The King's Hall - Unsupervised Women： How Social Media Stirs Mental Illness

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00:00:56.600 well guys here we are again another social media pileup wait evan is this one about black people

00:01:09.240 women or jews oh that's right this one's about women right wing watch shared a clip from our

00:01:16.040 episode on lindsey clancy in which we talked about how social media is causing women to

00:01:22.180 pass on mental illnesses like contagions. And of course, this is just verifiably true, 1.00

00:01:28.340 and it's not just some kind of Christian nationalist patriarchal talking point either.

00:01:33.300 As just one example, Jonathan Haidt wrote about it in his New York Times bestselling book,

00:01:37.780 The Anxious Generation. We didn't get in trouble, though, for merely saying it out loud.

00:01:42.100 What we got in trouble for was making an application. We simply pointed out that since

00:01:47.360 fathers and husbands have a responsibility to protect their wives and daughters from dangers

00:01:52.380 spiritual as well as physical, this should extend to overseeing and safeguarding her social media

00:01:58.500 usage. All pretty bland and normal stuff if you take a minute to think about it. But as we put it

00:02:04.300 in our new book on the longhouse, the codes of conduct in a feminist society actually promote 1.00

00:02:09.920 and accelerate hysterical reactions to anything white men thought was normative 20 minutes ago, 0.99

00:02:15.740 culturally speaking. For example, rule number nine in the longhouse is that hysteria is germ

00:02:21.380 warfare. It's pandemic and highly transmissible. It's not enough to create hysteria through

00:02:27.220 emotional manipulation and control. Hysteria actually has to be spread as widely as possible.

00:02:33.160 How can that hysteria control the world unless it's shared by as many people as possible after

00:02:38.120 all? And so in the longhouse, social media is not just a place to stay connected with your great

00:02:43.800 Aunt Muriel, it's a contagion vector for emotional instability. From the Me Too movement to I Can't

00:02:50.760 Breathe to the genital mutilation of children in the transgender movement, female distress becomes

00:02:56.400 female delirium, becomes social contagion, becomes societal prison. And isn't that exactly what we've 0.89

00:03:02.820 seen even recently with the Lindsay Clancy case or now with the hysteria surrounding our episode? 0.92

00:03:08.760 What used to be ordinary Christian views on male headship now cause hysterical reactions from women of both sexes, and this is integral to how the Longhouse suffocates society with its tyrannical mechanisms for control. 0.90

00:03:23.160 Over on Instagram, folks like Josh Benson, who we learned this week has 335,000 followers, 334,995 of which now hate us, he said that anyone who thinks they have to supervise their women, as we claimed, must in fact be a Quran-carrying Islamist. 0.92

00:03:42.660 Seriously, he didn't. He said we're Muslims.

00:03:45.220 He accused us of promoting Sharia law and asked how much ISIS is paying us to say things like this.

00:03:50.800 Now, the irony is that we're simply repeating and applying principles that old dead Christian guys like William Gouge, you know, the reformed Puritan, said hundreds of years ago.

00:04:01.780 It's the kind of thing a father in 1958 would have nodded along to and said half annoyed. 0.94

00:04:08.240 Well, obviously, men should provide supervision for how their ladies act in public. 1.00

00:04:13.020 Obviously. 1.00

00:04:13.500 Today, however, the issue of female sin is a third rail of religious, cultural, and political discourse. 0.73

00:04:21.360 Touch it at your own risk.

00:04:22.940 The comments section and many of the viral posts about us were spicier than the Indian food served at the most recent University of Texas football game. 0.86

00:04:31.060 Women daydreamed aloud about cutting off, well, somebody's manhood. 0.87

00:04:38.380 So my point was that women tend to get a little insane on social media, and women who didn't like that point decided to go and immediately prove that point about how hysterical and quite frankly evil they can be by becoming hysterical and frankly evil. 0.98

00:04:54.900 Someone should call these ladies husbands. 0.72

00:04:57.100 Back over on X, Pastor Tom Buck, always eager to defend the honor of milady feminism, pronounced the gravest warnings about us here in Ogden.

00:05:05.680 Quote, I am to the point that I would warn Christians listening to or following Webin's group, the Ogden group, or anyone who promotes them.

00:05:14.540 I do so with the same energy I would have when I warn against false teachers, end quote.

00:05:19.900 No, he didn't provide evidence that we're false teachers, nor did he substantiate his claims in any way.

00:05:24.960 He just lobbed a poison gas cloud grenade into the crowd like it was no serious offense.

00:05:30.920 Not our first time, by the way.

00:05:32.460 Forget the Ninth Commandment, forget the actual standards of orthodoxy, 0.96

00:05:36.580 the petty squabbles of the reformed ghettos supersede biblical jurisprudence in the matter,

00:05:41.880 or so it seems many believe.

00:05:43.920 Now, in this episode, we'll discuss the recent dust-up,

00:05:47.180 why we think it's important to keep addressing the sins and errors of feminism 0.92

00:05:50.680 as we've laid them out in our new book, The Longhouse,

00:05:53.100 and how faithful people can endure in the face of constant criticism, threats, and even hysteria.

00:06:01.160 The King's Hall podcast exists to make self-ruled men who rule well and win the world.

00:06:11.020 Well, welcome to this episode of the King's Hall podcast.

00:06:13.580 I'm one of your hosts, Eric Kahn, always staying out of trouble.

00:06:16.560 Unlike my compatriot over here, Brian Sauve.

00:06:21.560 Welcome, welcome, welcome.

00:06:23.540 And boy, do you have some explaining to do.

00:06:25.580 well in in the words of many people who saw the clip of me saying whatever the latest thing was

00:06:30.880 eric how dare you how dare you eric this is all your fault eric why didn't you stop him i thought

00:06:36.300 we would actually do this episode in the style of a struggle session okay so my first question 0.72

00:06:42.200 brian is first of all how dare you who do you think you are well see eric what happened was

00:06:50.200 i forgot whatever medicine that they give to the prisoners to like make chemically castrate them

00:06:56.040 that day or whatever a tgc writer you know and i forgot to take it that day so you forgot i

00:07:01.800 accidentally had some testosterone leak out and yeah yeah it may have gone off okay i'm just gonna

00:07:08.200 leave that right there we're gonna need to stop that right there let me just say we broke

00:07:12.440 containment yeah we did and you know years ago joel by the way our friend joel webin yeah uh he

00:07:19.020 said you know if you guys ever start like cutting more clips but here's the thing we didn't do it

00:07:25.040 right wing watch did it for us yeah yeah he did say hey if you guys ever just started cutting

00:07:31.340 clips of the things you say every single episode of the king's hall the internet will freak out

00:07:36.740 yeah like they do to me and we're like what do you mean we're just podcasters he's like yeah but

00:07:40.740 you can't cut out an audio clip of a podcast the same way it doesn't it doesn't have the same

00:07:44.720 so he was right he was very right about that yeah um so kind of setting the scene obviously

00:07:51.360 we just talked about that in the cold open but uh we were talking in context yeah about 0.96

00:07:58.560 crazy women hysteria yes and so the immediate thing when that hit the internet was crazy women

00:08:05.660 hysteria so true so kind of proving our point yeah maybe the funniest one that you shared was 0.65

00:08:13.160 a lady who said i'd like to cut off some manhoods yeah she said something like just one time in my

00:08:19.620 life i would like to literally remove a man's equipment yeah and i i thought man i am properly 1.00

00:08:28.680 chastened women are fine they're fine there's nothing wrong with them they don't need it you 0.98

00:08:33.600 know what i take it all back we we we need to supervise women less even less than they currently 1.00

00:08:41.280 are even less yeah yeah um so one one of the clips i think you have like queued up here

00:08:48.040 um that really there were a couple i think on instagram which i'm kind of new to yeah yeah

00:08:55.060 welcome to instagram it's quite the experience yeah um i don't know if this is true but it seems 0.79

00:09:00.700 like there's more even more unhinged women there there's a lot of two things on instagram 0.99

00:09:06.400 liberal women and racism and when you sign up for instagram it's like harry potter they sort 1.00

00:09:13.400 you into one of those two houses yes and then that's all you get for the rest of your life on 0.99

00:09:18.080 instagram it's either oh this is a lib and then they give you what i don't know what the libs are

00:09:22.880 looking at these these clips apparently about us or it's just literal racism yeah so i want to i

00:09:28.660 want to look at this clip but it kind of goes into one of the themes that i've seen a lot in this i

00:09:33.420 It is just the like neoconservative, pro-Zionist, quasi-Christian.

00:09:38.740 They would call themselves Christian.

00:09:40.020 I'm sure some of them are, but this is what we talked about with the liberal apparatus

00:09:44.920 invading Christianity. 0.76

00:09:46.900 And their only retort is this is Sharia law. 0.98

00:09:50.340 Yes.

00:09:51.240 It's so funny because whenever something like this happens, you know, I'm vaguely aware

00:09:56.300 of these popular accounts on Instagram.

00:09:58.320 A lot of them are comedians and some of them are genuinely funny.

00:10:01.560 Like this one guy, I didn't know his name before this.

00:10:05.040 I just knew I've seen his reels before.

00:10:07.040 He does like skits about church stuff that are genuinely a lot of them are pretty funny.

00:10:12.500 He has one that was like Hollywood making a movie with literally any conservative Christian character.

00:10:18.520 And it's like, hi, I'm the local youth pastor. 0.66

00:10:20.760 And it turns out I'm a pedophile. 0.99

00:10:23.280 And then there's like, he said something like, oh, hi, I'm a fat black lesbian woman. 0.99

00:10:28.480 And it turns out I have a heart of gold and you misjudged me based on my 0.97

00:10:31.620 appearance.

00:10:32.940 And he was so real for that.

00:10:34.720 Yeah.

00:10:35.000 But then whenever we have something like this break containment,

00:10:38.020 you know,

00:10:39.400 you'll be on Instagram or whatever.

00:10:40.920 And all of a sudden you'll see your own face.

00:10:43.080 And then you look up in the little corner and you're like,

00:10:45.440 I know that account.

00:10:47.060 Oh no.

00:10:50.420 He finished.

00:10:51.180 We finished.

00:10:51.740 We finished.

00:10:52.160 We finished.

00:10:52.240 Get dragged.

00:10:52.920 We finished.

00:10:53.380 And he did.

00:10:53.940 And I got to be honest.

00:10:54.760 I laughed a couple.

00:10:55.800 The shout out. 1.00

00:10:56.320 Aisha part was pretty funny. 1.00

00:10:57.400 We should watch it.

00:10:58.100 Yeah.

00:10:58.480 Let me pull this up, Jamie.

00:11:00.620 Jamie, can you pull this up?

00:11:02.600 Like, no, it's on your phone.

00:11:04.600 Yeah, here you go. 1.00

00:11:05.440 We consider normal women having unsupervised access to one another. 1.00

00:11:11.760 As my wife's head monitoring her social media.

00:11:14.840 And they're like, Brian is such a tyrant.

00:11:16.860 Brian, you're not a tyrant. 1.00

00:11:18.180 Guys, these Christian pastors are correct.

00:11:20.220 The Bible clearly says men are the caretakers of women as men have been provisioned by God over women. 0.97

00:11:26.260 Just kidding. 1.00

00:11:26.780 that's the quran we have now hit a point where the christian red pill nanosphere or whatever it's 0.97

00:11:34.120 called is just becoming a giant billboard for sharia law like how much is isis paying you guys 1.00

00:11:39.480 to say this fellas here's the thing if you want to control every aspect of your wife's life how 1.00

00:11:44.760 much time she gets to spend with her friends how much screen time she gets on her phone like a child 0.83

00:11:48.800 shout out aisha i have great news for you there is a religion for you and it is islam just move 0.77

00:11:54.880 to the middle east or at least dearborn michigan like they will accept him with open arms the 0.57

00:11:58.960 funniest thing about all this i bet if you ask those two guys how they feel about the growing

00:12:02.300 influence of his mom in america they'd be like he grows fellas you're doing their work for them

00:12:08.860 you might as well start your podcast every single episode with assalamualaikum delete the pod fellas

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00:12:59.220 funny can i just say something yeah yeah go ahead like where is the oil money

00:13:03.800 you mean we've been you guys are getting paid

00:13:08.420 We were talking about this because like you and I were and like the running joke is like, I didn't realize like you could monetize X.

00:13:17.300 And I was talking to my wife about it and she goes, oh, no, he does it for the love of the game.

00:13:21.980 Eric's doing this for the love of the game.

00:13:23.420 I had to walk Eric through how to apply.

00:13:26.080 I didn't even know the original content creator program.

00:13:29.160 He was like, new program.

00:13:30.580 What's going on?

00:13:31.360 I was like, Eric, you've been doing this for free.

00:13:35.040 Like what?

00:13:36.800 You're like James White level of, you know, awareness of technology.

00:13:40.140 For love of the game.

00:13:42.200 That guy, that was pretty funny.

00:13:44.340 That's pretty funny.

00:13:45.220 When I saw it the first time and he said, shout out Aisha, like ICAT.

00:13:49.060 So I had to ask you, like, is Aisha a black rapper?

00:13:53.780 Well, probably. 0.93

00:13:54.980 The joke, and it was the reason I appreciated it as a fellow.

00:13:58.120 You know, Josh, come on the show.

00:13:59.640 I think we'd get along.

00:14:00.700 We'll give you like 48 ounces of free ghost energy and we'll just vibe.

00:14:04.400 It'll be a good time. 1.00

00:14:05.880 But Aisha is the child bride that Muhammad married. 1.00

00:14:09.540 Oh, interesting.

00:14:09.840 You know, because he's a really good person.

00:14:11.300 So Muhammad, as a good person, he did what all good, like, 40 to 50-year-old men did,

00:14:16.740 and he married a literal 10-year-old.

00:14:18.860 See, when he said, shout out, Aisha, in my head, I heard, shout out, Rihanna.

00:14:23.500 Oh, okay.

00:14:24.260 So it was a different track. 0.59

00:14:26.180 You just have a lot of black culture. 0.97

00:14:28.680 I was like, is this about domestic violence? 1.00

00:14:30.500 What is this about?

00:14:31.960 I'm just going to stand there and watch me burn.

00:14:33.740 Yeah. 1.00

00:14:34.060 no that's hinduism is that hinduism yeah you know you burn the wife the husband oh sati sati yeah

00:14:42.200 i can't keep up with this that's what rihanna was singing about look josh let me clarify for you

00:14:46.460 here um the thing is like what we're describing is not islam it's just normal historic christianity

00:14:52.420 where husbands are the head of their wives and they're supposed to protect and love and nourish

00:14:57.400 and cherish them you know the way christ does his church and so one of the things that a guy 0.96

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00:16:51.700 hall listeners get 15 off their first order i don't know brian it kind of like i kind of want

00:16:59.220 to come at you with the same energy that i would come at a false teacher when you say things like

00:17:03.280 that like a false teacher but like i'm not saying you are no no no i would never i would never

00:17:07.380 insinuate that thank you for clarifying but it sort of seems like a lot of christian pastors

00:17:13.000 i don't know your vibe seems all wrong it's not that i think you are a false teacher it's just

00:17:19.500 that i would come at you with the same energy with which i would come at a false teacher

00:17:23.100 but not because you are one yeah and i'm not like warning people against your camp or like

00:17:28.500 joel webbin or anything but like if i had the energy of a false teacher i would come at you

00:17:33.480 with that energy it is so funny though because and i wrote like a hey guy this is a few points

00:17:40.960 Okay, right wing watch hates all Christians and they other than like Rob Bell, who's not a Christian. So see my first point. And they they make a habit of clipping out anybody who is, you know, the type of Christian who lived before the Civil Rights Act, essentially, or before, you know, whatever, when they were the foundation of the gospel.

00:18:01.140 Like if you say, I think that we had a Christian founding, and I'd like to still please have a Christian nation. Yeah, you'll probably get clipped.

00:18:07.700 Yeah, if you say, hey, we probably shouldn't, you know, import millions of Somalian Muslims into America, then you'll get clipped by right wing watch. So they clipped this out. The context of the episode was Lindsay Clancy. We were in and not just that, but also the research that literally secular psychologists have done on social media.

00:18:27.720 And they've noted, again, not patriarchal Christian right-wingers, but like Jonathan Haidt and a lot of these researchers, sociologists, psychologists, et cetera.

00:18:37.260 And they just said, look, women are much more prone to receive social contagions and mental illness diagnoses through use of social media than men even.

00:18:46.700 And it's not good for either men or women, it turns out. 0.95

00:18:50.260 But it's especially bad for women.

00:18:53.020 Yeah, I think the statistic was that if a woman has mental illness, her friends are 142% more likely to have a mental illness vis-a-vis she passed it on.

00:19:05.780 Again, the funny thing was that it was less than like 1%.

00:19:09.240 It's basically zero.

00:19:10.360 The men were like, bro, dude, I don't care about your depression. 1.00

00:19:14.160 Sucks to suck. 1.00

00:19:15.380 Go lift weights. 1.00

00:19:16.680 Yeah.

00:19:17.420 You probably just, you probably can't even bench two plates.

00:19:20.600 So, I mean, I would be depressed too if I were you.

00:19:23.020 honestly, you should be depressed. So that's the context of the episode. And we were talking about

00:19:27.760 how, well, what do we do about this? Right. I have three daughters. I have a wife. We passed our

00:19:33.860 church with hundreds of women. And yet, you know, in, in our school, lots of, lots of adorable 0.96

00:19:39.340 little girls running around. You think like, how do I prevent that little girl from getting

00:19:42.800 captured by the psychopaths that are trying to convince her that she should start taking copious

00:19:49.320 amounts of testosterone and a LARP as a boy. Yeah. Or like she should diagnose herself with

00:19:55.680 18 designer mental illnesses, get on, you know, a heavy dose of SSRIs and then cut her hair in a 0.99

00:20:03.100 dyke haircut and et cetera, and go down, you know, do the hater dad and apostatize from the Christian 1.00

00:20:09.280 faith. It's like, what are we going to do about that? And one of the things that must be done 0.94

00:20:13.240 is that shocker men have to obey God. And so this is fathers and its husbands have to obey

00:20:20.860 their, their God-given duties to protect their wives and protect their daughters.

00:20:26.800 And one of those things, I think, I think it's increasingly clear that one of the places where

00:20:31.780 that bulwark needs to be built is in social media. Yeah, I agree with you. One of the things I think

00:20:37.740 with the sort of the pietism g3 adjacent pastors owen strand put put him him her in that category

00:20:45.540 too um but yeah exactly um what's interesting though it it goes back to there was an old this

00:20:53.520 was like red pill time frame but dalrock you remember that oh yeah dalrock he had a blog post

00:21:01.220 about kind of the era with like c.s lewis and the chivalry trap yeah how a lot of these guys they

00:21:08.060 don't know how to deal with the state of women today and chivalry was not great actually in the

00:21:14.880 medieval period so you have things like lancelot who's like having an illicit relationship with

00:21:20.720 arthur's girl this is kind of like where some of the chivalry comes from but in that framework

00:21:26.660 he's like matt stafford's backup quarterback for i say poor man you know you know poor man

00:21:33.460 but he chose but also you did that you married her you and she said like i did yeah yeah okay

00:21:38.820 terrible anyway if you know you know if you know you know uh but the in this framework it's really

00:21:44.580 hard for a guy like tom buck it's really hard for him to say women are really awful right now

00:21:49.620 and just without qualification right it always has to be like somehow they're the rose that

00:21:55.660 jesus really wants anytime there's uh online kerfuffle about you know cam girls or you know

00:22:03.080 like online prostitutes basically they convert to christ or or maybe they don't but it's like

00:22:09.740 oh these women you know there was a man somewhere who abused them yeah and and within minutes they 0.98

00:22:14.840 should be like teaching all of us about the christian faith on large social media accounts 0.83

00:22:19.080 correct yeah maybe this is a bad idea yeah like what was the like the nala honestly

00:22:26.240 the red-haired please don't make me try to learn more details about yeah i know but then you'll

00:22:31.820 you'll see it'll be like i know you're talking you're talking about there was that only fans 0.95

00:22:36.080 lady yes she converted okay and then but then she's speaking at like women events with like 1.00

00:22:41.080 the ali best stucky crowd not only that she immediately pivoted to making cooking videos

00:22:46.300 And some, one of our guys, you know, someone on the right wing shared this video and it's

00:22:50.980 like the most overtly sensual cooking video you've ever seen.

00:22:55.220 And you're like, we know what you're doing.

00:22:58.020 This is not a transferable skill.

00:23:00.240 Like actually, unfortunately it apparently is a transferable skill in the marketplace

00:23:05.600 of attention on social media, but it was like, what are we doing here?

00:23:10.480 But time after time, all of these ostensibly conservative, ostensibly Christian pastors will come out and be like, how dare you say anything about our sister in Christ, Nala, what is her name?

00:23:27.560 And you just go, look, we're not saying that a sinful woman cannot be converted. 0.99

00:23:33.680 the men at the manosphere conference that i spoke to the the i told all of them to stop being hoes 0.99

00:23:40.880 and like stop looking at porn and stop doing their pickup artistry crap and all of that stop being 0.98

00:23:44.880 evolutionists and whatnot and yeah i believe that all those men could be forgiven of their sins just 0.97

00:23:50.300 as i just as you welcome into christ's kingdom baptized all of your sins washed away we believe

00:23:56.240 that about all these women but the distinction is we're saying but there are still earthly 0.83

00:24:00.640 consequences when you have slept with a thousand men on camera there's still earthly consequences 1.00

00:24:06.780 when it comes to things like i don't know whether we should prop you up online as an influencer

00:24:11.620 account just as one example and and here's my position eric it's gonna be i think that is a bad

00:24:18.900 idea here i stand contremendum here i i'm so that was stunning and it was brave here i stand all

00:24:26.200 five foot apparently apparently it actually is stunning and brave to say that because everyone

00:24:31.560 freaks out and writes articles about how you hate women you're like i don't hate women i just

00:24:35.180 like there there's a there's a sin and here here's the problem there's a sin in the middle of 1.00

00:24:39.880 the only fans pipeline where the woman is seeking the attention of men could the to control men 1.00

00:24:46.880 manipulate men profit from men like taking these good instincts of uh of womankind that god baked 1.00

00:24:53.320 into the woman that she's supposed to seek to come under the headship, win the affection 1.00

00:24:59.160 of a man and be married to him and be the mother of his children and seek to win his 0.99

00:25:04.680 love and affection and protection.

00:25:07.040 But that gets twisted into seeking the attention of a thousand men, a million men, and monetizing

00:25:12.560 it through sexual sin.

00:25:14.680 And here's what I think is just missing over and over in this conversation. 0.85

00:25:18.800 Once those women convert, one of the sins that we need to repent of is the insult. 1.00

00:25:23.320 to do that just in other areas so the last thing you should be giving a woman who's genuinely 0.97

00:25:30.160 repentant and converted and saved and washed of those sins is another platform where she can get

00:25:36.400 the same attention and start to do the same category of sin just now instead of sexual

00:25:42.300 manipulation it's different types of manipulation yeah we've even seen it with men where like there

00:25:47.460 was the dude who like married the cam girl yes and then it's you know and then and then it becomes 0.99

00:25:53.680 like he he builds his platform off of like my wife was a whore and you're like listen that's probably 0.83

00:25:59.400 not the right move the book of hosea is in the bible but the point of the book of hosea wasn't 0.99

00:26:04.200 this is a totally normative and good situation the point was like israel you are so bad and

00:26:12.060 idolatrous if i could just give you a picture of what it's like here it's this bad that's supposed

00:26:19.900 to be the point not and these modern evangelicals are reading hosea and they're like see eric and

00:26:26.760 brian they just they don't have the heart of christ they read hosea and they say jesus wants

00:26:31.240 the hose that's what they say he's been saving that up i've been saving that took me two years

00:26:39.560 i worked on that for two years matt matt chandler's you know eric's doing react videos from

00:26:44.540 like 2017 yeah right now yeah yeah hey good that's called fresh and timely

00:26:49.480 so it's interesting brian and we get pushed back on this point but if you're going to be a faithful

00:26:55.480 pastor today um it's going to mean i i think for for us we we've seen this it's going to mean that

00:27:03.780 you have to do applicational work one of the problems is you could say the principle you

00:27:08.960 could say fathers in a very like owen strand kind of way you could say fathers you have a duty to

00:27:16.000 protect your daughters you're reeling me in like you oh men where are you you know you can do all

00:27:25.000 that and people are totally cool with that they're like that guy is so brave brave stunning his clown

00:27:31.160 shoes are growing by the day he's standing up to all the bad people in the world protect those

00:27:36.180 ladies but then when you actually apply it to a specific instance this is where people lose their

00:27:42.900 mind and and there look there are a lot of people who will say to us and have said to us brian why

00:27:51.120 why are you going out in the public sphere and addressing real sins especially if some of the

00:27:57.880 sins are me ladies me ladies see that's the problem it's like we live in a world where 0.94

00:28:01.660 somewhere between one and four and one and six women have literally murdered their own child 1.00

00:28:04.960 on purpose. That's a lot of them. Yeah. But do you know why they do that? It's men, men. And yeah, 0.99

00:28:11.160 like the men who are committing the fornication and the other things also bad. I don't like that

00:28:15.820 either. I believe that both of them should stop doing all of that stuff. I see. This is actually

00:28:21.440 a complicated position that you bring up. Really? You're saying that two things at the same time

00:28:26.280 can be bad. Yes, actually. In fact, in men, sometimes let me, let me break this down for

00:28:33.360 you. Okay. Benjamin, I know you just started editing this, but if you could just go ahead

00:28:38.280 and make some elaborate motion graphics for me, that'd be great. So in the column over here,

00:28:42.040 you have men and then men, they can do different activities. Okay. Are you still with me? I think

00:28:47.740 I got it. They can play baseball. Okay. Grill hot dogs. Okay. Commit sins. Whoa. Yep. Okay. So no,

00:28:55.020 keep that in mind. Now hold that in your mind. Okay. This is going to be complicated. The other

00:28:58.720 side over here you've got women okay now i know hey calm down calm down ladies i'm not they can 1.00

00:29:06.460 do different activities bake pies they should be doing more of that wear cute aprons while they

00:29:13.200 bake pies okay make people right and also sin see that's where you lost no no listen now now both

00:29:19.900 sides of that column are true what and here's the thing they're even true at the same time

00:29:25.940 it's i don't think i'm explaining this clearly enough no i i think i've lost owen i beat y'all

00:29:33.720 and okay let me and then there's this other flow chart connected to this chart

00:29:37.980 and it's pastors pastoring churches they should talk about correct exhort rebuke all of those

00:29:46.020 things the sins of this side of the column the men but never this side actually that side over

00:29:54.980 there the women's side yeah i'm good if you correct those sins as long as you blame those

00:29:59.920 sins on the men see that i i get what you're saying but if you did that it's implying that

00:30:05.580 she actually has committed a sin at some point i think it would be safe that's where i get

00:30:09.420 uncomfortable i think it'd be safer just to say that the men they have sinned they've sinned but

00:30:14.960 then also when the women sin it's actually them sinning it's not even the women sinning the men

00:30:19.680 are sinning through the women it's a form of abuse they're actually inhabiting the bodies of

00:30:27.540 the women what's why and they're driving it's like tesla self-driving and it's really complicated but

00:30:34.820 and i can't explain it fully but i know this to be true what's funny is we're making fun of

00:30:39.600 something obviously but people think this way people at least they act like they think this way

00:30:45.840 because literally the context of the episode is a woman who systematically strangled her own

00:30:52.560 children and like millions of women online who were like wear pink in solidarity with the baby

00:30:59.660 strangler and then we make an episode and we're like this is bad someone should supervise these

00:31:06.880 women and i'm not and they're like well not every woman's like lindsey clancy and we're like again

00:31:11.440 look, tell me where I've lost you. It's not just Lindsay Clancy. It is the millions of women who

00:31:18.180 are like, we are pink in solidarity with Lindsay Clancy. Her husband, Patrick is such a bad man,

00:31:23.240 but I'm five, four though, but I'm five, four. And in the context of that episode, I was like,

00:31:28.640 look, I on social media, I don't want my wife to be influenced by it. And my wife's wise and

00:31:34.660 intelligent and she's fruitful and godly. And still, I don't want her in contact with whatever,

00:31:40.240 you know it'd be like oh we have the rabies vaccine so our kids can play with all of the 0.98

00:31:44.960 the the foaming at the mouth raccoons let's get them a foaming in the mouth raccoon play pen

00:31:49.940 actually put the kids in you're like no no just because she's smart and godly i still believe it 1.00

00:31:55.040 or not still don't want her to be in contact with the crazy rabid raccoon ladies and actually so we 1.00

00:32:00.120 should supervise that it's actually interesting because the sign of a godly woman and you've had

00:32:05.400 this i'm sure i've had this the godly women in our church have had this where they've said to

00:32:09.660 their husband. Hey, I saw this thing. Like, how should I think about that? Yeah. Or should I even 0.52

00:32:14.560 follow this person anymore? Legitimately in the middle of the Clancy thing, before we recorded

00:32:18.880 the episode, a member of our church said, Pastor Silve, can I, can I call you? And it was a lady

00:32:24.860 in the church. I wanted to ask you some things. I talked to my husband. He said, you know, I'm not

00:32:29.720 sure. Go ahead. You feel free to talk to Pastor Silve about that. Because, and I hate to admit

00:32:35.440 this to all the reformed ladies, the reformed egalitarian ladies. I actually tell women in 0.88

00:32:43.900 the church, have you asked your husband a lot of times when they ask me questions?

00:32:50.540 Another part of my patriarchal misogyny, but she had, and she was like, yeah, he told me,

00:32:54.960 why don't you talk to Pastor Sobe about this? So she called me, she was like, walk me through

00:32:59.000 this Lindsay Clancy thing. You know, you guys have said this and I'm just trying to thread

00:33:02.840 the needle on like the biblical case for, you know, how does the insanity defense fit into this,

00:33:07.520 all this stuff. And so I, I, I talked her through it and I was like, great. And, and it was all

00:33:11.720 fine. Um, but like, that is a normal instinct for a godly woman to have, to be like, I should ask

00:33:18.720 my husband about this. I should bring this for a young unmarried woman. I should, I should ask my 1.00

00:33:24.500 dad about this, or I should ask my pastor about this. Um, because I'm hearing all these women 1.00

00:33:30.640 telling me that Lindsay Clancy was a victim. And, and, and I don't know to kind of, some of it

00:33:35.460 sounds compelling to me, but they're all saying like, Oh, boo, Lindsay Clancy, she was a bad

00:33:39.160 woman. She should, you know, receive capital punishment, which is true. And what would a 0.99

00:33:44.640 godly woman do? She would go and ask her husband or go and ask her dad. But what the reformed 0.99

00:33:51.820 ladies are doing online is they're making t-shirts that say unsupervised woman so that they can boast 1.00

00:34:00.080 about how all of the opposite of the things the Bible says are good. We do that. We do opposite 1.00

00:34:05.700 that. It, it, this is the irony of that. They're like, it's just a joke, Brian. I'm like, no, no,

00:34:10.660 listen, imagine that you were to make a shirt that said like gentle and quiet spirit and then

00:34:17.580 a line through it. And you're like, yeah, but it's a good, it's a funny joke. And I'm like,

00:34:22.020 I don't think God is laughing. No, I don't think he's laughing. It's interesting because there were

00:34:27.860 uh, a few pastors, uh, who lined up and I'm not going to say, you know, what denomination they

00:34:33.460 were from. It was a CREC, but I won't go there. The, yeah, the, the interesting thing to me,

00:34:42.380 like that was called the Kanye playbook. That was the Kanye. Um, but Kanye C O N N just in case you

00:34:48.440 need to spell that out. Um, but one of the things that was interesting, they said, you know, well,

00:34:53.760 pro tip if you so there's a subtweet pro tip but if you marry a godly woman then you won't have to

00:35:01.420 supervise her and so i immediately thought okay let's apply that to the pre-fall state of adam

00:35:07.720 and eve yeah let's let's do it let's see what happens so if you said to adam hey adam listen

00:35:12.240 if you marry a godly woman you won't have to supervise she can talk to the servant by herself

00:35:17.740 he's like well she's literally sinless at this point yeah so i would say godly eve yeah so yeah

00:35:25.160 like i should be able to just do gentle parent like you know the equivalent gentle parent gentle

00:35:30.200 like just she'll figure it out she'll figure it out but in fact we find that was adam's exact he

00:35:36.260 was supervising in the sense that he watched while his wife sinned which is what farming and jesus

00:35:41.360 lizzie's husband does because apparently he's aware of all the things she says online but then

00:35:46.220 he just goes, this is good. This is fine. He says to her, he says, he says to her, he says,

00:35:52.400 she says, I have done nothing wrong ever. And he says, I know that I know this. And she says,

00:35:56.300 you know, there's another biblical example that comes to mind, which is like, this principle is

00:36:02.320 exactly why we know that Christ, he is not with his bride to the end of the age. He's actually

00:36:08.220 pretty like, he's not looking at all. He's over on the, you know, he's in heaven doing his thing.

00:36:12.620 the bride of christ is pretty much on her own because you know obviously

00:36:16.520 she's the she's you know it's the church they're saints so like

00:36:20.720 he doesn't need to do any overseeing or anything like that you know it's not

00:36:25.680 he didn't like leave her the holy spirit and

00:36:28.840 sanctify her by the word fire and this is one of the best parts too of

00:36:33.120 ephesians 5 22 to 33 and i'm literally right now

00:36:36.380 like 50 000 words deep as you know in writing a book just about that one

00:36:41.160 sentence, basically husbands love your wives is like Christ, all the church. And in that passage,

00:36:47.180 the closer you look at it, the more the egalitarian's head explodes. Because not only does

00:36:55.360 Paul say that the, that the wife should submit to her husband in everything, he does it by

00:37:02.440 directly comparing it to the church's duty of submission to God, the son. So, so he, Paul's

00:37:10.220 like follow, follow the logic here. You're the bride of Christ. And like marriage is actually

00:37:14.380 to tell you a mystery from the beginning. This is what it was all about. It was about

00:37:17.740 the heavenly son who leaves the house of his father to win himself a bride. He lays down his

00:37:21.700 life for her. He rises from the dead, you know, and he's, he's gathering himself, this bride, 0.58

00:37:25.740 right? Marriage from the beginning, every marriage is a parable of this.

00:37:29.900 And so here's the implication. So just like the church is supposed to obey literally God,

00:37:36.120 god the son jesus christ and everything paul's like now follow me here so ladies you should 0.98

00:37:42.700 submit to your husbands and he's like i think they might not be hearing me correctly here

00:37:47.880 in everything which does that include social media in greek though it actually means all of

00:37:55.420 the thing it means everything i just use the worst pastor preaching joke of all time and i apologize

00:37:59.860 for it. But he's like so explicit. And my favorite part of the whole thing is that look up virtually

00:38:07.200 any sermon ever preached on the principle of submission to a husband, of a wife's submission

00:38:12.360 to her husband. And I think this would include probably every sermon I've ever preached. 0.62

00:38:18.040 All of the pastors will say somewhere in that sermon, now ladies, like obviously this doesn't

00:38:23.100 apply to if he tells you to sin. Don't submit to him. If your husband tells you, honey, beat the

00:38:30.560 kids or honey, like let's rob a bank or honey, you know, the budget's short. Why don't you go

00:38:36.000 and pull a pre-saved Nala, whatever her face is, you know, that's how we're going to pay the bills 1.00

00:38:41.360 this month. Obviously the wife should say, I have to obey God, not men. So I'm, I'm not going to do 1.00

00:38:45.940 that, I'm not going to obey you. That is actually a true asterisk. It's a true qualification. It is

00:38:55.060 correct. Paul does not give it in the passage. Paul knows that that is true. Paul's not unaware

00:39:03.620 of this. Paul is the one who gives us these principles throughout the corpus of his writing.

00:39:08.280 And yet Paul, he thought, and this is my suspicion. I think that Paul knew in the Holy

00:39:14.860 Spirit-inspiring Paul knew that we are really good at running to the exceptions. And he knew

00:39:19.920 that wives would be tempted to look at this command and start finding exceptions everywhere. 1.00

00:39:26.200 Be like, well, what that means is though, leave me when I'm in the mood to be led.

00:39:34.820 And so he's like, no, I'm just going to say the principle with no exceptions or nuance,

00:39:40.020 which is a lawful and licit thing to do.

00:39:42.620 You can state a principle that is true with none of the nuance or exceptions that could possibly be made in the statement that you make.

00:39:49.900 That is what Paul did in that passage.

00:39:52.660 That's what he did.

00:39:53.800 And what we love to do is take a principle like that and, I don't know, make 80, 90, 98, 97% of what we talk about the exceptions.

00:40:03.240 Yeah. 0.98

00:40:03.780 Instead of getting to the heart of the principle, which is like apparently it is good for Christian wives— 0.90

00:40:10.020 as one of the very few direct commands that God gives to married women.

00:40:14.440 There aren't that many in the Bible.

00:40:16.360 In the whole Bible, the Bible is not a book about marriage.

00:40:19.360 The Bible is a book about the creation, fall, redemption through Christ.

00:40:23.900 It's about salvation.

00:40:25.260 It's about God's, I think it's about God's glory and salvation through judgment.

00:40:30.460 Shout out James Hamilton, even though I don't think you like us.

00:40:33.280 But shout out anyway.

00:40:35.460 It's a good biblical theological book.

00:40:37.720 the Bible's not a handbook for marriage. And so it speaks to it because it's an essential,

00:40:43.800 it's a central part of being a person, but it doesn't give like exhaustive instruction on

00:40:48.620 marriage. Genuinely, it gives big foundational principles. This is what marriage is. This is

00:40:53.140 what a husband's for. This is what a wife is for. Here are his duties. Here are her duties. 1.00

00:40:57.880 It's a summary, a lot of it. And then we apply those principles to many situations in life.

00:41:04.440 And it's just funny to me that given that paucity of teaching, very small amount of teaching in the whole Bible on marriage, over and over and over again, when it directs instruction to the woman, what does it tell her? 0.78

00:41:17.920 Submit to your husband, obey him.

00:41:20.080 And let me clarify, Peter walks in.

00:41:22.160 He's like, Paul, you said that, but I just want to make sure they understand.

00:41:25.220 Ladies, even if your husband is not a Christian, submit to him. 0.92

00:41:30.340 And in fact, they might not be understanding this. 0.90

00:41:33.340 Do it quietly.

00:41:34.440 like win him without a word because again the bible gives instruction into weakness yeah and

00:41:41.940 so it recognized like god recognizes that a temptation of the woman particularly in her 0.69

00:41:47.040 call to submit and reverence and honor her husband is that she will want to nag him and

00:41:52.600 argue with him and manipulate him and all this stuff be insubmissive and so he says win him 0.80

00:41:58.980 without a word, even if he's not a Christian. And so it just, to me, it's so wild how disproportionate 0.58

00:42:05.540 we are that I can say in a clip that I, we didn't clip that one out and I wouldn't have shared it

00:42:11.360 like that without the context of the episode. Cause there, I think I could have been clearer

00:42:15.420 about exactly what I was and wasn't saying, but even given that it is wild to me that ostensibly 0.58

00:42:22.560 reformed patriarchal, even in complimentary, and certainly Christians would look at that clip and

00:42:28.080 be like not only like oh you know i get what principal brian's saying here maybe i wouldn't 0.58

00:42:32.460 have said it that way but they're like this is evil and he's probably going to hell yeah it is

00:42:41.200 interesting i i think there's other this rant brought to you by ghost energy ghost energy

00:42:46.080 not sponsored there's there's other things going on obviously like when when i see leftists dunking

00:42:51.520 on us yeah i i think okay yeah that's pretty normal um but i think we also have this there's

00:42:59.000 a lot of the reformed ghetto crab barrel stuff going on you're right so there were ladies who

00:43:03.320 were like yeah as a matter of fact my husband has told me not to listen to certain people 0.73

00:43:08.740 you and i'm like great great i've literally tweeted go search my profile ladies if your

00:43:15.600 husband says don't listen to brian then you know what you should do disobey no i'm just

00:43:20.420 don't listen to me i seriously like if your husband says don't listen to brian he's a

00:43:26.060 you know and then a series of apathets ladies submit to your husband don't listen genuinely

00:43:30.520 if you're if your husband says don't listen to bright hearth don't listen to king's hall 0.85

00:43:35.180 obey your husband pretty simple yeah uh one of the things brian i want to talk about is just this

00:43:43.580 um it's a broader principle of public engagement yeah uh because we we've had since this kind of

00:43:50.920 blew up and some other things uh you posted some stuff about you know hindus for example

00:43:57.100 i didn't um i stayed out of the fray yeah sure you did you were too busy making reaction videos 0.97

00:44:03.700 to very large black women get you get you mocked big black woman no that's what i call i'm gonna 1.00

00:44:11.980 do a react video yeah jamie write that down i'm gonna i'm gonna do that you had a chippewa for 0.94

00:44:17.540 that i don't little chippewa but i it might even come out before this episode so i should have

00:44:22.240 yeah and only the real ones will get it only the real ones uh but you you look at this and and we

00:44:29.980 had a lot of people who were saying to us not church members being upset but it was like hey

00:44:35.780 i'm getting a lot of blowback from outside the church yeah like my uncle or friends uncle

00:44:41.140 extended family and a lot of it is things like well i don't necessarily disagree with everything

00:44:48.180 that they're saying but why do they have to do it in that way why do they have to do it in a make a

00:44:52.640 public controversy kind of way um so i'm gonna let you respond i guess my the way that i kind

00:44:58.560 of explained it is uh if you look at the book of acts one of the things that paul is charged with

00:45:04.600 from his enemies is you're always making riots everywhere you go paul everywhere you go yeah

00:45:09.760 and part of what paul was doing was he was applying yes he wasn't just saying you know

00:45:15.320 christ is your redeemer turn to him in faith the end he was also saying things like therefore

00:45:21.480 building the these little silver statues you silversmiths you got a real problem demetrius

00:45:27.020 is going out of business yeah it affects the economic realities yeah and i think with the

00:45:31.860 female issue um you know and we've talked about this before but it affects economic reality

00:45:38.820 because a woman is making money or a woman has a big platform and her husband actually works for

00:45:44.920 her and so when you are saying by the way allie beth was commenting on that josh reel i saw that

00:45:51.520 did you see that i did shout out allie beth shout out huge fan of the show allie beth's

00:45:56.100 huge fan pump the brakes yes go home go i'm sorry yeah that's right that's why we got you but it's

00:46:02.960 not just it's not just enough to leave it in ethereal principle no but i think it's uh it's

00:46:11.160 a necessary thing you see throughout history where christians go out in the public sphere

00:46:14.900 yeah john the baptist goes out and he speaks to the political i saw john lovell actually bring

00:46:20.220 this point up where he's saying you know no john the baptist actually goes and he tells herod

00:46:25.940 you're in a sexually yeah immoral situation you need to repent of that you can't have your

00:46:33.000 brother's wife and so i could see a lot of we actually don't see this in the scripture but

00:46:38.900 today it would be the equivalent of like a bunch of the disciples are like man john is just so on

00:46:43.760 the nose like is he doing this for clicks is he i think his tone was off like honestly like why

00:46:50.400 didn't you talk more about human flourishing you're so right and it's like people will

00:46:57.080 immediately come back and they'll say yeah but paul was preaching the gospel eric paul's preaching

00:47:01.320 the gospel brian and i'll answer that in a second but funny thing is one of my checklist items

00:47:08.480 anytime we break out of our normal like because we're mainly talking to christians most of the

00:47:12.600 time we're actually attempt this is more discipleship than it is evangelism a lot of

00:47:16.580 stuff we do on the King's Hall and et cetera. It does evangelism too, but that's not its primary

00:47:20.440 intended function. So, but anytime this, we, we break out of containment and Martin Luther King

00:47:26.940 Jr.'s granddaughter is like Instagramming us or, you know, whoever else, I always think to myself

00:47:32.640 before the end of the day or week or whatever, have I clearly shared the gospel? Because a bunch

00:47:38.600 of people are paying attention for what, for, for ill purposes or not, they're paying attention.

00:47:43.440 So let me make sure I issue a call to believe in Christ, repent of your sin and be saved.

00:47:49.500 And so I did that this week, but I was looking for, I was looking for that post for some

00:47:53.800 reason and I was just, I couldn't find it.

00:47:55.280 So I was searching my timeline.

00:47:56.340 I was trying to like send it to myself or something.

00:47:59.760 And I found it was like the top posts that came up.

00:48:03.980 And so that one was new enough that an older post came up and it was one from four years

00:48:08.760 ago, 2022.

00:48:10.340 And it was a long thread.

00:48:11.840 Almost, it was weird because I don't remember doing it, but it was like almost point for

00:48:15.740 point.

00:48:16.100 It was the same thing.

00:48:16.760 It was just working through the gospel.

00:48:18.700 It was even the same like first setup.

00:48:20.620 Hey, a lot of people are on my page right now because they're all mad at me because

00:48:23.720 I said some stuff about Christian modesty and everyone's freaking out. 1.00

00:48:27.680 But just lest anybody miss the point, you're a sinner. 1.00

00:48:32.240 Christ died for your sins.

00:48:33.260 Believe in him.

00:48:33.720 Be saved.

00:48:34.680 And so I was going through and I noted like multiple points almost every time that we've

00:48:38.360 gone viral, I can say my own account, I've tried to immediately turn it and say, look, even more

00:48:46.360 important than the moral, political, whatever point I was making is, is the foundation of

00:48:50.280 everything. It's that you need to repent of your sin and trust in Christ. So people will say, you

00:48:54.760 know, Paul, it was because they were preaching the gospel. And I'd say, well, we, we are actually

00:48:58.640 doing that. And especially week in and week out in the context of our ministry at church,

00:49:04.660 which is different from the King's hall podcast. Yeah. Categorically different aims, like I said,

00:49:10.620 but the other thing I would say is that you're exactly right. That the riots, the hatred,

00:49:16.600 a lot of it. Sure. Some of it comes from non-Christians. A lot of it actually comes

00:49:21.560 from alleged and professed Christians. And that shows one of the reasons behind our strategy, 0.99

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00:49:32.800 That's a wise man should want to know his times. In my nation, in the place we live, in the time we live, we are not in the midst of a pre-Christian unreached people group like the Greeks and Romans. That was Paul's context. That is not our context.

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00:52:05.660 Our context is a nation that was formally, formerly and formerly, in my view, a Christian

00:52:12.940 nation that over the last few generations has been slow motion and then kind of increasingly

00:52:19.500 apostatizing from the Christian faith.

00:52:22.020 So we have a nation full of apostates and the sons of apostates who are deeply aware

00:52:26.820 of the Christian gospel and message, deeply aware of the biblical account.

00:52:30.400 If you ask most people in America, who do Christians believe Jesus is?

00:52:35.480 They'd be like, oh, he was, you know, he's supposedly the son of God who died on the cross for people's sins, right?

00:52:39.480 Most people in America would have an awareness of what the Christian message is already. 0.71

00:52:45.300 The context of our culture then, one of the things it needs is actually for Christians to evangelize apostates,

00:52:53.280 which means going back and saying, some of you think you're still Christians,

00:52:56.840 but you the way that you're living and the things you believe show that you are actually not you

00:53:01.160 don't believe god in fact you hate some of the most central things about god as he reveals himself

00:53:08.480 in his scriptures don't you think part of that for us is we are trying to point out that most people

00:53:15.540 and i think that's safe to say most evangelical american christians i would include a lot of like

00:53:21.820 roman catholics in this too actually but i would say probably the majority who claim to be christians

00:53:28.240 in america would say i'm a christian but the religion they actually believe in is the post

00:53:33.880 liberal order yeah it's liberalism and so that's why feminism because it's a it's one tentacle in

00:53:39.720 this egalitarian religion that's right and so what we end up doing is pointing to the tentacle and

00:53:46.400 saying this proves that the way that you're living is not a christian way of living you are

00:53:51.320 worshiping a different god yes and you're being discipled and catechized in the catechesis of

00:53:56.700 that different god which is liberalism and one of the the core foundational doctrines of liberal

00:54:01.680 liberalism is egalitarianism of all sorts economic gender etc so an interesting parallel for me

00:54:11.040 is the gideon story because god tells gideon i'm going to raise you up and you're going to defeat

00:54:17.600 uh the enemies of the lord yeah right you're gonna do this but the first thing he calls him

00:54:23.920 to do is burn the idol in his own town that's right and the first people that want to kill him

00:54:29.900 it's the israelites it's the israelites yes and so i think over and over that's kind of what we're

00:54:36.300 doing is we're burning a idol yeah of our own people yeah who kills who kills the prophets

00:54:43.560 Is it the Assyrians? 0.57

00:54:44.980 Is it the pagans? 0.92

00:54:46.880 No, it's the Israelites.

00:54:49.480 It's the, in terms of the visible covenant, it's the people of God.

00:54:55.660 It's kind of the interesting thing.

00:54:57.260 We've had some pushback, obviously, from the left and Antifa for a time.

00:55:04.760 You know, not really, it's not like organic, but, you know, there's enough enemies that the left hates us, right?

00:55:10.520 That's obvious.

00:55:11.080 Yeah.

00:55:11.360 but if you look at the last three to four years actually the fiercest most i want to destroy your

00:55:17.540 life people are other reformed christians not even just other christians reformed but like within one

00:55:23.940 of the most traditional allegedly conservative spheres in christendom right reformed christians

00:55:29.680 so i think that just like it's important to know that context yeah that uh we are doing you can

00:55:36.900 think of it like concentric circles like yes this stuff bleeds out and some you know what was the

00:55:42.040 the guy's name in the video that we watched josh yeah fence benson yeah benson okay so it bleeds

00:55:48.900 out in that culture but that's not first and foremost who we're trying to address we're

00:55:52.560 actually talking in the camp it bleeds out um i don't regret it i think it's important for those

00:55:58.060 people to be thinking through it as well yeah but it's just the nature of things that the people who

00:56:04.020 want to destroy you just you know you go to christ time too um it's the people who are actually

00:56:09.600 closest the prophet has no honor in his hometown they're the ones who are most upset yes and i

00:56:17.020 also think too this it does kind of color the political probably mostly a you know a subject

00:56:22.880 for a different podcast but as you look at the way things have lined up the last couple years

00:56:27.420 politically this is why i think it's it's partly a problem to cede political power to the people

00:56:35.440 who are like actually trying to prevent authentic biblical christianity from making inroads into the

00:56:41.340 culture you know what i mean yeah and it's funny too like we've seen this people say you guys don't

00:56:46.640 preach the gospel i shared this on x uh this morning but because of joel interviewing nick

00:56:53.180 the number of young Mormon men who have showed up at the church yeah I had like an hour-long

00:56:58.500 conversation yesterday with a guy after church and he was like tell me about justification by

00:57:04.700 faith and I went through the whole thing and he's like deeply moved by it and he was like

00:57:08.920 all my life I have believed that my works justify me before the Lord and he said you're telling me

00:57:16.520 that because of what christ did i can stand righteous before god and like i was almost in

00:57:22.940 tears yeah and he was like if that's true that is one of the most profound truths in the universe

00:57:28.600 you're like yes and he said to me he goes i mean if this is the most important thing in my life

00:57:35.520 if i'm not saved i will spend eternity in hell and all i could think of was like you know for

00:57:42.160 all the hate that joel has taken the the left and the neoconservative you know woke reich you know

00:57:49.660 the people crying woke reich all those people they they have anathematized that kind of young man

00:57:55.580 and and genuinely like the stuff that they accuse joel and us and all that of the the amount of

00:58:03.900 straw manning they have to do to try to sustain it is unbelievable like the charge that we hate

00:58:10.420 randomly hate other racial groups and that like we're full of bitterness and hatred toward you

00:58:17.020 know because because like christian nationalists say we believe our nation should be primarily it

00:58:23.160 should defend its borders it should be for itself we should seek the good of our neighbors here

00:58:26.320 that means not importing infinity immigrants and all those things we actually have a people

00:58:30.160 in a place and that's a good thing god created these natural loves this is all good and they're

00:58:33.480 like you must hate mexicans and you're like no i don't hate mexicans i don't hate somalians i

00:58:43.500 don't hate ganans i don't i like i love my wife i don't hate yours but i just am not gonna invite 0.93

00:58:52.400 her in my bedroom you know what i mean like i'm gonna buy my wife flowers but not your wife 0.80

00:58:57.580 thank you and right you should be like thank you brian and and you know the neil shenny says we're

00:59:04.340 like they are just full of racial hatred and you're like no we're not and in fact when these

00:59:11.400 they're kind of unbiased observers because they don't know all the insider baseball of this like

00:59:15.280 the non-christians they they see joel interviewing nick or another guy like it's so fun last week i

00:59:20.320 had lunch with a mormon who's been coming to church for a couple weeks now at refuge similar

00:59:24.920 thing. He found the King's Hall and he was like, wow, you know, the Mormon church absolutely folded 0.63

00:59:32.260 in my divorce and sided with my reviling wife. What? These guys aren't doing that. And he's like,

00:59:38.620 they're in Ogden. I'm going to, I'm going to drive down and see what it's about. So he's come

00:59:42.360 to church, same exact time period. I've had lunch with them, you know, text to them and we try to

00:59:47.760 talk to him about the gospel and all, you know, all this stuff. And also, you know, answers

00:59:51.920 questions about us and it's like none of these guys draw the conclusion that we hate somalians

00:59:58.020 and mexicans and indians and whomever else they're like no these guys are just they're like

01:00:01.880 kind of normal nationalists they just believe that america should have borders and stuff yeah

01:00:08.660 it kind of gets to maybe one of the last things we'll talk about but um especially for reform camp

01:00:14.940 and i understand some guys okay just look at the version of the 1689 that you copied from

01:00:19.700 westminster that's fine that's that's insider joke baseball you know that's right uh but if you look

01:00:25.760 at the shorter catechism and larger catechism really helpful actually on uh 9cv ninth commandment

01:00:31.600 violation so it's wild i was actually doing that this morning and because i was reading some of

01:00:36.720 the things that either crac or g3 style pastors have been saying about us yeah and i say just

01:00:42.920 apply the ninth commandment to this yeah and it is wild like i i i'm first of all full disclosure

01:00:50.120 i was also like wow i really actually need to be careful about the things that i say online

01:00:55.860 i know so true so drinking so but it's like you and me both like you don't want to and it lists

01:01:04.340 things like um even misrepresenting someone's position beliefs in order to destroy their

01:01:12.340 reputation that's a ninth commandment violation so the one particular thing that i want to get

01:01:17.560 to though is the number of times yeah people will just freely throw out false teacher trevor

01:01:23.980 sheets heretic tom buck tom some random stuffy presbyterian guy i can't remember his name because

01:01:29.180 it's kind of dutch sounding all this week and and what they're okay so you read the post and

01:01:34.560 they're like you're a false teacher i have to warn people about your camp whatever but what

01:01:38.700 they're really saying is I don't like these guys yeah when you actually poke through and you're

01:01:43.840 like tell me the false teaching yeah show me the false teaching and and a lot of times they will

01:01:48.700 to to their credit and also to their shame they will say well you believe that you know fill in

01:01:54.940 the blank this this view of Christian nationalism and easily you can say actually no one has argued

01:01:59.700 for that I don't believe that Stephen Wolfe doesn't believe that no magisterial reformer

01:02:04.680 believe that and then they and then they will say phil johnson style i know you believe it and you're

01:02:09.560 like you're like i just cannot believe it i cannot help you if i can't say what i actually believe

01:02:16.760 contra what you think i believe and you just accept it but don't you think that this is like

01:02:23.100 we should actually as christians i'm gonna go you know what i'm gonna do a brian go on record i'm

01:02:28.300 going on record i think we should care about ninth commandment violations eric is on record

01:02:33.620 pro ninth commandment I think we should uphold hey I'm gonna go one further I believe the 10

01:02:39.700 commandments are important here I stand all of them all 10 no no guys guys can't stop applauding

01:02:47.800 seriously my Venmo handle it's you know I'm just kidding but but seriously I'll put it in the

01:02:56.040 description so why why do you think it is such a problem though like especially as reformed

01:03:03.900 christian pastors i feel like this is one where we ought to be able to say to one another look

01:03:09.040 i don't like the view that they took on pat buchanan's book in world war ii history but

01:03:15.640 let me be honest here and by the way i want to shout out we have had pastors

01:03:20.580 and i really respect from for this even locally who have said i don't like you guys but i will

01:03:27.620 not lie about you i actually respect that yes i don't believe what you're saying i think it's

01:03:33.400 can be even even lead to bad things yes however i refuse to lie about we've even had local pastors

01:03:39.100 who don't like us who have said hey guys just so you know there's some christian reporters who are

01:03:44.060 digging around into your business and trying to find dirt on you and they reached out to me

01:03:48.880 and I told him I don't have any dirt on you guys because I don't and I'm not interested in that but 0.74

01:03:53.480 just so you know there's some Christian reporters who are going around trying to figure out nefarious 0.56

01:03:59.580 stuff about you and here's the funny thing the reporters can dig around because there's not

01:04:02.900 there's like the nefarious stuff it's like everything we say it all on the King's Hall

01:04:06.580 there's no hidden like secret compartment have you guys listened to the King's Hall have you

01:04:13.700 heard the stuff we have said on cameras well this is the running joke right like what we've joked

01:04:18.460 about like can you imagine having a non-account and you said to me the one time you were like

01:04:23.900 eric why do you why would you need an account you say these literally say them with your full

01:04:30.540 christian name that's right like you might as well put your social security in the bio at this point

01:04:36.060 because it's just it is it's so funny but no i do i'm with you i respect those guys and people who

01:04:43.220 take this tenor with us, they will find that we're quite reasonable. This particular guy,

01:04:49.100 I've backed him up so many times. So many times people say, hey, what do you think about

01:04:54.140 this pastor over here? I'm like, hey, here's why he's a godly man. He's been laboring for a long

01:04:58.800 time. I really respect him a lot. Now we disagree on a few things. He's done me the courtesy of

01:05:03.000 talking to me directly about them. He tries to limit public dunking on us or whatever, but

01:05:09.800 um you should respect that guy and and we've told our guys like our churchmen churchmen hey be

01:05:16.320 respectful be respectful of this local pastor and this local pastor and this local pastor

01:05:20.000 because yeah they're different from us like maybe some of them are uh reformed and don't love

01:05:26.020 everything we're doing and maybe some of them are evangely a little bit more and but but we want

01:05:31.360 insofar as it's up to us to be at peace with all men so let's and the thing is we have a category

01:05:36.000 for this where i think it's coming from though the false teacher stuff the 9cv stuff is that

01:05:42.800 it is so much easier for these guys in terms of their cognitive closure to just yeah label us as

01:05:51.340 not christians they're wolves they're whatever and then dismiss us that way because you don't

01:05:56.660 need to engage at that point with anything we actually say and it seems like a shortcut for 0.97

01:06:02.380 them because they go, I don't like these guys. And I see that the young men in my church,

01:06:06.080 and there are many, many pastors, by the way, who these same guys who are saying this about us,

01:06:11.800 young men in their church, listen to our show and think that we're correct on a lot of these

01:06:16.780 issues and that they're, they're not. Okay. So it would be way harder for those guys.

01:06:23.480 Phil Johnson just did the, the Stephen, the Christian nationalism sermon

01:06:26.660 clearly does not have an a single clue about what for example steven wolf teaches no on the subject

01:06:34.800 or like what most christian nationalists believe it is so also concerningly doesn't really seem

01:06:39.780 to care he doesn't want to because it's the second that he does the investigation

01:06:44.260 and starts to look into the positions he has to do one of two things he has to either say oh man

01:06:49.060 that's really reasonable and i think they're right and that is a huge problem because now

01:06:54.900 I can't be in the tribe I'm in. And I lose all of my standing that I've climbed this political

01:06:59.960 ladder within the church and the politics of it to get to this vaunted position. A lot of people

01:07:04.320 listen to me. And if I turncoat on my tribe, even convictionally, they're viewing it the way that

01:07:12.460 a reformed Baptist who goes, oh no, I think pedo baptism is biblical. It's that kind of thing for 0.95

01:07:17.540 them. And so they go, I not even, or, or they either have to adopt it or they have to say,

01:07:23.140 look i still don't agree with it but these guys aren't heretics and they're not saying all the

01:07:30.840 straw men stuff that other people are saying they're saying they're actually dare i say

01:07:36.740 reasonable yeah and i disagree with them still but they're reasonable so there's another category

01:07:43.520 in there which i know we're not very reasonable but you kind of painted the picture like those

01:07:47.500 are like the two reasonable positions but i think there's a third that people opt for knowing that

01:07:52.640 they can't convict you on heresy that like they know that shaky ground so they won't actually try

01:07:57.740 to adjudicate that what they will do is a longhouse tactic they will just try to destroy

01:08:03.260 your reputation publicly by insinuating so it will be something this is hypothetical so follow me

01:08:10.000 it may be hard to like grasp for like would that really happen in reality but hypothetical

01:08:13.860 it seems like what you're about to say is really going to be unlikely to happen yes so they will

01:08:18.760 say no i don't think you're a nazi i think you're doing revoice for nazis it's not that you're even

01:08:26.980 nazi adjacent you're just sympathetic to the people who are sympathetic to nazis oh okay and

01:08:34.160 then i'll just include your name in a blog post and i'll say nazi about 150 000 times 0.96

01:08:39.580 and then it will be clear to everyone that i think you're a nazi but then when you get

01:08:44.280 pressed on it he said no i never said i didn't really if you if you look back at it technically

01:08:52.620 speaking brian you're calling yourself a Nazi like i think it's more of that where a lot of

01:08:59.100 guys who are smarter will do this now going back to the main principle here when it comes to 9cv

01:09:06.060 and it comes to charges of heresy this has actually helped me because there are people

01:09:10.880 on the other side of the aisle with whom I disagree okay and people will ask me do you

01:09:18.600 think they're a heretic or a false teacher and I will actually run through this and I will say

01:09:23.300 has any court any church court found them to be a heretic has anybody ruled that the position

01:09:30.500 they believe is heretical yeah either the position that they believe or they themselves

01:09:34.600 Correct. And we say, no. Okay. Then you have another category that they get be put into

01:09:42.960 potentially where you can say, no, we just disagree. Yeah. There are other categories

01:09:47.620 than I agree with them on everything and literal heretic. There's actually daylight between those

01:09:52.240 two positions. It's insane. Correct. At least what's also interesting in a lot of these camps,

01:09:56.540 you actually do have formal heretics that you've supported.

01:09:59.360 there are actually formal positions that should be called heresy well it's like if you distinction

01:10:06.000 like if you deny the trinity yeah or you're a full preterist if yeah full preterism um actually a lot

01:10:12.360 of those issues aren't seen with as much severity as say like you know denying narratives from the

01:10:18.780 20th century yeah it's it's a friend enemy distinction correct kind of issue i want to

01:10:22.720 hear more about that what do you mean and why is that important in relation to this discussion

01:10:28.360 because to me, everything going on right now is tribal.

01:10:32.520 I think there's a lot of people who actually would agree with us

01:10:35.740 if their people had said what we said.

01:10:38.420 Yeah, I thought about that this week.

01:10:40.460 Do you know what I'm saying?

01:10:41.240 If James White had gone on even a rant,

01:10:44.480 because I was on a rant in the middle of the clip that went viral,

01:10:48.820 and I was so real for that.

01:10:50.540 But let's imagine that James Rant.

01:10:52.760 James Rant.

01:10:53.840 James White was on a rant about social media contagion

01:10:57.540 and the women are vulnerable to it and so we should supervise them and you know dads and

01:11:03.640 husbands have a particular duty and he went on this rant like and and i'm going to be honest

01:11:08.920 in both directions some of our guys would probably be mad at him let's be honest they'd find something

01:11:16.200 to be mad about because they don't like james white and then and then some like a lot of the

01:11:19.720 women and the the women and the men and the men who are kind of act like women on their side

01:11:24.720 they'd be like oh james is making such an important point and like you know a lot of

01:11:29.180 bright hearth listeners need to hear this because their husbands need to protect them from brian

01:11:33.600 suave and you know and it's just friend enemy distinction it's tribal where what's what's

01:11:39.700 happening is fundamentally not ecclesiastical it's political and in politics is all about

01:11:44.740 forming a coalition that has enough critical mass and power whether through voting or some

01:11:49.540 other political means in a different apparatus to accomplish a political end for example friends

01:11:54.040 money network whatever that it can accomplish some policy goal to do what to address its grievances

01:11:59.860 and you know obtain its goals so when you have when you understand that it just unlock and

01:12:05.580 everyone knows this it unlocks the key to tribal internet politics because it the the problem is

01:12:12.360 no longer about or the the question is no longer what did someone say it's who to which tribe do

01:12:16.880 they belong and i can pre-sort it into i hate it or not based on that before i have any other

01:12:21.940 evidence. And it's really tremendously hard to get out of this. We all do it. We're all

01:12:27.380 fundamentally not first rational creatures, but relational creatures and memetic creatures. And

01:12:32.280 there are a lot of impulses and loves and desires that are a tug of war with us all the time.

01:12:38.680 Some of them fleshly, some of them not, and just nature, things that God wove into the human spirit.

01:12:44.680 And we all have to be careful about this because it is a temptation for every single one of us,

01:12:49.720 myself included, Eric included, everybody. But once you understand that, you have the

01:12:55.480 responsibility then of being honest with yourself about what you're doing. And that can be difficult,

01:13:02.060 but like going through and saying, I really don't like this thing. Is it because I don't like the

01:13:07.460 person and the tribe they belong to and I consider them my enemy? Or is it because I actually think

01:13:11.700 they're wrong? And it's possible genuinely to do that calculus and correct yourself before it

01:13:19.420 gets out of your mouth and say I was about to try to dunk on this person you know what though a

01:13:22.520 little bit of charity and I can see that they're correct or to say no they're wrong this isn't

01:13:27.300 just tribalism I actually think this is important and I'm going to engage it publicly and that's

01:13:30.380 fine but so much of what's going on here it is just pre-rational political tribalism before it

01:13:38.640 is a substantive critique of my particular view of how men should protect and govern their wives

01:13:45.780 and daughters when it comes to social media use because it's not really about again these women

01:13:51.200 are making t-shirts that say unsupervised women those same women if you a year ago were to ask 1.00

01:13:55.720 them like hey would you wear a shirt that said this they would assume a feminist made it and say 0.99

01:13:59.520 no these same women they be honest ladies a year ago if someone said hey would you wear this shirt 1.00

01:14:05.660 it says unsupervised women who do you think made this shirt and what do you think it's saying and 1.00

01:14:10.500 they would go oh that's a feminist thing they're talking about how i don't need no man and whatnot 1.00

01:14:15.340 i would never wear that shirt and some of those same women who i know would give that answer in 1.00

01:14:20.400 that situation literally are the ones making the shirt and like oh we're gonna buy it you know

01:14:26.020 where's the link to the drop ship you know and and like i get it it's tribalism i get it yeah

01:14:32.420 it's none of us are immune to it yeah part of it is and i think you're really good at this by the

01:14:37.860 way oh thanks eric i don't even know what you're about to say you could say like getting fat which

01:14:41.560 would also be true um i am really good at that well yeah but that's not what i was gonna say

01:14:46.940 um yeah we can all have this instinct where it's like i want to dunk on this person

01:14:51.000 but this might actually surprise people um obviously joel is our friend yeah there's so

01:14:58.500 many things i run by joel i was like hey what do you think about this he's like actually wildly

01:15:02.660 fair with his opponents yeah he will say uh well you have to understand where they're coming from

01:15:07.900 But you do this as well.

01:15:11.140 I'm not going to say that my instinct isn't that.

01:15:15.320 I'm sure it's been that at least once.

01:15:16.620 I drive my friends nuts with this, by the way.

01:15:18.960 It actually is insufferable.

01:15:20.180 But it is actually a good principle of fairness.

01:15:23.160 I was thinking this the other day.

01:15:24.460 I had retweeted something that Steve Dace had said about immigration.

01:15:28.620 Yeah.

01:15:29.100 And, you know, if you follow the tribal lines, it's like, yeah, we're not aligned on a lot of issues.

01:15:35.280 Okay.

01:15:35.720 but i it was like a self-discipline thing where i actually retweeted it and i was like steve is

01:15:41.980 right yeah like he's actually right because we probably agree about 90 of stuff yeah he's he's

01:15:47.700 correct on this point and and what i don't want to do is just be so tribal and this is where i

01:15:53.760 think he would probably agree i don't want to be so tribal that i find myself disagreeing with

01:15:59.360 things that i actually in another context would say are true so i don't want to basically i don't

01:16:04.620 want to lie about reality yeah um i don't want to be in a position it's sort of like the any kind

01:16:10.440 of person derangement syndrome where you're like i saw joel webben drinking water you know who else

01:16:16.100 drank water hitler and then you're like water sucks i hate water i have thirst yeah and you're

01:16:24.080 like guys come on yeah like let's be reasonable here i know it's it is it's really hard to do

01:16:30.380 and there's a disposition element to this too that you have to be aware of your ditch because

01:16:34.200 i actually have to be aware that one of my dispositional qualities is that i will do that

01:16:39.120 to a fault yeah and fail to protect like and trust too much you you have to there has to be a line

01:16:47.400 where you say this person is actually trying to harm me no they really are they're trying to harm

01:16:51.240 me and if i keep giving them the benefit of the doubt i'm actually going to let them harm not just

01:16:55.560 me but people i have responsibilities to yeah so i actually have to be aware of that as a if i'm

01:17:02.000 going to err it might be in that direction but that like I genuinely do have that instinct and

01:17:07.680 one of the reasons that it's that I have that instinct I think is because I've been on the

01:17:12.960 other side of it so many times where people will say they'll come to me and say you know my cousin

01:17:18.940 or you know whoever someone I ran into a church at another church said that you believe this

01:17:23.020 and I'll be like what I don't believe that at all like that's not even in the same universe

01:17:28.080 is something I believe and it'll be like, I'm telling you guys, I have heard Brian Sauve

01:17:33.580 believes fill in the blank with some of the wildest stuff you can imagine. 1.00

01:17:38.160 Sharia law, for example, shout out Aisha. 1.00

01:17:43.080 That was fun.

01:17:45.120 And, and I, I'm going to go on record.

01:17:47.960 I don't like it when people do that to me.

01:17:51.720 And there's this rule in the Bible.

01:17:53.980 It is golden.

01:17:54.860 It is a golden rule.

01:17:55.980 And it says, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

01:18:01.140 And so legitimately, a lot of the time I have this little voice in my head.

01:18:04.400 I like to believe it's the Holy Spirit.

01:18:05.980 And I'll be about to say something about someone and then I'll say, are you sure that's true?

01:18:12.760 Let's make sure it's true because you know. 0.99

01:18:15.780 And then the other thing is, let's say that someone is being stupid or I think they're wrong. 0.98

01:18:20.940 I do think all the time, legitimately, I have this thought. 0.99

01:18:23.520 I have this thought often during the confession of sin on Sundays.

01:18:29.360 Like at the same time, I know they're wrong.

01:18:32.940 And I actually even think they're sinning,

01:18:34.520 but Christ has forgiven me for all of my sins.

01:18:40.980 In, in the Bible, it says, therefore you, you know,

01:18:43.880 as the Lord has forgiven you, you also must forgive.

01:18:48.640 And there are all sorts of nuances to how the transaction of forgiveness

01:18:53.200 works with an unrepentant person who continues to sin against you. But what I'd want to prevent

01:19:00.540 in my own heart is I do not want to get warped into this ball of envy and bitterness and rage

01:19:05.800 and where all of my opponents are basically Satan. Because the reality is within this thing

01:19:11.920 we're talking about, since it's fundamentally politics, and I believe it is, one of the things

01:19:16.800 that means is that a lot of my enemies, even people have made themselves my enemies that I

01:19:21.440 don't want to be enemies with. A lot of them are Christians. So politically speaking, when it comes 1.00

01:19:27.060 to this political maneuvering, they are acting as my enemy. And sometimes I have to do things to

01:19:32.400 protect myself or answer their charges or whatever. And I'm not going to agree with them about a lot

01:19:36.640 of this. But I have this category in my mind where I'm like, it is possible because this is political

01:19:42.000 for them to be not my enemy. Absolutely. In the most important thing, which is that they're in

01:19:47.180 christ and be functioning as my enemy in a political sense in this conversation and i can't

01:19:53.480 control that all the time who responds to what how yeah but i can control me and i cannot as much as

01:20:02.080 possible i can try not to walk over a line where i'm actually sinning and now i'm like i've i'm i'm

01:20:10.440 i'm not doing my duty before christ yeah i think not being consumed by it i always think of you

01:20:15.460 know paul will echo this uh but christ's words he's he's being crucified and to the people who

01:20:21.940 did it he says you know father forgive them for they know not what they do yes so i think and that

01:20:27.540 doesn't mean that you're not politically wise no and savvy but you're also not eaten up by this

01:20:33.720 like soul destroying anger or frustration or we're not going to make our whole you know the work that

01:20:40.400 we do whether that's ministry or new christendom yeah we're not going to make it all about like

01:20:44.300 counter signaling people? No. Cause that would be horrible. No, it'd be miserable. And it's like,

01:20:48.880 it's one of those things where I just, I want to be able to give an account. And even sometimes I

01:20:56.440 will block people quickly on social media as a mercy to them. And to me to just be like, I know

01:21:04.120 that based on the way you're talking, you will never be persuaded by anything I say and probably

01:21:08.440 hate me no matter what. So as a courtesy to you, I'm not even going to try to argue with you.

01:21:12.420 i'm just gonna block you yeah and then i'm gonna i'm gonna you know the lord bless you i'm gonna 0.90

01:21:17.720 block you then pretend like you don't exist not because i hate you even but because as a mercy 0.77

01:21:22.820 brian speaking of mercy we have the longhouse book which is in pre-order now uh seamless tie-in

01:21:29.240 seamless tie-in uh it's going to be a mercy because it will maybe it'll enrage your mother-in-law

01:21:35.740 you have a different definition of the word mercy than i do but this can be a good thing because it

01:21:41.600 brings about a conversation yes that is good and so ultimately brings true unity exactly

01:21:50.140 and so i think uh this is a perfect time for people you can get 10 off if you pre-order now

01:21:56.040 also yeah we are literally going to get carpal tunnel i am regretting this decision more by the

01:22:02.400 day originally we were like we'll sign the first thousand copies because honestly you know how many

01:22:09.840 people are going well we're i think we're past 2000 what happened is that we're like we'll sign

01:22:14.920 the first thousand copies then we sent out an email we were like we're almost there guys we're

01:22:18.140 about to break a thousand way quicker than we thought if you want to sign copy make sure you

01:22:22.900 get it and then that was the weekend and we didn't update it and then by monday morning it was like

01:22:29.680 1400 and i felt bad because all those people probably thought like they're gonna sign it

01:22:34.500 so then i i says to myself i says this is for the listener we have some brave listeners we'll sign

01:22:41.500 them all we have some people asking for a gifted book yeah to be sent to a loved one a pastor

01:22:48.900 a mother-in-law with the request of like can nobody know who it's from yes someone emailed

01:22:55.960 they're like i'm realizing now that i got this for this other person but like they actually

01:23:01.520 might hate you so can you just not say it was from me and we're like we got you fam if anybody

01:23:06.600 wants to send a copy to sheila gregor if anybody wants to send a copy to i don't know uh josh

01:23:12.560 benson it was actually kind of awkward because ally best husband ordered a copy for her no he

01:23:18.920 didn't he didn't no he did he did not i don't even know his name who knows yeah mr ally but

01:23:24.680 this is the time uh mr i don't know his name i don't know uh this is the time to pre-order

01:23:31.100 i think genuinely is in the words of anthony deal yeah this could be like a generation changing

01:23:37.480 book he actually did say that and we were like we now thank you but i don't know man that's

01:23:45.160 that's a pretty big that's a pretty big claim so let the listener decide let's either let the

01:23:51.200 reader decide which you can't be unless you pre-order the book and get the book and then

01:23:55.900 read the book and then buy a copy for everybody in your contacts list that's at the longhousebook.com

01:24:01.900 it's gonna be which is such a cool website by the way yeah it's just a pleasure to go to that

01:24:05.740 website because our our design team top notch they cooked uh i also want to give a shout out

01:24:11.940 to mr joe garrisee yeah and backwards planning financial a lot of you i think it's been

01:24:17.220 circulating we have a social media clip that we shared from some of our channels joe is one of

01:24:23.340 those 10 toes down stand on the truth kind of guys like if he loses his whole book of business

01:24:28.680 and has to restart from scratch which he did which he did because he refused to distance himself from 0.83

01:24:34.120 us during like one of the easiest times on earth to distance yourself from us the black culture

01:24:38.820 clip controversy another controversy that eric got us into yet again what was i thinking you are

01:24:45.060 sometimes you know what eric you need to you need to be more nuanced and reasonable yeah i'm on i

01:24:50.880 am on i'm just kidding i'm not gonna do it again exactly yeah um so shout out to joe yeah if you're

01:24:57.080 looking for wealth management yeah uh joe is really your guy a lot of us use him and he's done a lot

01:25:03.000 of great work yes uh really simplified a process that i know nothing about yep um and there's just

01:25:09.500 so much wealth, including treasure in heaven. Does he manage treasure in heaven? No, I don't

01:25:15.400 think he does that. He could give you some good pointers. He could give you pointers on how to get

01:25:18.780 it. Yeah. Treasure in heaven. But yeah, he does. He does a great job helping people basically plan

01:25:25.080 their financial life from today through what goals do you want to hit in life and how should

01:25:29.720 what goals should you have as a Christian? Number one. And how can we achieve those?

01:25:34.120 Yeah, I think that's one of the cool things, too, with Joe is that like he's taking the

01:25:37.900 worldview that we've talked about with generational wealth building and investing in your generations

01:25:42.980 and actually encouraging people, Hey, maybe you could spend some of that cash to invest in your

01:25:48.800 people while you're still alive. Yes. And so I love that about him. Uh, really encouraged by

01:25:53.280 the work he's doing. And it was cool to see too. Like a lot of people have, they heard his story

01:25:58.840 and they're, you know, talking with Joe. Yep. And by the way, like the feedback has been great.

01:26:04.180 people are like, Joe's doing a great job better than what I could do myself or previous heard

01:26:08.500 previous help. Great feedback. So yeah, check that out. You'll find a link in the show notes,

01:26:13.020 uh, as well as the long house book. Yeah. Um, it's going to be, it's going to be excited for

01:26:18.300 people to read it in all seriousness. It's, I believe it's an important subject obviously,

01:26:23.560 but also I don't believe there's another book out there that does what this book does,

01:26:28.400 which a lot of the time there's already 10 versions of a book by the time it comes out

01:26:32.960 in many, you know, in Christian spaces, what, what possibly could you cover that hasn't been

01:26:37.060 covered before? And there's like different reasons to write a book on something that's

01:26:40.980 been covered before, of course, but this subject has not been handled from this angle. People have

01:26:48.240 written parts of the history. People have even brought to light some of the, some of the unpleasant

01:26:54.360 facts about feminism and what it's done. But even those, most people are coming from a perspective

01:26:59.040 where they actually love feminism yeah and and so they're defending it they're like no this is bad

01:27:04.100 but like maybe we just men just need to fundamentally change and become more ladylike or

01:27:07.600 whatever and believe it or not that is not the approach that we take no it is not which i know

01:27:14.140 is going to be a shock to a lot of people but that's not the approach we take but that's what

01:27:18.260 we do we shock people and also it does talk about the jews but only some only in one part

01:27:27.700 you probably got that out

01:27:30.640 trying to get us banned yeah i'm sorry my bad uh well let's just say this it talks about them

01:27:37.640 in a light that is not necessarily negative but probably we note a lot of their accomplishments

01:27:44.660 yeah yeah we note a lot of the high performing we talk about impact that they've had where their

01:27:50.600 high-performing impact has brought certain implications and all we do is all we do is

01:27:57.740 before you guys freak out we just agree with dennis prager known moderate and charlie kirk

01:28:02.700 and charlie kirk yeah we're just right down the middle yeah so brian it's been a great episode

01:28:08.060 i'm sure there will be more social media content from you it's going to be great uh if you haven't

01:28:15.160 checked it out yet you can go on my instagram yeah um we are you know are demons of gluttony 0.99

01:28:22.260 real and can they be cast out of fat black women you're gonna want to check that out this is a 0.97

01:28:28.120 deep dive i cackle like this is real journalism so there's there's real journalism content we do 0.98

01:28:33.640 we're like we're gonna talk we're gonna do a 45 minute cold open on the czar nicholas

01:28:37.040 and then there's like content where eric is just laughing at really overweight she's so fat it is

01:28:44.280 really funny you guys should go follow eric on instagram he's he's new to to the so welcome him

01:28:49.060 go follow him real eric khan is the handle yeah pretty sure follow me too if you haven't i mean

01:28:54.860 i've been around for a while but still but follow eric it's gonna be a good yeah there's a lot of

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The King's Hall - October 09, 2026

Unsupervised Women： How Social Media Stirs Mental Illness

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