Deep Dive： Protecting the Integrity of Girls' and Women's Sports, with Jennifer Sey, Sage Steele, and Michele Tafoya ｜ Ep. 853
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In this special episode of The Megyn Kelly Show, host Meghan Kelly sits down with three women who have been on the show before, but have not been on it as often, to discuss the importance of standing up for the protection of women's sports and spaces.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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In today's Deep Dive special, the three ladies on this program have been on before,
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but they are here today with an important announcement in an area you know I'm passionate about,
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and I think you are too, protecting girls and women from men invading our spaces,
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It's never been more relevant as we see some of the Biden administration's Title IX changes
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Now, there are fights to stop this, and we're winning in about 21 states.
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But in all the rest, this stuff's about to happen, and your little girl is going to be
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forced to share her locker room and her sports with a little boy.
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But thanks, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, it's happening.
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Not only that, but as we watch the Olympics, we brought this to you earlier,
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boxers with XY chromosomes, reportedly, fighting women in the Olympics this week.
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How would you like, if you're an XXer, to fight an XYer in boxing?
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Joining me today, speaking of XX and XY, Jennifer Say.
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She's longtime Levi's executive who got completely screwed by Levi's because she raised totally
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normal objections to the COVID lockdowns in children.
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And now she is the founder and CEO of XXXY Athletics.
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As well as two former top sports broadcasters who have now gone independent.
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She's host of the Sage Steele Show and Michelle Tafoya, host of the Michelle Tafoya podcast.
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Ladies, what a pleasure to have you all here at once.
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First of all, Michelle, what are you doing here instead of running for office in Minnesota?
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If, if, if it weren't for that pesky husband and family, I probably would be running, but
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I, you know, I need to stay married and this isn't the time, uh, at least not right this
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That's a JD Vance told me when I interviewed him back in, uh, 18, not right now.
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So Jennifer, I short formed your experience with Levi, but they really are assholes and everything
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I mean, they were the most reasonable complaints.
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You were not a fire breather, but it wound up being a net good because you separated from
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a company that didn't appreciate you and your honesty.
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Now you have your own company at this X, X, X, Y.
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And that's the, those are some of the clothes that we see you and Michelle wearing.
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This is about trying to actually give girls who don't want to compete in these games and
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I want to point out also Sage is wearing our performance, one of our performance tops.
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So she's still being fly and X, X, X, Y as well.
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With all the respect to you, Jennifer, Sage could literally make anything look good.
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So we launched the, um, the brand four months ago, which is four months, literally, uh,
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I think our presence is sort of, uh, bigger than our, than our age, if you will.
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Uh, and what we wanted to do from the beginning, I mean, I should say we're the only athletic
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brand that's standing up for the protection of women's sports and spaces.
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You know, I looked around at Nike and Lulu and all these other brands and they claim to champion
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I mean, Nike treats women with astonishing disregard.
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I won't go into all the examples, uh, but there are many, many of them, employees, athletes,
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Uh, and so we want to put our money where our mouth is.
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When we say that, you know, we're here to stand up for women's sports and spaces.
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Uh, we have this idea, a friend of mine actually called me, uh, a friend from my COVID dissenting
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Why don't you do a scholarship fund, uh, that can encourage and inspire young women who are
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currently competing, uh, to stand up and to push back or to stand down and refuse to compete,
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which is what I wish these female boxers would do because, you know, we shouldn't have to watch
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So today on the day that this title nine rewrite is meant to go into effect, we're launching
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the XXXY athletics fund and Sage and Michelle, as well as Riley Gaines, um, and Carrie Lucas
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So we decide who gets the funds, but hopefully, you know, it is designed to take the sting out,
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When these girls speak up, because we've heard from people like Riley and from, and from Paula
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Scanlon, for instance, that when they, um, stood up, they were threatened, uh, with swimming
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I mean, Paula spoke up for a year while she was still swimming with Leah Thomas at university
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She was threatened that she would never get another job if she did this.
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And so, you know, the threats are out there and we want to make it easier.
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We want to normalize standing up for women and girls.
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And I think the difference maker is going to be when the actual athletes who are currently
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It's great that folks like me and Sage and Michelle are doing it, but change happens when
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the athletes with skin in the game right now say no more.
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Just as a reminder for the audience, uh, Jennifer is literally a national champion gymnast.
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Uh, Michelle was a storied sports reporter for many, many years at, with NBC and I think
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ABC before that and Sage at ESPN and also the long history of athletic success.
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Unlike yours truly, I follow the issue, but I am not athletic.
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I'm going to show you some videotapes and take that back, but it's fun.
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I appreciate it from afar and what you guys are doing, but let me ask you this.
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Like, how do you decide like the girl who's sitting there?
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She's back at UPenn and Leah Thomas is, you know, actually will Thomas swimming next to
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Well, I'm going to cite someone like Peyton McNabb, who I know, um, you know, as well,
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And for those that don't know, exactly volleyball player, high school volley ball player injured
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by a male athlete who spiked the ball at her face.
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She suffered a severe head and neck injury, brain blade.
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She still suffers from, you know, cognitive challenges and partial paralysis.
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And she was unable to pursue the scholarship that she deserved in softball, which was actually
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And she struggles to this day, um, to compete her classes, complete her classes.
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She cannot play sports and it's, it's a real, it's a real shame.
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You know, I, I would love, uh, to consider Peyton as one of our, as one of our first awardees.
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Um, this is a woman that deserved that scholarship and she's been so brave and courageous in speaking
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out and, you know, an award like this can really help to offset the challenge of paying for school,
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We will, the advisory council will meet quarterly, um, and we'll decide right now the fund is funded
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by portion of proceeds from all sales of XXXY myself.
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I personally put in money as have the other investors and employees.
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Um, and this panel of women who you're right, they know sports and they are brave and bold
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And we'll choose, uh, you know, the awards each, each on a quarterly basis.
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As we grow the fund and have more money, we hope to give even more awards and people can
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nominate, um, others because I'm sure there's so many young women we haven't even heard about,
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you know, we've heard about the West Virginia shop putters and we've heard about Peyton,
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but I think there's probably so many more out there who are challenging that we just haven't
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So we want to give real folks the chance to nominate as well.
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How do, how do people listening to this right now help, help out and donate if they want to?
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Well, you can go to our website launched just today, xx-xyathletics.org.
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You can also get there from our commercial site, which is.com.
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And there'll be a form to fill in, uh, to nominate deserving young women.
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Oh, regular folks can also give, but we want it to be business-led.
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We want to, you know, the best way to give is to, you know, support the brand and buy
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stuff because a portion of proceeds from every purchase will go to the fund.
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So you can all, but you can also give to the fund as a, as a regular person.
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I got to get more of this gear and put it on my children.
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I'll tell you what, after we went to the RNC, they were handing out those, um, cowboy
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hats that lit up and they read MAGA American on them.
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And my little 10 year old now 11 wore his print to his little pickleball tournament.
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So what I got to get is like the kids in the MAGA American hat with the, uh, team women
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And I'm just going to gear them up so we can send our, the right messaging about what we
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Can we talk about what's happening with title nine?
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This is the day that monstrosity gets unleashed on not just college age women, but little girls
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We've won this by this battle at lower courts since Joe Biden and Kamala Harris shoved it
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down our throats through the title nine revisions in April because lawyers brought lawsuits in
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We have to protect girls and women, but only 21, you know, more than half of the States did
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And the little girls in those States are about to have to share their locker rooms and their
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So where, what do you make of how this battle is unfolding?
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Uh, first of all, um, I think I continued to get more disgusted and I didn't think that
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I do want to thank you, Megan, for being one of the few who is out there and continuing
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And I am in awe of Jennifer and her strength and every aspect of her professional and personal
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I've been, I've looked up to Michelle for years because of how she's done her job.
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And now all of them to have the courage, including you, the courage to continue to push on this.
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It's so interesting because I was on Thursday, I was in West Palm beach and Donald Trump was
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speaking there as a turning point USA faith summit.
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And that's one of the things he said during his speech was that there, this will not be allowed.
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I will make sure that girls don't have to compete against boys.
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And the roar in the crowd was deafening for many topics, but especially that one.
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Um, I guess that gives me hope and a reminder to everybody, the cliche that elections have
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Um, I will tell you this also being at that summit, being in airports and hotels constantly
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And I know everybody on this panel is, that's the one thing that people come up to me and
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And they say, please, please don't stop because I'm concerned for my niece.
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I told you this Megan before my girls, their competitive days are long over.
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It's about you and your kids and everybody else.
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So I can just say from being out that this is such an important topic for millions and
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Of course, what we talked about with the volleyball player of North Carolina, we're seeing a lot
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of questions right now across the pond and Paris and boxing, et cetera.
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And I just know that if we get quiet now, we too will, and I don't mean this, I guess
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I could mean this literally and figuratively, but blood on our hands from the potential of
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what has happened, of course, in the past and what could continue to happen.
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I feel like I have no choice, but to continue to speak up.
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And especially Michelle, you and I have done so much work on this through the years with
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women and pushing women in sports and more highlights.
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And let's focus on the WNBA, let's focus on women and fantasy football and those numbers
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And the silence in our industry is still deafening to me and maddening.
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And Megan, you pointed out the boxing and the Olympics years ago when this was a very, very
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I remember people saying, this is not a big deal.
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It is now in the Olympic Games in one of the most devastating, devastatingly violent sports,
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I talked to a skateboarder yesterday who I interviewed on my podcast.
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They are losing their positions on the podiums.
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They're losing their spirit and their faith in humanity that, wait a minute, I thought
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we had girls divisions, women's divisions for a reason.
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My dad said to me, you are going to have opportunities my sisters never had.
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And I believe that people like Sage and I were able to carve out careers in sports.
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And that made us more, I guess, legitimate as commentators.
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And I just keep waking up every day and going, what the hell are we doing?
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Well, you think about the Olympics underway right now.
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And as I mentioned, Jennifer, you were a world-class athlete and gymnast and gymnastics.
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I mean, where are you to stand up to stop boys who would crush these girls in nine out
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But, you know, in most of these events to speak up for their safety and their fairness.
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I used to think gymnastics, women's gymnastics was safe from this.
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But I've found a little rabbit hole on Instagram where there's men, males doing women's gymnastics
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Although they just made, they're the only governing body that actually made the correct rule,
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which is women's sports needs to be for bilateral females only.
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Um, so I actually think because of the way the sport has changed gymnastics and it's so
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much about power and strength, um, and the extreme difficulty, and it's much less about
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I actually think what men would crush in women's gymnastics too, unfortunately.
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Um, and they have their own gymnastics, do your own gymnastics and leave us alone.
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It's, it's, it's, it's so astonishingly retrograde Megan that, you know, these women are being
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told these girls and women are being told to sit down and shut up and, you know, take
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the punch like a man or a woman and, you know, don't complain because to be nice, you need
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I actually think it's probably higher than that.
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I think people are even afraid to say they're on our side on this issue when they are anonymous
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I mean, the voicemails I get, how people get my number.
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And for all the standing up I've done in my life, this is for sure.
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COVID was pretty bad, but this is really, really bad in terms of the dragging you get.
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But I will tell you this every time I wear this t-shirt to the soccer game on the weekend
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and I have a seven-year-old daughter, every person to the person leans in and they say,
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Can I point out real quick also what's happened with the Olympics and where we are now?
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Because we say, okay, I believe, and actually numbers show, 70% to 80% of Americans,
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I mean, this isn't even really divided along political lines, agree with us and what we're
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And girls, women should not have to compete against boys or men, period.
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At the Olympics, there has been some progress since the last Olympics in Tokyo.
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And so now, and Jennifer, you'll get the terminology perfect for me, but 12 years old,
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is that the line where then based on hormone therapy, or if you've begun to transition before
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12, anything after 12, it's a no, but they're leaving it up to the state, to the space, to
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I'm trying to remember which sport it is, that one has a female category and one has an
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What I wish is that the IOC would have the balls to just make that the rule for all sports,
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period, and not leave it up to the separate sports, what we're seeing right now in boxing.
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So again, I want to emphasize that Jennifer's, you know, idea behind this whole thing, this
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is not about discriminating against transgender people, because I absolutely believe there
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Sports is the one unifier we have on this planet, where for a couple of hours on a football
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Sunday, we all come together and race and religion and politics and socioeconomic status
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You have a women category and you have an open category and you're done with it and women
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But can I, can I just say, I think you're, you're right.
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And you're definitely a nicer person than I am, but I think it is also true that there
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is an unhealthy proportion of men posing as women who want access to little girls and women's
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There's a sick portion that wants to just be a predator and sexually assault them.
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But there's, I mean, within the trans community, there's a disturbing number who are autogonophiles
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who they are dressing like women because it's a sexual fetish for them.
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We believe based on his social media postings, that's what Leah Thomas is.
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And I don't want my daughter changing next to that person.
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I don't want her exposed to that person while he's getting off because he's wearing a woman's
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But like, there really is a sick level of perversion that we need to be on guard for.
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And I'm, this is a weird turn, but I do, I've been meaning to get to this story.
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We just saw something in connection with the biggest show on earth.
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I mean, we all, like if we have kids, you've seen Mr. Beast.
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It's like, you know, he's got 300 million followers and it's not Mr. Beast himself, but
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his right hand man, this guy, Chris, who he's friends with, you know, Mr. Beast, I think
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is 26 or 27 years old, but they, they were knuckleheads who started putting a program on
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And then this guy, Chris transitioned to female, which is not possible.
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And, uh, started going by Ava said he was a woman.
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And a lot of us spoke out and said, I don't want this on my child's show.
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The reason Mr. Beast got so famous because it appeals to children and it's kind of fun.
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Mr. Beast just was forced to separate from Chris slash Ava because according to, uh,
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He's become aware of serious allegations of Ava Tyson's behavior online.
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He's Mr. Beast disgusted opposed to such unacceptable acts.
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He's hiring an independent third third party to conduct a thorough investigation to ensure
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that he has all the facts that said, I've seen enough online and taken immediate action
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to remove him, Ava from the company, my channel, and any association.
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I don't condone or support any of the inappropriate actions.
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And he's accused this Chris Tyson, though, denies it, of engaging in online grooming of
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It's just it's there are all sorts of reasons, Michelle, why we don't want men having access
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They're trying to normalize this to Megan by by calling normal people like us out for
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being transphobes or homophobes and scaring us into submission and scaring us by calling
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It's like this term maps, minor attracted persons.
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Suddenly, if you're a pedophile, you're just a map.
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Hey, there's room for minor attracted persons at the table.
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So this is what this is getting us, this this normalization that is being foisted on us,
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this idea that you're the problem if you if you think within these pearl clutching lanes
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of that, you know, that you don't want a trans person changing in the locker room with your
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We're seeing, you know, memory holding of certain politicians records so that we kind
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You don't want them around your children, period.
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And anybody who makes that argument would be a non parent.
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Would you say, OK, well, you want your child to hang hang out with a pedophile with it with
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You know, all of this brings me to the political point.
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I'll give this one to you, Sage, which is I've been going insane.
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I have been pulling out my fake hair over the nonsense.
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Vance saying and if you look at the context of his remarks and I have many times, he's
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It was a defensive comment on people who are shaming people for having children saying if
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they suck, they're annoying, they're bad for the environment.
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And his response to that, if you go back and look at how it unfolded, was to say, no, it's
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And we don't want to be lectured to by childless cat ladies.
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They're obsessing over this on the Democrat ticket and trying to make him look like a
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That is the party that is chopping off the breasts of 14 year olds that is in favor of
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That wants more Peyton McNabb's to get injured by volleyball players who are male that wants
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more female boxers to get punched in the face by men.
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I can't believe that we're allowing this narrative to dominate the airwaves now for eight, nine
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Because they're grasping at straws right now, knowing, you know, ever since basically the
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debate on June 27th and then the attempted assassination of Donald Trump and everybody's
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paying attention to the numbers, what can we find that will get the people who just
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focus on low hanging fruit to say, look at this is how anti-woman, anti-everything J.D.
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The problem is that, of course, for years and years now, they've got the mainstream media
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behind them and then a bunch of lazy people throughout this country who aren't willing
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And what you just explained for the umpteenth time about J.D.
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Vance's comments and the why behind them, the entire conversation, that matters.
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One thing I'll say, and I actually spoke about this with Laura Trump in my interview with
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her on my show, is the Democrats have been so much better than Republicans for decades
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now with messaging, with how they run their campaign.
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And then when you've got the power of the mainstream media behind you, it's such an uphill
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I go back to 2008 and Barack Obama and hoping to change and it was pretty.
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And he got the younger generation to believe based on what?
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That's why I loved your tweet when you came out and said, oh, OK, you're going to focus
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on this out of context comment and ignore the fact that they're allowing men to look
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at little girls in locker rooms and to chop off body parts and look what Gavin Newsom
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We have to be on the offensive and continue to push this information out with you.
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But, you know, as well as I do, that if you were launching a scholarship that would help
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trans kids find a way into girls athletics over those evil Republicans bands, you'd be featured
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And Megan, I mean, we've been the brand, you know, before launching the fund in the last
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two months, we've been banned overtly or shadow banned aggressively from every social media
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We were kicked off TikTok for an ad that encourages girls and women to stand up for themselves.
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That's bigotry, that's hate speech in today's effed up world.
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I mean, I think I'm the only person right now on this panel that actually spent more
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But, you know, for me, it was what it was COVID that just blew the doors off.
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And then I just started to question everything.
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I was like, they're lying about everything when it came to COVID.
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And that's exactly, you know, what we've learned to be the case.
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But you can't sort of come to that realization and then not question everything.
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And of course, we saw during COVID, the media was doing the bidding of public health, which
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is democratic in nature, or in terms of its alignment with the party and of the Democratic
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It was just they were printing Democratic Party press, you know, PR talking points as
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And so it was at that point that I started to question everything.
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It just felt like such a trespass of their stated values.
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And, you know, now we have this issue, which is ridiculous.
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And I think it lights people up the way that it does.
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You know, Sage mentioned the roaring crowds at the turning point conference around this
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issue when Trump spoke about it, because it's such a fundamental violation of what we know
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I can't really think of another issue that is so obvious.
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We're being told not to believe that men and women are different.
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And all that stuff you thought and you knew since the beginning of time, that's hogwash.
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You know, the real science says you are the sex you say you are.
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And so I think that's why it's so much bigger than this issue.
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I mean, this issue I really care about, but it really is for me about the fight for truth.
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I'm going to drop it into this episode right here for free.
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If you think girls and women's equality matter, stand up.
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If girls and women's sports matter, and you want your daughters to have the same opportunity
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If you know that it isn't fair or safe to allow males to compete in girls' sports, because
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Don't let others tell you you just need to be quiet.
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We deserve our own sports, privacy, fairness, safety.
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And if you agree with that, stand up and stand with us.
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I was just going to say, my 15-year-old daughter had a doctor's appointment the other day.
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So they ask you to pre-register online, you know, fill out the forms.
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And you get to a big form about gender identity.
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There was sex assigned at birth, you know, ask for pronouns.
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And the fact that this is now, all of the pronouns and the gender ideology is permeating
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And like you said, you feel like you've just, Megan, I'm so glad to know you're tearing your
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It's as though we're living in some upside down universe.
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And I just want to, I just want to back up right again.
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And we have, we have Elon Musk on our side now too, who's out there standing up and preaching.
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And so I don't know where we'd be without him and who knew we'd ever say that.
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So I think we just have to realize they're there and we just have to keep helping women
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And I will say, Michelle, we brought our 14 year old, 13 year old to their, for their
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And sure enough, they wanted to speak with them privately without mom and dad.
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And Doug and I said, no, no, you will not speak with our children without us.
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They're not secrets between our kids and adults, period.
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And listen, everybody, it's xx-xyathletics.org.
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Go there, help out just to give a middle finger to the man.
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And by that, I mean, Meta, Facebook, everybody who's censoring Jen and her company.