00:09:24.920The station also reports that this holdout altogether.
00:09:28.640Now, juror later had a restraining order
00:09:32.500taken out against him by the very same nephew
00:09:34.720who is now older when he sought a restraining order.
00:09:37.780By my math, he would have been 19 when he sought it.
00:09:44.000the same guy who had called 9-1-1 against him years earlier, and that that restraining order appears to still be active.
00:09:50.900So what we have is a juror with an allegation, uncharged, several years ago of allegedly hurting his wife.
00:10:01.460The wife didn't testify. The wife said she was afraid she was going to lose custody.
00:10:05.540That does happen all the time in domestic violence cases.
00:10:08.040I'm not saying he's guilty, but I'm saying that pattern would fit.
00:10:12.700nonetheless, it was many years ago, I think six, six years ago. And the only current charge
00:10:22.280is the nephew alleging, hold on, that he got a restraining order recently after the juror
00:10:33.820pushed him to the ground and repeatedly punched him in the face. The teen wrote in his affidavit
00:10:38.720that his uncle then said, you ruined my blanking life, and this is a reference to what had happened
00:10:44.300six years earlier when the nephew called the police on him after he allegedly beat his wife,
00:10:51.100and that the juror said, you've had this coming your way for a long time. That restraining order
00:10:56.180was still active when the juror was selected for the Clancy trial and listened to the evidence.
00:11:01.760Now, there is a question about whether somebody with an active restraining order against them, never mind the earlier allegation, it was just an allegation that resulted in the charge that that was dropped, would be bounced by any prosecutor or defense attorney in a case like this.
00:11:27.000I don't think it actually prohibits you from being able to serve, although I'm not sure about that, to be honest.
00:11:34.120I'd have to go back and check the ethical rules.
00:11:36.700But an act of restraining order, to me, seems like something that would lead one side or the other to bounce you.
00:11:43.660Probably the prosecution, because they'd say he's anti-law enforcement.
00:11:48.140In this particular case, you would have been wrong if you placed that bet, but whatever, I'm just game playing it out in my head.
00:11:54.940there could be. The NBC Boston legal analyst said, I don't see how they would have allowed him to
00:12:01.640become a member of this jury. And that's a Boston chief legal analyst, Michael Coyne.
00:12:07.440So it doesn't appear that even he, who seems to be, I would assume, more familiar with the Boston
00:12:12.660rules of court there, is saying it would have been a must-bounce situation, but rather in the
00:12:19.380prerogative of the lawyers. Now, they also are reporting that the standard juror questionnaire
00:12:25.280in Massachusetts will ask if someone's been arrested, charged with a crime, or has been
00:12:31.320served with a court order. Of course, we know that. And that those boxes should have been
00:12:36.400checked by this juror. But there's a thing with juror questionnaires. You see, they're not public
00:12:41.740records. And so it's unclear if the document in question is still available. It would be up to
00:12:49.060counsel to hold on to them or destroy them. So I imagine the counsel has them because as we just
00:12:56.560went through on MK Confidential, which is our new crime series, it's been airing Monday through
00:13:00.640Friday at 9 p.m. on both YouTube and podcast. We just went through this in the Mark Garrago's
00:13:06.560representation of Scott Peterson, where what happened in that case was one of the jurors,
00:13:12.000strawberry shortcake, Rochelle Neese, she found him guilty. After the fact, she was having real
00:13:18.580like emotional problems. And her counselor told her to start writing letters to Scott Peterson
00:13:23.520and Jill. It was a bad advice. So she did. She wrote something like 17 letters and he started
00:13:31.680writing her back and then somebody did a story on it. And now suddenly the defense lawyers for
00:13:38.120Scott Peterson and the appellate team got very interested in this woman. She was admitting to
00:13:41.780all sorts of issues in her past, psychological and otherwise. And now they want to know more
00:13:47.480about Rochelle. And I believe in the course of that, either in those letters, or she said
00:13:52.300something in those letters that made them go check. And it turned out she had been the victim
00:13:55.900of a crime. She had allegedly been harassed by her boyfriend's ex-girlfriend and had taken out
00:14:02.440a restraining order on her while Rochelle was pregnant. So here's a pregnant woman who's
00:14:08.200suffering the threat of violence indirectly as a result of her boyfriend, you know, the boyfriend's
00:14:14.660ex-girlfriend. But, you know, you can see the parallels and why potentially a defense lawyer
00:14:19.920for Scott Peterson might not want her on the jury, but it wasn't disclosed by her. This turned out
00:14:25.700in this turned into a juror issue like misconduct issue that is still open in the case. It's still
00:14:32.220not totally resolved. The Innocence Project of L.A. has taken up the matter and is trying to press
00:14:36.600that one on appeal. So not disclosing your connections with law enforcement along those
00:14:45.640lines can be very problematic. I don't know whether this guy disclosed or didn't, but the
00:14:51.040fact that we're even discussing this, not because the juror revealed something potentially problematic,
00:14:59.060et cetera, but because the other jurors didn't like his verdict is insane and deeply amoral.
00:15:08.020And we should not be doing this, NBC Boston. We should not be doing this. And by the way,
00:15:15.080the remedy in such a case would typically be like, let's say this jury had found her
00:15:21.720not guilty by reason of insanity. And this guy, well, I guess we'll have to go with his verdict.
00:15:29.060He wanted a guilty. Let's say this guy had convinced everybody to vote guilty. He had turned all the jurors his way and they all voted guilty. But now it turns out he's got an issue in his past. You could potentially, I mean, the remedy would be the Kevin Reddington would be in there trying to overturn the verdict and get a new trial.
00:15:49.300Well, that's the road we're headed down anyway. So what exactly do the NBC Bostons of the world want to have happen here? That that retroactively they're going to nullify this juror and come up with the jury? That's that's not how this works.
00:16:07.160I do not know of a case in which they've resurrected a dead verdict, a verdict that was never handed down nor reached thanks to one juror.
00:16:15.660And now with all the jurors back at home, because.
00:16:21.460The typical remedy had this guy been struck from the jury during the course of the deliberations would be to then replace him with an alternate and to start at square one, not to just agree to a verdict with 11 jurors.
00:16:34.220The prosecution would not have agreed to that.
00:16:36.600Though I think they might have been able to if if Lindsey Clancy's lawyer did.
00:16:40.960So in any event, what is this all toward just to smear him, just to show that the people who supported him are bad people who they were like this one guy who outed his name in his Twitter post?
00:16:53.460It's like people have been lauding him as a hero or whatever.
00:16:58.000OK, so like obviously that was a reference to the fact that he stood up for the guilt of this woman and nobody knew anything about like as if people knew all this about him.
00:17:08.220But it's irrelevant. The point is, I call him a hero. I stand by it.
00:17:12.220It's it wasn't in his personal life when none of us knew anything about his personal life.
00:17:16.080It was for standing the line in response to that 11 person band of shrews who tried to bully him out of what we believed was the right judgment.
00:17:28.520So this is just out of control, but there's more.
00:22:27.620Wait, wait, the, the, the little dog caught its tail.
00:22:32.520When the NBC10 Boston investigators contacted the holdout jurors, family members, this is too far.
00:22:45.000I'm laughing just because it's so absurd, people.
00:22:48.280When have you ever heard of such a thing?
00:22:51.040Like, again, they're treating him like he got into the jury room and then set off a grenade, like lit a pipe bomb and hurt several jurors.
00:23:01.900That's when you contact the family members, you check the housing records, you pull up restraining orders, you contact the aggrieved nephew.
00:23:16.340They said he sat with his arms crossed and he was arrogant, said the chef, who, by the way, now we find out has her own criminal allegations in her past.
00:23:28.260Let's give them all a proctology exam.
00:23:31.080Come on. It's good for the goose. They contacted his family members who said he had been estranged
00:23:41.400with them since the incident with his nephew. None of them knew about his involvement with
00:23:46.440the Clancy trial. One family member described him as a narcissist. Oh, that just dovetails
00:23:52.940perfectly with what the bitter hen said, who she believes never should have served as a juror in
00:23:58.220such an important case. Oh, who was that family member? Could it have been the ex-wife who hates
00:24:03.240his guts? We should disclose that, NBC Boston. If you're talking to the embittered ex-wife,
00:24:09.560she should not be, quote, family member. Should be more specific than this. In the wake of those
00:24:15.100revelations, their legal analyst said he thinks the holdout jurors questionnaire will have to
00:24:21.620be reviewed by prosecutors to see if the information the juror put down was truthful.
00:26:29.120So they gave Rochelle Neese immunity, meaning we promise we're not going to prosecute you
00:26:35.320for perjury because you did not answer your jury questionnaire honestly.
00:26:39.880you put down that you had no active court proceedings or court orders, et cetera, that
00:26:45.480were active, and you did. You had this restraining order against your boyfriend's ex-girlfriend.
00:26:50.260So she had to be given immunity to give testimony on that. So now this guy's coming right out and
00:26:57.020saying, in fact, it is a crime not to do so, not to be truthful on your jury questionnaire.
00:27:04.220So now that is not once, but at least twice that some poor schlep who'd probably rather be doing anything other than jury duty has been threatened with a crime, threatened with criminal prosecution potentially for sitting his ass in the doldrums of jury duty around these other idiots getting your bland turkey sandwich for lunch every day.
00:27:33.940in your uncomfortable chairs and sitting around with a bunch of people who probably can't stand
00:27:40.760you. How is anybody going to serve jury duty after this? How is any legal case not going to
00:27:51.500get jurors who say, I'm out. I can't do it. I don't want to have happen to me what happened
00:27:57.780to this guy in the Lindsay Clancy case. I can't be fair. They already do that. You know, Matt
00:28:02.840Walsh was online. He was making a good point. He's like, people lie to get out of jury duty,
00:28:05.860not to get into it. I mean, there are some cases that people will lie to get onto. Do you really
00:28:10.820think this guy had an agenda? It's much more likely to me that the other jurors, the hens,
00:28:17.360lied to get on the jury so they could save Lindsay. And there's evidence that that was
00:28:22.580their attitude because they wanted to create social change. In fact, while I'm mentioning it,
00:28:42.880You're supposed to just judge this case for this defendant and not worry about working out your woke agenda on America while you're in the jury box.
00:28:51.740But you do you. We're going to review all the jurors behaviors. You're fair game.
00:28:57.500Here's thought twenty five when she sat with CBS Saturday morning.
00:29:00.960We knew that this was a turning point and this would be something that could change something to make it better for other women in the future, for other families.
00:29:14.840You know, justice for those children is this never happening again.
00:29:19.000Okay. So that's what you needed. You needed justice so that justice to you was this never
00:29:28.380happening again. No woman who kills her child should ever be charged, I guess, according to
00:29:34.540Paula Devlin's rules. I object. I'm here to say on behalf of the male black juror with the domestic
00:29:42.660violence allegations against him and the non-juror white woman sitting here at this anchor desk,
00:29:49.640I object. I will not go along with your system. I'm of the mind that if you kill anyone,
00:29:58.500especially your child, you should sit your ass in jail for the rest of your life.
00:30:04.760That's my back of the envelope take on our mission when someone kills her child. That's
00:30:11.920That's where I am. Paula. But, you know, you were specifically asked on voir dire if you could put your personal views aside to adjudicate this case and decided based just on the evidence, not on the social impact that you're likely to have.
00:30:29.160So how dare you throw stones at this holdout juror because you didn't have your mission right either, madam.
00:30:38.700And I say either only if her allegations against him proved to be correct, which was that he believed that he had a reasonable doubt but would not apply it, which I don't believe.
00:30:53.560All right. Sue O'Connell is the woman at NBC 10 Boston with whom the jurors sat down. And she she's the one who's on the human rights campaign board. She's been super enthusiastic about this report. She's thrilled that they've given the proctology exam to the holdout juror.
00:31:10.380She enthusiastically tweeted about it, saying, let's see, domestic violence allegations raise questions about the holdout juror on the Lindsay Clancy trial.
00:31:22.300NBC Boston exclusive with an exclamation point.
00:31:26.740She also alluded in a tweet to the fact that tips she received are what helped lead to this story.
00:31:34.880So she's got a lot of questions for this juror.
00:31:37.980She really wants to know everything about him.
00:31:39.540I'm just curious, like when she had the chance, did she really press the jurors who she did sit down with?
00:31:46.100Did she really go after them to figure out like what what what was in their past?
00:39:09.080You get you get the number of the gal who broke this story with the other jurors and was so enthusiastic about NBC Boston breaking the story about the jurors past.
00:39:21.860We did it based on tips to her, as it looks.
00:39:24.920So due to this report, they found the juror's name and someone named Talkin Strohs first released it online, fail.
00:39:36.260Then there was somebody named Aiden Kearney, who goes by at Dr. Turtle Boy, who posted it.
00:39:45.060He's a Massachusetts blogger, so presumably has some connections in Massachusetts.
00:39:50.400But in any event, he outed the name as well and really wanted you to know that while it's not illegal for anyone to report factual information about a juror in a high profile case, it is illegal to lie on a juror form.
00:40:05.320Hello, more criminal threats for the holdout juror.
00:40:09.800And he posted more about the domestic violence allegations, et cetera.
00:40:16.700he um also okay yeah oh he points out that the man is a Haitian immigrant okay he's an immigrant
00:40:26.200I thought the left doesn't want us talking about that you the hey let me make clear leftist dogma
00:40:34.180immigrants especially the ones from Haiti have only brought goodness and wellness and justice
00:41:20.000He argued in court that he was exercising his First Amendment rights.
00:41:23.820Then there was allegedly an assault charge.
00:41:28.100A woman claiming to be his ex-girlfriend says she was given a subpoena related to the investigation.
00:41:34.420They agreed that he would go to her apartment to talk about it during that time.
00:41:38.440She claims he threatened to release personal information about her as well as explicit photos of her and ultimately pushed her into a couch.
00:41:44.800The domestic assault and battery charge was later dropped, but other related witness intimidation and wiretapping legal proceedings continue to wind through Massachusetts courts.
00:41:53.940So you see this is the doxer getting doxed with information about his past because it's never ending.
00:42:58.840However, she also appears to have been an activist, he reports, that she was part of an activist group focused on freeing Karen Reed, who was a woman charged with murder in Massachusetts.
00:43:09.980She previously posted in a free Karen Reed Facebook group.
00:43:14.400Karen Reed was acquitted last year in the death of her boyfriend, Boston police officer John O'Keefe.
00:43:19.360And she posted over an out page, Massachusetts jury did their rightful duty today.
00:50:34.060that of someone close to you, call 1-866-531-2600 or visit connexontario.ca.
00:50:41.180Big news in the world of AI and politics. With the three most high-profile CEOs in the AI
00:50:48.320industry all agreeing the pace of development towards superintelligence needs to slow down
00:50:53.460for the sake of humanity. Although I have to say, our old pal David Sachs of the All In podcast and
00:51:00.540formerly the president's AI slash crypto czar, the president and Sachs are both saying,
00:51:06.460calm down, like calm down. So that made me feel a little better. How about you?
00:51:11.900Here to break it all down for us today and more are the co-authors of the new book,
00:51:17.680Simplify. Do 50% more with 50% less, which comes out tomorrow. The authors are also the
00:51:26.380co-founders of the prominent news website Axios, Jim VandeHei, Mike Allen, and Roy Schwartz.
00:51:33.480Guys, welcome to the show. Roy, the little-known Axios guy. We know Jim and we know Mike better,
00:51:39.240but welcome to the party, Roy. Thank you. They've been hiding me in a basement.
00:51:43.480But they let you out for the book, so you must be the one who does the most with the least
00:51:47.620from the title of the publication. All right, we'll get to the book in one second.
00:51:51.420Let's just spend a minute on this AI thing, because I talked to this guy, Jacob Coxon, last week for an hour, and he scared the shit out of everybody.
00:52:01.360And then I read Sachs' tweet, like, calm down.
00:55:43.600But here's what I do believe, and here's maybe where I differ, maybe with you, but certainly with David Sachs on this, which is it's not just one person.
00:55:51.600You're talking about literally scores of people inside three or four companies, all of which are funded like nation states, that are all sounding the exact same alarm that this technology is getting so fast, so good, that they don't really understand what's going to hit next.
00:56:07.400It's exceeding any internal benchmarks that any of them had, and that if you get to the point where basically AI can teach AI, you could put yourself in a scary situation where either nation states or individuals could use this technology to do things that you just couldn't do pre-AI, where any idiot who might want to spread a pathogen or shut down a grid or just wreak any other kind of havoc might have the potential to do it.
00:56:34.040So to me, I think we're going to look back with great shame if we don't very quickly figure out some way just to be able to police these companies.
00:56:42.500I don't trust a company to police itself.
00:56:44.800In capitalism, your job is to grow value.
00:56:47.360It's to win the product war, and that's what maybe they should be doing.
00:56:50.680But they're not going to police themselves in a way that puts humanity and society above themselves.
00:57:02.480that's the kind of debate we might be having if you know republicans were saying um let them
00:57:09.400police themselves and democrats are saying no get government regulation what's happening here is
00:57:13.820the companies themselves are like we need to be regulated which makes saxe's response sensible
00:57:20.660right he's like what do you say you are the people who are doing it you're in control
00:57:25.240it's sensible and it's not sensible i think he's being a little disingenuous in that if you're one
00:57:31.320of these companies, and you've raised literally hundreds of billions of dollars, and you're in a
00:57:35.040competition to create the best product, the idea that you're just going to say, you know what, me
00:57:40.040alone, I'm going to slow down, I'm going to stop building this technology. And I'm going to allow
00:57:44.760my competitors to race past me, it's too much to ask of a company. And so the idea that they would
00:57:50.560need some mechanism, maybe it's government, maybe it's not, but some mechanism to be able to make
00:57:55.660sure that that incident that we just saw a couple weeks ago, that hugging face hack, there's a lot
00:58:00.420of reality in that. Inside of that hack, there was a lot of creepy things happen if you read that
00:58:05.760report. A lot of things that were outside of like our understanding and our control. And that's
00:58:10.960what's different about this technology. I don't trust it really in the hands of anyone until we
00:58:15.860understand how it works. And this is really important to remember. There's not a single
00:58:19.680person building this technology who can tell you how it works. And that's just its basic form.
00:58:26.260Now, if they hit this thing called recursive self-improvement where AI teaches itself, you're really into uncharted territory, putting that in the hands of companies at first, but ultimately individuals.
00:58:38.200I honestly believe in 30 years of watching politics, watching technology, that this is by far and away the most important topic we're ever going to grapple with because it's the rare topic that seeks into every company, every job, every phone, and therefore every individual.
01:08:17.720Without the president, you can't do any meaningful lawmaking, any meaningful regulation.
01:08:22.960I would say the big asterisk would be that last week's a big deal.
01:08:26.400Your interview, lots of people interviewed him.
01:08:28.780I think what Dario said over the weekend, this went from like us being obsessed with
01:08:33.060it, maybe like 1% or 2% of people, to now the public being very aware of it.
01:08:37.000They already hate data centers, even though most people live nowhere near a data center.
01:08:41.240If the politics turned sour or if, God forbid, something much worse than hugging face happens,
01:08:46.700I think the backlash would be wickedly severe.
01:08:49.060And I think the Democratic Party in particular would all move towards a Bernie Sanders position that you should shut the technology down altogether.
01:08:58.480If you shut it down altogether, there is a real danger there.
01:09:02.420It is true and accurate that the Chinese are apparently behind us.
01:09:07.460It is certainly true that they're trying to build superhuman intelligence just like we are.
01:09:12.720It does seem true that if you get the superhuman intelligence, particularly the type that Dario has talked about, that would give you a decisive, potentially permanent dominance in whatever the future of warfare is.
01:09:26.740And the future of warfare is not men and women on the ground.
01:09:36.380Like that is where the world is headed.
01:09:38.720And so that's why this is an authentically very, very complex topic.
01:09:42.880It's why I wish, wish, wish that we had sort of a democracy and a free market where really smart, competent people took really difficult things seriously and tried to figure out what are the best possible things we could do in the short term.
01:09:56.280Because if you wait, there probably is a point where it's just too late.
01:09:59.760If this technology gets too good, it gets too released into the public, it's released into the wild globally, there will be a point at which we can't do anything.
01:10:08.480We wrote about it this weekend. It's not too late. There's very sensible things that you could do, including getting the smartest minds to be thinking about this, to be anticipating what are some bad outcomes. Like we knew the cyber threat before the cyber threat came. We now know the bio threat before the bio threat is here. So why not have really smart people at least gaming out what happens if those scenarios come true? And what can we do to prevent these technologies from getting in the hands of the wrong people to do the wrong thing?
01:10:38.340That seems to me sensible, but there's nothing sensible about politics.
01:10:43.060And once you just throw it into pure capitalism, which I love, I'm a massive beneficiary, I love free markets, but free markets and capitalism with zero oversight and zero regulation can end up with really bad outcomes.
01:10:55.000And I think that is a huge and imminent potential with AI.
01:11:01.920We need the Control-Alt-Delete option for AI.
01:11:08.340And what I mean by that is, okay, let's assume the bad actors are going to push this thing, program the AIs to become as intelligent, as not humanly possible, as inhumanly possible, and as quickly as possible.
01:11:25.280So they're going to race forward to this superintelligence that is potentially very dangerous.
01:11:29.740human beings still have the leg up and the computers cannot kill us all completely take
01:11:39.220over our world if there is some sort of massive unplug i really believe this if if if the
01:11:46.580existential event started to unfold then then we would start coordinating with china in the same
01:11:52.280way as you know independence day if the aliens came down from out of space suddenly the chinese
01:11:56.340would be looking a lot better to us. And there was a time, I think all four of us on the screen
01:12:03.460remember it, when we didn't have these, and we didn't have the laptops, and we didn't have
01:12:09.900satellites everywhere in the sky, and we were just sort of normal humans who really weren't
01:12:14.660that dependent on tech. And if there's a way of like, because like, what is AI? It's a computer.
01:12:20.880It's computer data that's thinking that's now linked to satellites in the sky, but they don't have to stay there in the sky.
01:12:30.700The computers don't have to stay there.
01:12:32.460Like if we had some massive control, alt, delete option, I'd feel better.
01:13:06.360I have nothing against some aspects of it.
01:13:09.440I don't use it very much, but I know a lot of people who absolutely love it.
01:13:13.120But he's been sounding the alarm on this for a long time now.
01:13:16.720He's actually been kind of jumping up and down about the dangers of this for quite some time and was one of the reasons why Anthropic folded out of open AI and was going to be the more responsible AI company, which, you know, I guess is true.
01:13:29.900But, you know, in a in an ocean full of great whites, it's like being the one that's a little nicer isn't really all that comforting.
01:13:39.360I'm not sure that's going to work for us.
01:15:37.060And so the book really talks about how to confront different areas, both in your personal life and at work, so that you can make your life simply more easy.
01:15:45.920And you're going to need that because in this world of AI, things are going to start moving really fast.
01:21:16.320We're crushed with all these emails, all these texts, all these alerts, all these obligations, all these meetings, all these things that we have to do when all we want to do is do what we want to do, make a difference, spend time with our family, enjoy our job, get some reward or recognition.
01:21:32.260I saw two posts online over the week that actually really resonated and made me laugh out loud.
01:21:38.420One was about how Gen Xers are looking at the younger generation, the Gen Zers and the young, young millennials saying the reason we're sitting at home on Friday night at eight o'clock happily and and completely contentedly is because we've done it all.
01:21:56.140We grew up in an era where we had no parents. We all lied and said we were at Michelle's house.
01:22:00.300There was no Michelle. We were out on the golf course drinking Zima's and Bartles and Jane's
01:22:05.160wine coolers and some sort of drink that was in a plastic bin that we would just dump our
01:22:10.640red Solo cups into and see where life took us. Like, we're good now. And I completely agree with
01:22:17.620that. And I thought it kind of made me feel better about my some of my things that that are on my
01:22:22.120list. But secondly, there was another chart that showed since 2020, we are staying at home in this
01:22:28.400country more than ever before, that even just as recently as 2015, we were all out of our houses a
01:22:34.460lot more than we are right now. It's like COVID flipped some switch, some agoraphobic switch,
01:22:40.520where people are staying at home too much now. And I do think, you know, apropos of some of this
01:22:46.420advice, maybe it's the Amplify, like getting out into the world is a good thing. I think it's an
01:22:53.060objectively good thing, no matter what your countenance, getting out into sunlight, into
01:22:58.560nature, next to a stream, by an ocean, all of that stuff, Roy, I think is a natural
01:23:06.080upper, right? That you can tap into. So is exercise for that matter. That can help you
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01:27:08.660I work a lot with organizations, and every one of them seems to have some type of focus, back to basics, simplification initiative that they're trying to do.
01:27:18.560But the issue that they usually have is they don't have a common language, they don't have a framework, they don't have a playbook that they can follow.
01:28:40.320But before we simplify this segment, I want to ask you about politics.
01:28:45.600This is your bread and butter and you know a lot about the subject. And President Trump was out there just this past Friday night, I think it was, with Laura Ingram making news on the heels. I got to love Trump. This is on the heels of the GOP convention for the midterms.
01:29:01.700The whole point is to generate excitement and enthusiasm for the midterms.
01:29:05.880Republicans get out there and vote. Let's do this thing.
01:29:08.840And then she asks him if he's going to be campaigning as hard as possible to make that happen.
01:29:57.420I'll block all their bad stuff for two years.
01:29:59.200It won't be the same, but I'll be a blocker.
01:30:00.860What can I tell you? And probably be able to make deals with them. You know, they're going to want some stuff and we'll get you make deals.
01:30:07.860I mean, it's one of those. So he's going to campaign, but still expected to be the same as when he was running for president.
01:30:16.400I guess I'm not surprised to hear that, Mike. I'm not sure it would have been stamped approved by Mike Johnson and the GOP.
01:30:23.020But that's Trump. No, exactly. This is back to Trump brain, which you're one of the world's leading experts on.
01:30:28.820and he kind of likes the idea that if he's not on the ballot republicans can't win and 100 this is
01:30:37.940going to be a real problem for jd vance the likely republican nominee in 2028 like president trump's
01:30:44.640going to be thinking am i more relevant if i'm an out-of-office republican with a republican in
01:30:51.600the white house and so his team has for months and months and months as you know megan from your
01:30:57.540conversations. They've been trying to get him excited about the midterms, like reminding him
01:31:03.500the real risks of a Democratic House majority with subpoena power, like a lot of his business
01:31:11.000contacts, a lot of the donors that he's close to, like those are all going to become Democratic
01:31:18.020targets, assuming a Democratic House. And Megan, you're going to love this, like behind the curtain
01:31:25.240in the Oval Office trying to convince him that he should be more involved, interested in the
01:31:32.260midterms. Someone said to him, Mr. President, what do you think you're not getting enough
01:31:37.200credit for? And so that's how they tried to frame it to get his attention, but trying to get him to
01:31:46.340care about this when Maggie Haberman estimates that most of his brainpower is going to these
01:31:54.140legacy projects, the gilding, the building, like all the things that he so relishes doing.
01:32:01.800The arc in Washington, the arc or whatever that's going to be.
01:34:52.940Trump gets exactly what you just said when he sat down with Laura Ingraham and had like the chance to message why should people be voting for Republicans in these upterm upcoming midterms.
01:35:02.960He certainly did not say the Iran war.
01:35:34.320When you look at the guy from Michigan, Abdul, when you look at some of the people that he's listened to, when you look at even maybe at a different kind of a level, look at this guy running from Texas.
01:35:45.340He looks like Tala Frico. Yeah. Well, I call him Tala Frico because he is he's a he's a freaky guy.
01:35:51.360He's got some he's got something wrong with him. OK, so if you missed it, the first word there was communism, communism.
01:35:59.200And, you know, he said that they skipped right by socialism, went for the full enchilada.
01:40:27.640But I also think we've got a lot of time between now and then where something, you know, going back to the AI conversation could really change the landscape.
01:40:37.140And I think that's the thing that we're going to have to watch for is something's going to happen.