The Matt Walsh Show - September 28, 2026


Ep. 1846 - The New ＂Primetime＂ Movie Is Evil Propaganda. Here's Why Hollywood Resents The Truth.

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Chris Hansen Lance Oppenheim Alex Rosen Patricia Conrad Lindsay Clancy Hanson Bill Conroy Joker Jeff Zucker Denny Chin Denny Chen Steve Shin Beams Dream Powder Connects Ontario Billy Myrick Jay Leno Weinstein Brittany Godspeed and 8 more
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00:00:27 standard message and iterates may apply. Chris Hansen's show To Catch a Predator went off the
00:00:32 air in 2007, nearly two decades ago. It was never replaced or rebooted for a primetime audience.
00:00:38 Outside of a fringe syndicated show, the entire concept disappeared from major networks afterward.
00:00:44 Now, the idea, setting up a decoy house, wiring it with cameras and luring predators inside so
00:00:50 they could be exposed and arrested, went from extremely profitable to verboten basically
00:00:56 overnight. If you want to watch a similar show today, you either need to subscribe to a niche
00:01:01 streaming service like True Blue or follow journalists like Alex Rosen, who, while they
00:01:05 do brave and important work, have a tenth of the budget and a tenth of the viewership and an even
00:01:10 smaller portion of the cultural impact of the old NBC production. And that's remarkable when you
00:01:16 think about it. At its peak, To Catch a Predator was pulling in more than 7 million viewers an
00:01:20 episode on average, with some episodes approaching 11 million viewers. Its ratings were consistently
00:01:27 high. And then after a phony scandal that we'll discuss in a moment, To Catch a Predator was
00:01:32 abruptly canceled, much like Cops was during the BLM craze. But it was not forgotten, especially 0.93
00:01:39 in the entertainment industry. The show left apparently a lasting impression among Hollywood
00:01:44 elites. A bit of a grudge, really, for reasons you could probably imagine. They never forgave
00:01:51 Chris Hansen for making the show. To Catch a Predator was the closest the industry came to
00:01:56 a Harvey Weinstein moment for the worst predators of all, the ones who target children. And that's
00:02:02 why just the past two years, there have been two big budget productions that have been designed
00:02:07 from the ground up to destroy Chris Hansen's legacy and the reputation of his show, which,
00:02:13 again, has not been on the air in nearly 20 years. The first hit job was a production streaming on
00:02:19 Paramount Plus called Predators. It's a documentary. And the more recent one, which is out now in
00:02:25 theaters, is the Robert Pattinson thriller called Primetime, which is directed by a guy named Lance
00:02:31 Oppenheim. Now, admittedly, from a purely strategic perspective, you do have to wonder, why are they
00:02:37 doing this now? I mean, why would Hollywood and an up-and-coming director like Lance Oppenheim
00:02:42 suddenly be so transfixed by Chris Hansen, who's now 67 years old and far removed from any kind of
00:02:50 mainstream celebrity or influence? Why are they so hell-bent on portraying him as a villain along
00:02:56 with everyone else who's followed in his footsteps? I mean, the timing seems almost random, even if
00:03:02 you know why these people despise him. I have some theories about what's going on here, but
00:03:07 But first, I want to talk at some length about these two productions, these two films.
00:03:13 We're going to start with Primetime, which is truly a breathtaking film in terms of its abject dishonesty.
00:03:21 In case you haven't seen it, here's part of the most recent trailer to give you an idea of how they're portraying Chris Hansen.
00:03:28 Watch.
00:03:30 Get out of here.
00:03:31 I want something that matters. 1.00
00:03:33 No more bottom feeders.
00:03:35 All on a whale. 0.51
00:03:37 Don't you ever just want to bleed them?
00:03:43 Maybe what I do is a little worse.
00:03:47 This could be our greatest segment yet. 0.97
00:03:52 We're going to hell. 0.95
00:03:54 Don't do that. 0.99
00:03:55 They come to us.
00:03:56 I don't understand what I'm doing here.
00:03:58 What you're doing is more than acting.
00:04:01 You're cleansing the world of an ancient evil.
00:04:04 let's get just a predator don't give you permission to do this you have no plan
00:04:11 i have to put him on television you're gonna be so proud of me i don't want to be a bad person
00:04:16 your definition of bad and my definition of bad are vastly different
00:04:21 what would have happened now by the way that shot of him uh if you're if you're watching the
00:04:31 the video podcast the shot of him shirtless like hunched over um is right out of the of the you know
00:04:37 the joker film with joaquin phoenix so they're not exactly being subtle about how they're portraying
00:04:42 chris hansen in this movie and it was obvious from the trailer the film would present hansen as a
00:04:48 you know tortured uh unstable figure which is why he's staring ahead into psychedelic monochromatic
00:04:56 red lighting at one point as if he's having a mental breakdown he even jokes with a guy on the
00:05:01 plane about how he enjoys torturing predators rather than simply killing them. He's screaming. 0.77
00:05:06 He's looking insane. He's out in the rain. He got the Joker shot. He has a savior complex.
00:05:11 He's freaking out his wife. And all this comes through in a two-minute long trailer.
00:05:16 So what's the message of the actual film? Which you might be interested in as I was in this
00:05:22 question, because by itself, the trailer made no sense. And as far as I knew, Hanson wasn't known
00:05:28 to be a lunatic. He certainly didn't come across on his show as someone who was prone to emotional
00:05:33 outbursts or even hostility. Even when he was in objectively dangerous situations, staging face-to-face
00:05:40 meetings with complete strangers who were in the process of committing serious crimes against
00:05:44 children, he was always very calm, actually. To provide some contrast with the trailer you just
00:05:51 saw, here's an example of one of his sting operations, just to refresh your memory. This
00:05:56 is from riverside california california and this is one of the shows where he provides commentary
00:06:02 from the studio after the fact which he didn't always do um i think this was early on in the
00:06:08 show this is how they did it but here it is watch i'm really like a conscious person i mean look at
00:06:13 me i'm so dirty like i know well i'll tell you what's dirty is this conversation you know what
00:06:18 yeah i know i i really should not have done this i felt absolutely yes don't take my blank out of 0.98
00:06:23 your mouth till I'm done. Yeah, I know. Look, if somebody's telling me in the interview that
00:06:28 they've got an addiction or a compulsion that led them to this situation, you have to say,
00:06:35 look, you're an adult. Having recognized that, perhaps you should have done something about it
00:06:39 before you ended up walking into this house. Yeah, I was not fantasizing about a 13-year-old,
00:06:43 for God's sake. You know, that it's not right to do everything. Would you ever have two guys all
00:06:48 over you uh it's just like i said fantasy type what would you do with two yeah it's just wanting
00:06:54 to hear and now do you know that it's illegal i figured it had the parent no i didn't know that
00:06:59 it was illegal to send this kind of material i did not know that
00:07:01 so he doesn't exactly come across like a raving lunatic here and um all of the clips from the
00:07:09 show are like this but this footage in particular is important because it shows why hollywood
00:07:14 really, truly hated this show. It wasn't just that he exposed predators, which, of course,
00:07:21 bothers the predators in Hollywood, although that was a very big part of it. He was also rejecting
00:07:27 the entire mental health victimization framework that's now so fundamental to the left's ideology.
00:07:33 To an audience of millions of people in primetime, he was explicitly saying that even if you have some
00:07:39 mental health diagnosis or an addiction or whatever, it does not give you a license to
00:07:45 commit unspeakable acts of evil. Sorry about your sob story, but that's your problem.
00:07:52 There's a limit to what society has to tolerate. Once you start victimizing the rest of society,
00:07:58 once you start victimizing other people, especially children, then there's no longer
00:08:02 any room for sympathy. Your sob story is then irrelevant. At a certain point, people have to
00:08:09 be responsible for their own actions. Now, if this approach had taken hold in America,
00:08:15 it goes without saying that, for example, Lindsay Clancy would have been convicted of first-degree
00:08:20 murder in about five seconds. Her case would not have made the national news, or at least it would
00:08:25 not have been a national controversy, because a controversy requires two coherent and opposing
00:08:31 sides. But we would have recognized that there's only one coherent side to the Clancy case. She's
00:08:37 evil scum and deserves the gas chamber. That's all there is to it or all there should have been 1.00
00:08:43 or would have been to it. And more to the point, if Chris Hansen's position had gone mainstream,
00:08:48 there's a chance that violent black criminals would actually have to serve meaningful prison 0.98
00:08:52 sentences instead of getting released immediately so they can stab a random white woman on the 1.00
00:08:56 train or sucker punch a random white woman walking down the sidewalk or stab police officers or 0.99
00:09:01 mow down a random white guy running in the street or rip off a random convenience store in 1.00
00:09:06 Minneapolis before resisting arrest. Instead, under the left's ethos, all of these criminals 0.98
00:09:11 were victims of circumstance, of systemic racism and oppression, and therefore none of them are
00:09:15 ever held accountable for anything. This is the way it goes. If you're in a preferred demographic
00:09:21 and you have a sob story, then you get off scot-free. But To Catch Predator rejected the
00:09:29 whole sob story thing entirely. The assumption going in with the show is that you're responsible
00:09:35 for your own actions. You initiated this conversation with someone you thought was a
00:09:39 child. You walked into this house thinking you were going to meet a child. And so that's on you.
00:09:47 You put one foot in front of the other and you walk through the door and that's on you.
00:09:52 So on the other hand, Hansen, in a very rational and calm manner, told viewers directly and
00:09:57 unapologetically that some crimes simply cannot be excused. Along with the investigators he was
00:10:04 working with. He documented all of his work exhaustively. There was never any allegation
00:10:10 that he fabricated evidence or provided any kind of, you know, illicit incentive for any of these
00:10:16 predators to show up to his decoy house or was misrepresenting, you know, why they were really
00:10:21 there or anything like that. So where exactly was the movie Primetime getting this idea that
00:10:30 Chris Hansen was losing his mind while he was producing To Catch a Predator? Why are there
00:10:36 these psychedelic, monochromatic red lights swirling around his head in the trailer? Why
00:10:42 is he acting like a nutcase in the rain? Why are they making him look literally like the Joker? 0.85
00:10:47 Lance Oppenheim provides two answers to these questions, and both of his answers are total
00:10:51 fiction to the point that Chris Hansen should sue the filmmakers and the studio for defamation.
00:10:57 I mean, this is character assassination to an unbelievable degree.
00:11:02 For starters, they claim that Hansen was worried about his ratings going down and he was under a lot of pressure as a result.
00:11:09 That's clearly not true. The show was always wildly popular throughout its entire run.
00:11:15 And more egregiously, in no uncertain terms, the film also asserts that Hansen was losing his mind because he was supposedly worried about an upcoming tabloid article, which was going to expose the fact that he was having an affair.
00:11:26 So we're told that the journalist was extremely rattled by the prospect of his infidelity coming to light.
00:11:33 And we're told that this caused immense strain in his marriage once his wife learned that the tabloid article was imminent.
00:11:39 There's even a scene where Hansen's producer watching him on air states he's off or something to that effect,
00:11:45 illustrating that he's rattled by the reporting on his affair and that it's affecting his work.
00:11:51 And then at the film's climactic moment, when Hansen's team is about to bust an assistant
00:11:55 district attorney by going to his house, Hansen is still fielding calls from his wife about his
00:12:00 infidelity. The implication, which is laid on really thick, is that Hansen has become so deranged
00:12:06 that he's now hunting down the predators at their own homes, as opposed to luring them to decoy
00:12:11 houses. And we're told that Hansen is now throwing caution to the wind and ignoring protocol.
00:12:17 All because, or at least in part because, he's furious about the reporting on this affair.
00:12:22 Well, the problem here, other than the fact that, you know, there's no moral equivalence
00:12:26 whatsoever, obviously, between Hanson's behavior and the Predator's, as much as the film would
00:12:31 like to pretend otherwise, but the problem is that the timeline is completely off, okay?
00:12:36 Hanson did not even meet this other woman until 2011, which is several years after his show went
00:12:41 off the air. In other words, there was no connection between Hansen's affair and his
00:12:48 behavior on the show, on set or off. Never mind the fact that, again, as much as I condemn adultery,
00:12:56 there is no comparison between child predators, on one hand, and a man in a sexual relationship
00:13:03 with an adult woman. I mean, frankly, I don't care how many mistresses Hansen had. I mean,
00:13:10 it's bad. He shouldn't have been doing that. But the work he was doing in exposing these predators
00:13:14 was still important, noble work. And in any event, there was certainly no connection between
00:13:21 Hansen's affair and the raid on the district attorney's house in 2006. So the whole premise,
00:13:27 the whole sort of theory behind the film, that Hansen was losing his mind at the height of his
00:13:31 popularity because his dark secrets were being exposed, is completely unequivocally wrong.
00:13:37 And before anyone says, oh, well, they're taking poetic license.
00:13:41 They're telling a story.
00:13:43 Yeah, well, they're telling a story about an actual guy who's currently living.
00:13:47 It's not like this is a historical figure from 200 years ago.
00:13:54 This is about currently alive people.
00:13:58 And they're inventing details that aren't true.
00:14:03 And they're doing it deliberately, too.
00:14:05 You know, there's a point to this deception. They're trying to sell a narrative that Hanson committed some egregious crime by taking his production crew and going to the home of Assistant District Attorney Bill Conrad in Terrell, Texas.
00:14:19 They had already established that Conrad was a predator with chat logs, but he was refusing to come to the decoy house.
00:14:27 So the police, who determined that he had already committed a crime with his chats, which he did, decided to go arrest him at his home.
00:14:36 Which police often do, by the way.
00:14:38 If you commit a crime, they'll go to your house to arrest you.
00:14:40 They'll often do that.
00:14:42 It's not that surprising.
00:14:44 And then here's what happened next.
00:14:46 This is from a Dateline broadcast in 2006.
00:14:50 Watch.
00:14:52 Murphy Police Chief Billy Myrick and his team make a plan to arrest Assistant District Attorney Bill Conrad.
00:14:59 He was caught chatting online with a perverted justice decoy posing as a 13-year-old boy.
00:15:06 We're the ones that are supposed to be setting the standards and making examples out of things and enforcing the law, and he's not doing that.
00:15:13 Just how graphic were the prosecutors' conversations?
00:15:16 Remember, he pretended to be this 19-year-old.
00:15:19 In his chat with the perverted justice decoy, 0.99
00:15:21 he talked about wanting to watch the boy masturbate 0.99
00:15:24 and holding each other and feeling all over. 0.99
00:15:27 He sent pornographic pictures.
00:15:29 Hmm, maybe we could take some pictures of ourselves.
00:15:32 He also had a phone conversation with this decoy, 0.97
00:15:35 from which he asked if they were going to have sex
00:15:38 and agreed to bring condoms.
00:15:41 He wants me to call him back.
00:15:42 But for some reason, Conrad abruptly stopped chatting, and perverted justice discovered he deleted his MySpace page.
00:15:50 Although he was invited by the decoy, the DA never showed up at our undercover house.
00:15:55 A sergeant who's known the prosecutor for more than 20 years knocks on the door.
00:16:02 We really hoped, as they knocked on the door, that Mr. Conrad would peer out through the peephole, through a window or whatever,
00:16:08 and he would see a face that he would recognize
00:16:10 and that he would easily open the door and talk
00:16:13 and then we could approach at that time and say,
00:16:16 this is why we're here.
00:16:19 But Conrad never comes to the door.
00:16:22 The police, however, can tell that he's inside.
00:16:25 They can see a TV and a computer are both on.
00:16:28 So it appeared as though someone was right there just a short while ago.
00:16:32 Maybe watching television, working computer at the same time.
00:16:35 Since police suspect he's inside, refusing to answer the door, the Terrell police call for backup.
00:16:41 We're on the phone now calling the attack team out to get them in line.
00:16:45 Okay.
00:16:46 We're apparently going to have a little bit of waiting period.
00:16:48 The officers line up in formation and head to the back of the house.
00:16:55 Then we hear a faint crack as the officers force their way in.
00:17:01 for almost five minutes we don't see or hear anything then lieutenant adena barber of the
00:17:10 murphy police department comes out and tells us what happened as they made entry they confronted
00:17:15 the suspect i believe he's in the hallway and he told them he wasn't going to hurt them
00:17:19 and then shot himself in the head and he had a pistol in his hand small caliber
00:17:23 It was a devastating tragedy, a shock to all of us when the 56-year-old, a man who has prosecuted criminals for more than two decades, shot himself.
00:17:34 Okay, so no rational person, certainly one that you would ever trust around your children
00:17:48 can watch that and feel any sympathy for the predator here. Okay, there's no universe in
00:17:57 which Chris Hansen or NBC or the police did anything wrong. This was not a case where they
00:18:04 were going after some random schizophrenic homeless guy who had no idea what he was writing or
00:18:10 whatever, you know, it was hallucinating. This was precisely the kind of case that all reasonable 0.63
00:18:16 people would agree is a matter of public interest. They caught a public official, a prosecutor no
00:18:21 less, engaging in serious criminal behavior against children. You can't have a predator
00:18:29 working in the DA's office. I mean, this is obvious. So obviously they were correct to go
00:18:35 to his home and execute the search warrant. What else were they supposed to do? I mean,
00:18:42 is the idea that he was trying to meet children online, but then he didn't show up? And so
00:18:49 what are you supposed to say? Oh, okay. Well, nevermind. He didn't come. So no harm, no foul.
00:18:55 just go about your job as a DA. We'll pretend that never happened.
00:19:02 No, to be attempting to solicit minors in the first place online is already a crime.
00:19:07 So, and a very serious one. And at that point, if the prosecutor chooses to, you know, off himself
00:19:14 as he did, rather than face accountability for his actions, that's his problem. You know,
00:19:21 it's not Chris Hansen's fault.
00:19:24 Personally,
00:19:24 I have no sympathy for the guy
00:19:26 and neither should you.
00:19:29 And if you do have sympathy for him,
00:19:30 I wouldn't go admitting that out loud
00:19:32 because it says something about you. 1.00
00:19:33 He was a total scumbag 1.00
00:19:35 and he was a coward 1.00
00:19:36 and he was selfish 1.00
00:19:36 and he died in the most cowardly 0.99
00:19:38 and selfish way a person can die. 0.87
00:19:41 You know,
00:19:41 the suicide is just one more mark
00:19:42 against him,
00:19:43 not against Chris Hansen.
00:19:47 It's just underscoring 1.00
00:19:48 what a scumbag he was. 1.00
00:19:51 But a child predator kills himself, and now we're supposed to feel sorry for him? No. That's you cowardly avoiding. Especially, again, as Chris Hansen points out, he's a prosecutor, so he's spent 20 years putting other people in prison for the crimes they committed. 1.00
00:20:13 and the moment that it's time for him to face the music
00:20:18 as he has, you know, forced all these other people 0.94
00:20:21 to face the music, he would rather just shoot himself. 1.00
00:20:25 Total coward, total scum, that's it. 1.00
00:20:29 Doesn't even deserve a, you know, 1.00
00:20:30 he should be just thrown in a pit, 0.99
00:20:33 don't even give him a gravestone, okay? 1.00
00:20:35 That's what he deserves.
00:20:37 And you have to be very morally confused
00:20:39 to come to any other conclusion.
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00:21:11 That's especially true because, as Chris Hansen notes, the DA was not simply guilty of soliciting a minor on the Internet, although by itself that should be a death penalty offense.
00:21:22 Detectives who searched the DA's computer went on to find evidence of, you know, unsurprisingly, other more serious crimes as well.
00:21:29 Watch.
00:21:30 So we're in the street. They go in.
00:21:35 Break down the door. He doesn't answer.
00:21:36 And they get to the hallway, and he's got a pistol pointing to his head.
00:21:40 Guys, I'm not going to hurt you. 0.70
00:21:42 And he shoots himself in the head. 0.93
00:21:44 He later dies. 0.89
00:21:45 There's a helicopter in the backyard.
00:21:47 It's horrible.
00:21:49 You never want to see anybody do that under any circumstances.
00:21:52 And it's jarring, and it's dark, and it's sad for a lot of reasons.
00:21:57 But why did he do it?
00:21:59 Ultimately, his sister sued NBC for millions and millions of dollars.
00:22:03 The case was settled.
00:22:04 Right.
00:22:04 for a lot of different reasons a settlement comes out of insurance policy you go to trial
00:22:09 which i'm confident we would have won it comes out of the news budget it ties up months and
00:22:14 months of my time i'm sad for the sister i truly am but the reason more likely than than him worried
00:22:22 about dateline being involved was that ultimately when they did the forensic examination of his
00:22:27 laptop they found multiple images of child porn and in a recent episode of my podcast predators
00:22:33 I've caught with Chris Hansen, we learn from one of the police officers, who then was working
00:22:37 for Murphy, that also what was found on that computer was evidence that helped convict
00:22:43 Conrad's boss, the DA of that county, for financial mismanagement of the office and
00:22:50 theft of money.
00:22:51 He ended up doing federal time.
00:22:53 He's the one who got on TV and criticized everybody involved in the investigation.
00:22:57 And, you know, and he then goes to federal prison?
00:23:03 Okay, so at this DA's office, you have a guy who's committing financial crimes, fraud, you have a fraudster, and you also have this child predator who not only was trying to meet a child, but had child pornography on his computer.
00:23:21 Again, that was guaranteed to be the case.
00:23:25 And, you know, that's a massive scandal that all came to light thanks to Chris Hansen, and yet he's the bad guy?
00:23:33 What?
00:23:36 Now, Primetime and Lance Oppenheim, they never bothered to mention the other crimes that this DA committed
00:23:41 for the same reason they spend the entire movie lying about Hansen's motivations.
00:23:45 Hollywood's goal is transparent.
00:23:47 They want to make it seem like Hansen was behaving recklessly when he investigated this DA,
00:23:51 so they made up a fake motive, his affair, which didn't actually happen for several years,
00:23:54 and his allegedly declining ratings, which were actually very good.
00:23:58 The point is to make sure that no one else investigates powerful people who are engaging in behavior like this.
00:24:03 If you do, if you bring down somebody important, they will defame you.
00:24:07 They'll make multiple big-budget movies in which they lie about you.
00:24:12 Oh, and as you just heard, they'll also sue you as well.
00:24:16 In that clip, Hanson mentions the settlement that NBC reached over this case,
00:24:19 which was truly one of the low points in this country's modern history. 0.99
00:24:22 To be very clear about what happened, this scumbag, worthless DA, 1.00
00:24:28 who the world is better now that he's dead, 1.00
00:24:30 Although I'd prefer if he was 0.97
00:24:33 Able to go to prison or better yet executed
00:24:35 But there's nothing
00:24:36 There's no reason to grieve the fact that he's no longer
00:24:39 On earth 0.54
00:24:39 It's better that he's dead 1.00
00:24:41 I'm glad he's dead 0.99
00:24:43 But he commits multiple serious felonies 0.94
00:24:47 Involving children
00:24:48 He then shoots himself
00:24:50 Instead of facing the consequences of his own actions 1.00
00:24:52 Because he's cowardly scum 1.00
00:24:54 And then the DA's family 1.00
00:24:56 Decides to sue for $100 million
00:24:58 And in the end 0.74
00:25:00 she extracts a massive settlement from NBC in the process. We can assume it was tens of millions of
00:25:05 dollars easily, although I don't think we know the exact amount. So she got enormously wealthy 0.98
00:25:10 because her brother was the absolute scum of the earth. And the people who exposed her brother, 0.99
00:25:17 meanwhile, have to shut down their show and pay millions of dollars. I mean, the more you think
00:25:21 about this case, the more you'll genuinely feel like you're losing your mind. You're going to feel
00:25:27 like they portray Chris Hansen in the movie, like you're going insane. I mean, it's easily
00:25:33 one of the greatest miscarriages of justice from a legal perspective in the history of television.
00:25:38 What happened is that a Clinton-appointed judge named Denny Chin refused to dismiss the lawsuit
00:25:43 on the grounds that NBC might have applied some kind of indirect pressure on the police to bring
00:25:48 a SWAT team to arrest the DA, which even if they had, so what? Okay. Now, the idea is that the
00:25:55 police wanted to put on a show for the cameras. That's the claim. And in doing so, they somehow
00:26:01 became responsible for this guy shooting himself. This is from an article that CBS published at the
00:26:05 time. Quote, U.S. District Judge Denny Chen said a jury might conclude that the network crossed the
00:26:11 line from responsible journalism to irresponsible and reckless intrusion into law enforcement. In
00:26:16 the lawsuit, Patricia Conrad said NBC steamrolled police to arrest her brother after telling police
00:26:20 he failed to show up at a sting operation 35 miles away. Chen said the lawsuit contained
00:26:24 sufficient facts to make it plausible that the suicide was foreseeable, that police had a duty
00:26:29 to protect Conrad from killing himself, that the officers at NBC acted with deliberate indifference.
00:26:35 In his ruling, Shin said that the network placed itself squarely in the middle of a police operation,
00:26:40 pushing the police to engage in tactics that were unnecessary and unwise, solely to generate more
00:26:45 dramatic footage for a television show. Shin wrote that a reasonable jury could find there was no
00:26:49 legitimate law enforcement need for a heavily armed SWAT team to extract a 56-year-old prosecutor
00:26:54 from his home when he was not accused of any actual violence and was not believed to have a
00:26:59 gun. A reasonable jury could find that by doing so, NBC created a substantial risk of suicide or
00:27:04 other harm and that it engaged in conduct so outrageous and extreme that no civilized society
00:27:08 should tolerate it, Chin said. In her lawsuit, Patricia Conrad claims a police officer at the
00:27:14 scene of the shooting told a Dateline producer, that'll make good TV. Well, we just watched the
00:27:21 relevant part of the Dateline episode. As you saw at first, the police did not bring a SWAT team to
00:27:25 arrest the DA. That only became necessary when he refused to come out of the house, creating a
00:27:30 barricade situation. At that point, they had reason to believe that if they walked into the house
00:27:35 without a ballistic shield and body armor, they might get shot because this guy was clearly
00:27:40 refusing to comply with their commands to exit the house. And secondly, as Hansen pointed out,
00:27:45 arresting him at his home was actually seen as the moderate humane option because the alternative
00:27:50 would be to make a big show of arresting him at the DA's office, which would have humiliated him
00:27:56 even more, and he would have deserved it. Then he'd have even more reason to kill himself 0.98
00:28:01 if we're taking their reasoning at face value. And keep in mind, the claim that they're not
00:28:10 making here. Okay. No one is even pretending that this guy was falsely accused. In fact,
00:28:18 no one's pretending that any of these guys were falsely accused. I mean, the way that you would
00:28:23 have a legitimate, serious critique of the show is if they claimed that someone was trying to
00:28:31 meet a child and they were just completely wrong. They got the wrong guy. Okay. Someone showed up
00:28:38 at the house because they're delivering a pizza. And next thing you know, their face is being
00:28:43 broadcast all over NBC as a child predator. And then that guy goes home and kills himself out of 0.87
00:28:49 shame from being, you know, falsely accused of something he never did. Okay, well, now you have
00:28:54 a case. That didn't happen, though. It didn't happen in this case. This guy was a child predator.
00:29:02 and they're not even pretending that he wasn't.
00:29:07 So there is no case or there shouldn't be.
00:29:09 But most importantly, even if you buy into all these arguments
00:29:11 and even if you believe that a cop said, you know, that'll make good TV,
00:29:15 the logic still falls apart when you realize that the presence of a SWAT team
00:29:18 and the statements of the officers after the fact
00:29:22 doesn't have any logical relationship to the question of whether or not
00:29:25 someone should or will kill himself.
00:29:28 I mean, these are two totally unrelated concepts. 0.88
00:29:30 If NBC wants more dramatic footage and the cops want to look really badass with their SWAT vans, then at most you can accuse them of being, what, you know, immature or something.
00:29:40 You could throw around the word unprofessional if you wanted to.
00:29:43 But it makes no sense to say that the police shouldn't bring a SWAT team to a criminal's house on the grounds that it might freak the suspect out and make him shoot himself.
00:29:51 And by the way, the fact that he shot himself is, if anything, after the fact justification for bringing the SWAT team.
00:29:59 he did have a gun and he was on the verge of doing something desperate and violent
00:30:06 and we know that because he shot himself with a gun i don't know how you could say that if a guy
00:30:12 you know refuses to leave and pulls out a gun and shoots himself that that somehow proves that
00:30:17 it was that you didn't need to have a SWAT team there that proves that you should have it it was
00:30:23 good you had a SWAT team so the whole thing is absurd on its face i mean the reason this
00:30:28 prosecutor was suicidal, had nothing to do with NBC or the SWAT team, had to do with the fact
00:30:33 that he had just been exposed as a predator and his entire life and career, which depended on
00:30:38 his reputation, were about to fall apart solely because of his own crimes and depravity.
00:30:43 That's the reason he shot himself. He was probably thinking to himself, oh no,
00:30:47 I'm about to go to jail. Okay. Prosecutors in jail don't fare very well. Child predators in
00:30:53 jail don't fare very well. What's going to happen to me? Checking both of those boxes. That's what
00:31:01 he was thinking to himself. And he made the decision that he's made and he's solely responsible
00:31:07 for that decision. Even if the police had gotten on the bullhorn and mocked him for being a
00:31:13 disgusting degenerate pervert, which they didn't do, but I wouldn't care if they did, they still 0.94
00:31:20 would not be liable in any way for the decisions that he made. And neither would NBC or Chris 0.98
00:31:26 Hansen for the simple reason that people are responsible for their own actions. That's kind
00:31:31 of the central message of To Catch a Predator. And that's why these people hate that show so much.
00:31:39 And the point of films like Primetime is to defame and destroy anyone who spreads that message.
00:31:46 There's a host of other fabricated details in this film as well, including the idea that Hansen's
00:31:50 producer demanded that the SWAT officers outfit their rifles with cameras for the raid on the DA,
00:31:55 which apparently didn't happen. There's a scene where a cop who's organizing the raid says
00:31:59 something like, let's get this Democrat DA or something, which makes it seem like a political
00:32:04 operation. Again, that didn't happen. They also have one of the decoy actors on the phone with
00:32:08 the DA during the raid, where he sings a song from the musical Rent over the phone to the DA,
00:32:13 which is also totally made up in the film the raid happens at night during a storm when in reality
00:32:20 it took place in broad daylight it's all designed to make the operation look as unprofessional and
00:32:24 cruel and just sort of nefarious as possible and obviously the fact that they have to lie
00:32:30 constantly about what actually happened is a pretty big clue that the operation was completely
00:32:34 legitimate it's also a sign that the demons who made this movie very clearly are sympathetic to
00:32:40 some of the worst people in society. There were many other malicious fabrications throughout the
00:32:46 film. For example, in the real show, Hanson and NBC partnered with a group called Perverted Justice,
00:32:52 which was staffed by people who were committed to the mission. But the film portrays Hanson as a
00:32:56 cunning trickster who whines and dines the decoy and inflates his ego and promises him that he'll
00:33:02 be a real actor one day, even when the decoy has to endure all kinds of psychological trauma 0.62
00:33:07 as a result of the show. Again, that's all fabricated. There's a ridiculous scene where
00:33:12 after Chris Hansen is told by NBC president Jeff Zucker, who bizarrely plays himself in the film,
00:33:19 tells that he'll be moving to primetime, which also didn't happen since the show was always in
00:33:23 primetime. Hansen goes home and forces his children to watch an episode of his show
00:33:27 while he brags to them about his new time slot, even as the kids are visibly disinterested in the
00:33:33 whole thing. And none of that happened. And not only that, in the scene, he shows his children,
00:33:40 it's extremely graphic and inappropriate. So they're portraying Hansen as this kind of weirdo
00:33:45 who doesn't care about his own children's innocence to try to make him a hypocrite here. 0.99
00:33:51 And it's all totally made up. Hansen spoke specifically about these scenes in a recent 0.74
00:33:55 interview watch the scenes of him dealing with you know stone phillips for instance ridiculous
00:34:03 never happened the scenes of him dealing with jeff zucker the head of nbc at sometimes during
00:34:08 this investigation period uh never happened zucker plays himself by the way yeah in the movie
00:34:15 but the conversation that the real jeff zucker being portrayed by jeff zucker has with robert
00:34:22 Pattinson playing Chris Hansen never happened never happened in all honesty what bothered me
00:34:27 most was it portrayed me as an aloof detached father to my sons which is so far from reality
00:34:35 and for them to do that really is just a cheap shot with no entertainment literary or benefit
00:34:46 to any viewer or society it's just mean-spirited untrue and unworthy of of the viewers time and
00:34:55 they didn't want to hear that chris hansen's a good guy they didn't want to hear that this work
00:34:59 is important this director had a dark image of what he wanted to do he wanted to create a horror
00:35:06 like film with interesting photography and and didn't want to hear anything else didn't want to
00:35:13 have his mind polluted by anything positive that this actually achieved over the last 22 years.
00:35:18 I bet it changed the way you look at Hollywood. It does.
00:35:24 Now, the way the film is structured for about the first half, Hansen is portrayed as this
00:35:28 ratings-obsessed narcissist. And then once his affair is exposed and his ratings supposedly
00:35:33 begin to slip, he convinces himself that he's really on some sort of a spiritual quest
00:35:37 to rid the world of evil.
00:35:40 There's a scene where Pattinson overacts
00:35:42 in a flamboyant fashion,
00:35:44 which you can see here,
00:35:46 and they kind of play it for laughs.
00:35:47 Again, the point is to portray him
00:35:49 as a highly unstable, unsympathetic, 0.83
00:35:52 kind of mentally deluded figure.
00:35:54 But if you actually watch the show
00:35:56 Chris Hansen made,
00:35:57 you'll find that over and over again,
00:35:58 he demonstrates extraordinary restraint,
00:36:01 even in some very difficult circumstances.
00:36:03 Here's one of them, watch.
00:36:04 yeah looks like he's gonna park on the street can you hear me though he gets out and goes to the
00:36:13 rear passenger side we think maybe he's gonna get beer pizza stuff that we see these guys bring all
00:36:18 the time instead he grabs the hand of his five-year-old son and leads him out of the car
00:36:24 and up the driveway and i hear frag say oh no he brought his son with him he brought his son with
00:36:31 He's got his child with him.
00:36:34 Apparently, the mother of the child, his wife, was working that day.
00:36:38 He was in charge of the child and figured he'd just bring him along.
00:36:42 And there was a collective gasp that you could hear in the house.
00:36:47 He's going up to the front door and he has his child with him.
00:36:50 Go on to the back. The store doesn't open.
00:36:54 He's one of these guys who had a very short online chat,
00:36:58 But then on the phone is graphic about what he wants to do.
00:37:02 And he has this conversation with Del, who's posing as the 14-year-old boy.
00:37:07 Making the turn, coming in the back door, coming through, walking into the living room, holler up.
00:37:16 And so I'm thinking, all right, how do I handle this?
00:37:19 And so he comes in, he's got the kid by the hand, and I walk out, and he's startled.
00:37:25 I've got to tell you something.
00:37:27 And I'm going to tell you just straight up right now.
00:37:30 I'm Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC.
00:37:33 We're doing a story on adults eating children.
00:37:38 And since you have your child here, I'm not going to pursue this.
00:37:43 But I think you know what you were doing here, don't you?
00:37:48 Take a boy out to lunch you met on the Internet.
00:37:52 My point is, because your child is here,
00:37:55 I think it'd be best if you just went ahead and left.
00:37:57 Yeah, you're right.
00:37:58 And then we're going to do this, you know.
00:38:01 And, of course, Frag is talking to the police saying, you know,
00:38:04 this has got to be a different sort of arrest.
00:38:07 Rob, we're going to send this guy out.
00:38:08 We're not going to interview him because he got his kid.
00:38:11 Sir, right there.
00:38:12 You come here.
00:38:13 You come here.
00:38:14 Let go of the child.
00:38:15 You're right. 0.99
00:38:17 As gently as the female officer scooped him up,
00:38:21 he still had to see his father get arrested.
00:38:25 Please give me my son, please.
00:38:31 Now, keep in mind that this is the kind of thing that they were exposing on this show,
00:38:38 and we're supposed to believe that Chris Hansen's the bad guy?
00:38:42 I mean, if the only thing the show ever did through all of its seasons,
00:38:45 if the only thing it ever did was just to catch that one guy,
00:38:52 then it would be worth it.
00:38:55 but of course it did a lot more than that. Now, if Chris Hansen were sort of demonically
00:39:02 obsessed with ratings, he could have let this whole thing play out, right? I mean,
00:39:07 he could have milked that situation much more than he did, but he recognized what a horrible
00:39:13 situation it was. And he also recognized that there was an action, not just a decoy,
00:39:19 there's an actual child here now in the situation. And so he shut the whole thing down immediately.
00:39:25 And most importantly, he helped the police arrest a man who was very clearly a danger to society and to children.
00:39:37 And that is heroic.
00:39:40 That's the kind of thing an honest movie about Hansen would celebrate. 0.90
00:39:44 Instead, in primetime, they have a scene where they bust some quadriplegic who we're supposed to feel sorry for. 0.91
00:39:50 I mean, it's embarrassingly obvious what these filmmakers were trying to do.
00:39:55 It's also strange at a fundamental level, which explains Chris Hansen's reaction the moment he left the theater.
00:40:01 Watch.
00:40:03 Chris, what did you think of it?
00:40:04 I don't know. It was so bizarre and so in and out of reality.
00:40:09 It's hard for me to, you know, obviously I'm not objective because the character is, you know, me.
00:40:14 but it was so detached from reality or anything I've ever experienced then or now doing the
00:40:19 investigations. I just think it's, I'm not sure what the point of it was.
00:40:24 You know, if you want to make the case that Hanson's personal motives aren't entirely pure
00:40:30 and that he might've made some mistakes in the process of making the show, you know, fine. I'm
00:40:36 open to the possibility that he had, he had unfortunate character traits. You know, everyone
00:40:41 does. Most successful people who are obsessively committed to anything are going to have some parts
00:40:46 of their character and personality you can criticize. It comes with the territory. And
00:40:52 anybody who works in front of a camera for a living is susceptible to becoming vain and greedy
00:40:56 and self-obsessed. Anyone who doesn't work in front of the camera is also susceptible to those
00:41:02 things. That's called being a human. But when someone is doing good and noble work, as Chris
00:41:08 Hansen was, and then also turning that work into entertainment to be consumed by the masses.
00:41:15 Yeah, there's a natural tension that arises between those two goals, right? And trying to
00:41:23 do something good, but you're also making it into quote unquote content,
00:41:26 which doesn't make it evil, doesn't make it wrong, but there's a tension there. There's a tension.
00:41:32 And you can make an interesting film that explores that tension.
00:41:39 Maybe someone will make that film, but this is not it.
00:41:42 Because this is just a character assassination.
00:41:45 This is turning into a cartoon.
00:41:48 And the fact remains that these kinds of predators typically don't get harsh prison sentences if they get sent to prison at all.
00:41:56 You know, often they don't suffer any significant consequences, even when men like Alex Rosen managed to prove that they're guilty on camera. So the idea, as you know, one of the criticisms of Hanson is that you hear this a lot, you know, the idea that Hanson and other predator hunters should just let the cops handle everything doesn't really hold up.
00:42:15 Right. That's one of the one of the more plausible criticisms is that when you're not busy trying to make him out to be the Joker, a cartoon villain is, well, actually, you're you're he's interfering, actually, with our ability to catch these predators because of the because of everything that comes in, you know, comes with turning it into a television show.
00:42:36 that's just not the reality you know police departments were not sufficiently addressing
00:42:43 this problem still aren't that's not entirely their fault um but they weren't doing much of
00:42:48 anything in in many cases and even when they do do something and now you have you catch a predator
00:42:55 and you send them to the DA you send to the prosecutor and you put them now it's up to
00:42:59 prosecutors and judges and juries and we know how that process falls apart very often
00:43:03 So if Hansen comes in and gives the system an incentive to actually do their jobs, that's a good thing.
00:43:12 And, and this is the crucial point in my mind, if these predators are not going to be thrown in prison for life, and most of them will not be, right, whether they're caught on TV or not, you know, whether they're part of a televised sting operation or if they're caught some other way.
00:43:31 The vast majority are not going to be getting lengthy prison sentences.
00:43:36 They're just not.
00:43:39 Well, then at least if they're on the show, they could be publicly exposed and shamed.
00:43:45 And for some of them, like that DA, as we saw, the public exposure alone is a fate worse than death.
00:43:54 So again, what Hanson was doing was objectively noble and necessary and just.
00:44:00 This is also justice.
00:44:03 These people should be publicly exposed, publicly shamed,
00:44:08 so that even when they get their slap on the wrist, which is inevitable,
00:44:13 that's how it almost always works out, still, this is immortalized.
00:44:19 For as long as you live, millions of people have seen this
00:44:23 and have seen you for what you are.
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00:47:05 slash Walsh right now. That's shopbeam.com slash Walsh. And besides, of all the attention-seeking
00:47:13 fame whores on TV, and there are a lot of them to choose from, it's very revealing that Chris 0.98
00:47:19 Hansen is the guy the media and Hollywood have decided to single out. Why him? If you want to 0.99
00:47:26 tell the story about someone who was famous on TV 20 years ago or decades ago and exposed that
00:47:34 they were really some kind of monster behind the scenes, why is he the guy? As I mentioned earlier
00:47:41 though, it's not just primetime. There's a whole campaign to take down Hanson and everybody like
00:47:45 him. The documentary Predators, which is streaming on Paramount+, broadens the attack to the whole
00:47:50 predator-hunter genre, which has become popular online in recent years. It also features interviews
00:47:56 with Hanson's weepy decoys, two of whom now sympathize with the Predators, saying they
00:48:02 couldn't tell the difference between fantasy and reality. The documentary also features some of the
00:48:07 more sympathetic interrogation footage of the Predators. I mean, which is sympathetic in
00:48:12 compare, like relative to the other stuff that they show, although still not sympathetic at all.
00:48:18 But the stuff where they cry and, you know, apologize for what they did. This is footage
00:48:23 NBC didn't air. And the implication is that the show was deliberately offering a dishonest portrayal
00:48:28 of the Predators to dehumanize them. Of course, if you actually watch the show, you'll recall
00:48:32 plenty of examples where these people would break down, start apologizing. This was often
00:48:37 shown on camera. And some of them are depicted in primetime. The documentary Predators also
00:48:45 demonizes police officers for voluntarily wearing cameras during the production of some episodes of
00:48:50 To Catch a Predator, not for the DA raid, but other episodes. Even though pretty much every
00:48:55 police officer wears cameras today, they're called body cameras, and they're universally
00:48:59 recognized as a good thing or at least they were recognized as a good thing universally until the
00:49:04 left realized that it you know often portrays black criminals in an unflattering light but anyway
00:49:08 um there's also this sequence which tries to make the point that the show was presented as
00:49:14 entertainment rather than serious journalism watch also tonight something that has never
00:49:20 happened before police move in on a surprising suspect and there are deadly consequences
00:49:28 We all knew who he was.
00:49:29 Nobody anticipated the kind of outcome that resulted.
00:49:32 And I talked to Dateline's Chris Hansen about this tragic turn of events,
00:49:37 and this was his reaction to what unfolded that day.
00:49:40 Everybody on the scene would have rather have had Bill Conrad tell his side of the story
00:49:46 and, if necessary, have his day in court.
00:49:49 But that's not the choice he made.
00:49:52 No, it certainly wasn't.
00:49:54 Make sure you catch Dateline's next Predator Investigation Tuesday night.
00:49:58 And coming up, oops, she left it again. 0.97
00:50:01 Brittany's second stint in rehab is over and done with,
00:50:04 so can anyone or anything convince her to get the help she so desperately needs?
00:50:10 But first, Jay Leno shows us the latest hero to hit NBC's Must See FC.
00:50:16 It's coming up next.
00:50:19 I'm a hero!
00:50:21 I'm holding up!
00:50:25 Good God.
00:50:29 So that was supposedly their grave sin over at NBC.
00:50:32 Instead of treating this dead predator with the reverence that he supposedly deserved,
00:50:38 maybe with a moment of silence. 1.00
00:50:41 Let's have a moment of silence for the dead scumbag predator who shot himself. 1.00
00:50:46 What a tragedy. 0.99
00:50:48 Instead of doing that, they previewed a lighthearted Britney Spears segment instead.
00:50:51 Instead of pretending like they killed this guy 0.99
00:50:54 Who was the absolute scum of the earth 0.99
00:50:55 They had the audacity to talk about Britney Spears instead 0.99
00:50:58 Can you imagine?
00:51:01 Actually that's exactly what this guy deserves 0.60
00:51:03 This predator who killed himself 0.99
00:51:05 Deserves for his death to be treated like 0.99
00:51:07 Like a joke
00:51:09 Like his life had no meaning
00:51:11 He deserves that 0.99
00:51:12 As I said he should just be buried in a hole somewhere 0.99
00:51:16 Without a gravestone 0.99
00:51:17 That's what he deserves
00:51:18 now i'll concede that in some very extreme cases these predator hunter videos uh the ones that
00:51:27 spawned from chris hansen can verge into vigilantism and mob justice which is bad and
00:51:35 irresponsible largely because it jeopardizes and undermines the mission of exposing these guys
00:51:39 and hopefully having them prosecuted prosecuted predators include some of that kind of footage
00:51:44 as well. By and large, though, these videos are doing the same thing Chris Hansen did. Actually,
00:51:50 in some cases, they're producing even more remarkable footage. And just a few weeks ago,
00:51:55 Alex Rosen says he identified an alleged predator on the faculty at the University of Houston.
00:52:00 He was briefly put in a police car on camera in front of students who were visibly stunned. This
00:52:05 is from the local ABC station, quote, the University of Houston faculty member and graduate student
00:52:10 has been suspended after being confronted on campus by a child predator fighting group.
00:52:14 UH confirmed the suspension Thursday afternoon after Eyewitness News inquired about a
00:52:18 kick live stream showing him confessing to buying child porn and messaging minors
00:52:23 in a conversation with Alex Rosen on the group poaching predators.
00:52:28 Sources told Eyewitness News that UH police have turned the case over to HPD,
00:52:33 which will investigate the educator for online solicitation of a minor. HPD has yet to return
00:52:37 request for comment. He's a danger to society, Rosen told Eyewitness News. Now, I don't know
00:52:44 whether this professor is guilty or innocent. That'll be adjudicated in a court of law, as it
00:52:48 should be. But I do know that it's extremely disturbing to think about the number of teachers
00:52:53 who are actually predators. And there's a lot of them. And men like Alex Rosen, who are risking
00:52:59 their lives every day to conduct investigations like this, deserve enormous credit for what they
00:53:05 do. Instead, documentaries like Predators are demonizing them. They actually managed to
00:53:10 interview Chris Hansen for this documentary. And as you'd expect, they tried to make him look as
00:53:16 morally bankrupt as they possibly could. But as even The New Yorker admitted in a recent article,
00:53:21 it backfired. Hansen held his ground. This is footage from his interview at the end of the
00:53:26 documentary. Watch. People watching this may feel like you have something to answer for.
00:53:33 that this genre of TV you've helped make doesn't deter criminals
00:53:39 or get to the bottom of their crimes.
00:53:41 It just helps us enjoy it.
00:53:44 And I make documentaries too, so I'm not just coming after you here.
00:53:48 But we make TV and we point cameras at something
00:53:51 and the trauma continues.
00:53:53 What do you say to that?
00:53:56 I understand your point.
00:53:59 And it's a valid point.
00:54:00 But you don't know how many times someone has come up to me at a store, at a restaurant,
00:54:14 on the street, and said to me, thank you for what you do.
00:54:19 I was victimized by an adult when I was a child, traumatized in a way that has forced
00:54:27 me to be in therapy to this very day.
00:54:29 And every time you confront a predator, it makes me feel better.
00:54:35 I understand people saying, you push it too far.
00:54:41 You take a man at his worst and you put him on television.
00:54:49 You shame him.
00:54:51 I'm okay with that.
00:54:52 I'll take that criticism.
00:54:53 But for every human being who comes up to me to tell me their story about being a survivor,
00:54:59 This particular investigative franchise is for them.
00:55:05 And I'm okay with that.
00:55:07 And if that's my legacy, very comfortable.
00:55:13 So again, he's the exact opposite of how they want to portray him.
00:55:16 He concedes those critics of a valid point, in a sense.
00:55:19 It's true that many people who watch these kinds of shows at some level
00:55:23 are often trying to feel better about their own lives.
00:55:26 That's true. 0.79
00:55:27 It's one of the reasons people watch Cops and Live PD, which is now called On Patrol Live, post-BLM hysteria, or the reason people watch the 600-pound life about the really fat people on TLC, or intervention about people who have drug problems. 0.73
00:55:47 That is a motive that a lot of people might have in watching, a partial motive in watching some of this kind of stuff.
00:55:54 But the question is not, are some members of the audience getting the wrong message here?
00:56:01 At least that's not the interesting or important question.
00:56:05 You know, if that's the only issue we care about, then nothing would ever get done.
00:56:09 You're not responsible for what's going on in the minds and hearts of other people who are viewing what you're doing.
00:56:17 The real question is, does the content serve an important and morally righteous purpose?
00:56:22 And the answer to that question, in the case of nearly all of these kinds of videos, whether it's Chris Hansen or someone else, is a resounding yes.
00:56:35 Now, it's anyone's guess as to why Hollywood elites like Lance Oppenheim, seemingly out of nowhere, are now reviving their campaign against Hansen and the other predator hunters.
00:56:45 It could be related to the mass migration of the past decade, which has led to a new wave of abuse, most notably in the UK.
00:56:51 Certainly the left has a vested interest in running cover for this abuse and the people who commit it.
00:56:56 Alternatively, this could also be related to the rise of AI content that these predators are using.
00:57:01 Maybe we're seeing an effort to normalize this kind of behavior in the eyes of the public by demonizing anyone who objects to it.
00:57:09 Fundamentally, though, it's clear that these people simply do not believe that these predators are doing anything wrong.
00:57:15 You know, for similar reasons that they support abortion, they truly believe that adults should suffer no consequences whatsoever for harming children.
00:57:26 Now, we've mentioned Lindsay Clancy earlier. It's no coincidence, I don't think, that we have this campaign against Chris Hansen at the same time you've got people rallying around Lindsay Clancy.
00:57:36 The message from these people is that, you know, it's okay to harm children.
00:57:43 if you have a good sob story if you feel like you had a reason to do it it's okay to harm children
00:57:48 that is it's it's hard for us normal people to wrap our heads around like how could that be
00:57:52 anyone's actual view how could it be how could anyone really think that but they do
00:58:00 that's the unspoken evil underlying the attacks on chris hansen and the cottage industry of of
00:58:07 predator hunters that he helped create now you can mock pizzagate and the conspiracy theorists
00:58:12 all you want. But the fact remains that Hollywood just put out a big budget movie that exists for
00:58:16 the sole purpose of defaming and destroying a man who exposed how common this evil is.
00:58:24 The day they set up their first sting operation, they had more than a dozen people walk into their
00:58:28 decoy house in just two days in one local area. It was like moths to a flame. And in every
00:58:35 neighborhood Chris Hansen went, it was the same story again and again. Even after a show became
00:58:39 a nationwide phenomenon. People knew Chris Hansen might be lurking in the home, even after it became
00:58:44 a meme, before memes even existed. Still, there are people showing up by the hundreds.
00:58:50 This is why Hollywood and people like Lance Oppenheim want to ruin Chris Hansen. It's the
00:58:55 same reason they want to ruin anyone. He was effective. He still is effective. And with
00:59:01 primetime, like predators before it, they've tried and failed to take him down. All they've accomplished,
00:59:07 and this is clear to anyone who watches these films is to demonstrate that they are deathly
00:59:14 afraid of this evil being exposed and maybe for them afraid of them being exposed for who they
00:59:22 are you know they saw what happened to Weinstein and Epstein and you know they don't want it to
00:59:29 happen to them the fact that they're desperately producing hit pieces like this is the strongest
00:59:33 proof yet that after many years of waiting, they might soon get exactly what they deserve.
00:59:41 That'll do it for the show. I also want to remind you and announce that on Wednesday at noon
00:59:47 central time, I'll be doing an All Access Live on Daily Wire. This is your chance to, if you're
00:59:53 an All Access member, to come and ask questions, and in particular about the real history of
00:59:59 Colonization Africa, which is also
01:00:01 releasing for all Daily Wire members on
01:00:03 Wednesday. So that'll be going up
01:00:05 the same day as the All Access. We can talk about that.
01:00:07 We can talk about anything else.
01:00:09 That'll be on Wednesday.
01:00:12 And that'll do it for the show today.
01:00:13 Talk to you tomorrow. Have a great day.
01:00:15 Godspeed.
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