The Megyn Kelly Show - Best of the Week： Trump Legal Set-Up, Whiny College Brats, and Noem's Puppy Murder

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00:00:30.680 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show,

00:00:32.520 live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.220 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.700 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show

00:00:45.040 and our weekend best of special.

00:00:47.520 It's been a busy week with some insanity

00:00:49.600 across New York City and the rest of the country,

00:00:51.960 both on college campuses and in a courtroom downtown.

00:00:55.540 If you want to know the bizarre way the judge

00:00:57.660 and the prosecutor on the business records trial,

00:01:00.000 a former president, Donald Trump in New York,

00:01:02.040 are relying on a very dubious legal theory, to put it mildly,

00:01:06.360 you have to hear my conversation with Andy McCarthy.

00:01:09.080 It went completely viral for a reason.

00:01:11.620 We've got the most important part here.

00:01:13.700 I also talked to our friends from The Fifth Column

00:01:15.540 about the hilarious leaders of the protests

00:01:18.720 on Columbia's campus in UCLA.

00:01:21.260 Their parents must be so proud.

00:01:22.720 They're hilarious for all the wrong reasons.

00:01:24.660 And did you see our vice president, Kamala Harris,

00:01:28.280 on Drew Barrymore's talk show?

00:01:31.440 Batya Angarsargon was here and we talked through

00:01:33.960 why it was so representative of our out-of-touch elite.

00:01:38.420 And I found the topic I disagree with Michael Knowles on

00:01:40.660 more than any other topic, by the way.

00:01:43.340 Kristi Noem shooting her puppy in the face.

00:01:46.120 He's still wrong.

00:01:47.540 Enjoy and talk to you Monday.

00:01:48.700 Is it Alvin Bragg trying to prove

00:01:53.220 that Trump violated the federal election law?

00:01:57.700 Or is he trying to change it to he's proving

00:02:01.900 that Trump engaged in a conspiracy

00:02:05.280 to violate federal election law,

00:02:08.140 whether or not he actually did it?

00:02:11.560 Yeah, I think, Megan, it's worse than that.

00:02:13.920 What he's trying to do is establish

00:02:15.860 that Trump conspired to violate federal election law

00:02:20.600 as defined by Alvin Bragg,

00:02:23.940 as opposed to as defined by the Federal Election Commission

00:02:27.000 and the Justice Department.

00:02:30.200 Let me hold you there.

00:02:31.020 Well, let me hold you there.

00:02:31.900 Okay, yes, I agree.

00:02:33.020 As defined by Alvin Bragg,

00:02:34.680 because I know you guys have had Brad Smith

00:02:37.580 post at National Review.

00:02:39.260 We've had Brad Smith on the show here.

00:02:42.140 You cited him in your latest article.

00:02:44.640 I actually looked it up.

00:02:45.400 We had Brad Smith in April of 2023.

00:02:48.640 Well, I didn't know this.

00:02:50.200 I've been watching the Trump trial,

00:02:51.380 but not this closely.

00:02:53.780 In January of 2024,

00:02:56.640 Brad Smith tried to submit expert witness testimony

00:03:00.280 and be called, be named as a witness for Trump.

00:03:03.360 In this case, as a true expert on election law,

00:03:05.880 he was serving on the FEC,

00:03:07.420 which you mentioned, Federal Election Commission,

00:03:09.580 under Bill Clinton.

00:03:11.620 And he says there's no violation here.

00:03:14.340 He says it's a very complex area of law,

00:03:16.640 just like you said,

00:03:17.640 which is why they typically leave it to the experts.

00:03:20.120 And that the fundamental thing that's been misunderstood,

00:03:23.240 as far as I can tell by almost everyone in this case,

00:03:25.960 is that it doesn't matter what was in Trump's head

00:03:32.080 or Michael Cohen's head or David Pecker's head

00:03:34.820 in making these payments.

00:03:36.560 The subjective reasoning for making the payment is irrelevant.

00:03:42.660 The only thing the FEC or justice would look at

00:03:46.320 is the nature of the payment.

00:03:49.460 In general, if this is a payment

00:03:51.740 that could only ever be used to advance someone's election,

00:03:56.080 then it may be a campaign finance charge fee.

00:03:59.500 If it's something that could be used

00:04:02.300 for anything other than one's campaign,

00:04:05.840 then it's not within the purview of campaign finance law.

00:04:10.060 And he said on this show,

00:04:11.800 a hush money payment, of course,

00:04:14.620 is used by men all the time.

00:04:16.900 Not just men, but even criminal defendants

00:04:19.000 or people who are threatened

00:04:19.840 with nasty information about themselves.

00:04:21.920 And there's been testimony at this trial.

00:04:24.680 Arnold Schwarzenegger cut a deal

00:04:26.420 with the National Enquirer to protect him.

00:04:28.480 Rahm Emanuel, when he was about to run

00:04:30.580 for mayor of Chicago,

00:04:31.740 cut a deal with the National Enquirer

00:04:33.020 via his brother, Ari, who's a big Hollywood agent.

00:04:36.460 Bill Cosby cut a deal with the National,

00:04:38.220 like he wasn't running for office,

00:04:39.860 but those first two were,

00:04:41.780 to try to bury damaging information.

00:04:45.460 So this has been happening for a long time.

00:04:47.380 And the reason those things didn't get charged

00:04:49.980 and the reason Trump didn't get charged

00:04:52.100 by the FEC, by the Feds,

00:04:54.120 the Justice Department,

00:04:55.420 here is because they likely understood

00:04:58.220 it doesn't matter whether Trump was doing it

00:05:00.980 to advance his electoral chances.

00:05:03.040 All that matters is the nature of the payment.

00:05:05.880 I'm going to run the Brad Smith soundbite

00:05:07.440 and on the tail end of it,

00:05:08.920 you will hear Dave Ehrenberg,

00:05:10.720 Palm Beach County prosecutor,

00:05:12.700 great guy, comes on the show a lot,

00:05:14.560 try to come back at Brad

00:05:16.180 because they were all on the show together.

00:05:17.600 This is episode 522 of the Megyn Kelly show

00:05:19.580 with the John Edwards rebuttal.

00:05:22.940 All right, take a listen to thought one.

00:05:25.420 Let's suppose I decide to run for Congress

00:05:27.640 and I say, you know,

00:05:29.420 I need to be in a debate

00:05:30.440 and I need a really good suit.

00:05:32.520 So I go out and I spend, you know,

00:05:34.040 $2,000 on a suit,

00:05:35.420 which I would never otherwise do, right?

00:05:38.000 It doesn't make it a campaign expense,

00:05:40.100 even though my purpose

00:05:41.340 was to do it to influence the election.

00:05:43.660 Campaign expenditures are things

00:05:44.860 that no one would spend money on

00:05:46.400 unless you're running for office.

00:05:47.760 So again, it's not the subjective reason

00:05:50.000 why Trump made the payment.

00:05:51.340 It's the actual nature of the payment itself.

00:05:53.720 John Edwards was prosecuted by the feds

00:05:57.320 for something just like that.

00:05:59.520 He had an outside, some rich folks

00:06:01.540 who are paying off his mistress

00:06:03.500 so that he could help win the election.

00:06:06.060 They kept paying off the mistress

00:06:07.420 even after the election.

00:06:09.220 And he, his wife had cancer

00:06:11.500 and it was clear that she,

00:06:13.040 he didn't want her to know.

00:06:14.140 How then were the feds able to prosecute

00:06:16.640 John Edwards under the same set of facts?

00:06:18.840 Judges are not experts in campaign finance law.

00:06:22.400 Most prosecutors are not.

00:06:24.040 And I think it was just a wrong decision.

00:06:25.400 There is a lot of Supreme Court precedent

00:06:27.240 emphasizing that idea

00:06:28.980 that you have to use objective standards

00:06:31.160 for campaign finance law,

00:06:33.020 not subjective standards.

00:06:34.660 You know, sort of the only logical reading

00:06:36.100 of the statute because otherwise,

00:06:38.220 you know, take a person like Hillary Clinton, right?

00:06:40.540 One could at least theoretically argue

00:06:42.160 that everything she did between 1976 and 2016

00:06:45.280 was for the purpose of influencing

00:06:47.420 her election as president.

00:06:48.840 So good, so clear.

00:06:52.600 And so it's very galling

00:06:55.300 to listen to the coverage of this case, Andy,

00:06:57.300 because I don't know if you're having

00:06:58.160 the same reaction I am,

00:06:58.940 but I hear all over CNN, Fox News,

00:07:00.640 everything I hear them getting down to.

00:07:03.880 David Pecker testified

00:07:05.000 he did it to help Trump win.

00:07:07.400 He did it to help Trump win.

00:07:09.300 Who cares?

00:07:10.540 You could have Trump on the stand saying,

00:07:12.400 yeah, they did it to help me win.

00:07:14.320 That was the goal.

00:07:15.020 And it still wouldn't amount

00:07:16.860 to a federal election campaign finance violation.

00:07:20.660 Megan, I think this is something that we see a lot,

00:07:23.720 those of us who are kind of legal wonks,

00:07:25.980 which is this conflation of two things

00:07:28.320 that have to be separated out,

00:07:30.280 intent and motive.

00:07:31.840 As Brad said here,

00:07:38.100 you don't even get into intent

00:07:39.860 unless you have something that objectively

00:07:42.060 violates, you know,

00:07:44.800 is a commission of the acts

00:07:46.960 that are required

00:07:47.880 in a criminal statute

00:07:49.760 for a prosecution to go forward.

00:07:52.240 You don't even have to think about

00:07:53.680 somebody's intent unless you have that.

00:07:56.020 And here, as he points out,

00:07:58.420 these are not technically campaign expenses.

00:08:02.240 To the extent they're talking about

00:08:04.080 the Edwards case,

00:08:06.300 that's a very interesting case

00:08:07.660 to talk about actually

00:08:09.700 because it proves his point.

00:08:11.740 The Federal Election Commission

00:08:13.640 declined to prosecute Edwards

00:08:17.600 because they thought

00:08:18.660 it wasn't a campaign expense,

00:08:21.620 the hush money payments.

00:08:23.100 The Justice Department,

00:08:24.260 I think recklessly went ahead

00:08:25.860 and charged him anyway.

00:08:27.740 They had a very complex trial.

00:08:30.080 The judge clearly didn't like the case,

00:08:32.260 but he allowed it to go to the jury.

00:08:34.300 And then the jury hung on counts.

00:08:37.220 They didn't convict him.

00:08:38.360 I think they acquitted him on one

00:08:39.780 and hung on everything else.

00:08:41.700 And then the Justice Department,

00:08:43.180 having learned its lesson,

00:08:44.600 decided not to re-prosecute the case.

00:08:46.800 So I don't think that's really

00:08:48.420 a very strong argument

00:08:50.280 for concluding that

00:08:52.060 what's happened in the Trump case

00:08:54.140 is a viable campaign expense.

00:08:58.100 But when I say that

00:08:59.640 you have to separate out

00:09:01.980 intent and motive,

00:09:04.020 if Stormy Daniels used the election

00:09:07.600 to get Trump to pay

00:09:11.360 because the election gave her leverage

00:09:13.840 and Trump paid her

00:09:15.740 because he was concerned

00:09:17.260 about his chances in the election,

00:09:18.960 that goes to Trump's motive to pay.

00:09:21.640 It doesn't make the expense

00:09:24.980 a campaign expenditure

00:09:26.500 under the campaign finance laws

00:09:29.980 because it's not like polling

00:09:31.960 or get out the vote efforts.

00:09:34.360 It's not the kind of an expenditure

00:09:36.200 that would only happen

00:09:38.080 if there was a political campaign.

00:09:40.780 Stormy Daniels could have tried

00:09:42.120 to extort Trump to pay

00:09:43.520 for any number of reasons,

00:09:45.000 having nothing to do with

00:09:46.120 whether he was a presidential

00:09:47.300 candidate or not.

00:09:49.180 It happens that he was

00:09:51.060 a presidential candidate,

00:09:52.120 so she tried to strike

00:09:53.560 while the iron was hot

00:09:54.700 and he had an incentive to pay her.

00:09:56.640 That doesn't make it

00:09:57.680 a campaign violation.

00:10:00.200 The judge refused

00:10:02.000 to allow Brad Smith

00:10:03.940 and his expert testimony.

00:10:05.920 Harmeet Dillon pointed this out

00:10:06.940 on the show the other day.

00:10:07.940 I had missed it.

00:10:08.560 It just happened in late March,

00:10:09.900 about a month ago.

00:10:11.280 He said, no,

00:10:12.520 Brad Smith cannot take the stand.

00:10:13.820 It would be improper

00:10:14.960 to have him instruct the jury

00:10:16.480 in the law, among other things.

00:10:19.120 Well, tell us what's wrong with that.

00:10:22.300 And if Brad Smith can't get up there

00:10:24.580 and speak about

00:10:25.180 the federal election standards,

00:10:26.980 how do the actual standards,

00:10:29.320 like you objectively look

00:10:30.880 at the nature of the payment,

00:10:32.000 not the subjective belief

00:10:33.240 in the person's head,

00:10:34.520 how does that get into this courtroom?

00:10:36.980 How does it get in front of the jury

00:10:39.180 so they have the accurate framing

00:10:40.580 of the law?

00:10:41.340 But by an utterly inadmissible,

00:10:44.940 lawless method,

00:10:46.680 the jury in this case

00:10:48.060 is being instructed

00:10:48.860 on federal campaign law

00:10:50.340 by David Pecker

00:10:51.800 and Michael Cohen.

00:10:54.260 Now, it's a black letter principle

00:10:56.820 of the criminal law

00:10:58.600 that, let's say,

00:11:00.860 A and B commit a crime together,

00:11:03.920 right,

00:11:04.240 or an alleged crime together.

00:11:06.900 A decides to plead guilty.

00:11:09.560 B goes to trial.

00:11:10.640 A's guilty plea

00:11:13.200 is not admissible

00:11:14.780 to prove that B

00:11:16.720 either committed the crime

00:11:18.140 or believed

00:11:19.040 that he was committing the crime.

00:11:21.840 Yet,

00:11:23.360 Judge Merchant

00:11:24.620 is allowing

00:11:25.640 the district attorney

00:11:27.120 to elicit

00:11:28.000 from Michael Cohen

00:11:29.860 that he pled guilty

00:11:31.580 to two

00:11:32.360 campaign finance payments

00:11:34.800 and

00:11:36.020 campaign finance offenses.

00:11:38.980 And worse than that,

00:11:39.880 Bragg's lawyer,

00:11:42.760 Bragg's prosecutor,

00:11:44.180 opened to the jury

00:11:45.260 saying that you're going

00:11:46.420 to hear that Michael Cohen

00:11:47.700 pled guilty

00:11:48.460 to these payments

00:11:49.320 because they violated

00:11:50.420 the campaign finance laws

00:11:51.820 and he went to jail

00:11:53.320 over that.

00:11:54.600 Now,

00:11:54.920 what Bragg knows

00:11:56.400 is that

00:11:57.440 my old office,

00:11:58.900 the U.S. Attorney's Office

00:11:59.860 for the Southern District

00:12:00.780 of New York,

00:12:01.840 had Bragg

00:12:02.440 dead to rights

00:12:03.480 on $4 million.

00:12:04.980 I'm sorry,

00:12:06.640 had Cohen

00:12:07.100 dead to rights

00:12:07.700 on $4 million

00:12:08.780 plus

00:12:09.700 of bank fraud

00:12:11.340 and tax fraud

00:12:12.880 crimes.

00:12:14.960 He was going

00:12:16.100 to go to jail

00:12:16.940 over those crimes.

00:12:19.320 The campaign finance

00:12:20.540 stuff is trivial

00:12:21.540 compared to those crimes.

00:12:23.400 What drove

00:12:23.980 Cohen's

00:12:25.360 sentencing guidelines

00:12:26.280 and his prison sentence

00:12:27.300 were the fraud crimes

00:12:28.640 he was already

00:12:29.240 looking at.

00:12:29.840 He agreed

00:12:31.700 to plead guilty

00:12:33.000 to two campaign

00:12:34.320 finance violations

00:12:35.540 because he was

00:12:36.760 trying to make himself

00:12:37.860 a saleable witness

00:12:39.340 to the Southern District

00:12:40.880 of New York

00:12:41.700 against Trump.

00:12:43.340 If they had signed him

00:12:44.860 up as a cooperator,

00:12:46.540 then the prosecutors,

00:12:48.200 the federal prosecutors,

00:12:49.420 could have filed

00:12:50.340 a motion with the court

00:12:51.440 to get

00:12:51.920 Cohen

00:12:53.640 out of having

00:12:54.480 to do any

00:12:55.180 prison time

00:12:56.220 at all.

00:12:57.460 So that's the reason

00:12:58.600 he agreed to plead

00:12:59.520 to those charges.

00:13:01.200 Not because they were

00:13:01.900 actually...

00:13:02.500 No, right.

00:13:03.900 It was an add-on.

00:13:05.640 But this judge

00:13:06.520 is allowing Cohen

00:13:07.660 when he takes the stand

00:13:08.840 to say,

00:13:09.680 I pleaded guilty

00:13:10.460 to this crime

00:13:11.380 that you're now

00:13:12.060 accusing Trump of

00:13:13.120 and allowed

00:13:15.180 already David Pecker

00:13:16.460 of the National Enquirer

00:13:17.720 to take the stand

00:13:18.440 and say,

00:13:19.260 I signed this agreement

00:13:20.700 sort of like

00:13:21.240 a cooperation agreement

00:13:22.380 with the feds

00:13:23.780 on these crimes

00:13:24.900 that you're

00:13:25.400 now alleging.

00:13:27.060 And yet,

00:13:27.560 when Trump says,

00:13:28.520 I would like

00:13:30.260 to respond

00:13:31.520 by bringing in

00:13:32.940 my own election

00:13:34.480 campaign finance

00:13:36.020 official

00:13:36.440 to say,

00:13:37.040 I don't really

00:13:37.500 give a damn

00:13:38.000 what they pleaded

00:13:38.560 guilty to

00:13:39.120 or signed

00:13:39.520 a conciliation

00:13:40.200 agreement on.

00:13:41.260 I'm here

00:13:41.860 to tell you

00:13:42.560 there was no

00:13:43.600 violation of the law.

00:13:45.120 The judge

00:13:45.860 says no.

00:13:48.400 Right.

00:13:49.020 It's worse than that

00:13:50.140 because Trump

00:13:51.580 says,

00:13:52.240 if you're going

00:13:53.280 to let Cohen

00:13:54.460 say he pled guilty

00:13:55.820 and you're going

00:13:56.580 to let this

00:13:57.060 other stuff

00:13:57.540 in from Pecker,

00:13:58.560 I should at least

00:13:59.280 be able to tell

00:13:59.960 the jury

00:14:00.440 that I was

00:14:01.200 investigated

00:14:01.800 by the Justice

00:14:02.680 Department

00:14:03.180 and the FEC

00:14:03.920 and they decided

00:14:05.080 not to charge me

00:14:06.360 for a lot

00:14:07.400 of reasons,

00:14:08.020 not least that

00:14:08.740 the campaign

00:14:09.600 finance laws

00:14:10.380 are different

00:14:10.980 when you're

00:14:11.440 the candidate

00:14:12.040 versus when

00:14:12.840 you're a supporter

00:14:14.060 of the candidate.

00:14:14.740 he doesn't

00:14:16.080 he's not

00:14:16.760 allowing him

00:14:17.360 to put in

00:14:17.900 front of the

00:14:18.280 jury that

00:14:19.500 those agencies

00:14:20.780 that have

00:14:21.300 exclusive authority

00:14:22.940 under the law

00:14:23.880 to enforce

00:14:25.400 these statutes

00:14:26.180 looked at him

00:14:27.240 and decided

00:14:27.780 not to

00:14:28.500 prosecute him.

00:14:29.940 And what the

00:14:30.320 judge says

00:14:30.780 about that

00:14:31.460 is,

00:14:32.640 well,

00:14:33.120 you know,

00:14:33.420 there could be

00:14:33.820 a lot of reasons

00:14:34.480 why they didn't

00:14:35.080 charge him.

00:14:36.260 How about

00:14:36.580 there could be

00:14:37.060 a lot of reasons

00:14:37.760 why Michael Cohen

00:14:38.900 pled guilty

00:14:39.840 that don't have

00:14:40.480 anything to do

00:14:41.120 with whether he

00:14:41.640 was actually guilty.

00:14:43.360 He makes no

00:14:43.860 allowance for any

00:14:44.460 of that.

00:14:44.740 All the rulings

00:14:45.440 are so heavily

00:14:46.160 weighted in favor

00:14:47.320 of Bragg

00:14:47.860 and against Trump.

00:14:48.960 All of this

00:14:49.600 doesn't help

00:14:50.200 Trump right now,

00:14:51.120 but it should

00:14:52.120 help him on

00:14:53.060 appeal,

00:14:53.800 which will happen

00:14:54.600 well after

00:14:55.280 the November

00:14:55.980 election.

00:15:00.400 Let's just stay

00:15:01.160 on the morons

00:15:01.880 for another minute

00:15:02.680 before we get

00:15:03.160 to the truly

00:15:03.580 nefarious ones.

00:15:05.620 We showed

00:15:06.520 some of this

00:15:07.320 video,

00:15:07.620 but here is

00:15:08.660 this woman

00:15:09.640 who her name

00:15:11.420 is unfortunately

00:15:12.600 Johanna King

00:15:14.140 Slutsky

00:15:14.840 and she's at

00:15:17.180 I know

00:15:18.020 that's what

00:15:19.180 made her so bitter.

00:15:20.220 I mean,

00:15:20.380 that's you can

00:15:20.860 see it.

00:15:21.800 I mean,

00:15:22.020 it could be

00:15:22.680 a great name.

00:15:23.060 If your last name

00:15:23.080 is Slutsky.

00:15:23.720 If you really

00:15:24.320 run with it.

00:15:24.840 You should change

00:15:26.300 it.

00:15:27.120 Like,

00:15:27.360 Smith,

00:15:27.680 it's fine.

00:15:28.040 I want to have

00:15:28.060 suggestions.

00:15:29.180 I have some

00:15:29.660 suggestions.

00:15:30.200 Why would you

00:15:30.540 stick to that?

00:15:31.500 I mean,

00:15:31.800 frankly,

00:15:32.060 I don't understand

00:15:32.540 the last name

00:15:32.980 Cox either.

00:15:34.140 I don't know

00:15:34.920 Dick is also bad.

00:15:36.140 I'm sorry,

00:15:36.800 but they are.

00:15:37.880 Anywho,

00:15:39.000 Slutsky is over

00:15:41.080 at,

00:15:42.100 and by the way,

00:15:42.480 it's hyphenated,

00:15:43.240 so she could have

00:15:43.780 just gone with

00:15:44.340 Johanna King.

00:15:45.320 That's not bad.

00:15:46.060 Who's like,

00:15:46.440 I'll keep the hyphen

00:15:47.480 Slutsky.

00:15:48.800 You're really trying

00:15:49.620 to send a message.

00:15:50.420 Anywho,

00:15:51.060 there she is

00:15:51.700 at Columbia

00:15:52.480 enacting her

00:15:53.760 bitterness live

00:15:54.860 in front of the

00:15:55.300 camera for us all.

00:15:56.460 She's one of the

00:15:57.120 leaders,

00:15:58.300 and you may have

00:15:59.160 seen this the other

00:15:59.600 day,

00:15:59.820 but she was

00:16:00.220 demanding that

00:16:01.060 they be allowed

00:16:01.820 to ferret up

00:16:03.620 food and other

00:16:04.360 supplies to the

00:16:05.180 people who had

00:16:05.580 overtaken this

00:16:06.320 hall,

00:16:06.920 Hamilton Hall,

00:16:07.860 and these are

00:16:08.760 the terms that

00:16:09.700 she described it

00:16:10.400 in.

00:16:10.620 Take a listen to

00:16:11.080 Sop Fork.

00:16:12.340 Why should the

00:16:13.120 university be

00:16:14.060 obligated to

00:16:14.980 provide food to

00:16:16.300 people who've

00:16:16.980 taken over a

00:16:17.600 building?

00:16:19.600 Well,

00:16:20.040 first of all,

00:16:21.020 we're saying

00:16:21.340 that they're

00:16:21.760 obligated to

00:16:22.400 provide food to

00:16:23.300 students who pay

00:16:24.520 for a meal plan

00:16:25.060 here.

00:16:25.600 But you mentioned

00:16:26.120 that there was

00:16:26.640 a request that

00:16:27.380 food and water

00:16:28.120 be brought in,

00:16:28.900 unless I misunderstood.

00:16:29.620 To allow it to

00:16:30.220 be brought in.

00:16:30.860 I mean,

00:16:31.240 well,

00:16:31.400 I guess it's

00:16:31.780 ultimately a

00:16:32.320 question of

00:16:32.800 what kind of

00:16:33.540 community and

00:16:34.620 obligation Columbia

00:16:35.540 feels it has

00:16:36.120 to its students.

00:16:37.580 Do you want

00:16:38.440 students to die

00:16:39.720 of dehydration

00:16:40.420 and starvation

00:16:41.120 or get severely

00:16:42.080 ill, even if they

00:16:43.040 disagree with you?

00:16:44.280 If the answer

00:16:44.820 is no,

00:16:45.480 then you should

00:16:46.180 allow basic,

00:16:47.080 I mean,

00:16:47.480 it's crazy to say

00:16:48.440 because we're on

00:16:48.960 an Ivy League

00:16:49.420 campus,

00:16:49.800 but this is

00:16:50.140 like basic

00:16:50.600 humanitarian aid

00:16:51.460 we're asking

00:16:51.840 for,

00:16:52.220 like,

00:16:52.460 could people

00:16:53.080 please have

00:16:53.600 a glass of

00:16:54.020 water?

00:16:54.640 But they did

00:16:55.500 put themselves

00:16:56.120 in that,

00:16:56.580 very deliberate

00:16:58.400 in that situation

00:17:00.260 and in that

00:17:00.780 position.

00:17:01.560 So it seems

00:17:02.360 like you're

00:17:02.820 sort of saying

00:17:03.340 we want to

00:17:04.460 be revolutionaries,

00:17:05.360 we want to

00:17:05.680 take up this

00:17:06.140 building,

00:17:06.960 now would you

00:17:07.440 please bring

00:17:07.860 us food and

00:17:08.780 water?

00:17:09.360 Nobody's asking

00:17:10.120 them to bring

00:17:10.680 anything,

00:17:11.240 we're asking

00:17:12.480 them to not

00:17:13.300 violently stop us

00:17:14.500 from bringing in

00:17:15.340 basic humanitarian aid.

00:17:16.560 We are looking

00:17:19.920 for a commitment

00:17:20.560 from them

00:17:21.300 that they will

00:17:21.700 not stop it.

00:17:22.760 But they haven't

00:17:23.120 stopped it yet.

00:17:24.900 Well,

00:17:25.460 I don't,

00:17:26.060 I'm not,

00:17:26.660 I don't know

00:17:27.360 to what extent

00:17:28.140 it has been

00:17:28.780 attempted,

00:17:29.280 but we're

00:17:29.800 looking for

00:17:30.180 a commitment.

00:17:33.400 Those poor

00:17:34.160 children.

00:17:34.580 I told you.

00:17:35.740 Oh my God,

00:17:37.500 Miss Slutsky.

00:17:39.140 What have you

00:17:40.080 wrong?

00:17:41.080 Can someone

00:17:41.620 also point

00:17:42.340 out finally

00:17:42.940 that behind

00:17:43.560 her there

00:17:44.060 is a guy

00:17:44.620 with like a

00:17:45.320 half shirt

00:17:45.860 on who

00:17:46.760 clearly would

00:17:47.560 be thrown

00:17:48.040 off a building?

00:17:49.000 We have a

00:17:49.240 full screen

00:17:49.900 close up of

00:17:50.900 the guy

00:17:51.200 behind her

00:17:51.840 just for

00:17:53.280 you.

00:17:54.020 Do I know

00:17:54.700 my fifth

00:17:55.260 column?

00:17:56.160 Look at

00:17:57.060 this guy.

00:17:58.160 Yeah.

00:17:59.300 Wow,

00:18:00.000 what a

00:18:00.300 sogeny.

00:18:01.620 For the

00:18:02.420 listening audience,

00:18:03.040 you can see

00:18:03.380 full midriff

00:18:04.080 and belly

00:18:04.640 button of

00:18:05.180 this Hamas

00:18:06.200 supporting

00:18:06.680 gentleman.

00:18:07.920 That's what

00:18:08.380 Hamas wears

00:18:09.100 in the battlefield.

00:18:09.680 He's truly

00:18:11.060 disadvantaged.

00:18:13.240 He's shopping

00:18:13.700 at Zara

00:18:14.360 Kids to

00:18:15.340 buy his

00:18:15.960 clothes.

00:18:16.980 It doesn't

00:18:17.640 fit at all.

00:18:18.380 This is not

00:18:18.840 a fashion

00:18:19.300 statement.

00:18:20.200 This is a

00:18:20.680 man in

00:18:21.280 desperate

00:18:21.700 need.

00:18:22.860 Actually,

00:18:23.320 it may

00:18:23.920 change my

00:18:24.400 view of

00:18:24.760 the whole

00:18:25.100 thing.

00:18:25.280 Hard

00:18:25.440 disagree.

00:18:27.540 America

00:18:27.860 wins again.

00:18:28.460 He might

00:18:28.660 be special.

00:18:29.620 I'm clear.

00:18:30.460 The midriff

00:18:31.080 intifada.

00:18:31.320 Let me get

00:18:31.800 you so

00:18:32.100 Johanna.

00:18:34.480 Look at

00:18:35.000 those eyebrows.

00:18:36.380 Wow.

00:18:37.240 Yeah.

00:18:37.880 Unbelievable.

00:18:39.100 Show me

00:18:39.440 the country

00:18:40.020 where that

00:18:40.780 dude gets

00:18:41.340 to do

00:18:41.800 this.

00:18:42.360 Wow.

00:18:42.960 That country

00:18:43.460 ain't Gaza.

00:18:44.460 No.

00:18:45.020 I did hear

00:18:45.980 that Iran

00:18:46.480 is offering

00:18:47.380 scholarships

00:18:48.040 to students

00:18:48.780 who find

00:18:49.240 themselves

00:18:49.740 expelled.

00:18:50.380 I'm sure

00:18:50.860 that they

00:18:51.200 would welcome

00:18:51.680 him with

00:18:52.400 open arms.

00:18:53.400 Yes,

00:18:53.640 they would.

00:18:53.920 That's right.

00:18:54.460 I'm sure

00:18:54.740 they would

00:18:54.960 cinch around

00:18:57.000 him in a

00:18:57.400 very tight

00:18:57.900 embrace.

00:19:00.020 One of the

00:19:01.360 reasons why

00:19:02.120 they asked

00:19:02.960 for zip ties

00:19:03.520 in UCLA,

00:19:04.380 I don't know

00:19:04.600 if you saw

00:19:04.920 some of the

00:19:05.340 footage of

00:19:06.180 the students

00:19:07.220 trying to

00:19:08.200 put their

00:19:08.780 plywood back

00:19:09.400 up the

00:19:09.740 other night.

00:19:10.680 They kind

00:19:11.400 of didn't

00:19:11.900 know how

00:19:12.240 to do it.

00:19:12.840 They were

00:19:12.980 using zip

00:19:13.720 ties to

00:19:14.960 try to

00:19:15.360 lash

00:19:15.780 together

00:19:16.320 plywood

00:19:17.120 fortresses.

00:19:19.440 There's not

00:19:19.940 a lot of

00:19:20.860 construction.

00:19:21.420 These are

00:19:21.820 all like

00:19:22.640 union guys.

00:19:23.580 They're doing

00:19:24.620 their PhDs.

00:19:25.820 I'll tell you

00:19:26.420 what, I'm

00:19:27.460 going to read

00:19:27.800 you a sentence

00:19:28.280 because Ms.

00:19:28.940 Slutsky is

00:19:30.260 of course in

00:19:30.620 a PhD program.

00:19:32.060 This is what

00:19:33.040 America, this

00:19:34.040 is what we're

00:19:34.400 paying $90,000

00:19:35.620 a year for

00:19:36.900 this because we

00:19:37.400 need this.

00:19:37.880 This is exactly

00:19:38.360 what we have

00:19:38.640 particularly with

00:19:39.140 inflation and

00:19:40.000 recessions.

00:19:40.620 My goal,

00:19:42.160 and this is

00:19:42.620 about her own

00:19:43.800 PhD dissertation,

00:19:45.000 my goal is to

00:19:45.560 write a prehistory

00:19:46.700 of metabolic

00:19:47.820 rift, Marx's

00:19:49.240 term for the

00:19:49.780 disruption of

00:19:50.380 energy circuits,

00:19:51.420 caused by the

00:19:52.340 industrialization

00:19:54.000 under capitalism.

00:19:55.440 So this is,

00:19:56.960 Ms. Slutsky has

00:19:57.800 so many skills

00:19:58.720 and it doesn't

00:20:00.920 surprise me that

00:20:01.560 she doesn't know

00:20:02.020 how to get food.

00:20:03.480 Yeah, so listen,

00:20:05.240 so she's so

00:20:06.940 wonderful.

00:20:07.540 I love her

00:20:08.040 introduction as a

00:20:08.900 character in this

00:20:09.560 story.

00:20:10.040 I pray to God

00:20:10.860 above and thank

00:20:12.080 him for taking

00:20:12.580 care of us this

00:20:13.200 way.

00:20:14.300 We don't know

00:20:15.200 who put this

00:20:15.660 together, but my

00:20:16.580 crack producers,

00:20:17.540 Debbie, Canadian

00:20:18.060 Debbie found online

00:20:19.180 a parody video

00:20:20.320 that's been

00:20:20.680 produced.

00:20:21.420 of Johanna

00:20:22.340 King Slutsky.

00:20:23.980 Even I have not

00:20:24.640 yet seen it.

00:20:25.220 Let's watch it

00:20:25.940 together, shall we?

00:20:27.760 Basically, we would

00:20:28.460 like to get some

00:20:28.940 pepperoni pizzas,

00:20:29.880 just make sure they

00:20:30.480 are gluten-free,

00:20:31.500 or you know what,

00:20:32.520 just...

00:20:32.860 Sounds like you

00:20:33.480 just want pizza

00:20:34.160 with no bread.

00:20:35.080 Is that what you're

00:20:35.760 saying?

00:20:36.760 Just send some

00:20:37.480 pizzas without bread,

00:20:38.580 okay?

00:20:38.860 Oh, and also,

00:20:40.520 no cheese.

00:20:41.800 Many of us are

00:20:42.660 allergic to cheese,

00:20:43.580 and while you're at

00:20:44.300 it, please make sure

00:20:45.480 there is no

00:20:46.140 tomato sauce.

00:20:48.100 It looks like blood,

00:20:50.280 and we don't want to

00:20:50.780 trigger anybody.

00:20:51.720 So just send us some

00:20:53.280 plant-based pepperoni in

00:20:54.340 a box, and if they

00:20:55.100 don't have vegan

00:20:55.800 pepperoni, just send us

00:20:57.540 some pizza boxes with

00:20:58.440 napkins and shit.

00:20:59.320 Just make sure the

00:20:59.960 pizza box is made with

00:21:00.860 recycled cardboard.

00:21:01.820 And if they don't have

00:21:02.620 any recycled pizza

00:21:03.560 boxes?

00:21:04.240 If not, just don't

00:21:06.200 send us anything.

00:21:06.880 We'll just go back

00:21:07.480 home to mommy.

00:21:08.860 Thank you.

00:21:09.380 Almost impossible

00:21:12.720 to parody these

00:21:13.660 people.

00:21:13.940 It's hard, yeah.

00:21:14.640 Almost impossible.

00:21:15.100 Who says AI is

00:21:16.700 dangerous?

00:21:17.400 It's the best thing

00:21:18.220 that ever happened

00:21:18.840 to America.

00:21:21.540 So I do want to

00:21:22.480 stay on her.

00:21:23.080 She really is a

00:21:24.440 gift, this gal.

00:21:25.220 So we also took a

00:21:27.040 look at her story.

00:21:29.740 And by the way,

00:21:30.660 before I move on

00:21:31.420 from the parody,

00:21:32.700 Eve Barlow, who's a

00:21:33.600 journalist on Substack

00:21:34.720 titled Blacklisted,

00:21:36.040 writes the following,

00:21:37.040 Can we please get an

00:21:37.800 airdrop at Columbia

00:21:38.700 University?

00:21:39.600 We need 900 acai

00:21:41.480 bowls, 1300 impossible

00:21:43.300 burgers on gluten-free

00:21:44.340 bread with sugar-free

00:21:45.200 vegan ketchup, and

00:21:46.260 3000 bottles of pH

00:21:47.560 9.0 electrolyte

00:21:48.720 water.

00:21:49.260 This is urgent at

00:21:50.380 UNRWA, the UN

00:21:52.580 Emergency Services.

00:21:54.760 Exactly right.

00:21:56.120 So this gal,

00:21:56.960 Johanna, is listed on

00:21:59.460 Columbia's website as

00:22:00.300 an instructor and

00:22:01.080 PhD student, although

00:22:02.700 we tried to click on

00:22:04.420 her bio from the

00:22:05.140 school and it now

00:22:05.940 says we cannot find

00:22:06.920 the page.

00:22:07.700 So we don't know

00:22:08.320 whether Johanna,

00:22:09.740 it's possible she

00:22:10.640 received a little

00:22:11.480 backlash from that

00:22:12.260 nonsense.

00:22:13.140 She's currently

00:22:13.860 getting her PhD in

00:22:14.840 English and

00:22:16.100 comparative literature

00:22:17.440 and picking up on

00:22:19.720 what you were saying,

00:22:20.280 Moynihan, her bio on

00:22:21.320 Columbia's website when

00:22:22.560 it was posted said her

00:22:23.900 research interests

00:22:24.760 include romanticism,

00:22:27.400 transcendentalism,

00:22:28.820 Marxism, science and

00:22:30.600 literature, environmental

00:22:32.020 humanities, eco-criticism,

00:22:33.860 and 18th and 19th

00:22:35.660 century poetics.

00:22:37.540 What?

00:22:38.240 I only understood

00:22:39.720 every other word.

00:22:41.320 Well, that's fine.

00:22:42.380 Yeah, I mean, I like

00:22:44.020 transcendentalism.

00:22:44.840 I'm an Emerson.

00:22:45.680 I'm from Concord,

00:22:46.640 Massachusetts.

00:22:47.140 I'm an Emerson fan.

00:22:47.860 But you have to say,

00:22:50.320 yes, I love Miss

00:22:52.260 Slutsky.

00:22:52.960 Every, you know,

00:22:53.980 Officer Slutsky,

00:22:55.740 or this Krupke,

00:22:58.360 sorry.

00:22:58.860 Speaking of

00:22:59.360 lotion.

00:23:01.940 But the incredible

00:23:02.940 thing about this is

00:23:03.920 that if she hadn't put

00:23:05.440 herself out there,

00:23:06.580 we look at this stuff

00:23:07.680 and we say, oh my

00:23:08.460 God, how much

00:23:10.080 nonsense can you

00:23:11.040 squeeze into one

00:23:12.320 human?

00:23:13.120 And it's like she's

00:23:14.020 just representative of

00:23:15.420 thousands of people on

00:23:16.660 campus.

00:23:17.200 I mean, everybody

00:23:18.020 who is doing a PhD

00:23:19.260 is kind of in that

00:23:20.740 universe.

00:23:21.900 There's a great contest.

00:23:23.380 I don't know if it's

00:23:23.820 still, they still do it.

00:23:25.420 It used to be a guy

00:23:25.800 named Dennis Dutton,

00:23:26.580 but a bad writing

00:23:28.160 contest of academic

00:23:29.840 papers.

00:23:30.580 And it's just completely

00:23:31.560 incoherent because

00:23:32.360 there are people who

00:23:32.880 believe that they can

00:23:35.040 mask their stupidity

00:23:36.280 with incoherence and

00:23:37.200 people will think

00:23:37.740 they're just being

00:23:38.260 smart and they don't

00:23:38.980 get it.

00:23:39.820 And that's the kind of

00:23:40.540 stuff when you're

00:23:41.060 trying to read what

00:23:41.780 her PhD dissertation is

00:23:42.940 about.

00:23:43.620 But it's funny because

00:23:44.380 you see her in this

00:23:45.240 situation.

00:23:45.640 And the one thing

00:23:46.720 that you have to, we

00:23:47.680 laugh at this stuff

00:23:48.440 because it's ridiculous,

00:23:49.560 absurd, and funny, and

00:23:50.740 it undermines everything

00:23:51.860 that they're trying to

00:23:52.500 do.

00:23:52.980 But notice what they

00:23:54.140 are doing.

00:23:55.020 She's trying to pretend

00:23:56.300 that she's a Gazan.

00:23:57.900 We need humanitarian

00:23:59.340 aid.

00:23:59.820 She literally said

00:24:00.400 humanitarian aid.

00:24:01.180 People are going to

00:24:01.880 starve to death.

00:24:02.720 They're going to be

00:24:03.960 thirsty.

00:24:05.440 I mean, it's like this

00:24:06.720 kind of stuff is like

00:24:08.540 they're cosplaying and

00:24:10.140 they don't, they've never

00:24:10.880 been to Gaza.

00:24:11.700 Obviously, they know

00:24:12.340 nothing about this.

00:24:13.100 They've probably never

00:24:13.520 been to Israel.

00:24:14.120 I don't know.

00:24:14.920 I mean, Ms.

00:24:15.240 Silecki maybe did

00:24:16.260 birthright at some

00:24:18.500 point.

00:24:19.120 Who knows?

00:24:19.680 But this is the thing

00:24:20.860 that happens is you say

00:24:21.700 we're playing the role of

00:24:22.840 these people.

00:24:23.520 We need humanitarian aid

00:24:24.880 because the Gazans, which

00:24:26.200 by the way, is very, very

00:24:27.680 insulting to Gazans.

00:24:29.000 I mean, whatever you think

00:24:30.460 about this war, and I

00:24:32.240 think we've made very

00:24:32.820 clear, I have anyway, of

00:24:34.320 what I think about it on

00:24:35.080 this show, but the people

00:24:37.060 of Gaza are bearing the

00:24:38.280 brunt of this, and that's

00:24:39.040 because Hamas doesn't give

00:24:40.180 a shit about them.

00:24:41.260 And so I have an

00:24:42.280 enormous amount of

00:24:42.920 sympathy for those

00:24:43.480 people because there

00:24:43.880 are people there that

00:24:44.580 are really opposed to

00:24:45.420 Hamas and have no

00:24:46.060 outlet to actually be

00:24:47.580 opposed to them.

00:24:48.320 And then you have a

00:24:48.760 bunch of spoiled

00:24:49.560 $90,000 a year college

00:24:51.560 students who could just

00:24:52.180 order fucking Grubhub

00:24:53.420 saying that they might

00:24:54.440 starve to death on

00:24:55.540 campus.

00:24:56.000 I mean, it reminds me

00:24:56.540 of the...

00:24:57.120 How long does she get

00:24:57.260 water, Michael?

00:24:59.180 The pipes are very

00:25:00.540 old in those buildings,

00:25:02.140 Megan.

00:25:02.320 They might kill them.

00:25:03.460 The water fountain.

00:25:04.840 What are we supposed to

00:25:05.600 do with that thing?

00:25:06.200 You know what happened

00:25:07.180 during the 50s with the

00:25:08.080 water fountain?

00:25:08.660 It's very triggering.

00:25:09.440 People have separate

00:25:10.560 water fountains.

00:25:11.460 Now you want us to use

00:25:12.280 a water fountain.

00:25:13.140 Okay, Bull Connor.

00:25:17.120 So listen to this.

00:25:18.260 So she then went on,

00:25:20.380 okay, to speak, and she

00:25:21.840 wanted people to not

00:25:23.940 have her name.

00:25:24.900 All right?

00:25:25.160 She refused to give

00:25:26.120 her name.

00:25:27.780 Of course, we figured

00:25:28.580 it out.

00:25:29.220 But she did want you to

00:25:30.340 know that her pronouns

00:25:30.960 are she, her.

00:25:32.240 Okay?

00:25:32.440 Because like the gentleman

00:25:33.880 with the midriff exposed

00:25:35.080 behind her, she's very

00:25:36.040 pro-LGBTQ and also pro-Hamas.

00:25:39.060 It can happen.

00:25:40.400 And she added the

00:25:42.320 following life lessons,

00:25:44.200 which is, you know,

00:25:44.660 helpful.

00:25:44.980 She's getting her PhD.

00:25:46.340 She must be super smart

00:25:47.200 and elite.

00:25:47.720 Let's take a listen.

00:25:49.260 Are there any plans to

00:25:50.840 demonstrate a graduation?

00:25:53.000 It's really bizarre to us

00:25:55.680 and perhaps to members

00:25:56.620 of the public to see so

00:25:58.020 much concern over

00:25:59.420 graduation when we're in

00:26:00.840 the middle of a genocide.

00:26:02.140 I think you have to

00:26:03.060 really look at what's

00:26:04.320 important here.

00:26:05.280 We are on stolen land

00:26:07.140 from indigenous people

00:26:08.240 and the land of people

00:26:10.620 who were displaced

00:26:11.480 from Harlem.

00:26:12.200 We recognize that we

00:26:13.080 have a shared fight.

00:26:14.200 And when we say things

00:26:15.580 like from the river to

00:26:16.360 the sea or open the

00:26:17.300 gates, it's in

00:26:18.140 recognition of the

00:26:19.060 shared fight that

00:26:19.720 unites people at

00:26:21.000 Columbia University,

00:26:22.160 the people in Palestine

00:26:23.100 and people in Harlem.

00:26:24.980 I mean, unbelievable.

00:26:27.140 Fuck you.

00:26:27.760 If I truly believed I

00:26:29.340 was somehow indirectly

00:26:30.820 a party to some sort

00:26:32.220 of crime, if it was

00:26:34.280 important enough for me

00:26:35.020 to talk about ad

00:26:36.240 nauseam, I would do

00:26:37.480 something about it.

00:26:38.460 I probably wouldn't go

00:26:39.140 to that school.

00:26:40.240 I wouldn't be a

00:26:41.640 partake of that.

00:26:42.780 I wouldn't have the

00:26:43.360 affiliation.

00:26:44.040 I wouldn't pay them

00:26:45.440 my money.

00:26:46.480 I would do something

00:26:47.360 about it.

00:26:48.020 But they never do

00:26:48.840 something about it.

00:26:49.640 These land

00:26:50.240 acknowledgments, this

00:26:51.220 constant berating of

00:26:53.160 everyone about all of

00:26:54.500 the abuses that are

00:26:55.900 somehow had been

00:26:57.220 perpetrated at some

00:26:58.220 point in history, which

00:26:59.620 now need to be

00:27:00.600 accounted for by

00:27:01.360 someone other than

00:27:02.260 me, the person who

00:27:03.620 is literally, apparently

00:27:04.960 a part of the crime.

00:27:05.900 It's just so

00:27:07.300 insanely heinous.

00:27:09.720 And the appropriation

00:27:11.600 of the suffering, one

00:27:12.920 hand, is just kind of

00:27:13.660 ringing in my ear as

00:27:15.240 well.

00:27:15.960 The notion of

00:27:16.960 imagining yourselves as

00:27:18.420 the central player in

00:27:19.780 all of this, the

00:27:20.940 actual victim, while

00:27:22.420 you're talking about

00:27:23.180 genocide, is just

00:27:25.340 heinous in the

00:27:27.020 extreme.

00:27:28.440 But notice what she

00:27:29.900 does there.

00:27:30.940 It's also a Harlem

00:27:31.820 struggle.

00:27:32.440 It's the same.

00:27:33.660 But notice what she

00:27:34.700 does there.

00:27:36.060 From the Harlem River

00:27:37.260 to the Hudson.

00:27:40.780 But notice what she

00:27:41.960 does there in this

00:27:42.980 thing.

00:27:43.340 You know, it's like,

00:27:44.620 it is about them,

00:27:45.920 right?

00:27:46.200 We're starving.

00:27:47.020 You have to pay

00:27:47.220 attention.

00:27:47.560 Clearly.

00:27:47.980 It takes the focus

00:27:48.680 away.

00:27:49.280 But this is the

00:27:50.200 unbelievable movement

00:27:51.700 of hypocrisy and

00:27:53.180 double standard.

00:27:54.140 She's standing in

00:27:55.140 front of a bank of

00:27:55.880 microphones saying,

00:27:57.020 why are you paying

00:27:57.660 attention to us?

00:27:58.560 Yes.

00:28:00.020 Get away from the

00:28:01.000 fucking microphones

00:28:01.960 because you're there.

00:28:04.320 Don't be there.

00:28:05.440 Leave and do a land

00:28:06.400 acknowledgement and give

00:28:07.160 all your money to the

00:28:08.080 local tribe.

00:28:09.580 The Lenape Indians

00:28:10.480 would happily take it.

00:28:12.520 Everyone ignored you

00:28:13.620 up until two minutes

00:28:14.500 ago.

00:28:15.420 Yes.

00:28:15.660 Bernie Sanders

00:28:16.140 yesterday gave a big

00:28:17.040 speech on the Senate

00:28:17.720 floor.

00:28:18.240 And I won't do the

00:28:19.080 Bernie Sanders

00:28:19.620 impersonation because

00:28:20.480 Moynihan's is better.

00:28:21.280 But in which he's

00:28:23.120 like, you know,

00:28:23.580 look, CNN, why

00:28:25.360 are you paying

00:28:26.000 attention to all

00:28:27.540 these college

00:28:27.960 students when you

00:28:28.540 should be paying

00:28:29.200 attention to the

00:28:30.460 people of Gaza and

00:28:31.340 their suffering?

00:28:32.360 And I agree.

00:28:33.360 I mean, I think CNN

00:28:34.120 does pay attention to

00:28:35.000 the people of Gaza and

00:28:35.720 their suffering.

00:28:37.100 But that's a weird

00:28:38.880 thing.

00:28:39.460 That's a weird flex

00:28:40.320 for protesters to be

00:28:42.240 saying.

00:28:42.960 We're here protesting.

00:28:44.120 Why are you paying

00:28:44.740 attention to us

00:28:45.720 protesting here?

00:28:46.980 What are you doing

00:28:47.620 exactly?

00:28:48.280 And and then I

00:28:50.320 mean, also, it's not

00:28:51.300 really getting that

00:28:52.000 much direct

00:28:53.160 attention as much

00:28:54.800 as it probably

00:28:55.420 should.

00:28:56.420 But what are they

00:28:57.000 actually asking for

00:28:58.000 in these places?

00:28:59.460 Always the list is

00:29:00.940 we need to stop

00:29:01.880 down this university

00:29:02.880 having any exchange

00:29:03.980 with anybody in

00:29:04.720 Israel.

00:29:05.280 That's strange.

00:29:06.480 I mean, that's not

00:29:07.120 really the

00:29:07.600 traditional purpose

00:29:09.480 of a research

00:29:10.120 university is to

00:29:11.100 close off exchange

00:29:12.580 with an entire

00:29:13.220 country and to

00:29:14.160 make this one

00:29:15.100 country the one

00:29:16.460 like with Saudi

00:29:17.360 Arabia fine.

00:29:18.020 like what's what

00:29:19.080 what is the

00:29:19.540 sliding scales,

00:29:20.320 you know, that

00:29:21.260 we're about China.

00:29:23.700 About red China.

00:29:24.820 You know, there's

00:29:25.540 there's a whole

00:29:26.380 bunch of them

00:29:26.900 wingers.

00:29:32.400 Kamala Harris.

00:29:34.800 That's like deep

00:29:35.800 breathing, deep

00:29:36.460 breathing.

00:29:37.060 She went on the

00:29:38.300 Drew Barrymore show

00:29:39.260 and on Monday they

00:29:40.880 released a promo clip

00:29:42.020 which we played for

00:29:42.920 our audience in which

00:29:44.240 it was just

00:29:45.060 affectation after

00:29:46.380 affectation with

00:29:47.560 Drew.

00:29:48.480 You know, she

00:29:49.520 for the visual

00:29:51.200 audience, I'm going

00:29:52.200 to do an imitation

00:29:53.020 where I just my

00:29:53.720 microphone is Kamala

00:29:55.180 and I'm Drew.

00:29:57.680 Oh, oh, oh,

00:29:59.860 really?

00:30:00.780 Oh, I mean,

00:30:01.840 uncomfortably close,

00:30:03.840 like as close as you

00:30:05.280 need to be to a

00:30:06.040 microphone.

00:30:06.380 That's how close

00:30:07.180 Drew was to Kamala.

00:30:08.500 And I felt for

00:30:09.580 Kamala Harris.

00:30:10.180 I did.

00:30:10.880 I felt bad for you

00:30:11.960 could tell she had

00:30:12.620 embarrassment.

00:30:13.360 I had secondhand

00:30:13.980 embarrassment and you

00:30:14.980 could tell it was

00:30:15.420 too awkward of an

00:30:16.820 invasion of her

00:30:17.420 personal space.

00:30:18.520 But this was Drew's

00:30:19.700 attempt to show

00:30:21.180 I'm Oprah.

00:30:22.840 I'm Oprah.

00:30:23.760 Trust me, I'm

00:30:24.400 Oprah.

00:30:24.900 I get it.

00:30:25.800 No.

00:30:26.500 For Oprah Winfrey,

00:30:27.520 it came naturally

00:30:28.560 and she didn't have

00:30:29.780 to force a fake

00:30:32.080 feigned intimacy.

00:30:34.360 That's why she

00:30:35.080 became Oprah.

00:30:36.220 OK, that's why

00:30:37.020 back in her day she

00:30:38.000 was very special and

00:30:39.080 one of a kind.

00:30:40.140 You're not Oprah,

00:30:40.820 Drew.

00:30:41.600 And your segment

00:30:42.960 with Kamala Harris

00:30:43.560 proved it.

00:30:44.020 So Kamala Harris

00:30:45.160 on the other end

00:30:45.840 is accepting

00:30:46.920 this adoration

00:30:47.920 as though it's

00:30:49.120 real and as

00:30:50.700 though Drew

00:30:51.100 Barrymore speaks

00:30:52.620 for us all.

00:30:54.460 For she speaks

00:30:55.620 for all American

00:30:57.020 women, right?

00:30:57.960 Like Kamala

00:30:58.860 is is our leader,

00:31:00.780 the feminine

00:31:01.360 hero that we

00:31:03.160 need.

00:31:03.520 Feminist.

00:31:04.000 first of all,

00:31:06.100 for the first time

00:31:07.560 in the Drew

00:31:08.540 Barrymore

00:31:09.220 television show

00:31:10.400 history,

00:31:10.920 they stocked the

00:31:12.540 audience with

00:31:13.780 all women.

00:31:14.720 Here's a look at

00:31:15.140 that.

00:31:15.460 It's not 13.

00:31:16.880 Welcome to the show.

00:31:19.480 Our guest needs

00:31:21.000 no introduction.

00:31:22.780 She is the first

00:31:23.700 black, first South

00:31:25.240 Asian and yes,

00:31:26.780 first female vice

00:31:28.600 president of the

00:31:29.680 United States.

00:31:30.500 We have all

00:31:44.200 women here today

00:31:45.580 in the audience.

00:31:46.380 Thank you, ladies.

00:31:47.400 I just threw up

00:31:48.660 a little in my

00:31:49.080 mouth.

00:31:49.980 I don't know.

00:31:51.380 Let's just stop

00:31:52.120 there.

00:31:53.060 Baja, the over

00:31:55.040 the top behavior

00:31:56.020 of Drew Barrymore,

00:31:57.640 who everyone used

00:31:58.440 to like.

00:31:58.820 She was cute when

00:31:59.300 she was young and

00:31:59.900 she was in these

00:32:00.340 movies.

00:32:01.300 And now this

00:32:02.340 truly it's

00:32:03.220 performance.

00:32:03.760 It's bad acting.

00:32:04.880 That's what we're

00:32:05.180 seeing in response

00:32:07.220 to I mean, you

00:32:08.020 would have thought

00:32:08.460 Jesus had just

00:32:09.240 walked in the way

00:32:10.420 she treats.

00:32:11.220 No one feels like

00:32:12.200 this about her.

00:32:13.240 Who does she think

00:32:13.880 she's kidding?

00:32:14.420 It was a

00:32:17.100 pantomime of,

00:32:19.120 you know,

00:32:19.680 positive feelings.

00:32:21.760 And even for

00:32:22.560 Drew Barrymore,

00:32:23.260 it was extremely

00:32:24.140 overdone.

00:32:25.100 And when I watched

00:32:25.800 that, I couldn't

00:32:26.300 help but think

00:32:26.900 like this is what

00:32:28.300 happens when

00:32:29.260 you're extremely,

00:32:31.040 extremely wealthy.

00:32:33.080 You know, what

00:32:33.420 does politics even

00:32:34.580 mean to you anymore

00:32:35.800 when all of your

00:32:37.200 needs are being met

00:32:38.300 to excess?

00:32:39.260 Like when you're a

00:32:39.880 millionaire or a

00:32:40.680 billionaire, you

00:32:41.980 know, what does

00:32:42.620 politics even mean?

00:32:43.820 You don't need

00:32:44.640 anything from

00:32:46.160 politicians.

00:32:46.840 You don't need

00:32:47.760 anything from this

00:32:49.060 country.

00:32:49.380 And yet somehow

00:32:50.620 our elites in

00:32:52.160 Hollywood still have

00:32:53.360 this need to see

00:32:55.360 themselves as on

00:32:57.080 the right side of

00:32:57.900 history.

00:32:58.340 And so instead of

00:32:58.980 doing an honest

00:32:59.960 take, looking around

00:33:01.120 the country and

00:33:01.680 being like, hey,

00:33:03.040 people really need

00:33:04.080 things.

00:33:04.520 I wonder what kind

00:33:05.300 of policies we

00:33:06.500 should be putting

00:33:07.100 in place to help

00:33:07.940 people with 18%

00:33:09.380 groceries inflated,

00:33:11.060 right?

00:33:11.360 Instead, they do

00:33:12.220 this pantomime of

00:33:13.400 politics around

00:33:14.420 identity because

00:33:16.160 then they don't

00:33:17.220 have to talk about

00:33:18.040 the real issues.

00:33:18.980 And that's really

00:33:19.440 what we were seeing

00:33:20.220 there is extremely

00:33:21.480 wealthy people

00:33:22.700 pretending they're

00:33:23.400 on the right side

00:33:24.000 of history.

00:33:25.100 And like all,

00:33:26.520 can you imagine

00:33:27.040 how embarrassed

00:33:27.620 you'd be if your

00:33:28.720 introduction included

00:33:29.740 something about

00:33:30.420 your color?

00:33:31.980 Like your race?

00:33:33.900 What the fuck are

00:33:34.720 you bringing up

00:33:35.300 her skin color for?

00:33:36.600 You're so fucking

00:33:37.700 weird.

00:33:38.500 I'm sorry, but

00:33:39.340 like in defense of

00:33:40.900 Kamala Harris, you

00:33:41.620 couldn't find one

00:33:42.980 thing she did as

00:33:43.980 vice president.

00:33:44.760 I might not have

00:33:45.820 liked what you

00:33:46.860 might cite, but I'm

00:33:47.860 sure the left, you

00:33:48.500 could find something.

00:33:49.600 I don't know.

00:33:49.900 She went down to

00:33:50.600 Tennessee after those

00:33:51.520 three pro-abortion

00:33:52.660 people, you know,

00:33:53.800 threw a fit.

00:33:54.520 Something.

00:33:55.480 She's the first to go

00:33:56.340 to Planned Parenthood

00:33:57.300 as a sitting vice

00:33:58.200 president.

00:33:58.680 Something that the

00:33:59.280 left would, her skin

00:34:00.520 color is brown.

00:34:02.180 I mean, that's really

00:34:02.700 what she was saying.

00:34:03.800 How offensive.

00:34:05.260 But you're right.

00:34:05.980 That's what they

00:34:06.620 worship there.

00:34:07.360 It's not like Jesus

00:34:08.260 because that's not who

00:34:09.140 she worships.

00:34:09.840 She worships skin

00:34:10.980 color, which was on

00:34:12.440 display.

00:34:12.800 So then comes the

00:34:14.580 following.

00:34:15.660 Kamala offers the

00:34:16.860 following little ditty

00:34:18.260 about her name and

00:34:20.140 what her stepchildren

00:34:21.380 call her.

00:34:22.020 Listen here.

00:34:23.240 We, um, we kind of

00:34:25.740 don't use the term

00:34:26.920 step because I just

00:34:29.060 think I'd love Disney.

00:34:30.320 However, Disney kind of

00:34:31.600 messed that up for a lot

00:34:34.080 of us over the years,

00:34:35.040 you know, the evil

00:34:35.840 step-parent.

00:34:36.780 Um, and their word

00:34:38.640 for me is Mamala.

00:34:40.500 And so they call me

00:34:41.900 Mamala.

00:34:43.520 All right.

00:34:44.680 That's fine.

00:34:45.440 I actually think that's

00:34:46.180 kind of cute.

00:34:47.060 It's kind of clever.

00:34:48.000 I, I, fine.

00:34:49.820 Here's the follow-up by

00:34:50.940 Drew Barrymore.

00:34:53.040 I keep thinking in my

00:34:54.760 head that we all need

00:34:58.500 a mom.

00:34:59.300 I've been thinking that

00:35:00.460 we really all need a

00:35:01.820 tremendous hug in the

00:35:03.140 world right now.

00:35:04.080 Yeah.

00:35:04.640 But in our country, we

00:35:07.100 need you to be Mamala

00:35:08.180 of the country.

00:35:08.960 Thank you.

00:35:09.460 Thank you.

00:35:12.820 Yeah.

00:35:15.560 I mean, yeah, no, I

00:35:19.580 know.

00:35:20.460 And as a woman who

00:35:22.780 respects so much and

00:35:25.280 wants to share and wants

00:35:26.980 to be confident and has

00:35:28.420 no ounce of meat that

00:35:31.660 has competitiveness.

00:35:33.160 Yeah.

00:35:33.420 When we lift each other

00:35:35.260 up, we all rise.

00:35:36.740 That's exactly right.

00:35:38.700 Oh, my God.

00:35:39.760 That's right.

00:35:40.660 That's right.

00:35:42.520 That's right.

00:35:44.040 However, we need a

00:35:46.480 great protector.

00:35:48.800 Oh, my God.

00:35:51.220 She wants us to believe

00:35:53.180 that that great protector

00:35:54.800 who we apparently all need

00:35:56.880 and desperately want is

00:35:58.760 Kamala Harris.

00:35:59.460 Just once again, another

00:36:00.720 word on the fake behavior,

00:36:03.040 the affectation of Drew

00:36:04.220 Barrymore.

00:36:04.740 Too close.

00:36:05.800 She ran on top of her

00:36:06.760 like she's her microphone.

00:36:08.580 You can see she's on top

00:36:10.040 of her.

00:36:10.440 Get get out of my

00:36:12.140 personal space.

00:36:13.240 And then again, with the

00:36:14.500 I can't really do it

00:36:15.740 because my Botox is too

00:36:16.880 intact.

00:36:17.840 I'll try to push my

00:36:18.580 eyebrows.

00:36:18.880 It's like that with her

00:36:20.360 eyebrows like, oh, oh,

00:36:22.660 oh, we're all so or just

00:36:26.760 hurting.

00:36:27.380 You know why we're hurting?

00:36:28.440 Because of her policies,

00:36:30.440 her policies, which are

00:36:31.840 outlined in your book, by

00:36:32.840 the way, second class.

00:36:33.840 So what did you make of it?

00:36:35.760 No, totally.

00:36:36.560 America doesn't need a hug.

00:36:38.160 We need a secure border.

00:36:39.740 We need inflation to come

00:36:41.140 down.

00:36:41.540 We need like better

00:36:42.660 affordable health care.

00:36:43.960 You know, we need to get

00:36:44.940 rid of the diploma divide.

00:36:46.600 We need to restore dignity

00:36:47.880 to the working class.

00:36:48.960 We need vocational

00:36:49.860 training.

00:36:50.600 We do not need a hug.

00:36:51.960 And you see here a real

00:36:53.660 difference in like the

00:36:55.320 working class culture,

00:36:56.640 conservative culture, and

00:36:57.800 then liberal elite culture.

00:37:00.140 You know, working class

00:37:01.100 people really value

00:37:02.440 autonomy.

00:37:03.740 They don't need their

00:37:04.840 politicians to tell them

00:37:06.160 what to believe.

00:37:07.240 They don't need their

00:37:07.800 politicians to share their

00:37:09.500 values or tell them how to

00:37:10.800 feel about things.

00:37:11.600 They just need them to

00:37:13.180 enact policies that

00:37:13.940 enables them to keep more

00:37:15.640 of their paycheck and

00:37:16.600 buy a home.

00:37:17.540 Like, that's all they

00:37:18.940 need.

00:37:19.780 Liberals, on the other

00:37:20.600 hand, they are super

00:37:22.160 into politics as a kind

00:37:24.820 of spirituality.

00:37:26.580 And so they need their

00:37:28.100 politicians to have some

00:37:29.640 sort of like spiritual,

00:37:31.640 psychological, like to

00:37:33.040 tell them what to think

00:37:34.260 and how to feel about

00:37:35.400 things because all of

00:37:36.560 their material needs are

00:37:37.400 being met because, again,

00:37:38.360 they're wealthy.

00:37:39.320 I mean, nine of the ten

00:37:40.280 richest counties vote for

00:37:41.960 Democrats.

00:37:42.380 Democrats, like 65% of

00:37:43.920 Americans who make more

00:37:44.880 than $500,000 a year,

00:37:46.900 Democrats.

00:37:47.620 Wall Street gave more

00:37:48.520 money to Joe Biden than

00:37:49.760 to Trump, right?

00:37:50.460 There's been this

00:37:51.120 realignment.

00:37:52.340 And rich people, they

00:37:53.900 look to these politicians

00:37:55.140 not for policy, which they

00:37:56.480 don't need, but for some

00:37:57.480 sort of spiritual guidance

00:37:59.220 because they have no sort

00:38:00.960 of internal sense of right

00:38:02.460 versus wrong anymore.

00:38:03.780 Thank you, universities.

00:38:05.480 And that's what we're

00:38:06.320 seeing here.

00:38:07.160 We're seeing a woman in

00:38:09.140 Drew Barrymore trying

00:38:10.180 to create some sort

00:38:12.080 of idol out of this

00:38:13.800 empty shell, which is

00:38:15.160 Kamala Harris, who

00:38:16.380 represents only being

00:38:18.500 female and being Black

00:38:19.860 and being Southeast

00:38:20.780 Asian, right?

00:38:21.680 She has no policy.

00:38:23.900 She is simply this

00:38:25.200 empty husk of identities

00:38:27.020 because the Democrats

00:38:28.820 went all in on this to

00:38:31.020 distract from their

00:38:32.220 plunder of the middle

00:38:33.220 class.

00:38:33.660 That's what we were

00:38:34.180 seeing there.

00:38:34.780 Oh, and if the nation

00:38:38.560 needed a hug, it never

00:38:41.560 in its right mind would

00:38:42.820 it go to Kamala Harris.

00:38:44.720 Like, there's nothing.

00:38:45.960 That's why it failed so

00:38:47.480 brilliantly, like so

00:38:48.640 miserably, I guess is the

00:38:49.940 word, because it was it

00:38:52.480 it was untrue.

00:38:54.380 If there had been even a

00:38:55.160 nugget of truth in it,

00:38:56.400 maybe it could have landed,

00:38:57.820 but it didn't because

00:38:59.520 that's not who you would go

00:39:01.440 to for a hug.

00:39:02.200 There's nothing warm and

00:39:03.900 fuzzy and comforting

00:39:05.840 about Kamala Harris.

00:39:08.040 Even the left would

00:39:09.580 back me up on this.

00:39:11.140 So it was just Drew

00:39:13.000 Barrymore being completely

00:39:14.860 obsequious because I guess

00:39:17.320 she was so thrilled she

00:39:19.480 got a sitting vice

00:39:20.540 president on her show.

00:39:22.660 It was an embarrassment.

00:39:24.800 It was almost as bad as

00:39:26.100 her Dylan Mulvaney

00:39:26.980 embarrassment.

00:39:28.140 Her inability to control

00:39:29.700 her over emotionality

00:39:31.280 is really a problem for her.

00:39:33.580 And it's a real turnoff

00:39:35.480 to somebody like me.

00:39:36.440 By the way, most of us

00:39:38.640 who have had good mothers

00:39:40.100 and I realize Drew

00:39:41.160 Barrymore may not be on

00:39:42.360 that list because she had

00:39:43.300 the stage mother who

00:39:44.060 pushed her and she was

00:39:45.280 doing drugs at a very

00:39:46.100 young age and all the

00:39:47.020 stuff that she's come out

00:39:47.900 with.

00:39:48.820 We know what a good

00:39:49.700 mother does.

00:39:50.440 A good mother doesn't

00:39:51.300 look at you and say you're

00:39:52.840 on your own.

00:39:53.320 I mean, you can't do it.

00:39:54.380 You need me to step in and

00:39:55.560 be your mama law who

00:39:56.600 handles these problems for

00:39:57.420 you.

00:39:57.520 A good mom says you got

00:39:59.700 this kid.

00:40:00.660 Life's tough, but so are

00:40:01.580 you.

00:40:01.960 You're good.

00:40:03.140 And that's that's not

00:40:04.680 what Drew Barrymore needs

00:40:05.900 or was asking for.

00:40:06.800 She's used to a lifetime

00:40:07.920 of coddling and somebody

00:40:10.220 else doing it.

00:40:10.940 Here's another thing I

00:40:11.660 wanted to say.

00:40:12.640 This reminded me of the

00:40:13.740 following your comments.

00:40:16.120 Reese Witherspoon after

00:40:18.240 Kyle Rittenhouse was

00:40:20.540 acquitted.

00:40:21.580 Guarantee you this woman

00:40:22.440 did not watch one minute

00:40:23.900 of that trial.

00:40:24.840 No one should be able to

00:40:26.580 purchase a semi-automatic

00:40:27.660 weapon, cross state lines

00:40:29.780 and kill two people, wound

00:40:31.180 another and go free.

00:40:32.680 In what world is this safe

00:40:34.000 for any of us?

00:40:35.900 Reese Witherspoon with

00:40:37.100 undoubtedly her security

00:40:38.400 guards in her mansions and

00:40:40.240 her gates.

00:40:41.300 Yet another elite, rich woman

00:40:43.880 who has no clue why someone

00:40:46.480 might actually buy a semi-automatic

00:40:48.280 weapon and feel the need to

00:40:50.440 protect others.

00:40:51.580 Yeah.

00:40:51.700 And I think it's really

00:40:52.540 important to keep pushing

00:40:53.520 home this, you know, the

00:40:55.220 Democrats used to represent

00:40:56.760 labor and they abandoned

00:40:58.920 them to cater to the

00:41:00.340 college educated elite, the

00:41:02.240 educated rich, the cultural

00:41:04.020 elites in Hollywood and the

00:41:06.360 dependent poor.

00:41:07.720 So, you know, when you look at

00:41:08.860 every policy pushed by the

00:41:10.500 Democrats, it's either

00:41:11.500 appealing to the top 20% who

00:41:13.580 now control, by the way, over

00:41:14.680 50% of the GDP, thanks to the

00:41:16.480 Democrats or to the dependent

00:41:18.460 poor on the bottom, which means

00:41:20.480 that 70% of Americans who

00:41:22.520 want that autonomy, who want

00:41:24.440 the dignity of labor are being

00:41:26.760 left out in the cold because

00:41:28.040 all of the culture is being

00:41:29.180 produced by Drew Barrymore on

00:41:30.900 her knees, elevating Kamala

00:41:32.720 Harris, who can only hurt the

00:41:34.640 working class with her

00:41:35.780 democratic policies.

00:41:37.780 It's amazing.

00:41:38.920 It really, truly is amazing to

00:41:40.340 watch these women in their

00:41:42.760 cluelessness about what America

00:41:45.600 actually needs, wants and also

00:41:47.480 who's to blame.

00:41:48.360 Like, Drew Barrymore has no

00:41:50.060 idea.

00:41:50.800 She's probably, I bet she

00:41:52.360 doesn't know, like, how much a

00:41:54.000 carton of milk costs.

00:41:54.920 She probably doesn't.

00:41:55.640 She probably has somebody else

00:41:56.460 do all her shopping and that's

00:41:57.940 why she just wants to cheer on

00:41:59.240 this woman like she's a second

00:42:00.360 coming because she's got the

00:42:01.440 right skin color and she's got

00:42:03.300 a vagina.

00:42:04.180 And those are the things she

00:42:05.100 mentioned in her big intro.

00:42:07.360 It's offensive.

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00:43:09.960 Who shoots their puppy in the face?

00:43:15.840 Listen, I don't, I don't want to

00:43:18.500 be the one person out here

00:43:19.800 defending Kristi Noem.

00:43:20.920 I agree with you.

00:43:22.120 She's probably out of the veep

00:43:23.260 stakes.

00:43:23.780 I don't, I don't really care that

00:43:25.600 much about Kristi Noem.

00:43:26.700 And I agree with you.

00:43:28.460 It's bad politics to shoot your

00:43:31.440 puppy in the face and then to

00:43:33.580 brag about it.

00:43:34.420 I agree.

00:43:35.160 This is political campaign school

00:43:37.600 101.

00:43:38.360 It's not a smart thing to do.

00:43:40.480 However, however, in Kristi Noem's

00:43:42.580 defense, who do you want to be a

00:43:45.660 governor of your state?

00:43:46.800 Do you want someone who's really

00:43:48.340 nice and sensitive and feeling or do

00:43:50.840 you want some cold blooded killer who

00:43:53.220 takes cricket out to the gavel pit and

00:43:55.520 puts cricket down like old yeller

00:43:57.060 because he ate all the chickens?

00:43:57.960 These are not the choices.

00:43:58.280 You don't, you want the really nice.

00:44:00.960 No, you can choose someone who's

00:44:02.840 tough and not a puppy killer.

00:44:05.260 That's like, they're calling her the

00:44:07.080 Jeffrey Dahmer of dogs.

00:44:09.880 This is, she seemed to enjoy it.

00:44:12.120 She lost her temper.

00:44:13.940 I'll read the piece from the Guardian.

00:44:15.620 Okay.

00:44:15.820 We haven't seen her book yet, but this

00:44:18.120 is the excerpt from the Guardian, which

00:44:19.860 she's not denying.

00:44:22.120 This is her story.

00:44:23.800 Just to make it clear in her book, this

00:44:26.660 isn't like some tabloid outed it and

00:44:29.360 she's denying it.

00:44:30.520 It's, they got a copy of her book in

00:44:32.660 advance.

00:44:33.800 Cricket was a wire hair pointer about

00:44:35.500 14 months old.

00:44:37.000 She writes in her new book and she said

00:44:40.300 the dog had quote, an aggressive

00:44:41.880 personality and needed to be trained to

00:44:44.300 be used for hunting pheasant.

00:44:46.000 She says, she includes a story to show

00:44:48.860 how she's willing to do anything

00:44:50.200 difficult, messy, and ugly if it needs

00:44:52.320 to be done.

00:44:53.300 By taking cricket on a pheasant hunt with

00:44:55.080 older dogs, Noem says,

00:44:56.320 she hoped to calm, calm the young dog

00:44:58.820 down.

00:44:59.760 All right.

00:45:00.000 First of all, who thinks an overly

00:45:01.680 excitable young dog is going to calm

00:45:04.780 down on a pheasant hunt with other

00:45:07.240 dogs?

00:45:08.140 That's stupid, right?

00:45:10.360 Hello.

00:45:11.000 Why don't you just put it in front of a

00:45:12.120 bunch of birds it naturally wants to

00:45:13.940 kill and its ancestors have been

00:45:15.680 trained for generations to kill.

00:45:17.240 And that'll bring, it'll be just like a

00:45:19.020 Xanax for the dog.

00:45:21.540 Unfortunately, Cricket ruined the hunt

00:45:23.660 going, quote, out of her mind with

00:45:25.940 excitement, chasing all those birds and

00:45:28.720 having the time of her life.

00:45:30.260 This would be the beginning of Cricket's

00:45:32.260 death sentence for Governor Noem.

00:45:34.840 Noem describes calling Cricket and then

00:45:37.620 using an electronic collar to attempt to

00:45:39.360 bring her under control.

00:45:40.260 Nothing worked.

00:45:41.220 Then on the way home after the hunt, as

00:45:42.740 Noem stopped to talk to a local family,

00:45:45.100 Cricket escaped Noem's truck and attacked

00:45:48.880 the family's chickens.

00:45:50.380 Quote, grabbing one chicken at a time,

00:45:53.500 crunching it to death with one bite,

00:45:55.220 then dropping it to attack another.

00:45:57.540 Okay.

00:45:58.200 Do you know what my Strudwick would do if

00:46:00.040 I brought him near a chicken farm or

00:46:03.100 anywhere near there was there were

00:46:04.620 chickens?

00:46:05.100 He would do exactly the same thing.

00:46:06.800 And he is the sweetest big glug you've

00:46:08.940 ever seen.

00:46:09.820 They're dogs.

00:46:10.880 They see this as food, as prey.

00:46:13.240 He doesn't.

00:46:14.100 The dog didn't understand that it wasn't

00:46:16.080 for him to eat.

00:46:17.240 But she refused to train him.

00:46:20.740 He's the sweetest dog.

00:46:21.760 Tell that to the chickens.

00:46:23.240 Won't somebody please think of the

00:46:25.720 chickens?

00:46:26.180 It occurs to me that this memoir, this

00:46:28.960 episode that Christian Noem is

00:46:30.240 recounting, it's sort of the opposite of

00:46:32.460 Richard Nixon's checkers speech.

00:46:34.660 When the left was attacking Richard

00:46:36.720 Nixon, really trying to push him out of

00:46:38.340 politics, he realized that by hugging

00:46:40.780 this little puppy, he could win support

00:46:43.040 from everyone.

00:46:44.180 And so he said, you know, the one gift

00:46:45.620 I'm not going to give up is this sweet

00:46:46.840 little dog, Checkers.

00:46:48.280 Well, Christy Noem must have missed that

00:46:50.880 lesson in political class or she took the

00:46:52.660 opposite notes from it.

00:46:54.700 But in any case, I think we all know what

00:46:56.940 she was thinking here.

00:46:58.140 She was thinking that she's a female

00:47:00.420 politician.

00:47:01.520 And so she has a weakness because she's a

00:47:03.200 member of what has traditionally been

00:47:05.080 described as the weaker sex.

00:47:06.480 She's got to make herself look really tough.

00:47:08.540 If she wants to be a leader, she's got to

00:47:10.440 look like the Iron Lady.

00:47:11.580 She's got to pull a Maggie Thatcher.

00:47:12.840 And she thought that this would accomplish

00:47:14.800 that and appeal to her audience.

00:47:16.860 So it didn't work, obviously.

00:47:19.500 It was a pretty grisly killing.

00:47:21.420 We haven't even gotten to the part where

00:47:22.720 Governor Noem then turns her guns on some

00:47:25.700 poor goat that was also old and smelly and

00:47:28.240 angry and then shot the goat like multiple

00:47:30.500 times.

00:47:31.020 And it was a grisly account.

00:47:33.280 But if we can take ourselves away from the

00:47:35.420 emotion of it, Megan, I guess this is my

00:47:37.360 broader point.

00:47:38.200 I don't think there's anything wrong with

00:47:41.500 humanely killing an animal on a farm.

00:47:44.680 Could she have done something different?

00:47:46.100 Could she have given it up for adoption?

00:47:47.640 Could she have sent it to a farm upstate?

00:47:49.180 Maybe.

00:47:50.020 Right.

00:47:50.280 Like the horse is suffering and he has to

00:47:52.400 be put down.

00:47:53.260 Everyone gets that.

00:47:54.320 She wouldn't be getting the blowback that

00:47:56.400 she's getting now.

00:47:57.160 Or the dog had bit 17 people.

00:48:00.200 It was a mature dog.

00:48:01.400 She tried to rehab and train it.

00:48:03.220 Maybe then.

00:48:04.140 This dog was 14 months old.

00:48:06.080 And I'll tell you something.

00:48:07.380 We've been hearing from dog trainers all

00:48:09.800 weekend since this broke.

00:48:11.520 And I'm going to get to the details of what

00:48:12.920 she did.

00:48:13.820 But dog trainers are saying things like the

00:48:16.100 following.

00:48:17.000 This is a guy named Dan Lucen quoted in

00:48:19.460 Rolling Stone, professional hunting dog

00:48:21.220 trainer, saying a 14 month old dog is, quote,

00:48:24.560 a baby that doesn't know any better.

00:48:27.100 To me, it's a lack of guidance by the owner

00:48:29.200 or training by the owner or discipline of

00:48:31.460 the owner, he says, explaining that young

00:48:33.320 bird hunting dogs in training often go

00:48:36.260 through a slow process of introduction

00:48:38.920 to dead fowl before ever being around

00:48:42.480 gunshots.

00:48:43.760 There are a lot of steps, he says, that

00:48:45.340 you take before you take it to a field

00:48:47.180 and shoot birds over it.

00:48:49.520 Hello.

00:48:49.920 That's obvious even to those of us that

00:48:52.400 don't have traditional bird hunting

00:48:54.540 dogs.

00:48:54.820 Labs are meant to go retrieve the dead

00:48:56.240 carcasses.

00:48:56.760 Go ahead.

00:48:57.760 Megan, I think this this dog trainer has

00:49:00.140 accidentally hit on the real point here,

00:49:02.120 which is even 20, 30, 40 years ago, people

00:49:06.760 probably wouldn't have thought this was a

00:49:08.400 smart political story, but they wouldn't

00:49:10.340 have become so enraged as they are now.

00:49:12.740 And I think part of the reason why people

00:49:14.420 are getting enraged over Kristi Noem taking

00:49:16.300 her dog out back like old Yeller, even a

00:49:18.180 little young dog 20 years ago, is because we

00:49:21.220 now view dogs as babies.

00:49:22.980 That's what that trainer said.

00:49:24.060 It's a little baby.

00:49:24.920 And today, I'm not going to name which family

00:49:28.380 member of mine it was.

00:49:29.600 I have a family member who purchased a dog.

00:49:32.120 He rescued a dog from a very expensive breeder

00:49:34.100 in Texas, flew a guardian down to pick up the

00:49:37.280 little dog.

00:49:38.020 Then they flew back to New Jersey.

00:49:40.740 Then this relative of mine bought a stroller, a

00:49:44.020 nice expensive stroller to stroll the little dog

00:49:46.540 around so that the little doggies on vaccinated

00:49:49.080 paws wouldn't touch the nasty sidewalks of New

00:49:51.860 York and New Jersey.

00:49:53.000 This is crazy.

00:49:53.960 And you don't need to take my word for it.

00:49:56.260 The Holy Father, Pope Francis, has said we are

00:49:58.380 living in a culture now that is mistaking

00:50:00.680 animals, especially puppies, for children.

00:50:04.300 So as we have fewer and fewer children, and not

00:50:06.920 even through natural infertility, but choosing

00:50:08.940 to have fewer children, choosing not to get

00:50:10.900 married, we all of a sudden start to treat animals

00:50:13.800 like their kids.

00:50:15.080 And look, I'm all for the puppies.

00:50:16.780 You're off.

00:50:17.640 You're wrong.

00:50:18.340 You're wrong.

00:50:18.980 This is not it at all.

00:50:20.920 This is fine.

00:50:21.480 People, I mean, people have gone so far.

00:50:23.220 Forget dogs.

00:50:23.960 They have monkeys now.

00:50:24.920 They call them monk kids.

00:50:26.000 They put them in diapers.

00:50:27.000 They dress them.

00:50:27.760 Yes, there's a problem there.

00:50:29.220 But America loves its dogs.

00:50:32.520 They're not replacements for children nine times out of

00:50:35.520 ten.

00:50:36.120 They're in addition to the family that are messy and a hassle

00:50:39.460 and difficult and awesome.

00:50:41.380 And you get them because it's fun to love them and have

00:50:44.440 them love you and play with them and teach your children how

00:50:46.820 to care for animals and all of that.

00:50:48.860 So this is this thing is stretched across party lines.

00:50:52.420 It's true.

00:50:52.900 Democrats and Republicans are outraged by her behavior because

00:50:56.460 dogs tend to be extremely sweet.

00:50:59.580 And the fact that this puppy killed chickens, which are below

00:51:04.340 him or her cricket was a she on the the, you know, evolutionary

00:51:10.000 scale.

00:51:10.600 Right.

00:51:11.180 Thank you.

00:51:12.380 Doesn't say anything about how aggressive it was.

00:51:14.840 And she talks about how cricket allegedly came for her as she

00:51:19.220 tried to get it away from its meal, the chicken and cricket

00:51:22.920 snapped at her.

00:51:23.660 Again, many dogs that aren't aggressive would do that because they

00:51:28.900 see it as their food.

00:51:30.480 It needs to be trained.

00:51:31.740 She goes on to say cricket.

00:51:35.400 Behaved like a quote trained assassin when no finally grabbed

00:51:39.560 cricket, she says.

00:51:41.240 And by the way, another dumbass move to bring your puppy by a

00:51:45.560 chicken farm before you've trained it after you brought it out on

00:51:48.640 a pheasant hunt, thinking it would just know how to behave.

00:51:50.940 OK, the dog, quote, whipped around to bite me.

00:51:54.260 Right.

00:51:54.560 Because you were trying to take food out of its mouth.

00:51:56.860 Then as the chicken's owner wept, that's also a problem.

00:52:01.160 I don't know who's crying over their chickens.

00:52:03.240 OK, but that's I guess you get attached to your chicken.

00:52:05.620 Emily Zanotti, she would tell me so.

00:52:08.020 No, I love a good chicken.

00:52:09.440 She she she wrote.

00:52:12.240 I'm only I'm only sympathetic to the cute animals.

00:52:14.260 I've told my audiences before she she wrote the shocked family a

00:52:18.560 check.

00:52:18.900 OK, that was the right thing for Kristi Noem to do for the price

00:52:22.380 they asked and then help them dispose of the carcasses littering

00:52:26.900 the scene of the crime through it all.

00:52:29.120 Noem says cricket was the picture of pure joy.

00:52:32.840 Then she adds, I hated that dog.

00:52:35.740 Adding that cricket had proved herself untrainable, dangerous to

00:52:40.260 anyone she came in contact with and less than worthless as a

00:52:44.520 hunting dog.

00:52:45.180 At that moment, I realized I had to put her down, quote, unquote.

00:52:49.120 Noem then led cricket to a gravel pit, quote.

00:52:53.140 It was not a pleasant job, but it had to be done.

00:52:55.820 And after it was over, I realized another unpleasant job needed to

00:52:59.840 be done.

00:53:00.900 The Guardian.

00:53:01.660 Incredibly, Noem's tale of slaughter is not finished.

00:53:05.000 Her family, she writes, also owned a male goat that was nasty and

00:53:07.600 mean because it had not been castrated.

00:53:09.180 Furthermore, the goat smelled disgusting, musky, rancid and loved

00:53:13.160 to chase Noem's children, knocking them down and ruining what?

00:53:16.520 Their safety, their well-being.

00:53:18.060 No, their clothes.

00:53:19.160 Getting their clothes dirty, Michael.

00:53:21.220 Noem decided to kill that guy, too.

00:53:23.740 The same way she just killed Cricket the dog.

00:53:26.080 Though she dragged him to the gravel pit, the goat jumped out as she

00:53:29.840 shot and therefore survived the wound.

00:53:33.160 Noem went back to her truck, retrieved another shell, then hurried back to

00:53:36.860 the gravel pit and put him down as well.

00:53:39.980 At that point, she writes, she realized a construction crew had watched her

00:53:42.700 kill both animals.

00:53:44.100 The startled workers swiftly got back to work, she writes, only for a school

00:53:48.280 bus to arrive and drop off Noem's children.

00:53:51.020 Kennedy, her child, looked around, confused, this is her daughter, and

00:53:54.300 asked, where's Cricket?

00:53:57.200 Cricket's dead, shot in the face by mommy, Kennedy, who's now bragging about

00:54:02.700 it in a book.

00:54:03.860 There's no coming back from this.

00:54:05.920 She tried this morning, I'm reading that guy, Dan Lassen, Michael, to do like a

00:54:12.120 corrective tweet, you know, something to like stem the bleeding, saying, I can

00:54:16.620 understand why some people are upset about a 20-year-old story of Cricket, one of

00:54:20.840 the working dogs at our ranch in my upcoming book.

00:54:23.340 The book is filled with many honest stories in my life, good and bad days,

00:54:26.340 challenges, painful decisions, and lessons, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:54:29.040 The ratio on this, you know, meaning people who comment, people who liked it, 17,000.

00:54:35.000 People who have commented so far, 26,000.

00:54:38.360 The earlier two tweets, wishing a happy birthday to Melania Trump, completely

00:54:43.120 ratioed as well.

00:54:44.220 9,000 liked it.

00:54:46.200 Yeah, 7,000 and climbing on the dislikes and the comments.

00:54:50.000 And then she tried.

00:54:50.780 We love animals, but tough decisions like this happen all the time on a farm.

00:54:55.220 Sadly, we just had to put down three horses, blah, blah, blah.

00:54:58.300 Harsh ratio on that one, too.

00:55:00.720 America's not having it.

00:55:01.980 6,000 likes, 22,000 comments.

00:55:05.500 This is, honestly, this is political malpractice.

00:55:09.400 And she's managed to piss off 98% of all dog and pet lovers in America.

00:55:15.780 It will be studied for generations to come in poli-sci classes as a really dumb move.

00:55:21.380 There's no question.

00:55:21.960 My last defense, though, of Governor Noem, as you read that tale, I think we're getting

00:55:27.280 this image of Governor Noem as Patrick Bateman in American Psycho.

00:55:31.920 You know, Cricket, do you like Huey Lewis in the news, kind of putting on the smock and

00:55:35.400 everything?

00:55:35.660 And it's not, it'd be one thing if she were torturing this animal, but she just kind of

00:55:39.880 took him out back, said, look at the flowers, George, you know, and did a little of mice

00:55:43.760 and men kind of action, a little old yeller action.

00:55:46.380 And so she's having the time of her life.

00:55:50.580 As this psycho dog was gleeful, you know, at the bodies of the chickens, you know, tossing

00:55:55.160 them in the air.

00:55:55.960 It wasn't psycho.

00:55:56.500 That's normal.

00:55:57.280 That's normal behavior.

00:55:59.560 My dog, every time Stredwick sees a squirrel or a rabbit run across our property,

00:56:06.000 he's almost frothing at the mouth.

00:56:08.180 He's so excited.

00:56:09.240 If he were just a little faster, he'd be killing them every day.

00:56:12.460 But he's kind of fat and a little slow, so he can't do it.

00:56:15.740 It's he's a dog.

00:56:17.040 Don't get a dog if you don't want something that's going to eat smaller critters running

00:56:21.460 across your property.

00:56:22.340 And don't bring your damn dog to the chicken farm.

00:56:24.940 Look, that is a very great point.

00:56:26.760 And first of all, you certainly shouldn't bring your dog to South Dakota these days.

00:56:29.720 I would definitely keep it, you know, away from that state.

00:56:32.680 But it's in their nature.

00:56:34.060 Absolutely.

00:56:34.580 And I totally agree with you that it's in their nature.

00:56:37.080 The political problem with all of this is, as I mentioned earlier, that sometimes we,

00:56:43.840 I think we anthropomorphize our animals a little too much.

00:56:47.220 So Philip Raines, the former spokesman for Hillary Clinton, top aide to the Clintons for

00:56:51.660 many years.

00:56:52.260 He went on TV, on CNN to talk about, you know, Cricket Gate.

00:56:56.620 And he said, this is dreadful.

00:56:59.360 I have two cats.

00:57:00.900 I love animals.

00:57:01.840 I actually prefer animals to humans.

00:57:04.020 And I think a lot of people agree with that these days.

00:57:06.600 But animals, as we were talking about the order of creation, they are less than human

00:57:10.520 because they don't have rational souls.

00:57:12.500 That's why when they bite chickens, we don't put them on trial.

00:57:14.780 We don't have multiple prosecutions of dogs or anything like that.

00:57:20.020 And there are two things that I think are true here at once.

00:57:25.880 One is that the animals don't have any particular rights.

00:57:29.980 They don't have a rational soul.

00:57:31.360 They're not going to go to college.

00:57:33.080 They're here to serve us.

00:57:34.340 They're here for our fun and enjoyment.

00:57:36.040 And we're called to be good stewards of them because we have humanity and all this stuff

00:57:39.100 we've just been talking about.

00:57:39.960 And also, and this is probably the more important political fact, people really like their dogs.

00:57:46.100 And if you want people to vote for you, you shouldn't brag about gleefully killing the

00:57:51.340 dogs and then the goats.

00:57:53.100 Who knows?

00:57:54.060 Yeah.

00:57:54.500 Yeah.

00:57:54.860 I agree.

00:57:55.600 I agree with that.

00:57:56.560 You are clearly not a dog owner, Michael Knowles.

00:57:58.860 Do you?

00:57:59.520 I'm a people person, Megan.

00:58:00.980 You admit you have no dog.

00:58:02.940 I have no dog.

00:58:03.920 I have no dog.

00:58:04.480 I have no cat.

00:58:05.300 I have no goldfish.

00:58:07.260 I was clear to all of us.

00:58:08.840 Here's another one.

00:58:09.960 The Daily Beast interviewed Cole Jensen of Badlands Kennel, said wire-haired pointers

00:58:14.980 are known as the most aggressive of the hunting breeds.

00:58:18.240 Quote, I find it very unlikely she wouldn't have known that before bringing one home.

00:58:22.600 Quote, it sounds like this dog was just not trained properly.

00:58:25.460 It's a common problem that any trainer worth his salt can help with.

00:58:28.980 Maybe you don't just put a bullet in its brain just before Kennedy gets off the school

00:58:33.440 bus saying, where's cricket?

00:58:35.720 This is so effed up on many levels.

00:58:38.000 I'm dying to know my audience's thoughts.

00:58:40.680 You know what?

00:58:40.980 Maybe we'll take some calls on this throughout the Michael Knowles segment.

00:58:43.300 You guys can call in.

00:58:43.980 What's our number?

00:58:44.400 I always forget our number.

00:58:45.600 What's our number, you guys?

00:58:47.860 Hold on.

00:58:48.700 Usually they have it hanging in the studio, so I don't forget it.

00:58:53.240 Steve Krakauer, what's our number?

00:58:54.780 What is it?

00:58:55.960 Nobody knows it, Michael.

00:58:56.980 You can call my cell phone.

00:58:59.500 I'll put it on speaker.

00:59:00.740 833-446.

00:59:02.240 What's the last four?

00:59:05.580 3496.

00:59:06.180 Okay.

00:59:06.460 833-446-3496.

00:59:09.180 833-446-3496.

00:59:12.500 446-3496.

00:59:13.860 Okay.

00:59:14.120 Call us and we'll let our audience be the judge.

00:59:17.300 Okay.

00:59:18.300 Was she right to shoot cricket?

00:59:19.780 Or is Michael Knowles right in saying it's a free-for-all on your puppies?

00:59:27.540 This is going to be, you know, about twice a year, I go on C-SPAN's Washington Journal,

00:59:32.640 which has the Democrat phone line, and I just get hit with a barrage of attacks.

00:59:38.380 I think that is going to look like a walk in the park compared to what people are going

00:59:41.920 to send to me over cricket.

00:59:43.900 That's going to be the, that should be the title of Kristi Noem's memoir.

00:59:46.420 Where is cricket?

00:59:47.280 A political life.

00:59:48.160 Governor Kristi Noem.

00:59:48.940 This is good.

00:59:49.940 She can't run.

00:59:50.840 Literally, if you ran against her, every single ad would start with a picture of cricket.

00:59:54.440 And there's a picture, we'll put it on, on, for the YouTube show.

00:59:57.320 There's a picture of the dog is absolutely adorable.

00:59:59.620 It's so cute.

01:00:00.360 If I could tell you the number, do you have any idea how much money I have spent on trainers

01:00:04.160 for my Stradwick?

01:00:05.300 I mean, we had dog commander, five-time W, five-time winner, BOW.

01:00:08.920 He came, Stradwick came back.

01:00:10.580 He was well-behaved for five days.

01:00:12.300 He was amazing.

01:00:13.200 And he went back.

01:00:14.340 And then we had another guy who was wonderful.

01:00:16.160 He was a reform monk.

01:00:17.360 He used to be like, not reform, but like, you know, was once.

01:00:20.860 He was great.

01:00:21.920 But Strud is a strong personality.

01:00:24.520 And unless you have all day to sit with the dog and reinforce these trainings, sometimes

01:00:31.080 they don't behave.

01:00:32.520 Strud is alive and well.

01:00:33.800 Because I have a heart and I love him.

01:00:37.560 Abby's always saying, I can't believe you kept him.

01:00:39.380 I can't believe you haven't gotten rid of him, like giving him away and everyone killed

01:00:42.320 him.

01:00:42.920 I can't imagine looking a difficult dog in the face and putting a bullet between his eyes.

01:00:48.900 That takes a special kind of coldness.

01:00:51.080 Are you telling me you were never once, as your dog is jumping and breaking things and

01:00:56.280 tearing them, you were never once tempted by the gravel pit?

01:00:59.480 Never, never.

01:01:01.720 The worst I've gotten, Michael, is I've called poison control so many times and I've had

01:01:07.880 to give the dog the hydrogen peroxide mixed with the yogurt.

01:01:11.220 That's what the vet and the poison control tells you to do.

01:01:13.640 Don't do this at home unless you have the advice on how much hydrogen peroxide, because

01:01:16.980 that can kill the dog if you give too much.

01:01:18.840 Anyway, so many times, and I've spent so many thousands of dollars on endoscopies and the

01:01:25.160 looking at the intestines and all that I thought the next time he ate, like he just ate a whole

01:01:30.600 bottle of antibiotics.

01:01:32.180 Okay.

01:01:32.440 So the thought has occurred to me, we'll see what happens.

01:01:37.460 Let nature take its course.

01:01:38.360 We'll see.

01:01:38.900 We'll see.

01:01:39.620 So, but I don't, I do give the hydrogen peroxide to get the antibiotics out, but I'm not going

01:01:46.160 to lie, the thoughts occur to me like, maybe it's Darwinism.

01:01:49.220 Maybe, you know, it's nature.

01:01:51.680 It's nature as we say.

01:01:53.760 I could never hurt him.

01:01:56.920 I love him.

01:01:57.800 Even though he aggravates me.

01:01:59.060 I love him.

01:01:59.560 I love him.

01:02:00.720 Not the same way I love my kids, but I adore the dog.

01:02:03.940 You fall in love with, most normal humans fall in love with their dogs and would never

01:02:09.240 hurt them.

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