The Megyn Kelly Show - A Second Look： Russell Brand on Faith, Fame, and Allegations Against Him

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00:00:56.980 call 1-866-531-2600 or visit connexontario.ca. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius

00:01:03.540 XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn

00:01:15.080 Kelly Show and today's Sunday bonus episode. Today, we're starting a new series called A Second

00:01:20.780 Look, where we bring you an interview from the archives that's particularly relevant this week.

00:01:25.840 and boy is today's. This is my two-hour sit-down with comedian, actor, author, and host Russell

00:01:32.820 Brand. He came on in April of this year right here in the Red Studio. It was his first appearance on

00:01:38.080 the show. We'd actually been talking with him and his team for a while, but we're finally able to

00:01:42.560 make it work and have him here in America just months before he was set to go on trial in the

00:01:48.160 UK for alleged rape. That trial kicked off this week and is expected to run for the next several

00:01:55.240 weeks. During our interview, he strongly denied the allegations against him and got very candid

00:02:00.780 about his past life, fame, faith, and much, much more. Enjoy, and we'll see you Monday.

00:02:08.260 What a show we have for you today. Russell Brand is here, and this is going to be unlike anything

00:02:14.600 you've ever seen here on the MK Show. We first met several years ago on my set at NBC, where he

00:02:21.180 came out and at the time was full of energy and a huge star. And even back then, I remember said

00:02:29.220 something like, you're far less polarizing than people tell me you are. And we bonded immediately.

00:02:37.100 He's, of course, a British comedian. He's an actor. He's a media personality. And he knows

00:02:42.100 a thing or two about being polarizing now himself, unfortunately. Rising to fame back in the 2000s

00:02:47.600 as a stand-up comic and landing high-profile roles in Hollywood films like Forgetting Sarah

00:02:51.880 Marshall and Get Him to the Greek, not to mention the animated blockbusters Despicable Me, Trolls,

00:02:58.480 and Minions. He appeared on TV shows, comedy programs, and landed on the front cover of The

00:03:03.780 Rolling Stone. How about that? That's an iconic image of him. And he was further catapulted into

00:03:09.520 the headlines with his high-profile marriage to pop star Katy Perry. Everyone wanted to know

00:03:14.680 every detail about their lives. They were one of the it couples of the decade until the marriage

00:03:19.100 ended a couple of years later in divorce. In recent years, he's reinvented himself as a host

00:03:24.320 and a commentator, amassing millions of followers and content focused on politics, media criticism,

00:03:30.420 and what he describes as threats to free speech, particularly during the COVID pandemic where he

00:03:35.040 was absolutely fearless, questioning government policies, big pharma, and mainstream narratives

00:03:40.940 in a way few were, and it was bold, and it was noticed by the British government.

00:03:47.300 Brand has also spoken openly about his personal turn towards spirituality and Christianity,

00:03:51.560 saying that his faith has given him a sense of peace after years of struggling with various

00:03:56.280 forms of addiction, about which he is very open. But there have been some serious allegations

00:04:01.800 against Russell, too, and he is set to go on trial in the UK later this year. We're going

00:04:06.260 to get into that as well. Nothing's off the table today. As the investigations and public

00:04:10.560 debate continue about him, he remains as outspoken as ever. And now he's out with a brand new book.

00:04:17.180 It's called How to Become a Christian in Seven Days. May take 50 years of sin and serious fuck 1.00

00:04:23.980 ups to get started is the subtitle, which is pretty spectacular. Great title. Russell Brand 0.98

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00:05:56.860 great to see you thank you thanks for having me thanks for coming um okay so it's it's been a

00:06:07.180 while what has it been eight years since we last saw each other yes i remember where you were in

00:06:11.940 the culture then is i feel that you've previously been on fox and then you came on to having your

00:06:16.660 own show and i feel like it was you moving from being a news oriented person to let's have a

00:06:22.380 daytime version of you with celebrities and the culture but i feel like there's a lot of kind of

00:06:28.000 excitement around you at that time and so while i was preparing i mean sort of mentally and

00:06:34.200 spiritually to come and meet you i was thinking that both of us have moved through the culture

00:06:40.200 in ways that are comparable have been very close to its sort of what one might call its center

00:06:45.580 because i was going to use the word heart but heart doesn't seem quite the right word for the

00:06:49.060 culture because heart is perhaps what it's most lacking. And it's exciting and interesting to

00:06:54.960 speak with you because I know that you will recognize themes and trends that I've experienced.

00:07:01.020 Yes, very much so. I mean, watching your evolution has been very interesting to me because

00:07:05.000 I didn't know you other than as a celebrity back then. But when you came onto the set,

00:07:09.020 you had so much energy, positive energy. You were so kind. And I was in the midst of a terrible year

00:07:14.740 there because it didn't go well for me at NBC. I wasn't liked by virtually any celebrities. And yet

00:07:20.580 I found myself immersed in them. And it was so rare to have somebody come on the set and be so

00:07:26.800 nice to me and like, so complimentary. And I remember being like, I love Russell Brand. And

00:07:32.440 actually somebody asked me a couple of years after that, who was my favorite celebrity who I met,

00:07:36.620 you know, in my time at Fox and NBC. And I said, Russell Brand, because you were so warm. You were

00:07:41.260 so nice. You acknowledged the thing about being polarizing. You said, you're actually quite

00:07:45.080 lovely. And I remember we had a laugh over it. And now, you know, as I've watched you go through

00:07:50.160 your, you know, past few years and become this scourge of a certain section, I feel for you

00:07:56.500 because they're doing it to you. Same stuff they've done to me. As soon as you get political,

00:08:02.100 especially right wing political, boy, they come for you. Are you able then, I wonder, Megan, to

00:08:08.420 whilst because i suppose the impression i had when i met you i was wondering why i would have

00:08:13.340 a prejudice before meeting you where would i have gotten that from and i suppose there are

00:08:17.780 some assigned cultural figures that you're allowed to like if you're a participant in the culture

00:08:23.380 and then there are other people that are meant to be kind of pariah or that you're not meant to

00:08:28.480 approve of or like and i reckon i suppose that i came in there as part of a hollywood liberal set

00:08:34.080 even though like that kind of liberalism would not be the values that i grew up with

00:08:38.220 in a way what i'm starting to feel now is a connection to actually where i'm from and kind

00:08:42.800 of who i've always been that when you get sort of pulled into fame it does an interesting thing to

00:08:47.780 you because any sense of deficiency inferiority can be sort of temporarily medicated by the

00:08:53.980 attention the soothing balms the soothing balms of synthetic glory like if they will give you a

00:09:00.320 kind of you're amazing because in addition it's not like everybody didn't like you on nbc you

00:09:03.960 are sort of a glorious enough individual to have your own sort of show and everything and i said

00:09:08.480 so you know i what i'm going through now is acknowledging and addressing what i how i have

00:09:16.800 contributed to the conditions that i am experiencing and what lessons are available and they're pretty

00:09:22.240 obvious and pretty evident the complexity only being in the small portion that um that is framed

00:09:31.500 by illegality and criminality.

00:09:34.100 There's a very small margin.

00:09:35.380 Almost everything else I would entirely agree with.

00:09:38.480 Own and you've been self-reflective on.

00:09:40.500 I want to talk to you about so much of it

00:09:41.960 because my next phase of you,

00:09:45.220 while I watched you during COVID and I loved all that

00:09:47.040 and I thought he's gotten very brave

00:09:48.500 and very outspoken in a great way,

00:09:50.380 then came all the allegations,

00:09:52.220 the alleged sexual assault and rape and so forth.

00:09:55.360 And it first came in this UK, quote, documentary.

00:09:58.640 They use that term very loosely, there and here.

00:10:01.500 And I'll tell you up front, I was angry when I saw that because they did it in such a compelling way that especially the stuff about the 16 year old that I was angry with you.

00:10:11.600 I believed what they said or at least believed that there was enough smoke, there might be fire and said to the audience at the time, you know, the conservative movement doesn't need somebody like that.

00:10:25.220 Like we love what he's saying about COVID. But if this is a guy who's sexually assaulting women and taking advantage of 16 year olds, we need to move on without him. And felt that anger for a couple of years around you. Because I just thought it was so reckless and it was so wrong. And I knew that it might be false, but it seemed overwhelming the way that they presented the evidence.

00:10:50.300 And then the more I looked at it, the more I started to recognize I might not know the full story because since then I have seen what the British government has done, what my own government has done to certain figures that it doesn't like.

00:11:04.640 and I have an enormous amount of open-mindedness to you are being railroaded and attacked by people

00:11:13.420 for reasons having nothing to do with actual facts, but with your right-leaning stance on

00:11:18.900 certain issues, your growing prominence as a figure in a bunch of discussions that they find

00:11:24.300 very threatening. And honestly, I just reevaluated the whole thing and thought I need to be open-minded

00:11:30.800 to having been wrong in my initial assessments.

00:11:33.780 And I'm interested in a conversation about it all.

00:11:36.160 Thank you, Megan Kelly, for giving me the grace to address in particular your anger,

00:11:40.260 which is entirely legitimate and recognizable.

00:11:43.280 And the plain fact of it is, is that in Europe and in the United Kingdom where I'm from,

00:11:48.420 the age of consent is 16.

00:11:50.500 And I did sleep with a 16-year-old when I was 30.

00:11:54.820 When I was 30, I was a very different person.

00:11:57.340 i was a lot younger and i was an immature 30 year old consensual sex actually with a variety of

00:12:05.520 people when there is a strong power differential as there is when you're a famous man that has

00:12:10.260 the ability to attract women that i had at that time i think involves exploitation i think it is

00:12:17.480 exploitative i recognized that my sexual conduct in the past was selfish and uh i didn't i did not

00:12:27.020 apply enough consideration barely any i suppose really to how that sex was affecting other people

00:12:35.100 the only matter that i would contest while acknowledging firstly your right to be angry

00:12:40.640 with as a woman who given what i know about you in the industry you've worked in i'm sure that

00:12:45.800 you have personal reasons for feeling aggrieved towards powerful men because in spite of occasionally

00:12:50.540 men coming to the forefront of the culture whether it's the most hideous gargoyle villains as rendered

00:12:58.080 and portrayed or the more sort of innocuous and party boy style exploits of women a category that

00:13:05.320 i suppose i must fall into it's a it's plainly something that exists within our industry and

00:13:11.600 one might say culture at large while i was transgressing lines of being a person that 0.99

00:13:17.500 was sleeping with people because i had availability to not only by the way waitresses and strippers and 1.00

00:13:22.820 fans and people but like you know powerful women as well like powerful professional women that had 0.86

00:13:27.480 gravitas and status and power i was only really thinking of myself and obviously this is i have 0.62

00:13:34.820 to be careful of contempt of court because that's a law in my country where i can't say anything

00:13:40.340 publicly that might in any way influence a potential jury but obviously as soon as i've

00:13:45.840 said i'm not guilty what i'm in effect saying is i had consensual sex with lots of lots of women

00:13:50.980 and you can argue that that's not appropriate but the age of consent is an important thing

00:13:55.660 the ability to consent is an important thing like i.e drunk people can't consent mentally ill people

00:14:01.100 can't consent children can't consent like consent is what's important and what fame gave me and what 0.99

00:14:07.820 addiction fueled was opportunity for endless consent which led me to be a hedonist and a fool 0.60

00:14:15.300 and an exploiter of women and that is wrong and that is something that needs to be redeemed 0.75

00:14:22.100 and addressed and atoned for what i'm obviously not only querying but violently or aggressively

00:14:30.080 or assertively opposing is the idea that this is a judicial criminal matter where consent was

00:14:36.500 overridden actually what happened was is consent was directed that's what being famous and being

00:14:43.460 if i may say forgive me charismatic affords you is the ability to direct consent that doesn't mean

00:14:49.640 it's right it's actually not right it's wrong it's a sin it's an expression of selfishness

00:14:54.160 and false idolatry i provided a lot of material through my foolishness and my selfishness around

00:15:00.120 women that meant that when i became not a person that was celebrated by the culture as a

00:15:05.140 representative of individualism hedonism you're the most important thing in the world there's no

00:15:10.280 essentially acting like if there is a god you're it that's what the culture wants you to believe

00:15:14.880 it doesn't want you to have a higher higher authority to which you submit that none of us

00:15:18.980 have control over but we don't actually we're not the final say on what's right and wrong god is the

00:15:25.360 final say now i have a trial so in that trial i'll have the opportunity as will people that feel

00:15:30.280 wronged against to achieve justice and i have no problem in praying for absolute justice and the

00:15:36.100 best possible outcome for everyone involved indeed that is my prayer megan because however i look at

00:15:40.120 this or carve this up there are people that feel hurt enough to participate in this venture now

00:15:44.600 as to the second part of what you're saying why did it happen when it happened because a

00:15:49.300 documentary was made that framed my very explicit public behavior in a particular way i believe that

00:15:55.040 there is a strong connection between when it happened and what i was doing publicly i'd moved

00:15:59.480 from being um acting in movies and being on tv and writing books and essentially advocating for

00:16:06.000 the kind of cultural values that most people within the institutions of power and entertainment

00:16:11.240 power endorse and espouse, to being quite critical of them, openly critical of the pharmaceutical

00:16:16.660 industry, the British government, bureaucratic agencies that have unelected power that we

00:16:21.080 often are taxed for and are funding. And in COVID, I really started to find a voice for

00:16:26.800 something I'd long felt, that real power is inaccessible to ordinary people. I'd got into

00:16:31.640 a lot of controversy and trouble in around 2015, when I was thinking of running for mayor of

00:16:35.480 london when i'd said there's no point voting for anybody because whoever you vote for you're going

00:16:39.360 to get the same institutions and boy does that seem apposite and perspicacious now yeah when we

00:16:46.080 have a very powerful and idiosyncratic and seemingly self-empowered individual as the

00:16:52.620 leader of your country the most powerful nation in the world who many people believe is currently

00:16:58.520 fulfilling an agenda that is not endorsed by the american public and and many people also believe

00:17:03.940 is not even in the best interests of the United States of America.

00:17:07.080 So if someone as powerful and magnetic and idiosyncratic as Donald Trump

00:17:11.960 can be manoeuvred by invisible institutions of deep state international power

00:17:17.040 that are not beholden to the populations of the nations that they are elected to represent,

00:17:21.600 then all of us are participating to some degree or another

00:17:24.920 in sets of powers and interests that do not like to be challenged

00:17:28.620 and are difficult to challenge.

00:17:30.460 Whatever one thinks about this current conflict,

00:17:32.500 one thing i pretty strongly believe is if kamala harris had been elected you would still have this

00:17:37.380 war with iran in more or less the same way and that's what's kind of disheartening about it

00:17:41.620 is that power is going to do what it's going to do in fact when you reflect even for a minute

00:17:45.660 it's ridiculous to think otherwise otherwise true global power would have to pivot every four years

00:17:51.180 to accommodate significant variation depending on what on which political party got elected

00:17:56.260 the likes of kissinger players on the world stage have always known you need 20 year 30 year 50 year

00:18:03.040 100 year american projects and it's very interesting to know that the the project of

00:18:07.020 the next american century included we're going to have wars with iran we're going to have wars

00:18:10.440 with lebanon iraq north korea afghanistan you can tick all those nations off and most people that

00:18:16.000 have been paying attention have already conducted that exercise now what the pandemic provided i

00:18:20.020 suppose was an interesting window where for a moment there was an attempt to assert global

00:18:26.060 control not even national control you remember we all do at the beginning of the pandemic they said

00:18:30.560 well in china of course with their social credit scores and their centralized communist control 0.50

00:18:35.780 they can immediately submit an entire population but you try that in the united kingdom or italy

00:18:41.120 or lord above forbid the united states of america well what happened they were more or less able to

00:18:45.980 assert that level of control in what is superficially a very different political system

00:18:50.220 explicitly democracy and yet when it was the lockdowns when it was you can't worship when it

00:18:55.580 was take these vaccinations people generally speaking obeyed the only problem was that with

00:19:01.320 a decentralized media that's not controlled by the same resources and forces as customary media

00:19:07.380 there were voices like joe rogan most obviously and evidently who um i suppose framed and

00:19:14.860 platformed significant and more importantly authoritative voices around the vaccine i'm

00:19:20.040 talking about mcculloch robert malone jay batacharya people who blessedly now one positive of the

00:19:25.700 current administration are in government under the hhs of secretary robert kennedy now outspoken

00:19:31.880 critics of the covid pandemic people that said how can they possibly research these vaccines how can

00:19:35.740 we know what the side effects are did they even test for transmission they once these threads

00:19:40.160 start getting pulled we know that cove that companies like moderna and pfizer spent a good

00:19:44.540 deal of money observing and doing their best to de-amplify what they called anti-vax voices in

00:19:49.660 my country for example megan there's a group called the 77th brigade they're a psyops organization

00:19:56.160 run by a man called mark lancaster who's married to dame caroline dynage who's she's the one who

00:20:01.340 tried to stay for you on the very first day on the very first day that these um unsettling and

00:20:06.580 disturbing allegations were made. Caroline Dynage, who works with the government, was ready to say,

00:20:11.400 X should demonetize Russell Brand, Rumble should demonetize him, YouTube, and the YouTube, of course,

00:20:16.540 did. Now, when did Caroline Dynage even learn the nomenclature of CPMs and programmatic ads? 0.58

00:20:26.400 Well, perhaps it's possible to imagine in a Nancy Pelosi and Paul Pelosi type way, perhaps some

00:20:31.860 information crossed the marital bed because her husband mark lancaster runs the 77th brigade

00:20:36.980 they are and you can look at this now online to ensure that what i'm telling you is at least

00:20:40.860 somewhat accurate the 77th brigade are a psyops organization that operate in partnership with

00:20:46.040 the with the military in countries like syria and afghanistan when those nations are occupied

00:20:51.360 and internal dissent has to be quashed and controlled an online organization such as we

00:20:56.380 saw in the arab spring has to be managed and manipulated that includes de-amplifying online

00:21:01.880 messaging intercepting controlling shutting down and all sorts of things that we don't understand 0.51

00:21:05.680 because we simply don't know the technology normally psyops of that nature are not able

00:21:11.120 to be practiced domestically it's illegal but in the same way that they found a way around

00:21:15.260 surveilling citizens using the five eyes and i understand from netanyahu there is now a sixth

00:21:20.120 eye in israel the five eyes get around that problem the five eyes being the anglophonic

00:21:25.400 nations canada the united states america new zealand australia the uk by spying on one another's

00:21:31.000 citizenry and sharing information that way the u.s doesn't break any of its internal laws about

00:21:35.520 spying on its citizens and neither does the uk and yet the information is acquired the information

00:21:40.900 to control people as edward snowden revealed at the time they have all the information they need

00:21:44.880 on you so if in one in one day in the future you become an enemy of the state they will find

00:21:49.920 something with which to criminalize you if that should be required god forbid that that is ever

00:21:55.540 required in anyone's life but if it happens they've got the information so 77th brigade were

00:21:59.680 allowed to do that in the uk because covid was treated as some of you will remember and it was

00:22:03.960 extremely advanced in your nation as a kind of military exercise a kind of war now i only know

00:22:09.480 this because i was reading the good work of other journalists and reporters and independent media

00:22:15.620 contributors at the time. And that meant that most of us, a significant number of us had a very

00:22:20.400 different picture of COVID in real time than the one we were being offered by the very institutions

00:22:25.040 that you and I worked for, Megan, where on late night TV, you know, the likes of Stephen Colbert

00:22:31.960 were dressing up as a syringe and dancing around, where I remember another late night show by my

00:22:36.820 fellow Brit and, you know, a person I have good affection for, James Corden, dancing in the street,

00:22:43.400 celebrating Anthony Fauci who now would celebrate Anthony Fauci in the same manner knowing his

00:22:47.880 involvement with the HIV crisis Trump still defending him so I suppose you know that was

00:22:55.000 rather a long answer but it was a complex question and I want to thank you for having me on and give

00:23:00.580 me the opportunity to address the thing that's troubled me most about this is I have obviously

00:23:04.580 through my conduct hurt people it's not criminal conduct it's not right in fact to use the phrase

00:23:09.740 that they use to censor people on X these days.

00:23:14.140 Awful, but lawful, I think is what I say.

00:23:16.880 It's not right to sleep around with lots of people.

00:23:19.500 I say that not only as a father of doors, but of a son.

00:23:22.280 I don't want my children growing up thinking

00:23:23.940 the apex of your human power 0.97

00:23:25.720 is having a lot of sex with people. 0.99

00:23:28.320 Sex is a very powerful thing. 0.98

00:23:29.980 It's a gift, and I misused it,

00:23:32.260 and I understand now that there are consequences to that.

00:23:35.280 Can we talk about, we can circle back on the allegations,

00:23:38.660 But let's just talk about how you got to be you, because I have a terrible mistake, Megan.

00:23:44.760 This is what's happened.

00:23:45.720 Having read more about your background, your whole story came into more clear focus for me.

00:23:52.500 So it wasn't an ideal childhood.

00:23:55.280 Your dad wasn't really present.

00:23:57.700 Your mom went through a lot while you were young.

00:24:00.360 And forgive me for raising it so casually, but you also were the victim of sexual abuse, my understanding is.

00:24:05.800 So that's a lot for anybody's first 18 years.

00:24:09.320 How would you describe your childhood?

00:24:12.100 Well, I suppose because I have the blessing of being in 12-step recovery now,

00:24:16.580 I encounter people on a daily basis that have suffered enormously, enormously.

00:24:21.580 And I have the privilege of very dedicated, imperfect parents,

00:24:26.540 like my children have got very dedicated and imperfect parents.

00:24:29.300 My father, Ron Brand, he did his best, but he was on his own mission.

00:24:32.780 he lost his own father when he was a baby when he was seven years old my mother as you've alluded

00:24:37.520 to had cancer about five six seven times in a very short time frame that was in my childhood and

00:24:41.940 you're right i did experience some sexual abuse um outside of the family when i was uh very young

00:24:48.720 when i was seven and then again when i was a teenager um now because i'm aware that my doting

00:24:54.280 loving parents god love them my dad in particular he'll watch he'll be watching this live if he

00:24:58.660 knows I'm on it like I don't want to prioritize my own self-aggrandizement and my tendency to

00:25:06.100 mythologize myself and to sort of lean into this idea that I come from a humble blue-collar

00:25:12.480 background and I overcame heroin addiction and crack addiction and all of that that some of

00:25:17.940 those things are true because now I recognize that who I've always been and who I am now is

00:25:22.600 a broken person who my parents are a broken people and I was talking to my mom on the phone here and

00:25:26.680 she's like this you know my mom who loved me was so happy when i've got to be famous because she

00:25:30.580 thought oh look it all makes sense now that weird little kid that i was raising now he's famous and

00:25:34.880 like look everyone loves him or you know at least some people love him um yeah so my childhood was

00:25:40.460 chaotic and it was difficult and it was hard and i've always always felt desperately desperately

00:25:46.340 alone and exiled here and broken and a lot of the time very very afraid and very very unhappy in the

00:25:52.560 world. And frankly, when I became a drug addict, it was a tremendous relief. And any drug addict

00:25:58.620 watching this or alcoholic will recognize what I'm saying. It was the first time life made sense

00:26:02.680 was when I was able to medicate internally and chemically the feelings of total abandon and

00:26:07.500 loss here. And that's really nobody's fault because I know people that have grown up in care

00:26:11.680 and foster homes and with unbelievable, horrific suffering. And I know people that have grown up

00:26:17.060 in opulence and splendor. When did the drug start? Because I know you found acting in high school?

00:26:22.560 yes and was when did the drug start after that yeah immediately after it's almost you recognize

00:26:26.940 in your own life megan two tracks running simultaneously one where you're being guided

00:26:30.520 by sort of almost one might say a heavenly hand and the other sort of pulling you back i sort of

00:26:34.840 started smoking weed like any kid at 15 16 then it just escalated i had such an appetite for it

00:26:41.060 every single drug well this is what i think might be somewhat significant is that i treated it like

00:26:45.760 worship like i worshipped drugs i worshipped it i love taking cocaine i loved heroin i was

00:26:52.480 fascinated with heroin before i ever took it i really thought this is gonna be it this is gonna

00:26:56.860 solve everything i was around the first time i took it was 19 i was dependent on it by the time

00:27:01.720 i was i reckon 22 23 i got i got my first like real gig was i started hosting shows when i put

00:27:08.380 on 24 25 on mtv this was before i knew i was they were late at night i was in nightclubs and i would

00:27:13.700 talk to people that it was when club culture was a big deal in europe and people taking like ecstasy

00:27:17.360 and mdma molly you call it in your country i think and like people were off their faces and i would

00:27:21.960 say like crazy stuff to them because i was high also but i was able to follow these very surreal

00:27:27.220 and unusual rants what people didn't know is that while they were on ecstasy i was on crack and

00:27:30.700 heroin and that was my first like little go at being famous and having money and not living on

00:27:35.280 welfare and i exploded into that little life so quickly that i you know i hit a ceiling i hit

00:27:41.300 parameter crashed and burned real fast to the point where just i don't know it sounds like it

00:27:45.940 was just prior to this but you you did your first acting gig in high school then you went to the

00:27:50.040 royal academy of theater what do you call it what's the name of it interrada is what you're

00:27:53.600 alluded to and i still feel a pang of disappointment even to hear its name mentioned i went to a place

00:27:57.360 called drama center which is a very good school where people like pierce brosnan and simon

00:28:01.120 callow and uh who are these stars nowadays fassbender tom hardy like good actors went there

00:28:07.740 So like a very gritty Stanislavski based school.

00:28:10.600 I went there and they loved me.

00:28:11.940 They adored me.

00:28:12.520 Then I went crazy.

00:28:13.160 I took too many drugs.

00:28:13.900 They threw me out.

00:28:14.760 Like I get thrown out of everywhere.

00:28:16.240 Thrown out of the UK, thrown out of Hollywood, thrown out of every school I was ever at.

00:28:20.500 But you kept landing on your feet.

00:28:21.780 Somehow.

00:28:22.160 So you were young.

00:28:22.940 You were in your young 20s when you found the glory of these drugs, which of course is always followed by something.

00:28:29.300 I don't know what we call it, but it's the opposite of glory.

00:28:31.560 And how long did it take you before you got clean off the drugs and sort of the sex addiction took their place?

00:28:37.140 oh well the sex addiction i have to say was you know like i got concurrent yeah but it gets worse

00:28:44.220 without drugs or you know because obviously there are impeding factors with if you're if you're

00:28:48.820 dependent on heroin without going into too much graphic detail there are a number of obstacles to

00:28:53.180 a successful sex life um but like i stopped taking heroin when i was like 27 and stopped drinking and

00:28:58.620 by god's grace became abstinent one day at a time through the 12-step programs which are really the

00:29:03.340 foundation of my spiritual life thank god because that's where you first learn there's not really

00:29:07.080 drugs you're addicted to you're addicted to yourself you're addicted to this particular

00:29:10.960 perspective you're addicted to control you are so obsessed with who you are and what you want that

00:29:16.340 you are you can't really be of any use to anybody in this world that's what i learned anyway but i

00:29:20.920 only learned it briefly and the thing is is once i stopped taking drugs my life improved radically

00:29:25.840 in a number of ways i became successful in my country i got a bunch of tv shows and became

00:29:30.380 quite celebrated in fact one might say it really took off like a rocket and there was a moment of

00:29:35.060 real glory don't you remember megan wasn't there a bit when you first started to be successful it's

00:29:39.240 like oh my god it's working i'm successful people see me a world that's continually saying no is now

00:29:44.660 just saying yes yes yes you can host these awards you can have a book deal you can have your own

00:29:49.420 shows it was so amazing when that happened but i think probably because of what i would now call

00:29:55.180 sort of false idolatry, I easily, or cross addiction might be an easier term, I drifted

00:30:00.860 into just the worship factor, that tendency to worship really drifted into the availability of,

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00:31:03.860 iGaming Ontario. Can you describe, because when you write about it in the book, you're very open

00:31:08.880 about these addictions and the sex addiction details. By the way, we're speaking with Russell

00:31:14.600 brand in the book is how to become a christian in seven days you you put it out there and i one of

00:31:22.240 my questions was like with the the number of women who you openly talk about having interludes with

00:31:27.280 at a time in a day several times a day like this is all before you were young but like there was

00:31:34.320 no little blue pill like how does a man even keep up at that level i have this real appetite for

00:31:40.140 what i recognize now is god and that's not unique to me i think anyone that's an addict and this is

00:31:44.420 how the 12-step program describes it, Megan, really they are looking for God. We are all

00:31:49.520 looking for God. We were made for God and by God. We were made to love God. Now, if you live in a

00:31:54.640 culture and a world that denies the existence of God, I personally was trying to defibrillate

00:32:01.280 the dead and inert world into life through chemicals at first. And then, you know, sex is

00:32:07.960 a gift and sex used appropriately is a marvelous and wonderful and holy experience. But sex in the 0.98

00:32:14.300 hands of an idiot is a sort of a dangerous tool so how i did it is i've got a lot of energy i've 1.00

00:32:19.840 got a lot of yes we can see that and a lot of gifts and but those gifts must always be marshaled 0.99

00:32:26.020 to the service of the highest good and if you don't know that and you use it essentially for

00:32:30.500 self uh indulgence you will get in as it turns out very very serious trouble you will get in

00:32:36.960 very serious trouble and you will hurt a lot of people wow just the other day in a 12-step

00:32:40.560 environment i heard someone say that when you drink a bottle of jack daniels the bottle that

00:32:45.320 once you put it down doesn't have any feelings about it when you'll start to do stuff like that

00:32:49.480 in other areas of behavioral addiction obviously sex is what i'm referring to then you are creating

00:32:55.080 a lot of ill will have you ever tried to put a number on the number of women who you've been

00:32:59.840 with fox skills there i'm curious fox skills get a number guess that um well all right let's think

00:33:06.200 about this mathematically there was a sort of a period between like you know i think i became

00:33:09.560 sort of attractive in the late 90s and i think that that attractiveness endured till possibly

00:33:14.280 in 2015 let's say i megan we are talking very high numbers we're talking for four figures and

00:33:22.560 it's difficult particularly if you want to include all of the varieties of sexual contact

00:33:26.380 then it would be thousands thousands thousands thousands it was my main job i was very very

00:33:31.560 devout it was very foolish my main job i still i can even feel a little smile curling at the

00:33:36.400 even as a person is facing trial in october i'm still like yes i did very well i've still not

00:33:42.040 learned i have learned the lesson i've learned the lesson lord i have learned yes well we're

00:33:46.440 talking about sex here we're not talking about sexual assault which is very different well but 0.84

00:33:50.520 it's still sex is sacred sex is sacred and pornography desacralizes sex promiscuity 0.96

00:33:56.780 desacralizes sex making sex the apex of your identity whether you're a heterosexual or not 0.98

00:34:01.840 it desacralizes sex it's a holy power that i misused so you write uh you go on a deep dive

00:34:09.560 on your sexual escapades in the book and um i'm just going to read a little bit from it again 0.69

00:34:14.540 it's called how to become a christian in seven days with russell brand i had sex with multiple

00:34:18.580 women often at the same time most days for years it was normal to have three ways and four ways

00:34:22.980 and for women who had not met prior to fold into one flesh in my bed it happened every day here are 0.92

00:34:29.400 a few occasions that stand out that will help you understand the levels of excess, the sheer

00:34:32.720 abundance and implausibility, the pointlessness of coercion, meaning you never had to nor did

00:34:38.880 coerce anybody to do this with you, as well as the hollow sadness that is an inevitable

00:34:44.240 accompaniment to all forms of addiction and sin. Such an important point, the hollow sadness.

00:34:50.200 You're right. After a transatlantic flight from L.A., I invited the whole female flight crew 0.99

00:34:56.280 back to my house. They came. They drank. We all messed around. Some of them were married or in 0.88

00:35:02.120 relationships. I felt like an alchemist. I could create ecstasy out of mundanity. When I would

00:35:07.400 tell my male friends these stories, especially older married ones, I felt so valuable and

00:35:11.340 impressive. Now I see things very differently. After a show at the Brixton Academy, the female

00:35:15.920 cast of a popular reality TV show tumbled out of the after party and poured into my hot tub with 0.97

00:35:21.420 no more fanfare or fuss than I once would have tipped the contents of an instant soup into a

00:35:26.520 mug. There were at least five of them. A couple were sisters, as if some dormant part of me

00:35:32.540 were at least some dormant, as if some dormant part of me, alive only in Christ, already knew

00:35:39.600 the man I would become, the challenges and trials I would face, and the significant fact that I

00:35:43.620 myself would one day be a father to daughters. The apparent mad and hedonic glamour was haunted by

00:35:49.860 something I couldn't understand. So this is a fascinating picture because this is the kind of

00:35:55.500 stuff that everybody dreams a famous man, a successful actor, host, comedian, rock star,

00:36:01.940 whatever life will look like, but they don't acknowledge that second piece of it, that it

00:36:07.900 actually is the same as doing heroin or being an alcoholic, that there's a downside of shame,

00:36:14.680 disgust, and never being able to fill the thing you're trying to fill inside of yourself.

00:36:19.160 yes if god wants you and god loves you and god does then you will feel this presence even at

00:36:26.560 times where you think it unlikely and that i suppose is in my book because i recollect it

00:36:32.240 so clearly that it seemed on the surface like everything you would want in the most ridiculous

00:36:37.900 male fantasy that you can be offered multiple attractive women simultaneously you as the

00:36:44.840 adored center and focus and in the midst of that i sensed something kind of a bit icky and death-like

00:36:52.100 and obviously in retrospect as i've said oh i see what that is now what you are creating for

00:36:58.380 yourself and for other people is suffering and you are making yourself into this is what i

00:37:04.600 understand it as now megan is making yourself a kind of god gifted as i have been with the ability

00:37:10.660 to connect i could help a lot of people i could help people but i didn't recognize that or see

00:37:16.880 that i have an opportunity to be of real value to live a life of actual meaning of meaning these

00:37:23.960 things oh man i was once at a 12-step meeting in new orleans and i was famous then i guess and this

00:37:29.660 guy who like had this great beard he was older and kind of scruffy and dirty but solid looked

00:37:33.820 like a sailor or something wearing like a sailor's hat and he was sort of big and it was in new

00:37:38.460 Orleans that I got arrested on that movie even man it's been so crazy this life he said fame

00:37:44.540 celebrity those things those are crumbs I want to be at the banquet and just yesterday I was reading

00:37:50.580 in the gospel of Matthew the banquet is what we've been invited to we are able to be participants in

00:37:56.880 the glory of all creation and our challenge is this all of us will be like Christ tempted by

00:38:02.280 the devil we will be offered the world have the world be in charge have big contracts be a star

00:38:09.640 be fantastic have women envy you and men want you or whatever is correct for your gender but if you 0.59

00:38:16.680 choose that path you will end up in a hollow empty barrenness and maybe even worse maybe you won't be 0.59

00:38:22.740 blessed as i have been to see the way out of there and even with the trials and challenges ahead

00:38:29.060 What I've been granted as a slow learner is a very clear correction and a very obvious illustration that I've been blessed with.

00:38:38.080 I've got an amazing wife that just loves me.

00:38:41.480 I've got really, really beautiful children.

00:38:44.460 I've got amazing friends.

00:38:46.840 Now, when that voice and that appetite, that craving, that longing, which I would see kind of as demonic now, when I feel it, I give it to the cross.

00:38:55.520 i give it to him if i'm smart enough if i'm alert enough if i'm awake enough to i don't ever want

00:39:00.240 to go back there and i am sad but grateful to have been a participant in a culture that amplifies and

00:39:06.800 advocates for that way of life continually because even though we've been post me too now and we've

00:39:11.560 seen lots of statues real and figurative pulled down i think a lot of young men that don't even

00:39:18.780 observe traditional media anymore but like uh you know participating in online media figures and

00:39:24.880 there are a lot of them, very sort of male-oriented social media figures, will still think that my

00:39:30.480 identity is if I can sleep with lots of women, if I can have fast cars, if I can dominate and

00:39:34.720 control. But this empire of domination and control, it uses us as its fuel. For a minute, 1.00

00:39:40.860 it will tell us we're beautiful, but when it's finished with us, it will spit us out. Well,

00:39:44.600 we have the opportunity to love someone who loves us in our brokenness, in our vulnerability,

00:39:49.500 in my ineptitude in my frailty in my inability to continually be the man i'd like to be

00:39:56.080 but to not be a good enough dad to not be a good enough husband why would i not participate in that

00:40:01.540 and participate along with other people in that why would i follow this empire of false idolatry

00:40:06.720 and lies where every single hero that it erects eventually inevitably tumbles and falls because

00:40:11.660 that's what empires do when what we have access to is eternity that which is outside of time

00:40:17.540 We will go at best gracefully to our graves, but the grave is coming with its hungry mouth.

00:40:23.120 When we get there, let's go there hand in hand together into eternity, not having tried to create the simulacrum of permanence here.

00:40:31.440 Permanent idols and skyscrapers and self-made icons scratched out with our own clumsy hands.

00:40:39.060 Let me ask you something that Bill Maher says about something he says on this subject.

00:40:42.920 He never married, and he says it's because he didn't want to have to give up lust, that he enjoys lust too much.

00:40:52.580 As somebody who's been on both sides of this and is currently in a loving marriage, which does, I hate to tell you, Bill, include lust,

00:41:00.960 it's not like the first day, it's not like the first year, but it develops into something else.

00:41:05.860 What do you think he's missing?

00:41:07.480 what bill ma with all due respect to him there is missing and living through is a self-perpetuated

00:41:15.660 adolescence clinging to some injury or wound i would imagine that occurred around the time when

00:41:21.480 you know i speak as someone who belatedly received these lessons what bill ma is missing is intimacy

00:41:26.680 you can achieve through uh promiscuity a kind of false intimacy that sort of feel kind of wonderful

00:41:33.340 sometimes particularly with the charge of sexuality around it especially the whole flight crew there 0.84

00:41:37.760 oh man you've got there's nuts coming at you from every direction can i get you a hot house that's

00:41:43.060 what she said but what you are missing out on is true intimacy you are eating the crumbs that which

00:41:48.840 has fallen from the table the appearance of something instead of the thing itself i actually

00:41:53.500 really love bill ma i think he's a i've been on his shows a couple of times and i think he's a

00:41:58.580 really, really lovely person. And I reckon that what Bill Maher, what I would pray for Bill Maher

00:42:04.060 is the ability for him to love. Like that one day we will hear Bill and hear Bill Maher say,

00:42:11.020 man, I don't know what I was afraid of. I have a father. I have a wife that I love. This is

00:42:16.200 amazing. Right. Why did I wait so long? Yeah. I don't know if he's capable. He doesn't strike

00:42:21.220 me as somebody who's capable. He's in a very different place. You have to arrest yourself.

00:42:24.660 you have to participate in your own delusion we all of us hold the key to the way out i recognize

00:42:29.340 that i did i didn't have to like you know how all of us are meant to say like oh i don't regret

00:42:32.500 anything because i wouldn't be the person i am and that is one perspective that's available but

00:42:36.100 obviously for me i'm like wow i wish i hadn't hurt all of these people also i knew my wife when i was

00:42:40.520 when she was 19 and i was 30 around to like you know time all of these things are sort of kicking

00:42:44.060 off i could have married her i could have eight kids yeah 20 years in i could have more time with

00:42:48.160 her but you know that's not really true because had the you of that year married the her of that

00:42:52.860 year you wouldn't have produced the same kids you wouldn't have been the same people you wouldn't

00:42:56.240 have been as good parents like it i i do think that kind of stuff is meant to be when when it

00:43:00.840 happens yeah there's a there's zero point in lamenting timing on things like a great relationship

00:43:04.940 it's like it came when it came because you were ready for it you manifested it when you were ready

00:43:08.640 for it um okay let's let's talk about the young girl because that's what that one's just bothering

00:43:14.020 me how is it that you had a relationship with a 16 year old girl right i'll give you some stories

00:43:20.040 because some of this stuff pertains to ongoing legal situations

00:43:23.080 out of respect for the judicial process and everybody involved.

00:43:26.360 I don't want to get you in more trouble than you're already facing with.

00:43:28.760 Yes, I'm in enough trouble.

00:43:30.860 I want to contextualize it in this way.

00:43:33.220 The reason the age of consent exists is to protect people,

00:43:37.120 children, who can't make a decision. 0.84

00:43:38.820 So if the age of consent is 18, then don't have sex with someone that's 16. 0.83

00:43:42.900 If the age of sex is 16, don't have sex with someone that's 15. 0.57

00:43:45.880 That's the law. I'm talking about the law. 0.76

00:43:47.400 If you're a 30-year-old man and you're really famous,

00:43:50.040 i now know don't have sex with anybody at all because you are over endowed and empowered in

00:43:55.460 ways that make the match unlikely to be fair what i would say is i did i didn't have a passion for

00:44:02.200 young girls you know that's not my thing that's not my thing that's just um like you're just

00:44:08.140 reading up on this piece of your history it's not like it does not it's not a common theme that

00:44:12.340 keeps coming no i really liked older women black women white women thin women fat women it's love

00:44:16.900 it's it's perverted love actually it's like a it's like oh my god you're so and also it was

00:44:21.640 sincere the reason that i was sleeping with lots of people i think is because i see beauty i see it

00:44:25.940 i see the beauty i'm not like oh i'm just gonna tell this ugly cow you know i'm like i mean i

00:44:30.800 love you i love you it feels very very real so for me like the age of consent would be something i'd 0.57

00:44:38.080 be very alert to and would check well and also by the way i'm not like yeah it's not a kink of

00:44:43.240 mine to like you know if anything it would be oh no man you'd like the seniors yeah if anything

00:44:49.180 i mean do you know what i didn't know that was a thing when i was young uh when i was really little

00:44:54.820 i just grew up with my mom huh just that only i'm the only son of a single mom the lady on from the

00:45:00.200 house opposite josie who i just was on the phone with with my mom was with her they're like 80 like

00:45:05.500 my mom's 80 now so i think josie might be older than my mom and like i remembered that when i

00:45:09.140 wrote my first book i'd wrote in it written in my book should know the tenses as an author like uh

00:45:14.220 doug would never make a mistake like that i'd written about josie right and she would have been

00:45:17.840 like you know she was a single mom herself and she one time her water her hot water weren't working

00:45:22.020 at the house and i was about seven years old and like i went and played with my toys in the bathroom

00:45:27.080 she'd said can we use your kind of have a bath at your house babs my mom because uh the hot water's

00:45:31.900 not working at mine and i heard that phone call and i went and like took all my toys into the

00:45:36.720 bathroom and like played in there and like when Josie came my mum went um hey Russell get out

00:45:42.600 there Josie's having a bath and I said oh he's only a little boy and I was like ha ha ha the

00:45:46.660 whole thing's a scheme you were looking for a cougar I found her that day obviously nothing

00:45:51.700 happened I sat there playing with like my farmyard animals and toys like any innocent normal child

00:45:55.940 but what I want to tell you is I just had an enormous appetite and craving for sexual

00:46:01.480 where do you go with it if you're like looking for looking for something of meaning and feel like

00:46:06.240 look i started with weed then i end up on heroin i start with like sleeping with one person at a

00:46:10.480 time and i wish i'd had the common sense to fall in love and to be a bit more and by the way sometimes 0.66

00:46:14.680 i was i keep telling people this that like because i'm when i was touring doing like crazy ass world

00:46:20.300 tours in arenas and like i'm telling you it's like people frying women throwing their underwear at me

00:46:24.860 and all that kind of stuff and people getting wristbands to come backstage it was unbelievable

00:46:29.100 remember i wasn't like captain of the football team at school right i was like a nervous weird kid

00:46:34.800 like you know i'm unusual so like when that happened i was very um all like you're just

00:46:42.420 like a like a fish trawler or like just some open hole just everything falling into this open hole

00:46:47.140 so i'm not like you know hey can i check your id what about you have you got any psychological

00:46:50.760 problems were you abused as a kid was that well you know i have that level of awareness now that 0.98

00:46:54.640 i can see where people's injury are i really sense it now but i wasn't i didn't care i've been stupid

00:46:58.700 but i do remember actually in australia uh like encountering a young woman and they're being

00:47:04.700 anatomical evidence of her lack of experience and saying to her in that situation oh actually hey

00:47:10.940 like this probably isn't a good way for you to have sex for the first time so it wasn't like an

00:47:16.260 inner unalert you know like i'm explaining in the book he's always there he's watching you

00:47:22.840 and also i'm a 12-step person that means as a 12-step person that means you do an inventory

00:47:27.560 with your sponsor where you where you tell them absolutely everything if you're not entirely

00:47:31.620 honest you do not receive the benefits confession truth is the foundation of everything i would be

00:47:37.160 lying to myself if i lied to you i mean we're on you know where it's being filmed and broadcast

00:47:41.480 and stuff like that and i'm not stupid but what i'm saying is but i've never done anything where

00:47:47.120 i've i've manipulated consent i've manipulated consent by conducting it as a kind of energy

00:47:52.620 energy conduction but bypassing consent is when you make people do things they don't want to do

00:47:56.640 not make things do think make people do things they wouldn't normally do that is too young you

00:48:00.840 shouldn't sleep with anyone really younger than you and if i'd had more i mean i wouldn't go i

00:48:05.780 don't want to time travel back and be a more efficient womanizer i don't think 14 years

00:48:09.860 difference is in itself scandalous it's just given the age she was it was but you know if she

00:48:14.700 were 25 and you were 39 i don't think people would be looking at that you know it's yeah it is young

00:48:20.340 but i don't know if you remember from your own adolescence because i do that there were some

00:48:25.020 young women like you know girls you let's call them girls like there were 16 that were like kids

00:48:31.060 and then there were others that were like women and like 25 year old guys would pull up in cars

00:48:34.940 outside the school like we're just at my normal comprehensive that means regular state school

00:48:39.080 you know when all the girls in your year go out listen you don't have to tell i was called a

00:48:43.360 pedophile enabler because i said there's a difference between 15 year olds and five year

00:48:48.300 olds when we were talking about what jeffrey epstein is and really the point i was making

00:48:53.000 was that the term pedophile only applies to somebody

00:48:56.800 who likes prepubescent girls,

00:48:58.940 which is a very different thing than liking women

00:49:03.360 who are in their, you know, late teens.

00:49:05.720 And then you get in the 15, 16 range and it depends.

00:49:08.780 It really depends.

00:49:09.440 I guess the law is the law.

00:49:10.660 I'm in a legal situation.

00:49:12.080 Morally, of course it's wrong.

00:49:13.620 It's morally, but one- 1.00

00:49:15.000 But I mean, there are 15 and 16 year old girls

00:49:17.060 who are having sex with 18 and 17 year old boys. 0.82

00:49:20.720 Like they're, it's like the age difference 0.97

00:49:22.920 there does feel exploitative and shocking yes it like 15 year old 16 year olds kids having sex with 0.99

00:49:29.780 each other is none of my business me as a 30 year old i had no business having consensual sex with 0.85

00:49:35.580 women that were just past girls that were just over the age of consent but i wasn't really it

00:49:40.960 wasn't like my thing you know i mean yeah yeah this one that one this one when you saw so i think

00:49:46.140 her her fake name is alice i don't know if that's her real from the documentary from the documentary 0.50

00:49:49.640 she went on camera actually it wasn't they were all actors i believe all of the women i had some

00:49:54.740 more actors and some more like the adult version i thought that we had the actual version of alice

00:49:59.620 i don't know actually to be honest but did you were you shocked to see that she was speaking out

00:50:04.700 about it in a way that painted it as not consensual yes because yes of course actually yes

00:50:12.240 Yes, absolutely. I, if, again, with respect to ongoing judicial proceedings, this is a person that outside of this difficult matter, were I to encounter her, I would greet her as a person that I held in very high regard.

00:50:32.340 Did you and she, did you feel like it ended well? Did you feel like you had a good, you know, you got out of it well and you two were in a good place?

00:50:39.220 um yes so you were you were stunned yes yes yes is there any way i have to take a break in a minute

00:50:49.680 here but is there any way do you think russell like out of these criminal charges do you think

00:50:54.580 have you been able to speak to any of these women to try to like find out one-on-one i think about

00:50:59.480 that sometimes and i would like to i would like to because there's i would i wish i pray that there

00:51:06.280 were a way that i could as a you get in trouble for witness tampering at this point i guess right

00:51:12.020 it's not legally permissible but yeah like i recognize that people feel that they have been

00:51:17.900 wronged and i understand why they would feel like they have been wronged but you know like it's it's

00:51:24.060 a sort of an odd um philosophical device to use your own children but like i've daughters uh seven

00:51:30.480 day babies but they're presumably i'd imagine from the way you know there's a potential that

00:51:35.180 they will find a certain type of man appealing when they grow up based on the way that they're

00:51:38.980 being raised and who their primary male role model is there will be a very very strong difference in

00:51:44.020 my mind were one of my beloved daughters to sleep with a charismatic wild womanizer than if they were

00:51:50.740 to be violated by a rapist in one case i would be sad about it and go well there's the life is full

00:51:58.400 of lessons kid and in the other one we've got a situation yeah all right stand by we have to take

00:52:04.980 a break. There's so much more to go over. What a man, what a life. Russell Brand bears it all

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00:53:14.580 with iGaming Ontario. We are back now with Russell Brand. He is the author of How to Become a

00:53:21.540 Christian in Seven Days. Asterix may take 50 years of sin and serious fuck-ups to get started. 0.97

00:53:27.060 It is available now at tuckercarlson.com. Our pal Tucker is launching an imprint and Russell's book is the first big project within the imprint. So we're supporting two people at once, but read the book because you're going to love it. And Russell is unsparing of himself, which you can hear him do here on this set as well.

00:53:44.920 So I'll move on from the women thing in one minute, but I want to ask you about one other person who was featured in the documentary because I think her story illustrates how this whole thing is a lot more complicated than it may look to the outside world.

00:53:58.740 Now, this woman's name is Nadia, and she's featured in this British documentary called In Plain Sight, which details an alleged rape.

00:54:06.740 That's what she says.

00:54:08.100 The problem for Nadia is – and in this – I'm going to play a soundbite from it.

00:54:11.640 Oh, wow.

00:54:12.360 It's played by an actress, to your point.

00:54:15.320 I see.

00:54:15.840 It's not, whoever Nadia actually is, this is not the actual Nadia.

00:54:20.040 It's some woman claiming, I had this relationship with Russell, and this is the terrible thing that happened to me.

00:54:25.500 And we'll go through it in just a couple of details.

00:54:27.300 But here it is.

00:54:28.200 I think it's Sot 2.

00:54:30.360 And he's like, please come.

00:54:31.720 Just come and cuddle with me.

00:54:33.840 So then I gave in.

00:54:36.060 He comes running out of the bedroom naked.

00:54:42.360 he came at me with kisses and stuff which was kind of fun and then it wasn't

00:54:50.760 that fun when I couldn't move or I knew what he wanted from me he pushed me up

00:54:56.700 against the wall I'm like no that's not happening we're not doing that and at

00:55:02.180 this point he's grabbing at my my underwear pulling it to the side I'm

00:55:07.980 telling him to get off me and he won't get off and he has that glazed look in

00:55:13.440 his eye again I was very distraught trying to get out of the house with him

00:55:18.300 being so much taller than me like holding me up against the wall pushing

00:55:22.560 himself in me I couldn't move and he finally comes and gets off of me and I

00:55:33.240 and push him away. He blocks the door. He's like, are you okay? I'm like, no, I'm not okay.

00:55:42.040 Get away from me. And he's like, well, let's calm down.

00:55:50.420 Again, that was an actress purporting to be this woman based on this woman's testimonial

00:55:56.580 of her relationship with you. She also claims that there was a text message after the fact

00:56:02.420 between the two of you where you sent her a text message at 329 a.m. I'm sorry. That was crazy and

00:56:09.500 selfish. I hope you can forgive me. I know that you're a lovely person, X, that you tried phoning

00:56:14.600 her at 351 a.m., but the call went unanswered. And she says later in that same day, she went

00:56:20.040 with a friend to a rape treatment center at UCLA Santa Monica Medical Center.

00:56:25.280 She did not go to the police. And then she saw a therapist and they saw therapy notes

00:56:31.040 from this rape, it was all at the rape treatment center where she had those. So that's her story.

00:56:36.600 Then you find out a little bit more in that she says in this text to you, allegedly, this is

00:56:45.540 reported later by the Mirror, Russell, when a girl says no, it means no. Do I have to go and get

00:56:52.560 myself tested? Last time you asked me condom or no condom. When I say condom, that doesn't mean

00:56:58.840 it's optional. You don't have the best reputation. And you responded saying, I pride myself on being

00:57:05.400 safe, trying to make the right decisions. Obviously, this is a bad one. I'm so disappointed

00:57:08.780 in that you wrote, you don't need to get tested. I will make this up to you somehow with love and

00:57:13.700 kindness. Not my original idea, which was more sex. You're being funny here. So this whole text

00:57:20.840 exchange is kind of illuminating to me. And I wonder, because this is somebody who claims she

00:57:25.260 was in a relationship with you she had had consensual sex with you that particular night 0.93

00:57:29.300 she did not want to have sex with you and that you forced yourself upon her when you watch that

00:57:34.380 and when you you see that what's your reaction to it well i must say megan it makes me uncomfortable

00:57:41.280 to tell you the truth because as i've said even whilst i believe that

00:57:55.260 the challenge that I face is one of the misuse of being in a position where lots of people

00:58:01.060 had sex with me just to even see iterated, albeit by an actor in a documentary, which I think had

00:58:06.540 an agenda. If that's my opinion about that. Nor is it journalistically sound to use an actor like 0.77

00:58:10.980 that, but that's another problem. And also to shoot an actor in silhouette as well. If it is

00:58:15.640 an actor, if it's an actor, you don't need to shoot them in silhouette. That shows that there's

00:58:18.700 intention and the type of music being used but yeah i suppose look i'm here in of course i sort

00:58:25.860 of think about what's my motivation even i'm coming on your show what's my motivation am i

00:58:29.400 falling again into the trap of wanting stuff wanting to be successful wanting to be powerful

00:58:36.120 when it have influence wanting to get out of the consequences of my actions and so what i have to

00:58:42.240 say is my behavior which my position is was consensual and therefore non-criminal is definitely

00:58:50.480 immoral and i suppose my job as a follower of jesus is to focus on how i can follow him more

00:58:58.400 closely and i don't really megan get a lot of delight out of going that person said this but

00:59:05.040 actually that although those things will be very important in the trial that i'm facing because

00:59:10.300 that's the nature of it i'm being put into a criminal situation you know of it that's the

00:59:15.920 nature of what i'm facing and do you know that i'm like will be literally in like a like a glass

00:59:20.680 box like hannibal lecter like in the in the in the pre-trial one so but to me it's i'm in a sense

00:59:27.200 trying to manage this in a number of different fields in the in the judicial and legal one

00:59:32.200 is a matter of of course demonstrating that the encounters that i had were consensual

00:59:39.620 in a public relations field which is i suppose what i'm in now i think i have to take the 1.00

00:59:45.160 opportunity to say that i'm not saying so what these women are lying they wanted money who cares

00:59:52.060 f that i'm not like that's not my position my position is yes i recognize that my conduct has

00:59:57.780 caused harm and pain in in a in a pr situation like being on the megan kelly show my i think

01:00:06.720 my role and my job is to make it very clear to people that that behavior as i describe it

01:00:13.960 was not behavior that i would endorse but it's not non-consensual or coercive behavior however

01:00:22.100 people obviously plainly as we just saw there albeit played by an actor felt hurt by an

01:00:26.960 encounters by me and so i've obviously got some work to do somewhere so what level of stress are

01:00:31.600 you at about this criminal trial all right so sometimes it's unbelievable sometimes it's kind

01:00:37.320 of unbelievable sometimes i can't sometimes i think if this can happen then anything can happen

01:00:43.200 if look when i was coming in december october i think it's october the 7th the trial in the united

01:00:50.880 kingdom um so it's sort of you know it's coming up close and i've got like a normal family i've

01:00:56.200 got young children and all that kind of stuff so i'm living a normal life i'm working and sort of

01:01:00.500 and part of my job is public facing and I'm assessing that and what contribution can I make

01:01:05.200 and how has it impeded me and impaired me and slowed me down what are the positive things

01:01:10.060 that have come from it like certainly it's been very very very humbling and confronting because

01:01:14.140 I already recognized that sexual addiction was wrong I've already recognized that as a married

01:01:19.680 man or anyone in a committed relationship I suppose you've got to be straight and faithful

01:01:24.860 all of those lessons i kind of learned but i believe in god so all things are from god this

01:01:31.280 is from god yeah and i don't like it very much i mean and it is extremely stressful but because of

01:01:37.580 my faith in god when i feel frightened and i sometimes do what i try to do is recognize that

01:01:43.780 he is a great and loving god and that he will use this in some way and on a slightly less mystical

01:01:50.760 plane i recognize that i have some serious amends to make and perhaps by god's grace an opportunity

01:01:58.620 to put right the wrongs i've done but i have to tell the truth i can't put right wrongs i haven't

01:02:04.640 done only the things that i've done and i've been i was clear about those things at the time because

01:02:08.880 again when i was doing that stuff i was on a talk show or if like you know i'm aware of

01:02:12.700 attractive women i'm not blind i can see attractive and when i was like a single person i'm like

01:02:17.660 assessment are you married yes okay no problem unless you're married and you've got an open

01:02:21.900 marriage right fair enough uh what about you are you not like some of those flight attendants

01:02:25.140 right like so i was an open channel but for the for the wrong frequency and the wrong energy

01:02:30.860 what's it like now it's um very very pressurizing and as a christian i recognize that pressure can

01:02:38.140 be very refining very refining so i try to keep my mind and my prayers on the people involved in

01:02:44.040 this that are are hurt and that need resolution and justice i'm trying to be aware of that i'm

01:02:49.660 trying not to be selfish i'm trying to pay attention to that everyone participating in

01:02:54.260 this is doing their best does it does it make you angry the anger i've never felt i understand

01:03:01.820 the position look in the when me too happened in 2015 you know i was like wow i've slept with lots

01:03:07.520 and lots of women i wonder if during this moment i'm gonna face some allegations and that did not

01:03:13.800 happen? Because I think some people, it seemed, were facing allegations that maybe it looked like

01:03:20.100 consensual activity reframed. Again, that's one of the things that's very, you know, suspicious

01:03:25.120 about the allegations against you is that no one did come forward then. It wasn't until you got

01:03:30.400 very outspoken in your more right-wing views that suddenly Channel 4 thought it would be a great

01:03:36.440 time to do a hit piece on Russell Brand and found some women. I mean, it'd be the equivalent of like 0.98

01:03:41.980 going around and finding all the women who had slept with Jon Bon Jovi and saying,

01:03:45.740 do you ever have anything that didn't feel 100%? It's just when you go to a man who's been as

01:03:52.680 exposed as you have, like a rock star, as you were describing, if you really, really, really

01:03:57.680 lift up every sheet and kick every tire, you may find some women who are unhappy about their

01:04:02.480 experiences. I'm not diminishing them. Maybe they're true, whatever. We'll find out at the 0.88

01:04:05.460 trial. But maybe they're not true. And maybe this did come up because there was a new agenda when

01:04:11.780 it came to your name. And it was much more interesting to silence you and smear you.

01:04:16.520 And honestly, Russell, I'm not diminishing anybody's story. I don't know what happened,

01:04:20.720 but I can relate to this to some extent. I have seen my own self get attacked by different groups

01:04:28.000 over the years when you fly too close to the sun or when you're over an issue that's this

01:04:33.280 particular group's favorite issue and they need you to say it in a different way or feel a different

01:04:38.360 way, that I now am very suspicious about like massive harms that come to people when they speak

01:04:45.620 out on a particular issue or in a particular way. It happens over and over and over.

01:04:50.400 Yes, it is interesting. One of the outside of my own experience, where of course,

01:04:55.240 by definition, I can't be objective because I am the subject of it. I do try to imagine that the

01:05:01.680 way that power operates these days is to first decide an outcome this is the outcome we want

01:05:08.760 how do we get to that outcome we need these resources we need control of social media like

01:05:15.900 when there's a spate of stories for example saying we're really concerned that young people

01:05:20.800 using their social media are getting too much access to pornography either the government and

01:05:26.180 the state are really concerned about the moral well-being and purity of our youngsters or they're

01:05:31.940 looking for a way to legitimize some measures and control that they'd like to assert that's why i

01:05:37.360 think the pandemic period that many of us have sort of you know everyone wants to just get on

01:05:40.360 with their lives and no one wants to look back over their shoulders it's so depressing it's

01:05:43.600 interesting it's interesting but what were the results of the pandemic i think when we look at

01:05:48.820 you know key bono i think is the phrase in latin who benefits when we look at what happened who

01:05:53.420 benefited whether it's a sort of something that's personal or whether it's something that's larger

01:05:58.560 more macro then it helps us to understand clearly what's required i think that the agenda right now

01:06:05.260 is to create a great deal of social unrest and cultural confusion people arguing and quarreling

01:06:12.580 about identity and ideology a kind of uh tower of babel moment where everybody is in a mad

01:06:20.180 conflict, a cacophony of argument. In this cacophony of argument, I think there will be

01:06:26.780 an attempt to assert centralized control, increasing centralized control that is not

01:06:32.580 national, but international. And I think the pandemic, whether deliberately or not,

01:06:37.320 was a opportunity to pilot levels of control. What are the problems you face if you tell people

01:06:44.020 everyone's got to get in their house? How do they respond to it? How much trust do the media have

01:06:48.820 these days, who trusts CNN, MSNBC, Fox, whoever. And I think they learned a great deal. And I would

01:06:55.580 be very surprised if we didn't see in the coming years attempt to shut down anybody who has a

01:07:01.740 meaningful dissenting voice. If you have a meaningful dissenting voice, it's quite likely

01:07:07.180 that you will be subject to attacks. 100%. The money, people will look at your taxes and the

01:07:13.260 way you've paid, they will look at your sexual history, they will do whatever they can. And,

01:07:16.880 you know, if there's nothing else they can do, it seems that sometimes very convenient people

01:07:22.040 are assassinated, people that it's beneficial to not have around. Well, you made an interesting

01:07:26.600 point, Tucker. You made it, you know, facetiously, but, you know, there was obviously an element of

01:07:31.700 are we onto something in the discussion about the lone gunman. I never heard somebody say it the way

01:07:37.620 you said it. Like, wow, it's really interesting how these lone gunmen are out there assassinating

01:07:43.000 all these really prominent, important figures.

01:07:46.160 You know, if you were a government

01:07:47.560 who really wanted to get rid of a problematic person,

01:07:49.460 you'd be really smart to partner

01:07:50.680 with one of these lone gunmen.

01:07:52.500 Like, that's basically how you put it.

01:07:54.100 You said it more articulately than that,

01:07:55.440 but I like that.

01:07:56.760 That was more persuasive to me

01:07:58.520 than any conspiracy theory, in quotes,

01:08:01.220 I've heard on any of the assassinations.

01:08:03.020 It's like, if you are a government

01:08:05.320 or a government agency

01:08:06.340 or an underworld-related entity

01:08:09.160 and you want to take out somebody really famous,

01:08:11.560 wouldn't it make sense to do it that way as opposed to just sending your super secret sniper

01:08:16.720 into the crowd and taking him out yes are you a teenager with no social media imprint who's never

01:08:24.180 been on any of these sites are you despairing and at a loss then you could be a lone gunman

01:08:29.580 100 lone gunman maybe you could be a tool of the state i was just thinking then that perhaps what's

01:08:37.000 important is for us to recognize that everyone is broken and any of us that have invested our hope

01:08:42.500 in some political figure or cultural figure in the end disappointment is what's coming because

01:08:47.360 they're all broken and hopeless in their own way and another thing that i feel might be important

01:08:52.580 is to look at who we can forgive and who we can move towards in good faith because i think we're

01:08:58.000 doing their work for them when i say they i mean the true power the empire we're doing their work

01:09:04.580 for them when we quarrel with one another when the chat is full of in intermittently anti-semitism

01:09:11.540 islamophobia hatred loathing i regard it as a kind of frequency once you are on that frequency of

01:09:18.200 hatred and condemnation they've already got you you've been as we would say in the uk lifed off 0.97

01:09:23.380 you're partitioned you're no good you're useless now when you remain in faith and in grace open

01:09:29.400 hearted and willing to forgive and willing to love you move into a different terrain and different

01:09:33.920 territory if we don't instantiate a different type of politics that's actually i mean ironically

01:09:39.900 the system that would work rather well is democracy if we do not use the technology that

01:09:44.220 we have right now that's in my country being used for facial recognition technology that's just been

01:09:48.700 litigated they're now going to have facial recognition technology cameras all across

01:09:52.980 the uk many people are concerned that in the united kingdom you're very likely to be arrested

01:09:57.220 we have more arrests than any other nation yeah for social media posts there's an attempt to get

01:10:02.760 digital id mandated that has been temporarily rescinded because there was so much public

01:10:07.780 resistance which optimistically suggests that if we are willing to unite in a line we can oppose

01:10:13.420 this technological feudalism that seems to be coming down the line what terrifies me megan

01:10:18.680 is that the the enemy the empire deal only in counterfeits instead of unity they will have

01:10:25.860 totalitarianism instead of intercommunication they will have mass surveillance all of our

01:10:31.440 communications observed and controlled, all of our information pre-tued, any opinion that's not

01:10:37.300 convenient to the empire or to the state passed off, ignored and censored. I really believe that

01:10:44.180 we are at a pivotal moment. I think everybody knows that. I don't want to indulge that kind

01:10:48.240 of fin de sequela narcissism that every generation feels. We're the ones that will experience the

01:10:53.360 Armageddon. We're the ones that will experience the apocalypse. Surely we will. But in the wake

01:10:57.860 of COVID, why wouldn't we be asking those questions? I mean, we just had our president

01:11:01.640 send out a post saying, no, I think I'm willing to sacrifice my liberties, my civil liberties

01:11:08.740 in order to have the government have this control. It's fine when in the context of these FISA warrants

01:11:14.160 in the FISA court. And this is something that we on the right cheered post 9-11, you know,

01:11:19.760 these Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, these warrants that you can get to access to

01:11:25.100 millions of people's metadata from their phones. And the way the government justified it was,

01:11:29.560 yes, some Americans may get swept up in our search for spy communications or terrorist

01:11:33.940 communications, but we're not after them. We're after the bad guys. And it's not like we're

01:11:39.400 pulling, you know, Megyn Kelly's texts and reading them. We're basically just going to see her

01:11:42.720 metadata in the field of lots of metadata. And we accepted that post 9-11 because we were scared

01:11:48.060 shitless. I mean, we really had been attacked and 3,000 of our fellow Americans were killed in the

01:11:52.480 most brutal way possible. So we sacrificed a lot of our core beliefs back then. But it's been 25

01:11:57.880 years since 9-11. And to pretend that we still need this tool for the terrorists, all right,

01:12:04.800 like what? To prevent that from happening is bullshit. That's for us. And there should be 1.00

01:12:10.680 objections by the American public. But wait, I want to circle back. We went back to policy

01:12:15.320 and our governments. And I just want to stay on something about you. Because I read, I don't know

01:12:18.820 where i read it but your wife said to you or maybe gave you a written um was it a psalm a verse from

01:12:28.000 the bible about when we get persecuted we feel great joy something to that effect yes that's

01:12:32.660 from james one now i don't paint a picture of my wife as a devout christian she's very much a lapsed

01:12:37.400 catholic her family uh her father in particular is a very dedicated catholic uh but my wife you

01:12:43.000 know if anyone's suffering as a result of my christianity it's my wife and if anyone would

01:12:49.240 know if it were a performance it would be my wife um and but she did very uh beautifully when i was

01:12:56.180 going back for one of the preliminary hearings prior to my trial um made this beautiful painting

01:13:01.620 of a magnolia and a verse from james first in the new testament of one of james's letter for the first

01:13:07.620 chapter is uh we consider it great joy when we face trials of any kind what we're being invited

01:13:14.520 yes i love that so i i didn't do that you can i always always say this i say that to myself i

01:13:22.180 say to my staff i say to young people when i when i speak to them on college campuses

01:13:25.400 i confess it's it's a take on something i first heard many many moons ago from oprah winfrey

01:13:30.940 back when we liked her um but it was a good piece of advice and it was whenever something comes your

01:13:36.860 way that's hugely negative or a massive challenge, your first response should be, thank you.

01:13:42.680 Thank you. Because how do we grow? How do we evolve as human beings? How do we become,

01:13:47.200 you know, people with superhero muscles, emotional muscles, unless that stuff does come to us. If

01:13:53.100 that stuff never comes to us, we remain boring, rather uninformed, weak, unprepared for some

01:14:00.300 massive crisis that may be coming down the line. Each one of these that does get thrown to you,

01:14:04.920 as long as you don't even have to win.

01:14:07.060 I mean, I'm not talking about like,

01:14:08.260 okay, you go to prison for 10 years.

01:14:10.180 That's not, that's tough.

01:14:11.640 But my point is, if you just keep going,

01:14:15.100 if you just handle it,

01:14:15.980 if you don't stay in the fetal position in your bed,

01:14:17.880 it's already a win.

01:14:18.940 You've already grown.

01:14:19.820 It's a huge opportunity to evolve as a human.

01:14:22.480 And the bigger the challenge, the bigger the fear,

01:14:25.300 the bigger the opportunity.

01:14:26.620 Yes.

01:14:27.340 So I love what she wrote.

01:14:28.680 Yeah, that was-

01:14:29.280 She didn't write it originally,

01:14:30.180 but I love what she stitched.

01:14:31.720 Yeah, absolutely.

01:14:32.820 it is incredibly encouraging and precisely the wife that i'm i'm i deserve what i did

01:14:40.620 maybe i don't deserve no you must deserve her you must deserve her man thank god you wouldn't you

01:14:45.440 wouldn't have her if you didn't you know like what i think megan whether it's you or me or tucker

01:14:51.620 whoever or whoever there's this sense that in the end the technology that meant that you don't have

01:14:58.180 to work for fox no more you know you can work for serious if you want to and you can do partnerships

01:15:02.480 I don't work for Sirius, so they licensed my show.

01:15:05.800 Brokerage.

01:15:06.560 The power of the brokers has been diminished.

01:15:09.160 That's the real trend that's significant.

01:15:11.160 The information has been decentralized.

01:15:14.160 So either the political systems will have to learn to evolve and adapt and reflect this decentralization,

01:15:21.500 or perversely, they will constrict and try to legitimize more and more centralization and authoritarianism

01:15:28.680 and a kind of technological feudalism, a centralized control.

01:15:32.480 it's pretty clear that they've taken the latter path i think most people were temporarily excited

01:15:38.780 about mega nationalism because it seemed like in the powerful and as i say it is in crack figure

01:15:43.940 of donald trump there was at least a kind of stumbling block and maybe even a bulwark against

01:15:48.800 advancing global imperialism we're using the idea of care and protection more and more control was

01:15:56.080 being asserted we you have to sign this in order to do that we need you to carry this we're going

01:16:00.720 to eventually plant a chip under your skin all those things that were once the preserve of the

01:16:04.840 conspiracy theorist advancing into everyday life think about what you thought about what david

01:16:10.080 and alex jones were saying in the 90s and and and how you revered the new york times and bbc well

01:16:16.600 which direction is that needle moving in as we you know are there pedophile rings is there a

01:16:22.180 cultist power can we trust the mainstream narrative on the most important issues whether

01:16:27.560 it's wars or assassinations what i believe they fear most of all is that this ability to

01:16:33.260 instantaneously communicate will become politicized that ultimately people could have decentralized

01:16:39.620 communities and localized politics that you would have minimal government minimal intervention 0.92

01:16:46.460 maximum ability to run your community like the amish if you wanted or like gay people if you

01:16:53.020 wanted or like muslims if you wanted that you don't need the intervention of a global bureaucracy

01:16:58.800 anymore um i wanted to read this to you because you mentioned alex jones so he and i have a very

01:17:08.060 interesting history together but i have to tell you even even at our worst in terms of our fighting

01:17:12.980 i always said he he has been right about so much right we had our big would he attack you sometimes

01:17:19.160 or did you attack him?

01:17:20.200 No, he never attacked me.

01:17:21.200 It was-

01:17:21.360 You could do an attack once in a while.

01:17:23.060 I went, I can definitely do an attack,

01:17:25.240 but I went to interview him while I was at NBC

01:17:28.380 to do like an in-depth profile on him.

01:17:31.820 And it was not long after he had said

01:17:33.580 that the Newtown families made up

01:17:35.640 the murder of their children.

01:17:38.020 Oh.

01:17:38.660 So, you know, he was like very, very hot potato

01:17:41.480 to touch at the time,

01:17:42.640 but I thought it'd be an interesting profile.

01:17:44.240 And he had moved off of that.

01:17:46.640 So I kind of thought we were just going to do a profile

01:17:48.700 and Alex Jones. And we would touch on that, but it wouldn't be the theme of the piece because

01:17:52.860 he was interesting and he, I knew he had gotten a lot right. Anyway, we went there and he kept

01:17:59.140 doubling down on the Sandy Hook thing, which turned the whole piece into something that did

01:18:03.160 look more like a hit piece because I, of course I had to get contentious with him because that's

01:18:07.440 insane and wrong and it wasn't made up. Those kids were killed. So anyway, then he taped me,

01:18:13.620 He released it. It just was like his crazy, crazy ass shit time in my life. But having said all that, it's water under the bridge. And I've been watching what Alex Jones has been doing lately. And I actually really appreciate it. I think he's been doing great shows and his messaging around the whole Israel thing has been must see. And I mean, like, like I said, from the beginning, he's been right about a lot. 1.00

01:18:31.400 Just today, there was a big piece of news last night, I don't know if you saw,

01:18:36.320 Kash Patel announced that the Southern Poverty Law Center, the SPLC, which is supposed to be

01:18:41.960 this great group that protects, you know, America from racism and all the isms, like they'll be the

01:18:46.800 first to call you out if you're a terrible person so that everybody knows Russell's terrible,

01:18:50.360 Megan's terrible, stay away, they're this or that and the other thing, and then turned into just

01:18:54.640 this left-wing group that would bash anybody on the right. That's how it's been for years,

01:18:59.260 that they have been paying, paying members of the Ku Klux Klan, of the Aryan Brotherhood to go 0.81

01:19:07.840 infiltrate. They say, oh, it's just infiltrate. They're like inside sources. We didn't pay them

01:19:14.900 to create the event, just to infiltrate. That's not what the indictment says. And they've been

01:19:20.960 exposed now as basically paying the very people. They then look at their donors and say,

01:19:26.620 pay me to protect you from that person I'm paying. I'm going to use your money to pay him to cause

01:19:33.000 hell, including in Charlottesville, Virginia, at the Unite the Right rally that would just cause

01:19:39.900 a massive headache for President Trump from the beginning of his first term, where he said,

01:19:44.020 because there were skinheads there, but there were also people who were just pissed off that

01:19:47.360 we were pulling down statues of like Confederate generals or just even Christopher Columbus.

01:19:52.020 And Trump said, you know what? He said, not the white supremacists, but outside of them, there were very fine people on both sides. And that quote was used against him unfairly for many, many years and still is. Alex Jones. Okay, back in August of 2017, Charlottesville was a false flag run by Southern Poverty Law Center operatives who hired actors to pose as Nazis.

01:20:15.480 fucking the guy there i could give you so many of these by alex jones after we did my interview 0.88

01:20:22.220 with him where it did get contentious but i spent days with him he said so many things 0.99

01:20:27.300 and they they sounded crazy russell but we went back to the nbc fact-checking machine which is

01:20:32.420 good um nbc's biased but they're not reckless generally when it comes to like their reporting

01:20:37.480 don't get me wrong i understand what happened with russiagate and i'm not talking about msnbc

01:20:41.180 I'm talking about NBC.

01:20:42.680 They all came back true. 0.99

01:20:44.600 Everybody's like, he's a lunatic. 1.00

01:20:46.520 He says the frogs are turning gay and they're turning transgender. 1.00

01:20:49.660 We're like, he's a nutcase. 1.00

01:20:51.000 True, true, true, true, true. 0.67

01:20:52.600 It was amazing.

01:20:54.660 The Sandy Hook stuff was very, very wrong and untrue.

01:20:57.180 It must be said again. 0.98

01:20:58.280 In any event, he's on the list, right?

01:21:01.760 Like he's been, of course, due to his own behavior and due to just being right about

01:21:07.320 a lot of the stuff that they don't want out there, they've otherized him.

01:21:11.180 They've done it to Tucker.

01:21:12.540 They're in the process of trying to do it to me.

01:21:14.360 I'm a lot harder because I don't have the conspiratorial gene that a lot of these folks

01:21:19.420 have and their conspiracies in many places have turned out to be true.

01:21:23.000 So it's like, shame on me for not having more of one, but I just, I'm not built like

01:21:27.240 that.

01:21:27.380 I'm a lawyer.

01:21:27.880 I'm a linear thinker, very, very fact-based.

01:21:30.400 You know, I don't believe anything until it's really been proven to me with like facts I

01:21:33.360 can hold, but they're trying, like it's, they're trying to do it to me right now.

01:21:38.000 And, um, it's infuriating.

01:21:39.680 And now I'm much, much more suspicious about the narratives I've been sold about many, many other people, right?

01:21:44.580 Like, are they really crazy and conspiratorial or do they know something?

01:21:50.460 Have they hit on one of those soft spots that you're not allowed to touch?

01:21:54.580 It's very hard to stay present.

01:21:56.100 It's very hard to stay present and assess when you're being emotionally stimulated.

01:22:00.420 The whole culture is continually emotionally stimulated.

01:22:03.940 Sexual imagery, imagery of violence and fear.

01:22:07.260 these things create bewilderment and disorientation you shouldn't consume too much of it if any at all

01:22:14.260 as a matter of fact over time and right now ai and the internet are creating something that's akin

01:22:21.380 to a counterfeit consciousness remember carl jung saying that we have a collective unconscious it's

01:22:28.220 almost as if there's a repository for all of our thoughts it says that we are all participants in

01:22:33.380 the Holy Spirit that all of us can share in God's grace and presence right now. The eternity is not

01:22:39.920 just beyond time, but it is within and throughout time. Now, in creating this online internet space

01:22:45.360 where all consciousnesses and individuals can potentially interconnect with one another,

01:22:49.680 we've created a kind of facsimile or counterfeit of a psyche. The psyche is generating the kind

01:22:57.160 of shadow archetypes that jung himself spoke about and because we live in this materialistic

01:23:03.440 secular culture we don't have the language or even the diagnostic tools to recognize these types 0.90

01:23:09.820 the dark woman that will tell you truths that people don't want to hear and uncomfortable about 0.90

01:23:15.980 the ranting preacher that might say things that are sometimes crazy or prophetic have you looked

01:23:22.400 at the prophetic language in the bible but has a great many truths to tell us the thoughtful

01:23:27.880 khan the meaty solid warrior that thoughtfully pontificates and interrogates people our internet

01:23:37.040 online new media space is like a new consciousness inhabited with people like you and me and tucker

01:23:43.980 that have lived for a while in the old media and then these other creatures that came from the

01:23:48.300 periphery or were born within it but there are great truths that are being told by you with your

01:23:53.700 understanding of litigation and systems of justice media you have a great deal to offer tucker with

01:24:00.120 his background there that's sort of deep deep embedded in systems of state and power and media

01:24:05.680 and journalism those outlier characters like jones you can see that guy when he's i don't know 25 or

01:24:11.280 30 turning up protesting against wars telling us way before 9-11 that it was going to happen and

01:24:16.980 who was going to have done it if you dismiss that person or if you condemn that person or if you try

01:24:21.980 to control or shut down that person there may be reasons for it but those reasons are not going to

01:24:26.740 be for your protection and again another useful paradigm for understanding this is what was the

01:24:31.600 entire mentality behind the pandemic we have to take these medicines and we have to go into our

01:24:37.660 homes because life is sacred and we have to protect each other no matter what we especially have to

01:24:43.740 protect the vulnerable. Well, where else do you see them operating and governing in order to

01:24:49.820 protect the vulnerable? I don't see it. I see exploitation and I see control. Whenever they

01:24:54.640 come to you saying that they want to protect you, they actually want to control you. And you know

01:24:58.380 from your own life as a parent or someone who loves anybody, the protection and control are

01:25:02.640 on a spectrum. I want to protect my children. And part of that is I have to control them. But we are

01:25:07.080 children of God. We are not children of the state. The state tells you there is no God. The empire

01:25:12.920 tells you that nothing is real if it can't be measured and then it acts like a god it wants to

01:25:18.000 control every aspect of your life and like god it wants you to come innocently like little children

01:25:22.140 it wants to determine right and wrong even something like wokeism and if a couple of times

01:25:26.880 you've said that i'm sort of right wing and i would like to say that i don't agree with those

01:25:30.100 taxonomies or labels anymore i'm a follower of jesus and if more people follow jesus i believe

01:25:36.800 the world will just naturally improve because as c.s lewis said if you have lawyers that are

01:25:41.600 christian they'll they'll run the law in a christian way if you have media commentators

01:25:46.080 they're christian they'll do their job every role could do with christ being in charge of it

01:25:50.960 now what i see when you live in an anti-christ world where you deny connection where you deny

01:25:55.320 eternal life where you deny the love of god where you say you're just a you're an insignificant set

01:25:59.960 of molecules in infinite space that somehow has evolved to the point where it's even able to make

01:26:04.960 that assessment which is one of the great paradoxes of atheism of course that the instrument with

01:26:09.460 which you've deduced there is no meaning is itself a result of these meaningless procedures. How can

01:26:15.700 you ever make such an assessment? While telling us they do that, that they can do that, their

01:26:20.380 rationalism always leads you to the same place, whether it's the bombast and, you know, let's face

01:26:25.780 it, media brilliance of Donald Trump, or the kind of sterile charisma of Barack Obama. It always

01:26:32.560 leads to them being in control, you needing them, you paying too much tax, you ceding too much

01:26:40.460 control. Police forces that are disoriented and exhausted and not respected and not living in

01:26:47.160 the communities that they're policing. We can change all of it. We can change it with ideas

01:26:52.340 that people purportedly believe in already. We've got people in government telling us that they're

01:26:56.960 Christian. Let's see the Christianity. We've got people. Get back to that. Let's do it. And people 0.99

01:27:01.640 running every country in the world more or less that say they believe in democracy democracy if

01:27:06.960 it doesn't mean that we govern in accordance with the will of the people means nothing what

01:27:11.940 democracy means i have been taught these days is these institutions that we control constitute

01:27:18.720 democracy we're going to put them all around the world and control them there right we could have

01:27:23.660 democracy the technology exists i mean look we thought we we thought we were getting that when

01:27:27.600 we elected Trump and we thought that. Did you? Yeah, I did. I don't know. Maybe I'm naive. I'm

01:27:32.360 old, but I'm naive. I just thought that Trump really meant it when he promised to buck the

01:27:37.220 system. He promised he couldn't be bought. He was bought. I mean, like the Miriam Maddelson,

01:27:42.460 $250 million bought him on Iran and Israel. And he's doing exactly what she wanted him to do.

01:27:49.240 He was manipulated by Netanyahu. She's thrilled. This is not what his base wanted. And it's 0.76

01:27:55.100 unfortunate i didn't think trump could be bought i really believed that he couldn't it's hugely

01:27:59.820 disappointing and i feel as many do which is it's a betrayal um a lot of my audience disagrees with

01:28:05.820 me and i understand their pov too but um that's how i feel on trump what do you think they love

01:28:12.140 about trump still once the migration from america first politics becomes evident what what is it

01:28:19.500 the charisma the figure because what i like about him is his energy i was like trump was coming into

01:28:24.240 when i for 2015 i was like this guy's crazy that's ridiculous it's not possible but the second time

01:28:28.460 but i liked it the the the central powers didn't get what they wanted i liked that same as with

01:28:33.700 brexit i don't care about brexit eu not eu i don't care about admin but what i like is when you see

01:28:38.420 the people not behave as they're supposed to i love that but what is it this time what's happened

01:28:43.620 megan and what and people that still love him what is it that they still love there's a lot

01:28:49.940 I think his sense of humor is very endearing, is very charming, and, you know, he can actually be very self-deprecating, which is charming, too, especially given the amount of power that he has. 0.89

01:29:00.900 I think the amount of shit that's been thrown at him and his unwillingness to stay down, you know, he just gets back up no matter what people do to him. 0.95

01:29:09.680 I mean, they tried to put him in jail multiple times. 1.00

01:29:11.820 They tried to ruin his family.

01:29:13.100 They tried to kill him.

01:29:15.020 You know, I mean, so much has happened to him, and he just keeps going.

01:29:17.820 Like, you just cannot stand him down.

01:29:19.940 And that's very admirable.

01:29:21.920 For most of his time in the public eye, he has had all the right enemies.

01:29:25.900 You know, he stood up against the race dogma, the trans dogma, the xenophobe dogma about having a southern border in a way that was very admirable.

01:29:36.380 And we needed desperately because we were losing those wars.

01:29:39.240 You know, the woke thing was taking over in every department with our children, with our lives and our employment.

01:29:45.120 And Trump was the bulwark against it, saying, hell no.

01:29:48.680 And he had this sheer strength and power to turn it all around. He really did. Like, you know, it was like the parting of the seas. Like, I will just make this happen despite all odds with my immense power.

01:30:00.820 so all of that has been you know just inspirational inspirational i think many of us just like trump

01:30:09.360 you know we like his personality but then the other truth of it is there are aspects of his

01:30:15.280 personality which are obviously not good and that we've mostly just chosen to overlook you know he's

01:30:20.940 not a moral man he's obviously not the greatest husband in the world um and he's extremely petty

01:30:26.380 and thin-skinned, extremely petty and thin-skinned. And what we're seeing right now is he's churning

01:30:31.340 on his most loyal supporters because they don't support this war and getting in bed with people 0.98

01:30:38.340 who fucking hate him and have hated him from the beginning and were the original never-Trumpers 0.98

01:30:42.700 as though that's what MAGA is. That's what his core support should look like. Meanwhile, 0.98

01:30:48.020 there are many who are over here who have loved Trump for many, many years. We've had our skirmishes

01:30:52.320 in the past. Tucker's had skirmishes with him. I have too, but who fought harder than a lot of

01:30:57.700 others during the law fair against him to make sure people knew that it was bullshit, stood up

01:31:02.520 for him during the actual electoral contest to make sure people understood what was at stake and 0.69

01:31:07.160 why he had to be the choice, who he just, you know, there's no loyalty in return ever from Trump,

01:31:13.060 ever. If you have a principled disagreement with something he does, you're otherized,

01:31:17.800 You're the enemy. And at this particular moment, he's alienating so many of his core supporters, biggest believers and boosters and running to people who have not been able to stand him for 10 years, like a Mark Levin or a Ben Shapiro, who actively was against Trump.

01:31:36.300 He was a total DeSantis guy. He only went on board with Trump when DeSantis was, of course, toast and he had no choice but to save his audience and get on board with a Republican nominee.

01:31:46.720 Whatever. It's it's it is what it is. You know, it is what it is. But there's still, in my view, a lot to like about Trump.

01:31:54.060 It's just some of those darker demons are much more in the front view right now because he's like a cornered animal.

01:32:00.900 He's got no support in this Iran war. He can't bring it to an end. These are tough motherfuckers who are not doing what we want them to and coming to the negotiating table and giving us what we want so we can get out and just declare it a win. He sees his poll numbers are now his latest poll approval on Iran was 30 at 30 percent. I mean, his job approval in like the last five polls has been in the low 30s, low 30s. 0.58

01:32:23.500 So his legacy is on the line and you can tell he can tell. So he's acting out in a very, very bad way. And I my prayer every night, every night, Russell, is that he will get back on track. He will reconnect with what, you know, the agenda that we put him in office to enact.

01:32:40.580 He will extract himself from this very money driven agenda by the Miriam Adelsons of the world.

01:32:47.200 You know, she's purchasing what she wants and Trump's being manipulated into doing it, which is infuriating.

01:32:52.980 And that the country, or at least those of us who are on what I call team sanity, can come back together and work to defeat these crazy leftists like James Carville, who wants to pack the Supreme Court and add Puerto Rico and D.C. as states.

01:33:04.440 Right. Like the Republicans will never win another national election if we do that.

01:33:08.480 Anyway, it's a very tumultuous time.

01:33:11.460 It sounded like you, points feel like personally betrayed as an advocate for Trump and at other times ideologically betrayed.

01:33:21.020 And with this, with this war, some of the larger points I've seen sort of play out over a long time,

01:33:27.920 because I don't have anything like the granular detail or the journalistic excellence that you've just displayed in describing that.

01:33:33.460 But from my sort of more vague and hazy perspective, like what I've seen, I've just seen people saying,

01:33:38.300 oh well trump always had those views about iran trump always said that's what they say that's what

01:33:42.880 they say and other and the oh iran if they were ever to develop a nuclear capacity now for me

01:33:48.900 those arguments seem um in one case irrelevant that he's always felt it and in the second instance

01:33:54.320 um it very similar to the weapons of mass destruction argument that was used that's it

01:34:00.420 exactly so i wonder then what is this force this power that is so sufficient that it would

01:34:07.980 evil see don't you sometimes think with great leaders and great people all it is is just for

01:34:12.360 a moment they're the temporary conductor you know churchill very fallible broken alcoholic 0.71

01:34:18.020 depressive lunatic who not necessarily lunatic but for for a moment was able to carry world 0.73

01:34:24.520 opposition against us the best we can understand this great force for evil so with trump what do 0.93

01:34:31.000 you suppose is happening do you think bought in a sort of a financial and economic way do you think

01:34:36.700 compromised in the post-Epstein world. We all have to assume that it seems that people

01:34:41.500 largely are. What is this power that is so large that it can wrangle this gargantuan male away

01:34:51.680 from what seemed to be his evident trajectory to at least continue to consolidate a very large

01:34:58.260 group of supporters? I mean, I think on Israel, in the Republican Party, there's never been any

01:35:03.600 downside to being 100% pro-Israel. From the time I started at Fox News in 2004 until only very

01:35:09.960 recently, in the Republican Party, there was no downside to saying you were 100% on Team Israel,

01:35:15.940 to promote Israel, to go visit Israel, to take money from AIPAC. No one in the Republican

01:35:21.620 politics would ever second-guess it or judge it. It's only been more recent because, well,

01:35:28.680 I mean, Gaza. I mean, that's really one of the main things. It was happening on the left prior

01:35:32.200 to Gaza. But the violence that Israel unleashed on civilians in Gaza just got to pass the point

01:35:38.900 where you could overlook it as a friend who was like looking at your friend who got attacked

01:35:43.700 viciously on 10-7 and trying to look the other way. Like some of these civilian casualties are

01:35:47.940 going to happen. It's war. It happened when we did wars, too. But like to the point where it's like,

01:35:52.580 geez, like this is out of control. Like it defended you a lot of times on the genocide claim,

01:35:58.940 you know, tens of thousands more and more and more. You're kind of undermining my ability to

01:36:04.760 root for you, never mind defend you. And I think Republicans started to feel it to young Republicans

01:36:09.660 first, and they started to migrate away from Israel. So the stakes changed like this ardent

01:36:14.840 support of Israel no longer became totally acceptable within Republican politics. And the

01:36:19.540 coalition that was totally pro Israel started to fracture. The Democrats left, the independents

01:36:24.160 left, the Republicans started to trickle away with the youth first going entirely, entirely.

01:36:29.320 And now the only people who really support Israel are senior citizen Republicans. People basically

01:36:35.120 were 65 or around there or older and Republican. Those are the ones who are still pro-Israel, 0.50

01:36:40.040 which includes Trump. And he didn't get it. Like he did not have his finger on the pulse of where

01:36:45.280 the party was on Israel. And still, I think, thought he could do something that would be

01:36:50.680 great for Israel, which is start a war with Iran, and it would go over well, that his core base 0.94

01:36:56.560 would applaud him for it. And I believe him, that he never wanted Iran to have a nuclear weapon. I 0.76

01:37:01.660 think those statements were sincere. But more than that, he promised no new wars and no wars

01:37:07.080 in the Middle East, which last time I checked includes Iran. And so, but if Trump had looked

01:37:11.360 at us and said, and Tulsi Gabbard had looked at us, and Joe Kent had looked at us, and the IAEA 0.60

01:37:16.980 had looked at us and said, Iran is within a month of getting a nuclear bomb, the country would have

01:37:21.620 stood behind Trump. We would have believed them, but that's not what happened. The IAEA and Tulsi

01:37:28.320 and Joe Kent, they all said, no, they're not. They don't have the capacity to get a nuclear

01:37:32.680 bomb. They're nowhere close to getting a nuclear bomb. And by the way, those strikes we did last

01:37:37.160 June were very effective in dismantling whatever nuclear program they had, whether it was civilian

01:37:41.360 or not. And they'd been enriching beyond civilian needs. So it wasn't true that they were about to

01:37:47.040 get it. If it had been, the country would have gotten behind him and we would have looked at

01:37:50.720 that secret escape hatch from no new wars of unless Iran's about to get a nuclear weapon. 0.87

01:37:55.420 It wasn't true. He used that that excuse that he had always said they can't have a nuclear bomb

01:38:02.980 to do what Netanyahu wanted him to do and what Netanyahu convinced Trump to do,

01:38:09.120 which was to start a war with them. And he did that because he was razzle dazzled by Netanyahu

01:38:14.280 into believing that the Ayatollah is going to be above ground. So we're stop emissaries. We can

01:38:18.480 take them out. They tried to kill you. Now you can get him before he gets you. It'll be like 1.00

01:38:22.720 Venezuela. You'll get in, you'll get out. You'll be a hero. You'll change the whole world because 1.00

01:38:26.920 a kinder, gentler Jeb Bartlett type is going to take over in Iran and be the new Ayatollah,

01:38:31.640 the sweet, loving one who sends his cookies upon his ascension. And Trump listened. Netanyahu

01:38:38.480 who played him like a fiddle. He played to his hubris, which is exactly how you're supposed to

01:38:43.000 manipulate Trump. All these world leaders know it. Look how they bend the knee at NATO now.

01:38:47.360 You know, it's ridiculous. Oh, my daddy, our daddy. It's like, oh, my God. That's what they 0.97

01:38:51.900 do. Look at the look at the cabinet members at the cabinet meetings. Oh, thanks to you,

01:38:56.960 Mr. President. It's like they all have to kiss his ass before they give their updates because 0.99

01:39:01.960 they're trying to manipulate him into keeping them in their roles and into liking them. And 1.00

01:39:06.920 that's all well and good it never really bothered me that much i don't love it but it doesn't

01:39:10.220 but when it's working to start wars it's deeply problematic and it's how we got in this mess

01:39:16.920 with people i say thomas massey who would have long contested this would play out in this manner

01:39:22.440 or any average pick a random democrat that would have said if well don't you remember what they're

01:39:28.640 saying is if you vote for trump it's going to bring about global annihilation and well all of

01:39:33.480 the you know um what they what they call trump derangement syndrome now do you say that your

01:39:39.380 adjustment is as a result of action and therefore legitimate and anyone like whether it's you or

01:39:44.260 tucker or candace or people whose opinions matter in this country uh you have a responsibility to

01:39:49.660 alter your perspective on the basis of new information and evidence or do you can or is

01:39:56.480 there a concession to be made to those people that prior to trump point two oh however you say

01:40:01.720 thing were saying you can't have this guy in chaheed and ask us you know all of the stuff that

01:40:05.860 they said do you feel any of that or is it like because where i am not that you've asked but like

01:40:12.140 you know just to add this is that we all feel that politicians like barack obama netanyahu tony

01:40:18.760 bler not we all some people feel that those people are kind of whether they're the sort of

01:40:23.040 compromised political class that is epitomized by the epstein stuff or not there is some way that

01:40:30.260 they are controlled that's what people feel they're controlled they're not really in charge

01:40:34.780 there's a set of powers that are beyond and behind them and maybe it's a cultist maybe not

01:40:38.980 difficult to corroborate who knows where do you stand on that and do you not feel what do you feel

01:40:46.540 now like where do we go now because you're not gonna get another trump you're not gonna get

01:40:51.400 another populist like that yeah so like where do you put your political vigor and influence

01:40:58.000 in light of all this well i certainly am not thinking gee we should have gone with kamala

01:41:03.220 yeah at all i mean because as as upset as many of us are about this war trump closed the border

01:41:09.740 which saved countless lives trump did issue a bunch of his executive orders on the trans issue

01:41:16.180 which saved a bunch of children's lives um and you know trump eddie hhs that's all good huge

01:41:23.000 i mean we could do more i have to be honest like there's more that kennedy could do

01:41:26.300 So stand by. Let's leave it there. I'm going to take a break, do an ad, and we're going to pick

01:41:31.820 back up on the opposite side with Russell Brand by his book, How to Become a Christian in Seven

01:41:36.140 Days. He sticks around. Quick break first. We are back now with Russell Brand. His new book is

01:41:42.780 How to Become a Christian in Seven Days. It's out now. Go get it on tuckercarlson.com because this

01:41:50.920 is the first of the new tucker imprints so we were talking about trump when we last left off

01:41:56.380 which is that's all we've been talking about for 10 years like trump dominates every thought and

01:42:01.780 every conversation but what were you trying to ask me i'm trying to ask you anything i was

01:42:06.080 successfully asking you sorry where do you put your political enthusiasm if you've been disabused

01:42:11.520 of the notion that any political leader no matter how charismatic and demagogic is gonna achieve

01:42:17.620 anything ultimately that they will ultimately be subsumed by some invisible interest to appear to

01:42:23.000 steer world power what do you yeah and you were saying could it happen to like a thomas massey

01:42:27.060 i actually don't think it could happen to a thomas massey i don't think it could happen to a rant

01:42:30.740 paul no i was using thomas massey as an example of someone that sort of trod the line like that

01:42:35.740 guy he's no this is my views this is my views i'm this they're trying to buy me i'm not doing it

01:42:40.500 like someone that's sort of shown kind of an integrity and i mean integrity in the sense of

01:42:44.500 he's remained sort of in alignment with...

01:42:46.880 And I think there was a red flag on Trump

01:42:48.280 because what was he at heart?

01:42:49.680 A dealmaker.

01:42:50.740 Right.

01:42:51.340 He's been a dealmaker his whole life.

01:42:53.360 And that should have been maybe more of a red flag

01:42:56.420 that he would say,

01:42:58.700 there's no core principles in there

01:43:00.360 that are driving him on most issues.

01:43:03.920 Like there were a couple,

01:43:05.040 like I do believe he's against illegal immigration. 0.73

01:43:09.960 I do believe he saw genuine concerns

01:43:12.180 around the trade war

01:43:13.720 in manufacturing and what China was doing.

01:43:16.600 I think that was sincere

01:43:17.480 and we've seen him try to do something about that.

01:43:21.680 He's got sincere beliefs about doing business

01:43:24.880 with other nations and how we can make America richer.

01:43:28.100 And I think like all that glad handing he did

01:43:30.360 with his Saudi Arabia summit where he's like,

01:43:32.360 yeah, you're gonna invest in America, great.

01:43:34.040 We're all gonna get rich.

01:43:34.960 We don't have to like hate each other anymore.

01:43:36.280 I think that was sincere.

01:43:37.560 But that deal maker thing is probably

01:43:39.840 what got us into trouble on the Iran thing.

01:43:42.420 So I don't know.

01:43:42.880 I rarely put my faith in politicians.

01:43:45.700 I'm not sure I ever really totally put it in Trump.

01:43:48.140 I fell in love with Trump's professional promises to us.

01:43:50.700 Like I really believed he would close the border. 0.99

01:43:53.440 He would kick out the illegals, 1.00

01:43:57.000 that he would stop the trans mania. 0.97

01:43:59.960 I believe that he would crack down on crime 1.00

01:44:01.640 to the extent you can at the federal level.

01:44:03.800 And I have to say he's lived up to those promises,

01:44:06.000 except for the deportations.

01:44:08.140 He has closed the border. 0.97

01:44:09.220 He has done a lot on trans.

01:44:10.220 He has tried to do what a president can on crime.

01:44:12.880 And I'm grateful for all those things. But, you know, this other stuff, Epstein, Iran, the economy have been pretty disastrous. 0.64

01:44:21.260 OK, so it's like you are quite objective. And while I'm listening to you, I'm remembering that famous moment, I think, in the primaries race where he said red eyes and red blood coming out of my eyes and out of my wherever.

01:44:32.140 So it's a kind of like that's a kind of one of the most memorable and whoa, Trump kind of pop culture moments.

01:44:39.440 But now from a it seems from a well versed, studied and journalistic perspective, you're saying that Trump isn't fulfilling his pledge to his voter base.

01:44:49.980 And what I'm curious about is the problem we have, Megan, as content creators, is that we can just live in the mad vicissitudes of never-ending conflict and just sort of find a path through it.

01:45:02.640 Someone's telling me, oh, a lot of people think that Tucker has become more expressive or condemnatory of Trump and in particular regarding foreign policy in Israel, obviously.

01:45:13.280 There's a kind of a tactical move.

01:45:14.840 There's a strategic move.

01:45:15.860 It's worth garnering audience.

01:45:17.080 That's a lie.

01:45:17.520 I really don't feel that either.

01:45:19.980 about tucker at all or anyone actually or you know people we're discussing but so but what i'm

01:45:26.060 i'm trying to ask and i suppose now i am trying to ask is like where do you put your enthusiasm

01:45:31.800 now because 28 jd vance like where do you go okay but this time because me i can't i've reverted to

01:45:41.140 where i was as a kid and a smackhead a drug addict saying you can't trust any of them because there

01:45:47.580 are systems that control them and it doesn't matter how as long as these systems are fundamentally

01:45:51.240 controlled by the same interests whether they're global bureaucratic yeah or deep state call that

01:45:55.260 being blackpilled so where do we as if that if we're blackpilled then and me as a follower of

01:46:01.500 jesus and you're christian hey yeah where right so where do we go where do we go when it comes

01:46:07.640 to advocacy what are you saying well the next the next step is relative evils oh great well i don't

01:46:13.580 like that. I know it's unfortunate, but that's the next logical step because it is a binary system

01:46:19.140 that one of them is going to ascend to power and you have to choose the lesser of two evils. That's

01:46:25.260 really what it's always been about. You know, I mean, even with Trump, you know, he asked me to

01:46:31.440 come speak for him and, and, you know, go to that rally and sort of endorse him the night before the

01:46:36.200 vote. And I, I did wrestle with it, but something inside of me told me you have to do it because I

01:46:42.240 knew, I knew we'd be in far worse shape if Kamala Harris won. She could not win. There was just

01:46:47.420 absolutely no way we could allow that. So it wasn't like I love and adore Trump. You know,

01:46:53.620 personally, he and I have always had a friction between us. You know, it's been very complicated

01:46:59.760 between us for many, many years, which is good. I would take complicated. I'm a journalist. You

01:47:05.140 know, I never wanted to be his bootlicker and I never have been. I never have been. He and I have

01:47:10.280 had ups and downs and i've been critical at times and very very promotional at other times um but i

01:47:17.020 knew that he was better than she was yeah and i still feel like we'll have to make that choice

01:47:21.920 next time around but look i i have voted in nine presidential elections um five of them i voted

01:47:29.840 republican and four of them i voted democrat and they have it wasn't all like the four when i was

01:47:34.660 super young you know like i am a true independent i will make up my mind based on the person who

01:47:40.860 gets the nomination and go from there and what what does the country look like what are the

01:47:45.060 issues that are really important right now but but megan from where we are now what level of

01:47:50.100 independence does that demonstrate really when surely what we have agreed on is that there is

01:47:54.860 no meaningful transaction taking place in the tension of a bipartisan system who but take what

01:48:02.360 i just said like what if your top issue is and my my two top issues were the border and the trans

01:48:07.500 thing and trump did a good job on those um i'd like the deportations to to happen but like we've 0.99

01:48:13.400 made so much progress on the trans thing we're not we are still cutting off the penises of little 0.96

01:48:17.240 boys but not as often as as we used to i did one this morning and the the whole the whole messaging 0.89

01:48:25.200 around it has changed the olympics changed this is all thanks to trump all these hospitals are

01:48:30.420 stopping the procedures. That's thanks to Trump. So we've gotten something.

01:48:34.500 But compared to potential Armageddon and yielding to perhaps the supreme forces that

01:48:40.000 ultimately control the world, those are pyrrhic victories indeed.

01:48:43.680 Somebody had to ascend. So what are you going to do? Like completely

01:48:47.080 withdraw from the process altogether? Seed the arguments? Let the Democrats make two new states

01:48:54.480 so we'll never see a Republican in national power again? Like, no, I have to fight those battles.

01:48:58.520 what if the can we not generate new battles by proposing radical systemic change and the radical

01:49:08.060 decentralization of political power i'm asking you this because i have to get rid of the two-party

01:49:13.180 system yeah the first thing you'd have to do is get rid of the two-party primary system cool just

01:49:17.840 do that i mean like you know it's like you know why are people not acknowledging that if the

01:49:21.840 technology exists for all of us to carry digital id essentially 70 of the global population to get

01:49:27.480 vaccinated overnight from either a made up or potentially not as threatening as it was presented

01:49:32.500 disease then why don't we collectively particularly people that have extraordinary sway and indeed if

01:49:39.280 you are about to face extraordinary attacks it's precisely as a result of the influence and impact

01:49:44.660 you could have why i'm curious genuinely it's a real question because i'm trying to understand it

01:49:48.640 myself what if these voices in independent media became overtly and deliberately active in politics

01:49:56.240 Doesn't that have the extraordinary salve of resolving these cultural issues instantly, i.e. if there is a community that wants to be run in accordance with Sharia law within some state somewhere, then allow them to democratically do it.

01:50:14.580 if there is a community that want to have a sort of a trans utopia allow them to do it however in

01:50:21.660 these communities we want to maximally run them in accordance with these principles in a sense 0.98

01:50:27.760 what is the point of nations of this size and scale do you not consider that the rise of

01:50:35.000 nationalism was itself a response to globalism and people beginning to sense that there was no

01:50:41.200 national national sovereignty in france or in germany or in sri lanka or in the united states

01:50:45.900 of america and if you look at trends like for example the rise of agricultural protests it's

01:50:50.080 an indication that through global bureaucratic edicts they're trying to control food sourcing

01:50:55.320 and indeed then if there is a global problem perhaps because of the miracle of this new

01:51:01.620 communication in which you are a leader that we could be advocating not just for a different

01:51:07.760 incumbent in a corrupt system but a different system entirely and it's not that long ago 250

01:51:14.340 years or wherever it was since the establishment of your great country that even when the war of

01:51:18.980 independence was won against the other country don't remember who lost it but i'm sure they had

01:51:22.520 some good points and a reasonable king who was not syphilitic syphilitic and mad um they that many

01:51:29.600 isn't it patrick henry what said we've got to go further you're too much centralization

01:51:34.180 empower states and then the states empower communities and the communities empower the

01:51:38.320 individual and you have to end don't the don't the problem of donation has to end lobbying has

01:51:44.840 to end unless you make those kind of proposals unless you make the position of leadership a

01:51:50.180 position of service so that you don't even attract just smaller or just smaller whatever

01:51:55.520 possible yeah much much smaller de-ideologize it like look i i love your optimism i guess i'm just

01:52:01.780 a cynical mofo at heart where I'm like, that's never going to happen. I'm a little cynical on

01:52:06.780 this front. I just feel like there's too much money. There are too many entrenched interests

01:52:12.500 that control all of this that I feel no cogs in the wheel are going to change it. But maybe I'm

01:52:18.340 wrong. Maybe I should be more optimistic. No cogs in the wheel. But I will say one thing to your

01:52:22.140 point. I think that this little ecosystem of independent voices is important. People are

01:52:29.580 getting killed for it yeah yeah exactly people are getting shot dead in public because of the

01:52:34.240 impact it seems to me people are having their reputations tarnished i think precisely because

01:52:38.300 of that so what my interest is is like why are we pretending that we are at an advantage when

01:52:46.640 you centralize power of course there are areas where central coordination it is beneficial but

01:52:53.120 we're at the possible but the principle ought be decentralization and democracy these are not new

01:52:58.140 ideas if the technology that existed today existed when this nation was founded how much would they

01:53:04.820 how much power would they have afforded at the local level they would have afforded more yeah

01:53:09.480 now that technology does that of course was the original ideal anyway that was the whole goal of

01:53:14.840 having these little states that were experimental and a very small national federal government

01:53:20.320 that would we'd all join and that would be sort of we'd have some basic ideals that would be

01:53:24.460 enforced at that level, but that each state could have its own personality and its own laws and

01:53:29.240 its own culture. That was always the vision for America. It's only as the country went on that we

01:53:35.460 got a more bloated and empowered federal government that we then ceded a bunch of powers, you know,

01:53:41.000 from the congressional branch, which is the people's representative to the executive branch.

01:53:45.140 It's gotten bigger and bigger under Obama, under Biden, and now under Trump. I'd love to get back

01:53:52.360 to where we have a very, very, very tiny disempowered executive who really can't do 1.00

01:53:58.620 much. Yeah, that'd be great. That would be much more consistent with the way the founders wanted 0.97

01:54:02.360 the country to be run. And now with the technology that we have, that flow, that charge could be

01:54:07.240 reversed. It's absolutely possible that people could participate in democracy in the when I've

01:54:11.860 had to do it, like in 12 step groups that I'm a member of, they're democratic, and it's slow,

01:54:16.900 and it's boring. And it doesn't matter how well you think you talk or how charismatic you think

01:54:21.640 you are you you only have one vote and you only have one voice and so if they're gonna if they

01:54:26.320 want a coffee machine they'll get one if they don't want a coffee machine they won't get one

01:54:29.840 it's humbling and it's cohesive and he has no favorites our lord he sees us all you're all just

01:54:36.040 my kids i love you all i made you perfect an individual you're exactly as you're meant to be

01:54:39.520 and then we won't dislocate into bizarre crazes like wokeism the important principle of kindness

01:54:46.080 and compassion we know that our lord if he were here would love people that were confused and

01:54:51.140 broken and concerned and trying to align their inner self with an outer world that they felt

01:54:55.300 didn't understand them we know that the broken that were lost in the fentanyl crisis would find

01:55:00.700 comfort in him i feel that he has to have the government resting on his shoulders we can't let

01:55:07.320 human beings run society through rationalism with the idea that human authority and the human mind

01:55:13.440 is the supreme system of judgment and i feel like i know what i'm asking actually because i don't

01:55:20.420 know anything what the last few years has taught me is how little i know about anything but what

01:55:23.840 i'm wondering oh my god same why not have dissolve dissolve power wherever possible

01:55:30.400 wherever possible allow people to run their own communities locally grow food locally do not put

01:55:36.940 poisonous substances into food or water or the air do not try to control nature have independence

01:55:44.240 when it comes to the manufacturing of your food and utilities lose your obsession and fixation

01:55:49.480 with gadgets and endless progress it's not going to answer the problem even the mad and giddy 0.69

01:55:55.080 progress and ascent of the false gods of neuralink et al will come tumbling down eventually we are

01:56:02.400 made to be custodians and stewards to the land and we're here to love one another and these ideas 0.67

01:56:08.100 are perfectly expressed and the miracle of my christianity let me for one second talk about

01:56:11.880 this book and not do my trial practice which you have been very good at thank you for being a

01:56:16.180 compassionate and judicious interrogator when it's come to those complex matters but what i really

01:56:21.080 want to say is that the reason i became christian is because what i had learned as an addict in

01:56:26.300 recovery that this world can never give you what you think it can give you not through drugs not

01:56:30.560 through sex not through fame not through approval applause or anything christ has it for you already

01:56:36.100 and he's waiting to give it to you and i thought i was so smart i thought i was so smart i'm

01:56:42.520 counter-cultural. Before you were talking about red pills and blue pills, I'd already taken so

01:56:47.500 many hallucinogens. I'd seen through all of the veils and walls of your phony systems.

01:56:53.000 Then I read that book, the holy book. I read the Bible. And what does it say in there throughout

01:56:57.840 the New Testament? Be careful in this world. The devil's in control. It's fallen into the control

01:57:02.480 of someone who's going to create systems that seem like God's kingdom, but they're actually

01:57:06.440 false, completely false. Don't trust any leaders. They're all broken and fallen. Even the wisest

01:57:11.920 kings we've ever had may fall into corruption and concubines and idiocy because of hubris because 0.98

01:57:18.640 of vanity vanity all is vanity what do i learn in there that god loves us so much that not only does 0.95

01:57:24.100 he create us to be in relationship with one another that he is willing to absorb all of our

01:57:28.100 sins and our brokenness and the worst things you could say about yourself and think about yourself

01:57:31.800 he knows them all and he loves you anyway and it doesn't matter if you think you're born in the

01:57:36.540 wrong body and it doesn't matter if you think you don't fit in with this tribe or that tribe or you

01:57:39.660 don't fit in or you don't belong he loves you he made you to be as you are and we can't outsource

01:57:45.080 power anymore to ideologues who don't understand the most basic principles of unison we are all 0.85

01:57:52.080 his son he loves all of us he don't want us hating muslims he don't want us hating gay people or

01:57:56.320 trans people or people south of the border or north of the border he wants us to be one family

01:58:01.000 and reason decoupled from the divine leads to a kind of insanity but reason is a perfect and 0.81

01:58:07.120 beautiful tool for organizing resources if we recognize our place as his children. But when

01:58:12.460 we start to clamber above him, which, by the way, was the flaw of Satan, Satan's self, the fallen

01:58:17.620 one who wants to run his own counterfeit kingdom, who thinks there is no God, who poses as a God,

01:58:22.320 then we get into very, very deep trouble. So I don't even really care if this book gets read or

01:58:29.500 not read or creates one Christian or no Christians or many, many Christians. All I'm really interested

01:58:35.820 in is participating in something truthful and valuable. Even when I come on your podcast,

01:58:40.280 I don't want to sit here and try and persuade people that I am something that I'm not,

01:58:43.620 although it wasn't something that other people say I am. I'm going to die. You're going to die.

01:58:47.580 We're all going to die. That's the truth of our situation. Now, while we're here, 0.99

01:58:53.000 do you want to stay in some stupid fetishized hatred or do you want to participate in the 1.00

01:58:59.100 coming of his kingdom, which is what you are called to do? And if ideas occur to you that 1.00

01:59:04.740 might bring that about don't be afraid to openly share them don't be afraid to notice that the

01:59:09.880 technology that you vote for pop idols or x factors or some dumb thing for could be used to

01:59:15.300 say i don't want to have a war with iran i don't want one i'm not sending you my taxes i'm not

01:59:22.300 doing that anymore we're not being radical enough we're not being christian enough we've forgotten

01:59:28.900 who the god is that died for us you have to be bold and you have to be willing to die for it

01:59:34.280 And given what you're saying on your show right now, it seems like you're willing to die for what you believe in.

01:59:38.940 So, die for something worth believing.

01:59:40.860 It's a risk we're all taking every day these days.

01:59:42.900 I mean, just being bold with our opinions and saying them unapologetically given the environment we're in.

01:59:47.840 So, what about the title?

01:59:49.840 Can you expand on that for the listening audience?

01:59:52.020 How to Become a Christian in Seven Days?

01:59:53.700 What is it with the seven days?

01:59:55.480 I liked that the world was created in seven days or all of reality was created in seven days.

02:00:00.660 and of course it can't have been because day is a you know a rotational astrophysical phenomena

02:00:06.160 so seven it's the number that means completeness become complete and then i like that it had that

02:00:13.520 little potential for a joke how to become christian in seven days asterisk may take

02:00:17.140 50 years and initially it said and false rape charges to get started but then when i was showing

02:00:22.040 my daughters the book cover i didn't want to have to explain to them so i changed it to serious f-ups

02:00:29.800 yeah and so that's what it means it means that and also coming christian it's not like you actually

02:00:36.480 you already are a christian you've just forgotten because what it means is you're the follower of

02:00:40.540 the way that's what it was called in the first place there is this way there is a righteous path

02:00:45.080 you can see as a neurological path if you want to because such things surely exist mris reveal that

02:00:49.860 or you can see it as a geographical one or you can see it in a whole bunch of meridian myriad

02:00:55.340 meridian ways but there is a path there is a way there is a calling there is a real you that you've

02:01:00.500 always known you were and you got distracted at points by glamour and the things of this world

02:01:05.660 but there is a home calling for you in a way the likes of you and me are participating in apostasy

02:01:11.680 we are leaving a culture that told us you are the golden and blonded goddess woman that's actually 0.99

02:01:17.440 smart you you poor broken silly little boy go out there and womanize we can leave that false 0.99

02:01:24.340 priesthood we can leave that and we can participate in something valuable and all it really is is god 1.00

02:01:31.220 incarnated god within you you can know god yourself you don't need brokerage you don't need

02:01:38.340 institutions whether they're vast and wonderful like the roman catholic church or disparate and

02:01:43.180 magnificent like the evangelical movement in this country or traditional like the one the church of

02:01:48.420 england in mine you don't need that brokerage he is here now with you he died for you and he spent

02:01:53.980 quite a lot of his time actually saying you lot that are saying you're the authorities are really

02:01:58.720 misrepresenting the message as i understand it using the word with the pharisees to demonstrate

02:02:03.660 to them exactly how they've gone wrong that there are two forces of power on this world

02:02:07.800 babylon the power of empire that wants to control you militarily and the pharisaic class that wants

02:02:13.000 to control you ideologically and our lord he came to oppose both of them and to let them know that 0.92

02:02:17.560 they were both wrong and forgiven and that we as individuals could follow him and what we have a 0.83

02:02:23.920 chance to do and what i'm really trying to put across in this book actually and i'll shut up

02:02:27.580 is it's in the bible all these things i thought i'd understood like i can't trust this system

02:02:32.960 i need the mystery of god where is god i feel so alone i'm so broken all the things i was looking

02:02:37.720 for in lsd and false intimacy all the things i was trying to rant about mtv vma awards it's all

02:02:44.660 in there he's telling you it's all explained in his own language and i like it like when he came

02:02:51.280 to me he came to me as a feeling in my abdomen in my gut it came in an instant a suicidal moment i

02:02:56.700 knew christ was real like jesus from school and nativity plays and boring oh no domine that's

02:03:03.860 it's real and from that moment on i had to read the bible and i read it and then i learned oh my

02:03:09.160 god all of it is all in here it's all real and it's so close to being crazy it's so close to

02:03:14.480 being crazy it's so close to folklore and mythology but these edgeland ideologues that we've cited

02:03:21.500 already today the alex joneses who is a christian of course or david ike who's vehemently opposed

02:03:26.540 to christianity tell you continually there are demonic difficult to detect forces that are

02:03:32.120 controlling our reality supernaturally they tell you that institutions are controlled by occultist

02:03:37.920 endeavors they tell you that there are paedophile cults sacrificing children none of that's not in

02:03:42.960 the Bible. Every single thing that I've just said is in the Bible. There are demons, there are devils,

02:03:46.520 there are angels, there were giants. To conquer those giants, you're going to have to think

02:03:50.580 different. You're going to have to think different. Ah, the sad ingenuity of Steve Jobs

02:03:55.740 wrestled towards just making gadgetry when he understood something vital. Connection and

02:04:01.840 extension of yourself through technology could bring about his kingdom, the merging of the

02:04:07.580 kingdoms a new kingdom is coming it's changing it's happening now it's happening now through

02:04:14.860 eternity in this moment now through him and we can be participants in it if we're and this is

02:04:20.200 where it's wonderful because everyone thinks what can i do like you just said i'm just a cog in the

02:04:23.580 mission and all of that well you're actually a pretty important cog you're a vital cog you are

02:04:27.420 a perfect cog you're interconnecting actually you specifically megan beloved megan kelly are

02:04:32.640 connecting with millions of millions of people and people actually really care about what you're

02:04:35.660 saying. And if they hear your optimism and your faith and your boldness and your bravery, which

02:04:39.540 they are hearing every day, then they will understand it. They will know it. The sheep

02:04:44.900 will hear the shepherd's voice. They will hear it in you. They're hearing it now, even in someone

02:04:50.380 as broken, as messed up, as selfish, as foolish as me. They know. We all have those foibles 1.00

02:04:56.140 expressed in different sins and different mistakes, but we all have those foibles.

02:04:59.920 and speaking of katie perry hold on that was pretty skillful go on then go on well i wonder

02:05:06.960 i've met doug now and i like him yeah i'm gonna read them books of dougs i think you'll really

02:05:11.520 enjoy them historical novel plus he's double handsome yeah right double dutch handsome you

02:05:15.660 said he looks like a dutch he looks like a dutch he is dutch and he looks dutch he's tall he's got

02:05:20.640 the wide set eyes he's got the angular face touch that dutch now but check first don't put them 1.00

02:05:26.920 clogs on without asking don't you put that finger in that dyke without asking don't you spin them 1.00

02:05:31.980 windmills well don't you got that and frank museum who talked about a finger in a dyke that's a dutch 0.97

02:05:36.640 story i'm just kidding sorry gotta be careful these days i went with it um although look about 0.89

02:05:42.880 where you're gonna go and you'll see a double joke uh because you're gonna go back to your subject

02:05:47.220 yes right and the last thing i said was oh that's true i'm gonna say okay so well how what is it 0.88

02:05:52.360 like to have your ex-wife dating dyke justin trudeau i've put up with a lot with that ex-wife 0.74

02:05:58.980 of mine but you took it too far kp with true orlando bloom yeah respectable legolas i love 0.95

02:06:07.620 that guy yeah brilliant good enough trudeau though potentially fidel castro spawn no there we draw

02:06:15.500 the line it's horrible i did not like that trudeau because no he's a son of he's a child of god and

02:06:20.420 he's beloved but what we'll say is i didn't like it when he was having a go at them truckers i

02:06:23.920 didn't like they kept blacking up inexplicably and then sort of pretend to be ultra woke he does

02:06:27.980 have fantastic hair i didn't like it when they invited and i think an actual nazi into the

02:06:33.060 canadian parliament yes they did i specifically don't like what is typified by those good looking

02:06:37.880 politicians obama macron blair they're sort of good looking and they're charming but you think

02:06:44.380 what who do you work for really who's running this because it can't be you and i don't like

02:06:49.580 that sort of pose of compassion that's absolutely undergirded by selfishness probably because i

02:06:54.020 recognize it myself i'm so selfish sometimes but i don't like that the trucker bit is what got me

02:06:59.200 they called them nazis and they were just being sort of bold and brave and stuff so yes is she

02:07:04.720 still going out with him yeah we checked this morning and it appears that they are still

02:07:08.860 together keep checking she could come to her senses any minute it is disappointing isn't it

02:07:14.940 when your ex gets together with somebody who like doesn't make you look good at all doesn't

02:07:18.400 It doesn't increase the average at all.

02:07:20.680 Look at the category I'm in now.

02:07:22.180 I'm in with Trudeau.

02:07:23.980 It'll be a relief to be in a rape trial.

02:07:26.680 See? 1.00

02:07:28.800 Phew!

02:07:30.640 Never lose your sense of humor.

02:07:32.300 Not even about the darkest things.

02:07:33.300 You can't take that away from you, baby.

02:07:35.040 Do you guys keep in touch?

02:07:36.300 She said you never contacted her again

02:07:38.020 after you sent her a note saying you wanted a divorce. 0.94

02:07:41.520 Look, that is true.

02:07:43.340 Wow.

02:07:44.280 Never anything, not a text?

02:07:46.400 I stay in touch with her father, Keith,

02:07:48.080 and her mother Mary

02:07:50.040 because they're good Christian folks

02:07:52.300 and I must say I feel a good deal of sympathy

02:07:55.120 with the recent allegations around Katie

02:07:58.380 She's been accused of sexually assaulting Ruby Rose 1.00

02:08:01.840 by allegedly exposing her vag to this gal's face 1.00

02:08:05.840 which she's denied

02:08:07.280 but there's a criminal inquiry underway in Australia

02:08:09.120 as a result of these allegations

02:08:10.640 To me that doesn't, I mean, this is probably the old school man in me

02:08:13.940 I don't even hear the crime there

02:08:16.360 what happened i don't even i can't even hear where it is like someone have to poke me with 0.52

02:08:22.020 a stick there that's the bit there's a cry no no 20 year old girl wants another woman rubbing her 0.96

02:08:27.900 vag on her face uninvited that's the crime there it is russell i got it i got i got you are you 0.96

02:08:33.900 available for the trial the puck is coming yes i will come thank you she um she denies again katie

02:08:41.260 denies i didn't handle that marriage very well i can see in retrospect absolutely what the problem

02:08:44.680 was in fact i explained that in the book what it was we said you were married to celebrity itself

02:08:48.400 i've worked it out so how so well because i you know look when you fall in love with someone

02:08:54.220 like isn't it amazing to be in love isn't it so amazing well imagine that sort of compounded with

02:08:59.500 everyone else acting like it's important it's like oh my god this is a woman plus she's a really

02:09:04.200 lovely you know what there is about her she's she's has an innocence she's a very beautiful

02:09:10.360 person she's also incredibly driven and worked really really hard i saw her working really really

02:09:15.420 hard here's me taking total responsibility for all the mistakes i made in that marriage 0.66

02:09:18.980 i like wanted to grab her like kind of there got it you know like i wanted i felt like i was

02:09:26.160 inadequate and not enough on my own so i saw this big glorious thing and even though i knew her as

02:09:31.360 a person as well as a person she's a normal person like everyone's a normal person you've

02:09:34.660 been around famous people you know who's famous when it comes to shower time picking your nose 0.97

02:09:39.360 scratching your ass like everyone just breaks down into mundanity and flesh and fallenness in 0.96

02:09:43.980 the end but she was really really really really lovely but it was my fault because i pushed to 0.99

02:09:48.540 get married early because i felt inadequate and insecure and like i wasn't enough and that if i

02:09:53.360 was married to her that i would somehow be a better person and more important and that put her under

02:09:59.000 an unnecessary amount of pressure and strain and then when she was unable as a very young woman

02:10:04.180 like she was 25 or 26 she was young herself there i she couldn't fulfill those obligations but she

02:10:10.480 was quite rightly one might argue certainly from a materialist and humanistic and celebrity

02:10:14.500 oriented perspective pursuing her dream of which she successfully did of becoming the world's most

02:10:19.100 famous pop star and uh when she was doing that i was in sort of a crisis of like hold on a minute

02:10:24.480 i'm lonely and this isn't working this isn't working i'm why do i not feel we've married a

02:10:29.540 pop star i did it come on why why is this not working so um do you feel like if she weren't

02:10:37.080 a celebrity it could have worked probably not because like i was fated to marry my

02:10:41.900 incredible wife laura brand who is sort of who i already knew and had already married but i didn't 0.63

02:10:47.380 you know i didn't learn the lesson then i went on to go with jemima khan who was married to the 0.98

02:10:50.740 now jailed former leader of pakistan who went out a few grant a bunch she's like a billionaires and

02:10:56.620 glorious and amazing hair and a 300 acre estate and riches and I thought yes yes this then I will

02:11:04.720 be okay yes that's it I got some of the details wrong it wasn't American pop star it was British

02:11:08.880 aristocrat and then of course once again she's a human being and I in my own foolish way objectified

02:11:14.640 her so I had to learn that lesson finally I think now I have learned don't try to take things from

02:11:22.620 people just leave people alone be happy in your marriage and serve god as best you can and remember 0.99

02:11:29.420 you're going to forget that all the time like an idiot and go back to thinking life's about you but 0.99

02:11:32.900 then you've now hopefully a part of a community see jake there who's with me i have people around 1.00

02:11:36.820 me now who are they're following god in their own broken way and i just can look at them how they're

02:11:41.260 doing it you know now as i'm listening to you talk i have this fear in the back of my head

02:11:45.660 russell what is it i i'm worried about your criminal trial i don't think that you're going

02:11:50.820 to get a fair shake in great britain oh no they love to put people in jail oh no i don't want to

02:11:55.400 go to jail it's my strong preference to not go to jail so what if you go to jail what kind of jail

02:12:01.460 time would you be facing if the worst i don't know i mean i think if you are convicted of being a

02:12:05.140 rapist you go to jail for a very long time which if you are a rapist i think is only right and only

02:12:12.000 fair yes but what what if you're not and then that's not fair anyway that's not fair um that 0.76

02:12:17.100 would be what we call injustice okay but i actually have a worry that they'll send you

02:12:22.500 because maybe what if it is part of your path what if you're supposed to be like ministering

02:12:26.780 to men in jail or changing the lives of the least fortunate among us and this is part of you know

02:12:32.180 god's plan for you well if it's god's plan then i'll then there's no point resisting it is there

02:12:36.120 if it's god's plan then off i go and i will serve him there oh if that's god's plan i don't like

02:12:41.380 that idea much because i'd much rather be with my little children how old are they wife herbie is

02:12:45.460 two and a half mabel is nine peggy is seven they're a little yeah you're still in the two

02:12:51.400 single digits but surely you can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that someone raped someone if

02:12:56.220 they've not raped someone or prove will it be jury trials yeah they've not banned them yet in

02:13:00.800 the uk they're trying but they've not they've not managed to that's good that's that's good

02:13:04.840 12 human beings like me that will like look and see what goes hard to defend yourself against

02:13:09.400 something that you may or may not have done 20 years ago like that's the problem that we have

02:13:13.680 with, you know, like the case against Trump, the civil rape allegation that he faced by E. Jean

02:13:19.780 Carroll, which she won. Was that in the, in the changing room one? Yes. In Bergdorf Goodman,

02:13:27.040 Bergdorf Goodman, that he allegedly grabbed her and raped her. And it was 30, 35 years earlier. 0.82

02:13:32.640 It's like, how are you supposed to, after all that time, or what happened to Justice Kavanaugh,

02:13:37.240 our Supreme Court justice who got accused of, of sexually molesting a woman 30 years early? Like

02:13:41.320 You have no papers to show where you actually were that day.

02:13:44.360 You don't have a contemporaneous memory of I absolutely was not doing that with you because I was at a Starbucks and here's my receipt.

02:13:50.560 It's very, very hard to disprove.

02:13:52.800 The legal standard, Megan, is beyond reasonable doubt that this person did it.

02:13:59.700 Beyond it would be not reasonable to doubt it.

02:14:01.920 if you're like i doubt that happened that's you know and one might think that 25 30 years ago in

02:14:09.480 itself is reasonable doubt unless you're able to and like look the thing i take heart from is i go

02:14:17.740 in myself and i look at and i see i try my best to see myself as he sees me and i see what i am 1.00

02:14:24.780 oh you idiot you fool you poor broken silly boy i don't see oh yeah then there was that time you 0.99

02:14:31.260 know like there's like there's and also as i was telling you before i think like when you do 12 1.00

02:14:35.420 steps you have to interrogate yourself you have to honestly say to someone this is what i've done

02:14:39.880 this is what i've not done i've done these things you have to tell them because then they go 0.92

02:14:43.600 okay well you know you've got to make amends and the fact is that i owe an amends to women for

02:14:49.340 sure in a sort of general way and in a specific way and may god grant me the opportunity to make

02:14:54.700 those amends and i guess look if we've got faith in god the faith in god has got to be

02:15:00.200 is if it's not faith in god that i'm going to get what i want it's faith in god that he knows what

02:15:04.620 i want and he knows what's best for me forget what i want what i want is not even a factor

02:15:08.720 anymore sadly because what i want you know like listen i tried to get what i want what i wanted

02:15:14.120 was i want to be really really famous i want to marry pop stars be around really glamorous and

02:15:17.060 beautiful women sleep with them and then one's not enough i'll have two i'll have 20 i'll have

02:15:19.800 500 you know like that's what i thought when i'll do drugs i'll do drugs all the time then 0.68

02:15:23.460 that i what i want is not a metric that i'm right we've learned to reject this but then 0.99

02:15:29.960 the problem is that we live in an idiot giddy donkey island you know we're all living on 0.99

02:15:33.760 pinocchio donkey island of pinocchio no like uh like everyone thinks smoking cigars and like 1.00

02:15:39.600 everyone's selling these ideas to one another to a lesser or greater degree if you are this type

02:15:44.260 of person pursue this false idol if you're this type of person pursue this false idol i really

02:15:48.820 really do not want to go to jail but look at what happened to julian assange that dude they never

02:15:53.400 even give him a trial they stuck him for five years he was in that embassy i went and saw him

02:15:57.200 there and i go look at your bedroom he goes oh come on let me have some privacy and you were not

02:16:01.500 even the most famous person who went to visit him pamela anderson was visiting him oh yes how did

02:16:06.320 that pan i mean imagine being julian assange and pamela anderson walks into your level i love my

02:16:13.860 prison i'll wiki leak that i'm like when i was um and when i was uh you can leave your file

02:16:19.100 anonymously i'm like when i um when i um when i visited him yeah god he's a hero that dude and

02:16:25.080 i'm friends with his wife stella and while he was away you know he would send me messages once it

02:16:29.060 all kicked off with me he goes because that's what happened to june la sange first of all is

02:16:31.980 they accused him of rape oh yeah women yeah i remember um and then like uh i like well i yeah

02:16:38.040 i've went and visited him that time i like that dude but he did after he's a real hero he's a

02:16:42.480 genuine hero so is edward snowden the hero means you're willing to sacrifice everything for what

02:16:47.160 you believe in that's a hard line man he then did five years in belmarsh belmarsh is no joke of a

02:16:53.640 jail that's a cat a prison that's the most severe prison i think he did a lot of it in solitary

02:16:58.100 never had a trial and really what his crime was is he told the truth about corrupt in this case i

02:17:03.660 have to say american power he exposed like hillary clinton to an enormous degree so the people that

02:17:08.980 were disposed to supporting that dude all of the democrat left they went we don't care and all the 0.76

02:17:14.180 war hawk republican types they're like we don't care either 10 years the cia were going to kill

02:17:19.000 him weren't they so um yeah yeah you're right i mean justice and truth these are ideas that presume 0.93

02:17:25.520 god in my country the united kingdom it's gone a little bit godless like you can get an abortion

02:17:30.180 now i think even on the child's third birthday you can still like no i've gone off it no it's

02:17:36.620 annoying get it out of here and like you can be euthanized like like if you i think you could be

02:17:42.480 euthanized if you're annoying yeah like god no you're out and like this is britain a lot of 0.93

02:17:46.980 people are annoying. Look at the, just consider the teeth. That's probably why Harry and Meghan

02:17:50.160 left. Not bad. Thank you. Thank you. Well, listen, I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm not predicting. I'm

02:17:58.680 not predicting a guilty. I'm just, I'm worried as I, I'm looking at the cross on the cover of

02:18:03.800 the book and I'm thinking, well, how does this, where does this journey go next? And I really

02:18:07.700 hope, you know, and I'm also thinking about something Erica Kirk said at Charlie's funeral,

02:18:11.660 how charlie said use me you know use me lord and she was saying those are powerful words

02:18:17.260 you know like i hope you don't get used in the way we don't want to see you get used but as you

02:18:23.700 point out if that's god's will then it then so it must be and he knows better than we do and there

02:18:28.220 must be something for you there there must be something some work for you there man someone

02:18:32.340 said like why did he come when he came the lord when did he why did he choose that moment out of

02:18:37.420 all eternity like was it because of these political conditions with the romans was it because of the

02:18:41.640 phariseic class why was it he chose then yeah and someone said i think it was father mike schmitz

02:18:47.340 actually the catholic youtuber yeah he's fantastic and he said it was just for a thief on the next

02:18:52.780 cross that's the only time he could have got that guy oh that's right that's probably spot on

02:18:59.260 listen god god bless you good luck to you thanks we'll be following very closely god is great and

02:19:06.680 honestly like i'm so glad we have this conversation me too i really enjoyed it yeah it was very

02:19:10.460 cathartic for me i i i for all the reasons stated i i got to the place where i didn't want to talk

02:19:16.280 to you and then i really did want to talk to you and now i have talked to you and i'm so grateful

02:19:20.700 that i had the opportunity that i've gotten to know you better thank you are you available for

02:19:24.520 jury service in october and then night king don't have to be a resident yes we'll swing by thank

02:19:29.080 you i know tucker's going he and i will go we'll make it a day of it yeah i think it's going to be

02:19:33.460 out i'm gonna go out with you two nobody's gonna have a glass of wine with me abby come with me

02:19:37.600 All the best to you.

02:19:39.760 Good luck.

02:19:40.140 Buy the book, Russell Brand, How to Become a Christian in Seven Days. 0.65

02:19:43.100 May take 50 years of sin and serious. 1.00

02:19:45.100 Fuck ups to get started. 1.00

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 18, 2026

A Second Look： Russell Brand on Faith, Fame, and Allegations Against Him

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