The Megyn Kelly Show - Bombshell Diddy Charges, and ＂Dating Game Killer,＂ with Matt Murphy, Plus Megyn on Tucker, Shawn Ryan, All-In

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.160 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.200 Today we have a special episode on true crime, past and present.

00:00:19.920 You heard about the Diddy indictment.

00:00:21.860 There's breaking news in the Brian Kohlberger case.

00:00:24.580 And we actually have some details on what's going to happen with Trump's would-be assassin as well.

00:00:30.680 And we've got the perfect guest to cover it all.

00:00:33.220 Matt Murphy is a former senior deputy district attorney in California and current ABC News legal analyst.

00:00:39.800 And he is the author of a brand new book that you're going to want to read.

00:00:44.020 It's called Fellow True Crime Junkies, The Book of Murder, A Prosecutor's Journey Through Love and Death.

00:00:52.140 Murder.

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00:01:02.520 That's all I could say.

00:01:03.100 The Book of Murder by Matt Murphy.

00:01:06.220 And this is a guy who knows of what he writes because he put the worst prisoners in jail for his entire career.

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00:02:30.180 Matt, welcome back to the show.

00:02:31.620 Thank you so much.

00:02:32.600 Yeah.

00:02:33.020 I mean, congrats.

00:02:33.600 You came back on during our fraud week and walked us through one of your big cases.

00:02:38.260 And now you're out with this book, and it's a great reason to talk about what's in there and some of these other cases.

00:02:43.520 So let me just hit you up on the ones that are in the news first, and then we'll get to the book.

00:02:47.640 What do you think is going to happen now with this would-be Trump assassin?

00:02:51.720 Because there's a bit of a turf war starting to unfold between Florida and the feds, where Ron DeSantis says he's going to get to the bottom of how the security lapse occurred.

00:03:02.660 And yet the feds say it's our investigation and the FBI will run point on it.

00:03:06.300 We had Eric Prince suggesting DeSantis should not turn over this shooter to the feds.

00:03:12.380 He should keep him in Florida to make sure he doesn't suddenly have an Epstein-like ending.

00:03:16.900 So how do you see that playing out?

00:03:19.780 Well, I've actually been in one of these before, one of these turf battles, and it's interesting.

00:03:24.380 I think that the way this will shake out is that this is known as dual jurisdiction.

00:03:29.500 So both the state has jurisdiction over this and the feds have jurisdiction over this.

00:03:34.500 So it's like the old expression, what is it, possession is nine-tenths of the law.

00:03:38.980 Florida, I think, has the body right now.

00:03:41.000 They've got the would-be shooter.

00:03:43.240 So it's going to be really interesting.

00:03:45.840 One of the things that I think they're going to hesitate about is that right now the feds have only essentially brought up gun charges.

00:03:53.940 The obliterated serial number and a felon in possession of a firearm, that doesn't – there are a lot of confidence in where this case is probably merited to go, and that is attempted murder.

00:04:07.140 Now, attempted murder is a very interesting concept in a case like this because it requires a direct but ineffectual step towards the completion of the act, so the intended act beyond mere preparation.

00:04:20.460 So it's actually – this is almost a law school hypo.

00:04:23.400 When you've got somebody who intends to kill somebody, you know, forget presidential candidates, just any other human being, who takes – who prepares for it and then takes direct but ineffectual steps beyond mere preparation, is that satisfied here?

00:04:37.740 I think a lot of people would say it is.

00:04:40.840 But then at the same time, you know, attempted murders are also historically difficult to prove.

00:04:46.640 So this is going to be really interesting to see the way this shakes out.

00:04:50.140 Worst case scenario, I think.

00:04:50.800 It's going to be a defense of, like, I was just sitting on the golf course.

00:04:53.340 What do you mean?

00:04:53.660 I was going to shoot birds.

00:04:56.700 I mean, we've seen so many crazy things in court, so who knows what they're going to come up with.

00:05:01.620 But, yeah, something like that.

00:05:02.780 What I think is really interesting about this, and just in the – as everybody has been sort of looking at this case, the first thing every prosecutor is going to look at is, is this a John Hinckley type situation?

00:05:15.620 You're going to look at the mental health or the mental stability of the would-be shooter.

00:05:20.060 That's the first thing that, whether you're a federal prosecutor or a state prosecutor, is there going to be some sort of insanity defense.

00:05:27.140 And based on everything I've read so far, that's a nonstarter.

00:05:30.240 This guy's functional.

00:05:31.600 He might be wacky, but there's a huge difference between being, you know, a loon and being legally crazy under what is known as the McNaughton rule, which means you do not recognize the nature and quality of your acts.

00:05:44.140 So this guy, an insanity defense, isn't going to play.

00:05:47.760 The next thing, and I guarantee they are furiously doing this behind the scenes, both the state guys and the federal guys, everybody is looking for – essentially there's two types of assistants in cases like this.

00:05:59.000 There's assistants before, which makes somebody a principal to the crime or a co-conspirator.

00:06:04.160 And they're – I guarantee they are looking at every machine he's got, every phone, every computer, trying to track down if there's any accomplices in a conspiracy type context.

00:06:15.340 And then there's help after the crime or accessory after the fact.

00:06:19.000 That's anybody who attempts to destroy evidence or hide things.

00:06:22.500 And, I mean, the weight of the world is going to come down on this investigation, be it state or federal.

00:06:29.360 And anybody involved is going to be in a whole lot of trouble.

00:06:33.880 But this also could be a guy who acted alone.

00:06:35.680 Another thing is that just drives me crazy, as long as anybody else has been in law enforcement or the military, is this gun keeps being described, the rifle he had, is an AK-47 style rifle, and it's not.

00:06:47.580 This is an SKS.

00:06:48.920 It's a totally different kind of gun.

00:06:50.180 They fired the same ammunition.

00:06:51.780 But it's a cheap, readily available rifle that also everybody should be aware of.

00:06:57.820 He was not entitled to have.

00:06:59.600 He was a convicted felon, so nobody can legally sell him that firearm.

00:07:03.460 So this is going to be interesting to see where it goes.

00:07:06.280 Oh, so those people could potentially be in trouble, whoever sold it to him.

00:07:10.400 Could he argue, Matt, I wasn't going to kill anybody?

00:07:14.160 This isn't like Butler, where the shooter fired shots and took a man's life and hit Trump.

00:07:21.020 Could he argue, I wanted him to listen to me about Ukraine?

00:07:25.860 My plan was to get him to a point where he was scared and just to hear me out.

00:07:32.060 Now, I realize he had a GoPro and he had, they said, they call it ceramics in his backpack, which my understanding is, as I just learned yesterday, is some sort of defense mechanism.

00:07:42.540 It's like to help him be bulletproof if he took fire.

00:07:45.360 But that shows only that he was worried about somebody shooting him, not that he was necessarily going to shoot someone.

00:07:51.780 So couldn't a clever defense attorney potentially get him off on an argument like that since he didn't actually pull a trigger?

00:07:58.960 I think you hit the nail on the head.

00:08:02.460 I think that we're going to see something almost exactly like that.

00:08:06.000 And also, that's another thing that drives everybody crazy that's mirroring it.

00:08:09.540 They keep calling it ceramic tiles.

00:08:11.680 Ceramic tiles are what you have in your house or in your kitchen.

00:08:14.320 These are called ceramic plates, and that defeats high-caliber ammunition.

00:08:21.480 So our soldiers in the military wear ceramic plates, and certain law enforcement wear ceramic plates as well.

00:08:27.440 So it's not tiles.

00:08:28.900 It's ceramic plates, everybody.

00:08:31.000 So that also shows preparation.

00:08:34.260 And you're right.

00:08:34.760 That shows that he's preparing to engage in a gun battle where you can wear soft armor is what it's called that will defeat handguns.

00:08:42.320 But plates are for rifles like those carried by the Secret Service.

00:08:47.280 So this was, at least initially here, and this is all based on what's just come public, but this appears to be a very planned out scheme.

00:08:57.900 And you're right.

00:08:59.400 At some point, we're going to hear some defense lawyer, whether it's in state court or whether it's in federal court, coming out and saying he just wanted his attention or he didn't really want to do it, blah, blah, blah.

00:09:10.020 But I think, based on the evidence we have so far, this was a 7.62 magazine with live ammunition in it.

00:09:19.020 So good luck with that one, especially with a Florida jury.

00:09:23.620 I don't see that.

00:09:24.580 And they're probably finding his writings, emails, diaries, and so on showing intent.

00:09:29.380 We've seen intent, even in his own self-published book, that he wanted Trump to be assassinated.

00:09:34.480 But so we'll see.

00:09:35.180 There'll be more of it.

00:09:36.240 Okay, let's shift gears.

00:09:37.240 Again, the name of Matt's book is The Book of Murder.

00:09:40.580 It's not about these cases, but the reason Matt can speak so intelligently about these cases is he's a lifelong prosecutor in Orange County.

00:09:47.380 He did dozens of felony criminal prosecutions in one year, never mind all the lifetime that he's devoted to it.

00:09:53.860 Some of the worst serial killers on earth put behind bars, thanks to Matt, and he talks about it in The Book of Murder.

00:10:00.140 Let's get to P. Diddy, because this news hit, and this is big.

00:10:04.460 So he finally did get arrested.

00:10:06.000 He's in federal custody, charged with racketeering conspiracy, multiple acts of kidnapping, arson, bribery, tampering, forced labor, prostitution, transportation,

00:10:16.680 and inducement of travel for purposes of prostitution and other illegal sexual activities, multiple offenses, including possession with intent to distribute,

00:10:24.980 distribution of narcotics, controlled substances, including cocaine, oxycodone, and others,

00:10:30.180 sex trafficking by force, this is the second count, and transportation to engage in prostitution.

00:10:35.080 The allegations are deeply disturbing.

00:10:37.280 Talking about how he used to have something called, well, not used to, but he has been hosting something called Freak Offs,

00:10:44.300 where they said he used his business, his enterprise, to intimidate, threaten, and lure female victims into his orbit

00:10:51.760 under the pretense of a romantic relationship, oftentimes.

00:10:56.500 He then used force, threats of force, and coercion to cause victims to engage in extended sex acts

00:11:01.400 with male commercial sex workers referred to as Freak Offs.

00:11:05.360 These were elaborate and produced sex performances that Combs arranged, directed, masturbated during, and often electronically recorded.

00:11:13.920 He kept the videos he filmed of the victims engaging in these sex acts,

00:11:19.160 and he says law enforcement, this says law enforcement seized various freak-off supplies, including narcotics,

00:11:25.940 1,000 bottles of baby oil and lubricant,

00:11:29.220 and that among other things he hit, kicked, threw objects at, dragged victims at times by their hair,

00:11:34.320 and threatened them to ensure continued obedience and silence.

00:11:40.440 Among other things, he engaged in abuse of people who crossed him or said they would speak out,

00:11:46.060 including kidnapping and arson.

00:11:49.620 I mean, that's one humdinger of an indictment, Matt.

00:11:53.280 It reads like a novel by itself.

00:11:58.240 This is going to be a fascinating case to watch for a variety of reasons,

00:12:02.620 but we're talking about federal sentencing guidelines.

00:12:05.560 So what that means is even kind of the throwaway counts,

00:12:08.680 where you're talking about the narcotics with firearms,

00:12:12.680 that alone, if nothing else, winds up a conviction,

00:12:18.680 that alone carries such incredible potential federal sentences.

00:12:25.580 You know, just being possession of Schedule 1 narcotics with the intent to distribute,

00:12:30.520 along with firearms by itself, you know, he could spend decades in prison for that alone.

00:12:35.720 I think that what's different on this case, also, Megan, is that we've read about these civil cases,

00:12:42.260 and of course he was charged with a shooting back in the day.

00:12:46.180 This is, he's been charged under what's called the Mann Act,

00:12:49.300 or that's essentially sex trafficking,

00:12:52.160 but also there appear to be RICO allegations in here, which is a criminal enterprise.

00:12:57.820 And when you're talking about criminal enterprises,

00:13:00.020 what the feds love to do,

00:13:01.600 and what every prosecutor loves to do, really,

00:13:03.960 is you look for people who have criminal jeopardy in the complaint.

00:13:09.060 In other words, they're part of the enterprise,

00:13:11.160 transporting these women or distributing narcotics, whatever it may be,

00:13:15.040 and they are now in legal jeopardy.

00:13:17.100 And you go to their lawyer and say,

00:13:19.520 hey, do they want to be a witness,

00:13:20.880 or do they want to be a defendant in this thing?

00:13:22.780 So I think that what we can expect is we're going to see confidants

00:13:26.200 and people that are a part of this enterprise

00:13:28.300 turning evidence against ditty.

00:13:30.640 I think that's what we can see.

00:13:33.120 And I mean, I shouldn't call him ditty, Mr. Combs.

00:13:36.340 But he is, he's in a lot of trouble here.

00:13:39.280 And I'll tell you another thing,

00:13:40.640 the feds don't like to, they don't like to take a lot of risk.

00:13:44.940 And when you're talking about that word video,

00:13:48.280 you know, that's one of the things about sex offenders

00:13:50.680 that it's always mind boggling,

00:13:54.240 but they love to record it.

00:13:55.880 And it is, you know, when they did the,

00:13:58.740 when they served the search warrant on his home in Los Angeles,

00:14:01.320 remember that?

00:14:01.700 And the Bearcat trucks went in and they were seen,

00:14:05.160 they were seen leaving with computers.

00:14:06.500 And everybody in law enforcement at that point saw those videos

00:14:09.440 and said they're going to do a complete forensic workup.

00:14:12.520 And the FBI is actually the best in the world

00:14:15.100 at getting into electronic devices

00:14:17.820 and figuring out how to get past,

00:14:19.460 you know, passwords and all that sort of thing.

00:14:21.780 And the timing of this is interesting.

00:14:24.880 I think that this was,

00:14:25.880 it appears to be a very methodical, careful investigation.

00:14:28.940 And this indictment is just mind blowing.

00:14:32.780 One quick question about the number of celebrities in his orbit,

00:14:36.780 because he was known,

00:14:38.200 is known for these massive parties, like days long.

00:14:43.580 This video when he first got his house searched,

00:14:46.280 recirculated as if he were threatening the celebrities.

00:14:50.660 Like, I'm going to spill the tea on all of you.

00:14:54.220 It turned out to be the invite list,

00:14:56.880 I think for his 50th birthday party,

00:14:58.620 but we recued it up just to give you a feel

00:15:01.000 for this guy's friend group.

00:15:03.620 Okay, watch a bit of this.

00:15:05.800 Are you ready?

00:15:06.840 Drum roll.

00:15:09.780 He's got his child on his lap for the listening audience.

00:15:12.760 Drake.

00:15:13.260 Drake.

00:15:13.560 Oprah.

00:15:14.520 J-Lo.

00:15:15.440 J-Lo.

00:15:16.320 A-Rod.

00:15:17.260 A-Rod.

00:15:18.160 Will Smith.

00:15:19.260 Will.

00:15:19.760 Will.

00:15:20.240 Alicia King.

00:15:22.600 Alicia King.

00:15:25.440 Black King.

00:15:27.580 Justin Bieber.

00:15:30.480 Okay, so you're the prosecutor in this case, let's say.

00:15:34.300 And you know those are the circles this guy runs in.

00:15:38.800 Those are the attendees at his 50th birthday party.

00:15:42.800 And some of those people almost certainly knew

00:15:46.440 about some of this stuff.

00:15:47.620 His penchant for drugging women,

00:15:50.380 for hurting women, abusing them, and so on.

00:15:53.780 These so-called freak offs.

00:15:55.480 And how does that dynamic of these very powerful,

00:15:58.740 well-known celebrities with lots of money,

00:16:01.480 which frankly is probably how Diddy state

00:16:03.540 out of law enforcement's crosshairs for this long.

00:16:06.360 How does that play into how you view this case?

00:16:09.060 Well, this is going to be obviously a hugely sensational trial.

00:16:15.120 With these charges, this is not the type of thing

00:16:17.740 that is going to plead either.

00:16:19.280 This is going to trial.

00:16:20.400 I can virtually guarantee it.

00:16:22.540 And then you start thinking about the witness list.

00:16:24.620 Now, from their perspective,

00:16:26.440 we kind of saw a little bit of this with the Jeffrey Epstein case, right?

00:16:29.480 There was, he got convicted in Florida,

00:16:31.400 and he had all kinds of people in his orbit for a while,

00:16:34.580 and he was taking the jet, putting people on his plane and all that stuff.

00:16:38.500 Almost all of them stopped contact with him

00:16:40.400 after he was convicted in Florida.

00:16:42.680 But then he got a whole new group of people,

00:16:44.640 including a lot of socialites here in New York City,

00:16:46.780 that didn't seem to mind this sex conviction.

00:16:51.260 So we're going to see something similar here

00:16:53.360 where I think we're going to see a lot of people

00:16:54.900 trying to distance themselves from him.

00:16:57.300 Now, what is fascinating here is somebody leaked

00:17:00.020 that hotel video from 2016 with his girlfriend, Cassie.

00:17:03.060 And we've all seen that by now.

00:17:04.780 And I think that we all kind of, you know,

00:17:07.520 you talk about a fall from grace, you know.

00:17:10.400 But we've seen this before,

00:17:12.100 when famous people get in trouble like Bill Cosby or O.J. Simpson.

00:17:15.500 And you just, we have this public persona,

00:17:17.880 this public image that we have a hard time wrapping our head around.

00:17:21.100 Then we saw that video.

00:17:22.520 And that video was out.

00:17:23.240 Just telling the audience,

00:17:24.100 this is him abusing his now ex-girlfriend.

00:17:27.300 It's disturbing to watch.

00:17:29.560 She is 100% expected to be a witness against him.

00:17:32.280 Keep going, Matt.

00:17:33.400 Yeah.

00:17:33.820 I mean, we think we know somebody's public persona, right?

00:17:36.600 And it's really hard to wrap our head around it.

00:17:38.840 And then you see in that video,

00:17:40.840 he's in a towel and he's beating her and kicking her

00:17:43.700 as she's trying to get out of a hotel room.

00:17:45.580 And he's kicking her on the ground.

00:17:47.600 And it's like, ooh, that's highly corroborative.

00:17:51.040 Now, a thing that is disturbing me as an LA resident

00:17:55.280 is a lot of this stuff happened in the city of Los Angeles.

00:17:57.940 And we have a very progressive DA named George Gascon

00:18:02.020 who seems to be only interested in prosecuting police officers.

00:18:05.860 There's a permissive atmosphere regarding violent crime

00:18:09.720 in the city of Los Angeles right now.

00:18:11.620 And a lot of this went down in LA.

00:18:13.280 Where was the LA DA in this?

00:18:15.000 You know, again, we have the feds coming in to do this.

00:18:17.480 And there are certain crimes in this indictment

00:18:19.280 that can only be federal crimes.

00:18:20.740 But one of them is an arson that took place

00:18:22.840 in Los Angeles County.

00:18:23.840 And this is kind of what happens

00:18:26.220 when you have lax law enforcement

00:18:27.920 like we have under DA George Gascon in Los Angeles.

00:18:31.660 He's up for election coming up.

00:18:33.260 And any of your listeners who live in Los Angeles County,

00:18:35.580 if you're concerned about things like abuse against women

00:18:38.040 or abuse against children or sex trafficking,

00:18:41.220 take a hard look at that election

00:18:43.300 and decide how you're going to vote.

00:18:44.780 Because George Gascon and the DA's office

00:18:47.300 should have been all over this

00:18:48.260 and they had nothing to do with this investigation.

00:18:50.180 And it's disturbing to me.

00:18:51.920 They're disgraced.

00:18:52.860 They're humiliated.

00:18:54.320 The notion, though, that you can have these two faces,

00:18:58.060 you know, your public face,

00:18:59.100 which is this great guy who's so beloved by everyone

00:19:02.660 and brings us this amazing product in music,

00:19:05.280 but behind the scenes could be potentially a devil,

00:19:09.180 is disturbing to most people.

00:19:10.600 You know, we kind of bank on that

00:19:12.520 not being at least a common thing.

00:19:14.700 But that describes so many of the characters

00:19:17.700 in your book, the real life people.

00:19:20.620 It's called The Book of Murder.

00:19:21.720 It's by Matt Murphy.

00:19:22.840 You can get it now.

00:19:24.140 And that brings me to this guy who,

00:19:26.880 it's amazing because when I listen to the book,

00:19:29.760 like every dateline I've ever listened to,

00:19:32.340 every 2020 I've ever listened to,

00:19:34.340 Matt Murphy was the prosecutor in half of these cases.

00:19:36.600 You'll know a lot of these cases.

00:19:38.680 You're like, oh my God, this guy was that prosecutor.

00:19:41.220 So many of us know about this particular case.

00:19:43.960 It's called The Dating Game Guy or Murder.

00:19:46.900 He didn't murder somebody on The Dating Game.

00:19:48.760 But here is a man named Rodney Alcala

00:19:51.880 on The Dating Game, 1979.

00:19:54.820 It's a little long.

00:19:55.580 Watch the clip.

00:19:56.380 Seems like a great guy.

00:19:57.740 Let's watch.

00:19:59.360 Well, let's see.

00:20:00.020 Back to number one is a successful photographer

00:20:02.040 who got his start when his father found him

00:20:04.240 in the dark room at the age of 13,

00:20:06.540 fully developed.

00:20:08.640 Between takes,

00:20:09.680 he might find him skydiving or motorcycling.

00:20:12.060 Please welcome Rodney Alcala.

00:20:14.540 Rod, welcome.

00:20:16.520 Bachelor number one.

00:20:18.960 Yes?

00:20:19.620 What's your best time?

00:20:23.040 The best time is at night, nighttime.

00:20:26.760 Why do you say that?

00:20:28.100 Because that's the only time there is.

00:20:30.140 The only time?

00:20:31.000 What's wrong with morning, afternoon?

00:20:33.660 Well, they're okay,

00:20:34.620 but nighttime is when it really gets good.

00:20:36.680 Then you're really ready.

00:20:37.880 A bachelor number one.

00:20:40.040 I am serving you for dinner.

00:20:45.120 What are you called

00:20:47.300 and what do you look like?

00:20:50.920 I'm called the banana

00:20:52.360 and I look really good.

00:20:57.460 Can you be a little more descriptive?

00:20:59.760 Peel me.

00:21:02.500 Well, I like bananas,

00:21:04.680 so I'll take one.

00:21:05.860 Number one.

00:21:07.020 That's your number one.

00:21:08.260 All right.

00:21:10.040 Say hello to Rodney Alcala.

00:21:12.640 Rodney, come on and say hello.

00:21:17.040 Congratulations, Rod.

00:21:17.960 You did it with the one answer.

00:21:21.520 Unbelievable.

00:21:22.240 Matt Murphy, you take it from there.

00:21:24.480 Well, it's fascinating, right?

00:21:26.140 So that's a woman named Cheryl Bradshaw.

00:21:28.240 And a quick sort of coincidence.

00:21:30.920 Today, I think they're issuing the first trailers

00:21:35.720 for a movie that Anna Kendrick did.

00:21:37.820 It's her first directorial debut,

00:21:41.260 and she starred in it as well,

00:21:42.420 called Woman of the Hour.

00:21:43.740 And it's about Rodney Alcala.

00:21:45.500 Now, what's fascinating about Alcala,

00:21:47.260 number one, you see there the charm.

00:21:49.660 In that clip that we just watched,

00:21:51.680 Rodney Alcala is in the middle of a murder spree

00:21:54.720 that probably took about 100 lives.

00:21:58.220 And when we're talking about,

00:22:00.580 you know, we've got an election coming up, right?

00:22:02.340 And my book is not political at all.

00:22:04.820 But when you talk about Rodney Alcala,

00:22:08.060 Rodney Alcala received a life sentence

00:22:09.960 in the state of California in the 1970s.

00:22:12.880 He kidnapped and raped an eight-year-old girl

00:22:15.140 named Tally Shapiro in 1968.

00:22:17.300 He fled to New York.

00:22:18.500 He got away from that.

00:22:19.160 She miraculously lived after being in a coma for 32 days.

00:22:23.140 They extradited him back to California.

00:22:25.140 He received a life sentence,

00:22:26.260 and he was paroled in 34 months.

00:22:29.280 So he, after his parole, he went on to murder.

00:22:31.980 11 years before that dating game clip,

00:22:34.380 he had been convicted of murdering a child.

00:22:38.280 No, of kidnapping an eight-year-old off the street

00:22:41.820 and raping her.

00:22:42.960 Kidnapping, okay.

00:22:43.500 And kidnapping, right.

00:22:45.640 She lived, but she was in a coma for 32 days.

00:22:48.060 Well, by the dating game producers, just FYI.

00:22:50.980 But keep going.

00:22:51.980 Right, yeah.

00:22:52.800 And they were actually very cooperative.

00:22:54.480 It's Chuck Beres Productions.

00:22:55.580 They were cooperative with law enforcement, I should say.

00:22:57.980 I don't know if any of them are even still alive.

00:22:59.940 But so that guy gets paroled 34 months

00:23:04.440 for that crime with that little girl.

00:23:06.540 He had a parole violation

00:23:08.020 when they caught him smoking marijuana

00:23:09.280 with a 13-year-old on the cliffs in Huntington Beach.

00:23:11.800 Paroled again.

00:23:13.360 And then he was permitted to drive across country.

00:23:15.980 And the lead detective, Craig Robeson,

00:23:18.120 who's now a Supreme Court judge,

00:23:19.240 one of the smartest guys I know,

00:23:20.880 estimates that he killed about 100 people.

00:23:23.320 So that clip that we just watched,

00:23:25.100 he's in the middle of a murder spree,

00:23:27.060 finally murdering a 12-year-old girl

00:23:28.800 named Robin Samso in Huntington Beach.

00:23:30.620 The case went up twice.

00:23:32.280 He was convicted, sentenced to death in California.

00:23:34.640 Rose Byrd, who was the old presiding justice

00:23:36.580 of the California Supreme Court,

00:23:38.080 reversed that case, came down.

00:23:40.020 He was retried, went up through the Ninth Circuit.

00:23:43.820 They reversed it again, and then it wound up on my desk

00:23:46.300 with just the Samso murder.

00:23:48.260 And then we started,

00:23:49.320 no sooner was the ink dry

00:23:50.440 and the return on a remittator,

00:23:51.740 we started getting DNA hits from cold cases

00:23:54.020 in Los Angeles County.

00:23:55.280 And we went up, we prosecuted five here.

00:23:57.340 There's one in Wyoming,

00:23:58.300 who's cleared to a murder in Marin.

00:24:00.080 He's a suspect and two more in San Diego.

00:24:02.020 And at least five that we know of for sure

00:24:04.260 in the New York and Vermont areas.

00:24:06.600 So this guy was an absolute monster,

00:24:08.800 but you can see how charming he is,

00:24:10.840 which is what is so fascinating

00:24:12.480 about serial killers in general.

00:24:14.940 This guy was a true blue psychopath.

00:24:17.560 And I talk about this in the book,

00:24:18.980 but one of the fascinating things, Megan,

00:24:20.720 about serial killers

00:24:21.560 that a lot of people don't understand is,

00:24:24.240 and I certainly didn't when I rotated into Homicide,

00:24:26.620 I thought they were all like Buffalo Bill,

00:24:28.580 you know, like the guy from The Silence of the Lambs,

00:24:30.360 where they're kind of a weird outcast

00:24:32.440 driving a van and living in a creepy house.

00:24:34.740 The truth is, they're a lot more like what we just saw.

00:24:39.200 They're charming, they're handsome.

00:24:40.820 Rodney Alcala had a genius level,

00:24:43.060 documented Mensa IQ.

00:24:45.940 This guy was, he had a house with people who loved him.

00:24:49.500 He grew up with, he never suffered any sort of abuse.

00:24:52.420 He was a varsity letterman

00:24:54.020 on his high school cross country team.

00:24:56.180 And he was an absolute monster.

00:24:58.700 And a lot of serial killers will target sex workers.

00:25:02.140 You know, I think because of the nature of the profession,

00:25:04.620 it's, you know, it's anonymous

00:25:05.660 and they'll go into dark alleys

00:25:07.040 and they really put themselves in a position to vulnerability

00:25:10.080 because the profession, which is tragic.

00:25:13.600 But Rodney Alcala wasn't, he wasn't doing that.

00:25:16.160 He's following women home from bars.

00:25:18.120 So his victims included a pediatric cancer nurse,

00:25:21.320 a computer programmer, a legal secretary,

00:25:24.160 all of these women, they're the same people

00:25:26.320 that we know and love in our own personal lives.

00:25:28.660 And he never should have had the opportunity to do that.

00:25:31.260 It's probably, in my mind,

00:25:32.500 it has to be one of the single biggest failures

00:25:34.240 for the California Board of Prison terms.

00:25:36.660 And we're tracking hard in that direction again

00:25:40.080 in the state of California.

00:25:41.300 And people really need to be aware of that.

00:25:43.640 Right, releasing prisoners early is all the rage now,

00:25:46.760 but it is disturbing.

00:25:47.520 Yeah, what could go wrong?

00:25:48.360 Because we really want to find like,

00:25:50.800 oh, he was abused or, oh, you know,

00:25:52.940 something tragic happened to him.

00:25:53.900 He had some mental break.

00:25:54.860 And therefore, I don't need to worry

00:25:56.480 about the people in my life

00:25:57.480 because none of them has that profile.

00:25:59.700 But you're saying you never found the thing,

00:26:02.880 like the snapped moment.

00:26:04.240 This is just a sociopath.

00:26:06.140 I don't know, a psychopath, maybe, whatever, from birth.

00:26:11.420 It's the guy standing in front of you

00:26:13.320 in line at Starbucks and you'd never know.

00:26:15.500 That's what real serial killers are.

00:26:18.460 Like another fascinating one is this,

00:26:20.520 and he's accused, he's presumed innocent,

00:26:22.180 just like everybody else we talked about today, I guess.

00:26:23.860 But Rex Hewerman, the accused Gilgo Beach killer,

00:26:28.740 this guy ran an architect firm in Midtown Manhattan,

00:26:31.240 not far from where I am right now.

00:26:32.960 And that's, he had a family.

00:26:35.120 They often have successful relationships.

00:26:37.500 They have jobs, they're employed.

00:26:39.520 And a lot of them, like Ted Bundy or Rodney Alcala,

00:26:42.440 are handsome and charming and have big, giant IQs.

00:26:49.840 So it is really fascinating when you get down

00:26:54.840 into the nitty gritty of those things.

00:26:56.380 And another fascinating thing about serial killers,

00:26:58.380 they all want to represent themselves.

00:27:00.000 And Rodney Alcala represented himself in trial.

00:27:02.520 He did, against you.

00:27:03.640 Against me and my co-counsel, Gina Satriano

00:27:07.240 from the Los Angeles DA's office, who I love to death.

00:27:09.920 And we co-tried that, the LA and Orange County cases.

00:27:13.440 And we'd have to go in and deal with them face-to-face.

00:27:16.300 And I'll tell you what, it was absolutely fascinating.

00:27:19.600 Because you hear about that and it's like,

00:27:21.400 who would get into a guy's car like that?

00:27:23.100 And then you meet them and you see the charm

00:27:25.740 and you see the intelligence and the humor.

00:27:27.960 And you can really get a sense of how manipulative they can be.

00:27:33.400 And I dealt with them face-to-face for six months,

00:27:36.280 probably, during the course of that trial.

00:27:38.040 And it was fascinating.

00:27:39.160 And it ultimately brought justice to all those families

00:27:41.340 that have been waiting for it for so long.

00:27:42.840 You spoke about how he thought, right up until your closing argument,

00:27:46.820 which gave it to him, both barrels, that you liked him.

00:27:52.100 So we had to figure out a way.

00:27:54.120 Once he went, it's called pro-per.

00:27:55.620 Once he went pro-per and he fired his lawyers,

00:27:59.140 you know, there are so many technical elements

00:28:01.460 to a capital case trial that you basically,

00:28:05.920 I mean, it's really, there's two parts to it.

00:28:07.660 Number one, your obligation is you have to treat them fairly.

00:28:11.080 And you have to ensure that their due process rights

00:28:13.480 are scrupulously followed because you want to do that,

00:28:16.340 especially when you're talking about the death penalty.

00:28:18.040 Like the foremost job of a prosecutor is to be fair,

00:28:21.380 even when you're dealing with a monster.

00:28:23.260 But the second part of that is we had to move the trial along

00:28:26.100 and they can gum up the gears so much.

00:28:28.660 So when you went pro-per, Gina, you know, was like,

00:28:32.100 what do we do now?

00:28:32.980 I don't want to talk to this guy.

00:28:34.800 And we basically decided that I would be,

00:28:37.620 I would be the good guy.

00:28:38.500 And every time we had to tell him no, which was all the time,

00:28:41.960 I would just, I just blamed Gina.

00:28:44.100 And, you know, so he would ask for 10 crazy things a day

00:28:47.660 and he'd be like, hey, Rod, sorry, man.

00:28:49.380 I don't know.

00:28:50.060 I would want it too, if I were you.

00:28:51.540 I don't know what her problem is today.

00:28:52.800 She said, no, buddy, that's it.

00:28:54.720 And that's how we've moved the trial along.

00:28:57.240 And, you know, you've got jurors,

00:28:58.920 you've got family members,

00:29:00.020 you have to have some level of efficiency.

00:29:02.960 And that's how we did it.

00:29:04.000 And it was, so it was my job basically to, you know,

00:29:08.540 to talk to him and, you know,

00:29:10.540 to help him put on his trial and to kind of, you know,

00:29:13.780 help him attach exhibits, to attach evidence markers.

00:29:18.940 And, you know, I basically, I mean,

00:29:22.580 you're almost strangely an assistant

00:29:26.160 in helping them present their case

00:29:28.080 to ensure that their constitutional rights are followed.

00:29:30.980 But honestly, I thought it was fascinating.

00:29:33.500 I thought it was.

00:29:34.360 And let me share a quick story with you.

00:29:35.840 He, this is a guy who murdered 100 people

00:29:38.540 and he did it in the most sadistic,

00:29:40.680 horrific ways you can imagine.

00:29:42.100 And we had just sentenced the guy to death row

00:29:44.140 who's a big, scary skinhead.

00:29:46.740 And I didn't know how it worked in California,

00:29:50.540 at San Quentin.

00:29:52.160 And they don't give us any training on that.

00:29:54.200 You know, strangely, we get training in everything,

00:29:56.020 but we don't get training

00:29:57.360 on how San Quentin actually operates.

00:29:59.000 And they have different yards.

00:30:02.080 So there's an additional classification

00:30:03.880 when somebody's sentenced to death

00:30:05.440 and they go to San Quentin,

00:30:07.240 they have different groups of prisoners from,

00:30:10.040 and they classify them from the most dangerous

00:30:11.760 to the least dangerous.

00:30:13.180 And they, so they're divided up

00:30:14.920 into what are called yards.

00:30:16.520 And I asked Rodney one day, I'm like,

00:30:19.580 hey, Rod, what's the deal with guys like Billy Joe

00:30:22.500 that are going up there that,

00:30:24.880 aren't you afraid of him?

00:30:26.060 Are you afraid that guys like that are going to kill you?

00:30:27.960 And he was almost offended.

00:30:29.820 And he turned to me and he said,

00:30:30.840 I'm on the weenie yard,

00:30:32.680 name they gave themselves,

00:30:33.740 for the lightweights that aren't a danger

00:30:35.380 to staff or each other.

00:30:36.920 Like Scott Peterson is on that.

00:30:38.280 I got a few guys that I've sent up

00:30:39.860 that are on the quote unquote weenie yard.

00:30:42.080 And he looked at me and he said,

00:30:43.200 Matt, you know me, I'm not violent.

00:30:46.380 You know, fascinating,

00:30:47.540 like little glimpse into the psyche of this guy.

00:30:49.840 Like I'm not violent.

00:30:50.780 I'm not dangerous to anybody.

00:30:52.140 It's, this is a guy who is smashing people's faces

00:30:54.840 in with rocks and raping them repeatedly.

00:30:56.720 Like this,

00:30:57.680 he's as violent a human being as you get.

00:30:59.420 He's monstrous.

00:31:00.180 But in his own mind,

00:31:01.800 he's not a danger.

00:31:02.820 He's not violent.

00:31:03.680 So it was,

00:31:04.240 it was a fascinating experience.

00:31:05.720 And then, yeah,

00:31:06.800 I got to closing argument

00:31:07.940 and then he realized I wasn't his buddy.

00:31:11.240 And I ripped him as hard

00:31:12.760 as I think I've ever ripped a criminal defendant.

00:31:14.980 Yeah.

00:31:15.260 We actually,

00:31:15.960 we have a little of that.

00:31:17.080 Let's, let's watch.

00:31:18.440 Oh boy.

00:31:19.140 He's got no soul or feelings.

00:31:20.800 When you're talking about a guy like that,

00:31:23.000 who is hunting through Southern California,

00:31:26.420 looking for people to kill

00:31:28.300 because he enjoys it.

00:31:30.580 He gets off on the infliction of other,

00:31:32.640 of pain on other people.

00:31:34.040 He put new carpeting in his car.

00:31:37.460 Who does that?

00:31:40.840 What was that about?

00:31:41.880 That last piece.

00:31:43.560 So when they got to his house

00:31:45.480 and served the search warrant,

00:31:47.260 he had a,

00:31:48.880 it was almost like,

00:31:50.520 it was like a mobile crime scene.

00:31:52.740 He had this new Datsun station wagon

00:31:55.540 and he had just kidnapped

00:31:57.240 and murdered Robin Samso

00:31:58.760 probably two weeks before.

00:32:00.260 And when we got there,

00:32:01.320 all of the firm,

00:32:02.520 all of the,

00:32:03.260 the,

00:32:03.800 the carpeting in the car

00:32:04.940 had been torn out

00:32:06.040 and replaced almost certainly

00:32:07.400 because it was bloody.

00:32:08.400 So there was new,

00:32:09.400 brand new carpeting.

00:32:10.260 There was also binoculars.

00:32:11.620 The windows were heavily tinted

00:32:13.420 before it was fashionable to do that.

00:32:15.220 So it was basically,

00:32:16.780 there were,

00:32:17.060 there were maps,

00:32:17.800 there was everything

00:32:18.640 that you would expect

00:32:19.780 a human predator would have

00:32:21.840 in his vehicle

00:32:22.600 if he was in the business

00:32:23.760 of going out

00:32:24.460 and finding people

00:32:25.760 to get into his car

00:32:26.580 so he could rape and murder them.

00:32:27.940 It was absolutely fascinating.

00:32:29.760 And then,

00:32:29.940 and then they also,

00:32:31.040 they found a receipt

00:32:32.480 when they did that search warrant

00:32:33.740 to a storage locker,

00:32:35.060 but it wasn't actually listed

00:32:36.840 on the items they could take.

00:32:38.180 So one of these police officers

00:32:39.420 in a very heads up way

00:32:41.520 saw the address

00:32:43.840 of this storage locker receipt

00:32:45.600 and copied it

00:32:46.900 because they couldn't take the document,

00:32:48.580 but it was in plain sight.

00:32:49.660 So he copied it.

00:32:50.580 They transported it,

00:32:51.580 I'll call it a Huntington PD

00:32:52.760 and his sister came down

00:32:54.140 and he,

00:32:55.020 he was caught on tape

00:32:56.200 telling her,

00:32:56.760 hey, you got to get up

00:32:57.520 to my storage locker

00:32:58.360 and empty it.

00:33:00.020 So it was a race

00:33:01.460 and the police got there first

00:33:03.140 and inside his storage locker,

00:33:05.020 they found a silk pouch,

00:33:07.260 which was a trophy case,

00:33:08.700 which had earrings

00:33:09.620 and brooches

00:33:10.280 and items of jewelry

00:33:11.440 from,

00:33:12.640 I mean,

00:33:13.920 probably two dozen different women

00:33:15.900 and every one of them

00:33:17.120 represented

00:33:17.860 some murder victim

00:33:19.780 because a lot of times

00:33:20.960 serial killers

00:33:21.500 will collect trophies

00:33:23.000 of their kills

00:33:23.780 and they,

00:33:24.620 it's,

00:33:24.960 it's almost like

00:33:25.560 they go to school for it.

00:33:26.580 It's a fascinating thing.

00:33:28.280 So,

00:33:28.860 um,

00:33:29.460 there was only one DNA hit

00:33:30.860 and it came back

00:33:31.640 to the legal secretary,

00:33:32.900 Charlotte Lamb,

00:33:33.700 who was brutally murdered

00:33:34.760 in Santa Monica,

00:33:35.720 um,

00:33:36.920 during this spree,

00:33:38.120 not,

00:33:38.680 not long after,

00:33:39.800 um,

00:33:40.420 what we just saw

00:33:41.020 in the data game,

00:33:41.740 but they also found

00:33:43.040 boxes and boxes

00:33:44.240 and boxes

00:33:44.800 of photographs

00:33:46.180 of young boys,

00:33:47.560 young girls,

00:33:48.540 young women

00:33:49.080 in positions

00:33:49.840 of vulnerability

00:33:50.560 and we identified

00:33:52.120 maybe half of those

00:33:53.840 over the course

00:33:54.420 of investigations,

00:33:55.240 hundreds and hundreds

00:33:56.100 of photos

00:33:56.680 of these,

00:33:57.340 of these unknown people,

00:33:58.820 um,

00:33:59.620 taken by Rodney Alcala.

00:34:00.900 He was a graduate

00:34:01.600 of,

00:34:02.120 um,

00:34:02.920 UCLA film schools

00:34:03.940 who,

00:34:04.220 he was a professional

00:34:04.920 photographer

00:34:05.460 and that was part

00:34:07.040 of his ruse.

00:34:07.840 That was the way

00:34:08.320 he would get them in.

00:34:09.400 He would,

00:34:09.900 he would say

00:34:10.360 he was in a photo contest

00:34:11.380 or you're a model.

00:34:12.960 You're so beautiful.

00:34:14.040 Let me take photos.

00:34:14.820 And he would lure them

00:34:15.800 into these positions

00:34:16.680 of vulnerability.

00:34:17.180 And there were just

00:34:18.300 dozens and dozens

00:34:19.240 and dozens of these people

00:34:20.260 and we never learned

00:34:21.080 who they were.

00:34:21.960 And,

00:34:22.440 and some of them,

00:34:23.420 we did connect

00:34:24.580 to murders.

00:34:25.300 The one in Wyoming

00:34:26.100 wound up being,

00:34:27.280 she was,

00:34:27.780 she was in his photos.

00:34:28.560 And then we also found

00:34:29.580 a picture of a girl

00:34:30.460 on roller skates,

00:34:31.440 girl,

00:34:31.660 she was 16

00:34:32.420 named Lori Wirtz.

00:34:34.080 And it came back,

00:34:35.540 she was connected

00:34:36.400 to the day

00:34:37.100 that Robin Samson

00:34:37.960 disappeared.

00:34:39.240 And,

00:34:39.780 you know,

00:34:40.440 every time a case

00:34:41.080 gets reversed,

00:34:41.720 you can't use

00:34:42.720 the evidence

00:34:43.300 that the court

00:34:43.880 found objectionable.

00:34:45.000 So it came back

00:34:46.000 on my desk

00:34:46.640 when I got it

00:34:47.180 for the third retrial,

00:34:48.540 there was a lot

00:34:49.500 of evidence

00:34:49.900 that had been removed

00:34:50.600 by the appellate courts

00:34:51.600 and are,

00:34:52.180 you know,

00:34:52.320 it's proper for them

00:34:53.040 to do that.

00:34:53.900 But,

00:34:54.380 um,

00:34:54.900 we had to,

00:34:55.560 we had to set the timing

00:34:56.440 in this picture

00:34:57.160 of this 16 year old girl

00:34:58.620 in a bikini

00:34:59.260 on roller skates.

00:35:00.200 We found a guy

00:35:01.500 in the Navy

00:35:02.000 that from the posts

00:35:03.620 in the background,

00:35:04.620 like the signposts,

00:35:05.820 the shadows

00:35:06.840 from the signposts,

00:35:08.140 we were able

00:35:08.660 to actually get,

00:35:09.860 it's like a sundial.

00:35:10.880 And this expert

00:35:11.740 was able to give us

00:35:12.460 the exact time

00:35:13.660 that that photo

00:35:14.680 was taken

00:35:15.160 because the signs

00:35:16.120 were still there

00:35:16.920 30 years later.

00:35:18.320 They were still

00:35:18.740 in the same cement

00:35:19.600 and with the Almanac,

00:35:21.020 they were able

00:35:21.360 to tell us

00:35:21.800 the exact time.

00:35:23.420 And from that,

00:35:24.160 we were able

00:35:24.520 to figure out

00:35:25.180 that Alcala

00:35:26.100 was right up

00:35:27.480 Pacific Coast Highway

00:35:28.700 in Huntington Beach

00:35:29.500 right before

00:35:30.380 Robin Samsoe

00:35:31.060 got kidnapped.

00:35:31.980 So I was ready

00:35:32.600 to go before

00:35:33.380 we started getting

00:35:34.020 the DNA hits

00:35:34.720 in LA.

00:35:35.280 But when we got those,

00:35:36.540 it changed

00:35:37.120 the entire complexion

00:35:38.060 of the case.

00:35:39.120 And he was convicted,

00:35:40.200 he was sentenced

00:35:40.660 to death

00:35:40.960 the third time,

00:35:41.700 and he died

00:35:42.160 a lonely death

00:35:42.980 in California prison.

00:35:44.860 Good.

00:35:45.420 He suffered

00:35:46.020 thanks to Matt

00:35:47.380 and his partner.

00:35:49.040 This story

00:35:49.760 is laid out

00:35:50.620 among many others

00:35:51.540 in the book

00:35:52.200 of Murder

00:35:52.820 by Matt Murphy,

00:35:53.620 which you should get

00:35:54.200 right now.

00:35:54.700 It just hit.

00:35:55.640 I've got to talk

00:35:56.580 to you about

00:35:57.320 Dirty John.

00:35:59.420 That's another one,

00:36:00.920 my fellow

00:36:01.400 true crime readers

00:36:02.540 and watchers.

00:36:03.760 Dirty John,

00:36:04.420 we all know this case,

00:36:05.540 this scumbag

00:36:06.540 who took advantage

00:36:07.800 of all these

00:36:08.380 well-meaning women

00:36:09.180 who thought that

00:36:09.720 they were his only

00:36:10.480 true love

00:36:11.480 and all he was

00:36:13.200 doing was fleecing them

00:36:14.900 and stealing from them

00:36:16.240 and using them

00:36:17.260 and then ultimately

00:36:18.760 he was doing that

00:36:20.720 to one woman

00:36:21.880 who had two daughters

00:36:23.520 and one daughter

00:36:25.260 actively disliked him

00:36:26.780 and really wanted

00:36:27.840 nothing to do with him

00:36:28.540 and tried to persuade

00:36:29.260 the mom to Debbie

00:36:30.380 to get him

00:36:31.500 out of her life.

00:36:32.900 And the other daughter

00:36:33.760 was nicer

00:36:34.640 and tried to kind of

00:36:36.360 go along to get along

00:36:37.360 but wasn't a fan

00:36:38.360 but kind of like

00:36:39.120 just the peacemaker

00:36:39.920 of the family

00:36:40.520 her name was Tara

00:36:41.900 and it culminated

00:36:43.880 as we've seen

00:36:45.560 in the TV special

00:36:46.680 there was so many

00:36:47.320 movies made about

00:36:47.920 this case

00:36:48.480 in this guy

00:36:50.380 ultimately

00:36:50.960 attacking Tara

00:36:52.640 once Debbie got

00:36:53.700 smart

00:36:54.500 and kicked him

00:36:55.200 out of her life

00:36:55.840 in a parking lot

00:36:57.680 and I'll tell you

00:37:00.880 this chapter

00:37:01.320 and then I'll let you

00:37:01.700 take it

00:37:02.040 Tara,

00:37:03.260 the nice one

00:37:04.080 the quiet one

00:37:05.220 the sweet one

00:37:06.360 unleashed

00:37:07.620 hell on this guy

00:37:09.000 they say

00:37:09.740 be a difficult

00:37:10.380 victim

00:37:10.780 and it did not

00:37:13.180 go dirty

00:37:13.600 John's way

00:37:14.240 she came on my

00:37:15.180 show at NBC News

00:37:16.400 and here's a clip

00:37:17.600 of her telling

00:37:18.260 the story

00:37:18.760 first of all

00:37:20.360 have you

00:37:20.620 had you ever

00:37:20.980 taken self-defense

00:37:21.800 or anything like that

00:37:22.540 no

00:37:23.340 so you were going

00:37:24.520 all on instinct

00:37:25.220 well I watch a lot

00:37:26.520 of like criminal

00:37:27.400 mind shows

00:37:28.620 the walking dead

00:37:30.100 unbelievable

00:37:32.300 right

00:37:33.920 we all think

00:37:35.720 that will help us

00:37:36.540 but in the back

00:37:37.060 of our minds

00:37:37.480 we tell ourselves

00:37:37.960 probably not

00:37:38.580 so scissor kicks

00:37:40.720 and all that

00:37:41.260 you like pedal

00:37:41.960 kicks

00:37:42.180 that was all

00:37:42.800 just instinct

00:37:43.440 and criminal

00:37:43.800 minds

00:37:44.020 okay

00:37:44.280 so

00:37:44.920 walking dead

00:37:46.260 well walking dead

00:37:47.300 I watched that

00:37:48.340 religiously

00:37:49.120 so walking dead

00:37:50.080 turned out to be

00:37:50.940 critical towards

00:37:52.020 saving Tara's life

00:37:53.480 tell us how

00:37:54.360 and why

00:37:54.760 well when I got

00:37:57.360 the knife from him

00:37:58.500 I just like

00:38:00.060 stabbed him

00:38:01.140 I didn't give it

00:38:01.880 a second thought

00:38:02.760 I just thought

00:38:03.560 it's like

00:38:04.240 like it's him

00:38:05.860 or me

00:38:06.380 and then also

00:38:08.400 the last one

00:38:09.160 was to the head

00:38:09.980 and I think

00:38:10.540 that's like

00:38:11.040 out of the zombie

00:38:11.700 kill

00:38:12.140 it's amazing

00:38:15.060 how can

00:38:15.560 how can you

00:38:16.160 talk about it

00:38:16.660 so matter of factly

00:38:17.560 lots of therapy

00:38:18.980 there you go

00:38:19.800 unbelievable Matt

00:38:23.220 you prosecuted

00:38:24.260 that case

00:38:25.060 you handled

00:38:25.560 that case

00:38:26.220 but boy oh boy

00:38:27.440 Tara put an end

00:38:28.240 to that guy

00:38:28.740 yeah

00:38:29.960 isn't that incredible

00:38:30.820 you know

00:38:31.820 that was

00:38:32.540 I had a couple years

00:38:33.980 left in homicide

00:38:34.720 when that whole thing

00:38:35.500 went down

00:38:35.940 so that was a homicide

00:38:36.800 that took place

00:38:37.420 in Newport Beach

00:38:38.140 and the way

00:38:39.380 Orange County

00:38:39.900 was set up

00:38:40.540 is it's called

00:38:41.580 vertical prosecution

00:38:42.480 so you

00:38:43.080 when you rotate

00:38:43.900 into sexual assault

00:38:44.960 and then for me

00:38:45.600 then homicide

00:38:46.220 you get assigned

00:38:47.640 a certain patch

00:38:48.380 so Newport

00:38:49.140 was one of my cities

00:38:50.000 so every murder

00:38:51.380 or every homicide

00:38:52.200 that happened

00:38:52.740 was essentially

00:38:53.640 my responsibility

00:38:54.500 to ensure

00:38:55.100 the investigation

00:38:55.940 was complete

00:38:56.960 and I would review

00:38:58.120 it for the filing

00:38:58.920 of potential criminal charges

00:39:00.120 so we would roll out

00:39:01.720 to these crime scenes

00:39:02.720 at the very beginning

00:39:03.680 my investigator and I

00:39:04.760 and you work

00:39:05.140 with the same detectives

00:39:06.060 over and over again

00:39:06.780 and it really is

00:39:07.740 I think a secure model

00:39:08.980 for homicide prosecutors

00:39:10.940 and detectives

00:39:11.860 so that was in Newport

00:39:13.720 that was one of mine

00:39:14.780 and I got the call

00:39:15.560 from the detectives

00:39:16.300 on that

00:39:16.700 and you know

00:39:17.620 the fundamental job

00:39:18.900 of a prosecutor

00:39:19.580 is to achieve justice

00:39:21.600 it's not to get convictions

00:39:23.180 it's to achieve justice

00:39:24.460 and sometimes

00:39:25.560 that means your job

00:39:27.680 is to clear somebody

00:39:28.920 of any and all

00:39:30.080 legal culpability

00:39:31.140 for an event

00:39:32.100 and that one was

00:39:33.020 one that quickly

00:39:34.620 I mean you see

00:39:35.840 Tara is just

00:39:37.200 a lovely human being

00:39:38.440 she's since become

00:39:39.360 a friend of mine

00:39:40.100 I mean

00:39:40.480 and so my job

00:39:42.040 basically was to make sure

00:39:43.240 that that

00:39:43.820 that she was cleared

00:39:45.400 of all

00:39:46.100 of all criminal

00:39:47.940 responsibility for that

00:39:49.000 because this guy

00:39:49.900 was trying to kill her

00:39:50.880 and inside his car

00:39:52.200 we found

00:39:53.360 that there was a

00:39:54.860 it was basically

00:39:55.640 a catch and kill kit

00:39:56.900 there was

00:39:57.340 there was duct tape

00:39:58.440 there was a loaded firearm

00:40:00.020 there was handcuffs

00:40:02.380 he was going to kill her

00:40:04.020 and

00:40:04.340 and after 17 years

00:40:05.780 in homicide

00:40:06.320 I can tell you

00:40:07.180 that story

00:40:08.360 ends one way

00:40:09.700 over and over again

00:40:10.740 and it ends up

00:40:11.480 with the poor young woman

00:40:12.860 in a ditch

00:40:13.640 or down the side

00:40:15.040 of some hillside

00:40:15.960 and that's how

00:40:17.380 that story ends

00:40:18.240 and she's coming home

00:40:19.660 with her dog

00:40:20.300 she had an Australian

00:40:21.660 shepherd named Cash

00:40:22.780 and John Meehan

00:40:24.960 who I think weighed

00:40:25.500 245 pounds

00:40:26.840 and it was athletic size

00:40:28.380 too

00:40:28.580 this is a big

00:40:29.580 athletic guy

00:40:30.900 who was going to

00:40:31.640 murder her

00:40:32.300 it's called

00:40:33.160 filicide

00:40:33.760 he was going to

00:40:34.320 murder her

00:40:34.940 to get revenge

00:40:36.280 against her mom

00:40:37.380 for divorcing him

00:40:38.420 and the dog

00:40:40.080 bit him

00:40:40.540 and the fight

00:40:41.280 was on

00:40:41.940 and it was

00:40:43.060 there was a picture

00:40:44.020 taken

00:40:44.460 of Tara

00:40:46.520 in the hospital bed

00:40:47.400 because she was stabbed

00:40:48.240 multiple times as well

00:40:49.440 with that dog

00:40:51.260 on her lap

00:40:52.180 like she's on the bed

00:40:53.280 and the dog

00:40:53.720 is sort of

00:40:54.480 on the foot

00:40:55.320 of the bed

00:40:55.840 eyeing the photographer

00:40:57.600 in the suspicious way

00:40:58.720 like I will bite you

00:40:59.920 too if you come

00:41:00.780 near my mom

00:41:01.380 and yeah

00:41:02.700 just it was a hero dog

00:41:04.140 and a hero would-be

00:41:05.260 victim who refused

00:41:06.220 to be a victim

00:41:06.880 and that was one

00:41:08.380 that you know

00:41:09.600 it started with

00:41:10.580 online dating

00:41:11.380 and I have a whole

00:41:12.520 section in that chapter

00:41:13.680 on some of the things

00:41:14.920 I learned about

00:41:15.840 online dating

00:41:17.320 gone wrong

00:41:17.940 and a lot of

00:41:18.820 I mean tragically

00:41:19.880 a lot of the

00:41:20.880 the murder cases

00:41:21.680 you deal with

00:41:22.280 in homicide

00:41:22.760 start out

00:41:24.120 where people

00:41:24.700 meet each other

00:41:25.360 online

00:41:26.000 and what are

00:41:26.920 some of the red flags

00:41:27.960 especially

00:41:28.480 in that case

00:41:29.720 that guy was

00:41:30.460 so bad

00:41:31.780 and he

00:41:32.220 but he

00:41:32.560 he held himself

00:41:33.560 out as a

00:41:34.600 as an anesthesiologist

00:41:36.600 and I'll tell you

00:41:37.840 what for anybody

00:41:38.320 who yeah

00:41:39.300 for anybody

00:41:39.740 who hasn't seen it

00:41:40.580 they're

00:41:40.880 Connie Britton

00:41:41.720 and Eric Banna

00:41:42.660 I think it's

00:41:43.640 lifetime

00:41:44.020 they put together

00:41:44.980 a series

00:41:45.440 Eric Banna

00:41:46.700 is absolutely

00:41:47.880 brilliant

00:41:48.340 and for that

00:41:48.920 I think there's

00:41:49.840 when that case

00:41:50.700 went down

00:41:51.120 I

00:41:51.340 it was too good

00:41:52.160 a story

00:41:52.460 not to share

00:41:53.000 so once we

00:41:53.740 cleared it

00:41:54.400 I called my

00:41:55.560 friend Chris

00:41:56.000 Godford

00:41:56.380 at the LA Times

00:41:57.280 and

00:41:57.960 and I'm like

00:41:59.420 dude you gotta

00:41:59.920 you gotta share

00:42:00.660 this with the world

00:42:01.380 I thought he'd

00:42:02.120 write an article

00:42:02.580 about it

00:42:03.000 when I put

00:42:03.760 together

00:42:04.040 Dirty John

00:42:04.780 and I think

00:42:05.780 it's got

00:42:06.040 30 million

00:42:06.620 downloads

00:42:07.280 I had all

00:42:08.460 the sliders

00:42:09.000 I could eat

00:42:09.480 there's a

00:42:09.920 there's so many

00:42:11.220 podcasts about it

00:42:12.020 a series

00:42:12.580 podcast series

00:42:13.260 about it

00:42:13.700 it's a fascinating

00:42:14.760 case

00:42:15.180 and the book

00:42:16.400 The Book of Murder

00:42:17.440 by Matt Murphy

00:42:18.140 has got some

00:42:19.340 life-saving tips

00:42:20.280 in there

00:42:20.700 from a guy

00:42:21.280 who's been

00:42:21.840 on the good

00:42:22.440 end of dealing

00:42:23.500 with criminality

00:42:24.300 for his whole life

00:42:25.640 so you

00:42:26.180 you know

00:42:26.580 there are many

00:42:27.220 of us

00:42:27.500 who are into

00:42:27.880 true crime

00:42:28.360 I think

00:42:28.780 because we

00:42:29.160 have issues

00:42:29.560 we were scared

00:42:30.120 we grew up

00:42:30.480 in the 70s

00:42:31.020 whatever

00:42:31.240 there was a lot

00:42:31.800 of murder

00:42:32.100 everywhere

00:42:32.500 we're trying

00:42:32.860 to work

00:42:33.080 something out

00:42:33.580 but

00:42:35.060 so it's

00:42:35.900 an interesting

00:42:36.400 read

00:42:36.760 you find

00:42:37.220 out a lot

00:42:37.580 about human

00:42:37.980 nature

00:42:38.240 but you can

00:42:38.560 also learn

00:42:39.060 some tips

00:42:39.440 that might

00:42:39.840 save you

00:42:40.340 and be a

00:42:41.140 difficult

00:42:41.500 victim

00:42:42.100 is one

00:42:42.580 of them

00:42:42.800 so in

00:42:43.400 these two

00:42:43.700 cases that

00:42:44.160 we've talked

00:42:44.580 about

00:42:44.780 in addition

00:42:45.220 if you want

00:42:46.800 to hear

00:42:46.960 the Ed

00:42:47.280 Shin

00:42:47.500 story

00:42:49.120 you got

00:42:49.560 to go back

00:42:49.860 to our

00:42:50.200 fraud week

00:42:50.920 episode

00:42:51.340 from June

00:42:52.100 but in

00:42:53.180 the two

00:42:53.440 we just

00:42:53.720 discussed

00:42:54.140 there's

00:42:54.540 one element

00:42:56.060 of the

00:42:56.420 crime solving

00:42:57.080 that was

00:42:57.820 important

00:42:58.180 and that

00:42:58.540 is the

00:42:58.800 guy's

00:42:59.100 car

00:42:59.520 what's

00:43:00.620 what was

00:43:01.080 in

00:43:01.460 the car

00:43:02.180 how did

00:43:03.200 he lure

00:43:03.560 people

00:43:03.940 along

00:43:04.340 how did

00:43:04.740 he use

00:43:05.040 his vehicle

00:43:05.500 and that

00:43:06.180 is also

00:43:06.500 the case

00:43:06.960 with Brian

00:43:07.820 Kohlberger

00:43:08.280 the guy

00:43:09.080 accused of

00:43:09.580 murdering

00:43:09.920 these four

00:43:10.320 Idaho

00:43:10.660 students

00:43:11.200 and he

00:43:13.420 was amazingly

00:43:14.600 allowed to

00:43:15.160 clean the car

00:43:15.760 while the feds

00:43:16.300 were allegedly

00:43:16.740 watching him

00:43:17.980 I don't know

00:43:19.560 whether they

00:43:19.960 went and

00:43:20.320 retrieved

00:43:20.780 whatever he

00:43:21.240 cleaned

00:43:21.620 out of

00:43:22.380 the car

00:43:22.780 from the

00:43:23.440 trash can

00:43:24.040 that's never

00:43:24.620 been admitted

00:43:25.500 if they

00:43:25.900 did

00:43:26.200 and he

00:43:27.480 just got

00:43:28.360 a change

00:43:28.840 of venue

00:43:29.320 Matt

00:43:29.700 from

00:43:30.680 Moscow

00:43:31.820 Idaho

00:43:32.740 to Boise

00:43:34.320 I think

00:43:35.020 maybe Boise

00:43:35.900 it looks like

00:43:36.860 there's an

00:43:37.740 administrative

00:43:38.240 judge

00:43:38.920 at a higher

00:43:39.540 court

00:43:39.880 who's now

00:43:40.320 going to

00:43:40.720 decide

00:43:41.180 exactly

00:43:41.760 where this

00:43:42.180 case should

00:43:42.560 land

00:43:42.960 and it

00:43:43.900 looks like

00:43:44.380 Judge Judge

00:43:45.180 the guy

00:43:45.820 who

00:43:46.060 that's his

00:43:46.520 actual name

00:43:47.020 who was

00:43:48.040 overseeing

00:43:48.500 this

00:43:48.720 is asking

00:43:49.400 for this

00:43:50.000 baton

00:43:50.400 to be

00:43:50.680 passed

00:43:51.040 he doesn't

00:43:51.380 want to

00:43:51.620 have to

00:43:51.860 travel

00:43:52.180 and try

00:43:53.040 it

00:43:53.160 someplace

00:43:53.440 else

00:43:53.900 the defense

00:43:55.100 sees this

00:43:56.180 as a

00:43:56.700 victory

00:43:57.080 on at

00:43:58.000 least two

00:43:58.380 fronts

00:43:58.760 number one

00:43:59.300 they don't

00:43:59.680 want the

00:43:59.980 case tried

00:44:00.480 in the

00:44:01.320 college town

00:44:02.000 in which

00:44:02.340 the murders

00:44:02.740 were committed

00:44:03.260 and number

00:44:04.100 two

00:44:04.540 they've been

00:44:05.780 jumping up

00:44:06.480 and down

00:44:06.980 about genetic

00:44:08.040 genealogy

00:44:09.080 and they

00:44:10.420 appear to

00:44:11.060 have some

00:44:11.660 suspicion

00:44:12.220 that the

00:44:13.320 feds

00:44:13.700 crossed

00:44:14.200 some

00:44:14.720 unlawful

00:44:15.700 lines

00:44:16.320 in

00:44:17.580 tracking

00:44:18.780 down

00:44:19.320 his name

00:44:20.040 that they

00:44:20.980 had

00:44:21.300 genetic

00:44:21.720 DNA

00:44:22.220 they

00:44:22.760 had

00:44:23.120 that they

00:44:23.960 had

00:44:24.280 touch

00:44:26.060 DNA

00:44:26.440 on the

00:44:27.820 knife

00:44:28.100 sheath

00:44:28.560 and that

00:44:29.580 they were

00:44:29.900 able to

00:44:30.380 trace

00:44:30.680 that

00:44:31.060 to

00:44:31.540 his

00:44:32.400 dad

00:44:32.900 in the

00:44:33.560 Poconos

00:44:33.920 and once

00:44:34.260 you had

00:44:34.500 his dad

00:44:34.960 you were

00:44:35.540 very close

00:44:36.200 to having

00:44:36.520 him

00:44:36.840 and the

00:44:38.500 belief

00:44:39.420 may be

00:44:40.180 that the

00:44:41.140 feds

00:44:41.580 somehow

00:44:42.000 got to

00:44:43.000 that name

00:44:43.840 got from

00:44:45.140 the

00:44:45.380 touch

00:44:46.160 DNA

00:44:46.480 to the

00:44:47.200 name

00:44:47.340 of the

00:44:47.520 father

00:44:47.840 by doing

00:44:48.880 something

00:44:49.260 they

00:44:49.500 shouldn't

00:44:49.880 have

00:44:50.260 and if

00:44:51.560 that's

00:44:51.980 true

00:44:52.440 the defense

00:44:53.060 believes

00:44:53.520 it might

00:44:53.920 have

00:44:54.100 grounds

00:44:54.500 to blow

00:44:55.140 up

00:44:55.420 this

00:44:55.860 entire

00:44:56.460 case

00:44:57.020 because

00:44:57.700 everything

00:44:58.200 thereafter

00:44:58.660 the cheek

00:44:59.140 swab

00:44:59.440 that actually

00:44:59.880 did show

00:45:00.420 was Brian's

00:45:01.080 DNA

00:45:01.360 is fruit

00:45:02.480 of the

00:45:02.660 poisonous

00:45:02.960 tree

00:45:03.280 as we

00:45:03.660 learned

00:45:03.840 about

00:45:04.060 in law

00:45:04.340 school

00:45:04.500 and you

00:45:04.760 probably

00:45:05.220 used that

00:45:05.660 phrase

00:45:06.200 a lot

00:45:06.520 or had

00:45:06.980 it used

00:45:07.220 against

00:45:07.480 you

00:45:07.660 so what

00:45:08.700 do you

00:45:08.860 make

00:45:09.020 of these

00:45:09.260 latest

00:45:09.460 developments

00:45:09.880 in

00:45:10.080 Kohlberger

00:45:10.400 so as

00:45:12.520 far as

00:45:12.920 the

00:45:13.080 change

00:45:13.420 of

00:45:13.520 venue

00:45:13.720 goes

00:45:14.080 this

00:45:14.440 is

00:45:14.640 capital

00:45:15.000 case

00:45:15.280 litigation

00:45:15.720 for

00:45:16.220 the

00:45:16.400 Ninth

00:45:16.680 Circuit

00:45:17.020 so this

00:45:17.660 is

00:45:17.800 the

00:45:17.940 Ninth

00:45:18.140 Circuit

00:45:18.340 Court

00:45:18.600 of

00:45:18.720 Appeal

00:45:19.040 and

00:45:19.940 it

00:45:20.220 you

00:45:20.660 know

00:45:20.760 any

00:45:21.040 death

00:45:21.280 penalty

00:45:21.520 case

00:45:21.980 and

00:45:22.320 they

00:45:22.700 should

00:45:23.020 they

00:45:23.840 undergo

00:45:24.920 the

00:45:25.200 highest

00:45:25.560 level

00:45:25.880 of

00:45:26.040 impel

00:45:26.280 scrutiny

00:45:26.700 so when

00:45:27.700 you have

00:45:28.080 a small

00:45:28.500 town

00:45:28.800 like this

00:45:29.240 the

00:45:29.380 defense's

00:45:29.840 argument

00:45:30.100 was can

00:45:30.560 we really

00:45:30.840 get a

00:45:31.080 fair

00:45:31.220 trial

00:45:31.540 here

00:45:31.760 it

00:45:32.360 is

00:45:32.520 very

00:45:32.880 rare

00:45:33.280 that

00:45:33.660 you

00:45:33.820 see

00:45:34.180 a

00:45:34.460 change

00:45:34.700 of

00:45:34.820 venue

00:45:34.980 based

00:45:35.280 on

00:45:35.460 pretrial

00:45:35.900 publicity

00:45:36.380 because

00:45:36.800 you

00:45:37.000 can

00:45:37.140 almost

00:45:37.620 always

00:45:38.060 find

00:45:38.420 called

00:45:39.060 a

00:45:39.180 venire

00:45:39.540 that's

00:45:40.060 a

00:45:40.220 jury

00:45:40.460 pool

00:45:40.820 where

00:45:41.080 you

00:45:41.220 can

00:45:41.380 find

00:45:41.660 12

00:45:42.140 fair

00:45:42.680 deliberating

00:45:43.300 jurors

00:45:43.700 and I

00:45:44.240 think

00:45:44.360 they

00:45:44.500 probably

00:45:44.940 could

00:45:45.240 have

00:45:45.360 done

00:45:45.520 that

00:45:45.700 in

00:45:45.820 the

00:45:45.920 Moscow

00:45:46.180 area

00:45:46.520 as

00:45:46.780 well

00:45:47.000 but

00:45:47.400 this

00:45:48.000 is

00:45:48.180 sort

00:45:48.380 of

00:45:48.480 an

00:45:48.560 abundance

00:45:48.920 of

00:45:49.120 caution

00:45:49.500 where

00:45:50.080 they

00:45:50.500 don't

00:45:50.960 want

00:45:51.200 this

00:45:51.380 to be

00:45:51.600 an

00:45:51.700 appellate

00:45:52.080 issue

00:45:52.420 and

00:45:53.320 I

00:45:53.580 think

00:45:53.920 that

00:45:54.260 for

00:45:55.260 death

00:45:55.540 penalty

00:45:55.780 cases

00:45:56.160 in

00:45:56.440 general

00:45:56.820 in

00:45:57.040 the

00:45:57.140 western

00:45:57.340 United

00:45:57.620 States

00:45:58.000 it

00:45:58.300 is

00:45:58.560 it's

00:45:58.880 a

00:45:59.000 bifurcated

00:45:59.560 system

00:46:00.060 okay

00:46:00.400 so

00:46:00.620 there's

00:46:00.940 a

00:46:01.700 guilt

00:46:01.940 phase

00:46:02.340 and

00:46:02.820 then

00:46:02.940 there's

00:46:03.120 a

00:46:03.240 penalty

00:46:03.500 phase

00:46:03.860 with

00:46:04.080 the

00:46:04.260 same

00:46:04.540 jury

00:46:04.900 and

00:46:05.640 essentially

00:46:06.180 what

00:46:06.540 the

00:46:06.720 judge's

00:46:07.200 job

00:46:07.560 is

00:46:07.720 to

00:46:07.840 make

00:46:08.000 sure

00:46:08.200 that

00:46:08.440 the

00:46:08.780 defendant

00:46:09.120 gets

00:46:09.380 a

00:46:09.520 fair

00:46:09.680 trial

00:46:10.060 but

00:46:10.660 really

00:46:18.380 example

00:46:18.760 that

00:46:19.000 because

00:46:19.240 that

00:46:19.420 poor

00:46:19.640 family

00:46:20.040 had

00:46:20.240 to

00:46:20.340 go

00:46:20.460 through

00:46:20.620 that

00:46:20.840 three

00:46:21.400 times

00:46:21.920 and

00:46:22.140 it

00:46:22.280 destroyed

00:46:22.740 them

00:46:23.000 so

00:46:23.480 what

00:46:23.660 the

00:46:23.820 judge

00:46:24.100 is

00:46:24.280 thinking

00:46:24.660 kind

00:46:24.920 of

00:46:25.000 behind

00:46:25.220 the

00:46:25.400 scenes

00:46:25.620 is

00:46:25.800 he

00:46:25.960 doesn't

00:46:26.240 want

00:46:26.440 that

00:46:26.620 case

00:46:26.880 to

00:46:27.000 get

00:46:27.120 reversed

00:46:27.560 so

00:46:28.100 when

00:46:28.200 the

00:46:28.260 defense

00:46:28.580 has

00:46:28.820 an

00:46:29.360 argument

00:46:29.840 that

00:46:30.100 hey

00:46:30.240 maybe

00:46:30.480 we

00:46:30.660 should

00:46:30.840 move

00:46:31.040 this

00:46:31.300 that

00:46:31.920 was

00:46:32.080 a

00:46:32.260 very

00:46:32.620 conservative

00:46:33.240 careful

00:46:34.160 decision

00:46:35.120 that

00:46:35.840 I

00:46:36.500 think

00:46:36.740 at the

00:46:36.960 end

00:46:37.040 of

00:46:37.140 the

00:46:37.220 day

00:46:37.340 is

00:46:37.460 not

00:46:37.760 going

00:46:37.860 to

00:46:37.940 have

00:46:38.180 a

00:46:38.280 negative

00:46:38.500 impact

00:46:38.900 for

00:46:39.080 the

00:46:39.220 prosecution

00:46:39.680 at

00:46:40.060 all

00:46:40.300 and

00:46:40.540 I

00:46:40.640 think

00:46:40.800 it

00:46:40.900 will

00:46:41.020 have

00:46:41.220 a

00:46:41.440 really

00:46:41.800 positive

00:46:42.460 effect

00:46:42.920 for

00:46:43.540 this

00:46:43.720 case

00:46:43.960 on

00:46:44.120 appeal

00:46:44.460 as

00:46:45.240 far

00:46:45.480 as

00:46:45.600 that

00:46:45.740 DNA

00:46:46.100 argument

00:46:47.060 goes

00:46:47.540 I

00:46:47.800 think

00:46:47.980 that's

00:46:48.220 a

00:46:48.360 loser

00:46:48.600 for

00:46:48.880 the

00:46:48.980 defense

00:46:49.400 this

00:46:49.740 is

00:46:49.900 something

00:46:50.140 that's

00:46:50.360 been

00:46:50.500 argued

00:46:50.800 over

00:46:51.040 and

00:46:51.140 over

00:46:51.280 again

00:46:51.540 you

00:46:51.680 talk

00:46:51.920 about

00:46:52.140 familial

00:46:52.720 DNA

00:46:53.100 there

00:46:53.880 were

00:46:54.060 other

00:46:54.400 things

00:46:54.980 that

00:46:55.420 essentially

00:46:56.500 brought

00:46:57.060 the

00:46:57.500 focus

00:46:59.620 of

00:46:59.880 suspicion

00:47:00.400 on

00:47:00.820 Sue

00:47:01.060 Koberger

00:47:01.560 you

00:47:02.120 know

00:47:02.220 there's

00:47:02.480 video

00:47:02.780 of his

00:47:03.120 car

00:47:03.560 there's

00:47:03.960 cell

00:47:04.200 phone

00:47:04.440 pings

00:47:04.840 there

00:47:05.980 there's

00:47:06.440 plenty

00:47:06.860 of

00:47:07.000 information

00:47:07.460 but

00:47:07.820 as

00:47:08.980 a

00:47:09.180 general

00:47:09.560 rule

00:47:10.140 DNA

00:47:10.680 is

00:47:11.040 not

00:47:11.240 something

00:47:11.580 that

00:47:11.860 you

00:47:12.000 can

00:47:12.180 suppress

00:47:12.580 when

00:47:12.760 it's

00:47:12.940 taken

00:47:13.220 from

00:47:13.680 the

00:47:13.960 defendant

00:47:14.360 okay

00:47:15.060 so

00:47:15.300 if

00:47:15.440 you

00:47:15.560 find

00:47:15.920 if

00:47:16.240 a

00:47:16.580 search

00:47:16.820 warrant

00:47:17.000 is

00:47:17.120 violated

00:47:17.540 you

00:47:17.820 find

00:47:18.220 a

00:47:18.760 murder

00:47:18.980 weapon

00:47:19.300 in

00:47:19.460 somebody's

00:47:19.860 home

00:47:20.040 you

00:47:20.280 can

00:47:20.460 suppress

00:47:20.980 that

00:47:21.400 but

00:47:21.940 this

00:47:22.200 is

00:47:22.400 there's

00:47:22.600 a

00:47:22.680 concept

00:47:22.980 known

00:47:23.220 as

00:47:23.340 inevitable

00:47:23.700 discovery

00:47:24.360 and

00:47:25.000 that

00:47:25.140 exists

00:47:25.400 in

00:47:25.660 state

00:47:25.860 law

00:47:26.060 as

00:47:26.560 federal

00:47:27.120 in

00:47:27.380 my

00:47:27.620 moot

00:47:28.100 court

00:47:28.340 competition

00:47:28.960 back

00:47:29.360 when

00:47:29.480 I

00:47:29.560 was

00:47:29.660 just

00:47:29.860 a

00:47:30.020 law

00:47:30.540 student

00:47:30.920 and

00:47:31.640 we

00:47:31.800 won

00:47:32.140 actually

00:47:33.620 we

00:47:33.780 lost

00:47:34.000 in

00:47:34.100 the

00:47:34.180 finals

00:47:34.380 but

00:47:34.520 I

00:47:34.700 won

00:47:34.860 a

00:47:34.980 special

00:47:35.220 award

00:47:35.480 anyway

00:47:35.920 that

00:47:36.860 was

00:47:37.000 the

00:47:37.100 whole

00:47:37.200 thing

00:47:37.440 inevitable

00:47:37.880 discovery

00:47:38.360 so

00:47:38.560 if

00:47:38.660 they

00:47:38.740 can

00:47:38.860 show

00:47:39.060 they

00:47:39.200 would

00:47:39.340 have

00:47:39.420 found

00:47:39.580 this

00:47:39.740 guy

00:47:39.880 anyway

00:47:40.320 then

00:47:41.240 they

00:47:41.640 can

00:47:41.800 get

00:47:41.940 it

00:47:42.040 in

00:47:42.160 so

00:47:42.680 you're

00:47:42.880 saying

00:47:43.200 even

00:47:43.580 if

00:47:44.040 they

00:47:44.720 detected

00:47:45.240 Brian

00:47:45.600 Kohlberger's

00:47:46.320 dad

00:47:46.780 by

00:47:47.660 doing

00:47:48.000 something

00:47:48.600 untoward

00:47:49.720 by

00:47:50.100 maybe

00:47:50.460 accessing

00:47:51.060 some

00:47:51.380 database

00:47:51.880 they

00:47:52.240 shouldn't

00:47:52.680 have

00:47:52.960 the

00:47:53.120 feds

00:47:53.440 and

00:47:53.580 so

00:47:53.760 on

00:47:53.940 that

00:47:54.660 you

00:47:54.960 still

00:47:55.380 like

00:47:55.620 the

00:47:55.760 prosecution's

00:47:56.540 chances

00:47:56.860 because

00:47:57.300 the

00:47:58.240 they

00:47:58.560 were

00:47:58.720 driving

00:47:59.260 at

00:47:59.560 Brian

00:47:59.860 Kohlberger

00:48:00.440 through

00:48:00.740 more

00:48:01.100 than

00:48:01.360 just

00:48:01.780 the

00:48:02.480 DNA

00:48:02.900 on

00:48:03.340 the

00:48:03.480 knife

00:48:03.740 sheath

00:48:04.120 and

00:48:04.580 he

00:48:05.020 would

00:48:05.300 have

00:48:05.440 been

00:48:05.720 inevitably

00:48:06.360 discovered

00:48:07.360 yes

00:48:08.800 and you

00:48:09.260 and the

00:48:09.640 remedy

00:48:09.920 generally

00:48:10.460 for

00:48:10.740 DNA

00:48:11.120 problems

00:48:11.540 like

00:48:11.720 this

00:48:11.920 is

00:48:12.080 you

00:48:12.160 just

00:48:12.360 retest

00:48:13.020 the

00:48:13.360 suspect

00:48:13.660 you

00:48:14.440 know

00:48:14.520 he

00:48:14.720 can't

00:48:15.260 change

00:48:15.660 his

00:48:15.840 DNA

00:48:16.160 his

00:48:16.360 DNA

00:48:16.560 doesn't

00:48:17.000 change

00:48:17.520 so

00:48:18.320 this

00:48:18.500 is

00:48:18.660 one

00:48:18.840 of

00:48:18.920 those

00:48:19.080 things

00:48:19.340 and

00:48:19.520 this

00:48:20.400 is

00:48:20.580 the

00:48:21.200 cutting

00:48:21.900 edge

00:48:22.220 of

00:48:22.700 DNA

00:48:24.520 forensics

00:48:25.680 basically

00:48:26.040 it's

00:48:26.240 called

00:48:26.420 familial

00:48:27.020 DNA

00:48:27.420 these

00:48:28.100 are

00:48:28.420 the

00:48:28.540 cases

00:48:28.820 that

00:48:29.000 are

00:48:29.060 getting

00:48:29.200 made

00:48:29.420 like

00:48:29.700 one

00:48:30.180 of

00:48:30.340 mine

00:48:30.500 I

00:48:30.620 prosecuted

00:48:31.100 the

00:48:31.240 Golden

00:48:31.400 State

00:48:31.640 Killer

00:48:31.900 I was

00:48:32.180 the

00:48:32.300 Orange

00:48:32.500 County

00:48:32.740 prosecutor

00:48:33.200 one

00:48:33.820 of

00:48:33.960 several

00:48:34.260 prosecutors

00:48:34.740 on

00:48:35.000 that

00:48:35.180 case

00:48:35.480 every

00:48:35.720 case

00:48:36.080 you

00:48:36.260 ever

00:48:36.540 heard

00:48:36.840 of

00:48:37.060 Matt

00:48:37.300 Murphy

00:48:37.600 was

00:48:37.900 the

00:48:38.060 DA

00:48:38.300 that's

00:48:38.900 just

00:48:39.020 the

00:48:39.180 bottom

00:48:39.360 line

00:48:39.640 every

00:48:40.340 yeah

00:48:40.880 keep

00:48:41.160 going

00:48:41.520 the

00:48:41.940 book

00:48:42.140 well

00:48:42.440 you

00:48:48.660 seen

00:48:48.940 Joseph

00:48:49.260 D'Angelo

00:48:49.700 just

00:48:49.960 the

00:48:50.880 man

00:48:51.160 was

00:48:51.340 the

00:48:51.540 devil

00:48:51.860 but

00:48:52.240 that

00:48:53.400 was

00:48:53.540 a

00:48:53.660 case

00:48:53.880 that

00:48:53.980 was

00:48:54.080 made

00:48:54.300 with

00:48:54.660 familial

00:48:55.240 DNA

00:48:55.600 and

00:48:56.340 there

00:48:56.920 are

00:48:57.120 and

00:48:57.300 there's

00:48:57.940 a bunch

00:48:58.220 of

00:48:58.320 others

00:48:58.520 that

00:48:58.640 didn't

00:48:58.800 have

00:48:58.920 a lot

00:48:59.100 of

00:48:59.200 media

00:48:59.440 you

00:48:59.960 know

00:49:00.080 my

00:49:00.280 Neil

00:49:00.480 case

00:49:00.840 out of

00:49:01.120 Newport

00:49:01.460 which

00:49:01.660 was

00:49:01.860 a

00:49:02.240 case

00:49:02.700 from

00:49:02.860 the

00:49:03.000 early

00:49:03.240 70s

00:49:03.780 was

00:49:03.920 a

00:49:04.080 five

00:49:04.320 year old

00:49:04.560 girl

00:49:04.740 was

00:49:04.900 kidnapped

00:49:05.180 and

00:49:05.580 murdered

00:49:06.520 there's

00:49:07.840 a whole

00:49:08.640 rash

00:49:09.240 of these

00:49:09.520 things

00:49:09.840 and

00:49:10.220 they've

00:49:10.560 been

00:49:10.720 challenged

00:49:11.200 and

00:49:11.760 they

00:49:12.060 have

00:49:12.420 repeatedly

00:49:13.740 been

00:49:14.000 shut

00:49:14.280 down

00:49:14.560 by

00:49:14.740 the

00:49:14.880 courts

00:49:15.120 of

00:49:15.240 appeal

00:49:15.520 and

00:49:16.020 so

00:49:16.420 you

00:49:17.080 know

00:49:17.180 the

00:49:17.360 Koberger

00:49:17.880 defense

00:49:18.480 team

00:49:18.840 they're

00:49:19.120 doing

00:49:19.380 what

00:49:19.600 they

00:49:19.720 have

00:49:19.920 to

00:49:20.060 do

00:49:20.340 I

00:49:20.540 have

00:49:20.680 no

00:49:20.840 criticism

00:49:21.380 for

00:49:21.600 them

00:49:21.880 that's

00:49:22.480 their

00:49:22.620 job

00:49:22.980 is

00:49:23.140 to

00:49:23.240 ensure

00:49:23.500 that

00:49:23.680 their

00:49:23.800 client

00:49:24.060 can

00:49:24.200 spare

00:49:24.400 trial

00:49:24.800 and

00:49:25.340 to

00:49:25.480 present

00:49:25.780 whatever

00:49:26.060 issues

00:49:26.440 they

00:49:26.600 can

00:49:26.840 but

00:49:27.340 they're

00:49:27.520 pretty

00:49:27.820 dramatic

00:49:28.240 about

00:49:28.560 a lot

00:49:28.840 of

00:49:28.980 things

00:49:29.280 they're

00:49:29.440 doing

00:49:29.720 and

00:49:30.460 I

00:49:30.680 can

00:49:30.840 tell

00:49:31.040 you

00:49:31.160 right

00:49:31.320 now

00:49:31.520 I

00:49:31.740 have

00:49:32.060 that

00:49:32.900 that

00:49:33.540 sounds

00:49:33.960 good

00:49:34.300 especially

00:49:35.380 to

00:49:35.760 a

00:49:35.980 lay

00:49:36.160 audience

00:49:36.620 that

00:49:37.360 his

00:49:37.980 DNA

00:49:38.340 is

00:49:38.560 that

00:49:38.800 the

00:49:39.180 DNA

00:49:39.440 on

00:49:39.680 knife

00:49:39.940 sheet

00:49:40.220 is

00:49:41.480 going

00:49:41.740 to

00:49:41.880 be

00:49:42.000 admitted

00:49:42.220 against

00:49:42.620 Brian

00:49:42.900 Koberger

00:49:43.340 in

00:49:43.520 that

00:49:43.680 trial

00:49:44.080 they're

00:49:44.960 not

00:49:45.180 going

00:49:45.300 to

00:49:45.320 be

00:49:45.400 able

00:49:45.500 to

00:49:45.640 successfully

00:49:46.180 suppress

00:49:46.980 it

00:49:47.220 and

00:49:47.660 it

00:49:48.040 will

00:49:48.220 be

00:49:48.360 affirmed

00:49:48.720 on

00:49:48.860 appeal

00:49:49.200 if

00:49:49.680 he's

00:49:49.880 convicted

00:49:50.240 so

00:49:51.100 the

00:49:51.720 new

00:49:52.840 judge

00:49:53.220 is

00:49:53.380 the

00:49:53.520 old

00:49:53.820 judge

00:49:54.140 wasn't

00:49:54.400 giving

00:49:54.620 them

00:49:54.840 all

00:49:55.040 the

00:49:55.180 discovery

00:49:55.600 about

00:49:55.920 that

00:49:56.160 trail

00:49:56.680 that

00:49:56.920 they

00:49:57.080 wanted

00:49:57.440 and

00:49:57.620 so

00:49:57.720 they're

00:49:57.880 thinking

00:49:58.160 okay

00:49:58.520 we'll

00:49:59.200 get

00:49:59.300 a

00:49:59.400 new

00:49:59.540 judge

00:49:59.740 now

00:50:00.000 maybe

00:50:00.240 we'll

00:50:00.480 get

00:50:00.760 what

00:50:01.440 we

00:50:01.580 need

00:50:01.760 but

00:50:01.900 you're

00:50:02.060 saying

00:50:02.420 that

00:50:03.640 they

00:50:03.940 should

00:50:04.060 hold

00:50:04.640 their

00:50:04.940 horses

00:50:05.360 their

00:50:06.280 joy

00:50:06.840 is

00:50:07.180 a

00:50:08.560 little

00:50:08.680 premature

00:50:09.040 enjoy it

00:50:10.360 while they

00:50:10.580 got it

00:50:11.060 I mean

00:50:11.340 look

00:50:11.560 when I

00:50:13.000 was

00:50:13.120 trained

00:50:13.520 there was

00:50:13.820 a guy

00:50:13.960 named

00:50:14.060 Chris Evans

00:50:14.560 who's

00:50:15.120 now a

00:50:15.340 superior

00:50:15.520 court

00:50:15.760 judge

00:50:16.080 and I

00:50:16.360 love

00:50:16.860 this

00:50:17.040 guy

00:50:17.220 he was

00:50:17.360 one

00:50:17.480 of

00:50:17.540 my

00:50:17.680 mentors

00:50:18.060 in

00:50:18.240 the

00:50:18.360 DA's

00:50:18.660 office

00:50:18.900 but

00:50:19.140 when

00:50:19.440 I

00:50:19.500 was

00:50:19.600 a

00:50:19.720 baby

00:50:19.940 DA

00:50:20.340 and

00:50:20.980 I'll

00:50:21.100 never

00:50:21.240 forget

00:50:21.500 it

00:50:21.620 he

00:50:21.720 came

00:50:21.900 in

00:50:22.140 and

00:50:22.620 we

00:50:22.720 were

00:50:22.820 learning

00:50:23.020 about

00:50:23.280 providing

00:50:23.760 discovery

00:50:24.220 to the

00:50:24.520 defense

00:50:24.900 and he

00:50:25.520 said

00:50:25.680 look

00:50:25.840 this

00:50:26.000 is

00:50:26.140 really

00:50:26.340 simple

00:50:26.720 make

00:50:27.560 sure

00:50:27.800 they

00:50:27.960 have

00:50:28.180 everything

00:50:28.660 give

00:50:29.360 them

00:50:29.580 absolutely

00:50:30.200 everything

00:50:30.620 and then

00:50:31.100 just

00:50:31.260 beat

00:50:31.480 them

00:50:31.580 with

00:50:31.760 it

00:50:32.180 okay

00:50:32.420 so

00:50:32.740 you

00:50:33.640 know

00:50:33.780 the

00:50:33.980 defenseman

00:50:34.500 Koberger

00:50:34.880 should

00:50:35.060 be

00:50:35.160 entitled

00:50:35.420 to

00:50:35.580 everything

00:50:35.880 you

00:50:36.220 know

00:50:36.320 give

00:50:36.540 them

00:50:36.640 everything

00:50:37.000 and

00:50:37.620 then

00:50:37.780 just

00:50:37.960 beat

00:50:38.260 them

00:50:38.360 with

00:50:38.540 it

00:50:38.660 you've

00:50:38.900 got

00:50:39.100 those

00:50:39.560 cell phone

00:50:39.960 pings

00:50:40.240 are

00:50:40.420 incredibly

00:50:41.740 damning

00:50:42.220 against

00:50:42.540 Brian

00:50:42.800 Koberger

00:50:43.200 and

00:50:43.300 I've

00:50:43.480 reviewed

00:50:43.760 that

00:50:44.000 data

00:50:44.340 and

00:50:45.120 any

00:50:45.440 competent

00:50:45.800 prosecutor

00:50:46.320 in front

00:50:47.180 of

00:50:47.620 any

00:50:47.920 fair

00:50:48.200 jury

00:50:48.560 that

00:50:49.060 is

00:50:49.380 quite

00:50:49.900 an

00:50:50.060 argument

00:50:50.320 he

00:50:50.760 turned

00:50:50.960 his

00:50:51.100 phone

00:50:51.300 off

00:50:51.560 in

00:50:51.660 the

00:50:51.780 direction

00:50:52.240 of

00:50:52.880 the

00:50:53.740 murders

00:50:54.360 you

00:50:54.660 know

00:50:54.740 so

00:50:54.900 he

00:50:55.020 didn't

00:50:55.260 just

00:50:55.500 leave

00:50:55.700 it

00:50:55.840 at

00:50:55.960 home

00:50:56.240 he

00:50:56.840 took

00:50:57.080 it

00:50:57.180 with

00:50:57.340 him

00:50:57.460 which

00:50:57.620 is

00:50:57.760 fascinating

00:50:58.520 I

00:50:58.720 mean

00:50:58.820 allegedly

00:50:59.320 of

00:50:59.600 course

00:50:59.880 he's

00:51:00.220 presumed

00:51:00.620 innocent

00:51:00.900 I would

00:51:01.220 say

00:51:01.440 that

00:51:01.620 as

00:51:01.740 an

00:51:01.880 attorney

00:51:02.100 but

00:51:02.420 look

00:51:03.020 the

00:51:03.180 guy's

00:51:03.460 a

00:51:03.660 PhD

00:51:12.220 the

00:51:12.660 prosecution

00:51:13.120 is

00:51:13.280 going

00:51:13.380 to

00:51:13.440 argue

00:51:13.660 what's

00:51:14.000 known

00:51:14.120 as

00:51:14.240 consciousness

00:51:14.740 of

00:51:15.060 guilt

00:51:15.280 and

00:51:15.800 then

00:51:15.940 he's

00:51:16.160 gone

00:51:16.580 just

00:51:16.900 enough

00:51:17.140 time

00:51:17.400 to

00:51:17.520 have

00:51:17.700 committed

00:51:17.980 these

00:51:18.260 horrific

00:51:18.680 murders

00:51:19.100 and

00:51:19.580 then

00:51:19.700 he

00:51:19.800 turns

00:51:20.080 his

00:51:20.240 phone

00:51:20.580 back

00:51:21.020 on

00:51:21.340 before

00:51:21.960 he

00:51:22.160 comes

00:51:22.380 back

00:51:22.640 and

00:51:22.740 the

00:51:22.820 defense

00:51:23.120 is

00:51:23.280 saying

00:51:23.500 oh

00:51:23.700 they

00:51:23.880 can

00:51:24.040 relay

00:51:24.360 and

00:51:24.540 all

00:51:24.660 that

00:51:24.860 you

00:51:25.280 hear

00:51:25.460 that

00:51:25.660 same

00:51:26.000 defense

00:51:26.440 in

00:51:26.700 every

00:51:27.340 murder

00:51:27.980 case

00:51:28.420 where

00:51:28.760 cell

00:51:29.140 phones

00:51:29.460 are

00:51:29.880 a

00:51:30.200 part

00:51:30.320 of

00:51:30.400 the

00:51:30.480 evidence

00:51:30.840 and

00:51:31.180 the

00:51:31.780 jury

00:51:32.180 gets

00:51:32.880 it

00:51:33.300 it's

00:51:33.840 triangulation

00:51:35.560 it's

00:51:36.140 not

00:51:36.560 tough

00:51:36.940 the

00:51:37.180 science

00:51:37.520 isn't

00:51:37.760 tough

00:51:37.980 they'll

00:51:38.180 put up

00:51:38.420 a

00:51:38.580 map

00:51:38.900 showing

00:51:39.460 him

00:51:39.700 pinging

00:51:40.040 the

00:51:40.200 long

00:51:40.360 transponders

00:51:40.960 in

00:51:41.120 the

00:51:41.200 direction

00:51:41.500 of

00:51:41.620 the

00:51:41.700 murder

00:51:41.920 they'll

00:51:42.460 do

00:51:42.620 the

00:51:42.780 timing

00:51:43.100 they'll

00:51:43.300 do

00:51:43.420 the

00:51:43.560 drives

00:51:43.900 they'll

00:51:44.100 show

00:51:44.280 the

00:51:44.420 video

00:51:44.720 of

00:51:44.900 his

00:51:45.160 car

00:51:45.540 that

00:51:45.920 is

00:51:46.080 his

00:51:46.240 car

00:51:46.540 that

00:51:47.100 plus

00:51:47.400 the

00:51:47.600 DNA

00:51:47.940 and

00:51:48.520 I'm

00:51:48.820 sure

00:51:49.040 they

00:51:49.200 have

00:51:49.360 additional

00:51:49.700 things

00:51:50.060 from

00:51:50.240 his

00:51:50.400 computers

00:51:50.860 but

00:51:51.300 apparently

00:51:51.580 visited

00:51:52.020 that

00:51:52.300 house

00:51:52.540 multiple

00:52:00.480 he

00:52:01.000 went

00:52:01.220 in

00:52:01.380 there

00:52:01.580 he

00:52:03.840 wasn't

00:52:04.820 expecting

00:52:05.240 that

00:52:05.480 other

00:52:05.680 poor

00:52:05.960 young

00:52:06.160 woman

00:52:06.340 to be

00:52:06.560 in

00:52:06.680 bed

00:52:06.880 with

00:52:07.080 his

00:52:07.260 intended

00:52:07.600 victim

00:52:07.960 and

00:52:08.760 Mike

00:52:10.360 Tyson

00:52:10.740 the

00:52:10.920 great

00:52:11.120 philosopher

00:52:11.480 said

00:52:11.780 everybody

00:52:12.060 has

00:52:12.300 a

00:52:12.420 plan

00:52:12.700 until

00:52:12.900 they

00:52:13.020 get

00:52:13.140 punched

00:52:13.400 in

00:52:13.520 the

00:52:13.620 face

00:52:13.920 and

00:52:14.400 that

00:52:14.560 guy

00:52:14.680 went

00:52:14.880 in

00:52:15.140 and

00:52:15.600 everything

00:52:16.140 went

00:52:16.440 wrong

00:52:17.220 and

00:52:17.700 he

00:52:18.900 left

00:52:19.260 that

00:52:20.000 sheath

00:52:20.320 there

00:52:20.460 that

00:52:20.640 clearly

00:52:20.940 was

00:52:21.120 not

00:52:21.260 a

00:52:21.380 part

00:52:21.520 of

00:52:21.580 the

00:52:21.680 plan

00:52:22.000 and

00:52:22.560 I

00:52:22.680 think

00:52:22.860 the

00:52:23.020 evidence

00:52:23.340 against

00:52:23.660 him

00:52:23.900 is

00:52:24.060 extremely

00:52:25.080 powerful

00:52:25.600 and

00:52:26.340 it

00:52:30.480 the

00:52:30.640 state

00:52:30.840 of

00:52:30.980 Idaho

00:52:31.300 they

00:52:31.860 will

00:52:32.000 be

00:52:32.100 able

00:52:32.220 to

00:52:32.340 find

00:52:32.540 12

00:52:33.000 fair

00:52:33.240 people

00:52:33.640 they

00:52:33.980 will

00:52:34.080 assess

00:52:34.420 this

00:52:34.660 they

00:52:34.840 will

00:52:34.860 follow

00:52:35.100 the

00:52:35.260 law

00:52:35.540 and

00:52:36.300 look

00:52:36.600 I

00:52:36.740 think

00:52:36.960 the

00:52:37.200 evidence

00:52:37.500 against

00:52:37.820 Brian

00:52:38.100 Kovrigar

00:52:38.540 is

00:52:38.900 overwhelming

00:52:39.520 personally

00:52:40.100 we

00:52:40.900 will

00:52:41.140 be

00:52:41.420 hopefully

00:52:41.920 talking

00:52:42.340 to

00:52:42.500 you

00:52:42.700 a

00:52:43.000 lot

00:52:43.320 as

00:52:43.700 that

00:52:43.900 trial

00:52:44.100 gets

00:52:44.280 started

00:52:44.580 right

00:52:44.820 now

00:52:45.000 it's

00:52:45.160 slated

00:52:45.400 for

00:52:45.740 June

00:52:46.280 of

00:52:46.540 2025

00:52:47.380 it's

00:52:48.060 been

00:52:48.260 delayed

00:52:48.700 so

00:52:49.120 long

00:52:49.500 I

00:52:49.640 mean

00:52:49.720 I

00:52:49.800 just

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00:52:50.200 imagine

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00:52:50.860 later

00:52:51.180 they

00:52:51.360 could

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00:55:26.780 I wanted

00:55:31.600 to take a few

00:55:32.100 minutes

00:55:32.380 to talk about

00:55:33.120 a very

00:55:34.320 busy week

00:55:34.840 last week

00:55:35.260 maybe you

00:55:35.620 noticed

00:55:36.140 we were

00:55:36.960 all over the

00:55:38.020 country

00:55:38.240 doing a bunch

00:55:38.900 of different

00:55:39.200 things

00:55:39.460 and it was

00:55:39.780 it was

00:55:40.360 great

00:55:40.800 had some

00:55:41.380 amazing

00:55:41.820 conversations

00:55:42.440 with some

00:55:43.380 really interesting

00:55:43.920 guys

00:55:44.320 most of whom

00:55:45.060 you know

00:55:45.500 I hope

00:55:46.700 and I believe

00:55:47.800 you remember

00:55:48.560 Sean Ryan

00:55:49.600 what a guest

00:55:51.100 and what a guy

00:55:52.200 he was on the

00:55:53.540 show back in

00:55:54.340 May

00:55:54.620 it was such

00:55:55.340 a powerful

00:55:55.860 interview

00:55:56.280 this is a

00:55:57.100 special man

00:55:57.740 and then he

00:55:59.000 invited me

00:55:59.600 to go on

00:55:59.960 his show

00:56:00.580 down in

00:56:01.800 Nashville

00:56:02.140 Tennessee

00:56:02.480 which I

00:56:02.920 did

00:56:03.200 and it

00:56:03.580 was very

00:56:04.460 cool

00:56:04.720 it was the

00:56:05.540 longest

00:56:05.900 interview

00:56:06.300 I've ever

00:56:06.900 given in

00:56:07.480 my life

00:56:08.320 for hours

00:56:09.520 but it

00:56:11.800 didn't seem

00:56:12.420 that long

00:56:12.980 Sean has

00:56:13.720 a way of

00:56:14.180 keeping it

00:56:14.620 going

00:56:14.900 and he's

00:56:15.420 just so

00:56:15.960 thoughtful

00:56:16.360 he's a

00:56:16.840 great

00:56:17.200 interviewer

00:56:18.000 and so

00:56:19.180 we wanted

00:56:19.520 to bring

00:56:19.820 you a

00:56:20.780 couple of

00:56:21.180 highlights

00:56:21.580 what do

00:56:22.260 you think

00:56:22.520 the final

00:56:22.940 nail in

00:56:23.400 the coffin

00:56:23.800 will be

00:56:24.300 if Trump

00:56:26.320 wins again

00:56:26.880 that'll be

00:56:27.920 the end

00:56:28.360 yes because

00:56:30.260 they'll do

00:56:30.940 the same

00:56:32.260 thing they

00:56:32.760 did the

00:56:33.140 first time

00:56:33.740 everything

00:56:37.000 will be

00:56:37.400 negative

00:56:37.780 he will be

00:56:38.860 the devil

00:56:39.240 incarnate

00:56:39.800 they will

00:56:41.520 find their

00:56:42.000 oppositional

00:56:42.840 you know

00:56:43.760 media roots

00:56:44.400 again which

00:56:45.200 they totally

00:56:45.660 forgot during

00:56:46.220 the Biden

00:56:46.580 years

00:56:46.960 you had

00:56:47.760 just mentioned

00:56:48.640 that you

00:56:48.900 were bullied

00:56:49.420 as a

00:56:50.480 little girl

00:56:51.340 why were

00:56:52.460 you bullied

00:56:52.940 why

00:56:55.340 why

00:56:56.000 that's an

00:56:56.320 interesting

00:56:56.520 question

00:56:56.880 I think

00:56:58.620 I think

00:56:59.880 it's because

00:57:00.460 I had

00:57:02.020 a

00:57:02.600 fairly

00:57:04.160 big

00:57:04.800 not huge

00:57:05.400 but fairly

00:57:05.780 big

00:57:06.040 personality

00:57:06.500 so

00:57:08.340 I attracted

00:57:09.580 attention

00:57:10.240 which is

00:57:11.800 somewhat dangerous

00:57:12.580 when you're

00:57:13.000 young

00:57:13.240 kind of

00:57:15.100 always

00:57:15.420 it could be

00:57:15.840 potentially

00:57:16.160 dangerous

00:57:16.540 but you

00:57:17.440 know

00:57:17.520 when you're

00:57:17.860 young

00:57:18.500 most kids

00:57:20.100 just want

00:57:20.460 to fly

00:57:20.880 under the

00:57:21.440 radar

00:57:21.840 have

00:57:22.780 friends

00:57:23.360 I wasn't

00:57:25.340 trying to

00:57:25.780 get attention

00:57:26.240 I just

00:57:26.700 had a

00:57:27.880 large

00:57:28.140 personality

00:57:28.740 what do

00:57:29.260 you think

00:57:29.520 the key

00:57:30.120 to a

00:57:30.560 successful

00:57:31.000 marriage

00:57:31.400 is

00:57:31.700 I

00:57:33.240 definitely

00:57:33.640 think it's

00:57:34.020 using your

00:57:34.380 most generous

00:57:34.860 lens

00:57:35.300 on your

00:57:35.740 partner

00:57:36.020 trying to

00:57:37.240 interpret

00:57:37.600 all behaviors

00:57:38.420 through the

00:57:38.780 lens of

00:57:39.180 he loves

00:57:39.560 me

00:57:39.800 and I

00:57:40.640 love

00:57:40.800 him

00:57:41.020 that helps

00:57:43.600 with so

00:57:44.780 many things

00:57:45.280 and I

00:57:46.460 also think

00:57:46.860 it's important

00:57:47.280 to say

00:57:47.580 the thing

00:57:48.020 that you

00:57:48.340 don't want

00:57:48.620 to say

00:57:48.940 I have

00:57:49.600 every belief

00:57:50.900 in God

00:57:52.400 and in

00:57:53.460 higher power

00:57:54.360 and in

00:57:55.040 something more

00:57:56.660 for us

00:57:57.280 on the other

00:57:57.640 side

00:57:57.940 and on the

00:57:58.540 last side

00:57:59.260 you know

00:57:59.600 before we

00:58:00.380 got here

00:58:00.660 as I said

00:58:01.080 I just

00:58:04.400 haven't figured

00:58:04.900 out how I

00:58:05.500 interact with

00:58:06.140 it

00:58:06.340 it was

00:58:07.660 a great

00:58:08.700 conversation

00:58:09.240 it was like

00:58:09.740 therapy

00:58:10.160 for me

00:58:10.880 frankly

00:58:11.260 but

00:58:12.120 not

00:58:12.900 traumatic

00:58:13.340 you know

00:58:13.840 like

00:58:14.140 Sean

00:58:15.140 knows

00:58:15.680 just how

00:58:16.160 far

00:58:16.560 to push

00:58:17.060 you

00:58:17.320 without

00:58:17.600 pushing

00:58:17.940 you

00:58:18.260 over

00:58:18.620 the

00:58:18.820 edge

00:58:19.100 or at

00:58:19.340 least

00:58:19.460 that's

00:58:19.780 that was

00:58:20.200 my

00:58:20.380 experience

00:58:20.780 there

00:58:21.120 but

00:58:21.680 like

00:58:22.080 in

00:58:22.200 that

00:58:22.340 one

00:58:22.520 question

00:58:23.000 you know

00:58:23.380 why

00:58:23.720 were

00:58:23.900 you

00:58:24.020 bullied

00:58:24.300 isn't

00:58:24.520 that

00:58:24.640 an

00:58:24.800 interesting

00:58:25.100 question

00:58:25.620 that's

00:58:26.720 how

00:58:27.080 he

00:58:27.280 is

00:58:27.520 he

00:58:27.900 thinks

00:58:28.080 of

00:58:28.200 questions

00:58:28.420 like

00:58:28.620 that

00:58:28.860 and

00:58:29.080 what

00:58:29.440 a

00:58:29.580 thoughtful

00:58:29.840 sweet

00:58:30.220 guy

00:58:30.440 loved

00:58:30.860 my

00:58:31.080 time

00:58:31.300 down

00:58:31.480 there

00:58:31.700 then

00:58:33.060 on

00:58:33.360 Monday

00:58:33.860 last

00:58:34.980 week

00:58:35.200 I

00:58:35.320 was

00:58:35.460 in

00:58:35.860 Los

00:58:40.880 at

00:58:41.420 their

00:58:41.580 yearly

00:58:42.000 all

00:58:42.520 in

00:58:42.820 summit

00:58:43.240 conference

00:58:43.660 now

00:58:43.900 I

00:58:44.140 love

00:58:44.660 that

00:58:44.880 they

00:58:45.000 do

00:58:45.180 this

00:58:45.440 because

00:58:45.740 they

00:58:46.060 are

00:58:46.180 actual

00:58:46.580 tech

00:58:46.900 gurus

00:58:47.320 these

00:58:47.500 guys

00:58:47.660 are

00:58:47.800 billionaires

00:58:48.360 they're

00:58:48.960 extremely

00:58:49.640 successful

00:58:50.240 and

00:58:51.460 the only

00:58:52.180 person

00:58:52.460 who's been

00:58:52.700 doing

00:58:53.000 like

00:58:53.260 the

00:58:53.380 really

00:58:53.600 successful

00:58:54.020 tech

00:58:54.380 conference

00:58:54.780 is

00:58:55.580 that

00:58:55.900 villain

00:58:56.300 Kara

00:58:56.700 Swisher

00:58:57.140 who

00:58:57.720 is

00:58:58.020 a

00:58:58.280 leftist

00:58:58.760 who

00:58:59.100 hates

00:58:59.500 everyone

00:59:00.180 who's

00:59:00.440 not as

00:59:00.680 far

00:59:00.820 left

00:59:01.080 as

00:59:01.240 she

00:59:01.420 is

00:59:01.660 so

00:59:02.200 they're

00:59:02.500 giving

00:59:02.720 her

00:59:02.960 a run

00:59:03.300 for

00:59:03.460 her

00:59:03.620 money

00:59:03.880 they're

00:59:04.380 getting

00:59:04.560 all

00:59:04.900 the

00:59:05.040 big

00:59:05.200 names

00:59:05.620 Elon

00:59:06.060 was

00:59:06.400 there

00:59:06.740 and

00:59:07.140 I

00:59:07.280 met

00:59:07.480 him

00:59:07.660 backstage

00:59:08.040 more

00:59:08.380 on

00:59:08.520 that

00:59:08.660 in

00:59:08.760 a

00:59:08.840 second

00:59:09.100 so

00:59:10.480 I

00:59:10.820 love

00:59:11.020 that

00:59:11.140 they're

00:59:11.260 doing

00:59:11.500 it

00:59:11.680 at

00:59:11.860 all

00:59:12.140 and

00:59:12.440 all

00:59:12.800 the

00:59:12.940 people

00:59:13.140 there

00:59:13.360 were

00:59:13.500 these

00:59:13.680 young

00:59:14.180 smart

00:59:15.360 successful

00:59:16.400 tech

00:59:17.200 guys

00:59:17.580 and

00:59:17.760 gals

00:59:18.020 the

00:59:18.220 audience

00:59:18.660 was

00:59:18.880 really

00:59:19.340 dynamic

00:59:19.820 and

00:59:20.880 I

00:59:21.420 got

00:59:21.620 to

00:59:21.800 know

00:59:22.080 the

00:59:22.520 other

00:59:22.840 co-host

00:59:23.760 who

00:59:23.880 I

00:59:23.980 didn't

00:59:24.180 know

00:59:24.400 I

00:59:24.580 know

00:59:24.720 David

00:59:25.040 Sachs

00:59:25.380 of

00:59:25.500 course

00:59:25.720 David

00:59:26.320 Friedberg

00:59:26.720 has

00:59:26.820 been

00:59:26.920 on

00:59:27.000 the

00:59:27.080 show

00:59:27.220 once

00:59:27.460 before

00:59:27.720 so

00:59:28.000 is

00:59:28.160 J.

00:59:28.440 Cal

00:59:28.660 Jason

00:59:29.420 Kalkanis

00:59:30.180 who

00:59:30.360 well

00:59:31.200 you know

00:59:31.460 there was

00:59:31.700 an

00:59:31.820 incident

00:59:32.020 when he

00:59:32.280 came

00:59:32.460 on

00:59:32.600 but

00:59:32.740 I

00:59:32.900 like

00:59:33.140 him

00:59:33.300 and

00:59:33.760 Chamath

00:59:35.640 was

00:59:35.820 there

00:59:36.000 as

00:59:36.180 well

00:59:36.420 and

00:59:36.980 we

00:59:37.260 all

00:59:37.500 spoke

00:59:37.800 to

00:59:38.900 close

00:59:39.200 out

00:59:39.400 the

00:59:39.560 first

00:59:39.840 day

00:59:40.200 of

00:59:40.600 their

00:59:40.900 conference

00:59:41.600 right

00:59:41.940 before

00:59:42.320 Elon

00:59:43.120 came

00:59:43.600 on

00:59:43.800 here's

00:59:44.180 a

00:59:44.480 look

00:59:44.620 at

00:59:44.720 that

00:59:44.920 and

00:59:45.320 then

00:59:45.440 what

00:59:45.580 about

00:59:45.820 Hillary

00:59:46.340 versus

00:59:46.740 Kamala

00:59:47.120 oh

00:59:48.220 God

00:59:48.520 well

00:59:49.880 Hillary

00:59:50.240 was

00:59:50.480 smart

00:59:50.880 the

00:59:56.200 problem

00:59:56.440 for

00:59:56.580 Kamala

00:59:56.820 Harris

00:59:57.120 is

00:59:57.540 she's

00:59:57.940 not

00:59:58.120 smart

00:59:58.420 she's

00:59:58.700 not

00:59:58.800 a

00:59:58.920 deep

00:59:59.080 thinker

00:59:59.480 she's

01:00:00.480 very

01:00:00.720 surface

01:00:01.080 level

01:00:01.460 yes

01:00:02.200 she's

01:00:02.700 giggling

01:00:02.920 just like

01:00:03.320 that

01:00:03.680 Megan

01:00:11.480 tell us

01:00:11.860 how you

01:00:12.100 feel

01:00:12.320 really

01:00:12.880 be honest

01:00:13.440 and

01:00:13.640 it's

01:00:13.860 a

01:00:14.000 cover

01:00:14.400 it's

01:00:14.720 an

01:00:14.840 obvious

01:00:15.220 cover

01:00:15.820 right

01:00:16.200 it's

01:00:16.460 like

01:00:16.660 she

01:00:17.100 gets

01:00:17.320 to

01:00:17.420 the

01:00:17.520 point

01:00:17.660 where

01:00:17.800 she

01:00:17.900 doesn't

01:00:18.080 know

01:00:18.180 what

01:00:18.360 she's

01:00:18.600 saying

01:00:18.720 even

01:00:18.920 she

01:00:19.180 doesn't

01:00:19.400 know

01:00:19.520 what

01:00:19.680 she's

01:00:19.900 saying

01:00:20.160 and

01:00:20.260 it's

01:00:20.380 like

01:00:20.520 and

01:00:22.580 so

01:00:22.900 you

01:00:23.180 feel

01:00:23.420 uncomfortable

01:00:23.880 watching

01:00:24.440 her

01:00:24.760 and

01:00:25.080 then

01:00:25.300 she

01:00:25.520 gave

01:00:25.700 her

01:00:25.820 first

01:00:26.040 interview

01:00:26.280 to

01:00:26.440 CNN

01:00:26.760 and

01:00:27.420 suddenly

01:00:27.780 if

01:00:28.280 that's

01:00:28.620 drunk

01:00:29.000 Kamala

01:00:29.380 suddenly

01:00:29.720 we're

01:00:29.920 dealing

01:00:30.120 with

01:00:30.320 hungover

01:00:30.820 Kamala

01:00:31.260 like

01:00:31.560 my values

01:00:33.460 haven't

01:00:33.820 changed

01:00:34.400 like

01:00:35.680 clearly

01:00:36.060 somebody

01:00:36.400 had told

01:00:36.800 her

01:00:37.020 you

01:00:37.620 cackle

01:00:38.540 we're

01:00:38.960 out of

01:00:39.320 here

01:00:39.520 yeah

01:00:40.020 what

01:00:41.340 what

01:00:41.360 what

01:00:41.380 did

01:00:41.480 you

01:00:41.560 think

01:00:41.740 about

01:00:41.960 her

01:00:42.120 bringing

01:00:42.440 her

01:00:42.720 emotional

01:00:43.360 support

01:00:43.920 white

01:00:44.200 guy

01:00:44.460 exactly

01:00:45.580 her

01:00:46.120 emotional

01:00:46.400 support

01:00:46.700 governor

01:00:47.020 he was

01:00:47.440 her

01:00:47.560 big

01:00:47.700 white

01:00:47.880 blankie

01:00:48.660 like

01:00:48.820 it

01:00:49.080 made

01:00:49.300 no

01:00:49.480 sense

01:00:49.940 like

01:00:50.360 it

01:00:50.680 seemed

01:00:50.880 like

01:00:51.020 a

01:00:51.140 terrible

01:00:51.360 strategic

01:00:51.920 decision

01:00:52.520 like

01:00:52.700 who's

01:00:52.940 making

01:00:53.160 the

01:00:53.340 decision

01:00:53.660 to

01:00:53.880 do

01:00:54.080 that

01:00:54.240 I

01:00:54.380 objected

01:00:55.080 to

01:00:55.160 the

01:00:55.260 whole

01:00:55.400 thing

01:00:55.700 I

01:00:55.960 think

01:00:56.120 he

01:00:56.200 was

01:00:56.320 there

01:00:56.460 for

01:00:56.600 two

01:00:56.960 two

01:00:58.180 purposes

01:00:58.560 one

01:00:59.500 was

01:01:00.060 yes

01:01:00.420 in case

01:01:00.760 she

01:01:00.860 got

01:01:00.980 in real

01:01:01.180 trouble

01:01:01.460 he could

01:01:01.720 step

01:01:01.940 in

01:01:02.140 yeah

01:01:02.380 and

01:01:03.480 the

01:01:03.800 other

01:01:03.980 was

01:01:04.420 to

01:01:04.900 suck

01:01:05.160 up

01:01:05.280 some

01:01:05.440 of

01:01:05.500 the

01:01:05.560 air

01:01:05.700 time

01:01:05.880 so

01:01:06.080 she

01:01:06.180 had

01:01:06.300 a

01:01:06.460 couple

01:01:06.640 of

01:01:06.860 fewer

01:01:07.340 questions

01:01:07.840 to

01:01:08.180 answer

01:01:08.480 we

01:01:08.980 look

01:01:09.180 at

01:01:09.280 the

01:01:09.380 five

01:01:09.580 cases

01:01:09.960 you know

01:01:10.360 six

01:01:10.560 months

01:01:10.780 from

01:01:10.900 now

01:01:11.080 a year

01:01:11.380 from

01:01:11.580 now

01:01:11.760 let's

01:01:12.020 assume

01:01:12.280 all

01:01:12.480 five

01:01:12.720 of

01:01:12.800 them

01:01:12.880 go

01:01:13.020 to

01:01:13.140 trial

01:01:13.460 he's

01:01:14.340 guilty

01:01:14.520 of

01:01:14.680 three

01:01:14.840 so

01:01:15.080 far

01:01:15.420 what

01:01:16.040 do

01:01:16.440 you

01:01:16.500 mean

01:01:16.660 he's

01:01:16.880 guilty

01:01:17.100 of

01:01:17.280 three

01:01:17.440 so

01:01:17.660 far

01:01:17.820 he's

01:01:18.040 convicted

01:01:18.480 of

01:01:18.640 three

01:01:18.780 sorry

01:01:19.020 what

01:01:19.180 he

01:01:19.300 even

01:01:19.420 no

01:01:19.520 he

01:01:19.640 hasn't

01:01:20.400 I love

01:01:21.180 this

01:01:21.460 no

01:01:22.900 E. Jean

01:01:23.400 Carroll

01:01:24.400 was

01:01:24.700 guilty

01:01:24.920 that

01:01:25.100 was

01:01:25.240 not

01:01:25.400 a

01:01:25.500 conviction

01:01:25.900 that

01:01:26.160 was

01:01:26.300 a

01:01:26.440 civil

01:01:26.660 case

01:01:27.020 okay

01:01:27.300 well

01:01:27.480 yes

01:01:27.720 that's

01:01:27.960 what

01:01:28.040 I'm

01:01:28.140 talking

01:01:28.360 about

01:01:28.580 so

01:01:28.760 that

01:01:28.900 there's

01:01:29.240 a

01:01:29.320 big

01:01:29.500 difference

01:01:29.960 it's

01:01:30.720 still

01:01:30.880 he

01:01:31.060 was

01:01:31.340 convicted

01:01:31.820 he

01:01:32.060 was

01:01:32.280 guilty

01:01:32.640 of

01:01:33.100 that

01:01:33.360 in

01:01:36.020 the

01:01:36.300 yeah

01:01:38.020 in the

01:01:38.280 Trump

01:01:38.520 organization

01:01:39.200 they're

01:01:39.920 guilty

01:01:40.200 there

01:01:40.520 again

01:01:40.920 was

01:01:41.100 civil

01:01:41.660 liable

01:01:42.520 liable

01:01:42.920 yes

01:01:43.120 of course

01:01:43.520 but

01:01:43.820 these

01:01:44.320 are

01:01:44.420 the

01:01:44.520 cases

01:01:44.760 we're

01:01:44.960 talking

01:01:45.260 about

01:01:45.580 and in

01:01:45.900 the

01:01:46.040 third

01:01:46.260 one

01:01:46.640 you don't

01:01:47.040 see the

01:01:47.300 lawyer

01:01:47.520 right

01:01:47.800 yeah

01:01:47.960 of course

01:01:48.240 and in

01:01:48.500 the

01:01:48.580 third

01:01:48.780 one

01:01:49.060 I'm

01:01:50.160 just

01:01:50.320 talking

01:01:50.520 about

01:01:50.680 the

01:01:50.840 five

01:01:51.040 cases

01:01:51.320 yes

01:01:51.520 some

01:01:51.800 are

01:01:51.960 civil

01:01:52.220 obviously

01:01:52.660 and

01:01:53.000 some

01:01:53.520 are

01:01:53.980 not

01:01:54.140 some

01:01:54.300 are

01:01:54.400 criminal

01:01:54.640 you said

01:01:55.680 three

01:01:56.000 convictions

01:01:56.600 now you're

01:01:57.100 walking

01:01:57.400 it

01:01:57.580 back

01:01:57.880 I'm

01:01:58.040 not

01:01:58.160 walking

01:01:58.420 it

01:01:58.520 back

01:01:58.660 you should

01:02:00.120 walk

01:02:00.360 it

01:02:00.460 back

01:02:00.720 I'm

01:02:01.460 so glad

01:02:01.960 Megan

01:02:02.240 is

01:02:02.440 here

01:02:02.720 to

01:02:03.080 dispel

01:02:03.600 this

01:02:03.920 he's

01:02:04.080 either

01:02:04.400 guilty

01:02:05.080 or

01:02:05.600 he

01:02:06.020 got

01:02:06.180 a

01:02:06.280 bad

01:02:06.440 result

01:02:06.720 yeah

01:02:07.100 got

01:02:07.300 a

01:02:07.400 bad

01:02:07.520 result

01:02:07.880 there

01:02:08.560 are

01:02:08.700 two

01:02:08.840 more

01:02:09.120 if

01:02:09.600 he

01:02:09.820 is

01:02:10.080 found

01:02:10.260 guilty

01:02:10.480 of

01:02:10.660 those

01:02:10.880 two

01:02:11.120 more

01:02:11.460 Megan

01:02:11.820 and

01:02:12.960 five

01:02:13.440 of

01:02:13.600 five

01:02:13.920 he

01:02:14.120 had

01:02:14.300 a

01:02:14.420 bad

01:02:14.680 result

01:02:15.200 way

01:02:16.440 to

01:02:16.580 frame

01:02:16.820 it

01:02:17.100 will

01:02:18.960 will

01:02:19.600 you

01:02:19.820 chalk

01:02:20.220 all

01:02:20.460 five

01:02:20.780 up

01:02:20.980 in

01:02:21.120 your

01:02:21.280 mind

01:02:21.640 to

01:02:22.180 five

01:02:22.540 different

01:02:22.780 jurisdictions

01:02:23.280 five

01:02:23.920 different

01:02:24.180 prosecutors

01:02:24.760 five

01:02:25.580 different

01:02:25.840 juries

01:02:26.140 and or

01:02:26.480 judges

01:02:26.800 all

01:02:27.720 conspiring

01:02:28.540 to get

01:02:28.960 him

01:02:29.180 100%

01:02:31.060 okay

01:02:31.320 yes

01:02:31.640 that's

01:02:32.700 all I

01:02:32.940 wanted to

01:02:33.280 hear

01:02:33.420 your answer

01:02:33.760 to

01:02:33.920 five

01:02:34.680 of

01:02:34.840 five

01:02:35.200 different

01:02:35.900 jurisdictions

01:02:36.260 they

01:02:37.980 changed

01:02:38.580 the

01:02:38.740 law

01:02:38.940 so

01:02:39.100 that

01:02:39.240 she

01:02:39.340 could

01:02:39.460 bring

01:02:39.600 a

01:02:39.700 civil

01:02:39.880 lawsuit

01:02:40.140 against

01:02:40.480 him

01:02:40.600 and

01:02:40.860 she

01:02:41.080 did

01:02:41.300 New York

01:02:41.680 jury

01:02:42.020 went

01:02:42.760 87%

01:02:43.840 for

01:02:44.180 Joe

01:02:44.440 Biden

01:02:44.700 that

01:02:44.980 fix

01:02:45.740 was

01:02:45.940 in

01:02:46.140 right

01:02:46.680 from

01:02:46.800 the

01:02:46.920 start

01:02:47.100 the

01:02:47.280 fraud

01:02:47.560 trial

01:02:47.860 that

01:02:48.040 Latisha

01:02:48.380 James

01:02:48.720 brought

01:02:49.000 against

01:02:49.300 him

01:02:49.480 has

01:02:49.600 never

01:02:49.840 been

01:02:50.020 brought

01:02:50.280 there's

01:02:50.740 no

01:02:50.920 victims

01:02:51.260 the

01:02:51.460 banks

01:02:51.720 who

01:02:51.820 were

01:02:51.880 involved

01:02:52.120 said

01:02:52.320 we

01:02:52.420 didn't

01:02:52.560 lose

01:02:52.720 a

01:02:52.840 penny

01:02:53.040 what

01:02:53.440 are

01:02:53.540 we

01:02:53.640 doing

01:02:53.840 here

01:02:54.000 we

01:02:54.120 weren't

01:02:54.400 nobody

01:02:55.400 was

01:02:55.600 complaining

01:02:55.920 except

01:02:56.340 Tish

01:02:56.580 James

01:02:56.860 who

01:02:57.060 ran

01:02:57.320 for

01:02:57.500 office

01:02:57.760 saying

01:02:58.020 I

01:02:58.380 will

01:02:58.760 get

01:02:59.160 him

01:02:59.580 then

01:03:00.140 you

01:03:00.220 have

01:03:00.360 Alvin

01:03:00.740 Bragg

01:03:01.100 who's

01:03:01.260 a

01:03:01.380 George

01:03:01.620 Soros

01:03:01.980 funded

01:03:02.240 prosecutor

01:03:02.740 who

01:03:02.920 doesn't

01:03:03.160 like

01:03:03.300 to

01:03:03.400 prosecute

01:03:03.700 any

01:03:03.960 crime

01:03:04.240 in

01:03:04.360 New York

01:03:04.580 City

01:03:04.760 where

01:03:04.900 I

01:03:05.020 lived

01:03:05.140 for

01:03:05.260 17

01:03:05.580 years

01:03:05.920 except

01:03:06.480 if

01:03:06.700 your

01:03:06.800 name

01:03:06.960 is

01:03:07.080 Donald

01:03:07.320 Trump

01:03:07.600 let's

01:03:08.080 go

01:03:08.180 down

01:03:08.360 to

01:03:08.520 Georgia

01:03:08.800 where

01:03:09.040 Fannie

01:03:09.380 Willis

01:03:09.700 and

01:03:09.800 Nathan

01:03:10.020 Wade

01:03:10.280 couldn't

01:03:10.620 keep

01:03:10.840 their

01:03:11.020 libidos

01:03:11.420 in check

01:03:11.800 long

01:03:12.060 enough

01:03:12.280 to

01:03:12.440 bring

01:03:12.920 this

01:03:13.120 case

01:03:13.400 against

01:03:14.140 Donald

01:03:14.480 Trump

01:03:14.780 it's

01:03:15.740 a

01:03:15.880 repeat

01:03:16.440 of

01:03:16.760 what

01:03:16.900 was

01:03:17.040 happening

01:03:17.360 in

01:03:17.540 January

01:03:17.840 6th

01:03:18.300 up

01:03:18.460 in

01:03:18.540 the

01:03:18.660 case

01:03:18.900 with

01:03:19.360 Judge

01:03:19.660 Chutkin

01:03:20.080 who

01:03:20.320 loathes

01:03:20.820 Trump

01:03:21.080 and has

01:03:21.340 sentenced

01:03:21.560 almost

01:03:21.860 every

01:03:22.220 J6

01:03:22.680 defendant

01:03:23.060 to

01:03:23.560 way

01:03:23.860 more

01:03:24.080 jail

01:03:24.340 time

01:03:24.580 than

01:03:24.720 their

01:03:24.860 counterparts

01:03:25.240 would

01:03:25.520 get

01:03:25.760 those

01:03:26.280 are

01:03:26.420 falling

01:03:26.660 apart

01:03:26.920 because

01:03:27.200 of

01:03:27.360 presidential

01:03:27.780 immunity

01:03:28.180 which

01:03:28.440 was

01:03:28.560 handed

01:03:28.700 down

01:03:28.880 by

01:03:29.000 the

01:03:29.140 Supreme

01:03:29.380 Court

01:03:29.640 who

01:03:29.800 said

01:03:29.980 you

01:03:30.400 cannot

01:03:30.900 bring

01:03:31.400 a

01:03:31.600 criminal

01:03:31.840 case

01:03:32.180 against

01:03:32.520 a

01:03:32.740 sitting

01:03:32.920 president

01:03:33.260 for

01:03:33.460 any

01:03:33.740 official

01:03:34.120 act

01:03:34.520 those

01:03:35.000 cases

01:03:35.300 have

01:03:35.520 been

01:03:35.860 gutted

01:03:36.240 also

01:03:36.600 a

01:03:36.780 Supreme

01:03:37.020 Court

01:03:37.220 ruling

01:03:37.540 saying

01:03:37.880 the

01:03:38.100 same

01:03:38.340 on

01:03:38.640 January

01:03:38.960 6th

01:03:39.280 defendants

01:03:39.640 in

01:03:39.800 general

01:03:40.080 and

01:03:40.620 that

01:03:40.760 leaves

01:03:40.960 us

01:03:41.080 with

01:03:41.240 Florida

01:03:41.560 and

01:03:41.760 the

01:03:41.880 documents

01:03:42.360 and

01:03:42.920 Trump

01:03:43.300 has

01:03:43.740 torn

01:03:44.200 that

01:03:44.380 apart

01:03:44.640 because

01:03:44.900 Jack

01:03:45.160 Smith

01:03:45.340 wasn't

01:03:45.600 properly

01:03:45.940 appointed

01:03:46.340 and isn't

01:03:46.760 the

01:03:46.860 right

01:03:47.060 counsel

01:03:47.600 but

01:03:48.140 there

01:03:48.300 are

01:03:48.440 other

01:03:48.660 issues

01:03:48.960 they

01:03:49.100 haven't

01:03:49.280 even

01:03:49.420 gotten

01:03:49.680 to

01:03:49.980 presidential

01:03:50.400 immunity

01:03:50.800 there

01:03:51.160 and

01:03:51.640 so

01:03:51.960 that

01:03:53.140 one's

01:03:53.360 going

01:03:53.560 nowhere

01:03:53.780 as

01:03:54.000 well

01:03:54.160 and

01:03:54.360 by

01:03:54.520 the

01:03:54.600 way

01:03:54.760 they're

01:03:55.000 going

01:03:55.120 to

01:03:55.200 peel

01:03:55.380 it

01:03:55.500 up

01:03:55.600 to

01:03:55.680 the

01:03:55.840 11th

01:03:56.180 circuit

01:03:56.360 she

01:03:56.540 just

01:03:56.700 threw

01:03:56.840 it

01:03:56.940 out

01:03:57.080 the

01:03:57.460 11th

01:03:57.740 circuit

01:03:57.900 is

01:03:58.040 conservative

01:03:58.400 and

01:03:58.760 thank

01:03:59.020 god

01:03:59.220 so

01:03:59.420 is

01:03:59.540 the

01:03:59.660 current

01:03:59.860 Supreme

01:04:00.160 Court

01:04:00.420 they're

01:04:00.660 not

01:04:00.820 going

01:04:00.920 to

01:04:01.040 tolerate

01:04:01.300 that

01:04:01.500 nonsense

01:04:01.800 let me

01:04:02.100 ask

01:04:02.360 you

01:04:02.480 about

01:04:02.740 I

01:04:08.040 think

01:04:08.320 I

01:04:10.600 think

01:04:10.800 just

01:04:11.440 lost

01:04:11.760 his

01:04:12.000 right

01:04:12.260 to

01:04:12.400 ever

01:04:12.580 bring

01:04:12.840 up

01:04:12.960 law

01:04:13.180 fair

01:04:13.380 again

01:04:13.720 we

01:04:14.520 had

01:04:14.720 fun

01:04:15.080 I

01:04:15.380 you

01:04:15.520 know

01:04:15.600 I

01:04:15.760 appreciated

01:04:16.140 J.

01:04:16.460 bringing

01:04:16.740 that

01:04:16.900 up

01:04:17.040 because

01:04:17.220 obviously

01:04:17.620 he

01:04:17.840 knew

01:04:18.100 I

01:04:24.760 I

01:04:24.940 loved

01:04:25.280 being

01:04:26.140 out

01:04:26.300 there

01:04:26.420 and

01:04:26.580 I

01:04:26.800 met

01:04:27.220 Elon

01:04:27.500 Musk

01:04:27.800 who

01:04:28.160 I've

01:04:28.400 never

01:04:28.620 met

01:04:28.840 before

01:04:29.200 it

01:04:29.840 was

01:04:29.980 very

01:04:30.400 cool

01:04:30.680 he

01:04:30.860 is

01:04:31.020 truly

01:04:31.380 larger

01:04:31.760 than

01:04:32.000 life

01:04:32.320 he

01:04:32.520 came

01:04:33.100 backstage

01:04:33.460 and

01:04:33.840 it's

01:04:34.000 like

01:04:34.200 oh my

01:04:34.560 god

01:04:34.800 it's

01:04:35.020 like

01:04:35.140 the

01:04:35.300 seas

01:04:35.520 parting

01:04:35.880 you

01:04:36.060 know

01:04:36.160 there's

01:04:36.380 Elon

01:04:36.640 and

01:04:37.800 we

01:04:38.120 had

01:04:38.220 a

01:04:38.300 very

01:04:38.440 nice

01:04:38.640 exchange

01:04:39.080 I

01:04:39.440 said

01:04:39.800 I

01:04:40.760 shook

01:04:40.920 his hand

01:04:41.260 and I

01:04:41.500 said

01:04:41.660 thank

01:04:41.920 you

01:04:42.140 for

01:04:42.460 saving

01:04:42.960 free

01:04:43.580 speech

01:04:43.880 in

01:04:44.000 America

01:04:44.340 and

01:04:45.020 he

01:04:45.160 said

01:04:45.440 same

01:04:46.020 to

01:04:46.220 you

01:04:46.520 which

01:04:47.060 was

01:04:47.180 very

01:04:47.440 sweet

01:04:47.860 but

01:04:48.940 man

01:04:49.200 he

01:04:49.340 really

01:04:49.600 has

01:04:50.040 he

01:04:50.440 really

01:04:50.960 has

01:04:51.440 think

01:04:51.940 about

01:04:52.140 all

01:04:52.260 the

01:04:52.380 things

01:04:52.560 we

01:04:52.700 can

01:04:52.820 talk

01:04:53.020 about

01:04:53.220 now

01:04:53.440 in

01:04:53.640 an

01:04:54.500 honest

01:04:54.860 way

01:04:55.180 that

01:04:55.820 we

01:04:55.940 couldn't

01:04:56.640 before

01:04:57.080 he

01:04:57.280 took

01:04:57.460 over

01:04:57.780 Twitter

01:04:58.320 now

01:04:58.740 X

01:04:59.040 I'm

01:04:59.500 sincerely

01:05:00.560 grateful

01:05:00.900 to

01:05:01.100 him

01:05:01.260 I'm

01:05:01.460 sure

01:05:01.640 you

01:05:01.820 know

01:05:01.980 why

01:05:02.260 I'm

01:05:02.440 sure

01:05:02.540 you

01:05:02.640 can

01:05:02.760 feel

01:05:02.920 it

01:05:03.040 too

01:05:03.200 and

01:05:04.200 then

01:05:04.400 last

01:05:04.700 Thursday

01:05:05.220 I

01:05:05.780 completed

01:05:06.140 my

01:05:06.380 nationwide

01:05:06.900 tour

01:05:07.220 in

01:05:08.380 Kansas

01:05:08.740 City

01:05:08.980 Missouri

01:05:09.220 with

01:05:09.960 my

01:05:10.100 pal

01:05:10.360 Tucker

01:05:10.660 Carlson

01:05:11.180 he's

01:05:11.860 got a

01:05:12.120 live

01:05:12.300 tour

01:05:12.500 right

01:05:12.760 now

01:05:13.020 and

01:05:13.760 asked

01:05:14.000 me

01:05:14.140 to

01:05:14.360 join

01:05:14.700 him

01:05:14.980 in

01:05:15.320 Kansas

01:05:15.580 City

01:05:15.860 and

01:05:16.100 I

01:05:16.220 was

01:05:16.380 happy

01:05:16.840 to

01:05:17.020 do

01:05:17.160 it

01:05:17.260 I

01:05:17.380 met

01:05:17.600 so

01:05:18.280 many

01:05:18.620 great

01:05:19.000 people

01:05:19.380 oh

01:05:19.740 my

01:05:19.920 gosh

01:05:20.180 normally

01:05:20.880 you

01:05:21.040 do

01:05:21.300 the

01:05:21.480 photo

01:05:21.800 line

01:05:22.280 and

01:05:22.560 sometimes

01:05:24.020 they

01:05:24.260 push

01:05:24.500 you

01:05:24.640 through

01:05:24.780 those

01:05:24.980 things

01:05:25.140 so

01:05:25.340 fast

01:05:25.640 that

01:05:25.820 it

01:05:26.220 isn't

01:05:26.480 fun

01:05:26.720 for

01:05:26.900 anybody

01:05:27.240 it's

01:05:27.440 not

01:05:27.560 fun

01:05:27.700 for

01:05:27.840 them

01:05:28.080 but

01:05:29.040 it

01:05:29.440 it

01:05:30.160 was

01:05:30.440 so

01:05:30.880 fun

01:05:31.320 I

01:05:31.720 loved

01:05:32.380 the

01:05:32.640 photo

01:05:32.900 line

01:05:33.360 I

01:05:34.060 love

01:05:34.460 talking

01:05:34.820 to

01:05:34.980 Tucker

01:05:35.240 he

01:05:35.780 is

01:05:36.000 such

01:05:36.200 an

01:05:36.360 interesting

01:05:36.660 interviewer

01:05:37.200 he

01:05:37.320 goes

01:05:37.620 to

01:05:37.820 you

01:05:38.200 never

01:05:38.380 know

01:05:38.540 where

01:05:38.640 he's

01:05:38.740 going

01:05:38.840 to

01:05:38.900 go

01:05:39.060 and

01:05:39.500 I

01:05:39.600 think

01:05:39.760 he

01:05:39.900 thinks

01:05:40.120 the

01:05:40.280 chaos

01:05:40.620 of

01:05:40.840 the

01:05:40.940 whole

01:05:41.100 thing

01:05:41.360 adds

01:05:41.720 to

01:05:41.880 it

01:05:42.000 which

01:05:42.160 I

01:05:42.260 think

01:05:42.460 is

01:05:42.780 true

01:05:43.120 it's

01:05:43.520 you

01:05:43.680 know

01:05:43.740 we

01:05:43.840 had

01:05:44.020 thousands

01:05:44.900 and

01:05:45.140 thousands

01:05:45.380 of

01:05:45.560 people

01:05:45.760 there

01:05:46.120 it

01:05:47.940 went

01:05:48.080 over

01:05:48.200 big

01:05:48.460 and

01:05:48.640 had

01:05:48.880 a lot

01:05:49.080 of

01:05:49.160 viral

01:05:49.380 clips

01:05:49.680 that

01:05:49.800 maybe

01:05:49.980 you

01:05:50.120 saw

01:05:50.380 but

01:05:50.660 loved

01:05:51.380 being

01:05:51.600 together

01:05:51.920 again

01:05:52.180 it

01:05:52.320 was

01:05:52.460 particularly

01:05:52.840 fun

01:05:53.220 to

01:05:53.340 be

01:05:53.500 sort

01:05:53.720 of

01:05:53.840 on

01:05:54.480 the

01:05:54.620 outside

01:05:55.080 together

01:05:55.560 here's

01:05:56.040 a bit

01:05:56.200 of

01:05:56.260 that

01:05:56.380 one

01:05:56.600 I

01:05:56.980 come

01:05:57.160 here

01:05:57.260 and

01:05:57.340 I was

01:05:57.460 like

01:05:57.560 are you

01:05:57.800 going to

01:05:57.940 ask her

01:05:58.160 about

01:05:58.300 Taylor

01:05:58.480 Swift

01:05:58.800 I've

01:06:00.240 got

01:06:00.360 thoughts

01:06:00.700 screw

01:06:03.500 you

01:06:03.780 Taylor

01:06:04.080 Swift

01:06:04.480 she

01:06:07.220 turns

01:06:07.540 around

01:06:07.940 not only

01:06:09.500 does she

01:06:09.800 pick a

01:06:10.120 side

01:06:10.440 in a

01:06:11.080 hotly

01:06:11.400 contested

01:06:11.840 presidential

01:06:12.280 election

01:06:12.800 alienating

01:06:13.860 at least

01:06:14.160 half

01:06:14.440 of her

01:06:14.660 fan

01:06:14.920 base

01:06:15.220 but

01:06:16.200 she

01:06:16.360 says

01:06:16.680 the

01:06:16.880 reason

01:06:17.380 she's

01:06:17.900 voting

01:06:18.160 for

01:06:18.400 Kamala

01:06:18.720 Harris

01:06:19.160 is

01:06:21.380 LGBTQ

01:06:22.740 stance

01:06:24.180 do

01:06:26.560 you

01:06:26.780 know

01:06:27.240 what

01:06:27.720 Tim

01:06:28.000 Walls

01:06:28.400 has

01:06:28.600 done

01:06:28.980 on

01:06:29.520 the

01:06:29.640 LGBTQ

01:06:30.180 front

01:06:30.700 Tim

01:06:31.640 let me

01:06:32.700 tell you

01:06:33.200 what's

01:06:33.540 going to

01:06:33.740 happen

01:06:34.020 okay

01:06:34.720 here's

01:06:35.200 what's

01:06:35.380 going

01:06:35.500 to

01:06:35.580 happen

01:06:35.860 a

01:06:36.720 little

01:06:37.140 girl

01:06:37.580 sitting

01:06:38.340 in

01:06:38.640 Wisconsin

01:06:39.140 who's

01:06:40.460 maybe

01:06:40.780 on the

01:06:41.140 spectrum

01:06:41.540 maybe

01:06:42.380 has

01:06:42.640 acne

01:06:43.120 maybe

01:06:43.680 is

01:06:43.840 a little

01:06:43.980 heavy

01:06:44.240 set

01:06:44.640 maybe

01:06:45.480 feels

01:06:45.760 upset

01:06:46.040 because

01:06:46.180 the

01:06:46.280 parents

01:06:46.480 are

01:06:46.580 getting

01:06:46.700 divorced

01:06:47.080 something

01:06:47.360 like

01:06:47.600 that

01:06:47.880 is

01:06:48.840 going

01:06:49.120 to

01:06:49.420 find

01:06:49.740 herself

01:06:50.040 down

01:06:50.320 a

01:06:50.620 rabbit

01:06:50.860 hole

01:06:51.060 on

01:06:51.340 reddit

01:06:51.680 and

01:06:52.560 her

01:06:52.680 parents

01:06:52.960 aren't

01:06:53.120 going

01:06:53.220 to

01:06:53.280 know

01:06:53.460 because

01:06:53.700 they're

01:06:53.880 getting

01:06:53.980 a

01:06:54.080 divorce

01:06:54.360 and

01:06:54.600 they're

01:06:54.720 not

01:06:54.860 focused

01:06:55.120 on

01:06:55.280 her

01:06:55.360 right

01:06:55.520 now

01:06:55.720 and

01:06:55.960 she's

01:06:56.140 going

01:06:56.240 to

01:06:56.280 spend

01:06:56.440 hour

01:06:56.760 after

01:06:57.000 hour

01:06:57.260 on

01:06:57.460 that

01:06:57.600 thing

01:06:57.820 and

01:06:58.200 reddit

01:06:58.700 is

01:06:58.820 going

01:06:58.920 to

01:06:59.020 tell her

01:06:59.320 she's

01:06:59.600 actually

01:06:59.900 a

01:07:00.100 boy

01:07:00.320 and

01:07:01.320 she's

01:07:01.540 going

01:07:01.620 to

01:07:01.680 get

01:07:01.800 sucked

01:07:02.120 into

01:07:02.360 this

01:07:02.580 gender

01:07:02.920 cult

01:07:03.320 and

01:07:04.120 she's

01:07:04.320 going

01:07:04.400 to say

01:07:04.580 mom

01:07:04.820 and dad

01:07:05.160 I want

01:07:05.480 puberty

01:07:05.820 blockers

01:07:06.260 and cross

01:07:06.680 sex

01:07:06.880 hormones

01:07:07.200 which

01:07:07.480 will

01:07:07.640 sterilize

01:07:08.300 her

01:07:08.500 and

01:07:09.340 deprive

01:07:09.660 her

01:07:09.800 of

01:07:09.940 all

01:07:10.160 sexual

01:07:10.540 pleasure

01:07:10.900 for

01:07:11.080 the rest

01:07:11.340 of

01:07:11.440 her

01:07:11.540 life

01:07:11.780 and

01:07:12.940 they're

01:07:13.080 going

01:07:13.180 to

01:07:13.260 say

01:07:13.420 no

01:07:13.740 you're

01:07:14.540 a

01:07:14.660 girl

01:07:14.860 and

01:07:15.220 she's

01:07:15.400 going

01:07:15.500 to

01:07:15.560 say

01:07:15.680 but

01:07:15.820 I

01:07:15.940 want

01:07:16.080 top

01:07:16.780 surgery

01:07:17.220 this

01:07:17.500 benign

01:07:17.880 thing

01:07:18.220 this

01:07:19.000 double

01:07:19.300 mastectomy

01:07:19.820 where I'll

01:07:20.120 have tubes

01:07:20.520 coming out

01:07:20.920 of me

01:07:21.080 and I'll

01:07:21.260 never

01:07:21.440 breastfeed

01:07:21.840 a

01:07:21.980 child

01:07:22.160 I

01:07:22.320 want

01:07:22.540 that

01:07:22.720 too

01:07:22.980 because

01:07:23.340 I'm

01:07:23.440 a

01:07:23.560 boy

01:07:23.780 and

01:07:24.260 they're

01:07:24.400 going

01:07:24.480 to

01:07:24.560 say

01:07:24.720 no

01:07:25.040 and

01:07:25.940 she's

01:07:26.180 going

01:07:26.280 to

01:07:26.400 go

01:07:26.600 to

01:07:26.820 a

01:07:27.020 judge

01:07:27.300 in

01:07:27.580 Minnesota

01:07:28.360 and

01:07:29.620 because

01:07:29.900 of

01:07:30.120 Tim

01:07:30.380 Walls

01:07:30.940 the

01:07:31.580 court

01:07:31.800 will

01:07:32.000 take

01:07:32.460 custody

01:07:33.100 of

01:07:33.340 her

01:07:33.560 use

01:07:34.580 the

01:07:34.720 Medicaid

01:07:35.000 funds

01:07:35.320 in

01:07:35.480 Minnesota

01:07:35.840 to

01:07:36.360 provide

01:07:37.120 her

01:07:37.320 all

01:07:37.960 of

01:07:38.120 those

01:07:38.340 things

01:07:38.720 chop

01:07:39.320 off

01:07:39.540 her

01:07:39.700 breasts

01:07:40.100 sterilize

01:07:40.940 her

01:07:41.060 with

01:07:41.200 the

01:07:41.300 puberty

01:07:41.540 blockers

01:07:41.920 and the

01:07:42.160 cross

01:07:42.420 sex

01:07:42.620 hormones

01:07:43.020 and

01:07:43.540 when

01:07:43.760 this

01:07:43.980 girl

01:07:44.220 inevitably

01:07:44.760 comes

01:07:45.080 to

01:07:45.200 the

01:07:45.340 conclusion

01:07:45.700 that

01:07:45.940 she

01:07:46.040 didn't

01:07:46.280 want

01:07:46.500 any

01:07:46.740 of

01:07:46.880 this

01:07:47.100 that

01:07:47.500 it

01:07:47.620 only

01:07:47.820 added

01:07:48.200 to

01:07:48.360 her

01:07:48.500 problems

01:07:48.920 which

01:07:49.160 were

01:07:49.340 the

01:07:49.500 divorce

01:07:49.860 and

01:07:56.600 because

01:07:56.820 of

01:07:56.980 Tim

01:07:57.180 Walls

01:07:57.640 that's

01:07:58.160 what

01:07:58.300 Minnesota

01:07:58.660 is

01:07:59.020 doing

01:07:59.260 right

01:07:59.480 now

01:07:59.660 to

01:07:59.780 little

01:07:59.980 girls

01:08:00.240 and

01:08:00.380 boys

01:08:00.620 taking

01:08:01.080 custody

01:08:01.520 away

01:08:01.940 from

01:08:02.280 the

01:08:02.440 parents

01:08:02.740 so

01:08:02.920 that

01:08:03.080 they

01:08:03.260 can

01:08:03.440 have

01:08:03.800 these

01:08:03.980 procedures

01:08:04.360 without

01:08:04.660 any

01:08:05.020 loving

01:08:05.280 parent

01:08:05.600 there

01:08:05.880 to

01:08:06.400 help

01:08:06.680 and

01:08:07.360 that's

01:08:07.740 what

01:08:07.920 Taylor

01:08:08.320 Swift

01:08:08.820 just endorsed

01:08:09.740 for

01:08:10.080 your

01:08:10.380 children

01:08:10.820 so

01:08:11.560 screw

01:08:12.000 you

01:08:12.480 Taylor

01:08:13.160 Swift

01:08:13.820 you were

01:08:14.300 describing

01:08:14.680 how rich

01:08:15.200 Taylor

01:08:15.500 Swift

01:08:15.780 is

01:08:16.300 why

01:08:17.700 isn't

01:08:17.960 she

01:08:18.140 happy

01:08:18.560 good

01:08:19.500 question

01:08:19.900 I mean

01:08:21.180 listen

01:08:21.440 there's

01:08:22.280 what is

01:08:22.820 she like

01:08:23.120 32

01:08:23.480 I don't

01:08:23.740 know

01:08:23.860 what

01:08:23.980 she

01:08:24.080 is

01:08:24.200 she's

01:08:24.700 young

01:08:25.060 she's

01:08:25.900 never

01:08:26.060 had a

01:08:26.280 relationship

01:08:26.620 that works

01:08:27.060 she makes

01:08:27.420 a lot

01:08:27.620 of money

01:08:27.860 off of

01:08:28.860 writing

01:08:29.100 about it

01:08:29.580 that could

01:08:30.920 be part

01:08:31.180 of the

01:08:31.320 problem

01:08:31.660 for the

01:08:33.380 reasons

01:08:33.600 you were

01:08:33.820 just

01:08:33.980 discussing

01:08:34.400 when you

01:08:35.320 find

01:08:35.560 true

01:08:35.800 love

01:08:36.120 when you

01:08:36.360 have

01:08:36.480 somebody

01:08:36.740 who

01:08:36.900 loves

01:08:37.160 you

01:08:37.320 unconditionally

01:08:38.000 warts

01:08:39.240 and all

01:08:39.600 that's

01:08:40.700 everything

01:08:41.100 and she

01:08:41.820 hasn't

01:08:42.060 been able

01:08:42.280 to find

01:08:42.640 it

01:08:42.760 she's

01:08:42.980 made

01:08:43.120 a lot

01:08:43.300 of

01:08:43.420 money

01:08:43.600 off

01:08:43.840 of

01:08:43.980 it

01:08:44.140 and

01:08:44.840 I

01:08:44.960 think

01:08:45.120 she

01:08:45.260 travels

01:08:45.560 from

01:08:46.160 city

01:08:46.500 to

01:08:46.700 city

01:08:47.000 without

01:08:47.500 the

01:08:48.260 grounding

01:08:48.640 that

01:08:48.880 you

01:08:49.000 have

01:08:49.220 that

01:08:49.380 I

01:08:49.520 have

01:08:49.760 that

01:08:49.900 hopefully

01:08:50.140 all

01:08:50.320 of

01:08:50.420 you

01:08:50.540 have

01:08:50.880 and

01:08:51.740 maybe

01:08:51.940 she's

01:08:52.160 feeling

01:08:52.400 untethered

01:08:53.000 maybe

01:08:53.720 she's

01:08:53.920 feeling

01:08:54.120 empty

01:08:54.420 and

01:08:54.580 lost

01:08:54.900 and

01:08:55.200 maybe

01:08:55.500 she

01:08:55.740 wants

01:08:55.940 other

01:08:56.220 people

01:08:56.540 to

01:08:56.740 make

01:08:56.900 similar

01:08:57.440 decisions

01:08:58.120 in life

01:08:58.560 as

01:08:58.720 she

01:08:58.900 has

01:08:59.280 by the

01:09:01.220 way

01:09:01.340 she's

01:09:01.540 34

01:09:01.860 years

01:09:02.120 old

01:09:02.340 that

01:09:04.520 whole

01:09:04.700 thing

01:09:04.880 is

01:09:05.000 just

01:09:05.120 so

01:09:05.300 annoying

01:09:05.560 that

01:09:05.740 still

01:09:06.160 brings

01:09:06.540 up

01:09:06.740 something

01:09:07.020 for

01:09:07.220 me

01:09:07.360 just

01:09:07.580 what

01:09:08.080 Tim

01:09:08.300 Walss

01:09:08.580 is

01:09:08.700 doing

01:09:08.980 what

01:09:09.200 Minnesota

01:09:09.600 is

01:09:09.760 doing

01:09:10.000 and

01:09:10.200 it's

01:09:10.340 not

01:09:10.520 just

01:09:10.700 Minnesota

01:09:11.140 it's

01:09:11.480 just

01:09:11.720 dark

01:09:12.400 dark

01:09:13.500 dark

01:09:13.800 dark

01:09:14.160 give

01:09:14.400 me

01:09:14.600 a

01:09:15.040 break

01:09:15.360 on

01:09:15.620 your

01:09:15.760 stupid

01:09:16.100 joy

01:09:16.580 message

01:09:17.080 you're

01:09:17.900 not

01:09:18.020 causing

01:09:18.300 joy

01:09:18.740 for

01:09:19.120 the

01:09:19.240 kids

01:09:19.500 who are

01:09:19.940 going to

01:09:20.060 get

01:09:20.200 caught up

01:09:21.340 in

01:09:22.380 Minnesota

01:09:22.920 because

01:09:23.260 of

01:09:23.440 you

01:09:23.600 so

01:09:24.420 God

01:09:24.940 bless

01:09:25.120 Tucker

01:09:25.380 he talks

01:09:25.820 about

01:09:26.080 everything

01:09:26.840 had

01:09:27.560 some

01:09:27.700 interesting

01:09:27.940 moments

01:09:28.260 on

01:09:28.520 Jeffrey

01:09:29.020 Epstein

01:09:29.500 and

01:09:30.660 just

01:09:31.340 such

01:09:31.580 a

01:09:31.740 kind

01:09:32.300 and

01:09:32.540 generous

01:09:32.960 man

01:09:33.440 great

01:09:34.720 to see

01:09:35.020 him

01:09:35.120 again

01:09:35.340 we've

01:09:35.560 had

01:09:35.720 a

01:09:35.940 long

01:09:36.140 history

01:09:36.440 we

01:09:36.620 talked

01:09:36.820 a

01:09:36.940 little

01:09:37.040 bit

01:09:37.200 about

01:09:40.340 first

01:09:40.640 kind

01:09:40.880 of

01:09:41.040 got

01:09:41.300 to

01:09:41.400 know

01:09:41.500 each

01:09:41.660 other

01:09:41.860 and

01:09:42.080 what

01:09:42.820 our

01:09:42.940 experience

01:09:43.280 was

01:09:43.520 at

01:09:43.800 that

01:09:45.840 place

01:09:46.160 we

01:09:46.560 used

01:09:46.780 to

01:09:46.920 work

01:09:47.200 at

01:09:48.840 every

01:09:49.080 stop

01:09:49.460 folks

01:09:49.820 mention

01:09:50.180 the

01:09:50.360 success

01:09:50.760 of

01:09:51.060 this

01:09:51.280 show

01:09:51.620 and

01:09:51.880 that

01:09:52.080 is

01:09:52.220 all

01:09:52.820 thanks

01:09:53.460 to

01:09:53.620 you

01:09:53.780 guys

01:09:54.040 I'm

01:09:54.760 so

01:09:55.420 grateful

01:09:55.780 to

01:09:56.000 you

01:09:56.120 and

01:09:56.200 my

01:09:56.360 team

01:09:56.660 is

01:09:56.820 to

01:09:57.140 got

01:09:57.960 to

01:09:58.120 see

01:09:58.320 them

01:09:58.600 out

01:09:58.880 at

01:09:59.020 the

01:09:59.120 all

01:09:59.320 in

01:09:59.500 summit

01:09:59.780 we

01:09:59.980 all

01:10:00.200 we

01:10:00.500 all

01:10:00.640 went

01:10:00.780 a

01:10:00.880 bunch

01:10:01.040 of

01:10:01.140 us

01:10:01.220 not

01:10:01.340 all

01:10:01.500 of

01:10:01.560 us

01:10:01.660 but

01:10:01.800 some

01:10:02.040 of

01:10:02.160 us

01:10:02.240 went

01:10:02.380 out

01:10:02.480 there

01:10:02.660 and

01:10:03.020 it

01:10:03.240 was

01:10:03.340 so

01:10:03.520 fun

01:10:03.840 we

01:10:04.300 talked

01:10:04.520 about

01:10:04.680 how much

01:10:04.920 the

01:10:05.020 audience

01:10:05.280 means

01:10:05.640 not

01:10:06.340 just

01:10:06.500 to

01:10:06.640 me

01:10:06.800 but

01:10:06.940 to

01:10:07.020 my

01:10:07.180 producers

01:10:07.540 too

01:10:07.880 they

01:10:08.080 know

01:10:08.280 you're

01:10:08.500 out

01:10:08.680 there

01:10:08.900 they

01:10:09.100 know

01:10:09.420 like

01:10:09.660 we

01:10:10.140 all

01:10:10.500 have

01:10:10.780 an

01:10:10.920 image

01:10:11.160 of

01:10:11.320 who

01:10:11.520 we're

01:10:11.920 writing

01:10:12.900 for

01:10:13.240 and

01:10:13.420 producing

01:10:13.840 for

01:10:14.280 and

01:10:14.580 anchoring

01:10:15.080 for

01:10:15.520 and

01:10:16.600 to

01:10:16.880 see

01:10:17.160 you

01:10:17.420 in

01:10:18.020 person

01:10:18.380 like

01:10:18.640 I

01:10:18.740 got

01:10:18.900 to

01:10:19.100 at

01:10:19.300 the

01:10:19.620 Kansas

01:10:20.080 city

01:10:20.300 Missouri

01:10:20.600 event

01:10:21.140 and

01:10:21.700 at

01:10:21.860 the

01:10:21.980 all

01:10:22.200 in

01:10:22.320 event

01:10:22.680 that

01:10:24.020 was

01:10:24.180 really

01:10:24.360 special

01:10:24.860 gosh

01:10:25.580 I

01:10:25.700 mentioned

01:10:25.960 this

01:10:26.120 the

01:10:26.220 other

01:10:26.320 day

01:10:26.460 but

01:10:26.600 just

01:10:26.780 to

01:10:26.920 actually

01:10:27.200 touch

01:10:28.220 hands

01:10:28.660 with

01:10:29.380 the

01:10:29.540 folks

01:10:29.720 who

01:10:29.840 are

01:10:29.980 listening

01:10:30.360 and

01:10:30.540 watching

01:10:30.820 to

01:10:31.100 hug

01:10:31.680 some

01:10:32.220 of

01:10:32.300 the

01:10:32.380 folks

01:10:32.560 who

01:10:32.660 are

01:10:32.700 listening

01:10:32.960 and

01:10:33.140 watching

01:10:33.420 was

01:10:34.280 really

01:10:34.480 gratifying

01:10:35.060 I

01:10:35.840 feel

01:10:36.060 the

01:10:36.160 connection

01:10:36.380 to

01:10:36.580 you

01:10:36.740 in

01:10:36.860 the

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 18, 2024

Bombshell Diddy Charges, and ＂Dating Game Killer,＂ with Matt Murphy, Plus Megyn on Tucker, Shawn Ryan, All-In ｜ Ep. 891

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