever. And this is not just women, but men. Suicide rates, depression are really high. They
01:24:03.140 found that for young girls who committed suicide, the number one factor that they found among them
01:24:08.240 was that they had no real world relationships
01:24:09.960 and their entire life was lived
01:24:11.980 through social media on their phone.
01:24:14.660 So again, this would be a one for fathers of,
01:24:18.240 this is just a root cause of our cultural decay
01:24:20.480 and the fragility of our children.
01:24:22.540 It hasn't helped them that they live life through a screen.
01:24:26.860 Not good.
01:24:28.240 Yeah, there was another void there, right?
01:24:30.080 Was friends.
01:24:31.080 And so, oh, we'll give you friends.
01:24:32.620 We'll give you social media.
01:24:34.500 And so that was a company that saw a void
01:24:38.220 and they tried to fill it and we feel like we have friends but most people don't unless you're
01:24:45.880 in this room right now with the king's hall gentlemen the friendship is amazing what else
01:24:52.500 is amazing in my life is the way brian closes down the show oh i thought you were gonna insert
01:24:57.080 an ad there is what it sounds what a good transition and let me just say that sometimes
01:25:02.300 when you look deeply into the problems you are in your friend's eyes i was gonna say you're
01:25:08.620 tempted to take the black pill but that doesn't eric when i look in your eyes that is exactly
01:25:14.700 what i want i like how you said nobody can close down a show like brian and then interrupt him
01:25:19.100 nobody can interrupt someone closing down a show like eric no that's right it's true though
01:25:25.140 sometimes when you start looking at the problems it can get you angry and black pilled and
01:25:31.940 And you guys know that that is not the end all at the King's Hall. 0.55
01:25:36.480 That's not the last thing we want to leave you with isn't just, wow, I'm mad or, wow, that sucks, which is true. 0.93
01:25:44.300 Some of these things should make you angry, and some of them might make you say, well, that sucks.
01:25:48.440 We do want to accurately diagnose the problems here that have been created in our society surrounding fatherhood.
01:25:54.120 but we want to give you and provide and even begin the discussion in many cases on real
01:26:00.940 blue-collar, practicable solutions. And so we're going to be talking about that in upcoming episodes
01:26:07.400 here in this season. We're not just going to keep talking about the history and the problems. We're
01:26:11.300 going to talk about solutions, restoring biblical fatherhood, restoring the right understanding and
01:26:16.920 practice of the fifth commandment, even things like building generational wealth in a world that
01:26:21.500 hates it to disrupt that cycle of daddy government, how to create churches that attract masculine men,
01:26:28.220 train them to be righteous fathers, establishing rites of passage for our sons, and a lot more
01:26:33.340 than that. So keep that dial on the King's Hall. I know you guys are all listening to this on an
01:26:39.620 old radio set in your living room, so don't turn that dial. Don't change the channel. Don't
01:26:46.040 unsubscribe from your pod catcher.
01:26:48.860 It's probably a better way to put it.
01:26:50.360 Stay tuned and we'll open up the solutions in the next episode and beyond.
01:26:56.100 Remember in the meantime,
01:26:57.640 fest in Alente,
01:26:58.840 make haste slowly.
01:27:00.400 We are going to need a hurry and get to work on these things,
01:27:02.840 but it's a long project.
01:27:04.960 We need a long obedience.
01:27:06.380 We'll see you next time on the King's Hall.
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