Deep Dive： Megyn Kelly Breaks Down the Pete Hegseth Police Report and the Holes in Accuser's Story ｜ Ep. 951
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Summary
Pete Hegstaff was nominated for an Emmy this morning, but the allegations against him remain unsubstantiated. Megyn takes a deep dive into the police report, and explains why this should not affect his chances of getting an Emmy.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and this AM special episode where we take a deep dive this morning into Pete Hegstaff and the allegations against him.
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I'm just going to tell you how I'm feeling at this moment.
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I took a deep dive into the police department report involving this woman's allegations against him out in Monterey, California and I need a shower.
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It's all so seedy and gross and I wish I had not had to spend the last couple of hours doing this.
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I'm going to give you my bottom line before we get going.
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This allegation should not tank his nomination.
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It was not enough to cause the police to bring charges.
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They're not saying why, but obviously, they thought they had proof problems because they would have brought the charges otherwise.
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And it's not fair to cost him a position like this based on an unsubstantiated accusation.
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It doesn't become more substantiated because it wound up in a police report, maybe slightly more because she's at least taking the risk of, you know, potentially perjuring herself when she goes down this lane, but not much.
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But the whole thing is just so gross and what it does show, like the parts that Pete admits, just kind of gross.
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And it's brought up Pete's, I guess, Achilles heel, which is his marital relationships.
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I mean, the bottom line is he's cheated on every wife he's ever had, and he's had many.
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He's on number three and just got into the reporting about Pete, just FYI.
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So, you know, he had a first marriage that ended after he had an affair with a female or colleague.
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Then that was his first wife, Meredith Schwartz.
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They had three kids, and he cheated on her, too, with a woman who worked on Fox & Friends, which we all knew at Fox at the time.
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And that second wife, Samantha, filed for divorce.
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The divorce filing is dated one month after Pete and this Fox News producer, Jen Roche, had a child.
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So he cheated on wife number two and got the affair partner pregnant, the affair partner being the Fox & Friends producer.
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That woman had the baby, and a month later, his second wife filed for divorce.
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And she, yes, she gave birth to their child in August.
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The second wife filed for divorce, I guess it would have been September of 17.
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And while Jen Roche was home with their newborn baby, Pete went to this conference in Monterey, California in October and admits to having sex with this woman he did not know who was his handler at the conference.
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If I were a Democratic senator, I would kill him with this.
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I could, like, the cross-examination I would do at his confirmation hearing would be absolutely brutal.
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And it would include a posting he did online of himself and Jen, wife number three, in November of 17, the two of them with their arms around each other looking loving and him posting grateful.
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Now, keep in mind, in this picture, Pete knows he's been accused by this woman of rape a month earlier, whom he admits he had sex with, while Jen, here on the right, was home nursing their baby.
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And wife number two had just left him, or just, just filed for divorce.
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There is no reason in pretending otherwise because we like Pete and his anti-woke stance and what he might do for the military.
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Um, it really comes down to, does character matter for the guy leading the military?
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Do Trump's moral failings stop him from being a good commander-in-chief?
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I mean, I just don't think we're just not living in those days anymore.
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But I'm not gonna lie, you put it up, up close and, and personal in my face, and I think, oh, like, one, you can understand things went wrong.
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Even two, I don't know, he's a military vet, he went through a lot.
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That's, I almost feel like it's none of my business, to be perfectly honest with you.
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And we probably wouldn't be talking about it, like, right now on this show, if it weren't for this other allegation, which is bringing up his personal behavior.
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And I like Pete, and I considered him a friend when I was at Fox, so it feels slightly like a betrayal to even go there.
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He's been nominated for a very important position.
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I'm gonna do my job, and we're gonna go through this fairly.
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So, having read the Monterey police report, I don't believe this woman.
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I may prove to be wrong, and if I am wrong, I apologize to her for prejudging her story in a way that she'll consider unfair.
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But I just gotta be honest, I don't believe her.
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And I'm gonna walk you through why I don't believe her.
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There's just too many inconsistencies in her story.
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And we actually learned a bit more of her story, because I read it personally.
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I mean, you can see I've highlighted the whole thing and tabbed the whole thing.
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There's some things in here the mainstream media is not telling you, and we'll get to what those things are.
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Head tip, by the way, to Mediaite, which is the one that got the records first.
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The alleged rape occurred on overnight, Saturday to Sunday, October 7th, 2017.
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So let's just call it Sunday, right, the 8th, where the actual interlude occurred.
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It was not until Thursday, the 12th, that she went to the police and reported this.
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She went all day Sunday, all day Monday, all day Tuesday, all day Wednesday, and then Thursday, which is five days before she claimed it was rape and spoke with the police.
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A woman can have real fear about coming forward, especially against a public figure.
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And in the initial report, she was asking, at least when she got examined by this nurse, not to name him.
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I'll give it to you in a narrative form, as best as I can recall, before we go through the police report.
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But she's alleging that they met at, she was his handler for this conservative woman's conference where he spoke.
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And that after the fact, there was a celebration in the presidential suite, which was a bunch of suites kind of together, opened up to be together.
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And a bunch of people were there and Pete was there and was having a good time.
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I guess they met there and then they all, well, a group of them went downstairs to the Knuckles Bar in the Hyatt Regency out in Monterey.
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And she admits to having one glass of champagne.
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She was seen by multiple people there and on videotape later by police.
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And every single person says she did not appear drunk in any way or intoxicated or drugged, et cetera.
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Not at the Knuckles Bar, not when they walked from the Knuckles Bar back to Pete's room, which is what she, Jane Doe, and he did.
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That she, in fact, was seen looking completely together and smiling and locked arms with him.
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She was seen twice on camera after leaving Knuckles Bar locking arms with Pete and smiling.
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And he admitted to the police that while he says he did not have hard alcohol, he had multiple beers.
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He says consensual, but no one's disputing it happened.
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And she appears to have gotten back to his room around 2 in the morning, 2 in the morning.
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And she got back home to her hotel room in which her husband and children were staying within two hours.
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And then she went back into her marital bed in that hotel room at 4 a.m.
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What she told the police and the nurse who examined her was that the whole night was spotty.
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She started to lose memory and that she believed she may have been drugged.
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Because you're on camera walking to his room and you seemed fine.
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More than that, there was some sort of an argument between the two of you.
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She says it was over his, quote, treatment of women.
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He had been allegedly coming on to other women that night.
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At 1.30 a.m., that's what the police report says.
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This is in between Knuckles and his hotel room.
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Having an argument so loud, two different hotel guests called security about it.
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They were confronted by security of some sort, and they would later describe her as seeming totally together and not in any way intoxicated.
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And Pete would later deny that he was belligerent in any way, and he doesn't appear to remember this exchange.
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Then, right after that, they go back to his room.
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So, clearly, if she'd been slipped a Mickey, as they say, there were absolutely no effects of it at 1.30 when she was walking him, like when she left Knuckles, or at 1.30 when she was spotted by security and talked to by them.
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And she was home within two and a half hours in her marital bed.
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And, by the way, the husband told the police he did not think that she seemed, you know, dizzy or stumbling or intoxicated.
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So, it appears, by most accounts, by all accounts, this woman was sober.
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Her own is that she was somehow drugged and doesn't remember anything.
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Like, she doesn't remember when she seemed totally together, and other women who were her colleagues who saw her at Knuckles were like she was fine.
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In no place here do they allege he gave her a drink back at his room.
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Moreover, if she were drugged, the next morning you would expect she would be saying,
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Now we know why no drug test was done during the sexual assault exam.
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And in fact, what she did was attend more conference events, and she was seen at those
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conference events, and an eyewitness said she seemed perfectly fine, not even hung over.
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What Pete says is that they went back to the room.
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She didn't, he didn't totally understand why she wasn't leaving.
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She was not the target of his affections earlier in the evening.
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He admits there might have been another woman he was looking at, which jibes with some of
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the accuser's story that he was putting his hands on the leg of somebody who didn't want
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But he said he had never considered Jane Doe as a target of his affection.
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And then there she was in his hotel room, and he thinks it's coming on to him.
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And that the next thing he knew, they were, they were getting together.
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And he says, every step of the way, while there were protestations between both of them
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Pete had another woman, his girlfriend, the mother of his newborn baby back in New York.
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And she had her husband down the hole, despite that, that they proceeded anyway, and were,
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He, he remembers the talk about her asking if he had a condom and he said, no, and we
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don't have to go forward if that's a problem for you.
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And she said, it's not a problem that, uh, they did not culminate the act, shall we say
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in the fashion that would be more likely to create a baby.
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Um, but that he did sort of the old fashioned method of withdrawal.
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Um, and there's some pieces of this story that jibed too, where she says she remembers
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his dog tags when she was looking up at him and he admitted to the police, he was wearing
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Um, she, he, he, he says he remembers her saying, I'm going to tell my husband that I fell
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And, um, that has a ring of truth to me, right?
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Like that she, if she were doing, having an affair with this guy, this unexpected interlude,
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He said to the police, he could sense early signs of regret.
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And that has the ring of truth that she was in a panic, that she came up with a lie to
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tell the husband and that she left within two hours of walking into that room.
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Um, there's more, I'm going to go through it with you now.
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And you're going to be able to draw your own conclusions about whether this woman is telling
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the truth, because I'll tell you something, if Pete remains the nominee for department
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of defense, you're going to know this report like the back of your hand, because again,
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some democratic Senator is going to walk us through it live right in front of them.
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It's possible that she'll give an interview on camera.
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So it feels unfair to Pete, I've got to say, um, what appears to me to have happened is
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I mean, I guess I shouldn't be assuming he was totally with Jen Roche, who had just given
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birth to his baby, even though he had the picture over a month later on his Insta saying
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So I do think they were together, but well, okay, maybe he says they weren't, maybe she
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was just giving birth to his baby and they weren't at whatever, but, but trying to prove
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a rape where the cops did not see one proven provable, just feels grossly unfair.
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So you'll know the allegations and frankly, the weaknesses in it.
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Uh, they say in this report, which is dated October 13th, 2017, that, uh, Jane Doe was at
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the Hyatt consuming alcohol with coworkers in the early morning of 10 eight, which was that
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Sunday, uh, Doe was not sure, but believe something may have been slipped in her drink.
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She cannot remember most of the night's events later.
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She would say that it was a glass of champagne.
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She drank, uh, she remembers being in one of her coworkers, hotel rooms and, and remembers
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Doe could not remember whether or not any penetration occurred, but believe she was sexually assaulted
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Then we get a supplemental report, um, which documents the officer's contact with an ER nurse
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This person writes on 10, 12, 17, I was dispatched to a phone call for an alleged sexual assault.
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The reporting party was an ER nurse who works for Kaiser Permanente.
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The person was reporting Jane Doe had come into the ER and requested sexual assault or rape
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exam be done for something that had occurred at the Hyatt.
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Uh, this person didn't have any other information regarding the incident other than it occurred
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Again, this is 10, 12 that she went in to see the nurse for an exam, which was Thursday.
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The alleged sexual assault happened overnight, Saturday to Sunday.
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She was attending this Republican women's conference.
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Uh, she was drinking at the hotel after the conference and remembers approaching Pete
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Hegseth, who was a speaker at the convention and commented on how she did not appreciate
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Doe then remembers leaving the hospitality room and going to a hotel room.
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She sees the suspect Hegseth and remembers his dog tag necklace.
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Doe then remembers Hegseth reaching climax on her.
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Doe then found her way back to her own hotel room.
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Hegseth and Doe were at the hotel attending this conference.
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Oh, this is just repeating one of the earlier reports.
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A supplemental report, again, documenting more follow-up additional investigation and
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This person reviewed all the reports associated with this case and learned that the victim
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had reported being sexually assaulted at the Hyatt Regency, blah, blah, blah.
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Jane Doe stated she had consumed a small amount of champagne at the after party.
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Jane Doe does not remember drinking hard alcohol.
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Jane Doe stated Hegseth was at the after party.
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Several people had attended the after party and people were coming and going from suite to
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Jane Doe stated most of the members wanted to talk to her because she was an advocate and
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was very busy talking with members of the Federation.
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Jane Doe stated she remembered going to the Knuckles Sports Bar.
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She was with a group of women when she attended the bar.
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You're going to hear testimony that nobody saw her looking anything close to intoxicated
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So now she's saying things got fuzzy at Knuckles.
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Um, she remembered being at the bar with so-and-so and so-and-so and Hegseth was also there.
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Um, by so-and-so the names are black, blacked out.
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Jane Doe remembered being handed one drink by the bartender, but does not remember how many
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All she can tell us for sure is a glass of champagne and no hard alcohol.
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Jane Doe said she had consumed much more than normal alcoholic beverages throughout the
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I think as the whole day went on, she's, um, the only thing she remembers about that night
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She stated that she observed Hegseth acting inappropriately with the women at the conference,
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We think this is her husband that Hegseth was giving off a creeper vibe.
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It might've been her friend for that particular text.
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Uh, the women thought Hegseth was dreamy, not her, but women she was observing and wanted
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Jane Doe stated she had also taken a picture with him earlier in the day.
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She stated she remembered walking out of the bar and assumed Hegseth followed her because
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The argument was about Hegseth's actions with the women at the conference.
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She remembered Hegseth telling her he was a nice guy.
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I've been the guest speaker at a million of these and your handler does not argue with
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Granted, my behavior has never been even close to untoward, but this is already overly personal
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Start lecturing Pete Hegseth about his, like, he's a grown man.
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At best, she's the person who makes sure he gets into his hotel room safely.
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They do not make sure you get into your hotel room.
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The only person who does that for me is Abigail Finan because she knows I'm basically a nomad
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It's like I'm like a toddler without her if she's there.
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If she's not there, I'm a grown up and I know what to do.
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Well, in her presence, she's so much more competent than I am.
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Anyway, it's very strange to have a stranger have this kind of power and control over a grown man,
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And then arguing with him over his, the way he touched somebody's leg inappropriately?
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Um, she stated the next memory she had was when she was in an unknown room.
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She said she did not know where she was or how she got to the room.
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And Hegseth inquired to whom Jane Doe was texting.
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This is interesting because she has a text that ends mid-sentence.
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She was, that he took her phone from her hands.
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Jane Doe stated she got up and tried to leave the room, but Hegseth blocked the door with his body.
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Jane Doe stated she did not remember much else.
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Couldn't remember anything other than definitely a lot of no's, and everything was fuzzy, and he blocked the door.
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Jane Doe's next memory was when she was on a bed or a couch, and Hegseth was over her.
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She does not know if his shirt was completely off.
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She did not notice any tattoos, scars, or other marks on his body.
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We actually went back and looked because we all know Pete has a bunch of tattoos on his chest.
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That became an issue in 2021 when they gave him a hassle for being a white supremacist, allegedly, at the Biden inauguration.
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But he did not appear to have those tattoos in 2017.
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So it is consistent that when they had their interlude, he was not tatted up.
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Jane Doe stated she had seen Hegseth fully nude during the incident.
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The next memory she had was when Hegseth, I told you about that part before, he asked her, are you okay?
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The last memory she remembered was walking into her room, like back to her room, and getting into bed with blank.
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Jane Doe stated she does not remember how she got back to her room.
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Okay, so she does not remember where she was, how she got to the room.
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Though she remembers trying to leave, she remembers saying no.
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And she remembers the dog tags, him throwing a towel at her and asking, are you okay?
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Okay, then she walked to her room, she got into bed, but she doesn't remember how she got back to her room.
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Jane Doe stated she woke up in the morning and took a shower before going to work.
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The incident involving Hegseth did not dawn on Jane Doe until she was back at her home on Monday.
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There is zero chance the husband did not say to her, where were you?
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I got up out of bed to go look for you, which these texts, which I'm going to read you, show.
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You tell me, ladies, whether you're texting with your husband at 2 a.m.,
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then you magically disappear in a hotel room when you've already been telling him you're with a guy who might be like a guy who comes on to women.
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Then you come in, and the next morning he's not going to ask you where you were for those two hours.
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And by the way, he had been so worried about you, he got up and he went down to the Knuckles bar looking for you.
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It did not dawn on Jane Doe that the incident had occurred until the next day on Monday.
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Okay, this is, I'm sorry, this smells like utter bullshit.
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All of this sounds much more consistent with a woman who had a booty call, which was incredibly ill-advised for all sorts of reasons,
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not least of which was her husband was down the hall with her children, and then she went into a damn panic.
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If this woman would like to sit with me and tell me her story, I will approach it with a kind and loving and open mind.
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As I have every woman who's made accusations like this in my space and on my show.
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And I will ask her these tough questions gently and appropriately, but they will get asked.
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Okay, so here we are on Monday when the incident is now occurring to her.
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Now we think blank is her husband who doesn't get name by name in this whole thing.
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Otherwise, this whole thing took a really weird turn that wasn't highlighted appropriately.
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The sexual encounter with blank triggered her memory of the incident with Hegseth.
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Jane Doe stated that she used a condom when she had sex with blank because blank, blank, blank, blank, blank.
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We don't know why she uses a condom with her husband.
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Four days later, on Thursday night, four days after that Monday, Jane Doe went to the hospital because she believed she was sexually assaulted by Hegseth.
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Are you, is your head, is your head hurting yet?
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The husband allegedly didn't press her on where she was.
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She didn't remember anything about the incident when they woke up on, you know, later that morning on Sunday.
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She went to the conference and was seen by others looking fine and not hungover.
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She, there's some long explanation that's been blacked out.
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And then as they're having sex, it comes back to her that she was sexually assaulted by Hegseth.
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And then she waits from that Monday morning, four more days, to go in and report it, to go to the hospital.
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So, I believe, I believe she and the husband were arguing about this for the whole week and that the husband suspected her and that it got to the point where she had to, quote, prove to him by doing this.
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That's my, Megyn Kelly's supposition, not proven in here.
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She realized on Monday she'd been sexually assaulted and she sat there, like, on Monday there still could have been evidence on her.
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Even though she'd taken a shower, you never know.
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There's no explanation for, in her version, why it took so long.
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In her defense, I guess you're wrestling with, again, with the fact that this is a very well-known person.
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You're going to unleash a shitstorm in his life and yours.
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He said, she said, she's anticipating and she doesn't want the fight.
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Jane Doe stated that she had been showering daily in between the alleged sexual assault and the Thursday when she got to the hospital.
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She stated that she had, forgive me here, graphic vaginal discharge and was diagnosed with bacterial vaginosis.
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Then the nurse says, based on my training, I know that BV can be caused by having multiple sex partners or having a new sex partner.
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While at the hospital, Jane Doe had the clothes that she wore on 10-7 and appears to have given them to the police department.
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They had not been washed prior to giving them over.
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I asked Jane Doe if she had the text messages between herself and, I think, her friend or her husband, somebody.
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I asked her if she had a copy of the photo she took with Hegseth.
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And it's frustrating because we don't know who these are between.
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It looks like her husband's on the other end of these.
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But, you know, take it with an asterisk because they blacked out the name.
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The following text messages were between blank and Jane Doe.
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So this is the wee hours of Sunday after the alleged or during the alleged assault.
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We know from later in the reporting she gets back home to her hotel room with him around
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I, like, something is not right about the way they've told this story.
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Uh, and the reason, one of the reasons we think it's him is there's a text in which
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This is one of the reasons we think it's the two of them.
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He writes, still, there's not even any decisions being made.
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She responds to something that's been blacked out.
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I guess he does outnumbered in Fox and Friends.
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Anyway, our ladies, anyway, our ladies are freaking drooling over him.
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Do not have any idea who that is or whether we're supposed to know who that is.
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Um, maybe it's some creep in their real life who they don't like.
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Cause he responds, oh, you mean the man who tried to have sex with my wife?
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I mean, honestly, like what a chilling response by the husband, given what would happen later
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You know, his, his radar were up immediately just from the way she texted him.
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And, um, your instincts were spot on one way or the other, my friend.
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Um, then she sent him a picture of Pete giving his remarks.
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Then she writes, he doesn't look even remotely familiar, but apparently all the women know who
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And he responded, all the women watch Fox nonstop.
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And she wrote back, he wears a ring on his pointer finger.
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The whole next segment is blacked out, blacked out, blacked out.
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Starting to feel more sympathetic toward the woman's desire to stray.
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Then she says, okay, got to run around for a while.
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Now don't forget, he's down the hall with their kids.
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And he writes back, love you, exclamation point.
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Think we can do s'mores or shall I continue winding them down?
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It seems like an obvious reference to, do I get them hyped up on sugar or do I try to
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And she, it doesn't, it doesn't show her response.
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It moves on to a different part of the texting.
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She sends back a winky face, uh, and writes, we are on our ways and means now.
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Now there's no timestamp right above this, but right below it, it reads Sunday, 1235
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So it's just after midnight and she's texting him.
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I'm headed to the bar with the conservative women's crew, ladies missing you.
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She writes, I'll tell you about it when I get back.
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He writes a heart and then adds, holy smokes, lady.
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I don't remember the last time you were socializing at nearly 2 a.m.
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The husband's saying, what are you doing out this late?
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And then the text drops, which does correspond potentially to her saying, Pete took her phone.
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You're going to find out later that the husband got up and went down to Knuckles.
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Where he's saying, I don't remember the last time you were socializing at 2 a.m.
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She writes back a message that appears to end mid-sentence.
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We know from later in the report she got back to her hotel room at 4.
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My dumb watch was plugged in all night and it's only at 7% battery.
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And I think he says something like it's not yet an old phone.
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As of the next morning, it doesn't appear that things have blown up yet.
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And we know from Pete's testimonial, she had allegedly said she was going to tell the husband she fell asleep on the couch in a friend's room.
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On 10-7-17, Jane Doe was, okay, this is the cop having spoken with somebody, um, who was there that night.
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Blank stated he was at the Hyatt Regency with Jane Doe and he and Jane Doe are very close and wanted, oh, maybe this is, is this the husband?
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Blank provided me with the following information.
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Blank stated he was at the Hyatt Regency Hotel and Spa with Jane Doe and, blank, blank, could be the kids.
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And Jane Doe are very, Blank and Jane Doe are very close and wanted to be with his family.
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And Blank stated Jane Doe had gone to their hotel room at approximately 5 p.m. while on a break.
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Blank stated Jane Doe did not seem intoxicated.
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Jane Doe had left the room and went back to work.
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Blank stated Jane Doe was in communication with him via text messages.
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Blank stated he fell asleep and woke up on 10-8 at approximately midnight.
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They texted some more and Jane Doe told him she was at the bar and out with the woman from the conference.
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At approximately 12.30 a.m., Jane Doe stopped texting, blank.
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Blank was reading the news and it made him even more worried for Jane Doe's safety.
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At approximately 2 a.m., Blank stated he had left the room and went to look for Jane Doe at Knuckles Bar.
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Blank stated there was no one at the bar when he arrived on scene.
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My love, you've never been out close to 2 before.
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And now here's Blank telling the cops that at 2 a.m. he left the room and went to look for her.
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At approximately 4 a.m., Jane Doe arrived at their hotel room.
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This is per the husband, we assume, to the cops.
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Accessed their room on her own and used the key card reader to get in.
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Jane Doe told Blank that she must, quote, must have fallen asleep.
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Blank noticed that Jane Doe did not have a hard time walking and was not slurring her words.
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The cops are looking at text messages of the husband saying to her, you're never out this late.
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And she was seen going to Pete Hegseth's room at 1.30.
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The communication with the husband clearly ends while she's in Pete's room.
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At 1.30 on the tape, she doesn't look intoxicated.
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And here we are at 4 a.m. with a husband saying she does not look intoxicated.
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The very same story that Pete Hegseth says she told him she would tell the husband.
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The cop spoke to Pete independently, and Pete said it was consensual, and she was panicked.
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She had cheated on her husband and was going to tell him this lie.
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They're simultaneously talking to the husband who says she came in.
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That's my interpretation of him saying didn't have a hard time walking, was not slurring,
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The very same lie that she told Pete she would tell.
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On Wednesday, 10-11, Jane Doe told Blank that she was sexually assaulted.
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I mean, so now we're, now we come back Sunday morning, everything's fine, and she goes to
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the conference, and the husband, I don't know what he knew at that point.
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They have sex, and she asked him to use a condom.
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By Wednesday, or Thursday at least, she's got some sort of issue going on down south
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in Rio that later gets diagnosed as BV, which you can get when you have sex with a new partner,
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And on Wednesday, before she goes, the day before she goes to the exam, and by the way, it wasn't until, on Monday, they did it all come back to her.
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She had sex with the husband, and it came back to her.
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But it wasn't until Wednesday that she tells Blank, who we think is the husband, that she was sexually assaulted.
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On 10-18, that's Thursday now, I spoke with Jane Doe via telephone.
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Jane Doe stated she remembered, asking Hexeth if he had a condom when the incident occurred.
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Jane Doe stated she has been suffering from nightmares and memory loss since the incident.
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But, like, when you tell a story this big of a whopper, if it's not true, you can't be pinned down on the details.
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What choice do you have other than to feign you've been drugged and everything's hazy?
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Blank wanted me to know that Jane Doe would cry secretly,
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had very little energy, and out of the blue, she would cry.
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Jane Doe had also bought new clothes because she wanted to make sure that her body is completely covered.
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On 10-20, this is after she went to the hospital and the cops got involved,
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Oh, this is another huge piece of this that I haven't seen anywhere in the media.
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I asked her if she was willing to participate in a pretext phone call that involved Hegseth.
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Jane Doe stated she did not want to participate
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and stated it would be too hard for her to talk to Hegseth.
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They are asking her if she will call him up and say,
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I haven't seen that anywhere in here, by the way.
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Like, there's some inconsistencies in your story.
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And P.S., his story lines up with that of your husband's.
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Now, it is possible that a sexual assault or rape victim would not want to call this Fox News star who had allegedly raped her.
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It is also very possible that she was not raped and she knew exactly what she'd get if she tried to pull that with him on the phone.
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And that he would respond with a battery of facts of what actually happened and that you could hear.
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Because a cop listening to both sides of that conversation would know.
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They have enough training in deception detection to know.
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She refused to participate in a pretextual phone call.
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Then the cop talks about how he contacted the Hyatt to see if he could review the business camera locations.
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I found video surveillance footage that showed Jane Doe, Hegseth, and an unknown female walk into the hotel lobby and walk toward the Knuckles bar together.
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The camera timestamp was at, it was two minutes before midnight.
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Two minutes before midnight, she was walking into Knuckles bar.
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The three were walking straight and on their own.
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Okay, so here we are at midnight and she does not look visibly intoxicated.
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I showed the video of Jane Doe and Hegseth walking in the lobby.
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Blank provided me with the following information.
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Blank was working the front counter at the hotel.
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He was working the night shift at approximately 1.30 in the morning.
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Two separate guests in building four had called the front desk to complain about a couple near the pool causing a disturbance and being loud.
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This worker contacted hotel security, but hotel security was busy.
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Blank stated that he left the lobby and headed to the pool.
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Upon arrival, this worker contacted Jane Doe and Hegseth near the pool.
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The pool is located near building four and five.
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This guy stated that Hegseth began to curse at Blank when he contacted Jane Doe and Hegseth.
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Hegseth told this man that he had freedom of speech.
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Jane Doe intervened and told this worker that they were Republicans and apologized for Hegseth's actions.
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This worker stated that Jane Doe placed her hand and arm on the back of Hegseth and escorted him towards building four and five.
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The man, the worker stated he watched Hegseth and Jane Doe disappear in the area of building five and then ran back to the lobby.
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He stated Hegseth was very intoxicated and said Jane Doe was not.
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That she was standing on her own and was very coherent.
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You don't figure, you know, you got to go through these things line by line in order to really get a picture.
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1.30 in the morning, hotel worker interacts with them both and sees Pete is very intoxicated and the woman is not.
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If the shoe were on the other foot and she was the one who was very intoxicated and he was being reported by everybody as totally sober and then there'd been a sexual encounter back in that hotel room, then he would be getting charged.
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A man who has sex with a woman described in these terms, very intoxicated, out of his mind drunk, a man who has sex with a woman in that condition can be charged with rape because you can't consent when you're that intoxicated.
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I mean, this is this is dicey territory when everyone's saying he was very drunk and she wasn't at all.
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Okay, so they walked straight and on their own towards Knuckles.
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Then they were confronted an hour and a half later.
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The cop continued to search the video surveillance footage, located additional footage of them.
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They showed Jane Doe and Hegseth walking from the inner and from the exit door of Knuckles bar.
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Yeah, it was moments earlier before the pool confrontation.
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The video showed them walking together with arms locked together.
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Hegseth and Jane Doe are seen walking out of the lobby, still arms locked and headed toward the pool.
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What handler of yours have you ever locked arms with as they get you back?
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Even Abigail Fine and I do not lock the arms to get you from A to B.
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I guess this is before their fight about his inappropriate behavior with other women.
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Two hotel guests called the front desk to complain.
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And there's not a report of her looking unsteady.
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Weird choice of grammar there, but you get the picture.
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Jane Doe had provided me with this person's contact and had advised that this person was at the bar with Jane Doe.
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And this new person gave me the following info.
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She remembered witnessing Jane Doe consume a glass of champagne and some vodka at the after party.
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She stated Jane Doe did not seem intoxicated, but had a buzz.
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She stated a group of people went to Knuckles Bar after the after party.
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Part of the group included Jane Doe and Hegseth.
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Stated Jane Doe and Hegseth were in their own group of conversation while at Knuckles Bar.
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Witnessed Jane Doe and someone else flirt with Hegseth.
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The flirting consisted of touching of the body or arm.
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So this woman says she saw Jane Doe get a buzz on, drinking the champagne and possibly some vodka.
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Then she saw her flirt with Pete and began touching him, his body and or his arm.
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This would have been before she was seen locking arms with him and walking to his hotel room where she had the text with her husband.
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She did not know if Jane and Hegseth left the bar together.
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She saw Jane have one alcoholic beverage at the bar.
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She stated Jane Doe did not seem intoxicated to a point where she would not be able to care for her own safety.
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At the conference, there was the after party at the president's suite.
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This is another witness, another witness saying, OK, oh, this is a woman that Pete may have had that may have had.
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She's saying she was at the bar during her conversation with Hegseth.
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He placed his hand on the knee, made it clear that his hand on her knee was not acceptable.
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Despite the touching, this woman stated she was not uncomfortable, but stated Hegseth had invited her back to his hotel room.
00:56:23.240
She gained the attention of Jane Doe and had Jane Doe become a crotch blocker.
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A crotch blocker is a street term used to describe someone's actions used to prevent someone from having sex.
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In other words, distract him. Please get him away from me.
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By having Jane Doe join this conversation, this woman was hoping that Jane Doe's presence would detour Hegseth's attempt to have sex with her.
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The woman stated a group of people left the bar together.
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Another, she did not know if Jane Doe and Hegseth were amongst the group of people.
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She stated she did not pay attention to Hegseth and Jane Doe when she left the bar.
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She stated that Jane Doe did not look or act intoxicated when she last had contact with Jane Doe.
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This woman who he was targeting, another random woman, the hotel desk guy, the videotape surveillance.
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Nobody's seeing anybody who looks intoxicated or drugged in any way.
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And then this woman says later that morning when they were all at the conference, she attended the conference and saw Jane Doe.
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Jane Doe did not seem any different than she was normally.
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Jane Doe did not act like someone who was hungover.
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This person says at the bar, another witness, I guess.
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Hegseth engaged, this person engaged in conversation with this woman.
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Something told blank that Hegseth asked something to the effect of wanting to go back to his room.
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There was also mention of Hegseth placing his hand on the knee.
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I don't know whether this is a reference to how he behaved with this other woman.
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Pete, yeah, was obviously feeling kind of randy that night, though not necessarily for Jane Doe until he found her in his hotel room.
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This is when the cops talk to Pete and get his side of the story.
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And I've already given you the highlights, but I'll give you how they write it.
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Hegseth stated he did not drink hard alcohol but consumed beer there.
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Later that night, he started a group of individuals, stated a group of individuals went back to the hotel bar.
00:58:34.360
He remembered being led from the bar by someone, he stated.
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He stated that he was buzzed but not intoxicated.
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He did not know who was leading him from the bar.
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So he's describing Jane Doe, whether he knows it or not.
00:58:51.840
He did not remember being chastised for being too loud by the pool and did not remember an argument by the pool at all.
00:58:58.620
He did not remember being belligerent with anyone.
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Hegseth advised he went back to his hotel room with Jane Doe.
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He thought it was odd Jane Doe stayed in his room.
00:59:08.820
He stated Jane Doe and himself did not do much talking at the bar.
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He stated he did more talking to this other woman.
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Jane Doe might have felt she was in charge and had led Hegseth back to his room.
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Hegseth stated there was nothing in his mind that thought he was going to take Jane Doe home and stated, quote, it's not even a thought.
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He might have thought that was someone else but not Jane Doe.
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Hegseth stated he was confused by Jane Doe staying in his room.
00:59:35.540
While in his hotel room, he stated things progressed between himself and Jane Doe.
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The interaction between the two of them was consensual.
00:59:42.100
Hegseth stated there were a couple of times he made sure she was comfortable with what was going on between them.
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He stated there was, quote, always conversation and, quote, always consensual contact between the two of them.
00:59:52.240
He stated the engagement between the two of them was mutual.
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They both would stop and say, quote, we shouldn't do this.
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He advised that she asked him if he had a condom.
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If that was a problem, he said Jane Doe said, no, no, no.
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Hegseth stated he did not want to get anyone pregnant.
01:00:17.780
The sexual positions were, wow, missionary style.
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Again, this corresponds with pieces of her report.
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Stated that, I gave you this part on how it finished.
01:00:34.100
Um, after the sexual act, he stated it was very early in the morning and there was a
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She stated she would tell her husband she had fallen asleep on a couch in someone else's
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She would, she had fallen asleep on a couch in someone else's room.
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Hegseth continuously asked Jane Doe if she was okay because he did not want her to get
01:00:53.740
He told her she did not have to worry about him saying anything.
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He stated Jane Doe showed early signs of regret.
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He wanted to add to his statement stating that after he had sex with Jane Doe, he told
01:01:20.520
The seedy tale of Pete not being the best husband, but probably not being a rapist.
01:01:32.920
I can see entirely why the cops did not want to bring this charge and why the woman did
01:01:39.040
not want to participate in the, uh, pretextual phone call and why Pete's story lined up with
01:01:51.560
The husband said he was told she had fallen asleep on a friend's couch.
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And that's what she told Pete that she was going to say.
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I think, you know, what I know, I'd love to have your opinions.
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The email is Megan, M-E-G-Y-N at MeganKelley.com.
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