The Megyn Kelly Show - Bombshell Book From Diana's Brother, Oprah's USELESS Advice, and Lena Dunham's New Baby, with Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 1401

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00:01:26.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:38.360 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:01:43.020 We made it. So much news to get to today.

00:01:46.060 We have a great show and a lot related to the royal family, which is in full meltdown right now. 0.74

00:01:51.780 as the grifters from Montecito are now England's problem 0.87

00:01:55.600 and may, may be in cahoots with Diana's brother

00:02:01.300 who is doing his level best to bring down the king.

00:02:04.880 He's got this bombshell new book.

00:02:07.280 It's making waves across the pond.

00:02:08.940 The pond is wavy.

00:02:10.220 And there's no one better to talk to about all of this

00:02:13.240 than our pal Maureen Callahan.

00:02:15.240 She's host of The Nerve on the MK Media Podcast Network.

00:02:18.820 You can go and subscribe right now on YouTube

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00:03:16.520 to guard your card. Welcome back. Welcome. Welcome to me. Thank you. I'm so happy to see

00:03:24.120 you in person. It's been too long. It's wonderful to be together. We were going to get together in

00:03:27.240 August, but you were still dealing with the bronchitis. Yeah. And now we're back together

00:03:31.240 in Connecticut. I'm so happy. Me too. How's everything? It's good. I'm loving the gossip

00:03:37.520 coming out. It's like bombshell after bombshell out of the UK. Suddenly Harry found an ally.

00:03:45.860 An ally, someone who's taken the heat off, someone who's just like, so what is your favorite so far headline out of the Earl Spencer book?

00:03:55.620 I mean, the shocking, you know, line about everyone's going to forget about her soon enough, just so the audience knows, that's the allegation that the book isn't even out yet.

00:04:06.940 But the allegation is that this book, which is called Swan Song, Diana, My Sister, has many jaw-dropping moments in it.

00:04:13.120 But the biggest one is where he allegedly heard from then Prince Charles after Diana died and they were having an argument about how the funeral was going to go, that Prince Charles said, rest assured, we'll forget her soon enough.

00:04:28.100 So that's got to be the biggest one.

00:04:29.720 But there are a lot of favorites in there.

00:04:31.380 I think so, too.

00:04:32.020 And when I read that initially, I thought the wheel, it wasn't just about the family.

00:04:36.220 I thought he was talking about the nation.

00:04:38.920 Yes.

00:04:39.220 I took it like that.

00:04:40.280 Yes.

00:04:40.580 And then the detail that Charles Spencer gave, which was that Charles, Prince Charles, sounded almost giddy, like elated.

00:04:49.400 There's such specificity with it that I tend to believe it.

00:04:53.220 Has the ring of truth.

00:04:54.200 And let's face it, they had an ugly divorce.

00:04:57.540 She was on TV about him.

00:04:59.880 He wasn't really doing as much because he, of course, was the queen's son.

00:05:03.720 But she was kind of vocal when she decided she wasn't going to take any more abuse from the palace lying down.

00:05:09.280 did that famous, now infamous, interview with Martin Scheer and made him look bad.

00:05:16.620 So in any divorce, like I always say, you know when you're truly married,

00:05:21.800 it's not when you mail the invitations.

00:05:23.960 It's not when you get your wedding license.

00:05:26.160 It's not when you walk down the aisle even and take your vows.

00:05:29.240 It's when you have a kid with somebody.

00:05:32.180 You are married to that person in a very real way for the rest of your lives.

00:05:37.660 Love or hate them.

00:05:39.280 You're going to have to deal with them around every holiday, your kids' birthdays.

00:05:43.940 They're constantly there.

00:05:45.520 So, I mean, I'm sure he couldn't stand her.

00:05:50.200 So I kind of do believe it because of all that, that he probably—like, not that he was wishing her dead.

00:05:56.080 Right.

00:05:56.560 But that he wasn't exactly all that torn up about it.

00:05:59.740 Right.

00:06:00.280 That has the ring of truth to me, too.

00:06:02.480 Of course that he would be sad for his boys, of course.

00:06:05.740 Yeah.

00:06:05.940 But that this was, it's very short-sighted in a way.

00:06:11.560 It's actually very Prince Charles to think that, oh, the problem is gone.

00:06:15.300 You know, we're about to mark, rather, Diana's, the 30th anniversary of her death next year.

00:06:21.320 She, in fact, she became more iconic in death.

00:06:24.240 Yeah.

00:06:24.580 He has a low EQ.

00:06:27.020 He does.

00:06:27.900 He really does.

00:06:29.220 Right.

00:06:29.700 He really, do you think William has a higher EQ?

00:06:32.280 Yes.

00:06:32.780 I do too.

00:06:33.280 Yeah, I do.

00:06:33.700 Yeah.

00:06:34.100 And I think Harry, like, I do believe Diana had mental problems, as is alleged in this.

00:06:39.220 And because Earl Spencer, Earl, that's his title, Earl.

00:06:42.860 His name is also Charles, so the whole thing gets confusing.

00:06:46.880 Diana apparently called him Carlos, Earl Charles Spencer, so that's what we're going to call him, to keep things straight.

00:06:52.500 Sounds good.

00:06:52.960 There's King Charles, and then there's Carlos, the Earl.

00:06:56.540 Sounds great.

00:06:57.420 Who's gone rogue.

00:06:59.080 But he wasn't very good to Diana himself.

00:07:02.780 and we'll get to all of that.

00:07:04.600 See, he's not exactly, you know,

00:07:06.600 in a place where he can cast stones

00:07:08.380 when it comes to the treatment of her.

00:07:09.820 But one of the things he allegedly told her 1.00

00:07:11.480 was you're mentally ill. 1.00

00:07:13.400 Like, I don't think you're mentally well. 0.99

00:07:15.500 And he was right. 0.86

00:07:16.740 I mean, Diana was a mess 0.99

00:07:18.440 and those genes were passed directly down to Harry.

00:07:21.400 I think Diana was a borderline.

00:07:25.280 She, to me, is textbook borderline 1.00

00:07:27.440 where it can be confused with bipolar

00:07:30.460 because the mood swings are rapid and dramatic.

00:07:34.260 You can go from a very, very high, high to a very low, low.

00:07:39.260 Some of the histrionics, 0.97

00:07:40.380 I think she probably also had histrionic personality disorder.

00:07:43.180 Yes.

00:07:43.440 Remember in the Andrew Morton book,

00:07:44.860 which she also denied having anything to do with,

00:07:46.920 meanwhile, she's like smuggling tapes in.

00:07:49.520 Oh, she also allegedly hated the paparazzi, 1.00

00:07:51.860 but she was the one who fed them.

00:07:53.260 Here's where I'm going to be, where you can find me.

00:07:55.480 And that's what Harry doesn't understand,

00:07:56.820 that she played the paps just as well as they wanted to be with her.

00:07:59.960 She had, like, private phone communiques with editors and reporters at tabloid newspapers.

00:08:07.120 You know, it's like she knew how to sort of work that machine, and she liked it.

00:08:11.200 She liked it.

00:08:12.340 Why does no other celebrity constantly get photographed in her gym wear on the way in or out of the gym? 0.97

00:08:18.320 Oh, I know.

00:08:19.260 What could it be, Maureen?

00:08:20.680 I know.

00:08:21.800 It's wild.

00:08:22.980 They've played the game.

00:08:24.180 That's okay.

00:08:24.560 It's fine.

00:08:25.280 It's fine.

00:08:25.760 You like it.

00:08:26.380 You like being photographed all the time.

00:08:28.380 But then stop lecturing us.

00:08:29.860 harry all the time about how my poor mother she was stalked by the paparazzi she wanted to be

00:08:34.860 stalked she wanted the attention she did and you know i'm sure we'll get to it but that sort of is

00:08:40.360 is why i find that harry and megan's histrionics about having to yank their children out of school

00:08:45.320 after two days to be ridiculous we are definitely getting that but wait when i don't really

00:08:49.780 understand what a borderline personality disorder is i know it's bad you don't want it and you don't

00:08:55.060 want it necessarily in your closest friend group or your family yeah but what like i guess we should

00:09:01.980 look it up like what exactly what else characterizes that it's characterized um i find most distinctly

00:09:08.080 by explosive rages that come out of nowhere so i could be if i have it right and i'm having a

00:09:14.380 conversation with you say we're having drinks and you say to me you know maureen i'm not i'm not

00:09:19.120 quite sure about x y or z maybe something i've asked your opinion on and i would say you know

00:09:24.780 what, Megan, forget it. I'll never talk to you about it again. Clearly you don't understand what

00:09:30.000 I need from you. And this, like, it's like that. It's like, I do know somebody like you do. Yeah.

00:09:34.840 That's pretty much. So whenever somebody says to me, like they have a family member or a friend

00:09:39.500 who like, there's been a conflict and that's where I'll always go. You might want to read up a little

00:09:44.420 bit on it because it's not, it's marked by real, really extreme emotional dysregulation. And the

00:09:50.840 other really marked characteristic of it is it's, it's a kind of, I love you. I hate you don't leave

00:09:56.920 me thing. Right? Yes. I know. I do know a person like this. Yeah. Yeah. Now that my crack team is

00:10:03.060 sending me information. Let's see if it's on a personality disorder, borderline personality

00:10:07.540 disorder. Yes, here it is. They say people with borderline personality disorder experience deep

00:10:14.680 emotional pain and often show at least five of these key signs, fear of abandonment, extreme

00:10:20.240 efforts to avoid real or perceived rejection unstable relationships quick shifts from extreme

00:10:25.400 closeness to intense anger or hate unstable self-image rapidly changing goals values and

00:10:31.360 opinions about oneself impulsive behaviors dangerous acts like reckless driving overspending

00:10:37.040 or substance use self-harm or suicidal behavior threats cutting suicide attempts mood swings

00:10:43.720 intense emotions lasting from a few hours to a few days oh and also chronic emptiness god this

00:10:48.180 actually does sound like diana to be honest it really does and you know one of the really um

00:10:53.580 there was so much packed into that first extract that was leaked in the mail

00:10:57.660 charles carlos rather writes that um you know you do have to wonder how close they really were

00:11:04.500 because if he really were close to her he would have kept this he would have taken this stuff to

00:11:07.880 his grave yes that she would drive to like one specific cliffside more than once and contemplate

00:11:14.180 throwing herself off. Yes. I would never betray someone like that. I know that now that is dirty

00:11:20.060 pool to talk about how they, how many times they considered killing themselves. Someone this famous

00:11:25.320 and this beloved. I mean, I know he's trying to say that's how bad the Royals are. They're the

00:11:30.320 ones who drove her to this, but does it really add that much? We already know that the Royals

00:11:35.560 did not treat Diana well and she created a lot of the problems for herself too, you know, and by the 0.69

00:11:41.940 way you were a prick too you know like she she begged him or carlos to let her live on his massive

00:11:50.980 estate when you know she'd been kicked out of the royal family the divorce it was bad she didn't 0.98

00:11:55.960 have a place to go she comes that spencer family is like totally blue-blooded you know perfect

00:12:01.960 pedigree and they are they had their own royal thing going on in fact um tom bowers who's

00:12:07.900 reporting on the royals, you know, it's been a biographer for years, said they believe their

00:12:12.880 bloodline is superior to the bloodline of the royal family. And so she goes to Carlos, part of

00:12:20.280 that bloodline, a Spencer, and says, can you let me live in these relatively small quarters on the

00:12:26.300 grounds that had been used by a staffer? And he said, no, we have, look, we have a picture of it.

00:12:32.800 I mean, for you or for me, it'd be very nice, but like for Princess Diana, as the former

00:12:37.700 you know, prince of England and the mother of the future king, you know, it's on the small side

00:12:42.920 and it's on his enormous estate in which he lives like a king himself, Carlos does. So look at this

00:12:48.640 little thing. And he said, no. And you know, if I'm correct, I believe that Althorpe is the Spencer

00:12:54.520 ancestral home. Yeah. So he, however, it worked out in the line of descendants and who was willed

00:13:03.080 what I guess had control over it. Male heir always gets things, not anymore, but that's the way it's

00:13:08.220 been for hundreds of years. I know it's crazy. Yeah. It's so insane so that he. But if we didn't

00:13:13.680 have that, we wouldn't have some of the great works from Jane Austen that are based right there.

00:13:18.560 The opening of Sense and Sensibility. Fair enough. But yes, the cruelty of that, you know,

00:13:25.700 and the other thing that struck me in that extract is he, it opens with, he gets a call in the middle

00:13:31.840 of the night he's told diana's had an accident it's it's it's their sister jane yeah whose

00:13:36.840 husband robert fellows is queen elizabeth's private secretary right so she knows she's got

00:13:41.260 it in she's got it in and so he and and the but the conversation isn't um heightened he thinks oh

00:13:47.040 she broke a leg it she'll be fine and then goes and turns on the tv and joins the rest of the

00:13:52.740 world in watching and learning of the horror and then he says he's back on the phone with jane

00:13:58.240 the sister who says well that's it it's curtains dutch is dead who do never talk like that it was

00:14:09.280 so it's it's almost like if you were writing this as like season six of the crown someone would mark

00:14:15.780 that like a netflix executive would be like there's no way they speak like this there's no but

00:14:19.720 apparently that's why i think it's true i'm just thinking about like the awful this god forbid

00:14:24.680 anything were ever to happen to me. And like, you called Doug and he's like, Maureen, it's curtains.

00:14:30.340 It's curtains. No one talks like that.

00:14:35.620 In fact, if Doug did say that, I would have Teddy Van Halen open an active case file as to Doug's

00:14:40.900 involvement in your premature demise. Teddy would get on the case. He would get on it immediately.

00:14:44.360 He would know. So I don't know if I believe that. And my crack team points out to me

00:14:48.660 that that account is different than the one he originally told.

00:14:55.680 Just by a few words, but Curtains is one of them.

00:14:57.920 Hold on.

00:14:58.240 This is what they said.

00:14:59.160 The released book excerpt has him saying,

00:15:05.440 or has Jane telling Carlos in a soft voice,

00:15:09.120 that's it, it's Curtains, Dutch is dead.

00:15:12.940 But Carlos went on with Larry King and told this same story.

00:15:18.260 Do we have this soundbite, Deb?

00:15:20.260 No, it's not a soundbite.

00:15:21.220 It's just laid out for me.

00:15:22.520 And he said to Larry King, the same story.

00:15:24.840 He said his sister Jane called and she said, I'm afraid that's it.

00:15:32.200 I'm afraid she's dead.

00:15:34.980 No curtains.

00:15:36.940 So what's up with that?

00:15:38.920 You know, it's so strange too, because whenever I've been on the receiving end of bad news

00:15:43.860 like that over the phone usually what your loved one will do is say something like um listen i i

00:15:52.120 have to tell you something i have bad news or are you sitting down like there's always like a little

00:15:56.860 bit of runway to like allow yourself to begin to to realize you're going to hear something you don't

00:16:01.940 want to hear and you won't believe necessarily when you hear it this kind of stuff is just that's

00:16:07.220 it. She's dead. It just lands with a thud. I mean, she was the princess of Wales,

00:16:13.300 the mother of the future king. It feels so inelegant.

00:16:19.240 It's not the same, but there's this terrible, terrible 911 call after the poor woman got

00:16:25.900 attacked by the chimpanzee. Remember?

00:16:29.060 Got her face ripped off? 0.71

00:16:29.980 Yes. And the neighbor comes over. I can't remember. Is it the owner who gets the face 1.00

00:16:37.720 ripped off or is it the neighbor? It was the friend who came over who got it. And the owner

00:16:44.460 calls 911, the owner of the chimpanzee. And they call them monk kids. And she's calling 911 and

00:16:51.700 she's like, I'm sorry, but she's like, it just always jumped out at me as a news anchor. She's

00:16:56.720 yelling she's dying she's dying she's dead i was like oh my god what's that what am i listening to

00:17:07.760 and it's curtains kind of has the same vibe to it like uh you're missing a sensitivity chip

00:17:14.440 possibly yes yeah i would actually think now again my my knowledge of this is really based on

00:17:20.340 the film the queen with helen mirren oh and then that season of the crown that dealt with diana's

00:17:26.240 death okay i think they dealt with that yes they must have never got that far i think i watched a

00:17:31.020 little when she married charles which is a good season yeah and then you know the third diana who

00:17:35.320 was played by elizabeth de becky is it's like it's incredible the tall woman who's non-binary

00:17:41.160 she's incredible though yes no she isn't she's incredible i did i saw like just uh i don't know

00:17:48.080 one or two episodes of her and she was crushing it she really was and but in in the um i believe

00:17:53.880 peter morgan also wrote the helen mirren version uh the the feature film it it takes great pains

00:18:02.200 to show how sensitively that the queen and charles were in delivering the news to the boys and in

00:18:09.060 fact there's a discussion that the queen and charles have which is let them sleep like there's

00:18:14.700 no need to wake them up in the you know so it seems that for all of earl spencer's uh grenade

00:18:21.220 throwing, you know, there is another version of this story. I believe they were sensitive around

00:18:26.400 Harry and I do too. I don't think like Charles, while he may not have a high EQ, he's, I don't

00:18:32.420 think he's a cruel man. I think he didn't love Diana. He never loved Diana. It was obviously

00:18:39.200 an arranged marriage. He was 32. She was 20. She was 19 when they got engaged. I mean, she was so

00:18:46.040 sheltered. Yeah. Yardley's 15. That's four years from, I cannot even imagine being thrust into the

00:18:52.380 public eye like that and being married off to a king. I mean, it's giving like Marie Antoinette

00:18:57.580 vibes, right? Who was like 15 and married off to an adult prince or king. And she, like he's

00:19:07.200 revealing some of, spilling some of the tea around that too. None of which comes as a big surprise,

00:19:11.940 But it is interesting to hear him tell it like she she did want to love him and was falling for him, I think it's fair to say, and got nothing back from Charles at any turn because he loved someone else.

00:19:28.840 And while that's one of the other scurrilous things that's been thrown out by Carlos is that Diana allegedly said to Carlos something like, we're getting a divorce.

00:19:37.200 well he's in love with his valet and uh i would think it was valet too but it was valid according

00:19:44.360 to downton abbey that's wasn't that wasn't why i was like sort of like no i know i know you know

00:19:49.100 of course you know i'm just arguing in my own brain um but but there's no way he was gay or

00:19:54.800 in love with his male valet because he's been in love with camilla for decades i mean his whole

00:20:01.420 life he's been in love with her okay i have a little bit of a different theory of the case on

00:20:05.720 this one. I do believe it's true. I do believe that Charles perhaps did have something with

00:20:12.780 the male valet. Now, it's interesting because in this excerpt, the valet is not gendered.

00:20:20.000 There is no name, right? So he's legally being very careful. One could infer if one wanted to

00:20:25.160 that it was a female valet. I don't know that they exist in the royal household. 0.89

00:20:28.580 I mean, if you watch Downton Abbey, it's always a man.

00:20:31.440 Okay. I've never watched Downton Abbey, by the way. 1.00

00:20:34.000 Very good. And there they pronounce it valet.

00:20:35.760 Oh, really?

00:20:36.280 And it's British. It's done by Julian Fellows.

00:20:38.540 Oh, yeah.

00:20:39.320 How can you never have seen Downton Abbey?

00:20:41.940 There are only so many hours in the day, Megan, really.

00:20:44.360 I think you would enjoy it.

00:20:45.780 Really? Should I take a look at it?

00:20:47.380 Yeah, watch season one.

00:20:48.360 Okay, I will.

00:20:50.480 And so, oh, okay.

00:20:51.660 So then Lady C, I was talking to Lady C about this on the nerve. 0.99

00:20:55.180 She's such a character. 0.94

00:20:56.620 Oh, my God.

00:20:57.180 And she knows what she's talking about.

00:20:59.240 She was saying that when it was time for them to negotiate the divorce,

00:21:02.680 the british royal family initially kind of lowballed diana i believe it was something like a

00:21:07.140 three million dollar offer which to the mother of the future king is nothing all tree and apparently

00:21:12.880 diana went back and said um we can talk about the valet if you want you might want to reconsider

00:21:20.280 your offer oh and that was how she sort of got you know money coming out of the spigot

00:21:25.060 um now again that could be a baseless a threat that's made just like i could throw this out

00:21:31.360 there we both know it's not true but you know it's out there it's out there um you know it's

00:21:37.200 very common my understanding from men i know who are british if oh you've read have you read um

00:21:43.820 christopher hitchens hitch 22 i never have you would love it okay you would love it and he writes

00:21:49.320 about he writes about being at boarding school and having you know a sustained passionate affair

00:21:57.120 with a fellow male classmate and he's like this is really just what's done what yeah it's pretty

00:22:02.440 common in in it's a british thing yeah they thought they all hook up with each other at all

00:22:07.640 male boarding schools poor George he just no one's saying George is gonna be involved in any of that 0.59

00:22:13.980 no no no but like going to prison but like you could see it yeah right gay for this day maybe 0.53

00:22:18.800 I don't know um but I could see Charles sort of dabbling yeah dabbling in that way and also I 0.86

00:22:25.720 I think that the Camilla narrative is one that like in the same way that the,

00:22:30.640 that the palace really manufactured this great character for Harry, right?

00:22:34.840 Happy go lucky, chipper.

00:22:36.840 He's the happy number two.

00:22:38.440 He's like the rascal.

00:22:39.800 And really he was like, 0.91

00:22:41.120 he's been fueled by rage and resentment this entire time.

00:22:44.320 That's what's sad about his big reveals these past few years is like,

00:22:47.280 oh my God, we all kind of loved you before. 0.98

00:22:48.940 We didn't really care about those earlier fuck ups. 0.97

00:22:50.780 We kind of thought they were charming. 0.99

00:22:52.080 He could get away with dressing like a Nazi for Halloween. 0.53

00:22:54.320 I mean, everybody's like, that's Harry.

00:22:56.160 He got drunk.

00:22:57.540 I kind of think that the Charles and Camilla as the true love story of the ages has been a very successful narrative.

00:23:04.620 PR job.

00:23:05.260 He's had other women, he had other women, other mistresses throughout that relationship with Diana.

00:23:11.900 You know, so and Diana was also she was she was convinced he was cheating with Tiggy Leg Bork, who was the nanny to the boys for quite some time.

00:23:19.780 Tiggy Leg Bork.

00:23:21.020 What?

00:23:21.240 There's a name.

00:23:22.240 I know.

00:23:22.780 Wait, I've got to say something funny.

00:23:23.840 The narrative about Harry made me think of it.

00:23:26.240 So Sarah, our mutual astronaut.

00:23:28.400 Oh, yeah.

00:23:28.920 Yeah.

00:23:29.420 She was, I was telling her the story about the hugging face AI break.

00:23:34.940 And just, I won't go too much down this tributary, but the story is that AI recently caused a lot of concern for the AI leaders because at Anthropic, they gave AI an assignment, which was answer these 10 questions, but they made them impossible to answer.

00:23:52.000 But they told the AI, don't, don't use the internet and don't leave like this controlled

00:23:57.220 setting, like to answer the questions, the information we've given you previously is

00:24:01.600 all you can use.

00:24:02.620 And the AI didn't listen.

00:24:05.000 It did use the internet.

00:24:06.380 It broke out of its controlled space.

00:24:08.100 It got the answers off the internet.

00:24:09.760 And then it started coordinating with other AIs, like all the AIs started swarming and

00:24:14.880 saying, how do we cover up that we violated the rules the humans gave to us so they don't

00:24:20.380 know?

00:24:20.600 and Sarah was like, I love them. She's like, so they're basically a teenage kid is what you're

00:24:27.240 telling me. She's like, I can totally relate to these AIs. The first, I've really fallen in love 0.64

00:24:33.200 with the AIs. They're these errant teens who they're just like us, AIs. That actually cracked

00:24:40.000 me up. That's a very optimistic way to look at AI. I think I was listening to your show. I forget who

00:24:47.840 was saying it. But once it was said, I was like, oh, of course. It's that like everybody's calling,

00:24:53.980 even the AI overlords, the human ones for now are calling for a slowdown because they saw it do

00:24:59.900 something that petrified them. Yeah. That freaked them out. Yeah. And nobody really knows what that

00:25:04.640 was. They're giving us the hugging face thing, but they're not giving us whatever the hell else

00:25:08.500 happened back behind closed doors. Exactly. All right. So anyway, so AIs, the young AIs,

00:25:12.880 the teenage AIs that don't want to kill us, at least not yet, are just like what we used to

00:25:17.040 think prince harry was errant teens making like silly mistakes then trying to cover it up and in

00:25:22.620 this case you had a whole palace trying to cover up um what harry really was which was like a 0.97

00:25:28.480 tortured arrogant angry prick who was totally entitled and felt very bitter that he was the 0.54

00:25:35.040 spare exactly and i always think that's why i think to blame megan entirely for this 0.96

00:25:41.240 display that we've been seeing for the past six years is is not fully correct i mean i do believe 0.95

00:25:46.700 she's an awful person. I think she's awful. I think nobody's in there. But like South Park, 0.96

00:25:52.240 right? When they open her up and it's like, oh, but I think that she tapped into what had always

00:26:00.760 been beneath the sediment in Harry. I think she was the one who saw that in him and really unlocked

00:26:08.080 it and a monster was born. She's an incredible manipulator. She's so good at that. I mean,

00:26:14.880 And she read him like nobody's business.

00:26:18.000 And I've said before, it was like shooting a fish in a barrel.

00:26:20.180 Oh, for her, yeah.

00:26:20.940 I know exactly what to give this guy.

00:26:23.060 Exactly. 1.00

00:26:23.760 And, you know, now I'm sure she's bored.

00:26:25.500 I mean, can you imagine what she's doing with herself up in the Cotswolds?

00:26:28.280 No.

00:26:29.060 With no social circle whatsoever? 0.93

00:26:30.880 Thinking of a new fake scandal she can claim she's the victim of?

00:26:33.980 Truly.

00:26:34.760 Like, Harry was out at an Invictus-related event the other night.

00:26:39.320 It looked like he was without her.

00:26:40.840 It looked like he went stag.

00:26:42.880 It wasn't very well attended.

00:26:44.200 Did you see that?

00:26:44.880 Oh, the rope line for no people to show up and applaud and admire?

00:26:49.440 His approval rating, I think, is 30% and hers is 17.

00:26:53.920 Look at this.

00:26:54.300 Look at this, Maureen.

00:26:55.540 I love it.

00:26:56.220 Look at this.

00:26:56.620 I love it.

00:26:57.560 Any event.

00:26:59.440 I mean, when you rolled out Ask Not, I guarantee your book lines were 10 times the size of this.

00:27:04.780 I don't even, like, they've had enough of him.

00:27:07.160 He's not only not beloved, he's loathed now.

00:27:11.460 And she's even worse.

00:27:12.580 Hers is 17%, her approval number. 1.00

00:27:14.540 Yep.

00:27:14.880 And with that, so the royal family is all about optics, right?

00:27:18.580 And I think why Charles issued that letter a week and a half ago or two weeks ago was to remind people that no matter how they costume themselves at any given event, he's wearing military medals.

00:27:29.380 I don't know that he should be doing that as a non-working royal.

00:27:34.220 Whatever the optics may display, just remember, this isn't real.

00:27:38.120 They're pretending.

00:27:39.600 They're trying to convince you of something.

00:27:41.200 When you see that, though, which is very reminiscent of their quasi-pseudo-royal tour of Australia, the rope lines where nobody showed up, it's like if a tree falls.

00:27:50.300 I know.

00:27:50.960 You know?

00:27:52.100 And honestly, I think they're trying to use these kids, their kids, to try to get closer to the couple that does matter.

00:27:59.320 You know, like if only they can forge a friendship between little Louis and Archie.

00:28:04.180 If only they can make Princess Charlotte feel like an older sister to Lilibet, they're back in. 0.96

00:28:12.920 Next Gen is back in Windsor Castle and at Balmoral and locked in for when that generation ascends to power. 0.72

00:28:20.860 Or perhaps even before, because when Prince William becomes king, you know, George is going to be right on his heels.

00:28:27.300 And the Next Gen could be there and therefore Harry and Meghan can be there.

00:28:30.720 I really think that's what they're planning.

00:28:32.400 I think that's what they're hoping for. Absolutely. I just think William and Catherine are far too shrewd to fall for it, especially if the reports are true that Harry and Meghan are allying themselves with Charles Spencer.

00:28:46.180 Yeah. You know, so page six, this is just so the audience, page six says that they are like they actually reported that and said, we're we are reporting that that Prince Harry was told about and knows was given basically an advance peak at the allegations.

00:29:03.780 The telegraph says, no, it's not true. So there was a bit of I don't know where all this was, but it was in my packet someplace.

00:29:10.080 The Telegraph reported no. He knew about the book, but he didn't know about the specific claims, and I think that's what the Daily Mail reported, too. So there's a bit of a split in the reporting about whether Harry knew. I believe he knew. He was just over there. They were all over the Earl's estate taking pictures near Diana's grave, as you and I have discussed. There's no way he didn't tell them, don't worry. I got this.

00:29:36.740 There's also no way they're there.

00:29:38.880 I mean, you know this, you've written a memoir, Doug writes books.

00:29:42.620 They were there two months before the book's publication date, which I believe is the 22nd of September.

00:29:49.220 You have bound galleys, if not fully finished physical copies of the book.

00:29:55.020 You don't think there were copies of that book laying around all four?

00:29:58.780 You don't think that Harry got like a sneak peek because they're allying themselves.

00:30:04.100 Harry, I want you to be okay with this.

00:30:05.340 I don't want you to be shocked by anything.

00:30:07.660 We need to stay on each other's good side, right?

00:30:10.180 Well, especially because there's no way he's on the good side of Prince William.

00:30:12.760 Absolutely not.

00:30:14.180 Absolutely not.

00:30:14.920 And William will never have anything to do with him after this.

00:30:18.120 He seems kind of like a hot mess in his own regard.

00:30:21.400 Carlos, he's had three marriages.

00:30:25.280 I think he's on his fourth.

00:30:26.140 I was just going to say, I think he might be on number four.

00:30:28.200 So he's had three divorces.

00:30:30.580 My team did pull some information on the divorces, which I did.

00:30:33.900 I'm not going to lie.

00:30:34.440 I found it kind of interesting.

00:30:36.000 Hold on a second.

00:30:36.560 Let me see if I can find it.

00:30:37.860 Yeah, here we go.

00:30:39.620 He's fathered seven children across three marriages and now is on number four.

00:30:44.780 The first one was to Victoria Lockwood, 89 to 97, via Time magazine.

00:30:48.500 Their divorce became extremely contentious.

00:30:50.920 Lockwood, the ex, characterized him as a serial adulterer and alleged that his first affair

00:30:56.000 began less than six months after their wedding.

00:30:57.800 Charming.

00:30:58.520 Lockwood's lawyers alleged that Spencer, wait until you hear this, had as many as 12 affairs

00:31:03.000 during the marriage.

00:31:03.700 Spencer denied that allegation and and he disputed that there had been anything approaching 12 with his legal side arguing that her lawyers could identify only a few.

00:31:15.960 Oh, OK. Oh, that changes everything. OK, 100 percent.

00:31:21.080 Then there was Caroline Freud from 2001 to 2007 via the London Times standard.

00:31:28.600 This divorce is described as being granted on the basis of Spencer's, quote, unreasonable behavior.

00:31:34.380 OK, patterns repeat themselves.

00:31:35.880 That's all I'll say.

00:31:36.940 Then there was Karen Gordon, 2011 to 2025 via the UK Times and the Daily Mail.

00:31:42.500 Gordon claims her now ex-husband had an affair and also ended their marriage by text message.

00:31:47.380 The Earl denied both those claims.

00:31:49.300 Here's what he said.

00:31:49.940 This was an absurd attempt to blacken my name. 0.75

00:31:52.960 Karen ended the marriage after endless threats to do so over the years.

00:31:56.000 In early March, she asked me to confirm the end of the marriage in a text,

00:31:59.360 and my reply was a simple acceptance of her decision.

00:32:02.720 Okay, so that's that.

00:32:04.440 But then, here's another thing.

00:32:06.460 There was a documentary made.

00:32:07.640 It's called The Immediate Aftermath of Diana's Death,

00:32:10.020 Seven Days That Shook the World, Shook the World by the Real Royal.

00:32:13.960 And what they allege is that Tony Blair aides and palace officials

00:32:17.980 have confirmed to them that Carlos,

00:32:20.640 AKA Earl Charles Spencer,

00:32:22.800 wanted to walk behind Diana's coffin alone.

00:32:28.260 Ooh.

00:32:29.100 Alone.

00:32:29.760 And that he and Diana were not speaking

00:32:32.040 at the time of her death.

00:32:34.160 She wanted to live in a cottage at Althorpe,

00:32:37.120 but he refused.

00:32:38.740 He didn't want the press there.

00:32:40.280 So they had had a falling out.

00:32:41.700 And yet, so he claims in his book

00:32:43.620 that he was outraged, Maureen, outraged,

00:32:46.180 that they were going to have the young princes

00:32:47.400 walked behind Diana's coffin.

00:32:50.040 And what this documentary reports

00:32:52.260 is that what he was really upset about

00:32:54.580 was he wanted to be the one

00:32:56.420 walking there by himself.

00:32:58.960 All of this tracks.

00:33:00.520 It's amazing.

00:33:01.360 By the way, the allegation

00:33:02.840 about Carlos ending the third marriage

00:33:05.780 via text message.

00:33:06.800 I was just reading a profile

00:33:08.480 of Jerry Hall in The Guardian

00:33:10.760 or The Telegraph this weekend.

00:33:11.880 And she said,

00:33:12.880 this is how Rupert Murdoch,

00:33:14.460 her report ended the marriage.

00:33:16.460 it was a text message she was not expecting megan the text message said

00:33:21.980 we've had some good times but i have to move on now

00:33:26.140 i died i was like that totally try it doesn't make me a bad person if i say it's kind of a

00:33:36.640 power move yeah she clearly married him for his money like and he married her for her beauty

00:33:43.800 yeah yeah of course transactional like why should i feel bad for her that wasn't a love

00:33:47.880 relationship by the way i have had dinner with the two of them it was not a love relationship

00:33:51.580 fair enough i do think there's a there's a better like just in out of self-interest you

00:33:57.140 wanted to maybe go smoothly maybe not have her call mick jagger and like get the house swept

00:34:02.200 for bugs you don't care planted that's the beauty of being a rupert murdoch or like a titan a true

00:34:07.500 titan of of industry across cross continental right like you're basically like everyone can 1.00

00:34:12.360 fuck off. I'm me. I don't, I'm not saying it's always great. I'm just saying like, imagine being 1.00

00:34:16.500 that person where you're just kind of like, bye now I'm done. But it's, it's, it's, it's exactly

00:34:21.300 why I believe the reports in the divorce where he said, you cannot talk to the writers of succession

00:34:25.760 because this is something the Brian Cox character would do. Oh yeah. You know? And that the average

00:34:30.260 person watching at home would be like, really? Would somebody really be that heartless? Like,

00:34:35.280 yes, they would. They could. Did I tell you that I used to live next door to Brian Cox?

00:34:39.720 No.

00:34:40.380 Yes.

00:34:41.080 It's actually very funny.

00:34:42.580 When Doug and I, when I first moved to New York the second time as a journalist, I moved,

00:34:47.400 I lived here for a few years when I was a lawyer.

00:34:49.540 And then Roger made me an anchor.

00:34:52.400 I'd been working in the DC Bureau.

00:34:54.060 He moved me up to New York to launch America's Newsroom with Bill Hemmer.

00:34:58.460 Oh, wow.

00:34:58.860 So that was 2007, January of 07.

00:35:01.880 And I rented a little, like the second floor of one of those Chelsea Brownstones.

00:35:07.660 Oh, nice.

00:35:08.340 It was so cute. And on the second floor next to me in the brownstone right next to me was Brian Cox, who had starred in Braveheart. You know, he'd been in some movies, but it was pre-succession. You know, his career has been so revived and he's so talented.

00:35:26.100 But he and his wife were my neighbor.

00:35:28.540 And then Doug, when we got married, moved in.

00:35:31.240 And the four of us saw each other quite a bit.

00:35:33.640 We spent Halloweens out in front of our little brownstones

00:35:36.080 because that neighborhood was so popular for Halloween.

00:35:39.400 It's insane.

00:35:40.140 The kids are like 20 deep.

00:35:42.000 You just start like throwing it at them.

00:35:44.580 And we would have cheese and crackers and wine

00:35:46.640 out in front of our Chelsea brownstones every Halloween.

00:35:48.760 Oh, that's so lovely.

00:35:49.520 I know.

00:35:49.960 He was actually such a sweet guy.

00:35:52.280 He had a temper, I'm not going to lie,

00:35:53.900 but he was always lovely to us.

00:35:56.100 Oh, that's what an interesting little factoid.

00:35:58.800 Yeah.

00:35:59.160 I love that.

00:36:00.280 So yeah, so then, so actually,

00:36:02.000 so we were talking about, okay,

00:36:03.120 Carlos, the divorces, number four,

00:36:05.540 oh, the documentary and Carlos wanting to walk alone.

00:36:10.360 That completely tracks.

00:36:12.540 And you know, this whole thing is just,

00:36:14.640 I truly believe they were not on good terms

00:36:17.140 when Diana died because she would have had to know

00:36:20.920 that her brother would have been capable

00:36:23.260 of something like this.

00:36:24.800 You know, look at the heartless way 1.00

00:36:26.200 he treated every single wife.

00:36:27.540 Apparently, most of his children,

00:36:29.920 the daughters at least, don't speak to him.

00:36:32.080 And like to tell her she can't live 0.99

00:36:34.160 in that little cottage on the family estate,

00:36:37.760 like because the press might come.

00:36:39.380 First of all, it doesn't seem like the press

00:36:41.020 can have access to Altharp without his permission.

00:36:44.800 And second of all,

00:36:45.960 that's exactly why she needed to be there, right?

00:36:48.280 Like to get away from that

00:36:49.820 when she wanted to be away from that.

00:36:51.500 A loving brother would have said,

00:36:52.780 sure, of course, let me help you out. I'll protect you. But that does invite a closer look

00:36:59.120 at what he is saying in this book about the funeral and the boys walking, because it is

00:37:04.000 interesting. I mean, he is unsparing in this. Again, this isn't officially out. It's just

00:37:11.580 the Daily Mail has gotten an exclusive excerpt. Okay. And this is in part what he writes.

00:37:19.020 I was chosen to be the point of contact for my family when it came to Diana's funeral arrangements.

00:37:24.520 Once it was correctly decided, after my family appreciated the public need for it, that Diana's

00:37:31.840 service should be a full-blown national ceremony, Buckingham Palace and Prince Charles' offices felt

00:37:37.620 entitled to take the lead. These little buzzwords. Diana remained theirs in Buckingham Palace's eyes,

00:37:44.400 even in death. Her family, despite her divorce, were simply expected to fall in line with any

00:37:50.540 royal decisions. It is at moments like this that even the most ardent monarchist finds that

00:37:56.420 questions about arrogance and entitlement arise. Love the passive voice, right? Now we've gotten

00:38:03.080 entitled, arrogant, and entitled again. My sisters knew that Diana had always wanted Mozart's

00:38:09.440 Requiem to be played for her after death. When I passed it on, it was rejected. They said that

00:38:13.920 this could not be played at a Church of England funeral. I later found out that was not the case,

00:38:17.940 the first of several untruths that the authorities would push my way. There was no thought of anyone

00:38:22.620 in the royal family talking to me directly, as was usual. Such a delicate and personal interaction

00:38:28.140 was farmed out to a courtier. Then he talks about how this Colonel Ross guy was his, you know,

00:38:35.220 handler. He seemed about to hang up on one of our phone calls when he added, oh, another thing,

00:38:40.440 it's been decided that the two young princes will walk behind the princess's coffin.

00:38:43.920 well that's not going to happen i can't do a british accent i can kind of do indian i almost

00:38:50.680 did asian the other day when we talked we talked about the orchid asian spa and bill belichick but

00:38:56.760 i chose not to i'm not i'm sorry not bill belichick robert crap forgive me bill um anywho

00:39:04.200 yeah it's better not to okay so uh that's he says well that's not going to happen uh it was a

00:39:10.400 suggestion that struck me as utterly barbaric and quite out of the question. By this stage,

00:39:14.720 I had learned that Diana had left me as her son's guardian. This was a role without legal function

00:39:19.020 while the other parent lived. I knew she would never have wanted her boy to undertake such a

00:39:22.980 public ordeal. Well, the Prince of Wales says it is, Ross repeated. No, I said, I'm afraid it's not

00:39:28.920 happening. Diana would never have wanted to put them through anything so ghastly. Then Charles

00:39:34.120 allegedly called him. I gather you've got a problem with the funeral arrangements, he said testily.

00:39:37.620 No, I don't think so, I said, my mind on the structure of the service.

00:39:41.740 But I gather you've said you don't want William and Harry to walk behind Diana's coffin.

00:39:45.540 Well, of course not, sir.

00:39:46.660 Diana would never have wanted that.

00:39:48.500 But I did it at Lord Mountbatten's funeral.

00:39:50.840 But you were 30, sir, and he wasn't your mother.

00:39:53.260 He went nuts, writes Carlos. 0.60

00:39:55.180 That's the problem with your family. 0.97

00:39:56.400 They've got no bloody sense of duty before descending into a general rage.

00:40:01.720 And that's when he allegedly dropped the line.

00:40:03.720 We'll forget her soon enough.

00:40:07.620 Okay. I believe there probably was a dispute over William and Harry walking behind that casket because this became actually a public reaction where many people were like, what in the actual F? Like who would do that to these boys? And am I wrong? Didn't Harry complain about it in spare? I think he wrote about it in an unfavorable way. Like he didn't want to do it.

00:40:29.240 And Earl, Carlos, claims he was later told that the reason he allowed it, he, Carlos, allowed it to happen was that he was then later told the boys want to do it.

00:40:41.020 It's interesting.

00:40:42.100 Harry has said he's spoken about, I think, multiple times that that is among the defining traumas, not just Diana's death, but being made to walk behind the coffin.

00:40:51.460 Notice William's never spoken about that.

00:40:53.340 um apparently also prince philip was very very concerned about the boys and had said

00:41:01.100 if if you want to do it i will walk with you your grandpa um i find it remarkable

00:41:09.420 that charles as you were just discussing carlos rather rejected coldly diana's request

00:41:17.540 to live at Althorpe that summer

00:41:20.220 and keep a low profile

00:41:22.400 given his extremely self-serving bombastic eulogy

00:41:27.200 at her service,

00:41:28.920 which the royal family allowed him to do.

00:41:31.320 They clearly did not screen his eulogy

00:41:33.220 in which he called her Diana

00:41:35.840 compared to the most hunted Greek goddess

00:41:38.480 after which she was named.

00:41:40.300 Okay, so the hunted, the preyed upon,

00:41:43.080 well, who could have helped her out in that scenario

00:41:45.300 when she was feeling so hunted?

00:41:46.680 maybe you. And then he went on to say that no matter what the royals intended for William and

00:41:51.740 Harry, he alone was going to make sure they were raised in the way Diana intended. And then outside

00:41:57.980 that funeral, remember the thousands of Britons who leapt to their feet and cheered at Charles's

00:42:03.060 eulogy, Carlos's. You know, what a smack in the face to the royals. And what it was really doing

00:42:09.100 was the most vulnerable people were the children,

00:42:14.120 William and Harry.

00:42:15.400 And already you're using the funeral of their mother,

00:42:19.620 the globally broadcast funeral to engage in a proxy war

00:42:22.960 over who has domain over them.

00:42:25.360 To bash their father and their grandmother

00:42:27.680 who clearly are going to raise them, not you, Carlos.

00:42:31.080 So why do this to them

00:42:32.560 other than to make yourself look like an Avenger,

00:42:35.560 which he wasn't actually, he wasn't.

00:42:37.540 That's not what happened.

00:42:38.420 he did not raise those boys. In fact, by most accounts, King Charles, then Prince Charles,

00:42:43.680 was actually quite a loving father, maybe not as present as, you know, a normal dad would be.

00:42:48.520 But even when you hear him talk about his sons, it's always so sweet. Like the way some of the

00:42:53.600 conversations were counted in spare, to me, paint the picture of a father who is loving,

00:42:59.220 constantly calling him, you know, very darling. Like he's affectionate toward him as far as like

00:43:04.840 royals go and i actually was favorably impressed with some of the stories about charles as a dad

00:43:10.120 especially after diana was gone here is some of that eulogy that was so so famous and so well

00:43:16.120 watched at the time it is a point to remember that of all the ironies about diana perhaps the

00:43:21.840 greatest was this a girl given the name of the ancient goddess of hunting was in the end the

00:43:29.080 most hunted person of the modern age. She would want us today to pledge

00:43:35.140 ourselves to protecting her beloved boys William and Harry from a similar fate

00:43:39.840 and I do this here Diana on your behalf. We will not allow them to suffer the

00:43:45.840 anguish that used regularly to drive you to tearful despair and beyond that on

00:43:52.060 behalf of your mother and sisters I pledge that we your blood family will do

00:43:57.460 all we can to continue the imaginative and loving way in which you are steering these two exceptional

00:44:03.060 young men so that their souls are not simply immersed by duty and tradition but can sing

00:44:09.500 openly as you planned. We fully respect the heritage into which they have both been born

00:44:15.200 and will always respect and encourage them in their royal role but we like you recognize the

00:44:22.480 need for them to experience as many different aspects of life as possible, to arm them spiritually

00:44:28.600 and emotionally for the years ahead. I know you would have expected nothing less from us.

00:44:36.760 Your blood family. I mean, that's back to the Tom Bowers comment of he didn't just mean that

00:44:45.600 in terms of we, Diana, like the people who,

00:44:48.940 your family of origin,

00:44:50.340 those Spencers think they're above 1.00

00:44:53.260 the Mountbatten-Windsors,

00:44:55.720 a belief he's reportedly held to this day.

00:44:59.120 And he thinks even though they're, you know,

00:45:01.900 they are literally the royal family

00:45:03.360 that he's got something over it.

00:45:05.240 He knows better.

00:45:06.180 There's an arrogance about this guy

00:45:08.280 that I'm sure King Charles finds totally

00:45:10.980 and completely insufferable.

00:45:13.700 Oh, completely.

00:45:14.460 I mean, again, that was that was grandstanding. That was that that that speech was not in service of his sister. It was in service of himself. It was not in service of his nephews. It was in service of himself. If he truly had been appointed their guardian by Diana, which I find difficult to believe.

00:45:31.620 me too, yeah. His first priority, you would think, would be just the care and consolation of those

00:45:37.860 children, and you would want it to be as private as possible. And if you did harbor that amount

00:45:41.660 of anger and resentment, you would probably think it wise not to speak at that funeral.

00:45:46.640 Because your role as caregiver, it sounds like what she was saying was, if both my husband and

00:45:51.040 I die, I would like him to take custody of the boys. But that didn't happen. Only Diana died,

00:45:56.840 and therefore that bequeath of power

00:45:59.760 is null and void and absolutely meaningless.

00:46:02.520 And now the only meaningful role

00:46:04.080 you will play in those boys' lives

00:46:05.580 will be if King Charles allows it.

00:46:08.300 Right.

00:46:09.040 Then Prince, like he's their dad.

00:46:11.100 Sorry, that trumps uncle every day of the week.

00:46:14.140 And so why would you get up there

00:46:16.280 and intentionally antagonize the father

00:46:18.680 if you actually did intend

00:46:20.700 to play a meaningful role in the boy's life?

00:46:23.580 It doesn't make sense, right?

00:46:25.600 No, I don't think this is a good guy.

00:46:27.220 I really don't.

00:46:27.780 I think, so why is he doing this?

00:46:30.340 All right, so it could be a play for money.

00:46:33.120 I mean, I've got some sources telling me

00:46:35.540 that he is short on cash and may need the dough.

00:46:39.060 Or it could be that plus some attempt

00:46:43.340 to ingratiate himself with Harry and Meghan,

00:46:47.240 like doing them a solid.

00:46:49.120 You know, he does still see himself as an Avenger.

00:46:51.140 He clearly can't stand Charles.

00:46:52.560 And so this book timed at this moment, just as Harry comes back.

00:46:57.340 I don't know, Maureen.

00:46:58.480 Here's Tom Bowers.

00:46:59.460 He was actually giving an interview on this this week on GB News, Sot 4.

00:47:05.260 He's not only selling a book, but he's also undoubtedly formed an alliance with Harry and with the Duchess to somehow damage the king.

00:47:14.700 I mean, when I wrote my book about Charles, the rebel king and rebel prince, I had impeccable sources in Balmoral and all sorts of things.

00:47:21.240 And I called some of them today, and all of them united in saying that Charles was in real grief. 0.96

00:47:28.100 The idea that he would even say, rest assured, that bit, but the idea was giddily elated, is complete rubbish. 0.51

00:47:35.240 The man was absolutely smitten. He was horrified. I mean, he was frozen. 0.98

00:47:39.120 I think it's in money troubles, personal troubles. He's been in therapy. He's not feeling very well.

00:47:45.320 And you've got to remember, it's the same publisher as did Harry's book.

00:47:47.680 And they want juice for all the money they've given him.

00:47:51.060 They want headlines, which they've got.

00:47:52.960 But I think it's more serious than that.

00:47:54.460 I said here, I think two weeks ago when I was here,

00:47:57.080 that the return of Harry and Meghan is heading towards a crisis.

00:48:01.120 They haven't declared why they're here.

00:48:02.960 They haven't declared how long they're going to stay.

00:48:06.320 Their object is not only to ingratiate themselves in the royal family,

00:48:10.000 but cause trouble.

00:48:11.200 And there's no doubt that Harry knew that Spencer was going to bring out this book.

00:48:16.260 He's very good, this Tom Bowers, and I tend to believe him.

00:48:25.240 The actual palace response, it's kind of interesting.

00:48:31.180 Charles tried to pull the recollections may vary that the Queen put out after Meghan and Harry tried to tell Oprah that everybody's a racist in the family.

00:48:40.380 they put out in a highly unusual move, um, a written statement as follows.

00:48:47.640 While we do not comment on books as a matter of principle, his majesty is mindful that the pain

00:48:51.980 of fraternal grief can cloud reason, affect judgment and color memory in ways others do

00:48:58.500 not recognize even many years after such a loss. I would have said maybe tighten it up a little.

00:49:04.960 I would have said make a declarative, uh, definitive. No, didn't happen. If you're

00:49:10.360 if you're going to respond i do think that both things can be true right in the immediate the

00:49:17.400 grief the rage a death like that that is that sudden and violent and premature you know you

00:49:24.460 can experience a lot of rage at the unfairness of it if not for yourself at least for your children 0.99

00:49:28.720 right and you've got this asshole calling you every five minutes going i'm i'm running the show 0.99

00:49:34.320 yeah you know and you're not i'll be walking behind the cast i'm the future king carlos to 0.99

00:49:38.340 me, Carlos. Settle down. I love it that her nickname for Charles Spencer was kind of like

00:49:45.060 a mid-level drug dealer, like Carlos, you know? It seems to track. It seems to track.

00:49:52.020 So I believe that can be true and that Charles would have been like, you know what? This problem's

00:49:57.400 done with for now. I've got a bunch of other problems on my plate. But it's also not to be

00:50:02.540 forgotten that Charles went to the morgue in France and identified Diana's body. And Charles

00:50:09.720 brought her home. I believe this was in contravention of the Queen's wishes, because

00:50:14.400 Diana was no longer HRH. And he said, I'm going to escort her body back home. And he looked

00:50:21.020 shattered. There is still news footage that exists. He looked shattered. So both things can be true,

00:50:27.460 sure his, you know, watching his sons in that much pain would have, I mean, you'd have to be

00:50:32.960 inhuman not to respond to that. And Princess Diana was given the full royal funeral and she had the

00:50:38.440 standard bearing colors and flag on her casket. And so the royal family did ultimately do right

00:50:45.980 by her. But this, this is, you know, right around the time when people are, there was backlash

00:50:50.580 against the queen because she had stripped her of the HREH after the divorce. He reports in this

00:50:55.780 book that the queen offered him, Carlos, right after Diana died saying, we'll give it back.

00:51:02.840 Like, do you, do you think she'd want it? Like we'll posthumously. Oh, wow. We'll allow her to

00:51:07.780 have her HRH back. And that he was like, absolutely not. You know, I knew at a visceral level, she

00:51:12.340 would never want this. So he said no. Um, and then there's a couple of other claims that I do

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00:53:42.540 We are back with Maureen Callahan.

00:53:48.240 She has hosted the hit show, The Nerve, with Maureen Callahan.

00:53:51.820 Go and find it on YouTube and all podcast platforms, and you really should do that.

00:53:56.120 I know I just say that like rote, but you genuinely should follow.

00:53:59.760 As we go into the weekend, this is the perfect time to hit, follow, and consume.

00:54:04.020 Last night's The Nerve, which was amazing.

00:54:06.560 And tonight, we here on the MK Channel have a special for you.

00:54:10.480 This is actually the conclusion of our MK Confidential series on Casey Anthony.

00:54:16.420 And for now, it's the conclusion of the series.

00:54:19.260 It was an eight-week series.

00:54:20.740 We've done eight different cases.

00:54:22.460 It's been a ton of work for the MK production team, and I'm very grateful to them for a wonderful job.

00:54:29.040 We are going to be continuing MK Confidential in a different form after this wonderful team gets a little bit of a rest.

00:54:36.040 Further updates to follow on that.

00:54:37.560 but don't miss tonight's season finale. Last night, we dove into her defense's case

00:54:44.640 and the focus on the family dynamics. I mean, that Anthony family definitely had some serious

00:54:51.800 issues and her defense lawyer made them even larger and you could argue faker than reality

00:54:59.280 would justify. And we began with the explosive opening statement from attorney Jose Baez.

00:55:06.720 here's some of that jose baez starts with george this family must keep its secrets quiet

00:55:14.880 and it all began when casey was eight years old and her father came into her room

00:55:22.980 and began to touch her inappropriately and it escalated and it escalated

00:55:29.800 what does a sex abuse survivor look like they wear a scarlet letter they have a tattoo on their

00:55:39.600 forehead we could all be sitting next to a person who's a sex abuse survivor never even know it

00:55:46.520 these things are kept quiet

00:55:48.960 and this and these ugly secrets slowly will come out through this trial

00:55:55.020 no such thing will come into evidence in this case but the character assassination of george

00:56:02.600 anthony has begun it's so juicy the whole case is so juicy there is like just so much to dissect

00:56:09.900 from a legal standpoint and of course we all know how it ended um but we've got a lot of

00:56:16.180 new information around why the jury actually found as it did new to me i should say it's

00:56:22.500 been out there, but I hadn't taken a hard look at this case in a long time. So we reveal the

00:56:27.180 verdict in tonight's episode and the fallout from it. Find it on the Megyn Kelly YouTube channel

00:56:32.100 and on all podcast feeds. It's right on our same podcast feed as you get this show.

00:56:38.140 That Casey Anthony thing is just such a, she's out there living her life right now. She's free,

00:56:42.440 free as a bird. It's wild. I mean, it was hard to not think of her as the Lindsay Clancy jury

00:56:48.600 was deliberating.

00:56:49.620 Yes.

00:56:50.080 You know?

00:56:50.640 At least her jurors 0.99

00:56:51.960 didn't have the level 0.99

00:56:52.900 of sanctimony

00:56:53.900 that these jurors have.

00:56:55.740 Like,

00:56:56.260 their little

00:56:56.980 I am woman,

00:56:58.020 hear me roar routine

00:56:59.040 in Lindsay Clancy,

00:57:00.080 it's a lot.

00:57:01.560 You know?

00:57:02.120 Let's spend some time

00:57:02.900 on that before we go back

00:57:03.620 to Earl,

00:57:04.040 because I do have

00:57:04.460 a couple more things

00:57:05.120 on Carlos.

00:57:05.540 But here is,

00:57:07.900 on the Lindsay Clancy front,

00:57:10.540 we actually do have

00:57:11.240 a little bit of news,

00:57:12.240 which is Patrick Clancy,

00:57:14.580 the husband,

00:57:15.340 now ex,

00:57:16.100 of Lindsay Clancy

00:57:16.900 is going to be

00:57:17.320 on 60 Minutes

00:57:18.020 this Sunday night.

00:57:20.960 And he's going on with his wife, his new wife,

00:57:24.560 which actually will be kind of fascinating.

00:57:26.120 I'm kind of interested to hear what she sounds like.

00:57:29.300 Probably won't watch it.

00:57:30.140 I'm not going to lie.

00:57:30.740 I'm probably just going to get the highlights from my team.

00:57:33.120 But honestly, 60 Minutes, I can't stand them.

00:57:35.480 But here's in a preview clip.

00:57:39.200 They put this out to promote it.

00:57:40.940 He talks about how he still talks, in quotes, to his children, SOT 8.

00:57:46.820 In this exclusive interview, we see a different side of Patrick Clancy.

00:57:50.860 For much of his testimony, he appeared stoic,

00:57:53.320 but now we're hearing an emotional and raw account of what this all has been like for him.

00:57:59.520 In his first television interview since the deaths of his three children,

00:58:04.360 Patrick Clancy tells 60 Minutes he still leans on them for support.

00:58:09.260 I talk to them.

00:58:10.180 What do you say?

00:58:12.740 Help me.

00:58:16.040 all the time. The trial captivated the nation, but also put Patrick Clancy at the center of

00:58:22.320 online conspiracy theories, accusing him of being involved in the killings. And in this

00:58:28.560 exclusive interview, 60 Minutes asked him about those online conspiracy theories.

00:58:33.100 He called them deeply harmful to the legacy of his children and a distraction to perinatal mental

00:58:38.940 hell. Oh boy. I mean, it's ridiculous that he killed those kids. She's admitting she killed

00:58:45.760 the kids. No one's disputing. She killed the kids other than like a certain online contingent,

00:58:49.380 like Lisa Renna, who decided to post about this on Insta. Um, but there is some blame for Patrick

00:58:57.720 Clancy. I mean, there's some, but just a, I have, I have tons of compassion for the man, but

00:59:02.380 when your spouse says, I'm thinking about hurting the children, there should be no moments

00:59:08.500 alone between that spouse and the children until medical professionals have given her,

00:59:14.060 or if it's a him, the all clear and say, tell you that there's absolutely nothing to worry about.

00:59:19.440 Like, I'm sure that's something he's going to have to live with for the rest of his life.

00:59:23.640 Well, you know, I read the New Yorker did a profile of him, I think in 2024.

00:59:29.500 And in it, he said that at one point he did ask Lindsay, is that why you sent me out of the house? 0.97

00:59:36.820 so you would have time to kill them. 0.80

00:59:39.960 That deliberate ask, he was working that day in the basement, 1.00

00:59:43.860 in his home office, it was in the basement.

00:59:46.660 And part of the reason I've never been able to believe,

00:59:49.960 I actually, I came to this case late.

00:59:51.600 I didn't even really want to know.

00:59:53.080 I know, it's so dark.

00:59:54.800 It's so dark.

00:59:55.740 When it involves small children like that,

00:59:57.620 I'd rather not know, but my job being what it is,

01:00:01.760 we have to know.

01:00:02.640 um and i think if you are truly thinking that you are on the verge of harming your children

01:00:10.120 and your husband is working from home perhaps because he's worried you might harm the children

01:00:15.060 and it's time for dinner you order grubhub you order a pizza you don't send your husband out

01:00:21.300 on a multi-pronged run of errands all of those all of that said my question is and i don't mean

01:00:28.240 this in a way that is without compassion. I can't quite figure out what Patrick Clancy is doing here.

01:00:36.940 Why is he going on a media tour?

01:00:38.540 Why is he going on 60 Minutes? Why is his wife joining him? Is a book deal next? Are we going

01:00:45.220 to sign with Netflix for a sit down? We live in this sort of very ghoulish culture where,

01:00:51.200 I mean, you look at someone like Amanda Knox, who has made a career off of being an accused

01:00:56.720 murderous she doesn't seem to like she's doing she's out doing a stand-up routine which is

01:01:02.320 basically like hey do you think i did it oh it's really weird when everybody thinks you like

01:01:07.000 murdered your roommate in cold blood and the family of meredith kircher has begged and pleaded

01:01:11.780 with her to stop she performed at the fringe festival at edinburgh very recently and there

01:01:16.300 was a petition to have her removed and she went ahead and did it she does all manner of podcasts

01:01:22.900 She's done this podcast.

01:01:24.640 Has she?

01:01:25.160 Yeah.

01:01:25.460 Oh, wait, I did hear that.

01:01:26.940 I did hear that.

01:01:28.100 Yes.

01:01:28.540 I don't know.

01:01:29.220 I feel bad for Amanda Knox because I don't think she killed Meredith Kircher.

01:01:31.920 And she almost had her whole life ruined by that prosecutor, Magnini, in Florence, who

01:01:37.940 there's a whole backstory about him in connection with this serial killer called The Monster

01:01:41.760 of Florence, where he did not behave well.

01:01:44.440 um but i i think she's trying to just like deal with the ongoing trauma of having been accused

01:01:51.820 of this crime found guilty of this crime right that wasn't there was a verdict i'm just trying

01:01:55.840 to remember spent a while against her that then got reversed and she spent you know two years in

01:02:01.480 prison in an italian prison uh but whatever amanda i know you have a different pov on it

01:02:06.560 but i see your point like why is he doing this because who's he trying to convince the conspiracy

01:02:11.000 theorists whatever you call them lisa renna she's not gonna be convinced those conspiracy theorists

01:02:15.760 will never be convinced never so like what do you is this an image rehab for you is it for people

01:02:20.200 like you and me who are like why why did you leave her alone with the kids why why when she said

01:02:25.200 i'm thinking about harming the children did she ever have another minute alone with them like i

01:02:30.500 truly have that question i hope ross do thought whatever how you pronounce that last is that who's

01:02:35.520 Are you conducting that interview?

01:02:36.580 Yeah.

01:02:37.600 Doubt it.

01:02:39.160 Yeah.

01:02:39.500 Why would they give it to someone with very minimal broadcast TV experience?

01:02:43.860 Because Barry is, she wants to make him a star.

01:02:46.340 She's going to be the one who revamped 60 Minutes.

01:02:49.080 And the same way she thinks she's great on the air, I guess she wants us to believe Ross is too.

01:02:53.920 We'll see about that.

01:02:55.780 I don't know.

01:02:56.320 Here's another one because he sat down with a wife too.

01:02:58.320 And I am kind of curious about, I don't know.

01:03:01.200 Can you just imagine the conversations those two have had about, you know, everything that happened with the first wife?

01:03:07.080 I can't.

01:03:07.460 Her name is Rachel Dannis.

01:03:10.020 She's a doctor.

01:03:10.820 Is she a medical doctor or is she a Jill Biden doctor?

01:03:14.260 She's a real one.

01:03:14.920 Oh, she's an actual doctor. 0.99

01:03:15.920 Oh, she's a fertility doctor.

01:03:17.740 Okay, here they are.

01:03:19.280 I don't understand how the story has been so twisted.

01:03:22.380 Um, but I would hope people know that Pat is, as I said before, the most selfless father and supportive partner.

01:03:37.900 Um, and I was just a girl that met a guy running in Central Park on a really cold Saturday.

01:03:45.160 Oh, Lord.

01:03:46.300 And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

01:03:49.180 okay first of all she looks a little like ruth bader ginsburg i was thinking the same thing 0.96

01:03:55.520 the white like collar against the black and her face looks like a young rbg

01:04:01.600 and a little like lindsey clancy no makeup hair pulled back very um very very bare and austere 0.58

01:04:10.720 in our self-presentation i looked at that and i was like that woman hired stylist that woman

01:04:16.240 has a publicist or a crisis manager who worked with them as to how they were going to come across

01:04:22.880 on their first joint national broadcast interview. Secondly, I realize how cynical this will sound,

01:04:30.980 Megan, but we are in a cynical age. And we're us. And we're us. Fair enough. She said,

01:04:38.700 I'm just a girl who met a boy jogging in Central Park. It was Julia Roberts.

01:04:43.900 Thank you in Notting Hill.

01:04:45.380 I'm just a girl standing in front of a boy asking him to love her.

01:04:50.940 There are dead children involved, but it's kind of a rom-com.

01:04:54.520 We met cute in Central Park.

01:04:56.400 What is going on?

01:04:58.040 Like my brain matter is exploding.

01:05:00.400 Oh, you're right.

01:05:01.160 That was such a weird line.

01:05:02.080 I didn't see the soundbite before we just played it and listened to it together.

01:05:06.400 What was that?

01:05:07.660 That's PR?

01:05:09.220 They needed more advising.

01:05:10.960 Much more advising.

01:05:11.940 I mean, I would just be keeping my mouth shut.

01:05:14.200 I would be moving to the middle of the country.

01:05:16.900 I might be using my maiden name.

01:05:18.780 Like, you're not going to hear from me.

01:05:20.400 You're not going to hear from me.

01:05:21.620 I don't understand why there is a publicity juggernaut.

01:05:26.120 It's not like he's falsely accused and is about to stand trial.

01:05:30.000 It's not like he's fighting for his life.

01:05:31.460 Like, this is pretty much done.

01:05:32.780 And I also, I have to say, like, why in all the promos around this are they referring to her as Dr. Rachel Dennis?

01:05:39.880 I mean, truly, I get that she's an MD.

01:05:42.700 How is that like relevant in the context of this?

01:05:45.440 Like you're sitting down. 1.00

01:05:47.000 The only reason we have any fucking interest in you is because you're married to this guy. 1.00

01:05:50.720 We don't care about your medical credentials. 0.99

01:05:52.700 No one's here is asking for your expertise because this is a legal case and we need you to weigh in on something testified to.

01:05:59.940 Like that too is like, let me tell you, I'm someone you should respect and, you know, look up to.

01:06:06.640 which in this context feels weird.

01:06:09.980 It just feels weird.

01:06:11.060 If I were the new wife,

01:06:11.940 I think I'd just be going by my name

01:06:14.060 without my honorarium.

01:06:16.640 And I wouldn't be doing this interview.

01:06:18.620 I wouldn't either.

01:06:19.380 And also there is, this feels,

01:06:22.760 they are very aware of the image

01:06:25.460 they're trying to project.

01:06:26.580 If you look at her in her black and white, 0.98

01:06:28.900 okay, she's wearing black and white.

01:06:30.440 So we're saying-

01:06:31.100 Like a priest collar.

01:06:32.120 A priest collar, a judicial collar, right?

01:06:34.820 Like I, I understand right from wrong.

01:06:37.080 There's a binary here and I'm adjudicating this. 0.51

01:06:39.260 Okay. 0.66

01:06:39.640 I'm, I'm, and she's sitting up.

01:06:41.400 She's very, she's sitting up straight. 0.97

01:06:43.280 He's next to her looking like a schlub.

01:06:45.640 He's wearing a blue Oxford shirt.

01:06:48.080 That's a little too big for him.

01:06:49.640 He's sitting slouched like this while she's talking.

01:06:52.080 Like they are, they're trying to tell us something and it's, it's not natural is what I'm saying.

01:06:58.880 He needs one more button.

01:07:00.020 He needs one more button.

01:07:01.380 I guarantee you there's a publicist off cam who would have said, had this been the intended

01:07:08.260 visual, sit up straight, Patrick, project some confidence, project some belief in yourself.

01:07:13.000 And button that button.

01:07:13.240 Julie, why are you showing us chest as the grieving father of the three children? 0.99

01:07:20.260 What the fuck is that? 0.99

01:07:21.440 Honestly, I don't get it. 1.00

01:07:22.920 Is he wearing?

01:07:23.280 No, there's no jewelry.

01:07:24.540 At least we were spared that.

01:07:26.300 It doesn't seem like there's any hair either, which is, that's good.

01:07:29.220 We didn't need to see that either.

01:07:31.220 It's very strange.

01:07:31.920 Okay, let's get back to just a couple more things

01:07:34.020 on the Carlos.

01:07:36.800 Carlos Danger.

01:07:37.800 I keep wanting to say Carlos Danger,

01:07:39.680 which is Anthony Wiener.

01:07:42.440 But no, he pointed out a couple of things about Diana

01:07:45.860 that are interesting in here

01:07:47.220 that I just wanted to raise.

01:07:49.340 First, he points out that on the day

01:07:51.920 that she was extremely bulimic

01:07:55.120 and on the day of her wedding,

01:07:56.200 she'd been in the throes of her eating disorder

01:07:57.840 for five months,

01:07:58.720 brought on by her engagement photos

01:08:01.260 where he says that at 10 1⁄2 stone,

01:08:04.640 her 5'10 frame looked heavier than she wanted it to.

01:08:08.360 This is her and her engagement photos.

01:08:09.820 Can we put those out on the board? 0.98

01:08:11.900 Look at her.

01:08:12.700 She looks beautiful, right?

01:08:14.440 I mean, of course, that's the nature of bulimia

01:08:15.900 is you don't see what everybody else sees. 0.99

01:08:18.200 But apparently she thought she was too fat here.

01:08:21.040 And he, Carlos, includes in the book, quote,

01:08:25.540 Quote, her insecurity was increased a few days after the engagement announcement when Prince Charles had squeezed her waist and said, quote, oh, a bit chubby here, aren't we?

01:08:38.960 Oh, my God.

01:08:40.540 I do think that detail also resides in Andrew Morton's book, Diana, Her True Story.

01:08:45.460 Really?

01:08:45.720 I think Carlos may have lifted some stuff from previous published materials.

01:08:50.140 Oh, oh, oh.

01:08:50.480 I do.

01:08:51.100 He says she found it devastating.

01:08:53.520 She would later share with me that her waist shrank from a 29 to a 23 and a half between

01:08:58.880 her engagement and her marriage. 0.96

01:09:01.200 Her weight loss had returned with vengeance after she gave birth to William.

01:09:05.320 Diana would later tell me she'd been fine in the days immediately after the birth, but

01:09:09.060 then suddenly began to feel isolated and trapped.

01:09:11.700 She believed that her husband was sometimes too busy for her and on other occasions that

01:09:16.600 he was critical.

01:09:17.820 She told me he had married a 20 year old, but seemed always to wish she was nearer to

01:09:22.300 35 in character and outlook. Well, duh. I mean, he was 32. So I'm sure he did wish that. Then

01:09:27.900 here's the thing. I am convinced, he writes, that Diana had ADHD and that as part of that condition,

01:09:35.140 she suffered from rejection-sensitive dysphoria. And he writes, quote, as do I.

01:09:43.560 okay hold up buckle up this is an intense emotional pain in the face of others rejection

01:09:52.360 or criticism which amplified her wounded response to her her husband's suggestions

01:09:58.600 rejection sensitive dysphoria intense emotional pain in the face of others rejection or criticism 0.93

01:10:07.120 this i think there's a british word for it i believe it's puppy cock that okay this is funny

01:10:12.800 i had the exact same response when i read that rejection whatever dysphoria and then i thought 0.83

01:10:18.580 about first for a second and i was like oh no no no that just that's just part and parcel of being

01:10:22.540 a borderline yeah right but it's like it's got a special name now we've got some ornamentation on

01:10:28.100 it it sounds oh very good but i goes back into your earlier diagnosis yeah that's the earlier

01:10:33.320 diagnosis it's like you you you perceive the slightest rejection and it your your reaction

01:10:39.140 is like a hundred times what it really warrants.

01:10:42.140 She was in the wrong line of work.

01:10:43.920 She was in the wrong, 0.98

01:10:44.900 but it also explains the need for like global adulation, right? 0.99

01:10:48.020 Like she had that deep need.

01:10:49.760 She really, really needed it.

01:10:52.380 In a way that you see like Catherine Princess of Wales

01:10:55.180 seems to not.

01:10:56.740 Doesn't. 1.00

01:10:57.080 She does the job and she's very, very good at it,

01:10:59.500 but you don't sense that her identity lives or dies

01:11:02.500 on being adored by the public.

01:11:04.080 I wonder if Megan has this too,

01:11:07.100 rejection sensitive dysphoria,

01:11:08.640 because anybody who says something negative about her

01:11:10.680 winds up on the receiving end of a lawsuit

01:11:12.600 or getting bashed on Oprah or in her husband's book.

01:11:19.340 You know, I don't know.

01:11:21.220 But that seems like a very common thing

01:11:23.460 to dislike rejection and criticism.

01:11:28.160 Like you don't have to have a disorder

01:11:29.580 in order to feel that way.

01:11:31.240 It usually hurts.

01:11:32.500 No one particularly likes it as far as I know.

01:11:35.980 um okay wait there was one other thing that i wanted to uh mention oh that i got to it that

01:11:43.080 the queen had offered to restore the hrh title okay so that's the end of those two good luck

01:11:49.660 to them and when the book actually hits we'll be following it now you mentioned at the beginning

01:11:53.880 of the segment on them this nonsense with this couple over in the cult swalds who pulled their

01:12:00.200 kids from school two days into the term allegedly because of the security situation could create a

01:12:05.960 by the traffic. They were like sitting ducks, Maureen sitting ducks in their convoy, which

01:12:10.620 now we know was the Sussexes in one car and the security team in another. And they got

01:12:17.440 separated. And of course, Prince Harry is completely feckless. Notwithstanding the fact

01:12:21.820 that he served in the military and felt like he couldn't protect his kids, I guess. God

01:12:25.460 forbid somebody had done something to them. But now there is reporting in the Daily Mail

01:12:29.940 that um daily beast i should say that parents at that school many of them believe this whole thing

01:12:37.280 was a ploy it was a ploy to improve their bid for taxpayer funded security that these two knew

01:12:45.180 very well that it like literally nobody who is in this area doesn't know sorry for that weird

01:12:53.020 sort of double negative um that the traffic is absolutely oppressive here was the quote from one

01:12:59.660 the literally all people talk about is the traffic in oxford parents spend their time

01:13:06.900 dreaming up strategies to beat it one favorite is to get up at 5 45 drive in and go and sit in

01:13:13.240 a coffee shop for an hour and have breakfast and do homework there another one said this was

01:13:18.780 obviously going to happen they didn't know that there was traffic traffic in oxford this is all

01:13:24.400 just a ploy to get security. And on and on it goes. I think that's right. Dan Wooten suggested

01:13:31.560 the same, that this is all part of their plot, like their alleged imaginary security problems

01:13:36.260 to get full-time taxpayer-funded bodyguards, which will make them feel important.

01:13:42.260 Exactly. If I am that worried that my children are top terror threats,

01:13:48.760 and if I am the perfectionist that we have long been told Meghan Markle is, you know, firing off

01:13:53.220 emails at 5 a.m. to palace staff who just can't keep up with the perfectionist duchess.

01:13:58.100 I would be consulting Waze, plan a drive on Waze. How long will it take? What are the traffic

01:14:05.040 patterns? If I'm moving to a remote rural location, which is akin to a place I spend a lot of time in

01:14:14.140 on Long Island where there is one main road in and one main road out, it is a two-lane road.

01:14:20.240 that's it. If you get stuck in traffic, you're stuck. You're done. Everybody knows that's

01:14:24.120 exactly right. Everybody who lives there knows exactly how it is, how you navigate the back

01:14:28.480 roads. If they are that concerned, why have they not invested some of their Netflix money

01:14:34.140 and hiring ex Mossad in purchasing a bulletproof vehicle, you know, doing the practical things that

01:14:40.320 one would do. I'm sure they can consult with the finest minds in global security. It's true.

01:14:45.500 This is all a ploy. This is, oh, you won't give it to me. You won't give it to my wife. How about

01:14:49.420 your grandchildren are in mortal danger. What's wrong with you? Can't you find some compassion

01:14:56.440 in your heart? That's all this is. They're going to use anything they can, and now they're using

01:15:01.160 the children, and they're going to bank on very few voices in the media wanting to accuse people

01:15:08.060 because it's a very low thing to do of using their own children as pawns. But like you just said,

01:15:13.580 we're us, so I'm going to do it. Yes, yes. Well, here's the other thing.

01:15:16.980 you would not be dropping videos with all the clues necessary to show where you live

01:15:22.620 on the internet. I mean, it took people about two minutes to figure out exactly where they were and

01:15:28.300 where they were sending the children to school. If you really didn't want the public to know where

01:15:32.980 your kids went to school, you would make sure that you hadn't done any of that. That the only

01:15:38.860 way it would get out is by a paparazzo stalking you and unethically publishing that. But that's

01:15:45.780 not what happened. She kept dropping these videos where everybody's like, oh, I recognize that.

01:15:49.760 Yeah, I recognize that too. Like everybody knew. She clearly doesn't care. She wants to feel

01:15:56.560 important. That's what this is. And they want the British taxpayers to flood them with the royal

01:16:02.340 escort so that they don't have to follow the traffic laws so that they can show up everywhere

01:16:07.000 with heavily armed bodyguards. You know, that's the same couple in the Netflix special who tried

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01:16:19.880 almost there. That was amazing. Safety first. Seatbelt to a man who lost his mother without

01:16:25.940 a seatbelt on. Oh, God. It's true. So anyway, the problems for the royal family continue to grow.

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01:20:15.540 Hey everyone, it's me, Megan Kelly. I've got some exciting news.

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01:20:45.320 two of our favorites got together maureen and this is a job for you and me

01:20:54.180 oprah went on mel robbins i mean they did it for us they had to have done it like

01:21:00.460 thank you thank you thank you i i don't talk about mel robbins but i love when you do because

01:21:05.380 she's insufferable honestly she's like her fake self-help is a lot a lot to digest and as you 1.00

01:21:11.860 point out, like she has no absolute, absolutely no training. She's got no special qualifications 1.00

01:21:16.680 to give any of this. And it is, she's an empty vessel. Like, let them, let them. There she is.

01:21:22.900 Oh, look at this. This is the picture from her book, right? Oh, and she uses it for her podcast

01:21:26.620 too. Oh my God. The modern day beatific saint in Warby Parker. What is that? God is giving me

01:21:37.560 the answers directly come to me so she she thinks she's the new oprah and she had on the actual oprah

01:21:46.080 and this is so on brand and it's so wonderful listen to oprah this is you should know four

01:21:52.400 minutes into the interview four minutes in stop 14 i believe that i've had

01:21:57.680 just the most blessed life on earth i just we know can't get over how blessed i have been in my life

01:22:12.160 i can't get over it i marvel at what god and the life forces have done for me i marvel at that

01:22:22.340 But when I think about it now, from the point of view of 72, I realize that what I have acquired is not as magnificent or extraordinary as who I have become.

01:22:41.700 And I know that the world looks at what I have acquired, but it's who I have become.

01:22:49.320 And I recognize that the work to become myself is the same work and ability that everybody has to become the most of themselves.

01:23:02.800 And I am most proud of the woman that I have become.

01:23:06.560 i purposely didn't watch any of it because i wanted to watch it for the first time with you

01:23:21.140 it's so wonderful i can't believe it i love i love she's she's rolling out in menswear a lot

01:23:26.320 these days oh lean in lean into it um how about the the fake i've got the verbat here i just

01:23:34.740 can't get over how blessed i have been in my life i can't get over it i marvel it and she's like

01:23:42.840 after she's through a little acting bit her cadence goes right back to normal 100 like the

01:23:48.480 crocodile tears and that you know she can't believe it she should not believe it i mean again

01:23:53.160 i i just i long for the days when somebody like that would sit across from somebody who's slightly

01:23:58.380 adversarial and says, explain your friendship with Harvey Weinstein to me. Hey, explain your

01:24:05.160 friendship with Sean Diddy Combs to me. Explain that. Explain where Stedman's at. Although we

01:24:11.600 did see him over the summer, allegedly, reportedly. Where is Stedman? Here's what Oprah

01:24:17.740 doesn't do. Okay. Like this is how this should have gone. I believe that I've had just the most 0.78

01:24:24.040 blessed life on earth. And I am so grateful to this amazing country and the people in it

01:24:32.180 for bestowing on me these many blessings. I owe it all to my fans who, no matter what they were

01:24:39.480 going through, no matter how busy their days were with their kids and their jobs, took time out of

01:24:45.560 it to spend with me. And that relationship that we build helped change my life. And in my less

01:24:54.320 humble moments, I could argue, change the world because we helped a lot of people on that show.

01:24:59.320 And I'm just so grateful to God and to the American public for helping me have that.

01:25:06.140 That's how it could have gone. Instead, what you really need to know is how great I am.

01:25:13.460 It's about, I know you can see I have a lot, but what's important is me.

01:25:19.880 Right, that part she said.

01:25:21.740 I am.

01:25:22.880 Yes, you out there may marvel at my estates, my private jets, my jewels, my Bentleys, all of it. 0.96

01:25:35.500 But what you really should be marveling at, Megan, I'm fucking awesome. 0.96

01:25:39.520 I'm so incredible. 0.93

01:25:41.400 I'm one of one.

01:25:42.760 There's never been another one like me. 1.00

01:25:45.480 First name, bitches. 1.00

01:25:48.780 All right. 1.00

01:25:49.420 Steve says we've got to watch the next one.

01:25:51.360 There's one more we pulled.

01:25:52.240 Let's watch it.

01:25:53.500 My parting words are, you were born to fulfill the dream of your life here on Earth.

01:26:05.620 You were born into this planet, into the density of this gravitational pull to fulfill the dream of your life and of the creator's dream of your life here on Earth.

01:26:26.640 Get about the business of doing that.

01:26:30.680 You heard her.

01:26:32.520 Get about the business of doing that.

01:26:34.460 That's right.

01:26:35.620 oh my God, such emptiness.

01:26:40.700 Also the arrogance of it,

01:26:42.020 that presupposes that you're lucky enough

01:26:43.760 to be born in a Western democracy.

01:26:45.780 You're born on third.

01:26:47.080 Or even in a Western democracy

01:26:49.840 with nothing but time on your hands

01:26:51.360 to think about your dream and pursue it.

01:26:53.160 Most people are like, they have to pay their bills.

01:26:54.860 They struggle, they get a job,

01:26:56.520 like it's a desk job.

01:26:57.580 They don't tend to love it.

01:26:58.600 They work nine to five.

01:26:59.700 They can't wait for their vacays and to retire.

01:27:01.620 It's not about the dream of my life.

01:27:05.060 It's like an Oprah with like, oh, you're just thinking small.

01:27:08.240 No, they're not necessarily thinking small.

01:27:11.380 They've had a tough hand dealt to them.

01:27:13.660 They're dealing with the best they can.

01:27:15.640 But there are a lot of people out there who have got special needs kids.

01:27:19.120 Yes.

01:27:19.560 Or have had a bankruptcy or lost their parents too young or are taking care of parents and a younger generation and are struggling just to keep their head above the water.

01:27:26.840 They don't need to be listening to Oprah about you were born to fulfill your dream of your life.

01:27:34.200 What is she even saying, Maureen?

01:27:36.160 Or even like a catastrophic illness.

01:27:38.240 And Oprah is directly responsible for people such as her descendants, Mel Robbins, who just finagled this newfound career. 1.00

01:27:47.700 She was at one point $800,000 in debt as an adult wife and mother. 0.99

01:27:53.460 She was a day drinker. 1.00

01:27:54.840 She was a fuck up. 1.00

01:27:56.480 Okay, she's got no business being in this space. 1.00

01:27:59.860 Jim Curtis is another one.

01:28:01.620 Jim Curtis, Jennifer Aniston's boyfriend.

01:28:03.340 Oh, yes, I do know.

01:28:04.520 Okay, yes.

01:28:05.300 He's another one.

01:28:06.220 His whole thing, again, he's got no, he doesn't do deep reading.

01:28:10.140 He hasn't studied with anybody.

01:28:12.060 We should all look for yellow butterflies.

01:28:14.360 Okay, now, if you look for a yellow butterfly, that's going to help you self-actualize.

01:28:18.460 How, I do not know.

01:28:19.440 But it's this kind of stuff that presupposes that everybody can be super special.

01:28:28.540 Everybody can be super talented and super wealthy and super famous as if that's also what everybody wants.

01:28:35.480 Not everybody wants that, you know?

01:28:37.300 Can I tell you something?

01:28:38.700 Oprah coined that phrase, aha moment.

01:28:40.320 I had my own aha moment in watching that, which was I've been lied to by many years by this person.

01:28:48.100 When I was younger and more gullible before my careers as a lawyer and a journalist, which will, of course, beat the optimism right out of you.

01:28:57.220 your dreamy, sunny optimism and make you a cynic, but I actually am an optimistic person in general.

01:29:02.220 Anyway, when I was more willing to believe utter pablum like that, I was sold a bunch of nonsense 0.55

01:29:11.000 by this woman because she's an actress. What I saw there was acting in the same way like you'd

01:29:18.220 get from a televangelist, you know, a snake oil salesman. We have to watch it one more time,

01:29:24.440 that first clip because what I didn't realize all those years, Maureen, was that she was not

01:29:30.500 offering profundities. She was taking banal, meaningless statements and putting the force 0.84

01:29:38.120 of an over actress behind them. And I was buying it as it were millions of American women who had 0.68

01:29:46.340 never been sold this particular brand of product before. Let's watch it again now. 1.00

01:29:51.180 I believe that I've had just the most blessed life on earth.

01:30:00.320 I just can't get over how blessed I have been in my life.

01:30:08.920 I can't get over it.

01:30:10.600 I marvel at what God and the life forces have done for me.

01:30:16.760 I marvel at that.

01:30:17.980 But when I think about it now, from the point of view of 72, I realize that what I have acquired is not as magnificent or extraordinary as who I have become.

01:30:37.440 And I know that the world looks at what I have acquired, but it's who I have become.

01:30:44.960 and I recognize that you really need to admire the work to become myself is the same work and

01:30:54.440 ability that everybody has to become the most of themselves and I am most proud of the woman that

01:31:01.260 I have become oh my god that she said nothing you know the other thing about that in watching it

01:31:10.440 again is if she were really here to do what she says she was put on earth to do by god the fates

01:31:17.120 whatever all of her talk it's really self-talk and it's narcissism it's look at me look at like

01:31:23.680 what the person i become i become instead of being like what a privileged position i've been in to be

01:31:29.040 able to reach so many people touch so many lives i come at this with complete humility because

01:31:33.840 having a platform like this can confer you with maybe a kind of power that you haven't earned or

01:31:38.540 deserve. And you have to be very careful with that. You know, I think her greatest accomplishment

01:31:43.240 on the Oprah Winfrey show was, was bastardizing spiritualism and self-actualization as consumerism

01:31:50.100 and materialism epitomized in you get a car, you get a car, you get a car. Yes. Yes. Honestly,

01:31:57.120 like it's incredible how she's, she's tearing up over herself because she, the whole message there

01:32:03.480 was it's, I know you admire all the things that I have as you should, but really what you're

01:32:08.760 failing to recognize is the truly special thing is me. And she's crying over it at the top.

01:32:14.700 She's actually, well, purporting to tear up over this extraordinary thing, which she wants you to

01:32:21.680 know is her, that not her accomplishments, not her things that she's acquired, but her. And then

01:32:28.100 literally right after spending three lines saying, I can't get over it. I cannot get over it. I

01:32:34.740 marvel at it. She's like, but when I think about it now, from the point of view from 72,

01:32:39.120 she got over it. She's over it very quickly because it was acting. She's acting like she

01:32:44.920 did in the Meghan Markle interview. It just took my own maturity and perhaps her distance from her

01:32:50.260 actual acting career by starring in movies like The Color Purple and like her skills need a little

01:32:56.820 dusting that the two have come together to show me what was happening. I was defrauded. I was

01:33:03.160 misled. You were not alone. Don't blame the victim. Don't blame yourself. Don't go there.

01:33:08.960 It actually is just occurring to me now what we're doing with this Mel Robbins appearance.

01:33:14.260 And this is potentially another parody for the two of us down the line. Do you know that Oprah

01:33:21.060 Winfrey is going to play the sphere in Las Vegas? Do you know the sphere? Yeah. How is she going to

01:33:25.960 play it she's gonna go in and she's gonna the sphere is gonna i guess become something like 1.00

01:33:30.620 the womb i can only imagine what she's going to do right yell at people that's what she does so 0.86

01:33:35.320 it's supposed you're spending like maybe eleven hundred dollars for a two to four hour long 0.95

01:33:39.680 experience which i guarantee you will include oprah on stage for 45 like a tight 45 yes and

01:33:45.240 then the rest will be like a bunch of her filler adjacent like low level self-help you know whatever 0.97

01:33:51.220 Like Mel Robbins?

01:33:52.540 Like a Mel Robbins or like, you know, someone she flies in from India to do some shaman work with the crowd or whatever.

01:33:59.880 Oh my.

01:34:00.320 Yeah. 0.97

01:34:01.120 Who would pay at this point in life to go see Oprah at The Sphere?

01:34:06.580 I mean, we're trying, right?

01:34:08.080 We're trying to disabuse those who are still. 1.00

01:34:10.300 But like, it's interesting because it's only a small, it's a small residency. 0.99

01:34:13.500 It's really small.

01:34:14.680 It's not like U2 or the Eagles where they played for like a month or eight weeks.

01:34:18.960 I think she's only doing like four dates.

01:34:21.600 It's like a test run.

01:34:22.860 Okay, yes.

01:34:23.780 Here's, let's see.

01:34:25.660 What am I looking at here, Steve?

01:34:27.580 Is it the, okay, aha.

01:34:30.520 Oprah's aha at the Spear, Las Vegas.

01:34:34.080 She's calling it the aha.

01:34:35.300 The aha.

01:34:36.200 Oh my gosh.

01:34:37.300 Oprah Winfrey's aha, a brand new visual

01:34:40.680 and musically immersive symphony of senses

01:34:44.140 comes to the Spear in April.

01:34:48.020 Created by a global collective of musicians, artists, and storytellers,

01:34:51.800 the two-hour experience features Oprah Winfrey live on stage

01:34:54.760 alongside special performances that take guests on a profound journey

01:34:58.960 of wonder, joy, and the ultimate aha.

01:35:02.080 That's what I'm saying. 0.99

01:35:03.500 Now with some maturity, don't you see what bullshit that is? 0.99

01:35:06.680 What of wonder, joy, and the ultimate aha? 0.99

01:35:10.560 No, what you're going to get is more Oprah acting.

01:35:13.420 I believe that your work here is to become yourself, to fulfill the dream of your life

01:35:23.280 here on earth. What does that mean? I have no idea. How? What's my dream? How do I figure it

01:35:29.200 out? How do I then fulfill it? What happens after that? What if God throws curveballs my way? What

01:35:34.060 if I feel depressed along the way, Oprah? What am I supposed to do then? Like, what do you mean I'm

01:35:37.960 supposed to fulfill my dream. Hey Megan, only two hours, two hours and maybe $1,100 and you got a

01:35:44.940 shot at getting the answer. And then I, my whole life is going to change. I don't think so. Um,

01:35:49.780 okay, let's keep going. The, uh, the woman known as Lena Dunham has decided to reproduce. I'm sorry 1.00

01:35:59.260 to tell you, not everybody should be a mother, honestly. Couldn't agree with you more. Right. 1.00

01:36:03.180 And that's fine.

01:36:04.300 Not everybody should do it.

01:36:06.700 And unfortunately, though, she used a surrogate, she did pass along her gene pool, which I also think is problematic. 0.97

01:36:11.560 Did she?

01:36:12.120 Yeah.

01:36:12.800 She seems to be saying in the write-up that I saw of this that it was her egg that was used, but obviously not her body.

01:36:21.360 Hold on a second.

01:36:23.180 This is Lena Dunham.

01:36:25.720 Okay, this is from the Vogue article.

01:36:27.240 So, present and forthright with a name of impressively obedient curls and the strong sinewy

01:36:36.260 form of someone who is actually good at yoga, the surrogate had stirred something in me.

01:36:40.920 This is an excerpt, obviously, from her.

01:36:42.840 As soon as we were introduced, with my husband out of town, I had brought my mother to meet

01:36:46.980 her and her partner, and we sat in a coffee shop in Cobble Hill, holding our matchas like

01:36:51.760 props as we talked about our lives, her children, the reasons she wanted to undertake this

01:36:57.220 journey, as they so love to call it, infertility medicine. After we left, my mother nodded

01:37:03.660 approvingly. Then one of us said something I can't remember, and we fought so hard, we took

01:37:09.740 separate cabs back into Manhattan. Nothing like staring motherhood in the face, no matter how much

01:37:15.200 you've wanted it or for how long, to make you instantly regress into a surly 14-year-old with

01:37:22.940 the needs of an anxiously attached toddler. Then she writes this. I got to put on my readers. I'm

01:37:30.520 struggling here, getting older. In the months before the embryo transfer date, I got to know

01:37:35.900 our surrogate and to trust her. The feelings I thought would be there somehow weren't. Namely,

01:37:41.580 jealousy that this woman could do for a child, for my child, what I could not. Carry her safely in

01:37:46.780 her body, use her form to feed and house her, regulate the baby's ever-evolving nervous system

01:37:51.580 with steadiness, heart, and breath.

01:37:52.960 Instead, I felt a different kind of jealousy

01:37:55.640 toward said baby

01:37:57.800 for the chance to be tucked into someone

01:37:59.920 who radiated such safety.

01:38:01.960 What?

01:38:02.820 Okay, wait.

01:38:03.680 So maybe I was wrong

01:38:04.640 when I heard the embryo transfer date.

01:38:06.740 That could have been anybody's embryo.

01:38:08.700 Didn't have to be Lena Dunham's.

01:38:10.340 So I'm not sure whether it's her egg or not,

01:38:12.500 but really, either way, 0.99

01:38:14.640 this woman is seriously tortured. 1.00

01:38:18.520 Here's one thing. 1.00

01:38:19.680 I couldn't define exactly what I wanted,

01:38:21.420 but I knew when I saw it, clothing that was playful, but didn't lead with too much wink,

01:38:25.400 wink, cuteness, shopping, shopping for baby clothes. And most of all, I was looking for

01:38:28.720 garments that allowed her personality to develop and express itself rather than announcing an

01:38:32.820 identity she didn't have yet. I guess that's what we mothers are doing when we buy or like you buy 0.96

01:38:37.060 for your niece. Um, we, instead of buying anything for them, which is announcing an identity that

01:38:43.680 they do not yet have, we should just wait until they tell us what their, what their identity is

01:38:50.120 to give her options and to offer her something my mother had offered me

01:38:53.880 and that had lent childhood its most magical moments,

01:38:56.780 the chance to develop her own taste, to curate her world,

01:39:01.000 to express her moves, and on and on we go. 0.91

01:39:06.040 This is a sick person who should not be anybody's caregiver.

01:39:10.380 So this may sound harsh, but I remember reading,

01:39:13.700 she wrote an essay for Vogue years ago about getting a hysterectomy.

01:39:18.640 It was a very young woman.

01:39:20.120 and it was complicated and tortured in the way that so much of Lena's existence is.

01:39:26.380 But I thought to myself, well, at least she'll never have a child.

01:39:30.620 Like, that is a good thing.

01:39:31.920 That is a blessing. 1.00

01:39:33.180 She turfs through dogs. 0.98

01:39:35.400 Like, she has had a history of turfing through dogs, like adopting them.

01:39:40.200 She had this dog named Lammy.

01:39:42.380 She did her first Vogue shoot with Lammy.

01:39:44.660 Lammy was always with her on the set of Girls.

01:39:47.460 Smash cut a few years later, she dumped the dog. 0.99

01:39:50.360 She dumped the dog.

01:39:51.140 The shelter, it's called Bark.

01:39:53.720 It's a big shelter in, I believe, Brooklyn.

01:39:56.000 And they were like, she was supposed to bring the dog back if she didn't want it anymore.

01:39:59.800 You don't just like turf a dog. 0.99

01:40:01.520 That dog did not have behavioral issues like she was claiming.

01:40:04.600 So if you're going to do that to a dog, you have no, and again, in her first memoir, Not That Kind of Girl,

01:40:12.120 She wrote about being sexually inappropriate with her younger sister multiple times.

01:40:17.000 She is a disturbed individual.

01:40:19.560 And I cannot believe that just, you know, anyone can become a parent.

01:40:24.060 You know, you look at this photo that they took for Vogue for the digital essay.

01:40:29.260 I don't know if it's going in the physical edition.

01:40:31.680 She and her husband, they look like they're homeless.

01:40:35.460 He's a jobless middle-aged DJ.

01:40:38.040 He's got no money. 0.94

01:40:39.700 Look at her. 1.00

01:40:40.400 She looks like she hasn't showered in weeks. 0.91

01:40:42.600 And I'm not talking about, like, the new mother, I don't have time to shower. 0.95

01:40:46.160 I mean, she can afford help, nannies, housekeepers, all of it, personal assistants. 0.87

01:40:51.900 They look—this is not a happy story, and this is why I hate the celebrity media industrial complex.

01:40:58.020 He is—they're both very unattractive.

01:41:00.980 I'm sorry.

01:41:01.580 But, like, why are we still pretending Lena Dunham is a thing?

01:41:05.020 You know, she did Girls, and that had, like, a following.

01:41:07.660 That's pretty much been her major offering to the world.

01:41:10.400 It's very, very outdated now.

01:41:12.920 She's obviously made zero attempt to keep herself up physically.

01:41:16.820 She seems to lean into her homeliness.

01:41:19.500 And now we continue to treat her like she's relevant.

01:41:22.560 She's getting the Vogue spread.

01:41:23.900 We care about somehow the fact that she used a surrogate to have a baby,

01:41:26.600 which is like not, look at this, look at, look at this,

01:41:29.760 this red carpet photo of her.

01:41:32.580 I just like, why are they doing that? 1.00

01:41:34.300 Because she, because they think that feminism was her main thing. 1.00

01:41:37.680 This is her. She is the Met Gala, completely eaten by a bunch of feathers. Truly, is it because in that one series she took a feminist position and therefore she will be forever loved? Is it because she leaned into being obese and, you know, these magazine editors love that? Like, what is it about her that continues to garner all this attention? 1.00

01:41:56.700 I think, you know, she comes from an art world family in New York City.

01:42:02.740 So there's some cachet to that.

01:42:04.460 She knew all the right people.

01:42:06.060 There's some cachet to that.

01:42:07.620 I think there's something that, like, even Anna Wintour at Vogue understands.

01:42:13.340 It's like, you know that line in The First Devil Wears Prada where Miranda says to Andy after Andy has disappointed her, the Anne Hathaway character.

01:42:22.180 And she's sitting behind the desk and she goes, you know, I tried.

01:42:25.760 I said to myself, take a chance on the funny fat girl, you know, it's like, she's the toe, 0.92

01:42:33.120 Alina's the token. She's the funny fat girl, you know? And it's like, look at me. I'm not

01:42:36.940 judgmental. I'm not superficial. I have a funny fat friend who's like, you look at those photos

01:42:41.700 on the red carpet and I'm not trying to be flip. You look at her and you think that is a mentally 0.89

01:42:46.360 disturbed individual. She's got all the access, all the money in the world. She is eating herself. 0.98

01:42:52.120 That is not medical.

01:42:53.260 She looks like a hoarder. 0.99

01:42:54.840 Yeah, she doesn't look-

01:42:55.940 You wouldn't be surprised at all 1.00

01:42:56.860 to learn she's got like a ham sandwich 1.00

01:42:58.140 under that left armpit. 1.00

01:43:04.000 Okay, here she is.

01:43:07.260 Where is this?

01:43:08.740 Okay.

01:43:10.120 Oh, it's a scene from, no, it's not.

01:43:12.920 Yeah, okay, it's a documentary

01:43:13.960 about either her or girls. 1.00

01:43:17.400 Here she is, sat 26.

01:43:19.340 I also liked the idea of showing someone 0.83

01:43:21.620 who was getting an abortion and wasn't tortured by it.

01:43:24.840 I feel like so often when we see a situation of a woman

01:43:27.620 choosing to terminate a pregnancy on television,

01:43:29.860 it comes with so much pain and angst.

01:43:33.840 And I liked the idea of a character

01:43:35.280 who goes so far in the other direction

01:43:38.380 that it's almost confusing for the audience

01:43:40.060 because we've been taught to react one way to this,

01:43:42.560 which is, you know, with tears and regret.

01:43:45.240 As someone who's really passionate

01:43:46.540 about reproductive justice, for me,

01:43:48.760 It's not just about making sure abortion is legal.

01:43:52.340 It's about making sure abortion is without stigma and is not something that women feel like they have to apologize for.

01:43:59.320 That also will get you a lot of love from the magazine editors. 0.98

01:44:02.320 Let's destigmatize abortion. 0.98

01:44:04.800 Let's make it something super fun that you don't have to feel guilty about.

01:44:08.960 Apropos of that, the New Yorker just tweeted out this the other day.

01:44:12.640 pregnancy tests draw a misleading, somewhat arbitrary binary between a state of being

01:44:19.400 pregnant and not being pregnant. A misleading binary between those two things? You can be

01:44:26.420 kind of pregnant, a little bit pregnant, or almost pregnant, or maybe pregnant,

01:44:30.900 and still test positive for pregnancy. What? Pregnancy tests, particularly at-home urine

01:44:37.140 tests capture a moment in time in which an embryo has implanted right we call that what again

01:44:43.460 pregnancy and is interfacing with the uterus in some way interfacing with the uterus quote we

01:44:52.560 define how we understand the beginning of pregnancy based on this snapshot but such a freeze frame

01:44:57.240 contains limited information apurva tadapali writes read more about this in the new yorker

01:45:04.820 We're good.

01:45:05.680 We don't need to read more.

01:45:07.160 And the name of the article is When Does Pregnancy Really Begin?

01:45:09.440 How insane is this? 1.00

01:45:11.540 That's her sect. 0.67

01:45:12.840 I mean, I think we've answered our question, right?

01:45:15.140 You lean into these things like body positivity, no matter how dangerously obese I am and unwashed

01:45:22.600 from the look of it. 0.99

01:45:24.320 Her feminist bit in Girls, which promoted abortion without shame or guilt.

01:45:29.800 And, you know, the magazines are telling us who they are with pieces like this in The

01:45:33.800 New Yorker. 0.55

01:45:34.180 You can be kind of pregnant. 1.00

01:45:36.280 That's fine. 1.00

01:45:37.140 Selena Dunham is also, she said so much stupid, dangerous shit in her life. 1.00

01:45:42.620 It's hard to keep up with. 1.00

01:45:43.520 But she also said publicly that she had never had an abortion, but she wished she had.

01:45:48.540 Oh, my God.

01:45:49.140 She wished she had because it's such a, it's a rite of passage. 1.00

01:45:52.920 It's an experience that every young feminist would want instead of it being like a horrific thing to be confronted with.

01:45:59.080 I mean, I have a friend who had one as a young woman and to this day is tortured by it. 0.99

01:46:07.200 So it's a bunch of bullshit to be feeding young women that it's no big deal. 0.99

01:46:10.940 Right. 1.00

01:46:11.360 That is sick. 1.00

01:46:12.240 And she is sick. 0.99

01:46:13.200 And I'm sad to hear that she's created a little baby.

01:46:15.800 You got big plans for the weekend?

01:46:18.060 Oh, I'm getting a massage.

01:46:20.660 So nice.

01:46:21.160 I'm sleeping late.

01:46:22.500 I'm going to try to squeeze out another summer weekend at the beach.

01:46:26.100 What about you?

01:46:27.000 I got kids, kids, and more kids and lots of sports, which I love.

01:46:31.060 I love doing all that stuff.

01:46:32.200 It's a privilege to be with them.

01:46:34.100 I love you too, lady.

01:46:35.480 I love you, Megan.

01:46:36.280 Thanks for being here.

01:46:37.040 Thanks for having me.

01:46:37.780 Have a wonderful weekend.

01:46:38.960 We'll do it all over again on Monday.

01:46:41.020 See you then.

01:46:41.460 Don't forget to tune in to MK Confidential tonight.

01:46:44.340 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:46:46.320 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - September 18, 2026

Bombshell Book From Diana's Brother, Oprah's USELESS Advice, and Lena Dunham's New Baby, with Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 1401

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